* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. THIS IS FOUR O'CLOCK. [A. Call to Order] [00:00:02] I'M GOING TO CALL THE JANUARY 12TH, 2021 WORK SESSION TO ORDER. I KNOW WE DON'T NORMALLY SAY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND HAVE MOMENT OF SILENCE, BUT I THINK WITH EVERYTHING GOING ON IN THE NATION TODAY, WE NEED ALL THE PRAYER WE CAN GET. SO IF WE COULD HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE, THANK YOU. AND TO SAY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THE FIRST THING [B. Discussion – Virginia Department of Transportation Primary and Secondary Six Year Plans – Ed Carter] ON OUR AGENDA IS MR. CARTER WITH YOUR V DOT SECONDARY SECURE PLAN. YES, SIR. THE LIGHTS ON THEN I'M RIGHT HERE. CAN YOU HEAR ME GOOD NOW, DWAYNE, WE JUST HAVE A SOFT VOICE THERE. NOPE. IT'S IT'S DOWN. PULL THE MIC UP A LITTLE. THERE YOU GO. TRY THAT BETTER, DWAYNE. YES. DR. CARTER. THANK YOU. MADAM CHAIR, WOMAN. I APPRECIATE THE BOARD GIVING ME THIS TIME. UH, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT MY PURPOSE IS HERE TODAY. UH, AND MAYBE SINCE, UH, ALL OF YOU, EXCEPT ARCHIE ARE NEW. MAYBE TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE HISTORY OF HOW WE USED TO DO THINGS PRE COVID AND THEN WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW. AND THEN TALK ABOUT WHAT OUR PLAN IS MOVING FORWARD FOR THIS YEAR. I DO NOT HAVE ANY SLIDES OR ANY FORMAL PRESENTATION BECAUSE IT IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING. AND, UM, WE REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BUDGET'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE QUITE YET, BUT I WANT TO GIVE YOU ALL SOME FOOD FOR THOUGHT. UH, WE WILL BE COMING BACK IN THE SPRING. OKAY. UH, WE'RE TOLD THAT OUR, OUR CENTRAL OFFICE IS PLANNING TO GO BACK INTO A NORMAL CYCLE WHERE WE WOULD DO PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS, OF COURSE WILL BE VIRTUAL. UH, I'LL PROBABLY BE HERE IN PERSON, BUT THROUGH THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS, UH, WE WILL BE PRESENTING WHAT FUNDS ARE FORECASTED AND WHAT'S AVAILABLE FOR BOARD TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THEIR PRIORITIES ARE IN TERMS OF SPENDING THOSE FUNDS. SO THAT'S MY PURPOSE HERE TODAY IS TO, AND TO TRY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS BECAUSE I KNOW SOME OF YOU ARE, WELL, THE MAJORITY OF YOU ARE NEW. I KNOW ARCHIE KNOWS WHAT THE GAME PLAN HAS BEEN, BUT, BUT THE REST OF YOU MAY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROCESS. AND QUITE FRANKLY, THE PROCESS SAMES DRASTICALLY, UH, WITH THE ADVENT OF THE COVID RESTRICTIONS. SO HISTORICALLY, UH, EVERY SPRING IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE CODE, WE HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE COUNTY TO DISCUSS, UH, OR TO PRESENT THE FUNDS THAT ARE, HAVE BEEN ALLOTTED TO THE COUNTY BY THE STATE. AND TO SEE IF THE FUNDS THAT ARE BEING SPENT ON THE PROJECTS THAT ARE BEING SHOWN OR WHAT THE COUNTY WANTED IN TERMS OF THEIR, UH, PRIORITIES. AND OF COURSE WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, WHICH HELPS US, UH, ESTABLISH THOSE PRIORITIES. AND IN SOME COUNTIES, UM, THE, UH, THE BOARD KIND OF MADE THAT DECISION ON A YEAR TO YEAR BASIS. AND I'M HOPING TO, TO MAKE A SALES PITCH TODAY WHERE YOU ALL GO OUT A LITTLE BIT FARTHER WITH THAT INSTEAD OF MAKING THAT DECISION AT, AT BUDGET TIME EVERY YEAR, UH, OF COURSE, LAST YEAR WITH COVID, WE HAD NO PUBLIC HEARINGS AND THE, UH, GENERAL ASSEMBLY AND THE ATTORNEYS GOT TOGETHER AND SAID THEY WOULD MEET STATE REQUIREMENT OF THE CODE. SINCE WE VOTED ON A PLAN IN MAY OF 2019 TO JUST CONTINUE 20 AND 2021, [00:05:02] ALONG THAT SAME PLAN, WE W WE WOULD HAVE, UH, SATISFIED THE CODE REQUIREMENTS. AND SINCE OUR REVENUE PROJECTIONS WERE DRASTICALLY AFFECTED ON A LITERALLY A DAY BY DAY BASIS WITH COVID OVER THE PAST SUMMER AND EVERYTHING, NOBODY REALLY KNEW WHAT TO EXPECT IN TERMS OF REVENUES COMING IN AND HOW THE PLAN WAS GOING TO BE AFFECTED ANYTHING BEYOND 2021. AT THE BEGINNING OF LAST YEAR, BEFORE COVID BECAME A, UH, AN ISSUE, OUR REVENUES WERE RUNNING ABOVE FORECAST, WHICH IS A GOOD THING BECAUSE WHEN COVID KICKED IN AND THE REVENUE STARTED TO FALL, AND THAT PROJECTION STARTED TO FALL, WE HAD AMPLE CASH IN THE BANK, B.DATA AS A WHOLE TO CONTINUE ITS PLAYING PROGRAM THROUGH 2021. UH, SO WE, WE WERE ABLE TO CONTINUE WITH ALL THE WORK THAT WE HAD PLANNED FROM JUNE THE FIRST, I MEAN, SORRY FROM JULY THE FIRST, LAST YEAR, LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT. I GET THIS CONFUSED, EXCUSE ME, JUST TO MINT FROM JULY THE FIRST OF 2019 THROUGH JUNE, THE 30TH OF 2020, THERE WERE FUNDS TO COMPLETE THAT WORK. ALSO, THE FUNDS WERE THERE TO COMPLETE THE WORK FROM JUNE, JULY, THE FIRST OF 2020 THROUGH JUNE 20TH OF 2021. SO THOSE THINGS ARE, ARE INTACT AND SOLID IN TERMS OF HAVING THE FUNDS AND THE PROJECTS. AND AS YOU KNOW, WE GOT QUITE A BIT OF RURAL RUSTIC WORK DONE WITH A MAJORITY OF THOSE FUNDS, UH, THIS PAST SUMMER. NOW OUR CENTRAL OFFICE PEOPLE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF NOW OF REDOING THE FORECASTED REVENUES FOR THE STATE. AND THEIR PLAN IS TO TAKE THAT FORECAST HABIT COMPLETED SOMETIME IN FEBRUARY AND LOADED INTO OUR SYSTEM SO THAT WE CAN GO BACK TO A STORE. I CALL IT SEMI NORMAL, UH, CALENDAR AND PRESENT A PUBLIC HEARING TO THE COUNTIES ON THE SECONDARY PLAN. AND THE APRIL MAY TIMEFRAME. NOW, I DON'T REALLY, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THAT BUDGET FORECAST IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE. THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE, BUT, UH, BASED ON PAST DUE THIS PAST YEAR, WE WEREN'T, WE DIDN'T GO AS DEEP IN THE HOLE AS WE THOUGHT WE WOULD. AND WE DIDN'T MAKE WHAT WE THOUGHT WE WOULD. SO WE WERE SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN. SO BASED ON THAT, I KIND OF ANTICIPATE WE'RE GOING TO BE SOMEWHERE IN THAT TIME AND THAT LINE FOR THE UPCOMING YEARS. OKAY. HISTORICALLY WHEN A SIX YEAR PLAN IS PRESENTED, OKAY, YOU CAN GENERALLY COUNT ON THE FIRST TWO YEARS BEING FAIRLY SOLID, MEANING THAT PRETTY GOOD CHANCE. THOSE FUNDS ARE GOING TO BE THERE WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT REVENUES FIVE AND SIX YEARS OUT. OKAY. YOU'VE GOT THE SAME CRYSTAL BALL ANYBODY ELSE HAS. OKAY. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S UPDATED EVERY YEAR, BECAUSE AS WE GET CLOSER, IT BECOMES FIRMER. I JUST LET KNOW, LET'S SAY PANHANDLE ROAD WAS SCHEDULED FOR 20, 25. GET DONE. OKAY. IF THE REVENUES BASED ON THAT CURRENT YEAR'S PROJECTION, IF THE PLAN IS PRESENTED IN HOLD TRUE, THEN IT WILL GET DONE IN 2025. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE DATE, I'M JUST USING THE EXAMPLE. IF THOSE REVENUES FALL DOWN FROM WHAT WAS PROJECTED AT CURRENT YEAR, THEN CHANCES ARE THAT ROAD'S GOING TO MOVE OUT TO 26 OR 27. THAT'S HOW THE PROCESS WORKS. IT'S KIND OF LIKE A BIG CONVEYOR BELT, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS WE CAN LOAD MONIES ON ONE END OF IT, WE CAN TAKE AND SPEND THE MONEY ON THE OTHER HAND, THE SMALLER, THE PILE, LOAD IT IN. OKAY. THE SMALLER AMOUNT WE'RE ABLE TO SPEND ON THE OTHER END. AND WE HAVE TO PUSH PROJECTS OUT. MR. INTERRUPT ME AT ANY TIME. SO THE INCREASE IN GASOLINE TAX THAT STARTED ON JULY OF THIS YEAR, HOW WILL THAT IMPACT THAT [00:10:01] IT HELPS INCREASE THE REVENUES. OKAY. OKAY. BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER FACTORS THAT GO IN WITH IT. FOR ONE THING, THE TELEWORKING FOR PEOPLE HAS INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY. NOBODY'S DRIVING TO WORK ANYMORE. EVERYBODY'S WORKING FROM HOME NATURALLY. WE CONSUME LESS GAS. SO IF WE, IF WE INCREASE THE TAX, CHANCES ARE, WE'RE GOING TO GET LESS REVENUE OR IT'LL BE NEUTRAL AT BEST BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T GOING ANYWHERE. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T GO OUT TO THE RESTAURANTS BECAUSE THE RESTAURANTS ARE CLOSED, YOU KNOW, AND IN A LOT OF BUSINESSES, YOU, UH, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE DOING HOME DELIVERIES. NOW EVERYBODY'S BUYING EVERYTHING. I BET. I BET THE MAJORITY, UH, AND I DON'T HAVE A FACTS TO BACK THIS UP OF CHRISTMAS SHOPPING WAS DONE ONLINE AND, AND DELIVERED TO THEIR HOUSES AS OPPOSED TO GOING IN STORES AND BUYING IT. SO ALL OF THAT IMPACTS THE AMOUNT OF TRAVEL ON THE ROADS. OUR TRIBALS WERE DOWN OVER 20%, THE PEAK OF, UH, ON OUR ROADWAY COUNTS DURING THE PEAK OF COVID THIS YEAR. SO THAT IMPACTS THE 20% LESS GAS BEING USED. NOW THAT'S PICKING BACK UP NOW, BUT TO WHAT TIME IT GETS BACK TO FOUR, IF IT EVER GOES BACK TO FULL IS ANYBODY'S GUESS HOW DID THEY, BY SAYING THAT THAT AFFECTS THE, YOU KNOW, UH, THE, THE NUMBER WITH THAT BEING LOWER. HOW DOES THAT AFFECT OUR AREA? WHEN I KNOW YOU DID TRAFFIC COUNTS, UM, AND THEY LOOK AT THAT AND I HAD ASKED LAST SPRING, YOU KNOW, HOW'S THAT GOING TO WORK? THEY DID THIS DURING COVID AND THEY DIDN'T COME BACK. ONCE THEY STARTED OPENING THINGS BACK UP. ARE THEY GOING TO TAKE THAT IN CONSIDERATION WHEN THEY ALLOT THE MONEY FOR THIS, OR HOW'S IT GOING WORK? UH, AND THERE USED TO BE SOMETHING CALLED SECONDARY ROAD FORMULA BACK CODE. OKAY. AND THAT SECONDARY ROAD FORMULA, ALL THE MONIES THAT WENT INTO SECONDARY ROAD SYSTEMS WERE ALLOTTED THROUGH A REALLY COMPLEX FORMULA, WHICH I, I'M NOT SMART ENOUGH TO EXPLAIN, BUT ESSENTIALLY IT WAS DOLED OUT BY COUNTY POPULATION. OKAY. AND THE AMOUNT OF ROAD MILES THAT THEY HAD, AND ALL OF THAT WENT INTO, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME BIAS, A LOT SMARTER THAN ME. AND THEY SAID, OKAY, WARREN COUNTY BASED, YOU'RE ALLOTTED X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS, FREDERICK COUNTY YOU'RE ALLOTTED X AMOUNT AND SO FORTH. LIKE THE LEGISLATION DID AWAY WITH THAT SECONDARY FORMULA. IT ENDED IN 2020. AND NOW ALL OF THOSE MONIES GO INTO SOMETHING CALLED THE DISTRICT GRANT PROGRAM. SO THE MONIES THAT, THAT GOES IN THE DISTRICT GRANT PROGRAM, OR FOR THE 11 COUNTIES THAT ARE IN THE STANTON DISTRICT AND WHAT THEY'RE MOVING TOWARDS AND, UH, IS A SMART SCALE TYPE COMPETITION FOR THE SECONDARY ROADS. THE COUNTIES ASKED FOR DOLLARS. OKAY. AND THEY'RE COMPETING AGAINST OTHER COUNTIES THAT ARE ASKING FOR THAT DOLLARS IN THE DISTRICT, AS OPPOSED TO SMART SCALE COMPETES IN THE ENTIRE STATE. BUT THE DISTRICT GRANT PROGRAM ONLY COMPETES WITH THE 11 COUNTIES IN THE DISTRICT SO FAR. UH, I HAVE NOT SEEN WHERE THE, UH, THE MONIES HAVE, UH, PRE COVID SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED WITH THAT IN MIND. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REVENUE PROJECTIONS THAT THEY'RE GOING, THE CALCULATIONS THEY'RE GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW, WHAT IT WILL END UP LOOKING LIKE AT THE END OF FEBRUARY, MY GUESS IS IT WILL BE FAIRLY STABLE IF WE'RE PUT INTO IT. WELL, THAT'S TRUE. UH, BUT THE COMPETITION IS, IS PROJECT BASED. IT IS NOT COUNTY BASED IN OTHER WORDS. YEAH. WELL, YEAH, THAT, THAT'S TRUE, BUT IT'S PRETTY SIZABLE POT, UH, FOR THE DISTRICT THAT GOES INTO THE DISTRICT GRANT. OKAY. AND, UH, I DON'T THE, WE AREN'T QUITE YET AT THE POINT WHERE YOU ARE, WE'RE NOT AT THE SMART SCALE POINT FOR THE DISTRICT GRANT YET. [00:15:01] OKAY. WHERE WE'RE MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION, YOUR CHANCES OF GETTING, IF YOU HAVE A ROADWAY OUT HERE THAT HAS THREE, 400 CARS ON IT. OKAY. DID NEEDS ATTENTION. OKAY. IT'S THE SAME CHANCE OF GETTING MONEY AS FREDERICK COUNTY, WHO HAS A ROADWAY OUT HERE WITH THREE OR 400 CARS. THEY DON'T HAVE ANY ADVANTAGE OVER YOU AT THIS CURRENT TIME. I DON'T KNOW, TWO, THREE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. DO YOU EVALUATE THE ROADS BEFORE YOU MAKE THAT DECISION? YES. AND THAT IS WHY THAT IS WHY I'M ENCOURAGING WARREN COUNTY TO LOOK HARD AT ADAPTING, A RANKING SYSTEM FOR THEIR SECONDARY ROADS. FREDERICK COUNTY HAS ONE SHANNON DORA COUNTY ADOPTED ONE IN 2019. OKAY. AND HART COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH SECONDARY ROAD, UH, TO THAT THEY ONLY HAVE 23 MILES OF ON PAPER. YEAH. WELL, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU CHARGE SOME AREA OF YOUR STAFF. OKAY. TO, TO LOOK AT WHAT'S OUT THERE. I WOULDN'T REINVENT THE WHEEL. OKAY. AND THEN I WOULD HAVE THEM AND WE'LL BE GLAD TO WORK WITH THEM. OKAY. OH, OKAY. UM, AND WE'LL WORK WITH THEM AND GIVE THEM ALL OF THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE FROM BOTH OF THOSE COUNTIES. UM, FREDERICK COUNTY SCORING SYSTEM IS DIFFERENT IN THAT IT, UH, IT LOOKS AT MORE FACTORS THAN WHAT SHANNON DOOR COUNTY LOOKS AT. AND THEREFORE IT IS WHEN YOU UPDATE IT, IT REQUIRES MORE EFFORT FOR THE UPDATE. OKAY. SHANNON, DORA COUNTIES LOOKS AT, UH, WIDE, I THINK, OR, OR THE, UH, THE CENTRAL ITEMS, THE DICTATE, THE CONDITION OF THE ROAD. AND THEY UPDATE THEIRS EVERY TWO YEARS. AND THIS YEAR IS COMING UP FOR AN UPDATE. NOW, THE, UH, THE REASON I SAY STAFF, THEIR STAFF WORKED WITH US FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS TO DEVELOP THEIRS. AND WE FURNISHED ALL OF THE INITIAL DATA TO ENTER INTO THEIRS. AND, UH, AND WE WOULD DO THE SAME THING FOR WARREN COUNTY. WE WOULD FURNISH THE DATA AND THERE ARE A LOT OF SYSTEMS OUT THERE WHERE THE DATA CAN BE GATHERED. YOU JUST NEED SOMEONE TO, THAT'S DEDICATED TO GETTING IT DONE. UH, AND WHAT THIS DOES IS IT DOES TWO THINGS. NUMBER ONE, WE DON'T HAVE FUNDS ENOUGH. YOU KNOW, IT COST US $300,000 TO DO A MILE OF UNPAVED ROAD. AND IF WE TOOK ALL THE UNPAVED ROAD THAT WE HAVE IN THE, UH, EDINBURG RESIDENCY, OKAY. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OVER $50 MILLION. WELL, IT'S JUST NOT THERE. HE IS GOING TO BE THERE. SO THE THING TO DO IS TO SAY, OKAY, IF I'M GOING TO GET $1, WHERE DO I SPEND THAT DOLLAR WHERE I CAN HELP THE MOST IS REALLY WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. I'M SORRY. WE HAVE DONE THAT IN THE PAST AS FAR AS LOOKING AT MOST. UM, WE, WE, YEAH, WE HAVE DONE IT THROUGH CONVERSATION. THIS, THE PRIORITIZATION PROCESS I'M TALKING ABOUT IS IN THE MIRROR. NO, WHAT I'M SAYING, WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST. I KNOW, YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS BACK. AND IT WAS JUST , IT WAS MAINLY LIKE, TRY TO SPREAD THAT MONEY AROUND IN THE DISTANT DIFFERENT DISTRICTS, UM, FOR WHATEVER REASON, BUT AT LEAST IN THE LAST 10 OR 15 YEARS OR BETTER, WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS LOOK AT THE ROAD, COUNTS TRIPS OR WHATEVER. AND THOSE WERE MORE, UH, MOVED UP ON THE LIST, JUST LIKE OREGON HOLLER ROAD, UM, WHICH WE FINISHED. UM, AND THERE, AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, TRYING TO RANK THEM THERE IT'S A LITTLE BIT, UH, LESS THAN WHAT INTENSE WITH WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT THAT'S A STARTING POINT. [00:20:01] LET'S GET, I HATE TO SAY THAT, GET THE MOST BANG FOR THE BUCK. I MEAN, OR YOU CAN PUT A $300,000 INTO A ROAD THAT HAS 800 TRIPS A DAY OR 300,000 AND THE ROAD HAS GOT 40 TRIPS A DAY. RIGHT. THAT'S THE FIRST THING TO DO, I THINK, TO LOOK AT, AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK WE'VE DONE IN, LIKE I SAID, IN THE PAST 15, 18 YEARS OR WHATEVER, THAT'S THE FIRST CRITERIA AND THEN MADE THE MOST SENSE. WELL, IT'S NOT ONLY TRIPS. UH, I'LL TELL YOU SOME OF THE OTHER CRITERIA THAT WAS LOOKED AT, UH, YOU CAN HAVE A ROADWAY THAT, AND FREDERICK COUNTY HAS SOME OF THESE, I DON'T BELIEVE WARREN COUNTY HAS IT, BUT FURTHER COUNTY HAS SOME WHERE THEY BOUGHT IN WEST VIRGINIA. THEY HAVE ROADS WITH 10 HOUSES ON IT THAT HAVE 300 TRIPS A DAY. OKAY. 290 OF THEM ARE FROM WEST VIRGINIA. SO DO YOU SPEND THE MONEY ON THAT ONE TO SERVICE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE TRAVELING ON WET FROM WEST VIRGINIA? OR DO YOU SPEND IT ON A ROAD WITH MAYBE A HUNDRED TRIPS TODAY, BUT THEY'RE ALL WITHIN, THEY'RE ALL COUNTY FOLKS WHEN YOU CAN'T BILL WEST VIRGINIA. HUH? CAN'T BILL. I WISH THAT'S A GOOD THOUGHT, BUT IT'S NOT PRACTICAL. UH, WHAT I JUST DID, I'LL GIVE YOU SOME OF THE CRITERIA. I DON'T WANT TO TAKE UP THE WHOLE MEETING ON THIS, THAT I'D JUST PLANNING FOOD FOR THOUGHT. AND IF THE BOARD WANTS TO MOVE THIS TO EIGHT, JUST LET ME KNOW. AND, AND, YOU KNOW, WE'LL ASSIST IN ANY WAY, BUT THEY LOOK AT THE COUNTS. OBVIOUSLY THAT'S ON THE ROAD. THEY LOOK AT THE GEOMETRICS OF THE ROAD. OKAY. THEY LOOK AT THE DRAINAGE ISSUES THAT ARE ON THE ROAD. ALL OF THAT EQUATES TO HOW MUCH MAINTENANCE WE SPEND ON THE ROAD. WE LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS THAT ARE ON THE ROAD. AND THIS, THIS GOES TO THE THING ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL THE RESIDENTS USING THE ROAD, OR IS IT A CUT-THROUGH FOR SOMEBODY? UH, THEY LOOK AT WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S AN ACCIDENT HISTORY ON THE ROAD. THEY LOOK AT WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE SCHOOL BUSES THAT USE THE ROAD WITH FREQUENCY, UM, AND THEY ASSIGN A VALUE TO EACH ONE OF THOSE. AND THEN THEY ADD THOSE VALUES UP AND, AND ROAD A MAY SCORE, UH, UH, DEPENDING ON WHAT NUMERICAL VALUE YOU PUT ON, IT MAY SCORE 30, OR IT MAY SCORE 70 ROAD, B MAY ONLY SCHOOL, TWO OR THREE, AND THAT'S AN EXTREME, BUT IT GIVES YOU AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. AND THE THING THAT THAT DOES FOR YOU, IT HELPS YOU SPEND YOUR DOLLARS. WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO GET THE BIGGEST BUYING AND SERVE THE MOST OF YOUR CITIZENRY? IT ALSO TAKES ANY, IT TAKES THE POLITICS OUT OF IT BECAUSE ONCE THE BOARD PASSES THAT, UH, OR IF THE BOARD DECIDES TO PASS THAT METHODOLOGY AND MOVE THAT WAY, THEN JOHN DOE CAN'T COME TO MR. MAYBE, OR, UH, HIS COLOR ARCHIE, OR, OR YOU AND YOUR CITIZEN. CAN'T COME SAY, I WANT YOU TO GET MY ROAD PAVED. YOU CAN SAY YOUR ROAD FALLS IN THIS CATEGORY, AND THIS IS WHAT HIS SCHEDULE. AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE STICKING BY. FREDERICK COUNTY HAS, UH, UH, WHEN THIS THING FIRST CAME UP IN FREDERICK COUNTY, IT'S BEEN IN PLACE FOR 10, 15 YEARS THERE. NOW THEY, UH, A LOT OF PEOPLE FALL IN IT. AND NOW EVERY YEAR THEY'RE BLESSED THAT THEY HAVE IT BECAUSE THEY HAVE SOMETHING THAT S THE FAIRNESS FOR EVERYBODY ACROSS THE COUNTY. AND, AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO TAKE THE BLUNT AS COUNTY OFFICIALS OF WHY THIS ROAD'S GETTING DONE. AND THIS ONE ISN'T BECAUSE I HAVE, THERE'S A METHODOLOGY THAT HAS DATA AND FACTS BEHIND WHY THIS ROAD SHOULD HAVE THE DOLLAR SPIN ON IT BEFORE THIS ROAD. NO, IF I UNDERSTOOD YOU CORRECTLY EARLIER, YOU SAID, WE'RE WORKING ON A SCHEDULE OF THESE VALUES. ARE WE ALL GOING TO BE ON THE SAME VALUE SCALE OR EACH, EACH COUNTY WILL HAVE ITS OWN VALUES TO PRIORITIZE ITS OWN ROAD? Y I Y WELL, THAT'S JUST THE WAY THAT THE COUNTIES CAME UP WITH IT. SO YOU DON'T SET THOSE VALUES. WE CAN SET THOSE. YEP. WE DON'T, I DON'T SET THE BAGGIES. SO I THINK IF I HEARD, RIGHT, UH, GEOMETRICS DRAINAGE, TRAFFIC COUNT, [00:25:01] NUMBER OF RESIDENTS, SCHOOL, BUS, ROUTE, AND THE NUMBER OF ACCIDENTS, NUMBER OF ACCIDENTS. RIGHT. AND THEN MY, UH, WOULD GET HOLD OF YOU AND CREATE SOME SORT OF A FORMULA TO WEIGHT THESE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES. WELL, I WOULD SHARE, WE DON'T, I WOULD SHARE WITH MIKE, IF HE'S THE GUY THAT'S GOING TO BE DOING IT, I WOULD SHARE WITH HIM WHAT THE OTHER COUNTIES DID. YEAH. AND HE CAN PRESENT TO THE BOARD AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT A COUNTY DID. THIS IS WHAT B COUNTY DID. OKAY. AND SHANNON DOOR WENT THROUGH THIS EXERCISE. IF WE WENT THROUGH, OH, ANOTHER, ANOTHER CRITERIA YOU MIGHT PUT DOWN THERE. IT WAS HOW LONG PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ON THE LIST. OKAY. THAT CARRIED SOME WEIGHT. OKAY. HOW ABOUT IF, UM, AN AREA SAY PEOPLE ON A PARTICULAR ROAD GAVE RIGHT AWAY VERSUS, AND I KNOW WITH RURAL RUSTIC, YOU DON'T NEED RIGHT AWAY ANYMORE. BUT IF AN AIR OF THE RESIDENTS ON ONE ROAD SAID, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WANT THIS DONE. WE'RE WILLING TO GIVE THE RIGHT OF WAY VERSUS ANOTHER ROAD WHO MEETS THE CRITERIA, BUT THEY'RE UNWILLING TO GIVE RIGHT AWAY, EVEN THOUGH YOU DON'T NEED IT ANYMORE. BUT, AND UNDER THE RULE RUSTIC PROGRAM, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO EXCEED OUR 30 FOOT PRESCRIPTIVE. OKAY. SO THE RIGHT OF WAY, IF YOU START GETTING INTO RIGHT OF WAY, YOU START GETTING INTO PROJECT SIZE WHERE YOU HAVE TO HOLD PUBLIC HEARINGS. WELL, I THINK IT HAPPENED TO TWO, TWO THOUGHTS, OR TWO THINGS CAME, COME TO MIND, KIND OF FITS IN WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. AND THAT WAS GOONIE MANOR LOOP, WHICH I THINK THEY'D GIVEN SOME RIGHT AWAY FOR SOME, SOME TIME. AND, UH, I THINK THEY DIDN'T DO A STANDARD STATE ROAD. THEY JUST BACKED OFF AND DID ROLL RUSTIC OR WHATEVER. IT'S ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO. AND I THINK WHEN THEY FIRST PUT IT OUT FOR BID IS LIKE 1.4. SO THEY SAID THAT WAS OVER, OVER PRICE. THEY PUT OUT FOR BID AGAIN, IT CAME BACK AT 1.9. YEAH. SO THEY WENT INTO IT AND THE PEOPLE THAT OWN ON THE ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD THEY'D GET IN A LOT OF, UH, UH, RIGHT AWAY. AND THE BENEFIT THERE WAS, I THINK THAT WAS COSTING LIKE 15, 20 GRAND A YEAR JUST IN MAINTENANCE. SO IT MADE A LOT OF SENSE TO DO THAT. THE OTHER ONE THAT COMES TO MIND TOO, AND THAT WAS IN, UH, MR. ARCHIE'S, UH, DISTRICT NOW IS PANHANDLE ROAD. AND I THINK THEY WENT FROM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S, IF IT'S RIVERMONT DRIVE OR WHATEVER SO FAR, AND THEN THEY WANTED TO GO ALL THE WAY TO LOW WATER BRIDGE. UH, BUT THERE WAS SOMEBODY RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE. THEY DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE UP THE RIGHT OF WAY AT THAT TIME. AND THIS, THAT BOARD, PREVIOUS BOARDS, I THINK THEY'D BEEN REALLY RESISTANT TO DO A CONDEMNATION. SO WE JUST WENT UP AS FAR AS WE COULD AND DID WHAT WE COULD. SO THOSE ARE JUST A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES OF, RIGHT. AND WHEN THE MAINTENANCE IS OBVIOUSLY A FACTOR THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO WAIT. RIGHT. AND THAT'S THE SAME THING TOO, GOING BACK TO OREGON, HOLLY, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE, UH, THE DRAINAGE THAT COMES INTO PLAY, BUT THE DRAINAGE CAN ALSO BE AN ADDITIONAL EXPENSE. CAUSE I THINK BEING RIGHT NEXT TO, I'M NOT SURE WHAT CREEK THAT IS. ALL OF IT'S BEEN NASA'S RUN OR WHAT, BUT THEY HAD TO PUT IN THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE, SIX CULVERTS, AND IT'S ACTUALLY TURNED OUT REALLY WELL. AND NOW I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT GOES ALL THE WAY TO KHYBER PASS, BUT THERE'S A SECOND PHASE. IT'S I THINK IT'S IN A SIX YEAR PLAN AND A REALLY, UH, INTERESTING PART. AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN OUT THERE WITH CHILDERS OR WHATEVER WHEN YOU GET ABOUT HALFWAY BEFORE. AND I THINK IT'S PROBABLY IN THE CHANDON DISTRICT, YOU REALLY GOT A NARROW, NARROW, NARROW PLACE AND YOU GO UP A HILL AND WHOLE THING, AND I'VE HAD SEVERAL CALLS FROM THE RESIDENT OUT THERE TOO. SO THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH WE CAN DO WITH SO, SO MUCH MONEY THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S RIGHT. AND THE CASE OF OREGON HOLLOW, WE, UH, THERE THERE'S A PROGRAM CALLED HIGH VOLUME SECONDARY THAT THE CTB AS ALLOWED TO DOLE OUT. OKAY. AND SUPPOSEDLY, UH, THE, UH, IT HAS TO BE 500 VEHICLES OR MORE PER DAY IN ORDER TO GET THOSE FUNDS, OREGON HOLLA QUALIFIED FOR THAT. NOW THE ROAD, THE END OF OREGON HOLLER OFF OF THIS MORE HALLOWEEN. OKAY. THAT WAS DONE BY PROJECT. THAT, THAT ENDED UP BEING OVER A MILLION DOLLARS FOR THAT. THEN WE WERE ABLE TO TAKE FROM THE END OF THAT, THE KHYBER PASS ON THE, UH, THE, UH, REVENUE SHARE. I'M NOT REVENUE SHARING THE, UH, RURAL RUSTIC PROGRAM. [00:30:01] AND THEN WE WERE ABLE TO GO TO THE OTHER END OF OREGON HOLLA AND COME BACK UP TO THAT LOW WATER STRUCTURE, THAT OVERFLOW STRUCTURE WITH A REAL RUSTIC PROGRAM, THE PIECE IN THE MIDDLE. OKAY. WILL NOT, YOU CANNOT DO WITH RURAL RUSTIC BECAUSE EVEN WITHIN THE 30 FOOT RIGHT AWAY, THERE'S NOT ROOM TO WIDEN THE ROAD BECAUSE OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS. CAUSE ONE SIDE DROPS RIGHT STRAIGHT DOWN TO THE CREEK. THE OTHER SIDE IS HIGH BANK. SO THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE A MAJOR CONSTRUCTION PROJECT. WHAT'D YOU SAID TOO, JUST TO CLARIFY, WE COMPETE WITH OTHER LOCALITIES, BUT IT IS PRIORITY OR NOT, BUT ARE WE NOT ALLOTTED A CERTAIN AMOUNT BASED ON THE COUNTY? YES. YOU WILL GET CERTAIN, UM, UM, UH, MOUNT, UH, I'M JUST SAYING THAT IT, IT, SOME FOR PROJECT WISE, LET'S SAY YOU WANTED TO DO THAT PIECE. AND I MAYBE I DIDN'T MAKE MYSELF CLEAR, LET'S SAY YOU WANTED TO DO THAT PIECE OF OREGON HOLLOW, THIS LIFT. OKAY. THAT'S PROJECT MONIES. SO YOU WOULD SUBMIT A REQUEST FOR THAT. ALL RIGHT. AND THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT HAD TO COMPETE. YOU'RE GOING TO GET X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS FOR YOUR SECONDARY PROGRAM, NOT FROM FORMULA, BUT FROM THE DISTRICT GRANT. BUT THE PIECE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, SAY THE, THE OREGON HOLLOW AND MIDDLE PIECE THAT WOULD BE IN COMPETITION WITH THE REST OF THE STATE AND DISTRICT. YES. OKAY. THIS WAS LIKE I SAID, THAT I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT WE GET A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE CAN DO MOST, ANYTHING THAT YOU GOT IN RURAL RUSTIC, YOU'RE GOING TO, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU PUT IN, UH, YOU'LL GET A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF FUNDS TO APPLY TO THOSE MERITS. SOME OF THEM MAY BE THIS YEAR. SOME OF THOSE FUNDS MAY COME THE SECOND YEAR AND THE FULL FUNDING MAY NOT COME FROM THE THIRD YEAR, BUT WE DIRECT THAT. I'M SORRY. WE, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DIRECT HOW THAT'S ALLOCATED TO WHICH PROJECT THAT CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY WE GET. YES. NOT IN COMPETITION WITH OTHER COUNTIES, RIGHT. JUST TO VERIFY THOSE DOLLARS, IT'S THOSE DOLLARS THAT YOU WANT TO PRIORITIZE TO GET THE BIGGEST BANK. RIGHT. AND BY DOING THIS, WE KIND OF GIVE UP A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF OUR INPUT TO THE SYSTEM AND TO WHOEVER'S RANKING THEM INSTEAD OF US HAVING SOME PERSONAL, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT CONCERNING TO ME. UH, YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT THE, THE VOLUME COUNT AND I, I KIND OF THINK ANOTHER AREA FOR WARREN COUNTY WE NEED TO LOOK AT IS, AND I UNDERSTAND IF YOU HAVE PEOPLE COMING IN OFF OF A ROAD, JUST CUTTING THROUGH, GOING TO WORK EVERY DAY AND GOING BACK, BUT OUR COUNTY THRIVES OFF OF TOURISM. SO SOME OF THESE ROADS, TOURISM IS A, UH, THAT ROAD AFFECTS TOURISM. AND I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE ONE, AT LEAST I FEEL ONE THAT WE NEED TO PUT THERE, UM, AS A CONSIDERATION, YOU KNOW, AND THE VOLUME COUNT IF, IF THEY COME OUT AND THEY PUT THE COUNTER DOWN IN THE MIDDLE OF A WEEK, ON A ROAD THAT A LOT OF ITS TRAFFIC IS DRIVEN, NOT ONLY RESIDENTIAL, BUT TOURISM, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET AN ACCURATE COUNT FOR THAT ROAD. UM, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DON'T WORK WITH THE STATE EMPLOYEES UNLESS IT'S A WEATHER RELATED THING. THEY DON'T WORK ON THE WEEKENDS NECESSARILY. BUT I THINK ABOUT OVERLOOKING THAT WE WOULD BE CUTTING SOME OF THESE ROADS SHORT ON WHAT'S ACTUALLY ON THEM TO TAKE IN CONSIDERATION OF THE WEAR AND TEAR THAT'S GOING TO BE THERE. AND THE EFFECT OF THAT ROAD BEING IN REALLY POOR CONDITION HAS ON BRINGING TOURISM BACK TO IT. IF YOU COME OUT TO HAVE AN EXPERIENCE AND YOUR EXPERIENCE IS YOUR TEETH ARE CRACKED BECAUSE YOU JARRED THEM ON A POTHOLE ROAD THAT NEEDS TO HAVE SOME WORK DONE ON IT. YOU KNOW, THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED INTO THAT IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THE BOARD, IF THE BOARD CHOOSES TO, THAT THEY CAN DECIDE TO DO, TO ADD, UH, IN THE RANKINGS IF THEY WANT TO. YEAH. BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE SOMETHING TOO THAT WE COULD IDENTIFY ROADS THAT MAY BE USED FOR TOURISM DURING THE TOURISM SEASON. AND THEN THEY, YOU COULD MAYBE DO YOUR VOLUME COUNTS DURING THAT PARTICULAR HEAVY TRAFFIC PERIOD, I E OCTOBER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY THERE ARE. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'D BE A WHOLE LOT, BUT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE LOOKED AT TOO. AND I GUESS THE OTHER THING THAT COULD BE DONE TO, IF YOU LIVE ON A ROAD AND YOU WANT TO INCREASE THE TRAFFIC COUNTS, WE WANT TO FIND OUT WHEN BEAT OUTS OUT THERE WITH THEIR LITTLE STRIPS, COUNTING THE VEHICLES AND YOU JUST GO BACK AND FORTH, BACK AND FORTH, BACK AND FORTH. [00:35:01] AND THAT INCREASED THE COUNT FOR THAT DAY. WELL, UH, THE, THE, UH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE LOOKED AT, WHAT WOULD BE LOOKED AT IS AVERAGE ANNUAL DAILY TRAFFIC. OKAY. SO YOU COULD, YOU COULD MAKE 500 TRIPS IN ONE DAY. AND IF THE REST OF THE DAYS DIDN'T HAVE THAT, IT'S STILL GOING TO BE AVERAGED OUT TO THE AVERAGE ANNUAL DAILY THING, BUT WE CAN PLACE THE COUNTERS OUT THERE. IF THE, IF THE BOARD SAYS ROAD A, IS IT GETS REALLY BUSY IN THE TOURIST SEASON. OKAY. WE CAN PUT THE COUNTERS THERE. EVEN, EVEN IF THE BOARD MOVED FORWARD THIS YEAR, IT'S GOING TO TAKE SEVERAL MONTHS OF WORK TO PUT TOGETHER A, UH, A SYSTEM THAT THE BOARD AGREES TO. THEN IT'S GOING TO TAKE, UH, YOU WOULD PROBABLY STAY STATIC UNTIL THE NEXT YEAR WHEN WE'VE HAD A CHANCE TO GRAB ALL BRAND NEW DATA, YOU KNOW, BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY IMPLEMENTED THE THING. SO IF THIS YEAR, IF YOU HAD SOMETHING TO PRESENT THIS SPRING AND THE BOARD AGREED ON IT, IT WOULD BE NEXT SPRING. AND YOUR NEXT SIX YEAR PLAN BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY DID IMPLEMENT IMPLEMENTATION. LET ME ASK YOU ANOTHER QUESTION THERE, AGAIN, IT GOES FROM PAST EXPERIENCE. I KNOW IN BROWNTOWN ROAD, THEY WANTED TO DECREASE THE SPEED LIMIT AND THEN BEAT OUT, HAD TO GO OUT THERE WHERE THEIR TRAFFIC COUNTS. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE LITTLE THINGS YOU PUT ACROSS THE ROAD HIT ON NOT ONLY, UM, MEASURES A VEHICLE, BUT ALSO MEASURES OF SPEED. NOW WE HAVE, UH, NOW WE HAVE SPEED COUNTERS THAT WE PUT OUT THERE TO MEASURE THAT. OKAY. BUT WHEN YOU DO THAT, THOUGH, THAT COMES WITH A COST HAVING SAYS, WHAT, WHAT THEY COST NOW, WE'RE GOING TO CHARGE YOU FOR THAT BECAUSE I THOUGHT THEY DID WHEN THEY WANTED TO. OKAY. OKAY. JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. WE HAVE BUDGETS NOW. OKAY. OKAY. IF YOU WANT TO, IF YOU, IF YOU WANT A, UH, A SPEED STUDY DONE ON A SPECIFIC ROAD, OKAY. THEY WILL COME OUT THERE AND PLACE THE COUNTERS FOR THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THEY WILL GET AND A LOW SPEED, HIGH SPEED, AVERAGE SPEED FOR DIFFERENT PERIODS OF THE DAY. USUALLY THEY SAT THERE FOR 48 HOURS AND THEN THEY WILL LOOK AT THE CRASH HISTORY. THEY WILL LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF ACCESS POINTS ON THAT ROAD. THEY WILL LOOK AT THE GEOMETRICS OF THE ROAD. THEY WILL LOOK AT THE, UH, UH, WHETHER OR NOT, UH, THERE IS SCHOOL TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD AND WHAT THEY REALLY PAY A LOT OF POTENTIAL TO IS WHAT THE TRAFFIC IS CURRENTLY TRAVELING AT AND TO LOWER A SPEED LIMIT. AND THIS IS A MISCONCEPTION BY A LOT, YOU KNOW, ABOUT EVERYBODY OUT THERE. IF YOU HAVE TRAFFIC ON A 45 ZONE AND IT'S DRIVING 50, OKAY, YOU CAN PUT THAT SPEED LIMIT DOWN TO 25 AND YOU'RE STILL GONNA DRIVE 50 PEOPLE DRIVE WHAT THEY'RE COMFORTABLE DRIVING. AND SO TRAFFIC ENGINEERING TAKES A LOOK AT THAT WHEN THEY DECIDE TO LOWER ALL MEAN WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THEY CAN JUSTIFY LOWERING. THE OTHER THING IS THAT THEY AN ASH DOSE STANDARD, OKAY. WHEN THEY'RE MAKING THESE DECISIONS, AND IF THEY LOWER A SPEED LIMIT LOWER THAN WHAT THIS, WHAT THE ROAD IS DESIGNED TO TAKE, AND THEY START INCURRING REAR-END CRASHES, THE P E WHO STAMPED THAT IF HE VIOLATED THOSE STANDARDS BECOMES LIABLE AND RISK HIS LICENSE. SO THEY'RE, THEY, THEY TAKE A HARD LOOK AT, THEY MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE THE SCIENTIFIC DATA BEHIND THEM BEFORE THEY LOWER A SPEED LIMIT OR RAISE A SPEED LIMIT. SO I UNDERSTAND THIS RIGHT, MIKE, WE'LL TAKE THESE CRITERIA, LOOK AT SOME OF THE EXAMPLES, LIKE FREDERICK NOLAN TO COME SHOW US. AND WE CREATE A WEIGHTING SYSTEM AWAIT SYSTEM FOR THESE, WE BRING THAT BACK TO THE BOARD AND WE GET TO GET, AFTER WE GET THAT APPROVAL, THEN WE GO BACK AND RANK OR STREETS. WELL, ACTUALLY MY, MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT YOU RANKED THE STREETS SO THE BOARD CAN SEE WHAT IMPACT IT HAS, UH, VERSUS WHAT IT CURRENTLY HAS CONSIDERING ITS PRIORITIES. [00:40:01] SO WHAT, WHAT IS HERE? YEAH. WHAT IS, WHAT IS HERE ON YOUR CURRENT PLAN IS THAT'S THE CURRENT PLAN THAT THIS IS THE CURRENT PLAN? MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT, THAT MIKE WORKED WITH US AND, AND, AND, UH, DEVELOP THE PROS AND CONS OF EACH OF THE WAVES. OKAY. I APPLIED TO HERE AND THEN BRING THAT BACK TO THE BOARD AND SAY, OKAY, UNDER THE RATING SYSTEM, THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. THIS IS WHAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE, YOU KNOW, DO YOU WANT TO GO TO THE WEDDING SYSTEM OR DO YOU WANT TO STAY LIKE YOU ARE, IT'S ENTIRELY A BOARD DECISION, BUT IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF A RANKING SYSTEM THAT THE BOARD CAN USE TO SET THE, AND, AND MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE IF MIKE'S GOING TO BE DOING THAT. UH, AND, AND OF COURSE THE BOARD HAS TO SAY, THEY WANT TO PROCEED THAT WAY TO AT LEAST DEVELOP. IT DOES MEAN YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT IT, BUT IF YOU PROCEED TO DEVELOP IT, YOU KNOW, SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE. THEN MIKE SITS DOWN WITH US, UH, AND AT SOME POINT IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO, AND GET STARTED ON, UH, UH, SHARING THE INFORMATION. SO WHAT WOULD BE OUR TIMEFRAME? OH, I'M GETTING IT DONE. YEAH. WELL, I'LL TELL YOU THE, IT TOOK SHANANDOAH COUNTY, UH, THREE MONTHS TO DO THEIRS. AND, UH, AND I THINK YOU'D HAVE A BETTER FEEL FOR THAT. MY GOAL WOULD BE THAT WHEN WE COME TO YOU WITH THE SIX YEAR PLAN, OKAY. FOR YOUR, UH, THAT YOU HAVE THIS IN FRONT OF YOU TO CONSIDER THAT DOESN'T MEAN, AS I SAID, I DON'T RECOMMEND CHANGING ANYTHING IN THE CURRENT PLAN. OKAY. BUT IF YOU ADOPT THE SYSTEM, THEN WE APPLY THAT AND CHANGE IT NEXT SIX YEAR CYCLE, WHICH IT WOULD BE IN 2022. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO THESE THINGS THAT YOU'VE GOT ON HERE, THEY, I DON'T KNOW. WHAT IS IT? THREE PAGES OF PROJECTS. SOME OF THEM WERE ACTUALLY BEEN COMPLETED. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. YOU'RE GONNA MISS THAT. SO THAT'S CORRECT. AND THE REASON, THE REASON I CAN'T GO ANY FURTHER WITH IT IS BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REVENUE FORECAST ARE GOING TO SHOW BY THE END OF FEBRUARY. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU WOULD HAVE THIS. WHEN I, WHEN I COME BACK TO YOU AGAIN, BEFORE MAY, I WILL SAY, OKAY, HERE'S WHAT WE'VE COMPLETED. HERE'S WHAT WE HAVEN'T COMPLETED. AND HERE'S HOW MUCH MONEY YOU GOT LEFT TO DOLE OUT. WHAT ROADS DO YOU WANT TO ADD NOW? OKAY. LET'S, LET'S TAKE ROCKY LANE. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW. WHAT'S BEEN DONE OUT THERE. I DON'T TRAVEL THAT ROAD. HAS THAT BEEN COMPLETED? YES. OKAY. THE SAME THING WITH, UH, RICHARDSON ROAD. YES. YEAH. EVERYTHING ON PAGE FOUR, I BELIEVE IS DONE. PAGE FOUR, PAGE TWO OR FOUR. YEAH, PAGE TWO OR FOUR. LET ME PUT MY GLASSES BACK. WELL, THE HAPPY CREEK, THE HAPPY CREEK ROAD PROJECT HADN'T BEEN COMPLETED. WELL, HAPPY CREEK ROAD IS HAPPY. CREEK ROAD THOUGH IS A MAJOR PROJECT THAT WAS DONE THROUGH SMART SCALE. THAT'S A $10 MILLION PROJECT. SHE'S THE ONLY DIFFERENT SECTION. THE SECTION IS THAT IT'S UNDER NEW HARD SURFACE PROJECT. YOU SEE, I WAS GOING TO GET THE SMART SCALE IN A MINUTE. ONE COUNTY HAS ALSO SUBMITTED THREE SMART SCALE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN SCREENED IN THAT. WE'LL GO TO THE CTB NEXT TUESDAY TO SEE IF WE SCORE HIGH ENOUGH TO GET FUNDED. HAPPY CREEK IS ONE THAT DID THAT ON THE FIRST CYCLE. GOT APPROVED. NOW IT'S, IT'S UH, JUST ABOUT COMPLETE DESIGN AND IT'S HAD THE PUBLIC HEARING RIGHT AWAY PHASE, I THINK IS JUST ABOUT COMPLETED. AND IT'S READY TO GO TO ADVERTISEMENT JUST ABOUT READY TO GO TO ADVERTISEMENT AND ARE THE FUNDS THERE NOW FOR THE COMPLETION? THE ONE THING ABOUT SMART SCALE IS THAT WE CANNOT PROCEED WITH WORK ON PROJECTS THAT ARE APPROVED ON THE SMART SCALE UNTIL THE FUNDS ARE 100% IN THE BIND. SO ANYTHING IT'S APPROVAL AND SMART SCALE, THE FUNDS ARE THERE GETTING BACK TO THE, UM, THE PROJECTS THAT WE CAN CHOOSE TO DO THAT TAKE AWAY FROM OUR TOTAL ALLOTMENT OF DOLLARS. [00:45:01] OKAY. UH, IN SECONDARY. YEAH. UH, YEAH, IT, IT, BUT WE HAVE SOME CONTROL IS WHAT I MEAN, YOU HA YOU HAVE ALL CONTROL. UH, UH, WE LIKE TO SAY THAT YOU HAVE 51% OF THE SHARES AND WE GOT 49% OF THE SHARES ON YOUR SECONDARY. UM, WE TRY TO ADVISE YOU, YOU KNOW, AS BEST THAT WE CAN, BUT ULTIMATELY IT'S THE BOARD'S DECISION. SO IF YOU, AND I'M JUST GONNA PICK A FIGURE HERE. LET'S SAY, IF I LOOK HERE, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS SHEET ONE OH FOUR, THERE WAS IN 2019. OKAY. OKAY. AND THAT SIX YEAR PERIOD. OKAY. YOU WERE ALLOTTED, UH, $1.5 MILLION FOR YOUR SECONDARY IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. AND IT WAS SPREAD OUT OVER THOSE GIVEN YEARS AND SEE THAT DISTRICT GRANT THAT'S FOR THE UNPAVED ROADS. NOW YOU CAN ASK FOR MORE, BUT WE TRY TO, WE TRY TO ADVISE YOU TO ASK FOR WHAT WE CAN GET CONSTRUCTED, MAYBE BECAUSE WE HAVE A SHORT WINDOW CONSTRUCTION SEASON DEPENDENT ON THE TYPE OF WEATHER THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, UM, USUALLY IF WE HAVE A REAL GOOD YEAR, WE CAN START WORKING IN, UH, USUALLY MAY OKAY. AND CARRY IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH OCTOBER. AND WHEN YOU SAY THAT YOU'RE TALKING BASICALLY ROLL RUSTIC OR UNPAVED ROAD, RIGHT? YEAH. MR. CARTER, I WANTED TO ASK, IS THERE SOMEWHERE THAT, SO FOR SHENANDOAH COUNTY, IF IT VOTED ON AN ALGORITHM, THEN IT OBVIOUSLY IS PUBLISHED SOMEWHERE SO WE CAN GO OUT AND CAUSE I'D LIKE TO SEE THE ALGORITHM THAT THEY USED TO DETERMINE HOW THEY RANKED THEIR ROADS, JUST TO GET A FEEL FOR, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE, HOW THEY WEIGHTED AND HOW THE WEIGHTINGS DISTRIBUTED. AND I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, YEAH. I, I WILL GIVE, UH, IF, IF MIKE GETS WITH ME, I'LL GIVE HIM FREDERICK AND, AND SHANGO CAN BE REALLY HELPFUL. YEAH. AND I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU ALL LOOK AT THOSE TO MAKE YOUR DECISION. UM, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT, YOU MIGHT CHOOSE TO GO WITH SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT. I, I'M JUST ONE THAT WE'RE NOT REINVENTING THE WHEEL. IF I KNOW, OH, WELL, MAYBE WE CAN TAKE THE CURRENT PLAN AND PUT THE ROADS ON THE FREDERICK AND THE SHENANDOAH GRIDS SO THAT THE BOARD CAN SEE WHAT THEY WOULD LOOK LIKE. AND THEN THEY COULD SAY WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO TWEAK SO THAT MIKE COULD THEN COME UP WITH WHATEVER THE WARRANT ACCOUNTED REALLY. WOULD IT BE WHAT THE IMPACT OF THE DIFFERENT WEIGHTING SYSTEM WOULD BE? THAT WOULD MAKE VERY GOOD SENSE THAT SHANNON DORA PLAN, THIS IS A LITTLE SIMPLER AND EASIER TO UPDATE THAN THE FREDERICK COUNTY PLAN, BUT THEY'RE BOTH, THEY'RE BOTH GOOD. I MEAN, UH, SOLID PLANS AND THEY GIVE THE BOARD A SOLID FOOTING TO MAKE THEIR DECISIONS. SO QUESTION JUST FOR ME, SIR, IS LOOKING AT HAPPY CREEK IS SIX 45. IS THAT LEE TRON PARKWAY? IT'S SIX 45. WHAT, WHAT ROAD? I THINK THAT'S WHERE IT GOES FROM TOWN LIMITS, MAYBE TO THE BRIDGE OF 66 AND AUSTIN BRANCH. YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE THE BRIDGE OF 66. OKAY. GOT THE OUTER BRIDGE. THE OTHER THING THAT'S MOST IMPORTANT WITH THAT PROJECT IS IT'S GOING TO HELP REALIGN THE INTERSECTION THERE AT A DISMAL HOLLOW ROAD. YES. WHICH IS VERY DIFFICULT IF YOU'RE COMING TOWARDS TOWN TO MAKE THAT TURN BECAUSE YOU ALMOST HAVE TO MAKE A WIDE TURN TO GET THERE. IT TAKES ALL OF THOSE CURVES AND HUMPS AND HEELS BETWEEN EACH ONE PARKWAY. I MEAN, BETWEEN THE TOWN LIMIT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO, AND IT ALSO HELPED WITH THE RAILROAD CROSSING TOO. CAN I ASK, IS THAT GOING TO STRAIGHTEN OR YOUR CROSS AT AN ANGLE AND THAT RAILROAD TRACKS STRAIGHTENS THAT OUT SO THAT YOU'RE LIGHT. OKAY. AND THAT'S TO GO DOWN TO THE, WHAT IS IT? MANASSAS ROAD RIGHT THERE. JUST PAST THE BRIDGE. YEAH. [00:50:01] BUT THEN I GUESS THAT'S WHERE I WAS CONFUSED AS IT WAS FIRST FOUR SHEETS WERE SHOWING AND MAYBE THAT WAS IN 2019 AND IT SHOWED HER STILL MONEY NEEDED TO BE ALLOCATED TO THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT. BUT THEN ON THE OTHER PAGE, IT SAYS, THEY'RE STARTING TO, THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT BEGINNING OF THAT PROJECT IN 2021. WELL, IF YOU SEE, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT ONE HAPPY CREEK ROAD, THE FINAL FUNDING FOR WHAT BECOMES AVAILABLE IN JULY OF 2021. OKAY. SO IT'S GOING TO BE ADVERTISED CONSTRUCTION. WOULDN'T START BEFORE THEN. RIGHT. GOTCHA. OKAY. THAT'S THE OTHER THING TOO, THAT, THAT IT'S IMPORTANT. AND THERE, AGAIN, THAT'S BEYOND US, BUT THAT'S THE, THE TOWN PIECE BETWEEN WHERE THEY STOPPED RIGHT THERE, WHERE YOU GOT THAT S CURVE WHERE YOU GO INTO MR. ED'S, UM, SUBDIVISION AS SHANNON DOOR OR A SHADOW SHORES ROAD AND THE WHOLE THING, BUT THAT THERE THAT'S ON THE TOWN. DO YOU KNOW HOW THEY'RE PROCEEDING WITH THAT? UH, LET ME SEE. I I'LL HAVE TO CHECK ON THAT BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, RIGHT, TRY TO DO IT WITH REVENUE SHARING AT ONE TIME. AND THAT KIND OF FELL THROUGH, UH, SINCE THEY'RE AN URBAN DEVELOPMENT, THEY, UH, THEY'RE NOT, THEY DON'T GET SECONDARY FUNDS LIKE THE COUNTY, SO THEY EITHER GOT TO GO REVENUE SHARING OR SMART SCALE. AND THE ONLY SMART SCALE THAT THEY HAVE THAT THEY APPLIED FOR THIS YEAR WAS, UH, OKAY. WAS SOUTH STREET BIKE PAD. BECAUSE I THINK WHEN I FIRST GOT ON TOWN COUNCIL 94, SO THE HAPPY CREEK ROAD IMPROVEMENT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO ALL THE WAY TO THE TOWN LIMITS. AND IT WAS A SIX YEAR PLAN AND WE'D BEEN ON THERE FOR LIKE 20 YEARS AND THEN THEY WENT UP DOING IT IN PHASES AND IT JUST, THE COST JUST KEPT ESCALATING. YEAH. AND THERE'S NOW THE THING ABOUT SMART SCALE IS THAT THE INFLATION IS BUILT IN, UH, FOR, UH, WARREN COUNTY HAS, UH, THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT A SMART SCALE PROJECT NOW THAT'S APPROVED FOR THE ADDITIONAL LIGHTING ON THREE 40, FROM 66 ON OUT, OKAY. TO PUT ADDITIONAL STREET LIGHTING OUT THERE AND LIGHT THE ROADWAY THIS YEAR, UH, YOU HAVE APPLIED FOR A QUARTER SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS ON THREE 40 AT $1.1 MILLION IN, UH, 20 $20 ON THE PATIENT FACTORS APPLIED SAY BY THE TIME THAT THE MONEY BECOMES AVAILABLE AT JUMPS TO $1.6 MILLION, YOU'VE ALSO GOT ONE N AND THESE, THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT MADE IT THROUGH THE SCREENING PROCESS AND WE'LL BE IN FRONT OF CTB. NEXT PIECE, THE, UH, CORRECTING THE INTERSECTION OF ROUTE 55 AND HANNA ROAD MAKING THAT LEFT TURN LANE IN THERE. UH, THAT WAS IT 2.2 MILLION. OKAY. BY THE TIME THE MONEY BECOMES AVAILABLE, IT GOES TO 3.3 MILLION. AND THEN YOUR OTHER ONE WAS A ROUTE 55 WEST AT SIX 78 AND SIX, 10 INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS. OKAY. THAT'S A 2.8 ADD GOES TO 4.2. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THE INFLATION HAS BEEN ADDED HERE. YOU LOST ME ON THE ROUTE NUMBERS THERE. IF YOU DO, YOU KNOW, DO YOU KNOW THE ROAD NAMES? IT'S 55 WEST. NOW I HAVE TO LOOK THEM UP. YOU KEEP UP WITH THE ROAD NAMES. YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S OKAY. I'LL LOOK IT UP. BUT, UM, QUESTION ON, AND I'M, I'M ON THIS PAGE OF THE BOOK, NOT THE FIRST ONE. SO SHE HAD THERE WITH THE, THE THREE THAT ARE THEY'RE PRIORITIZED UNFUNDED PROJECTS UNDER THE SMART SCALE. AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE LISTED ONE, TWO, THREE, PRIORITIZE THEM. OR IS THAT SENTENCE TO CATCH UP WITH YOU HERE? WAIT A MINUTE. WE COULD SAY SEVEN, WHERE YOU AT WHICH PAGE? [00:55:02] THIS NUMBER DOWN THERE. IT'S HALLSVILLE ROAD, COTTON LANE AND STOKES. OKAY. YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE, UH, SECONDARY SLIDE PRESENTATION THAT WE GAVE. YEAH, YEAH. THIS RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW WITH IT. I THOUGHT SINCE WE WERE, YOU WERE TALKING SMART SCALE EVIDENCE. YEAH. OR, UH, AT, AT THE TIME IN 2019, THESE WERE PROJECTS THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO BE SUBMITTED OR THAT THE COUNTY WANTED TO SUBMIT FOR SMART SCALE. OKAY. AND, UH, THEY WERE NOT, THEY HAVE NOT BEEN SUBMITTED FOR SUPPORT. SO THAT'S, I THOUGHT MAYBE THEY HAD BEEN SUBMITTED, BUT NOT, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN SUBMITTED AT ALL COMMITTED. AND YOU SEE THAT THE PLANNING GROUP WORKED WITH YOUR, UH, UH, WITH YOUR, UH, WITH BOB PRIMARILY, YOU KNOW, BASED ON DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD AT THAT TIME. AND IT I'M SORRY, PLANNING GROUP BEING OUR PLANNING COMMISSION. SORRY. NO, OUR PLANNING GROUP, OUR FOLKS WHO KIND OF OVERSEE AND HELP DIRECT THE SPOT SCALE PROJECTS AND THEY CAN KIND OF LOOK BECAUSE THEY KNOW ALL THE RULES AND EVERYTHING AND SAY, UH, THIS ONE'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO MAKE IT THROUGH. YOU MIGHT NOT WANT TO PUT YOUR EFFORT INTO IT OR THIS ONE LOOKS LIKE IT COULD BE SPORE HIGH. SO THIS MIGHT BE ALL IN ONE YOU OUGHT TO SUBMIT. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED TO THESE THREE OR NOT. LIKE I SAID, THIS WAS TWO YEARS AGO, SO, SO WERE THESE DENIED OR JUST NOT SUBMITTED? THEY WERE NOT SUBMITTED. OKAY. WHAT ABOUT THAT, THAT REASON FOR NOT SUBMISSION? I DON'T KNOW. I CAN, I CAN GO CHECK, BUT, UH, IF THEY'RE STILL A PRIORITY, YOU KNOW, TO YOU AS A BOARD, I MEAN, I, I LOOK AT IT, ESPECIALLY STOKES AIRPORT ROAD AND TOTTEN LANE, BECAUSE NOW THAT WE'VE GOT A NEW FIRE DEPARTMENTS AT NON STOKES AIRPORT ROAD, AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE RUNNING THAT ROAD A LITTLE BIT MORE RUNNING CALLS, AND THAT ROAD IS AN ACCIDENT ON ANY GIVEN DAY. IF THEY'VE ALREADY HAPPENED. WE EXPLAINED THAT SMART SCALES OVER A TWO YEAR CYCLE, SEE THE DOLLARS. IF THESE PROJECTS THAT YOU SUBMITTED GET APPROVED BY THE CTB, THE MONEY IS NOT GOING TO BE THERE UNTIL ABOUT 27 OR 28. RIGHT. IF YOU, IF YOU WANT TO INCLUDE THESE IN, ON THE NEXT APPLICATION. OKAY. WHICH WILL BE NEXT ABOUT A YEAR FROM NOW. OKAY. THE MONEY IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE OUT THERE IN ABOUT 29 OR 30. IF THE, IF IT GETS SCORED, WHAT, WHAT ROLE DOES THAT PLAY IN? I THINK IT'S CALLED, IS IT THE SEWER, THE SMALLER URBAN AREA, TRANSPORTATION STUDIES DONE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE UPDATED EVERY FIVE YEARS OR SO. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? UH, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT I DO NOT KNOW WHAT ROLE THAT PLAYS. WELL, IT'S JUST, I JUST RECALL THROUGH THE YEARS HAS COME UP. AND I THINK THE LAST TIME WE SAW IT AS SOMETHING, MAYBE MR. AKIN FUND TO GET THE LATEST ONE AND WHAT THAT SHOWED. AND I THINK IT SHOWED IT FOR BOTH THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT'S WHERE VIDOT HELPS SMALLER LOCALITIES DO SOME TRANSPORTATION PLANNING, WHEREAS THE LARGER LOCALITIES HAVE THEIR OWN TRANSPORTATION PLANNING PERSON. THAT'S TRUE. BUT I, I DON'T KNOW. I KNOW WE HAVE USED IT IN AREAS LIKE HELPING, UH, UH, LIKE THE TOWN OF BERRYVILLE. RIGHT. OKAY. WHICH IS JUST ABOUT 3,600 PEOPLE. I THINK WARREN COUNTY IS WHAT, 35,040. BUT THERE AGAIN, I THINK I'M NOT SURE. I THINK IN BOTH THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY HAD THE SEPARATE, UH, STUDIES COMMISSION, WHATEVER. AND LAST I REMEMBER IT SHOW, IT WAS LIKE EVERYTHING. LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, IT'S BASICALLY, UH, TOO MUCH MONEY AND NOT ENOUGH ROADS, NO REVERSE THAT. UH, BUT IT SHOWED LIKE PUTTING IN THE INTERCHANGE AT SIX OH SIX, WHICH AT THAT TIME, LAST TIME I LOOKED, IT WAS LIKE A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS. IT ALSO TALKED ABOUT PUTTING IN THAT WESTERN BYPASS. WE TALKED ABOUT MAJOR, MAJOR THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, I GUESS IS MORE OR LESS A WISHLIST OR A DREAMLESS, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW HOW OFTEN THAT GOT UPDATED OR IF THAT'S ABOUT TIME TO START LOOKING AT THAT AGAIN. YEAH. I'LL I, IT HASN'T BEEN DONE IN AWHILE. I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY DISCUSSIONS TO HAVE IT DONE. OKAY. I THINK THEY DID. IT WAS LIKE A [01:00:01] 20 YEAR PLAN, BUT IT WOULD BE UPDATED AS TIME WOULD ALLOW A REVIVAL. YOU'RE SAYING EVERYTHING NOW HAS TO BE ON V TRAN. THEY GET SUBMITTED IN SPORT SCALE. I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT TIES IN, BUT IT WOULD PROBABLY BE WORTHWHILE IF, UH, WE GOT ON YOUR BOARD MEETING AGENDA AND HAD, UH, OUR PLANNING GROUP, UH, FOLKS COME UP HERE AND ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS. I'M SORRY. I, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWERS TO THEM. THEY'RE MUCH MORE VERSED IN IT. NO, LIKE I SAID, I JUST REMEMBER THOSE THINGS IN THE PAST. AND THEN SOMETIMES THOSE THINGS KIND OF GO AWAY. SOMETIMES THEY NEED TO BE UPDATED. SOMETIMES THEY GET FORGOTTEN. SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, I'M SURE STAFF CAN FIND THE LAST ITERATION OF THAT. YOU WANT TO, IF YOU WANT TO, UH, PUT THAT ON A BOARD MEETING AGENDA, BE GLAD TO HAVE HIM COME AND GIVE YOU, ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS. WELL, I THINK THE FIRST THING THAT HAPPENED WOULD BE TO GET A COPY OF THE LAST PLAN AND LET THE BOARD LOOK AT IT AND DECIDE WHICH WAY THEY WANT TO MOVE FORWARD. DO YOU KNOW ABOUT HOW OLD THAT IS, SIR? UM, THAT'S HAS BEEN DONE AT LEAST SINCE THE CIVIL WAR. UH, I DON'T WANT TO SAY PLANT'S BEEN UPDATED SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE 13, 13. I THINK IT'S TIMED UPDATED THAT. WELL, IT, IT MAY BE THE THING ABOUT IT IS WITH ALL OF THE NEW THINGS AND IT'S CONTINUAL CHANGE OF ADMINISTRATIONS AND, UH, AND HIGHWAY LEADERSHIP, THE, IT MAY NOT EVEN EXIST ANYMORE. I WAS GOING TO SAY IT WOULD BE. YEAH. SO THAT'S THAT'S AND I'LL GET YOU THE ANSWER TO THOSE QUESTIONS. AND IF YOU, THE BOARD DECIDES THEY WANT SOMEBODY TO COME UP AND THEY CAN ASK MORE DETAILED TO BE GLAD TO DO THAT. AND MADAM CHAIR, IF I MAY MS. LOGAN IS ON THE GOOGLE MEET AND SHE ACTUALLY HAS THAT PLAN, THE 20, 35 PLAN. AND SHE WOULD BE THE SMALL URBAN AREA TRANSPORTATION PLAN. AND SHE WOULD BE GLAD TO SHARE THAT WITH THE BOARD. OKAY. SO WE CAN PUT THAT ON A WORK SESSION. YES. SO WE HAVE A COUPLE OF DATES FOR THE WORK SESSION. SO WE HAVE THE FEBRUARY 2ND, WHICH IS THE WORK SESSION AFTER OUR MORNING MEETING, BUT THERE IS A BUDGET WORK SESSION SCHEDULED FOR FEBRUARY 2ND, AT 11 WITH THE SHENANDOAH AREA AGENCY ON AGING. BUT WE ALSO HAVE OUR SECOND TUESDAY WORK SESSION AT SEVEN O'CLOCK ON FEBRUARY THE NINTH. SO MANY BUDGET. LET'S TRY. THE SECOND I WAS GOING TO SAY, I'D LIKE FOR VEDA, PROBABLY MORNINGS WERE BETTER. ARE THEY NOT? WELL, IT, IT, THESE PEOPLE COME UP ALL THE WAY FROM STANTON. I PREFER IT. IT NOT BE AT SEVEN AT NIGHT. I MEAN, IF THAT'S WHAT TAKES US WHAT IT TAKES, BUT WELL, WE CAN, WE CAN ACCOMMODATE EVEN IF WE'RE OUT. UH, SO THE THERE'S ALSO A 9:00 AM WORK SESSION, THE BUDGET WORK SESSION ON FEBRUARY THE NINTH AS WELL. BUT IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND ADD THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT TRANSPORTATION ONTO THE BUDGET WORK SESSION WITH THE S AAA ON THE SECOND, I CAN DO THAT. WAIT, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT AS FAR AS HAVING THE WORK SESSION TO LOOK AT THE SU ED PLAN OR LOOK AT SOMETHING ELSE FROM DOT WELL, JUST HAVE THEM COME UP AND EXPLAIN IT TO US AND YEAH, WELL, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE TO ME, IT'D BE BETTER FOR US TO GET IT AND LOOK AT IT AND THEN DECIDE WHICH WAY WE GO RATHER THAN JUST TO SCHEDULE A WORK SESSION AT THIS POINT. CAUSE I DON'T THINK TIME IS CRITICAL AND I GUESS, ESPECIALLY WITHIN THE MIDDLE OF THE BUDGET AND THERE AGAIN, I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT LOOK AT THE 2015 PLAN AND THEN YOU SEE WHAT THEY PROPOSED FOR THE 20, THE 20 YEAR PERIOD. AND THEN WE CAN COORDINATE WITH MR. CARTER AND US, AND THEN THEIR PLANNING, UH, CAN COME UP. AND BY THAT TIME TOO, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DISCUSS MORE AS FAR AS THAT WEIGHTED SYSTEM, TOO, TO LOOK AT WHAT ROADS TAKE PRESIDENTS. SO MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE, GET THAT PLAN. LET'S DO ALL THIS AT ONCE. SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DRAG READ OUT UP HERE A COUPLE OF TIMES, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT MAY BE AN ALL, ALL NIGHTER, BUT AT LEAST THAT WOULD BE THERE. AND THEN BY LOOKING AT THAT BEFOREHAND, WE'D HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, SUBMIT QUESTIONS THAT, UH, BEAT OUT WOULD BE, UH, READY TO ANSWER A RESEARCH INSTEAD OF GOING BACK AND FORTH. JUST MY SUGGESTION. SO AGAIN, I WOULD WAIT TO HOLD OFF ON THAT TILL WE GET IT ALL WRAPPED UP TOGETHER. DID YOU SAY MS. UH, MS. LOGAN HAS THAT REPORT? YES. SO I'VE ASKED HER TO, IF SHE HAS AN AVAILABLE COPY RIGHT NOW, JUST TO BRING IT DOWN FOR YOU TO PERUSE. UH, BUT SHE DOES HAVE THAT PLAN AVAILABLE. OKAY. I DON'T THINK WE NECESSARILY HAVE TO LOOK AT IT TODAY, BUT SINCE SHE HAS IT WE'D, THAT WOULD GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK OVER THAT, MAKE A LIST OF OUR QUESTIONS AND SO FORTH AND STILL BE ABLE TO GO WITH FEBRUARY. I'D RATHER DO IT ON A MORNING BECAUSE OF THE, YEAH. AND IT DOESN'T [01:05:01] HAVE TO BE IN FEBRUARY. IT CAN BE LIKE, IT'D BE WHENEVER YOU ALL WANT TO. UH, THE RIGHT NOW, THE ONLY TIMELINE THAT WE'RE FACED WITH OKAY. IS GETTING, UH, THE SECONDARY SIX YEAR PLAN BACK SCHEDULE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING VIRTUAL SOMETIME IN MAY. RIGHT. SO I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM PUSHING IT OUT FURTHER, BUT I, NO, THAT'S FINE. BUT LIKE I SAID, WE'RE, WE'RE BUSY NOW WITH BUDGET AND IT'S GOING TO BE PRETTY INTENSE THERE TOO. AND THAT SHOULD BE OUR PRIMARY FOCUS IN MY OPINION. SO I THINK WE'LL, UM, WE'LL AIM OUT A LITTLE FURTHER, GIVE US TIME TO LOOK AT THAT AND DO IT ON A MORNING WHERE THEY'RE NOT LOOKING AT BEING SO LATE OR NIGHT OR HAVING TO STAY OVER. YOU'RE DOING FEBRUARY. WHAT ABOUT TOWARDS THE END OF THE MONTH? SAY FEBRUARY 30TH, WOULD YOU BE AVAILABLE THEN IF THERE WAS A FEBRUARY 30TH, YOU'RE QUICK, MOST PEOPLE START CHECKING THEIR CALENDAR. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU NEED FROM US MR. CARTER? UH, NO, I, I, UNLESS YOU ALL HAVE MORE QUESTIONS, I JUST, I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF BRING YOU UP TO SPEED ON WHERE WE'RE AT AND, UH, AND WHAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD. AND IF, UH, IT DAILY WOULD, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST HAVE MIKE GET AHOLD OF ME, WE CAN MOVE IN IN THE OTHER DIRECTION. IF YOU ALL DECIDE, THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. I THINK AT LEAST WE NEED TO TOO, SINCE IT'S BEEN SO LONG, WE NEED TO GET UPDATED AND LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE THOUGH THOSE ROADS NEED TO BE, THEY NEED TO BE CONSIDERED AGAIN IF THEY WERE NOT SUBMITTED, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE CAN LOOK AT MAYBE, EVEN AS FAR OUT AS MARCH, APRIL AND NO, MS. ROSSER ACTUALLY REACHED OUT TO ME VIA TEXT MESSAGES. SHE SENT ME THIS LINK. IT'S ONE OF THE TRANSPORTATION PLANS THAT'S AVAILABLE ON THE WARREN COUNTY WEBSITE. AND THIS IS ACTUALLY THE 20, 35 SMALL URBAN AREA MAP. SO IT'S, I MEAN, YOU CAN BLOW IT UP OBVIOUSLY, BUT THAT IS THE MAP THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR THE SECONDARY, FOR THE SMALLER URBAN ON THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE. OKAY. ONE OTHER THING, MR. CARTER, I'M GOING TO SIT ON HERE, TRANSPORTATION PRIMARY AND SECONDARY. YOU REALLY HAVEN'T TOUCHED ON THE PRIMARY. AND AGAIN, THAT MAY BE BEYOND THEIR CONTROL, BUT I, AS I TEND TO REMEMBER TOO, AND MAYBE WE LOOK AT THAT EVERY TWO YEARS, AS FAR AS PRIORITIZING, I THINK THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY ON THAT PLAN IS PROBABLY FOUR, FOUR LANDING, 55 EAST FROM THE TOWN TO OSMUND WAR ROAD. BUT THERE AGAIN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET INTO THAT NOW, BUT SOMETIME ALONG THE LINE, MAYBE YOU CAN SEND US WHAT THE LAST THING WAS ON THE, UH, THE PRIMARY. BUT I THINK WE LOOK AT THAT EVERY TWO YEARS, PRIMARY, THE COUNTY HAS TO SUBMIT SMART SCALE. OKAY. THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT ON THERE NAME, BUT WE HAVE PRIORITIES, BUT WE HAVE PRIORITIES FOR PRIMARY. YEAH, YOU DO. OKAY. OKAY. WE DON'T. OKAY. OKAY. UH, WE, WE CAN ADVISE YOU ON WHAT WE THINK, BUT THEY, THE ONLY, ONLY WAY FOR BIG PROJECTS NOW, OKAY. BEAT OUT CAN NOT SUBMIT ANY PROJECTS FOR FUNDING HAS TO BE THE LOCALITY. OKAY. CAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU MENTIONED TOO. AS FAR AS THE LEFT HAND TURN AT A HIGH KNOB, WHICH, YOU KNOW, IF IT EVER COMES TO FRUITION, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO HAVE THAT INCORPORATED WITH THE ENGINEERED DESIGN FOR THE WHOLE PIECE. AGAIN, THAT'S GOING TO BE DOWN THE ROAD. I THINK YOU SAID IT WAS 2.2. BY THE TIME THE FUNDING COMES AROUND, BE 3.3. SO SOME MAYBE STAFF CAN GET US THE LAST COPY OF THE, UM, THE PREVIOUS BOARDS, UH, PARTY ON THE SIX-YEAR PLAN FOR THE PRIMARY. LIKE I SAID, I THINK OUR STAFF HAS TO DO THAT. UM, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL SEND YOU WHAT I HAVE. OKAY. IT'S LIKE I SAID, I WANT TO SAY THAT IT WAS AT FIRST PORTION OF 55 EAST AND THE NEXT ONE IN LINE WAS THE SECOND PORTION. I KNOW, YEARS AND YEARS AGO THEY HAD A SIX YEAR PLAN WAS I THINK FOUR LANEING, THREE 40 SOUTH, ALL THE WAY TO THE WARREN COUNTY LINE THAT KIND OF PUT BY THE WAYSIDE. AND WHAT THEY WANT TO DO IS JUST COMPLETE THE BRIDGES. WELL, YOU ALL SUBMITTED A SIX, YOU ALL SUBMITTED A SMART SCALE PROJECT, FOUR LANE, 55 DIFFERENT. RIGHT. AND, AND, UH, BUT THERE WAS NO WAY IT COULD GET SCREENED IN. I MEAN, IT JUST, IT COULDN'T COMPETE. RIGHT. [01:10:01] OKAY. AND, AND ONCE IT DOESN'T GET SCREENED IN, IF YOU DON'T SUBMIT IT AGAIN, THEN IT JUST GOES AWAY. IF YOU SUBMIT IT EVERY YEAR, UH, YOU KNOW, UNLESS CIRCUMSTANCES CHANGE, YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO GET. AND THAT THAT'S ONE REASON THAT THE, UH, THE LEFT TURN LANE AND THE WORK AT HIGH LOB, BECAUSE IT CAME IN MUCH SMALLER AND THE BENEFIT TO COST RATIO MADE IT, UH, SOMETHING THAT, THAT YOU COULD SALE. RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME, HUH. WELL, WE CERTAINLY, I WILL BE BACK IN TOUCH AS SOON AS, UH, WE HAVE SOME REVENUE FORECAST, THEN WE'LL HAVE A MUCH BETTER FEEL FOR MR. ROCKY. IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN HOW A, A VIRTUAL PUBLIC HEARING WILL WORK, THERE IS, UH, WE'RE HAVING ONE ON A, THE THREE 13 EXIT BRIDGE WITH PLACEMENT PROJECT IN FREDERICK COUNTY ON THE 26TH OF THIS MONTH. IF YOU WANT TO GO ONLINE AND GET A FEEL FOR THAT, PLEASE FEEL FREE. WHAT WAS THAT DATE AGAIN? IS IT A ZOOM CALL WHEN YOU CAN SEE EVERYBODY? UH, I GUESS YOU'LL BE ABLE TO FEED THE ONE. I'M NOT REALLY SURE. THERE'S A VIDEO OUT ON THE NEXT HOUR NEXT DOOR, JASON. OKAY. THAT WAS MY QUESTION. SO WE WANT TO, OKAY. AND [D. Discussion – Various Annual Term Contracts – Caitlin Jordan/Keith McLiverty 1. Moseley Architects 2. Frazier Associates 3. Frederick Andreae Architects 4. Land Planning & Design Associates 5. Davenport & Company] THAT WOULD BE DISCUSSION ON THE VARIOUS ANNUAL TERM CONTRACTS. YES. AND MS. JORDAN IS AVAILABLE ON GOOGLE MEET AND MR. MC LIBERTY, I BELIEVE DR. DAILY IS GETTING HIM NOW. OKAY. OKAY. UH, GIDDY. GOOD EVENING FORWARD. GOOD EVENING. HOW ARE YOU DOING WELL? HURRY. Y'ALL UM, SO FIVE OF THE COUNTY'S PROFESSIONAL SERVICES CONTRACTS HAVE EXPIRED OR ARE EXPIRING THAT THE COUNTY HAS THE OPTION TO RENEW THESE CONTRACTS FOR MOSTLY ARCHITECTS, FRAZIER ASSOCIATES, FREDERICK, ANDREA ARCHITECTS, AND WAY IN PLANNING AND DESIGN. SO ASSOCIATES, THE COUNTY HAS THE OPTION TO RENEW THEIR CONTRACT FOR ONE MORE YEAR. IF THE BOARD APPROVES THIS RENEWAL STAFF WILL HAVE TO PUT OUT A NEW REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS NEXT YEAR FOR DAVENPORT AND COMPANY, THE COUNTY HAS THE OPTION TO RENEW THEIR CONTRACT FOR FOUR MORE ADDITIONAL YEARS AFTER THIS YEAR. UM, BUT THAT'S ONLY IF THE COUNTY SO CHOOSES THESE RENEWALS. FIRST CAME BEFORE THE BOARD DURING THE JANUARY 5TH MEETING. AND A QUESTION WAS RAISED REGARDING WHEN THE COUNTY FIRST STARTED UTILIZING FOR EACH PROVIDER, AS WELL AS A QUESTION REGARDING THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS FOR THESE CONTRACTS. THE COUNTY FIRST CONTRACTED WITH MOSTLY IN JULY OF 2009 FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING PROJECT. AND THE FIRST ANNUAL TERM CONTRACT WAS EXECUTED IN DECEMBER OF 2011. UH, THE FIRST CONTRACT THE COUNTY HAD WITH FRAZIER ASSOCIATES WAS THE ANNUAL TERM CONTRACT DATED IN JANUARY, 2017. UM, THE EARLIEST WORK THAT WE COULD LOCATE WAS IN 2006, WHEN FREDERICK DID WORK ON THE OLD WORK-RELEASE DETENTION CENTER. UM, I APOLOGIZE. I I'M SORRY. I WAS DOING SO [01:15:01] FRAZIER ASSOCIATES. WE FIRST STARTED WORKING WITH THEM IN JANUARY, 2007, FREDERICK ANDREA ARCHITECTS. WE STARTED DOING WORK WITH THEM IN 2006 FOR THE OLD WORK-RELEASE DETENTION CENTER, BUT THE FIRST ANNUAL CONTRACT ANNUAL TERM CONTRACT WAS IN DECEMBER OF 2011. THE FIRST CONTRACT THE COUNTY HAD WITH LPGA WAS, UH, IN JULY OF 2005, WHICH WAS FOR THE CREATION OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN. AND THE FIRST ANNUAL TERM CONTRACT WAS IN DECEMBER, 2011. ALL OF THESE, UM, WERE ENTERED AFTER AN RFP WAS ISSUED, UM, BY, BY THE COUNTY AND A REVIEW COMMITTEE WAS ESTABLISHED TO REVIEW THE PROPOSAL THAT THE COUNTY RECEIVED BASED ON THEIR REVIEW AND THE SCORING CRITERIA. THEY MADE THE RECOMMENDATION. THE COMMITTEE MADE THE RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD, UM, TO CONTRACT WITH MOSTLY FRAZIER, FREDERICK AND LPGA. AND, UM, THAT A COPY OF THAT RFP WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET AS WELL AS AN MEMO THAT MR. ROCKY, UM, CREATED TO PROVIDE YOU WITH ALL OF THIS INFORMATION. UM, THE, THE ONE I DIDN'T MENTION WAS DAB IMPORTANT COMPANY. THE COUNTY FIRST UTILIZED FINANCIAL ADVISORY SERVICES FROM THEM BEGINNING IN 2003, UM, FOUR DAVENPORT. THE COUNTY DID NOT ISSUE ITS OWN RFP, BUT THROUGH THE USE OF CORPORATE PROCUREMENT, WHICH IS AUTHORIZED BY THE STATE CODE, UM, WE, THE COUNTY CONTRACTED SERVICES WITH DAVENPORT THROUGH THE RFP THAT WAS ISSUED BY DINWIDDIE COUNTY IN 2015, THE BOARD APPROVED THE CONTRACT WHEN AUTHORIZED BY THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO SIGN THE CONTRACT WITH THAT PORT WITH THAT, I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY ADDITION, ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS THE BOARD MAY HAVE REGARDING THE CONTRACTS OR THE RFPS. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? DO YOU WANT TO TAKE THESE, ANY QUESTIONS ON THE MOSLEY ARCHITECTS, RAZOR ASSOCIATES? I JUST, I'M VERY SURE ASSOCIATES I'VE. I KNOW THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE WITH, UM, MOSLEY AND MR. ANDRAY, UM, LP DA, WHAT KIND OF THINGS HAS PHRASED YOU'RE DONE? CAUSE I, I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT. UH, WE UTILIZE THEM MORE FOR WAYFINDING SIGNAGE WHEN THEY WERE DOING, UM, WORK WITH THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL ON THE WAYFINDING SIGNAGE. WE BROUGHT THEM IN BECAUSE THEY DO SPECIALIZE IN THAT. UM, THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT I'M AWARE THAT WE'VE USED THEM FOR, AND THAT, UM, WAS HANDLED THROUGH MS. LOGAN. UM, THEY DO OTHER OFFER OTHER SERVICES, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY ONE I'M AWARE THAT WE'VE UTILIZED. OKAY. THEY ARE DOING THE TOWNS, A FACADE PROJECT DOWN THERE UNDER A SEPARATE CONTRACT. IF YOU'VE SEEN THAT, WHERE THE FACADES ARE BEING REDONE DOWN THERE. YES. FRAZIER IS THE ARCHITECT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION ON LAND PLANNING AND DESIGN ASSOCIATES? BECAUSE I KNOW WE USE THEM FOR THE BOAT LANDINGS AND HOW, WHAT OTHER KIND OF, UH, WE'VE DONE EASTERN PARK, ROCKLAND PARK, UM, AT APPALACHIA TRAIL CONNECTOR, OUR BOAT LANDINGS, UM, A LOT OF OUR PLANS FOR PARKS AND REC. UM, AT ANY TIME WE NEED A GRAPHIC THAT JUST BASICALLY SHOWS THE PROPOSED LAYOUT OF A BOAT LANDING OR A PARK. UM, THEY DESIGNED THE GRAPHICS FOR US AND COME UP WITH A COST ESTIMATE. I BELIEVE THAT WHEN WE ORIGINALLY LOOKED AT THIS, WE DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF THIS INFORMATION OR ANY OF THIS INFORMATION. AND AFTER READING IT, IT WAS, I MEAN, IT BROUGHT A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS TO LIGHT BECAUSE THAT WAS THE QUESTION AND I'M SEEING ALL OF IT AND I DON'T SEE ANYTHING OUT OF IT. I, I AGREE. I THINK IT JUST PRUDENT ON OUR PART TO GET THIS BACKGROUND INFORMATION BEFORE JUST, OKAY, WELL, IT'S BEEN VOTED ON TWO YEARS. WE JUST GO AHEAD AND PASS IT THROUGH. AND I AGREE. I DON'T SEE ANYTHING I'M CONCERNED OVER EITHER. UM, FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN, I DIDN'T REALIZE THE FRAZIER ONE, BUT, UM, HAVE SEEN THE WAYFINDING SIGNS AND THEY DO NICE WORK. SO, UM, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER? [01:20:01] UM, NO, NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. NO DIAGRAMS. YEAH. THE DESIGN IS THERE AND WE'RE IN THE NEGOTIATIONS, UM, TO HAVE THEM DEVELOPED FOR US CONSTRUCTED. NO, THAT WAS, I, I DIDN'T MAKE MYSELF CLEAR, SORRY, ON CONTRACT AS AN AS NEEDED BASIS. SO WE ESTABLISH A CERTAIN BASELINE WITH THEM AND THEN IF WE NEED THEM, WE CAN TRACK THEM. AND THEY'RE ALREADY IN THE QUEUE FOR THAT. THAT'S CORRECT. AND I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND INITIALLY WHAT I THOUGHT INITIALLY IS THAT WE, THEY WERE ON A RETAINER AND WE PAID THEM A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY TO STAY ON RETAINER. NO, MA'AM I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT THE ARRANGEMENT. YES. AND, UM, AS I HAD SAID, LAST TIME, ANYTHING THAT GOES OVER THE THRESHOLD IN OUR PROCUREMENT POLICY FOR YOUR APPROVAL DOES STILL COME IN FRONT OF YOU REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT WE USE THE ANNUAL TERM CONTRACTOR, WE BID IT. RIGHT. AND NOW I GET IT ALL. AND I'M THANKFUL. THANK YOU. SO WE'LL PUT THE CONTRACTS BACK ON NEXT WEEK. YES, SIR. OKAY. AND WE'LL PUT THEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA UNLESS SOMEBODY HAS A QUESTION. OKAY. WHAT ABOUT THAT IMPORTANT? I THINK THAT WAS MY NEXT ONE. DAVIN FORD. ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION CONCERNS ON THAT ONE? KEITH, ANY COMMENTS? UH, ALL I WOULD SAY IS, YOU KNOW, I'M NEW HERE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IT JUST ONE YEAR AND THEN DO AN RFQ. UM, WE DID HAVE SOME NOTES, SALES AND BOND FINANCING. UM, JUST OVER A YEAR, WE DO HAVE A, I BELIEVE WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO THE MARKET FOR BY THE GRADE AND OUR NEXT STEP WOULD BE FINANCING. SO KEEPING THEM ON BOARD WITH THE HISTORIC KNOWLEDGE MIGHT BE THE POOL AND THEN GO TO THE MARKET. AND BASICALLY THESE CONTRACTS ARE ONE YEAR PLUS FOUR YEAR OR FOUR, ONE YEAR RENEWAL. SO WE WILL BE PUTTING THEM ALL OUT PROBABLY AGAIN FOR RFP. YEAH, I WOULD SAY LATE SUMMER. SO, UM, ON RFP SHOULD BE ISSUED AND THAT'LL GIVE TIME FOR THE PROPOSALS TO COME IN THE REVIEW COMMITTEE TO REVIEW EVERYTHING, INTERVIEW ALL THE FIRMS, RANK THEM, UM, AND THEN AWARD THE CONTRACTS. AND I KNOW WITH DAVENPORT WHEN THERE'S OTHER FIRMS IN THE STATE TO DO THE SAME THING, BUT THEY'VE BEEN VERY GOOD AS FAR AS THE SCHOOL BONDING OTHER BONDS AND THEY KEEP TRACK OF IT. AND WHEN THE BASIS POINTS HIT A CERTAIN THRESHOLD, THEY COME TO US AND SAY, LOOK, WE THINK WE CAN SAVE THIS MUCH MONEY. AND THEY PROBABLY SAVED US MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OVER THE YEARS AND DEBT SERVICE. SO HAVE BEEN VERY, VERY GOOD, UH, FOR, FOR WARREN COUNTY BECAUSE THERE, AGAIN, NO MATTER WHO THE ADMINISTRATOR MIGHT BE, THEY DON'T HAVE TIME TO KEEP CHECKING THE MARKETS. AND THAT'S WHERE DAVENPORT REALLY PLAYS A VERY IMPORTANT ROLE. AND IT DON'T ONLY, ONLY THING IS EVERY TIME IT SEEMS LIKE, UH, TED COLE COMES TO US. HE SAID, THESE ARE THE LOWEST RATES. AND THEN SIX MONTHS LATER, HE'S BACK WITH EVEN LOWER RATES, BUT WHO CAN PREDICT THAT. BUT, YOU KNOW, AND THEN SOMETIMES IT MAKES SENSE TO, TO REFINANCE. SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T JUST LIKE, I THINK THIS BOARD HAS SEEN ONE OF THE LAST ITERATIONS OF THAT. SO IT ULTIMATELY IS THEIR CHOICE. SO I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF PUTTING IT BACK ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND APPROVAL. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, TONY? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, AT THAT POINT, I THINK THAT CONCLUDES UNLESS SOMEONE HAS SOMETHING ELSE FOR OUR, UM, WORK SESSION AND JASON [C. Discussion – Ordinance to Repeal Section 56-3 of the Warren County Code re: Address by Nonmembers – Jason Ham] IS STILL ON IN SHENANDOAH COUNTY. BUT DO YOU WANT TO DISCUSS, TALK ABOUT IT? YEAH. CAN YOU WANT TO JUST TALK ABOUT IT KIND OF CONFLICTS WITH YOUR PROCEDURES AND IT'S NOT KIND OF REDUNDANT IN THE CODE. THIS CAME UP IN 2018, MAYBE OR 20, 19, 2018. I WAS CHAIR OR WHATEVER, BUT AN INDIVIDUAL CAME TO US AND WE TRY TO ALLOW HIM ENOUGH TIME TO SPEAK OR WHATEVER. AND THEN HE BROUGHT UP THE SECTION 56 THREE, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY WAS AWARE THAT THAT WAS ON THE BOOKS AND YOU GOT THE BACKGROUND MATERIAL, BUT WHAT IT SAYS THERE IS THAT, UH, IF ANY TWO BOARD MEMBERS WISH TO ALLOW SOMEBODY TO SPEAK, THEY CAN NO TIME LIMIT NO SUBJECT MATTER. AND THAT CAME ABOUT PROBABLY IN THE SEVENTIES, [01:25:02] EARLY TO MID SEVENTIES. WHEN A GENTLEMAN CAME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, HE WAS NOT ALLOWED TO THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK OR ADDRESS THEM. SO AT THAT TIME, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ADOPTED THIS, UM, CODE SECTION. AND I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IT'S IN THE MINUTES. I MAY HAVE JUST SPEND ON THE BOARD THEN, BUT WE TRIED TO ADJUST THAT BECAUSE BASICALLY THE BOARD'S POLICIES AND PROCEDURES WERE A LOT MORE LENIENT ON WHO COULD SPEAK. YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO HAVE TWO PEOPLE ON THE BOARD, ALLOW SOMEBODY TO SPEAK. SO AT THAT TIME WE TRIED TO, UH, COORDINATE IT WHERE THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO DO. THEY WOULD HAVE MORE FLEXIBILITY IN, IN, IN SPEAKING. UM, I, AGAIN, I THINK SOME OF THAT'S IN THERE, BUT PERSONALLY I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP SOMETHING WE NEED TO REWRITE SECTION 56, THREE AND MAKE IT FAIRLY BROADENED TO ENSURE THAT FUTURE BOARDS WILL ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK. UM, AGAIN, WHEN THIS WAS BROUGHT UP, I DON'T THINK PEOPLE UNDERSTOOD COMPLETELY. THEY THOUGHT WE WERE TRYING TO, UH, CURTAIL THEIR, UH, OPPORTUNITY WHEN IN EFFECT WE WERE TRYING TO ACTUALLY BROADEN IT. SO MY THOUGHTS WOULD BE IN THERE AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING, OBVIOUSLY WHAT THE BOARD'S PLEASURE IS, WHERE WE COULD TALK TO JASON. I DID TALK TO HIM BRIEFLY. HE FELT LIKE MAYBE WE JUST HAD TO SCRAP THE WHOLE THING. UH, I KNOW SOMEBODY HAD MENTIONED THAT, UH, THIS WOULD BE AN INFRINGEMENT ON PEOPLE'S, UH, FREEDOM OF SPEECH, BUT I THINK TECHNICALLY A FUTURE BOARD COULD JUST SAY, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANY PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS. UM, AND I JUST THINK THAT, THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOMETHING IN THE CODE. IT SAYS PARAPHRASING THAT THE PUBLIC HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AT EVERY REGULAR BOARD MEETING PURSUANT TO WHAT THE WARD'S POLICIES ARE AT THAT TIME. WE ADOPTED THE POLICIES THIS PAST WELL PAST MEETING. AND I THINK IT'S 60 MINUTES, WE'RE GOING THROUGH DIFFERENT, UH, THINGS. I THINK AT ONE POINT IT WAS 20 MINUTES OR THE MAX OF THREE. SO TO ME, THE, THE, THE, THE BEST WAY TO GO FORWARD WOULD, WOULD HAVE THAT THIS SECTION WOULD SAY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AT THEIR ANNUAL ORGANIZATION MEETING, WE'LL HAVE A SECTION SET OFF FOR THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK. AND A FUTURE BOARD COULD DETERMINE THE LENGTH OF TIME, THE, UM, WHERE IT WOULD SET ON THE AGENDA. AND THERE, AGAIN, I DON'T FORESEE, WELL, YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT NOWADAYS, BUT IT WOULD BE HARD PRESSED, I THINK, FOR A FUTURE BOARD TO DENY THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK, BUT IN THEORY, IT COULD HAPPEN AND BY CODIFYING IT, THEY WOULD BE FORCED TO DO IT NOW, IN THEORY TO FUTURE WORK, YOU'D GO AHEAD AND SCRAP THAT WHOLE THING TOO. BUT I THINK THAT WOULD MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT BECAUSE THEN THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE AT LEAST A PUBLIC HEARING TO DO THAT. SO THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS. UM, UH, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT AN EXCEPTION TO THE RULE? WHAT EXCEPTION, IF TWO BOARD MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, A BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WANT TO TALK OR ALLOW SOMEBODY TO TALK FOR MORE THAN THREE MINUTES AND IT DESERVES MORE THAN THREE MINUTES? CAN WE NOT? I AGREE TO IT. YOU CAN, WELL, I MEAN, WE'VE, WE'VE GOT OUR RULES ALREADY LAID OUT, RIGHT? YOU COULD KEEP IT ON THERE AND THAT WOULD MAKE SURE, OR I THINK IT'S UP TO THE CHAIRMAN'S DISCRETION TOO. AND I THINK THAT LAST MEETING, THE CHAIR WOMAN ALLOWED THE PERSON TO TALK LONGER THAN THE THREE MINUTES. AND THERE, AGAIN, I THINK IN WHAT I'VE SEEN, YOU KNOW, RARELY IF EVER WE TRIED TO CUT SOMEBODY OFF OR WE HAVE TRIED TO DO IS SAY, PLEASE WRAP IT UP IN THE WHOLE THING, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN KEEP THAT ON THERE, BUT THAT KIND OF GETS A LITTLE DIFFICULT TOO. SO THERE, AGAIN, MY, MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, SAY THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A PLACE ON THE AGENDA FOR PUBLIC PRESENTATION AND THERE'LL BE PURSUANT TO THE RULES THAT, THAT BOARD ADOPTS AT THEIR JANUARY MEETING. AND AGAIN, IF SOMEBODY COMES IN DURING THE PUBLIC PRESENTATION AND THEY HAVE A LOT MORE, UM, THINGS THEY'D LIKE TO SAY THE CHAIR CAN ALLOW IT, AND THEN THE CHAIR COULD ALSO BE OVERRULED BY A MAJORITY OF THE BOARD, IN MY OPINION. YEAH. SO, I MEAN, UH, THE CHAIRWOMAN SAYS, OKAY, YOUR TIME'S UP. AND THEN THREE OF US SAY, WELL, WE'D LIKE TO HEAR MORE AND THEY WOULD BE EXPANDED. I THINK, YOU KNOW, IS AS A RULE STAND NOW, UM, WE HAVE A MAX [01:30:01] OF 60 MINUTES AND WE TRY TO KEEP IT DOWN TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON. SO, UM, BUT THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHTS IS THAT HELP THAT IT HELPS ME UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE SOMETIMES THERE'S A REQUIREMENT RIGHT NOW. THERE MAY BE ONLY TWO PEOPLE THAT WANT TO TALK. ONE OF THEM HAS A VERY QUICK STATEMENT. THE OTHER ONE MAY HAVE A LONG DISSERTATION AND WE'VE GOT TO DECIDE IF WE'RE GOING TO LET IT BE LISTENED TO. AND I THINK THAT THE CONCERN THERE IS LIKE KEEPING THAT ORDINANCE SECTION 56, THREE ON THERE THAT COULD DEVOLVE WHERE ALL IT WOULD TAKE WOULD BE TO MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD TO LET PEOPLE SPEAK. AND THERE'S NO TIME LIMIT ON IT. UH, AS I SEE IT, YOU KNOW, WE ALLOW PEOPLE TO SPEAK TO OUR PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS AND PUBLIC HEARINGS, BUT IN THEORY, UM, WE COULD GET TO, UH, AGENDA ITEM L IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING AND SOMEBODY WAVES THEIR HAND, THEY WANT TO SPEAK. AND TWO OF US SAY, OKAY, WE'LL LET YOU SPEAK. SO IT GETS A LITTLE BIT DISORGANIZED AGAIN. THEY WOULD HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY BEFORE. AND AGAIN, I'M NOT GONNA LEAVE THIS BOARD ONCE TO CURTAIL ANYBODY'S RIGHT. TO VOICE THEIR OPINION. CORRECT. SO, AND, UH, AND BASICALLY ISN'T THAT WHAT 56 THREE IS SAYING THAT ANY ORDERLY PERSON UPON RECOGNITION BY THE PRESIDING OFFICER TO ADDRESS THE BOARD AT ANY TIME DURING THE MEETING. UM, SO THAT WOULD BE SAY, LIKE YOU SAY, WE'RE ON L AND SOMEBODY'S LIKE, OH, I JUST THOUGHT OF SOMETHING AND RAISES HER HAND AND SAID, YOU KNOW, WHERE IF WE TAKE THIS AWAY, YES, I COULD SAY, OR WHOEVER'S THE CHAIR. DOES EVERYBODY AGREE TO ALLOW THIS AND GET THE SAME THING? BUT I GUESS THE PUBLIC FEELS BY HAVING THIS, THEY HAVE A LITTLE MORE STRENGTH TO REQUEST THAT VERSUS WITHOUT IT, IT ENSURES IT, THAT THE QUESTION THAT I WOULD HAVE ABOUT 56 DASH THREE IS WHY IT'S ONLY TWO SUPERVISORS. WHY IT ISN'T A MAJORITY OF SUPERVISOR THAT WOULD BE MY WHOLE ONLY. AND WE CHANGED TO IT. I THINK THAT 56 DOT THREE IS THERE FOR A PURPOSE. UM, AND IT ENSURES THAT PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO REDRESS THEIR GOVERNMENT. THE THING THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS WHY IT'S NOT A MAJORITY AND A WAY TO, RIGHT. IT'S ONLY TWO WOULD MEAN THAT, BUT MAYBE THAT'S TO PROTECT THE MINORITY ON THE BOARD. SO I'M GOING TO THINK, I HAVE TO THINK THIS THROUGH. YEAH, HE HAS LOTS OF IMPLICATIONS. I THINK YOU'RE CORRECT ON THAT. AND I THINK THE DANGER THAT YOU RUN INTO BY KEEPING IT AS IS IN THEORY, YOU WIND UP TURNING EVERY AGENDA ITEM INTO A PUBLIC HEARING, AND THEN WE COULD GET SOMEBODY THAT LIKES TO COME TO THE MEETINGS AND LIKES TO SEE THEMSELVES ON TV AND LIKES TO TALK. AND THERE, AGAIN, I THINK THIS BOARD WOULD BE MORE OR LESS IN REASON, BUT AGAIN, YOU CAN GET A FUTURE BOARD AND THEY'RE GOING TO LET ANYBODY AND EVERYBODY TALK FOR AS LONG AS THEY WANT. AND AGAIN, THERE'S NO TIME LIMIT ON THAT, SO THEY CAN COME IN AND ACTUALLY MONOPOLIZE OR, UH, UH, THE ENTIRE MEETING. AND AGAIN, IT'S, IT HAS ITS PITFALLS. UM, AND, AND I CAN SEE, I CAN S I CAN SEE WE'RE HAVING A MAJORITY WOULD SHUT IT DOWN BECAUSE ONE PERSON, IF THEY DIDN'T WANT TO HEAR THAT PERSON, THEN COULD THAT ONE VOTE AGAINST, BUT I WOULD THINK THREE WOULD BE THE THREE TO TWO, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE THREE TO PASS ANYTHING ELSE. UM, SO THAT NUMBER IS A LITTLE INTERESTING, BUT, YOU KNOW, I, I GUESS I SEE IT AS PROTECT THE MINORITY INTEREST OF THE BOARD, RIGHT. THERE ARE TWO PEOPLE AND THEY WHO AGREE ON SOMETHING ON THE BOARD AND THEY HAVE SOMEBODY WHO'S SUPPORTING SOMETHING. RIGHT. YOU CAN SHUT DOWN THE TWO. EXACTLY. SO YOU HA YOU HAVE TO REALLY WEIGH THIS. THIS IS IMPORTANT. YES, SIR. AN IMPORTANT ISSUE, 60 MINUTES. AND YOU DO, YOU DO, YOU CAN COME IN AND, AND TALK ABOUT WHATEVER THEY WOULD LIKE TO TELL THEM. THEN WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO THE BOARDS, BUSINESS REALLY NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY ACCEPTABLE AND URGENT, NOT SOMEBODY WHO COMES IN ME WITH JUST LIKE, RIGHT, RIGHT. AND I AGREE. I TOTALLY AGREE WITH WHEN WE GIVE THAT AMOUNT OF TIME, I GUESS I'M THINKING OF THE PERSON THAT, UM, COMES IN LATE, DIDN'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE MAYBE WORK OR WHATEVER, AND MAYBE I'M TRYING TO BE TOO ACCOMMODATING ON THAT, BUT, UM, CAN ALWAYS MAKE AN EXCEPTION, EXCEPTION. AND THEN IF [01:35:01] THEY ARE RUNNING LATE, I MEAN, I FIND THAT MOST PEOPLE COME BEFORE, AS IN THEIR PUBLIC PRESENTATION, THEY ARE PREPARED TO ADDRESS US. I MEAN, A LOT OF THEM HAVE WRITTEN NOTES, THE WHOLE THING. SO THEY ARE READY IN THAT RARE INSTANCE WHERE SOMEBODY GETS STUCK IN TRAFFIC OR, OR WHATEVER. THERE'S OTHER AVENUES THAT THEY CAN GO AHEAD. AND IN SOMEHOW, I DON'T KNOW, TEXTS, EMAIL, ONE OF US TEXT, EMAIL ON A STAFF AND SAY, LOOK, I'M RUNNING BEHIND. I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THIS WHEN I GET THERE, WOULD YOU PLEASE ACCOMMODATE ME? SO I THINK THERE'S OTHER AVENUES IN TODAY'S, UH, ELECTRONIC WORLD FOR THEM TO DO THAT. AGAIN, I, I WOULD JUST AS WELL HAVE SOMETHING IN THERE THAT GUARANTEES THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A PUBLIC PRESENTATION PERIOD. I DON'T KNOW. AGAIN, I WOULD LEAVE THE PARAMETERS UP TO A FUTURE BOARD BECAUSE WHAT WE MAY FIND, UH, IN THE FUTURE IS THAT 60 MINUTES IS MORE THAN ENOUGH TIME OR 60 MINUTES MAY NOT BE ENOUGH TIME. SO A FUTURE BOARD IS GOING TO HAVE TO ADDRESS IT BASED ON WHAT THE, UH, THE ENVIRONMENT WILL BE OUT THERE. THEN I'M SORRY, THE DAY WILL DICTATE. RIGHT? SO AGAIN, MY, MY THOUGHT IS TO KEEP SOMETHING IN PLACE, BUT I WOULD GET RID OF THE TWO AND ALL LIKE THAT AND MAKE IT IN, SAY IN OUR MEETINGS, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE THAT IN OUR CODE OR NOT TAKE THE COUNTY COUNCIL CHARTER KIND OF LAID OUT WHAT THEIR AGENDA WAS SUPPOSED TO BE. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THAT IN OURS, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING AT LEAST BY PUTTING THIS IN THERE, UH, IT WOULD BE A GUARANTEED THAT IT COULD BE ON A PUBLIC PRESENTATION. AND IF IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE WHAT HAPPENED, AND I THINK IT WAS LIKE 1973. SO WE DIDN'T FIND OUT ABOUT THAT TILL 45 YEARS LATER, THAT WAS ACTUALLY ON THE BOOKS. SO IF WE CHANGE THIS, NOW, IT MAY BE ANOTHER 45 YEARS BEFORE PEOPLE REALIZE THAT TOO. BUT THE MAIN THING, AND I THINK WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT. THERE IS WE WANT TO ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON ANY ITEM ON THE AGENDA, EXCLUDING, AND EVEN HAVE TO BE ON THE AGENDA, BUT EXCLUDING THE, UM, THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, BECAUSE THERE IS AN AMPLE OPPORTUNITY THERE TOO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WHAT PROCEDURES YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW? WOULD YOU BE SUBJECT? WELL, I WOULDN'T PUT, I WOULDN'T PUT WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IN THERE, BECAUSE THAT COULD BE SUBJECT TO CHANGE, BUT TO PUT IN THERE SOMEWHERE, THE OTHER, THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC PRESENTATION AT EACH AND EVERY REGULAR BOARD MEETING OTHER THE SUPERVISORS PURSUANT TO WHAT THAT BOARD DECIDES AND THEIR POLICY AND PROCEDURES AT THE FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY. AND I'M NOT GETTING PAID BY THE WORD. SO, SO IT'S THIS REPEALED. THIS WILL HAS TO BE REPEALED BY PUBLIC HEARINGS AND JASON AND JASON HAS PREPARED SOME ALTERNATIVE. I'M ASSUMING. YEAH. I SPOKE WITH JASON. I'M NOT TRYING TO WHATEVER HE FELT LIKE, JUST GET RID OF IT COMPLETELY. AND AGAIN, WITH HIS EXPERIENCE WITH OTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, I DON'T BELIEVE OTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENTS HAVE THIS SECTION IN THEIR CODE. BUT AGAIN, THIS CAME ABOUT IN THE SEVENTIES WHEN THERE, THEY DIDN'T ALLOW PEOPLE. AND RIGHT NOW I THINK MOST BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, UH, ALLOW PUBLIC PRESENTATION IN SOME FASHION. SO THIS IS PLANNED TO BE ON OUR JANUARY 19TH AGENDA TO ADVERTISE FOR FEBRUARY. SO, SO THERE'S A, AN SO IN HERE WHERE JASON HAS 56 DASH THREE, IT SAYS DURING THE PUBLIC PRESENTATION COMMENT, PERIOD SPEAKERS WISHING TO ADDRESS THE BOARD SHOW CLEARLY STATE THEIR NAME AND ADDRESS SPEAKER SHALL LIMIT THEIR REMARKS TO FIVE MINUTES AND MAY NOT ANY UNUSED PORTION, UM, OF THEIR SPEAKING, TOM TO OTHERS. EACH SPEAKER SHALL BE LIMITED TO ONE APPEARANCE AT EACH REGULAR MEETING OF THE BOARD. SO JASON HAS INCLUDED THAT IN HERE UNDER 56 DASH THREE. SO I'M CONFUSED IS THAT NEW IS THAT RECOMMENDED IS THAT HE MADE THE IT'S UNDERLYING, HE'S GOT PROPOSED TO BE ADDED AS UNDERLINED. SO THIS IS HIS PROPOSAL. NO, SO THAT WAS ACTUALLY, I THOUGHT, NO, THAT WAS BACK IN 2018 OR 2000. AND SO THAT'S AFTER THE COVER SHEET RIGHT BEFORE THAT IS THE ACTUAL DATE FROM WHEN THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL PROPOSED AMENDMENTS. WHEN THIS WAS ORIGINALLY BROUGHT UP A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, THOSE ARE NOT MR. HAM'S RECOMMENDED EDITS. THOSE ARE THE ONES FROM THE LAST TIME. THAT WAS WHAT WAS BROUGHT UP AT THE PUBLIC HEARING. WE HIT ON THIS IN 2018. I APOLOGIZE FOR THE CONFUSION THAT WAS HISTORY. NO, LIKE I SAID, MY CONVERSATION WITH JASON, I'M NOT TRYING TO MISCHARACTERIZE IT, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING WAS HE WOULD JUST AS WELL GET RID OF THE TOTAL SECTION. BUT AGAIN, WE DISAGREE SOMEWHAT YESTERDAY, SO THEY POSTPONED CHANGING IT. IS THAT WHAT HAPPENED? OH, DIDN'T I THINK [01:40:01] WE CAME BACK, UH, WITH FURTHER, FURTHER ALLITERATIONS OF IT. AND AT THAT TIME IT DIDN'T GO ANYWHERE. SO IT, IT STAYED AS IT WAS. SO WE HAD A PUBLIC HEARING, WE POSTPONED IT FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION INPUT AND WE JUST LEFT IT AS IT WAS AT THAT TIME. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT YOU'D HAVE TO DO. YEAH. BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING WITH IT. AND IF WE HAVE TO PUSH THE PUBLIC HEARING BACK TO MARCH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE OKAY TOO, BECAUSE I MEAN, SURE. JASON KIND OF CRAFT SOMETHING BASED ON OUR CONVERSATIONS AND THEN, YOU KNOW, CAUSE WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND PUT OUT THERE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING IS ACCURATE AS WE CAN, AND WE CAN ALWAYS MAKE CHANGES AS LONG AS IT'S NOT SUBSTANTIAL. RIGHT. WELL, WE CAN LOOK AT THOSE ON JANUARY 19TH, IF WE'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THEM, WE'LL POSTPONE THE PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL WE GET COMFORTABLE. OKAY. SO YEAH. ALL RIGHT. IF NOTHING ELSE THEN DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN OUR WORK SESSION MOTION SECOND, SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. SO WE NEED TO STAY IN WORK SESSION TIL SIX, OR WE CAN TAKE A BREAK AND THAT'S WHAT I'M RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. YOU GET NOT QUITE 20 MINUTES. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND LET YOU GET [E. Budget Presentations from Partner Agencies 6:00 PM – Samuels Public Library 6:30 PM – Economic Development Authority 7:00 PM – Warren County Health Department 7:30 PM – Northwestern Community Services] STARTED. AND I APOLOGIZE. I KNOW MRS. OATES IS THE ONE, BUT IF YOU COULD, SURE. MY NAME IS MICHELLE ROSS AND I AM THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF SAMUEL'S PUBLIC LIBRARY. SO THIS IS MY FIRST TIME DOING ONE OF THESE. SO EVERYONE RECEIVED A COPY OF OUR SUBMISSION ALREADY AND HAS A COPY OF THE BUDGET. AND I WILL CUT TO THE CHASE IN WHERE THE INCREASES ARE, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT PEOPLE ARE MOST INTERESTED IN. AND SO THE MEAN, CAUSE OF THE INCREASE THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS STAFF SALARIES. WE WOULD REALLY LOVE TO SEE OUR STAFF GET IN LINE WITH WHAT THE COUNTY SALARY SCALE IS WITH THE MOA BEFORE WE KIND OF GOT BEHIND WITH THE SMALLER INCREASES EACH YEAR. UM, WE'RE HAVING A HARD TIME ATTRACTING PEOPLE TO OPEN POSITIONS WHEN THEY COME OPEN BECAUSE OUR, OUR SALARIES AREN'T COMPETITIVE WITH WALMART OR TARGET OR OUR LIBRARY ASSISTANT POSITIONS. UM, SO THAT IS OUR BIGGEST ASK. AND THEN WE DO HAVE SOME INCREASE IN THE BOOK AND RELATED ITEMS LINES FOR DATABASES AND MATERIALS THAT WE ADDED TO ADDRESS PATRON NEEDS DURING COVID-19 AND OUR TECHNOLOGY AS WELL. THOSE WERE ALSO RELATED TO COVID-19. WE DID SEE A DECREASE IN OTHER LINES, INCLUDING BUILDING MAINTENANCE, OFFICE EXPENSES AND AUTOMATION SYSTEMS. AND WE DO RELY ON THE COUNTY TO PROVIDE US WITH LEVEL FUNDING, AT LEAST IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN OUR STATE AID AS WELL, WHICH IS FOR FISCAL YEAR 20, 22 YEAR OLD PREDICTED TO BE $164,000. WELL, WE CONTINUE TO PAY OUR EMPLOYEES. UH, WE REALLY DOWN SHUT DOWN. UM, SO THERE WAS NO BUDGET AND THEN WE WERE ADDING DATABASE, WHATEVER WE COULD TO ENGAGE THE PUBLIC. SO THERE WAS VERY LITTLE SAVINGS. I APOLOGIZE IF POSSIBLE. COULD SOMEONE TALK INTO THE MICROPHONE WHEN THEY'RE ANSWERING THE QUESTION? I AM SO SORRY. AND I SHOULD SAY EILEEN WAS OUR INTERIM DIRECTOR DURING THE BEGINNING OF THE COVID 19 PANDEMIC. I STARTED IN JULY, SO SHE WAS ACTING DIRECTOR FROM FEBRUARY THROUGH JULY, BUT I'VE BEEN WITH THE LIBRARY. MY NAME IS EILEEN GRADY. I'VE BEEN WITH THE LIBRARY FOR OVER 19 YEARS. ANYWAY, WE CONTINUE TO PAY EMPLOYEES. WE ADDED LOTS OF DATABASES AND E RESOURCES, BOOKS, ET [01:45:01] CETERA, TO ENGAGE THE PUBLIC. THERE WERE STUDENTS AND STUDENTS. YEAH. WE ADDED TUTOR.COM AND LOTS OF REALLY GREAT RESOURCES THAT MICHELLE BROUGHT TO THE TABLE. AND THEN WE ALSO, UM, WE DID APPLY FOR AND RECEIVE A PPP LOAN, BUT WE ALSO SPENT A TON OF MONEY ON COVID RELATED THINGS, PUTTING UP THE SHIELD GUARDS, PUTTING UP, I MEAN, BUYING EXTRA HAND SANITIZERS, WE HAVE TONS OF PPE. UM, WE HANDED OUT FREELY TO WHOEVER NEEDS IT BECAUSE WE ENFORCE IT VERY STRONGLY. UM, BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY IN A PUBLIC FACILITY TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T HAVE MASK ON BECAUSE OF WHATEVER REASON, HOW DO I, HOW DO YOU KNOW WHY THEY DON'T? SO EVERYBODY WEARS A MASK AND WE GET THEM OUT TO VISIT AND THEY'RE FREE, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE YOU ALL ARE DOING. SO IN TERMS OF SAVINGS, THERE WAS VERY, VERY LITTLE, UM, BECAUSE OF THE EXPENDITURES THAT HAPPENED AS A RESULT. ALSO OUR CIRCULATION DURING COVID ACTUALLY INCREASED. SO WE HAD GREATER USAGE OF OUR COLLECTION, GREATER USAGE OF THE LIBRARY RESOURCES. AND WE CONTINUED TO, UH, OUR TWO PRIMARY EXPENSES ARE THE EMPLOY EMPLOYEES, THE PAYROLL, WHICH WE MAINTAIN AND THE COST OF MAINTAINING AND IMPROVING, ADDING TO OUR COLLECTION, WHICH SAW AN INCREASE IN CIRCULATION. SO WE CONTINUED TO BUY BOOKS, PERIODICALS MAGAZINES, SO THAT THEY COULD BE ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC. AND DURING THAT, UH, COVID EPIDEMIC. AND STILL TODAY, WE ARE NOT CHARGING ANY FINES BECAUSE WE QUARANTINE BOOKS. AND WHEN YOU QUARANTINE A BOOK, THE WAY THE LIBRARY AUTOMATION SYSTEM WORKS, YOU CAN'T CHECK IT IN. SO IT'S STILL SITTING OUT ON THE PATRONS ACCOUNT AND THEY GOT REALLY CONFUSED AND WE DON'T WANT CONFUSION AND EVERYBODY'S STRESSED ENOUGH. SO NO FINES ARE BEING CHARGED AND THAT'S A HIT TO OUR INCOME, UM, BECAUSE WE IT'S A LINE ITEM IN OUR BUDGET. SO I'D ENTERTAIN. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THE DIRECT ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS THERE WAS VERY LITTLE SAFE. YEAH. OKAY. IT'S ALL THAT HELPFUL. YES. GOOD. I HAVE A QUESTION. IF YOU WILL, ON YOUR RESERVE FUNDS, YOU TYPICALLY, YOU HAVE SOME RESERVE FUNDS. HAVE YOU HAD TO GO INTO YOUR RESERVE FUNDS IN ANY WAY? DURING THIS TROUBLESOME TIME, WE DID ASK THE BOARD DURING THE COVID WHEN WE WERE CLOSED, CLOSED, UH, FOR SOME THINGS, AND WE DIPPED INTO OUR RESERVE MONIES, WE PAINTED THE ENTIRE ADULT AREA, THE HALLWAY, THE FRONT HALL, WE PURCHASED, UM, NEW TABLES FOR THE MEETING ROOM. UM, WHAT ELSE HAVE WE DONE? IT SEEMED TO BE APPROPRIATE WHILE THERE WAS A LOT OF TRAFFIC THROUGH THE LIBRARY TO DO SOME OF THE MAINTENANCE ISSUES, UH, THE IMPACTED USAGE OF THE LIBRARY. THERE WAS NOBODY THERE. SO WE TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THAT DOWNTIME TO DO SOME OF THE THINGS WE MOVED THEM UP THROUGH THE BUDGET SOONER THAN WE EXPECTED TO, UH, BECAUSE IT WAS INAPPROPRIATE TIME TO DO IT. SO, UH, YES, WE DID DIP INTO SOME RESERVE FUNDS FOR THAT, AS WELL AS WE ADDED, I CAN THINK OF THREE DATABASES SPECIFICALLY TO ENHANCE PUBLIC ACCESS AND STUDENT ACCESS. THEY WERE RE EXPENSIVE AND WE DIPPED INTO OUR RESERVE FUNDS TO PAY FOR THOSE. YEAH. THE OTHER THING THAT WE'VE DONE IS WE HAVE ADDED, AND YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN IT IN THE PAPERS. WE'VE ADDED A COMPUTER BAGS WHERE YOU CAN CHECK OUT A LAPTOP WITH A HOTSPOT. SO IF YOU DON'T GET GOOD ACCESS AT HOME, IT WILL, IT WILL GIVE YOU INTERNET ACCESS TOOK A MINUTE FOR PEEP. THAT MONEY CAME THE BOARD. YEAH, NO, NOT THE MONEY, BUT WHERE DOES THAT ACCESS COME FROM? WHEN THE WIFI HOTSPOT, IT ACTUALLY RELIES ON T-MOBILE'S FOUR G NETWORK THEY'RE T-MOBILE, THEY'RE THESE LITTLE TEENY DEVICES IN THEIR FABRIC. AND THAT WAS PARTIALLY FUNDED THROUGH A $3,000 GRANT FROM THE WALMART FOUNDATION. AND THEN THE REST, THE BOARD [01:50:01] SAID GO INTO YOUR RESERVE MONEY BECAUSE THEY SAW THE BENEFIT OF PEOPLE BEING ABLE, BECAUSE WE DID CUT BACK HOW MANY COMPUTERS YOU CAN ACCESS. AND WE WANTED TO TRY TO GIVE SOMETHING ELSE TO THE CITIZENS THAT THEY COULD UTILIZE AND ENHANCE THE SERVICES WE PROVIDE. AND IT'S BEEN RECEIVED VERY WELL. I BELIEVE BOARD MEETING IN THE SHOW REPORTED THAT ALL OF THE LAPTOP COMPUTERS WERE CHECKED OUT AND IN THE HANDS OF THE PUBLIC. AND HOW MANY IS THAT? THERE'S 10 RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT'S A PILOT PROGRAM AND WE DID HAVE LIMITED FUNDING. AND THIS WAS PARTIALLY TO ADDRESS AS YOU MIGHT'VE SEEN IN HERE, VARIOUS, A BIG DIGITAL DIVIDE IN WARREN COUNTY. I WANT TO SAY THERE'S ABOUT 20% OF HOUSEHOLDS THAT DON'T HAVE A COMPUTER OR INTERNET ACCESS AT HOME. DON'T HAVE THE SPECIFIC NUMBERS TUCKED AWAY IN THERE, BUT THAT'S AROUND ABOUT WHERE IT IS. AND SO WITH COVID MORE PEOPLE NEED THAT TECHNOLOGY AT HOME TO BE ABLE TO DO VIRTUAL SCHOOL, DO JOB APPLICATIONS AND RESEARCH AND CONNECT WITH THEIR FAMILIES. SO WE THOUGHT IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO ADD THAT PROGRAM. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS SAW YOUR OBJECTIVES? AND I WANTED TO TALK TO YOU GUYS ABOUT THOSE BECAUSE LET'S SEE YOUR GOALS AND OBJECTIVES IS TO HELP NARROW THE DIGITAL DIVIDE IN WARREN COUNTY. I KNOW THAT LAPTOP PROGRAM WAS THAT ATTEMPT. AND THEN YOU GUYS ALSO, UM, HAVE ON HERE THAT YOU WANT TO INCREASE OUTREACH TO THE RURAL AREAS OF THE COUNTY. CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT WHAT YOUR PLANS ARE TO DO THAT, OR ARE THEY ESTABLISHED THAT THEY ARE NOT FULLY ESTABLISHED? YOU WOULDN'T SEE IT REFLECTED IN THIS FISCAL YEAR BUDGET BECAUSE WE WEREN'T SURE YET IF IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PULL OFF, BUT WE WOULD LOVE TO EVENTUALLY GET A BOOKMOBILE THAT COULD GO THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY AND ALSO ACT AS A WIFI HOTSPOT. SO PEOPLE WOULD BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE INTERNET WHILE THEY'RE NEAR THE BOOKMOBILE. WE COULD GET TO THOSE RURAL AREAS AND GET BOOKS IN THE HANDS OF CHILDREN AND GIVE THEM THE ACCESS THAT THEY NEED. BUT THAT WOULD COME AT A LARGE COST THAT IS NOT REFLECTED IN THIS BUDGET BECAUSE YOU WOULD BE PAYING FOR THE VEHICLE, THE COLLECTION, AND THEN THE STAFFING OF THE VEHICLE AND ONGOING MAINTENANCE OF THE VEHICLE. HAVE YOU COME UP WITH ANY PRELIMINARY BUDGET NUMBERS FOR THEM? I HAVE COME UP WITH A BUDGET FOR WHAT THE ACTUAL VEHICLE WOULD COST, AND THAT WOULD BE IN THE BALLPARK OF $200,000. OKAY. ARE THERE ANY GRANTS AVAILABLE FOR YOU? WELL, AND THAT'S ANOTHER REASON. YEAH. THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY IT'S NOT REFLECTED IN HERE YET BECAUSE WE'RE STILL IN THE RESEARCH STAGE OF THAT. SO WE'RE INVESTIGATING WHAT GRANTS MIGHT BE AVAILABLE FOR THAT AND WHAT THE EXACT COSTS ARE GOING TO BE SO THAT WE CAN DETERMINE OUR BEST AVENUE OF GETTING THERE. OKAY. YEAH. AND JUST FOR FULL DISCLOSURE OF THE PUBLIC, I AM PART OF THE LIBRARY BOARD OF TRUSTEES AS THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. AND I FEEL STRONGLY THAT WE NEED TO REACH OUT TO UNDERSERVED CHILDREN. I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, VERY FEW PEOPLE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT WE WANT TO SERVE, UM, ARE GOING TO BRING THEIR CHILDREN TO THE LIBRARY FOR STORY TIME. BUT THERE THIS POPULATION THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING, THAT WOULDN'T BRING THEIR CHILDREN TO STORY TIME, MAYBE FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. AND SO BECAUSE OF THAT, I HAVE STRONGLY ENCOURAGED THE LIBRARY TO LOOK FOR THOSE WAYS TO REACH UNDERSERVED CHILDREN, UM, WITH LIKE A STORY TIME IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD OR SOMETHING THAT COULD INTRODUCE THEM. AND A LOW COST WAY TO DO THAT IS BY SENDING OUR STAFF OUT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU DON'T NEED A BOOKMOBILE TO DO THAT. AND WE HAVE SUCH WONDERFUL STAFF. THEY'RE OUR GREATEST RESOURCE ARE HIGHLY TRAINED AND EVERYONE JUST RAVES ABOUT THEIR PROGRAMS. SO WHEN WE'RE ABLE TO DO BOTH IN-PERSON PROGRAMS AGAIN, THAT IS ANOTHER GOAL OF OURS IS TO SEND THEM OUT INTO THE SMALLER COMMUNITIES AND FIND COMMUNITY AREAS WHERE THEY COULD PRESENT TO KIDS AND GET BOOKS IN THEIR HANDS AND GIVE THEM THOSE EXTRA EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES. WELL, AND I'VE BEEN SO KIND AS TO VOLUNTEER SOME OF THESE GUYS TO COME HELP READ ONE QUESTION, IF YOU WILL. I NOTICED THAT THE, THE BUDGETS FROM 2000 TO 2021 ARE VERY SIMILAR, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT GOES UP BET, A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR THE BUDGET. UH, 22. IS THERE ANY PARTICULAR REASON WHY IT LOOKS GOING TO GO UP THAT MUCH? YES. THAT PARTICULAR AMOUNT IS [01:55:01] DUE TO OUR REQUEST TO INCREASE STAFF SALARIES, TO BE IN LINE WITH THE COUNTY PAY SCALE. I WOULD SAY 90% OF THAT INCREASE IS THROUGH THERE. OKAY. AND THIS IS THE FIRST YEAR 2022 IS THE FIRST YEAR WE'RE COMING OUT OF THE MOA AND THE MOA WAS EFFECTIVE FOR THREE YEARS AND IT HELD US AT ZERO FOR YEAR ONE, 1% YEAR TWO AND 2% FOR YEAR THREE. AND QUITE FRANKLY, THAT PUT US EVEN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER BEHIND. UNDERSTANDABLE. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. AND WE HAVE A COPY OF THAT MOA HERE, BECAUSE THAT IS TO BE RE I GUESS, REVISITED RENEGOTIATED THIS YEAR COMING UP, CORRECT? MS. DR. DALEY. CORRECT. OKAY. SO I DON'T KNOW THE PROCESS BY WHICH WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST. UM, SOMEBODY WILL HAVE, WE'VE ONLY EVER DONE IT THAT ONE TIME. UH, AND THAT WAS DUE TO THE AD HOC COMMITTEE THAT DOUG STANLEY PUT TOGETHER BETWEEN THE COUNTY BOARD AND THE LIBRARY BOARD. AND WE STUDIED NUMEROUS, UH, POSSIBILITIES OR OPTIONS WITH RESPECT TO ADMINISTERING THE LIBRARY. AT THE END OF THAT PROCESS, UH, WE ENTERED INTO DISCUSSION OF AN MOA, UH, THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME. AND THE ONLY TIME THAT HAS HAPPENED HAS THE COUNTY ALONE ALWAYS BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR THE LIBRARY FUNDING OR WAS THE TOWN EVER CAN SOMEBODY I'M JUST INTERESTED IN THE HISTORY PERSONALLY. UM, WE WERE PART OF THE FAIR FUNDING FORMULA WITH THAT WAS DEVELOPED WITH, UH, THE TOWN. AND AT ONE POINT THE TOWN ACTUALLY LONG TIME AGO FUNDED MORE, BUT THEN IT FLIP-FLOPPED AS THE COUNTY GREW AND WE WERE 88% FUNDED BY THE COUNTY AND 12% FUNDED BY THE TOWN. AND THEN I WANT TO SAY AROUND OH EIGHT, THAT WAS PHASED. ALL TOWN FUNDING WAS PHASED OUT OVER TWO YEARS. AND THAT HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH ASSUMING OWNERSHIP OF THE EDA, UH, OR THE TOWN DOING SOMETHING WITH THE, I DON'T RECALL. YEAH. I CAN'T REMEMBER. RIGHT. BUT AS SOON AS SOME OF THE COUNTY FUNDING FOR SOMETHING ELSE YEAH. WHICH IS LONG FORGOTTEN. SO ORIGINALLY YES, THERE WAS JOINT FUNDING. OKAY. I LOVE HISTORY. THAT'S WHY YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO HAVE ANY HISTORY OF THESE THINGS. I'VE LEARNED THIS. YES, I TRULY DO. I ALWAYS HAVE. OKAY. UM, ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY DR. DALEY? EXCELLENT. THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. THANKS. OH, YOU'RE VERY WELCOME. IF I MAY, I WANT TO SAY THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO ACHIEVE SOME OF OUR DEDUCTIONS AND THIS BUDGET THROUGH THE ASSISTANCE OF YOUR CREWS. IT'S BEEN REALLY GREAT WORKING WITH THEM. YEAH. [02:00:20] NO. BEFORE CLOSETS. AT THE TOP OF IT. WHAT IS ACTUALLY DOUG'S BUDGET. AND THEN I PUT, SO YOU CAN SEE IT, MY ESTIMATE OR THE LEAD AND LEAD TRUMP ROLLING. AT SOME POINT, THAT'S GOING TO BE TOTALED OUT OF AN AGREEMENT WITH THE TOWN. I'M NOT PUTTING ANYTHING FOR NEXT YEAR AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE THAT WILL GO AWAY AT SOME POINT. WHY UH, OH, HE WENT OUT WITH, OKAY. I WAS GONNA SAY, WE'RE WAITING ON MISSES OUT. SO IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE A SEAT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A POOR, YOUR HUSBANDS ARE NOT BAD AT ALL, BUT COULD WE JUST WAIT A COUPLE OF MINUTES? HE HAD TO GO BACK TO THE OFFICE. HE FORGOT THAT THE BUDGETS. OH NO. SO HE'S OKAY. I PROVIDED THE BOARD WITH A COPY OF THE MOST RECENT DOCUMENTATION THAT MR. PARSON SENT. WELL, WE CALL HIM MOVE ON TO NORTHWESTERN. WHY DON'T WE DO THAT? WE ALSO HAVE KATIE RUSSELL AS WELL. SHE'S ON THE GOOGLE MEET. OKAY. HEY DWAYNE, CAN YOU TURN UP THE COMPUTER AUDIO? WE'RE GOING TO SWITCH OVER TO NORTHWESTERN. THEY ALREADY HAVE PRESENTATION, SO WE'RE GOOD. SO WE'RE GONNA SWITCH TO NORTHWESTERN. ARE YOU ON YOUR WAY BACK? WE'RE GOING TO DO NO PROBLEM HEALTH DEPARTMENT. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WITH WESTERN NORTHWESTERN? OKAY. YOU'LL BE HERE IN A COUPLE, A COUPLE OF MINUTES. IS HE A MUSIC? CAN YOU LET HIM KNOW? CAN YOU HEAR US? I CAN. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, SIR. WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD WITH YOU. IF YOU DON'T MIND, ARE YOU READY FOR ME TO START? WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, TALK TO YOU ALL THIS EVENING AND ALSO THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO DO OUR, UH, PRESENTATION, UH, IN FRONT OF A SCREEN. AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS WE HAVE STAFF THAT, UM, SERVE OVER 6,000 RESIDENTS IN OUR CATCHMENT AREA FOR FIVE COUNTIES AND CITY OF WINCHESTER. AND WE HAVE YET TO, UH, TO CANCEL ANY OF OUR SERVICES. SO OUR STAFF ARE OUT IN THE FIELD, DEALING WITH OUR CLIENTS AND ANY KIND OF EXPOSURE, KIND OF RESTRICTS OUR ABILITY TO DO THAT. SO WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL, EVEN OUR ADMINISTRATION HAS TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT, UM, ANY EXPOSURE. SO WITH ME TONIGHT, MS. KATIE RUSSELL, SHE IS OUR CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER. I'M THE EXECUTIVE CEO OF NORTHWESTERN. AND I WOULD LIKE TO FIRST OFF, UM, GIVE YOU KIND OF AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE DO FOR YOUR COMMUNITY AND, UM, WHAT OUR CAPACITY IS LIKE I MENTIONED, WE HAVE, UM, WE HAVE, WE SEE OVER 6,000 CLIENTS EVERY SINGLE YEAR. UM, AND WE HAVE 250 [02:05:01] EMPLOYEES AT NORTHWESTERN. WE WERE ESTABLISHED BACK IN THE EARLY SEVENTIES, UM, ESTABLISHED BY THE SAME LOCALITIES THAT FUND US TODAY. SO WE HAVE A VERY LONG AND LASTING RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COMMUNITIES WE SERVE AND WE PROVIDE A FULL ARRAY OF BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SERVICES. WHAT THAT MEANS IS WE PROVIDE SERVICES TO CHILDREN AND ADULTS WITH MENTAL HEALTH DISABILITIES, CHILDREN AND ADULTS WHO HAVE INTELLECTUAL DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITIES. AND WE SERVE BOTH CHILDREN AND ADULTS WHO HAVE SUBSTANCE USE DISORDERS. AND WITHIN THOSE POPULATIONS OVERRIDE ANY OF SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE. AND I'M SURE THAT I WON'T TOUCH ON IT AT ALL, BUT I'M HOPING THAT YOU'LL, YOU'LL ASK ME SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, BUT WE'LL START OUT WITH THE BASICS. WHAT WE DO FOR PRETTY MUCH, MOST OF OUR POPULATIONS IS WE PROVIDE CASE MANAGEMENT SERVICES AND WHAT THAT MEANS WHEN A PERSON COMES IN, UH, TO SERVICES TO US, WE, WE OFTEN OFFER THEM, UH, A PERSON WHO'S GOING TO HELP THEM NAVIGATE THE SYSTEM. AND THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE MENTAL HEALTH, DISABILITY OR DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITIES NEED HELP NAVIGATING OUR SYSTEM AND BOTH KATIE AND I TAKE IT FOR GRANTED THAT, UH, THAT OUR SYSTEM IS EASY TO NAVIGATE, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S A VERY COMPLICATED SYSTEM AND IT REQUIRES A LOT OF TUTORING. UM, AND WE'LL START OUT BY CASE MANAGER. UH, WE, BUT WE ARE MANDATED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF BEHAVIORAL HEALTH FOR THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA TO PROVIDE CRISIS SERVICES TO OUR RESIDENTS. AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT WHEN A PERSON IS DANGEROUS TO THEMSELVES OR OTHERS, WE, WE PROVIDE 24 SEVEN SCREENING AND ASSESSMENT IN OUR EMERGENCY DEPARTMENTS AROUND IN OUR LOCAL HOSPITALS AND DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THAT PERSON NEEDS TO BE, UM, IN VOLUNTARILY, UH, RETAINED AND, AND, UH, ADMITTED TO THE STATE HOSPITAL SYSTEM IN WARREN COUNTY, FRONT ROYAL FREE UP. WE, UH, THIS PAST YEAR WE DID WHAT, WHAT 108, UM, EMERGENCY CUSTODY ORDER. AND THOSE ARE DONE BY YOUR LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES. AND WE DEAL WITH THOSE CUSTODY ORDERS AND MAKE, DO AN ASSESSMENT AND DETERMINE IT, DETERMINE OR NOT THEY MEET CRITERIA FOR HOSPITALS AND OF THAT PUTTER NATE, ABOUT HALF OF WE DETERMINED THAT NEEDS HOSPITALIZATION, AND WE WORK WITH THE SYSTEM AND GET THEM TRANSFERRED INTO THE CITY. UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE, UH, HAVE A VERY COMPREHENSIVE ARRAY OF SUBSTANCE USE SERVICES. EVERYTHING FROM, WE ARE THE DRUG COURT TREATMENT PROVIDER FOR THE CITY OF WINCHESTER, FREDERICK COUNTY, CLARK COUNTY. AND WE ARE NOW CURRENTLY WORKING WITH PAIGE COUNTY TO BE THE DRUG COURT TREATMENT PROVIDER. THERE ARE SOME RESIDENTS OF, UH, WARREN COUNTY THAT ACTUALLY GET INTO THAT PROGRAM, UM, THROUGH, UH, THROUGH THEIR INCARCERATION IN THOSE JAILS. UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, THAT KIND OF SUBSTANCE ABUSE PROGRAM, WE PROVIDE A WHOLE ARRAY OF COMMUNITY-BASED, UM, FOR SUBSTANCE USE DISORDERS, WHICH INCLUDES SOMETHING THAT'S CALLED MEDICATION ASSISTED TREATMENT IN WARREN COUNTY, YOU HAVE A VERY SERIOUS OPIATE ISSUE AND EMERGING METHAMPHETAMINE TWO, AND THAT BECOMES THE VERY LARGE CHALLENGE FOR TREATMENT, UM, AND FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT. UM, SO WE, UM, HAVE SOME VERY, UM, COMPREHENSIVE PROGRAMS THAT WE PROVIDE BOTH ASSESSMENT AND TREATMENT FOR THAT POPULATION. UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE PROVIDE, UH, SERVICES RSW. UM, WE HAVE A DISCHARGE PLANNER AND A, UM, NORTHWESTERN STAFF THAT DOES SUICIDE ASSESSMENTS IN THE JAIL. IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE A BRAND OR PROVIDING A RURAL JAIL DIVERSION, WHICH WE WOULD BE WORK ON DISCHARGE PLANNING, THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO WERE BEING EAST FROM THE JAIL AND MOVED INTO OUR ARRAY OF SERVICES COMMUNITY. UM, ALONG WITH THOSE, UM, THOSE, UM, SORRY, SINCE YOU SERVICES, WE HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE ARRAY OF MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES FOR BOTH CHILDREN AND ADULTS, AS YOU KNOW, UM, WE, WE OPERATE IN WHAT WAS, UH, ESTABLISHED, UH, OR BILL OVER 17 [02:10:01] YEARS AGO, WHICH IS ON CHRYSLER ROAD OVER BY, UM, HIGH SCHOOL IN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. AND WE HAVE, UM, A, A, UM, A CLINIC THERE, BOTH CHILDREN WITHIN THAT CLINIC. WE BUY NURSING SERVICES AND WE PROVIDE PSYCHIATRIC SERVICES IN A WHOLE ARRAY OF OUTPATIENT SERVICES. LIKE I SAID, FOR BOTH OF THEM ADULTS, UM, IN DEALING WITH BOTH INTELLECTUAL ABILITIES TO MENTAL HEALTH AND SUBSTANCE USE DISORDERS. UM, SO IF, IF YOU WANT TO, UH, LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE WE'RE ASKING FOR OUR BUDGET CURRENTLY IS ABOUT $20 MILLION. UM, THAT W W WARREN COUNTY WARREN COUNTY COMPRISES ABOUT 22% OF THE POPULATION THAT WE SERVE, WHICH IS ABOUT 1300 OF OUR CLIENTS. UM, WE ARE ASKING FOR THAT INCREASE IN THE ENTIRE TIME THAT I'VE BEEN WITH THE AGENCY, WHICH IS A LITTLE OVER FIVE YEARS. WE'VE NOT RECEIVED ANY INCREASES FROM OUR STATE CONTRACT NOR HAVE OUR FEES FROM MEDICAID OR PRIVATE INSURANCE FEES INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY. SO A LOT OF THE INCREASES THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS WITH OUR COSTS OF LIVING WITH OUR EMPLOYEES HAVE REALLY COME FROM OUR LOCALITIES. UM, SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE ASKING ALL OF OUR TALLIES TO GIVE US A TWO AND A HALF PERCENT INCREASE THIS YEAR, A FAST YEAR. YOU'RE ALL VERY GENEROUS. I THINK YOU GAVE US ABOUT 5%, UM, BUT WE HAVE, UM, WE'VE DONE SIGNIFICANTLY WELL IN THE COVID THIS, THIS PAST YEAR WE HAVE SUCCESSFUL DATE, UM, CHANGED SERVICE FROM DOING FACE-TO-FACE TO A TELEMEDICINE PLATFORM. WE HAVE NOT DECREASED OR CANCELED ANY OF OUR SERVICES. WE STILL SEE OUR CLIENTS IN THE FIELD IF NECESSARY ALL OF OUR STAFF, EITHER IN THE JAIL OR IN THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT, OUR CASE MANAGERS ARE ALL WORKING FROM HOME, BUT WE STILL GO OUT AND SEE OUR CLIENTS ABOUT 150 OF OUR EMPLOYEES, UM, HAVE CONSTANT AND CONTINUOUS FACE TO FACE X WITH THE CLIENTS WE SERVE. AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE NOT LAID OFF ANY OF OUR EMPLOYEES. AND IN FACT, WE HAVE HIRED NEW EMPLOYEES ON THE AVERAGE OF SEVEN, SEVEN TO EIGHT NEW EMPLOYEES EVERY SINGLE MONTH. UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE A HOUSING PROBE FEDERAL PROGRAM IS IT'S CALLED PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING. WE HAVE SIX CLIENTS, OUR IN SIX RESIDENTS FROM WARREN COUNTY THAT ARE IN THAT PROGRAM. AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS THROUGH THIS GRANT, WE PAY A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THEIR HOUSING COSTS. AND ON TOP OF THEIR HOUSING COSTS, WE PROVIDE CASE MANAGEMENT AND TREATMENT SERVICES FOR THAT VISUAL AND THOSE INDIVIDUAL, I ASKED, HAVE SIGNIFICANT SERIOUS THIS, OR, UM, AND THE REALITY THEY'LL NEVER REALLY BE ABLE TO WORK THE SAME WAY THAT WE WORK. UM, SO WE JUST HAVE TO, UH, HELP THEM TO STAY OUT OF, UH, LONG-TERM CARE. THAT'S A VERY SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM. ONE OF THE OTHER PROGRAMS WE OFFER, UM, TO FRONT ROYAL, UM, IN OUR CLINIC, WE OFFERED A WARREN COUNTY IN OUR CLINIC AND FROM ROYAL WHAT'S CALLED, UM, PSYCHOSOCIAL REHAB. AND THAT PROGRAM HAVE, UM, CLIENTS THAT USED TO COME IN AND, AND, AND BE WITH US FOR THE ENTIRE DAY AND DO THINGS LIKE SKILL-BUILDING AND COOKING AND LUNCH. IT'S KIND OF JUST LIKE A HANGOUT KIND OF PLACE FOR THEM. IT GIVES THEM A PLACE TO BELONG, BUT WE'VE HAD TO PUT THAT INTO THE COMMUNITY WHERE WE ACTUALLY GO OUT EITHER INTO THEIR HOMES, OR WE PROVIDE THOSE SIMILAR KINDS OF SERVICES IN THE GROUP HOME SETTINGS. AND I'LL STOP RIGHT NOW TO SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME OR KENNEDY. HEY, MIKE, THIS IS DOLORES. UM, YOU HAVE LISTED ALL OF THE WARREN COUNTY NUMBERS AND THEY HAVE ALL THESE LABELS LIKE L I P O S AND MHO P WHERE WOULD ONE FIND WHAT THOSE LABELS MEAN? OKAY. MAT IS CALLED MED IS MEDICATION ASSISTED TREATMENT, AND THAT'S THAT WE PROVIDE [02:15:01] SUBSTANCE USE POPULATION. AND WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS IS WHEN A PERSON HAS A SERIOUS ADDICTION, JUST GOING QUITTING, THAT DRUG IS NOT A REAL SUCCESSFUL WAY OF PROVIDING TREATMENT. SO WHAT WE OFFER IS A TYPE OF MEDICATION CALLED SUBOXONE THAT ALLOWS THEM KIND OF A CRUSHED A CRUTCH WHEN THEY'RE IN TREATMENT. AND THAT SOMETIMES LASTS FOR ABOUT A YEAR. AND WE HAVE A PHYSICIAN THAT MONITORS THAT PROGRAM. AND ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS IS JUST NOT HERE'S THE PILL, UM, IS THAT THEY HAVE TO GO INTO TREATMENT FOR UP TO NINE HOURS PER WEEK, UM, IN CONTINUOUS, UM, INTENSIVE OUTPATIENT LYCOS, WHICH IS THE MONEY THAT WE GET FROM THE STATE TO PAY FOR, UM, UH, INSTITUTIONAL CARE. FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN A PERSON GETS ADMITTED UNDER A TDO, THEY CAN EITHER GO TO THE STATE HOSPITAL OR TO, UM, THE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH UNIT AT WINCHESTER MEDICAL CENTER, WINCHESTER MEDICAL CENTER GETS THOSE LIPOS DOLLARS. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. I WAS JUST CURIOUS, BECAUSE THE LIST THAT YOU HAVE ALL OF OUR, THE NUMBERS, AND I'M ASSUMING THIS IS ALL FOR WARREN COUNTY, IS THAT CORRECT? THESE 12 TO 1,230, 83 CASES. AND THEN EACH ONE OF THOSE IS BROKEN DOWN BY CATEGORY HERE. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. ONE OF THE PROGRAMS THAT WE'RE REALLY, UM, PLEASED ABOUT IN OUR CRISIS SYSTEM IS CALLED , WHICH IS CRISIS INTERVENTION TREATMENT ASSESSMENT CENTER. AND THAT IS IN THE WINCHESTER, UM, EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT IN THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, BOTH FROM WARREN COUNTY AND FRONT ROYAL PD, ACTUALLY HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAKE AN, A PERSON IN CUSTODY UNDER AN EMERGENCY CUSTODY ORDER AND DROP THEM OFF IN TRANSFER CUSTODY TO THAT PERSON, UM, TO ANOTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. WELL, WE DO A BED SEARCH, AND WHILE WE DO OUR ASSESSMENT, HOW THAT BENEFITS YOU AND HOW THAT BENEFITS THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY IS, IS THAT IN THE EIGHT HOURS, IT TAKES TO DO THAT ASSESSMENT AND TO FIND THAT BED, UM, THAT LOG OFF AND GO BACK TO THEIR SHIFT AND ACTUALLY WORK THEIR GIFT. AND IN HALF 50% OF THE TIME THAT PERSON IS RELEASED AND NOT RELEASED UNDER A SAFETY PLAN AND ACTUALLY NOT TRANSFERRED TO A HOSPITAL. AND I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN OUR, UM, IN OUR DRUG PREVENTION COMMITTEE MEETING IS THAT THAT HAS ITS LIMITATIONS BECAUSE IT'S NOT A 24 HOUR A DAY SERVICE. SO YOU HAVE THE LIMITATION OF NOT OF THAT OFFICER HAVING TO MAINTAIN CUSTODY OF A PERSON FOR OVERNIGHT, IF NECESSARY, BECAUSE IT'S NOT OPEN. IS THAT CORRECT? MIKE? THAT IS CORRECT. BUT YOU KNOW, SOMETHING JUST HAPPENED RECENTLY. UM, MY STAFF ARE WORKING ON A PROPOSAL THROUGH OUR, UM, TO OUR STATE DEPARTMENT AND ALSO I'M, I'M IN TALKS WITH, WITH WINCHESTER MEDICAL CENTER FOR US TO INCREASE THOSE OUT 24 SEVEN. SO IT COULD BE IN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS, WE'LL BE, WE'LL BE MOVING THE OPERATION TO 24 SEVEN. AND THAT WAS A DIRECT RESULT OF BOTH, UH, THE CHIEF FROM FRONT ROYAL AND OTHER CHIEFS THAT HAVE REALLY SAID THAT THIS IS AN AREA WE NEED TO WORK ON BECAUSE OF THE, UH, BECAUSE OF THEIR LOAD AND THEM HAVING TO, ESPECIALLY IN THE EVENING AND NIGHTTIME HOURS HAVING TO ACTUALLY BABYSIT MENTAL HEALTH CLIENTS. THAT'S GOOD NEWS. I KNOW CHIEF WILL BE CHIEF. MIGUEL IS I'M SURE WILL BE VERY HAPPY TO HEAR THAT. YES. I, I THINK I'M GOING TO CALL HIM MYSELF AND SAY, LISTEN, I TOOK YOUR ADVICE. WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO DO THIS. YEAH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. CHAIRMAN COLORS. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER WHAT'S? I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WARREN COUNTY AND COUNTY ROYAL? NOTHING. THE ONLY THING DIFFERENT IS, IS, IS HOW WE REPORT THE DATA ON THE LAW ENFORCEMENT, UH, EMERGENCY CUSTODY ORDERS. WE PROVIDE THE SAME SERVICES TO FRONT ROYAL AS WE DO ANY FOR WARREN COUNTY. YEAH. THE DIFFERENCE IS THE TOWN DOES NOT CONTRIBUTE [02:20:01] COUNTY. DOES THAT WAS, I GUESS THAT WAS THE QUESTION, RIGHT? TEACHERS TWO OR THREE TIMES. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? OKAY. HEY MIKE, DO YOU SEE THIS PAGE AT ALL? DO YOU SEE, FILL UP PAINT AT ALL? I'M SORRY. COULD YOU SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME? IT'S A LITTLE HARD FOR ME TO HEAR YOU. DO YOU SEE PHILIP PAINT AT ALL? OH, I SEE PHILLIP EVERY WEEK. GIVE HIM MY REGARDS. SURE. UM, AND I DEAL WITH HIM. I HAVE A MEETING WITH HIM EVERY WEEK. JUST GIVE HIM MY REGARDS PLEASE. YEAH, PHILLIP'S A GREAT GUY, MIKE. I HAVE ONE MORE POINT OF CLARIFICATION JUST TO, TO BACK TO THAT WARREN COUNTY, BECAUSE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, UM, OUR CONCERN, OBVIOUSLY THE GRAND TOTAL AT THE BOTTOM IS 1283, WHICH IS, UM, FOR FISCAL YEAR, THE TOTAL NUMBER OF UNDUPLICATED CONSUMERS. BUT THE NUMBERS THAT ARE IN THE, UM, IN THE GRID ACTUALLY ARE MUCH LARGER THAN THAT. SO IT DOES THAT MEAN THAT THOSE NUMBERS INDICATE THAT YOU TOUCHED A PATIENT MORE THAN ONE TIME? THEY SURE DO ABSOLUTELY CLIENT TO OUR SERVICE. AND B B COULD BE GIVEN SEVERAL DIFFERENT KINDS OF SERVICES, LIKE A VISIT WITH THE PSYCHIATRIST, A CASE MANAGEMENT VISIT OR A SUBSTANCE USE ASSESSMENT, OR IT COULD BE A WHOLE ARRAY OF THINGS. SO THOSE NUMBERS DON'T ALWAYS, AREN'T ALWAYS THE SAME. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT FOR ANYBODY WHO MIGHT BE READING THESE FIGURES. THANK YOU, SIR. NOBODY ELSE HAS ANY MORE QUESTIONS, MR. PARSONS? ARE YOU READY FOR ADA'S PART? YES. MA'AM. IS IT THE MEMBERS SAY YOU HAVE APPOINTED FROM WARREN COUNTY TO REPRESENT YOU ON OUR ADVICE? OUR, OUR BOARD OF DIRECTORS HAVE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB OVER THE YEARS. UM, AND I WOULD REALLY LIKE ONCE, IF THERE'S A VACANCY THAT COMES UP, I REALLY LIKE HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY, UH, OF MAYBE RECOMMENDING A COUPLE PEOPLE, UM, BECAUSE THERE ARE CERTAIN AREAS THAT WE NEED SOME HELP IN. UM, WE DON'T HAVE, I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE ANY VACANCIES NOW, BUT YES, WE DO. YOU DO, WE DO HAVE VACANCY. OH, OKAY. SO, SO, UM, MAYBE I CAN, CAN GIVE YOU A CALL OR GIVE YOU SOME IDEAS, BUT WE REALLY COULD USE SOME HELP IN TERMS OF ANYBODY WHO HAS SOME KIND OF INVOLVEMENT IN, UM, MEDIA OR WEBSITES OR SOCIAL MEDIA, ANYBODY INVOLVED IN THE CONSTRUCTION BUSINESS OR REAL ESTATE BUSINESS BE VERY HELPFUL. WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED PEOPLE WHO ARE MENTAL HEALTH EXPERTS ON OUR BOARD OF DIRECTORS. WE HAVE A 15 MEMBER BOARD AND WE REALLY LIKE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE PEOPLE HAVE VERY TYPES OF BACKGROUNDS. UM, I DON'T USUALLY GET INVOLVED IN THESE THINGS, BUT WE'VE HAD THAT DISCUSSION AS A BOARD, AS WHO DO WE NEED TO EAT TO HELP US AROUND OUR BOARD OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT PHILIP PATE AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS. SO IF, IF IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL, IF YOU COULD FIND IN, IN, AND MAYBE HAVE A POINT SOMEONE WHO IS EITHER IN THE CONSTRUCTION FIELD OR THE, UM, YOU KNOW, MARKETING FIELD OR THOSE KINDS OF THINGS LIKE THAT. MR. LOL, THIS IS EMILY SHIRAKI. I'M THE ONE WHO SENT YOU THE GOOGLE MEET INFORMATION EMAIL EARLIER TODAY. IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND SEND ME ALL OF WHAT YOU JUST SAID IN AN EMAIL, I WOULD BE GLAD TO PUT OUT A SPECIFIC ADVERTISEMENT FOR THAT, FOR THAT VACANCY ON THE PAPER, IN THE PAPER AND ON OUR WEBSITE WITH YOUR SPECIFIC CRITERIA IN MIND, THAT WOULD BE PERFECT. I MEAN, THE PEOPLE THAT YOU'VE SENT US HAVE BEEN VERY HELPFUL, BUT WE TEND TO GET A LOT OF THE SAME ADVOCATES WHO WERE VERY INTERESTED IN MENTAL HEALTH AND SUBSTANCE USE. BUT THE, AS YOU KNOW, THAT DOESN'T ALWAYS MAKE A REAL WELL-ROUNDED BOARD OF DIRECTORS. YEAH. SO JUST SEND ME ALL THAT INFORMATION. I'D BE GLAD TO PUT THAT OUT FOR YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU, SIR. THANKS, MIKE. OKAY, WELL, THANK YOU. IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE, PLEASE LET US KNOW. BYE BYE. ALL RIGHT. [02:25:05] ALRIGHTY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, WELL THANK YOU. UM, CAN YOU ALL HEAR ME? DO I NEED TO PRESS SIT ON NOW? YEAH. OKAY. THERE YOU, YOU MIGHT WANT TO PULL A LITTLE BIT CLOSER. YEAH, IT'D BE ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANKS FOR TO BE HERE, TO SEE EVENING TO PRESENT OUR BUDGET. UM, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR SOME TIME. OUR TREASURER, JORIE MARTIN, WHO ISN'T ABLE TO BE HERE TODAY. I CALL IT GRETCHEN JEFF BROWN, MY BOARD CHAIR, AND I HAVE PUT TOGETHER WHAT WE THINK IS A REASONABLE YET STILL FRUGAL BUDGET. WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF INCREASES IN A COUPLE OF AREAS, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, WE'VE REDUCED A LOT OF OUR OPERATING BUDGET. OUR DEBT SERVICE SHOULD REMAIN THE SAME, EXCEPT THAT IF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DOES INDEED GET PAID OFF, UM, OR, OR IF WE CONTINUE NOT TO SERVICE THAT DEBT AS WE ARE NOW, THEN, THEN WE'VE TAKEN THAT OUT YEAR OVER YEAR, WHICH WOULD SHOW A DECREASE IN, IN DEBT SERVICE IN THAT REGARD. UM, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GUYS WANT ME TO DO THIS. YOU WANT TO JUST GO LINE ITEM BY LINE ITEM FROM THE TOP? OR DO YOU JUST WANT A GENERAL OVERVIEW? JUST AN OVERVIEW. OKAY. UM, WELL, IN, IN, UM, AT THE VERY TOP UNDER INCOME, UM, YOU SEE THE RENTAL INCOME THERE OF, OF $61,000. THAT'S WHAT WE EXPECT TO COLLECT BASED ON WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY COLLECTING. UM, FOR OUR PROPERTIES, OF COURSE, WE'LL WORK TO INCREASE THAT AS WE HAVE OFFICE SPACE AT KENDRICK LANE, AND WE KNOW WE'LL DO EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO TRY TO GET SOME CLIENTS IN THERE AND PROSPECT FOR SPACE SAY THAT WE'LL BE ENTERTAINING HERE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS. SO WE'LL DO EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO INCREASE THAT, UM, OUR, OUR REVENUE BOND PROCEEDS AND ADMINISTRATION FEES. UM, WE, WE DID COLLECT THOSE THIS YEAR AND GOT BACK ON TRACK WITH COLLECTING THOSE. AND EVERY INDICATION IS THAT WE CAN COUNT ON COLLECTING THOSE GOING FORWARD FOR THE FUTURE. SO UNDER THE COUNTY OPERATING ALLOTMENT ON ITEM, I THINK IT'S 4,000, YOU'LL SEE THE FIGURE OF 306,008, 76 55. SO THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S BASED ON OUR TOTAL EXPENSES MINUS THE RENTAL INCOME AND THE REVENUE AND BOND PROCEEDS. WE BACKED INTO THAT FIGURE BASED ON WHAT WE'VE PROJECTED FOR OUR EXPENSES. CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION, DOUG? I'M JUST CURIOUS, YOU'VE GOT INTEREST INCOME FROM IT, FEDERAL ON THE INCOMES. HOW, HOW WAS THEIR INTEREST INCOME ON THAT? THERE'S REALLY, I MEAN, THERE THERE'S REALLY NOT. SO WHAT WE DID IS IN THE NOTES, IT SAYS INCLUDED IN THE DEBT SERVICE SECTION. THAT'S A LINE ITEM THAT WE WERE WORKING WITH UNDER THE OLD BUDGET. WE LEFT THE LINE ITEM THERE, BUT WE'VE MOVED THAT INCOME FIGURE TO THE BOTTOM UNDER INTEREST INCOME. YOU TELL ME THAT YOU PUT IT IN AS INTERESTING COM AND THEN YOU WROTE IT BACK OUT OF THE, YOU DEBIT IT AS THE, AS INCLUDED IN THE DEBT SERVICE, RIGHT? IT'S IN THAT IN DEBT SERVICE INCOME, IT WOULD BE DOWN THERE. YOU'LL SEE ON A LINE. OKAY. IT'D BE AT THE BOTTOM. IT FEDERAL INTEREST INCOME, 257,890 83. AND WHAT WE DID THERE IS FOR THE IT FEDERAL LOAN THAT WE'RE GETTING FROM KURT TRAN, WE SEPARATED IT OUT BY PRINCIPAL AND THEN INTEREST. OKAY. AND USING THE AMORTIZATION SCHEDULE, YOU'LL SEE THAT IN THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR, WE'RE GETTING 265,000 IN INTEREST INCOME AND 240 IN PRINCIPAL. WELL, THE PRINCIPAL GOES UP AND THE INTEREST GOES DOWN BY THE EXACT SAME AMOUNT PER AN AMORTIZATION SCHEDULE. YOU KNOW, THE PAYMENT OF 40 2001 60 A MONTH REMAINS THE SAME, BUT THE PROPORTIONS OF INCOME AND PRINCIPAL CHANGE YEAR OVER YEAR AS THE AMORTIZATION CHANGES. SO THAT'S HOW WE REPRESENTED IT. WE DIDN'T REPRESENT IT AT THE TOP. WE REPRESENTED IT AT THE BOTTOM, UNDER IT, FEDERAL INTEREST INCOME, AND THEN THE SAME FOR THE PRINCIPAL AS WELL. I DON'T UNDERSTAND. [02:30:01] MAYBE SOMEBODY IS GONNA HAVE TO EXPLAIN IT TO ME, WHY WE WOULD CONSIDER IT INCOME AT ALL. THIS IS THE PAYMENT THAT WE'RE GETTING FROM KURT TRAN. SO KURT TRAN PAYS US 40 2001 60 A MONTH. HE BORROWED $10 MILLION FROM US AT 3%. AND SO HIS 40 2001 60 IS THE PROPER PAYMENT THAT HE SHOULD BE PAYING US. OF COURSE, WHERE DID WE GET THE 10 MILLION FOR HIM? RIGHT. FIRST BANK AND TRUST. AND THAT'S REPRESENTED IN OUR EXPENSES P AND I F B AND T FIVE ONE FIVE EIGHT, OH, IT FEDERAL FOR THE FIVE 97, THREE 74 16, THAT LOANS AT 4.3, 5%. AND SO WE'RE PAYING $49,781 AND 18 CENTS A MONTH. WHEREAS MR. TRAN'S PAYING $42,160 A MONTH. WE INCREASED THE PAYMENT TWO 49, SEVEN 81 FROM A FLAT 40,000 A MONTH. IN FACT, WHEN, WHEN DR. DALEY WAS OUR CHAIR, HE SUGGESTED THAT WE DO THAT SO THAT WE QUIT LOSING AS MUCH GROUND, UM, WITH, YOU KNOW, AS WE RETIRE, THE WE'RE RETIRING AT MUCH MORE SLOWLY THAN WHAT MR. TRAN IS TO US. AND SO IF THIS CONTINUES, THERE'LL COME A DAY WHEN MR. TRAN IS DONE WITH HIS LOAN, BUT WE'RE NOT DONE WITH OURS AND WE DON'T HAVE HIS INCOME FOR OUR PAYMENT OR FOR A PORTION THEREOF. I SEE. NOW WHAT YOU'VE DONE. OKAY. ALRIGHTY. SO, UM, JUST SOME POINTS OF INTEREST REAL QUICK UNDER THE, THE, THE OPERATING EXPENSES. UM, THERE ARE RAISES SCHEDULED FOR BOTH AND, AND I, MY COLLEAGUE, GRETCHEN HENDERSON, AND I, UM, I, I WOULD ASK THAT WE CONCENTRATE ON GRETCHEN'S THERE I AM VERSUS MINE. GRETCHEN HAS WORKED VERY HARD. I'VE GOT SOME DOCUMENTS HERE THAT I BELIEVE EMILY IS PASSING OUT. UM, WE, WE WORKED UP A PERSPECTIVE, NEW JOB DESCRIPTION FOR GRETCHEN, WHICH YOU'LL SEE HERE. IT'S KIND OF BASED ACTUALLY ON, ON EMILY'S POSITION HERE AS AN EXECUTIVE OFFICE AND VERSUS CLERK CLERK TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, SHE WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY A CLERK TO OUR BOARD OF DIRECTORS. AND THEN YOU'LL SEE HERE WHERE SHE'S PUT IN THE DUTIES THAT SHE IS PERFORMING FOR US AND WHY WE THINK THAT THIS WOULD BE A SUITABLE NEW POSITION DESCRIPTION FOR HER. ALRIGHTY. AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO GET INTO THIS RIGHT NOW, AS IT RELATES TO GRETCHEN, IT'S A BIT OF A PERSONNEL MATTER, BUT, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, I'M ON THE OTHER PAGES, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE GRADE 11 IS THE DESIGNATION FOR THIS POSITION AS WE SEE IT. AND THEN THERE'S A SALARY SCALE, AND I'VE KIND OF HIGHLIGHTED THERE UNDER C 11. YOU'LL SEE A FIGURE OF 43, THREE 56 35, WHICH IS IN LINE IN FACT, A LITTLE MORE THAN THE 43 THAT WE WOULD ASK FOR, FOR GRETCHEN TO GET HER IN LINE WITH WHAT WE FEEL SHE IS DUE. UM, THE FICA VRS, IS IT A VRS IS THE RETIREMENT. YOU'LL SEE THE RETIREMENT LINE ON, IN THERE WITH NOTHING IN IT. THAT'S I HAVE A LEFTOVER CATEGORY FROM, FROM LAST YEAR. THERE'S REALLY NOT A FIGURE FOR THAT BECAUSE RETIREMENT FOR GRETCHEN AND MYSELF IS COVERED UNDER THE VRS, THE VIRGINIA RETIREMENT SYSTEM, AND THEN THE DEFERRED COMPENSATION, WHICH WAS A PART OF MY CONTRACT FOR EMPLOYMENT. AND THAT'S COVERED THERE, HOSPITAL AND MEDICAL, YOU'LL SEE GROUP MEDICAL AND INSURANCE AND WORKERS' COMP. THOSE ARE BASED OFF LAST YEAR. THEY MAY BE A LITTLE HIGHER THIS YEAR. WE DON'T KNOW. I'VE ASKED JODIE TO HELP ME WITH MORE ACCURATE FIGURES FOR THIS COMING FISCAL YEAR. THEY WON'T BE MUCH, IT, IT SHOULD JUST BE A FEW DOLLARS, IF ANYTHING, ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS. UM, AND THIS IS A BIT OF A, OF AN, A NOMINATE, AN ANOMALY W OH, I'M SORRY. SO THE THIRD TIME WAS THE ACCIDENT COST TODAY. OKAY. UNDER YOU MEAN WORKER'S COMP 35. OH YES. YES. THE 35, FOUR 78 88. THAT'S WHAT WE BELIEVE THE COST IS FOR THIS UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR. OKAY. SO IS THE 27 [02:35:01] THIS YEAR? HIS ACTUAL NUMBER? I BELIEVE SO, YES. OKAY. AND WE CAN DOUBLE CHECK THOSE. YEAH. BECAUSE WE'RE NOT EXPECTING THE 25% INCREASE AT THE COUNTY. OKAY. LET ME CHECK ON THAT. LET ME FIND OUT WHAT'S WHAT THE DEAL IS. UH, WE COULD, UH, OKAY. A QUESTION I WOULD HAVE IS WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN, UH, GET OUR, UH, HOSPITALIZATION, UH, OTHER INSURANCES THROUGH THE COUNTY SO THAT WE COULD HOPEFULLY GET A BETTER RATE. ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE OF COURSE IS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE A SOLO AND, AND SO THOSE ARE, THOSE COSTS ARE ALWAYS HIGHER. I THOUGHT YOU WERE ON THE COUNTY HOSPITALIZATION. YEAH. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. THAT'S WHY I SAY I D I'M NOT EXPECTING IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A 25% INCREASE FOR THE COUNTY, THAT'S GOING TO SHARPEN A LOT OF THEM. RIGHT. WE HAVE BIGGER PROBLEMS, DON'T WE? OKAY. YEAH. I'LL BE GLAD THAT THEY'LL WORK WITH JODY AND YOU TO MAKE SURE WE GET THE RIGHT FIGURE THERE. SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. UM, OUR LEGAL FEES, SO UNDER LEGAL FEES AND, UM, ITEM 3001, YOU'LL SEE $12,000 THERE FOR THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR. AND THAT'S, THAT'S A NUMBER THAT WAS PLUGGED IN, UM, UH, LAST SUMMER IN PREPARATION FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR'S BUDGET, BASED ON THE PREMISE THAT WE MAY BECOME A COUNTY DEPARTMENT, IN WHICH CASE OSTENSIBLY COUNTY ATTORNEYS WOULD BE HANDLING OUR, OUR, OUR LEGAL MATTERS. AND SO THAT WAS A NUMBER THAT WAS PLUGGED IN BY THE FORMER COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, UM, IN WHAT HE FELT WOULD BE A GOOD NUMBER IN CASE WE DID BECOME A DEPARTMENT, BUT OF COURSE WE DIDN'T. SO THE NUMBER THAT I'VE PLUGGED IN THERE, 78,500 IS BASED ON OUR, IS BASED ON OUR ACTUAL LEGAL BILLS ARE YEAR TO DATE LEGAL BILLS BETWEEN, UM, GRIM TABES AND PAN HDAC AND THE POND LAW FIRM, WHICH HELPS US WITH OUR USDA LOAN COLLECTIONS. SO WE THINK THAT THAT'S, THAT'S A MORE, YOU WERE AT FIGURE OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED. IF AGAIN, WE REMAIN A STANDALONE ORGANIZATION, SHOULD WE BECOME A COUNTY DEPARTMENT? WE COULD CERTAINLY REVISIT THAT. SO YOU'LL SEE AN INCREASE. THERE IS 66,500. YOU CAN LOOK AT IT THAT WAY, BUT THE TRUTH IS THAT 12,000 WAS, WAS NOT AN ACCURATE NUMBER JUST BECAUSE OF WHAT WE THOUGHT OUR STATUS MIGHT BE AT THE TIME. SO LOOKING ON DOWN THROUGH HERE, THE BIGGER INCREASES THAT WE'RE RUNNING INTO, UM, ARE, LET'S SEE HERE, MARKETING MARKETING, WE'RE ASKING FOR $10,000. SURE. WE HAD NO BUDGET BEFORE. UM, DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE BALL DRIVE BUILDING, I NOTED THAT'S A TOP PRIORITY FOR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO SEE, TO SEE US GET RID OF THAT BUILDING, WHICH IS COSTING THE TAXPAYERS 25,000 A MONTH. SO IN AN EFFORT TO MOVE THAT BUILDING IN OUR STEVEN'S PROPERTIES ARE HAPPY CREEK AND HALF TAX PROPERTIES. WE WOULD HUMBLY AND RESPECTFULLY REQUEST SOME MONEY TO, TO MARKET THOSE. I FEEL THAT THAT THE MOST TARGETED AND EFFECTIVE AND COST-EFFECTIVE MARKETING WOULD BE WORKING WITH THE SITE SELECTORS GUILD, WHICH IS A NATIONAL ORGANIZATION OF SITE SELECTION AGENTS. WE DON'T HAVE TO JOIN AS A MEMBER. WE CAN PARTICIPATE IN THEIR EVENTS, WHICH WILL GET US EITHER VIRTUALLY OR PHYSICALLY FACE-TO-FACE WITH SITE SELECTION CONSULTANTS, WHO, WHO MAKE THE DECISIONS OR HELP COMPANIES WHO ARE LOOKING TO EXPAND OR RELOCATE, MAKE DECISIONS AS TO WHERE TO GO. ALSO, I WOULD CONSIDER IF DEPENDING ON THE COVID CRISIS, THE VIRGINIA ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP OFTEN DOES VISITS TO OTHER STATES TO TRY TO RECRUIT BUSINESSES OFTEN TO DC AND MARYLAND WITH WHOM VIRGINIA IS VERY COMPETITIVE, GIVEN THEIR I'LL SAY, PERCEIVED BUSINESS CLIMATE VERSUS VIRGINIAS. AND THEN ALSO THEY ALSO TARGET SPECIFIC INDUSTRIES LIKE THE FOOD PRODUCTION INDUSTRY, WHICH IS ONE OF OUR TARGETS, OR EVEN LOGISTICS, MANUFACTURING, ADVANCED MANUFACTURING, AND SO FORTH. SO I THINK THOSE ARE COST-EFFECTIVE WAYS THAT WE CAN MARKET OUR BUILDING AND OUR, IN OUR LANDS WITHOUT SPENDING A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY. YOU CAN SPEND THOUSANDS ON MAGAZINE ADS [02:40:01] AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF THAT IN MY EXPERIENCE DOESN'T REALLY PRODUCE RESULTS. YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO BE IN THE ROOM WITH THE BUSINESSES AND THE CONSULTANTS. AND I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE TO START IS WITH THOSE TWO ACTIVITIES. UM, OUR, OUR MAINTENANCE HAS BEEN A LITTLE MORE THAN WHAT WE THOUGHT YEAR TO DATE. UM, AT THE, AT THE 400 KENDRICK LANE BUILDING, WE MAY WELL HAVE OTHER MAINTENANCE ITEMS OUT THROUGH THERE. SO WE PUT AN EXTRA $5,000 IN THERE FOR THE UPKEEP AT KENDRICK LANE. UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE, THE OTHER FIGURES WE PUT IN, BUT WE'VE ALSO SAVED. WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT A LOT OF DECREASES. YOU LOOK AT ELECTRIC AND WATER, SEWER AND TRASH. SINCE WE SOLD FOUR OH FOUR FAIRGROUND, THOSE APARTMENTS AND THE MARKET, THE STOKES MARKET, THOSE PLACES WERE EATING THIS UP. AND SINCE WE GOT RID OF THEM, WE'RE, WE'RE ENJOYING QUITE A BIT OF COST SAVINGS THERE, PROFESSIONAL FEES, ACCOUNTING. SO WE HAD $10,000 BUDGETED THIS YEAR. I PUT IN 2000 BY JULY 1ST. OKAY. WE'RE VERY CONFIDENT. WE'LL HAVE OUR AUDITS DONE BY THEN. AND THE WORK THAT CAROLYN IS DOING WITH BJ WILSON TO SORT OUT LEACH RUN WILL BE DONE. SHE TOLD ME THAT THEY ARE ABOUT 85% DONE WORKING WITH EACH OTHER TO RECONCILE THE TOWN'S RECORDS ON LEACH RUN AND OURS, NEITHER CAROLINE NOR BJ HAVE YET TO RECEIVE ANY AUTHORIZATION TO WORK ON DETERMINING THE, THE ALLEGED OVERPAYMENTS BY THE TOWN, TO THE EDA, WHETHER OR NOT THIS BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, MY BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND THE TOWN WOULD AUTHORIZE THEM TO WORK ON THAT, WHICH IS AT THE CRUX OF THAT PART OF THE LAWSUIT REMAINS TO BE SEEN, BUT GOING FORWARD, I THINK MOST OF CAROLYN'S ACTIVITIES WOULD BE RELATED TO WORKING WITH OUR ATTORNEYS ON BOTH THE LAWSUIT, US AGAINST MS. MCDONALD AND THE TOWN VERSUS US AND US VERSUS THE TOWN. SO HOW MUCH SHE'S NEEDED THERE. I'M NOT SURE YET. I PLUGGED INTO GRANT. I'VE GOT MESSAGES OUT TO RO TO OUR ATTORNEYS TO SEE HOW MUCH OF HER TIME THEY THINK THEY'LL NEED GOING FORWARD. SO THAT WAS THAT FIG, UM, INSURANCE HAS GONE DOWN PRETTY SUBSTANTIALLY. AGAIN, DUE TO THE SALE OF SOME PROPERTIES, CAPITAL EXPENDITURES. WE PUT IN 63,000 IN ORDER TO GET THE OTHER SIDE OF OUR BUILDING SUITABLE, TO RENT, WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO DO, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIX THE ROOF IN ONE FASHION OR ANOTHER. I'VE GOTTEN SEVERAL ESTIMATES FOR SEVERAL DIFFERENT TYPES OF FIXES. THE HVAC OVER THERE IS GOING TO NEED CLEANED AND INSPECTED FOR BLACK MOLD. IT'S GOT THAT. WE GOT TO DO THAT PLUMBING AND PLASTER REPAIRS. THERE IS A WATER LEAK IN SPACE, A SMALL ONE. WE NEED TO GET THAT FIXED AND GET THE PLASTER REPAIRED IN AN EFFORT TO SAVE MORE IN UTILITIES OUT THERE. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A CUTOFF VALVE INSTALLED ON OUR WATER LINE. THERE IS A SINGLE WATER LINE COMING INTO THAT BUILDING FOR THE ENTIRE BUILDING. THERE'S NO SEPARATE WATER METERS OR ANYTHING. SO UNTIL WE DO SOMETHING WITH THAT OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING, WE'RE GOING TO PUT IN A SHUTOFF VALVE SO WE CAN SHUT THE WATER OFF, DRAIN THE LINES, AND THEN CUT OFF THE HEAT, NOT THE ELECTRIC, JUST THE HEAT. AND THAT SHOULD SAVE US QUITE A BIT OF MONEY. WE NEED TO LEAVE THE ELECTRICAL NEURON TO SOME PUMPS AS WE'VE RECENTLY DISCOVERED, UM, THAT SERVICE IT AS WE STAND NOW, IT ALL REMAINS THE SAME. I'M CARRYING OVER FROM YEAR TO YEAR ON THE EXPENSE SIDE. AND THEN AGAIN, I LEFT IT OUT ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE I BELIEVE OUR CURRENT PHILOSOPHY IS WE'RE DONE PAYING ON THAT. SO, AND THEN ON THE INCOME SIDE ON THAT SERVICE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE FIGURE WARREN COUNTY CAPITAL DEBT SERVICE, YOU'LL SEE FIVE 93, FOUR OH SEVEN 57. SO THAT'S THE FIGURE THAT I BACKED INTO BASED ON OUR DEBT SERVICE EXPENSE, MINUS WHAT WE GET FROM MR. TRAN ON THE IT FEDERAL LOAN THAT HE HAS WITH US MINUS THE BALL DRIVE REIMBURSEMENTS THAT WE GENEROUSLY [02:45:01] GET FROM THE COUNTY AND HOPE TO CONTINUE TO GET FROM THE COUNTY. AND THEN THE LEECH RUN PARKWAY REIMBURSEMENT. THIS IS A REIMBURSEMENT THAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY ENJOYED. AND THEN I UNDERSTAND THAT THE COUNTY HAS SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THAT GOING FORWARD, WHICH I WOULD BE GLAD TO DISCUSS AT YOUR ALL'S LEISURE, WHETHER IT'S HERE OR LATER, IF WE DON'T GET THAT TWO OH THREE, FOUR 84 GOING FORWARD, THEN WE WOULD ESSENTIALLY NEED TO ADD THAT TO THE FIVE 93, FOUR OH SEVEN 57 IN ORDER TO CONTINUE TO SERVICE OUR DEBT AT, AT THAT LEVEL. SO HOW ABOUT IF I STOP THERE AND SEE IF YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE BOARD'S INFORMATION? I'M NOT INCLUDING LEE TRON PARKWAY IN THE DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS AT THIS POINT, BUT WE ARE PREPARED TO PAY WITH THE TOWN AT ANY TIME. THE TOWN IS READY TO RESOLVE THIS LEACH RUN PARKWAY AND PUT IT TO BED. AND JUST SO YOU'LL KNOW WHAT WE'VE PREVIOUSLY BILLED THE COUNTY AND UNSUCCESSFULLY INVOICE. THE TOWN FOR ARE ONLY THOSE EXPENSES THAT CAROLYN WAS ABLE TO FIND THE DOCUMENTATION TO BACK UP AS BEING LEGITIMATE EXPENSES. SHE HAS NOT BILLED THE COUNTY FOR ANYTHING LEACH RUN OR OTHERWISE THAT SHE WASN'T ABLE TO PROVE WERE TRULY LEGITIMATE EXPENSES, NO FRAUD. AND SHE'S WORKING WITH, UM, MR. WILSON, THE TOWN'S FINANCE DIRECTOR TO VERIFY THAT THOSE EXPENSES WERE VALID AND THERE IS BUY OFF ON BUY IN FROM BOTH. I MEAN, I CAN SPEAK TO THE TOWN'S BUY-IN. THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL. THAT WOULD BE A SUPER THING TO GET TO. ALL I CAN SAY IS RIGHT NOW THAT HEIR REGARD, OR REGARDLESS OF HER WORK WITH BJ, WE KNOW THAT THESE ARE LEGITIMATE, UM, REIMBURSEMENT REQUEST JUST BASED ON VERIFICATION WITH ENGINEERS, CONTRACTORS, OR WHOMEVER THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE WERE LEGITIMATE EXPENSES AND THAT SHE'S GOT THE PAPERWORK TO BACK THAT UP. SO IS THE TOTAL REIMBURSEMENT AMOUNT TO THE COUNTY FOR LITAS FROM PARKWAY? DOES ANYBODY KNOW $203,484 THAT'S YEAR TO DATE? WELL IT'S FOR, IS THAT A BUDGET YEAR? SEE, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO, ISN'T IT? OH, I SEE. UM, SO, SO THE WAY SHE DERIVED THAT FIGURE WAS LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENT EXPENSES FOR THE PROJECT THAT ARE UNFORTUNATELY SPREAD OVER MANY DIFFERENT LOANS. AND SOME OF THOSE LOANS HAVE BEEN CONSOLIDATED AND SHE'S HAD TO GO BACK AND UNTANGLE ALL THAT AND SPOT TOOK SO LONG. SHE HAD TO UNTANGLE EVERYTHING. SHE HAD TO MAKE SURE EACH INVOICE WAS LEGITIMATE. AND THEN IF IT'S LEGITIMATE, WHEN DID THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION BORROW THE MONEY FOR THAT DRAW DOWN? SO LET'S SAY IT WAS IN 2017, RIGHT? SO THEN SHE'S GOT TO CALCULATE THE INTEREST FROM THAT POINT FORWARD AT THAT RATE IN TERM, IF IT GOT CONSOLIDATED INTO A NEW LOAN, SHE HAD TO FOLLOW THAT PORTION OF THE DEBT THROUGH THE NEW LOAN. SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THAT'S A PRETTY STATIC FIGURE BECAUSE THAT, WELL, ACTUALLY, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT. IT'S PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST IS WHAT YOU ALL ARE REIMBURSING US FOR. NOT JUST INTEREST ON LEACH RUN. SO AT SOME POINT THAT WOULD BE PAID OFF AND I CAN ASK HER FOR LIKE A PAYOFF SCHEDULE OF WHEN THAT WOULD BE FOR, FOR THE LEECH RUNNER I WOULD BE. YEAH. CAUSE I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE TOTAL AMOUNT OVER THE SEVERAL YEARS THAT LEACHES RUN HAS BEEN ITS LIFE CYCLE, WHAT THE TOTAL AMOUNT DUE TO THE COUNTY, SHOULD WE COME TO RECONCILIATION WITH THE TOWN ON THIS MATTER? WHAT THE TOTAL AMOUNT POTENTIAL TO THE COUNTY WOULD BE. OKAY. AND I BELIEVE I MIGHT HAVE THAT HERE. I WON'T TAKE UP A LOT OF TIME LOOKING FOR IT, BUT LET ME JUST CHECK REAL QUICK. SO YEAH, I'VE, I'VE GOT A SPREADSHEET HERE I CAN SHARE WITH YOU GUYS. UM, THERE'S UH, ON THE FIRST BANK AND TRUST LOAN, THE DRAWS THAT CAN BE SUBSTANTIATED [02:50:02] AMOUNT TO $850,997 AND 73 CENTS. AND THEN ON THE FIRST BANK COMBINED LOAN I'M LOOKING HERE. OKAY. I'M NOT SEEING THAT HERE. LET ME GET THOSE FIGURES AND LET ME TALK TO HER AND MAKE SURE I'M GETTING YOU THE STRAIGHT STRAIGHT STUFF. YEP. PARK IS TOTALLY THE JOHN'S PROJECT, CORRECT? NO, YOU'RE NOT AS WELL. SO IT WAS AT THIS POINT, THE COUNTY PAY V DOT PAYS 50%. AND THEN THE COUNTY PAYS TWO-THIRDS OF THE REMAINDER AND THE TOWN PAYS ONE-THIRD OF THE REMAINDER OF THE DEBT SERVICE. ALRIGHT, BUT REMAINDER WHAT MR. PARSONS IS TALKING ABOUT. THERE IS MONEY THAT THE FORMER EDA BORROWED FOR THE PROJECT THAT DOES NOT NECESSARILY RECONCILE WITH WHAT ANYBODY OWES ON THE PHYSICAL PROJECT. OKAY. THAT'S WHERE SHE'S STILL. OKAY. YEAH. SO, AND IT SET THAT WASN'T CONFUSING ENOUGH. WE HAVE A LEACH RUN PARKWAY ALONE AND PRACTICALLY NONE OF THE MONEY IN THAT LOAN HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH LEACH RUN PARKWAY. SO THE DEBT ON THE LEACH RUN PROJECT IS CONTAINED WITHIN THE FIRST BANK COMBINED LOAN AND THE FIRST BANK AND TRUST LINE OF CREDIT. THAT'S THE DEBT INSTRUMENTS THAT WERE USED TO DRAW DOWN THE FUNDS FOR THE, THE PAYMENTS ON THE PROJECT. BUT WE STILL HAVE TO PAY THE MONTHLY PAYMENT ON THE LOAN THAT WAS TAKEN OUT FOR LEACH RUN IN SPITE OF IT, BECAUSE WE STILL, WE HAVE TO PAY IT BECAUSE IT WAS USED ELSEWHERE. THE MONEY WAS RIGHT. AND THOSE LOANS HAVE SINCE BEEN CONSOLIDATED INTO THE CURRENT COMBINED LOAN. AND THEN THERE WERE SOME OF THOSE EXPENSES IN THE LINE OF CREDIT. AND WE DO, YEAH, WE STILL GOT US, LIKE ED SAYS, WE STILL GOT TO SERVICE THAT DEBT. AND IT'S A 66 34 SPLIT BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE TOWN PER THE, THE, THE AGREEMENT YEARS BACK. AND THAT'S FOR IN TOWN PROJECTS OUT OF TOWN PROJECTS, I BELIEVE, OR 80 20. SO WHEN YOU'RE OLDER PROJECTS LIKE THE IMPROVEMENTS TO HAPPY CREEK SUCCESS, BALL DRIVE AND STEVENS, I MEAN, THIS IS GOING BACK LIKE ALMOST 20 YEARS. I BELIEVE THAT'S AN 80, 20 SPLIT SINCE IT'S OUT OF TOWN, NOBODY SERVICING ANY OF THAT? NOPE. DR. DALEY. UM, ONE QUESTION THAT I WOULD ASK IS, I KNOW LAST YEAR WE ENTERTAIN THE IDEA OF, UM, BRINGING THE EDA INTO THE COUNTY AND WE VOTED TO TAKE, I THINK WE VOTED TO WAIT ON THAT DECISION. CAN WE EVALUATE THIS YEAR? WHAT THIS COST SAVINGS WOULD BE. IF WE DID THAT BASED ON THIS BUDGET, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT. IF WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AND SEE PERHAPS IN THIS COMING JULY THAT WE MAKE THAT MOVE. I DON'T KNOW IF THE TIMING IS RIGHT TO DO THAT, BUT I MEAN, IS EVERYTHING, MAN? YES, IT IS THE EDA CLARIFY. HE DA STILL REMAINS AN INDEPENDENT ENTITY AS A BODY. CORRECT. OKAY. LIKE THE EMPLOYEE AND THE FUNCTION OF THE EDA, THE EMPLOYEES, OR FUNCTION AS AN EDA CAN COME TO THE COUNTY, THAT'S CORRECT. THE APARTMENT. AND THAT'S WHAT WE WERE CONSIDERING LAST JULY. AND WE DECIDED NOT TO DO IT BECAUSE AT THAT POINT, THE TIMING DIDN'T APPEAR IN OUR BEST INTEREST TO DO THAT. WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE COOPERATING PARTIES. RIGHT. SO, YEAH. OKAY. DO YOU ALL HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OF COURSE, WE'RE WILLING TO WORK TO ADJUST THESE LINE ITEMS. I'LL GET YOU THIS SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION YOU'VE ASKED FOR. I MAY NEED JUST A LITTLE MORE TUTORIAL FROM CAROLYN ON, ON THE, ON THE LEACH RUN. THERE IT IS EASILY THE MOST NEBULOUS THAT THAT WE HAVE AND HER AND BJ ARE PROBABLY THE ONLY TWO PEOPLE ON EARTH WHO HAVE ANY SEMBLANCE OF A HANDLE ON IT, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. SO I LOOK FORWARD TO THEM GETTING EVERYTHING RECONCILED BETWEEN THEMSELVES SO FAR, IT LOOKS PRETTY GOOD. [02:55:01] AND THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT CAROLYN'S BEEN ABLE TO HELP BJ UNDERSTANDING. THERE'S BEEN SOME THINGS THAT BJ HAS BEEN ABLE TO ENLIGHTEN US ON, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. IT'S BEEN, THEY'VE BEEN GREAT MEETINGS. I THINK WE'VE HAD FOUR MEETINGS NOW WITH THEM AND I'M REALLY PROUD OF THE PROGRESS THEY'VE MADE COOPERATION TO GET THIS THING ON TANGLED AND SETTLED IS EVERYTHING. IT'S THE ONLY WAY FORWARD. THE ONLY WAY FORWARD I CAN GIVE YOU A LITTLE UPDATE, UH, SINCE WE JUST HAD A ZOOM MEETING WITH THE TOWN, WITH THE NEW TOWN MANAGER AND, UH, AND WHATEVER MATT'S TITLE IS NOW, HE CLAIMS HE'S NOT THE ASSISTANT, BUT HE'S SOMETHING, UM, AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT AFTERNOON. UM, UH, I'M ACTUALLY IMPRESSED WITH, UH, STEVEN HICKS AND FIND THAT THAT, UH, HE AT LEAST HAS THE KIND OF ATTITUDE THAT I THINK THAT WE CAN WORK WITH. UH, HE'S AN ENGINEER BY TRAINING. I HAVE A FATHER AND TWO BROTHERS THAT ARE ENGINEERS. UH, SO I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THE PROCESS BY WHICH ENGINEERS TALK AND EVALUATE AND, AND HE'S VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD, UH, WITH IT. UM, SO I'M, I'M HOPEFUL THAT, UH, WE WILL BEGIN TO HAVE SOME MORE POSITIVE INTERACTIONS WITH THE TOWN. UH, WE ARE, UM, UH, AFTER A LONG DELAY, UH, FINALLY MOVING AHEAD WITH THE SALE OF MCKAY SPRINGS, UM, WE ARE DEEP IN NEGOTIATIONS OVER RESOLVING AND, UH, SELLING, UH, AFTON IN, UH, I'LL KNOW, MORE TOMORROW. BUT, UM, THESE ARE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SITTING ON THE BACK BURNER. UH, WE WE'VE SUGGESTED THINGS, UH, AND, UH, THE FORMER TOWN MANAGER, UH, DID NOTHING ABOUT THEM. SO, UH, IT'S USEFUL TO HAVE HIM I'M GETTING RESPONSES AND, AND HE IS MAKING DECISIONS AND WHAT HE DOES. SO THERE'S SOME LEMMER THERE. I, I KNOW THAT THIS IS A LONG-TERM PROCESS AND, UH, A BIG DISPUTE BETWEEN THEM, UH, BETWEEN THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY, BUT, UH, UH, AS, UH, AN ENTITY THAT WOULD DESPERATELY LOVE TO HAVE THE TWO ENTITIES WORKING TOGETHER WITH US. UH, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S AT LEAST SOMETHING TO BEGIN TO WORK WITH. SO AS YOU LOOK FORWARD TO BRINGING EDA WITHIN THE COUNTY, UM, YEAH, I THINK IT'S GREAT TO EVALUATE IT PROBABLY SHOULD DO IT. UH, IF YOU DON'T DO IT THIS YEAR EVALUATED EVERY YEAR THAT, THAT WE REMAIN INDEPENDENT, THAT'S A GOOD THING AND A HEALTHY THING TO DO. UH, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M SOMEWHAT HOPEFUL THAT WITH THE NEW TOWN MANAGER, WE MIGHT HAVE A, UH, A NEW DIRECTION. I'M NOT SO SURE OF TOWN COUNCIL THOUGH. SO IT'S UNCERTAIN. SO JUST TO GIVE YOU THAT UPDATE, I'M AN ETERNAL OPTIMIST. EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT, AND WE ARE GOING TO FIND A WAY FORWARD AND COOPERATIVELY WORK WITH THOSE WITH, BETWEEN THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY, BECAUSE IT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR COMMUNITY. ABSOLUTELY IT, AND IT HAS TO BE DONE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER BY HOOK OR CROOK AS MY DAD USED TO SAY. AND SO WE WILL FIGURE IT OUT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. I CAN'T SAY THAT I'M WITH YOU, DOLORES. WE HAVE TO, WITH THEM, IT'S, IT'S BEST FOR OUR COMMUNITY, THAT PEOPLE HAVE SUFFERED A LOT UNDER, YOU KNOW, THIS WHOLE SITUATION. AND IT'S TIME THAT WE JUST SAY WHAT'S PAST IS PAST AND MOVE FORWARD ON WHAT WE CAN AND WHAT WE CAN CHANGE AND WHAT WE CAN RESOLVE. SO THANK YOU. AND MAN ON THAT, YES, SIR. UM, WE'VE HEARD A WHOLE BUNCH OF NUMBERS. WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR OUR TOWN AND OUR COUNTY LATELY? THAT'S BEEN EXTREMELY POSITIVE. I THINK THERE WAS A SONG. WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR ME LATELY, JANET JACKSON, WHEN IT, WELL, AS, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WITH DECEMBER 9TH, OF COURSE, EVERYBODY KNOWS ABOUT SILENT FALCON. UM, THE ANNOUNCEMENT IS NOT THE END OF THE PROJECT OR THE END OF THE WORK. IT REALLY IS THE BEGINNING. UM, BUT THAT, THAT PROJECT IS PROJECTED TO CREATE UP TO 249 JOBS AT AN AVERAGE WAGE OF OVER 80,000 A YEAR AND BE $6 MILLION OF INVESTMENT IN COMMUNITY. IT'S A WHOLE NEW INDUSTRY FOR WARREN COUNTY AND IT WOULD BE AN ANCHOR BUSINESS AT THE AIRPORT, A ANOTHER ANCHOR BUSINESS, ALONG WITH THE HELICOPTER FOLKS OUT THERE WHO IS A GREAT ANCHOR BUSINESS AS WELL. UM, WE'VE SOLD THREE PROPERTIES GENERATING OVER $600,000 OF EXTRA PRINCIPAL PAYMENTS TO GO TOWARD THE TAXPAYERS THAT, UM, IT IS A SMALL FRACTION OF THE 39 MILLION IN DEBT THAT WE STILL HAVE, BUT WE GOT RID OF THREE PROPERTIES THAT DIDN'T BELONG IN OUR PORTFOLIO AND WERE COSTING [03:00:01] US QUITE A BIT OF MONEY IN UTILITIES AND INSURANCE. AND YOU WILL SEE THOSE COST SAVINGS REFLECTED IN, IN OUR PROPOSED NEW BUDGET WITHOUT HAVING TO BE SADDLED WITH THOSE PROPERTIES, BUSINESS RETENTION AND EXPANSION. AS I MENTIONED IN THE ANNUAL REPORT FOR THE, FOR THE LAST FISCAL YEAR WE HAD VISITED WITH, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NUMBER NOW IS EITHER TWO OR THREE DOZEN BUSINESSES HERE IN THE COUNTY AND HAVE, AND BEFORE THE COVID CRISIS, MANY OF THE ONES WE VISITED WITH, ESPECIALLY IN THE NORTHERN CORRIDOR, WE'RE LOOKING TO EXPAND AND ADD EMPLOYEES. SO WE BROUGHT RESOURCES TO THE TABLE FOR EXALTA, FOR INSTANCE, THEY WERE NOT TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE TAX CREDITS THAT THEY HADN'T RIGHTFULLY EARNED THROUGH THEIR USE OF THE VIRGINIA INLAND PORT. SO WE BROUGHT THOSE FOLKS TO THE TABLE AND, AND I BELIEVE NOW THEY HAVE APPLIED TO, TO GET THOSE TAX CREDITS FOR INSTANCE, BUT THEN BUSINESS RETENTION, WE DID A COUPLE OF INDUSTRY ROUND TABLES TO TRY TO, TO BRING THE EXISTING BUSINESSES BACK TO THE NEW EDA, THE FLEDGLING NEW EDA AT THE TIME. UM, I BELIEVE MR. STANLEY HAD MENTIONED THAT I BELIEVE IT WAS THE SECOND ONE THAT WE DID WAS ONE OF THE, THE MORE WELL ATTENDED EVENTS EVER THAT, THAT THEY'VE HAD SINCE THEY DID THESE. AND WE CERTAINLY PLAN TO DO MORE OF THOSE WHEN THE COVID CRISIS BREAKS. I THINK ONE OF THE MORE IMPORTANT THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE IS, IS REESTABLISH RELATIONSHIPS WITH VDP. UM, I CAN TELL YOU AS A FORMER EMPLOYEE, THERE IS VERY LITTLE RELATIONSHIP WITH WARREN COUNTY BEFORE I THINK WE'VE GOT A GOOD ONE. NOW THEY BROUGHT US SILENT FALCON AS A LEAD, SO THAT RE-ESTABLISHMENT PAID OFF, UM, RANDOLPH-MACON ACADEMY, UM, GETTING INVOLVED WITH THEM, BRIAN KELLY, WHO'S DONE SO MUCH WORKFORCE, UM, WITH OUR VIRTUAL TOUR VIDEO FOR THE BALL, DRY BUILDING, HE AND RANDOLPH-MACON WERE AN INSTRUMENTAL PART OF LANDING SILENT FALCON. SO HAVING BUILT THAT RELATIONSHIP OR RE-ESTABLISHED IT, UM, I BELIEVE BORE FRUIT THERE, THE REAL ESTATE COMMUNITY, WE'VE GOT GOOD RELATIONS WITH THEM. WE'RE WORKING ON A PROJECT RIGHT NOW IN THE NORTHERN CORRIDOR, UM, THAT WASN'T SUITABLE FOR ANY OF THE LANDS WE OWN. SO WE WORKED WITH FOUR DIFFERENT PRIVATE SECTOR, LAND OWNERS, AND ONE OF THOSE PROPERTIES WAS A GOOD FIT. THEY HAVE A CONTRACT OF SALE AND ARE WORKING ON SITE PLAN RIGHT NOW, AWAITING COMMENTS BACK FROM V DOT AND DEQ. AND WE'RE, WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT, THAT THAT'LL COME THROUGH THE SPRING AND WE'LL HAVE, UH, ANOTHER PROJECT TO ANNOUNCE, UM, THE REPAIRS AND REMEDIATION AT 400 KENDRICK LANE, 1325 PROGRESS DRIVE. AND WE PUT A NEW ROOF OUT A PROGRESS DRIVE, AND WE HAVE OUR TENANT OUT THERE. WHO'S CONTINUING TO PAY. THEY'RE AN EXCELLENT PAYER. AND WE DID ALL OF THIS IN THE MIDST OF SIX LAWSUITS. LET ME ADD A COUPLE OF THINGS TO DOUG'S LIST. UH, UH, WE JUST, UH, ARE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING A HALF MILLION DOLLARS, UH, ON LIABILITY INSURANCE OR JENNIFER MCDONNELL REPRESENTS THE ENTIRETY OF THE, OF, UH, UH, THE MOST THAT WE COULD GET, UH, FOR, FOR DOING THAT, UM, THAT COMES THROUGH, UH, OUR ATTORNEYS WORKING ON THE CIVIL SUIT. UM, WE CONTINUE TO, TO AGGRESSIVELY GO AFTER, UM, UH, ANY RESOURCES THAT ANY OF THE DEFENDANTS HAVE, UH, AND CONTINUE TO DO IT, OBVIOUSLY IT'S SLOWED UP BY COVID AND THE COURTS NOT HAVING JURY TRIALS, BUT WE CONTINUE TO, TO, UH, UH, DO TWO THINGS THAT ARE IN SOME, TO SOME DEGREE CONTRADICTORY. ONE IS WE'RE AGGRESSIVELY GOING AFTER THAT, AFTER SOME OF THESE PEOPLE AND TRY AND WHERE WE CAN TO GET GOOD SETTLEMENTS AT THE SAME TIME, TRYING TO HOLD OUR COSTS DOWN, UH, AND THE, IN THE PROCESS TO, TO DO THAT. AND, UH, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH SANS ANDERSON TO, UH, BOTH TO HAVE A BETTER MANAGEMENT TOOL, TO ALLOW US TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY'RE SPENDING MONEY AND WHETHER OR NOT IT'S, WE'RE GETTING GOOD BANG FOR THE BUCK FOR IT. UH, AND, UM, UH, TO GET A, UH, UH, FROM A PERCEPTUAL STANDPOINT TO NOT ALWAYS HAVE TO HAVE TWO OR THREE ATTORNEYS SHOW UP FOR, UH, ANY BRIEFINGS THAT WE HAVE, WE CAN PROBABLY DO IT JUST ONE. UM, SO, UH, JUST THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON, UM, WE, UM, ARE, UH, UH, UH, HAVE A COMPANY THAT, UH, IS, UM, INTERESTED IN MANUFACTURING, MEDICAL MARIJUANA HERE AND, AND, UH, IN THE COUNTY, [03:05:01] UM, WE JUST GOT WORD TODAY THAT THEY'RE DELAYING, UH, NOT BECAUSE OF THEIR LACK OF INTEREST IN US OR ANYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING. UH, BUT THEY, UM, UM, THE, UM, UH, FARM PHARMACY BOARD HAS ASKED THEM TO NOT DO ANYTHING RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THERE'S AN ONGOING LAWSUIT, UH, THAT, UH, THAT HAS TO BE RESOLVED. SO, UH, BUT, UH, UH, IF, IF THAT CAME TO THE COUNTY, WE'RE TALKING, UH, TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF INVESTMENT AND, UH, OVER TIME HUNDREDS OF JOBS. SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE HOPEFUL FOR THAT. UM, I'VE TALKED ABOUT WORKING WITH THE TOWN, AND I THINK THAT THAT'S CRITICAL AS WE LOOK AT OUR STRATEGIC PLAN MOVING FORWARD. UH, THAT'S ONE OF THE CRITICAL THINGS THAT WE WANT TO DO. WE'VE TRIED TO BREAK DOWN EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING IN THAT PLAN, UH, INTO THREE BASIC AREAS, WE'RE ADVOCATES FOR SOME THINGS. SO I, FOR EXAMPLE, I'M SERVING ON THE BROADBAND COMMITTEE, UH, BECAUSE WE NEED TO HAVE BROADBAND AND THE COUNTY, UM, IF, IF WE'RE GOING TO BRING, UM, UH, TECHNOLOGY, UH, COMPANIES AND, AND, UH, PEOPLE WHO COULD BE IN THE WORKFORCE IN TECHNOLOGY, WE HAVE TO HAVE GOOD BROADBAND, UH, FOR WHAT IT IS THAT WE DO. SO THAT'S AN ADVOCACY THING WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO, TO, TO, TO HELP DO THAT. UM, WE'RE FACILITATING, UH, PROJECTS, UH, IN, IN MANY CASES, UH, WHERE, UM, UH, WORKING WITH, UH, COMPANIES WHERE WE'RE NOT IMMEDIATELY BENEFITING FROM IT, UH, BUT WE'RE PUTTING THEM IN TOUCH WITH, UH, COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE AGENTS WHO CAN HELP THEM WITH THE KINDS OF PROPERTIES AND NEEDS THAT THEY HAVE AND FACILITATING THOSE, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS THEN, UM, AND THEN THE FINAL THING IS THE MANAGEMENT THAT DOUG PRIMARILY FOCUSED ON. UM, SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE DOING. UM, I, I SOMETIMES FEEL LIKE I'M BEATING ON A DEAD HORSE, BUT, UM, W WE INHERITED QUITE A HOLE AND, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT A NORMAL EDA WOULD NOT HAVE TO DO. UH, BUT WE'VE GOT A, A GOOD SOLID TEAM, UH, HERE AND, UH, A GOOD GROUP, BUT, UH, UM, I'M VERY PLEASED WITH THE STAFF AND THE, AND THE WILLING, THEIR WILLINGNESS TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND. AND, UM, I DON'T, I SUSPECT THERE'S NOT A HARDER WORKING BOARD IN THE, IN THE COUNTY. UM, UM, I I'D LIKE TO, I TH I THINK THAT PEOPLE HAVE A PASSION FOR IT, BUT ALSO THERE'S A NECESSITY THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO WORK HARD, UH, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE FIGHTING AT LEAST A TWO FRONT WAR, POSSIBLY A THREE FRONT WAR WITH ALL THE LAWSUITS, UH, UM, UH, WITH, UH, THE CONFUSION OVER THE CONTRACTS THAT WE'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH, AND THEN JUST DOING NORMAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THINGS THAT WERE, YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO LEAVE A DOG AS FREE AS POSSIBLE TO WORK ON THOSE THINGS. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE KEEP PRETTY BUSY. SO DOUG, I HAVE A QUESTION, MADAM CHAIRMAN, IF I CAN ASK ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES WITH WORKING WITH THE TOWN. AND THE THING THAT I HEAR MOST FREQUENTLY FROM THEM IS ABOUT OUR FOCUS. THE EDA IS FOCUSED ON DOING SOMETHING TO HELP FILL THE BUILDINGS DOWNTOWN ON MAIN STREET, OR DEALING WITH BLIGHTED STUFF. CAN YOU TELL ME, IS THAT A TYPICAL, UM, FUNCTION OF AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY AND WHAT WOULD BE THE, THE STEPS IN ORDER TO, TO DO SOME OF THAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT? CERTAINLY IT CERTAINLY IS. UM, YOU KNOW, AND EDA IS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, HAVE DIFFERENT SCOPES OF WORK, DIFFERENT FOCUSES, SOME FOCUS JUST ON THE TYPE OF BUSINESS IN THE NORTHERN CORRIDOR. THEY DON'T TOUCH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, THEY DON'T TOUCH RETAIL OR SERVICE SECTOR DEVELOPMENT. UH, SOME DO BOTH, AND THEN SOME DO MORE JUST COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. WE'RE MORE THAN WILLING TO WORK WITH THE TOWN TO, UM, TO HELP DEVELOP DOWN THERE. AND IN FACT, RECENTLY WE HAD A, A CLIENT FOR SPACE B AT OUR BUILDING, A MUSIC STUDIO, AND OUR BOARD JUST DIDN'T FEEL THAT A MUSIC STUDIO WOULD BE A PARTICULARLY GOOD THING THERE BECAUSE IT MAY COMPROMISE OUR ABILITY TO RENT OUT SPACE. SAY IF THERE'S PEOPLE THUMPING ON BASES AND DRUMS AND SO FORTH, NO MATTER HOW WELL YOU SOUNDPROOF IT. I MEAN, I PLAYED ENOUGH MUSIC TO KNOW IT'S HARD TO KEEP BASS AND, AND YOUR BASS DRUM SOUNDS FROM PENETRATING A WALL. SO WE REFERRED HIM TO, UM, A, A COUPLE OF, OF OPTIONS DOWNTOWN AND IT PANNED OUT FOR ONE OF THEM. SO WE HAVE SUCCESSFULLY PUT, UM, A CLIENT ON MAIN STREET. EXCELLENT. UM, ANOTHER THING TO, UM, SIGN AND FALCONS GOING TO NEED OFFICE SPACE. [03:10:01] UM, WE'VE IDENTIFIED PRIVATE SECTOR AND PUBLIC SECTOR OPPORTUNITIES FOR THAT OFFICE SPACE. UH, THREE OF THE FOUR OF THEM ARE IN TOWN. I THINK THE CLIENT WOULD VERY MUCH ENJOY BEING DOWNTOWN. THERE'LL BE 20 TO 30 FOLKS PHYSICALLY LOCATED IN THE OFFICE SPACE BY THE END OF THE YEAR. THAT'S THE PROJECTION. AGAIN, THESE PEOPLE MAKE, THESE ARE SOFTWARE DEVELOPERS AND ENGINEERS. THEY CAN AFFORD TO EAT LUNCH EVERY DAY DOWNTOWN ON MAIN STREET, UH, MR. HAWKS, ICE CREAM, UH, THE MILL, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE SHOPS DOWN THERE. SO IT'S, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. AND, UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO LOCATE THEM HERE IN TOWN. UM, IF, IF WE GET COOPERATION FROM THE TOWN IN THAT REGARD, ONE THING I WANTED TO MENTION TOO, UM, GETTING BACK TO MS. JACKSON AND WONDERING WHAT WE'VE DONE FOR HER LATELY. UM, WE DID GET THREE SHORT TERM STORAGE LEASES AT THE BALL, DRY BUILDING, FAMILY DOLLAR, A COMNET AND INTERCHANGE THAT ACCOUNTS FOR $7,558 A MONTH, WHICH IS 30% OF THE TOTAL COST OF OWNERSHIP OF THE BUILDING. IT'S A, IT'S A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF IT, BUT IT'S SOMETHING, UM, DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS WITH PARALLEL, UM, WE, WE COULD GET MORE OF THAT TYPE OF ACTIVITY TO HELP DEFRAY THOSE COSTS, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR THE TAXPAYER, UNTIL WE ULTIMATELY SELL IT TO THE RIGHT FOLKS. LET ME JUST AMPLIFY JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS. THE 600 POUND GORILLA IN THE, IN THE CONVERSATION IS THE TOWN, UH, CREATING ITS OWN, UH, EDA. UM, I'VE RAISED THAT WITH MR. HICKS AND, UH, HE SAID, WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST THAT WE, WE, WE DO ABOUT IT, GIVE ME THE PROS AND CONS, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS, UH, A NICE WAY TO, FOR HIM TO FOCUS ON IT. UM, AND, UM, THE, THE ARGUMENT THAT I MADE TO HIM WAS, UM, THAT, UH, IF THEY WANT TO FOCUS ON REDEVELOPMENT AND TOURISM, WHETHER THEY HAVE AN EDA OR THEY USE SOME OTHER ENTITY TO DO IT, THOSE WOULD BE GREAT THINGS. I SAID, WE INTEND TO DO THOSE. IF, UH, IF THE TOWN DOESN'T BEGIN TO DO THEM, BECAUSE THAT IS PART OF OUR MANDATE FOR WHAT IT IS WE DO, BUT IF YOU WANT TO WORK TOGETHER, UH, HERE'S THE WAY THAT WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, THAT WE COULD WORK TOGETHER AND NOT HAVE A CONFLICT WITH WHAT WE DO TODAY IN CONVERSATIONS. ANOTHER THING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WAS HE SAID, UM, I NEED TO UNDERSTAND HOW ADA MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP US FUND A PURCHASING PROPERTY. AND I SAID, WE WILL, WE'LL WALK THROUGH THE STEPS AND, AND DO THAT. SO I I'M, I'M HOPEFUL THAT, UM, UH, IN THE PROCESS OF THE DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM, THAT WE BEGAN TO HIT ON SOME OF THOSE, UH, UH, ISSUES THAT YOU'RE FOCUSED ON, AND THEN MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE TOWN COUNTY RELATIONSHIP AND WHAT IT IS THAT THEY DO. SO THAT'S JUST TO GIVE YOU THAT EXTRA BIT THERE. UM, THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT'S REALLY VERY NEW, UH, AND UNFORTUNATELY IT DID NOT WORK OUT, BUT WE WERE, UH, ASKED YESTERDAY IF WE COULD MAKE MY DRIVE AVAILABLE FOR THE, UH, VACCINE, UH, DISTRIBUTION. UH, AND, UM, WE, WE WERE AT THE POINT WHERE OUR BOARD HAD COMPLETELY VOTED IN FAVOR OF IT. WE WERE WORKING THROUGH THE THINGS THAT WE NEEDED TO DO, AND THEN APPARENTLY, UM, UH, UH, UH, REFERRALS GOING TO THE EAST, GOING IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. THAT WAS PRETTY MATURE. YEAH. SO, UM, BUT, UH, WE, WE SEE OUR ROLE AS, AS ONE OF DOING A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS. UM, WE HAVEN'T DONE THE, THE TOWN THINGS BECAUSE THEY'RE IN A BETTER POSITION, FRANKLY, TO DO THEM REDEVELOPMENT AND TOURISM, I THINK ARE UNIQUELY TOWN THINGS THAT THEY COULD DO WELL. UH, AND I WOULD ADVOCATE FOR THEM TO TAKE THAT AND THEN TO COORDINATE WITH US. AND I SAID, WE'LL, WE'LL WORK ON THE FINANCING, WE'LL WORK ON, UM, YOU KNOW, OTHER TRADITIONAL EDA THING. SO I'M HOPEFUL THAT THAT'S WHERE WE GO. UM, WE'RE PROBABLY STRETCHED A BIT THIN TO DO THE THINGS, UH, THAT, THAT, UM, THAT THE TOWN IS, IS, IS, UH, FO FOCUSED ON, UH, FOR US TO BE DOING. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S WHAT NEEDS TO GET DONE, THEN THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. SO LAST NIGHT, THE MAYOR STATED IN THE MEETING THAT THE TOWN THAT THE EDA WAS INSOLVENT AND COULDN'T GET LOAN TO HELP WITH A PURCHASE OF A BUILDING. SO CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? YEAH. W WELL, UM, FOR FIRST OF ALL, THE, UM, AND THIS IS MY BELIEF, WE'VE JUST STARTED THE PROCESS OF, OF WORKING THROUGH IT. UH, BUT, UM, UH, WE PROBABLY EDA ITSELF, UH, COULD NOT GET ALONE AT THIS POINT. I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY PRETTY CLEAR, UH, IN THE PROCESS, BUT IF THE TOWN [03:15:01] WORKED WITH US ON THEIR, WITH THEIR MORAL OBLIGATION, THERE'S NO REASON WHY WE CAN'T FACILITATE THAT. AND THAT GOES TO THOSE THREE THINGS THAT WE DO TO FACILITATE THEM, UM, UH, GETTING THE LOAN AND, AND US PURCHASING IT ON THEIR BEHALF. SO, UM, I THINK THAT IT'S GOING TO WORK OUT, BUT WE HAVEN'T WORKED THROUGH THE LEGAL ELEMENTS OF THAT, UH, IN THE, IN THE PROCESS. AND THAT, THAT PROBABLY IS FILED. THAT CAME UP TODAY AS A, AS A QUESTION. SO ASKING THE COUNTY FOR MONEY, WOULDN'T YOU WANT THE TOWN TO RESOLVE THEIR PRIOR MORAL OBLIGATIONS TO YOU BEFORE YOU MAKE WELL, WE SURE, OF COURSE. THAT'S GOING TO BE OBVIOUSLY, UH, IN, IN THE, IN THE, IN THE PROCESS, UH, OF, OF WHAT IT IS THAT WE, WE DO. SO, BUT, UH, YEAH, BUT IT IS SOMETHING WE CAN DO, UM, WHETHER WE CHOOSE TO, IF THEY, IF THEY HAVEN'T, UH, MET THEIR OBLIGATIONS, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE, YOU KNOW, THROWING GOOD MONEY AFTER BAD. AND THEN IF I MADE IS ANOTHER ELEMENT, YOU KNOW, WHERE I NEED DA WE'RE ALSO AN IDA AND INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY AND THE DIFFERENCES, IT'S THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY COMPONENT OF US THAT ALLOWS US TO GO OUT AND GET BONDS FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS OR DO CAPITAL PROJECTS LIKE LEACH RUN, UM, CHRISTENDOM COLLEGE, ROYAL ALARMS, AND SO FORTH. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I SUPPOSE WE COULD CONTINUE TO DO IF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WOULD WANT US TO, WE'RE WANT TO DO THEM FOR THE TOWN THOUGH, WE MIGHT WANT TO RESOLVE THE LITTLE $20 MILLION LAWSUIT AND MAYBE HAVE THEM PAY HIM, PAY US WHAT THEY OWE US. WE CAN PAY THEM WHAT WE OWE THEM. I MEAN, I WOULD HUMBLY SUGGEST THAT WE ACHIEVE THOSE THINGS BEFORE WE LOOK AT DIVING INTO ANY MORE MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR PROJECTS FOR ANYTHING WITH THEM, BUT BACK TO A TOWN GROUP, IF THE TOWN WANTS TO HAVE THEIR OWN GROUP, I THOUGHT, I THINK THAT'S FINE. UM, YOU LOOK AT LOUDON COUNTY AND LEESBURG LOUDON COUNTY AS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY THAT GENERALLY CONCENTRATES ON DATA CENTERS, UM, WHAT LITTLE MANUFACTURING THEY HAVE A CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS, UM, AND, AND THOSE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT. WHEREAS THE TOWN OF LEESBURG IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT WORKS ON, YOU KNOW, THE HUB ZONE THAT THEY HAVE, UM, THE MASON ENTERPRISE CENTER OF THE INCUBATOR THAT THEY HAVE THERE, THEY WORK ON JOB FAIRS, OTHER COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES. OH, NO, I WAS JUST SAYING, I THINK WE LOST IT. YEAH. SEVEN 30. YEAH. YEP. OH, NO. SORRY. SO, OKAY. UM, THAT'S THAT'S YEAH. THAT'S, THAT'S ABOUT, I THINK THAT'S IT. YEP. ALL RIGHT. WELL, WE NEED TO GET CONNECTED BACK UP WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. OKAY. I'LL GET YOU THAT LEACH RUN STUFF. AND CHERYL, I GOT YOUR EMAIL ABOUT THE BROADBAND AND I'LL JUMP ON THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. OKAY. HE'S STILL THERE AS THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, IT CUT ITSELF OFF. YES. WHEN DID TELEVISIONS LEARN TO DO THAT? ABOUT, ABOUT 50 SECONDS AGAIN, THAT'S WHY THEY CALL THEM SMART TVS. WOW. STOP RECALLING GREEN ON THE GOOGLE MEET. AND WE ALSO HAVE LEANNE SWEENEY. THEY'RE BOTH WITH THE LORD FAIRFAX HEALTH DEPARTMENT. DR. GREEN. I APOLOGIZE FOR BEING SO LATE MUTED. YEAH, I GOT IT. OKAY. NOW IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU WERE DEEPLY INTO SOMETHING THERE. SO I DID SOME OTHER WORK IN THE MEANTIME. WELL, I APOLOGIZE. AND THANK YOU FOR HOLDING ON, SO THIS IS LEANNE SWEENEY. CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME OKAY? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. HELLO. UM, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME SLEEPING. UM, AND I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU GUYS KIND OF AN UPDATE OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, WE'VE BEEN PRETTY BUSY. UM, AS I SAID, MY NAME IS LEANNE SWEENEY ON THE NEWS DISTRICT ADMINISTRATOR FOR THE LORD FAIRFAX HEALTH DISTRICT, WHICH INCLUDES THE WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT WITH ME TODAY. DR. CONQUERING THE DISTRICT HEALTH DIRECTOR FOR FISCAL YEAR 2021 HAS BEEN A CHALLENGING YEAR FOR OUR HEALTH DEPARTMENT. DURING THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC. THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR MANY TASKS TO UPHOLD OUR MISSION, TO PROTECT THE HEALTH AND PROMOTE THE [03:20:01] WELLBEING OF ALL PERSONS IN VIRGINIA. AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PANDEMIC, WE STARTED DOING CASE INVESTIGATIONS AND CONTACT TRACING TO HELP MINIMIZE THE SPREAD. THIS CONTINUES EVERY DAY, WE PROVIDED A FEW TESTING EVENTS FOR THE PROBLEM WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF THE VIRGINIA NATIONAL GUARD. OUR STAFF HAS ASSISTED LONG-TERM CARE FACILITY BY PROVIDING SUPPORT AND TESTING TO HELP PREVENT THE SPREAD AND ROLLABLE POPULATIONS. OTHER STAFF HAVE DELIVERED MEDICATIONS AND FOOD TO INDIVIDUALS WHO HAD TO QUARANTINE AND DID NOT HAVE FAMILY TO ASSIST THEM. WE BEGAN VACCINATIONS AT THE END OF DECEMBER, THE WORD COUNTY EMS WAS ACTUALLY ON DECEMBER 31ST AND JANUARY 4TH. WE COMPLETED OUR FIRST PUBLIC VENTING OF IT YESTERDAY. WE WERE PLANNING FOR PODS AND WARREN COUNTY VERY SOON. AND WE WORKING IN COLLABORATION WITH VALLEY HEALTH TO MAKE SURE WE GET THE WARREN COUNTY RESIDENTS FASCINATED WITH ALL THESE TASKS. WE HAVE CONTINUED TO PROVIDE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH SERVICES, VITAL RECORDS, AND WE BEGAN OFFERING TELEHEALTH APPOINTMENTS TO CONTINUE TO SERVE OUR MEDICAL CLIENTS. WE APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT. WARREN COUNTY CONTINUES TO PROVIDE TO THE WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT FOR FISCAL YEAR 22. WE HAVE REQUESTED LESS THAN WE DID A PHYSICAL YEAR, 21. WE UNDERSTAND THE PANDEMIC HAS AFFECTED ALL ORGANIZATIONS AND WE WERE ABLE TO RETURN SOME FUNDS FROM FISCAL YEAR 20. WE DID NOT NEED THIS MONTH. WE ADDED AN ADDITIONAL NURSE AND STAFF OFFICE STAFF MEMBER TO WORK IN THE WARREN COUNTY OFFICE THREE DAYS A WEEK. WE HAVE SEEN AN INCREASE IN VOLUME AND OUR SERVICES, AND WE WANT TO SUPPORT WARREN COUNTY RESIDENTS IN A TIMELY MANNER. WE HOPE YOU WILL. OUR REQUEST FOR THE FISCAL YEAR, YOU BUDGET AND LOOK FORWARD TO PROVIDING WARREN COUNTY AND ITS RESIDENTS WITH OUR SERVICES. YES, SIR. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY HOW MUCH WE APPRECIATE THE WORK OF THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT WORKING WITH MR. PHARELL AND OUR STAFF IN TRYING TO STAY AHEAD OF THIS PANDEMIC AND WHAT THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO TO INITIATE OUR VACCINES. ABSOLUTELY. I'D LIKE TO ECHO THAT. I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE AND CONTINUE TO DO IT'S UM, TERRITORY. I KNOW IT'S NONE OF US HAVE BEEN IN, SO, UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND DO I LOOK AT THIS CORRECTLY? THEY ARE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT A 2.7% DECREASE FROM US. THIS WILL BE THE EASIEST BUDGET. YOU HAVE YOUR ENTIRE BUDGET MA'AM AND THAT'S AFTER A YEAR, THIS WILL BE THE EASIEST ONE TO APPROVE. ABSOLUTE. YEAH. AND THAT'S ON TOP OF YOU JUST SAID YOU HAD TO HIRE AN EXTRA NURSE, UM, AND STILL WERE ABLE TO DO THIS. WE NEED TO GET YOU ALL TO MANAGE ALL THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS CAN HAVE A BEAUTIFUL, WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. AND I APOLOGIZE AGAIN FOR MAKING YOU WAIT SO LONG TO GIVE US SUCH GOOD NEWS. WELL, BORE COUNTY'S ALWAYS BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE OF US AND WE DO APPRECIATE THAT. AND, UH, WE, WE LOVE WORKING WITH YOU GUYS AND WE LOVE BEING IN YOUR BUILDING FULL DISCLOSURE. WE DIDN'T HIRE THE EXTRA HELP. WE ACTUALLY, UH, WE ACTUALLY BORROWED IT FROM ANOTHER DISTRICT FROM ANOTHER DEPARTMENT AND OTHER COUNTY, AND IT WAS JUST A WORKFLOW ISSUE. WARREN HAD MORE WORKFLOW AND THE OTHER ONE HAD LESS WELL THAT'S APPRECIATED. ABSOLUTELY. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OTHER THAN APPRECIATION FOR ALL THEY DO? MADAM CHAIR, IF I MAY, UM, LEANNE, WOULD YOU MIND EMAILING ME THAT STATEMENT THAT YOU JUST READ? THIS IS EMILY SHAHRAKI. I SENT YOU THE GOOGLE MEET INFORMATION EMAIL EARLIER TODAY. I CAN DO THAT. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. I WANT TO INCLUDE IT IN MY MINUTES FOR THIS WORK SESSION. OKAY. THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY. NO PROBLEM. NO QUESTION. I'M GOING TO ASK A NAIVE QUESTION IS THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, THE PRIMARY PURVEYOR OF THE VACCINATIONS ARE, ARE THEY IN CHARGE OF THE VACCINES DR. GREEN? THAT WOULD BE, YEAH. SO WE ARE, WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE EQUITABLE DISTRIBUTION OF THE VACCINE AND INAPPROPRIATE DISTRIBUTION. UH, AS FAR AS PHYSICALLY HANDING OUT THE SHOTS, WE CAN EITHER DO IT OURSELVES OR MAKE SURE IT GETS DONE. AND IN THIS DISTRICT, WE'RE PARTICULARLY BLESSED TO HAVE VALLEY HEALTH AS A PARTNER, AND THEY HAVE NOT ONLY BEEN DOING A OF THE TESTING THAT WE'VE REQUIRED DURING THIS PANDEMIC AT, AT VERY MINIMAL COMPENSATION TO THEMSELVES, IF ANY, AND THEY'RE ALSO DOING THE SAME THING WITH A VACCINATION. SO THE, UH, THERE'LL BE, THERE'LL BE A REGULAR, UH, WHAT WE CALL A POD, A POINT OF DISPENSING [03:25:01] OPENED UP IN WARREN COUNTY EITHER THIS WEEK OR NEXT, AND THAT THAT POT WILL PRIMARILY BE AIMED AT, WELL, IT WILL BE AIMED AT THE PHASE ONE B POPULATION, WHICH INCLUDES THE OVER 75 FOLKS, AS WELL AS A SPECIFIC GROUPS LIKE LAW ENFORCEMENT AND TEACHERS, UH, JAIL WORKERS AND SO ON. AND, UH, VALLEY HEALTH AND THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT WILL WE'LL DIVIDE UP THAT WORK. THE VALLEY HILL IS GONNA RUN THE POD. THAT REALLY GOES AFTER THE OVER 70 FIVES. IT DOESN'T MEAN THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT WON'T HELP, BUT, BUT, UH, THE POD ITSELF IS GOING TO BE GENERALLY RUN BY VALLEY HEALTH. SO, SO IT'S A, IT'S A COMBINED EFFORT AS TIME GOES BY. I THINK WE'LL SEE SOME LOCAL, UH, PRIVATE MEDICAL PRACTICE AND CERTAINLY SOME PHARMACIES ALSO KICKING IN AND STARTING TO VACCINATE. OH, THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY QUESTION. WAS CVS STILL GOING TO BE A POINT OF VACCINATION OR WAS IT GOING TO JUST CONCENTRATE BETWEEN THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT NOW AND VALLEY HILLS POD? I HOPE THEY WILL. THEY'LL JOIN IN. RIGHT, RIGHT NOW THEY'RE BUSY VACCINATING ALL THE, ALL THE NURSING HOMES AND ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES, BUT I SINCERELY HOPE THEY'RE GOING TO HOP IN WITH THE GENERAL POPULATION LATER, DR. GREEN, HOW DOES A 75 YEAR OLD AND OLDER INDIVIDUAL GET THE INFORMATION TO TURN UP AT LITTLE POD TO GET A VACCINATION? WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S A PROCESS IN EVOLUTION SINCE OUR VERY FIRST POD FOR OVER 75 WAS YESTERDAY. AND YOU'VE PROBABLY HEARD ABOUT THAT IN THE NEWS. WE, WE GOT, UM, PROBABLY CLOSE TO TWICE AS MANY PEOPLE COMING BY, AS WE EXPECTED. UH, WE DID MANAGE TO VACCINATE THEM ALL. UH, ALTHOUGH THE WAIT TIME WAS A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN WE WOULD'VE LIKED. UM, SO TODAY VALLEY HEALTH OPENED UP, UH, IN, IN COLLABORATION WITH SHADOW UNIVERSITY OPENED UP A POD AT, UH, AT THE WILKINS GYM, THE BIG GYM OFFER VARIETY ONE, AND THEY VACCINATED 280 PEOPLE BETWEEN THREE O'CLOCK AND SEVEN O'CLOCK THIS AFTERNOON. SO, UH, AND THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA OPEN UP THEIR, THEIR POD THERE FOR THE WIDER COMMUNITY TOMORROW. THEIR PODS CAN BE SIGNED UP FOR ONLINE. AND THERE'S A, IF YOU GO TO THE VALLEY HEALTH WEBSITE AND CLICK ON THE COVID UPDATE BAR AT THE TOP, IT'LL, IT'LL DIRECT YOU TO WHERE YOU CAN GO TO SIGN UP FOR THAT PARTICULAR POD THAT IS GOING TO BE ONGOING TRAINING MUCH, PROBABLY FIVE, MAYBE SIX DAYS A WEEK. AND IT WON'T BE ENTIRELY, UH, FOR FREE SIGN UP. SOME OF IT WILL BE TO DO THINGS LIKE SCHOOLS AND SO FORTH. UM, BUT THOSE THAT'S HOW RIGHT NOW SOMEONE CAN SIGN UP. NOW AS, AS THE DAYS GO BY, THERE WILL BE PODS AVAILABLE FOR SIGN UP IN WARREN COUNTY AS WELL. THAT JUST HASN'T BEEN IRONED OUT YET. A LITTLE BIT, WE WILL BE HAVING NEWSPAPER RELEASES. WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO WORK WITH THE RADIO STATIONS AND WE ALSO HAVE A WEBSITE AND A FACEBOOK PAGE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO SPREAD THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE LOCAL POD. OKAY. OKAY. UM, DR. GREEN, IS VALLEY HEALTH BASICALLY DOING THE PFIZER VACCINATION OR IS IT A MIX OF IT AND YOU KNOW, IS THERE A DIFFERENCE CAUSE I'VE HAD SOME INQUIRIES TO ME AS TO WHICH OF THE VACCINATION SOMEBODY SHOULD GET, IF THERE'S ONE THAT HAS LESS SIDE EFFECTS THAN THE OTHERS OR SO WHAT IS, WHAT IS THAT INFORMATION? UH, AS FAR AS I KNOW, SORRY, I HAD TO TURN THE SOUND UP A LITTLE FAR AS I KNOW THE SIDE EFFECT PROFILE IS VERY SIMILAR FOR BOTH VACCINES. THE A AND THEY'RE BOTH EQUALLY EFFECTIVE, ACCORDING TO THE STUDIES THAT WERE DONE, BOTH OF THEM, UH, AT THE IMMUNITY KICKS IN ABOUT 10 DAYS AFTER YOUR FIRST SHOT WITH BOTH. AND, UH, AT THAT POINT THAT'S WHEN YOU GET THE 95% OR BETTER PROTECTION. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE STUDIES, PEOPLE THAT WERE IN THE VACCINE GROUP JUST BASICALLY STOPPED GETTING SICK AFTER DAY 10. AND THE PEOPLE IN THE PLACEBO GROUP THAT GOT THE SALINE SHOT CONTINUED TO GET SICK AT THE NORMAL RATE. SO IT WAS REALLY VERY STRIKING DIFFERENCE, THE VERY EFFECTIVE VACCINES, BOTH OF THEM. UM, I MYSELF GOT THE PFIZER VACCINE. UH, ALL I GOT WAS A SORE ARM FOR A DAY. UM, AND PEOPLE THAT HAVE GOTTEN THE MAJORITY OF VACCINE HAVE DESCRIBED SIMILAR SYMPTOMS, I THINK AROUND THREE OR 4% OF PEOPLE WHO GET THE VACCINE TEND TO GET MORE OF A SIGNIFICANT SYNDROME THAT, THAT MAKES THEM MAYBE STAY SICK AT HOME FOR A DAY OR EVEN TWO IN SOME CASES, BUT IT'S, UH, IT PASSES. AND USUALLY IT'S THE YOUNGER FOLKS WITH A STRONGER IMMUNE SYSTEM THAT HAVE THE MORE SEVERE REACTIONS. THAT'S INTERESTING. THANK YOU. ANYONE [03:30:01] ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WELL, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ALL YOU DO AND ALL YOU'RE GOING TO BE CONTINUING TO DO. AND FOR THE 2.7% DECREASE, THAT'S VERY MUCH APPRECIATED. WELL, WE, YEAH, WE ASKED HER WHAT WE NEEDED. WE APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, SIR. ALL RIGHTY. THANKS. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. THANK YOU. WE CAN CLOSE IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.