[*This Meeting was joined in progress*]
[Items A & B]
[A. Call to Order]
[B. Discussion – Marlow and Silek Investments, LLC for the Amendment of Proffers (R2004- 09-01, R2005-12-01, R2006-05-01, and R2007-05-01) – Taryn Logan]
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THERE.I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING THAT ACTUALLY SAID THAT THIS IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT.
I THINK THE RV STORAGE IS KIND OF IT'S ACCESSORY TO THE ENCLOSED STORAGE.
THE ENCLOSED STORAGE IS THEIR MAIN USE.
SO THEN I THINK THAT'S ALL THEY'VE REALLY BEEN FOCUSED ON SO FAR.
UM, I DO HAVE A RENDERING SHOWING THAT I CAN GIVE YOU.
UM, AS FAR AS THE RV STORAGE, YOU MAY WANT TO ASK THEM ABOUT THE SCREENING AT YOUR, AT YOUR MEETING.
UM, OR I CAN ASK THEM, AND THEN WE WOULD, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PUT CONDITIONS ON THE PERMIT WHEN IT COMES THROUGH.
BUT, UM, I MEAN, THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE ADDRESSED BECAUSE IT IS IN OUR OVERLAY DISTRICT ORDINANCE THERE.
SO ARE THEY, UM, ASKING FOR THE RV AT THIS TIME OR JUST THE BUILDING WITH THE THOUGHT THAT IN THE FUTURE THEY MIGHT, WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO GET PERMISSION FOR THE RV? SO THIS IS THE, SO THEY HAVE THE PROFFERS ON THIS PROPERTY AND IT RESTRICTS THE USES.
SO THEY'RE ASKING TO G TO ADD THESE TWO USES TO THE PROFFERS THAT WOULD THEN ALLOW THEM TO APPLY FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO DO THOSE USES.
SO THIS IS KIND OF THE FIRST STEP AND THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK THROUGH YOU ALL FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR BOTH OF THOSE USES.
SO WE'RE ONLY VOTING TO EXPAND THE PROFFERS.
AND THAT'S NEXT TUESDAY, CORRECT? THAT'S RIGHT.
MS. LOGAN, THE ONE THING THAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT IS, IS WOULD THAT CONNECTOR ROAD BE THE PRIMARY ROAD FOR TRA UH, TRUCK DELIVERIES? AND WOULD THERE BE A TURN LANE FOR THE TRUCK TO DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN TO GET INTO THESE PROPERTIES? UM, I'M SURE.
I'M SURE TRUCKS WOULD GO BACK THERE FOR DELIVERIES.
THAT WOULD BE THE PRIMARY ACCESS I WOULD THINK.
AND THE ROAD WITH THE 50 FOOT, I MEAN, THE ROAD WOULD BE BIG ENOUGH FOR THE TWO LANES AND THEN A TURN LANE WHERE NEEDED.
UM, THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE'VE SPOKEN TO VEIT OUT ABOUT THAT THROUGH THE YEARS IT'S WENT BACK AND FORTH AS TO WHAT TYPE OF ROAD THIS WOULD BE.
WOULD IT BE LIKE A LATER ON PARKWAY WHERE, WHICH THAT WOULD BE JUST KIND OF BIG FOR THIS AREA BACK THERE? I DON'T THINK THAT'S NEEDED.
UM, BUT THE VISION WOULD BE THE TWO LANE AND THEN A MIDDLE, A TURN LANE IN THE MIDDLE WHERE YOU'RE NEEDED.
SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY MORE QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY, ANY MORE QUESTIONS FROM MS. LOGAN? I THINK WE'RE GOOD.
AND NEXT ON OUR AGENDA IS GO INTO CLOSED SESSION.
[C. Closed Session – Sections 2.2-3711(A)(7) and (A)(8) of the Virginia Freedom of Information Act for Consultation with Legal Counsel Pertaining to Actual or Probable Litigation and Consultation with Legal Counsel for the Provision of Legal Advice re: Economic Development Authority Matters]
READY? YES, SIR.WHENEVER YOU ARE, DID THE BOARD ENTER TO A CLOSE MEETING UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF SECTIONS TWO DOT TWO DASH 37, 11 EIGHT, SEVEN AND EIGHT OF THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION FOR CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL PERTAINING TO ACTUAL OR PROBABLE LITIGATION AND PROVISION OF LEGAL ADVICE REGARDING THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT, INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY OF THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL AND THE COUNTY OF WARREN, VIRGINIA, THE EDA, THE TOWN OF FRONT ROW, THE EDA VERSUS JENNIFER MACDONALD AT ALL THE TOWN OF FRONT ROW VERSUS THE EDA AT ALL AND ALL AND OTHER POTENTIAL CLAIMS AND LITIGATIONS OR RELATING TO OTHER POSSIBLE LIABILITIES OF THE EDA AND THE RECOVERY OF EDA FUNDS ON ASSETS.
IS THERE A SECOND, A SECOND, MRS. SHIRAKI ROLL CALL PLEASE.
MISS OATS, MR. MABE, MADAM CHAIR.
MR. FOX, WE WILL GO INTO CLOSED SESSION.
BACK BY THE TIME YOU PROBABLY READ US OUT OF CLOSED SESSION FOX.
I MOVE THAT THE BOARD CERTIFIES TO THE BEST OF EACH MEMBER'S KNOWLEDGE, ONLY PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS.
LAWFULLY EXEMPTED FROM OPEN MEETING REQUIREMENTS UNDER SECTIONS TWO DOT TWO DASH 37, 11 EIGHT, SEVEN AND EIGHT OF THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT AND ONLY SUCH PUBLIC BUSINESS MANNERS AS WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION BY WHICH THE CLOSED MEETING WAS CONVENED OR HEARD, DISCUSSED,
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OR CONSIDERED IN THE MEETING BY THE PUBLIC BODY.SECOND, MISS ROCKY, SHOULD WE WAIT FOR MR. FOX? MADAM CHAIR, BUT HE ALSO NEEDS TO CERTIFY.
I KNOW, UH, I WAS HOPING BY THE TIME YOU GOT TO HIS NAME, HE'D WALK THROUGH THE DOOR.
MR. MABE, MADAM CHAIR, I MRS. OATS.
AND THAT DIDN'T PAN OUT THE WAY I WAS HOPING IT WOULD.
I'M TRYING TO BE CONSCIOUS OF EVERYBODY'S TIME HERE TONIGHT.
WE HAVE CERTIFIED, UM, THAT WE'RE OUT OF CLOSED SESSION.
SO WE JUST NEED YOUR AGREEMENT OR DISAGREEMENT.
PARDON ME? YOU NEED YOUR, I, WE ARE OUT OF CLOSED SESSION NOW.
NEXT ON THE AGENDA DISCUSSION, ADDITIONAL APPROPRIATION OF WARREN COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS, DR.
BALLENGER, GOOD EVENING, UH, AT THE APRIL SEVEN 2021
[D. Discussion – Additional Appropriation of Warren County Public Schools – Dr. Chris Ballenger]
REGULAR SCHOOL BOARD MEETING WARREN COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD OR PER, UH, APPROVAL WAS GIVEN TO REQUEST FROM THE WARREN COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IN ADDITIONAL APPROPRIATION FOR THE FY 21 SCHOOL YEAR OPERATING BUDGET AND THE AMOUNT OF $1,485,687, A LARGE PORTION, 1,000,120 3007 33 OF THIS UNANTICIPATED UNBUDGETED REVENUE COMES FROM STATE, NO LOSS FUNDING THAT WAS APPROVED DURING THE RECENT GENERAL ASSEMBLY SESSION.IT OFFSETS THE LOSS OF STATE REVENUE DUE TO LOWER STUDENT ENROLLMENT BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC, NO ADDITIONAL LOCAL FUNDING IS REQUIRED IN ORDER TO RECEIVE AND TO SPEND THE ADDITIONAL STATE AND FEDERAL REVENUE.
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THE, ON THE SOURCES OF THE PROPOSED USE OF THE ADDITIONAL REVENUE IS PROVIDED IN THE ATTACHED SCHOOL BOARD AGENDA ITEM.
THAT'S HOW YOU HAVE A DOCUMENT THERE THAT THAT SHOWS YOU WHERE THE, THE NEW FUNDS OR THE INCREASE OR THE, THE NEW REVENUE CAME FROM.
AND THEN BELOW THAT IS AN EXPENDITURE ITEM ON WHERE THOSE FUNDS WOULD GO AGAIN.
THIS IS NO COST TO THE COUNTY.
THESE ARE FEDERAL AND STATE DOLLARS, SO THERE'S NO MATCH SO WHEN YOU SAY THERE'S A, UH, IS THAT THIS SHEET THAT YOU'RE SAYING IT'S A SHEET, THE TOP SECTION IS THE NEW REVENUE.
THE BOTTOM SECTION, THERE IS THE EXPENDITURES DR.
BALLENGER, THIS CTE INSTRUCTIONAL MATERIALS INVEST THE PROGRAM.
YOU WERE DISCUSSING WITH ME WHEN WE MET IN THE HALLWAY, THAT SPECIAL PROGRAM THAT WILL HELP KIDS COME UP TO SPEED.
IS THAT THE RIGHT? NO, THE CET IS THROUGH BLUE RIDGE TECHNOLOGY CENTER.
SO THAT WOULD BE, UM, UH, W WE DID RECEIVE ADDITIONAL DOLLARS IN OUR PERKINS.
AND SO THOSE FUNDS GO TOWARDS CAREER CENTER, TRYING TO SCAN THROUGH THIS QUICKLY, DOES THIS, UM, COVER THE INSTRUCTIONAL ASSISTANT AND THE NURSES PAY INCREASE ON THE SCULLERY SCALE THAT YOU WANTED TO DO.
THIS IS THE FINISH OUT THIS YEAR.
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THAT WERE TAKEN AWAY FROM US THAT WE WERE NOT EXPECTED TO RECEIVE.AND THEN THEY ACTUALLY GAVE US SOME FUNDS BACK.
SO THIS IS FUNDS THAT WE WERE PROJECTED TO LOSE BECAUSE OF THE ENROLLMENT LOSS.
AND THEN THE STATE DECIDED TO HOLD SCHOOLS, HARMLESS FOR A LOSS.
SO ALL OF THESE FUNDS I SEE NOW, SO THE GRANTS AND THE PLACES THE MONEY NORMALLY COMES FROM IS NOW BEING REINSTATED.
AND THEN YOU'RE, THEN YOU HAVE TO SPEND THOSE FUNDS BASED ON THE BOTTOM SPREADSHEET OR CERTAIN AREAS BECAUSE OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GRANTS AND SO FORTH.
SO THIS DOESN'T COST THE COUNTY ANY MONEY, THEN NO MONEY TO THE COUNTY.
WELL THAT, I KNOW YOU HAD THAT IT'S, IT'S, YOU'RE REALLY JUST INCREASING OUR APPROPRIATION SO THAT WE CAN LEGALLY SPEND THOSE FUNDS THAT WE WILL BE RECEIVING.
OH, WELL, I WAS GOING TO SAY THE, THE MONEY THAT YOU SAID, YOU HELD BACK, THAT WE APPROPRIATED LAST YEAR, PART OF YOUR BUDGET TO DO THE PHASE TWO PHASE THREE INSTRUCTIONAL, AND THE, YOU HELD BACK ON THE INSTRUCTIONAL ASSISTANT AND THE NURSES.
SO THAT WAS, THAT'S NOT A PART OF THIS.
YOU'RE STILL HOLDING THAT BACK.
SO WHAT WE DID IS WE WEREN'T EXPECTING THESE FUNDS.
SO WE DID, UM, THE BONUS FOR EVERYBODY TO HELP, BECAUSE THERE WAS NO WAY THAT WE KNEW THAT WE COULD GET ALL THAT DONE.
SO THERE WAS A BONUS DONE, AND THEN THESE FUNDS CAME IN LATER.
AND SO NOW, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE AT THE POINT, BECAUSE THEN YOU COULD ASK THE SAME QUESTION IN THAT WE HAD FIVE BUSES THAT WE ASKED FOR LAST YEAR, AND IF WE DON'T GET THE BUSES, THEN WHERE, WHERE, WHERE ARE WE GOING WITH WITH THE FUNDS? SO THOSE FUNDS, AND REALLY YOU'RE GETTING THE, THE BONUS WAS ACTUALLY WOULD BE MORE ADVANTAGEOUS FOR THOSE EMPLOYEES, BECAUSE THEY WOULD ACTUALLY RECEIVE MORE FROM THAT THAN WHAT THEY WOULD, IF YOU WERE TO ENACT AT ANY POINT IN TIME.
NOW, A SALARY ADJUSTMENT, THOSE FUNDS THAT WERE GIVEN LAST YEAR ARE STILL GOING TO BE USED FOR, TO MAKE EVERYTHING HAPPEN IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
SO A ONE TIME BONUS IS MORE ADVANTAGEOUS TO THOSE INSTRUCTIONAL ASSISTANT NURSES THEN AT THIS TIME OF THE YEAR.
SO WE'RE STILL NOT LOOKING TO GET THEM UP ON THE SALARY SCALE.
NO, I JUST HAD A VERY SIMPLE QUESTION.
I'M HOPING THE MONEY, WHAT, THE $1.4 MILLION WAS TAKEN AWAY.
YOU STILL HAD SOME OF THESE FUNDS THAT NEEDED TO BE COVERED.
DID YOU NOT? WELL, I MEAN, SOME OF THESE FUNDS THAT I GUESS JUST KIND OF EXPLAIN YOUR QUESTION A LITTLE MORE, WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE YOU ASKING? OKAY.
UM, I'M ASKING, DID THE COUNTY PAY GO, GO AHEAD AND PROVIDE IN YOUR BUDGET LAST YEAR, SOME OF THESE FUNDS OF THE BOTTOM LIST AND DID, IF THEY FUNDED IT, THEN SHOULD THE COUNTY NOT BE GETTING THAT MONEY BACK? OKAY.
I JUST, MAYBE IT'S JUST A, UH, MONIES THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
AND I WANT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT I DO UNDERSTAND.
AND, AND SO LAST YEAR, SIMILAR TO THIS YEAR, SO, AND I'M GOING TO TALK, TRY TO TALK WITH BOTH YEARS, BUT, UM, A MAJORITY OF THE ADDITIONAL REVENUE IS STATE FUNDS.
SO FOR INSTANCE, THIS YEAR IN OUR BUDGET, WE RECEIVED AN ADDITIONAL 3 MILLION WE'RE GOING TO RECEIVE FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR FOR FYI 22, WE WILL RECEIVE APPROXIMATELY AN ADDITIONAL $3 MILLION.
NOW THE COUNTY IS GOING TO HELP US BY PUTTING FORWARD.
UM, HOPEFULLY IT'S, IT'S BEING PUBLISHED, UH, 796 AND DR.
DALEY AND MAY HELP ME WITHOUT THAT NUMBER, BUT SEVEN SIX, FOUR SEVEN SIX, FOUR.
NOW, IF THE STATE, FOR SOME REASON COMES IN AND SAYS, THERE'S A SHORTFALL, AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE CUT $1 MILLION, THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO IN AND RECONFIGURE OUR BUDGET BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE THE LUXURY OF EXCEEDING OUR APPROPRIATIONS BECAUSE THERE IS STRICT LAW THAT PROHIBITS A SCHOOL BOARD, UM, FROM, FROM DOING THAT.
AND SO WE HAVE TO BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE
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WHEN IT COMES TO MAKING SURE THAT AT THE END OF THE YEAR, WE DON'T EXCEED THAT REVENUE.AND SO THAT'S WHY WHEN WE GET ADDITIONAL REVENUE, WE COME TO THE BOARD TO ASK FOR THAT APPROPRIATIONS INCREASE, BECAUSE IF, IF WE DON'T, IF WE RECEIVED THE MONEY, BUT WE DON'T RECEIVE THE INCREASE, THEN YOU CAN'T SPEND THE MONEY.
AND SO FOR INSTANCE, WITH THE FEDERAL DOLLARS, WHEN IT COMES TIME TO, TO USE THE, THOSE FEDERAL DOLLARS FROM THOSE, THOSE, UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS THE CARE FOR US AND CARES FIVE, WE WILL ASK FOR THOSE TO BE THE APPROPRIATIONS, TO BE INCREASED, TO ALLOW US TO SPEND THOSE FEDERAL DOLLARS.
IF WE DON'T ASK FOR THOSE TO BE FOR THAT APPROPRIATION TO BE INCREASED, THEN WE LEGALLY CANNOT SPEND THOSE DOLLARS.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THIS IS.
THESE, THESE WERE FUNDS THAT WE WERE NOT EXPECTING.
THESE ARE FUNDS THAT, THAT JUST CAME IN AND SAID, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO HOLD YOU HARMLESS.
AND NOW WE HAVE TO SPEND THEM AND THEIR STATE AND FEDERAL DOLLARS AND, AND SOME ARE, ARE, UM, THERE'S ACTUALLY EVEN A DONATION IN THERE.
SO, SO YOU GET, YOU GET THOSE FUNDS.
AND SO THEN WHEN THE SCHOOL BOARD APPROVES TO INCREASE THE APPROPRIATIONS, THEN WE HAVE TO COME TO THE GOVERNING BODY OR TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO ALLOW THE SCHOOL, TO, TO SPEND THAT, TO INCREASE OUR APPROPRIATIONS.
THAT PART, I UNDERSTAND JUST WANTED MY CLARIFICATION TO BE MADE FOR ME.
CAN YOU REPEAT ONE MORE TIME WHERE THEY SAY SURPLUS FUNDS WILL BE SPENT BY THE SCHOOL? SO IT'S ON THAT SHEET.
THERE'S A SHEET THAT'S PROVIDED FOR YOU, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S INSTRUCTIONAL SUPPLIES, THERE'S CONTRACTED SERVICES, EDUCATIONAL SUPPLIES, CTE INSTRUCTIONAL MATERIALS, SPECIAL ED, UH, TECHNOLOGY, A SCHOOL IMPROVEMENT GRANT, UH, POSITIVE BEHAVIORAL INTERVENTION SUPPORT REPLACEMENT OF BUSES, A SKYLINE ROOF.
IT'S RIGHT THERE ON THAT LIST.
DO WE HAVE TO DO ANYTHING TONIGHT ON THIS KNOW? THANKS.
IT WAS JUST IN CASE, JUST, JUST TO ADDRESS THEM TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE, THE CONSENSUS OF THE BOARD CAN BE TO PLACE THIS ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT TUESDAY AND THE INSTRUCTIONAL MATERIALS.
THAT'S SEPARATE FROM YOUR, UM, 380 FOR, UM, TEXTBOOKS.
THOSE WOULD BE FOR OTHER INSTRUCTIONAL SUPPLIES AND YES, THAT IS, THOSE ARE NOT TEXTBOOKS.
SO THOSE WOULD BE JUST ANYTHING THAT MAYBE A CLASSROOM TEACHER WANTED THAT THE SCHOOL OR THAT NOW THAT WE HAVE THESE FUNDS THAT WE'RE GOING TO PURCHASE THOSE, IT'S GOING TO GO TO THAT CLASSROOM TEACHER.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON, ON THIS ONE QUESTION? HOW MUCH DOES A SCHOOL BUS COST US NOW AROUND ANYWHERE BETWEEN ONE 13 TO ONE 15, I BELIEVE IS THE, THE NUMBER OKAY.
THAT YOU CAN TAKE THAT FIGURE THERE AND DIVIDE IT BY EIGHT.
AND THAT WILL GIVE YOU A OH EIGHT, THE EIGHT SCHOOL BUSES.
AND HOW MANY, HOW MANY WAS PLANNED BEFORE, BEFORE THIS PHONE HAS CAME THROUGH? SO I KNOW THEY PUT IN THE, THEY, THEY WERE LOOKING AT THE BUDGET LAST YEAR FIVE.
SO, BUT BECAUSE OF THE DIRE STRAITS THAT OUR TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT IS IN, WE WANTED TO, TO TRY TO HELP BY LESSENING THAT A LITTLE BIT, THAT WOULD HELP THE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM A LOT.
THEN HAVING THOSE THREE ADDITIONAL BUSES REPLACED.
THAT WILL HELP US GET ON THAT CYCLE THAT WE'RE WANTING TO GET ON A LITTLE QUICKER.
DALEY HAD MENTIONED IT WOULD STILL TAKE ABOUT SEVEN TO EIGHT YEARS TO GET ON A CYCLE AFTER ALL THE BUSES THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED TO BE REPLACED.
THERE'S EIGHT BUSES HERE, SIR.
AND THERE'S EIGHT BUSES IN THAT MILLION DOLLARS IN THAT FUND.
AND THAT ASSUMES THAT ASSUMES THERE'S NO MONEY IN THE REST.
I KNOW SHE'S SAYING YOU HAVE TO PULL IT UP.
SO IT ENDS UP BEING 16 BUSES, BUT IT'S GOING TO TAKE EIGHT YEARS NOW.
THERE'S NOTHING IN THE CURRENT, THERE WAS NOTHING IN THE BUDGET APPROVED LAST SPRING.
SO WHAT THEY HAD IN THE BUDGET, THEY HAD SAID THAT THEY PUT IN THERE SOMETHING ABOUT FIVE BUSES LAST YEAR.
SO THERE WERE FIVE BUSES IN THE,
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IN THERE THEN THAT'S WHAT I'M, UH, I'M AWARE OF THAT THERE WERE FIVE BUSES LAST YEAR, THAT WAS PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS LAST YEAR.SO THAT MEANS THERE SHOULD BE 13 BUSES.
WHAT HAPPENED? THEY DIDN'T BUY FIVE BUSES TO WHAT DID THEY DO? AND FOR THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, I'M TALKING WHEN THEY DID THE BUDGET CYCLE LAST YEAR FOR THIS, FOR THIS YEAR THEY HAD.
WHEN YOU GET CUT, YOU HAVE TO FIND THINGS TO CUT.
AND SO WHEN, WHEN STATE DOLLARS GO AWAY AND YOU'RE RELYING ON THOSE STATE DOLLARS, BECAUSE YOU HAVE AN INITIATIVE THAT YOU WANT TO ACCOMPLISH, IF YOU'RE REDUCED $1.4 MILLION, IT'S GOT TO FROM SOMEWHERE.
AND WE TRULY APPRECIATE THAT, BUT YEAH, NO.
MY UNDERSTANDING FROM IN THE BUDGET CYCLE LAST YEAR, WHEN GOING THROUGH FOR THE
SO THAT WOULD BE THIS FISCAL YEAR BUDGETS WERE THE FIVE BUSES WERE IN THE BUDGET APPROVED BY THE BOARD LAST SPRING.
SO YOU APPROVED A DOLLAR AMOUNT.
BUT WHATEVER THAT NUMBER WAS THAT INCLUDED FIVE BUSES.
AND THEN THE STATE CAME IN AND SAID, WELL, YOU NEED TO HOLD BACK TO SEE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH YOUR COUNT.
AND WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH SALES TAX.
BUT YOUR NUMBER REMAINED THE SAME THROUGH THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, THE BOARD NEVER CAME BACK AND REDUCED FORMALLY THE SCHOOL BOARD DID THIS THEMSELVES TO DO IT.
SO YOU NEVER ACTUALLY REDUCED THE BUDGET NUMBER, NOT ON OUR SIDE.
WHAT WE GAVE YOU DIDN'T, YOU DIDN'T REDUCE THE STATES.
MA'AM NO YOU THAT, WHATEVER THAT NUMBER WAS.
AND I SAID ABOUT EIGHT 30, 8 MILLION, WHATEVER THAT NUMBER WAS, IT STAYED THAT WAY ALL YEAR UNTIL NOW, IF YOU ADD 1.4 TO IT, 1.5, THE NUMBER IS THERE, ARE WE REALLY ADDING TO IT? OR WAS IT ALREADY INCLUDED? WELL, THIS WILL BE A NEW, DO YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? YEAH.
BUT IF THERE'S 38 MILLION AND YOU NEVER REDUCED THAT YOU ADD THIS 1.5, THEN THE NEW NUMBER FOR THE YEAR IS 39 FIVE YOU'RE OKAY.
BUT, BUT THAT SHOULDN'T BE, THAT SHOULD NOT BE THE CASE.
NO, BECAUSE IF WE APPROVE 38 MILLION, IT INCLUDED THIS 1.4 MILLION IN IT.
AND SO THEY DIDN'T SEND THE 1.4 MILLION TILL NOW.
SO WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO TAKE ANY ACTION ON THIS MINE.
NO, IT'S PART OF THE WHOLE, IT WAS PART OF THE MONEY TO BEGIN WITH THIS.
THIS IS NO, THIS IS THE NO LOSS FUNDING.
SO AFTER THE BUDGET WAS APPROVED LAST YEAR BY THE BOARD, THERE WAS A REDUCTION IN OUR COUNT.
THERE WAS A REDUCTION IN THAT NOW THAT THAT WAS SET ON A CERTAIN, ON OUR NUMBERS.
AND I DIDN'T BRING ALL MY DOCUMENTATION, BUT THAT WAS SET ON A NUMBER RIGHT NOW IN THE NEW COUNTY TEMP THAT JUST CAME OUT.
IT INCREASED OUR STATE APPROPRIATIONS FROM 30 MILLION TO 31.2 MILLION.
AND THEN ALL THESE OTHER FUNDS THAT WE WERE NOT EXPECTING, THAT'S KIND OF LIKE THE CARES FUNDING.
IF WHEN YOU GET INTO THE CARES FUNDING, THAT'S NOT IN OUR APPROVED BUDGET.
WE WILL HAVE TO REQUEST THAT BECAUSE THIS IS ADDITIONAL FUNDING THAT WE JUST RECEIVED.
THAT WAS THE NO LOSS FUNDING FROM THE STATE DUE TO THE REDUCTION.
SO THE OTHER MONEY IS STILL THERE.
SO IF YOU DIDN'T USE AN, I DON'T REMEMBER HOW MUCH YOU HELD BACK THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO FOR THE INSTRUCTIONAL ASSISTANTS AND THE NURSES, BUT THAT AMOUNT WAS HELD BACK.
AND THEN YOU USING 115,000 FOR FIVE BUSES IS $575,000.
DID YOU USE THAT MONEY? DID YOU HAVE TO USE IT OR IS THAT SETTING BACK, HELD BACK AS WELL? BECAUSE YOU SAID YOU HELD BACK AND DIDN'T BUY THE BUSES BECAUSE YOU WERE USING IT BECAUSE YOU WERE UNSURE OF REVENUES.
THERE WAS A LOT OF THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GO THROUGH AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT YOUR BUDGET, YOU'RE, THERE ARE
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VARIOUS THINGS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HOLD BACK ON AT CERTAIN TIMES.AND YOU WANT TO FINISH THAT OFF AS YOU MOVE THROUGH THE YEAR AND FIND OUT THAT, THAT THE BUDGET IS GOING TO HOLD TRUE.
UM, SO YOU KNOW, THE, THE BONUSES, WHEN IT WENT TO THE EMPLOYEES WAS AROUND 1.2.
AND AT THAT POINT IN TIME, THAT WAS GOING TO TAKE CARE OF WHAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY BUDGETED UNTIL WE RECEIVED THE NEW, ADDITIONAL REVENUE.
BUT, AND EVERYBODY GOT A BONUS.
THE TEACHERS THAT YOU WENT AHEAD AND USED YOUR, SO IN ESSENCE, THEN PART OF THE INSTRUCTIONAL ASSISTANCE INCREASE, WENT TO GIVE EVERYBODY A BONUS.
NO, BECAUSE YOU HAD TO HOLD BACK BECAUSE YOU WERE REDUCED IN STATE FUNDING AT THAT POINT IN TIME, SPLITTING HAIRS, I THINK THERE, BUT ANYWAY.
IT'S I THINK I'M UNDERSTANDING ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
I GUESS WE WILL THINK ABOUT THIS AND READDRESS IT ON TUESDAY.
ITEM E DISCUSSION PRIORITIZATION PLAN FOR HEART SERVICING OF SECONDARY COUNTY ROADS THROUGH THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.
[E. Discussion – Prioritization Plan for the Hardsurfacing of Secondary County Roads through the Virginia Department of Transportation – Mike Berry]
UM, WE'RE JUST GOING TO BE TAKING A LOOK AT, UH, ESTABLISHING PRIORITIES FOR OUR HEART SURFACING OF COUNTY SECONDARY ROADS.
UM, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD A COUPLE SMALL WORK SESSIONS ON THIS INFORMATION AND, UM, YOU SHOULD HAVE, UM, ON OR IN YOUR PACKAGE, YOU SHOULD HAVE MY DRAFT POLICY AND ALSO A, UM, A DRAFT, A SCORING SHEET.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY REMEMBERS DISCUSSING THIS PREVIOUSLY, BUT I JUST, YOU KNOW, HAVE A LITTLE BRIEF POWERPOINT UP HERE.
IF YOU NEED SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION.
UM, THE CODE OF VIRGINIA SECTION 33, 3.2 DASH THREE THREE ONE, UM, PROVIDES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COUNTY TO WORK WITH
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
UM, AND WARREN V DOT ASK WARREN COUNTY SPECIFICALLY TO CONSIDER ESTABLISHING A ROAD RATING POLICY AND A RATING PROCEDURE.
AND THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
DALEY ASKED ME TO BRING IT BACK TO YOU AGAIN, UM, TO LOOK AT THE SCORING SHEET THAT I PRESENTED AND THE POLICY THAT I'VE CREATED AS A DRAFT, UM, AND, AND WORK TOWARDS ESTABLISHING A POLICY AND A RANKING SYSTEM FOR THE COUNTY.
I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, UH, STAFF, WE REVIEWED THE POLICIES OF FREDERICK AND SHADOW COUNTIES AS RECOMMENDED BY V DOT.
AND ALSO, UM, WE LOOKED AT OUR CURRENT RURAL AND PROJECTS, UM, AND HOW THEY WERE REVIEWED PREVIOUSLY TO COME UP WITH A TYPE OF SCORING SHEET FOR THIS.
AND, AND, UM, I, IF YOU REMEMBER, I THINK IT WAS IN FEBRUARY OR LAST WORK SESSION.
MR. CARTER WAS HAPPY WITH WHAT WE HAD COME UP WITH IN REGARDS TO OUR REVIEW OF ROADS.
UM, I THINK THERE WERE A FEW QUESTIONS AND, AND IN THE, UM, AVERAGE DAILY TRAFFIC COUNT, UM, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WANTED TO INCLUDE SEASONAL ACTIVITY THAT'S TO BE DONE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.
I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS HAD FROM ME, UM, INCLUDE OCCUPIED STRUCTURES, ROAD, GEOMETRICS, YOU KNOW, THE PHYSICAL ROAD CONDITIONS, SAFETY, THE DRAINAGE ACCIDENT, DATA, SCHOOL, BUS TRAVEL, AND THE YEARS REQUESTED TO BE HARD SURFACED.
SO THOSE ITEMS, UM, I REALLY LIKE YOU GUYS TO, UH, YOU KNOW, LET ME KNOW IF ANY CHANGES OR, UM, ISSUES THAT YOU SEE WITH, WITH, UH, WHAT WE'VE COME UP WITH AND HOW WE WOULD RANK THE ROADS.
OF COURSE, THE SCORING SYSTEM COULD BE CHANGED.
UM, I BELIEVE THE WAY I'VE GOT IT SET UP, YOU COULD GET P POTENTIAL OF A HUNDRED POINTS TOTAL.
UM, AND, AND LIKE I SAID, THIS IS NOT SET IN STONE.
IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT YOU FEEL SHOULD BE ADJUSTED OR MODIFIED.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR SCORING SHEET, UM, AVERAGE DAILY TRAFFIC COUNT, YOU KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, I PUT ZERO TO A HUNDRED, WELL, THAT WOULD BE CARS
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WOULD GET FIVE POINTS, 101 TO 210 POINTS TO A ONE PLUS 20 POINTS, YOU KNOW? SO YOU GIVE EVERYBODY A POINT SYSTEM, SAME THING WITH STRUCTURES.UM, BUT LIKE ROAD GEOMETRICS, YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE TRIED TO EXPLAIN IT OUT, BUT LIKE I SAID, THIS IS JUST A, UH, YOU KNOW, EXAMPLE, UM, ACCIDENT DATA.
UM, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF, UH, TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SEASONAL ACTIVITY AND SMALL ROADS, AND YOU COULD HAVE A SMALL ROAD THAT HAS LESS TRAFFIC, BUT HIGH ACCIDENTS.
SO ON THAT YOU COULD HAVE 20 POINTS FOR YES.
SO I'VE TRIED TO TRY TO DO IT IN A, I GUESS, A SCENARIO THAT WOULD TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION AND GIVE CONSIDERATION TO THE SMALLER ROADS IN EACH DISTRICT, AS WELL AS CONSIDER, UM, ANY KIND OF SEASONAL ACTIVITY THAT COULD BE INCLUDED, UM, AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE HOMES.
AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE TIME ON THE ROAD PLAN PLAN ITSELF, WOULDN'T BE, UM, A MAJOR FACTOR.
YOU KNOW, IF A NEW ROAD IN THE OLD ROAD HAD THE SAME ROAD RANKING THAN IF THE ONE HAD BEEN ON THERE FOR 20 YEARS OR 10 YEARS OR FIVE YEARS, AND THE OTHER WAS BRAND NEW.
THAT WOULD BE YOUR TIEBREAKER.
WILL YOU BE BRINGING THOSE ROADS FORWARD? I MEAN, AND PUTTING THEM ON THE LIST SO WE CAN START LOOKING AT THEM, OR SHOULD WE GIVING YOU ROADS THE CURRENT SIX YEAR PLAN THAT'S ALREADY IN PLACE? SO THIS IS FOR NEXT YEAR, REALLY.
I MEAN, THIS IS, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO SET OUR PRIORITIES.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, WE HAVE A SHEET DEVELOPED, WE HAVE A POLICY THAT'S BEEN IMPLEMENTED AND THE BOARD SAYS, YES, THIS IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO IT.
IF YOU HAVE A NEW ROAD THAT YOU WANT RECOMMEND IT AND YOU NEED TO HAVE IT TO US BY THE STATE.
AND THEN WE WILL LOOK AT IT, WE'LL HAVE A LOOK AT IT.
UM, AND THEN WE'LL PUT THEM IN A PRIORITIZATION LIST.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT WE MIGHT ALSO HAVE A LIST FOR THE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE OTHER ROADS THAT DIDN'T MAKE THAT PRIORITY LIST, YOU KNOW, JUST IN CASE.
CAUSE WE DON'T NEVER KNOW THE EXACT FUNDING THAT'S GOING TO COME.
WE MIGHT HAVE A PROJECT THAT'S HEY, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF PROJECTS AND THERE'S $10,000 LEFT.
AND YOU KNOW, ALL WE HAVE IS A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS PROJECTS.
SO WE COULD HAVE ANOTHER LIST THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE SOMETHING ELSE WITH THAT FUNDING, WHERE THAT MESS COME TO US AT A WORK SESSION.
AT SOME POINT YOU WOULD NEED TO APPROVE THE PLAN, JUST LIKE YOU APPROVED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS, YOU WOULD NEED TO APPROVE THE PLAN.
I MEAN, AND YOU WOULD BRING FORTH AND THEN WE CAN INCLUDE THE ACTUAL ROADS A LATER TIME.
SO I THINK FOR V DOT, I MEAN, THIS IS BASICALLY TO BRING SOME CONSISTENCY, UM, YOU KNOW, TO THE ROAD PROGRAM AND MAKE SURE WE KNOW WHERE WE'RE HEADED, WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
AND, AND, AND IT BRINGS SOME FAIRNESS TO, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY THAT'S AT THE TABLE AND, YOU KNOW, IN ALL YOUR DISTRICTS.
SO ONCE THE BOARD ADOPTS CRITERIA THAT IS THEN MIKE AND MICHAEL ARE GOING TO GO OUT AND EVALUATE THE ROADS AND PUT THEM ON THE CHART, EXCUSE ME.
AND THAT'S GOING TO TAKE SIX TO NINE MONTHS FOR THEM TO DO ALL THAT WITH THE OTHER THINGS THEY HAVE.
SO THEN NEXT SPRING YOU WOULD COME BACK AND REVIEW THE RANKINGS AND MOVE ROADS WHEREVER YOU WANT TO DO WHAT YOU HAVE WITH IT.
WHAT MR. CARTER WAS TELLING YOU FROM VIDOT WAS TELLING YOU BEFORE THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE THE NEW PRIORITIZATION BY NEXT SPRING.
SO YOU NEED TO GIVE THEM THE CRITERIA SHEET SO THEY CAN GET STARTED TO GIVE YOU THIS PRELIMINARY INFORMATION.
AND THEN YOU WON'T HEAR FROM THIS AGAIN FOR AT LEAST SIX MONTHS, IT'S GOING TO TAKE AWHILE, FINAL DETERMINATION, STILL REST WITH EACH OF US, RIGHT.
WE'RE ONLY DISCUSSING IMPLEMENTATION OF A RATING SYSTEM AND POLICY, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD NEED TO TAKE ACTION ON.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE SCORING SYSTEM, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT YOU FEEL SHOULD BE CHANGED, UM, BUT ULTIMATELY YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN THE FINAL DECISION.
WELL, THIS SOUNDS LIKE A FAIR SYSTEM RATHER THAN THE GOOD OLD BUDDY SYSTEM.
YOU AGREE WITH THAT? UM, WHY I HAVE A QUESTION, MR. BARRY.
SO THE WAY THAT THESE NUMBERS AND, YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS MY THING, THE WAY THAT THESE ARE WEIGHTED, RIGHT? SO, AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE WEIGHTED CORRECTLY SO THAT WHEN WE DO ADD UP THE POINTS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE A DISCREPANCY, UM, SO FOR INSTANCE, THE ACCIDENT DATA IS ALL OR NOTHING.
SO WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT ENTAIL ACCIDENT DATA? IS THAT MEAN ONE ACCIDENT THAT DOES THAT MEAN IT HAS A THRESHOLD
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BEFORE WE GIVE IT A 20 W HOW, BECAUSE THAT'S A, A HUGE IMPACT.IT'S THE DETAILS ON HOW THE METRICS, I THINK WE CAN GET MORE SPECIFIC ON YOUR SCORING SYSTEM, IF YOU, YOU WANT TO, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU NEED TO APPROVE THE METRICS TODAY OR EVEN NEXT WEEK, BUT IT WOULD BE GOOD.
I THINK TO HAVE A PLAN IMPLEMENT IT.
THIS IS WHAT WE NEED FROM RESIDENTS.
IF THEY WANT TO RECOMMEND SOMETHING, THIS IS GOING TO BE OUR APPLICATION METHODOLOGY.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU FEEL, I MEAN, I MEAN, IT, IT WOULDN'T TAKE LONG FOR ME TO, IF YOU FELT OKAY, MIKE, THESE ARE NOT, UM, GONNA MAKE ME HAPPY.
I MEAN, IF WE CAN, WE CAN MAKE THE POINT SYSTEM.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, I JUST DIDN'T HAVE A POINT SYSTEM.
SO I STARTED, OKAY, LET'S START WITH A HUNDRED.
SO IF YOU WANT TO MAKE IT A THOUSAND POINT SYSTEM WHERE IT'S UNLIMITED POINT SYSTEM, WE CAN DO SUCH.
BUT I THINK THE, FOR ME, THE GOAL WAS TO MAKE IT FAIR, TO ALL ROADS, UM, YOU KNOW, LARGE AND SMALL.
YOU DON'T WANT TO LAY EVERYTHING HEAVY ON JUST OCCUPIED HOMES.
AND I WANT TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION EVERYTHING THAT YOU GUYS HAVE BROUGHT FORTH IN EVERYTHING THAT V THAT LOOKS AT AND THE PROCESS, I THINK THE ACCIDENT DATA SHOULD BE A PRIORITY, BUT WE NEED TO EVERY, MAYBE EVERY ROAD IN WARREN COUNTIES HAD AT LEAST ONE ACCIDENT ON IT.
SO I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME LEVEL, SOME THRESHOLD, RIGHT.
AS TO, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE, HAVE THEY BEEN DURING A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME OR, OR A CONTINUOUS PROBLEM? WELL, AND, AND, AND I MEAN, WE CAN, YOU, I CAN JUST SIMPLY REWRITE THAT ONE, YOU KNOW, UP TO 20 POINTS.
AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO GET DOWN TO ONE, I CAN DO ONE TO FIVE, FIVE TO 10, 10 TO 20.
ON TRAFFIC COUNT AND OCCUPIED STRUCTURES, YOU KIND OF STOOD OUT.
I MEAN, I'M JUST, I WAS TRYING TO BALANCE THE WEIGHTS THROUGHOUT AND START WITH, START WITH, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE UP TOP YOU'RE GOING TO GET MORE POINTS ALREADY.
SO I WAS TRYING TO BALANCE THEM OUT A LITTLE BIT.
CAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE HOMES.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE ACCIDENTS.
AND THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THAT.
WILL THERE BE ANY ROADS THAT ARE NOT IN THE SYSTEM NOW, NOW THAT YOU'RE SURVEYING TO, TO SEE IF YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER DOING SOME ROAD WORK ON A ROAD THAT YOU'RE NOT EVEN CONSIDERING RIGHT NOW? WELL, I MEAN, IF IT'S A SECONDARY ROAD, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS WOULD BE YEAH.
YOU GUYS WOULD BE BRINGING FORTH OR YOUR CONSTITUENTS WOULD BRING TO YOU.
AND THEN WE WOULD START THE EVALUATION PROCESS.
YOU'RE YOU'RE TALKING, UM, RURAL EDITION.
IF THEY'RE NOT A STATE ROAD, UM, ENROLLED EDITION, I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT A ROAD THAT THE COUNTY DOESN'T SUPPORT, THE STATE DOESN'T SUPPORT.
UH, ANY OTHER COUNTY DOESN'T SUPPORT, IT'S JUST A ROAD AND YOU GOT PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING.
YEAH, THE ANSWER'S NO, THE ANSWER'S NO, NO.
CAUSE THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE, UM, IF IT'S A PRIVATE ROAD, THEN IT HAS TO BE BROUGHT UP TO STATE MINIMUM STANDARD FOR THE STATE TO TAKE IT.
SO THAT WOULD BE RURAL EDITION.
UM, THE ONLY THE ONE, THE CATEGORY, THE, I CAN'T TALK CATEGORY THEN I DON'T SEE.
UM, AND MAYBE I'M IT, BUT IS, UM, ROADS THAT ARE HIGH MAINTENANCE COST.
WELL, THE ROAD GM METRICS, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? WELL, I MEAN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT, YOU'RE LOOKING AT YOUR SURFACE WITH SHOULDER WIDTH, HORIZONTAL CURVATURE, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT DRAINAGE, UM, IN ADDITION, SO I MEAN, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT YOUR DRAINAGE AND YOU ROAD GEOMETRICS, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE HIGH MAINTENANCE COST.
I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH WATER OR BOX CULVERTS OR, UM, A LOT OF TURNS TO CUT OUT.
SO, I MEAN, THAT'S GONNA, THAT'S GOING TO COME OUT W WITH THE ROAD GEOMETRICS AND YOUR DRAINAGE REVIEWS, BUT I MEAN, WE CAN ADD ANOTHER CATEGORY IF YOU FILL OR SOMETHING.
IF YOU, IF THOSE TWO CATEGORIES WILL, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE ARE SOME ROADS THAT, UM, VIDOT IS CONTINUALLY, DEPENDING THEY JUST DON'T HOLD UP AND THEY'RE CONSTANTLY HAVING TO COME BACK AND DO SOME KIND OF REMEDIATION TO KEEP THEM PASSABLE.
SO WHETHER IT'S HAVE NOT NECESSARILY WASHED OUT, BUT WHAT IT, YOU KNOW, FOR WHATEVER REASON, THEY JUST CONSTANTLY ARE HAVING TO REPAIR THEM.
BUT IF THOSE TO COVER THAT, THEN, THEN THAT'S, I'M GOOD WITH THAT.
AND ANOTHER QUESTION, OR, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE, BUT THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT DON'T WANT THEIR DIRT ROAD IMPROVED BECAUSE
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THEY DON'T WANT MORE TRAFFIC ON IT.SO ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GET THAT INPUT FROM THE PEOPLE AND WE DON'T END UP PUTTING ROADS ON THAT? THE PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY DO LIVE ON IT SAY WE WANT LEFT ALONE.
WELL, I THINK YOU COULD HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING ON ACCEPTANCE OF YOUR, OF YOUR PLAN FOR, I MEAN, SAY IT'S, YOU KNOW, NEXT YEAR, YOU KNOW, FOR 21 OR 21, 22 OR WHATEVER IT WOULD BE.
AND THAT SIX YEAR PERIOD, YOU GET HOLD OF PUBLIC HEARING AND ALLOW INPUT.
BUT I MEAN, A NOTIFICATION, CAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW, THEY DON'T REALIZE THERE IS PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL AFTER IT'S GONE.
AND I JUST, LIKE I SAID, I, I DON'T PERSONALLY KNOW OF ANY THAT RIGHT NOW THAT WOULD BE AGAINST THEM HAVING THEIR ROADS, TAR AND CHIP.
BUT I KNOW THERE ARE AREAS THAT PEOPLE DON'T WANT THE EXTRA TRAFFIC AND THEY'RE AFRAID WHEN THEY GET THAT, THAT IT'S GONNA GET, UM, MORE, MORE DEVELOPMENT.
SO THEY FEEL LIKE IF THE ROAD STAYS IN POOR CONDITION OR SAFE, WELL, OH, AND ONE OF THE THINGS FOR NEW PROJECT REQUESTS, IF YOU GO TO THE LAST PAGE, UM, WE'VE ASKED FOR A WRITTEN REQUEST TO BE PROVIDED TO WARREN COUNTY, WHICH DESCRIBES THE LOCATION OF THE CANDIDATE PROJECT, THE ORIGIN AND TERMINUS OF THE SEGMENT, AND A PETITION SIGNED BY AT LEAST 51% OF ALL PROPERTY OWNERS FRONTING ON THE PROPOSED SEGMENT.
SO JUST TO, JUST TO, UH, APPLY HERE, WE'RE ASKING THEM TO, TO 51% OF THOSE FOLKS OUT THERE.
SO THEN YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD HAVE A HEARING TO OFFER THOSE PEOPLE UNTIL TO PROVIDE THEIR INPUT GOOD OR BAD.
SO IT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO WHEN, UM, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, WHEN A CUP IS COMING UP.
AND I WOULD SEE THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT INVOLVED IN THIS, UM, WITH, WITH THE, THE INFORMATION AND THE RATING SYSTEM AND THE PROCESS.
UM, I THINK WE WOULD WANT THEIR INVOLVEMENT WITH THIS AND, AND THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE.
I MEAN, WE COULD, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU COULD DESIGNATE AN END POINT JUST LIKE YOU DO OTHER COMMITTEES.
UM, I KNOW THEY USED TO YEARS AGO, UM, THERE WAS, UM, CITIZEN REPRESENTATION TO V DOT THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS ONE RTD.
YOU REMEMBER, UM, WHEN V USED TO HAVE A CITIZEN ADVISORY BOARD FOR ROAD MAINTENANCE, SOMETHING BAD.
I DON'T REMEMBER WHEN IT WAS NOW.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS ONE PERSON FROM EACH DISTRICT OR HOW THAT WORKED, BUT I KNOW THERE USED TO BE THAT I THINK IN SOME AREAS THEY PROBABLY STILL HAVE THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK ON THIS.
SO, SO LOOKING AT YOUR ACCIDENTS, YOU MIGHT SUGGEST THAT IT BE KIT THE CATEGORY, BE ZERO TO 20, AND THEN LET THEM JUST LIST THE NUMBER OF ACCIDENTS ON EACH ROAD.
AND THEN AFTER THEY GET DONE, THEY COULD GO HIGHEST AS 20 AND ET CETERA, DOWN TO ZERO.
I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE THE BEST JUST TO PUT THE RAW SCORE FOR THE TIME.
I THINK THE ACCIDENTS NEED TO BE WELL-DEFINED BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AND WITH A CERTAIN PERIOD OR TIMEFRAME, IT NOT HISTORICALLY, BUT MAYBE WITHIN A YEAR OR TWO YEARS OR WHATEVER THE DEF, BUT IT NEEDS MORE DEFINITION SO THAT IT DOESN'T END UP ALL AS AN AUTOMATIC 20.
DO WE KNOW HOW THEY DO? AND SINCE WE HAVE THE SHERIFF HERE AND, UH, WE TEND AT SEAL, HOW DO YOU DO THAT? IF, IF THERE'S TO KNOW THERE THERE'S ACCURATE INFORMATION ON ACCIDENT, IF IT'S REPORTED AND WITH PERSONAL INJURY, OR HOW DOES THAT WORK? EVERY AIRPORT 300 MIGHT BE DOCUMENTED EVERY YEAR OR 300 THAT WE FILL OUT AN ACCIDENT.
WE'LL HAVE PERSONAL INJURY, WE'LL HAVE ALL THE STATUS.
UH, WE CAN ACTUALLY USE OUR CRIME ANALYSTS TO HELP GET THIS INFORMATION FOR YOU.
IF YOU'D LIKE, YOU CAN ALSO REACH OUT TO THE STATE.
UM, SO IF THE TOWN'S WORKING, BECAUSE SOMETIMES THE TALENT WORK IN ACCIDENT WILL WORK MAXIMUM IT.
AND THEN SOMETIMES WE'LL CALL THE STATE POLICE IF IT'S A SEVERE ACCIDENT.
UM, AND WE CAN, WE CAN HELP GATHER THAT DATA FOR YOU.
IF THERE'S SOMETHING MINOR WITH NO PERSONAL INJURY, NOW THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT, IF IT'S UNDER $1,500 IN THE STATE AND IT IS A EXCHANGE INFORMATION,
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SO THAT WOULD BECOME A NON-REPORTABLE ACCIDENT.AND WOULDN'T COUNT THAT THAT'S BEEN, BUT WE SHOULD HAVE IT AS A CALL, BUT NOT NECESSARILY ALL THE TIME.
I WOULD THINK THAT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT WOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE INPUT ON THE MOST DANGEROUS ROADS IN WARREN COUNTY.
AND MAYBE GIVE US A LIST OF THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, I'VE DONE BEFORE, UH, LIEUTENANT, SALE'S DONE AN AMAZING JOB, PUTTING THE SPEED TRAILER OUT AND DOING SOME OTHER THINGS WITH THE ROADS TOO, ESPECIALLY IN OUR MORE DANGEROUS AREAS.
UM, WE'RE ACTUALLY WORKING ON THE FIVE 20 TO THREE 40 CORRIDOR RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND WE'RE HAVING A LOT OF ISSUES BECAUSE THE TRUCKS ARE JUST TEARING UP THE ROADS.
SO, AND THEY'RE ROLLING AT HIGH SPEEDS, BUT IT'S ALSO UNSAFE FOR THE TRUCK.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO REALLY CONFIRM THAT.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF DATA WE CAN GET FOR YOU.
UM, AND WE TEND TO STILL HAVE BEEN WORKING ON IT SINCE DAY ONE.
WHEN WE GOT WASHED IN
AND WE CAN UTILIZE THE SOFTWARE TO GET AN INDICATION OF THE SPEEDS ON THAT ROAD.
SO WHAT WE DO IS WE, WE DO LIKE A FIVE DAY, SEVEN DAY, UH, ANALYSIS OF THE SPEEDS ON THE GIVEN ROADS.
AND WE SHARE THAT INFORMATION, NOT ONLY WITH IN-HOUSE WITH THE STAFF ON THE SHARE FARM, WE ALSO SHARE IN FIVE PRINT OUT FORM AND MAIL TO NEIGHBORHOOD AND NEIGHBORS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO GIVE THEM MORE AWARENESS, WHETHER THERE'S A SPEED ISSUE, NOT IN THE NEGATIVE.
SO THAT'S HOW IT WORKS WITH THE STREET TRAILER.
DO YOU HAVE A LIST WE CAN GET ON TO, I'VE GOT A FEW ROADS I'D LIKE TO ADD TO THAT RECOMMEND A COUPLE.
NOW, ARE YOU GOING TO BE ASKING OUR BOARD TO APPROVE THE SCORING SHEET THAT YOU'RE RECORD? ARE YOU GOING TO RECOMMEND THAT TO THE BOARD FOR APPROVAL? I THINK THAT'S MY GOAL TONIGHT IS TO TRY TO GET TO A PLACE WHERE I CAN GET YOU THE OKAY, TO ACCEPT THE POLICY, TAKE SIX MONTHS FOR THEM TO DO THIS.
SO THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO GET STARTED.
HOWEVER YOU WANT TO PUT THE CRITERIA.
AND SO ARE YOU GOING TO IT ON THE AGENDA FOR APPROVAL OR YOU'RE GOING TO GO FORWARD.
I'M GOING TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA UNLESS THE BOARD SAYS NO.
SIX PUBLIC HEARINGS WOULD MEAN TO UNFINISHED BUSINESS ITEMS. SO NEXT WEEK'S SCHEDULE IS PRETTY FULL.
I'M A LITTLE BUSY, A LITTLE BUSY.
SO IF WE DON'T GET IT ON FOR NEXT WEEK, THEN THE FIRST MEETING IN MAY, WE SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT ONE.
I'LL BE ABLE TO PREPARE THE PACKET.
I JUST WON'T BE HERE AT THE MEETING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT? IF NOT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO MAINTENANCE AND MONITORING OF ILLEGAL DUMPING AT THE COUNTY CONVENIENCE SITES AND TRANSFER STATION FEES, MR. BARRY AGAIN.
[F. Discussion – Maintenance of and Monitoring Illegal Dumping at County Convenience Sites and Transfer Station Fees – Mike Berry]
ALL RIGHT.UM, UM, I DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF SLIDES ON THE FIRST PART.
WE'RE GOING TO START WITH THE LEGAL DUMPING.
UM, THIS IS, UH, A PICTURE OUT AT FIVE 22 COOLEY SITE.
AND THIS IS HOW WE GOT STARTED IN THIS, UH, THE MESS WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT, UM, WAS MAINLY WITH BULK FURNITURE.
UM, AND I I'D LIKE TO START BY THANKING, UM, LIEUTENANT ROBBY SEAL, OUR RESOURCE OFFICER COMMUNITY RESOURCE OFFICER IN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
UM, THEY'VE BEEN WORKING WITH ME SINCE I'M NEW SHERIFF CAME ON AND THEY'VE BEEN REALLY GOOD ABOUT COMMUNICATING WITH US.
AND, UM, HE'S BEEN ASSISTED SINCE THIS MATTER.
UM, I'M GOING TO LET HIM JUMP IN HERE.
I'VE GOT, UH, A LITTLE BRIEF BRAC BACKGROUND.
I KNOW THAT IT LOOKS LIKE A BIG MESS AND IT'S A VISUAL MESS.
UM, I ACTUALLY, WE PLAN TO GET TO A MEETING STAGE.
IT'S BEEN A MESS, SOLID WASTE MANAGERS HERE TONIGHT TO SEE IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM.
UM, JAMIE LINTZ, I THANK HIM FOR BEING HERE AS WELL, BUT, UM, WE HOPE TO GET TO A MEETING PLACE AND WE JUST KINDA GOT, UM, I GUESS THE FIRE GOT IGNITED A LITTLE QUICKER THAN WE ANTICIPATED, BUT, UM, WE'RE GLAD TO BE HERE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT THIS TONIGHT.
SO I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO LIEUTENANT SEAL AND, UM, YOU KNOW, HE'S GOT SOME BACKGROUND BETWEEN THE SHERIFF'S
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DEPARTMENT AND THANK YOU, MIKE, GLAD TO BE HERE.AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, PEOPLE IN ATTENDANCE, THE LIEUTENANT ROBBY SEAL HERE, JUST TO GIVE YOU A BACKDROP ON THE HISTORY OF HOW THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE GOT INVOLVED, UH, AS PART OF SHERIFF BUTLER'S ADMINISTRATION, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IN, AND I'M GOING BACK EVEN BEFORE THE ADMINISTRATION OF SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT I, UH, WAS APPRISED OF BY ATTENDANCE WORK IN THE TRANSFER SITES COMP UH, ACTUALLY THE, UH, COMPACT OR SITES, WHAT I REFER TO.
UM, SO I WAS AWARE OF SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT THE ATTENDANTS HAD TO DEAL WITH AND WHATNOT.
AND, UH, SO ONCE I BECAME A PART OF THE SHARED BROTHERS ADMINISTRATION, I BROUGHT THE IDEA TO HIM ABOUT, HEY, WHAT CAN WE DO TO HELP SOLID WASTE WITH SOME OF THE DUMPING ISSUES OUT THERE AND HELP THE ATTENDANCE AND SO FORTH? SO, UH, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I DID WAS MEET WITH, UH, MIKE AS LAST YEAR, BACK IN FEBRUARY, OFFERING OUR ASSISTANCE TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO HELP WITH THE TRASH ISSUES, EXCUSE ME.
AND SO IT'S, UH, AT FIRST WE, UH, WITH MIKE'S ASSISTANT, WE, UH, AND OF COURSE WORKING WITH JAMIE LANCE AS WELL.
UM, WE, UH, WE WERE LOOKING AT, FOR THE MOST PART, A LOT OF THE COMPLAINTS WERE, UH, CITIZENS DUMPING THEIR TRASH, THAT DIDN'T NOT HAVE THE PROPER, UH, FIXED DECALS, WHETHER IT'S COUNTY OR TOWN DECALS, WHICH BY COUNTY CODE IS STILL REQUIRED TO DUMP YOUR TRASH HERE IN THE COUNTY.
UM, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DID WHEN THE IDEAS I HAD WAS IF WE COULD GET A SIGN OR SIGNS MADE, UH, AS A DETERRENT, IF YOU WILL HAVING, UH, MYSELF UP THERE OR THE SHERIFF'S DEPUTY UP THERE, UH, WITH A NICE SIGN THAT SAID DECAL ENFORCEMENT.
AND OBVIOUSLY WHEN YOU SEE A BIG SIGN LIKE THAT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF YOU TURNS FOR PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE THE EFFECTS STICKERS.
SO IT BECAME, UH, IT WORKED, UH, AND, UH, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I STARTED NOTICING, AND OBVIOUSLY IT'S, TO THIS POINT, IT'S BECAME A, IT'S BECOME A BIG PROBLEM, WAS NOT AS MUCH AS THE DECAL ISSUES AS IT WAS THE, THE, UH, DUMPING AFTER HOURS, UH, AT THE SITES.
AND, UH, I THINK IT'S COME TO THIS POINT WHILE WE'RE HAVING THIS MEETING DAY BECAUSE OF THE, UH, INFLUX OF COMPLAINTS BY THE CITIZENS, IF NOT FROM OUR OWN OBSERVATION, UH, SPECIFICALLY FIVE 22 AND THREE 40, UH, ARE THE, UH, PRETTY MUCH IN MY EYES, THE, THE, UH, THE TWO SITES THAT HAVE THE, UH, REALLY BIGGEST PROBLEMS, SHANNON, THE FARMS ALSO, BUT THOSE TWO SEEM TO HAVE THE BIGGEST PROBLEM AND HOLIDAYS ARE REALLY, REALLY BAD.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DID, UH, AS PART OF WHAT I WAS DOING WAS, UH, I SURVEYED, UM, ON ISSUES WHEN PEOPLE WERE DUMPING THEIR ILLEGAL TRASH, WHETHER IT BE JAMIE, UH, OR ATTENDANT, THEY WOULD, UH, SEND ME PICTURES, TAKING PICTURES OF THE TRASH, AND I WOULD PERSONALLY ID THE TRASH.
AND I WOULD GO TO THE HOUSES, UH, THAT THE TRASH, UH, CAME FROM, UH, SPOKE TO THE OWNER AND GAVE THEM A CHOICE, A TICKET, OR UP TO $2,500, FINE.
IF THEY DIDN'T GO BACK AND DEPOSIT THEIR TRASH APPROPRIATELY.
SO YOU CAN GUESS WHAT THEY, THEY CHOSE.
UM, SO THAT, THAT WAS SORT OF THE PRACTICE OF BEING NICE WITHOUT TICKETING.
UM, BUT IT GOT TO THE POINT WHERE, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO STEAM THE, UH, WHETHER IT WAS FROM SOLID WASTE, THE ATTENDANTS, UM, OR OURSELVES, MYSELF, IT CAME TO A POINT OF, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WRITE TICKETS, YOU KNOW, TO GET THE MESSAGE STRAIGHT, BUT HURTS WORSE MONEY OUT OF PEOPLE'S POCKETS.
OBVIOUSLY ONLY PROBLEM WAS WE, YOU KNOW, THAT I SAW WAS I HAD TO LOOK AT WHAT AT THE SITES AND SEE IF IT WAS, UH, EVERYTHING WAS IN PLACE TO EFFECTIVELY ENFORCE WHETHER IT BE TRESPASSING OR DUMPING.
AND SO I HAD SENT AN EMAIL CONTACTED THE ASSISTANT COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY, NICK MOTHERS' AT THE COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND SHOWED HIM SOME PHOTOS OF SIGNAGE.
UM, ALSO THE INFORMATION, AS FAR AS THE PLACARDED SIGNS THAT WERE ESTABLISHED AT THE COMPACT OR SITES SHOWING THE HOURS, WHAT COULD BE DUMPED, WHAT COULD NOT BE DUMPED, THAT SORT OF THING.
AND, UH, NICK REPLIED THAT, UH, WE WOULD NEED, UM, BETTER SIGNAGE APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
AND THIS IS FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE TO EFFECTIVELY WRITE TICKETS FOR ILLEGAL DUMPING OR EVEN TRESPASSING.
UM, HE PRETTY MUCH WENT ON TO SAY THAT A BETTER SIGN IS AGAIN, WAS NEEDED, UH, TO THE EFFECT OF, UH, NO TRESPASSING AFTER, AFTER CLOSING HOURS.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I SAW THAT I BROUGHT UP AND HE AGREED WAS THAT THERE'S NO PROHIBITION IN THE COUNTY CODE.
UM, AND MIKE, YOU MIGHT WANT TO HELP ME OUT THIS ON THIS IS SPECIFICALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SITES THERE IN PLAY, THERE'S, PLACARDED THE HOURS OF OPERATION, BUT THERE IS NO PROHIBITION, THE COUNTY CODE TO CITE ANYONE FOR DUMPING OUTSIDE OF THOSE HOURS.
SO HE SUGGESTED THAT WOULD BE, HAVE TO BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE CHANGED BY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY OR
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AMENDED TO ADD TO THAT.NOW WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY CODIFY IT.
YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE CODE AS A VIOLATION.
NOT ONLY ARE WE HAVING ISSUES WITH THE ILLEGAL LOGGING IN THESE AREAS, I'M GETTING THIS FROM ED.
NOT ONLY ARE WE HAVING ISSUES WITH THE ILLEGAL DUMPING, BUT WE'RE HAVING A LEAK, WE'RE HAVING OTHER ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES THAT OCCUR IN THESE AREAS.
AND IT'S KIND OF PUTTING OUR OFFICERS IN A TRICK BAG OR DEPUTIES WHO ARE RESPONDING.
UH, FOR INSTANCE, WE JUST RESPONDED TO ONE IN THE AREA, NOT TOO LONG AGO, THE INDIVIDUALS WERE HIGHLY INTOXICATED, DEPRECATING IN THE PARKING LOT AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
UM, WE REALLY CAN'T GET THEM OUT OF THE AREA BECAUSE THEY'RE ALLOWED TO BE PARKED THERE AFTER DARK.
SO WE KINDA NEED TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE ISSUES.
I THINK THIS CODE COULD HELP US IN MANY DIFFERENT FACETS.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT NICK MATHISON MENTIONED ALSO WITH RESPECT TO ENFORCEMENT, GENERALLY ON A TRESPASSING CHARGE, YOU WOULD WANT THE OWNER, OR I ACTUALLY BROUGHT IT, THE AGENT, THE OWNER, THE OWNER TO, UH, BE SUBPOENAED TO COURT TO TESTIFY.
AND FORTUNATELY I WAS AWARE OF STATE CODE, WHICH, UH, HAS A, UH, UH, A LAW, A STIPULATION WHERE SOMEONE CAN ACT AS AN AGENT OF ANY HOMEOWNER OR ANY OWNER OF PROPERTY TO HELP, UH, WITH THE TRESPASSING CHARGE, IF YOU WILL.
SO I BROUGHT THAT UP TO NICK THAT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE CAN ACT AS THE AGENT IN THIS CASE.
SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO SUBPOENA ATTENDANCE.
UH, MIKE, JAMIE, ANYBODY, IF, IF SOMEBODY'S TRESPASSING, IF WE, UH, WE CATCH THEM TRESPASSING AND EVERYTHING, OR THEY'RE REPORTED A TRESPASSING, WE SIDE THEM, WE GO TO COURT, UH, AS THE AGENT, UH, OF THE COUNTY AND IN, UH, COMBATING THE ISSUE WITH TRESPASSING.
THEY'RE TRESPASSING IS PRETTY MUCH A, I GUESS, FOR THE MOST PART, WHEN IT COMES TO SIGNAGE, UH, BASED ON THE TRESPASS CODE, IF YOU HAVE PROPER SIGNAGE, THAT'S NOTICED, UM, THE ISSUE WITH THE DUMPING AFTER HOURS, THE ILLEGAL DUMPING AFTER HOURS, IF YOU WILL.
THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT'S SUBJECT TO AMENDMENT BY COUNTY CODE.
SO WE CAN ENFORCE THE TRESPASS PERIOD.
AND I, YOU KNOW, SHERIFF'S PARK CAN ACT AS THE AGENT WITH THE PROPER SIGN IT'S APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, ACCORDING TO NICK MATHIS.
UH, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO PUT IN THE WORKS.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I DO WANT TO COMMENT ON WHEN IT COMES FROM THE LAW LAW ENFORCEMENT'S PERSPECTIVE SIZE MIKE, JAMIE AND I HAVE HAD THIS CONVERSATION, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE THING TO ENFORCE, UH, THE LAW OR RULES, ORDINANCES AND EVERYTHING.
BUT PART OF LAW ENFORCEMENT IS ALSO TO PROVIDE THE MEANS TO CREATE PREVENTION OF PEOPLE, BREAKING THE LAW, BREAKING THE RULES AND EVERYTHING.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE OBSERVED, LIKE I SAID, GOING BACK, ONE OF THE THINGS, UH, THAT I DID WAS I DID SURVEILLANCE.
AND ONE OF THE IDEAS I HAD, UH, BACK WHEN THE PRACTICE WAS YOU HAVE GATES TO THE HOP.
I REFER TO IT AS THE HOPPERS TO THE SITES.
AND THERE WAS ONE TIME BASED ON WHAT JAMIE AND MIKE HAD TOLD ME IN SOME OF THE ATTENDANTS THAT THE GATES WERE CLOSED, BECAUSE PEOPLE WOULD PUT THEIR TRASH, UH, OUTSIDE INTO THE ATTENDANCE.
AND WE KNOW IF WE VISITED THE SITES, WE KNOW THE AGES OF THESE ATTENDANCE.
THESE ARE RETIREES OUT THERE 70, 80 YEAR OLDS THAT ARE TASKED TO PICK UP ALL THIS TRASH AND THROW IT IN THE HOPPER.
UM, AND SO THAT'S THE MEANS OF WHY THE GATES ARE LEFT OPEN.
NOW, HAVING BEEN OUT THERE WORKING DECAL ENFORCEMENT, ONE OF THE BIGGEST COMPLAINTS OR ADDRESSES I GOT FROM PEOPLE THAT WANTED TO, UH, TO DUMP THEIR TRASH, IF I WAS OUT THERE ON OUR WEDNESDAY, WAS WHEN THEY SAW THE GATES OPEN.
THAT WAS TO THEM, MEANING THAT IT WAS OKAY.
WHETHER THE MAIN GATE ON A CLOSED DAY WAS CLOSED.
THE GATE TO THE HOPPER WAS ASSIGNED TO THEM THAT IT WAS PERMISSIBLE FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO WALK IN AND DUMP THEIR TRASH.
NOW, I KNOW SHANNON DOOR HAS THAT PRACTICE THEY'RE CLOSED ON WEDNESDAYS.
ALSO, THERE WERE THURSDAYS, THURSDAYS, BUT EVEN WITH THEIR GATE CLOSED, THEY ALLOW CITIZENS TO WALK IN AND DUMP THEIR TRASH.
SO IT'S KIND OF A, LIKE A, OKAY, WHAT DO WE DO? DO WE LEAVE THE GATE OPEN TO THE HOPPER OR DO WE CLOSE IT? AND MY SURVEILLANCE AGAIN, ONE OF THE THINGS I NOTICED FOR ABOUT AN HOUR AND SURVEILLING A COUPLE OF TIMES WITH PEOPLE WOULD COME UP AND THIS IS ON A WEDNESDAY WHEN THEY WERE CLOSED AND PEOPLE WOULD COME UP.
AND I TRIED TO JUST CLOSE THE GATE.
WELL, I DIDN'T TRY TO CLOSE THE GATE.
I JUST TRIED TO SEE WHAT THE DIFFERENCE WAS.
SO I CLOSED THE GATE TO THE HOPPER AND, UH, THIS WAS ACTUALLY
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AFTER I WAS WAITING ON A WEDNESDAY BECAUSE WEDNESDAY WOULD HAVE BEEN CLOSED.UM, BUT PEOPLE WOULD, UH, COME UP, GET OUT AND SEE THE GATES CLOSED AND THEN TURN AROUND.
AND, UH, PROBABLY OUT OF 10 DRIVE, 10 DRIVERS THAT SHOWED UP, PROBABLY SIX OF THEM DID THAT.
THE OTHER TWO, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER ONES WANTED TO DUMP THEIR TRASH BEFORE I TOLD THEM THEY COULD.
UM, SO, BUT I THINK WHAT THE REAL ISSUE IS PROBABLY 40% OF PEOPLE WERE ACTUALLY THE ONES DUMPING THE TRASH ILLEGALLY, BUT IT'S A DOMINO EFFECT.
WHEN OTHER PEOPLE SEE THE TRASH POWDER UP THERE, THEN THEY SAY IT MUST BE OKAY.
SO THAT'S WHY WE SEE THE PROBLEM WE SEE.
SO, SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WE NEED TO LOOK AT, BUT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE GIVING PEOPLE, I USE THE ANALOGY MUCH LIKE LEAVING YOUR KEYS.
I MEAN, YOUR CAR UNLOCKED, YOU'RE INVITING FOR SOMEBODY TO GO IN YOUR CAR AND TAKE WHAT THEY WANT OR BREAK THE LAW.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I, THAT I SUGGESTED, THREE OF THE SITES THAT I MENTIONED, EXCUSE ME, DON'T REALLY HAVE THE ADEQUATE FENCE.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT NEIGHBORING COUNTIES, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF FENCING AROUND, I THINK, UH, LINDEN'S PROBABLY THE SITE, THE ONLY SITE THAT WE HAVE COMPLETE FENCING AROUND, AND THAT ELIMINATES A LOT OF CONVENIENCE, IF YOU WILL.
UM, STILL THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT WILL DUMP THEIR TRASH OUTSIDE OF THE GATE.
CAUSE I'M NOT PROUD THAT THEY GET PEOPLE'S TRASH AND, UH, AND PEOPLE IN GENERAL WILL DUMP THE TRASH.
AND DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT THE FACT THEY'VE GOT ENVELOPES OR WHAT HAVE YOU IN THERE, UH, THAT WERE EASILY THAT CAN EASILY IDENTIFY THEM.
SO IF WE CAN CUT THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE OUT HERE THAT ARE DUMPING, WE CAN GET THE FEW THAT ARE STILL DUMPING OUTSIDE.
UM, NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, WHETHER IT BE PUT MORE FANCY ENOUGH, OR, YOU KNOW, MORE SIGNAGE, WHAT HAVE YOU, BUT WE GOT TO PUT THINGS IN PLACE.
SO WE CAN THAT HE, UH, UH, MAKE OUR TOWN, MAKE OUR COUNTY MORE PEACEABLE, UH, MORE SIGHTLY, IF YOU WILL, UH, ESPECIALLY ON FIVE 22, YOU KNOW, COMING INTO THE CORRIDOR.
UM, IT'S NOT A GOOD SITE FOR PEOPLE TO SEE.
AND, BUT SHERIFF'S OFFICE SHERIFF BUTLER AND MYSELF AND OUR DEPUTIES ARE WILLING TO HELP SOLID WASTE IN THE COUNTY.
ONE, I KNOW ANOTHER, UM, ISSUE IS FAILURE TO ADEQUATELY SECURE THE LOAD.
AND, UM, JUST COMING DOWN TO GO TO CHURCH ON SUNDAY FROM BENTONVILLE TO, UM, RIGHT BEFORE ROCKY LANE, BECAUSE CHURCH IS RIGHT THERE ON THREE 40, I THINK WE COUNTED SIX PICKUP TRUCKS WITH THE TRAILERS BEHIND THEM.
THEY RECOVERED WITH TARP, BUT I DON'T THINK PEOPLE REALIZE THAT EVEN IF YOU HAVE YOUR GARBAGE IN A GARBAGE BAG AND THE BAG IS ALL SEALED UP, IF YOU DON'T HAVE A TARP OVER THAT, THOSE THINGS ARE BOUNCING ALONG, YOU HIT A POTHOLE OR WHATEVER, AND THAT BAG FLIES OFF.
EVENTUALLY SOMEBODY'S GOING TO HIT IT.
IT'S GOING TO SCATTER ALL OVER THE ROAD.
AND I KNOW ALL OF THE AREAS HAVE A S A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF THAT, BUT IT'S SPECIALLY GOING TO THREE UP THREE 40.
AND I KNOW THERE'S A CHAIR THERE NEAR DUNG DUNGANNON RIGHT NOW, UNLESS SOMEBODY GOT IT TODAY.
UM, AND IT AMAZES ME, I'VE SEEN FULL-SIZED MATTRESSES, COUCHES, ALL KINDS OF STUFF.
AND I KNOW, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU NOT KNOW YOU LOST THAT? AND DON'T GO BACK AND GET IT.
UM, BUT THAT, THAT IS A PRO A HUGE PROBLEM AS WELL.
AND I THINK PEOPLE FEEL, I GOT, YOU KNOW, I GOT MY BAG ON ONE BAG.
UH, AND SO FAILURE TO SECURE IS, AND THAT'S SOMETHING I, I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE OVERWHELMED, BUT IF THEY SEE IT, THEY CAN, THEY DON'T HAVE TO SEE IT FALL OFF.
THEY CAN JUST SEE IT'S NOT SECURE ENOUGH TO STAY ON.
AND I THINK STOPPING AND MAKING, UM, NOT NECESSARILY GIVE PEOPLE A TICKET, BUT SOME WARNINGS ON THAT WOULD CERTAINLY HELP BECAUSE I'M 18, I'M 1800 AND SOME ODD BAGS OF TRASH WERE PICKED UP.
I KNOW OF BACK, OH, I FORGET A COUPLE MONTHS AGO WHEN I ASKED, UM, MR. GILKINSON ALTO RSW, IF HE COULD PUT THREE 40, BECAUSE IT WAS HORRIBLE.
UM, I EVEN STOPPED AND WENT THROUGH SOME TRASH AND GOT SOME PICKED UP AND GOT SOME, UM, PERSONAL INFORMATION.
AND I THINK YOU PROBABLY WENT AND TALKED TO THAT PERSON.
UM, IT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S COSTLY PICKING THAT UP.
IT'S UNSIGHTLY, BUT IT'S ALSO COSTLY.
I AGREE WITH THE CHAIR COLORS, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS IN ELABORATING FURTHER THAN WHAT YOU'RE, UH, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE'VE HAD, UH, UH, DEPUTY
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EXCELLENT JOB IN THE PAST.HE'S ACTUALLY NOT ONLY CITED PEOPLE FAIL, IT FAILED FAILING TO SECURE THE LOAD, BUT ACTUALLY A COUPLE OF THE, UH, UH, CONTAINER TRUCKS, UH, UH, FOR THAT.
SO, UH, THAT'S BEEN ENFORCED AS FAR AS FELONIES SECURE LOAD, AS WELL AS THAT.
ONE OF THE, UH, I HOOKED UP WITH MIKE WITH EARLY ON WAS, UH, UM, I GUESS WAS ANTI-LITTER COUNCIL HAD THE, UH, THE CARGO NETS.
AND WE ACTUALLY, UH, HELPED, UH, MARKET THAT THROUGH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, FACEBOOK PAGE AND EVERYTHING TRYING TO INFORM CITIZENS TODAY.
UH, ONCE I GOT WITH MIKE THAT THEY WERE STILL AVAILABLE, UH, PEOPLE NEED THEM.
SO IT'S THE EDUCATION PROCESS, THE AWARENESS PROCESS.
I DON'T THINK, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THAT AS FAR AS PICKING UP A CARBON NET, BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE MEANS OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO TOO, RIGHT? NO, THE GENTLEMEN THAT WORKED THE SCALE SIT UP THERE, UM, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, JAMIE, BUT THEY ALSO HAND OUT A FLYER EXPLAINING WHAT YOU SHOULD, HOW YOU SHOULD HAVE YOUR LOAD SECURED.
AND I THINK, ARE THEY NOT STILL GIVING OUT NETS UP THERE AS WELL? SO, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S THERE, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF GETTING PEOPLE TO ADHERE TO IT.
AND I DO APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT, UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, AS IN ANYTHING WEAR AND TEAR ON SOME OF THE BIG, UM, TRASH HAULING TRUCKS, UH, ONCE THEY WERE INFORMED THAT THEY WERE LOSING THEM A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TRASH, THEY GOT NEW NETS TO COVER, AND THAT HAS MADE A BIG DIFFERENCE.
AND I THINK OVERALL FOR WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND REALLY JUST BEING IN THIS SETTING TODAY ON THIS WORK SESSION WITH THIS IS A BIG TOPIC FOR YOU TO SEE EVENING.
I THINK THE, UH, IT'S IN THE WORKS RIGHT NOW, WHETHER, YOU KNOW, THROUGH, THROUGH YOUR EFFORTS AS A BOARD, AND NOT ONLY THAT THROUGH THE, UH, THE, THE MARKETING THROUGH THE PRESS RELEASE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING, THAT'S REALLY GONNA HIT HOME TO THE CITIZENS AND MAKE THEM AWARE THAT, UH, SHERIFF'S OFFICE, AS WELL AS OUR BOARD.
AND, UH, HOPEFULLY THOSE CITIZENS, UH, DEPARTMENT HEADS, UH, WE'RE ALL WORKING TOGETHER TO CLEAN UP THIS COUNTY.
AND THAT MEANS GOING AS FAR AS ENFORCING EVERY ASPECT OF WHAT'S PUTTING TRASH OUT THERE ON THE STREETS.
AND I DON'T THINK PEOPLE REALIZE TOO, IT'S A, IT'S A TRAFFIC HAZARD THAT BAG OR SOMETHING COMES FLYING OFF THERE AND YOU VEER TO MISS IT.
AND THEN THERE'S A LOT OF PLACES ON ALL THESE ROADS.
YOU DON'T HAVE ANY PLACE TO VEER TO MISS SOMETHING.
SO, UM, IT'S, IT TAKES A FEW EXTRA MINUTES, BUT IT'S SO MUCH WORTH IT ARE CAMERAS BEING USED AND WHY WOULD THEY BE EFFECTIVE? WE HAVE ONE LOCATION WITH ACTIVE CAMERAS OUT OF COLI.
UM, BUT PEOPLE USUALLY FIGURE OUT WHAT THE FURNITURE, WHERE THEY, UH, CAN GO OUTSIDE OF THE CAMERA.
UM, WE'VE HAD SOME SUGGESTIONS FROM LIEUTENANT SEAL ALSO ON LIGHTING.
UM, WE COULD USE BETTER CAMERAS AND MORE, MAYBE MORE OPEN MAYBE.
WELL, I THINK SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THE LONG RUN, I MEAN, THAT WOULD ALSO REQUIRE US AT SOME LOCATIONS TO PUT IN SOME INTERNET CONNECTION.
UM, BUT, UM, I THINK THAT, UM, WE NEED TO KNOW WHERE YOUR STANCE IS AS A BOARD TO BEGIN TO PURSUE THOSE, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST TO PUT CAMERAS OUT THERE, IF WE'RE NOT WILLING TO, UM, HAVE EVERYTHING IN PLACE, THE PROSECUTOR, UM, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE A WASTE OF MONEY, FRANK, BECAUSE CAMERAS IN ITSELF WOULD BE A DETERRENT.
YOU WOULD THINK, BUT THEY'RE ON THE BUILDING OUT THERE.
AND, UM, THAT'S THE WORST LOCATION WE HAVE.
SO DO YOU HAVE SIGNAGE THAT SAYS SECURITY ARE PROTECTED BY SECURITY CAMERAS? WE HAD SOME CAMERA SIGNS UP THERE.
UM, IT, IT DIDN'T, BUT, AND ROBBIE ALREADY SAID IT.
I MEAN, FOR YEARS, YOU KNOW, THE LITTLE, THE LITTLE HOLE WAS OPEN.
WE BEGAN TO GET OVERWHELMED WITH, UM, FURNITURE AND MATTRESSES AND BOX SPRINGS.
AND TO THE POINT THAT SOLID WASTE MANAGER HAS A REGULAR ROUTINE PICKUP WITH A TRAILER BEHIND THE TRUCK THAT YOU USED TO JUST PICK UP OLD PAINT.
SO IT'S JUST CONTINUED TO GROW AND PEOPLE SEE A PILE AND THEY DON'T THINK THEY'RE DOING ANYTHING WRONG.
SO IF THEY SEE THE LITTLE GATE OPEN AND THEY'RE ALLOWED TO WALK IN, THEY THINK IT'S OKAY.
SO IF THE HOPPER IS CLOSED AND THERE'S FIVE BAGS ON THE GROUND, THEY'RE GOING TO PUT FIVE MORE ON THE GROUND.
SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE NEED TO DECIDE, YOU KNOW, ARE OUR HOURS ENOUGH? UM, DO WE WANT TO TELL THE FOLKS, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE WILL ACCEPT THAT WE'RE OPEN.
WELL, ROBBIE ALREADY SAID IT MORE THAN EVERYBODY ELSE AROUND THIS.
THE ONLY ONE CLOSEST SHENANDOAH COUNTY.
AND I THINK THEY'RE ONE TO FIVE ON SUNDAYS, EVERYBODY ELSE, UM, THEY'LL ADJUST HER HOURS AND LESS THAN THEM OR MOVE THEM BACK DURING SUMMERTIME.
EVERYBODY ELSE HAS A HOLIDAY SCHEDULE.
WE'RE SO CONVENIENT THAT WE DRAW,
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UH, WE'RE AN ATTRACTION FOR OTHER COUNTIES.AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I PUSHED THE, KEEP THE COUNTY DECAL WHEN WE, THE COUNTY DISCUSSED DOING AWAY WITH IT, BECAUSE NOT THAT WE WANT TO DO THEM FORCEMENT.
WE WANT LAW ENFORCEMENT TO DO THE ENFORCEMENT AND HELP US THERE, BUT ON THE TAXPAYER DOLLAR SIDE, UM, WE WANT TO DO OUR BEST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT PAYING FOR EVERYONE.
I MEAN, WITH COVID, WE'VE HAD NUMEROUS PEOPLE FROM PAIGE COUNTY COME TO THE TRANSFER STATION AND WANT TO THROW TRASH AWAY.
WE GET PEOPLE, UH, UH, IT WAS ONE OF THE FORMER BOARD MEMBERS WAS HE HAD SAW PEOPLE FROM WEST VIRGINIA AT ONE POINT WHEN SHANDO COUNTY HAD CLOSED DOWN THE SEIDEL 55.
UM, AND WE HAD PEOPLE FROM WEST VIRGINIA COME OUT HERE IN THE EVENING.
SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN SITUATIONS TOO, YOU KNOW, TODAY'S WORLD, PEOPLE THROW THINGS AWAY.
I KNOW FREDERICK COUNTY YEARS AGO, UM, I'VE TALKED TO ROBBIE ABOUT IT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A TIME THEY HAD A VOLKSWAGEN PUT INTO A COMPACTOR WHEN THEY WERE WIDE OPEN.
AND THE WORST THING I EVER HEARD OVER THERE WAS A, IT WAS ACTUALLY A BABY, BUT IN ONE AT NIGHT.
UM, SO IN TODAY'S WORLD, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU NEED TO BE CAUTIOUS.
UM, AND PEOPLE DO, UH, ABUSE THEM AT TIMES.
UM, WE'VE, I'VE WORKED WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT BEFORE AND THE SHERIFF BUTLER SAID I HAVE BEEN TO COURT, UM, FOR THINGS THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN HAPPENING, UM, PEOPLE GETTING INTO THE METAL CANS AND DOING THINGS THAT THEY SHOULDN'T BE DOING ON THOSE LOCATIONS.
SO I THINK AT THIS POINT, WE JUST NEED TO THE BOARD'S DIRECTION.
UM, IF, IF WE NEED TO, UM, MODIFY THE CODE OR IF WE NEED TO HAVE YOU APPROVE APPROPRIATE SIGNAGE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHERE YOU STAND, WOULD YOU LIKE US TO, UM, CONTINUE AND, UM, AND MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE, ARE TREATING OUR SITES, UH, APPROPRIATELY AND USING THEM WHEN WE'RE OPEN? I THINK ANOTHER THING WE NEED TO LOOK AT, I GOT SEVERAL, UM, CALLS OF CONCERN BECAUSE THIS SUNDAY WAS EVIDENTLY EVERYBODY WAS GETTING A REBATE TO GO TO THE, THE DUMP AND, UM, THEY WERE OVERWHELMED AND THEY HAD TO TURN PEOPLE AWAY BECAUSE OF IT AND CORRECT ME IF I MISQUOTE ON THIS, THAT PART OF THE PROBLEM IS CONTRACTORS BRINGING IN LOADS, UM, THAT THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BRING IN WHEN THE SCALE HOUSE IS NOT OPEN.
SO WE NEED TO FIGURE THAT PROBLEM OUT AS WELL.
AND THEY, THEY CERTAINLY KNOW THAT THEY NEED TO BE WEIGHED IN.
UM, SO, AND OUR, OUR STAFF SHOULD NOT HAVE TO STAY IN AND ARGUE WITH PEOPLE, UM, AND CONFRONT PEOPLE.
I DON'T WANT THAT AT THE, I KNOW THEY'RE TAKING ENOUGH GRIEF WHEN THEY TELL SOMEBODY THEY'RE LOCKING UP AND PEOPLE ARE THROWING TRASH OVER THE THING.
UM, BECAUSE I CAME BY, I LEFT LOWE'S AT SEVEN 15 ON SUNDAY, AND THERE WERE ALREADY IT'S, THE SITE HAD BEEN CLOSED 15 MINUTES AND THEY WERE ALREADY THROWING STUFF OVER.
UM, ME PERSONALLY, I HAD TO TAKE IT BACK HOME AND BROUGHT IT BACK THE NEXT DAY.
BUT IF OUR ATTENDED HAD STILL BEEN THERE, THEN IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, PUTTING THEM IN A POSITION OF, UM, BEING THE ENFORCER AND THAT THAT'S NOT A GOOD POSITION FOR THEM.
WELL, AND THEY HAVE BEEN THERE AND SOME OF THEM HAS FOUGHT THOSE BATTLES.
THAT'S WHY IT'S GREAT TO HAVE THE SUPPORT OF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND, UM, SUPPORTED THE BOARD.
AND, AND I THINK YOU BRING, UH, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE FOLKS THAT TRY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOUR WEAKEST EMPLOYEE ON SUNDAY EVENING OR A SATURDAY EVENING WHEN THE SCALE HAS, IS CLOSED.
AND, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE A LOT OF, UH, LEGITIMATE, UM, I THINK A LOT OF CONTRACTORS, A LOT OF THEM HAVE THEIR OWN TRUCKS, TRAILERS, UM, AND, AND USE OF CANS.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'D EVER CATCH EVERY PERSON, BUT I MEAN, A MAJOR CONTRACTOR, I THINK, UM, SOMEBODY GOING TO SEE THE OTHER NAME ON SIDE TRUCK QUESTION, AND WE HAVE HAD QUESTIONS WHERE SOMEONE DRIVES A CONTRACTOR VEHICLE AND THEY HAVE A BAG OF TRASH, UM, IN THERE.
AND, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, ONE BAG THEY'RE A CARPENTER, YOU KNOW? SO, UM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE THOSE SITUATIONS, UM, HMM.
THE IMPRESSION, THIS WAS JUST A BAG OF TRASH.
NO, I'M JUST SAYING WE HAVE TO BE CAUTIOUS AS WELL, BECAUSE WE HAVE, WE DO HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T WANT TO MENTION NAMES, BUT I KNOW SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU WILL USE LIKE THREE 40 SITE, YOU HAVE CONTRACTORS, THAT'LL GO, THEY'RE TAKING THEIR HOME BACK.
CAUSE THEIR CONTRACTOR VEHICLE WAS THEIR TRUCK.
UM, BUT YEAH, BUT I MEAN, JAMIE WAS TALKING BEFORE WE HAD THE MEETING THE EVENING, I MEAN, IN OUR DOCUMENTATION, WE ASK BULK LOADS, BULK MATERIALS TO COME IN ONLY DURING SCALE HOUSE HOURS.
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YOU KNOW, THAT'S ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE PLACES WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU DO PUT THAT PERSON IN A POSITION TO MAKE A DECISION.IF YOU'VE GOT A COUCH AND A CHAIR AND, YOU KNOW, DO YOU TURN IT AWAY ON SUNDAY OR IF IT'S A WHOLE LOAD OF SHINGLES AND TWO BY FOURS AND YOU KNOW, IT SHOULDN'T BE COMING IN THERE.
YOU KNOW, THAT ATTENDANT MIGHT SAY THIS, OR WE CAN'T ACCEPT THAT TODAY.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT NEEDS TO BE, YOU HAVE TO SET A STANDARD AND STICK TO IT BECAUSE ONCE YOU START VEERING FROM THAT, THAT'S WHEN YOU GET YOURSELF IN TROUBLE.
AND ONCE PEOPLE REALIZE THAT THAT'S THE STANDARD, THAT'S THE PROCEDURE.
UM, THEN YOU, YOU HAVE TO STICK TO THAT.
I MEAN, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK, I DIDN'T KNOW UNTIL I GOT TO LEARNING ABOUT THIS IS THAT YOU CAN'T LEAVE STUFF ON THAT TIP AND FLOOR OVERNIGHT, IT'S GOTTA BE CLEARED.
SO IF YOU DON'T HAVE SOMEONE WHO, AND ON WEEKENDS, YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TO HAVE SOMEONE, UM, THAT'S A LOADER OPERATOR TO CLEAN THE TIP AND FLOOR OFF BECAUSE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE JUST GARBAGE TO GOES INTO YOUR OPEN TOP CONTAINERS DOWN THERE OR THE RECYCLES.
SO IT'S, IF WE'RE GOING TO LET THEM IN AND THAT'S GOING TO, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A SCALE PERSON AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER LOADER OPERATOR, WHICH IS MORE EXPENSE.
SO IF WE HAVE SAID WEEKENDS THAT IN, DO YOU HAVE THE SCALE HOUSE OPEN ON SATURDAY? AND WHAT HOURS OF THAT? SEVEN TO THREE.
SO IF THEY'VE GOT, WHAT FIVE DAYS A WEEK, THEN THEY CAN BRING STUFF IN TO BE SCALED OUT AND CONTRACTORS GOT SICK.
WELL, YEAH, THEY'VE GOT WEDNESDAY.
THEY CAN COME IN, CORRECT? YEP.
SO SUNDAY'S A DAY OF REST ON THAT, BEN, AND WE JUST NEED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THAT SO THAT IT DOESN'T BREAK THE RULES OF DEQ SAYING THE TIP AND FLOORS GOT TO BE CLEAR AND DOESN'T PUT OUR STAFF IN SUCH BAD.
UM, I KNOW RO IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME, SOME LAW ENFORCEMENT PLEASE, BECAUSE THEY ARE, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS THEY'LL PAY MORE ATTENTION TO YOU THAN THEY WILL.
OUR ATTENDANCE PERSPECTIVE TO END MY COMMENTS.
UM, JUST A SUGGESTION ON MY PART, WHEN YOU CONTEMPLATE, YOU KNOW, HOW TO FIX THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE WITH OUR TRANSIT ISSUES ON A PREVENTIVE ASPECT, WHETHER IT BE FENCING, LIGHTING, UM, CAMERAS, OR A COMBINATION THEREOF THAT WOULD HELP TREMENDOUSLY ON THE ENFORCEMENT SIDE, THE PROPER SIGNAGE, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL WE NEED THERE.
AND LAW ENFORCEMENT TAKE THAT.
AND OF COURSE, FOR THE SITES THERE, AND OF COURSE WE CAN ADD TO THAT FROM AN ENFORCEMENT STANDPOINT, BY CONTINUING OR ENHANCING THE ENFORCEMENT ON THE ROADS WITH RESPECT TO FAIRLY SECURE LOAD.
UM, BUT IT'S MY SUGGESTIONS, UH, AS FAR AS PREVENTATIVE, AS WELL AS FORCEMENT, IF I CAN ADD, IF I CAN ADD TO WHAT ROBBIE IS SAYING AS WELL, US HAVING SIGNAGE AND TRACK AND NO TRESPASSING.
SO AS MY DEPUTIES ARE CRUISING ARE PATROLLING AND CRUISING THE AREA OF THEIR SECTOR.
THEY SEE A VEHICLE IN THE AREA OF THOSE STATION.
NOW THEY HAVE PROBABLE CAUSE TO ADDRESS THAT SUBJECT WITHOUT THAT THEY REALLY DON'T HAVE PROBABLE CAUSE.
SO IT ALSO, YOU, YOU GET US OUT OF A TRICK BAG LEGALLY BY ACTUALLY PUTTING PROPER SIGNAGE AND A CODE OF, OF NO TRESPASSING AFTER HOURS.
IT REALLY HELPS US SO WE CAN ENFORCE IT.
IF NOT, HEY, I'M JUST SITTING HERE.
AND THEN AS SOON AS WE LEAVE, RIGHT, UH, HEY, WHERE'D THAT CAR? I RAN THE TAG.
THEN I'M GOING THROUGH THE TRASH I HAVE NOW SAW THE PERSON.
I CAN PUT IT WITH THE ADDRESS AND THE TRASH.
AND NOW I CAN ACTUALLY ISSUE THAT $2,500 FINE.
AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT Y'ALL, BUT IF I GET A $2,500 FIVE, ONCE IT'S ONLY GOING TO BE ONCE.
SO NOW IS THAT A LITTERING CHARGE OR IS THAT FAILURE TO SECURE CHARGE? I'M TALKING ABOUT THE NO TRESPASSING.
LITTERING CHARGE IS DIFFERENT, BUT WE HAVE TO OBSERVE IT.
YOU HAVE TO SEE INTENT TO LITTER.
BUT IF THAT PERSON IS ON SITE NOW HE'S HE OR SHE IS AUTOMATICALLY TRESPASSING.
I'M NOT SAYING WE HAVE TO CHARGE THEM BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE THAT CHARGING IN EVERY INCIDENT IS THAT I'M LOOKING FOR COMPLIANCE OF LAW.
SO IF I CAN GET A TRESPASSING SIGN, SO IT GIVES MY DEPUTIES, THE PROBABLE CAUSE TO STOP, NOT JUST REASONABLE SUSPICION.
NOW I ACTUALLY HAVE SOMETHING, SOME GROUNDS AND SOME, SOME LEVERAGE UNDERNEATH ME.
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IF YOU WARNED ME, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO WARN ME TWICE JUST SAYING, AND AS, AS IF I UNDERSTAND ON THE FAILURE TO SECURE, THEY DON'T HAVE TO SEE ANYTHING DROP OFF.THEY CAN JUST SEE THAT THERE'S A POSSIBILITY IT WILL DROP OFF.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, FLASHING THOSE NICE BLUE LIGHTS AND WALKING UP SAYING, I'M NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU A TICKET, BUT I'M WARNING YOU THIS TIME.
OUR DEPUTIES ARE AGGRESSIVELY DOING THAT.
I APPRECIATE THAT THEY ARE DOING IT.
DALEY, CAN YOU HAVE THE COUNTY ATTORNEY REVIEW THE CODE AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO HOW TO ENHANCE IT? YES.
MA'AM UH, QUESTION FOR LIEUTENANT SEAL WITH THAT, DOES SIGNAGE REQUIRE THE BOARD APPROVAL OR THE BOARD DIRECTION, OR CAN STAFF PUT THE SIGNS UP? THE STAFF CAN PUT THE SIGNS UP SUBJECT TO THE APPROVAL OF THAT SIGNED BY THE BOARD SUPERVISOR.
SO THE BOARD NEEDS TO APPROVE THE SPECIFIC SIGN, OR JUST SAY SIGNAGE THAT, THAT SPECIFIC SIDE.
WELL ALSO WE DO NEED THE BOARD TO SAY THAT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS AN AGENT OF THE COUNTY THAT CAN ENFORCE, UH, THE AUTHORITY TO ENFORCE THAT.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE CODE AND ALL THAT COMES IN.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THERE? AND I HAVE PROVIDED THE COUNTY ATTORNEY WITH THE, THE BRIEF NOTES THAT WE HAD AS WE STARTED THIS, BUT, UM, SO SHE, SHE DOES HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND THERE.
AND I GUESS AS PART OF THE LANDFILL COMMITTEE THAT WE'VE NEVER MET, BUT WE NEED TO MEET, UM, WE CAN WORK WITH HER AND GET ALL THAT AS A, A COMMITTEE EFFORT.
AND THEN WE CAN SAY WE MET AS WELL.
WE'LL SCHEDULE FILL COMMITTEE, SOLID WASTE COMMITTEE.
IT'S ALWAYS, I KNEW LANDFILL DIDN'T SOUND RIGHT? YEAH.
SO NEXT WILL BE DISCUSSION OF TRANSPORTATION FEES.
AND I THINK KEITH, YOU GOT A COUPLE OF SLIDES IN HERE TOO.
WELL, I HAVE TO TELL YOU, I CAN'T SEE, I'M TELLING YOU I GOT 62 YEAR OLD EYES.
I'M GOING TO BE VERY HONEST TO THAT.
YOU KNOW, THE, THE TECHNOLOGY FACTOR WAS A LITTLE TOUGH.
I WAS MAKING IT HAPPEN, UM, GETTING SOMETHING TO WORK.
UM, SO WE'VE, WE'VE, I'VE HAD A FEW TROUBLE, UM, APPARENTLY REALLY AN ODD BALL.
THEY CAN'T GET MY EMAIL GOING.
AND, UM, SO, BUT I CAN READ IT TO YOU.
UM, I JUST DID A 20 FEE COMPARISON, UM, TO KIND OF SHOW YOU WHERE WE'RE AT.
SOME LANDFILLS OR TRANSPORTATION HAVE MULTIPLE TIERS OF, UH, INFORMATION.
UH, YOU CAN'T BLOW IT UP AT ALL KENYA.
I DIDN'T KNOW FAMILY COULD ON THE SCREEN.
UM, BUT THE, SO COMMERCIAL WASTE MSW BASICALLY MILL MSW, MUNICIPAL SOLID WASTE, WARREN COUNTY, OUR TRANSFER STATIONS CURRENTLY AT $69 PER TON.
SO ANY CUSTOMER THAT COMES THROUGH THERE, UM, WHETHER THEY'RE A TRASH HAULER OR A CONTRACTOR WITH CONSTRUCTION MATERIAL ACROSS THE SCALES, THEY PAY 69 PER TON, PAIGE COUNTY, THEY PAY 45 FREDERICK COUNTY.
SHANANDOAH GOES UP JULY ONE TO 54 FALL HERE, WHICH HAS A TRANSFER STATION AND A CONSTRUCTION LANDFILL.
UM, THEIR COMMERCIAL RATES, 55 PER TON, AND LOUDEN COUNTY 62 CONSTRUCTION CDD CONSTRUCTION IS CONSTRUCTION AND DEMOLITION MATERIAL.
UM, WE HAVE ONE RATE 69 PER TON PAGES, 60 FREDERICK IS 45.
A LITTLE BIGGER FOR YOU SCROLLING.
UM, SHANANDOAH 63 FOLK, HERE'S 46 AND LOUDNESS $62 PER TON.
SO AS WE, AS WE START THIS, UM, THAT'S OUR, THAT'S OUR PRIMARY FEE, THE $69 PER TON.
I JUST WANTED YOU TO SEE THAT WE ARE HIGHER THAN EVERYBODY SURROUNDED US.
AND THAT INCLUDED LOUDEN COUNTY IN THAT ALSO WHEN WE'RE STILL ABOVE LOUD.
UM, OUR GOAL IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COVER OUR COSTS WITH THOSE HOLLERS.
THEY COME THROUGH THERE, COME ACROSS THE SCALES, PAY THE PAY FOR OUR MANAGEMENT, OUR ELECTRICITY, OUR HAULING DOWN THE ROAD, UM, PAY FOR EVERYTHING.
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AND THAT'S OUR GOAL.SO, UM, AT THIS POINT I JUST WANTED YOU TO KNOW THE ONLY THING THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY GO UP WHEN I FEEL I DON'T, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE COMMERCIAL BRUSH AND STUMPS.
AND WE REALLY DON'T DO A WHOLE LOT OF COMMERCIAL, UM, BRUSH.
AND I MEAN, WE GET A FEW NURSERIES, UM, SPRINGTIME, BUT VERY LIMITED.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE COULD RAISE THAT AND, AND, AND TAKE THAT TO THE BOARD, UM, WHERE W THAT'S ACTUALLY THE ONLY THING THAT WE'RE LOWER THAN EVERYBODY ELSE ON IS AS A BRUSH.
MA'AM WHY, SO WHY ARE WE HIGHER THAN R AND WHY DOES IT COST US MORE? IS THERE A, SO IF YOU HAVE A TRANSFER STATION, UM, AND ALL OF THE SURROUNDING COUNTIES, AND I DIDN'T INCLUDE CLARK ON HERE BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY WORK WITH FREDERICK COUNTY, UM, AND USE THAT REGIONAL AFL, BUT WITH A LANDFILL, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE AS FAR TO TRUCK.
SO, YOU KNOW, LIKE AT OUR CONVENIENCE SITES, ON YOUR SIDE OF TOWN, WE HAVE REPUBLIC SERVICE, PICK IT UP, BRING IT TO THE TRANSFER STATION, DUMP IT ON THE FLOOR.
WE GO THROUGH IT MEAN OUR OPERATORS LOAD IT, 18 WHEELER, HAUL IT TO THE BATTLE CREEK LANDFILL.
THEN WE PAY A TIP AND FEE AND IT GOES IN THE GROUND.
SO AS A TRANSFER STATION, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE FEE INVOLVED.
UM, BUT IN TODAY'S WORLD, LANDFILLS ARE VERY EXPENSIVE TO, UM, YOU LEEJAY COLLECTION LINERS, UM, DAILY COVER.
I MEAN, IT, IT'S NOT REALLY COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES IN REGARDS TO THE OPERATION, BUT, UM, THE, THE HAULERS AND THE CONSTRUCTION WORKERS THAT ARE BRINGING IN THE MATERIALS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S IN SPEAKING WITH THE FINANCE DIRECTOR, HE'S LIKE, WELL, IF YOU, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HIT THEM TOO HARD, THEY'RE GOING TO SAY I WAS WORKING IN FREDERICK COUNTY AND THEY'RE GOING TO DRIVE DOWN THE ROAD, WHICH THEY SHOULDN'T, BUT IT COULD POTENTIALLY HAPPEN.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND IN REGARDS TO RESIDENTIAL WASTE, ALL OF THESE LOCALITIES, YOU KNOW, YOUR BAG TRASH, NOT THIS BULK STUFF.
UM, TYPICALLY IT'S FREE LOUDON COUNTY.
THEY'RE A LITTLE DIFFERENT LOOKS LIKE THEY GOT SOME, SOMETHING CALLED FAST TRASH, AND YOU CAN PAY A $6 MINIMUM.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS, UM, YOU KNOW, SHANDO COUNTY, THEY'RE FREE FOR THEIR CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS.
THEY DON'T CHARGE THEIR RESIDENTS WHEN THEY GO TO THE LANDFILL.
UM, WE, WE GIVE FOLKS 999 POUNDS FREE PER DAY.
SO, UM, FOR RESIDENTS, ANYTHING OVER THAT, THEY PAY OUR $69 TIP AND FEE, UM, PAIGE COUNTY, $60 PER TON, UM, FOR RESIDENTS, SOME, SOME LOCALITIES WILL HAVE A RESIDENTIAL FEE AND DROP IT A LITTLE LIKE, UH, FOLK HERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S 50 PER TON FOR RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION MATERIAL, BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S A, THAT'S JUST A BASICS ON FEES.
JUST WANT YOU TO SEE THE COMPARISON.
UM, I'VE MET WITH THE FINANCE DIRECTOR, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WE JUST REVIEWED, YOU KNOW, THE DAY THAT JUST TO KIND OF GO THROUGH AND SHOW HIM, HEY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT PERCENTAGE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF IT'S A HUGE BILL THERE, BUT TYPICALLY, UM, IT'S TYPICALLY 51 TO 55% OF OUR WASTE IS RESIDENTIAL, NOT COMMERCIAL AND JUST A FEW TONNAGE NUMBERS FOR YOU.
UM, AND, AND SOME OF THIS DATA WAS GETTING IN, IN REGARDS TO, UH, OUR PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS, BUT, YOU KNOW, WITH, UM, THE YEAR 2020, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE DOING IN TRASH, WHAT'S LEAVING THAT SITE.
UH, THAT'S WHAT WE SENT OUT TO WARREN COUNTY.
THAT'S JUST TRASH, JUST TRASH.
AND I'M HOPING YOU CAN SEE MY GRAPH UP THERE THAT KIND OF GIVES YOU A GOOD VISUAL.
UM, WHEN I FIRST STARTED WITH THE COUNTY, I HAD DONE A 10 YEAR AVERAGE, UM, JUST BASED ON HISTORICAL DOCUMENTS AND OVER 10 YEARS.
AND THAT WAS THROUGH THE MARKET CRASH.
WE WERE AVERAGING AT ABOUT 30,000 TONS A YEAR.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, I STARTED IN 2011.
SO I STARTED KEEPING A LITTLE MORE DATA.
AND FROM 2012 TO 2020, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE OUR STAIRSTEPS.
I THINK THAT'S A GOOD SIGN FOR THE ECONOMY, UM, AND, AND THE COUNTY, AND YOU CAN SEE THE GROWTH THAT WE'VE HAD, BUT, UM, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HIDDEN TOWARDS A 40,000 A TON MARK.
NOW, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL CONTINUE, BUT THE TREND OVER THE LAST EIGHT YEARS AND THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, KINDA SHOW THE YEAR BY YEAR.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE WERE AN EIGHT YEAR PERIOD.
WE WENT UP ALMOST 10,000 TONS OF WASTE IN THE COUNTY.
NO, THE QUESTIONS WE, WE TALKED ABOUT PREVIOUSLY, AND IT DEALS SPECIFICALLY WITH FEES AS THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, UM, WASTE
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AND THEIR COMMERCIAL WASTE.AND, UM, I DID SPEAK WITH THE, UM, THE PREVIOUS INTERIM TOWN MANAGER.
UM, AND, AND HE, HE UNDERSTOOD, WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS AND DESCRIPTION OF, YOU KNOW, WE ONLY CHARGED 73.5%.
AND WHY DID THAT HAPPEN? I THINK INITIALLY THE PLAN WAS TO COMMINGLE THE WASTE AND THEY NO LONGER DO SUCH.
SO WHEN WE INITIALLY TALKED ABOUT THAT, UM, AND WE HAVEN'T TAKEN ANY FORMAL ACTION, BUT I KNOW MR. FOX WAS AT THE LIAISON MEETING.
UM, AND THAT'S BEEN A WHILE, BUT, UM, WAS THAT OCTOBER, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER.
UM, BUT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS WITH THE TOWN AND THEY SEEMED LIKE THEY WERE WILLING TO DISCUSS, YOU KNOW, UM, THEY UNDERSTOOD, HEY, WE'RE, WE'RE SUBSIDIZED ON THAT COMMERCIAL WASTE AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT COMING IF THEY WERE CO-MINGLING, IT, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE, BUT THEY'RE NOT, CO-MINGLING THE WASTE.
AND, BUT THAT, THIS GIVES YOU A BREAKDOWN ALSO OF WHAT THEY DO THIS SERIES OR YOUR 2020 TONNAGE.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF FAMILY CAN BLOW THAT UP A LITTLE BIT FOR ME ON THAT SCREEN, UM, FOR THE TOWN OF FRONT REAR WHEEL, I'VE GOT BOTH RESIDENTIAL TONS AND COMMERCIAL TONS THERE FOR 2020.
AND IT, CAN YOU SCROLL ON DOWN TO THE BOTTOM, EMILY, JUST TO GIVE YOU A PICTURE.
SO RESIDENTIAL TONS, YOU KNOW, YOUR 5,879 TONS AND JUST OVER 416 TONS COMMERCIAL.
SO THE MAJORITY OF THE WASTE THAT COMES THROUGH THERE FROM THE TOWN IS A RESIDENTIAL IN NATURE.
AND WHAT DOES THAT EQUATE TO, UM, YOU CAN READ THIS SCREEN, I THINK, UM, 73 AND A HALF PERCENT OF THE COMMERCIAL RATE, YOU KNOW, BREAKS DOWN THE $50 AND 72 CENTS.
SO JUST FOR REFERENCE OUR CURRENT TON, OUR CURRENT PER TIME PRICE TO BATTLE CREEK $34, WE'RE AVERAGING ABOUT $18 PER TON.
LUCKY DOGS, OUR CURRENT HOLLER FROM BENTONVILLE AND OUR BUDGET ESTIMATE FOR OUR INTERNAL COSTS IS 17 PART-TIME.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE COME UP WITH THAT $69 A TON.
UM, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, YOU KNOW, I FEEL, I FEEL THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE, WE SHOULD DEFINITELY DO AND IS MAKE SURE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE PURSUE, UM, CHARGING FULL PRICE TO THE TOWN OKAY.
TO, TO MAKE THAT CLEAR, UM, BECAUSE THERE WAS A THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE CO-MINGLING RESIDENTIAL RIGHT.
TO, TO MAKE IT FAIR BECAUSE RESIDENTIAL THEY'RE PAYING, UM, A FEE FOR THE TOWN TO PICK UP.
THEN THE TOWN ALSO PICKS UP JUST COMMERCIAL, LIKE WENDY'S OR MCDONALD'S OR WHATEVER.
SO THEY'RE CHARGING THEM A FEE.
BUT WE WERE ALSO GIVING THEM A CUT RATE ON THAT VERSUS IF I WAS A COMMERCIAL HAULER AND I HAD TO CHARGE YOU $50.
AND BECAUSE I'M CHARGED, I'M PAYING 45 TO DUMP THE TOWN COULD CHARGE YOU $40.
CAUSE THEY'RE PAYING JUST SAY 35.
SO THEY'RE GOING TO UNDERCUT ME.
THAT COULD, I MEAN, IT'S THERE, THEY'RE NOT SEEKING BUSINESS AT THIS TIME.
YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY, I THINK WOULD LIKE TO GET OUT OF THE COMMERCIAL SIDE OF IT.
AND SOME OF THE CANS I THINK, ARE AT LIKE APARTMENT COMPLEXES, YOU DON'T SEE THEM AT BUSINESSES LIKE YOU USED TO.
UM, I'VE NOTICED SOME OF THE SMALLER BUSINESSES, UM, THEY'VE STARTED TO PUT THE BLUE ROLLOUT CONTAINERS RATHER THAN DUMPSTERS.
SO THE COMMERCIAL WAS BASICALLY THEIR DUMPSTERS.
UM, YEARS AGO THEY HAD MORE OF THE DUMPSTERS THAN THEY DO NOW.
SO MIKE, ARE YOU SAYING THAT WE ARE LOSING $18 AND 28 CENTS ON EVERY TON THAT WE, THAT THE TOWN PUTS OUT THERE? I'M SAYING I WAS JUST SHOWING YOU A BREAKDOWN ON THE CALL.
SO RIGHT NOW THEY'RE BASICALLY COVERING NOT, THEY'RE NOT QUITE COVERING THE LANDFILL AND THE HAULING FEE.
UM, SO IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE TWO TOGETHER, IT'S $52 JUST FOR OUR CONTRACTOR COSTS AND THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE ANYTHING WE DO.
WELL, I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE $17 PER TIME THAT WARREN COUNTY HAS TO PAY FOR IT'S ITS INDIVIDUALS THAT'S JUST TO GIVE YOU A VISUAL BREAKDOWN.
MA'AM WELL, WE NEED TO FIX THAT.
AND, AND THAT'S BEEN THE DISCUSSION, LIKE I SAID, AND, UM, AND I HAD SPOKE WITH, UH, MR. TEETER ABOUT THAT PREVIOUSLY, AND HE SEEMED THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THOUGHT THAT WAS A GREAT IDEA.
HE UNDERSTOOD, HE, YOU KNOW, UM, IT WAS A VERY GOOD CONVERSATION.
WE JUST, HAVEN'T GOT TO THAT MOVEMENT PLACE YET TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, THIS, ISN'T A HUGE CHUNK OF CHANGE, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO, UM, MAKE SURE
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IT COMES TO COMES TO BEING, AND WE TAKE CARE OF IT, BUT OUR SERVICES NEED TO COVER ITSELF.I MEAN, IF WE CONTINUE TO NOT LET IT DO THAT, THEN WE'RE SHAME ON US.
AND WE SHOULD REVIEW THE FEE ANNUALLY AND, AND, AND KEITH AND I ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT THAT BRIEFLY THIS MORNING AS WE WERE GETTING READY.
MA'AM, THAT'S ALL, WE, WE DON'T, WE DON'T CHARGE, WE DON'T CHARGE FOR RESIDENTIAL.
SO IT'S 416 TIMES $18 THAT WE'RE LOSING, WHICH IS A LOT.
WE DON'T CHARGE FOR RESIDENTIAL TO THE TOWN.
NOW IF, UH, YOU, UM, LIKE SAY BLUE RIDGE SHADOWS HAD A RESIDENTIAL COLLECTION AND IT WAS A REPUBLIC SERVICE, WE WOULD CHARGE THEM.
SO IN BLUE RIDGE SHADOWS MA'AM AND SOME OF THE OTHER PLACES, THEY PAY A FEE TO THE HAULER.
I MEAN, IF IT WAS COMMUNITY GROUP, JUST THE TOWNS, THE ONLY PERSON THAT WE HAVE, ANY KIND OF OTHER FORMAL AGREEMENT OR INFORMAL MOA, UM, ALL RIGHT.
AND, BUT JUST FOR, YES, SIR, FORMATION, UH, 5,800 TIMES 18 IS ABOUT $104,000.
WELL, HE SAID THAT THE 5,800 DOESN'T APPLY BECAUSE IT'S RESIDENTIAL.
WE DON'T CHARGE THEM ANYTHING ON THAT 5,800, BUT THE RESIDENTIALS IN TOWN DO PAY.
THEY PAY JUST LIKE BLUE RIDGE SHADOWS AND EVERYBODY ELSE.
THEY AREN'T CHARGED BY THE COUNTY.
SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE ONLY CHARGING FOR, LET ME BACK UP JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S CLEAR.
WE ONLY CHARGE FOR THE COMMERCIAL TONS, WHICH IS 416.54, AND THEN, AND THEN WE'RE AND WE REDUCED THAT RATE.
UM, ON THE OTHER SIDE, WE DO NOT CHARGE AT ALL TO THE TOWN.
W SIR, IF WE WERE TO CHARGE FOR THE TOWN, WHAT WOULD WE CHARGE THEM FOR THE COMMERCIAL? WELL, IT'S STILL GOTTA BE MOVED.
IT SHOULD BE, IF WE WERE GOING TO, I MEAN, IT WOULD BE $69 A TIME.
I MEAN, IF, IF WE WERE CHARGING THEM.
IT'S ON THE TOP OF THE, UM, YEAH.
SO ALL I WAS SAYING WAS, NO, SIR, YOU DON'T CHARGE THEM FOR THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE.
I WAS JUST SAYING ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE WERE BASICALLY SUBSIDIZING THAT RATE AND WE DISCUSSED THAT PREVIOUSLY.
WE JUST HAVEN'T TAKEN OFFICIAL, UM, THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE.
UM, HISTORICALLY WE HAVE NEVER CHARGED THEM BASICALLY BECAUSE TOWN RESIDENTS ARE COUNTING RESIDENTS.
SO IT WOULDN'T BE FAIR TO, TO CHARGE.
UM, BUT AS A TOWN RESIDENT, YOU'RE PAYING FOR YOUR TRASH TO BE PICKED UP.
SO IT'S A, A FEE FOR SERVICE PAY THE SURCHARGE.
OH REALLY? THAT'S ALWAYS GOING TO COME OUT OF HERE.
I WAS GOING TO SAY, YEAH, YOU CAN SIT HERE IF YOU WANT.
JUST MAKE SURE YOU HIT THE BUTTON AND GET THE GREEN LIGHT.
THAT WAS THE QUESTION I'VE ASKED SINCE I'VE CAME HERE, UM, IS HOW THE TOWN'S GENERATING THE REVENUE AND THE COUNTY IS EATING THE COST OF THE DISPOSAL.
THAT'S NEVER MADE A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE TO ME.
SO D DO YOU MIND IF I ASK HOW MUCH YOU PAID FOR TRASH PICKUP? I HAVE NO IDEA.
I DON'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
IT CHANGES EVERY MONTH REALLY WELL.
WHERE'S YOUR WATER IN SILVER BILL, RIGHT.
SO IT'S NOT A FLAT FEE OF $10 A MONTH OR A WEEK, OR I'LL BE HAPPY TO GET BACK WITH YOU ON THAT.
JUST INTEREST IN, YOU KNOW, CURIOSITY THERE ON MY PART, BUT THAT'S A VALID POINT.
I THINK YOU CAN PROBABLY LOOK AT THE BUDGET AND SEE HOW MUCH IS ALLOCATED TO THE TOWN'S BUDGET.
HOW MUCH IS ALLOCATED TO, OR HOW MUCH REVENUE THEY RECEIVE FROM TRASH PICKUP.
AND I ASSUME THAT'S A FEE THAT YOU HAVE NO CHOICE IN WHERE YOU SAY, I DON'T
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WANT YOU TO PICK MY TRASH UP.UM, THE NEXT SLIDE, JUST, I WAS JUST GIVING YOU A, UH, JUST A PICTURE OF THE SITES, UM, YOU KNOW, HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT IT KIND OF WENT ALONG WITH THE WASTE AND THE WASTE ACTIVITY, YOU KNOW, OUR COOLEY SITE 333, UM, THAT IS IF THAT'S HOW MANY COMPACTOR POOLS WE HAD IN THE YEAR 2020.
SO, UM, YOU CAN SEE, UM, THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF ACTIVITY HAPPENING OUT THERE IN COMPARISON TO THE OTHERS.
YOU KNOW, LINDEN'S GONNA TYPICALLY BE NUMBER TWO AND THEN, UM, YOUR ROCKLEDGE SITE AND, AND SHANTA FARMS BEING LAST, THE OPEN TOPS OF THE TRANSFER STATION, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT HOLDING AS MUCH WAY, BUT YOU, 1000, 247 OF THEM PULLED, UM, THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
SO WE DO GET A LOT IN THAT, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY LOCATION WE HAVE TO TAKE THE BULK MATERIALS.
SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE KEGGER, AS WE DISCUSS WHAT TO DO THERE, THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE WE CAN TAKE THAT BULK MATERIAL.
UM, SO RESIDENTS HAVE TO TAKE IT THERE.
UM, SO THAT'S JUST INFORMATIONAL AND, UM, JUST, JUST FYI, THE, YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENTIAL TONNAGE I MENTIONED EARLIER IS OVER 50% OF WASTE RECEIVED.
AND I JUST GAVE YOU A LITTLE PICTURE OF WARREN COUNTY CONVENIENCE SITES AND IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROW, RESIDENTIAL TO KIND OF GIVE YOU WHERE I WAS GETTING THAT, UM, 51% FOR THIS YEAR, UH, OR FOR 2020, I KEEP RECORDS BOTH WAYS, BOTH PHYSICAL YEAR AND FISCAL YEAR.
I THOUGHT HAVING A FULL YEAR WOULD BE GOOD, ESPECIALLY WITH, YOU KNOW, THE COVID ACTIVITY TO SEE WHAT WAS HAPPENING AND, AND THROUGHOUT HISTORY WHO, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU'VE SEEN THAT CHART FOR THE LAST EIGHT YEARS, BUT, UM, UM, I DEFINITELY THINK WE'RE, UH, WE'VE BEEN CONTINUING TO TREND UP AND, YOU KNOW, THE LAST COUPLE MONTHS, UM, ARE DOWN A BIT, BUT FROM LAST YEAR, BUT OVERALL, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE TRENDING UPWARD, UPWARD, UPWARD.
SO WE DO NEED TO GET A HANDLE.
THE COOLEY SITE IS OVER CAPACITY ALREADY.
THAT'S SOMETHING I'VE TALKED ABOUT.
UM, WE NEED TO BE REALLY LOOKING AT WHAT WE DO CAPITAL, UM, AS A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT, OR JUST LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO MOVE THE FACILITY OR IMPROVE.
AND THAT'S ALL I GOT ON THE SLIDES.
UM, YOU KNOW, I CAN, AND JUST ME AND KEITH ME IN A LITTLE BIT AND, YOU KNOW, REVIEWING THE REVENUES, UM, WE ARE UP IN REVENUE ALSO, SO THAT'S A GOOD THING.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, I'M HOPING TO EXCEED OUR REVENUE PROJECTION BY A MILLION THIS YEAR ALSO.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL DO THAT NEXT YEAR.
UM, BUT THE ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION HAS HELPED US AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S LOOKING VERY GOOD.
SO I THINK THAT SHOULD, THAT SHOULD HELP US OFFSET SOME OF THE EXTRA COSTS WE'VE HAD.
WELL, I'M A BIT SURPRISED WITH COVID THAT COMMERCIAL IS SO CLOSE TO, UM, RESIDENTIAL, I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT KIND OF GOES TO SHOW SOMEBODY, SOMEBODY DOING SOMETHING IN THE COMMERCIALS AND IN THERE THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
USUALLY WE'VE TYPICALLY BEEN A LITTLE HIGHER ON RESIDENTIAL, LIKE SOMETIMES 50
COME SOME FROM THE CONSTRUCTION, BOOM THAT CONSTRUCTION'S PICKING BACK UP AND A LOT OF THE COMMERCIAL WITH, UM, CONSTRUCTION MATERIAL.
ANYTHING FROM YOU THAT WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF, THAT, THAT WE AREN'T AWARE OF.
I'VE EXTENDED MY THANKS AND MY GRATITUDE TO BUTLER FOR HIS SUPPORT.
UM, IN THE PAST, WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT.
UM, SO IT IS NICE TO HAVE THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT WORKING WITH US AND EXTENDING THEIR SUPPORT AND HELPING US, YOU KNOW, ENFORCE, UM, THE ILLEGAL DUMPING.
IT'S AN ASSHOLE FOR EVERYBODY.
I'M OCD, MIKE, AND TELL YOU THAT I SAID IT AT HOME AND WORRY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THESE SITES LOOK LIKE.
IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S OUT THERE AND I DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.
I MEAN, I'M JUST LOOKING FOR AN ISSUE OR A WAY TO FIX THE ISSUE, BUT, UM, AND IT'S LIKE LARGE LOADS.
I WAS TALKING TO YOU THIS WEEK WITH, AT ON SUNDAYS.
UM, WE HAVE BEEN ACCEPTING THEM FOR THE GENERAL PURPOSE OF, YOU KNOW, THE HARASSMENT AND THE, UM, THREATS THAT MY SITE ATTENDANCE GET.
I MEAN, WHEN, ONCE THEY TELL THEM THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T DISPOSE OF THIS AND YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK TOMORROW.
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YOU KNEW THEY GET HARASSED OR THREATENED.I MEAN LIKE, UM, ROBBIE SEAL SAID, IF YOU LOOK AT THE AGE OF OUR STAFF, YOU CAN'T, WE DON'T HAVE TICKET BOOKS.
AND THAT'S WHAT I TELL THESE, MY ASIDE ATTENDANCE DO NOT GET IN A CONFRONTATION WITH THESE GUYS.
IT'S NOT WORTH IT AT THE END OF THE DAY.
NO, AND I, I DON'T WANT ANYONE, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T WANT ANYONE VERBALLY THREATENED, BUT I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT ANYBODY PHYSICALLY THREATENED AS WELL.
AND SOME OF MY SIDE ATTENDANT SAYS HAD HIM THREATS, BUT LIKE I SAID, I MEAN, I DEFINITELY WANT TO, IT'S BEEN MY THANKS AND GRAVITATE TO THE BOARD AND THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT FOR THE SUPPORT THAT WE'RE GETTING.
I THINK A $2,500 FINE MIGHT GET THE MESSAGE ACROSS.
AT LEAST I DON'T, I DON'T, I WANT TO BE FAIR TO EVERYBODY.
AND I WANT TO, AND I TELL ALL MY SIDE ATTENDANCE, YOU KNOW, WE, THE REASON WE'RE HERE IS FOR US, THE CITIZENS IN WARREN COUNTY.
I MEAN, THAT'S THE REASON WE HAVE A JOB AND WE WANT TO WORK FOR THEM, BUT I MEAN, RIGHT.
SO YES, AND WE APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THEY DO.
THAT'S, THAT'S, UM, NOT AN EASY JOB THAT'S FOR CERTAIN.
AND WHEN PEOPLE MAKE IT DIFFICULT BY NOT BEING AGREEABLE, UM, YOU'RE JUST THERE'S RULES.
SO, BUT, UH, THANK YOU AND THANK YOUR STAFF FOR WHAT THEY DO.
IT'S SO I KNOW IT'S OVERWHELMING, UH, AND THEN TURNING PEOPLE AWAY BECAUSE EVERYTHING'S FULL, DOESN'T WIN YOU ANY FRIENDS THERE EITHER, UNFORTUNATELY.
SO, BUT YOU CAN ONLY DO WHAT YOU CAN DO.
I WOULD RATHER TURN THE PEOPLE AWAY.
THAT'S TRYING TO DUMP ILLEGALLY AND BE ABLE TO TAKE THE ONES THAT'S DOING IT RIGHT.
THEN HAVE TO TURN THE ONES AWAY.
BECAUSE THE ONES ILLEGALLY DUMPED AND WE DON'T HAVE SPACE FOR IT.
I AGREE WITH YOU THERE, BUT WE'LL KEEP WORKING ON IT AS A TEAM TO FIGURE THIS OUT.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING ON THIS ONE? UM, IF NOT, WE'LL GO ON TO BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, ADVANCED TOPIC.
UM, CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION REAL QUICK BEFORE Y'ALL WALK AWAY ON YOUR PAGE 32? WHAT IS THE UNCLASSIFIED, WHICH IS THE 58 99.
OH, THAT'S AN INCREASE AT 12% 42 DOWN NEAR THE BOTTOM, I THINK.
IT'S LIKE THIRD OR FOURTH, FIVE FROM THE BOTTOM.
AND IT ACTUALLY DROPS A LITTLE BIT, SIR.
IT ACTUALLY DROPS A LITTLE BIT.
DOESN'T IT GO FROM 50,000 TO A 48? YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT.
IT GOES FROM 17, FIVE TO 16 IF I'VE GOT IT ON THE RIGHT LINE.
SO THAT COULD BE, I MEAN, THAT COULD BE ANY KIND OF WAY.
I WENT ALL THE WAY BACK TOOLS, EQUIPMENT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE COULD HAVE A RENTAL PIECE OF EQUIPMENT IN THERE.
UM, DEPENDING ON WHAT'S GOING ON, WE HAD, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL PIECES OF RENTAL EQUIPMENT.
WE HAD A LOADER DOWN, UM, IN SOME OF THE, AND I THINK THE OTHER BUDGETS, THIS ONE, WE DON'T HAVE A JOHNNY BLUE, BUT ON THE OTHER SITES, UH, 58 99 INCLUDES THE JOHNNY BLUE.
IT CAN INCLUDE ANY OTHER KIND OF FEES, UM, THAT WE MIGHT HAVE.
UM, THAT'S NOT SPECIFIC TO LIKE HAULING, IT MIGHT BE BUYING, UH, JUST SIMPLY BUYING BOLTS MATERIALS, BUYING, PUSH BROOMS FOR THE MEN TO CLEAN UP.
IF THEY GET INTO, YOU KNOW, THEY USE LEAF BLOWERS ON THE SITE OUT THERE.
UM, NO, I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT ONE OF THE QUESTIONS OR ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE HAD BEEN MAKING, THAT THERE WAS NOT GOING TO BE ANY UNCLASSIFIED STUFF OR IF WE NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING YEAH.
CLASSIFIED, JUST KIND OF ALL RIGHT.
SO IN GENERAL POLICY NEXT YEAR, THAT LINE ITEM WILL GO AWAY FOR ALL BUDGETS.
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ALL RIGHT.UM, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, ADVANCED TOPICS AND TOWN COUNTY LIAISON COMMITTEE AGENDA ITEMS.
[G. Discussion – Board of Supervisors Advance Topics and Town/County Liaison Committee Agenda Items]
SO YOU HAVE A, UM, YOU HAVE A COPY OF THE DRAFT AGENDA FOR THE TOWN COUNTY LIAISON MEETING ON APRIL 29TH.AND WE HAVE, IS THERE A DATE, UH, FOR THE TOWN COUNTY, UM, A JOINT MEETING MRS. SHIRAKI RECEIVED CONFIRMATION FROM THE TOWN REGARDING THAT? NO, I THINK THEY'RE LOOKING AT MID MAY, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN A DATE EITHER THAT WAY.
WE'LL HAVE A JOINT JOINT MEETING WITH THE TOWN COUNCIL.
SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR TOPICS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE.
IT'S GOING TO BE A VERY INFORMAL AGENDA, BUT THERE WILL BE SOME TOPICAL AREAS OF THINGS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO DISCUSS.
AND THEN, UH, PROBABLY ABOUT THE THIRD WEEK OF MAY, WE'VE MOVED OUR, UM, ADVANCED TO THE FUTURE BECAUSE OF ALL THE THINGS YOU HAVE THIS WEEK AND NEXT WEEK.
AND IF YOU HAVE TOPICS FOR THAT IN MAY, PLEASE LET US KNOW.
YOU CAN SEND THEM TO ME OR TO MRS. SHIRAKI WHEN YOU THINK OF THEM NOW, UM, THE TOWN, THE TOWN AND COUNTY LIAISON MEETING IS NOT THURSDAY, APRIL 29TH.
HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE COUNTY ADVANCE.
I UNDERSTOOD BOTH OF THOSE, BUT I THOUGHT THAT THERE WASN'T A DATE PICKED FOR THE TALON COUNTY, UM, COMMITTEE MEETING FROM OFF OF THE AGENDA, BUT THERE IS SO FINE.
UM, AND AS FAR AS THE FOUR TO SUPERVISORS ADVANCE, WE POSTPONED IT BECAUSE WE HAD SO MUCH THIS WEEK AND WE HAVEN'T SET A DATE TO DO THAT AS WELL.
SO, UM, BE NICE TO HAVE TO KNOW WHEN WE'RE MEETING WITH DOING THE ONE WITH THE TOWN.
SO WE DON'T PICK THE SAME DATES AND HAVE TO SWITCH EVERYTHING AROUND AGAIN.
UM, SO AS SOON AS THEY GET THAT, I THINK WE CAN GO MOVE ON WITH THAT WHEN WHO'S IN YOUR ROTATION.
I THINK IT WOULD BE MRS. OATES.
AND THEN I WOULD READ NEXT, YOU WENT LAST TIME.
BASED ON THIS AGENDA, YOU'VE GOT IT AS BUILDING INSPECTION SOFTWARE AND THEN WARREN COUNTY FRONT ROYAL PROJECTS.
UM, AND THE TOWN COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS THERE, BUT THE COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS NOT.
SO I WOULD PROBABLY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED IS THAT THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLANS COULD PERHAPS BE MORE INTEGRATED AND HAVE THE SAME GOALS.
UM, BUT WE'VE NEVER DISCUSSED THAT BEFORE.
SO, UH, PERHAPS THAT MIGHT BE AN AGENDA ITEM TO ADD SIMILAR TO JOINT TOURISM THAT WORKING ON THOSE, YOU KNOW, COOPERATIVELY TO BLEND THEM SOMETHING IN ADDITION TO NUMBER FIVE.
UM, WELL, I THINK IT WOULD BE IN A, UH, ANOTHER, UH, BULLET POINT TO NUMBER THREE.
DON'T YOU THINK JOINT VISION BETWEEN TOWN COUNTY FOR THE COMMUNITY TO ADD, UM, THE PLANNING PART TO THAT? WELL, THAT NUMBER THREE IS TALKING ABOUT THE JOINT MEETING BETWEEN THE TOWN AND THE COUNCIL.
SO BEEN IF WE COULD MOVE, OH, WELL, OPEN DISCUSSION COULD GO TO NUMBER EIGHT AND MAKE NUMBER SEVEN.
UM, PLANNING, JOINT PLANNING, COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING.
WELL, I WAS GOING TO MOVE IT UP HERE WITH THE TOWN COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS WHAT I THOUGHT THE COUNTY.
PERHAPS WE GET PUT TOWN COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND YOU KNOW HOW THE TWO CAN BE HEADED IN THE SAME DIRECTION.
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YEP.SLED SLASH LIKE WE DID DOWN AT THE BOTTOM.
DO YOU THINK OF OTHER THINGS, SEND THEM TO US AND WE'LL GET THEM ADDED THERE.
AND DID WE WANT TO DISCUSS, OR HOLD OFF ON THAT AS FAR AS TOPICS FOR ART DANCE, IF YOU HAVE TOPICS THAT YOU WANT TO DISCUSS, NOW, YOU, WE COULD, OR YOU CAN JUST SEND THEM TO US EITHER WAY.
CAUSE THAT'S ABOUT A MONTH AWAY.
WE FILLED THEM OUT AND SUBMITTED THEM, BUT WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY DISCUSS THE GOALS OR PRIORITIZE THEM WELL OR CLICK ANY OFF LIKE COUNTY, DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
I BELIEVE EMILY MADE PUT A LINE THROUGH THAT.
AND DID WE GET ALL FOUR, UM, GOAL SHEETS? I TURNED MINE IN.
I TURNED MINE IN, TURNED MINE IN.
I'M NOT SURE BACK THERE IN MIND.
CAUSE I THINK YOU GAVE IT TO ME.
I'M THINKING YOU AND I WERE THE FIRST ONE.
WE GOT OUR HOMEWORK DONE FAST.
I MIGHT'VE FAILED TO GIVE IT TO MRS. SHIRAKI, BUT I THINK, OKAY.
IS THERE ANY THING ELSE THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS THAT WE HAVEN'T? IF NOT.
I WAS JUST GOING TO MENTION, AND WA HAD SENT AN EMAIL TO ME ABOUT THIS TODAY.
AND ARE WE GOING TO DO A RESOLUTION FOR THE RAIL TRAIL AS PER REQUESTED BY DR.
HINMAN AND HIS GROUP? UH, AND IF SO, WE PROBABLY SHOULD PUT THAT ON AN AGENDA IN THE NEAR FUTURE DOCTOR DR.
DALEY SENT ME THAT RESOLUTION AND IT IS ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT TIME.
SO WE WILL BE AT THAT PART OF IT.
AND I KNOW YOU WOULD ASK ABOUT THE MONEY FOR IT, BUT AT THIS POINT, NO MONEY IS REQUIRED FROM THE CAMP.
THAT'S THE WAY THAT I UNDERSTAND IT, BUT THAT IF YOU DO THE RESOLUTION, THERE'S AN EXPECTATION AT SOME POINT IN TIME, POSSIBLY.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THAT POTENTIAL IS, BECAUSE IF IT'S BEYOND US, WE NEED TO KNOW IT NOW.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE DO KNOW IT NOW, BECAUSE AT THIS POINT THEY'RE STILL TRYING TO NEGOTIATE WITH NORFOLK SOUTHERN.
THERE'S A LOT OF FUNDS THAT ARE BEING, UH, FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO NOBODY REALLY KNOWS WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE AT THIS POINT.
IT'S, IT'S A VISION RIGHT NOW.
AND SHOULD THAT VISION HAPPEN? UM, YOU KNOW, IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, WHICH I THINK DR.
HENNEMAN WOULD LOVE SO HE COULD RIDE THE TRAIL, BUT IT CERTAINLY PLAYS INTO OUR TOURISM.
I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL LOOKING AT DOLLARS RIGHT NOW.
I JUST HAPPENED TO BE IN THAT BUDGET CYCLE.
YOU KNOW, I, I THINK IT'S, I LOOK AT IT AS SIMILAR TO AN LOI THAT WE'RE TELLING THEM WE'RE INTERESTED IN.
AND THEN ONCE WE SEE IT ALL, WE CAN FIGURE OUT IF WE CAN AFFORD OUR INTEREST.
WELL, I THINK WE SAY WE SUPPORT THE VISION AND THE DEVIL'S IN THE DETAILS AND WE'LL WAIT TO SEE WHAT THOSE ARE.
WE'RE JUST, WE'RE SUPPORTING THE VISION, AS YOU SAY, MA'AM AND, UH, WE'LL SEE WHAT FUNDING BECOMES AVAILABLE AND WHAT THE RAILROADS PROPOSED TO DO, ET CETERA, IN THE FUTURE.
AND WHETHER THERE'S ANY LOCAL FUNDING REQUIRED IN ANY POINT, WE ADDRESS THAT WHEN IT COMES TIME TO REACH THAT BRIDGE.
WELL, I I'VE WALKED THE
UM, STEVE AND I WALKED THAT LAST WEEK AND YOU KNOW, I LIVE OUT IN THE COUNTRY AND IN A BEAUTIFUL AREA AND THOUGHT I'D RIGHT ALONG THE RIVER AS WELL.
BUT THAT PATH IS, IS REALLY A NICE PATH.
UM, DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO GO ALL THE WAY AROUND SKYLINE AND MAKE THE LOOP TOTALLY BACK.
IT, UM, IN THE DIDN'T GO IN THE DOG PARK, BUT, UM, IT IS, IT'S REALLY
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NICE THERE.AND A LOT OF NICE PEOPLE WERE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF IT.
SO I'M THINKING THAT THAT'S A SMALL SCALE TO WHAT THE RAIL TRAIL COULD BE.
UM, WELL YOU COULD GET ON THE TRAIL THERE.
I CAN GET OFF OVER ON KENDRICK LANE.
MY WIFE WORKS, WALKS THAT TRAIL A LOT EVERY MORNING, SO.
UM, IF WE'RE DONE, I GUESS WE NEED A MOTION TO ADJOURN.