May 11, 2021 Board of Supervisors Work Session

, WOULD YOU READ US INTO THE NEXT CLOSED SESSION PLEASE? EDA MAKING SURE I MOVED THE BOARD ENTER INTO A CLOSED MEETING UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF SECTIONS TWO DOT TWO DASH.

AND MS.

[C. Joint Meeting with EDA (Part 1 of 2)]

I THINK WE HAVE TO CONVENE THE EDA FIRST.

OH, THEN YOU CAN CONVENIENT, RIGHT? OKAY, GREAT.

YES, WE'RE GOING FIRST THEN YOU GUYS.

UM, I MOVED THE BOARD ENTER INTO A CLOSED MEETING UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF SECTIONS TWO DOT TWO DASH THREE SEVEN ONE ONE EIGHT SEVEN AND EIGHT OF THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT FOR CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL PERTAINING TO ACTUAL OR PROBABLE LITIGATION AND THE PROVISION OF LEGAL ADVICE REGARDING THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT OF 40 OF THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL AND THE COUNTY OF WARREN, VIRGINIA, THE EDA, THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, THE EDA VERSUS JENNIFER MACDONALD AT ALL THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL VERSUS THE EDA AT ALL THE EDA VERSUS THE TOWN OF FORT ROYAL AND OTHER POTENTIAL CLAIMS THE LITIGATION RELATING TO OTHER POSSIBLE LIABILITIES OF THE EDA, OUR RECOVERY OF EDA FUNDS AND ASSETS.

IS THERE A SECOND? WELL, HOME IS A STAR MR. FOX, MR. MAYOR, MADAM CHAIR, MRS. OATS.

NOW IN CLOSED SESSION.

IF YOU WANT TO READ US OUT OF CLOSED SESSION, I APPRECIATE THAT.

I MOVE THAT THE BOARD CERTIFIES TO THE BEST OF EACH MEMBER'S KNOWLEDGE ONLY PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS LAWFULLY EXEMPTED FROM OPEN MEETING REQUIREMENTS UNDER SECTIONS TWO DOT TWO DASH THREE SEVEN ONE ONE EIGHT SEVEN AND EIGHT OF THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT AND ONLY SUCH PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS AS WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION BY WHICH THE CLOSED MEETING WAS CONVENED OR HEARD, DISCUSSED, OR CONSIDERED IN THE MEETING BY THE PUBLIC BY SERVICES.

ROLL CALL MRS. STAR, MR. FOX, MR. MABE, MADAM CHAIR, MRS. OATS.

ORDINANCE TO AMEND AND REORDER DANE WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION ONE 72 DASH 37, TWO ARI OTHER EXEMPTIONS FOR LICENSED DECALS OR STICKERS.

ITEM D

[D. Ordinance to Amend and Re-Ordain Warren County Code Section 172-37.2 re: Other Exemptions for License Decals or Stickers - Caitlin Jordan]

UM, MRS. GEORGE.

SO BACK IN 2018, THE COUNTY ADOPTED THIS ORDINANCE THAT PROVIDED FOR SPECIFIC EXEMPTIONS FOR VEHICLES, UM, FROM OUR LOCAL LICENSED TAX, WHICH IS AN ANNUAL TAX THAT WE CHARGE EVERY YEAR FOR VEHICLES WITHIN THE COUNTY.

THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THAT IT'S LISTED AS AN EXEMPTION, UM, IN OUR ORDINANCE.

HOWEVER, CODE SECTION 42 POINT, SORRY.

UM, THE STATE CODE SECTION 46.2 DASH SEVEN 52, ACTUALLY LIST OUT 20 SPECIFIC EXEMPTIONS THAT A LOCALITY CAN PROVIDE AN ORDINANCE AND EXEMPT FROM THE LOCAL TAXATION.

UM, THE ONLY ONE THAT IS CURRENTLY LISTED IN OUR CODE THAT IS ALSO LISTED IN THE STATE CODE IS THE EXEMPTION FOR DISABLED VETERANS.

UNFORTUNATELY, THE STATE LEGISLATURE DID NOT INCLUDE THE EXEMPTION FOR RECIPIENTS OF THE PURPLE HEART RECIPIENTS OF THE MEDAL OF HONOR OR PRISONER OF WAR OR THE VIRGINIA NATIONAL GUARD OR FOR, UM, ANTIQUE VEHICLES.

THEREFORE, UM, THE MAJORITY OF OUR CURRENT CODE SECTION ONE 72 DASH 37.2, UM, WE NEED TO AMEND THAT, REMOVE THOSE EXEMPTIONS BECAUSE IT'S NOT PERMISSIBLE.

WE DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY FROM THE STATE LEGISLATURE TO ACTUALLY PROVIDE THOSE EXEMPTIONS.

UM, HOWEVER, IN READING 46.2 DASH SEVEN 52, THE LEGISLATURE DOES REQUIRE LOCALITIES, UM, OR PROHIBITS LOCALITIES FROM CHARGING A LICENSED TAX FEED THAT IS GREATER THAN

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THE COMMONWEALTH FOR ANY PARTICULAR MOTOR VEHICLE SEMI TRAILER TRAILER, THAT SORT OF THING.

AND THERE ARE EXEMPTIONS, OR THERE ARE, UM, SPECIAL LICENSE PLATES FEES THAT THE COMMONWEALTH EXEMPTS, UM, PEOPLE FROM HAVING TO PAY THE FEE.

AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE RECIPIENTS OF, UM, PURPLE HEART MEDAL OF HONOR, AS WELL AS PRISONERS OF WAR.

HOWEVER, IT'S NOT AN EXCEPTION.

SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT I'M GOING TO LOOK INTO AT THIS POINT IS CREATING MORE OF A GENERAL PROVISION WITHIN OUR LICENSED TAX ORDINANCE THAT DOES ACCOUNT FOR THOSE SPECIAL LICENSE PLATE FEES SO THAT OUR TREASURER CAN ESSENTIALLY WAIVE THOSE FEES.

IF A PERSON HAS, UM, WAS ALSO WAIVED THE FEE FOR THEIR LICENSE PLATE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE, ESSENTIALLY THE, THE INTENT OF OUR CODE IS CORRECT.

IT'S JUST NOT, UM, THE ORDINANCE NEEDS TO BE REARRANGED.

SO WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE STATE CODE.

IF THAT MAKES SENSE, YOU WILL STILL BE ABLE TO GIVE THESE INDIVIDUALS A D WE WON'T CALL IT AN EXEMPTION.

WE'LL CALL IT A DISCOUNT.

IS IT THE TERMINOLOGY THAT WE'RE MESSING WITH? IS IT ESSENTIALLY, I BELIEVE SO.

I'M STILL DOING A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH, BUT THE WAY THAT THE STATE CODE READS, I THINK THAT WE WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT BECAUSE IT IS, UM, IT IS MANDATED BECAUSE THE CODE USES SHALL NOT MAY.

SO WE SHALL NOT IMPOSE A TAX THAT'S GREATER THAN THE COMMONWEALTH.

AND SO IN THAT PROVIDED IN YOUR PACKETS, THE, UM, CODE SECTIONS THAT ARE THE STATE CODE SECTIONS THAT ARE REFERENCED IN OUR COUNTY CODE FOR EACH EXEMPTION THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.

SO 46.2 DASH SEVEN 42 IS A SPECIAL LICENSE PLATE FOR PERSONS WHO HAVE BEEN AWARDED THE PURPLE HEART.

IF SOMEONE SUBMITS AN APPLICATION TO THE COMMONWEALTH, THEY RECEIVED THAT LICENSE, THAT SPECIAL LICENSE PLATE.

THEN THE CODE SPECIFICALLY SAYS THEY WILL NOT BE CHARGED A FEE.

SO IF THAT PERSON LIVES IN WARREN COUNTY REGISTERS THEIR VEHICLE, AND THEN WE CHARGE, UM, THE $30 ANNUAL TAX ON THAT, THEN TECHNICALLY THAT IS GREATER THAN WHAT THE STATE CHARGED THEM FOR.

AND SO I DO BELIEVE THERE IS A WAY TO DO IT.

WE JUST HAVE TO USE THE, UM, WE JUST HAVE TO CHANGE THE WORDING AND MOVE IT IN A PARTICULAR PLACE SO WE CAN ACCOUNT FOR THOSE THINGS.

ADDITIONALLY, UM, THERE ARE ADDITIONAL EXEMPTIONS THAT I BELIEVE WE HAVE TO INCLUDE AT THIS POINT.

THERE IS ONE ANOTHER SPECIAL LICENSE PLATE FOR, UM, PERSONS AWARDED THE BRONZE STAR, THE BRONZE STAR WITH A V FOR VALOR OR THE SILVER SILVER STAR.

THAT'S CURRENTLY NOT INCLUDED IN OUR ORDINANCE, BUT THAT WOULD NEED TO BE INCLUDED.

UM, I'LL ALSO BELIEVE THERE'S A POSSIBLE EXEMPTION FOR PLATES AND DECALS FOR THE DEATH.

SO WHAT I'M LOOKING TO DO IS POSSIBLY DO A MORE GENERAL, UM, USE MORE GENERAL LANGUAGE TO COVER THE SPECIAL LICENSE PLATES AS THE STATE CODE CHANGES INCLUDES EITHER MORE GROUPS OF PEOPLE OR GETS RID OF THE ONES THAT THEY HAVE.

OUR ORDINANCE SHOULD COVER IT REGARDLESS, AND WE DON'T HAVE TO CONTINUE TO AMEND, UM, THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING TO DO, AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE THOSE AMENDMENTS BEFORE THIS WILL BE BROUGHT BEFORE YOU, BUT I DID WANT TO BRING IT ON THE WORK SESSION.

SO YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE LOOKING TO REMOVE THE EXEMPTIONS FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR, UM, FOR OUR MILITARY.

ONE THING I DO WANT TO POINT IS THERE, THERE, UM, AS I SAID, THE STATE CODE THAT ALLOWS US TO LEVY A LOCAL LICENSE TAX PROVIDES 20 SPECIFIC EXEMPTIONS.

WE HAVE THE DISABLED VETERANS AND THEY'RE UNREAD, MARRIED, SURVIVING SPOUSES, AND THOSE ARE PERMITTED.

THERE IS, UM, AS PARAGRAPH 19 AND I ALSO PROVIDED A COPY OF THE 46.2 DASH SEVEN 52.

THERE IS AN EXEMPTION FOR, UM, PARAGRAPH 19.

IT IS FOR ACTIVE MILITARY.

SO THAT IS ONE THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY INCLUDE IN THE ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE THE ONE 72 DASH 37.2, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO DO.

UM, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER, UM, POSSIBLE EXEMPTIONS THAT YOU CAN INCLUDE.

YOU DO NOT HAVE TO INCLUDE THOSE IT'S COMPLETELY DISCRETIONARY.

BEFORE YOU BRING IT UP? THE HOPE WAS TO HAVE IT ON MAY 18TH, BUT, UM, I REALLY JUST DISCOVERED SOME OF THIS TODAY, SO I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE I'D HAVE IT DONE, BUT IT WOULD DEFINITELY BE NO LATER THAN JEAN.

WHAT TYPE OF TIMEFRAME DO YOU THINK THAT YOU'RE GOING TO NEED

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UM, CAUSE I WANT TO MOVE ON THIS SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, BUT IT DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING.

SO IT WOULD BE, UM, WELL ACTUALLY, REGARDLESS, IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE AT THE END OF GENE FOR OUR NIGHT MEETING.

I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THE ADVERTISEMENT WILL BE ON MAY 18TH OR IF I'LL WAIT UNTIL THE BEGINNING OF GENE FOR THE FIRST MEETING.

IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I THINK WE'RE, I THINK WE'RE GOOD.

IS A CHESTER GAP COMPANY, NINE FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE CHIEF BROWN AND CHIEF CHIEF YOUR ON I WAS HERE.

ITEM E

[E. Chester Gap Updates - Chief Brown]

SO, UM, YOU GET TO GET IN THE HOT SEATS ARE OVER THERE.

YOU'RE OVER HERE GUYS.

AND IF THERE'S AN EXTRA TABLE HERE, IF WANT YEAH.

AND THERE'S, UM, ONE OF YOU CAN USE THIS ONE.

SO DO YOU WANT TO START OFF CHIEF ENSENO WITH, YES.

MA'AM.

I Y'ALL KNOW.

UH, SO CHIEF BROWN AND PRESIDENT WILLIAMS HERE TODAY TO SPEAK OF SOME COVERAGE YOU'RE HAVING SPECIFICALLY WITH, UH, UH, CAREER PERSONNEL AND VOLUNTEER PERSONNEL BASICALLY COVERS ON A 24, SEVEN BASIS AND IMPROVING UPON THAT, UM, I'M IN COMPLETE SUPPORT THIS, HOWEVER, THIS IS, UH, CHIEF BROWN'S BABY.

SO I WANT TO I'LL SPEAK WHEN IT'S TIME WE JUST START THERE.

WE, UH, OF COURSE, AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE STARTED PAID STAFFING LAST YEAR DUE TO COVID, UH, OUR VOLUNTEERS, WE, WE ENDED UP LOSING ALL OF OUR EMT EXCEPT FOR ONE PERSON.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO BE SITTING HERE A YEAR LATER SAYING THAT THAT'S NOT THE CASE, BUT IT IS STILL THE CASE.

UH, WE HAVE, UH, LOST ANOTHER EMT, UH, DUE TO NOT WANTING TO RUN CALLS DUE TO COVID.

UH, SO WHEN ALL THIS HAPPENED BACK A YEAR AGO, WE PUT IN PLACE, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, WARREN COUNTY IS PAYING HALF FOR ONE PERSON.

RAPPAHANNOCK IS PAYING HALF OF THE OTHER PERSON.

AND SO WE HAVE HAD 24 SEVEN COVERAGE AT JESTER GAP SINCE MARCH OF LAST YEAR.

UH, WARREN COUNTY HAS LIKE SAY PICKED UP HALF OF THAT EXPENSE.

UH, IT'S WORKED VERY WELL.

UH, IT'S BEEN A VERY GOOD PROGRAM.

UH, WE ARE MANAGING THESE PEOPLE OURSELVES.

WE DO ALL THE SCHEDULING.

I TAKE CARE OF ALL THE PAYROLL.

UH, WE DO, UH, WE DO KEEP WORKMAN'S COMP ON THEM.

SO WE HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAY, MANAGING IT AND DOING IT.

THE PROGRAM HAS REALLY WORKED WELL.

UH, NOW WE'RE AT THE POINT TO WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF COMING BACK UNDER WARREN COUNTY, UH, AS WE WERE FOR, FOR OVER 40 YEARS, UH, AND TRANSITIONING BACK OUR EMS, UH, BACK TO UNDER LORD FAIRFAX AND WARREN COUNTY.

UH, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A COUPLE OF PARAMEDICS THAT ARE EMPLOYED BY ADJUSTER GAP AS ONE OF THE PAID PEOPLE.

AND WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF UPGRADING OUR AMBULANCE BACK TO A MEDIC UNIT.

UH, SO THEREFORE WE WILL BE BETTER TO, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE ALS SERVICE TO, TO WARREN COUNTY.

AND SO WE'RE NOW FACED WITH THE, THE CHALLENGE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE, WHEN WE DO THIS IN ORDER TO HAVE THE UNIT STAFFED AS A MEDIC UNIT, WE HAVE TO HAVE TWO PEOPLE ON BOARD.

UH, WE HAVE TO HAVE AN EMT TO SUPPORT THAT MEDIC BY STATE REGULATIONS.

WE CANNOT, YOU KNOW, RUN IT AS A UNIT UNLESS WE HAVE A SECOND PERSON AS AN EMT.

UH, SO THAT KIND OF PUT US IN A PREDICAMENT WHERE NOW WE NEED TO EMPLOY TWO PEOPLE, UH,

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INSTEAD OF JUST ONE.

SO WE HAVE, UH, WE'VE MET AND WE'VE TRYING TO PASS IT TO WHERE WE WANT WARREN COUNTY TO PAY FOR ONE WHOLE PERSON, INSTEAD OF LIKE WE'RE DOING NOW.

AND WE'RE HOPING THAT RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY WILL FOLLOW SUIT AND PAY FOR A FULL WHOLE PERSON, SO THAT THEN WE WILL HAVE TWO PEOPLE STAFFED AT JESTER GAP 24 SEVEN, UH, OUR CALL VOLUME, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST IN THE PAST, UH, THREE MONTHS, UH, I THINK WE'VE RUN 62% OF OUR CALLS ARE IN WARREN COUNTY.

UH, LAST YEAR, UH, WE HAD OVER 67% OF OUR CALLS WERE IN WARREN COUNTY.

UH, SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE KIND OF FACED THE CHALLENGE WITH RAPPAHANNOCK.

WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU RUN TWICE AS MANY CALLS IN WARREN AS YOU DO RAPPAHANNOCK, BUT WE'RE HOPING THAT THEY WILL COME ON BOARD AND, YOU KNOW, SUPPORT THIS IF, IF Y'ALL SEE FIT TO SUPPORT IT.

UH, WE, UH, IT'S JUST RIGHT NOW THAT WE, I HAVE FIVE RUNNING VOLUNTEERS AND ONLY ONE OF THOSE IS AN EMT AND HE IS ONLY AVAILABLE.

HE HE'S A FIREFIGHTER.

I WORKED FOR DUMFRIES TRIANGLE IN PRINCE WILLIAM, AND HE LEAVES ON MONDAY.

HE STAYS MONDAY NIGHT, TUESDAY, HE COMES HOME ON A WEDNESDAY MORNING.

HE LEAVES AGAIN ON THURSDAY.

HE DON'T RETURN UNTIL SATURDAY MORNING.

SO THAT IS HIS SHIFT.

AND SO WE ONLY HAVE ONE, ONE EMT AND FOR ONLY TWO DAYS.

SO IT DOES MAKE IT CHALLENGING, UH, THIS PROGRAM THAT YOU ALL HAVE SUPPORTED.

AND I REALLY DO APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT IN THIS PROGRAM.

UH, BUT THE PROGRAM HAS REALLY WORKED WELL.

UH, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE DOING IT AS A PART-TIME POSITION.

SO, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY'S NOT BURDENED WITH BENEFITS AND WE'RE, WE'RE TAKING CARE OF THE UNIFORMS WE'RE TAKING CARE OF THE WORKMAN'S COMP.

WE'RE DOING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE BASICALLY DOING IT ALL.

UH, SO WE'RE, WE'RE JUST HOPING THAT, UH, I THINK MAYBE DR.

DALEY HAS SOME, SOME NUMBERS.

I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBERS THAT WE, UH, WE DISCUSSED, BUT CAUSE WE DISCUSSED SEVERAL, BUT, UH, I JUST WOULD HOPE THAT, UH, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AND CONTINUE THE PROGRAM BECAUSE IT IS, IT IS A, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, UH, TWO BIG SUBDIVISIONS IN WARREN CANDIDATE.

WE SERVE.

AND IF, IF THIS PROGRAM, ONCE WE GET THE MEDIC UNIT APPROVED AND GET EVERYTHING AND IT'S, IT'S ONGOING, UH, ONCE ALL THAT'S DONE, I'M HOPING TO HAVE IT DONE BY MID JUNE.

THE CHIEF CAN ATTEST TO THAT.

UH, IT WILL HELP ONCE WHEN THAT UNIT IS STAFFED AS A MEDIC UNIT, IT'S GOING TO TAKE A BIG BURDEN OFF OF FRONT ROW FIRE DEPARTMENT, UH, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE HAVING TO RUN THE MEDIC UNIT, YOU KNOW, TO GESTURE GAP AND TO POINT A WOODS LIKE FRONT ROW HARMONY, HOLLA, UH, WE CAN SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, THIS END OF TOWN WHEN, WHEN THEIR MEDIC UNIT TO START UP.

SO IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S DEFINITELY A WIN-WIN IT REALLY IS.

IT WOULD BE A REAL, LIKE SAY THE PROGRAM HAS WORKED VERY WELL.

AND I, I JUST WANT TO THANK Y'ALL FOR, YOU KNOW, SUPPORTING IT OVER THE PAST PAST YEAR OR SO.

SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO PAY WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS TO PEOPLE FOR 24 SEVEN.

WOULD THEY BE MAKING CARS IN RAPPAHANNOCK AS WELL? IT'S ONE, YES.

THAT'S LIKE I SAY, WE RUN 67% OF OUR CALLS IN WARREN COUNTY, SO, OKAY.

SO JUST A POINT OF DISTINCTION.

UM, BUT SHE BROWN AND I MET WHEN I FIRST CAME ON BOARD AND, UM, ABSENT THAT DECISION POINT WE MAKE TODAY.

UM, WE FOUND IT VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE UPGRADED THE ANIMALS TO A 200 ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT UNIT, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF NUMBERS TO SUPPORT, WHICH HE BROWN IS SAYING.

AND I AGREE, UM, TWO THIRDS OF THE CALL ARE COMING INTO OUR JURISDICTION, UM, AND OF THAT TWO THIRDS, BUT 81, 82% IS EMS. SO JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE CONTEXT AS TO WHAT THEY'RE RUNNING AND REGARDLESS OF WHAT, UM, BOUNDARY BE IT RAPPAHANNOCK OR WARREN COUNTY, THE REALITY IS IT'S ABOUT SERVING THE CITIZEN BASE.

AND THE BEST WAY WE CAN DO THAT IS TO UPGRADE THAT UNIT.

SO ABSENT ANY MONEY, WE JUST MADE THE DECISION TO WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PERSONNEL OPERATED INTO HIS, HIS CONTINGENT OF PERSONNEL OR GROWN TO AN ALS OR A PARAMEDIC STATUS OR MORE FREQUENT.

AND THEN ALSO TO ENSURE THAT THEY FALL UNDER OUR MEDICAL DIRECTION, OUR LICENSING IT'S JUST SIMPLY MAKES SENSE.

THE LARGER PERCENTAGE OF THEIR CALL VOLUME IS INTO OUR JURISDICTION.

AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, REGARDLESS OF THE WE'RE MAKING A RIGHT OR LEFT OUT OF THE FIREHOUSE, IT'S JUST THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

WILL THERE STILL BE, UM, CONTRIBUTION FROM RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY UNDER THIS CURRENT SCENARIO OR NO? YEAH.

THEY WILL STILL RECEIVE, YOU KNOW, GENERAL OPERATING EXPENSES THROUGH RAPPAHANNOCK.

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AND WHICH IN THAT, THAT VARIES TOO.

IT VARIES YEAR TO YEAR, SO YEAH.

THROUGH WARREN, BUT THERE'S ONE DRUG THAT THEY DO NOT CARRY.

I THINK THE ONE THING WE USE A LOT OF ACRONYMS AND FOR PEOPLE THAT DON'T KNOW THOSE, UM, AN ALS IS ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT BLS IS BASIC.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS.

UM, SAY YOU GET A CARDIAC ARREST CALL YOU'RE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT PERSON FOR THAT.

SO YOU CAN DO CPR, BUT AS FAR AS ANYTHING ELSE THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, UM, YOU HAVE TO BASICALLY WAIT FOR THAT ALS PERSON TO COME THERE.

SO HAVING THEM UP AND GETTING THEM BACK UNDER LORD FAIRFAX, UM, THE RESCUE SQUADS ARE INTERCHANGEABLE.

THEY ALL ARE CONFIGURED WHERE EVERYTHING IS IN THE BOX.

ALL THE MEDICATIONS ARE THE SAME.

SO IF I'M AN ALS PROVIDER AND I GO THERE FROM COMPANY ONE OR COMPANY TO WHOEVER, THEN I CAN HOP RIGHT IN HIS AMBULANCE, TAKE OFF AND GO WE'RE CURRENTLY, THEY CAN'T DO THAT.

UM, SO IT'S, IT'S STREAMLINING THINGS.

AND, UH, I DON'T THINK PEOPLE REALIZE THAT, UM, YOU MAY CALLS AS FAR UP AS BROWNTOWN FREQUENTLY.

I THINK YOU WERE AT A HOUSE FIRE JUST THIS WEEKEND AT, UH, BROWNTOWN.

SO THE MUTUAL AID AND THE REGIONAL COOPERATION AND THE RELATIONSHIP WE BUILT WITH THEM RAPPAHANNOCK, IT'S A, IT'S A FINANCIAL AND A SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY.

WHEN FOR BOTH OF US, THEY, UM, THEY CURRENTLY ARE A COMPLETE VOLUNTEER SYSTEM.

SO THEY'RE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF HEARTBURN OVER THIS, BUT IT'S, IT'S BEEN A GOOD TOOL BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AS WE ALL KNOW, ACROSS THE NATION VOLUNTEER SYSTEMS ARE ALL STRUGGLING GREATLY.

SO THE COOPERATION AND THE DUAL SERVICE TEAMS THAT LIKE OUR COUNTY IS VOLUNTEER AND PAID.

UM, THE MORE WE CAN PROMOTE BOTH ENDS OF THAT IT'S THAT ALSO IS A WIN-WIN.

UM, SO I THINK THE MODEL THAT HAS BEEN CREATED THERE HAS BEEN AN ASSET TO BOTH OF OUR COUNTIES TO SHOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN HAVE REGIONAL COOPERATION AND WORKING TOGETHER.

WE CAN SOLVE A PROBLEM SUCH AS HOW THE STAFF TO, YOU KNOW, SUPPLY A SERVICE THAT HAVE HE, YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME WHEN SOMEBODY HAS A SEVERE INJURY.

I THINK YOU HAD A CHILD THAT YOU SAVED HER LIFE BECAUSE YOU WERE ABLE TO GET THERE THAT IT HAD, UH, WAS ATTACKED AND HAD A SEVERE HEAD INJURY.

SO, YOU KNOW, YEAH, IT'S, UH, YOU MAY HAVE SOME NUMBERS, BUT, UM, WE HAVE TO LOOK A LITTLE BIT BEYOND JUST NUMBERS AND, AND HOW WE, WE PROVIDE A SERVICE TO SAVE LIVES.

IT'S, IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY MADE A BIG IMPACT.

AND LIKE I SAY, WE WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL CALLS WE'VE HAD, UH, LIKE I SAY, WE HAD, UH, AN EIGHT YEAR OLD CHILD THAT WAS ATTACKED WITH A HAMMER.

AND THE, THE DOCTORS IN FAIRFAX SAID, YOU KNOW, IF THE PROVIDERS HAD NOT GOTTEN THERE AS QUICK AS THEY DID, AND IT WAS A JOINT EFFORT BETWEEN, I MEAN, OUR ARGUING, IT WAS THEIR FIRST, UH, THE MEDIC UNIT FROM, UH, RIVERMONT AND FROM FRONT ROYAL WAS THERE SHORTLY AFTER.

AND WE WORKED TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE ALWAYS HAVE.

AND, UH, THE, THE, THE DOCTOR SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS NOT FOR THAT QUICK RESPONSE, JOHN WOULD BE DEAD.

AND, YOU KNOW, SHE HAS MADE A REAL MIRACULOUS RECOVERY.

UH, SHE WAS VERY CLOSE TO, TO DEATH.

AND SO THAT THE, AND WE'VE HAD, WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF HEART ATTACKS, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, IF IT WAS NOT FOR THE QUICK RESPONSE, UM, IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN A GOOD OUTCOME BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, JUST FOR THE, FOR THE AREA WAS THAT, BUT, UH, JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE BEEN A PART OF WARREN COUNTY FOR 40 YEARS OR OVER 40 YEARS.

AND, UH, WE HAVE BEEN RECEIVING FUNDING FROM WARREN COUNTY FOR, FOR OVER 40 YEARS.

AND WE WERE UNDER, UH, WARREN COUNTY'S EMS AND, AND LORD FAIRFAX FOR, FOR AT LEAST 40 YEARS.

AND WHEN WE ENDED UP HAVING TO GO WITH REALMS, UH, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, IN FAUQUIER COUNTY, UH, WE FOLLOW THEM TO THEM.

WE HAVE ONE DRUG THAT WE HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY TO WARRANT AND TO PICK UP, WE NEGOTIATED WITH WAR MEMORIAL HOSPITAL TO DO OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR BLS DRUG EXCHANGES

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SO WE HAVE TO PHYSICALLY HAVE SOMEBODY DRIVE ALL THE WAY TO WARRANTING, JUST TO PICK UP ONE DRUG.

SO US COMING BACK UNDER WARREN COUNTY AND, UH, LORD FAIRFAX MAKE SO MUCH BETTER SINCE IT, IT BETTER EQUIPS THE AMBULANCE TO A MEDIC UNIT TO WHERE ANY MEDIC INTO COUNTY CAN JUMP IN THE BACK OF THAT UNIT, ALL THE EQUIPMENT'S THERE.

NOW, IF WE DO THAT, WE HAD A CALL LAST NIGHT.

UH, OUR UNIT WAS THERE FIRST.

WE HAD THE PATIENT LOADED.

THE MEDIC FROM FRONT ROYAL HAD TO PHYSICALLY CARRY ALL OF THEIR EQUIPMENT FROM THAT UNIT TO ARGUED.

I MEAN, WE TRANSPORT IT AND, BUT IT, IT JUST MAKES A MUCH BETTER SENSE TO DO WHAT WE'RE DOING.

AND, UH, AND LIKE I SAY, I THINK THAT THE PROGRAM HAS, YOU KNOW, PAID FOR ITSELF OVER AND OVER AND OVER.

SO QUESTION IT IS A FUNDING, WHAT THE FUNDING MAY 50% RAPPAHANNOCK, 50% WARM OR WHAT'S, HOW'S IT BASED? WELL, WHAT WAS WE WERE TRYING TO DO WAS, UH, WARREN COUNTY WITH THE TWO PEOPLE, WARREN COUNTY WOULD PAY FOR ONE PERSON AND RAPPAHANNOCK WOULD PAY FOR THE SECOND PERSON.

THEY WOULD BE THERE TOGETHER.

IT WOULD BE TWO PEOPLE THERE, 24 SEVEN.

AND, UH, LIKE I SAY, RAPPAHANNOCK WOULD PAY FOR THE ONE MOREN WOULD PAY FOR THE SECOND.

AND TYPICALLY THERE'S WARREN COUNTY.

WE HAVE MORE CALLS IN RAPPAHANNOCK.

YES WE DO.

WE HAVE A WHOLE LOT MORE IN WARREN THAN WE DO.

THAT'S THE REASON I WAS ASKING HIM ABOUT THE FINDING, IF IT WAS CAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY, THE ONLY CONCERN WE HAVE WITH RAPPAHANNOCK IS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PAYING FOR A WHOLE PERSON THAT'S GOING TO IN WARREN COUNTY, 70% OF THE TIME.

SO YES, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT IS A CONCERN OF OURS.

UH, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN FIX THAT AND WORK THAT OUT.

BUT, UH, UH, THAT IS A CONCERN, UH, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WE HAVE HAD PUSHBACK FROM THAT FROM RAPPAHANNOCK, BECAUSE WE DO RUN SO MANY CALLS IN WARREN AND, YOU KNOW, PHYSICALLY WHERE WE'RE LOCATED, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T HELP THAT.

I MEAN, I CAN THROW A ROCK INTO WARREN COUNTY.

SO, UH, AND LIKE I SAY, WE'VE BEEN RUNNING CALLS AND PAR PART OF WARREN COUNTY EVER SINCE THE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN CHARTERED, IT WAS CHARTERED.

OUR CHARTER READS, BELIEVE IT OR NOT WARREN COUNTY AND RAPPAHANNOCK, IT DON'T SAY RAPPAHANNOCK AND WARREN.

SO, YOU KNOW, EVEN OUR STATE CHARTER SAYS WARREN COUNTIES, CHAIRMAN COLORS.

I BELIEVE THAT WHEN WE AGREED TO PARTNER WITH, UM, CHEST WITH THAT FOUR CHESTER GAP WITH RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY, THERE WAS A LIMIT OF TIME ON HOW LONG WE WERE GOING TO, THEY WERE GOING TO CONTINUE PAYING 50%.

AND SO HAVE WE REACHED THAT TIME LIMIT? THAT'S WHY WE'RE DISCUSSING IT BECAUSE IT RUNS OUT IN JUNE.

REMEMBER, AND THIS MODEL IS EXCEPTIONAL.

JULY ONE, OUR MONEY RUNS OUT.

SO MY MEMORY SERVES ME FROM LAST YEAR.

THERE WAS A LIMIT OF TIME ON, SO WHEN THIS COMES UP IN JUNE, THEY STILL HAVE TO APPROVE THEIR THEY'RE 50% OF IT THOUGH.

CORRECT? RIGHT, CORRECT.

UM, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS, UM, WE WOULD DISCUSS IT TONIGHT.

UM, THEY MEET OUR NEXT MEETING IS THE 18TH.

I THINK THEIR NEXT MEETING IS JUNE THE FIRST MONDAY IN JUNE.

UM, SO THE HOPE IS IF WE PASS IT, THEN THAT WILL MAKE IT A STRONGER, UM, POSITION FOR THEM TO GET IT PASSED AS WELL.

IF I MAY, UM, A COUPLE OF A COUPLE POINTS AND I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING CHIEF BROWN SAID, BUT, UM, IN AN AUTOMATIC AID AGREEMENT, REGARDLESS OF THE AGREEMENT THAT'S MADE HERE TODAY, THOSE ASSETS ARE GOING TO GO ACROSS COUNTY LINES TO CONTINUE.

AND I CAN TELL YOU RESPECTFULLY THAT COMPANY ONE AS AN EXAMPLE, IT GOES OVER THAT MOUNTAIN IN RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY ON A PRETTY REGULAR BASIS.

SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A TWO THIRDS CALLWAY AND COMING OUT CHESTER GAP, BUT I CAN TELL YOU, WE GIVE AS MUCH AS WE, AND WE RECEIVE IN ALL DUE RESPECT.

SO I WANT TO, I WANT TO OFFER THAT BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY ARE IMPLYING THAT, THAT THEY SHOULD PAY LESS IN ALL DUE RESPECT.

I WOULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR WHATEVER IT'S WORTH A 50 50 DEALS, A GOOD, A GOOD DEAL FOR, AND, AND I, I GOT THE IMPRESSION THAT, UM, THEY FELT THAT, UM, SUPERVISOR DONNA HAY AND, UM, ADMINISTRATIVE CURRY FELT THAT AS WELL, NOT SPEAKING FOR THEM, BUT I THINK THAT WAS THE GENERAL CONSENSUS, BUT IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE IN A POSITION OF THE SAME AS WE ARE MAKING A DECISION.

UM, AND, UM, AND I AGREE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHETHER WE GET PAID FOR SERVICES OR HOWEVER, WE WORK THIS OUT, THE MUTUAL AID IS GOING TO ALWAYS CONTINUE.

UM, AND I THINK RAPPAHANNOCK, WE APPRECIATE WHEN THEY COME OVER.

UM, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY DIFFERENT COMPANIES WERE ON THE CALL ON THE STRAUSBERG ROAD HOUSE.

THE OTHER NIGHT, WE HAD A LOT OF MUTUAL AID FROM MY UNDERSTANDING.

I CAN TELL YOU A COMPANY IN HOMELESS THERE WITH FOUR PEOPLE.

SO, UM, POINT WILL TAKE IN, I, I THINK THAT WE'LL ALWAYS

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YOU, YOU SIMPLY DON'T SEE PEOPLE SITTING ON THE TABLE AND JUST DISCUSSING THE RIGHT THING TO GOODMAN.

SO I, I LIED WHAT THEY, WHAT WHAT'S BEEN DONE HERE.

AND I WOULD ONLY HOPE IT WOULD CONTINUE.

AND I, I SAY THAT HONESTLY, BECAUSE I'M IN DR.

DAYLA CAN SPEAK TO THE NUMBERS, BUT I MEAN, IF YOU LOOKED AT US ON A RIDING IN ITS ENTIRETY, IT'S AN EXPENSIVE ENDEAVOR.

AND THE REALITY IS THE NEED IS STILL THERE TO SERVE THE CITIZEN BASE.

UM, AND THE MODEL THEY HAVE HERE, YOU KNOW, ONE IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

AND THEN TWO, I THINK FROM AN ECONOMIC STANDPOINT, IT MAY SOUND SENSE AS WELL.

SO THERE'S A, UM, PAY DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN A BMT B AND AN A, AND WE ANTICIPATE THIS SECOND PERSON WOULD BE AN, A LICENSE.

SO WHILE THE, OUR FIRST PERSON WE INITIALLY AGREED UPON WAS 120,000, 60,000 EACH JURISDICTION THAT NUMBER'S A LITTLE LOW FROM WHAT WE'VE HAD THE LAST QUARTER, IT'S ACTUALLY UP RUNNING ABOUT A $5,500 MORE A MONTH.

SO WE NEED TO INCREASE THE 60,000 FOR NUMBER ONE TO 66,000.

AND SO WE WOULD ADD 3000 FOR THE CORRIDORS OF JANUARY THROUGH MARCH AND APRIL THROUGH JUNE OF THIS CURRENT YEAR.

AND THEN BEGINNING JULY ONE, THAT NUMBER WOULD BE 66.

AND THEN THE SECOND POSITION IS UP APPROXIMATELY 30% MORE.

SO THE TOTAL ON THAT POSITION IS ABOUT 156,000, WHICH MAKES THE TOTAL COST OF BOTH POSITIONS ABOUT 288.

I'M CALLING THAT 145,000 EACH.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT THIS AGREEMENT FOR EFFECTIVE JULY ONE WOULD BE 145,000 FOR EACH JURISDICTION.

AND WE LOOKED AT THAT CAN BE FUNDED WITH OUR NEW AMERICAN RECOVERY ACT MONEY FOR AT LEAST THE FIRST YEAR.

AND THAT WOULD BE A PROPOSAL ON YOUR AGENDA NEXT WEEK.

ANY QUESTIONS ON FROM THAT IS THAT NUMBER JUST, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THAT ONE 45 IS AN ALL-INCLUSIVE INCLUDING BENEFITS.

COMPANY NINE BENEFITS MA'AM YES.

NOT, NOT RAPPAHANNOCK OR WARREN COUNTY, EITHER ONE IT'S COMPANY NINE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ANY OTHER COMMENTS YOU GUYS HAVE? WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, RIGHT.

WARREN COUNTY TRANSFER STATION AND CONVENIENCE SITES.

MR. BERRY, WHICHEVER ONE, YOU WOULDN'T GET IT TOO.

THEY BOTH HAVE MIKES THAT SEEM TO BE WORKING THERE SO I CAN CLOSE THAT MEETING.

OH, WE THOUGHT YOU OKAY.

SORRY.

YEAH, I THOUGHT THEY WERE JUST STAYING FOR THE IT'LL TAKE JUST A SECOND TO GET BACK IN.

YOU'RE READY.

THAT THE FRONT ROYAL WARREN COUNTY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY HEREBY

I KNOW BE IT RESOLVED

[C. Joint Meeting with EDA (Part 2 of 2)]

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CERTIFIES THAT TO THE BEST OF EACH MEMBER'S KNOWLEDGE ONLY PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS.

LAWFULLY EXEMPTED FROM OPEN MEETING REQUIREMENTS BY VIRGINIA LAW WERE DISCUSSED, DISCUSSED IN THE CLOSE MEETING TO WHICH THIS CERTIFICATE RESOLUTION APPLIES AND ONLY SUCH PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS AS WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION CONVENE.

THE CLOSED MEETING WERE HEARD, DISCUSSED, OR CONSIDERED BY THE AUTHORITY.

IS THERE A MOTION? IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND ROLL CALL.

BROWN EYE.

I GOT CALLED FOR JURY DUTY A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.

NO, NO.

GREG, CAN YOU HEAR US, GREG? OKAY.

UM, ARE, ARE, DO YOU VOTE IN FAVOR OF COMING OUT OF CLOSED SESSION? YES, I VOTE, YES.

ALL RIGHT.

ARE YOU VOTING IN FAVOR OF COMING OUT OF CLOSED? YES.

JEFF, YOU NEED A MOTION TO CERTIFY THAT YOU ONLY TALKED ABOUT THOSE THINGS FOR WHAT YOU WENT IN.

NOW, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CERTIFICATION? SECOND ROLL CALL BROWN HAROLD DIE.

WE WERE OUT OF CLOSED SESSION.

UM, WE HAVE A RESOLUTION, UH, TO CONSIDER RESOLVED THAT THE SANDS ANDERSON PC LAW FIRM IS AUTHORIZED TO ENTER INTO SUCH AGREEMENTS AND MET AND MAKE SUCH COURT PLEADING SOME BEHALF OF THE INDUSTRIAL AUTHORITY, THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL AND THE COUNTY OF WARREN AS MAYBE NECESSARY TO EFFECTUATE IN FAVOR OF THE EDA OR RESOLUTION OF THE EDS CLAIMS AGAINST JENNIFER MCDONNELL MOVE ON EIGHT LLC.

AND THE BOYS, LLC, WHICH RESOLUTION SHALL INCLUDE PROVISIONS THAT ANY JUDGMENT AGAINST JENNIFER MCDONNELL MOVE ON EIGHT LLC.

AND THE BOYS LLC SHALL BE A JOINT AND SEVERAL LIABILITY OF ALL THREE ENTITIES THAT ANY JUDGMENT AGAINST JENNIFER MACDONALD MOVE ON EIGHT LLC AND DUBOIS LLC SHALL NOT BE DISCHARGEABLE IN BANKRUPTCY.

AND THAT ANY JUDGMENT BE FOR NO LESS THAN $9 MILLION.

IS THERE A MOTION HAROLD SO MOVES AS STATED? IS THERE A SECOND ROLL CALL, BROWN EYE HAROLD BADDEST, THE LIGHT MOTION PASSES.

UH, THIS, UH, THE EDA MEETING IS NOW.

OH, WE HAVE TO, UM, CLOSE THE MEETING, UH, FOR ADJOURNMENT.

UM, IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING SECOND, A ROLL CALL BROWN.

AYE.

TERADATA.

THANK YOU ALL, MAN.

UM, MADAM CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU FOR, UH, HAVING A JOINT SESSION WITH US AND, AND ALLOWING US TO, UH, COMPLETE OUR MEETING.

THANK YOU FOR, UM, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT REALIZING THAT YOU DIDN'T DO THAT BACK THERE, SO, SORRY.

ALL RIGHT,

[F. Discussion - Warren County Transfer Station and Convenience Sites - Mike Berry]

MR. BARRY, THERE WE GO.

THERE YOU GO.

BRIEFLY WITH ADMINISTRATION AND A COUPLE OF MINUTES WITH LIEUTENANT SEAL ACTUALLY BEFORE THE MEETING.

SO I WAS LAST HERE ON APRIL 13TH AND WE DISCUSSED, I THINK ARE THE BIGGEST CONCERN WAS OUR VISUAL PILES OF TRASH.

AND WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT.

UM, IF YOU RECALL, FROM OUR LAST MEETING WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, RECOGNIZING THAT WE WOULD HAVE AN ISSUE.

UM, LIEUTENANT STILL WAS WITH ME.

UH, WE, WE DISCUSSED SIGNAGE REQUIREMENTS AND APPROVAL FOR SUCH, UM, IN REGARDS TO DUMPING OUTSIDE OF HOURS AND, UM, BEING SUBJECT TO PROSECUTION FOR TRESPASSING AND HAVING A DESIGNATED REPRESENTATIVE FOR COURT.

UM, AND I, I THINK HE WAS ALREADY LEFT, BUT, UM, LET ME, SHE, SHE WAS VERY CLEAR.

WE WOULDN'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SIT DOWN AND GET INTO ANY CODIFICATION OR CODE CHANGES UNTIL JUNE.

UM, JUST WITH OUR SCHEDULE AT THIS POINT.

SO, UM, SPOKE

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UM, I WANTED TO ENSURE, YOU KNOW, THAT WE WOULDN'T CREATE ANY PROBLEMS AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH TRYING TO RESOLVE, YOU KNOW, OUR BIGGEST CONCERN WAS, UM, THE DUMPING OF FURNITURE MATERIALS AT THE, THE COOLIEF FACILITY DEPARTMENT RIDE THAT IS HAPPENING, UM, TO THE POINT THAT WE'RE TAKING TRAILERS OUT THERE ON A REGULAR BASIS, ESPECIALLY AFTER A SUNDAY EVENING OR WEDNESDAY CLOSURE, UM, PEOPLE JUST CONTINUE TO PILE FURNITURE AND MATERIALS THAT WE DON'T RECEIVE.

UM, AND AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF INVITE THEM IN WITH OUR LITTLE GATE OPEN.

UM, BUT AS WE FOUND OUT THAT THE LITTLE GATE SHUT, UM, AND THAT'S THE REASON THAT WE'VE BEEN SEEING MORE TRASH ON THE GROUND.

AND SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO RECOMMEND THE DO AT THIS TIME IS WITH YOUR APPROVAL WOULD BE TO OPEN UP THE LITTLE GATE AGAIN, UNTIL, YOU KNOW, WE COME UP WITH A BETTER SOLUTION.

UM, AND YOU KNOW, THAT MAY REQUIRE US TO SEND SOME PEOPLE AROUND TO, YOU KNOW, RUN THEM UP, UM, ONE MORE POST, UH, BUT TO IMMEDIATELY ALLEVIATE THE VISUAL PROBLEM, IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO, THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO SUGGEST AT THIS TIME.

UM, AND THAT MIGHT NOT HELP WITH THE FURNITURE.

UM, HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THIS, PEOPLE WILL BEGIN TO GET THE MESSAGE THAT THEY SHOULDN'T DO THAT.

UM, AND YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S REALLY, UM, A DECISION OF THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, IF WE DESIRE, UM, LET PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, USE THE SITES WE'RE MORE OPEN OR NOT OPEN, I BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE A BOARD DECISION, YOU KNOW, CAUSE THAT'S WHERE OUR VISUAL PROBLEM IS COMING FROM THAT EVERYBODY'S CONCERNED ABOUT.

SO YEAH.

ANYBODY HAVE AN OPINION OR QUESTION, UM, IN REGARDS TO THE TRASH, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A WHOLE LOT OF QUESTIONS.

THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, THEY KEEP AN EYE ON THOSE SITES ALSO, DON'T THEY? YEAH, YEAH.

MR. SEAL SAID HE WAS OUT.

UM, YEAH.

UM, I DON'T KNOW IF ROBBIE WANTS TO COMMENT, BUT HE'S WELCOMED TO COME UP, BUT YEAH, HE, OCCASIONALLY HE'LL GO OUT AND MONITOR THE LOCATIONS AND JUST SEE WHAT PEOPLE ARE DOING.

UM, I THINK HE SPENT AN HOUR AND A HALF HERE IN THE LAST WEEK, MR. UH, LIEUTENANT SEAL, IF YOU WANNA RUN UP TO THAT, THEN MR. BARRY, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REMIND THE COMMUNITY THAT THOSE SITES ARE AVAILABLE TO THEM FOR A CONVENIENCE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE THERE.

THEY COULD TAKE THEIR WASTE OUT TO THE TRANSFER STATION.

THESE ARE PROVIDED BY THE COUNTY AS A CONVENIENCE.

AND SO IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT IF SOMEBODY IS PROVIDING SOMETHING FOR YOU AS A CONVENIENCE, THAT YOU WOULD BE, UM, I GUESS, UH, BETTER SUITED TO NOT THROW YOUR TRASH AND YOUR FURNITURE AND ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE THERE.

I KNOW THAT BEFORE CHURCH ON SUNDAY, OR WHEN I GET OUT OF CHURCH ON SUNDAY, THAT THE COOLEY SITE IS, THERE'S NO ONE THERE AND THERE'S TRASH PILED UP THERE, YOU KNOW, STUFF, ESPECIALLY IF THE WIND BLOWING EVERYWHERE AND LITTER EVERYWHERE.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE NEED TO BE BETTER STEWARDS OF THE THINGS THAT ARE PROVIDED TO THEM.

AND SO I, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO, IF WE HAVE TO HAVE A MARKETING CAMPAIGN OR A PUBLIC AWARENESS CAMPAIGN, BUT THEY JUST NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS IMPORTANT TO ALL OF US, THAT WE MAINTAIN, YOU KNOW, A CLEAN AND BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY AND NOT JUST THROW YOUR TRASH WHEREVER YOU FEEL LIKE.

I AGREE.

SO THAT'S MY OPINION.

IF YOU OPEN.

AND WHEN YOU SAY THE LITTLE GATE, THAT MEANS, UM, THE CAGE TYPE GATE, THAT'S ACTUALLY ON THE COMPACTOR THAT YOU WOULD LEAVE THAT OPEN.

NOW LOOKING AT THE AMOUNT OF GARBAGE THAT IS LEFT IN FRONT OF IT, WHEN THAT SHUT IS, IS THAT GOING TO CAUSE A PROBLEM IF THEY OVERLOAD THAT DOES THAT CAUSE SOME KIND OF ISSUE WITH OPERATING THAT THEY CAN, IF SOMEBODY IS PUTTING STUFF IN THERE, THEY SHOULDN'T ESPECIALLY, UM, IF IT GETS HUNG UP, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TRY TO DRIVE THAT TRASH.

CAUSE IT'LL, YOU KNOW, YOU PUT A PIECE, I'VE HAD PEOPLE PUT CARPET IN THERE AND THEN IT STACKS, YOU KNOW, BAGS ALL THE WAY UP TO THE CEILING.

AND THEN YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, IF A RETIREES COMING IN, YOU KNOW, I MEAN A LOT OF THOSE GUYS CAN DO IT, BUT SOMETIMES IT'S TOUGH.

I MEAN, CAUSE YOU GOT 'EM OUT IN THE TRASH ON TOP AND YOU CAN'T GET IT TO THE RAM, YOU KNOW, AND YOU CAN'T HAVE ISSUES AS WELL.

BUT YEAH, IT JUST DEPENDS.

WE, AND I CAN'T SAY THAT IT'S NEVER HAPPENED WITH THE LITTLE GATE OPEN, BUT YOU WON'T HAVE AS MUCH OF A VISUAL PARENTS THERE.

UM, IN THE LAST, PROBABLY TWO YEARS, WE'VE, YOU KNOW, HAD TO KIND OF DO SOME CYCLES, YOU KNOW, TO CLEAN UP AND, AND RUN THOSE THINGS UP OR EX PEOPLE

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THAT ARE IN THAT AREA TO RUN THE COMPACTOR UP.

AND YOU KNOW, I WAS WONDERING IF OPENING IT, I KNOW IT'S OPEN FROM SEVEN TO SEVEN EXCEPT FOR SUNDAYS.

AND THAT'S 12 TO SEVEN, WHICH SEEMS TO ME LIKE GOOD SERVICE HOURS.

BUT IF OPENING IT SEVEN TO SEVEN W EXCEPT FOR WEDNESDAYS, CAUSE I KNOW THAT, UM, IS A DAY THAT THEY'RE CLOSED.

EVEN IF WE OPENED IT AT SEVEN.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE'S STUFF PILED UP THERE BEFORE SEVEN IN THE MORNING, EVEN CORRECT? YEP.

SO I, I MEAN, I, I CAN SEE WHERE TO A CERTAIN EXTENT LEAVING THAT SMALL GATE OPEN, IF PEOPLE ONLY PUT BAGS IN THERE WOULD HELP, BUT IF IT'S GOING TO TEAR UP THE COMPACTOR OR MAKE THE GUYS HAVE TO PULL OUT BAGS TO GET UP, WHATEVER IS STUCK DOWN THERE, I, I COULD SEE WHERE THAT'S A DANGER TOO.

AND EVERY TIME, I MEAN, IF IT GETS LODGED WHERE IT DOESN'T FALL INTO THE WHOLE WHERE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, SOME OF THE GUYS WILL SH OR CLOSE THE RAM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND TRY TO GET IT TO SET OR SOME OF THEM OPEN THE RAM AND HOPEFULLY IT DROPS.

YOU KNOW, IT JUST DEPENDS A LOT.

I MEAN, WE'VE DONE IT FOR YEARS AND YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A REAL PROBLEM, THEN WE'LL SEND SOMEONE ELSE OUT TO HELP THE TRY TO ELIMINATE THE PROBLEM, BUT THEN YOU'RE, YOU CAN GET BEHIND AS THEY GET STARTED.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DO OUR BEST TO MAKE THE VISUAL PROBLEM GO AWAY WITHOUT GETTING INTO IT.

I MEAN, WHEN, WHEN YOU THINK OF, IN TRYING TO THINK OF ALL THE AVENUES AND I'M SURE YOU HAVE IT JUST, YOU KNOW, IF PEOPLE COULD JUST ADHERE TO THE RULES, IT WOULD CERTAINLY MAKE LIFE BETTER.

AND, UM, UM, YEAH, AND I DO APPRECIATE THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT'S EFFORTS BECAUSE, UM, I, SINCE YOU GUYS HAVE, AND THE ONLY WAY OF PUTTING THIS IS PUT A LITTLE BIT OF PAIN ON PEOPLE.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW MANY TICKETS YOU'VE ACTUALLY WRITTEN OR IF YOU'VE JUST BEEN DOING WARNINGS.

BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, I CAN LOOK AT THREE 40, UM, FROM THE TRANSFER STATION ALL THE WAY TO TOWN.

AND IT IS, THERE IS NOT THE TRASH THERE THAT THAT WAS, I MEAN, WE WERE PICKING UP IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS, TIME, 200 AND SOME BAGS OF GARBAGE AND, UM, MR. CARTER FROM V DOT, WHICH WAS ENTIRELY FROM OUR COUNTY, BUT THAT WAS AT THREE COUNTIES.

IT WAS $65,000 SPENT JUST PICKING UP GARBAGE.

THAT'S UNREAL.

WHEN WE, AS CITIZENS, WE CAN CONTROL THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST HAVE TO DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE.

SO, UM, I THINK EDUCATION, EVEN IF WE LEAVE THE LITTLE DOOR OPEN, I THINK WE STILL HAVE TO DO A LOT OF EDUCATING AND YOU GUYS HELP THEM CHECK HOUSES IF I MAY, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE AND MRS OAKS MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE DO? WOULD YOU START A MARKETING CAMPAIGN? AND I THINK WE'VE GOT TO DO BOTH A MARKETING CAMPAIGN, BUT A DETERRENT PROGRAM OR CAMPAIGN, IF YOU WILL.

UM, AND WHEN I TALK ABOUT TO TURN, YEAH, UH, AS A REPRESENTATIVE OR REPRESENTATIVES THAT SIT HERE TO REPRESENT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, WE CAN BE AT A DETERRENT EXAMPLE BEING, I CAN GO OUT THERE ON WEDNESDAYS WHEN THE SITE'S CLOSED, THE GATES ARE CLOSED AND EVERYTHING, WHICH I DID THIS PAST WEDNESDAY AND WEDNESDAY MORNINGS BEFORE I SIT AT, UH, GO TO WORK, SIT AT MY DESK SINCE BEGIN MY JOB.

UH, I SET UP A TRANSFER SITE ON FIVE 22 AND I BECOME A DETERRENT.

WHY? BECAUSE I'M SITTING IN THERE AND MARK VEHICLE, WHEN PEOPLE COME UP AND THEY LOOK AT ME, THEY SEE ME TO DO A U-TURN.

AND SO THAT'S A DETERRENT.

WHAT ELSE IS IT? A TURN? A DETERRENT IS MAKING IT LESS CONVENIENT FOR PEOPLE TO DUMP THEIR TRASH.

UM, YOU CAN HAVE THAT GATE OPEN.

AND WE TALK ABOUT THE GATE IS OPEN THAT HOPPER THERE'S DIFFERENT IDEAS THAT WE OPEN THE GATE.

I SUGGESTED CLOSING THE GATE.

WHY? BECAUSE PEOPLE, WHEN I WOULD SIT OUT THERE ENFORCING DECALS AND MOSTLY IT WAS PUBLIC RELATIONS, MORE THAN ANYTHING, TALKING WITH PEOPLE, HELPING THEM WITH UNLOAD THEIR TRASH AND SO FORTH.

UM, PEOPLE WERE SAYING SEVERAL PEOPLE WOULD SAY, WELL ON WEDNESDAY WHEN THEY SEE THE GATE TO THE HOPPER AND I CALLED THE COMPACTOR A HOPPER, WHICH IS THE HOPPER, THE TRASH IS LOADED IN, BUT PEOPLE WOULD SAY, WELL, I THOUGHT IF THE GATES OPEN, WHETHER THE GATE MAIN GATES CLOSED, THAT STILL WAS OKAY TO DUMP TRASH.

SO WHAT YOU HAVE IS SORT OF A CATCH 22 BECAUSE YOU'RE OPENING THE GATE, THEY'RE DUMPING THE TRASH IN THE HOPPER.

SO YOU DON'T NECESSARILY SEE THE TRASH OUTSIDE OF THE FENCE AREA.

BUT ONCE THAT FENCE THERE IS CLOSED, NOW YOU SEE ALL THIS TRASH IS PILED UP IN FRONT OF THE FENCED AREA.

AND THEN WHEN THAT GETS FULL TO A POINT, WHAT DO THEY DO? ESPECIALLY ON FIVE 22, THEY START TRYING TO THROW THE TRASH INTO THE HOPPER.

WHAT HAPPENS? THE TRASH IS HANGING OFF THE FENCE, HANGING ON THE TOP OF THE FENCING OVER THE HOPPER.

AND IT ISN'T IT TERRIBLE SITE, AS WE ALL KNOW WHO'S EVER PASSED BY THERE AND SEEING THE TRASH.

SO WHAT DO WE DO TO MAKE IT BECOME A DETERRENT SHERIFF'S OFFICE

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DOES THEIR PART.

I DO MY PART BEING OUT THERE, BEING A PRESENCE OR BEING THERE TELLING PEOPLE THEY CAN'T DUMP THE TRASH.

OF COURSE, BACK INTO THE LAST WORK SESSION.

WE MENTIONED, WE'VE GOT A LITTLE LOOPHOLE IN OUR CODE BECAUSE YOU GOT THE HOUR STIPULATED WHEN PEOPLE HAD DUMPED THEIR TRASH, BUT NO PROHIBITION FOR PEOPLE THAT DUMPED THE TRASH PAST THOSE HOURS UNTIL THE CODE IS AMENDED TO, TO THAT EFFECT.

SO WE CAN'T ENFORCE DUMPING AFTER HOURS.

WE CAN ENFORCE TRESPASSING AS LONG AS THE PROPER SIGNAGE IS PLACARDED IN THOSE AREAS, BUT WE ALSO COULD PUT IT OR PUT FENCING, SOME SUGGESTIONS THAT I MADE BACK MUCH LIKE, UH, UH, MENTIONED LAST WORK SESSION, BETTER FENCING.

SO PEOPLE CAN'T NECESSARILY BE CONVENED OR CAN BE INCONVENIENCED FROM BEING ABLE TO GO TO THAT HOPPER TO DISCARD THEIR TRASH.

UM, THE TWO SITES REALLY THAT I SEE THIS BIG PROBLEM, AND MIKE PROBABLY COULD AGREE, BUT THIS IS THREE 40 AND FIVE 22, AND THEY'RE SHUTTING DOWN A FOREIGN SET HAS SOME ISSUES.

BUT I THINK FOR THE MOST PART, WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT WHERE PEOPLE READILY SEE THE TRASH OUT UP IS THREE 40 ON THE HEAVILY TRAVELED HIGHWAYS OF THREE 40 AND FIVE 22.

SO YES, A MARKETING CAMPAIGN TO COINCIDE WITH A DETERRENT CAMPAIGN.

THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION.

ANY THOUGHTS OR QUESTIONS ON THAT IS YOUR MIC ON? NO.

THE AMOUNT OF TRASH THAT YOU PICK UP OUTSIDE THE BOX, THE OUTSIDE THE FENCE AREA, IS IT A COMPACT OR FULL, IS IT A TRAILER FULL? WHAT KIND OF TRAILER? WELL COMPACT YOUR FULL WIDTH OF THE TRAILER.

I SAID, WHAT TYPE OF TRAILER? I'M NOT SURE.

WELL, UM, I MEAN, I, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S FEASIBLE OR NOT, BUT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DUMP THEIR TRASH.

WHY CAN'T WE, BECAUSE IT IS A CONVENIENT STATION.

IT'S NOT MANNED AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME.

WHY CAN'T WE PUT A CON UH, A TRAILER THAT IS THERE FOR PEOPLE TO JUST THROW THEIR CRAP IN OUR FURTHER TRASH YET, JUST GET RID OF IT.

THEY'VE DONE PART OF IT AND YOU PICK IT UP AND MOVE IT WHENEVER IT GETS FULL.

WELL, IF WE WERE GOING TO DO THAT, WE WOULD NEED TO GO TO OPEN TOP RETAINER.

I MEAN, THE LITTLE TRAILER BEHIND YOUR TRUCK, WOULDN'T BE ENOUGH FOR THE BAGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

WELL, WHAT'S WRONG WITH AN OPEN, A SMALL OPEN TOP CONTAINER.

WELL, UM, WE COULD DO THAT.

UM, BUT WE'RE GONNA GET INTO AN EXPENSE WITH THAT.

AND IT'S, IT'S ONLY GOING TO HANDLE A COUPLE OF TONS, TWO TONS, AND I GOT BACK THERE WAS ABOUT EIGHT.

UM, AND WE DIDN'T TO HAVE ANY COMPACTION, SO WE MIGHT NOT GET TO, OKAY.

I, I GET THAT.

BUT HOW MUCH TIME ARE WE SPENDING ON FIGHTING THIS BATTLE WHEN THE BATTLE IS NOT GOING TO END UNTIL WE DO SOMETHING BETTER, LET'S DO SOMETHING BETTER.

AND THE SOMETHING BETTER MEANS GIVE THE CONVENIENCE THAT CONVENIENCE THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE, AND THAT'S PEOPLE WANT, NEED TO DUMP THEIR TRASH.

WE'RE GROWING.

AND I'M NOT SAYING IT'S THE BEST IDEA, BUT IT'S, WE GOT TO DO SOMETHING OTHERWISE WE'RE GOING TO GET CONTINUALLY BOGGED DOWN IN THE SAME, OVER AND OVER AND OVER CAN'T YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO HAVE IT OPEN 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.

CAN'T DO THAT.

THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE WOULD WANT.

THAT IT IS A CONVENIENT SITE.

WE'VE GOT TO MAKE IT AS CONVENIENT AS WE CAN.

IF IT MEANS PUTTING AN OPEN TOP TRAILER THERE TO LET PEOPLE DUMP ON THEIR OWN ON THE HONOR SYSTEM AND HAUL IT AWAY.

I'M FOR THAT, IT'S SOMETHING OTHER THAN ARGUING OVER.

WELL, I THINK WE'D BE BETTER OFF TO OPEN MORE HOURS THAN TO PUT A OPEN CONTAINER THERE ALL THE TIME.

THEN LET'S DO THAT OR OPEN THE LITTLE GATE.

MY QUESTION WOULD BE JUST WHAT PERCENTAGE WOULD IT COST YOU TO MANAGE SEVEN DAYS A WEEK RATHER THAN JUST SIX? WELL, IF WE OPEN ON WEDNESDAYS BASED ON OUR LOWEST COST DOING 12 HOURS A DAY AT THE FOUR SITES, AND THEN I JUST ADDED SIX HOURS IN ON, UH, AT THE TRANSFER STATION, 12, 18 PER HOUR FOR PART-TIME ONLY, UM, WE'D BE LOOKING AT ABOUT $35,000 A YEAR, 35,000 A YEAR FROM WEDNESDAY.

I MEAN THAT, THEN THAT'S NOT INCLUDING ANY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THE ELECTRIC BILL WILL GO UP SIGNIFICANTLY.

YOU WOULD HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL CONTRACTOR COST IF WE INCREASE OUR BUSINESS.

UM, OR IF WE HAD ANY, IF WE HAD ANY FULL-TIME PEOPLE IN THERE, BUT THAT'S JUST AT THE LOWER END OF THE PART-TIME STAFF FOR ME, I THINK IT WOULD BE WORTH IT TO, TO OPEN IT FAM DAYS A WEEK, RATHER THAN TO FIGHT THE FIGHT.

THAT'S

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JUST WEDNESDAY.

DID YOU DO AN ANALYSIS ON WHAT IT WOULD TO OPEN IT SEVEN TO SEVEN ON SUNDAY AS WELL, SEVEN TO SEVEN? WELL, TO ADD FIVE HOURS, IT WOULD, IT WOULD COST US PROBABLY ANOTHER, PROBABLY 16 TO $20,000 A YEAR WITH NO SUPERVISION, JUST WITH AN ADDING ANOTHER MAN IN THE AFTERNOON OR THE, FOR THE FIVE HOURS IN THE MORNING, SEVEN TO THE 12TH, JUST BASED ON, LIKE I SAID, I USED THE LOWEST RATE FOR EMPLOYEES.

NOW WHEN WE GET INTO, YOU KNOW, I REALLY THINK THAT TRYING TO OPEN THE SCALE HOUSE AND THE FLOOR IS A MISTAKE.

UH, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU'D BE LOOKING AT FOR EIGHT HOURS ON A SUNDAY.

I MEAN, YOU'RE LOOKING AT AT LEAST $40,000 A YEAR TO DO THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA NEED TWO LABORS.

YOU'RE GOING TO NEED PEOPLE TO MOVE THE TRUCKS AND SCALE HOUSE, AND WE'RE GOING TO NEED MORE.

PEOPLE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO GO TO FULL-TIME.

THAT WOULD BE WITH JUST WHO WE HAD, BUT I DON'T THINK WE COULD DO THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE ONE PERSON THAT'S FULL ON HIS PART IN SCALE HOUSE AND WE HAVE 29 HOUR RESTRICTIONS.

WE CAN'T WORK ON, ON AN AVERAGE FOR THE YEAR.

SO I THINK WE WOULD PROBABLY NEED SOME MORE SUPPORT, ESPECIALLY AT MINIMUM IF WE WANT TO OPEN THAT AND, UM, THE OTHER SITES AS WELL.

AND WE WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE HELP ON THE SUPERVISION IN AS WELL.

UM, SO YES, SIR.

HOW MUCH IS A CONTAINER CROSS, A CONTAINER TO BE MOVED? IT DEPENDS ON THE LOCATION.

I MEAN, YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT A COUPLE OF HUNDRED BUCKS A POOL, AND IF YOU PULLED IT TWICE A WEEK, THAT'S $400, $400 A WEEK.

YOU HAVE TO THINK TOO, MR. MAYBE YOUR PRIMARY PROBLEM OUT HERE, YOU'RE ALREADY LIMITED WITH YOUR ACCESS.

YOU DON'T HAVE MUCH ROOM FOR THE PEOPLE WHEN THE PARK AND RIDE AREA, YOU HAVE A TOUR BUS THAT COMES AROUND AND IF YOU PUT A CAN IN THERE, YOU'D NEED TO MOVE IN IMMEDIATELY BECAUSE YOU HAVE A TRUCK COMING INTO THE ONE SIDE AT THE COMPACTOR AND YOU HAVE A CIRCLE TO COME AROUND AND YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ROOM FOR TWO CARS AT THE RECYCLING FACILITY OVERALL READY.

SO WE WOULD HAVE TO PUT A CAN THAT'S BASICALLY THEY GOING TO BE AN OBSTRUCTION AND ACTUALLY PROBABLY GOING TO CAUSE AN ADDITIONAL PROBLEM AS FAR AS PEOPLE HIDING, BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER HOLE TO PUT STUFF DOWN WHEN WE'RE NOT THERE, IT USE IT.

AND WE'LL PROBABLY GET MATERIALS WITH OPEN TOP PROBABLY WORSE THAN, UM, THAN WE'RE GETTING.

NOW, WHEN THEY'VE BEEN ON THE GROUND, OTHER THAN THE BAG OF TRASH, I'M NOT DOUBTING THAT.

I'M JUST SAYING WE'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING.

ULTIMATELY I THINK WE NEED A NEW SITE THAT ONE'S ALREADY OVER CAPACITY AND WE'RE GOING TO PULL THE CAN, WE'RE GOING TO PUMP.

AND WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT ON THE, ON THE DRIVER'S SIDE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO WORK WITH OUR CONTRACTOR AND THEIR HOURS.

AND, UM, WE, WE HAVE TO BE CONCERNED WITH THOSE GUYS TOO.

EACH LOCATION FOR WEDNESDAY, YOU WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY IF, UNLESS YOU HAD SOMEONE WHO WANTED TO, TO PICK UP A SHIFT AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD CHANGE YOUR COST FACTOR.

YES, SIR.

SO WITH THE BOARD'S CONCURRENCE, UM, WE'RE GOING TO NUMBER ONE, START OPENING THE GATES SOME MORE, SEE WHAT THAT DOES.

AND IF WE RUN INTO A PROBLEM, THEN WE'LL STOP, BUT WE'RE GOING TO TRY IT.

UH, WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE FENCING, LIKE WHAT LIEUTENANT SEAL WAS TALKING ABOUT AND PUTTING UP SOME MORE FENCING.

AND ALSO CAITLIN'S WORKING ON THIS SIGNAGE THAT SHE SAID SHE WILL HAVE FOR YOU IN, UH, IN JUNE.

UM, TENANT SEAL WAS TOLD WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT SIGNAGE UP THERE AND HAVE IT APPROVED BY THE BOARD BEFORE WE CAN PUT IT UP OR IT WON'T BE ENFORCEABLE.

UH, WE'LL LOOK AT THE COST OF OPEN CONTAINERS AND WHERE THEY COULD BE.

AND WE WILL LOOK AT, UH, WHERE WE COULD LOCATE A NEW SITE, ALL OF WHICH, AND ALSO LOOKING AT, UM, INCREASING THE SUNDAY HOURS, BUT ALSO WEDNESDAY HOURS.

WE'RE TALKING IN TERMS OF $50,000 AS TO WHAT THAT TOTAL WOULD BE THERE.

SO WE WILL LOOK AT ALL THESE OPTIONS KIND OF IN A PROGRESSIVE, UH, MANNER AND START MOVING FORWARD TO SEE IF WE CAN GET SOME OF THIS CLEANED UP.

AND WE'LL PROBABLY WHEN WE MOVED, IF WE MOVE TO OPENING WOULD DEFINITELY NEED SOME TIME TO GET PEOPLE.

UM, CAUSE A LOT OF THESE GUYS ARE, YOU KNOW, RESTRICTED AND EITHER THEY'RE AT THEY'RE MAXED OUT OR THEY ONLY WANT TO WORK 12 OR 18 HOURS.

SO I WOULD ANTICIPATE A MINIMUM FOR WEDNESDAY, HAVE A MINIMUM OF, UH, YOU KNOW, EIGHT MEN PROBABLY PART-TIME, YOU KNOW, TO COME ON, ESPECIALLY IF THERE WAS SUNDAY AND WEDNESDAY, BECAUSE LET'S SAY YOU'VE GOT THE LINDEN SITE, COOL.

SHE SHIFTS PER LOCATION, 12 HOURS.

WE TYPICALLY DO SIXES.

UM, SO YOU KNOW,

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IF YOU HAD SOMEBODY WHO'S MAKING $14 AN HOUR, CAUSE THEY'VE BEEN HERE FOR YEARS VERSUS, YOU KNOW, AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCALE OF 1218, UM, THEN THAT COULD, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT HIT YOUR COSTS.

BUT I THINK IT WOULDN'T CHANGE IT SIGNIFICANTLY, BUT YOU KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW.

MOST OF THESE GUYS AREN'T LOOKING FOR MORE THAN ONES THAT WANT TO WORK 29 OR MAXED OUT AT 29.

SO THE, THE PEOPLE THAT WORK THERE, THEY DON'T WORK A 12 HOUR SHIFT AT A DAY.

THEY, YOU HAVE WHERE THEY SPLIT THAT DAY.

I HAD SOME AT ONE POINT, MOST OF THE MEN DO NOT.

THEY MISSED WORK A SIX HOUR SHIFT AND OTHER THAN THE SUNDAY WHERE THEY WERE SEVENS.

YEP.

ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NOPE.

NO, NO, THANK YOU.

YEP.

THANK YOU MR. BERRY, SIR.

STATION REPORT, SHERIFF BUTLER.

AND THANK YOU LIEUTENANT SEAL AS WELL.

AND UM, ALL RIGHT.

NEXT STEP TRANSFER

[G. Transfer Station Report - Sheriff Butler]

EMILY'S NOT HERE TO YELL AT ME.

I HAVE TO SAY I'M NOT HAPPY TO BE HERE ON THIS ONE, BUT IT IS MY JOB.

AND, UM, I'LL BE HERE.

UM, A SHORT TIME AGO I WAS ASKED TO LOOK INTO ALLEGATIONS OF ILLEGAL DUMPING.

UH, ONE OF THE FIRST QUESTIONS I ASKED, I HAVE YOU, HAVE YOU ACTUALLY TALKED TO THE PERSON THAT'S DOING IT? THEY SAID THEY HAD, UH, I SAID, OKAY, WELL WE'LL LOOK INTO IT.

WHAT IS IT? AND MR. LANCE BELIEVED IT WAS SLUDGE.

FIRST OF ALL, I HAVE TO SAY, UM, MR. LANCE SHOULD BE COMMENDED FOR GOING OUT OF HIS WAY TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT.

SOMETIMES DOING WHAT'S RIGHT.

ISN'T ALWAYS THE MOST POPULAR, BUT I DO BELIEVE MR. LANCE, UH, PUT A LOT ON HIS SHOULDERS COMING FORWARD.

AND UM, UH, I THINK THE COUNTY SHOULD KNOW THAT, UM, THAT'S, UH, I REALLY WAS IMPRESSED WITH THAT.

AS WE, UH, LOOKED INTO THIS, I'VE PUT TOGETHER A FILE AND POWERPOINT AND ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I'VE, UM, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IS THE AUTHORITY, UH, 15 TO 1609 OR THE VIRGINIA CODE.

IT SAYS THE SHERIFF HAS THE AUTHORITY AND SHALL ENFORCE THE LAWS WITHIN THE COUNTY.

IT WAS ELECTED ALSO CAN ASSIST THE GOVERNING BODY IN OTHER ISSUES.

AND IT'S ACTUALLY IN THAT CODE AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

THERE WE GO.

UM, ILLEGAL WASTE DUMPING ALLEGATION.

SOMEONE ASKED ME WHAT SLUDGE WAS OR THAT SLUDGE WAS BEING DUMPED.

AND I HAD NO IDEA TO BE CLEAR WITH YOU.

SO AFTER THAT BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING, WHICH YOU'LL SEE IN THE TIMELINE, UH, THERE WAS NO STING AND THERE WAS NO SPECIAL OPERATION.

IT WAS SHERIFF, CAN YOU LOOK INTO AN ALLIGATOR OR LOOK INTO A POSSIBLE LEGAL DUMPING? WELL, WE GET THESE CALLS EVERY SINGLE DAY IN LAW ENFORCEMENT AND WE LOOK INTO EVERY SINGLE CALL.

BUT THE FIRST THING YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT, IS THERE ANY CRIMINAL ACTIVITY OR IS IT CIVIL ACTIVITY? SO AS I WENT BACK AND I STARTED TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT SLUDGE WAS, WHAT POSSIBLE LAWS COULD BE VIOLATED.

AND I'M LOOKING THROUGH COUNTY CODE, STATE CODE, FEDERAL CODE TO SEE WHAT IS ACTUALLY OUT THERE.

AND THERE'S QUITE A FEW WITH EPA DE QUE, WHICH I'M FINDING OUT DQ, WHICH I HAD NO, NO KNOWLEDGE OF DEQ BEFORE TWO WEEKS AGO.

UM, WE ACTUALLY FOUND THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL DIFFERENT POLICIES, BUT WE HAD TO KNOW WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT, WHAT WE WERE ACTUALLY DEALING WITH.

SO I PUT A TIMELINE TOGETHER,

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UH, TO SHOW THAT, UH, JUST HOW SPONTANEOUS THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENED.

I WAS INFORMED BY TWO COUNTY EMPLOYEES OF ILLEGAL DUMPING AT THE BENTONVILLE TRANSFER STATION.

THIS HAPPENED BETWEEN FOUR 13 AND FOUR, 15 OF APRIL.

UM, DURING THAT TIME I ACTUALLY STARTED RESEARCHING TO FIND OUT WHAT ACTUALLY WHAT SLUDGE AND WHAT THE DIFFERENT CODES WERE AND SO FORTH.

UH, THE NEXT MONDAY MORNING, I WAS REACHING OUT TO THE, ON THE 19TH.

I WAS REACHING OUT TO DEQ AND STILL TRYING TO FIND WHAT WE ACTUALLY HAD BEFORE I ACTUALLY THROUGH INVESTIGATORS INVOLVED IN IT.

AND ONCE I ACTUALLY FOUND THE CODES FOUND, WHAT WAS I BELIEVE WAS GOING ON AND SAW THAT THERE WAS REASONABLE SUSPICION THROUGH THE, TO, UH, THE COUNTY EMPLOYEE WHO'S CERTIFIED OF THE TRANSFER STATION, UH, TO ACTUALLY WITNESS THIS AND SAY, NO, YOU CAN'T DUMP THIS STUFF HERE.

UH, WE, WE HAD THE REASONABLE POSITION TO MOVE FORWARD.

UM, ON THE 20 I INFORMED I WAS INFORMED BY THE, ON THE 20TH, I WAS TAKING INVESTIGATOR MCDANIELS TO SHOW HIM WHAT CASE I WANTED HIM TO ACTUALLY LOOK INTO.

AS WE PULLED UP TO THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT CENTER, A TOWN EMPLOYEE SAID, I ASKED, I SAID, HEY, IS THERE ANY TRASH TRUCKS COME BACK THERE? AND HE SAID, NO, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED PASS THE GATE, BUT THEY GO INTO THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT CENTER AND THEY GET THAT SLUDGE FROM UNDERNEATH THE COVERING.

AND THEY PUT IT IN THE RESIDENTIAL TRASH TRUCKS AND DRIVE IT TO THE TOWN OR DRIVE IT TO BENTONVILLE.

AND HE GOES, MATTER OF FACT, MON JUST CAME THROUGH.

OKAY, WELL, MCDANIEL, I GUESS WHAT, WE'RE GOING TO THE BENTONVILLE TRANSFER SITE.

SO AS I PULL INTO THE BENTONVILLE TRANSFER SITE, I SEE A TRASH TRUCK OF NUMBER SIX, SIX, FOUR.

HE DUMPS THE TRASH ONTO THE, UH, THE COVERED AWNING WHERE THEY PICK IT UP WITH THE LOADER.

I KNOW THERE'S A TERMINOLOGY FOR IT.

MR. BARRY WOULD PROBABLY KNOW BETTER.

NOW, UM, WALKED UP TO THE TRUCK.

THE DRIVER SAYS, HEY, IT'S NOT ON MY TRUCK.

WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IS ON TRUCK NUMBER SIX, SIX, ONE.

I ALREADY KNOW WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.

I'VE NEVER SEEN IT.

SO I SAID, LOOK, I'M NOT TRYING TO GET ANYBODY IN TROUBLE.

I JUST WANT TO SEE IF WE EVEN HAVE ANYTHING.

SO HE GOES, WHAT YOU LOOKING FOR IS ON SIX, SIX, ONE THAT ALL RIGHT.

SO WE WAITED A LITTLE WHILE AND TRUCK SIX 61 CAME INTO THE LOT TRUCK, DUMPED IT LOAD.

AS IT DUMPED HIS LOAD, WE SAW WHAT JAMIE WAS TALKING ABOUT AND THE LOADER GETS OFF THE LOADER AND SAYS, SHERIFF, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

THAT'S THE SLUDGE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

I STILL HAVE NO IDEA.

I'VE NEVER REALLY SEEN SLOTS, NEVER WORKED AT A WASTEWATER TREATMENT CENTER.

I'VE BEEN IN A LOT OF SEWERS IN KOREA, BUT I'VE NEVER REALLY SEEN A WASTEWATER TREAT.

OTHERS VERY LIMITED THAT IS SUPPOSED TO FIT THROUGH.

ON THE 21ST, WE MET WITH DEQ AT THE VENT BENTONVILLE TRANSFER STATION.

AND WE TOLD THEM OUR CONCERNS TO THE INSPECTOR THAT WAS OUT THERE.

WE STARTED TALKING WITH HIS SUPERVISOR, INVESTMENT INVEST AREA.

MCGAHN MCDANIEL WENT BACK TO THE OFFICE AND WAS CONTACTED BY DEQ WHO SAYS, HEY, WE'LL GO OUT TO THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT CENTER WHILE JOEL COME OUT, THERE IS SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.

SO I TOLD ME DAN WAS GO OUT THERE.

I WASN'T GOING IN BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO MAKE THIS SOME BIG ORDEAL, WELL, ENDED UP BEING BIGGER THAN WE WANTED IT TO BE.

AND I WENT, SHOWED UP AT THE HALF DAY WASTEWATER TREATMENT CENTER.

AND THAT'S WHERE YOU MIGHT'VE HEARD ME MAKE A STATEMENT OF, OF IT SMELLS LIKE SOMETHING.

AND IT LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING.

IT IS PROBABLY SOMETHING I MADE THAT STATEMENT SPOKE WITH THE COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY ON FIVE SIX, JOHN BELL ADVISE COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY VIOLATIONS AND POSSIBLE CIVIL INFRACTIONS.

DUE TO THE AGREEMENT ALSO SPOKE WITH COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, DR.

DALEY, ALL PARTIES HAVE AGREED SEEKING VIOLATIONS OF COUNTY CO'S WAS NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE EMPLOYEES WHO WERE MERELY JUST DOING THEIR JOBS, WHICH THAT'S WHAT REALLY ARE AFFECTED.

AND WE'LL GET INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE AS WE GO ON CRIMINAL CASE AT THIS TIME WILL BE CLOSED FROM THE WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE SIDE OF IT.

THIS RIGHT HERE WAS A PICTURE GIVEN TO US BY DEQ FROM THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT CENTER OF THE HYDRATED SLUDGE.

NOW FROM ALL MY RESEARCH IN THE PAST TWO WEEKS, AND MY VAST KNOWLEDGE OF THIS

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IF YOU CAN PUT THAT IN A PAINT FILTER AND NO LIQUID IS BRINGING OUT, THEN IT'S OKAY TO BE IT'S IT'S BEEN TREATED.

SO I'M GOOD WITH THAT DEFINITION OF SLUDGE ANY SOLID SEMI-SOLID LIQUID WASTE GENERATED FROM PUBLIC MUNICIPAL COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL WASTEWATER TREATMENT, PLANT WATER, SUPPLY TREATMENT PLANT, OR AIR POLLUTION CONTROL FACILITY.

THIS IS SCREENINGS IN GRITS THAT HAVE BEEN DEHYDRATED.

I REALLY NEED Y'ALL TO LOOK AT THESE BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND WHY MR. LANCE HAD CONCERN.

AND WE'LL GET INTO THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD, THAT RIGHT THERE IS DEHYDRATED FROM WHAT I'M FINDING 70, 80% OF IT NEEDS TO BE DEHYDRATED, BUT STILL HAVE A LIQUID CONTENT TO IT.

SO THE DUST AND SO FORTH, DOESN'T GET INTO THE WORKERS AND SO FORTH, BUT ALSO CAN'T BE LIQUID.

SO LIQUIFIED THAT IT'S LEAKING OUT OF TRUCKS ONTO OUR AND SO FORTH AND SO ON.

THAT'S WHY IT HAS TO BE HANDLED A CERTAIN WAY.

SO MY BIGGEST QUESTION TO DEQ AND EPA WAS I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT RIGHT THERE IS TREATED AND IT'S DEHYDRATED, WHAT HAPPENS AND IT'S NOT CONSIDERED SLUDGE, BUT WHAT HAPPENS TO THE, TO THE ITEMS WHEN WATER HAS REHYDRATED IT, I'VE HAD SOME, AND I REALLY DIDN'T WANT TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

THAT SOME SAY, GUESS WHAT A SLUDGE, I GUESS THAT'S WHY THERE'S A PAINT FILTER TEST.

THIS IS THE MEMORANDUM FROM BQ.

UH, THEY PERFORMED A SITE VISIT OF THE FRONT ROW, A WASTEWATER TREATMENT CENTER TO VIEW THE SCREENINGS GRID, SEWAGE SLUDGE THAT IS GENERATED DURING THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PROCESS.

UH, THERE'S QUITE A FEW PEOPLE THERE, AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, HE VIEWED THE SCREENINGS, THE GRID, THE SEWAGE SLUDGE PHOTOS TAKEN DURING THE SITE VISIT ARE INCLUDED, WHICH YOU SAW EARLIER.

UM, AND THE DESCRIPTION OF EACH PHOTO, I HAD ASKED THE QUEUE TO LOOK AT OUR EVIDENCE AND OUR SAMPLES THAT WERE TAKEN AND THEY REFUSED.

SO I JUST SAID, I UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY HAVE HERE, BUT I NEED TO KNOW WHAT WAS DUMPED IN THAT TRASH CAN.

THAT'S WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO KNOW THAT WAY WE CAN DETERMINE TRULY IF THERE WAS A VIOLATION, UM, DEQ CHOSE NOT TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT ACTIVITY.

SO WE HAD TO MOVE FORWARD.

THIS RIGHT HERE IS THE TRASH TRUCK, SIX, SIX ONE.

AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT TRASH TRUCK, THERE IS SOME REALLY DIFFERENT SUBSTANCE IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT.

IT'S EXTREMELY PACKED.

THIS IS THE WATER THAT CAME OFF THE BACK OF THAT TRUCK.

SO I GO, I LIKE I ASKED THE QUE WELL, IF IT'S SUPPOSED TO PASS THROUGH A PAINT FILTER TEST, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT PA THAT DOES THAT THEY STILL REFUSE TO PARTICIPATE IN OUR ACTIVITIES OR ISSUES WE WERE DEALING WITH.

THIS IS THE MATERIALS THAT I PERSONALLY REACHED IN AND GRABBED A NICE SAMPLE OF, BUT AS I HAD SEVERAL EXPERTS LOOK AT THE MATERIAL, THEY DID SAY, YEAH, THIS, IT APPEARS TO BE SCREENINGS AND RAGS HERE.

THERE'S REALLY NO NEED.

YOU'RE GOING TO FIND FECAL MATTER.

AND OTHER, OTHER PRODUCTS LIKE THAT IN THAT MATERIAL.

SO SENDING IT OFF IS JUST GOING TO TELL YOU THE SAME THING AS SAID, I APPRECIATE THAT AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT IS PRETTY LIQUIFIED.

SO I CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE JAMIE LYNN'S MANAGER OF THE TRANSFER STATION HAD MAJOR CONCERNS.

THERE'S ANOTHER PICTURE OF IT.

AND LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GO THROUGH THE COUNTY CODE, WHICH I'VE BEEN THROUGH SECTION ONE OH TWO, AND THERE'S MANY DIFFERENT CODES IN THERE, TALKS ABOUT TRUCKS LEAKING ON OUR ROADWAYS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

AND WE'LL GET INTO THE COUNTY CODES JUST A LITTLE BIT FURTHER ALONG NOW, THIS IS A TRASH TRUCK WITHOUT THAT WASTE COMMERCIAL WASTE, BY THE WAY, THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE.

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THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE.

ALSO, I DON'T SEE ANY WATER ON THE GROUND.

AND WE TOOK A LOT OF NICE PICTURES, VERY GOOD JOB BY OUR INVESTIGATOR PAL, UM, WARREN COUNTY CODE VIOLATIONS.

WELL, FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE EPA STATES, ALL REGULATIONS AND FORCE RUN THROUGH THE STATE LEVEL.

DEQ DEQ STATES THAT THOUGH WARREN COUNTY WASTEWATER TREATMENT CENTER HAD NO VIOLATIONS AT THE STATE LEVEL THAT THEY SAW HOW THE TREATMENT CENTER WAS BEING RUN.

DON'T DISAGREE WITH IT.

THAT'S THE GAZAN CONDUCTED ONSITE, DID NOT INCLUDE THE MATERIAL OBTAINED FROM THE TRANSFER STATION.

WARREN COUNTY COULD BE IN VIOLATION OF ITS CERTIFICATION FOR ACCEPTING IT THOUGH COUNTY CODE.

AND THIS IS ONE OF THEM, ONE OH TWO DASH 11 C COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL WASTE IS PROHIBITED.

IT IS UNLAWFUL FOR ANY PERSON TO POSIT ANY WASTE, INCLUDING SOLID WASTE NON-COMBUSTIBLE WASTE, COMBUSTIBLE WASTE, LIQUID WASTE, OR HAZARDOUS WASTE GENERATED FROM ANY INDUSTRIAL OR COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES IN THE NEAR ANY TRANSFER STATION OWNED BY OR UNDER CON TRACK TO THE COUNTY.

THE COUNTY CODE ONE OH TWO DASH 12.

ANY PERSON WHO VIOLATES ANY PROVISIONS OF THIS ARTICLE SHALL UPON CONVICTION BE PUNISHED BY FINE, NOT TO EXCEED $2,500 AND CONFINEMENT IN JAIL FOR NOT MORE THAN 12 MONTHS EITHER OR BOTH.

NOW THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS A, WE, OUR GOAL IS NOT TO PUT PEOPLE IN GENERAL GOALS TO GET COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAW COUNTY POLICY VIOLATIONS.

SO IF WE LOOK AT THIS AND THIS IS OUR COUNTY CERTIFICATION, THAT WAS PRESENTED TO ME, THAT IS DOWN AT THE TRANSFER SITE AND ON MR. LANCE PRETTY MUCH ALL THE TIME.

THIS SHOWS A LIST OF ALL THE AUTHORIZED AND UNAUTHORIZED WAYS.

THESE ARE ACCEPTABLE.

THESE ARE UNAUTHORIZED WASTE.

SO IF YOU MOVE ON DOWN TO WHERE IT SAYS, HAZARDOUS WASTE, SEWAGE TREATMENT, SLUDGE SEPTIC, OR SEWAGE SCAVENGER WASTE, LIQUID WASTE, OR ANY WASTE EXCEPT RESIDENTIAL AND HOUSEHOLD TRASH CONTAINING FREE LIQUIDS, AS DETERMINED BY THE EPA PAINT FILTER LIQUIDS TEST OUTLINED IN THE EPA PUBLICATIONS, TEST METHODS, EVALUATION, SO ON AND SO FORTH.

SO CLEARLY OUR CERTIFICATION DOES NOT ALLOW OUR TRANSFER SITE TO ACCEPT THAT TYPE OF MATERIAL.

SO MR. LANCE WAS A HUNDRED PERCENT RIGHT TO HAVE SUSPICIONS OF ILLEGAL DUMPING VIOLATION OF THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY.

THIS IS THE ONLY ONE WE COULD FIND DATING BACK TO FEBRUARY OF 2016.

AS YOU LOOK DOWN HERE, WE DO NOT CHARGE THE TOWER FRONT ROLE FOR ANY RESIDENTIAL WASTE RECEIVED.

WE DO CHARGE FOR COMMERCIAL WASTE.

WELL, I'M GONNA LET THE CIVIL, THE ATTORNEYS AND THE GOVERNANCE BODIES FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH THAT.

THAT'S NOT MY, WHAT WE WERE LOOKING INTO NOW, THIS RIGHT HERE IS AN EMAIL, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID BEFORE, YOU LOOK FOR REASONABLE SUSPICION, PROBABLE CAUSE, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO LOOK FOR INTENT.

WE DO BELIEVE THERE WAS INTENT BECAUSE BACK IN 2017, MIKE BARRY SENT AN EMAIL.

THE TRANSFER STATION ASKED DRIVER ABOUT SOME NASTY WASTE AND WAS TOLD WE WERE GETTING WASTEWATER TREATMENT, SLUDGE MATERIAL IN THE RESIDENTIAL LOAD.

FIRST, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT SENDING ANY UNAUTHORIZED MATERIAL TO THE LANDFILL.

NEXT.

WE DO NOT SEND DIRT YARD WASTE LANDFILL, BUT WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT IS.

BATTLE CREEK DOES NOT ACCEPT BIOMEDICAL WASTE ON STABILIZED SEWAGE SLUDGE.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT IS COMING, BUT IF YOU COULD HAVE SOMEONE CALL JAMIE LANDS, TRANSFER STATION MANAGER, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT ALSO.

I'M NOT SURE WHY THE MATERIAL WOULD BE MIXED WITH RESIDENTIAL WASTE TO BEGIN WITH, IF IT IS FROM A COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY, WE'VE KNOWN ABOUT THIS SINCE 2017.

SO TO CONTINUE ON DOING IT, THERE IS INTENT TO CONTINUE DOING IT.

MR. HANNIGAN,

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UH, REPLIED MIKE ROBBIE BOYER IS, AND HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR THE TIME BEING HE US ON THIS.

HE CAN HELP YOU OUT.

NOW.

I DON'T, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES WITH OUR EMAILS, AS OF RIGHT NOW GETTING HER BACK ONES.

SO I DON'T, YOU KNOW, MOVING ON FORWARD.

IT CAN TAKE A LONG TIME TO CLOSE THIS CASE OUT, BUT BECAUSE WE REALLY DON'T SEE, WE DO BELIEVE IT'S MORE OF A CIVIL MATTER BETWEEN THE TWO INCONCLUSIVE.

WE DID FIND REASONABLE SUSPICION CERTIFIED SUPERVISOR OF THE TRANSFER STATION CLAIMS AND LEGAL MATERIAL BEING DUMPED BY THE TOWN HAS ADVISED HIS SUPERVISOR SINCE 2017, SIR, UM, OF HIS CERTIFICATION ON SEVERAL LEVELS AND WAS TOLD TO JUST TAKE IT FIVE WILL CAUSE WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICERS, SEVERAL STATEMENTS REGARDING FLOODS, LIKE MATERIAL BEING PEAKED UP, PICKED UP FROM THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT CENTER, WHICH WAS TRANSPORTED TO THE COUNTY TRANSFER STATION BY THE TOWN OWNED AND OPERATED RESIDENTIAL TRASH TRUCKS, WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE OBSERVED QUESTIONABLE TERRELL BEING DUMPED IN TENT.

WE SAW THE INTENT.

I SHOWED YOU THE INTENT SUMMARY AFTER REVIEWING ALL STATEMENTS, AGREEMENTS, EVIDENCE, POLICIES, PROCEDURES, LAWS, AND CODES, BOTH THE COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY, JOHN BELL IN THE WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE BELIEVED THIS MATTER WOULD BE BEST HANDLED AS A CIVIL INSTEAD OF CRIMINAL MATTER POINT BEING IS WARREN COUNTY KNEW OF IT.

FRONT ROW DID WAS DOING IT AND WE ACCEPTED IT.

WE'RE JUST AS BLUNT TO BLAME AS THE TOWN WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE FINDS BOTH PARTIES HAVE SHARED AMOUNT, SHARED AMOUNT OF OWNERSHIP IN THIS MATTER, THE EVERYDAY WORKERS.

AND I TRULY MEAN THIS.

THESE GUYS OUT THERE DOING THIS JOB, THEY, EVERYDAY WORKERS SHOULD NOT BE PUTTING THE CIP SITUATION, JEOPARDIZING THEIR LIVELIHOOD IS WRONG.

SEMI-MATURE IT'S UNPROFESSIONAL PERIOD.

DR.

DALEY WAS ADVISED.

THE INVESTIGATION COULD NOT DETERMINE HOW MUCH COMMERCIAL WASTE HAD BEEN DUMPED OVER THE PAST FOUR YEARS.

IT WOULD JUST BE SPECULATION.

HE WAS ALSO A BOSS.

WE, WE HAVE FOUND MANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROCESS THAT HAS STILL YET TO BE ANSWERED, BUT BELIEVE THE ENTIRE PROGRAM SHOULD BE REVIEWED, REVISED AND CORRECTED AND READDRESSED SINCE THE TOWN OF FRONT ROW HAS AGREED TO NEVER DUMP THIS WASTE AT THE TRANSFER SITE.

AGAIN, DR.

DALEY AND I BOTH AGREED COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY AND THE SHERIFF COMPLIANCE OF THE LAW IS THE BEST OUTCOME.

AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THE COUNTY DOES NOT WISH TO PURSUE CHARGES OF ANY KIND.

CURRENTLY AT THIS POINT IN TIME DUE TO THIS CONVERSATION, THE CASE WILL BE CLOSED.

PROSECUTION DECLINED.

I THANK YOU ALL FOR HEARING ME OUT AND I WILL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

I HAVE ONE, SIR.

SO NOW WE'RE JUST, IF WE DON'T ACCEPT IT ANYMORE, THEN WHERE WOULD THE TOWN GET RID OF? WELL, THE TOWN'S BEEN GETTING RID OF IT THROUGH A COMPANY CALLED REPUBLIC.

THEY USED LINE CONTAINERS AND DROP IT OFF AT THE BATTLE CREEK LANDFILL.

SO SHE'LL GO SHIT.

IT'S STILL GOING TO THE SAME PLACE.

THEY HAVE PROPER TRUCKS AND EQUIPMENT TO DO SO.

SO THAT WOULD GET US OUT OF THE TRAIN.

WON'T DUMP IT THERE ANYMORE.

FOR THE, FOR THE BOARD'S EDIFICATION, UH, AFTER THE SHERIFF ADVISED US OF THIS, ALL THE EMPLOYEES WERE NOTIFIED.

IF THERE ARE ANY MORE SUCH MATERIALS SHOWS UP OUT THERE, THEY ARE TO NOTIFY MR. BARRY IMMEDIATELY AND THEY SHOULD NOT ACCEPT IT THERE.

AND I BELIEVE HE'S PUT THAT IN WRITING TO THEM THAT THEY WILL NOT, WE WILL NOT ACCEPT IT.

AND IF ANYBODY SEES IT OUT, THEY'RE THERE TO NOTIFY US TO CALL MR. BARRY DIRECTLY IN TALENT.

IF I UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY, AND I HOPE THAT I DO TOWN'S GUILTY.

COUNTY'S GUILTY THAT THE ULTIMATE OBJECTIVE WAS TO GET THEM TO STOP THEM.

THAT'S RIGHT.

AND THEY HAD STOPPED DOING AS FAR AS WE CAN TELL THEM, THEY HAVE AGREED TO STOP.

UM, AT THIS POINT, DON, UM, THEY SAID THAT AT THE, UH, WASTEWATER TREATMENT CENTER, THE TOWN ATTORNEY DID AGREE.

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THAT WAS WHAT WAS SAID.

NOW, ASIDE FROM ALL OF THE STUFF THAT HAS HAPPENED BETWEEN THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED THE END GOAL AND THE END GOAL WAS TO STOP IT.

WE HAVE, AND HOPEFULLY OUR EMPLOYEES AND FELLOW, UM, COUNTY WORKERS AND TOWN WORKERS WILL BE, HAVE A SAFER ENVIRONMENT TO WORK IN.

I PERSONALLY THANK MR. LANCE FOR BRINGING IT UP.

I DID TOO.

AND I BELIEVE THAT THE AWARENESS TO THE PROBLEM IS CLOSER TO WHERE IT WAS BEFORE.

NOW, IF THE TOWN WANTS TO DO SOMETHING, IF THE COUNTY WANTS TO DO SOMETHING, THAT'S BETWEEN THE COUNTY MANAGER, THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND THE TOWN MANAGER AND THE POWERS THAT BE THAT, THAT SUPPORT THEM.

SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING.

THERE'S NO CHARGES PENDING AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THERE ARE NO CHARGES, CAUSE I DO BELIEVE THE COUNTY AND THE TOWN ARE BOTH GUILTY OF VIOLATING ITS OWN AGREEMENTS AND POLICIES.

UM, WAS THERE A LEGAL DUMPING? YES, THERE WAS.

WAS IT HANDLED INAPPROPRIATELY FOR MANY YEARS? YES, IT WAS.

UM, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE DID A COMPLETE INVESTIGATION OF ANY AND ALL ALLEGATIONS.

I'M VERY PROUD OF THE WAY OUR DEPUTIES HANDLED THE SITUATION AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

UM, WE HAVE PRESENTED YOU WITH OUR FINDINGS, FROM OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

UM, I DO BELIEVE SOME, SOME WORKERS WERE PUT INTO A SPOT TO WHERE THEY KNEW OR BELIEVED WHAT THEY WERE DOING COULD BE WRONG, BUT I ALSO BELIEVE THEY FELT POSSIBLY THEIR LIVELIHOOD WAS AT STAKE.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR TO PUT THOSE INDIVIDUALS IN THAT SITUATION.

I THINK IT'S WRONG.

OR THE GOOD PART IS THEY STOOD UP AND TOOK IT.

THEY DID WELL, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN, UM, SOME FEELINGS ON THE TOWN SIDE, UM, THAT THEY HAVE VERBALIZED THAT THEY FEEL FELT LIKE THIS WAS, UM, FOR LACK OF BETTER WORD INTENTIONAL AGAINST THEM.

AND I, I JUST WANT TO STATE HOW THIS CAME ABOUT.

UM, MY PART WAS, UM, WHEN I RAN FOR SUPERVISOR, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I RAN ON WERE, UM, THE SAFETY ISSUES THAT PEOPLE HAVE BROUGHT TO ME ALONG THREE 40 SPECIFICALLY, WELL, THE THREE 40 ALL THE WAY UP IS, CAN BE DANGEROUS AT ANY GIVEN POINT, BUT SPECIFICALLY THERE, UH, FROM SIX 19 TO THE KOA ROAD, IT, THERE ARE IN THAT AREA.

THERE ARE A TOTAL OF 10 LEFT-HAND TURNS.

UM, ALL OF THEM ARE COMMERCIALS, COMMERCIAL TURNS AND THE MOST DANGEROUS OF THOSE IS THE LEFT-HAND TURN ON THE BLIND CURVE GOING ON TO SNAKE ROPE.

THAT'S A 50 MILE AN HOUR ZONE THERE.

SO IF YOU HAVE, UM, TRUCKS OR CARS OR ANYTHING GOING 50 MILES AN HOUR, AND YOU HAVE A VEHICLE SITTING ON THAT BLIND CURVE, GETTING READY TO MAKE A LEFT-HAND TURN AND THEY'RE WAITING FOR NORTHBOUND TRAFFIC TO GO BEFORE THEY CAN TURN YOUR YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO GET TAIL END THERE.

AND IF YOU HAVE, UM, TRUCKS HAULING LOADS, THEN THEY'RE STOPPING DISTANCE.

IT'S JUST NOT THERE.

SO WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT AND WORKING WITH VITA WAS TRYING TO GET THEM TO LOWER THE SPEED LIMIT BECAUSE IF A, ALL THE GARBAGE TRUCKS HAVE TO GO TO THE TRANSFER STATION, IF THEY'RE NOT GOING DIRECTLY ON TO BATTLE CREEK THEMSELVES, THREE 40 GARBAGE TRUCKS CAN GET A PERMIT TO CARRY EXTRA TONNAGE AT THROUGH DMV.

IF THEY HAVE THAT PERMIT IN A 35 45 AND 55 MILES ZONE, THEY HAVE TO DRIVE 10 MILES UNDER THAT SPEED.

SO WHAT I WAS TRYING TO DO WAS GET V DOT AND I WAS GIVING THEM JUSTIFICATION, WHICH YOU HAVE TO GIVE THEM A TON OF.

AND, UM, SO I I'VE WORKED WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.

I WORKED WITH STATE POLICE MOTOR CARRIER TO, UH, TO GET INFORMATION, UM, FIRE AND RESCUE.

I, AS MUCH AS I COULD

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GET, I GOT TO JUSTIFY LOWERING THAT SPEED LIMIT, NOT TO MAKE A SPEED TRAP, BUT TO REQUIRE THEM TO GO 35 MILES SO THAT IF THEY ROLL AROUND THERE WITH AN EXCESS OF 60,000 POUNDS ON THAT TRUCK, THEY MIGHT NOT GET TOTALLY STOPPED BEFORE THEY HIT THAT CAR.

BUT MAYBE THEY WON'T RUN COMPLETELY OVER IT.

THEY'RE STOPPING DISTANCE WOULD BE ABLE TO STOP AT 35 VERSUS 55 50.

SO IN ORDER TO GET THAT, I WAS GOING TO THE TRANSFER STATION, GETTING ALL THE TICKETS, NOT SPECIFYING ANY, I WANT ALL THE TICKETS OF THREE AND FOUR AXLE TRUCKS, AND I WAS MAKING A SPRAY SPREADSHEET.

SO, UM, WE HAD OUR MEETING HERE ON APRIL 13TH TO DISCUSS THE INCREASING PROBLEM LIKE WE DID TONIGHT OF, UM, THE COMPACTOR SITES AND THE GARBAGE AND WHAT WE COULD DO.

SO WE MET HERE, WE WERE WORKING ON THINGS.

I WENT UP THE NEXT DAY TO PICK UP TICKETS FROM MR. LANCE.

AND HE TOLD ME AT THAT POINT, HE ADVISED ME THAT THERE WAS MATERIAL THAT SMELLED LIKE SEWAGE BEING BROUGHT INTO THE TRANSFER STATION, TIPPING FLOOR IN RESIDENTIAL, GARBAGE FROM THE TOWN GARBAGE TRUCKS.

HE SAID, AND NOT ONLY SMELLED LIKE SEWAGE, IT WOULD BE WET AND LEAKING FROM THE TRUCK.

AND HE THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE SLUDGE THAT WAS NOT ALLOWED IT'S TRANSFER STATION.

UH, HE TOLD ME THAT HE HAD ADVISED MR. BARRY AND THAT MR. BARRY HAD ADVISED THE TOWN, BUT THEY JUST KEPT ON DOING IT DESPITE THAT.

AND HE SAID THAT HE FELT AFTER BEING HERE AT THIS MEETING, THAT HE FINALLY HAD BOARD SUPPORT TO BACK UP IN THE, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE WILLING TO TAKE ON THE ISSUES OF THE ILLEGAL DUMPING, ALONG AT THE CONVENIENCE SITES THAT WE HELP HIM OUT WITH THIS.

AND HIS EXACT WORD TO ME WAS THAT HE LIKED WORKING FOR THE COUNTY OF, BUT HE DIDN'T LIKE IT WELL ENOUGH TO GO TO JAIL.

SO ANYBODY THAT TELLS ME THAT FEELS LIKE THERE'S A PROBLEM.

SO I ADVISED DR.

DALEY THE NEXT DAY AND SHARED THE INFORMATION, GAVE HIM, AND HE SAID HE WOULD LOOK INTO IT.

NEXT THING I KNOW, UH, ON FRIDAY THE 16TH, I WENT BACK TO RETURN ONE SET OF TICKETS AND PICK UP THE REST OF THE WEEK'S TICKETS, UM, TO COMPILE MY INFORMATION.

AND YOU WERE THERE WHEN I CAME OUT OF THE SCALE SYSTEM, YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO LOOK INTO, UM, AND LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU FOUND.

AND I THANKED YOU FOR THAT.

AND WE HAD CONVERSATION ON HOW MUCH BETTER THE ROAD LOOKED ON, THREE 40 SINCE ENFORCEMENT WAS GOING ON.

AND THEN TUESDAY, UM, I RECEIVED A CALL THAT YOU HAD FOUND A PROBLEM.

I WAS AT THE DOCTOR'S OFFICE.

I COULDN'T, WE DIDN'T HAVE GOOD SERVICE.

ONE OF THE TWO OF US DID.

SO I HAD VERY LIMITED INFORMATION ON THAT.

AND I DID CONTACT DR.

DALEY THROUGH A TEXT TO FIND OUT IF HE WAS AWARE.

UM, AND AT THAT TIME I ACTUALLY CALLED, UH, VICE MAYOR.

COCKREL ON MY WAY, HOME FROM THE DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT TO LET HER KNOW WHAT LITTLE INFORMATION AND I FELT I OWED HER THAT PR PROFESSIONAL COURTESY, BECAUSE WE HAD BEEN WORKING TOGETHER AS WELL AS MRS. OATES TO, TO HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THE TOWN.

AND I WANT TO HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THE TOWN, BUT I THINK PEOPLE HAVE TO BE AWARE THAT WHEN YOU'RE TOLD SOMETHING AND I, AND I APPRECIATE THAT THE FACT THAT, UM, MR. LENZ FELT HE COULD TRUST US, PRESS ME TO REST ALL OF US, UH, WITH THIS INFORMATION AND TO DO THE RIGHT THING WITH IT.

AND I THINK WE DID DO THE APPROPRIATE THING.

I, I HAVE NOT, AND WILL NOT ACCUSE ANYBODY OF ANYTHING.

AND I HAVE NOT ACCUSED THE TOWN OR ANYONE OPENLY, PUBLICLY PRIVATELY.

IT WAS A CONCERN THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE OBLIGATED TO TAKE CARE OF.

AND WE DID THAT.

AND THE END RESULT, IF THE TOWN IS WILLING TO STOP DOING THIS, THAT'S ALL WE WANT.

BUT I CERTAINLY NEVER STARTED OUT THINKING THAT, YOU KNOW, I WANTED ANYBODY PROSECUTED.

IT WAS SIMPLY, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT JUST DOESN'T SOUND LIKE SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE DOING.

AND IF IT'S AGAINST OUR STUFF AND WE COULD GET IT, MY CONCERN WAS FIRST AND FOREMOST FOR STAFF BEING A NURSE.

I, YOU KNOW, TO ME, THAT'S A BIOHAZARD.

I KNOW FROM, IF YOU CAN'T ACCEPT THE, A RED BAG THAT HAS SOMETHING IN IT, I'M CERTAIN YOU CAN'T, DON'T WANT TO BE DEALING WITH LOOSE FECAL MATERIAL, WHETHER IT'S BEEN TREATED OR UNTREATED AND NOT

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ALL, NO, I'VE NEVER SEEN ANY OF IT EITHER.

SO I'M NOT IN THAT FORM AT LEAST.

BUT, UM, SO I'M HOPING THAT NOW THAT THIS IS OUT IN THE OPEN AND THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU SAID, IF BOTH SIDES HAVE MADE MISTAKES, THEY'VE MADE MISTAKES AND THAT WE MOVE ON FORWARD FROM IT.

AND I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN, UM, WORK OUT AND GET OVER THIS WITH THE, WITH THE TOWN AND MOVE TOWARDS POSITIVE GROUND THERE.

BUT I DO NOT FEEL THAT THERE WAS ANY INTENT TO EMBARRASS HARASS.

IT WAS JUST A, WE NEED TO FIND OUT VERY THE WAY I LOOK AT IT.

I NEEDED TO BE, IS IT VERIFIED? AND IS IT FOUNDED OR UNFOUNDED? AND IF IT WAS FOUNDED, I CERTAINLY WOULD HAVE MADE A CALL TO THE MAYOR AND SAID, SIR, WE HAVE A LITTLE PROBLEM.

CAN WE GET TOGETHER? AND ALL OF US SIT DOWN AND FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, HOW WE SOLVE THIS PROBLEM.

AND I WOULD HAVE BEEN GLAD TO DO THAT.

UM, THIS THING KIND OF GOT BLOWN OUT OF THE WATER, UH, FOR, WITH OVERREACTION INSTEAD OF WAITING UNTIL WE HAD CLARIFICATION, IF WE HAD A PROBLEM OR IF WE DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM.

WELL, I, I CAN ASSURE YOU AS WE PULLED UP TO THE TIPPING TIPPING.

YES, YES, YEAH.

TIPPING FLOOR.

UM, I'M LOOKING AT THIS.

I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

UM, I REALLY DON'T.

UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A CHARGE TO BE MADE OR IT ISN'T BEING MADE.

I JUST KNOW ONE THING IT LOOKED AND IT SMELLED AND IT FELT AS I'M PUTTING IT INTO A SAMPLE CONTAINER.

SO, YOU KNOW, MY DEFINITION OF SOMEONE ELSE'S DEFINITION OF SLUDGE, IT LOOKED LIKE SLUDGE.

UM, I CAN UNDERSTAND HOW MR. LENTZ OR MR. BARRY OR ANYBODY COULD SAY, HEY, YEAH, THAT LOOKS LIKE SLUDGE.

I SAID, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT MY, I'M NOT THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT GUY AND I'M NOT GONNA SIT THERE AND TELL YOU WHAT IS GOOD AND WHAT ISN'T GOOD WHEN IT'S DEHYDRATED, NOT DEHYDRATED, BUT WHEN OUR CODE CLEARLY STATES YOU CAN'T TAKE IT, YOU CAN'T TAKE IT.

AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE DOES NOT INVESTIGATE CASES BASED ON WHO THE COMPLAINANT IS OR WHO THE SUSPECT IS.

WE INVESTIGATE ALLEGATIONS, THAT'S OUR JOB.

AND WE WILL DO IT AS IMPARTIAL AS POSSIBLE AND AS FAIRLY AND EQUAL TO EVERY MEMBER OF THIS COUNTY, BECAUSE EVERY MEMBER OF THIS COUNTY DESERVES THAT.

AND THAT'S HOW THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE WILL BE.

UM, WE ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE WAY WE DO THINGS JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE HAS A NAME OR HAS BEEN DOING SOMETHING FOR 20 SOME YEARS.

THAT'S NOT HOW LAW ENFORCEMENT WORKS, BUT SO WELL, I'LL JUST, I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT.

I'M VERY PROUD OF THE WAY THAT SHERIFF'S OFFICE HANDLED THAT SITUATION THAT HAS BEEN TAKING THE PROFESSIONALLY OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS.

UM, AND I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.

I'LL LET THE PEOPLE OF THE COUNTY ACTUALLY DECIDE.

UM, BUT I THINK SOME PEOPLE SHOULD REALLY NOT ACCUSE UNTIL ALL THE FACTS ARE THERE.

I HEARD A LONG TIME AGO, ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, THE WORDS TRUST AND VERIFY.

AND I BELIEVE THAT WE ACCOMPLISHED THAT THIS LAST TWO WEEKS.