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[A. Call to Order]
EVENING, EVERYONE.I'M GOING TO CALL THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WORK SESSION FOR SEPTEMBER 14TH TO ORDER.
[B. Discussion – Ongoing County Projects – Jeff Hayes]
ON THE AGENDA IS ONGOING COUNTY PROJECTS, MR. HAYES.AND I APOLOGIZE THAT WE TOOK SO LONG LAST WEEK THAT YOU DIDN'T GET TO DO THIS.
YEAH, YOU DON'T MISS THOSE VA APPOINTMENTS.
WE DO HAVE A BLACKLIST PRESENTATION, SOME PHOTOS THAT, UM, FIRST THING WILL BE THE NEW OFFICE SPACE THAT WE'RE COMPLIANT THAT WE ARE PROVIDING FOR THE COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY'S OFFICE FURNITURE SHOWED UP, UH, ROUGHLY FOUR WEEKS EARLY.
UH, NOT EVERYTHING SHOWED UP, UH, HERE TO SAY VIEW OF THE DESK CHAIR.
UH, THE ROOM SIZE IS A 10 BY 12, SO IT'S QUITE LARGE.
WE'RE SETTING UP TWO IN THIS FASHION.
SO THEY'LL BE COMING IN AS YOU COME IN DOWN THE HALLWAY.
SO THERE'LL BE TWO OFFICE SPACES ON THIS SIDE.
AND TWO, ON THE OTHER SIDE, WE ARE HAVING SOME DIFFICULTY, UH, ROMAN SIDE WALLS.
SO WE'RE MAKING ADJUSTMENTS, GETTING A COUPLE OF THINGS REORDER, UH, NOT ONLY THE COUNTY SIDING WOULD SAY MILLER A MISTAKE, AND THEY DID A COUPLE OF MEASUREMENTS.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIX THAT OUT THE PHONES.
UH, WE'RE ALSO UP THAT THIS WEEK, ALONG WITH THE POWER, BUT WE'RE BASICALLY STANDING BY WE'RE A LITTLE AHEAD OF SCHEDULE.
WE HOPE TO BE COMPLETED RIGHT AROUND THE 15TH OF OCTOBER.
THE, UH, STAFF HAS POKED HER HEAD IN A FEW TIMES AND THEY REALLY LIKED WHAT THEY'RE SEEING.
IT'S A LOT LARGER THAN THEY ANTICIPATED.
SO WE'RE RIGHT ON TRACK FOR THAT TO KEEP THEM GOING.
MR. HAYES FOR MOMMY, HOW MANY ADDITIONAL OFFICES? WELL, THE COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY'S OFFICE NOW, HUH? WE'VE SET UP FOR FOUR.
THEY ASKED US TO REDUCE IT TO TWO AND SET UP ONE AS A FILE ROOM IN THE FOURTH AS A MEETING OR SO LATER ON, WE WENT AHEAD AND WIRED IT AND HAD PHONES.
AND SO WE CAN ADD IT OR MAKE AN OFFICE SPACE FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD AS THEY OPT NOT TO USE THE NEW, UM, UH, ARCHIVES ROOMS. BUT WE WENT AHEAD AND GOT THEM DESIGNATED DESIGNATED SPACE.
SO THEY CHOOSE TO USE IT NEXT YEAR.
THEIR SPACE IS ALLOCATED ALREADY SPACE PLANNING.
WE HAVE THE SPLASH PAD, 2 BILLION THAT, UH, AD TAX WHERE RETIREES DONATED $50,000 TO US, THAT PROJECT HAS STARTED.
UH, AND THIS PHOTO, IT SHOWS YOU A LITTLE BIT BETTER OF REFERENCE TO THE SPLASH PAD.
MORE WE'LL GO, UH, WE'VE DONE IT.
THE FOOTER FOR WAKING ONCE A WEEK BAR, THEY WILL POUR THE FOOTERS IN.
UH, MATERIAL HAS BEEN ORDERED.
OUR GOAL WAS TO DO IT BY THE 1ST OF OCTOBER, BUT MATERIALS ARE DRAGGING OUT WITH WHOEVER YOU CAN STOP, BUT THAT IS PARKS AND REC.
NUMBER ONE PROJECT AS MATERIALS COMES IN AND IT'S AVAILABLE.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, HERE'S WHERE THE STAGE IS.
SO IT LEFT THIS HALF ALL GRASSY, AND THIS IS WHERE THE BRIDGE CROSSES OVER TO THE BALLPARK.
SO WHENEVER YOU HAVE, WHEN YOU DO SEPARATE EVENTS, HALF CAN SET UNDERNEATH AND THE OTHER HALF CAN SET OUT IN THE SUN, SHADE, MOONLIGHT, WHATEVER.
AND WE DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE OUT LIKE MR. CARTER SAID, DON'T TAKE UP THAT WHOLE NICE KNOLL WAS TRYING TO KEEP IT TO ONE SIDE AND THAT'S WORKED OUT.
OF COURSE, ALL THE PERMITS BEEN APPROVED AND WE'RE ROLLING WITH IT.
NEXT IS THE, UH, RIVERMONT FIRE STATION, UH, MOTORS CROSSOVER.
UH, THE CHARTERS DROPPED THIS OFF, WHERE HE GOT HOLD OF THE DOCTOR WAS A V DOTS, A LOT BRADLEY NEXT TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT RIGHT OFF SIX 19.
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THAT'S WHEN YOU RELY ON THEIR STAGING FOR MILLING AND GRAVEL, WHATEVER, STILL WORK.AND, UH, WORKING WITH ME DOC, WHEN WE GO AND VOTE HERE, THEY DON'T WANT ALL THE TRAFFIC STUCK ON THE AIRPORT ROAD PUTS YOU HAVE TO CROSS TRAFFIC TO EXIT.
SO WE'RE GOING TO BRING EVERYBODY IN KAPLAN UP THE ROAD.
THEY'LL COME IN THROUGH THE SMALL PARKING LOT PARK VOTE IN THAT, SIT OUT THE FRONT, UH, WORKING WITH V DOT AND ALSO PUBLIC WORKS.
WE'RE STILL WORKING ON A LITTLE BIT OF SIGNAGE.
SO THEN THAT WAY WE HAVE A ONE-WAY FLOW THROUGH THE PARKING LOT.
UNFORTUNATELY, WON'T BE VOTING HERE, UH, THIS, UH, NEXT ONE FIRST A MONTH.
YEAH, OFFICIALLY THEY, I HAVE THE PAPERWORK IN TIMES, LIKE A 90 DAY NOTICE BEFORE YOU MOVED BY PRECINCT AIRPORT TERMINAL.
SO YOU HAVE TEMPORARY SIGNS UP THE DAY YOU VOTE YES.
WE, I, AS YOU SEE THE FLAGS, ONCE WE GET OUR SIGNAGE IN, YOU WILL BE.
AND THAT'S THE ONLY DAY WE DOCKED IN, ALLOW US TO OPEN THAT BECAUSE THEY USE IT QUITE OFTEN AND THEY HAVE A LIST OF DATES THAT WE'RE GOING TO USE THE PARKING LOT.
ACTUALLY ME DOT CAME THROUGH THIS WEEK AND WE GRAVELED THE PARK.
SO THAT HAS REALLY WORKED OUT NICE.
SO HERE'S OUR NEXT, UH, PROJECT WE HAVE GOING ON OR COMING TO AN END, ACTUALLY THE EYE MOVEMENT IN SPACE FOR THE, UH, FIREHOUSE STATION SEX.
UH, WE'RE HAVING SOME ISSUES OUT AT THE OLD, UH, HEIGHT ATTRIBUTE SOME MAJOR RENOVATIONS IN THE AIR, BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAD TO GET STAFF OUT TO A SAFE LOCATION UNTIL WE CAN INVESTIGATE THE OLD STATION THAT YOU HEAR FROM THE VOLUNTEERS, UM, CHIN, ARMS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO THAT IS SIX, NOT RIVER CORRECTION.
UH, WE'VE CLEANED THE DOCK WE PAINTED, UH, THIS IS THE KITCHEN AREA.
THEY GOT A TABLE, SOME CHAIRS.
THIS IS A BREAK ROOM FOR THEM.
A COUPLE OF COUCHES AND CHAIRS.
UH, WELL YOU CAN EITHER SERVE IT THROUGH THE WINDOW.
SO ALL OF THIS WAS BASICALLY THERE.
WE NEEDED TO CLEAN IT UP, PAINTED, GET ALL THE CLUTTER OUT.
HERE'S THE PART OF THE KITCHEN.
WE MOVED THE WORK MACHINE AND DRYER.
WE TOOK EVERYTHING OUT IN THE OLD STATION THAT YOU CAN USE.
SO IT'S VERY CLEAN, VERY NICE SMALL IN THE SPACES EXCEPT FOR THE HALL ITSELF.
UH, WE HAD TO END UP PUTTING UP THE FIRE SUPPRESSION ALARM IT.
SO THAT'S BEEN DONE IN CASE ANYTHING IN MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT WHILE THEY'RE SLEEPING.
THEN WE ALSO, UM, GOT THE RADIO TRANSFERRED OVER.
WE GOT THE PHONES TRANSFERRED OVER.
SO THEY'RE SET FOR SOME TIME ON WE'D BACK UP AND REGROUP AND FIND OUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.
I WAS OVER THERE SATURDAY AND THEY WERE TALKING TO ME ABOUT, UM, UH, THE USE OF THE RESTAURANTS.
UH, THE RUSSIANS ARE FULLY OPEN.
THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH, AND THE MAINTENANCE PEOPLE CAN'T USE THAT BUILDING THEY'RE THERE.
THEY WERE TOLD AND DIRECTED TO GO TO THE REC CENTER TO GO TO THE RESTAURANT.
IF SO, WE'LL HAVE TO WORK OUT.
YOU CAN TAKE CARE OF THAT AND LOOK INTO THAT COST.
DEFINITELY THE STACK THAT HELPS MOVE IN.
WELL, THAT'S THE WAY THAT I LOOKED AT IT TOO.
AND I WAS A BIT CONCERNED THAT THEY COULDN'T USE IT.
ESPECIALLY AFTER THEY'RE THE GUYS WHO WAS LIKE PARKS AND RECS FOREIGN PARKLAND, THE SANITARY DISTRICT, EVERYBODY PITCHED IN TO GET THIS DONE.
AND THAT WAS NOT ONLY BAD THING THAT I HEARD CALLED ALL SATURDAY.
AND THEY SORT OF GOT BOOTED OUT TO MOVE INTO FIREMEN.
I'M PRETTY SURE IT'S JUST A MISCOMMUNICATION THERE.
UH, OF COURSE THIS WAS ALL WITHIN A TWO WEEK PERIOD ON IT OUT THERE EVERYBODY'S COME IN.
THEY HELP THE FIRE DEPARTMENT SELLS ARTS PEOPLE IN PUBLIC, REALLY GREAT JOB.
WE'RE NAVY THING IN THE MASTERMIND.
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SO IT'S REALLY TURNED OUT WELL FOR WHAT WE HAD IN BELIEVE THIS OR NOT PROBABLY ABOUT 90% OF WHAT WE DID WAS GOING TO BE EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO FOR THE SHOP.WE WERE ONLY IN THE SAME ROOM AND WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE THE KITCHEN.
SO WE'RE PRETTY MUCH TRYING TO STICK TO THAT SAME PLAN AS WELL.
SO ONCE WE DO FIX THEIR STATION AND THE CEMETERY DISTRICT COMES BACK, IT'LL BE THAT MUCH FURTHER AHEAD FOR THEM IN THEIR PROCESS.
SO THAT'S WORKED OUT PRETTY WELL, EXCEPT FOR THE FOREIGN DEPARTMENT IS HELPING US FUND IT FOR SOME MONEY RIGHT NOW.
AND THAT'S WHERE I WORK WORKING WITH, UH, THIS IS THERE A BREAK ROOM, A COUPLE OF COUCHES AND CHAIRS.
WE PUT SOME SHELVING IN AND THAT'S THE, UH, STATION CAPTAIN'S DESK, COUPLE OF BUNK BEDS.
WE MOVED OVER AND THERE IS TWO BUNK ROOMS SEPARATE AND THERE'S THREE BUCKS OR THREE RACKS IN EACH.
THE BATHROOMS ARE FULLY OPERATED.
YOUR SHOWERS IN HERE ARE HANDICAP SHOWERS.
IT'S BASICALLY THE PERSON HAS GOT THEIR OWN.
SO IS IT SET UP SO THAT FEMALES HAVE FEMALES CAN USE IT AS WELL AS THE MALES? YES, SIR.
SO WE HAVE TWO SEPARATE PUMP ROOMS AND TWO SEPARATE BATHROOM.
THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DID FOR EVERYBODY.
THE LAST THING WE HAVE TO DO, UH, MR. BEANS, THREE BIG ITEMS FOR US TO DO WAS TO PUT THE FARM SYSTEM IN, PUT A RANGE HOOD IN FOR THE STOVE, WHICH WORD IT SHOULD HAVE GOT DONE TODAY.
AND THE LAST THING IS PANIC HARDWARE.
LIKE WE HAD A LITTLE DOOR BACK HERE AND THAT'S LIKE 30 DAYS AFTER.
AND ONCE WE GOT IN THE WATER AND THE LAST THING WE HAVE TO DO, AND HE'S BEEN VERY HELPFUL AND JUST VERY HELPFUL.
UH, ONE MORE QUESTION ON THAT IF YOU WILL, DID WE END UP WITH IS THE SAME AS MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THE RECREATION ROOM IS WHAT IS IN THE OLD, OLD CAR DEPARTMENT.
AND NOT IN THE LIVING QUARTERS ARE THE BUNK ROOMS, OUR KITCHEN, WE PROBABLY HAD THE SAME, THE BUNK ROOMS ARE VERY TIGHT AND THE, UH, THEY ROOM IS MAYBE A QUARTER OF THE SIZE AS IT WAS IN THEIR ORIGINAL.
AND OF COURSE THE OTHER ONES WAS A CONFERENCE ROOM.
SO THEY HAVE PLENTY OF ROOM THERE, BUT IT'S REAL TIGHT IN THE BUNK ROOMS. LIKE THEY WERE HAPPY.
THE RECREATION ROOM IS THAT AS LARGE AS IT PROBABLY FOUR TIMES THE SAUCE.
SO IT'S MUCH LARGER THAN, THAN, OKAY.
THE ONLY THING IS TIED TO THE BUMP IS THE BUNK ROOM IN THE DAY ROOM, ET CETERA.
AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE BIG BANQUET HALL.
THEY DO WANT US TO COME BACK IN.
ONCE WE ASSESS THE OLD STATION, THEY WANT US TO BUILD A COUPLE OF ROOMS. SO THEY CAN STILL AT THAT STAGE IS WHERE YOU GO TO GET ALL YOUR OUTFIT AS YOU BECOME A FIREMAN.
SO THAT'S WHERE ALL YOUR GEAR IS.
SO STATION SIX IS WHERE YOU GO TO GET THAT.
SO WE WANT TO MOVE THAT UP, BUT IT WASN'T, YOU KNOW, EMERGENCY AT THIS TIME, BUT IT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DO.
SO ALL OF THAT YEARS LOCKED UP IN SECURE, AND THIS IS NOT A PERMANENT SOLUTION, NO.
OR GOING TO HAVE TO BE THINKING IN THIS NEXT YEAR ABOUT OUR, WHEN TO RENOVATE THE OLD FIRE STATION, PUT THAT BACK TOGETHER AND THAT'S GOING TO BE A SIGNIFICANT COST.
AND SO THEY'RE GOING TO RENOVATE OH, FIRE DEPARTMENT.
AND THEY WILL MOVE BACK BECAUSE THIS BUILDING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, THAT'S GOING TO BE THE MAINTENANCE SHOP.
THIS IS JUST BECAUSE THE EXISTING FIRE STATION, QUITE FRANKLY, IT WAS A DISASTER.
AND WE NEEDED TO GET OUR PEOPLE OUT OF THERE.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'VE MOVED THEM OVER HERE, BUT THEY'LL HAVE TO GO BACK AND WE'D, WE'D LIKE TO GET THIS DONE IN A YEAR.
IT MAY TAKE LONGER, BUT IT'S, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF MOVING BACK AND THE ESTIMATE OF THE COST OF IT.
AND WE'LL SEE, ONCE WE GET A PARENTAL ELEMENT PRELIMINARY, LOOK AT THIS THING, WE'LL GET A BETTER IDEA OF HOW MUCH OF THE WORK OUR CREWS COULD DO.
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THESE GUYS ARE VERY TALENTED AND THEY WORKED VERY WELL TOGETHER.AND YOU LOOK AT WHAT THEY'VE DONE OVER AT THE LAUNDROMAT AND WHAT THEY'VE DONE OUT HERE.
YOU CAN SEE THE KIND OF WORK THEY CAN DO.
AND WE BRING THESE TWO GUYS FROM OVER AT PARKS OVER WITH THE OTHER CREW AND PUT THEM IN ONE BIG CREW.
WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE THAT.
YES, WE ARE VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE THEM.
WE'RE GOING TO FIND, WE CAN DO A LOT MORE OF THESE SMALL CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS OURSELVES AND NOT HAVE TO CONTRACT THEM SAY, RIGHT.
SO THE NEW COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR COMES ABOARD.
WE HAVE REALLY RAMPED UP WHAT WE CAN DO IN HOUSE AND DO OURSELVES.
SO THAT IS CONTAINED TO RAMP UP AND SAVE THIS TIME.
DALEY WAS THAT AND ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN OR IS THAT, YOU KNOW, AN EMERGENCY, THIS, THIS WOULD, THIS WAS DONE BECAUSE IT WAS DEPLORABLE.
THE CEILING I WENT DOWN, UM, WAS CALLED, UM, CHIEF ANZANO ASKED ME TO GO DOWN.
I'M NOT SURE WALT, IF YOU WENT DOWN AS WELL, UM, I HAD SEEN IT BEFORE THE CEILING WAS LITERALLY, THE CEILING LITERALLY FELL THROUGH.
UM, THERE WAS NO SAFETY EXIT IF THERE WAS A FIRE AND THEY WERE IN THE BUNK ROOMS, THERE WAS NO WAY FOR THEM TO GET OUT.
THEY'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE FIRE TO GET OUT MY IMPRESSION AND I'M VERY CONSERVATIVE, BUT MY IMPRESSION IS A BULLDOZER WOULD BE THE BEST THING TO HAPPEN TO THAT BUILDING.
IT WAS IN THAT BAD, A SHAPE, UM, THE ELECTRICAL WIRING, WE'RE JUST VERY FORTUNATE.
WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY MAJOR ISSUES THAT SOMEBODY COULD GOT HURT IN THAT BUILDING.
RIGHT? A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY RE REPOSSESSED THIS MOMENT FROM THE VOLUNTEERS AND THIS WAS IN A, ANOTHER COUNTY.
SO WE HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT PERMITS, ANYTHING DONE.
UM, THE FARM REQUEST PUBLIC WORKS COME DOWN AND TIDY UP.
LOOK AT SOME WALL, STRAIGHTEN UP THE DRYWALL AS THEY STARTED CUTTING DRYWALL OUT OPENING.
UM, SPEED RECORDS WAS WIRES, EXTENSION CORDS RUN THROUGH THE CEILING.
THE AIR CONDITION HAD NO DRAIN.
THE, UH, PART OF THE BUILDING IS A COMEX AND IS AS WE OPENED IT UP, WE STARTED FINDING MORE STUFF, MORE STUFF.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE FINALLY SAID, WE NEED TO STOP HERE AND GET OUR PEOPLE OUT.
I WAS WONDERING BECAUSE I HADN'T SEEN IT ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
AND SO I DID NOT UNDERSTAND WHY THE URGENCY OF IT NOW, IF IT WASN'T ON THE PLAN.
THE BUILDING, THE OLD BUILDING IS STILL IN.
IT'S PRETTY MUCH IN ITS CONDITION.
IF ANYBODY WANTS TO GO OUT AND SEE IT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME OUT AND SEE IT.
UH, WE CAN'T HAVE PEOPLE LIVING IN THERE.
FORTUNATELY, OUR CREWS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO THE WORK, WHICH IS MEAN WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO THE OTHER BUILDING WITH MINIMAL COST RATHER THAN HAVING TO CONTRACT THE WHOLE THING OUT.
WELL, I KNOW THAT IN MY PAST EXPERIENCE, IT'S SOMETIMES CHEAPER TO JUST BUILD A NEW ONE THAN IT IS TO REMODEL.
LUCKY FOR US THE THREE DAYS THAT THE EQUIPMENT IS IN NEEDS, VERY LITTLE RENOVATION.
I WOULD REWIRE AS FAR AS THE HOUSING, THAT'S THE MAIN ISSUE WE'RE ADDING.
SO THE EQUIPMENT THAT'S IN THE THREE BAYS IS FINE.
WE'LL PROBABLY DOCTOR IT UP A LITTLE BIT MORE MEANING LOOK AT IT.
IT'S MAINLY THE, HOW WILL OFFICE STRUCTURE THAT WE'RE HAVING ISSUES WITH? WELL, ONE OF THE BASE KIND OF SHORT FOR THE, THE LADDER TRUCK THAT'S IN THE HOUSING WHERE THEY HAD THE TWO SMALL GARAGE, BUT TO THE LEFT SIDE WAS THE THREE LARGE BAGS AND ALL OF THAT FITS IN THERE.
BUT WHEN WE GO BACK, HOW ABOUT THE LADDER TRUCK? I KNOW THAT THE BIG LACK OF TRUCK GOING WILL FIT IN STATION.
I THINK THE, THE TRUCK AREA, IT'S THE BUILDING KIND OF SETS AT AN L AND THIS IS WHERE THE BIG TRUCKS ARE ON THIS END AND THAT IS BETTER SHAPE.
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I KNOW, UM, CAPTAIN CERN, I HAD MOVED A DESK AND THEN HE SHOWED ME WHERE IF YOU KICK THE BOTTOM OF THE WALL, THE BOTTOM SUPPORT IS GONE.AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WHETHER YOU HAVE TO, HOW MUCH YOU, YOU KNOW, JUST PUT ANOTHER PIECE OF METAL OR STEEL THERE TO SUPPORT THAT.
IT'S NOT LIKE THE ROOF IS GOING TO FALL IN OR ANYTHING, BUT IT DOES KICK OUT WHICH IT SHOULD.
BUT, UM, BUT THE, THIS PART WHERE YOU WOULD GO IN AND IT'S A BAY, AND THEN YOU GO INTO THE KITCHEN AND THEN THE LIVING QUARTERS THAT IS SHORTER.
I THINK THAT'S THE END THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT WAY, LIKE A BRUSH TRUCK OR SOMETHING WOULD FIT IN THAT, BUT NOT A BIGGER PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.
AND THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT EITHER RAISING THE ROOF OR GETTING A DIFFERENT GARAGE DOOR OR SOMETHING.
THAT'S PART OF THE PART THAT THE BULLDOZER.
SO WE'LL PUT IT UP, GET IT LIKE ENGINEER.
WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH FRED, ANDREA, GET THEM TWO TOGETHER AND GO OUT AND DO AN ASSESSMENT.
ONCE WE FINISHED GETTING ALL THOSE SMALL ITEMS. BUT ONCE THAT DUST SETTLES FOR RANGE FOR THEM TO COME OUT, HERE WE GO, MORGAN, FOR, UH, WE HAD A MEETING WITH THE ORIGINAL AQUATICS MANAGER WITH DEPARTMENT OF WILDLIFE WHERE WE, KAREN AND I MET THEM OUT AT THE SITE, UH, STEVE, AND HE MANAGES ALL THE SITES FOR WILDLIFE.
AND WE SHOWED HIM OUR ORIGINAL PLAN THAT WE HAD THAT HAD THE BOAT BRANCH.
IT HAD TREES, IT HAD BUSHES, IT HAD TRASH CANS.
IT HAD ALL KINDS OF SIGNAGE AND ALL OF THAT.
AND HE CAME DOWN AND TALKED TO US AND SAYS, HEY, YOU GUYS GOTTA MAINTAIN THAT FOR 25 YEARS.
THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE LEARNED OVER THE YEARS.
NO TRASH CANS, PEOPLE WOULD DRIVE BY THE DUMPSTER.
TRASH CAN GO ON DOWN THE ROAD AND WE WATCHED IT HAPPEN.
AND, UH, THE WATER IN THAT AREA IS NOT DEEP ENOUGH FOR A RAMP FOR LAUNCHING BOATS.
THEN WE GOT TO LOOKING AT, UH, WHAT IS THE BEST THING TO DO? AS KAREN SAID, LET'S GIVE IT A GOOD UPBRINGING.
THAT'S WHAT WE HAD, UH, PHOTOS OF 57 CARS PARKED THERE EVERY WHICH WAY YOU CAN TALK TO PARK.
SO WE SAT BACK DOWN, THE PRYOR HAD SLOTS LIKE THIS, SO YOU CAN BRING YOUR BOAT IN YOUR TRUCK, BUT THIS IS NOT A VETERINARIAN.
SO WE TRY TO MAXIMIZE THE PARKING SPACES THAT WE CAN USE AND ALSO KEEP IT FLOOD RESISTANCE.
SO THIS IS WHERE THE BRIDGE BEGINS RIGHT HERE.
I GOT WENT OUT THERE LAST WEEK WITH THE STORE AND THAT'S WHERE THE WATER STOPPED IN THE BRIDGE.
SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE WATER COMES ACROSS THE ROAD IN THIS ALMOST TURNS INTO A RIVER.
SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS DESIGNED TO PARKLAND WHAT THEY CALL A SHEET FLOW.
SO ALL THE WATER WILL RUN OFF TOGETHER AND IT DOESN'T GET INTO THE CHANNEL.
WHEN YOU GET INTO THE CHANNELING, THAT'S WHAT CAUSES THE GROUPS AND TAKES AWAY THE GRAVEL AND ALL THAT.
SO WE'VE ASKED A LPA TO REDESIGN A WE'RE ALREADY GOING TO END UP WITH ONE LIGHT NEAR THE REC THE, UH, JOHNNY BLUE PAD.
AND WE'LL, WE'LL BE ABLE TO DIRECT THAT, UH, IT WILL SPEED THE SAME TYPE SOLAR.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT POWER GOING FLOODS AND ALL THAT, UH, IS ALSO PROGRAMMABLE.
SO YOU CAN MAKE IT A MOTION SENSOR.
ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE IT COME A LITTLE DUST TO DAWN? OR WE CAN HAVE IT COME ALONG FOR FOUR HOURS.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF ENDLESS POSSIBILITIES.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL WORK WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, HOW WE WANT TO USE THAT AT OUR EVENT.
PLUS, IT'D BE UP FOR COMING IN, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT AND YOU START WALKING UP THAT LIGHT WON'T COME ON BEFORE, AND IT'S NOT DOWN WHERE EVERYBODY'S AT.
SO IF YOU'RE TRYING TO CATCH FISH, YOU DON'T KNOW ALL THAT AND DIP IT, RIGHT.
THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE TO GET IN THAT AREA FOR FISHING.
WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THE LARGE TREE
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THAT WE HAVE IN THIS ONE SPOT.I THINK IT'S A 50, 50 YOU ONE V DOT DID THE BRIDGE.
THERE REALLY BACK-FILLED A LOT AROUND THE TRUCK, BUT WE WANT TO ATTEMPT TO KEEP IT.
THE, A SPACE HERE IS A ONE ACRE THAT THE COUNTY PURCHASED AS PART OF THE IMPROVEMENTS.
SO WE ARE KEEPING THE LOT LESS THAN AN ACRE TALKING TO THE BUILDING OFFICIAL.
SINCE IT'S LESS THAN ONE ACRE, HE CAN APPROVE THE ENS PLAN.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO TO DQ SO WE CAN EXPEDITE THIS, WHICH WE PLAN ON DOING IT.
IN-HOUSE WITH OUR PEOPLE, WITH OUR TRYING TO KEEP IN, UH, I BELIEVE IT'S A HUNDRED THOUSAND GRANTS, BUT THEN YOU GOT TO REMEMBER PLAYING TAKES A GOOD CHUNK OF IT.
FIND THE PROPERTY OF THE TRUNK.
WE HAD TREES AND STUFF REMOVED.
SO ONCE WE WERE AT 75%, UH, COMPLETE, WE WILL HAVE THE FINAL PLANS BY THE END OF, UM, SEPTEMBER.
AND IT WILL TAKE US ABOUT THREE TO FOUR WEEKS TO GET THE PLANS THROUGH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT FOR APPROVAL.
MEANWHILE, WE WILL BE RUNNING THE ESTIMATES FOR GROUNDING OR EQUIPMENT INITIAL WEEKEND, CAUSE WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A COST ON THIS YET.
THE ORIGINAL WAS LIKE THREE ORIGINALLY.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO REALLY REDUCE THIS GOOD FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS WITH THE MONEY THAT WE'RE GRANTED WITHOUT MOVING THE OUTSIDE CLASS.
IS THIS GOING TO BE ON GRAVEL PARKING LOT? YES, SIR.
UP HERE, UH, WE'LL USE THE GEO TEXTILE THERE.
WE'RE GOING WITH 12 INCHES OF RICK BRAT WILL WANT TO CHECK THAT OUT WITH A STONE, LIKE NUMBER THREE, THEN WE'LL PUT CRUSH AND RUN ON TOP OF IT AND HOW IT PARKING SPACES BE MARKED ON THE GROUND WAS SO THAT YOU HAVE ORGANIZED PARKING.
UH, WE WANT TO BE USING, UH, STOPS PARKING STOPS.
SO IT'D BE SELF-EXPLANATORY YES, SIR.
PRETTY MUCH LIKE A STATION TWO IS IN THE GRAVEL PARKING LOT.
SO IF WE DO GET A FLOOD, YOU GET A LOT OF TRASH AND NOBEL RHONDA TRACTOR STRAIGHT DOWN THE CENTER WITHOUT HITTING THE PARKING LOT, TRYING TO MAKE IT VERY EASILY TO MAINTAIN.
AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE GOALS.
SO WE'LL PROBABLY GET BY THERE IN FIVE YEARS WHERE WE GET A LITTLE BIT MORE FLOOD EATING SOONER THESE DAYS.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO DO THAT AS WE GOTTA MAINTAIN IT FOR 25 YEARS AT OUR EXPENSE.
SO WHAT APPEARS THAT IT'S BEEN SCALED BACK TREMENDOUSLY FROM WHAT WE DISCUSSED IN THE SPRINGTIME, BECAUSE I REMEMBER THE RESIDENTS COMING IN AND THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE LIGHTS BEING ON ALL NIGHT AND HAVING IMPACT ON THE RESIDENTS AND THE ANIMALS AND YOU KNOW, ALL THE, AND SO THERE'S GOING TO BE NONE OF THAT NOW.
SO THEY'LL, I'M SURE THEY'LL BE HAPPY TO, TO KNOW THAT WHEN THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT LIKE TOTAL NINE LIGHTS AND THEN NOW WE'VE GOT ONE AND THEN THAT'S ONE LESS THAN THAT.
AND SO THE LIGHT IN THE SOLAR DRIVEN IS DIFFERENT THAN LIGHT.
AND, AND THE BIG CONCERN, NOT ONLY WAS THERE TATION THAT THAT WAS GOING TO BE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT YOU GET A FLOOD.
IF WE USE GRANT MONEY TO PUT IN LIGHTS FOR 25 YEARS, YOU GOT TO RE WE HAVE TO PAY TO PUT THEM BACK.
AND I MEAN, WE COULD GET THREE OR FOUR FLOODS A YEAR.
AND I THINK THE AVERAGE COST WAS 20,000 OR SOMETHING PER LIGHT.
OH, THAT ANSWER, THAT CAN GET THE ADS UP QUICKLY.
I THINK IT'S FUNCTIONAL AND IT'S, AND IT, IT PROVIDES WHAT IT NEEDS FOR THAT AREA.
IT'S NOT A, AND IT'S NOT A BOAT RAMP AND BECAUSE OF THE DEPTH OF WATER THERE.
SO I THINK THAT THIS IS A GREAT, YOU'LL STILL BE ABLE TO DRIVE DOWN TO THE WATER AND DROP OFF YOUR KAYAKS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
WE HAVE TO GET THEIR UNDERSTANDING SINCE WE'RE NOT TOUCHING THIS, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE MAINTAINING BECAUSE THIS FLOODS ALL THE TIME, ISN'T THAT AREA, THE AREA THAT'S BEING USED BY THE COMMERCIAL.
UM, SO NOW THERE'S A COMMERCIAL ENTITY FROM THE, FROM THE GOLF COURSE, THAT'S USING THIS AS THE, YOU DON'T THINK HE'S NOT GETTING OUT AT THIS SITE.
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ON THE TRIP.I'M SURE IT WILL PICK UP, BUT THAT WON'T IMPACT OUR PARKING LOT.
GO SELL, PULL WAY DOWN HERE, COME BACK.
WE'RE TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO ORGANIZE SAFELY AT NICE PLACES TO PARK.
KIDS CAN GET OUT AND EITHER GO DOWN TO THE WATER AND IT'S OPEN 24 7.
AND WHEN DOES IT START? WE ARE LOOKING TO START YOUR PROJECT ON NOVEMBER AND COMPLETE BEFORE IT FREEZES HARD, WE GET AN EARLY SNOW OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THIS IS THE CREW WHO IS, ARE SAYING IT THEY'RE DESPERATE MAJORITY OF US.
SO UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE STOLEN ROAD CONDITIONS THAT AS THERE, WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO FIX THIS PROJECT, THEN THERE YOU'RE ALL READY TO GO.
SO IT'LL BE READY FOR SPRING USE.
THE REASON WE HELD IT OFF, YOU FELT A LITTLE BETTER.
CAUSE WE WILL HAVE TO CLOSE THE SITE TO GET OUR IT EQUIPMENT AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
THEN BY THEN THE BIG SEASON FOR TOTTI ACTING AND ALL THAT, THE OTHER ONES WILL BE OPEN AND THE MORE WELCOME TO USE, BUT WE WILL NEED TO CUT THIS DOWN SO WE CAN GET IN THERE AND GET IT.
MRS. LOGAN'S BEEN DRIVING THE RECONFIGURATION OF THIS RAMP.
WELL THANK YOU TO BOTH OF YOU BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS SO MUCH BETTER.
I MEAN, YOU'D HAVE HAD TO HAVE A SEAMAN RAMP BOAT RAMP ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE RIVER AND IT JUST WASN'T FEASIBLE TO DO THAT THERE AT ALL.
OH, UH, WE ARE, UH, WE'LL HAVE TWO HANDICAP SPOTS THAT'S REQUIRED BY THE, UH, IN THAT I TALKED TO MR. BEAM.
IF WE USE 21 8 CONTACT, IT DOES THAT FORCE SUFFICE AS A SURFACE, BUT THERE WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WE'LL HAVE TO MAINTAIN THAT SMALL TWO PARKING SPOTS CONSTANTLY JUST TO MAKE SURE IT'S SAFE.
WE WON'T BE PUTTING THE SMALLEST SIDEWALK IN THE PAD FOR A JOHNNY BLUE SEASONAL.
AND NORMALLY WE USE ONE OF THE HANDICAP.
SO THEN THAT WAY, THEN WE CAN, WE GET THE BACK HOW LONG IT STAYED THERE.
I THINK WE HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER SITES AS WELL, ROCKLAND PARK OVER THERE AND GOT A BE SEASONAL.
THEY'RE KEEPING, UH, WE HAVE SOME SIGNS ALREADY HERE AT THIS LOCATION THAT EXPLAINED TO YOU ABOUT, REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE SLOWDOWN.
AND IT EXPLAINS ALL ABOUT THAT.
ALL OF THAT WILL REMAIN IN, SIGN UP BY.
WE'LL HAVE THE LIGHT HEARING KNOW, WE'LL SEE THOSE THREE PANELS THAT IS EXISTING THERE.
WE REALLY TALKING DOWN A LOT OF THE SIGNAGE BASICALLY SAYS, COME BE, I ENTRANCE SIGN THE IDENTIFICATION, SIGN IN HANDICAP SIGN.
THAT'S REALLY YET FOR SIGNAGE.
IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION AT ALL FOR PUTTING A SIGN THAT SAYS THE DISTANCE IS BETWEEN ONE BOAT LANDING TO THE NEXT I'M LIKE IF YOU'RE GOING BACK BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL JUMP IN ON IN BENTONVILLE, NOT REALIZE THAT THE NEXT ONE IS TWO HOURS AWAY.
WHERE WOULD YOU START THAT?
I'VE BEEN ON THE RIVER MANY TIMES.
I'VE WONDERED HOW MUCH FURTHER THE GUY.
I KNOW IF YOU GO WITH ONE OF THE OUTFITTERS, AT LEAST DON ROBERTSON, JOHN GIBSON'S, UM, THEY TELL PEOPLE, I THINK THEY GIVE THEM ALL THAT INFORMATION.
AND AT ONE POINT I KNOW JOHN GIBSON HAD FROM LOU RAY DOWN, HE HAD MARKERS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE STILL THERE OR NOT.
WELL, SOMEBODY TOLD ME THAT THEY WEREN'T.
SO I HAVE TO BELIEVE THEM BECAUSE I DON'T THINK, YEAH, I'VE I HAVEN'T BEEN, I USED TO GO UP TO COMPTON AND COME DOWN AND THEN I WOULD SEE HIM, BUT I HAVEN'T DONE THAT IN 20 YEARS.
SO I DON'T BE, WE TALKED TO STEVE ON WHAT? BRINGING THAT UP.
PROBABLY A FEW MILLION DOLLARS TO WORK.
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YEAH.I LEARNED A LOT WHEN I FIRST STARTED TALKING TO HIM ABOUT THE BENTONVILLE BOAT LANDING.
THAT'S WHERE I LEARNED WHATEVER YOU PUT THERE WITH THIS GRANT MONEY YOU'RE GOING TO REPLACE.
AND I WAS LIKE, OH, THAT'S GOOD.
AND HE SAID, SO USE YOUR OWN MONEY.
AND THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT IT BACK BEFORE WE GO OFF OF BOAT LANDING.
CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? BECAUSE I GOT ASKED THIS QUESTION LAST NIGHT, THE FRONT WORLD BOAT LANDING DOWN AT THE END OF LOU RAY AVENUE, WHO MAINTAINS THAT, DO WE MAINTAIN THAT IS COUNTY.
IS THAT DGI APP ONE SECTION EDI WHERE THE RANT IS, THEN THERE'S A HUGE SYCAMORE TREE RIGHT NEXT TO IT.
I WAS TOLD LAST NIGHT THAT IT'S IN PRETTY ROUGH SHAPE WITH STUFF THAT WASHED IN.
AND SINCE HE, SOME PARK IS MARK WARREN COUNTY, THEY THOUGHT IT WAS ALL PART AND PARCEL.
AND I SAID, I DIDN'T THINK SO, BUT I WOULD ASK.
SO THERE'S THE WATER TOWER? THERE'S A RURAL SMALL PARK WITH THE CANVAS THAT ALL BELONGS TO THE TOWN.
WE HAVE THE PARKING LOT IN THE TRAIL, IN THE FIELD.
SO NOW I KNOW WHO I NEED TO CONTACT.
HOW ABOUT THE TRAIL THAT GOES DOWN RIVER? THERE'S A TRAIL THAT GOES ALONG BESIDE THE RIVER.
AND THE ONE THAT GOES UP THE RIVER IS US.
AND NO ONE GOES DOWN TO RIVERS WHO BELONGS TO THE TOWN AND PART OF THE, UM, AZTEC SITE.
SO IS THERE, IS THERE AN ACTUAL TOOL THAT YOU CAN WALK THERE? IT'S JUST A FOOT PATH.
THE ONE THAT GOES ALONG THE TOWN IN AD TECHS.
THAT'S JUST WHERE PEOPLE HAVE WALKED.
IT'S MINIATURE THE PATH THROUGH THE WEEDS AND THAT THAT'S AN ACTUAL PUBLIC PROPERTY.
MY UNDERSTANDING PART OF IT BELONGS TO THE TALENT ASPECTS ON THAT, RIGHT? THE INSIDE I'VE WONDERED WHOSE PROPERTY THAT IS LOOKING AT, WANTING TO GO DOWN TO OUR TAX FROM THERE.
AND THAT TELLS YOU THAT BELONGS TO THE CAMERA.
MORE PEOPLE HAVE GOTTEN BACK AND FORTH WITH A FISHING GAME, POSTED A DEAL ON THIS SIDE, I'M ON THE FISHING GAME.
ON THIS SIDE, I BELONG TO THE CAMP.
MAYBE WE NEED TO REEVALUATE WITH THE TOWN WHERE THAT THE LINE SHOULD BE BECAUSE WE HAVE THE GIS OPTION.
I DON'T HAVE ANY SLIDES FOR THIS ONE.
THIS IS THE BOAT LANDING, UH, AFTER WITH THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF WILDLIFE FISH GAME, NEW WORKS TO RIVER DISTRICT, GEORGE WASHINGTON, NATIONAL FOREST TARA WAS THERE AND HE'S ALWAYS THE CHAIRMAN.
SO WE ALL GOT TOGETHER AND TALKED ABOUT WHAT WE CAN.
UM, WHAT'S THE, WHAT IS TO DO REALLY DIDN'T ACCOMPLISH.
WHAT WE WANTED TO DO IS MAKE IT MORE ACCESSIBLE TO OUR CITIZENS.
SO ON A HUNCH FROM THE CHAIRMAN THAT SHE HAD THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY WHERE THE OLD ROAD WENT THROUGH BEFORE THEY DID THE BRIDGE.
SO, UH, WITH HER, UH, GUIDANCE, I GOT A HOLD OF NATIONAL FOREST.
WE MET HER BODY AND YOU MAY THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA INSTEAD OF CUTTING ALL THE TREES DOWN, ALL THE SHRUB NEXT TO THE RIVER, IT'S AN OPEN FIELD IN HIS RIVAL TOP OF WHERE THE OLD ROAD BLOCKS.
SO WE ARE TRYING TO GET THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY, TO PUT THE PARKING LOT IN THE PARKING LOT.
AND WE'LL BE PRETTY MUCH GEARED TO WHAT WE HAVE HERE FOR MORNING FOR A LOT OF THAT WORK DONE RIGHT NOW, WE'RE WORKING WITH LV, HELPING.
AND THEY'RE COMING UP WITH A NEW CONCEPT.
SO WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE THAT FIRST PART OF OCTOBER,
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AND WE'LL BRING THAT UP AND SHOW YOU LEARN NEW CONCEPT.SO THAT'S RIGHT NOW IN THE NATIONAL FOREST DOES NOT HAVE A STADIUM AREA.
IF WE HAVE A FIRE FOREST ALONG, UH, THE ROAD, PEOPLE PARKED LIKE CRAZY ON THE ROAD AND YOU CAN DRIVE THROUGH.
SO ALL THEY WERE WANTING TO DO IS ADD MAYBE 12 PARKING SPOTS.
IF WE GO THE NEW ROUTE, WE'LL BE ADDING LIKE 40 SET.
YOU WILL BE KNOCKING DOWN TREES.
AND THEN YOU WON'T HAVE TO DO HOPEFULLY ARCHEOLOGICAL DAY WAS ONE OF THE OTHER SETBACKS.
I'VE REACHED OUT TO THREE COMPANIES THAT COME IN AND GIVE US AN ESTIMATE TO DO WITH IT.
NOBODY CAN SEND US ANYTHING BACK, NO OR ANYTHING.
SO WE REACHED OUT TO A COUPLE OF OTHER AGENCIES AND NOTHING WAS HAPPENING.
SO HOPEFULLY WITH THE WAY ON WHAT THE NATIONAL FOREST IT'S ON TOP OF THE ROAD, SO WE WON'T HAVE TO DO SO WILL THE NATIONAL FOREST JUST GIVE US PERMISSION TO USE THAT AS A PARKING, RIGHT? IT BENEFITS THEM BECAUSE THEY CAN USE IT AS A STAGING AREA.
IF THEY HAVE A FOREST FIRE UP ON THE MOUNTAIN, WE'RE ALSO LOOKING, UM, THERE'S A WELL IT'S, IT LOOKS LIKE A BIG TRENCH, BUT WE'VE ALWAYS CALLED IT A POND THAT CUTS THROUGH THE FIELD AND GOES ON AND HOOKS INTO THE RIVER.
UM, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A DRY HYDRANT IN ORDER FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO DRAFT THE RIVER.
IT'S HARD TO GET DOWN TO THE RIVER, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'VE GOT A PARKING LOT FULL.
SO AT THE END OF THE PARKING LOT THAT WE'RE WORKING ON GETTING IT KIND OF NARROWS DOWN TOWARDS THE POND.
SO WE'RE ALSO WORKING TO GET A DRY HYDRANT AT THAT END, WHICH WILL BENEFIT THE NATIONAL FOREST AS WELL AS YOU KNOW, OUR GUYS AS WELL.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THE COLLABORATION IS GOOD.
THE AGENCIES ARE WORKING TOGETHER.
EVERYBODY WAS SHAKING HER HEAD NORTH AND SOUTH FOR NOW.
WE ARE WORKING ON THAT CONCEPT TO SEND OUT FOR APPROVAL.
THEN WE'LL START MOVING FORWARD.
AND OUR PLAN RIGHT NOW IS TO START IT NEXT NOVEMBER.
SO IT TAKES A LOT OF PLANNING, A LOT OF PLANNING, A LOT OF CHECKS IN THE BOXES AND A LOT OF DIFFERENT AGENCY APPROVALS, BUT IT LOOKS VERY PROMISING, VERY PROMISING.
AND WE DID BRING UP THE COST AND WE MENTIONED, WE BELIEVE THIS WILL BE MORE THAN A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
AND THEY SAID THEY HAD MORE MONEY BY NOT MAKING ANY COMMITMENT.
IT IS ANYTHING THAT IMPROVES OUR BOAT LANDING.
I, OUR, OUR ABILITY TO ACCESS THE RIVER IS GOING TO BENEFIT TOURISM, WHICH IS GOING TO BENEFIT EVERYBODY HERE.
YEAH, PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE HOW MUCH THAT AREA.
WHEN I TALKED TO STEVE RESOR, WHO'S THE HEAD, UM, WITH DGI F THAT IS THE MOST USED BOAT LANDING AND STATE OF VIRGINIA.
I KNEW IT WAS USED A LOT CAUSE I LIVE RIGHT UP THE ROAD FROM IT.
BUT I DIDN'T REALIZE WITH ALL THE BOAT LANDINGS IN VIRGINIA, THAT THAT WOULD RANK SO HIGH, BUT THERE'S A CAMPGROUND THAT'S RIGHT THERE.
YOU'VE GOT THE BACK ENTRANCE TO THE STATE PARK.
YOU'VE GOT A CANOE COMPANY THERE.
YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER CAMPGROUND JUST UP RIVER.
AND THEN OF COURSE YOU GOT FRONT ROW CANOE COMPANY ON THREE 40 AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL OTHERS.
I MEAN, THAT IS A BUSY SPOT DOWN THERE.
SO THE AMOUNT OF TOURISM THAT LITTLE TINY PLACE DOWN THERE BRINGS IN IS JUST AMAZING.
AND YOU DON'T, YOU JUST DON'T THINK ABOUT IT IF YOU DON'T PERSONALLY USE IT.
SO IT, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.
W IF, IF YOU WENT DOWN AND LOOKED AT IT, IT'S, IT'S UNSAFE.
SO THE TYPOGRAPHY COMING OUT IS SO JACKET.
YOU CAN COME DOWN THE RIVER AND HAVE THE BEST TIME EVER.
AND WHEN YOU TRY TO GET OUT THERE, YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO SKIN YOUR KNEES UP PRETTY BADLY.
UM, IT'S AND IT'S PITIFUL THAT WE HAVE ALLOWED IT TO THAT WAY.
UM, WHEN, WHEN WE DO DEPEND ON TOURISM SO MUCH FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
SO, UM, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE POSSIBILITIES OF WHAT IT CAN BE THERE.
AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK, LIKE I SAID, I'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO CORRAL THESE PEOPLE AND YOU JUST, IT WAS LIKE, YOU'VE GOT SOME KIND OF MAGIC, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I APPRECIATE IT SO MUCH.
YOU AND TARYN BOTH WERE ALL YOU'VE DONE FOR THIS.
SO HOPEFULLY WE'RE MOVING IN A RIGHT DIRECTION.
WE'VE GOT A PLAN AND WE'LL GET IT EXECUTED AND KEEP
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YOU UP TO DATE DEVELOPS.HOPEFULLY WON'T GET THROUGH AT LEAST THAT RENDER NEXT TIME, JUST AS A COMMENT, YOU'VE TALKED A COUPLE OF TIMES ABOUT TOURISM MONEY.
THAT'S ABOVE WHAT YOU DO WITH THE TOWN ON THE PROJECTS.
WHEN YOU DO A PROJECT LIKE THIS OR THE BENTONVILLE PROJECT, AND YOU'RE REQUIRED, YOU GET AGENCIES AND EVERYBODY CHIPS IN, AND THERE'S A PIECE THAT'S LEFT THAT NEEDS TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE.
YOU CAN USE THAT YOUR EXCESS TOURISM MONEY FOR THAT PURPOSE TO HELP PROMOTE TOURISM BY IMPROVING THE LANDINGS AND SO FORTH.
SO JUST KEEP THAT IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND.
NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS THE
UH, KAREN BROUGHT THIS TO MY ATTENTION AS FOLLOWS THE IWAVE UNIT.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT STEVE BURKE, WHO USED TO BE THE TOWN MANAGER OF THEATER ROYAL.
NOW YOU TELL HIM ANY RED AND, UH, HE HAD BROUGHT THIS TO OUR ATTENTION.
THEY USE, UH, COVID FUNDING TO INSTALL THIS IN MOST OF EUROPE.
SO RIGHT NOW I AM WORKING WITH OUR NEW GRANTS, RIGHT? WE HAVE LOCATED ONE GRANT THUS FAR, AND, UH, WE WANT TO SUBMIT, BUT THAT'S ONLY FOR YEAR, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENTS IN COURT FACILITIES.
SO NOW WE'RE TRYING TO LOCATE A, ANOTHER GRANT, UM, TALKED TO THE, UH, FINANCE DEPUTY DIRECTOR.
AND RIGHT NOW THE COVID MONEY THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY USING FOR THE BROADBAND CARES ACT MONEY.
THERE'S THAT THERE YOU GO, THAT HE MAY BE ABLE TO GIVE US A SMALL PIECE OF PIE OF THAT TO GET A BUILDING DONE SO WE CAN TRY THIS OUT, BUT IT'S BASICALLY $2,100 A UNIT.
UH, I'VE TALKED TO AIR SERV AND THEY SAID THEY CAN COME IN AND INSTALL ONE.
YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW IT'S THERE.
THERE'S LIKE NO MOVING PARTS, NO NOISE THAT DOES AN IONIZATION TYPE OF THING.
AND ACCORDING TO THE BROCHURE IN THREE MINUTES, 99, 4 99, IT MAKES THE VIRUS THAT.
SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE STAFF THAT'S COMING IN AND SPRAYING EVERY MORNING.
IF WE ADAPT THIS TYPE, THEY WILL ONLY HAVE TO COME IN.
WHEN WE KNOW THERE'S A PACIFIC ACTIVE PERSON.
SO THIS WOULD SAY ALSO MAIN HOURS, AS WELL AS GIVING US A LITTLE CONFLICT.
ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE C MAYBE THE C IS FOR YOUR 12 TIME PERIOD AND A 12 TIME UNIT FOR TYPE C IS A 2080 $3.
THAT'S THE BIGGEST UNIT THAT WE CARRY.
SO THIS WOULD HOOK ONE TO THE, YOU SAID IT IN DUCT WORK, YOU HOOK IT UP TO THE LISTENING, UH, ELECTRONIC BOARDS AND THAT'S IT.
AND ALL OF THAT GOES THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THIS.
AND IT'S GOT TWO OLD POINTS WHEN ZACH'S SENDS THE IONS OUT IN THE WORLD, MEETS THE COVID WHEN YOU SAY COVID, UM, COVID-19 BUT ALSO, UM, OTHER CORONA VIRUSES, LIKE THE COLD, THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE COMMON COLD.
SO REALLY FRESH IN OUR BUILDING AT NIGHT WHEN EVERYBODY'S OUT, COME BACK IN.
IF WE KNOW WE HAVE AN ACTIVE CASE, WE WOULD BRING OUR STAFF, BUT JUST WITH, UH, I DIDN'T KNOW, MISS THE EXISTING, UM, CELL PHONE THAT THEY PUT OUT, THAT FUNDING WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE.
WE HAVE GOOD, I'M SORRY, 2100 $2,100 PER UNIT.
HOW MANY UNITS IS WHAT I WAS? THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING.
YEAH, BUT WE CAN BE VERY, IT'S REALLY WE'RE POPULATING.
AND WE GET, UM, MAX STAFF, BUT YOU KNOW, PUBLIC, ESPECIALLY BEFORE, SO 60 WOULD DO THE COURTHOUSE, THIS BUILDING,
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UM, THE CHURCH DEPARTMENT YOU WILL DO BECAUSE THAT ST JOAN WATER SYSTEM, AND THERE WAS NO DUCT WORK.THE ONLY PLACE WE CAN PUT IT IN THE PUBLIC SAFETY
AND THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY QUESTION.
DO WE HAVE THE ACCESSIBILITY TO INSTALL THESE? OKAY.
IT'S PRETTY MUCH RIGHT AFTER THE FILTER, WHERE THEY GO.
AND THEY SAID THEY WOULDN'T GIVE US A CUT PRICE DROP, STILL WANT TO CHECK OUT OTHER PEOPLE, BUT WE SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET A SET UNIT COST.
AND WE SAY, OKAY, WE WANT 10 UNITS.
SO NONE OF THAT, WELL, I HAD TO DO MORE WORK.
SO WE KNOW WHERE IT WAS THAT COST.
SO IT'S MECHANICAL AND ELECTRICAL HAS TO BE CONSIDERED, RIGHT? IT'S IT'S NOT, IT'S JUST THE ELECTRICAL CONNECTION.
IT JUST MOUNTS RIGHT INTO YOUR DUCT WORK.
SO WHEN THE AIR FLOWS, OKAY, IT CREATES THE QUESTION.
SO PART OF THE DEAL TO REOPEN THE COURTHOUSE LAST YEAR WAS THE FACT THAT WE HAD TO PUT SOME AIR FILTERS IN AND THEY HAVE THESE UNITS THAT ARE APPROXIMATELY TWO FEET HIGH AND PROBABLY 12 BY 18 INCHES IN THE SIZE THAT SIT IN THE BACK OF A COUPLE OF THE COURTROOMS AND THEY MAKE A LITTLE NOISE WITH THEM.
AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF THINGS LIKE THIS.
AND SO WHAT OUR THOUGHT WAS THAT WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE THIS PERMANENT ON OUR BUILDINGS, PARTICULARLY ARE OUR OLDER FACILITIES, UH, SETTING COVID ASIDE IS JUST AN AUTOMATIC, UH, DIFFERENT AIR.
THINGS ARE FLOATING, COME THROUGH THE AIR WITH A PUBLIC IN THE NOW OF THE BUILDING ALL THE TIME.
AND SO WE WANT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO FILTER THIS AIR TO PROTECT.
SO WE DON'T HAVE AS MUCH COLD, UH, TYPE THING, ET CETERA THAT GOES AROUND.
AND WE THOUGHT WE'D GET SOME OF THESE AND TRY THEM IN A BUILDING AND SEE HOW THEY'RE WORKING.
COMPARE THAT WITH WHAT WE'RE USING ON THESE LITTLE BOXES THAT ARE IN THE COURTHOUSE.
AND GRADUALLY, THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN, IT'S A SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 120 AND 150,000, IF YOU DO EVERYTHING, BUT THESE CAN BE DONE INDIVIDUALLY AND AT A TIME.
AND WHEN WE, THIS GRANT THAT, UH, JEFF WAS TALKING ABOUT, IF WE GET SOMETHING IN THAT GRANT, WE CAN DO A FEW OF THEM WITH THAT.
AND WE'LL DO A FEW OF THESE WITH, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CARES, ACT MONEY THAT IF YOU REMEMBER LAST YEAR, YOU HAD SET SOME CARES, ACT MONEY FOR PUTTING AIR FILTERS AND WE'LL USE THE LEFT.
WHAT'S LEFT OF THAT TO DO SOME OF THESE AND PUT THEM INTO TRIBE.
AND THEN WE'LL SEE WHAT OTHER TYPES OF THESE FILTERS ARE AVAILABLE AND PUT THEM IN AND SEE HOW THEY WORK SOMEPLACE ELSE.
UH, SOMETHING LIKE THE WHICHEVER BUILDING WE'RE USING OUT THERE IN SHENANDOAH FARMS, UH, THEY'RE OLDER BUILDINGS, AND WE SHOULD HAVE ONE OF THESE IN THERE.
SOMETHING LIKE THE FIRE STATION ACROSS THE STREET, WE SHOULD PUT SOME OF THESE EVEN AT IS THE VOLUNTEERS BUILDING.
WE STILL WANT TO TAKE CARE OF IT IF WE HAVE PEOPLE LIVING IN IT.
SO WE'RE GOING TO BE EXPERIMENTING WITH THESE A LITTLE BIT AT A TIME, BUT THAT'S THE OVERALL PLAN IS WHAT JEFF'S TALKING ABOUT IS THERE THEY'RE REALLY EFFECTIVE.
SO THAT'S MY IT'S LIKE FOOD HERE.
I MEAN, HOW DO YOU JUDGE IF THAT'S REALLY ONE THING OR NOT PEOPLE GET SICK FROM IT? WELL, I DOES ANYONE EVER, WHEN I WORKED, UM, IT WINCHESTER, IT, ESPECIALLY IN THE CRITICAL CARE IN THE OPERATING ROOM AREAS, I THOUGHT IT WAS KIND OF CRAZY, BUT THEY, EVERY SO OFTEN WE HAD TO GET A PETRI DISH AND HOLD UP TO DO CULTURES OF THE AIR COMING OUT OF THE DUCT WORK.
DID WE EVER DO THAT TO, WE HAVE DONE THAT WITH THAT SOLELY, IF WE THINK WE HAD AS FAST AS IT CAME UP, LIKE THIS BUILDING, WE HAVE CAPTURED THE AIR FOR SO MANY HOURS.
AND I JUST WONDERED IF IT WOULD BE, DO ONE BEFORE AND DO ONE SO LONG AFTER IT, SEE WHAT GROWS OUT.
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PRETTY MUCH THE FIRM, AS FAR AS ASKING ABOUT THAT.THAT'S A GOOD SUGGESTION BECAUSE IT'S, YEAH.
IT'S BECAUSE SOMETIMES THESE THINGS ARE SOLD AND HOW YOU EVEN KNOW THAT THEY'RE REALLY THAT THE EFFICACY IS THERE.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF I SEE PEER REVIEW TESTING, I'LL LOOK LATER AND READ IT, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S, I MEAN, THEY CLAIM TO DO LOTS OF THINGS, BUT YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT REALLY SURE.
AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GOING TO SPEND $150,000 THAT THEY'RE EFFECTIVE.
THAT'S WHY THIS IS OVER A MULTI-YEAR TYPE THING.
SO WE GET TO SEE HOW THEY WORK AND SEE HOW WE CAN DO SOME BEFORE AND AFTER AND TESTS AND SO FORTH.
AND WHEN OTHER MONTH FUNDING SOURCES ARE AVAILABLE, THAT WE CAN GRAB ON AND PICK UP ANOTHER BUILDING OR TWO WEEKS, ET CETERA, IT'S A GRADUAL PROCESS.
WE JUST WANTED YOU TO BE ABLE TO START LOOKING AT IT AND SEE WHAT THEY ARE.
WELL, THANK YOU ABOUT THE JUVENILES IN THE MIDDLE.
THE, UH, AS YOU KNOW, THE ARE SAVVY ENOUGH, UH, THAT GIVE ME 2018.
MOST OF THE ARCHITECTS CAME THROUGH AND DID A SPACE FOR THE COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
AND HE WENT FROM A YEAR 20, 25 TO 20 30, 20 14, UH, CURRENTLY
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT THEY DID, WHAT WAS THE SCENARIO ABOUT BUILDING A NEW JDR OVER AT THE OLD BUILDING 7,500 SQUARE FEET, THEY WERE INVADED THREE OR FOUR TIMES.
UH, THEY DID SOME ROUGH NUMBERS FOR US TO, UH, REHAB.
THIS TEAM BUILDING WOULD BE 4 MILLION, 628,000.
THAT'S YOUR REHAB TO TEAR THAT BUILDING DOWN AND BUILD ANOTHER 70,000 SCORE.
SO CHEAPER TO BUILD A NEW, JUST A LITTLE BIT CHEAPER, BUT, AND YOU'LL HAVE ALL, YOU WOULD HAVE A WHOLE LOT BETTER BUILDING.
I EXPECT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A, IN IS ALREADY BEEN RENOVATED THREE TIMES, RIGHT? THAT'S ONE STORY.
IS THAT ENOUGH? NOW THE COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY, WHAT WE NEED ARE GROUNDED ALL 4,000 SQUARE FEET, 24, JR.
APT, ABEL OPENED UP 4,000 SQUARE FEET THAT GIVEN COMMENT ABOUT THE ATTORNEY 6,000 SQUARE FEET IN AN EXISTING BUILDING WITH SOME MODIFICATIONS.
SO YOU'RE GIVING THEM A LOT MORE SPACE, KEEPING THEM IN THEIR CORNER AND ALSO MOVING INTO VR.
NOW THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT YOU CAN GET STATE MONEY.
THE COST GEE IS A STATE MANDATED.
AND THEN JUST LIKE WE DID WITH HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES, CAN WE GET FUNDING FROM THE STATE, SAME THING WITH THE HEALTH, WHAT PERCENTAGE WE DON'T KNOW
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YET? WE HAVE TO RESEARCH THAT PART.THAT'S PART OF THIS, BUT I'M SORT OF WORK ON IN A, WHERE DO YOU GUYS WANT TO GET US FIELD? SO I KNOW WHICH WAY TO PROCEED.
MA'AM THIS DOES NOT FIX YOUR PARK.
NOW THERE IS THIS SUGGESTING THAT WE HAVE TO KNOW THAT TWO STORY PARKING NUMBER, TALKING TO THE JUDGES AT THE COURT SYSTEM.
YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT A COURT SYSTEM ON TOP OF THE PARKING LOT COST.
AND OF COURSE, IF YOU PUT PARKING ON TOP, SAME THING, IT'S ALL COMING DOWN.
UM, AND TO BUILD A 2100 SQUARE FOOT, IT WOULDN'T BE 11 MILLION, 257, 20 1000.
SO, UM, COUPLE OF IDEAS TO THINK ABOUT, UM, ONE, THIS IS FROM THE ARCHITECT AND MY DAUGHTER'S AN ARCHITECT, SO I HAVE TO BE GOOD.
I DON'T HAVE TO BE SO WELL FINISHED AND NOT PICK ON IT.
THIS IS NOT PICK ON ARCHITECTS.
UM, BUT A CONTRACTOR WHO WOULD SUBMIT SOMETHING LIKE THIS UNDER THE PUBLIC PRIVATE PROCUREMENT ACT IS GOING TO BRING YOU PROPOSALS SIGNIFICANTLY CHEAPER, BECAUSE THEN THE ARCHITECT IS WORKING FOR THE CONTRACTOR AND THE CONTRACTOR IS DRIVEN BY THE PRICE.
AND YOU JUST FIND THAT THEY COME IN ANYWHERE FROM 30 TO 60% LOWER THAN WHAT THE ORIGINAL ESTIMATE WAS.
AND PARTICULARLY WHEN, ONCE YOU RECEIVE THAT TYPE OF PROPOSAL, THEN YOU HAVE TO ADVERTISE IT FOR 60 DAYS.
AND THAT ALLOWS OTHER CONTRACTORS TO TAKE THE SAME BASIC PLAN AND BID AGAINST IT WITH THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS AND FREQUENTLY, UH, THEY WILL COME IN AND EVEN IMPROVE ON THE PRICE THAT THE CONTRACTOR GAVE YOU.
UH, THE RENOVATIONS AT DANIEL MORGAN MIDDLE SCHOOL, 15 YEARS AGO, CONTRACT OR A SUBMITTED A PPA AND DID A VERY GOOD JOB X, MUCH BELOW WHAT THE ARCHITECT HAD DONE.
AND CONTRACTOR B CAME IN IN THE 60 DAYS AND EVEN GAVE HIM AN EVEN BETTER BID.
AND THEY ENDED UP GETTING THE CONTRACT BECAUSE, AND YOU CAN SEE THE RESULTS IT'S UP THERE AS TO HOW THEY DO IT.
SO IF YOU PUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS OUT TO A CONTRACTOR THAT YOU WERE INTERESTED IN, LOOKING AT IT AND SEEN WHAT THE OPTIONS WERE, THEY WOULD GIVE YOU SOME THINGS TO LOOK AT AND TO SERIOUSLY CONSIDER.
YOU'VE GOT THIS THING, HEY, TO D INCENTIVIZED BY BUILDING EXTRA THINGS.
AND YOU'VE GOT ONE ENTITY INCENTIVIZED TO COMPETE FOR YOUR BUSINESS.
SO IT IT'S, IT'S ONLY COMMON SENSE WHICH DIRECTION WE SHOULD GO THERE.
AND THE CONTRACTOR, THE CONTRACTOR HAS A CONTRACT WITH THE ARCHITECT AND IT'S THEIR PRIVATE ARRANGEMENT.
THE ARCHITECT IS WORKING FOR THE CONTRACTOR RATHER THAN THE COUNTY.
AND YOU HAVE A CONSTRUCTION PERSON WHO IS AN INDEPENDENT WORKING FOR THE COUNTY ON OUR STAFF.
SO JUST LIKE A PROJECT MANAGER.
AND THEY WOULD GO ABOUT COUNTY COUNTY, HIS DESIRES AND SPECIFICATIONS.
THEY WOULD START OUT WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND TAKE IT FROM THERE TO GO AND THEN WORK WITH MR. HAYES TO FIGURE OUT WHAT, AND WHAT'S NEEDED OVER THERE.
THEY'D TALK TO THE USERS, WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AND WHAT THEY NEED AND WHAT THE FUTURE PLAN IS.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE PROJECTION, WE HAVE THE STUDY DONE ON THE FUTURE NEEDS OF THE COURTHOUSE.
CAUSE THE, UH, THE ENGINEER, THE CONTRACTOR RATHER USES ENGINEERS AND ARCHITECTS AND WITH TODAY'S CODE, IT'S REALLY SO TIGHT THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO JUMP OUT THERE AND SAY, HERE'S OUR SPECS.
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WRITE THE CODE REALLY DOES THAT FOR US.SO LONG AS WE TELL THEM THAT THEY EXIST IN CODE AND IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE MORE FLEXIBLE DOING SOMETHING THIS WAY.
THEN YOU DRIVE THE PROJECT, RIGHT.
BUT WE, BUT EVEN IF WE GO WITH THE 12,000 SQUARE FOOT OR 21,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, WE STILL HAVEN'T RESOLVED OUR PARKING ISSUES.
SO IT'S, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S YES.
AND THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAD IS THE JUSTIFICATION.
I, SO HERE ARE JUST ESTIMATES.
IS THERE A JUSTIFICATION FOR THE NEED FOR SPACE SOMEWHERE THAT'S IN WRITING? I MEAN, THAT SPACE PLANNING OR THAT SPACE JUSTIFICATION, WE HAD A SPACE, UM, GOOD FOR DRAG.
IT WOULD STILL BE THE BASIS FOR WHAT WE WOULD LOOK AT FOR WHAT SIZE WE NEEDED.
THAT WAS GOING TO BE, MY QUESTION IS WHAT JUSTIFICATION DO WE HAVE FOR 21,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING? I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT SO THAT WE COULD TELL OUR CONSTITUENTS THAT THIS WAS RECOMMENDED AND IT WA AND IT IS NECESSARY AND NOT JUST A REALLY NICE TO HAVE GREAT BUILDING IN DOWNTOWN FARNBOROUGH.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FUTURE, THE FUTURE NEEDS ALSO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO SOMETHING, THAT IT WOULDN'T BE ENOUGH FOR THE FUTURE.
AND HOW LONG IN THE FUTURE, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND YOU TAKE THE 7,500 SQUARE FOOT AND THE 25,000, 21,000 RATHER.
AND YOU LOOK IN BETWEEN THERE AS TO WHAT YOU DECIDE YOU MIGHT WANT TO DO.
SO IF WE DO A 7,500 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, UM, WE STILL ARE NOT ADDRESSING PARKING NO MATTER WHAT, THERE'S NO PARKING ADDRESSED IN ANY OF THE SOLUTIONS.
IF WE, IT IS, THIS IS THE OLD, UM, AMP TONY'S MARK, UM, THE, THE BUILDINGS ACROSS THE STREET.
IF WE USE THIS BUILDING, WHAT, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO BE USING THOSE BUILDINGS FOR THE LOAN? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE BEAUTY PARLOR? OH, WORKFORCE HOUSING.
OR NO WORKFORCE RELEASE, SUCH A DEAL.
UM, AND WE'RE TEARING THAT DOWN AND MAKING THAT PARKING OR JUST SELL IT, GET IT OFF OUR PLATE.
AND THEN OFF OUR PLATE, IF YOU DID TURN THAT DOWN, IT'S GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT WITH THE OTHER TWO BUILDINGS, RIGHT ON TOP OF IT, THERE'S NO PLACE TO STAGE ANYTHING WITHOUT SHUTTING DOWN THE ROAD FOR A PERIOD OF TIME.
UH, WE DID DO A STUDY AND IT HAS THIS FESTIVAL.
SO WE LOOKED AT CONVERTING THAT INTO COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY.
UH, YOU COULD MAKE IT WORK, BUT WHEN LAST WALL WOULDN'T LAST ONE ROOM WOULD BE VERY TINY DESK EXAM THAT THEY LOOK AT THAT AND LOOK AT COST.
AND I WANT TO SAY THAT DEFINITELY SO THAT IN, ACROSS THE STREET IS A HUGE, SO WE'VE HAD THAT BUILDING FOR SALE AND WE KIND OF TOLD THE AGENT TO SET IT ASIDE AND JUST LET IT SET THERE.
THE AGENT HAS, UH, FOR, UH, PROSPECTIVE PURCHASERS NOW.
AND WE WOULD LIKE TO GET THAT OFF OUR HANDS.
UH, WE THINK THAT'S, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT PARKING, THAT'S NOT THE DIRECTION WE COULD GO.
SO IT'S NOT GOING TO HELP US THERE.
AND WE DON'T WANT TO PUT THE MONEY INTO RENOVATING THAT BUILDING.
WE WOULD RATHER LOOK AT THE ONE ACROSS THE STREET OR REPLACING THE ONE ACROSS THE STREET.
AND WE'D LIKE TO SELL THIS BUILDING.
AND WITH THE BOARD'S CONCURRENCE, WE'LL ASK THE AGENT TO BE LOOKING AT THESE, UH, CONTRACT, CONTACTING THESE PERSPECTIVE BUYERS AND SUE, WHO WANTS TO GIVE THE BOARD A PROPOSAL? YOU KEEP,
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I THINK THAT MAY BE ANOTHER TOPIC FOR ANOTHER LIAISON.COULD YOU PROVIDE THAT TO ME? IF YOU HAVE A COPY OF THIS, THAT IT, MY BOSS.
IF YOU DO HAVE A MECHANISM THAT COULD HELP THEM WITH THEIR PARKING NEEDS, IF THEY WANTED TO USE IT.
I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AT ANOTHER WORK SESSION.
SO, CAUSE I MEAN, IT IMPACTS ALL THIS PLANNING, NO MATTER WHAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN BUILD THE BEST SPACE THAT WE HAVE TO FREE IT UP.
BUT IF PEOPLE HAVE NOWHERE TO PARK OR IF THEY HAVE TO PARK OVER AND WALK, YOU KNOW, FROM SOUTH STREET OR THE ROYAL PLAZA, THEN IT'S NOT MUCH IT'S, IT'S NOT VERY EFFECTIVE.
IT WOULD BE A GOOD TOPIC TO BRING UP, UH, THE MENTION ON THIRSTY AT THE MEETING AND START DISCUSSIONS ABOUT IT, REMOVING THE JAIL FROM THE COURTHOUSE AND USING THAT AS A LINE.
BUT IT CAME OUT TO LIKE 10 PARKING SPOTS.
HEY, IT'S FAIR GAMBLE FOR 10 PARKING SPOTS.
AND NOW WE'RE USING THE UPSTAIRS AS NORMAL, AS WELL AS POOR HOLY SITES IT'S BEING UTILIZED.
AND IF WE DID THAT, WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO PEOPLE IN THE COURT IS FILES.
FILES ARE IN ONE OF THE BIG EIGHT SQUARE FOOTAGE.
AND WE KNOW WE ARE THEY'RE PROCESSING IN TRYING TO MEET THE DIGITAL.
I WAS GOING TO SAY WHERE THEY'RE WORKING THAT WAY, WE'RE HOPING THAT STEPS UP AND THAT'S MOVING IN THE COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY IN THAT SPACE.
IT WAS, UM, IT WAS 39 YEARS AGO THAT CITY OF WINCHESTER STARTED THIS FOLLY OF A PARKING GARAGE DOWN THERE.
EVERYBODY THOUGHT HOW RIDICULOUS THAT WAS.
NOW THERE'S FOUR WITH THE PARKING SPACE THAT WE'VE GOT.
NOW, WOULD THAT BE A CANDIDATE FOR MOTOR PARKING SAY MOTOR LEVEL, BY ANY CHANCE? I DON'T THINK YOU HAD A BIG ENOUGH NOT ENOUGH FOOTPRINT.
I THOUGHT IT WAS QUESTIONABLE.
WE WERE PRETTY MUCH HALF THE AD, THE TATTOO PARLOR IN THE OLD GYM, IN THE OLD GYM I'M ON NOW.
BUT YOU WOULD ALMOST HAVE TO HAVE THAT WHOLE BLOCK.
NOW, IF YOU MOVED OUT OF THIS BUILDING, THIS WOULD BE A NICE LOT FOR A PARKING GARAGE.
WELL, WE'RE HAVING MEETINGS AND HAVE TO WALK DOWN.
DOESN'T HURT ANY OF US, BUT IT'S JUST NOT FEASIBLE WHEN YOU'RE KNOW, WROTE THAT KIND OF, UM, BUSINESS.
UH, WE COULD USE A LINE OR UTILIZE THE TROLLEY SYSTEM.
WELL, THAT'S, I WAS ACTUALLY THINKING THAT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT MAY BE THAT WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOME SPORT OF TRANSIT THAT, YOU KNOW, WILL ALLOW PEOPLE TO PARK IN ONE LOCATION AND, UM, UH, RALEIGH OR LIKE THE HOSPITAL HAS THE LITTLE BUSTED TERMS AROUND ABSOLUTELY SOMETHING I LIKE THAT.
TALK IT HALF TAX AND BUS THEM BACK AND FORTH.
THERE'S PLENTY TO WORRY ABOUT THERE.
SO WE WOULD, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UM, UH, NUMBER ONE, BE INTERESTED IN DISCUSSING WITH THE TOWN PARKING NEEDS DOWN THERE.
AND NUMBER TWO, WE WOULD LIKE TO FIND OUT WHAT A CONTRACTOR MIGHT BE ABLE TO SUBMIT AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO THE COST ESTIMATED COST OF A BUILDING HERE FOR THE COURTS.
WELL, IT DOESN'T COST US ANYTHING TO GET AN ESTIMATE, SO IT DOES NOT COST ANYTHING.
LET'S DO IT, BUT WE CAN FIGURE IT OUT, BUT THEY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT WE'RE SERIOUS BEFORE THEY GO TO PUT THEIR TIME AND EFFORT INTO IT.
THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL HAD ACTUALLY POSTED THAT STUDY ON THEIR WEBSITE.
SO I WENT AND FOUND THAT THERE'S ONE FROM 2017 AND ONE FROM 2019.
SO I WENT AHEAD AND EMAILED ALL OF YOU GUYS THAT I'M AWAKE.
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AND I AM GOING TO APOLOGIZE FOR LOOKING AT MY PHONE SO MUCH, BUT I JUST GOT A NEW GRANDDAUGHTERSO THAT'S WHY I KEEP LOOKING TO BE UPDATED ON MY CHILD.
SO SHE, WHAT TIME WAS SHE BORN? UM, AFTER THE GOODNESS AFTER THE FARM DEPARTMENT OR BEFORE THE JUVENILE DEFENSE.
SO THAT'S TRUE BEFORE WE STARTED, BUT CONGRATULATIONS.
I HAVEN'T BEEN RIGHT THERE IN THE ROOM WITH, BUT THEY DID FINE WITHOUT ME.
WAS THERE? NO, YEAH, COVID YOU CAN'T ONLY HAVE ONE PERSON, BUT IF THAT'S THE ONLY WAY COVID IS AFFECTING MY FAMILY AT THIS POINT, I'M BLESSED.
SO, ALL RIGHT, NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS, UM, THE ECONOMIC DISCUSSION ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY, WHICH WE'LL DO AN OPEN SESSION INSTEAD OF, OKAY.
SO THE M GEEK EDA STAFF, UM, MR. PARSONS AND MRS. HENDERSON HAVE BOTH LAUGHED.
MRS. HENDERSON HAS MOVED AND, UH, MR. PARSON LEAVES THE 1ST OF OCTOBER.
UM, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE BOARD, THIS BOARD TO HOW THEY WOULD LIKE THIS TO BE CONFIGURED.
UH, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, UH, ABOUT FEBRUARY, MARCH OF 20.
AND THE BOARD SAID THEY WANTED TO WAIT A WHILE AND THEN RECONSIDER TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
AND IF I MAY, HOW'S THAT A COUNTY BOARD THAT IS HERE AND YOU HAVE AN EDA THAT IS HERE AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS SINCE THE MONEY OVER HERE, AND THEN THE EDA PAYS OPERATING.
THEY PAID DEBT, THE BOARD PAYS LEGAL AND THE ADA COLLECTS.
THEY HAVE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT BONDS SUCH AS THE HOSPITAL, AND THEY HAVE SOME LOANS THROUGH THE SBA THAT THEY COLLECT ON.
UH, THESE COMBINED ARE APPROXIMATELY $30,000.
SO IN THE BIG PICTURE HERE, IT'S A SMALL MILE.
UM, THEN THESE ALL COME BACK OVER HERE BECAUSE WE PAY THE BILLS AND THE TREASURER KEEPS TRACK OF MONEY.
SO YOU HAVE IN YOUR BUDGET, PAIGE,
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GOT ONE THIS EXTRA MR. CARTER ON THIS PAGE, ALL THE NUMBERS THAT YOU APPROPRIATE ON THIS PACKAGE.SO THIS PAGE GOES OVER HERE AND IT'S GOT THE WHOLE FREE, UH, ALMOST 3.2 MILLION THAT THE COUNTY PUTS TO EDA TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
AND THAT INCLUDES LEGAL FEES INCLUDES THE CAPITAL.
THIS PAGE ARE THE LINE ITEMS. THE ALTERNATIVE IS THAT THE, SOME OF THE BOARD HAS TALKED ABOUT WOULD BE SOMETHING WHERE THE EDA IS GOING TO BE A LEGAL ENTITY IN ANY EVENT ENTITLED TO CERTAIN THINGS UNDER STATE LAW.
ONE OF THOSE IS GOING TO BE THEIR DEBT, THE RIGHT TO OWN PROPERTY, DEVELOP PROPERTY.
AS WE SAID, THEY COULD ASSIST WITH A PROJECT.
IF THE OTHER PEOPLE WERE INTERESTED AND THEY STILL CAN DO INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT BONDS, AND THEY CAN STILL DO LOANS, ET CETERA, THE BOARD COULD DECIDE THAT OPERATIONS, ESSENTIALLY THIS PAGE FROM YOU SEE AT THE BOTTOM, THE LAST FOUR OR FIVE NUMBERS ARE THE DEBT SERVICE.
BUT THE TOP FROM HERE UP IS ALL OPERATIONS.
AND THAT WOULD BE ALL BE HERE.
AND IT WOULD BE IN YOUR BOOK INSTEAD OF BEING THE LAST PAGE LIKE IT IS OVER HERE.
IT WOULDN'T BE BACK HERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BOOK, PLANNING, SOCIAL SERVICES, FIRE, AND RESCUE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, ET CETERA, PUBLIC WORKS.
AND ALL THE STAFF WOULD BE PART OF THE OPERATIONS, JUST LIKE THEY ARE HERE.
AND THOSE STAFF EXPENSES WOULD BE DOWN HERE AND THEY WOULD GO THROUGH JUST LIKE ANY OTHER DEPARTMENT.
THEY WOULD BE ON OFFICIALLY ASSIGNED TO WORK WITH EDA, THEIR RESPONSE IN A MANNER, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT PLANNING STAFF WORKS WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS THE BOSS OF PLANNING ACTIVITIES, IF YOU WILL, BUT THE STAFF TECHNICALLY IS INDEPENDENT.
THE DA STILL MEETS, MAKES THEIR DECISION.
THEY HAVE TO DO THEIR DEALS WITH THE BANKS.
THEY HAVE TO SELL AND BUY PROPERTY HERE.
IF THEY HAVE ANY MONEY, THE COUNTY GIVES THEM MONEY.
UH, THEY CAN STILL HAVE THEIR INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT BONDS.
THE STAFF WOULD BE WORKING WITH PROSPECTS.
WHEN THE VDP SAYS, WE HAVE SOMEBODY INTERESTED IN WANTING A PROPERTY, A 300 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, UH, THE EDA, THE STAFF HERE WOULD BE THERE.
IT'S STILL A DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
SO THAT DOES NOT CHANGE THAT PART, BUT DIFFERENCES THEY'RE OVER HERE.
THEY WOULD STILL BE PHYSICALLY
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LOCATED FOR THE TIME BEING ON KENDRICK LANE, UNLESS THE BOARD FOUND A BETTER PLACE.I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AT SOME POINT THE BOARD BE ABLE TO PUT THE EDA OFFICE IN THE CENTRAL PART OF DOWNTOWN, SOMETHING DOWN HERE WHERE IT'S MORE VISIBLE FOR EVERYONE TO BE ABLE TO SEE IT.
AND WITH THE BUILDINGS THAT THE COUNTY OWNS AROUND THIS BUILDING, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE IT HERE IN ANY EVENT, BUT THAT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST THE EXECUTIVE FOLKS, THE DIRECTOR AND HIS ASSISTANT THAT THE BOARD IS STILL GOING TO BE WHEREVER THE BOARD IS BECAUSE THEY CAN BE ANYWHERE.
IT CAN BE ANYWHERE, BUT IT'S THE VISIBILITY THAT WHEN, UH, A MARKETING PERSON DRIVES INTO TOWN AND IS LOOKING AROUND, THEY WOULD SEE IT RIGHT DOWN TOWN, SOME PLACES TO THE, HAVING TO GOOGLE FOR IT AS MUCH.
BUT I THINK THIS IS WHAT SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
AND THIS IS THE TIME THAT IF THE BOARD WAS INTERESTED IN DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS, THEY SHOULD DO SO BECAUSE WE'RE MOVING AND TARYN IS ASSISTING WITH, UH, MOVING TO HIRE NEW STAFF.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.
WELL, THEN THE EDA, THE ADA BOARD IS IN THE BUSINESS OF KEEPING ADA GOING AND WORKING WITH, WORKING WITH THEIR CUSTOMERS, WORKING WITH, UH, THE, UM, STAFF HERE AS THE DIRECTOR.
YOU'VE GOT A SEPARATION OF POWERS.
SO TH TH AND THAT'S, I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP.
SO THE EDA BOARD, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE JOB DESCRIPTIONS FOR WHAT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE BOARD AND WHAT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE EDA DIRECTOR? UM, BECAUSE I THINK SOMETIMES THOSE CAN, CAN SOME OVERLAP AND I'M NOT SURE IF THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO OVERLAP OR IF THEY JUST DO OVERLAP.
UM, SO I, THAT, SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT, IN FACT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE EDA BOARD IN MEETING.
DO THEY ACTUALLY MEET WITH PROSPECTS OR IS IT MORE, UM, TRANSPARENT FOR THE DIRECTOR TO MEET WITH THE PROSPECTS AND THEN REPORT BACK TO THE BOARD AND GET THE BOARDS, UM, FEEDBACK ON WHETHER OR NOT THAT PROSPECT IS THE, WITHIN THE, WITH, WITHIN THE, UM, THE GOALS AND THE PLANNING OF WHAT COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING HAS DONE AND WHAT, SO I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT I SEE THE EDA BOARD DOING, NOT ACTUALLY BEING DIRECTLY INVOLVED WITH OUR PROSPECTS AND MAYBE I'M WRONG, BUT I JUST DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS THE ROLE OF THE EDA BOARD.
THAT IS USUALLY NOT THE ROLE, NORMALLY THE DIRECTOR AND ANY OTHER STAFF NECESSARY.
THEY'RE A VERY FREQUENTLY SOMEBODY FROM PLANNING IS INVOLVED IN MEETING WITH A PROSPECT INITIALLY AND HANDLES THAT PROSPECT UNTIL IT REACHES A POINT THAT THERE ARE SERIOUS, UH, UH, THAT THERE ARE SERIOUS NEGOTIATIONS THAT THE PROSPECT IS VERY INTERESTED AND WE WANT TO PROCEED WITH IT.
AND AT THAT POINT IS WHEN SOMEBODY FROM THE BOARD MIGHT BE INVOLVED AND THE BOARD IS INFORMED, NORMALLY IS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN MOST CASES, UM, THE ROAD, IF YOU SAW ON THE OTHER PAPER THAT JUST OPENED IN FREDERICK COUNTY THIS PAST WEEK, THAT WAS THE EDA DIRECTOR'S VISION 15 YEARS AGO TO GET THAT ROAD.
AND FINALLY, TO GET IT OPEN THE EDA BOARD ON THE TOWN, ON THE CITY RATHER, AND THE COUNTY BOTH CAME INTO THE PICTURE AS WITH THE DEVELOPER, AS THE PROSPECTS CAME TOGETHER TO BUILD IT AND FUNDING, BUT THE INITIAL PLAN AND THE INITIAL PROSPECT WHO WAS INTERESTED, THAT WAS ALL DONE BY THE DIRECTOR.
SO IF YOU LIKE IN THIS, TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THEN THE FIRST STEP IS PEOPLE COME INTO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND EXPLAIN
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WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT DOES ALL THE LEGWORK OF GETTING IT AND THEN TAKES THAT, GIVES THE INFORMATION TO THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS, WHO THEN DECIDE WHETHER IT MOVES FORWARD TO US.
YOU KNOW, IF IT'S WITHIN THE REALM OF WHAT IS GOOD FOR THAT AREA AND SO FORTH.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE SAME CONCEPT HERE THE DIRECTOR WOULD DO WITH PLANNING, UM, THE LEGWORK PACKAGE IT ALL UP, PRESENT IT TO THE BOARD AND THEN COLLABORATIVELY, THEY DECIDE WHETHER THAT IS SOMETHING TO EDA HERE, ONE COUNTY VERSUS THE OPPOSITE, OR GETTING SO MUCH DIRECTLY INVOLVED.
AND ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT THE EDA OFFICERS SHOULD BE BROUGHT CLOSER TO THE GOVERNMENT FACILITY AT PHYSICALLY OVER HERE? IS THAT, WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT AS ONE OF THE BOARD GOALS, LONG-TERM IN ANY, WHETHER YOU DO ANY OF THIS.
BECAUSE I THINK THEY NEED MORE VISIBILITY AND MORE DIRECT COMMUNICATION WITH OTHER STAFF RATHER THAN GOING OUT IF YOU WILL, OUT KENDRICK LANE.
WHAT, UM, WHAT, IF ANY SAVINGS COULD BE REALIZED IF WE DO THAT? IS THERE ANY SAVINGS IN THE TERMS OF EXPENSES, UM, FOR HAVING THAT, UM, DIVISION OR AGENCY BROUGHT INTO THE COUNTY'S ORGANIZATION, WE'RE MOVING INTO SOME SAVINGS.
UH, LET ME GRAB THE SHEET HERE THAT, AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON SOME OF THESE SAVINGS AS THEY DEVELOP NOW, A, AN EXAMPLE BEING, UH, MR. JONES IS NOW GOING TO BE TAKING OVER THE IT ACTIVITIES FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.
SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO HIRE A CONTRACTOR.
IF YOU HAVE A STAFF PERSON HERE, THAT STAFF PERSON, WHEN THEY HAVE A LEGAL QUESTION IS GOING TO GO DOWN AND KNOCK ON THE DOOR TO MRS. JORDAN AND ASK THAT QUESTION RATHER THAN HAVING TO CALL SOMEONE.
NOW THAT MAKES MORE WORK IN MRS. JORDAN'S OFFICE, BUT THERE WOULD BE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.
THAT BECOMES ANOTHER SAVINGS THAT WHAT YOU SEE IF WE KEEP THE OFFICE WHERE IT IS, MANY OF THOSE EXPENSES, SUCH AS THE UTILITIES OUT THERE AND SO FORTH, THEY'RE GOING TO REMAIN.
UH, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SAVE ON SOME OF THE, UM, SUCH THINGS AS THE COPIER.
THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO USE A SMALLER COPIER THERE AND DO MORE COPYING HERE.
UH, AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING TOWARDS THAT WITH MY, MY OLD EDA HAT ON.
WE STARTED WORKING ON THAT WHEN WE ASKED THE COUNTY TO BECOME THE FISCAL AGENT, UM, THEY HAVE SOME, THEY HAVE A SEPARATE, UH, AUDIT THAT IS DONE NOW, AND WE'VE HAD THE DRAFT DONE FOR 1819, AND THEY WILL NEED ANOTHER ONE FOR 1920 AND 2021.
IF THIS WAS DOWN HERE AND PART IN THE LOWER PART, THEN IT'S GOING TO BE RIGHT PART OF YOUR AUDIT BOOK.
AND WHEN YOU DO THAT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE AN INDEPENDENT AUDIT.
NOW, WOULD YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN INDEPENDENT AUDIT FOR THE EDA BOARD OVER THERE? THERE'S A VERY, IT'S I KNOW IT'D BE DIFFERENT.
I MEAN, THIS, THESE FOUR ITEMS SEPARATE FROM THE OPERATION WOULD END UP BEING APPROXIMATELY 12 PAGE AUDIT WHERE A SEPARATE AUDIT OR COULD BE THE SAME AS THE COUNTY AUDITOR, BUT IT WOULD BE A SEPARATE REPORT ON THIS FUNDING THAT GOES TO THEIR CREDITORS AND SAYS THAT THEY HAVE THESE LOANS AND THEY HAVE THESE ASSETS EXEMPT ACTIVITY.
ALL THE REGULAR OPERATING TRANSACTIONS WOULD BE OVER HERE.
RIGHT? SO MARKETING AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS WILL BE ON THIS SIDE OF THE, OF THE
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LEDGER.AND THEN THE OTHER OF THE DEBT, UH, PROPERTY AT THE ASSET MANAGEMENT, THE LOANS, THE RENEGOTIATION OF THE LOANS FOR INTEREST RATES SO FORTH WOULD BE ON THAT SIDE OF THE LEDGER.
WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON THIS SOON.
UM, IF THE BOARD IS SERIOUSLY INTERESTED IN THIS, WE WOULD WRITE SOMETHING UP TO PUT ON THE AGENDA IF I DON'T GET IN TROUBLE FOR BEING TUESDAY NIGHT TO ADD TO THE AGENDA.
BUT, UM, I THINK YOU MISSED HER DEADLINE, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THEY ARE, UH, WE ARE ADVERTISING AND PUTTING THE POSITIONS OUT, UH, THEY'RE LOOKING AT, UM, AN INTERIM DIRECTOR.
AND IF WE'RE GOING TO GO THIS ROUTE, WE NEED TO BE MAKING A DECISION QUICKLY, OR ELSE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE, ARE THEN RE-INFECT IMPACT DIFFERENTLY.
AND YOU NEED TO KNOW WHEN YOU COME IN, WHERE YOU ARE NOW HAS THE, UH, THE CHAIRMAN AND THE EDA BOARD THAT EXISTS NOW, HAVE THEY BEEN MADE AWARE OF THE POTENTIAL FOR CHANGE? THEY WERE DEFINITELY AWARE OF THE CHANGE BEFORE, BECAUSE I HAD TALKED ABOUT IT.
UM, THERE HAS NOT BEEN A DISCUSSION WITH THE BOARD AT THIS POINT, TO MY KNOWLEDGE CURRENTLY.
AND THE BOARD IS PROCEEDING AT THEIR MEETING LAST WEEK.
THEY'RE PROCEEDING WITH THE UPPER LEVEL CURRENTLY, THE WAY IT IS.
AND THAT WOULD BE THE MODUS OPERANDI UNTIL THEY, UNTIL THEY ACTUALLY, UNTIL THE BOARD, THIS BOARD BESIDES IT'S GOING TO CHANGE, AND THIS BOARD DRIVES IT, AS WE SAID BEFORE, BECAUSE OF THAT, CORRECT.
WHEN IF YOU SAY YOU WANT IT TO STAY, AS IT IS, IF YOU DECIDE YOU WANT IT TO COME HERE, THEN THERE'S A LITTLE PATH THAT COMES OFF WHEN IT COMES OVER HERE.
AND THIS PART STILL FLOWS AS IT DOES RIGHT THROUGH HERE.
WE DEFINITELY HAVE A LOT TO THINK ABOUT BEFORE, UM, NEXT TUESDAY, BECAUSE WE, UM, WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS SOLID FOR, FOR EVERYONE.
WELL, AND SO I HAVE TO ASK IT, WHO IS HIRING FOR THE INTERIM POSITION? IS THAT THE EDA BOARD OR IS THAT THE COUNTY IN TARON? WE ARE RIGHT NOW, WE ARE ASSISTING THE HIRING AGENT IS THE EDA TODAY.
IF YOU, IF YOU ARE GOING TO HIRE AN ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT AND AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR TOMORROW, THEY WOULD DO SO WE WOULD ASSIST WITH THE ORGANIZATION OF IT ADVERTISING, ET CETERA, BUT THEY WOULD DO THIS.
UM, I HAVE TALKED TO THE CHAIRMAN ABOUT THE FACT THAT THIS DISCUSSION WAS GOING TO TAKE PLACE THIS EVENING AND THAT WE DISCUSSED HOW WE WOULD DO SOMETHING IN INTERIM.
AND WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT, UH, HOW WE MIGHT DO THAT KIND OF JOINTLY FOR THIS LEVEL, BUT IT STILL GOES, THE EDA BOARD IS THE HIRING AGENT TODAY.
SO WE NEED TO MAKE THIS DECISION IMMEDIATELY BECAUSE THAT WOULD NOT BE, YEAH.
WOULD IT BE FAIR TO A POTENTIAL CANDIDATE TO THINK THEY WERE WORKING UNDER ONE ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE AND THEN BE SWITCHED TO ANOTHER ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE AFTER THEY WERE HIRED? SO I THINK THAT THIS DECISION HAS TO BE MADE
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QUICKLY AND FOR THE INTERIM THAT'S OKAY, BECAUSE WE DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S GOING TO BE A DELAY IN THE HIGH RAIN.UM, WHEN MR. ANS VINO CAME IN, WE SPENT SEVERAL MONTHS GETTING ORGANIZED OUT THERE.
AND WE HAD, WE HAD A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS COMING ALL AT ONCE THAT WE HAD TO DO AND GET DONE SO THAT HE STARTED IN JANUARY AND WE DIDN'T ADVERTISE UNTIL THE END OF MARCH.
AND MR. PARSONS STARTED THE BEGINNING OF MAY.
SO IF WE ADVERTISE NOW, IT'S APPROXIMATELY 60 DAYS THAT WE COULD BE LOOKING AT SOMEONE MAY BE 90 DAYS, BUT WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING WITHIN A REASONABLE TIMEFRAME IN THERE.
SO THE INTERIM IS GOING TO BE LOOKING AT SOMEWHERE IN TERMS OF THREE TO SIX MONTHS, KIND OF LIKE YOUR INTERNAL COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
WELL, NOT THIS BECAUSE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS BECOME MORE INVOLVED WITH THE EDA OPERATIONS.
AND IS THAT THE POINT OF IT? YOU BECOME MORE AN OPERATOR INVOLVED LIKE YOU ARE WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING IS WHAT IT IS.
YOU BECOME INVOLVED SIMILAR WAY.
YOU ARE WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, THE BUILDING PUBLIC WORKS, FIRE AND RESCUE, ET CETERA.
SO WE, WE WOULD NEED TO MAKE UP THE SEDATE DECISION, WHETHER WE WANT TO BE MORE INVOLVED THAN WHAT WE ARE WITH THE EDA OPERATIONS.
I'M NOT SURE THAT WOULD BE THE RIGHT WAY TO GO THIS FOOT GOOD OR SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT IT.
IT'S, THERE ARE PROS AND CONS, BUT YOU NEED TO, YOU NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT RIGHT, WHEN YOU SAY MORE INVOLVED, IS THAT MORE INVOLVED AND JUST THE TRANSPARENCY OR THE ACTUAL, UM, DECISION-MAKING WELL, THE PROBLEM WITH TRANSPARENCY.
THE BOARD IS NOT INVOLVED IN THE DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT OR FIRE AND RESCUE OR SOMETHING.
AND I DON'T SEE WHERE THE BOARD WOULD BE INVOLVED IN THE DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS OF AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.
NO, THEY WOULD NOT, BUT YOU WOULD HAVE MORE GENERAL OVERSIGHT SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU HAVE NOW WHEN MR. HAYES IS WORKING ON PROJECTS, EVERY SO OFTEN HE COMES IN AND TELLS THE BOARD WHAT HE'S DOING, BUT HIS DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS AND WHAT HE'S WORKING ON, THAT'S MRS. LOGAN, THAT'S NOT THE BOARD.
AND I THINK IT'S, IT WOULD BE MORE OF AN OPERATION LIKE THAT IS WHAT IT WOULD BE.
YOU WOULDN'T BE DOWN HERE HAVING YOU WOULDN'T BE DOWN HERE AND HAVING TO SIGN A CHECK TO PAY THE PHONE BILL.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO WRITE SOMETHING TO SAY, THE ELECTRIC BILL IS THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY, ET CETERA.
BUT SOME ARE THEY'RE THERE WHEN THEY BRING IN BUSINESS OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
A LOT OF WHAT THEY DO IS CONFIDENTIAL THOUGH.
AND IT UP TO A CERTAIN POINT, AND THAT'S STILL OKAY, THAT WOULD NOT BE THE, YOUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR WOULD STILL BE THE PERSON WHO'S BRINGING IN PROSPECTS AND TALKING TO THEM AND THAT'S CONFIDENTIAL.
AND THEY WOULD BRING IN OTHER PEOPLE WHEN IT'S NECESSARY, AS THEY TALK TO THE BOARD, IF A COMPANY WANTS TO MAKE A ONCE AN INCENTIVE AND IT'S GOING TO BE MATCHED BY THE STATE, UH, THEN THEY COME BACK AND WE TELL THE BOARD WHAT IT'S ABOUT, BUT THAT'S WHEN THE BOARD, THIS BOARD BECOMES INVOLVED.
OTHERWISE YOU'RE NOT INVOLVED WITH IT.
IT'S THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR.
IF THERE'S A ZONING, PLANNING RELATED QUESTION, THEY GO TO MR. PETTY AND PERHAPS TO MRS. LOGAN, DEPENDING UPON WHAT THAT IS AND SAY, UM, IF THERE'S A FINANCE ISSUE, THEY WOULD GO DOWN HERE AND TALK TO MR. ROBERTS.
ALL RIGHT, WELL, I'M GOING TO CALL THE ELEPHANT OUT IN THE ROOM.
HOW DOES THIS AFFECT THE TOWN COUNTY FRONT ROYAL WARREN COUNTY EDA? BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST THE COUNTY EDA.
IT IS THE FRONT ROYAL WARREN COUNTY EDA.
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SOME PEOPLE MIGHT THINK IT STILL IS.IT'S STILL LEGALLY THE FRONT ROYAL WARREN COUNTY EDA.
IF I WAS SITTING WHERE YOU SAID, I WOULD INVITE THE TOWN COUNCIL TO PARTICIPATE IN A STAFF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT THAT WORKS FOR THE EDA, BUT CAN ALSO WORK FOR ELSA IN THE COUNTY AND THE TOWN ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.
AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE, UM, THE BEST TAX ADVANTAGE FOR THE COMMUNITY IS IF WE WOULD ACTUALLY, UH, COLLABORATE AND NOT CREATE INDEPENDENT ORGANIZATIONS, BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE'RE SPENDING TWICE THE MONEY TO DO THE SAME, TO DO THE SAME JOB.
IF REDUNDANCY IS EXACTLY WHAT IT IS.
SO, UM, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION THING GO F R E D A IS ON THE AGENDA THIRSTY.
SO THIS WOULD BE YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS IT.
AND THERE'S LOTS OF THING THAT THE DEPARTMENT WOULD WORK ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WISE THAT DO NOT FALL UNDER ONE OF THOSE FOUR CATEGORIES FOR THE EDA TO NEED TO DO SOMETHING THEY WOULD WANT.
YOU'D WANT THEM TO BE INFORMED AND KNOW ABOUT IT, BUT THEY WOULD NOT BE DIRECTLY INVOLVED IF YOU WILL, UH, IN PROJECTS THAT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OR IS WORKING ON WITH, UM, THE TOWN OR THE COUNTY STAFF PEOPLE, OR WORKING WITH AN INDIVIDUAL REALTOR ON HELPING THEM DO SOMETHING AND SO FORTH ONLY WHEN IT BECAME A, UH, SOMETHING THAT GOES TO AND FITS INTO ONE OF THESE CATEGORIES SOMEPLACE, WOULD THE EDA BECOME INVOLVED? IT BECOMES A POLICY BOARD IS WHAT IT BECOMES.
IT'S LIKE YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO IT WOULD CREATE POLICY MANAGED DEBT, UH, MANAGE ASSETS, A PROPERTY, MAKING SURE THAT THOSE WERE KEPT FROM A MAINTENANCE STANDPOINT IS THAT ONE OF THE RESPONSIBILITIES THAT YOU FORESEE THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THEY WOULD BE LOOKING AT AND MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS ON, THEY NEED MONEY FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO VARIOUS FACILITIES THAT THEY OWN.
UH, AND THEN THE OTHER SIDE WOULD, WE WOULD COLLECT THE, THE, UM, FDA LOANS OR WHATEVER THE, WELL, WE WILL DO THAT FOR THEM IN ANY EVENT, WE'RE GOING TO START COLLECTING IT.
IT'S STILL GOING TO GO IN TO FHA LENS.
IT'S STILL GOING TO GO IN HERE IN THIS SMALL ACCOUNT.
THAT'S THE EDA DAYS, BUT, UM, LET ME TAKE THAT BACK.
IT GOES INTO THIS, RIGHT? IT WAS IN THAT ONE.
UM, BUT YOU WOULD, THEY WOULD STILL DO THAT THE SAME AS THEY DO, BUT WE ARE PHYSICALLY GOING TO START DOING THAT, UH, WITH MRS. HENDERSON, UH, MOVING NEXT DOOR, UH, MR. ROBINSON'S ARE ALREADY BEEN WORKING TO SET THAT UP WITH ZACH HENDERSON AND THEY'LL BE HANDLING THAT FOR US IN THE FUTURE.
HE'S VERY WELL ORGANIZED AT HOW TO CHART THEM AND COLLECT THEM.
I THINK THERE ARE LOTS OF MOVING PARTS.
IF YOU WANT IT TO BE A POLICY BORDER, A ACTIVE BOARD, HOW YOU WANT IT TO FUNCTION.
DALEY, WHAT DO OTHER JURISDICTIONS DO WITH RESPECT TO THEIR, I KNOW FAUQUIER COUNTY WHERE, UM, MR. PARSONS IS GULLWING HAS A VERY SIMILAR STRUCTURE TO THE, TO THAT BOTTOM SECTION THAT YOU'VE DESCRIBED THERE.
THE VA DIRECTOR IS IN, ON STAFF, IN THEIR, IN, IN THEIR ORGANIZATION, IN THE FAUQUIER COUNTY ORGANIZATION, AS OPPOSED TO BEING A SEPARATE ENTITY AS AN EMPLOYEE OF AN EDA.
AND THAT IS VERY COMMON, UH, THAT IS CITY OF WINCHESTER, ET CETERA.
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IT'S A VERY COMMON STRUCTURE.UM, THE EDA IDA, WHICHEVER IT IS TRADITIONALLY HAS LIMITED ORGANIZATIONAL ASSETS, RIGHT? OPERATING EXPENDITURES.
THEY'RE PRIMARILY A CAPITAL AND THE VEHICLE WORKING FOR THE GOVERNING BODY, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THE TOWN COUNCIL, WHOMEVER, AND THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING WITH A NEW BUSINESS, AND THEY WOULD USE A VEHICLE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT BOND.
SO THE EDA ISSUES, THOSE BONDS FOR THEM, AND THEN KEEPS TRACK OF THEM, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE A FULL TIME STAFF THAT WORKS JUST FOR THEM.
THE EDA DIRECTOR HAS MUCH MORE ACTIVITIES, THE BROADER SCOPE.
WELL, I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE EDA DIRECTOR DOING HIS JAW INSTEAD OF GETTING WRAPPED UP OR WRAPPED UP IN THE, THE ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE OF THE BOARD.
NOW, GRANTED THAT HE, HE HAS WORKED IN THE PAST TO WHERE, IF HE HAD A PROSPECT, HE HAD PEOPLE THAT HE COULD DRAW INFORMATION FROM AND THEY WORKED KIND OF TAG TEAM THAT WAY.
AND, BUT HE STILL MAINTAINED CONTROL OF THAT CLIENT.
AND THAT'S THE WHOLE IDEA, AS LONG AS HE'S MAINTAINING CONTROL OF THAT CLIENT, BUT YOU CAN DO THAT NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE, IF WE, IF IT'S SET UP CORRECTLY.
AND I BELIEVE THAT THAT BOTTOM SECTION IS, IS SETTING IT UP TO WHERE WE HAVE A DIRECTOR WHO WORKS FOR THE COUNTY.
WE'VE GOT AN EDA BOARD THAT MANAGES THE ASSETS THAT MANAGES, UH, THAT MANAGES ALL OF THE MOVING PARTS OF THE EDA.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE CHARTERED OR NOT CHARTERED, BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE ASKED TO DO.
THEY CAN PERFORM THEIR FUNCTION AS THE DIRECTOR CAN PERFORM HIS FUNCTION WELL IN A PERFECT WORLD.
WELL, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE DEVELOPING A PERFECT IN A PERFECT WORLD.
WHAT I VISIONED WOULD BE AN EFFORT, ROYAL WARREN COUNTY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY THAT WOULD HAVE AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR LOOKING OUT FOR BOTH THE FRONT ROYAL AND THE WARREN COUNTY INTERESTS.
AND THEN YOU COULD HAVE A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PIECE OF IT, YOU KNOW, UNDERNEATH, THAT'S HELPING TO FILL THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE IN YOUR DOWNTOWN AREA.
YOU'VE GOT YOUR INDUSTRIAL GUY AND, AND YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT GUY MANAGING THE INDUSTRIAL PARKS AND THOSE FOLKS, AND THAT IF IT WERE DONE WELL AND COULD BE COLLABORATIVE, COULD BE EXTREMELY EFFECTIVE.
AND THAT WOULD BE IN A PERFECT WORLD THE WAY THAT I WOULD ENVISION.
BUT AREN'T YOU TRYING WITH WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO? AREN'T YOU TRYING TO DO THAT BY GETTING THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY WORKING TOGETHER TO DO THIS STUFF.
I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'VE GOT THEIR ISSUES.
THEY'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT OUR ISSUES NOW THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SMOOTH THOSE THINGS OUT AND SAY, LET'S DO THIS STUFF TOGETHER BECAUSE WITHOUT IT, WE BOTH LOSE AND WE DON'T NEED TO VOTE.
AND NOW'S THE PERFECT TIME BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE BASICALLY WITH A CLEAN SLATE HERE OF STAFF.
SO, UM, YOU'RE NOT ASKING STAFF THAT HAD BEEN IN A POSITION TO RETHINK THE WHEEL.
YOU CREATE IT FOR THE PEOPLE COMING IN AND HOPEFULLY, UM, THE TOWN WILL SEE THE BENEFIT OF THIS TOO.
AND WE CAN COME TOGETHER TO BUILD AND CREATE A SYSTEM THAT'S GOING TO WORK WELL FOR BOTH OF US.
AND B DO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL, THAT WE BOTH NEED IN A MORE ECONOMIC WAY TO BOTH OF OUR FINANCES AND THE TAXPAYERS THAT ARE THE ONES PAYING FOR ALL THIS, WHICH, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO FORGET.
AND THIS IS THAT IT ALL COMES DOWN TO HOW TO DO THIS EFFICIENTLY WITH THE TAX DOLLARS THAT WE'RE, THAT WE HAVE.
UM, SO, UM, I, I THINK IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THEM.
AND I LOOK FORWARD TO DOING THAT.
SO THE BOARD WANTS TO DISCUSS THIS NEXT TUESDAY.
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AND WE WANT TO DISCUSS IT AND WE WANT, WELL, MY THOUGHTS ARE PERHAPS THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD DISCUSS WITH THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE WOULD BE, THEY SHOULD BE A PARTNER AS WELL AS WE ARE.WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE TALKING TO HIM AT THAT TIME.
SO YOU WANT AT LEAST THREE AS FAR AS SO FAR.
SO, SO AS LONG AS THEY ARE CONSIDERED IN, IS THE PARTY UP, WHAT, ANY CHANGES THAT WE MAKE THEY SHOULD BE PUT UP? ABSOLUTELY.
I THINK WE WELCOME THE, THE, YEAH.
AND THIS, THIS CHANGES NOTHING IN THE AGREEMENT THAT EXISTS TODAY.
THERE WAS NO AGREEMENT THAT SAYS WARREN COUNTY AND OR TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL AND WARREN COUNTY ARE GOING TO SEND ALL THAT MONEY OVER FOR AN OPERATING STAFF.
THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO DO THAT.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO CHANGE ANY OF THAT AS A FORMAL AGREEMENT.
WELL, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR ANYTHING ON THAT? IF NOT DONE CHAIR, A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
I THINK WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT.
WE ARE ADJOURNED AND A LOT OF GOOD DISCUSSION, A LOT OF GOOD THINGS HAPPENING.