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          OKAY, GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. 
          I, BY MY WATCH IT'S 7 0 1. 
          SO I'M GOING TO CALL THIS SPECIAL MEETING OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. 
          UM, PUBLIC WORK, PUBLIC HEARINGS TO ORDER, UH, IF EVERYONE WOULD PLEASE STAND, WE'LL START OFF WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. 
          THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR THAT. 
          AND JUST A HOUSEKEEPING THING. 
          I HAVE, UM, AN ADJUSTMENT TO OUR AGENDA, UM, AND EMOTION THAT I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS POSTPONED THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 2021 DASH 10 DASH OH TWO, THE TRAVIS DATSUN FOR A COMMERCIAL OUTDOOR RECREATIONAL OPERATION FROM JANUARY 18TH, 2022 TO A SPECIAL MEETING ON FEBRUARY 22ND, 2022 BEGINNING AT SEVEN 30. 
          YEAH. 
          ROW HOME IS SHIRAKI MR. MABE, MRS. COOK, MADAM CHAIR. 
          I MR. BUTLER. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S OUT OF THE WAY. 
          AND AT THIS TIME I WANT TO READ THE PUBLIC HEARING CONDUCT AND ALL COMMENTS WILL BE DIRECTED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, NOT TO THE AUDIENCE, BE CONSIDERED OF YOUR FELLOW SPEAKERS. 
          THERE SHOULD BE NO APPLAUSE, BOOING OR OTHER AUDIBLE DISRUPTION TO THE PROCEEDINGS THROUGH A SHOW OF HANDS. 
          THE CHAIRMAN MAY ASK FOR A SHOW OF SUPPORT FOR COMMENTS MADE BY SPEAKERS, PLACARDS POSTERS, AND OTHER MEANS OF VISUAL DISPLAY OF COMMENTS WILL NOT BE PERMITTED IN THE BOARD ROOM MEETING ROOM. 
          AND THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE INFORMATION OR MATERIALS USED AS PART OF A FACTUAL PRESENTATION TO THE BOARD. 
          AT THE, AT THIS HEARING, THE BOARD WILL NOT TOLERATE PERSONAL ATTACKS BY ANYONE ON OR ANY OF THE PARTICIPANTS IN THE PROCEEDING. 
          ANYONE WHO VIOLATES THE GUIDELINE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING, MAYBE ASYLEES BY THE CHAIRMAN 
          [A.1. Conditional Use Permit 2021-10-01, Carl and Jennifer Ey for a Rural Events Facility Located at 1406 Panhandle Road and Identified on Tax Map 35, as Lots 5-1, 5-2, 5-3, and 5B-1 – Matt Wendling]
AND OUR FIRST CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS 2021 DASH 10 DASH OH ONE, CARL AND JENNIFER, I FOR A RURAL EVENTS FACILITY LOCATED AT 1406 PANHANDLE ROAD AND IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 35 AS LOTS, FIVE DASH ONE FIVE DASH TWO FIVE DASH THREE AND FIVE B ONE, MR. WENDLING. 
          YEAH. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          MADAM CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. 
          UH, THE APPLICANTS ARE REQUESTING THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR RURAL EVENTS FACILITY TO ALLOW EVENTS UP TO 200 GUESTS. 
          THE OWNERS WERE RECENTLY APPROVED FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS FOR SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTALS FOR THE, THEIR PROPERTIES LOCATED AT 1406 PANHANDLE AND 1408 PANHANDLE ROAD. 
          THE PROPERTIES PROPOSED FOR THE RURAL EVENTS USE ARE CURRENTLY VACANT AND APPROXIMATELY 41 ACRES AND LOCATED OFF BOTH PANHANDLE ROAD. 
          AND THERE IS ACCESS TO OAK VIEW DRIVE. 
          THE PROPERTIES ARE CURRENTLY USED AS PASTURE LAND AND FOR FORESTRY USES IN THE APPLICANTS PLAN TO KEEP THE PROPERTIES INLAND USE WITH THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE. 
          SINCE ONLY A PORTION OF THESE LOTS WILL BE USED FOR THE RURAL EVENT FACILITIES. 
          THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STATES IN THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IDENTIFIES THE AREA TO BE USED FOR AGRICULTURAL USES. 
          CURRENTLY RURAL EVENT FACILITIES ARE NOW PERMITTED IN BOTH THE AGRICULTURAL AND RURAL RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS. 
          THE ZONING ORDINANCE WAS AMENDED IN NOVEMBER, 2020 TO ALLOW FOR RURAL EVENT FACILITIES IN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. 
          ALSO PORTIONS OF THESE PROPERTIES WILL REMAIN AS FORCED IN PASTURE AND QUALIFY FOR LAND USE TAXATION STATUS. 
          UH, THIS APPLICATION HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO A V DOT THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND, UM, THE LOCAL BUILDING OFFICIAL V DOT, UH, PROVIDED COMMENTS TO US REGARDING THE IMPROVEMENT OF THE ENTRANCE, WHICH WOULD BE, UH, UH, GO THROUGH THIS, THEIR STANDARD LAND USE PROCESS. 
          UH, AND THE APPLICANT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO DO THAT PRIOR TO ANY, UH, RURAL EVENT TAKING PLACE. 
          THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, UM, DID REVIEW THIS. 
          THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED A PRIVATE WELL AND A CONDITIONAL SEPTIC SYSTEM DEDICATED TO THE FACILITY AND THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT HAD NO PROBLEMS 
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WITH THAT. 
          THEY ACTUALLY WOULD PREFER THAT TO ANY TYPE OF PORTABLE, UH, FACILITIES, BUT WOULD BE OPEN FOR, UH, AN EVENT, UH, PER EVENT, UH, REVIEW OF WHAT HE WAS GOING TO USE PRIOR TO THE, UH, SEPTIC SYSTEM BEING INSTALLED. 
          UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID MOVE THIS FORWARD, UH, WITH THE CONDITIONS AS OUT, UH, PRESENT, BUT WE DID RECEIVE COMMENTS FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF CONSERVATION RECREATION, UH, REGARDING THE NOISE, UH, POSSIBLE NOISE FROM THE EVENT OVER AT THE SHENANDOAH RIVER STATE PARK, ANDY GAS, STATE PARK, AND REQUESTED BECAUSE, UH, THEY HAVE SET QUIET HOURS AT 10:00 PM EVERY NIGHT, UM, THAT THE APPLICANT, UH, HAVE HIS EVENTS. 
          AND BY THAT TIME, SO WE DID MODIFY THE, UH, CONDITION NUMBER FOUR FROM 11:00 PM DEADLINE TO AT 10:00 PM. 
          AND, UH, THESE ARE THE CONDITIONS THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, WORK COUNTY, BUILDING INSPECTIONS, WARREN COUNTY, FIRE AND RESCUE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS. 
          NUMBER TWO, THE PARKING AREA FOR THE EVENT SHALL BE IN A LOCATION APPROVED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. 
          NUMBER THREE, THAT THE PROPERTY SHALL COMPLY WITH THE COUNTY'S NEW NOISE ORDINANCE IN WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION 1 23. 
          NUMBER FOUR, ALL EVENTS MUST BE WITHIN HOURS OF 9:00 AM AND 10:00 PM. 
          NUMBER FIVE, THE ACCESS TO THE PROPERTIES FOR THE EVENT SHALL BE OFF PANHANDLE ROAD AND SHALL HAVE AN APPROVED V DYED ENTRANCE. 
          NUMBER SIX, ALL BUILDINGS CONSTRUCTED ON THE PROPERTY FOR THE RURAL EVENTS FACILITIES SHALL BE COHESIVE WITH THE AGRICULTURAL RURAL NATURE OF THE SURROUNDING AREAS IN THEIR APPEARANCE. 
          AND NUMBER SEVEN, THE TOTAL NUMBER OF GUESTS SHALL BE LIMITED TO 200 PER EVENT. 
          UH, THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISE, ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED. 
          UH, I BELIEVE, UH, YES. 
          UM, MR. I'S HERE THIS EVENING AND I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, THERE YOU ARE. 
          I WAS LOOKING AT THERE. 
          I'M GOOD. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT YOU WERE EVER FOR QUESTIONS. 
          NO, HE LAID UP PRETTY WELL. 
          A MAN, MAN, JOE DID A GREAT JOB, HELPED ME GET THROUGH IT. 
          SO WE'RE GOOD TO GO FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I OPENED THIS, UH, PUBLIC HEARING. 
          DOES ANYONE FROM THE BOARD HAVE QUESTIONS FOR MR. I ON THIS APPLICATION? I HAVE ONE QUESTION. 
          UM, I'M LOOKING AT THE ROAD GOING INTO THE FACILITY, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE INSPECTIONS REGULATIONS AND THEY ALL ARE COMING TOGETHER, BUT I KIND OF LOOK INTRODUCE REAL-WORLD. 
          SO DO YOU, YOU KNOW, WHEN I, MY EXPERIENCE WITH WEDDING RECEPTIONS OF A HUNDRED TO 200 PEOPLE OUT IN AN BEAUTIFUL AREA, SOMETIMES THEY DECIDE THAT THEY WANT TO BRING BUS, A COMMERCIAL BUS, YOU KNOW, TO THE FACILITY BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE, IF THEY HAVE ALCOHOL OR WHATNOT, YOU KNOW, SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW, DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT AT ALL? OR DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS OF THE APP BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHERE YOU'RE LOCATED THE ROAD? I, I KNOW IT FOLLOWS LIKE REGULATIONS AND WHATNOT, BUT IT'S STILL NARROW, YOU KNOW, AND I JUST KINDA WANTED TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT. 
          I CAME UP THIS IDEA OF GOING TO COLLEGE BACK IN CONNECTICUT. 
          I CATERED WEDDINGS 205 NIGHT, FOUR AND A SATURDAY TO AN AFTERNOON TO AN EVENING. 
          WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY BUSES THERE. 
          WE DID PUT IN THE CATERING CONTRACT AND I'M GOING TO DO THE SAME HERE, THAT IF YOU HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PEOPLE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BRING IN A PARKING AND A KIND OF A TRAFFIC PERSON TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE MOTIONS LIKE THAT. 
          AS FAR AS BEING CONDUCIVE TO YOUR CONCERN. 
          I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS A REGULATION FOR THE BUSES HAVING SAID THAT ALONG THE WAY, WHEN I'VE DEALT WITH THE PEOPLE I'VE SPOKEN TO THEM, THEY'VE GIVEN ME SOME KNOWLEDGE, I'M READY TO COOPERATE. 
          THEY CALLED ME AND SAID, HEY, 11 O'CLOCK WAS A NO-GO. 
          I SAID, OKAY, 10 O'CLOCK WAS FINE. 
          I JUST, I WANT TO BE CONDUCIVE WITH THE COMMITTEE, WANTS TO DO SO IF SOMEONE HAS SAID, WE REALLY DON'T WANT BUSES, OKAY. 
          I, OUR BUSES. 
          UM, BUT I DO THINK THAT THE ROAD THEY'RE COMING IN, UH, CAUSE I GO IN AND OUT OF THAT TRAFFIC GOING BOTH WAYS. 
          I THINK IF WE HAD TOO MANY, NOT TOO MANY, BUT IF WE HAD A CERTAIN NUMBER OF CARS COMING IN, BASED ON THE NUMBER OF GUESTS, WE WOULD HAVE SOMEBODY OUT THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE STAYED IN THEIR LANE AND, AND WE DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ANY, ANYBODY GETTING JAMMED UP TO GET THROUGH THERE BECAUSE IT IS RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNERS AND PROBLEM. 
          WELL, YOU KNOW, MA'AM, SO YEAH, I'M CONCERNED. 
          I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT IT, BUT I DO HAVE A WAY TO MITIGATE ANY PROBLEM WITH THE TRAFFIC THERE. 
          AND AGAIN, DON'T HAVE TO HAVE BUSES, BUT I DON'T WANT IT TO, I KNOW A LOT OF WINERIES REFUSED THEM BUSES, SO I'M NOT, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM ANY OF THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS? OKAY. 
          I'M GOING TO ASK MINE 
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THAT WERE PRESENTED. 
          UM, WELL LET ME ASK MRS. SHAHRAKI. 
          DID ANYONE EMAIL ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THIS CONDITIONAL USE? UH, YES. 
          THERE WAS ONE EMAIL COMMENT AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO ONE INDIVIDUAL WHO HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL HOLD MY QUESTIONS THEN. 
          AND I'LL GO AHEAD AND, UM, SEE IF ANYONE FROM THE AUDIENCE WANTS TO SPEAK AND THEN ALL LAST MONTH AT THE END. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YEAH, YOU CAN SIT DOWN. 
          HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? UH, JONATHAN CRUTCHFIELD. 
          OKAY. 
          AND JUST A REMINDER, WHEN YOU COME UP, IF YOU COULD GIVE YOUR NAME AND DO THEY HAVE TO GIVE AN EXACT ADDRESS OR CAN THEY GIVE DISTRICT? SO NORMALLY WE DO EXACT ADDRESS IN THE EVENT OF INDIVIDUALS HAVING SPECIFIC QUESTIONS SO THAT WE CAN MAIL THEM A LETTER IN RESPONSE, BUT MOST OF THEM HAVE WRITTEN DOWN THEIR PHYSICAL ADDRESS ON THE PAPER. 
          SO THEY DON'T NEED TO REPEAT IT IF THEY DON'T WANT TO, BUT OKAY. 
          AND WE DO LIMIT YOU TO THREE MINUTES. 
          OKAY. 
          MY NAME IS JONATHAN CRUTCHFIELD. 
          I LIVE ON WINK. 
          VINCENT ROAD IS A DIRT ROAD THAT PARALLELS BROWN TOWN, AND IT CUTS BETWEEN BOOK MOUNTAIN ROAD AND BROWNTOWN BENTONVILLE ROAD. 
          IT PARALLELS BASICALLY IT BROUGHT THAT ROAD AS HE APPROACHED BROWNTOWN. 
          UH, IT'S NORMALLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S, MOST OF IT IS UNPAVED. 
          IT HAS TWO LOCATIONS, THREE LOCATIONS, IT'S SINGLE LANE ROAD ON, AND WE HAVE QUITE REGULARLY PEOPLE RUNNING THROUGH THAT ROADWAY TO GO TO THE DUMP OR TO GO TO PORTIONS OF BROWN TOWN. 
          CAUSE THEY'RE COMING UP FROM EITHER LYME TENANT OR FROM, UH, BENTONVILLE. 
          THEY'RE JUST COMING IN FROM DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS. 
          AND USUALLY FROM FAR LAUREL, UH, MY CONCERN WITH THIS, UH, EVENT FACILITY. 
          CAN I, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? ARE YOU HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE ONE THAT MR. WRIGHT IS DOING IN BROWNTOWN? WELL, I'M UNDER THE IMPRESSION YOU HAVE EVERYTHING IN CUNY MANOR LOOP IS THIS ALL MR. EYES IS NOT, HIS IS IN BENTONVILLE. 
          THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T WANT YOU TO HAVE TO KEEP GOING. 
          YOU'LL YOU'LL HAVE YOUR TIME FOR THAT ONE, SIR. 
          THANK YOU ANYONE. 
          UM, I GUESS I NEED A, HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON MR. I'S A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR PANHANDLE ROAD AND IF NOT, DOES ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK ON THAT ONE? I'D LIKE FOR THIS, UH, THE, UM, THE TYPE OF ROADWAY AND FOR ALL OF THE CONSIDERATIONS FOR THIS APPLICATION TO BE CONSIDERED ALONGSIDE MR. WRIGHT'S APPLICATION AS WELL. 
          ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS CONDITIONAL USE SECOND CALL. 
          YES MA'AM AND I APOLOGIZE, SIR. 
          WHAT WAS YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          THE REVENUE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, WELCOME JAY AND VICKI TO THE BOARD. 
          AND FOR MORRIS, I WROTE DOWN MY ADDRESS FOR THE OTHER, UM, PUBLIC HEARING THAT I'M GOING TO BE SPEAKING AT. 
          AND I SIGNED UP FOR LATER. 
          UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO COME AND CONGRATULATE AND ENDORSE THE APPROVAL OF THIS PERMIT. 
          UM, I LOVE TO SEE THE PRESERVATION AND THE USE OF OUR OUTDOOR FACILITIES AND I'M FAMILIAR WITH MR. I'S PROPERTY. 
          UM, SO I WOULD LIKE TO ENDORSE IT. 
          THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CONSIDER APPROVING HIS PERMIT TONIGHT AS WELL, AND TAKE HIS PERMIT INTO CONSIDERATION WITH THE OTHER PUBLIC HEARING ON THE AGENDA. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? YES, SIR. 
          WELL, I'M WILLIAM BARNETT. 
          I LIVE ON 1, 1, 1, 5 BUCK MOUNTAIN ROAD IN BENTONVILLE. 
          AND I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN WARREN COUNTY FOR MANY, MANY DECADES AND EVERYTHING IN VARIOUS ASPECTS. 
          AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE IN WARREN COUNTY IS, AND FRONT ROYAL IS THAT WE HAVE WONDERFUL THINGS TO VISIT WONDERFUL THINGS TO DO AND VERY FEW PLACES TO STAY. 
          AND SO I FULLY SUPPORT THIS EFFORT AND EVERYTHING TO DO THIS AND ALSO TO HAVE EVENTS CENTERS, BECAUSE THE PROBLEM IS THE ECONOMIC PRESSURE ON PRESERVING RURAL LAND AND AGRICULTURAL LAND AND WOODLAND IN WARREN COUNTY IS VERY, VERY TOUGH AND THE, AND THE EASY WAY OUT IS TO DEVELOP IT, KNOCK DOWN THE TREES, BULLDOZE IT ALL FLAT AND PUT AND BUILD HOUSES TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU'RE ALLOWED BY THE LAW AND EVERYTHING. 
          AND SO THIS VERY 
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THING THAT, UH, THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING HERE HELPS TAKE THE PRESSURE OFF OF THAT SO THAT WE CAN END UP PRESERVING OUR RURAL QUALITY OF LIFE AND, AND ALSO ALLOWING PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE OUR COMMUNITY TO ENJOY THE RICHES THAT WE ENJOY IN, IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO I WOULD FULLY SUPPORT THIS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, SOMEONE'S ONE STEP AHEAD OF YOU. 
          I'M ANGELA ANGELA KELLER 5 6, 7 1 GOONIE MANOR LOOP. 
          I KNOW IT WAS MENTIONED BY MR. VAUGHT, THAT YOU SHOULD TAKE BOTH OF THESE INTO CONSIDERATION AND LOOK AT THEM THE SAME WAY, BUT THEY ARE TWO SEPARATE THINGS. 
          AND SO, ALTHOUGH I SEE THAT POINT, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THEM FOR WHAT THEY ARE. 
          AND FOR INSTANCE, IF MY, IF MY NEIGHBOR COMMITS A CRIME, I DON'T WANT TO BE PUNISHED FOR HIS THEY'RE VERY DIFFERENT, VERY DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITIES, ROADWAYS, AND THEY HAVE THEIR OWN PARTICULAR SITUATIONS. 
          AND SO I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO LOOK AT THEM SOLELY BASED ON THE SPECIFIC NEEDS OF THE CITIZENS IN THE AREA OF WHERE THOSE, THOSE PROJECTS ARE BEING PROPOSED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THIS IS COLORS JUST REAL QUICK. 
          UM, I DID PROVIDE, UH, COMMENTS IN YOUR PACKETS FROM ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS. 
          UM, AND THEY, THEY JUST HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE EASEMENT, UH, BUT THERE IS A GATE ACROSS THAT EASEMENT. 
          SO, UM, IT'S CLEARLY, IT'LL BE CLEARLY IDENTIFIED THAT THAT IS A PRIVATE EASEMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THAT WAS THEIR MAIN CONCERNS IS JUST PROP, UH, TRESPASSING AND WHATNOT. 
          AND THE BOUNDARIES WILL BE CLEARLY MARKED. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WE'LL, WE'LL GET MRS. SHAHRAKI TO READ THOSE. 
          I THINK THERE'S JUST A COUPLE, SO WE'LL GET, UM, OKAY. 
          ANYONE ELSE AT THIS TIME, IF NOT, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON AND LET MRS SHIRAKI READ, UM, THE EMAIL COMMENTS, SORRY, PUT YOU ON THERE. 
          SO THIS IS FROM PAUL AND JENNIFER HILL OF 1, 1 0 9 PANHANDLE ROAD. 
          UH, WE APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME TO READ OUR COMMENTS AND CONCERNS. 
          ON THIS MATTER. 
          WE HAVE LIVED IN THIS COMMUNITY. 
          MOST OF OUR ADULT LIVES. 
          JENNIFER HAS BEEN A TEACHER IN THE WARREN COUNTY SCHOOL SYSTEM FOR 20 YEARS, AND I'VE BUILT A BUSINESS WHICH EMPLOYEES, OTHER PEOPLE FROM OUR COUNTY, MYSELF AND MY NEIGHBORS VOLUNTARILY COMMUTE TO THE CITY FOR OUR OCCUPATIONS, BECAUSE WE SO ENJOY RETURNING TO A BEAUTIFUL AGRICULTURAL AREA WHERE WE ENJOY THE PEACEFUL, SLOWER PACED LIFESTYLE. 
          I CAN'T HELP, BUT QUESTION WHETHER THE FAMILY WOULD COMMUTE TO THIS AREA EACH DAY TO RUN THIS BUSINESS ENDEAVOR. 
          WE URGE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO STUDY THE PROPOSED USE PERMIT FOR THIS EVENTS FACILITY CAREFULLY. 
          AND IN DOING SO CONSIDER THE TAX, PAYING RESIDENTS WHO CHAIRS THE QUIETER LIFESTYLE IN PLACE. 
          WE URGE THE BOARD TO KEEP THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE AGRICULTURAL PARTS OF OUR COUNTY UNDER TIGHT SCRUTINY. 
          HERE'S A LIST OF QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS WE HAVE REGARDING THIS APPLICATION. 
          HAS THERE BEEN A SITE PLAN SUBMITTED FOR THIS PROJECT CONTAINING PLANS FOR BUILDINGS AND PARKING? IS THE CONSTRUCTION GOING TO BE ABOVE THE FLOOD? PLAIN? IS THERE A PLAN SHOWING AN ENTRANCE FROM PANHANDLE ROAD? AND IF SO, WHERE ARE THEIR RIGHT OF WAY ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE DEALT WITH? IS THERE AN OPERATIONAL PLAN? I E WEEKDAYS WEEKENDS, HOLIDAYS, SECURITY AND TRAFFIC CONTROL, PLEASE CONSIDER INCREASED TRAFFIC ALONG INDIAN HOLLOW ROAD, PANHANDLE ROAD, AND ROUTE THREE 40, ESPECIALLY ON WEEKENDS WHEN THERE IS ALREADY A LARGE INFLUX OF TRAFFIC DUE TO THE ANDY GUESTS STATE PARK. 
          LOOK WHEN FEDERAL CAMPGROUNDS, SHENANDOAH RIVER ACCESS SKYLINE DRIVE CANOE, LIVERIES, HORSE, AND MARATHON EVENTS HELD DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS WHILE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE APPRECIATE THE IMPROVEMENTS TO PANHANDLE ROAD. 
          IT IS STILL A COUNTRY ROAD WITH SHARP TURNS, BOTTLENECKS AND VERY LIMITED SHOULDERS. 
          IT IS FREQUENTLY USED BY HIKERS, HORSEBACK RIDERS, JOGGERS FARMERS, AND INCREASING LOCAL TRAFFIC DUE TO THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ALONG IT, THERE IS A GOOD POSSIBILITY THAT ANY CONSTRUCTION IN AND NEAR THE RIVER BOTTOM AREAS, THEY DISTURB ARCHEOLOGY ARTIFACTS YET DISCOVERED AND STUDIED BY FUTURE GENERATIONS. 
          THE THUNDERBIRD SITE REGISTERED WITH THE VIRGINIA ART. 
          THE VIRGIN, THE THUNDERBIRD SITE IS REGISTERED WITH THE VIRGINIA ARCHEOLOGY ASSOCIATION. 
          THIS SITE IS LESS THAN FIVE MILES FROM THE PROPERTY. 
          IN QUESTION, WE FEEL THIS SHOULD BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. 
          IF THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY IS NOT INTERESTED IN BEING A STEWARD FOR EXPLORING THIS AND THE COUNTY OF WARREN AND THE STATE OF VIRGINIA SHOULD BE FINALLY, IF THIS EVENT CENTER PRESENTED AS AN INNOCENT, THAT WEDDING VENUE GETS STARTED, THE NEXT PHASE MAY BE A LODGING HOTEL SLASH RESTAURANT COMPLEX. 
          OUR HOPES ARE THAT THE AREA CAN STAY RURAL AS LONG AS POSSIBLE. 
          WE ARE NOT AGAINST PERSONAL GAIN BY ENTREPRENEURSHIP, BUT MORE SO SUPPORTIVE OF FORESTRY, AGRICULTURAL AND WILDLIFE MANAGEMENT EFFORTS. 
          IF THE OWNERS ARE NOT GOING TO BECOME FULL-TIME RESIDENTS OF THEIR OWN PROPERTY. 
          AND THAT WAS THE ONLY EMAIL THAT I HAD RECEIVED THAT WAS NOT ALREADY IN YOUR PACKETS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I'M GOING TO ASK THE QUESTIONS, UM, AND YOU HAVE, IF YOU WANT TO COME BACK UP, CAUSE YOU ADDRESSED SOME OF THESE WITH ME EARLIER, AND THESE WERE, UM, ASKED FROM LOCAL RESIDENTS, UM, THE CONCERN FOR THE 
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ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDY. 
          AND I DID REACH OUT, I'M NOT SURE IF WE GOT AN ANSWER ON WHETHER THAT MAY BE NEEDED BECAUSE OF THE LAND DISTURBANCE HERE, THE FLINT RUN ARCHEOLOGICAL SITE AREA DESIGNATED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF HISTORIC RESOURCES IS A SIGNIFICANT DISTANCE FROM THIS PROPERTY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WE DID NOT GET COMMENTS FROM THEM BECAUSE THIS RE THIS JUST PRETTY MUCH JUST CAME UP. 
          UM, I'M REALLY NOT SURE THIS HAS NOT COME UP BEFORE. 
          TYPICALLY WE WOULD LOOK AT OUR MAPS AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S OUTSIDE SENSITIVE AREAS LIKE THAT. 
          AND SOME OF THOSE AREAS ARE PROTECTED AND NOT, AND THAT DATA IS NOT AVAILABLE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. 
          YEAH. 
          FOR THOSE REASONS. 
          UM, AGAIN, THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN UTILIZED FOR FARMING FOR MANY YEARS. 
          I BELIEVE YOU'RE AWARE THAT MS. COLORS AND, UH, SO I, I, I'M NOT SURE AS FAR AS CONDITIONS GO, AS FAR AS, UH, WHAT WE WOULD DO ABOUT IN REGARD TO SOMETHING LIKE THIS. 
          UM, YEAH. 
          AND, AND, AND WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN IF SOMETHING DID COME UP WITH THAT COMPLETELY, YOU KNOW, UH, DISRUPT HIS, HIS, UH, PLANS FOR, FOR THIS EVENT CENTER. 
          UM, SO, OKAY. 
          AND THEN MY NEXT QUESTION, UM, AND, AND I THINK YOU MAY HAVE TALKED TO A COUPLE OF YOUR NEIGHBORS ABOUT THAT. 
          DO HAVE, UM, YOU HAVE COUPLE OF DIFFERENT EASEMENTS, UM, ONE FOR THE ADJACENT FARM OWNER AND HIS HAY MAKING PROCESS AS WELL. 
          AND THEN THERE'S ONE GENTLEMAN THAT HAS AN EASEMENT TO THE RIVER TO ACCESS RIVER CROSS YEARS. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, HAVE YOU TALKED TO THEM AND EVERYBODY'S GOT A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S GOING TO BE DONE. 
          SO EVERYBODY PLAYS WELL IN THE SANDBOX HERE. 
          WHEN I FIRST CAME OUT HERE, I WROTE TO MY NEIGHBORS AND SAID, HEY, I'M NEW. 
          I'M THE NEW GUY LIKE TO MEET YOU? THAT KIND OF THING. 
          UH, FRANKLY, THE LOCAL HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION WELCOMED US. 
          WE WENT UP THERE, HELPED DO SOME CLEANING AND HUNG OUT A GREAT GROUP GROUP OF PEOPLE. 
          WE'RE NOT IN THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION, JUST BY VIRTUE OF THE WAY THAT PREVIOUS OWNER SET IT UP. 
          I GUESS HE OWNED QUITE A BIT OF PROPERTY THERE. 
          THE PERSONS THAT I WROTE TO DID NOT WRITE BACK, DID NOT CALL AND I'D SAY, HEY, WELCOME. 
          ANY OF THAT KIND OF THING. 
          THERE WAS SOME CONCERN BROUGHT BY MY NEIGHBOR DIRECTLY TO MY, I SAID TO MY LEFT HAND, I'LL GET MY DIRECTIONS MIXED UP, BUT NONETHELESS, UM, AND I ANSWERED THOSE. 
          UM, THE EASEMENT IS THERE. 
          UH, THE GATE IS THERE FOR HIM. 
          HE'S GONE IN AND OUT ALL YEAR. 
          I'M NOT TOUCHING THAT EASEMENT DON'T WANT TO MESS WITH IT. 
          THE AREA THAT VIDA HAS ASKED ME TO WORK ON THE ENTRANCE, WE'LL MAKE IT MORE, WE'LL MAKE IT EASIER FOR HIM TO GET INTO HIS AREA, HIS EASEMENT PATH, TO GET TO WHERE HE WANTS TO BAIL HIS HAY. 
          SO THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE ADDRESSED IT TO ME IN SOME FASHION, EITHER THROUGH MATT OR JOE OR, UM, AGAIN, THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, THE PRESIDENT DID CALL ME AND SAY THIS. 
          SOME PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW SOME MORE CERTAIN EMAIL OUTS. 
          THIS IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO. 
          AND THEY SEEM TO BE FINE WITH IT. 
          SO YEAH, I HAVE REACHED OUT AND THE PERSONS WHO HAVE CONTACTED ME I'VE ANSWERED THEM. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THEN YOU ADDRESSED THE NEXT QUESTION ENTRANCE, UH, AND THE GATE. 
          AND YOU, YOU PLAN TO HAVE YOUR GATE STAY LOCKED, CORRECT. 
          EXCEPT DURING THE EVENTS, YOU KNOW, PART OF THIS WITH THE RENTAL PROPERTIES LIABILITY, THAT KIND OF THING. 
          AND I HAD SOME RENTAL PROPERTY IN THE RAIN. 
          I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT I'VE BEEN IN THE BUSINESS A LITTLE WHILE. 
          HAVING SAID THAT I LOCKED THAT GATE BECAUSE IT TAKES IT RIGHT DOWN THE RIVER. 
          SO I TELL THE CLIENTS HOW LIEUTENANTS, THIS IS, HOW YOU ACCESS IT. 
          SO I KNOW THAT THEY KNOW, AND THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE ACCOUNTABLE WHEN THEY GO DOWN THERE THAT OTHER GATE ON THE EASEMENT IS NOT LOCKED AND I'M AFRAID TO LOCK IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST MY EASEMENT. 
          I MEAN, IT'S CLOSE TO MY PROPERTY, BUT THERE'S TWO MORE NEIGHBORS. 
          I'M NOT SURE. 
          AND I INHERITED THAT WAY. 
          SO YEAH, I MAKE SURE MINE'S LOCKED, IT'LL STAY LOCKED. 
          UM, AND THE ONLY PEOPLE GET THE COMBINATION ARE CLIENTS AFTER THEY'VE PAID AND AFTER THEY'VE, WE'D GO TO THE PROPERTY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND THEN THE RESIDENTS OF THE ROAD BEING CONCERNED THAT VEHICLES WILL GET BACKED UP AND BE BLOCKING THAT IT IS ON A BIT OF A CURVE THERE. 
          UM, BUT YOU'VE SAID WITH THE BUILDING, THE ENTRANCE TO V DOT STANDARDS, YOU DON'T SEE WHERE THAT WAS GOING TO BE. 
          THERE'S ALSO A FORMULA WITH GUESTS, RIGHT? SO IF YOU HAVE 200 GUESTS, THAT'S APPROXIMATELY A LITTLE LESS THAN TWO PER CAR. 
          SO YOU MIGHT HAVE, UM, 200 CARS. 
          YOU PROBABLY MIGHT HAVE 75 CARS WHEN WE GET TO A CERTAIN NUMBER, UH, WE WILL MAKE SURE THERE'S SOMEBODY OUT THERE TO MAKE THE TRAFFIC IS NOT AN ISSUE BECAUSE THE ROAD IS WIDE ENOUGH COMING DOWN, PANHANDLE ROAD, WE'RE UP THERE COMING IN, JUST KEEP COMING RIGHT IN AND PEOPLE GOING IN THE OPPOSITE WAY. 
          YOU CAN PASS. 
          IF I HAVE SOMEBODY OUT THERE HANDLING THE TRAFFIC, WHICH I WILL IN A CERTAIN NUMBER, UH, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT 
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OTHER CARS BEHIND THEM CAN GET AROUND AS WELL. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THE PLAN BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO MAKE, UH, BE A NUISANCE TO MY NEIGHBORS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND YOU SAID THE, THE STATE PARK HAS ASKED YOU ABOUT NOISE AND LIGHT AND YOU PLAN TO CUT IT OFF AT, AT 10 O'CLOCK AND THAT WOULD BE LIGHTS EVERYTHING'S CUT OFF. 
          AND EVERYBODY HAS TO EXIT BY 10. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          I, I MIGHT, I THINK I REMINDED YOU THIS EARLIER, MATT AND I TALKED ABOUT IT AS WELL. 
          THAT USED TO BE IT'S SOME PART DOWN THERE AND CAMPGROUND AND WHAT THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION TOLD ME WHEN WE FIRST MOVED OUT HERE THAT WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, A MINI WOODSTOCK DURING, YOU KNOW, BIG HOLIDAYS. 
          I MEAN, PEOPLE FIND OUR FIRECRACKERS LATE AT NIGHT, YOU KNOW, HAVING A GREAT TIME. 
          I'M CONTROLLING THIS. 
          SO LIGHT GOES OFF AT 10 O'CLOCK OR I HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE THERE AND WE SHUT THE PLACE DOWN. 
          THERE'S NO CAMPERS ON OUT THERE HANGING OUT, JUST LIKE EVERYONE, A FEW MORE BEERS. 
          NOW YOU'RE LEAVING THE PROPERTY NOW WE'RE DONE. 
          SO THAT'S THE PLAN THAT I'M GOING TO STICK TO THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THE, THE FACT THAT THE RIVER YOU'RE, YOU'RE PRETTY LEVEL IN SPOTS WITH YOUR BANK, WITH THE RIVER AND THE POSSIBILITY OF A LOT OF FLOOD AND THAT, THAT LAND IS SWAMPY. 
          AND YOU SAID YOU'RE GOING TO STAY UP ABOVE THE SWAMPY AREA WITH YOUR, UM, PARKING AND BUILDING AND WITH YOUR MR. WINLAND SAID, YOU'RE NOT PUTTING IN PORTABLE, YOU'RE GOING TO PUT IN A SEPTIC WITH BATHROOMS, CORRECT. 
          WE'RE PUTTING IN A SEPTIC WITH BATHROOMS. THAT'S CORRECT. 
          UM, THE SEPTIC FIELD, ACCORDING TO MR. LAMB WILL SUPPORT A 200 PERSON SEPTIC FIELD. 
          AND IT'S A NATURAL SEPTIC FIELD. 
          I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT THAT SAID TO PEOPLE AND LOOK LIKE AT THE END OF THE DAY, BECAUSE THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT DID TELL ME AT A CERTAIN NUMBER OF GUESTS, IF YOU NEEDED TO BRING THOSE PORT-A-POTTIES IN AND NOT THE BLUE JOHNNY'S, BUT THE NICE UPENDED ONES AND TAKE THEM OUT THE NEXT DAY, THEY WOULD SUPPORT THAT. 
          SO I DON'T WANT TO KID ANYBODY HERE. 
          YES. 
          WE WERE PUTTING BATHROOMS IN AND WE'RE PUTTING A SEPTIC FIELD IN HOW BIG THAT'S AN END TO BECOMING. 
          THAT'S GOING TO BE PART OF THE, UH, THE FINAL PLANTS. 
          SO IT BE SORT OF A DUAL SYSTEM. 
          THEN THE PORTA JOHNS ARE THERE, BUT FOR LESS THAN 48 HOURS. 
          OH YES. 
          MA'AM BE GONE BY MONDAY MORNING. 
          I DON'T WANT HIM THERE. 
          I WANT HIM OFF THE PROPERTY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AFTERNOON, THE FACT OF, UH, CONCERN THAT IMPAIRED DRIVING, WHICH, UM, THAT, THAT ONE'S A HARD ONE TO, TO DEAL WITH, BUT YOU, UM, SO THAT EVERYBODY ELSE CAN KNOW THAT, UM, YOU SAID YOU WILL HAVE SOMEONE THERE, WHETHER IT'S YOU OR YOUR HIRED A GENTLEMEN THAT YOU INTRODUCED ME TO TODAY, HE WILL BE THERE FOR ALL EVENTS, OR YOU WILL BE THERE FOR ALL EVENTS, AS WELL AS THE, UM, EXTRA STAFF, IF VEHICLES, UM, EXCEED A CERTAIN NUMBER TWO DIRECT TRAFFIC, IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, THE VEHICLES TOOK CERTAIN EXCEED A CERTAIN NUMBER OF COMING TO THE NUMBER OF GUESTS THAT PEOPLE PROBABLY MAY HAVE. 
          SO I'LL KNOW THAT BEFORE WE EVEN GO TO THE VENUE AND THEN NOT ONLY FOR INSURANCE REASONS, BUT FOR MY OWN, BECAUSE MY PROPERTY IS EITHER ME, ME OR SOMEBODY I'LL HIRE, IT'S GOTTA BE THERE IN A SUIT AND TIE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE REPRESENTING ME OR WHATEVER THE STYLE OF THE WEDDING IS. 
          IF IT'S A, YOU KNOW, CASUAL WEDDING, THEN THEY CAN BE CASUAL, BUT THERE'LL BE SOMEBODY THERE THAT REPRESENTS ME IN MY PROPERTY ALL THE TIME. 
          LET'S START TO BEGIN IT FROM START TO END. 
          THERE'LL BE THE PERSON THAT'S JUST THE LIGHTS OUT AT 10 O'CLOCK. 
          IF IT'S NOT ME. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? YOU HAD THE ONE EMAIL, BUT SHE READ IT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S WHY I WAITED. 
          DIDN'T ASK HER. 
          I JUST WANTED TO SHARE IT. 
          WAS THAT A LOCAL PERSON THAT SENT THAT? YES. 
          YES. 
          IT WAS 1, 1 0 9 PANHANDLE ROAD. 
          SO I COMMUTED FROM ALEXANDRIA OUT HERE TO BE HERE TONIGHT AND THEY'RE LOCAL AND 23 YEARS IN THE ARMY. 
          ONE OF THE THING THEY TAUGHT ME CLEANING. 
          I CLEAN, I CLEAN THAT PLACE AND THAT DO I CLEAN IT MYSELF ALL THE TIME? NO, BUT I GO OUT THERE AND CLEAN IT. 
          SO I'M OUT HERE. 
          I WOULD SAY AT LEAST THREE OR FOUR TIMES A MONTH WITHOUT ISSUE IS IF I'M CLEANING IT OR WHETHER I'M COMING OUT HERE FOR A MEETING, THAT KIND OF THING. 
          SO I WILL COMMUTE WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          WELCOME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS, UH, WE'LL CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING ANY, IS THERE A MOTION ON THIS MADAM CHAIR? I MOVED AT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVED THEIR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST BY CARL AND JENNIFER, I FOR THEIR RULE EVENT FACILITY WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE STAFF. 
          IS THERE A SECOND BY SECOND ROPE? UH, LET'S SEE. 
          DISCUSSION, I WILL SAY. 
          UM, I HAVE ONE CONCERN THAT MAKES ME A LITTLE CAUTIOUS ON VOTING ON THIS TONIGHT. 
          AND IT'S THE ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDY. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE 
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HAD AN ANSWER TO THAT, UM, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO PUT MR. EYE INTO A BIND IF HE PROCEEDS WITH THIS. 
          AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A STUDY. 
          SO I'M WONDERING IF IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR US TO HOLD THIS OFF UNTIL WE FIND THAT OUT AND PUT THIS ON FOR JANUARY 18TH. 
          JUST A THOUGHT MAYBE, UH, I WOULD ASK MR. HAM IF HE COULD ASSIST US WITH THIS, BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE WHAT KIND OF CONDITION WE COULD USE TO ADDRESS THIS. 
          I MEAN, IT MAY BE THAT WE CONDITION IT. 
          WE HAVE THAT STUDY WHILE MR. I CONTINUES ON ONE. 
          WE CAN GET COMMENTS FROM DEPARTMENT HISTORIC RESOURCES, AND THEN IF THERE IS AN ISSUE, UH, THEY, THEY CAN BE IDENTIFIED PRIOR TO MAYBE THE BUILDING PERMIT BEING ISSUED, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. 
          BUT, UH, MR. HAM, YOU ASSISTED, YEAH, THAT'S A BETTER SOLUTION. 
          MA'AM TO ADD THAT AS A CONDITION, UH, AND REMIND THE BOARD THAT YOU HAVE A FULL SLATE OF HEARINGS ON THE 18TH. 
          YEAH, I UNDERSTAND. 
          BUT I'D RATHER ERR, ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION, THE MAKEUP, WHAT THE CONDITION WOULD ADDRESS THAT, COULD WE THEN MODIFY YOUR MOTION TO ADD THAT AS A CONDITION? YES MA'AM. 
          OKAY. 
          SO JUST FOR CLARITY OF YOUR MINUTES, WHAT WOULD THE CONDITION BE, UM, THAT I'M PROCESSING THE CUP ON THE CONDITION OF NO NEED FOR AN ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDY, AS DETERMINED BY WHOM AS DETERMINED BY AND THIS HISTORIC RESOURCES ARE THE PEOPLE WE WOULD REACH OUT TO AS FAR AS COMMENTS. 
          SO WE W WE WOULD NOTIFY DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN RESOURCES FOR THEIR COMMENTS AND ADDRESS ANY CONCERNS OR ISSUES THAT THEY MAY HAVE. 
          I MIGHT I'VE LED, DEALT WITH THEM BEFORE AND THEY CAN BE REALLY SLOW. 
          I MEAN, MAYBE IT WOULD BE GOOD TO GIVE THEM 60 DAYS OR 30 DAYS TO PROVIDE THAT COMMENT. 
          I MEAN, THEY CAN BE MONTHS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS, AND MONTHS AND MONTHS AND, OR EVEN SIX MONTHS. 
          UM, SO I MIGHT SUGGEST THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE THE DEPARTMENT OF, OF DHR, YOU KNOW, 30 DAYS TO PROVIDE ANY COMMENT, OR, AND IF THEY, DURING THAT 30 DAYS PROVIDE AN OPINION THAT THIS SHOULD BE THE SUBJECT OF AN ARCHEOLOGICAL DIG. 
          THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION. 
          AND I HEARD YOUR STAFF SAY THAT THE NEAREST OTHER, THEY DON'T THINK IT'S REALLY OF A CONCERN HERE. 
          SO I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT MY CONCERN IS WE ARE BEING PUT THROUGH AN ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDY FOR THE WORK WE WANT TO DO AT THE BRIDGE, WHICH IS VERY CLOSE. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE OF THAT, IS THAT WHY ARE WE BEING HELD AT A DIFFERENT STANDARD? IT'S, IT'S ALL THE SAME AREA. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT IS WHAT MAKES IT, IT ESCALATES IT IN MY MIND THAT I DON'T WANT HIM TO GET IN TROUBLE OR US TO GET IN TROUBLE BECAUSE I ALREADY KNOW WE'RE BEING HELD TO THAT STANDARD, UM, TO, UH, DO IMPROVEMENTS AT THE BRIDGE, WHICH THEY JUST BUILT A NEW BRIDGE AND THE LAST FIVE YEARS, BUT WE HAVE TO DO ANOTHER STUDY. 
          WELL, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THAT STUFF IS, IS ODD. 
          UM, BUT YOU KNOW, UH, 30 DAYS FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF HISTORIC RESOURCES TO DECIDE IF THEY WANT HIM TO GO TO, TO HAVE SOME OTHER DIG DONE, I THINK WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, REASONABLE IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE, OR YOU CAN JUST LEAVE IT TO DHR. 
          WE DON'T IN OUR CONDITIONS NECESSARILY DEAL WITH EVERY SINGLE OTHER STATE AGENCY THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT HAS TO DEAL WITH. 
          BUT CERTAINLY IF YOU WANTED TO ADD THAT CONDITION, THEN YOU KNOW, THAT'D BE FINE. 
          AND MR. HAM AND MS. SCHOLARS ALSO, I THINK IN THAT TIME PERIOD, WE SHOULD HAVE THE PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT PLAN FROM MR. I'S ENGINEER. 
          AND THAT WILL SHOW THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE PRIMARY AREA THAT WILL BE DISTURBED BY BOTH, UH, CONSTRUCTION OF THE, THE ASSESSORY STRUCTURE AND POSSIBLY THE SEPTIC SYSTEM, THAT KIND OF AREA. 
          SO IT WOULD GIVE THEM A MORE CLARE, UH, AREA OF JUST WHAT IS BEING SERVED INSTEAD OF JUST THAT WHOLE THOUGH. 
          , WE'RE ACTUALLY ASKING THAT ALREADY. 
          I MEAN, IT'S PART OF, AS PART OF YOUR PLAN, CORRECT. 
          UH, WE DON'T HAVE THE DEPARTMENT OF HISTORIC RESOURCES IN THE, THE COMPLIANCE, UH, CONDITION AND NUMBER ONE, I MEAN, I UNDERSTOOD THAT I MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU WERE ACTUALLY TELLING 
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US THAT YOU COULD DO TO MITIGATE THIS. 
          SO, UH, THE INTENT WAS TO HAVE A SITE PLAN OF SORTS FOR MR. I, OKAY. 
          AND SO THE SITE PLAN WILL SHOW THE SPECIFIC AREA, IDENTIFY THE AREA WHERE THE STRUCTURE IS GOING TO BE BUILT, AND THEN POTENTIALLY THE AREA THAT'S GOING TO BE DISTURBED FROM THE SEPTIC SYSTEM. 
          AND WE WOULD PROVIDE THAT THEN TO THE DEPARTMENT OF HISTORIC RESOURCES SO THEY COULD IDENTIFY THE EXACT AREAS AND DIMENSIONS. 
          AND THEN THAT WOULD GIVE US THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO THEM TO ACT AND PROVIDE SOMETHING. 
          UM, I WOULD, AGAIN, MAYBE WHAT WE DO IS WE MAKE SURE THAT WE EITHER HAVE COMMENTS WITHIN A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME FROM THEM. 
          AND THEN, AND ONLY THEN AFTER THAT, THE CONSTRUCTION, THE, THE PERMITS BUILDING PERMITS AND ZONING PERMITS COULD BE 30 DAYS, HE'D HAVE ALL THAT DONE AS WELL. 
          YEAH. 
          AND HE COULD THEN WORK, CONTINUE ON WORKING ON THAT WHILE, UH, WHILE THEY'RE REVIEWING THAT, UH, SITE PLAN, SO TO SPEAK. 
          YEAH, I'M OKAY WITH THAT. 
          SO TO MOVE IT FORWARD WITH THE ADDED, UM, 30 DAY TIME LIMIT ON GETTING THE ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDY, UM, FIGURED OUT YES. 
          IS THERE, WELL, I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, I'VE NEVER SEEN THIS DONE BEFORE. 
          I'M A LITTLE BIT AT A, AT A LOSS OF HOW TO DEAL WITH THIS BECAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY A TRADITIONAL CONDITION THAT YOU YOU'D PUT ON THIS. 
          SO WHAT HAPPENS DURING THOSE 30 DAYS, IF DHR SAYS THERE NEEDS TO BE AN ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDY? UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THAT, THAT MEANS THAT IT DOESN'T HAPPEN. 
          AND, UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY INDICATION MR. WENDLING, THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE AN ARCHEOLOGIC? I MEAN, IT'S DHR, ANYBODY ELSE PROVIDED ANY COMMENT AND DOES THE COUNTY NORMALLY REQUIRE ARCHAEOLOGICAL STUDIES OF THINGS IN THE HISTORY OF ME TAKING THROUGH THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS, WE'VE NEVER REQUESTED COMMENTS FOR DHR THAT I CAN THINK OF FOR CP. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, DEPARTMENT OF CONSERVATION RECREATION DID PROVIDE US COMMENTS BECAUSE THEY ARE LITERALLY DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE STATE PARK. 
          I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT MAYBE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE MAYBE MENTIONED SOMETHING THAT, ABOUT THAT IF IT WAS A HISTORICALLY SENSITIVE AREA OR A SENSITIVE AREA RELATING TO NATURAL RESOURCES, THEIR PRIMARY CONCERNS WAS HOW THE USE WAS GOING TO IMPACT THE PARK ITSELF. 
          UM, AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING TO DIFFERENT STATE AGENCIES, UH, WITH DIFFERENT MISSIONS. 
          SO, UM, WELL, IT WAS GOOD TO HEAR FROM THEM, BUT AGAIN, YEAH. 
          WELL, AND YOU KNOW, I HONESTLY, I KNEW THAT WE HAD TO DO AN ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDY FOR THE BRIDGE. 
          HADN'T EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT IT UNTIL, UM, IT WAS BROUGHT TO ME BY ONE OF THE LOCAL RESIDENTS AND I WAS LIKE, WELL, OKAY. 
          YOU KNOW, AND THEN KNOWING THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT IN LAMBTON, THERE WAS THAT BIG ARCHEOLOGICAL DIG AND THAT WE NOW HAVE TO DO IT OURSELVES. 
          I FEEL LIKE I WOULDN'T BE DOING MY DUE DILIGENCE IF I DIDN'T SAY IT. 
          AND THEN SOMEONE BRING IT UP, CALL DEPARTMENT, WHATEVER THAT DEPARTMENT, UM, UM, AND YOU, MR. I GET SOME PROBLEMS WITH IT. 
          AND, AND WE, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE AND THAT'S ALL I'M TRYING TO DO, NOT MAKE A PROBLEM. 
          AND I THINK THE 30 DAYS, IF WE, IF IT'S APPROPRIATE TO DO SO, IT JUST MAKES ME FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE THAT WE'RE NOT CAUSING A PROBLEM CALL ON CALLS AND A PROBLEM BY TRYING NOT TO CAUSE A PROBLEM ALLY'S SUGGESTION MA'AM YES, SIR. 
          THAT WE ADD NUMBER EIGHT AS THE, UH, CONDITION. 
          AND THAT, THAT CONDITION BE THAT THE SITE PLAN SHALL BE PROVIDED TO THE DEPARTMENT OF HISTORIC RESOURCES FOR A 30 DOOR DAY REVIEW PRIOR TO ANY PERMITS BEING ISSUED. 
          AND HE REQUESTS FOR FURTHER STUDY BY THE DHR WILL BE REVIEWED BY THE BOARD PRIOR TO ANY PERMITS BEING ISSUED. 
          AND THAT SAYS IF WE'LL GIVE THEM 30 DAYS AND IF THEY COME BACK AND SAY, WE WANT TO DO FURTHER STUDIES, THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND DISCUSS THAT WITH THE APPLICANT AND PROCEED FROM THERE. 
          OTHERWISE WE CAN GO AHEAD, MR. HAM, DOES THAT SOUND GOOD TO YOU? IT SOUNDED GOOD TO ME. 
          IT DOESN'T SOUND GREAT TO ME. 
          I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A WAY TO DO IT. 
          I FEEL LIKE WE'RE GETTING BEYOND WHAT THE NORMAL SCOPE OF WHAT THE COUNTY DOES IS, OR GETTING INVOLVED IN WHAT DHR IS. 
          I MEAN, I THINK YOU'VE MADE IT VERY CLEAR TO THE APPLICANT THAT, HEY, YOU 
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KNOW, MAYBE DHR RAISES HIS HANDS AFTER YOU SPEND A BUNCH OF MONEY ON THIS PROPERTY AND SAYS YOU CAN'T BE THERE OR SOMETHING. 
          AND I THINK YOU'VE TOLD HIM THAT, UM, YOU CAN DO THIS, BUT THIS IS A BIT ODD. 
          AND IT WOULD REQUIRE FURTHER ACTION OF THE BOARD. 
          AND, AND I I'M WONDERING IF THAT'S REALLY EVEN REASONABLY RELATED TO THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE WE DON'T ACTUALLY, I MEAN, WE KNOW THAT WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO DO THIS IN A PROPERTY NEARBY, BUT THERE'S NO INDICATION THAT THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY NEEDS TO HAVE THAT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, FOR MY 2 CENTS, I WOULDN'T DO IT BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY OUT OF THE BOX AND IT'S PRETTY UNUSUAL AND I'M NOT CONVINCED LEGALLY IT'S REASONABLY RELATED TO IT. 
          UM, AND YOU'VE WARNED THE APPLICANT, BUT IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND, AND THEN DR. 
          DALEY HAS PROVIDED YOU THE BEST WAY TO DO IT, I GUESS, AT THIS POINT, MR. AY, ARE YOU WILLING TO TAKE THAT RISK? WELL, THEN GO AHEAD. 
          MADAM CHAIRMAN, MY MOTION STANDS AND YOUR SECOND STANCE. 
          THIS IS MY SECOND STANCE. 
          NO CALL MRS.  MR. MABE, MRS. COOK. 
          AYE. 
          MADAM CHAIR. 
          AYE. 
          MR. BUTLER. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU, SIR. 
          SORRY TO MAKE A PROBLEM, BUT I JUST WANT TO ALWAYS MAKE SURE I ERR, ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION. 
          ALRIGHTY. 
          AND I REALIZED, UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT. 
          WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF EMAILS AND WE'RE GOING TO DO OUR BEST. 
          THE REASON WE, UM, MOVE THIS, UM, THESE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS TO TONIGHT WAS BECAUSE WE REALIZED IT WAS A LENGTHY ONE THE LAST TIME WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          AND UM, AT SOME POINT WE, WE HAVE DECIDED WE GOT SO MANY EMAILS THAT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS HAVE MRS. SHAHRAKI AT ONE POINT, READ OFF THE NAMES, UM, OF THE PEOPLE FOR AND AGAINST. 
          AND WE'RE GOING TO GET AS MANY SPEAKERS UP. 
          WE WILL HOLD YOU TO THREE MINUTES BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF SPEAKERS. 
          IF THERE IS A REPRESENTATIVE FOR THOSE, FOR AND AGAINST, THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE THE SPEAKER FOR EVERYONE, OR HOW, IF YOU WANT TO DO IT INDIVIDUALLY, WHERE WE'RE GONNA BE HERE TO HEAR YOU AS BEST WE CAN TONIGHT. 
          SO HAVING SAID 
          [A.2. Conditional Use Permit 2021-10-07, Edwin Wright for a Commercial Campground Located at 2905 Gooney Manor Loop and Identified on Tax Map 47, as Lot 12 – Matt Wendling]
THAT, WE'LL START WITH, UM, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 2021 DASH 10 DASH OH SEVEN, EDWIN, RIGHT, FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR, UM, CAMPGROUND. 
          AND THAT IS LOCATED AT 2,905 GOONIE MANOR LOOP IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP. 
          IT'S 47 LOT 12 MR. WENDLING. 
          HI. 
          YES. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A COMMERCIAL CAMPGROUND ON HIS FAMILY'S PROPERTY. 
          UH, MR. WRIGHT IS THE ACTING MANAGER OF THE PROPERTY AND WOULD BE THE ACTING MANAGER OF THE CAMP. 
          BROWN PROPERTY IS 153 PLUS ACRES AND IS CURRENTLY ACCESSED BY UNI MAIN OR LOOP, WHICH IS A RURAL STATE ROAD. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING, WAS REQUESTING TO HAVE A HUNDRED PRIMITIVE CAMPSITES TO ALLOW FOR TENTS AND SMALL CAMPERS. 
          THE CAMPERS WOULD BE OWNED BY THE CAMPGROUND AND BE PERMANENTLY PARKED AND SERVICED AND MAINTAINED BY THE PROPERTY OWNERS. 
          THE APPLICANTS PLAN TO CONSTRUCT PAD SITES FOR CAMPING, UH, AND HAVE CENTRALLY LOCATED, UH, PORTABLE RESTROOMS AND BATHING FACILITIES TO SERVE AS THE CAMP CAMP SITES. 
          UH, I MET WITH MR. WRIGHT YESTERDAY AND HE HAS REQUESTED A MODIFICATION TO THAT REQUEST TO DROP IT DOWN TO 50 PRIMITIVE CAMP SITES. 
          UH, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT HAS WEIGHED IN AND AS, AS OTHER AGENCIES HAVE, UM, UH, I'LL JUST READ SMALL PORTIONS OF WHAT THEY'VE PROVIDED. 
          THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT HAS STATED ALL PROPOSED BUILDINGS AND FACILITIES MUST BE CONNECTED TO AN APPROVED ON SITE, UH, SEWAGE SYSTEM AND WATER SUPPLY TEMPLATE. 
          TEMPORARY WATER, TEMPORARY FACILITIES WILL NOT BE APPROVED. 
          UH, THE APPLICANT SHOULD ALSO CONTACT PRIVATE OIL, UH, SOIL, ONE SITE, SOIL EVALUATOR, AND LICENSED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER TO DESIGN THAT ONSITE SEWAGE SYSTEM. 
          UH, MR. BEAM, OUR BUILDING OFFICIAL HAS STATED THAT PRIOR TO ELECTRICAL PR, UH, PRIOR ELECTRICAL METER REPLACEMENT WAS ISSUED FOR AN AGRICULTURAL EXEMPTION AND CANNOT BE USED TO SERVE ANY OF ANY PORTION OF THIS ACTIVITY, UNLESS IT IS FULLY PERMITTED REVIEWED AND INSPECTED. 
          AND, UH, VIETNAM HAD, UH, I'LL JUST READ A PORTION OF  COMMENTS ON THIS ONE. 
          AND THEN MAYBE IN THE NEXT COUPLE, BECAUSE 
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WE, THAT WAS, THEY ALL KIND OF ADDRESS ALL OF THEM IN THEIR COMMENTS. 
          SO B THAT DOES STATE THAT ROUTES 6 31 IS A RURAL RUSTIC ROAD WITH POOR VERTICAL AND HORIZONTAL ALIGNMENT AND NARROW ROADWAY. 
          GEOMETRY THAT CARRIES AN AVERAGE OF 80 TRIPS PER DAY. 
          THE ROAD WAY, RIGHT OF WAY, AND FUNDING ARE NOT AVAILABLE TO MAKE ANY IMPROVEMENTS TO THIS ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE ROAD. 
          UH, PLANNING COMMISSION DID MOVE THIS FORWARD WITH A DENIAL OF THE APPLICATION. 
          I WILL FOREGO READING ANY OF THE CONDITIONS UNLESS, UH, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DEEM THAT NECESSARY IN THEIR DECISION. 
          UH, THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED. 
          ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED. 
          MR. WRIGHT IS HERE THIS EVENING, AND I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. 
          MR. WRIGHT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? UM, EDWIN, RIGHT. 
          MY MAIN FARM IS AT 41 51 GREENIE MANOR LOOP. 
          HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT I ALSO DO HAVE A STATEMENT IF YOU DON'T MIND. 
          UM, MY FAMILY HAS HAD A FARM IN BROWNTOWN FOR THREE GENERATIONS AND I MOVED BACK HERE 11 YEARS AGO, SPECIFICALLY TO FIND WAYS TO PROTECT IT FROM BECOMING A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION. 
          AND THAT TIME I'VE EXPANDED OUR FARMING OPERATIONS FROM CATTLE AND HAY TO INCLUDE PIGS, SHEEP, AND HONEYBEES, BUT LIKE SO MANY LOCAL FARMERS WHO HAVE OFF-FARM JOBS TO MAKE ENDS MEET MAINLINE AGRICULTURE CAN ONLY GET US PART OF THE WAY TO OUR GOAL OF SAVING OUR FAMILY FARM. 
          SINCE I WAS A LITTLE KID, I'VE WATCHED WITH AN ACHE IN MY HEART, AS OTHER FAMILY FARMS IN OUR AREA WERE SOLELY PULLED APART FOR NEW HOUSES, LEADING TO MANY NEW WELLS, NEW TRAFFIC AND LIGHT POLLUTION. 
          AND IT'S NOT THAT ALL THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IS BAD. 
          WE NEED MORE AND BETTER HOUSING, BOTH FOR LOCALS AND FOR VISITORS. 
          BUT IF YOU LOOK AROUND THE COUNTY, FOR EXAMPLE, IS WHAT ARE WORKING AS ALTERNATIVES TO RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION. 
          YOU ALSO SEE SUCCESSFUL CAMPGROUNDS, EVENTS, SPACES, WINERIES, BREWERIES, AND OTHER OUTDOOR RECREATION THAT DOESN'T DISRUPT DAILY LIFE. 
          IN FACT, IT IMPROVES OUR EXPERIENCE OF BEING HERE. 
          WARREN COUNTY HAS BEEN BOTH AN AGRICULTURAL COMMUNITY AND A TOURIST DESTINATION FOR A LONG TIME. 
          AND BRINGING THESE TWO FEATURES TOGETHER IS A COMPARATIVELY LOW IMPACT WAY OF CREATING SUCCESS STORIES FOR FAMILY FARMS AND FOR OUR COMMUNITY BY RESISTING HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, THE AG DISTRICT, THE NUMBERS DEFINITELY FAVOR AGRITOURISM RECREATION ON THESE TWO PARCELS. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, EVEN BEFORE WE SCALED BACK IN RESPONSE TO COMMUNITY IMPACT INPUT, CREATING NEW CAMPGROUNDS AND EVENT SPACES WOULD ADD LESS THAN HALF AS MUCH TRAFFIC ANNUALLY AS NEW HOUSES AND LESS ONE FIFTH AS MANY WELL AS COMPARED TO RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION, ALLOWING US TO EMBRACE THESE RECREATIONAL USES INSTEAD OF MORE HOUSES FITS WITH THE COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BY PROTECTING THE VIEW SHED PROVIDED BY OUR OPEN FIELDS AND PRESERVING THE RURAL FEEL OF OUR COMMUNITY. 
          THESE PLANS WILL CREATE LOCAL JOBS, ADD THE TAX SPACE WITHOUT PUTTING A BURDEN ON SCHOOLS, EMERGENCY SERVICES AND HELP US PROTECT THE THINGS WE LOVE AND LOVE TO SHARE ABOUT BROWN TOWN. 
          UH, MR. ONE-LANE DID MENTION THAT THIS IS A APPLICATION THAT WE ARE MODIFYING. 
          WE'RE ASKING, UH, FOR HALF AS MANY SITES AS WE ORIGINALLY DID. 
          UM, AND IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. 
          OKAY. 
          AT THIS TIME, OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          DOES ANYONE ON THE BOARD HAVE QUESTIONS FOR MR. WRIGHT AT THIS TIME? NOT AT THIS TIME. 
          NOT AT THIS TIME. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, SO WITH THE REJECTION, THE REDUCTION OF THE CAMPSITE, OH, SORRY. 
          WITH THE REDUCTION OF YOUR CAMPSITES, WHAT WOULD DEDUCTION OF SERVICES ARE YOU GOING TO GO ALONG WITH IT? FOR EXAMPLE, IT SAYS THAT YOU WERE GOING TO HAVE LIKE 10 OR SO RV UNIT SITES ON THE LOT. 
          YES. 
          AND SO IS THAT CONSIDERED TO BE PART OF THE 50 OR IS THAT GOING TO GO AWAY? UH, YES, WE WOULD LIKE, THOSE TEND TO BE PART OF THE 50 AND THOSE 10, UM, MAY END UP BEING, UH, HIGH-END, UH, CAMPERS THAT WE OWN, OR, UH, YOUR SON PLATFORMS, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S AESTHETICALLY PLEASING THERE. 
          UM, SEVERAL DIFFERENT OPTIONS BEING SUGGESTED BY MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY FOR HOW THOSE WOULD BE IMPLEMENTED. 
          THE MAIN FEATURE OF THOSE IS THAT THEY ARE TEMPORARY AND THAT THEY ARE REMOVABLE. 
          UM, THEY ARE ADA ACCESSIBLE AND THAT THEY ARE ALL WEATHER, UH, FACILITIES, BUT THEY ARE, BUT WE WOULD LIKE THOSE, THOSE ARE ACTUALLY, UH, AN IMPORTANT FEATURE OF THE SITE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND ANOTHER THING, UM, I SEE THAT YOU HAD WRITTEN THAT SMALL CAMPERS WOULD BE, AND COULD YOU DESCRIBE WHAT A SMALL CAMPER THAT IS NOT, I DON'T THINK IN OUR LANGUAGE, WE ARE, UH, PROHIBITING VISITING RVS FROM THIS SITE. 
          UM, IT HAS BEEN SUGGESTED TO US THAT A TEARDROP TRAILERS, UM, BE ALLOWED UP TO A CERTAIN SIZE, BUT WE'RE VERY SKEPTICAL OF THAT BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT, BECAUSE OF THE, UH, TRAFFIC ON, UM, OUR LOCAL ROADS AND, AND PULLING THOSE UP OUR INTENTION IS TO PROHIBIT ANY VISITING RVS. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT AT A CAMPER IN MY MIND, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN HAVE A POOL CAMPER, YOU CAN HAVE A FIFTH, YOU KNOW, A FOUR, A FIFTH WHEELER, I MEAN, A POOL TRAILER. 
          I MEAN, SO 
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WHAT'S YOUR DEFINITION OF A SMALL CAMPER? UH, I WOULD, THE TEARDROP TRAILERS THAT PEOPLE HAVE SUGGESTED THEY WANT TO BRING ARE LESS THAN EIGHT FEET. 
          UM, MY INTENTION IS TO HAVE NO VISITING RVS, NO FIFTH WHEELERS, THAT SORT OF THING. 
          UH, BUT IF YOU, THE, WE, WE'RE HAPPY TO GET INTO MORE DETAIL IN, UH, IN ONE OF THE CONDITIONS TO SPECIFICALLY PROHIBIT THAT. 
          SO YOU'RE SAYING NOTHING LESS A TRAILER, NO. 
          A SMALL CAMPER WOULD BE LESS THAN EIGHT FEET LONG. 
          YES. 
          YES. 
          THAT'D BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT DEFINITION AND THAT FUNCTIONALLY PROHIBITS ALL VISITING RVS AND TRAILERS, EXCEPT FOR SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY MIGHT HAVE ON THE BACK OF THEIR PICKUP TRUCK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          BUT EVEN THEN, WE'RE A PART OF THAT INTENTION IN PROHIBITING VISITING RVS IS ALSO TO PROHIBIT A GENERATOR NOISE AND NIGHTTIME LIGHTS, UH, THAT MIGHT INTERFERE WITH PEOPLE'S EXPERIENCES, BOTH ONSITE AND NEIGHBORS. 
          AND THEN WITH TECH I, AND ON MY BEGINNING TO TEACH IN THE WEEDS, BUT 10 TRAILERS WOULD BE PART OF THAT AS WELL. 
          RIGHT. 
          LIKE POP-UP TRAILERS. 
          YEAH. 
          NO, THAT WOULD BE RESTRICTED TO THE SAME SIZE AND FUNCTIONING A LITTLE BIT INTO, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THAT'S IT FOR RIGHT NOW? YES, SIR. 
          MR. UM, MR. WRIGHT, DO YOU, ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE A CHECK-IN AND CHECK-OUT STATION IN SOMEBODY THERE ALL THE TIME? YES, WE WILL. 
          WE WILL HAVE A CHECK-IN CHECK-OUT STATION, UM, IN THE SAME LOCATION WHERE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE OUR, OUR PUMP HOUSE. 
          UM, AND THEN, UH, WE ACTUALLY HAVE HAD SEVERAL PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITY EXPRESS INTEREST IN COMING UP AND BEING OUR FULL-TIME CAMPGROUND MONITORS. 
          UH, SO THERE WILL BE A FULL-TIME CAMPGROUND MONITOR THERE WHEN THE CAMPGROUND IS OPEN AND ALSO A FULL SERVICE RESTAURANT, UH, RESTROOM. 
          YES. 
          UM, SO THE, UH, HEALTH DEPARTMENT HAVE SAID THAT THEY DON'T WANT US TO USE TEMPORARY FACILITIES FOR THESE, UM, IN WHEN WE'VE HOSTED AGRITOURISM EVENTS, WEDDINGS, AND THINGS IN THE PAST, UH, CONSERVATION AND PRESERVATION GROUPS, UH, BECAUSE WE'RE LIMITED ON OUR CURRENT BATHROOM FACILITIES, WE HAVE BROUGHT IN TEMPORARY TRAILERS AND HAULED THEM BACK OUT AGAIN. 
          UH, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT HAVE SAID THAT FOR THE CAMPGROUND PURPOSE, THEY WOULD LIKE US TO SEE US DO PERMANENT FACILITIES. 
          UM, SO THERE WILL BE A PERMANENT BATHROOM FACILITY ON SITE. 
          HOW ABOUT ELECTRICITY, ELECTRICITY AT EACH ONE OF THE CAMP STARTS? NO, THERE WILL NOT BE ELECTRICITY THAT EVERY CAMPSITE, UH, AS PART OF A, UH, SOIL AND WATER CONSERVATION PROGRAM WE DID WITH THE LORD FAIRFAX SOIL AND WATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT SEVERAL YEARS AGO, WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE WATER AND POWER RUNNING THROUGH MOST OF OUR SITE, BUT WE ARE NOT PLANNING TO DRAW THAT POWER TO EACH SITE. 
          UM, THESE WILL NOT BE LIT CAMPSITES. 
          THIS, THE INTENTION HERE IS TO GET PEOPLE OUT AND, UH, BACK INTO NATURE IN A, IN A, IN A RURAL AND AESTHETICALLY PLEASING WAY. 
          THE, UH, I BRING UP THE WATER THOUGH, BECAUSE IT DOES ANSWER SOME OF THE, UM, THE FIRE CONCERN SINCE, UH, THE FIRE RISK FROM CAMPGROUNDS IN OUR AREA IS ACTUALLY VERY LOW. 
          BUT SINCE WE DO HAVE THE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE ALREADY DRAWN THROUGH FOR OUR WATER CONSERVATION PROJECT, THAT WAS A PROJECT TO EXCLUDE ANIMALS FROM THE STREAMS. UH, IT MEANS THAT WE DO ACTUALLY HAVE THE ABILITY TO SUPPLY WATER AT A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT SITES, BOTH FOR, UH, POTABLE WATER USES. 
          AND IN THE CASE OF, UM, ANY FIRE, UH, HOW ABOUT, HOW ABOUT THE USE OF ALCOHOL, UM, ALCOHOL FIREARMS FIREWORKS, THAT TYPE OF STUFF. 
          UH WE'D UH, I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE GOTTEN A COPY OF OUR CAMPGROUND. 
          OKAY. 
          NO, WE ARE, WE ARE INTENDING EXCEPT FOR SITUATIONS WHERE PEOPLE ARE COMING TO HUNT. 
          WE ARE PROHIBITING THE USE OF FIREARMS ONSITE, UM, FOR, UH, FIREWORKS AND OTHER THINGS ARE PROHIBITED IN THE CAMPGROUNDS. 
          WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO AND MONITOR PEOPLES, UH, YOU, WHETHER PEOPLE ARE DRINKING AT EACH INDIVIDUAL SITE, I THINK THAT'D BE AN INVASION OF PEOPLE'S PRIVACY. 
          UM, BUT WE'RE ALSO NOT PROHIBITING ALCOHOL AT OUR SITE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AS SIR, THE, UH, I'VE READ SOME OF THE COMMENTS FROM, UH, FROM YOUR NEIGHBORS. 
          AND I KNOW THAT, UH, THAT THERE'VE BEEN SOME REAL CONCERNS ABOUT THE INCREASED TRAFFIC IN THE AREA. 
          UH, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED SOME OF THE, UH, UM, THE OPPOSITIONS AND WHAT ARE YOUR MITIGATION STRATEGIES FOR THOSE? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION WE HAVE CONSIDERED, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE'RE DRAWING BACK ARE ASKED BY 50% TO GET GOING AND ESTABLISH WHAT THE ACTUAL IMPACT IS HERE. 
          UM, ON THE RURAL WESTERN ROAD VETO SAYS THAT THE CAPACITY OF THAT ROAD, WHEN IT WAS BUILT IS 1500 VEHICLES A DAY. 
          UM, EVEN BEFORE WE DREW BACK, UH, THESE USES COLLECTIVELY ON THAT SMALL SECTION OF GUNEY MANOR LOOP, WHERE THE, THE, UH, THE V DOT COMMENT SUPPLY, UM, WOULD BE 400 ADDITIONAL AT THE VERY MAX MANY YEARS FROM NOW. 
          AND THAT DOESN'T BRING US UP TO ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THE NUMBER OF VEHICLE TRIPS PER DAY, THAT 
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ARE BEING ADDED BY, UH, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. 
          ALSO AROUND THE CORNER ON GREENY MANOR LOOP WILL STILL BE WELL UNDER THE MAJORITY, I GUESS, PUT IT THIS WAY. 
          THE MAJORITY OF THE TRAFFIC ON THAT RURAL RUSTIC ROAD WILL STILL BE LOCALS AND WILL STILL BE WITH ALL OF THESE USES TOGETHER. 
          WE'LL STILL BE WELL UNDER THE, UM, SPECIFICATION FOR RURAL RUSTIC ROAD. 
          WE DO HAVE ON THAT, I GUESS THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NOT EVERYBODY, I MEAN, I KNOW ON GUINEA MEN LOOP THERE, THEY'RE ACTUALLY THREE SORT OF DISTINCT SECTIONS OF THE ROAD ON GOONIE MANOR LOOP. 
          AS YOU GO UP THERE, THE FIRST SECTION FROM, UH, FETCHIT ROAD UP TO, UH, YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU GET THE FETCHIT ROAD UP TO THE COOL SPRING CHURCH IS A WIDER SECTION OF ROAD. 
          UM, AND THAT'S ACTUALLY A PROBLEM FOR OTHER PERMITS. 
          ONE OF THE REASONS WE'VE ASKED YOU GUYS TO, TO TABLE TWO OF THOSE IS THAT BECAUSE THE SPEED LIMIT THERE IS ON POSTED, IT ACTUALLY GOES UP TO 55 MILES AN HOUR. 
          SO WE'LL GET INTO THOSE PROPOSALS LATER AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, UH, FOR GETTING SPEED STUDIES AND WHATNOT, TO HELP THE COUNTY AND FEED OUT, ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES. 
          UM, AS YOU GO FARTHER UP THE ROAD, MOST OF THE ROAD FRONTAGE PAST THE IN FACT, ALL OF THE ROAD FRONTAGE BETWEEN FULL SPRING CHURCH AND, UH, THIS PROPOSED SITE ON ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD IS OUR PROPERTY. 
          SO EACH OF THE PLACES THAT WE ALREADY HAVE AN ENTRANCE OR A PULL-OUT, UM, WE CAN IMPROVE THOSE VIDOT DOESN'T ALLOW PRIVATE CITIZENS, BUSINESSES, OR FARMERS TO COME AND, UH, MESS WITH THEIR ROADS WITHOUT PERMISSION. 
          UM, BUT WHEN WE HAD A MR. BOYCE FROM BEAT OUT UP THERE SEVERAL TIMES OVER THE COURSE OF TIME TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE COULD DO OUR, A ENTRANCE FOR THIS SORT OF PURPOSE, WITHOUT MESSING WITH THE, UH, THE BIG TREES OR OLD ROCK WALLS THAT ARE ALONG THE ROAD THERE, WE WERE ALSO TALKING TO HIM ABOUT IMPROVING THE PULL-OUTS. 
          SO IF THERE WERE A CONCERN ABOUT, UM, INCREASED TRAFFIC ALONG THAT SECTION OF ROAD, WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF PULL-UPS. 
          THERE, THERE ARE ALREADY A DOZEN PLACES IN THAT LAST HALF MILE OF ROAD THAT IS VERY NARROW, WHERE WE CAN MAKE A PULL OUT OF A BIGGER PULL OUT OF AN EXISTING COLLAB. 
          UM, SO THAT IF THERE WERE A, UH, IF THERE WERE A PROBLEM WITH TRAFFIC THERE, PEOPLE WOULD BE ABLE TO GET OUT OF THE WAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO YOU'VE, UH, YOU'VE DECREASED YOUR, THE, UH, UH, THE REQUEST FROM A HUNDRED TO 50. 
          HAVE YOU DONE ANY TYPE OF, OF, UH, OF FIGURES OR A STUDY TO FIGURE OUT, WELL, WHAT IS YOUR BREAKEVEN POINT? IS IT A THAT YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE, UH, 10 PEOPLE OVER A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME, OR, YOU KNOW, FIVE OR SEVEN OR 15, HAVE YOU DONE THAT? UH, YES, WE HAVE. 
          AND THAT'S A PART OF OUR BUSINESS PLAN THAT I'D BE RELUCTANT TO SPEAK OUT ABOUT, UM, IN THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          UM, BUT WE DO HAVE THOSE NUMBERS AND I, I FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH 50, UH, PHASED IN OVER THE NEXT THREE TO FIVE YEARS. 
          THE THING WITH A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS IS THAT THE BREAK EVEN POINT IS IN THE FAR, FAR DISTANT FUTURE. 
          UM, THE MOST PROFITABLE THING YOU CAN DO WITH FARMLAND IS SUBDIVIDED AND SELL IT FOR HOUSES. 
          AND WE'RE TRYING TO PUT THAT OFF TO THE SIDE AND NOT DO THAT. 
          AND SO EMBRACING SOME OF THESE OTHER PROJECTS, WE'RE ALREADY MOVING A PROFITABILITY OR BREAKEVEN POINT FAR INTO THE FUTURE FOR US. 
          THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT TAKEN TOGETHER AS A CONSTELLATION OF PROJECTS WITH WHAT WE ALREADY DO AT THE FARM CAN HELP US CREATE A STABLE ENVIRONMENT SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY, UH, SUPPORT AND SUSTAIN OUR FARM ON, INTO THE FUTURE. 
          UH, BUT EACH ONE OF THESE IS JUST A SMALLER PART OF A LARGER WHOLE THAT WE'VE ALREADY BEEN WORKING ON FOR A LONG TIME. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          SO THIS, FOR REDUCTION TO 50, IS THAT A PERMANENT NUMBER, OR ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU MAY COME BACK AND ASK TO EXPAND IT? I THINK IT LEAVES OPEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK IN FUTURE YEARS AND ASK FOR AN EXPANSION, BUT THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I'M EXPECTING BY, RIGHT. 
          I EXPECT THAT, UH, IF YOU GUYS DO SAY YES TO THIS REDUCED AMOUNT AND LET US GET GOING AND SEE HOW IT GOES, UH, THAT GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO ALSO GATHER MORE DATA OVER THE COURSE OF TIME SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY COME BACK TO YOU GUYS AND SAY, THIS IS OUR ACTUAL IMPACT. 
          AND BECAUSE VIDOT, DOESN'T HAVE SPECIFIC NUMBERS FOR, UM, CAMPGROUNDS, AS OPPOSED TO EVENT CENTERS, WE'VE COME UP WITH, UH, THESE NUMBERS, OUR CELLS, AND COMPARED TO THEM TO THE V.DATA, BUT IT GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK TO THE COMMUNITY AND TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS THE ACTUAL IMPACT. 
          THIS IS WHAT WE'VE ACTUALLY SEEN. 
          AND IF THE COMMUNITY AND YOU GUYS ARE COMFORTABLE WITH EXPANDING THE FUTURE, UH, WE MAY ASK FOR THAT THAT'S MANY YEARS NOW. 
          UM, AND NOT SOMETHING WE'D EXPECT TO, WE WOULDN'T EXPECT TO GET THOSE EXTRA 50 BY. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          I DO HAVE A QUESTION. 
          YOU, YOU MENTIONED YOUR WATER SYSTEM WAS GOING TO FEED OFF OF THE WATER SYSTEM. 
          YOU'VE PUT IN FOR YOUR CATTLE TO KEEP THEM OUT OF THE STREAMS. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT SYSTEM. 
          UM, WE DID THAT AS WELL ON OUR FARM. 
          UM, HOW OLD IS YOUR F YOUR WATER SYSTEM? UM, THAT WELL WENT IN, IN 2018. 
          I BELIEVE WE COMPLETED THAT PROJECT IN 2018. 
          AND THAT ALSO MEANS THAT THE FIELDS THAT ARE FED BY THAT WATER SYSTEM HAVE TO REMAIN 
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IN THAT LIVESTOCK AGRICULTURAL SYSTEM. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE FIELDS ALONG THE ROAD, IF PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT THE, UH, THE VIEW WOULD BE FROM THE ROAD, THESE CAMPSITES ARE NOT GOING TO BE OUT BY THE ROAD. 
          THEY'RE GOING TO BE BACK INTO OUR PROPERTY. 
          MR. WINDLEY DIDN'T MENTION THAT THIS IS 153 ACRE PARCEL, AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAKE THESE CAMPSITES BACK AWAY FROM THE ROAD IN A WAY THAT DOESN'T INTERFERE EITHER WITH OUR EXISTING AGRICULTURAL PRACTICES OR THE VIEW SHED WHILE PEOPLE ARE COMING ALONG AND GETTING MARYLAND. 
          OKAY. 
          HAVE, HAVE YOU CHECKED, UH, MAYBE WRONG ON THIS, BUT IT'D BE WORTHWHILE DARE AGAIN. 
          I'M ERR, ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION, UM, I'M NOT SURE YOU CAN USE THOSE WATER SYSTEMS FOR 15 YEARS FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE AGRICULTURAL FEED WATER OF YOUR CATTLE THOUGH. 
          I'M NOT SURE YOU CAN PIGGYBACK OFF THAT WE HAVE I'VE CHECKED AND WE CAN PIGGYBACK OFF THAT FOR OTHER, UM, EITHER BY RIGHT OR CONDITIONAL USES IN THE AG DISTRICT, AS LONG AS IT IS A USE THAT IS APPROVED EITHER BY RIGHT AGRICULTURE OR A CONDITIONAL USE BY THE COUNTY. 
          UH, THAT WAS SOMETHING WE ACTUALLY CHECKED OUT WHEN WE FIRST INSTALLED THE WELL, BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE SITES WE'VE BEEN CONSIDERING FOR YEARS FOR DOING A WINERY PRODUCTION FACILITY OR A, UM, A SMALL TASTING ROOM UP THERE. 
          UM, AND IN ORDER TO, BEFORE WE PUT THE WELL IN, BEFORE WE TALKED TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT ABOUT, UM, GETTING THE PERMIT THAT WE HAVE FOR THE SEPTIC SYSTEM THAT HAS YET TO BE INSTALLED, THAT WILL BE INSTALLED IN THE FUTURE. 
          UM, THOSE WERE ALL THINGS THAT WE MADE SURE TO SAY OUT LOUD TO THE ENTITIES INVOLVED AND SAY, HEY, THESE ARE OUR INTENTIONS. 
          WE MAY RUN WATER INTO THE BARN FROM THIS, FROM THIS. 
          WELL, WE MAY RUN WATER TO ANOTHER FACILITY FOR THIS. 
          WELL, AND THEY CONFIRMED AT THAT TIME THAT, UH, IF IT IS A FOR, FOR THOSE, UH, BI-RITE AGRICULTURE USES FOR THE PERMITTED USES, UM, ON THE FARM, WE CAN USE THAT. 
          WELL, CAMPGROUND QUALIFIED FOR THAT. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU IN WRITING ANYWHERE. 
          WELL, I'LL JUST MENTION, UH, MS. COLORS, UH, AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, IF THIS WAS APPROVED, UH, CONDITION NUMBER ONE DOES STATE THAT THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND OTHER AGENCIES, UH, REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS. 
          SO WE'LL FOR THE USE OF THAT. 
          WELL, COULD BE USED FOR THESE, THE CAMPGROUND OR THE RURAL EVENT FACILITY. 
          WE WOULD ABSOLUTELY HAVE THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, UH, NOTIFY THEM AND HAVE THEM GIVE MR. WRIGHT ANYTHING THAT HE'S NEAT REQUIRES FOUR PERMITS OR DIRECT HIM HAS TO GETTING THAT THAT WILL JUST SAY APPROVED FOR USE BY FOR OF HUMAN CONSUMPTION RIGHT NOW, I BELIEVE IT'S PRIMARILY FOR THE AGRICULTURAL WELL, AND IT WAS AT THE TIME THE WELL WAS PUT IN, IT WAS PUT IN, UM, IN A QUALITY AND DEPTH THAT WOULD PRODUCE WATER FOR A VARIETY OF PROJECTS. 
          I'M HAPPY TO GET THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT APPROVAL, BUT ALSO SAY THAT THE, UH, SOIL AND WATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT IS SUPER EASY TO WORK WITH. 
          AND, UH, IF YOU GUYS WANT TO PUT IT IN THERE AS A REQUIREMENT, I'D BE HAPPY TO REACH OUT TO THEM AND GET THEIR COMMENTS ON IT. 
          UM, WORST CASE SCENARIO THAT MIGHT MEAN WE'D HAVE TO PUT IN ANOTHER WELL, IF THEY COME BACK AND SAY THAT THEIR RULES HAVE CHANGED AND SAID NO, BUT, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, WE CAN GET FROM THEM TO SAY YES, CONFIRMATION. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK THAT WOULD MAKE ME FEEL BETTER TO KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, SINCE I UNDERSTAND THEY PAY 75% OR WHATEVER THE RATIO IS. 
          SO, UM, I, I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THAT'S ALSO SOMETHING WE DON'T WANT TO MESS WITH. 
          THAT'S A, THAT WAS A SPECIAL TIME TO DO THAT PROGRAM. 
          AND THEY'VE BEEN VERY HELPFUL WITH, UH, WITH THESE ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE, UH, THE, THE FIRST TIME WE WORKED WITH THE SOIL AND WATER CONSERVATION SERVICE WAS ACTUALLY BACK IN THE FIFTIES. 
          UM, AND WE STILL HAVE PEOPLE COME OUT TO SEE THE WATERS, THE SPRING-FED WATERS THAT MY GRANDFATHER INSTALLED BACK THEN AS A, AS A, AS AN EXAMPLE OF, UH, CONSERVATION PRACTICES THROUGH THE YEARS. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ONE MORE? YES, SIR. 
          UM, IS THERE GOING TO BE ANY SORT OF CONCESSION TYPE STAND AT, AT THE FACILITY OR AT THE, UM, PLACE WHERE THE INDIVIDUAL THAT'S GOING TO BE HELPING TO RUN THE SHOW? UH, UH, YES, OUR INTENTION IS TO HAVE A SMALL STORE AT THE CHECK-IN STATION SO THAT PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO RUN BACK DOWN THE ROAD TO GET, UH, BASIC SUPPLIES LIKE TOILETRIES. 
          UM, IT'S ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY SINCE WE HAVE A LOT OF FARM PRODUCTS, INCLUDING A VARIETY OF, UH, MEATS THAT WE COULD SELL TO PEOPLE SO THAT THEY COULD, UH, GRILL OUT. 
          UH, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE OUR LITTLE FARM STORE THERE WITH AMENITIES AND PRODUCTS FOR PEOPLE TO ENJOY. 
          YEAH, BUT THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. 
          I THINK IT WAS INCLUDED IN THE, I DON'T THINK SO. 
          I, I, I DON'T REMEMBER ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, UH, I BELIEVE HE DID MENTION IT JUST SAYS THAT. 
          AND SO FOR THAT AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE A PART OF A SITE PLAN B. 
          I HAVE TO BE APPROVED, UH, THROUGH COUNTY THROUGH THE 
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COUNTY, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT AS PART OF A SITE PLAN FOR, BUT I'M NOT SURE ABOUT EVERYBODY ELSE. 
          I THOUGHT THIS WAS JUST ONE 50, ORIGINALLY A HUNDRED CAMPSITES OR 50. 
          I DIDN'T REALIZE WE WERE GETTING IN. 
          AND I KNOW A BATH HOUSE GOES WITH THAT, BUT CONCESSION STANDS SEEMS TO, I WOULD THINK THAT THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN SPELLED OUT INSTEAD OF LEFT KIND OF A AND I, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, THE LAST PARAGRAPH OF THE APPLICATION DOES SPECIFY IT. 
          UM, A FARM STAND OF THAT SOURCE SORT, I BELIEVE IS ALSO A, UH, RIGHT USE IN THE AG DISTRICT TO HAVE A, UM, FARM STAND THAT DOESN'T INTERFERE WITH THINGS THAT MAY BE ABLE TO FEEL OUT THAT BETTER. 
          BUT I BELIEVE IT WASN'T, THAT WOULD BE A FARM STAND IS NOT A WALK-IN FACILITY FARMSTAND. 
          AND THAT MIGHT BE THE DIFFERENCE IF THIS WAS AN ENCLOSED FACILITY CLOSE THE FACILITY, THAT WOULD BE A SEPARATE USE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE MAY HAVE TO COME BACK FOR THAT PARTICULAR USE, UM, AND INCORPORATED OBVIOUSLY SHOWING IT, SHOWING IT WITH IT WITHIN THE SITE PLAN OF, UH, UH, COMMERCIAL CAMPGROUND ITSELF. 
          OKAY. 
          AND ALL OF THOSE FACILITIES DO AS MATT POINTED OUT, UH, HAVE TO MEET, UM, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT STANDARDS, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT STANDARDS, UM, AND A WIDE VARIETY OF OTHER ENTITIES WHO CAN WEIGH IN OVERTIME FOR ENVIRONMENTAL CONTROL. 
          WELL, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I JUST DON'T, I DON'T WANT THE MISINTERPRETATION OF WE'RE VOTING TONIGHT ON WHAT WE PERCEIVE IS A CAMPGROUND OF 50 SITES. 
          AND NOW YOU'RE THROWING OUT MUCH MORE. 
          THAT IS NOT CLEARLY IDENTIFIED IN THIS. 
          SO I JUST, FOR MY SAKE AT LEAST, AND, UM, NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE HERE. 
          YES. 
          SO NOT MY INTENTION TO THROW AT ANYTHING. 
          I'M JUST SAYING IT, IT SEEMS LIKE THE MORE YOU TALK HERE, THE BIGGEST THIS PLAN IS GETTING, SO, UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME FOR MR. WRIGHT? OKAY, MRS. SHAHRAKI I WILL, UM, ASK YOU WHAT YOU PREFER TO READ OFF THE LIST, OR WOULD YOU RATHER, I START WITH, UH, PEOPLE WHO HAVE SIGNED UP. 
          SO IF I COULD READ OFF THE LIST FIRST, I THINK THAT WOULD HELP WITH THE INDIVIDUALS WHO MAY OR MAY NOT BE HERE TO SPEAK SO THAT THEY KIND OF HAVE A VOICE AND, AND THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE TO SPEAK CAN THEN SPEAK AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IF SHE CALLS YOUR NAME, IF YOU WOULD JUST RAISE YOUR HAND SO THAT WE CAN SEE THAT YOU ARE HERE, IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU WON'T GET TO SPEAK, BUT THAT MIGHT HELP OUT A LITTLE BIT TOO. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          SO I'M GOING TO READ THE LIST OF INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE SUBMITTED COMMENTS OR EMAILS FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATIONS. 
          AND THESE ARE FOR ALL FOUR OF THEM. 
          THEY'VE KIND OF ALL LUMPED INTO ONE. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          UM, MARIA DARI OR DAIRY. 
          I APOLOGIZE IF I MISPRONOUNCE YOUR NAME. 
          MICHAEL WILLIAMS. DOCTORS' ASSIGNMENT AND LINDA RUSSON. 
          AMBER WILLS, DEENA MARTINSON DAVIS, REBECCA DUNCAN, ERICA WILLIAMS, CHASE BROWN, JENNIFER CARTER, CRYSTAL LANG CRYSTAL COOK. 
          CARRIE BARNHARDT, MEGAN JACKSON, LEROY AND ANN SCHAEFER, CHARLIE AND MARIA MANWELL, DENNIS AND CAROL GORDON. 
          WAYNE KITE. 
          DIANA. 
          RIGHT, HOLLY. 
          GOOD. 
          DEBRA SUCCE AND ELIZABETH. 
          RIGHT? AND THESE ARE NOW I'M GOING TO READ THE INDIVIDUALS WHO SUBMITTED COMMENTS OR EMAILS AGAINST THE PROPOSED CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS. 
          STEPHANIE PEARSON, ANN BROWN, BOYD, EARL ELLEN IRVINE, ALAN THOMPSON, STEVE AND LISA MAYORS, EDINA SHORT AND BEN SHORT, LISA POTTS, MARY MCLAUGHLIN, DAN AND CHRISTINE GALL, HUGH AND LAUREN FORESTER, DAVID AND CONSTANCE MAXWELL, CHERYL AND JIM BAKER, KELLY AND TIM SENATE, GRETCHEN PROVENZANO, STACY MICHAELS, ALAN BROCKWAY, AND LINDA ARNOLD, JEFF AND PAM PARSONS, JAKE HOROWITZ, TINA AND CHRIS POLISH AND SHOWMAN TERRY AND SALLY BARRY, STEPHEN CALLWELL, MARTHA BARKER, KEN FURLONG, IAN FISHER, 
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JOHN LEIA, HAYNES, DALE THOMPSON, DEBRA FOSTER, JIM AND DEBBIE SYLVESTER, PAUL AND MARY BALSA RACK. 
          ROB HARDING, GEORGE AND DIANA HODGKISS, ANNA AND ADAM SOBOTKA, ERIC AND BONNIE MCCLAFFERTY THE WARREN COUNTY CHAPTER OF THE ISAAC WALTON LEAGUE, MINDY BARNHART, JAMES AND ANGELA KELLER, RON AND NELL MILLER RALPH WEST, JR. 
          ARTHUR WOODS, MARK HUDDLESTON AND ALFRED POLISH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND WHO IS FIRST SIGNED UP? THE FIRST SPEAKER FOR THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS AMBER POE MORRIS. 
          GOOD EVENING BOARD AMBER PAUL MORRIS, AND I AM BORN AND RAISED A NATIVE OF BROWN TOWN. 
          I'M PROBABLY THE MOST EXCITED AND HAPPY PERSON TO BE HERE TONIGHT. 
          I LOVE THAT BROWN TOWN IS BEING RECOGNIZED FOR ITS BEAUTY AND THAT WE'RE OFFERING TO SHARE THAT WITH OTHERS WITHOUT RESIDENTIALLY DEVELOPING IT. 
          UM, ON GOONIE MANOR LOOP, I LEARNED HOW TO DRIVE A STICK SHIFT. 
          I SHOT MY FIRST BUCK AND I GREW UP THERE. 
          UM, AND THIS IS A BUSINESS DECISION, NOT AN EMOTIONAL DECISION. 
          HOWEVER, WE DO NEED TO BE EMPATHETIC AND TAKE ALL ASPECTS INTO CONSIDERATION. 
          BEING ON TOWN COUNCIL. 
          DOESN'T PREVENT ME FROM COMING HERE AND SPEAKING TO YOU GUYS AND EXPRESSING MY INPUT FOR THE DIRECTION OF OUR COUNTY. 
          I AM A CONSERVATIVE AND AS MANY OF YOU ARE, I KNOW AS A CONSERVATIVE, IT'S NOT THE GOVERNMENT'S JOB TO DICTATE WHAT CAN AND CAN'T BE DONE WITH PERSONAL PROPERTY SO LONG AS IT ISN'T A PUBLIC SAFETY OR HEALTH ISSUE. 
          AND THIS IS NOT THAT OF THE UNPOPULAR OPINION OF A FAMILY WHO WAS DISPLACED FROM THE SKYLINE DRIVE MANY, MANY GENERATIONS AGO. 
          I'M THANKFUL THAT THEY PRESERVE THAT LAND BECAUSE I KNOW TODAY WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE SKYLINE DROP. 
          WE KNOW IT. 
          IF IT WEREN'T PRESERVED AND USED FOR SOMETHING ELSE LIKE OVERNIGHT STAYS AGRICULTURE AND TOURISM ARE THE NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO REVENUES AND THE STATE OF VIRGINIA. 
          AND THIS IS NOT COMMERCIAL USE IT'S AGRITOURISM. 
          I'LL BE THE FIRST TO ADMIT WHEN I SAW THE SIGNS IN BROWNTOWN, AS I'M A CHURCH GOER IN BROWNTOWN, BROWNTOWN BAPTIST CHURCH, I SAW A COMMERCIAL ON ALL OF THOSE SIGNS AND I THOUGHT NOT MY BROWN TOWN. 
          WE DON'T WANT THAT HERE. 
          YOU'RE NOT WELCOME HERE. 
          AND I WAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE CHASING EDWIN WITH PITCHFORKS. 
          HOWEVER, I BECAME EDUCATED, UH, TOWARD THE FARM I'VE RESEARCHED. 
          I LEARNED, AND I LOVE THE FACT THAT WE COULD HAVE PEOPLE COME AND HAVE A PLACE TO STAY. 
          IT'S NOT GOING TO BE YEAR ROUND. 
          IT'S SEASONAL RIGHT NOW, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY COMING AND THERE'S A HUGE INFLUX OF TRAFFIC AND BROWNTOWN IN BENTONVILLE FOR THE LEAF PAPERS. 
          THEY'RE NOT STAYING OR SPENDING ANY MONEY HERE. 
          THEY'RE COMING, THEY'RE WAITING, THEY'RE GETTING ON SKYLINE DRIVE AND THEY'RE LEAVING. 
          SO TO OFFER THEM SOMEWHERE TO STAY FOR A NIGHT OR TWO, AND THEN GO HOME. 
          I LOVE THE IDEA OF THAT. 
          WE'RE NOT JUST A BEDROOM COMMUNITY. 
          WE WANT PEOPLE TO VISIT, PLAY, STAY, AND THEN GO HOME. 
          UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT MAINLINE HAS ALREADY BEEN HOSTING EVENTS AND EITHER IT DIDN'T AFFECT MANY OF THESE PEOPLE OPPOSED, OR THEY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW 1500 CARS A DAY MEANS THAT THEY COULD SUBDIVIDE SELL AND RESIDENTIALLY DEVELOP THIS WITH A LOT OF HOMES. 
          AND I'D RATHER A CAMPGROUND. 
          AND THE MEMORIES MADE THERE. 
          THE RESIDENTIAL HOMES BE ADDED TO GOONIE MANOR, LOOP, FIRE, AND EMS IS A HUGE ARGUMENT THAT I KEEP HEARING. 
          AND I'LL TELL YOU GUYS, MY DAD CUT HIS FINGER OFF IN BROWNTOWN. 
          WHEN I WAS IN 10TH GRADE, I CALLED 9 1 1 FROM BROWNTOWN AND THEY SAID, HONEY, YOU NEED TO GET HIS FINGER AND DRIVE HIM TO THE HOSPITAL. 
          I SAID, I DON'T HAVE A LICENSE. 
          AND THEY SAID, YOU NEED TO DRIVE YOUR DAD HERE. 
          IF WE'RE GOING TO SAVE HIS FINGER, PUT IT IN A CUP OF MILK THROUGH MY DAD'S FINGER AND A CUP OF MILK AND DROVE HIM TO WAR MEMORIAL HOSPITAL, WHERE THEY TRIED THEIR BEST TO SAVE IT, BUT THEY COULDN'T SAVE IT. 
          GOD BLESS HIS FINGER. 
          SO LET ME JUST TELL YOU ALL THAT. 
          LET'S CORRECT. 
          THESE ISSUES. 
          LET'S NOT USE THEM AS AN EXCUSE TO DENY THIS. 
          LET'S USE THEM AS AN, AS A REASON, MY GRANDFATHER DIED OF A HEART ATTACK LAST FALL. 
          HE'S ALSO FROM BROWN TOWN. 
          WE OWN PROPERTY IN BROWNTOWN. 
          LET'S JUST, AND THEN THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS ROADWAYS. 
          AND I'LL WRAP THIS UP AMOUNT OF TIME. 
          AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT TO SPEAK. 
          HOW'S BILL IS A RURAL RUSTIC ROADWAY IN WARREN COUNTY. 
          AND SINCE THEY REDID THAT I OWN PROPERTY OUT IN SHADOW FARMS, THE LINES HAVEN'T BEEN REPAINTED, IT'S A DEATH TRAP AND PEOPLE DIE ON HOUSEBOAT ALL THE TIME. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY MEN OR LUPE IS IN GREAT CONDITION RIGHT NOW, AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A 300% TRAFFIC INCREASE WHEN YOU GO FROM 20 PEOPLE A DAY TO 40 PEOPLE A DAY. 
          I MEAN, IT IS THE MATH, BUT THANK YOU GUYS FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK AND GOD BLESS. 
          THANK YOU, SHANNON FULLER. 
          HI, IT'S A MEMBER OF OUR COMMUNITY FOR THE PAST DECADES. 
          NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE. 
          OR AS YOU WROTE YOUR ADDRESS JUST TO NAME, YUP. 
          SHANNON FELLER. 
          I LIVE AT 2 25 CLOUD STREET AS A MEMBER OF OUR COMMUNITY 
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FOR THE PAST DECADE, AS WELL AS AN AVID OUTDOORS WOMAN. 
          I PERSONALLY CANNOT THINK OF A BETTER VENTURE FOR BROWNTOWN THAN A CAMPGROUND. 
          WE ARE A SMALL MOUNTAIN TOWN THAT EMBRACES OUR CANOE CAPITAL STATUS AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY IN TOURISM AND MARKETING. 
          WHY? BECAUSE IT'S WHAT WE DO BEST. 
          WE HAVE THE OLDEST MOUNTAINS IN THE WORLD THAT CRADLE THIS BEAUTIFUL VALLEY. 
          WE HAVE THE MAJESTIC SHANANDOAH. 
          WE HAVE THE APPALACHIAN TRAIL THAT LITERALLY RUNS RIGHT THROUGH OUR TOWN. 
          THE MAJORITY OF APPALACHIAN TRAIL TOWNS EMBRACE THAT THEY PROFIT OFF OF IT. 
          WE FAILED TO DO SO AT A LOT OF TURNS. 
          THERE IS NO DENYING THAT OUR HOME IS AN OUTDOOR ADVENTURE HUB. 
          THAT IS IN FACT, WHAT BROUGHT MY FAMILY HERE IN 2012, THE CAMPGROUND AND TRAILS THAT MR. WRIGHT IS PROPOSING ARE NOT ONLY A BRILLIANT USE OF LAND WITH MINIMAL IMPACT, BUT IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, IT'S A FAR CRY FROM THE ALTERNATIVE. 
          WE HAVE WATCHED MANY FARMS AND FAMILY HOMESTEADS BE BROKEN UP AND SOLD FOR BUILDING PURPOSES. 
          DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH ARE COMING TO THIS AREA, WHETHER WE WANT THAT OR NOT RATHER THAN STOP IT, WE SHOULD EMBRACE IT, INFLUENCE IT AND WORK TOWARDS A COMMUNITY THAT EMBRACES THIS BEAUTIFUL PLACE AND DOES NOT OVERDEVELOP IT. 
          I PERSONALLY LIVE NEXT DOOR TO A HOME THAT IS OWNED BY AN OUT OF TOWN ABSENTEE LANDLORD THAT HAS NO VESTED INTEREST IN OUR COMMUNITY NOR HAS TENANTS. 
          AND IT SHOWS IN HIS LACK OF CARE OF HIS HOME, THAT LANDLORD OWNS MORE THAN 10 PROPERTIES IN THIS AREA. 
          THAT'S A REOCCURRING PROBLEM IN OUR COUNTY. 
          I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT I DON'T WANT MORE OF THAT. 
          I WANT FOLKS THAT ARE FROM OUR COMMUNITY, MAKING OUR COMMUNITY MORE BEAUTIFUL, MORE PROSPEROUS AND ENJOYABLE FOR THOSE THAT LIVE HERE, AS WELL AS VISITORS AS THEY ARE AN INTRICATE PART OF OUR ECONOMY, EXCUSE ME, WE AREN'T TALKING ABOUT LARGE RVS TRAVELING ON THE BACK ROADS OR LARGE CROWDS OR OVERWHELMING OUR COMMUNITY WITH THIS FACILITY. 
          WE TALKING ABOUT WELCOMING THOSE THAT COME TO THIS ETHEREAL PLACE TO VISIT. 
          THIS WOULD GIVE THEM A PLACE TO CAMP. 
          AS THEY ENJOY HIKING TRAILS. 
          OUR VINEYARDS, OUR RESTAURANTS ARE THE STATE PARK, THE NATIONAL PARK AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WARREN COUNTY HAS TO OFFER. 
          THOSE VISITORS WOULD LIKELY SUPPORT THIS ACCOUNT, THIS COMMUNITY ECONOMICALLY, WHILE VISITING AND ON THEIR WAY IN AND OUT OF BROWN TOWN REVENUE EQUALS TAX DOLLARS, WHICH I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT WE NEED. 
          I KNOW THAT BROWNTOWN IS A VERY SMALL AND TIGHT KNIT COMMUNITY AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT MAKES IT SO SPECIAL, BUT EDWIN LOVES THAT AREA MORE THAN MOST PEOPLE I KNOW. 
          AND THE LAST THING THAT I COULD IMAGINE HIM DOING IS COMPROMISING IT IN ANY FASHION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, GARY CUSHNER. 
           I'M GARY CUSHNER FETCHIT ROAD IN BROWNTOWN. 
          THE NEGATIVE ASPECTS OF THIS PROPOSAL ARE TOO NUMEROUS TO ADEQUATELY ADDRESS IN THREE MINUTES. 
          BUT MY BROAD AREAS OF CONCERN INCLUDE THE DANGERS TO PEOPLE IN PROPERTY WITH OUT OF TOWNERS NEGOTIATING SHOULDER LISTS, CURVY RURAL ROADS, WHICH ARE CHALLENGING EVEN TO OUR EXPERIENCED LOCAL RESIDENTS, THE CHALLENGES TO PUBLIC SAFETY RESOURCES TO ADDRESS MEDICAL ISSUES, ACCIDENTS, AND ENVIRONMENTAL PROBLEMS THAT COMMERCIAL CAMPGROUNDS AND EVENT CENTERS WOULD PRODUCE THE ASSOCIATED WATER AIR LIGHT SOUND AND WILDLIFE IMPACTS THAT WOULD RESOLVE IN THE FIRE DANGER TO THE BROWN TOWN COMMUNITY AND THE IRREPLACEABLE NATIONAL PARK. 
          THESE CONCERNS WOULD ALL BECOME POUNDED BY ALCOHOL AND DRUG USE BY CAMPERS WITH A RULES AND LAWS PROHIBITED IT OR NOT GOOD INTENTIONS ARE LAUDABLE. 
          BUT THE ONLY THING THAT REALLY MATTERS IS RESULTS. 
          HOWEVER, I CONSIDER THE SAVE OUR FARM GOAL, SOMEWHAT DUBIOUS, CONSIDERING THAT THE ADJACENT WELLSPRING PROPERTY HAS ONLY BEEN RECENTLY PURCHASED. 
          I'VE ALWAYS BEEN A SUPPORTER OF PROPERTY RIGHTS, BUT NOT AT THE EXPENSE OF THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY USING THEIR PROPERTY FOR RIGHT SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, WHILE NOT DESIRABLE WOULD BE PREFERABLE TO THEIR PLAN BECAUSE ANY NEW NEIGHBORS WOULD ASSUREDLY APPRECIATE AND WANT TO PROTECT THE BEAUTY SOLITUDE AND SPECIAL NATURE OF BROWNTOWN. 
          AS PRESENT RESIDENTS DO PERMITTING THIS BUCOLIC AREA TO BE FOREVER TO SPOILED BY COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES WOULD BE A BLACK EYE ON WARREN COUNTY THAT WOULD NEVER HEAL. 
          IT WOULD CREATE A NEGATIVE QUALITY OF LIFE IMPACT INCONSISTENT WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          ANY GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL WHO SUPPORTS THESE PROPOSALS WOULD BEAR SOME RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE HUMAN AND ENVIRONMENTAL CONSEQUENCES THAT WILL ASSUREDLY OCCUR. 
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IF THIS APPLICATION IS APPROVED ALSO, MR. WRIGHT'S RECENT REQUEST TO TABLE OF HIS APPLICATIONS SHOULD NOT BE APPROVED BECAUSE V DOT HAS ALREADY SUPPLIED THEIR EXPERT FINDINGS AND THIS BOARD AND THE PUBLIC SHOULD NOT BE KEPT IN A BAND'S AND PUTTING THIS MATTER TO REST THE EXISTING VALID JUSTIFICATION TO DENY THIS CUP WOULD NOT BE SUBSTANTIALLY AFFECTED BY ANY FURTHER STUDIES. 
          THAT EFFORT IS REALLY JUST A DELAY TACTIC AND SHOULD NOT BE PERMITTED, APPROVING EVEN A SCALED BACK OR FAILED OR PHASED APPROACH. 
          A PROPOSAL WOULD BE ALLOWING THE CAMEL'S NOSE UNDER THE TENT AND POSSIBLY SETTING A PRECEDENT THAT COULD HAVE DISASTROUS IMPACTS IN THE FUTURE. 
          I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THIS BOARD GIVE THIS THE APPLICATION, THE DENIAL THAT IT DESERVES TONIGHT. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          FOLKS, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO HOLD YOU TO THAT. 
          UM, THE, WHAT I READ IN THE CONDUCT, PLEASE, I UNDERSTAND YOUR PASSION HERE, BUT LET'S, LET'S KEEP IT IN CHECK, MRS. SHAHRAKI. 
          WHO ELSE HAS SIGNED UP PLEASE? ELIZABETH GRAHAM. 
          GOOD EVENING BOARD. 
          MY NAME IS ELIZABETH GRAHAM. 
          I BELIEVE YOU HAVE MY ADDRESS. 
          I AM ACTUALLY NOT A WARREN COUNTY CITIZEN. 
          I LIVE IN CLARK COUNTY. 
          I AM HOWEVER, THE CLARK COUNTY AMBASSADOR TO THE APPALACHIAN TRAIL, UM, THROUGH THE ATC, WHICH IS THE APPALACHIAN TRAIL COMMUNITY. 
          UM, I'M ACTUALLY HERE IN SUPPORT FOR MR. WRIGHT'S CAMPGROUND. 
          THE MAIN REASON IS I DID DO SOME INTERACTIVE MAPPING OF THIS CAMPGROUND AND THE ADJACENCY TO THE T FROM THE DRIVEWAY TO THE CAMPGROUND TO THE FIRST PARKING LOT. 
          AND TO THE APPALACHIAN TRAIL IS 1.96 MILES. 
          IN THAT AREA. 
          THERE ARE NOT ANY 80 SHELTERS THAT ARE AS SUBSTANTIAL AS WHAT HIS CAMPGROUND COULD PROVIDE, LET ALONE THE PROVISIONS, HIS FARM STORE TO PROVIDE. 
          UM, I FEEL THAT THOSE WOULD BE DEFINITELY BENEFICIAL TO THE AREA. 
          UM, GIVING CAMPERS LIKE ME, HIKERS LIKE ME, MOUNTAIN BIKERS, UM, A PLACE TO GO RELAX, SPEND A COUPLE EVENINGS AND ENJOY WHAT FRONT ROYAL HAS TO OFFER THAT'S. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS BRIAN. 
          CONLEY. 
          HI, MY NAME IS BRIAN CONWAY. 
          I BELIEVE AT THREE 70 WESLEY LANE IN BENTONVILLE AND FIVE I'M ONE PROPERTY LINE AWAY FROM THE BACK OF THE PROPOSED EVENT CENTER. 
          UM, MR. WRIGHT HAS SAID HIS MOTION IS TO SAVE HIS FAMILY'S FARM. 
          THE STATEMENT IS DISINGENUOUS AT BEST, GIVEN THAT HE WAS GIVEN THE NEARLY $2 MILLION THAT THE RIGHT FAMILY AND HAS SPENT ON REAL ESTATE ACQUISITION IN WARREN COUNTY IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, THIS INCLUDES THE $650,000 RECENTLY SPENT ON THE SIMON PATRON SIMON PETRI PROPERTY, UH, NEARLY $450,000 PURCHASE, UH, IN CONJUNCTION WITH MR. PHILLIP THOUGHT FOR, UH, EIGHT RENTAL UNITS AT THE CORNER OF SOUTH LAKE AVENUE AND JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY, THE RECENT $150,000 SPENT IN THE CASH TRANSACTION TO ACQUIRE THE BAGHERLI HOUSE IN BENTONVILLE AND THE PURCHASE OF THE 101 ACRES ON WELLSPRING. 
          EXCUSE ME, FOLKS. 
          I APPRECIATE YOUR PASSION, BUT YOU NEED TO KEEP IT IN CHECK. 
          I REALLY DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANYBODY REMOVE TONIGHT. 
          YOU HAVE THE A HUNDRED, ONE ACRES ON WELLSPRING ROAD WAS JUST PURCHASED RECENTLY IF THE COST OF $505,000, YOU KNOW, THIS TYPE OF, UH, OF EXPENDITURE DOES NOT TELL ME SOMEBODY WHO IS IN FINANCIAL STRAITS AND WHO'S IS ABOUT TO LOSE THEIR FARM. 
          THE EVENT CENTER IS AN INAPPROPRIATE USE FOR THIS, UH, FOR THIS TYPE OF AREA. 
          I KNOW IT'S ALLOWED IN AN AGRICULTURAL AREA OR WAS RECENTLY ALLOWED THROUGH THE, UH, ALTERATIONS IN THE COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLANS, BUT THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE, WHO HAVE PURCHASED PROPERTIES OUT IN BENTONVILLE AND BROWNTOWN RECENTLY PURCHASED IT WITH THE KNOWLEDGE THAT THEY WERE BUYING LAND IN FARMS AND THEY EXPECT FARMING USES TRADITIONAL FARMING USES DO NOT INCLUDE CONCERTS IN THEIR BACKYARDS, AND I'M NOT A LIFELONG RESIDENT OF WARREN COUNTY. 
          LIKE SOME FOLKS HERE I RESEARCHED WHERE I WANTED TO LIVE. 
          I HAVE INVESTED 
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MY FAMILIES AND MY FAMILY'S WEALTH AND RESOURCES IN A HOME IN BROWNTOWN. 
          AND TO SEE IT, TO SEE IT TO SPOILED BY A CONCERT VENUE IS REALLY, REALLY DISAPPOINTING, EVEN JUST THAT IT'S BEING CONSIDERED. 
          UH, AS LIKE, AS I SAID, JUST A MOMENT AGO, MR. WRIGHT HAS SAID THAT HIS INTENTION IS TO SAVE THE FAMILY FARM. 
          I DISAGREE WITH THAT. 
          I THINK THAT THE EVIDENCE REALLY POINTS TO THE FACT THAT IT IS AN ATTEMPT TO CONTINUE BUILDING HIS BUSINESS EMPIRE. 
          AND THAT IS NOT THAT THE WARRANT TO BROWN TOWNS BENEFIT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THIS IS ROCKY MARGIE CONLEY. 
          MARGIE CONLEY THREE 70 WESLEY LANE. 
          UM, I JUST HAD A COUPLE OF THINGS WHEN MR. WRIGHT FIRST ADDRESSED THE COMMUNITY BOARD. 
          UM, BACK IN NOVEMBER, I HAD NEVER HEARD WHAT I'D BEEN RIGHT, OR ANY OF HIS VENTURES OR HIS FARM OR ANYTHING BEFORE THAT TIME. 
          BUT THIS, WHAT HE GAVE US THEN IS HIS EXPLANATION FOR WANTING TO DO THESE FOUR PROJECTS. 
          AND WHAT I'M HEARING TONIGHT ARE VERY DIFFERENT. 
          AND I THINK WHAT'S HAPPENING. 
          EVEN WHAT WE HEARD AT THE ZONING BOARD MEETING SEEMS TO BE VERY DIFFERENT. 
          AND I FEEL THAT MR. WRIGHT IS, KEEPS CHANGING UP A LITTLE BIT AT A TIME AS HE HEARS MORE OPPOSITION, HOW CAN I TWEAK IT TO MAKE IT SOUND BETTER? HOW CAN I PULL IT BACK? WHAT IS THE VERY MINIMUM THAT I NEED TO GET PAST THIS BOARD? SO I CAN GET MY CERTIFICATIONS IN PLACE. 
          HE TALKS A LOT ABOUT DOWN THE ROAD, YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. 
          THIS ISN'T EVEN GOING TO BE A VIABLE BUSINESS THAT BREAKS THAT BREAKS EVEN THAT'S GOING TO HELP HIM SAVE HIS FAMILY FARM FOR YEARS, 50 CAMPGROUNDS, PRIMITIVE CAMPGROUNDS IS NOT A VIABLE BUSINESS PRACTICE. 
          I WOULD LOVE TO OWN A CAMPGROUND. 
          I'VE DONE RESEARCH ON IT FOR RETIREMENT. 
          AND IF YOU'RE BUILDING FROM THE GROUND, THE GROUND UP THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE PAD SITES, JUST THAT THE ELECTRIC, THE MINIMAL ELECTRIC THAT HE'S GOING TO NEED, IT'S NOT VIABLE. 
          HE'S GOING TO BE BACK IN FRONT OF HIS BOARD IN TWO YEARS SAYING I CAN'T DO THIS. 
          I HAVE TO HAVE RVS. 
          I HAVE TO HAVE THE BIG ONES. 
          I GOT TO HAVE THE NICE ONES. 
          I HAVE TO HAVE MORE ROOM FOR PEOPLE TO COME AND STAY. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          I REALLY FEEL LIKE THIS IS A TURNED INTO JUST APPROVE IT. 
          AND THEN YOU GUYS CAN READ IT ALL LATER AND SEE WHAT IT'S REALLY ABOUT. 
          THAT'S WHAT I FEEL LIKE WE'RE BEING DEALT HERE. 
          AND THE INSINUATION IS THAT WE'RE DUMB. 
          WE HAVEN'T DONE OUR HOMEWORK. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO CONTROL WHAT SOMEONE ELSE DOES ON THEIR PROPERTY. 
          I'M ALL ABOUT PROPERTY RIGHTS, BUT I WANT TO BE ABLE TO SIT DOWN ON MY FRONT PORCH AND LISTEN TO THE CRICKETS IN THE SUMMER. 
          I DON'T WANT TO GO TO A CONCERT AND I'M ONE PROPERTY AWAY. 
          SO SATURDAY NIGHTS, I'M GOING TO BE GOING TO A CONCERT WHETHER I WANT TO OR NOT. 
          AND IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT THE CUTOFF IS AT 10 O'CLOCK. 
          WHAT AM I GOING TO TELL AT 10? O'CLOCK WAIT AND HOPE THAT EVERYBODY PACKS UP AND DRIVES DOWN THE ROAD AND NOBODY HITS MY KID. 
          WHO'S COMING IN FROM WORK DRUNK. 
          THERE'S JUST, THERE'S JUST SO MANY QUESTION MARKS EVEN FOR THIS CAMPGROUND, JUST SO MANY QUESTION MARKS THAT ARE NOT BEING ANSWERED. 
          AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE ALL OF THESE THINGS ANSWERED BEFORE THEY GIVE THE GO AHEAD, BECAUSE ONCE THAT APPROVAL IS GIVEN, IT'S GOT A LOT HARDER TO RESEND IT LATER. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NEXT STACY MICHAELS. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          STACY MICHAEL'S 5, 9, 8, 6 GOONIE MAN, OR LOOP. 
          UM, I WANTED YOU TO JUST KIND OF EXPRESS OUR OPINIONS BECAUSE WE HAVE A VERY BIG EXISTING PROBLEM WITHIN, AND THAT IS THE ROADS THAT INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          WE HAVE RUSTIC ROADS THAT ARE SENSITIVE ACCORDING TO V DOT. 
          UM, AND I ALSO WANT TO EXPRESS THAT THE BCCA MEETING THAT WE HAD IN DECEMBER, THE SHERIFF WAS THERE. 
          SHERIFF BUTLER WAS THERE. 
          AND I CONFIRMED WITH HIM TONIGHT THAT HE DID SAY THIS. 
          AND, UM, WE'VE GOT IT RECORDED FOR THE MINUTES, BUT I WROTE IT DOWN AND I QUOTED HIM. 
          HE STATED BROWNTOWN ROAD AS A DANGEROUS ROAD. 
          I HATE DRIVING ON THIS ROAD. 
          I'M NOT GONNA LIE. 
          I HATE IT. 
          PEOPLE PUSHING, COMING IN AND GOING. 
          SO THESE ARE ALL EXISTING PROBLEMS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE. 
          WE HAVE A SPEED ISSUE. 
          THE SHERIFF OFFICES CAME OUT FOR ABOUT 40 MINUTES AND PULLED OVER SIX OUT OF THE SEVEN CARS THAT PASSED. 
          NOT THAT I WAS A NOSY NEIGHBOR WATCHING THE WHOLE TIME, BUT MANY OF US WERE. 
          UM, AND SO DOING RADAR, WE'VE JUST GOT, WE'VE GOT SO MANY EXISTING SAFETY ISSUES. 
          THEY'RE VERY NARROW PARTS OF THE ROAD THAT ARE ALREADY A PROBLEM. 
          AND IT IS MY VIEW. 
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I AM A SAFETY GIRL WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE FOR FIRE AND RESCUE. 
          YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY THAT THERE'S A CALL UP AT THE CAMPGROUND. 
          WELL, GUESS WHAT? THAT TAKES OUR WHOLE UNIT AWAY FROM THE REST OF THE COUNTY. 
          SO THE COMMUNITY CAN NOT BE SERVED IN A TIMELY MANNER. 
          THAT'S DANGEROUS. 
          THAT'S A SAFETY CONCERN. 
          AND I WANT TO JUST IMPLORE YOU GUYS TO REALLY THINK ABOUT THIS DECISION THAT YOU'RE MAKING, BECAUSE THERE COULD BE VERY BIG IMPLICATIONS ON OUR ROADS, THROUGH OUR FIRE AND EMS, UM, CENTER. 
          I HAVE A KID THAT HAD A DOUBLE LUNG TRANSPLANT. 
          I NEED EMS TO BE AVAILABLE AT ALL TIMES. 
          SO I JUST WANT TO LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT LASTLY, WE DO HAVE A PETITION THAT WAS STARTED ONLINE. 
          WE HAVE 713 SIGNATURES BETWEEN THESE, UH, PAPER PETITIONS AND THE ONLINE SIGNATURES. 
          WE HAVE 595 ONLINE SIGNATURES WITH EVERYTHING LAID OUT. 
          EVERY SINGLE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS STATED AND WRITTEN AT THAT POINT. 
          SO PEOPLE KNEW EXACTLY WHAT THEY WERE SIGNING. 
          AND I WOULD ALSO REALLY ASK YOU ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE FOR THIS. 
          I HAVEN'T HEARD ONE PERSON YET, OTHER THAN MR. WRIGHT, WHO IS ACTUALLY FROM BROWN TOWN. 
          SO WE'VE COME OUT. 
          UM, AND BELIEVE ME, WE WERE HERE IN A WHOLE LOT MORE NUMBERS FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          UNFORTUNATELY I THINK COVID HAS SCARED A LOT OF OUR COMMUNITY, AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S SO MANY LETTERS. 
          AND IT IS A SHAME THAT THEY'RE NOT BEING READ TONIGHT BECAUSE I KNOW THAT SOME OF THEM HAVE VERY, VERY, VERY IMPORTANT POINTS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE FIRE AND RESCUE SYSTEM. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          I APPRECIATE YOU ALL. 
          YES, OF COURSE. 
          SURE, SURE. 
          OF THE 795 GRADS, UH, SIGNATURES, HOW MANY ARE FROM BROWNTOWN AND OR BENTONVILLE? THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION. 
          AND I DON'T HAVE THAT DATA. 
          UM, I DIDN'T RUN ANY OF THAT, BUT ON THE PRINTOUT THAT I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU GUYS, AND I'M GOING TO EMAIL THE ONLINE ONE. 
          IT DOES HAVE ADDRESSES THERE. 
          UM, AND CLEARLY IF YOU CAN COME OUT FOR THE PROPOSAL, NOT BEING FROM BROWN TOWN, THEN YOU CAN TAKE AGAINST THE PROPOSALS FROM NOT BEING FROM BROWN TOWN. 
          SO I WOULD EXPECT THAT IT WOULD GO BOTH WAYS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          AND I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT AT LEAST FOR ME, AND I WOULD SAY FROM MOST OF THE MEMBERS OR ALL THE MEMBERS HERE, WE DID READ THE EMAILS. 
          UM, AND IF WE GET TO A POINT, WE CAN PICK OUT A FEW IF WE NEED TO. 
          UM, BUT IT'S SOME, THEY WERE LENGTHY. 
          UM, BUT WE DID READ THEM. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CRITCHFIELD. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME TODAY. 
          I'M SO I SIGNED UP FOR THE WRONG ONE. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          I WAS ON THE IMPRESSION THE ROAD TO BE ARGUED TOGETHER. 
          SO THAT'S WHY I SIGNED UP FOR ALL, NOT A PROBLEM. 
          UM, I LIVE ON BROWNTOWN ROAD AND I'M SORRY. 
          I LIVE ON WILLIAM VISIT ROAD. 
          IT'S A CUT-THROUGH, IT'S A BASICALLY IN THE MIDDLE IT'S TWO LANES WIDE AND EITHER END IT'S ONE LANE WIDE, NOTHING LIKE BEING RUN OFF THEIR OWN ROAD BY SOMEBODY FROM OUT OF STATE. 
          IT'S HAPPENED TO ME FIVE TIMES. 
          UH, THE, MY CONCERN WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AT MR. WRIGHT'S PROPERTY, ALTHOUGH I'M NOT AGAINST THE IDEA OF HIM TRYING TO SAVE HIS FARM IS THAT IT'S INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE ROADS THAT WE HAVE. 
          THERE. 
          WE DON'T, THE BROWN TOWN IS SUCH A SMALL COMMUNITY, HAS OLD ROADS. 
          IT HAS FARM COMMUNITY ROADS. 
          THEY'RE NOT DESIGNED FOR MODERN TRAFFIC AND YOU'RE HAVING OUTER STATERS COMING IN WHO HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT THE ROAD CONDITIONS IN THAT SECTION OF THE COUNTY. 
          AND I, THE, ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT RAN ME OFF THE ROAD WERE FROM OUT OF STATE. 
          THEY WERE ACTUALLY CUTTING THROUGH TO GO TO THE DUMP DUMP ON THE STUFF OFF ON THE ROAD AS THEY'RE GOING DOWN, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T TIE ANYTHING DOWN. 
          BUT THE, THE ISSUE IS IS THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE BYPASSING BROWNTOWN BECAUSE IT'S OUT OF THEIR WAY. 
          THEY JUST WANT TO GO THROUGH, TO CUT OUT TO SHORTCUT. 
          WELL, IF SOMEONE'S COMING TO WHOSE EVENT CENTER DON'T WANT TO TAKE THE LONG RIDE ROAD UP TO BROWN TOWN, THEY WANT TO TAKE A SHORTCUT OR TAKE A DIFFERENT ROUTE. 
          THEY'RE GOING TO GO RIGHT DOWN A COUNTRY ROAD. 
          IT'S NOT PAVED AND THAT'S IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE. 
          SO I HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES WITH THAT. 
          NOW, THE OTHER ISSUES THAT PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT TODAY, OR SOME OF THE, THE NOISE ISSUES OF WHERE I LIVE, OR YOU CAN HEAR SOME OF THE STUFF THEY DO SOMETIMES IN BROWNTOWN, WHEN THEY HAVE THEIR BLUEGRASS FESTIVAL, YOU CAN HEAR THAT I'M NOT OPPOSED TO BLUEGRASS, BUT MY WIFE 
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IS SHE'S LIKE, DON'T KNOW YOURS ALL THE TIME, BUT WHAT THE ISSUE REALLY IS, IT'S THE, IT'S THE INAPPROPRIATE, I THINK IT'S INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE, THE ROAD WAS THAT WE HAVE THERE. 
          NOW MY PAST CAREER WAS WITH THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE. 
          I'VE SERVED WITH THEM FOR 30 YEARS OF FOUR YEARS. 
          AND LAST 30 YEARS AS A LAW ENFORCEMENT INVESTIGATOR IN THE REALM OF ENFORCING ENVIRONMENTAL CRIMES, THAT INCLUDES ARPA-E WATER POLLUTION, SOMETIMES HOMICIDES. 
          BUT THE, MY CONCERN NOW IS THAT GOONIE MANNER, THE CREEK ITSELF AMONG THE OPPRESSION IS A PROTECTED STREAM FOR THE BROOK TROUT AND THAT ANY INFLUENCE, ANY INFLUENCE TO THAT STREAM IS USUALLY YOU HAVE TO DO SOME FORM OF PROTECTION FOR THE STREAM. 
          LIKE MY HOUSE, I PUT A SWIMMING POOL, THEN I PUT A RAIN GARDEN IN IT PREVENTS ITS OVERFLOW TO GO ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THAT CREEK. 
          I PUT THAT IN, UH, THE COUNTY DIDN'T ASK ME TO, BUT I PUT THAT IN THERE. 
          SO I WOULDN'T HAVE ANY POLLUTION EVENT GOING TO THE SMALL STREAM THAT I HAVE THAT FEEDS INTO GOONIE MANNER, UH, FROM MY, UH, COLLEAGUES THAT ARE STILL IN THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE, THEY HAVE NOT HEARD OF THIS EVENT. 
          UH, SENATOR BEING PLANNED ON A STREAM THAT'S THAT'S BEING FED OR THAT THEIR, THEIR PARK FEEDS A STREAM, BUT THE FISH IS SUPPOSED TO GO INTO THE PARK, HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT POLLUTION EVENT IF THEY WERE HAVING ONE FROM THEIR CAMP SITES. 
          AND I DON'T BELIEVE AGAIN, THAT SIX CAMPSITES IS GOING TO BE FEASIBLY MY AMOUNT OF TIME, WHICH IT'S ALMOST. 
          OH, SO I'M SORRY, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S NOT YOUR, MY, WE DON'T THINK WE'LL HAVE TO CONTINUE THIS LATER. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT, JOHN LEIA, HAYNES. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          I'M JOHN LEE HAYNES SEVEN 20 FETCHIT ROAD. 
          I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT THE DROPPING OF THESE TWO CUPS TO ME SEEMS LIKE A SMOKE AND MIRRORS PLAY TO MAKE IT SEEM LIKE MOVING FORWARD WOULD BE ON A SMALLER SCALE WHEN IT IS JUST AN OPENING FOR MORE TO COME MORE UNSUSTAINABLE GROWTH FOR THE AREA. 
          AND IT DOES NOT NEGATE THE NEGATIVE EFFECTS THAT WOULD STILL RESULT AS A FORMER LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. 
          THESE ARE MY POINTS OF VIEW TOWARDS THESE CUPS. 
          SAFETY IS A BIG CONCERN OF MINE AND WHERE WE LIVE IS WHERE WE LIVE. 
          THE CONDITIONS OF THE ROADS ARE WHAT THEY ARE. 
          THE PEOPLE THAT DO NOT ADHERE TO THE POST IN MILEAGE IS WHAT IT IS. 
          BUT NOW WE ARE BEING ASKED TO BRING IN MORE VEHICLES AND THUS MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR SPEEDING AND ACCIDENTS TO OCCUR. 
          BEING A HISTORIC AND SMALL TOWN. 
          WE HAVE A LOT OF WALKERS, JOGGERS AND BICYCLISTS. 
          WE ALREADY DEAL WITH THOSE THAT PRETEND THAT THERE ARE NO POSTED SPEED LIMITS. 
          AND WE WANT BRING MORE OUR WAY. 
          PEOPLE THAT DON'T KNOW THE ROADS THEY THINK THEY CAN DRIVE FASTER, PUSH YOU DOWN THE ROAD QUICKER, HAVE NO REGARD FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY. 
          THE LOOP ITSELF HAS BLIND SPOTS, LOW VISIBILITY, AND A LOT OF ITS PARTS. 
          SOMETIMES YOU DON'T SEE ANOTHER CAR COMING UNTIL IT'S ALREADY THERE. 
          THE SPEED LIMIT THERE IS TOO HIGH, IN MY OPINION, FOR TRAVERSING, IT IT'S DIFFICULT FOR THOSE THAT ACTUALLY LIVE HERE TO TRAVERSE EVERY SINGLE DAY. 
          AND YOU WANT TO PACK IT WITH PEOPLE THAT DON'T KNOW THE ROAD WITH OPEN FIRES. 
          ALL IT TAKES IS A SECOND FOR A SPARK TO TURN INTO SOMETHING BIGGER. 
          THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT LIVE UP IN DOWN GOONIE MANOR LOOP. 
          YOU WOULD BE PUTTING THEIR LIVES, THEIR HOMES, AND ALL THAT THEY HAVE AT STAKE, NOT TO MENTION THE FIRE STATIONS NEAREST DO NOT HAVE THE APPROPRIATE AND NECESSARY EQUIPMENT. 
          FIREFIGHTERS WOULD NEED TO HANDLE A FIRE WE'RE RESULTING IN NEEDING TO CALL CREWS FROM OTHER STATIONS. 
          AND HOW LONG WOULD THAT RESPONSE TIME BE? GOD FORBID THAT CREW THAT IS NEEDED HERE IS OFF TAKING CARE OF ANOTHER EMERGENCY SOMEWHERE IN THE COUNTY. 
          AND THEN HOW LONG WOULD THAT RESPONSE TIME BE THEN SAME FOR OUR WARREN COUNTY DEPUTIES, SHERIFF BUTLER STATED HIMSELF THAT MANPOWER IS LOW AND THAT'S NOT A FAD. 
          THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL BE FACING FOR YEARS TO COME. 
          I'M SURE WHEN THEY'RE USUALLY SIX UNITS OUT ON PATROL, THERE ARE NOW FOUR, FOUR UNITS WORKING WITHOUT PARTNERS FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTY. 
          WHAT HAPPENS WHEN EMERGENCY ARISES AND WE ARE IN NEED OF A DEPUTY OR THE LIKE, WHAT'S THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE TIME GOING TO BE? AND THAT'S NOT THEIR FAULT AT ALL BECAUSE THEY'RE WORKING WITH WHAT THEY HAVE AND DOING A VERY GOOD JOB, BUT IT SHOULD BE CLEAR TO EVERYONE THAT ADDING IN AN EVENT CENTER OR AT CAMP FROWN, WHAT BURDEN ARE ALREADY UNDERSTAFFED AND HEAVILY BURDENED, EMS FIRE STATIONS AND OUR WARREN COUNTY DEPUTIES, BECAUSE ACCIDENTS WILL HAPPEN. 
          THERE'S ALREADY SPEEDING. 
          THAT HAPPENS ON THIS ROAD, AS WELL AS DRIVING WHILE INTOXICATED. 
          ALL YOU ARE DOING IS ADDING TO THAT MESS. 
          AND AT AN EVENT CENTER, YOU ADDING PEOPLE THAT WILL BE DRINKING AT WHATEVER FUNCTION IS BEING HOSTED AT THE CAMPSITE FOR TENT CAMPERS. 
          AND MOST CERTAINLY THERE'S GOING TO BE DRINKING INVOLVED. 
          NOW, PICTURE THOSE PEOPLE OUT ON BUNI MANOR LOOP AND BROWNTOWN ROAD AT ALL TIMES OF THE DAY, THE RISK IS TOO HIGH, ESPECIALLY TO THOSE THAT LIVE HERE AND TO THOSE THAT COMMUTE ON THESE TWO ROADS DAILY, I'LL SAVE MY OTHER COMMENTS FOR LATER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, 
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KEN, FOR LONG KEN FURLONG, 7 71 WILLIAM VINCENT ROAD. 
          UM, I'D LIKE TO SAY, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING. 
          UH, THESE ARE EXTRAORDINARY REQUESTS THAT WERE REQUIRE EXTRA ORDINARY CONDITIONS TO APPROVE. 
          UM, A GENTLEMAN EARLIER SAID THAT IT'S NOT GOVERNMENT'S JOB TO TELL YOU WHAT TO DO ON YOUR OWN PROPERTY. 
          AND I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THAT. 
          IT IS GOVERNMENT'S JOB TO RESTRICT USES OF YOUR PROPERTY THAT AFFECT OTHER PEOPLE'S PROPERTY. 
          WE DON'T ALLOW PEOPLE TO DUMP CHEMICALS AND THEN DEFEND THEMSELVES BY SAYING IT'S MY PROPERTY RIGHTS. 
          UM, THESE, UH, REQUESTS WOULD HAVE EXTRA EFFECTS THAT WOULD NEGATIVELY AFFECT THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, AND THOSE EFFECTS ARE IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE PETITIONER TO CONTROL. 
          HE CAN NOT CONTROL THE TRAFFIC. 
          HE CAN NOT CONTROL DRUNK DRIVING. 
          HE CAN NOT CONTROL THE FACT THAT BROWNTOWN ROAD, BENTONVILLE ROAD AND GOONIE MEANDER LOOP ARE PREPOSTEROUS. 
          THE IDEA OF PUTTING HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW THE ROADS ON THOSE ROADS AT NIGHT AFTER POTENTIALLY DRINKING IS FARCICAL. 
          UM, IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE TO PREVENT THE NEGATIVE EFFECTS THAT THAT WILL HAVE. 
          UM, IT WAS MENTIONED THAT ONE OF THE IDEAS EXCUSE ME WITH THESE REQUESTS IS TO STABILIZE THE ENVIRONMENT. 
          THIS WOULD DESTABILIZE THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. 
          THE ONLY THING THAT STABILIZES IS LAND OWNERSHIP, WHICH IS DISTINCT FROM PRESERVING THE FAMILY FARM, PRESERVING A FAMILY FARMERS. 
          ONE THING PRESERVING OWNERSHIP IS THE OTHER, THIS IS ONLY THE LATTER, THIS DE STABILIZES THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, AND THAT'S BECAUSE EVERYONE ELSE IN THE COMMUNITY, AS SEVERAL PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED HAVE MADE LIFE DECISIONS BASED ON THE ESTABLISHED NORMS OF THE ZONING IN PLACE. 
          THE WHOLE REASON THIS REQUIRES SPECIAL PERMISSION IS BECAUSE IT FLIES IN THE FACE OF THAT ESTABLISHED ZONING THAT EVERYONE ELSE HAS BASED THEIR LIFE ON, UH, TO UPEND. 
          ALL OF THAT WOULD BE INCREDIBLY UNJUST AND INEQUITABLE. 
          UH, THE NUMBERS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF, UH, FOLKS WHO HAVE EMAILED AND SIGNED PETITIONS AND WHATNOT. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          UM, SO I'LL SAVE THE REST OF MY COMMENTS FOR, UH, THE OTHER, UH, REQUESTS. 
          I WOULD JUST END BY SAYING, I URGE YOU TO, UH, AGREE WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND, UH, DECLINED TO APPROVE THESE REQUESTS. 
          THANK YOU, MARY CHENERY. 
          GOOD EVENING, MARY CHERRY, SIX 18 CREST HAVEN COURT. 
          UM, I AM NOT FROM FRONT ROYAL. 
          I'VE LIVED HERE FOR 18 YEARS. 
          I ALSO DO NOT LIVE ON BROWN TOWN, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT FOR ME, BROWN TOWN IS NOT A SIGNIFICANT PART OF OUR COMMUNITY. 
          UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I LOVE MOST ABOUT MOVING FROM THE CITY TO FRONT ROYAL IS EVERYTHING AROUND US. 
          UM, I LOVE THE MOUNTAINS. 
          MY CHILDREN HAVE GROWN UP. 
          WE HAVE HIKED THE TRAILS. 
          WE'VE THROWN RIVERS IN THE ROCK ROCKS IN THE RIVER, SUNRISES, SUNSETS SPRING AND FALL HERE ARE SUCH IMPORTANT, SPECIAL PARTS OF THIS COMMUNITY AND THE THOUGHT OF THE LOSS OF ANY OF THESE ELEMENTS DUE TO MORE HOUSING VERSUS KEEPING THE LAND AS IT IS, UM, IS SAD IN MY OPINION FOR OUR COMMUNITY. 
          UM, I HAVE SPENT TIME TALKING WITH MR. WRIGHT ABOUT HIS PLANS AND FOR ANYBODY WHO'S TAKEN THE TIME TO SPEAK WITH HIM. 
          HE IS OBVIOUSLY VERY ENTHUSIASTIC AND PASSIONATE ABOUT PRESERVATION AND CONSERVATION OF THE LAND ON BROWN TOWN. 
          UM, I BELIEVE THAT HE'S TRYING TO SAVE BROWN TOWN FROM MORE HOUSES AND HAS IN MIND A PLAN FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT CAN PROMOTE COMMUNITY, UM, COULD POSSIBLY HAVE A JOB AVAILABLE AND, AND SAVES THE ENVIRONMENT, NOT SAVING THE ENVIRONMENT, BUT KEEPING MORE TREES AND MORE LAND. 
          THAT'S NOT DISRUPTED BY HOUSING. 
          AND FOR ANYBODY WHO THINKS THAT, UM, ALCOHOL AND DRUGS ARE JUST RESERVED FOR CAMP BROWNS, THERE'S PLENTY OF PEOPLE DOING ALCOHOL AND DRUGS IN THEIR HOUSE AND THEN GET ON THE ROAD AND DRIVE. 
          SO, UM, I DO BELIEVE THAT HE HAS INTENTIONS FOR THE PERMITS, UM, 
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COME FROM A REALLY GOOD AND SOLID PLACE FOR THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, AND I HOPE THAT YOU WILL TAKE SOME OF THESE THOUGHTS INTO CONSIDERATION, UM, FOR APPROVAL FOR THESE PERMITS. 
          AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION. 
          THANK YOU, MARIANNE THOMAS HI, MARIANNE THOMAS FOUR OR 5, 5, 1 BENTONVILLE ROAD BENTONVILLE. 
          THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF, UM, TALK ABOUT SAFETY. 
          SO I THINK I'M GOING TO GO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. 
          UM, I JUST WANT TO PREFACE MY HUSBAND AND I MOVED HERE MARCH FIVE YEARS AGO. 
          UM, WE PURCHASED A SPEC HOUSE, SO WE'RE PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          THAT'S COME TO BROWNTOWN. 
          WE'VE INTEGRATED, I'M A CITY GIRL TRANSPLANTED MY HUSBAND BORN AND RAISED IN THE COUNTRY. 
          HE'S BACK IN THE COUNTRY. 
          HE'S VERY HAPPY. 
          I WANT TO POINT SOMETHING OUT. 
          WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AGRITOURISM, UM, AGRITOURISM AND MY PERSONAL OPINION IS A WONDERFUL THING. 
          WE HAVE EXAMPLES IN BROWN TOWN, A VERY SUCCESSFUL AGRITOURISM. 
          WE HAVE A WONDERFUL EXAMPLE IN BENTONVILLE. 
          UM, THE TRUE DEFINITION OF AGRITOURISM BY, UM, VIRGINIA TECH AND THE VIRGINIA EXTENSION SERVICE IS AGRITOURISM IS DEFINED AS ANY ACTIVITY CARRIED OUT ON A FARM OR RANCH THAT ALLOWS MEMBERS OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC FOR RECREATIONAL ENTERTAINMENT OR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES TO VIEW OR ENJOY RURAL ACTIVITIES. 
          AND THEY SHOW EXAMPLES OF WHAT THIS REALLY IS. 
          IT INCLUDES FARMING, WINERIES, RANCHING, HISTORICAL CULTURAL HARVEST, YOUR OWN ACTIVITIES OR NATURAL ACTIVITIES AND ATTRACTIONS FOR MOST PEOPLE, AGRICULTURAL TOURISM REFERS TO VISITING A WORKING FARM. 
          I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. 
          AND WHEN WRIGHT COULD DO THIS, HE SHOWS PICTURES ON, ON FACEBOOK ALL THE TIME OF SHEEP AND COWS. 
          HE APPARENTLY HAS A WORKING FARM, UM, AND TO VISIT A WORKING FARM FOR ANY AGRICULTURAL HORTICULTURAL OR AGRA BUSINESS OPERATION IN ORDER TO ENJOY BE EDUCATED OR BECOME ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN ACTIVITIES OF THE FARM OR OPERATION, GETTING A TRUE FARM EXPERIENCE, TRUE FARM EXPERIENCE. 
          I'M GOING TO READ YOU A SHORT DEFINITION. 
          THAT'S BY THE U S DA. 
          THIS IS A NATIONAL DEFINITION. 
          SO WE HAVE A STATE AND WE HAVE A NATIONAL AVERAGE TOURISM IS A FORM OF COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE THAT LINKS OUR AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTION AND OR PROCESSING WITH TOURISM IN ORDER TO ATTRACT VISITORS ONTO A FARM RANCH OR OTHER AGRICULTURAL BUSINESS FOR THE PURPOSES OF ENTERTAINING AND ARE EDUCATING THE VISITORS AND GENERATING INCOME FOR THE FARM RANCH OR BUSINESS OWNER. 
          IT'S A GREAT IDEA. 
          UM, CAMPGROUNDS VENUE SETTINGS. 
          I'M GOING TO GO TO THE NEXT ONE NOW TO THE NEXT PROPOSAL. 
          UM, THEN YOU SAID HE ENDS THAT INCLUDE WEDDINGS, FAMILY REUNIONS, PARTIES, CONCERTS, ET CETERA, ARE NOT, ARE NOT EXAMPLES OF AGRITOURISM. 
          YOU DO NOT NEED AN EVENT CENTER NOR DO YOU NEED AN AMPHITHEATER TO HAVE AVERAGE TOURISM IT'S NOT NECESSARY. 
          I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT PART. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S A QUESTION I HAVE PERSONALLY, I'M GOING TO A VERY BEAUTIFUL BUSINESS PROGRESS, UM, PROCESS THAT IN BROWNTOWN IS OWNED BY JEFF AND KELLY WHITE. 
          THEY OWN GLEN MANOR VINEYARDS. 
          IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PLACE AND I WILL FINISH NEXT TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MARK THOMAS MARK THOMAS 4 5 5 1 BENTONVILLE ROAD. 
          MARYANNE'S HUSBAND AND A YES, WE WERE HERE FIVE YEARS AGO AND LIKE MANY OTHERS IN THE BROWN TOWN COMMUNITY. 
          WE CAME FOR THE BEAUTY, THE TRANQUILITY AND THE PEACEFULNESS OF THE SURROUNDING NATURE. 
          THEN THEY WERE THE KEY FACTORS OF OUR MOVE. 
          AND ONCE WE WERE HERE, IT IMMEDIATELY FELT LIKE HOME. 
          WE WERE VERY ACTIVE AND LOVED BEING OUTDOORS. 
          AS MANY PEOPLE HERE DO, UM, WHETHER IT'S HIKING, CYCLING, OR TAKING THE DOG FOR A WALK OR ATTENDING HERBIE'S, MANY OF THOSE HIKES WALKS WITH THE DOG AND CYCLING INVOLVED, GOOD NEW AND LOOP, WHICH MEANS WE SPEND A FAIR AMOUNT OF TIME, PROBABLY TWO TO THREE TIMES MINIMUM A WEEK ON THE LOOP. 
          SO WHEN WE HEARD THESE PROPOSALS WERE ON THE TABLE, IT WAS DISCOURAGING TO SAY THE LEAST, EVEN WITH THE LATEST ROUND OF CHANGES, WHERE TWO OF THE PROPOSALS BEING TABLED IN THE CAMPGROUND MODIFIED TO 50 SITES, IT DOES NOT SWAY OUR OPPOSITION TO BOTH ACTIVE PROPOSALS. 
          LIKE MANY OF THE SPEAKERS THAT POINTED OUT IN THE NOVEMBER PLANNING MEETING. 
          IT DOES NOT. 
          UM, THESE PROPOSALS HAVE NOT REALLY PROVIDE BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          THOSE OF US THAT ARE ACTUALLY IN THE COMMUNITY, UNLESS YOU CONSIDER TAX REVENUE, A BENEFIT, WHICH I GUESS YOU COULD. 
          IN FACT, THE MAJORITY OF THE IMPACT CREATED BY THESE PROPOSALS WILL BE DETRIMENTAL TO THOSE IN THE COMMUNITY, 
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THE GREATEST IMPACT TO SAFETY, WHICH WE'VE HEARD OVER AND OVER AGAIN. 
          UM, THE NUMBER OF THOSE PEOPLE TAKING WALKS, RUNNING AND CYCLING HAS INCREASED SINCE OUR TIME, RELATIVELY BRIEF TIME IN BROWNTOWN. 
          AND IF EITHER A PROPOSAL IS APPROVED, THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT THE RISK POSE TO THOSE CYCLISTS RUNNERS AND WALKERS WILL INCREASE. 
          IT'S JUST SIMPLE MATH, MORE VEHICLES DRIVEN BY DRIVERS, POSSIBLY IMPAIRED AND UNFAMILIAR WITH THE ROADS HAVE BLIND SPOTS, POOR SIGHT LINES JUST MEANS IT'S A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE A BROWNTOWN RESIDENT IS HIT BY A VEHICLE, WHETHER THEY'RE A PEDESTRIAN OR ACTUALLY DRIVING AND WHO WILL BE HELD TO ACCOUNT. 
          I UNDERSTAND THERE'S CURRENTLY THAT RISK. 
          NOW WE SEE THE ACCIDENTS ALREADY, BUT IT WILL JUST BE COMPOUNDED BY ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC. 
          OF COURSE, THERE ARE THE OTHER ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED SUCH AS THE INCREASE IN NOISE, LITTERING, UH, VEHICLE POLLUTION, UM, AND THEN THE QUALITY OF WATER, THE VENUE NOISE. 
          UM, SO YOU CAN SEE THAT WE HAVE MANY TYPES OF ISSUES THAT ARE OUTSTANDING FOR THOSE OF US WHO RESIDE IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          RARELY IS THERE A TOPIC WHERE A LARGE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE AGREE BASED ON THE RESPONSE OF THE BROWN TOWN AND SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES? I BELIEVE THIS IS ONE OF THOSE EXCEPTIONS, THE MEETINGS OF THE CONVERSATIONS AND THE SUBMITTED COMMENTS HAVE BEEN OVERWHELMINGLY AGAINST EVEN, EVEN AFTER TABLING TWO PROPOSALS, THESE PROPOSALS HAVE GALVANIZED THE BROWN TOWN COMMUNITY TO STOP THIS DEVELOPMENT. 
          WE ASK THAT YOU PLEASE LISTEN TO THE GROUNDSWELL, A SENTIMENT THAT IS AGAINST THESE WERE FO PROPOSALS IN ORDER TO PRESERVE OUR BROWN TOWN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BYE. 
          ANGELA KELLER, ANGELA KELLER 5 6 7 1 GOONIE MANOR LOOP. 
          UM, I FIRST WANT TO START BY, UH, LETTING YOU KNOW THAT I HAVE A COUPLE OF DOCUMENTS HERE FOR YOU ALL. 
          I'LL HAND THEM OVER HERE IN A MOMENT, BUT ON THE THIRD PAGE, IT SHOWS PAGE TWO OF THE RURAL RUSTIC, UH, THE RURAL RUSTIC ROAD PROGRAM OFF OF VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION'S WEBSITE. 
          UM, AS YOU KNOW, GOONIE MANOR LOOP RECEIVED FUNDING. 
          UM, THE APPROVAL WAS THROUGH THE COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS BACK IN 2012. 
          AND THERE'S A HAD TO GO THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS. 
          AND THEN IN 2013, UM, OR ACTUALLY THAT WAS 2013 WHEN IT WAS APPROVED IN 2014, WHEN THE PROCESS STARTED, IT WAS A WHOLE APPLICATION PROCESS HAD TO GO THROUGH THE BOARD. 
          AND SO I WANT TO SHARE SOME OF THE BULLET POINTS. 
          MR. WRIGHT DID MENTION THAT THE CARRYING CAPACITY IS 1500, THAT IT CAN BE NO MORE THAN 1500 VEHICLES PER DAY, BUT THAT THIS IS A GENERALIZED, UH, NUMBER FOR ALL OF ALL OF VIRGINIA THAT THEY'VE PLACED IN HERE. 
          BUT THE OTHER BULLET POINTS ARE THE ONES THAT ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO OTHER ONES. 
          UM, FOR INSTANCE, THE FOURTH BULLET POINT STATES THAT THE ROAD MUST BE USED PREDOMINANTLY FOR LOCAL TRAFFIC. 
          THE LOCAL NATURE OF THE ROAD MEANS THAT MOST MOTORISTS USING THE ROAD HAVE TRAVELED IT BEFORE AND ARE FAMILIAR WITH ITS FEATURES AND BECAUSE OF  RECENT REPORT. 
          AND THEY STATED THAT IN JUST THE RECENT ONE SEPTEMBER THAT THEY DID LAST YEAR, ROUTE 6 31 IS A RURAL RUSTIC ROAD WITH VERY POOR, POOR, VERTICAL, AND HORIZONTAL ALIGNMENT AND NARROW ROADWAY, GEOMETRY THAT CARRIES AN AVERAGE OF 80 TRIPS PER DAY, EVEN WITH THE REDUCTION TO 50 CAMPSITES. 
          UM, IT'S STILL AS WELL OVER IF YOU ADD THAT AND THE WEDDING OR THE, THE VENUE AND EVENT CENTER IN THERE AS WELL. 
          SO, UM, LASTLY FOR THE FIFTH BULLET POINT, IT STATES THAT THERE MUST BE MINIMAL ANTICIPATED TRAFFIC GROWTH. 
          THE COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WILL ENDEAVOR TO LIMIT GROWTH ON ROADS IMPROVED UNDER THE RURAL RUSTIC ROAD PROGRAM AND COOPERATE WITH V DOT THROUGH ITS COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING PROCESS. 
          AND SO TO ME, THIS IS CRITICAL. 
          UM, WE, AS THE LOCAL RESIDENTS ARE ASKING YOU TO PLEASE CONSIDER THIS, YOU, OUR ONLY HOPE IN BETWEEN THAT AND THAT WHOLE PROCESS, YOU CAN WORK WITH VIDO, BUT REALLY ULTIMATELY IT'S UP TO YOU TO PRESERVE THAT RUSTIC ROAD AND, AND TO, UM, PRESERVE THOSE, THOSE DIFFERENT CRITERIA UNDER WHICH WE HAVE THAT, THAT ROAD MANAGED UNDER THAT PROGRAM. 
          UM, AND A NICE GENTLEMAN FROM BROWNTOWN DID A REPORT. 
          HE LOOKED UP SOME REPORTS BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, THE, UM, THE V DOT DOESN'T GIVE KIND OF THE, THEY DON'T HAVE DATA ON CAMPGROUNDS AND WHAT THE TRAFFIC WILL BE LIKE FOR, FOR CAMPGROUNDS. 
          BUT, UH, IN 2021, KOA DID A CAMPING REPORT AND IT SHOWED STATISTICS THAT TYPICAL CAMPING TRIP THAT WILL INCLUDE ABOUT FOUR PEOPLE. 
          UM, AND SO IF YOU ADD THOSE, LET'S JUST SAY THEY COME ALL IN ONE CAR, WHOEVER THEY ARE, THOSE CAMPSITES THAT'S 50 CARS, LET'S SAY THEY COME IN, THAT'S 50 EXTRA TRIPS. 
          UM, AND THEN YOU ADD IN, IF I COULD JUST FINISH THESE NUMBERS, UM, YOU ADD THAT IN. 
          MAYBE THEY WANT TO GO OUT FOR A TRAIL OR CAMP. 
          THAT'S 150 TRIPS. 
          PLUS THE, THE TRIP TO THE VENUE, 160 ON THE V.REPORT. 
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THAT'S 310 CARS, 80 VERSUS 310 DOESN'T ALLOW FOR, YOU KNOW, MORE LOCAL TRAFFIC THAN OUTSIDE TOURIST TRAFFIC. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          SORRY. 
          I'M SILVER. 
          JAMES KELLER. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          UH, JAMES KELLER 5, 6, 7 1 GOODY MANOR LOOP. 
          UM, I WOULD, UM, THE OUTSET OF MY REMARKS, I WOULD JUST POINT YOUR ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT THERE WAS A REASON WHY, AND MANY REASONS WHY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DECIDED TO GO AHEAD AND DENY THESE, UH, CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS. 
          UM, THOSE REVOLVE LARGELY AROUND THE LACK OF ROAD, QUALITY, TRAFFIC, FIRE, EMS RESPONSE, AND WATER, ENVIRONMENTAL CONSIDERATIONS, SOMETHING THAT KEEPS, HOWEVER, THAT KEEPS COMING BACK TO MY MIND AS WE LISTEN TO THE COMMENTS, IS WE, ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE THAT SUPPORT THIS. 
          AND BY THE WAY, I, I WOULD SAY TO THE OUTSET THAT I HAVE, I'M A FIERCE PROPONENT OF INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS. 
          I DO THINK IT'S, UM, AND I, I SUPPORT THE CAPITALIST NOTION OF TRYING TO, UM, PROMOTE ONE'S PROPERTY FOR GAIN. 
          UM, AND I DO THINK THAT YOU WILL NOT FIND ANYONE IN THIS ROOM. 
          WHO'S MORE DESIROUS TO PRESERVE OPEN LAND THAN MYSELF. 
          I COME FROM MULTIPLE GENERATIONS OF CATTLEMEN OUT WEST, UM, WHO HAVE DEALT WITH MANY BUREAUCRACIES, GOVERNMENT BUREAUCRACIES, AND, AND THOSE WHO WOULD STRIVE TO BREAK UP, UH, UH, PRIVATELY OWNED LAND, INCLUDING THOSE THAT OPERATED AND OWNED BY MY OWN FATHER. 
          AND I'VE SEEN FIRSTHAND SOME OF THE DIGNITARIES IMPACTS AND CONSEQUENCES THAT CAN COME FROM PEOPLE WHO DON'T REALLY KNOW THE ISSUES AND TRY AND GET INVOLVED. 
          SO WITH THAT BACKGROUND IN MIND, I WOULD SAY THAT THERE'S A LOT OF SUPPORT FOR THOSE COMING INTO BROWN TOWN TO TAKE PART AND ENJOY THE BENEFITS THAT BROWN TOWN, UM, OFFERS SUCH AS WE MENTIONED, THE CLEAN AIR, THE TREES, THE TRAILS, AND THIS AND THAT, BUT HOW DOES THAT MATCH? HOW DOES THAT BENEFIT ME AS A BROWNTOWN RESIDENT? ULTIMATELY, I DON'T BELIEVE IT DOESN'T BECAUSE I, I'M NOT GOING TO GO A MILE UP THE ROAD AND CAMP. 
          THESE POTENTIALLY COULD BENEFIT INDIVIDUALS FROM DC, BUT WHO'S LEFT TO PICK UP THE TRASH. 
          I AM, WHO'S LEFT TO DEAL WITH THE TRAFFIC. 
          I AM THESE CONSEQUENCES THAT ARE LEFT BY INDIVIDUALS WHO COME OUT FROM DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, ULTIMATELY ARE THE, THE, UH, THE, THE BURDEN IS BORNE BY THE LOCAL RESIDENTS. 
          AND I FEEL LIKE THOSE THAT ARE IN SUPPORT OF THIS, AREN'T REALLY UNDERSTANDING THAT WHILE THEY CAN BENEFIT AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT BROWN TAN HAS TO OFFER, WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO OFFER ME? I WOULD COUNTER BY SAYING NOT VERY MUCH. 
          IN FACT, I'M LIVING 35 FEET FROM GOONIE MANOR LOOP GIVES ME GRAVE CONCERN FOR THE SAFETY OF MY CHILDREN, UM, REGARDING, UH, POTENTIAL DRUNK DRIVERS, THE INABILITY TO ENFORCE THE PROHIBITION ON ALCOHOL, FIREWORKS, FIREARMS, ET CETERA. 
          THESE ARE ALL CONCERNS FROM AN ENFORCEMENT, UH, UH, PERSPECTIVE. 
          THAT GIVES ME ALSO A GRAVE CONCERN. 
          I ALSO AM CONCERNED ABOUT CREEPING DEVELOPMENT, WHERE WE START AT 50, AND THAT IS AS HAS BEEN MENTIONED, IT GOES TO 70 AND 80 AND A HUNDRED. 
          AND THEN WHO KNOWS WHAT WILL HAPPEN AFTER THAT? UM, THE, THE BENEFITS, AGAIN, LARGELY WOULD, IF THERE ARE ANY WOULD BENEFIT THOSE EXTERNALLY, WHO HAD COME INTO BROWN TOWN AND LEAVE THOSE WHO ARE IN BROWNTOWN TO TRY AND CLEAN UP MESSES, TO TRY AND DEAL WITH THE PROBLEMS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS CAMPGROUND. 
          AND I, I, I, UH, REQUEST THAT YOU DECLINE THIS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WILLIAM BARNETT. 
          I'M WILLIAM BARNETT. 
          I LIVE AT 1115 BUCK MOUNTAIN ROAD, BENTONVILLE. 
          I LIVE ON, I LIVE ON A PORTION OF THE FAMILY FARM. 
          I GREW UP IN, PEOPLE ASKED ME IF I'VE LIVED HERE ALL MY LIFE. 
          AND I TELL HIM, NO, NOT YET. 
          I LOVE THIS. 
          I LOVE THIS COMMUNITY. 
          I LOVE THIS COMMUNITY, BUT IF YOU LISTENED TO THE OBJECTIONS TO THIS, THEN YOU SHOULD NEVER, EVER, EVER APPROVE A PRIVATE CAMPGROUND ON ANY PROPERTY IN WARREN COUNTY, BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL INFESTED WITH DRUGS AND ALCOHOL AND RECKLESS DRIVERS. 
          AND THEY THROW ALL THEIR TRASH OUT THE WINDOWS AND ALL THAT. 
          SO WHATEVER, THERE'S NOTHING UNIQUE ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR SITE. 
          SO IF THIS, IF YOU CAN'T APPROVE A CAMPGROUND ON THIS SITE, THEN YOU SHOULD NOT APPROVE ANY IN WARREN COUNTY, EXCEPT PERHAPS IF IT FRONTS DIRECTLY ON 3 40, 55 OR 5 22, THE, UH, 
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UH, ALL THESE THINGS ARE NOTHING UNIQUE TO THIS PARTICULAR ROAD. 
          THIS ROAD HAS A CAPACITY THAT CAN HANDLE THAT CAN HANDLE THAT TRAFFIC. 
          AND, UH, THERE'S NONE OF THESE OTHER SITUATIONS THAT ARE CITED ARE UNIQUE TO THIS PARTICULAR SITE. 
          AND SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND THAT, UH, THAT IF IT'S NOT UNIQUE TO THIS PARTICULAR SITE, IF YOU'RE GOING TO APPROVE THEM IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTY, WHY WOULD YOU NOT APPROVE IT THERE? THE FACT IS THAT WE NEED THAT. 
          WE NEED AGRICULTURAL TOURISM IN WARREN COUNTY. 
          WE NEED, WE, WE REALLY NEED PEOPLE TO DO OTHER INNOVATIVE THINGS WITH THEIR PROPERTY. 
          IT DOESN'T MEAN IS THAT, ARE THEY GOING TO GO BANKRUPT IF THEY DON'T DO THIS OR NOT? BUT THEY PR THE FIRST PREMISE IN REAL ESTATE IS IT'S INTENDED TO BE USED. 
          IT'S IT'S NOT INTENDED TO BE UNUSED. 
          SO FOR AGRICULTURAL, FOR CAMPING, FOR OTHER THINGS, BRINGING PEOPLE OUT INTO THIS COMMUNITY IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. 
          BROWNTOWN HAS, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY, FIVE OR SIX FESTIVALS A YEAR THEY HAVE PARADES. 
          THEY HAVE EVERYTHING. 
          THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO COME AND OVERTAKE BROWNTOWN, BROWNTOWN LOVES FESTIVALS, BROWNTOWN LOVES EVENTS AND PARADES AND EVERYTHING. 
          THEY'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR YEARS, AND I ENJOY GOING THERE. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU KIND OF KEEP THIS IN PERSPECTIVE, BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THESE OBJECTIONS, THEY'RE NOT UNIQUE TO THIS PARTICULAR SITE AND THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS PARTICULAR SITE. 
          THERE ARE GENERAL OBJECTIONS THAT CAN BE RAISED ANYWHERE IN WARREN COUNTY. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          THANK YOU, PHILLIP PHILLIP VAUGHT, 1, 2, 4 LURAY AVENUE, MADAM CHAIRMAN AND SUPERVISORS. 
          GOOD NEWS AND BAD NEWS. 
          A LOT OF POSITIVE AND COMMUNITY BUILDING HAS COME FROM THE LAST TWO MONTHS SINCE THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, INCLUDING NEIGHBORS WHO ORIGINALLY OPPOSED THESE PROJECTS COMING TOGETHER TO REALIZE THE POTENTIAL FOR GOOD AT MAINLINE RANCH, AND NOW SUPPORT THESE PROPOSALS. 
          I PLAN TO ELABORATE MORE ON THOSE DURING ROUTE NUMBER, THOSE FEEL GOOD STORIES AND ROUND NUMBER TWO, BUT FIRST THE HARD FACTS, THIS HEARING IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN A CAMPGROUND AND AN EVENT CENTER. 
          THOSE WITH SUBSTANTIAL LANDHOLDINGS IN WARREN COUNTY ARE PAYING ATTENTION BECAUSE AS THE FIRST APPLICATION OF ITS KIND IN 20 YEARS, THIS WILL SET THE PRECEDENT FOR WHETHER THIS BOARD IS POISED TO PROTECT PROPERTY RIGHTS OR TO GIVE INTO THE VOCAL MINORITY OF THOSE WHO SEEK TO IMPEDE RESPONSIBLE ALTERNATIVE LAND USES TO RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVIDING. 
          IF THERE'S ONE POINT I WANT YOU TO HEAR FROM ME, IT'S THIS TONIGHT IS NOT A VOTE OR A REFERENDUM. 
          I WAS DISMAYED AT THE OUTCOME OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING IN NOVEMBER, BECAUSE IT WAS CLEAR THAT THOSE MEMBERS FELL VICTIM TO A COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION RATHER THAN GIVE THE APPLICANT A FAIR SHAKE CASE. 
          IN POINT THAT NIGHT, THE COMMISSION UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED AS YOU DID TONIGHT, A SIMILAR APPLICATION FOR AN EVENT CENTER IN SOUTH WARREN, LOCATED ON A ONE LANE RURAL ROAD, WHICH WAS INACCESSIBLE LOCATED FAR FROM FIRE AND EMS RESPONSE WITH NO CELL PHONE SERVICE, SURROUNDED BY RESIDENCES AND HUNDREDS OF ACRES OF WOODS. 
          DOES THAT SOUND FAMILIAR? IT SHOULD, BECAUSE THOSE WERE PRECISELY THE REASONS PURPORTED, EXCUSE ME, PURPORTED, TO RECOMMEND DENIAL FOR THE APPLICATION OF MR. WRIGHT'S APPLICATION. 
          BILL APPROVED APPLICATION WAS ALSO ON A GRAVEL ROAD ON A CURVE AND MR. WRIGHT ACTUALLY LIVES AT HIS, UH, LIVES, UH, FULL TIME. 
          AND FOR A LONG TIME IN BROWNTOWN, I BRING THIS COMPARISON UP, NOT TO MAKE THINGS DIFFICULT FOR MR I AND HIS APPLICATION, BUT TO DEM DEMONSTRATE THE INCONSISTENT AND BLATANTLY UNFAIR PROCEDURE AND PROCESS FOR DELIBERATE DELIBERATION FOR THESE APPLICATIONS FURTHER MAKING IT UNLIKELY THAT LARGE PROPERTY OWNERS TO COME BEFORE THESE BOARDS AND INSTEAD GO FOR THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE IN THE MOST PROFIT. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE A TOUGH CROWD HERE. 
          I DON'T EXPECT THAT OUR GRANDPARENTS AND FARMERS WHO ARE DOWNSIZING AND CONSIDERING ALTERNATE USES FOR THEIR LAND OR THE LESS VOCAL MEMBERS OF THE SILENT MAJORITY, OR THOSE OF US WHO HAVE FAMILIES WHO OWN HAVE OWNED LAND IN WARREN COUNTY FOR MANY GENERATIONS WILL WANT TO COME AND SUBJECT THEMSELVES TO THIS OR THIS PROCESS THEY WILL SIMPLY DO WITH THEIR LAND. 
          WHAT IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT? AND THEY'LL DO SO WITH NO REQUIREMENT WHATSOEVER TO IMPROVE ROADS, INFRASTRUCTURE, OR PUBLIC SERVICES. 
          AND LET ME TELL YOU WHAT THESE QUIET AND RESPECTFUL PROPERTY OWNERS ARE NOT COMING TO ASK PERMISSION, WHICH IS A COMMON MISUNDERSTANDING FOR THOSE WHO THINK THAT THIS IS A VOTE AND ASK WHAT'S IN IT FOR ME. 
          I'LL CONTINUE 
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MY REPORT, UH, REMARKS ON THE SECOND, SECOND HEARING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. 
          NO ONE ELSE HAS SIGNED UP FOR THIS PUBLIC HEARING. 
          YES, SIR. 
          MY NAME IS NEANDERTHAL AND MY CAVE IS IN THE AREA OF ROCKY LANE. 
          SO I OWN THAT CAVE, SIR. 
          CAN YOU GIVE ME YOUR CORRECT NAME PLEASE? YEAH. 
          MY NAME IS WELLS NEANDERTHAL BILL AND MY CAVE IS NEAR ROCKY LANE. 
          I WASN'T GOING TO SPEAK TONIGHT UNTIL I GOT HERE AND HEARD AND SEEN WHAT I'VE BEEN SEEING. 
          I NOTICED WITH A BOAT COMING TONIGHT ON A VOTE THAT IS IMPORTANT TO THIS COMMUNITY. 
          LIKE NO OTHER IN A LONG TIME THAT THERE'S AN EMPTY SEAT HERE. 
          I JUST WANT TO MAKE A NOTE OF THAT. 
          MY NEXT THING IS, I KNOW THIS IS NOT A QUESTION AND ANSWER TIME, BUT I AM GOING TO ASK ONE RHETORICALLY. 
          DID MR. WRIGHT SUBMIT HIS CHANGE FROM 100 TO 50 TO PLANNING AND ZONING BEFORE TONIGHT? MRS. COLORS, YOU ACTUALLY, YOU ACTUALLY INDICATED THAT YOU WERE KIND OF SURPRISED TO HEAR THAT TONIGHT OR THE REST OF YOU SURPRISED BY HIM. 
          I ATTENDED THE MEETING IN BROWNTOWN. 
          I MET WITH MR. WENDLING ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS. 
          I WAS HERE FOR THE LAST PUBLIC HEARING AND IT WAS ALL ABOUT A HUNDRED SITES. 
          NOW IT'S 50 AND THEN A LITTLE COUNTRY STORE TYPE THING. 
          IT REMINDS ME OF SOMETHING CALLED BAIT AND SWITCH. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? YES, MA'AM. 
          AND I WILL REMIND YOU, WE HAVE A FEW MORE OF THESE, SO YOU WILL GET AN OPPORTUNITY AT THE OTHERS. 
          UH, MY NAME IS SARAH ANNA AND STAY LIVE AT 1, 1 4 7 OAKS DRIVE. 
          UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ECHO SOME OF THE COMMENTS OF OTHER PEOPLE ABOUT THE NOISE IMPACTS OF THIS PROPERTY, WHICH WILL BE SIGNIFICANT. 
          UM, IT WAS MENTIONED AT THE PLANNING HEARING THAT THE, UH, THE CHURCH BELLS IN BROWNTOWN CAN BE EASILY HEARD ALL THROUGHOUT BROWN TOWN. 
          I LIVE RIGHT OFF WILLIAM VINCENT ROAD. 
          YOU CAN HEAR THEM EVERY TIME THEY RANG. 
          THEY'RE LOVELY. 
          IF YOU HAVE A CONCERT VENUE THERE, THAT'S GOING TO BE HEARD BY EVERYONE THAT HAS A SIGNIFICANT NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE LIVES OF MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING THERE. 
          UM, IT'S A LITTLE DISMAYING TO HEAR, UM, COMMENTS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THIS BEING A COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION OR LOSING IN THE COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION BY THE MINORITY. 
          UM, EVERYONE WHO'S COMING OUT TONIGHT AND WRITING LETTERS AND REPEATEDLY COMING OUT IS HERE BECAUSE WE CARE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE I BELIEVE IN INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS, I AM NOT ABLE TO SUBDIVIDE MY 10 ACRE PROPERTY INTO FIVE, TWO ACRE, LOTS FUNDAMENTALLY, YOU KNOW, AND SELL THOSE HOUSES OFF TO OTHER PEOPLE OR EVEN BUILD ANY OTHER STRUCTURES OF MY OWN ON IT. 
          FUNDAMENTALLY, THIS IS NOT A LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT. 
          IT'S A VERY HIGH IMPACT DEVELOPMENT. 
          EVEN 50 CAMPSITES ON A HUNDRED ACRES WILL HAVE A SIGNIFICANT NEGATIVE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT. 
          IT'S VERY HARD TO HEAR ABOUT THIS AS PRESERVATION OF THE ENVIRONMENT, WHEN THAT WOULD HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT IN TERMS OF EROSION AND TRAFFIC. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, 10 CAMPSITES IN THAT SPACE MIGHT HAVE LESS DEVELOPMENT, BUT I MEAN, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY STUDIES ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF A HUNDRED CAMPSITES, FURTHERMORE, AND THIS WAS SIGNIFICANTLY DISCUSSED AT THE LAST HEARING. 
          I'M SURE YOU HAVE MANY LETTERS ABOUT IT. 
          UM, THE FIRE IS FROM THE CAMPSITES IS SIGNIFICANT. 
          THERE ARE NOT FIRES ALLOWED IN THE NATIONAL PARKS. 
          MOREOVER, YOU KNOW, WE HAD ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORS HERE TONIGHT TALKING ABOUT HER SON WHO HAS A DOUBLE LUNG TRANSPLANT OR HER CHILD, THE IMPACT OF THE SMOKE FROM THOSE CAMPFIRES FROM 50 CAMPFIRES EVERY NIGHT IS REALLY TREMENDOUS. 
          YOU KNOW? AND THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY FIRES AREN'T ALLOWED IN THE NATIONAL PARKS. 
          THIS IS FROM THE U S EPA FIND PARTICULATES, MAKE ASTHMA SYMPTOMS WORSE, FINE. 
          PARTICULATES CAN ALSO TRIGGER HEART ATTACKS, STROKES, IRREGULAR, HEART RHYTHMS, AND HEART FAILURES. 
          YOU KNOW, CAMPERS COME OUT TO HAVE FIRES AND THEY ENJOY THAT. 
          BUT WHEN THAT'S HAPPENING, YOU KNOW, MANY NIGHTS THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER TO THE WHOLE COMMUNITY, THERE'S NEGATIVE HEALTH IMPACT ON THE WHOLE COMMUNITY THAT WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AN IMPACT ASSESSMENT ON WHAT THAT MIGHT BE LIKE FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, AND THAT IS ALL. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYONE ELSE AT THIS TIME? SECOND CALL. 
          YES, SIR. 
          HI, MY NAME'S SEAN URBANSKI. 
          I LIVE ON A 4 3, 4 3 6 4 5. 
          WE RUN ROAD IN LINDEN. 
          UM, I LIVE ON A SINGLE WELL, IT'S A, IT'S A ONE AND A HALF TRACK DIRT ROAD. 
          UM, GROWING UP, WE TOOK THE BUS DOWN THIS ROAD AND WE MANY TIMES ENCOUNTERED MANY PEOPLE ON THIS ROAD IN PRECARIOUS 
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SITUATIONS. 
          AND EVERYONE LEARNED GROWING UP HOW TO DRIVE THESE ROADS. 
          WE LIVE IN A CUT-THROUGH FROM LINDA VINEYARDS TO WRAP ANNEX SELLERS, AND WE ARE NEIGHBORING MARRIOTT TRAIL RIDES BARN AND EVENT CENTER. 
          WE HAVE SEEN TRAFFIC ON A LOW ESTIMATE, 10 FOLD SINCE I WAS A CHILD. 
          THE ONLY THREE ACCIDENTS THAT I KNOW OF IN 33 YEARS WERE CAUSED BY LOCALS IGNORING THE SPEED LIMIT AND DRIVING IN A RECKLESS MANNER BECAUSE THEY WERE LATE TO SOMETHING THEY PLANNED POORLY. 
          PEOPLE THAT DO USE OUR ROAD ARE PEOPLE WHO COME OUT TO THIS ENVIRONMENT. 
          THIS, THIS, THIS AREA WE HAVE TO, UM, TO GO TO WINERIES. 
          IT'S A BIG PUSH IN OUR AREA SPECIFICALLY. 
          AND THEY COME OUT TO DO TWO THINGS. 
          THEY COME OUT TO DRINK AND THEY COME OUT TO DRIVE TO OTHER PLACES TO DRINK. 
          IT IS A CONCERN FOR ME THAT EVERYONE IMPLIES THAT ANYONE THAT COMES TO A VISITING AREA IS NOT CAPABLE OF NAVIGATING A ROAD THEY'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE. 
          IT WOULD IMPLY THAT EVERYONE HERE CANNOT DRIVE EVER ANYWHERE THEY GO, IT IS RIDICULOUS AND ABSURD, BUT I UNDERSTAND IT AS A PERSONAL INTEREST IN COMMUNITY AND LAND PRESERVATION. 
          WHAT I DON'T APPRECIATE IS IT IS A SELF-CENTERED INTEREST. 
          IT IS NOT OUR COMMUNITY'S INTEREST. 
          IT IS THOSE OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THAT ROAD TO PROTECT IT FROM OTHERS. 
          AND THAT IS NOT WHAT WE ARE AS WARREN COUNTY. 
          WE ARE NOT A TRIBE OF PEOPLE THAT DO NOT ALLOW INCLUSIVITY. 
          WE ARE A COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE WHO ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO JOIN US IN OUR COMMUNITY AND PARTICIPATE AS WE DO FREELY IN IT'S BEAUTY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          YES, MA'AM UM, CHERYL INGLIS, UH, UH, THREE 11 VIRGINIA AVENUE, FOR REAL, I'M SURPRISED ANYONE LIVES IN BROWN TOWN AS DANGEROUS AS IT IS ANYMORE. 
          UM, WITH THE OTHER THING IS, IS I LIVED ALSO WHEN, WHEN I WAS, UH, I LIVED IN FUCKER COUNTY AND, UH, MARRIOTT RANCH CAME IN AND THEY PROPOSE TO GO AHEAD AND HAVE AN EVENT CENTER. 
          AND, UH, THEY HAD DONE A BRILLIANT JOB OF BRINGING THE PUBLIC TOGETHER, NOT ONLY FROM OUTSIDE OF THE AREA, BUT FROM INSIDE OF THE AREA. 
          A LOT OF LOCAL PEOPLE HAVE GONE AHEAD AND USED THEIR FARMS. WE SAW OUR FAMILY FARM, MY HUSBAND'S FAMILY FARM COME FROM 600 ACRES DOWN TO 76 ACRES. 
          NOW IT HAS MULTIPLE HOUSES ON IT. 
          THERE ARE NO MORE FARMLANDS OUT THERE ANYMORE. 
          THEY'RE GONE. 
          I, UH, FIND THIS SMOKE FROM A CAMPFIRE, QUITE PLEASANT, AND I'M REALLY SORRY THAT SOMEONE'S CHILD MIGHT GET HURT BY THAT. 
          MEANWHILE, AT, UH, SHANDA, UM, THE PARK, UH, SHINDER RIVER PARK, THE, UM, YURTS ARE BEAUTIFUL. 
          THEY'RE THERE. 
          AND IF SOMETHING WAS TO HAPPEN TO THEM, YOU COULD MOVE THEM FROM ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER. 
          IF YOU NEEDED TO, THEY'RE NOT CONSIDERED PERMANENT STRUCTURES. 
          I HAVE BEEN CAMPING DOWN THERE AT THE, UH, THE STATE PARK. 
          IT'S NEVER THAT FULL TO CAPACITY AND WHAT IT IS, THE PLACE THAT HAS BEEN A PROBLEM IS THE PLACE ACROSS THE RIVER THAT IS, UH, HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE OTHER GENTLEMAN. 
          BUT THAT PLACE IS REALLY LOUD, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE EDELMAN REALLY WANTS TO TAKE CARE OF THE AREA. 
          AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PROBLEM IS. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UM, GENERATED MONEY FOR OUR TOWN ALSO. 
          AND THAT WOULD COME FROM TOURISM. 
          TOURISM IS OUR BIGGEST SOURCE OF INCOME AND WE'RE BLOWING IT SIMON PETRIS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HOW LONG WAS THAT STUPID BUILDING? JUST A, A WASTE OF, OF, YOU KNOW, OF EVERYTHING. 
          IT WAS AN EYESORE. 
          IT NEEDED TO BE KNOCKED DOWN. 
          I CONGRATULATE HERE FROM GOD AHEAD AND BUYING IT, AND I HOPE THAT THERE ARE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE FINISHED BEING MADE TO IT. 
          THAT WILL MAKE A WELCOME AREA AS PART OF OUR TOWN OF FRONT WHEEL. 
          SO NOT ONLY IS HE EXPANDING HIS HORIZONS FROM BROWNTOWN, BUT ALSO INTO FORT ROYAL, I HOPE HE HAS ANOTHER $2 BILLION SUSPEND TO HELP OUR TOWN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          LAST CALL FOR THIS ITEM. 
          I THINK HER HAND WENT UP FIRST. 
          HELLO, MY NAME'S MAGGIE O'BRIEN. 
          I LIVE ON SMITH RUN ROAD 1429. 
          AND I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THESE TWO PROPOSALS, UH, MR. I AND EDWIN, THEY'RE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. 
          AS IN MR. I'S PROPOSAL, HE GUARANTEES THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE GONE AT 10 O'CLOCK. 
          THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE STAYING THERE OVERNIGHT. 
          THEY'RE NOT GOING TO REQUIRE FIRES 
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IN AND BATHROOM FACILITIES THAT ARE GOING TO ALREADY, UM, HEARD OUR WELL THEY'RE ALREADY SEEING A MAJOR DECREASE IN OUR RUNS AS IT IS. 
          AND ANOTHER THING WITH THE EDWIN PROPOSALS, WHERE ARE THESE PEOPLE GOING TO GO TO HYPHEN AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO THE TRAILHEADS AT THE END OF SMITH'S RUN ROAD, WHERE THERE ISN'T ANYWHERE TO PARK PARK OR ABOUT, UM, WAS IT LANDS, RUN. 
          THERE'S ANOTHER ONE DOWN THERE, AGAIN, NOWHERE TO PARK. 
          THERE'S NOWHERE FOR THESE PEOPLE TO PARK. 
          AND THE TRASH ALREADY IS RIDICULOUS ON THE SIDE OF THE ROADS. 
          AND I KNOW BECAUSE I PERSONALLY PICK IT UP MYSELF AND YOU CAN'T EVEN KEEP UP WITH IT. 
          I'LL PICK IT UP ONE DAY. 
          I'LL COME RIGHT BACK DOWN THE ROAD AND THERE'S MORE CANS JUST STARTING OUT. 
          I MEAN, YOU COULD TELL THEY'RE FRESHLY THROWN OUT. 
          SO I THINK WE HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS BEFORE WE START BRINGING IN OTHER PEOPLE AND THIS OTHER NOTION THAT WE WANT TO BRING IN PEOPLE AND SHARE WHAT WE HAVE. 
          I SEE NO TRESPASSING SIGNS EVERYWHERE I GO. 
          I'M NOT SURE WHO QUITE WANTS TO SHARE ANYTHING. 
          I THINK WE'RE GOOD OUT HERE ALL BY OURSELVES. 
          THAT'S ALL THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY OTHER HANDS THAT WERE GOING TO SAY YOUR LAST ONE ON THIS ONE. 
          KELLY CAMPBELL. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          KEVIN AND KELLY CAMPBELL, 38 62 BUTTON VILLE ROAD. 
          MY CONCERN THAT I DON'T THINK HAS PUSHED ENOUGH IS OUR WATER SITUATION. 
          UM, WE HAVE ONE CREEK THAT'S PRETTY MUCH DRESSED SINCE I WAS YOUNGER. 
          AND GOONIE CREEK IS PRETTY MUCH DOWN TO A DRIZZLE FOR THE MOST PART WE'RE INTO JANUARY. 
          AND SHE'S STILL REALLY, REALLY LOW. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT HE DECIDED TO DOWNSIZE AND GO SMALLER. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE GOT 50 CAMPSITES, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GUYS USED TO CAMP, BUT WE USED IT AS MANY AS WE COULD GET ON A CAMP SITE, THE MORE THE MERRIER WE LIKE TO PARTY HAVE A GOOD TIME. 
          THAT'S THE WHOLE REASON FOR CAMPING. 
          YOU GO OUT, YOU GET AWAY FROM EVERYTHING AND EVERYBODY AND HAVE A GOOD TIME. 
          AND I JUST THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT MORE PEOPLE THAN WHAT THEY'RE ANTICIPATING IS GOING TO BE. 
          AND I THINK MORE OUGHT TO BE STUDIES OUGHT TO BE DONE ON OUR WATER. 
          AND I AGREE, AS FAR AS THE OTHER GENTLEMAN, I DON'T SEE WHERE ANYTHING'S THE SAME. 
          ALL HIS NEIGHBORS ARE OKAY WITH IT. 
          NONE OF THESE GUYS WE'RE NEIGHBORS ARE OKAY WITH IT. 
          SO THAT'S ALL I GOT. 
          YES, MA'AM MADDIE KELLER, 56, 71 GOODIE MAN OR LU. 
          I LIVE IN BROWNTON VIRGINIA, RIGHT ON THE SIDE OF GOODIE. 
          MEN ARE LUPE. 
          AND VERY OFTEN THROUGHOUT THE DAY, CARS HAVE TO PASS ON THE EXTREMELY NARROW ROAD IN FRONT OF OUR HOUSE AND HAVE TO PULL OFF ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD WITH THE NEW TRAFFIC COMING FROM THESE PROPOSALS. 
          IT WOULD BE ABSOLUTE MADNESS. 
          THERE'S ALREADY SO MUCH SPEEDING AND DISREGARD FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE ON THIS ROAD. 
          THERE'S SIMPLY NO WAY THE ROAD CAN HANDLE THE TRAFFIC THAT WOULD COME ALONG WITH THIS. 
          IF IT WAS, IF IT WAS APPROVED. 
          ANOTHER THING THAT WOULD CONCERN ME IS SAFETY, WHICH HAS BEEN DISCUSSED A LOT, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT. 
          AND I THINK, UM, I MEAN, I LIKE TO RIDE MY BIKE AND LONGBOARD ON THE ROAD AND GO TO THE PARK AND ENJOY THE WEATHER AND SCENERY. 
          SOMETIMES I'LL GO AROUND TURNS AND CARS WILL BE SPEEDING, NOT EXPECTING ME TO BE AROUND THE CORNER ON MY BIKE. 
          THE SECOND YOU INVITE NEWCOMERS AND PEOPLE FROM OUT OF TOWN, THE RISK OF RECKLESS AND DRUNK DRIVING CAN DO NOTHING BUT GROW. 
          SOMETIMES PEOPLE MIGHT BE DRIVING, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE THEY'VE HAD TOO MUCH TO DRINK, BUT IT WILL HAPPEN. 
          EVEN IF THIS PROPOSAL IS PR. 
          IF THIS PROPOSAL IS APPROVED, I ASK YOU TO SEE MY POINT OF VIEW AS A YOUNG PERSON WHO WILL BE DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THIS AND TO PLEASE CONSIDER THE RISKS. 
          UM, ALSO IN MY OPINION, I WOULD MUCH RATHER HAVE HOUSES WITH NEW FAMILIES AND KIDS. 
          I CAN MEET TO COME IN. 
          PEOPLE WE MIGHT BE GOING TO CHURCH WITH, OR JUST NEW NEIGHBORS THAN I WOULD HAVING TONS OF NEWCOMERS FROM DC, MARYLAND, NOT HAVING ANY REGARD FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE, BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST GOING IN AND OUT, THEY'RE DRINKING, YOU KNOW, SPEEDING. 
          THEY DON'T CARE. 
          THAT'S JUST HOW IT'S GOING TO BE. 
          I'D MUCH RATHER HAVE FAMILIES COMING IN THAT ARE GOING TO STAY FOR LONG PERIODS OF TIME. 
          AND THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          I HAVEN'T SEEN THE OTHER HANDS. 
          SO WE'RE GOING TO SAY THAT THIS PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. 
          AND IS THERE A MOTION WELL, I'M GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION. 
          UM, I'VE HEARD EVERYBODY, AND I THINK THIS IS A, YOU KNOW, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR INCREASED REVENUE. 
          WE, I WOULD LOVE 
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TO SHARE WHAT WE HAVE WITH OTHER PEOPLE, BUT I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU. 
          MY CONCERN IS THE ROAD AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE GETTING THERE. 
          YOU KNOW, I, I BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, AND I'M JUST GOING TO THROW A SCENARIO, OKAY, WHAT IF SOMETHING IS HAPPENING AND THERE'S A FIRE. 
          AND SO OF COURSE WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE RESPONSE TIME OF, YOU KNOW, CALLING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ON THE WAY THERE'S AN ACCIDENT. 
          YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOMEONE HIT A, A DEER, YOU KNOW, I AM SORRY. 
          I I'M JUST, I'M THROWING REAL WORLD INTO THE SITUATION. 
          SO WHAT WOULD THAT CREATE? YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE SHERIFF COMING, YOU GOT THE EMS, YOU GOT FIRE AND RESCUE, YOU KNOW, AND YOU'VE GOT GRIDLOCK. 
          YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO I JUST DON'T THINK THE ROAD IS, UM, IS, IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE THIS, THE TRAFFIC AND THE RESPONSE TIMES IN ON THAT. 
          IT HAS NOTHING TO DO THAT I'M AGAINST TERRORISM. 
          I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST CAMPING. 
          IT'S I THINK WITH THE ROAD CONDITION OF GOING UP TO THAT, CAUSE I'VE BEEN OUT THERE, I'VE SEEN IT, THAT THERE'S HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUES. 
          AND I'M ONE THAT I AM, I, HOW MUCH IS IT WORTH OF SOMETHING HAPPENING? SO THAT'S MY, MY TAKE. 
          AND SO WITH THAT, UM, I MOVED AT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, DENY THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST BY EDMUND, RIGHT. 
          FOR COMMERCIAL COUNT GROUNDS. 
          IS THERE A SECOND SECOND? AND JUST TO CLARIFY, AND THAT'S FOR THE REASONS OF INADEQUATE STRUCTURE FOR ABSOLUTELY THE INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          YES. 
          THE ROAD, MR. MAVE, DID YOUR SECOND INCLUDE THAT? YES, SIR. 
          IT DID ANY DISCUSSION AT THIS POINT. 
          WELL, WE'D LIKE TO, TO SAY, UM, I'M A FARMER. 
          MY HUSBAND'S FAMILY HAS HAD A FARM FOR OVER A HUNDRED YEARS. 
          SO I DO UNDERSTAND THE PLIGHT OF THE FARMER AND THE LOVE OF THE LAND. 
          UM, AND TOURISM IS VERY VITAL DOOR AREA, EXTRA REVENUE FOR TAXES. 
          WE CAN ALWAYS USE THAT. 
          OUR JOB IS NOT, UM, NOT TO TAKE ANYTHING INTO CONSIDERATION, EXCEPT IS THIS A CONDITIONAL USE THAT IS SAFE FOR ALL INVOLVED AND FOR THOSE REASONS, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THAT I WANT IT PRESSED UPON THAT. 
          I DON'T FEEL PRESSURED BY THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE TO SPEAK AGAINST IT. 
          I KNOW THE AREA GREW UP IN THE AREA. 
          I LOVE IT. 
          I'VE LOVED YOUR FARM SINCE I WAS A KID, RODE MY BIKE BY THERE MANY, MANY TIMES. 
          UM, AND I WISH YOU WELL WITH YOUR ENDEAVORS, YOU ARE VERY PASSIONATE. 
          YOU AND PHILLIP BOTH. 
          AND I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE WHAT YOU DO. 
          ASSIGNMENT PETRIS OR STONES, THROAT, I ASSUME IS STILL THE NAME AND THE MOTEL AND ALL THE OTHER PROJECTS SHE HAVE. 
          UM, AND THIS ONE, IF THE INFRASTRUCTURE EVER GETS BUILT UP BETTER THAN IT IS, AND WE CAN ALWAYS PRAY THAT THE MONEY GOD'S SPRINKLE MONEY ON V DOT AND WE CAN GET THAT. 
          UM, BUT UNTIL THAT IS DONE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS THE MAIN CONSIDERATION FOR MY DECISION. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT BEFORE, UM, WHILE WE'RE IN THE DISCUSSION PART, THEN IF NO ONE ELSE HAS ANYTHING TO SAY, THEN ROLL CALL MRS. SHIRAKI MR. BUTLER. 
          YES. 
          BEFORE I ANSWER, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE MR. M M I ANSWERING A YES OR NO TO THE, SO THE CURRENT MOTION IS TO DENY. 
          SO IF YOU VOTE AYE, YOU ARE AFFIRMING OR DECISION TO SUPPORT THE DENIAL. 
          MADAM CHAIR. 
          I MRS. COOK I MR. MABE, RIGHT? OKAY. 
          MOTION ON THAT. 
          ONE IS 
          [A.3. Conditional Use Permit 2021-10-08, Edwin Wright for a Rural Events Facility Located at 2905 Gooney Manor Loop and Identified on Tax Map 47, as Lot 12 – Matt Wendling]
COMPLETE AND WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE SECOND CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION. 
          AND THAT ONE IS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 2021 DASH 10 DASH EIGHT, EDWIN, RIGHT. 
          FOR A RURAL EVENTS FACILITY LOCATED AT 2,905 GOONIE MANOR LOOP AND IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 47 AS LOT 12 MR. WYNN LANE. 
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UH, YES, THE OWNER HAS STATED IN LIEU OF EXERCISING, THEIR RIGHTS TO SUBDIVIDE, UH, AS A NUMBER OF OWNERS HAVE IN THE PAST 10 YEARS ON THIS ROAD, UH, HE WOULD LIKE TO ESTABLISH THIS PARTICULAR LAND USE IN ORDER TO PRESERVE SOME OF THE RURAL QUALITY OF PROPERTY THROUGH, UH, AGRITOURISM WEDDING AND OUTDOOR EDUCATIONAL EVENTS. 
          THE APPLICANT PLANS TO USE THE EXISTING BARN AND MAY CONSTRUCT AN OUTDOOR PAVILION WITH A PRIVATE AMPHITHEATER, A SMALL CAMPING SUPPLIES STORE AND PORTABLE RESTROOM AND BATHING FACILITIES IN THE FUTURE. 
          THESE WERE STATED IN HIS STATEMENT OF JUSTIFICATION RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, AGAIN V DOT HAS SUBMITTED, UH, COMMON, UH, COMMENTS TO, TO THESE, UH, APPLICATIONS. 
          AND, UM, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THEY DO SUGGEST IS THAT THE ENTRANCE LOCATION BE APPROVED PRIOR TO COUNTY CUP APPROVAL. 
          UH, THAT'S ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT THEY MAKE, UM, ALSO MENTIONED, UH, IN THE DESIGN STANDARDS OF CODE SECTION, UH, 180 41 FOR COMMERCIAL CAMP BROWNS. 
          IT'S A SEC SUBSECTION E NUMBER FOUR STATES AT SITES FOR STRUCTURES, WHICH WILL SERVE AS A COMMERCIAL CONVENIENCE CENTERS SHALL BE NO LARGER THAN 10% OF THE TOTAL COMMERCIAL CAMPGROUND OR ONE ACRE, WHICHEVER IS THE LESSER. 
          SO, UH, ALL OF THE ASSESSORY STRUCTURES RELATING TO THE PRINCIPAL USE, UM, WILL HAVE TO BE ON THAT ONE ACRE, UH, OR 10% OF, UH, UH, COMMERCIAL CAMPGROUND SIZE. 
          UM, AND WE WOULD VERIFY THAT THROUGH A SITE PLAN, UM, THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION DID VOTE TO DENY THIS APPLICATION. 
          UH, I WANT TO GO TO AFFORDED NOTHING. 
          I WILL FOREGO READING THE CONDITIONS UNLESS THE BOARD WOULD LIKE ME TO THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED JAY'S PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED. 
          THANK YOU, MR. WRIGHT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME, JUST SPEAKING ABOUT CAMPGROUNDS PERMISSIONS, THIS ONE'S THE RURAL EVENT FACILITY AT THE SAME SITE. 
          RIGHT. 
          GREAT. 
          UM, SO WE'RE ASKING YOU GUYS, UH, SAME COMMENTS FOR EDWIN, RIGHT? MY MAIN PHARMACY AT 41 51, DOING YOUR MANOR LOOP. 
          AND WE'RE ASKING YOU GUYS TO APPROVE THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. 
          UM, THIS IS ACTUALLY THE, THE PERMIT THAT HAS THE LEAST ADDITIONAL IMPACT, UM, FOR THE COMMUNITY, BUT ACTUALLY MAKES A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE FOR WHAT WE CAN DO YOU SEE MANY YEARS AGO IT WAS, UH, ASSUMED THAT A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT THINGS WERE AGRITOURISM AND PROTECTED BY VIRGINIA AGRITOURISM LAWS THAT HAVE BEEN MUCKED UP BY, UH, PEOPLE TRYING TO USE LOOPHOLES AND CHEAT THE CODE A LITTLE BIT. 
          UM, AND NOW WE NEED CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS TO DO THEM. 
          THERE ARE LOTS OF DIFFERENT THINGS WE DO IN AGRICULTURE THAT ENABLE US TO BUY RIGHT, DO A WIDE VARIETY OF EVENTS WITHOUT ANY SIZE LIMITS, WITHOUT ANY IMPACT LIMITS. 
          AND WE HAVE DONE WEDDINGS AND, UH, REUNIONS AND CONSERVATION AND PRESERVATION GROUPS. 
          AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO THOSE THINGS IN THE FUTURE. 
          WHAT THIS PARTICULAR PERMIT ENABLES US TO DO SPECIFICALLY DIFFERENT FROM OUR BI-RITE USES OF, UH, OUR FARM IS TO HOST WEDDINGS UP TO 200 PEOPLE, WEDDINGS, EVENTS, CONCERTS, THAT SORT OF THING, UM, UP TO 200 PEOPLE, INSTEAD OF 100 PEOPLE NOW, AGRITOURISM EVENTS DON'T HAVE THAT CAPACITY LIMIT ON THEM. 
          UM, AT ALL, THIS IS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE SUBSET OF EVENTS THAT USED TO BE LIKE WEDDINGS CONSIDERED IT A VERSION OF RECREATION, BUT BECAUSE, AND YOU CAN LOOK UP THE, UH, COURT CASES ABOUT THIS, WHERE, UM, DOWN IN THE TIDEWATER AREA, A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WERE TRYING TO HOST WEDDINGS AND THINGS SAYING THEY HAD LAND AND IT WAS AGRITOURISM, BUT THEY DIDN'T ACTUALLY HAVE WORKING FARM. 
          AND SO NOW, EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE A WORKING FARM, YOU NEED TO GET THESE ADDITIONAL PERMITS. 
          WE HAVE WAYS THROUGH, UM, BI-RITE USES IN AGRICULTURE TO HOST WEDDINGS UP TO A HUNDRED PEOPLE. 
          UH, AND WE WILL BE BUILDING OUT THE FACILITIES AT THIS BARN IN ORDER TO ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO HOST THE SCHOOL EVENTS AND OTHER AGRITOURISM EVENTS THAT WE ALREADY DO. 
          UH, BUT THIS PARTICULAR EVENT CENTER PERMIT IS ABOUT THIS NARROW EXPANSION OF WHAT WE ALREADY DO. 
          I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS, UM, I MIGHT ALSO THROW OUT A COUPLE OF OTHER PIECES OF INFORMATION, UM, BOTH FOR YOU GUYS ON FOR THE ROOMS. AND SO IT IS IMPORTANT. 
          UM, THERE ARE, IF YOU INCLUDE THE EXISTING RELEVANT CENTERS, THE ONE THAT WAS JUST APPROVED TONIGHT, THE VARIOUS CHURCHES ASSEMBLY HALLS, FIRE HALLS, THERE ARE DOZENS OF DIFFERENT PLACES WHERE YOU CAN DO THESE SORTS OF EVENTS AROUND THE COUNTY AND THEY, EVERYONE WHO'S TRYING TO DO THEM ARE BEING SUCCESSFUL. 
          THERE'S A BIG DEMAND FOR THIS. 
          AND NONE OF THESE PLACES ACTUALLY HAVE, ARE ASSOCIATED WITH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC MAPS, IF YOU LOOK AT ACCIDENT MAPS OR REPORTS OF DRUNK DRIVING, NONE OF THEM ARE ACTUALLY 
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THE WINERIES, THE BREWERIES, THE EVENT CENTERS AREN'T ACTUALLY ASSOCIATED WITH ANY INCREASE IN TRAFFIC LITTER, UH, DRUNK DRIVING. 
          THESE ARE CAPACITY ISSUES AND INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES WHERE IT'S A PERCEPTION PROBLEM, NOT ACTUALLY A REALITY OF THE IMPACT. 
          THESE ARE EVEN FOR THE CAMPGROUNDS, WHICH WE JUST TALKED ABOUT WITHIN 15 MILES OF WHERE WE'RE STANDING THERE MORE THAN A THOUSAND CAMPFIRE SITES AND EVEN TWO AND A HALF MILES FROM OUR SITE IN BROWNTOWN, THERE'S 166 CAMPFIRE SITES UP ON MATTHEW'S ARMS. SO I THINK A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE DEALING HERE WITH FOR THE NEGATIVE IMPACTS IS REALLY A PERCEPTION ISSUE. 
          AND IF WE LOOK AROUND THE COUNTY FOR EXAMPLES AND ACTUAL DATA OF THE ACTUAL IMPACT OF THESE, YOU GUYS WILL SEE THAT THE ACTUAL IMPACT. 
          AND WE'RE, YOU'LL, YOU'LL HEAR FROM ME REPEATEDLY OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS, AS I BRING YOU INFORMATION ABOUT THE EXISTING CONDITIONS IN THE SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT, AS WE COMPLETE SPEED STUDIES AND OTHER THINGS TO BRING INFORMATION BACK TO YOU GUYS. 
          SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE, UH, WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT THESE SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS AND DOWNTIME, BUT FOR THIS EVENT CENTER, UH, WE'RE ASKING YOU GUYS TO APPROVE IT SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY, UH, EXPAND WHAT WE CAN DO BY RIGHT. 
          A LITTLE BIT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD FOR MR. RIGHTS AT THIS TIME? SO DO YOU ANTICIPATE IN, IN, IN USING YOUR, THE, YOUR FACILITY FOR CONCERTS OR FESTIVALS OR, UH, YEAH, SO THERE, I THINK THERE'S A, THE SHORT ANSWER IS YES, BUT THERE ARE BIG BUTTS AND ALL THAT. 
          SO I THINK AGAIN, THE PERCEPTION ISSUE, AND WE'VE WORKED HARD OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS TO GET A LOT OF THIS INFORMATION OUT THERE. 
          IT IS AVAILABLE ON FACEBOOK, ON OUR WEBSITE. 
          IT HAS BEEN FOR ALMOST A DECADE ON OUR WEBSITE. 
          AND I THINK THAT I DID A BAD JOB EARLY ON IN THIS PROCESS OF REACHING OUT BEFORE ACTUALLY SUBMITTING APPLICATIONS AND GIVING SOME OF THIS INFORMATION OUT THERE. 
          I THOUGHT THAT HAVING A WEBSITE AND NOT SHUTTING UP ABOUT IT AND TALKING TO PEOPLE DOWN AT MY RESTAURANT, UM, WAS ENOUGH AND I SHOULD HAVE DONE MORE OUTREACH. 
          BUT I THINK WHEN PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT CONCERTS AND THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT CONCERTS, THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT GIANT ROCK CONCERTS IN THE FIELD, UH, NOISE POLLUTION, AND LIGHT POLLUTION AND DISRUPTION TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE ANTICIPATE AT ALL. 
          IF YOU LOOK AROUND AT THE EXAMPLES OF AN AMPHITHEATER THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE USING, UM, THESE ARE THINGS THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE AT THE ANDY GUEST PARK. 
          THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE UP IN MATTHEW'S ARM. 
          THESE ARE LIKE A LITTLE DESK WITH BENCHES GOING UP A HILL. 
          THIS ISN'T A MASSIVE CONCERT VENUE. 
          UM, THE, IF YOU WANTED AN EXAMPLE FROM THE COMMUNITY OF THE SIZE AND SCOPE AND TYPE OF CONCERTS, SO WE CONSIDER HAVING UP THERE, UM, THERE'S A GREAT FACILITY UP IN BERRYVILLE OF THE BARNS AT ROSE HILL THAT HAS AN ALMOST IDENTICAL BARN TO WHAT WE HAVE ON OUR SITE. 
          UM, AND IF WE FINISHED THE CONVERSION OF THAT BARN TO BE, TO ACTUALLY BEAT INSTEAD OF AN OLD HAY BARN, A PLACE WHERE, UH, WE CAN HAVE SCHOOL GROUPS AND CONCERTS AND THINGS UNDER COVER, THAT'S REALLY ONLY ABOUT 80 PEOPLE. 
          IF WE EXPAND ACROSS THE LANDSCAPE WITH THIS PERMIT TO BE ABLE TO, UH, DO, UH, EVENTS UP TO 200 PEOPLE, UM, ALL THESE CONDITIONS ABOUT, UH, NOISE POLLUTION STILL APPLY TO US ALL THE CONDITIONS ABOUT, UH, ROAD SAFETY, ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES, UH, COMPLETELY SLAPPED FROM THE FACT THAT FARMERS ARE ALREADY COMPLETE A WHOLE BUNCH OF LAND MANAGEMENT PLANS, FORESTRY MANAGEMENT PLANS, WILDLIFE MANAGEMENT PLANS, AND EXCESSIVE, WHAT, UH, ORDINARY LAND ORDINARY HOMEOWNERS DO. 
          UM, I THINK THE, GET BACK TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE CONCERT, UM, THESE ARE SMALL VENUE, SMALL IMPACT EVENTS. 
          THIS IS NOT MUSIC LATE AT NIGHT. 
          THIS IS NOT ROCK CONCERTS IN THE FIELD. 
          THESE ARE PRETTY SMALL EVENTS. 
          SO HOW WOULD YOU CONTROL THE ATTENDANCE? UH, SO THE VENUE, IF THE VENUE WAS PERMITTED ONLY UP TO 200 PEOPLE, UM, THEN EITHER BUY TICKETS OR, UH, MONITORING WHO IS SHOWING UP WE'RE REQUIRED TO, FOR THESE TYPES OF EVENTS, WE'D BE REQUIRED TO LIMIT IT TO THAT. 
          UM, AND SO THAT, THAT, THAT'S THE ANSWER WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO. 
          WE WILL BE HAVING SOMEBODY ON SITE BY MONITORING, BY MONITORING THE, UH, TICKET SALES AND ATTENDANCE. 
          WE CAN TURN PEOPLE AWAY. 
          NOW OUR AGRITOURISM EVENTS CAN EXCEED THIS SUMMIT, LIKE I SAID, SO WHEN WE HAVE SCHOOL GROUPS AND THINGS OUT TO ACTUALLY DO A THING ENGAGED IN ON THE FARM, UM, THAT'S A DIFFERENT SITUATION, BUT YOU WOULD STILL COMPLY TO THE TWO, UH, FOR THE BUY-RITE AGRITOURISM AND US. 
          WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO KNOW. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          THAT'S ALL. 
          SO IF YOU'RE LIMITED TO 200 PEOPLE AND I'M SETTING AN ONLINE AND DON'T REALIZE THE 200TH BIRTH SIN IS ALREADY THERE, AND THERE'S FIVE CARS AHEAD OF ME, WHAT DO YOU DO? UH, WE WOULD TURN YOU AWAY. 
          WE DON'T WANT TO RUN A FOUL OF ANY OF THE RULES THAT ARE SET UP FOR THESE PARTICULAR REASONS. 
          IF THAT'S PART OF THE RULES AND CONDITIONS, WE WILL TURN PEOPLE AWAY. 
          IF THEY'RE AN ACCESS WITH THOSE CONDITIONS IN THE SAME WAY, AS THE CAMPGROUNDS PERMITTED AS A, AS THE SAME, WE'VE HAD ALL THIS CONVERSATIONS, WE 
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ARE REQUIRED, WE WOULDN'T RISK THESE PERMITS OR ANY OF OUR USES BY EXCEEDING THESE. 
          AND I, AND I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          UM, MY CONCERN IS YOU STILL HAVE A LOT OF CARS THAT DON'T KNOW YOU'RE AT CAPACITY THAT ARE GOING TO BE THERE. 
          AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC ON THE ROAD BECAUSE THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T KNOW THAT YOU'VE ALREADY MET CAPACITY. 
          UM, SO IT'S, SIR, I HEAR YOUR CONCERN, BUT I THINK THAT FOR THESE SPECIFIC TYPES OF EVENTS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THAT THIS PERMIT APPLIES TO, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WEDDINGS AND REUNIONS AND CONCERTS, THINGS THAT HAVE A PRESCRIBED NUMBER OF PEOPLE COMING TO THEM. 
          I DON'T THINK IT ABLE TO END UP WITH AN EXTRA 10 ATTENDEES RANDOMLY STOPPING BY A WEDDING. 
          I'M NOT SAYING THAT WEDDING CRASHERS THAT A GREAT NIGHT AND REUNIONS AND PLANNED PARTIES, CONCERTS IS THE ONE THAT PROBABLY WOULD BE A LITTLE DIFFICULT. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M JUST, JUST SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S ONE THING TO SIT THERE WITH YOUR TICKET COUNTER AND SAY, OKAY, I'VE GOT TO I'M AT 200, SORRY, FOLKS, YOU CAN'T GO, BUT YOU CAN'T CONTROL THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE SITTING IN LINE THAT DIDN'T KNOW YOU'VE ALREADY MET CAPACITY. 
          AND THAT, THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHT ON, YOU KNOW, THAT I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO CUT THEM OFF INSTEAD OF SAYING, OH, WELL, NOBODY WILL NOTICE THAT WE LIT 30 MORE PEOPLE IN, RIGHT. 
          BUT 30, MORE PEOPLE ARE LINED UP OUT THERE. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S, IT CAUSES AN ISSUE WITH THE ROAD. 
          SO, SO THE TOTAL NUMBER OF VEHICLES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR ANY SORT OF EVENTS THAT INVENTS CENTER LIKE THIS, UM, BECAUSE OF THE CAPACITY LIMIT OF 200 ATTENDEES THAT TRANSLATES INTO ABOUT 80 PARKING'S 80 VEHICLES, UM, BOTH ACCORDING TO THE COUNTIES AND V DOT'S ESTIMATES. 
          SO IF THAT 80 VEHICLES PUT IN CONTEXT, I MEAN, PERCENTAGES WORK BOTH WAYS, RIGHT? UM, V TO DOT'S ESTIMATE OF A 300% INCREASE. 
          SOUNDS SCARY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A SECTION OF GLUTAMINE MANOR LOOP, BUT WHICH BY VITA MATH, OUR SMALL SECTION ONLY HAS 40 VEHICLE TRIPS A DAY. 
          OTHER SECTIONS ARE GETTING ME IN A LOOP, HAD 80 VEHICLE TRIPS A DAY, BUT THAT 300%, THAT SAME NUMBER OF 80 VEHICLES COMING TO OUR SITE. 
          BY THE TIME YOU GET, EVEN TO THE MIDDLE OF BROWNTOWN, LET ALONE ALL THE WAY DOWN BROWNTOWN ROAD. 
          AND IT'S SUCH A TINY, TINY LITTLE PERCENTAGE OF INCREASE IN THE ANNUAL VEHICLE TRIPS A DAY. 
          UM, FOR ALL OF THESE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS AT FULL CAPACITY, MANY YEARS FROM NOW, IF WE HAD GOTTEN ALL FOUR TOGETHER, BY THE TIME YOU ACTUALLY GET ALL THE WAY DOWN IN BROWNTOWN ROAD, WHEN YOU'RE TURNING ON THREE 40, YOU HAVE LESS THAN A 1% INCREASE IN ANNUAL TRAFFIC. 
          BY THE TIME YOU GET TO THE MIDDLE OF BROWNTOWN, IT'S LIKE 8%. 
          THOSE ARE FOR THE WHOLE KITTEN CABOODLE THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN EITHER ASKED TO BE TABLED OR TURNED DOWN BY YOU GUYS. 
          SO PUTTING IN PERSPECTIVE, THE ACTUAL TRAFFIC IMPACT HERE IS SO MUCH LESS THAN IT WOULD BE BY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THE SAME ACREAGE. 
          IT'S EXPONENTIALLY LESS THAN WE'LL ALREADY BE SUFFERING FROM THE OTHER HOUSES THAT ARE ALREADY GOING IN. 
          I THINK THE PREEXISTING CONDITIONS CONVERSATION THAT WILL CONTINUE HAVING A LITTLE, THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, IT WILL BE REALLY EDUCATIONAL FOR ALL OF US, BECAUSE ALL OF THE SAYING THAT THESE ROADS CAN'T HANDLE THIS CAPACITY IS MISLEADING BECAUSE IT WILL, THEY WILL. 
          AND AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY LIKE BROWNTOWN OF MY YOUTH, WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE MORE THAN TWICE AS MANY HOUSES, MORE THAN TWICE AS MANY PEOPLE IN BROWNTOWN NOW, AS WE DID WHEN I WAS A KID AND WE HAVE FEWER FULL-TIME FIREFIGHTERS AND VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTERS IN THE STATION THREE, UM, WE NEED TO DEAL WITH SOME OF THESE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS, SOME OF THESE SERVICES IMPROVEMENTS, BUT SAYING, THINKING THAT TURNING ANY OF THIS DOWN SOLVES THAT PROBLEM. 
          IT'S NOT ACCURATE. 
          THESE ACTUALLY DON'T MAKE THOSE THINGS WORSE. 
          WHAT DOES MAKE THOSE THINGS FOR US IS NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO THEM. 
          WELL, UNFETTERED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IS DESTROYING FARMS AROUND US. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'M ALSO ASKED THIS QUESTION BECAUSE I ASKED THE OTHER FELLA. 
          SO HOW WOULD YOU CONTROL PEOPLE COMING IN A BIG OLD COMMERCIAL PLACE? YOU KNOW, FOR THESE TYPES OF EVENTS, WE CAN ACTUALLY PROHIBIT THAT FROM HAPPENING ON OUR ROAD. 
          WE CAN TELL PEOPLE THAT NO, YOU CANNOT BRING A VEHICLE LIKE THAT UP TO OUR SITE. 
          UM, WHEN WE HAVE HAD OTHER TYPES OF EVENTS UP THERE, PEOPLE HAVE COME IN LIKE 15 PASSENGER VANS AND THE, LIKE THE MINI LIMO FANS, AND THOSE HAVE NO TROUBLE NAVIGATING THE ROADS UP IN BROWNTOWN. 
          WE WILL HAVE SOMEBODY THERE MYSELF OR A DESIGNATED REPRESENTATIVE FOR EVERY EVENT. 
          UM, WHEN WE GET TO A CERTAIN NUMBER OF VEHICLES, SAME AS THE OTHER EVENT CENTERS AROUND, PUT A PERSON OUT IN THE ROAD TO DIRECT TRAFFIC AND GET THE LOCALS ON PAST TO GET THE PEOPLE WHO ARE TURNING IT IN. 
          WE ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY UP THERE BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MUCH SPACE TO BRING PEOPLE OFF THE ROAD TO THE CHECK-IN STATION OR TO THE PARKING LOT, AND ACTUALLY GET THEM INTO THE SITE INSTEAD OF BACKING UP ON THE ROAD, WAITING TO TURN IN. 
          SO THOSE ARE THINGS WE HAVE CONSIDERED AND, UH, BOTH THROUGH, YOU KNOW, WORKING ON A GREAT TEAM AND ACTUALLY BEING THERE ALL THE TIME AS A, AS A LOCAL, WE CAN DEAL WITH THAT. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? YES. 
          I HAVE 
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A QUESTION FOR YOU. 
          THE, UH, UH, SO RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, BY RIGHT, YOU CAN, UH, UH, YOU CAN HAVE THE WEDDING EVENTS, UH, UP TO A HUNDRED PEOPLE THERE, BY SORRY, AHEAD. 
          THERE ARE BI-RITE USES THAT WE ARE, THAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING TOWARD FOR YEARS, THAT WOULD ENABLE US TO DO IT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WEDDINGS ARE NOT CONSIDERED AGRITOURISM ANYMORE. 
          UM, THE WINERY AND BREWERY FACILITIES THAT WE'VE BEEN PLANNING FOR MANY YEARS WOULD ENABLE US TO HAVE WEDDINGS UP TO A HUNDRED PEOPLE. 
          WE DO NOT HAVE THOSE PERMITS IN PLACE YET, BUT THOSE ARE BI-RITE USES IN THE AG DISTRICT THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN WORKING ON FOR A VERY LONG TIME. 
          BUT SO, SO RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE, YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY OF THESE, THESE THAT ARE GOING ON. 
          UH, WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF WEDDINGS, BUT THEY'VE BEEN FOR FAMILY, FRIENDS WE HAVEN'T CHARGED FOR. 
          AND THAT SEEMS TO BE THE DIFFERENCE. 
          WE CAN HAVE WEDDINGS NOW. 
          WE JUST CAN'T CHARGE FOR THEM. 
          SO WE'VE HAD, UH, FRIENDS AND FAMILY, UM, UH, FORMER COWORKERS, EMPLOYEES, AND BUSINESS PARTNERS COME AND DO WEDDINGS AND EVENTS IN TERMS OF THE AGRITOURISM EVENTS WE CAN CHARGE FOR THOSE. 
          WE CAN DO THOSE. 
          WE CAN HAVE CONSERVATION AND PRESERVATION SCHOOL GROUPS COME OUT AS LONG AS THEY'RE ACTUALLY ENGAGING WITH THE FARM AS A FARM. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND WE'RE GOING TO TRY, UM, IF YOU HAVE THE SAME COMMENTS FOR THIS ONE, AS YOU DID FOR THE PRIOR ONE, AND YOU'RE WILLING, IF YOU WOULD RAISE YOUR HAND AND STAND UP AND JUST ACKNOWLEDGE THAT. 
          AND IF YOU WANT TO BE HEARD, WE CAN DO THAT, BUT IT MIGHT MOVE THINGS CAUSE WE'VE GOT TWO MORE. 
          UM, SO IF YOU WANT TO STAND UP, SAY YOUR NAME AND , I MEAN, YOU'RE, IF, IF YOU'RE GOING TO SAY MORE, YOU'LL NEED TO SPEAK. 
          IF YOU JUST, WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW THIS ONE, BUT THEN WE'RE GOING TO GET BACK WITH, JUST RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY IT'S STILL APPLIES. 
          SO THE ONLY THING AND TO ADD TO IT, MAGGIE O'BRIAN FROM SMITH, RON ROAD WAS YOUR STORY OF REAL LIFE SITUATIONS OF WHAT, IF THERE'S A FIRE AND THEN THERE'S AN ACCIDENT. 
          I DON'T SEE HOW THAT DOES. 
          IT APPLIES IN THE SAME LOCATION, THE SAME SITUATION. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IF YOU WANT TO RAISE YOUR HAND, STAY YOUR NAME AND SAY, I FEEL THE SAME THIS TIME. 
          WE'LL DO THAT. 
          AND IF YOU HAVE THE SAME COMMENTS FOR THIS ONE, AS YOU DID FOR THE PRIOR ONE, IF YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS AND YOU WANT TO WAIT YOUR TURN, THEN WE'D ASKED THE PEOPLE THAT STAND UP WHO ARE OPPOSED TO IT AND SAY, IF THEY HAVE THE SAME COMMENTS AND THEN YOU KNOW, THOSE IN SUPPORT, OKAY. 
          THOSE OPPOSED TO HAVE THE SAME COMMENT STAND UP. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THOSE FOUR WHO HAVE THIS? WELL, TH THE OTHERS, I ASSUME, WANT TO BE HEARD AGAIN. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND AS I READ OUT THE NAMES I WAS GOING TO, I WAS GOING TO READ OUT ALL OF THE NAMES THAT ARE WRITTEN DOWN. 
          AND IF AN INDIVIDUAL HAS ALREADY INDICATED THAT THEIR COMMENTS ARE THE SAME, ALL THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO IS RAISE THEIR HAND AND SAY, THEY'RE THE SAME. 
          AND I WOULD MOVE ON TO THE NEXT NAME. 
          OKAY. 
          WE CAN DO IT THAT WAY MIGHT BE EASIER. 
          YOU GO RIGHT AHEAD. 
          BRIAN CONLEY. 
          AGAIN, BRIAN CONNOLLY, THREE 70 WESLEY LANE. 
          I'LL KEEP IT BRIEF. 
          UM, SOMEBODY SAID EARLIER THAT THIS IS THE FIRST, UH, THE FIRST REQUEST FOR AN EVENT CENTER IN THE LAST 20 THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP IN THE LAST 20 YEARS. 
          THAT WAS AN INACCURATE STATEMENT. 
          AS I RECALL, THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR AN EVENT CENTER IN BROWN, IN BROWN TOWN, A COUPLE OF YEARS BACK. 
          AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT BESIDES THE FACT THAT THE COUNTY TURNED IT DOWN BASED ON SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT I'VE BROUGHT UP HERE IS THAT ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT SPOKE OUT AGAINST IT WAS MR. WRIGHT. 
          NO, THAT WAS NOT A CAMP CROWD. 
          IT WAS AN EVENT CENTER WAS MENTIONED, BUT THANK YOU. 
          UM, AND I, I JUST WANT TO ECHO MY COMMENTS. 
          THIS IS AN INAPPROPRIATE USE FOR THIS AREA. 
          THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL AREA. 
          PEOPLE WHO ARE, WHO IN THE, UH, WERE, HAVE PURCHASED THEIR HOMES HERE BASED ON TRADITIONAL AGRICULTURAL USES AND THE EVENT CENTER, AND PARTICULARLY THE COMMENTS THAT Y'ALL JUST MADE REGARDING CONCERTS AND THINGS ARE NOT 
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TRADITIONAL AGRICULTURAL USES AS I URGE YOU TO RETURN THIS DOWN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MATT. 
          UH, CHAIRMAN, MAY I JUST ADDRESS THAT? UM, A COUPLE YEARS AGO? YES, WE DID HAVE AN APPLICATION FOR A RURAL EVENT FACILITY, UH, FOR A PROPERTY IN BROWNTOWN THAT PROPERTY OWNER DID FALL INTENSIVE PURPOSES WITHDRAW HIS APPLICATION AND THE APPLICATION FOR THE AMENDMENT FOR RURAL EVENT FACILITY IN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT. 
          SINCE THAT TIME, WE HAVE HAD A RURAL EVENT FACILITY APPLICATION APPROVED. 
          WE'RE A RURAL RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION OR A RURAL RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. 
          AND LAST YEAR, OR IT WAS LAST YEAR, UH, THE AMENDMENT TO ADD RURAL VENT RE RURAL, UH, EVENT FACILITY IN AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT WAS PASSED BY THE BOARD. 
          AND, UH, MS. SHELLEY COOK WAS APPROVED FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, THE COMMERCIAL CAMPGROUND APPLICATION. 
          UH, I THINK IT WAS 1996, LOW WATER BRIDGE. 
          UH, CAMPGROUND WAS APPROVED. 
          WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY APPLICATIONS FOR COMMERCIAL CAMPGROUNDS SINCE THAT TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          THERE ARE, THERE ARE COMMERCIAL CAMPGROUNDS IN THE COUNTY THAT HAVE BEEN HERE FOR PROBABLY AN EXCESS OF 40 YEARS. 
          AND THOSE, UH, THOSE, SOME OF THOSE LOTS ARE, UM, ZONED COMMERCIAL, UH, GOONIE MANNER OR GOONIE CREEK CAMPGROUND WAS APPROVED, I BELIEVE IN 1986 OR 88. 
          UH, AND THAT HAS BEEN HERE SINCE THEN. 
          THAT IS ZONED, UH, COMMERCIAL, UH, EXCUSE ME, ZONED AGRICULTURAL. 
          UH, SO JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT FOR YOU ABOUT KIND OF THE HISTORY OF SOME OF THE APPROVED, UH, THE APPROVAL WHEN THE AMENDMENTS FOR THAT RURAL EVENT FACILITY. 
          SO THANK YOU IS ROCKING RG, CONLEY, MARGIE CONLEY THREE 70 WESLEY LANE. 
          UM, SO I GREW UP IN WARREN COUNTY. 
          I'VE LIVED HERE ALMOST ALL MY LIFE AND, UH, MOVED AWAY AND CAME BACK BECAUSE EVERYBODY COMES HOME. 
          UM, I DID NOT GROW UP IN BROWNTOWN, SO WE MOVED TO BROWNTOWN. 
          UM, ALMOST FOUR YEARS AGO, WE CHOSE BROWNTOWN. 
          I GREW UP IN WARREN COUNTY. 
          I KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT WARREN COUNTY, WHERE TO LIVE AND WHERE NOT TO, BUT BROWN TOWN IS A UNIQUE AREA. 
          UM, I THINK THE BARN AT ROSE HILL, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THAT'S LIKE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF TOWN, IT'S A BARN AND IT'S A COMMERCIAL ENVIRONMENT. 
          THIS IS NOT, WE MOVE OUT HERE BECAUSE IT IS BEAUTIFUL. 
          IT'S PEACEFUL, IT'S SMALL BY ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES. 
          AND IT'S A COMMUNITY. 
          SO SOMEONE MENTIONED THE PARADES AND THE FESTIVALS, AND YES, WE DO HAVE THEM AND WE LOVE THEM. 
          AND OUR COMMUNITY POURS OUT AND SUPPORT THEM. 
          THE PARADE IS MOSTLY THE FIRE TRUCKS, PEOPLE WITH GREAT CARS, THE SHERIFF AND KIDS ON THEIR BICYCLES. 
          SO IT IS, THAT'S WHAT THIS IS. 
          THIS IS A COMMUNITY. 
          WE DIDN'T COME OUT HERE TO BE PART OF A COMMERCIAL ENVIRONMENT. 
          I LOVE FARMS. I HATE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT. 
          I WOULD NEVER LIVE IN ONE. 
          SO THERE HAS TO BE A BALANCE. 
          I WILL ADMIT CONCERT VENUES ARE NOT A BALANCE. 
          BROWNTOWN IS A BOWL. 
          THERE IS NOTHING THAT HAPPENS ON ONE SIDE OF THE BROWN TOWN THAT THE REST OF US DON'T HEAR ANYBODY THAT'S EVER BEEN OUT THERE AND LIVED THERE. 
          YOU KNOW THAT THE BELLS ON THE CHURCH, I LOVE THEM. 
          THE MULE AND TOM'S FIELD. 
          WHEN HE PITCHES A FIT, HE SOUNDS LIKE HE'S IN MY FRONT YARD. 
          SO, I MEAN, THESE ARE THINGS YOU LIVE WITH BECAUSE YOU'RE IN A BEAUTIFUL RURAL COMMUNITY. 
          AND THAT IS PART OF OUR COMMUNITY. 
          THE KIDS, I HEAR THEM ALL THE TIME OUT THERE RUNNING UP AND DOWN THE ROAD ON THEIR BICYCLES AND WHATEVER. 
          I DON'T WANT CONCERTS IN MY BACKYARD. 
          I DON'T WANT TO SPEND SATURDAY AFTERNOON LISTENING TO SOMEBODY ELSE'S PARTY. 
          NOW, DOES IT HAPPEN? YES, IT DOES. 
          NEIGHBORS HAVE PARTIES. 
          NEIGHBORS DON'T HAVE PARTIES. 
          EVERY WEEKEND. 
          NEIGHBORS DON'T HAVE PARTIES AND FESTIVALS THAT MAY LAST FOR DAYS EVERY WEEKEND. 
          AND I JUST, AND IT DOES HAPPEN FESTIVALS. 
          THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS YOU'LL HAVE TWO OR THREE DAY FESTIVALS. 
          SOMEBODY MENTIONED MANY WOODSTOCK. 
          DO I SEE THAT HAPPENING? NO. 
          COULD IT VERY EASILY HAPPEN? YES. 
          PEOPLE DON'T MIND HAVING A FEW DRINKS AND SLEEPING IN THEIR CARS, SHELLY ACRES. 
          I'VE BEEN THERE. 
          YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT LIKE JUST PULLING THINGS OUT OF RANDOM AIR. 
          SOME THINGS ARE GREAT IN SOME AREAS AND SOME ARE NOT, BROWNTOWN IS NOT THE AREA FOR THIS VENUE, SMALL WEDDINGS. 
          I DON'T CARE WHAT HE DOES ON THIS PROPERTY, BUT I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO HEAR EVERYTHING THAT GOES ON ON HIS PROPERTY. 
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THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, STACY. 
          MICHAEL'S GOOD EVENING. 
          UM, I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THE STATEMENTS THAT I MADE BEFORE, AS WELL AS I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THE COMMUNITY OF BROWNTOWN IS NOT INSENSITIVE. 
          UM, WE HAVE GONE OUT, WE TALKED WITH ED WHEN WE TALKED WITH PHILIP, WE HAD REALLY, REALLY GOOD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO AND WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN MOVING FORWARD. 
          AND UNFORTUNATELY, I DO FEEL LIKE EDWIN HAS KIND OF BECOME OUR PAWN, UM, BECAUSE THE ISSUES WITH EMS AND FIRE AND ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE, ALL OF THESE ISSUES ARE NOT HIS FAULT. 
          UM, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BLAME HIM, BUT THESE ARE ISSUES THAT WE CAN'T IGNORE WHEN WE'RE BRINGING MORE PEOPLE OUT HERE AND OUT IN OUR DIRECTION. 
          SO THESE ARE THINGS THAT I JUST, WE REALLY NEED TO CONSIDER. 
          AND EDWIN AND I HAD A REALLY GOOD CONVERSATION WITH ANGELA KELLER AND PHILLIP BOT. 
          UM, WE HAD A GREAT CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW AT BARE MINIMUM, THESE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS ARE BRINGING UP REALLY IMPORTANT TOPICS. 
          WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH FIRE AND EMS EQUIPMENT. 
          WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH STAFF. 
          WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH VOLUNTEERS. 
          WE DON'T HAVE A GOOD ROAD WITH SHOULDERS THAT YOU CAN EVEN PULL OFF ON. 
          UM, AND THEN TO TOP IT ALL OFF, ALL OF THESE ISSUES ARE JUST HUGE SAFETY CONCERNS. 
          FOR THOSE OF US THAT LIVE THERE, TRAVEL IT EVERY DAY. 
          THIS IS JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WANT. 
          AND IT'S NOT BECAUSE WE DON'T LIKE HIM OR HE'S NOT A GOOD PERSON, OR IT'S NOT PERSONAL. 
          IT'S NOT EMOTIONAL. 
          IT'S SIMPLY THE FACT OF SAFETY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, GARY CUSHNER, GARY CUSHNER AND FETCHIT ROAD AND BROWNTOWN. 
          BROWNTOWN IS ONE OF THE MORE SCENIC RURAL AREAS OF WARREN COUNTY WITH ITS UNIQUE PROXIMITY TO THE NATIONAL PARK. 
          MR. RICE PROPERTY IS VERY CLOSE TO THE NATIONAL PARK AND ONCE DESTROYED COULD NEVER BE RECREATED PERMITTING. 
          THE COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES PROPOSED WOULD BE NO LESS THAN KILLING A GOLDEN GOOSE. 
          YOU SHOULD CONSIDER THE FACT THAT PARTS OF BROWNTOWN WERE RECENTLY DESIGNATED AS HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT. 
          AND AS SUCH THIS COMMUNITY SHOULD RECEIVE SPECIAL PROTECTION. 
          IT'S THE HEIGHT OF HYPOCRISY THAT THIS APPLICANT STRONGLY OPPOSED. 
          A SIMILAR EVENT CENTER PROPOSED BY ANOTHER COMMUNITY RESIDENT SEVERAL YEARS AGO THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION ALSO RECOMMENDED AGAINST THE PREVIOUS APPLICANT ULTIMATELY RECOGNIZE THE BREADTH AND VALIDITY OF THE COMMUNITY'S OPPOSITION AND DEMONSTRATED GOOD JUDGMENT AND PERSONAL INTEGRITY. 
          IN MY OPINION, BY PROMPTLY WITHDRAWING THAT APPLICATION, SINCE THIS APPLICANT HAS CHOSEN TO ASK HIS BOARD TO OVERRIDE THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION, WE CAN ONLY SURMISE THAT HE HAS CHOSEN TO IGNORE THE CONCERNS OF HIS NEIGHBORS IN FAVOR OF HIS OWN INTERESTS. 
          THE APPLICANT MAY ALLEGE THAT HIS PLAN IS PERMISSIBLE AS AGRITOURISM, EXCEPT THE COMMERCIAL EVENT CENTERS AND CAMPGROUNDS CANNOT QUALIFY INDEPENDENTLY AS SUCH ACTIVITIES WHILE I'VE ALWAYS SUPPORTED LANDOWNER RIGHTS. 
          I WAS TAUGHT THAT MY RIGHTS ENDED WHERE OTHERS BEGAN APPROVING THESE PROPOSALS WOULD SAY THAT THE RIGHTS OF THE MAJORITY OF THE BROWN TOWN COMMUNITY WAS SUBSERVIENT TO THE INTEREST OF A SINGLE FAMILY. 
          FINALLY, I HOPE YOU WILL AGREE THAT A SUPERVISOR'S DUTY IS TO REPRESENT THE INTEREST OF THE COLLECTIVE AND VOTE TONIGHT TO DENY ALL OF MR WRIGHT'S APPLICATIONS. 
          AGAIN, APPROVING EVEN A SCALED BACK OR A FAILED PHASE PROPOSAL WOULD BE ALLOWING THE CAMEL'S NOSE UNDER THE TENT AND POSSIBLY PRESENTING A PRECEDENT THAT COULD HAVE DISASTROUS IMPACT IN THE FUTURE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CRUTCHFIELD. 
          THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME AGAIN. 
          UM, WE LEFT OFF WITH THE CAMPGROUND AND BASICALLY I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE NUMBER OF CARS AND THE PEOPLE COMING IN THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE. 
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WE USE VEHICLES TO FIGURE WHO COMES TO THE PARKS. 
          THEY DON'T COUNT THE NUMBER OF HEADS. 
          YOU CUT THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES. 
          EVERY VEHICLE HOLDS FOUR PEOPLE. 
          SO TO GET 200 PEOPLE TO COME INTO AN EVENT CENTER, DIVIDE THAT BY FOUR, THAT TELLS YOU HOW MANY CARS IT CAME TO FOR THAT ONE EVENT. 
          AND IF YOU GUYS TWO EVENTS A DAY, IF HE DOES THAT, THAT'S ANOTHER SERIES OF CARS COMING IN. 
          ANOTHER FAMILY HERE JUST TALKED ABOUT THE RURAL ROADS PROJECT. 
          THEY HAD FOUR GUNMEN AND LOOP, BUT 80, $80, 80, 80 CARS FOR THAT THEY'RE RIGHT THERE THAT TELLS YOU RIGHT THERE, THAT THE ROAD IS NOT LARGE ENOUGH FOR THE EVENTS THAT IT'S GOING TO BE UNSAFE TO HAVE THAT MANY CARS COMING UP WITH. 
          NOW, I'M NOT AGAINST MR. WRIGHT HAVING A WAY TO MAKE MONEY FOR HIS FARM. 
          BUT I THINK THE EVENT CENTERS, THE WRONG IDEA, I THINK THE WRONG NUMBER, THAT MANY CARS COMING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S GOING TO BE WRONG. 
          THERE'S GOING TO BE COMING THROUGH BROWN TOWNS AND BE COMING THROUGH ALL THE SIDE ROADS. 
          WE WON'T HAVE ENOUGH FOR THE PEOPLE LIVING HERE. 
          WE'RE GOING TO BE ENDANGERED BY PEOPLE COMING IN HERE. 
          THAT'S WHAT I THINK. 
          NOW HE WILL HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION. 
          I'M CERTAIN OF THIS, BUT THAT'S MY TAKE ON THE NUMBER OF THE VEHICLES COMING IN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          JOHN LEAH HAYNES, JOHN LANE, SEVEN 20 FETCHIT ROAD, BENTONVILLE, VIRGINIA. 
          I AM A PROPONENT OF SOHN BEING ABLE TO USE THEIR PROPERTY FOR WHAT THEY WANT AS WELL, AS LONG AS IT ADHERES TO THE MAKEUP. 
          YES, BUT AS LONG AS THAT HERE'S TO THE MAKEUP OF THE COMMUNITY WITHIN REASON VENTURES, THAT WOULD NOT ALTER THE WAY PEOPLE LIVE AND GO ABOUT THEIR DAILY BUSINESS IN REACTION TO COMMENTS AND PASS. 
          YES, WE NEED BUSINESSES, BUT BUSINESS THAT FIT THE MAKEUP OF OUR COMMUNITY. 
          YOU CANNOT MAKE BLANKET STATEMENTS AND SAY, IF SOMETHING IS APPROVED ELSEWHERE, IT SHOULD BE APPROVED HERE. 
          THE SPECIAL QUALITIES BEING THE TERRAIN OF WHERE WE LIVE, AND WE CANNOT HELP THAT WE LIVE OFF BROWNTOWN ROAD. 
          IT'S A DANGEROUS ROAD. 
          AND THESE PROPOSALS ARE BEING PLACED OFF OF GUNEY MANOR LOOP, WHICH IS ANOTHER DANGEROUS ROAD. 
          IT WILL NOT SUSTAIN THE NUMBERS. 
          AND IF THAT'S THE SPIRIT WE SHOULD HAVE, WE SHOULD BUILD WHATEVER WE WANT. 
          AND THERE WOULD BE NO NEED FOR HEARINGS AT ALL. 
          I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD TO MARIANNE'S STATEMENT EARLIER THAT WE HAVE EVENT CENTERS, THEY ARE CALLED THE ISAAC WALTON LEAGUE AND OUR OWN COMMUNITY CENTER TO FURTHER ADD TO OUR STATEMENT. 
          COMMERCIAL MEANS MAKING OR INTENDING TO MAKE A PROFIT. 
          IT IS COMMERCIAL COMMERCIAL. 
          DOESN'T JUST REFER TO STRIP MALLS AND FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS IN REGARDS TO THE EVENT CENTER. 
          MY CONCERN STILL SANT STILL STAND, BUT EXACERBATED, NOT ONLY THE INFLUX OF UP TO 200 INDIVIDUALS WITH SUPPORTIVE STAFF AS WELL. 
          WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT PHOTOGRAPHERS, CATERS, VIDEOGRAPHERS, DJS ASSISTANCE, ET CETERA. 
          SURE. 
          THERE ARE OTHER CAMPSITES WITHIN THE AREA, BUT THEY ARE RUN BY THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE WHO HAVE ACTUAL EXPERIENCE RUNNING A CAMP SITE. 
          YOU CAN ANTICIPATE THIS AND THAT, AND EVERYTHING LOOKS GOOD ON PAPER, BUT WHEN THE, OF RUNNING A BUSINESS ACTUALLY COMES TO SURFACE, YOU WILL FIND OUT YOU COULD NOT HAVE ANTICIPATED ANYTHING, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH PEOPLE. 
          I REQUEST TO OPPOSE THIS WEDDING AND EVENT CENTER FOR THE SAME AS THE CAMPSITE MULTIPLIED BY 10 LACK OF EXPERIENCE, LACK OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE ROADS, LACK OF EMERGENCY SERVICES AND MANPOWER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, KEN, FOR LONG UH, KEN FOR A LONG 7 71 WILLIAM VINCENT ROAD. 
          UH, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME, ESPECIALLY SINCE YOU KNEW WHERE YOU WERE IN FOR A LONG ONE TONIGHT, UH, BUY RIGHT DEVELOPMENT OF HOUSES ON THIS LAND, UH, HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP SEVERAL TIMES. 
          I AGREE THAT WOULD NOT BE MY FIRST CHOICE, BUT IT WOULD BE STRONGLY PREFERABLE TO THIS OPTION, UH, WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS IT'S ALLOWED BY, RIGHT? IT'S LESS DESTRUCTIVE IN EVERY WAY TO THE COMMUNITY, THEN THESE PROPOSALS, WHICH IS WHY THEY REQUIRE SPECIAL PERMISSION. 
          UH, ALL OF MY CONCERNS ABOUT THE CAMPGROUND, UH, APPLY TO THIS AS WELL WITH THE ADDITION OF THE SURGE DEMAND, AT LEAST WITH A CAMPGROUND THAT TRAFFIC MIGHT BE SPREAD OUT A LITTLE BIT WITH AN EVENT CENTER, ALL OF THE TRAFFIC WILL HAPPEN AT EXACTLY THE SAME TIME, UH, REGARDLESS OF THE EXACT ESTIMATE OF CARS, WHETHER IT'S 80 OR 120 OR 300, PUTTING THEM ON GOONIE MAN OR LUCA AT THE SAME TIME WOULD BE INCREDIBLY DANGEROUS. 
          UM, EXCUSE ME, IN ADDITION TO THE NATURE OF THE PROJECTS, UH, THE, UM, I BELIEVE THE FACT THAT, UH, ALCOHOL WOULD BE ALLOWED GUARANTEES THAT THE CONDITIONS WOULD BE EVEN MORE DANGEROUS THAN WITH, UH, THE CAMPGROUND PROPOSAL, UM, REGARDING AGRITOURISM TECHNICAL DEFINITIONS ASIDE, UH, THE COLLOQUIAL COMMON SENSE, MEANING OF AGRITOURISM DOES NOT TYPICALLY INCLUDE CONCERTS AND WEDDINGS. 
          UM, AND LASTLY, THIS IS, UM, EXCUSE ME, THIS IS 
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A DIFFERENT, UH, PROPOSAL FROM IS, UH, MR. I'S, UH, PROPOSAL, UH, EARLIER IN THE EVENING IN THAT HIS COMMUNITY WAS IN FAVOR OF IT WHILE THIS COMMUNITY IS OPPOSED TO IT. 
          AND THAT IS A LEGITIMATE INPUT FOR NON BI-RITE PROPOSALS. 
          UH, IF THIS WERE A BUY RIGHT PROPOSAL, I AGREE IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE POPULAR VOTE OR THE COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION, BUT GIVEN THE NON BI-RITE NATURE OF THIS, THAT IS A LEGITIMATE INPUT AND I THINK SHOULD BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MARY CHENERY HI. 
          THANKS MARY. 
          JANUARY SIX, 18 CREST HAVEN COURT. 
          NOT THAT ANYBODY ASKED ME TO SOLVE ANY PROBLEMS TONIGHT, BUT IT FEELS LIKE THE CONCERN ABOUT, UM, TICKETS FOR CONCERTS WOULD HAVE 10 PEOPLE OR 10 CARS ARE LOOKING FOR EXTRA TICKETS AND THEY'RE ALL SOLD OUT. 
          IT FEELS LIKE THAT COULD BE VERY EASILY TAKEN CARE OF IF TICKETS WERE SOLD ONLINE AND THEN PEOPLE KNOW WHEN THE SHOW IS SOLD OUT AND THAT DOESN'T BECOME A CONCERN FOR EXTRA TRAFFIC. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MARIANNE THOMAS MARIANNE THOMAS 4 5 5 1 BENTONVILLE ROAD. 
          UM, I JUST WANT TO FINISH WHAT I SAID BEFORE. 
          THERE'S THE VERY EXCITING WAYS YOU CAN DO AGRITOURISM. 
          I IMPLORE A ONE, RIGHT TO PLAYS. 
          LOOK AT THOSE. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO BE INVOLVED WITH THOSE. 
          AND WHEN SOMEONE ELSE IN OUR BACKYARD, KAYLEE RICHARDSON, WHO BELIEVE WAS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS ONE HAS ANOTHER BEAUTIFUL EXAMPLE. 
          NOW I WANT TO GO MOVE TO THIS EVENT CENTER. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE SAFETY, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW WE DON'T HAVE ADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE SAFETY FOR EXISTING HOMES AND EXISTING. 
          UM, WHAT WE HAVE NOW IN THE BROWNTOWN BENTONVILLE AREA, IT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME TO OPEN SOMETHING THAT WE'LL HAVE 200 PEOPLE OCCUPANCY PLUS STAFFING, AND THEN FIX THE INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          AND LET ME GO BACK TO GOONIE MANOR LOOP. 
          THERE ARE MANY SPOTS ON THE LOOP WHERE ONLY ONE CAR CAN PASS. 
          SOMEONE'S GOT TO GET OVER OUR BACKUP. 
          ALL RIGHT, SAY YOU HAVE PEOPLE COMING TO AN EVENT. 
          THE MAIN WAY TO GO IS THROUGH BROWNTOWN, BUT THEY MAY GO IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE ON BENTONVILLE ROAD AND TAKE THE BACK WAY UP THE LOOP. 
          WHAT IF PEOPLE GET LOST? THEY DON'T SEE THE RIGHT THE RIGHT PLACE. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW GOOD SIGNAGE IS GOING TO BE. 
          PEOPLE ARE GATHERING. 
          THEY'RE LOOKING AROUND. 
          IT'S BEAUTIFUL. 
          WHAT IF YOU GET TO SPOTS, PEOPLE AREN'T PAYING ATTENTION, AND THEN THEY'RE TRYING TO BACK UP. 
          WHAT IF YOU HAVE VEHICLES COMING IN THAT ARE BRINGING SUPPLIES. 
          THESE ARE NOT GOING TO BE SMALL VEHICLES. 
          THEY'RE GOING TO BE SMALL TRUCKS. 
          HOW DO, AND THEN YOU HAVE A LINE OF PEOPLE TRYING TO PULL IN. 
          EDWIN IS SAYING THAT, OH, I CAN HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO PULL IN. 
          I DON'T SEE THAT. 
          NOW I WALK THE LOOP PROBABLY ONCE OR TWICE A WEEK. 
          THE WHOLE LOOP. 
          THERE ARE NOT SEVERAL PLACES AT THIS GIVEN MOMENT WHERE PEOPLE CAN, CAN GET IN. 
          I DON'T BELIEVE IN PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE. 
          IF YOU WANT TO APPROVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS, THEN YOU REALLY NEED TO HAVE ALL YOUR DUCKS IN A ROW BEFORE YOU PRESENT IT TO A BOARD LIKE THIS. 
          UM, I FORGET WHAT ELSE I WANTED TO SAY, BUT THAT'S IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANGELA KELLER, ANGELA KELLER 5 6 7 1 GOONIE MANOR LOOP. 
          UM, I FIRST WANTED TO START OFF BY LOOKING AT THE COMMISSION'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN THE WARREN COUNTY. 
          UM, THE ZONING CODE AND SPECIFICALLY THE PLAN STATES AND THAT WHEN DEVELOPING RECREATION FACILITIES, THE COMMISSION MUST ENSURE THAT THE EXISTING RESIDENT'S NEEDS ARE MET FIRST. 
          AND I FEEL THAT YOU HEARD US ON THE FIRST PROPOSAL. 
          UM, AND SO THAT'S IN THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY PART PART NINE AT PAGE NINE, PART TWO AT PAGE NINE. 
          AND SO THE COMMUNITY COMMENTS ABOUT THESE PROPOSALS SHOULD BE ONE OF THE FIRST PRIORITIES ACCORDING TO THE COMMISSION'S PLAN. 
          UM, AND THE, THE CODE ALSO SAYS THAT THE COMMISSION SHOULD APPROVE THE EXPANSION OF LAND USES THAT WILL BE DEVELOPED WITH ADEQUATE POLICE AND FIRE PROTECTION. 
          UM, AND SO I, I GUESS WHAT THIS IS, CAN, CAN, IT COULD BE GUARANTEED OUR SAFETY THAT EMERGENCY RESPONDERS CAN GET TO US IN TIME. 
          UM, WE LIVE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LOOP. 
          AND EVEN THOUGH WE'RE IN AN AREA WHERE IT'S A LITTLE MORE OPEN THAN UP AROUND THE LOOP, I'M SURE YOU ALL DROVE ON THIS ROAD AND, OR HAVE BEEN ON IT HOPEFULLY RECENTLY. 
          UM, BUT IN FRONT OF OUR HOME WHERE IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE OPEN. 
          WE CAN SIT ON OUR FRONT PORCH AND THERE ARE CONSTANTLY CARS SITTING HERE, ONE SITTING HERE AND THEY WAVED THE OTHER ONE THROUGH TO GO PAST OUR HOUSE. 
          AND SO THAT'S IN THE WIDE OPEN, OPEN AREA AND WITH A BABY AT HOME AND WITH TEENAGERS, WALKING DOGS AND CONSTANTLY PEDESTRIANS. 
          I MEAN, THERE ARE PEOPLE IN FRONT OF HER. 
          WE DON'T GET ANYTHING 
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DONE BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE WALKING AND RIDING THEIR BIKES IN FRONT OF OUR HOUSE, WHICH IS WONDERFUL. 
          UM, BUT I GUESS I WANT YOU TO IMAGINE ON THE LOOP, IMAGINE IF THERE WERE AN EMERGENCY OR EVEN IF THERE WAS A FIRE AND IT WASN'T CAUSED BY THESE PROPOSALS IN THIS, ON THIS PROPERTY OR SOMEWHERE ELSE. 
          AND THERE ARE PEOPLE UP THERE AND AN EVENT AND THERE 200 PEOPLE EVENT CAPACITY, AND THEY SEE THAT THERE IS A FIRE THAT MAGINE THE CHAOS AND WHAT PEOPLE WOULD DO IT WOULD BECOME, UM, CHAOTIC AND THE ROAD WOULD BE COMPLETELY PLUGGED. 
          THOSE SPOTS, VARIOUS SPOTS, ESPECIALLY IN THE ONES WHERE IT'S VERY NARROW AND YOU CAN'T EVEN GET BY WITHOUT PULLING OVER. 
          THERE ARE MANY OF THOSE ON THE LOOP. 
          UM, SPEAKING ABOUT THE, UM, IN REGARDS TO THE FIRE AND EMT RESPONSE TO THE AREA, BROWNTOWN ITSELF HAS ONLY AN UNMANNED VOLUNTEER SUBSTATION THAT CURRENTLY HAS A TOTAL OF ONE VOLUNTEER AND ONE AGING BRUSH TRUCK INADEQUATE TO, TO ANY, BUT A SMALL BRUSH, ANYTHING BUT A SMALL BRUSH FIRE, THE FIRE STATION ON THREE 40, UM, WHICH IS OUR DESIGNATED STATION HAS ONLY TWO PAID FIREFIGHTERS FIREFIGHTERS. 
          AND IF THEY ARE ON CALL, OBVIOUSLY, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY MIGHT NOT BE AVAILABLE EVEN IF AVAILABLE THERE. 
          IN FACT THAT THE TRUCKS MIGHT EITHER PASS OVER THE, YOU KNOW, THE RAILROAD CROSSINGS OVER THERE, WHICH TWICE A DAY OR MORE, I'M NOT, I CAN'T, I'M NOT QUITE SURE ON THAT, UM, THAT THEY STOP, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC IN THOSE SPOTS. 
          AND SO YOU PUT ALL THAT TIME AND SPACE IN BETWEEN RESPONSE TIMES AND, AND THE RESIDENTS ARE, ARE TRULY CONCERNED IF THEY'RE IN THE TOP OF THE LOOP AND THEY CALL AND THEY NEED SOMEONE TO COME HELP THEM. 
          AND THERE ARE SO, SO MANY MORE PEOPLE AT VARIOUS TIMES ON THE ROAD THERE, THEY, THEY WANT TO KNOW THAT THEY'RE SAFE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, JAMES KELLER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WILLIAM BARNETT, WILLIAM BARNETT, 1115 BUCK MOUNTAIN ROAD BENTONVILLE. 
          EARLIER THIS EVENING, YOU APPROVED A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR AN EVENTS CENTER ON A RURAL GRAVEL ROAD WITH NO WITH NO GOOD ACCESS TO FIRE AND RESCUE AND WITH NO, AND WITHOUT ADEQUATE, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE FACILITIES AROUND THE ONLY DIFFERENCE THAT I HAVE SEEN IN THAT REQUEST, AND THIS REQUEST IS THE, IS THE NEIGHBOR'S REACTION TO IT. 
          AND OF COURSE YOU SAID EARLIER THAT YOU, UH, HIS COLORS, YOU'RE NOT, THAT'S NOT YOUR BIG CONSIDERATION IS WHAT THE IS, HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE SPEAKING BEFORE OR AGAINST THE MERITS OF THIS PROJECT. 
          IF YOU, SINCE YOU VOTED UNANIMOUSLY FOR THAT EARLIER PROJECT THIS EVENING, I DON'T REALLY SEE THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN THAT ONE. 
          AND THIS PROJECT THEY'RE BOTH HAVE INADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT THEY'RE BOTH EVENT CENTERS, RORY EVENT CENTERS, AND PEOPLE WHO GO TO RURAL EVENTS EXPECT THE EVENT TO BE RURAL AND TO BE ON SMALL NARROW ROADS. 
          AND THERE WILL NOT BE, THERE WILL NOT BE A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND, AND, UH, IT TAKES A WHILE TO GET FIRE AND RESCUE THERE JUST AS IT DOES TO MY HOUSE. 
          UH, I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER THIS IN THE SAME LIGHT THAT YOU DID THE EARLIER REQUEST THIS EVENING AND, AND NOT BE SWAYED BY THE VOLUME OF THE END COMPASSION OF THE SPEAKERS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, PHILLIP  PHILLIP VAUGHT, 1, 2, 4 LURAY AVENUE. 
          I'D LIKE YOU TO KEEP THE, UH, SAYING FARM LAND LOST AS FARM LAND LOST FOREVER BECAUSE THAT'S A REAL THING. 
          WHAT YOU HAVE HERE IS A FARMER WHO IS ASKING FOR A USE THAT PRESERVES THE OPEN SPACE OF GUNEY MANOR LOOP WITH VERY LITTLE TO NO PHYSICAL IMPACT ON THE LAND. 
          HE HAS OFFERED A STAGED APPROACH. 
          WE'RE SEEING IS BELIEVING IF ANY OF THE CONDITIONS THAT YOU ALL ARE AFRAID OF EMERGE, THE COUNTY IS UNDER NO OBLIGATION TO ALLOW EXPANSION. 
          THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN RECEPTIVE TO EVERY CONDITION AND EVEN PUBLIC OPINION. 
          AND DESPITE THE CON, DESPITE HIS CONCESSIONS TO LIMIT THE APPLICATION TO HALF OF ITS ORIGINAL NUMBERS, THAT'S NOT ENOUGH AT EVERY TURN. 
          MR. WRIGHT HAS BEEN OPEN, HONEST AND WELL PREPARED TO ANSWER ANY AND ALL CONCERNS, DESPITE THAT IT'S NOT ENOUGH. 
          SO BECAUSE EDWIN WON'T RESORT TO THE SCARE TACTICS THAT MANY OF THOSE HERE AND IN THOSE LETTERS HAVE RESORTED TO, WITH ALL THESE NUMBERS BEING THROWN AROUND SCARING PEOPLE ABOUT 300% INCREASES AND EXPONENTIAL FIGURES, INCLUDING THE NUMBERS. 
          WHO'VE SIGNED PETITIONS AGAINST THIS APPLICATION. 
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HERE'S A REAL SCARY NUMBER BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF LAND FOR JUST THIS ONE FAMILY FARM, IF DENIED ALTERNATIVE USES COULD EASILY BECOME 100 NEW HOUSES BUY RIGHT, WITHOUT A HEARING OR EVEN AN APPLICATION. 
          AND THAT'S NOT CONSIDERING THE POTENTIAL FOR A CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT THAT COULD RESULT IN OVER 200 HOUSES. 
          BUT AS I SAID BEFORE, I'M GOING TO GO POSITIVE. 
          WE'RE GOING TO SHIFT TO THE POSITIVE THINGS THAT I'VE SEEN AND HOPE TO CONTINUE, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO MAKE THIS, THIS COMMUNITY BETTER. 
          ALTHOUGH PERHAPS WE SHOULD MAKE SOME OF THESE PROJECTS EASIER TO GOOGLE SO THAT SOME OF THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO HAVE ONLY BEEN HERE SINCE 2018 CAN ACTUALLY GET THEIR FACTS STRAIGHT WITH ALL DUE RESPECT. 
          SOME OF US DIDN'T ESCAPE NOVA TO COME OUT HERE AND ENJOY THE LAND THAT OUR ANCESTORS HAVE STEWARDED FOR GENERATIONS, AND THAT WE CONTINUE TO PROTECT. 
          I'M GLAD THAT EVERYBODY'S ENJOYING THE OPEN SPACE, THE PRISTINE WOODLANDS AND THE VIEW SHEDS. 
          FORTUNATELY, MR. WRIGHT AND I ARE COMMITTED TO PRESERVING THIS PLACE FOR US ALL TO ENJOY. 
          AND THE NATURE OF THIS APPLICATION IS DONE WITH THE INTENTION TO DO EXACTLY THAT. 
          AS I SAID BEFORE, FARM LAND LOST AS FARM LAND LOSS FOREVER, AND NOT ALL LARGE LANDOWNERS CAN COMMIT TO DOING THE SAME PRESERVATION AND CONSERVATION THAT WE ARE, ESPECIALLY WHEN THIS PROCESS IS, HAS BEEN SHOWN TO BE SO DIFFICULT. 
          AND THE PROCESS AND PROCEDURE IS SO LOPSIDED AS TO HAVE PIG, ALMOST THE EXACT SAME APPLICATION, BE VOTED ON UNIT UNANIMOUSLY TO APPROVE. 
          AND THEN WE NEED TO REMEMBER THE CONSISTENCY OF THAT WHEN YOU GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE AGAIN HERE IN ABOUT 10 MINUTES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MATT. 
          I'M SURE THERE'S NO ONE ELSE SIGNED UP FOR THIS PUBLIC HEARING. 
          SHANNON FELLER. 
          OOH. 
          DID I TURN IT OFF? NO, NO. 
          SHANNON. 
          VALLOR 2, 2, 5 CLOUD STREET. 
          SO THIS IS THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING OR BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING THAT I'VE EVER ATTENDED. 
          AND I WAS REALLY HOPING THAT IT WOULD RESTORE MY FAITH IN OUR GOVERNMENT HERE AND YOUR SEATS. 
          IF THIS BOARD BELIEVES THAT TRAFFIC WILL FAIL OUR SAFETY INFRASTRUCTURE SYSTEM, YOU ARE FAILING EVERY SINGLE CITIZEN IN THIS ROOM. 
          IF TRAFFIC WILL CAUSE PEOPLE TO DIE AS A RESULT OF FIRE AND EMS AND POLICE NOT BEING ABLE TO GET TO THEM, YOU AS THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ARE FAILING EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THIS ROOM. 
          AND THE ONLY WAY THAT THAT MONEY ARRIVES TO THIS COUNTY IS THROUGH WHAT ANYBODY TAXES, RIGHT. 
          AND THAT COMES FROM REVENUE. 
          SO YOU'RE IMPEDING THE PROGRESS TO SAFETY. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND HOW IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM THAT MAKES ANY SENSE AT ALL WHATSOEVER. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYONE ELSE LIKED TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? I MADE NETS THIS TIME. 
          ANYHOW, SHERYL LINGUISTS, UM, THE TRASH ON THE ROAD THAT I'VE NOTICED IS USUALLY FROM THE TRASH TRUCKS, GOING TO THE DUMP, FLYING OUT, UM, ORCHARDS AND VINEYARDS. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT THEY HAVE LIMITED NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT THEY CAN HAVE VISITING THEM. 
          SO IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN TO ONE IN THE FALL, THERE'S HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF CARS AND PEOPLE. 
          OKAY, GOOD GUYS. 
          LET'S RESPECT EACH OTHER, PLEASE. 
          UM, VINEYARDS, YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT WATER. 
          YOU OUGHT TO REALLY BE LOOKING AT THE CHEMICALS THAT ARE BEING USED IN VINEYARDS. 
          UM, MY HUSBAND HAD TO USE A HAZMAT SUIT WHEN HE SPRAY CHEMICALS IN THE VINEYARDS. 
          IT'S A VERY BIG CONCERN. 
          YOU JUST DON'T KNOW IT YET. 
          UM, AGAIN, I SWEAR TO GOD, I DON'T KNOW WHY THESE PEOPLE LIVING ON THIS DANGEROUS ROAD AND CHILL IT AND THEIR CHILDREN RIDE BIKES OUT THERE. 
          I'LL NOT UNDERSTAND THAT I'M CAMPSITES ARE RUN BY PROFESSIONALS. 
          A LADY SAID NO, ACTUALLY EXPERIENCED PEOPLE DO NOT RUN THOSE CAMPSITES BECAUSE I WAS APPROVED TO BE ABLE TO RUN ONE. 
          UM, THERE, I, UH, I EXPECT THAT THERE ARE LESS NEIGHBORS AND MR. THE OTHER MAN'S, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD THAN THERE ARE IN EDWARDS, WHICH IS WHY THEY'RE MORE VOCAL AT THIS POINT. 
          I THINK 
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THE ALL NEEDS SOME MILK FOR ALL THE EMERGENCY, THE FINGER AMPUTATION AND STUFF THAT THEY NEED. 
          UM, LET ME SEE, MR. BURNETT. 
          I LOVE YOU. 
          I LOVE YOU. 
          UM, AND EVERY LOCAL KNOWS NOT TO BE ON THE DAMN ROAD IN THE FALL. 
          YOU KNOW, WE JUST KNOW THAT WE KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR ROADS, BUT I HOPE THEY KEEP THEIR CHILDREN SAFE AND HAVE ENOUGH MILK. 
          LAST CALL. 
          OKAY. 
          PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED. 
          IS THERE A MOTION? I MENTIONED THE PROCEDURE ALLOWS FOR PUBLIC MEMBER TO, UH, TO HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE. 
          SO I'M MAKING A MOTION TO APPROVE. 
          NO, YOU, NO, YOU DON'T. 
          I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT'S AT A PUBLIC HEARINGS OR GOOD TRIAL LAWYERS HERE. 
          IT'S A GOOD TRY. 
          IT'S LATE. 
          IT'S IT'S LATE. 
          WELL, WE'LL ALLOW YOU ONE I'M CHAIRMAN. 
          YES, SIR. 
          DID I MAKE A COMMENT? THE, UH, OF ONE OF THE GENTLEMEN WHO, WHO CAME UP AND, AND WAS SPEAKING, UH, SAID THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY WHEN YOU HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING LIKE THIS, IF IT IS A, IF IT'S, IF IT'S AGRICULTURAL AND IT'S BY RIGHT THEN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE INDIVIDUAL CAN DO WHATEVER HE WANTS, AS LONG AS IT'S WITHIN THE, THE, UH, YOU KNOW, BY RIGHT FOR THE, FOR THAT, UH, THAT PARTICULAR ZONING. 
          BUT AS SOON AS HE WANTS TO GO STEP OUTSIDE OF THAT, THAT'S WHERE HIS NEIGHBORS DO HAVE INPUT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S, UH, A, UH, UH, A CONSIDERATION OF, OF, YOU KNOW, IS IT SAFE OR IS IT JUST SOMETHING THAT THEY FLAT DON'T WANT IN THEIR COMMUNITY? THEY'VE GOT TO SAY IN THAT. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THESE PUBLIC HEARINGS. 
          SO THE, UH, I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M COMING FROM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS THERE A MOTION, PUBLIC HEARINGS CLOSED IT'S PUBLICLY EARNINGS CLOSE. 
          YES, SIR. 
          MADAM CHAIR, I MOVED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THE NOD THAT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST OF EDMUND, RIGHT. 
          FOR THE RURAL EVENT FACILITY. 
          AND I CONTINUE TO, UM, UH, BE OPPOSED BECAUSE OF THE ROADS, BECAUSE OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE, BECAUSE OF, UM, BECAUSE OF THE, UH, WHITE LIGHT PROBLEMS THAT HAVE THE POTENTIAL THERE AND MEANING OTHER REASONS THAT WE'VE BEEN GOING OVER ALL, IT'S ALL BEEN, IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND, THE MOTION AND DISCUSSION. 
          NO. 
          I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COUPLE OF POINTS AS, AS WE'VE BEEN MENTIONING ROADS AND I, I TRIED MY BEST TO DO MY DUE DILIGENCE. 
          AND, UM, SO I WENT UP AND I MEASURED THE ROAD IN QUITE A FEW AREAS, AND IT'S UNFORTUNATE. 
          THE WHOLE GOONIE MANOR LOOP IS NOT, UM, AS IT IS FROM FETCHIT ROAD TO THE CHURCH, WHICH I WILL SAY, UM, EVEN COLD SPRINGS CHURCHES, I GOT MARRIED THERE IN 1976, CHILD BROAD. 
          UM, BUT IT, YOU KNOW, SO I DO, I DO, I LOVE THE AREA. 
          AND, UM, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND HIS FALLINGS. 
          AND SO I MEASURED THE ROAD AND IT VARIES, UH, RIGHT THERE AT YOUR ENTRANCE. 
          IT VARIED FROM 10 FEET TO 10 FEET, FOUR INCHES, OTHER AREAS OF THE ROAD YOU WERE DOING GOOD. 
          IF YOU COULD GET EIGHT AND A HALF, NINE FEET, A NORMAL CAR CAN BE ANYWHERE FROM FIVE FOOT, FOUR FEET WIDE TO NINE FEET WIDE, A VAN, EIGHT FEET WIDE, A TRACTOR EIGHT AND A HALF FEET WIDE TO 10 FEET. 
          SO WHEN I SAY I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE ROAD, IT'S BECAUSE THERE ARE PLACES ON THAT ROAD. 
          YOU MEET SOMEBODY, SOMEBODY HAS GOT TO GIVE, AND THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE KIND OF UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THEN THERE'S PLACES THAT THERE'S JUST, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF AREA, EVEN TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO, TO GIVE AND YOU HAVE TO BACK 
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UP. 
          UM, AND I GRANT YOU THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING THAT PEOPLE THAT COME HERE FROM OUT OF THE AREA ARE POOR DRIVERS OR THAT ANY OF THEM DRANK. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE EITHER ON GOONIE, MANNY, OR LUPE TO HESITATE, AND MAYBE NOT KNOW WHAT TO DO WHEN YOU COME HEAD ON WITH A FARM TRACTOR, WITH ROUND BALE OF HAY ON IT, WHOSE VISIBILITY MAY NOT BE A HUNDRED PERCENT BECAUSE OF THAT ROUND BALE OF HAY. 
          AND THIS OTHER CAR COMES PLOWING UP. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN I SAY THE INFRASTRUCTURE CONCERNS ME, THOSE ARE MY REASONS. 
          AND AGAIN, IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME HOW MANY PEOPLE BROW BEAT ME OVER ANYTHING. 
          I'M PRETTY STUBBORN. 
          I GO WITH MY OWN FEELINGS ON THINGS, AND SAFETY IS THE ISSUE HERE. 
          AND LIKE I SAID BEFORE, IF THAT ROAD GETS IMPROVED IN, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT SAYS YOU CAN NEVER BRING THIS BACK IN THE FUTURE. 
          IF FOR SOME REASON THAT ROAD DOES GET IMPROVED TO WHERE THIS WOULDN'T BE SUCH AN IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND, UM, AND AS THE YOUNG LADY SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU GET A FIRE EVENT WHERE PEOPLE PANIC AND THEY'RE ALL ON THAT ROAD THAT VARIES IN THAT SMALL WITH . 
          IT IS A THING OF CONCERN THEN THAT FALLS BACK TO US BECAUSE WE DIDN'T TAKE THE TIME TO CONSIDER THAT AND MAKE THE RIGHT JUDGMENT. 
          UM, SO I, I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THOSE ARE THE REASONS, AND, AND THERE, AGAIN, AS A FARMER, I FEEL YOUR PLIGHT WE'RE, WE'RE THE SAME THING. 
          MY FAMILY SOLD OFF 500, SOME ACRES TO THE STATE PARK BECAUSE HE DIDN'T WANT TO SEE IT DEVELOPED. 
          HE GAVE PROPERTY TO IMPROVE INDIAN HOLLOW ROAD BECAUSE PEOPLE ACROSS THE RIVER HAD THINGS THEY WANTED TO DO. 
          UM, MR. HUFFMAN'S FAMILY WANTED TO DO TURKEY FARM WITHOUT INDIAN AND IMPROVED. 
          IT WOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED. 
          THE INFRASTRUCTURE WASN'T THERE TO SUPPORT IT. 
          UM, SO JUST BECAUSE INDIAN HALA WAS PICKED PATH AT ONE TIME, IT'S BETTER NOW. 
          AND THOSE THINGS WERE ABLE, SO THERE IS HOPE THAT GOOEY MANOR LOOP MAY IMPROVE TO WHERE THIS CAN BE BROUGHT BACK. 
          AND IT'S NOT SUCH AN IMPACT, BUT YOU KNOW, FOR NOW WE'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          AND IF THERE'S NO MORE DISCUSSION, MR. BUTLER, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? IF NOT, MRS. SHIRAKI ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          MR. MABE, MRS. COOK, MADAM CHAIR. 
          I MR. BUTLER, 
          [Items A.4. & A.5.]
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. 
          YES, SIR. 
          WOW. 
          MR. ROY HAD SENT TO US ON JANUARY 10TH MICROPHONE ON JANUARY 10TH. 
          MR. WRIGHT SENT US A NOTE. 
          UM, BASICALLY A LETTER SAID TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, HE WOULD WISH TO TABLE THE NEXT TWO. 
          UM, UH, CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS. 
          I'M WONDERING HOW LONG HE WOULD LIKE TO PUT THOSE OUT BEFORE HE BRINGS THEM FORWARD AGAIN. 
          SO WE CAN, UM, ATTEMPT TO, UH, PUT A DATE TO THESE REQUESTS, SIR, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE JUST TABLING THEM. 
          UM, DO, DO WE HAVE TO HONOR THAT TABLE, OR CAN WE TAKE A VOTE ON THESE TONIGHT? HOW DOES THAT WORK? APPLICANT CAN WITHDRAW THEIR REQUEST AND THEY HAVEN'T REQUESTED TO DO THAT. 
          UM, YOU CAN TABLE IT IF YOU WANT TO, YOU ARE NOT COMPELLED TO, YOU CAN TAKE ACTION TONIGHT. 
          UM, IF YOU DO TABLE IT, I THINK YOU'D PROBABLY NEED TO RE ADVERTISE IT. 
          AND OF COURSE, YOU'VE GOT A BUNCH OF PEOPLE HERE THAT WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT. 
          AND WHAT YOU COULD HEAR DO IS, IS LISTEN TO THE COMMENTS AND THEN TABLE THE DECISION. 
          UM, BUT YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO DO ANYTHING YOU CAN ACT TO APPROVE OR DENY THIS IRRESPECTIVE OF WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED OF YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THIS WOULD NOT NEED TO GO BACK TO A FULL PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVAL OF WHATEVER CHANGES THIS WOULD COME DIRECTLY BACK TO US, MR. WINDLEY IT WOULD, BUT IT WOULD COME BACK TO YOU. 
          YES. 
          IF YOU TABLED IT, I BELIEVE THAT, UH, WE WOULD, AGAIN, THE PUBLIC HEARING WOULD BE CLOSED AND FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, I WANT TO JUST MENTION, UH, AND THIS IS FROM, UH, MR. WRIGHT'S LETTER, W THE REASON WHY HE'S DOING THIS IS THEY'VE CONTACTED A GROUP OF TRAFFIC ENGINEERS TO COME, UH, COME AND COMPLETE AT THEIR COSTS. 
          A SERIES OF SPEED STUDIES AT THIS LOCATION, 
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AND SEVERAL OTHER LOCATIONS AROUND BROWNTOWN, BUT THESE STUDIES WON'T BE COMPLETED UNTIL LATE WINTER OR EARLY SPRING. 
          WE WILL BRING THE RESULTS BACK TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO HELP ADVOCATE TO V DOT FOR REDUCED SPEED LIMITS AND OTHER SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS AROUND OUR COMMUNITY. 
          THIS IS TIED TO THE COMMENTS THAT V THAT SUBMITTED FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE. 
          UM, THEY STATE THAT THE EXISTING ENTRANCE OF WELLSPRING ROAD DOES NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PROPOSED USE, INCLUDING MINIMUM SITE DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS. 
          AND THE PAVED ENTRANCE WILL NEED TO BE INSTALLED ON ROUTE 6 31 BY THE OWNER THAT WILL MEET V THAT'S MINIMUM AGRITOURISM STANDARDS AND OBTAIN THE MINIMUM THAT 390 DEGREES OF SIGHT DISTANCE IN BOTH DIRECTIONS. 
          HOPEFULLY IF HE DOES GO AHEAD WITH THESE TRAFFIC STUDIES, MAYBE THAT WILL PROVIDE A MORE ACCURATE, UH, DATA FOR VIDA TO MAKE THEIR DETERMINATION. 
          I WILL, I WILL STATE THAT MR. WRIGHT HAT UNDERSTANDS THAT IT'S NOT AN ADEQUATE ENTRANCE AND THAT HE HAS, UH, IS WORKING TO ADDRESS THAT BY USING HIS FA AN ENTRANCE SITE AT HIS FAMILY FARM TO GO UP, UH, AND PROVIDE ESSENTIALLY AN EASEMENT THROUGH THE FAMILY FARM TO THE, TO HIS SISTER'S FARM, UH, THAT THE NEXT TWO APPLICATIONS ARE FOR THAT HUNTER A HUNDRED ACRE PARCEL. 
          SO, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR ALL INTENSIVE PURPOSES, IT'S FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. 
          IF THE BOARD CHOOSES TO TABLE IT AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING, AFTER THEY'VE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, AND THEN I GUESS WE WOULD RESCHEDULE, UH, AT SOME POINT IN TIME WHEN THAT, WHEN THAT DATA IS RECEIVED AND MAYBE WHEN B DOT HAS ADDITIONAL COMMENTS BASED ON THAT DATA, THEY ADD SOMETHING TO THIS. 
          WELL, ONE QUESTION, AND THEN I'LL GET, WOULD THAT BE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING JUST LIKE THIS BEFORE US, OR JUST A DECISION BECAUSE WE HEARD COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC TONIGHT. 
          MR. HAM, JUST ON THAT ONE, I DON'T WANT TO GIVE YOU INCORRECT INFORMATION WHEN YOU'RE DONE. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, NO, I MEAN, YOU SORT OF DEFACTO, YOU'LL PROBABLY HAVE PEOPLE SHOW UP AT THE NEXT MEETING IN PUBLIC COMMENTS AND WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU'VE HAD YOUR ADVERTISED PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH IS WHAT THIS IS, IT CAN BE DEFERRED TO LATER WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS AGAIN, MADAM CHAIR. 
          YES, SIR. 
          FROM WHAT I HEARD, MR. WIDLEEN SAYING ABOUT HAVING A STUDY DONE, ET CETERA, THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE THE RULES. 
          AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE RULES, YOU DEFINITELY NEED TO DO SO BEFORE YOU HAVE THE HEARING, RATHER THAN AFTER. 
          AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO SEND IT BACK AND RESCHEDULE, OTHERWISE YOU NEED TO PROCEED AND FINISH THIS ONE. 
          AND THEN IF THEY DO A V.STUDY, LET THEM MAKE A NEW APPLICATION, BUT YOU CAN'T, YOU DON'T WANT TO CHANGE THE RULES IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS APPLICATION. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE, WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE CORRECT PROCESS. 
          AND, UM, SO, OKAY. 
          SO WOULD IT BE BETTER FOR IT, US TO TABLE IT NOW? I MEAN, I, I WOULD, I THINK WITH THE PEOPLE HERE, UM, IT'S, IT'S ALMOST BEST TO GET IT DONE. 
          I DON'T WANT TO ENTER, YOU KNOW, CAUSE, UH, ISSUE WITH YOU FEELING LIKE YOU DIDN'T GET YOUR ADEQUATE PROCESS. 
          UM, SO THAT'S GOING TO BE SEVERAL MONTHS. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'VE HEARD. 
          SO IT REALLY NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT AS A, UH, NEW NEW EVENT FOR YOU TO DISCUSS. 
          AND YOU MAY EVEN WANT TO, IF YOU DENY IT, IF YOU DON'T DENY IT, THEN YOU'D WANT TO AT LEAST SEND IT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO REVIEW AGAIN, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO CHANGE, YOU'RE GOING TO CHANGE. 
          AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THE PERMIT IS CHANGING TO THE EXTENT MORE THAN WHAT YOU DID WITH THE ONES WE VOTED ON TONIGHT. 
          UM, AND I, I WANT IT TO BE IN FAIRNESS TO YOU AND TO PEOPLE THAT HAVE COME OUT FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS AS WELL. 
          SO, UM, SO I WOULD, YOU KNOW, I'LL DEFER TO YOU AT THIS POINT FOR YOUR COMMENTS OR, WELL, UH, AN IMPORTANT THING TO NOTE HERE, UH, IN ADDITION TO TRYING TO BE RESPONSIVE TO, UH, COMMUNITY INPUT, I WANT TO SAY, THANK YOU. 
          DO YOU GUYS, FOR LISTENING TO ALL THESE COMMENTS AND TO EVERYBODY HERE WHO'S SHOWN UP, ESPECIALLY THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY TOOK THE TIME TO ACCEPT OUR INVITATION AND SHOW UP FOR A PERSONAL CONVERSATION AND SEE WHAT WE WERE DOING FOR THEMSELVES. 
          THAT'S REALLY MADE A POSITIVE DIFFERENCE IN THE LAST COUPLE MONTHS. 
          AND THIS HAS ACTUALLY BEEN AN EXTRAORDINARILY POSITIVE EXPERIENCE FOR US. 
          AND I'M REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO CONTINUING THIS CONVERSATION ON THE FUTURE. 
          THE PROBLEM WITH, WITH THESE TWO PERMITS 
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IS THAT V DOT ASSUMED, I THINK COMPLETELY REASONABLY THAT THE SPEED LIMIT ON COONEY MARITAL LOOP COULDN'T POSSIBLY BE MORE THAN 35 MILES AN HOUR, BUT THIS IS THE SECTION WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE WHERE IT'S UNPOSTED. 
          AND BECAUSE IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, N 25 WITHOUT A NEW SPEED LIMIT, IT ACTUALLY GOES UP TO 55 MILES AN HOUR. 
          AND THAT MEANS THAT, UH, WE ACTUALLY NEEDED ALMOST TWICE AS MUCH SITE DISTANCE AS THEY SPECIFIED IN THEIR ORIGINAL COMMENT LETTER. 
          AND THERE IS NOT A SECTION OF GOONIE MANOR LOOP THERE, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE SEVERAL MILES OF ROAD FRONTAGE ALONG GOODY MEN LOOP, THERE IS NOT A PLACE OTHER THAN THE, WHERE WE ALREADY HAVE OUR EXISTING ENTRANCE FOR THE FARM IN THAT STRETCH, WHERE WE COULD PUT ANOTHER ENTRANCE AT THE MOMENT FOR THESE PROJECTS, WHICH MEANS THAT WE ARE GOING TO PUT THESE PROJECTS ON HOLD. 
          AND WHETHER THAT MEANS TABLING THIS AND SENDING IT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR ADDITIONAL COMMENT OR WITHDRAWING THESE APPLICATIONS FOR NOW, I'M OPEN TO YOUR ADVICE ON THAT BECAUSE WE CAN'T PROCEED WITH WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO THERE SINCE WE'RE, WE DON'T WANT TO USE THE EXISTING ENTRANCE TO MY SISTER'S PROPERTY. 
          CAUSE IT REALLY IS TOO STEEP. 
          IT'S ALMOST TOO STEEP, EVEN FOR SOME OF THE HOUSES, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE SEEN THE IMPOSSIBLE DRIVEWAY IT'S BEING. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          WE WOULDN'T WANT TO USE IT FOR HER. 
          SO EVEN IN THE CASE WHERE, YOU KNOW, SHE IS STILL QUITE, SHE, HER DAUGHTER, UH, HAS A HIGH FEVER AND COVID TONIGHT, OR SHE'D BE HERE, UM, ANSWERING SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS. 
          BUT, UM, EVEN IN THE CASE WHERE SHE'S STILL 25 YEARS FROM RETIREMENT, IF SHE EVER WANTED TO LIVE UP THERE PERSONALLY, IT'S STILL A WAYS AWAY. 
          UM, SO EVEN FOR THAT, WE NEED TO PUT IN ANOTHER ENTRANCE, I'M OPEN TO OPTIONS FOR TABLING AT SENDING BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WE WANT TO GET THESE SPEED STUDIES DONE FOR THE COMMUNITY. 
          WE WANT TO GET THEM DONE, UM, AT SEVERAL DIFFERENT LOCATIONS TO ADD TO THE DATA SINCE, UM, A LOT OF THE DATA WE'VE GOTTEN FROM THE COUNTY AND V DOT HAS HELPED US ESTABLISH WHAT THE ACTUAL IMPACT WOULD BE ON NUMBER OF VEHICLES AND THE PERCENTAGE INCREASES AT DIFFERENT POINTS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. 
          THERE'S NOT GOOD INFORMATION ABOUT, UH, SPEEDS THAT WE CAN COME BACK. 
          AND WHEN I WAS TALKING TO VIDOT ABOUT IT, THEY SUGGESTED THAT THE VERY FIRST STEP IN GETTING ANY OF THESE SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ROAD WIDENING SPEED, LIMIT DECREASES EVEN ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE. 
          THE VERY FIRST STEP TO THAT IS GETTING THIS DATA AND THEN COMING TO YOU GUYS AND HAVING YOU ADVOCATE TO THEM FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING. 
          SINCE WE REALLY CAN'T DO MUCH ABOUT IT LOCALLY AS A COMMUNITY WITHOUT COMING TO YOU GUYS FIRST. 
          SO I, UM, I, I'M WILLING TO TAKE SOME, TAKE SOME, UH, FEEDBACK HERE ABOUT HOW, WHAT THE BEST WAY TO PROCEED IS SINCE THE INFORMATION WE GET HERE WOULD REALLY DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN EVEN PUT AN ENTRANCE THERE ANYWHERE ELSE. 
          AND WE'RE GOING TO HIT PAUSE ON THESE TWO APPLICATIONS ENTIRELY UNTIL WE ACTUALLY GET THAT INFORMATION, WHICH COULD BE MANY MONTHS DEPENDING ON THE BACKUP. 
          BUT THEN IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU NEED TO WITHDRAW YOUR CURRENT AND REAPPLY, CORRECT WHEN YOU HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          SO I WILL LEAVE THAT UP TO YOU. 
          WE CAN EITHER GO AHEAD AND HAVE THE WHOLE PUBLIC HEARING AND VOTE ON IT AS WE DID THE FIRST TWO, OR IF YOU WANT TO WITHDRAW YOUR PERMIT ENTIRELY AND RESUBMIT, YOU KNOW, I'LL LEAVE THAT TO YOU. 
          WELL, AND SINCE THERE ARE MULTIPLE FACETS THERE AND WE WILL BE REQUESTING UPDATED INFORMATION FROM THE DOT THE WILL IMPACT THE PROCESS. 
          UM, I THINK THAT THE STRATEGY THERE IS TO WITHDRAW THESE TWO APPLICATIONS FOR NOW. 
          AND WHEN WE HAVE THIS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, COME BACK TO THE COMMUNITY AND TO PLANNING STAFF TO YOU GUYS WITH EITHER THE SAME OR SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT VERSION OF APPLICATIONS WHEN WE'RE READY TO PROCEED. 
          SO YOU WANT TO WITHDRAW THIS ONE AND CONDITIONAL PERMIT, 2021 DASH 10 DASH 10 FOR THE RURAL EVENTS FACILITY LOCATED OFF WELLSPRINGS ROAD IDENTIFIED ON MAP 44 IS LOT 25. 
          YES. 
          WITHDRAWALS. 
          I'M WONDERING, WITHDRAW BOTH OF THEM. 
          AND I'LL, I'LL BRING MORE INFORMATION BACK TO YOU ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, WHETHER, WHETHER WE REAPPLY IN THE FUTURE OR DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, I'LL BRING THAT INFORMATION TO YOU ONCE WE HAVE IT. 
          BUT YES, FOR NOW I THINK WITHDRAWN BOTH THESE APPLICATIONS IS CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO AT THIS POINT WE WILL TURN YOU BACK OVER TO MR. WINLAND AND I GUESS AT THIS POINT THE PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE DONE. 
          I THINK THE MEETING'S DONE. 
          THEY'RE JUST WITHDRAWAL, RIGHT? SO YOU'RE MEETING TO OBSERVE. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU GUYS VERY MUCH. 
          IS THERE A MOTION? YES. 
          IF I COULD MAKE RECOMMENDATION AND THAT'S THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, I, AND THE COMMENT WAS MADE WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU APPROVED AND ANOTHER ONE, WELL THAT'S BECAUSE THAT ONE HAD THE COMMUNITY SUPPORT. 
          SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT, UH, THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, SOCIALIZE THIS WITH THE PEOPLE IN, IN THE, THE COMMUNITY AND SEE IF YOU CAN GET THEIR SUPPORT. 
          AND IF, IF, IF YOU GOT THEIR SUPPORT, YOU GOT MY SUPPORT, BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE THEIR SUPPORT, YOU DON'T HAVE MY SUPPORT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. 
          NO, AND I WANT TO THANK EVERY 
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WELL, WE NEED A MOTION TO ADJOURN. 
          SECOND. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. 
          AYE. 
          I DO THANK EVERYONE FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT. 
          YOU GUYS, UM, WERE VERY GRACIOUS AND RESPECTFUL AND I APPRECIATE THAT EVERYONE HAVE A SAFE TRIP HOME.
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