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OVER AND WE WILL START THE WORK SESSION.AND I APOLOGIZE, MR. CARTER, UM, WE'LL HAVE THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION SIX YEAR PLAN.
UH, IF, IF YOU, IF MIGHT, I WOULD LIKE TO,
[B. Discussion – Rockland Road Project – Taryn Logan]
UH, INTRODUCE THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE ROCKLAND ROAD OVER FIVE BRIDGE AND LET HER GO BEFORE ME AS SHE HAS A, A LONG DRIVE BACK.SHE SOME PROJECT MANAGER FOR THAT.
SHE'S GOING TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF OVERVIEW AND TALK ABOUT THE PIECE OF RIGHT AWAY THAT WE WOULD LIKE FOR THE COUNTY TO DONATE AND PARTNERSHIP WITH THIS.
UM, I'M LIZ JORDAN, I'M THE BEAT-UP PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE GRADE SEPARATION PROJECT AT ROCKLIN ROAD.
I'M HERE WITH ED CARTER TO FORMALLY REQUEST THE DONATION OF 1.515 ACRES OF LAND FROM WARREN COUNTY'S ROCKLIN PARK FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PROJECT.
AS YOU KNOW, THE PURPOSE OF THIS PROJECT IS TO CREATE A GRADE SEPARATION AT ROUTE 6 58, WHICH IS ROCKLIN ROAD AND THE NORFOLK SOUTHERN RAILROAD TRACKS NEAR THE VIRGINIA INLAND PORT IN FRONT ROYAL.
THE GRADE SEPARATION WOULD CONSIST OF A BRIDGE 220 FEET LONG AND 42 FEET WIDE WITH A MINIMUM VERTICAL CLEARANCE OF 23 FEET.
THE TYPICAL SECTION WOULD CONSIST OF TWO 12 FOOT TRAVEL LANES AND TWO EIGHT FOOT PAVED SHOULDERS.
THE BRIDGE WOULD BE TALL ENOUGH FOR DOUBLE STACKED FREIGHT CONTAINERS TO PASS UNDERNEATH AND WIDE ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE A FUTURE.
THE BRIDGE WOULD BE A THREE SPAN STRUCTURE WITH ONE ABUTMENT ON EITHER SIDE OF THE NORFOLK SOUTHERN RAILROAD RIGHT AWAY, AND WITH TWO SOLID WALL PIERS LOCATED WITHIN IT, THE SUPERSTRUCTURE WOULD BE MADE OF CONTINUOUS STEEL PLATE GIRDERS OR BEAMS WITH A COMPOSITE REINFORCED CONCRETE DECK.
IT WOULD BE JOINT LISTS TO ENHANCE ITS SERVICE LIFE WITH MINIMAL FUTURE MAINTENANCE COSTS.
IMPROVEMENTS ARE ALSO PLANNED FOR THE ROADWAY APPROACHES ON ROUTE 6 58, AS WELL AS ROUTE 7 0 5, WHICH WAS FISHNET BOULEVARD.
ROUTE 6 58 WOULD BE SHIFTED SLIGHTLY NORTH OF ITS EXISTING ALIGNMENT TO ACCOMMODATE THE BRIDGE AND IMPROVE SIGHT DISTANCE.
THE ALIGNMENT OF ROUTE 705 AND THE ENTRANCES TO ROCKLAND PARK AND THE VIRGINIA HILLS CHURCH WOULD BE SHIFTED TO THE EAST OF THEIR CURRENT LOCATIONS TO ACCOMMODATE A RIGHT TURN LANE INTO THE PARK.
IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THIS GRADE CHANGE REQUIRED BY THE BRIDGE ON ROUTE 6 58, ROUTE 705 WOULD BE BUILT UP SUBSTANTIALLY ON PHIL, POSSIBLY AS MUCH AS 16 FEET AT ITS INTERSECTION WITH ROUTE 6 58, IN ADDITION AND IMPROVED ENTRANCE AND ACCESS ROAD WOULD BE PROVIDED TO THE NATURAL GAS FACILITY.
THE ALLEGHENY POWER SERVICE ROAD WOULD BE A REALIGNED.
THE EXISTING GRAVEL PARK PARKING LOT IN ROCKLAND PARK WOULD BE REPLACED IN KIND AND TWO WATER QUANTITY.
BASINS WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED FOR THE PROJECT IN THE EXISTING CONDITION.
VEHICLES ARE STOPPED HERE MULTIPLE TIMES PER DAY FOR INDEFINITE PERIODS OF TIME.
AND IN 2019, ROUTE 6 58 HAD AN AVERAGE DAILY TRAFFIC COUNT OF 2,200 VEHICLES PER DAY.
AND BY THE DESIGN YEAR OF 2046, THE ESTIMATED AVERAGE DAILY TRAFFIC VOLUME WOULD BE 5,990 VEHICLES PER DAY, BY PROVIDING A GRADE SEPARATED CROSSING OVER THE RAILROAD TRACKS, THE PROJECT WOULD ELIMINATE THE WAIT TIME FOR THESE VEHICLES THEREBY GREATLY IMPROVING THE RELIABILITY OF THIS ROUTE FOR WARREN COUNTY RESIDENTS AND ESPECIALLY THE ROCKLAND PARK USERS.
SO WHEN IT COMES TO BUDGET, THE TOTAL PROJECT COST ESTIMATE IS $27,853,856.
AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING BACK AND FORTH THROUGH THIS ESTIMATE QUITE A BIT IN THE PAST FEW MONTHS, THE PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING COSTS, WHICH INCLUDE ALL OF THE DESIGN AND THE STUDIES THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, UM, TO, TO GET TO, TO THE, THE, THE DESIGN, UM, THAT WERE PLANS WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW, UM, IS 2 MILLION, $291,000, 16, THE RIGHT OF WAY COSTS ARE 2,000,900, $5,613.
AND THEN THE CONSTRUCTION COST IS JUST UNDER 20 MILLION.
UM, AND AS YOU KNOW, THIS PROJECT WAS, UH, PARTIALLY FUNDED BY A BUILD GRANT THAT WAS AWARDED TO THE VIRGINIA PORT AUTHORITY BY THE NATIONAL MARITIME ADMINISTRATION.
AND THAT BUILD GRANT WAS $15,000,500 OR $500,000.
SO THAT MEANS THAT THE NEARLY 12 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLAR FUNDING GAP THAT'S CURRENTLY PROGRAMMED IN THE SIX YEAR PLAN HAS TO BE PAID FOR, WITH BONDS OR STATE FUNDS.
SO IN SHORT WHAT'S HAPPENED HERE IS, UM, WHEN THE PORT AUTHORITY, UH, SUBMITTED THEIR GRANT PROPOSAL TO THE NATIONAL MARITIME ADMINISTRATION, THEY ESTIMATED THE COST OF EVERYTHING, INCLUDING THE PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING, WHICH WOULD BE THE DESIGN, THE RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION AND CONSTRUCTION
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TO BE AT $15 MILLION.SO IT WAS RIGHT AT THAT BILL GRANT AMOUNT.
UM, BUT AS WE'VE DESIGNED THE PROJECT, THAT'S WELL IN ADVANCE OF REALLY KNOWING WHAT THE CONDITIONS WOULD BE ON THE GROUND, WHAT THE CONSTRAINTS OF THE PROJECT MIGHT BE AND WHAT IT WOULD COST TO BUILD THE PROJECT.
UM, WE'VE BEEN WORKING BACK AND FORTH WITH OUR DESIGNERS TO FIGURE OUT, UM, WHAT, WHAT IT WILL ENTAIL.
AND WE'RE ABLE TO COME UP WITH THE ACTUAL COST ESTIMATE OF AGAIN, THE $27 MILLION.
SO IT'S, IT'S INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY.
UM, AND PART OF THAT, AGAIN COMES FROM A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE PROJECT WILL TAKE TO BUILD.
UM, AND IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA, IT'S FLAT RIGHT NOW, BUT WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY BUILD TWO MOUNTAINS OUT THERE TO GET THAT BRIDGE UP OVER THE RAILROAD TRACKS.
AND AS I SAID, UM, THOSE IT'S GOING TO BE TALL ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE DOUBLE STACK, UM, FREIGHT CARS, WHICH IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT AND ALSO ACCOMMODATE THAT THIRD, UH, RAILROAD TRACK.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE, UM, SOME DESIGN CONSTRAINTS ENVIRONMENTALLY OUT THERE IS A SINKHOLE AT THE TOP OF THE ROCKLAND PARK, AND THERE'S A PROTECTED FEDERAL THERE THAT MADISON CAVE, I SUPPOSE.
SO WE HAD TO BUILD A RETAINER RETAINING WALL TO AVOID THAT, UM, THAT AREA AND KEEP OUR DESIGN OFF OF THAT ST.
COULTER TO PROTECT THAT WE ALSO HAVE HIGH VOLTAGE TRANSMISSION LINES THAT ARE OUT THERE.
SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE THREADING A NEEDLE, TRYING TO GET AROUND THAT SINKHOLE AND THEN STAYING WITH THE CLEARANCE, YOU KNOW, BELOW WHERE THOSE HIGH VOLTAGE TRANSMISSION LINES ARE.
SO THE DESIGNERS HAVE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB TRYING TO GET THAT PROJECT WHERE IT IS.
UM, AND THEN AS I SAID, GOING THROUGH THE COSTS OF EVERYTHING, IT'S A SIGNIFICANT BORROW JOB.
SO ALL THAT FIELD HAS TO BE BROUGHT IN AND THAT'S A BIG BULK OF THE CONSTRUCTION COST RIGHT NOW ARE ACTUALLY THE GEO-TECHNICAL MATERIALS WORK IN SUPPORT OF THAT DEMONSTRATED THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF FILL.
IT'S REALLY VERY COMPLICATED, UM, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO GET NOT ONLY THE MOUNDS FOR THE BRIDGE TO BE BUILT OVER THE RAILROAD TRACKS, BUT ALSO PROFICIENT AT BOULEVARD TO KEEP THAT AT GRADE WITH, UM, ROCKLIN ROAD AND THEN BRING IT ALL BACK DOWN, UM, IN A PRETTY SHORT SPACE.
SO IT'S A VERY COMPLICATED PROJECT.
IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT WOULD BE, BUT IT IS, UM, IN A VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE PROJECT, UM, BECAUSE OF THE BUILD GRANT AGREEMENT, THIS PROJECT IS ON A TIGHT AND INFLEXIBLE SCHEDULE.
AND SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE PORT.
I ACTUALLY MEET WITH, UM, THE PORT AUTHORITY EVERY OTHER WEEK.
UM, BARBARA NELSON, WHO IS THEIR VICE PRESIDENT FOR GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS, AND TRANSPORTATION IS ON THAT CALL EVERY OTHER WEEK.
AND WE GO THROUGH A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT WE ARE TETHERED TO A REALLY TIGHT DEADLINE AND THESE SCHEDULED MILESTONES.
SO THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS PROJECT WAS ACTUALLY HELD ON JUNE 21ST, UH, 2021.
UM, IT WAS A VIRTUAL PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE OF COVID.
UM, WE WERE ONLINE AND AVAILABLE WITH PRESENTATION.
UH, IT WAS TWO HOURS, UM, FOR, FOR THE PUBLIC AND WE DID HAVE SOME GOOD INTERACTION.
AND I ALSO RECEIVED SOME COMMENTS ON BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND AFTERWARDS, UM, PEOPLE MOSTLY IN SUPPORT OF, OF THE PROJECT, THERE REALLY WERE ONLY ABOUT TWO OR THREE COMMENTS EXPRESSED ON THE IMMEDIATE PROPERTY OWNER, UM, WAS QUITE HAPPY TO HAVE THIS FRIDGE CAUSE IT WOULD ALLEVIATE, UM, THE, THE, THE UNRELIABILITY OF HIS ROUTE AND MAKE THINGS MUCH MORE, UM, ACCESSIBLE FOR HIM AS, YOU KNOW, AS HE WAS COMING AND GOING.
SO THERE WAS NO MAJOR OPPOSITION TO THE PROJECT, UH, AT LEAST NOT THAT I RECEIVED.
SO THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS JUNE 21ST, 2021, THE FIELD INSPECTION PLANS, WHICH MARK ABOUT 75% DESIGN COMPLETION.
UM, JUST ARRIVED IN MY INBOX ON FRIDAY.
SO THEY'RE THERE, I'LL BE LOOKING THROUGH THOSE, BUT SO WE'RE, WE'RE PRETTY FAR IN PROJECT DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THE RIGHT OF WAY AUTHORIZATION IS, UH, THE SUMMER, JUNE 30TH, 2022.
WE'RE GOING TO BE ADVERTISING THE PROJECT, UM, JUNE 30TH, 2023.
UM, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO AWARD THE CONTRACT AROUND DECEMBER 15TH, 2023, AND THEN THE CONSTRUCTION HAS TO BE COMPLETED, UM, NOVEMBER 18TH, 2025.
SO IT'S ABOUT 18 MONTHS OF CONSTRUCTION AND AGAIN, A REAL TIGHT TIMELINE FOR DEALING WITH A PRETTY COMPLICATED PROJECT.
UM, SO I KIND OF WENT THROUGH SOME OF THE, THE PROJECT ELEMENTS UP HERE IS A, A PUBLIC HEARING DISPLAY, WHICH SHOWS THE FULL PROJECT, UM, ACROSS, YOU KNOW, SORT OF, UH, AN AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH THERE.
UM, IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARD TO SEE PROBABLY FROM WHERE YOU'RE SITTING, BUT, UM, TARYN WAS VERY KIND AND INCLUDED A COPY IN THE PACKET THAT SHE DISTRIBUTED TO YOU.
SO IT'S THERE, BUT I CAN JUST SHOW YOU BRIEFLY, UM, WHAT WE'VE GOT.
UM, THIS IS THE WESTERN END OF THE PROJECT HERE.
AND WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS THE EXISTING CONFIGURATION HERE, WHICH IS ABOUT 6 58 OR ROCK COMING THROUGH HERE.
AND THERE'S SUFFICIENT BOULEVARD IN HERE.
I'M SORRY, THERE'S A BOULEVARD IN HERE.
UM, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO IS SHIFT THE ALIGNMENT OF, OF ROCKLIN ROAD SLIGHTLY TO THE NORTH, KIND OF GETS SORT OF A BIT OF THIS PER PIER, BUT WILL BE ALLOTTED OVER HERE.
THE BRIDGE WILL BE CONSTRUCTED OVER THE RAILROAD TRACKS HERE OR PUSHING THE ENTRANCE TO ROCKLIN PARK FURTHER TO THE EAST THAT'S OVER HERE.
AND THIS IS IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THAT RIGHT TURN LANE, SUFFICIENT BOULEVARD STOOD UP, PUSH THIS WAY.
THIS IS THAT SINKHOLE THAT WAS TALKING ABOUT THE NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO, AND WE'RE GOING TO BRING FISHNET BOULEVARD BACK OVER HERE.
UM, THIS IS A NEW ENTRANCE FOR THE ALLEGHENY SERVICE
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ROAD THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE, UM, DOWNLOADED AND MOVE.SO THAT'S COMING OVER HERE OR IMPACT A PARKING LOT.
THAT'S THE EXISTING PARKING LOTS THERE.
SO WE'RE BRINGING IT BACK DOWN OVER HERE AND REPLACING IT IN PINES.
UM, WE'RE ALSO, UH, REDOING THIS ENTRANCE OVER HERE TO THIS, UM, NATURAL GAS FACILITY.
SO THIS IS WHAT'S BEING SHOWN HERE.
DO YOU WANT TO TRANSCEND OUR REALIGNMENT OF THAT LITTLE DRIVEWAY THERE? AND THE WATER REQUIRES WATER? THE PROJECT REQUIRES TWO WATER, QUANTITY BASINS.
WE'RE PROPOSING ONE HERE AND ONE HERE AS WELL.
SO THIS IS THE VIRGINIA HILLS CHURCH.
IT'S ON THE PLANS THAT'S SHOWN IS CORNERSTONE BAPTIST CHURCH, BUT THIS IS, UH, THAT CHURCH.
THEY WERE PUSHING ITS ENTRANCE CENTERED THERE.
AND THEN WE'LL REPLACE THESE DRIVEWAYS HERE, JUST IN KIND, JUST FINISHED, FINISH THE ENTRANCES.
THEY'RE REPLACING THEM IN CON AND THIS IS THE INTERSECTION.
THIS HAS BUILT UP SIGNIFICANTLY HERE TO GET OVER THE RAILROAD TRACKS, BUT THERE'S GOING TO BE A GOOD BIT OF FILL IN THIS AREA AS WELL.
SO A LOT OF FEELING GOING IN HERE, UM, SETTLEMENT ISSUES, A LOT OF, LIKE I SAID, COMPLICATED, UH, GEO-TECHNICAL UM, WORK TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS ALL FITS THE WAY THAT IT SHOULD, AND THEN TIE IT BACK DOWN AND GRADE HERE AND HERE.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO GO UP OVER PRETTY QUICKLY AND COME BACK DOWN.
AND SO THE PROPOSED RIGHT OF WAY THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS IN THE RED HERE.
IT SAYS PROPOSED RIGHT AWAY AND IT'S SO THAT WE CAN, UM, PUSH THE, THE FISHNET BOULEVARD BACK OVER AND GET OUR BRIDGE AND EVERYTHING.
WE NEED ALL THAT, THE FIELD HERE TO, TO BUILD THE PROJECT.
UM, AND THERE'S ALSO AN, IT COMES DOWN OVER HERE, SO IT'S ALL MARKED IN RED.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE PORTION WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
AND THERE'S ALSO A TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT, UM, FOR THIS TO CONSTRUCT THIS PARKING LOT.
SO THAT'S LIKE 40,000 SQUARE FEET.
SO THAT'S INCLUDED IN, UM, THE RIGHT OF WAY, TOTAL THAT YOU'LL SEE.
BUT, UM, THE ACTUAL FEE SIMPLE RIGHT AWAY IS THE 1.5, ONE, 500 ACRES TO DO ALL THIS RIGHT HERE.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION.
I, I, YEAH, I THINK I NEED AN ENGINEERING TUTORIAL.
IF I MIGHT ADD A COUPLE OF COMMENTS, UH, WE UNDERSTAND FULLY THAT NONE OF THIS BOARD AND NONE OF THE ADMINISTRATION WAS, UH, WITH US AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS PROJECT.
THE RIGHT OF WAY ISSUE VERBALLY WAS COMMITTED BY THE COUNTY.
AND SO WHEN THE FEDERAL DOLLARS WERE APPLIED FOR, THERE WERE NO MONEY RIGHT AWAY.
SO THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT WE HAVE IN THERE NOW ARE, ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE MADE UP WITH STATE DOLLARS IF WE HAVE TO PAY THEM OKAY.
AS THIS WAS A SECONDARY ROAD, THAT MEANS THAT THOSE DOLLARS ARE GONNA HAVE TO COME SOMEWHERE FROM THE SECONDARY PROGRAM.
SO WE WERE HOPING THAT THE CARRIER WOULD PARTNER WITH US TO KEEP THIS THING NEUTRAL FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY PIECE, UH, AS, AND ESPECIALLY SINCE THE, THE BIGGEST, UH, PEOPLE ARE ALL THE BIGGEST MAJORITY OF FOLKS THAT BENEFIT THIS, OR, UH, WARREN COUNTY RESIDENTS NOT BEING HUNG UP AT THAT.
SO, UH, I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.
WE'RE AWARE THAT THIS IS NEW TO YOU, BUT WE ARE ON A REALLY CONSTRICTED TIME FRAME IN ORDER TO GET THIS DONE.
THERE IS NO WITH THE FEDERAL GRANT, THERE IS NO RACE PERIOD.
SO THE SOONER WE CAN CONTINUE TO MOVE, KNOWING WHICH WAY WE'VE GOT TO GO, THE VALUE OF THIS PROPERTY WAS PLACED AT, UH, ROUGHLY TWO TO 11 TO 10.
AND, UM, THE COST ADMINISTRATIVE COST WAS $200, 211,000.
SO THAT TWO 11, UH, BY THE TIME THE ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS AND STUFF ARE DEDUCTED, WE DON'T EXACTLY WHAT THE DOLLAR FIGURE IS, BUT PROBABLY IN VALUE TO THE COUNTING IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN 200, MAYBE 150 I'M JUST CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW.
HOWEVER, ALSO THERE ARE NO FREE LUNCHES.
SO IF WE HAVE TO PAY THAT 150, OKAY, IT'S GOT TO COME FROM A SECONDARY BUDGET AND PROBABLY IT'S GOING TO IMPACT YOUR CALFEE FUNDS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE TO YOU IN IT.
AND IT'S NOT THE ONLY SECONDARY BUDGET'S GOING TO BE IMPACTED $12 MILLION.
OBVIOUSLY THESE ARE GOING TO COME OUT OF WARREN COUNTY.
IT'S GOING TO COME FROM ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE STATE.
WHAT ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE FUNDS THAT HAVE BEEN DESIGNATED TO, UM, THE STATE WITH, UM, I MEAN, I JUST READ MR. WARNER OPENED A WEBSITE FOR LOCALITIES TO EVEN APPLY FOR THOSE INFRASTRUCTURE FUNDS, WHICH MY UNDERSTANDING ARE DESIGNATED SPECIFICALLY FOR ROADS AND
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BRIDGES AND YOU SHOVEL-READY JOBS.UH, IT'S VERY, SOUNDS VERY GOOD POLITICALLY.
TO BE HONEST, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT PORTION OF THAT WEEKEND, IF ANY, I'M SURE THERE'LL BE SOME, WE DON'T KNOW HOW IT IMPACTS OUR BUDGET.
UH, AS OF YET, WE DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME MAJOR, SOME BIG SCALE PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, UP IN THE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, YOU KNOW, THAT HAVE BEEN APPLIED FOR, BY US.
THERE, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF GRANTS IN POST IN THIS WAY, UH, AND THAT WE HAVE APPLIED FOR SOME OF THOSE ON A STATEWIDE BASIS, BUT HOW IT IMPACTS AND TRICKLES ALL THE WAY DOWN, WE JUST DON'T KNOW YET, IS THE RAILROAD HAVE ANY FINANCIAL BUY-IN IN THIS? SINCE THE RAILROAD IS THE PROBLEM, UH, THEY HAVE THE FINANCIAL BUY-IN AND THAT THEY APPLIED AND GOT THE GRANT.
THAT WAS THE POOR IT'S SUPPORT THAT APPLIED FOR THE GRANT FOR THE RAILROAD ITSELF HAS OFFERED NO FUNDING OF THIS.
AND SO THAT IT'S ACTUALLY NOT A FELONY, LIKE TYPICALLY AT BITA WE'RE ADMINISTERING PROJECTS THAT ARE FUNDED BY THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION.
THIS ONE'S NOT, IT'S A BRAND OF A GRANT THAT'S DONE THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, WHICH COULD BE THE FEDERAL ENTITY, BUT THROUGH THE NATIONAL MARITIME ADMINISTRATION.
SO, UM, I ACTUALLY, I'M AN ENVIRONMENTAL SPECIALIST AND I WROTE THE NEPA DOCUMENT FOR THIS.
UM, AND SO WE DID IT, UM, ON BEHALF OF FEDERAL HIGHWAYS SO THAT MARROW COULD ACTUALLY ADOPT THE NEPA DOCUMENT TO KEEP THERE'S A FEDERAL PARTNERING THERE.
IT WAS JUST TO ADMINISTRATIVELY GET THE ENVIRONMENTAL WORK DONE.
UM, SO THIS IS A VERY ODD PROJECT FOR VETO, BUT IT REALLY IS THE NATIONAL MARITIME ADMINISTRATION.
AND THAT THE PARTICULAR GRANT IS, UM, IT USED TO BE CALLED TIGER GRANTS.
NOW IT'S BILL GRANT, BUT IT'S FOR A PARTICULAR TYPE OF PROJECT.
IT'S NOT REALLY COMING TO FEDERAL HIGHWAYS, POT OF MONEY, WHICH WE WOULD SEE AS WITH MOST OF OUR PROJECTS.
THIS IS ACTUALLY THROUGH THE NATIONAL MARITIME ADMINISTRATION.
THEY STILL ARE FEDERAL DOLLARS OR FEDERAL DOLLARS, BUT JUST NOT ONES THAT WOULDN'T BE NECESSARILY BUILDING OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE OR OTHER PROGRAMS. ALL THE OTHER BRIDGES IN OUR PROGRAM WOULD BE FUNDED IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
UH, ANOTHER WAY THAT, THAT YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER THIS IS THAT WE'RE ASKING YOU TO INVEST $200,000 IN RETURN FOR 12 MILLION.
IT'S A HARD, IT'S A HARD SWALLOW.
AND, UM, LET ME JUST TELL YOU WHY, BECAUSE ON SATURDAY, SUNDAY MORNING, THIS IS MY DISTRICT, BY THE WAY, ON SUNDAY MORNING AT 7:30 AM ROCKLIN ROAD AND FAIRGROUND ROAD WERE BOTH BLOCKED.
ROCKLIN ROAD WAS BLOCKED UNTIL 1:30 PM.
THE EXPLANATION THAT I RECEIVED FROM NORFOLK SOUTHERN AND I CALLED RIGHT AWAY, UM, WAS THAT THEY ARE, THEIR STAFF HAD TIMED OUT AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE STAFF TO MOVE THE TRAIN.
AND THAT THAT'S IT, THERE ARE SAFETY ISSUES.
THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED HERE.
BUT THE HARD SWALLOW THAT I HAVE IS THAT NORFOLK SOUTHERN IS NEVER RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY OF THIS.
THIS IS UP TO THE REST OF US TO TAKE CARE OF.
IT'S FRUSTRATING, FRUSTRATING AS A TAXPAYER.
AND IT'S FRUSTRATING AS A CITIZEN WHO SAFETY MAY BE COMPROMISED BY THEIR LACK OF OVERSIGHT ON THAT, ON, YOU KNOW, ON THAT RAILROAD.
I KNOW YOU'RE PROBABLY, AND SO THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT POINT BECAUSE A LOT OF THE TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING THROUGH THERE IS NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO THE PORT AND THE OTHER ISSUE.
IT MAY BE FRUSTRATING, BUT UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER NO, BUT OKAY.
WE'RE GOING TO DO A FLY OVER HERE $27 MILLION.
AND AT ANY GIVEN TIME, THE RAILROAD CROSSING ON SIX 13 IN BENTONVILLE IS BLOCKED FOR HOURS AT A TIME TOO.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING TO BE THE REMEDY THERE.
THIS ISN'T AN EXPENSIVE REMEDY FOR ONE AREA, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THE WHOLE THING.
SO AT SOME POINT, HOW DO WE, AND NONE OF US, I MEAN, IT'S LIKE THE RAILROAD IS UNTOUCHABLE AND THAT'S WHY I WAS QUESTIONING TOO, WHETHER THEY HAVE ANY BUY-IN TO THIS BECAUSE WHERE WHERE'S THE REMEDY FOR BETONVILLE GOING TO BE COMING DOWN THE ROAD, BECAUSE I HOPE THIS SOLVES THE PROBLEM, BUT I HAVE A HARD TIME BELIEVING THAT THAT TRAIN IS BACKED UP FROM FAIRGROUND ROADS ALL THE WAY TO BENTONVILLE.
THEY JUST DON'T SEEM TO CARE THAT THEY ARE BLOCKING ROADS THAT IS CAUSING A PROBLEM FOR PEOPLE'S WELLBEING AND SAFETY.
AND I KNOW THAT'S NOT YOUR PART JUST BEING THROWN ON YOU NOW.
AND, AND I WISHED, YOU KNOW, FROM OUR OWN PERSONAL DEALINGS, OKAY.
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HAD SOME METHODOLOGY BY WHICH TO MAKE THEM MORE RESPONSIVE.WE HA WE, WE ENCOUNTER PROBLEMS IN RESPONSIVENESS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS.
I MEAN, I HAVE BEEN WAITING ON A CALL AND ANOTHER ISSUE FOR SIX MONTHS, EVEN TO HAVE GONE THROUGH LEGISLATION, TO ASK FOR SOME RESPONSE FROM THEM, I HAVE YET TO GET IT.
SO I, YOU KNOW, SO FAR AS BEING UNTOUCHABLE, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THEY ARE FROM SOMEBODY UP HIGHER, THEY MAY NOT BE, BUT THEY OWN THE PROPERTY.
AND THAT THEY'RE JUST VERY DIFFICULT TO DEAL WITH.
WELL, THE OTHER THING, MR CARTER'S, THAT WE'RE MAKING THIS THING WIDER, SO THEY CAN A THIRD RAIL, I MEAN, COME TO INJURY.
I JUST THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE SOME BUY-IN AND I DON'T KNOW, WE JUST DID A REGIONAL APPROACH TO MAKE CENTURY LINK ACCOUNTABLE.
MAYBE WE NEED TO DO A REGIONAL APPROACH TO MAKE THE RAILROAD MORE ACCOUNTABLE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD WORK, BUT I'M WILLING TO TRY.
I MEAN, THIS IS, BUT WE HAVE TO, WHAT IS THE TIMELINE FOR THE DECISION? THERE'S A BIGGER POLITICAL CONTEXT HERE TOO.
THIS IS A, A, A GEM FOR THE VIRGINIA PORT AUTHORITY.
AND SO THE FORMER SECRETARY OF TRANSPORTATION IS VERY MUCH IN SUPPORT OF THIS.
AND MR. NELSON, WHO I SAID IS VICE PRESIDENT OF THEIR GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS.
AND THEY JUST WONDERFUL TO WORK WITH.
I'M SO KNOWLEDGEABLE, SHE'S AN ENGINEER BY TRAINING.
UM, BUT WE, THEY REALLY ARE PUSHING TO HAVE THIS PROJECT BECAUSE IT DOES HELP THE PORT.
AND SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY ARE ALREADY DOING.
IT, IT WAS A PARCEL WITH AN, UH, IMPROVEMENTS ON THE ACTUALLY IN THE INLAND PORT AS WELL.
SO SOME OF THE GANTRIES AND RAILS AND THINGS LIKE THAT ARE BEING IMPROVED INSIDE THE GATE AS THEY CALLED IT.
AND THIS IS THE OUTSIDE COMPONENT OF THAT.
SO IT IS, IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT PROJECT AGAIN.
SO WHAT'S THE TIMELINE THOUGH? CONSTRUCTION, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE CONSTRUCTION, SUPPOSED TO BE COMPLETED NOVEMBER OF 20.
BUT WHEN DO YOU NEED A DECISION AND ACTION ON OUR PART, ON OUR PART, THANK YOU ABOUT THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO, UM, WE'RE MOVING THROUGH, LIKE I SAID, WITH FIELD DEVELOPMENT, UM, THEY'RE FAILED INSPECTION PLANS.
UM, SO RIGHT AWAY IS THE NOTICE TO PROCEED WOULD BE THE SUMMER BE JUNE, I THINK THIRD, 13, BECAUSE WHEN WE'RE SCHEDULED JUNE 30TH IS WHEN WE'RE SUPPOSED TO START THE AUTHORIZATION GET AUTHORIZATION FOR, RIGHT.
BUT WE CAN'T WAIT TILL JUNE THE THIRD RIGHT NOW.
SO WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION.
SO WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION BY OUR NEXT MEETING, YOU KNOW? YES, MA'AM OKAY.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE TIME IN, IF WE DON'T.
I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND, BUT THIS IS A TOTALLY NEW TOPIC FOR ME.
AND IF SOMEONE CAN GIVE ME A QUICK HISTORY LESSON OF HOW, YOU KNOW, WHY WE'RE DOING IT IN AND YOU KNOW, WHAT BENEFIT IT BRINGS TO THE COUNTY, I APPRECIATE IT.
THERE'S ACTUALLY A VIDEO ON, UM, THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION'S WEBSITE.
I, I PARTICIPATED IN THE PUBLIC HEARING, UM, BECAUSE IT WAS MY DISTRICT AND SOME OF MY CONSTITUENTS WANTED ME TO MAKE SURE I WAS ON THERE.
AND THEN YOU, UM, WE DO HAVE A BRIEF HISTORY HERE, SUPERVISOR COOK, AND THEN THERE ARE SOME, THE VIDEO CAN SHOW YOU.
UM, BUT THE RE BUT THE NEED, UH, CAME ABOUT, I BELIEVE THAT YOU MIGHT AGREE WITH THE IMPETUS TO THIS PROJECT WAS WHEN THERE WAS A SCHOOL BUS THAT WAS UNABLE TO GET ACROSS THE ROAD.
AND THERE WERE CHILDREN TRAPPED IN A SCHOOL BUS FOR MORE THAN 45 MINUTES.
AND SOME OF THEM HAD TO GO TO THE BATHROOM AND IT WAS PRETTY.
AND SO I BELIEVE THAT THAT WAS KIND OF THE STRAW THAT BROKE THE CAMEL'S BACK.
WELL, AND THIS HAS BEEN AN ONGOING ISSUE FOR YEARS WITH HER AND, AND THE PORT AUTHORITY HAS WORKED AT PARTNERSHIP TO TRY AND COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS, GRANTS HAVE BEEN APPLIED FOR BEFORE TO TAKE ACTION.
YOU ALSO HAVE EMERGENCY SERVICES GET IS DELAYED WHEN THE TRAIN IS MOCKED, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE I'M SURE HAS PROBABLY GOT A LEDGER OF COMPLAINTS WHEN PEOPLE ARE BLOCKED AT THAT RAILROAD CROSSING.
UM, SO IN PARTNERSHIP WITH PORT AUTHORITY, THEY APPLIED FOR AND GOT THE MONEY, UH, UNFORTUNATELY INFLATION, THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS ENCOUNTERED AFTER WE GOT INTO THE EKO INVESTIGATION OUT THERE, DROVE THE COST UP TO A MILLION DOLLARS.
NOW THE STATE HAS COMMITTED TO COME UP WITH THAT 12 MILLION.
I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN POLITICALLY.
AND THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT THE BOARD'S WILLING TO PARTNER WITH THAT PIECE OF RIGHT WAY.
IN EXCHANGE FOR THE BENEFIT THAT THEIR CONSTITUENTS ARE GOING TO GET.
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AND WE COULD, YOU KNOW, WE COULD DISCUSS ALL DAY THE RAILROAD'S RESPONSIBILITIES, SOME FROM WHAT ISN'T GOING TO CHANGE, THE SITUATION THAT WE'RE IN, HOPEFULLY ONE DAY WE WILL BE ABLE TO, TO HAVE THE RAILROAD WORK WITH US ON MORE THAN JUST THIS PARTICULAR CROSSING.BUT RIGHT NOW THAT'S JUST, I HEAR YOUR VOICE OF REASON, BUT IT STILL DOESN'T.
CAUSE I CALLED, LIKE I REACHED TO THE VP, I HAVE HIS NUMBER AND I REACHED TO HIM ON SUNDAY MORNING WHEN I GOT THAT RESPONSE.
DAVIS, JUST TO MAKE A COMMENT MA'AM UM, EACH OF THE, UH, REVENUE SHARING PROJECTS, SUCH AS OUT IN SHENANDOAH FARMS COSTS THE BOARD, UH, ANYWHERE FROM 150 TO 200,000, DEPENDING UPON THE SIZE OF THE PROJECT, THIS IS FREE.
AND IF IT'S YOUR ECONOMIC DRIVER, THE PORT OF VIRGINIA, WHICH IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS RIGHT UP THERE WITH TOURISM AS OUR TWO DRIVERS IN THIS ECONOMY.
CAUSE, UM, MR. CARTER, YOU WERE SAYING THAT FOR $12 MILLION, WE'RE GOING TO BE INVESTING 200 K COULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT THE VALUE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY IS TWO HUNDRED AND SIX, TWO HUNDRED NINE? UM, ACQUISITION COST WAS 211.
I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MEANT BY THAT.
IF WE DIDN'T DO IT, THEY WOULD TAKE 200 PLUS THOUSAND OUT OF OUR SECONDARY ROAD FUND IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
SAY THAT THE WHOLE 200 WILL COME OUT OF YOURS, BUT CERTAINLY THERE'LL BE A CONTRIBUTION BECAUSE WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR THE CLOSEST MONEY IS IN THE POST.
THE CLOSEST MONEY IS GOING TO BE YOUR TELEPHONY ACCOUNTS.
SO WE WOULD NOT, UH, WE WOULD NOT TAKE ANY, MONEY'S ALREADY COMMITTED TO PROJECTS THAT YOU HAVE IN THE CURRENT SIX YEAR BUDGET.
BUT PROJECTS THAT YOU ARE PLUGGED IN THE FUTURE, MAYBE IT'S STRETCHED OUT.
SO IF THEY PAY, IF V DOT PAYS US FOR THIS RIGHT OF WAY, IT'S GOING TO COME OUT OF OUR ALLOCATION FROM V DOT.
SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO TAKE IT OUT OF THIS POCKET AND PUT IT IN THIS SHELL GAME.
WELL, THAT'S JUST THAT PORTION OF IT.
THE OTHER 12 MILLIONS COMING FROM OTHER PLACES IN THE STATE.
AND ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROJECT? UM, I HAVEN'T BUSINESS CARDS.
IF YOU NEED THEM, YOU'RE WELCOME TO CALL ME OR EMAIL ME WITH ANY QUESTIONS.
PUBLIC HEARING VIDEO DOES I THINK YOU HAVE A PRETTY GOOD, IT DOES.
IF YOU WANT TO LEAVE SOME CARDS, UM, WITH EITHER FUTURE, LEAVE SOME CARDS.
I APOLOGIZE FOR SAFE TRIP BACK BEING SO LONG TO GET TO YOU QUESTION.
IF I MAY MA'AM DO YOU NEED ANYTHING BESIDES A MOTION FROM THE BOARD? DO WE NEED A RESOLUTION? THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING THE RESOLUTION THAT.
SO IF YOU GIVE US THE RESOLUTION FOR MR. CARTER, IF YOU GIVE US THE FORM THAT YOU WANT, WE'LL GET IT ON NEXT AGENDA.
[A. Discussion – Virginia Department of Transportation Secondary Six-Year Plan – Ed Carter]
YEAR PLAN, AND THIS IS WHERE I WAS HOPING WE COULD, UM, MR. BUTLER'S GOING TO BE BACK.HE HAD TO, UM, LEAVE FOR JUST A LITTLE BIT, BUT TO ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS I KNOW MRS. COOK BEING NEW AND I'M STILL WADING THROUGH IT AS WELL.
BUT, UM, SINCE YOU MENTIONED TELEPHONE FEE FUND, MAYBE THAT'S A GOOD PLACE TO START OFF.
FIRST OF ALL, LET ME SAY THAT WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE CURRENT FIGURES ARE AND WON'T HAVE THE OKAY.
I KNOW MS. CARSON HAS HEARD THIS BEFORE, BUT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE HAVE TO BUDGET DEPENDS ON THE AMOUNT OF REVENUES AND WHAT'S PROJECTED FROM CURRENT DAY, THE NEXT SIX YEARS, THOSE REVENUES, OR BOTHERS ME, UH, IF THOSE REVENUES THAT ARE PROJECTED, COME IN, THEN OUR BUDGET STAYS AS, AS IT IS SUBMITTED.
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COME IN LOWER IT, OKAY.THEN OUR BUDGET FROM THAT POINT FORWARD AND THE OUTGOING YEARS DROPS, MEANING THAT, UH, IF I CAN GIVE YOU A VERY SIMPLE ANALOGY, IF I'M GOING TO BUY A CAR AND I'M GOING TO PAY A THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR IT, AND I KNOW THAT I CAN PAY FOR THE NEXT SIX YEARS.
I WAS LIKE, WELL, UH, IF, IF I COULD PAY A THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR BASED ON MY INCOME AND MY INCOME IS, IS, UH, UH, 1500 A YEAR, OKAY.
THEN I KNOW EVERY YEAR FOR THE NEXT SIX YEARS, I CAN PAY A THOUSAND DOLLARS AND PAY THAT CAR.
NOW, IF MY INCOME DROPS FROM 1500 TO 500, I CAN'T MAKE THAT PAINT.
SO THOSE OUT YEARS, I EITHER, UH, GET RID OF THE CAR OR I EXTEND MY PAYMENTS ON OUT BEYOND THAT OUR, OUR BUDGET WORKS THE SAME WAY CURRENTLY THIS PAST YEAR, IN SPITE OF COVID, THIS STATE'S ENTIRE REVENUES ARE UP.
SO WE DON'T ANTICIPATE A DROP.
WE ANTICIPATE, BUT I DO NOT KNOW HOW MUCH THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET ADDITIONAL FUNDS, BUT I WILL NOT KNOW THAT UNTIL THE FINANCIAL PEOPLE IN RICHMOND, UH, BEGIN, YOU KNOW, GET THROUGH ALL THE MINUTIA, THEY GO THROUGH MANIPULATING THE FUNDS AND SO FORTH AND SEE HOW MUCH WE'RE ALLOTTED.
AND EACH COUNTY'S A LOT IN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF SECONDARY FUNDS.
AND IT USUALLY THAT'S PRIMARILY USED FOR, UH, AND THIS IS NOT MAINTENANCE.
NOW THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT WE TERM CONSTRUCTION DOLLARS.
USUALLY THAT IS TO ELIMINATE THEIR HIGH VOLUME STABILIZED ROADS.
AND WHEN A HARD SURFACE OWNER, UH, ALSO IMPACTED THIS, OUR MAINTENANCE BUDGET.
UH, OUR MAINTENANCE BUDGET IS DICTATED BY THE SAME REVENUE FORECAST.
WE GET X AMOUNT OF MAINTENANCE DOLLARS TO SPEND, TO DO THINGS LIKE DRAINAGE PROBLEMS, MODE, UH, PICK UP TRASH, UH, GRADE, UH, GRAVEL ROAD PRICE, ADDITIONAL STONE, ET CETERA.
ALL THE MAINTENANCE FUNCTIONS THAT WE DO OUT THERE, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS OUR CONSTRUCTION PROGRAM FOR THE NEXT SIX YEARS.
AND WHAT I, WHAT, WHAT WE CAN DO TODAY IS SHOW YOU WHAT WE HAVE THE FUNDING SOURCES FOR THAT IS, UH, THE, UH, REVENUES THAT WERE ALLOTTED FOR SECONDARY PROGRAM.
YOU HAVE REVENUE SHARING, AND IN WHICH CASE THEY IT'S A 50 50 DEAL.
IF THE COUNTY WANTS TO DO SOMETHING, THEY CAN APPLY FOR REVENUE SHARING FUNDS, WHICH THE COUNTY PAYS HALF AND THE STATE PAYS HALF.
NOW SMART SCALE IS A, UH, IT'S SIMPLY A PROGRAM WHEREBY UH, DOLL, UH, RALPH'S THAT HAD BEEN IDENTIFIED IN V TRAN AS ELIGIBLE, ARCHAIC, AND APPLY FOR FUNDS TO DO THINGS ON THOSE ROUTES.
THEY ARE SCORED BASED ON, UH, CONGESTION SAFETY.
UH, AND YOU CAN LOOK ALL OF THIS UP ON ONLINE AND GET THE REAL DETAIL.
I'M JUST GIVING YOU A BROAD BRUSH, UH, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL CONSIDERATIONS, UH, WHETHER OR NOT, UH, WE ARE, UH, CLOSE TO, UH, UH, HISTORICAL GROUNDS, SEVERAL THINGS GOING ON, SCORES, SUPPLIED, AND THEN YOU'RE COMPETING FOR THOSE FUNDS ACROSS THE ENTIRE STATE.
SO IF YOU SUBMIT A PROJECT AND YOU SCORE A 60 AND SOMEBODY ACROSS THE MOUNTAIN, THEIR SCORES ARE 70, THEN THEY MIGHT GET FUNDED AND YOU MIGHT NOT.
AND THAT JUST DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH IS IN THE BIG POT, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY CAN DISTRIBUTE MR. CARTER, IS THERE A, UM, A TRANSPARENCY TO THIS PROCESS, SOMEWHERE ON THE WEBSITE? HOW, HOW, WHAT POINTS PEOPLE HAVE GOTTEN AND HOW THEY'VE GOTTEN THOSE, IS THAT A PROCESS THAT'S OPEN AND FAIR IN THE, IN THE MARKETPLACE OR, OR IS IT JUST, DO WE FEED OUT, MAKES A DECISION AND WE GO, OH YEAH, WELL, V DOT DOESN'T MAKE THE DECISION.
ACTUALLY, IT'S THE PEOPLE WHO APPROVE IT AS A COMMONWEALTH TRANSPORTATION BOARD.
IT'S NOT V DOT PERSONALITY THAT MAKES THAT DECISION V DOC HELPS THE LOCALITIES, UH, SUBMIT THEIR APPLICATIONS AND, AND GIVES THEM ADVICE ON WHAT LOOKS LIKE IT WILL SCORE WELL BASED ON
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HISTORY.AND THEN THE SCALA TRANSPORTATION BOARD DECIDES WHICH ONES THAT THEY'RE GOING TO FUND.
AND YES, THERE IS A, THERE IS A, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A WEBSITE, I CAN TELL YOU HOW THE STANTON DISTRICT SCORES IS IT.
ONCE YOU COME UP HERE WITH ME HERE, I BOUGHT MATT SMITH WITH ME.
HE'S MATCHED MY ASSISTANT AND, AND HE'S KIND OF OVERSEEING THE BUDGET PROCESS FOR ME, UH, AS WE MOVE FORWARD FIRST, QUITE FRANKLY, IT'S MORE THAN I CAN SAY, GRACE OVERALL WITH EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO, UH, IF YOU, UH, IF YOU'LL BEAR WITH US, MATT HAS GOT, YOU HAVE COPIES.
SO GO AHEAD AND GIVE THEM COPIES IF YOU WOULD, THIS IS A BUDGET, CORRECT.
AND IT TALKS ABOUT THE PROJECTS THAT HAVE, HAVE BEEN APPROVED IN H SIP, UH, AND, UH, SMART SCALE.
THE GRANTS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, WHICH IS RIGHT NOW ONLY THE ROCKLAND ROAD ROADWAY.
SO I'M GOING TO LET HIM CARRY YOU THROUGH THAT.
AND THEN WE WILL TALK ABOUT THE, UH, UH, THE BUDGET ITEM SHEET THAT YOU ALL GET EVERY YEAR TO SIGN OFF ON AND THE TELEPHONY FUND, HOW THOSE ARE DISTRIBUTED DOWN INTO THE VARIOUS PROJECTS THAT IS THAT SATISFACTORY MADAM CHAIR.
SO WHAT, WHAT THIS IS, I JUST PUT TOGETHER KIND OF A LIST OF, AND THESE AREN'T, THEY DON'T ENCOMPASS EVERY PROJECT THAT WE HAVE, BECAUSE THESE ARE JUST KIND OF THE LARGER PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING UP IN THE SIX YEAR PLAN ON THIS FIRST SHEET.
SO, UM, WE HAVE ONE THAT'S GETTING READY TO KICK OFF THE FIRST ONE, THERE'S ROUTE 55 STRAUSBERG ROAD, WHICH IS A, UH, TRENCH WIDENING PROJECT.
THAT'S GOING TO GO FROM, UH, THE SOUND THAT GOES FROM THE TOWN OF FRONT ROW.
IT'S ABOUT 7.2 MILES LONG FROM THE SHADOW COUNTY LINE TO THE FRONT, FRONT ROYAL TOWN LIMITS.
UM, AND, UM, THAT, LIKE I SAID, THAT ONE'S GOING TO KICK OFF AND BE THIS SUMMER, UM, ON THAT.
AND THEN THERE'S JUST, THERE'S NO SPECIFIC ORDER ON THESE.
THE NEXT ONE IS ROUTE 55, UM, ON THE OTHER END.
UM, AND, UM, THAT IS A, IT WAS A SMART SCALE APPLICATION THAT WAS AWARDED IT AWARDED IN 2020 IT'S $1.6 MILLION PROJECT.
CURRENTLY IT'S ESTIMATED THAT THAT PROJECT WOULD GO TO ADVERTISEMENT IN YOUR SUMMER 2025.
AND THERE'S A BRIEF DESCRIPTION ON THAT.
UM, IT'S BASICALLY JUST DOING, UH, A LOT OF SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS THROUGH THAT CORRIDOR.
UM, THE NEXT ONE IS THE ROCKLIN ROAD PROJECT THAT, UM, YOU JUST GOT A BRIEFING ON THAT SAID FLY OVER BRIDGE OVER THE RAILROAD, AND LET'S SEE, UH, I'VE LISTED ON HERE.
THERE'S A, UM, ACCELERATION LANE LET'S SEE, IS THAT, THAT'S THE ONE THAT IS BASICALLY GOING THERE IN FRONT OF THE TARGET WHERE WE GET THE, UH, ACCELERATION LANE.
THAT'S THE ONE ON THE INTERSTATE.
VERY SHORT ACCELERATION LANE ON TO 81.
AND YOU HAVE TO DODGE TRAFFIC.
AND THAT'S PART OF ANOTHER WIDENING PROJECT.
THAT'LL KIND OF OVERLAP ON THAT.
IT IS, THERE'S ACTUALLY, THERE'S A LITTLE, NO, MAN'S LAND GO.
YOU CAN HOLD YOUR BREATH THROUGH SHADOW WARRANTY.
SO I WAS WONDERING, YEAH, SO TECHNICALLY, I GUESS THAT'S, THAT'S IN WARREN.
UM, THE NEXT, THE NEXT ONE IS THE, UM, IT'S ON 3 45, 22, WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO LINK THAN THAT, UH, THE RIGHT TURN LANE ONTO THE, UH, WESTBOUND 66 ON RAMP.
UM, AND THAT WAS A SMART SCALE 20 APPLICATION.
UM, AND THEN THE NEXT ONE IS 3 45, 22 LIGHTING IMPROVEMENTS.
THAT WAS A SMART SCALE APPLICATION.
AND THEN THE, UM, LET'S SEE, SMART 22.
I'M GETTING THESE, THAT'S THE TITLE IT HAS IN THE PROGRAM.
SO THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE MOST RECENT SMART SCALE WAS THE 3 45 22 SAFETY CORRIDOR IMPROVEMENTS.
I THINK THAT'S GOING TO DO LIKE SPOT IMPROVEMENTS ALONG THE CORRIDOR.
I THINK THE ROCKLIN ROAD LEFT TURN LANE OR RELIANCE ROAD LEFT TURN LANE IS GOING TO BE LENGTHENED.
AND I THINK ALSO MAYBE THE ONE AT FAIRGROUND ROAD ARE INCLUDED IN THAT TOO.
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SO, SO THOSE ARE SOME KIND OF BIGGER PROJECTS.UM, THE NEXT PAGE, I JUST HAD A LITTLE BLURB ON THERE AND WHAT SMART SCALE IS, WHICH IS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE BIG, UH, BIG FUNDING SOURCE.
THERE'S ALSO, THERE'S VARIOUS DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES.
THERE'S A, THEY CALL IT EIGHT SIP IT'S HIGHWAY SAFETY IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
UM, BUT I JUST PUT THAT IN FOR INFORMATION ON, I DON'T KNOW, DID YOU WANT ME TO TALK ABOUT THE LAST PAGE IS KIND OF IT'S YOUR SECONDARY SIX YEAR PROGRAM, WHICH ARE BASICALLY YOUR ROLE RUSTIC PROGRAMS. AND THESE ARE THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE PROGRAMMED IN THERE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS.
UM, THE, THE TOP ONE, THERE'S A COMPLETION OF ROCKY HOLLER.
THAT'LL BE, UM, THIS SUMMER, THAT'S GETTING MORE MONEY JULY 1ST TO COMPLETE THAT.
AND THEN 2023 WOULD BE KENDRICK FORD ROAD, 2024 PANHANDLE ROAD.
UM, THE F Y 26 WARREN COUNTY RURAL RUSTIC ROAD PROJECT IS JUST A PLACEHOLDER.
UM, AND THAT THAT'LL GET 220,000 ON JULY 1ST, 2025.
AND THEN, UM, THE LAST ONE I HAD ON THIS SCHEDULE OR KIND OF LAST YEAR, SIX YEAR SCHEDULE WAS THE WILLIAM VINCENT ROAD IS, IS PROGRAMMED IN THERE.
AND THAT WOULD BE LIKE A 20, 26 PROJECT KIND OF EVERY THAT ARE CONSTRAINTS ON FLEXIBILITY DRAWS A LITTLE BIT TIGHTER.
UM, THE ONE PLACE THAT WE HAVE FLEXIBILITY IS WITH THE SECONDARY BUDGET AND THIS RULE RUSTIC SCHEDULE THINGS THAT WE HAVE ALREADY, UH, WHAT WE CALL SCOPED AND PREDESIGNED AND GOTTEN ENVIRONMENTAL CLEARANCES.
WE'D LIKE TO LEAVE IN PLACE, BUT IF THE BOARD WANTS TO CHANGE PRIORITIES AND WHAT WE HAVE OR ADD SOMETHING ELSE TO IT NOW IS THE TIME TO DO THAT.
SO WE CAN GET IT PROGRAMMED INTO THE, THE, THE BUDGET, DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH, UH, WHAT THE TOTAL POT IS.
THIS WAS NOW CONSIDERED, UH, WHAT USED TO BE SECONDARY FORMULA DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE.
THIS IS NOW CALLED, UH, DISTRICT GRANT UNPAID ROAD PROGRAM.
AND YOU COMPETE FOR THAT TOO, BUT IT NOT TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU HAVE TO, WITH A SMART SCALE.
AND USUALLY WHAT WE ASK FOR AS LONG AS WE STAY WITHIN THE TOTAL LIMITS THAT WE'RE GIVEN, WE CAN GET ADDED TO IT NOW.
UM, SO WHAT MATT SHOWN YOU IS WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE, UH, LIKE THE 20, 25, THIS PLACEHOLDER THAT WE PUT IN THERE THAT 220,000 TO SIT IN THERE, BUT IT'S NOT DEDICATED TO ANYTHING.
IN OTHER WORDS, IF THE BOARD WANTS TO PUT A ROAD THERE, OR IF YOU WANT TO MOVE ST.
VINCENT, UH, WILLIAM SAINT WILLIAM VINCENT ROAD, UP TO THAT AREA, SO THAT YOU ADJUST THE SCHEDULE FORWARD, INSTEAD OF OUTWARDS, THAT YOU'VE GOTTEN THAT FLEXIBILITY TO DO.
ALSO, WE ALSO HAVE, UH, SOMETHING THAT, UH, UH, WE HAVE WHAT WE CALL COUNTYWIDE PROJECTS.
THESE USED TO BE, UH, UH, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO GET MISQUOTED HERE.
HOW'S THE BEST WAY TO PUT THIS.
THEY WERE UP FUNDS THAT WE HAD, THAT WE HAD, WE COULD BE FLEXIBLE WITH.
AND THE RIGHT NOW YOU'RE SITTING THERE AND WHAT WE CALL COUNTY WIDE ENGINEERING AND SURVEY WITH $84,000.
WHICH WE CAN USE TO EITHER ADVANCE ONE OF THESE PROJECTS, ADD TO ONE OF THEM, YOU KNOW, OR, UH, IF WE'RE SHORT OR I AM ONE, WE CAN USE IT TO BACKFILL THAT SHORTAGE.
IF SOMETHING HAPPENED ON THE, WHEN WE CONSTRUCTED A PROJECT THAT WAS UNFORESEEN.
SO WE HAVE THAT PART OF FLEXIBILITY.
NOW, THESE PROJECTS, THIS IS, UH, THIS FUN, THIS PAUL, THIS, UH, UH, COUNTYWIDE ENGINEERING SURVEY FUND IS USUALLY WHERE YOUR THAT YOU ARE COLLECT EVERY YEAR.
IT'S USUALLY WHERE WE PUT THAT IN.
THEY KEEP, UH, THEY KEEP THAT FLEXIBILITY.
SO YOU IT'S, IT'S LIKE HAVING A SAVINGS ACCOUNT, IF YOU WILL, FOR THINGS THAT ARE UNFORESEEN RIGHT.
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OKAY.YOUR TELEPHONY FUNDS ARE ESTIMATED TO BE $112,000 A YEAR THAT YOU HAVE COMING IN EVERY YEAR.
NOW HAVEN'T SEEN WHAT THE FIGURES ARE.
CAUSE I WON'T GET THOSE UNTIL LATER THIS MONTH, BUT THERE HAS BEEN FOR ME THE OUTGOING YEARS.
BUT IF THAT INCREASES, UH, THEN OUR SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT YOU GO AHEAD AND PUT IT IN THE COUNTYWIDE FUND BECAUSE YOU'LL GET SO MUCH FOR THE COUNTY WIDE FUND TOO.
AND THEN THAT GIVES YOU, LIKE I SAID, A SAVINGS ACCOUNT THAT YOU CAN USE TO, UH, TO WORK, TO ADVANCE SOME OF THESE PROJECTS OR ADD, I HAD ANOTHER SECONDARY PROJECT WITH IT.
THAT'S GENERALLY, THAT'S HOW WE HAVE HISTORICALLY DONE IT.
HOW DO, HOW DO CONSTITUENTS APPLY? I'VE HAD A COUPLE OF CONSTITUENTS YOU'VE ASKED HOW TO APPLY FOR LIKE A RURAL RUSTIC.
THESE WOULD PROBABLY BE RURAL RUSTIC PROJECTS.
SO HOW WOULD THEY APPLY FOR THAT? DO THEY FILL OUT A SPECIFIC FORM OR DO THEY JUST TELL ME THE W ALWAYS BEFORE THE RULE RUSTICS AND I AM THE USE OF THAT MONEY HAS BEEN A, A, UH, A JOINT THING.
WE ADVISE THE BOARD AND THE BOARD MAKES THE FINAL DECISION ON WHICH ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS THEY WANT TO MOVE FORWARD.
ALL THE THING WE HAVE TO DO IS FOLLOW THE RULE.
RUSTIC GUIDELINES HAS TO BE AT LEAST 50, UH, TRIPS PER DAY ON IT, YOU KNOW, TO QUALIFY FOR IT.
AND, UH, WE HAVE TO HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY THERE, WHICH IS ALL PRESCRIPTIVE.
WE HAVE A 30 FOOT RIGHT AWAY TO WORK IN, AND WE'RE LIMITED TO WHAT WE CAN DO IN THAT.
SO WHAT HAPPENS, AND MAYBE I NEED A LITTLE EDUCATION, I'VE FORGOTTEN IT, BUT WHAT HAPPENS ON LIKE PRIVATE ROADS, LIKE PRIVATE IN GREASES AND EGRESSES INTO SUBDIVISIONS.
SO WE HAVE THEIR STATE MAINTAINED ROADS.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THESE PRIVATE OFFSHOOTS THAT PEOPLE HAVE ASKED ME ABOUT ARE THOSE ARE UP TO THE, THE SUBDIVISIONS TO MANAGE ON THEIR OWN.
AND THAT'S WHERE YOU GET INTO THE OTHER TYPE OF REVENUE SHARING THAT WE'VE DONE, WHERE THE COUNTY PAYS SO MUCH, THE SANITARY DISTRICT'S WELL, OR WE DID ONE ROAD THAT WAS NOT A SANITARY DISTRICT ROAD.
UM, IT WAS OUT AND I'M NOT SURE YOUR AREA OR WALLETS BECAUSE OF THAT SOMETHING FARMS ROAD.
AND I CAN'T THINK OF IT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
THAT WAS THE ONE DOWN BY THE RIVER.
BUT YOU WENT TO THE BOAT LANDING THAT YOU ALL PUT OUT INTO THE COUNTY PUT IN.
NO, NO, THIS IS OUT NEAR FAIRGROUNDS IN THAT AREA OUT THERE.
ANYWAY, IT'S PRIVATE LITTLE SUBDIVISION AND THEY WANTED THE STATE AND THE COUNTY PUT IN A PORTION, THEY PUT PER HOUSEHOLD A PORTION AND THEN V.TO BRING IT UP TO MINIMUM STANDARDS AND THEN WOULD TAKE OVER THE MAINTENANCE OF IT.
IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DO WITH THE SANITARY DISTRICTS, BUT THAT WAS DONE ON A SUBDIVISION.
THAT'S NOT A SANITARY DISTRICT.
I THINK THERE WERE LIKE 13, 14 HOUSES THERE, INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNERS CONTRIBUTED.
AND THAT THAT'S THE RURAL, RURAL EDITION.
I KNEW THERE WAS AN ADDITION TAKE A NON-STATE MAINTAINED ROAD AND YOU ADD IT INTO THE STATE SYSTEM STANDARDS.
WELL, WITH, UM, TELEPHONY FUNDS, I KNOW I ASKED YOU BACK ON HAPPY CURRY GROVE.
THERE WAS A S AND I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT AMOUNT OF MONEY.
I WANT THAT SAY 137,000 THAT WAS TAKEN OUT OF, UM, SECONDARY NON-HARD SURFACE MONEY ROAD FUND, AND PUT INTO THAT.
AND I'D ASKED YOU IF THAT PROJECT CAME UNDER, DID THAT GO BACK INTO THAT FUND SO THAT IF IT WAS TAKEN OUT OF OUR, UM, RURAL RUSTIC SYSTEM, DID IT GO BACK INTO IT? AND YOU SAID, YOU, I THINK WOULD HAVE TO LOOK INTO, I'M NOT SURE.
SO IN THE SMART SCALE, THAT'S A SMART SCALE PROJECT IN ORDER TO SCORE BETTER AND MAKE YOUR SCORE HIGHER, THE LOCALITY CAN SAY WE'RE WILLING TO CONTRIBUTE SOME OF OUR FUNDS TOWARD IT.
AND IN THAT CASE, THAT'S THE FIRST MONEY THAT THAT'S THE FIRST MONEY THEY TAKE OFF.
SO THAT MUST HAVE BEEN DONE BY THE PRIOR BOARD.
CAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER THAT COMING TO US.
THIS WAS, I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE VERY FIRST SMART SCALE APPLICATIONS FROM WARREN COUNTY.
WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY, I DIDN'T REMEMBER ANYTHING OF THAT, MAN.
AND I, I BROUGHT MY BILLS CAUSE WE PAY A WARREN COUNTY RIGHT AWAY FEE ON LANDLINES MONTHS, DOLLAR 60 A MONTH.
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AND THEN THERE'S ON MY ELECTRIC BILL.I'M ASSUMING THAT'S HIS WARREN COUNTY UTILITY TAX THAT DOESN'T GO TOWARDS RIGHT AWAY FEES THAT WOULD GO TO UP THEM.
SO THAT MONEY THAT WE COLLECT FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY FEE IT, DOESN'T LIKE IF WE BRING IN SAY A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, DO WE KEEP, AND THAT MONEY, SINCE IT WAS EARNED FOR MORGAN STAY HERE, OR I THINK YOU TOLD ME IT GOES INTO A POT AND THEN GETS DISTRIBUTED TALKING ABOUT, UH, CALFEE FUNDS.
I, UM, THE IT'S THAT'S COLLECTED AT THE STATE LEVEL.
AND, AND THEN IT'S REDISTRIBUTED AND I DON'T KNOW, I'M SORRY.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FORMULA IS THAT THEY DO THAT, BUT IT'S DONE SO THAT EVERY COUNTY SUPPOSEDLY GETS THEIR PROPORTIONATE SHARE.
NOW WHAT THAT PROPORTIONATE SHARE IS, I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, I KNOW THAT THE AMOUNT THAT GOES INTO ALL FOUR OF MY COUNTIES, BERRIES, UH, WARREN COUNTY GETS SO MUCH CLARK COUNTY GETS A LESSER AMOUNT.
UH, FREDERICK COUNTY GETS A BIGGER AMOUNT OF MORE POPULATED SHANNON OR COUNTY GETS SOMEWHERE IN VICTORIA.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FORMULA IS FOR THEM.
DOES THAT GO THEN TO WHEN IT'S BRITAIN ALLOCATED OUT, DOES THAT GO TO V DOT OR DOES THAT COME BACK TO THE COUNTY JAIL? IT GOES IN, IT GOES IN THE BUDGET AND TERMS TO CALL TELEPHONE.
IT'S GOES INTO THAT COUNTY'S BUDGET UNDER THE, UH, UNDER THE HEADING GALLOPING FUNDS.
AND, AND HISTORICALLY WE HAVE TAKEN THOSE TELEPHONE FUNDS AND MOVE THEM IF THERE WERE NO MORE DESIGNATION INTO THAT COUNTY-WIDE FUND SO THAT YOU HAD FLEXIBILITY TO USE IT, THE BOARD CAN DECIDE IF YOU WANT TO APPLY THOSE TELEPHONY FUNDS TO A SPECIFIC PROJECT OR BREAK THEM UP AMONGST DIFFERENT PROJECTS.
IT JUST GIVES YOU LESS IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT PURCHASING POWER.
BECAUSE MY QUESTION IN PART THERE IS IF IT'S COLLECTED OFF THE TELEPHONE BILLS AND IF THE TELEPHONE COMPANY HAS THE IDEA OF, WELL, WE COLLECT THIS FEE AND TURN OVER TO YOU.
SO CAUSE THEY'RE SAYING NOW THEY HAVE NO, UM, RESPONSIBILITY FOR KEEPING THE RIGHT OF WAY CLEAN OVER THEIR WIRES.
AND OBVIOUSLY AFTER MEETING WITH EIGHT OR NINE OTHER COUNTIES, WE ALL HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM THAT NOBODY'S KEEPING UP WITH THOSE WIRES.
AND I, I DO APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE CUT A LOT ON THREE 40, BUT IT'S, IT'S SMALL IN COMPARISON TO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
SO IF WE HAVE THE ABILITY, WHICH I HAD NEVER HEARD BEFORE OF DESIGNATING WHERE OUR TELEPHONY FUNDS GO, THEN, YOU KNOW, I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE, I MEAN, I WISH WE HAD ENOUGH MONEY TO DO EVERYTHING WE WANT, BUT I THINK WE GOT TO GET A HANDLE ON THE OVERGROWTH OF THE SYSTEM.
I, YOU KNOW, UM, I NEED TO CHECK ON THAT.
UH, YOU MIGHT BE, YOU MIGHT BE RIGHT.
I'M NOT SURE THAT THOSE TELEPHONES, I KNOW THEY'RE THE BOARD'S FUNDS.
I KNOW THEY CAN BE USED ON HIGHWAY PROJECTS.
I DO NOT KNOW IF THEY CAN BE USED ON PROJECTS THAT AREN'T PERTAINING TO HIGHWAY THAT I NEED TO CHECK OVER THAT.
AND I, I DIDN'T, I FOUND WHERE I THINK IT WAS 1984 AND THEN I, I HAVE MISPLACED THE PAPER AND HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FIND IT THAT THE LEGISLATURES AND ACTED THIS TO USE THAT, TO CLEAN UP THE END, TO MAINTAIN THOSE RIGHT OF WAYS.
NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS AN AGREEMENT WITH THESE COMPANIES.
AND, AND LIKE I SAID, I KNOW FROM DEALING WITH CENTURY LINK, THEY CLAIM NO RESPONSIBILITY WITH MAINTAINING THE RIGHT OF WAY OVER THEIR LINES.
AND I THINK IT COMES BACK TO THE FACT THAT THEY FEEL LIKE THEY ARE PAYING THIS FEE IN WHICH IN ESSENCE, WE'RE PAYING THE FEE AND IN THE WORK IS NOT BEING DONE.
AND I CAN SEE ON YOUR PART, IF YOU WERE TOLD, YOU CAN PUT IT IN YOUR SECONDARY ROAD AND USE IT FOR WHATEVER YOU NEED TO GET THE ROADS DONE.
WE ARE GETTING BETTER IMPROVE ROADS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THE INFRASTRUCTURE ON COMMUNICATIONS IS DETERIORATING HORRIBLY BECAUSE OF THE TREES AND THE, UM, THE VONS AND EVERYTHING WHERE THE RIGHT OF WAYS AREN'T BEING MAINTAINED.
I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, BUT I WILL FIND OUT
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IF WE'VE NEVER BEEN ASKED THAT BEFORE AND I HAVEN'T RESEARCHED DEEPLY, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS PRIMARILY FOR THEM TO PLACE THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE.IT'S A FEE THAT'S PAID TO ALLOW THEM TO PLACE THE TELEPHONE COMMUNICATION IN THE V DOT PRIVATELY.
SO THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO TO THE INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNERS AND PURCHASE EASEMENTS IS MINE.
WELL, SOMEBODY SOMEBODY'S GOTTA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THE RIGHT OF WAY.
AND WHEN I ASKED YOU TO SEE THE CONTRACT BETWEEN YOU AND THE UTILITIES, BECAUSE I COULDN'T BELIEVE THAT V DOT WOULDN'T HOLD A RESPONSE, THE UTILITIES RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THAT AREA.
YOU NEVER GOT ME THE CONTRACT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS NONE OR YEAH.
IT'S A PERMIT FOR THEM TO PLACE THE LINE AND MAINTAIN THE LINE AND THE RIGHT OF WAY THERE IS.
I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING WHERE THEY'RE OBLIGATED FOR KEEPING IT CLEAR VEGETATION.
I THINK THAT WOULD FALL BACK TO US TO KEEP THE RIGHT OF WAY CLEAR.
WELL, NOW IF IT'S OFF RIGHT AWAY AND SEND A PRIVATE EASEMENT THERE, OH, I UNDERSTAND THAT NO, THAT CAN GET YOU IN A HEAP OF TROUBLE.
THEY, NOBODY WANTS ANYBODY ON THEIR PROPERTY WITHOUT PERMISSION.
AND I GET THAT AND I'M NOT EVEN ASKING THAT, BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE, UM, IT'S CONFUSING TO SAY THE LEAST.
SO, AND ON THESE PROJECTS, UM, WERE THESE ALL PROJECTS? CAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE TRENCH WIDENING.
I NEVER HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THAT FOR 55.
WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT VIDOT FELT NEEDED TO BE DONE OR DID WE ASK FOR THAT TO BE DONE? IT WAS, UH, THE, UH, IT WAS H WHAT'S CALLED H SHIP FUNDING, HIGHWAY SAFETY IMPROVEMENT FUNDING.
AND THAT'S WHERE, UH, WHEN THEY LOOK AT THE DATA, THEY LOOK AT THE TYPES OF CRASHES AND THINGS THEY HAVE AND WHAT, WHAT CAN WE DO FROM A STANDPOINT TO MAKE THAT ROAD SAFER? OKAY.
RECENTLY THERE'VE BEEN MULTIPLE CAR ACCIDENTS ON, ON STRAUSBERG ROAD TO, UH, TOWARDS STRAUSBERG.
AND THEY'VE BEEN, UM, EH, I THINK THEY'VE BEEN CRITICAL ACCIDENTS.
NOT EVEN LIKE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT FENDER BENDERS, NO SERIOUS STUFF.
NO, IT'S, IT'S KINDA CRAZY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AREA AND IT'S 45 MILES PER HOUR, IF DEFINITELY NOBODY'S READING OR PAYING ATTENTION TO THE SPEED, BUT YEAH.
BUT THERE'S ALSO SPOTS THAT ARE 50 50, SO IT GETS IT LIKE THERE'S ALSO THIS ONE THING THAT WE CAN'T CONTROL.
YEAH, IT'S AT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE.
BUT I WAS JUST CURIOUS, IS, IS THAT, WAS THAT YOUR INITIATIVE OR THAT WAS V DOT'S INITIATIVE.
ELLEN, THE H SHIP PROJECT NOW ALL SMART SCALE PROJECTS OR DISCUSSED WITH YOUR STAFF.
AND, AND THE INPUT COMES FROM THE STAFF ON THE SPAR SCALE BIKES, THE SAME AS THE REVENUE SHARING H SHIP PROJECTS.
WE TRY TO, UH, DISTRIBUTE BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH H SHIP MONEY THAT COMES ABOUT EVERY SO OFTEN.
AND WE TRIED TO PICK THE ROADS THAT ARE, UH, YOU KNOW, CREATING THE MOST ISSUES FOR DRIVERS SAFETY.
WELL, THE REASON I'M ASKING IS IT CAN, I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU TO GET THAT SECTION FROM THE CAVERNS TO KOA AS PART OF AN H SIP BECAUSE POOF, THAT'S A, THAT'S ANOTHER BIG AREA FOR HIGHWAY SAFETY.
NOW THAT PORTION, THAT PARTICULAR PORTION, WE LOOKED IT UP YESTERDAY.
I MET WITH STAFF AND I THINK THAT'S ONE THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT FIRST APPLICATION FOR THIS YEAR.
IT'S ON, UH, IT'S ON THE, UH, BE TRANS, SO IT'S ELIGIBLE TO BE SUBMITTED.
WE NOT BEEN PUT INTO THE LOOP OF THAT MEETING AT ALL WHILE YOU MIGHT WANT TO ADDRESS THAT WITH YOUR STAFF.
I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK, SINCE I'M NEW TO THIS PROCESS, DO, DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY INPUT TO ANY PRIORITIES? ABSOLUTELY.
THE BOY HAS INPUT, BUT WE, AS A GENERAL RULE, YOU KNOW, THE BOARD BECAUSE THE BOARD HAS SO MANY SERVICES, DO THEY DEPEND ON THEIR STAFF? SO THE STAFF, THEY TELL THE STAFF WHAT, THEY'RE, WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
AND THEN THE STAFF WORKS WITH US.
HE TELL US, YEAH, WE CAN MEET WITH YOU ALL EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK AND TALK ABOUT THIS STUFF IF YOU WANT TO, BUT
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NOT JELLY.THAT'S NOT HOW IT'S DOING THE PRIORITY SYSTEM YET.
SO THERE'S, IS THERE ANY COMMUNICATION WITH THE BOARD, WITH OUR STAFF AND THE TYPE OF PRIORITIES THAT THEY'RE SETTING BEFORE IT GOES TO V.GIVES HER THAT INTEGRATION? THERE IS CIVIL WORK SESSIONS IN TERMS OF PRIORITIES.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE EVER HEARD OF IT.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A NEW, UM, BUT I'M GRATEFUL BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE THAT THE SAFETY, UH, ON STRAUSBERG ROAD IS COMPROMISED.
AND I THINK THAT OUT AT HIGH KNOB, IT'S COMPROMISED THERE AS WELL.
AND THEN THE, THE SECTION THAT, THAT CHAIRMAN COLOR'S REFERENCED IS AS WELL, UH, WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN IN MEETINGS ABOUT PRIORITY, AND THEN WE CREATED A SCALE TO PRIORITIZE, BUT I DON'T THINK WE EVER FINALIZED AND THAT'S, THAT IS FOR THE SIX YEAR PLAN, BUT I DON'T WANT TO TAKE OVER HERE, BUT ONE OF THE, LIKE THE 3 45, 22 SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH IS A SMART SCALE PROJECT, ONE OF THE ALLEGED MENTIONED FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS OUT OF ALLIANCE ROAD.
AND, AND WHEN WE MET, UM, IT WAS THE FIRST TIME I MET ALL SMART SCALE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, YOU'RE A BIG MATRIX PERSON.
THERE'S A LOT OF COMPUTER AND DATA ANALYSIS TRAPS.
UH, WHAT HAPPENS IS THE FIRST TIME WE LOOKED AT THAT FOUR LINES THROUGH SECTION ACCIDENTS, ANYHOW, UM, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST TIME IT WAS IN THERE, YOU KNOW, I WAS NEW TO SMART SCALE.
AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT SECTION OF ROAD, THAT RELIANCE ROBE, AND IN THAT LITTLE SECTION THERE, WHICH YOU CAN SEE, IT'S DANGEROUS, IT NEEDS IMPROVEMENT.
AND WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF INCREASE IN TRAFFIC, THE ACCIDENT DATA WASN'T THERE FOR THAT SECTION.
SO, YOU KNOW, I ACTUALLY ASKED THE QUESTION, CAUSE WE DID HAVE PROBLEMS OUT AT, YOU KNOW, ROCKLIN ROAD AND FAIRGROUND ROAD.
AND HEY, WHAT IF WE INCLUDE THE WHOLE SEGMENT? CAN WE THEN GET ACCIDENT DATA? SO WE DO HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
AND THEN WHEN WE SIT DOWN, WE TRY TO THINK OF WAYS THAT WE CAN MAKE THE PRIORITY THAT MIGHT NOT BE A PRIORITY IN THE COMPUTER OR WHAT THE TEAM THAT'S EVALUATING, THE, HOW CAN WE HELP MAKE THIS A PRIORITY? SO WHEN WE SIT DOWN, WE LOOK, OKAY, WELL FROM CROOKED RUN INTERSECTION, ALL THE WAY TO FAIRGROUNDS ROAD, IF WE INCLUDE THAT WHOLE SECTION, THEN WE MIGHT HAVE SOME SUBSTANTIAL CRASH DATA BECAUSE MOST OF THE CRASH HAS HAPPENED BEYOND THE ROAD OR BEFORE LANCE.
RIGHT? UNFORTUNATELY, SO IF YOU JUST TRIED TO JUST SAY, HEY, LET'S DO THIS SECTION.
SO SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, YOU THINK MAYBE THIS SMART SCALE SHOULD BE A LITTLE MORE OF, YOU KNOW, UM, SPECIFIC, BUT IT MIGHT NOT BE BECAUSE WE'RE ACTUALLY TRYING TO ACHIEVE YOUR GOAL.
BUT IF WE JUST LAY IT OUT THERE, LANCE ROAD, IT MIGHT NOT HAPPEN REFERENCING THE EXTENSION ON RELIANCE, THE LESS TERM, BECAUSE IT'S TOO SHORT.
AND I'M GOING TO TELL YOU SOMEBODY WHO'S GOING TO GET HIT IN THE REAR END.
SO I'M, I'M TRYING TO ANSWER MS. COOK'S QUESTIONS.
SO AS WE'RE YEAH, SO I, YOU KNOW, WE SIT IN A, I GUESS, AND JOE, MYSELF OR A TANTRUM, I THINK IT WAS VIRTUAL.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SO WE DO HERE, YOU KNOW, UM, THE BOARD'S PRIORITIES AND, AND WE ARE THINKING, YOU KNOW, HOW CAN WE WORK WITH THE V.TO, TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN? I KNOW TARYN'S BEEN MORE INVOLVED IN THE APPLICATION PROCESS THAN I HAVE.
WELL, WE HAVEN'T DECIDED ON ANY THAT ARE GOING TO BE SUBMITTED AND THE PRE-APPLICATION OPENS NEXT MONTH.
AND SO THOSE COME TO THE BOARD, LIKE FOR APPROVAL.
SO, BUT IT HAS, IT HAS TO MEET THE SMART SCALE CRITERIA.
SO OUR, OUR PLANNING STAFF WORKS WITH WARREN OR ALL THE LOCALITY STAFF.
REGIONAL COMMISSION CAN MAKE CERTAIN APPLICATIONS TOO.
AND THEN IF THERE'S AN MPO LIKE THEY HAVE IN FREDERICK COUNTY, THEY CAN DO APPLICATIONS AS WELL, BUT THEY TRY TO WORK FOR THESE LOCALITY DEFINED PROJECTS THAT WILL BE SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE LIMITED.
IS IT THREE, FOUR? I SHOULD KNOW.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE LIMITED TO A CERTAIN NUMBER OF APPLICATIONS THAT YOU CAN SUBMIT.
SO THEY TRY TO TAILOR THEM BECAUSE THERE'S A SWEET SPOT GENERALLY ON THE MONEY.
YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE A $20 MILLION PROJECT.
THAT'S, THEY'RE ONLY FUNDED $5 MILLION PROJECTS.
AND THEY HAVE TO LOOK AT ACCIDENT, DATA AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IMPACT, AND THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS.
SO THEY TRY TO TAILOR IT SO THAT YOUR APPLICATIONS THAT YOU DO PUT IN ARE SUCCESSFUL V.IS NOT ALLOWED TO, UH, REQUEST AS MUCH HE'LL PROJECT.
IT HAS TO COME FROM THE LOCALITY OR THE NORTHERN VIRGINIA REGIONAL PLANNING
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COMMISSION OR AN NPM.SO THAT'S WHY OUR, UH, OUR PLANNING STAFF, UH, NOT ONLY LOCALLY, BUT IN THE DISTRICT WORKS WITH MIKE AND HIS PEOPLE TO SEE WHAT THE PRIORITIES ARE AND MIKE'S GETTING HIS WELL, I'D LIKE TO FIND OUT HOW I GET IN THAT LOOP OF KNOWING WHAT THE PRIORITIES ARE BEFORE IT'S BEING SUBMITTED TO V DOT.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT MECHANISM THAT YOU HAVE, JUST LET ME KNOW, BECAUSE IT, BECAUSE I'LL HAVE THROUGH, WHAT IF, WHAT IF THERE SOMEONE IN THE FORK DISTRICT WANTS TO US TO DO SOMETHING TO A ROAD? NO, WE HAVE NOT HAD A MEETING FOR SINCE LAST YEAR WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD WANT TO KNOW, OKAY, DO I GO TO MIKE? DO I GO TO ED? YOU KNOW, I MEAN, SO I THINK THE WELL, UH, MIKE CAN GO ON ANY OF YOU OFTEN GO ONLINE.
IF YOU GET A REQUEST FOR A GIVEN ROAD WHERE YOU WANT TO GO MORE SMART SCALE AND SEE, FIRST OF ALL, WHETHER OR NOT THAT ROADIE WOULD QUALIFY BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO BE THERE TO BE TRAINED, TO BE QUALIFIED IT.
AND THERE IS A MAP THAT SHOWS YOU IN COLOR, WHICH RANGE IN WATER COUNTS ELIGIBLE FOR THAT.
EXCUSE ME, IF IT'S A V DOT QUESTION, I'D GO TO MIKE.
SO YOU'LL GET THE ANSWER FIRST AND I WON'T JUST RELAY IT.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING.
UM, AND SPEAKING OF SMART SCALE, BACK IN THE 20 18, 19 THROUGH 23, 24 PLAN, THE STOKES AIRPORT ROAD WAS ON THIRD ON THE LIST FOR PRIORITIZED UNFUNDED PROJECTS OF THE SMART SCALE.
WHERE, WHERE IS THAT NOW? CAUSE I DON'T SEE IT LISTED ON, IT HAS NOT BEEN SUBMITTED AS AN EXPORT STEEL PROJECT.
IT WILL NOT SCORE WELL ON THE V TRANS AS A VERY SMALL PORTION OF IT.
AND THE ONLY THING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE TRANS LIST AND LOOK AT ALL OF THE THINGS THAT QUALIFIES FOR TRASH IS THE ONLY THING.
THERE'S ONE SMALL PORTION OF IT THAT HITS SAFETY, WASN'T IT? AND THE TRASH.
AND SO, UH, IT WILL NOT SCORE WELL, BUT I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO TRY TO SUBMIT IT, YOU CAN, BUT IT JUST ISN'T.
SO THE PROCESS NOW IS THAT YOU WORK WITH STAFF TO FIGURE OUT HOW IT'S GOING TO SCORE.
I THINK THAT WAS RECOMMENDED BY MR. FOX.
I REMEMBER WHEN HE MENTIONED IT AND THEN WE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, THEN YOU GUYS GO BACK AND SCORE AND SCORE IT.
AND IF YOU THINK IT'S NOT GOING TO SCORE WELL, THEN WE DON'T SUBMIT AN APPLICATION BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE A WASTE OF ONE OF OUR SMART SCALE APPLICATIONS.
WE'VE GOT SPECIALISTS AT THE DISTRICT THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY, I FOCUS ON THE CHILD AND MAKE GAINS.
AND IF CORRECT ME WERE STAMPING WAS ONE OF THE MOST SUCCESSFUL, I THINK IN THAT WE DID WELL RIGHT WITH THAT.
WE, WE HAD 70 SOME APPLICATIONS AND WE GOT 20 SOME THAT MADE IT A 20 COUPLE THAT MADE IT, THAT THE THING ABOUT IT IS THAT, UH, YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH THE SMART SCALE ON A DAILY BASIS.
NOT ONLY TO KEEP UP WITH THE, UH, THE LITTLE, UH, UH, NUANCES.
WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR, WHAT THAT CENTRAL OFFICE SUPPLIES, BECAUSE YOU TAKE THOSE, YOU SEE WHAT OTHER PEOPLE SUBMIT ACROSS THE STATE, AND THEN YOU BEGIN TO VISUALIZE WHAT IS SUCCESSFUL.
AND THOSE ARE THE ONES YOU LOOK AT THIS PROJECT AND SAY, OKAY, IS THAT THAT FIT IN THE SNOW? IF IT DOES, IT'LL PROBABLY SCORE WELL.
AND ALSO KEEP IN MIND, THE SCORING CRITERIA HAS CHANGED THREE TIMES SINCE IT STARTED RIGHT.
AND I THINK THE FIRST ONES WERE WHAT, 2018, WHAT THEY ARE IN THAT, IN THAT TIMEFRAME.
SO THESE, THESE TWO GUYS, WE'VE ONLY GOT TWO OF THEM DOWN THERE AND BOTH OF THEM WORK TOGETHER.
AND SO WHEN WE HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT PARTICULAR SPONSOR FAILS, A PROJECT THAT THE BOARD'S THINKING ABOUT SUBMITTING.
IF WE GET AS MANY DETAILS AS POSSIBLE TO GIVE TO THEM, THEY CAN TELL US WHETHER OR NOT IT'S WORTH THE EFFORT.
AND THAT'S WHERE THEY WORK WITH MIKE AND HIS PEOPLE.
THIS IS MY THIRD YEAR ON THIS BOARD.
AND I, AND I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND ALL OF THIS.
WELL, YEAH, THIS IS MY 14TH YEAR AND I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND.
I THINK I'M GOING TO CREATE A LITTLE FLOW CHART FOR THE NEXT
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SUPERVISOR SITS IN THIS SEAT.HONESTLY, WHAT SHE GOT HERE, SHE WAS KIND OF A TOOL FOR US INTERNALLY JUST TO KEEP UP.
WELL, JUST ONE QUESTION ON THE, ON THE STUDY STOKES AIRPORT ROAD, BECAUSE IN 2018, WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT NEW FIRE DEPARTMENT SITTING THERE USING THAT ROAD MORE TO GET TWO PARTS OF THAT AREA OUT THERE.
WOULD THAT HAVE ANY IMPACT ONE THE RATING? UH, I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T THINK SO, BUT I, AGAIN, I CAN POST THAT QUESTION TO ADAM CAMPBELL WHO HANDLES THE WARREN COUNTY SMART SNAIL PRIMARILY, AND SEE, BUT MY GUESS IS NOW WHAT REALLY IMPACTS THE RULE AREAS AND SMART SCALE IS ACCIDENTS.
HEAVY VOLUME, WHETHER OR NOT ECONOMIC, YOU GET ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WHETHER ENCOURAGES ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OR GOES TO AN AREA THAT WANTS TO GET TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SOMEWHERE ELSE THAT HELPS IT.
UH, THE F THE AIRPORT WOULD PROBABLY IMPACT IT IF IT WERE A REALLY BUSY AIRPORT, LIKE THIS IS YOU'LL HAVE PASSENGER SERVICE GOING IN AND OUT OF IT TYPE THING.
BUT IF THAT'S A, IF THAT'S A PLAN THING, THEN THAT MAY IMPACT IT.
I DON'T KNOW OF ANY, UH, BATTLEFIELDS OR ANYTHING OUT IN THAT AREA.
UM, BECAUSE OF THE ACCIDENT, THE HIGH VOLUME AND THE ACCIDENTS AND STUFF.
I MEAN, I MEAN, IT HASN'T SCORED WELL YET.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO QUALIFIED WITH THE CONGESTION PROBLEM.
IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO GET DONE.
IT'S THE PRIMARY THOROUGHFARE FROM 66 TO FRONT-WHEEL DURING SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER, NOVEMBER DURING THAT LEAF SEASON.
AND IT IS A VERY NARROW, WELL, THAT WAS, WELL, LET ME JUST GIVE YOU A COMPARISON OF WHAT YOU'VE COMPETED.
YOU KNOW, I JUST, I GUESS ABOUT THREE, 4,000 CARS A DAY.
IF THAT VALLEY, BUT YOU COME, YOU TAKE THAT FOUR CONGESTION PROBLEM AND YOU STACK IT AGAINST ONE AND KNOW THAT THE VIRGINIA THAT HAS 150,000 CARS A DAY ON IT.
AND YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THE PEOPLE UP HERE LOOKING AT THE OVERALL PICTURE OR SAYING, WHERE DO I GET THE BIGGEST BANG FOR MY BUCK? WELL, IF THEY QUIT BUILDING A ROAD AND FIVE YEARS LATER TEARING IT ALL DOWN AND REDOING IT, WE'D HAVE MORE MONEY OUT HERE.
YOU GO DOWN THERE AND A MONTH LATER, YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU BEEN.
UM, I'M AFRAID YOU HAVE TO TRUST THAT WAS SOMEBODY ABOVE MY PAY GRADE.
I KNOW THAT THERE IS A MOVEMENT OF FOOT IN THE ASSEMBLY THAT THEY SEGREGATE THE RURAL AREAS FROM THESE HIGHLY CONGESTED AREAS, BECAUSE IN WHAT YOU JUST STATED, WE CAN'T COMPETE EVER.
I MEAN, SO HOW WILL WE EVER COMPETE FOR AND LUCKY WITH WHAT WE'VE GOT? RIGHT.
UH, BUT AGAIN, I'M NOT THE PERSON NEXT TO ME, PUT ME IN CHARGE.
THEY USED TO SAY, I KNOW WE HAVE ONLY TOUCHED A BRIEFING ILLNESS.
AND WHAT I LIKE TO DO IS AS SOON AS WE GET OUR FIGURES IN IS SET ASIDE A COUPLE OF HOURS WHEN WE CAN COME IN AND GO THROUGH THE NEW FIGURES AND WHAT THEY ARE, AND ANSWER MORE QUESTIONS AND TRY TO GET YOU MORE IN TUNE TO IT IN THE INTERIM.
IF YOU WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT SMART SCALE AND VETERANS, IT IS ONLINE.
I LOOKED AT IT YESTERDAY AND I WOULD TELL YOU THE TRUTH THAT I HAD TO MAKE HER CALL TWO OR THREE CALLS BEFORE I FULLY UNDERSTANDING WHAT IT WAS TELLING ME.
SO YOU MENTIONED YET, BUT OUR APPLICATION PROCESS USUALLY ROTATE YOURS WITH SMARTSCAPE AND REVENUE SHARE.
AND THERE ARE TWO YEAR APPLICATION, RIGHT? SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR YOUR THE NEXT YEAR, YOUR REVENUE SHARING HERE.
AND, AND AGAIN, WITH SMART SCALE, YOU WERE PROBABLY MORE INVOLVED IN THE PAST IN REGARDS TO ASSIST SYSTEMS. AND THEY CAN BE VERY CONFUSING WITH THE FUNDING AND WHERE IT COMES FROM.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DEBATE DIFFERENT THINGS AND WE DO IT'S IT, BUT WE ARE LISTENING TO WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.
WE SIT DOWN AND MEET WITH THEIR TECHNICAL EXPERTS.
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WHAT CAN WE DO TO MAKE WHAT YOU WANT TO HAVE HAPPEN OR MOVE ON? WILL THAT PROBABLY LIST IN THE RANKING BASED ON THE INFORMATION OF BEHALF? WELL, I, I DEFINITELY THINK WE KNOW NEED TO BE IN, IN THE LOOP, AS YOU SAY, OH, I WILL SAY THAT YOUR STAFF WATCH WORTH IS VERY WELL.AND CONVEYING WHAT YOU ALL HAVE.
UH, IF YOU NEED TO CONVEY MORE TO THEM, THEN THEY CAN CARE ABOUT YOU MORE.
IT'S, UH, IT'S A NEVER ENDING ONE, BUT BECAUSE THE RULES CHANGE AS DIFFICULT.
IF YOU START UNDERSTANDING IT JUST GOT TO CHANGE.
UH, IF YOU ALL, EXCUSE ME, I HAVE ANOTHER, YES, NO, WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
AND I WILL GET WITH MIKE, AS SOON AS THE NEW BUDGET FIGURES COME OUT, I'M ANTICIPATING THEM WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS ANYWAY.
AND WE'LL SET UP A TIME TO ANOTHER WORK SESSION WHERE WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING PLANNED OUT.
AND PRIOR TO THAT, IF WE COULD GET TOGETHER SO THAT WE'RE, WE UNDERSTAND, AND THAT MEETING IS MORE PRODUCTIVE THAT WAY.
MAYBE WE WANT TO DO THAT FROM HERE, BACK THERE, WHICH IS GOOD FOR WHERE WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE? I DOESN'T DOESN'T MATTER.
THAT'S THE CAUCUS ROOM IS FINE.
CAN WE EAT? SORRY, BUT I'M ON A SCHEDULE.
WELL, THE WORK SESSION IS NOW.
UM, I GUESS I DIDN'T CALL IT TO ORDER, SO WE'RE READY FOR A GERMAN.
I MOVED TO ADJOURN ALL IN FAVOR, MUCH ELVIS.
SO, AND ONLY A FEW OF US RIGHT NOW.