[Town/County Liaison Committee Meeting on March 3, 2022.]
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THURSDAY, MARCH 3RD FLIGHT, TO SEE EVERYONE HERE TONIGHT AND OUR GUESTS AS WELL, WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE EVERYONE HEARD TONIGHT.SO IF WE COULD RAISE OUR HANDS PICK TURNS SO THAT NOBODY'S TALKING OVER TOP TURN AND DISCUSS THIS WITHOUT A LOT OF SPEAKING OVER TOP OF EACH OTHER, FOR THE CONTRACTORS THAT ARE HERE, MARTHA HAD REACHED OUT EARLIER TODAY.
I ASKED IF WE COULD GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY.
WE DON'T USUALLY DO THAT IN THESE LIAISON MEETINGS.
SO WHAT I WANT TO DO IS SEND AROUND THE PAPER AND IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, WRITE THEM DOWN IN HAND UP THE BACK AND WE'LL DO OUR BEST TO GET THOSE ANSWERED.
WELL, IF YOU THIS TIME, YOU WANT TO GO AROUND THE ROOM.
SHE MAY KNOW EVERYBODY, BUT JUST IN CASE YOU WANT TO START, JUST INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
SUPERVISOR ROUTES, COUNSELOR, SUPERVISOR COLORS, SUBURBIA DISTRICT, SORRY, MAYOR COUNCILWOMAN MORRIS.
WE HAVE STAFF HERE FIRST ON THE LIST IS BUILDING CODES AND ENVIRONMENTAL DISCUSSIONS.
YOU, I BELIEVE, UM, THERE WAS JUST A FEW THINGS WAS, UM, 10 YEARS.
UM, AND ANOTHER, UH, I BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS A, UH, ANY CONFLICT, BUT DURING THAT TIME THAT, UH, YOU WOULD HAVE TO UH UM, SO WE FEEL IF IT WAS GOING TO BE A PARTNERSHIP I WOULD, OF COURSE HAVE TO BE INVOLVED.
I THINK THAT JUST GIVES, UM, OUR STAFF AND OUR CONTRACTORS, A FEELING OF CONFIDENCE THAT, THAT WE WE'RE GOING TO WORK TOGETHER FOR THEM AMOUNT OF TIME VERSUS NOTHING, NO TIME HERE, YOU KNOW, IN ANOTHER YEAR OR SEVENTH GRADE THINGS BE DIVIDED BACK OUT AGAIN.
SO I THINK IT JUST GIVES THEM A FEELING OF WHERE AT LEAST FOR 10 YEARS, THERE'S AN AGREEMENT HERE THAT EVERYBODY'S GOING TO WORK WELL TOGETHER.
AND WHAT HAVE YOU PROVIDE SOME BACKGROUND ON WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? BECAUSE I THINK NOT EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE REFERENCING.
SO THIS AGREEMENT CAME ABOUT AS A RESULT OF THE DISCUSSION THAT HOW THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY ARE WORKING TOGETHER WITH THE BUILDING OFFICIAL AND IN THE BUILDING CODE PROCESS.
SO CAN ONE OF THE ADMINISTRATORS SPEAK TO THE BACKGROUND BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM UNDERSTANDS WHAT THIS DOCUMENT IS.
CAUSE I THINK YOU HAVE A LOT OF DEER IN THE HEADLIGHTS.
WELL, THE WHOLE, YEAH, THE 10 YEAR THE PUBLIC DOESN'T I DON'T THINK KNOW ABOUT THE 10 YEAR OKAY.
LET'S NOT GET OUT OF CONTROL RIGHT OUT OF THE BOX.
WOULD IT BE BEST IF I READ THIS OR SOMEONE READ IT? CAN WE BACK UP JUST A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE, UM, YEAH, SO HERE'S WHAT I WAS THINKING.
WE WERE, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE RECEIVED THIS, UM,
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THIS AGREEMENT LAST NIGHT IN OUR EMAIL, I, WHAT I WAS THINKING IS WHEN WE MET A FEW WEEKS AGO, LITERALLY, IF YOU WOULD SCARE THE FIRST, THE FIRST WORK SESSION WE HAD ABOUT THIS, UM, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT WHAT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE GOT TOGETHER WITH THE COUNTY AND JUST DISCUSS THIS.SO I WANT TO BACK UP EVEN FURTHER WHEN CONCERNS STARTED COMING TO THE TOWN, UM, AND CONCERN CERTAINLY TO THE TOWN FROM CITIZENS, NOT AS BUILDERS, DEVELOPERS TO CITIZENS IN GENERAL, ABOUT THE PROCESS AND THE EFFICIENCY OF THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
AND THAT'S WHAT I GUESS, PUT EVERYBODY ON THE THOUGHT OF THE RADAR.
AND THAT'S WHAT GOT THE TOWN WHERE WHEN THE COURT'S DOING THEIR OWN, I THINK THAT'S, I THINK I'M SPEAKING CORRECTLY.
SO REALLY THE TRUTH IS WE SHOULD HAVE HAD THIS MEETING, THEN WE SHOULD HAVE HAD THIS DISCUSSION, LIKE SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT LIKE, WHAT ARE THE CONCERNS? AND, YOU KNOW, ARE THE CONCERNS VALID? DO, IS THERE A WAY TO MAKE THIS MORE EFFICIENT? WHAT'S THE PROCESS, ALL THOSE THINGS.
AND SO A FEW WEEKS AGO WHEN WE WERE TALKING, AND THEN THERE WAS LOTS OF CONCERN ABOUT US, ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON AT THAT POINT.
THAT'S WHEN I REMEMBER, AND I WAS LIKE, WE SHOULD PROBABLY GET TOGETHER WITH COUNTY AND TALK ABOUT THIS.
SO I KNOW THAT THEN LAST WEEK WE TALKED AGAIN, UH, OR AT LEAST THE TOWN THAT TALKED AGAIN AT A WORK SESSION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY JUST FOREGOING WHAT WE WERE DOING WITH THE TOWN AND SENDING IT BACK TO THE CAMP.
SO, SO I JUST WANT TO SAY ONE THING, WELL, TWO THINGS, ONE WHEN THIS FIRST STARTED, I WASN'T NECESSARILY IN FAVOR OF THIS, JUST START.
HOWEVER, IT WAS THE INPUT OF PEOPLE, SHARING CONCERNS ABOUT THE LENGTH OF THINGS TAKING AND UM, THOSE TYPES OF, AND WE CAN ALL SHARE THOSE STORIES ON A COUNCILMAN OR SHARE ONE ON STREAMING, BANDED, DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND I'VE BEEN HEARING THINGS THROUGHOUT THE PEOPLE SHARING WITH US, BUT AT THAT POINT, THAT'S WHAT GOD, THAT'S WHAT GOT PEOPLE MOVING TOWARDS THIS.
I THINK BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT GREENLAND OR WHERE IT'S GOING OR WHATEVER, I THINK WE, I THINK WE WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE, WE WOULD BE REMISSED TO NOT AT LEAST DISCUSS, LIKE, WHAT ARE THE CONCERNS AND HOW CAN WE IMPROVE THE PROCESS AND THE EFFICIENCY, BECAUSE, AND THIS IS THE BEST ANALOGY I CAN MAKE IS WE OPENED UP A CAN OF WORMS, RIGHT? WE DID, WE HAVE THE CAMERAS, BUT IF WE JUST PUT THE LID BACK ON, WE CAN AND SEND IT BACK TO THE COUNTY WITHOUT EVER TESTING HOW WE GOT TO THE PLACE WE WERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE TELLING ALL THE PEOPLE WHO JOINED US, THEY HAD CONCERNS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE JUST DISMISSED IT AND YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S ALL, I JUST, FROM A STAFF I'D LIKE TO SEE US TALK ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT CAN WE DO TO IMPROVE IT WITHOUT JUST LEAVING IT THE WAY IT WAS? THAT'S ALL DEFINITELY.
AND NOT ONLY THAT, AT THE END OF OUR LAST MEETING, WE DISCUSSED HAVING TO TAKE IT OVER, YOU KNOW, LONG-TERM FOREVER.
I THINK WHAT WE DISCUSSED WAS THEM TAKING IT BACK OVER TO GO.
THERE CAME A POINT IN TIME WHERE WE COULD OPERATE OUR OWN DEPARTMENT EFFICIENTLY.
SO, UM, THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S WHY WE ONLY THINK WE NEED THIS DISAGREEMENT RIGHT NOW.
UM, SHOULD WE JUST, DON'T THE BOARD DISCUSSION, LET'S START BY SAYING AGAIN.
I'M GLAD EVERYBODY'S HERE TONIGHT.
UM, TO, UM, AGAIN, I, I FEEL THE SAME WAY VICE MAYOR PROPER FEELS THAT THERE'S SOME ISSUES HERE THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS.
AND I KNOW ME AND DELORES, WE SPOKE ABOUT IT AND I'M SURE Y'ALL SEEN MY SPIEL ON THE NEWS BROADCASTER OR THE TOWN COUNCIL.
AND LET ME START BY SAYING, I KNOW MR. BEANS IN HIS ROOM SOMEWHERE.
AND I PARTLY STAND BY THAT PROBLEM IS, AND, AND I, THE MAN NEEDS HELP.
UM, THERE IS A LOT OF ISSUES THERE.
UM, THE HALL BUILDING, NOT BUILDING THE HALF, BUT REMODELED THE HOUSE.
UM, SPECTRE COMES IN, PUTS FRUITFUL IT.
I GO BY THE LOOK HE'S STILL GOT LEAKS UP THERE THAT I HAVEN'T GOT THE CHANCE TO GO BACK AND FIX YET, BUT THEN HE WAS COMPLETELY WRONG.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF PEOPLE ARE IN OUR TOWN AND COMMUNITY ARE GETTING APPROVALS FOR, FOR THIS, UM, WE NEED TO TAKE A HARD LOOK AT SOME OF THAT.
UM, THE KIND OF THE ISSUE FOR, FOR PLANS REVIEW AND THAT SORT OF THING.
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WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE.ALL OF US SAT DOWN AND TALKED ABOUT.
UM, I KNOW, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN HERE FOR FOUR YEARS AND EVERY TIME WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE, THE, THE USING THE INNER GOV, UM, YOU KNOW, SOFTWARE, YOU KNOW, AND NOW, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT THE TOWN TO PAY 25% OF IT.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE MORE OF US TO PUT IN TO HELPING IMPROVE THINGS THAT YOU CAN FOLLOW HER ON THING.
AND THAT WAS WHAT I SAID THE OTHER NIGHT.
IF, IF THE TOWN CAN PUT AN INSPECTOR THERE TO HELP MR. BEAN, YOU KNOW, I'D BE WILLING TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
AND I'M NOT SURE HOW ALL THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS FEEL ABOUT THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMEBODY THERE WHO, WHO CAN ADDRESS AN ISSUE.
AND IF MR. BEAN NEEDS HIM, HE CAN BE ABLE TO PULL HIM AND PULL HIM OUT AND, AND, AND HAVE OTHER THINGS.
UM, JUST FROM WHAT I SEE WITH IT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE IS, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S SOME ISSUES THAT WE NEED TO GET SOLVED.
UM, IT SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE INNER GOV AND THE INSPECTION ONE ASPECT OF IT.
WHEN, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DROPPING THE BALL WITH THEM ON THE REAL JOB AT HAND AT THIS TIME.
UM, AND SO I, I HEARD SOME OF THE SAME THINGS ABOUT THE, THE TIMELINE WITH THE, THE, UM, APPROVAL OF WORK AND SUCH.
AND, YOU KNOW, I TOOK THAT ON FACE VALUE AND SAW OURSELVES AS SOLVING A PROBLEM FOR TOWN RESIDENTS, BUT ALSO POTENTIALLY FOR THE COUNTY.
SO I DIDN'T PERCEIVE ANYTHING TO BE A TIP IN OUR, TRYING TO TAKE THIS RESPONSIBILITY ON OURSELVES.
AND, UM, BUT WHAT WE FOUND WAS WHEN WE ATTEMPTED TO DO IT, THAT THE PRICING STRUCTURE WAS OUT OF WHACK.
BUT ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THE PRICING STRUCTURE WAS OUT OF WHACK WAS BECAUSE WE, WE WERE TRYING TO, UM, PASS ON TO THE BUILDERS, THE TRUE COST OF WHAT THE, THE, UH, THE OFFICE WOULD COST.
AND ONE OF THE REASONS THAT ARE THE NUMBERS THAT WE WERE PUTTING FORWARD WERE SO MUCH HIGHER THAN WHAT WAS, WHAT PEOPLE WERE GETTING AT THE COUNTY IS BECAUSE THE COUNTY IS NOT TRUE, IS NOT CHARGING THE TRUE COST OF THE DEPARTMENT, UM, TO, THROUGH, TO THE, UH, PERMIT FEES.
AND SO, OR IN ANOTHER WORD, ANOTHER WAY TO SAY IT IS THAT THE, THE FEES, THE FEE STRUCTURE DOES NOT PAY FOR THE OFFICE.
SO APPARENTLY I'M HAVING TO BE CORRECTED IF I'M WRONG, BUT FROM WHAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THE COUNTY IS SUPPLEMENTING OUT OF ITS GENERAL FUND, UM, THE COST OF THE, OF THE OFFICE.
AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S GOING TO, THAT'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE IF WE'RE EVER GOING TO BREAK THAT OFF AND TRY AND TAKE IT ON OURSELVES.
I MEAN, BASICALLY THERE'S REALLY NO INCENTIVE FOR US TO TAKE, TAKE ON, YOU KNOW, AN EXTRA BURDEN AS THE TOWN GROWS.
IT COULD GET, IT'S JUST GOING TO GET LARGER AND LARGER.
UM, BUT HOW COULD WE EVER DO THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO, IF WE'RE GOING TO TRY IT, IF WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR IT WITH OUR FEE STRUCTURE AND THE COUNTY IS NOT.
AND SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS DISCUSSION RAISED TWO ISSUES, WHETHER THE COUNTY IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT, NOT PAY FOR THE OFFICE AND THEIR FEE STRUCTURE, AND, YOU KNOW, WHETHER, WHETHER IT'S WHAT EXTENT THE TOWN OR THE TOWN CAN STEP IN AND HELP OFFLOAD SOME OF THE BURDEN THAT'S CURRENTLY ON THE, ON THE CURRENT OFFICE.
AND I THINK LONG-TERM, THE TOWN'S THINKING IS, IS ESSENTIALLY, UM, AND SO WE CAN HAVE THIS DISCUSSION AND COME UP WITH A GAME PLAN THAT THAT MAKES SENSE FOR EVERYBODY.
UM, THOSE RESPONSIBILITIES GO BACK TO THE CALENDAR, BUT WE SHOULD HAVE A SERIOUS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SENTENCE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ISSUES THAT I DISCUSSED, BUT I THINK THAT LONG-TERM OR MEDIUM TERM EVENTUALLY WE LIKED FOR THE TALENT TO, TO EITHER BE SUPPLEMENTING THE, UH, THE COUNTY OFFICE IN SOME WAY, OR BREAK OFF AND HAVE OUR HAVE OUR OWN OFFICE, BUT ONE THAT WORKS VERY CLOSELY WITH THE COUNTY.
JUST YOU COMMENT AND FOLLOW ON WHAT COUNSELOR SAID IN TERMS OF THAT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN WHEN IT'S SUBSIDIZED? SO IF A COUNTY BUILDING PERMANENT IS BEING, UM, YOU KNOW, USE OR TAKEN OUT OR WHATEVER, FOR A COUNTY NEW BUILDING, THE TOWN CITIZENS ALSO SUBSIDIZING NOT BECAUSE WE'RE TAXED BY THE COUNTY.
SO IT'S NOT JUST LIKE THE COUNTY CITIZENS ARE SUBSIDIZING OR COUNTY BUILD-OUTS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, WHERE THE TOWN IS
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SUBSIDED FOR THAT AS WELL.SO THERE'S, THERE SEEMS TO BE, YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT THIS DOUBLE TAXATION, YOU KNOW, SUCH AND SUCH A HAPPENS BETWEEN THE COUNTY, THE TOWN OF REDUNDANCIES.
AND IN SOME WAYS I WAS REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS AS A WAY TO BREAK APART FROM THAT REDUNDANCY, BUT TO ECHO THE SENTIMENT OF CAN OF WORMS HERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE, WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WE DIDN'T KNOW.
AND WHEN YOU FIND OUT HOW MUCH, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THAT, AND I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT PERCENTAGE IS, BUT I'VE HEARD IT'S IN THE RANGE OF 60 TO 80% SUBSIDIZED BY THE GENERAL FUND.
I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S A CONCERN, UM, FOR THOSE OF US WHO ARE REPRESENTING COUNT'S CITIZENS.
SO I HOPE THAT THAT CLARIFIES A LITTLE BIT ON THAT KENNEDY AND THE SUPERVISOR SPEAK TO HOW MUCH DOLLAR AMOUNT I LOOKED INTO IT A LITTLE BIT, BUT, UM, IN FRONT OF THEIR ANSWER, I WAS TOLD BY SOMEBODY FORMALLY IN THE COUNTY, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S SUBSIDIZED AND THE TUNE TO A DOLLAR AMOUNT OF ABOUT $300,000.
DOES THAT SOUND RIGHT? 300,000, APPROXIMATELY.
SO IS THAT UNUSUAL BECAUSE I'VE TRIED TO COMPARE OUR, WHAT WE'RE CHARGING WITH THE COUNTY, OTHER COUNTIES, AND WE'RE NOT UNDER, OR WE'RE NOT THAT FAR BELOW WHAT OTHER COUNTIES ARE CHARGING.
SO IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THAT'S A STANDARD BUSINESS PRACTICE AMONG ALL COMPANIES.
IS THAT, AM I INCORRECT? NO, WE'RE NOT.
UM, IT IS MOST COUNTIES, NOT ALL, UH, AND CITIES, UH, DO SUBSIDIZE THAT BECAUSE THEY WANT TO PROMOTE DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH IN THE COMMUNITY.
UM, WE ARE LOOKING AT OUR FEES AND SOMETIME IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR, ANTICIPATE THAT WE WILL PROBABLY BE ADJUSTING THOSE.
AND WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY ADJUSTMENTS WITH THIS BUDGET THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT NOW.
UM, THE 1983 AGREEMENT SAID THAT THE COUNTY WOULD PROVIDE THE SERVICE FOR THE TOWN.
THE, UH, WHEN THE TOWN COUNCIL REVOKED THAT LAST JUNE, THEN THE LETTER FROM THE TOWN TO THE COUNTY.
SO THAT, THAT IS NOW REPEALED.
SO THAT IS NO LONGER IN EFFECT AND I COULD BE WRONG, BUT THEY SAID THIS LAST TIME, THE FEES WERE CHANGED IN 2009.
IS THAT IT'S ALSO BOTH, RIGHT? SOMEBODY THOUGHT IT WAS 2012, SO 13 YEARS.
SO IN 13 YEARS THAT THESE HAVEN'T CHANGED AT ALL, NO MAJOR CHANGES.
THERE MAY BE SOME LITTLE CHANGES, BUT THAT'S APPROXIMATELY A DOZEN YEARS AGO.
AND THE 25% FOR THAT IS WHAT YOUR ORIGINAL AGREEMENT WAS.
WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS A LOT OF YEARS.
YOU KNOW, MY POINT IS, IS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT THAT, YOU SHOULD HAVE WORRIED ABOUT, NO, I AGREE WITH YOU.
I MADE ME I'M, THAT'S, THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE WHEN YOU SWITCH AND TOOK OVER THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS, YOU TOLD US YOU WERE NO LONGER PARTICIPATING IN INNER GALVIN.
WE GOING TO HAVE A NEW SYSTEM, WHICH MEANT THE COUNTY NOW HAD ALL OF THAT.
SO THAT'S PART OF INSPECTIONS.
IF YOU WERE TO MAKE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE BOARD TO SEND THE INSPECTIONS BACK, WE WANT TO KNOW THAT INNER GOV WAS GOING TO BE INCLUDED.
SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET STUCK OUT THERE.
AND, AND MR. DALEY, I THINK DR.
DALEY, I THINK THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR YOU UNLESS YOU HAD THE SUPERVISOR'S NOTE.
SO THAT PREDATES MY TIME ON COUNCIL.
WHEN WE ORIGINALLY HAD THE AGREEMENT OF PEG 25% OF THE INNER GOV, AND THEN WE WITHDREW FROM THAT, DOES THAT MEAN THE COUNTY ABSORB THAT EXTRA 25% OF THE COST AND WHERE WE'RE IN THE, LIKE, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WITHOUT RAISING COSTS, I'M TRYING TO SHOW HOW THE COUNTY 25% TO ME, AND I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBERS OF THE INNER GOV, IF ANYBODY HAS THOSE, I APPRECIATE THEM.
SOUNDS LIKE, WELL, THE $8,000, YOU JUST DID THAT TWO MONTHS AGO.
SO THE AMOUNT IN THERE IS $8,000 YESTERDAY.
I THINK THE EXPIRATION UNTIL MAY, THAT'S WHAT IT WAS.
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ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS TOPIC FROM THE CONTRACTORS? WHAT IS THE TIMELINE TO BE ABLE TO PULL PROMINENCE? I'M NOT SURE WHO ASKED THAT QUESTION.DID YOU MEAN THAT FOR GETTING BACK WITH THE COUNTY OR THE ANSWER THAT YET, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE.
SO WHERE, WHERE ARE WE? I MEAN, WE NEED TO MAKE ANOTHER TIME TO GET BACK TOGETHER OR EVERYONE, OR A CUP OF BOARD.
I KIND OF LIKE EVERYONE, A HASSLE, BUT THAT WAY EVERYONE GETS TO HEAR THE SAME THING AT THE SAME TIME, VERSUS THE WAY WE USED TO DO WE'RE TOO.
THERE'S NOTHING CAN BECOME, SO TIM RECOLORS, ARE WE NOT GOING TO MAKE A DECISION ON THIS TONIGHT? BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A SENSE OF URGENCY IN THIS ROOM THAT THESE FOLKS NEED TO DO BUSINESS AND WE, AND THEY'RE BEING HELD UP BY THEIR GOVERNMENT.
AND SO SOMEBODY NEEDS TO SAY, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THIS DIRECTION AND THIS DIRECTION WE'RE GOING TO MOVE.
AND IT'S UP TO US AS THE LEADERS TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
AND I HEAR, I DON'T THINK YOU SHARED WITH ME, BUT I THINK THAT THERE'S A SENSE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S CONSENSUS, BUT IF, YOU KNOW, CARP FOR THE FOREST OR WHATEVER YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE MOVED INTO THIS THING.
WE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE IMPLICATIONS, SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'VE NOW DISCOVERED, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT QUITE EQUIPPED TO HAVE A BILLING DEPARTMENT QUITE YET.
IT PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE TAKEN ABOUT 16 DAYS A MONTHS TO IMPLEMENT.
SO YOU KIND OF THINK YOU SPED IT UP IMPLEMENTED A LITTLE TOO QUICKLY, DIDN'T THINK THROUGH ALL THE PROCESSES, UNFORTUNATELY, AND ALL IN ALL THE UNKNOWN UNKNOWNS.
SO, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE WAS AN OBJECTION TO MAYBE THE TIMELINE ON THIS MOA.
I THINK THE MAYOR RAISED THAT.
UM, BUT I DID NOTICE ALSO IN THE SAME WAY THAT THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT REINFORCE, I GOT TWO CONVERSATIONS GOING AND ST.
JOHN AND I CAN'T DO IT, BUT THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO RENEGOTIATE THIS, YOU KNOW, UM, WITH, WITH AGREED WITH US, AGREEING TO THEN SAY, OKAY, WE'RE READY.
COUNT COUNTING FRONT OF IS NOW READY TO IMPLEMENT THIS AND THAT.
I THINK IF THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY AND I THINK IT WAS IN HERE AND I READ IT, UM, TO ALLOW FOR THAT, AND WE'RE SAYING WE COULD TAKE UP TO 10 YEARS, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO TAKE THAT LONG AND WE COULD GO BACK.
AND ONCE WE'RE READY TO IMPLEMENT IS THAT, IS THAT I READ IT RIGHT? I READ IT WAS A 60 DAY.
UM, THIS AGREEMENT SHALL CONTINUE AND TELL 1, 1 20, 30, 2 OR 60 DAYS AFTER WRITTEN, THOSE IS PROVIDED.
IS THERE TWO COPIES OF THAT? OR WHERE DID YOU READ THAT ON NUMBER FIVE.
THERE'S TWO COFFEES GOING AROUND THEM BECAUSE MY NUMBER FIVE DOES NOT SAY THAT MY NUMBER FIVE, THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS SAYS.
IT DOES NOT SAY EMAIL IT TO ME TONIGHT, BUT THIS IS THE PROBLEM.
THIS I'M SORRY, I WE'LL WAIT A SECOND.
CAN WE GET, I HAVE ANOTHER ONE.
I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WERE DIFFERENCES.
I COMPARED THEM SIDE BY SIDE, BUT THIS IS PART OF THE PROBLEM.
WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT INFORMATION.
THEN I KNOW I HAVE ONE, BUT I HAD TO GIVEN THAT YOU HAD TWO, WE BOTH HAVE EMAIL TO US IN THE PACKET, WHICH IS THE ONE THAT SAID YOU GET, OR 60 DAYS WRITTEN NOTICE THAT PROVIDED THE TOWN BECAUSE ALL THE TIME, THIS WOULD ALLOW US TO, YOU KNOW, ROLL IT BACK, ALLOW THE BUILDERS TO DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO.
WE CAN FIGURE OUT, I KNOW SOME OF THEM ARE ANXIOUS TO GET THEIR FEES BACK, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE A, YOU KNOW, AS SOON AS WE CAN GET THIS BACK TO THE COUNTY AND DEAL WITH THOSE THINGS, AND THEN WE CAN, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE THE PROCESS THAT WE ARE MOVING TOWARDS, BUT DO IT IN A MORE MEASURED PACE.
AND THEN AT THAT POINT, WHEN YOU'RE READY, THEN ROLL IT OUT.
AND I THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A CONSENSUS THAT WE COME TO, BUT THAT SEEMED TO BE WHAT THIS SETTING IN READING THAT NUMBER FIVE WONG.
UM, SO I'LL JUST PUT THAT OUT THERE THAT I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS BASED ON, YOU KNOW, THE OPPORTUNITY TO THEN COME BACK INTO AGREEMENT TO THEN ROLL OUT OUR, OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT IN A MEASURED FASHION.
UM, JOE, DOES THAT MEAN YOU THINK I'M SORRY, COUNCILMAN DEPENDENCE.
I MEAN, YOU THINK WE COULD BE READY WITHIN 60 DAYS TO REPORT THAT IT'S AT 60 DAYS, THEN WE HAVE 60 DAYS NOTICE TO TELL THEM THAT WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO, WE'RE READY TO ROLL OUT OUR, SO THAT COULD BE THREE YEARS FROM NOW.
IT COULD BE 18 MONTHS FROM NOW.
IT COULD BE SEVEN YEARS FROM NOW.
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT IS IN THAT 10 YEAR TIMEFRAME.
WE WOULD GIVE THEM 60 DAYS NOTICE.
AND THEN THAT WOULD GIVE US THAT TIMEFRAME TO THEN, OKAY, NOW THIS IS THE WRONG ONE.
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LOOK ON THE BACK PAGE.I ALSO WANT TO JUST THANK THE COUNTY REAL QUICK FOR THIS REALLY QUICK TURNAROUND ON THIS, THE COPY WITH THE 60 DAYS.
AND IT MA'AM, AND THIS CAME FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY AND COUNTY ATTORNEY, BUT IT SAYS UNTIL THE LATER OF 1, 1 20 32 OR AFTER WRITTEN NOTICE IS PROVIDED BY THE TOWN 60 DAYS.
SO THE INTENTION WAS WHAT MR. HAM HAD IN MIND WAS THAT THIS WOULD BE IN EFFECT FOR 10 YEARS OR ANY LONGER, BUT ANY TIME AFTER 10 YEARS, THE TOWN COULD SAY, WE'RE GOING TO DROP THIS IN 60 DAYS.
I THOUGHT IT WAS MORE LIKE A RENTAL AGREEMENT.
LIKE IF THEY GET A 30 DAYS NOTICE BEFORE YOU VACATE, NOW THAT WAS SOMETHING ELSE.
SO I DON'T KNOW, LIKE I SAID, READING IT AND IT SAID, THIS IS WHAT TIME SAYS, LET'S JUST DOUBLE CHECK WHAT EVERYBODY'S, THIS AGREEMENT SHALL CONTINUE UNTIL THE LATTER OF 1, 1 20, 30, 2 OR 60 DAYS AFTER WRITTEN.
AND THIS IS PROVIDED BY THE TAIL.
SO I GET IN BED OR A LADDER RIGHT THERE.
SO, I MEAN, I GUESS WE COULD ASK HIS INTENT AND THEN WE'LL VERIFY THAT, BUT COULD WE CHANGE THE WORD UNLESS MAY I MAKE ONE, I'M SORRY, MAY I MAKE A COMMENT? I THINK THAT THE INTENT AND THE, OF THIS DOCUMENT IS TO PROVIDE SOME STABILITY TO THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM WHO DO BUSINESS IN OUR COUNTY.
I, SO SOMETIMES GOVERNMENT DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THAT THE DECISIONS WE MAKE IMPACT PEOPLE'S REAL LIFE BUSINESSES AND THEIR REAL, AND THEIR ABILITY TO PROFIT.
AND WE'RE SITTING HERE ARGUING OVER A DOCUMENT WHILE PEOPLE AREN'T ABLE TO GET THEIR, THEIR BUILDING PERMITS AND THE THINGS THEY NEED TO DO DONE AND CONFIRMED TO PEOPLE.
I, I HAVE TO SAY TO YOU, THIS IS THE LEAST OF OUR PROBLEMS. WE NEED TO SIT DOWN AND SAY, WE'RE GOING TO AGREE TO THIS 10 YEARS HAS TO BE THE LENGTH OF TIME OR SOME SUBSTANTIAL WEIGHT AT THE TIME.
SO THEY DON'T HAVE THE RUG PULLED OUT FROM A NEUROMA AGAIN.
AND IN SIX MONTHS WE NEED THE HA IT CANNOT HAPPEN LIKE THAT.
WE HAVE TO BE EFFICIENT AND STABLE.
AND THAT'S WHAT THIS DOCUMENT I THINK IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE STABILITY.
I THINK MR. WICK HAD HIS HAND UP FIRST, WELL, TO THE POINT, UH, TO THE STABILITY POINT, I THINK WE, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE JUST HAD AN AGREEMENT PUT BEFORE US THAT DEFAULTED RIGHT BACK TO WHERE WE WERE BEFORE WE, BEFORE WE CREATED THE TOWN, CREATED A BUILDING, UM, OFFICE.
THERE'S A DIFFERENT, NO DISRESPECT TO ANYBODY, BUT YOU'RE IN A DIFFERENT POSITION.
NOW, AS THE TOWN IN 1983, YOUR POPULATION WAS LESS THAN 14,000 STATE LAW SAYS THAT COMMUNITIES UNDER 3,500, THAT THE COUNTY MUST PROVIDE THE SERVICE.
AND IT WAS WRITTEN FOR FRONT ROYAL YEARS AGO.
THEY KNOW THAT A VERY PERFECTLY WELL, IT WAS UP TO 14,000 POPULATION THAT THE COUNTY WOULD PROVIDE THE SERVICE.
IT SAYS AFTER 14,000 THAT THE LA COUNTY TOWN IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SERVICE, OR THEY MAY CONTRACT WITH ANOTHER JURISDICTION TO PROVIDE IT.
SO THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHERE WE WERE.
AND WHEN THE NOTICE WE RECEIVED SAID THAT IN JUNE, THE TOWN DECLARED THE 1983 AGREEMENT, MELLON BULLET, THEY REPEALED IT.
WELL, I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS STRUCTURE WISE AND OPERATIONS WISE, I THINK WE'RE COMING BACK AND WE'RE ASKING TO CONTRACT WITH YOU AGAIN TO PROVIDE THE SAME SERVICES THAT EXISTED JUST TWO MONTHS AGO.
WELL, I THINK WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO FOR OUR CONTRACTORS IS GIVE THEM A SENSE OF SECURITY THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO FLIP, SWAP BACK AND FORTH ON THIS, YOU KNOW, ON A YEARLY BASIS OR WHATEVER.
AND, YOU KNOW, 10 YEARS, FIVE YEARS GOES LIKE THIS.
I THINK ANY OF US THAT ARE SETTING ON THOSE COUNTS POSITIONS REALIZE HOW QUICKLY THAT TIME GOES
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BY.SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GIVE THEM A SENSE OF SECURITY DEBT FOR A LENGTH OF TIME THAT WE HAVE IN AGREEMENT.
THERE'S THE CALLS IN HERE WHERE YOU CAN WITH WRITTEN NOTICE, GET OUT OF THIS.
SO IT'S NOT LOCKING YOU IN FOR 10 YEARS AND YOU HAD RIGHT, BUT , WE CAN GET THAT CLARIFIED MR. GILLESPIE, OKAY.
WOULD THIS CHAIRMAN, UM, FOR ONE, IT GIVES CERTAINTY AGAIN, WE'RE CONTRACTORS, BUT BEFORE I COULD AGREE TO THIS, I'M GOING TO NEED SOME CERTAINTY THAT WE CAN GET AROUND THE TABLE AGAIN AND TALK ABOUT HOW TO IMPROVE THINGS.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AS I STAND BY THAT AND NOT TELL HER MR. BAIN, THIS IS NO, NO HIT TO YOU, BUT THERE ARE SOME ISSUES HERE AND WE NEED TO GET THEM ADDRESSED.
UM, SO WE HAVE A COMMITTEE SERVE THAT IS JUST STARTING MR. BEAN WORKING WITH HIS PER DIEM ON WHAT WE CAN DO TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT OLD STUDY THAT WAS DONE ON THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND GO BACK TO FIND OUT WHAT WE SHOULD DO NOW.
AND I THINK IF SOMEONE FROM THE TOWN COUNCIL WANTED TO MEET WITH US TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT, THAT WOULD BE FINE.
I WOULD LOVE TO, THAT'S GOING TO BE, WE'RE GOING TO EXTEND THAT INVITATION TO DO THAT SYSTEM VICE MAYOR.
SO I JUST, UM, WANTED TO SAY KIND OF ABOUT ANY OF THIS, EVEN BEFORE ANY OF THIS, THAT I WANT TO BE VERY FAIR THAT WE HEARD A LOT OF, WE HEARD A LOT OF DISGRUNTLED PEOPLE, NOT TOTALLY GET THAT AND NOT RESPECT THAT I TALKED TO THEM, BUT I'VE ALSO NOW BEEN GETTING PEOPLE REACHING OUT TO ME THAT WERE PLEASED WITH THE FACT THAT YOU'RE THINGS WERE GOING FASTER BECAUSE IN THEIR MIND TIME'S MONEY.
AND SO 30 TO 45 DAYS VERSUS SEVEN, 14 DAYS OR WHATEVER.
SO I JUST WANT TO GO BACK TO SAYING, REGARDLESS OF WHERE WE END UP WITH THIS, IF WE DON'T RESPECT THE FACT THAT OTHER PEOPLE HAD CONCERNS AND, AND, AND WHAT SUPERVISOR OATS SAY, YOU'RE RIGHT.
THERE ARE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AFFECTING THEM.
AND THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT IT'S AFFECTING AN ART LEADER TOO, AND, AND HAVE WANTED TO BECOME, WANTING TO BE ANONYMOUS FOR FEAR OF REPERCUSSIONS OR WHATEVER.
I DON'T, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT HOW I OPERATE, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT PEOPLE DIDN'T WANT TO EXPRESS CONCERNS FOR FEAR THAT THEY, THAT YOU KNOW, THAT WHATEVER, YOU KNOW.
SO, UM, I JUST WANT TO SAY WE STILL, UH, AS COUNCILMAN GILLESPIE SAID, WE STILL NEED TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK WE STILL NEED TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS AND WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT BUILDERS, DEVELOPERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
BUT, UM, THIS AFFECTS OTHER PEOPLE, RIGHT.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY IS I KNOW, I KNOW.
AND THAT THAT'S, I GUESS THAT'S THE PART THAT I'M SAYING IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE SAID THINGS TO ME ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THEIR DECK OR THEIR SHED OR THEIR GARAGE OR WHATEVER, LIKE NEAR MIND, THEY, THEY, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THAT FEE WAS, WASN'T ENORMOUS TO THEM.
YOU KNOW, IT DIDN'T AFFECT THEM LIKE IT DOES OTHER PEOPLE WITH LARGER AMOUNTS.
SO AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO GO BACK TO SAYING THAT, EVEN THOUGH I WASN'T FOR THIS TO SERVE, I'M NOT SAYING I'M STILL FOR THIS.
I'M JUST SAYING WE OPENED THIS UP.
PEOPLE WANTED TO EXPRESS THEIR CONCERNS.
WE HAVE TO HEAR EVERYBODY'S CONCERNS AND WE REALLY SHOULD ADDRESS THEM.
WE, IT'S NOT, I CAN SAY WE, BUT WHOEVER IS PART OF THIS DECISION-MAKING PROCESS, WE NEED TO ADDRESS SUNDAY.
I'LL JUST LISTEN OVER THE TIME BEING.
CAUSE I GOT ABOUT FIVE COMMENTS AND I, I, I CAME HERE PRIMARILY TO LISTEN TONIGHT.
UM, CAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW I CAME TO THE DECISION TO OPEN THE BILLING DEPARTMENT.
I ECHO, I HAVE HAD PEOPLE REACH OUT TO ME THAT WANT TO BE ANONYMOUS AS WELL.
IT'S NOT HOW I OPERATE EITHER AS WE ALL KNOW.
UM, BUT I'VE HEARD BOTH SIDES OF THE ARGUMENT.
I RESPECT THAT SHAME ON THE ELECTED OFFICIALS FROM 1983 UNTIL 2 20 22 THAT NEVER REVISITED THIS.
I'M SORRY, BUT A LOT'S CHANGED SINCE 1983.
SO I DO THINK THIS NEEDS TO CONTINUE.
AND GARY, MY COMMENT ABOUT ONE WAS TONIGHT SITTING HERE AND KIND OF ALL OF YOU, I HAD TWO DIFFERENT DOCUMENTS,
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ALMOST IDENTICAL MISSING FOUR DIFFERENT WORDS THAT MADE ALL THE DIFFERENCE.SO WHAT MY COMMENT WAS WHEN ED SAID YOU WERE A PERFECT FIT FOR THAT IS HAVING ONE PERSON WITH REPRESENTATION, WHETHER IT'S WHOEVER'S FAULT INFORMATION GETS MISCUED AND CONVOLUTED AND THE MESSAGE ISN'T CLEAR.
SO I DO STRONGLY, UM, FEAR AND DISAGREE WITH HAVING ONE PERSON FROM THE COUNCIL BE INVOLVED BECAUSE IT'S NOT FAIR THAT I'M GETTING SECONDHAND INFORMATION AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, WHO WAS DULY ELECTED BY THE MAJORITY OF THE, OF FORT ROYAL.
I OBVIOUSLY WANT TO MOVE FORWARD AND GET EVERYBODY OUT OF HERE BACK TO WORK, BUT ALSO TO ECHO YOUR SENTIMENT, UH, TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T FLIP-FLOP UM, THERE ARE GOING TO BE PEOPLE THAT COME AFTER ME AND YOU AND THESE ELECTED POSITIONS, AND THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO MAKE DECISIONS DIFFERENTLY.
WE CAN'T GUARANTEE ANY LEVEL OF CERTAINTY AS MUCH AS I HATE TO EVEN SAY THAT, UH, WITH THE 10 YEAR CLAUSE.
AND I UNDERSTAND WHEN THEY WORK TOGETHER WELL, THE TOWN COUNTY, UM, BUT LIKE LORI SAID, I JUST, I WOULD BE, I WOULD REALLY WANT TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF AGREEMENT AND WORKING TOGETHER, NOT JUST HANDING IT BACK TO THE COUNTY, UM, AND CONTRIBUTING OUR 25% IN THIS, THAT EITHER I WOULD WANT TO, I WOULD WANT THE TOWN TO POSSIBLY STAFF SOMEBODY IN THAT OFFICE AS WELL, OR SOMEHOW HELP.
UM, LIKE LORI SAID, THERE WAS A REASON IT WAS CREATED, WHETHER IT WAS INEFFECTIVE OR INEFFICIENT FOR SOME OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
I DON'T THINK JUST HANDING IT BACK OVER IS STABLE EITHER.
UM, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY IT WASN'T POSSIBLE TO, UM, KIND OF AMEND THIS DOCUMENT OR AT LEAST TEMPORARY TO REVISIT THE ISSUES SO THAT WE CAN WORK TOWARDS CORRECTING THEM, BUT WE COULD BOUNCE THIS BACK TO THE COUNTY SO THAT THESE BUILDER CAN GO IN TOMORROW, THAT THEY WANT IT TO AND GET YOUR PERMITS.
I DON'T WANT TO HOLD ANYTHING UP NECESSARILY BECAUSE WE NEED TO DO SOME MORE BRAINSTORMING AS LONG AS THEY CAN GO GET WHAT THEY NEED.
AND WE UPGRADE TO EVERYTHING BEING IN A WEEK OR SO TO VISIT THE OTHER ISSUES ABOUT MAYBE POSSIBLY STAFFING FOR SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE WOULD WANT SPEAKING FOR THE STAFF, WE WOULD WANT TO KNOW THE RULES AND THE SOME TYPE OF AN AGREEMENT.
HOWEVER YOU WANT TO CHANGE THAT AGREEMENT.
THAT CERTAINLY IS YOUR PREROGATIVE, BUT WE DON'T WANT THIS.
IF I MAY, WE DON'T WANT THIS BACK WITHOUT SOME TYPE OF AN AGREEMENT.
SO THAT IT'S VERY CLEAR TO EVERYBODY WHAT WE'RE DOING.
NO, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE AGREEMENT.
AS LONG AS WE AGREE TONIGHT THAT WE'RE GOING TO RECONVENE AND DISCUSS THE DEEPER ISSUES.
UM, PROBABLY THE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT FOR A POSSIBLE FUTURE, SECOND POSITION AND WORK MORE ON IT.
BUT RIGHT NOW, IN ORDER FOR EVERYBODY ELSE TO GET BACK TO WORK AND THINGS TO HAPPEN, WE NEED TO JUST GO AHEAD WITH THIS PARTICULAR DOCUMENT, AS LONG AS WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN.
IF I DO SAY REAL QUICK AND IF THERE'S ANY ISSUES, WHY DON'T WE JUST RED LINE IT TO NOW? WELL, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU MEANT BY AMENDED, BUT IN THE MEANTIME WE HAVEN'T, I, I THINK THE MAIN THING IS THAT IF WE AGREE TO WORK ON THE DOCUMENT AND ENDED UP BURNING IT BACK THROUGH THE COUNTY, BUT THERE'S PEOPLE THAT MAKE IT WORK IN OVER MINUTES AND I DON'T WANT TO COME TO THE TOWN PLANNING PERMIT.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, TWO, THREE WEEKS LATER I HEARD ABOUT OF THE COUNTY, THEN YOU HAVE TO TRANSFER EVERYTHING OVER.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE COUNTY GO AHEAD AND TAKE NAH, I THINK ALL PENN, I THINK THAT THE, I THINK MY POSITION ON THIS IS GET THE, GET THE PERMITS DONE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE AND AS CHEAPLY AS, AS CHEAPLY AS POSSIBLE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THE ASHTRAY ABOUT HAVE A SERIOUS DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER WE SHOULD BE SUBSIDIZING ONE SECTOR OF THE ECONOMY OR NOT PUTTING THAT ASIDE.
I MEAN, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S, WHAT'S UNCLEAR ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT THE US DEFAULTING BACK TO EXACTLY WHAT EXISTED BEFORE THE TOWN, UH, BEFORE THE TOWN OFFICE STARTED.
WHAT WHAT'S UNCLEAR ABOUT THAT BECAUSE YOU, YOU RESET, YOU REPEALED IT.
SO LET'S JUST PUT, DOES THIS DOCUMENT REFLECT EXACTLY WHAT'S ACCEPTED THAT WE'RE NOW LOCKED INTO IT FOR 10 YEARS? WELL, THE DOCUMENTED IS JUST WHAT, WHAT IS THERE SIMPLY THAT IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE IT, IT SAYS 10 YEARS OR 16 DAYS AFTER THAT FACT,
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IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THAT, YOU CERTAINLY CAN, BUT YES, OF COURSE THE OLD ONE THAT DOCUMENTS, BUT THERE'S A, THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER QUESTION THAT I HAD THAT I DIDN'T GET TO ASK, UH, FIRST TIME AND THAT, UH, MR. HICKS, I WONDER IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO, WE HAVE, WE HAVE AN EXISTING FRAMEWORK AT THE TOWN AND IT'S WORKING, IT'S JUST MORE EXPENSIVE.AND SO IF WE, IF WE GO FORWARD WITH THE DOCUMENT WHERE EVERYTHING DEFAULTS BACK TO THE COUNTY, THEN THAT, THAT DISAPPEARS.
BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE PERSONNEL WHO, WHO WERE T WHO WERE TO BE TAKEN CARE OF THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING SOME OTHER WORK.
SO MY QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THE HOPES OF SERVING OUR CONSTITUENTS AS BEST AS POSSIBLE, I MEAN, IS IT, IS IT POSSIBLE FOR US TO HOLD OUT THE POSSIBILITY OF THOSE WHO ARE IN THE TOWN AND DON'T MIND SPENDING MORE FOR A QUICKER SERVICE GO TO THE TOWN? WELL, I MEAN, TELL ME THE ABILITY YOU CAN'T HAVE SOMEBODY GO ONE TIME TO THE COUNTY AND ONE TIME, BUT IT'D BE ONE TIME LIKE EITHER WAR.
I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO EITHER.
OR THERE'S, THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE JURISDICTION FOR YOUR AREA.
YOU CANNOT HAVE TO BUILDING A, FOR A SPECIFIC AREA.
YOU HAVE ONE, ONE COURT FOR MARSHALL.
SO THAT ANSWERS THAT QUESTION.
BUT I THINK THAT, I THINK WHAT'S, WHAT'S BAFFLING HERE.
I THINK WE SHOULD REDLINE THAT TONIGHT, BUT RE BUT REALLY, I THINK THIS IS A SIMPLE TASK AND JUST DEFAULTING TO EXACTLY THE AGREEMENT THAT EXISTED BEFORE.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S REVOKED, BUT ALL THE SAME TERMS, PUT IT IN A NEW DOCUMENT.
LET'S SIGN IT MINUS THE TEN-YEAR LOCKING CLOCKS.
I THINK SO THE REASON I WANT TO COMMENT ON WHAT COUNCILMAN MOORE SAID ABOUT THERE, PEOPLE FOLLOWING US IN A YEAR OR TWO, THAT'S THE REASON YOU HAVE THESE AGREEMENTS, BECAUSE THEN THESE POOR GUYS, AREN'T AT THE POLITICAL WHIMS OF THE NEXT ADMINISTRATION.
THAT'S THE REASON WE HAVE 10 YEAR AGREEMENTS IN PLACE SO THAT IT ISN'T EASILY CHANGED.
UM, AND THAT'S WHY I BELIEVE THAT STABILITY IS, AND MAYBE WE MAY GET FIVE YEARS.
SO YOU'RE ALSO GOING TO CHANGE YOUR FEES.
SO THEY MIGHT GET THIS TEN-YEAR AGREEMENT.
THAT SOUNDS REALLY GOOD TONIGHT.
AND THEN YOU GUYS JUST REALIZED IT'S BEEN 12 YEARS.
WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, 40% OF .
I DON'T THINK THE CHECK HAS, AND THAT'S THAT'S APPLES TO ORANGES.
I THINK SO COST WAS A PORTION OF THE DISGRUNTLEDNESS WITH THE TOWN.
SO IF THE COUNTY COMES BACK AND LOOKS AT THIS NEW INFLATION THAT WE'RE FACING, AND THE DIFFERENCE THAT'S CHANGED OVER THE LAST 12 YEARS AND THE COUNTY DECIDES TO JACK THEIR FEES UP TO ALMOST WHAT THE TOWN WAS CHARGING.
THEY HAVE THIS NEW, GREAT TENURE DOCUMENT FROM TONIGHT, BUT THEN YOU GUYS JUST RE-REVIEWED YOUR FEES AND RAISED THEM.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO, BUT YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY.
WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY OF BEFORE THIS WHOLE THING BLEW UP.
THAT'S WHAT YOU DIDN'T REALIZE.
IT SEEMS LIKE SEVERAL OF YOUR PEOPLE ON YOUR .
UM, SO IN 20, IN 2009, AMBER, IF YOU, AND YOU MAY NOT RECALL THIS, BUT IN 2008, THE MARKET CRASH, I DO RECALL THAT'S WHY IN 2009, THE RATES WERE SET AND THEY WERE SET FOR A LONG-TERM BECAUSE THE MARKET CRASHED AND IT TOOK A DECADE TO RECOVER FROM THAT MARKET CRASH.
I, THESE THINGS HAPPEN FOR A REASON AND THEY DO THEY, AND THEY PROVIDE STABILITY AND ECONOMIC CONDITIONS THAT ARE UNCERTAIN.
AND THAT'S WHY THERE ARE AGREEMENTS LIKE THESE, SO THAT POLIT POLITICIANS CAN'T GET ELECTED AND COME IN AND JACK THINGS UP.
AND SO, AND THEN OUR GOVERNMENT WAS INTENDED FOR THAT.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE SLOW, MOVING, NOT QUICK TERM, ALL AGREE THAT THE DEPARTMENT HAS ISSUES AND WE ARE MORE THAN WILLING TO COME TOGETHER.
WHETHER IT BE ONE OR TWO PEOPLE FROM EACH SIDE OR THE WHOLE GROUP ON THIS, THE MORE THE MERRIER I SAY, UNTIL WE GET OUT OF CONTROL, WHICH TONIGHT, THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING SO RESPECTFUL OF EACH OTHER.
WE NEED TO WORK ON THE PROBLEMS. WE REALIZED WE HAVE PROBLEMS. WE WANT TO WORK ON THOSE.
AND IF YOU GUYS WANT TO WORK ON THOSE WITH IS FINE TONIGHT FOR THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE
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THAT WANT TO KNOW TOMORROW, WHERE DO I GO TO GET WHAT I NEED? WE NEED TO GET OVER A 10 YEARS BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN WORK ON, WHETHER IT'S 10 YEARS, WHETHER IT'S FIVE YEARS, BUT WE NEED TO GIVE THESE PEOPLE AND OUR STAFF, THE IDEA THAT THE ROAD IS NOT GOING TO GET PULLED OUT FROM THEM AGAIN, I DON'T THINK THAT'S UNREALISTIC.I MEAN, WE VOTE FOR PEOPLE AND THEY GOT TO PUT UP WITH US FOR FOUR YEARS.
SO I DON'T SEE 4, 5, 5 YEARS, 10 YEARS IS ASKING A LOT.
AND IF I COULD ASK THE CONTRACTORS TO RAISE YOUR HAND, DO YOU THINK, ARE YOU AGREEING THAT, THAT YOU WOULD LIKE A TOM LIMINAL ON THIS FOR STABILITY? YES.
IF YOU WANT TO PUT YOUR HANDS UP Y'ALL WHAT'S NOT REALLY AND I'M GETTING KNOCKED DOWN, BUT YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO MOVE HAS ONE THING SNAGIT AS ALL UP DISTRICTS.
HOW DOES THIS MAKING A SUGGESTION? WE COULD JUST ADD A LANGUAGE IN THERE BECAUSE IN THE AGREEMENT MENTIONED, UM, PERFORMANCE TWICE.
AND SO WE COULD MAKE AN AGREEMENT THAT SPIRIT OF PROVEN, UH, AGREEMENT WITH SOME CHANGES MAYBE ON THE YEARS FROM NOW, BUT THAT ALL PARTIES WILL AGREE ON A PERFORMANCE.
DALEY REFERENCED THE STUDY THAT WAS DONE AND SHOULD HAVE THOSE PERFORMANCE, NOT THE MET THAN DISAGREEMENTS VOID.
IN OTHER WORDS, AGREE ON IT, BUT ALSO AGREE THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET TOGETHER TO ESTABLISH PERFORMANCE BECAUSE WHAT I'VE HEARD AND HE SAID IT WAS IS, IS THERE'S PERFORMANCE AND ADDITIONAL TALKS OF BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
AND SO IF WE FOCUS ON THOSE TWO AREAS, I BELIEVE MAYBE, BUT IF WE MOVE FORWARD TO DO SOMETHING, I WOULD SUGGEST HAVING SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT ALL PARTIES WILL AGREE ON PERFORMANCE AND MATRIX AND, AND HAVE A QUARTERLY REPORT TO COUNCIL GAMBLE, ALL THOSE MEASURES.
I THINK THAT LANGUAGE NEEDS TO BE BECAUSE IT MENTIONED THAT THE ONLY ONE THAT COULD END THIS IS THE COURSE, BUT IT TALKED ABOUT BASE PUMP PERFORMANCE.
IF YOU READ THE LANGUAGE THIS WELL, WE NEED THAT IS GOING TO TAKE OUR ATTORNEY TOMORROW.
IT WON'T BE DEALT WITH UNTIL THE FIRST WEEK.
THESE GUYS ARE WAITING FOR DIRECTION ON WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO GO.
I THINK IF THE TOWN WANTS TO HAVE ITS OWN DEPARTMENT, THAT'S THE TOWN'S BUSINESS.
BUT I THINK THE COUNTY DEPARTMENT IS RESPONSIBLE TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
AND AS WE SUGGESTED, IF THE TOWN WANTED TO HAVE SOMEONE PARTICIPATE IN OUR COMMITTEE, WE'D BE GLAD TO DO THAT.
BUT OUR DEPARTMENT DOES NOT REPORT TO TOWN COUNCIL.
I JUST WANT TO REITERATE WHAT DR.
DAILY IS SAYING AS, UM, THEY DO NOT HAVE TO DO THIS FOR DEATH FOR A ROLE.
WE KNOW THAT'S ART IN OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT NOW IS NOT GOING TO WORK FINANCIALLY FOR CONTRACTORS AND OUR HOMEOWNERS.
AND IF WE WANT TO BUILD, UM, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THE FIVE OR 10 YEARS DOES NOT BOTHER ME, NOT ONE THAT I WOULD JUST BE WHAT I SAID.
I STAND BY MY STATEMENT EARLIER THAT I JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO SIT DOWN AND BE ABLE TO GET THESE THINGS GOING AND MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.
SO THAT'S NOT TAKE, AND I FEEL LIKE THIS IS, I DON'T FEEL LIKE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S THAT HARD TO ACTUALLY, UM, OH, HER HANDLERS.
UM, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF MR. BEAM OR DR.
DALEY OR ANY OF THE ATTORNEYS IN THE ROOM COULD JUST TELL ME FOR MY OWN RESEARCH AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT PART OF THE STATE CODE, UH, PROHIBITS THE TWO AUTHORITIES WITHIN ONE JURISDICTION FOR BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND PERMITTING.
I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER DO YOU, I CAN GET, I WOULD HAVE TO GET THE NUMBER, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE BECAUSE THE BUILDING OFFICIAL, WHICH IS THE AUTHORITY, HAVING JURISDICTION IS APPOINTED BY A BODY.
YOU CAN'T HAVE A COUNTY HAVING A BUILDING OFFICIAL FOR THE TOWN, AS WELL AS THE TOWN, HAVING AN OFFICIAL FOR THE TOWN.
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ONLY HAVE ONE AUTHORITY HAVING JURISDICTION.THAT'S BASICALLY THE UNDERSTANDING AS FAR AS THE WAY THAT ANY INSPECTIONS DEPARTMENT WOULD BE WORKING.
BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE TWO COMPETING THINGS YOU COULD BASICALLY, WELL, I DON'T LIKE HER.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ACTUAL, THE RULES, CORRECT? FOR INSPECTIONS AND THE WAY THAT YEAH.
YOU COULD HAVE SHADY INSPECTIONS DONE.
UM, BUT THAT'S WHAT I JUST WANTED TO KNOW FOR MY NOTES.
AND FOR EVERYBODY HERE TONIGHT, WHAT PART OF THE VIRGINIA STATE CODE SPECIFICALLY? SO IF YOU GUYS WANT TO USE THE NET TO ME OUT OF THE CLASS, THANK YOU.
SO ON THE THIRD PAGE OF THE DOCUMENT THAT WE JUST RECEIVED, UM, ITEM NUMBER FIVE SAYS THAT THIS AGREEMENT WILL BECOME EFFECTIVE MARCH 1ST, 1983.
THE AGREEMENT MAY BE TERMINATED BY EITHER PARTY BY PROVIDING 60 DAYS WRITTEN NOTICE TO THE OTHER PARTY.
SO IF THE NEW ONE FALLS IN LINE WITH THE SPIRIT OF THIS ONE, THEN THAT IS, OR 60 DAYS AFTER WRITTEN NOTICE, IT'S NOT 10 YEARS AND THEN 60 DAYS.
CAUSE THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
SO THE 10 YEAR MARK, IT WOULD EXPIRE ANYWAYS.
AND THEN SO THERE'S NO, THERE WOULD BE NO REASON TO HAVE A 60 DAY NOTICE AFTER JANUARY 1ST, 2032.
SO I JUST WANTED TO CLEAR THAT.
DID YOU FIND THE LANGUAGE IN HERE THAT SAID OR 14,000? NO, THAT'S N THAT'S NOT AGAIN, THIS AGREEMENT THAT'S IN THE STATE CODE THAT SECTION.
SO CAN WE AGREE THAT TOMORROW THE COUNTY IS TAKING THE INSPECTIONS I ENDED UP PERMITTING FOR, FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THAT WE ARE GOING TO AGREE TO THIS DOCUMENT IN SPIRIT AND WORDS, RIGHT? THAT, WELL, THIS ONE IS DEAD.
SO, AND FRANKLY, AN AGREEMENT FROM 1983 IS I WOULD JUST LIKE TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE GOT WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
I MEAN, I AGREE IT'S OUTDATED, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SEE HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
SO I THINK THAT WE GO WITH THIS MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT, WE DECIDE ON A, ON A TERM AND, AND WE MOVE FORWARD.
SO WHAT TERM IS THE TOWN GOING TO ACCEPT? AND WHAT TERM IS COUNTABLE? THE TERMS OF THE YEARS.
AND IT SAYS FOR 60 DAYS WRITTEN NOTICE THOUGH.
I MEAN, IF WE COULD GET OUT OF IT, IF WE WANT IT TO VIRGINIA.
I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN OPERATING UNDER DISAGREEMENTS SINCE 1983.
WHY DON'T WE JUST DO 60 DAYS? AND THAT 60 DAYS IS PLENTY OF TIME FOR YOU ALL TO RAT REACTS TO US GOING OFF ON A RESERVATION AGAIN.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT THAT'S, UM, WAS AN INTERESTING CHOICE.
I MEAN, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE WORST CASE SCENARIO, I MEAN, AND STABILITY, I THINK IF W IF, IF YOU JUST SEE HOW THIS DISCUSSION UNFOLDED, UM, I THINK THAT WE, WE TRIED THE ENTIRE PURPOSE WAS TO SERVE THE CITIZENS AND THE BUILDINGS COMMUNITY WE HEARD FROM THE BUILDING COMMUNITY.
WE WANT TO CHANGE THE FACT, UM, IF WE CAN PICK, IF THE TOWN COULD COME UP WITH A BETTER APPROACH AND PUT IT BEFORE THE CITIZENS, ONE THAT THE, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH THE WORK OF THE, WITH THE HELP OF THE WARREN COUNTY BUILDING, UH, COMMISSIONING AND EVERYBODY ELSE, WE COULD COME UP WITH A BETTER APPROACH.
WHY WOULD WE TIRED HANDS FROM PURSUING THAT FOR WHOLE 10 YEARS IN THE NAME OF STABILITY? 60 DAYS, I THINK MORE THAN ENOUGH TIME, LET'S MAKE IT 90, BUT 10 YEARS.
AND THIS FEAR OF STABILITY, UM, MAYBE FIVE YEARS AND THEN PROVIDE A LOAN, LIKE A LONGER PERIOD TO CARRY OUT A FIVE-YEAR AGREEMENT WITH THE 12 MONTHS NOTICE OF TERMINATION.
SO JUST IN CASE, AND THAT GIVES PEOPLE TIME TO TIME.
WELL, YOU KNOW, I'M SORRY, THERE'S LESSONS LEARNED, I'M SORRY.
THE TOWN CAME AND, YOU KNOW, 60 DAYS WE WANT TO TAKE ON THIS, THIS ROLE AND HERE WE ARE TODAY, RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHERE THE STABILITY COMES IN.
OVER THE COURSE OF 10 YEARS, WE'RE GOING TO SUBSIDIZE THIS PROGRAM.
THAT'S 900, $9,000 OFF OF 33%.
YOU KNOW, THE TOWN'S 15 TO 45,000 PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE SUBSIDIZING A PROGRAM IN AN INDUSTRY.
YOU SCOTT HIT ON THAT EARLIER.
I MEAN, WHAT OTHER INDUSTRIES ARE WE SUBSIDIZING? LET'S DO WARRIORS NEXT GYMS, GYMS. WHY THAT,
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WHAT ELSE DO WE GOT REPRESENTED? I THINK THAT THE DIFFERENCE HERE IS THAT THE STATE REQUIRES US TO HAVE THIS.DO THEY NOT? I MEAN, I, I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH WE SUBSIDIZED THE STATE COMPARISON NOW, SHELL, BUT I'M ASKING.
SO EVERY COMMUNITY SUBSIDIZED ONE AT A TIME, NOT I'M SORRY, MS. COLEMAN, BUT EVERY COMMUNITY SUBSIDIZES THIS, THIS IS A STATE MANDATED.
WHEN IT'S A STATE MANDATE IN THE STATE, DOESN'T GIVE YOU THE FUNDS TO PAY FOR IT.
YOU PAY FOR IT AS BEST YOU CAN WITHOUT BREAKING THE BANK OF EVERYBODY.
WE CAN'T BE SO OUT OF LINE WITH OUR RATES THAT WE'RE SENDING OUR CONTRACTORS TO FREDERICK COUNTY.
I, I DON'T UNDER, WE ARE NOT LIVING IN A BUBBLE HERE.
BUT I DO WANT TO CLARIFY, THERE ARE LOCALITIES THAT HAVE VERY HIGH FEES THAT DO PAY FOR THEIR ENTIRE DEPARTMENT.
THAT IS NOT THE NORM, AND IT'S NOT THE MAJORITY, BUT THERE ARE DEPARTMENTS THAT DO THAT.
SO I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO LEAVE HERE THINKING THAT EVERYBODY 100% DOES IT.
AND THE REASON WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT OUR FEES AND WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT A 10% INCREASE, VERY POSSIBLE THAT WE'LL BRING SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND THE BOARD IN THE NEXT 12 MONTHS, BECAUSE WE'RE FURTHER APART THAN WE'D LIKE TO BE JUST LIKE OUR REASSESSMENTS.
I ONLY HAVE ONE THING, BUT SO LESSONS LEARNED, I'D SAY DEF ABSOLUTELY LESSONS LEARNED, LEARN MORE ABOUT THIS KIND OF STUFF THAN I EVER THOUGHT.
WHAT WAS THOSE TWO? I'M A LEARNER.
UM, BUT ONE THING I LEARNED IS I REALLY HAD NO IDEA HOW MUCH WE, HOW MUCH TAXPAYER DOLLARS WERE SUBSIDED.
AND I KNOW AT ONE POINT, UM, I KNOW AT ONE POINT MR. KLEIN HAD SAID SOMETHING ABOUT BETWEEN 40 TO 60%, THAT'S WHAT YOU HAD SHARED WITH US AT ONE OF OUR MEETINGS.
AND SO I'VE BEEN THINKING A LOT ABOUT THAT.
SO 40 TO 60% POSSIBLY OF THAT DEPARTMENT IS THROUGH TAXPAYER DOLLARS, WHICH I GET, IF WE HAVE TO HAVE ONE, TOTALLY GET THAT.
BUT THERE ARE OTHER PLACES THAT DO THIRD PARTY INSPECTIONS, CHRISTIANSBURG FALLS CHURCH.
THERE WAS A FEW OTHERS I'M DRAWING A BLANK HERE, BUT SO YOU'RE RIGHT.
THERE ARE PLACES THAT I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD DO BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING.
BUT I ALSO THINK THAT THE 2009, 13 YEARS IN 13 YEARS, I, I CANNOT IMAGINE THAT.
WELL FOR ONE, I WOULD IMAGINE THE STAFF HAS GROWN SINCE 2009 NOTE SAYING THAT SEVEN PEOPLE SHRUNK, SHRUNK.
WELL, SO 2009, BUT I'M SURE SALARY, SINCE THEY SAME INSURANCE IN CITIES, THERE'S LOTS OF THINGS THAT THE FEES THAT THE COST OF THAT DEPARTMENT HAS HAD TO HAVE GONE UP.
I MEAN, IF I CAN'T IMAGINE EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE WORLD, IT'S GONE UP IN 13 YEARS.
SO I AM KIND OF SURPRISED THAT THE BEES DIDN'T GO UP AND THAT'S PROBABLY WHY EVERYBODY KIND OF GOT THE DEER IN THE HEADLIGHTS WHEN RFPS CAME ABOUT AND IN OUR DEFENSE, PARLO WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO WAS NOT PASS ON THE COST TO THE TAXPAYERS.
THAT THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE WERE DOING WHEN WE DRIVE, WHEN WE CAME UP WITH THIS WAS THE IDEA WAS TO TRY NOT TO MAKE THIS, YOU KNOW, CAUSE WE DIDN'T WANNA, YOU KNOW, CREATE DUPLICITY AND ALL THAT.
I DO THINK WE OUGHT TO LOOK AT THE TIME ONLY BECAUSE IT DOES KIND OF TIE YOU IN.
UM, IT DOES KIND OF TIE IN, OBVIOUSLY WHEN THIS ORIGINAL ONE WAS STARTED, YOU KNOW, IT LASTED US WHAT, 38 YEARS.
SO IT COULDN'T HAVE BEEN TOO BAD.
RIGHT? WE DID, AS LONG AS WE DID.
SO, UM, BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY LIKE LESSONS LEARNED THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF LESSONS OR ONE OF WHICH THE BIGGEST ONE IN MY OPINION IS, IS THAT WHEN WE HEAR LOTS OF CONCERNS, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT.
AND I STILL WANT TO SAY, THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT I KNOW EVERYBODY IS.
SCOTT SAID WENT OFF THE RESERVATION.
OR I KNOW THERE ARE LOTS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE CRITICIZING WHAT WE DID, BUT I WANT YOU TO KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT HAVE NOT, THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN PLEASED WITH IT.
UM, OR LIKE I SAID, JUST FASTER AND I THINK ABOUT THIS WHOLE IDEA OF INSPECTION AND MY CAR INSPECTION.
AND THE, WE PAY FOR A CAR INSPECTION AND NOBODY ELSE PAYS FOR THAT.
RIGHT? I JUST, THE STATE SUBSIDIZE THE DEPART, THE STATE INSPECTION.
SO THOSE, SO WHEREVER THERE, WHEREVER THE INSPECTIONS ARE HAPPENING, CAR INSPECTIONS, DOES THAT SHOP GET
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EXTRA MONEY OR WHATEVER, MAKING THEIR MONEY OFF OF $16.IT'S SUBSIDIZED, THAT'S IT? I'M DONE MR. WOODS FOR ME, THAT'S FINE.
WELL, BACK TO THE LESSONS LEARNED, THE LESSON WE LEARNED WAS THAT THE COUNTY SUBSIDIZES THE PERMITTING OFFICE AND WE DECIDED THAT WE COULD FIX IT BY SUBSIDIZING THE PERMITTING OFFICE OUT OF OUR GENERAL FUND.
BUT WE THINK THAT THAT'S NOT GOOD POLICY.
AND SO WE'RE, OUR HANDS ARE TIED ESSENTIALLY TO GOING BACK TO THE COUNTY.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE PUNISHED FOR TRYING TO TRY, TRY SOMETHING NEW AND INNOVATIVE.
AND IF WE CAN COME UP WITH A BETTER APPROACH APPROACH A YEAR FROM NOW, I THINK, I THINK IT'S BAD POLICY FOR US TO AGREE THAT WE CAN PURSUE THAT BETTER APPROACH A YEAR FROM NOW BECAUSE HE SIGNED A AGREEMENT TONIGHT.
UM, SO I WOULD, I WOULD JUST SUGGEST GOING BACK TO THE 60% AND I THINK THIS DISCUSSION SHOULD CONTINUE AND WE SHOULD HAVE.
NOW I'M SPEAKING AS A CONSTITUENT, WE SHOULD HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER THE COUNTY OUGHT TO BE SUBSIDIZING, UM, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN SECTORS OF THE ECONOMY.
I MEAN, DEVELOPMENT IS REALLY IMPORTANT, BUT IT'S NOT THE ONLY, UM, PART OF THE, UH, THE LOCAL, UM, THE LAST THING I'LL HAVE TO ADD TO THIS BEFORE WE, UH, GET TO AN AGREEMENT.
DAILY, I'VE ASKED FOR A LOT OF INFORMATION I'VE BEEN PROVIDED WITH IT ON THE SPOT.
THANK YOU, MRS. SHAHRAKI AS WELL.
UM, I WILL JUST SAY TONIGHT, I APPRECIATE RESPECT AND PREFER RESPECTFUL, OPEN DIALECT.
I WANT TO UNDERSTAND, AS I SIT IN THIS TABLE AROUND A ROOM OF PEOPLE WHO MOST ARE VERY UPSET AT WHAT'S HAPPENED, I LOOK AT THE ROLL CALL VOTE FROM WHEN THE TOWN DECIDED TO CREATE A BUILDING INSPECTIONS DEPARTMENT.
AND NOW MO THE MAJORITY OF TOWN COUNCIL SITS AROUND THIS TABLE TONIGHT REALIZING THAT THEY MADE A MISTAKE OR WEREN'T QUITE WELL-INFORMED.
SO WHEN I ASKED THE QUESTIONS THAT I ASK AND I GET THE DOCUMENTS THAT I GET, AND I WANT TO GO BACK TO 1983 AND UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING FULLY, I REFUSE TO SIT HERE AND MAKE A VOTE TONIGHT THAT SIX MONTHS FROM NOW, I REGRET I WANT TO RETRACT.
SO THAT'S ALL THAT, UM, I DIDN'T WANT TO SEE US MOVE FORWARD TONIGHT AND THAT KICK THIS DOWN, LIKE CAN, LIKE WE DID THE TOURISM AND REALLY GOOD FOR LIKE A YEAR AND A HALF.
AND I CAN'T DO THAT TO EVERYBODY ELSE IN HERE.
NORTH WANTS TO DO SOME REAL BASIC STUFF, LIKE GO TO WORK, RIGHT.
SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.
IF IT GO THROUGH AS WRITTEN, I DON'T WANT TO SIT HERE AND HAGGLE OVER THE YEARS, THE TIMEFRAMES OR ANYTHING ELSE.
I JUST WANT IT TO BE DONE WITH AT THIS POINT.
AND WE MOVE FORWARD FOR THE TA FOR HOWEVER LONG WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA MOVE SCOTT.
RED LINE IT AND LET'S SIGN IT TONIGHT.
WE CAN CIRCLE BACK TO THIS AND GIVE PEOPLE TIME TO THINK.
AND BEFORE THE END OF THE NIGHT, SO THESE FOLKS HAVE AN IDEA, OR I THINK I'M TRYING TO SAY WE CAN'T TAKE AN OFFICIAL VOTE, BUT WE CAN DO A STRAW POLL.
SO, UM, WE'LL START WITH MR. MCFADDEN.
ARE WE PUTTING THIS AS WRITTEN AS REAL, AS WRITTEN? I'M SORRY, MR. ROY JUST MAKE THE CHANGE AND YES, BUT NO, NOT AS WRITTEN AS WRITTEN MR. GILLESPIE.
DEFINITELY NOT AS WRITTEN, COVID ENTERTAIN FIVE YEARS AS WRITTEN FIVE YEARS, NOT AS WRITTEN OR WOULD BE INTERESTED IN OUR FIVE-YEAR AS WRITTEN.
I THINK WE CAN MAKE IT WORK FIVE YEARS.
MA'AM IF YOU JUST CHANGE IT TO FIVE YEARS.
AS, AS WRITTEN WITH AMENDED FIVE YEARS INSTEAD OF 10.
THERE'S A CLAUSE BASED ON PERFORMANCE.
YOU CAN, YOU CAN TAKE IT TO THE COURT.
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AND GO TO BED AND GET UP FOR FOR FIVE YEARS, ADVISE A CLIENT TO TIE THEMSELVES UP LIKE THAT.THIS ISN'T FIVE YEARS IS FINE.
HERE'S YOUR LAST WEEK? SO IT'S FIVE YEARS.
NO, IF ANDS OR BUTS, WE HAVE TO WAIT FIVE YEARS BEFORE WE CAN GET OUT.
OR THE 60 DAYS THING I WAS SAYING IT REALLY IS THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN.
IT SHOULD SAY UNLESS INSTEAD OF WAR, THIS AGREEMENT SHALL CONTINUE.
HE DOESN'T AGREE WITH ANY OF IT.
SO GUYS, I SAY, WE SAY FIVE YEARS AND YOU KNOW, IF THERE BECOMES AN ISSUE, THE PROBLEM, THE WHOLE REASON THIS CAME ABOUT IS BECAUSE OF LACK OF COMMUNICATION, BECAUSE NOBODY TALKED TO ANYBODY ELSE BEFORE THEY DECIDED TO TAKE ACTION.
LET'S JUST SAY THIS FIVE YEARS OR YOU CAN GET OUT OF IT WITH 60 DAYS NOTICE AND WE'LL HAVE THE DAMN THING.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF FIVE YEARS FOR 60 DAYS, THE COUNTY, MR. B, YOU READY TO TAKE BACK ALL THE, I JUST LIKE TO COMMENT THAT THERE'S NO CHANCE THAT THE COUNCIL OR THE NEXT COUNCIL IS GOING TO NOT LEARN FROM THIS AND JUST JUMP INTO SOMETHING AGAIN.
I THINK THURSDAY, WHEN DOES THIS TOMORROW, TOMORROW BUILDING INSPECTOR EIGHT, SEVEN TOMORROW, I WILL BE OUT TOMORROW.
I'VE GOT 22 PERMITS COMING YOUR WAY.
CAN I MAKE ONE COMMENT OR IT MIGHT BE MR. ROY WANTED TO ADDRESS SOMETHING.
YOU SAID YOU MADE THE COMMENT THAT THE CON THAT CONTRACTING IS NOT THE LAST AVENUE OF INCOME, RIGHT? I'D LIKE YOU TO SIT BACK AND STUDY THAT, DOING YOUR HOMEWORK AND UNDERSTAND THAT IF IT WASN'T FOR THE CONTRACTORS, UH, WE CARRY A LOT OF THE UNITED STATES.
HEY, WE CARRY A LOT OF THIS COUNTY.
THIS IS WHY WE CARRY A LOT OF THE TEXTS BREAKS HERE.
AND I TAKE THAT AS AN OFFENSE, TRULY THAT IT REALLY PISSES ME OFF.
WELL, I'M NOT TRYING TO, AND WE'RE GOING TO BE FINISHED.
BUT THE OTHER THING I WANT TO SAY IS YOU ALL TALK ABOUT PERFORMANCE.
WATCH YOUR DAY IN VIDEO BACK AND LOOK AT HOW EVERYBODY ACTED AT THIS TABLE.
AND LOOK AT THE, BEFORE YOUR PERFORMANCE, YOU GET MADE, YOU CAN JUDGE ON YOUR PERFORMANCE EVER FOUR YEARS.
WE SHOULD BE, HAVE BEEN JUDGED YOU EVERY SINGLE DAY, BECAUSE YOU ARE HERE FOR US, TAXPAYERS.
YOU SHOULD DO WHAT THE CITIZENS ASKED YOU, AND YOU ALL HAVE TAKEN UPON YOURSELF.
DEVELOP THAT DUMB ASS PROGRAM TO BEGIN WITH.
AND THEN YOU WANT, Y'ALL WANT TO SIT HERE AND ARGUE AND KEEP ALL OF US FROM WORKING BECAUSE OVER AT FIVE OR 10 YEARS TIME, COME ON, Y'ALL GROW UP.
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MS. THOMPSON, DO YOU WANT TO TAKE THE LEAD ON THEM? I'M GOING TO LET YOU DO IT BECAUSE I'VE DONE IT BEFORE.AND YOU'VE GOT A GOOD GRIP ON THOSE.
SO I'VE GONE THROUGH THIS WITH A COUPLE OF PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT.
I THINK PAGE TWO, THE HIGHLIGHTED SECTIONS THAT YOU'RE AIMING TOWARDS AND EXPENDITURES SPECIFICALLY TOWARDS EXPENDITURE OUTSIDE OBLIGATIONS SHALL COORDINATE WITH DISCOVER FROM WORK IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE TOWN OF PORT ROYAL SPECIAL EVENT.
HOW WAS EVEN PROCEDURES, ESPECIALLY CATEGORIZE THE COMMUNITY GATHERING OR COMMUNITY MAY BE HOSTED BY THE PARTIES.
HE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS MEAN THAT THE TOWN HAS TO REPORT IN WHAT THEY'RE SPENDING ON THE COMMUNITY.
LIKE IF WE GET A BAND, ARE WE REPORTING THAT WE SPENT $700 FOR THE BAND? I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WAS CLEAR BECAUSE THEY HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THAT WAS INTENDED SO THAT WE ARE COLLABORATING AND WE'RE NOT COMPETING IN THE SAME SPACE.
RIGHT? SO FOR INSTANCE, IF THE TOURISM, UH, ENTITY WANTING TO HOST SOMETHING DOWNTOWN AND THE CA AND THE TOWN HAD SOMETHING ALREADY PLANNED, AND ONE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE OTHER, THAT COULD BE, UH, THAT COULD BE A PROBLEM.
AND SO YOU WANT TO THE COMMITTEE, AGAIN, THIS IS ALL ABOUT COMMUNICATION, RIGHT? AND THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT IT WAS.
SO WE DIDN'T HAVE TWO COMPETING EVENTS ON THE SAME DAY AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
IT'S BASICALLY LIKE WE AGREED UPON LAST WEEK, FINALLY.
AND AGAIN, WITH THIS, NORMALLY DO LIKE THE LAST EMILY, YOU I'D LIKE TO SEE HERE AND BELONG.
AND I AGREE, OR STAFF, SO WE'LL UNDERSTAND THAT I'M GOING TO LIVE.
I KNOW MS. LEWIS OVER THERE HAS A QUESTION.
SO IT'S MAINLY US PROVIDING YOU ON LISTS ANNUALLY THAT WE'VE HAD OF THE THINGS, RIGHT.
BUT NOTHING THAT MENTIONS EXPENDITURES.
SO WE CAN TAKE THE EXPENDITURES OUT AND JUST SAY EACH YEAR ANNUALLY BY THE LIST.
AND DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS, DISCOVER PROPER WORLD WILL PROVIDE US WITH THAT LIST BECAUSE THAT WAY WE CAN RECONCILIATE.
SO IT'S JUST MAINLY A LIST OF OUR EVENTS THAT WE'LL BE DOING RIGHT.
WELL, THE COMMUNITY, THERE'S THE COMMUNITY.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT YOUR COMMUNITY EVENTS, BUDGET IS PUBLIC.
AND YOU'VE GOT IT ON A LINE ITEM THAT SAYS COMMUNITY EVENTS.
AND SO, UM, OR, OR, SO THIS IS THE THING, STEVEN, WE DON'T WANT ANOTHER SHADOW TOURISM, UH, ORGANIZATION.
WHAT, WHAT HAS BROUGHT US TO THE TABLE TONIGHT IS THAT FOR YEARS, TOURISM WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DOING A, BUT INSTEAD THERE WERE ALL THESE OTHER LITTLE SIDE THINGS THAT TOURISM WAS DOING, AND THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE WORKING WITH THE TOURISM ADVISORY BOARD.
AND YET THE TOURISM ADVISORY BOARD WOULD BECOME INFORMED, OR THE COMMITTEE WOULD BE INFORMED ABOUT WHAT WAS TAKING PLACE INSTEAD OF INCLUDED IN WHAT WAS TAKING PLACE.
SO WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE IS THAT THIS IS A DEDICATED TOURISM EFFORT THAT DOESN'T HAVE SOME SORT OF COMPETING ORGANIZATION GOING ON IN THE BATTLEGROUND AND CARRY IT, I THINK.
IS THAT SUFFICIENT CARRIE? YES.
SO THAT IS THE REASON THAT THAT CLAUSE EXISTS.
TERMINAL STAFF HAS A QUESTION.
HEY EVERYBODY, UM, I'M AS LIZZIE WHO HAS ON THE SPECIAL EVENTS IN PUBLIC ARTS COORDINATOR FOR THE TOWN, I JUST HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE MOA.
UM, SPECIFICALLY THE EVENT SIZE TALKING ABOUT A COMMUNITY GATHERING AND A COMMUNITY EVENT BEING UNDER A THOUSAND PARTICIPANTS.
UM, FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT IS DOING A JULY 3RD INDEPENDENCE DAY CELEBRATION.
I HAVE HIGH HOPES THAT WE RECEIVED MORE THAN A THOUSAND PARTICIPANTS.
WHAT DOES, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IF, IF WE, IF, IF OUR, OUR FOLKS HERE DECIDE TO SIGN ON THIS AGREEMENT, DOES THAT, THAT THAT TYPE OF EVENT IS NO LONGER UNDER OUR CONTROL? UH, NO.
WELL, I, WELL, BUT IT JUST TAKES INTO THERE.
THERE'S A LINE ABOUT THE PARTIES ARE ABLE TO GATHERINGS AND COMMUNITY EVENTS.
WELL, THAT'S SCRATCH DOWN ON THAT.
I JUST WAS SERIOUS ABOUT THAT SPECIFIC NUMBER OF A THOUSAND PEOPLE.
WELL, THAT'S ALSO NOT GOING TO LIMIT TO ONLY BENEFIT FOR ROYAL MORTON COUNTY.
I MEAN, I TRAVELED TO STRAUSBERG TO WATCH FIREWORKS AND CELEBRATE THE 4TH OF JULY EVERY YEAR.
AND MAYBE IF IT'S A BIG ENOUGH EVENT, THE PARTIES CAN JOIN FORCES AND MAKE IT BIGGER OR WHATEVER.
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I'M NOT SURE, BUT I DON'T THINK IT MATTERS.I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT PIECE OF IT, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU COULD HAVE 10,000 AS LONG AS THE ARE GOING TO REMOVE THAT.
UM, CAN I ASK MS. SCOTT? SHE IS, SHE HAS WRITTEN THIS DOCUMENT AND HAS BEEN WITH BOTH THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS DOCUMENT.
WHAT SHE'S REFERENCING IS BAD DEFINITION.
SO, SO THERE DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE SOME SORT OF DISTINCTION BETWEEN WHAT DISCOVER FRONT WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR AND WHAT THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR.
SO WHEN IT COMES TO LARGER EVENTS, DEFINITELY THIS WOULD BE SOME COLLABORATION BETWEEN THE SCOPE FRONT, THE TOWN AND EVEN THE COUNTY, BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME SORT OF DISTINCTION ON WHAT IS GOING TO BE GRANTED AS FEDERAL FRONT OIL FOR TOURS AND EVENTS.
SO ONCE HE GETS TO A CERTAIN THRESHOLD, THEN IT'S GOING TO BE DEFINED AS A TOURISM EVENT.
IS THAT FAIR? IF I MAY, THE THRESHOLD THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS EXACTLY WHAT'S WRITTEN IN THE TOWN, SPECIAL EVENTS CODE IS A MOMENT, CORRECT.
THERE ARE THREE TYPES OF EVENTS.
THERE'S A GATHERING, WHICH IS 15 PEOPLE OR LESS.
THERE'S A COMMUNITY EVENT, WHICH IS A THOUSAND PEOPLE OR LESS ANYTHING GREATER THAN THAT IS DEFINED AS A TOURISM EVENT.
AND THAT'S WHAT THAT'S AND THIS IS DOCUMENTING.
SO I THINK WHAT IT MEANS IS THAT ONCE IT REACHES THAT THRESHOLD, THEN TOURISM IS INVOLVED OR COLLABORATING IN THE EVENT.
AND THAT'S IN YOUR CODE, I THOUGHT AS REFERENCED IN YOUR CODE.
SO WHERE ARE THE COORDINATE ON HAVING TO COORDINATE? I JUST, MY INTERPRETATION OF IT WAS THAT IT WOULD NO LONGER BE MINE.
IT WOULD BE, OR MINE, THE TOWNS, IT WOULD BE DISCOVER FRONT ROYAL WOULD, WOULD DO THAT EVENT.
AND THE SPIRIT OF THIS, OF THIS AGREEMENT IS THAT THERE ARE GOING TO BE COMMUNITY EVENTS, BUT THAT WE WANT, IF, WHERE THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO MAKE IT A HUGE EVENT AND ATTRACT PEOPLE FROM 50 MILES AND OVER TO FAR OIL TO STAY OVERNIGHT, WE WANT TO COLLABORATE IN THOSE EFFORTS.
THAT IS THE ONLY TRUE DISTINCTION IS THAT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO GET AWAY FROM OURS.
AND THERE'S BECAUSE IT'S ALL HOURS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING ON.
WE'RE JUST GOING TO BE WORKING ON IT IN DIFFERENT LITTLE GROUPS, BUT IT'S ALL OURS.
YOU MEAN IT'S HOURS IN THE COMMUNITY, OURS AS A COMMUNITY, BECAUSE EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS IN TOURISM AFFECTS, BUT THE TERMINAL.
I THINK IN LIZZIE'S CASE, SHE'S SAYING AS IN LIKE, THIS IS YOUR JOB AND YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE DOING YOUR JOB.
I RESPECT WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING, LIKE, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT, UM, THE LONGER A PART OF, CAUSE YOU'VE TAKEN ALL THIS TIME TO PLAY IN ALL THESE COMMUNITY GATHERINGS FOR US, THAT'S IN THERE, THAT'S IN Y'ALL PACK IN SOMEWHERE TO NUMBER FIVE.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY, EVERYBODY GOT OH, SO ON THE SECTION, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE RITAJ PRODUCT.
SO ON THE SECTION UNDER REPURPOSED, RIGHT? YEAH.
THAT PART THAT SAYS ANY TOURISM EXPENDITURE IS OUTSIDE, THE OBLIGATIONS SHALL COORDINATE WITH.
SO WE'RE SAYING THAT'S ALL GOING AWAY.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT IN THERE.
IS THAT WHAT EVERYBODY AGREED TO OR NOT AGREED? SO HERE'S, IT HERE'S A, AN ISSUE BECAUSE ONE OF MY DOCUMENTS HAS IT MARKED OUT THE OTHER ONE, HAS IT TYPED IN, IT SHOULD BE KEPT IN.
SO THAT THERE'S A PARTNERSHIP THAT HAS, HAS COLLECTED.
I DON'T, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY.
I THINK INSTEAD OF COORDINATING AND IT'S A SYNTAX THING, COLLABORATE WOULD BE BETTER.
CAUSE I THINK WHEN PEOPLE SEE THE WORD COORDINATE, THEY IN SOME WAY, THINK THAT MEANS THAT IF I CALL YOU AND IT WILL WORK FOR YOU AND IT WON'T WORK FOR ME, THEN WE'RE NO LONGER DOING IT.
I'VE BEEN COLLABORATING IS WORKING TOGETHER WELL.
BUT COURTNEY IS, IT'S TOTALLY FINE THERE.
LIKE WHEN MY FRIENDS CALL AND THEY'RE LIKE, HEY, YOU WANT TO GO OUT WITH THEM? AND I'M LIKE, LET ME FORWARD ME BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO FIGURE IT OUT.
SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S A HUGE MOMENT.
I THINK THIS IS FINE AS PRESENTED.
SO WHICH PART DID YOU SUGGEST WE TAKE OUT THE EXPENDITURES PART? NO, I DIDN'T SUGGEST ANYTHING REALLY COMING OUT.
I WOULD JUST GET SOME CLARIFICATION AROUND THE QUESTION THAT WAS, UH, UM, WHAT I READ IS FINE.
HOWEVER, I LIKE TO UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT MORE, HOW ARE WE GOING TO MEASURE THE PERFORMANCE? THAT'S A BUZZ, GOOD PASSWORD TONIGHT.
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IT'S HAVING A MID MAPS OR A QUICK SO OF WHATEVER.THERE ARE METRICS AND THE STATISTICS AND THE METRICS PERFORMANCE ARE IN OUR, CURRENTLY IN THE JLL CONTRACT.
BUT I THINK THAT AS WE HAVE GROWN, WE NEED TO REDEFINE SOME OF THOSE METRICS BECAUSE THEY WANT METRICS.
THEY DON'T WANT, THEY WANT TO SHOW AND DEMONSTRATE THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE TOURISM DMO.
SO HOW DO THESE MEASUREMENTS GET TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS? SO WHAT WILL HAPPEN? AND THIS IS WHAT I HAVE PROPOSED, AND THIS IS NOT FORMED BY ALYSSA.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THEM COMING AND REPORTING ON A QUARTERLY BASIS OR, AND MAYBE EVEN, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER ORGANIZATION WE SUPPORT THE LIBRARY COMES IN REPORTS.
THE, YOU KNOW, SO THE DMO WOULD COME AND REPORT TO US ON A QUARTERLY BASIS.
SO COULD WE ADD SOMETHING IN HERE? JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, PERFORMANCE METRICS PER YOU KNOW, AS CALLED OUT AND CONTRACT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO IF SOMEONE WANTS TO KNOW WHAT THOSE METRICS ARE, THEY FOLLOW THE DOTS OR COME UP WITH OTHER WORDS, LET'S CLARIFY.
SO THIS IS, UH, AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE BOTH OF YOU WHERE THE SUPERVISORS AND THE 10 COUNCIL THEN A CONTRACT IS, OR AN MOA.
EITHER ONE IS DOWN BETWEEN EACH OF THE ENTITIES AND THE 5 0 1 C SIX.
SO THAT IS WHERE YOU WANT TO PUT YOUR, YOUR METRICS.
YOU WANT TO SAY, I AM, YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO PROVIDE YOU THIS, THESE, THIS FUNDING, AND THEN I'M HOLDING YOU ACCOUNTABLE FOR THESE METRICS.
AND WE WOULD HIGHLY WELCOME THAT AS PART OF THE PROBLEM ALL ALONG.
AND SO IF THIS IS JUST SAYING, WE'RE GOING TO AGREE TO DO THIS TOGETHER, RIGHT? OKAY.
SOME WORDS AND MUSIC IN HERE ABOUT MEASUREMENTS.
AND NOW, IF IT'S JUST A SENTENCE THAT SAYS THAT YOUR SCHOOL WILL BE ENTAILED WITH THE FI THE NON-PROFIT, I'M HAPPY WITH THAT.
I JUST WANT STUFF IN, WHERE WILL THIS FALL BETWEEN THE , IF I AM REALLY GLAD TO HAVE SOMEHOW TO FOLLOW THE PATH, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE AS AN ENTREPRENEUR, I AM, I'M READING THIS AND I'M LIKE, WELL, HOW AM I GOING TO MEASURE YOUR PERFORMANCE? AND I'M HEARING ALL, THIS IS JUST, THIS IS BETWEEN THE GOVERNMENT.
THERE'S NO PERFORMANCE TO MEASURE BETWEEN THE TOWN.
WE HAVEN'T HAD A PERFORMANCE SET IN THE AGREEMENT THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT.
KNOW, BUT ANYWAY, THIS THAT'S FINE.
I, I WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOMETHING IN THIS AGREEMENT THAT THERE'S SOME TYPE OF OVERSIGHT AT THE BOARD LEVEL THAT, YOU KNOW, AND WE WILL INCLUDE THAT IN THE CONTRACT WE HAVE WITH THE DMO, WE WILL SAY TO THEM THAT THESE ARE, AND WE HOPEFULLY WILL HAVE THE SAME PERFORMANCE FOR BOTH ENTITIES, BUT I UNDERSTAND YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE SOME LEVEL, AND WE CAN SAY THAT BOTH PARTIES WILL ENSURE THE PERFORMANCE AND METRICS OF THIS, SOMETHING IN HERE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE ALL WILL GO AWAY FOR YEARS OR WHAT NOT.
AND SO IN MY FIELD, WELL, THERE WAS NO PERFORMANCE IN BEER, YOU KNOW, NOT KNOWING THE HISTORY OF IT BECAUSE THAT IS SOMETHING TO TIE INTO PERFORMANCE.
CAN WE, CAN WE ALL AGREE TO JUST ADD A BLURB ABOUT , THERE WILL BE ESTABLISHED METRICS IN THERE.
AND SO, CAN WE ALL AGREE TO THIS AS, OH, I, YEAH, TO THAT POINT, I WOULD AGREE THAT WE SHOULDN'T HAVE LEARNED ABOUT PERFORMANCE.
UM, JUST AS I DESCRIBED TO SO MANY PEOPLE, UM, I THINK THAT THIS PUTTING NAKED, THE C6 PART IS A, IS A MISTAKE.
I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT WHAT'S, WHAT'S REALLY, EVERYBODY'S TRYING TO EXPRESS IS THAT WE WANT TO DO TOURISM.
I MEAN, I THINK WE SHOULD REHAB THAT DISCUSSION, BUT I MEAN, IF WE'RE, IF WE'VE ARRIVED MENTALLY ON THE IDEA OF DOING TOURS AND WE WANT TO DO IT SMART, THAT'S FINE TOO.
UM, BUT I THINK WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY DESCRIBING IS CREATING A GRANT.
UM, AND I THINK THAT IF WE WERE TO REDO IT, WE WOULD COME UP WITH THE IDEA OF CREATING A GRANT THAT'S FUNDED, JOINTLY BY THE COUNTY AND THE TOWN, AND THEN ENTITIES COULD COME AND APPLY.
AND IF IT'S A 5 0 1 C6 THAT HAS THE BEST PROPOSAL, WE WOULD DO IT.
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OR JUST SOME PRIVATE CONTRACTOR, WE WOULD DO IT.BUT I MEAN, I, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT LIKE, UM, SOMEBODY COMING TO ME LIKE A FRIEND AND SAY, SCOTT, CAN YOU, CAN YOU ADVISE ME ON BUYING A HOUSE? I'M IN? WELL, I WAS LIKE, OKAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, I'M IN LOVE AND, AND, UH, WE'RE GOING TO BUY A HOUSE.
WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU AND I WERE BOTH CONSERVATIVE.
I THINK USUALLY FOR CONSERVATIVES MARRIAGE COMES BEFORE THE HOUSE.
IF WE'VE ARRIVED AT THIS POINT WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO BUY THE HOUSE AND THEN TELL ME, CAN YOU SHOW ME THE CONTRACT? WELL, YOU KNOW, SURE.
THE CONTRACT SAYS THAT WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO SPEND 70% OF OUR INCOME ON IT.
WELL, WHICH HOUSE ARE YOU GOING TO DO? WELL, WE DON'T KNOW WHICH HOUSE WELL, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO FIGURE OUT WHICH HOUSE YOU'RE GOING TO BUY? WELL, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE IT TO DISCOVER FROM ROYAL.
WELL, WHO'S ON DISCOVER FOR ROYAL.
WE DON'T KNOW WHO'S ON DISCOVER FRONT ROYAL.
WELL, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO PICK THE HOUSE? WE DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE GOING TO PICK HOUSE EITHER, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO COMMIT TO 70% OF YOUR INCOME TO PAY FOR THIS PROJECT.
I CAN'T ADVISE YOU TO DO THAT AS YOUR LAWYER.
I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S A GOOD APPROACH.
I THINK WHAT YOU SHOULD DO IS WAIT UNTIL, YOU KNOW, THE 5 0 1 C6 IS FORMED, THE BYLAWS ARE IN PLACE.
THE PEOPLE ARE IN PLACE AND THEN SAY, HEY, AND YOU KNOW, BY THE WAY, THERE'S, THERE'S, HOW ARE WE GOING TO SPEND MONEY? AND WHAT ARE THE METRICS THAT WE'RE GOING TO USE? AND THEN WE LOOK AT IT AND SAY, THIS IS A GREAT PROPOSAL.
BUT RIGHT NOW, LIKE I'VE SAID BEFORE THE CARDS, BEFORE THE WARS, WE'RE COMMITTING TO SPENDING MONEY BEFORE WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S IN IT, WE HAVE A GENERAL IDEA.
I MEAN, WE KNOW WHO'S INVOLVED IN THERE.
EXCELLENT PEOPLE WHO'VE BEEN DOING EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT RESEARCH.
BUT WHAT I'M JUST SAYING IS LIKE, WE HAVE A BIT OF A PROCESS PROBLEM, AND I THINK IT'S A SERIOUS ONE.
UM, AND ONE THAT WE COULD LIKE END UP REGRETTING DOWN THE ROAD.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE C6 IS A THING THAT WE CAN'T GET OUT OF.
AND SO I WOULD JUST ADVISE US TO, TO WORK ON THE PROCESS A LITTLE BIT MORE BEFORE COMMITTING THIS, ALRIGHT, YOU FOR THE SAKE OF EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM, ME AND SCOTT ARE COOL.
HOWEVER, WE ARE NOT PUSHING THIS DOWN THE ROAD ANYMORE.
WE ARE AGREEING TO THIS AND WE WERE MOVING FORWARD.
BETHEL ANALOGY YOU DID IS GREAT, BUT IT, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THESE PEOPLE FOR LIKE TWO YEARS.
WE'VE GOTTEN TO THIS STAGE WHERE WE AGREED ON SOMETHING, WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD.
WE CAN'T DISCUSS GOVERNMENTAL PHILOSOPHIES AND THEORIES.
WE'RE HOLDING PEOPLE HOSTAGE, LIKE WE WERE JUST DOING WITH THE BUILDERS, RIGHT? SO NOW WE'RE HOLDING TOURISM HOSTAGE.
I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT ANYMORE.
I WANT TO MOVE FORWARD BASED ON WHAT WE DISCUSSED LAST WEEK OR THE WEEK, I'VE GOT A QUESTION AND THAT'S THE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT METRICS, BUT FIRST OF ALL, WHAT METRICS ARE THEY WHO'S GOING TO DEVELOP THEM AND WHO'S GOING TO AGREE TO THEM.
AND WHO'S, THEY'RE IN THE THERE'S ALREADY A CONTRACT WITH JS IS THAT SPECIFIED, SPECIFIED.
THIS IS JUST THE CONTRACT BETWEEN THE TOWNS AND COUNTY.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO DO THE METRICS.
, THEY'RE CURRENTLY COLLECTING METRICS AS WELL, BUT THIS IS JUST THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE TOWN AND COUNTY TO WORK WITH THEM, TO GIVE US THE METRICS.
SO THERE'S NO METRICS BETWEEN THE TOWN AND COUNTY.
I THINK WE MIGHT RUN FOR, YES.
I THINK WE DIDN'T DO THE, WE DIDN'T DO THE MONEY PART.
WHERE THE 65, THE NUMBERS ARE ALL JACKED UP.
IF WE GO TO DISCOVER PUMP ROLL SHOWER, IT'S LIKE 1, 2, 3, 2, 3, 4, 5, ANYWAY.
BUT, UM, BUT WE HAVE BE FUNDED AT A MINIMUM, THE TRAIN.
Y'ALL KNOW WE DISCUSSED THIS IN OUR CLASS, RIGHT? ABOUT HOW YOU'RE FUNDED.
YOU TALKED ABOUT THE WHOLE PUTTING FOR SEX ON IT.
IT HAS TO BE ADDED BECAUSE THIS IS THE ORIGINAL TYPE OF ADDED YOUR PERCENTAGES.
YEAH, WE HAVEN'T HAD A THING FOR US.
IT'S IN BLUE, BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY AFTER WE LEFT LAST WEEK, WE ALL TALKED ABOUT LIKE UP TO, AND I ORIGINALLY SAID 75 AND WE SAID 65.
AND WE SET UP TO THE THING ABOUT, UP TO IS UP TO THESE BAGS UP TO COULD MEAN TWO BOOKS.
BUT THE THING THAT YOU DIDN'T TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN YOU SAID IT WASN'T ENOUGH AT 70 OR 65 ON PAGE THREE, NUMBER THREE OF THE ONE WHO EVER CAME, AT LEAST THE VISITOR CENTER,
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WE HAD ALSO TALKED ABOUT WHAT TYPE OF CREDIT WE WERE GOING TO RECEIVE FOR THAT, WHICH WASN'T TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN YOU SAID 60 PRACTICES CLOSING, RIGHT? THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME MONETARY VALUE TO US HAVING THE BRICK AND MORTAR TO THEM.I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY WE'VE I THINK THE UP TO IS DUE TO PAY FOR ON OUR PART, I'M SAYING ARE UP TO, UM, BUT HERE'S WHAT I DO.
AND I MIGHT BE STEALING SOMEBODY ELSE'S WORDS.
I THINK WE NEED A FLOOR AND WE NEED A CEILING.
WE NEED TO SAY NO MORE THAN, OR NOW WE'RE THEM, BUT THEY'RE LESS THAN THAT.
THAT'S HOW I WAS GOING TO SAY WE SET UP TWO UP TUESDAY BECAUSE UP TO COULD BE 1%, RIGHT.
BUT, BUT 70%, WE MIGHT NOT WANT TO GO WITH THE NUMBER 70%.
MAYBE WE WANT TO GO WITH A NUMBER LIKE 200,000 OR NO MORE THAN 250,000.
WHEN WE DISCUSSED THIS LAST WEEK, WE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT IF OUR NUMBERS GO UP, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE WANT THAT TO BE EFFECTED? BUT I ALSO THINK THAT WE DON'T WANT TO JUST HAVE IT COMPLETELY AT THAT AMOUNT, BECAUSE THEN THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY MOTIVATION TO EVER.
THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY MOTIVATION FOR THE PERFORMANCE METRICS, 80% OF THE TAX REVENUE FROM WHAT 70% OF NOW IS GOING TO BE A LOT MORE IF WE PERFORM, BUT DO WE, OKAY? WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO THAT? TO GET 600,000, THEY'RE DOING THEIR JOB.
THAT'S GOOD TAX AND LODGING TAXES.
I THOUGHT I WAS GETTING TOO WEAK LAST WEEK, BUT, UM, THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO DO.
I JUST DIDN'T SAY AN UP TO IS TOO VAGUE.
AND IT, I MEAN, UP TO WE SET UP, I DON'T THINK WE FIT UP TO YOU TO AVOID PUTTING A DOLLAR AMOUNT, LIKE 200,000, BECAUSE MAYBE NOT ENOUGH.
AND THEN WE NEED TO INCREASE IT.
CAUSE WE SAID WORK ON PREGNANT 200,000.
SO WE'RE JUST SAYING THAT WE'RE DEDICATING 65% OF OUR ATTACKS ARE TOWARD THE TEXAS TOWARD THE RELATED TAXES, TOWARDS THE ENVIRONMENT.
AND AS CORAZON ERIC WE EXPECT THAT.
SO WE SAY 65 OR WE SAY UP TO 70, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE.
THAT'S ALL I'M STANDING UP TO AS A LAWYER DOWN THERE UP TO COULD BE LITERALLY WE COULD WALK INTO, NOT LESS THAN X, THOUSANDS.
LET'S GIVE IT OVER FOR LESS THAN, DEPENDING ON THAT 30% OR WHATEVER.
I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY LESS OR ONE, OUR INTENTION IS TO DO THE FULL AMOUNT AND WE KNOW SITTING AROUND THIS TABLE TONIGHT, BUT THAT'S OUR INTENTION AND FUTURE COUNCILS CAN'T GO ANY LOWER THAN EXCEPT FOR FOUR.
AND THEY SHOULDN'T WANT TO, IF WE'RE MAKING ENOUGH MONEY.
WELL, I MEAN, IT'S AN EXIT CLAUSE.
IF YOU CAN, IF YOU CAN FIND HER AT ZERO, THEN THAT'S A WAY TO ADJUST ONE.
FUNDING WOULD BE THE EXIT CLAUSE WE'RE COMING INTO ZERO.
I MEAN, BUT IF WE, IF WE CHANGE, IF WE CHANGE THE TO 30%, THEN WE HAVE TIED OUR HANDS TO 30%, UNLESS WE STOPPED FUNDING THEM ALL TOGETHER AND PULL OUT THIS AT AWAY, WHICH IS ALWAYS AN OPTION.
BUT THAT WAS ACTUALLY WHY I RAISED MY HAND IS WHAT HAPPENS TO THE, UH, MARKETING ORGANIZATION.
IF WE PULL OUT THAT NOISE, IT GOES TO THE MARKETING ORGANIZATION.
I'M GOING TO TELL YOU, UH, THAT'S NOT, WHAT'S IN THE WHO IS IN AGREEMENT THEN THAT THIS DOCUMENT PRETTY MUCH COVERS EVERYTHING THAT YOU GUYS WANT.
I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE TO SEND HER WHERE WE ARE OBLIGATED BY THE COACHES TO DO 3% OF OUR TRANSIENT LONG SEE TAX, WHICH IS TYPICALLY AROUND 200 TO TWO 10.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW I'VE MR. HICKS PROVIDED ME WITH THE VERSION THAT HE
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PROVIDED TO THE TOWN COUNCIL MEMBERS.AND I JUST WANTED BOARD MEMBERS TO HAVE HIS DIFFERENT .
THERE WERE SOME SECTIONS THAT THEY WERE .
THERE WERE SOME SECTIONS THAT THEY REFERENCED.
WE'RE HAVING THAT LAST WEEK WITH THIS, I SAY, OKAY, CAN WE CLARIFY? THAT WAS CROSSED OUT.
SO THAT CAN BE LOOKING AT SIR WE'RE SUPPRESSING.
I JUST ASKED THAT THIS ROCKY IS IF WE COULD GET A COPY OF THE BIBLE AND C3 AGREEMENT THAT HAS THAT CONTRACT WITH THEM SEPARATELY, JAY, THIS IS AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY TO MOVE FORWARD, TO DIRECT OUR TOURISM OCCUPANCY TAX MONEY TO A DLL.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT THAT DOESN'T EXIST RIGHT NOW, BUT WILL EXIST THAT WE CAN TERMINATE THIS.
THEY WANT TO, TO, TO MEASURE X.
AND WE SAY, WELL, WE WANT TO MEASURE Y AND THEN THE TWO OF US WERE SAYING, WHAT THE HELL? I DON'T LIKE THIS.
I THINK THAT THAT IS BETWEEN US AND THE DMO SEPARATELY.
WE'D SO J THE WAY THAT IT WORKS, I KNOW IT'S CONFUSING, BUT THIS AGREEMENT IS BETWEEN THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY.
THEY WON'T EAT EACH, EXECUTE A CONTRACT WITH THE DESTINATION MANAGEMENT OR DESTINATION MARKETING ORGANIZATION.
AND THAT AGREEMENT WE HAVE WITH THEM WILL BE OUR AGREEMENT WITH THEM.
SO IF WE SAY WE WANT THESE METRICS AND THE TOWN SAYS THEY WANT DIFFERENT METRICS.
IT WON'T MATTER BECAUSE THEY'RE PART.
BUT IF OKAY, AND LET ME BE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE HERE.
WHAT HAPPENS IF THE COUNTY COMES IN AND SAYS, WELL, WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO SHOW THAT, UH, 70% OF THE ACTIVITY THAT GOES ON WITHIN ORANGE COUNTY, THAT THE, THE TOURISM ACTIVITY COMES TO FRONT ROYAL.
AND WE SAY, NO, WE WANT IT 50%.
AND WE TELL THEM, NO, WE WANT A 50% BASE DATE.
THAT'S NOT REALLY THE KIND OF METRICS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WEBSITE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT QUANTIFY.
SO, SO THEN, SO THEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, UH, THE LAGGING METRICS.
SO THAT INSTEAD OF SAYING, I WANT TO, I WANT TO SHOOT FOR X AMOUNT AND YOU'RE SAYING, OKAY, WELL, WE'LL BE ABLE TO SHOOT TO, TO PROVE WHAT WE'VE DONE BY THE, UH, BY THE RESULTS THAT WE'VE GOT.
AND THAT'S THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN PROVE IT.
IT'S IT'S BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE MEASURING IS THE CONVERSION RATE OF PEOPLE WHO YOU ARE TARGETING ON, ON A WEBSITE TO PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING HERE TO SPEND THEIR DOLLARS.
RIGHT? THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE HAVE THE MEASURE IS SALES PACKS AND TRANSIENT OCCUPANCY TAX AND MEALS TAX.
THAT'S IT? THOSE ARE YOUR THREE.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHERS, RIGHT? SO THERE'S LIKE, LIKE YOUR, YOUR SHORT-TERM STUDIES LIKE YOUR AIRBNB, DO YOU HAVE LIKE, UM, AIR DNA AND THOSE METRICS ARE OUT THERE RIGHT NOW FOR WARREN COUNTY.
YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE AS THINGS GO ALONG AND YOU CAN LOOK AT HISTORICAL TRENDS.
AND SO IF YOU SEE YOU'RE PUTTING A $400,000 IN, AND THINGS ARE GROWING BY 10, 20%, THAT IT'S WORTH, RIGHT.
SO YOU CAN LOOK BACK OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS AND SEE IF EVERYTHING'S FLATLINING, BUT SUDDENLY YOU'RE INJECTING THIS MARKETING MATERIAL.
NOW THINGS ARE STARTING TO TREND OUT.
AND SO WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS WHEN WE GO TO WORK WITH BOTH OF YOU, WE WOULD PUT TOGETHER, THIS IS FROM A MARKETING PERSPECTIVE, THE NORMAL METRICS YOU WOULD LOOK AT AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SHOW YOU.
YOU CAN TALK BACK AND SAY, NO, WE WANT THIS AS WELL, BUT WE WOULD LEAN ON JLL AS A MARKETING EXPERT TO SAY, THESE ARE THE NUMBERS THAT EVERYBODY LOOKS AT FROM A MARKETING PERSPECTIVE.
SO THIS IS HOW YOU WOULD JUDGE, WHETHER YOU'RE GOOD OR BAD, PERFECT TO THE METRICS QUESTION.
THERE, THERE ARE, UH, ENTITIES OR, OR COUNTIES STATES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY WHO HAD, WHO HAVE LONG EXPERIENCE IN SPENDING MONEY IN PRISONS.
THEY CARRY, RELOCATING, WANT TO SAY LAS VEGAS, $300 MILLION A YEAR.
I'D BE REALLY INTERESTED TO SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY METRICS THAT ARE AVAILABLE IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY THINK THEY'RE GETTING IN RETURN
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FOR THAT MONEY SPENT.IT HAS TO EXIST OUT THERE SOMEWHERE.
AND THERE ALSO OUGHT TO BE SOME THOUGHTS ON WHERE THE DIMINISHING RETURNS COME IN.
BECAUSE LIKE I SAY BEFORE, IF IT'S REALLY A MULTIPLIER EFFECT AND WE'RE MAKING MONEY OFF THIS MONEY, WE SPEND, WE SHOULD PUT 50% OF OUR BUDGET IN IT AND WE CAN SOLVE THE NATION'S DEBT PRICES, BUT THAT'S NOT.
IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE AT SOME POINT YOU'RE JUST POURING INTO MONEY, YOUR MONEY INTO SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T WORK, BUT THERE'S, THERE ARE ECONOMISTS AND OTHERS WHO, WHO HAVE PUT THEIR MINDS TO, AND HOW DO WE HAVE THE 70% TRANSIENT PRACTICAL, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANY MONEY TO GIVE THEM IT DOESN'T WORK, BUT THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO 70%, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM.
WELL, AT WORK, STOP USING, CAN I ADDRESS THE METRICS? SO, UM, THERE IS A LOT OF RESEARCH OUT THERE.
IT DESTINATIONS INTERNATIONAL ACTUALLY LOOKS AT TOURISM CMOS ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND THEY LIST WHAT THE POSTED COMMENTS AND THE LEAST COMMON METRICS ARE.
AND THEY WILL PROVIDE YOU THE ENTIRE LIST.
THERE'S PROBABLY 35 DIFFERENT METRICS ON THAT LIST.
SO YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE.
UM, WE WERE ALSO, UM, THANKFULLY, UM, WE WERE ALSO HELPED BY MANY JURISDICTIONS ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND THEY HANDED US THEIR METRICS AS WELL.
SO YOU HAVE THOSE AS WELL, AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO GET YOU A FULL LIST OF ALL OF THOSE, UM, SO THAT, UM, YOU'RE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE SIGNING UP WITH US TO ALSO GET YOUR CONTRACTS BETWEEN GMOS OTHER 1, 3, 5 0 1, THESE FIXES AND, UH, JURISDICTIONS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY AS WELL.
UM, SO WE'LL PROVIDE ALL OF THOSE TO YOU.
THE REAL REASON FOR DOING THIS AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU, UM, IS BECAUSE YOU'LL HAVE TO ASK US TO DO THIS.
YOU HAVE ASKED TO OUTSOURCE YOUR TOURISM.
WE AGREE TO DO THAT AND TAKE THE RISK TO DO THAT.
UM, WE'RE NOT ABOUT TO DO THAT THOUGH.
UM, UNTIL YOU'RE BOTH ON THE SAME PAGE AND WE BOTH WILLING TO FUND IT BECAUSE WE THEN HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS WHERE, UM, AND THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE THOUGHT WE WOULD EVER WANT TO DO.
WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS AND CREATE A 5 0 1 C SIX.
NOW, IF YOU'RE NOT, WE'D GO AND DO THAT.
AND YOU GUYS ARE NOT ON THE SAME PAGE AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO FUND US.
THEN WE'RE GOING TO CREATE A CLOUD ONE C6 FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON.
AND WE WILL THEN ALSO BE AT RISK.
AND THEN WE HAVE TO DISSOLVE THAT BOTTLE.
ONCE YOU SAID, YOU HAVE TO HIRE PEOPLE, WE HAVE TO EITHER GET THIS UP AND GOING AND SO FORTH.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING YOU.
WE'RE ASKING YOU TO AGREE, TO WORK TOGETHER AND AGREE TO FUND TOGETHER.
THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING YOU TO DO.
UM, AND THAT'S WHY THIS IS, YOU KNOW, PART BEFORE THE FOREST.
THAT'S NOT REALLY NOT AS FAR AS WE'RE CONCERNED, BECAUSE YOU ARE ASKING, YOU CAME UP WITH THIS IDEA TO OUTSOURCE.
WE NEVER EVEN ASKED YOU TO DO THAT.
YOU CAME UP WITH THE IDEA AND THOSE WERE THOSE BEFORE YOU AND SAID, PLEASE, COUNSEL, CAN YOU GO AND BE OUR, OUR OUTSOURCED GROUP? AND THEY SAID, YES.
AND YOU WERE GOING TO DO IT THROUGH AN AUTHORITY.
AND HE SAID, OH, NO, NO, NO, THAT'S TOO MUCH RISK FOR US.
WILL YOU GET IN THOUGH AND DO SOMETHING ELSE? WELL, WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE YOUR BEST.
YOU'LL TAKE THE RECIPE SAID, OKAY, WE'LL DO THAT.
BUT YOU GUYS GOT TO AGREE THAT YOU'RE ALL IN ON IT BEFORE WE GO AND DO THAT.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE ON THAT.
AND THE PERCENTAGE THING IS A REALLY GOOD IDEA, BUT I THINK THERE'S YEARS DOWN ROAD, THIS MMA CAN BE MODIFIED.
ONCE YOU START TO SEE THE RESULTS FROM YOU.
WELL, JUST TO EXPLAIN TO YOU ABOUT THE PERCENTAGE, THE REASON WHERE THAT CAME UP RIGHT, IS BECAUSE I JUST WANTED YOU TO KNOW.
SO WHAT HAPPENED IS WHEN PEOPLE STARTED TALKING ABOUT, THERE WERE, THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS ON OUR COUNCIL OF PEOPLE THAT WE WERE SPENDING TAXPAYER DOLLARS FOR, FOR, YOU KNOW, ATTRACTING PEOPLE FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE.
AND SO THE THOUGHT WAS IS THAT IF WE WERE SPENDING THE LODGE AND TAX, THEN THERE REALLY COULDN'T BE AN ARGUMENT THAT IT WAS TALENT CITIZENS SPENDING THE MONEY ON IT.
AND I EXPLAIN THEM THAT, RIGHT.
AND I EXPLAINED IT, THAT THAT IS WHERE WE CAME UP, WHY WE SAID LIKE THIS WAS, SO WE AGREED TO DO THAT BECAUSE A PERCENTAGE OF THE TRANSIENTS LAUNDRY AND TAX IS, UM, UH, IN ESSENCE, A METRIC, BECAUSE IF WE'RE MAKING MONEY OFF OF LODGE AND LET THEM, YOU'RE STAYING THE NIGHT VISITING.
UM, SO WE AGREED TO DO A PERCENTAGE OF THAT BASED ON WE'LL LOOK AT THREE
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OR FIVE YEARS, BJ OF THE TRANSIENT LODGING TAX AND WHAT THINGS LIKE A PANDEMIC.WE THOUGHT A PERCENTAGE DOESN'T LOCK US INTO A DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT WE MIGHT NOT MEET NEXT YEAR.
CAN WE COME UP WITH A PLAN FIRST IN LIEU OF AN AGREEMENT, AN IDEA PLAN, AND THEN, THEN WOULD WE SAY, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'D LIKE YOU TO DO.
AND THEN WE SIT DOWN WITH THE TOWN, OKAY.
AND THE TOWN, THE TWO OF US DETERMINED THAT, OKAY, THIS IS THE PLAN WE WANT INSTEAD OF AN AGREEMENT THAT THIS IS THE PLAN WE WANT TO FOLLOW.
AND THEN WE SIT DOWN WITH THE AGREEMENT BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY GOT A PLAN THAT WILL FEED INTO THAT AGREEMENT TWO YEARS.
YOU'RE TURNING TO THE PARTY, BUT WE HAVE A PLAN.
WE JUST NOW NEED TO GET AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE TWO OF US JL JLL.
IS THERE ALREADY BEEN CONTRACTS THEY'VE BEEN CONTRACTED FOR OVER TWO YEARS? UM, THIS IS THE ONLY THING HOLDING UP OUR TOURISM, HOLDING US UP FOR MOVING FORWARD.
UM, TYING THESE GUYS HANDS FROM WHAT THEY CAN DO, TAKING UP THEIR TIME ON MEETINGS EVERY WEEK.
AND NOBODY CAN MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT THIS AGREEMENT RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE HE DID AGREE THAT THE ITALIAN COUNTY ARE GOING TO WORK TOGETHER AND NOT IN A COMPETITIVE NATURE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO WORK TOGETHER AS A TEAM AND HAVE THIS ORGANIZATION RUN OR, OR IT'S ALREADY FUNDED.
SO WE TRIED IT, WE KIND OF DID DO, AND THEN PLAN.
AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO DO PHASE AGAIN.
THEN THE METRICS IS GOING TO LET US CHECK EVERYTHING AND WE'VE ALREADY GOT SOME METRICS INTO NETS.
AND THEN WE CAN ACT TO EITHER RESOLVE THAT, UH, FOLLOW THROUGH AND Z TAKE BACK THE DMO OR WHATEVER IN THAT, IN THAT PHASE, IF WE CHECK IN IT DOESN'T WORK, DO FIRST, WHICH WAS KIND OF YOU'RE RIGHT.
WE WERE KIND OF, BUT NOW WE'RE IN THIS REALLY, WE'VE BEEN IN THIS LONGSTANDING PLAN PHASE TO TRY TO GET TO A DUE AGAIN, ACTUALLY TO WRITE THOSE DO THAT WAS DONE INDIVIDUALLY.
SO IF WE LOOK AT THAT AND PLAN YOUR CHECKOUT FORMAT, WE ARE NOW GETTING INTO THAT STAGE.
AND THAT'S WHERE, LIKE I WAS TALKING ABOUT THIS ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL AND ANSWERING QUESTIONS ABOUT ASKING QUESTIONS WITH JLL, A METRICS AND STUFF LIKE THAT WHILE I WAS RUNNING FOR CAMPAIGN OR OVER A YEAR AGO.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S HOW LONG THIS BEEN GOING ON.
BUT, UM, I, I, I THINK THAT IF YOU CAN GET THIS MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT SETTLED BETWEEN TOWN AND COUNTY, THAT WILL THEN PUT US INTO A NEW PLAN, DO CHECK ACT PHASE OF PLANNING TO GET THE 5 0 3, 1 C UP AND RUNNING.
AND THEN WE CAN, WE CAN DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE ON THAT PROCESS TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT, BUT THE METRICS AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT NEEDS TO BE PUT IN PLACE.
AND THEN WE CAN, UM, YOU KNOW, REALLY GET THIS THING MOVING.
BUT I FEEL LIKE WE'RE, THIS IS, I MEAN, THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT AND WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON IT, BUT IT ALSO IS ONE OF THESE THINGS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO TALK WITH YOU, THAT WE WANT TO TAKE THIS TO A BOOK FOR QUITE SOME TIME TO JUST KIND OF, CAN WE, IS THERE ANY CONSENSUS IN THIS ROOM TO MOVE THIS ALONG? I MEAN, WE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT SINCE PROVIDED THAT WE'VE PUT OVERSIGHT OF PERFORMANCE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU HAVE THIS, UH, SECTION THREE UNDER OBLIGATIONS.
THIS IS THE COMMITTEE SHELL PARADE FOR ONE SLEEP, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
SO CAN WE QUIT? NUMBER TWO, THE COMMITTEE SHALL PROVIDE OVERSIGHT OF A 5 0 1 C SIX PERFORMANCE METRICS AT PRESENT METRICS RESULT QUARTERLY TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
BUT THE COMMITTEE IS THE FATHER WELL, SO, SO THEY'LL JUST REPORT.
SO WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS SHE WANTS TO PUT A LINE IN THERE THAT BASICALLY SAYS THAT THE 5 0 1 C6 WILL REPORT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS QUARTERLY AS IT'S CALLED OUT, AGREED UPON METRICS.
THERE SEEMS TO BE TWO IMPRESSIONS ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS TO THE DMO.
IF WE STOPPED FUNDING THE 5 0 1 CS, WE RETAIN ALL AROUND I MEAN THAT WE HAVE THAT IMPRESSION.
THAT'S WHAT WE AGREED TO, BUT I DON'T SEE THAT I MAY HAVE MISSED .
UM, ANYWAY, I JUST WANT TO SAY AGAIN TO NOT COUNCILMAN, WE NEED MORE, I MEAN, I, I'M NOT SAYING YOU HAVE TO, I'M JUST SAYING, I REALLY THINK WE NEED TO SAY, YOU KNOW, IN UNIFORM, I THINK WE NEED TO SAY FOR A FLOOR, I LIKE TO KNOW LESS THAN 50%.
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PERFECT.WHAT DID YOU WANT THE FLOOR TO BE? I'M FINE WITH THAT.
IF YOU EVER GONE YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S MORE THAN ONE QUARTER, LESS THAN 50% UP TO SEVEN.
IS THAT OKAY WITH EVERYBODY SO FAR ALSO BEFORE THE TOWN, RIGHT? I MEAN, FOR THE COUNTY, THE COUNTY HAS TO DO, YOU ALL HAVE TO DO, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPEND ANY MONEY ON THE IRON, THE PEOPLE, WE CAN DO IT ON , BUT I'M NOT GOING TO CHANGE YOUR AGREEMENT.
ONE DAY AT A TIME OR ONE THING.
SO THE DMO IS A CERTIFICATE OF TRANSFER.
MY UNDERSTANDING, CARRIE, MAYBE YOU CAN SPEAK TO THAT BECAUSE WE'VE TALKED TO THE VIRGINIA TOURISM COMMISSION AND BASICALLY THE DMO CURRENTLY IT EXISTS IN THE TOWN.
YOU GUYS HAVE, YOU ARE THE DMO DISCOVER FRONT OIL IS THE DMO CURRENTLY.
SO YOU'RE JUST TRANSFERRING IT TO THE 5 0 1 C6 TO USE.
THAT'S THE NATURAL, THAT'S WHAT WE, WE BREAK OFF.
WE KEEP THE DMS, WE TRANSFER IT BACK.
WHEN WE HAD LEGAL ADVICE, BASED ON WHAT HE HAD TOLD US THAT WAS IN RETAIN IT, THE BEST PRACTICE WOULD BE TO NOT HAVE TO DMS, BUT WE DID HAVE THE RIGHT TO RETAIN OUR DMO.
SO THAT WAS A MOOT POINT FOR US.
SO WE'RE GOING TO KEEP IT, KEEP IT SO WE CAN MOVE THIS ALONG.
AND WE'RE RETAINING OURS BECAUSE WE NEED TO BE SPELLED OUT BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY COMMISSION OR WHATEVER IT IS.
SO WITH THE ADDITION OF THEM, LESS THAN 50%, IS EVERYBODY AGREEABLE? YES.
RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU'RE ANGRY, JORDAN, AND FOR THE PERFORMANCE, RIGHT.
SHELL REPORT PROVIDE OVERSIGHT AND PROVIDE OVERSIGHT.
IT'S DISCOVERED FROM ROYAL JEREMY.
OFTEN WORRIED YOU HAVE AN EASE ALL NIGHT.
SO YOU DO A PROVIDE OVERSIGHT PRESENTED AFTER EXAM RESULTS, QUARTERLY TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DOES OR DOESN'T WORK OUT.
YOU CAN SAY WE DIDN'T DISCUSS IT THOROUGHLY FOR TWO YEARS.
WE HAVE WATER SURFACES IN THE ROUTE THAT WAS FROM TOWN TO TOWN.
UM, NO, THE FEDERAL COUNTY ONE.
ALL RIGHT, WELL, I'LL GO AHEAD.
THIS IS THE RESOLUTION THAT WAS PASSED YESTERDAY, YESTERDAY, OR THE FIRST AND AGAIN, UH, DEFINITELY THE,
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THE TOWN FROM THE, BY THE WATER, THERE STILL NEEDS TO BE SOME UPGRADE POTENTIALLY.AND WE, UH, REQUEST THAT AS PART OF THE CONDITION THAT WE PICKED ENGINEERING, JUST DO THE STUDY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT INFRASTRUCTURE UPGRADES ARE NEEDED, BUT THAT'S STRICTLY FROM A WATER CAPACITY AND SEWER WE CAN PROVIDE, UH, WE CAN PROVIDE THAT SERVICE TO BUSINESSES.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE DISCUSSED WITH COUNCIL.
IT'S ABOUT, I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE AS FAR AS THE SEWER LINE OUT THERE AT OUR CONFERENCE.
WHAT AS, AS TAIL, LIKE AS FAR AS WE HAD NO PROBLEM, AS FAR AS THE SEWER SUPPLY AND ENOUGH ROBBIE, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE SEWER LINE, THERE IS A SEWER LINE THAT GOES TO THE BLUE RIDGE SHADOWS GOLF COURSE.
AND THERE WAS A RIGHT OF WAY THAT EXISTS THERE.
IF I READ THE ENGINEERING REPORT CORRECTLY, WHEN THIS TOPIC FOR THIS CUSTOMER OR POTENTIAL CUSTOMER THAT THEY, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE A TRAIN STATION, WOULD DARE, IS THAT CORRECT? OR IS THE PUMPING STATION SOMEWHERE ELSE? LAST I HAD HEARD, THEY WERE GONNA TRY TO DO ON GRAVITY FROM THE ENGINEER.
THE LAST TIME WE HAD SEEN HIM HURT LUMINARY.
UM, BUT IT WOULD DO IT FROM GRABBING THEIR PUMP STATION OR BEHIND THE SHELL RIVERTON HALL STATION, WHICH IS WHAT MR. BLESSED PETE IS TALKING ABOUT.
AND THEN FROM THERE TO THE WASTE.
AND SO THE PUMP STATION WOULD REQUIRE UPGRADE.
OH, IS THAT RIGHT OR WRONG? THEY SHOULD PROBABLY BE .
AND ALSO JUST, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS IS BASED ON THE POTENTIAL CLIENT, THIS RESOLUTION, THIS WILL MAKE SURE CLEAR, UH, DR.
BAILEY, DOES IT ALSO COMMIT TO, DOES IT COMMIT TO THE PROPERTY OF BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE WATER TO, OR JUST FOR THE POTENTIAL DEVELOPER TO THE PROPERTY? SO IT DOES.
SO IT CHANGES AND NOT KNOWING WHAT THE PEAK CAPACITY IS FOR WATER AND SEWER.
WE COULD BE REVISITING ANOTHER STUDY THAT DETERMINED IT COULD BE DONE FOR SOMEBODY ELSE.
SO WE PROBABLY IN OUR RESOLUTION WE'LL MENTION THAT THAT IS THAT IT'S ONLY FOR KIDNEY DEVELOPMENT AS ON THE TABLE, NOT FOR FUTURE.
BECAUSE I KNOW WE EXPECT THAT WE KNOW WHAT THE AMOUNT IS.
WELL, THAT'S THE SAME AS WE RUN IT OFF THE NUMBERS, THEY PREVENT US OVER THAT, MAYBE SOMETHING ELSE.
RIGHT? SO IF THAT CLIENT DECIDES NOT TO PROCEED WITH THIS PROJECT, THEN WE'D HAVE TO DO START OVER.
WE'D HAVE TO START ALL OVER ON A NEW CUSTOMER WHO HAVE DIFFERENT WORK THEY WERE WAY HIGH.
I THINK THERE'S NO WAY IT'S POTENTIAL IT'S SOMEBODY ELSE COULD EVEN BRING HIGHER ONES.
HE EVEN SAID HE PRETTY MUCH TOOK THE SCAT REGULATIONS AND JUST USE THE WHOLE AREA.
I MEAN, HE SAID HE WAS VERY CONSERVATIVE AND SAFE ON THE MELBOURNE.
SO CURRENTLY THIS RESOLUTION IS ALL THAT IS NECESSARY.
MR. HICKS, FOR EVERYTHING TO GO LIKE YOU WILL BE THE TOWN, WE'LL BE TALKING TO THE POTENTIAL CLIENT AND TELLING THEM THAT, YES, ALEX WE'LL PASS A RESOLUTION ON THE 28TH BORDERING THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
I DON'T KNOW, THEY'D HAVE TO CONSIDER IT.
AND WHAT CONDITION IS ONLY BASED ON THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN THE DEVELOPER WILL HAVE TO HIS EXPENSE THAT AN ENGINEER IN MARCH WAS BEING ABLE TO DO A STUDY TO SEE WHAT INFRASTRUCTURES THERE, IF IT COMES OUT OF THAT STUDY, THAT THERE'S NOT AN INFRASTRUCTURE WHO'S PAYING FOR THAT, THE DEVELOPMENT
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THE REMAINING TWO.UM, YOU, IT MAY NOT TAKE LONG, BUT I THINK COUNCIL AS WELL, STAFF, LIKE, YOU KNOW, HOW THE BALTIMORE COUNTY WATER FREDERICK COUNTY.
SO, UM, MR. HICKS I'LL TAKE THE LEAD ON THAT.
SO WARREN COUNTY, UM, WAS MADE AWARE OF AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET WATER POTENTIALLY FROM THE FREDERICK WATER AUTHORITY.
I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT WE HAD 40 IS NOT A, IT'S NOT A POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THE COUNTY OF FREDERICK.
IT IS AN AUTHORITY, IT'S AN INDEPENDENT ENTITY, SO IT DOESN'T USE TAX DOLLARS.
UM, SO WE WERE MADE AWARE OF THAT WATER WAS BEING RUN TO LAKE FREDERICK OR HAD BEEN TO LAKE FREDERICK AND THAT THE POTENTIAL FOR WATER, THEY WERE GOING TO DO A REGIONAL DEVELOPMENT POTENTIALLY WITH CLARK COUNTY.
AND THEN, UM, AND THAT WARREN COUNTY COULD BE A PART OF THAT REGIONAL DEVELOPMENT.
SO WE PROCEEDED TO MEET WITH THE FREDERICK COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY, AND A COUPLE OF ISSUES CAME UP ALONG THE WAY, UM, WHICH WERE SOME PAST AGREEMENTS.
I BELIEVE MS. I BELIEVE THAT SUPERVISOR CARTER BROUGHT UP WITH THE CAMEL.
UM, AND SO WE'VE EVALUATED THOSE.
AND AT THIS POINT THERE WAS NO OBSTACLE TO US PURSUING WATER OUTSIDE OUR JURISDICTION.
I WILL INC WHAT THE COUNTY I THINK, AND I'M, I'M NOT, CAN'T SPEAK FOR ALL MY FELLOW SUPERVISORS, BUT I CAN SPEAK FOR MYSELF.
AND WHAT I REALLY BELIEVE WOULD BE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF ALL OF US IS THAT WE TRY, WE LOOK FOR OTHER WATER SOURCES BECAUSE WE ARE A SINGLE POINT OF FAILURE.
WE HAVE ONE FAILURE AND IF IT DOESN'T WORK, WE'RE ALL OUT OF, OUT OF COMMISSION.
AND SO, UM, WITH GIVEN THE INFRASTRUCTURE MONEY THAT IS COMING INTO THE STATE OF VIRGINIA AND I'VE INVESTIGATED IT AND WE CAN USE IT FOR WATER AND SEWER DEVELOPMENT AND WE CAN, WE CAN OFFER OUR POTENTIAL CUSTOMERS, OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CUSTOMERS, LOWER RATES, BETTER, MAYBE BETTER SERVICE.
AND I THINK THAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST IN THE LONGTERM FOR ALL OF US.
UM, AT LEAST THAT'S MY OPINION.
AND, AND SO THAT'S WHERE IT STANDS TO THIS POINT.
WE HAVEN'T GONE ANY FURTHER, BEYOND OTHER THAN TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THERE WERE ANY OBSTACLES TO OUR PURSUIT OF IT.
AND THERE ARE NINE REPORT YET, OR ANY INCOME PAPERS OR ANYTHING, CAUSE Y'ALL KNOW, Y'ALL SIGN A CONTRACT.
WELL, THE OTHER THING IS WE CAN SIGN A CONTRACT.
DALEY SIGNED A CONTRACT TO DO A STUDY ENGINEER.
I DON'T KNOW IF HE HAS ANY, ANY RESULTS THE RETAINER STUDY PER SE.
HE HAS BEEN, OUR CONSULTANT HAS GIVEN ADVICE TO WARD.
WELL, THE ONLY THING IS, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS VENTURE, IF YOU WERE TO DO A, OF MOVE THIS ROUTE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I THINK COUNCIL AND PART OF THIS LADY'S ON ME, WHICH ENTITY WOULD BE BEST TO OVERSEE THE OP THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
I KNOW THE AUTHORITY, AND I KNOW HOW THAT IS.
IT'S NOT TAXED, BUT IT IS BASED ON FEES.
AND AS LONG AS THERE'S SOME COST ASSESSMENT ANALYSIS DONE ON ONE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT OR TO THE IMPACT IT MAY HAVE ON, YOU KNOW, AS WE ALWAYS MENTIONED HERE, ALL OF THE COMMUNITY, I THINK THOSE NUMBERS COULD BE GOOD AS SOON AS YOU WILL HAVE THEM THIS YEAR, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO UPGRADE OUR INTAKE WHERE LAREDO IS.
AND WE CAN, WHILE WE HAVE TO UPGRADE THAT WHOLE AREA BASED ON CDQ PERMIT, WE'RE WORKING ON THAT.
NOW, THERE MAY BE OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO BE ABLE TO COMPETE WITH WHATEVER THE COUNTY MAY BE DECIDED TO DO AND THE TIMEFRAME THEY PLAN THAT'S HAPPENED TO EVER COUNTY WHERE WE CAN GO INTO DEEPER WATER.
SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TAX DOLLARS.
AND I SAID, THIS LAST TIME, WE HAVE LAYERS ON TO GIVE THE TOWN THE OPPORTUNITY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT NUMBERS YOU ALL FEEL THAT YOU MADE THE NEED FOR BUILT-OUT AND WHAT NUMBERS WE WILL BE ABLE TO DRAW OUT OR US TAKE THE LEAD IN FIGURING OUT WHAT YOU ALL WANT TO DO SINCE WE'RE IN THAT, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN PROVIDES TRADITIONALLY UTILITY OPERATION PUBLIC, THERE'S A DIFFERENT ROLE.
SO I JUST THOUGHT I'D SHARE THAT AS A GROUP, IT'S IMPORTANT.
WE DON'T WANT ANOTHER BUILDING CODE SITUATION THAT WE'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT, HOW WE COULD MAXIMIZE THE TAXPAYER'S DOLLARS, UH, CAUSE IT WILL BE RECRUITED.
SO I JUST THOUGHT I'D SHARE THAT.
UM, AND AS SOON AS YOU ALL KNOW SOMETHING, UM, THAT WOULD BE GREAT
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ONCE WE GET THAT AND YOU BOTH, ALL OF US TO SIT AND TALK WITH THEM BECAUSE HERE'S MY CONCERN.AND, AND LIKE I'VE SAID BEFORE, I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT IT CAUSE I LIVE IN CALI OR MANUEL.
AND WHEN YOU DON'T USE THE SERVICE, YOU JUST DON'T THINK ABOUT IT.
BUT AFTER GETTING INTO THIS POSITION AND LEARNING AS MUCH AS I HAVE, IT CONCERNS ME THAT YOU HAVE ONE SOURCE.
AND IF SOMETHING HAS HAPPENED TO THAT ONE SOURCE, YOU HAVE NO BACKUP PLAN.
THEY HAVE MULTIPLE SOURCES THAT THEY CAN BACK UP.
IF ONE FAILS TO ANOTHER ONE AND THEY, THERE IS MONEY OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, THEY DO THE LEGWORK ON THOSE GRANTS AND ALL OF THAT, UM, WHICH TAKES A BIG BURDEN OFF OF US AS WELL.
BUT I THINK IT WAS A HOOP THE TOWN TO, TO HAVE A TALK WITH THEM ON, I KNOW, UM, BERKELEY, WEST VIRGINIA, THEY HAVE A, A CONNECTION WHERE IF ONE GOES BAD WITH A SWITCH AND THEY CAN HELP EACH OTHER OUT, I THINK WHEN THEY NEEDED TO DO IT, THE SWITCH DIDN'T WORK VERY WELL THE FIRST TIME.
BUT AT LEAST THEY WERE CONNECTED TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT WITH THE BLUE ALGAE THIS PAST SUMMER, IF THAT HAD BEEN IN THE SOUTH FORK AND YOU HAD BEEN SHUT DOWN, WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE? I MEAN, WHAT IS YOUR BACKUP SYSTEM, IF YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH IS AGING GOES DOWN, WHAT IS YOUR BACKUP? AND YOU KNOW, THE CONCERN IS YOU'VE DONE A LOT OF OLD PIPES IS THAT THAT'S A MONSTER OF AN INFRASTRUCTURE COST.
I MEAN, I'M NOT TELLING YOU WHAT TO DO.
I'M JUST SAYING TO ME HAVING A BACKUP, BECAUSE THIS ONE, THEY HAVE A PIPE VERY, AND YOU TELL SOMEBODY YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE, DO THE 24 48 HOURS.
BUT IF YOU GET SHUT DOWN ENTIRELY, THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT BALLGAME.
UM, MS. CHAIRMAN, UM, JUST CLARIFY ONE THING.
THERE IS NO LID AND OUR BIKES WE'VE WENT THROUGH AND REPLACED.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S A SINGLE SPOT IN THE TOWN NOW WHERE THERE'S, UM, I SAID THIS LAST SUMMER, WHEN WE WERE ALL SITTING HERE TOGETHER, UM, LONG-TERM GOAL, THE TOWN MAN COUNTY NEEDS TO FIND ALTERNATIVE WATER SOURCES.
AND, UM, I, I WOULD HIGHLY HIGHLY RECOMMEND, UM, IF WE'RE GONNA INVEST AND, AND THIS THAT IT STAYED LOCAL AND SPIRIT PUT MONEY IN VIRGIN FAMILIES DEPARTMENT.
UM, I THINK IT'S GOING TO GO A LONG WAY.
AND, UM, BECAUSE LET ME TELL YOU YOUR HOME, IF YOU GUYS EVER PULLED THE PLUG ON THIS AND HOOKED UP TO THEM, OUR CITIZENS IN TOWN, PROBABLY LOOKING AT $500 THAT THAT'S, THAT'S THE GOOD AMOUNT OF $500 TAX INCREASE.
AND LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHY IT MAKES SENSE FOR US TO WORK TOGETHER BECAUSE, SO LET ME JUST, I'M GOING TO BE STRAIGHT WITH YOU CAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW TO BE ANYTHING, BUT, BUT I WON THE RCW BOARD AND OUR STUDY IS PAYING $380,000 A YEAR FOR WATER $380,000.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY IN THIS ROOM THINKS THAT IT IS REASONABLE, BUT I ASK IF IT WAS A HYPO, BUT THAT IS BECAUSE THE WATER IS SO EXPENSIVE FOR EVERYBODY OUT IN THE CORRIDOR BECAUSE OF THE PREVIOUS AGREEMENTS THAT THEY ARE.
I MEAN, THEY ARE FORCED TO ACCEPT THOSE COSTS.
NOW I HAVEN'T, UM, I HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH AND TALKED TO FAMILY DOLLAR OR ANY OF THE OTHERS, BUT THERE'S GOT TO BE A BETTER.
SO I MEAN, WE HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER AND PROVIDE BETTER SOLUTIONS BECAUSE WE WANT TO PUT, WHEN PEOPLE EVALUATE US FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THEY EVALUATE THOSE THINGS.
WHAT ARE THE COSTS OF UTILITIES? WHAT ARE THE COSTS OF, YOU KNOW, LONG-TERM HOW, HOW, UH, STABLE IS THE UTILITY SYSTEM.
AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING THAT ENSURES THE FUTURE OF THIS COMMUNITY IN A VERY SOLID WAY.
AND SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I WENT TO LOOK FOR ALTERNATIVE WATER SOURCES.
SO I THINK THAT, UM, DEFINITELY WHAT COUNCILLOR GILLESPIE SAID.
I AGREE THAT WE NEED TO FIND ALTERNATIVE SOURCES FOR THIS.
THIS IS A PROBLEM, THE REDUNDANT WORD ISSUE, BUT I ALSO BELIEVE THAT WHEN THAT AGREEMENT FOR THAT CORRIDOR AND THE WATER DEAL, LIKE WE JUST LOOKED AT A 1983 AGREEMENT THAT NOW WE'VE COME TO AND REDISCUSS MAYBE IT'S TIME TO RE-LOOK AT THAT AND TALK ABOUT EITHER ANNEXATION OR SOMETHING WHERE IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN THAT AGREEMENT THAT HAPPENED AGAIN.
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I UNDERSTAND THERE WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THAT AGREEMENT.UM, AND I WOULD LOVE TO, TO STUDY THAT, TO SAY, CAN WE CHANGE THAT AGREEMENT? CAN WE RENEGOTIATE SOMETHING? AND IF THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S THE ISSUE.
WHY NOT LOOK AT THAT AND PART AND PARCEL WITH ALSO LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, UH, HELPING US FIND OR ESTABLISH A REDUNDANT WATER SOURCE AND YOU KNOW, AGAIN, TO REITERATE WHAT COUNTY COUNCIL BUS, A GREAT POINT THERE IS TO KEEP IT LOCAL AND KEEP IT, I MEAN, VERY MICRO LEVEL, RIGHT? I MEAN A COUPLE OF MILES AWAY, BUT SUPER LOCAL.
I DON'T DISAGREE THAT IT WOULD BE A HIT.
I DON'T KNOW THE FINANCIAL ENDS OF IT.
I DO KNOW I LIVE ON THE RIVER AND I SEE IT LAST YEAR.
HONESTLY, I COULD SHOW YOU PICTURES, BUT I DON'T WANT TO TAKE IT TWO TIMES THE TIME OF PEOPLE GOING DOWN AND RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE, UM, WITH THEIR KAYAKS AND THEIR TUBES AND THE WATER LEVEL WAS THAT THEIR ANKLES AND THAT LAST YEAR REALLY WASN'T A BAD DROUGHT.
UM, BUT THAT'S HOW WE'RE PULLING OUT OF THERE.
AND WE'RE NOT THE ONLY ONES WE HAD, WHAT RETRAIN RE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS LAST YEAR.
IF ONE OF THOSE HAD THROWN SOMETHING COST TO GET NET RIVER, WHAT WOULD YOU DO? THAT'S, THAT'S MY CONCERN.
NOW, WHETHER WE GET AN ALTERNATE ROUTE FROM FREDERICK OR ON ANOTHER, BUT YOU CAN'T RELY ON THAT RIVER FOR ALL OF IT.
THIS MAN LAUREN WAS BEFORE ACTUALLY RAVI WAS BEFORE .
I WAS ACTUALLY, MY QUESTION WAS GONNA BE TO ASK YOU, GO AHEAD AND TALK RIGHT ON THE RIVER THING, JUST TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT.
SO SINCE 19, LIKE EARLY 19 HUNDREDS, THE US GEOLOGICAL SERVICE HAS A REAL-TIME OR FLOW MONITOR ACROSS MILITARY AVENUE, BUT LAND WHERE WE DRAW A RIVER.
SO THEY ACTUALLY KEEP ALL THAT IN THE DQ.
LET'S SAY, IF YOU USE THAT FOR WITHDRAWAL PERMIT ACTUALLY HAS IT ALL STATED IN THERE.
SO WHEN WE, WE DON'T WANT THIS ONE, UM, THAT'S ONE THINGS THEY LOOKED AT.
SO THE LOWEST FLOW SINCE BACK IN THE EARLY 19 HUNDREDS WAS IN 1930 RIVER FLOW THAT 60 MAIN GALLONS PULL THE RABBIT IN THE THIRTIES.
SO WE CAN ONLY MOVE FIVE, EIGHT GALLONS OF WATER.
YOU FIGURE FIVE CLOSE TO SIX NOW.
SO BACK THEN 30 MILLION WAS RECORDED LOWEST TO THAT DATE A COUPLE MONTHS AGO.
SO, I MEAN, THERE'S MORE LEARNING YOU THINK, JUST SO YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHY I'M SORRY THAT THIS TAG TEAM AND CHAIRMAN OF , AND THEN WE GOT TO GO THROUGH OUR PERMITTING PROCESS AND WHAT 10 YEARS WE'VE COMMITTED WITH THE SCREEN AND THE DOWNSTREAM WATERS MUCH DEEPER.
AND SO DURING THAT PROCESS, WHEN, WHEN PLANNING IS DONE WITH THEIR, UH, THEIR, THEIR BUILT OUT CAPACITY, AND WE'RE TRYING TO COORDINATE WITH BUIL, I JUST WANT US TO REALLY THINK THIS THROUGH THE WATERS THERE, THE TIME IS GOING TO BE RIGHT.
THERE'LL BE GRANTS FOR US POTENTIALLY FOR THAT.
AND WE ARE IN, YOU KNOW, WE JUST, YOU KNOW, ROBBIE IS THE EXPERT IN THIS LINE OF WORK AND I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S ALL WE, 10 YEARS THINGS ARE GOING TO CHANGE AND WITHOUT ELEMENTS AND DETAILS.
SO THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN, ONE OF YOUTUBE WAS FIRST OR FLORIDA GARY, AND HE STOPPED.
I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS, UH, THIS IS, UH, REFERENCES COLORS, ARTISTS S W USES WATER FURTHER SEWERS BACK.
AND I CAN, I CAN HONESTLY SAY THAT EVEN IF THEY DID TIE IN FREDERICK COUNTY, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SAVE A WHOLE LOT BECAUSE OF THIS, BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT BILL DOES THAT I'M JUST FORWARDING THE SEWER.
IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALL I, THEY, ALL RIGHT.
SO MOM WAS THE ONE THAT JOE SAID ABOUT THE CORRIDOR OR THE AGREEMENT.
AND I GUESS MY EYES WENT LIKE THAT A LITTLE BIT, BECAUSE I JUST WANT TO SAY YOU KNOW, UM, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE A TREMENDOUS, AM I WRONG BJ IF WE, IF WE REDID THAT IN A WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE PROVIDED THE INFRASTRUCTURE OUT THERE, I'M JUST SAYING, I, I GET NERVOUS WHEN PEOPLE SAY THINGS LIKE THAT, BECAUSE LIKE WE SAID, BACK IN THE FALL WHEN WE TALKED YEAH, YEAH.
BUT I'M, I'M JUST SAYING THOUGH, I, I DUNNO.
I, I JUST, I GET NERVOUS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE KEEP IN MIND THE TOWN, CITIZENS ARE ALSO COUNTY CITIZENS.
I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS SAY NOT THE US VERSUS THEM.
I HAVE EVERYTHING THAT YOU, EVERYTHING YOU ALL ARE THOUGH, THE WHOLE ONE IS, UM, YOUR CONSTITUENTS,
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ACTUALLY, MR. BUTLER'S CAN STICK TO IT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, SO IT DOES MAKE ME NERVOUS WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT MONEY AND, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I'M A BIG DECISION LIKE THAT YOU CHANGE THE WATER AFTER WE'VE INVESTED IN SOME INFRASTRUCTURE.AND LIKE GARY SAID, I MEAN, THE TOWN CITIZENS WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, EXTRA $500 IS A LOT OF MONEY.
WELL, MY ONLY THOUGHT AND LISTENING TO ALL OF THIS AND BEING INVOLVED IN THE WATER ASPECT OF IT FOR THE FIRST TIME, IN MY TIME ON COUNCIL, WE MAINTAIN IT.
AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT MAKES THE MOST SENSE FOR US TO EXPLORE OPTIONS AND HAVE SOME STUDIES DONE, BUT NOT SOUND.
I MEAN, BECAUSE THE ECONOMIC IMPACT, I MEAN, TALK ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, BUT THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF YOU SAT HERE AND HE TALKED ABOUT SUPERVISOR OATS, UH, STABILITY FOR THE BUILDERS FOR A FIVE-YEAR TEN-YEAR PLAN.
AND IF THE COUNTY GOES SEEKING ALTERNATIVE SOURCES, AND THEN THEY GET NEW POLITICIZED ELECTED OFFICIALS WHO WANT TO PULL THE RUG OUT FROM UNDER THE TOWN, PEOPLE FOR WATER, I MEAN, THAT'S ALWAYS A POSSIBILITY WHERE IT IS, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IF YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE TOWN'S WATER, THE TOWN SHOULD GO EXPLORE SOME OPTIONS.
UM, AND I HAVE IDEAS ON THAT, BUT I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT COULD BE VERY DANGEROUS FOR THE TOWN COUNTY CONSTITUENT TO, I KNOW AT PREVIOUS MEETINGS, BJ HAS GIVEN US ACTUAL NUMBERS AND FINGERS.
I KNOW YOU PROBABLY HAD SOME FOR THAT.
I DON'T HAVE IT IN MY NOTES, IF YOU, WHICH NUMBERS WHAT EXACTLY IS IT? I REMEMBER YOU GAVE IT A NUMBER OF SPECIFIC.
I DON'T REMEMBER THEM ALL AND I CAN CERTAINLY GET THEM.
I THINK THAT THIS CONVERSATION JUST NEEDS TO BE TAKEN INTO A DIRECTION WHERE WE ARE COLLABORATING.
AND THIS IS, THIS IS EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH TONIGHT IS, IS BECAUSE OF THE TOWN AND COUNTY DON'T WANT TO WORK TOGETHER.
THERE WAS NO COLLABORATION WHEN THE COUNTY STARTED WORKING WITH FREDERICK COUNTY, THERE IS NO REAL WORKING WITH, WE SIMPLY WITH HAVING A STUDY DONE, UH, THAT WE JUST ASKED THEM BACK IN 2003, SOMEWHERE WE'VE JUST LOOKED AT, IS IT STILL RELEVANT? OR, YOU KNOW, DOES IT MEAN TO THE UPGRADE? THE COUNTY DID A WATER STUDY IN 2003, AND WE GOT A COPY OF THAT WATER STUDY.
AND WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WAS VERIFY IF THAT WATER STUDY WAS STILL VALID AND YOU GUYS WERE SEEKING A BACKUP RESTORES OR A, OR ALTERNATIVE WATER SOURCES FOR THE CORRIDOR ON THE WEST SIDE, BECAUSE YOU GUYS HAVE, WE THERE'S, THE CUSTOMERS THAT ARE BEING SERVICED ARE BEING SERVICED MOSTLY ON THE EAST SIDE.
THE WEST SIDE IS FOR YOUR COUNTY, HAS THEIR LINES ON THE WEST SIDE OF POSERS NEW LINES ON THAT EASE BECAUSE CLARK COUNTY, YOU CAN GO DOWN TO TOLLGATE SEVEN 11 HAS WATERED SEWER RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET, CORRECT.
THAT'S WHAT THE COURT COUNTY IS TRYING TO GET RIGHT NOW.
THEY THEY'RE IN NEGOTIATIONS OR DISCUSSIONS WITH FREDERICK COUNTY OF WATER AUTHORITY TO GET WATER TO THE OTHER SIDE SO THAT THEY CAN DO DEVELOPMENT THERE.
AGAIN, MY LAST POINT, UM, WE WOULD LOVE TO HOOK UP WATER AND SEWER TO TWO PARTS OF THE COUNTY.
AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE THE COUNTY'S INVESTMENT INTO OUR SYSTEM.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
AS FAR AS KEEPING IT LOCAL, IT WOULD MAKE IMPROVEMENTS FOR EVERYONE.
UM, PEOPLE HAVE STRONG BIRD ROAD THAT'S THAT PEOPLE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE TOWN WATER.
I REMEMBER GENTLEMEN COMING IN THERE WITH A LOOK WITH THE, IF WE'RE GOING TO INVEST, IT LOOKS LIKE WE WOULD WANT TO INVEST IN OUR, IN OUR OWN COUNTY INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT ABROAD.
SO THIS BATHROOM, AND THEN I GET THAT, BUT I JUST WISH WE HAD THAT ABILITY TO HAVE THAT SECOND SOURCE AS, OH, WE, I AGREE TO HOBART WHEN YOU NEED IT, BUT THAT'S A LONG-TERM THING, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S A 20 YEAR.
WELL, WHAT ARE YOU SAYING TO START WORKING? IF YOU CAN'T GET IT WITHIN YOUR OWN JURISDICTION, THEN YOU KIND OF HAVE TO LOOK AT YOUR NEIGHBORS.
I MEAN, THE OTHER THING IS THAT THE STATE
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IS NOW PUSHING REGIONAL, REGIONAL, REGIONAL, REGIONAL EVERY DAY.UM, SO IF YOU WANT TO TAP INTO GRANTS AND DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES, YOU ARE GOING TO GET THEM BETTER THAN THIS.
YOU'RE PROBABLY STILL HERE FROM WHAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THE CLASSES AND THINGS WE'RE TAKING IS REGIONAL.
I MEAN, THAT'S HOW WE GOT THE BROADBAND.
WE WENT REGIONAL, THEY TOLD US DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
YEAH, PROBABLY WILL NOT SCORE WELL.
AND WE WENT TOGETHER WITH THE OTHER COUNTIES AND WE ALL DID VERY WELL WITH THAT.
SO I MEAN, THAT'S OUT OF OUR CONTROL.
AND THEN IF REGIONAL WAS ONE COUNTY AND FOR, WELL, AND THERE WAS ANOTHER WATER SOURCE TO TAP IN HERE, BUT THERE'S YOUR PROBLEM? THE WORST, THE WORST, WELL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR BOTH OF US, CHRIS DEPENDS ON HAVING UTILITY STABLE UTILITIES.
AND SO, AND, AND I'LL BE HONEST, I'VE WATCHED OUR COMMUNITY KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD ON INVESTMENT IN INFRASTRUCTURE FOR MY WHOLE LIFE.
AND YOU ALL KNOW THAT YOU WOULD, WE'VE JUST RECENTLY STARTED, BUT IT NEVER GETS, IT NEVER GETS DONE.
AND SO I DON'T WANT TO BE ON A BOARD THAT DIDN'T GET ANYTHING DONE.
I WANT TO END THIS WHOLE TENURE AND SAY, EVEN IF WE LAID THE GROUNDWORK, WE DID, WE LAID THE GROUNDWORK AND THE IMPACT IS GOING TO BE ENDURING AND LASTING FOR, FOR 30 YEARS.
BUT WE, YOU ALL KNOW THAT WE'VE WATCHED EVERYBODY KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD.
AND WE HAVE A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY RIGHT NOW WITH ALL THIS INFRASTRUCTURE MONEY.
AND I WILL, AGAIN, I'M TOTALLY TRANSPARENT.
AND MOST OF YOU KNOW, I AM GOING TO TELL YOU WHAT I THINK, BUT I GOT ON THE PHONE TODAY AND I CALL CONGRESSMAN KLEIN AND I SAID, HELP US GET SOME MONEY FROM IT YESTERDAY.
SO IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE CAPTURE THESE OPPORTUNITIES AND WE DON'T SIT HERE AND KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD OR WISH WE HAD DONE IT IN 10 YEARS.
MR. PEPPER, IF YOU JUST SAY THAT THE NEWEST STORES YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK FOR, I'M GOING TO LOOK FOR IT.
I'VE HAD TWO PEOPLE APPROACH ME WHO, UM, HAD SOME IDEAS THAT THEY HAD PRESENTED APPARENTLY A COUPLE OF YEARS BACK TO OBVIOUSLY DIFFERENT COUNCILS AND DIFFERENT BOARDS.
AND THEY WEREN'T, UM, LOOKED INTO AT ALL.
BUT THEY'VE GIVEN ME, I HAVE A STACK OF PAPERWORK REGARDING ALTERNATIVE WATER SOURCES AND MORE ACCOUNTING SHERYL THAT I HAVEN'T EVEN BEGUN TO SIFT THROUGH IT YET.
BUT YEAH, THERE'S A COUPLE OF 90 YEARS OLD AND LDS.
AND THEY WERE LIKE, LISTEN, WE KNOW HOW TO SOLVE WATERFALL THEY HANDED ME ALL THEIR STACKS OF PAPERS AND THEY SAID, GO GET SOME WATER.
MAYBE WHAT WE NEED TO DO CHAIRMAN IS FORM A COLLECTIVE, A JOINT COMMITTEE TO STUDY WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE.
SO YEAH, BECAUSE I THINK THE TOWN DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS STUDY OF ALTERNATIVE WATER SOURCES.
I DON'T SEE WHY WE COULDN'T PUT TWO AND TWO OF US ON A COMMITTEE AND LOOK AT IT.
I THINK THE MORE WE WORK TOGETHER, WE'RE GOING TO NOT END UP IN.
IT'S JUST GOING TO BE A BETTER PLACE.
I KNOW WE HAVE ONE MORE ITEM, BUT WHEN THERE'S AN OPEN DONE, DOESN'T EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM.
THINK WE NEED A STRAIGHTER ALTERNATIVE.
YOU GOT TO REMEMBER BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D HAVE TO BE H AND D BLESSING.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE LIKE TAKE WATERHOUSE.
WE CAN'T GO GET BUCKET TRUCKS ON THE SHIP.
ROBBIE BDH IS ONE OF THE PRIMARY SOURCES OF FUNDING RIGHT NOW.
THEY'RE THE ONES WHO GOT A LOT OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE MONEY.
JUST GOING TO TAKE THE ACTION OF PUTTING THIS LITTLE COMMITTEE TOGETHER HERE TO TALK ABOUT THIS.
I DO, BECAUSE IT IMPACTS MY CONSTITUENTS A LOT.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, AND IF ANYBODY ELSE WHO'S REALLY EXCITED ABOUT WATER, I'D BE VERY INTERESTED IN .
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OH, OKAY.WELL, JAY, YOUR AREA'S GOING TO BE IMPACTED BY WATER.
IT IS GOING TO BE HUGELY IMPACTED.
CAUSE YOU'VE GOT THE LEACHES FROM PARKWAY DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL OUT THERE AND HAPPY CREEK.
THOSE ARE TWO COMMITTEES, WATER AND BUILDING.
UM, AND MS. MORRIS, YOU SAID YOU WERE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH TWO AND TWO THAT YOU THOUGHT IT SHOULD BE FULL.
THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH ROTATING, WE'RE JUST SAYING, WHEN YOU ROTATE, THEN H MEETING THE GUY TO CATCH UP, YOU CAN BE RECORDED ANY WATCH.
THEY NEED TO BE TWO STABLE PEOPLE WHO WERE THERE.
AND THEN IF SOMEBODY, IF EVERYBODY WANTS TO COME AND JUST LISTEN, AND IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS WRITE IT DOWN SOMEWHERE AND YOU JUST CAN'T PARTICIPATE.
BUT IF YOU'RE NOT RECENTLY NOT TAKEN ACTION, YOU CAN HAVE MORE IS WAM IS IT HAS BEEN PUBLICIZED.
THEN THE TWO PEOPLE THAT ARE ASSIGNED TO THE COMMUNITY ARE THE PEOPLE THAT GET TO INTERACT WITH THE COMMITTEE.
EVERYBODY ELSE HAS TO SET BUTTON AND LISTEN AND PRAY AND YOU CAN KEEP YOUR LIPS.
AND IF I CAN EVERYBODY AND I CAN BE ON JAKE.
DO YOU HAVE TIME FOR THE BUILDING? IS I DON'T MIND BEING ON THE BUILDING OR SOMEONE ELSE WITH THAT.
Y'ALL CAN DO THE BUILDING STUFF ON HIM, BUT HE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO WATER.
I COULD BE AN ALTERNATE FOR JAMES.
AS ALTERNATE GARY AND CHRIS AND WHO ELSE WANTS TO BE ON WATER WITH DOLORES? I DON'T KNOW A LOT ABOUT HE ALSO SAID HE WON'T DO WATER.
TOWN IS AMBER AND LAURIE AND ME.
AND DID JAY, ARE YOU GOING TO DO BUILDING, ARE YOU GOING TO DO WATER? I GUESS BOTH.
IF HE'S GOING TO DO WHAT SINCE THEN.
WHATEVER SUPERVISOR IS PHASES TWO, THREE.
THIS WAS ON THE, UH, LIAISON ITEM FIRST GOT ON BOARD.
AND RIGHT NOW PHASE TWO AND PHASE THREE IS GOING TO COST ABOUT 18 TO $20 MILLION TO COMPLETE.
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WATER DEMANDS OUT THERE WITH TRAFFIC DEMANDS, AND EVENTUALLY WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING.
MAYOR HOLLOWAY SAID THAT HE WAS ABLE TO BE IN DC AND MET WITH CONGRESSMAN KLEIN AS WELL AS WHEN WE ALL WENT TO THE LEGISLATIVE LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
TALK TO SOME OF OUR REPRESENTATIVES.
THERE, THERE ARE FUNDS POTENTIALLY AVAILABLE.
AND I KNOW WE'RE GOING AHEAD AND APPLY FOR US SOME BEAT UP PHONES ON THE 28TH COUNCIL COMB PASS RESOLUTION.
SO WE CAN GO AHEAD AND GET THE APPLICATION IN BY THE FIRST, BUT IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO BE ENOUGH MONEY.
AND SO THERE'S COMPETING FUNDS OUT THERE AND YOU'VE GOT TO COME TO THE TABLE WITH SOME DOLLARS.
AND WHILE WE TALK ABOUT WATER AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT ALL THE OTHER STUFF, YOU KNOW, TRANSPORTATION IS A REGIONAL, YOU KNOW, ISSUE.
AND THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT TWO TOWN OUT OF TOWN IN THE COUNTY, IT'S SOMETHING NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN A WAY THAT WE BOTH WORK TOGETHER.
BECAUSE, UH, WHEN YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE AVERAGE DAILY TRAFFIC VOLUMES, A LOT OF THEM ARE FROM THE CITIZENS THAT ARE COMING FROM THE COUNTY INTO THE TOWN.
AND SO I JUST BRING IT UP AGAIN, CAUSE IT WAS ON THE, UH, ITEM BEFORE,
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UH, HOW DOES THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY LOOK AT THIS PROJECT? CAUSE THIS IS GOING TO BE A MEGA PROJECT.WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER FOR THE TOWN SIZE OF THE COUNTY, WHAT IS Y'ALL'S VISION WAS Y'ALL'S PLAN? WHAT FEEDBACK PUTS THAT YOU ALL GIVE STAFF ON FUNDING THIS PROJECT AND IF IT'S, AND IS IT A, A, UM, A, NOT A PRIORITY, BUT IT ALSO SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTY IS ALSO CONCERNED AS WELL.
I THINK WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO IS TAKE THIS BACK TO THE FULL BOARD FOR A WORK SESSION AND DISCUSS IT WITH THE POWERS THAT BE ON OUR SIDE.
WELL, HOW MUCH MONEY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? RIGHT.
BUT YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE GOING TO GET GRANTS.
I KNOW THAT, UM, CONGRESSMAN KLEIN, HE, HE IS, UH, SAID THAT HE WILL BE LOOKING AT IF THERE'S A WAY THAT THEY COULD FIND MONEY FOR THIS BILL BACK, AMERICA ACT GETS FORWARD.
I KNOW THAT, UM, WE'RE WORKING WITH, UH, UH, OTHER PARENTS, JENNIFER RECRUIT WITH, UH, UM, REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT IS HIS NAME, BUT WE MET, UH, THEY REACHED OUT AND I KNOW BEAT UP CALLED US THE NEXT DAY.
AND THEY'RE GOING TO TRY AND LOOK AT HOW WE COULD BE MORE COMPETITIVE IN THE APPLICATION PROCESS, UH, AND WORK WITH US A LITTLE BIT.
UH, I WOULD SAY BETTER, I GUESS, ON THAT POINT.
SO, BUT IT'S STILL GONNA REQUIRE A LOT OF MONEY.
I MEAN, TO BE, THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO FUND IT ALL.
UM, AND SO, UH, IT'S, IT'S JUST GOING TO BE A PROJECT THAT I FEEL IS A TOWN COUNTY PROJECT.
IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST, IT'S ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS THAT, YEAH, BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE, I'M GOING TO PUT, I'M GOING TO CALL OUT THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.
WE HAVEN'T RECONCILED LEECHES FROM PARKWAY YET.
AND THE COUNTY IT PAGE, IT IS PAYING FOR A LOT OF THAT.
AND WE HAVEN'T RECONCILED THE CA THE TAIL AND THE COUNTY RESPONSIBILITIES ON, ON THAT.
AND I WOULD NOT BE COMFORTABLE COMMITTING ANY MORE COUNTY TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO, UM, ANOTHER PROJECT WHEN WE CAN'T RESOLVE THE ONES WE HAVE.
I THINK WE NEED TO RESOLVE THOSE.
AND THEN, AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT MOVING FORWARD, BUT WE, YOU KNOW, WE STILL HAVE A COUPLE OF LOOMING THINGS OUT THERE.
UM, THE INTEREST ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE LEADERS FROM PARKWAY PROJECT THAT HAVEN'T HAD ANY RECONCILIATION, WE NEED TO TAKE THIS BACK AND LOOK AT IT AND DISCUSS IT, FIGURE OUT WHERE WE ARE.
WE'LL JUST, HAVE YOU GOT TALKED TO US YESTERDAY AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING WITH THEM IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
YOU GO OVER THE SIX YEAR PLAN AND SMART SCALE THAT WE'VE GOT FROM WORK.
SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DISCUSS AT THAT.
AND, AND SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP, PROBABLY MOVING FORWARD, WE DO NEED TO TALK ABOUT GETTING THROUGH SOME OF THESE THINGS BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT.
BUT THERE'S SOME THINGS ON THE COUNTY THAN AVENUE AND TOO, SO WE NEED TO RECONCILE.
THAT'S WHY I'M JUST SAYING, I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO LEAVE IT OUT THERE.
LIKE, I JUST DIDN'T WANT IT TO FEEL LIKE WE WERE, WE WEREN'T TRYING TO PAY OUR BILLS.
CAUSE I THINK THERE'S, I MEAN, I WAS ACTUALLY JUST MEETING WITH SOMEBODY TODAY TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE STUFF THAT'S STILL, UH, THE COUNTY AND THE DENVER, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T DRAWN TO CLOSE OTHER, UH, PROJECTS.
AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE DO THAT SO THAT WE CAN NUMBER ONE, THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD IN GOOD FAITH.
AND NUMBER TWO, THAT OUR, OUR TAXPAYERS UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THEIR, THEIR DOLLARS THAT THEY'RE PAYING ARE BEING USED FOR WHAT THEY WERE TOLD THEY WERE GOING TO BE USED FOR.
WELL, WE'LL, WE WILL DISCUSS IT, MR. BUTLER.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTOOD, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE HAVEN CREEK ROAD FUNDING AND PLEASE TWO AND THREE, WHEN YOU MENTIONED THAT IT WAS OUTSIDE OF THE TOWN LIMITS, THERE'S ONLY ISSUE OUTSIDE THE COUNTY.
ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? OR WE WILL TALK AGAIN ABOUT GETTING TOGETHER AND DOING THIS AGAIN THREE MONTHS FROM NOW.
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I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE BIG DEVELOPMENT AND TALENT.AND DO WE WANT TO MEET ? IT SHOULD BE AT LEAST EVERY OTHER MONTH.
I THINK, I THINK IT'S HARD TO SAY EVERY THREE MONTHS OR THEY WON'T BE THIS LONG BECAUSE .