[Call to Order ]
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MY WATCH SAYS IT IS 7 0 1 AND THAT SAYS SEVEN.
SO AT THIS TIME, UM, I CALLED THE ORDER ORDER, THE MEETING OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR MARCH 22ND, 2022.
AND, UM, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE AGENDA AS PRESENTED SO MOVED? WE NEED TO REMOVE ITEM C PLEASE.
OH, AND A TABLE THAT UNTIL APRIL 5TH.
YOU WANT TO WANT TO TAKE THE AGENDA AND THEN OKAY.
AND THEN, THEN YOU WANT TO TABLE IT THEN.
SO WE DON'T NEED TO REMOVE IT.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE AGENDA AS PRESENTED.
WELCOME MRS. SHIRAKI MRS. OATS.
[A. Authorization to Advertise for Public Hearing – Proposed Budget for Fiscal Year 2022-2023 and 2022 Tax Rates – Matt Robertson/Ed Daley ]
AND FIRST ON, OUR AGENDA IS AUTHORIZATION TO ADVERTISE FOR PUBLIC HEARING THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2022 THROUGH 2023 AND THE 2022 TAX RATES.I'M JUST GOING TO GO OVER THE POWERPOINT REAL QUICK THAT YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE WITH SOME UPDATES TO TELL YOU EVERYTHING THAT IS IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU JUST START WITH JUST THE HIGHLIGHTS.
BIGGEST HIGHLIGHT IS THAT REAL ESTATE AND PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RATES ARE REMAINING FLAT.
SO WITH ALL OF THE ADDITIONS AND NEEDS THAT WE'VE NEEDED, WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN ABLE TO KEEP REAL ESTATE AND PERSONAL PROPERTY TAKES TAX RATES FLAT.
THE GENERAL FUND INCREASE TO ABOUT 1.5%.
THAT'S NOTABLE TO INCLUDE, BECAUSE LAST I LOOKED THIS MONTH, THE RATE OF INFLATION IS ABOUT 8%.
THERE ARE NEAREST, UH, LOCALITIES.
FREDERICK COUNTY IS INCREASING THEIR PROPOSED BUDGET BY ABOUT 10%.
SHENANDOAH COUNTY HAS RELEASED THEIR PROPOSED BUDGET.
SO AMONGST OUR LOCALITIES, WE ARE DEFINITELY STAYING SLOW, LOW BLOWER ON THE END, AS FAR AS WHERE WE'RE INCREASING, THEY DO HAVE THE ADDITIONAL, UM, ABILITY BECAUSE THEY WENT THROUGH REASSESSMENT.
SO THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE A CHANGE IN THEIR REAL ESTATE TAX RATE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH.
NEXT YEAR, WE DO HAVE A NEW DETAILED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN IN THIS BUDGET.
SO THAT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BE DEVELOPED INTO ITS OWN FUND.
IT'S WHAT YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE YOU.
IT ACTUALLY BREAKS IT OUT INTO EACH FISCAL YEAR FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
WE ALSO BREAK DOWN THE FUNDING WITHIN DIFFERENT FISCAL YEARS.
SO THAT PROJECTS THAT TAKE MULTIPLE YEARS CAN GET FUNDING IN DIFFERENT FISCAL YEARS.
WE CAN PLAN UNDER THE FUTURE A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
WE'RE CREATING AN ASSET REPLACEMENT FUND.
SO THAT IS A NEW THING IS WE ARE GETTING OUR EQUIPMENT OLDER AND NEEDS TO BE REPLACED OVER TIME.
WE'RE ACTUALLY PUTTING ASIDE MONEY SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY REPLACE THINGS AS THEY COME UP.
AND AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, WE'RE HIRING A CONSULTANT FROM FEMALE VACO INTO THE FUTURE THAT WILL GIVE US A COMPLETE LIST OF ALL OF OUR ASSETS WHEN THEY NEED TO BE REPLACED.
SO WE CAN START BUILDING THEM INTO THE PLAN.
WE'RE FUNDING, THE INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY DEPARTMENT.
SO THAT WAS DONE MID FISCAL YEAR.
THIS YEAR ON A DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD.
THIS WILL BE THE FIRST YEAR THAT IT'S ACTUALLY INCLUDED IN THE ADOPTED BUDGET.
WE'RE PUTTING SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT INTO PUBLIC SAFETY PERSONNEL.
SO WE HAVE ABOUT 14 NEW PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY BUDGET OF THOSE 14 NEW PEOPLE LOVE AND HAVE THEM GO INTO PUBLIC SAFETY.
WE'RE ALSO FUNDING THE CREATION OF A REGIONAL DRUG COURT, WHICH IS SOMETHING I KNOW THIS BOARD'S BEEN WORKING ON FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
AND YOU BREAK DOWN ALL OF THE EXPENDITURES THAT WE HAVE.
THE LARGE MAJORITY OF IT GOES TO THE SCHOOL DIVISION ABOUT 31% FOLLOWED BY PUBLIC SAFETY AT 17% HEALTH WELFARE DEBT SERVICE ALSO COME IN AT 13.
EVERYTHING ELSE IS 7% OR UNDER FOR THOSE PERSONNEL.
WE HAVE 14 NEW POSITIONS PROPOSED IN THE 22, 23 BUDGET.
SIX OF THEM ARE IN FIRE AND RESCUE.
THOSE ARE SIX FIREFIGHTERS, THREE FLOATER POSITIONS, THREE BATTALION CHIEFS, FIVE POSITIONS IN SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
THAT WOULD BE FOUR DEPUTIES AND ONE GRANT'S ACCREDITATION MANAGER IN NEW FTE AND INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY.
THAT IS AN ADDITIONAL TECHNICIAN POSITION.
THERE IS A NEW PERSON AT THE AIRPORT, WHICH IS THE AIRPORT MANAGER.
THEY ARE NOT GOING INTO THE GENERAL FUND.
THEY WILL BE SUPPORTED BY THE AIRPORT FUND, BUT I WANTED TO INCLUDE THEM AS THEY ARE A NEW POSITION.
AND THEN YOU HAVE A HALF-TIME GOING INTO A CSA AND A HALF-TIME GOING INTO COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY.
THERE IS A 5% COLA INCREASE FOR ALL STAFF WHERE IT'S MEETING AT ABOUT $700,000.
THAT MATCHES WHAT THE STATE IS OFFERING FOR ALL STATES SUPPORTIVE POSITION AND KEEPS US COMPETITIVE WITH THE OTHER LOCALITIES THAT ARE OFFERING SIMILAR INCENTIVES TO.
AND FINALLY, VRS WAS A MANDATED INCREASE FROM THE STATE THIS YEAR, ABOUT 2.3%.
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AND THEN OUR HEALTH INSURANCE COSTS ALSO ROSE AFTER GOING DOWN AGAIN LAST YEAR, THEY HAVE COME UP A LITTLE BIT.WE'RE STILL WORKING ON TRYING TO GET SOME FINAL NUMBERS AND WORKING THAT OUT, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE PROJECTED ABOUT $500,000.
IS SIR, IS THERE A BREAKOUT IN BETWEEN, IN BETWEEN VRS AND THE HEALTH INSURANCE? I MEAN, YOU ARE, YOU'RE JUST ANTICIPATING $500.
I'M ANTICIPATING 500, THE ACTUAL BREAKDOWN.
IT WAS ABOUT 200,000 FOR VRS, ABOUT 300,000 IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
YOU'RE GOING TO SEE ABOUT $14.8 MILLION.
THAT INCLUDES $8.5 MILLION IN SCHOOL DIVISION PROJECTS.
THAT $8.5 MILLION IS SOURCED FROM GRANTS.
MAJORITALLY, THAT'S THE GRANTS THAT THEY'VE RECEIVED FROM, UH, CARES ACT AND RELEVANT THINGS OF THOSE NATURE.
THEN THERE'S ALSO ABOUT $2 MILLION IN SPECIAL PROJECTS FUNDING THAT WE'VE BEEN HOLDING FOR THEM AND SCHOOL RELATED PROJECTS THAT'S GOING THERE.
AND $1 MILLION THAT THEY WERE APPROVED FOR CARRY OVER OVER THE LAST FISCAL YEAR THAT HASN'T BEEN SPENT YET IN CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT.
SO THERE IS NO GENERAL FUND TAXPAYER DOLLARS GOING INTO THE SCHOOL DIVISION WITH THIS CIP PLAN.
SO JUST BEFORE THIS, I UNDERSTAND.
SO THE 8.5 MILLION OF THE SCHOOL, UH, FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, WE, WE ARE NOT FENDING ANYTHING OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND, CORRECT? I THINK, UM, SOME OF THE SHARE THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR FROM THE COUNTY IS GOING TO BE A BONDED IF THAT'S THE ROUTE THE BOARD DECIDES TO GO, AND THAT WILL END UP COMING BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND.
THERE WAS NO APPROPRIATION IN THIS BUDGET DIRECT FROM THE GENERAL FUND, BUT THAT THE INCREASE DOES COST THE GENERAL FUND MA'AM IT WILL IN THE LONG RUN BECAUSE WE WANT TO WAIT UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT THE SCHOOL FUND YEAR END BALANCES ARE BEFORE WE SEE HOW MUCH OF THAT WE HAVE TO GO TO THE, UH, RE VML, VACO AND BORROW.
AND WHEN WE BORROW IT, WE WOULD BE REPAYING THAT OUT OF GENERAL FUND MONEY.
SO INDIRECTLY THE 90 IS 19 MILLION MAPS, THE TOTAL TOTAL DEBT RIGHT NOW THAT WE PAY ANNUALLY THAT THAT'S GENERAL FUND MONEY.
I MEAN, IT'S GOING FOR THE SCHOOLS, BUT IT'S GENERAL FUND MONEY.
IT'S YOUR FRIENDLY LOCAL TAXPAYER.
IF WE GO FOR A BOND THAT WILL BE FOR THE LF K PROJECT.
I'M CONFUSED BECAUSE IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE LSK PROJECT FOR THE HPAC REPLACEMENT SYSTEM, WHICH WAS $8.5 MILLION WAS TOTALLY FUNDED BY GRANT MONEY AND ARPA.
UM, THOSE FUNDS WERE GIVEN TO THEM FOR SPECIFICALLY FOR THE IMPROVEMENT OF HPAC TO IT.
THAT'S WHAT I, WE WERE PRESENTED ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS BY THE SCHOOL BOARD.
IS THAT CHANGED? OR DID I MISUNDERSTAND SOMETHING? LET ME GO BACK TO CORRECT.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE TOTAL OF THE PROJECT IS MORE LIKE 16 MILLION, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE THEY ADDED MOVING WALLS AND DOING SOME OTHER ITEMS THAT WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THE ORIGINAL 8.5.
BALLENGER AND MEMBERS OF HIS STAFF CAME IN TO DO THE PRESENTATION, THEY ONLY WERE TALKING ABOUT HPAC.
IT WASN'T UNTIL AFTER THAT, THEY ADDED THE WALLS, THE MOVING OF THE WALLS IN, IN, BECAUSE LF K MY ACTUALLY MY OLDEST SON STARTED THERE IS AN OPEN CONCEPT SCHOOL, WHICH WAS A TREND IN THE LATE SEVENTIES.
AND THEY HAD ALL THESE OPEN WALLS AND NOW THEY WANT TO PUT WALLS BACK UP, UM, WHICH TASTES IN POINT OR LESSON DON'T EVER GO ALONG WITH THE TRIMS. BUT ANYWAY, CAUSE YOU'LL GO BACK AND FIX THEM LATER.
BUT ANYWAY, SO WE, WE, AS A BOARD, MY UNDERSTANDING, WE ONLY HAVE TO APPROVE THE $8.5 MILLION BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY A FUNDED, I DON'T COMING FROM THE OTHER IS STILL AN OPTION UP TO THIS BOARD, WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ADDITIONAL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AT THIS TIME.
CORRECT? ALL OF IT IS YOUR OPTION.
ONE PART OF IT IS MONEY THAT THEY'VE RECEIVED FROM CARES ACT AND MONEY THAT THEY HAVE HELD IN RESERVE BY THE COUNTY.
AND THAT IS A TOTAL OF APPROXIMATELY 8 MILLION.
AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER 8 MILLION THAT THEY'RE REQUESTED
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TO COME FROM THE BOARD IN GENERAL, FROM A BUCK FROM OUR WELL, IF WE WANTED TO GIVE CASH, THAT WOULD BE FINE.I DON'T THINK IT MATTERS TO THEM, BUT OUR ANTICIPATION IS THAT THERE ARE SOME MONEY IN SPECIAL PROJECTS THAT CAN BE USED.
WE WANT TO SEE THE BALANCES, AND THEN WE WANT TO SEE WHAT WE NEED TO BORROW.
AND IT'S GOING TO BE A COMBINATION OF THOSE THREE FACTORS IN THERE TO COME UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO YOU AS TO HOW, WHEN YOU DECIDE HOW MUCH MONEY YOU WANT TO APPROPRIATE.
OUR JOB IS TO SAY, WHERE IS THE BEST PLACE TO BRING IT FROM? UM, SO, SO HERE'S THE THING THAT I WANT CLARIFICATION THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT CITIZENS UNDERSTAND AND IT'S CLARIFIED TO THEM, IS THAT THE SCHOOL BUDGET, THEN ISN'T $71 MILLION.
THEY'RE ASKING US FOR $90 MILLION.
AND SO WE NEED TO LET CITIZENS KNOW THAT EVEN THE, WE CALL IT SOMETHING ELSE, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, IT'S STILL COMING FROM THEM.
AND SO I THINK THAT THAT IS, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'VE NEVER CLARIFIED THAT BEFORE.
UM, BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY PAYING $10 MILLION A YEAR IN LOAN DEBT AND LOAN SERVICE ON PREVIOUS PROJECTS, WHICH IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE SCHOOL BUDGET.
MA'AM YOU ARE, YOU ARE CORRECT.
THAT DEBT DOES NEED TO BE ADDED ON WHEN YOU CONSIDER, HOW MUCH IS FORCE, HOW MUCH THE COUNTY APPROPRIATES FOR SCHOOLS.
THAT IS PART OF THE TOTAL PICTURE.
SO WE'RE UNDERSTATING HOW MUCH WE'RE, WE'RE GIVING TO OUR SCHOOLS AND THEREFORE WE'RE UNDERSTATING HOW MUCH IT'S COSTING US PER PUPIL.
OH, THEY'RE SAYING THAT WHAT THEY'RE PRESENTING US IS THEIR OPERATIONAL EXPENSES FOR THE NEXT SCHOOL YEAR.
CORRECT? WELL, BUT THEY ALSO ASKED FOR THIS EIGHT.
NO, JUST ASKING IT IN SEPARATE POTS.
ALL I WANT IS GAS MONEY, BUT I ALSO WANT THE CAR.
YEAH, WELL, HONESTLY I HAVE A TEENAGER AND I UNDERSTAND THE GAME VERY WELL.
SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS CLARIFIED AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
AND IT IS REPORTED THAT WE ARE, WE ARE CONSIDERING A $90 MILLION BUDGET FOR FISCAL 22 TO 23.
MA'AM SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO TO THE BUDGET ADVERTISEMENT THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKET IS THERE'S THE SCHOOL OPERATING FUND, WHICH SHOWS THE NUMBER THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT.
WE CAN ADD A SCHOOL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND BECAUSE THAT DOES EXIST AND THAT'S WHERE THEY WOULD SPEND IT FROM.
SO IT'LL ACTUALLY SHOW OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT VERSUS WHAT THE SCHOOLS, I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT CLARIFICATION FOR OUR CITIZENS.
I THINK THEY NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE SPENDING ON PUPIL SPENDING PER, PER PUPIL, BECAUSE IT'S BEING MISSTATED.
UM, IT'S NOT BEING REPRESENTED IN ITS TOTALITY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT CIP? I HAVE THIS JUST SO I UNDERSTAND ALL THE NUMBERS, SO, OKAY.
SO GOING THROUGH THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, WHAT WE'RE PROVIDING.
SO WE ARE PROPOSING THAT WE'RE GOING TO, UM, GIVE $4 MILLION TO HELP K OF THE HVHC AND ROOF REPLACEMENT.
THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING TO ALLOCATE SOME MONEY TO DO THAT.
UM, FOR THE LFA RENOVATION, WE'RE GOING TO, UM, UH, ALLOCATE 4 MILLION AND S YOU KNOW, ON THIS, GONNA ROUND IT OUT, POSSIBLY $4 MILLION, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO PLAY, UH, WE'RE GOING TO TOTALLY PAY FOR THE BLUE RIDGE ROOF REPLACEMENT, WHICH IS FIVE K 500 K.
AND THAT'S COMES OUT TO THE $8.5 MILLION.
SO, WELL, WE HAVEN'T SAID WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR IT YET.
WELL, WHEN I LOOK AT THE NUMBER, OH, WELL, YOU KNOW, WHEN I DID LOOK AT THE PROPOSED BUDGET AND SO FOR THE, THE ROOF IN HPAC, THEY WANTED $6 MILLION.
SO W IN OUR BUDGET, WE'RE SAYING FOR, UM, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE CAPITAL OF, YOU KNOW, THAT ONE, UM, REPORT THAT YOU HAVE, AND IT SHOWED $4 MILLION.
SO THAT'S, IT'S A TOTAL OF 6.8.
IT'S JUST SPREAD OVER THREE YEARS.
SO IT GIVES THEM THE 800,000 THIS YEAR, BECAUSE THEY WANT TO START ON AN IMMEDIATELY 4 MILLION IN THE NEXT YEAR AND THEN 2 MILLION THE NEXT, AND THAT'S ALL OF THEIR GRANT FUNDING.
SO AS SOON AS WE WOULD AGREE TO APPROPRIATE THEIR GRANT FUNDING, BECAUSE IT EXISTS AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, WE CAN APPROPRIATE IT.
THEY HAVE THE MONEY THEN TO SPEND SO THAT THEY CAN PUT IT TOWARDS JUST THE HVAC PORTION.
SO THAT'S WHAT THIS BUDGET WOULD DO, WOULD BASICALLY SAY OF THAT ARPA FUNDING.
WE'RE PUTTING 4 MILLION INTO NEXT FISCAL YEAR FOR YOU TO DO THAT.
SO THIS PROJECT WE'LL PUSH INTO AUGUST OF 23.
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WE PUSH SOME OF OUR EXPENDITURES INTO FISCAL YEAR 23, 24.SO WE HAVE 22, 23 AND THEN 23, 24 TO COVER THE PROJECT.
SO IF WE APPROVE THESE, THESE WILL GO INTO THAT CAPITAL ON, I CAN'T TALK NOW THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN THAT WE ALREADY HAVE, WHAT A MILLION DOLLARS SITTING IN, AND IT WILL SIT THERE UNTIL THIS PROJECT STARTS.
AND THEN WE PAY OUT OF THAT FOR THE EXPENSES.
IT WON'T BE APPROPRIATED NOW IN THIS CURRENT BUDGET AND SIT IN A BUDGET WITH THEM, IT'LL BE IN THE SAVINGS COUNT.
AS I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT WE'VE GOT THAT LITTLE POT SITTING THERE, THAT'S MY EXPECTATION.
THEN IT GOES, THAT'S, THAT'S THE NEW ACCOUNT THAT MATT WAS TALKING ABOUT? WELL, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT WE'LL KEEP CONTROL OF THE MONEY.
DAILY, DO WE HAVE ANY INDICATION ON WHAT THE VACANCY SAVINGS AND THE ACTUAL SAVINGS THE SCHOOL SYSTEM WILL HAVE AT THE END OF THE YEAR? I HAVE TWO REQUESTS FOR SCHOOLS.
NUMBER ONE IS THE SCHOOL EXPENDITURES TO DATE BY CATEGORY FOR THIS YEAR AND THE ANTICIPATED SAVINGS BY CATEGORY.
AND THEN I HAVE THE REQUEST FOR SCHOOL LINE ITEMS FOR THE CURRENT YEAR BUDGET.
AND THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS THAT I KNOW OF AT THIS POINT THAT YOU HAVE REQUESTED AND WILL.
HOW LONG HAVE YOU COME UP WITH OTHER THINGS? I'M SORRY? HOW LONG HAS OVER'S REQUEST BEEN? WELL, THEY THEY'RE ON BREAK AND THIS WAS JUST, WE JUST DISCUSSED THIS THIS PAST WEEK, SIR.
AND IF WE GET ASKED THEM, WHEN I, I LOOKED THROUGH THEIR BUDGET AND I THOUGHT I WENT THROUGH IT PRETTY, UM, LOMBARD AND CAREFULLY, I DIDN'T SEE A BUS LINE BUDGET FOR THEM.
AND I THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS GOING TO BE A CONTINUATION OF PUTTING A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY ON A BUS LINE, PUTTING THE MONEY AWAY AND NOT BUYING ALL BUSES, YOU KNOW, 10 BUSES IN ONE YEAR DOING A FEW AND TRICKLE IT DOWN OVER YEARS.
BUT I, I MAY HAVE MISSED IT, BUT I DON'T, I DIDN'T SEE A BUS LINE, A LINE ITEM FOR THEM.
WELL, THAT COULD PROVE TO BE A PROBLEM.
GO INTO THE ASSET REPLACEMENT PLAN.
YOU HAVE ABOUT A TOTAL OF $2.8 MILLION IN THERE.
THE LARGE MAJORITY OF IT IS $2 MILLION THAT GOES TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND FIRE AND RESCUE.
THE MAJORITY OF THE 1.2 FOR SHERIFF'S OFFICE GOES TO THE RADIO UPGRADE THAT WE AGREED TO LAST FISCAL YEAR, WE'RE PAYING THE THIRD YEAR OF THE LOAN ON THAT.
IT'S ABOUT $500,000, AND THEN THERE'S THERE, UM, POLICE EQUIPMENT, UH, REPLACEMENTS, CAR REPLACEMENTS, OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT, MAKING UP THE REST AND $800,000 FOR FIRE AND RESCUE IS ALL FOR A NEW FIRETRUCK OR FOR A REPLACEMENT FIRETRUCK.
NOW THOSE, THOSE REPLACEMENTS AND THE CARS THEY'RE GOING INTO THE CITY INTO OUR SYSTEM OF DOING SOME EVERY YEAR.
UH, SO WE'RE NOT LAYING ALL THAT MONEY OUT AT ONE TIME.
SO THAT'S WHAT EVERY FISCAL YEAR YOU'LL HAVE A SET AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE PUT ASIDE EACH YEAR TO FUND SOME EACH YEAR.
THE, THE FIVE NEW, UM, STAFF FOR THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT WHERE THOSE COMP EMPLOYEES, OR JUST TO, TO, OR COME TO A CALL MA'AM OKAY.
TALKING ABOUT THAT SERVICE, DO YOU HAVE ABOUT $11.1 MILLION EXPECTED IN DEBT SERVICE OF THAT? ABOUT 8 MILLION AS PRINCIPAL AND THREE IS INTEREST AND OF THAT DEBT, 10 MILLION IS RELATED TO SCHOOL PROJECTS.
AND ABOUT 0.8 IS RELATED TO COUNTY PROJECTS.
IT'S ABOUT 12.6% OF THE GENERAL FUND.
THIS SHOWS YOU AN OVERALL PICTURE OF WHERE OUR REVENUES COME FROM.
SO YOU SEE THE MAJORITY OF IT DOES COME FROM LOCAL TAXES, A LOT OF THESE STATE AND FEDERAL MONEY COMING FROM GRANTS.
THOSE ARE ALSO MAJORITY FUNDED IN THE CIP, IN THE ASSET FUNDS NOW, OKAY.
YOU WILL SEE THAT THEY DON'T CHANGE FROM LAST YEAR TO THIS YEAR.
I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION IF I WILL, SINCE, UM, SINCE THE TAX RATES ARE NOT CHANGING, BUT THE, UM, THE RATE OF THE PRICE OF USED VEHICLES, INCLUDING
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TRUCKS, I BELIEVE TRUCKS ARE THE BIGGEST WINNER IN THIS PARTICULAR, UH, GAME OF, UH, THEY'RE NOW WORTH MORE MONEY THAN I HAVE A FRIEND WHO JUST TOLD ME HE SOLD HIS TRUCK FOR ALMOST THE SAME PRICE HE PAID FOR IT FOUR YEARS AGO, WHICH IS CRAZY.BUT ANYWAY, SO HOW ARE WE MANAGING THAT? BECAUSE THAT IS EFFECTIVELY A TAX INCREASE, EVEN IF, EVEN IF WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER, UM, HOW MUCH THESE CARS ARE, THE VALUATION OF THESE CARS ARE SHORT-TERM AND LONG-TERM SHORT-TERM.
WE HAVE MOVED TO THE LOWEST LEVEL OF VALUATION OVER IN THE COMMISSIONER'S OFFICE, AND SHE'S GOING TO GET THOSE NUMBERS FOR US.
WE ANTICIPATE THAT WE'LL BE AROUND 10, 12%.
SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE, AND THEN, UM, LONG-TERM WE ARE TALKING TO DELEGATES PROPOSING THAT THERE BE AUTHORIZATION FOR LOCALITIES.
IT'S SUCH TIME AS A VEHICLE IMPROVES IN VALUE GREATER THAN 10%, THAT THE VALUE BE ROLLED BACK TO THAT 10% CAP FOR TAX PURPOSES UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THE VEHICLE OR SOLD.
AND THEN WHEN IT IS SOLD, THEN IT WOULD GO TO THE FULL VALUE, WHATEVER THAT VALUE MIGHT BE.
UH, SO THAT, THAT WOULD PROVIDE A LONG TERM CAP THAT WE COULD USE WHENEVER THE BOARD FOUND IT NECESSARY, EITHER IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS OR 10 YEARS FROM NOW, IS THIS THE FIRST TIME THAT VEHICLES HAVE ALL APPRECIATED AND NOT DEPRECIATED IN TASKS IN OUR TAX HISTORY? IT IS NOT ISN'T, IT IS NOT THE FIRST TIME THE, THE INCREASE IS LARGER.
IF YOU, IF WE KEPT THE BOOK VALUES EQUAL, THEN THAT WOULD BE AN INCREASE OF APPROXIMATELY 30%.
AND THAT WOULD BE THE LARGEST BY DROPPING DOWN TO THE LOWEST LEVEL OR GETTING THAT BACK DOWN THERE AROUND 10, 12%, UH, WHICH IS STILL ONE OF THE LARGER ONES, BUT NOT THE HIGHEST.
WHEN ONE QUESTION WITH YOUR SCENARIO ABOUT MAKING, UM, COPYING THE, UM, THE TAX RATE, UM, WE, WE HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED ABOUT IF THAT'S THE WAY WE WANT TO GO, IS THAT CORRECT? OR IS THAT THERE IS THAT ACTUALLY A PLAN GO, GO IN AHEAD.
THAT IS A PROPOSAL TO THE STATE TO GIVE YOU THAT OPTION.
YOU'RE STILL ALLOWED TO DO ANYTHING ELSE THAT THE BOARD MIGHT DESIRE.
UH, BUT THIS WOULD GIVE YOU BECAUSE WE'RE A DILLON RULE STATE.
WE HAVE TO GO DOWN TO MOTHER, MAY I, ANYTIME WE WANT TO DO ANYTHING, INCLUDING REDUCE, UH, ASSESSMENT VALUES.
SO, UM, FOR THINKING THAT THIS WOULD BE ANOTHER, UH, TOOL FOR THE BOARD TO BE ABLE TO USE FOR FUTURE YEARS, HAVE WE RECEIVED APPROVAL FROM THE VIRGINIA ASSEMBLY TO DO THAT? NO, MA'AM, THIS WILL GOOD.
AND THE PROPOSAL WON'T BE FORMALLY SUBMITTED UNTIL NEXT JANUARY, THEY WILL NOT TAKE IT UP IN THE, UH, VETO SESSION OR WHATEVER THEY'RE CALLING THE BUDGET SESSION THERE.
UH, THEY WON'T TAKE IT UP, THEN IT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT I HAVE TO BE FIVE FREE FILED BY NOVEMBER.
AND I'VE BEEN TALKING TO ONE OF THE DELEGATES ABOUT WORKING ON GETTING SOMEBODY TO WORK ON A BILL LIKE THIS.
GO THROUGH THOSE REVENUE CHANGES.
YOU HAVE ABOUT A $3.2 MILLION INCREASE IN GENERAL PROPERTY TAXES.
THAT'S LIKE WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT DOING EVALUATION INCREASES.
WE ARE REVIEWING THOSE OPTIONS TO LOWER THE VALUE I WAS TALKING TO SHERRY JUST THIS MORNING ABOUT TRYING TO GET FROM JD POWER, WHAT OUR VALUATION CHANGES WOULD COME IN AT.
I GUESS WE'RE NOT THE ONLY COUNTY LOOKING AT IT BECAUSE THEY'RE A LITTLE SLOW.
SO WE'RE STILL WAITING ON THOSE TO GET OUR FINAL FIGURES.
YOU ALSO DO HAVE A DECREASE OF ABOUT $200,000 IN REVENUE FROM USE OF MONEY AND PROPERTY.
THAT'S COMPLETELY RELATED TO INTEREST RATES DECREASING.
SO WE'RE NOT GETTING AS MUCH IN OUR INVESTMENTS ANYMORE.
YOU ALSO DO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT LOSS OF STATE REVENUE THAT YOU'LL SEE THAT IS DUE TO US MOVING THE CAPITAL OUTLAY V DOT PROJECTS OUT INTO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND.
SO THOSE NO LONGER EXIST IN THE GENERAL FUND AS GRANT MONIES.
AND THEN, AND THAT MONEY WOULD NOT BE A LOSS.
IT WOULD BE MONEY THAT MOVES OVER TO THAT CIP FUND, RIGHT? YES.
AND THEN YOU ALSO ARE DECREASING THE USE OF FUND BALANCE FROM $1.5 MILLION IN THIS FISCAL YEAR TO PROPOSING NEXT YEAR TO $1.1 MILLION, WHICH IS A GOOD THING FOR US TO ACTUALLY KEEP OUR SAVINGS
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SO THAT WE HAVE THEM AS WE NEED THEM.AND THEN THE LAST SLIDE IS JUST SHOW THE TAX DOLLAR.
SO THIS IS WHERE ACTUALLY EVERY BIT OF TAXPAYER MONEY GOES IN.
IT TAKES OUT ALL THE GRANTS AND THE SELF-FUNDING AND EVERY OTHER WAY THAT WE MAKE REVENUE AND GETS JUST TO WHAT THE ACTUAL TAX DOLLAR SUPPORTS YOU'LL SEE THAT ABOUT 85% OF IT GOES INTO PUBLIC SAFETY, PUBLIC WORKS AND PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
SO IT GOES INTO THE SCHOOLS, THE TRASH PICKUP AND ALL THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
56% OF IT DOES GO TO THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
SO THAT IS TAKING THE CONTRIBUTION THAT WE GIVE TO THE SCHOOL DIVISION AND ALSO ADDING IN ALL OF THE DEBT THAT WE PAY ON SCHOOL PROJECTS.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS IF I MAY.
I WANT TO THANK YOU IN YOUR STAFF FOR DOING THIS WORK THAT YOU DID I'VE UNDERSTAND.
YOU'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR MONTHS.
I THINK YOU STARTED BEFORE I WAS ELECTED.
AND, UM, I THINK YOU DID A GREAT, GREAT JOB, AND I WANT TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW THAT I KNOW I WAS A THORN IN YOUR SIDE, DEEP DIVING AND ALL OF THESE ACCOUNTS.
AND I CAN HONESTLY SAY THAT, UM, I, I SUPPORT THIS BUDGET, YOU KNOW, I, I SEE THERE COULD BE ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENTS, BUT I THINK YOU, YOUR TEAM DID A GREAT JOB.
HE GOES, I WAS, I WAS BUTTERING THEM UP.
MUST BE A BIG WHEN SHE BUTTERED YOU UP, IT'S AN EASY ONE.
IT'S A VERY EASY, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WHEN I LOOKED AT THE SCHOOL BUDGET, WE ARE NOT INCREASING THE COUNTY CONTRIBUTION OF THE SCHOOL BUDGET.
WE ARE GIVING THEM THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE GAVE LAST YEAR.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I READ THAT CORRECTLY.
SO THE SCHOOL BUDGET REQUESTS THREE 70, YES, 370,000 ADDITIONAL OUR BUDGET HAS LEVEL FUNDING.
SO WE WILL RECONCILE THOSE, HOWEVER, THE BOARD DETERMINES WHEN WE ADOPT THE BUDGET, BUT THAT WILL BE ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE BUDGETS THAT YOU NOTICE IS THAT SCHOOL WOULD SAYS OVER HERE, OLDERS 370,000 COMING FROM THE COUNTY.
SO, UH, JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND THAT THEIR BUDGET STILL SHOWS IT THAT'S HER.
DALEY SENT ME A COST, UM, SO ROUGHLY ABOUT $220,000 FOR WHAT IT WOULD COST US TO MOW MULCH AND WHATEVER ELSE WE DID TO THE SCHOOL FACILITIES, THE LANDSCAPING AND THE MOWING AND THAT.
SO SHOULD THE, THE, THE SCHOOLS TAKE THAT BACK.
WOULD WE REDUCE OUR BUDGET BY THE SAME OR NO, NO.
THIS BUDGET PROJECTS THAT THE SCHOOLS WOULD TAKE BACK MOWING SERVICES ANYWAY.
I JUST WANTED TO ASK THAT QUESTION IF THAT WAS AN ASSUMPTION IN THE BUDGET.
SO A COUPLE OF, UM, COMMENTS YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS BUDGET SINCE DECEMBER, I THINK YOU'VE SEEN EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THERE IN ONE FORM OR ANOTHER.
AND, UM, WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF OUTSTANDING ISSUES WHEN THE STATE RETURNS, UH, THE GROCERY TAX, THE ALLOCATION TO SCHOOLS RIGHT NOW IS PROJECTED AT ABOUT 10% THAT THE STATE WILL BE CONTRIBUTING AND WHAT THE STATE IS GOING TO CONTRIBUTE TO STATE SUPPORTED POSITIONS IN THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS, IN SOCIAL SERVICES AND AREAS LIKE THAT.
THOSE WILL AFFECT WHAT WE DECIDE IN THE ULTIMATE END OF THE BUDGET.
UH, IF THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU THINK OF THAT WE DON'T HAVE, BESIDES THESE TWO ITEMS FROM SCHOOLS, WE CAN REQUEST THAT.
AND YOU CAN ALSO LAST YEAR, YOU HAD TWO MEETINGS WITH THE SCHOOLS.
IF YOU DECIDE YOU WANT TO HAVE A SECOND ONE, WE NEED TO GET IT IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS IN ORDER TO GET THAT THE TENTATIVE ADOPTION DATE IS THE 19TH THAT IS GOING TO MOVE.
IF WE DON'T HAVE A STATE BUDGET.
SO WE'RE, WE CAN'T APPROVE A BUDGET.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO ASK YOU TO APPROVE IT UNTIL YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO DO AND WHAT PROVIDE.
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IF THE SCHOOL'S NOT ALREADY AWARE THAT WE ARE LEVEL FUNDING THEM FROM LAST YEAR, IT WOULD BE THERE.I MEAN, I'M MORE THAN WILLING TO MEET WITH THEM WHENEVER THEY WANT TO MEET, BUT I GUESS IT IS THEIR OPTION TO ASK US TO MEET RATHER THAN THE REVERSE.
ALSO, UH, THEY ARE AWARE THAT THERE IS NO INCREASED FUNDING FOR OPERATIONS IN THE SCHOOLS, IN THE PROPOSED COUNTY BUDGET THAT WAS GOING TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE BOARD.
AND THEY'D BEEN AWARE OF THAT FACT FOR ABOUT A MONTH.
WELL, IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO, TO MEET AGAIN, I'M SURE ALL OF US ARE MORE THAN WILLING TO MEET, BUT, UM, IT'S GOING TO BE A HARD SALE, I BELIEVE.
AND I TOO WANT TO ECHO MS. COOK, I THANK YOU ALL THIS.
YOU'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK SINCE YOU GOT HERE AND YOU HAVEN'T BEEN HERE THAT LONG HELL PROBABLY SEEMS LIKE A LONG TIME.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS IN END OF AUGUST.
SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS LAUGHING.
I WAS LIKE, WELL, WHENEVER I STARTED, I WAS WORKING ON BUDGET TOO.
SO I DON'T THE SAME, BUT, UH, YOUR, YOUR STAFF HAS, UH, AND YOUR STAFF HADN'T BEEN HERE THAT LONG EITHER.
SO TO BE APPLAUDED FOR COMING IN, STARTING AT SCRATCH AND GETTING ALL THIS.
AND, UM, AND IT MAKES SENSE, UH, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THIS AND MAYBE IT'S, CAUSE I'M GETTING A LITTLE BIT MORE USED TO THE, THE RHYTHM OF THIS, BUT, UM, IT'S EASY TO READ AND UNDERSTAND, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
THAT'S WHY I DON'T MIND THE QUESTIONS.
IT'S THE GOAL OF THE OFFICE TO BE TRANSPARENT.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR CREATING THE ASSET REPLACEMENT FUND.
UM, I THINK THAT THE LACK OF VISION IN SOME OF THE PREVIOUS BUDGETS OR WHY WE GOT OURSELVES INTO CERTAIN PICKLES.
AND SO I THINK THAT THAT IS, UM, A WONDERFUL ADDITION TO THE BUDGET SO THAT, YOU KNOW, FUTURE BOARDS WON'T HAVE TO MAKE HARDER DECISIONS ABOUT TAX INCREASES AND SO FORTH.
AND A LOT OF THAT, I WOULD ADD, GOES TO THE GUY IN THE WINDOW OVER THERE, UM, MR. JONES, WORKING ON THE IT AND BRINGING THAT SYSTEM UP TO A POINT WHERE IT PROVIDED MATT WAS ABLE TO PROVIDE A WHOLE LOT MORE INFORMATION BECAUSE HE HAS ACCESS TO IT.
THE WONDER OF COMMUNICATION, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH THE COMPUTER FACE TO FACE IS JUST AMAZING.
ISN'T IT? EDUCATION AND COMMUNICATION GOES A LONG WAY, BUT, AND THANK YOU MR. WHITE AND YOUR STAFF, THEY TOO HAVE JUST STARTED AND STARTED WHILE THEY STARTED FROM, WELL, LET'S JUST SAY THE WHOLE THING WAS A MESS.
WE GREATLY APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU.
SO, AND TALKING TO SOME OF THE PEOPLE, UM, ON THOSE PAUL IN THE PUBLIC AND, AND FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD AND FROM JUST GENERAL CONVERSATIONS, THEY HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH THE SAME CHALLENGES THAT YOU HAVE.
AND WE HAVE, BECAUSE IT'S THE FIRST TIME THAT THEY'VE SEEN SOME OF THIS STUFF TOO.
THAT'S TO ME, IT'S FORCING US TO BE BETTER THAN WHAT WE CAME FROM.
SO IS THERE A MOTION ON THE, UM, AUTHORIZATION TO ADVERTISE FOR PUBLIC HEARING? SO MOVED? I THINK GOD WANT ME TO READ IT JUST BECAUSE IT'S GOT THE DATE? YEAH.
I MOVED THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AUTHORIZED THE ADVERTISEMENT OF THE PROPOSED 22, 20 23 BUDGET WITH THE SAME TAX RATES AS 2022 WITH NO INCREASE AND THE SANITARY DISTRICT TAX RATES AND BUDGETS AS PROPOSED BY THE SANITARY DISTRICT, HOA, P O H S AND ADVISORY BOARDS FOR A PUBLIC HEARING TO BE HELD ON APRIL 12TH, 2022.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND ROLL CALL, MRS. SHERLOCKING MR. MABE, MRS. COOK.
[B. Resolution Dedicating Right-of-Way for the Norfolk Southern Railway Grade Separated Bridge Overpass – Taryn Logan ]
RESOLUTION DEDICATING RIGHT AWAY FOR NORTH OF SOUTHERN RAILROAD GRADED GRADE SEPARATED BRIDGE OVERPASS, MRS. LOGAN GOOD EVENING.UM, IN YOUR PACKETS, YOU HAVE THE, UM, RESOLUTION PROPOSED RESOLUTION FOR THE ROCKLAND ROAD RIGHT AWAY REQUESTS FOR THE NORFOLK SOUTHERN RAILWAY
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GRADE SEPARATED BRIDGE OVERPASS.UM, WE'VE PROBABLY DISCUSSED THIS A LOT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT ME TO GO INTO MORE DETAIL.
UM, BUT THAT'S THE, UM, PROPOSED RESOLUTION AND THEN THERE'S THE, UM, SKETCH THAT I RECEIVED FROM VIDA IN YOUR PACKETS AS WELL? I THINK JUST FOR PUBLIC, WE DON'T NEED TO READ THE WHOLE RESOLUTION NECESSARILY, BUT JUST TO BE TRANSPARENT WITH THE PUBLIC.
UM, IF YOU COULD EXPLAIN THAT V DOT, WHY VEEVA V I CAN'T TALK V NOT WANTED THIS.
UM, SO JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE HISTORY, UM, THE VIRGINIA LUMPUR PORT WAS AWARDED, UM, 15 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS FROM THE US DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION'S BETTER UTILIZING INVESTMENT TO LEVERAGE DEVELOPMENT, BUILD, UM, GRANT TO HELP EASE THE TRAFFIC IN AND OUT OF THE PORT, AS WELL AS, UM, AROUND THE PORT.
SO THIS WOULD INCLUDE THREE NEW LOADING TRACKS THAT EXTEND THE CURRENT RAIL TRACKS.
UM, AND THEY WANT TO PURCHASE TWO NEW CARRIERS AND THIS WOULD BUILD A NEW HIGHWAY BRIDGE, UM, GRADE SEPARATION.
SO.IS ACTUALLY AS PART OF THIS PROJECT.
UM, THEY WOULD BE MOVING OUR ENTRANCE INTO ROCKLIN PARK, UM, MORE TO THE EAST, AND THEN THEY WOULD BE, UM, PROVIDING A LITTLE SERVICE ROAD OVER, UM, TO THE ELECTRICAL COMPANY.
SO THEY ARE ASKING FOR A DONATION OF ONE, AN APPROXIMATELY ONE AND A HALF ACRES OF OUR LAND, UM, FOR THAT RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE BRIDGE PROJECT.
UM, THE TOTAL, THE FEDERAL GRANT COVERS 15 AND A HALF MILLION FEET OUT IS GOING TO RE BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE REMAINING, WHICH IS ABOUT OUR REMAINING 8 MILLION, I THINK AT LEAST 8 MILLION.
AND WE, THIS WOULD BE THE COUNTY'S DONATION TOWARDS THE PROJECT, UM, THE RIGHT OF WAY THROUGH OUR ROCKLAND PARK PROPERTY.
AND IT REALLY, IT'S NOT GONNA BE AN IMPACT.
I MEAN, THAT PART OF ROCKLIN PARK IS NOT GOING TO IMPACT ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE AND THEY'RE, AND THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD US, UM, A LITTLE, UH, PARKING AREA OVER BY WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE NEW FIELDS WHERE THE FIELDS ARE ALREADY GRADED THERE.
THEY'RE JUST NOT READY FOR PLAY.
AND THIS CONSTRUCTION IS PROPOSED TO START IN LATE 20, 23, ACCORDING TO THEIR SCHEDULE.
SO ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MRS. LOGAN ON THIS? THE QUESTION I'M SORRY.
UH, MRS. LOGAN DOES THE LAND THAT WE'RE PROPOSED TO GIVE, IS IT HIGHLY USABLE LAND ARE, I MEAN, I LOOKED AT THE PACKET, UM, SO WE COULDN'T SELL IT FOR MORE MONEY.
WE COULD, I MEAN, WE COULDN'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT OURSELVES, SO GIVING IT TO, UM, THE INLAND PORT AND V DOCK IS PROBABLY THE BEST USE OF THE, OF THE LAND.
IS THAT, THAT'S THE WAY THAT I KIND OF UNDERSTAND IT, IS THAT CORRECT? I THINK SO.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT, I MEAN, THE, THE BRIDGE PROJECT IS, IS GOING TO HELP.
I MEAN, WE'VE HAD SO MANY, SO MUCH TROUBLE OVER THE YEARS FOR THAT, THAT RAILROAD BEING BLOCKED AND THE ROCKLAND COMMUNITY HAS BEEN BLOCKED.
UM, SO I THINK, I MEAN, THIS DONATION OF THE LAND REALLY DOESN'T AFFECT THE PARK OPERATIONS.
I MEAN, THIS IS JUST MOVING OUR ENTRANCE IN THAT, IN THE ROAD GOING IN, UM, OVER, I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN THAT SPACE THAT IT'S GOING TO IMPACT, AND THEN IT WILL BE FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE PROJECT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE SLOGAN? IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION ON THIS MADAM CHAIR? I MOVED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO ADOPT THE ATTACHED RESOLUTION, AGREEING TO THE DEDICATION OF THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR THEIR PROPOSED ROCKLIN ROAD GRADE SEPARATED BRIDGE OVERPASS.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND ROLL CALL, MRS. SHAHRAKI MRS. OATS.
I MRS. COOK I MR. MABE, THANK YOU.
[C. Resolution in Support of US Bike Route 211 – Joe Petty ]
RESOLUTION IN SUPPORT OF US BIKE, ROUTE TWO 11, MR. PETTY, I THINK THAT WE WERE GOING TO REQUEST TABLING THIS PARTICULAR ITEM UNTIL APRIL 5TH AFTER MR. PETTY'S WONDERFUL WORK SESSION PRESENTATION.JUST SO SUPERVISOR COOK WHO'S HIGHLY IMPACTED WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO INFORM HER COMMUNITY.
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SO, UM, I MOVE THAT.WE TABLE THIS UNTIL APRIL 5TH.
[D. Memorandum of Agreement with the Town of Front Royal for Destination Marketing Organization Services Provided by Discover Front Royal – Alisa Scott ]
MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT WITH THE TOWN OF FORT ROYAL FOR DESTINATION MARKETING ORGANIZATION SERVICES PROVIDED BY DISCOVER FRONT ROW.YOU HAVE IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET TONIGHT, A DRAFT MEMORANDUM, MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT OR AN AGREEMENT, UM, AS IT'S BEEN CHANGED WITH THE TOWN OF FORT ROYAL FOR DESTINATION MARKETING ORGANIZATION SERVICES.
SO THERE'S A HISTORY THAT I COULD READ OUT LOUD, OR I COULD BRIEFLY OVERVIEW FOR THE BOARD WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON RECENTLY, AND THEN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO YOU, WHICHEVER ONE YOU WANT TO DO, THAT'D BE FINE.
SO SINCE, UH, 2017, UH, WHEN THE COUNTY ADOPTED AN ORDINANCE TO INCREASE THE TRANSIT OCCUPANCY TAX FROM 2% TO 5%, THE COUNTY AND THE TOWN ENTERED INTO A MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT THAT ESTABLISHED AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR JOINT TOURISM BETWEEN THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY.
AND, UM, IN, IN JANUARY OF 2021, THERE WAS A AMENDMENT TO THAT MOA THAT ESTABLISHED THE COMMITTEE AS MORE OF A CONTRACT OVER THE, OVER A MANAGER OF THE CONTRACT OVER THE JOINT, A TOURISM DESTINATION MARKETING ORGANIZATION CONTRACT FOR THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL.
SO NOW THE TOWN OF FORT ROYAL AND THE COUNTY HAVE AGREED TO ENTER INTO AN MOA FOR DESTINATION MARKETING SERVICES AND TO ESTABLISH AND FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF DISCOVER FRONT ROYAL, WHICH IS A 5 0 1 C6 NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION.
SO THIS ORGANIZATION WILL BECOME THE DESTINATION MARKETING ORGANIZATION FOR FRONT ROYAL AND WARREN COUNTY.
THE PURPOSES OF THIS ESTABLISHMENT IS A SINGLE POINT OF CONTACT FOR TOURISM.
IT COMBINES THE, UH, FUNDING OF TOURISM DOLLARS FOR EQUAL FUNDING FROM THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY.
AND IT PROVIDES, UM, THE MARKETING OF FRONT ROYAL AS A DESTINATION, UM, AS A PREMIER TOURISM DESTINATION.
AND DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME WHEN YOU SAY FRONT RAIL, BUT THAT ENCOMPASSES WARREN COUNTY AS WELL? YES, DEFINITELY.
IT'S GOING TO BE BRANDED AS DISCOVER FROM WILD, WHICH SHOULD BE THE TITLE OF THE 5 0 1 C SIX NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION.
JUST, I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR TO ANYONE THAT'S LISTENING THAT IT DOES.
IT IS A PARTNERSHIP TO ADVERTISE TO MARKET OPPORTUNITIES OF TOURISM IN THE COUNTY AS WELL.
THAT WILL BE IT COUNTY BUSINESSES, RIGHT? YES, DEFINITELY.
SO THE TOWN, UM, THE TOURIST IS DEFINED AS SOMEONE 50 MILES AWAY OR FURTHER, AND THEREFORE NO TOURIST, KENNY DISCOVER FRONT ROYAL WITHOUT EXPERIENCING MORE THAN OKAY.
DAILY AND I'VE BEEN PREACHING THAT SERMON NOW FOR A LITTLE WHILE, AND NOW I'M ON BOARD.
SO ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. SCOTT ON THIS? NO, THANK YOU.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THIS ITEM? YES.
YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD? THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CHANGES.
SO THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENT THAT CAME OVER, DR.
YES, MA'AM, WE'VE TWEAKED THAT JUST A TAD.
AND YOU WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THE TWEAKS THAT WE'VE MADE THERE JUST A COUPLE OF VERY MINOR TWEAKS.
THANKS FOR THE, UM, DOCUMENTS.
YOU HAVE ONE DOCUMENT WITH THE RED LINES AND ONE WITHOUT WE WOULD PROPOSE YOU USE THE FINAL DOCUMENT THAT DOES NOT HAVE ANY RED LINES.
AND IF YOU GO TO THE BOTTOM PARAGRAPH OF PAGE ONE, WE WOULD LOOK
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AT IN LINE FOUR, WE WOULD CHANGE THAT TO READ THAT PRIOR TO ANY TOURISM EXPENDITURES OUTSIDE OF THIS AGREEMENT, THE TOWN OR COUNTY SHALL CONSULT WITH DISCOVER FRONT ROYAL.THEN OVER ON PAGE THREE, UNDER THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL NUMBER TWO, SECOND LINE ENDS WITH THE WORD RESPECTIVE BUDGET PROCESS.
WE WOULD ADD TO THAT AND PAID QUARTERLY.
AND THEN UNDER THE COUNTY OF WARREN ON THAT SAME PAGE, NUMBER TWO, THE SECOND LINE ENDS WITH PROCESS AND WE WOULD ADD AND PAID QUARTERLY.
ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT, IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THIS WITH THOSE CHANGES? OH MY GOODNESS.
YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW GOOD THIS FEELS.
I MOVED THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVED THE FROM ROYAL WARREN COUNTY JOINT TOURISM AGREEMENT AS PRESENTED BY DR.
I FURTHER AUTHORIZED THE CHAIR AND THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT ON BEHALF OF WARREN COUNTY.
SO THAT'S A SECOND ROLL CALL, MRS. SHIRAKI MRS. OATES.
I MR. MABE A LONG TIME COMING, BUT I, AND THE BULK OF THIS WORK ON THIS DOCUMENT WAS DONE BY MRS. SCOTT.
IT WAS THESE LAST COUPLE OF SENTENCES HERE, MRS. SCOTT, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE HARD WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE COIN.
SHE STARTED AT THE TOWN WITH THIS DOCUMENT AND SHE FINISHED HERE AND WE'RE GLAD TO HAVE YOU HERE.
[E. Public Hearing – Conditional Use Permit 2022-01-07, Jennifer Anderson and Christopher Olszewski for a Short-Term Tourist Rental Located at 1240 Downing Farm Road and Identified on Tax Map 36C, Section 2, Block 4, as Lot 48 – Matt Wendling ]
RIGHT.UM, PUBLIC HEARING, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 2022 DASH ONE DASH ZERO SEVEN, JENNIFER ANDERSON AND CHRISTOPHER OSLO, LESCHI.
I HOPE THAT SAID THAT FOR SHORT TERM TOURS RENTAL LOCATED AT 1240 DOWN INFORM ROAD IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 36 C SECTION TWO, BLOCK FOUR AS LOT 48, MR. WENDLING, GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
UH, THE APPLICANTS PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY IN MARCH OF 2021 AND ARE CURRENTLY USING THE HOME AS A SECOND RESIDENCE.
THE DWELLING IS UNIQUE IN THAT IT HAS A GUEST SUITE ADDITION THAT IS ATTACHED VIA AN ENCLOSED BREEZEWAY.
THIS WAS PERMITTED BY THE COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
UH, THEY DO PLAN TO MANAGE THE RENTAL THEMSELVES, INCLUDING MAINTENANCE, BUT ARE CURRENTLY RESEARCHING LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANIES AND WILL RETAIN ONE IN CASE OF EMERGENCIES DURING THEIR GUESTS STAY AND TO ASSIST IN THE CLEANING AND MANAGING OF THE RENTAL.
THE PROPERTY DWELLING DOES MEET THE REQUIRED SETBACKS FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL, SINCE IT'S 351 FEET FROM THE NEAREST WELLING, THE THUNDERBIRD FARMS PROPERTY OWNER ASSOCIATION DID SUBMIT A SURVEY THAT WAS INITIATED BY THEM, UH, AND THEIR BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, BOARD OF DIRECTORS, EXCUSE ME, TO THE 207 PROPERTY OWNERS OF THE SUBDIVISION.
THE SURVEY INCLUDED THE FOLLOWING SET OF QUESTIONS.
DO YOU WANT SHORT-TERM RENTALS WITHIN THUNDERBIRD FARMS? IF YES.
ARE YOU ARE, SHOULD THESE SHORT-TERM RENTAL CLIENTS HAVE ACCESS TO THE THUNDERBIRD FARMS, POA PRIVATE BOAT LANDING? IF YES.
WOULD THERE BE ANY SPECIFIC RESTRICTIONS WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE? WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE IMPOSED ON SHORT TERM RENTAL CLIENTS, COUNTY STAFF? UH, I COUNTED ABOUT 25 COMMENTS AGAINST THE LAND USE AND ABOUT 12 FOR IT.
THEY WERE GENERAL NOT SO MUCH SPECIFIC TO THIS APPLICATION.
IT WAS A GENERAL SURVEY THAT THEY TOOK.
SO, UM, THERE WAS A GRANDFATHER PROPERTY AT ONE-ON-ONE STONY BOTTOM ROAD, UH, WHICH WAS OPERATING A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL UNTIL 2017.
UH, THAT USE IS EXPIRED NOW AND THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER IS RENTING IT LONG-TERM AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID ADD A CONDITION RELATING TO THE USE OF THE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING TO BE RENTED TO ONLY ONE SET OF GUESTS AT A TIME
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SO THAT IT WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED A MULTI-FAMILY USE.UM, THEY MOVED IT FORWARD WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
UH, NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, MORGAN COUNTY, BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION, CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.
NUMBER TWO, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED SIX AS A TERM.
AND ACCORDING TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, ADDITIONAL OPERATIONAL PERMIT FOR THREE BEDROOM DWELLING, NUMBER THREE, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE WILD WATER TESTED ANNUALLY FOR ECO-LINE AND CALIFORNIA BACTERIA.
AND A COPY OF THOSE RESULTS SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING AND HEALTH DEPARTMENTS.
NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM INSPECTED ANNUALLY BY THE STATE LICENSED INSPECTOR, AND A COPY OF THE RESULTS SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING AND HEALTH DEPARTMENTS.
THE SYSTEM SHALL ALSO BE SERVICED EVERY FIVE YEARS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND A COPY OF THAT SERVICE INVOICE SHALL BE PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
NUMBER FIVE, THE DISCHARGE OF FIREARMS AND HUNTING ON THE PROPERTY BY GUESTS SHALL BE PROHIBITED.
NUMBER SIX, THE USE OF ALL TERRAIN VEHICLES BY GUESTS ON THE PROPERTY AND WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION SHALL BE PROHIBITED.
AND NUMBER SEVEN, THE PROPERTY SHALL BE USED ONLY AS A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING AND SHALL ONLY BE RENTED TO ONE SET OF GUESTS AT ANY ONE TIME.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.
UH, JASON PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED.
THERE IS A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE THUNDERBIRD FARMS, A BOARD OF DIRECTORS HERE, I BELIEVE HE'S SIGNED UP AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? YOU CAN COME UP AND SAY YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.
UM, HI, MY NAME IS JENNIFER ANDERSON.
UM, OUR ADDRESS IS 1240 DOWNING FARM ROAD, AND I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS.
UM, FIRST I WANTED TO THANK THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT FOR, ESPECIALLY MR. ONE-LANE FOR WHO'S PROVIDED A LOT OF INSIGHT AND HAS BEEN REALLY HELPFUL IN THE PROCESS.
UM, I WANTED TO KIND OF TAKE A MINUTE TO INTRODUCE OURSELVES, UM, BY FIANCE.
CHRISTOPHER WILL, CHESKY HAS A LOT OF CONTINENTS IN HIS LAST NAME.
UNFORTUNATELY, COULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT CAUSE HE'S ON A FLIGHT.
UM, WHICH WAS A PRE-PLANNED TRIP.
SINCE OUR, I KNOW WE WERE HEARING WAS PUSHED BACK A WEEK TO ACCOMMODATE KIND OF THE ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENTS.
UM, BUT I GREW UP IN AN ARMY FAMILY, UM, AND HAD BEEN IN DC AREA FOR ABOUT 15 YEARS, OBVIOUSLY.
UM, THE PANDEMIC HAS CHANGED A LOT OF THINGS FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, MY DAD WAS ILL, UM, FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME AND WE KIND OF STARTED LOOKING OUTSIDE THE CITY FOR A PLACE THAT OUR FAMILY COULD LIVE.
UM, AND AFTER SIX MONTHS OF SEARCHING, WE FOUND THIS HOME AND REALLY, REALLY LOVED IT.
AND FIRST AND FOREMOST, IT'S REALLY LIKE OUR FAMILY HOME.
UM, I HAVE A REALLY GOOD FRIEND WHO GREW UP IN FRONT ROYAL WHO HAD ALWAYS LIKE SUNG IT'S PRAISES.
AND WE HAD VISITED A LOT AS VISITORS AND WERE REALLY KIND OF HAPPY TO HAVE FOUND THIS PLACE.
UM, BUT BECAUSE IT IS OUR SECOND FAMILY HOME, UM, YOU KNOW, WE STARTED THINKING ABOUT, UH, AND BECAUSE OF THE LAYOUT AS MR MENTIONED, UM, WE HAVE THIS GUEST SUITE THAT'S ATTACHED TO KIND OF, UH, UH, THROUGH A BREEZEWAY ATTACHED TO OUR MAIN PART OF OUR HOME, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY KIND OF SET UP AS LIKE A, ESSENTIALLY IT'S LIKE A MASTERS MASTER BEDROOM ON THERE'S NO KITCHEN, BUT IT'S KIND OF A NICE SEPARATE SPACE TO BE ABLE TO RENT IT OUT.
WE STARTED KIND OF THINKING ABOUT WOULDN'T IT BE NICE, UM, WHEN OUR FRIENDS OR FAMILY ARE NOT STAYING THERE TO BE ABLE TO WELCOME VISITORS.
UM, BUT I KIND OF SHARE THAT BACKGROUND WITH YOU BECAUSE I WANTED TO KIND OF POINT OUT, LIKE WE'RE NOT PROFESSIONAL REAL ESTATE INVESTORS.
IF WE HAD, WE WOULD HAVE APPLIED FOR THIS PERMIT.
UM, A YEAR AGO, ONCE WE CLOSED ON THE HOUSE, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAD KIND OF HAD TIME TO ENJOY IT OURSELVES.
AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE DOING IT RIGHT.
I REACHING OUT TO OUR NEIGHBORS AND WE KNEW THIS PERMIT PROCESS EXISTED.
SO IT'S NOT CURRENTLY BEING RENTED.
UM, IT'S NOT BEING ADVERTISED AT ALL.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, UH, I UNDERSTAND THAT A LOT OF OUR, THE MEMBERS OF OUR HOA HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.
AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL NEW TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE TOOK SOME TIME TO REACH OUT TO OUR NEIGHBORS, SPOKE AT OUR AGE, UM, HOA POA MEETING WROTE LETTERS TO OUR NEIGHBORS AS WELL, AND TOOK TIME TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.
UM, AND AS MR ONELINK SIDE, UM, IN THAT KIND OF LETTER THAT WAS SENT OUT TO OUR NEIGHBORS, IT KIND OF ASKED QUESTIONS MORE GENERALLY ABOUT SHORT-TERM RENTALS RATHER THAN ABOUT OR SPECIFIC APPLICATION.
UM, SO I WANTED TO KIND OF ADD THAT CAVEAT THERE, BECAUSE IF YOU READ THROUGH THE PUBLIC COMMENT, UM, IT'S, IT'S ABOUT KIND OF RESERVATIONS ABOUT, UH, SHORT-TERM ANSWER RENTALS IN GENERAL.
AND I WANTED TO KIND OF ALSO PAY RESPECT TO THIS PERMITTING PROCESS, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE HAD TO SUBMIT DOCUMENTATION, UM, COME TO A PUBLIC HEARING TO TALK ABOUT THE SPECIFICS OF OUR SPECIFIC OF OUR APPLICATION AND WANTED TO KIND OF, UM, UH, BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION BECAUSE A LOT OF THE
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COMMENTS ARE MORE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC SAFETY, WHICH OF COURSE LIKE WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL.UM, BUT IT ISN'T A GATED COMMUNITY.
IT IS BASICALLY ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC.
UM, THERE WERE A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT KIND OF THE COMMONLY MAINTAINED UTILITIES, UM, LIKE THE PRIVATE ROADS AND, UH, THE BOAT LANDING.
UM, BUT HONESTLY WE HAVEN'T ACTUALLY BEEN TO OUR PRIVATE BOAT LANDING EVER.
WE TRIED TO FIND IT ONCE AND KIND OF COULDN'T FIND IT.
SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND AS SOMEONE WHO'S NEW TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE WERE, ARE ACTUALLY ACROSS, DIRECTLY FROM, UM, THE, THE PUBLIC BOAT LANDING AND THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD DIRECT OUR VISITORS AS WELL.
UM, I THINK THOSE WERE THE MAIN POINTS THAT I WANTED TO RAISE.
UM, AND I THINK THOSE WERE THE MAIN POINTS THAT WERE RAISED BY OUR NEIGHBORS AS WELL, WHICH IS WHY I WANTED TO BRING THOSE TO YOUR ATTENTION.
UM, I THINK, UM, I KNOW THAT THE POA IS, UH, KIND OF TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH CHANGING THE COVENANTS, BUT AS THE COVENANTS ARE WRITTEN, UM, ARE, ARE THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE CURRENTLY PERMITTED BECAUSE THEY'RE PERMITTED UNDER THE DEFINITION OF RESIDENTIAL USE.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, IF THE COVENANTS CHANGE, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE TO RESPECT THAT AS WELL, BUT AS THEY STAND, UM, IT IS A PERMITTED USE.
UM, SO WE REALLY THINK, UM, EVERYONE'S KIND OF INVOLVEMENT AND KIND OF FEEDBACK INTO THIS.
WE'D LOVE THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS ENGAGED.
THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE CHOSE IT.
UM, BUT, UH, AGAIN, IT WOULDN'T BE A FULL-TIME RENTAL.
IT'S REALLY JUST KIND OF ON, AS FAR AS WE'RE CONCERNED, KIND OF, UH, I AT THIS JUNCTURE IN TIME, KIND OF A SEASONAL RENTAL, UM, WHEN IT'S NOT USED BY US.
SO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD FOR MR. WYNN LANE OR MS. ANDERSON? UM, DO YOU HAVE FOR HER OR MR. OH, I'M SORRY.
UM, I'M READING HERE IN THE APPLICATION AND IT SAYS THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED SIX ACCORDING TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
AND I KNOW THIS, THIS COMMON LANGUAGE, BUT WHEN, THE WAY I UNDERSTAND THE WAY THE PROPERTY IS LAID OUT, YOU HAVE A MAIN DWELLING, THEN YOU HAVE A BREEZEWAY AND THEN YOU HAVE THE, THE, THE OTHER DWELLING THAT THEY ARE GOING TO RENT OUT.
AND THAT'S JUST A ONE BEDROOM, ONE BATH.
SO WE'VE, DOES THIS ALLOW THEM TO HAVE SIX PEOPLE IN THAT LITTLE AREA OR IS THIS JUST A, IT COVERS, AND THIS WOULD ALLOW THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT ALLOWS FOR A TOTAL OF SIX FOR THE HOUSE INCLUSIVE OF THE GUESTS WEEK.
SO IF THE PROPERTY OWNERS, IF, IF MS. ANDERSON AND MR WERE THERE, THERE, THEY COULD HAVE FOUR IN THE, THE MAIN AREA AND THEN TWO PEOPLE COULD RENT THE GUEST SUITE.
AND I THINK THEIR PRIMARY ATTENTION IS TO DO THAT IS, IS TO HAVE TWO PEOPLE, UH, SPECIFICALLY IF THEY'RE THERE, ESPECIALLY, UM, THEY DO WANT TO BE OPEN TO BEING ABLE TO RENT THE WHOLE THING SIX AT ONE TIME.
BUT I THINK FROM WHAT I'VE SPOKE WITH THEM ABOUT, THEY'RE FOCUSING ON JUST HAVING A COUPLE PERIODICALLY COME THROUGH RENT.
SO THEY WOULD UTILIZE THE GUEST SUITE, BUT HAVE ACCESS TO THE KITCHEN.
AND, BUT IF THEY HAVE SIX, THEY HAVE TO BE A GROUP.
IT CAN'T BE I'M RENTING ONE SECTION AND SOMEBODY ELSE IS INDEPENDENTLY, IT'S ALL GOTTA BE ONES.
AND THAT WAS BROUGHT UP BY, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, THEY DIDN'T SEE AN ISSUE WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS BEING THERE AT THE SAME TIME, BUT THEY DID HAVE AN ISSUE WITH HAVING SEPARATE GUESTS.
SO THAT'S WHAT THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE WAS CLEAR THAT IT WAS ONLY FOR ONCE A SET OF GUESTS AT ONE TIME.
WHAT, UH, THAT'S WHAT NUMBER SEVEN IS STATE IN HERE WHERE IT SAYS, CORRECT.
THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL AMENDMENT.
UH, TWO, THERE ARE STANDARD CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. OR MS. ANDERSON? DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING? I MEAN, UM, I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO JUMP IN ON, SORRY.
UM, WE DID DISCUSS THIS WITH THE, UM, THE, THE LAST PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, THE REASON WHY WE APPLIED FOR KIND OF THE MOST EXPANSIVE VERSION OF THE PERMIT IS IN CASE OUR PLANS CHANGE IN THE FUTURE.
YOU KNOW, IT IS A $500 FEE AND A MULTI-MONTH PROCESS.
SO WHILE OUR INTENTIONS AT THE MOMENT ARE JUST TO RENT THE GUEST SUITE, BECAUSE THE PERMIT CONVEYS WITH THE PROPERTY, WE JUST WANTED TO KIND OF MAKE SURE TO COVER THE MOST EXPENSIVE USE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
BUT AS IT STANDS WITH THIS PERMIT, IT'S ONLY ALLOWING TO USE
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TO SINGLE ROW.NOW, UH, IT ONLY, IT ALLOWS THE USE OF THE HOUSE, THE FULL HOUSE TO ONE SET OF GUESTS.
SO IF THEY ARE RENTING AT ONE TIME TO ONE GROUP, FAMILY, WHATEVER, AND THEY EXCEED TWO, OBVIOUSLY THEN, THEN THEY CAN UTILIZE THE WHOLE HOUSE.
BUT THEY COULD NOT RENT LIKE ADVERTISE.
WE HAVE A TWO BEDROOM SUITE, AND THEN WE HAVE A HOUSE TO A SEPARATE SET OF PEOPLE.
SO THEY WOULD BE KIND OF RENTING BOTH AT THE SAME TIME.
AND THAT'S WHAT, UH, WAS BROUGHT UP DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THE CONCERNS THAT, BECAUSE IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, NOT A MULTI-FAMILY DWELLING.
SO, SO THAT'S, IT DOES GIVE THEM SOME FLEXIBILITY, UH, IN RENTING, YOU KNOW, TO A FAMILY OF SIX, UH, OR RENTING TO A COUPLE WHO WOULD JUST LIKE TO STAY IN THE GUEST SUITE.
MRS. SHIRAKI HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? YES, MA'AM ERIC PETERSON.
AND IF YOU WOULD JUST SAY YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, OR, UH, I'M ERIC PETERSON, 1215 STONY BOTTOM RUG.
I'M IN THUNDERBIRD FARMS AND, UH, LAST FALL, THEY MADE ME PRESIDENT OF THUNDERBIRD FARM.
SO I'M HERE TO SPEAK, UH, AGAINST THE PERMIT.
UM, MATT, WE'VE WORKED WITH MATT NOW ON SEVERAL ITEMS AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE THEIR MANAGEMENT OF THESE, UM, UH, PERMITS.
AND THAT, I THINK THAT ONE OF THE ISSUES WITH THAT SEPARATE DWELLING AND THE SEPARATE SUITE IS THAT THEY'LL PROBABLY BE THERE AS MANAGERS WHEN THEY'RE RENTING OUT THE SUITE, BUT THEY WILL HAVE TO HIRE A MANAGER WHO'S LOCAL, UH, LOCAL ENOUGH FOR HIS CRITERIA WHEN THEY'RE RENTING THE WHOLE THING.
I THINK THAT'S HOW IT WOULD WORK.
THEY NEED, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PROPERTY, IF THERE'S A SUDDEN EMERGENCY, WHO'S LOCAL ENOUGH TO FIX THAT OR DEAL WITH IT.
SO, AND THEY'RE ALSO ON A PUBLIC ROAD.
I'M NOT SURE IF SHE'S AWARE IT, UM, THAT DOWNING FARM IS PUBLIC, WHICH IS PART OF OUR SUBDIVISION ON ONE SIDE AND IT'S, IT'S NOT SUBDIVISION ON THE OTHER.
UM, BUT ANYWAY, JUST TO MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT, THE, THE WORK WITH MATT HAS LED US TO THE CONCLUSION.
WE WILL NEED A COVENANT CHANGE TO REALLY COME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND MAKE ANY KIND OF REASONABLE CASE AGAINST SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
AND WE JUST FINISHED FIGURING OUT HOW TO GET A LAWYER.
AND WE TALK WITH THE LAWYER A MONTH AGO, AND A WEEK AGO, WE JUST GOT THE LANGUAGE FOR A NEW COVENANT NUMBER 20, AND WE'LL HAVE TO PUT THAT WITH A BUNCH OF OTHER CHANGES IN FRONT OF THE MEMBERS IN A LONG PROCESS OF, UM, THEY'LL VOTE ON EACH ONE AND HAS TO BE TWO THIRDS APPROVED BY TWO THIRDS OF THE LOTS.
AND AS HE POINTED OUT WITH THE NUMBERS, IT'S PRETTY CLOSE.
UH, BUT SINCE IT GOES BY LOTS, IT'LL PROBABLY DEPEND ON SOME OF THE MULTIPLE LOT OWNERS WHO, WHO MAY MAKE THE DIFFERENCE IN THAT TWO THIRDS.
AND IF THAT COVENANTS CHANGE, WE'LL GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION SAY, HEY, WE HAVE A COVENANT NOW, WILL YOU THINK ABOUT THAT WHEN YOU'RE DOING IT? AND I REALIZE WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE REST OF THE ARGUMENTS ALREADY WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO, UH, JUST WANT TO SUM UP THAT WE'LL PROBABLY BE BACK ON A NEW PERMIT AT SOME POINT WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND MAYBE IT'LL END THERE, OR MAYBE IT WILL COME HERE DISAPPROVED.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL PROBABLY BE BACK WITH, UH, WITH, UH, A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT THE OWNERS REALLY WANT WITH THAT COVENANT, ANY QUESTIONS FOR US? OH, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A POINT THAT THIS BODY DOES NOT ENFORCE COVENANTS.
UM, AND, AND YEAH, WE, WE DON'T.
YEAH, YEAH, WE DON'T, BUT WE DON'T ENFORCE THEM.
EVEN IF YOU WRITE A NEW ONE, IT'S JUST BASED ON, UM, LAND USE AND WHAT IS APPROPRIATE FOR AND WHAT PEOPLE KNOW IN ADVANCE.
AND THAT'S KIND OF THE CRITERIA I THINK, THAT WE USE TO EVALUATE WHETHER OR NOT, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THERE'S NO MISCONCEPTION THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CANNOT ENFORCE COVENANTS.
WELL, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARINGS PARTICULARLY, AND I'VE NOTICED THAT ALREADY.
SO YES, I'LL JUST MENTION THAT ONE BENEFIT TO HAVING A PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION LIKE THUNDERBIRD FARMS IS THEY DO PROVIDE, I'M GOING TO BE JUDGMENTAL SOMEWHAT OF A FAIR OVERSIGHT.
IF THERE ARE ISSUES, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS, OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS CAN COME TO THEM.
SO IF THERE WERE ISSUES WITH THE, UH, SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL, IF IT IS APPROVED, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY THEY CAN REACH
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OUT TO THE COUNTY STAFF, UH, ON AN EMERGENCY BASIS TO SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, BUT THEN ALSO TO THEIR PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION.AND THEN THEY CAN REACH OUT TO US IF THERE'S CONCERNS AND FILE A COMPLAINT OR WHATEVER.
SO AGAIN, UM, AS WITH ALL CPS, THEY CAN BE REVOKED.
UM, BUT THEY ALSO DO GO WITH A PROPERTY.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, MS. ANDERSON AND HER HUSBAND, YOU KNOW, WILL HOPEFULLY, UH, IF THEY ARE APPROVED, WE'LL BUY BY ALL THE RULES AND THEN FUTURE LAND OWNERS WOULD HOPEFULLY ALSO DO THE SAME, BUT, UM, WE'VE CERTAINLY WILLING TO WORK WITH, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION, NOT IN ENFORCEMENT, BUT IN COMMUNICATION.
BUT IS THERE CURRENTLY ANYTHING THAT PROHIBITS, UM, SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN THEIR CURRENT AGREEMENTS OR PROPERTY OWNER ASSOCIATION AGREEMENTS? NO.
OUR COVENANTS SEE RESIDENTIAL USE ONLY IN THE SUPREME COURT OF VIRGINIA SAID A RESIDENTIAL USE INCLUDE SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
WHICH MAKES NO SENSE BECAUSE THEY SAY IT'S NOT A BUSINESS, BUT EXCHANGE OF MONEY FOR SERVICE KIND OF MAKES IT A BUSINESS IN MY OPINION, BUT MY OPINION DOESN'T COUNT EVIDENTLY AT THAT LEGISLATIVE.
UM, AND SHE TO CLARIFY, CAUSE I WANTED TO GET DOWN AND DRIVE TO THE AREA.
I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH DOWNING FARM TO THE BOAT LANDING.
UM, SO YOUR PROPERTY IS OUTSIDE.
THERE'S A SIGN THERE THAT SAYS THUNDERBIRD THUNDER ROAD.
SO IF YOU'RE TAKING A RIGHT ON THUNDER, YOU'RE IN COMPLETELY ON OUR PRIVATE ROAD, BUT IF YOU GO STRAIGHT TO THE BOAT LANDING, YOU'RE ON A PUBLIC ROAD AND ALL THE PROPERTIES ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE ROAD ARE THUNDERBIRD, FARM PROPERTIES ON THE LEFT ARE NOT.
SO IN ESSENCE, THEN THIS, THIS STRUCTURE IS ON PUBLIC.
THE OUTSKIRTS, IT'S NOT LIKE IN THE MIDDLE OR, UM, MORE CENTRAL TO THE SUBDIVISION WHERE THE COMINGS AND GOINGS WOULD BE, UM, MORE BOTHERSOME THAN AT THE BEGINNING OF THAT SECTION.
CAUSE THERE'S TWO ENTRANCES, CORRECT? TO GET INTO THUNDERBIRD ONE OUT ON COREY'S FORWARD BEFORE YOU GET TO DOWNTOWN.
THAT'S THE THIRD ONE, THE TWO THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THUNDER.
AND AT THE VERY BOTTOM NEAR THAT PUBLIC BOAT LANDING, STONY BOTTOM, AND THAT'S WHERE, OKAY.
SO YEAH, THE ONLY THING I WOULD MENTION IN THE COVENANTS IS WE HAVE, WE HAVE THIS NUISANCE LANGUAGE AND THINGS.
AND SO THAT'S REALLY, AND MATT MADE IT VERY CLEAR.
THEY WON'T PUT THAT LANGUAGE INTO A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, BUT THAT'S REALLY WHERE OUR, OUR RECOURSE FOR THINGS LIKE THAT, IF THEY WERE BOTHERING THE RESIDENTS, RIGHT? UM, WELL, AND HISTORICALLY, AND YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG WHEN YOU HAVE A LONG-TERM RENTER, WHICH THEY CAN DO BY, RIGHT? NONE OF US CAN SAY ANYTHING ABOUT YOU GET A GOOD RENTER OR YOU GET A BAD RENTER AND YOU GOT TO PUT UP WITH THEM WITH SHORT TERM.
IF IT DOESN'T WORK OUT, WE'VE GOT ALL THESE CONDITIONS THAT IF THEY BREAK THEM, WE PULL IT AND IT'S DONE.
AND I DON'T THINK HISTORICALLY WE'VE HAD ANY PROBLEMS OUT OF ANY, HAVE WE, WE, WE DON'T TYPICALLY, WE'VE NEVER, SINCE I'VE BEEN ENFORCING THESE NEVER HAD ANY CALLS ON SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTALS, UH, THAT WERE APPROVED BY THE BOARD.
THERE WAS ONE THAT WAS DENIED THAT, BUT, UH, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S REALLY ALMOST MORE OF A PASSIVE USE.
AND, AND I LIKE TO CALL IT SOMEWHAT OF A HYBRID, UH, RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL USE.
IT'S KIND OF RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE THERE, BUT YOU KNOW, THE STATE COURT RULING IS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE RULING, BUT, UH, IN ANY CASE, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF CHECKS AND BALANCES.
THE, THE ONES THAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE ABOUT 15 OR SO THAT ARE GRANDFATHERED.
AND AGAIN, WE DON'T GET CALLS ON THEM, BUT I HAVE TALKED TO PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY PERIODICALLY AND THEY'LL SAY, YEAH, I REMEMBER SOMEBODY STAYED THERE AND BOY, OH BOY, THEY HAD A BABY.
AND THIS WAS AT ONE OF THE ONES THAT WERE GRANDFATHERED THAT WE DON'T REALLY, WE CAN'T REGULATE OTHER THAN MAYBE THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT CAN REGULATE THE, UH, THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE, BUT WE DIDN'T GET ANY CALLS.
SO UNLESS WE GET A CALL FROM SOMEBODY IN THE COMMUNITY, THERE'S REALLY NOT MUCH WE CAN DO.
AND IN THE CASE OF, UH, EVEN ONE OF HIS, UH, THE ANDERSON'S NEIGHBORS, HE SPOKE TO ME, HE SAID, WHEN THAT PREVIOUS PROPERTY WAS GRANDFATHER RENTED AT ONE TIME, THEY HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE AND THERE WAS A BIG PARTY AND WHATNOT.
AND HE HAD TO, YOU KNOW, HE WAS GOING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT AND THEN THEY QUIETED DOWN.
BUT IT WAS SHORTLY AFTER THAT, THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER DECIDED THIS ISN'T WORTH IT TO ME, YOU KNOW? AND SO THEY STARTED RENTING LONG-TERM.
UM, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS A FEW YEARS AGO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE IS CHECKS AND BALANCES AND CERTAINLY THIS REGULATION THROUGH OUR SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS AND
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THE CONDITIONS SPECIFIC TO THE PROPERTY, ALLOW US TO OVERSEE, HAVE SOME OVERSIGHT ON THAT AND CERTAINLY ALLOWS THE PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION TO SAY, HEY, WE KNOW WHAT THE RULES ARE.WE'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL LET THE COUNTY KNOW ABOUT IT, IF YOU DIDN'T.
WE TRY AND KEEP A LINE OF COMMUNICATION OPEN BETWEEN THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND BETWEEN THE POA AND HOA AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT ALLOWS US TO DO OUR JOB WHEN, WHEN NECESSARY.
BUT AGAIN, IT IT'S, IT'S SOMEWHAT OF A PRETTY, I'LL SAY PASSIVE USE.
AND, UH, IT PROVIDES A SERVICE TO PEOPLE WHO WANT TO COME TO THE COUNTY AND STAY IN WHAT, ONE OF YOUR STANDARD HOTEL MOTEL? UH, NO, HERE IN THE COUNTY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IS THERE A MOTION W WAIT A MINUTE, CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AND YOU GOT IT.
UM, I'M OFF MY GAME WITH THIS MEETING TONIGHT BIT.
IS THERE A MOTION AT THIS POINT? MADAM CHAIR.
I MOVED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVED THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST FOR JENNIFER ANDERSON AND CHRISTOPHER.
AND I CAN'T SAY HIS LAST NAME FOR SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND ROLL CALL, MRS. SHIRAKI MR. MABE, MRS. COOK.
AND THAT IS THE END OF OUR AGENDA.
IF NO ONE HAS ANYTHING ELSE, IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? NOPE.
AND ONE OF YOU CAN MOVE ONE TO SECOND.