* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. I'VE GOT SEVEN O'CLOCK BY MY WATCH. SO I'M GOING TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE FOR COMING TONIGHT. AND, UM, JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE, UM, STARTING, UH, EXPLANATION. MY REASON FOR CALLING THIS MEETING, UM, WAS TO, FOR THIS TO BE AN INFORMATIONAL MEETING. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS PROCESS IS OPEN TRANSPARENT, AND THAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR, UM, AND SPEAK THEIR THOUGHTS ON IT. SO AT THE END OF THIS, THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD WHERE, UM, JUST LIKE OUR OTHER MEETINGS, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK AND SOMEBODY TIMERS GOING OFF. UM, [A. The Request of the Property Owners of Shenandoah Farms Board – Ralph Rinaldi] SO WE'RE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS HAVE, UM, THE PROPERTY OWNERS OF SHANDRA FARMS, BOARD, MR. RINALDI, TO EXPLAIN THEIR REQUEST. UM, THIS STARTED OUT WITH US ON MARCH 9TH WHEN MR. RENALDI AS MYSELF AND MRS. OATES TO COME DOWN FOR A MEETING, UM, MRS. OSA WAS UNABLE TO GO TO MRS. COOK AND I WENT DOWN, UM, AND AT THAT TIME WE MET WITH, UM, UH, ANOTHER BOARD MEMBER AND THE SECRETARY, AND THEY EXPLAINED THAT THEY WOULD LIKE, UM, TO CHANGE THE WAY THE OPERATION WAS. AND AT THIS TIME I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MR. RINALDI. AND YOU CAN EXPLAIN THAT, SIR. GOOD EVENING. MADAM CHAIR AND BOARD MEMBERS. UM, I'M THE CHAIRMAN OF PEER OSF AND I'VE SERVED ON THE APPEAL S F BOARD FOR 22 YEARS SINCE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE SHENANDOAH FARM SANITARY DISTRICT OVER 27 YEARS AGO, PLSS HAS HAD A GOOD RELATIONSHIP, UH, WITH WARREN COUNTY FROM 1995 TO 2011 P O S F MANAGED THE SANITARY DISTRICT IN 2012 POS F ASKED THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATION TO MANAGE THE DISTRICT. AND THIS HAS BEEN MANAGED BY THE COUNTY UP TO THE PRESENT TIME, ALWAYS ON THE TABLE WAS THE OPTION FOR POS TO RESUME THE MANAGEMENT OF THE DISTRICT. DURING THE LAST 10 YEARS, WE HAVE HAD THREE DISTRICT MANAGERS AND WE HAVE LEARNED FROM EACH ONE OF THEM TODAY. OUR BOARD IS MUCH DIFFERENT FROM IN YEARS PAST, WE OPERATE WITH A SENSE OF COMMON PURPOSE, UNITY, AND KNOWLEDGE OF THE COMMUNITY. WE THEREFORE EXERCISE OUR CONTRACT OPTION TO CANCEL THE MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT WITH WARREN COUNTY AND RESUMED THE MANAGEMENT OF THE DISTRICT. UH, WE HAVE DEVELOPED A MANAGEMENT STRATEGY AS FOLLOWS ON THE EMPLOYMENT SIDE BECAUSE WE WILL, WE WILL HAVE TO EMPLOY A FOREMAN AND TWO, UH, OPERATORS, WHICH I BELIEVE WILL WE WILL GIVE APPOINTMENT APPLICATIONS TO THE CURRENT, UH, FOLKS INVOLVED. SO THEY WILL HAVE, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY TO APPLY THE BENEFITS FOR THE EMPLOYEE MANAGEMENT WOULD BE HEALTH, DENTAL, AND VISION DISABILITY SHORT-TERM AND LONG-TERM LIFE INSURANCE, 401K WORKMAN'S COMP VACATION AND SICK LEAVE HUMAN RESOURCES SIDE WE'LL HAVE ANNUAL REVIEWS OF EMPLOYEES, PERFORMANCE PLANS AND COUNSELING STATEMENTS, TRAINING, CDL, SAFETY, ET CETERA, RECRUITING, HIRING, AND FIRING TERMINATIONS POLICY AND EMPLOYEE HANDBOOK. TIME SHEET PROCESSING FOR PAYROLL WOULD BE TIME SEAT, DIRECT DEPOSIT PAYROLL SERVICES VERSUS LIVE CHECKS, VIRGINIA TAXES, FEDERAL TAXES, MONTHLY, QUARTERLY, AND ANNUAL FILINGS FOR INCOME, SOCIAL SECURITY, AND OUR EMPLOYMENT TAXES. ON THE ACCOUNTING SIDE, WE WILL HAVE CODES FOR PROJECTION OF EMPLOYEES, LABOR, PROJECT MATERIALS, CONTRACTED SERVICES, AND MATERIALS, PAYING ADDITIONAL INVOICES FOR CONTRACT LABOR PROJECTS, A BROADER SCOPE OF AUDITS AND INCREASED PROPERTY ASSET DEPRECIATION OF THE SCHENDEL FARM CENTER DISTRICT EQUIPMENT CONTRACTS. WE FOLLOW THE WARREN COUNTY GUIDELINES FOR PURCHASING AND CONTRACTS. UH, WE WILL, UH, HAVE CONTRACTORS FOR MAINTENANCE OF EQUIPMENT, ROAD MATERIALS, CULVERTS, FUEL OIL, AND LUBE EQUIPMENT AND VEHICLE INSURANCE REPORTING TO WARREN [00:05:01] COUNTY. WE WILL PROVIDE A MONTHLY AND QUARTERLY REPORT TO WARREN COUNTY, AND WE WILL ALSO REVISE THE CURRENT CIP PLAN PROPERTY AND ASSET MANAGEMENT INVENTORIES TOOL AND EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT. WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THE COUNTY ON THE TRANSITION TIME. UM, IT'S GONNA TAKE SOME EFFORT ON BOTH OF OUR PARTS TO DO THAT CORRECTLY. UM, I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE A FEW QUOTE UNQUOTE BUMPS IN THE ROAD, BUT, UH, WE'LL WORK THROUGH THOSE. THE BIGGEST THING IN MY OPINION RIGHT NOW IS OUR BOARD IS MUCH MORE ATTUNED TO WHAT WE'RE DOING THAN IN THE PAST. IN THE PAST, IT WAS, UH, A LITTLE DIFFERENT BOARD. UH, WE HAVE THREE RETIRED, UH, BUSINESSPEOPLE. WE HAVE A PROFESSOR AT SHENANDOAH UNIVERSITY. UH, WE HAVE, UH, A HOUSEWIFE, ACTUALLY TWO HOUSEWIVES, I GUESS IT'S POLITICALLY CORRECT TO USE THAT TERM NOW. I CAN'T REMEMBER, BUT ANYWAY, UM, THAT'S A WAY YOU FEEL THAT WE ARE CAPABLE OF MANAGING THE DISTRICT AND, UM, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD. DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH? DO YOU HAVE A KNOWLEDGE, OR DO YOU HAVE A GUESS AS TO HOW LONG THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN ON THE BOARD? I MEAN, LIKE YOU SAID, YOU'VE BEEN THERE 22 YEARS. THERE'S THREE OF US THAT HAVE BEEN ON THERE THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME. UM, OUR, ONE OF OUR BUSINESS PEOPLE HAS BEEN ON THE BOARD FOR ABOUT SIX YEARS NOW. UH, LET ME SEE. WE HAVE TWO NEW BOARD MEMBERS THEY'VE BEEN ON FOR ABOUT A LITTLE LESS THAN A YEAR. UM, OUR ATTENDANCE AT MEETINGS HAS GREATLY IMPROVED AS TO WHERE IT COMPARED TO THE PAST. UM, AND WE GET EVERYBODY INVOLVED. NOW WE HAVE ACTIVE COMMITTEES, ET CETERA. YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOMETHING TO THAT I'VE BEEN ASKED. UM, WILL THERE BE, ARE WE GETTING OUT OF THE SANITARY DISTRICT? AND THE ANSWER TO THAT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT. UH, WE'RE JUST SIMPLY CHANGING THE MANAGEMENT STRUCTURE OF THE DISTRICT. UM, THAT'S SOME OF THE QUESTIONS I'VE BEEN FIELDING FROM OUR RESIDENTS, SO, OKAY, MR. RINALDI, MAY I ASK WHAT THE IMPETUS WAS FOR THE CHANGE WITH THE TROUBLES IN THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT AND WARREN COUNTY? WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED A FINANCIAL STATEMENT FOR OUR ACCOUNTS AND CLOSE TO TWO YEARS. UM, THAT THAT'S THE, THAT WAS THE START. UH, WE HAD MEETINGS WITH THE COUNTY. UH, WE HAD MEETINGS WITH THE FINANCE DIRECTOR AND AT THIS POINT THERE'S BEEN NO, UH, VISIBLE CHANGE. UH, I KNOW THAT, UH, THE COUNTIES HAD SOME PROBLEMS AND WE'VE BEEN PRETTY PATIENT WITH THE COMPUTER CRASH. COVID ALL THAT SORTA STUFF HAS CAUSED A DELAY IN THESE REPORTS, BUT, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S BASICALLY STARTED IT. AND THEN WE STARTED LOOKING AT, CAN WE DO IT OURSELVES A LITTLE BIT BETTER AND MORE EFFICIENTLY? AND THE ANSWER BY ALL OF US WAS, YES, WE CAN. SO WE HAVE COMMITMENTS FROM THESE BOARD MEMBERS FOR THIS EXTRA, UM, PR. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU, YOU MAY NOT BE GETTING, BUT THE COUNTY WILL STILL MANAGE THE FINANCES. YOU WON'T MANAGE THE FINANCES REGARDLESS, BECAUSE IF YOU REMAIN A SANITARY DISTRICT, THAT'S A CODIFIED REQUIREMENT, CORRECT. ACTUALLY, UH, THIS, THE COUNTY WILL, WILL, UM, COLLECT THE FUNDS WHEN THEY SEND OUT THE, THE TAX SLIP, RIGHT? AND THEN AT THAT POINT WE PAY, UH, BELIEVE IT'S 5% COLLECTION FEE FOR THAT. AND THEN THE FUNDS ARE DISPERSED, UH, QUARTERLY BACK TO THE MANAGING PARTNER OF THE SANITARY DISTRICT, WHICH WOULD BE US. SO NO, YOU WOULD NOT BE PAYING THE INVOICES OR PAYING OR MAKING PAYROLL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. WE WOULD TAKE THAT BACK. WE HAVE, UM, IN ORDER TO DO THAT CORRECTLY, WE HAVE A, UH, PRETTY QUALIFIED BOOKKEEPER AND FINANCIAL ANALYST THAT WORKS FOR US PART TIME. UH, HE WILL BE DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN, UH, SUBMITTING THESE REPORTS, PUTTING THESE REPORTS TOGETHER. I GUESS I MISUNDERSTOOD WHEN MRS. COOK AND I WERE THERE. I THOUGHT [00:10:01] THAT YOUR BASIC, UM, UNDERTAKEN ON YOUR PART WAS GOING TO OVERSEE THE INFRASTRUCTURE, TRAIN JUDGES, THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS THAT YOU WANTED TO DO, AND THAT, CAUSE I ASKED HOW YOU WOULD DO PAYROLL AND THAT SORT OF THING. AND YOU SAID YOU WOULD WORK WITH OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT. UM, I GUESS WE DIDN'T EITHER OF US ELABORATE TOO MUCH ON THAT, WHICH, UM, AS LONG AS WE'RE FOLLOWING STATE REGULATIONS, UM, IN OUR DEPARTMENT CAN MEET YOUR NEEDS AND IT ALL COMES OUT CLEAN AND AN AUDIT. THEN I, YOU KNOW, PERSONALLY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, BUT THAT'S JUST NEWS TO ME TONIGHT. I DIDN'T REALIZE YOU WERE TAKING THEM OUT OF THE PICTURE AS MUCH AS YOU WERE. NO, I'M SORRY. THERE WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING THERE, BUT WHEN WE MANAGED THE DISTRICT BEFORE WE TOOK CARE OF OUR PAYABLES AND OUR RECEIVABLES, AND THEN OF COURSE THE BIGGEST RECEIVABLE WAS FROM THE COUNTY ON THE COLLECTION OF THE SANITARY DISTRICT FEE. SO IN THE DIDN'T, AND MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD THIS, UM, I KNOW YOU SAID YOU HAD A HARD TIME GETTING AN AUDITOR BECAUSE OF PROBLEMS AND THAT YOU WERE USING OUR AUDITOR. ARE YOU STILL PLANNING TO DO THAT? WHERE ARE YOU SEPARATING THAT AS WELL? YEAH, NO, THE AUDITOR THAT WE USE HAPPENS TO BE THE SAME AUDITOR THAT THE COUNTY USES AND THE SCHOOL SYSTEM USES FOR THEIR AUDIT. UH, WE HAD, WE LOST OUR AUDITOR BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE FALLOUT FROM EDA SITUATION. UM, SO WHEN THAT HAPPENED, WE GOT NOTICE FROM OUR AUDITOR THAT THEY WOULD NOT DO OUR AUDIT ANYMORE. UH, MY SUGGESTION BACK TO COUNTY STAFF WAS LET'S GET AN AUDITOR TO DO ALL THE SANITARY DISTRICTS THAT NEED TO BE AUDITED THAT WAY. IT'S A PRETTY GOOD, UH, ATTRACTIVE CONTRACT FOR AFFIRM. AND IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE CHEAPER FOR EACH SANITARY DISTRICT. WE PAY CLOSE TO $5,500 A YEAR FOR AN AUDIT. UM, SO THAT, THAT, THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT, UH, ALL SANITARY DISTRICTS COULD, UM, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IF WE GROUPED IT IN MRS. COOK. YEAH, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION. SO YOU'RE, UH, YOU'RE PROPOSING NOT TO BE A MANAGED SANITARY DISTRICT. YOU'RE GOING TO BE CONSIDERED A NON-MANAGED SANITARY DISTRICT WHERE YOU'RE STILL IN. YOU STILL WANT THE COUNTY TO COLLECT THE TAXES FROM THE RESIDENTS. THE REASON THAT, UM, MOST COMMUNITIES GO INTO, UH, DECIDE TO GO INTO A SANITARY DISTRICT IS THEIR RECEIVABLES ARE TERRIBLE. UM, BEFORE WE WENT INTO SANITARY DISTRICT, WHICH WAS A LITTLE BEFORE MY TIME, UM, THE, THE COLLECTION, THE, THE LODGE FEES WERE $15. RHODES HAD DETERIORATED. THE $15 FEE WAS A DEEDED LOT FEE THAT COULD NOT BE INCREASED. THAT FEE WAS SET UP IN THE MID SIXTIES, EARLY SEVENTIES, WHEN THE GAS CRISIS HIT PEOPLE WOULD NOT COME OUT HERE AND PURCHASE PROPERTIES ANYMORE. THEY WERE DRIVING UP HERE, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS NO 66, THERE WAS THE BANK. TRENT MAIN MODE OF TRANSPORTATION WAS ROUTE 50. SO THEY WOULD DRIVE UP HERE. UH, COULDN'T GET TO THEIR LOTS EITHER BECAUSE OF FLOODING, DETERIORATING ROADS, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THEY'VE BEEN IN THEIR PROPERTIES. A LOT OF THEM DID. SO AT ONE POINT, THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR POS F APPLIED FOR A SANITARY DISTRICT, UH, SET UP, AND THAT WAS APPROVED BY A JUDGE AND SANDRO FARMS IN 1995 BECAME, UM, A SANITARY DISTRICT WITH THAT. THE ORIGINAL SANITARY DISTRICT FEE WAS $50 AS WE STARTED MAKING IMPROVEMENTS IN THOSE DAYS. AND, UM, I DIDN'T JOIN THAT BOARD UNTIL ABOUT THREE OR FOUR YEARS LATER. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE WAY THE SANITARY DISTRICT WORKS IS IT'S, IT'S A TAX IT'S BUILT WITH YOUR PROPERTY TAX, WHERE YOUR REAL ESTATE TAX, YOU PAY THAT TO THE COUNTY, THE COUNTY IN TURN, AFTER THEY CHARGE US A COLLECTION FEE IN TURN RETURNS, THE MONEY TO THE SANITARY DISTRICT. YOU AS THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ARE THE RESPONSIBLE OR THE MANAGING I'M SORRY, ARE THE, UM, THE, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, DR. DALE. I APPRECIATE THAT THE GOVERNING BODY OF THE SANITARY DISTRICT, YOU, BUT WHEN EACH DISTRICT IS MAINTAINING THEIR OWN PAYABLES [00:15:01] AND RECEIVABLES WITH THE MONEY THAT YOU GIVE THEM, FOR EXAMPLE, BLUE MOUNTAIN, YOU DON'T PAY ANY OF BLUE MOUNTAINS BILLS. THEY PAY THEM THEMSELVES. SO THAT'S WHEN WE CAME TO THE COUNTY, WE WERE MANAGING ABOUT 800, $700,000. AND THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS THAT WE HAD AT THE TIME WAS NOT THE BEST BOARD THAT WE'VE HAD. AND I GOT A LITTLE NERVOUS ABOUT THAT. SO OUR BOARD DECIDED TO TALK TO THE COUNTY ABOUT TAKING OVER THE MANAGEMENT OF THE DISTRICT. THEN IN TURN, THE SUPERVISORS GAVE US A BUDGET, A MONTHLY BUDGET FOR SOME OF THE SOFT COSTS, GRASS CUTTING ON COMMON PROPERTIES, INSURANCE, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THE COUNTY FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS TOOK OVER THE TOTAL MANAGEMENT OF THE SANITARY DISTRICT, EXCEPT THE COMMON PROPERTIES. AND THEN P O S F WAS AN ADVISORY BOARD TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. SO WE PRIOR TO THE COUNTY COMING IN, WE PAID OUR OWN BILLS WITH THE MONEY THAT CAME IN FROM THE SANITARY DISTRICT MONEY. SO I, I JUST WANTED TO JUST GET SOME CLARIFICATION THAT YOU'RE STILL, THE COUNTY WILL STILL COLLECT THE TAXES AND THE FAR AS THE MANAGEMENT AND THE OPERATIONS IS GOING TO BE, UM, UNDER THE CONTROL OF YOUR, UH, THE POS. SO YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO IS CORRECT. OKAY. SECOND QUESTION. AND WHEN'S THE LAST TIME DID YOU ASK FOR A FINANCIAL REPORT FROM OUR COUNTY FINANCIAL DEPARTMENT? WELL, WE STARTED ASKING FOR THAT AND THEN WE GOT, UH, I WOULD SAY OVER A YEAR AGO WE GOT A WHERE THE COMPUTER CRASH. UH COVID UH, THEN WE GOT, UM, WE DID HAVE A MEETING WITH COUNTY STAFF AND, UM, WE MET THE, THE CURRENT, UH, FINANCE DIRECTOR. I HAD MET WITH, UH, TWO OF THE DIRECTORS PRIOR TO THAT, THAT AREN'T HERE ANYMORE. AND SO THAT'S WHY I SAY I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE TREND WITH THE LOSS OF, OF A FINANCE DIRECTOR, WHICH IS A KEY PART OF YOUR OPERATION. I UNDERSTAND THESE, THESE REPORTS NOT GETTING DONE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, UM, I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD, I KEPT ASKING FOR THIS STUFF, HAVE YOU ASKED OUR CURRENT FINANCIAL DIRECTOR, I'VE HAD TWO MEETINGS WITH HIM AND HE'S STILL, HAVEN'T GOTTEN, WE GOT ONE FINANCIAL STATEMENT. WE GOT ONE FINANCIAL STATEMENT IN DECEMBER FOR THE MONTH OF NOVEMBER. THAT'S THE LAST ONE WE'VE RECEIVED. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. RENALDI. YES, SIR. I'M NOT TRYING TO THROW A STONE AT ALL. DID YOU ASK ME, DID YOU ASK ME FOR A FINANCIAL REPORT? NO. I ASKED YOU THE, UM, QUESTIONS REGARDING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, UH, AUXILIARY BUILDING, AND WE ENTERED THOSE PRETTY QUICKLY, RIGHT. ACTUALLY, UM, I HAD TO ASK YOU A SECOND TIME AND THEN, UH, WE GOT AN ANSWER BACK. YEAH, THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. IN THE PAST, WE HAVE RECEIVED MONTHLY AND QUARTERLY STATEMENTS FROM WARREN COUNTY AUTOMATICALLY. AND THEN YOU'VE HAD, I THINK, FOUR FINANCE DIRECTORS IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, UH, MS. COLORS AND, UH, TWO OTHER, UH, PEOPLE CAME DOWN TO LOOK AT OUR BOOKS ONE TIME AND MS. COLORS MADE A STATEMENT. IT SOUNDS LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE WERE BEING ACCUSED OF MISMANAGING STUFF AT THAT TIME. AND THE PERSON ACCUSING US OF THAT WAS LOOKING AT A $900,000 BUDGET. AND WE HAD ABOUT AN $85,000 BUDGET. SO WHEN MS COLORS AND HER FOLKS CAME DOWN, THEY FOUND US TO BE, YOU KNOW, PRETTY SQUARED AWAY. AND MS. COLORS MADE A COMMENT. SOUNDS LIKE THE PROBLEMS ON THE COUNTY SIDE. UH, NO, WHAT I SAID WAS THAT I WOULD BE GLAD TO LOOK AT THE COUNTY SIDE AND IF THERE WAS A PROBLEM, WE WOULD DISCLOSE IT AND FIX IT. AND THAT'S WHAT I SAID. OKAY. AND THEN I'LL STAND CORRECTED ON THAT, BUT WE'VE NOT HEARD BACK FROM YOU ON THAT EITHER. AND I'VE KEPT IN TOUCH WITH YOU ON THAT, BECAUSE AS YOU'VE SAID, WE'VE GONE THROUGH FINANCE DIRECTORS. HONESTLY, EVERY TIME I BROUGHT UP, I NEED TO SIT DOWN WITH YOU ABOUT SHANDO FARMS. WE LOST A FINANCE DIRECTOR. I DON'T THINK IT HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOU. IT WAS POOR TIMING, I GUESS. AND THEN WE DID HAVE THE CRASH AND MR. ROBERTSON AND I HAVE TALKED, AND AS SOON AS THIS BUDGET IS DONE, WE PLAN TO GET TOGETHER. AND MRS. COOK HAS OFFERED TO GET TOGETHER WITH US AND WE WILL LOOK AT THOSE. SO IF YOU PUT YOURSELF IN MY POSITION FOR, FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS, [00:20:01] UH, WE HAVEN'T BEEN GETTING THE FINANCIAL INFORMATION. WE DID ASK THE SANITARY DISTRICT MANAGER FOR SOME INFORMATION ON, UM, NEW CONSTRUCTION FEES. AND WE DID GET THAT INFORMATION. OKAY. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR RESPONSIBILITIES TO OUR COMMUNITY AND WE DON'T GET THESE FINANCIAL REPORTS THAN WE HAVE, UM, WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO GET THAT INFORMATION. SO, AND I UNDERSTAND WITH THE FINANCE DIRECTORS TURNOVERS, WHAT Y'ALL WERE GOING THROUGH, IT TOOK US A LONG TIME TO GET AN AUDITOR WHEN OUR AUDITOR, UH, LEFT US. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT KIND OF STUFF, BUT WE'RE IN A POSITION NOW WHERE WE FEEL WE CAN VERY EFFECTIVELY MANAGE THE SANITARY, UM, AND KEEP MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PROGRESS THAT WE'VE MADE AS A SANITARY DISTRICT OVER THE YEARS. AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE ANY TIME YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE NOT GETTING THE INFORMATION YOU NEED. UM, DR. DALEY IS ALWAYS, I DON'T THINK HE SHUTS HIS DOOR TOO OFTEN. I'D PROBABLY SHUT IT MORE FOR HIM THAN HE DOES. UM, ANY OF US ARE ALWAYS WELCOME, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE TO CALL US AND, YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO DO OUR BEST TO GET ON THEM AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. I DIDN'T REALIZE UNTIL YOU TOLD ME AT THE MEDIUM IS AS COOK. AND I WENT TO THAT, YOU HADN'T BEEN GETTING REPORTS. UM, CAN'T DO SOMETHING ABOUT SOMETHING I'M NOT AWARE OF. AND THE REASON I CAME DOWN WAS NOT THAT I FELT PERSONALLY THAT THERE WAS ANY WRONGDOING, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, AS WELL AS I DO, AND THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM, IT WAS A CONSTANT FLOW OF ACCUSATIONS, UM, WHERE THERE'S SMOKE, THERE'S FIRE USUALLY. AND I WENT DOWN THERE WITH AN OPEN MIND, HOPING I WOULDN'T FIND ANY SMOKE AND WE DIDN'T FIND ANYTHING THAT SEEMED OUT OF SORTS. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT MADE YOU FEEL BETTER, MADE ME FEEL BETTER. UM, SO I, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T GO DOWN THERE WITH THE THOUGHT OF ANYTHING BAD GOING ON, BUT PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW THAT THEY'RE HEARD. SO I, SINCE WE WENT DOWN THERE, WE DON'T HAVE THE PEOPLE COMING IN WITH THE ACCUSATIONS. SO I THINK, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT I WAS RELIEVED THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY KNEW WE HEARD THEM AND WE TOOK SOME ACTION. YEAH. AND I APPRECIATE YOU COMING DOWN THERE AND ASSISTING US IN GETTING THAT PERCEPTION SQUARED AWAY BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT WAS DEFINITELY A DRAIN ON US. AND I WANT TO GET THAT PERCEPTION ON OUR PART AS WELL. AND, UM, I THINK WE'VE GOT AN EXCELLENT FINANCE DEPARTMENT NOW AND WE WILL GET TO IT. IT'S JUST, I DON'T WANT TO BURDEN HIM ANY MORE THAN I HAVE TO RIGHT NOW, BUT HE AND I HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS AND THERE IS A PLAN IN PLACE TO GET THIS DONE. WELL, I APPRECIATE THAT. AND LIKE I SAY, I'VE, I'VE MET WITH, UM, YOUR FINANCE DIRECTOR IS PRETTY SQUARED AWAY FELLA AND, UH, WE'RE IMPRESSED WITH HIS, HIS ABILITIES. UM, AND WHAT YOU'VE BEEN GIVEN. THERE'S NOTHING THAT SEEMS OUT OF SORTS THAT ON WHAT INFORMATION YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN? WELL, WE'VE, WE'VE GOTTEN ONE FINANCIAL REPORT FOR THE MONTH OF DECEMBER. I MEAN, THE MONTH OF NOVEMBER, WE RECEIVED THAT IN DECEMBER. UM, WE DID COMPARE THAT TO SOME OTHER THINGS AND, UM, IT SEEMED TO BE, UH, YOU KNOW, PRETTY ACCURATE AS FAR AS WE'RE CONCERNED. OKAY. THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW. YEAH. NOW DON'T GET ME WRONG. UM, I REALLY DIDN'T WANT TO BRING UP THE FINANCIAL STUFF TONIGHT. OKAY. WE'VE TRIED TO STAY ON THE TOP DRAWER ON THIS THING AND WE DIDN'T, AND I TOLD YOU AT THAT MEETING, WE DIDN'T WANT TO THROW ANYBODY UNDER THE BUS. AND, UM, SO, AND WE STILL DON'T WANT TO DO THAT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WHEN THE QUESTIONS ASKED ABOUT HOW DID IT GET STARTED AND I HAVE TO ANSWER IT. NOPE. I, IN MY OPENING STATEMENT, I SAID, I WANT TO BE OPEN, HONEST AND TRANSPARENT. SO IF IT NEEDS TO BE DEALT WITH, WE NEED TO DEAL WITH IT. SO I GUESS I'M STILL A LITTLE UNSURE. WE WILL. DO YOU EXPECT THAT ONCE WE'VE RECEIVED THE FEES, THAT YOU WILL BE GIVEN THAT LUMP SUM, OR YOU WILL JUST TAKE OUT WHAT YOU NEED TO MAKE YOUR PAYMENTS NOW, THE WAY IT WORKS AND THE WAY IT WORKED BEFORE IS WE WOULD, YOU WOULD COLLECT THE MONEY AND THEN YOU WOULD PAY US QUARTERLY FOR THE MONEY THAT YOU RECEIVED. SO IF YOU RECEIVE X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS, UM, DURING THAT FIRST QUARTER, AT THE END OF THE QUARTER, AND WE WOULD GET X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS IN THE SECOND QUARTER X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS ALL THE WAY AROUND THERE IS NO LUMP SUM FOR THE WHOLE YEAR IT'S BY THE QUARTER. AND THAT'S THE WAY IT WORKS [00:25:01] AT OTHER SANITARY DISTRICT IS ONE DAY EVERY SANITARY DISTRICT WORKS THAT SAME WAY. WE USED TO HAVE MEETINGS LONG TIME AGO WITH ALL SANITARY DISTRICTS AND USUALLY TO TWO MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. AND, UM, THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS SET UP WITH ALL THE SANITARY DISTRICT. SO NOW, UH, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. YOU DO HAVE MEETINGS WITH, UH, WITH MIKE OVER THERE. WE W UH, YES, MIKE'S DONE A GREAT JOB FOR US, MICHAEL FOOT. HE'S DONE A GREAT W WE REFER TO MIKE BARRY AS MIKE MICHAEL IS MICHAEL. SO I APOLOGIZE. THAT'S OKAY. UH, WHEN HE CAME ABOARD, I WAS ON THE HIRING COMMITTEE FOR HIM. UH, WE LOOKED AT HIM AS PRETTY SQUARED AWAY WITH HIS V DOT EXPERIENCE. UH, SO HE CAME IN, UH, I'VE MET WITH HIM EVERY THURSDAY UNTIL HE GOT ACCLIMATED TO OUR SYSTEM. AND THEN OUR MEETINGS BECAME A LITTLE BIT, UM, INFREQUENT. UH, HE WAS, HE, UH, JUMPED IN, HE WAS FULL SPEED AHEAD, DONE A GREAT JOB FOR US. UM, THE, UM, WE'VE ALSO GOTTEN GOOD SUPPORT FROM, UM, UH, MIKE BERRY. SO, OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME AT THIS TIME? MADAM CHAIR, I JUST WANTED TO ASK MR. RINALDI. CAN, CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IN THE, IN THE TWO PROCESSES ARE THE ONE THAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE, WHERE THE MONEY COMES TO THE, TO THE COUNTY AND THEN THE, THE, UH, SANITARY DISTRICT, UH, THE, THE COUNTY, I GUESS, OF THEY, THEY GIVE YOU THE MONEY VERSUS WHAT WOULD BE THE, ONCE YOU TAKE IT OVER, WHO WOULD, IS IT Y'ALL HAVE A TREASURER WHO, WHO TAKES CARE OF THAT? OKAY. WE HAVE A TREASURER HE'LL SPEAK TO YOU LATER IN THIS PRESENTATION. UM, AND WE HAVE A TREASURER. WE HAVE THE, UH, BOOKKEEPER WHO BALANCES OUR BOOKS. UM, AND WE WILL USE THOSE FOLKS TO SET UP WHAT I READ EARLIER ON YOUR, UH, LIKE ON YOUR PAYROLL, HOW WE WOULD DO THAT. UM, IT TAKES TWO PEOPLE TO SIGN A CHECK. WE HAVE BALANCES, WE HAVE NO CREDIT CARD. UM, SO W WE DON'T HAVE ANY WORRIES ABOUT THAT. I THINK IN THE PAST, THERE WAS A COUPLE CENTER DISTRICTS, UH, HAD ISSUE WITH THE CREDIT CARD PURCHASES. WE JUST DON'T HAVE A CREDIT CARD NOR A DEBIT CARD WHEN WE HAVE TO PAY FOR SOMETHING. UM, OVER THAT, THAT WE CAN'T SEND A CHECK TO. I ENDED UP PUTTING IT ON MY DEBIT CARD AND THEN I'M REIMBURSED. SO THAT'S THE WAY WE DO IT. SO WE HAVE A GOOD SET OF BALANCES, CHECKS AND BALANCES WITHIN THE SYSTEM. UM, WE HAVE NEVER FAILED AN AUDIT BY ANY MEANS. UH, SO AFTER HAVING THE BUSINESS PEOPLE, UH, IN, ON OUR BOARD NOW, UM, I FEEL VERY CAPABLE THAT WE CAN TAKE OVER THE MANAGEMENT OF THE DISTRICT. SO THE ONLY THING THAT'S CHANGING HERE IS POS F WOULD MANAGE THE DISTRICT AND THE COUNTY, UH, WOULD NOT BE MANAGING THE DISTRICT, BUT WE REPORT TO YOU AS THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, CAUSE YOU ARE THE GOVERNING BODY FOR THE S FOR ALL THE SENATOR. IT'S NOT ONLY US. SO, SO WHEN WE TALKED, YOU SAID YOU WERE CONFIDENT, THE THREE EMPLOYEES, UM, CURRENTLY WORKING WOULD, UM, APPLY FOR THE POSITIONS UNDER YOU AND VERSUS WHERE THEY ARE NOW. I HAVE HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM, AND I WILL CONFIRM THAT, UM, UM, THEY HAVE BEEN GIVEN AN APPOINTMENT APPLICATION TO FILL OUT, UM, WE WILL ADVERTISE FOR THOSE POSITIONS AND ANYBODY THAT WANTS AN EMPLOYMENT APPLICATION CAN GET ONE. WE WILL ALSO AVERAGE, UH, ADVERTISE FOR A SANITARY DISTRICT MANAGER. UM, AND ANYONE THAT'S IN THE COUNTY COULD APPLY FOR THAT. NOW, WHEN IT COMES, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL DO GENERAL MAINTENANCE AS FAR AS GRADING AND, YOU KNOW, STONE APPLICATION, THAT KIND OF THING, BRUSH CUTTING. WHAT IS YOUR PLAN FOR SNOW REMOVAL? BECAUSE YOU'LL BE INDEPENDENT AND YOU'RE NOT PLANNING TO RELY ON PUBLIC WORKS. HOW ARE, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO, WITH THREE PEOPLE, DO YOUR SNOW REMOVAL ON SNOW REMOVAL. WE HAVE, UM, A, A THREE PERSON CREW THAT IS INVOLVED IN THE SNOW REMOVAL FOR THE HUGE SNOWS THAT COME IN, LIKE THE TWO FOOT THREE FOOT SNOWS WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST. WE WILL CONTINUE TO CONTRACT WITH GEI TO PROVIDE HEAVY DUTY EQUIPMENT. WE STAGE, UM, UM, BULLDOZERS UP ON THE HIGH TOP SECTION AND ONE ON THE, UM, ON [00:30:01] THE LOWER SECTION. UM, THEN THOSE, THOSE, THOSE OUTFITS WILL BE CALLED ON A PREDICTION OF A HEAVY SNOW, AND THEY WILL BE BROUGHT IN WE'VE, UH, THE SENATOR DISTRICT, UM, UH, MICHAEL BROUGHT GUYS AND, UH, GEI, I FOR ONE BIG SNOW, WE WERE ANTICIPATED HAVING THIS YEAR. SO THAT WILL STAY THE SAME. UH, I WILL CONTACT, UM, THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE FARMS FROM GEI AND DEVELOP A PLAN WITH HIM FOR THAT. SO WE SEE NOTHING CHANGING THERE, UM, ON NEW ROAD CONSTRUCTION OR UPGRADES TO ROAD CONSTRUCTION, WE WILL BID THAT OUT TO THE DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS THAT ARE IN THE AREA AND, UH, SELECT THE ONE WE FEEL CAN DO THE BEST JOB. SO, AND WE PLAN ON, UH, KICK-STARTING DEBT OFF IN, UM, IN JULY WHEN WE, WHEN WE TAKE BACK OVER THE MANAGEMENT. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. MADAM CHAIR, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. GO AHEAD. SO MR. RENALDI, YOU HAVE PROJECTS IN PROCESS WITH VIETNAM. WE JUST, WE HAVE, WE DO WE HAVE, UH, SOME, UH, RURAL ROAD ADDITION PROJECTS THAT WE'D MET WITH, UH, UH, MIKE BARRY AND, UM, MICHAEL COFFEE LAST WEEK, UH, V DOT HAS A, UM, PUT OUT THEIR SPECIFICATIONS THAT ARE A LOT MORE STRINGENT THAN THEY WERE BEFORE. AND THE COST OF THESE PROJECTS HAS ALL GONE UP. UM, SO I WROTE AN EMAIL TO MIKE BARRY ON, UM, MONDAY TO, UH, CANCEL THE OLD OAK FOUR AND FIVE PROJECT BECAUSE THE COST WAS GOING TO COST YOU A LOT MORE MONEY AS YOUR PARTICIPANT WAS GOING TO COST US A LOT MORE MONEY. AND THE STATE OF VIRGINIA WAS NOT GOING TO PONY UP THE EXTRA MONEY THAT THEY WOULD HAVE HAD TO PUT IN. SO THAT PROJECT HAS BECOME FINANCIALLY NOT FEASIBLE. SO WE WILL PLAN ON DOING THAT AS AN INTERNAL PROJECT BEGINNING, UH, IN JULY. WELL, MY CONCERN IS THAT, UM, TWO YEARS AGO, 2020, WE VOTED AS A BOARD TO INCREASE THE FEES FOR YOUR COMMUNITY. UM, WE DID A POLL, THERE WAS A WHOLE LOT OF, OF, UH, DATA GATHERING FOR YOU TO FUND THESE PROJECTS. AND NOW YOU'RE CANCELING THESE PROJECTS AND WE'VE COLLECTED FUNDS FOR THOSE PROJECTS. SO I, I JUST, I GOT TO FIGURE OUT MY BRAIN HOW TO NAVIGATE WHAT WE PROMISE TO THIS COMMUNITY WITH THE COLLECTION OF THESE FUNDS AND W WHAT IS NOW GOING TO BE DELIVERED, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GETTING WHAT THEY WERE TOLD. THEY WERE GETTING FOR THEIR $350 A LOT. THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO GET MORE THAN WHAT THEY, WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED UNDER THE VIRGINIA RULE ADDITION PROGRAM, BECAUSE, UM, THE PROGRAM WAS GOING TO BE, UM, I'LL JUST ROUND IT UP A LITTLE BIT, TWICE AS MUCH FOR HALF THE WORK, FOR EXAMPLE, ON OLD OAK FOUR AND FIVE, UH, THE, THE PRICE TO DO, I BELIEVE FIVE WAS MORE THAN THE COST TO DO FOUR AND FIVE ORIGINALLY. SO ON. AND THEN IN SPECIAL PROJECTS FROM WARREN COUNTY, I'VE BEEN TOLD BY, UH, UH, BY THE FINANCE DIRECTOR, THERE'S APPROXIMATELY $2 MILLION IN THOSE FUNDS FOR THAT PROGRAM. YOU HAVE $2 MILLION IN YOUR FUND FOR THAT RURAL ROAD ADDITION PROGRAM. SO BY CANCELING THAT PROJECT, BECAUSE IT WAS GOING TO COST WAY MORE THAN WHAT IT WAS WORTH. WE WILL NOW RUN THAT AS AN INTERNAL PROJECT USING, UM, A TAR AND CHIP METHOD. AND THE ROAD WILL NOT BE PUT INTO THE SAME SPECS THAT BACK THAT UP, THE UNREASONABLE SPECS OF THE DOT. SO WE WILL DO THAT AS A TAR AND CHIP PROJECT, WHICH WE'VE DONE BEFORE, UH, IN THE FARMS. AND, UH, YOU'LL GET A BIGGER BANG FOR THE BUCK. SO COME THE 1ST OF JULY, YOU SAVE $2 MILLION NOT TO BE INTERRUPTING MA'AM, BUT YOU DO HAVE A SERIES OF STAFF PRESENTATIONS THAT ARE GOING TO COVER A WHOLE BUNCH OF THESE QUESTIONS, AND YOU'RE NOT MAKING A DECISION TONIGHT. SO YOU'RE GOING TO BE GOING AROUND IN A CIRCLE IF YOU DON'T THAT SOME OF THAT INFORMATION FIRST, ALL RIGHT, WE'LL GET YOU OFF THE HOT SEAT AND MOVE ON. THEN MADAM CHAIR, I'VE GOT ONE MORE, BUT PUTTING IT BACK ON THE HOT SEAT. AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. UM, WAS THIS, WAS THIS DECISION MADE BY THE BOARD? YES, IT WAS, IT WAS A 100%, UM, UM, 100% IN FAVOR OF DOING THIS OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS. NOW YOU'VE GOT 4,100 PEOPLE OUT THERE IN THE, IN THE, IN THE DISTRICT, IN YOUR DISTRICT. DID YOU [00:35:01] TALK TO ANY OF THOSE PEOPLE? WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? WELL, I MEAN, DID, DID YOU ASK FOR ANY INPUT FROM YOUR CONSTITUENTS THAT WERE OUT THERE THAT WERE JUST IN, THEY WERE INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS SO THEY CAN OFFER YOU OPINIONS? SO THE PEOPLE THAT WERE MAKING THE DECISION, THE BOARD COULD ACTUALLY MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION. IF THAT'S THE RIGHT, IF THAT WAS THE RIGHT DECISION. WELL, THAT'S KIND OF A TOUGH THING TO DO, AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY LAST TIME YOU ASKED A SIMILAR QUESTION OF THAT, AND WE SENT OUT A, A L A SURVEY AT YOUR REQUEST, WHICH COSTS US ABOUT $4,500 TO SEND THAT OUT WITH THE POSTAGE AND EVERYTHING. UM, WE DO NOT GET PEOPLE SHOWING UP TO OUR MEETINGS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO GET. WE ADVERTISE THE MEETINGS, WE PRE REPRODUCE AN AGENDA, ET CETERA. AND SO THE PARTICIPATION FROM THE RESIDENTS OF THE FARMS IS VERY POOR. NOW, WHEN YOU DON'T PUSH THE SNOW AND WHEN YOU DON'T MAINTAIN THE ROAD AND YOU SCHEDULE A FEE INCREASE, THEN PEOPLE WILL COME OUT. OKAY. SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I WOULD HAVE LOVED TO, BUT HOW DO WE DO THAT? I MEAN, WE, WE HAD A MEETING, IT WAS POSTED, THE AGENDA WAS POSTED, ET CETERA. SO, UM, WE SEND A NEWSLETTER OUT ONCE A YEAR BECAUSE OF THE EXPENSE OF DOING THAT. SO WE RUN A PRETTY FRUGAL OPERATION DOWN THERE. SO YOU POSTED AN ADVERTISE THIS MEETING. AND SO YOU HAVE FOLKS SHOWING UP, WHICH IS A GOOD THING. I WISH WE HAD THE SAME PARTICIPATION AT OUR MEETINGS. JUST BEAR IN MIND THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE FROM OUR DISTRICT. YEAH. RIGHT. SHENDRO FARMS IS IN THE SHENANDOAH DISTRICT. SO YOU'VE BEEN AT OUR MEETINGS. YOU SEE THE PARTICIPATION OF SIR. A LOT OF TIMES I'VE BEEN THERE AND I'VE BEEN THE ONLY ONE OUTSIDE OF THE GROUP. UM, AND TO BE HONEST WITH YA, UM, IT'S BEEN THAT WAY SINCE, BEFORE I JOINED THE BOARD, WE HAD ONE MEETING BECAUSE OF A BIG FEE INCREASE. AND, UH, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AT THE TIME TOLD PLSS TO GO BACK AND REGROUP WITH THEIR PEOPLE. AND SO THEY, WE DID, UH, I WASN'T ON THEN I WAS IN THE AUDIENCE THAT THE ROOM WAS FULL AND THEN A MINI RIOT BROKE OUT AND STATE POLICE HAD TO COME IN. SO, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPEN. WELL, WE'VE COME A LONG WAY SINCE THEN. AND THE FARMS HAS COME A LONG WAY, AND WE'VE BEEN PART OF THAT, THAT GROWTH. WE'D BEEN PART OF THE SOLUTION TO THE FARMS PROBLEM. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. PROBABLY CIRCLE BACK TO YOU, BUT WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON, UM, [B. The Legal Framework – Caitlin Jordan] THE LEGAL FRAMEWORK MRS. JORDAN. AND I WILL SAY THAT WE WILL NOT BE VOTING ON ANYTHING TONIGHT. THIS IS ALL INFORMATIONAL. SO AFTER TONIGHT, THERE'LL BE MUCH MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR, BOARD MEMBERS. UM, I'M JUST BRIEFLY GOING TO PROVIDE INFORMATION TO THE BOARD REGARDING THE MANAGEMENT CONTRACT THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN PLACE. UM, THE TERMS REGARDING TERMINATION. AND THEN THERE'S BEEN A SPECIFIC QUESTION REGARDING PARTICULAR LOTS THAT THE COUNTY OWNS IS HOW I'M GOING TO ADDRESS THAT QUESTION AS WELL, INTO APRIL 5TH, 2011, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND THE PROPERTY OWNERS, UM, UH, SHADOW FARMS ENTERED INTO A MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT. AND IT OUTLINED, UM, SEVERAL TERMS, UM, THE MOST IMPORTANT TO NOTE AS THE ONE WHERE THE COUNTY ASSUMED RESPONSIBILITY FOR MAINTAINING, REPAIRING, AND OPERATION OF THE ROADS STREETS RIGHT AWAY IS IN THE DAMS WITHIN THE SANITARY DISTRICT, THE P O S F AGREED TO SERVE AS AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO THE BOARD AND TO PROVIDE UPDATES TO THE COUNTY FAIRLY REGULARLY. THE P O S F ALSO AGREED TO SUBMIT AN ANNUAL BUDGET TO THE BOARD BY JANUARY 1ST FOR THANK YOU. THEY CAN'T HEAR YOU. THEY'RE TRYING TO, UM, HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. AND I THINK THAT IS THE MICROPHONE NOT WORKING. YEAH. OKAY. I'LL USUALLY VOICE. I CAN DO THAT. UM, SO THE POS, UM, UH, GREAT TO PREPARE AND SUBMIT AN ANNUAL BUDGET TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO CON TO CONSIDER FOR EACH YEAR. AND ONCE A YEAR, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WOULD HOLD A PUBLIC [00:40:01] HEARING TO PRESCRIBE AND FIX THE S THE TAX RATE AS Y'ALL ARE VERY WELL AWARE OF. UM, AND THE COUNTY WOULD MAKE FUNDS AVAILABLE TO THE POS F TO MAINTAIN REPAIR AND OPERATE THE COMMUNITY CENTER AND THE RECREATION AREAS, WHICH I BELIEVE IS THE REFERENCE MR. RINALDI MADE TO THE $85,000 THAT THEY RECEIVE EACH BUDGET CYCLE. UM, AND THAT THE, THE POS OF F AGREED THAT THEY WOULD SUBMIT TO AN ANNUAL AUDIT. AND SO THIS MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT HAS BEEN IN PLACE SINCE, UH, APRIL 5TH, 2011. UH, THERE IS A CLAUSE IN THERE. UM, IT'S ON PAGE 10, PARAGRAPH 28 THAT SAYS THAT THE MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT WOULD CONTINUE ANNUALLY. UM, UH, LESS EITHER THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OR THE POS F SUBMITTED IN WRITING A NOTICE OF TERMINATION. AND THAT TERMINATION WOULD TAKE PLACE IN 90 DAYS. AND, UM, MS. RINALDI, AS CHAIRMAN OF THE POS APP, DID SUBMIT THAT IN WRITING TO THIS BOARD, UM, AT THE BEGINNING OF MARCH. AND SO THAT, THAT TRIGGERED THE 90 DAYS, AND THAT IS SET TO EXPIRE GENE 31ST, SO 2022. SO UNTIL THAT TIME, THIS MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT WILL REMAIN IN PLACE UNTIL THAT TERMINATION CYCLE ENDS IN REGARDS TO THE REAL PROPERTY. THERE HAS BEEN A QUESTION, UM, POSED REGARDING THE, UM, THE VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT. THIS IS A MAP, AND AS YOU'LL SEE, UM, THE PINKISH LOTS ARE OWNED BY THE COUNTY. UM, IT WAS GIVEN TO US THROUGH A DEED OF GIFT. I BELIEVE I HAVE IT HERE IN 2014, AND WE MAINTAIN OWNERSHIP OF THOSE LOTS. AND THEN THE WATTS ABOVE THAT AND THE GREEN, THOSE ARE, UM, LAWS THAT ARE CURRENTLY OWNED BY THE POS F AND THAT CONTAINS THEIR, UM, OFFICE, THE BUILDING THAT CONTAINS THEIR OFFICE RIGHT NOW. THIS IS WHERE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS RIGHT NOW. WHEN YOU GO OUT TO VISIT THIS OVER HERE IS WHERE THEY HAVE BEEN THE OLD BUILDING, WHICH THEY MOVED OUT OVER HERE. CAN WE BE RESET? THERE'S LOTS WERE ORIGINALLY LOCATED WITHIN CLARK COUNTY, BUT WE SINCE THEN DONE A BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT. SO THEY ARE CURRENTLY IN WARREN COUNTY, I BELIEVE SO. YES. AND THAT IS ALL I HAVE FOR THE BOARD THIS EVENING. DO YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER. WE WILL BE CLEAN. WE'LL BE HAVING A CEMETERY METAIRIE DISTRICT, UH, 1 0 1 WITH MRS. LOGAN AND NEXT WEEK'S WORK SESSION. AND THIS IS JORDAN WE'LL, THEN BE TALKING ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL STEPS IN THE PROCESS OF ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. SO WE CAN WRITE OUR QUESTIONS DOWN AND GET THEM ANSWERED NEXT WEEK. YES, YOUR HONOR, YOUR HONOR. I'M SORRY. I'M SO USED TO BEING IN A COURTROOM. MADAM CHAIR SEEMS WEIRD ENOUGH, YOUR HONOR. REALLY WOO. BUT IF AFTER TONIGHT, ALL THE INFORMATION YOU GATHER, IF YOU DO HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT YOU WON'T ADDRESS NASA NEXT WEEK, IF YOU COULD JUST LET ME KNOW, SO I CAN TRY TO GET THAT ANSWER FOR YOU BEFORE NEXT TUESDAY. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. AND THE SAME WOULD GO FOR THE POS F BOARD EMAIL YOU, IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AS WELL, THAT WOULD BE FINE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. UM, [C. The Operating Transfer – Mike Berry/Jane Meadows] OPERATING TRANSFER, UM, MR. BARRY AND MS. MEADOWS, JANE'S HERE FOR MORAL SUPPORT, UM, A CASE, UH, YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT I CAN'T ANSWER. UM, GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR, BOARD MEMBERS, I'M GOING TO BE, I LOST THE THICKER. CAITLIN. DID YOU TAKE IT? I'M GOING TO BE BASICALLY DISCUSSING THE TRANSITION AS IF IT WOULD HAPPEN. UM, SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS WERE IN REGARDS TO PUBLIC WORKS CURRENTLY AND HOW IT WOULD CHANGE, UM, WITH THIS TRANSITION. UM, CURRENTLY OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT HAS 48 STAFF, INCLUDING THOSE MEMBERS THAT, YOU KNOW, FARM SANITARY DISTRICT, WHICH AS YOU NEVER PAID OUT OF THEIR BUDGET, UM, I'M NOT BREAKING THIS DOWN ENTIRELY, BUT JUST KIND OF SHOW YOU THE SANITARY DISTRICT LEVEL, UM, AS MENTIONED, UM, AND I'VE HIGHLIGHTED THE, THE SHANANDOAH FARM SANITARY DISTRICT. WE HAVE TWO QUITMAN OPERATORS AND A FOREMAN. MR. KOHLFELD OF COURSE IS A SANITARY DISTRICT MANAGER. I'M THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, UM, JUST A BREAKDOWN OF PUBLIC WORK, SANITARY DISTRICTS AND CHATEAU FARMS. AGAIN, WE HAVE ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT ON THE PUBLIC WORK SANITARY DISTRICT BUDGET. UM, ON THE SHINDO [00:45:01] FARM SIDE, WE CURRENTLY HAVE ONE FULL-TIME SANITARY DISTRICT FOREMAN AND TWO EQUIPMENT OPERATORS THAT ARE COUNTY EMPLOYEES. THIS IS JUST ANOTHER AWARD CHART JUST TO SHOW YOU THE FLOW. SO IN THE TRANSFER OF POSITIONS AND DUTIES, UM, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THIS GOES FORTH WOULD BE A TRANSFER OF THREE FULL TIME POSITIONS. AS MR. MENOTTI MENTIONED FROM WARREN COUNTY, UM, OFF OF OUR ROSTER, BASICALLY TO OSF EMPLOYMENT, UM, THE FOREMAN AND THE TWO EQUIPMENT OPERATORS ESSENTIALLY WOULD MOVE TO POS F EMPLOYMENT. ADDITIONALLY, UM, THE TRANSFER OF OPERATIONAL DUTIES AS YOU'VE DISCUSSED THE MANAGEMENT, MS. COOK MENTIONED, I USE THE TERM MANAGED AND NON-MANAGED TO TRY TO CLARIFY THEY WOULD MOVE FROM BEING MANAGED ON THE MAINTENANCE SIDE TO NON-MANAGED. SO THE REPORTING MAINTENANCE ACTIVITIES, DAM INSPECTIONS, AND MAINTENANCE, INTERNAL PROJECTS, AND PROJECT MANAGEMENT AND ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTIONS WOULD BE MOVED FROM THE COUNTY TO THE PSF, JULY 1ST, 2022. THIS IS WHAT OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT WOULD LOOK LIKE WITHOUT THE SHADOW FARM SANITARY DISTRICT STAFF. UM, IN, IN THIS WE'D BE AT OUR PROPOSED BUDGET OF 46, UH, STAFF MEMBERS. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? YES, MA'AM SORRY. SO WE'RE JUST, YOU KNOW, GATHER THAT THE CURRENT STAFFING LEVEL IS 48. AND IF WE MAKE THE THREE TRANSFERRED TO THE, UM, POS THAT WERE OUR STAFFING LEVELS GOING TO BE REDUCED TO 46, I HAVE ONE NEW POSITION IN THE BUDGET AT THE AIRPORT FROM A JULY ONE BUDGET THAT WILL BE A PUBLIC WORKS EMPLOYEE. OKAY. THAT'S THAT'S FOR ANOTHER DISCUSSION. SO, ANYWAY, SO I'M LOOKING HERE, SO WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE A PUBLIC WORKS FOR A MAN AND OFF AND EQUIPMENT OPERATORS. YES MA'AM. OKAY. WHAT, I'M CONFUSED. OKAY. GIVE ME THE ME TO BACK UP. NO, NO, I I'M JUST LIKE, WE GOT THREE POSITIONS THAT W THAT WE MAY TRANSFER, WHICH WOULD BE THE, UM, NO FARMS. RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. AND IT WOULD BE AN EQUIPMENT OPERATOR, TWO EQUIPMENT OPERATORS AND ONE FOR MEN. AND THEN I LOOK AT THE ANTICIPATED. I STILL SEE, WE STILL HAVE A FORMAT AND WE STILL HAVE EQUIPMENT. SO WHAT ARE WE GOING TO REPLACE THEM BACK UP TWO SLIDES? ARE WE GOING TO REPLACE THEM OR THESE? NO, MA'AM WE, WE, THE ONLY SANITARY DISTRICT THAT HAS DEDICATED THEIR OWN DEDICATED STAFF IS SHENANDOAH FARMS. THAT'S CORRECT. AND THAT'S WITHIN THEIR BUDGET. THE PUBLIC WORKS FOREMAN AND THE OTHER EQUIPMENT OPERATORS, THEY WORK IN THE OTHER FIVE DISTRICTS THAT WE MANAGE. THEY ALSO WORK IN COUNTY PROJECTS. I'M CURRENTLY WORKING ON THE AZTEC SHELTER WITH PARKS AND REC. SO THESE COULD ENCOMPASS ALL OF THESE SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT, ALL OF IT, IT'S ALL ENCOMPASSING. I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE CONFUSION, YOU SAID PUBLIC WORKS. AND WE WERE THINKING, WELL, OUR, OUR DEPARTMENT IS ONE DEPARTMENT. SO THIS IS PUBLIC, ALL OF THAT. ONE MORE SLIDE. SO ON WHAT BACKS? ONE MORE. THAT ONE. YEP. SO ON THE ONE SIDE HERE, YOU SEE THE SANITARY DISTRICTS THAT WORK IN ALL THE OTHER DISTRICTS, THE ONES WHICH WE MANAGE, AND THAT CREW CONTINUES IN THE 46 THAT YOU SEE AT THE END, THE THREE THAT ARE OVER ON THE SHANANDOAH FARM SIDE, THEY GO AWAY. SO WHERE IN THE BUDGET? WHAT ACCOUNT CODE ARE THESE THERE? THE REMAINING PUBLIC WORKS FOR A MINUTE EQUIPMENT OPERATOR. RIGHT. BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK, LET'S SEE, WHEN I LOOK AT THE 4, 4, 1 0 1, RIGHT? OKAY. THAT'S, THAT'S THE OVERCOMING ONE. THAT'S WHERE YOU WERE THERE AND MICHAEL, AND THESE, THESE THREE. RIGHT. OKAY. SO THEN I GO TO 4,350 AND I SEE, OF COURSE MICHAEL'S THERE AND THEN THE OTHER, UH, TWO OR THREE POSITIONS. AND THEN WHEN I LOOK AT THE OTHER SANITARY DISTRICTS, THEY THERE'S NO RESOURCES THERE. SO MY QUESTION IS, ARE THESE OTHER, THESE OTHER THREE THAT WE'RE LOOKING THAT ARE REMAINING ARE REALLY COMING FROM A DIFFERENT ACCOUNT CODE OTHER THAN SANITARY DISTRICTS? NO, MA'AM OKAY. ALL RIGHT, MICHAEL, UM, MICHAEL'S TOM, UH, MR. RENALDI MENTIONED HIRING A SANITARY DISTRICT MANAGER. [00:50:01] SO MICHAEL CURRENTLY CHARGES ANY TIME THAT HE SPENDS IN SHANANDOAH FARMS, LIKE FROM ROYAL LYNDON HEIGHTS, WILDCAT DRIVE OFFSPRING LANE, HIS TIME, AND EACH OF THESE MEN'S TIME ARE BILLED TO THE SANITARY DISTRICT. AND THE EQUIPMENT TIME IS BILLED TO THE SANITARY DISTRICT. SO WITH SHADOW FARMS, THEY HAVE EMPLOYEES DEDICATED TO THEIR BUDGET OTHER THAN MICHAEL WHO BUILDS THEM FOR HIS TIME HOURLY. OKAY. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE A LITTLE BIT, BUT I WON'T TAKE UP THE TIME HERE WE CAN TALK AFTERWARDS. SO THEN YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE PUBLIC WORKS REVENUE TO OFFSET THE COST OF THOSE PLACE FOR THIS OTHER DISTRICTS. SO THEY DON'T HAVE A DEDICATED PERSONNEL. YEAH. OKAY. WELL, I UNDERSTAND THE THOUGHT PROCESS IS THIS, WHEN I LOOK AT THE DATA, IT'S WHERE I GET CONFUSED. SO WE'LL JUST STOP. GO AHEAD. ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT? ALL RIGHT. UM, NEXT WOULD BE, UM, EQUIPMENT TRANSFER AND THEN ALSO PUT SNOW CONTRACT. CAUSE I KNOW THAT WAS ANOTHER QUESTION THAT WE HAD, UM, TRUCKS. UM, WE WOULD NEED TO TRANSFER THE TRUCK TAGS AND TITLES. UM, THE VEHICLES LISTED ARE ALL OWNED BY THE SANITARY DISTRICT. UM, THE JEEP CHEROKEE IS THE ONLY VEHICLE THAT'S CURRENTLY OUT THERE THAT IS A COUNTY VEHICLE THAT'S OWNED BY THE COUNTY. OF COURSE, THE PSF F WOULD THE, THE GET THE INSURANCE AS MR. MENOTTI SAID, UM, THE HEAVY EQUIPMENT. UM, THEY OWN ALL OF THE HEAVY EQUIPMENT CURRENTLY AND THEY HAVE TWO TRACTORS, UH, KNEW THEY WERE BACK HOME, THE OLDER BACK ON A MOTOR GRADER. UM, THE SANITARY DISTRICT HAS PAID FOR ALL OF THAT EQUIPMENT. AGAIN, THEY WOULD NEED TO ACQUIRE INSURANCE AND WE WOULD DROP IT FROM BAY CORE AND SNOW EQUIPMENT AND IMPLEMENT IMPLEMENTS OUT THERE, ALL OF THEIR SNOWPLOWS, THE, THE SPREADERS SCRAPERS, UM, EVERYTHING USED FOR SNOW. OTHER THAN THAT, UM, V PLOW UP TOP WAS PURCHASED WITH SANITARY DISTRICT FUNDS. UM, SO WE'VE, WE'VE STARTED DOING THE INVENTORY, UM, SANITARY DISTRICT MANAGER AND FOREMAN WORKED ON INVENTORY AND ALL THE EQUIPMENT TOGETHER. AND WE HAVE SOME MISCELLANEOUS EQUIPMENT. UM, WE HAVE TWO ITEMS ON THERE, USE SOME BUCKETS, ET CETERA. UM, WE DO HAVE, I THINK THEY ALREADY MOVED IT BACK TO A PARKS AND REC. WE WERE USING A THOUSAND GALLON WATER TANK OUT THERE AND THE JOHN DEERE BRUSH CHIPPER IS COUNTY PROPERTY, SNOW CONTRACT. UM, YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY WE SIGN UP SHINDO FARMS AS EQUIPMENT IN THE COUNTY EQUIPMENT. UM, IF POS EPILEPSY CONTINUE THAT THEY WOULD NEED TO SIGN UP WITH, BE THAT THEMSELVES AND THEY SHOULD CONTACT IF WE TRANSFER EVERYTHING, THEY SHOULD DO THE TRANSFER, ANY QUESTIONS ON THE EQUIPMENT. ALL RIGHT. SO I THINK I'M STEPPING BACK FOR A MINUTE, UNLESS YOU WANT ME TO KEEP GOING. I HAVE ONE QUESTION. THIS INVENTORY IS, IT HAS BEEN COORDINATED WITH THE SHANNON. UM, SHE HAD A SHANIDAR FARMS VOA. DO THEY AGREE WITH THIS LIST OF EQUIPMENT THAT YOU JUST PRESENTED? WELL, WE'LL GIVE THEM A COPY IF WE GET TO THAT LEVEL AND IF THEY HAVE ANY CHANGES OR ADDITIONS, I'LL GET WITH MR. NAUGHTY. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE A FEW HAND TOOLS OR SOMETHING. WE DIDN'T GET THAT NITTY GRITTY, BUT YOU KNOW, THE BIG STUFF I THINK IS PRETTY, PRETTY EASY. YEAH. AND WE DO HAVE, YOU KNOW, UM, IN, IN FINANCE, I MEAN, I HAVEN'T BEEN IN THEIR EQUIPMENT INVENTORY FOR A WHILE, BUT TYPICALLY THEY HAVE THE SHADOW FARMS EQUIPMENT SUB-CATEGORIZED WITH THAT LABEL AS WELL. I JUST, YOU KNOW, LITTLE PROACTIVE, THAT'S ALL. CAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF THIS GOES THROUGH, I DON'T WANT TO SEE PEOPLE COMING BACK AND SAYING, OH, WELL, WE MISSED THIS. YOU KNOW, SO YEAH. YEAH. I UNDERSTAND. WELL, I THINK, I MEAN, IT'S EASY TO COUNT THE BIG STUFF AND THE TRUCKS. UM, YEAH, YEAH. BUT IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, I THINK WE CAN WORK IT OUT. I MEAN THE OLD JEEP, I'D BE GLAD TO LET YOU GIVE IT TO HIM. UM, HONESTLY. OKAY. [E. Status of the Shenandoah Farms Sanitary District Capital Improvement Plan – Mike Berry] SO WE'RE MOVING UP ON THE AGENDA, JUST A HAIR AND I THINK, UH, MISS OATS GOT INTO THIS A LITTLE BIT, SO GOOD TIMING. I'M JUST GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE CIP A LITTLE BIT, UM, SHADOW FARMS AND I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE CIP, BUT THIS IS JUST A PICTURE OF THE FRONT PAGE. UM, THE MOST RECENT ONE THAT HAD BEEN DONE WAS FOR 2021, WE HAVEN'T ADDED ANY NEW V THAT PROJECT SINCE THAT TIME. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE THE TOTAL COSTS OVER AUDITION PROJECTS, REVENUE SHARING IS, YOU KNOW, OVER SIX AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS. UM, THE FARM'S ESTIMATED CHAIR, YOU KNOW, 1.9, UM, ALL THE OTHER PROJECTS, WHEN YOU SEE THAT, THAT STANDS INTERNAL PROJECTS THAT WERE MENTIONED THE $790,875. THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE DONE INTERNALLY. THERE'S NO COUNTY FUNDING INVOLVED IN THOSE INTERNAL PROJECTS AND I'M GOING TO, I THINK, GET TO YOUR QUESTIONS. [00:55:01] UM, SO IT'S, IT'S A PRETTY BIG PLAN. UM, MR. RINALDO WAS TALKING ABOUT UPDATING IT IN THE FUTURE IF THE TRANSITION TAKES PLACE, UM, THIS IS JUST A, THIS IS A DOCUMENT. I KNOW YOU GUYS, DON'T LIKE ALL THESE DOCUMENTS IN V THAT AT TIMES, BUT THIS IS A DOCUMENT THAT WE WORK OFF OF THAT IS CONSISTENTLY UPDATED. AND I WAS TRYING TO JUST GIVE YOU A LITTLE PICTURE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, AND I THINK MY NAME IS ON TAGGED ON MOST OF THOSE MICHAEL WAS DOING MOST OF THE WORK AT THIS POINT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE DOING LOCAL LOCALLY ADMINISTERED PROJECTS FOR RURAL ADDITIONS IN REVENUE SHARING PROJECTS, UM, WHEN THEY WERE APPLIED FOR, UM, WE ASKED TO ADMINISTER THEM OURSELVES. SO WE, UM, ACT AS THE ADMINISTRATORS OF THIS PROJECTS AND DEAL DIRECTLY WITH V DOT. UM, THEY LET US KNOW WHEN WE SEE THE RED, THAT'S NOT A GOOD THING THAT MEANS WE'RE GETTING BEHIND ON SCOPING OR BUDGET, ET CETERA. UM, WE HAVE SEVERAL PROJECTS GOING OLD OAK FOR IS, UM, IS MR. BERNALI MENTIONED THE IT'S REALLY WENT UP IN BUDGET AND, UH, I'VE SHARED A FEW NUMBERS. UM, I'LL JUST GO ALONG, IF YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, JUST STOP ME. UM, YOU KNOW, THIS, THE, THE, UM, NUMBERS IN THE CIP, UM, THIS IS WHAT THE BOARD APPROVED IN 2021. AND THIS IS JUST TO SHOW YOU WHAT ODO PLAIN LOOKED LIKE PHASE FOUR, UM, AND YOU CAN LOOK AT THE TOTAL COST AND THEN I'LL SHOW YOU WHAT OUR ESTIMATED IS. UM, BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, A PRETTY MAJOR PROJECT YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE, YOU HAVE FOUR BOX CULVERTS AND IN ALL THE 4 0 5 IS POTENTIALLY A TWO MORE, UM, IN, IN THE SCOPE AND SCALE OF THIS PROJECT IS QUITE INTENSE. AND, AND WITH THE CURRENT INFLATION, AS WE GET NEAR THE FINAL COMMENTS WITH V THAT, AND WE SEE PRICES, UM, WE KNOW WE'RE HALF A MILLION TO $600,000. WE'RE GOING TO BE OVER THAT BUDGET THAT WAS APPROVED BY BE THAT, SO THIS, THIS DOCUMENT, UM, IS KIND OF SHOWING YOU THE PRE COVID COST, UM, ON OH FOUR. AND I'M JUST GOING TO USE THAT AS AN EXAMPLE, CAUSE THAT'S THE ONE WE'RE MOST INVOLVED IN. UM, AND, AND IF YOU CAN, UH, THAT'S HARD TO SEE OVER HERE, BUT 9 98, 2 50 SHOWING YOU WHAT V DOT HAS AUTHORIZED AND APPROVED AND WHAT THE INITIAL CIP WAS. AND BASED ON OUR 2022 COST, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT NEARLY $600,000 ON THE, ON THE CONSTRUCTION SIDE OF OVERAGE. SO, UM, PHASE FIVE, WE FEEL IT WILL BE VERY SIMILAR IN NATURE. THE OTHER, WE JUST USE KIND OF A, I THINK DR. DAILY, I FIGURE WHAT PERCENTAGE WE USE, BUT, UM, ON THAT 40, 40% INCREASE, UM, FOR LOOKING AT THE OTHER, SOME OF THE OTHERS AREN'T QUITE AS INTENSE. SO THAT ESTIMATE MIGHT NOT BE QUITE THAT HIGH, BUT ALSO AS MENTIONED WITH COVID, WE'VE SEEN THE PROJECT SLOWED DOWN, UM, V THAT STOPPED FUNDING. THEY PUT THEM ON HOLD, THEY MOVED THEM OUT A COUPLE OF YEARS. UM, SO WITH THE CURRENT ECONOMY, YOU KNOW, I I'D SAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO GUESS AT SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS, BUT WE KNOW WE'RE LOOKING AT A MAJOR SHORTFALL INTERRUPT FOR JUST A SECOND, SIR. SO THOSE PROJECTS, THOSE THREE PROJECTS, TOTAL $2.6 MILLION, ACCORDING TO THIS ESTIMATE. SO THAT $2.6 MILLION IS WHAT YOU PUT IN YOUR BUDGET LAST YEAR. THE 2.6 MILLION INCLUDES 13, 1.3 MILLION FROM IN REVENUE, 650,000 FROM THE FARMS IN REVENUE AND 650,000 FROM THE COUNTY IN REVENUE. SO THAT IN YOUR CAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE BUDGET. YOU HAVE TO HAVE A BUDGET AMOUNT TO BE ABLE TO EXPEND THE MONEY. AND THE ANTICIPATION THIS TIME LAST YEAR WAS THAT V DOT WAS GOING TO MOVE FASTER WITH THESE PROJECTS. SO ALL OF THAT WAS BUDGETED, BUT IT IS NOT ALL COUNTY MONEY. IT IS 650,000 FROM THE 650,000 FROM THE FARMS WE'D PAY 25%. AND 1.3 FROM V DOT, WHICH PAYS 50%. SO WHEN YOU LOOK IN YOUR BUDGET AND YOU SEE $2.6 MILLION, THE COUNTY DOES NOT HAVE $2.6 MILLION. THEY HAVE $650,000, 650,000. AND THE ACCOUNTS RECEIVABLE FROM SHENANDOAH FARMS, AND 1.3 MILLION RECEIVABLE FROM V DOT IF THE PROJECTS [01:00:01] PROCEED. SO I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO LEAVE HERE THINKING THAT THE COUNTY HAS TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS FOR ROADS IN SHENANDOAH FARMS. THEY DO NOT. SO WE'LL THE $650,000 CONTRIBUTION FROM THE COUNTY TAXPAYERS GET ROLLED BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND. YES MA'AM. OKAY. FAIR ENOUGH. THAT MAKES SENSE. SO, AND IN SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WENT TO BEAT MICHAEL COUGH. NAH, WE MET WITH VIVA, I THINK TWO WEEKS AGO, JUST TO SEE IF THERE WERE OTHER OPTIONS VIA THAT USED TO ALLOW YOU TO MOVE MONIES FROM ONE PROJECT TO THE OTHER. UM, THEY MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT WE COULD NOT MOVE. THEY WOULDN'T PROVIDE ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR THE CURRENT PROJECT. IT WAS ALREADY SET. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL FUNDING. I HAVE A NOTE THERE YOU COULD, REAPPLY REAPPLICATION WOULD MEAN YOU COULDN'T IT'S ONE OF THE ODD YEARS SHE WOULD HAVE TO APPLY NEXT YEAR. YOUR FUNDING WOULDN'T COME UNTIL 24 AT THE EARLIEST. AND THAT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO CTB APPROVAL, THE TRANSPORTATION BOARD. SO I'M NOT REALLY AN OPTION OR WERE DELAYED AGAIN, NUMBER TWO, THEY USED TO ALLOW YOU TO MOVE, OKAY. WERE, HEY, WE MIGHT NOT WANT TO DO YOUNG STRIVE. NOW LET'S MOVE THAT UP. BUT THEY DON'T ALLOW US TO DO THAT. AND THEY SAID, NO, YOU CANNOT MOVE FUNDING FROM ONE PROJECT TO ANOTHER. AND THEY SAYS, WELL, WE CAN, WE, CAN WE COMPLETE A PARTIAL PROJECT? COULD WE START PUTTING, MAYBE PUT IN THOSE STRUCTURES AND THEN COME BACK LATER? NO, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT TERM. AND NOW YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE SURFACE DOWN. IT HAS TO MEET A STATE ROAD AND BE READY TO BE TURNED OVER. SO THAT WAS NOT AN OPTION. SO WE DID TRY TO MEET, DISCUSS THOSE OPTIONS. UM, WE WERE GOING TO MEET ON THE CIP WITH, UH, THE PSF AND WE PUT THAT ALL FOR A WEEK BECAUSE WE WANTED TO MEET WITH V DOT CONCERNED OVER THESE COSTS AND SEE WHAT WE COULD DO. WE MET WITH THE PSF LAST WEEK, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, LET THEM KNOW THEIR COSTS. AND THEY SAID THEY HAVE TO HAVE A MEETING TO MAKE A DECISION OF THEIR BOARD. AND, AND THEY HAVE, AS MR. NATI MENTIONED, HE SENT ME AN EMAIL SAYING THAT THE BOARD HAS VOTED TO NOT COMPLETE OLD, LIKE FOUR AND OLDER FIVE PROJECTS AT THIS TIME. SO, UM, HE'S ALSO ASKED THAT, UM, WE STOP ALL ENGINEERING FOR THE REVENUE SHARING ROLE ADDITIONS AT THIS TIME. SO, OR THE, THE PSF HAS REQUESTED SUCH. SO I HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T OFFICIALLY, AND I WILL GET TO THAT ON THE COUNTY SIDE, BUT WE HAVEN'T OFFICIALLY SAID THAT THAT HAS TO COME FROM DR. DALEY, UM, THE STOP IT TOTALLY AND SEND A LETTER, BUT I'VE ASKED HIM TO NOT TO DO ANYTHING ELSE AND SPOKE WITH THE ENGINEER, UM, AND THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR THIS PROJECT. ADDITIONALLY, THE, UM, EXTERNAL ENGINEERS THAT WE USE WITH DANONE, YOU KNOW, PUT THEIR BRAKES ON HIM ALSO, HEY, DON'T DO ANY MORE WORK AT THIS TIME. LET'S SIT STILL OUR INTERNAL SANITARY DISTRICT PROJECTS AT THIS TIME ARE PLACED ON HOLD. UM, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING THERE UNTIL AFTER JULY ONE, IF THAT'S WHEN THE TRANSITION, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING FLOWS THROUGH THAT'S WHEN WE WOULD TURN EVERYTHING OVER AND WE WON'T DO ANY INTERNAL PROJECTS THIS SPRING AND SUMMER IN THE FARMS, OR UNTIL A DECISION IS MADE. SO THIS IS A HUGE FINANCIAL IMPACT TO THE PEOPLE AND, UM, SHINDO FARMS BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO LOSE THE VITA FUNDING AND THE, THE COUNTY MATCH BECAUSE THE REVENUE SHARING PROGRAMS HAVE. SO BASICALLY IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THE INFLUENCING FACTORS HERE ARE A, UH, INFLATIONARY INCREASE IN THE COST OF THE, THE ABILITY TO DO THE PROJECTS. THAT'S, WHAT'S REALLY THE DRIVER IN THIS DECISION. AND SO YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT BACK IN ORDER TO, YOU'RE GOING TO TRY TO DO IT YOURSELF FOR LESS MONEY. IS THAT BASICALLY THE PLAN? YEAH, LIKE, I MEAN, UH, I THINK MR. CAULFIELD HAD AN ESTIMATE ON, I THINK IT WAS THREE MILES. IT WAS A 3.1. AND WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT? 200, 300,000, YOU KNOW, FOR THE SURFACE TREATMENT. YES. SURFACE TREATMENT. SO, AND MR. RENALY ALLUDED TO THAT EARLIER, YOU KNOW, SO, I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE SCALING DOWN FOR V THAT YOU'RE, YOU CAN'T SCALE IT DOWN THE ASPHALT ON THIS PROJECT, YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO BASE YOUR MINIMUM WAS TAR AND CHIP. WELL, WE'LL HAVE TO TAKE THAT TO ANOTHER CONVERSATION TOO, BECAUSE I'VE, THE DISTRICT HAS MADE IT CLEAR TO ME. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO ACCEPT ROADS. UM, WELL, UNLESS WE ARE VERY, VERY STRICT DECISION, NOT AS A DISTRICT, THE DISTRICT DECISION, AND THERE ARE MINIMUM STANDARDS DEPENDING ON YOUR ADTS, YOUR, YOUR TRAFFIC COUNTS. SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A VERY LOW TRAFFIC COUNT, THESE ROADS ARE NOT GOING TO BE A VERY LOW TRAFFIC COUNT. UM, FOR V THAT, I MEAN, IF YOU HAD 10 CARS ON THE ROAD, [01:05:01] BUT I'M NOT GONNA FIGHT THAT BATTLE, I'LL LET THEM KNOW. NO, I WAS GOING TO SAY, AND UNLESS THAT'S CHANGED SINCE I HAD THE LAST CONVERSATION, STATE MINIMUM, I DIDN'T HEAR THE TRAFFIC COUNT WAS INVOLVED IN THAT THAT STATE MINIMUM TO ACCEPT WAS TAR AND CHIP. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO ACCEPT IT. UM, AND THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER CONVERSATION, BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO ACCEPT THAT ON THESE ROADS. I CAN TELL YOU, CAUSE WE'VE ALREADY AND WANT COMPLETE ASPHALT ON THESE ROADS, WHICH IS FAR MORE COSTLY THAN CHART THEN HARDSHIP. YES. OKAY. BUSTER CARTER, IF YOU HERE NEXT WEEK, IF YOU BUILD A NEW SUBDIVISION, IF YOU'RE NOT IN, IF YOU'RE NOT IN A SANITARY DISTRICT OR PART OF THE COUNTY, AND YOU BUILD A SUBDIVISION, IF THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE IT INTO THEIR SYSTEM, AND THEY'RE GOING TO ASK YOU TO PUT ASPHALT DOWN AND THAT DISTRICT, I GUESS IT GOT TOO EXPENSIVE FOR THEM TO ASPHALT THEM AFTER THAT PEOPLE TARRED AND SHIP THEM. THAT'S JUST THE LOGICAL CONCLUSION. SO YEAH, SO VIA, IT'S DECIDED IT'S MORE THAN THEY WANT TO DEAL WITH. SO THEY'LL PUT THE ONUS ON US TO, TO DO THE WORK THAT MAKES, I UNDERSTAND ALL RIGHT, I'LL LEAVE THAT ONE FOR LATER. SO ADDITIONALLY, UM, V THAT RURAL DISH AND REVENUE SHARING PROJECTS, WE DO HAVE TO BE AWARE. WE DO HAVE OTHER PROJECTS ON THE LIST THAT ARE NOT FULLY FUNDED YET, BUT AS I MENTIONED, COVID BACKED THEM UP AND IN COMMUNICATIONS WITH MY ENGINEER AND PROJECT MANAGER, YOU KNOW, AGAIN UNTIL THE STATE BUDGET IS FINAL, WE WON'T KNOW, BUT THE CTB COULD, DEPENDING ON THE BUDGET AND MOVE SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS BACK UP ON THE LIST. SO WE, WE MAY HAVE TO MAKE A DETERMINATION IN THE FARMS WHEN SOME OF THE OTHER PROJECTS, UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE TRIED TO TOUCH BASE WITH HER OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS, JUST TO SEE WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT AND WHAT WE COULD BE POTENTIALLY FACING IN REGARDS TO TIME SCHEDULES. DO YOU EXPECT ANYTHING LESS? NO. GOOD. NO, SIR. UM, CURRENT COST TO CANCELING THESE PROJECTS, BUT BASED ON THE KNOWN COST IS $53,586. PLUS WE HAVE THREE ENGINEERING CHANGE ORDERS WITH PANETTONE. WE HAVE NOT BUILT, BEEN BUILT FOR YET. I SPOKE TO THE ENGINEER LAST EVENING, ANTICIPATE THOSE BEING BUILT WITHIN TWO WEEKS AND HAVING ALL THAT INFORMATION. ADDITIONALLY, I SPOKE TO A LEAD OUT AGAIN TODAY. UM, THEIR TYPICAL BILLING CYCLE ENDS MONTHLY. SO WITHIN A COUPLE OF DAYS, ANY TIME THAT THEY PUT INTO THE PROJECTS THIS MONTH SHOULD BE INPUTTED. SO, YOU KNOW, THE STUFF IN MY MARCH INFORMATION IS ALREADY BEHIND. SO I WOULD ANTICIPATE IF WE CANCELED TODAY, IT'D BE IN TWO WEEKS BEFORE I WOULD KNOW THE FINAL V DOT BILL. I WOULDN'T ANTICIPATE THAT BEING A WHOLE LOT MORE, BUT NOW IS THIS OUR COST OR IS THIS SHARED COST WITH SHANDO FARMS TO BE DETERMINED? AND THAT'S A BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DECISION. OKAY. THEN COULD I JUST CLARIFY THAT? YES, SIR. ALL OF THESE CHANGES THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE THEY'RE NOT DRIVEN BECAUSE OF THE, THE, THE CHANGE IN THE, THE WAY THE SANITARY IS GOING TO HANDLE IT'S IT'S BECAUSE OF THE, THE, THE, THE, NOT, NOT ON THE CAP, NOT ON THESE RURAL EDITION, UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE, THOSE PROJECTS. I MEAN, IF, UNLESS THE BOARD, IF THE BOARD SAID, WE WANT TO COMPLETE THESE PROJECTS AND WE WERE WILLING TO PAY ANOTHER $600,000 TO DO OLD OAK FOR, I'M SURE THAT THE POS F MIGHT SAY SURE. UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE YOUR DECISION AND YOU COULD CONTINUE ON THE COUNTY IS ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE FOR, UM, OVERSEEING THE PROJECT WHERE THE LOCAL ADMINISTERS OF THE PROJECT. SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, YEAH, I MEAN, WE COULD TAKE THIS OUT OF THE EQUATION, BUT YOUR FINANCIAL PERSON IS GOING TO SPEAK TO YOU NEXT. UM, YOU NEED TO BE AWARE OF THE COST. UM, IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO, YOU KNOW, A $2 MILLION MOVIE, YOU WANT TO BE AWARE THAT, HEY, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, $70,000 THAT YOU HAVE TO DECIDE, IF IS IT A 50 50 SPLIT OR, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED PERCENT PAID, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS WANT TO FOOT THE BILL, WHATEVER IT MAY BE, BUT REGARDLESS THE, UH, THE REASON THESE ARE BEING CANCELED IS BECAUSE OF THE CHANGE IN THE ECONOMIC CONDITIONS. IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF, YEAH, THE, THE INITIAL, IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANY CHANGE TODAY, I MEAN, OTHER THAN NEEDING TO KNOW DOLLARS AND CENTS, YOU'RE GOING TO BE OVER YOUR CONSTRUCTION. INITIAL ESTIMATE, AND TIME HAS NOT HELPED THAT. AND, AND V THAT CHANGES AND THEIR REQUIREMENTS, AND, AND THESE ARE VERY COMPLICATED. WELL, THEY'VE WENT TO THE STATE LEVEL ENRICHMENT BEYOND THE DISTRICT. UM, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S IS A MORE CONSIDERED A BRIDGE THAN AN ACTUAL BOX. UM, AND THEN WE'RE INTO HYDROLOGY, UM, YOU KNOW, ALL KINDS OF SPECS, AND I'M NOT [01:10:01] GOING TO PRETEND TO UNDERSTAND ALL OF IT BECAUSE I MEAN, THERE'S A WHOLE LOT IN THERE. UM, YOU HAVE TO REALLY RELY ON THE ENGINEERS WHEN YOU GET DEEP INTO THOSE HYDROLOGY SPECS. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PRETTY INTENSIVE PROJECTS FOR A SMALL ROAD. ANYTHING ELSE THERE, IF I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY, AND PLEASE, I APOLOGIZE IF I DON'T, BUT IF WE WANT TO DO THESE ROADS, THE STATE'S NOT GONNA DO IT UP, BUT THEY WILL UP TO A POINT, BUT IT'S GOING TO COST THEM MORE MONEY, WHICH THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO PAY. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO PONY UP. OKAY. THAT MEANS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO COME UP WITH MONEY. THAT, WHICH MEANS THAT SHENANDOAH FARMS WOULD HAVE TO COME UP WITH MONEY AND IT'S MONEY THAT NEITHER ONE OF US REALLY HAVE A, I MEAN, IT WOULD BE POTENTIALLY ANOTHER YEAR OUT FOR SHENANDOAH FARMS, TWO YEARS OUT, TWO YEARS OUT BEFORE WE COULD EVEN CONSIDER DOING IT, THEN, WHICH WOULD COST US EVEN MORE MONEY, PROBABLY. SO AM, AM I WRONG HERE, GUYS? I MEAN, I CAN SEE WHY IT'S CANCELED. I WOULD EVEN AS A WAY DOING THAT MONEY HAS A WAY OF DOING THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, SIR. [D. The Financial Transfer – Matt Robertson] UH, THE FINANCIAL TRANSFER, MR. ROBERTSON, I WANT TO GO TO VERY BRIEFLY THE FINANCIALS FOR THE SHADOW OF A FARM SO THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE AN IDEA OF AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT'S SITTING THERE. SO TO GET STARTED, THERE ARE TWO, UH, FUNDS THAT ACTUALLY HAVE MONEY IN THEM FOR THE SHANANDOAH FARM SANITARY DISTRICT. THERE IS THE SHANANDOAH FARMS FUND, AND THERE'S THE SPECIAL PROJECTS FUND. SO THE SHANANDOAH FARMS FUND IS THE FUND THAT EXISTS WHERE ALL THE MONEY COMES IN FROM THE TREASURER'S OFFICE, FROM SANITARY DISTRICT FEES AND THE, LIKE, WE PUT IT INTO THEIR FUND. IT LIVES THERE. AND THEN WHENEVER THEY HAVE EXPENSES THAT COMES OUT OF THAT FUND, WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN PREVIOUS YEARS IS WHENEVER IT WOULD GET TO THE END OF THE YEAR, THERE WOULD BE A SURPLUS OF EXTRA REVENUE THAT HAD BEEN RECEIVED THAT WOULD BEEN SAVED FOR THESE PROJECTS THAT THEY WERE SAVING FOR. WE WOULD TRANSFER THAT FUND, THAT SUM INTO THE SPECIAL PROJECTS FUND, AND THEN IT WOULD BE SAVED THERE OVER PERIODS OF TIMES IN LINE ITEMS THAT TRACKED THE PURPOSES THAT THEY WERE BEING SAVED FOR. SO THERE'S FUNDING IN THE SHADOW OF, UM, FARMS FUND THAT'S BEEN OCCURRING OVER TIME. AND THEN THERE'S THE SPECIAL PROJECTS FUND WHERE WE'VE BEEN SAVING IT OVER TIME. SO RIGHT NOW THERE'S ABOUT $2 MILLION IN THE SPECIAL PROJECTS FUND THAT'S BEEN SAVED OVER THE YEARS THAT WE'VE HAD THEM IN OUR SYSTEM AND THERE'S $680,000 AVAILABLE IN THE SHADOW OF A FARMS FUND THAT OBVIOUSLY CHANGES EVERY DAY THAT WE RECEIVE MORE TAXPAYER MONEY WHERE WE SPEND MORE MONEY. SO THAT'S ABOUT 2.7 MILLION TOTAL, GIVE YOU A QUICK THREE-YEAR OVERVIEW, JUST SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE THE MONEY'S BEEN SPENT OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS. YOU HAVE A PRETTY HEALTHY SURPLUS THROUGH THE SHENANDOAH FARMS FUND. IT WAS AS HIGH AS FOUR 50 AND FROM 2018 TO 2019, IT'S BEEN SLOWLY CREEPING BACK DOWN A LITTLE BIT, BUT THEY STILL HAVE A GOOD SURPLUS FUNDING THAT THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO SAVE BACK FOR THESE PROJECTS. THEN YOU LOOK IN THE SPECIAL PROJECTS FUND, YOU'LL SEE WHERE THEY'VE TRANSFERRED IN AND OUT MONEY. SO FROM 2020 ONWARD, THERE HAS BEEN NO TRANSFERS OUT AS WE'VE STOPPED USING THE SPECIAL PROJECTS FUND AS MUCH, BUT THERE WERE THE TRANSFERS IN OF THE SURPLUS MONEY THAT THEY HAD. AND THEN THE TRANSFER OUT THAT YOU SEE IS WHERE THEY WOULD SPEND MONEY FOR LARGER TIME PURCHASES. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLAR PLUS WHENEVER IT GETS TRANSFERRED BACK OUT INTO THEIR FUNDS SO THAT THEY CAN SPEND IT IN THEIR FUND. AGAIN, IF YOU GO THROUGH THE DETAIL OF THEIR FUND, YOU'LL SEE, IT'S BEEN PRETTY CONSISTENT OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. IT'S UP A LITTLE BIT. THIS YEAR. THE ONE LINE I DID WANT TO POINT OUT WAS THE TRANSFER TO THE COUNTY. THAT'S THE 5% ADMINISTRATIVE FEES THAT WE LOVE AS THE PEOPLE THAT TAKE IN THE TAX MONEY AND SHOVES IT BACK OUT IN THE REVENUE SIDE. THE SANITARY DISTRICT FEE IS JUST THAT SANITARY DISTRICT FEE THAT WE RECEIVE. THE NEW CONSTRUCTION FEES HAVE STAYED PRETTY CONSISTENT OVER THE YEARS, EVERYTHING CONSIDERED AN OTHER. ARE THERE OTHER REVENUES THAT THEY RECEIVE MOST NOTABLY IT'S THAT BEAT OUT MONEY THAT THEY GET FROM THE SNOW REIMBURSEMENTS. THIS IS A DETAILED VIEW OF THE SPECIAL PROJECTS FUND. SO YOU CAN SEE IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, IT HASN'T CHANGED MUCH. THESE ARE THE SIX LINE ITEMS THAT EXIST WITH SHANANDOAH FARMS, MONEY IN IT, AND THE THINGS THAT THEY WERE PUT BACK FOR. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT'S WHERE I GET THAT $2 MILLION FIGURE FROM ANY QUESTIONS AT ALL, ZERO FARMS. THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY QUESTION. DO THEY HAVE THE PRESENTATION NOW? DO THEY HAVE THIS? THEY DO NOT HAVE THE PRESENTATION. I'VE MADE A VERSION [01:15:01] OF IT FOR THEM, WHICH SAYS EVERYTHING THAT THEY HAVE IN THEIR FUND BALANCE AND EVERYTHING THAT THEY HAVE IN THEIR SPECIAL PROJECTS FOR THEM. AND I GAVE THEM A COPY OF THIS AND WHAT HE HAS TO TAKE HOME WITH HIM FOR HOMEWORK, IF NOT, I WAS GOING TO GIVE IT TO YOU AROUND. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IT'S UM, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE GOTTEN EVERYTHING LINED UP VERY EASY TO READ. APPRECIATE THAT AT [F. Public Comment Period (60 Minute Time Limit) For the public to give input on items that are on this agenda; limit of 3 minutes per speaker] THIS TIME, WE'RE UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT TIME, AND I'M GOING TO READ THE PUBLIC SPEAKING CONDUCT CODE. ALL COMMENTS WILL BE DIRECTED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, NOT TO THE AUDIENCE, BE CONSIDERATE OF YOUR FELLOW SPEAKERS. THERE SHOULD BE NO APPLAUSE, BOOING OR OTHER AUDIBLE DISRUPTIONS THROUGH A SHOW OF HANDS. THE CHAIRMAN MAY ASK FOR A SHOW OF SUPPORT FOR COMMENTS MADE BY SPEAKERS, PLACARD POSTERS, AND OTHER MEANS OF VISUAL DISPLAY OF COMMENTS WILL NOT BE PERMITTED. UM, THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE INFORMATION OR MATERIALS USED AS PART OF A FACTUAL PRESENTATION. THE BOARD WILL NOT TOLERATE PERSONAL TAX BY ANYONE ON ANY OF THE PROCEED AT PARTICIPANTS AND MRS. SHIRAKI YOU GET YOUR LIST. AND IF YOU, WHEN YOU COME UP, IF YOU WOULD SAY YOUR NAME AND, UM, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GIVE YOUR FULL ADDRESS, BUT ALWAYS FEEL A LITTLE FUNNY ABOUT THAT. HI, I'M MELISSA CHAP. YOU MIGHT WANT TO PULL IT DOWN AND I'M SURE I'LL GET . UH, I LEARNED IN THE SHENANDOAH, I FORGOT TO SAY THREE MINUTES IS THE TIME I APOLOGIZE FOR INTERRUPTING AND MRS. ROCKY WILL DIMAS. NO PROBLEM. UM, I LIVE IN THE SHENANDOAH FARM SANITARY DISTRICT, AND FIRST OF ALL, I HAVE FOR THE RECORD, A COPY OF THE EMAILS THAT I SENT AROUND. UM, I ONLY HAVE ONE COPY THAT YOU HAVE A COPY FOR EVERYBODY. AND IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO READ THEM ALL, I UNDERSTAND I'VE GOT IT. I'VE GOT A COPY OF ALL OF THEM. IF ANYBODY NEEDS THEM. I SAID, I HAVE A COPY OF ALL OF THEM BY NEEDS THEM. OH, THANK YOU. SO I ALMOST DON'T KNOW WHERE TO BEGIN BECAUSE THIS HAPPENS SO FAST. THERE WAS IN FACT, NO NOTICE GIVEN PUBLICLY OF ANY OF THIS PROCEEDING, WHICH APPARENTLY STARTED MARCH 9TH. I DON'T KNOW. UM, PULL IT JUST A LITTLE CLOSER THAN CAN HEAR YOU. AND OKAY. SO THE FIRST THAT I N ANYBODY ELSE I KNOW OF IN THE SANITARY DISTRICT LEARNED AT ANY OF THIS WITH YESTERDAY, WHEN PEOPLE STARTED CALLING AROUND, BECAUSE SOMEONE HEARD ABOUT IT, IT WAS MUCH TOO LATE TO REALLY GET TO ANY SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF PEOPLE TO INFORM THEM AND TO GET THEM TO COME HERE TO THE MEETING. PART OF THE PROBLEM. ONCE YOU GET PAST THE PROBLEM WITH NO NOTICE WAS HIGHLIGHTED EARLY ON. WHEN, WHEN MR. RINALDI WAS MAKING HIS PRESENTATION, IT BECAME CLEAR THAT THERE'S NOT EVEN A FORMAL REQUEST BEING MADE HERE. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REQUEST IS. THERE'S NOTHING IN WRITING THAT SAYS WHO IS MAKING WHAT REQUESTS AND BASED ON WHAT INFORMATION. AND YET WE HAVE ALL THESE PRESENTATIONS BEING MADE TONIGHT. AND NO ONE KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON. WHAT IS THE REQUEST THAT REQUEST HAS NOT BEEN CLARIFIED? THE ONE THING THAT WE KNOW IS THAT TERMINATION OF THE AGREEMENT THAT WAS POSTED WITH TONIGHT'S AGENDA HAS NO LEGAL EFFECT OTHER THAN TO REQUIRE PLSS TO GIVE AN ACCOUNTING AND RETURN ANY BALANCE OF FUNDS THAT WAS APPROPRIATED THAT'S IT, IT HAS NO EFFECT ON THE MANAGEMENT OF THE SANITARY DISTRICT AT ALL. THE SANITARY DISTRICT IS A LEGAL ENTITY CREATED UNDER VIRGINIA LAW. AND THE COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IS THE GOVERNING BODY THAT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR CONTRACTING OUT ALL OF THE SERVICES ON BEHALF OF THE SANITARY DISTRICT, THE CONTRACT WITH BNSF TO MANAGE SOME OF THE COMMON PROPERTIES IS THE AGREEMENT THAT HAS BEEN TERMINATED THAT THE 90 DAYS NOTICE HAS BEEN GIVEN. SO THE ONLY EFFECT OF TERMINATING THAT AGREEMENT IS THAT POS F NO LONGER MANAGES AND GETS MONEY FOR MANAGING THE COMMON PROPERTIES THAT WERE APPARENTLY LISTED THAN AN ATTACHMENT THAT WASN'T THERE. SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY FORMAL WRITTEN REQUEST [01:20:01] AT ALL, AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. AND WITH THAT, SOMEONE ELSE BEGIN TO SPEAK. THANK YOU. MA'AM SYDNEY QUINN. GOOD EVENING. HI. MY NAME IS SYDNEY QUINN. I LIVE IN, UM, SHENANDOAH FARMS. I HAVE TWO PROPERTIES THERE. I DID NOT HEAR ABOUT THE SPEEDING AND, UH, I'M OBJECTING TO THE FACT THAT I DIDN'T HEAR ABOUT IT. UH, I HAVE AN EMAIL ALSO. WE HAVE A THING CALLED NEXT DOOR, AND SOMEONE CAN SEND YOU AN EMAIL FOR FREE. THEY COULD GO ON NEXT DOOR FOR FREE. THAT REACHES A LOT OF PEOPLE. SO SAYING WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO COMMUNICATE WITH PEOPLE IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. IF WE HAVE 4,000 PEOPLE THERE WHO HAVE PROPERTY, THEY NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THIS. AND IF, IF THEY'RE GOING TO, UM, APPROVE OF THIS CHANGE, UM, ARE THEY GOING TO APPROVE TO CHANGE IT TO SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T OR SOME GROUP THAT DOESN'T COMMUNICATE WITH THEM? YOU KNOW, WE NEED, WE NEED CLARITY AND WE NEED, WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. IT'S OUR PROPERTY. WE PAID MONEY AND WE PAID, WE RAISED THE RATE OF WHAT WE WERE PAYING FOR EACH LOT, AND NOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET OUR MONEY'S WORTH. SO I THINK WE SHOULD GET OUR MONEY BACK BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET WHAT WE AGREED TO. AND THE OTHER THING THAT WOULD BE LOST WITH THIS AGREEMENT IS THE SYNERGY. IF YOU HAVE, UH, A GUY CLEARING SNOW AND HE GETS THE FLU, AND THEN THAT LEAVES ONLY TWO PEOPLE. AND IF THEY GET SICK TOO, THERE'S NOBODY TO DO IT BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THE ADVANTAGE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE WITH THE LARGER ORGANIZATION OF GETTING ANOTHER EMPLOYEE FROM THE COUNTY TO MAN, THE SNOWPLOW. SO, ANYHOW, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MA'AM JOE LONGO. MY NAME IS JOE LONGO. I LIVE ON 1 95 OLD OAK LANE AND GENITAL FARMS, UH, ON THE ROAD CHAIRMAN. AND, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON HERE. UM, THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. I ONLY HAVE THREE MINUTES OFF. THE, THE BIG THING RIGHT NOW IS THIS WHOLE REVENUE SHARING THING. WE ENTERED INTO THIS IN GOOD FAITH WITH THE DOT AND THE COUNTY. AND, UM, WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO US JUST A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO WAS SIMILAR TO SAY, IF I GO INTO A CAR DEALERSHIP AND SAY, I WANT TO BUY THIS CAR FOR $40,000. AND THEN WHEN I GET READY TO DRIVE IT OFF THE LOT, IT'S $85,000 AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TELLING US. AND SO, AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, THEY TOLD US THAT THE, THE ORIGINAL, UH, PARTNERS IN THE CONTRACT V DOT AND THE COUNTY AND US, UH, V NOT V DOT, ISN'T GOING TO PICK UP THEIR ORIGINAL 50% PART OF THEIRS. UH, AND SO WE HAVE TO BEAR THAT BURDEN ENTIRELY OURSELVES. AND WE KNOW THAT WE WENT WITH THIS CONTRACT IN MIND AND OUR CIP, OUR PLAN THAT HAS BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR 25 YEARS, THAT I KNOW OF. WE ORIGINATED THIS PLAN WHEN OUR ROADS WERE MOSTLY CREEK BEDS. SO THEY WEREN'T ROADS AT ALL. SOME OF THEM WERE TOTALLY IMPASSABLE. AND, UM, AT THAT TIME, WHEN I FIRST MOVED INTO THE FARMS, I BID ON A CONTRACT TO BE THE ORIGINAL SANITARY DISTRICT MANAGER, AND I GOT $10 AN HOUR. AND I WORKED OUT OF MY OWN TRUCK. I'LL USE MY OWN EQUIPMENT. I CLEARED ROADS. SO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT COULD PASS THROUGH AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO I'VE WALKED TO EVERY ROAD IN THE FARMS. I KNOW THEM ALL. UM, THE, THE, WHEN WE WENT TO THE COMMUNITY THREE YEARS AGO, UH, FOR THIS FEE INCREASE ON THE RESIDENT TO, I HAVE TWO LOTS, I PAY 600 SOME DOLLARS A YEAR FOR MY TWO WATTS. UH, IT W IT WAS A HARD BURDEN TO BEAR, BUT I'VE PAID THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN, UH, MAINTENANCE FEES AND STUFF ON MY CARS AND REPLACEMENT, UH, TO REPLACE MY AUTOMOBILES [01:25:01] BECAUSE OF OUR ROADS AND THE DUST AND THE MUD AND, AND ALL THAT STUFF. AND SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT MOST OF THE COMMUNITY WANTS A DRESS. THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE ROADS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO, TO BOUNCE UP AND DOWN THE ROAD, AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO EAT DUST ALL SUMMER. I'VE HAD, I HAVE TO STAY IN MY HOUSE EVERY TWO YEARS BECAUSE OF THE DUST. AND SO WE REALIZED THAT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY. AND IN OUR CONVERSATION WITH MICHAEL LAST WEEK, I ASKED FOR A COMPARISON TO DOING A ROAD, UH, ONE OF THE SMALLER JOBS. UM, CAN I FINISH THAT THOUGHT IF YOU CAN WRAP IT UP RATHER QUICKLY AS HOW MUCH AS COMPARED TO HAVING V.DO IT, AND I HAVE US DO IT, AND THE NUMBERS HE GAVE ME, UH, WHICH HE'S PRETTY CONFIDENT IN IS WE CAN DO IT BASICALLY ABOUT 10, 10 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE OUR FEES GO DOWN TOO, AND WE NEED TO FINISH THAT CIP PLAN AND GET THOSE ROADS THAT WE'VE PROMISED THAT V DOT PROMISE TO. AND THE COUNTY PROMISED THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE PUT A HARD TOP ON IT FOR HIM. WE NEED TO GET THAT WORK DONE. THANK YOU, SIR. DAVID CO THANK YOU. MY NAME IS DAVID. I LIVE IN SHANDO FARMS, BEEN THERE ABOUT 16 AND A HALF YEARS WAS A BOARD MEMBER FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS DURING THE TRANSITION PERIOD, I SUPPORTED IT. THEN I SUPPORT THE COUNTY, KEEPING THE MAINTENANCE OF IT. NOW, THE ROADS WERE TERRIBLE BEFORE THE CONTRACT PROCESS WAS A MESS. I WOULD SAY IT WAS MORE OF A WHO'S YOUR BUDDY AND NOT BASED ON MERIT. AND, UM, I WOULDN'T CONSIDER IT VERY ABOVE BOARD. THERE WERE PRACTICES THAT I DISAGREED WITH BEYOND THAT THINGS LIKE I PERSONALLY DONATED A VIDEO RECORDER FOR OUR MEETINGS. SO WE WERE TRYING TO PUSH TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS. THEY WOULD ADJOURN THE MEETING. TURN OFF THAT RECORDER, CARRY ON BUSINESS. READJOURNAL FINISHED THE MEETING BASED ON WHAT HAPPENED OFF MIKE. I DON'T LIKE THOSE PRACTICES. I DON'T CARE FOR THEM. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE IN A POSITION TO MANAGE THE MONEY. IF THEY ARE GIVEN THE MONEY BACK, I FEEL THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOME SERIOUS GUIDELINES AS FAR AS OVERSIGHT, ACCOUNTABILITY, TRANSPARENCY. AND THEN ALSO, I JUST ASKED THE QUESTION. THESE ARE VOLUNTEERS THAT COULD BE VOTED OFF ANY DAY. THEY'RE NOT PAID. THIS IS A BIG BURDEN FOR THEM TO TAKE ON OTHER THAN THE BANK, THE MONEY. WHAT'S THE PURPOSE FOR THEM TO WANT THIS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. BRUCE BOYLE. GOOD EVENING. JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS. WE'VE HAD BOARD MEETINGS THE SECOND SATURDAY OF EVERY MONTH FOR DECADES, THESE ARE PUBLICIZED AND ANNOUNCED. THE ATTENDANCE IS POOR. WE CANNOT MAKE PEOPLE COME TO THEM. WE ARE SIMPLY EXERCISING A CONTRACTUAL, RIGHT? WE SIGNED IN WITH THE ABILITY TO SIGN OUT AND WE'RE CHOOSING TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE FEEL LIKE WE CAN MAKE BETTER PROGRESS. AT THIS TIME, WE ARE VERY PLEASED WITH THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT, MR. ROBERTSON, IN PARTICULAR, WE'VE HAD VERY GOOD COMMUNICATIONS WITH THEM. WE THINK THE COUNTY'S ON THE RIGHT PATH THERE. UM, WE ARE GOING TO MOVE TO, TO MRS. OATES. YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THE MONEY WE WANT TO PAVE A 1.4, ONE OH MILES OF OLD OAK, 1.4 MILES OF DRUMMER HILL, AND 1.9 MILES OF VENOUS BRANCH. AFTER THAT, WE'VE ALREADY HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY THAT IF, ESPECIALLY, IF WE HIT A PAUSE PERIOD, THAT THE FEES WILL DECLINE, UM, THIS MONEY WAS, WAS RAISED FROM THE 2 95 TO THE THREE 50, WITH THE IDEA OF FUNDING, THE NEXT RURAL ROADS ADDITION PROGRAM, WHICH NO LONGER EXISTS. WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN WASTING THE MONEY. WE'RE INTERESTED IN TAR AND CHIP. AND, UM, AND THAT, THAT'S PROBABLY OUR BIGGEST THING. UM, OUR HOUSE IS AN ORDER AND WE'RE NOT IMPLYING THAT YOURS IS NOT BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE WILL TAKE THAT THAT WAY. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE SAYING. WE THINK MATT'S DOING A GREAT JOB, BUT OUR HOUSE IS IN ORDER AND THE OVERSIGHTS ARE THERE AND WE ARE VOLUNTEERS. AND WE THINK WE CAN DO IT QUICKER. ONE OF THE SIMPLEST THINGS, THAT'S TWO ADVANTAGES. NOW, SANITARY DISTRICT EMPLOYEES REPORT HERE AND DRIVE A HALF HOUR, LEAVE A HALF HOUR EARLY TO GET BACK HERE. WE WILL PICK UP THREE TIMES, ONE HOUR TIME SINCE A 52 WEEKS OR A 52 HOUR WEEK [01:30:01] ON EACH PERSON. WE'RE JUST GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO GET A BETTER SYNERGY AND A BETTER EFFICIENCY OF OUR LABOR. AND, UM, WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN SEVERN. IF WE NEED PUBLIC WORKS OR PUBLIC WORKS NEEDS US. WE'RE ALL WILLING TO HELP ON THAT. IT'S NOT, NOT, THIS IS NOT MEANT TO BE A BITTER DIVORCE AT ALL. IT IS OUR CONTRACTUAL, RIGHT? TO WITHDRAW OUR BOARD, VOTED ON IT BY ALL THE RULES. AND IT'S NOT SUDDEN THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A WHILE. AND WE MET WITH YOUTUBE PARTICULARLY TO LET YOU GET A HEADS UP. SO THAT, THAT IT'S BECAUSE IT IS A STONER, BUT ALL WE'RE DOING AND REALLY IN VERY SIMPLE TERMS IS THE MANAGER OF THE DISTRICT IS GOING TO GO FROM THE COUNTY TO US. AND THAT'S IT. THE MONEY CAN'T GO TO SALARIES TO THE BOARD MEMBERS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT PAID ANYTHING. SO WE WANT TO PUT, UH, PUT THE MONEY INTO TAR AND CHIP AND IMPROVEMENTS ON THE ROADS. AND WE WANT TO DO IT STARTING JULY ONE WITH SOME BIDS THAT MR. WHO'S ALSO BEEN VERY GOOD. MR. BARRY ALSO BEEN VERY GOOD. UM, YOU KNOW, BIDS ARE STARTED AND WE WANT TO GET ONE OTHER BID AND, UH, W WE WANT TO FOLLOW A COUNTY GUIDELINES AND WE'RE WILLING TO SUBMIT THE REPORTS NECESSARY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. MR. DALEY, UH, DR. DAILY MASS. GOOD QUESTION QUESTIONS. UNDER THE GUIDELINES OF THE STATE OF VIRGINIA, ARE THEY REQUIRED TO PROCURE FOLLOW VIRGINIA PROCUREMENT, UM, REQUIREMENTS, WHICH IS TO BE FULLY TRANSPARENT WITH PROCUREMENT AND WHO THEY, UH, WHAT THEIR BIDS ARE AND WHO BID AND HOW MUCH AND THAT SORT OF THING, IS THAT A REQUIREMENT I'M GOING TO REFER BACK TO MR. RENALDI FOR A MOMENT. MA'AM, UH, HE INDICATED THEY CURRENTLY DO FOLLOW THE COUNTY, UH, PROCUREMENT STANDARDS. SO THEY FOLLOW THAT THE SPEC, THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS OF THE, BY THE STATE. I THINK IF THEY'RE FOLLOWING THE COUNTY REQUIREMENTS, THEY ARE FOLLOWED. THEY ARE MEETING ALL STATE GUIDELINES. OKAY. DID YOU FOLLOW THE COUNTY GUIDELINES? AS I SAID, THIS IS A CHART AND THE DOLLAR AMOUNT IS A CERTAIN AMOUNT. THERE'S SOME STEPS YOU HAVE TO FILE. AND WE FOLLOWED THAT THE NEXT PERSON ON YOUR LIST, GLORIA SALINE THANK YOU FOR REAL SIMPLE EMPLOYEE ASLEEP. AND I LIVE ON DOGWOOD FARMS IN THE FINAL. ME AND I CAME HERE TO BE OBJECTIVE, TO PUT THINGS IN PERSPECTIVE AND KEEP AN OPEN MIND THAT BEING SAID, I HAD SEVERAL QUESTIONS HOPING TO GET THEM OUT OF THIS MEETING. AND I ENDED UP WITH MORE. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT NEXT WEEK, YOU GUYS WILL BE ABLE TO ASK MORE QUESTIONS OR INQUIRE ON MORE INFORMATION. IS THAT MEETING GOING TO BE A CLOSED SESSION, OR IS THE PUBLIC GOING TO BE ABLE TO COME? AND IF NOT, WHO DO WE GIVE THESE QUESTIONS TO? BECAUSE IT TAKES UP TOO MUCH TIME ON THE FLOOR UNDER THREE MINUTES, WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO ANSWER IT. LET ME TAKE THOSE IN REVERSE. UH, IF YOU SEND THE QUESTIONS TO ME OR TO MRS. , EITHER ONE OF US WILL SEE THAT THEY GET ADDRESSED BY THE STAFF. UH, THERE WILL BE NUMBER TWO. THERE WILL BE PART OF THE SESSION WILL BE AN OPEN SESSION. PART OF IT WILL BE SOME LEGAL ISSUES THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED IN CLOSED SESSION WITH MR. HAMMOND. THIS IS JORDAN LIKE TODAY, PRETTY MUCH THE SAME FORMAT AS TODAY. THE OPEN PUCK, WELL, THE CORRECTION, IT WILL BE OPEN, BUT NORMALLY DURING A WORK SESSION, THERE ARE NOT AUDIENCE PARTICIPATION PART. NORMALLY THE AUDIENCE WOULD SEND THE QUESTIONS IN THAT AHEAD OF TIME. AND THERE'S INTERACTION ONE ON A SPECIFIC ITEM. IT'S A STAFF WORK SESSION FOR THE BOARD, BUT WHEN THERE ARE THINGS BROUGHT IN, WE WOULD ADDRESS THOSE. THANK YOU, BECAUSE I KNOW WHERE TO ADDRESS MY QUESTIONS AND GET THE ANSWERS THAT I'M SEEKING FOR THIS. AND JUST A COMMON OR A SIDE NOTE ON THIS. YOU KNOW, I WAS A BOARD MEMBER. I RESIGNED IN DURING MY TIME THERE. I ATTENDED A LOT OF BOARD MEETINGS, A LOT OF MEANINGS, UM, WITH BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AS WELL. AND I WAS REALLY HEAVILY INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT THEY WANTED AS A COMMUNITY. AND HOW DO WE MANAGE THIS ON THE BOARD? AS FAR AS COMMUNICATION AND TRUST TO TRY TO INCREASE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE SHOWING UP AT MEETINGS AND SO FORTH. AND IT WAS SUCH A LONG HISTORY OF PEOPLE NOT GETTING WHAT THEY NEEDED THEIR NEEDS. WEREN'T MET THE COMMUNICATION WASN'T THERE. SO EVERYBODY KIND OF JUST GAVE UP ON THIS PROCESS LONG AGO. IT TAKES A LOT TO REBUILD THAT. AND A GOOD EXAMPLE OF HOW THAT WAS DONE AND WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL WAS WHEN [01:35:01] I WAS PUSHING FOR THE, UM, THE BOUNDARY LINE ISSUE. AND WE GOT INVOLVED WITH THE BOARD WITH BOB, DOUG, ALL OF US WERE ON ONE PAGE. WE CAME HERE, WE DEVELOPED A MEETING THAT WAS HELD AT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HALL, AND IT WAS POSTED ON THE BILLBOARD. WHAT WAS GOING ON, PEOPLE CAUGHT ON RIGHT AWAY. I MADE A FLYER. THEY WERE PUT ON AT THE STORES. THEY WERE PUT AT BUS STOPS, CALMED OUT AT I. SO THE MESSAGE WAS OUT WITHOUT REALLY A MAILING LARGE SUM OF MONEY BEING INVOLVED. IT WAS SO SUCCESSFUL. YOU WOULD NOT BELIEVE HOW WELL IT WENT. WE HAD THAT MEETING. IT WAS INFORMATIONAL. THERE WERE CHARTS, THERE WERE POWERPOINT. PEOPLE WERE ON BOARD AND THEY UNDERSTOOD BECAUSE THEY WERE JUST CONFUSED AS A RESULT OF THAT, THEN WE WERE ABLE TO HOLD AN INFORMATIVE VOTE WITH THE COMMUNITY, SAME PROCESS, WHERE IF YOU WANT TO GET WORD OUT THERE TO GET YOUR COMMUNITY INVOLVED, THERE'S WAYS TO DO THAT. WE DO HERE. I NOTICED RECENTLY THAT THE WEBSITE HAS COME A LONG WAY FROM WHERE IT WAS, BUT I DIDN'T NOTICE ANY POSTING OF AGENDAS FOR PEOPLE TO GO ON THERE AND SAY, WELL, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT? THIS IS GOING TO BE IMPORTANT. THIS IS A BIG TOPIC. YOU KNOW, I WANT TO ATTEND, I DIDN'T, HAVEN'T SEEN THAT. OR IN THE MEETING MINUTES, IT'S NOT A BREAKDOWN. IT'S JUST A BLURB. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HELPS. YES, MA'AM THANK YOU. RAIN MCDONOUGH. GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. UM, HAVEN'T BEEN IN A SHED OF FARMS BASICALLY SINCE ABOUT 1970. UM, I'VE SEEN A LOT OF THINGS CHANGE AND, UM, MY PA UH, PROBLEM IS WHY DID WE DIDN'T GET NOTICED UNTIL YESTERDAY THAT THIS MEETING WAS GOING ON? I MEAN, I BASICALLY, I COULD HAVE JUST STAYED HOME AND CUT WOOD. I NEVER NOTICED PLACE WAS GOING ON. ANOTHER THING IS, UM, DUE TO THE MONEY MISMANAGEMENT FROM THE PAST BUNCH OF YEARS, WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF IT, YOU KNOW, JUST FADE UP AND GO AWAY OR SOMETHING COLLAPSED, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING JUST DIDN'T GO OUT AND JUST DIDN'T GO UP. SO I'M WONDERING, DO WE REALLY WANT TO RUN THE EXPENSES BACK TO THE SHADOW FARMS AND JUST NOT KEEP IT IN THE COUNTY? UM, A LOT OF THESE THINGS THAT A LOT OF THE SNOW REMOVAL, THREE QUARTERS OF AN INCH OF SNOW IN THE PLOWERS AND ONE OF THEM DOWN THE ROAD, AND THEY'RE TURNING OUR ROADS UP. I MEAN, OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE FOUR OR SIX INCHES MINIMUM BEFORE THEY START RUNNING THEIR PLOWS. AND YET WE GET A SKIM OF SNOW. IT, WE STILL HAVE GRASS SHOW WENT THROUGH THE SNOW AND THEY GOT THE PLOWS GOING THROUGH IT. AND THERE GOES OUR ROADS. OUR ROADS ARE DOWN. I MEAN, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE ORIGINAL SOIL IS IN SOME PLACES. AND I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU DIDN'T PLOW THE SNOW. AND THERE WAS THREE QUARTER INCH OF SNOW. MAYBE THEY SHOULD MOVE TO FLORIDA. YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN PUTTING CHAINS ON VEHICLES SINCE I WAS EIGHT YEARS OLD. AND YOU KNOW, MY, MY FATHER, YOU KNOW, HE TOLD ME, LOOK, YOU GOT TO LEARN HOW TO PUT CHAINS ON, YOU KNOW, HOW TO FLIP, TO FIX A TIRE BEFORE YOU CAN LEARN HOW TO DRIVE. AND THAT WAS THE WAY IT WAS WITH ME AND MY COUSINS. SO WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO WINTER WEATHER AND STUFF LIKE THAT, I GOT CHANGED FOR EVERY VEHICLE. I DON'T, I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT NOT GETTING OUT OF, I CAN'T GET OUT MAN. FOUR DAYS LATER, I'M SURE I WOULD GET OUT. UM, BUT THE THING IS THOUGH, I THINK WE OUGHT TO REALLY WATCH OUT WHERE OUR MONEY IS GOING, BECAUSE WE CAN'T COP WITH PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW HOW TO DRIVE IN THE SNOW. IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE SNOW, DON'T MOVE ON THE MOUNTAIN. SORRY ABOUT THAT. I LIVE UP ABOUT 1700 FEET AND, UH, WE DON'T GET FAR, WE GET CLOUDS AND WE GET SNOW, WE GET ICE. EVERYBODY ELSE IS GETTING RAIN AND YOU GO UP AROUND THE CORNER AND IT'S A DIFFERENT WORLD. AND, UH, I JUST REALLY HATE TO SEE OUR, UH, PROPERTY TAXES AND FEES, EVERYTHING GOING UP, JUST BECAUSE SOMEBODY ELSE IS TOO LAZY TO GET OFF THEIR DUFF AND DO THE RIGHT THING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. LINDA MCDONNA. I'M LETTING MCDONOGH 1205 HIGH-TOP ROAD. GOOD EVENING TO Y'ALL. UM, YES. I WAS VERY UPSET ABOUT NOT KNOWING ABOUT THIS MEAN I'M THANK YOU VERY MUCH THAT I GOT [01:40:01] A PHONE CALL AND, UM, TRIED TO GET ENOUGH PEOPLE INVOLVED AND RILED UP TO GET HERE. AND, BUT I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS IS, IS, UH, SHENANDOAH FARMS DID NOT ASK THE COUNTY TO TAKE THEIR MONEY. THE COUNTY TOOK THEIR MONEY BECAUSE THE BOARD, UH, DID NOT DO RIGHT. IT WAS WRONG. I WAS ON THE BOARD AND I WAS THERE AT THAT TIME. AND I WAS AT THE MEETING WHERE THE NIGHT THAT THEY MADE IT, THAT THE BOARD WAS GOING TO TAKE OVER OUR MONEY. WE WERE RIGHT BACK THERE IN THAT ROOM. AND THEY ASKED MR. , WHY IS IT THAT YOU DID THAT? YOU CAN'T GO BY THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES. AND HE CRIED AND SAID THAT WE WERE VOLUNTEERS AND THAT WE, THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE DOING WERE NOT VOLUNTEERS. WHEN YOU'RE VOTED ON, YOU BECOME A MEMBER. YOU SEE SHANANDOAH FARMS IS DIFFERENT THERE'S MEMBERS AND THERE'S NON-MEMBERS, I'M A NON-MEMBER UM, THE BOARD THEY'RE MEMBERS. THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS GOING ON HERE. THEY DO NOT REPRESENT ME. I'VE NEVER WANTED THE ROAD, NET REVENUE SHARE PROJECTS. WE WANTED TO DO IT TAR AND CHIP HIRE A REAL COMPANY THAT KNOWS HOW TO DO MOUNTAIN ROADS, BUT OH, NO, NO, NO. THE BOARD WOULD NOT LISTEN TO US. YOU THE BOARD, NOT YOU PEOPLE HERE NOW, BUT THE PREVIOUS BOARD NOW I DO HAVE HERE FROM 1995, A JUDGMENT THAT WAS MADE HERE IN WARREN COUNTY, THAT STATES WE ARE NOT THE PLA AND WE ARE NOT AN HOA. WE ARE A CORPORATION. OKAY. SO GET OFF THE POA AND GET OFF THE HOA BECAUSE IT IS NOT RIGHT. AND I'LL GIVE YOU A COPY OF THESE THAT I HAVE HERE. AND IT'S UNDERLYING THAT THE COURT HAD THE COURTS, MADE THESE DECISIONS AND SAID THAT THIS IS TRUE. SO THE BOARD OF SHENANDOAH FARMS DOES NOT REPRESENT ME AND DOES NOT RESENT REPRESENT 98% OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE. AND THAT'S HOW COME THEY DON'T HAVE THE PEOPLE GOING DOWN THERE. I WAS ON THE BOARD. WE VOLUNTEERED, WE DID ALL THE HAUNTED TRAILS AND DID ALL OF THE MEETINGS AND ALL OF THAT KIND OF STUFF. THEY DID PUT OUT ALL THOSE NEWSLETTERS THREE TIMES A YEAR. WE ALL DID THAT STUFF, BUT NO, THEY DON'T WANT TO DO IT ANYMORE BECAUSE THEY SAY THEY DON'T HAVE ANY VOLUNTEERS. IT'S NOBODY WILL HELP. WELL, WE'RE VOTED IN, WE'RE VOTED IN TO DO THESE THINGS, NOT TO JUST SIT AROUND AND WHINE AND COMPLAIN BECAUSE IT'S TAKEN TOO MUCH TIME. AND I WAS ON THE BOARD AND I AM TOTALLY COMPLETELY UPSET OVER THE FACT THAT THE BOARD OF P OF CHANNEL OF WARREN COUNTY IS EVEN CONSIDERING GIVING THEM ANY MONEY BACK BECAUSE OF WHAT HAPPENED AND THE INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN IN THERE SINCE 2011, IT TOOK US FIVE YEARS OF INFORMATION BRINGING IN HERE, COMING BEFORE YOU ALL, NOT YOU GUYS, BUT THE PREVIOUS BOARD AND PROVING TO THEM THAT THESE PEOPLE CAN NOT HANDLE THE KIND OF MONEY. AND I DON'T CARE WHAT'S GOING ON. THEY DON'T REPRESENT US. THEY HAVE TO, UM, BE, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT SHANNON DOE FARMS, THE MEMBERSHIP IS NOT MANDATORY. IT'S ONLY WHEN YOU VOTE AND YOU SIGN THAT PIECE OF PAPER IS WHEN YOU BECOME, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO PAY LIKE A MEMBERSHIP FEE. AND THEN I HAVE ANOTHER ONE THAT WAS IN 2020, WHERE MR. MAID SENT OUT THAT IT STATES AGAIN IN HERE THAT SHANANDOAH FARMS IS NOT A POA OR AN HOA. SO I HOPE THAT POS BOARD STOPS MISREPRESENTING BECAUSE THEY'VE MISREPRESENTED OUR COMMUNITY ALL OF THESE YEARS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SARAH SABRE. HELLO EVERYBODY. I'M SARAH. I LIVE AT 90 REED DRIVE. I KNOW A LOT OF YOU RECOGNIZE ME BECAUSE HAVE SPOKE HERE BEFORE. OBVIOUSLY THERE'S STILL CONFUSION ABOUT THE SETUP, UM, THAT THE COUNTY HAS BOTH IN THE COMMUNITY AND IN GENERAL, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S, IT'S NOT NECESSARY. UM, IT'S NOT DIFFICULT. HERE'S MY BOOK. EVERYBODY CAN SEE IT IN THE AUDIENCE. IT SAYS 2020. THAT'S WHEN I STARTED TO GET INVOLVED WITH THE POS OF INC BOARD, UM, THE CURRENT BOARD, NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH ANYTHING ANYBODY HAS DONE IN THE PAST THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE BEEN WRONG. UM, I HAVE PERSONALLY DEDICATED HOURS OF MY FREE TIME TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE BETTERMENT OF THE COMMUNITY. SO SOMEBODY ALREADY ASKED WHAT I HAVE TO GAIN BY SERVING AS A MEMBER OF THIS VOLUNTEER BOARD. [01:45:01] AND I GET NOTHING IT'S THANKLESS POSITION. I HATE GOING TO THE MEETINGS. I HATE THE FORCED SOCIALIZATION. I HATE ALL OF IT. UM, BUT I ALSO HATE MY TAX DOLLARS BEING WASTED MORE THAN I HATE ALL OF THAT. I DO HATE SITTING AROUND FOR HOURS TALKING ABOUT STUFF. WE HAVE NO DIRECT CAPACITY TO CHANGE AS A RESULT OF WARREN COUNTY SHORTCOMINGS. UM, AND THERE'S NOTHING I HATE MORE THAN WASTING MY TIME AND ANY SETUP, I BELIEVE THAT RELIES ON BUREAUCRATS TO CREATE ACTUAL CHANGE IS PROBLEMATIC AT ITS CORE. SO THE WILLFUL IGNORANCE GAME DOESN'T REALLY WORK WITH ME. I CALLED IT OUT OVER A YEAR AGO TO RINALDI AT THE JANUARY 21ST, 2021 BOARD MEETING. AND I CALL IT OUT AGAIN NOW BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SIT THERE AND VOLLEY SOLUTIONS TO RINALDI WHO LIVES OFF A NICE PAVED STATE ROAD WHILE I DRIVE UP A RUTTED OUT GOAT PATH AND REPLACE MY AXLE FOR THE FOURTH TIME, BECAUSE WE HAVE ROAD CREWS WHO DON'T UTILIZE ADJUSTABLE PLOW SHOES. SO HOW ABOUT ANY OF THE WELL-MEANING INDIVIDUALS IN THE AUDIENCE STEP UP AND INVEST YOUR OWN TIME AND EFFORT TO CREATE ACTIONABLE CHANGE AND TAKE HIS POSITION WITHIN THE BOARD. SO WE CAN BRING IN MORE PEOPLE WITH A VESTED INTEREST IN THE COMMUNITY'S BETTERMENT THAT DO EXIST. I'M ONE, JONATHAN'S ONE. THERE ARE SEVERAL LAYERS YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND TO ADDRESS IN COMPANIES, THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. IT'S NOT A ONE SIZE FITS ALL. AND THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO HAVE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY LIVE HERE INVOLVED. AND IT'S HILARIOUS BECAUSE I CAN COUNT ON ONE HAND, HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM HAVE ATTENDED ANY MEETINGS FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS? AND WELL, YOU ASKED RINALDI IF HE ASKED FOR ANY INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY, BUT DID THE COMMUNITY ACTIVELY SEEK OUT THIS INFORMATION ON THEIR OWN OR DID THEY JUST ASSUME WE WERE GOING TO HAND IT TO THEM? CAUSE I PERSONALLY DON'T TAKE MY TIME ON SOCIAL MEDIA TO DO VOLUNTEER WORK. I NEED SOMEBODY ELSE TO STEP UP TO JOIN ME IN THAT. AND I SINCERELY HOPE ALL YOU PEOPLE SHOW UP TO THE NEXT MEETING. THANK YOU, TRACY LANE. MY NAME IS TRACY LANE. I LIVE AT 6 45 BRAG DRIVE. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF SHANANDOAH FARMS FOR ABOUT 10 YEARS. AND I PERSONALLY HAVE TO SAY IT'S PROBABLY THE BEST PLACE I'VE EVER LIVED IN MY LIFE. AND I'VE LIVED ALL OVER THE WORLD. I AM ALIVE. I WAS ELECTED TO REPRESENT THE PROPERTY OWNERS OF SHENANDOAH FARM. AND I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD FOR TWO YEARS, GOING A LITTLE OVER TWO YEARS NOW. UM, AND I, UM, I, I ALSO INVITE ALL OF YOU TO COME AND PARTICIPATE IN THOSE MEETINGS BECAUSE ANYBODY WHO WALKS IN PLEASE ADDRESS US, OKAY. ANYBODY WHO COMES IN HAS A SAY, I VOTED TO SUPPORT THIS DECISION. AND THE REASON I DID, AND THIS IS MY PERSONAL REASONS FOR DOING IT IS THAT IF MY BANK DIDN'T GIVE ME STATEMENTS FOR 18 MONTHS, UM, AND I KNEW THAT I HAD MONEY GOING IN THERE AND DIDN'T HAVE ANY IDEA OF WHERE THAT MONEY WAS GOING. THEN I WOULD BE CHANGING BANKS. OKAY. AS AN ELECT PERSON WHO WAS ELECTED TO REPRESENT THE PROPERTY OWNERS, IT IS MY DUTY TO CALL ATTENTION TO THAT. AND I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS ARE MOSTLY NEW TO EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENED TO WARREN COUNTY OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE A LOT ON YOUR PLATE. AND I THINK IT'S TIME FOR US TO TAKE OUR TURN AND STEP BACK UP AND DO IT. AND I AGREE WITH MR. RE RENALDI, WE DO HAVE AN ACTIVE BOARD. NOW WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE. I HAVE LEARNED MORE ABOUT ACCOUNTING THAN I EVER WANTED TO LEARN IN MY LIFE OVER THE LAST SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR. AND MY FATHER IS AN ACCOUNTANT. SO I PROBABLY LEARNED A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN I WANTED TO LEARN. UM, AND LET ME SEE IF I HAVE ANYTHING ELSE. UM, I I'M DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE LACK OF REPORTS AND YOU KNOW WHAT, WHEN, UM, IN THE PAST WE WERE GETTING THOSE REPORTS EVERY MONTH THAT WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO ASK REPEATEDLY FOR THOSE REPORTS, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED BY YOU GUYS AT THE COUNTY LEVEL TOO. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. NO ONE ELSE HAS SIGNED UP, BUT I DO HAVE TWO EMAILS THAT WERE RECEIVED THAT YOU WANT TO READ THOSE AT THIS TIME, AND THEN WE'LL ASK IF ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK. SO THE FIRST IS FROM ROGER ROBERTS, SENIOR, UH, PERMANENT RESIDENT OF SHENANDOAH FARM SANITARY DISTRICT. I AM A MEMBER OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS OF SHENANDOAH FARMS. I AM [01:50:01] I'M WRITING IN SUPPORT OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS REQUEST TO ACTIVATE THE CLAUSE AND THE CURRENT MANAGEMENT CONTRACT BETWEEN THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND THE PSF THAT ALLOWS EITHER PARTY TO WITHDRAW FROM THE CONTRACT WITH A 90 DAY PRIOR WRITTEN NOTICE DURING THE LIFE OF THE CURRENT CONTRACT, THE POS F BOARD OF DIRECTORS HAS CLOSELY OBSERVED THE ACTIONS OF THE VARIOUS SANITARY DISTRICT MANAGERS. WARREN COUNTY HAS UTILIZED TO MANAGE THE SANITARY DISTRICT. DURING THAT TIME, THE PSF BOARD OF DIRECTORS HAS LEARNED WHAT DOES AND DOESN'T WORK WELL IN MANAGING A SANITARY DISTRICT, CONSIDERING THE PROFESSIONALISM, COMPETENCE, AND CAPABILITIES OF THE POF BOARD OF DIRECTORS. I BELIEVE THEY CAN ADEQUATELY MANAGE THE AFFAIRS OF THE SHENANDOAH FARM SANITARY DISTRICT. I URGE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO HONOR THE CONTRACT, THUS RETURNING MANAGEMENT OF THE SANITARY DISTRICT TO THE POS F BOARD OF DIRECTORS. AND THE SECOND IS FROM MICHAEL ZEITZ OF MCDONALD'S FARM ROAD. I RECENTLY WAS NOTIFIED THAT A REQUEST WAS MADE BY MR. RINALDI ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS OF SHENANDOAH FARMS. THIS CAME AS A BIT OF A SURPRISE BECAUSE I HAD NO IDEA. I HAVE LIVED ON MCDONALD'S FARM ROAD SINCE 2003, AND LIVED THROUGH THE MISMANAGEMENT OF THE POS AND WAS RELIEVED WHEN THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND COUNTY TOOK OVER ROAD MAINTENANCE. I AM UNABLE TO ATTEND THE WORK SESSION TONIGHT, WHICH IS WHY I AM EMAILING YOU ALL. INSTEAD OF SPEAKING DURING THE WORK SESSION AS A PROPERTY OWNER AND TAXPAYER, I DO NOT SUPPORT THIS REQUEST. THE POS F HAS A HISTORY OF MISMANAGEMENT AND THE COUNTY STAFF HAS DONE A GREAT JOB. I SEE NO REASON TO CHANGE IT. A NUMBER OF MY NEIGHBORS FEEL THE SAME. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? I'LL COME BACK TO YOU SINCE SHE HAS NOT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY. HI, GOOD MORNING. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS STEPHANIE SHAFFER AND I'M A RESIDENT OF SHENANDOAH FARMS RIGHT ON THE RIVER. UM, I'VE BEEN A VOLUNTEER FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE HISTORY, BUT MY EXPERIENCE ON THE BOARD IS THAT PEOPLE ARE REALLY DEDICATED THEIR VOLUNTEERS AND THE BOARD. WE TALKED ABOUT IT. WE, UM, REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT IT AND LOOKED AT ALL THE INFORMATION. AND THE BOARD FELT THAT WE DO HAVE THE EXPERTISE AT THIS TIME ON OUR BOARD, AND THAT WE CAN MANAGE THE MONIES TO BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY AND THE FAMILIES. THERE THERE'S SO MANY OPPORTUNITIES AND LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE HAS SAID, UM, IT WOULD BE GREAT IF PEOPLE CAME AND VOLUNTEERED, THERE'S SO MANY OPPORTUNITIES TO HELP OUT AND IMPROVE THE COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY FOR ALL THE FAMILIES THAT LIVE THERE. AND THEN WE HAVE THE SHENANDOAH RIVER TOO, AND WHAT A BEAUTIFUL PLACE TO LIVE. YOU KNOW, WE'RE VERY LUCKY AND IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT RESPONSIBILITY, BUT MY EXPERIENCE, ALL THE PEOPLE ON THE BOARD ARE DEDICATED. THEY'RE ALL VOLUNTEERS AND SPEND A LOT OF TIME TRYING TO DO WORK SOME OF THESE ISSUES OUT. SO, UM, WE VOTED IN SUPPORT OF IT. THINK, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MA'AM ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? YES, SIR. THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY. AGAIN, MY NAME'S DAVID CO, UM, REGARDING THE BIDDING OF CONTRACTS, I PERSONALLY SAT IN ON AN EXECUTIVE BOARD MEETING. WHEN WE SENT OUT THE, UH, REQUIREMENTS FOR CONTRACT BIDS. WE HAD A DEADLINE FOR THOSE CONTRACT BIDS TO BE SUBMITTED SO THAT WE COULD BID ON THEM AT THE APPROPRIATE MEETING. WE HAD ENOUGH BOARD MEMBERS TO COMPLETE A QUORUM. HOWEVER, THE POWERS THAT BE WOULD NOT BRING SOME OF THE CONTRACT VOTES TO THE FLOOR. AND MY ONLY ASSUMPTION IS BECAUSE THEIR FRIENDS DIDN'T HAVE THEIR BIDS IN YET. SO THOSE, UM, CONTRACTS WERE PUT OFF FOR ANOTHER MONTH AND I DON'T BELIEVE IT WAS FAIR. AND I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT WAY TO DO BUSINESS. I DON'T TRUST THEM TO DO IT CORRECTLY. THE ROADS HAVE NEVER BEEN BETTER IN THE 16 YEARS. I'VE LIVED THERE SINCE, UM, WARREN COUNTY HAS BEEN MANAGING THE ROADS. I SINCERELY HOPE YOU'LL KEEP IT THAT WAY. I THINK MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE, IF GIVEN PROPER NOTICE AND GIVEN AN INPUT WOULD ALSO SHARE THAT IN THE PAST, NOT ALL THE ROADS GOT ATTENTION. THEY, UM, THERE WERE SOME ROADS THAT WERE REALLY NICE AND SOME THAT NEVER SAW ATTENTION WHEN THE COUNTY TOOK OVER ALL 43 MILES OF SHENANDOAH, FARM ROADS STARTED GETTING EQUAL AND FAIR ATTENTION. AND THAT'S THE WAY IT SHOULD BE THE ROADS AND SNOW REMOVAL. MAKE-UP ROUGHLY 80% OF THE BUDGET. IT'S A LOT OF MONEY. WE'D RATHER YOU HAVE IT. THANK YOU. MADAM CHAIRMAN, MAY I ASK A QUESTION OF DAVID? MAY I ASK A QUESTION? OKAY. UM, DAVID, HOW LONG AGO WAS THAT? I WAS ON THE BOARD FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS DURING THE TRANSITION, UH, TRANSITION. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SEVEN YEARS AGO, ISH. UH, I WAS THERE. THAT WAS A 2011 THAT THE COUNTY TOOK OVER. [01:55:01] I STAYED TO THE END OF MY TWO YEAR ELECTED TERM AFTER THAT. SO I WAS THERE ROUGHLY FROM 2009 TO 2012. AND THE REASON A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T COME TO THE MEETINGS IS BECAUSE THE ROADS AND SNOW REMOVAL IS MOST PEOPLE'S CONCERN. AND WHEN THE ROADS AND SNOW REMOVAL ARE TAKEN CARE OF PEOPLE, DON'T GO TO THE POS F MEETINGS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DEREK. ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. I JUST HAVE A RESPONSE TO THAT BECAUSE I DO THIS FOR A LIVING. I'M A CONTRACTOR AND THE BUDDY BUDDY SYSTEM DOESN'T WORK WITH ME. IT MAY HAVE WORKED IN THE PAST, BUT ANYBODY WHO'S GOING TO TRY THAT. I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW THE SEALED BID RULES OF VIRGINIA. AND IF YOU COME TO THE, THE BID READINGS, WHENEVER WE BID ON A CONTRACT, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO NO ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS WITH THAT. BUT THAT HAS BEEN SOMETHING I'VE SEEN OCCURRING IN WARREN COUNTY ACROSS THE BOARD. AND I CAN'T SPEAK FOR EVERY ROAD IN CERNO FARMS BECAUSE I DON'T LIVE ON EVERY ROAD, BUT I DO OWN TWO PROPERTIES THAT ARE THE S CURVE LEADING UP TO THE ONLY WAY OUT OF THE TOP OF THE MOUNTAIN. SO EVERY SINGLE WINNER, WHEN THEY'RE NOT TAKE CARE OF THAT S-CURVE CURVE THAT PEOPLE COME, YOU KNOW, CAREENING INTO MY PROPERTY. SO THIS PAST WINTER, WE HAD AN INSTANCE WITH FIVE VEHICLES STUCK AT THAT S CURVE. SO THE IMPACT OF THAT, UM, AND THE IMPACT OF WORKING OFF OF AN OUTDATED ENGINEERING REPORT, UM, WORKING WITH WATER MISDIRECTION. SO OUR ROADS ARE PITCHED TO THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE CULVERTS THAT ARE INSTALLED. THE CULVERTS THEMSELVES ARE CLOGGED WITH GRAVEL LEAVES, DEBRIS, AND PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY OR MAYBE THE EDUCATION TO CLEAR OUT THEIR CULVERTS SO THAT THE WATER DIRECTION CAN RUN PROPERLY DOWN THE ROADS SO THAT THE ROADS DON'T GET WASHED OUT. AND SO THAT WE DON'T DUMP TONS OF GRAVEL ONTO THE ROADS REPEATEDLY. SO I'M MORE THAN HAPPY. ANYBODY CAN APPROACH ME AFTER THE MEETING, WHICH I HATE, BUT I'M OFFERING IT TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE ACTUAL ROAD MAINTENANCE AND THE IMPACTS RIGHT NOW. AND FURTHERMORE, I MEAN, THE DEVELOPERS WHO ARE ALLOWED TO THEN COME IN AND DEVELOP PROPERTIES AND NOT AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, ADHERE TO THE MINIMUM STANDARDS OF AN ENTRANCE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE ABSOLUTELY ATROCIOUS COLVER AT THE BOTTOM OF VENOUS BRANCH, ANYBODY WHO DRIVES UP THAT ROAD KNOWS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. IT'S RIGHT THERE ON THE RIGHT. THEY PUT THE CULVERT ON TOP OF THE GRADE AND THEY EXPECT THE WATER RUN OFF TO NOT COMPLETELY WASH OUT THAT ROAD. BUT I WOULD SAY THAT'S AN IMPROVEMENT FROM THE HOUSE THAT WAS JUST BUILT IN FRONT OF THE POND, FURTHER UP IN BRANCH. EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. IF YOU DRIVE UP THAT ROAD AS WELL, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING BUT POTHOLES FROM WHERE ALL THE WATER RUNS DOWN HIS DRIVEWAY INTO THE ROAD. THIS IS BASIC CONCEPTS OF ROAD MAINTENANCE THAT ARE NOT BEING FOLLOWED, WHETHER IT'S BECAUSE THE COUNTY PEOPLE ARE STRETCHED TOO THIN, MAYBE IT'S LACK OF FUNDING. IT IS A LACK OF FUNDING, HONESTLY, BUT THESE ARE PROBLEMS AND SOLUTIONS THAT WE CAN ADDRESS. WHEN YOU GIVE US THE RESPONSIBILITY. IF I'M GOING TO RELY ON THE COUNTY TO TAKE CARE OF IT, IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. AND ALTHOUGH I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S COMMITMENT OF THESE SANITARY DISTRICT MANAGERS. I JUST EMAILED THE GUY LIKE A WEEK AGO. HE DIDN'T COME TO MY HOUSE. HE SAID, HE CAME TO MY HOUSE. I GUARANTEE HE'S GOING TO BILL THAT TIME, BUT WE'VE GOT SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS THAT DON'T SHOW HIM COMING TO MY HOUSE. AND THAT'S WHY I PERSONALLY HAVE HAD A PROBLEM WITH IT, WHICH IS WHY WE'VE MOVED IN THIS DIRECTION. AND AGAIN, MORE THAN HAPPY ANYBODY CONSTANTLY MEETINGS, PLEASE SHARE YOUR OPINION BECAUSE IF WE'RE BASING IT OFF OF 10 PEOPLE WHO SHOW UP TO THE MEETING, YOU CAN'T COME HERE AND SAY, YOU DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO SHARE IT BECAUSE YOU NEED TO SHOW UP TO THE MEETING, PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY. THAT'S ALL WE ASK. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? DO YOU WANT? OKAY. I WASN'T SURE IF YOU RAISED YOUR HAND TO ASK ME A QUESTION OR WHAT, SO I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE TAKING YOUR COUNTY HAT OFF AND YOU LIVE THERE, RIGHT? YES. YES. MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. I AM EMILY. SHAHRAKI, I'M HER DEPUTY CLERK. I LIVE OFF OF BRAG DRIVE. I'M ACTUALLY TRACY'S NEIGHBOR. UM, I WAS A LITTLE BIT HESITANT WHEN I FIRST HEARD ABOUT THIS BECAUSE MY INITIAL GUT REACTION WAS, OH, NO, WE'RE HAVING ANOTHER TOWN BUILDING INSPECTIONS, DEBACLE, YOU KNOW, HERE THEY ARE. THEY WANT TO GET RID OF AN AGREEMENT. WHAT HAPPENS SIX MONTHS FROM NOW, ONE YEAR FROM NOW, WILL THEY COME BACK TRYING TO GET THE COUNTY TO RESUME [02:00:01] MANAGEMENT? IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX. IT IS NORMALLY MY MOTTO. BUT IF THERE IS A BETTER WAY TO DO SOMETHING, AND IF THINGS AREN'T WORKING AND THERE IS AN ACTIONABLE AND EXECUTABLE PLAN, I CAN LISTEN AND I CAN ADAPT AND CHANGE MY POINT OF VIEW. AND THROUGHOUT THIS MEETING, I HAVE CHANGED MY POINT OF VIEW. IT SEEMS LIKE, I MEAN, I'M, I'M ONE OF THOSE RESIDENTS THAT HAS NEVER BEEN TO A PSF MEETING. SORRY, GUYS. I LIVED THERE FOR FIVE YEARS, BUT I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE THEY HAVE A VERY INVOLVED AND ACTIVE VOLUNTEER BOARD. THEY SEEM REALLY DEDICATED. THEY SEEM KNOWLEDGEABLE. THEY SEEM LIKE THEY HAVE AN ACTIONABLE AND EXECUTABLE PLAN AND I'M IN FAVOR OF IT. SO THANK YOU. UM, MS. CHAPEL WHITE, I KNEW. AND JUST ONE THING, I AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS THAT WERE PUT DOWN. SO WE KNOW MELISSA STRAPPLE WIDE AGAIN FROM THE SHENANDOAH FARM SANITARY DISTRICT. I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THOSE WHO HAVE AN OPEN MIND, IF THERE'S A BETTER WAY TO DO SOMETHING GREAT, BUT THERE IS ONE PROBLEM. AND I WANT TO ADDRESS IT WITH COMMUNICATION BECAUSE I HAVE EXPLAINED THIS TO A FEW OF YOU, BUT SOME OF YOU PROBABLY DON'T REALIZE IF YOU IMAGINE SHENANDOAH FARMS, THAT'S A BIG SQUARE. IT'S NOT, BUT IMAGINE THAT, UM, IT'S VERY LARGE. IT'S IT GOES ON FOR MILES AND MILES AND MILES. IT'S LITERALLY THE LARGEST AREA SUBDIVISION IN THE ENTIRE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA IN TERMS OF SQUARE MILES. IT'S HUGE. IT GOES ALL THE WAY UP THE MOUNTAIN FROM DOWN AT THE RIVER TO THE RIDGE. MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN SHENANDOAH FARMS ARE WORKING PEOPLE. SOME OF THEM HAVE FAMILIES IN EITHER CASE. IF IT'S A COUPLE, BOTH OF THEM WORK, PEOPLE WORK CONSTANTLY. THE LOCATION OF THE POS F BUILDING COMMUNITY CENTER, WHERE THEY HOLD THE MEETINGS IS WAY DOWN IN THIS CORNER. IF YOU LIVE UP SOMEWHERE HOT AND YOU DRIVE ON THESE MOUNTAIN ROADS, IT TAKES QUITE A WHILE TO GET DOWN TO THAT BUILDING. AND IF YOU'RE WORKING PEOPLE, YOUR SATURDAY MORNING IS BUSY, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HOP IN YOUR VEHICLE AND DRIVE A LONG DISTANCE ON ALL THOSE ROUGH MOUNTAIN ROADS TO ATTEND A MEETING DOWN THERE AT NINE 30 IN THE MORNING. YOU'RE JUST, AND YOU'RE NOT. AND SO REALLY WHAT IT WINDS UP BEING IS ONLY EITHER PEOPLE WHO ARE KIND OF NEW ARE REALLY, REALLY SUPER DEDICATED OR DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO DO WITH THEIR SATURDAY MORNING OR LIVE NEARBY, GO TO THOSE MEETINGS. AND A LOT OF FOLKS I KNOW, AND INCLUDING MYSELF, WHEN WE FIRST MOVED HERE, WE DID GO TO THOSE MEETINGS, BUT FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS STOPPED. AND WE WERE VERY GLAD AFTER WORKING FOR MORE THAN A YEAR, MAKING PRESENTATIONS TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, WHEN THE BOARD FINALLY TOOK BACK MANAGEMENT OF THE SANITARY DISTRICT, AND FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER, OUR ROADS STARTED GETTING DONE. NOW, IF THERE'S A BETTER WAY TO DO IT, MOST PEOPLE HAVE OPEN MINDS, BUT SO FAR WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY OFFICIAL OFFICIAL REQUESTS AND BACK TO THE COMMUNICATION. SO BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN'T GET TO THOSE MEETINGS BECAUSE THEY'RE BUSY ON THEIR SATURDAY MORNING, THERE HAS TO BE SOME OTHER FORM OF COMMUNICATION. NOTHING IS POSTED ON THE POS SOUTH WEBSITE ABOUT THIS MATTER AT ALL, NO ONE KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON, EXCEPT THE PEOPLE WHO WERE DIRECTLY INVOLVED. THERE'S NO EMAILS, THERE'S NO POSTING, NOBODY KNOWS ANYTHING. AND THE COMMUNICATION HAS TO HAPPEN IN A WAY THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE PEOPLE TO DRIVE THAT GREAT DISTANCE AND SHOW UP AT THOSE MEETINGS ON SATURDAY MORNING. THANK YOU ANYBODY THAT HASN'T HAD AN OPPORTUNITY YET? UM, JONATHAN, HE HASN'T HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE HOW'S IT GOING? BOARD, JONATHAN OAKS, DRUMMER HILL. UM, I'M ON THE BOARD OBVIOUSLY. UM, BUT HERE'S MY THING FOR THE PEOPLE HERE, WHETHER IT'S THE LACK OF COMMUNICATION OR WHAT IT IS, ATTENDANCE WISE, YOU HAVE TO TAKE INITIATIVE. I'M A WORKING MAN TOO. I STILL GOT TO GO HOME AND TEND TO AN 18 MONTH OLD AND TWO OTHER KIDS, SIX DOGS, AND MY WIFE. UM, ON TOP OF THAT, I TRAVELED TWO AND A HALF MILES DOWN A GOAT PATH TO GET TO THE MEETINGS. I'VE BEEN THROUGH SEVEN TIRES IN ONE YEAR. AND IF I COME TO YOU AND SAY, I CAN GIVE YOU A STATE CODE ROAD FOR $3 MILLION IN FOUR YEARS, OR I CAN GIVE YOU A NICE, SMOOTH ORANGE CHIP ROAD FOR A QUARTER OR THAT BY THE END OF SUMMER, COME WINTER, [02:05:01] WHICH ONE ARE YOU GOING TO CHOOSE A MAINTENANCE FOR ME? LET'S SEE. I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO JUST ONE VEHICLE. I HAVE THREE VEHICLES THAT TRAVEL THESE ROADS, BUT JUST MY ONE VEHICLE ALONE, I'M CLEAR ON $3,000. IT'S WINTER. IT COST ME OVER $6,000 WHERE SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS THE GUARD RAIL COULD HAVE KEPT ME DOWN TO A THOUSAND DOLLARS. BUT INSTEAD I DECIDED TO GO OVER TO THE BANK, EAT A COUPLE OF TREATS. UM, ON TOP OF THAT, THAT'S MY MAIN, MY MAIN THING IS I GET NOTHING OUT OF THIS. I GET NO MONEY, ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I COULD BE AT THE END OF TWO YEARS, NOT REAPPLY, UH, ANYTHING LIKE THAT. BUT I MOVED HERE FOUR YEARS AGO AND WAS TOLD, OH, BY THE REALTOR, THIS ROAD, AND THIS ROAD ARE GOING TO BE PAVED. AND THIS THAT THIS ONLY TO FIND OUT IT'S A PART OF THIS RURAL ROADS PROGRAM. IT CAN ONLY BE SUBMITTED ON EVEN YEARS. AND THEN IT TAKES ANOTHER TWO TO THREE YEARS TO START WORK. AND THEN THE PRICE, IT DOESN'T STICK TO WHAT IT WAS WHEN, OKAY, WE WANT TO DO THIS. BUT TO WHAT IT IS NOW WITH 10.1 10.4% INFLATION ON TOP OF IT. SO WITH HAVING THE FUNDS ALL UPFRONT, INSTEAD OF HERE'S YOUR 10% TO RUN FOR USF AND THE REST IS SITTING IN RURAL ROADS AND BUILDING UP WITH HAVING IT ALL UPFRONT, IT'S OKAY. WE CAN GET THIS DONE RIGHT NOW FOR THIS. AND IT'S ONLY A QUARTER OF IT COMPARED TO WHAT IT WOULD BE IN A MATTER OF FOUR YEARS. SO, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY I'M IN FAVOR OF IT BECAUSE I I'M THERE FOR SMOOTHER ROADS. UH, YEAH. I HAVE FOUR WHEEL DRIVE. YEAH. I KNOW HOW TO USE IT. AND YEAH, IF NEED BE, IT IS WHAT IT IS. I MOVED THERE WHEN IT WAS GRAVEL AND IF IT STAYS GRAVEL, THEN IT'S GRAVEL. BUT IF WE CAN IMPROVE ON IT, WHY AREN'T WE DOING THAT? THE WORST THING YOU CAN DO WITH INFLATION IS SIT ON CASH. WHY ARE WE DOING THAT? IF I, IF I HAVE, WHAT WAS THE THING? $2.7 MILLION. SO FOR EVERY MILLION RIGHT NOW, WE'RE BURNING OVER $200,000. JUST LITERALLY TAKE IT AND LIGHT IT ON FIRE. IT'S GONE BECAUSE WE'RE JUST SITTING ON IT. W WHAT ABOUT ALSO AN ACCOUNT THAT BUILDS INTEREST ON THE MONEY INSTEAD OF SOMETHING THAT'S NO INTEREST, YOU KNOW, UH, AND THEN FOR JUST VENUS BRANCH AND DRUMMER HILL WAS OVER $60,000 IN THREE MONTHS IN MAINTENANCE TO MAINTAIN GRAVEL. IF I'M NOT SPENDING $60,000 EVERY THREE MONTHS, INSTEAD OF HAVING IT TAR AND CHIP THAT'S $60,000 EVERY THREE MONTHS IS THEN GOING TO A BANK ACCOUNT FOR WHEN IT BUILDS UP TO TAR AND CHIP AND GET EVEN MORE DONE SOONER. THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM. WELL, YEP. I APPRECIATE THAT. YEAH. WE DRY. I'VE MADE AN EXCEPTION TONIGHT, LETTING PEOPLE TALK TWICE. UM, SO I APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE WITH THAT. MY NAME IS SEBASTIAN AND CLIMATE WITHIN SHANDO FARMS TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YOU ASKED MR. AND ALBI, UH, IN PLAYING POLITICAL NONPOLITICAL, ENGLISH, ANDREW'S NEW, UH, RIGHT. SO, UH, PRE 2011, UH, NOBODY PLOWED THE RAILS UNTIL THERE'S ABOUT SIX INCHES OF SNOW ON HIM. AND, UH, LOOKED LIKE THE POS F MEETINGS WHERE THE TREASURER COULD NEVER TELL WHAT WE HAD IN THE BUDGET. AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, TARRED AND SHIT, JUST LIKE ANYTHING ELSE JUST WASHES OUT EVENTUALLY. THAT'S WHY THEY KEEP DOING HOUSE VILLE. EVERY COUPLE YEARS OR SO, UM, ON HYDRO HIGHWAYS OR WHEN YOU CAN GO FASTER, WHEN THEY FIRST GET IT DONE, TAR AND SHIT, IT GETS VERY DUSTY. IT, SLIPPERY MOTORCYCLES CAN HAVE ACCIDENTS ON THEM. UM, YOUR THING BACK GRAVEL ROADS, ESPECIALLY AROUND SHANDO FARMS. PEOPLE NEED TO SLOW DOWN. OKAY. THEY MOVED DOWN HERE OR UP HERE FROM THE CITY. THEY DRIVE, LIKE THEY GOT NO COMMON SENSE. THAT'S WHERE IT DUST COMES FROM. THAT'S WHERE THE POTHOLE COME FROM. AND THAT'S WHERE ALL THE CRASHES IN THE WINTER TIME COMES THROUGH. SO YOU DON'T LIKE MOUNTAIN LIVING, YOU KNOW WHERE TO GO BACK THERE AND BY THE WAY, OLD OAK AIN'T THAT BAD. I DRIVE IT EVERY DAY. UH, YEAH, WE GET A GOOD RAIN AND GET PRETTY NASTY, BUT ALL IN ALL. YEAH. AFTER THEY SERVICE IT WITH NEW GRAVEL, WHATEVER, IT'S PRETTY FINE. I JUST DROVE IT AGAIN TODAY. SO, UM, YEAH, SEEING SOME IMPROVEMENT OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS, UH, NEW TRUCKS BUY A SUBSTATION OVER THERE AND ON HOUSE VILLE. AND, UM, I [02:10:01] DON'T KNOW WHY THE HALF THE FIRE STATION JUST VAPORIZED. I RECKON THEY DIDN'T EVEN THE FIRST PLACE. SO, UH, THEY'RE PLAYING SOUNDS GOOD ON PAPER, BUT THERE MIGHT BE SOME HIDING UNDERNEATH THE LAYERS OF THE ONION. I GOTTA CHECK INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE. THAT'S ALL I GOT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. ANYONE ELSE THAT HAS NOT HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK? OKAY. THEN WE'LL TAKE YOU AS THE LAST SPEAKER TONIGHT. I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS TWO THINGS THAT I'VE BEEN LISTENING TO. ONE IS ABOUT THE TIME OF SERVICE AND THE TIME COMMITMENT IT TAKES TO SHOW UP AT A MEETING. I'M A SINGLE PARENT, I'M AN EDUCATOR. AND AS MOST OF YOU KNOW, EDUCATORS USUALLY HAVE MORE THAN ONE JOB BECAUSE WE CAN'T AFFORD TO WORK JUST ONE JOB, ESPECIALLY AS A SINGLE PARENT. SO I ACTUALLY, UM, I DO TUTORING ON THE SIDE. SO I HAVE OTHER STUDENTS THAT I TEACH AFTER MY CONTRACT HOURS. AND I CAN'T AFFORD TO TEACH IN THIS COUNTY BECAUSE OF PAY RATES AND COST OF LIVING AS A SINGLE PARENT. SO I COMMUTE AN HOUR EACH WAY. EVERY DAY, I FINALLY REPLACED MY SUBARU, WHICH IS WHAT I HAVE TO MAKE SURE I CAN GET OUT WHEN I NEED TO GET OUT. I PUT 31,000 MILES ON MY CAR THIS YEAR, AND THAT WAS WITH ME DISTANCE TEACHING FOR SIX MONTHS OF THAT YEAR. SO I DO TRAVEL THESE ROADS A LOT AND I STILL MAKE THE TIME TO SHOW UP AT OUR PLS F MEETINGS. AND I DO THAT BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT IF I'M NOT A PART OF THE SOLUTION, THAT I'M PART OF THE PROBLEM. OKAY. AND SO BY SHOWING UP AT THESE MEETINGS, LISTENING TO WHAT'S GOING ON AND BEING A PARTICIPANT AND ADDRESSING THE PROBLEMS FOR OUR COMMUNITY, UM, THEN I'M DOING MY SERVICE WORK AND I DON'T GET PAID FOR IT. YOU KNOW? UM, IT WOULD BE LOVELY BECAUSE I COULD PROBABLY USE A FOURTH JOB. UM, THE OTHER PART IS, YOU KNOW, I GET THE, THE CONCERNS ABOUT RHODES. I, UM, HAVE TEENAGERS AND ONE OF MY TEENAGERS DROVE OFF THE MOUNTAIN LAST SPRING. UM, HE WAS NOT SPEEDING AND HE WENT AROUND THE S-CURVE ON BLUE MOUNTAIN ROAD AND LOST CONTROL OF HIS CAR. THE TIRE CAUGHT THE LIP OF THE PAVEMENT BECAUSE THERE WAS ENOUGH OF A GAP BETWEEN THE GRAVEL AND THE PAVEMENT AND IT PULLED HIM OFF THE ROAD. IT'S THE ONLY TIME OF MY LIFE. I'VE BEEN GRATEFUL THAT MY KID HAD A TREE. OKAY. CAUSE HE WOULD HAVE ROLLED SINCE THEN. UM, I'VE ACTUALLY TALKED TO MICHAEL AND HE WENT AND WALKED IT WITH MY SON AND I, AND HE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT FROM THAT HAIRPIN TURN ALL THE WAY UP TO THE TOP OF THE MOUNTAIN. THERE'S NO BUS SERVICE FOR OUR KIDS. SO MY KID THAT DROVE OFF THE MOUNTAIN USED TO WALK THAT MOUNTAIN EVERY SINGLE DAY ON THE WAY HOME FROM SCHOOL, I NO LONGER HAVE KIDS IN WARREN COUNTY SCHOOL. THEY FINALLY GRADUATED, BUT, UM, THERE'S STILL KIDS THAT DO THAT AND I REGULARLY PICK THEM UP AND TAKE THEM TO THE BUS STOP. SO THEY'RE NOT HAVING TO WALK THAT, YOU KNOW, I, I, I MEAN, MICHAEL WILL TELL YOU HOW, LIKE EVERY TIME THERE'S ANOTHER CAR THAT GOES OFF THE ROAD. AND I THINK THERE HAS BEEN FOR, SINCE MY SON WENT OVER, UH, ONE KID GOT RAN OFF THE ROAD BY SOMEBODY GOING AROUND THE CURVE TOO FAST. AND THEN OF COURSE THERE'S ALWAYS THE SNOW ISSUE WHEN PEOPLE HIT THE CURVES AND JUST DO IT A LITTLE BIT TOO FAST AND THEY'RE NOT BANKED PROPERLY. THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM OR THERE'S A GAP BETWEEN THE PAVEMENT AND THE GRAVEL. UM, I HAVE DEEP CONCERNS ABOUT THE ROAD CONDITIONS AND I, IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT OUR CREW THAT COMES OUT, I KNOW TIMMY AND I SEE HIM ON A REGULAR BASIS AND I SEE MICHAEL ON A REGULAR BASIS AND I THINK WE'RE DOING WHAT WE CAN DO, BUT I THINK THERE'S MORE THAT CAN BE DONE. AND I THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE BETTER OFF IF WE'RE ABLE TO MANAGE THAT ON A MORE LOCAL BASIS THAN COUNTY-WIDE. UM, AND I, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS ALL NEED TO BE WORKING WITH US TO GET SOME GUARD RAILS OR SOMETHING BECAUSE SO THE BUSES CAN GET UP THAT MOUNTAIN. SO THESE KIDS AREN'T WALKING TWO AND THREE MILES EACH WAY TO SCHOOL AND THEY DO THAT STOP IN ABOUT SEVEN 30 IN THE MORNING. YOU'LL SEE THEM WALKING DOWN THAT MARK MOUNTAIN, WHEN YOU STOP AT THE 2 33, O'CLOCK WHEN THEY'RE GETTING OFF THE BUS AND YOU'LL SEE A WALKING UP TO HAVING THANK YOU. WELL, THAT'S GOING TO CONCLUDE OUR PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, AND WE WELCOME MORE QUESTIONS. THIS IS LASER. WE'RE NOT VOTING ON THIS TONIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE DISCUSSIONS. AND IF WE NEED TO, WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER MEETING LIKE THIS. WE WANT THIS TO BE AS EASY A TRANSITION, WHICHEVER WHAT IS EVER DECIDED AND AS TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE. SO THE CHAIRMAN, UM, IF IT'S, AND THIS IS PROBABLY FOR CAITLIN, FOR MS. JORDAN, MS. JORDAN, IF THEY HAVE A CONTRACT AND THEY HAVE THE EXERCISE OUT CLAUSE IN THAT CONTRACT, IS THIS BODY REQUIRED TO VOTE ON ANYTHING BECAUSE IT IS THERE IN THEIR RIGHT TO EXERCISE THAT CLAUSE. IS THAT CORRECT? WE MAY WANT TO ADDRESS THAT IN THE CLOSED SESSION NEXT WEEK. MA'AM [02:15:01] THERE'S MORE TO THIS. OKAY. NOW THAT'S WHY I SAID, OKAY, YEAH. MORE DISCUSSION, MORE INFORMATION. UM, BUT WE WILL PROMISE TO BE AS TRANSPARENT AS WE CAN AND APPRECIATE EVERYONE COMING OUT. AND I DO ENCOURAGE, I THINK THE BEST THING ANY OF US CAN DO IS TO COMMUNICATE, UM, AND BE AS INFORMATIONAL AS WE CAN. UM, THERE ARE SO MANY AVENUES NOW THAT, AND WE'RE WORKING ON THAT BROADBAND, CAUSE I'M GOING TO SAY THIS AND I KNOW PEOPLE ARE GONNA SAY BROADBAND, BUT EMAILS ARE FREE. THE NEXT DOOR I HAVEN'T GOTTEN ON THAT NEXT DOOR, BUT I'VE HEARD THAT. SO, YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW THERE'S BULLETIN BOARDS. I WOULD PUT UP FLYERS EVERYWHERE TO GET OUT THE INFORMATION BECAUSE I THINK THE MORE YOU INFORM PEOPLE, THE LESS DISGRUNTLED THEY ARE. SO, UM, AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK WE'VE HEARD A LOT TONIGHT IS JUST PEOPLE ARE UPSET BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY DON'T FEEL INFORMED AND INCLUDED IN. UM, AND I KNOW GOING TO MEETINGS CAN BE BOTHERSOME, BUT I ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO DO THAT. UM, IT'S YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, UM, DON'T FEEL PUSHED OUT, PUSHED BACK IN. SO THANK YOU ALL. I HOPE YOU HAVE A SAFE TRIP HOME AND UM, WE'LL GET BACK WITH YOU. AND, UM, THEN WE'LL TRY TO GET THE INFORMATION OUT ABOUT MEETINGS IS AS BEST WE CAN. THANK YOU ALL. IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? IS THERE A SECOND TO THE MOTION DO AS YOUR SECOND, ALL THOSE AYE, WE ARE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.