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OKAY.AND WELCOME TO THE APRIL 5TH, 2022 BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING.
WE'RE GOING TO START OUT WITH A MOMENT OF SILENCE, PLEASE.
[A. Call to Order and Pledge of Allegiance of the United States of America]
OKAY.IF EVERYONE WOULD RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
AND FIRST ON THE AGENDA IS THE ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA.
ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS? MADAM
[B. Adoption of Agenda – Additions or Deletions]
CHAIR I'D LIKE TO, UM, AMEND THE AGENDA THIS MORNING.IF I, IF I MAY, UM, I'D LIKE TO AMEND THE AGENDA TO, UM, UH, ADD TO ITEM H THREE, SECTION TWO DOT TWO DASH 3 7 1 1 8 7 AND EIGHT, EIGHT, UH, CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL PERTAINING TO ACTUAL PROBABLE LITIGATION AND THE PROVISION OF LEGAL ADVICE WITH THE EDA ON EDA MATTERS, PLEASE.
AND YOU'RE MOVING TO APPROVE THE AGENDA WITH THAT CHANGE WITH THAT ADDITION.
IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE AGENDA AS AMENDED WITH THOSE ADDITIONS ROLL CALL MRS. HAYES, MR. MRS. COOK, MADAM CHAIR.
[C. Public Comment Period (60 Minute Time Limit)]
IT'S PUBLIC COMMENT, TIME, 60 MINUTE TIME PERIOD WHERE EACH SPEAKER HAS THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK ON SOMETHING THAT IS NOT PART OF A PUBLIC HEARING.ALL COMMENTS WILL BE DIRECTED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, NOT TO THE AUDIENCE BE CONSIDERED OF YOUR FELLOW SPEAKERS.
THERE SHOULD BE NO APPLAUSE, BOOING OR OTHER AUDIBLE DISPLAYS A DISRUPTION TO THE PROCEEDINGS THROUGH A SHOW OF HANDS.
THE CHAIRMAN MAY ASK FOR A SHOW OF SUPPORT FOR COMMENTS MADE BY SPEAKERS, PLACARDS POSTERS, AND OTHER MEANS OF VISUAL DISPLAY OF COMMENTS WILL NOT BE PERMITTED IN THE BOARD MEETING ROOM.
THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE INFORMATION OR MATERIALS YOU USE AS PART OF A FACTUAL PRESENTATION TO THE BOARD.
THE BOARD WILL NOT TOLERATE PERSONAL ATTACKS BY ANYONE ON ANY OR ANY OF THE PARTICIPANTS IN THE PROCEEDINGS.
AND LET'S SEE MS. CHAPEL WHITE GOOD MORNING, RIGHT? VERY QUICKLY.
I HAVE EMAILS TO SUBMIT TO THE RECORD.
AND, UM, THERE'S ONLY ONE THING I WANT TO EMPHASIZE FROM THOSE JUST FOR A MOMENT HERE, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S NOT CLEAR.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF, LET'S SAY MISUNDERSTANDING.
CAN YOU PULL THAT MIC DOWN? THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF MISUNDERSTANDING ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE SHENANDOAH FOREIGN SANITARY DISTRICT HAS A PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION OR WHETHER THE SHENANDOAH FARMS SUBDIVISION HAS A PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION THAT MATTER WAS DECIDED IN A LEGAL CASE IN WHICH POS F INC, WHICH CALLS ITSELF.
THE PROPERTY OWNERS OF SHENANDOAH FARM INC WAS SUED.
WAS THE DEFENDANT IN THAT LITIGATION.
THE NAME OF THE CASE IS MATT LADD, M A T L A C K VERSUS P O S F INC, 1995 IN OUR WARREN COUNTY CIRCUIT COURT.
THE EMAILS I SENT YOU GAVE THE ACTUAL COURT CASE CITATION, BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU GOOGLE MATT LACK THE POS F THINK THE CASE COMES UP.
IT'S NOT A LONG INVOLVED COURTROOM DECISION.
IT'S ONLY A FEW PAGES AND THE PAGES RECITE THE LEGAL MUMBO JUMBO.
AND THEN RIGHT TOWARD THE END, IT SAYS, NO POS F INC IS NOT LEGALLY A PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION.
IT DOES NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE VIRGINIA CODE TO BE A PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION.
AND THEREFORE IT HAS NONE OF THE RIGHTS DUTIES OR AUTHORITIES OF A PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION UNDER THE LAW OF THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA.
SO EVERYBODY WHO SAYS THERE'S A PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION
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IS INCORRECT.THERE IS NO PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION.
THEY HAVE NO LEGAL AUTHORITY AT ALL.
THAT IS WHY IN 1996, THE VERY YEAR AFTER THAT COURT DECISION WAS ISSUED, THE SANITARY DISTRICT WAS CREATED TO HAVE THE LEGAL AUTHORITY TO RAISE THE MONEY BY THE SANITARY DISTRICT FEE, WHICH IS A TAX UNDER THE VIRGINIA CODE TO DO OUR ROADS.
AND IT IS THE SANITARY DISTRICT THAT HAS THE SOLE LEGAL AUTHORITY.
AND YOU ALL UNDER THE VIRGINIA CODE ARE THE GOVERNING BODY OF OUR SANITARY DISTRICT.
YOU HAVE THE SOLE LEGAL AUTHORITY TO MANAGE OUR SANITARY DISTRICT AND NOBODY ELSE HAS THAT.
YOU WANT TO PULL THE MIC UP? IS THAT BETTER? YEAH, THAT'S IT.
ANYWAY, IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE, ESPECIALLY ON THIS SIDE OF THE MICROPHONE.
UM, I WOULD SAY I'M A PRIVATE CITIZEN, BUT I THINK THAT TITLE'S ALREADY BEEN TAKEN.
UM, ANYWAY, THE REASON I WAS COMING HERE, I WAS TALKING TO BISHOP LARRY JOHNSON ABOUT THE RESOLUTION THAT THIS PREVIOUS BOARD MYSELF INCLUDED, PASSED TO RENAME BRIDGES, UH, AFTER, UH, MAJOR GENERAL JOSEPH WARREN AND DANIEL MORGAN.
AND I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH HIM.
HE WAS ONE OF WHERE THE PROCESS WAS.
AND, UM, I SPOKE WITH ED CARTER.
I BELIEVE HE TOLD ME THAT IT WAS DOWN AT RICHMOND IN RICHMOND, WAS, UM, UM, WONDERING WHY THEY WANTED TO RENAME THAT BRIDGE AGAIN, BECAUSE IN 2016 AS THE SOUTHPORT BRIDGE WAS COMPLETED, WE RENAMED IT, THE VETERANS MEMORIAL BRIDGE.
AND THE REASON FOR THAT WAS, AND I'M JUST TRYING TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE.
I, I, I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT IT AT THE TIME I SHOULD HAVE, BUT AT THAT TIME THERE WAS A, I THINK IT WAS COLONEL WESLEY FOX.
THERE WAS A PUSH TO NAME, THE BRIDGE AFTER HIM.
HE WAS A CMH RECIPIENT FROM THE VIETNAM WAR.
UM, AND I THINK DAN MURRAY KIND OF SAID, WELL, LET'S TRY AND RATHER TO HONOR ONE PERSON LET'S HONOR ALL VETERANS.
AND THAT WOULD GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO HAD FAMILY MEMBERS, MEN AND WOMEN SERVE, I THINK ON THE VIETNAM MEMORIAL, I THINK THERE'S A RELATIVE OF YOURS ON THEIR NAMES SMEDLEY.
SO WE FELT LIKE THIS WAS A WAY TO HONOR ALL VETERANS.
UM, AGAIN, I'M NOT TRYING TO TAKE ANYTHING AWAY FROM, UH, UH, JOSEPH WARREN.
I MEAN THE WHOLE COUNTY IS NAMED AFTER HIM.
UH, BISHOP, UH, JOHNSON MADE A VERY COMPELLING CASE, UH, WHERE THAT
AGAIN, THAT'S FOR YOUR ALL'S CONSIDERATION.
I'VE NOT DISCUSSED THIS WITH, UH, BISHOP JOHNSON.
I WOULD, UH, AGAIN, SUGGEST THAT YOU TALK WITH HIM AND THEN SEE WHAT HIS THOUGHTS.
CAUSE I KNOW HE WAS REALLY A, UM, A PROPONENT AND, UH, I, THAT I WAS READING SOME STUFF ABOUT MAJOR GENERAL, UM, MORN.
HE WAS ACTUALLY FRIENDS OF PAUL REVERE AND JOHN ADAMS. UH, HE GOT COMMISSIONED AS A MAJOR GENERAL, FIRST BATTLE HE WAS IN WAS IN BUNKER HILL, I BELIEVE.
AND SINCE HE, UH, ADMITTED THAT HE HAD NO REAL MILITARY EXPERIENCE, HE ACTUALLY FOLLOWED US PRIVATE.
AND AFTER THEY RAN OUT OF AMMUNITION, HE WAS ONE OF THE ONES WHO KIND OF STAY THERE AND TRY TO KEEP THE BRITISH BACK.
AND WHEN HE WAS CAPTURED, THEY RECOGNIZED HIM AND THEY, UM, UM, KILLED HIM.
SO HE WAS ACTUALLY PROBABLY ONE OF THE FOUNDING FATHERS, BUT, UH, BUT THAT'S ONLY MY SUGGESTION.
YOU KNOW, IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS, WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
UH, JUST TAKE THAT IN CONSIDERATION AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME, SECOND COUGH.
ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? ARE YOU, ARE YOU DOING WHETHER YOU WANT TO SPEAK? YOU'RE WELCOME TO SPEAK IF YOU LIKED IT.
[D. Report – Virginia Department of Transportation – Ed Carter]
TO REPORTS, VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
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UNDER THE WEATHER THIS MORNING, SO HE ASKED ME TO FILL IN FOR HIM.SO, UM, I'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON OUR LOCAL MAINTENANCE ACTIVITIES.
UM, RECENTLY WE'VE BEEN GRADING AND APPLYING STONE TO VARIOUS STABILIZE ROADS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, AND WE'LL CONTINUE, CONTINUE TO DO THAT.
UM, THROUGH THIS MONTH, UM, AS WEATHER CONDITIONS IMPROVE, UM, WE'VE BEEN PERFORMING BRUSH CUTTING ON VARIOUS ROUTES.
UH, WE USED A NEW BUZZ SAW AND WE DID GUARD HILL AND, UH, BROWNTOWN ROAD.
THEY HAULED AWAY, UH, 84 TRUCKLOADS OF BRUSH.
THEY WERE FIGURING ABOUT 110 TO 120 TONS OF MATERIAL WERE TAKEN OFF THOSE TWO ROADS.
UH, WE SWEPT THE BRIDGES OVER THE NORTH AND SOUTH FORK BRIDGES AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO REMAINING BRIDGES THIS MONTH.
UH, WE USED, UM, A CONTRACTOR TO PICK UP LITTER ON PRIMARY, A VERY SECONDARY ROUTES, AND THEY, UH, PICKED UP 2,586 BAGS OF LITTER.
UM, AND THEN RSW PICKED UP AN ADDITIONAL 168 BAGS OF TRASH LAST MONTH.
SO, UM, WE'RE REPAIRING POTHOLES ON PRIMARY AND SECONDARY ROUTES AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO THAT AS THEY ARISE.
AND, UM, WE PLAN TO INSTALL SOME PIPES ON VARIOUS ROUTES AND BEGIN OUR SKIN PATCHING AND ASPHALT PATCHING IN PREPARATION FOR OUR RESURFACING SCHEDULED THIS SUMMER.
SO, UH, OTHER OTHER BOARD ISSUES, UM, WE HAVE VERIFIED THAT THE REPAINTING HAS BEEN SCHEDULED ON HOUSE VILLE ROAD, UH, IN THE INTERSECTION OF THREE 40 AND 5 22 COUNTRY CLUB ROAD, AS WELL AS THE INTERSECTION OF THREE 40 AND SIX 19, WHICH I KNOW YOU HAD ASKED ABOUT LAST TIME I WAS HERE.
UM, ALSO, UH, WE RECEIVED THE DRAFT SECONDARY SIX YEAR PLAN.
IT IS A DRAFT AND, UM, WE NEED TO SCHEDULE A WORK SESSION WITH THE BOARD TO GO OVER THAT WHERE THE MONEY WILL BE PROGRAMMED IN THE COMING SIX PLAN.
SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR THE BOARD REPORT.
IF YOU HAVE ANY THING FOR ME, I THINK DR.
SO WHEN HE WALKS BACK IN, I'LL GET WITH YOU ON THAT DATE.
I THINK WE WERE LOOKING AT POSSIBLY THE FIRST MEETING IN MAY, UM, AFTER OUR MORNING MEETING, IF THAT WOULD WORK OUT, BUT I WANT TO DOUBLE CHECK THAT WITH HIM.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING FOR MR. SMITH FROM YOUR DISTRICT? YEAH.
UM, I HAVE A QUESTION AND PLEASE BEAR WITH ME, CAUSE I'M KINDA NEW TO THE PROCESS OF HOW TO ASK, UM, UH, REQUESTS FOR, UM, UH, A STUDY, IF YOU WILL.
UM, I HAVE BEEN GETTING, UM, CALLS AND COMPLAINTS FROM SOME OF MY CONSTITUENTS OUT OF THE FOURTH DISTRICT OVER, UM, AT THE CORNER OF, UH, THE RIVERMONT AND THE COY FORD ROAD.
THEY, THEY WERE SAYING THAT THEY'RE, THAT THEY'RE HAVING A PROBLEM WITH SIGHT VISION, THE WAY IT KIND OF DIVIDES IS KIND OF LIKE A LITTLE Y TYPE OF THING.
SO, UM, DO AGAIN, I'M NEW TO THE PROCESS.
SO COULD YOU, YOU KNOW, EXPLAIN TO ME HOW I CAN START THE PROCESS TO HAVE THE DOC TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AREA THERE FOR US? YES.
WE CAN GO OUT AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A SIGHT DISTANCE ISSUE, MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN ADDRESS WITH BRUSH CUTTING.
UM, BUT WE CAN LOOK AT IT AND SEE, WE CAN DO A SAFETY EVALUATION REVIEW ON IT.
AND, UM, LOOK AT THAT SPECIFICALLY AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO IMPROVE THE CONDITIONS.
AND THAT'S RIVERMONT MCCOY FORD, RIGHT.
UM, I, I APPRECIATE YOU DOING VERY MUCH THE, UM, THE HOUSE RAILROAD ROAD REPAINTING.
I KNOW THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WAITING ON IT.
I GET A CALL AT LEAST ONCE EVERY TWO WEEKS ON IT.
UH, DO YOU KNOW WHEN THAT THAT'S GOING TO START? I KNOW THE WEATHER HAS BEEN IMPROVING A LITTLE BIT.
SO LAST YEAR WAS A TOUGH YEAR BECAUSE YOU HAD SUPPLY CHAIN.
WE HAD EQUIPMENT BREAKDOWN, WE HAD CONTRACTOR ISSUES AND UNFORTUNATELY, I GUESS WE'RE STILL DEALING WITH A LOT OF THAT.
UM, THE, ONE OF THE EMAILS I GOT THIS MORNING, UM, WAS THAT AS SOON AS THE MATERIALS COME IN, WE'RE GOING TO SCHEDULE IT.
SO WITH THAT PAINTING WORK TOO, IT'S SOMETHING THE WEATHER CONDITIONS HAVE TO BE RIGHT.
YOU CAN'T HAVE FREEZING TEMPERATURES AND SUCH.
SO, UM, ON THE SIX 19, I ASKED ON THAT ONE SPECIFICALLY AND HE SAID, AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE HOUSE BILL, BUT WE'RE HOPING WE CAN GET TO IT.
AND THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS AS WAS, WAS WHAT I HEARD.
AND THEN ONE MORE FOR ME AND THEN I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO MRS. COLORS, BUT I'M COMING OUT OF COMING OUT OF WALMART, YOU KNOW, OR YOU COME OUT OF WALMART AND YOU TURN LEFT THERE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD.
THERE'S A, UM, LITTLE CONCRETE BARRIER THAT PEOPLE DRIVE OVER ABOUT ONCE A WEEK, ONCE EVERY OTHER DAY.
BUT IT'S A PRETTY SERIOUS THING, ESPECIALLY AT NIGHT.
AND WHEN IT'S RAINING, YOU CAN'T SEE IT.
I HAD ASKED, UM, A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO THAT IT BE PAINTED WHITE OR SOMETHING TO ALLOW
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VISIBILITY BETTER.IF YOU WOULD TAKE A LOOK AT IT AGAIN, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T MENTION IT IN YOUR, YOUR ISSUES.
AND I JUST WANTED TO BRING IT BACK UP TO YOU.
IT'S, IT'S A TOUGH LITTLE TOUGH LITTLE CORNER.
THERE ARE THERE, DO WE CALL THEM DELINEATED, OTHER POSTS WITH LITTLE REFLECTIVE DELINEATORS TO DELINEATE THE CURVE? ARE THEY IN PLACE? NO, NOT REALLY NOT.
I THINK IF YOU DID THE LITTLE CURVE, WHITE, R N YOU MADE THE SIGN A LITTLE BIT MORE VISIBLE.
THIS IS NOT AT THE ROUNDABOUT, BUT NO, IT'S NOT AT THE ROUNDABOUT.
IT'S AS YOU, AS YOU ACTUALLY GO OUT AND GET ON, WHAT DOES THAT SAY AGAIN? YEAH.
YOU TURN THE LEFT ON 5 22 THERE IT'S RIGHT THERE IN THAT CORNER BETWEEN THE TWO ROADS.
ON MY X OR PAINT FOR SOMETHING TO REALLY BE HELPFUL BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE IT IN THE DAYLIGHT.
I THOUGHT YOU SAID BRIGHT PINK.
I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT, UH, YOU'VE GOT LIKE A PEARLIZED QUIET OR SOMETHING.
MR. DALEY, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU COULD SEND US UP? MAYBE A LITTLE PICTURE, SO WE MAKE SURE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE RIGHT SUPPORT.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GETTING THE RIGHT.
THE PAINT THERE IS, UM, IT, IT DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE REPAINTED THERE BECAUSE I WAS OUT THERE, UM, IN THE LAST WEEK OR SO.
AND IT WAS IT NIGHT WHEN THE LINES HAVE FADED OUT AND IT WAS RAINING.
YOU COULDN'T TELL WHERE YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BE AT ALL THERE WHEN YOU GO THROUGH THOSE LIGHTS.
UM, I KNOW MRS. HAYES HAD MENTIONED IT TO ME BEFORE, AND I JUST HADN'T BEEN OUT THERE, UM, AT NIGHT AND IT, LIKE I SAID, IT WAS RAINING AND I WAS LIKE, HOLY SMOKES.
IT'S HARD TO TELL WHERE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE HERE.
IF YOU, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AND WE'LL GET, WE'LL GET SOME PICTURES TO YOU.
SO YOU'LL SEE IT OR NOT SEE IT.
MRS. OATES, ANYTHING FROM YOUR DISTRICT? I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR, UM, WORKING ON GUARD HILL.
THE BRUSH IS, YOU KNOW, IT GROWS INTO THE ROAD AND PEOPLE IT'S ALREADY A NARROW ROAD.
AND SO PEOPLE TEND TO TRY TO GET AWAY FROM THE BRUSH, BUT THEY ONCOMING TRAFFIC GETS AN ISSUE.
SO THANK YOU FOR, AND THIS IS A BUZZ SAW, SO WE'RE, WE'RE ROTATING IT AROUND THE RESIDENCY AND THE COUNTIES.
I THINK IT WAS A MOORE COUNTY FOR 13 DAYS.
WE HAD IT, BUT IT'S, EVERYBODY'S BEEN REALLY IMPRESSED WITH THE AMOUNT OF BRUSH WE'RE ABLE TO TAKE DOWN.
AND IT DOES, DOES DO A GOOD JOB.
IT'S A LOT CLEANER THAN PATH MEN, PAST METHODS WE HAVE USED.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.
THE, THE JOB THEY DID IN THE SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT, UM, IT'S, IT DID A REALLY NICE JOB, NOT JUST THAT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT, BUT ALSO WHAT WAS DONE ON THREE 40.
THERE WERE AREAS THAT THE SITE DISTANCE HAD JUST BEEN OVERGROWN.
SO I APPRECIATE IT'S MADE, YOU KNOW, THREE 40 IS A DANGEROUS LITTLE STRIP OF ROAD AND IT'S MADE IT A LOT EASIER.
I WENT UP LAMPTON FLATS THE OTHER NIGHT AND I ALWAYS SLOW DOWN THERE.
CAUSE I KNOW THE DEER CROSSING FROM ONE FIELD TO THE OTHER AND SURE ENOUGH, SOME I WENT TO PASS ME AND DEER DECIDED TO COME OUT AND I WAS LIKE, THAT'S WHY I DRIVE SLOW FOLKS.
I KNOW I'M ANNOYING TO BE BEHIND, BUT RIGHT THROUGH THERE, I KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO POP OUT.
AT LEAST I SAW IT POPPING OUT.
UM, AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE, UM, THE JOB THE GUYS DID ON SWEEPING THE BRIDGES AND THE SHOULDERS.
UM, AND I WISH I, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT AMOUNT OF TRASH WAS ALL OF THAT IN, IN WARREN COUNTY, WAS THAT RESIDENCY.
YOU KNOW, I WISH PEOPLE WOULD LEARN TO, YOU KNOW, NOT CHUCK STUFF OUT THE WINDOW BECAUSE SOME OF IT'S THAT, AND THEN SOME OF IT IS JUST FAILURE TO SECURE THEIR LOAD.
I'VE, I'VE PICKED UP THREE OR FOUR BAGS MYSELF THIS WEEK, UM, ON THE WAY HOME SO THAT IT WOULDN'T GET HIT AND SCATTERED OUT.
UM, AND I SEE SHERIFF BUTLER HERE.
SO HOPEFULLY THOSE GUYS CAN WORK ON THAT TOO.
I KNOW WHEN THEY DID A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, IT MADE, UM, WE'VE GOT SUCH A BEAUTIFUL COUNTY AND THE AMOUNT OF TRASH ALONG THE ROAD, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, I DON'T LIKE SEEING IT AND I LIVE HERE AND, YOU KNOW, TOURISTS COME IN.
IT, IT JUST SHOWS A LACK OF RESPECT FOR OUR COUNTY.
SO I DO APPRECIATE, AND THAT'S ALL COOL.
THAT'S A LOT OF TRASH PICK UP.
UM, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE STRIPING THERE AT SIX 19.
ARE THEY GOING TO RESTRIPE WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE OR ARE THEY GOING TO RECONFIGURE AND RESTRIPE AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE DID A STUDY LAST SPRING
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AND THAT DIDN'T GET IMPLEMENTED, BUT I THINK IT'S A RE STRIPING IS MY UNDERSTANDING OF IT.NOT LET ME REPHRASE THAT RE WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE TRAFFIC PATTERN TO SHIFT THROUGH THERE, WITH HOW THE LANE JOB WORKS AND THE RIGHT TURN LANE.
BUT I DON'T KNOW ALL THE SPECIFIC DETAILS I WASN'T INVOLVED IN THAT.
IF, UH, I KNOW MS. COOK HAS AN INTEREST THERE TOO, BECAUSE THAT GOES, IT TURNS TO GO OUT HER WAY AND THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC THERE.
DO YOU THINK THEY COULD SHOW, SEND US A DIAGRAM OF WHAT THE RESTRIPE IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE? SO WE HAVE AN IDEA.
I THINK YOU APPRECIATE THAT TOO, WHEN SHE ABSOLUTELY I KNOW TREES ARE, HAVE BEEN A BIG THING AND, UM, IT'S NOT JUST WARREN COUNTY.
I DROVE TO CHARLOTTESVILLE RECENTLY AND IT'S, UH, THE TREES, MY GOODNESS.
THEY'RE JUST FALLING DOWN EVERYWHERE, GUARDRAILS LINES.
UM, SO I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE A LOT ON YOU KEEPING UP WITH EVERYTHING, BUT WE APPRECIATE IT.
AND TELL MR. CARTER, WE HOPE HE FEELS BETTER.
[E. Reports – Board Members, County Administrator, Interim County Attorney]
REPORTS, MRS. COOK.UH, GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE WITH THIS BUSY BUSY WEEK.
WELL, I STARTED OUT, UH, ATTENDING THE COUNTY, IT, THE SECURITY TRAINING, AND I WANT TO THANK THE COUNTY IT DEPARTMENT FOR DOING THAT.
UM, I FOUND THAT THE INSTRUCTORS WERE VERY PROFESSIONAL AND THEY KNEW THEIR CRAFT VERY WELL.
AND, UM, THEY ANSWERED EVERYONE'S QUESTIONS.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WALKED AWAY NOT KNOWING WHAT WAS GOING ON.
AND, AND THEY THREW IN A LITTLE BIT OF HUMOR AS WELL.
UM, I ALSO ATTENDED THE TOWN COUNTY EDA BOARD MEETING AND, YOU KNOW, UH, IT'S ALWAYS INFORMATIVE SITTING IN THAT MEETING, KNOWING WHAT'S GOING ON AND WHAT THE PLANS ARE FOR BETTERING OUR, OUR COUNTY.
I ALSO, UM, UH, ATTENDED THE AIRPORT COMMISSION MEETING.
UH, IT WAS ACTUALLY HERE AT THE GOVERNMENT CENTER LAST WEEK.
AND, UM, WITH MR. BUTLER, HE ALSO ATTENDED THE MEETING AS WELL.
AND ALL I NEED TO SAY IS THAT, UM, THERE ARE POSITIVE CHANGES IN THE WORK FOR OUR AIRPORT.
SO WE GOING TO BE WATCHING THAT SPOT.
THE SATURDAY CAME ALONG AND THEN I WENT TO THE RIVERMONT EASTER, UM, BREAKFAST WHERE THE FAMILIES OUT IN, UM, FORK DISTRICT CAME OUT WHILE I'M SURE THERE WERE MORE THAN FOUR DISTRICT, BUT, UM, A BIG CROWD, THE FOOD WAS GREAT.
IT WAS WONDERFUL TO SEE A LOT OF THE FAMILIES AND THEIR CHILDREN COMING OUT FOR THAT.
UM, AND THEN LATER THAT AFTERNOON I MET WITH MS. COLORS.
WE WERE INVITED TO THE, UH, WARREN COUNTY, UH, WHAT IS THE, UH, GIRL LITTLE LEAGUE, UM, OPEN HIS CEREMONIES.
AND THEN THAT WAS A VERY FUN EVENT.
AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT THEM INVITING US TO BE PART OF THAT, UM, YESTERDAY.
UM, WELL ACTUALLY, UM, IN THE MOVING ON TO YESTERDAY AND WHAT BROUGHT ME TO BE GOING TO THE WAR KIND OF HIGH SCHOOL WILL GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY.
UM, SO IN THE PAST FEW WEEKS, PARENTS HAVE BEEN REACHING OUT TO THE SCHOOL BOARD, UM, WITH THEM CONCERNS ABOUT SOME INAPPROPRIATE LIBRARY BOOKS THAT ARE IN THE MIDDLE SCHOOL AND HIGH SCHOOLS.
SO, UM, IN READING THE INFORMATION THAT THEY'VE BEEN, UM, SHARING WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD, IT WAS KIND OF ALARMING TO ME TO KNOW THAT WE MAY HAVE THOSE TYPE OF, UM, THAT KIND OF LITERATURE IN OUR SCHOOLS.
SO MS KOHLERS AND I WENT YESTERDAY MORNING, UM, TO GO LOOK AT THE, UM, THE LIBRARY AND TO SEE IF THESE BOOKS THAT THE PARENTS WERE INFORMING US, UH, WERE ACTUALLY SHELVED AND COME TO FIND OUT THEY WERE, UM, WE HAD A NICE CONVERSATION WITH THE PRINCIPALS AND THE VICE-PRINCIPALS BOTH HAD WARREN COUNTY HIGH SCHOOL AND, UM, AND ALSO SKYLINE WHAT WE DID DISCOVER THAT WHEN THE PARENTS DID SHARE THIS INFORMATION AND THEIR CONCERN ABOUT THESE BOOKS, THAT THE SCHOOL DID REMOVE THEM OFF THE SHELVES.
AND THEY'RE KIND OF KEEPING THEM OFF TO THE SIDE.
THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE IT AVAILABLE, AVAILABLE FOR PARENTS TO COME OUT AND REVIEW IT AND THEY MAKE THEIR ASSESSMENTS ON IT.
SO, UM, HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, GOING FORWARD, YOU KNOW, UH, THE SCHOOL HAS WHAT THEY CALL A SCHOOL LIBRARY, INSTRUCTIONAL MATERIAL, SCHOOL COMPLAINT PROCESS.
SO THAT'S FOR PARENTS WHO BELIEVE THAT THERE'S SOME INAPPROPRIATE MATERIAL IN
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THE LIBRARIES THAT THEY HAVE A, UM, A OPPORTUNITY TO PLACE A COMPLAINT THROUGH THE SCHOOL BOARD WILL THEY'LL LOOK AT IT AND DO A REVIEW, A COMMITTEE REVIEW OF THE WAY IT UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS.SO, UM, HOPEFULLY THAT DURING THIS PROCESS, THESE BOOKS WILL BE THOROUGHLY VETTED IF YOU WILL.
AND, UM, THAT THEY DO NOT GET BACK ON THE SHELVES, BUT THEN AGAIN, THAT'S THE PROCESS THAT THE SCHOOL BOARD WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH WITH THE PARENTS.
SO, UM, I WANT TO THANK THE HIGH SCHOOL ADMINISTRATION, UM, FOR ALL OF THEIR TIME BECAUSE WE JUST KIND OF SHOWED UP AND THEY WERE VERY PROFESSIONAL AND THEY, UH, THEY'RE VERY OPEN IN ANSWERING OUR QUESTIONS.
AND I WANT, AGAIN, I WANT TO THANK THE PARENTS OF WARREN COUNTY FOR BRINGING THIS AWARENESS TO THE, TO THE BOARD.
UM, I MEAN, GRANTED, I KNOW WE ARE LIMITED IN OUR, WHAT I CALL THE SWIM LANE BETWEEN THE SCHOOL BOARD AND, UM, THE COUNTY.
BUT I THINK THAT ONCE THESE THINGS ARE BROUGHT TO, AND I COULD SPEAK FOR MYSELF, IF I WILL, TO MY ATTENTION THAT I WOULD DEFINITELY WANT TO PURSUE AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE THINGS BETTER.
UM, SO, SO AFTER THAT, THEN THAT AFTERNOON, WE HAD A SCHOOL BOARD BUDGET MEETING THAT I ATTENDED WITH MISS OATS.
AND, UM, AGAIN, WE JUST TALKED ABOUT OUR FISCAL YEAR 23 BUDGET AND, UM, SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, GOING ON AND REQUESTING FOR SOME FUNDS FOR GROUNDS KEEPS SO, UM, BUT THAT'S ABOUT IT FOR ME.
THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK.
YES, MA'AM MR. MAY I ONLY WANT TO JUST BRING UP A COUPLE OF POINTS, NOT A, I MEAN, I CAN TELL YOU EVERYTHING THAT I DID, UH, AND IT'S, IT'S ALWAYS GOOD.
I'M OUT SEEING LOTS OF PEOPLE ALL THE TIME.
UM, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HAVE FOUND THIS WEEK AND LAST WEEK, AND AS WE HAVE GROWN THROUGH THIS PROCESS OF BEING BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IS THAT WE SET UP HERE EVERY WEEK AND WE LISTENED TO OUR CONSTITUENTS.
AND WHEN WE LISTENED TO OUR CONSTITUENTS, WE TAKE IT TO HEART.
UM, WE ARE BASICALLY LAYMAN IN ALL OF THIS STUFF.
WE HAVE, WE'RE CONSTANTLY LEARNING.
WE'RE CONSTANTLY ASKING FOR ADVICE.
WE'RE CONSTANTLY LOOKING TOWARD OUR CONSTITUENTS, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE FOR THINGS, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE AGAINST THINGS.
AND WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION.
IT'S NOT ALWAYS THE RIGHT ONE.
IT'S NOT ALWAYS, UM, UH, THE WRONG ONE.
IT'S THE DECISION THAT'S MADE AND WE HAVE TO STAND BY IT.
UM, WE'VE HAD SOME TOUGH ONES OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, UH, AND I THINK THAT WE'VE DONE A PRETTY DOGGONE DECENT JOB OF TAKING CARE OF THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY, WHICH IS WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO STAND FOR.
UM, I DEPEND A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT ON OUR TEAMS, OUR PROJECT DIRECTORS, OUR, UM, FINANCE DEPARTMENT, OUR ADMINISTRATION, OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, OUR, UH, ADDITIONAL, UM, INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE BOARD MEMBERS THAT WE CAN TALK TO THAT.
UM, WE MUST MAKE A DECISION AND IT'S TOUGH.
SO I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT OFF MY CHEST AND LET YOU KNOW THAT EVERYBODY UP ON THIS BOARD WORKS HARD EVERY DAY TO DRIVE, TO TRY AND MAKE OUR COMMUNITY BETTER.
AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS OUR COMMUNITY JOINING AGAIN AND BECOMING ONE COMMUNITY INSTEAD OF US AGAINST WHOEVER.
UH, WE'RE NOT US AGAINST WHOEVER WE'RE A COMMUNITY WE'RE CALLED WARREN COUNTY AND I RESPECT IT AND I WORK VERY HARD AND I BELIEVE THAT THE PEOPLE THAT WORK WITH US WORK VERY HARD AND, UH, I JUST WANT TO THANK THEM FOR IT.
AND, UH, ONE FINAL NOTE, UM, I DID NOT GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO AND SAY, THANK YOU TO V DOT GOD FOR PICKING UP ALL OF THAT TRACK.
UM, THEY DID A GREAT JOB AND IT MAKES OUR COMMUNITY LOOK BETTER AND WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DRIVE AROUND AND ACTUALLY SEE IT BETTER, WHICH IS GOOD.
UM, BUT I WANT TO THROW OUT A SHOUT OUT TO OUR SW JAIL BECAUSE I HAD THEM ARE, I REQUESTED THEM TO WORK ON ROCKLAND ROAD AND SUCCESS, UH, FARMS, LANE, AND FAIRGROUND ROAD.
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UM, THEY DID IT FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS AND THEY COLLECTED 34 BAGS OF THE TRASH TO ROADS.IT'S ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW, TWO MILES 30, FOUR BAGS OF TRASH, AND I THANK THEM FOR IT.
I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS.
UM, ON SATURDAY, MARCH 25TH, I ATTENDED THE CLAM ROAST.
UM, I DON'T LIKE CLAMPS COMING STRAIGHT WITH YOU.
I ATE THE SHRIMP, BUT NO CLAIMS FOR THIS GIRL ANYWAY, BUT I DID THAT WITH THE HAT, FOR THE HABITAT FOR HUMANITY FUNDRAISER, WHICH WAS A PHENOMENAL EVENT, UM, HOSTED BY HABITAT FOR HUMANITY AND ROBERT HUFFMAN.
UM, AND IT WAS AN AMANDA SLATE IN ALL OF HER BOARD AND STAFF.
AND IT WAS A WONDERFUL EVENT, UH, HELD OUT ON THE FARM IN SOUTH RIVER, WHICH BY THE WAY, IS ONE OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL AREAS IN THIS COMMUNITY.
I TOOK PICTURES OF IT AT THAT POINT.
I THINK WE, UM, WE HAD AT LEAST THREE DIFFERENT SEASONS IN THAT DAY.
UM, THERE WERE LARGE CHUNKS OF HAIL AT SOME THAT WE WERE ALL DODGING AND, YOU KNOW, THEN THE SUN CAME OUT AND IT WAS WINDY AND WARMER.
AND SO ANYWAY, WE EXPERIENCED A LOT OF DIFFERENT SEASONS, BUT IT WAS A GREAT EVENT THAT HABITAT FOR HUMANITY DOES SUCH A WONDERFUL JOB, TRYING TO HELP CREATE HOME OWNERSHIP FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO MAY NOT HAVE THE MEANS TO GET THERE AND THEY SUPPORT IT.
AND SO, UM, IF YOU SEE AN EVENT LIKE THAT, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO GET INVOLVED AND HELP THEM OUT.
UM, THE OTHER THING THAT I DID LAST WEEK WAS I WENT TO THE GRADUATION OF NEW VOLUNTEER RECRUITS FOR THE WARREN COUNTY, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT AND RESCUE.
AND, UM, THAT WAS A WONDERFUL CELEBRATION OF A LOT OF HOURS COMMITTED TO BECOME VOLUNTEERS.
SO NOT EVEN PAID THESE KIDS, THESE YOUNG PEOPLE, I SHOULDN'T SAY KIDS.
EVERYBODY'S A KID TO ME THESE DAYS, YOUNG PEOPLE WHO WERE, UM, PUT IN SO MANY HOURS TO BECOME A VOLUNTEER, A, A QUALIFIED VOLUNTEER, AND THE CELEBRATION WAS WONDERFUL.
MS. COLOURS WAS THERE REPRESENTING THE BOARD.
UM, I ALSO WANT TO CELEBRATE THAT THE FRONT ROYAL WARREN COUNTY, UH, TOURISM AGREEMENT IS FINALLY SIGNED BY PEOPLE.
UH, SO I BUY BOTH SIDES AND WE ACTUALLY, AFTER TWO YEARS, TWO MONTHS, FOUR HOURS AND 36 MINUTES, WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT.
AND SO WE WILL BE WORKING FORWARD, I THINK, TO, UH, TO GET THAT FINALIZED.
I THINK THERE MIGHT BE SOME TWEAKS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE MADE, BUT AT LEAST WE HAVE A FOUNDATIONAL AGREEMENT MOVING FORWARD.
AND THEN, UH, YESTERDAY ALONG WITH, UM, MS. COOK, I ATTENDED THE, UM, THE BUDGET CONVERSATION WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD.
AND, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT SOME TOUGH DECISIONS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DO, MAKE TOUGH DECISIONS ABOUT YOUR TAX DOLLARS.
AND, UH, I ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY IN GOVERNMENT TO NEVER FORGET THAT GOVERNMENT HAS NO MONEY OF ITS OWN.
IT HAS TO COME FROM SOMEBODY ELSE'S HARD WORK.
SO, UM, THAT WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE SOME TOUGH DECISIONS AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN THIS BUDGET SEASON.
UM, MY REPORT, I ATTENDED THE FIRE GRADUATION AS WELL.
I WAS HONORED TO BE ABLE TO HAND OUT THEIR NAME TAGS THAT THEY PUT ON HAND.
IF THEY GET TO A FIRE SCENE, THEY GIVE THOSE TO THE COMMANDER IN CHARGE SO THAT THEY HAVE A BOARD WHERE THEY KEEP TRACK OF WHERE EVERYONE IS.
SO, UM, WE HAD FIVE GRADUATE GRADUATES NOW, SIX GRADUATES, BETHANY BOSSERMAN, SHE'LL BE STATIONED AT STATION ONE, JONATHAN BUELLER AT STATION ONE, TAYLOR CARRUTHERS STATION ONE, KIERSTEN KENNEDY, UH, STATION ONE, DYLAN MARTIN IS STATION ONE AND JEFFREY MONTY AT STATION FOUR.
AND IF YOU'RE WONDERING STATION ONE, UM, THEY'RE NOT ALL THERE AT ONE TIME, BUT THAT STATION COVERS THE WHOLE COUNTY, UM, AND GOES ON ALMOST ALL THE CALLS.
SO THAT'S WHY IT'S A LITTLE HEAVIER ON THAT.
AND I WILL NOTE THAT THERE WERE THREE LADIES IN THAT GROUP.
UM, ON MARCH 30TH, I ATTENDED MY HUSBAND'S ON THE FARM BUREAU BOARD FOR IN-PAGE COUNTY, UM, FARM BUREAUS AND INSURANCE COMPANY, BUT THEY HAVE LOBBYISTS THAT WORK ON BEHALF OF FARMERS.
AND SO THEY WERE HAVING A DINNER MEETING.
UM, HE JOKINGLY CAME HOME AND SAID, I INVITED YOU TO GO TO THIS DINNER BECAUSE THEY SAID, WE'RE GOING TO LEARN HOW TO DEAL WITH OUR SUPERVISORS.
THEN AFTER 45 YEARS OF MARRIAGE, I THOUGHT, WELL, IF YOU NEED TO GO TO A MEETING TO DO THAT, THEN LET'S GO, IT'S
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FREE DINNER.SO, UM, BUT IT WAS A, IT WAS A REALLY NICE DINNER AT BOWLING GREEN.
AND THEN WE HAD A DISCUSSION, UH, MRS. UM, SOURS HER HUSBAND'S ON THAT SAME BOARD.
SO WE WERE DINNER MATES THAT NIGHT.
IT WAS A GOOD, A GOOD EVENING IN IT.
UH, THERE WAS A SOLAR DISCUSSION AND, UM, I, IF I HAD KNOWN MORE, I WOULD HAVE INVITED SOME OF OUR STAFF TO GO AND HEAR THIS PRESENTATION.
I WAS, UM, IT WAS VERY INFORMATIVE AND I THINK IT'S INFORMATION WE NEED TO HAVE.
SO I ASKED THE PRESENTER IF SHE WAS WILLING TO DO THAT FOR US.
AND SHE IS, AND I HAD TWO REPRESENTATIVES, ONE FROM CHANDON COUNTY, ONE FROM CLARK COUNTY SAY, WELL, IF YOU GET THIS GOING, CAN WE COME? SO I'M HOPING TO SEND OUT AN INVITATION TODAY TO CHANDELLE COUNTY, FREDERICK COUNTY, ALL OF OUR SURROUNDING COUNTIES TO SEE IF THEY WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS REGIONAL WORKSHOP ON, UH, APRIL 26 AT 6:00 PM HERE.
AND, UM, I THINK WE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN NEVER STOP LEARNING ON THINGS.
UM, I ATTENDED THE BREAKFAST AT RIVERMONT, UM, CHURCHES AND FIRE DEPARTMENTS HAVE THE BEST FOOD JUST SAYING, AND IT WAS A REALLY NICE BREAKFAST.
I TOOK MY GRANDDAUGHTER AND SHE, THEY TOOK HER OUT.
SHE GOT TO PLAY ON THE FIRE TRUCK.
SHE HAD A BALL AND SHE MET A NEW LITTLE FRIEND WHO WAS HAVING THE SAME RUN AROUND, GET THE ENERGY OUT, ENJOYING THAT, THAT AFTERNOON.
I ATTENDED THE GIRLS SOFTBALL OPENING, UM, 244.
UM, AND THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK WE NEED TO WORK A LITTLE ON IS GETTING THESE GIRLS A BETTER PLACE TO PLAY.
AND, UH, I LOOK FORWARD TO TRYING TO GET THAT, UM, UH, JUST WANT TO THROW OUT FOR, UM, PUBLIC SERVICE ON THAT.
WE HAVE A SPAGHETTI DINNER COMING UP THIS SATURDAY FROM FOUR TO SEVEN FOR OUR ROUTINE GROUP.
WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DO IT BECAUSE OF COVID FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS, BUT WE DO THIS TO RAISE MONEY, TO GIVE SCHOLARSHIPS TO EACH OF THE HIGH SCHOOLS, GRADUATING SENIORS.
AND WE HAVE THREE SCHOLARSHIPS THAT WE GIVE OUT.
WE TRY TO GIVE $1,500 TO EACH.
WE HAD TO BACK THAT DOWN BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THE RESOURCES.
SO WE'RE HOPING THAT, UM, IT'S ALL YOU CAN EAT SPAGHETTI.
UM, WE HAVE MEATS ALSO NON-MEAT SAUCE, DESSERTS, EVERYTHING'S INCLUSIVE.
AND, UM, WE, IT'S A FREEWILL OFFERING.
WE ARE HOPING TO GET AT LEAST $8 A MEAL, BUT IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD $8, NOBODY'S GOING AWAY HUNGRY.
SO I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO, TO PLEASE COME OUT AND HELP SUPPORT US.
SO WE CAN DO THESE SCHOLARSHIPS ON SATURDAY AT SKYLINE HIGH SCHOOL IN THE CAFETERIA.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A VALOR AWARDS FOR, UM, OUR FIRE EMS, OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, OUR TOWN POLICE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS.
I THINK THIS WAS DONE FOR YEARS THROUGH THE CHAMBER, AND THEN IT KIND OF FELL TO THE WAYSIDE AND I'M PROUD TO SAY, MY SON HAS WON TWO OF THESE AWARDS.
HE'S A DEPUTY AND FREDERICK COUNTY.
AND AS I SAT THERE, I THOUGHT, WHY ARE WE NOT DOING THIS? WE NEED HONOR OUR, OUR PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTY AS WELL.
SO THURSDAY, AUGUST 21ST, UM, APRIL, APRIL, WHO, UM, WE'RE JUMPING WAY AHEAD HERE.
UH, APRIL 21ST, UM, OUT AT SHENANDOAH VALLEY GOLF CLUB AND, UM, IT'S $45 A TICKET WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PAYING FOR THE RECIPIENTS IN THERE PLUS ONE, BUT, UH, IF YOU HAVE AN INTEREST IN THAT, WE'LL GIVE YOU MORE INFORMATION ON THAT.
AND LASTLY, MARCH 29TH WAS NATIONAL VIETNAM WAR A WAR VETERANS DAY, AND IS COMMEMORATING THE 50TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE WAR IN 1973, THE LAST COMBAT TROOPS DEPARTED VIETNAM AND MARCH 29TH.
THIS DATE WAS ALSO THE DAY HANOI RELEASED THE LAST OF ITS ACKNOWLEDGED PRISONERS OF WAR MARCH 29TH, HONORS.
EVERYONE WHO SERVED ON ACTIVE DUTY IN THE U S ARMED FORCES FROM NUMBER FIRST OF 1955 TO MAY 15TH, 1975.
AND AS MR. CARTER SAID, WHEN HE WAS DOING HIS PUBLIC COMMENT, I DO HAVE A COUSIN WHO'S ON THE LAWN OF THE COURTHOUSE.
LARRY EAST MEDLEY DIED DECEMBER 21ST, 1967, AND HE WAS POSTHUMOUSLY AWARDED THE UNITED STATES HIGHEST MEDAL OF HONOR, THE DECK, UH, THE MEDAL OF HONOR FOR HIS ACTIONS IN DECEMBER OF 1967 AND NATE KWAN NAMED PROVINCE.
I DON'T KNOW IF I SAY THAT RIGHT.
AND THIS IS THE THING THAT ALWAYS AMAZES ME.
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HE WAS 18 YEARS OLD.HE COULDN'T BE SENT ABROAD UNTIL HE WAS 18.
HE, I CAN'T IMAGINE BEING 18 YEARS OLD AND GOING THROUGH.
SO MAY WE NEVER FORGET ALL THOSE WHO SERVED US TO GIVE US THE PRIVILEGES THAT WE HAVE TODAY, AND THAT'S MY REPORT.
MA'AM UH, WOULD REMIND YOU THAT NEXT TUESDAY YOU HAVE AT 7:00 PM, YOU HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE BUDGET.
UH, PRIOR TO THAT AT 6:00 PM, WE WILL HAVE A JOINT CLOSED SESSION WITH THE TOWN COUNCIL HERE.
AND, UM, THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE HAVE THE PRELIMINARY BUDGET.
THE BUDGET IS NOT FINAL UNTIL THE STATE BUDGET IS COMPLETE BECAUSE WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE THE FINAL FOUR SCHOOL FUNDING FOR THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS FOR DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES.
AND WE DON'T KNOW THE OUTCOME TOTALLY OF THE GROCERY TAX AND ALL OF THOSE ARE GOING TO IMPACT OUR, UH, FINAL BUDGET, WHAT IT IS.
SO WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE HIGH NUMBER TO CONSIDER ON THE 12TH AND HOW WE'LL REDUCE THAT.
I DO NOT ANTICIPATE THAT WE WILL HAVE THE VOTE ON THE BUDGET ON THE 19TH, BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE THE STATE WILL HAVE THEIR BUDGET COMPLETE AND THE DATA TO US BY THAT TIME, I BELIEVE IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE MAY 3RD AT THE EARLIEST.
UM, THIS IS COLORS MENTIONED MAY 20 ROCK, APRIL 26TH, 6:00 PM.
UH, THE MEETING ON SOLAR, UH, DEPENDING UPON HOW LONG THAT IS, WE WILL NEED TO HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL TIME TO TALK ABOUT THE CAR TAX AND THE SCHOOL BUDGET BEFORE MAY, WHEN YOU VOTE ON THE BUDGET.
AND WE HAVE, UH, A BRIEF PRESENTATION ON THE, UH, THAT, UH, MR. ROBERTSON HAS PUT TOGETHER ON THE CAR TAX.
WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU FOR A DECISION TODAY.
THIS IS JUST A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION TO PUT OUT THERE AND LET YOU SEE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
SO I'M GONNA LET HIM DO THIS NOW.
SO I'M JUST GOING TO DO A VERY BRIEF PRESENTATION ON PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX AND WHERE WE ARE, BUT TO START JUST A LITTLE BIT OF A HISTORY.
SO WE KNOW WHERE WE GOT IN 1998, THE COMMONWEALTH INITIATED A FIVE-YEAR PLAN THAT WAS GOING TO COMPLETELY ELIMINATE CAR TAXES.
SO THEY'RE GOING TO PAY IT BASICALLY IN LIEU.
AND THEY WERE GOING TO SUBSIDIZE WHAT THE TAXPAYERS WERE PAYING BY 2001.
THEY REALIZED THAT IT WAS PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT TOO EXPENSIVE.
SO THEY PLAN, THEY WERE GOING TO CAP IT AT 70% OF WHAT COUNTIES ARE RECEIVING FROM PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES.
TWO YEARS LATER, IN 2004, THEY CHANGED THAT FROM A PERCENTAGE OF 70% TO WHAT THE HARD NUMBER WAS IN TOTAL THAT THEY GAVE TO LOCALITIES.
SO IN EFFECT, WHAT THAT DOES IS EVERY YEAR AS VALUATIONS RISE, THEIR PERCENTAGE DROPS BECAUSE THEY ONLY GIVE A FLAT AMOUNT.
SO FOR US, IT'S FOUR AND A HALF MILLION.
SO AS IT GOES EVERY SINGLE YEAR, THEY'LL ONLY GIVE FOUR AND A HALF MILLION, BUT THE TAXPAYERS HAVE TO COME UP WITH THE REST OF THE PICKERS.
SO WHAT THAT'S DONE IS WHERE THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO PAY 100% OF VEHICLE TAXES BACK IN 98.
THEN AFTER 2002, IT WAS GOING TO BE 70%.
NOW THAT THEY'VE SET THE HARD CAP, IT'S ACTUALLY BETWEEN 30 AND 35% FOR THE MAJORITY OF LOCALITIES.
AND YOU CAN SEE HERE AT THE BOTTOM, WHAT WARREN COUNTY'S BEEN SINCE TAX YEAR 2019.
IF WE WERE GOING TO EQUALIZE EVERYTHING AND NOT CHANGE THE TAX RATE FOR PERSONAL PROPERTY THIS YEAR, IT WOULD BE DOWN TO 31% IS WHAT THE STATE ACTUALLY PROVIDES FOR US.
SO THAT GETS US INTO THIS YEAR.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE SEEING FROM LAST TAX YEAR TO THIS TAX YEAR.
SO YOU HAVE ABOUT 14,000 VEHICLES ARE GOING TO DECREASE IN VALUE, WHICH IS 35% OF ALL THE VEHICLES.
MOST OTHERS ONES IN THAT ARE GOING TO INCREASE IN VALUE SLIGHTLY.
SO YOU HAVE ABOUT 36% ARE INCREASING FROM 1000 TO $6,000.
AND THEN YOU HAVE SOME OF THE HIGHER TOTALS ABOUT 2000 OR 5% ARE GOING FROM 6,000 TO 10,000, WHICH IS MORE OF A JUMP THAN WE SEE IN TRADITIONAL YEARS.
OH, AND ALSO THE STATE ONLY OFFSETS PAYMENTS THAT ARE UNDER $20,000 IN VALUE.
SO ANY VEHICLE OVER 20,000, YOU'RE PAYING 100%.
YOU'RE NOT GETTING OFFSET BY THE STATE AT ALL.
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HOW MANY OF THOSE VEHICLES ARE OVER $20,000? SO THAT'S WHAT I'LL CHECK WITH SHERRY SO THAT WE CAN GET EXACTLY HOW MANY ARE RETURNING.IT'S REALLY PERTINENT TO THIS
WELL, THERE'S SOME THAT 2 54 AT THE TOP, THAT 0.0 0.6, 5%.
AND WHAT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE TALKING YESTERDAY WITH THE MR. SAUERS ABOUT IS WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE VEHICLES BELOW ARE ALREADY AT THE 20,000 LEVEL, WHAT YOU'RE ASKING THERE.
THAT THAT WOULD BE, YEAH, THAT WOULD BE A PERTINENT PIECE OF DATA, UM, TO HAVE SO THAT WE CAN EVALUATE COMPLETELY WHAT THE IMPACT TO THIS APPRECIATION IS DOING TO OUR TAXPAYERS.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT OUR RECEIPTS FOR WHAT WE ACTUALLY GET FOR PERSONAL PROPERTY, SO THIS INCLUDES THE PORTION THAT THE STATE GIVES US THAT FOUR AND A HALF MILLION AND FISCAL YEAR 21, WE GOT ABOUT $19 MILLION.
WE'RE EXPECTING A LITTLE OVER 19 MILLION.
THAT IS DEPENDENT UPON WHAT YOU DO WITH THE TAX RATE, WITH THIS BUDGET BECAUSE TAX YEARS AND FISCAL YEARS DO NOT ALIGN.
SO WHAT WE RECEIVE IN JUNE WILL BE IN THIS FISCAL YEAR, BUT WE'LL BE SET WITH THE TAX RATE.
SO I THINK WE NEED A LITTLE MORE OF AN EXPLANATION IN THERE IN THE PRIOR REPORTING THAT YOU HAVE RECEIVED THE 2021 ACTUAL WAS 20 MILLION, 700,000 OR 200,000, I THINK IN EITHER CASE IT WAS 20 MILLION RATHER THAN THE 1927 THERE.
AND SO WE WERE LOOKING THAT TWO YEARS WE WOULD INCREASE APPROXIMATELY 5%, TWO AND A HALF PERCENT EACH YEAR BECAUSE OF THE TRADING OF VEHICLES.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE GOT THAT 21, 180 2 THAT'S DOWN THERE FOR THIS NEW BUDGET, BECAUSE WHAT MATT FOUND WAS THAT A MILLION MILLION, FIVE WAS ACTUALLY FROM THE PRIOR YEAR, RATHER THAN FROM 2021.
SO WE HAD TO BACK THAT OUT OF THAT NUMBER TO MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT APPLES AND APPLES MONEY DIDN'T GO ANY PLACE IT'S JUST IN THE PRIOR YEAR.
SO IT MOVES THAT 16 AND A HALF THAT WAS THERE FOR 20 UP TO 18.
SOMETHING MAKES IT CLOSER TO THE 19 IS WHERE IT GOES, BUT WE WILL NEED TO ADJUST THAT 21, 180 2 BACK TO MAKE IT APPROPRIATE TO THE 19 0 19 100,000 THERE FOR THIS CURRENT YEAR.
AND THAT MEANS SOMEWHERE IN TERMS OF PROBABLY 1,000,001 AT THE HIGH NUMBER AND 350,000 AT THE LOW NUMBER THAT WE WILL PLAY WITH IN THIS BUDGET TO REDUCE THE EXPENDITURES ON THAT SIDE TO MEET THAT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT RAISING ANY OF THE REVENUES.
SO JUST WHEN YOU SEE THE PROPOSAL THERE, THAT'S HOW WE, HOW WE'RE GOING WITH IT.
SOMEBODY IS GOING TO HAVE TO GIVE ME A VISUAL.
I, I AM, YEAH, THAT, I MEAN, WE WERE ALL OVER THE PLACE.
SO IS IT BECAUSE THE YEAR THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE AVERAGING IS A, UM, FISCAL YEAR AND NOT A CALENDAR YEAR, IS THAT WHERE THE DIFFERENCES ARE? SO WE BUILD FOR CALENDAR, BUT WE BUDGET FOR FISCAL.
SO THERE IN LIES ALL THE DISCREPANCIES IN TERMS OF HOW WE CALCULATE.
AND PUT IT BACK OVER WITH A, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO TAKE A, AND PUT IT BACK UP THERE WITH B, ET CETERA.
EVEN WHEN YOU SEE THEY, SHE BREAKS IT DOWN AND IT SHOWS US BOTH OF THEM.
THERE WAS ONLY GOVERNMENT PEOPLE.
DO WE HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR THIS THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY HAVE? YES.
THIS WAS JUST THE START TO GET YOU SOMETHING TO JUST AN EMAIL OR A PRINT OR SOMETHING.
THE ISSUE IS HOW WE REDUCE THE TOP, BUT NOT REDUCE THE BOTTOM TOO MUCH BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY
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EQUAL OR BELOW WHERE THEY WERE AND ANYTHING THAT WE DO ON ONE SIDE WE HAVE TO DO ON THE HOUR.SO THERE'S, WE'VE GOT TO FIND A BALANCE IN THERE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
IT'S LIKE AN ALGEBRAIC EQUATION.
SO, SO THE EASIEST WAY TO FIX THIS WOULD BE GO BACK, ELIMINATE CAR TAX AT STATE LEVEL.
WELL, IF THE STATE PAID WHAT THEY HAD ORIGINALLY PROMISED, THIS WOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE RIGHT.
THEN, THEN IT WOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE.
EVEN IF THEY JUST PAID THE 70%, WHAT THEY PROMISED THE SECOND TIME FIRST PROMISE WAS THEY WERE GOING TO PAY IT ALL.
AND THEY SAID, THEY HAVE ALL THIS EXTRA MONEY.
THIS IS THEIR OPPORTUNITY, MAN.
SO MR. MR. HAM LEFT, BUT I WAS GOING TO ASK WHAT HIS, HIS VIEW OR HIS OPINION IS.
SO THE, THE VIRGINIA ASSEMBLY MADE A DECISION TO ALLOW LOCALITIES TO WORK WITH THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL CAR TAX SITUATIONS LAST SESSION BEFORE THEY LEFT.
BUT I DON'T KNOW THE NUANCES OF THE LEGALITIES OF THAT.
AND SO DOES I, HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET, UM, MR. HAM'S OPINION ON WHAT IT ALLOWS THE LOCALITIES TO ACTUALLY DO.
OUR NEXT WORK SESSION ON THIS, UH, WE'LL HAVE MORE AND WE'LL HAVE SOME LEGAL PARAMETERS WITH IT.
HE'S DOING SOMETHING FOR THE CLOSED SESSIONS, WHAT HE'S DOING RIGHT NOW.
AND, UH, YOUR NEXT REGULAR DAY MEETING IS MAY 3RD ON THE 10TH.
WE WILL NEED TO, AT SOME POINT IN THERE WRAP UP WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO WITH THESE VARIABLES FROM THE STATE AND THE CAR TAX AND THE SCHOOL BUDGET.
SO THAT BY THE 10TH, YOU CAN BE LOOKING AT ADOPTING A BUDGET IS WHAT WE'RE HOPING.
IF NOT THAT THEN MAYBE IT WILL HAVE TO BE THE 24TH OF MAY.
UM, YESTERDAY YOU MENTIONED YESTERDAY, WE MET WITH SCHOOLS AND TALKED ABOUT, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THE MINNOW AND THE POND.
WE MISSED THE WHALE, THE BUDGET.
SO I WILL BE, THEY WERE CONCERNED.
WE NEED TO SEND A WRITTEN NOTIFICATION.
I WILL BE NOTIFYING THE SUPERINTENDENT TODAY OF A ONE-YEAR NOTICE TO DISCONTINUE THE PARKS MOWING FOR THE SCHOOLS.
AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE NOW ON THAT MAY 3RD, UM, MORNING MEETING, UM, MR. SMITH FROM V DOT HAD SAID WE NEEDED TO, UM, MAKE A DATE FOR THE SIX YEAR PLAN.
WOULD THAT BE A GOOD DAY TO DO THAT AFTER OUR, UM, HAVE THAT WORK SESSION AFTER THAT MORNING MEETING? YES.
AND WE'LL PUT THAT ON FOR THE, THE WORK SESSION THERE.
THANK YOU, MRS. COOK, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR DR.
DALEY CLARIFICATION? UM, GOING BACK TO THE SCHOOL.
SO WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM A, ONE-YEAR NOTICE THAT WE'RE NO LONGER GOING TO, UM, WORK ON THE GROUNDS.
SO DOES THAT MEAN THIS FISCAL YEAR, WE'RE GOING TO STILL CONTINUE WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IN THE PAST WITH THEM, WE WILL BE PROPOSING A REVISED AMENDMENT AT THIS NEXT MEETING, AS PER THE DISCUSSIONS WHERE, UM, THE SCHOOLS WILL TAKE CARE OF THE FIELDS WE WILL DO, AND THEY WILL TAKE CARE OF THEIR CHEMICALS AND MULCHING AND SO FORTH.
AND WE WILL DO THE GENERAL PURPOSE MOWING.
UH, WE WILL INTEND TO CONTINUE THAT FOR THIS NEXT YEAR, IF THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO GIVE THEM THE YEAR, BUT WE INTEND TO HAVE THIS PROPOSAL BASED ON YESTERDAY'S CONVERSATION, UH, TO ELIMINATE THE FIELDS, UM, ASAP.
HOW MANY FIELDS ARE WE TALKING? IS IT TWO FIELDS AT THE HIGH SCHOOLS? I THINK THERE MAY, THERE'S A COUPLE ATHLETIC FIELDS AT THE MIDDLE SCHOOLS, BUT PRIMARILY THE HIGH SCHOOLS.
AND WHEN DID, WHEN DO WE PLAN TO HAVE A WORK SESSION ON THE, I'M LOOKING AT REORGANIZING PUBLIC WORKS, PARKS AND RECS AND ALL THAT.
DO YOU MEAN THE CONSTRUCTION CREW MA'AM WELL, HOWEVER I KNOW WE'VE, WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS IN THE PAST ABOUT HOW WE CAN, UM, ORGANIZE THOSE GROUPS TO BE THE MOST EFFICIENT.
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PROBABLY, WE PROBABLY WON'T GET THAT BACK TILL MAY.AND THE INTENT WAS TO DO THAT WHEN THEY MOVED OUT OF THE MAUI, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO KEEP THAT THE MOWING FOR A BIT.
SO WE'LL BE WORKING ON THAT IN ADDITION AT THE SAME TIME TO BE MOVING THAT IN.
AND UNTIL WE GET OUR PROCUREMENT AND OUR INVENTORY LIST AND ALL THAT, I'D LIKE TO, TO PUT A HOLD ON BIG EQUIPMENT AND THINGS LIKE THAT UNTIL WE, WE HAVE A GOOD IDEA OF WHAT INVENTORY WE HAVE, WHERE IT'S AT.
UM, SO WE, WE ARE MAKING BETTER CHOICES ON PURCHASES INSTEAD OF GETTING, MAYBE WE'VE GOT SOMETHING HERE AND THEN WE JUST BOUGHT IT FOR OVER HERE, YOU KNOW, TYPE THING.
I JUST LIKE TO HAVE A BETTER IDEA.
MA'AM WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
UH, 1130 THAT'D BE ABOUT, OKAY.
I'M SO SORRY, JUST SO I UNDERSTAND.
SO GOING BACK TO THE REORGANIZED, LIKE REORGANIZING THESE TWO DEPARTMENTS, YOU'RE SAYING THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE A, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THE SCHOOL BOARD THE ONE YEAR NOTICE THAT'S GOING TO BE PUT ON THE BACK BURNER, OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN STILL DO MOVING ALONG WITH MRS. LOGAN SHE'S GUARDING.
AS GOD A, UH, WORKING WITH PARKS AND PUBLIC WORKS ON A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT LIST.
SO THE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LIST OF ALL THE PROJECTS THAT EVERYBODY'S GOING TO WORK ON.
THEN WE'RE GOING TO COME AND LOOK AT THE BEST WAY TO UTILIZE OUR VARIOUS PERSONNEL.
AND THAT'S PART OF THAT REORGANIZATION PIECE.
FOLLOWS, FITS INTO PEACE THERE TO MAKE THE PUBLIC WORKS.
CONSTRUCTIONS, PUBLIC WORKS, GENERAL SERVICES, MAINTENANCE, MORE OF PUBLIC WORKS, GENERAL SERVICES, CONSTRUCTION AND MAINTENANCE.
WE WILL GET THROUGH THIS FOR DR.
DID YOU WANT TO ASK MR. HAMPSHIRE? YEAH.
MR. HAM, I KNOW THAT THE VIRGINIA ASSEMBLY MADE A DECISION ABOUT HOW LOCALITIES CAN HANDLE, UM, THE APPRECIATION OF VEHICLES IN THIS NEXT TAX YEAR.
DO YOU KNOW THE SPECIFICS LEGALLY, LEGALLY OF WHAT THEY ARE ALLOWING THE LOCALITIES TO DO? YOU KNOW, I, ONE OF MY ATTORNEYS IN MY OFFICE EMAILED ME SOMETHING THAT I FORWARDED TO ED AND I CONFESS THAT I DID NOT FOCUS ON THAT SO I CAN DIG IT UP AND, UH, RESPOND TO YOU.
I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF YOU HAD IT OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD, BECAUSE I KNOW LAST WEEK, AND IT WAS JUST LAST WEEK OR WEEK BEFORE THAT THEY MADE THE DECISION ABOUT HOW LOCALITIES CAN HANDLE THE CAR TAX.
BECAUSE ACROSS THE STATE, EVERYBODY WAS CONCERNED THAT EFFECTIVELY BECAUSE OF THE UNUSUAL APPRECIATION OF VEHICLES, PEOPLE WERE GETTING A TAX INCREASE JUST FLAT AT 40 MINUTES, 40 AND A HALF PERCENT IS THE AVERAGE APPRECIATION IN VEHICLES.
I'D RATHER THE CLIENT'S TALKING ABOUT THAT TOO.
SO THERE IS SOME, EXCUSE ME, LEGISLATION ON THIS.
I DO NOT REMEMBER WHAT IT SAYS.
SO JUST ANOTHER THOUGHT, MAN, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING TO ALL YOUR FRIENDLY LEGISLATORS, YOU MIGHT REMIND THEM IF THEY JUST ALLOWED US TO USE THE JANUARY 20, 21 BUT VALUES INSTEAD OF HAVING TO GO TO 20, 22 PUTS YOU AT THE SAME LEVEL AS TO WHERE YOU ARE CURRENTLY.
AND THAT WOULD BE A SIMPLE FACTS, SIMPLE AS NEVER IN THE EQUATION.
WE HAVE WITNESSED TODAY WITH THE PRESENTATION OF MAT AND YOU'RE MUCH SAFER WHEN YOUR LEGISLATORS ARE AT HOME.
MR. HAM, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER REPORT? I DO NOT.
[F. Resolution in Support of US Bike Route 211 – Joe Petty]
MOVING ON.WE'RE AT UNFINISHED BUSINESS RESOLUTION IN SUPPORT OF US BIKE, ROUTE TWO 11, MR. PETTY.
UM, WE HAD SPOKE ON THIS ITEM THIS ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO DURING A LITTLE WORK SESSION.
UM, SO IN FRONT OF YOU IS A PROPOSED RESOLUTION TO SUPPORT US BIKE, ROUTE TWO 11.
UM, THE AA S H T O WHEN DOES AMERICAN ASSOCIATION OF STATE HIGHWAY AND TRANSPORTATION OFFICIALS HAS DESIGNATED THIS BIKE ROUTE CORRIDOR THROUGH VIRGINIA TO BE DEVELOPED AS US BIKE, ROUTE TWO 11 WARREN COUNTY LIES WITHIN THAT CORRIDOR.
AND THE PROPOSED ROUTE WOULD BE SUITABLE FOR BIKE TOURISTS.
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THIS PROJECT IS PART OF A NATIONAL EFFORT TO EXPAND THE U S BIKE ROUTE SYSTEM, WHICH EXPANDS ACROSS 31 STATES, INCLUDING WASHINGTON DC, AND THERE'S NEARLY 18,000 MILES OF US BIKE ROUTES CURRENTLY IN THE U S UM, THE BIKE TOURISM IS A GROWING INDUSTRY FOR OUTDOOR RECREATION.UM, NATIONALLY HERE, UM, OUTDOOR RECREATION IS KIND OF HEADED UP BY, UM, RVN AND CAMPING.
UM, BUT BICYCLING IS GROWING, UM, NOT NEARLY TO THAT LEVEL, BUT IT IS GETTING BETTER.
UM, THERE ARE MULTIPLE JURISDICTIONS THAT FALL WITHIN THIS CORRIDOR.
IT IS, UH, GOES FROM FRONT ROYAL DOWN TO AFTON, VIRGINIA, WHICH IS NEAR STANTON.
IT'S 108 MILES IN TOTAL, AND THERE ARE, UH, THEY'VE RECEIVED LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM STRAUSBERG WOODSTOCK, SHENDO COUNTY AND NEW MARKET.
AT THIS TIME, THERE ARE NINE IN TOTAL THAT THEY ARE SEEKING.
UM, THERE ARE, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHO WOULD BE USING THIS ROUTE AND TO DEFINE THE ROUTES.
EVERYBODY IS AWARE IT BEGINS IN FRONT ROYAL.
UH, WE'LL TAKE YOU OUT OF TOWN SOUTH ON THREE 40, MAKE A RIGHT ON 619, AND THEN YOU WOULD MAKE IMMEDIATE RIGHT ON KATLA MOUNTAIN ROAD, WHICH WOULD TAKE YOU UP BY THE AIRPORT.
UM, YOU WOULD GET ON SIX 19, AGAIN FOR A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME TO JUMP ON STOKES AIRPORT ROAD, WHICH WOULD TAKE YOU OVER TO WAKEMAN MILL.
THEN DOWN, MAKE A RIGHT ON MOUNTAIN ROAD, PAST THE FISH HATCHERY, AND THEN YOU WOULD BE JUMPING ON STRAUSBERG ROAD AND HEAD TOWARDS STRAUSBERG.
ONCE YOU GET IN STRAUSBERG, YOU WOULD HEAD SOUTH KIND OF PARALLELING, ROUTE 1181 ALL THE WAY DOWN THE STAND.
THE FOLKS WHO USE THIS TYPE ARE EXPERIENCED CYCLIST.
MAYBE THEY'RE GOING CROSS COUNTRY.
MAYBE THEY'RE GOING TO EAST COAST AND THEY'RE FOLLOWING THESE US BIKE ROUTES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.
UM, THESE ARE AGAIN EXPERIENCED CYCLISTS.
THIS IS NOT YOUR FAMILY WEEKEND BIKE TRIP.
UM, THEY ARE GOING MULTIPLE DAYS OR WEEKS AT THAT RATE.
SO THERE WOULD BE A POTENTIAL FOR SIGNAGE ALONG THE ROUTE.
THERE WOULD BE NO INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS.
AGAIN, THE CYCLISTS ARE USED TO RIDING ON ROADS WITH MIXED TRAFFIC ALL THE TIME.
IF, UH, FUNDING IS AVAILABLE, SIGNAGE COULD BE PLACED BY V DOT OR, YOU KNOW, IF THERE WAS DONATION OR SOMETHING.
SO THEY WILL LOOK AT THAT SIGNAGE WOULD HELP MAKING FOLKS AWARE THAT THERE MAY BE CYCLISTS.
UM, THEY ANTICIPATE A THOUSAND TO 2000 CYCLISTS KIND OF PER SEASON, WHICH WOULD BE LIKE PER YEAR TO BE USED IN THIS ROUTES.
IT'S SO AGAIN, IT WOULDN'T BE THIS HIGH DEMAND OF CYCLISTS THAT WOULD BE GOING THROUGH.
AND WHILE IT BEGINS IN FRONT ROYAL, I WOULD THINK THAT MOST OF THE CYCLISTS ON THIS ROUTE MAY BE COMING FROM OTHER LOCALITIES.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE STARTING HERE.
THEY MAY BE COMING FROM THE NORTH OR ARE COMING UP FROM THE SOUTH, BUT THIS IS JUST THE U S BIKE ROUTE TWO 11 WOULD START HERE.
AND THESE ROUTES ARE DETERMINED BY LOOKING AT ROADS THAT HAVE LOW TRAFFIC.
UM, THERE, THERE, AS DIRECT AS YOU CAN GET, OBVIOUSLY TO GET TO SHAW'S BERG FROM FRONT ROYAL, THE QUICKEST ROUTE WOULD BE, UM, STRAUSBERG ROAD, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO DIVERT SOME OF THE CYCLISTS OFF OF THAT MAJOR THOROUGHFARE.
SO THEY'VE IDENTIFIED POINTS OF INTEREST, UM, SCENIC ROUTES, AND THEN ALSO AS DIRECT AS POSSIBLE BY ALSO REACHING THEM TO AMENITIES SUCH AS BIKE SHOPS, MOTELS, RESTAURANTS, AND THINGS ALONG THEIR TRAVELS.
UM, YOU DO HAVE THE DRAFT RESOLUTION IN FRONT OF YOU.
UM, WE DID REACH OUT, UM, WE HAD, YOU KNOW, SOME QUESTIONS THAT HAD COME IN OVER THE TIME.
WE WERE ABLE TO PUT THIS OUT ON FACEBOOK.
UM, SOME OTHER ORGANIZATIONS WERE ABLE TO SHARE IT.
UM, WE, WE GOT SOME COMMENTS AND SOME QUESTIONS, UM, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IS IT SAFE, UH, WHO, WHO MANAGES IT? WOULD THERE BE SIGNAGE AGAIN? SO THESE ARE ALL ON STATE ROADS.
SO THE ROADS WOULD BE MANAGED BY V.AS THEY ARE TODAY.
AND AGAIN, SIGNAGE WOULD BECOME AVAILABLE.
FUNDING WERE AVAILABLE FOR IT.
UM, THERE'S NO LIABILITY TO THE COUNTY FOR THIS.
UM, AGAIN, IT'S, THESE CYCLISTS ARE GONNA USE THESE ROADS REGARDLESS.
UM, I THINK THIS JUST PUTS IT OUT THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WERE TO GOOGLE MAP YOUR TRIP, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE STRAUSBERG ROAD IS THE DIRECT ROUTE.
AND I THINK WITH HAVING THESE DESIGNATED ROUTES.
IT WOULD HAVE PEOPLE TAKE THESE RATHER THAN THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARES.
UM, CAUSE EVEN GOOGLE MAPS HAS A FEATURE WHERE YOU CAN TURN ON BIKING AND IT MAY JUST PUT YOU RIGHT ON THOSE MAJOR ROUTES BECAUSE IT'S THE SHORTEST AND MOST DIRECT.
BUT I THINK IN A, FROM A TRUE SAFETY STANDPOINT, IT WOULD BE BEST TO HAVE THEM GO OFF.
THE OTHER THING BEAT OUT MENTIONED, UM, EVERY YEAR THEY HAVE 2% ALLOWANCE
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FOR SHOULDER WIDING WIDENING.UM, WHEN THERE'S INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS, THERE'S A LOT OF COMPETITION FOR THAT 2%, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY IS WE'VE BEEN SLOWLY WORKING ON A BIKE AND PET PLAN, IDENTIFYING ROADS THAT MAY SEE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS FOR THIS TYPE OF THING.
THE U S BIKE ROUTE DESIGNATION DOES HELP IN THAT SCORING AND FINDING A LITTLE BIT MORE IMPORTANCE THAT IF V DOT WERE TO COME IN AND DO SOME ROAD IMPROVEMENTS ON ANY OF THESE, YOU KNOW, KNOWING THAT IT IS A DESIGNATED BIKE ROUTE MIGHT HELP WITH THAT PRIORITY TO GET SOME OF THAT ADDITIONAL FUNDING, IF THERE WERE GOING TO BE ANY ROAD IMPROVEMENTS DONE, UM, ON ANY OF THEM.
SO AGAIN, IF YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS I PROVIDE YOU WITH THE DRAFT RESOLUTION, UM, WE DID SHARE THE ROUTE ITSELF.
IT'S AN INTERACTIVE MAP ONLINE, THE, UH, PRESENTATION WE SHARED WITH YOU AS WELL, BUT I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE TODAY, OR IF YOU'VE RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS BACK THAT YOU WANTED TO ADDRESS THIS MORNING.
WELL, WE KNOW THAT THIS ABOUT BIKE ROUTE IS RIGHT THROUGH FORD FORK DISTRICT.
AND THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING ALL MY QUESTIONS THAT I SENT AND HAVING A QUICK RESPONSE.
SO I GUESS EVERYTHING THAT JOE HAS PRESENTED AS BASICALLY HAS ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD ASKED, BUT I DO WANT TO MAKE COMMENTS ABOUT EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, SO TO BEGIN WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, I RECOGNIZE THAT VICE BICYCLING IS AN ALTERNATIVE, UM, MODE OF TRANSPORTATION, YOU KNOW, FOR, UH, RECREATION OR GETTING FROM POINT A TO POINT B FOR WORK AND THAT KIND OF THING.
UM, HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, THE PROPOSE ROUTE THAT IS, UH, THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, I'VE, I, I KNOW THE ROUTE, BUT I DROVE IT SEVERAL TIMES JUST TO MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, I WASN'T BEING EMOTIONAL ABOUT THINGS.
AND, UM, THE, THE ROUTE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF S CURVES ON SOME OF THESE ROUTES, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND AT INC UH, CA CAITLIN MOUNTAIN DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A DIVIDING LANE ROAD THERE.
IT WOULD NOT BE, AS TRAFFIC IS GOING ON SIX, 19 OR 55.
BUT MY CONCERN IS, YOU KNOW, WITH READING THAT V DOTS RESPONSES TO SIGNAGE MODIFYING THE ROADS, THEY, THEY HAVEN'T DONE THE STUDY.
THEY'RE NOT EVEN COMMITTING THAT THEY WILL.
I MEAN, AT THE MINIMUM, I WOULD THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, SAYING, WELL, WE'LL PUT SIGNAGE OUT THERE.
SO AT LEAST OUR MOTORISTS KNOW THAT THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOME BIKES, YOU KNOW, BICYCLISTS ON THE ROAD.
ANOTHER THING THAT I'VE, THAT I, UM, UH, THAT CAME TO, YOU KNOW, MY POINT OF VIEW IS THAT, YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU GET DOWN TO SIX 19, THEN YOU GET ON STOKES.
AND WHEN YOU GET ON STOKES, THE NARROW, THE ROADS NARROW, RIGHT.
AND THEN AS YOU GO FURTHER UP GOING TOWARDS WAKEMAN MILL, THEY DO WIDEN.
BUT AGAIN, THERE'S THE, THEY CAN BE UP TO SPEED LIMITS OF 45 MILES AN HOUR.
AND THEY'RE ALSO REALLY SHARP TURNS THERE AS WELL.
THAT EVEN, AND MAYBE I'M AN OLD LADY WHEN I DRIVE, YOU KNOW, BUT I'M LIKE I EVEN SLOW DOWN BECAUSE I CAN'T SEE OTHER CARDS COMING, YOU KNOW? SO WHEN YOU GO, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A CURRENT CERTAIN WITH THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THIS IS FOR SAFETY, YOU KNOW, BUT I ALSO LOOK AT THE SAFETY OF THE VEHICLES AS WELL, THE PEOPLE IN THE VEHICLES.
SO ANYWAY, SO I GO DOWN AND THEN I MAKE MY LEFT ON THE WAKEMAN, UM, MALE.
AND AGAIN, THERE, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY TURN ON THEIR YOU'RE, AGAIN, YOU'RE LOOKING AT 45 MILES AN HOUR, CARS ARE GOING BACK AND FORTH.
AND AGAIN, THERE'S A, A DOUBLE LANE, SO CARS CAN'T NOT EAT WELL.
I KNOW, YOU KNOW, BUT THERE THAT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THERE, SO YOU DON'T PASS.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER ROADS, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR TO THAT.
SO THEN WHEN I GO AND I MAKE MY RIGHT BACK ON SIX 19 TO GO DOWN TO THE FISH HATCHERY, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S AN ASTRO, THERE'S NO WAY ANYBODY CAN, UM, YOU KNOW, PULL OVER THE ROAD, UH, VEHICLES WILL HAVE TO SLOW DOWN AND I'VE EXPERIENCED THAT MYSELF.
SO THEN WHEN YOU GET ON FORT VALLEY, RIGHT, AND YOU GO PAST THE FIRE STATION, AND THERE'S ANOTHER SHARP PARENT AROUND 45 MILES GOING AROUND, AND THEN THE, THEN THE BICYCLISTS THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CROSS OVER 6 78 TO MESSICK.
MESSICK IS NOT EVEN A PAVED ROAD AND IT'S NARROW FOR THAT MATTER.
SO THEN, THEN OF COURSE YOU GO ALL THE WAY TO 55
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AND THEN THESE FOLKS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE A LEFT ON 55 TO GO INTO STRAUSBERG.SO FOR SOME OF THE RESPONSES FROM THE DOCK IS CONCERNING TO ME, NUMBER ONE, THEY HAVEN'T COMMITTED THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PUT ANY SIGNAGE ON THESE ROADS TO ALERT THE PEOPLE.
NUMBER TWO, THEY HAVEN'T REALLY STUDIED THIS ROUTE TO EVEN DETERMINE IF SIGNAGE IS GOING TO BE REQUIRED.
THEY HAVEN'T, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE NOT MADE A COMMITMENT OF POSSIBLY, YOU KNOW, MODIFYING THE ROADS, YOU KNOW, WITH THE SHOULDERS AND THIS LIKE THAT.
AND I THINK EVEN IN THEIR EMAIL, IT SAID A LOW LIKELIHOOD THAT THEY WOULD, YOU KNOW, SO, UM, I JUST KINDA, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M, I'M LOOKING AT IT.
I KNOW WE SHARE THE ROADS AND I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST BICYCLISTS AT ALL, YOU KNOW, BUT I, I JUST THINK THAT THE, THIS ROUTE THAT THEY'VE CHOSEN IS, IS JUST NOT, I DON'T FEEL GOOD ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW? AND THEN TULSA DID TAKE IT A STEP FURTHER WHEN THEY WERE SAYING NO LIABILITIES.
WELL, IN THE EMAIL THAT I RECEIVE, I DID READ THE LITERATURE, YOU KNOW, THE LINK AND YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT.
THERE'S NO INHERENT LIABILITY.
HOWEVER, THERE IS A FINE PRINT SAYING THAT LOCALITIES, SCHICK SALT WITH THEIR COUNSEL, WITH THEIR COUNTY ATTORNEYS, JUST TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE OF SOME STATES MAY, AND SOME STATES MAY NOT.
SO, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE A JUDGMENT ON, ON THE LIABILITIES BASED ON A, UM, A WHITE PAPER THAT WAS PUBLISHED IN 2010.
SO, YOU KNOW, I, UM, I HAD JUST HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT DOING THIS AND YOU'RE RIGHT.
THEY CAN GO ON GOOGLE MAPS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO FIND A BIKE ROUTE.
AND I DID THAT LAST NIGHT AND ACTUALLY WHAT IT DID, IT TOOK IT SIX 19 TO STOKES AND THEN 55, YOU KNOW, UM, AGAIN, SOME OF MY ISSUES ARE STILL THERE AND MAKE MAKING THE TURNS AND ON 55 AND THE SPEED LIMITS, BUT, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, I, I JUST DON'T FEEL THAT WE'RE READY TO MAKE IT.
I'M NOT READY TO, UM, UH, GO ALONG WITH THIS RESOLUTION UNTIL NUMBER ONE, OUR, UH, OUR COUNCIL TAKES A LOOK AT THAT.
WE ARE TOTALLY WEIGHED RATHER THAN ME READING A WHITE PAPER AND I'M NOT A LEGAL PERSON.
UM, EVEN WITH THE SIGNAGE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S JUST SOME, A LOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS FROM B DOT AND WHAT THEY WILL DO AND WHAT THEY WON'T DO.
AND LASTLY, THE THING THAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW V DOT HAS THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR MAINTAINING THE ROADS, RIGHT.
AND I'M THINKING, WELL, YOU WOULD THINK VIDOT BECAUSE IT'S THE DESIGNATED ROUTE THAT THEY WOULD MAYBE BE MORE IN TUNE AND KEEPING AN EYE ON THESE ROADS, ESPECIALLY MESSICK.
I MEAN, THAT ROAD, LET ME TELL YOU, I MEAN, YOU HAVE A RAIN, HE GOT POTHOLES EVERYWHERE.
AND, UM, AND THEN OF COURSE THEIR RESPONSE WAS, WELL, WE'LL JUST KEEP DOING WHAT WE DO TODAY, YOU KNOW, BUT, AND SO, YOU KNOW, AND I'M A, WHAT IF KIND OF GAL AND KNOW SOMETHING AND WHAT IF YOU, DON'T ONE OF THESE ROADS HAS A BIG OLD POTHOLE.
THE CAR COMES AROUND AND SOMEONE HAS DIVERGE.
AND, AND, AND, AND I, I KNOW, YOU KNOW, I, I APPRECIATE THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE VOLUME OF BIKE BICYCLISTS, YOU KNOW, BEING OUT ON THESE ROADS, BUT I THINK EVEN IT'S JUST ONE, I WOULDN'T EVEN WANT TO SEE SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, UM, HAPPENS.
SO, BUT ANYWAY, SO THAT, UM, AGAIN, I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST HIM.
I THINK WE, YOU KNOW, BY LAW, WE HAVE TO SHARE THE ROADS WITH THEM.
UM, AND, UM, I JUST WANTED TO SHARE MY THOUGHTS.
ANYONE ELSE? I I'D LIKE TO COMMENT AND ASK, UM, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
SO TODAY THE GOOGLE MAP, I DID THE GOOGLE MAPS AND TODAY THE GOOGLE MAPS WILL SHOW YOU HOW A BIKE PATH, REGARDLESS IT IS THEIR LEGAL RIGHT TO TAKE ANY OF THOSE ROUTES ALREADY.
SO I AM JUST NOT SURE WHAT DESIGNATION IS DESIGNATING.
JUST, UM, BASICALLY PUTTING US IN A NETWORK OF TOURISM OPPORTUNITIES TO BICYCLE.
IS THAT REALLY THE PURPOSE OF THIS, OF THIS RESOLUTION? BECAUSE CURRENTLY THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO IT.
SO IT'S KINDA, TO ME, IT'S A MOOT POINT.
UM, WE'RE MAKING A DECISION ON WHAT THEY ALREADY HAVE A RIGHT TO DO.
IT DOES, YOU KNOW, PROMOTE THE TOURISM.
IT PUTS US ON A MAP THAT, THAT SHOWS THESE PEOPLE WHERE THEY CAN GO.
SO IF THEY WERE TO BE TRAVELING
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THROUGH THE AREA, SO THE OTHER ONE'S IN VIRGINIA CURRENTLY, UM, THERE'S ONE THAT RUNS FROM DC DOWN TO NORTH CAROLINA, ESSENTIALLY, UM, ALONG 95.AND THEN THERE'S ONE, THAT'LL RUN FROM WILLIAMSBURG UP TO RICHMOND AND CHARLOTTESVILLE, AND THEN DOWN TOWARDS ROANOKE AREA.
AND THEN THERE'S JUST A SMALL ONE IN RICHMOND AREA.
SO IT WOULD PUT US ON THIS MAP THAT WE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IDENTIFIED NOW, OBVIOUSLY AGAIN, LIKE WE TALKED LAST TIME WHEN THE SHENANDOAH VALLEY RAIL TRAIL COMES IN THIS TRAIL, OR THIS DESIGNATED ROUTE CAN TRANSITION TO THAT, GET THESE FOLKS OFF THE ROAD AND ONTO THAT TRAIL.
SO IT'S KIND OF SETTING IT UP FOR SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY BEING PLANNED.
AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN MIRROR THAT ON THERE SOONER THAN LATER AT SOME POINT, BUT YET PUT YOU ON THIS MAP, IT NOTIFIES PEOPLE OF THESE, THESE ARE DESIGNATED ROUTES THAT YOU COULD DO IF YOU WERE GOING FROM NEW YORK TO GEORGIA OR SOMETHING, AND YOU MIGHT WANT TO GO THIS WAY AND YOU, AND YOU MAY EVEN FIND A DETOUR AND GO ON SCALA AND DRIVE FOR PART OF IT OR SOMETHING.
AND YES, GOOGLE MAPS WILL SHOW YOU ALL THESE ROUTES AND YOU CAN GO ON THEM.
I WILL SAY MOST CYCLISTS TO COME HERE TO CYCLE FOR THE DAY ARE UNLIKELY TO USE THIS.
I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO SCALLON DRIVE.
THEY'RE GOING OUT TO ROCKLAND.
UM, AND THOSE TYPES OF ROUTES, NOT SO MUCH THIS ONE, UM, THE CONCERN ABOUT, UH, MESSICK, SOME PART OF THIS ROUTE, THERE ARE OTHER GRAVEL ROADS ALONG THIS SECTION.
AND I WOULD SAY RECENTLY IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, ACTUALLY, GRAVEL ROADS HAVE BECOME A MORE POPULAR DESTINATION FOR CYCLISTS.
LOUDOUN COUNTY HAS BECOME KIND OF THIS GRAVEL ROAD MECCA FOR CYCLISTS RECENTLY.
SO, UM, BUT I, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE SAFETY SIDE OF THINGS.
I THINK, AGAIN, IT DOES, IT DOES THE TOURISM SIDE, BUT THEN ALSO DESIGNATES THESE ROUTES IS PROBABLY BE PREFERRED OPTIONS TO GET FROM POINT A TO POINT B.
SO I WANT TO THANK IF A QUESTION FOR MR. PETTY, THIS IS ALREADY SHOWING UP ON SOME MAPS, CORRECT? WOULDN'T THE DESIGNATION.
IF THE BOARD EVENTUALLY DECIDED TO DO THAT, ASSIST US, BECAUSE THEN IT WOULD BE POSTED IN THERE WOULD BE SIGNED THE, SHARE THE ROAD TYPE SIGN, WHICH I DON'T THINK WE, THEY WILL PUT UP NOW WITHOUT THE GOVERNING BODIES ENDORSEMENT, THEY WON'T PUT UP THE, YOU LIKE, OBVIOUSLY IF IT'S A DESIGNATED US BIKE ROUTE, UM, THEY WILL GET SPECIFIC SIGNS THAT SAY US BIKE ROUTE TWO 11, YOU WILL SEE THE SHARE THE ROAD SIGNS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.
AND, UM, I'M SURE MR. SMITH WAS HERE.
WE COULD ASK HIM, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU GET MORE OF THOSE UP? WE DO HAVE THEM ON A LOT OF OUR GATEWAYS AND AS YOU'RE EXITING TOWN ON LIKE 5 22, I KNOW THERE'S BOTH ENDS AND HAPPY CREEK ROAD HAS THEM.
SO THEY ARE AROUND THE COUNTY.
BUT I THINK BETWEEN THOSE TYPES OF ROADS AND IF IT WERE DESIGNATED HAVING THE US BIKE ROUTE SIGNS WOULD BE, WOULD BE VERY IMPORTANT TO JUST ALERT DRIVERS OF THE ACTIVITY THAT CAN BE TAKING PLACE THERE.
AND THOSE, I WOULD THINK THAT GOOGLE MAPS ALSO, UM, STARTS TO, AND THIS, I DON'T CAN'T CONFIRM THIS, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE USE GPS FOR THEIR BIKING.
AND I'M ASSUMING THERE'S COMMUNICATION BETWEEN SOME OF THOSE THIRD PARTIES THAT USE GOOGLE MAPS AND GOOGLE MAPS IDENTIFY WHERE THESE CYCLISTS ARE CURRENTLY GOING ANYWAYS.
AND SO WHEN YOU DO, UH, YOU PLAN A ROUTE AND YOU CLICK BIKE PATHS AND BIKE ROUTES, IT'S GOING TO MERGE ONTO ROUTES THAT ARE ALREADY BEING USED BY OTHER CYCLISTS.
AND THAT'S PROBABLY WHY SOME OF THESE ROADS, UM, GET IDENTIFIED ALREADY IS BECAUSE CYCLISTS ALREADY KNOW THAT THESE ARE BETTER ALTERNATIVES TO, YOU KNOW, GOING AROUND OR TAKING STRAUSBERG ROAD TO GET THE STRAUSBERG WELL, I'M, I'M ALL FOR PROMOTING OUR TOURS.
WE, WE DO HAVE A BEAUTIFUL AREA.
UM, BUT I FEEL LIKE JUST MY THOUGHT ON THIS, WHEN YOU SIGN A RESOLUTION LIKE THIS, THIS IS BASICALLY THE COUNTY SANCTIONING THE USE OF THIS.
AND I REALIZE THE CYCLE IS HAVE A LOT OF, UM, OF JUST A, IS MANY PRIVILEGES ON THE ROAD ALMOST AS CARS DO NOW.
UM, AND THE WHOLE RESPECT THE ROAD.
BUT I PERSONALLY AM CONCERNED ABOUT VOTING FOR THIS SIMPLY BECAUSE IT'S SANCTIONS THAT IT'S SAYING THAT WE FEEL THAT THIS IS A SAFE AREA.
AND I DON'T, UM, YOU KNOW, I HAVE PEOPLE IN MY AREA THAT CAME TO ME AND SAID, WELL, WHAT CAN WE DO TO GET BIKES OFF BROWN DOWN ROAD? AND,
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UM, I SAID, I CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE THERE, BUT I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T WANT TO PROMOTE IT AND PUT MORE BIKES THERE BECAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, BROWNTOWN ROAD IN THIS AREA ARE VERY SIMILAR AND YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T HAVE SHOULDERS.SO YOU, YOU YOU'RE RIDING ALONG.
AND, AND THE PAVEMENT LITERALLY ENDS AND YOU'VE GOT TO DROP OFF A SIGNIFICANT DROP OFF IN A LOT OF AREAS.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, MOVE OVERSHARE, THE ROADS IMPOSSIBLE.
AND, UM, SO FOR ME, IT'S, IT'S ALL ABOUT SAFETY AND AS MUCH AS I WANT TO PROMOTE OUR TOURISM, AND I THINK BIKING IS, YOU KNOW, A WONDERFUL THING.
LIKE I SAID BEFORE, WHEN I WAS A KID, I LIVED ON MY BIKE.
MY BODY'S NOT GOING TO DO THAT ANYMORE.
UM, AND, BUT I RESPECT THOSE THAT DO, BUT I CAN'T, I PERSONALLY CAN'T VOTE FOR SOMETHING WHERE I FEEL LIKE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN IMPACT ON SAFETY, UM, THAT DOESN'T SAY THEY CAN'T STILL STILL BE THERE.
UM, AND IT VETO DOESN'T WANT TO PUT UP SIGNS.
I KNOW WE HAVE SIGNAGE THAT WE PUT UP, YOU KNOW, TO WARN PEOPLE.
UM, I MEAN, I, I TRIED TO GET A PEDESTRIAN SIGN PUT UP ON BROWN TOWN FOR PEOPLE THAT WALK THE LOOP.
AND I WAS TOLD THAT MAKES IT MORE DANGEROUS.
SO I CAN'T FIGURE THAT ONE OUT, BUT THAT'S THE ANSWER I GOT, BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S MY THOUGHT THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SIGN A RESOLUTION YOU'RE SIGN AND IT'S SAYING YOU SANCTION WHAT YOU'RE SIGNING.
UM, AND FOR ME, IT'S, IT'S ABOUT SIGNING SOMETHING.
WHEN I KNOW I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THE SAFETY LEVEL.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION PLEASE? OR MR. MAY, WERE YOU GOING TO MAKE A COMMENT FIRST? YOU'RE MORE THAN WELL, SO, SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT THIS ACTUALLY MIGHT INCREASE THE SAFETY.
IF WE DO THIS, THEN, THEN YOU'RE SAYING THAT, THAT WE, THAT THE SIGNAGE CAN GO UP THAT SAYS, THIS IS US SPOT BIKE, ROUTE TWO 11.
AND THAT, THAT MIGHT ACTUALLY INCREASE THE SAFETY OF THE ROUTE BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE SOME SIGNAGE TO ALERT.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING IS BUILD IT.
THEY WILL COME, IS THAT CORRECT? BUT YOU'RE NOT BUILDING ANYTHING, BUT YOU'RE SAYING, YOU'RE SAYING IT'S OKAY.
SO HE JUST SAID THAT, THAT IF WE, THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PUT ANYTHING UP, UNLESS WE, THE GOVERNING BODY ENDORSES THE ROUTE.
NOW THAT'S NOT WHAT THEODORE SAID.
THEY PROBABLY CAN'T COMMIT TO THAT.
BUT IS THAT THE NORMAL POLICY? BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NORMAL POLICY IS.
WELL, I KNOW I TRIED HAVE ASKED SEVERAL TIMES ABOUT GETTING AIRPORT ROAD ON SMART SCALE, BECAUSE IT'S DANGEROUS AND YOU, THERE'S NOT MUCH BESIDES RECONSTRUCTING THAT ROAD THAT YOU CAN DO TO IMPROVE SAFETY ON IT.
AND WHAT I WAS TOLD AT A RECENT MEETING IS IT DOESN'T SCORE WELL FOR WHATEVER REASON.
AND I, I, I'M NOT SURE THAT PUTTING BIKES ON IT IS GONNA MAKE IT.
AND EVEN IF THAT INCREASED ITS SCORING, IT COULD BE 10, 15 YEARS OUT.
BY THE TIME YOU GOT THE MONEY TO DO IT, AND YOU GOT THE PROJECT DONE AND HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE IMPACTED BY A TRAGEDY DURING THAT TIME PERIOD.
SO I FEEL LIKE WE'RE KIND OF PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE.
I WOULD RATHER SEE THE ROAD IMPROVED AND THEN MAKE IT A BIKE TRAIL WITH IMPROVEMENTS VERSUS PUT SOMETHING THAT'S UNSAFE, HOPING THEY'LL MAKE IT SAFE.
SO MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT YOU TABLE THIS UNTIL THE DOTTIE'S HERE AND YOU DISCUSS IT WITH THEM DIRECTLY.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT, WELL, THEY WON'T PUT UP A SIGN SUCH AS SHARE THE ROAD UNLESS THAT ROAD IS DESIGNATED.
SO I'M JUST TELLING YOU WHAT I GOT THERE IS THAT THEY WILL, IT CAN BE ON A GOOGLE MAP AND IT MIGHT HAVE A LITTLE BIKE GROUP NUMBER OR SOMETHING ON THERE, BUT TO HAVE THE DOT ACTIVELY PUT UP SIGNAGE IN THAT, I BELIEVE IT HAS TO BE DESIGNATED IF I COULD READ SOMETHING, WHICH WAS, UH, AN EMAIL THAT WAS SENT TO ME BY, UH, MR. PETTY AND MY QUESTIONS.
AND ONE-ON-ONES ABOUT THE SIGNAGE.
AND IT SAYS SIGNAGE IS NOT REQUIRED BY A S H T O, WHICH IS ASSUME AS THE BICYCLE ASSOCIATION.
IT'S THE, WHAT? IT'S, IT'S A BICYCLIST.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CAPITAL OTHERS LETTERS STANDS FOR.
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BUT ANY EVENT V DOT ADMINISTERED WITH THAT AMERICAN SAFE HIGHWAY.SO V DOT ADMINISTRATION, ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF WILL NEED TO MAKE A DETERMINATION AS WHETHER SIGNAGE IS NEEDED AND CAN BE FUNDED.
SHOULD THE ROUTE BE ENDORSED BY ALL THE EFFECTED LOCALITIES V DOT WE'LL CONSIDER NEXT STEPS AND HOW TO THE ROUTE WILL BE HANDLED.
THAT'S WHAT THE RESPONSE NOW GOING TO THE MAINTENANCE, IT SAID THERE ARE NO SPECIAL MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE U S BIKE ROUTES PER A S H T O V DOT.
WE'LL CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THE ROAD ROADWAYS IN THE SAME WAY WE DO TODAY TO MEET OUR STANDARDS FOR PAVEMENT PERFORMANCE IS STRUCTURE CONDITION.
WE HAVE NOT DISCUSSED WHETHER ANY ENHANCEMENTS ALONG THE ROUTE, UH, EXAMPLES, SHOULDERS WIDENING, ET CETERA, WOULD BE CONSIDERED.
UH, BUT THEY WOULD EXPECT THAT THERE WOULD BE A LOW LIKELIHOOD, UH, THAT THEY WOULD FUND SUCH PROJECTS, LIMITING FUNDING AND EXISTING PRIORITIES ALONG PRIMARY ROUTES.
AND THEN IT GOES ON SETTING 2%.
SO ANYWAY, THIS IS WHAT, VIDOT THE ANSWERS TO MY QUESTIONS FOR, FOR THESE, UM, FOR THIS DISCUSSION, YOU KNOW, NOW I'M NOT SAYING V DOT THE SAME.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT, YOU KNOW, BUT IT JUST, THEY'RE NOT MAKING A COMMITMENT AT THIS TIME.
BUT MY, MY UNDERSTAND FROM WHAT MR. PETTY SAID EARLIER, THIS IS ALREADY SHOWING UP ON SOME GOOGLE MAPS TYPE THING.
SO BIKERS ARE, CAN BE DIRECTED THERE WHEN THEY USE THEIR LITTLE LAP ON THEIR PHONE.
AND, UM, THAT CREATES A PROBLEM, UH, THAT PE BIKERS ARE OUT THERE AND NOBODY'S SUSPECTING THEM.
AND I THINK IF THERE'S, I THINK LOOKING AT THIS LONG TERM, IF YOU LOOK AT SOMETHING THAT DESIGNATES AN AREA, AND I FULLY UNDERSTAND THE IDEA WHERE THERE'S NO PLACE TO GO WITH YOUR BIKE, I, THAT'S WHY I LIKE TO RUN MORE THAN I DID BIKE.
I COULD SEE THE CAR AND I COULD GET OUT OF THE WAY, BUT I THINK THERE'S ALSO THE POSSIBILITY THAT IF THEY'RE OUT THERE, THAT WE WANT TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO PROTECT THEM.
AND IT MAY BE WORTH TALKING TO V DOT ABOUT WHAT WE COULD DO TO BETTER.
THEY'RE NOT, IT'S NOT SAFE, UH, TOTALLY A HUNDRED PERCENT IN ANY CASE PERIOD, BUT IT WOULD BE BETTER PROTECTED IF SOMEBODY IS EXPECTING THEM.
EVERYBODY'S CHIMED IN, BUT ME AND YOUR ATTORNEY Y'ALL DID GOOD.
I DON'T HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH TO SAY OTHER THAN SAFETY IS THE CONCERN THAT I HAD.
I HAD, UM, OF 14 PEOPLE ACTUALLY EMAIL ME SAYING, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? YOU'RE ARE PUTTING CARS AND BICYCLES ON THE SAME ROAD THAT EVEN CARS CAN'T PASS WELL.
SO, UM, SAFETY IS THE CONCERN FOR ME.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD, UM, LIKE YOU SAID, ENDORSE IT, UM, BECAUSE I WOULD FEEL HORRIBLE IF SOMEBODY GOT HURT BECAUSE I HELPED DIRECT THEM TO THIS ROAD.
YOU'RE TALKING MR. PETTY, YOU SAID THESE ARE PROFESSIONAL, ARE PROFESSIONAL TYPE PEOPLE THAT DO THIS FOR RECREATION.
THEY DO IT MORE THAN JUST THE AVERAGE PERSON GOING DOWN AND RIDING THEIR BIKE.
BUT I'VE SEEN THEM WHERE THEY ARRIVED TO SIDE-BY-SIDE YOU PUT TWO SIDE-BY-SIDE IN THE CAR, COME AROUND AN S-CURVE, YOU DON'T SEE THEM.
DOESN'T MATTER HOW GOOD THEY ARE.
UM, SAFETY IS GOING TO BE MY CONCERN, AND I DON'T THINK THAT I COULD SUPPORT IT RIGHT NOW.
AND EVEN IF I PUT A SIGN EVERY MILE, YOU DON'T SEE AROUND SOME OF THE CORNERS YOU DON'T SEE AROUND, UM, YOU DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY FOR THE BIKE PERSON TO SEE THE CAR COMING OR THE CAR SEEING THE BIKE PERSON.
AND I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM MOVING THIS TO ANOTHER MEETING AND HEARING MORE, BUT I DON'T, I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK I'M GOING TO HEAR ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE MY MIND.
SO I WILL GO WITH THE PRIVILEGE OF A BOARD AS TO WHETHER YOU WANT TO VOTE ON IT TODAY OR MOVE IT TO ANOTHER MEETING.
I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE MOVE IT TO ANOTHER MEETING BECAUSE I, UM, I UNDERSTAND WHAT
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MY COLLEAGUES ARE SAYING, BUT THESE PEOPLE ARE ALREADY ON THE ROAD.AND I ALMOST THINK THAT SIGN MIGHT ENHANCE THE SAFETY SINCE THEY'RE ALREADY BEING DIRECTED THERE BY GOOGLE.
UM, SO I'D LIKE TO LEARN IF THAT IS A POSSIBILITY BEFORE WE MAKE A DECISION.
AND SO I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT THAT WE GATHER MORE DATA.
AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE THE INPUT OF THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE I THINK THEY'RE DEALING WITH THIS REGULARLY.
ANYWAY, I LIKE ASHLEY WOULDN'T SPEAK TRAILER.
YOU GOT TO GET THE MICROPHONE, GET THE MICROPHONE.
TELL US ABOUT THE SPEED TRAILER SHERIFF IT'S ON MOUNTAIN.
I'D LIKE TO ACTUALLY PUT THE SPEED TRAILER UP ON CATALAN MOUNTAIN.
THAT WAY WE CAN ACTUALLY GET THE DATA.
UM, WE DO THAT ALL OVER THE COUNTY.
I AM VERY FAMILIAR WITH BICYCLISTS WORKING IN HER NAME FOR SO MANY YEARS.
UM, I DO THINK IT'S NEEDS TO BE VERY SAFE, SAFELY DONE.
I LOVED THE IDEA OF THE SHENANDOAH RAIL, UM, TRAIL.
IT'S LIKE THE WTO AND D UM, BUT I WILL TELL YOU, YOU WILL HAVE A LOT OF ACCIDENTS.
WE WORKED A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON THE, BUT WITH BICYCLISTS AND HERNDON AND THE MAJORITY OF THE TICKETS WERE WRITTEN TO THE BICYCLISTS WHO DO NOT FOLLOW THE TRAFFIC LAWS LIKE THEY SHOULD.
AND QUITE AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT WE WERE ACCUSTOMED TO.
SO I THINK IF WE PLAN IT OUT, THERE'S SOME PARTS OF CADILLAC MOUNTAIN ROAD.
UM, CAUSE I HAVE BEEN DRIVING IT SINCE I'VE HEARD ABOUT THIS.
AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF TERMS THAT REALLY, REALLY, REALLY MAKE ME SCARED ABOUT MAKING THAT A ROAD.
BUT LIKE EVERYONE SAYING, UM, THEY CAN RIDE ANYWHERE.
THEY WANT TO RIDE ANYWAY, AS LONG AS THEY'RE ABIDING BY THE LAWS.
UM, SO FOR US, I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE DATA BEFORE YOU GUYS VOTE.
AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING, UM, LIEUTENANT SEAL AND MYSELF HAVE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT AND WE WILL, WE WILL TRY TO GET YOU SOME INFORMATION FOR THAT.
I REALIZED THAT THE POTENTIAL IS THERE IN THE FUTURE TO TAKE THIS DOWN, THE, THE, THE WALKING TRAIL, UM, UH, THEN THE BICYCLE IS ALL I HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IS THE PEOPLE WALKING.
AND THERE IS A POTENTIAL THERE FOR HITTING SOMEBODY WHILE THEY'RE RIDING THEIR BICYCLE, DOING THEIR THING.
AND THE PIER, THE PEOPLE THAT THEY'RE WALKING BY, THEY'RE NOT EVEN PAYING ATTENTION AND THE CATTLE JUMP OUT IN FRONT OF THEM WITHOUT REALLY MEANING IT, IT JUST GONNA HAPPEN.
UH, AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN ANYWHERE.
SO I WOULD HAVE TO STAY ON THAT.
UM, MR. MAY IS, I'VE SEEN IT ON THE W AND D AND IF IT'S DONE RIGHT, THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE GREATEST THINGS I'VE SEEN IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA, DON IS THAT W O AND D TRAIL.
I ACTUALLY USED TO BE MANY POUNDS AGO, UH, BICYCLISTS.
I USED TO AVERAGE ABOUT 20 MILES A DAY.
AND IF IT'S DONE RIGHT, IT'S SAFE.
I WOULDN'T RIDE A BICYCLE AND WARREN COUNTY, THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION.
ONE EVERYTHING'S UPHILL, EVEN DOWNHILL, BUT, BUT, UH, IT'S JUST, I DON'T THINK OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS SAFE ENOUGH AT THIS POINT TO, UNTIL WE DO MORE DETAIL AND EVALUATE BETTER, THAT'S MY OPINION AS A SHERIFF.
BUT, UM, I THINK WE WILL GET THROUGH TO THE DATA AND WE'LL START WORKING ON IT NOW.
IF THIS IS NOT, IF THIS IS VOTED NEGATIVELY TODAY, DOES THAT MEAN IT CAN'T BE BROUGHT UP AGAIN? I THINK YOUR RULES DO SPEAK TO THAT.
I HAVE A QUESTION WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING MR. HAM, SO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT DIDN'T, WE USE TO HAVE LIKE BICYCLE ACROSS AMERICA, COME THROUGH WARREN COUNTY.
WASN'T THAT? UH, AN, A ORGANIZATION.
EVERY, I REMEMBER HUNDREDS OF BICYCLES, SO, SO THERE'S, SO THERE'S A MULTIPLE THINGS.
DALEY CAN ACTUALLY SPEAK TO THIS BECAUSE HE ACTUALLY HAD EXPERIENCED WITH IT, BUT WE USED TO HAVE ACTUALLY A PROFESSIONAL BIKE RACE COME THROUGH FRONT ROYAL.
UM, IT WAS ORIGINALLY CALLED TOWARD A TRUMP.
IT WAS PROMOTED BY DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT, DONALD TRUMP, BACK IN LATE EIGHTIES.
AND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE NORTH AMERICAN TOUR DE FRANCE.
UM, THEN A COUPLE YEARS LATER THEN BECAME TOUR DUPONT.
AND IN 1992, IT CAME THROUGH FRONT ROYAL.
THAT WAS THE YEAR IT WAS WON BY AMERICAN GREG LAMOND.
IT WAS HIS LAST BIG STAGE RACE THAT HE WON.
AND I HAVE THE JERSEY IN MY OFFICE.
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1993, UM, IT ACTUALLY STARTED ONE OF THE STAGES STARTED IN WARREN COUNTY.AND, UH, AND THAT WAS THE YEAR, YOU KNOW, UH, 92 93.
UM, EVERYBODY KNOWS HIM AS LANCE ARMSTRONG.
UH, HE ACTUALLY WROTE THROUGH HERE AT THAT TIME, AND MY WIFE HAS SOME PHOTOS OF MY MAIN STREET FROM THE NINETIES, YOU KNOW, FRONT ROYAL DID HAVE A PLACE IN PROFESSIONAL CYCLING AT ONE TIME.
IT, IT WOULD TYPICALLY GO TO THE DUPONT BRANCHES, BUT YEAH, SO, SO THERE IS A HISTORY OF IT HERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, SKYLINE DRIVES A VERY POPULAR DESTINATION FOR CYCLISTS COMING DOWN NORTHERN VIRGINIA, UM, AS SHERIFF BUTLER ALLUDED TO WD IS VERY POPULAR TRAIL THAT RUNS FROM ARLINGTON TO PERSEVERE IS IT'S AN, UH, VACATED RAILWAY.
YOU KNOW, I LIVE IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA.
I USED IT EVERY DAY ALMOST TO COMMUTE, TO WORK FROM FALSE CHURCH TO ARLINGTON.
UH, I'M AN ACTIVE CYCLIST HERE IN THIS COMMUNITY.
YOU GUYS MAKE ME FEEL LIKE I'M DEFINITELY BEING VERY UNSAFE DOING THAT, BUT I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, THE MORE CYCLISTS THAT ARE ON THE ROAD, IT DOES BECOME A LITTLE BIT SAFER.
PEOPLE DO BECOME MORE AWARE, UM, THAT CYCLISTS ARE OUT THERE.
INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS ARE EXPENSIVE ON ROADS AS WE, AS YOU ALL DEFINITELY KNOW.
SO YOU HAVE TO WEIGH THOSE FACTORS IF YOU WANT IT TO Y JUST A SIMPLE WIDENING OF SHOULDERS ON THESE ROADS, THAT RETURN OF INVESTMENT.
IF YOU DO THAT, ARE YOU RE HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE YOU BENEFITING? UM, OR WOULD IT BE BENEFICIAL TO PUT, YOU KNOW, BY THAT TYPE OF INFRASTRUCTURE SOMEWHERE ELSE, THAT'S A MORE HEAVILY USED ROUTE BY PEDESTRIANS AND CYCLISTS.
UM, SO THESE ARE ALL THINGS YOU HAVE TO WEIGH IN, BUT, YOU KNOW, I'D BE HAPPY TO DO MORE RESEARCH ON THIS FOR YOU.
UH, IF YOU PLAN TO TABLE THIS SUMMIT BEFORE, WELL, I KNOW THE, THE BIG BY, I REMEMBER THOSE BIG BIKE RACES, BUT THOSE ARE PLANNED EVENTS WHERE THERE'S ROUTES.
IT'S LIKE YOU SET IT OFF, LIKE YOU DO YOUR PARADES.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S NOT THE BEST ANALOGY FOR THIS.
THIS IS, AND I, I CAN TELL YOU A BICYCLE HAS COME BY MY HOUSE ALL THE TIME.
UM, AND I'VE ACTUALLY GOT A PICTURE OF THEM.
THERE'S A REALLY SHARP CURVE RIGHT AT OUR HOUSE, AND THEY'RE ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE ROAD GOING IN IT WELL, THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT LIVE UP FROM US WHO, WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY HIT THAT ROAD, THEY'RE FLYING.
AND I THOUGHT, OH, MY WORD, IF THEY COME AROUND THAT HILL ABOUT NOW, SOMEBODY IS GOING TO BE HURTING BECAUSE IT WAS LIKE FOUR CYCLISTS, UM, ALL ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE ROAD.
AND, UM, AND I UNDERSTAND GPS, I HAVE THEM TURNED AROUND IN MY FIELD ALL THE TIME BECAUSE EVIDENTLY GPS TELLS THEM TO COME UP MY ROAD.
THEY GET SO FAR AND THEY'RE LIKE, I DON'T THINK WE'RE RIGHT.
AND THEY TURN AROUND MY HAYFIELD AND GO BACK.
SO, YOU KNOW, GPS IS NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT ACCURATE EITHER.
IT'LL PUT YOU IN DIFFERENT PLACES.
BUT, UM, I, I STILL SAY, I THINK WE'RE PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE AND YOU, YOU KNOW, PUTTING ON THOSE ROADS, HOPING THAT V DOT WE'LL DO INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS THERE.
I THINK WE NEED TO GET THE IMPROVEMENTS.
AND THEN, UM, AND, AND THEY CAN BE THERE.
AND LIKE I SAID, IF WARREN COUNTY NEEDS TO PUT A SIGN AT THE BEGINNING, SAYS, LOOK FOR A CYCLIST.
YOU KNOW, BECAUSE V DOT WON'T DO IT UNLESS WE SIGN ON THIS RESOLUTION, THEN I'LL CHIP IN TO HELP PAY FOR THOSE MYSELF.
UM, TH THE REAL ANSWER IS THE FRONT ROYAL STRAUSBERG SECTION OF THE RAIL TRAIL.
AND THAT WOULD BE A BLESSING TO GET THEM HERE, BUT YOUR STATE LEGISLATORS ARE LOOKING FOR A WAY TO PASS OUT MONEY.
THIS IS SOMETHING THEY COULD WORK ON.
YOU MIGHT SUGGEST I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT PUTTING UP ANY SIGNS ON OUR OWN, BECAUSE IF WE PUT UP SIGNS, WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVING, UH, INDIRECTLY TAKING SOME LIABILITY.
IF SOMETHING VERY CONCERNED, I DON'T WANT TO PUT ANY EXTRA LIABILITY ON US.
THAT'S WHY I'M UNCOMFORTABLE SANCTIONING THIS RESOLUTION.
UM, BUT I, I, I DO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THE SIGNS, SOME PEOPLE PAY ATTENTION TO THE SIGN.
IT'S LIKE SPEED THERE'S SPACE SIGNS EVERYWHERE, BUT NOT EVERYBODY DRIVES SPEED LIMIT.
IF YOU WANT TO READ THEM AND HONOR THEM, I CAN DRIVE BACK AND FORTH PARKWAY.
SO, SO WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO? DO WE WANT TO VOTE ON THIS, OR WE WANT TO KICK IT DOWN THE ROAD COMMENT.
SO YEAH, YOU DO HAVE A RULE ON THIS.
AND THE QUESTION WAS, IF IT'S VOTED DOWN TODAY, CAN IT BE BROUGHT UP AGAIN? AND IT CAN BE BROUGHT UP AGAIN ONCE BY ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO VOTED NO WITHIN ONE YEAR, BUT IT COULD NOT BE BROUGHT UP AGAIN BY SOMEBODY WHO WANTED IT DONE.
UNLESS A YEAR PASSES FROM NOW, WHAT THEY CAN TABLE INDEFINITELY AND YOU CAN TABLE INDEFINITELY.
WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD ON THIS?
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WELL, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH TABLING IT FOR THE OTHER MEMBERS TO GET THEIR ANSWERS TO THEIR QUESTIONS.UM, THE MOTION IS TO TABLE AND I ADD ONE THING BEFORE WE DO THAT.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO NOT HAVE ANY LIABILITIES WITH THIS.
CAUSE LIKE I SAID, I DID SOME RESEARCH.
THEY'RE SAYING THERE IS NO LIABILITY, BUT THEN IN THE FINE PRINT, IT SAYS YOU SHOULD CONSULT WITH YOUR COUNTY, YOU KNOW? OKAY.
I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION RIGHT NOW.
UM, COUNTIES HAVE EXTREMELY STRONG LIABILITY AGAINST TORT.
SO YOU KNOW, THIS RESOLUTION ISN'T WORDED QUITE THE WAY.
I WOULD PREFER IT READ BECAUSE IT SAYS YOU'VE INVESTIGATED THE PROPOSED ROUTE AND FOUND IT TO BE A SUITABLE ROUTE.
BUT EVEN WITH THAT LANGUAGE, THERE, THERE, ISN'T GOING TO BE A SUCCESSFUL TORT SUIT.
AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN SOMEONE COULDN'T SUE YOU.
BUT THEY WOULDN'T BE SUCCESSFUL.
UM, AND I'M READY TO ANSWER, UH, MRS. OATES, THIS QUESTION FROM EARLIER, WHENEVER THAT'S A GOOD TIME.
WELL, YOU ALL WANT TO FINISH THE VOTE, THIS ITEM? OH, IT'S ON ANOTHER ITEM I THOUGHT IT WAS ON.
SO I WOULD, I WOULD ENCOURAGE TABLING IT UNTIL A FUTURE DATE SO THAT WE HAVE SOME MORE TIME TO CONSIDER ALL OF THE FACTORS IN THIS DECISION.
SO IT WILL BE TABLED INDEFINITELY JUST TO BE CLEAR ON WHAT THE MOTION IS.
THAT'S WHAT I HEARD HER EMOTION WAS IF THAT'S WHAT SHE WANTS.
AND I DON'T THINK THEY'VE HAD A VOTE YET.
IS THERE A SECOND TO MRS. OATES? A MOTION.
SECOND ROLL CALL, MRS. HAGUE'S MR. MABE.
SO I DID KNOW THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION.
IT JUST TOOK ME A MINUTE TO REMEMBER THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION.
SO WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IS THEY'VE SET OUT, UH, RIGHT NOW IT USED TO BE THAT YOU HAD THE TAX ALL PERSONAL PROPERTY AT THE SAME RATE, AND NOW THEY'VE SEGREGATED OUT THE CARS.
SO YOU CAN BASICALLY LOWER THE TAX RATE JUST FOR CARS.
WELL, THAT'S A CAR IS IN OH VEHICLES.
I MEAN, THERE'S MORE TECHNICALITIES TO THAT, BUT THAT'S THEIR WORK AROUND SO THAT YOU CAN SET A DIFFERENT RATE AND CHARGE PEOPLE LESS FOR THAT, EVEN THOUGH THE VALUE WENT UP SO MUCH.
SO THERE, THEY'RE ACTUALLY SUGGESTING THAT YOU LOWER THE RATE IN, IN, UM, I DON'T THINK THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY IS SUGGESTING ANYTHING, BUT THERE, THIS IS ACTUALLY ONLY GOOD FOR THREE YEARS.
UM, AND IT LETS YOU LOWER THE RATE ON VEHICLES BECAUSE OF THIS NATIONAL ISSUE WHERE MOST CARS DEPRECIATE.
AND IT'S REALLY UNPRECEDENTED THAT THEY GO UP 40%.
SO THEY'RE NOT TELLING YOU ANY, YOU HAVE TO DO IT, YOU CAN DO ANYTHING YOU WANT.
UM, BUT YOU DO NOW HAVE THE ABILITY TO LOWER THE RATE FOR THOSE, UH, PERSONAL VEHICLES, WHEREAS BEFORE YOU HAD TO TAX ALL PERSONAL PROPERTY AT THE SAME RATE.
SO I'M IN ROUND NUMBERS, $20 MILLION IS YOUR TOTAL PERSONAL PROPERTY.
3 MILLION COMES FROM NON VEHICLES, THAT'S BUSINESS AND OTHER PERSONAL PROPERTY THAT IS TAXED.
AND THAT IS ALLOWED TO REMAIN AT THE CURRENT RATE.
IF YOU SET A DIFFERENT RATE FOR THE OTHER 17 MILLION.
THANK YOU FOR, FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
[G. Consent Agenda]
CONSENT AGENDA.ARE THERE ANY ITEMS TO PULL FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? UM, MADAM CHAIR, HOLD ON JUST A SECOND.
I WOULD LIKE TO PULL
IS THERE A MOTION TO AMEND THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH THE REMOVAL OF FIVE AND SIX SECOND, SECOND WORLDCOM MRS. HAYES, EXCUSE ME.
ARE YOU MEANING TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA? OKAY.
WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE EXCEPTION OF THOSE TWO VITALS.
WANT TO CLARIFY FOR THE BOARD THAT WHEN YOU APPROVE G4, YOU ARE APPROVING THE COPY THAT YOU WAS APPROVED BY THE TOWN THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU.
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JUST THIS LITTLE, UM, SECTION THAT CHANGES, UH, WHERE IT ENSURES THAT BOTH PARTIES WILL CONTRIBUTE $200,000 FOR THIS NEXT FISCAL YEAR.THAT REMAINDER OF THE AGREEMENT IS WHAT THE BOARD PASSED BEFORE.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY THAT YOU'RE APPROVING THAT ONE THAT IS SIGNED BY THE MAYOR RATHER THAN ANY OTHER VERSION.
I TALKED TO MR. HAM BEFORE THE MEETING AND HE WAS COMFORTABLE WITH THOSE CHANGES AND, UM, HOPEFULLY THIS RIGHT.
SO HOPEFULLY THIS IS, WE'RE NOT AFTER THIS.
UM, I LIKE TO GET BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE REVISIONS ARE ON THIS MOU.
SO WOULD YOU LIKE TO PULL NUMBER FOUR? YES, PLEASE.
DO YOU WANT TO PULL IT FOR DISCUSSION TODAY TO GET THAT FROM SHAFTER DAILY? OKAY.
SO WE WILL PULL NUMBER FOUR FOR DISCUSSION AND WE ARE PULLING FIVE AND SIX FOR ANOTHER TIME.
SO WE NOW HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH REMOVAL OF FIVE AND SIX AND TO POOL NUMBER FOUR FOR DISCUSSION NOW IS THERE I'LL PULL THE PREVIOUS MOTION AND UM, SO MOVE YOUR MOTION.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND ROLL CALL MRS. HAYES.
[G.4. Revisions to the Memorandum of Agreement with the Town of Front Royal for Destination Marketing Organization Services Provided by Discover Front Royal – Alisa Scott]
THIS IS OKAY.IF YOU LOOK AT THE DOCUMENT THAT YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS MORNING, THAT IS SIGNED BY THE MAYOR.
MA'AM UNDER ITEM TWO, WHICH IS AT THE TOP.
IT'S NOT ABOUT YOUR, OH, I DIDN'T SAY THAT ONE.
MAYBE I LEFT HIM IN THE COFFEE WITH WE, THE ONLY RESOLUTIONS WE HAVE WERE WITH RESPECT TO THE NAMING OF THE BRIDGES YOURSELF.
I LOOKED AT IT ON, ON THE EMAIL.
MA'AM I THOUGHT I PASSED THEM OUT.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE THREE, ITEM TWO, AND IN THAT ITEM, IF YOU LOOK DOWN 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 6 LINES, YOU'LL SEE WHERE IT TALKS THAT THE SUCH FUNDING AMOUNT TO BE PROVIDED BY THE TOWN FOR FISCAL YEAR, STARTING JULY 1ST, 2022 AND ENDING JUNE 30TH, 2023 SHALL BE 200,000 WITH AN ADDITIONAL APPROPRIATION BY THE COUNTY OF $200,000.
SO THE TOTAL FUNDING, A $400,000 I'LL BE PROVIDED.
THAT IS THE INSERT THAT IS CHANGED.
EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE DOCUMENT IS THE SAME AS WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE, UH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ON THE FIRST PAGE.
THE ONLY OTHER MINIMAL CHANGE WAS ON THE FIRST, UH, SECTION PURPOSE.
THE TOWN DID NOT AGREE TO REMOVE THE FOLLOWING IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYALS SPECIAL EVENT POLICIES AND PROCEDURES, SPECIAL EVENTS, CATEGORIZED, COMMUNITY GATHERING, OR COMMUNITY, MAYBE HOSTED BY THE PARTIES, NOT WITHSTANDING ANYTHING ELSE IN THIS AGREEMENT, THE TOWN AND COUNTY MAY CONDUCT TOURISM ACTIVITIES OUTSIDE THIS AGREEMENT.
THAT SECTION WAS NOT REMOVED BY THE TOWN.
DALEY HAD TALKED ABOUT WITH THE 200,000, THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO CHANGES OF THE DOCUMENT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS? YES.
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GOING BACK TO PAGE THREE.SO, UM, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED, SO I KNOW YOU GUYS WILL STRAIGHTEN ME OUT.
SO I SEE THAT THE 50% TO THE 70% FIVE-YEAR ROLLING AVERAGE IS STILL THERE.
BUT NOW THEY'RE SAYING FOR JULY, FOR, UH, FOR FISCAL YEAR 22, THAT THEY'RE GOING TO, UM, CONTRIBUTE TO THE 200,000.
AND THEREFORE, SINCE WE'RE DOING A MATCH THAT THE COUNTY IS GOING TO DO 200,000.
SO AT WHAT POINT IS THIS 50% TO 70%, FIVE YEAR ROLLING AVERAGE COMES INTO PLAY.
WELL, THAT WOULD BE AFTER JULY 1ST, 2023.
WHAT THIS INSERT DOES IS THE QUESTION WAS WHEN THEY WERE GOING TO USE THIS 50 TO 70%, ET CETERA, ALL THIS STUFF, AND WHAT THIS INSERT DOES IS PROVIDE THE FUNDING FOR THIS COMING FISCAL YEAR OF $200,000 EACH.
AND IT MEANS THAT THEN NEXT YEAR, JULY FISCAL YEAR 24, WHEN YOU REVIEW YOUR BUDGET AND THE TOWN REVIEWS ITS BUDGET, THEY WILL BE CONSIDERING AN AMOUNT.
AND THE TOWN MAY TALK ABOUT THIS FORMULA AND THEY MAY TALK ABOUT 200.
WE DON'T KNOW WHERE WE WILL BE AT THAT POINT, BUT THIS COVERS THE NEXT YEAR.
SO WE MIGHT BE REVISITING THIS AGAIN NEXT YEAR.
MA'AM THE FORMULA, THE MONEY FOR THERE.
SO IT'S LIKE, OKAY, IT'S, IT'S EITHER, UM, WHATEVER'S LARGER AT WELL, THAT'S JUST FOR THE YEAR, BECAUSE EACH YEAR IN THIS, YOU ARE GOING TO REVIEW THE BUDGET PROPOSAL.
SO EACH YEAR THE BOARD AND THE TOWN COUNCIL WILL APPROVE AN AMOUNT.
AND WHATEVER THAT AMOUNT IS, WHETHER IT'S A 50 TO 70 AMOUNT, IT'S A DOLLAR AMOUNT, WHATEVER IT'S GOING TO BE, IT WILL CHANGE EACH YEAR AND THE BOARD WILL APPROVE IT AND THE TOWN WILL APPROVE IT.
BUT THIS SETS THE STAGE FOR THIS NEXT YEAR.
SO WHY DON'T I, WHY DON'T I SEE THE SAME LANGUAGE UNDER THE COUNTY OF WARREN, NUMBER TWO, WE'VE HAD IT IN OUR BUDGET SINCE DAY ONE.
WE'VE NEVER NEEDED TO HAVE IT IN WRITING THERE.
WE PUT IT IN THE BUDGET AT $200,000 DAY ONE, BUT AGAIN, WHY IS IT NOT WRITTEN UNDER THE COUNTY SHELL? DO THE SAME.
I MEAN, AND THE REASON I'M SAYING THIS IS BECAUSE ALL ALONG ALL THE MEETINGS, I'M SORRY, ALL THE MEETINGS I'VE BEEN IN, IT'S BEEN 50 50.
WHAT YOU DO? I DO, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
SO I LOOK AT THEIR PARAGRAPH AND THEY HAVE ALL THIS LANGUAGE ABOUT THE 200,000.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAVE NOT PUT THE SAME LANGUAGE FOR THE COUNTY OF VIRGINIA.
SO IF I MAY YOU'LL NOTE THAT THE, THE SENTENCE SAYS THE APPROPRIATION BY THE COUNTY OF $200,000, RIGHT NOW THEY COULD HAVE ADDED THAT WHOLE SENTENCE DOWN HERE UNDER THE COUNTING.
BUT IT'S ALREADY IN THAT SENTENCE THAT EACH OF US ARE COMMITTING $200,000.
AND I WOULD HATE TO SEND IT BACK EMAIL.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S IN THEIR FLIGHT PREGO.
SO YEAH, MY, I CAME UP WITH THAT LANGUAGE AND ADVOCATED THAT, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT AN AMOUNT FOR THIS YEAR, YOU DON'T HAVE A DEAL.
AND SO NOW YOU'VE GOT A SIGNED DEAL, THAT'S THIS? AND SO, YEAH, IT PROBABLY SHOULD BE IN THE COUNTY OF WARREN CHOW, BUT THE TOWN HAS AGREED TO DO THIS AND THE COUNTY CAN AGREE TO DO THIS SO THAT IF ANYTHING PUTS THE COUNTY IN A MUCH BETTER POSITION, BUT I ALSO AGREE WITH WHAT DR.
DALEY SAID THAT IN THE TOWN PART, IT, IT MAKES IT PRETTY CLEAR, UH, SHALL BE $200,000 WITH AN ADDITIONAL APPROPRIATION BY THE COUNTY FOR 200,000.
SO THAT THE TOTAL FUNDING OF 400,000 SHALL BE PROVIDED.
I REALLY THINK THE TOTALITY OF THIS AGREEMENT MEANS THAT BOTH SIDES ARE PUTTING IN THE 200,000 THIS YEAR.
AND I AGREE WITH YOU THAT IT PROBABLY SHOULD BE IN THIS OTHER PLACE TOO, BUT THAT DOESN'T AFFECT THE VALIDITY OF THIS AGREEMENT OR THE ABILITY OF THE, UM, OF THE, UH, TOWN TO BE BOUND BY IT.
AND I, YOU KNOW, I I'M SATISFIED WITH HIS AGREEMENT.
WE'VE BEEN THROUGH 10 DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF IT, BUT I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T ENCOURAGE YOU TO NOT PASS IT BASED ON THAT, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S CLEAR GENERALLY
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WHAT, UH, WHAT HAS MEANT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR DR.DALEY, MS. SCOTT OR MR. HAM? AND IF IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO, TO TALK ABOUT THIS MORE IN CLOSE SESSION, WE COULD AMEND THE CLOSED SESSION.
AND I COULD TELL YOU A FEW MORE THINGS ABOUT THIS.
IF YOU WANTED TO HEAR, I WOULD LIKE THAT.
I'M JUST GOING TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
I'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS AD NAUSEUM AND IT IS THIS, THIS 200,000 LINE WAS SUGGESTED BY US BY, BY MR. HAM IN OUR LAST CLOSED SESSION.
UM, SO TO GO OVER IT ONE MORE TIME, SEEMS TO ME TO BE JUST VERY REDUNDANT.
I, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IF ANYTHING, THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT WE ASKED FOR.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS.
MAYBE I SHOULDN'T HAVE SUGGESTED THAT APOLOGIES.
UM, BUT THE AGREEMENT CLEARLY SAYS THAT BOTH SIDES ARE PUTTING IN 200,000 FOR BOTH YEARS FOR THIS COMING FISCAL YEAR.
AND THEN BEYOND THAT, WE'RE GOING TO GO AGREE UPON EVERY YEAR, A BUDGET BASED ON WHAT THE NONPROFIT COMES IN ASK FOR.
AND IT WILL BE UP TO THE BODIES THEN.
SO WE'RE NOT INDEBTING FUTURE, UM, FUTURE JOB BOARDS TO ANYTHING BECAUSE THEY'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO AGREE ON WHATEVER IS PROPOSED THAT YEAR.
UH, AND THIS IS ALL YOU COULD DO ANYWAY, BECAUSE OF THE SUBJECT TO APPROPRIATION THAT COUNTIES ARE UNDER, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN ONLY COMMIT FOR A YEAR ANYHOW.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD, PLEASE.
SURE WE'LL GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON IT.
WELL, THEN I WILL MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THIS DOCUMENT AS PRESENTED.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND ROLL CALL, MRS. HAYES.
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HAVE PULLED OUT ITEMS FIVE AND SIX.WE'VE MADE A DECISION ON FOUR.
SO DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE CONSENT AGENDA AS AMENDED? YOU ALREADY DID THAT? WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE DID.
SO EVERYTHING'S NOW BEEN ACTED UPON EXCEPT FOR FIVE AND SIX.
AND IF YOU WANTED TO DO A MOTION TO TABLE IT THAT BOTH THOSE ITEMS, WHICH I THINK IS WHAT YOU WERE THINKING ABOUT, AND I'VE ASKED YOU A QUESTION, DEMAND OF CHAIR.
UM, SO WE PULL FIVE AND SIX AND WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THOSE ENCLOSED AND WE CAN COME BACK AND VOTE ON THEM, OR WE'RE GOING TO PULL THEM AND VOTE ON THEM.
NEXT TIME WE ARE GOING TO MRS. SCOTT'S GOING TO DO A PRESENTATION AT THE WORK SESSION.
AND THEN YOU'LL PUT THEM ON THE AGENDA FOR MAY.
I JUST WANTED CLARIFICATION WHAT THE, OKAY.
SO THEN THE MOTIONS SHOULD BE TO PULL FIVE AND SIX, GO FOR A WORK SESSION AND TO ADD THEM TO THE MAY AGENDA.
UH, IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? SECOND ROLL CALL, MRS. HAGUE'S JUST, I'M CLEAR.
I DON'T DO IT OFTEN, BUT I CAN.
I'VE BEEN TOLD MR. MABE, MRS. COOK.
[H. Closed Session – Virginia Freedom of Information Act]
CLOSED SESSION AND I KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME CHANGES.I MRS. OATES, IF YOU WOULD WOULDN'T MIND READING US INTO CLOSED SESSION.
SO FIRST WE NEED TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THE CLOSED SESSION, WHICH IS I, UM, TO ADD THE ADDITIONAL ITEM.
I THINK WE DID THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING.
SO NOW I JUST NEED TO ADD THAT.
IS THAT CORRECT? TO YOU? JUST READ WHAT I GAVE YOU EARLIER.
I MOVED THE BOARD ENTER INTO A CLOSED MEETING UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF SECTION TWO DOT TWO DASH 3 7 1 1 A ONE OF THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT FOR THE DISCUSSION OR CONSIDERATION OF THE ASSIGNMENT APPOINTMENT, PROMOTION PERFORMANCE, DEMOTION SALARIES, A RESIGNATION OF A SPECIFIC PUBLIC OFFICER OF THE PUBLIC BODY.
SPECIFICALLY IN REGARDS TO THE NORTHWESTERN COMMUNITY SERVICES BOARD.
I ALSO MOVED THE BOARD ENTER INTO A CLOSED MEETING UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF SECTION TWO DOT TWO DASH 3 7 1 1 8 8 4 CONSULTATION
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WITH LEGAL COUNSEL FOR THE PROVISION OF LEGAL ADVICE REGARDING THE SHENANDOAH FARM SANITARY DISTRICT.FINALLY, I MOVED THE BOARD ENTER TO A CLOSE MEETING UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF SECTION TWO DOT TWO DASH 3 7 1 1 8 7 AND EIGHT EIGHT FOR CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL PERTAINING TO ACTUAL OR PROBABLE LITIGATION AND THE PROVISION OF LEGAL ADVICE REGARDING THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY OF THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL AND THE COUNTY OF WARREN, VIRGINIA, THE EDA, THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, THE EDA VERSUS JENNIFER MACDONALD, ALL THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL VERSUS THE EDA AT ALL THE EDA VERSUS THE TOWN OF FRONT OIL.
OTHER I KNOW I SHOULDN'T, I JUST SAY AT ALL OTHER POTENTIAL CLAIMS AND LITIGATION RELATING TO OTHER POSSIBLE LIABILITIES OF THE EDA, THE RECOVERY OF THE EDA FUNDS AND ASSETS AND THE OUTSTANDING INDEBTEDNESS OF THE EDA.
IS THERE A SECOND ROLL CALL? MRS. HARRIS, LET ME CATCH UP.
THIS IS, I WOULDN'T READ ALL THAT AND SAY, NO.
WE ARE GOING INTO CLOSE SESSION.
WE WILL HAVE A WORK SESSION AFTERWARDS.
SO IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO STAY FOR THAT, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME ALL.
ALRIGHTY, MRS. OATES, WILL YOU READ US OUT OF CLOSED SESSION? YES.
I MOVE THAT THE BOARD CERTIFIES TO THE BEST OF EACH MEMBER'S KNOWLEDGE ONLY PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS LAWFULLY EXEMPTED FROM OPEN MEETING REQUIREMENTS UNDER SECTIONS TWO DOT TWO DASH 3 7 1 1 A ONE, A SEVEN AND EIGHT OF THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT AND ONLY SUCH PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS.
W AS WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION BY WHICH THE CLOSED MEETING WAS CONVENED WERE HEARD, DISCUSSED, OR CONSIDERED IN THE MEETING BY THE BOARD.
IS THERE A SECOND ROLL CALL, MRS. HAKES MR. MABE, MRS. COOK.
AND CAN WE DO THIS UNDER ADDITIONAL NEW BUSINESS WITHOUT, UH, CHANGING THE AGENDA OR, UH, NO.
YOU WOULD STILL WANT TO CHANGE THE AGENDA, BUT IT CAN BE DONE IN ONE MOTION AND MS. COLORS, I WOULD MOVE THAT WE, UM, ADD TO THE AGENDA TODAY, THE NOMINATION OF A CANDIDATE TO THE NORTHWESTERN COMMUNITY SERVICES BOARD AND A THREE-YEAR TERM.
AND THAT, THAT INDIVIDUAL'S NAME IS CARRIE MCGILLIS.
AND THAT WE WOULD NOMINATE HIM TO, UM, THE TERM ENDING 12 31 24.
AND SO YOU WERE MOVING TO, UH, CHANGE THE AGENDA AND TO TAKE ACTION ON THAT ITEM? CORRECT.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND ROLL CALL, MRS. HAYES, MR. MABE, MRS. COOK.
IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL NEW BUSINESS? OKAY.
UH, IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SECOND, SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.
NEEDING A JOURNEY AND WE WILL GO INTO OUR WORK SESSION.
MR. MABE SAID NOT TO WAIT ON HIM.
[A. Discussion – Proposed Addition of Warren County Code Chapter 39, Guidelines Regarding Requests Made Pursuant to the Public-Private Education Facilities and Infrastructure Act of 2002 – Alisa Scott]
TO GO AHEAD AND START YOUR PRESENTATION.UM, THERE HE COMES IS YOUR MIKE.
NOW YOU SEE THIS POSITION IS TO, UM, REQUEST PERMISSION TO ADVERTISE FOR PUBLIC HEARING ORDINANCE TO ADD SECTION 39 WARREN COUNTY GUIDELINES REGARDING REQUESTS MADE PURSUANT TO THE PUBLIC PRIVATE EDUCATION FACILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE ACT OF 2002.
SO THIS IS A CODIFIED POLICY THAT ALLOWS THE COUNTY TO ACCEPT UNSOLICITED PROPOSALS AND TO, UH, LET SOLICIT AND PROPOSALS FOR PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS.
AND I'VE GIVEN YOU A HANDOUT FROM ICMI THAT GOES INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ABOUT WHAT EXACTLY A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP IS.
BUT AS A VERY GENERAL, OVERCAP, IT'S A, THERE'S A BENEFITS ANALYSIS.
IT'S A WIN-WIN WIN FOR TAXPAYERS, THE PUBLIC SECTOR AND THE PRIVATE SECTOR FOR TAXPAYERS.
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A TAX SAVINGS REALIZED THROUGH THE PRIVATE SECTOR INVESTMENT IN POSITIVE ECONOMIC GROWTH REALIZED AT A FASTER PACE, THE PUBLIC SECTOR BENEFITS BY IMPROVE UNDERSTANDING AND COMMUNICATION OF NEEDS AND A COST-EFFECTIVE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS SAVES RESOURCES FOR THE PRIVATE SECTOR.FIRMS CAN GENUINELY CONTRIBUTE TO THE ECONOMY OF THE COMMUNITY IN SIGNIFICANT BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES FOR SMALL, MEDIUM AND LARGE BUSINESSES.
SO THIS POLICY, UM, IS A BRAND NEW POLICY.
IT DOES NOT REPLACE ANY POLICIES OR ORDINANCES TO THE CODE.
SO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IN ORDER TO BEGIN TO ACCEPT UNSOLICITED PROPOSALS IS TO ADOPT THE POLICY AS PRESENTED.
CAN YOU GIVE SOME EXAMPLES OF WHAT, UM, WHAT KIND OF, UH, RELATIONSHIPS OR PARTNERSHIPS THIS WOULD INCLUDE? UM, I'M PA I GUESS, BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY, MY BRAIN IS KIND OF DRAWING A BLANK ON THIS.
DALY'S COMING TO THE RESCUE HERE.
UM, I KNOW I'VE HEARD OF THEM, BUT I CAN'T COME UP WITH ANY SPECIFIC ONES TO TRIGGER MY MEMORY ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF THINGS THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED ON THIS.
SO, UM, THEY'RE TRADITIONALLY CALLED THREE P PROJECTS AND IT IS DEFINITELY A PROJECT ORIENTED PROCESS.
SOME EXAMPLES OF A RELATIONSHIP INCLUDE THE BUILDING FOR EDUCATION FACILITIES, BUILDINGS, OR FACILITIES THAT MEET A PUBLIC PURPOSE AND ARE DEVELOPED IN OR OPERATED BY OUR, FOR ANY PUBLIC ENTITY IMPROVEMENTS AND EQUIPMENT NECESSARY TO ENHANCE PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, TECHNOLOGY INFRASTRUCTURE, AND, UM, ANYTHING, UH, THAT'S DEFINED, UM, IN THE PPA, BUT THAT'S JUST AN OVERALL GENERAL, UM, IDEA OF WHAT THAT COULD ENTAIL, BUT IT TYPICALLY INVOLVES THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT AND THE PRIVATE SECTOR, UM, ANY CONTRACTOR AND THEN MAYBE A MARKETING FIRM IT'S REALLY DEPENDS ON THE TYPE OF PROJECT THAT, UM, IS GOING TO BE INITIATED.
MA'AM YOU GOT A QUESTION OR, UH, YOU RIGHT HERE, I'M STILL DIGESTING MY THOUGHTS, A COUPLE OF THINGS.
SO THIS IS THE NEW, A NEW POLICY, CORRECT.
SO WHY ARE WE INTRODUCING A NEW POLICY? WE ARE INTRODUCING THIS.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO ANSWER THAT? UM, BECAUSE WE WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN TO, UH, DO TWO THINGS.
ONE, WE WOULD LIKE TO ACCEPT ANY UNSOLICITED PROPOSALS AND B WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO LET SOLICITATIONS FOR PROPOSALS OUT.
SO THOSE ARE THE TWO WAYS THAT THE COUNTY CAN WORK TOGETHER WITH THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO WORK ON INFRASTRUCTURE IS TO ACCEPT PROPOSALS BY PRIVATE ENTITIES THAT HAVE DETERMINED THAT THIS WOULD BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY OR BY THE COUNTY DETERMINING THAT THIS WOULD BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY AND THEN RELEASING THE PROJECT.
MAY I, SO IS IT MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS WILL ALLOW YOU TO GO OUTSIDE OF THE TRADITIONAL VENDOR POOL? THAT IS THAT YOU'RE CONSTRAINED TO, UM, BY CERTAIN, SO CERTAIN BUILDING, UM, ARCHITECTURAL FIRMS, IF YOU WANT TO GO OUTSIDE FOR PUBLIC, UH, YOU CAN DO THAT.
IS THAT WHAT THIS IS FOR? OR NO, SPECIFICALLY, IT'S, IT'S MORE TO PUT LESS OF A BURDEN ON THE TAXPAYERS AND MORE OF A BURDEN FINANCIALLY SPEAKING AND PROJECTS SPEAKING ON THE PRIVATE SECTOR SO THAT THE RISK IS MORE ON THE PRIVATE SECTOR AND NOT ON THE PUBLIC SECTOR SECTOR, STAY WITH OUR CURRENT BROADBAND, BE CONSIDERED THAT WHERE WE PARTNERED WITH A PRIVATE ENTITY TO BRING IN BROADBAND.
IS THAT SOMETHING SIMILAR, SIMILAR IT'S DIFFERENT, BUT IT IS SIMILAR.
UM, YOU WERE ASKED FOR EXAMPLES, DANIEL MORGAN, MIDDLE SCHOOL IN WINCHESTER.
OH, THE EXTENSION OF THE REGIONAL JAIL AND WINCHESTER, SOCIAL SERVICES BUILDING AND HOPE.
WELL, A RENOVATION OF THE THEATER AND HOPE WELL RENOVATION OF THE MARINA AND HOPE, WELL, ALL PROJECTS THAT YOU CAN DO THE RIGHT NOW, WHEN YOU DO TRADITIONAL BILL, YOU, UH, YOU ENGAGE AN ARCHITECT AND CREATE PLANS.
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BUILDS AGAINST THE PLAN.YOU RECENTLY DID A PROJECT THAT, UH, THE CONTRACTOR, THE BUILDER, UH, I'VE KNOWN FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.
AND HE TOLD ME VERY CLEARLY THAT IT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE SUBSTANTIALLY LESS IF THE ARCHITECT HAD BEEN WORKING FOR THE CONTRACTOR RATHER THAN THE COUNTY, BECAUSE THAT MEANS THE CONTRACT BRINGS IN A PROJECT MRS. OATES HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT, AND YOU'VE LOOKED AT OVER, UH, IN FRONT OF ROYAL, UH, THE CONTRACTOR WHO WOULD CREATE PLAN, THEY HIRE THE ARCHITECT AND WE THEN REVIEW IT AND WE HAVE ALL THE REVIEWS ON IT.
BUT WE GET THE ADVANTAGE OF THE CONTRACTOR, PUTTING HIS EXPERTISE IN THERE AS PART OF THE DESIGN SO THAT YOU REDUCE THAT COST.
AND THEN, THEN YOU WOULD NEVER HAVE THE ARGUMENT.
WELL, THE ARCHITECT DESIGNED IT WRONG.
NO, THE ENGINEER MANUFACTURED IT WRONG.
NO, THE CONTRACTOR INSTALLED IT WRONG.
THE ONLY PERSON YOUR CONTRACT IS WITH THE CONTRACTOR.
I GOT YOU, YOUR CONTRACT AND THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE TO YOU FOR THE CRACK IS CONTRACT AND WHAT HE DOES WITH EVERYBODY ELSE.
THAT'S BETWEEN HIM AND THE ENGINEER, THE CONTRACTOR ARCHITECT, ET CETERA.
OKAY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE THIS, BUT IT'S A TOOL THAT ALLOWS WHEN SOMEBODY COMES IN WITH A PROPOSAL THAT YOU CAN EVALUATE.
AND IF YOU LIKED THE IDEA AND THE CONCEPT, THEN YOU PUT IT OUT TO BID AND SOMEBODY ELSE HAS TO BID AGAINST IT.
IN THE CASE OF THE DANIEL MORGAN MIDDLE SCHOOL, THE PROPOSAL CAME IN ON A PPA.
AND WHEN WE PUT IT OUT TO BID 60 DAYS LATER, ANOTHER CONTRACTOR CAME IN AND OUTBID IT, UNDERBIDDING THEM, I SHOULD SAY, AND TOTALLY CHANGED THE DESIGN.
WE GOT TO SEE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT DESIGN FOR WHAT WE HAD ANTICIPATED.
SO IT GIVES YOU THE EXPERTISE OF THE ARCHITECTS AND THE CONTRACTORS, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPEND ANY MONEY TILL YOU CONTRACT WITH SOMEBODY, BUT YOU'VE GOT TO MAKE A REASONABLE INTEREST.
IF YOU'RE NOT INTERESTED IN THE PROJECT YOU WANT TO TELL THEM, SO THEY'RE NOT WASTING THEIR TIME.
OTHERWISE, IT'S JUST A TOOL IN YOUR, OH, YOU TALKED IN YOUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ABOUT THE NEED FOR SOME FIRE STATIONS.
AND THERE ARE GENERIC FIRE STATIONS, DESIGNS THAT ARE AVAILABLE NOW THAT THE CHIEF HAS BEEN LOOKING AT AND HE CAN LOOK AT A GENERIC DESIGN, A CONTRACTOR CAN COME IN, TAKE THAT DESIGN AND CREATE A SPECIFIC PROPOSAL FOR US AND THEN SUBMIT IT AS A, WITH A COST PROPOSAL.
BUT IT'S WITH THAT, THAT WOULD FALL UNDERNEATH THE DEFINITION OF UNSOLICITED.
SO THEN AT THAT POINT WE WOULD STILL PUT AN RFP OUT.
WELL, THEN WE PUT THIS DESIGN LESS, WHATEVER THE CONTRACTOR SUBMITS LESS THE, UM, WE PUT THE, TAKE THE GENERICS OF IT, LESS, ALL THE FINANCIALS AND SO FORTH AND PUT THEM UP FOR PROPOSAL.
AND EVERYBODY GETS TO BID AGAINST SUBMIT AGAINST THAT.
AND THEY NORMALLY, I THINK WE'RE PROPOSING HERE 60 DAYS.
I PERSONALLY, I LIKE 60 BETTER.
SO CURRENTLY THE WAY WE DO IT IS WE SAY, WE NEED A FIRE DEPARTMENT.
WE LOOK TO OUR ARCHITECTS, THEY COME UP WITH SOMETHING AND THEN WE BID IT OUT TO THOSE SPECS OF, AND THEN AT SOME POINT IT HAPPENS OR IT DOESN'T HAPPEN IN DEPENDING ON WHO'S LOOKING AT IT.
UM, WE LOOK AT THAT ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN AND SAY, WELL, THIS IS A LITTLE TOO MUCH, OR WE DON'T WANT THIS.
AND WE, WE DO IT WHERE WITH THIS PROPOSAL, WE SAY, WE NEED A FIRE DEPARTMENT.
THEY BRING US, WE LOOK AT, WE LIKE CHIEF MAY HAVE SOME IDEAS, BUT WE'VE
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CUT THAT MIDDLE ARCHITECT OUT, WHICH HAS BEEN A SIGNIFICANT COST TO US ON SOME OF THESE BILLS.AND YOU STILL HAVE THE ARCHITECT, BUT THE ARCHITECT IS NOT FROM THE SAME ARCHITECT.
BUT THEY'RE WORKING FOR THE CONTRACTOR, LIKE ON THE, UH, PROPOSAL THAT THE TWO OF YOU, YOU AND MRS. OATES HAD TALKED ABOUT.
UM, THE CONTRACTOR IS USING THE SAME ARCHITECT WHO DID OUR PRELIMINARY WORK WHEN WE LOOKED AT THAT SITE ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO.
SO IT'S THE SAME ARCHITECT IN MANY PROJECTS.
THEY JUST LOOK AT IT A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
THERE'S A DIFFERENT ANGLE, HOW YOU LOOK AT IT.
AND YOU STILL, WHEN YOU SELECT, AFTER YOU INTERVIEW THE VARIOUS SUBMISSIONS AND YOU GET FIVE SUBMISSIONS, YOU INTERVIEW THOSE PEOPLE, LISTEN TO THEIR PRESENTATIONS, CHECK THEIR REFERENCES, AND YOU SELECT YOUR CONTRACTOR.
THEN YOU DO THE COMPREHENSIVE AGREEMENT.
AND WHEN YOU DO THAT COMPREHENSIVE AGREEMENT, YOU GET TO TWEAK THE PLAN.
SO IF CHIEF HAD A ROOM OVER HERE AND THE PROPOSAL COMES IN WITH THE ROOM OVER HERE, WHEN YOU DO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, CHIEF GETS TO SAY, WELL, IS THERE ANY WAY YOU CAN DO THAT? WELL, YES OR NO, OR IT'S GOING TO CHANGE THE PRICE, WHATEVER THEY GET TO TALK ABOUT.
ANYTHING THAT THE CLIENT WANTS TO PUT IN THERE.
AND THIS JUST BECOMES A TOOL UNTIL YOU ACTUALLY HAVE A PROPOSAL FROM SOMEONE.
AND THEN THE BOARD HAS TO REVIEW THE PROPOSAL AND GO FROM THERE.
SO I'M GOING TO ASK AN OBVIOUS QUESTION.
SO ARE WE SOLICITING UNSOLICITED PROPOSALS? THERE'S A LINE THERE.
AND THE LION BEEN DOWN THAT NUMEROUS TIMES, UM, SOCIAL SERVICES BUILDING.
WE SAID WE WANTED THIS SIZE BUILDING, BUT WE DID NOT DESIGN IT.
SO WE DID NOT GIVE A SET OF SPECS.
THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A SOLICITED PROPOSAL.
AS LONG AS WE JUST HAVE THIS FIRE STATION THAT WE WANT TO BE X SQUARE FEET AND THIS SIZE IN THE BAY AREA AND THIS SIZE IN THE LIVING QUARTERS AND THE OFFICE, THEN IT'S STILL GENERIC.
AND IT'S STILL UNSOLVED, EXCUSE ME, UNSOLICITED.
UH, IN MANY CASES WITH AN UNSOLICITED, THEY HAVE TO FIND THE SITE.
UH, THEN WE, OR WE CAN SAY, WE HAVE THIS PROPERTY THAT'S AVAILABLE.
DO YOU WANT TO USE IT AND MAKE YOUR PROPOSAL BASED ON IT? BUT THEN YOU LET ANYBODY ELSE WHO WANTS TO SUBMIT, USE THAT SAME PIECE OF PROPERTY.
I WRITE ALL THE SPECS, THEN IT'S SOLICITED.
SO, UM, I GOT A LITTLE CONFUSED NOW BECAUSE FROM WHERE I'M FROM, FOR WHAT I HAD DONE IN THE PAST, THAT UNSOLICITED PROPOSAL IS WHEN A COMPANY COMES TO IS AN AGENCY OR ANOTHER COMPANY AND SAYS, HEY, I HEAR YOU NEED XYZ.
I HAVE A, I GOT A PLAN FOR YOU.
AND THEN PR AND THEN PRESENT IT PROPOSAL, RIGHT.
TO BE THAT'S AN UNSOLICITED PROPOSAL.
SO, BUT, BUT SEE THAT, BUT THE WAY YOU JUST DESCRIBED IT, MAYBE THIS WHY I GOT CONFUSED, THE WAY YOU JUST DESCRIBED IT IS THAT WE HAVE ALREADY ESTABLISHED REQUIREMENTS FOR A BUILDING OR MODIFYING IT FACILITY AND NOT, YOU KNOW, I, I GUESS NOT PUBLICIZING IT.
SO HOW WOULD YOU GET A CONTRACTOR TO DO AN UNSOLICITED? IF THEY DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS A NEED OR HAD THE REQUIREMENTS OF A NEED, THAT'S WHERE I'M CONFUSED.
SO YOU CAN PUBLICLY SAY, AND YOU WOULD PUT IT IN.
NOW YOU WOULD PUT IT ON THE WEBSITE.
UH, COUNTY OF WARREN SEEKS UNSOLICITED PROPOSALS FOR THIS TYPE OF BUILDING AND YOU HAVE FOUR OR FIVE PRIMARY BULLETS AND SPARS RESIZE AND SO FORTH.
SO THAT'S A REQUEST FOR INFORMATION AND A REQUEST FOR INFORMATION.
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AND THEN WE LET SOMEBODY PUT ALL THAT TOGETHER TO CREATE IT FOR US.AND ONCE THEY CREATE IT, THEN EVERYBODY ELSE GETS TO BID AGAINST IT, WHICH THE FIRST GROUP CONSIDERS UNFAIR, WHICH IS WHY THEY ONLY WANTED 45 DAYS.
BUT IT, SOMETIMES YOU GET A BETTER BID.
AND AS I SAID, DANIEL, MORGAN, MIDDLE SCHOOL, WE GOT A BETTER BID THE SECOND TIME.
UM, SO WHEN SOLICIT, IT CAN MEAN TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
CAUSE I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING AS MRS. COOK AND WORKING ON A PROPOSAL FOR A CITY HALL, IT WAS TOTALLY UNSOLICITED.
THE CONTRACTOR CAME IN AND SAID, THIS WAS WHERE WE COULD PUT IT.
AND THIS IS APPROXIMATELY THE COST.
ARE YOU INTERESTED? AND THAT WAS UNSOLICITED.
I MEAN, A CONTRACTOR HAD COME IN AND HAD TALKED IN THE OFFICE, BUT THAT WAS IT.
SO IF I REMEMBER FROM MY PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION CLASS, THIS WAS DESIGNED TO LOWER THE TOTAL COST OF GOODS AND SERVICES TO THE GOVERNMENT BECAUSE SURPRISE, SURPRISE.
MOST PEOPLE THINK THAT DOING BUSINESS WITH THE GOVERNMENT IS A LICENSE TO MARK EVERYTHING UP, UH, 125% OR MORE.
AND SO THIS ACTUALLY MITIGATES THAT BECAUSE IT GIVES YOU A MORE COMPETITIVE, UH, ARRANGEMENT.
IF I'M UNDERSTANDING IT CORRECTLY.
MY LAB HAS BEEN ABOUT 30% MAN.
SO IS THERE GOING TO BE A SALIENT ON THE TYPE OF UNSOLICITED UNSOLICITED OFFERS FOR THIS PROPOSAL? NOT NECESSARILY, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO BUILD YOU A CIVIC CENTER, YOU OUGHT TO AT LEAST LISTEN TO IT.
IT DOESN'T COST ANYTHING TO LISTEN.
THAT'S FOR CERTAIN, WHEN THE COUNTY RECEIVES AN UNSOLICITED PROPOSAL, EACH MEMBER OF THE BOARD WOULD RECEIVE A COPY OF THAT PROPOSAL.
AND IT'S AN INVESTMENT FOR THIS PRIVATE FIRM AS THEY WILL BE SUBMITTING A FEE WHEN THEY PUT THEIR APPLICATION IN OR WOULD THEY PUT THEIR PROPOSAL IN THAT FEE IS SET AT $2,500 RIGHT NOW.
AND THAT'S VERY COMMON ACROSS THE BOARD.
THERE'S OTHER LOCALITIES THAT CHARGE MORE FOR UNSOLICITED PROPOSALS, BUT IT'S QUITE THE INVESTMENT FOR A CONSTRUCTION COMPANY OR A DESIGN BUILD TYPE OF FIRM TO PUT THAT INTO CONSIDERATION FOR THE BOARD TO REVIEW.
AND WITHOUT THIS, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO DO THAT PROCESS.
WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS ADOPTED, UM, BY THE GOVERNING BODY.
SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE HAVE AN UNSOLICITED UNSOLICITED PROPOSAL FOR A NEW CO COURTHOUSE AND WE REVIEWED WHAT THE CONTRACTOR IS PROPOSING.
AND IF WE DECIDE THAT, YEAH, WE WANT A NEW COURTHOUSE AND THIS PROPOSAL UNSOLICITED PROPOSAL THAT WE'RE SEEING FROM THIS CONTRACTORS, WHAT WE WANT, OR WE TWEAK IT OR WHATEVER, THEN WE GO BACK AND THEN WE, UH, PERFORM THE NORMAL RFP PROCESS FOR COMPETITIVE BIDS, NOT EXACTLY NORMAL BECAUSE WE THEN PUT THIS PROPOSAL LESS, WHATEVER THIS CONTRACTOR BROUGHT US AND WITH THIS CONTRACTOR BROUGHT US A, UM, THREE STORY BUILDING BRICK BUILDING SIMILAR TO THE, UH, FREDERICK COUNTY OFFICE BUILDING DOWNTOWN WINCHESTER.
THEN WE PUT THAT AS A GENERIC UP AS THE SPEC, LESS ALL THE FINANCES, FINANCES ARE WITHDRAWN, RIGHT? AND FIRMS B, C AND D BID AGAINST THAT.
TO SAY, WE COULD BUILD THE SAME THING OR WE WOULD BUILD IT SLIGHTLY LARGER, OR WE WOULD BUILD IT SLIGHTLY SMALLER OR WHATEVER, BUT THEY'LL COME BACK, UH, WITH PROPOSAL TO MEET THE SAME GENERAL REQUIREMENTS, UH, DANIEL MORGAN, IT WAS GOING TO BE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF SQUARE FEET, SERVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF STUDENTS.
AND FIRST ONE BROUGHT IT IN FACING THIS WAY.
THE SECOND ONE BROUGHT IT IN FACING THIS WAY.
AND IT WAS SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT THAN COSTS.
SO THIS PROCESS IS SIMILAR TO AN RFI PROCESS.
YES, MA'AM, I'VE PROVIDED, UH, A PACKET FOR YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE,
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UH, FROM ICM.UH, IT GOES INTO THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF, UM, PPP PROPOSALS THAT CAN BE RECEIVED, UM, AND THE PROCESS THAT'S INVOLVED WITH THAT.
SO GO AHEAD AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THE POLICY.
IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, WE, WE TOOK THIS OFF, BUT THIS GOES BEFORE, UM, WE DO A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS.
SO YOU WOULD LOOK AT THIS WHERE YOU WOULD SCHEDULE IT FOR, WE PUT IT ON FOR, TO SCHEDULE A HEARING ON THE THIRD, UH, PROBABLY THE 19TH AND DO IT.
THE BEGINNING OF MAY DO IT AS THE DAY HEARING HAVE A DAY HEARING VERSUS OUR TRADITIONAL EVENING SO THAT YOU DON'T CONFLICT WITH ALL THE KIND OF CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS.
I D I JUST DON'T WANT TO CONFUSE PEOPLE AND WE'LL HAVE THIS INFORMATION UP ON THE WEBSITE THAT PEOPLE, IF THEY WANT TO SEE IT CAN SEE IT.
WELL, THANK YOU ON THAT ONE, I CAN LINK THIS PACKET TO THE PROCUREMENT PAGE.
I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE THE EASIEST PLACE FOR THE PUBLIC TO FIND IT, BECAUSE IT WASN'T INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.
LIKE THE POLICY WAS SMALL, JUST HAVE THIS UPLOADED TO THE PROCUREMENT PAGE.
AND WE USUALLY HAVE THESE IN A BINDER OR SOMETHING.
IF SOMEONE COMES IN AND WANTS TO PHYSICALLY SEE IT OR NOT, THERE IS A BINDER OUT THERE THAT'S FOR PUBLIC INSPECTION.
[B. Discussion – Proposed Amendments to Chapter 38 (Procurement) of the Warren County Code Regarding County Purchasing Policy – Alisa Scott]
MOVE ON TO ITEM B? YES, ABSOLUTELY.THE DISCUSSION OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO CHAPTER 38 PROCUREMENT.
SO THIS POLICY IS A PROCUREMENT POLICY.
UM, THIS BASED OFF OF THE VIRGINIA PUBLIC PROCUREMENT ACT WHERE PUBLIC ENTITIES, SUCH AS WARREN COUNTY ARE AUTHORIZED TO GO THROUGH ORDINANCES OR RESOLUTIONS TO ESTABLISH OUR OWN POLICIES AND PROCEDURES THAT GATE, THE PROCUREMENT ACT, UH, CURRENTLY CHAPTER 38 PROCUREMENT OF THE WORM CODE ONLY INCLUDES A PROCESS FOR SOLICITATION AND EXECUTION FOR DESIGN BUILD CONTRACTS.
THIS ORDINANCE IS THE ONLY CODIFIED PROCUREMENT POLICY FOR THE COUNTY AND WAS MOST RECENTLY ADOPTED ON OCTOBER 2ND, 2007.
THE PROCUREMENT ACT IS UPDATED EACH YEAR.
AND AS SUCH A STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE WARREN COUNTY CODE NOT ONLY REFLECT PREVIOUS UPDATES, BUT ALSO ADOPT ARTICLES THAT WILL PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND GUIDANCE TO COUNTY OFFICIALS AND EMPLOYEES.
THE PURPOSE OF THIS ORDINANCE IS TO INCREASE PUBLIC CONFIDENCE IN PURCHASING TO ENCOURAGE COMPETITION AMONG VENDORS AND CONTRACTORS TO ADMINISTER FAIR AND IMPARTIAL PURCHASING PROCEDURES AND TO OBTAIN HIGH QUALITY GOODS AND SERVICES AT A REASONABLE COST.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THE BOARD APPEAL, THE EXISTING SECTION 30 EIGHT.ONE DESIGN BUILD CONTRACTS AND ADD THE ATTACH ARTICLES TO CHAPTER 38 TO MAKE UP THE WARREN COUNTY PROCUREMENT ACT.
I'M SORRY, I'M THINKING ABOUT POLICY.
ADDITIONALLY STAFF RECOMMENDS THE PURCHASING AGENT CONSISTENTLY REVIEW ANY CHANGES TO THE PROCUREMENT ACT EACH YEAR, WHICH IS USUALLY OCCURRING IN JULY OR AUGUST AND PRESENT THOSE UPDATES FOR THE BOARD TO THE BOARD FOR THEIR REVIEW.
THE HANDOUT THAT I JUST PROVIDED TO YOU WAS WHAT WAS PROVIDED TO US BY LETTING INSIGHT JASON BUCKSKINS.
AND I FELT THAT THE POLICY REALLY NEEDED TO BE MORE READABLE.
SO WHAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET, UH, IS THE VERSION THAT I ESSENTIALLY HACKED AND SLASHED AND MADE INTO A MORE READABLE VERSION THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE BREAKS AND, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT, WITH THE POLICY.
IT'S MORE THE GENERAL PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND.
UM, I DO FULLY SUPPORT THE PROCUREMENT POLICY THAT I JUST PROVIDED TO YOU FROM LETTING INSIGHT.
UM, PUBLIC PROCUREMENT IS A VERY COMPLEX PROCESS.
AND AS SUCH, IT DOES NEED TO GO INTO DETAIL WHEN CERTAIN QUESTIONS ARE ASKED.
SO THIS POLICY ADDRESSES EVERYTHING THAT THE PROCUREMENT ACT, UM, ORDAINS FOR THE COUNTY.
SO THIS IS A VERSION THAT I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO REVIEW RATHER THAN THE VERSION THAT WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR, IN YOUR PACKET, HOW FAR, HOW FAR OFF OF WHERE WE ARE, WHAT WE DO WE'RE DOING VERSUS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING, BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY CODIFIED POLICY WE
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HAVE IS THE DESIGN BUILD CONTRACT.THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT THE COUNTY CAN, UM, REALLY USE AS A BACKUP.
OTHER THAN THAT, WE HAVE THRESHOLDS THAT ARE NOT CONSISTENT, AND WE HAVE POLICIES THAT ARE OUTDATED WITH THE PROCUREMENT ACT.
THEY DON'T REFLECT THE CURRENT CHANGES IN THE PROCUREMENT ACT.
SO WE'RE JUST MAKING OUR SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE NOW THAT ABSOLUTELY THIS IS DEFINITELY GOING TO MAKE THE SYSTEM BETTER.
IT'S GOING TO BE VERY TRANSPARENT.
UM, AND IT IS DEFINITELY GOOD TO ANSWER MORE QUESTIONS THAT THE PUBLIC MAY HAVE ABOUT WHAT IS INVOLVED IN THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS.
WELL, IT'S, I'VE READ WHAT WAS IN THIS PACKAGE.
UM, THIS IS GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE READING FOR SURE.
UM, AND IT, I, YOU KNOW, JUST TO KIND OF GET, UH, AN IDEA AND I KNOW, UM, WHAT LITTLE BIT WE'VE WE'VE DONE PROCUREMENT WAS I THINK WHAT WAS IT, THERE WAS A $20,000 THRESHOLD, ANYTHING OVER 20,000 HAD TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD, BEFORE IT COULD BE PURCHASED.
UM, AND I SEE A LOT OF DIFFERENT DOLLAR AMOUNTS IN HERE, AND IT IS A LOT TO READ.
SO, UM, WE MAY HAVE TO GET TOGETHER TO BREAK IT DOWN.
IS THAT GOING TO BE STILL, YOU KNOW, OR DOES EACH INDIVIDUAL THING FALL UNDER A DIFFERENT CATEGORY AND NOT EVERYTHING OVER 20,000 COMES TO THE BOARD? UM, AND I KNOW THAT'S A WIDE OPEN QUESTION WHEN THERE'S THIS MUCH INFORMATION AND IT'S FALLS UNDER A LOT OF DIFFERENT, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING AT BID BONDS, PERFORMANCE AND PAYMENTS BONDS AND ALL THIS.
SO HOW, HOW MUCH INVOLVEMENT IS THE BOARD GOING TO HAVE IN THE DECISION MAKING ON THESE THINGS ON THE FRONT COUNTER, THE BOARD IS GOING TO SEE THE BUDGET AND ADOPT THE BUDGET EVERY YEAR.
SO THE BOARD IS GOING TO SEE THE MAJOR PURCHASES THAT DEPARTMENTS HAVE STATED THAT THEY NEED.
SO ANYTHING THAT'S ADOPTED IT'S, THAT'S GOING TO BE A MAJOR PURCHASE, WILL BE APPROVED BY THE BOARD AT THE FRONT COUNTER ON THE, ON THE BACK.
AND YOU WILL SEE THE TRANSACTIONS AND YOU WOULD SEE PURCHASES OVER $200,000, WHICH IS THE NEW RECOMMENDED SMALL DOLLAR THRESHOLD.
THIS THRESHOLD ALIGNS WITH, UH, STATE AGENCIES.
SO IT INCREASES THE THRESHOLD FOR, FOR SMALL PURCHASES FROM 20,000 TO 200,000.
AND THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO STAY CONSISTENT WITH THE STATE.
SO IF THERE'S EVER A QUESTION OR GRANT MONEY WERE TO BE SPENT FOR THE FEDERAL OR THE STATE THAT THE WARREN COUNTY POLICY WOULD ALREADY ALIGN WITH THE VIRGINIA POLICY, CAN WE CHANGE THAT? CAN WE, I'M SORRY.
WELL, MY QUESTION WAS GOING TO BE OKAY.
UM, LET'S SAY I FORGOT OR SOMETHING BROKE DOWN AFTER THE BUDGET SESSION, WHERE IF I HAD PUT IN ITEM 1, 2, 3, THAT I WANTED IN MY BUDGET, WE APPROVED IT.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE APPROVED IT AND YOU CAN START THE PURCHASING, BUT LET'S SAY SOMETHING OVER 200,000 COMES UP.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T VOTE ON THAT.
I HAVE A BIT OF A HEARTBURN OVER THAT.
IF IT WAS AN EMERGENCY, THEN THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR WOULD BE ABLE TO APPROVE THE EMERGENCY, BUT IT HAS TO BE A TRUE EMERGENCY AS DEFINED IN THIS POLICY.
AND THEN AT THE NEXT AVAILABLE REGULAR MEETING, THE PURCHASING AGENT WOULD ADDRESS THE BOARD AND LET THEM BE AWARE OF THE PURCHASE AND THE CIRCUMSTANCES SURROUNDING THE EMERGENCY AND WHY IT WAS AN EMERGENCY.
BUT CAN YOU CHANGE THAT TOTAL AMOUNT? WE CAN MAKE IT LESS RESTRICTIVE, BUT CAN'T MAKE IT MORE THAN WHAT IT IS FOR THE STATE CODE, BUT WE CAN MAKE IT A MORE RESTRICTIVE.
AND THAT'S A CHOICE THAT WE, WE, UH, DEFINITELY YES.
UM, THERE ARE OTHER LOCALITIES WHO HAVE DIFFERENT, UH, THRESHOLDS.
UM, THERE ARE A FEW, UH, TOWNS AND COUNTIES WHO HAVE THRESHOLDS THAT ARE MORE OR LESS THAN THAT.
AND THAT DEPENDS ON, UM, WHAT, THEY'VE, WHAT THEIR BOARD HAS ADOPTED.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT LOCALITIES.
I'M JUST TRYING TO LOOK FROM A PIECE OF PAPER THAT HAS THAT ON IT.
UM, THEY HAVE THE THRESHOLDS OF 200,000 AND SOME THAT HAVE LESS THAN THAT.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I, I THINK
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I LIKE TO HAVE, UH, A LONGER DISCUSSION THE, ON, NOT NECESSARILY TODAY.I JUST, LIKE I SAID, I GET HEARTBURN OVER RECENT YEARS EVENTS.
I, UM, I FEEL LIKE I NEED TO BE MORE OF A HAWK AND OOH, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY, BUT IF I COULD ADD TO THAT, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, SINCE THE INCIDENT YEARS AGO, I HAVE SEEN THE IMPROVEMENT AND TRANSPARENCY IN THE WAY THE COUNTY IS BEING OPERATED TODAY.
I'VE WITNESSED OF HIRING GOOD PEOPLE.
I AGREE WITH SPECIALIZE IN THEIR FIELDS THAT I DON'T FEEL, YOU KNOW, THAT I THINK THAT WE CAN START LOOSENING THAT GRIP.
I MEAN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S GOING TO BE THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR LIABLE FOR ALL OF THIS.
SO IF THE CANYON A REAL EMERGENCY, YOU GOT THAT, RIGHT.
SO YOU HAVE TO RE YOU KNOW, I GUESS I ALWAYS HAVE A SAYING, YOU'RE ONLY AS GOOD AS YOUR PEOPLE ARE.
AND, YOU KNOW, WELL, I GUESS WE'LL HEAR AT A PUBLIC HEARING HOW THE PUBLIC FEELS ABOUT THAT.
DID THIS GOES, I I'M, AND I DON'T WANT TO, I THINK YOU'RE DOING A WONDERFUL JOB, AND I THINK YOU'RE DOING A WONDERFUL JOB.
I JUST, IT MAKES ME A BIT UNCOMFORTABLE BECAUSE I'M DEALING WITH SOMEBODY ELSE'S MONEY.
AND WHEN I'M DEALING WITH SOMEBODY ELSE'S MONEY, I'M A LITTLE HARDER THAN, YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS SAY I CAN GO OUT AND BUY THINGS FOR MY FAMILY.
I'M A TIGHTWAD WITH ME THOUGH.
SO, AND THAT'S KIND OF MY MENTALITY.
I NEED TO KNOW THAT I'M BEING AS PROTECTIVE OF THE TAXPAYER'S MONEY AS POSSIBLE.
AND, UM, AND NOT SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE ARE ON, ON THE RIGHT PATH, BUT I DON'T WANT TO BE NAIVE AND, AND GOING FROM $20,000 TO 200 WHO THAT'S LIKE GOING FROM TAKING CHEWING THE BABY ASPIRIN TO TAKE IN THE WHOPPER PILL AND IT'S LARD TO.
BUT THEN YOU CAN LOOK AT THE OTHER SIDE, IS THAT THAT'S HOW LONG IT'S BEEN SINCE WE'VE UPDATED OUR POLICIES HEARING THAT SHOULD BE UPDATED EVERY YEAR.
AND WE HAVEN'T DONE IT SINCE 2007.
WE'RE ALSO LOOKING OUT FOR OUR POSTERITY.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT JUST US, IT'S THE NEXT GROUP, IT'S THE NEXT GROUP, IT'S THE NEXT GROUP.
AND HOPEFULLY THEY'RE GOING TO UPDATE THEIR POLICIES AS WELL.
AND SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND AS WELL THAT THE COUNTY DID, BUT NOT CONSISTENTLY IN THE PAST WAS TO USE THE STATE'S PROCUREMENT PORTAL, EVA.
AND SO THE CURRENT POLICY PROPOSES THAT ANY DOLLAR AMOUNT UP TO, AND INCLUDING $10,000, UH, HAS, UH, ONE VALID QUOTE, ANYTHING OVER THE PURCHASE OF $10,000 UP TO, AND INCLUDING $200,000 WITH CERTAIN EXCEPTIONS FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES.
AND, UH, TRANSPORTATION-RELATED CONSTRUCTION.
THOSE, THOSE SOLICITATIONS AND THOSE AWARDS WOULD BE EITHER SOLICITED THROUGH EVA, WHICH HAS THOUSANDS OF VENDORS THAT WOULD RECEIVE THESE NOTIFICATIONS AND HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND.
OR IF WE HAD AN AWARD THAT WITH A VENDOR THAT WAS NOT ON EVA, WE WOULD STILL POST THE AWARD.
SO, AND THAT'S DIRECTLY LINKED ON THE PROCUREMENT PAGE.
SO ANYBODY CAN GO AND TAKE A LOOK AT ANY OF THE AWARDS THAT WE'VE ISSUED FOR SOLE SOURCE OR EMERGENCY OR COOPERATIVE, ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT WAS OVER $10,000.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE, THE PURCHASES OVER $200,000 WILL BE POSTED ONTO EVA BECAUSE THAT'S HOW WE WOULD USE THE COMPETITIVE SEALED PROCESS.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO TOUCH ON TOO.
THERE ARE MORE APPROVAL AUTHORITIES OTHER THAN JUST FINE.
SO WHAT MS. SCOTT WAS TALKING ABOUT WITH THE BUDGET, WHENEVER WE DO THE ANNUAL BUDGET, EVERY YEAR, WE TELL YOU IT'S GOING TO BE 50,000 MORE DOLLARS TO BUY A TRACTOR.
AND SO THEN YOU APPROVE IT WITH A BUDGET AND YOU HAVE THE MONEY SET UP.
SO THEY'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO IMPLEMENT MORE RAPIDLY THAN WE'VE DONE NOW IS THAT YOU ACTUALLY APPLY BUDGET BEFORE YOU EVER MAKE PURCHASES.
SO THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING TO SAY YOUR APPROVAL.
EVERY TIME WE INCREASE THE BUDGET, YOU DO APPROVE THAT, GO THROUGH THE BOARD.
SO WHENEVER WE HAVE THE $150,000 THING COME UP, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS YOU'RE GOING TO GET A BUDGET ACTION BEFORE YOU THAT SAYS THEY NEED $150,000.
THIS IS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GET THE $150,000 FROM IT'S IN SUPPORT OF THIS PURCHASE.
SO IT'S NOT THAT YOU LOSE ALL APPROVAL AUTHORITY.
YOU'RE JUST GAINING IT ON THE FRONT END, WHICH IS WHERE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE.
ANYWAY, BECAUSE WE CAN'T JUST SPEND $150,000.
YOU GOT TO FIND THE $150,000 FOR, RIGHT.
AND I THINK ONCE, BECAUSE IN, I MAY BE WRONG, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IN THE PAST, INSTEAD OF PEOPLE PUTTING IN THEIR BUDGET, UM, AND WE APPROVE THAT BUDGET WITH KNOWING
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THIS, DEPARTMENT'S GOING TO NEED THIS, THIS DEPARTMENT'S GOING TO NEED THESE THINGS, UM, THAT IT SEEMS TO COME UP DURING THE YEAR AND, YOU KNOW, VEHICLES SHOW UP, OR THIS SHOWS UP AND IT'S LIKE THIS, YOU KNOW? SO, UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THAT WE'RE, AND, AND THAT'S WHY I SAID THIS MORNING, I'LL BE GLAD WHEN WE HAVE THAT INVENTORY LIST AND WE KNOW WHAT WE HAVE, WE KNOW WHAT WE NEED.AND, YOU KNOW, HAVING A PLAN LIKE THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS DOING BEFORE THERE WASN'T A PLAN TO REPLACE THINGS.
SO HOW DO YOU COME UP WITH KNOWING WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO NEED WHEN THERE WAS NO PLAN? AND I THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
SO WHEN, YOU KNOW, THEN ONCE WE'VE SEEN IT, WE'VE SAID, OKAY, THAT MAKES SENSE.
AND IF FIRETRUCK CALLS $750,000, I UNDERSTAND WE APPROVED.
SO YOU CAN DO YOUR PROCESS TO DO THAT.
IT'S JUST THE LITTLE THINGS THAT SEEM TO SHOOT OFF, OFF THE SIDES.
AND THEN YOU GET A CALL SAYING, WHY DID YOU GUYS DO THIS OR THAT? AND WE DON'T HAVE A CLUE.
SO IF WE ARE APPROVING THESE LARGE EXPENDITURES AT THE BUDGET PROCESS, I WOULD THINK THAT WE WOULD SEE THOSE TYPE OF EXPENDITURES ON THE CAPITAL, INFANT, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AND THE CAPITAL ASSET AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
SO WE WOULD ALL WHERE THEY HAVE THAT EXPOSURE, TRANSPARENCY OF THOSE LARGE PURCHASES.
UM, THIS IS JUST SOMETHING I'M GOING TO THROW OUT, OOPS, THROW OUT ON THE TABLE, OKAY.
TO GIVE YOU, YOU KNOW, SOME CONTROL, IF YOU WILL, OF ANYTHING THAT'S ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT, MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING YOU COULD PUT IN THE POLICY, YOU KNOW, STATING JUST THAT, YOU KNOW, IN ANY EXPENDITURE, WHATEVER THE LIMIT YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH, IF IT'S NOT CALLED OUT ON THIS PLAN, OR THAT PLAN WOULD NEED TO COME TO THE BOARD, UNLESS THAT'S ALREADY, UNLESS THAT'S ALREADY IN A PROCEDURE SOMEPLACE, YOU KNOW, TO, TO SAY, OKAY, SO THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT WE WERE, WHAT WE APPROVED AT THE BEGINNING FOR THE FISCAL YEAR BUDGET AS A SUGGESTION.
WELL, I KNOW IN THE PAST PEOPLE HAVE HAD MONEY IN SPECIAL PROJECTS AND THEN THEY WILL COME THROUGHOUT THE YEAR AND SAY, I'VE GOT X NUMBER OF DOLLARS IN SPECIAL PROJECTS.
I'D LIKE TO BUY THIS OR THAT, THAT WASN'T IN THE BUDGET.
RIGHT? SO THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS I'M TALKING ABOUT AND GO IN WITH THIS.
THEY, INSTEAD OF COMING TO US SAYING, WE'VE GOT THIS, THEY WOULD BE GOING TO YOU.
AND WE'RE TOTALLY OUT OF THE LINK OF IT.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.
THEY HAVE THE MONEY IN SPECIAL PROJECTS, AND IT'S GOT YOU, THE BOARD HAVE TO APPROVE TAKING IT OUT ON SPECIAL PROJECTS AND PUTTING IT IN THEIR BUDGET TO SPEND ON, OKAY.
SO THIS DOES NOT CIRCUMVENT THAT POLICY.
THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT.
IT'S GOTTA BE IN THE BUDGET, IN THE OPERATING BUDGET THAT YOU APPROVED, FOR INSTANCE.
AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THEN I'M, I'M GOOD WITH THAT BECAUSE THEN WE ARE AWARE OF IT.
IT'S BUT THESE THINGS HAVE, THEY'VE CROPPED UP THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, AND I'M JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IF YOU WANT TO WORK THE SYSTEM, THEN I'M JUST GONNA THROW IT OUT THERE.
OR I WOULDN'T BE DOING MY JOB AS MOTHER HAND HERE.
SO THAT'S GOING TO BASICALLY WORK IS THAT IF IT IS A $50,000 PURCHASE, BECAUSE ED WOULD HAVE TO SIGN IT BEFORE HE SIGNS IT, IT WOULD COME TO MY DEPARTMENT.
I WOULD LOOK AT THE BUDGET AND I SAY, YOU DON'T HAVE $50,000 BEFORE WE EVEN THINK ABOUT BUYING THIS.
YOU HAVE TO TELL ME WHERE YOU'RE GETTING YOUR 50,000.
WE'LL DO A BUDGET ACTION FORM.
THE BOARD WILL APPROVE IT, AND THEN WE CAN PROCEED WITH THE PROCESS.
SO THAT'S, IF IT'S IN SPECIAL PROJECTS, BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT IN THE FRONT END, THEY'RE GOING TO BUDGET IT IN ADVANCE OF KNOWING THEY NEED IT.
SO GENERALLY THEY SHOULD KNOW WITH THE BUDGET THAT YOU WILL ADOPT, HOPEFULLY THIS MONTH, MAYBE NEXT MONTH, UM, YOU'LL KNOW WHAT THEIR MAJOR EXPENDITURES ARE.
SO ANYTHING THAT WE'VE ALREADY AGREED TO PURCHASE UNDER THE 200,000 WOULD JUST BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR FOR APPROVAL AND OUR INTERNAL APPROVAL AUTHORITY, BECAUSE YOU'RE ALREADY SAYING ON THE FRONT END, WE BUDGETED YOU TO BUY THIS THING BECAUSE WE THINK YOU SHOULD BUY THIS THING.
SO ANYTHING THAT'S NOT IN THE BUDGET, THEY WILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO ASK FOR IT WOULD REQUIRE A TRANSFER FROM FUNDS THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE, WHICH AGAIN WOULD BE APPROVED BY THE BOARD, OR THEY WOULD HAVE TO APPROPRIATE ADDITIONAL FUNDS.
SO IF THEY GOT A GRANT TO BUY SOMETHING AND THEY GET 50,000 EXTRA DOLLARS, IT WOULD BE A BUDGET ACTION TO MOVE THE $50,000 INTO THEIR BUDGET THAT THEY'VE RECEIVED, WHICH ALSO COMES BEFORE THE, NOW WHEN WE GET THIS BUDGET WITHIN WHATEVER TIME.
AND I KNOW, UM, WE CAN'T TOTALLY APPROVE IT UNTIL THE STATE DOES ALL THEIR STUFF.
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WE KNOW ARE THOSE LINE ITEMS GOING TO BE VISIBLE THAT WELL, I'M GOING TO THROW PUBLIC WORKS UNDER THE BUS BACK HERE, SINCE YOU GUYS ARE SITTING THERE, SORRY.AND THEY PUT IN THERE, THEY WANT A NEW TRACTOR AND THIS THAT IT'S GOING TO BE LINED ITEM SO WE CAN SEE THAT.
BUT YOU'RE SITTING THERE IN MY VIEW SHOT SO WELL, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW.
I KNOW WE'VE BEEN TWEAKING TO MAKE NUMBERS COME OUT, SO DIDN'T KNOW WHAT HAD BEEN REQUESTED AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WELL THAT GOT SCRATCHED SO WELL, THAT'S WHAT I MEANT.
SO IF THEY PUT IN FOR TWO TRACTORS, THEY MIGHT'VE ENDED UP WITH ONE.
THAT'S WHAT MY, UM, CAUSE ONCE WE'VE APPROVED IT, THEN THEY'RE GOING TO SAY I HAD TWO THERE.
AND IF I DIDN'T LOOK AT IT GOOD, IT'S MY BAG BECAUSE THEY WON'T HAVE THE MONEY WHEN THEY WOULD COME BACK TO MATT AND SAY, WE'RE GOING TO BUY TWO TRACTORS.
AND HE'S GOING TO SAY, WHEN YOU HEIGHTENED IN THE PAPER THE SECOND, OKAY.
WELL, I, AND I, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY DOES IT MAKE ME FEEL BETTER, BUT HOPEFULLY WHOEVER'S WATCHING THIS, IT'LL MAKE, SEE THE CHECKS AND BALANCES THAT WE DO HAVE.
AND THAT'S GOOD BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE HAD SO MANY CHECKS AND BALANCES BEFORE.
SO I WANT PEOPLE TO FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING.
WE DIDN'T HAVE PROCUREMENT DEPARTMENT BEFORE.
SO, UM, SO I'M GRATEFUL FOR THAT.
AND I CERTAINLY, PLEASE DON'T EVER THINK THAT I'M THINKING THAT YOU'RE NOT DOING YOUR JOB AND DOING IT HONESTLY, BUT I HAVE TO, I HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTIONS THAT SOMEBODY SITTING AT HOME, MAYBE THINKING ABOUT TO MAKE THEM HAVE A COMFORT LEVEL WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING.
BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, THERE HAVE BEEN PEOPLE COME IN HERE AND QUESTION MY, UM, ACCOUNTABILITY.
SO GOD GOT TO MAINTAIN THAT FOR EVERYBODY.
AND IT'S, LIKE I SAID, IT'S A LOT TO READ.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP THERE, THAT NUMBER OF THE ITEMS IN THE SPECIAL PROJECT FUND IS BEING TRANSFERRED OUT INTO THIS NEW OPERATING BUDGET AND EFFORT TO REDUCE THAT SPECIAL PROJECTS MORE CLEARLY DEFINE IT.
IS THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR MS. SCOTT? I JUST ONE LAST QUESTION.
UM, I, IF WE APPROVE THIS NEW POLICY, WILL THIS BE EVENTUALLY INTEGRATED WITH THIS, THE PPA POLICY THAT HAS ELEMENTS OF IT THAT ARE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROCUREMENT ACT, BUT NOTHING IN OUR POLICY CAN FLEX WITH THE PPA POLICY.
OH, SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE TWO SEPARATE POLICIES BECAUSE THEY NEED TO BE, UM, SIMPLY BASED OFF OF THE PROCESS AND THE PROCEDURES THAT ARE, THAT WE GO THROUGH FOR PROCURING EACH OF THOSE TYPES OF SERVICES.
IS THERE GOING TO BE ANY REFERENCE TO ANOTHER TYPE OF PROCUREMENT POLICY? YES, IT WAS A REFERENCE.
AND JASON BENTLEY, I LIKE TO SEE THE PURCHASING POLICY AND THE PPA AND THE CODE JASON HAS SUGGESTED THAT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE IN THAT.
IT'S EASIER TO AMEND IT, LEAVING IT OUT OF THE CODE.
SO YOU CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WHEN YOU GET FURTHER ALONG AND ARE READY TO ADOPT THIS, WHETHER WE'VE GOT PROPOSED HERE TO BE IN THE CODE.
ALRIGHTY, WARREN COUNTY SANITARY DISTRICTS, MR. BARRY AND MRS. LOGAN AND THANK YOU, MS. SCOTT FOR YOU AND MR. ROBINSON, BOTH FOR ALL THE WORK ON THIS OKAY.
[C. Presentation – Warren County Sanitary Districts – Mike Berry/Taryn Logan]
WARREN COUNTY SANITARY DISTRICT.SO I'VE GOT BOTH MIKES HERE WHO ARE THE EXPERTS AT AND CAITLIN.
AND I REALIZED I HADN'T DONE A PRESENTATION ON THIS SINCE 2011 TIME FLIES.
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BACK WHEN, UH, MOST OF THE REQUESTS KIND OF CAME THROUGH PLANNING BECAUSE WE HAVE PROPERTY OWNERS WHO, UM, WERE, YOU KNOW, HAVING TROUBLE, KEEPING UP, MAINTAINING THEIR ROADS.AND, UM, AND SO WE WOULD GET THE REQUESTS BACK THERE, YOU KNOW, WHAT SHOULD WE DO? AND THEN THAT KIND OF MORPHED INTO THE, UM, SANITARY DISTRICT DISCUSSION.
SO, SO A SANITARY DISCHARGE, AND THIS MIGHT BE REPEATING A LOT OF WHAT YOU ALREADY KNOW, BUT, UM, JUST QUICK SANITARY DISTRICT ONE-ON-ONE, UM, SANITARY DISTRICT IS A SPECIAL TAXING DISTRICT THAT IS ALLOWED BY THE CODE OF VIRGINIA TO CREATE A SANITARY DISTRICT.
UM, YOU'LL NEED A PETITION OF 50 QUALIFIED VOTERS.
AND IF THAT PROPOSED DISTRICT DOES CONTAIN LESS THAN A HUNDRED QUALIFIED VOTERS, A PETITION OF 50% OF THE QUALIFIED VENDORS IS REQUIRED.
AND THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IS TYPICALLY DONE BY THE PROPERTY OWNERS.
THEY GO AROUND AND GET THOSE SIGNATURES, AND THEN THEY SUBMIT THAT PETITION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND AFTER ADVERTISEMENT FOR THREE CONSECUTIVE WEEKS, THEN THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WILL HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE REQUEST.
THE, UM, IF APPROVED THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, UM, APPROVES AN ORDINANCE, CREATING THE BOUNDARIES AND POWERS FOR SUCH DISTRICT.
SO TO APPROVE THE DISTRICT, THE BOARD MUST FIND THAT CREATION OF THE PROPOSED DISTRICT OR ENLARGEMENT OF ANY EXISTING DISTRICT IS NECESSARY PRACTICAL AND FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE AND IS SUPPORTIVE AT LEAST 50% OF THE PEOPLE WHO OWN REAL PROPERTY IN THE DISTRICT OR IN CASE OF THE ENLARGEMENT, THE AREA THAT'S PROPOSED TO BE INCLUDED.
SO THE BOARD DOES HAVE TO SURVEY THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS, SO POWERS AND DUTY OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF POWERS AND DUTIES AND THEY RANGE FROM SUPER SIMPLE TO VERY COMPLEX.
SO A LOT OF THE, UM, OUR SANITARY DISTRICT, A LOT OF THEM ARE SMALLER.
SO WE DON'T HAVE ALL OF THESE PAIRS AND DUTIES IN THEM, BUT, UM, WE LIST ALL THE POWERS AND DUTIES AND THEY'RE IN THE CODE OF VIRGINIA.
SO, UM, TO CONSTRUCT, MAINTAIN, AND OPERATE, UM, WATER AND SEWER, IF THAT'S THERE.
AND, UM, IF IT'S AGREED UPON, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE SANITARY DISTRICT AGREEMENT, GARBAGE REMOVAL AND DISPOSAL, HEAT, LIGHT, POWER, GAS, DAMS, DRAINAGE ON THE STREETS AND STREET NAME SIGNS, THAT'S PROBABLY THE MAIN ONE, UM, THAT WE DO PARKING LOTS, CURB GUTTERS AND SIDEWALKS, COMMUNITY BUILDINGS, CENTERS, AND OTHER RECREATIONAL FACILITIES FOR YOU.
SO THE PUBLIC, UM, I WON'T GO DOWN THROUGH ALL THESE OTHER DUTIES, BUT THEY'RE IN YOUR, YOUR, UM, PRESENTATION.
AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
LET'S SEE IF ANY OF THESE, UM, WHAT'S A LEVY AND COLLECT AN ANNUAL TAX UPON THE PROPERTY AND THE DISTRICT.
HE GOES TO WORK CONSTRUCTION, MAINTAINING, OPERATING SYSTEMS AND THE RIGHT YES.
TO FIX THEM, PRESCRIBE AND CHANGE THE RATES TO CHARGE FOR THE USE OF SUCH SYSTEMS. THAT'S A BIG ONE TOO.
THE BOARD MAY APPOINT AN ADVISORY BOARD OR, UM, REGARDING THE SANITARY DISTRICT MEMBERS OF THE ADVISORY BOARD WILL SERVE AT THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
SOME OF YOU MAY REMEMBER THE LAKEFRONT ROYAL ADVISORY BOARD.
THAT'S PROBABLY, THAT MIGHT BE THE MOST RECENT, REALLY DO ONE FOR ONE, THE SMALLER ONES, THE CHANNEL ONES RIGHT NOW, IT'S THEIR PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION.
SO THE DISTRICT, UM, THE BENEFITS OF A SANITARY DISTRICT.
SO THE DISTRICT DOES NOT AFFECT THE PRIVACY OF ROWS, GATES POOLS, ET CETERA.
UM, IT DOES HAVE, IT DOES ALLOW THE ABILITY TO ESTABLISH UNIFORM FEES THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE SUBDIVISION.
ALL LOTS ARE SUBJECT TO SANITARY.
UM, TAXES ARE COLLECTED BY THE WARREN COUNTY TREASURER'S OFFICE, AND IT FREES THE ASSOCIATION FROM THE BURDEN OF COLLECTION.
I WOULD SAY THIS WAS ANOTHER ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS THAT, THAT AS THAT DIVISION MAY COME TO THE COUNTIES, BECAUSE THAT HELPS THEM IN, UM, IN COLLECTING THE TAXES ON THE WATTS AND SANITARY DISHER FEES, OUR CHURCH ARE TREATED AS TAXES AND THEREFORE, MAYBE DEDUCTIBLE ON THE LUNGS, FEDERAL INCOME TAX RETURN.
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SANITARY TAXES ARE COLLECTED ALONG WITH COUNTY TAXES ON ONES MORGRIDGE X S GROWTH THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.THERE, IT CAN BE A TIERED SYSTEM TO ALLOW FOR A LOWER RATE FOR UNDEVELOPED LOTS.
NEW CONSTRUCTION ROAD USE FEES ARE PAID BACK, CAN BE PAID BACK BUILDERS PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A BUILDING PERMIT, WHICH WE HAVE IN CERTAIN DISTRICTS.
UH, IT MAKES THE SUBDIVISION ELIGIBLE FOR VARIOUS STATE AND FEDERAL DISASTER RELIEF FUNDS.
AND IT ALLOWS THE ABILITY TO RAISE ADDITIONAL REVENUE, TO MAKE NECESSARY IMPROVEMENTS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.
THERE'S NO LONGER A NEED FOR A BOARD OF DIRECTORS TO PLACE LIENS ON PROPERTY BECAUSE OF UNPAID SANITARY DISTRICT FEES.
AND IT ALLOWS FOR MORE STABILITY AND IMPROVES THE CREDIT STATUS OF THE COMMUNITY, AND IT CAN INCREASE PROPERTY VALUES, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVING A BETTER MAINTAIN ROAD IN FRONT OF YOUR PROPERTY.
UM, SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE BENEFITS THAT WE'VE HEARD AND WE FEEL ARE, ARE SANITARY DISTRICTS.
SO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IS DESIGNATED TO RUN THE DISTRICT.
THE BOARD COULD CONTRACT WITH THE POA OR OWNERS GROUP TO RUN THE DISTRICT.
THE POA OR OWNER'S GROUP WAS SUBMIT THE BUDGET ANNUALLY TO THE COUNTY WITH THE PROPOSED TAX RATES.
THE COUNTY THEN COLLECTS THE SANITARY DISTRICT TAXES AND REMITS TO THE POA OR THE OWNER'S GROUP, LES THE COLLECTION FEE, WHICH IS $350 PLUS 5% OF A COLLECTION, OR IN THE CASE OF COUNTY MAINTAIN DISTRICTS MAY REMIT A CONTRACT SERVICE PAYMENT TO THE POA AND OWNERS FOR.
SO WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE, BUT, UM, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MUST APPROVE THE ANNUAL BUDGET AND TAX RATE AND ANY BILLING IMPACT FEES, IF NOT OPERATING PROPERLY, THE COUNTY HAS THE AUTHORITY TO STEP IN AND TAKE OVER THE OPERATIONS.
SANITARY DISTRICTS ARE REQUIRED TO FOLLOW COUNTY AND STATE PROCUREMENT REQUIREMENTS AND COUNTY REQUIRES ENTERS TO HAVE AN ANNUAL AUDIT PERFORMED IN ORDER TO ABOLISH THE DISTRICT.
UM, THE CODE OF VIRGINIA DOES CONTAIN THE PROVISIONS THAT AT ANYTIME ABOUT ORDINANCE OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THE DISTRICT COULD BE ABOLISHED.
AND THAT HAS CHANGED OVER THE YEARS.
IT DID USED TO BE, HAVE TO GO TO, UM, THE CIRCUIT COURT, BUT, UM, THEN IT CHANGES AND IT'S AT THE DISCRETION OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS NOW.
SO THE COUNTY HAS 14 TOTAL SANITARY DISTRICTS.
UM, BLUE MOUNTAIN WAS IN 1991, AND THAT IS 593 LOTS CEDARVILLE HEIGHTS WAS, UH, BECAME A SANITARY DISTRICT IN 19 EIGHT AND THAT'S 34 LOTS HIGH KNOBS AND 2001, 626, LOTS LIKE FRONT ROYAL WAS 2016, 349.
LOTS LINDEN HEIGHTS WAS IN 2014 94, LOTS ASPE OSPREY LANE WAS IN 2019.
RIVERSIDE WAS IN 1993, THAT'S 34 LOTS SHANGRI-LA WAS IN 2016, 27 LOTS.
SHE ENDED UP WOODS 2020 THAT'S IN 14 LOTS.
SHE ENDED UP FARMS WAS IN 1996 AND 2,788 LOTS SHANDRA ASSURES 19 71, 950 LOTS SCHOLARLY IN THE STATES WAS IN 1980 1,106 LOTS SOUTH RIVER STATES WAS IN 19 89, 38 LOTS WHILE CAT TRIAL WAS IN 2018 44 LOTS.
UM, HERE'S A MAP OF, YOU CAN SEE THAT ALL THE DIFFERENT SANITARY DISTRICTS AND WE CAN GET YOU THIS.
AND WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE DIFFERENT CONTRACTS THAT WE HAVE WITH EACH OF THE 14 DISTRICTS.
I'M GETTING YOU A COPY OF THOSE AS WELL.
AND THEN, UM, THOSE ARE THE TOTAL, THE 14 SANITARY DISTRICTS WE HAVE, AND THEN THE COUNTY ACTUALLY MAINTAINS SIX OF THOSE.
SO, UM, THE ONES THAT WE MAINTAIN OUR SHANNON, OUR FARMS LIKE FRONT ROYAL LYNDON HEIGHTS, OSPREY LANE, SHANNON WAS AND WILDCAT DRIVE.
UM, SO THE COUNTY HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, REQUESTED AT SOME POINT OVER THE YEARS TO MAINTAIN THOSE DISTRICTS.
AND, UM, THEN WE HAVE AND MAINTAINING THEM, UM, UH, MAINLY I'D SAY WE MAINTAIN THEIR ROADS, RIGHT.
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PRIMARILY ROAD MAINTENANCE, SNOW REMOVAL, GRADING, PLOWING.UM, WE DO ANNUAL OR SEMI-ANNUAL OR AS NEEDED BRUSH CUTTING.
UM, WE DO MO IN SOME OF THE DISTRICTS, BUT PRIMARILY JUST THE ROAD MAINTENANCE AND, AND FOR SOME GROUNDS MAINTENANCE.
SO SHE ENDED UP FARMS IS PROBABLY, WELL, IT IS THE BIGGEST.
AND THEN LIKE FARM OIL WOULD BE NEXT IN LINE.
YOU THE SMALLER ONES THAT WE SPEND LESS TIME THERE'S, THERE'S LESS MILES OF ROAD, BUT WE PRETTY MUCH DO THE SAME WORK IN EACH DISTRICT.
THE, THE, UM, UNDER LAKEFRONT, RURAL HAS THE DAM.
YOU, I KNOW YOU MOW IT AND CUT BACK, BUT AS FAR AS DAMN MAINTENANCE, THERE'S YOU CONTRACT THAT OUT TO A PROFESSIONAL THAT WE DO.
WE HAVE, WELL, WE'RE REQUIRED THERE NAME ACTUALLY LIKE FRONT ROLL.
THE POA IS ACTUALLY THE OWNER OF THE DAM AND THEY ARE ON THE STATE CERTIFICATION.
UM, MR. COFFIELD AND MYSELF HAVE MET WITH ENGINEERS, MICHAEL WITH, UH, TRYIN ENGINEERING LAST, UM, DURING THE REVIEW.
UM, AND, AND OUR PUBLIC WORKS STAFF HAS DONE MAINTENANCE AT THE DAM, WHICH AGAIN IS A LOT OF IT IS MOWING.
UM, IT MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, A LOW SPOT, UM, JUST MAKING SURE EVERYTHING IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH INSPECTION FOR THE QUEUE.
WE HAVE AN INSPECTOR THAT YOU TYPICALLY TRY THAT THE POA HAS BEEN USING FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
IS THAT PRETTY TYPICAL OF ALL THE DAMS IN THESE DISTRICTS AND SHANNA FARMS HAS TWO DAMS. UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE BEEN INVOLVED ON THE INSPECTION SIDE AND YOU BASICALLY CUTTING GRASS, ET CETERA, BUT A PROFESSIONAL, AS FAR AS TO SAY, IT'S, IT'S SAFE, IT'S LOOKING AT THE PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER COMES IN AND INSPECT THE DAMAGES MA'AM AND THEN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA AND THEY'RE ON DIFFERENT YEARS.
UM, DEPENDING ON THE DAM, WE EITHER LIKE IN SHANDA FARMERS, ONE IS THIS YEAR, AND THEN NEXT ONE IS THE NEXT AND IF I'M RIGHT, RIGHT.
UM, THE ONES THAT PRIVATELY OWNED LIKE SHENANDOAH, EXCUSE ME, AND BLUE MOUNTAIN, THEY'VE GOT THEIR OWN DAMN BLUE MOUNTAIN.
MICROPHONE, YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR MICROPHONE.
I MENTIONED, I MENTIONED I'M A BLUE MOUNTAIN AND THE DAM THERE, WE'RE NOT INVOLVED IN THAT AT ALL.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT EMERGENCY SERVICES PROBABLY AT SOME POINT HAS SOME INVOLVEMENT WITH, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE IMPACTS COULD BE.
UM, EVERY SO OFTEN YOU'RE REQUIRED TO DO KIND OF AN EMERGENCY PLAN AND HAVE A MEETING AND DISCUSS, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE'VE SAT DOWN BEFORE WITH LIKE THE CHIEF OR, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, RICK FERAL OR EMERGENCY SERVICES GROUP AND SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE IMPACT.
SO LET'S JUST LOOK AT WHAT THE IMPACTS ARE, IF SOMETHING WOULD HAPPEN HERE.
AND THAT'S KIND OF PART OF YOUR, YOUR TRADITIONAL, YOU KNOW, PLANNING PROCESS AND BEING EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS.
SO I WOULD ASSUME THEY PROBABLY HAVE THE SAME THING IN THOSE GROUPS THAT WE DON'T MANAGE EITHER.
I, I ACTUALLY VISIT THAT ONE TONIGHT.
PAY ATTENTION TO IT PRETTY WELL.
SO WE KIND OF JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, THE GENERAL SANITARY DISTRICT, THEN THE ONES OF THOSE THAT WE MAINTAIN.
AND THEN, UM, THE NEW CONSTRUCTION ROAD USE FEES, WHICH ARE COLLECTED, UM, WHEN A NEW HOME PERMIT IS APPLIED FOR IN THESE SUBDIVISIONS.
AND THESE ARE THE D THE FEES FOR EACH OF THE DISTRICTS.
AND SEVERAL OF THEM DO NOT HAVE ANY, BUT MOST OF THEM DO.
AND THEY'RE IN YOUR, THE POWERPOINT I GAVE YOU IN THOSE FEES, THEY SET AS WELL.
THE, WE SET THOSE FEES UNDER THEIR ADVICE, OR, OKAY, WELL, THAT'S WHAT I MEANT.
THEY, THEY COME TO US AND SAY, THESE ARE THIS FEES.
AND THEN WE, OKAY, THAT'S ONE ABOUT, YOU'VE GOT A LIST OF ALL FEES AS RECOMMENDED BY THE DISTRICT.
AND I, BUT I THOUGHT THAT WAS THEIR, THEIR NUMBER.
AND THEN WE JUST APPROVED THEIR NUMBERS.
I WANTED TO MOVE W IT'S SIMILAR TO THE BUDGET, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL SAY, HEY, THIS IS THE TAX RATE WE PROPOSED FOR THE YEAR.
AND FROM TIME TO TIME, THEY WILL COME TO YOU WITH A REQUEST FOR AN INCREASE IN THAT RATE ALSO, AND YOU CAN USE A DIFFERENT RATE.
SO THEY HAVE LIKE LOT OF MONEY YOU CAN DECIDE TO REDUCE THE RATE
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HERE.WELL, I JUST SEE THAT SOME OF THESE, AND I THOUGHT MY MEMORY WAS RIGHT, THAT THEY SET.
THESE ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE NO FEE, THAT'S THEIR CHOICE.
SO WE DON'T IMPOSE THAT ON THEM, THIS CORRECT.
WHAT DO YOU, YOU SET THE FEE THERE JUST RECOMMEND ME IS, IS THESE FEES THE 5%? NO, MA'AM, THIS IS NOT THE ADMINISTRATOR.
THIS IS A ROAD USE FEE FOR A NEW CONSTRUCTION.
SO IF A BUILDER COMES IN AND WE'LL USE THE HIGHEST WELL AND OSPREY LANE, THE OSPREY LANE ONLY HAS A COUPLE OF LOTS LEFT.
SO THEY ACTUALLY, THEIR CURRENT RATE IS A THOUSAND DOLLARS PER IMPROVED A LOT.
SO FOR, YOU KNOW, SO IT LOOKS KIND OF OUT OF BALANCE FOR A SMALL GROUP, BUT THEY ONLY HAVE A FEW LOTS LEFT.
THEY ACTUALLY PAY MORE INDEPENDENTLY PER HOME.
SO IF A, IF A CONTRACTOR COMES IN AND SAYS, I'M GOING TO BUILD ON LOT A, HE HAS TO PAY THIS IMPACT FEE TO BUILD IN THAT COMMUNITY BEFORE HE CAN GET HIS BUILDING PERMIT TO START CONSTRUCTION, THAT GOES TO HELP MAINTAIN THE ROADS.
SO YOU GET HEAVY EQUIPMENT COMING IN THERE AND THEY'RE TEARING UP THE PLACE AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, SO THERE'S AN IMPACT FEE FOR ANY IMPACT OF NEW CONSTRUCTION.
AND THEN JUST, UM, THESE ARE THE CURRENT SANITARY DISTRICT TAX RATES, AND THEN THE PROPOSED, UM, WHICH WE GET, YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDED FROM THE DISTRICT AS WELL.
AND HERE'S OUR COUNTY STAFF MAINTAINING THE ROADS, UM, AND THE DISTRICTS THAT WE ARE IN CHARGE OF MAINTAINING.
UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US? AND WE JUST WANTED TO GIVE A GENERAL OVERVIEW OF SANITARY DISTRICT SOUND.
WHAT WE'VE, WHAT WE HAVE GOING ON IN THE COUNTY.
ANY QUESTIONS? I LIKE HAVING THIS, THIS IS A GOOD REFRESHER.
THAT'S THE GOAL IS TO, UM, AND YOU KNOW, IS TO JUST GET A REFRESHER ON IT WHEN YOU DON'T DEAL WITH THEM EVERY DAY.
UM, NO HEARING, NO OTHER QUESTIONS.
THAT'S THE LAST OF THE PRESENTATIONS ON THE LIST.
IS THERE A MOTION? SECOND, SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.