May 10, 2022 Board of Supervisors Work Session

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SO OVERALL,

[A. Adoption of Certain Tax Rates for Calendar Year 2022 – Matt Robertson]

UH, SO 20% DOES SOUND GOOD, BUT I DID WANT TO KIND OF COMPARE IT TO OUR COMPETITORS IN THE REGION, UH, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE MOST IMPORTANT PART IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE IN THE REGION, WE'RE ACTUALLY OFFERING WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS OFFERING.

AND I THINK WE CAME OUT PRETTY GOOD.

SO LOOKING AT JUST THE TAX RATES FOR EVERYBODY'S PROPOSING WITH THEIR BUDGETS, KEEP IN MIND, NOT ALL BUDGETS ARE ADOPTED YET BECAUSE OF SO MUCH GOING ON, BUT THESE ARE WHAT EVERYBODY IS PROPOSING AT THE TIME.

AND I WOULDN'T EXPECT THEM TO CHANGE VERY GREATLY.

WE HAVE A LOWER RATE AT THREE 80, WE WOULD HAVE A LOWER RATE THAN CLARK COUNTY, FREDERICK COUNTY LOUDON COUNTY, PAIGE COUNTY SHENANDOAH COUNTY WOULD BE AT THREE 80.

SO IT'D BE STRAIGHT WITH SHANANDOAH AND WE WOULD HAVE A LOWER THAN WINCHESTER.

SO THE ONLY COUNTIES THAT WOULD HAVE A LOWER TAX RATE THAN US WOULD BE FAULK HERE AND RAPPAHANNOCK.

ANOTHER THING TO KEEP IN MIND THOUGH, IS FAUQUIER IS STILL KEEPING IT CLEAN VALUE.

THEY'RE NOT CHANGING THE VALUATION FROM CLEAN TO AVERAGE, AND THAT ACTUALLY HAS MORE OF AN EFFECT THAN THE TAX RATE DOES.

SO ULTIMATELY, WHENEVER YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE VALUATION CHANGE AND THE TAX RATE CHANGE, WE HAVE THE SECOND LOWEST PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RATE IN THE REGION.

THE ONLY ONE THAT'S A LITTLE BIT LOWER THAN US AS RAPPAHANNOCK, THEY'RE DROPPING THEIR SIGNIFICANTLY THIS YEAR.

UH, THAT'S MOSTLY DUE TO THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE A LOT OF GROWTH IN THE COUNTY RIGHT NOW, AND THEIR IS ALSO A THIRD, THE SIZE OF OURS.

SO THEY DON'T NEED AS MUCH FROM THE TAX BASE TO KEEP IT GOING, BUT THEY HAVE ALL OF THE NEW HOUSING STARTS.

SO THEY'RE BASICALLY MAKING UP FOR THEIR FUNDS THERE.

AND THEY ALSO WENT THROUGH REASSESSMENT.

SO THEY HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENCES GOING ON THERE, BUT WE DO HAVE THE SECOND LOWEST BESIDES THAT REALLY THE CLOSEST COMPETITOR THAT WE HAVE IS SHENANDOAH COUNTY.

THEY'RE RIGHT BESIDE US IN A SIMILAR SIZE, THEY HAVE THREE 80, BUT THEY'RE KEEPING THEIR VALUATION AT CLEAN.

WHEREAS OURS IS GOING TO BE AN AVERAGE.

SO WE'RE EFFECTIVELY TAXING LESS THAN EVEN SHENANDOAH COUNTY WOULD BE.

SO WHENEVER WE REALLY LOOKED AT THE, UM, THE LOCALITIES AROUND US, WHAT WE WERE PROVIDING TO TAXPAYERS AND STILL KEEPING IN MIND THAT WE DO HAVE TO KEEP OUR COUNTY RUNNING AT AN OPTIMAL LEVEL, WE THOUGHT THREE 80 WAS A REALLY GOOD BALANCE BETWEEN GIVING THE TAXPAYERS SOME RELIEF AND STILL KEEPING WHAT WE NEED TO OPERATE.

ANY QUESTIONS, HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.

I HAVE A COUPLE MATT.

AND SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD.

YOU SAID THAT WE WERE AT A 20% REDUCTION OVERALL.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE ALREADY REDUCING BY GOING FROM CLEAN TO AN AVERAGE VALUATION, THEN DROPPING THE TAX RATE AND ALSO PROVIDING MORE RELIEF THROUGH THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RELIEF OF FUNCTION.

IT'S ABOUT AN OVERALL 20% DECREASE.

IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE THERE'S SOME PROPERTY TAX BILLS THAT WOULDN'T DECREASE.

THERE'S SOME THAT WOULD DECREASE MORE BUT AVERAGE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT A 20% THAT WE'RE PUTTING ON.

IS THERE A, A SECTOR OF THE, UM, PR PERSONAL PROPERTY OWNERS WHO WILL SEE AN INCREASE REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE DO? YES.

OKAY.

AND DO WE HAVE THAT, UH, DO WE, HAVE WE DEFINED WHO THEY ARE? YES.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, THE SHOWERS HAD PROVIDED AND I DON'T HAVE IT.

UM, BUT THERE WERE CERTAIN VEHICLES THAT WE BASICALLY LOOKED.

IF WE DROPPED IT TO $3, THEY'D STILL BE PAYING MORE TAXES.

I MEAN, WE COULD DROP IT THROUGH THE FLOOR.

SOME OF THESE VEHICLES HAVE JUST RISEN IN VALUE SO MUCH.

THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE COULD DO.

AND BY THE POINT THAT WE WOULD LIKE GET THEM BACK TO EVEN, YOU WOULD HAVE SOMEBODY THAT NORMALLY PAYS A $200 TAX BILL PAYING 50 BUCKS BECAUSE WE HAD TO JUST DROP IT SO SIGNIFICANTLY TO MAKE UP FOR THOSE.

SEE IF THERE'S SOME VEHICLES, NOTABLY NEW TRUCKS, NEW SUV'S CROSSOVERS, THOSE TYPES OF CARS, BUT EVEN SOME COMMUTER CARS, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE NEWER VALUATIONS JUST REALLY HIGH RIGHT NOW ON THOSE CARS.

AND WE WOULD HAVE HAD TO DROP IT TOO SIGNIFICANTLY TO ACTUALLY LEVEL THOSE TAX BILLS OUT.

I MIGHT ADD TO THAT, IF YOU REMEMBER, WHEN WE STARTED THIS, WE HAD THIS CHART AND THERE WERE 254 VEHICLES IN WHAT MRS. SAUERS HAD AT THE VERY TOP THAT HAD THE VERY LARGE INCREASES.

AND THIS TAKES 22% OFF OF THEM.

BUT THOSE, THOSE 250 VEHICLES ARE STILL GOING TO SEE AN INCREASE.

NOW THE 14,000 THAT ARE LOWER, THEY'RE GOING TO GO DOWN AN ADDITIONAL 22%.

BUT SO THE AVERAGE, AND I MIGHT MENTION THAT THE 5% DECREASE TAKES A MILLION, THE GOING TO THREE 80 TAKES A MILLION OFF THE RECEIPTS, BUT BY GOING FROM CLEAN TO AVERAGE, WE ALSO TAKE 2 MILLION OFF.

SO WE'RE REALLY TAKING OFF A TOTAL

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WELL, I GET IT BECAUSE I BOUGHT A NEW CAR AND I, I SOLD MY 2018 SUBARU THAT I PAID 30 2004 AND I GOT $27,500 FOR IT.

THAT'S UNHEARD OF.

AND IT WAS REALLY GOOD WHEN I SOLD IT TO GET THE NEW ONE, BUT I KNOW I'M GOING TO GET HIT WITH THE TAXES ON THE NEW WAY.

IT WAS MY CHOICE.

UM, YOU KNOW, SO I, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT ON ONE END THE APPRECIATION, IF YOU'RE GOING TO SELL IT, NOT BUYING ANYTHING, KEEP YOUR OLD CLUNKER THAT'S ON THE LOWER END.

UM, BUT WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU DO HAVE THE MORE EXPENSIVE BRAND ONES, IT'S IT, IT JUST IS WHAT IT IS WITH THESE APPRECIATIONS UNTIL YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE WORLD, CHANGES THAT.

BUT I THINK FROM THE SOUNDS OF IT, YOU'VE, YOU'VE SEARCHED EVERY AVENUE TO MAKE THIS AS FAIR AND MOVING DOWN, UM, CLEAN EVALUATION.

I MEAN, IT'S STILL, IF SOMEONE DECIDES TO SELL IT, THEY CAN STILL GET CLEAN EVALUATION RATES WHEN THEY SELL IT, BUT HAVING IT DROPPED BOTH DOWN AND GREAT.

I KNOW WHEN MOST PEOPLE LOOK AT IT, THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, WELL, 20 CENTS IS NOT VERY MUCH.

SO IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN SHOW WHAT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CLEAN EVALUATION RATES? IS THERE A PURSE? I MEAN, I KNOW YOU'VE GOT OVERALL 20, BUT IF IN THE REAL WORLD OF NOT HAVING ALL THIS APPRECIATION, DO WE KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS BETWEEN THE AVERAGE OF CLEAN VERSUS AVERAGE VALUE? UM, WE DON'T HAVE EVERY INDIVIDUAL VIETNAM.

NOW WE KNOW THAT THE TOTAL DIFFERENCE IS 4,000, 480 MILLION VERSUS 425 MILLION.

SO INSTEAD OF TAKING THE 480 MILLION OF ALL THE VEHICLES ADDED UP TIMES THREE 80 OR TAKING IT DOWN TO 4 25 TIMES THREE 80.

YEAH.

SO THAT TAKES, AS I SAY, THAT TAKES 2 MILLION, 200,000 OFF.

IT'S A HARD PILL TO SWALLOW 52% OF OUR COMMUNITY COMMUTE.

AND SO THEY'RE ALREADY PAYING HIGH GAS PRICES.

AND SO IT'S JUST REALLY DIFFICULT FOR ME TO EVEN RECONCILE HOW INCREASE ANYTHING COULD INCREASE TEXT-WISE RIGHT NOW.

UM, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT SO MUCH OF THIS IS OUT OF OUR CONTROL, BUT IT'S STILL A HARD PILL TO SWALLOW IT IS.

AND I THINK WE'VE DONE A GOOD APPROACH IN THAT.

WE'RE ONE OF ONLY THREE COUNTIES THAT ACTUALLY CHANGED EVALUATION AND OF THOSE ONES, THEY DIDN'T CHANGE THE TAX RATE.

SO WE'RE CHANGING THE VALUATION, WE'RE CHANGING THE TAX RATE.

WE'RE KIND OF COMING AT IT FROM A LOT OF DIFFERENT ANGLES TO TRY AND PROVIDE RELIEF WHERE WE CAN.

YEAH, I SEE THAT WINCHESTER WENT AT IT FROM THE VALUATION.

THEY WENT TO AVERAGE AND RAPPAHANNOCK WENT AVERAGE.

EVERYBODY ELSE IS USING THE CLEAN VALUATION NUMBERS AND CLARK STILL USES AVERAGE, BUT THEY'VE ALWAYS USED IT AND THEY HAVE A FOUR 50 TAX RATES.

SO THEY ALSO HAVE A HIGHER 70 CENTS MORE THAN WE DO OUR REVENUE FOR PERSONAL PROPERTY.

IT'S HARD TO COMPARE SINCE THEY'RE ON A CALENDAR YEAR AND THE BUDGETS ON A FISCAL YEAR, BUT THOSE ARE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO BE VERY COMPARABLE NEXT YEAR IN THIS NEW BUDGET TO WHERE WE ARE IN THIS YEAR.

THERE'S GOING TO BE VERY LITTLE INCREASE AT ALL IN THERE BARELY TO ACCOUNT FOR NEW VEHICLES.

THANK YOU FOR TRYING TO DO THAT.

I APPRECIATE IT.

I KNOW IT'S, IT'S BEEN DIFFICULT BECAUSE YOU'RE TRYING TO BALANCE AND BE EQUITABLE AT THE SAME TIME TO ALL TAXPAYERS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. ROBERTSON OR DR.

DALEY? YES.

MADAM CHAIR, JUST WANTING TO FIND OUT, DO WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE REPRESENTATIVE, UM, SAY LIKE A, MAYBE A, A 2012 OR 2015 MODEL OF, UH, OF A SEDAN, SOMETHING THAT, UH, THAT YOU COULD SAY WOULD BE REPRESENTATIVE OF SOMETHING IN THE COUNTY AND YOU SHOW WHAT IT, UH, WHAT THE TAX TAX WOULD HAVE BEEN VERSUS CHANGING THIS AND WHAT IT WOULD BE.

BECAUSE I THINK THAT, UH, BEING ABLE TO SHOW THAT THE TAXPAYERS SOMETHING REPRESENTATIVE LIKE THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL POST SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

YES.

YEAH.

I THINK THAT'S GOING TO MAKE IT A LOT CLEARER.

I'M A VISUAL LEARNER.

SO TELLING ME NUMBERS IS ONE THING.

SEEING, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT THIS CAR WOULD HAVE BEEN IN.

THIS IS WHAT WE'VE GOT IT DOWN

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AND SO THAT PEOPLE THAT HAVE SOMETHING COMPARABLE, CAUSE CAUSE LIKE I SAID, THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT $4 VERSUS $3 IN EIGHTIES, RENT SENSE AND GO, BOY, YOU DID US A GREAT FAVOR.

YOU KNOCKED AT 20 CENTS.

NOT KNOWING AND UNDERSTANDING THAT OVERALL, HOW YOU, HOW YOU GET DOWN TO IT'S MORE THAN THAT.

WHEN YOU GO WITH THE VALUE.

IF, UH, IF I PAID A HUNDRED DOLLARS LAST YEAR AND THIS YEAR I'M PAYING 75, IT'S A GOOD DEAL.

I, IF THIS YEAR I'M PAYING 110, IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT MY BILL WOULD HAVE BEEN 135.

IT'S STILL A BAD DEAL.

NOT IN LIFE.

THAT'S THE WAY.

AND I, I GET THAT, BUT I'M ALSO HEARING THAT WE WENT THROUGH THIS IN GREAT DETAIL LAST YEAR.

AND THEN THIS YEAR WE WERE TOLD WE SLID IT UNDER THE DOOR AND HID THIS FROM PEOPLE.

AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, I KNOW WE DID NOT.

I'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS SEVERAL TIMES.

WE BEAT THIS THING TO DEATH LAST YEAR.

I KNOW WE DID.

UM, BUT THERE ARE STILL THOSE THAT THINK WE DIDN'T.

SO I JUST, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD SOMETHING MAYBE UP ON THE WINDOW OR SOMETHING THAT THEY, THAT THEY CAN SAY, SEE, HERE'S WHAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN.

YEAH.

WE CAN DO SOME, WE CAN MAKE UP SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND I BELIEVE MS. SOURS AND MS. SPIKER ALSO PLANNING ON PUTTING AN INSERT IN THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX BILLS THAT BASICALLY SAYS, YES, WE KNOW THAT THESE GREEN CREASE, THIS IS WHAT WE DID TO TRY AND OFFSET IT.

PLEASE CALL US WITH ANY QUESTIONS.

GREAT.

I THINK THIS HIGHLIGHTS THE FACT THAT WE NEED TO EMPHASIZE ECONOMICS IN SCHOOL SUPPLY AND DEMAND.

I MEAN, IT IS, THIS IS REALLY REPRESENTATIVE OF THE FACT THAT NEW CARS WEREN'T BEING PRODUCED BECAUSE OF COVID MANUFACTURING, PLANTS BEING SHUT DOWN.

AND THAT CREATED MORE, UM, DESIRE FOR USED CARS.

AND SO, AND YOU THROW OUT ALL THIS EXTRA MONEY TO CREATE THE DEMAND AND THEN YOU DON'T PRODUCE THE PRODUCT.

THE PRICE HAS TO GO UP.

AND THEN MEANWHILE, IF THE COMMONWEALTH JUST PAID, WHAT THEY PROMISED US 20 YEARS AGO, THIS WOULD NOT BE PLACE.

THEY PROMISED EVERY CITIZEN, THEY WERE GOING TO PAY THIS CAR TAX AND THEY DIDN'T DO IT.

ALRIGHTY, THANK YOU, SIR.

UNLESS SOMEONE ELSE HAS MORE QUESTIONS.

OKAY.

ALRIGHTY.

SO IS THERE EMOTION ON THIS ITEM, ADAM CHAIR, I MOVED AT THE WARREN COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ADOPT THE PROPOSED CALENDAR YEAR 2022 PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RATES.

IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND ROLL CALL, MRS. SHIRAKI MR. MABE.

HI MRS. COOK.

I MADAM CHAIR, I MRS. OATES, MR. BUTLER REQUESTS FOR

[B. Request – Adoption of Resolution to Set Percentage of Tax Relief for Personal Property (Motor Vehicles) for 2022 Tax Year – Sherry Sours ]

WE JUST DID THAT THOUGH.

DIDN'T WE? AND NOW THIS IS A DIFFERENT ONE.

THIS IS A YES OF THE STATE.

WHAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE 70% AND STILL, UH, THIS RATE THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE 70 CENTS.

ACCORDING TO 70%, ACCORDING TO STATE LAW IS DOWN HERE AT 34 35 AND WE ARE PROPOSING.

IT COULD BE BASED ON THE REVENUE THAT WE RECEIVE FROM THE STATE.

IT WOULD BE 35%.

WE'RE PROPOSING TO SET IT AT 34, WHICH GIVES ANOTHER THREE, THREE AND A HALF, ALMOST 4%, UH, BENEFIT TO THE VIA TAX PAYER BY TAKING THIS 250,000, $70,000 THAT WE WILL JUST ABSORB OURSELVES IN THE COUNTY BUDGET.

GOTCHA.

WE, WE HAVE TO TELL THE COUNTY, THE STATE THIS CORRECT.

YEAH.

WELL, WE HAVE TO TELL SHE HAS, WE HAVE TO SET THE RATE ON THE 35 OR THE 34.

SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO SET IT AT 34.

WHEN THE ACTUAL DOLLAR AMOUNT WE WILL RECEIVE IS 35 AND THAT'S REVERSE 35 WOULD MEAN THE STATE WOULD PAY 4 MILLION, 500,034 IS 4 MILLION, 700,000.

THEY'RE ONLY GOING TO GIVE US 4.5.

SO THE OTHER 200,000 WILL ABSORB IN THE BUDGET.

SO WE'RE EFFECTIVELY GIVEN THE STATE OF BREAK TO YES MA'AM SINCE THEY DON'T SEEM TO BE ABLE TO FIGURE THEIR OWN OUT.

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DAILY ON THIS ONE? IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION? MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ARE PROVEN ADOPT THE ATTEMPT TO THE RESOLUTION TO SET A PERCENTAGE TAX RELIEF FOR THE 2022 TAX YEAR AT A LEVEL OF 34%.

THAT IS ANTICIPATED TO EXHAUST PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RELIEF FUNDS PROVIDED TO WARREN COUNTY BY THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA AS AUTHORIZED BY WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION 1, 1 6 0 DASH 1 0 9.

IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND ROLL CALL, MRS. SHIRAKI MR. BUTLER, MRS. OATES.

HI, MADAM CHAIR.

I MRS. COOK.

HI, MR. MABE.

I AM

[C. Authorization to Advertise for Public Hearing – Ordinance to Delay Penalties and Interest Upon Certain Local Taxes – Jamie Spiker ]

AND THIS ONE'S YOURS TOO, I GUESS.

YES, MA'AM UH, THE, MY CODE, THE TAXES ARE DUE JUNE 5TH, UNLESS THE BOARD SETS A LATER DATE AND WE ARE REQUESTING THIS SO THAT THE BOARD CAN HOLD A HEARING AND THEN EXTEND THE DEADLINE WITHOUT ANY PENALTY SO THAT THE PENALTY WILL, THE DATE WILL BE THE END OF JUNE RATHER THAN JUNE 5TH.

AND JUST SO THE GENERAL PUBLIC WATCHING THIS, THIS IS BECAUSE THE STATE HASN'T DONE THEIR BUDGET, SO WE CAN'T DO OUR BUDGET, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

MA'AM WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR THAT STATE BUDGET.

UH, HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE IT BEFORE JUNE 30TH.

AND IF IT'S PAST THAT, THEN WE WILL READDRESS THIS DATE AS WELL.

WELL, WE ARE SENDING OUT THE TAX, WE'RE SENDING OUT THE TAX BILL, MR. ROBERTSON'S GOING TO TALK FOR A MINUTE ABOUT THE, UH, REVENUE SHORTAGE THAT MRS. COOK WAS MENTIONING LAST MONTH, WHY IT LOOKS LIKE THE REVENUE'S BEHIND AND HE'S GOING TO ADDRESS THAT IN A MINUTE, BUT, UH, BY SENDING OUT THE TAX BILLS LATER AND REAL ESTATE WILL GO OUT VERY SHORTLY.

I THINK THEY'RE BEING FINISHED UP THIS WEEK AND THEN PERSONAL PROPERTY WILL PROBABLY GO OUT NEXT WEEK OR THE WEEK AFTER.

SO THERE'LL BE DUE LATER IN JUNE RATHER THAN JUNE 5TH.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR DR.

DAILY ON THIS? IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION ON THIS ONE? I MOVED THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AUTHORIZED THE ADVERTISEMENT OF THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE TO DELAY PENALTIES AND INTEREST UPON CERTAIN LOCAL TAXES UNTIL JUNE 25TH, 2022 FOR A PUBLIC HEARING TO BE HELD ON MAY 24TH, 2020 TO START.

GOOD ROLL CALL MRS. SHIRAKI MR. MABE, MRS. COOK.

HI, MADAM CHAIR, MRS. OATES.

HI, MR. BUTLER.

OKAY.

THAT COMPLETES THE SPECIAL MEETING PART OF THIS MEETING, AND WE WILL GO INTO OUR WORK SESSION.

AND FIRST, DO WE NEED TO ADJOURN MADAM CHAIR BEFORE YOU ADJOURN? UM, MRS. JORDAN POINTED OUT THAT THE WAY IT IS WRITTEN PERSONAL PROPERTY WILL BE EXTENDED, BUT REAL ESTATE IS NOT.

WE WILL GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT TO SEE IF WE CAN EXTEND REAL ESTATE AT THE SAME TIME.

SO WHEN YOU HEAR TOMORROW THAT THE BILLS HAVE GONE OUT AND THEY'RE DUE JUNE 5TH, WE'RE GOING TO ASK TO HAVE THAT EXTENDED.

DO WE NEED TO ADJUST THIS MOTION ANY FOR THAT? WELL, THE MOTION SHOULD BE FINE.

I JUST WANT YOU TO BE AWARE OF IT.

OKAY.

HE DID THIS, UM, DURING COVID WHERE WE EXTENDED, WHAT WE DID IS WE LEFT IT AT JUNE 5TH AND IF PEOPLE PAID IT LATE, THEN THEY WEREN'T PENALIZED FOR THAT LATE PAYMENT.

CORRECT.

THE DUE DATE IS STILL JEAN FIFTH, BECAUSE THAT IS OUR, WHAT OUR COUNTY ORDINANCE SAYS, BUT THERE'S NO PENALTY UNTIL JUNE 25TH, ONCE THIS HAS PASSED, BUT THIS WAS LIMITED TO JUST PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX MACHINE AND EQUIPMENT TAX AND TOOLS BECAUSE THE BOARD HAD ALREADY APPROVED REAL ESTATE TAX.

BUT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AND BRING THAT BEFORE THE BOARD TO EXTEND THE REAL ESTATE TAX AS WELL, JUST BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN SUCH A DELIGHT ON DELAY ON THE STATE LEVEL.

THANK YOU.

WELL, AND I PERSONALLY, I PAY MINE ALL AT ONE TIME, SO I KNOW COMING IN AND STANDING IN LINE TWICE TO PAY ONE PORTION AND THEN PAY ANOTHER IS KIND OF A PAIN.

SO IF WE COULD DO THAT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

AND IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN, THE SPECIAL MEETING PORTION OF THIS MEETING?

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OKAY.

NOW WE WORK ON MOVE ON TO THE

[D. Front Royal Cardinals Request – Dan Lenz]

AND FIRST ON, THAT IS THE FRONT ROLE CARDINAL'S REQUEST.

MR. LENS.

GOOD EVENING.

MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, THE FRONT ROW CARDINAL REPRESENTATIVES, MS. DONNA SETTLE, PRESIDENT AND MR. ALEX BAGELS VICE-PRESIDENT, UM, ARE HERE THIS EVENING TO FARMER REQUEST, UM, THE FRONT ROW CARDINALS AND BE ALLOWED TO SELL BEER AND BING CROSBY STADIUM, UM, FOR THEIR HOME GAMES FOR THE 2022 VALLEY LEAGUE BASEBALL SEASON.

UM, PRIOR TO THE WARREN COUNTY PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING ON MARCH 14TH, I REQUESTED MS. SETTLE, UM, TO CONTACT THE VIRGINIA, UM, ABC LICENSING BOARD INQUIRE ABOUT THE PERMIT PROCESS OF SELLING BEER.

UH, HERE, HERE IN, UH, HERE AT THE STADIUM.

UM, WE ALSO, UM, ASKED HER TO CONTACT THE TWO, UH, VALLEY LEAGUE TEAMS THAT CURRENTLY SELL BEER, THE STEPS THEY'VE TAKEN TO HABIT, UM, FORMALLY ADOPTED THEIR COMMUNITIES, BUT ALSO, UM, HAVE THERE ANY BEEN ANY INCIDENTS THAT HAVE OCCURRED SINCE THE INCEPTION OF THEIR SELLING BEER? A NUMBER OF YEARS WE'RE STILL PROBABLY GET INTO AND YOU PROBABLY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, UM, DURING THE PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING ON THE 14TH, UH, MS. SETTLE AND MR. BIG, BIG GOALS.

I'M SORRY.

I'M NOT SAYING IT RIGHT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

UM, UH, VERBALLY I PRESENTED, UM, THEIR, THEIR PLAN AND ANSWERING QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION MEMBERS THAT WERE PRESENT AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE PRESENTATION, THE COMMISSION, UH, ENDORSED, UM, THEIR REQUEST BY A MAJORITY, NOT, NOT BY A MAJORITY VOTE.

UM, UH, THE VERY NEXT DAY I CONTACTED, UH, DR.

DALEY, UH, INFORMED HIM, UH, WHAT HAD TAKEN PLACE.

AND HE ADVISED ME, UM, BASICALLY TO CONTACT, UM, MISS SETTLE, ANNIE, AND THE CARDINALS ORGANIZATION, UM, TO PLACE EVERYTHING IN WRITING, UM, AND HAVE EVERYTHING BE ABLE TO BE PRESENTED THIS EVENING TO YOU.

UM, AND YOU CAN DISCUSS IT AT THIS TONIGHT'S WORK SESSION.

UM, MR. BAGELS WAS KIND ENOUGH TO GIVE COPIES TO YOU AHEAD OF TIME TO LOOK, LOOK AT THE, UH, THE POWERPOINT, BUT AT THIS TIME, UM, MS. SETTLE IN MS. BIGGLES WILL BE AGAIN, PRESENTING THE POWERPOINT AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

OKAY, GOOD EVENING.

GOOD EVENING.

HOPING TO SEE IF WE HAVE SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES APPARENTLY HERE.

UM, MY NAME IS ALEX DOUGLAS.

I'M WITH THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE FRONT ROW CARDINALS.

THIS IS DONNA SETTLE.

SHE IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD, UH, FOR THE FRONT ROYAL CARDINALS.

AND, UH, TODAY LIKE, UH, MR. D MR. LANDS MENTIONED, UH, WE ARE LOOKING TO SELL BEER OR ASK THAT THE COUNTY ALLOW US TO SELL BEER AT THE FRONT ROW CARDINALS HOME GAMES.

UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE VERY CLEAR FROM THE GET-GO IS, UH, WE HAVE NO INTENTIONS AT ALL OF SELLING BEER AT HIGH SCHOOL GAMES THAT TAKE PART AT THE STADIUM AND AT NO TIME DO EITHER A HIGH SCHOOL GAME OR A CARDINALS GAME OVERLAP.

SO THERE WILL BE NO ISSUES THERE WITH THAT.

SO, UM, MY SLIDE IS NOT COMING UP THERE, BUT I DO HAVE IT ON MY LAPTOP.

SO, UM, IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE HAVING SOME TROUBLES THERE, BUT, UM, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT YOUR SLIDES, THE FIRST COUPLE OF SLIDES KIND OF TELL YOU ABOUT THE FRONT ROYAL CARDINALS.

UM, WE CAN GO INTO THOSE IF YOU NEED ME TO, UM, LET'S SEE HERE.

I APOLOGIZE.

UM, SO OUR, OUR, OUR MISSION IS BASICALLY THAT WE'RE DEDICATED TO FOSTERING AND PROMOTING YOUTH BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL, GOOD SPORTSMANSHIP, EDUCATION, AND CIVIC RESPONSIBILITY WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY.

UH, WE'RE A 5 0 1 C CORPORATION.

UH, SO OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NONPROFIT, NONE OF THE PROFIT PROCEEDS THAT WE GET COME TO US.

WE PUSH THEM BACK OUT TO THE COMMUNITY VIA SCHOLARSHIPS, CAMPS, AND TRAINING ACTIVITIES FOR THE KIDS.

UM, OUR GOAL IS TO SUPPORT A COMMUNITY WITH W WHILE PROVIDING, OH, THERE WE GO.

UH, WHILE PROVIDING A SAFE AND A SAFE AND FAMILY, UH, ATMOSPHERE FOR OUR, OUR CUSTOMERS WHEN THEY COME TO THE GAME.

UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THESE ARE OUR BOARD MEMBERS.

UM, SOME OF THEM AREN'T HERE TODAY.

UM, KEY MILESTONES IN OUR ORGANIZATION, WE PLAYED 2 42 GAMES, 21 HOME, 21 AWAY, UH, WITHIN THE SEASON, IT'S THE JUNE THROUGH JULY.

SO VERY SHORT TIMEFRAME.

UM, IF WE PLAY VERY WELL, WE GET TO PLAY IN THE PLAYOFFS AND THAT IS THE FIRST WEEK OF AUGUST.

UH, IT IS A VERY, IT'S A SET TIME SCHEDULE.

SO WE, WE PLAY THOSE GAMES VERY QUICKLY.

UM, WE WERE SELECTED AS THE BEST PLACE TO PLAY, UH, BASEBALL

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AND, UH, WE ARE SELECTED AS THE 2022 ALL-STAR GAMES.

SO THIS YEAR WE'LL BE HOSTING THE ALL-STAR GAME HERE IN FRONT ROYAL.

UH, SO THAT'S A PRETTY BIG DEAL FOR US.

UH, ONE OF THE NEXT THINGS WE HAVE IS THE INTRODUCTION OF BEER SALES.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THIS YEAR.

UM, SO CARDINAL'S KEY ACTIVITIES, COLLEGIATE BASEBALL, SUMMER CAMPS, UM, AND FAMILY ACTIVITIES THAT WE PROVIDE THERE, WE SERVE AS FRONT ROYAL BENTONVILLE, LINDEN, AND MIDDLETOWN.

THAT'S BASICALLY THE COMMUNITY THAT COMES OUT TO OUR GAMES THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE STROUDSBURG, WINCHESTER, PERSONAL VILLE, AND OTHER COMMUTING AREAS THAT HAVE TEAMS AS WELL, THAT COME OUT TO VISIT THE GAME AND WATCH THE GAMES AS WELL.

SO WE DO GET PEOPLE FROM BOTH OTHER TEAMS. UH, THIS IS A COPY OF OUR SCHEDULE HERE.

UH, LIKE I SAID, IT'S, THIS YEAR WE'LL HAVE ACTUALLY 18 PHYSICAL DAYS OR 18 DAYS, I SHOULD SAY, UH, TO, UH, SOME OF THOSE GAMES WILL BE DOUBLEHEADER.

SO THERE'LL BE TWO GAMES IN ONE THAT THEY'LL BE PLAYING, UH, HOW WE'RE FUNDED.

MOST OF OUR MONEY COMES FROM DONATIONS.

UH, 13% COMES FROM SPONSORSHIP.

22% COMES FROM OUR CONCESSION SALES.

7.1% IS ADMISSIONS, AND THEN 4% IS MERCHANDISE.

SO AS YOU CAN SEE, WE RELY HEAVILY ON DONATIONS AND FINDING ALTERNATIVE METHODS TO BE ABLE TO RAISE MONEY TO CONTINUE.

THIS ORGANIZATION IS KEY FOR US.

OUR DEMOGRAPHICS, 55% IS ADULT 11% IS THE ELDERLY OR SENIORS.

MILITARY IS 5% AND CHILDREN IS 27%.

AS I SAID, OUR FUTURE PLANS IN ORDER TO BETTER SERVE OUR GUESTS AND GENERATE ADDITIONAL REVENUE FOR THE ORGANIZATION WERE REQUESTING THAT THE BOARD CONSIDER OUR ALLOWING THE FRONT ROYAL CARDINAL BASEBALL ORGANIZATION TO SERVE BEER AT THE BING STADIUM ONLY DURING OUR GAMES AS MENTIONED BEFORE.

UM, SO AS MR MENTIONED, UH, WE STARTED THIS PROCESS BACK IN SEPTEMBER OF 2021.

UH, WE NOTIFIED PARKS AND REC.

WE'VE GONE THROUGH, UM, THE BOARD MEETINGS IN THE PARK REC MEETINGS TO MAKE SURE WE FOLLOW IN THE PROPER CHANNELS AND GETTING APPROVALS AND COORDINATING WITH EVERYBODY THAT WE FEEL THAT NEEDS TO BE INVOLVED.

UM, ON MARCH 14TH, WE WERE APPROVED, UM, TO CONTINUE OUR PROCESS, TO BRING IT UP TO THE BOARD.

UM, WE WERE ASKED TO, UM, CONTACT THE TOWN TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'D BE OKAY WITH US.

UM, AS YOU CAN SEE IN YOUR PACKET THERE, UM, OUR DATA'S HERE FOR TODAY, SO I'M JUST GOING TO SLIDE FORWARD ONE.

WE DO HAVE A SIGNED LETTER FROM TOWN SAYING THAT THEY DON'T REQUIRE ANYTHING FROM, UH, THE FRONT ROYAL CARDINALS FOR US TO SELL BEER THERE.

THEY'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO LET US DO IT.

THERE'S NO NOTHING THAT THE TOWN NEEDS TO DO.

UH, WHY SELL BEER? RIGHT? THAT'S THE BIG QUESTION EVERYBODY ASKS, WHY DO WE WANT TO DO THIS? WELL NUMBER IT'S THE NUMBER ONE ITEM REQUESTED BY OUR FANS.

UM, IT'S COMMONLY AVAILABLE AT ALL SPORTING EVENTS TO INCLUDE COLLEGE AND UNIVERSITIES ALIGNS WITH THE SALES OF OTHER LOCATIONS, CURRENTLY COVINGTON AND PERSEVERE, VIRGINIA.

UM, AND IT CREATES ADDITIONAL REVENUE, STREAMS, REVENUE, STREAMS, UM, SECURITY MEASURES THAT WE HAVE DECIDED TO TAKE IN PLACE, RIGHT? WE FIGURED THAT YOU GOTTA BE SAFE WHEN YOU DO SOMETHING.

AND IF WE CAN'T TELL YOU HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO IT, THEN THERE'S NO POINT IN DOING IT.

UM, SO THE FIRST THING WE'RE GOING TO DO IS WE'RE GOING TO GET SPECIALIZED EQUIPMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S ID IS VALID, RIGHT? SO WE WILL HAVE ID GENERATORS OR IDENTIFIERS THAT WILL IDENTIFY THE ID AS EITHER A VALID ID OR LEGAL, OR IF THEY DON'T HAVE THAT, THEN THEY JUST DON'T GET ANYTHING.

WE WON'T SERVE THEM, UH, IMPLEMENTATION OF OFF DUTY LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS.

CURRENTLY, WE ARE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE AN OFFICER AT THE GAME AND WE DON'T, UH, THEY DO DRIVE BY, WE COORDINATE WITH THEM FREQUENTLY TO HAVE THEM COME BY AND STOP BY, UH, BUT WE WILL ACTUALLY HIRE OR, OR PAY FOR THE OFFICER TO BE ON DUTY AT THE GAMES DURING THOSE GAMES.

SO THAT'LL CREATE ADDITIONAL REVENUE FOR THE COUNTY.

IT'LL CREATE MORE WORK, UM, YOU KNOW, AND ALLOW US TO PROVIDE A SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR THE, FOR OUR PUBLIC.

UH, WE WILL HAVE AN ONSITE BREATHALYZER AVAILABLE AS WELL PRIOR TO THE DEPARTURE.

UM, THEY'RE PORTABLE.

YOU CAN TAKE THE CAP OFF, PUT A NEW ONE ON REALLY QUICKLY.

UH, THIS WILL ALLOW NOT ONLY, UM, US TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF OTHERS, BUT IT ALLOWS THOSE WHO FEEL THAT THEY MAY BE INTOXICATED OR CLOSE TO THAT LIMIT TO TAKE A BREATH INTO THE MACHINE AND IDENTIFY THEMSELVES.

IF THEY'RE CLOSE, THEN THEY OBVIOUSLY SHOULDN'T BE DRIVING.

UH, BUT WE DO HAVE PLANS FOR AN, A DESIGNATED DRIVER PROGRAM AS WELL, UH, WHICH IS OUR DUI EVENT, UH, PREVENTION PROGRAM.

UH, WE'RE GOING TO CALL THE CARD'S RIDE HOME.

AND BASICALLY WE ARE PARTNERING WITH OUR LOCAL COMMUNITY.

AGAIN, OUR TAXI SERVICES HERE IN FRONT ROYAL, UH, TO PROVIDE A FREE RIDE TO THE PERSON'S HOME AND A FREE RIDE BACK TO THEIR CAR.

UM, THAT WILL GUARANTEE THAT NOBODY'S, WELL, I SHOULDN'T SAY GUARANTEE THERE'S NO, NO WAY YOU CAN GUARANTEE ANYTHING, RIGHT.

BUT THAT WILL ALLOW US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PROVIDING ALL MEANS POSSIBLE FOR SOMEONE TO GET HOME SAFELY, WITHOUT CAUSING A PROBLEM WITHOUT A DUI.

AGAIN, WITH THE OFFICER BEING PRESENT, THAT'S ALSO TO DETERRENT, UH, THEIR POLICE CAR WILL BE PARKED RIGHT OUTSIDE THE GATE, WHICH IS A ONE WAY IN ONE WAY OUT SYSTEM AT THE PARK.

SO PEOPLE WILL DEFINITELY HAVE TO THINK TWICE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEIR DECISION IS.

UH, WE'LL HAVE ADDITIONAL SAFETY MEASURES

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BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE NOT IMPLEMENTED THOSE JUST CAUSE WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR APPROVAL STAFF TRAINING.

WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS TRAINED VASE OFF OF ABC GUIDANCE FROM THE STATE.

UM, AND THOSE WOULD INCLUDE UNDERSTANDING THE LEGAL RESPONSIBILITIES THAT THE FRONT ROYAL CARDINALS HAVE RECOGNIZING LEGALLY ACCEPTABLE IDENTIFICATION, UNDERSTANDING ALCOHOL EFFECT ON THE BODY AND RECOGNIZING SIGNS OF INTOXICATED GUESTS AND MORE, OKAY.

SO THOSE ARE KIND OF THE THINGS THAT WILL BE COVERED IN GENERAL.

UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO WAY THAT WE CAN EVER PREVENT ANYTHING, BUT THE MORE TRAINING WE CAN DO, THE BETTER WE CAN GET AT IT AND HELP MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE DOING THINGS CORRECTLY, SERVING CONTROLS.

LIKE I SAID, AGE VERIFICATION, VERIFICATION STATIONS WILL BE SET UP TO CHECK ACCEPTABLE FORMS OF IDENTIFICATION.

MULTIPLE TIEBACKS WRISTBANDS, UH, WILL BE USED SO A DIFFERENT COLOR EVERY DAY.

AND IT WILL BE RANDOMLY SELECTED THE DAY OF THE GAME.

UH, THEY WON'T BE A, YOU KNOW, WE CAN CHOOSE THIS.

MOST OF THEM, THE NEW ONES NOW WE'LL SAY OVER 21 OR UNDER 21, IF IT'S AN OVER 21, THEY USUALLY, UH, FADE OUT OR EXPIRE AFTER 24 OR 48 HOURS OF USE, WE WOULD BE IMPLEMENTING SOMETHING OF THAT SENSE OF SYSTEM LIKE THAT.

UM, ALCOHOL SALES WILL TERMINATE AT THE END OF THE SEVENTH INNING.

UH, WE WILL NOT SELL JUST LIKE EVERY MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL GAME OR ANY SPORTING EVENT THAT LAST QUARTER OF THE LAST COUPLE OF, UH, 45 MINUTES OF THE GAME.

WE TYPICALLY, TYPICALLY YOU WON'T SEE ANY ALCOHOL SALES THERE, THAT'LL GO INTO THIS PLACE AS WELL.

UM, THE OTHER MENU IT'S NOT MENTIONED ON HERE, BUT WE HAVE DETERMINED THAT WE WILL, UH, CREATE, UH, THERE'LL BE A POLICY THAT YOU CAN ONLY BUY AS MUCH BEERS AS YOU CAN CARRY RIGHT IN YOUR HANDS.

SO A PERSON COMES UP, THEY CAN ONLY BUY TWO BEERS OR THEY CAN'T BUY FIVE, SIX OR SEVEN.

IT'S JUST TWO BEERS.

THAT'S ALL YOU CAN CARRY.

AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO FIND A WAY, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT A METHOD TO KIND OF LIMIT HOW OFTEN THEY CAN COME BACK, UH, TO KIND OF CONTROL THAT METHOD AS WELL.

RIGHT.

THE PURPOSE IS TO PROVIDE SOMETHING, UM, ANOTHER AVENUE OF REVENUE, ANOTHER AVENUE OF ENJOYMENT, BUT NOT AN AVENUE TO GET INTOXICATED AND BECOME A PROBLEM AT THE STADIUM.

RIGHT.

IT IS JUST TO HAVE FUN AND KEEP CONTINUE.

JUST LIKE YOU WOULD AT YOUR NORMAL BARBECUE AT HOME.

UM, PRETTY MUCH THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.

UH, I DO HAVE ANSWERS FOR YOU IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT HAS COME UP IN THE PAST, JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, UM, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THEM, UH, BOTTLES THERE'LL BE PLASTIC OR ALUMINUM.

THEY WON'T BE GLASS.

UH, THAT IS A SAFETY FACTOR, RIGHT? WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY GLASS BOTTLES ON SITE.

SO THOSE ARE CONTROL, UM, CUTS, YOU KNOW, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, CONTROLLING THE SALE FROM PEOPLE OUTSIDE, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO TAKE YOUR BEER OUTSIDE THE STADIUM.

UM, OBVIOUSLY THERE'LL BE A SIGN THERE THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, NO ALCOHOL BEYOND THIS POINT.

WE DO HAVE PERSONNEL THAT STAND IN FRONT OF THE GATES.

UM, AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY WHO'S COMING OUT.

WE DON'T SELL CUPS, BUT WITH THE BEER, WE'LL BE POURING THEM INTO CUPS.

UM, SO THAT WAY WE'LL BE ABLE TO KNOW THAT THERE ARE CUPS AND WHAT THEY WERE USED FOR.

THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO SAY, OH, THAT WAS A COKE CUP OR A SODA CUP.

AND SO THE ONLY PERSON WHO'LL GET A CUP IS A BEER HOLDER.

ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY.

WELL, I KNOW YOU ANSWERED SEVERAL THAT I HAD, UM, ONE BEING, UM, TRYING TO PUT A LIMIT AND I KNOW THAT'S HARD BECAUSE I CAN CARRY TWO.

RIGHT.

AND IF THERE'S A LIMIT AND I WANT MRS. OUTS TO BUY ME MORE BECAUSE I'VE HIT MINE, THERE'S NO WAY TO KEEP POLICING THAT IF YOU'VE GOT 200 PEOPLE THERE, UM, ANY QUESTIONS FROM, I HAVE ONE, SO I AM VERY INTIMATELY FAMILIAR WITH THE CARDINALS.

I'VE SPONSORED FOUR YOUNG MEN AT MY HOUSE.

THEY'VE ALL BEEN INCREDIBLE BLESSINGS TO MY FAMILY.

UM, AND SO WE FEEL FORTUNATE TO HAVE BEEN A PART OF THE CARDINALS ORGANIZATION IN THAT WAY.

I DO HAVE A QUESTION THOUGH.

NORMALLY YOUR, UM, YOU STAFF, YOUR CONCESSION STAND WITH VOLUNTEERS, AND THOSE ARE OFTEN UNDER THE AGE OF 18.

YES MA'AM.

AND SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT ANYMORE.

CORRECT.

UM, SO THERE IS SOME CAVEATS TO THAT, RIGHT? SO, UM, ABSOLUTELY FIRST THANK YOU FOR HELPING US OUT.

WE'LL PUT YOU ON THE LIST TO HOST A FAMILY THIS YEAR.

UM, BUT NO SECOND, UM, THE CONCESSION STAND WILL REMAIN AS IS, UH, OUR INTENT IS TO NOT SELL THE BEER DIRECTLY OUT OF THE CONCESSION STAND.

IT'LL BE OUT OF A CONTROLLED SERRA SECTION.

SO, UM, FOR THOSE CURRENTLY, THE IDEA IF YOU'VE BEEN TO BING STADIUM IS RIGHT AT THE GATE WHERE YOU COME IN, UM, THERE'S A, AS YOU COME IN OFF TO THE LEFT-HAND SIDE, THERE'S A BIG OPEN SPACE.

THAT'S USUALLY WHERE THE GATE IS CLOSED AND IT'S RIGHT BEHIND THE ADMISSIONS, UH, TICKET BOOTH.

SO ACROSS FROM, UH, THE CONCESSIONS, UH, THAT'S KIND OF THE IDEAL PLACE OF WE'RE.

WE'RE LOOKING RIGHT NOW TO STAGE THE

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UM, SO NO, WE WOULDN'T BE ALLOWING ANYBODY UNDER THE AGE OF 21 TO BE IN THAT AREA.

WE WOULD HAVE STANCHIONS AND WE WOULD HAVE SECURITY MEASURES IN PLACE TO NOT ALLOW ANYBODY BEHIND THERE.

AND THE REASON WE CAME UP WITH THAT IS TWOFOLD.

ONE IS, UH, WE DON'T WANT TO TIE IN THE LINE WITH CONCESSIONS, WITH THE LINE WITH BEER.

UH, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHOEVER IS IN LINE FOR CONCESSIONS, WHERE IS THE MAJORITY CHILDREN OR PARENTS ARE NOT HAVING TO DEAL WITH THE INTERACTIONS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO BUY BEER, WHY WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE SEPARATING THOSE TWO CROWDS? UM, GOD FORBID, RIGHT? SORRY.

THAT'S HOW HE IS.

BUT, UH, GOD FORBID THAT SOMEBODY WHO IS INTOXICATED IS IN THAT LINE AND IT BECOMES BELLIGERENT.

I DON'T NEED THAT TO BE A PROBLEM FOR A FAMILY OR A CHILD WHO'S STANDING THERE.

SO WE ARE GOING TO SET THEM ASIDE.

WE'LL HAVE A SEPARATE AREA WHERE WE'RE DOING THAT.

AND WE'RE ALCOHOL WILL BE CONTAINED IN CLOSED, SECURE REFRIGERATORS THAT HAVE KEY CONTROL.

UM, SO THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO GET TO THE STORAGE WILL BE INSIDE THE CONCESSION STAND AT THE END OF THE NIGHT.

UM, BUT AGAIN, UH, IT WILL BE A STAFF MEMBER OF THE CARDINALS THAT IS TRAINED.

UM, AND EVEN IF IT IS A VOLUNTEER, THEY WILL BE A VOLUNTEER WHO IS OF AGE AND HAS KNOWLEDGE AND HAS COMPLETED ALL THE REQUIRED TRAINING, NOT ONLY BY OUR ORGANIZATION, BUT BY THE STATE AS WELL.

SO THERE, THERE, THERE ARE VARIABLES THAT WE HAVE THOUGHT OF, BUT KEEPING THEM SEPARATED HAS BEEN WHAT WE FEEL IS GOING TO BE THE SAFEST AND THE BEST BET SO THAT YOU OR YOUR FAMILY WHO GOES THERE DOES NOT HAVE TO DEAL WITH SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO BUY TWO BEERS AND WE'RE TELLING THEM NO, OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE GREAT.

IT'S JUST, WE WANT TO KEEP THEM SEPARATE.

NOW, IF, IF I'M 18 YEARS OLD AND I'M WORKING THE CONCESSION STAND AND THERE'S BAIRD IN THE STORAGE AREA, IS, DOES THAT HAVE TO BE UNDER LOCK AND KEY BECAUSE I'M 18 BECAUSE I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO SELL IT.

AND I REALIZE THAT BY KIDS ARE KIDS, RIGHT? SO IT IS A SECURED AREA.

ON THE OTHER SIDE, THERE'S A DOOR WITH A LOCK.

SO YOU CAN'T COME IN.

IT IS A KEY CODE ACCESS TO GET INTO THE CONCESSION STAND AREA.

SO WE WOULD HAVE THAT IDENTIFIED.

WE DO HAVE, UM, IN PLACE, WE'VE JUST PURCHASED A SQUARE SYSTEM, WHICH CONTROLS INVENTORY ALLOWS US TO CONTROL INVENTORY.

SO WE'LL KNOW WE'LL, WE WILL KNOW IF THERE'S ONE BOTTLE MISSING OR ONE CAN MISSING, UM, AT, AT ANY GAME OR ANY POINT IN TIME.

UH, WE DON'T PLAN ON STORING ON SITE.

UM, OUR INTENT IS TO PURCHASE THE BEER PRIOR TO THE GATE.

SO IF TODAY'S THERE'S A GAME, WE WERE GOING TO ORDER AND HAVE THEM DELIVER THAT DELIVERY WITHIN THAT TIMEFRAME THAT WE CAN.

UH, SO THE INTENT IS NOT TO KEEP IT STORED THERE OVERNIGHT, UH, WHERE THERE'S OR FOR THE NEXT GAME, OUR INTENT IS TO SELL OUT.

AND THEN, UH, REPURCHASE W AS SOON AS WE CAN FOR THE NEXT ONE.

UM, I JUST WANTED TO ALSO ADD, UM, I MEAN, WE HAVEN'T TALKED TO MR. LENZ ABOUT ALL OF THE SPECIFIC STORAGE DETAIL OPTIONS, BUT THERE ARE OTHER STORAGE AREAS THAT ARE CLOSED, THAT WE'RE USING FOR OTHER PURPOSES TODAY AND, AND, OR THE PARK IS, SO WE'VE LOOKED AT WHAT'S CALLED, UM, THE FIRST AID ROOM.

THAT'S REALLY NOT USED AS THE FIRST AID ROOM AS A SEPARATE STORAGE AREA.

THAT, THAT, THAT BEER COULD POTENTIALLY BE KEPT IN IF, IF WE NEEDED TO DO THAT.

OKAY.

NOW YOU SAID THAT YOU WENT IN, I'M ASSUMING THAT TOWN OFFICIAL WAS, WAS THAT PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

YEAH.

SO WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED TO, UM, SO THE LETTER CAME FROM, UH, OFFICE OF PLANNING, THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING, UH, OFFICER'S ZONING AND PLANNING, BUT WE HAVE TALKED TO THE CITY MANAGER.

WE HAVE TALKED TO, UH, ASSISTANT AT THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.

UM, WE HAVE GONE THROUGH EVERY MEANS POSSIBLE.

THERE'S JUST, THE TOWN SAYS THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

UM, THEIR, THEIR POSITION ON IT IS, IT IS, ALTHOUGH IT IS IN FRONT ROYAL, IT IS A COUNTY OPERATED PARK, AND ONLY THE COUNTY OPERATES THERE.

THEY DON'T HAVE ANY DECISIONS BASED ON WHAT THE PARKS CAN DO OR ANY INPUT.

SO THEY HAVE NO, NO PROBLEMS WITH US.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE LETTER THAT WAS PROVIDED, UM, THEY HAVE NO ISSUES OR REQUIREMENTS FOR US TO MEET IN ORDER TO, AND YOU, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO GO BEFORE THEM? LIKE YOU'RE A BIT BEFORE US, JUST SO THE COUNCIL IS AWARE BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH IT'S COUNTY PROPERTY AND THEY DON'T HAVE MAYBE THE DIRECT SAY AND YAY OR NAY ON THIS, BUT IT IS IN TALENT TO BE TOWN ENFORCEMENT.

UM, SO I'D, I'D FEEL COMFORTABLE IF YOU WENT AND JUST SAID, THIS IS WHAT WE ARE PLANNING AND JUST TO GET THE FEEL OF THEM BECAUSE IT IS WITHIN THEIR JURISDICTION.

YES, MA'AM WE'VE WE HAVE DONE THAT.

UH, EXCEPT THEY WON'T PUT US ON THE, ON THE BOARD, ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE IT'S NOT THERE.

THEY DON'T HAVE A SAY.

SO THEY HAVE NOT ALLOWED US TO GET ON THE BUS ON THE, THEY HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT TIME.

YEAH.

YEAH.

THEY WON'T PUT YOU ON THE AGENDA.

THEY WON'T LET YOU TALK.

NO, THEY'D SAY IT HAS NOTHING.

IT'S A COUNTY EVENT.

IT'S A COUNTY ISSUE.

IT'S NOT A PART OF TOWN ISSUE, SO THEY WON'T PUT US ON THE AGENDA.

THEY WON'T LET YOU TALK TO THE COUNCIL.

I HAVEN'T GOTTEN AS FAR AS ARGUING

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WE ARE TRYING TO FOLLOW THE STEPS THAT WAS GIVEN TO US.

UH, WE WERE TOLD THAT THEY DON'T NEED IT.

THEY DON'T NEED US TO GO IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL.

SO WE'VE COME TO THE COUNTY.

THE COUNTY HAS BEEN SO KIND AS TO GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AND WE'RE DOING SO, UH, BUT WE DON'T FIGHT THE GOVERNMENT.

WE JUST TRY TO WORK WITH THE GOVERNMENT.

I WILL ADD, SIR, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HELP FACILITATE THAT, WE WOULD BE MORE THAN WELCOME TO DO THAT.

THE BOARD COULD SIMPLY REQUEST THAT THEY BE PERMITTED TO SPEAK TO THE TOWN COUNCIL.

VERY SIMPLE THING THAT WE SHOULD DO THAT FOR AWARENESS.

ABSOLUTELY.

FOR AWARENESS, BECAUSE WHEN YOU LEAVE THE PARK, YOU'RE ENTAILED.

SO FROM AN AWARENESS SITUATIONAL AWARENESS POSITION, I THINK THAT WOULD BE PRUDENT.

NO, I, UM, AGAIN, IF YOU WOULD HELP US FACILITATE WITH, UM, MR. ALI, JUST SO THEY KNOW.

ABSOLUTELY.

UH, I THINK THAT'S, YOU KNOW, COMMUNICATION MAKES THINGS GO SO MUCH BETTER WHEN WE ALL TALK AND KNOW WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE.

SO I THINK WE'D BE GLAD TO DO THAT.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THEY DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT AFTER THAT, THEN THEY CAN'T COMPLAIN.

CAN THEY? CORRECT.

SO THERE, THERE'S A COUPLE OF OTHER PROCEDURAL THINGS, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS, IF WE RECEIVE APPROVAL FROM, FROM THE BOARD THAT WE NEED TO DO AND INTEND TO DO, IF APPROVED IS TO FILE AN, UH, AN ABC LICENSE WITH THE, UM, VIRGINIA ABC, AND THEY ALSO GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY, THEY HAVE A 30 DAY GRACE PERIOD WHERE YOU HAVE TO POST SOMETHING UP ABOUT WHERE YOU INTEND TO SELL ALCOHOL.

AND IT ALLOWS FOR ANY PUBLIC TO COMMENT DIRECTLY TO THE STATE OF VIRGINIA.

SO WE, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A 30 DAY GRACE PERIOD IN ORDER TO POST THAT AFTER THE LICENSE HAS BEEN ACCEPTED IN ORDER TO GET THAT FINAL APPROVAL TO SELL.

SO I'M NOT TRYING TO PRESSURE YOU FOR A TIMELINE OR ANYTHING TO, TO GET TO THE TOWN IF YOU'RE REQUIRING THAT AS A NEXT STEP FOR YOUR APPROVAL.

BUT, UM, FOR IF IT'S JUST AWARENESS, I, I, I WOULD RESPECT THAT WE DON'T HOLD THAT.

I DON'T THINK WE NEED IT FOR APPROVAL.

DO WE JUST, FOR, JUST FOR, FOR AWARENESS IS WHAT I WOULD SIT IN.

JUST, I THINK THE BOARD WANTS TO KNOW THAT THE TOWN ENDORSES THAT THE TOWN COUNCIL SUPPORTS THIS SINCE, AS YOU SAID, THEY'RE GOING TO BE OUT IN THE TOWN WHEN THEY LEAVE THE STADIUM.

UH, WE CAN PUT THIS ON FOR MAY 3RD, AND THAT WOULD GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO GO TO THE TOWN BEFORE THAT TIME.

TODAY'S MAKE OKAY.

YES.

JUNE SEVEN.

I'M SORRY.

I'M A MONTH BEHIND.

SO JUNE 3RD IS THE EARLIEST THAT WE CAN VOTE ON IT.

7, 7, 7.

OKAY.

AND YOU HAVE, UM, YOU HAVE YOUR REGULAR MEETING NEXT WEEK.

SO MAY I ASK A QUESTION JUST BECAUSE I'M NOT FAMILIAR? I JUST WANT TO KNOW.

SO IF I, IF A RESTAURANT WAS OPENING IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, RIGHT.

WHICH IS KIND OF WHAT WE'RE IN A SENSE WHERE A CONCESSION AND THEY WANTED TO SELL ALCOHOL AT THE GAME, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO IN FRONT OF THE BOARD OF FRONT ROYAL TO ASK, TO BE ABLE TO SELL.

BECAUSE ONCE THEY EXIT THE PROPERTY, THEY WOULD BE IN FRONT ROYAL W ALL WERE IN.

AND THE REASON I ASK RIGHT, IS THE ONLY REASON THAT WE ARE ASKING IS BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A POLICY THAT HAS A REBATE IN PLACE.