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[A. Call to Order and Pledge of Allegiance of the United States of America]
GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.SECOND, 2022 BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING AND REVEREND JOHNSON.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO START US OFF WITH A PRAYER, WE WOULD APPRECIATE THAT, SIR, IF YOU WOULD ALLOW ME, I'D LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING AND, UM, AND REPORT TO THE ENTIRE BOARD, SOMETHING I JUST TOLD YOU CHERYL A FEW MINUTES AGO.
AND, UM, AND I KNOW THAT, UH, HOW BOLD YOU HAVE BEEN AND HOW BRAVE YOU'VE BEEN TO OPEN YOUR MEETINGS WITH PRAYERS.
AND I KNOW THAT, UH, I HAVEN'T HAD ANY, ANYONE SPEAK TO ME OR COMPLAINING NATURE AT ALL, BUT I, I HEAR THERE MAY BE SOME QUESTIONS.
WELL, TWO WEEKS AGO I WAS IN A, IN A MEETING OF ABOUT 50, UH, BUSINESS MEN AND OUR COMMUNITY.
AND I WAS GIVEN A REPORT ON SOME OF THE WORK THAT LIBERTY MAN DOES AND THE SITUATION CONCERNING THE NAMING OF THE BRIDGES.
AND AS A SIDE COMMENT, I, UM, REPORTED THAT, UM, THAT YOU HAD DECIDED TO OPEN YOUR MEETINGS WITH PRAYER.
AND THAT'S ALL I SAID, EVERY MAN IN THE ROOM STOOD UP AND GAVE THIS BOARD STANDING OVATION.
I WILL GIVE THANKS UNTO THEE O LORD WITH MY WHOLE HEART, I WILL SPEAK ABOUT MARVELOUS WORKS.
I WILL BE GLAD AND REJOICE IN THE NEA.
MY WORK AND MY SONGS WILL BE UNTIL YOUR GLORY.
YOU GOD, THE HIGHEST, OH LORD, AND HEAVENLY FATHER, ALL MIKE AND EVERLASTING, GOD WHO HAS SAFELY BROUGHT US TO THE BEGINNING OF THIS DAY, DEFEND US IN THE SAME AND DEFEND THE WORK OF THIS COUNTY.
AS IT GOES FORWARD UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF THIS BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, BE WITH THOSE THAT BRING BUSINESS TO APPEAR BEFORE THIS BOARD BE WITH US IN EVERYTHING, LET NO ONE FALL BECAUSE OF SIN.
LET NO ONE RUN INTO ANY KIND OF DANGER.
LET US ALL EXERCISE THE RELATIONSHIP THAT WE HAVE WITH EACH OTHER, WITH LOVE AND UNDERSTANDING AND LORD WITH, WITH THE WORK OF THIS BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, WE SHALL MOVE FORWARD.
AND THE GOVERNANCE OF THIS COUNTY WILL BE VIRTUOUS AND RIGHTEOUS IN YOUR SIGHT AND ALL THESE THINGS WE OFFER UNTO OUR LORD.
I CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER AND IF EVERYONE LET'S STAND, PLEASE, FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AMERICA OR WHERE SHE STANDS ONE NATION UNDER THEIR OUT
[B. Adoption of Agenda – Additions or Deletions]
ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA, ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS.UM, I'D LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION.
HAS ANY, IS ANYONE HERE IN THE AUDIENCE HERE ABOUT THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE INCENTIVE PAY AT THIS TIME? SEE, NONE.
I MOVED FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDAS, UH, PRESENTED, EXCEPT THAT ITEM L BE REMOVED.
AND THAT ITEM M BE AMENDED TO ALSO INCLUDE 2.2 DASH 37 11 A THREE DISPOSITION OF REAL PROPERTY.
AND 2.2 DASH 37, 11 87 LITIGATION.
IS THERE A SECOND, SIR? SO YOU'RE ADDING THAT TO THE CLOSED SESSION? YES.
AND COULD WE ADD ONE MORE THING TO THE CLOSED SESSION, THE EDA, UM, APPOINTMENT CONSIDERATION PERSONNEL, JUST COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
THAT'S THE, IS THAT YOUR MOTION? YEAH, I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT.
I, I MEANT TO DO THAT SOONER THAN THIS MORNING, BUT YEAH, STILL A SECOND.
ARE YOU LOOKING UP THE, THE CODE SECTION FOR THAT? UH, THAT IS 2 1, 2 37, 11 81 APPOINTMENT OR CONSIDERATION OR OKAY, WITH THAT ADDITION, IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND MANAGER, MRS. SHIRAKI ROLL CALL PLEASE.
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MADAM CHAIR.PUBLIC PERIOD, A COMMENT PERIOD.
60 MINUTE TIMEFRAME, THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER.
ALL COMMENTS WILL BE DIRECTED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, NOT TO THE AUDIENCE BE CONSIDERED OF YOUR FELLOW SPEAKERS.
THERE SHOULD BE NO APPLAUSE, BOOING OR AUDIBLE DISRUPTION TO THE PROCEEDINGS THROUGH A SHOW OF HANDS.
THE CHAIRMAN MAY ASK FOR A SHOW OF SUPPORT FOR COMMENTS MADE BY SPEAKERS, PLACARDS POSTERS, AND OTHER MEANS OF VISUAL DISPLAY OF COMMENTS WILL NOT BE PERMITTED IN THE BOARD MEETING ROOM.
AND THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE INFORMATION OR MATERIALS USED AS PART OF A FACTUAL PRESENTATION.
THE BOARD WILL NOT TOLERATE PERSONAL ATTACKS BY ANYONE ON ANY OF THE PARTICIPANTS AND ANYONE WHO VIOLATES THESE GUIDELINES WILL BE ASKED TO LEAVE.
MRS SHIRAKI HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP? NO.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME SECOND CALL, WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK THIRD AND FINAL CALL? OKAY.
[D. Presentation on County Investment Portfolio – Michael Snow, Senior Portfolio Manager]
WE WILL MOVE ON TO PRESENTATION ON COUNTY INVESTMENT PORTFOLIO.UH, UNDERSTAND THE COPY OF THE PRESENTATION WAS PROVIDED TO YOU AHEAD OF TIME.
UM, JUST IN SHORT, UM, JAMIE HAD ASKED, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'D COME AND PRESENT TO THE SUPERVISORS.
THAT'S, UH, I THINK BEEN SOME TIME SINCE, YOU KNOW, THE DISCUSSION HAS BEEN, UM, JUST ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING AS FAR AS THE RESERVE FUNDS AND HOW WE'RE INVESTING THOSE FIRST AND FOREMOST, THEY'RE INVESTED UNDER, YOU KNOW, THE STRINGENT, UM, UH, INVESTMENT OF THE PUBLIC FUNDS, ZACK.
SO, UH, WE'RE VERY TRANSPARENT IN HOW WE APPROACH AND HOW WE DISCLOSE THAT TO YOU.
UM, IF WE GET INTO THE DECK ON PAGE TWO, THIS IS, UH, REALLY, UH, ONE OF THE KEY PAGES OF THE, THE ENTIRE DECK.
UM, IT GIVES US A SUMMARY OF HOW THESE, THESE FUNDS ARE INVESTED.
UH, ONE THING I'LL POINT OUT IS THAT THE PUBLIC FUND ACT IS A LITTLE BIT BROADER BASE THAN HOW WE INVEST THE FUNDS FOR THE WARREN COUNTY, BECAUSE WE DO NOT FROM A RISK PERSPECTIVE, DO NOT ENTERTAIN ANY CORPORATE BONDS.
UH, WE'RE PREDOMINANTLY USING US TREASURIES, CDS, GOVERNMENT AGENCIES, AND BOTH TAXABLE AND EXEMPT MUNICIPAL BONDS.
DOES IT MAKE SENSE? AND WE FALL IN LINE WITH AA RATED ON BOTH MAJOR CREDIT RATING SERVICES.
UM, SO IT'S A HIGH QUALITY, UH, SHORTER DURATION BOND PORTFOLIO THAT WE'RE MANAGING.
SO THIS RIGHT HERE JUST SHOWS MATURITY DISTRIBUTION OF THE LINE, BUT WHAT I'LL POINT TO IS THE S AND P AND MOODY'S RATING ON FAR RIGHT PAGE, YOU'LL SEE HIGH QUALITY PREMIUM INVESTMENT GRADE.
UM, AS FAR AS RANKINGS AND RATINGS ARE, ARE LISTED THERE AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE, THAT GIVES YOU SOME MORE SPECIFICS AS FAR AS WHAT THE WEIGHTED AVERAGES OF THE PORTFOLIO, OR, UH, SO A COUPON RATE, YOU KNOW, THAT IN ESSENCE IS WHAT ARE THE COUPONS THAT ARE BEING PAID BACK IN INCOME TO THE COUNTY.
AND AS YOU SCALE OVER, UM, THE YIELD TO WORSE OR YIELD TO MATURITY COLUMN THAT'S ANTICIPATION, IF YOU WERE TO JUST HOLD THESE INVESTMENTS THROUGH TO MATURITY, HOW MUCH THOSE WOULD APPRECIATE AND VALUE IN ADDITION TO THAT COUPON RATE.
SO, AND THEN THE AVERAGE RATING THAT YOU'LL SEE IS THE S AND P IS A DOUBLE A PLUS, AND AN A ONE, WHICH IS THE EQUIVALENT IN MOODY'S, WHICH AGAIN, JUST PUTS YOU IN THE HOUSE, UH, STATUS OF, UH, INVESTMENTS.
NOW, PAGE THREE, THIS JUST BREAKS DOWN INTO THE INDIVIDUAL HOLDINGS.
AND AGAIN, ONCE AGAIN, IT'S TRANSPARENCY, YOU CAN SEE THE INDIVIDUAL HOLDINGS OF WHAT YOU HAVE WHEN THOSE MATURITY DATES ARE RANKED.
UM, ONCE AGAIN, DISTRIBUTION BAR CHART THERE AT THE TOP, TOP OF THE PAGE, I'M SORRY.
UH, YOU'LL SEE THAT WE STILL HAVE SOME REMAINING MATURITIES COMING IN THE YEAR AND THEN OVER THE NEXT ONE TO FIVE YEARS, UM, IS WHERE THE LARGER PORTION.
NOW THIS IS EXEMPTED THE CASH.
THERE'S ABOUT 25 TO 30% IN CASH RIGHT NOW IN THE ACCOUNT.
UM, SO AGAIN, AS THESE BONDS MATURE, WHAT YOU'LL START TO SEE IS BASED ON THE ACTIONS OF THE FED INTEREST RATES HAVE MOVED UP, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DISCOUNT RATE HAS INCREASED.
SO RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, SHORTER DURATION, MATURITIES TREASURIES, WE'RE SEEING IN THE 3% RANGE.
SO YOU'LL SEE DRASTIC IMPROVEMENT IN THE, UH, AVAILABLE LIFT IN INCOME AS WE MOVE THROUGH YOUR, UH, FISCAL 23 YEAR,
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UM, PAGE FOUR AND FIVE GIVES VERY SIMILAR IT'S, UH, INDIVIDUAL HOLDINGS.YOU CAN SEE RATINGS OF ANY INDIVIDUAL BOND THAT IS HELD AND THEY COUNT.
AND PAGE FIVE THAT JUST BREAKS DOWN INTO, UH, WHERE THE BOND IS, WHAT THE COST VALUE IS.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT, UH, A YIELD TO MATURITY RATING IS FOR EACH OF THOSE INDIVIDUAL INSTRUMENTS.
UM, NOW ONE THING I'LL POINT OUT IS HERE, YOU SEE AN UNREALIZED GAIN LOSS ON THE ACCOUNT OF, UH, THAT 478,000 BONDS OR ANY INSTRUMENTS ARE MARKED TO MARKET.
SO THOSE ARE MARKED BASED ON HOW THE MARKET TRADES, THE FACTOR THAT I'LL POINT OUT TOO IS WE HOLD THESE BONDS AND THEY MATURE THROUGH MATURITY.
SO THAT UNREALIZED LOSS, YOU SEE TWO THINGS THAT HAPPEN AS YOU GET CLOSER TO MATURITY, THAT BALANCE SHRINKS BACK TO WHERE YOU HAVE A ZERO.
SO THE NET NET IS IT'S NOT A LOSS OR A GAIN.
IT'S JUST WHATEVER YOU'VE COLLECTED AND AN INCOME OVER THE COURSE OF THAT INVESTMENT.
UM, AND THAT'S WHERE THAT YIELD OF MATURITY COMES INTO PLAY.
SO, UM, YOUR FISCAL YEAR, YOU MAY HAVE SHOWN IN 22 THAT OWN REALIZED LOSS, BUT IN SUBSEQUENT YEARS, LIKE IN 21, 21 IN 20, UH, WHERE INTEREST RATES WERE DECLINING, YOU SAW UNREALIZED APPRECIATION, UM, JUST A SIMPLE BOND LESSON IN FIXED INCOME BONDS AND INTEREST RATES HAVE AN INVERSE RELATIONSHIP.
SO IF INTEREST RATES ARE ON THE INCLINE, THE VALUE OF THAT HELD BOND GOES DOWN AND AT YOU, BUT AS YOU SHRINK CLOSER TO MATURITY, THAT'S WHEN YOU GET BACK AGAIN TO THAT PAR VALUE.
SO IT'S SAFE SOUND INVESTING, YOU KNOW, THE PRUDENCY UNDERNEATH THE CARE ACT THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING AND HOW WE'RE INVESTING THESE FUNDS THAT FIRST, UH, YOU KNOW, THROUGH PAGE SEVEN, THAT IS THE MAIN AGENCY ACCOUNT.
IF WE LOOK ON PAGE EIGHT, IT'S GOING TO BE SIMILAR FORMAT, BUT THIS IS A SCHOLARSHIP FUND FOR THE COUNTY THAT WE MANAGE.
AND SO AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO FOLLOW THE SAME KIND OF CHARACTERISTICS, HIGH QUALITY PREMIUM INVESTMENT GRADE, A MATURITY DISTRIBUTION LOOKS VERY MUCH THE SAME.
UM, AND THEN LASTLY, IF WE LOOK OVER TO PAGE 12, UH, THIS IS A FUND THAT WAS ESTABLISHED, UM, IT'S AN UNDER AN IRREVOCABLE TRUST THAT WAS DONE AS PART OF, UH, AN ESCROW.
YOU KNOW, SO AS FAR AS THE DEPARTMENT DID THE DEQ, UM, THIS ACCOUNT IS HELD AS A, A STANDBY, UM, AS, AS PER SE, UH, COLLATERAL.
SO YEAR TO YEAR IS INFLATION OR, OR, OR WHATEVER ADJUSTMENT HAS TO BE DONE.
THIS ACCOUNT COULD APPRECIATE AND VALUE BY CONTRIBUTIONS INTO THE FUND, UH, INTO THIS ACCOUNT.
BUT, UH, THIS IS THE NEWEST ACCOUNT OF ANY, ANY OF THE ONES THAT WE HAVE.
UM, YEAH, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, VERY SIMILAR CHARACTERISTICS, UM, HIGH PREMIUM INVESTMENT GRADE, AND, YOU KNOW, OUR ULTIMATE GOAL IS TO WORK WITH, UM, BOTH JAMIE AND MATT, AS FAR AS, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT OUR IDENTIFIED NEEDS, YOU KNOW, FOR THE COUNTY.
AND IF WE CAN COORDINATE TIMELINES AND MATURITIES THAT WAY, WE'RE ABLE TO MAXIMIZE YIELD IN, IN, IN, UM, DO MUCH BETTER THAN WHAT YOU WOULD ON A DEPOSITORY TYPE ACCOUNT.
BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH WE'VE SEEN INVESTMENT RATES INCREASE OVER TIME, UM, IT'S GOING TO BE SOME TIME FOR YOU TO SEE THE POSITIVE ACCOUNTS LIFT, YOU KNOW, THE SHORT END OF THE CURVE.
SO IT'S CASHFLOW EQUIVALENCES, UH, THAT HAVE REALLY INCREASED IN YIELD.
UH, BUT THE BEAUTY OF THIS IS, YOU KNOW, MOVING INTO 23, ANY MATURITIES THAT WE HAVE, OR ANY FUNDS THAT ARE ADDED INTO THE ACCOUNT, WE'RE GOING TO SEE INCREASE YIELDS IN THAT 3%, YOU KNOW, NORTH OF 3% WINDOW, UM, MOVING FORWARD.
SO A LOT OF INFORMATION, BUT, UM, YOU'VE GOT THE DECK TO KIND OF REFERENCE TO ANY GENERAL QUESTIONS.
ANYTHING THAT I CAN ANSWER ON MINE, THE QUESTIONS ANY FROM YOU, DR.
[E. Report – Virginia Department of Transportation (VDOT) – Ed Carter]
DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, MR. CARTER MORNING, MADAM CHAIRWOMAN MORNING AND MEMBERS.UH, OUR REPORT THIS MORNING IS FOR JUNE AND JULY, SINCE THE BOARD DID NOT MEET IN, UH, IN JULY AND FOR
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UPCOMING WORK IN AUGUST WORK THAT WE HAVE COMPLETED.UH, OF COURSE WE ALWAYS ARE DOING GRADING STONE APPLICATION ON THE STABILIZED ROADS IT'S NEEDED.
WE'VE COMPLETED MOWING OUR SECONDARY ROUTES, AND WE'VE ALSO IMPLEMENTED THE SLOPE MORE ON SEVERAL ROUTES.
UH, WE'VE CONDUCTED SKIN PATCHING, DITCHING AND SHOULDER REPAIR OPERATIONS ON A LOT OF THE ROUTES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.
AND WE DID EXTENSIVE REPAIR WORK ON ROCKY HIGHLINE ON HILL RIVERMONT AND LOWER RIVER VALLEY.
AFTER WE HAD TWO FLASH FLOODING EVENTS IN JUNE AND JULY, UH, WE PERFORMED BRUSH CUTTING ON ROUTE 55 EAST, AND WE HAVE EMPLOYED THE USE OF THE PIPE FLUSHER ON THE VARIOUS ROUTES THIS MONTH.
UH, WE BEGAN, UH, AND IT SHOULD COMPLETE, UH, THE SECOND MOWING OF ALL THE PRIMARY ROUTES AND GET STARTED ON THE SECOND MOWING OF OUR SECONDARY ROUTES.
WE, UH, WE WILL CONTINUE GRADING AND STONE APPLICATION, UH, HOPEFULLY THE WEATHER, UH, THE, UH, WE DON'T GET ANY MORE OF THE FLOODING TYPE RAINS AND WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING EXTENSIVE WORK, UH, AND TRYING TO DAYLIGHT OUR SIGNS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.
AND A LOT OF BRUSH THAT HAS GROWN UP THAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH.
SO WE'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING AN EXTRA EFFORT IN THAT BOARD ISSUES.
UH, OUR WORK, OUR STATE FORCES WILL BEGIN THE WORK ON REMAINDER OF ROCKY HOLLER ROAD.
THAT'S BEEN FUNDED, I SAY IN AUGUST.
UH, BUT, UH, I THINK THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO START TOMORROW.
A PORTION OF HOUSE VALE ROAD HAS BEEN RESURFACED IN RE STRIPED.
ALL I KNOW IS IT'S SCHEDULED FOR THE REST OF IT TO BE COMPLETED THIS CONSTRUCTION SEASON, AS I WAS EXPLAINED TO A SUPERVISOR MADE THIS MORNING, UH, THE ASPHALT PEOPLE ARE, HAVE A REAL, UH, HAIRY SCHEDULE.
IT'S HARD TO PREDICT BECAUSE IF THEY'RE, UH, TWO DAYS LATE GETTING TO ONE PLACE, THEY PULL OFF AND GO TO ANOTHER JOB THAT'S READY.
SO TRYING TO COORDINATE THEM ALL I KNOW IS IT'S GOING TO BE DONE THIS SUMMER.
HOPEFULLY THIS MONTH, UH, THAT BRIDGE CREWS, THEY WILL BEGIN REPLACEMENT OF THE PIPES ON ROUTE, UH, 7 35 BOWMAN HOLLER ROAD THIS MONTH WITH A BOX CULVERT.
HOPEFULLY THAT WILL ELIMINATE THAT CONTINUAL WASH OUT THAT WE HAVE THERE.
THE BOX CULVERT REPLACEMENT ON BROWN COUNTY ROAD IS WAITING ON UTILITY RELOCATION FROM CENTURY LINK.
UH, WE HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED IF CENTURY LINK HAS CHANGED OWNERS AND THAT WE, UH, WE HAVE NEW CONTACTS WITH THEM AND THEY HAVE BEEN MORE RESPONSIVE.
THESE NEW CONTACTS, UH, WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THEM OR GETTING SOME TREES REMOVED FROM THEIR LINES ON SEVERAL OF OUR ROUTES, AND THEY HAVE BEEN RESPONSIVE TO THAT.
SO HOPEFULLY THAT RELATIONSHIP WILL IMPROVE.
AND, UH, FINALLY, UH, WE'RE NOW ABLE TO INPUT OUR FUTURE RURAL RUSTIC PROJECTS IN THOSE LATTER YEARS.
I KNOW THE BOARD WANTED US TO, THEY HAD IDENTIFIED SOME AND THEY WANTED TO LIST IT GIN MONITORS NOW BACK OPEN, AND WE CAN GO INTO OUR SYSTEM AND ENTER THESE.
I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE BOARD THOUGH.
UH, WE HAD FOUR PROJECTS, WILLIAM VINCENT ROAD, RICHARDSON ROAD, MESSICK ROAD, AND PANHANDLE ROAD.
UH, WE, UH, WILLIAM VINCENT IS ALREADY IN THE, UH, THE SIX YEAR PLAN WITH JUST $14,000 IN 2025 AND 26.
UH, AND THEN A, UH, TO GET, UH, THE ADDITIONAL FUNDS DON'T BECOME AVAILABLE TO LATER.
THE TOTAL FOR THAT 355,000 RICHARDSON ROAD IS 238,000 AND MESSICK ROAD IS 224,000.
WE HAVE A TOTAL IN THOSE LAST, UH, TWO SECTION, UH, TWO YEARS OF IN, FOR THAT MONIES OF 882,000.
SO WE CAN DO ALL THREE OF THOSE ROADS WITH THE FUNDS THERE, BUT WE ALSO HAD PANHANDLE.
THE PIECE OF PANHANDLE THAT'S ALREADY FUNDED IS FROM 619 BACK TO WILKES AND ROAD.
THAT'S ALREADY FUNDED THE DOLLARS ARE THERE THAT LEAVES BETWEEN THAT AND WHERE WE ENDED, UH, WHERE WE CAME OFF OF, UH, INDIAN HOTLINE, 4.4, A 4.5 MILES.
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$1.5 MILLION, OKAY.SO WE WOULD HAVE TO BREAK IT DOWN IN SECTIONS.
UH, MY, MY QUESTION TO THE BOARD IS, DO YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND, UH, DO THE THREE WITH THE FUNDS THAT WE HAVE, OR TWO, YOU WANT TO PUSH ONE OF THOSE OUT AND DO A PIECE OF PANHANDLE, ANOTHER PIECE OF PANHANDLE.
CAN WE DISCUSS THAT AND THEN GET BACK? YEAH.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO LET ME KNOW RIGHT NOW.
UM, I WILL SAY THAT, UH, WE INVENTED HAS 170 VEHICLES PER DAY.
RICHARDSON ROAD HAS 390 MESSICK ONLY HAS 80, AND THEN PANHANDLE HAS 670 VEHICLES PER DAY.
SO CAN YOU GET US ALL THAT INFORMATION? YES, I WILL.
I'M GLAD YOU'RE SEEING IMPROVEMENT WITH CENTURY LINK, BECAUSE IF YOU WENT OUT ON MY END OF THE COUNTY RIGHT NOW, NO ONE WOULD BE IN AGREEMENT WITH YOU.
I HAVE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN OUT FOR WEEKS AND I CAN SHOW YOU PICTURES OF, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF MR. SCHELLENBERG TOLD YOU THE ONE DITCH ON ROCKY HOLLOW.
THEY LITERALLY THAT ONE AND THAT'S BEEN THERE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THAT'S BEEN THERE, BUT OVER A YEAR, THE GENTLEMAN THAT LIVES THERE HAS A WIRE THAT RUNS FROM THAT DITCH TO HIS HOUSE, WHICH IS PROBABLY TWO OR 300 FEET.
EVERY TIME HE MOVES HIS YARD, HE HAS TO PICK IT UP, MOVE IT.
AND IT'S BEEN THERE FOR TWO YEARS.
I DON'T FIND THAT EXCEPTIONALLY.
AND THEY'VE BEEN CALLING, I'VE BEEN CALLING.
SO IF YOU HAVE A CONTACT AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR FORMER POSITION, YOU WERE IN THE TELEPHONE BUSINESS.
SO MAYBE YOU CAN GIVE US HOW TO HANDLE A TELEPHONE COMPANY BECAUSE I'M READY TO CALL THE STATE CORPORATION COMMISSION AGAIN.
WELL, I, UH, THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION.
WE HAD THE HEARING AND WE WERE TOLD THINGS WERE GOING TO GET BETTER AND WE HAVE A POINT OF CONTACT, BUT IT'S NOT BETTER ON MY END OF THE COUNTY.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE REST OF THE COUNTY, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S HORRIBLE.
WELL, THE, YOU KNOW, PREVIOUS TO THESE NEW CONTACTS THAT WE HAVE HAD FOR THE LAST MONTH OR SO, WE COULDN'T GET ANY RESPONSE.
WE HAVE GOTTEN THEM TO REMOVE A COUPLE OF TREES OFF OF THEIR LINES.
SO WHEN I TALK ABOUT IMPROVEMENT TO US, THAT'S IMPROVEMENT, UH, AS IT, WELL, THAT IS IMPROVEMENT BECAUSE GETTING SOMEONE TO ANSWER THE PHONE THAT LIVES IN THIS COUNTRY IS INTERESTING.
AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO THEY SOLD TO, WHAT OUTFIT BOUGHT THEM.
UM, THE LAST I HEARD IT WAS A LUMEN, BUT THEY MAY HAVE SOLD IT AGAIN BECAUSE WHO WANTS IT REALLY? I'M SORRY, BUT THAT'S, I'M FED UP TOTALLY WITH THEM NOT INVESTING IN THE COMPANY ANY LONGER.
SO ONCE YOU HAVE THAT, THAT MENTALITY, THAT AT LEAST THE PREVIOUS OWNERSHIP WE WERE TOLD, THERE WAS NO FURTHER INVESTMENT IN THE COMPANY BASED ON NEW TECHNOLOGIES.
AND THEY WERE NOT GOING TO TRY TO COMPETE.
SO THEY WERE JUST GOING TO DO WHAT THEY CONSIDERED MAINTENANCE, WHICH IS BASICALLY AROUND ROBINSON.
THEY SWITCH IT TO SOMEONE ELSE.
AND IT EVENTUALLY GETS RIGHT BACK TO ME.
THEY'RE NOT FIXING ANYTHING, THEY'RE JUST MOVING IT AROUND.
UM, AND I GOT THAT FROM A FORMER, UH, RETIRED EMPLOYEE OF THE COMPANY.
SO I CAN TAKE THAT ONE TO THE BANK.
BUT, UM, IF YOU WOULD SEND ME THAT INFORMATION, I'D LIKE TO START THERE BEFORE GOING TO THE STATE CORPORATION AND GIVE THEM A CHANCE IF I DON'T SEE ANYTHING I'M GOING RIGHT BACK TO THAT CONTACT INFORMATION.
AND YOUR CREWS THAT END OF, UM, I KNOW EVERYBODY, IT WAS LIKE THAT STORM HIT IN A COUPLE OF PLACES.
THE FIRST STORM HIT, I THINK MY AREA GOT HIT THE WORST.
AND THEN THE SECOND TIME, MY AREA IN SIX 19, AND IT, YOU JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE OR EQUIPMENT TO HANDLE WHEN THAT STUFF HITS IN THAT MANY PLACES AT ONE TIME, BUT THEY DO A WONDERFUL JOB WITH THE PEOPLE THEY HAVE AND THEY'RE VERY QUICK TO GET OUT.
AND THE PEOPLE IN MY COMMUNITY REALLY APPRECIATED AS WELL.
THE CUSTOMER SERVICE, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU CAN'T DO WHAT YOU CAN'T DO AND AT LEAST IT'S RELAYED IN A MANNER THAT, UM, PEOPLE TAKE IT MUCH BETTER.
UM, HE, HE DOES A REALLY GOOD JOB WITH THE CUSTOMER SERVICE END AS WELL.
SO IT'S VERY MUCH APPRECIATED.
I'D LIKE TO ECHO THAT ON MY SIDE OF TOWN, THERE WERE A LOT OF TREES DOWN AND THEY WERE MOVED VERY QUICKLY.
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OTHER ISSUES THE BOARD WOULD LIKE FOR ME TO ADDRESS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.[F. Report – Virginia Cooperative Extension Office – Corey Childs]
OF THE VIRGINIA COOPERATIVE EXTENSION OFFICE, MR. CHILDS, MADAM SHARON, UH, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.IT'S ALWAYS NICE TO HAVE PEOPLE COME IN FRONT OF YOU.
UM, I WAS LANGUAGING AND BEEN ABLE TO GET YOU ALL A COPY OF OUR REPORT IN YOUR PACKET, BUT WE DID DELIVER ON TO MS. ROXIE THIS MORNING.
SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GET THAT.
UH, SOMETIMES IT CAN BE A LITTLE HARD TO, UM, PULL INFORMATION TOGETHER FROM INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE WORKING OUT OF FIVE DIFFERENT COUNTIES.
IT'S KIND OF LIKE HERDING CATS.
AND, UH, WE GOT ALL THE INFORMATION A LITTLE TOO WAIT TO BE ABLE TO GET INTO IN A TIMELY FASHION.
UM, LAST TIME, UH, MRS. POFF CAME IN AND TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE FAMILY CONSUMER SCIENCES PROGRAM.
AND MS. SWING HAS TALKED TO YOU RECENTLY ABOUT THE FORAGE PROGRAM.
SO WE'RE GOING TO TALK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE AG EGGS OF THE PROGRAM.
UM, IT WOULD SOME UPDATES ON WHAT'S GOING ON DURING THE LAST QUARTER.
AND ONE THING THAT, UM, ONE IS TO TALK ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT IS THAT AG HAS KIND OF BEEN CHALLENGED IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS.
UM, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE SPRING WHERE YOU HAD, THAT WAS REALLY COOL AND WEB, UH, WHICH DELAYED A LOT OF PLANNINGS AND GRASP RUTH AND FORGES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO A LOT OF OUR FARMERS WHO WERE MAKING HAY MADE LESS TONS OF HAY IN THEIR FIRST, UH, CUTTING THAN WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE DONE IN THOSE PLANTING CROPS WERE DELAYED IN MANY TOWNS IN PLANTING.
SO, UM, ESSENTIALLY THEY'VE HAD, UH, CROPS, THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO COME UP THROUGH THE, UH, HEAT OF THE SUMMER THAT WE'VE HAD AND THAT CAN AFFECT POLLINATION THOMPSON, DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO, UH, WE'RE STILL HOPING THAT BECAUSE WE'VE HAD A RELATIVELY COOL SUMMER THAT IT'S GONNA WORK OUT THAT THIS FALL, OUR CROP YIELDS WILL STILL BE OKAY BECAUSE WE'VE HAD, UM, IT'S BEEN HARSH SOMETIMES WITH THE RANGE WE'VE GOTTEN, WE'VE CONVERTED QUICKLY AND VERY HARD, WHICH MEANS A LOT OF THE WATER RUN OFF, BUT WE'VE HAD A LOT OF ELEMENT LINES, WHICH HOPEFULLY YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO SPUR PRODUCTION.
SO THINGS ARE LOOKING GOOD ON THAT SIDE AS POSSIBLE.
SO THINGS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO CONTINUE TO GROW WITH SOME SECOND AND THIRD CUTTING CROPS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE SHOULD MAKE UP FOR THE LOSSES THAT WERE DONE EARLY ON IN THE YEAR.
SO WE'RE HOPEFUL AND KIND OF A VERY, UH, HAPPY THAT THE SUMMER HAS BEEN AS ROLLED TO THE COOLS OR HAS BEEN, UH, JUST BECAUSE THAT, UH, HAS GIVEN US THE OPPORTUNITY, UH, IN THAT COMMUNITY TO, UM, GET THINGS HOPEFULLY BROUGHT UP TO SPEED.
YOU'LL, THERE'S A BIG DROUGHT GOING ON AT WEST, UH, WHICH IS FLOODING CERTAIN MARKETS WITH LIVESTOCK, PARTICULARLY.
UM, THERE ARE SOME REPORTED SHORTAGES OF, OR POTENTIAL SHORTAGES THAT ARE COMING OF, UH, VARIOUS COMMODITY CROPS ARE BECAUSE OF THE DROUGHT, THE HEAT OUT WEST.
SO I THINK IT'S GONNA BE VERY IMPORTANT THAT OUR FARMERS HERE IN THE EASTERN SOUTHEAST CATTLE, TRYING TO MAKE UP SOME OF THOSE DIFFERENCES.
UM, AND UNFORTUNATELY IT'S PROBABLY GONNA LEAD TO SOME EXTREME VOLATILITY IN OUR, UM, FOOD COMMODITY PRODUCTION THROUGHOUT THE FALL AND INTO THE FUTURE FOR NEXT YEAR, WHICH AGAIN, PLAYS INTO THE CURRENT RATES OF INFLATION.
THINGS COULD GET KIND OF DICEY AS WE LOOK INTO THE FUTURE.
BUT HERE WE ARE WITH OUR FOLKS, HERE ARE WARREN HAD BEEN DOING A GOOD JOB AND THINGS THAT PRETTY MUCH RUN ACCORDING TO PLAY OUT.
SO I'M GOING TO GO OVER A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE DO.
WE'VE HAD A REALLY BUSY QUARTER, UH, VERY ACTIVE WITH SUMMER PROGRAMS AND I'M GONNA HIGHLIGHT POSE.
UM, WE FINISHED UP NOW WEEK INTENSIVE SHEPARD PROGRAM.
WE HAVE A EXELON TRAILER WORKSHOP THAT WE DID IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE MAYOR SUMMER OVER IN WELL STAFF, THE MAYOR CENTER, OR RATHER HAD ABOUT 30 ATTENDEES FOR THAT.
WE HAVE A PROGRAM, UH, ON CHOOSING AND SIZING AND MARKETING, UH, THE RIGHT KIND OF CATTLE FOR YOUR HERD HERE LOCALLY.
WE DID ANOTHER EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM, JUSTIN HERGE, CURRENT PRODUCTION AND MARKETING MODEL.
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UH, AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO FOCUS ON MARKETING BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE CATTLE AND WIVES, DOCUMENTARIES ARE BEING, UH, PUSH AS MUCH AS THEY CAN.SO WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE ARE DOING THE BEST JOB THAT THEY CAN AND RETRIEVING THE MOST RETURN ON THEIR INVESTMENT.
WE DID AN ARTIFICIAL REPRODUCTION AND ASSISTED REPRODUCTION FOR CATTLE PRODUCERS.
UM, WE WORKED WITH THE ALBEMARLE EXTENSION STAFF TO PUT ON A NORTHERN DISTRICT WIDE
WE WORKED AGAIN WITH THE MAYOR CENTER STAFF TO PUT ON A
AND THEN WE ACTUALLY DID AN ONLINE PROGRAM THAT WAS REC ONE NUTRITION, SUPPLEMENTAL, UH, SUPPLEMENTS ARE FOR RAEKWON PRODUCERS THAT HAD ABOUT 40 DIFFERENT PARTICIPANTS FROM THE AREA.
AND, UM, WE ENDED UP PUTTING TOGETHER A, UH, WE HAD A PRETTY SUCCESSFUL MEETING, ACTUALLY.
WE ABOUT A HUNDRED PARTICIPANTS FROM CLARK WARREN IN FRONT OF COUNTIES ON THE WERE BUSINESS VENTURE, TRYING TO GET SMALLER PRODUCERS AND A SMALLER LAND OWNERS TOGETHER TO TALK ABOUT BEING ABLE TO COLLECTIVELY, UH, DO SOME POOLING OF RESOURCES AND MENTORSHIP AND EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES AND BUSINESS MANAGEMENT AND USING THE GOVERNMENT RESOURCES AUTHORITY TO HAVE ALONG WITH PRIVATE INDUSTRY THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE AND TRYING TO GET SOME IMPROVEMENT IN THE ABILITY TO BUFFING SOMEWHERE TO A SMALLER CITY SCALE, UM, WHICH A LOT OF OUR SMALLER PRODUCERS DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT BY THEMSELVES.
SO JIM WAS TRYING TO HELP THEM BRING THEIR COSTS DOWN FOR PRODUCTION THIS SEMESTER.
CAN THERE HAVE BEEN, UM, A SUMMER SERIES OF HORTICULTURAL FIELD DAYS OR IN THE FIELD WORKSHOPS FOR HORTICULTURAL AND MOSTLY APPLE ON PEACH PRODUCERS THAT WE HAVE IN THE AREA? UM, BOBBY CLARK, THAT OF SHENANDOAH WAS CALLED OUT TO RESPOND TO A NATIONAL TASK FORCE THAT WAS DEALING WITH, UM, COMPOSTING AND MANAGEMENT BIOSECURITY ON, UM, FOR THE AI PROGRAM.
THAT'S, UH, SIX MONTHS NOW, DAVION FLU WAS BEEN, UM, OSCAR ORANGE AND THE CULTURE AND TRADITION WIDE.
WE'VE BEEN FAIRLY FORTUNATE HERE IN VIRGINIA, THAT IT HASN'T IMPACTED US TOO HEAVILY, BUT MOMMY'S NATIONAL TASK FORCE TO WORK ON THAT ISSUE.
AND WITH MANY OF THESE LARGER FARMS HAVE BEEN IMPACTED.
THEY'VE HAD LARGE MORTALITY RATES, WHERE DO YOU POPULATE STEROIDS? AND THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND WORK ON THEM WHEN YOU HAVE SECURITY AND MANAGEMENT WHERE THERE'S DEAD CAUCUSES.
AND HE SPENT SOME TIME IN THE SUMMER DOING THAT.
UM, WE'VE HAD A RESURGENCE, UH, IN GYPSY MOTH IN THE COUNTY.
UM, WE'RE ALL THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF PACKING AREA.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IT IS SOMETHING THAT I WOULD SAY WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT AT THIS POINT, AS FAR AS BRINGING DEMOCRAT ALL OVER THE PLACE, BUT WE'VE HAD SOME HOTSPOTS.
SO WE'VE GOT SORT OF A CLIENTELE THAT COME IN SAY, HEY, WE'VE GOT ISSUES WITH THIS AND HOW DO WE DEAL WITH THEM? UM, IF YOU REMEMBER SEVERAL YEARS AGO, UH, THERE WAS A LARGE ENOUGH PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE A STATEWIDE SPRAYING AND MONITORING PROGRAM.
I'M NOT SAYING WE'RE GOING BACK TO THAT.
THAT'S THE FIRST TIME WE'VE REALLY HAD AN EGYPTIAN OFFICE YEARS, AT LEAST 10 YEARS.
SO, UM, JUST SOMETHING TO BE AWARE OF, MOST OF YOU SHOULD BE AWARE AT THIS POINT THAT WE ARE IN THE QUARANTINE AREA.
AND, UM, ENDEMICALLY DOWN WITH THE SPOTTED LANTERN FLOCK MAPS HAVE TO BE EVERYWHERE AND EXPANDING RAPIDLY.
UM, WE WERE IN A SITUATION WHERE WE ASKED RESIDENTS TO CALL IN TO FIGURE OUT IF THEY SAW ONE.
NOW WE'VE ALREADY BEEN DETERMINED TO BE ENDEMIC, MEANING THEY'RE HERE SO THAT WE DON'T REALLY NEED THAT IN YET.
WE JUST NEED EVERYBODY TO TAKE A CORRECTIVE EXCELLENCE ON MANAGING THEM AS MUCH AS I CAN, IF YOU ALL, OR ANY OF YOUR CLIENTELE HAPPENED TO RUN INTO SOME MAJOR PROBLEMS FOR ONE OF MENTAL HEALTH TO, UH, WORK ON THAT ISSUE, JUST TELL THEM TO GIVE US A CALL AND WE'LL TRY TO WALK THEM THROUGH IT.
THERE'S SEVERAL THINGS YOU CAN DO.
I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THEY'RE GOING TO STOP THEM BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING WHERE YOU FAIL ANYWHERE.
THAT'S GOING TO TAKE THEM OUT PERMANENTLY.
UH, WE'RE HOPING FOR SOME NATURAL PESTS AND OTHER THINGS TO COME ALONG, THAT THEM HELP US WITH THAT TERM.
THEN OTHER THINGS COME WITH LOTS OF RAIN AND VERY INTERMITTENT.
THE TEMPERATURES OF THE SUMMER HAS BEEN, WE'VE HAD LOTS AND LOTS OF QUESTIONS.
WE'LL HAVE, UH, VARIOUS INSECTS AND DISEASES THAT HAPPENED IN,
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UM, LAWNS GARDENS AND SMALL, UM, FORRESTER HICKORY.AND THEN THE LAST THING I REALLY WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY OF IS
UH, THIS PAST MONTH WE HAD OUR WEEK-LONG RESIDENTIAL CAMP, WHICH HAD, UH, 220 KIDS THAT HAVE A GOOD TIME AND, UH, COMPLETED IT SUCCESSFULLY.
WE'VE HAD TWO DAY CAMPS FOR ABOUT 20 KIDS.
EACH THAT HAVE HAPPENED HERE LOCALLY.
AND RIGHT NOW WE HAVE OUR FOUR-INCH YOUTH FAIR GOING ON OUT AT THE WARREN COUNTY FAIRGROUNDS.
AND CERTAINLY WE'LL INVITE ALL OF YOU TO COME OUT AND SEE THE FRACTURES OUT THERE, UM, WITH THEIR PROJECTS AND COMPLETING THE YEARS ACTIVITIES AND ACTUALLY THE SALE.
WHAT GOES ON FRIDAY NIGHT IS A GOOD WAY TO SUPPORT THE YOUTH PROGRAMS AND FILL YOUR FREEZER AT THE SAME TIME.
SO, UM, THAT'S REALLY ALL MY REPORT.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. CHILDS? I HAVE, I HAVE ONE QUESTION.
UM, I SEE THAT THIS IS LIKE A REGIONAL AND, AND THIS IS EDUCATING ME BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME REALLY KIND OF DEEP DIVING INTO THIS.
SO I SEE THAT THEY'RE, UM, ACTIVITIES AT FIVE COUNTIES, RIGHT? SO WHEN YOU MAKE THE REPORTS, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY WARREN COUNTY, IT'S MORE REGIONAL.
WHEN I, UH, PROGRAM ALL THE PROGRAMS ARE OPEN TO WARREN COUNTY RESIDENTS, AS WELL.
MANY OF THEM ARE HELD HERE IN WARREN COUNTY, SOME ARE HELD IN NEIGHBORING COUNTIES, UM, BECAUSE WE OFFER PROGRAMS IN A FIVE COUNTY AREA OR A REASONABLE BASIS.
SOMETIMES IT'S EVEN BIGGER THAN THAT.
UM, WE'VE GOT A DISTRICT WATER, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
IT COULD BE 19 TO 20 COUNTIES AND SOME OF THAT DEPENDS ON THE TOPIC, BUT WHEN WE DO THAT, WE OFFER THE PROGRAM REPETITIVELY IN MULTIPLE LOCATIONS.
SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY RESIDENTS FROM ANY COUNTY THAT ARE BEING ASKED TO GO SOMEPLACE ELSE ALL THE TIME TO GET THEIR INFORMATION AND TRY AND MINIMIZE THE MILEAGE THAT THEY HAVE TO NERVE TO BE ABLE TO GO TO A PROGRAM.
SO MANY TIMES YOU'LL SEE PROGRAMS ARE OFFERED IN EITHER IN THE COUNTY HERE FOR RESIDENTS, OR LET'S SAY IN SOUTHERN OR A PARK OR FREDERICKS, WHICH RIGHT ON THE BORDERLINE.
SO WE'D JUST KIND OF MOVE RIGHT OVER TO THE BEST OF ALL THREE COUNTIES OR WE'LL GO TO NORTHERN SHENANDOAH.
SO WE ENDED UP GETTING PART OF FREDERICK, PART OF THE MINE, PART OF SHENANDOAH, PART OF PAGE.
UM, AND WE'LL SOMETIMES GO MORE OF, THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO, IT REALLY DEPENDS ON THE TOPIC AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO COVER.
UH, THERE ARE CERTAIN TIMES THAT THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE, UM, PRETTY ENDEMIC TO ONE FIELD OR ONE DEMONSTRATION AREA OR SOMETHING WE'RE FINDING IN A LOCATION THAT WE WANT TO USE AS A DEMONSTRATION PLOT.
IT MIGHT BE ONE LOCATION IN A SINGLE COUNTY THAT ALL FIVE COUNTIES ARE INVITED TO, UM, BECAUSE IT'S A GOOD PLACE TO DO THAT TYPE OF PROGRAM.
BUT WE DO END UP AT THE END OF THE DAY, HAVING PROGRAMS IN ALL FIVE COUNTIES AND REPRESENTING THE INTEREST, HOPEFULLY OF THE RESIDENTS OF ALL FIVE COUNTIES.
SO WHEN I, SO WHEN I SEE 20 PARTICIPATED FOR THIS A HUNDRED PARTICIPANTS FOR THAT, THAT'S ALL FIVE COUNTIES TOTAL SOMETIMES.
I MEAN, IT DEPENDS ON HOW, HOW MANY OF US ARE INVOLVED AND HOW MUCH TIME I HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PULL OUT THE RESIDENTS.
UM, BUT USUALLY THOSE ARE THERE'S STRAIGHT ONE PROGRAM.
THOSE PROGRAMS WERE HELD HERE.
SO THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH ALL THE RESIDENTS WERE FROM HERE EXCEPT FOR MAYBE ONE OR TWO THAT CAME IN FROM SOMEPLACE ELSE.
UM, THERE ARE THE HUNDRED PEOPLE THAT WE HAD WERE PROBABLY REFLECTED, MAYBE 17 FROM WARREN COUNTY.
THE MAJORITY WERE FROM FREDERICK COUNTY.
UH, WE HAVE PREVALENT 17 PEOPLE OR 17 TO 20 OTHER CLARK AT THAT ONE.
UM, BUT THAT HAS A LITTLE BIT TO DO WITH THE AMOUNT OF NUMBER OF FARMS AND OTHER BUSINESSES THAT ARE LOCATED IN THOSE COUNTIES.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THOSE NUMBERS MOVE AND REFLECT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, UM, DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION AS WE GO.
BUT I TRY NOT TO PAIR THEM DOWN TO WARREN COUNTY RESIDENTS FROM MARTIN PARK.
SO IF I GO ON THE WEBSITE, I CAN LOOK UNDER WARREN COUNTY AND I CAN SEE ALL THE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS. NO, THEY'RE ALL ADVERTISED AS JUNIOR COOPERATIVE EXTENSION PROGRAMS FOR THE NORTHERN SHENANDOAH VALLEY.
HOWEVER, UM, YOU COULD IDENTIFY A PROGRAM AND LOOK TO SEE WHERE IT'S BEEN HOSTED OR LOCATED.
IS THERE A WAY TO KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING SPECIFICALLY IN WARREN
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COUNTY? IF WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE I CAN TELL YOU THAT I'M SORRY.IF WE HAD MORE EMPLOYEES, MORE PEOPLE, I COULD REALLY BRING IT DOWN THAT FAR.
UM, I CAN GIVE YOU A REAL SUMMARY OF WHAT'S GOING IN WARREN SPECIFICALLY, BUT BECAUSE WE DO ALL THE PROGRAMMING THAT WAY AND ALL OF US DO, IT'S REALLY HARD TO PULL OUT THE DATA SIMPLY FOR ONE AREA.
UM, IT USED TO BE EASIER WHEN WE DID THINGS NOT ELECTRONICALLY, BUT NOW IT'S HARD TO TELL WHERE A EMAIL ADDRESS OR WHERE A SPECIFIC REQUEST COMES FROM SOMETIMES BECAUSE THEY DON'T IDENTIFY WHERE THEY LIVE.
BUT MANY TIMES I DO THEY'LL CALL IN OR I'LL DO FARM VISITS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS HERE LOCALLY OR AROUND THE FIVE COUNTIES.
UM, AND I'LL HAVE THAT SPECIFIC ADDRESS BECAUSE WE MEET WITH INDIVIDUALS ON THEIR PROPERTY.
UM, BUT THE WAY THINGS HAVE CHANGED IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, WE CAN'T NECESSARILY REQUIRE PEOPLE TO SIGN IN FOR EVENTS.
SO ALL WE CAN DO IS HEAD COUNTS.
AND UNLESS WE KNOW THOSE INDIVIDUALS PERSONALLY, AND I'VE BEEN THERE BEFORE, WE CAN'T, WE DON'T HAVE ANY WAY TO POSITIVELY VERIFY THAT THEY ARE FROM THIS LOCATION OR THIS COUNTY OR THAT KIND OF THING, BUT I CAN GIVE YOU THE BEST ANECDOTAL INFORMATION I POSSIBLY CAN BY GOING, WE'RE GETTING THIS NUMBER OF PEOPLE OR THIS COUNTY OR THAT COUNTY OR WHATEVER.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE WORK WARREN COUNTY, SO WE WANT TO KNOW HOW EFFECTIVE YOUR PROGRAMS ARE IN WARREN COUNTY.
AND I KNOW THAT THAT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO DO.
AND THE OTHER THING THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO UNDERSTAND IS WE'VE GOT, UM, WELL, THERE'S 10 PEOPLE THAT ARE SERVICING THIS COUNTY OR HAVE THAT RESPONSIBILITY.
SO GETTING ALL THAT DATA FROM ALL 10 MAKES A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGING.
UM, BUT WE CAN, WE CAN TRY TO DO A LITTLE BETTER AND MORE INTO DEPTH ON EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE AND WHAT WE'VE DONE.
YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD HOPE THAT OTHER COUNTIES THAT YOU REPORT TO HER ASKING THE SAME QUESTION, UH, I MEAN, I ACTUALLY MOCKED UP TRYING TO BEAT YOU UP OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR CHALLENGES I REALLY DO.
UM, BUT YOU, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE FOUR AG AGENTS THAT ARE ALL IN DIFFERENT PROGRAM AREAS, DOING PROGRAMS AND FIVE COUNTIES, AND THOSE COUNTIES ALL HAVE DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS.
SO THERE MAY BE A TIME WHEN THIS COUNTY IS BEING FOCUSED ON MORE THAN THIS COUNTY, BECAUSE THEY HAVE MORE INFRASTRUCTURE AND DEVELOPMENT OF BAG IN THAT AREA.
AND WE HAVE FCS FOLKS THAT ARE DOING THE SAME THING IN FAMILY, CONSUMER SCIENCES.
THE ONLY ONE THAT WE HAVE BROKEN DOWN TO A SPECIFIC COUNTY IS OUR FOUR-INCH PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE A FORAGE AGENT OR PORCH RESPONSIBLE PERSON IN EACH COUNTY.
SO THEY ARE ABLE TO COLLECT THEIR DATA REALLY FAIRLY EASILY ON SPECIFICALLY BY COUNTY.
THE OTHER ONES IS IT'S MUCH TOUGHER, BUT WE'LL PUT FORTH AN EFFORT TO TRY TO DO A BETTER JOB IN GETTING IT NARROWED DOWN FOR YOU.
MR. CHILD, UM, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE FOUR H CENTER.
SO YOU, YOU SAID THERE WERE 220 PARTICIPANTS FOR THE CAMP.
WHAT IS THE FORAGE CENTER DOING BEYOND THAT ONE WEEK A YEAR? IS IT BEING UTILIZED AT ALL? AND CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT'S GOING ON THERE? IF IT IS, I CAN TELL YOU THE SONG.
I MEAN, THE RELATIONSHIP THAT WE HAVE AT THE FORAGE CENTER IS THE FREIGHT CENTER IS A FOUR-INCH ENTITY.
THAT'S UNDER THE STATE FORAGE PROGRAM, BUT IT'S NOT AFFILIATED WITH US DIRECTLY, UM, WHERE WE ARE UNDER THE SAME OVERALL UMBRELLA, BUT WE DON'T OPERATE THEIR PROGRAMS AND THEY DON'T HAVE ANY INPUT IN OUR PROGRAMS. WHEN WE GO TO THE RESIDENTIAL CENTER UP THERE, WE ACTUALLY RENT THE CENTER FOR A WEEK.
THEY'LL TAKE KIDS FROM THE COUNTY PARK, HIM WARREN COUNTY TOGETHER.
CAUSE WE DO A JOINT CAMP AND WE PAY THEIR STAFF.
WE PAY THEIR FEES TO HELP US ADMINISTER THE CAMP FOR THE WEEK.
WE TAKE VOLUNTEERS, WE TAKE KIDS, WE TAKE ADULTS WOULD TAKE THE SUPERVISORY SIDE OF IT AND IT HELPED MOST OF THE PROGRAMMING.
UM, BUT ONCE WE GOT OUT OF THAT, IF WE GO TO USE THE CENTER FOR ANY OTHER TIME DURING THE YEAR, WE HAVE TO PAY THE FEES AND DO THE SAME THINGS AS ANYBODY ELSE WE'D HAVE TO CALL IT OR RESERVE IT IF THEY HAVE IT AVAILABLE.
AND WE, AT THAT POINT IN TIME THROUGH THE SUMMER, THEY DON'T DURING THE SUMMER FOR EACH CENTER OPERATES AS A SUMMER CAMP PROGRAM FOR ABOUT 10 WEEKS.
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OKAY.UM, BACK TO BACK TO BACK TO BACK THE REST OF THE YEAR, THE ENTERTAINMENT, THE GROUPS, THE RUNNING FACILITIES OUT THERE, PUTTING YOU ON VARIOUS PROGRAMS THEMSELVES, FOR WHAT GROUPS THAT WANT TO COME IN AND HOST THE FACILITY, UM, OR RENT THE FACILITY AND DO OVERNIGHT CAMPING THINGS OR WEEKEND CAMPS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
AND THEY HAVE A HIGH ROPES COURSE FOR LEADERSHIP TRAINS FOR SCHOOLS AND CLUBS AND GROUPS, SOME THINGS, UH, ALONG WITH A FEW OTHER THINGS THAT ARE ON SITE, BUT WHAT THEY DO REALLY, AS FAR AS PROGRAMS, I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER ANY MORE IN DEPTH ON THAT BECAUSE I JUST DON'T FOLLOW EVERYTHING THAT THEY DO.
I THOUGHT MAYBE THERE WAS SOME COOPERATION OR, OR SOME COLLABORATION OR SOME INTEGRATION WITH YOUR ORGANIZATION AND THE FOUR H CENTERS SINCE YOU WERE, THERE IS, UM, FROM THE STANDPOINT OF LIKE A SUB WE'RE UNDER THE SAME UMBRELLA, WE'RE STILL DOING FORAGE PROGRAMMING, BUT IT'S ONLY, THEY'RE FOCUSED SIMPLY ON OTHER PROGRAMS THAT WHAT WE DO HERE IN THE COUNTY AND OUR REAL EFFORTS TO COLLABORATE OR WORK TOGETHER MOSTLY ARE IN THE SUMMER, CAME FROM THE PROGRAM OR IF WE HAVE A WINTER OVER LIGHT CAMP.
UM, BUT WE, WE DON'T DO DAILY PROGRAMMING DISCUSSIONS BACK AND FORTH.
WELL, THE LAST THING I'D LIKE TO ADD, I JUST WANT TO ECHO MR. MABE ABOUT SEEING WHAT YOU CAN DO IF YOU CAN COME UP WITH SOME TYPE OF METRICS AS IF PARTICIPANTS IN THE DIFFERENT COUNTIES, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.
AND THEN GOING BACK TO THE CONVERSATION WITH THE FOUR H UM, I SEE WE HAVE STACY SWAN.
SO IF WE WANTED TO GET MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE FOUR H PROGRAM AND HOW IT'S RENT, UH, YEAH, SHE DOES COME.
USUALLY I TRY TO ALLOW OPPORTUNITIES FOR STACY AND KAREN, WHO ARE OUR OTHER PROGRAMS STAFF TO COME IN IN BETWEEN THE
SO IN THEORY, STACY IS GOING TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE FORAGE PROGRAM AND SMALL UPDATE ON THE REST OF THE PROGRAM.
KAREN'S GOING TO DO THE SAME THING FOR FAMILY, CONSUMER SCIENCES.
AND THAT'S WHY I FOCUS ON THAT BECAUSE THOSE WERE THE AREAS THAT EACH OF US WORK IN AND WE KNOW THE BEST.
SO, UH, IF THAT'S NOT WORKABLE, WE'LL FIGURE OUT ANOTHER WAY TO GO TO GET YOUR INFORMATION, BUT I TRY TO DO THAT.
SO YOU CAN HAVE INTERACTION WITH FAMILIES WELL, AND GET A FEELING FROM THEM ON THE WAY THEIR PROGRAMS ARE CALLED.
[G. Report – Warren County Department of Social Services – Jon Martz]
A WARREN COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES.MR. BARTZ ADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
IT'S WONDERFUL TO BE HERE WITH YOU AGAIN THIS MORNING.
AND TODAY I BROUGHT A SPECIAL TREAT FOR YOU.
UH, MISS LUCY RIFFY IS OUR ADULT SERVICES, ADULT PROTECTIVE SERVICES SUPERVISOR.
AND SHE'S GOING TO GIVE YOU SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROGRAMS THAT SHE SUPERVISES.
RIGHT? GOOD MORNING, MADAM CHAIR.
MY NAME IS LUCY REFEREE AND LIKE HE SAID, I AM THE APS SUPERVISOR.
SO I'LL JUST, UM, GIVE YOU A BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF WHAT I DO.
SO ADULT PROTECTIVE SERVICES, WHAT WE DO IS WE RECEIVE AND INVESTIGATE REPORTS OF ABUSE, NEGLECT, AND EXPLOITATION OF ADULTS WHO ARE AGED 60 AND OLDER OR INCAPACITATED ABOVE THE AGE OF 18.
IF PROTECTIVE SERVICES ARE NEEDED AND ACCEPTED BY THE INDIVIDUAL LOCAL APS WORKERS MAY ARRANGE A WIDE VARIETY OF HEALTH, HOUSING, SOCIAL, AND LEGAL SERVICES TO STOP THE MISTREATMENT OR TO PREVENT FURTHER MISTREATMENT OF THE INDIVIDUAL SERVICES OFFERED MAY INCLUDE HOME-BASED CARE, TRANSPORTATION, ADULT DAY SERVICES, ADULT FOSTER CARE, NUTRITION SERVICES, AND LEGAL INTERVENTION.
IN ORDER TO PROTECT THE ADULT SERVICES MAY ALSO BE ARRANGED FOR INDIVIDUALS IN EMERGENCIES WHO LACK THE CAPACITY TO CONSENT TO SERVICES.
I DID ADD A LITTLE BIT OF STATISTICS FOR YOU.
SO FOR THE YEAR OF 2021, THE TOTAL APS REPORTS THAT WE RECEIVED WAS 320 OUT OF THAT 263 OR VALID MEANING THAT THEY MET THE CRITERIA FOR ADULT PROTECTIVE SERVICES AND OF THE TWO HUNDRED AND SIXTY THREE, A HUNDRED AND FORTY FOUR OF THEM WERE SUBSTANTIATED.
MEANING THAT THE INDIVIDUAL WAS EITHER AT RISK OF ABUSE, NEGLECT, OR EXPLOITATION, OR WAS BEING ABUSED,
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NEGLECTED, OR EXPLOITED.THE TOTAL APS REPORTS WE RECEIVED FOR 2022 TO DATE IS ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY THREE, A HUNDRED AND FIFTY SIX OF THOSE HAVE BEEN VALID WITH 108 OF THEM.
SO FAR SUBSTANTIATED THAT WE HAVE OPEN CASES OR HAVE WORKED CASES WITH, FOR ADULT SERVICES.
MY ADULT SERVICES PROGRAM ASSIST ADULTS WITH IMPAIRMENTS WHO NEED SERVICES OR SUPPORT TO ENHANCE SELF-SUFFICIENCY AND IMPROVE THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE SERVICES OFFERED, INCLUDE HOME-BASED SERVICES, WHICH CAN INCLUDE COMPANION CHORE OR HOMEMAKER LONG-TERM CARE SERVICES AND SUPPORT SCREENINGS, ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY ASSESSMENTS AND REASSESSMENTS REVIEWS OF ANNUAL GUARDIAN REPORTS AND ADULT FOSTER CARE AS PROVIDED.
WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE AN ADULT FOSTER CARE PROGRAM.
UM, THESE SERVICES ARE PROVIDED BY LOCAL DEPARTMENTS OF SOCIAL SERVICES AND ARE DESIGNED TO HELP ADULTS REMAIN AS INDEPENDENT AS POSSIBLE.
PREFERABLY IN THEIR OWN HOME, THE GOAL IS TO STRENGTHEN APPROPRIATE FAMILY AND SOCIAL SUPPORTS AND REDUCE THE NEED FOR INSTITUTIONAL PLACEMENTS.
EXAMPLES OF ADULTS THAT MAY NEED ADULT SERVICES ARE ADULTS WHO MAY NEED HOME-BASED SCREEN HOME-BASED SERVICES, SUCH AS COMPANION CARE, INDIVIDUALS WHO REQUEST A SCREENING FOR MEDICAID LONG-TERM SERVICES AND SUPPORTS.
UM, SO TODAY, UP TO DATE, WE HAVE COMPLETED 170 OF THOSE SCREENINGS.
THESE SCREENINGS ARE CONDUCTED WEEKLY BY AN ADULT SERVICES WORKER AND A PUBLIC HEALTH NURSE FROM OUR LOCAL HEALTH DEPARTMENT IN THE INDIVIDUAL'S HOME TO DETERMINE IF THEY ARE ELIGIBLE FOR MEDICAID WAIVER SERVICES, THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO REMAIN IN THEIR HOME AND RECEIVE PERSONAL CARE ASSISTANCE PROVIDED BY A HOME HEALTH AGENCY OR ASSIST HOME HEALTH AGENCY.
WHAT THEY DO IS THEY ASSIST THEM WITH BATHING, DRESSING, TOILETING, EATING, FEEDING, ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE TAKE FOR GRANTED OF DOING NATURALLY, OR THEY MAY REQUEST A SCREENING FOR NURSING HOME PLACEMENT.
IF YOU'LL NOTICE, I DID ADD AN XRP ON HERE FOR YOU ABOUT THE COMMONWEALTH COORDINATED CARE PROGRAM.
THAT IS THE MEDICAID WAIVER SERVICE, UM, FLYER THAT D MASS PUTS OUT DEPARTMENT OF MEDICAID, UM, ADULTS WHO MAY QUALIFY FOR THE MEDICAID AUXILIARY GRANT AND NEED ASSESSMENT FOR ASSISTED LIVING PLACEMENT OF WHICH WE HAVE SO FAR COMPLETED, FIVE ASSISTED LIVING ASSESSMENTS THIS YEAR WITH TWO FACILITY PLACEMENTS.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE ONGOING ADULT SERVICE CASES ON THREE INDIVIDUALS THAT RESIDE AT OUR LOCAL WOODS COVE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY AND NEED ANNUAL REASSESSMENTS.
THESE ARE COMPLETED TO MAINTAIN THE INDIVIDUAL'S MEDICAID ELIGIBILITY FOR THE AUXILIARY GRANT.
WE ALSO ASSIST ADULTS WHO NEED AND REQUEST SERVICES TO AVOID INSTITUTIONALIZATION.
AN EXAMPLE OF THIS IS THAT WE HAVE FOR CURRENT ONGOING ADULT SERVICE CASES TO ASSIST INDIVIDUALS WITH CONTACTING NORTHWESTERN COMMUNITY SERVICES FOR MENTAL HEALTH CARE.
UM, I DID ALSO INCLUDE AN EXCERPT FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF AGING ON THE AUXILIARY GRANT PROGRAM, JUST FOR YOUR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
WE ALSO MONITOR GUARDIANSHIPS.
OUR GUARDIANSHIP PROGRAMS IS FOR ALL INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE APPOINTED GUARDIAN OF AN INCAPACITATED ADULT, THEY MUST FILE A REPORT WITHIN OUR AGENCY WITHIN FOUR MONTHS OF BECOMING GUARDIAN AND THEN ANNUALLY TO THE LOCAL DSS IN WHICH THE INDIVIDUAL RESIDES.
THESE REPORTS CONTAIN INFORMATION ON THE INDIVIDUAL'S PHYSICAL, MENTAL, SOCIAL, AND PSYCHIATRIC STATUS FOR THE REPORTING PERIOD.
THE LOCAL DSS IS RESPONSIBLE FOR REVIEWING THE ANNUAL REPORT OF THE INCAPACITATED INDIVIDUAL FOR ANY APS CONCERNS.
AND THEN WE FILE IT WITH THE APPOINTING CIRCUIT COURTS.
WE CURRENTLY MONITOR MONITOR 93 OF THESE GUARDIANSHIP CASES OF INCAPACITATED INDIVIDUALS THAT LIVE IN WARREN COUNTY QUESTIONS.
SO HOW ARE THESE SERVICES DIFFERENT FROM THE WARREN COUNTY SENIOR CENTER? SO THE WARREN COUNTY SENIOR CENTER, UM, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THEY PROVIDE HOME DELIVERED MEALS TO INDIVIDUALS.
WE DO NOT HAVE THE HOME DELIVERED MEALS PROGRAM.
THEY ALSO CAN PROVIDE THAT CHORE AND COMPANION SERVICE CURRENTLY UP UNTIL RECENTLY, WE,
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UM, WERE UNABLE TO PROVIDE COMPANION SERVICES, BUT WE NOW HAVE A HOME-BASED CARE POLICY THAT WE CAN PROVIDE AS FAR AS OUR FUNDING WILL ALLOW SOME COMPANION SERVICES TO ASSIST INDIVIDUALS IN THE HOME.UM, ADULT PROTECTIVE SERVICES, THE LOCAL DSS THROUGH DOORS IS THE ONLY ONES THAT CAN PROVIDE THE ADULT PROTECTIVE SERVICES.
SO IS THERE ANY PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN DSS AND THE SENIOR CENTER WARREN COUNTY SENIOR CENTER? YES MA'AM.
SO THE END, THE PARTNERSHIP IS JUST DELIVERING MEALS.
IS THAT IT? WELL, THE PARTNERSHIP IS THAT OUR AGENCY, OUR ADULT SERVICE WORKERS OR APS WORKERS, WHEN THEY DO GO OUT INTO THE FIELD, WE DO MAKE THOSE APPROPRIATE REFERRALS TO THEM.
IF WE FIND THAT THEY ARE FOOD INSECURE, WE'LL MAKE THOSE REFERRALS, OR IF THEY JUST NEED SOME LIGHT COMPANION OR THINGS THAT WE KNOW THAT THE SENIOR CENTER WILL PROVIDE, WE CAN MAKE THOSE REFERRALS.
AND IN RETURN, WHEN THE SENIORS FIRST GO OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY TO DELIVER THOSE HOME DELIVERED MEALS, THEY HAVE REGULAR CONTACT AND THEY HAVE THEIR EYES ON INDIVIDUALS IN THE HOMES.
IF THEY FEEL LIKE THE INDIVIDUALS ARE AT RISK, THEY IN TURN WILL MAKE REPORTS TO US TO HAVE US GO OUT AND ASSIST THE ADULTS AS WE CAN WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING AT ONE THAT DELIVERS THE MEALS.
WELL, THANK YOU SO, WELL, I GUESS WANTED TO, UH, YOU KNOW, I SEE SIR, THESE ARE GOOD SERVICES FOR BOTH ORGANIZATIONS AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME MORE OF A PARTNERSHIP AND HELPING EACH OTHER, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE THINGS, YOU KNOW, THAT OTHER THAN THE SPECIAL PROGRAMS, I UNDERSTAND THAT PART, YOU KNOW, BUT I MADE THE EVERYDAY SERVICES THAT THE WARREN COUNTY SENIOR CENTER PROVIDES TO SENIORS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, COMING OUT AND HAVING, UH, AND MAYBE YOU'RE DOING THIS ALREADY.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT YOU KNOW, COMING OUT ONCE A MONTH, TALK TO THE PEOPLE, TELL THEM THE TYPE OF SERVICES THAT THEY HAVE OR THEIR FAMILIES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD HOPE THAT IN THE FUTURE THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WORK TOGETHER BECAUSE THEY, THEY DO REALLY GOOD THINGS FOR ALL THE SENIORS IN WARREN COUNTY.
AND THEY, DO YOU WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, UM, ELDER ABUSE AWARENESS PROGRAM THAT YOU WANT TO? YES.
SO EVERY MAY IS, UM, ELDER ABUSE AWARENESS MONTH.
SO NEXT YEAR, WHAT WE ARE HOPING TO DO IS TO GET WITH SENIORS FIRST AND OUR LOCAL TRIAD TO PUT ON A COMMUNITY EVENT TO PROMOTE THAT ELDER ABUSE, AWARENESS AND PREVENTION MONTH IN A COMMUNITY EVENT THAT WOULD HOPEFULLY SPREAD SOME AWARENESS, GIVES THEM INFORMATION ON THE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS THAT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE FOR THEM.
UM, YOU KNOW, SUCH AS OUR ELIGIBILITY, SOMETIMES SENIORS FIRST GO OUT INTO THE HOME AND FIND THAT INDIVIDUALS DON'T KNOW WHAT PROGRAMS WE HAVE HERE.
SO THEN OUR ADULT SERVICE WORKERS WOULD, DIDN'T GO OUT AND EXPLAIN TO THEM, YOU KNOW, ABOUT LAI, HEAT, MEDICAID, UM, YOU KNOW, APPLYING FOR A SCREENING IF THEY THINK THAT THEY NEED MORE ASSISTANCE IN THE HOME.
SO, UM, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO PUT THAT ON NEXT, HOPEFULLY, MAYBE IN A MONTH OF MAY TO BRING SOME MORE AWARENESS, MR. MAYOR.
UM, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
UM, ONE BEING, UH, YOU LISTED YOUR APS REPORTS AND FOR 2021 AND UP TO DATE, 20 20, 2 OF EIGHTY, A HUNDRED AND EIGHTY THREE AND 156 WERE VALID.
UM, ARE THOSE ADDITIONAL REPORTS ARE NEW REPORTS.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT 320 IN 2021, AND THEN ANOTHER 183 IN 2022, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME PEOPLE? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT A NEW GROUP OF PEOPLE? SO THAT'S GOING TO BE A MIXTURE.
WE DO HAVE A PRETTY HIGH RECIDIVISM RATES.
UM, I DID NOT PUT THAT IN THERE.
I CAN'T, IF, IF I CAN PROVIDE THAT, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION, I CAN RUN THOSE REPORTS AND THEY DO PROVIDE ME A RECIDIVISM RATE OF HOW MANY OF THESE WERE REPEAT INDIVIDUALS.
I THINK FOR THE MONTH OF 2021, IT WAS SOMETHING LIKE MAYBE 180 OF THE REPORTS WERE, UH, ON THE SAME INDIVIDUAL.
I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO KNOW.
I MEAN, AS JUST A GENERAL PIECE OF KNOWLEDGE, UM, AND THE SERVICES THAT YOU PROVIDE, THE, THE TOILETING, THE EATING, THE FEEDING, THE LIGHT, HOUSEKEEPING, THAT TYPE OF STUFF.
ARE YOU DOING ANYTHING MEDICAL RELATED, LIKE CLEANING A FEEDING TUBES ON CHANGING OF BAGS OR WHATEVER
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THAT, THAT, THAT HOME CARE PERSON NEEDS TO HAVE DONE.SO FOR THAT PROGRAM THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THAT IS THE MEDICAID WAIVER PROGRAM.
SO WHAT MY AGENCY DOES IS WE DO THE SCREENING WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT TO DETERMINE IF THE INDIVIDUAL IS ELIGIBLE TO RECEIVE THAT ONCE IT GETS REFERRED TO THE HOME HEALTH AGENCY, IT IS TYPICALLY PERSONAL CARE, NOT SKILLED MEDICAL CARE.
SO AS FAR AS THE FEEDING TO THE, YOU KNOW, THE COLOSTOMY OR ILEOSTOMY BAGS, UM, THINGS LIKE THAT, THEY CAN APPLY FOR THAT SKILLED NURSING AS PART OF THAT MEDICAID WAIVER PROGRAM AND RECEIVE THAT SKILLED NURSING AS WELL.
BUT THAT WOULD GO BEYOND MY AGENCY'S RESPONSIBILITY TOWARDS THAT WE DETERMINE THEIR FUNCTIONAL, UM, ELIGIBILITY.
AND THEN THE HOME HEALTH AGENCY WOULD THEN PICK UP WITH DETERMINING, UM, HOW MUCH CARE THEY NEED, HOW MANY HOURS THAT MEDICAID IS GOING TO PAY FOR THINGS LIKE THAT.
TH THEN THAT TYPICALLY IS NOT THE SAME PERSON.
YOU CAN PROVIDE A SERVICE UP TO A POINT, BUT THEN YOU'VE GOT TO GET SOMEBODY ELSE TO COME IN AND DO THE MEDICAL PORTION, OR YOU GO, YOU, THEY HIRE THROUGH MEDICAID, A SKILLED PERSON THAT COULD ACTUALLY DO THAT AS WELL AS THE, THE TOILETRIES AND THE EATING AND THE FEEDING AND THE LIGHTHOUSE.
AM I CORRECT IN SAYING THAT OR YES.
SO THAT WOULD RUN THROUGH THE HOME HEALTH AGENCY BECAUSE THE MEDICAID WAIVER PROGRAM IS TYPICALLY BASED ON PERSONAL CARE NEEDS, JUST ATTENDING THE PERSONAL CARE.
ANYTHING THAT INVOLVES MEDICAL IS WHAT WE CALL A SKILLED NURSING NEED.
SO, BUT MEDICAID UNDER THE WAIVER, IT DOES PROVIDE THAT EXTRA IF YOU NEED A SKILLED NURSE TO COME OUT.
SO IT WOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT, BUT THAT WOULD THEN GO THROUGH THAT HOME HEALTH AGENCY.
NOW, ARE YOU PARTNERED WITH ANY OF THOSE TYPE OF PEOPLE THAT, THAT DO THAT TYPE OF WORK? SO WE DO HAVE A LIST OF PROVIDERS THAT WE PROVIDE TO ALL OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WE SCREEN OF HOME HEALTH AGENCIES.
AND IS THAT AN EXTENSIVE LIST OR IS IT JUST A FEW HERE IN TOWN? IT IS A LIST THAT SERVICE OUR AREA, LIKE THE WARREN SHENANDOAH PAGE.
I GOT A LIST OF ONES THAT SPECIFICALLY SERVICE OUR AREA.
W WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO GET A COPY OF THAT LIST, JOHN? THANK YOU.
WELL, I, I WAS, UM, DIRECTOR OF NURSING AT ASSISTED LIVING, UM, FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
AND HONESTLY I DID, I WENT OUT AND DID A LOT OF THESE ASSESSMENTS.
UM, THEY HAD TO BE DONE IN ORDER TO BRING PEOPLE INTO THE COMMUNITY THERE.
I DIDN'T EVEN, AND I'VE MAYBE THAT FAR BACK I WAS, UH, FROM 2009 TO 2012.
AND, UM, I WASN'T EVEN AWARE THAT YOU DID THESE.
UM, I DON'T REMEMBER THE LADY'S NAME.
I DO REMEMBER DANA MASON WAS MY DSS INSPECTOR AND WE BECAME QUITE FRIENDLY OVER THOSE YEARS.
UM, I HAD A LOT OF RESPECT FOR HER AND SHE AND I RETIRED AT THE SAME TIME.
UM, BUT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A WONDERFUL PROGRAM THAT YOU DO BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT FALL THROUGH THE CRACKS, NOT ALL OF THESE, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE REALIZE IT, BUT NOT ALL THE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES THAT WE HAVE EXCEPT MEDICAID.
AND THAT BECOMES A BURDEN FOR THOSE WHO CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY OUT OF POCKET OR DON'T HAVE THE LONG-TERM INSURANCE.
UM, SO IT'S GOOD TO KNOW THAT YOU'VE GOT A PROGRAM THAT CAN FUND THE NICHES FOR THE PEOPLE THAT FALL INTO THOSE, YOU KNOW, AREAS OF, UM, FINANCIAL NEED FOR, THEY NEED THE SERVICES, BUT THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO GO INTO THE ASSISTED LIVING.
AND I, UM, I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY OTHER PEOPLE, I MEAN, I WORKED THERE AND DIDN'T HAVE A CLUE THAT THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT I COULD HAVE FELL BACK ON.
WHEN I WENT OUT TO DO AN ASSESSMENT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T TAKE YOU BECAUSE WE DON'T TAKE MEDICAID, BUT I COULD HAVE REFERRED THEM TO YOU.
SO I, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS WONDERFUL.
I JUST THINK WE NEED TO MAKE MORE PEOPLE.
AND ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT GO OUT THROUGH THESE, UH, FACILITIES LIKE I DID TO BE AWARE OF IT SO THEY CAN GIVE THEM A RESOURCE TO CONTACT YOU.
WE JUST GOT TO GET IT OUT THERE.
WE DO HAVE A LIST OF ALL OF THE MEDICAID ACCEPTING FACILITIES.
UM, SO THE APARTMENT, WE CAN SEND THAT TO YOU TOO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS IF I COULD JUST ADD, UM,
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MS.WHY YOU ALWAYS SURROUND YOURSELF WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE SMARTER THAN YOU.
SO, AND THAT'S WHAT ALL MY SUPERVISORS ARE.
I, OUR ADULT SERVICES, ADULT PROTECTIVE SERVICES FUNDING THAT WE GET FROM THE STATE IS ABOUT $11,000 TOTAL.
AND SO IT'S VERY, VERY SMALL AMOUNTS THAT WE GET FROM THE STATE AND HER AND HER STAFF, WHO I WANTED TO BE HERE TODAY.
SO YOU CAN MEET THEM AND THEY'RE ALL WORKING.
SO, UM, UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, PLEASE LET US KNOW.
[H. Reports – Board Members, County Administrator, County Attorney]
OF BOARD MEMBERS, MRS. COOK.UH, THE ONLY THING I HAVE TO REPORT THAT WE HAD, UM, ANOTHER, UH, SCHOOL BOARD BOARD OF SUPERVISOR FINANCIAL LIAISON MEETING YESTERDAY AFTERNOON.
AND, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THE, UM, AN MOU, UH, BETWEEN THE BOARD AND THE COUNTY ON HOW TO, UH, ROLL OVER SURPLUS FUNDS FROM PRIOR FISCAL YEARS AND HOW WE CAN UTILIZE THOSE FUNDS TO HELP PAY FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS WITHOUT GOING OUT AND BORROWING MONEY.
SO THAT, UH, WE LOOKED AT THE, UM, THE DRAFT AND WE'LL BE PRESENTING IT, UH, DOLORES MS. NOTES.
AND I WILL DELIVER IT TO THE COMMITTEE HERE, EXCUSE ME, THE BOARD, PROBABLY IN A WORKING SESSION.
SO EVERYONE CAN TALK AND ASK THEIR QUESTIONS AND THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT THE MOU.
SO, BUT AS A QUICK LOOK, THERE WASN'T REALLY MUCH, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, PUSHBACK ON, ON THE MOU, YOU KNOW, JUST WANT TO GET EVERYONE ELSE'S INPUT AS FAR AS GOING AHEAD ON THE, UH, THE COUNTY BUDGET THAT WE'VE HELD BACK, UH, UNTIL WE CAN RESOLVE HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THE, UH, APPROPRIATE APPROPRIATIONS BETWEEN OPERATIONS AND, UM, UH, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.
WE'RE GETTING CLOSER IN AND HOW WE ARE GONNA PARTNER AND START LOOKING AT, UH, HOW WE'RE GOING TO FUND THE DIFFERENT, UM, UH, ALLOCATIONS, IF YOU WILL.
AND ALSO WE'RE STARTING TO LOOK AT, UH, FUTURE, YOU KNOW, NEXT, UH, THEN FOLLOW ON FISCAL YEAR, UM, STARTING TO LOOK AT HOW WE NEED TO START, UM, LOOKING AHEAD AND PLANNING, MEASURING PERFORMANCE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE NEVER KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
WE DON'T KNOW IF THE STATE'S GOING TO GIVE US THAT, UH, THE, THE SCHOOL, UH, ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY OR NOT, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY LIKE, I KNOW WE KEEP TOUTING NO INFLATION INFLATION, YOU KNOW, AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO, SO ANYWAY, I, I FELT GOOD WALKING AWAY FROM THE MEETING AND I CAN'T SPEAK FOR MISS OATS, YOU KNOW, BUT, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING CLOSER AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO REPORT.
UM, THE BIGGEST THING THAT I DID OVER THE LAST WEEK SINCE THE LAST BOARD MEETING, UH, WAS WE HAD ANOTHER MEETING WITH THE SHENANDOAH FARM SANITARY DISTRICT ADVISORY BOARD.
UM, THEY PROVIDED US SOME RECOMMENDATIONS.
UH, WE DID SOME WORK AROUNDS FOR THINGS THAT WE WERE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IN THE, IN THE DISTRICT.
AND THEN WE COME HOPEFULLY TO SOME REALIZATIONS THAT IT'S NOT, YOU CAN EAT THE ELEPHANT WITH ONE BITE.
IT HAS TO BE A PERIOD OF TIME TO MAKE IT BETTER THAN IT IS.
AND I BELIEVE THAT THE NEW BOARD IS DOING AN OUTSTANDING JOB IN BRINGING THINGS TO LIGHT THAT WERE NOT NECESSARILY LIT UP BEFORE.
SO, UH, IT'S SO FAR, IT'S BEEN A VERY GOOD THING.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE A BOARD MEETING LAST, UH, LAST WEEK.
UM, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY ALSO, UH, THIS LAST WEEK TO MEET WITH A DEVELOPER ABOUT UP POTENTIAL FOR HOUSING IN THE COUNTY, UH, NOT HUGE NUMBERS, BUT BIG NUMBERS AS FAR AS WHAT I COULD CONSIDER BIG.
I TALKED WITH THE DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR ABOUT IT.
I'M JUST WAITING ON ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND THEN WE'LL SHARE THAT TOGETHER.
UM, WE ALSO HAD A WARREN COUNTY DEVELOPMENT MEETING.
I WAS PART OF, UM, WE ALSO HAD THE SCHOOL BOARD BUILDING MEETING THAT WAS VERY GOOD.
I'VE GOT A REPORT THAT I'M WORKING ON FOR THE REST OF THE BOARD TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
UM, TALK TO THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AGAIN, AND ALSO TALKED WITH THE ADA.
UH, ALSO TALKED WITH, UM, UH, SEVERAL CONSTITUENTS, UH, ALL OVER THE COUNTY AND, UM, PERSONAL TOUT.
WE WERE ABLE TO DELIVER QUITE A FEW BOXES OF FOOD.
MAKES MY HEART FEEL GOOD ANYWAY.
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THAN THAT, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.I ATTENDED THE TOWN AND COUNTY LIAISON MEETING, NOT AS AN ACTIVE PARTICIPANT, BUT MORE AS AN OBSERVER.
I THINK THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY ARE MAKING PROGRESS IN THE WAY THAT WE ARE WORKING TOGETHER.
IT SEEMED VERY POSITIVE AND THERE WERE LOTS OF DISCUSSIONS, YOUTH PROGRAMS, AND A VARIETY OF OTHER ISSUES THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS AS A COMPLETE COMMUNITY.
AND WE ARE GETTING PAST THE US VERSUS THEM MENTALITY.
UM, I'M ALSO WOULD LIKE TO, UM, INVITE EVERYBODY TONIGHT.
TONIGHT IS NATIONAL NIGHT OUT AND IT'S GOING TO BE DOWN AT THE GAZEBO.
UH, THIS IS AN A, UM, AN EVENT THAT RAISES AWARENESS OF FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT COMMUNITY POLICING.
THERE WILL BE A HUGE NUMBER OF VENDORS SET UP AROUND THE GAZEBO DOWN THERE TODAY, A LARGE NUMBER OF, I THINK, I DON'T REMEMBER HOW MANY EXACTLY, BUT THE FRONT ROW WARREN COUNTY DRUG PREVENTION COMMITTEE WILL BE THERE.
WE WILL BE DISTRIBUTING INFORMATION WITH RESPECT TO THE DRUG COURT.
AND WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE HANDING OUT INFORMATION TO PARENTS ABOUT THE DANGERS OF FENTANYL AND THE, UM, THE DISGUISES OF PRESCRIPTION MEDICATION AND HOW CHILDREN ARE GETTING AHOLD OF THESE THINGS.
AND THEY'RE LACED WITH FENTANYL WHEN THESE ARE PRESSED PILLS THAT ARE MADE, NOT IN A PHARMACEUTICAL, UH, BUT MADE IN A LAB SOMEWHERE AND YOU KNOW, ONE OF OUR CITIES AND THEY TEND TO GET HERE.
UH, SO THAT WE'LL, WE'LL BE THERE TONIGHT.
SO I WANT TO MAKE EVERYBODY AWARE OF THAT LAST NIGHT, I ATTENDED THE WARREN COUNTY FAIR AND, UH, IT'S A GREAT, I LOVE THE FAIR AND IT JUST IT'S LIGHT HEARTED.
IT'S, THERE'S SO MANY YOUTH THERE WHO ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, PRESENTING THEIR WORK FOR THE YEAR WITH THEIR LIVESTOCK AND THEIR ANIMALS.
AND THERE WAS A, UH, A PARADE OR AN EVENT THAT ACTUALLY IT WAS CALLED THE PEDAL OLYMPICS.
AND, UM, LET ME JUST TELL YOU, THERE WERE A TON OF PETS THERE THAT ARE NOT TRADITIONAL.
UH, IF EVER THERE WAS A GOAT THAT PARTICIPATED IN JUMPING THINGS AND THERE, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF, YEAH.
OF ANIMALS THAT ONE WOULDN'T CONSIDER, UH, TRADITIONALLY PET.
SO ANYWAY, I ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO GO OUT TO THE WARREN COUNTY FAIR THIS WEEK, ONE NIGHT, AND ENJOY THE FESTIVITIES, SHAKE THE HANDS OF YOUR FELLOW CITIZENS BECAUSE IT'S A GREAT EVENT TO PARTICIPATE IN.
I DON'T HAVE, I DON'T SEE WORKOUTS ON TRADITIONAL.
I HAVE, I HAVE A 20 YEAR OLD COW.
JUST SEE LITTLE H W 20 YEARS OLD, HONEY, SHE'S GOOD.
BUT EVERY DAY I LOOK UP AND SHE'S STANDING AND I'M HAPPY.
SO SHE WILL BE BURIED ON THE FARM.
NOBODY HAS EATEN MY GIRL, UM, TOWN COUNTY LIAISON MEETING ON THE 21ST.
UM, AS FAR AS, UM, NON PARTICIPANT, I THINK, I THINK WE ALL GOT A GOOD LEVEL OF PARTICIPATION THERE.
UM, IT WAS A LOT OF GOOD CONVERSATIONS AND I AGREE, UM, IT'S, IT WAS A VERY POSITIVE WORKING TOGETHER RELATIONSHIP.
AND I HOPE TO HAVE MANY MORE LIKE THAT.
UM, ON THE 26, UH, THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE HAD A NEW TEACHER LUNCHEON, AND I WAS, UM, GLAD TO BE ABLE TO GO AND PARTICIPATE WITH THAT.
AND JEFF AND JEFF HAS, I'M NOT SURE WHICH WAY IT'S YOUR LAST NAME, BUT I WANTED TO GIVE KUDOS TO YOU.
UH, JEFF IS WITH RAPPAHANNOCK ELECTRIC AND HE DOES A LOT OF WORK TO MAKE THAT A VERY NICE LUNCHEON.
UH, HE GOES OUT AND GETS A LOT OF DOOR PRIZES.
UH, HE CAME IN WITH A TV AND IPAD AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL YOU DIDN'T HAVE, BUT, UH, AND HIS SENSE OF HUMOR.
SO, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IT WAS A VERY NICE LUNCHEON, BUT, UM, A LOT, UH, DIDN'T HAVE AS MANY TEACHERS THERE THIS YEAR ON NEW TEACHERS, BUT, UH, STILL A NICE GROUP.
AND I THINK THEY ALL APPRECIATED THE LUNCHEON, UM, DELL, THE, THE, THE, THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE, WHICH MEETS DOES IT MEET TY, I'M LOSING TRACK AND WE MEET ONCE A WEEK OR ONCE A MONTH.
AND, UM, ALL OF THESE MEETINGS KIND OF BLEND, BUT THAT ONE IS, UH, A REALLY GOOD MEETING.
UH, IT'S COMBINATION OF V DOT, UH, RAPPAHANNOCK ELECTRIC SENDS A REPRESENTATIVE.
UH, THE TOWNSEND'S REPRESENTATIVES ARE BACK AT THE TABLE AGAIN, WHICH IS NICE TO SEE, AND EVERYBODY WORKING TOGETHER TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON IN AND AROUND WARREN COUNTY, WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT AND NEW PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING.
SO IT'S JUST A REALLY GOOD MEETING TO GO TO, TO, TO KEEP IN THE KNOW OF WHAT'S GOING ON.
WHAT'S NEW ON THE HORIZON FOR WARRANT FRONT ROW, AND WARREN COUNTY ALSO ATTENDED, UH, THE 27TH WAS A BUSY DAY FIRE CHIEF'S MEETING, WHICH COMPANY ATE OUT AT FORT SMITH, UM,
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IN YOUR DISTRICT MRS. COOK, UM, UH, HOSTED.AND THAT'S A MEETING WHERE ALL THE VOLUNTEER CHIEFS GET TOGETHER.
UH, WE HAVE A MEETING EVERY THREE MONTHS AND I'M ON THAT COMMITTEE.
AND WHEN I FIRST GOT ON THAT COMMITTEE, THERE WAS LACK THE LACK OF COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE STATIONS.
IT WAS JUST LIKE GOING TO, UM, UH, CLASS BEING INSTRUCTED AND YOU WALK OUT AND YOU GO HOME.
NOW, THE COMRADERY, THE COMMUNICATION, THE CONVERSATIONS ON WHERE WE ARE, WHERE WE HOPE TO GET, HOW WE NEED TO DO THAT.
EVERYBODY'S ISSUES AND CONCERNS.
THE COMMUNICATION IS IT'S JUST, I AM SO HAPPY TO SEE IT, UM, FROM WHERE IT STARTED TO WHERE WE'RE HEADED AND LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THAT.
THEY'RE NOT WANTS THEIR NEEDS AND THE FIRE AND RESCUE COMMUNITY.
UM, AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT BECAUSE EVEN IF WE HAD AN ENDLESS POT OF MONEY, GETTING THE EQUIPMENT NEEDED IS, UM, IS A STRUGGLE RIGHT NOW.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO WORK ALL THIS OUT AND PROVIDE THE BEST SERVICE WE CAN FOR THE COMMUNITY.
UH, THEN I ATTENDED THE CONTRACTORS MEETING AND, UM, WORKING WITH THEM AND TALKING WITH THEM ABOUT THE PROBLEMS THEY'RE HAVING AND TRYING TO FIND SOLUTIONS.
UM, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THEM TO MAKE THINGS BETTER ON THEIR HORIZON AS WELL.
AND AGAIN, JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY ABOUT NATIONAL NIGHT OUT TONIGHT.
UM, THEY'RE HAPPENING ALL OVER.
I THINK FREDERICK, COUNTY'S HAVING TWO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.
SO THEY, AND, UM, I THINK DON'T, THEY USUALLY HAVE A BAND AS WELL.
SO IT'S NOT ONLY JUST BOOTHS IT'S, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'D PROBABLY BE FOOD AND, UM, MUSIC, AND IT'S, IT'S JUST A REALLY NICE THING.
AND OF COURSE I'M FROM A LAW ENFORCEMENT FAMILY.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO SUPPORT OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT AS BEST WE CAN.
SO HOPE TO SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE TONIGHT.
MA'AM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE THAT MEETS EACH MONTH, UH, THAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO IS INTENDED TO BRING RAPPAHANNOCK ELECTRIC V DOT UTILITIES, COUN TOWN AND COUNTY STAFF, PEOPLE TO TALK ABOUT DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS AND WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH EACH OF THESE PROJECTS AND THAT, UH, IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN ABOUT HOW THESE PROJECTS ARE PURSUING AND WHAT, UH, WE'RE WORKING ON THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY ON THESE VARIOUS PROJECTS.
UH, AND WHEN COURAGE, ANY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS WHO WANT TO ATTEND OR ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTS TO ATTEND FOR THAT PURPOSE, UH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LIMIT THE AGENDA ON THESE THINGS, TO THESE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS AND NOT GO OFF ON OTHER TANGENTS AT THESE MEETINGS, AS YOU OBSERVED LAST WEEK, WE'RE GOING TO BE CORRECTING THAT.
UM, JUST SORT OF WHAT YOU SAW LAST WEEK IS GOING TO BE OUT OF THE ORDINARY RATHER THAN USUAL.
UH, THE SENIOR CENTER IS PROGRESSING AND YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT IN THE WORK SESSION.
AND ONE OF THE IMPORTANT REASONS FOR MOVING THE SENIOR CENTER OVER TO THE HUMAN SERVICES COMPLEX ON 15TH STREET IS TO IMPROVE THE COORDINATION THAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO WITH, UH, OUR PROGRAMS, THAT SOCIAL SERVICES.
NOW THERE'LL BE JUST DOWN THE HALL AND ABLE TO WORK TOGETHER, EVEN CLOSER FOR THE WORK SESSION.
NEXT WEEK, I HAVE HEARD TALK ABOUT THE SCHOOL CAPITAL PROGRAM AND THE MOU FOR OPERATIONS AND FUNDING.
AND I HEARD THE, AND YOU HAVE RECEIVED THE REQUEST FROM, UH, THE NEW SHENANDOAH FARM SANITARY DISTRICT TO, UM, MOVE AWAY FROM THE OLD OAK PROJECT AND DISCONTINUE THAT.
AND WE EITHER NEED TO, UH, CONTINUE FISHING OR WE NEED TO CUT BAIT AND WHATEVER.
SO WE'RE GOING TO PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA TO REINFORCE WHERE WE'RE AT AND WHAT WE'RE DOING, AND TO MAKE SURE THAT'S THE DIRECTION THE BOARD WANTS US TO BE.
AND, UH, WE WILL ALSO BE TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, FIRE AND RESCUE CERTIFICATION
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PROGRAM AND HOW THAT CERTIFICATION WORKS WITH COMPENSATION.AND THEN WE HAVE THE, UH, EDA REQUEST.
THEY FEEL THAT THEY SHOULD BE COMPENSATED EVERY MONTH FOR COMING TO THEIR MEETINGS.
SO WE'LL PUT THAT ON FOR THEIR PRESENTATION, NO COMMENT.
UM, WE ARE, UH, ABOUT CUSTOMER SERVICE IN WARREN COUNTY.
AND IF YOU SEE SOMETHING, YOU SHOULD SAY SOMETHING.
I WAS OUT AT THE, UH, 5 22, A RECYCLING AND CONVENIENCE CENTER TWO WEEKS AGO, SATURDAY.
AND I WATCHED AS THE, UH, LITTLE OLD LADY FROM PASADENA DROVE UP THERE AND THE ATTENDANT LOOKED IN THE WINDOW AND SPOKE TO HER, OPENED THE TRUNK, TOOK OUT THE TRASH AND DUMPED IT FOR HER.
AND I THOUGHT FOR A MINUTE, MAYBE HE JUST KNEW THE LITTLE OLD LADY FROM PASADENA, BUT NO, THE NEXT CAR THAT CAME UP, HE DID THE EXACT SAME THING, BLESS HIS HEART.
AND, UH, ERNIE TUGMAN WAS UP THERE WORKING THAT AFTERNOON, JUST DOING AN AWESOME DEMONSTRATION, UM, CUSTOMER SERVICE.
AND I WAS TALKING TO HIM ABOUT IT AND HE SAID, WELL, ISN'T THAT WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO, HELP THE PEOPLE.
AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, ERNIE TUGMAN ALSO IS A GOLFER AND ENJOYS THAT.
SO WE'RE GOING TO SEND HIM OUT TO THE FRONT ROYAL GOLF COURSE ON ME, NOT ON THE COUNTY, SORT OF LET YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY'S NOT PAYING FOR THAT.
AND TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC WORKS, UH, MRS. LOGAN BACK THERE TALKED WITH MR. BARRY AND MR. KOHLFELD LAST WEEK ABOUT, UH, OUR OWN BUILDING, OUR OWN FLAGSHIP HERE AND WHAT NEEDED TO BE DONE HERE.
AND THEY HAVE BEEN ALL OVER IT THIS WEEK.
THEY'D BEEN OUT THERE EVERY MORNING, NATE, O'CLOCK, THEY'RE ALREADY OUT THERE WORKING AWAY AND IT'S LOOKING MUCH, MUCH BETTER.
AND THERE'S A WHOLE CREW OF THEM THAT'S BEEN IN AND OUT.
DIFFERENT PEOPLE BOUGHT A WANNA COMMEND, UH, THE ENTIRE PUBLIC WORKS CREW FOR, UH, AND TALKING TO THEM.
THEY WERE ALL INTERESTED IN THOUGHT IT OUGHT TO LOOK BETTER THAN IT DOES CAUSE THAT'S OUR HOME.
AND WE APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH.
DAILY, ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT I HEARD COREY CHILDS TALK ABOUT WAS THE MASTER GARDENER PROGRAM.
AND IN THE PAST, UM, THAT ORGANIZATION HAS VOLUNTEERED TO DO LANDSCAPING BEAUTIFICATION IN AND AROUND THE AREA.
AND I KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT LIKE SCHOOL, UH, CONCERNS ABOUT LANDSCAPING AND THE ABILITY TO TREAT THAT.
AND I WAS WONDERING IF THERE WAS SOME WAY THAT WE COULD COLLABORATE WITH THEM AND PERHAPS ASK IF THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO DO SOME BEAUTIFICATION PROJECTS AT OUR SCHOOLS OR AT OTHER BUILDINGS WHERE WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE STAFF AND THE KNOWLEDGE TO DO THE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE TO BEAUTIFY THEY OUTSIDE.
DALE ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY, TALKED WITH, UM, ONE OF THE LADIES AT ONE OF THE BOOTHS.
AND SHE SAID SHE HAD REACHED OUT.
THEY WOULD LOVE TO DO THAT, BUT SHE HAD ALREADY REACHED OUT TO THE SCHOOLS.
NOBODY HAD GOTTEN BACK WITH HER AT THE TIME OF OUR CONVERSATION.
SHE GAVE ME A PAMPHLET WITH THEIR NAME ON IT.
I CAN'T FIND IT, BUT I THINK WE HAVE AGREED THAT WE KNOW SOMEONE THAT'S ON ONE OF THE GARDENING AND I'M GOING TO REACH OUT TO HER TO SEE IF WE CAN GET THAT AT LEAST A CONVERSATION ON IT GOING.
CAUSE I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA.
WHY NOT GO TO THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE TO, TO DO THOSE THINGS BECAUSE THERE ARE BUSHES THAT LOOK LIKE THEY NEED SOME ASSISTANCE, BUT I WOULDN'T KNOW HOW TO TREAT THEM.
SO IF WE COULD UTILIZE THOSE GROUPS, I THINK THAT WE COULD SAVE THE COUNTY MONEY AND MAKE THINGS LOOK MORE BEAUTIFUL.
AND THANK THOSE WONDERFUL PEOPLE WHO WANT TO MAKE OUR COMMUNITY A PRETTIER PLACE TO LIVE.
YOU ASKED ABOUT THE FOUR H CENTER ALSO EARLIER.
MA'AM ONE OF THE, IN MY OTHER ACTIVITIES WE HAVE IN SEPTEMBER, WE WILL HAVE A WEEKEND.
WHAT WE CALL THE KIWANIS FAMILY WEEKEND AND WE WILL HAVE, UH,
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ADULTS AND TEENAGERS FROM, UH, WEST VIRGINIA, VIRGINIA, MARYLAND, DELAWARE, AND DC, ALL COMING OVER TO THE FOUR EIGHT CENTER FOR THE WEEKEND.IT'S ONE OF THE EVENTS THAT WE'RE ABLE TO HOST UP THERE ON THE HILL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF NOT, WE'RE DOWN TO APPROVAL
[I. Approval of Minutes]
OF MINUTES.ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS, ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS, IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED BY THE CHAIR? IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND ROLL CALL, MRS. SHIRAKI MRS. OATS.
[J. Resolution in Support of US Bike Route 211 – Joe Petty]
IN SUPPORT OF US BIKE, ROUTE TWO 11, MR. PETTY.MADAM CHAIR FORD BACK AGAIN, A US BIKE, ROUTE TWO 11.
UM, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS A COUPLE OF TIMES.
UM, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE THE MOST UP-TO-DATE, UH, RESOLUTION HERE IN FRONT OF YOU MADE SOME CHANGES, UH, FOR CHILD WAS OUT SOME LAST WEEK WHEN, WHEN EMILY REQUESTED THESE, I GOT IT TO HER A LITTLE LATE, BUT, UM, IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT, THE MOST RECENT VERSION AND, UH, BULLET THREE, WE'VE REMOVED V.AS ONE OF THE PROPOSED ORGANIZATIONS.
BUT SINCE OUR LAST DISCUSSIONS, WE'VE BEEN LOOKING INTO SOME OF THE LIABILITY QUESTIONS WE'VE BEEN TALKING WITH VIDOT ABOUT SIGNAGE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, AND SO AS I SPOKE WITH MR. CARTER IN THE HALL, I ALSO HAD AN EMAIL EXCHANGE WITH HIM PRIOR TO ABOUT, UM, SOME JUST SIMPLE SHARE THE ROAD SIGNAGE IN THE INTERIM.
UH, IF THIS WERE TO BE APPROVED IN THIS BIKE ROUTE WHERE TO HAPPEN, UM, BECAUSE SIGNAGE CAN BE DONE, THAT WOULD DESIGNATE IT, BUT THERE HAS TO BE FUNDING AVAILABLE AND SUCH.
SO IN THE INTERIM COULD JUST THE V DOT STANDARD SHARE THE ROAD SIGNS TO BE APPLIED.
AND UNFORTUNATELY LOOKING AND WITH TRAFFIC ENGINEERING, THE SIGNS REALLY DON'T MEET THEIR CRITERIA FOR THAT.
UM, BECAUSE THEY ARE IN THAT SECONDARY ROAD SYSTEM.
UM, AND SOME OF THE CONCERNS HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP BY THIS BOARD, SOME OF THE TURNS AND NARROW ROADS AND NO SHOULDER.
SO THEY DO HAVE A CRITERIA WHERE THEY WILL PUT THOSE.
SO, BUT THEY WERE SUPPORTIVE OF IF THE BIKE ROUTE WERE TO HAPPEN, PUTTING THOSE SIGNAGE, PUTTING THE SIGNAGE OUT FOR THE BIKE ROUTE ITSELF, BUT THEIR SHARE THE ROAD SIGNS WOULD NOT QUALIFY.
UM, I'D ALSO REACHED OUT TO BOTH CAITLIN AND MR. HAM, UH, ABOUT THE LIABILITY SIDE OF THINGS BECAUSE THAT'S THEIR EXPERTISE, NOT MINE.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, CAITLIN WAS, WAS KIND OF, SHE, SHE PROVIDED ME WITH SOME DOCUMENTATION, UM, FROM THE STATE CODE.
AND THEN ALSO THERE WERE SOME ALSO DOCUMENTATION FROM THE U S BIKE ROUTE FOLKS.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, AND FACE, IT SOUNDS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THERE, WE WOULD BE COVERED.
OBVIOUSLY SOMEBODY CAN ALWAYS SUE THE COUNTY, BUT, UM, PER STATE CODE AND THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST, UM, WE WOULD BE COVERED.
BUT OBVIOUSLY I THINK ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT LIABILITY, I WOULD DIRECT TOWARDS OUR LEGAL STAFF ABOUT HOW THE COUNTY WOULD BE COVERED IN THIS INSTANCE, IF THE RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT WERE TO BE APPROVED.
BUT, UM, AGAIN, OTHER THAN THAT, IF YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON SOME OF THESE AMENDMENTS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE.
I WOULD SAY EVERY JURISDICTION HAS APPROVED IT AT THIS TIME, EXCEPT FOR GUSTA COUNTY, I THINK IS THE LAST.
THEY, THEY DIDN'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ACTUALLY VOTED, BUT THEY JUST DECIDED THEY WOULD NOT SUPPORT THE RESOLUTION.
AND SO THEY ARE THE ONLY OTHER JURISDICTION THAT HAS NOT SIGNED OFF AT THIS POINT.
BUT AGAIN, IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, WHERE ARE THEY IN RELATION TO HERE ARE THE RARE, THAT'S THE FURTHEST SOUTH JURISDICTION.
UM, AND IN TALKING WITH, UH, DIFFERENT GROUPS, UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S AN ALL OR NOTHING KIND OF THING.
I THINK THAT IF WARREN COUNTY WERE TO SUPPORT THE RESOLUTION, UM, THEY WOULD GO BACK TO THAT COUNTY AND TRY AND SEE IF THERE WAS ANYTHING THAT THEY CAN DO TO ASSIST THAT ONCE THEY GET ALL THE JURISDICTIONS ALONG THE ROUTE SUPPORT, THAT'S WHEN THEY WOULD GO TO V.TO SEE ABOUT DUCKS, DESIGNATING IT AS A BIKE ROUTE, DO WE KNEW, DO WE KNOW WHY THEY'RE NOT ACCEPTING THEIR RESOLUTION? WHAT ARE THEY THE SAME TYPE OF ISSUES? THEY HAVE
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A LOT.THEY HAVE THERE IT'S A VERY RURAL COUNTY.
UM, I THINK THEY HAD SOME SAFETY CONCERNS.
UM, AND I HAVEN'T LIKE REVIEWED THE MINUTES OR LOOKED INTO IT IN DEPTH OF, OF THEIR REASONING BEHIND IT.
I KNOW THAT BIKE TOURISM IS BIG DOWN THERE.
UM, THEY HAVE A LOT OF MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAILS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
OFF-ROAD UM, BUT I JUST THINK AT THIS TIME, MAYBE IT'S THE ROUTE ITSELF.
THEY JUST FELT THAT IT WAS JUST AN UNSAFE, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT DETAILS OF THEIR REASONING BEHIND.
I JUST KNOW THAT IT HASN'T HAPPENED.
SO YOU WERE SAYING EARLIER ABOUT THE DIFFERENT AMENDMENTS THAT WE HAVE.
SO YOU WERE SAYING THE ONE THAT THE MOST CURRENT ONE DOES NOT HAVE V DOT.
UM, AND SO NUMBER THREE, THE THIRD ONE DOWN, IT SAYS THE ADVENTURE CYCLING ASSOCIATION, SHENANDOAH VALLEY BIKE COALITION, UH, IT MAY SAY VIETA, LET'S SEE, NEVER LAST ONE SAYS VEDA WE'LL REVIEW AND INVESTIGATE ANY OUTSTANDING CONCERNS.
UH, SO ALL THOSE ARE STILL IN IT.
IT'S THE NUMBER, THE THIRD ONE DOWN, IT SAYS WITH COOPERATION OF V DOT.
IF YOUR COPY SAYS THAT WE'VE REMOVED THAT PER V DOT'S COMMENT, ESSENTIALLY IT'S THESE THREE GROUPS THAT ARE SUGGESTING IT, AND THEN IT WOULD GO TO BEAT OUT.
SO THEY SAID IT SHOULDN'T BE REMOVING THAT PORTION.
SO EVERYTHING ELSE THAT YOU HAVE, THE VITA WILL REVIEW, THAT'S ALL STILL IN THERE.
IT WAS JUST THAT THIRD ONE DOWN WE'VE REMOVED VIDOT FROM THAT SENTENCE PER THEIR REQUEST.
SO I JUST, SO I UNDERSTAND, SO THE SIGNAGE FOR SHARING THE BIKE ROUTE, IT DOES NOT QUALIFY IS CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT? SO IF YOU DRIVE AROUND, YOU'LL SEE THE BIG YELLOW SIGNS THAT'LL HAVE A BICYCLE ON IT.
AND BELOW IT, IT'LL SAY, SHARE THE ROAD.
UM, THAT'S A V DOT STANDARD SIGN, THEIR OWN HAPPY CREEK, 5 22 VARIOUS PLACES AROUND WARREN COUNTY.
UM, MOST TIME THOSE ARE ON LIKE PRIMARY ROUTES.
SO WHEN I ASKED IN THE INTERIM, BEFORE WE COULD GET THE FUNDING FOR A DESIGNATED SIGN, COULD WE JUST HAVE THOSE GENERAL STANDARD FEED OUT SIGNS FOR THEM? AND AGAIN, THEY HAVE A CRITERIA WHERE THEY WILL PUT THOSE SIGNS.
SO THE SECONDARY ROAD THAT IS NARROW AND THE TURN, SO THEY WOULDN'T RECOMMEND PUTTING THOSE SIGNS ON THIS ROUTE, BUT AGAIN, YOU WILL SEE THEM THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.
THERE'S BIG YELLOW ONES, BUT IF THE BIKE ROUTE WERE TO BE APPROVED, VISA GOES THROUGH AND THEY HAVE A SPECIFIC SIGN FOR THE U S BIKE ROUTES.
THEY SUPPORT PUTTING THOSE SIGNS UP, UM, AS THE ROUTES DESIGNATED, BUT THEIR GENERAL SHARE THE ROAD AS BIG YELLOW ONES, THEY WOULD NOT PUT UP.
IS THAT BECAUSE THEY ON THIS BE BLUNT, IS THAT BECAUSE THEY FEEL THAT THOSE TYPE OF ROADS, SOME OF THE ROUTES IS NOT SAFE TO PUT A SIGNAGE THERE? OR IS IT JUST BECAUSE IT'S A SECONDARY ROAD AND THERE'S SOME KIND OF REGULATION IN THE CODE THAT SAYS THEY CAN'T, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF MR. CARTER TO SAY THAT IT'S UNSAFE.
I MEAN, HIS EMAIL JUST SAYS THAT, UM, THERE ARE MOSTLY NARROW SECONDARY ROADS WITH UNFAVORABLE, UH, GEOMETRICS AND LITTLE TO NO SHOULDERS.
SO WE ADVISE AGAINST THIS AT THIS TIME, BUT IT DOESN'T SAY, BUT THEY APPROVE SIGNAGE, WARNING, MOTORISTS OF BICYCLISTS PRESENCE.
SO IT'S KIND OF A, WE DON'T APPROVE OF THAT SIGN, BUT WE APPROVE OF OTHER SIGNS.
CAUSE THEY TOO THOUGH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE TWO DIFFERENT MESSAGES IF YOU WILL.
SO, UH, GO INTO THE LIABILITY LIABILITY PART.
UM, ALL THE DOCUMENTS THAT I'VE READ WERE ALL LIKE WHAT I'M CALLING WHITE PAPERS.
THEY WERE WRITTEN BY ASSOCIATION BICYCLISTS AND THAT KIND OF THING, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THEIR, THEIR VIEWPOINT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF JASON OR KATELYN, IF YOU, YOU KNOW, DID A LITTLE BIT OF A DEEP DIVE IN THAT.
I MEAN, AND WHEN I'M SAYING LIABILITY, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IF WE DESIGNATE THIS AS THE BIKE ROUTE, RIGHT.
AND THEN SOMETHING HAPPENS, YOU BLOW UP, LORD, I PRAY NOTHING WOULD HAPPEN, BUT SOMEHOW SOMEONE GOT INJURED WITH, AND TO YOUR POINT, EVERYBODY CAN SUE ANYBODY.
BUT WOULD THERE BE ANY STANDING, YOU KNOW, THAT HERE, THE COUNTY SAID, YEAH, THIS IS A SAFE BIKE ROUTE.
AND IT'S EVEN SAYS IN A RESOLUTION THAT IT SAYS THAT WE HAVE AS A BOARD, UM, WHAT'S THE WORDS THAT WE USE, WHERE WAS IT THE BEST ALTERNATIVE? SO IF SOMETHING HAPPENS, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH THE, WITH THE CASE, HAVE ANY STANDING,
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I GUESS THIS IS MY QUESTION.SO THE ISSUE IS ONE OF SOVEREIGN IMMUNITY AND, UM, THE COUNTY GENERALLY HAVE SOVEREIGN IMMUNITY AND I'VE WRITTEN AN ARTICLE ABOUT SOVEREIGN IMMUNITY AND I'VE HAD THREE BIG, PRETTY BIG CASES ON IT.
SOVEREIGN IMMUNITY MEANS IMMUNITY FROM THE KING.
THAT'S THE ORIGINAL SOURCE OF THIS.
AND OF COURSE, IF YOU'RE THE KING AND YOU MAKE ALL LAW, WHILE YOU CAN'T VIOLATE IT, NOW, OF COURSE THAT'S OFFENSIVE TO OUR CURRENT, YOU KNOW, DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED EVERYBODY.
AND I THINK IT'S AN OLD RELIC SHOULD BE TOSSED OUT, BUT IT STILL EXISTS.
AND SO USING THE ANALOGY OF KINGDOM UNITY, THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF IMMUNITY GOES TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IN CHARGE OF THE COUNTY.
LOWEST, LOWEST LEVEL OF IMMUNITY WOULD BE, UH, AN EMPLOYEE IN CHARGE OF FIXING SOMETHING SOMEWHERE WHO DIDN'T HAVE JUDGMENT OR DISCRETION.
THEY WERE JUST SUPPOSED TO DO X.
SO THIS BOARD HAS THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF IMMUNITY.
THERE'S A STATUTE ON RECREATIONAL USES THAT SPECIFICALLY ALLOWS FOR SOVEREIGN IMMUNITY, UM, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF, UH, GROSS NEGLIGENCE.
AND THAT IS A VERY HIGH STANDARD TO GROSS NEGLIGENCE.
SO THE LAW SCHOOL EXAMPLE OF GROSS NEGLIGENCE IS FIRING A GUN INTO A TENT, NOT KNOWING IF IT'S OCCUPIED OR, UM, YOU KNOW, THE THERE'S ANOTHER LEGAL DEFINITION FOR DRIVING IS DRIVING WITH A BAC DOUBLE BAT OF THAT IS ALLOWED.
SO, UM, THOUGH, SO BASICALLY, YEAH, ANYBODY CAN SUE YOU FOR ANYTHING, BUT BOY THAT, YOU KNOW, NOBODY, MY FIRM WOULD EVER TOUCH THAT CASE WITH 10 FOOT POLE BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THE PLAINTIFF'S LAWYER GETS PAID ON A CONTINGENCY FEE AND THEY DON'T GET PAID IF THEY LOSE AND TO GO AFTER A TAXPAYER FUNDED DEFENDANT WHO ALSO HAS INSURANCE.
AND SO YEAH, ANYBODY CAN SUE ANYBODY FOR ANYTHING.
THE QUESTION I ASKED JOE WAS, YOU KNOW, IS THERE SOME, YOU WOULD NEED THE MOST INCREDIBLY EXTREME FACTS TO HAVE A PRAYER OF WINNING.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE PEOPLE HAVE NOT DIED ON THIS ROAD, HIT BY CARS, RIGHT.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, AND I UNDERSTAND MR. CARTER'S VIEW ABOUT THE LOW SHOULDERS AND, YOU KNOW, I'M A BICYCLIST MYSELF.
I TRY TO AVOID ROADS WITH DON'T HAVE SHOULDERS.
UM, BUT YEAH, THE LIABILITY QUESTION IS, IS YOU'RE PRETTY SECURE ON THAT.
I JUST WANT TO ADD, THERE'S A LOT OF LOW SHOULDERS ON THIS ROUTE.
I'LL, I'LL MAKE, I'LL MAKE A COMMENT.
I, SO I WROTE OUT THERE YESTERDAY, I TOOK MY BIKE OUT AND I RODE AND I DIDN'T DO ALL OF THE ROUTE.
MOST OF IT JUST, YOU KNOW, FAMILIARIZE MYSELF WITH IT AGAIN.
AND A LOT OF TIMES WHEN I'LL ARRIVE THAT WAY I WILL COME BACK.
I'LL POP OUT SOMETIMES ON I'M KENRICK AND I'LL END UP ON CHARLOTTE'S BERG ROAD AND I'LL HEAD BACK INTO TOWN.
AND STRAUSBERG ROAD HAS A LOT OF TRAFFIC.
I TRY NOT TO BE ON THERE VERY OFTEN, BUT IT HAS A KIND OF GENEROUS SHOULDER.
THAT'S BEEN KIND OF NICE THAT YOU CAN RIDE IN.
AND, BUT UNFORTUNATELY BEAT OUT, WENT THROUGH AND PUT RUMBLE STRIPS IN IT LIKE LAST WEEK.
AND SO NOW I'M FORCED TO RIDE IN THE ROAD AND I WAS TRYING TO AVOID THAT.
AND SO YESTERDAY I WAS IN THE LANE OF TRAFFIC WHERE NORMALLY I WOULD NOT BE, AND IT'S SIMILAR TO 5 22 ON REMOUNT ROAD WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT THE 80, IT HAS A GENEROUS SHOULDER, BUT YOU CAN'T RIDE A BIKE IN IT BECAUSE IT HAS RUMBLE STRIPS.
SO THEN YOU'RE FORCED INTO THE LANE OF TRAFFIC.
AND SO THAT MAKES IT TO ME, UH, NOT FAVORABLE FOR ME TO WANT TO RIDE ON IT, BUT THEN ALSO IT PUTS, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENT MODES OF TRANSPORTATION AND PROBABLY ON, SO NOW YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE WHO WILL DEFINITELY WANT TO STAY OFF OF CHARLOTTE'S BIRD ROAD, BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE FORCED TO RIDE IN THE ROAD THE WHOLE TIME, RIGHT.
AND WHAT'S THAT, OR THE RIDE IN THE ROAD.
WELL, THAT'S, I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU HAVE TO, AT THIS POINT, SO, YOU KNOW, THERE THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING.
AND I THINK, UM, THE LIVE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN INHERENT RISK.
YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS TRYING TO THINK ABOUT IS I KNOW A QUESTION OF WITH THE BOARD APPROVED SOMETHING.
SO ONE THING THAT CAME TO MIND WAS WHEN I READ THE CODE, IT TALKS ABOUT TRAILS AND WATERWAYS AND THE COUNTY OBVIOUSLY PASSED THE RESOLUTION, WANTING TO BE DESIGNATED THE CANOE CAPITAL OF VIRGINIA.
AND THAT'S WHY YOU MAY NOT GET RUN OVER BY A CAR IN THE RIVER.
YOU KNOW, WE ARE PROMOTING PEOPLE TO COME HERE AND USE THE PUBLIC WATERWAYS, THE SHADOW RIVER.
AND OBVIOUSLY THERE'S AN INHERENT RISK BEING ON THAT RIVER.
SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO YOU, WE SUPPORT THESE THINGS, BUT YOU KNOW, THE USER ITSELF HAS SOME RESPONSIBILITY.
AND I THINK MOST OF THEM ACCEPT THAT RESPONSIBILITY WHEN YOU GO OUT ON THE ROAD.
BUT, UM, IF YOU, AGAIN, IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, UM, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM AT THIS TIME.
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IS THERE A MOTION I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DENIED THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT.SECOND IT ROLL CALL MRS. SHIRAKI MR. MABE.
ALRIGHT, MRS. COOK, MADAM CHAIR.
I, AND THE REASON I'M AN I IS I UNDERSTAND THAT WE MAY BE PROTECTED BY LIABILITY, BUT I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE IN GOOD, CONSCIOUS TO KNOW THAT I DIDN'T SANCTION SOME, I THINK, AND THIS IS A SAFE ROAD IN THAT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO RIDE IT.
IF THEY WANT TO RIDE IT JUST LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO CANOE THE RIVER WHEN THE RIVER'S UP AND THEY SHOULDN'T BE ON IT.
THOSE ARE PERSONAL CHOICES, BUT I, IT ALL COMES DOWN TO SAFETY AND I KNOW THOSE ROADS ARE NOT SAFE.
AND SO THERE'S MY REASON TO VOTE AGAINST THIS.
SO, UM, I, ON THE MOTION TO DENY, I ECHO THAT MRS. OATES, HI, I, I FEEL THE SAME WAY.
I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO ASSUME SAFETY WHERE THERE ISN'T ANY NO, AND HOPEFULLY THE RAIL-TRAIL COMES IN AND THEY CAN GIVE YOU THE RAIL TRAIL BECAUSE I THINK BIKING, UH, YOU KNOW, I LIVED ON MY BIKE AS A KID.
I'M NOT AGAINST THAT, BUT I JUST, CAN'T IN GOOD CONSCIENCE.
SAY, IT'S SAFE WHEN I KNOW IT'S NOT, HECK I DON'T KNOW.
AND I WOULD ADD JOE THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE RIDING ON GARDE HILL ROAD.
YOU KNOW, WHAT GARDOT ROAD IS LIKE.
IT IS VERY SIMILAR TO SOME OF THE ROADS THAT ARE BEING DESCRIBED HERE.
TURN SHARP TURNS, NO SHOULDERS AND PEOPLE ARE ON IT EVERY WEEKEND.
AND IT'S FRIGHTENING AS A MOTORIST TO COME UP AND GO, WHOA, YOU KNOW? UM, AND I THINK, OH MY GOODNESS, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY WHO'S YOUNG WHO DOESN'T HAVE THE EXPERIENCE DRIVING THAT I HAVE WOULD, YOU KNOW, MAYBE NOT UNDERSTAND HOW TO NAVIGATE THAT AND THAT IT FRIGHTENS ME EVERY TIME I SEE IT.
AND HOPEFULLY THE RAIL TRAIL GETS ON QUICK.
[K. Consent Agenda]
RIGHT.ARE THERE ANY ITEMS TO PULL FOR DISCUSSION? UH, YES.
ARE THERE ANY OTHERS TO PULL FOR DISCUSSION? IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT BEFORE YOU'RE GOING TO ACCEPT IT AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO VOTE ON IT ON THOSE TWO ITEMS, THE REST OF THEM.
THAT MEANS THEY'RE GOING TO APPROVE THAT VOTE TO APPROVE THE REST OF WOULD ASK THAT YOU CONFIRM THE DATES OF THE PUBLIC HEARINGS OR 23RD, SIX O'CLOCK OR SEVEN O'CLOCK.
SO ALL OF THE PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT WE ARE AUTHORIZING FOR ADVERTISEMENT WILL BE ON SEPTEMBER 23RD, AUGUST 23RD.
THEY HAD FASTER THAN I DID JULY, AUGUST 23RD.
IT'S 6:00 PM INSTEAD OF SEVEN, 6:00 PM.
AND THE, UM, ONE FOR THE OUTDOOR RECREATION.
NUMBER 14, NUMBER 14, THE
SO THE MOTION WOULD BE TO ACCEPT THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH ITEM TWO, FOUR, AND 14 REMOVED FOR DISCUSSION, AND THAT ALL THE PUBLIC HEARING DATES WILL BE AUGUST 23RD, 6:00 PM.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND ROW CALL MRS. SHIRAKI MRS. OATES.
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MRS. COOK ITEM NUMBER TWO.I THINK I PULLED THE WRONG ONE.
OH, WELL, UM, SO YOU LOOKING AT THE TRANSFER REQUESTS SHOULD HAVE BEEN K ONE.
WELL, AND SO DID I MESS THINGS UP? WELL, YOU COULD DO A MOTION TO RECONSIDER IF YOU WANT TO, OR YOU COULD JUST, UM, I THINK WE NEED A MOTION TO RECONSIDER THIS.
I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER AND THAT WELL OKAY.
AND YOU VOTED FOR THE CONSENTED YET OTHERWISE, RIGHT? YOU CAN DO THAT.
SO YEAH, I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER AND A CONSENT AGENDA ITEM K ONE IN LIEU OF, CAN I SAY IN LIEU OF K2? OH, LET'S JUST LEAVE IT TO THERE AND JUST LEAVE IT, LEAVE TO THERE.
IS THERE A SECOND TO MRS. COOK'S MOTION? I'LL SECOND THAT I THINK I UNDERSTAND IT.
REAL CALL MRS. SHIRAKI MR. MABE.
[K1. Transfers Request of Warren County Public Schools – Dr. Chris Ballenger]
MRS. COOPER.I APOLOGIZE FOR KIND OF MESSING THAT UP A LITTLE BIT.
I'M LOOKING AT THIS IS THE OPERATING FUND CATEGORY TRANSFER REQUEST FOR THE WARREN COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
UM, WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO BE REMOVING, UH, PROBABLY WHAT FOR 400,000, I THINK THE NUMBER OF ABOUT 47, 17,000 FROM INSTRUCTION AND THE CONTINGENCY RESERVE, AND WE ARE TRANSFERRING IT TO ADMINISTRATION O AND M DEPTH SERVICE AND TRANSFERS AND TECHNOLOGY.
SO ARE THESE, THESE TRANSFER AMOUNTS ARE THE RESULT OF OVEREXTENDING, THE, UM, THE, BUT THE PLAN BUDGET FOR THESE LINE ITEMS. SO ADMINISTRATION, ATTENDANCE, AND HEALTH, WE, UH, OVER EXPENDED THE PLAN BUDGET $325,000.
AND FIRST, UH, LET ME SAY, I'M NOT DR.
UM, TODAY'S AN EXCITING DAY FOR THE SCHOOLS.
IT'S OUR FIRST DAY BACK FOR ALL OF OUR TEACHERS AND ALSO DR.
BALLENGER IS OUT AMONGST THEM ALL DAY LONG TODAY.
SO HE, UH, ASKED ME TO, UH, PINCH IT FOR HIM.
AND, UH, I WILL TRY TO ANSWER THIS AS BEST I CAN.
UM, QUITE HONESTLY, THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE REQUEST WE HAD BEFORE YOU THE, THE OTHER MONTH AND TALKED ABOUT IT'S GOING BACK TO LAST YEAR'S BUDGET AND CLEANING SOME THINGS UP.
UH, WE'VE LEARNED A LOT IN THIS PROCESS OF, OF BUDGETING AND, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH YOUR COMMITTEE.
YOU KNOW, I THINK I KNOW WE WILL BE IN A MUCH BETTER POSITION NEXT YEAR AND SEE THESE THINGS COMING MUCH SOONER AND GET THEM TAKEN CARE OF BEFORE, INSTEAD OF AFTER THE FACT, UM, THE MAIN REASON FOR THE ADMINISTRATION, ATTENDANCE AND HEALTH GOING OVER IS WE HAD TWO POSITIONS IN INSTRUCTION THAT WE COMBINED INTO ONE POSITION AS ASSISTANT SUPERINTENDENT FOR INSTRUCTION.
AND THAT ALONG WITH AN ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT THAT WAS CREATED IN THAT DEPARTMENT ACTUALLY SAVED US MONEY IN SALARIES.
THE SAVINGS WAS IN INSTRUCTION, BUT THE ADDITIONAL COSTS BECAUSE OF THE CLASSIFICATION OF THE POSITION IS IN ADMINISTRATION, ATTENDANCE AND HEALTH.
SO THAT PUT US OVER IN THAT QUITE HONESTLY, WE SHOULD HAVE COME BACK AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR.
AND I ASKED FOR THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, I CAN MAKE ALL KINDS OF EXCUSES, BUT IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
AND, AND WE ACCEPT THAT AND WE HAVE LEARNED FROM THAT.
AND, UM, WE WON'T LET THIS HAPPEN AGAIN.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION WHEN YOU SAY TWO POSITIONS IN INSTRUCTION FOR THOSE TEACHERS? NO, IT WAS, IT WAS CENTRAL OFFICE POSITIONS.
IT WAS A DIRECTOR OF ELEMENTARY INSTRUCTION AND THE DIRECTOR OF SECONDARY INSTRUCTION.
UM, THE DIRECTOR OF ELEMENTARY INSTRUCTION ASKED TO BE TRANSFERRED TO AS A PRINCIPAL, TO ONE OF OUR SCHOOLS AND THE DIRECTOR OF SECONDARY INSTRUCTION.
THEN MOVE IN AS ASSISTANT SUPERINTENDENT FOR INSTRUCTION.
WE DIDN'T BACKFILL THE, EITHER OF THOSE POSITIONS, BUT THEN DID CREATE
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AN ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT TO SUPPORT THIS POSITION.AND ALSO THE, UH, OTHER ASSISTANT SUPERINTENDENT POSITION.
BUT THE NET EFFECT WAS A SAVINGS OF MONEY, WHICH WAS GOOD.
BUT AGAIN, IN THE WRONG, IN THE DIFFERENT CATEGORY, WHICH THREW US OVER AND IN THIS ONE, NOW THOSE SALARIES DON'T ADD UP TO THAT.
THERE ARE SOME OTHER MINOR ITEMS THAT, THAT COUPLED UP WITH THAT, UM, WHICH RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I DON'T RECALL EXACTLY THERE, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY A HUNDRED AND SOME LINES IN THAT BUDGET SOMEWHERE OVER SOME ARE UNDER.
AND, BUT THAT IS THE NET EFFECT.
THEN QUITE HONESTLY, I PROBABLY ASKED FOR A LITTLE BIT EXTRA IN THERE JUST IN CASE, UM, SOME EXPENSES COME IN AFTER THE FACT THAT GET ACCRUED BACK.
AND, UH, MY HOPE IS I DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK AND ASK YOU AGAIN, TO ADD A HUNDRED DOLLARS TO THAT LINE, TO BALANCE IT, BUT WE DID OUR BEST.
SO THIS MONEY JUST TO MAKE FOR ANYBODY THAT SEES THIS VIDEO AND THINKS THAT AGAIN, THE BONUSES ARE ANYWHERE IN JEOPARDY, THOSE HAVE BEEN PAID, THE BONUSES WERE PAID ON JUNE 30TH.
THEY WERE TAKING CARE OF YOUR ACTION ON THE 28TH.
I THINK IT WAS TO ALLOW US TO TRANSFER 125,000.
THAT'S BEEN DONE THAT MONEY HAS BEEN TAKEN CARE OF.
SO THAT'S TAKEN OUT OF THIS EQUATION.
THAT'S NOT A CONSIDERATION HERE.
SO TO SPEAK AND EXECUTED THAT, AND EVERYONE, EVERYONE HAS RECEIVED THEIRS.
AND WE HEARD A LOT OF APPRECIATION FROM, FROM THE, FROM THE STAFF FOR THAT AND YOUR SUPPORT OF IT.
SO I, I GUESS I'M STILL CONFUSED.
THOSE TWO POSITIONS WERE UNDER INSTRUCTION INSTEAD OF ADMINISTRATION, SINCE THEY WERE HERE.
WELL AT THE CENTRAL OFFICE THERE THEY'RE IN THE CATEGORY.
UH, INSTRUCTION HAS DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS WITHIN IT.
SO ONE OF THEM WOULD BE THE OFFICE OF THE PRINCIPAL.
SO THAT'S AN INSTRUCTION, BUT IT'S A SEPARATE CAT.
SO THERE'S ALSO ONE CALLED IMPROVEMENT OF INSTRUCTION.
AND THAT'S FOR FOLKS THAT WORK WITH TEACHERS, WORK WITH STAFF TO IMPROVE INSTRUCTION IN ANY WAY.
AND THAT'S WHAT THOSE TWO DIRECTORS POSITIONS WERE SEEN AS ONES THAT WORK WITH CURRICULUM ON A DAILY BASIS, WORK WITH TEACHERS WORK WITH, UH, THE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS TO IMPROVE INSTRUCTION.
BUT WHEN YOU GET TO AN ASSISTANT SUPERINTENDENT, THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION, WHICH GIVES US THE CODING STRUCTURE IS VERY SPECIFIC.
THOSE POSITIONS ARE CONSIDERED ADMINISTRATION, ATTENDANCE AND HEALTH, UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE REMOVED FROM THE DAY TO DAY IMPROVEMENT OF INSTRUCTION.
THAT'S MORE ON A, A GLOBAL BASIS, THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES.
WELL, THAT, THAT MAKES THAT MAKE MORE SENSE.
CAUSE I JUST, IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME WHY WE HAVE TO SHIFT MONEY FOR PEOPLE I THOUGHT WERE CONSIDERED AT MINISTRY.
AND, AND, AND YOU KNOW, OUR REPORTING TO THE STATE, WE HAVE TO DO AN ANNUAL SCHOOL REPORT, FINANCIAL REPORT.
THAT'S QUITE DETAILED, BUT IT'S VERY SPECIFIC, UH, WHERE THEY WANT US SO THAT EVERYBODY THROUGHOUT THE STATE IS REPORTING THEIR FUNDING AND THE WAY THEY SPEND THEIR MONEY, THE SAME.
SO WHEN THEY AGGREGATE IT, THEY CAN SAY, YES, HERE'S HOW MUCH IS SPENT ON THIS, THAT, AND WHATEVER ON A, SO YOU HAVE THE SUPERINTENDENT, THEN YOU HAVE MR. SMITH, WHO'S ASSISTANT SUPERINTENDENT, AND THEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER ASSISTANT SUPERINTENDENT THAT TOOK THOSE TWO POSITIONS.
THAT WAS MR. FOX WHO RETIRED, UM, WHEN JUNE 30TH, HE WAS THE ASSISTANT SUPERINTENDENT FOR INSTRUCTION PREVIOUSLY WAS THE, UH, DIRECTOR OF SECONDARY INSTRUCTION.
SO SOMEONE HAS BEEN HIRED IN THAT POSITION.
I THINK, UH, HOPEFULLY, MAYBE AT THE SCHOOL BOARD MEETING TOMORROW NIGHT.
UM, THEY WILL, WE'LL HIRE SOMEONE TO REPLACE MR. FOX WHO RETIRED.
SO THAT'S PART OF THE NEED TO GET THIS BECAUSE WITHOUT THIS, THERE'S NO WAY YES.
THERE IS BECAUSE WE, WE DID RECOGNIZE THAT.
SO BASICALLY YOU TOOK A POSITION THAT WAS NOT CONSIDERED ADMINISTRATIVE AND MADE IT ADMINISTRATIVE.
BASED ON THE GUIDANCE FROM THE STATE ON HOW YOU CLASSIFY THOSE POSITIONS, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S SPLITTING HAIRS TO ME.
IF THEY'RE STILL DOING THE SAME, I, THE STATE HAS A REAL FUNNY WAY OF REQUIRING HOW THEY CATEGORIZE THESE AND IT MAKES IT GO BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN WHAT HE'S GOT TO PUT IN HIS BUDGET.
WHAT MR. ROBERTSON HAS BACK THERE AS TO HOW WE CATEGORIZE HIM.
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JUST SAYING IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU JUST GAVE IT A DIFFERENT TITLE TO THE SAME JOB.AND IF IT WAS NOT CONSIDERED ADMINISTRATIVE BEFORE, HOW DO YOU MAKE IT ADMINISTRATIVE NOW? BUT THAT'S, WE'RE SPLITTING HAIRS THERE.
THIS IS, THIS IS, UH, OH, IT'S YOU GOT TO FIX THAT PROBLEM.
I'M PUTTING A LOT ON YOUR SHOULDERS JUST SAYING I HAD NOT GOT YOUR TELEPHONE NUMBER.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'M SORRY TO TAKE UP SO MUCH.
UM, SO FOR THE 75,000 FOR OWEN, IT OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE.
SO WHAT WAS THE CAUSE OF THAT? THE CAUSE PRIMARILY OF THAT WAS OUR CUSTODIAL SERVICES CONTRACT.
WE CONTRACT WITH A THIRD PARTY TO PROVIDE ALL THE CUSTODIAL SERVICES FOR OUR SCHOOLS, UM, AND ALSO THIS SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
UM, AND, UM, THERE WAS AN INCREASE IN THAT CONTRACT AND IT DIDN'T GET REFLECTED IN OUR BUDGET AND THAT WAS PART OF IT.
AND THEN THIS YEAR WE'VE HAD SOME ADDITIONAL EXPENSES IN ADDITION TO THE SERVICES WE CONTRACT FOR, UM, FOR CLEANINGS AND THINGS DUE TO THE, UM, UM, COVID SITUATION.
UM, PARTICULARLY EARLIER IN THE SCHOOL YEAR, WHEN IT WAS A LITTLE MORE PREVALENT, UM, WE HAD TO DO A LOT OF EXTRA CLEANINGS AND THINGS, WHICH ISN'T IN THEIR NORMAL CONTRACT AND HAD TO PAY FOR THOSE.
SO THAT BUMPED THAT IT QUITE HONESTLY, IT WENT OVER BY MORE THAN 75,000, BUT IN SOME OTHER AREAS WE SAVED MONEY.
SO THAT'S WHERE IT SORT OF WASHED OUT.
BUT THAT WOULD BE THE, THE MAIN DRIVER BEHIND THAT WHEN, AND THEN THE DEBT SERVICE AND TRANSFERS FOR $7,000.
UM, BECAUSE WE HAVE K YEAH, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, BUT IT'S SIMILAR.
UM, THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR IS BECAUSE OF, UM, WE PAY PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST ON A BOND THAT WAS ISSUED A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO FOR THE SCHOOLS, FOR THE RENOVATION OF, UH, RESI JEFFREY'S PART OF IT.
AND THE BANK CHARGES A SERVICE CHARGE FOR SERVICING THE BOND.
UM, THAT WAS NOT CALCULATED INTO OUR BUDGET REQUEST INITIALLY.
UM, THIS, THAT ONE PAYMENT IS THE ONLY ITEM IN THAT LINE, IN THAT, UH, CATEGORY OF THE BUDGET.
SO WHEN THAT ONE ITEM WENT OVER THERE, WASN'T ANYTHING ELSE TO OFFSET IT THAT WE COULD CUT BACK ON.
AND THEN LASTLY, THE $10,000 FOR TECHNOLOGY.
AGAIN, IT'S A, IT'S A, THAT'S A RATHER LARGE BUDGET.
UM, ONE THING THAT'S HAPPENED TO US, WE HAVE, UM, FIBER THAT CONNECTS ALL OF OUR SCHOOLS IN THE COUNTY THAT THE SCHOOLS ZONE THAT ARE OUT AT ATTACHED TO THE, UH, THE UTILITY POLES.
UH, WE HAVE TROUBLE WITH SQUIRRELS, UM, CHEWING THE FIBER AND BREAKING IT AND HAS PUT OUR, UH, SYSTEMS DOWN.
SO WE HAD TO DO SOME UNEXPECTED REPAIRS ON THEM, UM, WHERE WE'RE SEEING IN THE PAST, WE'VE GOTTEN REIMBURSED AT LEAST PARTIALLY BY THE INSURANCE, BY OUR INSURANCE CARRIER.
UM, THE CONCERN IS THAT IF THIS KEEPS HAPPENING ENOUGH, THEY MAY SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T REALLY SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE COVERING.
WE MAY, WE MAY GET A REIMBURSEMENT THAT WOULD OFFSET IT.
IN THAT CASE, WE WOULD HAVE HAD TO GOTTEN AN ADDITIONAL APPROPRIATION FROM YET TO RECEIVE AND SPEND THE MONEY THIS WAY.
WE'RE TRANSFERRING IT NOW, HOPEFULLY TO CLOSE OUT LAST YEAR AND, UH, MOVE ON TO BIGGER AND BETTER THINGS.
I UNDERSTAND THE SQUIRREL, THAT SHOE.
I HAVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH SQUIRRELS UP MY WAY.
I CAN'T EVEN, UM, I HAVE ONE RENTAL HOUSE UP.
CAN'T PUT ANYBODY IN CAUSE THEY CHEWED THE WATER LINES UP REPEATEDLY AND ATE ALL THE INSULATORS OFF MY ELECTRIC, UH, CATTLE FENCE.
SO I, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT DO YOU OWN THE FIBER? WHY IS THE COMPANY YOU OWN THE FIBER? YEAH, THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, WE USED TO PAY A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT AND I FORGET WHAT IT WAS, BUT TO BASICALLY LEASE IT FROM A THIRD PARTY, UM, AND THE SCHOOLS REALIZED WE COULD SAVE MONEY IN THE TERM BY HAVING THAT FIBER OURSELVES.
AND, UH, UH, I THINK MAYBE EVEN SHARE SOME OF THE STRANDS WITH THE TOWN OR SOME, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE COUNTY, I THINK PROBABLY TOO WELL.
I KNOW AT, UH, THE 15TH STREET FACILITY, AS PART OF THAT, THERE'S SO MANY, AND THEY'VE GONE FROM PETROLEUM BASED COVERAGE TO SOPHIE AND THEREAFTER.
THEY WILL HAVE TO COME BACK TO HAVE AN APPROPRIATION ANYWAYS.
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IF I THINK IF YOU DO APPROVE THIS, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE OKAY.IF THE MONEY COMES IN, WE'LL JUST ACCRUE IT BACK TO THIS YEAR AND IT'LL BECOME PART OF THE, OR, I MEAN THE LAST YEAR I'M GOING TO GET MY YEARS STRAIGHT HERE TO LAST YEAR AND IT WILL BE PART OF THE SURPLUS THEN THAT WOULD CARRY OVER.
IT WOULD BE ADDITIONAL REVENUE THAT WAY, EITHER WAY IT WOULD WORK.
BUT IF YOU'RE WILLING TO PROVE THIS, TO SEE THIS MORNING, THAT WOULD TAKE CARE OF THAT ISSUE.
YOU'RE YOUR WEAKNESSES AS FAR AS BUDGETING, HAVE YOU ACCOUNTED FOR THAT IN THE NEW BUDGET? OH YES.
I PROMISE YOU, YOU KNOW, HONESTLY, I DON'T WANT THIS, WE DON'T WANT TO SEE IT AGAIN, BUT I, I DIDN'T WANT TO SEE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE.
UM, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, WITH MATT HAS TALKED TO US ABOUT WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE ON A MONTHLY BASIS WITHIN 10 DAYS OF THE CLOSE OF THE MONTH, UM, A REPORT ON EACH CATEGORY, THEY GET A, WE OF A LUMP SUM.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS ON WHAT OUR EXPENDITURES ARE.
SO THEY WILL BE LOOKING AT EACH, I WILL BE GIVING THEM HOW IT'S ALL BROKEN OUT INTO WHICH CATEGORY.
SO WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER SET OF EYES LOOKING AT IT.
WE HAVE THE LIAISON COMMITTEE AND MY INTENT IS TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH THEM AS MANY EYES THAT CAN LOOK AT SOMETHING THE BETTER FOR ME, BECAUSE SOMEONE MAY SEE SOMETHING THAT I OVERLOOK OR WHATEVER.
BUT, UM, I, I LIKE HAVING A LOT OF EYES ON WHAT I'M SO THAT SOMEONE MAY SEE SOMETHING ELSE.
AND, UH, THE SOONER WE RECOGNIZE IT, THE EASIER IT IS TO FIX IT AND GET IT TAKEN CARE OF.
I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION THAT MAY NOT BE RELATED, BUT FROM THE, FROM THE INFORMATION THAT WE RECEIVED AT THE END OF THE YEAR, WHEN THE BUDGET'S BEEN, UH, THERE WERE NUMBERS BOUNCING AROUND ON VACANCIES.
WE'RE GETTING READY TO START SCHOOL.
HOW FAR ARE WE OFF VACANCY WISE OR DO YOU KNOW? CAUSE IF YOU DON'T KNOW, IT'S, UM, I'M GOING TO THROW A NUMBER OUT AND I KNOW THAT'S REALLY DANGEROUS, BUT IN OUR COMMITTEE IT WAS ASKED LAST NIGHT.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE STILL THERE WHEN, UM, MR. GOODWIN AND I, OUR, UH, HR OR HUMAN RESOURCE DIRECTOR CAME IN, I BELIEVE I HEARD HIM TELL THE SUPERINTENDENT THAT FROM A TEACHER STANDPOINT, WE'RE DOWN TO ABOUT EIGHT, WHICH IS, IS, IS BAD, BUT IT'S GOOD.
UM, COMPARED TO WHERE WE'VE BEEN AND, UH, COMPARED TO WHERE I HEAR OTHER FOLKS ARE AT THIS POINT, IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT GOOD TO BE SHORT ONE TEACHER, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT TO DO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO COVER THAT SOMEHOW, BUT THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE 15 THAT WERE IN THE, OH NO, NO, NO, WE, WE, SO IT'S 23.
IF THOSE 15 WERE INCLUSION, YOU KNOW, UNTIL WE GET OUR BUDGET MINUS TWO, MINUS TWO, THIS IS AN ALGEBRA PROBLEM TO STOP.
WHAT COLUMN ARE WE TAKING IN A HOLD OUT EVENTUALLY THE, THE, UM, THE BELLS SHOULD START THE RINGING OF THE BELLS.
OH, I HEARD IT AS I SAID, AS I MENTIONED, I HEARD IT A COUPLE OF TIMES YESTERDAY.
I HADN'T HEARD IT YET THIS MORNING, BUT I HAVEN'T BEEN THERE FOR TOO LONG THIS MORNING.
I'D LIKE TO HEAR IT EIGHT MORE TIMES AND THEN WE'LL BE GOOD.
SO THE HR DIRECTOR RINGS A BELL EVERY TIME THEY HIRE SOMEBODY.
YEAH, NO, NOBODY'S GETTING THEIR WINGS.
WELL, THE LAST THING I JUST WANTED TO, UM, UH, BECAUSE YOU ALREADY ANSWERED MY QUESTION WAS, YOU KNOW, GOING FORWARD IN OUR CORRECTIVE ACTION, SO THEY UNDERSTAND THE CORRECTIVE ACTION IS, IS THERE GOING TO BE MORE COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE SCHOOL BOARD, FINANCIAL DIRECTOR AND THE COUNTY FINANCE DIRECT FINANCIAL DIRECTIVE AND JUST REVIEWING THE NUMBERS MONTHLY, LOOKING AT PERFORMANCE AND, UM, WORKING TOGETHER TO PLAN AHEAD.
YES, THAT'S, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY TRUE.
AND I, I THINK OUR COMMITTEE, THE COMMITTEE THAT YOU SERVE, ONE CAN, CAN HELP AS AN EXTRA SET OF EYES TO LOOK AT THAT.
AND WHEN SOMETHING DOESN'T LOOK RIGHT, QUESTION IT, AND WELL, AND I, I THINK IS AS, AS IMPORTANT IS TO, UM, LEARN TO WORK WITHIN WHAT YOU HAVE, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S ONE THING TO SAY, OOPS.
AND WE ALL MISS, YOU KNOW, I'VE WENT THROUGH MY BILLS THE OTHER DAY TO MAKE SURE I PAID EVERYTHING.
UM, CAUSE IT, WHOOPS, MY HUSBAND DOESN'T ALWAYS BRING THEM IN.
AND, UM, BUT IT'S ALSO KNOWING THAT THIS IS YOUR DOLLAR AMOUNT.
AND JUST BECAUSE YOU'VE RUN OVER YEAR AFTER YEAR, WE GOT TO GET THAT IN LINE INSTEAD OF ASKING
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FOR FORGIVENESS, YOU KNOW, ON IT BECAUSE WELL, AND SOMETIMES THE PERMISSION JUST CAN'T AFFORD TO BE THERE.AND I, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE BOTTOM LINE IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PUSHING IT DOWN TO THE TAXPAYER AND EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT THIS ECONOMY IS.
AND IT'S SCARY BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW, WE KNOW WHAT IT IS TODAY.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE NEXT WEEK.
AND WE ALL HAVE TO WORK AS EFFICIENTLY AS WE CAN TO NOT BURDEN OVERBURDEN.
THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY BURNED ENOUGH AND WE ALL WANT GOOD TEACHERS.
WE ALL WANT THE STUDENTS TO GET THE BEST EDUCATION THAT WE CAN, BUT WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO IT ON A BUDGET MOST COST-EFFECTIVE WAY.
AND THAT'S NOT JUST FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD THAT IS FOR ALL COUNTY AS WELL.
SO I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK WE'RE PICKING ON YOU BECAUSE TRUST ME, WE'RE NOT.
CAN YOU TALK TO ANY OF THE PEOPLE ON THIS SIDE, THEY WILL TELL YOU I AM EQUAL OPPORTUNITY ON THIS.
SO, UM, AND UM, ALSO WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, THE CORRECTIVE ACTION AND NOT A NO MISS IF DR.
DALEY WANTS TO CHIME IN OR NOT, BUT DO WE NEED ANYTHING DOCUMENTED IN A PROCEDURE OR A PROCESS GOING FORWARD THAT, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE PARAGRAPHS AND WE BELIEVE THE INSTRUCTIONS WERE THE, WE COULD TAKE THIS BACK AND MAKE MODIFICATIONS.
ONE OF THEM IS GOING TO BE THAT THERE WOULD BE A MONTHLY STATUS REPORT ON THE CATEGORY.
THAT'S PROJECTION, WE'LL BE ADDING TO THIS OR
DALY'S HOLDING IS THE MOU THAT IS PROPOSED BY THE SCHOOL WITH THE COUNTY.
CAUSE HE SAID HE, NOBODY KNEW WHAT, RIGHT.
WE'RE GOING TO DO OUR MODIFICATIONS AND, AND THEN, UH, TRY TO MESH THE TWO TOGETHER.
SO MY QUESTION IS AT THIS POINT, THIS IS $417,553.
IF I DID MY MATH CORRECTLY, NOT KNOWING WHAT YOUR CARRY OVER IS, IS THIS GOING TO CUT INTO GENERAL FUNDS OR IS THERE CARRY OVER MONEY TO COVER THESE TRANSFERS? BECAUSE I HAVEN'T HEARD A NUMBER.
SO THESE TRAINS, THERE'S NO NEW MONEY.
THIS IS ALL EXISTING MONEY THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROPRIATED TO THE SCHOOLS LAST YEAR.
AND WHAT WE ARE DOING IS WITH THIS IS THEY'RE CLEANING UP THE CATEGORIES BECAUSE OF THE BOARD APPROPRIATED THE 64 MILLION INTO CATEGORIES.
AND THESE ARE THE INSTANCES WHERE CATEGORY A NI HAS S SURPLUS, PARTICULARLY INSTRUCTION.
WE HAD SO MANY VACANCIES LAST YEAR AND CATEGORY B HAS A DEFICIT AND WE'RE JUST MOVING IT FROM A TO B.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT ADDING ANY NEW MONEY.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS SUFFICIENT FUNDS TO DO THAT WITHOUT ANY ADDITIONAL FUNDS FROM ANY OTHER, UM, OTHER THAN THE SCHOOL CATEGORIES.
AND I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO SEE YOU IN A BAD SPOT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I HOPE WE GET TO WHERE WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS, THAT WE WORK WITHIN THOSE BUDGETS.
WELL, WE MAY IN, LET ME SAY THIS.
WE DID NOT GO OVER ON THE TOTAL BUDGET ON THE TOTAL APPROPRIATION TO, TO, YOU KNOW, ANY FEAR OF THAT.
NO, WE DID DEFINITELY DID NOT OVERSPEND THE TOTAL BUDGET.
DALEY MENTIONED, SOME CATEGORIES DID GO OVER AND ALL.
UM, I THINK THE KEY IS, UM, WE NEED TO COME IN ADVANCE.
IF WE SEE SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
AS SOON AS WE SEE IT HAPPEN, WE NEED TO BRING IT TO YOU.
AND THEN AS, AS YOU MENTIONED, IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE ABLE TO BE TAKEN CARE OF IF IT'S NOT BEING ABLE TO TAKEN CARE OF, THEN THAT'S SOMETHING WE, YOU KNOW, WE GO ON AND WE, WE FIGURE OUT OTHER WAYS OF DOING IT OR GETTING BY WITHOUT IT.
UM, IF YOU DO APPROVE IT, THEN WE'RE GOOD.
AND WE DON'T HAVE TO COME AFTER THE FACT AND ASK FOR IT.
BUT I THINK WHAT PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE IS WHAT YOU HAVE LEFT OVER.
WE DON'T JUST INTEND TO BRING IT BACK, PUT IT IN AND SPEND IT ON OTHER COUNTY THINGS.
WE WANT TO HAVE A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT POT.
SO LIKE MRS. COOK SAID, WE'RE NOT GOING OUT BORROWING MONEY CONSTANTLY TO PUT A ROOF ON, TO PUT A BOILER IN, TO BUILD A NEW SCHOOL, ALL OF THAT.
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HAS BEEN FRUSTRATING BECAUSE LIKE MR. MAVE SAID, THE NUMBERS JUST ARE EVERYWHERE ON ANY GIVEN TIME.AND EACH TIME WE GOT A NEW SHEET, THERE WAS NEW NUMBERS IN DIFFERENT PLACES.
SO I'M, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO BETTER COMMUNICATION.
AND I KNOW THESE TWO LADIES ARE WORKING HARD WITH YOUR SIDE TO BRING THAT BACK TO US.
SO I JUST, I JUST NEED TO KNOW WE'RE ON THE RIGHT PATH OF THIS INSTEAD OF JUST MOM AND DAD FIXED MY PROBLEM ALL THE TIME.
WELL, NOT THAT IT PROBABLY MATTERS, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE'RE ON A REAL GOOD PATH.
YOU'VE GOT A VERY GOOD COMMITTEE.
THAT'S WORKING WITH OUR GOOD BOARD MEMBERS.
AND, UH, I THINK, I THINK WE'RE ON A GOOD, GOOD PATH.
AND I KNOW YOU'VE WORKED HARD FOR THAT TOO.
UM, WE'RE ALL IN A POSITION OF SOMEBODY TELLING US HOW TO DO OUR JOBS AT SOME POINT.
AND I, I KNOW YOU'VE DONE YOURS, UM, AND YOU WORK VERY HARD AT IT.
SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE REQUEST OF THE WARREN COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD FOR FISCAL YEAR 20 21, 20 22 TO TRANSFER 330,344 FROM CATEGORY 60 1080 7,209 FROM CATEGORY 69,000 TO CATEGORY 62,000 IN THE AMOUNT OF $325,000 TO CATEGORY 64,000 IN THE AMOUNT OF $75,000 TO THE COUNTY CATEGORY, 67,000 IN THE AMOUNT OF 7,553 AND TWO CATEGORIES, 68,000 IN THE AMOUNT OF $10,000.
AND OF COURSE, JUST TO CLARIFY, ALL THESE ACCOUNTS WERE THE ACCOUNTS THAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE ADMIN, UM, O AND M DEBT SERVICE AND TECHNOLOGY.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT ROLL CALL MRS. SHIRAKI MRS. OATES.
I WANT TO THANK YOU BECAUSE I KNOW THAT YOU ARE IN THE HOT SEAT A LOT.
AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR EXPLANATIONS AND YOUR HONESTY ABOUT THIS, YOUR TRAINING, BUT WE'LL BE WATCHING.
AS I'VE MENTIONED, THE MORE, THE MORE EYES ON SOMETHING, THE BETTER, THE BETTER THE PRODUCT.
NOW ON TO NUMBER TWO, BUSINESS COOK.
THAT'S THE, UM, THAT ONE WAS THAT SERVICE.
AND SO YOU'RE GOING TO LAUGH AT ME.
UM, UH, UNLESS ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS? YOU HAVE NO DISCUSSION.
NO, WE AGREED UPON THIS ITEM IN OUR FINANCIAL COMMUNITY.
SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE MOTION.
I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO APPROVE THEIR REQUEST OF THE WARREN COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD FOR FISCAL YEAR 20 22, 20 23, TO TRANSFER 64,179 FROM CATEGORY 64,000 TO CATEGORIES 67,000 IN THE AMOUNT OF 64,179 FOR THE PAYMENT OF THE BOND WITH U S BANK.
I SECOND THAT ROLL CALL, MRS. SHIRAKI MR. MABE, MRS. COOK.
THAT ONE, I THINK IS THE WAY THAT IT SHOULD BE DONE.
THAT'S FOR THIS YEAR'S BUDGET.
AS SOON AS WE REALIZED THAT BECAUSE OF THE WHOLE BACK AT THIS POINT, WE WOULD GO OVER IN THAT WHEN WE IMMEDIATELY BROUGHT IT TO YOUR COMMITTEE AND, UH, YOU KNOW, NOW YOU'VE APPROVED IT AND IT'S DONE WITH PERMISSION INSTEAD OF ASKING FOR FORGIVENESS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT, YOUR UNDERSTANDING, AND, UH, THANK YOU.
[K4. Cooperative Contract Award for Four (4) Vehicle Replacements for the Warren County Sheriff’s Office – Alisa Scott/Sheriff Mark Butler]
CONTRACT AWARD FOR FOUR VEHICLE REPLACEMENTS FOR THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.AND THE REASON I PULLED THAT IS, UM, I DID SOME RESEARCH AND I JUST WAS CURIOUS AS TO HOW WE CAME DOWN TO TAHOES.
I KNOW WE, UM, HAVE BOUGHT FORD EXPLORERS IN THE PAST AND WE HAD DISCUSSED HOW WE WANTED TO KEEP VEHICLES AS MUCH, UH, LIGHT DAYS APART AND LOOKING AT THE MILEAGE AND SO FORTH.
TAHOES DO NOT GET THE GAS MILEAGE THAT EXPLORES DO.
AND OF COURSE, WITH GATSBY IN THE WAY IT IS, I'M LOOKING AT EVERY PENNY ON THIS STUFF.
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DO A COST COMPARISON OF EXPLORERS VERSUS TAHOES? UM, UNFORTUNATELY THE SHERIFF IS NOT HERE THIS MORNING TO GO OVER CHANGING FROM WHAT WE HAVE PREVIOUSLY PURCHASED TO AT TAHOE.I DO KNOW THAT THERE'S A UNIQUE SITUATION WITH THIS PARTICULAR PURCHASE AND THE R AND K THE DEALERSHIP HAS THESE TAHOES AVAILABLE ON THEIR LOT RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO WE DID NOT DO A COST COMPARISON BETWEEN THE TWO, BUT THESE TAHOES ARE THE ONLY TAHOES THAT ARE ACTUALLY IN STOCK.
AND ANY OTHER KIND OF VEHICLE THAT WE PURCHASED ON A STATE CONTRACT WOULD BE A DELAYED PERIOD, A DELAYED LEAD TIME.
DO WE KNOW HOW MUCH DELAY, BECAUSE I, I PERSONALLY DO NOT WANT TO VOTE ON THIS UNTIL I HAVE THAT CAUSE COMPARISON.
I KNOW THE STATE POLICE ARE USING EXPLORES.
UM, FREDERICK COUNTY USES EXPLORERS AND THERE'S BEEN PROBLEMS WITH THE TAHOES.
UM, I'M SORRY, THE OLD VW BEETLES.
I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT AS, YOU KNOW, WE COULD GO TO SMART CARS, BUT OKAY, THERE WE GO.
BUT I, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE NEED A CAUSE COMPARISON.
UH, MAY I WITH GAS PRICES THE WAY THEY ARE AND KNOWING DURING MY RESEARCH, I MEAN, A CHEVY TAHOE GETS, UH, PER GALLON PER TANK, 312 CITY MILES, 360 HIGHWAY FORD EXPLORERS GET 375.9 CITY MILES AND 501.2 HIGHWAY, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY IN GAS.
AND IF THE STATE POLICE AND OTHER JURISDICTIONS ARE GOING TO THEM, THERE MUST BE A REASON THEY'RE NOT DOING TACOS.
SO THE TAHOE'S WERE AVAILABLE ON THE CONTRACT AS AN OPTION.
THERE WASN'T JUST THE EXPLORERS.
IT WAS, UM, TAHOES THAT I THINK CHARGERS AND OTHER TYPES OF VEHICLES AS WELL.
SO JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE THERE'S DIFFERENT TYPES OF VEHICLES, BUT EVERY CAR DEALER IN VIRGINIA AND ELSEWHERE WILL HAVE A SPECIAL DEAL FOR YOU EACH WEEK.
OH, I'M SURE THEY WILL, BUT I, I'M NOT LOOKING FOR THERE'S THERE'S SPECIAL DEALS.
I'M LOOKING AT THE BEST BANG FOR THE BUCK ON THESE VEHICLES.
AND YOU KNOW, MY RESEARCH, I, I DON'T SEE WHERE THE TAHOE HAS IT OVER.
THE, UM, I EVEN WENT DOWN TO LOOK IN AT THERE'S A, THE TAHOE SIX INCH LONGER, UH, TWO INCH WATER AND FOUR INCH TALLER.
AND OTHER THAN THAT, BUT THEY, EVERYTHING SAYS THAT THE EXPLORER RIDES BETTER AND HANDLES ROADS BETTER.
SO I, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A COMPARISON, UM, TO KNOW THAT WE'RE GETTING THE BEST MILEAGE AND SO FORTH INSTEAD OF JUST GOING WITH THE FIRST THING THAT WE GET.
AND THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHTS, I THINK, UH, BASED ON THE VEHICLE THAT THE BOARD ASKED ABOUT, UM, A YEAR AGO AND WE DID MAKE, UM, WE, PLURAL DID MAKE AN ERROR WITH THAT SAYING WE NEEDED A SIZE VEHICLE, WHICH WE REALLY DID NOT NEED.
UM, I THINK WE CAN GO BACK AND DO SOME ANALYSIS ON THIS AND FIGURE OUT WHAT SIZE VEHICLE WE ACTUALLY NEED AND WHAT'S THE BEST.
AND THEN WHICHEVER DEALER HAPPENS TO HAVE ONE WAS A SPECIAL THAT WEEKEND.
NOPE, PRICE OF COMPARISON TAHOES.
AND I, YOU KNOW, I REALIZED THERE'S A $5,000, I GUESS THAT $5,000 IS FOR THE UPGRADE OF JUST THE FOUR WHEEL DRIVE.
UM, BUT YOUR, YOUR EXPLORER STARTS AT 36, 9 90 TO 43, 9 90.
SO YOU ADD, I GUESS THAT 5,000 IN YOUR TAHOES ARE RIGHT AROUND 52.
I COULDN'T GET ON EVA TO SEE WHAT THE STATE YEAH.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE TOTAL AMOUNT FOR THE VEHICLES WOULD BE AROUND $56,000 AND THAT'S FOR PURCHASE OF THE VEHICLES UP, FITTING OUT THE LIGHTS AND EQUIPMENT, AND ALSO FOR THE LABOR THAT IT WOULD TAKE TO DO THE PERFORM THE UPFITTING.
SO IT'S ABOUT $56,000 A VEHICLE.
BUT SEE WHAT YOU DON'T PURCHASE THAT COMPARISON FOR AN EXPLORER.
SO WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU TABLE THIS FOR A NEXT MONTH AND WE'LL BRING BACK TO YOU AFTER WE'VE DONE SOME MORE RESEARCH AND EVALUATED WHAT OUR VEHICLE NEEDS ARE A LITTLE BETTER.
AND OF COURSE, WHEN WE MAKE THE EVALUATION IS GOING TO HAVE THE INPUT OF OUR SHERIFF DEPARTMENT AS WELL.
AND I WOULD SUPPORT, UM, TABLING THIS TO BE NOT ONLY FOR THE COSTS OF PEAR, UM, COMPARISON, BUT ALSO TO GIVE THE SHERIFF THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND EXPLAIN, YEAH.
HIT THE METHOD, HIS MADNESS, IF YOU WILL, OF WHY HE'S GOING THIS WAY.
AND I WOULD ADD THAT, I UNDERSTAND THE SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES ARE A PROBLEM
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WITH GETTING THINGS QUICKLY, BUT THE STANDARDIZATION THAT WE ALL AGREED TO IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THEN YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO, TO, UH, STOCK PARTS AND THINGS THAT YOU WON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO IF WE GO TAHOE.I'D LIKE SOME MORE INFO AS WELL.
SO, UM, IS THERE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS, I MOVED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TABLE.
THIS REQUEST FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND? OH, MRS. SHIRAKI MRS. OATES.
[K14. Authorization to Advertise for Public Hearing – Conditional Use Permit 2022-06-09, Cole and Danielle Haase for a Commercial Outdoor Recreational Operation – Matt Wendling]
NUMBER 14.UM, AND THAT ONE WAS FULL TO MAKE THE PUBLIC HEARING DATES SEPTEMBER 27TH.
IS THERE A MOTION SIX O'CLOCK ON THE 27TH, SEPTEMBER 27TH AT 6:00 PM.
IS THERE A MOTION TO MOVE THAT PUBLIC HEARING TO SEPTEMBER 27TH AT 6:00 PM? MADAM CHAIR, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU PROVIDE THAT EXPLANATION TO ANYBODY WATCHING WHILE WE'RE MOVING IT, BECAUSE I THINK IT WAS A GOOD EXPLANATION.
WE ARE GOING TO HAVE, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING AND IN SOMEONE CORRECT ME OR DR.
DALE, OR IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THE EXPLANATION, WHY WE'RE MOVING THIS ONE FROM AUGUST TO SEPTEMBER, THE, UH, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SUPERVISOR IN THE AREA CAN BE THERE RATHER THAN MOVING ALL OF THE, UM, HEARINGS TO THE FOLLOWING WEEK IN AUGUST.
WHEN MR. WENDLING CAN NOT BE THERE.
WE THOUGHT IT WAS BETTER TO MOVE THIS TO SEPTEMBER, AND THIS IS ACCEPTABLE TO THE APPLICANT.
SO THAT GIVES EVERYBODY MORE TIME TO PREPARE FOR IT.
AND WE WILL HAVE OTHER PUBLIC HEARINGS COMING UP IN SEPTEMBER.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS ANOTHER DELUGE OF C UPS COMING THAT WILL COME TO YOU IN SEPTEMBER.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE FOURTH TUESDAY IN SEPTEMBER, ALSO FOR ALL OF THOSE HEARINGS.
I JUST WANTED THE CONSTITUENTS TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE WERE MOVING IN AND HAVING THE, UM, WHEN WE HAVE A LARGE NUMBER OF THESE PUBLIC HEARINGS, WE THINK IS BETTER TO HAVE THAT SEPARATE FROM YOUR MAIN MEETINGS SO THAT WE CAN STREAMLINE BOTH OF THE PROCESSES A LITTLE BETTER.
AND AFTER THANKS FOR THREE HOURS, THE COLLECTIVE GROUP DOESN'T THINK AS WELL AS THEY DID.
IT WORKED VERY WELL LAST WEEK AT THE, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD MOVE.
IS THERE A MOTION THEN TO, UM, MOVE THAT ITEM TO SEPTEMBER 27TH AT 6:00 PM? YES.
I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TABLE, THEY REQUEST TO AUTHORIZE FOR ADVERTISEMENT OF A PUBLIC HEARING AND PROPOSED CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUESTS FOR A COMMERCIAL, COMMERCIAL OUTDOOR RECREATION OPERATION UNTIL AGENCY COMMENTS ARE RECEIPT.
SO THEN YOU WANT TO MOVE IT TO THE 27TH AND TO MOVE OKAY.
SEPTEMBER 27TH, SIX, AND THEN ALSO MOVE THIS PUBLIC HEARING REQUESTS TO, UM, AUGUST NO, SEPTEMBER 27TH, 27TH AT 6:00 PM AT 6:00 PM.
IS THERE A SECOND ROLL CALL, MRS.
WE ARE NOW AT THE CLOSED SESSION.
WE REMOVED ITEM L EARLIER WHEN WE, UM, AMENDED THE AGENDA.
[M. Closed Session – Section 2.2-3711(A)(8) of the Virginia Freedom of Information Act Consultation with Legal Counsel for the Provision of Legal Advice]
AT CLOSE SESSION, CORRECT? YES.JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO.
I MOVE THE BOARD ENTER INTO A CLOSED MEETING UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF SECTION TWO DOT TWO DASH 3 7 1 1 8 OF THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT FOR CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL REGARDING SPECIFIC LEGAL MATTERS REQUIRING THE PROVISION OF LEGAL ADVICE BY COUNSEL AS SUCH MATTER, BEING DELINQUENT REAL ESTATE TAXES.
I ALSO MOVE THE BOARD ENTERED INTO A CLOSED MEETING UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF SECTION TWO DOT TWO DASH 3 7 1 1 803 FOR THE DISCUSSION OR CONSIDERATION OF THE DISPOSITION OF PUBLICLY HELD REAL PROPERTY, WHERE DISCUSSION IN AN OPEN MEETING WOULD ADVERSELY AFFECT THE BARGAINING POSITION OR NEGOTIATING STRATEGY OF THE PUBLIC BODY, SUCH REAL PROPERTY BEING LOCATED IN THE NORTH RIVER MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT, OUTSIDE THE LIMITS OF THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL.
I HAVE FURTHER MOVED THE BOARD ENTER INTO A CLOSED MEETING UNDER THE
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PROVISIONS OF SECTIONS TWO DOT TWO DASH 3 7 1 1 8, 7 AND EIGHT FOR CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL PERTAINING TO ACTUAL LITIGATION AND THE PROVISION OF LEGAL ADVICE REGARDING THE CASE OF KAREN SUSAN ADAMS AT ALL VERSUS JUDGE W DALE HOUGH AT ALZ.FINALLY, I MOVE THE BOARD, ENTER INTO A MEETING UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF SECTION TWO DOT TWO DASH 3 7 1 1 A ONE TO DISCUSS THE APPOINTMENT OF MEMBERS TO THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY OF THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL AND THE COUNTY OF WARREN VIRGINIA.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND CALL MRS. SHAHRAKI MRS. OATS.
WE WILL GO INTO CLOSED SESSION AFTER, DOES EVERYBODY WANT A FIVE MINUTE BREAK OR I WOULD.
CHERYL, TELL ME HOW YOU REALIZE.
OKAY, SAM, I THINK WE'RE ALL HERE.
IF I COULD HAVE A MOTION COMING OUT OF CLOSED SESSION, I MOVED THE BOARD CERTIFIES TO THE BEST OF EACH MEMBER'S KNOWLEDGE.
ONLY PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS, LAWFULLY EXEMPTED FROM OPEN MEETING REQUIREMENTS UNDER SECTIONS TWO DOT TWO DASH 3 7 1 1 8 1 A THREE, A SEVEN AND EIGHT OF THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT AND ONLY SUCH PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS AS WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION BY WHICH THE CLOSED MEETING WAS CONVENED WERE HEARD, DISCUSSED, OR CONSIDERED IN THE MEETING BY THE PUBLIC BODY.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND ROLL CALL, MRS. SHIRAKI MR. MABE, MRS. COOK.
IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL NEW BUSINESS HEARING? NONE.
IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SO MOVED SECOND, SECOND.
AND, UM, SINCE IT'S JUST THE FEW OF US, DO WE WANT TO GO BACK IN, UH, THE CAUCUS ROOM TO DO THE FOYA AND ALL THAT? OR WOULD YOU RATHER GO TO THE BACK ROOM? IS THIS IT FOR THE FOUR YEAR? I THOUGHT THERE WAS GOING TO BE OTHER PEOPLE IN THE, THIS JUST LAUGHED AND TOLD ME HE WOULD BE HERE, BUT I HAD TO LEAVE A LITTLE SLOWER THAN NOW.
SOME OF THE STUFF THAT YOU'RE THAT, UH, KELLY, I THINK KELLY STEWART, UM, SOME OF THE STUFFS THAT SHE GAVE TO US, COULD WE NOT SHARE THAT? SURE.
UH, I MEAN, SHARE IT WITH BRUCE OR ANYBODY ELSE THAT MAY WANT IT.
CAUSE WHEN, UM, WHEN SHE HAD, UH, MR. STANLEY'S NAME ON IT AND I DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER YOU WANTED TO, WELL, THAT'S CORRECT BECAUSE THAT'S THE, WELL, THAT'S THE COUNTY'S FOIL POLICY AND WELL PEOPLE, PEOPLE LIKE, UM, UM, BLUE MOUNTAIN, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY MAY BE CHANGING THE WAY THAT THEY'RE DOING THINGS AND THAT THEY'RE BEING MORE AWARE.
THEY NEED A POLICY TOO, AND IT'S A GOOD GUIDE FOR THEM.
SO THE CHAIR ASKED IF YOU ALL WANT TO STAY OUT HERE.
WHERE IT'S, WHAT'S THE PLEASURE.
I MEAN, UNLESS WE'VE GOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE IN THE CAUCUS ROOM IS FINE AND COMFORTABLE, BUT I JUST ALWAYS HATE ME IN UP HERE FOR A WORK SESSION PERSONALLY, BUT I DON'T CARE WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS.
SO I PLANNED TO STAY FOR FOYA.
AND THEN I HAVE TO, I HAVE A WORK COMMITMENT THAT I HAVE TO EAT BRUISES.
AND THE ONLY ONE WHO THOUGHT THAT'S TAKEN LESS TIME THAN ASS.
SO ONCE YOU DO THE FOIL AND IT WILL, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING IT CORRECTLY, UH, JASON, THIS WILL, UH, CERTIFY HOURS YEAR REQUIRED, WHATEVER THE TERM IS THAT WE HAVE TO BE FULLY TRAINED FOR NEW YEARS.
WELL, WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND DO FOR YOU FROM HERE, STOUT HOLDING YOU UP AND THEN I'D LIKE TO MOVE BACK THERE FOR THE REST OF IT.
[Work Session Item A. Virginia Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) Review – Jason Ham]
RIGHT.Y'ALL, Y'ALL GOT SOME MATERIALS FOR FOYA TRAINING, UM, THAT MY SECRETARY SENT TO YOU, UH, UH, JULY 22ND.
AND SO THE FIRST THING I WANT TO DO IS TO COME BACK TO WALT'S QUESTION AND THIS, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, TO DO THAT, CAUSE I'VE GOT A LITTLE PRESENTATION, BUT A SUPERVISOR MAY BE, I FEEL LIKE WE SORTA GOT CUT OFF, BUT YEAH, I'M HAPPY WITH YOU TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH, YOU KNOW, OTHER, UM, MEMBERS OF THE WARREN COUNTY, UH, COMMUNITY THAT ARE ASSISTING WARREN
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COUNTY.UM, IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT, THANK YOU.
UM, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER GENERAL FOYER QUESTIONS OR SPECIFIC ONES? OKAY.
SO THE, UM, FOR YOU IS VERY SPECIFIC AND IT'S PRETTY DRACONIAN.
YOU'RE REQUIRED TO LEARN IT AND THERE'S, UH, AND SO OF COURSE THEN YOU KNOW IT, AND THEN THERE'S PENALTIES FOR KNOWING VIOLATIONS.
UM, WE ARE REQUIRED TO PUT THIS RIGHTS AND RESPONSIBILITIES FORM ON OUR WEBSITE AND, AND WE DO THAT AND IT'S A GOOD OVERVIEW OF FOYA THAT HELPS TO EXPLAIN TO OUR CITIZENS WHAT IT IS, BUT BASICALLY ANYTHING YOU WRITE AND ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, YOU SAY OTHER THAN IF IT'S IN A CLOSED MEETING IS ALL OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
SO ANY EMAIL, ANY TEXT MESSAGE THAT HAS TO DO WITH PUBLIC BUSINESS, ET CETERA, IT'S ALL SUBJECT TO FOYA.
UM, EVERY MEETING THAT YOU EVER HAVE HAS GOT TO BE OPEN AND THAT'S RIGHT FROM 2.2 37 0 7, ALL MEETINGS OF PUBLIC BODIES SHALL BE OPENED.
ALSO YOUR COMMITTEES ARE PUBLIC BODIES.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS A PUBLIC BODY, UH, ANY SUB COMMITTEE THAT YOU HAVE IS GOING TO BE A PUBLIC BODY, SOME OTHER PUBLIC BODIES THAT YOU WOULDN'T EVEN THINK OF.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, UNTIL VERY RECENTLY, POS F WAS A PUBLIC BODY BECAUSE THEY WERE PRINCIPALLY SUPPORTED WITH PUBLIC FUNDS.
I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, IF OR IF THEY WERE, THEY WERE A PUBLIC BODY.
SO IF YOU WANT TO GO INTO A CLOSED MEETING, THEN YOU HAVE GOT TO FOLLOW THE PROVISIONS OF THE CLOSED MEETING RULES.
IT'S VERY SOMETHING HARD TO DO ON THE FLY.
WHEN MRS. OATES THIS MORNING HAD A SUGGESTION, HEY, I ALSO WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS IN CLOSED SESSION.
I WAS TEXTING BACK AND FORTH WITH EMILY TO CRAFT THAT CORRECT, UM, MOTION.
AND YOU REALLY CAN'T DO IT WITHOUT HAVING A SCRIPT.
AND SO WE HAVE USED AT MY FIRM FOR MANY YEARS, UM, THE SCRIPT THAT THIS MOTION FOR RECESS INTO CLOSED SESSION, AND IT'S GOT EIGHT DIFFERENT THINGS THAT YOU CAN CHECK.
AND IF YOU LOOK IN 2.2 37, 11, THERE'S ACTUALLY ABOUT 30 OR 35 DIFFERENT REASONS YOU CAN GO INTO CLOSED SESSION, BUT I CAN TELL YOU FROM LONG EXPERIENCE, 99% OF THEM ARE ON THIS FORM THAT WE'VE, THAT WE'VE GOT HERE.
AND SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE ALL OF YOU TO KEEP THIS FORM.
IT CAN BE USED FOR NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE ON A COMMITTEE, IT CAN BE USED FOR THAT COMMITTEE AS WELL.
UM, AND THIS PROVIDES YOU A SCRIPT.
NOW, YOUR STAFF, UM, OFTEN WITH ASSISTANCE FROM ME QUITE OFTEN, NOT, EMILY'S VERY GOOD AT PUTTING THESE MOTIONS TOGETHER, UH, PUT TOGETHER YOUR CLOSED MEETING FORMS AND YOUR SCRIPTS.
BUT IF YOU'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE THAT, THEN YOU CAN READ FROM THIS.
YOU REALLY ABSOLUTELY CANNOT JUST SAY, I MOVED TO GO INTO CLOSED MEETING TO TALK TO THE LAWYER UNDER THE FOYA EXEMPTION.
YOU ABSOLUTELY CANNOT DO THAT.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, A GENERAL MOTION AFTERWARDS, I MOVE THAT.
WE ONLY TALKED ABOUT WHAT WE WENT IN THERE TO DO THAT DOESN'T WORK EITHER.
UM, SO, AND THAT IS IN THE 2.2 37 12.
UM, SO NO CLOSE MEETINGS SHALL BE HELD UNLESS THE PARTY PROBABLY BODY HAS TAKEN AN AFFIRMATIVE RECORDED VOTE IN EMOTION THAT IDENTIFIES THE SUBJECT MATTER STATES, THE PURPOSE AND SITES, THE APPLICABLE EXEMPTION FROM ODING OPEN MEETING REQUIREMENTS.
SO YOU ACTUALLY GOT TO HAVE THE SITE AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT A COMPLIMENT EMILY FOR CATCHING THAT, YOU KNOW, I DRAFTED SOMETHING QUICKLY, TEXTED IT TO HER.
AND SHE SAID, WELL, YOU DIDN'T PUT THE SITE IN.
SO I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE USED MY OWN SCRIPT.
I WAS TRYING TO SORT OF TO MAKE IT FIT THE FORMAT THAT YOU GUYS HAD HERE.
UM, THE CERTIFICATION RESOLUTIONS THAT YOU, YOU DO, AND YOU ALWAYS SEE ME PERK UP WHENEVER Y'ALL COME OUT OF CLOSE MEETING, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ALWAYS SORT OF WANT TO TALK TO ME AND DO STUFF AND, AND THAT'S FINE, BUT I SHOOT PEOPLE AWAY.
AND I POKE UP WHENEVER YOU READ THAT BECAUSE IT MUST BE READ.
AND THEN AGAIN IS, IS DIRECTLY FROM FOYA.
UM, AT THE CONCLUDING I'M READING DIRECTLY FROM 2.2 37, 12 D AT THE CONCLUSION OF ANY CLOSED MEETING, THE PUBLIC BODY HOLDING SUCH MEETING SHALL IMMEDIATELY RECONVENE AN OPEN MEETING AND, UH, HAVE A VOTE CERTIFIED IN TO THE BEST OF EACH MEMBER'S LAW KNOWLEDGE.
ONE ONLY PUBLIC MS. THIS MATTERS LAWFULLY EXEMPTED FROM MEETING REQUIREMENTS
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UNDER THIS CHAPTER AND ONLY SUCH PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS AS WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION BY WHICH THE CLOSED MEETING WAS CONVENED WERE HEARD, DISCUSSED, OR CONSIDERED THE MEETING BY A PUBLIC BODY.SO I ALWAYS PERK UP WHENEVER YOU ALL START READING THAT, BECAUSE IF YOU MISS A COUPLE OF WORDS, IT'S A FOIL VIOLATION.
AND EVEN GOES SO FAR AS TO SAY, UM, THAT YOU CAN'T JUST MAKE A GENERAL REFERENCE, A GENERAL REFERENCE TO THE PROVISIONS OF THIS CHAPTER, THE AUTHORIZED EXEMPTIONS OR THE SUBJECT MATTER SHALL NOT BE SUFFICIENT TO SATISFY, SATISFY THE REQUIREMENTS FOR HOLDING CLOSE MEETING.
SO THE REALITY IS IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO INTO A CLOSE MEETING, YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE A WRITTEN SCRIPT.
IT IS ESSENTIALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO DO IT LEGALLY WITHOUT HAVING A WRITTEN SCRIPT.
AND THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THESE, THIS FORM THAT I HAVE THAT I'VE PROVIDED TO YOU, THAT YOU'RE WELCOME TO USE ANY TIME OR USE FOREVER OTHER COMMITTEES, BECAUSE THAT PROVIDES THE SCRIPT.
IT ALSO PROVIDES THE CLOSED MEETING PORTION OF IT.
I KNOW SOMETIMES IT'S INTIMIDATING FOR NON-LAWYERS TO SORT OF READ AN ENTIRE LAW.
AND BASICALLY THE VERY FIRST PORTION OF FOIL, I'D SAY 2.2 3,700 TO 2.2 37 0 4 0.3.
IT'S KIND OF THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF HOW FOIL WORKS.
AND THEN YOU'VE GOT MORE THAN HALF OF FOIL.
AND HERE I GOT IT IN FRONT OF ME.
IF WE WERE CLOSER TOGETHER, I'D BE ABLE TO SHOW YOU MORE, BUT I'D SAY BY VOLUME, AT LEAST 60% OF THIS ARE EXEMPTIONS TO SPECIFIC DOCUMENTS BECAUSE THEY HAVE GOT TO FIND A PLACE FOR ANY PARTICULAR DOCUMENT THAT YOU WOULDN'T WANT THE PUBLIC TO SEE.
SO, YOU KNOW, IN EVERY YEAR THEY ADD TO THAT.
SO THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THIS.
SO YOU CAN KIND OF FORGET ALL THAT.
AND SO IF YOU ALL WOULD WOULDN'T MIND TO WRITE THIS DOWN, IF YOU JUST HAD A CHANCE TO READ ANY TIME, 2.2 3,700 THROUGH 2.2 37 0 4 0.3 AND THEN 2.2 37 0 7 THROUGH 3 7 1 5.
AND IT'S NOT AS BAD AS IT LOOKS.
UM, ALSO BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME PORTIONS THAT ARE EFFECTIVE SEPTEMBER 1ST AND OTHERS NOT.
I WOULD JUST CHOOSE TO READ ONE OF THOSE BECAUSE THERE'S USUALLY NOT VERY MUCH DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO AND THAT GIVE YOU, THAT'LL GIVE YOU A REALLY NICE OVERVIEW AND AN EXPLANATION OF WHY WE DO CERTAIN THINGS.
SO, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, JASON, WHY YOU SAID SO TOTALLY PEDANTIC ABOUT THIS AND ALWAYS BOTHER US ABOUT IT.
WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE NASTY PENALTIES THAT COME AT THE END OF THE CHAPTER AND BECAUSE ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC, ANY MAN, I KNOW YOU ALL LITIGATION AVERSE, TIRED OF PAYING LEGAL FEES AND, UH, BEING IN COURT, IF YOU COMMIT A FOIL VIOLATION, ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC IN CITIZENRY OF WARREN COUNTY HAS THE RIGHT TO SUE YOU.
AND IF IT'S TRUE THAT YOU'VE VIOLATED FOIL, THEY, YOU PASS TO PAY THEIR ATTORNEY'S FEES.
AND THAT COURT CASE TAKES PRIORITY OVER EVERY OTHER DOCKET.
IT IS ACTUALLY SUPPOSED TO BE HEARD WITHIN SEVEN DAYS, WHICH IF ANY OF YOU INVOLVED IN LEGAL STUFF, YOU REALIZE THAT'S AMAZING.
UM, SO IF GENERAL ASSEMBLY VIEWS IT AS SUPER SERIOUS.
AND SO YOU HAVE PROVIDED A CAUSE OF ACTION TO A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC, THE COSTS, THE TAXPAYERS OF WARREN COUNTY MONEY, UH, AND IT HAPPENS.
UM, MY FIRM REPRESENTS THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND A, A, ANOTHER JURISDICTION MADE A PRETTY SERIOUS FOYA VIOLATION IN FAILING TO PROVIDE DOCUMENTS THAT WERE REQUESTED.
AND THERE WAS A TRIAL AND WE WON AND THEY PAID $12,000 IN LEGAL FEES, UM, FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY TO MY FIRM FOR THAT CASE.
UM, I'LL TELL YOU, IT DOESN'T HAPPEN AS OFTEN OUT IN THE REAL WORLD ABOUT PEOPLE BEING FINED, BECAUSE QUITE OFTEN JUDGES WILL BE USED TO DISCOVERY DISPUTES, ET CETERA.
AND, YOU KNOW, IN CIVIL CASES AND THEY'RE LIKE, OH, WHAT'S THE PROBLEM.
YOU, YOU GOT THE DOCUMENT AND THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T NECESSARILY FOCUS ON THE FACT OF WHAT IT SAYS, BUT THAT CAN HAPPEN TOO.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M SUCH A PEDANTIC PERSON ABOUT FOYA, UH, AND WHY I PAY SO MUCH ATTENTION AND WHY WE TRY TO HAVE EVERYTHING PREPPED AND SCRIPTED AHEAD OF TIME.
AND WHY, YOU KNOW, IF POSSIBLE, WE WANT TO KNOW AHEAD OF TIME, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE, WHAT THE CLOSE MEETING STUFF'S GOING TO BE.
I CAME UP WITH A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES.
I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE EDA, UH, LITIGATION.
SO I CAME PREPARED WITH THAT ONE HADN'T OCCURRED TO ME THAT YOU STILL WANTED TO TALK ABOUT APPOINTMENTS PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE, BUT, UM, SO THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT.
UH, YOU KNOW, AND THE OTHER REASON, OF COURSE, WE'RE THE GOOD GUYS.
WE W EVERYONE, I KNOW EVERYONE ON HIS BOARD ABSOLUTELY PROMOTES OPEN GOVERNMENT.
SO YOU CAN ABSOLUTELY TAKE A NON-BINDING STRAW POLL IN OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THE CLOSED MEETING ROOM, I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE DONE THAT, BUT IN ORDER FOR IT TO BE DONE AS ANY, ANY KIND OF BINDING FASHION, IT'S GOT TO BE AFFIRMED OUT IN THE OPEN SESSION, YOU HAVE TO, THE ONLY ACTUAL OFFICIAL ACTION THAT CAN BE TAKEN IS TAKEN OUT HERE IN THE, IN THE VIEW
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OF THE PUBLIC, ET CETERA.SO KIND OF GOING PART OF THAT, TO THAT, UM, TO THE, TO THE PARANOIA ABOUT IT IS, IS THE PRESUMPTION IN FOIL.
IT'S ALWAYS IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT THE PRESUMPTION.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU EVER HAVE A FIRST AMENDMENT CASE, UM, THERE'S A HUGE PRESUMPTION IN FAVOR OF FREE SPEECH, EVEN TO THE EXTENT THAT, UH, THIS IS A 1960S CASE COHEN VERSUS STATE OF CALIFORNIA, OR SOMEONE WROTE A, UH, A, A BLANK UC K THE DRAFT, AND IT WAS ON THE BACK OF A LEATHER JACKET, WALKING THROUGH A COURTHOUSE IN CALIFORNIA, PARSON WAS CHARGED WITH OBSCENITY SUPREME COURT SAID, NOPE, YOU CAN DO THAT.
SO IT'S BASICALLY IT'S REALLY HIGH, LEGAL STANDARD TO, TO BE ABLE TO EVER VIOLATE SOMEBODY OR BASICALLY RESTRICT SOMEBODY'S SPEECH.
AND SO THE STANDARD, WHENEVER YOU'RE INVOLVED IN ANY KIND OF LEGAL, ANYTHING, IT ALWAYS HAS TO BE FOREFRONT IN YOUR MIND.
AND UNDER FOYA, BY ITS TERMS, IT SAYS, SHALL BE LIBERALLY CONSTRUED TO PROMOTE AN INCREASED AWARENESS BY ALL PERSONS OF GOVERNMENTAL ACTIVITIES.
SO THERE WAS A BORDERLINE CASE, WELL, MAYBE WE CAN GO INTO CLOSE MEETING.
MAYBE WE CAN'T, AH, YOU, YOU COME DOWN WITH THE, NO, YOU CAN'T.
I HAD A, UM, AND FOR THE CLOSED MEETINGS, THERE'S, IT'S GOT TO FIT ONE OF THOSE BOXES.
I HAD A TOWN POLICE CHIEF ONCE ASKED ME THEY WANTED TO CONDUCT A STING OPERATION, UM, AND WANTED FUNDING FOR THAT.
UH, AND OBVIOUSLY IT HAD TO BE, YOU KNOW, SECRET AND WANTED TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION.
I LOOKED THROUGH IT, NOPE, CAN'T DO THAT.
AND YOU KNOW, THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T TALK TO THE GOVERNING BODY.
YOU HAVE TO DO THAT TWO BY TWO, AND THIS GETS BACK TO THE OTHER FOYA MATTER.
AND THAT'S THEIR DEFINITION OF, OF MEETINGS.
DEFINITIONS ARE ALWAYS IMPORTANT.
AND, AND IF YOU DO GET A CHANCE TO READ FOR YOU AND I ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO SO, IT'S TEMPTING TO SKIP OVER THE DEFINITION OF, OF MEETINGS.
BUT, UH, THE FOIL DEFINITION OF MEETING IS VERY, VERY BROAD.
AND SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE THREE MEMBERS PRESENT FOR, TO HAVE A QUORUM FOR, FOR YOUR MEETING.
BUT, UM, BASICALLY, UH, YOU COULD HAVE OTHER BOARDS.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, SHENANDOAH COUNTY HAS A SIX MEMBER BOARD, AND IT'S STILL A FORUM MEETING IF THERE'S THREE MEMBERS.
SO FOR FOIL PURPOSES, IT'S A MEETING.
EVEN IF YOU COULDN'T TAKE OFFICIAL ACTION, EVEN IF IT WOULDN'T BE A QUORUM OF YOUR GOVERNING BODY, THREE PEOPLE IS A MEETING.
SO IF I EVER SEE THREE OF Y'ALL TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING I'VE, I'M NOSY AND A LITTLE PUSHY ABOUT IT.
AND IF ONE OF YOU EVER ASKS ME A QUESTION, UM, AND THERE'S THREE OF YOU THERE, AND YOU'VE SEEN ME DO THIS.
I'M GOING TO SAY, YOU KNOW, A SUPERVISOR MAY, WOULD YOU MIND TAKE OFF OR, OR SOMEONE HAS TO LEAVE BECAUSE I CAN ONLY PROVIDE THAT ANSWER TO TWO OF YOU AT A TIME.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THREE I'LL RUN INTO EACH OTHER IN THE GROCERY STORE.
YOU'RE ALLOWED TO SAY HI, ET CETERA, BUT I ALMOST WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU NOT TO, BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR CONSTITUENTS THINK THAT YOU'RE DOING AND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN, CAN YOU PROVE YOU, WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT WHAT YOU WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO BE DOING, ET CETERA.
I KNOW THAT'S NOT SO NICE AND NOT SO SOCIAL, BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE WAY THAT YOU SHOULD DO THINGS.
THE MEETINGS, UH, RULE ELECTRONIC MEETINGS AND, AND I'VE HAD MANY CLIENTS REALLY PUSH THE LINE ON THIS AND BE IRRITATED WITH ME ABOUT THIS, BUT EMAIL MEETINGS OR TEXT MEETINGS ABSOLUTELY CAN BE A MEETING.
AND SO THE RULE IS CYMBALTA AENEAS COMMUNICATION.
SO IF THREE OF YOU ARE ON A PHONE CALL TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC BUSINESS, WOW.
YOU KNOW, CLEAR FOIL VIOLATION, NO QUESTION.
WHAT ABOUT, UM, THE EMAIL GOES OUT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HEY, UM, WHAT'S A GOOD DATE TO HAVE THE NEXT WORK SESSION ON BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, LET YOU KNOW ALL YOU LET ME KNOW.
AND I KNOW CHAIRMAN COLOR'S, WOULDN'T SEND THIS EMAIL AT CAUSE SHE, SHE KNOWS NOT TO, BUT, UM, YOU THEN GET THE REPLIES AND THEY COME IN AND LET'S SAY THE THREE MEMBERS REPLY WITHIN THE FIRST HOUR.
THAT COULD VERY WELL BE A MEETING.
UM, THERE ARE TWO COURT CASES ON THIS, IN BOTH CASES, THE COURTS FOUND THAT THEY WERE NOT MEETINGS, BUT THEY LOOKED VERY SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE SIMULTANEOUS COMMUNICATION AND BASICALLY EVEN ANALYZE HOW MANY HOURS PASSED BETWEEN THE EMAILS THAT WENT BACK AND FORTH.
AND IN ONE OF THE CASES, IT WAS NINE HOURS.
THE OTHER ONE, IT WAS SIX HOURS.
SO IT WAS, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE HOURS.
UM, SO THAT IS SOMETHING TO BE REALLY CAREFUL OF.
SO, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, THE FOIL TRAINING ITSELF WAS AN EMAIL TO ALL OF YOU.
UM, BUT IT DIDN'T RE INVITE ANY RESPONSE BACK.
SO IF YOU EVER EMAIL, YOU KNOW, EACH OTHER, YOU WANT TO FORWARD INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, SO BE IT, BUT DON'T EVER SEND SOMETHING OUT THAT INVITES A RESPONSE BACK BECAUSE THEN YOU CAN HAVE IN AN INADVERTENT ELECTRONIC MEETING, UM, AND THAT ELECTRONIC MEETING WILL NOT HAVE COMPLIED WITH THE OTHER FOYA RULES.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, 2.2 37 0 7, THAT SAYS THAT NOTICE OF ANY MEETING HAS GOT TO BE PROVIDED AT LEAST THREE WORKING DAYS BEFORE THE MEETING.
UM, AND YOU ALL HAVE HAD MEETINGS AT SHORTER NOTICE THAN THAT,
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CAUSE THERE'S AN EXCEPTION FOR SPECIAL MEETINGS OR, UH, AND, AND YOU HAVE DONE THAT IN, IN THE PAST, BUT MEETINGS HAVE GOT TO BE NOTICED.AND OF COURSE, IF YOU'RE HAVING A EMAIL BACK AND FORTH LEADERS, THAT'S NOT A NOTICE OF PUBLIC MEETING AND THAT'S NOT, NOT RIGHT.
JUST THE CODE TO ACTUALLY PUT OUT ON EMAILS, ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATION, TRONIC COMMUNICATION IN THE CODE, OR IS IT, OR DOES THE CURRENT STATE, YOU KNOW, A MEETING TH THE MEAT THERE IS THIS, THERE IS A, UM, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
THERE IS A SECTION OF FOYA THAT SPECIFICALLY REGULATES ELECTRONIC MEETINGS.
AND SO, AND, YOU KNOW, W WE'LL WE'LL HIT THAT, HIT THAT RIGHT NOW.
SO THE RULES ON ELECTRONIC MEETINGS ARE, AND THIS COULD BE OVER ZOOM, WHATEVER.
UM, CERTAIN PUBLIC BODIES STARTING IN SEPTEMBER CAN HAVE AN ELECTRONIC MEETING.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, TWICE PER YEAR, THE EDA MEMBERS COULD HAVE A MEETING SIMULTANEOUSLY OVER EMAIL OR ZOOM OR TEAMS, OR, YOU KNOW, A CONFERENCE CALL, WHATEVER, TWICE PER YEAR, THAT'S A BRAND NEW LAW.
UM, RIGHT NOW THIS BOARD, AND BECAUSE YOU'VE PASSED THE POLICY THAT ENABLES IT TO HAPPEN, TWO OF YOU IN ANY ONE MEETING COULD APPEAR, UM, ELECTRONICALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, OVER THE INTERNET OR A CONFERENCE CALL OR WHATEVER ELSE, BUT THERE MUST BE A QUORUM PHYSICALLY PRESENT.
SO YEAH, ELECTRONIC MEETINGS ARE SPECIFICALLY REGULATED AND YOU CAN DO THEM IN SPECIFIC WAYS, BUT YOU CAN'T DO THEM IN OTHER WAYS.
SO, UM, WITH RESPECT TO ELECTRIC QUESTION WAS, YOU KNOW, W WHAT DOES THE CODE SAY ABOUT ELECTRONIC MEETINGS? AND SO THERE'S A SPECIFIC CODE SECTION 2.2 3708.2 OR 0.3, I THINK.
AND IT BASICALLY TALKS ABOUT WHAT CONSTITUTE, HOW YOU CAN HAVE AN ELECTRONIC MEETING.
SO AN ELECTRONIC MEETING, BEING SOMETHING OTHER THAN PHYSICALLY SITTING HERE AS A GROUP, A ZOOM MEETING, FOR EXAMPLE.
AND SO STARTING IN SEPTEMBER, UM, PUBLIC, CERTAIN PUBLIC BODIES, IT SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDES LOCALITIES, BUT IT WOULD INCLUDE YOUR EDA.
SO YOUR EDA TWICE PER YEAR CAN HAVE ZOOM MEETINGS.
YOU CAN HAVE ELECTRONIC MEETINGS, THERE'S OTHER RULES THEY'VE GOT TO FOLLOW.
YOU HAVE TO MAKE MINUTES AND THINGS AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC, ET CETERA.
I PERSONALLY THINK THEY'RE GOING TO SEE THAT IT'S A TEST BALLOON TO SEE HOW IT GOES, AND IF IT DOES GO, IT MIGHT EXPAND TO OTHER THINGS.
UM, DURING COVID WE HAD A BUNCH OF ELECTRONIC MEETINGS AND THAT WAS DONE, UH, PURSUANT TO THE EMERGENCY ORDINANCE AND SOME SPECIAL LEGISLATION THAT WAS PASSED TO SPECIFICALLY DEAL WITH COVID.
AND I KNOW THAT COVID STILL HERE, BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE NOT EVEN WEARING MASKS, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE TO DO THAT ANYMORE.
SO NONE OF MY JURISDICTIONS DO THAT FOR WARREN COUNTY.
UM, YOU CAN HAVE CERTAIN MEMBERS CAN APPEAR ELECTRONICALLY DURING A MEETING IF A QUORUM.
SO AT LEAST THREE MEMBERS ARE PHYSICALLY HERE.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT THREE SUPERVISORS IN THIS ROOM, THEN ONE OR TWO OTHER SUPERVISORS COULD APPEAR BY CONFERENCE CALL, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER ELSE IT IS.
THERE'S OTHER RULES APPLICABLE TO THAT.
UM, THERE IS A LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF TIMES PER YEAR THAT IT CAN HAPPEN.
I THINK, TOO, FOR A PERSONAL REASON.
AND I BELIEVE IT'S UNLIMITED FOR, UM, FOR IF THERE IS A PHYSICAL OR, OR A MEDICAL CONDITION PREVENTING YOUR ATTENDANCE, AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO STATE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WERE THE PERSON CALLING IN, YOU'D HAVE THE STATE, YOU KNOW, I'M IN ARIZONA AT A BUSINESS FUNCTION, OR, YOU KNOW, I'M AT HOME WITH COVID, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO TELL YOUR MOM I'M AT HOME WITH A MEDICAL CONDITION ON, CANNOT BE HERE.
UM, AND YOU'LL SEE ME INTERRUPT AND DO STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO, UM, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, SO TH I THINK THE, THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IT DID, BECAUSE, UM, THE CONCERN IS I HAVE POTENTIAL TO HAVE A SMALL OPERATION.
I'M GOING TO BE OUT FOR A PERIOD OF TIME.
DON'T KNOW HOW LONG, BUT I CAN, I SHOULD BE ABLE TO STILL DO MY REGULAR MEETINGS.
AND IN YOUR CODE, UM, YOUR PROCEDURAL RULES HAVE A POLICY, AND IT EXPLAINS EXACTLY WHAT YOU DO.
AND I KNOW ONE OF THE, YOU KNOW, AND I, I KNOW IT WELL ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO TELL YOU MOST OF IT, WHICH IS YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO TELL THE CHAIR ON OR BEFORE THE MEETING THAT YOU'RE GONNA APPEAR ELECTRONICALLY.
UM, MORE TIME IS ALWAYS APPRECIATED.
UM, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT TO STATE THE REASON WHY THERE'S LIMITED TWO TIMES PER YEAR, BUT JUST BECAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO VISIT FAMILY, OR YOU'VE GOT A BUSINESS THING, YOU GET TWO TIMES PER YEAR, BUT FOR, UM, MEDICAL CONDITIONS, IT DOES NOT HAVE, UM, IT DOES NOT HAVE A LIMIT SO JASON, I'M READING THE DEFINITION OF MEETINGS.
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YOU THAT.I THINK IT'S UP TO TWO TIMES, I THINK THE TWO TIMES A YEAR CAN CONDITION MIGHT LET ME HAVE A LOOK ON THAT.
I'M NOT SURE IF THAT TWO TIMES PER YEAR IS WAIVED, IF IT IS A, UM, YEAH.
IT'S TWO TIMES PER YEAR, IF IT'S A PERSONAL MATTER AND IT'S AN UNLIMITED NUMBER, I WAS RIGHT.
IT'S AN UNLIMITED NUMBER IF IT'S, UM, DUE TO A MEDICAL CONDITION.
WHAT, WHAT DID YOU HAVE? SO I'M READING THE, THE MEETING OR MEETINGS MEANS, UM, THE MEETINGS WORK SESSIONS WHEN SITTING PHYSICALLY OR ELECTRONICALLY.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SAYS THAT I THINK THAT, UM, SO MANY OF US ATTEND, THIS IS A SMALL TOWN, SO WE WANT TO ATTEND EVENTS.
A LOT OF US, A LOT OF TIMES WE'RE AT THE SAME EVENTS.
AND SO WHAT THIS SAYS IS LONG AS WE ARE NOT THERE FOR THE TRANSACTION OF ANY PUBLIC BUSINESS OR DISCUSS ANY PUBLIC BUSINESS, WE CAN BE IN THE SAME PLACE, AS LONG AS WE'RE NOT EXECUTING THAT UNDER THE DEFINITION OF MEETING OR MEETING.
AND THERE'S ANOTHER, THERE'S ANOTHER EXCEPTION TO, YOU KNOW, NO PART OF THE PURPOSE OF SUCH GATHERING OR ATTENDANTS IS THE DISCUSSION OR TRANSACTION OF ANY PUBLIC BUSINESS.
SO THAT'S THE FIRST EXCEPTION.
AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ONE AT A PUBLIC FORUM CANDIDATE, APPEARANCE, OR DEBATE.
THE PURPOSE OF WHICH IS TO INFORM THE ELECTORATE AND NOT TO TRANSACT PUBLIC BUSINESS.
SO, YOU KNOW, TWO OF YOU WANT TO GO THERE AND SUPPORT A FELLOW BOARD MEMBER IN BEING REELECTED, WHATEVER.
AND YOU'RE INEVITABLY GOING TO TALK ABOUT SOME PUBLIC ISSUES IN THAT CIRCUMSTANCE.
SO YES, YOU CAN DO THAT IN THOSE TWO CIRCUMSTANCES.
UM, AND, UH, SO THAT, YES, THAT'S CORRECT, BUT IF THERE'S EVER, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER WAY TO THINK ABOUT IT IS, UM, IF THERE'S EVER SORT OF A DEBATE, JUST FOLLOW THE RULES, IT'S NOT THAT COMPLICATED ON THE NOTICE RULE.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, UM, THERE, UM, I THINK, UH, IT'S, THERE IS A, A TOWN AND COUNTY COOPERATIVE DINNER IN SHENANDOAH COUNTY, ALL ITALIAN, ALL GET TOGETHER AND WE ADVISE OUR CLIENTS, YOU KNOW, JUST NOTICE IT AS A MEETING AND YOU TELL THEM EXACTLY WHAT IT IS.
YOU PUT ON YOUR WEBSITE, PUT ON THE OFFICE OF THE CLERK AND IN THE BULLETIN BOARD.
AND IT CAN BE A SIMPLE STATEMENT.
YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY IS GOING TO DINNER AT THE TOWN COUNTY, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, MEETING AT XYZ TIME.
AND THEN YOU'VE COMPLIED WITH THE, WITH A MEETING STUFF.
UM, AND YOU'VE, YOU'VE NOTICED IT.
SO WE ALL, I ASSUME WE'VE ALL BEEN INVITED TO, UM, THE TEACHER LUNCHEON NEXT FRIDAY, WE SHOULD PUT THAT OUT.
THAT WE HAVE BEEN INVITED TO THAT.
THAT WOULD BE THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION.
AND SO, YES, AND, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN, THAT'S KIND OF A JUDGMENT CALL.
ONE, THE BEST ADVICE WOULD BE TO GO AHEAD AND DO THAT.
UH, BECAUSE AGAIN, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T TAKE MUCH TROUBLE TO DO IT.
UM, A CLEARER EXAMPLE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, CHENAULT COUNTY SUPERVISORS WENT TO TORE THE LANDFILL.
AND SO NOTICES OF MEETING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO GO, NOT PLANNING ON REALLY DOING ANYTHING OTHER THAN LOOKING AT WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING, BUT IT IS TO THINK ABOUT PUBLIC BUSINESS OR WHEN THE NEW SHERIFF'S OFFICE WAS BUILT.
THOSE ARE CLEAR EXAMPLES WHERE YOU DO THAT.
UM, BUT IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE BEST PRACTICE TO PUT THAT EVEN FOR A TEACHER RECOGNITION LUNCHEON, ET CETERA.
JU SO JASON, WHAT IF THREE OF US AND WE'VE BEEN THERE, UM, WANT TO SIT IN AND LISTEN TO THE EDA MEETING, YOU CAN DO THAT.
UM, BUT DON'T PARTICIPATE RIGHT.
THAT GENERALLY THAT'S WHAT WE, I KNOW THE THREE OF US WERE AT THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT MEETING LAST WEEK AND WE JUST, WE DIDN'T SIT NEXT TO EACH OTHER.
AND I THINK AT ONE POINT, ONE OF THE MEMBERS TURNED AROUND AND I WAS LIKE, THERE'S THREE OF US.
AND IT, AND IT'S BETTER, FRANKLY, IF THREE OF YOU, AREN'T THERE, BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU'VE GOT THE CAUSE OF ACTION FROM CITIZENS AND YOU GOT THE APPEARANCE.
UH, IF YOU KNOW, THE THREE OF YOU ARE GOING TO BE AT A PARTICULAR EVENT, IT WOULD BE BEST TO TELL DR.
UM, AND IF IT JUST HAPPENS, WELL, SOMETIMES THAT JUST HAPPENS.
UM, BUT IT'S NOT THE BEST PRACTICE.
I WOULDN'T GO SO FAR AS TO TELL YOU THAT YOU HAD TO LEAVE.
UM, BUT IT ISN'T THE BEST THING TO DO.
ISN'T THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT MEETING A PUBLIC MEETING THOUGH.
BUT YOU'RE THE THING IS THAT, ARE YOU HAVING A MEETING TOO? SO, YEAH.
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SO IT HAS TO BE DEFINED SPECIFICALLY THAT THE BOARD IS HAVING THE MEETING VERSUS ATTENDING A MEETING.WELL, AGAIN, REMEMBER THAT, REMEMBER, REMEMBER THAT THE SUPER, SUPER ENCOMPASSING DEFINITION OF MEETING, RIGHT? IT'S GOTTA BE.
SO THE SAFE THING IS, YOU KNOW, THE THREE OF YOU ARE GOING TO BE THERE FOR SOME OTHER COMMITTEE MEETING, YOU KNOW, UH, SUPERVISE CERTAIN SUPERVISORS WILL ATTEND THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT MEETING, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
THAT TIME PLOP IT ON THE WEBSITE.
UM, PUT IT ON THE, YOU KNOW, PRINT IT OUT, PUT AN AD'S OFFICE, WHO'S THE CLERK AND PUT IT ON THE BULLETIN BOARD AND YOU CAN DO THAT.
AND SOME OF THIS HAS GOT TO, YOU KNOW, COME UP WITH SOME JUDGMENTS AND I'M SURE YOU WON'T ALWAYS DO THIS A LITTLE BIT.
THE DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE WE'VE SAID BEFORE BOARD MEMBERS ARE WELCOMED TO COME, IT'S A STAFF PUBLIC BODY LIKE EDA OR THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR THE SCHOOL BOARD OR ANYTHING.
IT'S A GROUP, IT'S THE POWER COMPANY.
THE TOWN UTILITIES IS ON IT'S THE POWER COMPANY, THE TOWN UTILITIES, ET CETERA, THERE, UH, OUR PLANNING STAFF, THE TOWN PLANNING STAFF WHEN THEY PARTICIPATE AND SO FORTH BUILDING INSPECTIONS, BUT IT'S A STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING ON A VARIETY OF PROJECTS.
YEAH, BUT THE ISSUE IS IF THREE OF THEM SHOW UP AND THEN IT BECOMES THAT POTENTIALLY.
AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO ADDRESS AS IT IS NOT OTHERWISE IT'S NOT A PUBLIC.
JOHN, UH, JOHN SMITH WANTS TO COME.
THERE SHOULD BE A REASON FOR THEM TO COME RATHER THAN JUST COME IN THERE AND KIBITZ, UM, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY MORE LIKE WE HAD LAST.
SO THIS IS, UH, LIKE, UH, YOUR EMPLOYEE MEETING EMPLOYEE AND SOME TALENT.
IT'S A, WE'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.
WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS, UH, THE EQUIS PROJECT UP HERE, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE WAREHOUSE BEING BUILT, WHAT'S BEING DONE WITH VARIOUS OTHER PROJECTS.
DO WE HAVE ANY BIG DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA, ET CETERA, THAT TYPE OF THING.
IT'S NOT A, UM, IT'S NOT A GENERAL PUBLIC MEETING.
WELL, YOU AND I MIGHT TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UM, AGAIN, PUBLIC BODY, IT CAN EVEN BE, YOU KNOW, CITIZENS OR, OR EMPLOYEES.
UM, THAT'S PERFORMING A DELEGATED FUNCTION OF THE, UH, OF THE COUNTY, BUT YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT IS IN THE SORT OF YOUR STAFF MEETING AS OPPOSED TO SOMETHING ELSE, BUT YOU CAN ABSOLUTELY.
THE STAFF FIRE AND RESCUE COMES WHEN THEY HAVE SOMETHING ON A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT.
SO THE STANDARD IS ANY COMMITTEE OR OTHER ENTITY, SO IT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE TO BE A COMMITTEE.
HOWEVER, DESIGNATED OF THE PUBLIC BODY CREATED TO PERFORM DELEGATED FUNCTIONS OF THE PUBLIC BODY OR TO ADVISE THE PUBLIC BODY.
SO I THINK HERE, THIS WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN CREATED BY THE PUBLIC BODY OR DESIGNATED BY THE PUBLIC BODY.
THIS IS THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATORS COMMITTEE.
AND I THINK THAT DOES MAKE IT, MAKE IT DIFFERENT.
UM, ALTHOUGH YEAH, I MEAN, IF IT'S, IF IT'S SPECIFICALLY TO ADVISE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AS A RESULT OF THIS MEETING THOSE MEETINGS, THEN IT PROBABLY WOULD BE A PUBLIC BODY, BUT I'M NOT HEARING THAT IT IS NO, IT'S NOT REALLY TO ADVISE THE BOARD ON SOMETHING IT'S TO COMPARE NOTES ON HOW ARE YOU TRACKING THIS PROJECT? WELL, HOW'S THE UTILITY COMPANY TRACKING THIS PROJECT, ET CETERA.
UTILITY, THE ELECTRIC COMPANY CAME INTO ONE OF THESE MEETINGS AND SAID, HEY, THEY'RE ASKING FOR A WHOLE LOT MORE ELECTRIC POWER THAN WHAT THEY HAD TOLD US.
OH, WE NEED TO GO BACK AND CHECK.
THEY MAY BE BUILDING SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE THOUGHT, BRIGHT TYPE DEAL.
SO FOUR YEAR REQUESTS, UM, TAKE A LOT OF TIME TO RESPOND TO.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, EMILY'S LAUGHING OVER THERE.
UM, IT IT'S, WE, YOU KNOW, NOT SO MUCH LATELY, BUT THERE'VE BEEN TIMES DURING PERIODS OF REAL CONTROVERSY WHERE IT'S PRETTY OVERWHELMING TO, TO RESPOND TO EVERYTHING.
AND YOU'VE GOT FIVE DAYS TO PROVIDE A RESPONSE, THE RESPONSE BEING HERE'S YOUR STUFF.
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PORTIONS OF IT BECAUSE OF CODE SECTION X, Y, AND Z.THE VOLUME THAT WE'RE WITHHOLDING IS, YOU KNOW, VOLUME OF 20 PAGES, WHATEVER IT IS, OR WE CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN GIVE IT TO YOU YET.
IT'S BASICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR US TO, TO COMPLY WITH YOUR REQUEST.
AND THEN YOU GET ANOTHER SEVEN DAYS, UM, WHICH STILL IS NOT A WHOLE HECK OF A LOT OF TIME THAT THE COUNTY IS ALLOWED TO MAKE, TO CHARGE THE PERSON WHO'S MAKING THE REQUEST IT'S ACTUAL COST INCURRED IN ACCESSING DUPLICATING, SUPPLYING, OR SEARCHING FOR THE REQUESTED RECORDS.
UM, SO ACTUAL COSTS IN ACCESSING DUPLICATING, SUPPLYING OR SEARCHING.
SO COPY COSTS EMILY'S TIME AND BEATING THE BUSHES, LOOKING FOR THIS STUFF.
NOT MY TIME IN ANALYZING DOCUMENTS TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE SUBJECT TO ONE OF THE EXCLUSIONS OR WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE SOMETHING THAT IF IT IS RELEASED, CAUSE THERE'S OTHER THERE'S PRIVACY PROTECTING INFORMATION THAT IS IN OUR CUSTODY.
SO IS IT, IS IT A SITUATION WHERE IF WE GIVE THIS TO THEM, THEN WE GET SUED.
SO FOYA REQUESTS ARE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT EXPENSE TO WARREN COUNTY.
AND THE ONLY THING THAT YOU GET TO RECOUP ARE THOSE CHARGES FOR ACCESSING DUPLICATING, SUPPLYING, OR SEARCHING FOR, AND YOU ONLY GET TO DO THAT.
IF YOU PASS A POLICY THAT SAYS THAT WE'RE GOING TO CHARGE FOR, UM, FOR FOYA REQUESTS.
AND SO IT'S NOT SIGNED BECAUSE I DON'T THINK I HAVE THE SIGNED VERSION, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE IT WAS SIGNED BY FORMER COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, DOUG STANLEY.
AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT SUPERVISOR MADE WAS POINTING OUT THAT SOME OF THE STUFF'S IS, IT STILL HAS HIS NAME ON IT.
UM, BECAUSE THINGS POLICIES THAT MR. STANLEY HAS ENACTED ARE STILL IN EFFECT UNLESS CHANGED IN THE FUTURE.
AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO KEEP THIS ONE, BECAUSE AGAIN, THE COST OF ACTUALLY THAT ENDS UP GOING TO THE, TO THE PERSON WHO'S DOING THE REQUEST, WHICH IS BOY, USUALLY NOT A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY, 50, 60 BUCKS.
UM, SOMETIMES LESS THAN THAT IS SOMETIMES, I MEAN, REALLY THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG ON WHAT IT ACTUALLY HAS COST IT, ESPECIALLY IF IT INVOLVES ME IN, IN DEALING WITH THIS STUFF, I'VE HAD A SITUATION WHERE I'VE HAD TO LOOK AT 800 PAGES WHERE THE RECORDS ON, YOU KNOW, A DAY OR TWO'S NOTICE AND IT'S, UM, NOT, NOT PLEASANT.
SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU ALWAYS TO CHARGE FOR THOSE REQUESTS BECAUSE THEY DO NOT COVER YOUR COSTS ANYWAY, UH, OR, OR EVEN REALLY CLOSE TO THAT.
CAN YOU CHANGE THE NAME ON IT WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH ALL THAT? I DON'T NEED TO CHANGE THE NAME ON IT.
I MEAN, IF, IF ED WANTS TO SIGN THIS EMILY'S NAME IS MALES ON SOME OF THESE DOCUMENTS.
UH, WE, YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO GET THIS OUT TO Y'ALL AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
AND, UM, I NOTICED THAT AND TALKED TO EMILY.
I DIDN'T REALIZE SHE WAS GOING TO CHANGE IT AS FAST AS SHE WOULD HAVE HER EYES, I WOULD HAVE HELD IT.
UM, BUT SHE HAS ALREADY FIXED AND ALREADY ON YOUR WEBSITE IS, IS SOME CORRECTIONS THERE ON THAT.
UM, SO YEAH, IT IS, IT IS NOW UPDATED WITH THE RIGHT LAST NAMES, UH, ET CETERA.
AND THAT MIGHT'VE BEEN MORE OF YOUR QUESTION, A SUPERVISOR MAY.
UH CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION GOING BACK TO THE MEETINGS ADVERTISED VERSUS INTERNAL? SO WOULD AN ADVERTISE MEETING BE LIKE A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING ALL COMMISSION MEETINGS, IF YOU WILL PLANNING AIRPORT.
SO WITH THOSE TYPE OF MEETINGS, HAVING MORE THAN ONE SUPERVISOR IS OKAY, AS LONG AS WE DON'T PARTICIPATE IN THE MEETING, UNLESS THEY'RE PART OF THE COMMISSION OR SO I'M GOING TO SORT OF LIKE TWO LAYERS OF MEETINGS GOING ON HERE.
SO THERE'LL BE A MEETING OF THE, LET'S USE THE AIRPORT COMMISSION MEETING OF THE AIRPORT COMMISSION, WHICH IS A, I UNDERSTAND A PUBLIC BODY, SO THEY WOULD HAVE A MEETING, BUT THEN IF THREE SUPERVISORS SHOW UP AND START TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC BUSINESS, WELL, THEN YOU'VE GOT A COUNTY SUPERVISOR MEETING AS WELL.
WE HAVE LIKE DOUBLE LAYER ON THAT.
WHEN YOU SAY PUBLIC BUSINESS, IS THAT ANY PUBLIC BUSINESS EXAMPLE BEING IF THREE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS WENT TO THE TOWN COUNCIL AND THE TALENT COUNCIL IS CONDUCTING PUBLIC BUSINESS, BUT NOT COUNTING PUBLIC BUSINESS, THEY'RE CONDUCTING THEIR OWN PUBLIC BUSINESSES.
DOES THAT COUNT AS A, AN ISSUE OR ARE THEY THREE OF THEM ALLOWED TO BE THERE? UH, THREE OF THEM ARE ALLOWED TO BE THERE TO OBSERVE.
AS LONG AS NO PART OF IT INVOLVES THE, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSION OR TRANSACTION OF PUBLIC BUSINESS BY
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THOSE SUPERVISORS.I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT IS ALREADY A, IT'S A TOWN MEETING AND IT'S A PUBLIC MEETING AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I WOULD TRUST THAT THEY WOULD HAVE FOLLOWED THOSE RULES.
UM, BUT THEN YOU, YOU KNOW, IF THREE OF YOU WERE THERE AND EVEN, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE IN THE BACK TALKING SHOP OR, YOU KNOW, YOU START SORT OF CHIME IN WITH THINGS, UM, THAT W THAT COULD BE PROBLEMATIC AND AGAIN, BEST PRACTICES TO NOT DO THAT.
AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT, IF THREE OF YOU ARE GOING TO BE AT THE SAME PLACE AT ONCE, UM, TELL ED, AND HE CAN, YOU KNOW, PUT THE NOTICE TOGETHER.
IT'S THE WORK OF A FEW MINUTES AND AN OUNCE OF PREVENTION FOUND A CURE TYPE OF THING.
SO TO COME TO OUR, THE TOWN COUNCIL, THE AIRPORT COMMISSION, ET CETERA, THEY ARE EITHER ELECTED OR APPOINTED THE DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE BACK HERE.
THAT'S JUST HAND PICKED, SAY, HEY, CAN YOU COME TO THE MEAN SELF PIT TO COME TO THE MEETING? IF, IF WE KNOW THAT THREE MEMBERS ARE COMING, THEN WE SHOULD HAVE IT AS A PUBLIC NOTICE.
BUT IF ONLY TO COME, THEY CAN COME AND ASK QUESTIONS AT THE MEETING IF THEY SO DESIRE.
AND YOU CAN MEET, YOU KNOW, TWO BY TWO TO TALK ABOUT THINGS.
THERE IS ONE EXCEPTION TO THIS JUST SEEMS SO CRAZY TO ME THAT I'VE, I'VE NOT SEEN THIS IN FORCE, BUT IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, UH, DEFINITION OF MEETING, IT SAYS, UM, OR AN INFORMAL ASSEMBLAGE OF AS MANY AS THREE MEMBERS OF, OR A QUORUM, IF LESS THAN THREE OF THE CONSTITUENT MEMBERSHIP.
SO FOYA ANTICIPATES THAT YOU COULD HAVE A THREE MEMBER COMMITTEE AND THEN THOSE THEN TWO MEMBERS OF THE QUORUM, AND THEN THAT'S A MEETING.
SO THAT IS, THAT REALLY MEAN MR. X CAN'T TALK TO MR. Y AND I THINK IT LITERALLY DOES, BUT ALSO THINK THAT'S CRAZY.
UM, SO FOR WHATEVER THAT'S WORTH SO BEST NOT TO HAVE THREE MEMBER COMMITTEES, HONESTLY, TO TRY TO AVOID THAT TOO.
IT'S A FOUR-YEAR REQUIREMENT THAT YOU TAKE MINUTES.
THAT'S THE STATE GENERALLY, WHAT'S HAPPENING AT YOUR, UH, MEETINGS AND THAT YOU POST THOSE MINUTES ON, ON YOUR WEBSITE, WHICH, WHICH YOU DO.
UM, IT'S A FOUR-YEAR REQUIREMENT THAT YOU ALL GET FOR YOUR TRAINING.
YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO READ THEM, BECOME FAMILIAR WITH FOYA TWO WEEKS AFTER YOUR APPOINTMENT OR ELECTION.
AND THEN YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO GET YOUR TRAINING EVERY TWO YEARS.
AND SO THIS IS YOUR FOIL TRAINING, AND YOU'VE DONE THAT NOW.
DAILY, WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS EVERY TWO YEARS.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE WITH ME.
IT CAN ALSO BE VIA THE FOYA, UM, WEBSITE TRAINING, WHICH I UNDERSTAND HAS BEEN DOWN, WHICH I FIND ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLY IRONIC.
AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, WHILE I GOT SOME SMILING FACES, YOU KNOW, EVERY YEAR, UM, I LOOK AT FOIL THREE, FOUR TIMES A WEEK.
ALL OF MY CLIENTS HAVE FOI QUESTIONS ALL THE TIME.
SO IT CHANGES QUITE A BIT EVERY YEAR AND THEN SHEM GENERALISTS.
AND WE FILL IT WITH THE FIDDLES WITH THIS MORE THAN ANY OTHER LAW I'VE EVER SEEN.
SO THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING NEW.
AND SO I, BECAUSE I'M OLD SCHOOL, I PRINT IT OUT.
I PUT STICKIES ON IT AND I WRITE ON IT AND STUFF.
AND THEN I THROW AWAY THE ONE IN JULY AND I ASKED MY PARALEGAL, YOU KNOW, PRINT ME FOYA 20, 22.
SO SHE GETS UP THERE AND THERE'S A WARNING, YOU KNOW, NOT UPDATED.
SO FOR ABOUT THE FIRST MONTH YOU WERE REQUIRED TO KNOW FOYA, BUT THEY WOULDN'T TELL YOU WHAT IT SAID.
SO THAT'S THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY IN ITS INFINITE WISDOM OR COVID SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES WHERE THEY COULDN'T GET SOME COMPUTER BIT OR WHATEVER ELSE IT MIGHT BE.
SO THAT'S KIND OF IT WITH RESPECT TO MY, MY, UM, PREPARED THINGS.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.
HOPE I HAVE NEITHER SCARED NOR BORED YOU.
WELL, MAYBE SCARES YOU A LITTLE BIT, BUT I HOPE I HAVEN'T BORED.
AS AMENDED UP-TO-DATE FOR 2022.
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IT, DIDN'T DID NOT GET IT.SO LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU GO TO SPECIFIC ITEMS,
THIS SECTION WASN'T ENDED IN WHICH SPECIFIC SUB-SECTIONS WHERE A MANIFEST, FOR INSTANCE, I THINK EVERYBODY WANTS TO SET UP HERE.
SO WHEREVER YOU'RE COMFORTABLE THERE, UM, THE LEGISLATION
I MEAN, I GOT IT, BUT I TOOK INTO ACCOUNT WHAT YOU SAID YESTERDAY.
WHENEVER YOU GUYS WANT TO START MY JACKET.
IS IT, IS IT AWKWARD FOR YOU? BECAUSE I'M GOOD FOR MOVING IF I DON'T KNOW.
[Work Session Item B. Health and Human Services Complex Renovations for the Senior Center – Jeff Hayes/Alisa Scott]
YOU GUYS ARE READY, THE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES COMPLEX RENOVATION SO FAR, UH, WE'RE ABOUT ONE 40 NOW.WE'RE JUST GOING TO GIVE YOU SOME QUICK BACKGROUND ABOUT THE SENIOR CENTER AND HOW IT CAME ABOUT.
SO I THINK ON THE SCREEN, NO, I THOUGHT ABOUT IT, BUT I THINK THERE'LL BE A HASSLE.
DID YOU WANT TO, YOU WON'T BE AN ASSET.
IT WAS JUST THE SKETCH OF THE, WHICH YOU ALL PROBABLY BEEN OVER THERE.
SO YOU MIGHT BE FAMILIAR ABOUT, AND IF NOT, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD TOUR TO GO ON AT THE SPOT OF THE NEW SENIOR CENTER.
DID YOU GET YOUR TOUR? YES, THE 13TH AND 14TH BATHROOM THAT'S BEEN REMODELED AND THAT'S ONE OF THE SUICIDE AND ALL THAT CAN I HAVE ALL OF IT SAVED, BUT OKAY.
SO IT, WE STARTED PROBABLY TALKING ABOUT IT IN 2013 ISH WHEN WE WERE UPDATING OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND WE ACTUALLY, IT WAS PROBABLY BACK IN 2006 OR WHEN WE, WE DID A FACILITIES PLAN, UM, AND LOOKED AT ALL THE DIFFERENT FACILITIES.
UM, UM, MOSLEY HAD, HAD DONE AN ESTIMATE OF THIS SPACE.
WE WERE COMBINING ALL OF THE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES, UM, KIND OF THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES, SENIOR CENTER.
UM, AND THEN WE'VE ADDED IT TO THE VOTER REGISTRAR AND THEN THE SCHOOLS HAS THIS SPACE OVER THERE.
UM, SO WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS IT'S ABOUT 8,400 SQUARE FEET.
UM, CURRENTLY THE SENIOR CENTER IS BY CHIMNEY FIELD.
THEY'RE IN A BUILDING, I DON'T KNOW THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THAT BUILDING 2500 2500 SQUARE FEET.
IT'S NOT, IT, DEBT'S NOT VERY ACCESSIBLE.
UM, FOR THEM IT'S SMALL, THE KITCHEN, SMALL, UM, AND THEY PREPARE MEALS FOR, UM, THE SENIORS, AS, AS YOU HEARD THE DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES THIS MORNING WAS SPEAKING ABOUT, AND THEY ALSO, UM, SHANDOR AREA AGENCY ON AGING, UM, STAFF SET.
AND AT, AT WHEN WE FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT IT, THEY WERE GOING TO MOVE THEIR MAIN OFFICE HERE IN THAT SPACE.
BUT SINCE THEN THEY FOUND ANOTHER SPACE.
SO THIS WILL SOLELY BE FOR THE SENIOR CENTER.
AND, UM, MOST I'M SORRY, BE SENIOR CENTER FOR WARREN COUNTY.
SO THEY, THEY AREA ON AGING WAS GOING TO MOVE THEIR ENTIRE OFFICE HERE.
UM, AND IT WAS GOING TO BE COMBINED WITH OUR SENIOR CENTER, BUT NOW IT WILL JUST BE FOR THE WARREN COUNTY SENIOR CENTER.
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AND THEY, UM, SO THEY PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION FOR PHYSICIAN APPOINTMENTS, MEDICAL TREATMENTS, AND DIALYSIS.THEY PREVAIL PROVIDE MEALS ON WHEELS, INSURANCE, COUNSELING, INFORMATION, AND REFERRALS ASSISTANCE WITH APPLYING FOR BENEFITS, UM, ACTIVITIES FOR SENIORS.
AND THE, SO THE SPACE THAT WE'RE RENOVATING IS THE OLD CAFETERIA, UM, THAT USED TO BE THE JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL.
AND THERE'S A NICE KITCHEN AREA.
UM, WE'VE REVISED WHAT MOSLEY HAD PROVIDED TO US BECAUSE THAT WAS GOING TO BE AT THAT TIME, IT WAS ABOUT $1.3 MILLION TOWARDS THE ESTIMATE.
AND THERE WERE, THEY WERE MOVING THE RESTROOMS FROM WHERE THEY CURRENTLY WERE.
UM, THERE'S JUST SOME THINGS THAT WE DIDN'T THINK WOULD BE NECESSARY, MOVING WALLS, MOVING PLUMBING.
SO WE'VE COME BACK AND TRY TO USE THE EXISTING WALLS AND EXISTING AREAS AND JUST REFURBISH THOSE AREAS.
AND OUR STAFF, OUR STAFF IS DOING A LOT OF THE WORK, UM, OUR PUBLIC WORK STAFF AND THEY DO A GREAT JOB AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE KIND OF JUST GOING OVER AND WORKING WHEN THEY HAVE TIME.
UM, JEFF HAS BEEN MANAGING THE PROJECT AND HE CAN GO OVER WHAT WE'VE, WE'VE SPENT ABOUT 140,000 SO FAR.
THERE WAS THAT I HAD PUT A MEMO IN YOUR PACKETS MAYBE LAST MONTH ABOUT WHAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR.
UM, DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT, UH, WE'VE ALREADY REPLACED THE, UM, THE, UH, AIR CONDITIONING IN THE HALL AND ALSO THE AIR CONDITIONING IN THE KITCHEN AREA.
WE'RE AT 95% COMPLETE WHERE THE WALK-IN FREEZERS ARE.
AND ALSO, UH, WE'RE THE TWO CLASSROOMS ARE ON THE BOTTOM HERE.
WE'VE ALREADY PAINTED, PUT NEW FLOORING IN NEW LIGHTING, NEW CEILING TILES.
UH, WE DO WANT TO TAKE ONE OF THE ROOMS AND SPLIT IT IN HALF AND THEY'LL START HOLDING CLASSES LIKE SENIORS.
UM, SOCIAL SERVICE WILL COME OVER AND TALK TO THEM SO WE CAN START BRINGING PEOPLE IN TO EDUCATE AND FIND OUT WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE.
SO THAT'LL BE A DEDICATED CLASSROOM.
THEN WE'RE ALSO DOING A BASIC, I CALL IT A CRAFT ROOM, BUT THE NEED FOR THE COMMUNITY WITH WORKING WITH ELDERLY, A LOT OF CHILDREN ARE TAKING CARE OF THEIR PARENTS NOW.
SO IT GIVES THEM A PLACE TO DROP THEM OFF.
WHY THEY GO DO SOME CHORES, SHOPPING, DONE, THAT KIND OF STUFF.
SO, UM, THAT'S THE REASON WE DEVELOPED THAT KIND OF ROOM.
THERE WILL BE PLENTY OF ROOM IN THE DINING HALL AREA TO ADD ROOMS OR DIVIDE OR WHEREVER WE NEED TO, AS WE DEVELOP IN THE OUT YEARS.
SO WE WON'T HAVE TO MOVE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S HARD TO FILL THAT BIG, HUGE ROOM.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO COMPARTMENT REALIZE IT.
SO WE'LL HAVE AVAILABILITY TO EXPAND LATER WITHOUT BUILDING.
SO WHERE'S THE CRAFT ROOM AND, UH, THE OTHER ROOM, THE TABLE TALKING TOP.
THIS SHOULD BE THE CRAFT ROOM.
THERE SHOULD BE A LAUNDRY ROOM HERE WILL BE A SHOUT, RIGHT? WE'RE GOING TO SPLIT THE, AND THAT'S THE KITCHEN AND THEN THAT AREA, THAT OPEN AREA ONE TO YOUR RIGHT, THAT'S GOING TO BE A FENCED IN YOUR AREA.
RIGHT NOW WE BUDGETED AT A HUNDRED, UH, 850 IS WHAT WE ASKED FOR.
AND BY DOING THIS AND USING OUR STAFF AND PICKING AND CHOOSING SMALL AREAS, WE'RE ABLE TO KEEP THAT DOWN RIGHT NOW.
UH, HAD TO MOVE SOME THINGS AROUND COST OF BATHROOM.
REMODEL CAME IN A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN WE THOUGHT, BUT LUCKY THE AIR CONDITIONINGS WAS MUCH LOWER THAN I WAS ANTICIPATING.
SO WE'VE BEEN MOVING PRETTY WELL.
WE'VE GOT THREE ROOMS DONE AS I GET STAFF.
WE'RE TRYING TO BRING THEM OVER EVERY THURSDAY AND WE'RE JUST DOING A SINGLE ROOM AT A TIME AND WE'RE ON OUR THIRD ROOM AND WE'RE ALMOST DONE WITH IT,
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BUT NOW WE HAVE TO GET TO CONSTRUCTION AND WE HAVE TO DO THE BATHROOMS THAT WE CANNOT DO THAT OURSELVES.AND THAT'S WHERE WE'VE COME TO CLS AND WE'VE GOT A SET OF PLANS AND WE SENT THAT OUT.
THESE ARE THE BATHROOMS. WELL, IT WAS EITHER TEAR THEM OUT OR THEY WOULDN'T FLUSH.
OR THEY GOT TO USE THE NEW BATHROOM
[Work Session Item C. Discussion – Job Order Contracting Process – Alisa Scott]
SO WE HAVE THE PERMITTING READY TO GO.WE'VE GOT THE PLANS FROM THE ARCHITECT AND, UH, WE CAN TAKE THIS PROJECT OUT TO BID OR, UM, THE OTHER OPTION IS CALLED JOB ORDER CONTRACTING.
UM, JOB ORDER CONTRACTING IS A FAIRLY NEW PROCESS FOR WARREN COUNTY.
UH, THE SCHOOLS USE IT QUITE FREQUENTLY FOR DIFFERENT RENOVATION INSTALLATION PROJECTS IT'S UM, IN THE VIRGINIA CODE.
AND IT'S ALSO PART OF THE NEW PROCUREMENT POLICY ADOPTED ON JULY ONE.
IT'S A METHOD OF PROCURING CONSTRUCTION BY ESTABLISHING A BOOK OF UNIT PRICES AND THEN OBTAINING A CONTRACTOR TO PERFORM THE WORK AS NEEDED USING THE PRICES, QUANTITIES, AND SPECIFICATIONS.
UH, IT'S MORE LIKE A CATALOG TYPE ORDERING EXPERIENCE.
UH, MORE SIMPLY STATED A JOB ORDER CONTRACT IS A TERM CONTRACT FOR CONSTRUCTION WORK.
UM, IT'S BEST SUITED FOR RENOVATION, ROOFING, UH, ACCESSIBILITY IMPROVEMENTS LIKE ADA IMPROVEMENTS TO YOUR SIDEWALKS, INTO YOUR BUILDINGS.
UM, PROJECTS WITH ELEMENTS THAT ARE DIFFICULT TO QUANTIFY SUCH AS MASONRY REPAIRS REPLACEMENT OF ROTTING, WOOD, ET CETERA.
SO IT'S, UM, STRUCTURED AS A TERM CONTRACT FOR WORK WITHIN US, BUT THINGS I'M REALLY APPRECIATE THAT, UH, WITHIN A SPECIFIC GEOGRAPHIC REGION.
SO THE CODE OF VIRGINIA LIMITS THE TERM TO 12 MONTHS, UH, PROJECT ORDERS ARE LIMITED TO $500,000 PER PROJECT, AND NO MORE THAN $6 MILLION IN WORK CAN BE ISSUED WITHOUT, UH, WITHIN ONE TERM.
SO THIS IS A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION FROM GORDIAN, WHICH IS THE COMPANY THAT HAS BEEN AWARDED THE JOB ORDER CONTRACTING CONTRACT BY THE STATE OF VIRGINIA.
SO THIS IS FROM THEM, UH, IT'S INFORMATION THAT THEY'VE GIVEN TO US IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO DEMONSTRATE THE PROCESS OF WHAT JOB ORDER CONTRACTING LOOKS LIKE.
SO IT'S, UM, VERY HEAVY FOCUSED ON THE PROCUREMENT ASPECT OF IT BECAUSE WHAT A JOB ORDER CONTRACT DOES IS IT ELIMINATES THE PROCESS OF HAVING THE PROCUREMENT STAFF GO THROUGH THE COMPETITIVE PROCESS BY ALREADY TAKING CARE OF THAT FOR THEM.
SO YOU'LL SEE, IN THE, THE CONTRACT, THE INVOICE OF 5% FEE, PART OF THAT IS THE ADMINISTRATION WORK THAT WENT INTO ALREADY PERFORMING THE WORK THAT PROCURED THE CONTRACTORS.
IT IS A COMPETITIVE PROCESS WHERE IT'S SPLIT INTO THE REGIONS OF VIRGINIA.
I BELIEVE IT'S THE FIRE CODE REGIONS OF VIRGINIA.
SO AT OUR NORTHERN AREA, THEY USE CONTRACTORS WHO ARE LOCAL TO THIS AREA.
UM, AND THEY'VE REACHED OUT TO CONTRACTORS ASKING THEM IF THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING IN THIS PROCESS.
SO IT'S A UNIT PRICING ASKING LOCAL CONTRACTORS IF THEY WANT TO PARTICIPATE AND THEN AWARDING THE CONTRACTS ON A SCHEDULE WHO'S EVER SCHEDULED ALLOWS FOR THAT CONSTRUCTION TO HAPPEN.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, UM, LANCE CONSTRUCTION IS, UM, USED A LOT BY THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL WARREN COUNTY.
A LOT OF LOCAL GOVERNMENTS USE LANCE CONSTRUCTION.
UH, THEY WERE ASKED TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS JOB ORDER CONTRACTING, UH, WHEN THEY FIRST ROLLED OUT AND WERE AWARDED THE CONTRACTS.
ACCORDING TO GORDON DID NOT CHOOSE TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT, BUT THERE WERE OTHER LOCAL COMPANIES THAT DID DECIDE THAT THEY WANTED TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT.
SO MAKING SURE THAT WE CREATE A POSITIVE VENDOR ENVIRONMENT FOR DOING BUSINESS IN WARREN COUNTY WITH INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO BID, EXCUSE ME, BUT JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE, WE AGREED THAT THIS PROJECT, WE ARE GOING TO BE WHAT
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WE ARE GOING TO EXPLAIN THIS.SO TO UNDERSTAND HOW THE OTHER, HOW THIS PROCESS WORKS FOR FUTURE, BUT THIS PROJECT NEXT WEEK, WE'RE GOING TO BID THIS PROJECT RIGHT HERE, BUT WE WANT TO SEE HOW GORDIAN GETS OTHER, HOW EVERYBODY HAS AN OPPORTUNITY, THE TEAM, RATHER THAN SOMEBODY THAT THEY, OR OKAY.
NOW, CAN YOU RUN THE INFORMATION SIMULTANEOUSLY? I MEAN, YOU'RE GOING TO DO THE BID PROCESS AND THEN YOU DO THIS TO SEE HOW CLOSE THEY ACTUALLY ARE.
I MEAN, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT DOES THIS, THE INFORMATION IS ALREADY OUT THERE AND IT'S PUBLIC INFORMATION.
SO WE WILL DEFINITELY BE GETTING A LOWER BID BECAUSE IF WE DON'T GET A LOWER BID THAN WE WOULD BE GOING WITH THE JOB ORDER CONTRACT, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE THE LOWER BED, BUT YOU'RE LOOKING TO DO THIS, CORRECT.
AT SOME POINT IN TIME, YOU'RE LOOKING INTO POSSIBLY.
UH, WE HAD FIRST CONSIDERED THIS PROJECT FOR A JOB ORDER CONTRACT AND WE DID GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND HAD IT FULLY, UH, QUOTED ESTIMATED.
AND SO THAT WAS, I BELIEVE THE LAST MEETING, UM, THE AWARD WAS UP FOR CONSIDERATION AT THE LAST MEETING.
SO WE WERE CONSIDERING USING THAT.
AND THEN I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS WITH YOU FOR FUTURE PROJECTS IF THIS PROJECT, SO WHY DID WE NOT CONSIDER THIS AS AN OPTION TO GO? WHY, WHY ARE, WHY DID WE GO OFF AND GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS WITH GORDIAN? AND NOW WE'RE CHANGING OUR POSITION.
AND NOW WE'RE SAYING, NOW WE'RE GOING TO DO COMPETITIVE BID.
SO WHAT HAPPENED BECAUSE WE HADN'T BEEN GOING ON COMPETITIVE BIDS ALL ALONG, AND THEN SUDDENLY TWO WEEKS AGO, MORNING THREW IN WITH THIS ABRACADABRA, WHERE'D THIS COME FROM? THAT WAS WHY WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS LIKE TO MAKE SURE YOU KNOW, THAT EVERYBODY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY AND THEN EVERYBODY IN ALLIANCE OR WHOMEVER HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET ON THE PROJECT.
WELL, I UNDERSTAND THE OPPORTUNITY.
SO GORE IS GORD, W W WE'RE GOING TO GO TO A CON A BID GORDY, AND IS STILL PART OF THIS SELECTION PROCESS.
THEY MADE IT, THEIR BID IS WHAT THEY PROPOSE IS CHEAPER THAN WHAT WE GET ON OUR OWN BEDS.
THEN YES, IF ANOTHER, IF WE GET A COMPETITIVE BID THAT IS CHEAPER THAN BOARDING AND THEN NO.
SO THE EVALUATION CRITERIA HERE IS A COST IT'S IT'S.
WHEN YOU SAID SET OUT A COMPETITIVE BED, IT'S BASED OFF OF THREE FACTORS, IT'S COMPARE IT'S LOWEST PRICE, IT'S RESPONSIBLE AND RESPONSIVENESS.
SO, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO HELP UNDERSTAND OR HELP EVERYONE UNDERSTAND.
WE DON'T JUST GO AS LOW AS BABY, GO WITH A CONTRACTOR WHO IS RESPONSIBLE.
SO THEY HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THEY ARE FINANCIALLY RESPONSIBLE.
AND IN PREVIOUS EXPERIENCES HAVE NOT ALSO BEEN TO BARD BY THE COUNTY OR THE STATE, AND THEN IN THEIR BID, THEY ALSO HAVE TO BE RESPONSIVE TO THE BED.
THEY CAN'T CHANGE NUMBERS, THEY CAN'T PUT ALTERNATE DIFFERENT TYPES OF PRODUCTS AND LABOR INTO WHAT THEY THINK THAT THEY'RE RESPONDING TO.
SO LOWEST, RESPONSIVE AND RESPONSIBLE BIDDER ARE THE THREE CRITERIA FOR MAKING THAT AWARD DECISION.
NOW, IF WE DECIDE TO TAKE THIS OUT TO BID AFTER THIS IS PUBLIC INFORMATION, WE WILL GET A LOWER BID INITIALLY.
BUT I'M CONCERNED THAT IF WE DO THAT, THERE WILL BE THE POTENTIAL FOR CHANGE ORDERS LATER BECAUSE IT WASN'T CONSIDERED INITIALLY.
SO THIS COULD STILL POTENTIALLY BE AN OPTION TO USE JOB ORDER CONTRACTING.
BUT AT LEAST WE HAVE A COMPARISON WHERE HERE WE DON'T HAVE A TRUE COMPARISON.
AND BY DOING, UM, GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO OTHERS, WE CAN COMPARE.
AND I'M SURE JEFF IS GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE QUALITY OF WHAT THEY ARE SAYING THEY CAN DO THIS WITH IS COMPARABLE.
ALTHOUGH IF YOU GET 10 BEDS ON IT, KNOWING HOW JEFF IS, UH, PARTICULAR ABOUT THINGS, HE'S GOT TO LOOK AT IT AND SAY, WELL, THIS ONE'S GOING TO TOTAL LOW GRADE WHERE EVERYBODY ELSE IS ON THE SAME LINE.
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SO I, YOU KNOW, AND I'M SURE THE PEOPLE DO THAT, BUT, UM, ALSO I THINK IT'S, WE'RE GOING TO ADVERTISE THIS.SO ALL THE LOCAL CONTRACTORS GET A, A CHANCE THAT HAVE THE RIGHT CONTRACTOR CLASSIFICATION LICENSE, CORRECT? YEAH.
AND THEY WERE ALSO ASKED TO BE A PROCESS PART OF THE PROCESS FOR JOB ORDER CONTRACTING BEFORE AS WELL.
SO BOTH, BOTH LEVELS ARE COMPETITIVE, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO BEING ABLE TO HAVE CONTRACTOR SELECTION.
SO JUST TO UNDERSTAND THIS, THIS MODEL, SO GORDIAN WENT OUT AND DID THEIR INTERNAL COMPETITIVE BID, AND THEY WERE CERTAIN, UM, COMPANIES THAT DID COME BACK WITH THEIR BIDS.
SOME WERE LOCAL COMPANIES, SOME WERE NOT LOCAL COMPANIES.
AND THEN GORDIAN DID THE INTERNAL SELECTION PROCESS.
AND NOW HAS COME TO US SAYING, THIS IS THE BEST, UM, UH, OFFER IF YOU WILL.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT BACK TO THE PROCESS, BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT'S A PART THAT, UM, WE'RE NOT CLEAR ON.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR IT'S, UM, IT'S ABOUT THIS SCHEDULE.
THE MATTHEWS GROUP WAS THE ONE WHO SUBMITTED A QUOTE TO THE COUNTY AND IT'S BASED OFF OF UNIT PRICING.
SO WHEN GORDIAN TAKES THESE PROPOSALS FROM THESE CONTRACTORS, THEY'VE ALL HAD ALL AGREED THAT THEY ARE GOING TO ACCEPT THE UNIT PRICING.
SO THE UNIT PRICING GOES DIRECTLY TO THE MATTHEWS GROUP, THAT'S THE CONTRACTOR.
AND THEN THE 5% GOES DIRECTLY TO GORDIAN FOR BEING ABLE TO SET UP THIS CONTRACT AND MAKE SURE THAT THE ESTIMATES COMING EXACTLY HOW THEY NEED TO COME IN WITH VERY MINIMAL CHANGE ORDERS DOWN THE ROAD.
THE UNIT PRICING SETS A CATALOG FOR BEING ABLE TO PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT'S REQUIRED FOR RENOVATING THE BATHROOM VERSUS RENOVATING THE CRAFT ROOM VERSUS RENOVATING THE HALLWAY.
SO DIFFERENT TYPES OF SKILLS AND MATERIALS ARE INVOLVED.
AND THAT'S HOW THE MATTHEWS GROUP HAS BROKEN OUT.
THEIR INVOICE IS WHAT THEY'VE ESTIMATED NEEDS TO BE DONE FOR THIS WORK, WHICH CAME IN FAIRLY CLOSE TO THE ORIGINAL ESTIMATE THAT, UH, JEFF HAD RECEIVED.
THEN THAT TOTAL ESTIMATE IS GOING TO BE THE SAME FROM ANY CONTRACTOR FROM GORDIAN BASED OFF OF THE UNIT PRICING.
IT'S BASED OFF OF THE SCHEDULE, IT'S BASED OFF OF WHO'S AVAILABLE TO BE ABLE TO PERFORM THE WORK WHEN IT NEEDS TO BE PERFORMED.
SO THEIR CATALOG OF WORK, THEORETICALLY INCLUDES WHATEVER THE COSTS ARE TO INSTALL IT.
ARE THEY ALSO MANAGING THAT PROJECT TOO? AND YOU'RE BEING THE SUPERVISOR OF THE MANAGEMENT OR A PROJECT MANAGER.
THEY ALSO HAVE A SUPERINTENDENT AS WELL, ALL IN THAT 5%.
IT IS THE CONTRACTORS PROJECT MANAGER AND THE CONTRACTORS SUPERINTENDENT, BUT THAT 5% FOR GORDIAN IS JUST A FINDER'S FEE.
THAT'S NOT A PROJECT MANAGER FEE.
SO WE PAY THEM, I THINK WHAT WAS THE ESTIMATE AROUND 18, YEAH.
AND THAT, THAT COST IS TO BE ABLE TO PROCURE THE CONTRACTORS AND MAKE SURE THEIR ESTIMATORS GO THROUGH AND MAKE SURE, LIKE I SAID, THAT THOSE UNIT PRICING IS MORE ACCURATE THAN NOT ON THE ESTIMATE.
AND THEN THEY ALSO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND THEY'RE THERE THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS FOR CHANGE ORDERS.
UM, THE WAY THAT IT WAS DESCRIBED TO ME IS THAT THE GORDIAN, UH, COMPANY, AND THEN ALSO THE MATTHEWS GROUP, THEY DON'T WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO SO MANY CHANGE ORDERS BECAUSE IF WE HAVE ANOTHER PROJECT COMING UP IN SIX MONTHS, WE'RE NOT GOING TO THE LIKELIHOOD OF US GOING BACK TO THEM IS GOING TO BE SLIM BECAUSE WE KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE THAT THEY TACK ON THOSE CHANGE ORDERS AT THE END OF THE PROJECT, WHEN IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ESTIMATED IN THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE PROJECT.
SO THEIR GOAL IS TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT ON TIME AND WITHIN BUDGET AND MINIMIZE THOSE CHANGE ORDERS.
I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE DON'T KNOW AT THIS POINT IS HOW LONG THEIR PRICES GOOD FOR, THEY SENT THAT OVER A MONTH.
I CHECKED WITH THE GORDIAN GROUP AND THERE, THEIR PRICING IS GOOD UNTIL WE DECIDED TO CUT THAT PURCHASE ORDER.
IF WE DECIDE TO DO THAT, UM, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO LAST UNTIL WE RETURN.
WE GET THE BIDS BACK, BUT I'M NOT QUITE SURE ABOUT THAT.
UM, I CAN LOOK INTO THAT, BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, THE PRICING IS GOOD.
NOW ALSO THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT IS THAT THIS CONTRACT WILL BE A FIRM FIXED PRICE CONTRACT IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
RATHER THAN A FOR US CONTRACTS.
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PRICE CONTRACT.THEY WOULD MISS RISK MITIGATE IN THEIR PRICES ARE.
AND WHAT I UNDERSTAND WITH GORDIAN WITH THAT, UM, A PERCENTAGE, THEY'RE ALL GOING TO CALL IT, UM, YOU KNOW, GNA, I'M SORRY, GENERAL ADMINISTRATION, I'M GOING TO CALL IT THAT, BUT ANY EVENT.
SO OUT OF THAT 5% G AND A COSTS THAT GORDON HAS PUT ONTO THEIR CONTRACT IS TO MANAGE THE FIRM.
FIXED PRICE CONTRACT IS SHARING.
IT WOULD BE LIKE A RISK MITIGATION ON OUR PART THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GO OVER UNDER, AND IT WILL MANAGE THE COSTS.
WHEREAS IF WE GO TO A COMPETITIVE BID, WE REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OTHER CONTRACTORS ARE GONNA COME IN.
RIGHT? UNLESS THE RFP GOES OUT SAYING THAT WE ARE SEARCHING FOR A FIRM FIXED PRICE CONTRACT.
WE WOULD DO A LUMP SUM AWARD FOR A FIRM FIXED PRICE CONTRACT.
WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND IF WE DIDN'T DO A LUMP SUM.
IF WE DID A BID FORM, WE'D BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND HOW THE PRICES ARE BROKEN OUT AND WHAT WE COULD ELIMINATE POTENTIALLY.
IF WE SAW ROOM FOR THAT, OR IF WE NEEDED TO HAVE SOMETHING ADDED, WE HAVE UNIT PRICING THAT'S FIRM.
SO WE DO A FIRM FIXED PRICE CONTRACT FOR THE LUMP SUM AMOUNT OF THE PROJECT.
SO GOING BACK TO WHAT WE WERE SAYING EARLIER, IF WE GO OUT FOR THE COMPETITIVE BID, WE'LL GET SOME CONTRACTORS ARE GONNA BID LOW.
CAUSE WE ALREADY KNOW WHAT GORDIAN IS HA HAS PUT OUT.
SO WITH THAT IN MIND, WOULD IT BE A POSSIBILITY THEN WHEN WE GO OUT ON A COMPETITIVE BID WITH THE RFP THAT WE STATE THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE A FIRM PR FIRM FIXED PRICE CONTRACT AWARD.
SO THEN THAT WOULD KIND OF GET THESE OTHER CONTRACTORS TO REALLY, UM, COME IN WITH A, A TRUE COST RATHER THAN UNDERBIDDING.
WELL, AND MOST OF THESE CONTRACTS ALONG WITH GORDIAN IS THE ALSO HAVE A STIPULATION UNFORESEEN CONDITIONS.
IF THEY GO IN TO DO THE DEMO, WORK WITH THE CONCRETE AND FIND OUT WE'VE GOT A SINK HOLE, THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE COVERED UNDER THIS.
AND SO EVERYBODY HAS THAT UNFORESEEN CONDITION IN THIS, RIGHT.
I'M GETTING FROM PRICE IN THE MORNING WITH FOUR
THAT COULD BE TAKEN OFFLINE, BUT NORMALLY, YOU KNOW, UM, THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD RISK MITIGATE THOSE UNFORESEEN RISKS IN THEIR UNIT COSTS.
IF WE HAD THAT SITUATION, THEY SAY, NO, YOU CAN'T CHARGE $3,000 FOR THAT.
IT'S A SET COST OF A THOUSAND AND YOU CAN'T CHARGE NO MORE.
THAT'S WHAT THEY DO FOR US, RIGHT? YES, DON'T.
CAUSE SO IF SO, IF, UH, IF THEY COME BACK IN AND SAY, HEY, TO YOUR POINT, UM, YEAH, THIS WAS SOMETHING WE TOTALLY DID NOT SEE COMING OR WHAT OUR BIGGEST SINKHOLE OR WHATEVER, ACT OF GOD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEN THEY'D COME BACK TO US AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS A LEGITIMATE CHANGE ORDER.
AND THOSE PRICING THAT PRICING IS, IS FROM THE CATALOG.
LET'S SAY IT'S ALREADY BEEN ESTABLISHED AND IT'S ALREADY COMPETITIVE.
SO DOING THAT CHANGE ORDER NUMBER ONE AND ONLY HOPEFULLY RIGHT, UH, WOULD BE ALREADY ESTABLISHED.
AND WE WOULD JUST DO THAT, THAT CHANGE ORDER.
ALSO KEEP IN MIND THAT WITH FIRM FIXED PRICE CONTRACTS, ACCORDING TO THE VPA, THE CODE OF VIRGINIA, NO FEE FIRM FIXED PRICE CONTRACT CAN INCREASE BY MORE THAN 25% UNLESS IT'S BEEN APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
SO IF THERE WERE TO BE ANY CHANGE ORDERS THAT WERE TO GO ABOVE THAT 25%, WE WOULD COME BACK AND LET YOU KNOW ABOUT THAT.
W WHAT HAD HAPPENED, WHY, WHAT UNFORESEEN CIRCUMSTANCES ASSISTED IN THIS COST INCREASE, UNEXPECTED COSTS INCREASE.
ARE THEY ALSO MANAGING THE INVOICES THAT ARE COMING TO YOU ARE, I MEAN, IF THEY SAY, ARE THEY THE ONES THAT SAYS, OKAY, WE'VE DONE THIS MUCH OF THE WORK.
YOU ALWAYS 10,000 OFF THE INVOICES WOULD COME DIRECTLY FROM THE MATTHEWS GROUP.
AND WE WOULD PAY THE MATTHEWS GROUP DIRECTLY.
AND THE INVOICES WOULD COME FROM GORDIAN AND WE WOULD PAY THEM DIRECTLY AS WELL.
UM, IF THERE'S ANY KIND OF DISCREPANCY BETWEEN WHAT WE'VE BEEN QUOTED AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN INVOICED THROUGH, WE WOULD GO DIRECTLY BACK TO THE MATTHEWS GROUP AS OUR PRIME CONTRACTOR.
AIA DOCUMENT IS WHAT WE CALL IT WOULD COME TO ME.
AND I HAVE AN EXAMPLE WHERE THE BROKEN DOWN OR THE PROJECT.
SO IF NOT COME IN AND THEY WANT MONEY, I'LL SAY, OKAY, YOU ONLY GOT 25% OF YOUR MATERIALS.
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AND ALSO SAME THING WITH LABOR.IF YOU EXPEDITED LIKE 20% OF YOUR LABOR, OR YOU'VE GOT A HUNDRED PERCENT OF YOUR MATERIALS, BUT NO LABOR.
SO I WILL VERIFY THAT STUFF BEFORE I TURN IT INTO TERRAN.
SO THAT'S OUR CHECKS AND BALANCES TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT OVERPAYING THEM.
AND ALSO YOU KEEP 5% SET ASIDE FOR THE END OF THE PROJECT FOR YOUR PUNCH LIST.
SO IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE BUYING ONE, TWO BY FOUR, AND TODAY IT'S $5 TOMORROW, IT'S $2.
HOW ARE YOU GOING TO KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO GET THE BEST PRICE OF THAT ONE NIGHT YOU DO THAT? WE DON'T LOOK AT PRICES.
IF THEY DON'T SHOW ME THEIR PRICE TICKETS, ALL THEY SAY IS, HEY, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE 25, 2 BY FOURS.
I'VE ALREADY GOT THE PRICING ALREADY.
SO IF THE PRICE WENT UP, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO COME BACK TO US AND SAY, WELL, WE WANT MORE MONEY BECAUSE THE COST OF GOODS HAVE WENT UP.
NOW, WHEN YOU GO OUT TO AN OPEN BID, YOU MAY HAVE THAT BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A PRICE IS WHAT THE CONTRACT SAYS.
BUT THE MATTHEWS GROUP THAT WAS ACTUALLY DOING THE WORK CAN ACTUALLY BENEFIT FROM THAT.
MORE WE'VE BENEFITED IF THE PRICE WENT UP.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE ON THE UPSCALE.
THAT'S WHAT MADE ME THINK OF, SO I'M LOOKING AT YOUR PRESENTATION HERE AT THE LAST SECOND TO LAST SLIDE.
NUMBER 13 SAYS ACTUALLY OUR WARREN COUNTY SCHOOL SYSTEM ACTUALLY USES THIS SERVICE IF YOU WILL.
AND HAVE WE REACHED OUT TO SEE HOW SATISFIED THEY WERE ARE WITH THE PERFORMANCE OR, YES, I'VE TALKED TO, UM, GREG AND HE SAID, HE'S USED THEM MANY TIMES.
HE SAYS, YOU JUST HAVE TO WATCH THEM, YOU KNOW? AND THEY'RE JUST LIKE ANY OTHER CONTRACTOR.
BUT HE WAS SATISFIED FOR THE PROJECTS THAT HE HAS USED THEM FOR, BUT THEY'RE ONLY CAN GO UP TO $500,000.
SO A LOT OF THESE ARE SMALL PROJECTS CONSIDERED.
WHAT ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE CONTRACTORS THAT THEY HAD NO ISSUE WITH THAT OCEAN, WITH THE T? AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I DO IS, IS REALLY THE QUALITY ASSURANCE FOR THE COUNTY.
WELL, I UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THIS.
SO WE'RE GOING TO GO AND DO A COMPETITIVE BID AND, UM, AND GO THROUGH THE EVALUATION PROCESS.
AND I GUESS WE'LL JUST CROSS THAT BRIDGE WHEN WE KEPT THE, UH, THE COSTS IN BECAUSE I MEAN, WITH MY EXPERIENCE, YOU KNOW, IF A CONTRACTOR ALREADY KNOWS THE COSTS OUT THERE, THEY'RE GOING TO BOTH BID LOW, AND THEN NOW THEY KNOW WHAT THE LAW WITH THE FIRM FIXED PRICE.
YOU CAN'T GO OVER 25% SO THEY CAN UNDERBID.
AND THEN WE, YOU KNOW, AND THEN WITH THIS MODEL HERE, UM, YOU WOULD HAVE SOME EXPERTS THERE AND TO SAY, NANA, THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS OR THAT, YOU KNOW, SO, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS.
SO, AND ONE GOOD THING ABOUT THIS PROCESS RIGHT NOW IS THIS IS A 90 DAY PROJECT.
AND WE'RE LOOKING TO OPEN UP THE FACILITY IN MAY, JUNE.
SO WE HAVE TIME TO EXPLORE AND TO SEE WHAT WE'RE GETTING CLOSE.
WE MAY USE THIS HOPEFULLY MORE IN THE FUTURE, BUT THIS GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY WEIGH OUT THESE PROGRAMS AND IT'S TIME TO DO THAT.
NOW THAT WE TOOK UP THE BIGGEST SAVINGS IS ACTUALLY ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS.
THAT'S WHAT, UM, THAT'S WHAT THE FOCUS IS ON FOR JOB ORDER CONTRACTING.
IT'S REALLY NOT THAT PROCUREMENT HAS VERY MANY CONTRACTS THAT I WORKS DIRECTLY WITH, BUT IT REALLY IS HEAVILY FOCUSED ON THE ADMINISTRATION.
UM, FOR PROCUREMENT, UM, TAKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THIS PROJECT, WE HAVE OUR ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS.
WE HAVE OUR MECHANICAL DRAWINGS.
WE HAVE OUR PLUMBING DRAWINGS, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO SETTING UP AN INVITATION FOR BIDS, WHICH IS WHAT THIS WOULD BE AN IFB AND AWARD, IT'S THE LOWEST, RESPONSIVE AND RESPONSIBLE BIDDER.
IT WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL TO HAVE A BREAKDOWN FOR A BID FORM, UH, FOR EACH PARTICULAR PART.
SO THE WHOLE WAY, THE CRAFT ROOM, THE BATHROOM, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, AND THEN SOME SORT OF MATERIALS PRICING WOULD BE BENEFICIAL AS
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WELL.THAT TAKES A LOT OF TIME TO SET UP AN ESTABLISH.
AND WE CAN ABSOLUTELY DO THAT.
THIS GORDIAN COMPANY, THAT 5% FEE PART OF THAT IS TAKING AWAY THOSE ADMINISTRATIVE PIECES OF THAT PROCUREMENT PROCESS AND STREAMLINING IT AND REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT IT WOULD TAKE FOR THAT TO ACTUALLY HAPPEN SO THAT YOU CAN GET THE PROJECTS DONE AND IT'S STREAMLINED.
SO YOU LET THE PROFESSIONALS DO THE WORK AND WE'RE REAPING THE BENEFIT BY COST SAVINGS AND ADMINISTRATION FIX.
UH, I BELIEVE WHEN WE WERE WORKING WITH MOSELEY, WHO DID THE INITIAL LOOK, THEY WERE LOOKING AT 125 GRAND FOR THAT ADMINISTRATIVE FEE.
SO THIS REALLY CUTS IT DOWN TO A MINIMUM.
I'M LOOKING AT THE SLIDE DECK RIGHT HERE.
IT, CAN YOU GO TO SLIDE NUMBER EIGHT? THANK YOU.
STEP BY STEP PROCESS RIGHT THERE.
SO THIS, THIS FIVE STEP JOB ORDER PROCESS NOW, IS THAT FOR ANY AMENDMENT OR IS THAT HOW IT, IT BEGINS? SO WHAT GORDIAN DID WAS THEY SCHEDULED A MEETING WITH JEFF AND DONNA AND THEY ATTENDED, UM, AN ONSITE MEETING.
SO WE'VE GONE THROUGH, UM, STEP NUMBER ONE TOGETHER, AND THEN STEP NUMBER TWO IS GORDON.
IT HELPS PREPARE A DETAILED SCOPE OF WORK THAT DESCRIBES THE WORK.
WE'VE RECEIVED THAT FROM THE MATTHEWS GROUP.
AND NUMBER THREE IS THE CONTRACTOR PREPARES A PRICE PROPOSAL BY SELECTING THE APPROPRIATE TASKS FROM GORDON'S CONSTRUCTION TASK CATALOG.
SO THEY'VE, THEY'VE DONE THAT AND PROVIDED THAT TO US AS WELL.
UM, AND THEN GORDY REVIEWS, A PRICE PROPOSAL TO ENSURE THE CONTRACTOR HAS SELECTED THE APPROPRIATE TASKS AND QUANTITIES THAT'S PART OF THE ADMINISTRATION OR THE FINDER'S FEE IS THAT THEY TAKE THAT COST AND PUT IT INTO THE WORKING OF THAT QUOTE, TO MAKE SURE THAT LET'S SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, THE MATTHEWS GROUP PUT SOMETHING IN THERE THAT WASN'T THE, THAT GORDON DID NOT FEEL WAS NECESSARY, UM, IN, SO THEY WOULD EITHER REMOVE THAT OR WORK WITH THE MATTHEWS GROUP TO DETERMINE WHY SPECIFICALLY THAT WAS NEEDED.
AND GORDON WOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE THAT OUT OF THE PRICE PROPOSAL IF IT WAS NOT NEEDED.
SO THAT'S PART OF THEIR ADMINISTRATION AND THE JOB ORDER IS ISSUED.
SO ONCE IT'S BEEN APPROVED BY THE GOVERNING BODY, THE PRICE PROPOSAL IS APPROVED AND YOU ISSUE A JOB ORDER FOR THE CONTRACTOR TO PROCEED.
SO WE WOULD ISSUE THEM THAT NOTICE TO PROCEED AND A PURCHASE ORDER FOR THAT FIRM FIXED PRICE.
SO WE'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH STEPS ONE THROUGH FOUR, CORRECT.
THAT'S WHERE WE GOT THIS, CORRECT.
YOUR QUESTION EARLIER YOU SAY, WHY WERE WE GOING BACK AND FORTH? NOBODY EVER HEARD OF HOARDING UNTIL WE GOT TO STEP FOUR.
WELL, ACTUALLY, IF I COULD JUST CLARIFY DR.
DALEY, WE DID HAVE A MEETING WITH THEM.
UM, SUPERVISOR COOK AND CHAIRMAN A COUPLE OF COLORS.
WE DID HAVE A MEETING GORDIAN BEFORE STEP FOUR.
I WAS ALWAYS TOLD WE WERE GOING TO HIT THIS PROJECT.
OKAY, WELL, I HAVE NO PROBLEM, YOU KNOW, GOING OUT FOR BED.
THE ONLY THING THAT I CARE ABOUT IS THAT WE GET THE JOB DONE AT A REASONABLE COST, QUALITY AND QUALITY.
AND I DO NOT LIKE SCOPE CREEP AT ALL.
WE'RE POISED TO GET READY TO DO A, A BID FOR GO OUT WITH A BIT.
AND THEN AFTER WE GET THE BID, WE'LL COME BACK HERE AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO EVALUATE EVERYTHING.
IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE IF IT GOES THE WAY THAT IT'S PLANNED ARE A PLAN TO SEE HOW MUCH WE WOULD SAVE ON ANY ONE PROJECT.
I'M VERY INTERESTED TO SEE HOW MANY BIDS WE GET, BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE VERY BUSY RIGHT NOW AND GETTING STAFF TO DO WORK.
JUST HOPING YOU GET MORE THAN ONE.
WELL, AND I'M NOT A CONTRACTOR BY NO MEANS, BUT LET ME TELL YOU, WHEN I WENT IN THERE, EVERYTHING IS MADE OUT OF CEMENT.
AND SO I WOULD HOPE YOU KNOW THAT, AND I'M SURE YOU'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THE RIGHT TYPE OF CONTRACTOR WHO HAS EXPERIENCE WITH WORKING WITH THAT TYPE OF WE'RE RENOVATING THAT KIND OF A BUILDING, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THIS SUBMIT EVERYWHERE.
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YOU GOT TO DO THAT OUT.WERE YOU READY TO GO TO JOB ORDERING? THANK YOU.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE? MOTION TO ADJOURN MAY 2ND.
I HAVE MORE I WANT TO SEE BABY PICTURES.