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[Call to Order]
THE AUGUST 9TH, A WORK SESSION OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AT THIS TIME, I CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.UM, IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE AGENDA AS PRESENTED? OR ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS HERE? MADAM CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO REMOVE ITEM NUMBER D.
UH, THAT INFORMATION WAS, UH, JUST MEETING NOTES AND I JUST PROVIDED THOSE TO ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS AND SOME OF THE STAFF.
AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO ACTUALLY GO THROUGH THOSE FOR EVERY EVERYBODY, BECAUSE IT WAS JUST, IT WAS JUST A MEETING.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER ADDITIONS, DELETIONS, IF NOT, IS THERE A SECOND TO, UM, MR.
DO YOU HAVE IDLE MALE, MALE F YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE? HOPEFULLY.
SO, UM, SO WE HAVE MOTION AND IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND ROLL CALL, MRS. SHAHRAKI MR. MABE, MRS. COOK.
[A. Discussion – Request of the Shenandoah Farms Sanitary District Advisory Committee to Cancel Old Oak Lane, Phases IV and V Rural Addition, Revenue Sharing Projects – Michael Coffelt]
ITEM ONE IS DISCUSSION REQUEST OF THE SHANDO FARM SANITARY DISTRICT ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO CANCEL OLD OAK LANE PHASES FOUR AND FIVE RURAL EDITION REVENUE SHARING PROJECTS.GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR AND THE BOARD.
WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT A PRESENTATION, UH, BASED ON THE OLD OAK FOUR AND FIVE JOBS PRIMARILY, BUT IT'S ALSO AN OVERCAP OF WHAT YOU ALL RECENTLY SEEN ON THE REVENUE SHARING FOR THE SHANANDOAH FARM SANITARY DISTRICT.
PAGE ONE, SLIDE ONE IS JUST A BRIEF MAP OVERLAY OF THE SANITARY DISTRICTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN WARREN COUNTY.
NUMBER TWO IS THE SHANANDOAH FARMS DISTRICT ROADS.
UM, CURRENTLY WE HAVE 45.50 LANE MILES IN WHICH V DOT MAINTAINED 6.12 MILES OF ROADWAY WITHIN THAT SANITARY DISTRICT.
THE COMPLETE ROAD SYSTEM IS AN OVERLAY SLIDE.
OLD OAK FOUR IS 0.4, FOUR MILES OF ROAD WORK THAT'S PROPOSED TO BE DONE THAT WE DO HAVE RESOLUTION ON AN OLD OAK.
FIVE IS 0.5, EIGHT MILES OF ROAD.
THE BOARD HAS CONFIRMED THIS, AND WE ALSO REVISE PLANS TO V DOT, UH, CURRENTLY FOR OLD OAK PHASE FOUR.
UH, IS IT THE FIFTH ROUND OF SUBMISSION AS OF JULY OF 2022? I DID SPEAK TO THE ENGINEER LAST WEEK AND, UH, THE MAIN SOURCE OF TRAFFIC DETOUR PLAN THAT I DID WAS ACCEPTED AND HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO V DOT FOR PHASE FOUR.
UH, WE'RE WAITING ON SOME FINAL COMMENTS FOR THE, A COUPLE OF CONSTRUCTION QUESTIONS THAT THE DESIGNER DID HAVE THAT WE'VE PROVIDED INFORMATION TO V DOT AND WE'RE AWAITING THE FINAL, UH, PLAN APPROVAL CURRENTLY AT THE FINAL COST ANTICIPATED A PRE-CONSTRUCTION MEETING, UM, SET FOR SEPTEMBER BEGIN CONSTRUCTION FALL OF 2022 WITH A COMPLETION DATE OF 23.
WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY CHANGES ON THE FUNDING SINCE WE LAST SPOKE ON THIS, BUT WE DO HAVE APPROVED PROJECT FUNDING OF $998,250.
THE INITIAL ESTIMATE FOR CONSTRUCTION ON PHASE FOUR IS $1,597,200 WITH THAT BEING A 50% REVENUE SHARING FROM V.AT FOUR HUNDRED AND EIGHTY SEVEN, SIX SIXTY ONE, THE COUNTY 25% PORTION IS 2 49 45, WHICH LEAVES THE SANITARY DISTRICT AT 868,594 CURRENT CHARGES FOR OLD OAK FIVE OR FOUR ENGINEERING CALLS RIGHT NOW WHERE, UH, THE PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING BUDGET WAS THAT 86,000 TO DATE.
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AND V DOCS CHARGED $24,000 TO THAT.I DO NOT THINK THOSE NUMBERS HAVE CHANGED ANY AS WE LOOK AT A PHASE FIVE, THE PLAN IS TO CONTINUE ON TO FIVE AFTER WE COMPLETE FOUR.
UH, WE DO HAVE CONFIRMATION FROM THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON THAT.
UH, WE'RE CURRENTLY IN SOME, UH, PLAN DEVELOPMENT AS FAR AS THE RIGHT OF WAY, UH, STEAKS.
WE'VE GOT, UH, WE HAD A PRELIMINARY REVIEW IN DECEMBER.
UH, PLAN SUBMISSION SHOULD BE IN FEBRUARY OF 23 IS ANTICIPATED ADDITIONAL REVENUE SHARING FUND APPLICATION IS DUE MARCH 23RD.
AND, UH, AS MR. BARRY SPOKE THE LAST TIME HE WOULD APPLY FOR ADDITIONAL REVENUE SHARING MONEY.
UH, WHEN THAT JOB COMES OPEN FOR APPLICATION BEAT OUT SECOND REVIEW IN 2023 WITH CONSTRUCTION IN 2024, THESE ARE ESTIMATES.
WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY ENGINEERING BACK ON THIS, BUT, UH, THE JOB IS FUNDING APPROVED BY BEAT OUT AT 1,077,903.
UH, WE HAVE AN ESTIMATE, A PRELIMINARY ESTIMATE OF 1,000,800, $1,829.
THE COUNTY'S 25% PORTION IS THREE 16 TO 31.
AND THAT LEAVES THE SANITARY DISTRICT FOR $946,647.
CURRENTLY THE BOARD HAS RESOLUTION ON A YOUNG'S DRIVE PHASE TWO AS WELL, UH, THAT DOES HAVE V DOT APPROVED FUNDING AS WELL.
NO WORK HAS BEEN STARTED ON THAT JOB OTHER THAN SOME RIGHT AWAY, ADDITIONAL FUNDING THAT IS IN THE SHENANDOAH FARM SANITARY DISTRICT THAT HAS VIDOT APPROVAL.
HOWEVER, IT DOESN'T HAVE THE COUNTY APPROVAL WAS LATE DRAFT PHASE ONE, TULIP POPLAR PHASE ONE IN WESTERN LANE PHASE TWO.
THAT PRETTY MUCH ENDS MY REPORT.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS IF ANYBODY HAS.
SO THE, THE S THE SANITARY DISTRICT ADVISORY BOARD HAS, UM, EMAILED THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND HAS ASKED US TO RECONSIDER AND NOT DO ANY OF THIS.
SO ARE WE GOING TO DISCUSS THAT TONIGHT, OR ARE WE GOING TO OKAY.
SO TO ASK MR. BOYLE TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT WHAT, OKAY.
I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT AND WHY THAT CONCLUSION AND WHAT THE BENEFITS ARE TO THE TAXPAYERS AND THE PEOPLE OF SHADOW FARMS. OKAY, THANK YOU.
SO WHILE HE'S COMING UP, I WILL REMIND YOU THE DIFFERENCE IN THE TWO PROJECTS I ESTIMATED FIVE YEARS AGO WAS $2 MILLION.
SO THAT 1.4 WOULD COME FROM THE SANITARY DISTRICT, AND WE HAVE THE OPTION.
WE CAN PROBABLY, BECAUSE OF THE TIMING NEXT SPRING, WE CAN APPLY FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR PHASE FIVE.
SO WE MAY BE ABLE TO PICK THAT PART OF IT UP THAT V DOT WOULD PAY ADDITIONAL PORTION, PHASE FOUR.
WE HAD ASKED ABOUT IF WE COULD DIVIDE IT, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED A RESPONSE FROM V DOT.
AND AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A NEW COMMONWEALTH TRANSPORTATION BOARD REPRESENTATIVE, UH, APPOINTED.
AND, UH, WE HAVE NOT SPOKEN TO MR. LAWSON THIS YET, BUT WE WILL.
AND MR. BARRY MENTIONED, THE OTHER OPTION IS TO REAPPLY FOR PHASE FOUR, WHICH WOULD DELAY THE PROJECT UNTIL THIS TIME NEXT YEAR, W WOULDN'T ALLOW FOR THE APPLICATION TO GO FORWARD THIS COMING SPRING.
CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION, UM, FIVE AND, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN JUST, YOU CAN ANSWER IT FOR ME, ALTHOUGH FIVE IS THE ONE THAT'S GOING TO TAKE ALL THOSE SPECIAL BUILT FOR IS IT'S ON FOUR, FOUR.
I THOUGHT THAT'S THE ONE WITH THE SPECIAL COVERT IT'S GOING TO COST 300 AND SOME THOUSAND JUST TO HAVE, YEAH, THAT'S THE WORD? IT GOES UP THE STEEP HILL AND THEN AROUND.
I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR DR.
YOU KNOW, WE SAID THAT, UH, BACK AT THE FIRST ESTIMATES WERE $2 MILLION.
IS THAT BECAUSE OF INFLATION OR IS THAT BECAUSE THE SCOPE
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HAS, HAS GROWN A LITTLE BIT, OR THEY'VE FOUND SOME, OOPS, A COUPLE OF, COUPLE OF EXPLANATIONS THERE, SIR.ONE IS THE FACT THAT THESE ESTIMATES GO BACK TO 2017, THEY'RE OVER FIVE YEARS OLD.
NUMBER TWO, THEY ARE ALL PRE COVID AND PRE SHORTY AGE AND THE ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
AND NUMBER THREE, DOT CHANGED THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT BY BE REQUIRING ALL THESE SPECIALLY MADE CULVERTS THAT WERE NOT PLANNED.
WHEN, WHEN MR. CHILDRESS WAS WORKING ON THE ESTIMATES, HE WAS NOT, VIDOT HAD NOT MADE THAT DECISION.
BRUCE BOYLE SANITARY DISTRICT CHAIR FOR THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WE DISCUSSED THIS, UM, QUITE A BIT, THE, UH, THE COST ESTIMATE FOR THE, THE, UM, $3.4 MILLION IS GOING TO SERVE AS ALL OF EIGHT DRIVEWAYS.
SO WE DECIDED THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO REPRIORITIZE WHAT WE DID, AND WE LOOKED AT THE NUMBER OF DRIVEWAYS.
AND SO WE UNDERSTAND YOU MADE A COMMENT, MRS. OATES ABOUT THE, UM, ABOUT PUTTING A BAND-AID ON IT.
WE'RE NOT REALLY INTERESTED IN PUTTING A BAND-AID ON IT, AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE NOT, WE DO NOT SEEK TO CANCEL THE PROJECT.
WE SEEK TO POSTPONE IT FOR COSTS.
IN ESSENCE, V DOT HAS CHANGED THEIR STANDARDS AND REQUIRED ONE CONTINUOUS LONG BRIDGE.
THAT'S GOING TO BE PROBABLY FOUR TENTHS OF A MILE LONG, AND THERE'S A LOT OF WATER THAT COMES OFF THAT.
AND WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT, HOWEVER, FOR EIGHT DRIVEWAYS AT $3.4 MILLION, IF WE LOOK AT THE OTHER NEEDS IN 2011, WHEN THE, UH, DRAINAGE STUDY WAS PUT IN, THERE WAS A SURVEY THAT CAME OUT AND THE NUMBER ONE COMPLAINT WAS RHODES.
AND THE NUMBER TWO COMPLAINT WAS DUST AS A BOARD MEMBER.
AND, UH, ANOTHER ONE IN THE BACK HERE, THE NUMBER ONE COMPLAINT IN 2022 IS THE ROADS AND THE NUMBER TWO COMPLAINTS TO DUST.
SO IN 11 YEARS, WE'VE COLLECTED A LOT OF MONEY AND DONE NOTHING TO ALLEVIATE THE NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO COMPLAINTS.
SO MATT AND I MET THE VINES IN THE BACK.
HE AND I RODE AROUND ONE SUNDAY AND STARTED COUNTING DRIVEWAYS.
AND WE FELT LIKE THAT IF WE WERE TO PAVE DRUMMER HILL FROM IT'S 4 74 UPRIGHT PATH TO, IT TURNS INTO READ AND UP, WHICH WAS IN THERE IT'S, UM, 2.0 MILES, AND IT WOULD SERVE A SEVERAL HUNDRED DRIVEWAYS VERSUS EIGHT.
IF WE WENT DOWN THE HILL AND WHAT WE CALL MALFUNCTION JUNCTION, WHERE DRUMMER HILL MEETS A VENOUS BRANCH.
IF WE WENT DOWN THERE TO THE BUS STOP AND I'VE, I'VE SLID DOWN THAT HILL BACKWARDS AND SNOW, IT'S NEVER GOING TO GO INTO THE V DOT SYSTEM.
IT'S A 17% GRADE AND SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE WITH THAT SOONER, RATHER THAN LATER, THAT WOULD SERVICE ANOTHER, UM, LARGE PORTION OF DRIVEWAYS.
AND THEN THE THIRD PRIORITY THAT WE HAD, AND OUR, OUR LISTING WAS TO TAKE, UH, CHAIM JONES, MCDONALD FARM ROAD AND CONNECT THOSE DRIVEWAYS, WHICH WAS 30 SOME.
AND NUMBER FOUR WAS HIGH TOP, WHICH HAS 91 DRIVEWAYS ON IT ALL ALONE.
SO IN ESSENCE, WHAT WE WERE ASKING IS FOR THE 3.4 MILLION, AND THEN WE REALIZED THAT THE SANITARY DISTRICT HAS 3 MILLION THAT IT POSSIBLY COULD SPEND AND DOES NOT HAVE TO.
WE COULD SERVICE REALLY CLOSE TO A THOUSAND DRIVEWAYS INSTEAD OF EIGHT FOR THE SAME MONEY.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT ALLEVIATING TWO THINGS.
ONE IS THE DUST AND THE ROAD COMPLAINTS.
THE OTHER THING THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED AT THE BOARD AD NAUSEUM IS THE FACT THAT WE SPEND 85% OF ALL BUDGET, MONEY FOR MAINTENANCE.
SO ALL THIS DUST AND ALL THE ROADS WE HAVE INCLUDE THE VERY SAME PROBLEM IS THAT 85% OF WHAT'S COLLECTED GOES TO MAINTAIN WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE AND TO, TO INCLUDE AND KEEP GOING WITH THE, THE DUST AND THE THING, IF WE WERE TO PAY THE 5.1 MILES THAT I HAVE NOT SENT YOU THE EMAIL FROM LAST NIGHT, BECAUSE I WANT TO SEE HOW THE NIGHT WENT, BUT THERE WAS A PROPOSAL THAT WAS ADOPTED BY THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT TO ASK THAT WE PAY 5.1 MILES WITH TAR AND CHIP, OR, UM, DOUBLE MODIFIED SEAL.
AND THAT WOULD ELIMINATE LAST YEAR IN JANUARY AND FEBRUARY, WE HAD TWO SNOW STORMS. WE SPENT $60,000 COMBINED ON THE TWO MAIN ROADS, VENOUS BRANCH AND DRUMMER HILL.
IF WE TAKE THAT $60,000 AND WE DO NOT SPEND IT IN MAINTENANCE FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, AND THAT'S THE LOW END OF A TAR AND CHIP LIFESPAN WITH AN EXTRA FIVE-YEAR MARK, WE HAVE SOME THAT ARE 15 AND 20 YEARS OLD.
I'M NOT SAYING ALL OF IT'S GOING TO BE BECAUSE SOME OF THEM ARE STEEP GRADES, BUT WE FEEL LIKE THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AS WRITTEN WOULD BENEFIT FAR MORE PEOPLE.
IF WE BYPASSED OLD OAK FOUR AND FIVE AT THIS POINT, AND WENT FORWARD WITH THE 5.1 MILES, AND THAT GIVES US, UH, MORE PAVEMENT AND LESS MAINTENANCE, AND WE CAN SEE THIS HAPPEN.
SO THE LESS WE PAY IN MAINTENANCE, UM, THIS YEAR IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, WE CAN PUT TOWARD TAR AND CHIP OR OLD OAK FOUR AND FIVE, AGAIN, WITHOUT THE INFLATIONARY COST.
AT THAT POINT, ONCE OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT COST DECLINE OUR MAINTENANCE COSTS, OR ACTUALLY ONCE WE SPEND ON THE CAPITAL
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IMPROVEMENT PLAN, OUR MAINTENANCE COSTS WILL DECLINE.AND SO PERSONALLY, I THINK THE FEES ARE FINE AT THREE 50 FOR ME, BUT I KNOW THAT THEY'RE HIGH FOR PEOPLE.
AND SO OUR GOAL WAS TO TAR AND CHIP AS MUCH AS WE COULD GET AS MUCH DONE AS WE COULD POSSIBLY GET DONE.
AND THEN LOOK AT WHEN THE MAINTENANCE PORTION OF THE BUDGET GOES FROM 85 TO SAY, 50 OR 40% LOWERING THE FEES.
AND SOME OF THE FIGURES HAVE BEEN TOSSED OUT OR NOT REALISTIC.
IT'S NOT EVER GOING TO GO BACK TO A HUNDRED DOLLARS, BUT A TWO 50 TO 75 WOULD CERTAINLY BE WITHIN THE REALM OF THAT.
AND THAT MIGHT WELL BE A PERMANENT, UM, SITUATION WHERE THE FEES DECREASE.
SO WE'RE ASKING TWO THINGS, WE'RE ASKING YOU TO POSTPONE IT.
WE THINK WE CAN SPEND THE MONEY MORE WISELY DOING THE 5.1 MILES WE REALIZED WE HAVE NO SAY IN THE MATTER IT'S UP TO THE BOARD.
UM, AND WE WILL ACCEPT WHATEVER YOU DECIDE.
UM, AND WE'LL GET BEHIND THE PROGRAM.
THAT'S NOT, NOT WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS.
UM, BUT IF WE CAN REDUCE OUR MAINTENANCE PORTION OF OUR BUDGET AND INCREASE WHAT WE CALL JUST THE HARD TOP, THEN THE DUST AND THE COMPLAINTS ON THE ROADS AND DUST ARE GONNA GO AWAY.
PLUS WE'RE GOING TO SAVE OVER FIVE-YEAR PERIOD, MAYBE 300,000 IN MAINTENANCE.
THAT 300,000 CAN BE USED TO TAR AND CHIP FURTHER MAIN ROADS, BUT NOT SIDE PIERS, OR IT CAN BE RETURNED IN THE CASE OF A LOWER FEE.
UM, AND WE'RE OPENED UP TO ALL OF THAT, BUT OUR BOARD VOTED AT FIVE TO NOTHING, UH, FIVE, ZERO, NO ABSTENTIONS.
AND NO, WE WERE ASKING YOU TO POSTPONE IT.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE DO NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO SO.
MY FINAL COMMENT WAS I WAS NOT EXPECTING TO SPEAK TONIGHT.
SO I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT HAVING A COLLAR ON MY SHIRT.
SO THAT YOU'RE PERFECTLY FINE.
UM, SO YOU DO INTEND TO DO AT LEAST HARDSHIP ON OLD FOUR AND FIVE, OR DO YOU PLAN TO JUST SKIP OVER IT ENTIRELY? LEAVE IT LIKE IT IS? NO, WE DO NOT.
WE HAVE TAUGHT WE'RE AT ODDS WITH MR.
SO MAKE SURE YOU NOTE THAT, UM, AND HE AND I KIND OF LAUGH CAUSE WE'LL STILL CALL EACH OTHER BY OUR FIRST NAMES.
WE THINK THAT SOME OF THE CULVERTS CAN BE REPLACED WITH LIGHT KIND AND I TAKE TO HEART YOUR COMMENT ABOUT PUTTING A BANDAID ON IT.
WE WOULD LIKE TO TAR AND CHIP IT.
WE HAVE AN OUR PRIORITY LIST THAT I DID NOT BRING THAT NOTEBOOK, BUT IT'S A DRUMMER HILL.
I'M JONES, OLD MCDONALD ROAD, VENOUS BRANCH.
THEN IT WAS LATE DRIVE, WHICH HAS ONLY FOUR TENTHS OF A MILE.
AND THAT'S A SECTION THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE WHEN THEY DID THE TOP AND THE BOTTOM AND THEN HIGH TOP.
AND THAT HITS THE MOST DRIVEWAYS.
AND AT THAT POINT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE, EITHER THE SANITARY DISTRICT OR CONTRACT OUT TO HAVE THE MAJOR CULVERTS REPLACED IN KIND AND PUT A TAR AND CHIP SEAL DOWN THERE.
AND IF YOU TAKE THE MATH IT'S SO WE COME UP WITH 1.01 MILES.
SO THE FIGURES UP THERE FOR IT TO CONNECT THE, TO AT 18 FEET WIDE, THE SCHOOL BOARD HAS ACCEPTED THAT A SCHOOL BUS CAN GO DOWN A TAR AND CHIP 18 FOOT WIDE, UH, ROAD.
AND THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD SUFFICE SHORT TERM.
IF WE GET A HURRICANE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PROBLEM, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PROBLEM, UM, WITH, UM, THE CULVERTS FURTHER DOWN AS WELL.
AND WE KNOW THAT, BUT IF YOU TAKE THAT 3.4 MILLION AND YOU JUST TAKE, UM, THE COUNTY'S ESTIMATE AT, UH, 36,000 PER HALF MILE IS 72,000, DOUBLE IT FOR THE THING, $144,000 PER MILE.
WE CAN TAR AND CHIP THAT THING 10 TIMES, 15 TIMES FOR THE SAME MONEY WE'RE GOING TO SPEND TO BRING THESE CULVERTS IN.
AND THAT'S NOT INCLUDING THE COST OF THE ROAD.
SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WE THINK IT WOULD BE MORE FINANCIALLY PRUDENT TO POSTPONE IT TAR AND CHIP, AS MUCH AS WE CAN INCREASE OUR CAPITAL, A HARD TOP OUTLAY AND DECREASE OUR MAINTENANCE, MAINTAINING THE FEES AS THEY ARE TEMPORARILY, BUT PROBABLY REDUCING THEM AS ALL FIVE OF US ARE IN FAVOR OF THAT IF IT WERE TO COME.
UM, SO WE DO NOT WANT TO, UH, CANCEL.
WE WANT TO POSTPONE, WE WANT TO USE THE MONEY MORE WISELY, AND WE WANT TO GET MORE PEOPLE FROM 11 YEARS AGO TO STOP SAYING THAT THE DUST AND THE LACK OF PAVEMENT OR THE PROBLEMS HAVE YOU, I KNOW YOUR BOARD IS, UM, A HUNDRED PERCENT BEHIND THIS.
YOU SAID THAT, UM, HOW MUCH, UM, INFORMATION HAVE YOU GOTTEN FROM THE COMMUNITY? AS FAR AS THEIR THOUGHTS ON THIS? WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT, IT'S PAVED THE ROADS, BUT IT'S NOT PHRASED LIKE THAT.
A PUBLIC FORUM AND I REALIZED THE DUST IS A PROBLEM.
IF YOU DRIVE DOWN THERE TODAY, YOU WOULD SEE IT.
IT CAN RAIN THE MAR AND TWO DAYS LATER, THE DUST IS A PROBLEM.
UM, IF YOU DECIDE TO GO AHEAD WITH OLD OAK FOUR AND FIVE, WE WILL FALL IN LINE.
UM, WE DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS A GOOD AND BAD.
WE THINK THIS IS A CHANCE TO MORE WISELY USE THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE WHILE BENEFITING MORE DRIVEWAYS.
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THE COST PER DRIVEWAY IS WHAT DRIVES ME.I'M NOT GOING TO HAVE MY ROAD PAVE.
I USE A LITTLE BIT OF VENOUS BRANCH AND A LITTLE BIT OF DRUMMER HILL.
I'M GOING UP TOWARD REED WHERE THE OLD OAK TREE IS.
WE ACTUALLY WENT ALL THE WAY UP PAST PICKFORD TO LIKE RIGHT PAST A WAMBACK BECAUSE THAT CONNECTS 19 OR 20 DRIVEWAYS WITH THOSE TWO SIDE PIERS FOR ONE 10TH OF A MILE.
SO WE THOUGHT THAT WAS WORTHWHILE.
OUR PHILOSOPHY IS TO HIT AS MANY DRIVEWAYS AS POSSIBLE WITH HARD PAVEMENT.
IT'S ACTUALLY A HISTORY LESSON FOR ME BECAUSE THIS WAS ALL BEFORE MY TIME.
SO WHAT WAS THE DRIVING FACTOR TO THE PIC OLD OAK FLIP FOUR AND FIVE THAT'S BEFORE MY TIME TOO.
BUT AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THERE'S A, UM, AVERAGE, UH, TRAFFIC AVERAGE DAILY TRAFFIC COUNT, SHOW THAT TO BE A MINOR CONNECTOR AND IT'S INCREASED MORE.
AND IT WAS PUT AS A PRIORITY WITH, UM, TO CONNECT TO WESTERN.
UM, IF WE CONNECT WITH A TAR AND CHIP, WHICH IS IN OUR PLANS AND NOT FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, BUT MAYBE IN THE SPRING OR THE FALL, DEPENDING ON HOW THE MONEY GOES, BUT WE THINK THERE'S ENOUGH MONEY TO DO IT.
THE TAR AND CHIP ON THAT IS A TEMPORARY BANDAID, BUT MUCH BETTER THAN, THAN A PATCHWORK.
WE THINK IT WILL SUFFICE FOR AT LEAST FIVE OH, BETS ARE OFF.
IF YOU GET A HURRICANE RAIN, BUT ALL BETS ARE OFF AT THOMPSON'S MILL COVERT IN THAT REGARD TOO.
UM, AT THAT POINT I WOULD, I WOULD STAND BEFORE YOU AND ASK TO APPLY FOR DISASTER FUNDS ON IT, BECAUSE I THINK IT WOULD QUALIFY, BUT I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT TYPE OF RAINFALL.
MATT AND I WERE DRIVING AROUND THE SUNDAY THAT IT LET LOOSE AND WE WATCHED THE WATER FLOW AND WE WATCHED WHERE IT WENT AND WE STOPPED ON THERE.
AND A COUPLE OF PEOPLE WERE HONKING AT US, BUT WE WERE ACTUALLY WATCHING THE CULVERTS AND ALL THERE NEEDS TO BE WORK DONE ON THAT.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE $144,000 JOB WHEN YOU START REPLACING CULVERTS.
AND WE KNOW THAT, BUT AS CONNECTING THOSE TWO, UM, AT THAT POINT, THERE WASN'T AS MUCH DEVELOPMENT FURTHER UP THE MOUNTAIN.
SO THE ROADS ON VENOUS BRANCH AND DRUMMER HILL WERE NOT GETTING THE TRAFFIC THAT THEY GET NOW MALFUNCTION JUNCTION HAS ACTUALLY HAD A CAR PARKED ON IT IN THE MIDDLE OF A SNOW STORM WHERE THEY COULDN'T GET UP, COULDN'T GET DOWN AND COULDN'T TURN AROUND AND YOU COULD NOT EVEN SEE IT.
UM, AND SO I'M NOT SURE THAT TARA AND CHIP'S GOING TO HOLD THAT, BUT SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE.
IF WE HAVE TO PUT A LITTLE PLANT MIX OVER TOP PARTS OF IT, WE'RE WILLING TO DO THAT, BUT WE FEEL LIKE THE PRIORITIES SHOULD BE SEARCHED TO SERVICE.
THE MOST RESIDENTS POSSIBLE WITH THE LEAST AMOUNT OF MONEY.
ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE OR OLD OAK FOR.
SO WHAT HAVE WE, WHAT ARE SOME COSTS ALREADY? OKAY.
THIS CAME UP IN OUR DISCUSSION.
SO I'M GOING TO SAY ON THE HIGH SIDE, IT'S 80,000 AND THE ENGINEERING FEES, I'VE HEARD 56, MR. COLE FELT MICHAEL WAS 83, 7, SO ACCURATE.
SO WE'RE GOING TO SAY WE GOT 80,000.
YOU'RE GOING TO GO BUY YOURSELF A $300,000 HOUSE.
AND IT'S GOING TO COME IN AT CLOSING COSTS.
IT'S GOING TO COME IN AT 420,000.
ARE YOU GOING TO PAY THE EXTRA 120 AND SAY, HEY, THAT'S LIFE.
I WANT THE HOUSE, OR ARE YOU GOING TO SAY, I GOT TO WALK AWAY FROM THAT DEAL? THERE'S A THING IN ECONOMICS CALLED OPPORTUNITY COST.
UH, THE EXAMPLE IN COLLEGE WAS WINE AND CHEESE, FRANCE AND WISCONSIN.
I STILL REMEMBER THE PROFESSOR TALKING ABOUT, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE MORE WITH THE MONEY, THE WAY THAT WE, WE PLAN TO PROCEED AS THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, IF YOU CHOOSE TO PROCEED, OTHERWISE YOU'RE GOING TO SERVICE EIGHT DRIVEWAYS AND YOU'LL MAKE A CONNECTOR.
IF YOU GO THE WAY THAT THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE WANTS, IT'S A MUCH MORE POSITIVE DEVELOPMENT.
SO OUR OPPORTUNITY COSTS TO SPEND THIS $3 MILLION WISELY.
WE COULD HIT AS MANY AS A THOUSAND DRIVEWAYS WITH THE PRIORITY LIST THAT WE HAD WITH MATT AND I DRIVING AROUND.
IF YOU THINK ABOUT THAT, THAT'S A THOUSAND LESS PEOPLE CALLING COMPLAINING ABOUT THE ROADS AND THE DUST VERSUS EIGHT.
AND I DO UNDERSTAND I OVERSIMPLIFY.
HE'S GOING TO GET UP AND HE'S GOING TO BE CORRECT.
THE CULVERTS IN THERE CANNOT BE REPLACED.
WE CAN'T GO FROM METAL TO PLASTIC.
BUT IF WE DO THAT, THE ONES THAT ARE COLLAPSED AND HALF FILLED IN AND SO ON WILL BE SERVICEABLE FOR, WITHOUT A MAJOR CATASTROPHE, MAYBE ANOTHER 20 OR 25 YEARS AT WHICH POINT COST WILL SETTLE.
SO, SO THIS 80 K WHAT DID WE DID? WE DID THAT PRODUCE ANYTHING FOR US DRAWING SPECED SPECIFICATIONS, OR I THINK THAT DAILY WANTED TO ADDRESS THAT.
JUST A COMMENT THAT WHAT YOU WERE SAYING THAT DOES NOT GO AWAY.
WE STILL HAVE ALL THOSE DRAWINGS TO USE WHEN WE DO IT.
SO WE'RE NOT WASTING THE MONEY.
WE'RE POSTPONING USING IT ON THAT 80,000.
AND THEN SAME THING WITH A CAR AND AN ENGINE.
ONCE THE ENGINE GOES, YOU DON'T SAY, I JUST PUT A NEW ENGINE IN IT, AND NOW THE TRANSMISSION'S GONE.
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DO? YOU LOOK AT YOUR SUNK COSTS AND YOUR FUTURE COSTS.THE FUTURE COSTS ARE $1.4 MILLION HIGHER THAN THEY WERE THREE YEARS AGO.
AND THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY FOR A SANITARY DISTRICT TO BEAR.
WE DO NOT EXPECT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO COME UP WITH ADDITIONAL MONEY.
WE KNOW THAT WE, WE, WE UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION AND NOT ASKING THAT THE STATE ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT, BUT TO MAKE THE SANITARY DISTRICT BEAR THE BURDEN OF THE EXTRA 1.4 MILLION, YOU'RE NOT EVER GOING TO LOOK AT THOSE THINGS GOING DOWN BECAUSE WE'VE NOT REDUCED OUR MAINTENANCE ON THE DIRT ROADS THAT THIS 5.1 MILE PROGRAM WILL REDUCE THE MAINTENANCE COST ON.
WELL, THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY QUESTION THAT THAT WAS NOT WASTED MONEY THAT THAT WOULD FOLLOW THROUGH UNLESS SPECS CHANGE AGAIN.
AND THEN, BUT AT LEAST THE INITIAL IS DONE.
THE PLANS AND ENGINEERING WOULD BE DONE A PART DOWN THERE.
THE V DOT CHARGE ESTIMATED 24,000.
IF WE DELAYED THIS A YEAR OR TWO YEARS OR FIVE YEARS, WHATEVER, WE'D PROBABLY HAVE NEW PEOPLE LOOKING AT IT.
SO WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO PAY THAT PORTION AGAIN, BUT THE PLANS THEMSELVES ARE GOING TO BE OUR, BUT THEY SHOULD BE CONSIDERABLY LESS IF THEY'RE JUST LOOKING AT WHAT THEY ALREADY HAVE.
WELL, THEY KNEW PEOPLE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN, SIR.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I LIKED THE APPROACH THAT THEY'RE TAKING IN THAT, UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THAT THEY'RE SERVICING INSTEAD OF, UH, JUST A FEW PEOPLE.
THEY ARE SERVICING AS MANY PEOPLE AS THEY CAN.
AND I THINK THAT'S PRETTY SMART.
AND FOR THE RECORD I LIVE ON NONE OF THE ROADS THAT WILL BE SERVICED, JUST SO YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THAT HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP AND I'M RIDING AROUND WITH MATT.
MY PRIORITY LIST CHANGED SLIGHTLY BECAUSE HE'S GOT A DIFFERENT VIEWPOINT AND HE WAS CORRECT.
SO WE'RE WILLING TO DO IT TO LISTEN.
UM, WE THINK OLD OAK FOUR AND FIVE NEEDS TO BE DONE EVENTUALLY, UH, IN A PERFECT WORLD.
WE'D HAVE ALL THE MONEY, WE NEED IT AND WE'D WALK RIGHT IN AND GET IT DONE.
BUT WE DO NOT LIVE IN A PERFECT WORLD WITH HIGH INFLATION.
WE THINK WE GET A BETTER BANG FOR OUR BUCK, AND WE THINK WE CAN GET IT DONE QUICKER WHILE WE DON'T LOSE THE VALUE WITH THE MONEY SITTING IN THE ACCOUNTS, GAINING 1% THE ANTICIPATED START DATE.
IF, IF WE CHOSE TO GO THAT WE GOT A FEW WEEKS, THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CONTINUE TO LISTEN TO IT, BUT MICHAEL WOULD HAVE TO WORK EVEN HARDER.
UH, AND HE'S BEEN WORKING HARD AND I REALIZED THAT IT WOULD NEED TO GO TO BED.
UM, THERE WAS SOME CONSTERNATION THAT CAME UP LAST NIGHT ABOUT THE, UH, TAR AND CHIPPING OF A DRUMMER HILL.
IT'S A SIX TO NINE MONTH OLD CONTRACT QUOTE.
IT DOES NOT MEET IN OUR OPINION, THE BOARD'S OPINION, THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE'S OPINION.
IT DOES NOT MEET THE $50,000 BID.
IT, UH, THAT WAS PASSED BY THIS BOARD A COUPLE OF WEEKS BACK WISELY.
SO IT DOES NEED TO GO OUT TO RFP AND RFP, WHICHEVER RE REQUEST FOR BID REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL.
AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IT'S BEEN WARM IN OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, DECEMBER, AND EVEN IN JANUARY.
IN PREVIOUS YEARS, I PLAYED GOLF IN JANUARY SEVERAL TIMES.
AND SO WE'RE HOPING TO GET A LOT OF IT DONE THIS FALL, WHAT WE CAN GET DONE.
AND THE MAJORITY OF IT DONE OVER THE WINTER AND THROUGH TO THE SPRING.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT OUR PLAN IS.
IT'S NOT, NOT, UH, WHEN I SAY WE WERE HOPING FOR IT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING, MR. BOYLE, I THINK YOU'RE WAY TOO LOGICAL FOR GOVERNMENT.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF WORK THAT'S GONE ON IN HERE AND THERE'S PEOPLE AT ODDS THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MATT AND I DID WAS WE JUST PUT ASIDE, WE DON'T CARE WHO LIVES, WHERE, AND WE LOOKED AT THE NUMBER OF DRIVEWAYS SERVICE IT'S AS OBJECTIVE AS IT CAN BE.
AND, UM, AND I THINK THAT THE BIGGEST THING FOR ME IS I RETIRED REASONABLY WELL.
SO IT'S HARD FOR ME SOMETIMES TO REMEMBER THE YEARS I STRUGGLED AND THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE AT THAT $350, IT IS A BURDEN.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT REALISTICALLY, THE ONLY WAY THAT THAT FEE CAN DECLINE IS IF OUR MAINTENANCE PORTION OF THE BUDGET ALSO DECLINES BECAUSE 85% OF THE 350 IS JUST KEEPING WHAT WE HAVE.
AND I'M A TIGHTWAD, AS I TOLD YOU IN THE INTERVIEW PROCESS, AND I WOULD USE THE MONEY AS WISELY AS THE BOARD DEEMS NECESSARY, BUT BOTH, BOTH CHOICES WILL BE FINE.
UM, LIFE WILL GO ON AS I ALSO STAYED WELL GOING WITH, OR WITHOUT ME, AND, AND, AND IT WILL, BUT WE THINK THAT IT'S A WISER POSITION TO TAKE, TO HIT THE THOUSAND DRIVEWAYS THAN IT WOULD BE TO HIT THAT THAT'S EVERYBODY UP THE MOUNTAIN THAT DEALS WITH THE SNOW, THAT'S ALL THE WAY UP PAST THE OLD OAK TREE, IF YOU'VE BEEN UP THERE.
AND, AND THAT HITS A LOT OF PEOPLE.
MAY I ASK JUST A COUPLE OF, SO WE, WE PUT FORTH KIND OF, UM, A SCALE OF HOW WE EVALUATE RHODES.
DID YOU USE THAT SCALE AT ALL? WHEN YOU DID YOUR CANVAS AROUND, YOU KNOW, LIKE D DO SCHOOL BUSES GO ON THESE ROADS, IS THAT GOING TO IMPACT THE ABILITY? I KNOW CHILDREN ARE WALKING
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UP THE MOUNTAIN AFTER THE SCHOOL BUS DROPS.SO WILL THIS CHANGE THAT AT ALL? YES.
WHAT WE EVALUATED ON OUR COST FACTOR WAS DOWN THERE, WHICH ROADS ARE MOST READY, READILY ACCEPTABLE TO GOING AHEAD AND GETTING PAID VERSUS OLD OAK, WHICH NEEDS, I DON'T THINK PEOPLE REALIZE THERE'S A SPECIAL CRANE.
THE CULVERT ALONE IS 300 AND SOME THOUSAND DOLLARS TO BIG ONE AND THE COST TO DELIVER.
UH, SO YOU'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF MONEY AND I'M NOT SURE THAT PUTTING THAT BIG CRANE WITH THAT BIG CULVERT ON IT, GOING ACROSS THE GAS LINES, IT'S GOING TO S GOING TO SUFFICE AND THAT'S RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE OLD OAK.
SO I TAKE TO HEART WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT PUTTING A BANDAID ON IT.
AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN DOING.
WE'RE INTERESTED IN DOING THAT.
I USE THE ANALOGY ALL THE TIME.
WE'D LOVE TO HAVE THE CADILLAC, BUT WE CAN SETTLE FOR A CHEVROLET.
WELL, I YOU'VE SAID THAT IT'S ULTIMATELY OUR DECISION, BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE AN ADVISORY BOARD FOR THAT REASON TO ADVISE US, AND THEY'RE YOUR ROADS AND IT'S YOUR MONEY.
SO, YOU KNOW, I, I TAKE TO HEART VERY MUCH WHAT YOU WANT.
AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION IF, HOW MUCH THE COMMUNITY HAS HAD INPUT.
AND IF YOUR COMMUNITY'S BEHIND YOU, I WAS THAT THUNDER AGAIN, TALK ABOUT STORMS. SO THERE'S HOPE YOUR ROSE DON'T GET TESTED TONIGHT.
UM, BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, I CAN, I AGREE THAT YOU'RE GETTING A BIGGER BANG FOR YOUR BUCK AND MORE PEOPLE ARE GETTING SERVED, UM, VERSUS DOING JUST ODO FIVE AND FOUR.
UM, BUT I, I FEEL EVEN BETTER ABOUT IT IF I KNEW THAT THE CONSENSUS SOMEHOW OF THAT COMMUNITY WAS, YEAH, WE ALL AGREE THAT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THE WAY WE WANT IT TO BE TO, UM, IT'S THE NUMBER ONE COMPLAINT, BARBECUE TIME, ANYTIME, UH, YOU CERTAIN PEOPLE, I HAVE A NEIGHBORS AT THE CORNER.
YOU CAN'T HAVE A BARBECUE BECAUSE OF THE DUST ON DRUMMER HILL AND THEIR COMMENT.
UM, AND I LOOKED AT MY, IN THAT HOUSE AS A RENTAL YEARS BEFORE THAT, AND THE DUST WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DROVE ME AWAY FROM IT.
UM, YOUR CAR GETS CODED, YOU KNOW, SO ON WE SUPPORT WHAT YOU DECIDE THOUGH.
UM, MADAM CHAIR, UM, THAT IS MY DISTRICT AND I TRAVEL IT RELATIVELY FREQUENTLY JUST TO RIDE THE ROAD, SO TO SPEAK SOME OF THOSE ROADS, I CAN'T GET MY CAR ON AND WILL NOT TAKE IT ON IT.
BUT THE NUMBER ONE COMPLAINT THAT I HEAR IS THE ROADS.
OH, I AGREE THAT I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE ALL VERY WELL.
AND I HAVE DRIVEN DOWN THERE AND WONDERED IF I WAS GONNA FIND MY WAY BACK OUT.
IT'S, IT'S, UM, IT'S BEAUTIFUL, BUT IT'S, UH, FINDING YOUR WAY TO WHERE YOU'RE GOING.
EVEN THE GPS DOESN'T HELP YOU IN TIMES, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT WOULD BE KNOWING THAT EVERYBODY'S BEHIND YOU, YOU KNOW, IS, AND I, I LIVED AS, I JUST RECENTLY GOT PART OF OUR ROAD UNDER THE RURAL REST OR AFTER ABOUT 30 YEARS OF BEING ON IT.
SO I'VE, I'VE LIVED ON DIRT ROAD.
I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND EVEN TAR AND CHIP, IT, DOESN'T GET RID OF ALL THE DEATHS, BUT IT SURE BRINGS IT DOWN A SIGNIFICANT, THERE'S AN ULTIMATE SAVINGS IN HERE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT REALLY CAN'T AFFORD THAT THREE 50, THEY'RE SPENDING PROBABLY 700 TO $2,000 A YEAR IN CAR MAINTENANCE.
AND THAT'S A HIDDEN BENEFIT THAT THEY DON'T SEE BECAUSE, AND I RESPECT THAT.
YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT WHAT PROTEIN YOU'RE GOING TO PUT ON YOUR TABLE FOR THAT NIGHT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SEE, I, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT TO PUT NEW TIRES ON, THEY'RE GONNA BUY THE CHEAPEST ONES POSSIBLE, BUT I THINK ULTIMATELY THE SAVINGS TO THE RESIDENTS AND THE DUST AND THE ROADS, CAR MAINTENANCE, THE ABILITY TO GET IN AND OUT IN THE WINTER TIME, FAR OUTWEIGHS DOING OLD OAK FOUR AND FIVE FIRST.
AND I THINK THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE WOULD AGREE WITH THAT WHOLEHEARTEDLY.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYBODY THAT WOULD STEP BACK FROM THAT TODD TENANT AT ONE OF THE MEETINGS, THE LAST MEETING, NOT THIS ONE, THE OTHER NIGHT SAID HE LIVES ON WESTERN.
HE DROVE UP AROUND THE ROADS WHERE WE LIVE AND HE SAYS, WE'VE GOT NOTHING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT ON WESTERN VERSUS, YOU KNOW, SO I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT HE'S SAYING.
AND I THINK HE'S SEEING IT, MATT AND I WENT FOR OUR TWO AND A HALF HOUR RIDE THAT SUNDAY, TODD WENT FOR A TWO HOUR RIDE.
I KNOW SARAH HAS BEEN UP AND ABOUT, AND CHARLES WENT UP BY HIMSELF AS WELL, BECAUSE WE'RE BOUND BY THE SAME THING.
YOU CAN'T HAVE THREE PEOPLE IN THE CAR BECAUSE IT'S A CONSENSUS MEETING AND WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT, BUT WE'VE ALL MADE TRIPS EVERYWHERE.
AND, UH, ALL THREE OF THE PENNINGTON PROPERTIES, ALL THREE OF THE GATE, WHATEVER.
AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT DIFFERENT SOLUTIONS.
AND WHAT WE THINK IS LONG-TERM, THIS IS BETTER.
MA'AM UH, IF YOU LOOKED AT THE SCHEDULE FOR OLD OAK FOUR, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO GET YOUR COST ESTIMATES NEXT MONTH IN SEPTEMBER, AND THERE MIGHT BE AN ADVANTAGE FOR YOU TO GO AHEAD AND GET THOSE COSTS AND THEN DECIDE TO DELAY
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THE PROJECT SO THAT YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S CLOSER.SO THAT IF IT'S ANOTHER THREE YEARS BEFORE WE DO THE PROJECT, THAT YOU'RE NOT THEN USING EIGHT YEAR OLD NUMBERS, THAT YOU'RE ONLY THREE YEAR OLD NUMBERS, NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE NECESSARILY WANT TO DO THE PROJECT NEXT MONTH, BUT IF YOU'RE EXPECTING YOUR FINAL COSTS IN ANOTHER MONTH, THAT WOULD GIVE YOU A BETTER ESTIMATE TO BE WORKING ON FOR FOUR AND FIVE.
AND THEN YOU COULD DISCONTINUE THE PROJECTS UNTIL TABLE THEM.
YOU WILL UNTIL FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS AND APPLIED BACK TO V DOT THAT'S EVERY OTHER SPRING.
SO YOU CAN APPLY IN SPRING OF 23 OR SPRING OF 25.
SO JUST GIVE YOU A FRAMEWORK THERE AND YOU COULD BE WORKING ON SOME OF THESE OTHER ROADS IN BETWEEN THAT TIME.
I COULD ALSO BE GETTING THE REQUIRED MINIMUM BIDS FROM THE PEOPLE FOR THE REST OF IT AS WELL, AND THIS TIME.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, THERE'S A COMMENT.
I THINK THAT'D BE GREAT TO DO THAT.
HAVE A BASELINE, SOMETHING TO START WITH.
WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALL THE WORK YOU'RE DOING ON THAT BOARD TO, UM, YOU KNOW, TO BRING THIS TO US, WE APPRECIATE IT.
AND I WILL HAVE MORE DETAILED EMAILS THE FIRST TIME AROUND I, UH, I'VE TAUGHT HIGH SCHOOL.
SO TO KEEP IT SHORT AND SIMPLE WAS KISS
SO, UM, I APOLOGIZE, MR. MAY HAVE ASKED ME TO PUT MORE IN IT.
SO I DID ON THE SECOND ONE, BUT THAT'S WHY IT DIDN'T COME OUT.
THE FIRST ONE IS SHORTENED TO THE POINT.
DOES, DOES MICHAEL WANNA, YOU, HAVE YOU GOT ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT TO ADD? I MEAN, I'M NOT TRYING TO STEP OVER CHAIRMAN AND NOTHING MORE OR LESS, YOU ALL HAVE QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. KOHLFELD? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.
[B. Discussion – Request for Attendance Compensation from the Economic Development Authority Board of Directors – Joe Petty]
DISCUSSION REQUESTS FOR ATTENDANCE COMPENSATION FROM THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY BOARD.MR. PETTY, MY NAME'S ON HERE, BUT I BELIEVE MR. BROWN, THE CHAIRMAN IS ACTUALLY GOING TO GIVE A REPORT I'M HERE FOR ANY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I JUST READ WHAT'S ON THE PAPER.
WELL, FIRST I'D LIKE TO THANK THIS BOARD.
WE'VE COME A LONG WAY IN THE THREE YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY.
WE COULDN'T HAVE DONE IT WITHOUT THIS BOARD.
SO I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR THAT.
UH, YOU'VE BEEN A STALWART SUPPORTER AND HELPED US GET TO WHERE WE ARE.
UM, WE'D LIKE TO START A CONVERSATION ON COMPENSATION FOR THE EDA BOARD.
IF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AGREES, WE SUGGEST THAT IT START IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, NOT THIS YEAR, BUT NEXT YEAR, UM, YOU SHOULD HAVE A CHART IN YOUR NEAR A BOOK THERE, UM, THAT CHOSE OTHER ADA'S AND, AND WHAT THEY GET.
UM, OTHER COUNTY EDS IN THIS AREA DO GET COMPENSATED CLARK FOR FREDERICK SHANANDOAH DOESN'T.
UH, BUT THOSE ARE TWO IN OUR AREA.
OTHER WARREN COUNTY BOARDS RECEIVE COMPENSATION, ZONING APPEALS, AND PLANNING COMMISSION RECEIVE A HUNDRED DOLLARS A MEETING IN MILEAGE FREE TO THE FRONT ROYAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY BOARD MEMBERS RECEIVE $200 A MEETING.
SO THERE IS COMPENSATION AND THAT IS A POSSIBILITY I JUST WANT TO WALK THROUGH.
AND, UH, WITH YOU, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE WE, WE DO ON THE EDA.
SO YOU HAVE A SENSE OF, OF WHAT IT IS THAT, UH, WE'RE INVOLVED IN.
WE'RE WORKING ON MARKETING AND SELLING 32 PLUS MILLION DOLLARS IN PROPERTY.
UM, WE'VE RENEGOTIATED THIS YEAR AND LAST, UH, MILLIONS AND LOANS OVER $12 MILLION IN LOANS, WE MANAGE RENTAL PROPERTIES.
WE'RE VERY INVOLVED IN THE CIVIL CASES THAT BROUGHT IN OVER FOUR $14 MILLION IN DAMAGES IN JULY AND ARE LEADING, UH, OUR LEAD ON THE NEGOTIATING WITH THE TOWN OVER THE EDA TOWN LAWSUITS.
WE HAVE A LOT, THAT'S BEEN PUT ON OUR BOARD.
UM, WE'VE HAD A FIVE OR A SEVEN OR A SEVEN PERSON BOARD, BUT WE'VE HAD FIVE, ONLY FIVE MEMBERS FOR, UH, 18 MONTHS.
UM, AND THAT TIME PERIOD, WE HAD NO STAFF FOR EIGHT MONTHS
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AND ARE STILL WORKING OUT OPERATING PROCEDURES WITH THE COUNTY.WE'VE BEEN IN A HOT REAL ESTATE MARKET, WHICH IS GREAT.
UH, AND, UH, BUT IT MEANS THAT WE'VE HAD TO FEEL NUMEROUS, UH, OFFERS FOR SOME OF OUR, OUR TOP AND, AND, UH, MOST LUCRATIVE PROPERTIES.
AND WE'RE CONTINUALLY EVALUATING AND WORKING WITH PROSPECTIVE MANUFACTURERS TO MOVE HERE WHO WOULD BENEFIT OUR COMMUNITY WITH JOBS AND TAX REVENUES.
UM, THERE'S A, UH, THERE'S A DEGREE OF, OF RISK ASSOCIATED WITH BEING ON THE EDA THAT I WILL ALSO WANT TO ADDRESS.
UM, WE HAVE A LEGAL EXPOSURE AS INDEPENDENT MEMBERS AND AREN'T COVERED UNDER THE COUNTY'S LEGAL UMBRELLA.
UM, FOR EXAMPLE, FORMER BOARD MEMBERS WERE UNJUSTLY ACCUSED OF CRIMES, HAD TO HIRE ATTORNEYS WITH THEIR, ON THEIR OWN DIME AND PAID FOR THEM OUT OF THEIR OWN POCKETS.
UM, RECENTLY IN, IN, UM, UH, JULY, UH, TWO JURIES IN OUR CIVIL CASES HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO FIND FORMER BOARD MEMBERS NEGLIGENT IN COUNTERCLAIM SUITS AND DIDN'T FIND OR AWARD DEFENDANTS ANY COMPENSATIONS.
SO AGAIN, COSTS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH BEING ON THIS BOARD, DON'T GET ME WRONG.
UM, WE ARE HONORED TO BE ON THE BOARD ON, ON THE EDA BOARD AND HONORED THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, PUT ITS TRUST IN US TO MAKE THE BEST POSSIBLE DECISIONS FOR COUNTY RESIDENTS.
BUT PROVIDING A MEETING SIPHON IS A SIMPLE SHOW OF APPRECIATION FOR THE TIME AND TALENT.
THE EDA BOARD NEED BOARD NEEDS TO ATTRACT, UH, BOTH, UH, AND, UH, NEEDS TO ATTRACT AND MAINTAIN.
WE ASKED THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE A MEETING STIPEND FOR EDA BOARD MEMBERS AND THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR'S BUDGET.
I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND I'M OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BROWN? YEAH, I HAVE ONE.
SO HOW MANY MEETINGS A MONTH WOULD BE PART OF THIS SCHEDULE HERE? UM, I MEAN, UH, WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE IT JUST BEFORE OUR MONTHLY MEETINGS, SO THERE'D BE A TOTAL OF 12 AND THEN ANY OUTSIDE MEETINGS, ANYTHING ABOVE AND BEYOND.
UM, IT'S, IT'S POSSIBLE UNDER THE STATE STATUTE, UM, FOR, UM, COMMITTEE MEETINGS IN THE LINE, UM, AND, AND OTHER MEETINGS, BUT, UH, IF WE WERE NOT ASKING FOR THAT.
AND, AND WHAT ABOUT LIKE CONFERENCES THAT YOU MAY GO TO? WOULD THAT BE, WOULD THAT CONSTANT TO THE MEETING? UM, IN MY THREE YEARS, WE'VE NEVER BEEN TO A CONFERENCE.
ANY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS, TYPICALLY WHAT WE DO IS WE S WE'VE BEEN SENDING STAFF.
UM, SO IN THIS CASE, UH, WE STRONGLY URGE THAT JOE WOULD BE GOING, SO I'M SORRY.
SO WITH REFERENCE TO CONFERENCES AND MEETINGS MAY AMEND MY PRIOR LIFE.
YOU HAD ME OVER ON THE EDA AND MR. PARSONS DID TAKE MYSELF AND DR.
PATTERSON AND MR. BLANTON TO THE VIRGINIA ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MEETING ONE TIME, AND THE EDA PAID THE XR EXPENSES WEREN'T COMPENSATION, BUT THEY PAID THE EXPENSES FOR THAT MEETING.
THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE BUDGET.
IF, IF MR. PETTY WAS TAKING SOMEBODY TO A CONFERENCE, WE WOULD PAY ANY REGISTRATION, ET CETERA, TYPE FEE, JUST LIKE WE DO FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR THE BZA, ET CETERA, WE WOULD DO THAT AUTOMATICALLY OUT OF THE BUDGET.
SO THESE WOULD BE OFFICIALLY CALLED MEETINGS THEN, YOU KNOW, NOT RIGHT.
I KNOW THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING IS AWAY.
SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S JUST, WE UNDERSTAND THEY'RE CALLED MEETINGS.
IT'S MORE, IT'S MORE FOR THE APPRECIATION.
I THINK THAT, UH, THIS IS A GROUP THAT DOES A LOT OF WORK.
I'M VERY PROUD OF OUR, UH, OF OUR BOARD AND THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE AND BEEN ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH, UH, EVEN WITHOUT LAW, THE RESOURCES THAT, UH, WE MIGHT OTHERWISE EXPECT.
SO, NO, I'VE, I'VE SAT IN YOUR MEETINGS AND I'VE BEEN IMPRESSED WITH A LOT OF THE HOMEWORK EVERYONE DOES TO PREPARE FOR THOSE MEETINGS WHERE WE'RE WORKING BOARD.
SO W WOULD YOU RECOMMEND THAT A CAP TO THIS, LIKE IT, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE ON THE FRONT ROYAL EDA, IT'S $200 PER MEETING, WOULD YOU RECOMMEND A CAP OF $200, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR THE MONTH OR $400 OR $600? SO, UH, BY STATE LAW, I WE'RE, WE'RE CAPPED AT $200 IS AS MUCH AS YOU COULD ASK FOR.
AND WE WOULD NOT ASK FOR, OBVIOUSLY BE ABLE TO, OR WANT TO ASK FOR MORE OF THE, SO THEN IF YOU HAD
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ONE MEETING OR FIVE MEETINGS, IT WOULD STILL STILL BE $200.OH, IF WE HAD FIVE MEETINGS IN A MONTH YEAH.
I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER HAD FIVE.
SO WHAT I'M SAYING THOUGH, IS THAT, YEAH, THAT WOULD BE ONE, ONE MEETING FOR THE MONTHLY MEETING OF THE SCHEDULED MONTHLY MEETING.
SO THEN THIS WOULD NOT INCLUDE ANY OTHER UNSCHEDULED MEETINGS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO THEN BASICALLY IT WOULD JUST BE A STIPEND OR $200 A MONTH.
UM, AND IT WOULD PUT US IN LINE WITH OTHER BOARDS THAT ARE PART OF WARREN COUNTY AND THEN THE FRONT ROYAL ADA AS WELL.
SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS I WAS GOING TO ASK MR. PETTY.
SO THE EDA HAS ITS OWN BUDGET, CORRECT? NOT REALLY.
MA'AM UM, WELL, THERE'S A, THERE IS A BUDGET BECAUSE IT'S IN A BUDGET THAT I APPROVED, BUT IT'S A BUDGET THAT YOU PUT THE MONEY IN AND APPROVED.
SO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT HAS A BUDGET AND THAT BUDGET IS MANAGED BY YOU, CORRECT? WITH THEIR INVOLVEMENT IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE MANAGING THE BUDGET.
SO YOU COULD PROPOSE THIS IN YOUR BUDGET NEXT YEAR, IF, IF YOU SO WANT IT TO YES.
AND THAT'S THE QUESTION IS TO LOOK AT ADDING THIS FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR AS, AS A LINE ITEM.
IT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING YOU'RE MANAGING AT THIS POINT.
IT'S BEING MANAGED FROM A DEPARTMENT INSTEAD OF FROM THE AUTHORITY.
I THINK LIKE IT PREVIOUSLY WAS, BUT TO ME IT'S SIX OF ONE AND HALF THE AUTHOR.
WELL, IT'S A DIFFERENT IN THE SENSE THAT, UM, BEFORE THE EDA, UH, BOARD VOTED ON IT, REVIEWED IT AND VOTED ON IT AND NOW, UM, IT'S DISCUSSED, BUT IT ISN'T SOMETHING THAT WE ACTUALLY APPROVE.
SO THERE IS A, AT LEAST IN MY HEAD, A DIFFERENCE IT'S BASICALLY IN LINE WITH THE RE THE REST OF OUR DEPARTMENTS.
THEY, THEY BUILD THEIR BUDGET AND THEN WE COME AND REVIEW IT AND FIGURE OUT WHAT CAN STAY AND WHAT CAN GO.
I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM, BECAUSE I'M, IF THERE'S ANYBODY WHO CAN GET SOMETHING WRONG, IT'S ME AND THE, I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM, SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT WOULD BE A CAP OF $200 A MONTH, REGARDLESS OF HOW MANY MEETINGS.
OR IT COULD BE A CAP OF A HUNDRED DOLLARS A MONTH, DEPENDING ON WHAT MR. PETTY'S BUDGET.
WELL, WE'RE GOING TO THE RIGHT.
HE'S JUST USING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE.
THE OTHER COUNTY BOARDS ARE $100 A MONTH, MAN.
I, I SAW THAT THE, THE WARREN COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION AND THAT'D BE IT THEN THE BZA IS A HUNDRED EACH.
[C. Discussion – Department of Fire and Rescue Services Certification Program and Relation to Compensation – Jane Meadows/Chief James Bonzano]
DEPARTMENT OF FIRE AND RESCUE SERVICES, CERTIFICATION PROGRAM, AND RELATION TO COMPENSATION MS. MEADOWS, AND SHE FINDS ON HIM.HOW ARE YOU ON, SO THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO HEAR OUR KIND OF NEXT STEPS.
AND IT'S A BIT OF A FOLLOW-UP FROM OUR LAST CONVERSATION TALKING ABOUT THE ALS CERTIFICATIONS.
SO WE WANTED TO GO THROUGH AND REALLY SIMPLIFY THE PROCESS BECAUSE IT WAS VERY CONVOLUTED AND A LITTLE CONFUSING.
SO WHAT I JUST GAVE EACH OF YOU IS A LAYOUT OF WHERE WE'RE CURRENTLY AT, WHERE WE WANT TO MOVE TO AND WHAT THE IMPACT WOULD BE.
SO CURRENTLY WE HAVE FIREFIGHTERS WHO ARE CLASSIFIED AS EITHER AN EMT OR PARAMEDIC.
UM, ALL FIREFIGHTERS HAVE TO HAVE A BASIC EMT CERTIFICATION.
AND THEN IF THEY GET ADDITIONAL CERTIFICATIONS, ONCE THEY GET TO THE INTERMEDIATE OR PARAMEDICS, EITHER THEN RECLASSIFIED AS A PARAMEDIC, ONCE THEY THEN
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MOVE INTO THE OFFICER LEVEL.SO A LIEUTENANT OR A CAPTAIN, THEIR CERTIFICATIONS BASICALLY DON'T HAVE AN IMPACT FINANCIALLY FOR THEM.
SO THERE'S NO INCENTIVE TO THE EMPLOYEE TO MAINTAIN IT.
HOWEVER, THERE IS A GREAT BENEFIT TO THE COUNTY AND TO ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS, IF THEY DO MAINTAIN IT, BECAUSE THEY'RE ABLE TO ACTUALLY PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SERVICES.
UM, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE NINE PARAMEDICS WHO ARE CURRENTLY CLASSIFIED AS A PARAMEDIC, AND THEN WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL SEVEN WHO ARE ABOUT TO, OR HAVE THEY ALREADY FINISHED THEIR COURSES, THE STATE BOARDS THAT THEY HAVE TO SIT FOR.
SO WE'RE CONTINUING TO MOVE TOWARDS A HIGHER SKILLED LEVEL.
UM, THE PAY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, WELL, I GUESS I SHOULD TALK ABOUT THE CURRENT.
SO IN THE MIDDLE COLUMN, YOU'LL SEE THE CURRENT.
SO WHERE WE HAVE PAY GRADE SIX FOR OUR EMT.
UM, AND THEN IF SOMEONE HAS AN ADVANCED EMT, THEY'RE STILL A PAY GRADE SIX.
IF THEY THEN RECEIVE THE INTERMEDIATE CERTIFICATION, THEY THEN ARE RECLASSIFIED AS A PAY GRADE NINE, WHICH FALLS INTO THE PARAMEDIC PAY GRADE.
UM, AND THEN ONCE THEY ARE CLASSIFIED AS A PARAMEDIC, SO THEY PASS THAT CERTIFICATION, IT'S STILL THE SAME PAY GRADE.
SO THERE IS NO REAL DIFFERENCE.
UM, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE REALLY QUANTIFYING THAT AND REWARDING PEOPLE APPROPRIATELY, CURRENTLY IT'S, UH, 70, $7,201 DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A PAY GRADE SIX AND A PAY GRADE NINE FOR THE FIRE AND RESCUE SCALE.
UM, SO THAT'S WHERE WE'LL, WE'RE PROPOSING IS TO HAVE THE PAY GRADES BY POSITION.
AND THEN YOU GET ADDITIONAL PAY BASED OFF OF YOUR CERTIFICATION.
THAT WAY YOU'RE ACTUALLY REWARDED FOR THE CERTIFICATION LEVEL THAT YOU'RE MAINTAINING.
AND IT WOULD CARRY FROM NOT ONLY THE BASIC FIREFIGHTER, BUT ALSO INTO THE OFFICER CLASS, BECAUSE SO MANY OF OUR OFFICERS ARE ACTUALLY KIND OF BOOTS ON THE GROUND, I GUESS YOU WOULD SAY, UM, THEY'RE ACTUALLY ON THE CALLS.
SO THEY'RE BEING THE ONES GIVING CARE.
UM, WHAT WE WANTED TO DO IS FOR THE PAY GRADE SIX.
SO A FIREFIGHTER, IF YOU DO HAVE THE ADVANCED CERTIFICATION, IT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL $2,600.
AND THAT WOULD BE FUNDS THAT ARE ACTUALLY ADDED TO THEIR BASE SALARY.
SO THAT WOULD CON REALLY CONTRIBUTE TOWARDS THEIR RETIREMENT.
UM, IF THEY HAVE THE INTERMEDIATE CERTIFICATION, THEY'D GET AN ADDITIONAL $4,000 ADDED TO THEIR BASE SALARY.
AND THEN FOR THE PARAMEDIC CERTIFICATION, IT WOULD BE $7,250.
AND THAT WOULD CARRY ALONG, REGARDLESS OF WHICH LEVEL OF LEADERSHIP THEY'RE IN, WHETHER THEY'RE A PARAMEDICAL LIEUTENANT OR A CAPTAIN, AS LONG AS THEY MAINTAIN THAT CERTIFICATION, IF THEY LOSE THE CERTIFICATION, THEY WOULD GO BACK TO THE BASE PAY RATE.
SO THAT'S EVERY YEAR IT WOULD BE PART, YES, IT WOULD BECOME PART OF THEIR ASSERTIVE, UM, THEIR COMPENSATION, AS LONG AS THEY MAINTAIN THAT CERTIFICATION.
SO IF I MAY JUST A SECOND, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE PAID PROPORTIONATELY IN THEIR BIWEEKLY PAY.
SO JUST AS LONG AS THEY ARE CERTIFIED AND WORKING THERE WHERE THEY WOULD RECEIVE IT, THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD SAVE IT, BUT IT WOULD BE PART OF THEIR PAY SCALE.
SO IF THEY DON'T MAINTAIN THEIR CERTIFICATION, THEN THEY, THEY DROPPED DOWN TO A, THE LOWER LEVEL.
SO WHAT DOES IT TAKE FOR THEM TO MAINTAIN THEIR CERTIFICATION? UH, YOU CAN SPEAK TO THAT GOOD EVENING.
UH, SO THERE IS NOT ONLY THE CONTINUING EDUCATION REQUIREMENTS, UH, BOTH CLINICALLY AND ACTUALLY HANDS-ON THAT THEY HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE, AND THE NUMBERS I DON'T HAVE IN FRONT OF ME, BUT SUFFICE TO SAY THEY'RE PRETTY EXTENSIVE.
UM, AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE'S ALSO, THEY WORK UNDER AND AT THE PLEASURE OF OUR MEDICAL DIRECTOR, DR.
SO THERE'S NUMEROUS METRICS IN PLACE, NOT ONLY PERFORMANCE METRICS, BUT ALSO SKILL SET METRICS, AS WELL AS ACADEMIC METRICS.
AND THOSE ARE MET, UM, NOT ONLY BY THE COMMONWEALTH STANDARDS, BUT ALSO OUR MEDICAL DIRECTOR AS WELL.
SO THESE CERTIFICATIONS ARE THEY, UM, DO THEY HAVE TO PAY OUT OF THEIR OWN POCKET? SO, UM, SOME PEOPLE CAME TO US WITH THE CERTIFICATION AND SOME OF THOSE FOLKS WE'VE ACTUALLY NOW TRAINED UP MOST RECENTLY, WE HAVE SEVEN PARAMEDICS OR PARAMEDIC TO BE IN, IN CLASS THAT WE SPLIT, UM, A 50, 50% SPLIT WHERE THE STUDENT ACTUALLY PAY 50%.
AND WE PAID 50%, UM, THAT CAME BACK TO US THROUGH THE COMMONWEALTH, THROUGH AN ACTUAL GRANT PROGRAM.
UM, AND THAT WAS CONTINGENT ON THEM PASSING.
AND BEFORE PERFORMING, UM, AS OF RIGHT NOW, AS JANE ALLUDED TO, UM, ALL OF THOSE STUDENTS NOW HAVE PASSED THE ACADEMIC PORTION OF THAT,
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THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THEIR CAPSTONE AND TAKING THEIR BOARD EXAMINATIONS.SO THESE CERTIFICATIONS AT THE DIFFERENT LEVELS, OR IT IS THE COST, THE PRICE IS THE SAME ACROSS THE BOARD.
WHEN YOU SAY COST, WELL, WHEN I'M LOOKING AT HERE, YOU KNOW, THE BASIC EMS OF CERTIFICATION OF ADVANCED SEARCH MEDIA, ET CETERA, AND YOU HAVE THE 50 50 COST SHARE WITH THE, YEAH, IT'S A ONE-TIME COST.
SO WE'VE, THAT'S ALREADY BEEN PAID.
AND, AND THEN BE VERY HONEST WITH IT.
WE, WE INCREASED THE NUMBER AND FOR ONE REASON, SIMPLY BECAUSE THERE'S A DEFINITIVE NEED IN THE COMMUNITY.
UM, ORIGINALLY WHEN I CAME ABOARD AND PROCEEDED ME, IT WAS, THE NUMBERS WERE EVEN LESS, BUT ONE ONLY THREE OF OUR COMPANIES AT THAT TIME WERE FULL PERFORMING AN ALS STANDARDS WITH, YOU KNOW, WHAT, GOD'S GRACE AND THEN PASSING THESE NEXT STEPS.
EVERY FIREHOUSE THAT WE HAVE THAT STAFF TODAY ON ALL THREE SHIFTS, WE STAFFED AT A PARAMEDIC LEVEL.
SO EVERY TIME THEY GET RECERTIFIED, LET'S SAY THEY GOT CERTIFIED ONE YEAR.
THIS I'M JUST GOING TO BE USING THE ADVANCE FOR $2,600.
SO FOR $2,600, IF THEY MAINTAIN THEIR CERTIFICATION FOR THAT YEAR, THEN THAT'S ROLLED INTO THEIR PAY SCALE.
NOW, NEXT YEAR COMES ALONG AND THEY HAVE TO MAINTAIN THE CERTIFICATION.
IT WOULD CONTINUE AS LONG AS THEY HAVE THOSE CIRCUITS.
I UNDERSTAND THAT PART UNDER SET.
SO IF THEY MAINTAIN THEIR CERTIFICATION YEARLY, THEY'LL CONTINUE TO GET THIS JUST USING THE $2,600.
THE $2,600 PAY INCREASE EVERY YEAR, BUT IT WOULD BE LIKE A BONUS ALMOST RIGHT.
IT WOULD STILL BE EACH YEAR YOU GET 26.
SO IF DECEMBER 31ST THEY DROPPED THE CERTIFICATION, THEN THEY'D GO BACK TO THE BASE PAY, BUT IT WOULDN'T BUILD AN ADDITIONAL TOOL.
SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT BUILDING IT UP EVERY YEAR.
AND THEN OF COURSE, IF THEY GO TO THE NEXT LEVEL, THEN THEY'LL GET AN ADDITIONAL MAINTAINING THAT AND THEY'LL JUST ROLL INTO THEIR PAY SCALE.
CHIEF, DO YOU HAVE ANY INSTANCES WHERE SAY LIKE, UH, UH, I CAN UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WITH THE FIREFIGHTERS HAVING THE THREE DIFFERENT LEVELS, YOU HAVE ANY INSTANCES WHERE SAY LIKE A LIEUTENANT IN ORDER TO BE A LIEUTENANT YOU'D BETTER BE ADVANCED, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL PAY TO THAT, RIGHT? SO THERE'S, UM, A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF SOME MISS MS. COOK ON, EXCUSE ME, MISS OATS ASKED ME A QUESTION, UM, TO GIVE ME SOME DATA.
UM, LAST TIME I WAS HERE REGARDING THE DISTRIBUTION, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF SOME CONTEXT.
SO 82% OF OUR CALL VOLUME ARE JUST SHY OF 83% IS EMS RELATED WITH THE BALANCE BEAM, SUPPRESSION OR FIRE, UM, WITH SOME PUBLIC SERVICE MIXED IN THERE AS WELL, BUT OF THAT 82% THIS YEAR, RON PARR, WE'RE ABOUT 45, 40 6% OF THAT IS AT THE ALS LEVEL.
SO THAT OF THAT EMS CALL VOLUME, AND THAT'S GONE UP 10% FROM LAST YEAR.
AND THE REASON THAT IS, IS THAT WE HAVE MORE PROVIDERS IN THE STREETS, HENCE DELIVERING THAT CARE.
SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, AS FAR AS ERECTILE AT SKILL LEVEL FOR A LIEUTENANT OR ABOVE, IT IS NOT, I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE A GOOD BALANCE.
AND FRANKLY, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO GET TO IS THE IMPORTANCE OF REWARDING, THE SKILL SET, WHEREVER YOU SERVE, BUT, AND THEN COMPENSATED DUALLY.
UM, THESE BENCHMARKS THAT JANE HAS BROUGHT FORWARD THAT WE HAVE RESEARCHED ARE NOT UNCOMMON IN THE INDUSTRY.
AND FRANKLY, WE'RE STILL, WE DON'T PAY COMPARABLE TO OUR PEERS IF YOU WILL, IN THE, IN THE SHENANDOAH VALLEY, HOWEVER, IT'S A HUGE STEP.
AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT DISTINGUISHES US IS IF WE WERE TO MOVE TOWARDS SOMETHING LIKE THIS, NOT ONLY IS IT, UH, YOU KNOW, HISTORICALLY THE CONVERSATION HAS BEEN ON A STIPEND OR A BONUS, BUT THIS IS ACTUALLY BUILT INTO THEIR SALARY.
SO HENCE ONE, THEY CONTINUE THE SKILLSET AND IT'S PART OF THEIR, PART OF THEIR, UH, THEIR PENSION AS THEY MOVE FORWARD.
AND SO THERE'S A FINANCIAL INCENTIVE AS WELL TO SUSTAIN IT.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YEAH.
AND THEN, THEN, UH, AS FAR AS THE CAPTAIN GOES, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UH, PART OF THE REQUIREMENT WOULD BE THAT THEY'RE AT LEAST INTERMEDIATE AND THAT THEY GET THEY'D GET NOTHING FOR THAT.
AND THEN IF THEY GO UP TO, TO, UH, YOU KNOW, PARAMEDIC, THAT'S WHERE THEY WOULD START GETTING SOME TYPE OF COMPENSATION.
AND IT'S, IT'S JUST COMMENSURATE WITH THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE A LIEUTENANT, YOU'RE EXPECTED CERTAIN THINGS, CAPTAIN YOU'RE EXPECTED CERTAIN THINGS.
UM, SO NOW I TRACK A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
SO THANKS FOR BRINGING ME BACK WHERE I NEED TO BE.
SO WE'D RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE TWO, UM, THREE OFFICERS I BELIEVE, AND I MAY BE INCORRECT, BUT I SAY, KNOWING THAT THEY ACTUALLY SUSTAINED THE INTERMEDIATE AND PARAMEDIC LEVEL AND THEY RECEIVE NO FINANCIAL ASCENSUS NOR HAVE THEY EVER.
SO THIS IS THE FIRST TIME FOR THIS.
NOT ONLY IS IT THE RIGHT THING TO DO FROM THE CONSTITUENT BASE, BUT EQUALLY IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE'RE REWARDING
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THEM FROM A MONETARY STANDPOINT, WHICH I THINK IS GOING TO PAY HUGE DIVIDENDS TO THE EMPLOYEE AS WELL.EXCUSE ME, CHIEF, ARE THERE REQUIREMENTS FOR CERTIFICATIONS ON AN EMR CYLANCE WITH PATIENTS? WE WE'VE TALKED AT DIFFERENT TIMES WHERE PEOPLE HAVE TO SWITCH AMBULANCES WITH THE PATIENT TO MAINTAIN THE PROPER, UH, CERTIFICATION, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
UM, SO WE HAVE A FINITE NUMBER AND SUFFICE TO SAY, IT'S NOT WHERE WE NEED TO BE.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE SEVEN OF OUR FIREFIGHTERS NOW ASPIRING TO BE PARAMEDIC LEVEL.
SO RIGHT NOW, WHAT THAT MEANS IS AS IF WE HAVE SOMEBODY TRAINED TO THE BASIC LIFE SUPPORT LEVEL OR AN EMT BASIC LEVEL, UM, AND THEY WERE TO RUN ACROSS A PATIENT THAT REQUIRES ADVANCED LEVEL CARE.
WE HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER UNIT AND MEET THEM ON THE SCENE OR SOMEBODY THAT HOLDS THAT ONE CERTIFICATION AND SKILL SET.
SO TO DELIVER THE SERVICE, UM, I DON'T NEED TO TELL PEOPLE THE CONCERNS YOU HAVE WITH THAT THERE'S DELAY IN SERVICE.
THERE IS DELAY IN TRANSPORT JUST TO INTERCEDE, NOT ONLY FROM A BASIC STANDPOINT, BUT ALSO FROM AN ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT.
AND THAT'S VERY COMMON IN, UM, IN WARREN COUNTY TODAY.
NOW I DO THINK WE'RE MAKING HUGE STRIDES AND THESE SEVEN GRADUATED FROM SCHOOL WILL TAKE US TO A NEW LAW, NEW LEVEL AS WELL.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SIR? YES.
AND THIS LAST CLASS IS JUST FINISHING NOW THAT WAS ABOUT NINE MONTHS OR IS THAT ABOUT RIGHT? YEAH.
CLOSER TO TIM WHEN THEY TEST OUT ALMOST A YEAR.
UM, AND THEY'VE DONE, UM, AND I'LL JUST TELL YOU THEY'VE DONE A FANTASTIC JOB, UM, WAY FROM THEIR TIME FROM THEIR FAMILY AND, UM, YOU KNOW, DOING ALL THE CLINICAL ROTATIONS OR RIDE ALONG IN ADDITION TO THEIR REGULAR WORK AND A FULL RIDE SCHEDULE AS WELL.
UM, AND AGAIN, I'M HAPPY TO SAY THAT ALL OF THEM HAVE GRADUATED FROM SCHOOL NOW THEY'LL GO IN THROUGH THE CLINICAL ROTATIONS, THE CAPSTONE AS WELL AS THE BOARD CERTIFICATION.
AND THIS IS INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET.
THIS IS INCLUDED IN THE FISCAL YEAR 23 BEDROOM.
WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE STIPEND PIECE OF IT OR THE, THE ACTUAL EDUCATIONAL COMPONENT WHILE WE PAID FOR IT WAS ALL PART OF OUR PREVIOUS BUDGET.
IT'S JUST THE ONE PREVIOUS BUDGET.
NO, IS THAT THE ONE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? THE ONE THAT WAS JUST, JUST TO PROVE FISCAL YEAR 23.
IT'S IN THIS BUDGET THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW, YOU HAVE THAT YOU BUDGETED FOR THAT.
THE TRAINING COST, NOT THE NEW SOUTH, NOT THE SALARIES, BUT THE ACTUAL EDUCATION, THE COST OF THE EDUCATION ITSELF.
SO THE SALARIES IS FOR NEXT YEAR.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT, THERE'S TWO THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH JANE BROUGHT FORWARD.
ONE IS THE W W WHAT FORMERLY WAS A STIPEND.
AND WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR AS WE MOVE FORWARD IS WHAT WE JUST PUT TOGETHER AS A SCALED OR A PART OF THEIR SALARY, PART OF THEIR ACTUAL COSTS MOVING FORWARD AT EVERY LEVEL.
BUT THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET.
THAT IS CORRECT IN THIS BUDGET THAT YOU ARE WORKING WITH TODAY FOR THE NEXT 11 MONTHS IT'S IN THERE.
SO WHAT WE DISCUSSED TWO WEEKS AGO, UM, ABOUT THE INCENTIVE PAY THAT WAS FROM THE 2122 BUDGET.
UM, AND SO THAT IS WHAT WE'RE SEEING ABOUT TRANSFERRING THE FUNDS TO PAY THAT OUT.
WHAT WE WERE DISCUSSING ABOUT THE CERTIFICATION PAY FOR 22, 23, WE ARE NOT BUDGETED FOR THAT.
UM, IT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL, ROUGHLY $75,000 IMPACT ANNUALLY.
UM, IN ORDER TO SHIFT TO THIS, UM, WE ARE ABLE TO COVER THE FUNDS, UM, THROUGH THE CURRENT BUDGET.
UM, AND THEN IT WOULD BE ABLE TO BE BUILT INTO THE SALARY BUDGET FOR 23, 24 AND GOING FORWARD.
BUT IT IS NOT CURRENTLY IN THE STAFF BUDGET AS WE HAVE IT IN THE BOOKS.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT'S NOT CURRENTLY IN THE BUDGET, BUT WE HAVE THE FUNDS TO COVER IT.
THERE ARE FUNDS THAT THE FIRE AND RESCUE IS ABLE TO BASICALLY COVER THE ADDITIONAL EXPENSE, WHICH IS $75,000 TO COVER ALL OF THESE FIREFIGHTER OR LIEUTENANT AND CAPTAIN, UM, CERTIFICATIONS.
SO THEY GET TO ABSORB IT WITH THEIR CURRENT BUDGET.
SO NO NEW MONEY, NO NEW MONEY.
SO ARE YOU LOOKING AT THE, THE SATELLITE, IF, IF EVERYBODY GOES, OH, I'M GOING TO BECOME A PARAMEDIC, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THEY ALL WENT OUT AND GOT PARAMEDICS, THEN IT WOULD BE $75,000.
OR ARE YOU JUST TAKING KIND OF THE AREAS THAT THERE IS A COST BENEFIT TO A
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HIGHER LEVEL CERTIFICATION? SO THEY'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SERVICES, WHICH WE GET REIMBURSED FOR.IF WE HAVE ADDITIONAL HIGHER LEVEL PROVIDERS, THE END OF THE DAY, IT WOULD PAY FOR ITSELF.
IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE COST RECOVERY FUND, THAT'S ONE OF THE EXTRA FUNDS YOU HAVE IN YOUR BUDGET OUTSIDE OF GENERAL FUND, THAT MONEY IS ALL RECEIVED FROM AMBULANCE TRIPS AND BALANCES.
AND WHEN WE RUN AND MAKE A CALL, THEN THERE'S A BILLING FOR IT, RIGHT? AND THE INSURANCE COMPANIES PAY THE BILLS THAT MONEY IS THEN USED TO BUY NEW AMBULANCES.
AND THIS NEXT YEAR, THIS YEAR, THIS CURRENT YEAR, WE WILL USE SOME OF THAT MONEY TO PAY FOR THIS.
AND WE PAY, WE GET RECEIVE MORE MONEY WHEN THERE'S HIGHER LEVELS OF SERVICE, BECAUSE THE ALS PARAMEDIC IS A HIGHER LEVEL THAN A BLS.
SO THE INSURANCE COMPANY PAYS MORE.
IT'S LIKE HAVING A PRIMARY CARE WITH A $25 COPAY AND GO INTO A SPECIALIST THAT YOU PAY A $40 COPAY MORE.
SO IF SOMEONE IS AN ALS PROVIDER, THEY'RE ABLE TO DO MORE.
SO IF I SEE A NURSE, A NURSE, WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO CERTAIN THINGS THAT A DOCTOR COULD, AND SO THEY CAN BUILD DIFFERENTLY.
AND THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT OUR PARAMEDICS ARE ABLE TO DO.
AND EACH SORT OF PATIENT LEVEL, THERE ARE, THERE'S BEEN TIMES.
SO, UM, AND NOT COMPLETELY ANECDOTE, THERE IS SOME DATA.
SO THAT 10% DIFFERENTIAL IS LARGELY BECAUSE WE'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE A SERVICE WE COULDN'T PRIOR BECAUSE WE SIMPLY DIDN'T HAVE THE NUMBERS.
SO AS WE BUILD, YOU KNOW, MORE CAPACITY AND MR. BUTLER, YOUR POINTS VALUE, AND THEN THEIR WELLBEING, IT NEEDED TO BE A CAP BECAUSE I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A BALANCE, BUT SUFFICE TO SAY, IF WE'RE TRAINING PEOPLE UP TO THE PARAMEDIC LEVEL, IT'S GOING TO MAKE US BETTER AS AN ORGANIZATION.
IT'S AN INSTITUTION, HENCE DELIVERING A BETTER SERVICE TO OUR, OUR CITIZEN BASE AS WELL.
DALEY ALLUDED TO THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT TIERS, THERE'S THE BASIC LIFE SUPPORT COSTS.
THERE'S AN ALS ONE OR A SIMPLE INTERVENTION OR ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT.
INTERVENTION ARE ONE WE CALL ALS TWO AND AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE LIKE A CARDIAC ARREST WOULD BE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
ANOTHER FACTOR THAT THIS COUNTY IS UP AGAINST THAT WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT AND THE IMPORTANCE OF AMERICA, UM, EMS SPECIFICALLY IN, IN ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT, MORE SPECIFIC IS THAT OUR TRANSPORT TIMES ARE SO LONG.
SO IF YOU'RE HAVING A HEART ATTACK IN THIS COUNTY AND THE RECEIVING FACILITY, THE CLOSEST RECEIVING FACILITY, OPTIMALLY IS WINCHESTER.
IT'S NOT WAR MEMORIAL AND SET TRANSPORT TIME, THAT TURNAROUND TIME, AND THAT LACK OF RESOURCES BEING ON THE STREET.
THAT'S WHY THIS IS A VALUABLE COMMODITY TO, TO THE, THEY JUST DON'T GET ME WRONG.
I'M NOT LOOKING FOR A CAP WHEN I WAS LOOKING FOR WAS, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE HAD THE BEST SCENARIO AND EVERYBODY GOT OF THE, UH, UM, PARAMEDIC CERTIFICATION, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD THAT, WHAT WOULD THAT POTENTIALLY COST NOW? I'M NOT SAYING, WELL, NO, WE DON'T WANT THAT BECAUSE IF WE COULD, I'D LOVE THAT BECAUSE IT'D BE BETTER FOR OUR CONSTITUENTS, BUT THE, UH, BUT IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE A LOT OF THAT WOULD BE OFFSET BY THE, THE, UM, YEAH, EXACTLY THE COST RECOVERY, BUT THAT'S JUST, WHAT I WANTED TO KNOW WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU'D SAID 75,000, AND IF EVERYBODY WENT OUT AND GOT THAT, I ALWAYS LIKE TO PLAN FOR WHAT IS THE WORST CASE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT IS GOING TO COST US THE MOST AND THEN, YOU KNOW, PLAN, PLAN FOR THAT.
AND THE, UH, I'D LOVE TO PLAN FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THAT'D BE FANTASTIC BECAUSE IT WOULD BE, IT'D BE GREAT FOR THE CONSTITUENTS BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE IN THE BEST CARE OF THEM.
AND, UH, SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
IT'S A SHOT IN THE ARM, BUT I THINK AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW THE PROGRAM AND GET A LOT MORE BENCH STRENGTH THAT ALLOWS SOME OTHER FACTORS, WHICH I HAVEN'T MENTIONED, AND THAT'S THE IMPORTANCE OF JOB ROTATION, ALLOWING PEOPLE TO SERVE IN VARIOUS CAPACITIES AND NOT GET BURNT OUT BECAUSE IT'S A TOUGH JOB AS WELL.
THE OTHER THING THAT I THINK WE FORGET IS THE COST SAVING OF SENDING OUT ONE SQUAD INSTEAD OF TWO, BECAUSE IF THE INITIAL CALL COMES IN AND IS PERCEIVED TO BE A BLS, AND THEN THEY GET THERE AND IT'S AN ALS, THEN YOU HAVE TO SEND A SECOND UNIT, WHICH IS YOU FIGURE YOUR STAFF AND YOUR COST OF FUEL AND THAT KIND OF THING.
UM, THEN THAT SQUAD IS THEN TIED UP IF THERE'S ANOTHER CALL, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT TWO SQUADS ON THAT AND YOU'RE MISSING OUT ON THAT THIRD CALL.
UM, SO IT'S, THERE'S A LOT OF BENEFITS AND TO MAKE IT EASIER, EVERYBODY'S BEEN TO THE HOSPITAL.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A NURSES
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AID, AN LPN AND ON OUR END.SO IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR EMT IS LIKE A NURSE'S AID AND NO OFFENSE GUYS, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SIMPLE.
YOUR MIDLINE IS YOUR LPN, AND THEN YOUR PARAMEDICS, YOUR RN, AND A NURSE'S AID IS NOT GONNA MAKE THE SAME THING AS AN LPN.
AND AN LPN IS NOT GOING TO MAKE THE SAME THING AS AN RN.
AND THEN YOU GET YOUR, YOUR BSR ENDS AND YOUR MSRS WHO MAKE EVEN MORE.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT, IT MAKES SENSE THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PAY SOMEBODY.
UM, AND AS FAR AS CERTIFICATIONS, I'M ASSUMING I KNOW I HAVE TO RENEW MY LICENSE EVERY TWO YEARS AND THERE'S THE USE AND STUFF THAT WE HAVE TO DO TO GET THAT.
SO I'M ASSUMING THAT IS EQUAL.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR TIMEFRAME IS, AND THAT YOU USE THAT AS YOUR GAUGE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'VE GOT EVERYTHING THEY NEED TO MAINTAIN THAT SALARY FACE TO.
SO I'M PART OF THEIR CERTIFICATION.
AGAIN, IT'S EVERY TWO YEARS, UM, THERE'S AN ADVANCED CARDIAC LIFE SUPPORT, PEDIATRIC ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT BASE, A TRAUMA LIFE SUPPORT.
SO ALL THE FUNDAMENTALS, PLUS THE RIGORS OF ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT QUALIFICATIONS ARE ALL BUILT INTO WHAT WE HOLD AS A PERFORMANCE.
AND THEY'RE ALL PART OF THAT QUALIFYING MECHANISM FOR THE EMPLOYEE TO SUSTAIN AND HENCE THEM RECEIVING THAT, UH, MONETARY STIPEND OR PAY IN THIS CASE.
I GOT ONE SMALL COMMENT AND IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A BIG ONE, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO ME.
UM, THIS IS ONE OF THE ONLY WAYS THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY KEEP OUR BRIGHTEST AND BEST, AND OUR BRIGHTEST AND BEST ARE THE ONES THAT NEED TO BE COMPENSATED FOR CONTINUING THEIR EDUCATION AND CONTINUING TO GET BETTER.
SO I RECOGNIZE THE DIFFERENCES, BUT I ALSO DON'T WANT TO CONTINUE TO BE THE TRAINING GROUND FOR ALL THE OTHER COUNTIES AROUND US.
AND TO GET THERE, WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING TO COMPENSATE OR MAKE THAT DIFFERENCE UP.
SO, UM, I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY ALL I GOT TO SAY BRIGHTEST AND BEST IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.
I WOULD LIKE EVERY AMBULANCE TO HAVE A PERSON ON IT, EVERYONE.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'LL EVER GET TO THAT, BUT WE'VE GOT TO TRY AND WE'RE TRYING NOW, AND I APPRECIATE THAT, MR. MAY, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAID, AND, AND NOT ONLY IN THE IMPORTANCE OF KEEPING OUR BEST RECRUITING OUR BEST AND SUSTAINING KEEPING THEM ON BOARD, WE'VE GOT A REALLY HIGH MORALE RIGHT NOW IN THE MEN AND WOMEN DO GREAT WORK AND YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN A GREAT SUPPORT DR.
DAILY AS WELL IN REGARDS TO THINGS WE NEED AND, AND, AND THE DIFFERENT RESOURCES WE NEED, THIS, THIS WOULD BE A HUGE STEP TO HELP THE EMPLOYEE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, I GOT TWO MORE.
DO OTHER COUNTIES HAVE THIS TYPE OF MODEL? WHAT ARE THEY ACTUALLY, THEY'RE ALMOST EXACTLY THE SAME AS OURS.
UM, THE FINANCIAL COMPENSATION IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, MOSTLY HIRE, UM, ACTUALLY ALL HIGHER.
UM, I CAN GIVE YOU SPECIFICS BROKEN DOWN BY COUNTY.
UM, LATER ON, I W I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT, THAT DATA, OTHER COUNTIES, HE TEXTS IT TO ME ON A VERY REGULAR BASIS.
HE'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO BE SURE THAT YOU GET ALL OF IT.
SO WE TALK IN CLARK AND SHENANDOAH.
WE'RE NOT COMPARING OURSELVES TO PRINCE WILLIAM.
WE HAD OUR SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS KIND OF WHAT, THE TOP SIX.
SO THE TOP NUMBER SIX LAND RIGHT NOW, AND THAT INCLUDES WINCHESTER, FREDERICK SHANANDOAH EAST OF US.
THE ONLY KIND OF WE'RE LOOKING AT EAST OF US WOULD BE FALK HERE.
BUT AGAIN, THERE'S A HUGE DISTINCTION HERE.
THAT ONE, THE COMMITMENT OF, AT EVERY LEVEL, NOT ONLY JUST FOR THE PARAMEDIC AT THE ENTRY LEVEL, BUT ALSO AT THE OFFICER LEVEL AND THE OTHER PIECES THAT WE BUILD IT IN AS A PART OF THEIR, THEIR COMPENSATION PACKAGE.
SO IT'S SUSTAINED AND SOMETHING THEY REALIZED NOT ONLY HERE AND NOW, BUT AS THEY MOVE FORWARD, IT'S SOMETHING THEY'LL LEAVE WITH AS WELL.
SO, AND I THINK THAT WILL DISTINGUISH US IN THE VALLEY.
UH, I THINK THERE'S ONE OTHER JURISDICTION THAT MAY BE DOING THAT.
WHAT IS, UM, UM, JANE ALLUDED TO, WE ARE STILL, UM, AS FAR AS THE MONETARY STANDPOINT, WE'LL STILL BE BEHIND, BUT IT'S A HUGE STEP AND WE'RE APPRECIATIVE OF IT NOW, IF AM I CORRECT THAT WHEN WE DO THE TRAINING, LIKE THE PARAMEDICS, THAT THERE'S A, UH, A COMMITMENT TO STAY HERE FOR X NUMBER OF YEARS.
SO EACH ONE OF THE, AND THAT'S THE FIRST, IT'S THE FIRST TIME IT'S EVER HAPPENED.
SO THE SEVEN STUDENTS THAT ARE IN CLASS RIGHT NOW ALL SIGNED A CONTRACT.
IF YOU WILL, TO SAY THAT THEY STARE FOR THREE YEARS, UH, FOR PERFORMING, OR IF THEY WERE TO LEAVE TO GO TO ANOTHER JURISDICTION, THEY WOULD HAVE TO REIMBURSE THE MONEY THAT WE PUT FORWARD, UM, WHICH IS NOT UNCOMMON AND WHERE I COME FROM.
NEW, VERY HONEST WITH THAT HAPPENS A LOT, UNFORTUNATELY.
I'M FINDING RIGHT NOW THERE'S A LOT OF POSITIVE ENERGY, SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD UPON IT.
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UM, YEAH, I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION.SO DOES THE COUNTY HAVE A SIMILAR MODEL FOR OTHER DEPARTMENTS? THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT HAS A SIMILAR MODEL ON THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS DO NOT.
UM, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WORKING AT WE'RE WORKING ON ACTUALLY BUILDING IN, BECAUSE WE REALIZED THAT THERE ISN'T AN INCENTIVE FOR PEOPLE TO ABSOLUTELY BASICALLY GET TRAINED AND DEVELOP MORE SKILLS AND THERE SHOULD BE.
UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE WORKING AT.
UM, EVERY DEPARTMENT HAS SOMETHING THAT REALLY SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON IN ORDER TO BUILD THAT SKILLSET.
SO IT NEEDS TO BE TRULY FOCUSED ON RATHER THAN A BLANKET.
IF YOU DO THIS, THEN YOU GET THAT.
SO YOU'LL SEE ME UP HERE WITH A DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT HEAD.
CAUSE I, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S A GOOD MODEL, DEFINITELY.
IT REALLY, IT DOES, UM, IF IT ROLLS INTO THE PAY FOR PERFORMANCE.
HOWEVER, I THINK IT SHOULD, I BELIEVE IN THE EQUALITY ACROSS THE WHOLE COUNTY.
AND SO WE SHOULD ADOPT THIS MODEL WITH ALL THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE TO MAINTAIN CERTIFICATIONS TO BE COMPETITIVE.
THERE ARE, SO WE RUN INTO SOME SITUATIONS WITH CONSTITUTIONAL DEPARTMENTS THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS.
UM, BUT THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS, WE ARE ABLE TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE LEEWAY WITH, RIGHT? YEAH.
BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S THIS, AND I KNOW I'M NOT GOING TO COMPARE A PROGRAM MANAGEMENT CERTIFICATION TO THE EMS, HOWEVER, THAT IS IMPORTANT FOR US MAINTAINING INTERNAL CONTROLS.
SO DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, ADVANCE ABSOLUTELY FEEL THE SAME WAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.
[E. Discussion – WCPS / County Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) for Operations and Funding]
OKAY.WARREN COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS, AND THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING FOR OPERATIONS AND FUNDING.
DO YOU WANT ME TO GO AHEAD? I, SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, UM, FOR THE COMMUNITY TO KNOW THAT THIS FINANCIAL LIAISON COMMITTEE WAS PUT TOGETHER IN ORDER TO TRY TO HELP FORECAST AND MANAGE BUDGETS, MOVING FORWARD, PARTICULARLY WITH CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS COMING UP.
LF K IS GOING TO BE IN EXCESS OF 18 MILLION, MAYBE EVEN MORE.
AND SO WE ARE TRYING TO ANTICIPATE WHAT WE CAN DO TO MANAGE THAT.
SO THE COUNTY DOESN'T CONTINUE TO GO DEEPER INTO DEBT.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE $130 MILLION IN DEBT.
UM, MOST OF THAT IS FOR SCHOOL BUILDINGS AND WE PAY $10 MILLION IN LOAN DEBT, UH, LOAN SERVICING EVERY YEAR.
SO WHAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO IS MANAGE THAT WE HAVE NO INTENTION OF, UH, TAKING AWAY SALARY INCREASES AS PROMISED BY THE STATE.
AND, UM, IT IS, UH, HYPOTHETICAL'S ARE NOT HELPFUL.
AND, UM, BECAUSE THEY GET PEOPLE UPSET FOR NO REASON.
AND WE HAD NO INTENTIONS OF MOVING THAT.
AND THIS WAS JUST AN INNER COMMITTEE, A DOCUMENT THAT WAS SHARED WITH US SO THAT WE COULD SEE WHAT THE IMPACTS WOULD BE BASED ON WHAT DECISIONS WE MIGHT MAKE.
AND THIS COMMITTEE WILL MEET AGAIN ON THURSDAY AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK TOGETHER TO TRY TO DO WHAT'S BEST FOR THE COUNTY TO PLAN FOR THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AND TO, UM, MANAGE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLY, MANAGE THE MONEY OF THE TAXPAYERS.
AND I I'D LIKE TO ECHO THAT I'M SEEING A LOT OF THE COMMENTS AND THE CONCERN, UM, AND DULY.
SO I GUESS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS AND IT IS ON HERE, UM, THE POSSIBLE CUTS, BUT TEACHER SALARIES WERE NEVER A CONSIDERATION FOR US.
WE VALUE THE TEACHERS IN THIS COMMUNITY, JUST AS MUCH AS WE VALUE THE FIRE AND EMS PEOPLE THAT WERE HERE, WE HAVE MORE CONTROL OVER THEIR BUDGET, UM, THAN WE DO THE SCHOOLS, IT'S BASICALLY HAND THE MONEY OVER AND THEY DO WHAT THEY WANT.
AND IF THEY WANT TO GIVE YOU X NUMBER OF DOLLARS FOR YOUR PARTICULAR
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LEVEL OF EXPERTISE, WE HAVE NO SAY IN THAT.THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TRIED TO, UM, LOOK AT THINGS TO CATEGORIZE THEM SO THAT IF WE GIVE MONEY TO SUPPOSE TO GO FOR A PARTICULAR PAYSCALE, IT HAS TO STAY THERE AND BE USED FOR THAT PAYSCALE AND NOT BE PULLED TO PUT SOMEWHERE ELSE.
WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT YOUR SALARIES, NOT TAKE AWAY FROM IT.
THERE'S NEVER BEEN ANY MENTION ON THIS BOARD OF DEFUNDING SCHOOLS OR TAKEN AWAY FROM YOU.
SO, NOPE, NO, SORRY, BUT I WANT YOU TO GO FORWARD KNOWING WE DON'T LET IT, YOU KNOW, THE ONLY THE PRESENTERS WORKS WORK SESSIONS ARE LIKE THIS AND THAT.
NO, I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT BEING SINGLED OUT, NOT TO TALK.
WE IT'S JUST BEEN ACROSS THE BOARD, BUT WE DO VALUE YOU.
WE DO RESPECT YOU AND WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE BEST WE CAN.
AND PLEASE CONTACT US DIRECTLY.
DON'T GO BY WHAT YOU SEE ON FACEBOOK.
IT'S A HOLE YOU FALL INTO AND CAN'T GET OUT OF, AND I DON'T MAKE COMMENTS ON IT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO GET IN THAT HOLE, BUT I AM MORE THAN HAPPY TO TALK TO ANYBODY WHO REACHES OUT TO ME.
ANYONE ELSE? YEAH, LET ME ASK, UM, OUR FINANCIAL COMMITTEE IS THAT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
THERE'S NOTHING PREVENTING IT THAT I KNOW OF.
MA'AM THERE ARE TWO, UM, THERE ARE ONLY TWO SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS AND ONLY TWO SUPERVISORS ON THE COMMITTEE.
SO IT'S NOT A PUBLIC MEETING, FORMAL, ET CETERA.
BUT AS FAR AS OPEN, UH, THE COMMITTEE CAN BRING ANYBODY TO THE MEETING THAT THEY WANT.
AND IF WE DID INVITE SOMEONE IN THE PUBLIC, THEY WOULD JUST BE THERE TO OBSERVE.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT WOULD BE MY ANTICIPATION.
UM, THE, AND YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO TALK TO THE REST OF THE COMMITTEE BEFORE YOU DECIDED ON THAT, BUT I THINK IF YOU WANTED TO MOVE THE MEETING TO A PLACE WHERE YOU COULD HAVE PEOPLE WATCH IT, I THINK YOU COULD.
IS THERE, WHO'S GOT THE PAPERS THAT'S COMING YOUR WAY, LIKE SCHOOL FROM LIKE SCHOOL WITH SOMEONE LIKE TO READ US INTO CLOSED SESSION.
AT THIS POINT, I MOVED THE BOARD ENTER INTO A CLOSED MEETING UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF SECTION TWO DOT TWO DASH 3 7 1 1 A ONE OF THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT FOR THE DISCUSSION OR CONSIDERATION OF THE ASSIGNMENT, APPOINTMENT, PROMOTION, PERFORMANCE, DEMOTION, SALARIES, OR RESIGNATION OF A SPECIFIC PUBLIC OFFICER OF THE PUBLIC BODY, SPECIFICALLY IN REGARD TO THE SHINDO FARM SANITARY DISTRICT ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
AND IS THERE A SECOND CIRCUIT ROLL CALL MRS. ROCKY, MR. BUTLER, MRS. OATES.
YOU'RE WELCOME TO STAY UNTIL WE GET BACK.
I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THAT'LL BE, BUT IF YOU DON'T, I HOPE YOU HAD A GOOD FIRST DAY OF SCHOOL AND THE TOMORROW IS EVEN BETTER AND THAT IT'S NOT RAINING WHEN YOU GO OUT.
WELL HERE WOULD MRS. OATES, ARE YOU GOING TO READ US OUT OF CLOSED SESSION, PLEASE? I MOVE THAT THE BOARD CERTIFIES TO THE BEST OF EACH MEMBER'S KNOWLEDGE ONLY PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS LAWFULLY EXEMPTED FROM OPEN MEETING REQUIREMENTS UNDER SECTION TWO DOT TWO DASH 3 7 1 1 A ONE OF THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT AND ONLY SUCH PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS AS WE'RE IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION BY WHICH THE CLOSED MEETING WAS CONVENED WERE HEARD, DISCUSSED, OR CONSIDERED IN THE MEETING BY THE PUBLIC BODY ROLL CALL, MRS. SHIRAKI MRS. ROMAIN, MRS. COOK, MADAM CHAIR.
WELL THAT IS THE END OF OUR AGENDA.
IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SO MOVED SECOND.