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WELL, I FEEL LIKE WE DON'T REALLY NEED A MICROPHONE WITH THIS HUGE CROWD WE HAVE, BUT, UH, WELCOME TO THE AUGUST 16TH, 2022 WORK SESSION OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
AND FIRST ON THE, WELL, I GUESS I NEED TO ASK IS, UM, TO ACCEPT THE WORK SESSION AGENDA, ANY ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS TO THAT? NO, NOT IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE WORK SESSION? OKAY.
[Work Session A. Discussion – Conditional Use Permit Request of Cole and Danielle Haase for a Commercial Outdoor Recreation Operation – Matt Wendling/Vicky Cook]
ALL RIGHT.CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, REQUEST OF COLON.
DANIELLE, IS IT HA'S FOR COMMERCIAL OUTDOOR RECREATION OPERATION.
WELL HAVE, UH, LET ME ASK, HAVE YOU RECEIVED, OR DO YOU HAVE COPIES OF THE V THAT LETTER I SENT OUT TODAY CAME TODAY? YEAH, I HAVE COPIES HERE.
I CAN HAVE A COPY ON REDDIT AND I DIDN'T GET IT IN SEPARATE.
I WAS GOING TO SAY, SINCE YOU HAVE THE MONEY, I WOULD THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND A HOSS IS, DID JUST RECEIVE IT ALSO.
SO I DON'T THINK THEY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY THAT THEY'RE TAKING A LOOK AT IT ALSO.
SO, UM, UM, IT SAYS THAT THERE'S TWO ENTRANCES THAT ARE ACCEPTABLE.
ONE, TWO THAT SOMEBODY PROMPTLY FIXED UP AFTER WHEN NOBODY REALIZED IT ADDED TWO INSURANCES THAT AREN'T ACCEPTED.
UH, MS. MS. COOK AND I HAD THIS DISCUSSION ON THE PHONE EARLIER.
I THINK BOBBY LOOKED AT THE, THE, THE AREA THAT'S PART OF THE CEMETERY, THE CEMETERY AS WELL, THERE'S THE CEMETERY, THEN A WOODED AREA AND A CLEAR LOT BEHIND THE WOODED AREA.
AND I THINK THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT THAT THEY WOULD ALLOW THE CHURCH FOLKS, THE PARK THERE AND THAT KIND OF THING.
UH, THE HOUSES DO NOT HAVE AN INTENT ON USING THAT AREA.
I THINK BOBBY PRIDE LOOKS AT THAT AND ASSUME THAT IT WAS A PART OF IT.
SO, UM, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT JUST, UH, WHAT HE'S IDENTIFYING AS, UH, WANTING TO YEAH.
UH, WELL, THE SOUTHERN ENTRANCE IS IT'D BE THE SOUTHERN ENTRANCE.
YOU SEE THAT? DO YOU SEE THAT? OKAY.
WELL, MATT, IF YOU DON'T MIND, UM, I JUST WANTED TO INVITE THE HOSTAS HERE TO PRESENT THEIR BUSINESS MODEL TO THE BOARD, UM, BECAUSE IT'S OVER IN FORT DISTRICT AND FROM WHAT THEY ORIGINALLY PROPOSED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THEY HAVE THESE SCOPES, SOME OF THE, UM, OF THE, THEIR VISION.
SO I WANTED THEM TO COME IN, UM, PRESENT, YOU KNOW, OR ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS WE MAY HAVE ON WHAT THEIR, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY SEE AND HEAR THEIR STORY OF WHAT THIS REC CENTER IS REALLY GOING TO DO FOR THE COMMUNITY.
SO POOR PART OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS BASICALLY TAKING OUT THE BALL FIELDS.
UH, THAT WAS A MAJOR CONCERN THAT WE HAD BOTH STAFF AND CITIZENS OF THE COMMUNITY, UM, JUST FOR WHAT THAT MIGHT CONTRIBUTE AS FAR AS THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE COME IN FOR TOURNAMENT'S AND THAT KIND OF THING.
IT COULD KIND OF OPEN THAT UP TO A, A LAR MUCH LARGER SCALE THAN WHAT, YOU KNOW, THAT INITIAL VISION, THAT, THAT SMALL VISION THAT THEY HAD WHEN THEY INITIALLY CAME TO US, UM, THAT INCLUDED AN INDOOR PRACTICE FIELD ON A PORTION OF THAT VACANT LOT.
UM, THE HOSTAGE DO PLAN AT SOME FUTURE TIME TO BUILD UP THEIR OWN PERSONAL SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING ON THAT PARCEL THE BACK PART OF THAT PARCEL.
SO THEY DO INTEND TO MAKE IT HOME.
UM, YOU KNOW, PRETTY MUCH RIGHT NOW THAT VACANT LOT IS JUST GOING TO BE LIMITED TO A BATTING CAGE.
UH, I THINK THAT'S WHERE IT'LL GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY, UH, THEIR, THEIR, UH, CLIENTS AND, AND THE KIDS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRACTICE OUT THERE.
I'M SURE THEY'LL DESIGNATE AN AREA WHERE THEY CAN WARM UP AND BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, JUST MAYBE AS THEY CALL IT IN BASEBALL, THROW PEPPER, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF GET THEIR ARMS WARMED UP, THAT KIND OF THING, BUT NOTHING, NO MAJOR TEAM TEAMS GETTING TOGETHER OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
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THEIR FOCUS IS GOING TO BE ON THE INDOOR, UH, FACILITY BECAUSE IT HAS, WELL, IT IS, YOU KNOW, THE WEATHER CLIMATE PROTECTS THE KIDS FROM WEATHER CLIMATE, OR GIVEN THEM, UH, AN ALL SEASON PLACE TO THEIR PRACTICE.UH, THEY DO HOPE THAT, UH, IF THEY CAN ACCOMMODATE POSSIBLY SOME OF THE SOCCER TEAMS FOR INDOOR JUST INDOOR PRACTICE, UM, SO IT WOULD BE SOCCER AND PRETTY MUCH SOFTBALL AND BASEBALL WOULD BE WHAT THEY WOULD BE LIMITED TO.
UM, WE'VE DISCUSSED THE AMOUNT OF VEHICLE VEHICULAR TRAFFIC THAT THEY HAVE A 20 LOT PARKING LOT WITH TWO HANDICAPPED SPACES.
THEY WOULD NOT EXCEED THAT AT ANY ONE TIME.
UH, SO IF THEY ADD A, UH, SIX HOUR WINDOW WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, TWO HOURS A PIECE FOR TIMES, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED DURING THAT TIME.
AND SO THEY'D PROBABLY TRY, IT WOULD TRY AND MANAGE IT WHERE PEOPLE WOULD BE OUT AND THEN COME BACK IN, UH, IT WOULD BE BY APPOINTMENT OR PRE-REGISTRATION.
SO THAT'S KIND OF A BIG THING.
THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'LL KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT AT ANY ONE TIME.
THEY CAN BASICALLY TELL, MANAGE THEIR SCHEDULE A LOT BETTER.
SO THAT, THAT'S A ANOTHER THING.
UM, CAN I THINK, THINK OF ANYTHING ELSE, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU, YOU'RE DEFINITELY WELCOME TO COME UP AND SAY WHATEVER YOU'D LIKE TO, TO PRESENT US.
I MEAN, IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH MATT DOING IT ALL, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE WELCOME TO GET UP AND SPEAK FOR YOURSELF AS WELL.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S ON THE FIRST ONE.
THIS IS AGAIN, MY WIFE, DANIELLE AND MYSELF COHORTS.
UM, WE LIVE AT TWO 20 CEDAR SPRING DRIVE IN STROUDSBURG, VIRGINIA.
UM, YEAH, WE MET BASICALLY WENT OVER EVERYTHING OR A LOT OF THE STUFF THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, BUT WE HAD, UM, WHEN WE CAME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THERE WAS SOME CONCERNS THAT THEY HAD AS, AS FAR AS LIKE, UM, OUTDOOR USE.
UM, AND WHAT, HOW MANY PEOPLE WE'LL HAVE AT A TIME.
AND AGAIN, WE WANT TO REITERATE THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE BY APPOINTMENT ONLY.
UM, THIS IS GEARED TOWARDS HIGH SCHOOL AND YOUNGER.
HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT HAVE SOME COLLEGE KIDS IN THERE IF THEY COME HOME AND USE THE FACILITIES AS WELL, BUT IT'S NOT AN OUTDOOR OR IT'S NOT AN ADULT, UM, RECREATION FACILITY IT'S GEARED TOWARDS YOUTH SPORTS.
SO, UM, WE WOULD WANT TO PUT IN, UM, ONE, POSSIBLY TWO BATTING CAGES OUTSIDE.
UM, THE, THE MOVEMENT OF BALLS, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY, WOULD BE LIMITED TO THOSE CAGES OTHER THAN LIKE MATT WAS WITH SANFORD WARM-UP AREAS.
UM, SO WE WOULD DO PITCHING AND CATCHING INSIDE THOSE CAGES, UM, CAUSE THEY'D BE LONG ENOUGH TO DO SO.
WE DO ALL OF OUR HITTING IN THERE AS WELL.
SO WE WON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT LOOSE BALLS.
UM, SOME CONCERNS THAT WE WERE ADDRESSING AS WELL IS THAT WE WOULD BE AT LEAST A HUNDRED TO 125 FEET FROM ALL PROPERTY, ALL THEIR PROPERTY LINES.
SO ANYTHING THAT WOULD HAPPEN TO GET OUT FROM UNDERNEATH THE CAGE, ISN'T GOING TO BE, UM, HURTING OUR PROPERTY OR ANYBODY ELSE'S AS WELL.
UM, WE TALKED WITH, UH, JERRY ADDICO ABOUT, UM, EMERGENCY SERVICES AND KIND OF TALK TO HIM ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY WOULD BE LOOKING FOR THERE.
SO WE WOULD HAVE A DEDICATED LANE, UM, FOR FIRE EMERGENCY SERVICES WITH BLOCKED OFF PARKING FOR THAT IN FRONT OF THE ACTUAL BUILDING.
THAT ISN'T NECESSARILY PART OF THE TOUR 20 PARKING SPOTS RIGHT NOW.
ANYWAY, SO WE WOULD HAVE THAT THERE.
UM, AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA WRITE THAT THIS IS A PRE APPOINTMENT ONLY.
UM, AND I SAW ONE, UH, SPELLING MISTAKE I MADE IS WE HAVE THE KGS WILL BE LIMITED TO DAYLIGHT HOURS WITH USE AFTER DARK.
WELL, IT'S ACTUALLY NO USE AFTER DARK BECAUSE WE WON'T BE PUTTING IN ADDITIONAL LIGHTS OUT THERE.
UM, ALL THE LIGHTS WE HAVE NOW ARE CURRENTLY DARK SKY LIGHTS, SO THEY'RE SHIELDED.
UM, AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY PLANS TO ADD ANY ADDITIONAL LIGHTS OUT THERE, UNLESS IT WOULD BE JUST FOR PARKING LOT AND ELIMINATION.
UM, ANOTHER THING WITH NOISE AND STUFF, WE'RE NOT PLAYING ON INSTALLING OUTDOOR SPEAKERS OR LOUD SPEAKERS LIKE THAT EITHER.
SO HOPEFULLY KEEP THE NOISE IN THE OUTSIDE TO THE MINIMUM.
BUT AGAIN, THIS IS A FACILITY THAT WE WOULD BRING IN ONE TEAM AT A TIME.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT 10 TO 12 KIDS MAX, UM, HOPEFULLY CARPOOLING THERE.
SO NOT EVEN ANYWHERE NEAR THE 20 CARS.
UM, AND WE WOULD GIVE HIM ABOUT AN HOUR AND 45 MINUTES, SO THEY COULD BE CLEANED UP OUT BEFORE THE NEXT GROUP'S REALLY ARRIVING.
UM, AND REALLY WE WANT TO FOCUS ON THE INDOOR INSTRUCTION HERE, THE BUILDINGS ABOUT 7,500 SQUARE FEET.
WE WANT TO PUT INTO BATTING CAGES INSIDE, ALONG WITH NETS FOR PEOPLE TO HIT INTO.
AND THEN THAT LEAVES US BASICALLY HALF THE BUILDING TO USE FOR FIELDING, UM, PITCHING, CATCHING PRACTICE.
UH, AS FAR AS THE SOCCER TEAM GOES, WE, UH, THEY WERE TALKING TO US ABOUT FOOTWORK
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CLINICS.IT WOULDN'T REALLY BE SOCCER GAMES.
IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, CLINICS, DRILLS, CONES, THAT TYPE OF THING.
UM, WHAT ARE THE HOURS? OKAY, SO CURRENTLY THE HOURS WOULD BE, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I QUOTE THIS CORRECTLY, BUT IT'S WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR PLAN HERE.
I THINK IT'S, UM, THREE 30 TO NINE MONDAY THROUGH MONDAY THROUGH, UH, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY AND THEN SATURDAY 9:00 AM TO 6:00 PM.
YEAH, THREE 30 TO NINE 30 SATURDAY 9:00 AM TO 6:00 PM.
AND, AND, UH, WHERE YOU'RE NOT ANTICIPATING HAVING ANY LEAGUES GOING ON OUT THERE.
NO, WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANY LEAGUES.
WE WOULD HAVE LEAGUE TEAMS, BUT NO, NO LEAGUE, THERE WOULD BE NO GAMES, NO ORGANIZED GAMES OUT THERE.
UM, STRICTLY JUST FOR INSTRUCTIONAL PURPOSES ONLY.
SO THERE, EVEN WHEN WE DID PROPOSE A, A FIELD OUT, UM, BESIDE US, THAT WAS ALL INTENTION OF JUST HAVING A LITTLE FIELD FOR KIDS TO BE ABLE TO PRACTICE ON AND GET LIKE ACTUAL INSTRUCTION LIVE INSTRUCTION.
UM, BUT WE TOOK THAT OFF OF THE PLAN AND WE'LL FOCUS JUST SOLELY ON INDOOR USE.
UM, AND OF COURSE THE PERMIT IS OUTDOOR RECREATION.
SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE TWO BATTING CAGES OUTSIDE.
SO WE FULFILL THAT OUTDOOR USE.
SO YOUR INTENT WAS NEVER TO HAVE LEAGUE GAMES THERE, JUST BEING ABLE TO HAVE AN OUTDOOR SPACE.
I THINK OUR HOPES AND DREAMS, AND YOU KNOW, THAT INTERVIEW FROM NORTHERN VIRGINIA DAILY, YOU KNOW, WE, WE GOT A LITTLE CARRIED AWAY TALKING ABOUT OUR HOPES AND MY DREAMS, AND I GREW UP PLAYING SOFTBALL MY WHOLE LIFE AND MY DAUGHTER DID AND, AND WE ARE INVOLVED HEAVILY IN THE LITTLE LEAGUE AND STUFF.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, WE NEVER INTENDED ON HAVING SCOREBOARDS AND LIGHTS AND TRAVEL TOURNAMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THERE WE JUST, WE JUST ULTIMATELY WANTED A PLACE FOR THE YOUTH TO COME IN, BE ABLE TO PRACTICE BECAUSE IT IS VERY MUCH LACKING IN THE COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY FOR SOFTBALL.
SO WITH ONLY HAVING CHIMNEY FIELDS HERE RIGHT NOW, THE TWO FIELDS THAT THEY HAVE, THEY ARE WAY OVER CAPACITY.
SO TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOMETHING ELSE FOR THEM TO GO TO, UM, THAT'S WHAT OUR PLAN WAS, BUT THAT WAS AGAIN, THEY NAIL PHASE THAT HAPPENED TO BE PHASE THREE AND IT WAS, UH, WOULD REQUIRE FUTURE APPROVAL AS WELL.
WE ALSO REMOVED PHASE TWO, WHICH WAS THE INSTALLATION OF JUSTIN INFIELD.
UM, WE, I, I THINK THE, YOU KNOW, THE CONCERN THAT WE HAD HEARD WAS THAT IF YOU PUT AN INFIELD IN THERE, THEN YOU'RE ASSUMING SOMEBODY'S GOING TO BE STANDING UP THERE HITTING A BALL.
UM, AND WE WEREN'T REALLY THINKING THAT WAY.
WE WERE THINKING MORE OF THE COACH WOULD BE STANDING THERE AND HITTING SITUATIONS AND LETTING THE KIDS TO IT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE REMOVED THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, OUR, AGAIN, OUR, WHEN WE SAW THE PROPERTY, OUR FOCUS WAS THE INDOOR FACILITY, HAVING THAT AND BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT KIND OF INSTRUCTION.
SO YOU HAVEN'T HAD A TIME TO LOOK AT V DOT STUFF, RIGHT? YEAH.
WE DO PLAN ON, THERE'S A HUGE TREE THAT SITS RIGHT THERE AT THAT SECOND ENTRANCE ON LEAVE, AND WE'RE KNOCKING THAT DOWN.
SO THAT WILL OPEN UP YOU TO BE ABLE TO SEE CLEAR TO THE, I GUESS, THE BIG TURN, UM, THIS TREE, UM, AND THE PICTURE THAT MIGHT BE OLDER, WE MIGHT HAVE ALREADY TAKEN THAT TREE DOWN.
I JUST SAW WHEN YOU SAID THAT VICTORY, THERE'S A, THERE'S ONE RIGHT ON THE ROAD ON FORT VALLEY.
I THINK THAT IS NO THAT'S RIGHT IN FRONT, THE PARKING LOT.
THERE'S NOT A TREE THERE ANYMORE THAT WAS DONE BEFORE WE, HE EVEN CAME IN, IN THE MIDDLE OF AN OPEN LOT.
IS THAT IF YOU HAVE THE LOCK ISSUE THAT WE HAD, I CAN SHOW YOU THE APPROXIMATE.
SO THE PICTURE WE HAVE IS DATED 2014.
SO BASICALLY WHERE THIS 6 78 SINUS, UM, RIGHT AT THE LEFT SIDE OF THAT SIGN.
THERE'S A, UM, THERE'S A TREE THERE AND IT KIND OF OBSTRUCTIONS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN.
I MEAN, I THINK IT'S SAFE TO GET, THERE'S NO REASON TO NOT BRING IT DOWN IF WE CAN'T, AS LONG AS ELECTRICAL APPROVAL AND JUST CUT IT.
UM, THAT WOULD ELIMINATE THAT SIDE.
THE OTHER SIDE WHERE LIKE THE, UM, PARKING LOT ENTRANCE IS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THREE AND FOUR.
THOSE ARE THE CEMETERIES PROPERTY FROM OUR UNDERSTANDING THE, UM, FROM THE PASTOR THAT IT WAS THAT OWNED IT.
THEY ASKED THE CEMETERY FOR, TO BE ABLE TO USE THAT PARKING LOT WHEN THEY HAVE OVERFLOW AND HAD THEIR BIGGER EVENTS.
SO CEMETERY LIKE, YEAH, YOU CLEAR IT, YOU CAN USE IT, BUT THAT DIDN'T ROLL OVER TO US.
AND WE HAVEN'T SPOKEN WITH THE CEMETERY ABOUT USING THAT LOT.
UM, I DO GO OUT AND MOW IT DOWN.
SO IT IS EASIER TO SEE THAT WAY.
UM, BUT THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT PART OF IT, BUT IF ANY, I MEAN, IF ANY SIGNS ARE REQUIRED, I HAVEN'T FULLY READ THROUGH IT, BUT IF THERE'S ANY SIGNS REQUIRED, AS FAR AS ENTRANCE, ONLY EXIT ONLY WE HAVE NO PROBLEMS PUTTING ANYTHING UP THAT TO MAKE IT SAFE FOR PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT.
BUT MY CONCERN WAS THAT TREE, BECAUSE EVEN WHEN I LEAVE, IT'S REALLY HARD TO SEE CARS COMING.
SO WE COULD DEFINITELY ELIMINATE THAT PART.
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HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PREVENT OTHER PEOPLE TO BE PARKING ON THE, THIS, UH, THE CHURCH'S PARKING LOT? WELL, SO I GUESS, YOU KNOW, ONE WAY TO DO THAT, UM, IS WHEN WE DO OUR RESERVATIONS, BECAUSE IT'S BY APPOINTMENT ONLY WE CAN HAVE IT, WE'LL HAVE A LIST OF GUIDELINES.YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THE PARKING AREAS.
THESE ARE THE FIRE LINES, THESE ARE THE, THE STUFF FOR OUTSIDE THEM.
PLUS ALSO, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS THE WAY THAT, UH, CONDUCT YOURSELF IN STORES ARE INDOORS WITH, YOU KNOW, HOW YOU TREAT THE FACILITY, HOW YOU CLEAN UP AND HOW YOU USE IT.
UM, IF THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT THE CEMETERY WOULD LIKE US TO PUT UP, WE COULD GO TALK TO THEM AND POSSIBLY PUT UP SOME KIND OF A, A WIRE, YOU KNOW, CABLE THERE OR SOMETHING TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM USING OUR LOTS TO GO INTO THEIRS.
UM, AND THEN, I MEAN, WE CAN'T REALLY PUT ANYTHING ON THERE.
SO IF THEY WANTED TO CLOSE THOSE LOTS OFF AS WELL, I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE USE IT FOR COMMUTING OR STOPPING OR CALLING ON THE PHONE BEFORE THEY GET UP IN THE VALLEY.
WE'VE HAD TO POST SIGNS JUST TO KIND OF MAKE PEOPLE AWARE THAT THERE'S CHANGES COMING TO KEEP, TO KIND OF PREVENT IT.
THE REASON FOR MY QUESTION IS BECAUSE IN THE, IN YOUR, UM, YOUR PERMIT, YOU'RE SAYING UP TO 20, 20 CARS, RIGHT? AND SO IF PEOPLE REALIZE THAT YOU HAVE THIS OTHER VACANT LOT OVER HERE, THEY MIGHT BE COMING EARLIER, RIGHT.
SO THERE MIGHT BE SOME OVERLAPPING OF THAT 20 CAR LIMIT.
SO THAT WAS THE, I HAVE A STAFF MEMBER ON DUTY AT ALL TIMES.
SO IF THAT BECOMES AN ISSUE, THEN WE CAN MAKE THEM, YOU KNOW, PARKING AUTHORITY AS WELL AND GET PEOPLE TO MOVE THEIR VEHICLES IMMEDIATELY OVER INTO OUR LOT.
THAT WAY IT'S NOT, IF THAT'S WHAT THE QUESTION IS.
AND BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THE TRAFFIC, RIGHT, RIGHT.
COMING IN AND OUT, AND, YOU KNOW, CAUSE THAT SEEMS TO BE CONCERNED AS SOME OF THE FOLKS OUT THERE AS THE TRAFFIC.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THE SIX HOUR BLOCK AND ONLY DOING LIKE AN HOUR AND 45 MINUTE TIME SLOTS TO GIVE THAT 15 MINUTE WINDOW OF AN IN AND OUT, I'M THERE TO HELP WITH THAT.
AND I MEAN, IF WE NEED TO ADJUST, WE CAN ADJUST TIMINGS, UM, FOR ARRIVALS THERE AS WELL.
BUT AGAIN, WITH, UM, THE TEAMS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I MEAN, IF YOU TALK TO MOST OF THE COACHES AROUND HERE, YOU GOT 10 PLAYERS ON A TEAM OR 12 PLAYERS ON A TEAM.
YOU'RE LUCKY IF YOU GET EIGHT OR 10 THE PRACTICE.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE DOING 10 AND THEY EACH DRIVE BY THEMSELVES, OR I MEAN, YOU KNOW, ONE FAMILY PER CARLO, THEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT 10 CARS FOR EACH TEAM, REALLY.
SO, BUT WE CAN, I MEAN, WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AT WAYS TO, YOU KNOW, HELP ALLEVIATE THAT.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS FOR 18 AND UNDER, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ADULTS COMING IN, RIGHT.
18 AND UNDER MAINLY, I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, IF THEY HAVE COLLEGE KIDS THAT COME HOME AND WANT TO USE THE FACILITY FOR, TO PRACTICE IN THE FACILITY, WE DIDN'T REALLY WANT TO TELL THEM.
WE ONLY SAY THAT BECAUSE THE CARDINALS HAVE, HAVE APPROACHED US ABOUT WANTING TO USE THE FACILITY AND THEY ARE ADULTS AND THEY HAD WANTED, IF IT RAINED, COULD WE HAVE A SPACE WHERE WE COULD PRACTICE REAL QUICK OR SOMETHING, UM, JUST TO GET SOME INDOOR HEADING.
AND WE HAVEN'T FULLY DISCUSSED THIS YET WITH THEM, BUT IT HAS BEEN APPROACHED.
SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO SHUT THE DOOR ON JUST SAYING 18 AND UNDER, BUT IT WOULD NEVER BE A FACILITY FOR ADULT LEAGUES OR, UH, LIKE ADULTS TO COME IN AND JUST HIT SOME BALLS AROUND.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE A PART OF SOME KIND OF ORGANIZATION.
AND WITH THAT, IT'S NOT GOING TO VIOLATE ANYTHING IN THE C UH, IN THE CUP.
I DON'T SEE THAT BEING AN ISSUE.
I THINK, UH, PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, THE PARKING THING IS, IS A REASONABLE CONCERN.
WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THE PARKING IS ADEQUATELY STRAIGHT.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL HAVE A COUPLE OF EXTRA LOTS, UH, PARKING SPACES FOR OUR HANDICAPS.
I MEAN, IF THAT HAS TO BE OVERFLOW FOR A SHORT PERIOD THAT COULD BE UTILIZED, UM, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S KINDA GOING TO BE UNDER YOUR MANAGEMENT AND HOW MUCH, HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU, UH, YOU COME IN, YOU REGISTER.
AND I THINK YOU DID MENTION THAT SOME OF THE PEOPLE MIGHT BE CARPOOLING IF THEY'RE BRINGING, THEY'RE BRINGING KIDS FROM THE TEAM.
SO YOU MIGHT HAVE FOUR KIDS AND A COUPLE ADULTS, YOU KNOW, UH, SO THAT MIGHT, YOU KNOW, BRING EIGHT CARS OR SO YOU'VE GOT A FULL TEAM THERE WITH ENOUGH KIDS AND AN ADULTS.
SO, UM, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING WHERE THAT WOULD VIOLATE THAT AT ALL.
UH, WHERE THE, WHERE THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE AT LEAST A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARIFIED SITE PLANNING.
THIS WAS THIS, WE JUST REQUESTED THIS, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF THE APPLICATION, SO WE CAN TALK TO THEM, THEY HAVE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEARLY DEFINED SITE PLAN.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE AGENCY COMMENTS THAT THEY'LL HAVE TO ADDRESS.
I MEAN, MR. BEAM HAD SOME OUTSTANDING PERMITS, WHICH HE'S WORKING ON AND HE'S GOING TO GET THOSE TO THEM AND HAVE THOSE, UH, TAKEN CARE OF PRIOR TO,
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YOU KNOW, ANY ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF ZONING, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THE ZONING AND THAT IS MET OR MET.UM, WE DID RECEIVE SOME COMMENTS FROM THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT ACTUALLY MENTIONED THAT THEIR SEPTIC SYSTEM IS, UH, OVERSEEN BY THE CUE, WHICH IS A FIRST THAT I'VE COME ACROSS, UH, FOR THIS AS FAR AS COMMENTS.
AND THEN HE ALSO MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT THE OTW, UH, OFFICE DEPARTMENT OF WATER AND COLEPEPPER.
UH, I THINK HE ACTUALLY FOUND INFORMATION THAT THEY ARE, THEY ARE NOT THE REGULATORS OF IT.
I THINK THE HEALTH, OUR HEALTH DEPARTMENT ACTUALLY DOES.
SO WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S CLARIFIED.
WE'LL ALSO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S OKAY BY THEM.
IF THEY NEED TO HAVE A PORTA JOHN FOR THE OUTDOOR AREA.
I MEAN, IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO DO IT ON A SEASONAL BASIS WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE KIDS OUTSIDE AND YEAH.
NOT HAVING TO RUN ALL THE WAY INSIDE.
AND, UM, YEAH, SO WE WOULD ADDRESS THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT, UH, ALL THEIR REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT.
UM, AND THEN VIEW THAT AS, AS WE MENTIONED WITH V THAT WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THE ENTRANCE IS, ARE ADEQUATELY MORE SIGNAGE, PAVEMENT, SIGNAGE, THAT KIND OF THING.
UH, AGAIN, BEFORE ANY, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THEY'RE EVEN ALLOWED TO, BEFORE WE ISSUE THE CERTIFICATE OF ZONING FOR THE, THE USE ITSELF, THAT WOULD TAKE AGAIN, IF I COULD ADD TO THAT REALLY QUICK.
UM, YEAH, WHEN WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, WE ACTUALLY CHANGED THE OWNERSHIP AND THEN WAS SENT THAT TO DEQ.
UM, AND WE KEEP A MAINTENANCE LOG OF HOW TO, OF HOW WE UPDATE THAT, UM, ALTERNATIVE SYSTEM.
AND WE'RE CONTRACTED WITH A GROUP OUT OF SOUTH OF WOODSTOCK.
I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NEXT TOWN EDINBURG EDINBURG IN BODEN SERVICES THAT COMES UP AND CHECKS IT EVERY SIX MONTHS TO CHECK THE, UM, MAKE SURE EVERYTHING THE MAINTENANCE LOGS ARE RIGHT.
AND THEN THAT GETS SUBMITTED TO DEQ AS WELL.
IS THAT, IS THAT BECAUSE IT'S A, IT'S A BUSINESS ALTERNATIVE SYSTEM.
WELL, IT'S AN ALTERNATIVE SYSTEM AND WE ALL DO OUT THERE.
IT'S THIS TYPE OF SYSTEM AND MR. HENRY KIND OF EXPLAINED IT, I GUESS, TO US, HE WAS HE'S HE KNOWS ABOUT THESE THINGS.
UM, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, IT WAS, IT'S IT'S FOR A COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENT, BUT IT WAS THIS PARTICULAR TYPE OF SYSTEM.
AND EVIDENTLY THERE'S MORE THAN ONE TYPE OF ALTERNATE SYSTEM, ACCORDING TO HIM.
AND THERE WERE, SOME OF THEM ARE ONCE A YEAR INSPECTION.
THIS ONE HAPPENS TO ME THAT TWICE A YEAR INSPECTION GOT IT.
BUT DEQ OVERSEES IT BECAUSE THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT OVERSEES OUT, UH, DEQ FOR SOME REASON, BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF IT, THE IQ OVERSEES IT.
SO, YEAH, I THINK IT'S BECAUSE IT DISCHARGES AND THE SIMILAR TO A BIG SEWAGE WHERE THEY DISCHARGED, HE COMES IN AS SEWAGE, IT GOES OUT, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE AT A DRINK.
I'M NOT, NOT IN THAT LINE THERE AGAIN, I'VE NEVER BEEN THAT THIRSTY.
THAT IS THE WAY IT'S, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S WORKING CORRECTLY AND WE WOULD PROBABLY, AS FAR AS LIKE THE WATER, THE DRINKING WATER, I MEAN, IT MIGHT BE THAT WHAT WE'LL DO IS, UM, WELL, AND WE HAVE A CONDITION FOR IT THAT THEY HAVE THE WATER TESTED ANNUALLY OKAY.
FOR ECO-LINE ALCOHOL FORM AND THEY CAN JUST PROVIDE THAT DOCUMENTATION TO US IN THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND BETWEEN THAT AND THE INSPECTION OF THE SEPTIC SYSTEM THAT SHOULD HAVE THAT COVERED.
UH, I KNOW THEY DID MENTION THE PORTA JOHNS AND, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT BE A CONVENIENCE FACTOR THAT'S WORTH DOING, YOU KNOW, IN THE SUMMER MONTHS WHEN, WHEN THEY'RE PRACTICING OUTSIDE, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, WE'LL, WE'LL GET A TAKE FROM THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT ON WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT THAT.
BUT I MEAN, AGAIN, IT'S, THOSE ARE KIND OF MANAGED BY THE POOR TO GIANT COMPANIES.
SO THEY'RE COMING TO PUMP THEM OUT WHEN IT'S NECESSARY AND IT'S A CONTRACT RENEWAL BASIS.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS AND I'M NOT, NOT TRYING TO MAKE ANY ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT YOU NEED TO DO, BUT WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS HERE, BUT WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT SAFETY AT ALL.
UM, AREN'T YOU GOING TO HAVE A RESTAURANT OR NOT NECESSARILY A RESTAURANT, BUT A FOOD SERVICE AREA THERE'S CURRENTLY IN THE BUILDING THERE'S AREA FOR FOOD SERVICE.
SO WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, CONTACT THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND HAVE THEM COME INSPECT TO GET THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT LICENSE IF WE USE THAT AREA FOR PREPARING FOODS.
UM, IT HASN'T, YEAH, WE NOT PART OF THIS, BUT I, I MEAN, I THINK IT IS IN OUR APPLICATION THAT WE, THAT IT DOES HAVE THERE, THAT THERE IS A FOOD SERVICE AREA THAT WE WOULD SERVE CONCESSION STYLE OR SNACKS ABOUT.
UM, THE KIND OF ON THAT POINT, THE PERMITS, WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE WHAT THE PERMITS, UM, THAT AREN'T APPROVED OR IT'S OUTSTANDING.
WE DON'T KNOW IF THOSE ARE THE OUTDOOR CONCESSIONS TYPE STANDS THAT THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW.
UM, CAUSE THEY'RE FROM 98, 99,
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2004 AND 2009.SO OBVIOUSLY IF THOSE CONCERN, ANY OF THAT, WE WOULD HAVE TO GET THOSE WHATEVER TAKEN CARE OF.
I'M NOT AS MUCH CONCERNED ABOUT YOUR PERMITS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO LET YOU OPERATE WITHOUT THEM.
BUT, UM, WHAT ABOUT THE CHOKING HAZARD FROM THE FOOD? UH, ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE SOMEBODY THAT'S CPR CERTIFIED ARE WHEN YOU GOT 40 KIDS OUT THERE IN THE FIELD PRACTICING SOME THERE COULD BE BROKEN LEGS.
THERE COULD BE SOMEBODY GET CRACKED IN THE HEAD WITH A BASEBALL BAT.
IS THERE SOMEBODY THAT'S CERTIFIED TO TAKE CARE OF THAT CHILD? SO I'M DANIELLE AND MYSELF.
WE'RE BOTH ACTUALLY CPR CERTIFIED AND, UM, HAVE CERTIFIED TRAINING AS PART OF THE GOING TO BE THERE ALL THE TIME.
AND, AND I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DEFINITELY HAVE OUR STAFF, YOU KNOW, WE CAN MAKE THEM HAVE THOSE REQUIREMENTS AS WELL.
UM, FROM OUR PAST, WITH THE SOFTBALL AND, AND BEING ON THE WARREN COUNTY GIRLS, LITTLE LEAGUE SOFTBALL BOARD, UM, WE BOTH HAD THAT TRAINING.
UM, WE HAVE BOTH ARE ALSO EXPERIENCED WITH CHOKING HAZARDS AND STUFF IS WE OWN A RESTAURANT IN TOWN AS WELL.
UM, SOMETHING WE, WE COULD ADD TO THIS, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE, AND WE COULD LOOK INTO TRAINING FOR THAT FOR OUR STAFF, BUT YEAH, WE WOULD HAVE SOMEBODY FOR ME, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK THAT THE FACILITY WOULD NEED JUST TO PROTECT YOURSELF.
UH, AND TO PROTECT THE, THE, THE YOUNG PEOPLE.
CAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET WHEN YOU GET PEOPLE RUNNING IN IT, RUNNING AROUND IN A OPEN AREA, ESPECIALLY WITH BASEBALL BATS.
UM, YOU KNOW, THINGS WILL BE NETTED OFF, UM, YOU KNOW, FROM WHERE, IF ANY PLACE THAT PARENTS AND CHILDREN THAT ARE PLAYING WOULD BE NETTED OFF AS WELL TO PROTECT THEM FROM LOOSE BALLS OR ANYTHING ON THE INDOOR SIDE.
UM, AND WE COULD REACH OUT TO JEREMY ADDICO AS WELL ABOUT, UM, POSSIBLE SAFETY PRECAUTIONS OR TRAININGS THAT WE HIT THE, MAYBE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS, UM, THE ABILITY TO GIVE US OR WOULD APPRECIATE LIKE CONSIDER JUST WANTED TO BRING IT FORWARD.
I'LL JUST MENTION THAT WE DID SEND COMMENTS OUT TO, UH, JERRY FOR THIS AND WE, I DON'T SEE WHERE WE'VE RECEIVED THEM BACK, BUT, UM, WE HAVE INCLUDED IN THE CONDITIONS THAT, UH, CONDITION ONE THAT THEY, AFRICANS SHALL COMPLY WITH WARREN COUNTY EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES.
SO ANYTHING THAT HE RECOMMENDS, UM, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THEY'VE COMPLIED WITH THAT AS PART OF OUR ZONING REVIEW.
I MEAN, IT MAY BE JUST, YOU KNOW, THEY'D HAVE A FIRST AID STATION AND THEN MAYBE HAVE A, UH, A PLACE IDENTIFIED ADJACENT TO THE BUILDING THAT EMERGENCY VEHICLE GET TO WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH OTHER PLACES AND, YOU KNOW, AND THAT CAN BE IDENTIFIED OVER THE PROPERTY.
SO THESE ARE ALL VALID CONCERNS AND CERTAINLY WE'LL WORK WITH, UH, FAR MARSHALL JERRY ON THIS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WELL, THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT.
I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU COMING OUT AND LETTING EVERYONE KNOW THE BOARD MEETING ON THE 27TH OF SEPTEMBER.
STILL THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THE BOARD IS ON THE 27TH OF SEPTEMBER.
NOW NEXT WEEK IS THE TEXT AMENDMENT FOR THIS.
SO THE TEXT AMENDMENT, YOU MAY NOT BE HERE FOR IF THAT'S OKAY, THAT'S FINE.
AND THEN, BUT THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE SITE, IT WILL BE THE 27TH.
SHOULD WE BE HERE FOR THE TEXT AMENDMENT WOULDN'T HURT.
WOULDN'T HURT, YOU KNOW, UH, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HAD CONCERNS FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
UH, THE CONCERNS WERE BASED, I THINK A LOT ON THE SCOPE AND SCALE OF THEIR INITIAL APPLICATION AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GOING ON IN MY BACKYARD AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S A CHANGE, YOU KNOW, TO BE MORE USED TO SEEING AGRICULTURAL USES.
UH, I'M SURE IF IT WAS A, A RIDING STABLE OR HORSE RIDING STABLE, IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN AN ISSUE AT ALL, YOU KNOW? UM, BUT THIS IS KIND OF SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE THINKING OUT OF THE BOX AND, AND, UH, UM, I THINK IF WE, YOU KNOW, FOLLOW THE REGULATIONS, FOLLOW THE, UH, CONDITIONS, YOU KNOW, IT WILL BLEND IN, IT WON'T BE AN ISSUE FOR THEM.
UM, BUT THEY MAY, MAY COME OUT FOR THE TEXT AMENDMENT ALSO.
SO, UM, YEAH, AND JUST FOR PUBLIC INFORMATION, IF ANYBODY DOES WANT TO COME IN AND SEE THAT FILE, WE'RE HAPPY TO SEND THAT, TO SHOW THEM THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY SENT OUT, UH, STAFF REPORTS AND INFORMATION TO PEOPLE IF THEY REQUEST.
NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS THE CLOSED SESSION AND IF SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO READ US INTO CLOSED SESSION.
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TWO, SIX O'CLOCK MAIL.SO WE'VE W BEGGING THE BOARD'S PERMISSION.
WE HAVE A BRIEF, UH, ITEM REALIZING HOW QUICKLY THIS WAS GOING TO GO.
WE HAVE A BRIEF WORK SESSION ITEM YOU COULD DISCUSS.
AND THAT WOULD BE THE, THE ROADS.
WE HAVE A TWO DAY A RALLY IN SHENANDOAH FARMS TO BUY THE POS SALE FOR THE PAST 10, 12 YEARS.
APPROXIMATELY THEY HAVE BEEN ON THE COUNTY'S INSURANCE AND THE COUNTY HAS PAID THE PREMIUM ON THE, UM, OUT OF SANITARY DISTRICT FUNDS.
AND THEN WE BORROWED APPROXIMATELY $150,000, UH, FOR THAT PROJECT.
SO THE RATE FLUCTUATES UP AND DOWN ALL THE TIME.
SO VML, VACO FINANCE WOULD LIKE TO GET IT OFF OF THEIR PAPER.
THEY WANT TO GET OUT OF THE PAPER BUSINESS.
THIS IS NOT A GOOD MARKET FOR COMMERCIAL PAPER.
SO THEY WOULD LIKE TO OFFER US THE OPPORTUNITY TO LONG-TERM FINANCE THIS WITH THEM OVER FIVE YEARS AT 3%, 3%.
AND OR WE CAN PAY IT OFF WITH SANITARY DISTRICT FUNDS AND THEN WE'RE, WE'RE DONE WITH IT.
SO I TOLD, UH, WE TOLD VML VACO THAT WE WOULD LET THEM KNOW WHAT DIRECTION THE BOARD WANTED TO GO.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO DECIDE, BUT WE NEED DIRECTION.
SHOULD WE LOOK AT JUST PAYING IT OFF AT TAKING THIS NOTE FOR FIVE YEARS? UH, THERE WAS A THIRD ONE I HAD ON THERE.
LEAVE FOR THE WAY, LEAVE IT AS IS, AND JUST LET IT FLOAT.
THEY DON'T LIKE THAT BECAUSE THEY'D LIKE TO GET RID OF IT.
AND THEY, THEY WON'T, UH, THEY WON'T PROHIBIT THAT, BUT THEY DON'T LIKE IT.
AND THEY'VE BEEN VERY GOOD TO US HELPING US WITH OUR ORGANIZE OUR FINANCE SYSTEM, AND WE WANT TO PARTICIPATE WITH THEM.
SO I AM TOTALLY CONFUSED WHY WE ARE DISCUSSING, PAYING OFF POS OF PROPERTY.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT TO ME? WELL, IT WAS REPAIRS TO THE DAM.
SO WE WERE, WE BORROWED 130, OR HOW MUCH DO I THINK IT WAS 150 ORIGINAL.
SO WE BORROWED THAT MONEY ON BEHALF OF POS, F YEAH.
IT'S BEEN SITTING THERE A LONG TIME.
AND WE BORROWED THE MONEY TO REPAIR THE DAMS. YEAH.
THE MONEY WAS USED TO REPAIR THE DAMS, ET CETERA.
AND, AND THE DAMS ARE TITLED TO THE POS F THEY ARE NOW TITLED THERE AND WE'RE HAVING THE TOTAL RESPONSIBILITY.
WAS IT, UH, WHICH, WHERE DID WE HAVE TO SEND THEM? MA'AM UM, RALPH WENT ON A GAME BY FIVE OF THEM, AND THEN THEY, AND THEY WENT TO KAITLIN.
THERE'S A STATE AGENCY THAT THEY GO TO.
UH, THERE'S A, THERE'S A STATE AGENCY THAT TAKES CARE OF ALL THE INTERIOR DAMS IN THE STATE, THESE SMALL DAMS. AND WE SUBMITTED THE PAPERWORK THERE BECAUSE THEY WERE LISTED AS OUR, AS THE AGENT.
AND WE HAD THAT TAKEN OFF AND MR. RENALDI HAS SIGNED THOSE TRANSFERS AND THEY WILL GO TOTALLY BE AT, WE WILL TOTALLY BE OUT OF, SO, SO BORROWING MONEY ON BEHALF OF AN INDEPENDENT CORPORATION, NOT WITHSTANDING WHAT THIS IS THEIR DEBT, CORRECT?
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CORRECT.SO THIS $135,000 IS THE DEBT OF THE POS F.
AND YOU SEE THAT OPTION FOR THE POS F IS AN INCORPORATED ENTITY.
THAT IS NOT IN A SANITARY DISTRICT IS NOT OWNED BY ANYBODY, BUT INDIVIDUALS THAT FUND WHATEVER THE POS I THINK ORGANIZATION IS.
SO SHOULDN'T THEY BE TALKING TO MEL IT'S, YOU KNOW, HER NAME.
SO IT DOESN'T HAVE RALPH'S NAME ON IT.
IT'S GOT, DOLORES'S HIS NAME? OH, THAT'S LOVELY.
NO, BUT THAT'S THE BORE IS THE ONE THAT IT'S IN THE COUNTY'S NAME.
HOW DID IT END UP IN OUR NAME? I ACCEPT NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANYTHING THAT HAPPENED MORE THAN TWO YEARS AGO.
I ACCEPT EVERYTHING FROM TWO YEARS ON.
HOWEVER, THE DECISION WAS MADE APPROXIMATELY 10 YEARS AGO THAT IT SHOULD BE IN THE COUNTY'S NAME.
THAT'S WHAT THE BOARD AT THAT TIME DECIDED.
SO DOCTOR, THAT'S NOT A GOOD ANSWER, BUT THAT'S ALL WELL, DR.
DALEY, WE, WE CAN'T ACTUALLY TAKE SANITARY DISTRICT FUNDS AND PAY IT OFF BECAUSE IT DOESN'T BELONG TO THE SANITARY DISTRICT.
SO THAT WOULDN'T BE, UH, AN EQUITABLE SOLUTION EITHER.
I THINK THE, I WOULD WANT TO CHECK FOR CERTAIN WITH MR. HAM, BUT I BELIEVE AS THE BOARD OF THE SANITARY DISTRICT, YOU COULD DECIDE YOU WANTED TO DO THAT.
BUT THAT'S A QUESTION FOR MR. HAM WHEN HE GETS HERE TO DO WHAT TO PAY, TO PAY IT OFF.
USING SANITARY DISTRICT FUNDS, BECAUSE IT'S BEEN PAID BY SANITARY DISTRICT FUNDS EVERY YEAR FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS, WAIT, THIS IS JACKED UP AND IT, SORRY, IT DOESN'T MAKE IT.
IT'S BEEN PAID IN LIKE, IS IT A $22,000 A YEAR NOTE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO, TO REGENERATE THIS THING, SAY AGAIN, OKAY.
THE WAY THAT IT'S BEEN DO IS WE PAY INTEREST EVERY MONTH WITH IS ABOUT $15 EVERY MONTH.
AND THEN WE PAY IT PRINCIPAL ANNUALLY, WHICH IS ABOUT $30,000.
SO WE'VE BEEN PAYING ABOUT $33,000 EVERY YEAR SINCE WE OKAY.
AND WE'VE HAD IT FOR 10 YEARS.
SO WE'VE ALREADY GOT $300,000 IN IT, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I COULD TELL THEM THAT, OH GOODNESS.
BUT THE ORIGINAL NOTE MUST HAVE BEEN ABOUT 500,000.
CAUSE WE WERE THINKING WE HAD PAID $300,000 ON $135,000.
UM, IF WE PAID IT OFF WITH SANITARY DISTRICT FUNDS DOING IT THE RIGHT WAY, CAN WE GET A DISCOUNT OFF OF THAT NOTE? I KNOW HE'S WILLING TO GIVE US THIS.
HE'S WILLING TO GIVE US A DISCOUNT ON THE INTEREST RATE TO REFINANCE IT.
WELL, THAT'S THE DISCOUNT DOWN TO 3%.
BUT IF I WANT TO PAY IT OFF, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET A DISCOUNT OFF OF THE DOLLARS THAT WE OWE HIM.
CAUSE HE'S LOSING MONEY EITHER WAY, THE COMMERCIAL MONEY.
SO THAT MEANS IT'S FROM THAT WORLD.
THAT MEANS YOU'RE ABOUT YOU'RE BORROWING IT MONTH TO MONTH.
YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO BORROW IT ANYMORE.
WE BORROWED $500,000, 10 YEARS AGO OR SOMETHING.
AND WE PAY LIKE $15 A MONTH INTEREST ON IT.
AND THEN EVERY YEAR WE PAY APPROXIMATELY $30,000 OF THE PRINCIPAL.
AND THEN THE NEXT YEAR WE START, WE DO THE WHOLE THING AGAIN.
SO WE'VE BEEN PAYING ON THIS NOTE FOR ABOUT A DECADE, BUT THERE'S NO DISCOUNT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT TAKING THE WHOLE THING BACK IN.
THIS IS THE 1 35 IS ALL PRINCIPLE.
DALEY, IF, IF WE'VE BEEN USING SANITARY DISTRICT FUNDS, WHICH IS BASICALLY TAXPAYER FENCE, BECAUSE EVERYBODY WITHIN THE SANITARY DISTRICT, UH, CHIPS IN FOR THAT, NOT THE POS F WHY CAN'T WE JUST USE THE POS F OR RATHER THE SANITARY DISTRICT FUNDS.
AND THEN JUST TELL THEM, TELL THE POS F SORRY, YOU DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER THIS ANYMORE.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE COUNTY WANTS TO TAKE CONTROL OF THE DAMS. NO, I MEAN, GIVE IT TO THE SANITARY DISTRICT, BUT YOU'RE THE SANITARY DISTRICT AND THE FINAL ANALYSIS, IT WOULD BE COMING RIGHT BACK TO J NO, NO, YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE RIGHT.
I THINK THAT THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY EQUITABLE THING, BECAUSE
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IF I WAS A TAXPAYER PAYER AND NOT A MEMBER OF P O S F AND I LIVED OVER THERE AND I FOUND OUT THAT THE FUNDS THAT I'VE BEEN PAYING WENT TO, TO PAY SOMETHING OFF THAT GOES TO A, A, YOU KNOW, A PRIVATE, UH, VENTURE.I WOULD NOT BE A HAPPY CAMPER, BUT, AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT, SIR.
BUT THAT'S, WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS.
NO, THAT'S JUST, THAT'S WHAT WAS THERE, BECAUSE BASED ON THE AGREEMENT THAT A PRIOR BOARD ENTERED INTO WITH P O S F 2011, IS THAT RIGHT? 2011.
SO IT'S BEEN THERE AND THEN THEY DECIDED THIS SPRING THAT THEY WANTED TO TERMINATE THE AGREEMENT.
THAT'S HOW IT ALL CAME TO THE LIGHT.
DO WE HAVE ANY MORE JEWELS LIKE THIS THEY'LL SHOW UP? I REQUESTED AS SUPERVISOR COOK HAS SAID EVERY DAY IS A NEW LEARNING EXPERIENCE.
WELL THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE, THESE PONDS AND DAMS, AND THEY'RE HUGE LIABILITY BECAUSE ANYONE THAT GOES THERE WITH, OR WITHOUT PERMISSION, IF THEY GET INJURED THERE, GOD FORBID DROWN THERE THAT'S ON THE PROPERTY OWNER.
AND IF WE'RE THE PROPERTY OWNER, THAT'S US AND YOU CAN PUT UP A SIX FOOT FENCE, BUT THAT DOESN'T STOP PEOPLE FROM GETTING INTO IT.
SO I DEFINITELY DO NOT WANT TO TAKE OWNERSHIP, BUT THIS, I THINK THAT'S A HUGE LIABILITY ON THIS.
SO THOSE FOUR RECOMMENDATIONS UP HERE.
NUMBER FIVE IS THIS ONE WHICH WOULD BE FOR US TO TAKE OWNERSHIP AND IT'S ALL RIGHT.
AND I HAD, I MEAN, THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY REASONING FOR NOT EVEN WANTING TO CONSIDER THAT.
I DON'T THINK THE COUNTY NEEDS THAT KIND OF LIABILITY PROBLEM.
I MEAN, I, I W WE'RE PAYING FOR SOMEBODY'S PRIVATE PROPERTY OUT OF OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY.
I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN DO THAT EITHER.
WELL, MADAM CHAIR, CAN, CAN WE JUST, I LIKE NUMBER FOUR, TELL P USF, THEY OWE US $135,000.
WE GIVE THEM OWNERSHIP AND TELL THEM YOU OWE US THIS MONEY.
SO WE COULD TELL, TAKE NUMBER FOUR.
AND WE COULD SAY YOU P O S F YOU OWE US THIS MONEY.
B WE PAY OFF OUR NOTE TO VML VACO.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S HOW WE COULD DO THAT.
AND THEN SOMEHOW I SEE BLOOD AND TURNIPS.
UH, YEAH, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT THAT WOULD MAKE IT CLEAR WHOSE LIABILITY, WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY IT IS.
AND THEN AFTER ALL DEBTS ARE PAID, THEN WE TALK ABOUT ANY NEW MONEY.
WHEN DO WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT THIS? AND WE NEED TO CONFER WITH JASON AS WELL, BECAUSE THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SOME LEGAL CONCERNS HERE.
I KNOW I HAVE SOME, BUT WE CAN, WE SHOULD LET THEM KNOW SOON WHETHER WE WANT TO CONTINUE THE NOTE OR WE WANT TO THEM, THEY'RE GOING TO DO AN ISSUE THAT WE WOULD BE INCLUDED IN OUR LITTLE, OUR LITTLE, 135 IS PART OF, I THINK, THREE AND A HALF MILLION.
THEY SAID ABOUT THREE AND A HALF MILLION ISSUE THAT THEY'RE DOING, THAT THEY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? THEY HAVE A PROBLEM.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THREE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS THAT VML, VACO'S GOING TO ISSUE THAT AMOUNT FOR ALL VARIOUS PROJECTS THROUGHOUT THIS COMMENT.
AND OUR LITTLE PIECE OF IT WILL BE 1 35, AND WE NEED TO TELL THEM, DO WE WANT TO BE IN THIS, OR DO WE WANT TO LET IT RIDE AND KEEP PAYING AS WE ARE? WELL, I MEAN, IF WE, IF WE LET IT RIDE AND KEEP PAYING AS WE ARE, WE'RE STILL ON THE HOOK AS FAR AS LIABILITY LIABILITY, PARTICULARLY.
AND THEN WE WOULD BE MATT AND I WOULD BOTH BE EMOTIONALLY CONCERNED IF YOU TOLD US THAT WE NO LONGER ALLOWED TO TAKE IT OUT OF SANITARY DISTRICT FUNDS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE IT'S BUDGETED.
BUT, BUT, BUT WE'RE STILL LIABLE FOR IT THOUGH.
THE COUNTY IS LIABLE FOR THIS DEBT.
I MEAN, I MEAN, IF SOMEBODY DROWNS OVER THERE OR HE GETS HURT, THAT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT.
THAT'S POS F AND WE WOULD, WE WOULD CONTEND THAT IF NECESSARY, BUT WE ARE LIABLE FOR THE DEBT.
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OWE IT.WELL, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE 135,000 IS A DROP IN THE BUCKET.
IF SOMEBODY GOT HURT OVER THERE.
BUT IT'S, IT'S A BAD LOOK ON US.
IF THE, IF THE NOTES IN OUR NAME AND WE DON'T PAY IT AS WELL.
AND WE HAVE LESSON LEARNED, UM, YOU DON'T LEARN FAMILY MONEY AND YOU DON'T LOAN PEOPLE LIKE THIS MONEY EITHER.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO TRANSITION THE INK TO THE, I CALL THEM THE INK, THE INK TO THE, TO THE ADVISORY BOARD WITH THAT.
WAS THERE ANYTHING IN THAT AGREEMENT THAT WOULD COVER THESE TYPE OF SURPRISES OF FINANCIALS? FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE MADE THE AGREEMENT, WE SAID, OKAY, ALL YOUR DEBT BELONGS TO YOU.
YOU KNOW, DID WE EVER KNOW, DISCUSS THAT? NOTHING LIKE THAT.
I'M LIVING IN THAT AGREEMENT THAT TALKS ABOUT THIS.
THIS WAS DONE SEPARATE BY THE BOARD.
UH, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S PART OF ANY FORMAL, ANY FORMAL PART OF AN AGREEMENT WITH POS L.
BECAUSE NO, BECAUSE WHEN YOU MAKE IT, YEAH, WELL, YOU KNOW, NORMALLY WHEN, WELL, WHERE I'M FROM ANYWAY, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU MAKE ANY TYPE OF TRANSITION, YOU GO THROUGH THE MOU OR WHATEVER DOCUMENT YOU WANT TO CALL IT AND YOU SAY, OKAY, ANY OUTSTANDING DEBT WILL BE PAID FOR, YOU KNOW, BY EITHER PARTY.
I MEAN, THOSE TYPES OF AGREEMENTS.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M, I'M, I'M SEARCHING FOR.
IF, WHEN WE MADE THE DECISION LAST MONTH, I GUESS IT WAS WHEN THE ADVISORY BOARD, IF THAT WAS PART OF ANY OF THE, ANY DISCUSSION WHEN IT CAME TO THE TRANSITION TO THE, NO, I DON'T BELIEVE THE ADVISORY BOARD HAS DISCUSSED THIS ISSUE AT ALL.
AND IT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN ANY DIRECTIONS FROM THE COUNTY TO DISCUSS OR ANYTHING.
DO WE KNOW IF THERE'S ANY OTHER OUTSTANDING LOANS LIKE THIS? NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, NO.
THIS IS THE ONLY ONE THAT WE KNOW.
SO BOARD NEEDS TO TAKE THIS UNDER ADVISEMENT AND GET US SOMETHING BACK SOON.
AND WE CAN TALK TO MR. HAM WHEN HE GETS HERE.
WELL, YOU GOT 10 MORE MINUTES.
NO, I'D STILL LIKE TO KNOW WHAT, WHAT GENIUS AGREED TO THIS CAN OF WORMS. I I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW IT'S LEGAL FOR THE COUNTY TO TAKE A LOAN OUT ON BEHALF OF A PRIVATE ENTERPRISE AND THEN USE TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO PAY THE LOAN THAT, THAT DOESN'T EVEN, AND FRANKLY, DR.
DALEY, IF IT'S ILLEGAL, IT'S ILLEGAL NOW, JUST LIKE, AND I, I, IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A LEGAL ACTION TO ME, AND I THINK IT WAS LEGAL.
THAT'S A MR. HAM QUESTION, BUT I THINK IT WAS LEGAL AS LONG AS THERE WAS THE AGREEMENT THAT SAID WE WERE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THESE BUSINESSES FOR THEM.
I THINK THAT MADE IT LEGAL UP TO THAT POINT.
BUT WHEN THEY TERMINATE THE AGREEMENT JULY ONE, THEN IT IS NO MORE SO UP UNTIL JULY ONE, I BELIEVE WE WERE FOLLOWING THE AGREEMENT IN PAYING THESE BILLS WITH THEIR, WITH SANITARY DISTRICT MONEY FOR P O S L.
BUT BECAUSE REMEMBER THEY WERE THE ADVISORY BOARD AT THAT TIME FOR P O S L WELL, BUT EVEN IF THERE ARE THE ADVISORY, WELL, WE CAN TALK TO MR. HAM.
BUT EVEN IF THEY'RE IN THE ADVISORY BOARD THAT DOESN'T GIVE THEM THE AUTHORITY TO PAY, USE TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO PAY FOR PRIVATE PROPERTY, PRIVATE PROPERTY.
I SEE THERE'S SOMETHING REALLY JACKED UP ABOUT THIS.
I THINK WE NEED TO DO SOME MORE INVESTIGATION AND WE CAN, BUT THE PRIOR BOARD COMMITTED TO THAT COMMITTED TO IT.
AND IF YOU ASK ANY OF THEM, UH, THEY FELT THIS WAS IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST OUT THERE.
NOW THAT THAT'S JUST THAT'S WOULD HAVE BEEN THEIR THINKING AT THE TIME WAS THAT THIS IN GENERAL.
AND THEY, THEY HAD LEGAL ADVICE TO RELY ON AT THE TIME THEY DID ALL THIS WELL.
AND SO BEING DEVIL'S ADVOCATE, THAT WHOLE SITUATION DOWN THERE IS A MESS P O S F INC.
VERSUS, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE, YOU KNOW, BEING A SANITARY
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DISTRICT LIKE LAKEFRONT ROYAL AND ALL THE OTHER SANITARY DISTRICTS, IT WAS NOT, IT WAS LIKE, KOWANAS THE LION'S CLUB, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, IT'S A PRIVATE GROUP.AND THAT'S WHAT TOOK 20 YEARS EVIDENTLY TO FINALLY SINK IN TO PEOPLE THAT THEY ARE NOT WHAT THEY SAID.
THEY WERE A PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION, THEY ARE PRIVATE GROUP, BUT I WOULD BE, I WOULD BE BY BEING ASSOCIATED WITH POS.
IT WAS THE ONE THAT I COULD THINK OF OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD REALLY QUICKLY.
SO, UM, AND THERE'S, THERE'S WHERE THE CONSTRUCTING THE CONCERN IS.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T SAY THEY INTENTIONALLY DID SOMETHING ILLEGAL.
NOT WOULD NOT SAY THAT AT ALL.
UM, BUT NOW WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO STRAIGHTEN OUT A MESS THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE USED IN TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO PAY OFF THE 135.
AND WE SHOULDN'T BE USING THE SANITARY DOLLARS TO PAY OFF THE 135,000.
SO HOW DO WE PAY OFF THE 135,000 OTHER THAN SAYING, THIS IS YOUR PRIVATE GROUPS, PRIVATE PROPERTY COME UP WITH $135,000 FOLKS.
I MEAN, OTHERWISE I DON'T, WE CAN PAY OUR BILL AND NOTIFY THEM THAT THEY OWE THE COUNTY 135.
NO, IT'S PUT US IN A VERY BAD SITUATION THERE, BECAUSE AS YOU SAY, IT'S IN THE COUNTY'S NAME, IT'S THE COUNTY'S, COUNTY'S GOT THE DEBT.
AND IF THEY WERE TO DO THE RIGHT THING, THEY WOULD SAY, BUT I'M SURE THEY PROBABLY DON'T HAVE 135,000 SITTING IN THEIR PRIVATE CLUBS.
SO WHEN, WHEN THIS FINANCIAL INSTITUTION CAME TO US, DID THEY GIVE US A, UM, UM, A TERM OF WHEN THIS IS BEFORE THIS DEAL EXPIRES? OR IS THIS OPEN-ENDED, THIS IS OPEN-ENDED FOR A WHILE.
IT'S, THERE'S NO SPECIFIC DATE THAT IT'S GOING, THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO MARKET THIS FALL AND THEY NEED TO KNOW, THEY SAID LIKE THE END OF THIS MONTH WOULD WORK FOR THEM.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM AND THE EXPIRATION, THE EXPIRATION DATE THEY HAVE LISTED, I THINK IS SEPTEMBER 1ST, 20, 22, WHICH PAGE IS THAT SECOND PAGE TOWARDS THE BOTTOM.
SO I DO THINK WORKING WITH THEM, THEY WOULD BE FLEXIBLE WITH US, BUT THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S THEIR TARGET.
SO WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT THIS TO FIGURE OUT HOW, WHERE WE WANT TO GO THIS MALL.
YOU CAN'T SELL A DAMN UNDER FORECLOSURE.
DALEY, I'M, I'M KINDA CURIOUS, SAY LIKE, IF YOU, IF THIS HAD JUST BEEN ALLOWED TO RIDE AND THIS GOT PAID OFF, THEN WHAT POS F DO, WOULD IT JUST GO TO P OSF OR WOULD, WHAT, WHAT, YOU KNOW, W WOULD THE, WOULD THE DAMS, WELL, THE DAM, THE DAM IS ALREADY IN POS S NAME.
SO THEN IF THEY'RE THEIR PROPERTY, SO THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY CHANGE THERE.
IT'S JUST, THE COUNTY WOULD GET A NOTE.
CONGRATULATIONS, YOUR MORTGAGE, OR YOUR DEBT HAS BEEN PAID RIGHT ON THEIR PROPERTY, IN THEIR BANQUET SITE.
WELL, I MEAN THAT BANK, THE BANK, THAT, THE BANK THAT IS WITH VML VACO.
CAN I GET THE MONEY IN EACH? GIVE US EACH A PEN.
CAN I GET THE SAME DEAL FOR MY HOUSE? LET ME KNOW HOW THAT WORKS OR, WELL, I JUST GOTTA SAY IT.
WE GET CRITICIZED ALL THE TIME BECAUSE WE SCRUTINIZE AND ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
THIS IS THE FRUITS OF NOT ASKING ENOUGH QUESTIONS.
SO WHEN PEOPLE START CHOKING ON THIS INFORMATION, JUST REMEMBER THAT THE NEXT TIME YOU DON'T LIKE THE QUESTIONS I ASK THE PEOPLE WANTING MONEY.
ANY OTHER JOYFUL INFORMATION? I THINK I'LL GO SIT DOWN NOW.
SO, UM, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE'VE GOT ENOUGH TIME TO DO MUCH ELSE, BUT, UH, IT'S UM, MAYBE TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK AND THEN BE READY AT SIX O'CLOCK TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION.
SO WE WILL TAKE FIVE MINUTE BREAK.
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I HEAR YOU ALL RIGHT, IT'S 6 0 1.SO IF I COULD HAVE EVERYONE BACK IN THEIR SEATS AND
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WE'LL GET READ INTO CLOSED SESSION UNDER JASON.I MOVED THE BOARD ENTER INTO A CLOSED MEETING UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF SECTION TWO DOT TWO DASH 3 7 1 1 8, 7 AND EIGHT OF THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT FOR CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL PERTAINING TO ACTUAL OR PROBABLE LITIGATION AND THE PROVISION OF LEGAL ADVICE REGARDING THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY OF THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL AND THE COUNTY OF WARREN, VIRGINIA, THE EDA, THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, THE EDA VERSUS JENNIFER MACDONALD AT ALL THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL VERSUS THE EDA AT ALL THE EDA VERSUS THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, OTHER POTENTIAL CLAIMS AND LITIGATION RELATING TO OTHER POSSIBLE LIABILITIES OF THE EDA, THE RECOVERY OF EDA FUNDS AND ASSETS, AND THE OUTSTANDING INDEBTEDNESS OF THE EDA SERVING ROLL CALL MRS. SHIRAKI MR. MABE, MRS. COOK, MADAM CHAIR.
IF I CAN HAVE SOMEONE READ US OUT OF CLOSED SESSION, PLEASE.
AND I'M CHAIR, I MOVED THE DIVORCE CERTIFIES TO THE BEST OF EACH MEMBER'S KNOWLEDGE.
ONLY PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS, LAWFULLY EXEMPTED FROM OPEN MEETING REQUIREMENTS UNDER SECTION TWO DOT TWO DASH 37, 11 A SEVEN AND EIGHT OF THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT AND ONLY SUCH PUBLIC BUSINESS MANNERS AS WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION BY WHICH THE CLOSED MEETING WAS CONVENED OR HEARD, DISCUSSED, OR CONSIDERED IN THE MEETING BY THE PUBLIC BODY.
IS THERE A SECOND? WE'LL CALL MRS. SHIRAKI MR. BUTLER, MRS. OATES, MADAM CHAIR.
WE HAVE ABOUT FIVE MINUTES BEFORE OUR MEETING STARTS.
SO IF ANYONE NEEDS A BREAK NAILS TIME, TAKE IT.
AND WELCOME TO THE AUGUST 16TH, 2022 BOARD OF SUPERVISOR MEETING.
AND WE'RE GOING TO START OUR MEETING THIS EVENING WITH A PRAYER FROM PASTOR STEP.
THANK YOU SIR, FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT, YOU CAN COME RIGHT UP HERE.
SO FATHER, WE COME TO YOU FIRST AND FOREMOST AND PRAISE YOU FOR THE BLESSINGS OF THIS DAY OF LIVING IN THE SHENANDOAH VALLEY FATHER.
ALL THAT WE'VE HAD BEFORE US TODAY.
AND WE THANK YOU FOR THAT PRIVILEGE AND FATHER, WE PRAY FOR THE PROCEEDINGS HERE TONIGHT.
I PRAY FOR THOSE IN FRONT OF ME, FATHER WITH THE RESPONSIBILITY AND THE DUTY TO BE, AND TO BE THE EARS AND TO HEAR, TO BE ABLE TO HAVE DISCERNMENT AND WISDOM, MAY YOU BE IN AND OF THEIR DECISIONS AND THE THINGS THAT ARE BEFORE THEM.
WE THANK YOU FOR THEIR SACRIFICE, THEIR EFFORTS, THEIR TIME, THE DESIRE TO SERVE.
AND WE ASK AGAIN YOUR BLESSING UPON THEM AND THEIR DUTIES AND FATHER.
WE PRAY FOR THOSE BEHIND ME, THOSE THAT ARE HERE TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS WONDERFUL GOVERNMENT THAT YOU'VE GIVEN US, THAT IS FOR THE PEOPLE AND BY THE PEOPLE.
AND SO THEY'RE HERE TAKING THEIR, THEIR PRIVILEGE THAT YOU HAVE GRANTED US, THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN US IN THIS NATION.
AND WE ASK THAT YOU WOULD BLESS THEM, GIVE THEM CLARITY, GIVE THEM, UNDERSTANDING WISDOM PATIENTS AND HELP THEM FATHER TO RE UH, GIVE THEIR PERSPECTIVE WITH RESPECT AND A DESIRE FATHER TO, TO ALLOW THOSE THAT ARE TO HEAR, TO HEAR AND TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS.
AGAIN, WE THANK YOU FOR JUST THE OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVE TO LIVE IN A NATION SUCH AS THIS.
AND WE ASK YOUR BLESSING AGAIN, UPON THIS TIME UPON THESE PROCEEDINGS, AND MAY IT BE ALL TO YOUR GLORY, AND WE PRAY THIS IN JESUS'S NAME.
[A. Call to Order and Pledge of Allegiance of the United States of America]
I CALLED THIS MEETING TO ORDER, AND IF EVERYONE WOULD STAND PLEASE FOR THE PLEDGE OF[01:00:01]
ALLEGIANCE, THE LEGEND OF UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.[B. Adoption of Agenda – Additions or Deletions]
ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA.ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS MADAM CHAIR? I THINK WE NEED TO ADD AN ISSUE, UM, TO THE AGENDA AND I'D LIKE TO ADD IT TO, UM, MAKE IT ITEM B ONE.
AND THAT WOULD BE THE RESOLUTION OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OF WARREN COUNTY APPROPRIATING FUNDS TO WARREN COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS FOR INSTRUCTION.
IS THERE A SECOND TO THE MOTION TO AMEND THE AGENDA WITH THE ADDITION OF THE RESOLUTION AND, UH, MS. OATS THAT MOTION WOULD INCLUDE ADOPTING THE RESOLUTION AS PRESENTED WITH THAT ADDITION, RIGHT? YES.
IT WOULD BE BOTH SECOND ROLL CALL, MRS. SHIRAKI MR. MABE, MRS. COOK.
[Additional Item]
NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS THE RESOLUTION.UM, THE RESOLUTION OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OF WARREN COUNTY APPROPRIATING FUNDS TO THE WARREN COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS FOR INSTRUCTION.
WHEREAS THE WARREN COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD, THE SCHOOL BOARD HAS ANNOUNCED THAT IT IS UNABLE TO FUND THE FOLLOWING SIX ITEMS, THE SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION ITEMS DUE TO BUDGET SHORTFALLS.
NUMBER ONE COST OF 5% SALARY INCREASES 2 MILLION, $324,206.
NUMBER TWO COST OF $1,000 DECEMBER BONUSES, UH, 800,000 SIX HUNDRED AND FORTY EIGHT HUNDRED, SIX HUNDRED AND FORTY $430, UM, CAUSED OF EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES AND ATHLETICS, $1,000,040, $40,782 COST OF ALL REMAINING SUPPLEMENTS, $160,878 COST OF THREE PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT DAYS, $727,317 COST OF FILING A FILLING EIGHT VACANT TEASER POSITIONS, $596,928.
TOTAL BUDGET SHORTFALL OF $5,714,541.
WHEREAS THE SCHOOL BOARD HAS REQUESTED THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OF WARREN COUNTY, VIRGINIA, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FUND THE SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION ITEMS, AND WHEREAS THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ONCE TO FUND THE SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION ITEMS NOW, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AMENDS THE FISCAL YEAR BUDGET 2020 TO 2023 BUDGET, THE BUDGET BY APPROPRIATING 5 MILLION, $714,541 TO THE SCHOOL BOARD TO THE INSTRUCTION, MAJOR CLASSIFICATION PER CODE OF VIRGINIA, 22.1 DASH 94 AND 22.1 DASH ONE 15.
I TO FUND THE SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION ITEMS THAT SUCH FUNDS SHALL BE TRANSFERRED FROM THE BUDGET ITEM, NOT ENTITLED NON DEPARTMENTAL, AND THAT THE TOTAL INSTRUCTION CLASSIFICATION IN THE SCHOOL DIVISION PORTION OF THE BUDGET IS AMENDED FROM $53,417 TO $54,718,958.
IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE RESOLUTION AS PRESENTED? SO IF MOVED, IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND ROW COLUMN IS THE SHIRAKI MR. BUTLER, MRS. OATES.
[C. Public Comment Period (60 Minute Time Limit)]
ON THE AGENDA IS PUBLIC COMMENT, TIME AND PUBLIC COMMENT.TIME IS A 60 MINUTE TIME PERIOD WHERE EACH SPEAKER HAS THREE MINUTES AND ALL COMMENTS WILL BE DIRECTED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, NOT TO THE AUDIENCE, BE CONSIDERATE OF YOUR FELLOW SPEAKERS, THERE SHOULD BE NO APPLAUSE, BOOING OR OTHER AUDIBLE DISRUPTION TO THE PROCEEDINGS.
THE CHAIRMAN MAY ASK FOR A SHOW OF SUPPORT FOR COMMENTS, MAY BEST SPEAKERS, PLACARDS POSTERS, AND OTHER MEANS OF VISUAL DISPLAY OF COMMENTS WILL NOT BE PERMITTED IN THE BOARD MEETING ROOM.
THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE INFORMATIONAL MATERIAL USED AS PART OF A FACTUAL PRESENTATION TO THE BOARD.
THE BOARD WILL NOT TOLERATE PERSONAL ATTACKS BY ANYONE ON ANY OF THE PARTICIPANTS IN THE PROCEEDINGS.
ANYONE WHO VIOLATES THE GUIDELINES OF THE PUBLIC HEARING AND PUBLIC SPEAKING PORTION OF THE MEETING, MAYBE ASYLEES BY THE CHAIRMAN.
MRS. SHRUNK, HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? YES.
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OKAY.WHEN YOU COME UP, UH, IF YOU WOULD SAY YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS, WE'D APPRECIATE THAT.
IF YOU WOULD COME UP HERE, PLEASE.
UM, AMY FLORA, PRESIDENT OF SECONDARY EDUCATION FOR THE WARREN COUNTY EDUCATION ASSOCIATION, MATH TEACHER AT WARREN COUNTY HIGH SCHOOL RESIDENT AND PARENT OF STUDENTS OF WARREN COUNTY, BASED ON WHAT JUST HAPPENED.
UM, I NEED TO AMEND MY THOUGHTS AND MY COMMENTS BECAUSE I WAS NOT PREPARED FOR THAT.
AND SO AT THIS TIME I'M GOING TO REFRAIN FROM SAYING ANYTHING UNTIL I HAVE TIME TO DIGEST WHAT JUST OCCURRED.
SO I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK.
I HAVE BEEN RESIDENT OF WARREN COUNTY FOR THREE YEARS.
THIS IS MY CHOICE OF A PLACE TO RETIRE AFTER 42 YEARS OF TEACHING.
MOST OF THOSE YEARS IN VIRGINIA, UH, LIKE THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER, I HAVE TO AMEND MY COMMENTS BECAUSE, UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO APPLAUD THE, WHAT JUST TRANSPIRED AND THAT IS, UM, FUNDING FOR THE SCHOOLS.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO READ MORE ABOUT THAT TOO, BEFORE I SAY TOO MUCH, BUT, UH, I DO CERTAINLY APPLAUD FUNDING FOR OUR FULL FUNDING FOR OUR WARREN COUNTY SCHOOLS.
UM, IN ADDITION TO FUNDING OUR WARREN COUNTY SCHOOLS MEMBERSHIP WITH THE VIRGINIA BOARD SCHOOL BOARD ASSOCIATION IS CRITICAL FOR ITS IMPORTANT POLICY, ADVICE, LEGAL ADVICE, AND OTHER SERVICES.
ITS MEMBERS ARE REPOSITORIES OF EXTENSIVE KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE.
UM, UH, JUST WRAP UP BY AGAIN, AFFIRMING EVERY CHILD WHO ENTERS OUR PUPPY SCHOOL BUILDINGS IS DESERVING AND HAS A RIGHT TO OUR FULL PROTECTION AND A RIGOROUS EDUCATION.
EVERY STUDENT, EVERY TEACHER, EVERY ADMINISTRATOR, EVERY SCHOOL STAFF MEMBER DESERVES 100% OF OUR SUPPORT AND FOR PETE'S SAKES, FULL FUNDING.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK AND DEDICATION TO OUR COMMUNITY.
MADAM CHAIR AND NOEL WILLIAMS. UH, I ALSO LIVE HERE IN FRONT RULE.
YOU COULD SAY YOUR NAME, MA'AM NOEL WILLIAMS, AND I AM ALSO HAPPY THAT YOU ARE GOING TO FUND THE SCHOOL, BUT I ALSO WANT TO MAKE IT KNOWN THAT WE SHOULDN'T HAVE THIS DISCUSSION.
THESE CHILDREN ARE IN NEED OF FUNDING.
IT'S THE STEPPING STONE TO A BETTER LIFE FOR ALL CHILDREN.
WE'RE IN THE MIDST OF A COVID EPIDEMIC THAT WE'RE COMING OUT OF.
THESE CHILDREN NEED TO GET BACK TO EDUCATION.
IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THEM TO HAVE THESE EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES.
WE NEED MORE AFTERCARE IN THIS TOWN.
THERE'S NOT ENOUGH DAYCARE FOR THESE PARENTS.
I HAVE TO PICK UP MY NEPHEWS FROM EOS AND MORRISON, AND THERE'S A LOT OF KIDS, PARENTS THAT HAVE TO WORK AND THEY DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE FOR THESE KIDS TO GO AFTER SCHOOL.
AND I THINK THAT THE SCHOOL BOARD NEEDS TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WHAT THEY'RE PUTTING THESE PARENTS THROUGH IS INCONCEIVABLE.
THAT THEY WILL TRY TO TAKE FUNDING FROM THE SCHOOL CHILDREN WHO I NEED OF EDUCATION AND A SAFE HAVEN AND A PLACE TO LEARN AND TO GROW LIKE WE ALL GOT TO DO.
WE NEED THOSE EXTRA CURRICULAR ACTIVITIES AND WE NEED FUNDING FOR THESE SCHOOLS AND WARREN COUNTY.
MA'AM ANYONE ELSE? THAT'S MY CHAIR.
I CAME HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE I WANTED TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION FROM THE LAST BOARD OF SUPERVISOR MEETING REGARDING OLD OAK IN THE FUNDING.
AND I WANT TO ASK YOUR QUESTION TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT TO
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YOUR QUESTION.THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY, THERE HASN'T BEEN A ACTIVE OR PROACTIVE WAY OR MEANS OR AN ATTEMPT TO EVEN GET THE COMMUNITY INVOLVED IN THIS DECISION.
THAT WAS A PASTIME TO YOU FROM THE ADVISORY BOARD.
DOESN'T EXIST TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
UM, I'VE BEEN THERE FROM THE INCEPTION.
UH, THE PERSON THERE PRESENTED THAT THEY WERE NOT, IT WAS BEFORE THEIR TIME IS AN ACCURATE, THEY WERE THERE.
THEY WERE THERE FOR THE CIP PLAN FOR 2021 FOR 2020 TO 2021.
THE COMMUNITY HAD A LOT OF INVOLVEMENT.
I MADE SURE THAT THEY WERE NOTIFIED.
I MADE SURE THAT WE HAD THE PROPER MEETINGS.
UM, THEY WERE TRAINED, THEY WERE TAUGHT AND THEY WERE ADVISED ON THIS PROJECT FROM BEGINNING TO END AND GOING BACK TO 2014, BY THE WAY, IN THE CIP PLAN, THESE FIRST THREE ITEMS, WHICH INCLUDED OLD OAK AND YOUNG DRIED WAS APPROVED.
THAT BEING SAID, THE PERSON WHO SAID THEY, THEY WERE NOT THERE AT THE TIME.
IT WAS BEFORE THEIR TIME ACTUALLY PROACTIVELY AND HAD EMOTION PUT BEFORE THE COMMUNITY ON JANUARY 11TH, 2020 TO INCREASE THE SANITARY DISTRICT FEES.
BASED ON THE CIP PLAN, THERE WAS A CONSENSUS.
THIS IS WHY THE SANITARY DISTRICT FEES WERE INCREASED.
NOW THE INCREASE DIDN'T APPLY TO THE FIRST THREE ITEMS AGAIN, BECAUSE THE PRIORITIES, BECAUSE THEY WERE ALREADY APPROVED, BE FUNDED.
AND SO ON, THE INCREASE WAS TO FOLLOW FOR THE FALL.
THE NEXT THREE YEARS AFTER THEY ARE PRIORITIES FOUR TO SIX, AND THEN THESE PRIORITIES THROUGH 10, ANY FUTURE FUNDING THAT CAME DOWN THE ROAD WAS FOR FUTURE PROJECTS.
AND AGAIN, THE INCREASE WOULD GO TOWARD THAT, WHICH WOULD BE THE FOLLOWING TEN-YEAR PROJECT.
SO I WANTED TO GIVE YOU THE FACTS, WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTED, WHAT THEY VOTED FOR AND WHY THEY VOTED FOR THE INCREASE OF THEIR FEES.
I DON'T ANTICIPATE THESE FEES COMING DOWN FOR THEM BECAUSE OF THE PROJECTS THAT THERE'S JUST NUMEROUS PROJECTS.
THEY ARE ALSO UNDER THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IF WE GOT THESE PROJECTS DONE, THEN, UM, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO, UM, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO INCREASE FEES ANYMORE OUT WOULD TAKE OVER THE ROADS.
WE WOULD HAVE, WE COULD ELIMINATE TWO BUSES FOR THE SCHOOLS BECAUSE THEY COULD NOW USE OLD OAK.
WE DO SEEING THE AMOUNT OF BUSES AND THE COST FOR THE SCHOOL SYSTEM THAT WAY.
UM, I'D LIKE TO GO ON ABOUT THE DRIVEWAYS.
I'VE GOT TO CUT YOU OFF AT THREE, ENDED UP COMPLETELY WRONG.
SO I CAN GIVE YOU THE FIGURES ON THERE, BUT THEY'RE THE DRIVEWAY SCENARIO IS NOT EVEN CLOSE.
ANYONE ELSE MRS. SHIRAKI? YES.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN ON THE BOARD, RYAN MESSENGER LIVE IN SHENANDOAH FARMS AND I CONSIDER MYSELF A MEMBER OF THE SHANNON BILL, UH, FARMS, PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION.
UM, I TITLED THIS DISSATISFIED.
I'VE BEEN DISSATISFIED AT THE COUNTY'S PAST ABILITY TO PROVIDE FINANCIAL RECORDS AND UPDATES ON THE SANITARY DISTRICT UP UNTIL RECENTLY, HOPEFULLY BETTER TRANSPARENCY WILL BE SEEN IN THE FUTURE AND DISSATISFIED IN THE BOARD'S LACK OF COMMUNICATION AND RESPONSES TO AND WITH THE POS AF AND DEATH SATISFIED WITH THE FINANCIAL IGNORANCE TO DECIDE, TO CONTINUE WITH THE CURRENT, ALTHOUGH FOUR AND FIVE PROJECTS, WHICH WOULD DRAIN THE SANITARY DISTRICT FUNDS WITHOUT REASSESSING THE SANITARY DISTRICT BUDGET.
AND THEN TWO YEARS LATER, THAT HOME COST FIVE TIMES AS MUCH, IT WOULD BE IRRESPONSIBLE TO PURCHASE SET HOME WITHOUT REASSESSING YOUR BUDGET AND DISSATISFIED WITH THE COUNTY'S LACK OF REPRESENTATION AT THE NEW SANITARY DISTRICT ADVISORY MEETINGS.
THE ONLY COUNTY REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LAST MEETING, WHICH I ATTENDED WAS MY MICHAEL KOHLFELD.
I WAS DISSATISFIED WITH THE APPROACH THAT MICHAEL TOOK AND THE ATTEMPT TO LIMIT THE DISCUSSIONS THAT THE SANITARY DISTRICT ADVISORY BOARD HAD IN REGARDS TO THE PLSS BUDGET IS SOMETHING HAS BEEN PART OF A BUDGET FOR A DECADE.
WHY WOULD AN ADVISORY BOARD WHO IS SUPPOSED TO ADVISE ON SAID BUDGET AND NOT BE ALLOWED TO DISCUSS
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THAT ITEM? I'M DISSATISFIED TO HEAR THE COUNTY'S RESPONSE FOR REQUEST OF INFORMATION BY THAT ADVISORY BOARD ABOUT THE SANITARY DISTRICT AND ITS OPERATIONS TO BE CHARGED FOR INFORMATION THAT SHOULD BE READILY AVAILABLE.HOW IS AN ADVISORY BOARD SUPPOSED TO ADVISE IF THEY CAN'T HAVE FUNDAMENTAL INFORMATION AND DISSATISFIED THAT THE HEARING THAT THE COUNTY HAS NOW REQUESTED A RETURN OF REMAINING FUNDS FROM THE PLSS THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BUDGETS, THE BOARD DIDN'T SEEM TO HAVE AN ISSUE ACCEPTING POS F AND THE COMMUNITY'S RECOMMENDATION TO INCREASE THEIR SANITARY DISTRICT FEE, TO PAY FOR OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS AND THE PLSS BUDGET.
IT'S NOT OFTEN THAT CITIZENS RALLY TOGETHER AND SAY, RAISE OUR TAXES, BUT NOW THE BOARD DOESN'T SEEM TO LISTEN AND SEEMS TO BE IGNORING THAT SAME COMMUNITY'S QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS ABOUT HOW THAT BUDGET IS BEING SPENT.
WITH REGARDS TO WHAT THE LAST SPEAKER SAID.
I DO AGREE WITH A LOT OF WHAT SHE SAID AS REGARDS TO THE FACTS, HOWEVER, THE PLAN WITH THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS AND ALTHOUGH FOUR AND FIVE, HOW DID, HOW DID DOLLAR FIGURE ATTACHED TO IT? THAT'S INCREASED FIVE FOLD TO JUST CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD.
IT SEEMS DESTRUCTIVE, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY MONEY LEFT TO DO ANY OF THE OTHER PROJECTS OR TO TAKE CARE OF THE POA THAT LIVES WITHIN THAT COMMUNITY.
ANYONE ELSE WAS DISTRACTING? YES, MA'AM TRACY LANE.
I LIVE AT 6 45 BRAG DRIVE AND SHENANDOAH FARMS. UM, I BOUGHT MY HOME THERE 10 AGO AND IN THAT LAST, IN THE 10 YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN THERE, I HAVE ENJOYED THE COMMUNITY PROPERTIES.
I'VE ENJOYED MEETING MY NEIGHBORS, ENGAGING MY NEIGHBORS, GOING TO OUR LAKES, USING THE, WE USE THE COMMUNITY CENTER TWO WEEKS AGO FROM MEMORIAL FOR MY, UM, MY BONUS MOM.
UM, THE AMPHITHEATER, WE USE THAT FOR A YARD SELL AND SWAP, AND WE HAVE MUSIC THERE, YOU KNOW, AND WE HAVE ALL THE RIVER ACCESS.
AND, YOU KNOW, AS A MEMBER OF THE POS F WE'VE BEEN, UM, FIGHTING TO REGAIN ACCESS TO ONE OF OUR LOTS, UM, THE COUNTY'S RELUCTANCE TO, UM, FUND P O S F INC, IS PUTTING ALL OF THAT IN JEOPARDY, WITHOUT THE FUNDING, WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO PAY FOR THE MAINTENANCE, THE MANAGEMENT OR THE INSURANCE, WHICH MEANS ALL OF THE COMMUNITY PROPERTIES ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE CLOSED TO MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY.
THIS IMPACTS OUR RESELL VALUE.
IT IMPACTS THE REASON WHY I BOUGHT IN THIS COMMUNITY TO BEGIN WITH IMPACTS THE REASON A LOT OF FOLKS CHOOSE TO LIVE, WHERE WE LIVE.
UM, REESE, YOU GUYS HAVE ALL BEEN NOTIFIED THAT POS F INC IS CONSIDERED A POA BY THE STATE OF VIRGINIA.
UM, WE'VE GOT ALL THE PAPERWORK YOU GUYS HAVE RECEIVED COPIES OF IT.
AND I WANT TO READ AN EXCERPT FROM THE BROCHURE THAT WARREN COUNTY HAS ON SANITARY DISTRICTS.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS IT SAYS IN THERE, IT SAYS HOW WELL SANITARY DISTRICT'S STATUS AFFECT AN EXISTING HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION OR PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION AND CURRENT FEES.
IT SAYS THE WARREN COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WOULD BE DESIGNATED AS THE GOVERNING BOARD OF THE SANITARY DISTRICT.
THE HOA POA WOULD SUBMIT AN ANNUAL BUDGET AND PROPOSE TAX RATES TO THE BOS FOR APPROVAL.
ONCE A SUBDIVISION IS DESIGNATED AS THE SANITARY DISTRICT, THE SUBDIVISION GOVERNING BODY COULD WAIVE OR ELIMINATE THE ANNUAL FEE IS CURRENTLY PAID TO THE ASSOCIATION.
AND THE REASON WHY WE POS F INC HAS DONE THAT SINCE WE BECAME SANITARY DISTRICT IS BECAUSE WE'RE BEING FUNDED AS A PART OF THOSE SANITARY DISTRICT FEES.
YOUR BROCHURE SAYS THAT YOU FUND US.
YOU NEED TO FUND US ANYONE ELSE, MRS. SHAHRAKI NO ONE ELSE HAS SIGNED UP MADAM CHAIR.
WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? ANYONE LIKED TO SPEAK THIRD AND FINAL CALL.
IF SOMEONE WANTS TO SPEAK NOW, OR I CAN ONLY LET ONE PERSON SPEAK ON IT.
AND MR. HAM TOLD ME NO, THAT IS NOT ALLOWED IN OUR MOUTH.
SO I'M TRYING TO, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK, PLEASE COME UP.
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HI.I'M JUST A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT YOU GUYS I'M LIKE.
CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? YOU GUYS ANSWER IT OR AM I JUST LIKE TALKING AT YOU? IS THAT HOW THIS WORKS? ASK YOUR QUESTION.
IF SOMEONE CAN ANSWER IT IN THE REPORT AND THEY'VE LIED TO OKAY THEN.
UM, BUT THIS IS NOT A QUESTIONNAIRE.
I WAS JUST, I, WE WERE TRYING TO READ THE RULES AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT I CAN AND CAN'T DO.
UM, BUT SO IS THAT MONEY THAT YOU LIKE APPROPRIATED FOR THE RAISES AND THE, UM, ALL THAT EXTRA STUFF? IS THAT COMING FROM SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY IN OUR BUDGET OR IS THAT COMING FROM YOU? AND WE CAN ANSWER THAT IN OUR REPORT.
ANYONE ELSE AT THIS TIME? HELLO? MY NAME IS STEVEN HARVEY.
I'M THE HIGH SCHOOL THEATER TEACHER AT WARREN COUNTY HIGH SCHOOL.
I ALSO LIVE IN A MCCOY'S FORD ROAD, WHICH I BELIEVE IS IN THE SHANANDOAH DISTRICT.
UM, BUT, UM, THE COMMENT THAT I HAVE IS ABOUT THE $5.7 MILLION THAT WAS APPROPRIATED FROM, UM, YOUR ACCOUNTS TO THE SCHOOL BOARD, WHICH I DO GREATLY APPRECIATE, BUT WHAT HAS NOT BEEN APPROPRIATED IS A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT ARE ON THE LIST.
AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO READ THEM OFF.
ONE ENGLISH LANGUAGE TEACHER, TWO ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, ART TEACHERS, ONE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL COUNSELOR, ANOTHER ELEMENTARY SCHOOL COUNSELOR, ONE TECHNOLOGY INTEGRATION COACH FOR 210 DAYS.
ONE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNICATIONS, ONE BOARD CERTIFIED BEHAVIOR ANALYSIS, TWO LIBRARY ASSISTANTS, ONE INSTRUCTIONAL ASSISTANT, TWO MATH COACHES, ONE PATHWAYS AND CONNECTIONS INSTRUCTIONAL ASSISTANT ONE INCREASED BRTC CAREER COACH TO FULL-TIME INCREASED TWO BUS DRIVERS FROM 4.5 HOURS TO EIGHT HOURS INCREASE IRT AND DEAN SUPPLEMENTS BY $2,500 ADD SUPPLEMENT FOR VHSL ROBOTIC COACHES AT $5,000 SUPPLEMENT FOR MIDDLE SCHOOL, ASSISTANT PRINCIPALS INCREASE DEGREE SUPPLEMENTS, INCREASED COACHING TEAM LEADER, DEPARTMENT CHAIR, ET CETERA, SUPPLEMENTS BY 10% INCREASE ONE SPEECH TO ONE SPEECH, 12 MONTHS INCREASE ONE SOCIAL WORKER TO 12 MONTHS, UH, CREATE GRADE 32 SCALE FOR ASSISTANT SUPERINTENDENTS.
SENIOR CLASS SPONSORS STIPEND A THOUSAND DOLLARS EACH, UM, WHICH IS DIRELY IMPORTANT.
I MIGHT ADD A JUNIOR CLASS SPONSOR STIPEND, THE SOPHOMORE CLASS SPONSOR STIPEND, THE FRESHMAN CLASS SPONSOR STIPEND, THE INCREASE ATHLETIC TRAINERS TO 11 MONTHS AT $2,500 SUPPLEMENTAL TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT FOR CARE SUPPORT MOVE BRTC, SECRETARY TO ADMIN ASSISTANT SCALE GRADE SEVEN SCALE AT $10,000 TRANSLATOR STIPEND TO THE SECRETARY SCHOOL GRADE NINE, CONTRACTED WEBSITE, SUPPORT CIP, ANNUAL SUPPORT PAINTING AND CARPET REPLACEMENT, DUAL ENROLLMENT CLASS SUPPORT, UH, STUDENT TUITION SUPPORT INCREASED CUSTODIAL CONTRACT COST FOUR MONTH CONTRACT AT GROUNDSKEEPING, 7% INCREASE FOR THE TRANSPORTATION FUEL COST, 10% INCREASE HEATING FUEL COSTS WITH MY REMAINING MINUTE.
MAYBE WITH A FEW SECONDS LEFT, I MIGHT JUST REMIND YOU THAT THAT IS SILENTLY STARVING.
THOSE THINGS THAT ARE ON THE TOP OF THAT LIST HAVE BEEN DIRELY NEEDED FOR YEARS AND THEY CONTINUOUSLY GET PUSHED TO THE SIDE.
IT'S NOT JUST YOU AND I DON'T WANT TO TALK DIRECTLY TO YOU.
IT IS JUST BEEN PUSHED TO THE SIDE AND IT IS DIRELY IMPORTANT AND MORE AND MORE OF US LEAVE THE PROFESSION BECAUSE OF IT.
I CHOSE TO TEACH BECAUSE I LOVE WHAT I DO.
I DID NOT CHOOSE TO TEACH TO STARVE.
I DID NOT CHOOSE TO TEACH TO STRUGGLE EVERY DAY, BUT I DO BECAUSE I LOVE IT.
BUT PLEASE DO NOT MAKE ME CHOOSE TO STARVE.
ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? OKAY.
ONE CAUSE THIS LAST CALL MY NAME IS REBECCA HUTSON HODGE.
I AM AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL TEACHER HERE IN WARREN COUNTY.
I AM CO-PRESIDENT OF THE WCEA FOR ELEMENTARY.
I AM A MOTHER OF A CHILD IN WARREN COUNTY AND I AM A RESIDENT OF THE HAPPY CREEK DISTRICT.
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WE, THE WCEA WE SUPPORT FUNDING THE FULL BUDGET AS ALL THOSE POSITIONS THAT WERE LISTED ARE VITALLY IMPORTANT.ART TEACHERS, COUNSELORS, AND COMPENSATION, FOR THOSE WHO PUT THEIR EXTRA TIME IN WHO TAKE CARE OF THINGS FOR THEIR STUDENTS.
WE LOVE WHAT WE DO, AND WE WANT TO SEE OUR SCHOOLS BE THE BEST THEY CAN BE.
AND THE ONLY WAY THAT HAPPENS IS IF THESE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT THINGS ARE FULLY FUNDED AND WHILE WE APPRECIATE OUR SALARIES ARE FUNDED.
NOW, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT OUR SUPPLEMENTS FOR OUR ADVANCED DEGREES, BUT OUR BASE SALARIES ARE FULLY FUNDED.
THOSE OTHER THINGS FOR THE FAMILIES AND THE STUDENTS OF WARREN COUNTY ARE ALSO EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
SO I ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK AT FULLY FUNDING THE BUDGET AS IT WAS ORIGINALLY PRESENTED.
SO WE'VE ONLY HAD ABOUT 20 MINUTES OF PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO IF ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME.
THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME COME BACK AFTER I WAS ABLE TO GET MY BEARINGS.
CAUSE THAT WAS KIND OF A SURPRISE.
WE HADN'T SEEN ANY OF THE DOCUMENTATION AND I DEFINITELY DID NOT WANT TO SPEAK AND SAY SOMETHING THAT WAS INACCURATE, UM, BEFORE LOOKING AT THAT.
SO DURING THIS TIME WE'VE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT.
I WILL BE QUICK SINCE I WAS BRIEFLY UP HERE BEFORE.
UM, I DID JUST WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU SOME DATA THAT I DID HAVE FROM MY PREVIOUS COMMENTS, UH, THAT I DIDN'T SAY THAT STILL APPLY.
UM, WE DO FOR THE WCA, HOW MANY TEACHERS FEEL LIKE THIS SHOULD BE FUNDED? A HUNDRED PERCENT.
IT IS COSTING THE COUNTY ZERO ADDITIONAL DOLLARS AS IT DID LAST YEAR.
EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE INFLATION, EVEN THOUGH RAISING GAS PRICES, IT IS NOT COUNTING COSTING THE COUNTY ANY ADDITIONAL MONEY.
WE DID A SURVEY, THE WCEA DID A SURVEY TO SEE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN WITH RESPECT TO THIS BUDGET.
PART OF THIS DOESN'T APPLY ANYMORE BECAUSE YOU, WE WON'T HAVE TO LOOK AT, UH, REISSUING CONTRACTS.
UM, HOWEVER, WHAT'S MY NUMBER, 77% OF THE TEACHERS SURVEYED SAID THAT BECAUSE OF THIS SITUATION, OKAY, THEY ARE PLANNING TO LEAVE WARREN COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
77% OF THE TEACHERS THAT WE SURVEYED ARE LOOKING TO LEAVE WARREN COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS BECAUSE OF WHAT HAPPENED WITH THIS BUDGET THIS YEAR, THEY ARE CONCERNED THAT THIS IS GOING TO BECOME A YEARLY THING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE SECOND MONTH INTO THE FISCAL YEAR TO SEE IF THEY'RE EVEN GOING TO GET THE PAY THAT THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING TO GET.
ALL RIGHT, JUST SO YOU KNOW, VIRGIN, UH, IN WARREN COUNTY RANKED 93, OUT OF 132 VIRGINIA SCHOOL DIVISIONS ON PER STUDENT SPENDING WARREN COUNTY'S EFFORTS WERE 52% LOWER THAN THE REGIONAL AVERAGE, 39% LOWER THAN THE STATE AVERAGE.
OUR STATE STAFFING VACANCY LAST YEAR WAS 70, WAS 7%, A FULL PERCENTAGE POINT HIGHER THAN THE STATE AVERAGE.
MAYBE THIS IS BECAUSE WE PAID BELOW THE STATE AVERAGE SALARY AND $17,000 BELOW THE REGIONAL AVERAGE SALARY.
SO I APPRECIATE THAT YOU HAVE FUNDED US TO SOME EXTENT, BUT FUNDING THIS 100% DIDN'T COST WOULD NOT COST THE COUNTY ANY ADDITIONAL MONEY AND WOULD MAKE SUCH A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN GOING AND BEING COMPETITIVE AND NOT LOSING SO MANY TEACHERS.
I REALLY ASK THAT YOU DO CONSIDER FUNDING THE BUDGET A HUNDRED PERCENT PLEASE.
I DON'T SEE ANY SHOW OF HANDS, SO I'M GOING TO ASSUME.
YES, MA'AM I ACTUALLY DID NOT PLAN TO SPEAK.
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CAME TO LISTEN.UM, I LIVE WITH MY NAME IS JUDAS LAMONT AND I LIVE IN MIDDLETOWN AND, UM, I DON'T HAVE KIDS IN SCHOOL.
I WAS FORTUNATE TO HAVE HIGHER EDUCATION AND PEOPLE WHO ARE EDUCATED HAVE A LOWER PROBABILITY OF LIVING IN POVERTY.
UH, THEY ARE FORTUNATE IN THEIR HEALTH TO BE HEALTHIER, UH, LESS VIOLENT CRIME BECAUSE OVER THE YEARS, AS YOU GET EDUCATED, YOU LEARN MORE OPTIONS AND YOU MAKE CHOICES.
AND UM, I REALLY SUPPORT THE TEACHERS WHO FROM THE WORD, GO HELP OUR CHILDREN LEARN THE SKILLS.
THEY NEED TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS AND TO SEE A WIDER RANGE OF OPTIONS.
UM, I'M 72 YEARS OLD AND I'M STILL WORKING THREE JOBS.
WHY? BECAUSE I LOVE WHAT I DO MUCH LIKE THE TEACHERS WHO ARE HERE AND WHEN YOU, I MEAN EDUCATION, ISN'T EVERYTHING, BUT IT ISN'T NOTHING EITHER.
AND WHEN YOU HAVE OPTIONS, YOU CAN FIND WORK.
AND THAT ALLOWS YOU TO CHANGE.
WHEN I WENT TO SCHOOL, THERE WERE NO PCS, NO PERSONAL COMPUTERS.
AND I DID SOME OF MY RESEARCH USING IBM PUNCH CARDS, WHICH PROBABLY NOBODY REMEMBERS ANYMORE.
BUT BECAUSE I LEARNED HOW TO LEARN FROM THE TEACHERS WHO TAUGHT ME AND THE ONES I REMEMBER THE BEST WERE MIDDLE SCHOOL TEACHERS WHO TAUGHT ME TO LOVE SCIENCE AND WRITING.
SO I THINK THE ADVANCED EDUCATION IS GREAT, BUT IT'S BUILT ON A FOUNDATION.
UM, WHEN YOU GET TO THE POINT WHERE YOU'RE PUTTING ON THE SHUTTERS IN THE ROOF, YOU NEED THE, THAT CEMENT FOUNDATION AND THE WALLS.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE EARLY EDUCATION GIVES YOU.
AND I THINK THAT THE CHILDREN OF OUR COMMUNITY DESERVE THAT AND THEY DESERVE THE FULL FUNDING OF THE BUDGET.
IT'S AMAZING HOW, WHEN I SAY LAST CALL HANDS, GO UP.
WHEN, BEFORE THERE WAS NOT YOU.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
I LIVE IN SHENANDOAH FARMS, UH, CAME TO OBSERVE TONIGHT, UH, WHEN I GOT HOME AND WAS HAVING MY SUBWAY SANDWICH.
UM, MY HIGH SCHOOLERS WERE TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGET.
UM, I HAVE A PERSPECTIVE ON THIS THAT I LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU WHEN I WAS COMING OUT OF MIDDLE SCHOOL AND GOING INTO HIGH SCHOOL AND THE TOWN I GREW UP IN THERE WERE BUDGET ISSUES AND THEY CUT OUT EXTRACURRICULARS.
UH, SPORTS BECAME PAY TO PLAY AND OTHER EXTRACURRICULAR TYPE THINGS WERE CUT OUT.
A THIRD OF THE STUDENT BODY WENT TO OTHER SCHOOL SYSTEMS. I THINK, UH, WE HAVE LEARNED OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, UM, HOW SOCIETAL THINGS AFFECT THE PSYCHE OF STUDENTS.
ONE OF THOSE THINGS IS HOW THEY LOOK AT THEMSELVES AND THE PRIDE THEY HAVE IN THEIR SCHOOL, THEIR SCHOOL SYSTEM.
I CAN TELL YOU WHEN A THIRD OF MY FRIENDS, UH, WENT TO OTHER HIGH SCHOOLS THAT WERE RIVAL HIGH SCHOOLS, WE FELT LESS, UH, WE FELT BAD.
AND, UH, THE STUDENTS ALREADY KNOW ABOUT THIS CONVERSATION AND THAT AFFECTS THEM.
IT LETS THEM KNOW WHAT THIS COMMUNITY THINKS OF THEM AND WHAT THEIR WORTH IS.
AND SO WHEN YOU CONSIDER BUDGET ITEMS, PLEASE MAKE, UH, OUR SCHOOLS A VERY TOP PRIORITY.
AND IF CUTS NEED TO BE MADE, MAKE THEM SOMEWHERE ELSE BECAUSE YES, THE TEACHERS ARE WORTHY AND DESERVING, BUT THESE STUDENTS GET THAT AS WELL.
AND THEY EQUATE THAT TO THEIR WORTH AND THEIR VALUE.
I THINK THE BEST THING WE COULD DO FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND FOR OUR FUTURE IS INVEST HEAVILY IN THE KIDS THAT ARE GROWING UP HERE.
UM, AND SO, UH, JUST FELT COMPELLED TO SAY THAT, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY THERE.
MY NAME IS PARNES ON, I AM A RESIDENT OF LINDEN, VIRGINIA.
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AND FOR OVER 10 YEARS, I WAS A SCHOOL ADMINISTRATOR FOR A PRIVATE SCHOOL IN FAIRFAX COUNTY, VIRGINIA.SO AS SOMEBODY WHO WAS INVOLVED WITH A PRIVATE SCHOOL, THIS WHOLE PROCESS IS IMPENETRABLE TO ME.
AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THERE IS A, A QUESTION AND WHY TEACHERS 77% OR WHATEVER.
UM, THE SPEAKER BEFORE SAID, UH, ARE CONSIDERING LEAVING THE COUNTY BECAUSE OF A PROCESS THAT PUTS SO MUCH DOUBT IN THEIR FUTURE AND THE FUTURE OF THE KIDS THAT THEY'RE SERVING.
SO WITH THEIR HEARTS AND SOULS, UM, AS A SCHOOL ADMINISTRATOR FOR 10 YEARS, I DEVELOPED A REALLY, NOT JUST HEALTHY, BUT, UH, UH, RABID RESPECT FOR TEACHERS AND WHAT THEY DO AND HOW MANY HOURS THEY SPEND BEYOND THE SCHOOL DAY.
UH, AND I ALSO UNDERSTAND HOW IMPORTANT THOSE SUPPORT STAFF ARE.
ALL THE POSITIONS THAT THE GENTLEMAN LISTED IN HIS REMARKS THERE THAT'S, THAT'S IMPORTANT STUFF, AND IT SHOULD BE FULLY FUNDED.
THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING YOU TO SPEAK.
ANYONE ELSE? GOOD EVENING SUPERVISORS.
MY NAME IS BRENDA CROMER AND I AM A BRAND NEW RESIDENT OF SHENANDOAH FARMS AND A NEW CONSTITUENT OF MR. MAYOR.
MAYBE I HADN'T PLANNED ON SPEAKING TONIGHT BECAUSE I AM SO NEW, BUT I'VE HEARD A COUPLE OF TOPICS THAT I THOUGHT YOU COULD USE A DIFFERENT SIDE.
ON FIRST ON THE SHENANDOAH FARMS, POS F ISSUE.
I PURCHASED MY HOUSE AT D C MARKET RATES THIS SUMMER BECAUSE OF THE COMMON AREAS FOR THAT COMMUNITY.
AND I WANT YOU TO KEEP IN MIND THE TAX ASSESSMENTS THAT HAPPEN FROM IT AS WELL.
SO CLOSING THOSE PROPERTIES ARE GOING TO REDUCE THE TAX ASSESSMENTS.
AND 2,800 OF MY FELLOW NEIGHBORS ARE GOING TO REQUEST AN INUNDATE, THE TAX ASSESSORS OF THE COUNTY TO HAVE OUR TAX BILLS LOWERED UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES.
THAT'S ONE TOPIC I WANTED TO DISCUSS.
THE SECOND, WHAT I'VE BEEN HEARING ON THE SCHOOLS, I AM A MOTHER.
HE IS NOW GRADUATED SCHOOL, BUT I AM ALSO A CEO.
I OWN TWO COMPANIES THAT BUILD COMPANIES.
I OWN BUSINESS INCUBATORS IN LOUDEN AND FAIRFAX COUNTIES.
AND I WILL TELL YOU, THE FUNDING OF THE SCHOOLS IS DIRECTLY IMPACTED THE CREATION OF NEW COMPANIES.
THOSE KIDS COME OUT, THEY BECOME WORKERS.
I HAVE WORKED WITH OVER 500 COMPANIES OUT OF MY INCUBATOR KITCHENS, CURRENTLY 120.
AND DURING THE PANDEMIC, I LOST THREE FOOD COMPANIES BECAUSE THEY WERE ABLE TO PIVOT COMING OUT OF FAIRFAX COUNTY.
THESE KIDS ARE AMAZING LOUDON COUNTY TOO, BECAUSE THEIR TEACHERS HAD THE SUPPORT TO TEACH THEM HOW TO HAVE FLEXIBLE MINDS.
IF THE TEACHERS DON'T HAVE YOUR SUPPORT, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO DO THAT? I KNOW BUDGETING IS HARD BUDGETING RIGHT NOW IS ESPECIALLY HARD.
MY CERTAINLY IMPACTED MY COMPANIES, BUT IF WE DON'T INVEST PROPERLY, HOW ARE WE EVER GOING TO GET OURSELVES OUT OF THAT HOLE? THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR SERVICE.
MY NAME IS BETH WHITNEY AND I AM A RESIDENT OF ORANGE COUNTY.
I'M ALSO THE MOM OF A SECOND GRADER AT HELDA J BARBARA ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
AND I AM ON MY 16TH YEAR OF TEACHING HERE IN WARREN COUNTY.
I TAT EIGHT YEARS AT WARREN COUNTY MIDDLE SCHOOL AND ASTEROIDS ELEMENTARY SCHOOL SIMULTANEOUSLY.
AND THIS IS MY EIGHTH YEAR OF TEACHING AT WARREN COUNTY HIGH SCHOOL.
I ALSO AM BORN AND RAISED HERE IN FRONT ROYAL.
I WENT TO WARREN COUNTY SCHOOLS AND I GRADUATED FROM WARREN COUNTY HIGH SCHOOL IN 2003.
AND I DECIDED AFTER I CAME BACK FROM COLLEGE TO COME HOME AND SERVE MY COMMUNITY, I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT.
I BELIEVE THAT WE DESERVE TO BE FULLY FUNDED THOSE THINGS ON THAT LIST.
I KNOW IT MIGHT BE EASY TO SAY, OH, THESE ARE EXTRAS, BUT THOSE ARE NOT EXTRAS.
I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 16 YEARS AND I CAN
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TELL YOU HOW DESPERATELY NEEDED.MOST OF THOSE THINGS THAT I AT LEAST HAVE PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH ARE DESPERATELY NEEDED.
UM, MY STUDENT, MY SON, AGAIN, IS A SECOND GRADER, AND I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS DO NOT ALL HAVE THEIR OWN ART TEACHER.
UM, SOME OF THE ART TEACHERS ARE SPLIT BETWEEN TWO DIFFERENT ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS.
I MYSELF WAS SPLIT BETWEEN TWO SCHOOLS FOR EIGHT YEARS AND LEFT THAT POSITION BECAUSE IT IS TRULY MISERABLE TO BE SPLIT AND DO THAT.
BUT IT ALSO DOES NOT SERVE THE STUDENTS.
IT DOES NOT GIVE THEM THE ACCESS TO THE ART THAT THEY NEED.
AND THE SAME WITH THE LIBRARY ASSISTANTS AND THE SAME WITH THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE TEACHER.
I HAD STUDENTS IN MY CLASSROOM WHO SPOKE, NOT A WORD OF ENGLISH.
AND I WAS TRYING TO GET BY WITH THE HIGH SCHOOL AND COLLEGE SPANISH I HAD BECAUSE THERE WASN'T SOMEONE TO HELP THEM.
THERE WASN'T AN ESL TEACHER THERE, UM, BECAUSE THEY WERE HAVING TO GO AROUND TO ALL OF THE SCHOOLS.
THE STIPENDS FOR THE CLASS SPONSORS.
I SEE MY COLLEAGUES WORK THEIR TAILS OFF FOR FREE EVERY YEAR.
THEY DO NOT GET PAID TO DO THAT.
AND THEY DESERVE TO BE PAID FOR ALL OF THE HARD WORK THAT THEY PUT IN TO MAKE GRADUATION HAPPENED TO MAKE PROM HAPPEN, TO DO THE FUNDRAISERS.
WE ALREADY DO THAT AS TEACHERS.
WE ALREADY TAKE OUR WORK HOME ALL THE TIME, BUT FOR THEM TO NOT BE PAID FOR THAT WORK IS JUST REPREHENSIBLE.
ANYONE ELSE? SECOND CALL, GO AHEAD, BOB.
BOB HILL, UM, KENDRA FORD ROAD.
MOST OF YOU KNOW ME, UM, I'M ON THE ELECTION BOARD AND SO FREQUENTLY YOU'VE SEEN MY FACE AND YOU KNOW, THE FREQUENCY IN WHICH I PROBABLY HAVE TOLD YOU HOW I SELECT CANDIDATES, PEOPLE FOR RUNNING FOR OFFICE.
IT'S GENERALLY ASKING THEM WHETHER THEY'VE EVER HEARD THE RIDDLE OF THE SPHINX AND I'LL ASK THEM AND I'LL SAY TO THEM, HAVE YOU HEARD THE RELIGIOUS FINKS? AND THEY'LL SAY EITHER YES OR NO.
AND THEN I'LL SAY, WELL, LET ME TELL YOU THE STORY.
ESSENTIALLY, THE RIDDLE IS WHAT WALKED US ON FOUR LEGS IN THE MORNING, TWO BY DAY AND THREE BY NIGHT.
AND THAT QUESTION CAN BE ANSWERED IT'S MAN, BUT THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE THAT GO, DON'T SEE THAT ANSWER.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE THEY'VE HAD LIMITED EDUCATION IN ORDER TO FULLY BE INTELLIGENT, MAKE WISE DECISIONS.
YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SEE WITHIN THE BOX AND OUTSIDE OF THE BOX, PAY TEACHERS FUND THE COMMUNITY, MAKE GOOD DECISIONS, GOOD DECISION ARE FULLY PAY EDUCATORS BECAUSE THEY EDUCATE THE COMMUNITY ON MULTIPLE LEVELS.
THIS IS LAST CALL CAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN MANY MORE HANDS.
SO ANYONE WANT TO SPEAK, THIS IS YOUR LAST CALL.
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REPORTS BOARD MEMBERS, MR. BUTLER, THE, UH, LET HIM SHARE.I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT, UH, UH, MS. COOK AND I HAVE MADE SOME CONSIDERABLE, UM, HEADWAY OVER AT, UH, AT THE AIRPORT.
AND, UM, I THINK THAT MS. COOK WILL PROBABLY HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, MORE TO SAY ON THIS, BUT I'M VERY, VERY PLEASED WITH THE, UH, UH, THE WAY THAT THINGS ARE GOING.
THIS HAS GOT, UH, YEAH, WELL, IT'S BEEN PRETTY FULL COUPLE OF WEEKS FOR ME SPEAKING FOR MYSELF ANYWAY.
SO, UH, QUICKLY, UH, WE, I ATTENDED THE WARREN COUNTY, UM, FINANCE AUDIT COMMITTEE, SUB COMMITTEE MEETING, WHICH IS A NEW, UH, COMMITTEE THAT WE STARTED MAYBE ABOUT A MONTH, MONTH AND A HALF AGO.
AND WE'RE FO OUR FOCUS IS TO REVISE THE CURRENT FISCAL POLICY AND PROCEDURE, UH, FOR WARREN COUNTY.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF, A LOT OF GOOD PEOPLE IN THAT COMMITTEE AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THEIR, THEIR SERVICE.
UM, OF COURSE WE, UH, ATTENDED THE SCHOOL BOARD BOARD OF SUPERVISOR, UM, FINANCIAL SUBCOMMITTEE AND DISCUSSING ABOUT ALL ABOUT THE BUDGETS AND, UM, JUST TO PIGGYBACK MR. UH, BUTLER THAT WE, UH, THE AIRPORT COMMITTEE HAS, UM,
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EXCUSE ME, THE AIRPORT COMMISSION HAS ESTABLISHED AN AIRPORT EVENTS SUBCOMMITTEE.SO WE'RE STARTING TO LOOK AT THE AIRPORT AND START AND WANT TO PROMOTE ALL THE ACTIVITIES THAT ARE GOING ON AT THE AIRPORT.
SO, UM, STAY TUNED FOR, YOU KNOW, THINGS TO COME.
UM, I ALSO WANT TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY, UM, TO THANK ALL OF THE WARREN COUNTY DEPARTMENTS WHO HAVE SUPPORTED ME IN THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, YOU KNOW, FROM REPLACING THAT VANDALIZED SIGNAGE MEETING WITH MY CONSTITUENTS, PREPARING COUNTY REPORTS FOR ALL THE COMMITTEES THAT WE HAVE GOING ON, MAINTAINING OUR AIRPORT MAINTENANCE, UM, FACILITIES, KEEPING US CONNECTED WITH ALL THE TECHNOLOGY WE HAVE GOING ON AND TO, UH, OUR CUSTOMER SERVICE THAT IT'S BEING PROVIDED OVER AT, YOU KNOW, THREE 40 TRASH CONVENIENCE HAS BEEN CAME AND SAID, HEY, HUN, SOMETHING, SOMETHING IS HAPPENING OVER THERE.
IT WAS REALLY, I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.
SO I JUST WANT TO TAKE THIS TIME TO THANK EVERYBODY IN THE COUNTY, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL YOUR PROFESSIONALISM AND ALL YOUR KNOWLEDGE THAT YOU BRING TO THE TABLE.
AND, UM, I JUST FELT THAT I JUST NEEDED TO GIVE A BIG SHOUT OUT TO EVERYONE.
THANK YOU, MR. MABE, MADAM CHAIR.
I HAVE NO REPORT OTHER THAN TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE PUBLIC.
THIS IS, UH, I HAVE NO REPORT.
NO, THE ONLY REPORT I HAVE IS TO ECHO, ESPECIALLY WHAT MRS. COOK SAID, BECAUSE THAT WAS ON MY MIND.
I TALKED ONE OF OUR, UM, EMPLOYEES YESTERDAY AND THEY SAID FOR THE FIRST TIME, IN A LONG TIME, THEY'VE BEEN EMPLOYED HERE FOR 30 PLUS YEARS.
THEY HAD BEEN GIVEN, UM, A COMPLIMENT ON THEIR WORK.
AND, UM, SO I WANT TO GIVE MR. COLE FELT A SHOUT OUT THAT, UM, YOUR WORKERS APPRECIATE YOU ACKNOWLEDGING THEIR HARD WORK.
UM, AND THAT MEANT A LOT TO THEM.
AND THE REST OF OUR STAFF AS WELL.
THERE'S, UM, THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES ON AND ON.
AND WE WERE A LOT TO HANDLE UP HERE.
IF THE SCHOOLS THINK THAT WE'RE PAYING TO YOU, WE'RE PAYING TO OUR SIDE AS WELL.
WE'RE EQUAL OPPORTUNITY ON THAT.
UM, AND I'M GOING TO DEFER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS TO DR.
DALEY, BECAUSE I'M GOING TO TELL YOU THE NUMBERS THAT HAVE GONE AROUND AS FAR AS THIS BUDGET, WOULD I, MS. FLORA, YOU'RE A MATH TEACHER.
I THINK YOU WOULD EVEN SHAKE YOUR HEAD ON IT.
BUT I DO WANT TO CLEAR UP SOME THINGS THAT THIS BOARD NEVER EVER WAS GOING TO TAKE AWAY YOUR SALARIES.
THAT WAS NEVER AN OPTION FOR US, NEVER CONSIDERATION.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT GOT STARTED.
AND QUITE FRANKLY, I'M TIRED OF HEARING ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT IS JUST NOT TRUTH.
WE ALL, I WENT TO WARREN COUNTY SCHOOLS, MY CHILDREN WENT TO WARREN COUNTY SCHOOLS.
MY GRANDCHILDREN ARE GOING TO WARREN COUNTY SCHOOLS.
I WORKED FOR WARREN COUNTY SCHOOLS.
THERE'S NO WAY THAT I WOULD HAVE EVER DONE THAT TO YOU.
AND, UM, AS FAR AS SPORTS ACTIVITIES, I WORK, I SET AT THE JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL PRACTICES EVERY DAY AFTER SCHOOL, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE SOMEONE.
JENNY KNOWS THAT BECAUSE I WAS A PAIN TO HER AND THE OTHER GIRLS THAT WERE THERE, KEEPING THEM STRAIGHT.
THEY, I WAS APPRECIATED BY SOME AND PAIN IN THE NECK, OTHERS CAUSE, UM, I THAT'S JUST ME, BUT SO I, I DO RECOGNIZE, AND I, YOU KNOW, THE RESOLUTION SAYS WHAT IT DOES AND THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS THAT IT DOES, HOW THAT MILLION DOLLAR, UH, PLUS FOR EXTRACURRICULAR EVENTS AND ATHLETICS, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE SCHOOL IS PLANNING TO DIVVY THAT OUT.
A LOT OF THINGS OF BINGE BUSH DECIDE BUSES WERE ONE OF THEM.
AND THAT'S WHY WE CATEGORIZED TRYING TO NIP THAT IN THE BUD SO THAT WHEN WE PUT MONEY IN A CATEGORY, IT STAYS THERE AND IT CAN'T BE POOLED.
ROB PETER TO PAY PAUL, WE ARE NOT DOING THIS TO HARM THE SCHOOLS.
WE'RE DOING THIS TO HELP KEEP THE MONEY WHERE WE, WE PUT IT ONCE WE GIVE IT, WE HAVE NO SAY OVER IT.
THEY CAN DO WITH IT, WHAT THEY WANT.
SO I CAN'T TELL YOU WHERE ALL THAT 5.7, I CAN JUST TELL YOU THAT THOSE WERE THE CATEGORIES WE PUT IT IN.
AND THAT IS, WE HOPE THAT IT DOES WHAT IT NEEDS TO DO.
WE WERE NEVER GOING TO TAKE MONEY AWAY.
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WERE GOING TO PUT IT FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS BECAUSE YOU'RE GETTING MONEY THAT YOU MAY NEVER GET AGAIN.SO YOU CAN'T USE IT FOR SHORT TERM BECAUSE THE SHORT TERM YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO SUSTAIN IT.
YEAR AFTER YEAR, YOU'VE GOT LMK, YOU'VE GOT EQUAL, SOME MORRISON, UM, YOU KNOW, PRIORITIES.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET IT IN LINE.
I'M LOOKING AT $89,000 BEING USED TO RETROFIT BATHROOMS THAT YOU WANT.
MY OPINION BATHROOMS SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN THE PRIORITY.
HE WILSON MORRISON'S PLAYGROUND TO MAKE THAT A SAFE CHILDPROOF PLAYGROUND SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE PRIORITY THERE THAT WOULD HAVE COST 27,000.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BE PUNITIVE.
WE'RE TRYING TO USE THE DOLLARS TO THE BEST ADVANTAGE WE CAN.
AND AS FAR AS THE OTHER QUESTION, LIKE I SAID, I'LL DEFER IF DR.
DALEY WANTS TO, TO WRITE THAT.
BUT, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S I JUST HAVE TO GET THAT OFF MY CHEST BECAUSE I'M GOING TO CONTINUE TO ASK THE TOUGH QUESTIONS.
UM, IT'S MY JOB PEOPLE DON'T, YOU KNOW, I, I'M NOT TRYING TO DO IT TO BE MEAN OR TO CALL PEOPLE OUT.
HOW DO YOU LEARN? IF YOU DON'T ASK QUESTIONS, IF I'M JUST SUPPOSED TO SIT IN A CHAIR AND BELIEVE EVERYTHING THAT'S TOLD TO ME, I'M NOT GETTING MUCH OF AN EDUCATION THERE.
YOU HAVE TO ASK AND YOU HAVE TO EXPLORE AND YOU HAVE TO RESEARCH.
I'M SURE YOU GIVE ALL YOUR STUDENTS RESEARCH.
YOU WANT, YOU WANT, YOU KNOW, HERE'S YOUR PROJECT.
DO THE RESEARCH, GIVE ME THE, AND THEY HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTIONS TO GET THERE.
SO I KNOW YOU HAVEN'T APPRECIATED ALL THE QUESTIONS, BUT THE PEOPLE THAT ELECTED ME TO BE HERE EXPECT ME TO ASK THE QUESTIONS.
DALEY, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU.
MA'AM UM, NUMBER ONE, UH, FIRST QUESTION I BELIEVE WAS IS THIS, IS THIS NEW MONEY, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THAT QUESTION, THIS IS MONEY THAT THE BOARD WAS GOING TO USE TO FUND SCHOOLS AND THEY PUT IT IN THE RESERVE AND THEN THEY MOVED IT NOW FROM NON DEPARTMENTAL INTO THE SCHOOL BUDGET.
IT IS NEW IT, ADDITIONAL DOLLARS IS WHAT IT IS.
AND IN ADDITION TO THE 5.7 MILLION, IT RELEASES A MILLION AND A HALF OF STATE DOLLARS.
SO THE TOTAL INCREASE THERE IS ABOUT 7.1 MA'AM APPROXIMATELY.
UM, SECOND WAS, IS THE COUNTY FUNDING AT THE SAME LEVEL AS LAST YEAR? NO, MA'AM WE ADDED $2 MILLION FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS.
WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL 1 MILLION THAT'S GOING TO BE ADDED WHEN WE DO THE SURPLUS TRANSFER.
SO WE WILL BE ADDING 3.2 MILLION OF NEW MONEY INTO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, CAPITAL PROJECTS.
SO I THINK THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT I HEARD I BELIEVE.
SO, DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? THANK YOU.
SO I'M GOING BACK TO THE QUESTIONS ABOUT AGREEMENTS WITH P O S F I'M GOING TO DEFER TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.
I BELIEVE HE HAS ISSUED AN OPINION ON WHETHER P O S F IS A POA.
AND THE CASE ON POINT IS THE MATLOCK VERSUS P O S F.
AND THAT CASE IS STILL GOOD LAW.
I READ THE INFORMATION FROM, UH, Y'ALL'S ATTORNEY.
I HAD PULLED UP A MOMENT AGO THAT, BUT I THINK SOME SORT OF LOST IT AT THIS POINT.
AND BASICALLY, UM, THE CRUX OF IT IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT MAKES YOU A PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION IS THOUGH, IS THERE A DOCUMENT THAT REQUIRES EVERYONE THAT BUYS PROPERTY TO BE A MEMBER OF THE ASSOCIATION? AND SO IT WOULD TYPICALLY BE A, A DOCUMENT THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST DEED, AND THEN THE OTHER DEEDS THAT WENT OUT FROM THAT WOULD ALL SAY THAT EVERYBODY IS THAT.
SO THAT, THAT EXACT ISSUE WAS ANALYZED BY JUDGE WETSEL IN THE MATLAB CASE.
AND JUDGE WETSEL DISCOVERED THAT IN ABOUT 80% OF THE DEEDS, THERE WAS A RE A, A ABILITY TO COLLECT THE, UH, APPROXIMATELY 50 BUCKS FROM VARIOUS PEOPLE, BUT THAT IT WASN'T AN A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THEM.
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THAT THEREFORE IT DID NOT ADMIT THAT MEET THE DEFINITION OF A PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION.SO I READ THE MEMORANDUM AND THE MEMORANDUM BASICALLY ARGUES THAT JUDGE WETZELS OPINION IS INCORRECT AND TAKES THE POSITION THAT NO, THAT THE DOCUMENT DOES REQUIRE THAT ALL HOMEOWNERS ARE IN FACT MEMBERS OF THE ASSOCIATION, UM, CITING THIS $50 THING.
WELL, THAT BASICALLY THE DOCUMENT THAT THEY SIGNED TO THAT ONE OF THE DEEDS SIMPLY, IT DOESN'T SAY THAT.
SO I CALLED THIS ATTORNEY TO FIND OUT, MAYBE SHE'S GOT SOME DIFFERENT DOCUMENT AND SHE'S NEVER RETURNED MY CALL TO THIS DAY.
SO MATT LACK IS, IS THE CASE ON POINT, IT HASN'T BEEN APPEAL.
IT HASN'T BEEN CHANGED, THE LEGAL MEMORANDUM THAT Y'ALL PROVIDED.
AND THEN I'VE, I'VE READ MULTIPLE TIMES, DOESN'T TAKE THIS POSITION.
UH, IT DOESN'T TAKE THE POSITION THAT THE LAW CHANGED, AND THAT'S THE ONLY SITUATION IN WHICH Y'ALL COULD NOW BE A PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION, BUT IT DOESN'T TAKE THAT POSITION.
WELL, I WENT AND LOOKED AT IT ANYWAY, AND BASICALLY THE DEFINITION OF, UM, THAT WAS LOOKED AT BY JUDGE WETSEL, IT'S BEEN RE RECODIFIED, BUT IT IS VERBATIM EXACTLY THE SAME DEFINITION.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT A WORD DIFFERENT IN IT AT ALL.
SO, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE WAS A MENTION THAT WHILE YOU'RE NOW REGISTERED WITH THE STATE, WELL, I GOT A COPY FROM THE STATE AND IT CLEARLY, IT DEFINITELY SAYS THAT THEY DON'T EVALUATE DOCUMENTS TO DETERMINE WHO IS AND WHO ISN'T A PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION.
THEY JUST ACCEPT STUFF AND GIVE YOU THIS CERTIFICATE, BUT THEY DON'T EVALUATE WHETHER OR NOT YOU ARE IN FACT, A PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION, UM, THAT WAS EVALUATED BY JUDGE WETSEL.
AND IT'S REST JUDICATA IT'S BEEN DECIDED.
AND POS F INC WAS A PARTY TO THAT CASE.
AND AGAIN, THE ONLY THING THAT COULD POTENTIALLY CHANGE WOULD BE IF THE LAW CHANGED WITH THE LAWS.
UH, AND SO AGAIN, THE, THAT, ALL OF THAT MEMORANDA WAS AN ARGUMENT THAT, WELL, THE JUDGE GOT IT WRONG.
I DON'T THINK IT IS TRUE, BUT EVEN IF IT IS TRUE, THAT'S, THAT'S THE CASE.
SO NOW THAT THAT'S THE ANSWER TO THAT, I'VE LOOKED AT IT TWICE.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY ALL YOU NEED ME TO TELL YOU.
THE OTHER QUESTION WAS WHY WOULD THE COUNTY, IN THIS CASE ME SEND A NOTICE TO P O S F THAT THEY NEEDED TO RETURN THE SURPLUS FUNDS BECAUSE THE AGREEMENT P O S F CREATED WITH A PRIOR ACCOUNT BOARD THAT SAID THAT THE, UH, WHEN THE AGREEMENT WAS TERMINATED, THAT FUNDS WOULD BE RETURNED TO THE SANITARY DISTRICT.
SO NOW THAT POS F HAS TERMINATED THE AGREEMENT AT THEIR INITIATION, WE NEED TO CLAIRE, WE NEED TO CLEAR THE BOOKS AND RETURN THAT MONEY TO THE SANITARY DISTRICT.
UH, SPEAKING REGARDING OLD OAK FOUR AND OLD OH FIVE, UH, YOU WERE GIVEN SOME INFORMATION BY YOUR ADVISORY BOARD LAST WEEK TO LOOK AT, TO THINK ABOUT.
AND IT WAS POINTED OUT THAT THERE WERE ONLY EIGHT HOMES ON THE ROW.
UH, WE'VE SINCE KNOWN SINCE MR. BARRY AND MR. KOHLFELD AND THE OTHERS ALL KNOW A WHOLE LOT MORE ABOUT THIS THAN I DO THAT.
THERE'S A LARGE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS OF SHENANDOAH FARMS WHO USE OLD OAK ON THEIR WAY TO WORK EVERY DAY, THAT THAT IS THERE, EAT GRASS AND INGRESS.
SO WE'RE GOING TO DO SOME TRAFFIC COUNTS SINCE WE'VE GOT A MONTH UNTIL, UM, WE GET OUR ESTIMATES SO THAT THE BOARD HAS A CLOSER NUMBERS TO LOOK AT AS TO WHAT THIS IS ACTUALLY GOING TO COST.
WE'RE GOING TO DO TRY AND GET SOME TRAFFIC COUNTS OUT THERE IN TERMS. SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE LATEST NUMBERS ARE.
UM, WE HAD A MEETING CHANGING THE SUBJECT TO THE DRUG COURT.
WE HAD OUR ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING THIS PAST MONDAY.
WE HAVE NOW COMPLETED OUR POLICY GUIDE, AND NOW WE HAVE TO DO A PARTICIPANT HANDBOOK, AND WE WILL START ON THAT HANDBOOK AT, UH, FIVE O'CLOCK ON SEPTEMBER 12TH IN THE CAUCUS ROOM.
AND ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO COME IS MORE THAN WELCOME TO HELP WITH THE PARTICIPANT HANDBOOK, UH, WANT TO REACH OUT WITH THAT.
UH, MR. TIM COYNE, WHO IS, YOU KNOW, IS LEAVING HIS POSITION AS PUBLIC DEFENDER
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AND THE REGION.AND HE'S BEEN JUST A TREMENDOUS HELP TO US IN GETTING THIS ESTABLISHED AND GOING AND WORKING WITH VALLEY HEALTH AND THE COALITION.
WE WANT TO WISH HIM THE BEST IN HIS NEW POSITION AND THANK HIM FOR ALL HIS HELP.
UH, BROADBAND, UH, BROADBAND, UH, IS MOVING ALONG.
THE CONTRACTS HAVE BEEN SIGNED, AND THEY'RE DOING ENGINEERING AT THE BEGINNING OF YOUR MEETING ON SEPTEMBER THE SIXTH, WE WILL HAVE MR. BRANDON DAVIS FROM THE REGIONAL COMMISSION WILL BE ON THE SCREEN TO BE ABLE TO UPDATE YOU ON THE PROCESS.
THE NET RESULT IS THERE WAS A DELAY IN WHEN THE ADMINISTRATION CHANGED AND WHEN THEY APPROVED THE CONTRACT.
SO THE CONTRACTS ARE NOW APPROVED AND THEY'RE DOING THE ENGINEERING.
THEY PROBABLY WILL GET LIMITED WORK IF AT ALL IN THIS WINTER.
SO THEY'LL PROBABLY BE GOING FULL STEAM IN THE SPRING IS WHEN YOU'RE REALLY GONNA START TO SEE SOME ACTION THERE.
AND, UM, WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 10TH IS OUR ANNUAL HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE AND RESIDENTIAL CLEANUP DAYS.
AND YOU CAN BRING YOUR HAZARDOUS WASTE DOWN TO THE GOVERNMENT CENTER, PARKING LOT WHERE MR. BARRY AND MR. KOHLFELD WILL BE VERY HAPPY TO RECEIVE IT.
AND YOU CAN TAKE YOUR BULK ITEMS SUCH AS FURNITURE AND SO FORTH TO THE PARK AND RIDE OUT A DISMAL HOLLOW OR TO THE TRANS PER STATION IN SHANGRI-LA OR, UM, THE SHENANDOAH FARMS, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT, ANY OF THE THREE, UH, THE BOARD HAS INDICATED THAT IT'S TIME TO, UH, RE UH, VISION OURSELVES AND THINK ABOUT WHAT OUR PLANS ARE FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS.
AND WE WOULD LIKE SOME DATES WHEN YOU WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR A COUPLE OF EVENINGS.
UH, UH, WE CAN GET MRS. TAYLOR, AND THIS IS GRUMBLING AGAIN.
AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE SOMEONE ELSE, WE CAN DO THAT, BUT WE'D LIKE TO GET THIS GOING IN THIS NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS.
SO IF YOU WOULD SEND US SOME DATES, PLEASE, AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MAN, MR. HAM.
UM, I HADN'T TOLD YOU, I HADN'T TOLD YOU IN CLOSED SESSION ABOUT A CASE WHERE THE COUNTY HAD BEEN SUED BY A NICHOLAS CHEYLYNNE AND A ONE TEAM FLIGHT LLC.
UM, AND THE COUNTY HAD INSURANCE.
AND SO THERE WAS AN INSURANCE DEFENSE LAWYER, MARTIN SCHUBERT, AND HE HAS WON THE CASE ON A VERY EARLY STAGE, AND THERE'S NO APPEAL.
[E. Appropriations and Transfers]
APPROPRIATIONS AND TRANSFERS, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION ON THOSE HEARING? NONE.IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT AS PRESENTED? SO THE SECOND ROLL CALL, MRS. SHIRAKI MR. MABE, MRS. COOK.
I MADAM CHAIR, I MRS. OATES, MR. BUTLER
[F. Approval of Accounts]
APPROVAL OF ACCOUNTS, ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION ON THOSE HEARING? NONE.IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT AS PRESENTED? SO MOVEMENT AND CHAIR ROW A SECOND.
SECOND ROLL CALL, MRS. ROCKING.
I MRS. COOK I MR. MABE, RIGHT? OKAY.
[G. Approval of Minutes – Regular Meeting of August 2, 2022]
APPROVAL OF MINUTES, REGULAR MEETING OF AUGUST 2ND, 2022.ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS, ADDITIONS, DELETIONS HEARING THEN? IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED? SO MOVED SECOND, SECOND.
ROLL CALL, MRS. SHIRAKI MR. MABE, MRS. COOK.
[H. Request for Conditional Use Permit 2022-05-08, Self-Realization Fellowship Church for a Church – Matt Wendling]
OKAY.UNFINISHED BUSINESS REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 2022 DASH FIVE DASH OH EIGHT.
UH, SELF-REALIZATION FELLOWSHIP CHURCH FOR A CHURCH MR. WIND LANE.
UH, THE APPLICANTS SELF-REALIZATION FELLOWSHIP CHURCH HAS BEEN HOLDING SCHEDULED WORSHIP SERVICES FOR THEIR SMALL LOCAL CONGREGATION HERE AT THIS SITE SINCE THE NIGHT EARLY 1980S.
UH, THEY DO CURRENTLY MEET IN A SMALL CHAPEL, UH, THAT IS CURRENTLY LOCATED IN THE MAIN RESIDENCE
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OF THE PROPERTY, UH, SERVES HOME AS THE HOME FOR THE WORSHIP LEADER AND, UH, HER TWO S TWO ASSISTANCE, UH, AVERAGE ATTENDANCE FOR WEEKDAY EVENING SERVICES ARE BETWEEN 12 AND 18.AND YOUR SUNDAY MORNING SERVICES MAY HAVE UP TO 51 AVERAGE AND A 30 TO 50 FOR SPECIAL FELLOWSHIP EVENTS.
ONE THAT ARE HELD ON SATURDAY, THEIR BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH ARE REQUESTING, UH, TO BUILD A NEW FACILITY ON THE GROUND SO THAT THE RESIDENTS AND THE MAIN DWELLING CAN PRESERVE THEIR PRIVACY.
AND FOR HEALTH CONCERNS THAT CAME ABOUT DURING THE CURRENT COVID 19 PANDEMIC, THE CHURCH DOES NOT INTEND TO INCREASE IN SIZE WITH THE NEW BUILDING, AND IT WILL BE BUILT TO ACCOMMODATE ITS CURRENT CONGREGATION.
AND WE'LL ALSO INCLUDE SOME HANDICAPPED, UH, AND SENIOR CITIZEN ACCESSIBLE FACILITIES AND PARKING, UH, BILOTT IS 5.212 ACRES, UH, LOCATED WITHIN A 527 ACRE PARCEL THAT THE CHURCH ALSO OWNS, UM, AND IS PRIMARILY UNDEVELOPED WOODLANDS.
UM, THE CURRENT USE OF THE CHURCH CHAP WAS A NON-CONFORMING USE SINCE IT WAS ESTABLISHED, UH, UH, AT THE TIME THE PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED IN 1983 AND HAS CONTINUED SINCE THAT TIME.
WE DETERMINED THAT BASED ON THE REVISIONS FOR THE ZONING ORDINANCE IN 92, UM, THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A CHAPEL FOR WORSHIP SERVICES IS AN EXPANSION OF NOT A CONFORMING USE AND THUS REQUIRES THE CONDITION WE'LL USE, UH, IN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT, UH, CURRENT, UH, COUNTY PLANNING.
WE'VE NEVER RECEIVED ANY COMPLAINTS REGARDING THE PROPERTY OR, UM, THE USE AS A FOR CHURCH SERVICES.
UM, WE HAVE HAD
THEY PROVIDED THEIR COMMENTS TO US.
I'LL JUST READ A PORTION OF THEIR COMMENTS.
UM, AND I HAVE MADE THE, THE, UH, THE APPLICANT HA UH, AND PROJECT MANAGER OF THE PROJECT HAS BEEN MADE AWARE OF THESE, UH, AN ENTRANCE WILL NEED TO BE INSTALLED UNDER PERMIT THAT WILL MEET THE, THAT MINIMUM COMMERCIAL STANDARDS.
THE DESIGN FOR THE ENTRANCE SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THAT WITH A SITE PLAN TO BE SUBMITTED TO THIS OFFICE FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO ANY CONSTRUCTION AND OCCUPANCY OF THE SITE, UM, THAT IN A, IN A FEW OTHER COMMENTS WERE MADE, UM, WE DID RECEIVE, EXCUSE ME, UH, AN EMAIL FROM THE ARCHITECTS OF THE CHAPEL, AND THEY HAVE, UH, GIVEN US THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE IS 4,576 SQUARE FEET.
MY APOLOGIES, I INCLUDED AN OLD EMAIL FROM 2015 WHEN THEY WERE, UH, THINKING ABOUT BUILDING A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT TEMPLE.
UH, SO THIS IS DOWNSIZED QUITE A BIT FROM THAT.
UM, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, WHICH WERE PASSED ON THROUGH THE, UH, FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION UNANIMOUSLY.
AND I'VE ADDED AN ADDITIONAL CONDITION IF THE BOARD SO CHOOSES TO, UH, ADD THAT.
NUMBER ONE, THE CHAP WALK HAD BEEN C SHALL NOT EXCEED THE NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS TO BE DETERMINED BY THE VIRGINIA UNIFORM STATEWIDE BUILDING CODE AND VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH APPROVAL FOR AN APPROVED ON SITE SEWAGE SYSTEM.
NUMBER TWO, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS, VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.
THESE INCLUDE BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR SMOKE AND FIRE DETECTOR SYSTEM, AND A CHANGE OF USE AND OCCUPANCY TO THE AUTHORIZED USE GROUP.
AND NUMBER THREE, THE APPLICANT SHALL MEET THE REQUIRED CODE SECTIONS OF 180 15 FOR OFF STREET PARKING FOR A CHURCH, WHICH REQUIRES ONE PARKING SPACE PER FOUR FIXED SEATS, AND 180 49 DOT TWO FOR OUTDOOR LIGHTING.
A STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE ADDITIONAL CONDITION BASED ON V DOT'S COMMENTS.
NUMBER FOUR WOULD BE THE APPLICANT SHALL MEET ALL PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS AND COMPLETE THE NECESSARY ENTRANCE IMPROVEMENTS AS IDENTIFIED RECOMMENDED BY V DOT PRIOR TO RECEIVING A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR THE STRUCTURE FROM THE BUILDING OFFICIAL, UH, THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED, BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
WE HAD THIS AS A PUBLIC HEARING, AND WE MOVED IT FORWARD SO THAT WE COULD GET THE V DOT INFORMATION.
UM, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME FOR MR. WYNLAN? OKAY.
IS THERE A MOTION ON THIS AT THIS TIME? SO I HAVE A QUESTION, JASON, IF THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING THAT WE MOVED FORWARD, DID WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING OR IS IT STILL OPEN? WE CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING
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LAST TIME.I MEAN, IF YOU, IF YOU HAD A REQUIREMENT OF PUBLIC HEARING YEAH.
AND I, AND, AND I DON'T THINK EMILY WOULD TELL US YES.
SO IF YOU CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING THEN YEAH.
I MEAN, YOU, YOU CAN HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
AND THEN AT THE END OF THAT, DECIDE TO DECIDED LATER OR NOT HAVE TO HAVE A SECOND PUBLIC HEARING.
IF THAT'S THE QUESTION, THAT'S THE QUESTION.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER THE PROTOCOL WAS THAT WE HAD FOLLOWED IT, BECAUSE I COULDN'T REMEMBER IF WE CLOSED IT OR NOT.
WELL, AND I DOUBLE CHECK WITH DR.
DALE BECAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE SURE AS WELL, I DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING THE WRONG WAY.
SO, UM, NOW THAT WE'VE GOT THAT CLEARED UP AND THERE'S NO QUESTION, WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD ON THIS.
I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAS APPROVED THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUESTS BY SELF-REALIZATION FELLOWSHIP CHURCH FOR A CHURCH, WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND ROLL CALL, MRS. SHIRAKI MR. BUTLER, MRS. OATES.
[I. Authorization to Advertise for Public Hearing – Conditional Use Permit 2022-06-09, Cole and Danielle Haase for a Commercial Outdoor Recreation Operation – Matt Wendling]
SECOND ITEM UNDER UNFINISHED BUSINESS IS AUTHORIZATION TO ADVERTISE FOR PUBLIC HEARING, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST OF COLE AND DANIEL HOUSE FOR COMMERCIAL OUTDOOR RECREATION OPERATION.YES, THE APPLICANTS ARE REQUESTING THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THE COMMERCIAL OUTDOOR RECREATION OPERATION, WHICH WOULD CONSIST OF A SOFTBALL, BASEBALL, SOCCER TRAINING FACILITY.
UH, THE APPLICANTS HAVE RESUBMITTED THEIR STATEMENT OF JUSTIFICATION REVISED, UH, REVISING THEIR INITIAL PLANS FOR A SMALLER FACILITY THAN ORIGINALLY REQUESTED.
THEY PLAN TO HAVE A BY APPOINTMENT AND PRE-REGISTRATION OPERATION FOR INDIVIDUAL INDIVIDUALS OR TEAMS TO USE THE FACILITY.
AND THEY ARE LIMITING THE BUSINESS TO NEW MORE THAN 20 VEHICLES AT ANY ONE TIME.
DURING THE HOURS OF OPERATION, THEIR HOURS OF OPERATION WOULD BE MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY FROM 3:30 PM TO 9:00 PM.
AND SATURDAYS FROM 9:00 AM TO 6:00 PM.
THIS PROPERTY DOES HAVE A HISTORY OF CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS IN 1889.
IT WAS ISSUED A PERMIT FOR A TEMPORARY MOBILE HOME, WHICH HAS SINCE BEEN REMOVED.
AND IN 93, THE CONSTRUCTION OF AN ADDITION TO THE EXISTING CHURCH, WHICH WAS A GRANDFATHERED, UH, CHURCH NON-CONFORMING CHURCH IN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT, BOTH, UH, THE CHURCH IS NO LONGER OPERATING AND DOES, UH, REMAIN ON SITE.
THE, THE, UH, ADDITION WOULD BE USED AS THE INDOOR, UH, FACILITY FOR, FOR THIS OPERATION.
UH, WE HAVE RECEIVED ALL COMMENTS FROM OUTSIDE AGENCIES.
THE APPLICANT WILL MEET WITH THE FIRE MARSHALL TO ADDRESS FOREIGN EMS REGULATIONS.
WE'LL MAKE SURE WE GET THOSE COMMENTS TO, UH, BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND, UH, THERE IS A TEXT AMENDMENT FOR THIS THAT IS, UH, ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT WEEK'S, UH, BOARD MEETING.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. WINDLEY HEARING NONE.
I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR SUPERVISORS, UH, RECONSIDERED, THE PRIOR MOTION MADE ON AUGUST 2ND, 2022 REGARDING SCHEDULING THE PUBLIC HEARING OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST BY COLIN DENELLE HAZE FOR THE COMMERCIAL OUTDOOR RECREATIONAL OPERATION, THE CUP REQUESTS, AND AUTHORIZE THE ADVERTISEMENT OF PUBLIC HEARING TO BE HELD ON TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 27TH, 2020 T 2022 FOR THE CUP REQUEST.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND ROLL CALL, MRS. SHIRAKI MR. MABE.
I MADAM CHAIR, I MRS. OATES, MR. BUTLER,
[J. Consent Agenda]
NEW BUSINESS CONSENT AGENDA.ARE THERE ANY ITEMS TO PULL FOR DISCUSSION? I WOULD LIKE TO PULL NUMBER ONE FOR DISCUSSION.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH THE EXCEPTION OF NUMBER ONE? SO MOVED SECOND, SECOND.
ROLL CALL, MRS. SHIRAKI MR. BUTLER, MRS. OATES.
HI, NOT SURE HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS SINCE THERE'S NO ONE HERE TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD.
I DON'T THINK, OH, THERE HE IS.
[J1. Purchase Order Issuance Request of Warren County Public Schools for School Buses]
DR.BALLENGER ON THE PURCHASE ORDER REQUESTS FOR THE SCHOOL BUSES, IT SAYS SEVEN BUSES, TOTALING 900 AND, UM, $3,693.
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BUT THE PURCHASE ORDERS IN HERE DON'T MATCH THAT THE PURCHASE ORDER ON THE STANDARD BUSES IS SEVEN TOTALING, 892,563.AND THEN FOR THE SPECIAL ED BUS, 138,639, WHICH TOTALS $1,031,202.
UM, UM, BECAUSE WE ARE WAITING TO SEE WHAT, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THE REST OF THE FUNDING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THAT WE HAVE A PLAN, BUT, UM, WE'LL HAVE TO SEE HOW THAT WORKS OUT FOR THAT EIGHTH BUS.
SO RIGHT NOW, ALL WE'RE ASKING YOU TO DO IS TO PURCHASE, DO THE PURCHASE ORDER FOR THE SEVEN BUSES OUT OF THE, UH, TRANSPORTATION ON THE COUNTY SIDE.
IS THAT GOING TO BE A PROBLEM SINCE THE PURCHASE ORDER IS ALREADY? I MEAN, IT'S GOT SEVEN ON IT.
UM, I KNOW OUR BOARD APPROVED THAT.
UM, SO IF NEED BE, I CAN CHECK WITH ROB AND WE CAN, UH, GET WITH THE VENDOR TOMORROW.
BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE A MILLION DOLLARS SETTING IN THE BUS FUND AND THE DELTA IS $31,202.
MY CONCERN IS I'M PUTTING OFF THAT BUS TILL NEXT YEAR.
RIGHT NOW THAT BUS IS $127,509.
IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE MORE NEXT YEAR, MORE THAN WHAT THE $31,202 DELTA WOULD BE.
SO IS THERE ANY WAY I KNOW WE'VE GOT, YOU'VE GOT MONEY, LIKE THE BLUE RIDGE ROOF CAME UNDER WHAT, BUT MA'AM, UM, I DO WANT TO COMMENT ON THAT BECAUSE YOU KNOW, I'VE STOOD HERE AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, I HAVE STOOD HERE AND LISTEN, AND WE ARE REACTING TO HOW THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS SAYS, TALK TO US AS THE BOARD AND ME CONCERNING WHEN WE EARMARK THINGS FOR CERTAIN PROJECTS.
AND SO WHEN WE PUT FORTH THE, AS THE REQUEST FOR WE'RE PUTTING A MILLION INTO TRANSPORTATION, WE'RE PUTTING A MILLION AND FOR BLUE RIDGE TECH AND HE WILSON MORRISON FOR CONSTRUCTION.
I AM NOT WANTING TO TRANSFER FROM CIP CONSTRUCTION TO TRANSPORTATION.
WE ALSO HAVE A WILSON MORRISON THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT, AND I WANT TO BE SURE THAT WE START WITH THAT.
HE WILL SOME MORRISON PROJECT.
AND SO WE WILL LEAVE THE TRANSPORTATION FUND WITH THE TRANSPORTATION FUND.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE THE AUDIT WHERE THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 1.6 MILLION THAT WE'RE GOING TO REQUEST A MILLION, GO TO CAPITAL.
AND THE 600,000 GOES TO TRANSPORTATION, WHICH WOULD THEN PUT THAT AT JUST UNDER 700,000.
AND SO IF WE CAN GET THAT DONE, UM, HERE, WHENEVER WE CAN GET THAT DONE, WE COULD ACTUALLY PLACE A SECOND ORDER, UH, THIS YEAR FOR BUSES, UM, DEPENDING UPON HOW THAT GOES.
BUT AS FAR AS LEAVING THAT, IN THAT THOSE ACCOUNTS, I'M GOING TO LEAVE THOSE IN THAT, UH, LEAVE THOSE FUNDS IN THAT ACCOUNT.
I'M JUST LOOKING AT TRYING TO SAVE MONEY AGAINST NEXT YEAR, BUT HOW DO, HOW DO WE DO THIS? BECAUSE THE PURCHASE ORDER AMOUNTS DON'T MATCH THE MONEY AMOUNT.
I WILL HAVE THEM RE ISSUE ANOTHER PURCHASE ORDER.
ANY QUESTIONS BESIDES MINE FOR THIS? YEAH.
I JUST HAVE ONE JUST FOR CLARIFICATION.
SO THE SEVEN SCHOOL BUSES IS SIX OF THE REGULAR ONE SPED.
WHAT'S THE TOTAL? WE'RE APPROVING 900.
MY QUESTION HAS BEEN ANSWERED.
SO, UH, WHAT IS THE EMOTION OF THE BOARD? I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE PAYMENT AND THE APPROPRIATION OF $903,693 TO SONY MERRIMAN, INC FOR SEVEN SCHOOL BUSES.
AND THAT UPON DELIVERY SUCH BUSES BE TITLED TO THE WARREN COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD.
I FURTHER MOVED THAT THE BOARD AUTHORIZES THE CHAIR AND THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR EITHER OF WHO MAY ACT TO EXECUTE ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY OR THE ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY ON BEHALF OF THE COUNTY RURAL CALL MRS. SHIRAKI MR. MABE, MRS. COOK, MADAM CHAIR.
I MRS. OATES, MR. BUTLER, IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL NEW BUSINESS HEARING NOW? IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SECOND, SECOND.
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YOU EVERYONE FOR COMING.