[Call to Order]
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AND WELCOME TO, UH, THE AUGUST 23RD, 2022 BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, SPECIAL MEETING FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS.
UH, IF EVERYONE, PLEASE STAND, WE'LL START WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS HEARING? NONE.
IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT AS PRESENTED? SECOND, SECOND ROW COLUMN IS THE SHIRAKI MR. MABE, MADAM CHAIR.
I MRS. OATES, MR. BUTLER, PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, YOU'LL HAVE WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND IF YOU HAVE NOT SIGNED UP AND WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THE PUBLIC HEARING ARE SHEETS OVER HERE, YOU'LL STILL GIVE, GET AN OPPORTUNITY.
UH, IF YOU HAVEN'T SIGNED IN, BY THE TIME THEY WERE PICKED UP TO SPEAK YOU, WE DON'T ALLOW ANY, UM, BOOING, APPLAUDING OR ANY OF THAT.
I DON'T HAVE MY OFFICIAL PAPER IN FRONT OF ME, SO I'M WINGING IT HERE, BUT, UH, YEP.
YOU ALL COMMENTS WILL BE DIRECTED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND NOT TO THE AUDIENCE.
BE CONSIDERATE OF YOUR FELLOW SPEAKERS.
THERE SHOULD BE NO APPALLS BOOING OR OTHER AUDIBLE DISRUPTION TO THE PROCEEDINGS THROUGH A SHOW OF HANDS.
THE CHAIRMAN MAY ASK FOR A SHOW OF SUPPORT FOR COMMENTS MADE BY SPEAKERS, PLACARDS POSTERS, AND OTHER MEANS OF VISUAL DISPLAY OF COMMENTS WILL NOT BE PERMITTED IN THE BOARD MEETING ROOM, BUT THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE INFORMATION OR MATERIALS USE AS PART OF A FACTUAL PRESENTATION TO THE BOARD.
THE BOARD WILL NOT TOLERATE PERSONAL ATTACKS BY ANYONE ON ANY OF THE PARTICIPANTS IN THE PROCEEDINGS.
ANYONE WHO VIOLATES THE GUIDELINE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING MAY BE ASKED TO LEAVE.
[A. Ordinance to Add and Ordain Section 30-9 of the Warren County Code to Add a One-Time Incentive Pay for Advanced Level Providers with the Department of Fire and Rescue Services in FY 2021-2022 – Jane Meadows]
PUBLIC HEARING IS ORDINANCE TO ADD AN ORDAIN SECTION 30.9 OF THE WARREN COUNTY CODE TO ADD A ONE-TIME INCENTIVE PAY FOR ADVANCED LEVEL PROVIDERS WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF FIRE AND RESCUE SERVICES AND THE FYI 20 21 22 A YEAR.UM, THIS SORRY, ORDINANCE IS TO, UM, BASICALLY UPDATE SECTION 30 DASH NINE.
UM, AND IT IS A PAYMENT OF A ONE-TIME INCENTIVE PAY, UM, FOR FISCAL YEAR 21, 22.
UM, AND THIS IS A PAYMENT OF THE ONE-TIME INCENTIVE PAY, UM, FOR ADVANCED LEVEL PROVIDERS WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF FIRE AND RESCUE SERVICES FOR FISCAL YEAR 2122.
IT IS TO COMPENSATE ADVANCED LEVEL PROVIDERS WHO BASED UPON THE FISCAL YEAR, UM, PAY STRUCTURE.
WE'RE NOT COMPENSATED FOR THOSE ADVANCED CERTIFICATIONS.
THE INCENTIVE IS UTILIZED TO RECOGNIZE AND REWARD THE PROVIDERS, UM, FOR ACHIEVING AND MAINTAINING ACCREDITATION TO PERFORM LIFE-SAVING PROCEDURES IN THE FIELD WITHOUT INCENTIVE PAY.
UM, THERE IS NO COMPENSATION FOR FIRE AND RESCUE STAFF TO PUT IN THE HOURS OF STUDY REQUIRED IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THE CERTIFICATION THAT IS NECESSARY FOR REGULAR OPERATIONS IN WARREN COUNTY, UM, THE INCENTIVE PAY, THE EMPLOYEES MUST BE ACTIVELY EMPLOYED.
UM, SO THEY'RE IN AN ACTIVE PAY STATUS AT THE TIME THAT THE PAYMENT WOULD BE MADE.
UM, THEY MUST NOT CURRENTLY BE CLASSIFIED AS A PARAMEDIC FIREFIGHTER.
UM, THE AMOUNT OF THE PAYMENT FOR A ADVANCED LEVEL PROVIDER IS $3,000 FOR INTERMEDIATE LEVEL PROVIDERS, $4,500 FOR PARAMEDIC LEVEL OFFICERS.
IT'S $6,000 AND IT IS UNDER THE FISCAL YEAR 21, 22, AND THAT WOULD BE MAINTAINED THROUGH THE CARRY OVER ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME.
PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN OR ARE THERE QUESTIONS FROM MS. MEADOWS FROM THE BOARD? MY ONE QUESTION IS THAT THE FUNDING FOR THE ORDINANCE WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE CARRY OVER PACKAGE.
WHAT DOES THAT EXACTLY MEAN? THAT MEANS WE ALREADY HAVE THE MONEY, RIGHT? IT MEANS WE ALREADY HAVE THE MONEY.
IT WAS IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET AND WE CARRY IT FORWARD SINCE WE DIDN'T SPEND IT LAST MONTH.
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UM, IS THERE A CONTRACT WITH THESE PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY RECEIVED THIS AWARD? WHY THEY ARE, OR THEY NEED TO STAY WITH US AN ADDITIONAL YEAR, TWO YEARS, FIVE YEARS.UM, WE HAVE CERTAIN EMPLOYEES WHO ARE WORKING TOWARDS THESE CERTIFICATIONS THAT WE DO HAVE A CONTRACT WITH.
THESE ARE EXISTING PROVIDERS WHO HAVE MAINTAINED IT ON THEIR OWN WITHOUT ANY COMPENSATION OR PAYMENT FROM THE COUNTY.
MOST OF THEM HAVE CARRIED THE CERTIFICATIONS FOR YEARS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, SIR.
JUST TO REFRESH FOR THE BOARD.
THE COMPONENT TONIGHT IS FOR LAST YEAR AND WE TOLD THEM A YEAR AGO WE WERE GOING TO DO, THEN WE WILL TALK.
WHAT YOU LOOKED AT YOUR WORKSHOP LAST WEEK WAS THE FACT OF PUTTING A STIPEND IN THE BIWEEKLY PAY AND THAT YOU ONLY GET AS YOU RECEIVE EVERY MONTH.
SO THAT'S WHERE YOUR QUESTIONING OF HOW LONG DO YOU CONTINUE TO WORK? THE DAY YOU STOP WORKING AS THE DAY? IT STOPS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, MRS. SHIRAKI DID ANYONE SIGN UP TO SPEAK ON THIS? NO.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM AT THIS TIME? SECOND CALL, WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK THIRD AND FINAL CALL? PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ADOPT THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE TO ADD AN ORDAINED SECTION 30 DASH NINE OF THE WARREN COUNTY CODE.
IS THERE A SECOND ROLL CALL, MRS. SHIRAKI.
MR. BUTLER, MRS. OATES, MADAM CHAIR, MR. MABE MOTION PASSES.
[B. Conditional Use Permit 2022-06-01, Joseph Muniz for a Short-Term Tourist Rental Located at 499 Rome Beauty Drive and Identified on Tax Map 22B, Block K, Lot 18 – Matt Wendling]
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 2022 DASH OH SIX DASH OH ONE.AND I'M GOING TO APOLOGIZE AHEAD OF TIME TO EVERYBODY.
I PROBABLY GOING TO PRONOUNCE A LOT OF NAMES WRONG TONIGHT, SO I WILL DO MY BEST JOSEPH MONTHS FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL LOCATED AT 4 99 ROME BEAUTY DRIVE AND IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP, 22 B BLOCK K LOT 18.
MADAM CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
UH, THE APPLICANT PURCHASED HIS PROPERTY AS A SECOND HOME IN 2021 AND STARTED RENTING THE PROPERTY SHORT TERM SHORTLY AFTER PURCHASING THE PROPERTY.
UM, THE APPLICANT ALSO USES THIS FOR HIS FAMILY USE AND WANTS TO RENT IT SHORT TERM TO ALLOW HIM TO OFFSET THE COST OF THE SECOND HOME.
UH, THE APPLICANT DID RECEIVE A COUNTY, DID RECEIVE A COMPLAINT FROM A NEIGHBOR APP AFTER A GUEST OF HIS CREATED A DISTURBANCE WHILE RENTING.
AND MR. MUNIZ WAS SENT A NOTICE OF VIOLATION FOR NOT HAVING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
HE DID CEASE ADVERTISING AFTER THE THIRD, BY THE 30 DAY DEADLINE AND SUBMITTED HIS APPLICATION SHORTLY AFTERWARDS.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A WAIVER TO THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT OF A HUNDRED FEET FROM DWELLING TO DWELLING.
UH, THE DWELLING IS, UH, NEIGHBORING DWELLING TO THE WEST IS 95 FEET IN THE ONE TO THE EAST IS 80 FEET.
THE APPLICANT HAS CONTRACTED WITH A WASTE MANAGEMENT COMPANY, A LOCAL HANDYMAN, UH, PEST CONTROL AND LAWN CARE TO MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY.
AND HE PLANS TO BE A PROPERTY MANAGER.
HE DOES HAVE AN EMERGENCY CONTACT IN HIS PROPERTY PLAN.
A PLANNING COMMISSION DID FORWARD THIS WITH THEIR APPROVAL, WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, AND I'LL READ THE CONDITIONS, ALL THE CONDITIONS ON THIS FIRST SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL.
AND THEN IN THE FOLLOWING ONES, STAFF WILL ONLY READ THE ONES THAT ARE DIFFERENT.
UH, SO NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY, BUILDING INSPECTIONS OF VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION, CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.
NUMBER TWO, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED SIX IS DETERMINED.
ACCORDING TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, OPERATIONAL PERMIT FOR A THREE BEDROOM DWELLING.
NUMBER THREE, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE WELL WATER TESTED ANNUALLY FOR EQUAL LION COLIFORM BACTERIA, AND A COPY OF THE RESULTS SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING AND HEALTH DEPARTMENTS.
NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM INSPECTED ANNUALLY BY A STATE LICENSED INSPECTOR, AND A COPY OF THE RESULTS SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING AND HEALTH DEPARTMENTS.
THE SYSTEM SHALL ALSO BE SERVICED EVERY FIVE YEARS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND A COPY OF THAT SERVICE INVOICE SHALL BE PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
NUMBER FIVE, THE DISCHARGE OF FIREARMS AND HUNTING ON THE PROPERTY BY GUESTS
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SHALL BE PROHIBITED.NUMBER SIX, THE USE OF OFF TERRAIN VEHICLES BY GUESTS ON THE PROPERTY AND WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION SHALL BE PROHIBITED.
NUMBER SEVEN, A WAIVER OF THE REQUIRED SETBACK OF A HUNDRED FEET TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
THIS SHALL BE GRANTED FOR THE EXISTING 80 FOOT AND 95 FOOT SETBACKS TO THE DWELLINGS EAST AND WEST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
AND NUMBER EIGHT, THE OUTDOOR BURNING AND USE OF FIREWORKS BY GUESTS SHALL BE PROHIBITED.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY NOTED, UH, ADVERTISE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED AND THE APPLE MOUNTAIN POA DID SUBMIT A LETTER STATING THAT THIS DID NOT VIOLATE THEIR GUIDELINES OF THE POA.
I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT, I BELIEVE.
WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? YOU CAN COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME, SIR.
UH, THE NAME IS JOSEPH MINIS AND, UH, SORRY FROM DISCOMBOBULATED ON MY FIANCE'S DUE ANY MINUTE NOW FOR OUR SECOND CHILD, WHICH IS GREAT.
UM, YEAH, BASICALLY, UH, AS WAS SAID, WE HAVE, THIS IS OUR SECOND HOME.
SO WHEN WE ARE NOT USING IT, WE'RE TRYING TO DO SHORT-TERM RENTALS TO OFFSET THE COSTS.
AS WAS SAID WITH THE WATER WE HAD TO, UH, SPEND ABOUT 20,000 ON A NEW WATER SYSTEM BECAUSE OF WELL WATER AND IT'S, WHAT'S KIND OF BROWN AND NOT GOOD FOR THE KIDS.
UM, AIR CONDITIONING WAS ANOTHER 15,000.
AND THEN AS OF LIKE LAST WEEK, MY LOCAL HANDYMAN IS OUT THERE NOW BECAUSE THE, UH, PIPES ARE CLOGGED WITH OIL AND APPARENTLY IT'S SO BADLY CLOGGED.
SO THE IDEA IS WE WANT TO USE THE HOME.
WE HAVEN'T BEEN OUT THERE IN ABOUT TWO MONTHS BECAUSE MY FIANCE IS IN OUR FINAL STAGE OF BEING PREGNANT AND DELIVERING.
BUT THE IDEA IS WE WANT TO USE THIS WITH, UH, WHEN WE CAN, WHEN NOT TO OFFSET ALL THESE COSTS, ECONOMICALLY, WE NEED TO USE THIS AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, AS WAS SAID.
UH, THE ONLY COMPLAINT THAT REALLY MADE SENSE WAS NO FIRES AND WE TOTALLY AGREE.
UH, THE HOUSE ACTUALLY HAD A, UH, A POOL, EXTERNAL POOL.
WE REMOVED ANY RISKS WE WANT TO REMOVE.
SO THE IDEA IS WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE.
AND WHEN IT COMES TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AS WE SAID, WE HAVE A, ACTUALLY TWO ONSITE CONTRACTORS THAT LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEN LAWN CARE IS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND A PEST CONTROL IS A LOCAL SERVICE COMPANY.
SO THE IDEA IS WE KEEP THE PROPERTY IN PRISTINE CONDITION.
OBVIOUSLY, IF WE DON'T, THEN OUR PEOPLE WHO STAY THERE WOULD COMPLAIN AND YOU KNOW, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE.
SO THAT'S, HOPEFULLY YOU'LL HEAR US OUT AND ACCEPT, BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME FROM THE BOARD? IS SHIRAKI.
DID ANYONE SIGN UP TO SPEAK ON THIS? YES.
AND IF YOU WOULD JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS OR WILLIAM BAXTER, UM, 4 61 WRONG.
IT, MS. ROCKY IS GOING TO TELL YOU HOW TO TALK INTO THE MICROPHONE FOR HER TO BE ABLE TO PICK UP ON THAT.
UM, WAYNE BAXTER, 4 61, ROAM BEAUTY.
I'M NOT A RESIDENT TO THE EAST, SO I'M THE CLOSEST, UM, AS OF THE MEETING AND JULY 13TH, UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION BASICALLY SAID THAT HE HAD TO REMOVE THE FIRE PIT AS A FIVE O'CLOCK TONIGHT.
IT'S WITHIN ABOUT 30 FEET OF THE WOODS.
UM, AND MY HOUSE WAS JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT.
UM, THAT'S ONE OF MY BIGGEST CONCERNS.
THE I'M NOT COMPLIANT WITH, UH, WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION SAID.
I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S GOING TO COMPLY WITH WHAT WARREN COUNTY SAYS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BOARD SUPERVISORS, UM, LET'S SEE THE A HUNDRED, 100 FOOT ORDINANCES.
THE RE THERE'S, THE ONE THAT'S REALLY GOT ME.
UM, IF WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE IN THE COUNTY, MY FEELING IS IT SHOULD BE UPHELD FOR WHATEVER REASON IT WAS PUT IN PLACE FOR A REASON.
AND I BELIEVE AFTER, YOU KNOW, 14 YEARS LIVING ON THE MOUNTAIN, 24 YEARS BEING HERE IN WARREN COUNTY, I REALLY THINK THAT SHOULD BE HONORED, UM, ON OUR HALF, YOU KNOW, UM, WE WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR 14 YEARS.
WE'VE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH ANY OF THE NEIGHBORS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
I'M NOT SAYING THIS ISN'T A PROBLEM WITH THE NEIGHBOR.
I'M JUST SAYING, THIS IS MY FEELINGS ARE FEELINGS.
MY WIFE AND I, UM, THERE'S BEEN MULTIPLE PEOPLE IN THERE EVEN BEFORE HE, UM, STARTED, STARTED THE PROCESS TO GET PERMITS OR ANYTHING ELSE.
UM, IF HE'S GOT A SECOND HOME AS A RENTAL UNIT, I WOULD BELIEVE HE WOULD HAVE SOME TYPE OF, UM, THOUGHTS OF WHY HE HAS TO DO FOR PERMITS.
AND THAT'S ONE OF MY BIG CONCERNS.
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THE DOGS.WE HAVE A LEASH LAW HERE IN THE COUNTY, I BELIEVE.
UM, OUR DOG IS, DOES NOT GO ANYWHERE.
YES, THEY HAVE A FENCED IN BACKYARD.
THEY JUST ROAM THE FRONT YARD.
UM, IT DOESN'T, YES, THERE ARE PEOPLE OUTSIDE WITH THEM, BUT THERE'S NOTHING SAYING THAT DOGS WON'T COME ON OUR PROPERTY.
SO, LIKE I SAID, A COUPLE OF BIG CONCERNS, SOME MINOR CONCERNS, BUT I WOULD JUST APPRECIATE IF THE BOARD WOULD TAKE THIS INTO CONSIDERATION.
UM, LIKE I SAID, THE A HUNDRED FOOT WARDENS, NUMBER ONE IN THE FIRE PIT IS STILL THERE AFTER A MEETING WHERE HE WAS TOLD IT HAD TO BE REMOVED.
AND HE WAS ALSO TOLD HE HAD TO BE, HAD TO HIRE A LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGER.
AND HE JUST SAID HE WAS GOING TO MANAGE IT HIMSELF.
SO THAT WAS JUST THE TIMEFRAME THAT IT WAS BROUGHT UP THE LAST MEETING.
ANYONE ELSE, MR. SHAHRAKI NO ONE ELSE HAS SIGNED UP.
WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM AT THIS TIME? SECOND CALL ANYONE LIKED TO SPEAK THIRD AND FINAL CALL? WE USUALLY DO.
OH, THE FIRE PIT CONCERN WILL BE REMOVED RIGHT NOW.
I JUST HAVE FRIENDS AND FAMILY THERE BASED ON THE RULES THAT ARE BEING TOLD THAT I'M NOT ALLOWED TO USE SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
THAT'S HOW WE'RE BASICALLY USING THE PROPERTY UNTIL THERE'S AN OFFICIAL AGREEMENT.
BUT ONCE THAT'S DONE, THE IDEA IS WE WOULD MOVE THE, UH, THE FIREPIT.
I DON'T WANT THE RISK EITHER IN THE END, WE TRY TO DO THAT.
AND UM, YES, IT IS A FENCED IN BACK.
WE DO ALLOW DOGS IN THE BACK, BUT ONLY IN THE BACK, IF THERE'S CONCERNS AROUND THE FRONT, WE CAN ADD RULES AROUND THAT.
AGAIN, ANY CONCERNS WE HAVE, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING THOSE.
AND UH, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS AROUND, UH, PROPERTY MANAGEMENT, I HAVE TWO PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE, UH, ON THE MOUNTAIN AND, UH, BOTH OF THEM ARE MY UNCLE HANDYMAN.
THEREFORE FOR ME PERSONALLY, YOU KNOW, TAKE THE PHONE CALL, I CALL THEM THEY'RE THERE WITHIN A FEW MINUTES.
WE JUST DEALT WITH THIS THE LAST FEW DAYS WITH A PIPE BREAKING OR IT'S CLOGGED MORE OR LESS.
SO AGAIN, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT OUR PLAN, I'VE PROVIDED OUR MANAGEMENT PLAN THERE THAT HAS THE PHONE NUMBERS AND CONTACTS, WHICH THE COUNTY, OR ANYBODY'S WELCOME TO VERIFY, APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
ANY ONE ELSE LET'S SEE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD OR DISCUSSION.
AND JUST TO, TO CLARIFY THE FIRE PIT, SINCE IT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP, DOES THAT NEED TO BE REMOVED ENTIRELY OR IT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED EXCEPT WHEN THE OWNERS OF THERE TO BE ABLE TO USE IT.
IT'S ONE OF THOSE PORTABLE ONES THAT THEY CAN STORE IN A SHED THAT WOULD BE FINE AS LONG AS, UH, TO HAVE IT STORED THERE FOR, UH, WHEN THE GUESTS ARE THERE.
WHEN TH THEY, THE PLANNING COMMISSION REALLY DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE APPLICANT USING IT.
OBVIOUSLY THE APPLICANT WOULD WANT TO BE CAREFUL WITH IT, BUT, UM, BUT SOLELY ADDRESSING THE USE FOR THE SHORT-TERM TOURIST, RONALD AND THE GUEST USING THAT.
SO, UM, AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE A PART OF OUR REVIEW PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS DONE.
UH, HE HAS PUT SOMETHING IN HIS PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN RELATING TO THAT.
SO NO OPEN AIR FIRES, UM, THIS APPLICATION IN, IN SOME OF THE FOLLOWING ONES, UH, THIS CAME UP CONTINUOUSLY.
SO WE JUST, UH, PRETTY MUCH AMENDED THE, UH, CONDITIONS FOR THE SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTALS FROM NOW ONE TO PUT THAT.
UH, SO, UH, THAT WILL BE SOMETHING WE WILL MAKE SURE IS ADDRESSED PRIOR TO ISSUING A CERTIFICATE ZONING FOR HIM TO START THE BUSINESS.
AND FROM THE TIME HE WAS PRESENTED WITH, UM, NON-COMPLIANCE, NO ONE IS SUPPOSED TO BE SHORT-TERM RENTAL LANE, RENTING THAT UNTIL WE PASS THIS CORRECT.
NOT RENTING IT SHORT-TERM, HE WASN'T, HE COULD RENT IT.
WE DO ALLOW THAT AND HE CAN'T ADVERTISE FOR ANYTHING LESS THAN SHORT-TERM.
HE CAN RENT ADVERTISE FOR OVER 30 DAYS.
UM, AND I'M NOT SURE MS. MR. LENZ, DO YOU HAVE ANY, ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY THING ABOUT THAT? UH, I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE, UM, THE ONLINE ADVERTISEMENT IT'S IF IT'S STILL UP, WE WOULD LOOK TO MAKE SURE THAT IT HAS A 30 NIGHT MINIMUM SET, AND I WOULD CHECK TO SEE HOW MANY REVIEWS THERE ARE PER MONTH TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE MULTIPLE, UH, I HAVE NOT FOLLOWED UP ON THAT THOUGH, SINCE HE APPLIED, UH, MY QUESTION, THE REASON I ASKED A QUESTION IS HE SAID HE WAS USING HIS PROPERTY MANAGEMENT BECAUSE OF THE PIPE LAST WEEK.
AND I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF HE WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BE RENTING IT.
WHY WOULD THE PROPERTY MANAGER BE USING IT? SO, I MEAN, FIXING IT, SO I'M JUST TRYING TO VERIFY,
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WELL, IF, IF, IF HIS FAMILY WAS THERE AND IT WAS A NON-COMMERCIAL WASN'T RENTING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT REALLY ANYTHING WE CAN DO ANYTHING ABOUT, BUT IF HE IS RUNNING IT AND HE'D BE, HE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN IN VIOLATION.SO YOU, YOU HAVEN'T BEEN RENTING IT SINCE YOU WERE TOLD YOU WERE IN NON-COMPLIANCE.
NOBODY'S REALLY GOING AFTER IT, BUT I DO HAVE TO ADVERTISE BECAUSE OF COURSE THE RULES THAT'S OKAY.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS I DO? SO MR. WENTLING BY RIGHT, THERE ARE NO SETBACK RULES OR ANYTHING ELSE BY, RIGHT.
FOR HIM TO RENT THAT LONG-TERM SO MORE THAN 30 DAYS, CORRECT? THERE'S NO, LIKE, SO THIS SET BACK TO ONLY APPLIES TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
IT DOESN'T APPLY TO THE LONG-TERM RENTAL.
THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO, I'M TRYING TO, TO, UH, REVEAL TO EVERYONE THAT THE RIGHT OF PROPERTY IS THAT IF MR. MUNIZ WANTED TO RENT HIS PROPERTY FOR SIX MONTHS TO ANYBODY, THAT COULD BE THE WORST TENANTS IN THE WORLD NEXT DOOR TO YOU, THERE IS NOTHING THE COUNTY CAN DO ABOUT THAT.
SO YOU'RE ACTUALLY BETTER OFF WITH SHORT-TERM RENTALS BECAUSE AT LEAST THERE'S A MOTIVATION TO KEEP PEOPLE BECAUSE THERE'S A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
THERE'S A MOTIVATION TO KEEP PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE SHORT TERM RENTAL COMPLIANT WITH WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEN I'LL, I'LL MENTION THAT WE, WE DO AN ANNUAL REVIEW AS PART OF THE ISSUANCE OF A BUSINESS LICENSE.
THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO, UH, SUBMIT HIS TRANSIENT LODGING ON A MONTHLY BASIS THROUGH THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE.
UH, WE WOULD, WE WOULD REQUEST AS FAR AS THE ANNUAL REVIEW, AT LEAST THE, UM, WATER QUALITY REPORT.
AND THEN WE WOULD JUST REVIEW THE FILE, MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S COMPLIANT.
IF WE DID HAVE A PATTERN OF, UH, COMPLAINTS RELATING TO NOISE OR ANYTHING REGARDING THE SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL, IT CAN BE REVOKED BY YOU.
WE WOULD BRING IT TO THE BOARD.
AND WE WERE REQUESTS FOR EVOCATION OF THAT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT BASED ON, UH, DUE CAUSE OF THOSE COMPLAINTS.
SO THERE IS, UH, SOMETHING, UH, A MECHANISM BUILT IN WHERE, WHERE THE BOARD CAN CHOOSE TO REVOKE IT.
IF THEY DO APPROVE, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THERE ARE SOME ISSUES AND WE HAVE PROBLEMS AND MR. WILLING TO DATE AND WARREN COUNTY, HOW MANY HAVE BEEN REVOKED? WE HAVE NOT REVOKED ANY, BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE ARE VERY COMPLIANT BECAUSE THEY WANT TO KEEP THEIR CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS.
FOR, FOR THE MOST PART, MOST PEOPLE, ONCE THEY ARE ISSUED IT, THEY DO, THERE IS A POST-APPROVAL PROCESS THAT THEY GO THROUGH.
I MEAN, WE DO HAVE A FEW THAT HAVE NOT DONE THAT YET, BUT ONCE THEY'VE GONE THROUGH THAT POST APPROVAL PROCESS, THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S NECESSARY FOR THEM TO DO, UH, TO CONTINUE THE BUSINESS, KEEP THE BUSINESS ACTIVE.
UM, THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO HAVE CHOSEN TO NOT DO THIS ANYMORE OR STOP IT TEMPORARILY AND THAT WE WOULD PUT THEM ON AN INACTIVE STATUS AND THEY HAVE TWO YEARS TO REESTABLISH THAT USE.
UH, FROM THAT TIME, ONCE THEY, THAT TWO YEARS IS UP, THEN THEY USE GOES AWAY.
IT BECOMES EXPIRED AND THE PERMIT IS EXPIRED.
SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION, IS THERE A MOTION I'M MOVING TO THE BORDER OF LONDON UNITS.
I'M SORRY FOR SHORT-TERM STORAGE MODEL WITH THE CONDITION THAT'S RECOMMENDED ABOUT FINDING CONDITIONS THAT IS THERE A SECOND.
I'LL SECOND IT ROLL CALL MRS. SHIRAKI MR. MABE, MADAM CHAIR.
HI, MR. BUTLER, YOU BETTER GET TO THE HOSPITAL BECAUSE IF IT WERE ME, YOU'D BE IN BIG TROUBLE, BUT
[C. Conditional Use Permit 2022-06-02, Yulia Svetlichnaya for a Short-Term Tourist Rental Located at 610 Joans Quadrangle Road and Identified on Tax Map 15E, Section 6, Block 6, Lot 767 – Chase Lenz]
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 2022 DASH OH SIX DASH OH TWO.AND AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE, UH, YULIA, AND THIS IS ROCKY.
AND FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL LOCATED AT SIX, 10 JONES QUADRANGLE ROAD AND IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP, 15 E SECTION SIX, BLOCK SIX LOT 7 67, MR. LENS.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY SHE PURCHASED IN DECEMBER OF 2021.
THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR SHORT-TERM VISITATIONS, FOR GUESTS SEEKING TO ENJOY THE MOUNTAIN VIEWS AND CONNECT WITH THE NATURAL BEAUTY
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OF THE SHENANDOAH NATIONAL PARK IN WARREN COUNTY AREA.SHE PLANTED, SHE PLANS TO MANAGE THE PROPERTY PERSONALLY WITH ASSISTANCE FROM LOCAL PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, FOR CLEANING MAINTENANCE AND GARBAGE REMOVAL.
UM, THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE SHENANDOAH FARMS, SUBDIVISION MOUNTAIN LAKE SECTION.
AND WE DID RECEIVE COMMENTS FROM THE PROPERTY OWNERS OF SHENANDOAH FARMS CONFIRMING THEY HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THIS REQUEST.
UM, THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT CONSTRUCTION PERMIT ON FILE APPROVING A MAXIMUM OF FOUR OCCUPANTS FOR THE DWELLING.
AND SHE HAS PROVIDED HER PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN AND AN UPDATED VERSION WAS PROVIDED TODAY, WHICH INCLUDES THE RULES, UM, BASED ON THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE SUGGESTED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, THIS PROPERTY DOES MEET THE, OR THE DWELLING MEETS THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS OF 100 FEET TO ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS.
THE CLOSEST ONE IS 152 FEET TO THE NORTHWEST.
UM, SO WE DID DURING THE PLANNING COMMISSION PUBLIC HEARING IN JULY, UH, WE DID HAVE SEVERAL SPEAKERS RAISED SOME CONCERNS, UM, INCLUDING TRAFFIC, UM, RISK OF FIRES, UH, TRESPASSING, UH, AS WELL AS THE ROAD CONDITIONS ON JONES QUADRANGLE AND THE IMPACT ON THOSE ROADS FROM THE USE.
IN FACT THAT IT WAS A IT'S A ONE WAY IN ONE WAY OUT TYPE OF ROAD.
UM, AND ALSO WITH THE USE OF COMMON PROPERTIES WITHIN THE SHENANDOAH FARM SUBDIVISION.
AND AT THE TIME THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN HAD NOT BEEN PROVIDED.
AND, UM, THERE WERE SOME SPEAKERS THAT WANTED TO HAVE REVIEWED THAT.
UM, SO DURING THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DISCUSSION, UM, UH, WE DID END UP ADDING THE CONDITION TO RESTRICT OUTDOOR BURNING, UH, BY GUESTS AND USE OF FIREWORKS.
UH, SHE HAS PROVIDED HER PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN, WHICH ADDS IN THOSE CONDITIONS.
UM, AND THE SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS ALSO REQUIRE THE PROPER PROPERTY BOUNDARIES TO BE CLEARLY MARKED AT ALL TIMES, UM, WHICH SHOULD ADDRESS THE ISSUE WITH TRESPASSING.
AND IF IT DOESN'T, THEN WE HOPE TO HEAR FROM YOU IF THERE IS SOMEONE TRESPASSING, UM, UM, A FEW THINGS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER HAS POINTED OUT AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING IS THAT, UH, THE MR. MEYERS EXPLAINED THAT V DOT STUDIES SHOW TRAFFIC IS, IS FAR LESS, UH, FOR SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL THAN FOR A FULL-TIME RESIDENT.
UH, MR. HENRY ALSO POINTED OUT THAT JONES QUADRANGLE IS IN A SANITARY DISTRICT AND THE RESIDENTS SHOULD CONTACT THE SANITARY DISTRICT MANAGER IF THERE ARE CONCERNS OVER THE ROAD CONDITIONS, UM, AND REGARDING THE COMMON PROPERTIES, UM, UH, IT WAS CLARIFIED THAT AS, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS OF SHINDO FARMS MATTER.
UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE HAVE STICKERS, UH, TO ACCESS THOSE PROPERTIES.
I BELIEVE THAT WAS CONFIRMED AS WELL.
UM, BUT THIS, UH, APPLICATION WAS FORWARDED TO THE BOARD WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.
UM, SO THERE WAS THE ADDED CONDITION, NUMBER SEVEN, RESTRICTING OUTDOOR BURNING AS MENTIONED, UM, WITH CONDITION NUMBER TWO, BEING, UH, SEPARATE THE REST ARE THE STANDARD CONDITIONS, UH, CONDITION NUMBER TWO READS THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED FOUR AS DETERMINED, ACCORDING TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT FOR A TWO BEDROOM DWELLING.
UH, THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED TO JASON.
PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, THANK YOU.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK? SURE.
I CAN SHARE SOME WORDS ON JUST LIKE A PREVIOUS APPLICANT AND PURCHASE THE PROPERTY ON DECEMBER AS A SECOND HOME.
I LIVED NOT THAT FAR IN RESTON, SO I HAVE NOT BEEN RENTING AS OF TODAY.
SO JUST TRYING TO FOLLOW ALL THE RULES AND BE RESPECTFUL OF THE COUNTY.
UM, ME AND MYSELF AND MY DAUGHTER HAVE BEEN USING THE PROPERTY SINCE WE BOUGHT IT JUST IN JOINING HERE IN LEBANON HERE.
UM, SO WE WOULD LOVE TO CONTINUE USING IT AS OUR SECOND HOME FOR THE MAIN PURPOSE OF THE HOME.
AND WHEN WE'RE NOT USING IT JUST TO RENT IT OUT AS A SUPPLEMENTAL INCOME, I WAS NOT ABLE TO ATTEND THE HEARING, UM, IN JULY.
SO I HAD ADDRESSED SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED BY NEIGHBORS.
UM, THERE WAS A BIG FIRE PIT THAT IT WASN'T A PROPERTY BY PREVIOUS OWNER THAT I EVEN HAVEN'T BEEN USING MYSELF BECAUSE IT WAS JUST TOO BIG THAT WILL BE REMOVED.
IT IS IN MY PLAN THAT GUESTS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO USE IT.
SO I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS? I'VE GOT ONE.
UM, YOU SAID R IT WAS SAID IN HERE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE THE PROPERTY MANAGER FOR NOW, FOR NOW.
I HAVE BEEN, UM, IN CONTACT AND RESEARCHING, UM, LOCAL HELP.
SO I HAVE A LIST OF PEOPLE WHO WILL BE HELPING SUCH AS A CLEANING COMPANY, UM, HANDYMAN.
AND, UM, I ALSO HAVE, UM, MY BOYFRIEND WHO LIVES HERE LOCAL IN FRONT ROYAL HAVE THERE ARE EMERGENCY, THERE'S A PERSON WHO CAN RESPOND
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IMMEDIATELY.THAT'LL BE IN YOUR MAINTENANCE PLAN.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? OKAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MRS. ROCKY, HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? YES.
MADAM CHAIR, SEBASTIAN CLEMEN GOOD EVENING.
I LIVE AT 4 72 JONES QUADRANGLE ROAD LIGHTS.
FIRST START OFF BY SAYING, THIS IS NOTHING AGAINST JULIA.
AND, UH, SHE MAKES A DELICIOUS BEVERAGE.
SO TRUST ME, I AM AGAINST HER.
I'M AGAINST, UH, THE POLICIES AND, UM, WHATEVER YOU CALL IS SHORT-TERM RENTAL PROPERTY.
SO THIS IS STRICTLY BUSINESS YULIA.
SPEAKING OF BUSINESS, UH, THESE SHORT-TERM RENTAL PROPERTIES ARE ALSO KNOWN AS AIRBNBS ALL OUR, UH, BUSINESS.
UM, THERE WAS SOME SAID LAST WEEK, OR LAST TIME WE'RE HERE EITHER BY MRS. CUTLER OR SOMEBODY ELSE ON THE BOARD THAT PEOPLE WILL HAVE THESE PROPERTIES DON'T REALLY MAKE A PROFIT OFF OF IT.
WELL, I'M GONNA TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, THESE PROPERTIES OR AIRBNBS, AS Y'ALL LIKE TO CALL IT, OR SHORT-TERM RENTALS THEY'RE MADE FOR PROFIT.
I'VE LOOKED INTO, IT WAS GOING TO DO IT IN FLORIDA.
I'VE TALKED TO A LOT OF PEOPLE WITH THAT KIND OF RENTAL PROPERTIES AROUND.
YOU CAN CASH IN A LITTLE BIT IN YOUR POCKET.
WHAT I UNDERSTAND Y'ALL ARE GIVING THEM OUT LIKE CANDY BECAUSE IT'S GOOD TAX REVENUE FOR THE COUNTY.
CAN I GET CHASED OR REPEAT THE THING ABOUT WHAT HE SAID ABOUT THE, UH, IT WAS BROUGHT UP TO THE BOARD AND NOBODY CONTESTED IT.
YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT P O P O S F WAS INFORMED ABOUT YULIA AS PROPERTY.
CAN YOU REPEAT THAT FOR ME? IT WAS IN THE BEGINNING OF YOUR SPEECH THERE.
IN FULFILLING THE SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS FOR SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTALS, WE REQUEST COMMENTS FROM THE PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION, HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION AT ROAD MAINTENANCE GROUP.
AND WE DID RECEIVE A RESPONSE FROM THEM THAT SPECIFICALLY SAYS THAT THEIR BOARD DOES NOT HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS TO THE REQUEST.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BOARD OF P POS HALF BOARD.
THAT IS WHAT THE RESPONSE SAID.
WELL, TO MY UNDERSTANDING, THE BOARD OF PO CHANDELIERS FARMS, WASN'T REALLY CONTACTED ABOUT THAT.
BUT ANYWAY, UM, THAT'S THE SINKING SHIP ANYWAY, AND YOU ALL WERE TRYING TO KILL IT.
SO BACK TO WHAT I WAS SAYING, UM, AND JUST A SECOND, DID YOU SAY THAT YOU HAD A WRITTEN REQUEST RETURNED BACK FROM
IT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.
I MEAN, WE GATHER WRITTEN REQUESTS BACK FROM THEM SAYING THAT TO SAY THEY WEREN'T CONTACTED IS NOT CORRECT.
WELL, I'LL GET BACK WITH HIM ON THAT.
UM, WHAT DO THEY CARE? AND THEY DON'T LIVE ON JONES QUADRANGLE ANYWAY.
UM, ABOUT THE TRAFFIC SITUATION.
I'D LIKE TO INVITE EVERYBODY HERE TO COME SIT ON ONE OF OUR FRONT PORCHES AND WASH THESE, UH, NASCAR DRIVERS GO UP AND DOWN THE ROAD.
UH, THERE'S CHILDREN PLAYING THERE'S, DUSKIN TOSSED UP IN THE AIR.
THERE IS ALREADY A SHORT-TERM RENTAL PROPERTY, FOUR HOUSES UP FROM YULIA.
SO THAT'LL BE TWO RIGHT THERE, CLOSE PROXIMITY.
AND I SAID IT BEFORE, OUT OF TOWNERS, COME UP HERE AND THEY DRIVE.
LIKE, THEY DON'T HAVE NO SENSE.
UH, AS FAR AS, UH, THE PROPERTY, I KNOW SHANDO FARMS, I'M SORRY.
HUCK FAN AND JONES QUADRANGLE ARE THE TWO ROADS LEADING UP TO THAT, THAT HOUSE.
UM, IT'S NOT A RESORT NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE VIEW'S NOT EVEN THAT GOOD AT ANYWAY FROM HER PORCH, NOT THAT GOOD FROM MY PORCH.
AND I NEED DAD GOOD FROM THE OTHER PORCH THAT HAS THE OTHER SHORT TERM MALE.
SO YOU WANT TO EXPERIENCE THE MOUNTAINS AND SHANDO FARMS. I SUGGEST THAT PEOPLE GO UP TO HOT TUB HAVING, OR GO RENT A CABIN ON SKYLINE DRIVE SOMEWHERE LIKE THAT.
SO, UH, THE STICKERS TO GET TO THE COMMON PROPERTIES, THOSE STICKERS HAVE SERIAL NUMBERS ON THEM.
AND THEY'RE GIVEN OUT TO PROPERTY OWNERS TO GO ON THE BACK OF THEIR CARS.
THEY'RE NOT MADE TO HANG OUT LIKE CORN DOGS AND FAIR FOR ALL THE RENTERS.
SO YOU CAN'T TAKE THEM OFF THE VEHICLE AND PUT THEM ON THE OTHER ONE.
YOU HAVE TO GO THURSDAY FROM 10 TO TWO
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AT THE SUBSTATION OVER THERE AND SHANDO FARMS AND GET THE STICKER FOR YOUR PERSONAL VEHICLE.SO, UM, THAT THAT'S IRRELEVANT AT THIS POINT.
ANYONE ELSE, MRS. SHORAKA? YES.
MY NAME IS DORIS HARRINGTON AND I LIVE AT FIVE 17 JONES QUADRANGLE.
UM, I GUESS I'M BEING, I'M GETTING MORE NERVOUS INSTEAD OF MORE ASSURED, THE MORE I HEAR I AM A MEMBER OF THE POS F BOARD.
I DON'T DOUBT THAT YOU HAVE SOMETHING SAYING WE DON'T OBJECT, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT AS A BOARD MEMBER, THIS WAS NEVER BROUGHT UP IN AND THAT'S OUR FAULT, NOT YOURS, BUT I DO QUESTION WHO SIGNED THAT AND IS, CAN I FIND OUT WHO SIGNED THAT PIECE OF CORRESPONDENCE? THERE IS NO SIGNATURE.
IT JUST SAYS WE HAVE NO OBVIOUS OBJECTIONS TO THIS REQUEST.
RESPECTFULLY PROPERTIES, OWNERS OF SHANDRA FARMS AND THE ADDRESS AND TELEPHONE NUMBER.
I THINK LISA ACTUALLY PUTS THAT OUT WHEN THEY GET THEM AND IT NORMALLY GOES THROUGH, UM, MR. RINALDO, BUT I WON'T SWEAR.
THAT'S, THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE THAT I HAVE, THAT WE ARE A BOARD AND NOT MR. RONALDO, BUT ANY THAT'S BESIDE THE POINT, MY, MY CONCERNS ARE NOT PERSONAL.
MY CONCERNS ARE SIMPLY THAT WE DO LIVE ON A DEAD END ROAD.
WE HAVE, UH, AND AGAIN, IT'S NOT ANY ONE PERSON'S FAULT.
HUCK FINN IS VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TO MAINTAIN WITHIN TWO, THREE WEEKS.
AT THE MOST THAT ROAD BECOMES JUST A NIGHTMARE AND THEY'RE CONTINUALLY GRADING AND RAKING AND BRINGING IN MORE GRAVEL.
AND IT, IT INCREASE IN TRAFFIC IS JUST NOT ACCEPTABLE UP THERE.
UM, AND ALSO WE WERE TOLD BY THE PLANNING BOARD THAT STATISTICS SHOW THAT THESE SHORT-TERM RENTALS DO NOT INCREASE THE TRAFFIC.
I HAVE A SHORT-TERM RENTAL UP ABOVE ME, TOO.
I HAVE ONE ABOVE ME AND I'D INVITE YOU TO SIT ON MY PORCH AND COUNT THE NUMBER OF TIMES A DAY, THE CARS FROM THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL COME UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD.
UM, COMPARED TO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE UP THERE, WE GO TO WORK.
WE DO, WE DON'T RUN TO TOWN EVERY 20 MINUTES.
AND WE GO TO TOWN AND DO EVERYTHING WE HAVE TO DO AND GO HOME AND STAY THERE.
UM, AND I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION.
SHE INDICATED THAT SHE WAS GOING TO HAVE HER HOUSE MAINTAINED AND CLEANED.
SHE DID SAY SHE HAS A PILE OF, OF REFUGEES THAT WAS THERE BEFORE SHE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY.
HOW DOES SHE INTEND TO DISPOSE OF IT? THEN? I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, UM, JUST IT'S JUST FROM MY PERSONAL POINT OF VIEW, I BOUGHT IN MY SPECIFIC ROAD ON THE MOUNTAIN AS A RESIDENTIAL HOME, I DIDN'T BUY FOR A RESORT AND I, THAT, FOR THAT REASON ALONE, I AM OPPOSED TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
ANYONE ELSE, MRS. SHAHRAKI NO ONE ELSE HAS SIGNED UP MA'AM WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME, SECOND CALL ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK THIRD AND FINAL TIME PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
WOULD YOU LIKE REBUTTAL ON ANYTHING YOU'VE HEARD? UM, JUST A LAST CONCERN ABOUT THE LAWN CARE.
I'VE BEEN PERSONALLY TAKING CARE OF MY LAWN THIS TIME, MONTH SINCE I MOVED TO THE HOUSE THIS SUMMER.
SO THAT SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE ONCE.
UM, IT'S IF I GET THE PERMIT AND ONCE IT'S RENTED, I WILL BE WORKING WITH A LOCAL COMPANY, UM, WHO WILL BE TAKING CARE OF THE LAWN ON A WEEKLY OR BI-WEEKLY BASIS, WHATEVER THE NEED IS.
AND I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY TRASH ON MY PROPER DIMENSION OF A BIG FIRE PIT, NOT A TRASH, SO I DON'T REALLY NEED TO BURN ANYTHING.
I JUST NEED TO GET RID OF OLD ROCKS FROM THAT PARTICULAR PITS AND JUST DISPOSE OF IT.
ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? THANK YOU.
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HEARING? NONE.MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVED THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST FOR YOU.
YOU SPIT
IS THIS SHOCKING, MR. BUTLER, MRS. OATES.
I MR. MABE, RIGHT? MOTION PASSES.
I WOULD LIKE TO SAY TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF YOUR QUESTIONS.
I, I PERSONALLY DON'T REMEMBER EVER SAYING THAT, UM, SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE NOT PROFITABLE.
SO I DON'T KNOW, UM, ABOUT THAT.
AND I KNOW THERE'S A DEBATE AND I WOULD DEBATE IT TOO AS TO WHETHER THEY'RE CONSIDERED A BUSINESS, BUT THE GOVERNMENT ABOVE US SAYS THAT THEY ARE NOT.
SO UNTIL THEY CHANGE THAT, THEY'RE NOT CORRECT.
YES, MA'AM, THAT'S ALL RENTALS DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE A BUSINESS LICENSE.
SO THERE, THE STATE EXEMPTED THEM FROM THE BUSINESS LICENSE REQUIREMENT, BUT THEY ALL PAY THE LODGING TAX AND THAT'S BEYOND US.
YOU KNOW, BEING A DILLON STATE, WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THAT.
UM, AND AS WAS SAID EARLIER, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE CAN BUY A HOUSE AND RENT IT LONG-TERM WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER IT AT ALL.
AND THE GOOD THING ABOUT SHORT-TERM RENTALS IS THAT WITH THESE CONDITIONS, AND THESE ARE STANDARD CONDITIONS, BUT WE CAN PUT MORE CONDITIONS ON IF THEY'RE DEEMED NECESSARY.
AND IF THEY'RE BROKEN, THIS CONDITIONAL USE GOES AWAY VERSUS LONG-TERM RENTALS CAN BE DOING THE SAME THING.
YOU HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE DOING, UNLESS THEY'RE BREAKING A LAW AND YOU CATCH THEM WHEN THEY'RE DOING THE BREAK IN THE LAW, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT.
SO, YOU KNOW, DOES IT PAIN ME OFTENTIMES WHEN I HEAR ABOUT THE ROAD IMPACTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, UM, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE SAME THING.
IF IT'S A, LONG-TERM ONLY NO CONTROL OVER IT, YOU KNOW, VERSUS THE CONTROLS WE HAVE HERE.
SO WE DON'T JUST WILLY NILLY GIVE THEM OUT BECAUSE WE'RE THINKING WE'RE GOING TO GET MORE REVENUE, UM, THAT THAT'S, WE'VE JUST GOT TO HAVE MORE JUSTIFICATION THAN, THAN WHAT WE'VE HAD.
SO I JUST HAVE TO SAY THAT AND MOVING ON TO CONDITIONAL
[D. Conditional Use Permit 2022-06-03, Thomas Cho for a Short-Term Tourist Rental Located at 4359 Remount Road and Identified on Tax Map 39F, Section 1, Lot 7A – Chase Lenz]
USE PERMIT 2022 DASH OH SIX DASH OH THREE, THOMAS CHO FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL LOCATED AT 43 59 REMOUNT ROAD AND IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 39 F SECTION ONE LOT SEVEN EIGHT, MR. LIN'S.HE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY PURCHASED IN MARCH OF 2022.
THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR SHORT-TERM VISITATIONS FOR GUESTS OF THE SHENANDOAH NATIONAL PARK IN WARREN COUNTY AREA.
WHEN HE IS NOT HOSTING IS OUT OF STATE FAMILY.
HE PLANS TO MANAGE THE PROPERTY PERSONALLY.
SO THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE BEAR HOLLOW RIDGE SUBDIVISION.
UM, IT'S NOT A SUBDIVISION THAT'S MANAGED BY AN HOA OR A POA, AND AT LEAST NOT ONE THAT WE'RE AWARE OF.
UH, SO COMMENTS WERE NOT REQUESTED, UH, FROM THEM OR FROM NOT THEM.
UH, THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT ON FILE APPROVING A MAXIMUM OF SIX OCCUPANTS FOR THE DWELLING.
AND THE, THE DWELLING DOES MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT TO ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS WITH THE CLOSEST DWELLING AT 115 FEET TO THE SOUTHEAST.
SO WE DID RECEIVE A LETTER OF OPPOSITION BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, AS WELL AS BEFORE THE BOARD MEETING.
UM, PRETTY IDENTICAL LETTERS JUST ADDRESSING THE TWO DIFFERENT BODIES.
UM, BUT THE CONCERNS RAISED, IT WAS LETTER OF OPPOSITION.
IT WAS ILLICIT CONCERNS, INCLUDING, UM, THE SHARED DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE TO THIS PROPERTY OFF OF A BUSY HIGHWAY WITH THE HIGH, HIGH SPEED LIMIT.
UM, AND THEY INCLUDED A NEW NEWSPAPER ARTICLE ABOUT A RECENT ACCIDENT NEAR THIS LOCATION.
UM, AND DURING THIS, THE PLANNING COMMISSION PUBLIC HEARING, MR. CHOE INDICATED HE PLANS TO PAVE THE DRIVEWAY AND, UM, WE'LL INSTALL A DIRECTIONAL SIGNS FOR THE DRIVEWAY TO MITIGATE THE RISK OF AN ACCIDENT.
UM, SO IT IS THE STANDARD CONDITIONS FOR THIS REQUEST,
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WITH THE ADDITION OF CON, UH, RECOMMENDED CONDITION, NUMBER SEVEN REGARDING OUTDOOR BURNING AND THE USE OF FIREWORKS, UM, CONDITION NUMBER TWO IS SPECIFIC TO THE PERMIT READS THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED SIX, AS DETERMINED, ACCORDING TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT FOR A FOUR BEDROOM DWELLING, THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.JASON PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED.
UM, I BELIEVE MR. CHO IS HERE TONIGHT.
I HAVE, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? SURE.
UH, THOMAS SHELL, 43 59
AND BASICALLY I THINK THE CONCERN WAS THE THERE'S NO M UH, AMPLE PARKING SPOT, AND I BELIEVE THERE'S PLENTY OF PARKING SPOTS AND ACTUALLY EXPANDING THE PARKING LOT.
AND THE, THE PARK DRIVEWAY WAS KIND OF, UM, NOT MAINTAINED.
SO ACTUALLY I HIRED SOMEONE TO, UH, REDO THE PARKING PARKING AREA.
SO THEY SHOULD BE, SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE.
AND JUST A QUICK QUESTION ON THE, ONE OF THE CONDITIONS ON THE, THE, THE, UH, FIRE PIT, UH, CONCERNS.
SO LAST TIME WHEN WE ARE HERE FOR THE HEARING, I WAS, I GUESS I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED ON THE TERMINOLOGY, SO MAYBE I NEED A LITTLE CLARIFICATION ON THE, SO LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, IT WAS ABOUT THE OPEN FIRE.
SO DOES THAT, INCLUDING EVERYTHING, UH, ALL THE ONES THAT LIKE IN THE FIRE PIT THAT'S CONTAINED, OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT OPEN, OPEN FIRE AS IN KIND OF IN THE WILD AREA, JUST STARTING A FIRE WITH OUR DAY TO DO TWO DIFFERENT THINGS, OR BECAUSE PERSONALLY WHEN I'M THERE, I WANT TO LIKE TO USE THE FIRE FIRE PIT CAUSE TH THAT IT'S CONTAINED THERE IS WITHIN, SO YOU THROW THE LOGS IN, DO IT, AND THEN YOU COVER IT UP TO TURN IT OFF.
SO I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S ANY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO OR ARE WE STRICTLY TALKING ABOUT JUST LIKE WILD, OPEN FIRE AND THEN FIREWORKS? YEAH, I WOULD SAY THAT THE INTENT WAS THAT ANYTHING THAT WAS AN OPEN PIT OR EVEN A PORTABLE PIT THAT WAS COVERED, THAT ANYTHING THAT COULD DISTRIBUTE ASH EASILY FROM THAT PIT, YOU KNOW, AND SHOW THE POTENTIAL FOR, YOU KNOW, BURNING THE WOODS.
I THINK THAT WAS THE INTENT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, NOT JUST OUT YEAH, BURNING OUTSIDE, BUT SO IT'S EVERYTHING PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING.
SO IF IT'S IN THE FIRE PIT THAT IS BUILT WITHIN LIKE A TWO NAME, A COUPLE OF BRANDS, LIKE BREO, LIKE A SOLO STOVE, I'M NOT SURE YOU WERE NOT, UH, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU LIKE, UH, HOW DO YOU DEFEND THE POORER PEOPLE? UH, I GUESS IT DEPENDS ON THE TYPE OF THE, THE FIRE PIT, BUT SOME OF THEM MAY BE JUST BUILT INTO THE DECK OR BUILT INTO THE TOP OF THE CONCRETE.
IT'S VERY HEAVY, LIKE 50, 60 POUNDS.
SO IF YOU PLAN ON MOVING IT, YOU CAN HAVE MULTIPLE PEOPLE MOVE YOU AROUND.
YOU CAN, BUT THAT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST SENDING THE STEEL AND IT'S JUST MADE OF STEEL.
SO YOU THROW WOODS IN AND THEN ALL THE ASHES WILL STAY IN THERE.
SO, I MEAN LIKE A REGULAR FIRE PIT THAT PEOPLE THINK OF.
SO, I MEAN, THERE WOULDN'T BE A FIRE HAZARD, LIKE A WOODSTOVE KIND OF THING, OR SOUNDS LIKE A CHIMNEY IS THAT KENTUCKY IT'S CONTAINED IT'S CONTAINED.
SO LIKE THE W EVERY TIME YOU BURN SOMETHING IN THE OLD ASHES STAYS INSIDE OF THE FIRE PIT, BUT IF IT, IF IT DOESN'T HAVE A COVER, UM, IT'S STILL OPEN, RIGHT.
IT WOULD REQUIRE IT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE PUT OUT.
AND AFTER YOUR GUESTS LEFT OR BEFORE YOUR YET, I SHOULD SAY BEFORE YOUR GUESTS LEFT, I THINK THAT'S THE INTENT IS IF THERE WAS ANY WAY THAT, THAT THOSE ASHES IN ANY FORM COULD ESCAPE FROM THAT FIRE, WHETHER IT'S A CHIMNEY OR WHATEVER, I THINK THE INTENT IS THAT WOULD BE OPEN BURNING.
AND, AND THAT WAS THE MAJOR CONCERN WITH A LOT OF THESE HOMES THAT ARE IN THE MOUNTAIN COMMUNITIES.
I MEAN, THE FIVE FIRE SAFETY IS THE FIRST THING A HUNDRED PERCENT.
WE HAVE SOME FIRE, SAFE COMMUNITIES ALSO.
THEY, THEY PROHIBIT PROHIBIT SHORT TERM TOURS RENTALS, BUT, UH, SO THAT, THAT WAS, I THINK THE INTENT OF THIS, UH, CONDITION FOR
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THE, UH, FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.AND AGAIN, THE FIREWORKS OBVIOUSLY.
THERE'S NO ARGUMENT ABOUT THAT.
BUT, SO, SO, YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THE INTENT WAS CLEAR, YOU KNOW, WE TRIED TO AVOID ANY POSSIBLE FIRE HAZERS AND SO, YOU KNOW, LIKE LAST TIME MY INTENT W UH, UNDERSTANDING WAS AS LONG AS IT'S CONTAINED WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE FIRE PIT, THAT DOESN'T HAVE A CHANCE OF ASHES FLYING OUT IT'S IT'S OKAY.
AND LIKE, UH, IS IN THAT, I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE OKAY.
I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD CHASE, DO YOU HAVE THAT DEFINITION YET? YEAH, I DID NOT BRING THE ENTIRE WARREN COUNTY CODE WITH ME, SO I DID NOT HAVE OUR OUTDOOR BURNING CODE.
UM, BUT THE CHAPTER 92 BURNING OUTDOOR DEFINES OPEN BURNING AS THE BURNING OF ANY MATTER IN SUCH A MANNER THAT THE PRODUCTS RESULTING FROM COMBUSTION ARE ADMITTED DIRECTLY INTO THE ATMOSPHERE WITHOUT PASSING THROUGH A STACK DUCT OR CHIMNEY.
WHEN WE OPEN, WHEN HE GETS FINISHED AND OPEN.
BUT THAT'S ALL, UNLESS YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PUBLIC HEARS THAT OPEN.
I CONSIDER IT CONCERNING THIS, THIS PIT FIRE PIT THAT YOU HAVE.
I DON'T HAVE ONE YET, BUT I MEAN, FOR ME, FOR ME TO USE THAT, THERE'LL BE NICE TO JUST ENJOY THE, I DISAGREE WITH YOU, BUT IS THERE A PROBLEM AS TO WHY, IF YOU BUY ONE THAT YOU CAN'T TELL YOUR RENTERS NOT TO USE IT? NO, IT SHOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM.
WELL, THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION.
BUT I'M JUST, UH, I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE IF I'M OKAY TO USE THEM IN A SAFE MANNER, WHY COULDN'T THEY, IF I DO ANYTHING BECAUSE YOU CAN'T CONTROL THEM AND YOU'RE NOT WITH THEM ALL THE TIME.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE A CHANCE OF BURNING YOUR PLACE DOWN THAT YOUR PLACE, SOMEBODY ELSE MAY NOT BE WHITE IS DILIGENT WITH SOMETHING THEY DON'T OWN THEMSELVES.
I WAS JUST, JUST WANTING TO GET CLARIFICATION ON THE WORDING.
IT SAYS, IT SAYS IN YOUR PLAN THAT YOU PLAN TO MANAGE THE PROPERTY PERSONALLY, CORRECT.
WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO LIVE WHEN YOU'RE NOT THAT WHEN YOU GOT A RENTER IN THAT PROPERTY, WHERE DO YOU LIVE? UH, I LIVE IN RESTON AND THEN AL UH, I GOTTA BE SELF MANAGING WITH THE, UH, LOCAL PROFESSIONALS ASSISTANT WITH THE LOCAL PROFESSIONALS.
WILL YOU HAVE IN YOUR MANAGEMENT PLAN, SOMEBODY THAT'S THERE AND AVAILABLE.
IF THEY'VE GOT A PROBLEM, THEY CAN CALL THEM UP AND GET SOMEBODY OVER TO FIX THAT LINK HE SAKE OR WHATEVER.
IF, UH, IF THERE'S LIKE A PLUMBING ISSUES, I'LL HAVE A, YOU KNOW, A NUMBER OF VARIABLE, IT WILL BE REACHED OUT TO ME.
AND THEN YOU CAN ALSO REACH OUT TO THE, UH, THE PLUMBER, A LOCAL PLUMBER TO, FOR THE, TO FIX IF THERE'S ANY ISSUE FOR THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, MRS. SHIRAKI DID ANYONE SIGN UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ONE? NO.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM AT THIS TIME? SECOND CALL ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK THIRD AND FINAL PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? MADAM CHAIR.
CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION BEFORE YOU DO? SORRY.
UM, THE ROAD, THE, THE DRIVEWAY, THERE WAS A COMMENT THAT IT WAS A SHARED DRIVEWAY, SO THERE'S, THERE'S ONE DRIVEWAY THAT GOES IN AND THEN SPLITS TO GO TO TWO DIFFERENT ONES.
THERE IS A ONE, A ONE DRIVEWAY THAT GOES IN AT THE END THAT IT SPLITS RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING.
SO MY PARKING ACTUALLY, IT GOES, UH, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF SPACE, SO IT WOULDN'T BLOCK ANYTHING.
SO IT WILL JUST PASS THROUGH AND THEN THERE'S, YOU HAVE TO GO UP QUITE A BIT TO GET TO MY PLACE.
AND YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO PAY THAT, HAVE YOU WORKED WITH THE, UM, OTHER PROPERTY OWNER TO WORK WITH THIS PLAN? AND THEY'RE OKAY WITH PAVING.
I ASSUME THERE'S AN EASEMENT WHO, WHO OWNS THE ACTUAL PROPERTY AND WHO OWNS THE EASEMENT? DO WE KNOW THAT? SO IT'S A SHARED ENTRANCE.
THEY DO HAVE THEIR OWN DRIVEWAYS, UH, BELIEVE THE ENTRANCES ON HIS NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY AND IT IN YOUR DRIVEWAY HOOKS TO THE LEFT.
AT THE BEGINNING OF IT, I THINK BEFORE THE SPLIT, I THINK IT'S PART OF THE, THEIR, THEIR, UH, PROPERTY, THEIR, THEIR AREA, BUT I'M NOT, UH, DOING ONLY IMPROVING THE PARTS THAT IS ON PAST THE SPLIT.
THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YEAH.
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THEY'RE ON THEIR DRIVEWAY ON AFFECTED.I'LL JUST MENTION, UH, MR. CHO MAY NEED A LAND USE PERMIT FROM V DOT IF HE'S TYING DOING ANY PAVING INTO THIS STATE HIGHWAY.
SO, UH, JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND.
IT WAS KIND OF A, SOUNDS LIKE A W HOW IT'S MENTIONED, BUT IT'S, IT'S A SEPARATE DRUG WHERE YOU NEED.
WELL, IT EVEN STILL, YOU MAY WANT TO JUST CHECK WITH ME THAT, AND WE PUT THEM IN CONTACT WITH THEM JUST IN CASE THEY CAN TELL, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED, YOU DON'T NEED A PERMIT OR YES, YOU DO NEED A PERMIT.
SO WE'LL JUST LET YOU GET ON THOSE.
WHEN ANY IMPROVEMENT TO THE, DO I NEED TO TALK TO YOU? IT WOULD BE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT.
AND W WE'LL LET THEM KNOW ABOUT THAT, ASSIST THEM.
IT'S MORE LIKE A PRIVATE ROAD THAT GOES IN.
IT'S NOT LIKE PART OF A HIGHWAY YOU'RE COMING OFF REMOUNT ROAD DIRECTLY OFF REMAT ROAD, WHICH IS A STATE ROAD.
AND ANYTIME YOU COME OFF OF STATE ROAD AND DO ANY IMPROVEMENTS, BE THAT REQUIRES A LAND USE PERMIT.
SO JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, UM, WHILE WE'RE HERE AND WHILE THIS HAS COME UP.
AND JUST TO CLEAR THE PARTS THAT I GOTTA BE PAVING, IT'S PROBABLY PROBABLY, UH, 50 FEET AWAY OR ALREADY AWAY FROM THE HIGHWAY.
SO IT'S NOT CONNECTED OR HE'S REFERRING TO THE PERMIT FOR PAVING THE END OR UPGRADING THE ENTRANCE TO THE PROPERTY.
SO IF YOU'RE ONLY PAVING YOUR DRIVEWAY PORTION, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S DIFFERENT.
JUST, JUST TO DRIVE MY PERSONAL DRIVEWAY PORTION.
NOT, NOT NOTHING THAT CONNECTS TO THE, THE HIGHWAY.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S WORKING TOGETHER ON A ROAD THAT WE'RE NOT CAUSING A PROBLEM, BUT NOT COMMUNICATING WITH YOUR, THE PARTS THAT I GABBY THE REPAVING.
BUT YOU HAVE COMMUNICATED THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT BECAUSE HAVEN'T HAD EQUIPMENT COME IN THERE.
IT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA TO CONVERSE WITH YOUR NEIGHBOR AND MAKE SURE.
I HAVEN'T EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT TALKING TO MY NEIGHBOR.
MAYBE WHEN I, SINCE I'M DOING IT, MAYBE THEY WANT TO DO THE IMPROVEMENT TO, I KNOW ABOUT THAT, BUT YOU JUST MIGHT WANT TO, SO THE BULLDOZERS AND THINGS DON'T COME THROUGH AND YOU'RE UPSET AND YOUR NEIGHBORS UNNECESSARILY COMMUNICATE WITH THEM.
ALWAYS A GOOD IDEA TO COMMUNICATE SO SORRY, MR. MAY THAT'S OKAY.
I LIVED AT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVED THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST BY THOMAS CHO OR A SHORT-TERM TOURISTS RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND ROLL CALL, MRS. SHIRAKI MR. MABE BY MADAM CHAIR.
[E. Conditional Use Permit 2022-06-04, Andrew Sickle for a Short-Term Tourist Rental Located at 298 Worlds End Lane and Identified on Tax Map 23A, Section 1, Block 2, Lot 51A – Chase Lenz]
USE PERMIT 2022 DASH ZERO SIX DASH OH FOUR, ANDREW SICKLE FOR SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL LOCATED AT 2 98 WORLDS IN LANE AND IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP, 23, A SECTION ONE BLOCK, TWO LOT 51, A MR. LENS.THE APPLICANTS ARE, OR THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY.
HIS PARTNER PURCHASED IN APRIL OF 2022.
THE APPLICANT AND HIS MANAGEMENT PARTNERS WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR SHORT-TERM VISITATIONS FOR GUESTS SEEKING A QUIET ESCAPE WHILE EXPLORING THE SHENANDOAH NATIONAL PARK, LOCAL WINERIES, AND ALL THE ALL THAT WARREN COUNTY HAS TO OFFER, UH, THE APPLICANT AND HIS MANAGEMENT PARTNERS PLAN TO MANAGE THE PROPERTY WITH, UH, ASSISTANCE FROM LOCAL PROP PROFESSIONAL SERVICES FOR CLEANING MAINTENANCE AND GARBAGE REMOVAL.
THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE SKYLINE ESTATE SUBDIVISION, WHICH IS OWNED RESIDENTIAL ONE.
UM, AND THERE'S A HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT FOR ARE ON FILE FOR THE SEPTIC SYSTEM, APPROVING SIX OCCUPANTS FOR THE DWELLING.
UM, AND, UH, THE PROPERTY DOES MEET THE SETBACK, THE 100 FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT TO ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS WITH THE CLOSEST WELLING, 165 FEET TO THE NORTHEAST.
AND THE PROPERTY IS ALSO SURROUNDED BY VACANT UNDEVELOPED LOTS TO THE NORTHEAST AND WEST.
UM, SO WE DID REQUEST COMMENTS FROM THE SKYLINE COMMUNITY CORPORATION FOR THE USE, AND THEY WERE SUBMITTED A RESPONSE SAYING THAT THEY DO NOT APPROVE OF THE PROPOSED USE.
UM, THEIR REASONS WERE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.
I BELIEVE THAT SOMEONE MAY HAVE COME TONIGHT, UH, TO SPEAK FOR THAT AS WELL.
SO I WILL LET THEM GET INTO THAT.
UH, BEYOND THAT THERE WERE CONCERNS RAISED BY SPEAKERS DURING THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, UM, RELATED TO UNFAMILIAR DRIVERS
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ON NARROW ROADS AND THE HEAVILY WOODED AREA WITH A LOT OF BLIND TURNS AND HIDDEN DRIVEWAYS.UM, THERE'S CONCERN RAISED FOR CHILDREN PLAYING IN FRONT YARDS AND ALSO OUTDOOR BURNING IN FIREWORKS.
UH, DURING REBUTTAL, THE PROPERTY OWNER INDICATED THAT THEY WOULD BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH THE SKYLAND COMMUNITY CORPORATION TO INSTALL A CHILDREN AT PLAY SIGN.
AND WE'LL BE ADAMANT ABOUT MAKING RE RENTERS AWARE OF THE SPEED LIMIT AND ROAD CONDITIONS.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID FOR THIS APPLICATION.
DO YOU WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL WITH THE ADDITION OF CONDITION NUMBER SEVEN, RESTRICTING GUESTS FROM OUTDOOR BURNING AND USE FIREWORKS, UM, AND CONDITION NUMBER TWO IS SPECIFIC TO THIS PERMIT.
THE REST ARE STANDARD CONDITION.
NUMBER TWO SAYS MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED SIX.
AS DETERMINED, ACCORDING TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION FOR THREE BEDROOM DWELLING, THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.
JASON PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED.
UM, THE APPLICANT AND HIS MANAGEMENT PARTNERS ARE HERE TONIGHT.
UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, THANK YOU.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? UH, GOOD EVENING.
MY NAME IS CHARLIE STEININGER, I'M ACTUALLY THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND WITH ME TODAY IS ANDREW SICKO AND
UM, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TONIGHT.
UM, I JUST WANT TO QUICKLY GO OVER SOME OF THE UPDATES WE'VE MADE TO OUR PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLANS SINCE THE LAST MEETING, UH, WE HAVE UPDATED THE RULES, UH, TO PROHIBIT OUTDOOR, UH, BURNING.
UH, SO GUESTS WILL BE AWARE OF THAT AND THERE WILL BE NO FIRE PIT ON THE PREMISES.
UH, WE ALSO ADDED A SECTION EXPLAINING OUR PLAN, UH, TO PREVENT SPEEDING AND RECKLESS DRIVING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, THAT WAS A CONCERN OF, UH, MANY OF THE NEIGHBORS.
AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ADDRESS THAT.
SO WE HAVE BOUGHT, UH, TWO CHILDREN THAT PLAY SIGNS, ONE OF WHICH YOU'VE ALREADY INSTALLED IN OUR PROPERTY, WHICH IS AT THE END OF THE ROAD.
SO WHEN GUESTS LEAVE THE PROPERTY, THEY'LL, YOU KNOW, BE NOTIFIED, THEY'LL BE REMINDED TO DRIVE CAUTIOUSLY AND THEN PENDING APPROVAL FROM ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS.
WE WANT TO PUT ONE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE DRIVE, SO THERE'LL BE NOTIFIED THERE AS WELL.
UM, WE ALSO PLAN ON MESSAGING GUESTS PRIOR TO ARRIVAL, INFORMING THEM TO DRIVE RESPONSIBLY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND BE AWARE OF ANY CHILDREN AT PLAY, UH, IN THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN.
WE HAVE A DETAILED, THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE THAT WE PLAN TO SEND TO THEM.
UM, AND WE'VE ALSO ADDED DETAILS TO THE PLAN PERTAINING TO, UH, THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT CREW, INCLUDING THE CLEANERS HANDYMEN LANDSCAPERS, AND THE LOCAL POINT OF CONTACT THAT WE, UH, ARE UNDER CONTRACT WITH.
UM, OUTSIDE OF WHAT'S MENTIONED IN THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN, THERE WERE A FEW OTHER CONCERNS MENTIONED BY THE NEIGHBORS IN THE LETTERS THAT WERE SUBMITTED TO THE COUNTY.
SO I JUST WANT TO QUICKLY ADDRESS THOSE AS WELL.
UH, ONE OF THEM WAS, UH, ABOUT ME LIVING IN PA AND NOT PROPERLY OVERSEEING THE PROPERTY.
UM, SO JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA SINCE, UH, I PURCHASED THE PROPERTY THIS SPRING, I'VE BEEN DOWN TO THE PROPERTY ONE TO THREE WEEKENDS EVERY MONTH, UH, ALONG WITH THESE GENTLEMEN, UH, WORKING ON RENOVATING THE PROPERTY.
SO I THINK THAT'S A CLEAR INDICATION THAT WE'RE VERY COMMITTED TO OVERSEEING THIS PROPERTY.
UH, BUT ASIDE FROM THAT, UH, JEN LIVES IN MARYLAND AND ACTUALLY ANDREW JUST MOVED TO MARYLAND.
SO THEY LIVE WITHIN ABOUT AN HOUR'S DISTANCE OF THE PROPERTY.
SO IN THE CASE, THERE IS AN EMERGENCY.
UM, THEY CAN, UH, GET THERE IN RELATIVELY QUICK, QUICK AMOUNT OF TIME, BUT WE ALSO OF COURSE HAVE OUR LOCAL PROFESSIONALS HELPING US OUT, UH, CLEANING.
UH, OUR CLEANING CREW WILL BE THERE, UM, AFTER EVERY GUEST STAY AND THERE'LL BE, UM, CLEANING THE PROPERTY, RESTOCKING IT AND, UH, INSPECTING IT AND REPORTING BACK TO US IF THERE IS AN ISSUE.
AND THEN WE CAN, UH, ADDRESS THAT ACCORDINGLY, WHETHER IT'S, UH, CONTACTING HANDYMAN OR CONTRACTOR, OR EVEN US GOING DOWN IF NEED BE.
UH, AND WE'VE ALSO, UM, LIKE AS I MENTIONED, WE HAVE OUR LOCAL POINT OF CONTACT.
UH, SO IF THERE IS AN ISSUE WITH, UH, THAT THE GUEST IS HAVING OR NEIGHBORS HAVING, THEY CAN BE THERE IN A RELATIVELY QUICK AMOUNT OF TIME.
SO THROUGH THE STAFF AND SYSTEMS WE PUT IN PLACE, WE'RE VERY CONFIDENT WE CAN MANAGE IT, UH, FROM THE LOCATIONS THAT WE LIVE CURRENTLY.
UM, THERE WAS ANOTHER CONCERN ABOUT PEOPLE WHO RENT, UH, THEY'LL NOT CARE ABOUT THE PROPERTY WHILE I OWN THE PROPERTY.
SO OBVIOUSLY I'M GOING TO, UH, FIRST AND FOREMOST CARE ABOUT THAT.
UM, SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE PUTTING IN, UM, RESPECTFUL GUESTS.
SO OUR POLICY IS WE DON'T APPROVE ANYONE.
UH, WE REQUIRE THEY HAVE A VALID PHOTO ID.
UM, WE REQUIRE THAT THEY HAVE PRIOR BOOKING EXPERIENCE AND THAT THEY HAVE, UH, REVIEWS FROM PRIOR HOSTS AND WE'LL REVIEW THOSE.
AND IF WE THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE A RESPONSIBLE GUESTS, THEN WE'LL APPROVE THEM OTHERWISE.
UH, WE'RE NOT GOING TO RISK THAT.
UM, AND THEN THE, LASTLY THERE WAS SOMETHING MENTIONED ABOUT COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE, BRINGING DOWN PROPERTY VALUE.
WELL, JUST BECAUSE OF RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, OF COURSE, IF IT'S BEING RENTED OUT A SHORT TERM RENTAL THAT DOES NOT MAKE IT A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, AS YOU ALL KNOW, UM, AND WE'VE ACTUALLY BASED UPON THE PRICE WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY FOR AND WHAT WE'VE INVESTED INTO IT,
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UM, WE'VE INCREASED THE PROPERTY VALUE OF THE NEIGHBORING HOMES.UM, SO I THINK THOSE WERE ALL THE CONCERNS, UH, THAT WERE MENTIONED.
I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS EACH OF THEM INDIVIDUALLY AND HOW WE EITHER PLAN TO MITIGATE THEM OR HOW WE FEEL THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT REALLY A CONCERN.
UM, SO I HOPE YOU TAKE THESE THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION.
UM, AND WE REALLY WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.
UM, AND WE FEEL THAT, UH, WHAT WE'RE PROVIDING HERE IS AN ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY, UM, BY PROVIDING EMPLOYMENT FOR LOCAL CLEANERS AND HANDYMEN, BUT ALSO IT'S A PLACE FOR TOURISTS TO STAY, UM, AND ULTIMATELY BRING IN REVENUE TO THE COUNTY.
AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY.
ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR THIS? NO ONE HAS SIGNED UP ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM AT THIS TIME.
SECOND CALL ANYONE LIKED TO SPEAK THIRD AND FINAL CALL PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? UM, YOU STATED THAT THE SKY LANE, UH, SKY LAND, UH, STATES ORGANIZATION RESPONDED AND THEY DON'T APPROVE THIS, BUT WE'VE HAD THEM THERE BEFORE.
HAVEN'T WE? WE HAVE, DO WE HAVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS ALREADY? YEAH.
SO WE ARE IN THIS BODY AS APPROVED TO THIS YEAR THAT I'M AWARE OF.
UM, AND I BELIEVE BEFORE THAT WE HAD ONE THAT PERSON MAY BE LIVING THERE AND RENTING OUT A PORTION.
DO YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER THAT ONE WHERE THEY WERE GOING TO LIVE AND THEN RENT A ROOM OR ROOM IN THE BASEMENT OR IN A SET A SECTION OF THE HOUSE.
I THOUGHT THAT WE HAD ALREADY APPROVED, UM, SKYLINE TO STATES, UH, RE SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTALS PREVIOUSLY.
AND I JUST WANTED TO VERIFY THAT AT LEAST THE TWO THIS YEAR.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION? I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVED THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST OF ANDREW SICKLE FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL WITH CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND MANAGER ROLL CALL MRS. SHIRAKI.
MR. BUTLER, MRS. OATES, MADAM CHAIR, MR. MABE MOTION PASSES.
[F. Conditional Use Permit 2022-06-05, Jennifer Harp for a Short-Term Tourist Rental Located at 608 Venus Branch Road and Identified on Tax Map 15E, Section 4, Block 4, Lot 123A – Matt Wendling]
USE PERMIT 2022 DASH OH SIX DASH FIVE.JENNIFER HARP FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL LOCATED AT 6 0 8 VENOUS BRANCH ROAD AND IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP, 15 E SECTION FOUR BLOCK FOR LOT 1 23, A MR. WINDLEY.
YES, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THE SHORT TERM FORREST RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY SHE PURCHASED IN MAY OF 2022.
SHE PLANS TO MANAGE THE PROPERTY PERSONALLY WITH HUSBAND AND WITH ASSISTANCE FROM LOCAL PROFESSIONAL SERVICES FOR CLEANING MAINTENANCE AND, UH, GARBAGE REMOVAL.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN SHINTO FARMS AND WE RECEIVED A LETTER ON JUNE 9TH, UH, OF SUPPORT FOR THE, UH, PERMIT.
THE PROPERTY DOES MEET THE REQUIRED SETBACK.
IT'S 177 FEET FROM AN ADJACENT DWELLING.
UH, THE PROPERTY, WHEN THE, WHEN THE APPLICANT PURCHASED IT, UH, HAD A, A SMALL DRAIN FIELD AND DIDN'T, THEY DIDN'T FEEL THAT IT FULLY SERVED THE PROPERTY.
SO THEY HAVE SINCE, UH, HAD A NEW DRAIN FIELD PUT IN FOR AN, A NEW SEPTIC SYSTEM.
UM, SO THAT ALLOWED THEM TO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL AMOUNT OF OCCUPANCY FOR THE HOUSE.
AND THEY JUST RECENTLY RECEIVED THE, UH, OPERATIONAL PERMIT.
SO THE CONDITION DOES RE REFLECT THAT NEW OPERATIONAL PERMIT FOR THEIR SEPTIC SYSTEM.
UH, THE CONDITION THAT WAS MOVED FORWARD, UH, FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AGAIN, THEY WERE STANDARD CONDITIONS.
AND NUMBER TWO, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED SIX IS DETERMINED ACCORDING TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, OPERATIONAL PERMIT FOR FOUR BEDROOM DWELLING.
AND AGAIN, WE'VE ALSO ADDED THAT CONDITION REGARDING OUTDOOR BURNING IN THE USE OF FIREWORKS BY GUESTS SHALL BE PROHIBITED.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN ADVERTISED JASON PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, OWNERS NOTIFIED, UM, MRS. HARP AND HER HUSBAND ARE HERE THIS EVENING.
I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
MS. HARPER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK? MY HUSBAND PROBABLY WILL SPEAK ON OUR BEHALF GOOD EVENING.
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FITZPATRICK, I'M JENNY'S HUSBAND, UH, ONLY TWO MORE TO GO AFTER US, RIGHT.UH, SO I'LL TRY AND BE BRIEF WITH OURS.
UH, WE APPRECIATE YOU CONSIDERING THE APPLICATION.
WE'VE MADE CONSIDERABLE INVESTMENT INTO THE PROPERTY, UH, SINCE WE PURCHASED IT TO TRY AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, UH, NOT ONLY, UH, A GREAT PLACE FOR VISITORS TO COME, BUT ALSO, UH, WELL WITHIN CODE, UM, WE'VE TALKED WITH THE NEIGHBORS ON BOTH SIDES OF US.
WE ARE AWARE THAT ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORS HAS FOUR YOUNG CHILDREN AND THE OTHER ONES ARE SCHOOL TEACHERS.
SO OUR PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN ALSO INCLUDES QUIET HOURS AND OTHER CONSIDERATIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GOOD NEIGHBORS.
AND, UH, AS FAR AS DRIVING ON THE ROADS, BACK TO THE HOUSE, THERE ARE PLENTY OF DEER BACK THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU DRIVE SLOW ALSO.
SO WE'VE LISTED THAT AS A CONDITION FOR GUESTS AS WELL.
UH, IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, WE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
AND THANKS FOR CONSIDERING US.
PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD AT THIS TIME.
MS. SHAHRAKI IS ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR THIS? NO.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM AT THIS TIME? SECOND CALL, WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK THIRD AND FINAL CALL PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? DO YOU HAVE A LOCAL PERSON FOR, AS AN EMERGENCY CONTACT? YES, WE DO.
AND I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED THAT WE UPDATED THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN AND NEAR THE TOP.
YOU'LL SEE THAT WE HAVE THE PHONE NUMBER OF A PROPERTY MANAGER THAT LIVES IN SHENANDOAH FARMS NEAR US, AND IS ROUGHLY EIGHT MINUTES AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION? MADAM CHAIR? I MOVED THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVED THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST BY JENNIFER HARP FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF.
SECOND ROLL CALL, MRS. SHIRAKI.
I MRS. OATES, MR. BUTLER MOTION PASSES.
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 2022 DASH OH SIX DASH OH EIGHT.
[G. Conditional Use Permit 2022-06-06, Lyndsey DePalma and Amanda Shipe for a Short-Term Tourist Rental Located at 1945 Panhandle Road and Identified on Tax Map 35, Lot 8 – Chase Lenz]
DASH OH SIX DASH OH SIX, LINDSEY DEPALMA AND AMANDA SHITE FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL LOCATED AT 1945 PANHANDLE ROAD AND IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 35 LOT EIGHT.THE APPLICANTS ARE REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY THEY PURCHASED IN APRIL OF THIS YEAR.
THE APPLICANTS WOULD LIKE TO SHARE THE NATURAL BEAUTY OF THE WARREN COUNTY AREA BY MAKING THE PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR SHORT-TERM VISITATIONS FOR GUESTS WHEN THEY ARE NOT ENJOYING THE PROPERTY THEMSELVES, THE APPLICANTS WILL MANAGE THE PROPERTY.
PERSONALLY, THE PROPERTY IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL.
IT IS ENTIRELY SURROUNDED BY THE GEORGE WASHINGTON NATIONAL FOREST, GOT TO SEND ONE JASON PROPERTY UNDER LETTER.
UM, AND THEY DO HAVE A HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT ON FILE FOR THE SEPTIC SYSTEM, APPROVING A MAXIMUM OF SIX OCCUPANTS FOR THE DWELLING.
AND THEY HAVE SINCE RE UH, PROVIDED THEIR, THEIR PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN, UM, WHICH SHOULD BE INCLUDED.
UH, THIS DWELLING DOES ALSO MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT TO ADJACENT DWELLINGS.
IT IS A WHOPPING ONE 1500 FEET AWAY FROM THE NEAREST WELLING.
AND AS I MENTIONED, IT'S ENTIRELY SURROUNDED BY THE NATIONAL FOREST.
SO AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, WE DID A MOVE THIS FORWARD WITH THE RECOMMENDED CONDITION, NUMBER SEVEN, RESTRICTING OUT FOR BURNING AND USE OF FIREWORKS BY GUESTS AND ALL THE OTHER CONDITIONS ARE STANDARD WITH CONDITION.
NUMBER TWO, UH, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED SIX, AS DETERMINED, ACCORDING TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT FOR A THREE BEDROOM DWELLING.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED TO JASON.
THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER WAS PROPERLY NOTIFIED.
UM, AND MR. PALMA IS HERE TONIGHT.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, THANK YOU.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? THAT WILL BE BRIEF AS WELL.
UM, I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR CONSIDERING OUR PERMIT.
UM, I ACTUALLY HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF SITTING ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION FOR ARLINGTON COUNTY, WHERE WE HAVE A 50, 50 TAX BASE WOULD THAT MEANS THAT THE RESIDENTS SUPPLY 50% AND THE BUSINESSES DO REALIZING WE DON'T HAVE THE POLL HERE.
UM, THE TRANSIENT TAX DOES HELP FUND A LOT OF THE BUSINESS.
AND SO I JUST WANT TO, FOR ANYBODY, WHO'S STILL IN THE AUDIENCE THINKING ABOUT HOW THE, UM, HOW THEY ARE AFFECTED.
I WANTED TO MENTION THAT, UM, OTHER THAN THAT, WE, WE PLAN TO MANAGE THE PROPERTY OURSELVES, MY SISTER AND I INITIALLY,
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UM, LARGELY BECAUSE WE WANT TO GET THE PHONE CALL FIRST, OFTENTIMES IT'S, HOW DO I MAKE ALEXA WORK? OR, YOU KNOW, HOW DO I SET THE SMART THERMOSTAT? SO WE WANT TO GET THE PHONE CALL FIRST.WE DO HAVE, UM, SEVERAL HANDYMAN, AS WELL AS OUR CLEANING SERVICE, WHO HAS OFFERED TO BE OUR LOCAL CONTACT FOR, YOU KNOW, QUICK FIXES.
WHAT HAVE YOU? UM, ALSO MY DAD LIVES ABOUT 40 MINUTES AWAY.
I OTHERWISE LIVE A HALF AN HOUR AND A HALF AWAY, BUT, UM, WE DO PLAN TO MANAGE IT OURSELVES INITIALLY.
AND THEN, UM, ONCE WE HAVE A GOOD THING GOING THEN, WE'LL PROBABLY ENLIST THE SERVICES OF A PROFESSIONAL MANAGEMENT COMPANY.
OTHER THAN THAT, UM, MY TWO CHILDREN ARE HERE TO SUPPORT THE HOME FULL PERMIT AND, UM, WELCOME YOUR QUESTIONS.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY, MRS. SHAHRAKI DID ANYONE SIGN UP TO SPEAK ON THIS? NO.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM AT THIS TIME? SECOND CALL ANYONE LIKED TO SPEAK THIRD AND FINAL CALL PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? YES.
UH, MADAM CHAIR, JUST WANTING TO FIND OUT.
ARE THERE ANY SPECIAL RESTRICTIONS, YOU KNOW, BEING SO CLOSE TO THE NATIONAL FOREST AND STUFF? UH, ANYTHING LIKE THAT OR SPECIAL RESTRICTIONS FROM THE NATIONAL FOREST OR, YEAH, BECAUSE YOU'RE YOU'RE SO I'M JUST CURIOUS THE, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE NOISE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, OR NONE THAT I'VE FOUND YET.
HOWEVER, UM, SHOULD WE, SHOULD WE LEARN ABOUT THAT THEN? OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO BE RESPECTFUL OF THE PROPERTY AND, AND THE WILDLIFE THAT SURROUND US.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IS THERE A MOTION? I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OF LINDSAY TO PALMA AND AMANDA SHAPE FOR A SHORT-TERM TERSE WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF IS GOING TO SECOND, SECOND ROLL CALL, MRS. SHIRAKI.
MR. BUTLER, MRS. OATES, MADAM CHAIR.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT WHEN I, WHEN I SAW YOUR, YOUR SON BACK THERE AND HE KIND OF BURIED HIS HEAD, WHEN YOU MENTIONED HIM, I SAID, WELL, LET'S LET HIM SPEAK IN.
I ASKED HIM, HE WAS LIKE, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO TALK? I'M LIKE, YOU'RE GOING TO TALK.
[H. Conditional Use Permit 2022-06-07, John Clarke for a Short-Term Tourist Rental Located at 938 Fetchett Road and Identified on Tax Map 44, Lot 35B – Chase Lenz]
USE PERMIT 2022 DASH OH SIX DASH OH SEVEN.JOHN CLARK FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL LOCATED AT 9 38 FETCHIT ROAD.
AND TO IDENTIFY IT ON TAX MAP, 44 LOT 35 B MR. LENS.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY PURCHASED IN AUGUST OF 2021.
YEAH, BUT KIM WOULD LIKE TO SHARE THE BEAUTY OF THE SHENANDOAH VALLEY AND OFFSET COSTS RELATED TO THE PROPERTY BY MAKING THE PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR SHORT-TERM VISITATIONS FOR GUESTS.
WHEN HE AND HIS FAMILY ARE NOT ENJOYING THE PROPERTY THEMSELVES, THE OWNER WILL MANAGE THE PROPERTY PERSONALLY WITH ASSISTANCE FROM A NEARBY EXPERIENCE, PROFESSIONAL PROPERTY MANAGER.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS NOT LOCATED IN A SUBDIVISION AND WE DIDN'T REQUEST ANY COMMENTS RELATED TO THE ROAD MAINTENANCE.
UM, THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMANENT ON FILE APPROVING A MAXIMUM OF SIX OCCUPANTS.
AND THIS IS ALSO A WOODED AREA.
SO WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION ALSO DID MOVE THIS FORWARD WITH THE ADDED CONDITION.
NUMBER SEVEN, UH, RESTRICTING OUTDOOR BURNING AND USE OF FIREWORKS BY GUESTS.
AND THE DWELLING DOES MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT TO ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS WITH THE CLOSEST WELLING 400 FEET TO THE SOUTHEAST IS THE STANDARD CONDITIONS WITH THE ADDITIONAL OF CONDITION.
NUMBER TWO READS THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED SIX.
AS DETERMINED, ACCORDING TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT FOR A THREE BEDROOM DWELLING.
UM, THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.
JASON PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED.
UM, THEY DID RECENTLY SUBMIT THEIR PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN, WHICH SHOULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKETS.
UH, AND I BELIEVE HE'S HERE TONIGHT.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, THANK YOU.
WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? THANKS FOR YOUR TIME.
I JUST WANT TO INTRODUCE MYSELF.
UH, I'M A ROANOKE NATIVE, I'M A JMU GRADUATES.
AND, UM, LIKE WAS STATED IN MY APPLICATION.
I WANTED A PLACE FOR MYSELF, MY FAMILY AND MY DAUGHTER TO ENJOY THE BEAUTIFUL AREA.
AND, UM, AND WE ALSO APPLIED FOR THE PERMIT TO COVER THE MORTGAGE AND ALLOW OTHER FAMILIES TO ENJOY THE AREA.
UM, WE HAVE STRONG RELATIONSHIPS WITH OUR NEIGHBORS.
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I'VE SPOKEN TO THEM ABOUT THE PLAN.I'VE INFORMED THEM THAT IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO DO TO DISRUPT THE COMMUNITY AND THAT THEY CAN COME TO ME WITH ANY ISSUES.
UM, AHEAD OF TIME, I HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY ISSUES OR ANY CONCERNS, UM, ABOUT, UH, ABOUT THE PLAN OR THE APPLICATION.
UM, LIKE WE STATED, WE HAVE A EXPERIENCED PROPERTY MANAGER WHO IS NEARBY, HAS A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN THIS, THIS AREA ABOVE ALL ELSE.
WE APPRECIATE AND RESPECT THE COMMUNITY.
WE TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR OUR GUESTS AND, UM, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S IT.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? I JUST HAVE ONE.
WHEN YOU SAY YOUR PROPERTY, WHEN YOU LIVE IN CALIFORNIA.
WHEN YOU SAY YOUR PROPERTY MANAGER IS CLOSE, HOW CLOSE IS CLOSE? HE'S HE'S IN FRONT ROW.
IT'S ABOUT 25 MINUTES TO, TO THE CABIN.
IS THAT JIMMY CUNNINGHAM THAT YOU HAVE LISTED, SIR? YES, MA'AM.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? OKAY.
IS THIS ROCKY? DID ANYONE SIGN UP TO SPEAK? UH, YES.
MADAM CHAIR, BUT IT WAS MR. MUNIZ AND I BELIEVE HE'S AT THE HOSPITAL NOW WITH HIS WIFE.
SO YOU WANTED TO SPEAK ON MY APPLICATION.
HE MUST'VE CHOSEN THE WALMART.
MAYBE IT WILL GIVE ME A LITTLE BIT OF GRACE.
WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM AT THIS TIME? SECOND CALL ANYONE LIKED TO SPEAK THIRD AND FINAL CALL PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSIONS HEARING NONE.
IS THERE A MOTION AND I'M SURE I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST OF JOHN CLARK FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND ROLL CALL, MRS. SHIRAKI.
[I. Conditional Use Permit 2022-06-08, Royal Oak Estates, LLC (Larry Himelright) for a Cluster Housing Development Located at 0 Reliance Road and Identified on Tax Map 11, Lots 8E, 12, 13 and 14 – Matt Wendling]
PERMIT 2022 DASH OH SIX DASH EIGHT, ROYAL OAK, A STEAKS LLC, ROYAL LARRY HEMEL.WRITE FOR A CLUSTER HOUSING DEVELOPMENT LOCATED AT ZERO RELIANCE ROAD AND IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP.
11 LOTS EIGHT E 12, 13 AND 14.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A CLUSTER HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WOULD CONSIST OF 40 LOTS UNDER 10 ACRES IN SIZE BY RIGHT.
THE APPLICANT COULD DO 24 LOTS, UH, WITH, UH, UNDER 10 ACRES IN SIZE BY RIGHT.
HE IS ALSO INCLUDED SEVEN LOTS GREATER THAN 10 ACRES IN SIZE IN AN OPEN SPACE, LOT OF 64.616 ACRES, LOTS WITHIN DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT WILL BE SERVED BY A NEWLY DEDICATED STREET THAT MEETS THE STANDARDS FOR ACCEPTANCE INTO THE STATE HIGHWAY SYSTEM.
AND A MINIMUM OF 60% DEVELOPMENT SHALL EITHER BE PRESERVED IN OPEN SPACE OR SUBJECT TO A PERPETUAL EASEMENT, PRESERVING IT IN AGRICULTURAL AND OR FORESTALL USES SUCH PERPETUAL EASEMENT SHALL BE DEEDED TO THE WARREN COUNTY AND SHALL PREVENT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY FOR OTHER THAN NON-STRUCTURAL AGRICULTURAL AND FOREST OR USES THE NUMBERS WE PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
60% EQUALS 110 ACRES, 1.6 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE AND 40% 73.4, FOUR ACRES OF DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT INCLUDE THOSE SEVEN, 10 ACRE LOTS, UH, PRO AND THESE NUMBERS WERE PROVIDED BY MR. HEMPHILL, RIGHT? UM, THE PROPERTY HAS NOT HAD ANY PREVIOUS CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS ISSUED FOR USES IN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT.
HOWEVER, THERE WAS A SIMILAR APPLICATION SUBMITTED IN 2007 AND 2021, AND EACH WERE WITHDRAWN PRIOR TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION PUBLIC HEARINGS.
UH, WE HAVE RECEIVED COMMENTS FROM
I WILL READ A PORTION OF THOSE COMMENTS, UM, BUT THEY HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN THEIR PACKETS.
UM, A PORTION OF THOSE COMMENTS STATE THAT THE ROUTE 6 27 IS A RURAL COLLECTOR ROADWAY WITH POOR GEOMETRY CARRYING 2,700 TRIPS PER DAY.
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AND THEN ALSO IT STATES LATER WE HAVE SAFETY CONCERNS WITH THE ENTRANCE LOCATION MEETING THE STATE'S MINIMUM REQUIREMENT AND INTERSECTION AND STOPPING SIGHT DISTANCE.A DETAILED SITE DISTANCE PLAN AND PROFILE SHOULD BE SUBMITTED TO THIS OFFICE FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE SUBDIVISION.
AND SO THAT WOULD BE IF THE SUBDIVISION WERE APPROVED, IF THIS CUP WERE APPROVED, THAT SUBDIVISION PLAT WOULD HAVE TO BE PROVIDED.
AND, AND TH THAT DATA FOR, UH, V DOT, UM, WOULD HAVE TO BE PROVIDED.
UM, STAFF HAS PROVIDED, UH, THE BOARD WITH, UH, THE CLUSTER HOUSING DEVELOPMENT CONDITIONS.
I WILL FOREGO READING THE THEM, THEY ARE EXTENSIVE, BUT THERE ARE, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT A FEW ITEMS REGARDING TO OUR COMPATIBILITY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, CHAPTER FOUR, SECTION ONE GROWTH MANAGEMENT LAND ISSUES, UH, DIRECT DEVELOPMENT, TWO CONTIGUOUS AREAS WITHIN ROYAL OR WARREN OR VILLAGES THAT ARE SERVED, OR WILL BE SERVED WITH ADEQUATE PUBLIC FACILITIES, SUCH AS ROADS, SEWER, AND WATER, THIS DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S AN, AND THIS IS MY COMMENT.
THE COMMENTS, THIS DEVELOPMENT IS NOT CONTIGUOUS WITH RURAL VILLAGE OR OF RELIANCE OR TOWN OF FRONT ROW.
THE PROPOSAL IS FOR PRIVATE WELL AND SEWAGE, PRIVATE SEWAGE DISPOSAL SYSTEMS. UM, AND THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT WOULD BE THE ONES TO ADDRESS, UH, THOSE, UM, UH, PERMITS IF, IF THIS WAS TO MOVE FORWARD.
UH, ALSO, UM, AND AGAIN, I'D JUST LIKE TO GO DOWN A FEW OF THESE, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO ADDRESS, UM, LIMITED FUTURE SUBURBAN SPRAWL AND RURAL AND AGRICULTURAL AREAS WHERE ADEQUATE PUBLIC FACILITIES DO NOT EXIST OR WHERE THEIR PROVISION WOULD NOT BE COST EFFICIENT PUBLIC FACILITIES IN OUR COMMENTS, PUBLIC FACILITIES DO NOT CURRENTLY EXIST IN THE AGRICULTURAL AREAS IN THE COUNTY.
UM, AS FAR AS, UH, PRESERVATION OF FARMLAND, UH, WARREN COUNTY CODE FOR, FOR THESE CLUSTER SUBDIVISIONS DOES REQUIRE THAT MINIMUM OF 60% OF THE LAND SHALL BE EITHER PRESERVED IN OPEN SPACE OR SUBJECT TO PERPETUAL EASEMENT, PRESERVING IT IN AGRICULTURAL ENFORCED OR USES, UM, TO ADDRESS, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS THAT HAVE NATURAL DEVELOPMENT CONSTRAINTS.
THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN DESIGNED TO PRESERVE STEEP SLOPE AREAS TO BE BUFFERED FROM MOLLY CAMPBELL RUN, AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO RUN UP A PROP, PROVIDE IN AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT IN THE DESIGN OF THIS, UH, SUBDIVISION, THE APPLICANT, MOST OF THOSE, UH, AREAS THAT YOU SEE IN THE 10 ACRE, LOTS ENCOMPASS, UH, AREAS THAT HAVE DEEP, DEEPER RAVINES, THAT KIND OF THING.
SO THAT'S WHY A GOOD PORTION OF THOSE WERE KEPT IN THE OPEN SPACE AND LEFT OUT OF THE AREAS WHERE THERE THOSE SMALLER LOTS, UM, AND TO ADDRESS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHAPTER FOUR, SECTION FOUR, RURAL CHARACTER AND AGRICULTURAL PRESERVATION.
AGAIN, WE ADDRESSED THE, THE, THE SET ASIDE A 60%, UM, IN THAT SECTION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, DEVELOP BUFFER ZONES TO REDUCE, UH, POTENTIAL CONFLICTS BETWEEN CLUSTER DEVELOPMENTS AND NON-COMPATIBLE USES SUCH AS FARMING AND LARGE COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT CURRENTLY DOES NOT PROVIDE BUFFERING BETWEEN DEVELOPMENT AND FARMLANDS TO THE NORTHEAST OR NORTHWEST.
OKAY, THAT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HAVE NOW.
UM, AND THEN ADD TO CLUSTER AS ACCESS TO CLUSTER ELEMENTS SHALL BE LIMITED TO THOSE NECESSARY FOR SAFE INGRESS AND EGRESS OF RESIDENTS AND IMMERSIAL EMERGENCY VEHICLES.
STAFF COMMENTS ARE THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT ONLY HAS ONE ACCESS POINT ONCE YOU RELIANCE ROAD.
AND JUST A COUPLE MORE, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
UM, ONE OF THE OTHER, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, GOALS IS TO AVOID SIGNIFICANT, SIGNIFICANT MODIFICATION OF EXISTING TERRAIN AND PROHIBIT DEVELOPMENT OF ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS, SUCH AS FLOODPLAINS AND STEEP SLOPES.
THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN DESIGNED TO PRESERVE STEEP SLOPES AND BE BUFFERED FROM MOLLY CAMPBELL RUN AS PART OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS THAT DEVELOPER SHALL PROVIDE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT PER THE REGULATIONS OF THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA AND WARREN COUNTY.
UH, NUMBER G DESIGNATE SOME OF THE MOST SCENIC, UH, ROADS IN THE COUNTY OF THE SCENIC BYWAYS HIGHWAYS AND BYWAYS, UH,
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THEREBY PRESERVING SCENIC, RURAL VIEWS AND VISTAS RELIANCE ROAD STATE ROUTE 6 29 IS NOT DESIGNATED AS A SCENIC BYWAY AT THIS TIME.UM, AND THEN LASTLY, I'LL JUST MENTION, THIS PROVIDES STRICT CONTROLS TO LIMIT ACCESS ALONG MAJOR HIGHWAYS, SUCH AS ROUTES 55, 3 40 AND 5 22 TO PROVIDE RESERVE ROAD WAY CAPACITY DECREASE, CONGESTION AND IMPROVE SAFETY, UH, STAFF COMMENTS, OR THE LOCATION IS, IS LOCATED ON RELIANCE ROAD, APPROXIMATELY 2.8 MILES FROM ROUTE 3 45 22.
UH, AND IT IS A, UH, MAJOR, UM, ROUTE, UH, ACCESS ROUTE OTHER THAN 66, BETWEEN THE TOWN OF MIDDLETOWN AND CEDAR VILLE AREA OF WARREN COUNTY.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.
ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS ARE NOTIFIED.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING, UM, AND I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE OF ME AT THIS TIME.
WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? MY NAME IS LARRY HAMMERITE, UH, LIVE AT 6,904 REDBUD ROAD IN STROUDSBURG.
I AM A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL LAND SURVEYOR, BUT I'M NOT HERE IN THAT COMPACITY TONIGHT.
I'M HERE AS ONE OF THE OWNERS OVER TRACK, I LAND ON RELIANCE ROAD.
THE OTHER OWNERS IS IN THE NAME OF JERRY HAMMOND ESTATE.
KEVIN IS THE ADMINISTRATOR OF THE STATE.
HE'S HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE FOR THAT.
UM, I DO ASK THAT, UM, MADISON, YOU HAVE THESE COPIES OF THE CONCEPT PLAN, BOTH OF THE LOTS AND THE CONTOURS, IS THAT CORRECT? BECAUSE THIS CAN MAKE A LOT, HE SURE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.
I DO COME PREPARED, HAVE A POCKET OF NITROGLYCERIN TABLETS.
SO HOPEFULLY I WON'T NEED THEM, BUT YOU DON'T NEED A METER, BUT I'M PROUD TO BE 79.
I HAVE SIX DEATHS IN A BLOCKED ARTERY AND I'M STILL GOING.
SO THAT'S A GOOD, I'M NOT SURE YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT ALL I CAN TELL YOU.
UM, THE PROPERTY, AS MADISON SAID, IS A AG ZONE PROPERTY.
IT'S 183 ACRES, UH, TOTALLY WOODED.
UM, THE 24 LOTS AS MY OTHER SET OR BY RIGHT.
I DO WANT TO POINT OUT, UH, THE BUY-RITE LOTS DO NOT, CANNOT HAVE IMPACT FEES, CANNOT HAVE PROFFERS, CANNOT BE SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS.
AND IF THEY ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SUBDIVISION ZONING ORDINANCE, THAT CANNOT BE DENIED, OBVIOUSLY THE 16 THAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH TONIGHT, AND THERE WAS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, SO THEY CAN COME WITH CONDITIONS.
SO, AND UNLESS MRS. JORDAN CORRECT ME, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY WAY TO EXTEND THE CONDITIONS THAT YOU MIGHT IMPLY ON THE 16 TO THE BAR, RIGHT? 24, IS THAT CORRECT? UM, BUT THERE ARE MATT, CAN YOU CLARIFY THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF LOTS? WELL, HE'S APPLIED FOR, WELL, HE'S SHOWING 47.
THE CLUSTERING OF THE SUBDIVISION WOULD BE 40 LOTS TOTAL FOR THE, AS, UH, AS THE CUP WOULD APPROVE.
AND THAT'S THE CONDITIONS FOR THE CUP ARE BASED ARE HERE.
AND THAT WOULD APPLY TO THE 40, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THOSE 24 THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN BY RIGHT NOW BY RIGHT.
UH, AGAIN, WE WOULD, WE WOULD MANDATE THAT IT RE IT, MET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR ALL OUTSIDE AGENCIES AND THE S THE SUBDIVISION AND ZONING REQUIREMENTS OF, OF SUBDIVISION, ZONING ORDINANCES.
THE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS HERE THAT WE ARE PLAYING ARE ART TO BE PLACED ON THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
THAT'S WHAT THESE CONDITIONS ARE PROPOSED FOR.
I'M NOT SURE THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION, BUT CORRECT.
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BUT ONCE WE PASSIVE OR THE 24 LOTS, AND WE HAVE MORE LOTS THAN, IT'S NO LONGER BY RIGHT AS SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.I KNOW OF, NO, THAT IS CORRECT.
I KNOW OF NO STATE LAW THAT ALLOWS THE COUNTY TO REMOVE THE BOWEL RIGHTS AWAY.
RIGHT? LOT THE WAY OUR COUNTY CODE IS WRITTEN AS IF YOU DO 24, LOTS OR LESS THAN YOU CAN DO THEM BY, RIGHT.
BUT ONCE YOU EXCEED THAT AMOUNT, THEN IT'S SUBJECT TO THE REGULATIONS SET IN OUR COUNTY CODE.
WELL, THAT'S NOT EXACTLY THE WAY THE ORANGE READS THE ORDINANCE REASON THAT THOSE CONDITIONS WOULD PLAY AT THE LOTS 7, 8, 9, AND 10.
IT'S NOT THAT IMPORTANT TO ME.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 60 YEARS.
BUT ANYWAY, THE IMPORTANT THINGS IS THAT IS NOT BECAUSE WE BOTH KNOW ANY DEVELOPER WITH ANY SENSE AT ALL, IS GOING TO TREAT ALL THE LOTS THE SAME WAY.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A LITTLE BUNCH OF 16, LOTS DOING ONE THING AND 24 SOMEWHERE ELSE, TOO.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, KIND OF BRING OUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK ARE IMPORTANT ABOUT THIS THAT ARE UNIQUE.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE CONCEPT DRAWING, YOU'LL SEE THAT VIRTUALLY ALL THE LOTS, EITHER BACK UP TO A BOUNDARY OR BACK UP TO AN A 10 ACRE TRACK.
SO IN ESSENCE, ALMOST EVER HOUSED WILL NOT HAVE SOMEONE DIRECTLY BEHIND THEM.
I KNOW YOU'RE SAYING THE 10 ACRES, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE CONTOURS, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE ONE ACRE TRACKS ARE CLUSTERED ON THE TABLETOPS FOR FLAT AREAS AND THAT THE 10 ACRE TRACKS TAKE UP THE HEAVY CONTOURS AND THE DRAIN WAYS.
SO IN ESSENCE, NINE OUT OF THOSE 10 ACRES ARE NOT GOING TO BE BUILT ON, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A HOUSE SITE WITH AN ACRE.
THE REST IS GOING TO BE DRAINED WAY, WHICH YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DEAL DEAL WITH.
SO WHEN MATT SAYS I'VE GOT 64 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE IN PRACTICALITY, I PROBABLY GOT MORE LIKE 120 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE, BECAUSE MOST OF THOSE 10 ACRE TRACKS WON'T BE USED OR YOU'LL HAVE YOUR HOUSE OR RAJ, THE REST IS GOLLY.
NOW YOU THINK WHO WOULD WANT THAT? A LOT OF PEOPLE BELIEVE ME, I'M A SURVEYOR THE FACT THAT PEOPLE KNOW THAT THEY HAVE THAT AREA, THAT THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANYBODY BEHIND THEM AND FOREVER.
SO I EXPECT THAT A VERY LARGE PORTION OF THOSE 70 ACRES ARE GONNA CONTINUE AS THEY ARE RIGHT NOW.
UM, THE, I DON'T KNOW WHERE I DON'T KNOW ANY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS, SO I'M NOT SURE WHETHER YOU LIVE ON AN IN-TOWN LOT OR A HUNDRED ACRES, BUT I DO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE NOT VISUALIZING THIS ONE ACRE SUBDIVISION IN THE SAME PICTURE AS AN IN TOWN LOT, MOST IN TOWN, LOTS CONTAIN ABOUT 8,000 SQUARE FEET.
THE MINIMUM SIZE OF THESE LOTS IS 43,560 SQUARE FEET OR FIVE AND A HALF TIMES AS MUCH.
SO THINGS YOU CAN DO ON THESE, YOU CAN'T DO IN TOWN.
I MEAN, YOU CAN HAVE, UH, A GARDEN, HUGE ONE.
YOU CAN HAVE A DETACHED GARAGE WORKSHOP.
YOU CAN HAVE FRUIT TREES, JUST ALL KINDS OF THINGS.
AND IF YOU'RE, IF YOU DON'T WANT THAT, THEN YOU CLEAR YOUR HOUSE SITE, YOUR DRAIN FIELD, AND YOU'RE SURROUNDED BY THE TREES.
SO YOU CAN HAVE EITHER PRIVACY OR YOU CAN EXPAND IT.
NO ONE, IF YOU'RE CONCERNED THAT ALL THESE TREES COULD BE TAKEN OUT, THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
NOBODY'S GOING TO PAY THE PRICE TO DECLARE AN ACRE OF LAND, TO BUILD A HOUSE IT'S JUST TOO EXPENSIVE FOR THAT.
UM, MATT TOUCHED ON SOMETHING.
I MIGHT AS WELL ADDRESS IT NOW, UH, THE ENTRANCE TO THIS PROPERTY OFF OF
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RELIANCE ROAD, HAVING WORKED FOR THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT FOR 10 YEARS.SO IT'S KIND OF IN MY, THE ENTRANCE PERMIT FROM THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT IS BASED SOLELY ON ONE THING.
SIGHT DISTANCE IS BASED ON ONE THING, AND THAT'S THE POSTED SPEED OF THE ROAD.
AND THIS CASE RELIANCE ROAD IS POSTED AS 45 MILES AN HOUR.
SO YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE 510 FEET OF SIGHT TESTS.
NOW IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THAT SITE HAS TO MEET IT.
NOW IT MEANS CAN IT MEET IT AFTER THE ENGINEER DESIGNS, THE ENTRANCE OR REALIGNS THE CONNECTOR? SO A SITE VISIT AT THIS STAGE BY V DOT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING.
IT'S WHEN THE ENGINEER SUBMITS THE DRAWING FOR THE ENTRANCE AND THE REALIGNMENT OF THE ROADWAY.
AND BELIEVE ME, IT DID NOT DO MUCH FOR MY EGO TO HEAR SOMEONE QUESTIONED A SURVEYOR WITH 60 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, 10 OF THOSE FOR THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT WOULD PROPOSE A 47 LOSS SUBDIVISION WITHOUT FIRST MAKING SURE THAT THE ENTRANCE COULD BE CONNECTED.
I ASSURE THIS BOARD THAT, THAT INTEREST'S PERMIT WILL BE, CAN BE GOTTEN.
I'VE PHYSICALLY CHECKED IT IN A NO.
ALSO THERE'S MENTION OF A, UH, AN ALTERNATE ENTRANCE.
I DO HAVE A VERBAL AGREEMENT WITH THE PEOPLE BEHIND LOTS, FOUR AND FIVE TO ALLOW A EMERGENCY ACCESS ACROSS THEIR PROPERTY.
BY THAT, I MEAN, THERE WILL BE ONLY FAR RESCUE AND POLICE.
THERE WILL BE A GATE AT THE BOUNDARY LINE OF THE SUBDIVISION PROPERTY.
IT WILL BE LOCKED AND ONLY FAR RESCUE AND POLICE WILL BE ABLE TO ACCESS.
IN OTHER WORDS, NO ONE LIVING IN THE SUBDIVISION WILL BE ABLE TO USE THAT ROUTE, BUT IF THE MAIN ENTRANCE IS BLOCKED, THEN THE FA AND FAR RESCUE AND POLICE CAN USE THIS ALTERNATE WAY OF ENTERING.
UM, I GUESS THE OTHER THING THAT I'VE HEARD ABOUT SOME IT'S NOT IN HERE, BUT, UH, ABOUT, UH, BUFFERING AGAINST THE EXTERIOR BOUNDARY, UM, I'M SURE THERE WILL BE ONE.
I DID NOT WANT TO TIE FUTURE DEVELOPERS HANDS BY DOING IT.
NOW I SAW STRONGLY SUSPECT THAT THE DEVELOPER WILL DO SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT I DO.
I HAVE A, I AM DEVELOPING A CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT IN BROWNTOWN AREA, AND NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE A BUFFER AGAINST THE OUTSIDE, WE HAVE A TWENTY-FIVE FOOT BUFFER BETWEEN EACH SIDE OF EACH LAW TO HAVE TO BE KEPT THAT WAY.
SO NO ONE CAN TOTALLY CLEAR LOCK TO THE BOUNDARY.
SO YOU ALWAYS HAVE THAT 50 FOOT STRIP BETWEEN, AND I STRONGLY SUSPECT THAT WE'LL BE COMING IN AS ONE OF THE, UH, THINGS THAT THE FUTURE, UH, DEVELOPER WILL MAKE.
PART OF THE OTHER THING IS THERE'S ONLY FOUR HOUSES IN THIS AREA CLOSE TO IT.
I HAVEN'T, I HAVEN'T STOOD IN THEIR YARD, BUT I'M ALMOST A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE THAT EVERY ONE OF THEM EITHER HAS TREE COVER ON THEIR PROPERTY OR ON THEIR NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY THAT WOULD PREVENT THEM FROM VIEWING THE HOUSES IN THIS SUBDIVISION.
SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S REALLY GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, AN ISSUE.
UM, WE'VE DEALT WITH IT, THEY, IN YOUR PACKET, UH, THERE SHOULD BE A HYDRAULIC STUDY DID IN 1909.
THAT'S A LONG TIME, 2005, UH, SAYING THAT THERE IS ADEQUATE WATER TO SERVICES CELL DIVISION EITHER BY A CENTRAL SYSTEM OR BY INDIVIDUAL WELLS.
ALSO A LOCAL SOLE SCIENTIST HAS FOUND 37 SITES.
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AS IDENTIFIED 37 SITES.SO I DON'T THINK THE THREE ADDITIONAL SITES ARE GOING TO BE THERE IS STILL, SINCE I'M NOT GOING TO BE A DEVELOPER, I CANNOT TELL HER, BUT THERE IS STILL A GOOD LIKELIHOOD.
THERE WILL BE A CENTRAL WATER SYSTEM AND A POSSIBILITY THAT THERE WILL BE A CENTRAL SEWER SYSTEM.
THERE IS A DOCUMENT ON RECORD SAYING THAT JACKSON CHASE'S WATER AND SEWER IS COMMITTED TO SERVICES PROPERTY.
THE PROBLEM WAS IT'S SHORT ON DETAILS.
SO THE DOCUMENT IS THERE, BUT IT DOESN'T SAY WHO PAYS FOR WHAT AND SO ON.
AND SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT OTHER DEVELOPER MIGHT WORK.
UM, UM, TRYING TO THINK OF ANYTHING ELSE THAT I MIGHT TELL YOU THAT WOULD BE A VALUE.
UM, I WILL, WELL, I WILL SAY THIS.
I, THE BASED ON MY ESTIMATE OF, UH, WHAT THESE HOUSES ARE GONNA SELL FOR WHEN THIS IS BUILT OUT, IT SHOULD GENERATE ABOUT $175,000 A YEAR AND REAL ESTATE TAXES.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IN, UH, IN AUTO AND OTHER TAXES, SO IT PROBABLY WILL PAY FOR ITSELF, UH, THAT ROUTE IT'LL ALSO PROVIDE, UH, CUSTOMERS FOR THE LOCAL STORES.
AND SO I KNOW I'M PROBABLY FORGETTING SOMETHING, BUT, UH, THAT WAS, UH, PAM, THERE WAS TWO LADIES BACK THERE.
ONE'S A WIFE AND ONE'S MY DAUGHTER.
IF I TAKE THE TWINS, THEREBY SAYS THEY LOOK ALIKE.
ANYWAY, MY DAUGHTER SAID, DAD, SAY WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY, SHUT UP, SIT DOWN.
SO I'M GOING TO TAKE HER ADVICE.
UH, I WILL TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTION YOU HAVE.
UM, AS I SAY, UH, I OWED THAT TO THE CITIZENS OF WARREN COUNTY BECAUSE 60% OF MY SURVEY IN BUSINESSES WAS IN WARREN COUNTY.
SO I WOULDN'T BE PROPOSING THIS UNLESS I THOUGHT IT WAS BENEFICIAL FOR THE CITIZENS.
I HAVE NO INTEREST AND DOING ANYTHING THAT WOULD HARM ANYONE, BUT YOU GUYS ARE THE ONES WITH THE ANSWERS.
YOU WILL MAKE THE DECISION YOU THINK IS BEST AND, UH, WHATEVER YOU DO, UH, WILL STILL KEEP YOU ALL MY CHRISTMAS CARD LIST.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL TRY TO ANSWER THEM.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM MR. HEMORRHOID AT THIS TIME? MADAM CHAIR OUT, I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR MR. WENDLING.
UM, SO THEY, SO I UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, THAT THIS IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
AND ARE THERE DIFFERENT TYPES OF SPECIAL USE PERMITS? NO.
WELL, THIS IS, IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
THERE ARE CONDITIONAL, UM, THERE ARE DIFFERENT, WELL, A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS THAT IS JUST WHAT IT IS.
IT'S THAT AN ADDITIONAL CONDITION THAT YOU CAN DO OTHER THAN WHAT YOU COULD DO BY, RIGHT? OR, UH, BY ASSESSORY BY RIGHT.
UH, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE BY RIGHT, THE COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE ALLOWS FOR SIX SLOTS PER PARENT PARCEL.
UM, WE'RE DEALING WITH FOUR LOTS AS FROM WHAT MR. UH, HEMEL WRIGHT HAS PROVIDED.
THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT ALLOWS FOR ADDITIONAL FOUR, LOTS FOR A TOTAL OF 10, LOTS PER PARENT PARCEL.
SO EFFECTIVELY TONIGHT'S APPLICATION IS FOR THAT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THOSE ADDITIONAL LOTS PER PARENT PARCEL, WHICH WOULD EQUATE THE FORD.
TH THE ONLY REASON I ASKED THIS IS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, I'VE HEARD, YOU KNOW, THE DISCUSSION, YOU KNOW, PRIOR TO THIS, THAT ON A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
SO LIKE, IF SOMEBODY, IF IT'S PART OF THE CONDITIONAL USE THAT THEY'RE NOT BURNING FIRES OUTSIDE, AND THEN SOMEBODY BURNS A FIRE OUTSIDE, THEY CAN REVOKE THAT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
BUT IN THIS CASE, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PERMANENT STRUCTURES THERE.
SO I'M JUST KIND OF STRANGE VOCA CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT ONCE.
I'M SORRY TO INTERJECT, I DON'T MEAN TO INTERFERE WITH MATHS, BUT THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT ONCE YOU HAVE APPROVED THAT IT, UH, IT WAS PERMANENT AS LONG AS I COMPLY WITH WHAT THE STAFF'S
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CONDITIONS THAT THEY'VE PUT ON IT, BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE 40 HOUSES THERE.AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE A VERY DIFFICULT SITUATION TO DO IT.
AND I, AND THAT I CAN'T, I MEAN, I'M MARKETING THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I'M HERE.
I'M, I'M MARKETING 24 LOTS, I'M A MARKETING 40 LINES.
AND ONCE I TELL A BUYER THAT I HAVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, THEY'RE GOING TO ASSUME THAT THAT IS GOOD THROUGH THE DESIGN, BUILDING EVERYTHING.
I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION.
I WOULD LIKE TO CORRECT YOU AS FAR AS THE CONDITION, THE STATUS OF CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS.
AND THIS IS YOU HAVE BASICALLY A TWO YEAR TIME PERIOD TO ESTABLISH THAT USE SO YOU CAN MARKET IT AS MUCH AS YOU WANT.
AND THEN WHOEVER THE NEW APPLICANT, NEW PURCHASER, THEY WOULD HAVE TO SHOW SOME SORT OF PROGRESS, WHETHER IT BE SUBMISSION OF A SUBDIVISION PLAT, YOU KNOW, ADDRESSING OUTSIDE AGENCIES, THAT KIND OF THING.
OTHERWISE AT THAT TWO YEAR TIME PERIOD, THE APPLICANT, THE PROPERTY OWNER AT THAT TIME COULD REQUEST AN EXTENSION, BUT THE WAY OUR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PRO UH, LANGUAGE IS WITH OUR ZONING IS, IS THAT IF THAT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT HAS NOT HAD ANY PROGRESS OR ANYTHING DONE REGARDING IT, AFTER THE APPROVAL, TWO YEARS AFTER THAT DATE, THEN EFFECTIVELY, IT BECOMES EXPIRED.
OKAY, WELL, JUST TO CLARIFY THAT IT'S NOT FOREVER AND ANY FUTURE DEVELOPER WHO PURCHASES THIS PROPERTY FROM YOU, IF IT, IF IT, IF THE CUP IS TO APPROVE, IT WOULD, UH, IT DOES GO TO THEM.
THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO DO AN ADMINISTRATIVE, UH, REQUEST FOR NAME CHANGE, AND WE WOULD ADDRESS, UH, THE CONDITIONS WITH THEM AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AND EXPLAIN TO THEM WHAT THE SUBDIVISION PROCESS WOULD BE IN, IN DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
AND OBVIOUSLY, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT, YEAH, I'M NOT GOING TO SET ON $2 MILLION PROPERTY TWO YEARS WITHOUT DOING SOME, I'LL BE HONEST WITH THIS GROUP.
UM, IF I GET TO 16, I CAN MARK IT.
IF I DON'T GET TO 16, I CAN'T MARKET IT AS A SMALL LOT SUBDIVISION BECAUSE RYAN HOLMES D R HORTON, UH, NONE OF THOSE BUILDERS ARE GOING TO BE INTERESTED IN A 24 LOT RULE.
YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE COST FOR 24, LOTS IS TOO MUCH PER LOT.
IT DOESN'T TAKE A GENIUS TO KNOW IF YOU DIVIDE A NUMBER BY 24, OR IF YOU DIVIDE IT BY 40 IT'S DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT.
SO, UH, FINANCIALLY THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT.
SO IN THAT CASE, UH, IF I DON'T GET INTEREST IN A FAIRLY CLOSE FUTURE, I HAVE AN ALTERNATE WAY OF DEVELOPING THE PROPERTY THAT DOES NOT NEED A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
UM, DOESN'T HAVE TO COME BEFORE PLANNING.
DOESN'T HAVE TO COME BEFORE A PLANNING COMMISSION.
I SHOULD SAY, THERE'S NOTHING.
DON'T GO FOR PLANNING AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO COME FROM HERE.
I MEAN, IF I HAVE TO, I'LL GO THAT ROUTE.
I'M PROPOSING THIS BECAUSE I THINK IT'S BENEFICIAL, BUT IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. HEMMEL RIGHT AT THIS TIME, MRS. SHIRAKI HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? NO.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? YES, SIR.
IF YOU WOULD COME UP MR. HAWAII, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THE FLOOR TO OTHER SPEAKERS.
UM, I JUST LEARNED ABOUT THIS TODAY, AS A MATTER OF FACT, UH, THAT'S ON ME.
LIKE I SAID, IT WAS ADVERTISED, BUT MY MAIN CONCERN ABOUT DEVELOPED DOWN THERE AT ALL.
IT'S JUST THE TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD RIGHT NOW.
I BOUGHT IT FROM WHERE I LIVED FOUR YEARS AGO AND I'VE BEEN THERE THREE YEARS AND IT'S, IT'S GROWN EVERY YEAR SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE.
AND THAT'S MY MAIN CONCERN IS THE SAFETY ON THE ROAD.
CAUSE THAT RELIANCE ROAD IS NOT, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT, IT'S A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE.
IT'S ALREADY GOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC AND I DON'T REALLY FEEL THAT IT NEEDS ANY MORE THAT CAN ALREADY HANDLE IT.
CAUSE WE'RE ALREADY GETTING HIT FROM MIDDLETOWN, WITH HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS THAT THEY'RE PUTTING IN THERE.
AND I THINK YOU SHOULD BE A CONCERN.
ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME?
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WELL, LET ME KILL YOU.YOU'VE GOT TO GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO SECOND CALL ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK THIRD CALL.
PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED MR. HOMER, RIGHT? IF YOU WANT TO REBUTTAL TIME, YOU HAVE IT.
UM, I THINK THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, FIRST OF ALL, UM, UM, THE VEHICLES PER DAY, THAT THIS HAS REPORTS PROJECTS, WHICH WAS 10 PER HOUSEHOLD.
UH, I WORKED FOR THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT AND LATE SIXTIES.
THAT WAS THE FIGURE WE USED IN THE LATE SIXTIES.
I WAS MOSTLY, YOU HAVEN'T CHANGED THEM BASED ON THE COVID-19.
EVERYONE SAT IN HERE AND KNOWS AT LEAST 20 PEOPLE HAD USED TO DRIVE TO WORK WHO NOW WORK FROM HOME.
SO THAT FIGURE'S VERY OUTDATED.
THE OTHER THING IS THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED ALMOST EXACTLY HALFWAY BETWEEN MIDDLETOWN AND 81 FOR A ROLE 5 22 AND 66.
SO THIS TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE SPLIT.
I DON'T KNOW WHICH TRAFFIC'S GOING, WHICH DIRECTION, BUT OBVIOUSLY NOT EVERYONE WHO COMES OUT OF THAT ENTRANCE IS GOING TO GO TO 5 22.
NOT ALL OF THEM ARE GOING TO GO TO 81.
THE OTHER THING I WANT TO NOTE IS IN 60 YEARS OF WORKING IN WARREN COUNTY, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S NOT A ROAD IN WARREN COUNTY.
I HAVEN'T BEEN ON A HUNDRED TIMES AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT OVER THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THIS ROAD, IT IS ONE OF THE SAFEST ROADS AND WARREN COUNTY.
NOW, AM I TELLING YOU THERE WON'T BE ANY ACCIDENTS ON THE STROKE COURSE, NOT THAT THEY'RE COMING, BUT I WILL TELL YOU THIS.
IF, IF, IF YOU CAN ALLOW DEVELOPMENT ON HER LION'S ROAD, YOU DON'T HAVE VERY MANY ROADS IN WARREN COUNTY THAT YOU CAN ALLOW DEVELOPMENT ON.
IT IS A VERY, UH, OVERALL, A VERY SAFE ROUTE.
ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. HAMILL, RIGHT AT THIS TIME? CAN I RUN MY MOUTH FOR A MINUTE? I GUESS YOU CAN APPRECIATE THAT.
WELL, W FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS YOU'RE PUTTING IN 47 UNITS OR FORTH 40 UNITS.
UH, WELL THE 10 COUNT IN THE SEVEN TOWNS, THAT'LL BE 47 TOTAL CAT.
I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO BE THE FIRST FROM FRONT ROYAL TO MIDDLETOWN, THAT'S GOING TO TAKE A FARM AND TURN IT INTO RESIDENTIAL.
WELL, IT'S ACTUALLY ALL WOODED, BUT BASICALLY THE SAYING IS THAT, AM I INCORRECT THERE? UM, BECAUSE PEOPLE THAT ARE WAR FARMERS FOR WHATEVER REASON ARE CHOOSING NOT TO BE FARMERS ANYMORE, THEY'RE GIVING IT TO THEIR KIDS.
THEIR KIDS DON'T WANT IT AND THEY'RE SELLING IT OFF AND IT CAN TURN INTO DEVELOPMENTS IT'S HAPPENING IN WINCHESTER.
WE'RE LOOKING AT IT HAPPENING BETWEEN FRONT ROYAL AND MIDDLETOWN.
YOU'RE PROBABLY THE FIRST FROM WHAT I, FROM WHAT I, I KNOW OF, NO OTHER PROJECT OF THIS SIZE, SOMEONE IS DOING ONE SLIGHTLY BACK TOWARDS, UH, 5 22 MATH.
DO YOU KNOW WHICH ONE THAT IS? THERE'S THREE OR FOUR NEW HOUSES GOING IN? UH, YOU TALKING ABOUT THE GROOVER GRADES, GROOVER GRADE I'VE BEEN OUT THERE.
I MEAN, IT IS A CLASS, A ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO ANSWER HIS QUESTION AS BEING I'M DOING IS I'M TRYING TO KEEP US ON TRACK HERE FOR JUST A MINUTE, JUST TO GET MY THOUGHT OUT.
IF, IF WE APPROVE THIS AND OTHER PEOPLE DO IT OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS, YEARS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OTHER PEOPLE DOING IT.
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AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THE PROBLEM THAT YOU SAY DOESN'T EXIST NOW IS GOING TO EXIST IN THE FUTURE.AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ANOTHER WITH THAT ROAD.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO SOMETHING OTHER WITH FIRE AND RESCUE.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WITH POLICE FORCE.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WITH SCHOOLS BECAUSE THE MORE PEOPLE WE PUT OUT THERE, THE MORE INFRASTRUCTURE WE HAVE TO PUT IN.
NOW, I AM NOT AGAINST ANYBODY WANTING TO DO SOMETHING WITH THEIR PROPERTY.
I AM A BRIGHTS TYPE PERSON, PROPERTY RIGHTS TYPE PERSON, BUT I'M TRYING TO THINK OF WHAT'S HAPPENED.
WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN THE, IN THE FUTURE.
AND ARE WE READY FOR THAT? AND IF, IF WARREN COUNTY IS READY FOR IT, SO BE IT, THIS, THIS BOARD RIGHT HERE WILL START TO DECIDE THAT TONIGHT.
SO I, I AM TRYING TO THINK, I'M TRYING TO WORRY ABOUT THE SCHOOLS.
I'M TRYING TO WORRY ABOUT THE POLICE FORCE.
I'M TRYING, TRYING TO WORRY ABOUT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
I'M TRYING TO WORRY ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE.
I'M TRYING TO WORRY ABOUT A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS THAT A HUNDRED AND SIXTY SEVEN HUNDRED AND SIXTY FIVE, OR EXCUSE ME, $176,000 THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT.
THAT DON'T MEAN NOTHING AGAINST THE $30 MILLION SCHOOL.
AND I'M NOT, AGAIN, I AM NOT TRYING TO TURN US AWAY FROM THAT.
I JUST WANT US TO BE AWARE THAT THINGS ARE STARTING TO CHANGE, AND THIS IS ONE OF THE FIRST PROPERTIES THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE AND IT'S GOING TO CHANGE PRETTY GOOD SIZE OVER THE NEXT YEARS.
AND YOU'RE THE FIRST, SO THAT'S MY STORY.
THE ONLY THING I WILL COMMENT IN AND I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE GOING, UM, DON'T BLAME ME WHATSOEVER.
UH, YOU ALSO WOULDN'T, BUT YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT I CAN DO 30 WELL 31, PROBABLY 35, LOTS WITHOUT COMING TO YOU GUYS AT ALL.
WHY AREN'T YOU DOING THAT THEN? BECAUSE I WANT 47 BECAUSE YOU WANT TO SELL IT TO A LARGER NATIONAL DEVELOPER.
SO MR. HEMEL, RIGHT IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT OUR COMMUNITY IS DESIGNED.
SO THAT DENSE HOUSING IS LOCATED WHERE INFRASTRUCTURE CURRENTLY EXISTS, NOT WHERE WE HAVE TO BUILD INFRASTRUCTURE IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE DENSE HOUSING, DENSE HOUSING IS DESIGNED TO BE IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, NOT IN THE COUNTY OF WARREN.
UM, SO THAT IS PROBABLY MY BIGGEST ISSUE IS THAT THE DENSITY OF HOUSING IN THAT LOCATION WAS NEVER INTENDED BY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OR DESIGN OF AG FOR THAT REASON.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE WENT OUT THERE TODAY.
WE WENT AND LOOKED AT THE SITE DISTANCE.
WE WENT AND LOOKED AT IT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE DO.
UM, AS SUPERVISORS IN THAT SITE DISTANCES AN ISSUE.
UH, IT, A GALLON WAS HIT ME IN THE BACK END BECAUSE I WAS TRYING TO SLOW DOWN AND SEE WHERE THE TURN END WAS TO THIS PROPERTY.
I ALSO LIVE OFF HER LANCE ROAD AND I KNOW THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC THAT'S ON RELIANCE ROAD.
ON FRIDAY NIGHT, YOU CANNOT GET THROUGH THE STOPLIGHT WITHOUT IT BACKING UP INTO 5 22 TO GET ON, TO RELAX ROAD.
SO THERE IS AN ISSUE THAT EXISTS ALREADY WITH VOLUME.
THERE IS AN ISSUE WHERE I LIVE THERE.
SO I DO KNOW WHAT THE ISSUES ARE.
UM, THE, THE OTHER THING IS THAT SCHOOLS, THE IMPACT ON SCHOOLS, UH, ASMR RHODES ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS CURRENTLY AT CAPACITY IT'S OVER CAPACITY.
SO ANY ADDITIONAL DENSE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO CREATE, UH, AN ADDITIONAL NEED FOR, FOR AN ELEMENTARY, FOR ROOM IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS AND WITH 47 UNITS, THE ESTIMATE IS, I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS IS RIGHT, BUT IT SAYS SIX ELEMENTARY SCHOOL STUDENTS FOR 47 UNITS.
UM, I WOULD THINK THAT THAT NUMBER WOULD BE HIGHER.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS, THESE NUMBERS ARE DETERMINED, BUT APPARENTLY THESE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT THEIR FAMILIES WHO USUALLY BUY HOUSES OUT IN THE COUNTY THAT HAVE ACREAGE.
THIS IS A FISCAL IMPACT MODEL.
THAT, THAT MODEL THAT I'M SHOWING FOR THAT THAT'S FOR THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL FOR A TITLE IS 15, 15 STAGE TWO 15 TOTAL STREET ON 47 LIGHTS, ONLY 15 SCHOOL-AGED KIDS.
UM, WELL, I'VE GOT A 17, I HAVE A 17 LOT CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT AND BROWNTOWN AREA.
UH, ALL THE LOTS ARE SOLD EXCEPT TWO.
HMM THAT'S UH, I KNOW THE PEOPLE THERE,
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THAT'S MY AREA.AND THEY'RE BASICALLY, THAT'S KIND OF LIKE A LITTLE RETIREMENT AREA NOW, WHICH NOBODY KNOWS.
UM, UNLESS YOU'RE PUBLICIZING IT AS A RETIREMENT AREA, WHO'S GOT TO BUY THE HOUSES THERE, BUT KNOW THAT YOU CAN'T REALLY THAT'S APPLES TO ORANGES ON THAT ONE, SIR.
AND THE TWO PROJECTS, CORRECT.
THERE'S 10 HOUSES DIFFERENCES.
AND IF YOU WOULD, SO SHE CAN GET IT AT THE MICROPHONE WITH US, KNOWING THAT THE WAY THAT HE'S PROPOSING, WE'RE LEAVING A LOT OF LAND UNTOUCHED THE WAY IF WE GO WITH THE 37 ALLOW THAT LAND IS GOING TO BE DISTURBED.
SO, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, THE 10 HOUSE IS DIFFERENT NOW AND NOW, UH, THE 37, UH, WHEN YOU GET OVER THE CLUSTER SUBDIVISION, YOU MIGHT BE GETTING INTO A CLASS C SUBDIVISION.
WHEN YOU GET INTO THAT, THEN THE BOARD IS GOING TO SEE A CLASS C SUBDIVISION COME ACROSS, UH, THEIR, THEIR, THEIR DESK HERE.
SO FOR A CLASS SCENE NOW, I THINK W YOU WERE ORIGINALLY MAYBE SAYING YOUR OTHER ALTERNATIVE IS TO NOT DO THE CLUSTER AND DO SOME EXEMPT WITH MAYBE A CLASS, A ALONG THE STATE ROAD, AND THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET THE AMOUNT THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE GOING TO GET, I THINK IT, IT, I'M GOING TO SAY IT'S ABOUT 16.
I'M NOT RIGHT ON THE MONEY THERE.
I'M NOT SURE, BUT THAT'S, THAT, THAT WOULD BE WHAT I CALCULATED, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL WITHOUT HAVING TO GO TO A BOARD OR THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, A CLASS B WOULD REQUIRE YOU TO GO THROUGH A PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, FOR THAT.
AND, UH, AGAIN, THESE ARE, THESE ARE NUMBERS IN ADDITION TO WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE BY RIGHT.
SO I'M, I, YOU KNOW, I, I'M NOT SURE.
I DON'T THINK YOU'RE CORRECT ABOUT THAT 37 NUMBER, NOT COMING ACROSS THE BOARD, UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE PLAN TO MYSELF.
SO I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S A BIT OF A CHALLENGE.
WE COULD GIVE YOU THE INS AND OUTS.
I MEAN, REALLY THIS APPLICATION IS THE DIFFERENCE IS, IS YOU HAVE FOUR ADDITIONAL LOTS PER CLARENCE, A PER PARENT PARCEL, LARRY, YOU, YOU PROVIDED US WITH INFORMATION THAT IS FOR PARENT PARCELS.
SO THE ADDITIONAL AMOUNT OF LOTS WOULD BE 16, 16, LOTS, AND THAT'S ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT BOBBY DOUBLING THE SIZE.
SO THAT BASICALLY YOU'RE DOUBLING THE SIZE OF THE SUBDIVISION FROM A BI-RITE 24, BECAUSE THERE ARE FOUR PARENT LAWS.
SO THEREFORE, YOUR THAT'S WHAT YOUR DOCUMENT SAYS.
MY DOCUMENT SAYS WE'RE GONNA TO HAVE 41 ACRE TRACKS TAG OR TRACKS OR ONLINE.
IF I CAN GET THEM, I CAN HAVE A HUNDRED OF THEM.
BUT THAT, THAT WOULD BE AS A PART OF THE WHOLE SUBDIVISION, LARRY, WHICH WOULD, WOULD BE ENTAIL BEING, MAKING IT A CLASS C SUBDIVISION.
BECAUSE YOU'RE CREATING A FULL SUBDIVISION THAT ARE SERVED BY COMMON ROADS.
AND, AND ROADS THAT ARE BUILT IN BUILT TO STATE STANDARDS.
SO IT'S NOT THAT YOU'RE JUST BUILDING IT TO A CLUSTER.
SO THE, THE CLASS C REQUIRES, YOU KNOW, THE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS THAT FEED OUT IS GOING TO REQUIRE AND THAT'S ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC ALSO.
UM, LARRY, COULD YOU, COULD YOU TALK INTO THE MICROPHONE THAT WAS HERE? WELL, UH, THE, THE CLASS C I MEAN, I'M SORRY, LIEUTENANT OR TRACKS.
IT ALREADY IS IN THE ZONING THAT YOU HAVE TO YEAH.
TO DESIGN THEM AND BUILD THEM TO VIDAR STANDARDS.
YOU DO NOT TURN THEM OVER TO V DOT.
YOU CAN JUST PRIME AND DOUBLE SEAL THEM.
BUT THE, UP TO THAT 0.0 HOURS DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A STATE MAINTAINED ROAD AND A ROAD THAT I WOULD HAVE TO BUILD FOR THE TENANT 10 ACRE LOTS.
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS ASPHALT.
EVERYTHING ELSE IS OUR CODE, OUR CODE.
AND I'LL, AGAIN, I'M JUST OUR CODE STATES THAT THE NEWLY DEDICATED STREET DESIGNED TO MEET STANDARDS FOR ACCEPTANCE INTO THE STATE HIGHWAY SYSTEM, OR WITH FRONTAGE UPON A CLASS THREE ROAD AS DEFINED BY THIS CHAPTER.
YOU ARE DESIGNING THE ROADS SETS THAT V THAT WILL ACCEPT THEM INTO THEIR SYSTEM.
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OKAY.SO THE CLASSY IS IN ADDITION LOTS, IN ADDITION TO THE CLUSTERING, WHETHER IT BE BY RIDER, BY, BY CUP.
I LIKE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS, BUT IT, YOU KNOW, UM, IT'S OBVIOUS THAT YOUR CONCERN IS TRAFFIC.
CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT HOW MUCH TRAFFIC IS ON RELIANCE ROAD IS, AND HOW MUCH IT'LL BE 10 YEARS FROM NOW IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO ABOUT, I CAN'T, I CAN'T DO ANYTHING IF I DO THIS 47 LOTS, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC.
SOME OF US, IT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE THE IMPACT THAT MIGHT HAVE SINCE PART OF IT'S GOING TO GO IN EACH DIRECTION, BUT IT WILL HAVE AN IMPACT.
SO IT'S UP TO THIS BOARD TO DECIDE WHETHER THAT IMPACT IS TOO GREAT.
BUT THE THING IS, WHAT I'M HEARING THEN IS YOU'RE TELLING ME ANY MULTI-LATERAL SUBDIVISION COMING UP ON RELIANCE ROAD.
YOU'RE GOING TO TURN DOWN BECAUSE IT INCREASES THE TRAFFIC.
IS THAT WHAT THE BOARD IS SAYING? I MEAN, I DON'T BELIEVE, I MEAN, WHAT MAKES THE DIFFERENCE OF MY TRACK VERSUS A TRACK? THAT'S A MILE DOWN THE ROAD THAT'S COMING UP NEXT YEAR OR THE YEAR AFTER NOT, I MEAN, IT'S NOT GONNA MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE EITHER.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW DEVELOPMENT ALONG RELIANCE ROAD, OR YOU ARE.
AND IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DENSITY, THE DENSITY ON THIS SUBDIVISION IS ONE HOUSE FOR THREE AND A HALF ACRES.
WHEN YOU DIVIDE 47 INTO 183, YOU GET ONE PER THREE AND A HALF ACRES.
CAUSE BECAUSE THAT'S NOT REALLY THE CASE, IT'S ONE HOUSE PER ONE ACRE.
AND THAT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT DENSITY AND THE AMOUNT OF, OF HOW THE LANDSCAPE IS BEING IMPACTED AND HOW THE COMMUNITY IS BEING IMPACTED, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DENSITY OF HOUSING.
AND THAT IS TYPICALLY LIMITED TO THE, THE TOWN AND THE, WHERE INFRASTRUCTURE CAN SUPPORT IT WITH WATER AND, AND SEWER AND ALL THOSE THINGS THAT YOU'RE SAYING.
AND YOU'VE MENTIONED JACKSON'S CHASE.
AND SO LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT JACKSON'S CHASE BECAUSE I LIVE THERE.
SO LET ME TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE WATER PROBLEM AT JACKSON'S CHASE.
THEY DO HAVE A CENTRAL WELL, DO YOU KNOW HOW FREQUENTLY THAT, THAT BAD BOY BREAKS DOWN? WELL, IT, IT, THERE, I MEAN, THAT IS REGULARLY A PROBLEM.
THEY HAVE A WATER MANAGEMENT COMPANY THAT COMES IN TO MANAGE THE WELLS OUT THERE.
THE, AND THEY HAVE TWO COMMUNITY WELLS AND THEY PAY THIS COMPANY AND THERE IS PROBLEM WITH FLOW.
THERE IS, THERE ARE PROBLEMS SOMETIMES WITH WATER IN THE IMPACT AND HOW IT SMELLS AND HOW IT RESPONDS.
AND SO THESE ARE NOT EASY SOLUTIONS.
AND THAT'S THE REASON THAT THE DENSITY HAS MEANT FOR TOWN WHERE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS ALREADY THERE TO SUPPORT IT.
THAT THAT'S MY WELL, I MEAN, AS I SAY, THE THINGS YOU'RE DISCUSSING, I CAN'T CHANGE.
I DON'T LIVE IN ON THE COAL COURSE.
I LIVE RIGHT BEFORE IT, BUT I I'M ON A COMMUNITY NEIGHBORHOOD EMAIL.
SO I GET THE INFORMATION REGULARLY ABOUT THE CONCERNS ON THE WORLD.
WELL, I MEAN, AS I SAY, UM, THERE'S NOTHING, THE THINGS THAT ARE CONCERNING THIS BOARD THE MOST ARE THINGS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF MY CONTROL.
SO IF IT WAS SOMETHING I COULD FIX, THEN WE COULD TALK.
THEN YOU'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE YOUR DECISION TO MAKE.
AND WHEN THOSE COUNTY PEOPLE VOTE YOU IN, THEY ARE CONFIDENT YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION.
SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING MORE I CAN SAY OR ANY MORE YOU WANT TO ASK ME, I'LL BE GLAD TO TRY TO ANSWER.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? NO, MR. WENDLING, I DO HAVE QUESTIONS.
WHAT THE HECK IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS CLASS A AND CLASS C THING, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT IN MY EDUCATION FOR HOW TO MAKE DECISIONS IN THE COUNTY IN TERMS OF, SO CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO SAY? SURE.
UH, CLASSY ACTUALLY IS A, IS A SUBDIVISION THAT RESULTS IN 50 LOTS OR MORE, OR SUB OR AN OWNERS OPTIONS OF 50 LOTS OR LESS.
AND IN THE CASE OF A CLASS C BASICALLY IT WOULD BE ANY LOTS GREATER THAN WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE
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IN A CLASS, IN A CLUSTER SUBDIVISION, WHETHER IT BE BY RIGHT OR BY CUP.SO THOSE ADDITIONAL LOTS WOULD COUNT.
SO THERE ARE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS, A PRELIMINARY, A SKETCH PLANT AND A PRELIMINARY PLAT AND A FINAL PLAT.
UM, WE HAVE NOT HAD A CLASS C SUBDIVISION SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE.
UH, CENTEX HOMES WAS LOOKING AT DOING A THOUSAND LOTS IN HAPPY CREEK DISTRICT AT ONE POINT IN TIME BEFORE 2008, I BELIEVE IT WAS.
AND THEY, THEY PULLED OUT BECAUSE OF THE HOUSING MARKET.
AND I'VE, I DON'T BELIEVE IN THE TIME I'VE BEEN HERE NOW, MS. LOGAN MIGHT, MIGHT'VE SEEN ONE.
I THINK THAT, UH, BLUE RIDGE SHADOWS, UH, WAS, IT WAS A CLASSY.
AND MAYBE SHE CAN ADDRESS THIS FOR ME, IF YOU WOULD BE SO CONSTANTLY GET AWAY FROM ME, GIRL, MR. HAMILL.
RIGHT? IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND HAVING A SEAT, LET HER HAVE THE PODIUM, PLEASE.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THIS YOUNG LADY NOW THEY HAD SOME VERY INTERESTING CONVERSATIONS AND HE'S HAPPY TO SEE ME.
UM, REALLY QUICK, REALLY QUICK EXPLANATION OF THAT CLASS.
A SUBDIVISION IS FOUR LOTS OR LESS, AND IT'S WHEN YOU'RE DIVIDING ON A STATE ROAD ALREADY, THAT'S ALREADY IN THE SYSTEM, CLASS B, AND THOSE DO NOT.
THEY COME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION CLASS B IS FIVE, LOTS OR MORE.
THOSE DO COME TO JUST THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THOSE ARE ALREADY BEING CUT OFF A ROAD THAT'S ALREADY IN EXISTENCE AS WELL.
CLASS C IS WHEN YOU'RE BUILDING A ROAD, WHETHER IT'S A CLASS THREE ROAD, LIKE MR. MRI WAS TALKING ABOUT THE, YOU CAN GET THE 10 ACRES OFF OF, OR IT'S WHEN YOU'RE BUILDING A ROAD TO STATE STANDARDS, EITHER WAY THE CLASS C GOES TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THEN BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND THAT IS A, USUALLY A LARGER OF DIVISION, BUT THAT'S WHEN YOU'RE ACTUALLY BUILDING OUR ROAD.
SO THOSE ARE JUST THE QUICK BREAKDOWN OF THE CLASS, A, B AND C.
SO MS. LOGAN, I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE WORKED SPECIFICALLY WITH THIS WARREN COUNTY FISCAL IMPACT MODEL.
HOW DO THEY DERIVE THE SCHOOL CHILDREN FROM THIS? WE DID, WHEN WE DEVELOPED THE MODEL, WE, WE WORKED WITH THE SCHOOLS TO GET A BREAKDOWN OF WHERE, OF ALL OF OUR EXISTING SUBDIVISIONS IN THE COUNTY.
AND WE KIND OF DID LIKE AN AVERAGE OF THE SCHOOL CHILDREN LIVING FROM WHAT I CAN REMEMBER, CAUSE THIS HAS BEEN SEVERAL YEARS, BUT, UM, WE DID CHARTS OF WHERE THE SCHOOL KIDS WERE LIVING.
AND THEN WE KIND OF DID A KIND OF AN AVERAGE OF THE UNITS AND THE CHILDREN THAT WERE COMING OUT OF THESE SUBDIVISIONS IN ELEMENTARY AND MIDDLE AND HIGH.
AND THIS FISCAL IMPACT MODEL WAS NOT FOR THE ENTIRE 47.
UM, BECAUSE SOME OF THESE ARE BY RIGHTS.
SO WE DIDN'T EVEN FACTOR THEM IN.
WAS IT FOR 40? I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY JUST FOR THE 60.
I DON'T THINK THAT MAKES SENSE.
IT WASN'T RIGHT, BECAUSE WE WERE NOT, WE WERE NOT DOING, WE WERE NOT APPLYING THE FISCAL IMPACT TO THE ONES HE COULD GET BY.
I MEAN, WE ONLY DID THE FISCAL IMPACT ON THE ADDITIONAL UNITS HE COULD GET AND THEN THE CONDITION WAS SPANNING THE PAYMENT ACROSS ALL OF THEM.
BUT THE TOTAL AMOUNT WAS ONLY FOR THE ADDITIONAL HOMES HE COULD GET BY THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 16.
SO, SO, SO THIS SIX ADDITIONAL STUDENTS, WHICH WILL PUT, UM, A S RHODES 13 STUDENTS OVER THE NUMBER IS ONLY THE 16 ADDITIONAL UNITS THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE 24 BY.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ALL TELLING ME? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
I THINK I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT FOR, AND IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME AND IT'S BEEN, WE ACTUALLY RAN THIS WHEN THE APPLICANT, BEFORE YOU HAD APPLIED.
SO THAT'S BEEN A WHILE, BUT, UM, YEAH, SO THAT WAS A GOOD, A GOOD YEAR.
SO GIVEN THAT, GIVEN THAT INFORMATION, IF I'M, IF I'M DOING MY MATH RIGHT, AND I'M NOT A MATHEMATICIAN, BUT SO THAT'S SIX ADDITIONAL STUDENTS FOR 16 HOUSES.
SO I COULD RIGHTLY GUESTS THAT THERE COULD BE AT LEAST 14 ADDITIONAL STUDENTS ON TOP OF THAT, BASED ON THAT AVERAGE PER HOUSE, THE STUDENT, UM, I MEAN THE STUDENT NUMBER IS AS A GUEST.
I DON'T, YOU KNOW, WELL, THAT'S A NEW SCHOOL.
THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE COMING DOWN TO.
THAT'S A NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
I'M JUST, IT'S 2.6, NINE HALF PEOPLE PER UNIT IS WHAT WE WERE DOING.
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NOW I WAS RUNNING IS 40 AND 40 UNITS IS 15 ADDITIONAL STUDENTS, BUT THE FISCAL IMPACT, WE WERE ONLY APPLYING TO THE ADDITIONAL UNITS OVER.SO, SO, SO THAT'S, THAT'S NUMBER SIX IS BASED ON 16 ADDITIONAL UNITS, DOESN'T INCLUDE THE 24 THAT ARE BIO, RIGHT? SO AGAIN, IF I'M DOING MY MATH, YOU'VE GOT SIX PER 16.
SO THAT'S, IF I ADD ANOTHER 16, THAT'S SIX MORE, THAT'S 12 AND THEN MAYBE FOUR FOR THE ADDITIONAL EIGHT.
I MEAN, OUR, OUR, OUR FISCAL AMOUNT IS DEFINITELY GOING TO BE MORE OF A CONCRETE NUMBER, BUT, UM, AS FAR AS THE STUDENTS PER SOW DIVISION, THAT WE DID OUR BEST, OUR BEST FROM LOOKING AT ALL THE SUBDIVISIONS IN THE COUNTY WHERE THE STUDENTS LIVE.
UM, AND THEN JUST TRYING TO GET AN AVERAGE OF, OF WHAT A NEW HOUSE WOULD BRING.
SO 20 ADDITIONAL STUDENTS AT ASCE ROAD AS A CLASSROOM, THAT'S A NEW CLASS, THAT'S 20 KIDS.
THAT'S A WHOLE CLASS FULL OF KIDS.
IN FACT, IT SAYS THAT WE ARE AT SEVEN OVER CAPACITY NOW, SO THAT WOULD BE 27 OVER CAPACITY.
AND THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE CONCERN, YOU KNOW, IN THE NORTH RIVER DISTRICT WAS A S ROADS, RIGHT? WE'VE HAD THAT CONCERN.
AND WE, AGAIN, IT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN FOR NORTH RIVER IS THAT, YOU KNOW, ANY IMPACT IS GOING TO CREATE ANOTHER ELEMENTARY SCHOOL REQUIREMENT.
AND THAT MEANS A TAX INCREASE TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND THAT MEANS MORE, UM, DEBT FOR THE COMMUNITY.
WE'RE ALREADY WHAT, $130 MILLION IN DEBT, DR.
DALEY FOR THE SCHOOLS THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY PAYING FOR.
SO ANYWAY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET PRETTY CREATIVE.
IF WE'RE GOING TO PUT HOUSES IN NORTH RIVER, THE LONG RANGE PLAN, THE LONG RANGE GO OF SORRY.
I HATE TO BE RUDE, BUT IF I LET ONE, IT GETS OUT OF CONTROL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? NO.
IS THERE A MOTION? AND IN CHAIR, I MOVED THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR ROYAL OAKS ESTATES, LLC, FOR A CLUSTER HOUSING DEVELOPMENT WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF.
IS THERE A SECOND? WE DON'T HAVE, UM, A SECOND.
SO THAT WOULD MEAN THE MOTION FAILS DUE TO A SECOND.
MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, DENY THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST OF ROYAL OAK ESTATES, LLC, FOR CLUSTER HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, FOR THE REASONS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED, WHICH INCLUDES THE SCHOOL CAPACITY.
DON'T THE DOT CONCERNS DO I, DO I HAVE TO LIST IF YOU WILL SPECIFY THE REASONS WHY? YEAH, LET ME, HOLD ON.
IMPACT ON SCHOOLS, PARTICULARLY ASMR ROADS, THE DENSITY OF HOUSING SHOULD BE LEFT TO AREAS WHERE INFRASTRUCTURE WATER EXISTS.
RELIANCE WORD IS CURRENTLY A HIGH VOLUME ROAD AND HAS V DOT CONCERNS.
IS THERE A SECOND ROLL CALL, MRS. SHIRAKI MR. BUTLER.
MADAM CHAIR, MRS. JORDAN, DO WE, WHEN WE VOTE NEGATIVE, DO WE NEED TO EACH LIST OUR REASONS OR WE'RE JUST AGREEING WITH THE REASONS THAT MISSES OUT.
UM, AS LONG AS THE, THE MOTION ITSELF LISTS, LISTS, THE REASONS THEN THAT IS WHAT IS REQUIRED.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN I VOTE, NO, THAT THAT'S BASICALLY A NO AGAINST THE DENIAL.
AND I STAND IN AGREEMENT WITH MRS. UH, WHAT MRS. OATS HAS STATED AS REASONS MR. MABE.
AND I WILL GO WITH THE SAME REASONS THAT MRS. KRAVITZ AND MRS. COLOR.
AND HE SAID, NO, WELL, I'M VOTING AGAINST, SO YOU GOT TO VOTE.
I'LL VOTE ON, JUST TO CLARIFY THE MOTION BEFORE THE BOARD NOW IS TO DENY THE CLUSTER SUBDIVISION.
SO IF YOU WISH TO DENY IT WOULD BE
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I, IF YOU WISH TO OPPOSE THE DENIAL THAN IT WOULD BE.[J. Z2022-06-01 – Cole and Danielle Haase for an Ordinance to Amend and Re-Ordain Sections 180- 8 and 180-43 of the Warren County Code re: Commercial Outdoor Recreation Operation – Matt Wendling]
2022 DASH OH SIX DASH OH ONE.COLE AND DANIELLE HOSFORD ORDINANCE TO AMEND AND REORDER DANE SECTION 180 DASH EIGHT AND 180 DASH 43 OF THE WARREN COUNTY CODE COMMERCIAL OUTDOOR RECREATION OPERATION.
YOU'LL FIND THE ATTACHED ORDINANCE.
UH, IN YOUR PACKETS, THE APPLICANTS ARE REQUESTING A TEXT AMENDMENT TO ALLOW FOR AN INDOOR FACILITY ASSESSORY TO A COMMERCIAL OUTDOOR RECREATION OPERATION COMMERCIAL OUTDOOR RECREATION OPERATION IS CURRENTLY ALLOWED BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND THE AGRICULTURAL RURAL RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.
HOWEVER, THE CURRENT DEFINITION OF COMMERCIAL OUTDOOR RECREATION OPERATION FROM THE ZONING ORDINANCE DOES NOT ALLOW FOR AN INDOOR COMPONENT TO THE USE.
THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS WOULD ALLOW FOR AN INDOOR RECREATION COMPONENT TO BE INCLUDED AS AN ACCESSORY USE TO AN OUTDOOR RECREATION OPERATION PROVIDED THAT THE INDOOR ACTIVITY IS THE SAME USE AS THE OUTDOOR ACTIVITY AND INDOOR FACILITY DOES NOT EXCEED A CUMULATIVE 10,000 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES.
THAT'S WHAT THE ORDINANCE STATES, I CAN READ IT FOR YOU IF YOU'D LIKE, BUT IT HAS BEEN INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKETS.
UM, THIS ORDINANCE WOULD BE APPLICABLE TO ALL OF THE ZONING DISTRICTS, UH, THAT I'VE I'VE LISTED THERE.
UH, AND ONLY DURING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PROCESS, WOULD IT APPLY TO ANY SPECIFIC PROPERTIES? SO TONIGHT'S, UH, REQUESTS FOR THE TEXT AMENDMENT IS SOLELY FOR THE TEXT AMENDMENT THAT IS APPLICABLE.
UH COUNTY-WIDE IN THAT AGRICULTURAL COMMERCIAL AND RURAL RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT.
UM, THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED ADJACENT PROPERTY.
WELL, I DON'T NEED TO SAY THAT, BUT ANYWAY, BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
YOU MIGHT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. LANE AT THIS POINT.
DID ANYONE SIGN UP TO SPEAK ON THIS? HE HAS MADAM CHAIR, SCOTT TRUEX.
UM, SCOTT TRUE X 100 HARMONY MANOR DRIVE.
UM, I'M SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSED CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR COLON DANIELLE HAAS PROPERTY ON FORT VALLEY ROAD.
AS A COMMUNITY FRONT ROYAL NEEDS TO HAVE MORE OPTIONS FOR THEIR YOUTH TO BECOME MORE PROFICIENT IN SPORTS EVENTS THAT THEY PARTICIPATE IN.
THIS FACILITY WILL ALLOW FOR THE LITTLE LEAGUE, UH, FRONT ROYAL, THE HIGH SCHOOLS WITHIN WARREN COUNTY, AND ALSO THE MLB SPONSORED VALLEY LEAGUE SUMMER TEAM TO PRACTICE IN A FACILITY THAT IS STATE-OF-THE-ART AS WELL AS CONVENIENT AND RELIABLE FOR SAFETY AND USABILITY.
ADDITIONALLY, THIS FACILITY WILL ENABLE THE YOUTH IN FRONT ROYAL TO HAVE AN OUTLET THAT IS CONSTRUCTIVE AND PRODUCTIVE FOR THEIR DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH POTENTIAL.
THIS WILL HELP THE YOUTH OF FRONT ROYAL TO STAY OFF THE STREETS, NOT GET INVOLVED WITH NOT GETTING INVOLVED INTO THINGS THAT ARE DEEMED UNSAVORY WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, OR JUST WHILE AWAY THE HOURS AT THE AFTERNOON.
BASEBALL HAS A LONG HISTORY IN THE, IN FRONT, IN FORT VALLEY OR FRONT ROYAL COMMUNITY, BOTH LITTLE LEAGUE AND VALLEY SUMMER LEAGUE.
THE ONE PART THAT HAS BEEN MISSING HAS BEEN THE AVAILABILITY AND RELIABLE WELL KEPT AND SAFE PRACTICE FACILITIES THAT WOULD HELP THE DIFFERENT LEAGUES WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY.
WITH THE AVAILABILITY OF THIS NEW FACILITY, THE TEAMS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY WILL BE ABLE TO PRACTICE WHEN THEY NEED, AS IT WILL BE SCHEDULED VIA RESERVATIONS SO THAT THERE WILL BE NO OVERCROWDING OR OVERUSE OF THE FACILITY AS A VENUE THAT WILL SUPPORT THE YOUTH OF WARREN COUNTY AND SUPPORTING AND SURROUNDING AREAS.
THIS FACILITY WILL BE A BRIGHT STAR FOR WARREN COUNTY COMMUNITY AND ENABLE OUR YOUTH TO STRIVE TO BE THE BEST THEY CAN.
AND WHO KNOWS, MAYBE WE CAN HAVE ANOTHER LITTLE LEAGUE CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM AS IT HAS BEEN A YEAR OR TWO SINCE THE LAST HAPPENED.
ANYONE ELSE SIGNED UP MRS. SHIRAKI NO MA'AM.
WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME?
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GOOD EVENING, ALEX, BIG LISTS, A 1 25 BLUE ROAD, FRONT ROYAL, VIRGINIA.UM, SO I WAS INVITED HERE BY THE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO PROPOSE THIS.
AND I GUESS THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A CONFUSION ON WHAT WAS GOING ON.
I GUESS THIS IS FOR THE TAX AMENDMENT, NOT TO SUPPORT IT, BUT WITHOUT THE TAX AMENDMENT, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO HAVE THIS.
UH, THIS IS A FACILITY THAT, UM, AS WE CAME TO THE BOARD EARLIER THIS YEAR, WE ADVOCATED FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
HOW DO WE, HOW THE FRONT ROYAL CARDINALS THEMSELVES CAN CHANGE THE COMMUNITY, HELP THE COMMUNITY AND BUILD UPON THIS, UM, THIS FACILITY WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE TAX EXEMPTION WOULD ALLOW US TO CONTINUE THAT GOAL, WORKING WITH THAT, ALLOWING OUR PLAYERS TO GO THERE AND MENTOR THE CHILDREN, PROVIDING EDUCATIONAL EXPERIENCES THAT IS GOING TO HELP EXPAND OUR COMMUNITY, MAKE IT BETTER.
UM, AND SO AS A CARDINALS ORGANIZATION AND AS A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY, UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT EXEMPTION PASS, UH, OR NOT EXEMPTION, BUT THE, THE MOTION PASS SO THAT WE CAN THEN CONTINUE ON WITH THE FACILITY IN THE BUILDING OF THE FACILITY.
ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? WE'LL ASK CALL ANYONE LIKED TO SPEAK PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? MAY I JUST MENTION FOR THE SAKE OF THE CROWD HERE, THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD IN ONE, SEPTEMBER 27TH.
AND THAT WOULD BE AT SIX O'CLOCK WE'RE SET SEPTEMBER, SEPTEMBER.
OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION.
UM, IS THERE A MOTION MADAM CHAIR FINDING THAT THE PROPOSED ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE PUBLIC NECESSITY CONVENIENCE IN GENERAL, GENERAL WELFARE AND GOOD ZONING PRACTICE.
I MOVED THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVED THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT FOR A COMMERCIAL OUTDOOR RECREATION OPERATION.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND ROLL CALL, MRS. SHIRAKI MR. MABE, MADAM CHAIR.
THAT CONCLUDES OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR TONIGHT.
IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SO MOVED SECOND, SECOND.
THANK YOU ALL FOR AND MRS. SHIRAKI, WE'RE ONLY AN HOUR DESPERATE TO THERE.