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[Call to Order]
THE WORK SESSION OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR OCTOBER 11TH, 2022.IS THEIR MOTION TO ACCEPT THE AGENDA AS PRESENTED? SO MOVED.
WELL, I GUESS I NEED TO TAKE THAT BACK.
IS THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS TO THE AGENDA BEFORE WE ACCEPT IT? SORRY, HEARING NONE NOW, IS THERE A MOTION, MOTION TO ACCEPT THE AGENDA, MADAM CHAIR? SECOND.
[A. Discussion – FY 2021-2022 Fund Carryover Package]
IS DISCUSSION FOR 2021.DALEY, YOU'RE GONNA DISCUSS THAT WITH US TONIGHT.
THERE IS, UH, BAD NEWS AND THERE IS HOPEFUL NEWS.
MA'AM, THE BAD NEWS IS MR. ROBERTSON ISN'T HERE THIS EVENING.
HE CAME DOWN WITH COVID AND SO HE'LL BE BACK IN A FEW DAYS.
THE HOPEFUL NEWS IS HE'LL BE BACK INTO, EXPLAIN THIS BETTER AT SIX O'CLOCK NEXT TUESDAY.
I WOULD CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO A COUPLE OF ITEMS JUST TO NOTE IN THE FRAMEWORK AS YOU LOOK AT THIS, THIS WEEKEND.
AND NUMBER ONE ON THE CARRYOVER PACKAGE PAGE, YOU SEE ALL OF THE OLD OAK AND YOUNGS DRIVE PROJECTS, ET CETERA LISTED.
SO THESE ARE ALL FUNDS THAT WE HAVE APPROPRIATED, AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT HAS BEEN SPENT AND WHAT REMAINS THE TWO LARGE PROJECTS, OR ARE OF COURSE, THE ROAD PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THERE.
AND THE NET REMAINING TO BE TRANSFERRED TO THE FUND BALANCE WILL BE THIRTY NINE EIGHT HUNDRED AND THIRTY $1,000 AT THE END OF THE YEAR.
THE REMAINDER HERE WOULD BE TRANSFERRED TO THESE PROJECTS, UH, THAT ARE ONGOING AT THE CURRENT PLAN.
UH, SECOND, I WANT CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO THE PAGE MARK SPECIAL PROJECTS.
UH, WE HAVE TALKED BEFORE ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS ABOUT THIS FIVE AND SIX PAGE WHERE EVERYBODY IN THE COUNTY HAS SOMETHING EARMARKED AND IS SAVED AND STASHED AWAY SO FORTH.
AND THE QUESTION THE BOARD HAS HAD, WHERE DID ALL THIS COME FROM? AND HOW'S COME? WE CAN'T KEEP TRACK OF WHERE IT ALL IS.
SO THE GOAL IS TO CONSOLIDATE THESE ACCOUNTS.
AND WE MENTIONED THIS BEFORE, BUT MR. ROBERTSON'S REALLY TAKEN HOLD OF IT THIS YEAR.
AND YOU'LL SEE IN THE PROPOSAL FOR THIS YEAR'S CURRENT SPECIAL PROJECTS.
I SHOULD REMIND YOU, THIS IS LAST YEAR AS THE CARRYOVER, BUT THIS PAGE, YOU SEE WHERE THE PROJECTS ARE DESIGNATED, INCLUDING THE 3000 FOR THE FIRE STATION, 3 MILLION, 2 MILLION FOR A BUILDING REPAIR, AND 1.5 MILLION FOR THE TECHNOLOGY.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE NEED FOR A NEW SOFTWARE SYSTEM HERE.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS.
AND THEN UP THE TOP, YOU SEE RESERVE FOR ASSETS IS A MILLION.
THE CAPITAL RESERVE IS 500,000, AND THE CONTINGENCY IS 500,000.
AND ALL OF THESE ITEMS ARE THEN SUBJECT TO APPROPRIATION BY THE BOARD.
BUT THERE WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY A DOZEN LINE ITEMS HERE FOR YOU TO LOOK AT AND KEEP TRACK OF INSTEAD OF SIX PAGES.
SO FOR THE SPECIAL PROJECTS, SPECIAL PROJECTS HERE, THIS IS ALL OF THE FUNDS.
IF THEY'RE CONSOLIDATED OR NOT, THIS IS THE TOTAL AMOUNT THAT WE HAVE.
THIS IS EVERYTHING IN SPECIAL PROJECTS, MAN.
SO EVERYTHING WILL SHOW UP IN ONE OF THESE ACCOUNTS OR IT'S NOT THERE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WE'LL HAVE TO WAIT FOR BETTER INFORMATION WHEN MR. ROBERTSON COMES BACK.
UH, AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, GOING UP TO THE CARRYOVER PACKAGE,
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WE'RE JUST SAYING THE MONEY THAT WAS APPROPRIATED LAST YEAR IS GONNA BE CARRIED OVER TO THIS YEAR.AND IT'S PART OF OUR BUDGET AND ALREADY BEEN BUDGETED.
WE'RE JUST CARRYING IT FORWARD.
HE'S DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB OF PUTTING IT NICE AND LAYING IT OUT FOR YOU SO IT'S EASIER TO FOLLOW.
I LIKE THE, THE CATEGORIES THAT MAKES IT SO MUCH EASIER.
BE ABLE TO TELL WHAT YOU HAVE.
I GUESS WE WILL LOOK AT THAT AND HOLD OUR QUESTIONS FOR, UH, WHEN MR. ROBERTSON GETS BACK.
AND IF YOU THINK OF SOMETHING THIS WEEK, WHY SEND US A NOTE OF CALLS AND WE'LL GET IT ADDRESSED FOR YOU.
[B. Discussion – Purchase of Airport Fuel]
UH, NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS DISCUSSION PURCHASE OF AIRPORT FUEL.UH, THE COUNTY'S PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO ORDER AVIATION FUEL.
CURRENTLY, THE FUEL PROVIDER TIGHTEN AVIATION FUELS, PROVIDES RETAIL UNBRANDED FUELS THAT THE AIRPORT, IT IS THE COUNTY'S GOAL TO ESTABLISH AN ACCOUNT WITH TIGHTEN AVIATION FUELS TO ORDER RETAIL UNBRANDED FUEL.
THE PRICING STRUCTURE IS NOT FIXED.
TITAN AVIATION FUELS WILL ISSUE A PRICING NOTIFICATION TO THE COUNTY, WHICH IS VALID FOR ORDERING FUEL WITHIN THE SUBSEQUENT SEVEN CALENDAR DAYS.
THE METHOD OF PROCUREMENT IS SOLE SOURCE BECAUSE TITAN AVIATION FUELS IS THE ONLY SOURCE PRACTICAL, PRACTICALLY AVAILABLE FOR THE COUNTY TO ORDER RETAIL UNBRANDED AVIATION FUEL.
THE BOARD IS REQUESTED TO REVIEW AND APPROVE THE UNBRANDED AVIATION FUELS CONTRACT WITH TITAN AVIATION FUELS.
THE COST FOR AVIATION FUEL IS NOT BUDGETED FOR FISCAL YEAR 23.
HOWEVER, THIS AVIATION FUEL WILL BE RESOLD TO AIRPORT CUSTOMERS, WHICH WILL PROVIDE REVENUE TO OFFSET THE INITIAL COST.
UM, THE, IF THE COUNT, IF THE CONTRACT IS APPROVED, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WILL RECEIVE A BUDGET APPROPRIATION FORM AT THE OCTOBER 18TH MEETING TO PROVIDE BUDGET FOR THIS ACTION.
I HAD PREVIOUSLY STATED IN MY COVER SHEET THAT THE ESTIMATED COST FOR A FULL TANKER IS MORE THAN $50,000.
UH, THIS WAS BASED ON PRICING AVAILABLE IN JUNE.
SO PRICING HAS GONE DOWN FOR AVIATION FUEL AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO $47,000 FOR ABOUT EIGHT HUN 8,500 GALLONS OF AVIATION FUEL, WHICH IS A FULL TANKER.
WOW, THAT'S AMAZING THAT IT WENT DOWN.
AND I'M HERE AND MIKE IS HERE.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US ABOUT THIS NEW CONTRACT.
MADAME CHAIR, I JUST WANTED TO FIND OUT WHAT, WHAT IS THE, UH, YOU, YOU SAID THAT THEY'LL, THEY'LL GIVE US THE PRICE.
WHAT, UH, FIVE TO SEVEN DAYS BEFOREHAND? YES.
BUT WE'RE, WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE, UM, ESTIMATED PRICE RIGHT NOW? I THINK IT WAS $4 AND 47 CENTS A GALLON.
I BELIEVE THE LAST TIME IT CHECKED.
AND, AND DO WE HAVE AN IDEA AS TO HOW MUCH WE WILL BE SELLING THIS RESELLING IT FOR THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.
IN THE PAST, I DON'T, CAN THEY HEAR YOU? I SAID THAT THING.
I THINK IT WAS TYPICALLY ABOUT A DOLLAR IN THE PAST THAT THEY PUT ON IT.
UM, THIS WILL BE OUR FIRST TIME TO ACTUALLY HANDLE THE SALES OURSELF.
WELL, WE ARE GONNA LOOK AT THE INFLATION RATE, RIGHT? I MEAN, FROM THE PAST MM-HMM.
YEAH, WE COULD CERTAINLY TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
THAT IN PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR, UM, INDEPENDENT CONTRACTOR WHO USED TO MAINTAIN AVIATION FUEL, UM, THIS INDEPENDENT CONTRACTOR PUT A 10% PROFIT ONTO AVIATION FUEL.
AND THAT WOULD BE TO MANAGE THE FUEL MASTER SYSTEM.
SO IT WAS THE ADMINISTRATION COST, ADMINISTRATIVE COST OF MANAGING THE FUEL AND ORDERING THE FUEL AND EVERYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN THE FUEL MASTER CREDIT CARD SYSTEM.
AND SO ARE WE ANTICIPATING THAT THE REVENUE THAT WE BRING BACK IS JUST TO PAY FOR OPERATIONAL COSTS OF ABSOLUTELY MAINTAINING, OR ARE WE LOOKING AT MAYBE LOOKING AT DOING MORE, UM, REVENUE COMING IN ABOVE AND BEYOND? I THINK IN ADDITION TO NOW THE COUNTY MANAGING MONITORING AND CONTROLLING AVIATION FUEL, IT WOULD BE IN THE COUNTY'S BEST INTEREST TO ESTABLISH STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES.
AND WITHIN, IN THAT, WE'D DEFINITELY APPRECIATE THE AIRPORT COMMISSION'S ADVICE AS WELL AS DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
THE BOARD'S DIRECTION, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR'S DIRECTION YES.
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THIS WAS A FUNCTION OF THE OUTSOURCED CONTRACT THAT WE HAD WITH, UH, CA AVIATION, CORRECT? YES, MA'AM.AND THEY MANAGED THE SALE OF GASOLINE OR AIRPORT FUEL.
AND SO HAS ANYBODY DONE ANY KIND OF PERFORMANCE REVIEW ON, UM, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT US LOSING MONEY ON SELLING AIRPORT FUEL BECAUSE, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WE ARE KIND OF PUT IN THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE THAT WE'RE BUYING IT, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE CHARGING FOR IT.
AND WE DON'T KNOW, AND WE DON'T KNOW THE STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES BASED ON HOW WE'RE GONNA DO IT.
AND SO I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT DOING THINGS IN REVERSE.
I THINK THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE A BETTER PLAN BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD.
TYPICALLY, HE WOULD ADJUST THE, THE PRICE OF THE FIELD JUST LIKE AT THE PUMP BASED ON WHAT YOU PURCHASED AT.
SO RIGHT NOW, OUR LAST LOAD OF FUEL WE PURCHASED AT A HIGHER RATE THAN THIS ONE.
SO IF WE DIDN'T CHANGE IT TODAY, WE WOULD BE MAKING MORE REVENUE THEN THE LAST LOAD OF FUEL.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WILL BE SOME THINGS THAT WE NEED TO CHANGE FOR SURE.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE A, A NEW FBO ESTABLISHED, UM, BUT I, I DON'T REALLY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A, UM, STANDALONE SYSTEM, SO THE ACTUAL FUEL ITSELF IS PRETTY EASY ONCE YOU ESTABLISH THE ACCOUNT.
UM, AND, AND WE CAN SEE, I SENT A LIST OF THE RECORD.
UM, I DON'T KNOW ALL THE INS AND OUTS OF THE SOFTWARE, BUT I GET REPORTS EACH MONTH OF THE YAGE AND I SENT HER ONE AS WE WERE WORKING ON, UM, YOU KNOW, ORDERING NEW FUEL AND ESTABLISH AN ACCOUNT WITH TITAN.
WHO'S YOUR CUSTOMER? I'M SORRY? WHO'S YOUR CUSTOMER BASE? YEAH, THE, GO AHEAD.
WHO'S, WHO ARE YOUR CUSTOMER BASE THERE? OUR MAIN BASE IS THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE THEIR, THEIR PLANES AT FRONT ROYAL.
I MEAN, THERE ARE SOME OTHER GUYS THAT COME IN ON THE WEEKEND AND UM, LIKE WITH THE AIR SHOW, UM, WE HAD SOME PEOPLE THAT FLEW IN JUST FOR THE, THE AIR EVENT THIS WEEKEND.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE, UM, JET A, SO YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN SOME HELICOPTERS THAT HAVE DROPPED IN IN THE PAST, BUT WE CAN'T SELL FUEL TO THEM AT THIS TIME.
THAT WAS, I DIDN'T KNOW, BUT THAT'S YOUR QUESTION.
WAS THE FUEL THAT THE HELICOPTERS, UM, NO MEDIC UNIT NEEDED? NO.
WELL WE'VE TALKED ABOUT LOOKING AT THAT ALSO.
UM, IT'S BEEN MENTIONED I'VE WORKED ON, AND I DON'T WANNA GET TOO FAR OFF, BUT, UM, I'VE WORKED UP SOME SCOPES FOR PHI ONE BRINGING IN A PORTABLE UNIT, UM, AND A TRAILER AND ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY PUTTING ONE AND UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE STILL DEBATING ON THAT.
UM, BUT ALYSSA AND I BRIEFLY TALKED TO ALSO ABOUT IN THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, RFP MAY BE LOOKING AT, UM, GETTING JET FUEL, YOU KNOW, AS WELL.
UM, BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME OTHER OPTIONS OUT THERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE WINCHESTER HAS PODS, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME IT, UM, CONCERNS AND I TALKED TO TODD VERY BRIEFLY ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
BUT THOSE ARE SOME THINGS FOR THE FUTURE.
UM, BUT RIGHT NOW OUR FOCUS IS ON THE A HUNDRED LL THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
SO THERE ARE A COUPLE OF UNDERLYING PRINCIPLES HERE IF I CAN ADD TO THAT.
AND THE NUMBER ONE IS WE DO NOT WANT THE AIRPORT TO RUN OUT OF FUEL.
THAT'S EVERY, THAT'S NUMBER ONE IS, IS THAT WE DO NOT WANT TO RUN OUT OF FUEL.
AND SINCE WE DON'T HAVE A FUEL SALES, UH, PRIVATE, WE ARE TAKING OVER THE FUEL SALES WITH THE COUNTY.
NUMBER TWO IS WE ARE NOT GONNA SUBSIDIZE THE COST OF THE FUEL IF WE PAY 4 45.
I'M GONNA TAKE THAT AS A NUMBER, WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS.
IF WE TAKE IT 4 45 IS THE COST, WE'RE NOT GONNA SELL IT FOR LESS THAN THAT.
NOW WE WOULD LOOK AT APPROXIMATELY 10% OR 45 CENTS TO MAKE IT EVEN, BUT WE WANT TO BE COMPETITIVE AT THE SAME TIME, IF WE CAN BRING MORE AIRPORTS INTO WARREN COUNTY INTERNATIONAL, WE WANNA DO IT.
SO WE WILL BE BETWEEN THAT FOUR 90 AND THAT 4 45.
DO WE KNOW WHAT OUR COMPETITORS ARE SELLING AT FOR WINCHESTER? THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT I SAID.
WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE WE KNOW FOR THE DAY, FOR THE DAY WHEN WE ACTUALLY START SELLING FUEL.
AND THAT DATE HAS YET TO BE DETERMINED EXACTLY WHAT DAY IT'LL BE.
BECAUSE WHEN THERAN TANK HAS TO BE REFILLED, SO IT'S SELF-SERVICE.
THERE'S NO LABOR COST AND FACTORED IN TO SOMEBODY WHO HAS TO MANAGE OR KEEP UP WITH IT OR, WELL, WE HAVE SOMEBODY WHO KEEPS TRACK OF IT, BUT HE'S ASSIGNED AT THE AIRPORT.
OUR AIRPORT MANAGER IS THERE ANYWAY, SO HE'S GONNA BE THERE DOING THERE.
AND WHEN HE'S OUT TAKING A BREAK FROM MOWING, HE MAY CHECK THE, JUST TO CHECK WHAT THE FUEL LEVEL IS EVERY
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COUPLE DAYS TO MAKE SURE WE KNOW WHEN IT'S GONNA DROP AND WE NEED TO REORDER, WHICH IS WHAT IN THE FUTURE WE WILL BE REDOING, IS ON A REGULAR CYCLE.WHEN YOU START SOMETHING UP LIKE THIS, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT THAT YOU HAVE TO WORK OUT EXACTLY HOW IT'S GONNA WORK, BUT THEN WE'LL KEEP TRACK OF THE SALES AND SEE HOW IT MONITOR WHAT'S GOING ON WHEN WE DO IT AGAIN.
BUT HE'S THERE AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT HE'S GONNA HAVE TO DO EVERY HOUR ON THE HOUR OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE.
IT'S SOMETHING EVERY SO OFTEN HE'S GONNA CHECK THE FUEL.
OUR SUPERINTENDENT CHECKS THE FUEL LEVEL DAILY AS PART OF HIS DUTIES.
UM, BUT THAT'S A DAILY TASK AND HE'S BEEN DOING THAT FOR SEVERAL MONTHS.
AND, UM, AND I'LL PROBABLY, UM, IRRITATED ALYSSA LITTLE AND GET HER INVOLVED ON HELPING A LITTLE BIT MORE AS WE MOVE INTO THIS FUEL PROGRAM.
UM, AND WE'LL BE INVOLVED ON THE BUSINESS SIDE AND MAKING SURE EVERYTHING'S OKAY AT PREVIOUSLY THAT, UM, SO I RECALL BASED ON, UM, SOME CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD IN WORK SESSIONS BEFORE, BUT THAT, UM, THE GAS DISPENSER WAS BROKEN AT ONE POINT, UM, DURING MY TENURE IN THE SEAT AND IT, THERE, THERE WE WERE UNABLE TO SELL GAS FOR A PERIOD OF TIME BECAUSE THAT WAS A DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD HERE.
AND SO IS IT A NEW DISPENSER OR HAS IT BEEN REPAIRED OR
DO YOU REMEMBER? UM, IT HADN'T BEEN SINCE I'VE BEEN THERE, I'VE SEEN THE INSPECTION LOG THAT, UM, AND THE MAJORITY OF THE INSPECTION REPORT WAS FROM TITAN FUELS.
IT'S AN OLDER SYSTEM, BUT IT'S FUNCTIONING FINE.
UM, AND, AND THEY WERE VERY MINIMAL, UM, IN REGARDS TO REPAIRS.
I'M NOT SAYING THERE COULD BE SOMETHING, BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY ISSUES.
THE ONLY ISSUE I'M AWARE OF CURRENTLY, JAKE ASKED ME THE SUPERINTENDENT A WEEK AGO ABOUT, UH, A NEW STEP LADDER CUZ UM, THE ONE THAT WAS THERE NEEDED TO BE REPLACED.
UM, AND I THINK THE LITTLE, IT'S ONE OF THOSE HAD THE LITTLE EXTRA HOLDER AND IT WAS FALLING OFF AND PEOPLE WERE WORRIED ABOUT IT.
BUT THAT'S THE ONLY ISSUE I KNOW OF RIGHT NOW.
I THINK YOU WERE NOT IN CHARGE OF THE AIRPORT WHEN, AT LEAST TWO YEARS AGO.
IT WAS AT LEAST THAT TIMEFRAME.
WELL I KNOW THERE WAS A TIME WHEN WITH WAY TO MEASURES, THERE WAS A CONCERN WITH THE METER.
THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE CONCERN.
WE WERE, I DON'T THINK THAT SELL IT YOU COULD, THEY COULD HAVE STOPPED IT, BUT THEY DIDN'T, UM, THEY DID NOT LOCK THE FUEL SYSTEM OUT.
THEY COULD HAVE IF IT WASN'T REPAIRED.
SO WHEN THE METER'S NOT RUNNING RIGHT, DOES THAT MEAN YOU DON'T HAVE A GOOD ACCOUNTING OF HOW MUCH FUEL YOU'RE GETTING? WELL, I MEAN, YEAH.
I MEAN, IF YOU'RE OUT OF TOLERANCE, I MEAN IT'S LIKE, LIKE ANY GAS STATION IN TOWN, I USED TO DO THAT JOB WITH THE STATE OF VIRGINIA.
UM, AND SOME OF THEM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THEY DON'T GO OUT A LOT, BUT SOME OF 'EM GIVE YOU TOO MUCH AND THEY FAIL FOR THAT REASON.
AND I DON'T REMEMBER ON THIS ONE.
UM, IF IT'S UNDER, I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE SHORTEN THE FOLKS, THERE'S A TOLERANCE ON EACH METER.
I DON'T WANNA SHORTEN NEITHER OF US.
SO WHO, WHO DO WE GET, DOES TITAN COME IN AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CALIBRATED IN CALIBRATION YOU WOULD CALL? WELL, IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T IT, IT COULD BE, I'M NOT SURE IF TITAN HAS A, A CALIBRATOR, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A FUEL COMPANY THAT WOULD COME IN THAT WOULD HAVE A APPROVER, SOMEBODY WHO COULD RETURN IT BACK TO THE, THE TANK.
WELL, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A CALIBRATED, WHAT, WHAT DOES THE STATE CALIBRATE? UH, HOW OFTEN DO THEY CALIBRATE THE GAS PUMPS? THEY DON'T CALIBRATE.
BUT IT REALLY DEPENDS ON THEIR STAFFING LEVELS.
UM, AND I THINK THEY CHANGE THE CODE TO, I THINK I, I DON'T REMEMBER EXACT WORDING, BUT I GUESS DEEMED NECESSARY KIND OF THING.
WELL I THINK TO START OFF WITH, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THE CALIBRATION IS CORRECT.
UM, TO, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T WANNA SHORTCHANGE SOMEONE ELSE AND I DON'T WANNA SHORTCHANGE US AS WELL AND WE DON'T WANNA SYSTEM THAT WE'RE NOT SURE OF.
WELL, I MEAN, IN THE METER, THAT WAS THE ONLY ISSUE THAT I KNEW OF.
THAT'S WHAT, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE MENTIONING.
SO YEAH, SO THE METER, WE HAD TO HAVE A TECHNICIAN IN TO REPAIR THE METER AND I MEAN TYPICALLY, UNLESS YOU REALLY HAVE SOMETHING GOING OUT, I MEAN IT'S, IT DEPENDS ON YOUR ULLAGE AND I MEAN, YOU CAN HAVE A ISSUE, BUT SOMEBODY'S TYPICALLY, IF IT'S REALLY BAD, YOU'RE TYPICALLY GONNA FIND OUT.
SO DO WE HAVE TO APPROVE THE PURCHASE OF THE GAS TONIGHT? IS THAT THE NO, NO, WE'LL DO THAT NEXT WEEK.
SO, YOU KNOW, UH, TIME IS OF ESSENCE.
I MEAN IF THERE'S ANY ISSUE HERE ON THE BOARD ABOUT CALIBRATION OR THE MAINTENANCE OF THE TANK, I'D REALLY APPRECIATE IF YOU WOULD, UM, SEND THE, YOUR QUESTIONS TO MIKE SO HE CAN ADDRESS, BECAUSE TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE HERE.
WE DON'T WANNA RUN OUT OF FUEL.
AND, UM, AND SO IF YOU, YOU KNOW, I'D APPRECIATE IF
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YOU WOULD DO THAT FOR US.I'LL LOOK BACK THROUGH MY NOTES.
BUT THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT, ABOUT THAT AT THAT TIME WE DID.
JUST TO UPDATE THE BOARD LITTLE BIT.
REMEMBER TWO YEARS AGO WE, THE COUNTY BEGAN, THE CA AVIATION WAS SOLD, RIGHT? AND WHEN IT WAS SOLD, THERE WAS A NEW VENDOR AND THE VENDOR BEGAN INVESTING MONEY IN AND BUYING FUEL.
SO THEY MADE SURE THAT IT WAS PROPERLY CALIBRATED AND MEASURING AND SO FORTH BECAUSE THEY WERE SELLING THE FUEL.
NO, AS LONG AS WE'VE GOT THAT, THEN I'LL BE GOOD ON THAT.
I JUST, WE'LL CHECK IT AGAIN THAT WE GOOD NEEDS TO BE DONE.
I MEAN, I DON'T THINK, THINK I WANNA, YOU KNOW, I'VE SAID SINCE DAY ONE ON BOTH THE AIRPORT AND THE GOLF COURSE THAT WE USED TO DUMP A TON OF MONEY IN.
AS LONG AS THEY'RE SELF-SUFFICIENT, I'M COOL WITH IT.
BUT OTHERWISE IT'S A HOBBY HOUSE FOLKS AND THE MAJORITY OF OUR TAXPAYERS DON'T FLY AIRPLANES.
SO I GOTTA BE, YOU KNOW, COGNIZANT OF THAT AND THEIR TAX MONEY.
AND I, YOU KNOW, AND AT THE SAME TIME, I DON'T WANT SOMEONE TO THINK WE'RE CHEATING THEM EITHER THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A SYSTEM THAT WE KNOW HAS HAD A PROBLEM IN THE BASS, BUT IF YOU'VE GOT A CALIBRATION AND, AND THAT SAYS THAT THOSE THINGS ARE GOOD, THEN I'M GOOD WITH IT.
IT'S JUST LIKE YOUR SCALES, MA'AM.
I MEAN YOU HAVE THE SAME GROUP OF PEOPLE, IT'S A DIFFERENT INSPECTOR, BUT I MEAN THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE FOR.
CUZ MY HUSBAND USED TO HAVE TO TAKE HIS EVERY THREE OR SO MONTHS TO RICHMOND TO GET HIM CALIBRATED AND THEN HE HAD TO HAVE THAT CALIBRATION SHEET WHEN HE WENT TO COURT.
SO THAT'S WHY I I, SO YOU HAD STATE THAT WE NEED TO HAVE CALIBRATIONS.
SO YOU HAVE A GROUP OF PEOPLE DEDICATED TO ENSURING THAT WE ARE DOING OUR JOB.
RIGHT? YOU HAVE PEOPLE THERE TO TEST THOSE METERS.
HOW MUCH FUEL DO WE HAVE LEFT? WHAT, WHAT STAFF IS ASKING IS THAT THE THREE CONTRACTS BE APPROVED ON NEXT WEEK'S REGULAR MEETING.
WE DID GO AHEAD AND ORDER FUEL SO THAT WE WOULD NOT RUN OUT OF FUEL.
WE ORDERED FUEL WELL IN ADVANCE AND THERE WAS A SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUE WITH AVIATION FUEL.
SO WHEREAS IT WOULD USUALLY TAKE THREE DAYS TO ORDER FUEL, NOW IT'S TAKING UP TO SEVEN DAYS TO ORDER FUEL.
SO WE WERE CONFIDENT THAT WE WERE NOT GONNA RUN OUT OF FUEL FOR THE EVENT THIS WEEKEND.
BUT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD FUEL FOR THIS WEEK, FUEL WAS DELIVERED AT NOON THIS AFTERNOON.
WE DID ORDER A FULL TANK, WHICH ALLOWS THE COUNTY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF NOT PAYING A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY IN FREIGHT COSTS.
SO IT'S TO OUR BEST ADVANTAGE TO BE ABLE TO ORDER A FULL TANKER, THE 8,500 GALLONS.
SO IT WAS DELIVERED TODAY AT NOON.
AND HOW MUCH DO YOU USE ON A REGULAR BASIS? I MEAN, I KNOW THAT YOU'VE LOOKED AT IT, YOU'VE GOT A HISTORY OF IT OF SOME SORTS.
IS THAT 8,000 GALLONS, IS THAT GONNA BE ENOUGH TO LAST A WEEK, A MONTH, A YEAR? WHAT WE, WE WENT OVER 2000 GALLONS LAST MONTH.
SO, YOU KNOW, I I WOULD ANTICIPATE SLOWING DOWN OPERATIONS A LITTLE BIT AS WE GET PAST NOVEMBER BECAUSE OF THE WEATHER.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY THAT WOULD LAST US THROUGH THE FIRST OF THE YEAR.
WELL, NO, WE'RE NOT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT WE CAN'T WAIT TO THE LAST MINUTE TO ORDER.
I WANTED TO KNOW WHEN THE LAST MINUTE I NEED TO ASK CAN I, LAST MINUTE WAS LAST WEEK AND WE WENT AHEAD AND DID IT.
SO WHAT PROCUREMENT METHOD DID YOU USE TO PROCURE THE, THE SO, SO SOURCE MA'AM? GAS BEFORE WE APPROVE THE CONTRACT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MS. GOD ON THIS? OKAY.
[C. Board of Assessors/Board of Equalization]
OF ASSESSORS, BOARD OF EQUALIZATION.UH, THIS, I BELIEVE, UM, EMILY PLACED A PACKET RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU.
THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY ACTION.
THE BOARD DOES NOT HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT.
SO I MADE THIS JUST AS A REFERENCE, UM, ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS TONIGHT.
BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS TONIGHT OR NEXT WEEK, PLEASE, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
UM, BUT AS THE BOARD'S AWARE, WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF TRYING TO COMPLETE OUR 2023 REASSESSMENT OF REAL PROPERTY WITHIN WARREN COUNTY.
PART OF THAT PROCESS REQUIRES THAT THE COUNTY ESTABLISH A BOARD OF ASSESSORS.
UM, THIS IS ESSENTIALLY A PROCESS WHERE ONCE THE REASSESSMENTS COMPLETED AND THE FINAL NUMBERS ARE SENT TO THE COMMISSIONER, REVENUE TAXPAYERS HAVE THE ABILITY TO, UM, DISPUTE THE ASSESSMENT.
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THE FIRST LEVEL.UM, ONCE A DECISION AT THE BOARD OF ASSESSOR'S LEVEL IS MADE, THE TAXPAYER DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO APPEAL TO THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION.
AND THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT BOARDS.
BUT FIRST WE'RE GONNA START WITH THE BOARD OF, UM, THE BOARD OF ASSESSORS.
NOW, ACCORDING TO THE VIRGINIA STATE CODE, THE, THIS BOARD HAS TWO OPTIONS.
ONE, YOU CAN APPOINT THREE MEMBERS TO THE BOARD OF ASSESSORS.
THE QUALIFICATIONS REQUIRE THAT THEY OWN LAND WITHIN WARREN COUNTY AND THEIR CITIZENS OF WARREN COUNTY.
UM, THERE IS ALSO A TRAINING COMPONENT THAT HAS TO OCCUR.
THERE HAS TO BE, UM, THE MEMBERS HAVE TO BE CERTIFIED THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF TAXATION.
BUT I HAVE FOUND, UM, VERY FRUSTRATING IS IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO FIGURE OUT, UM, WHAT THAT CERTIFICATION PROCESS IS.
SO I'M, I'M WORKING ON THAT, BUT BASED ON JUST REVIEWING THE CODE AND THE CODE SECTIONS HAVE BEEN ATTACHED TO YOUR MEMO, UM, IT DOES LOOK LIKE THE MEMBERS HAVE, MM DID YOU KNOW WHAT THE TRAINING IS? I KNOW WHAT THE BOE TRAINING, THE BOE TRAINING THAT THEY HAVE IS A WEBEX.
NOW THEY USED TO HAVE LIKE ON A CONFERENCE PHONE AND THEY ALL JOINED IN AND DID IT AT THE SAME TIME.
I'VE SENT ALL OF YOU ALL THE MANUAL FOR THE BOE SO THAT YOU ALL HAVE THAT TO CAN LOOK OVER IT AND READ IT, SEE WHAT THE QUALIFICATIONS IS FOR THE BOE MEMBERS.
LAST TIME WE, UH, YOU ALL APPOINTED FOUR PLUS AN ALTERNATE.
SO IDEALLY IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE ONE PERSON FROM EACH DISTRICT PLUS A FIFTH ALTERNATE.
BUT ONCE THEY GO THROUGH THE TRAINING AND ALL WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF TAXATION, THE NET WOULD BE THEIR CERTIFICATION.
AND THAT IS WITH THE, THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION.
BUT I, BASED ON WHAT, ON THE RESEARCH THAT I'VE DONE, I THINK THE CERTIFICATION PROCESS IS SIMILAR.
THERE'S CERTAIN COURSES THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF TAXATION HAS TO PROVIDE AND IT WOULD BE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I JUST CANNOT FIND A CLEAR CUT ANSWER.
I'M HOPING I CAN GET IN TOUCH WITH SOMEBODY AT THE DEPARTMENT OF TAXATION TO PROVIDE SOME CLARIFICATION.
BUT FOR OUR PURPOSES TONIGHT, WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE IS YOU HAVE TO FIND THREE WILLING MEMBERS WHO ARE WILLING TO BE APPOINTED TO THE BOARD OF ASSESSORS.
THIS BOARD WILL HAVE TO PROVIDE COMPENSATION TO THEM.
YOU WILL FIX, UM, FIX THE RATE, BUT THEN YOU WILL ALSO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PROVIDING ANY CLERICAL ASSISTANCE THAT THEY MAY NEED IN COMPLETING THE APPEAL PROCESS.
NOW, THERE IS ONE OTHER OPTION THAT THIS BOARD CAN DO.
YOU CAN APPOINT THE APPRAISER TO ACT IN LIEU OF THE BOARD OF ASSESSORS.
THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PREVIOUS YEARS.
UM, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE BOARD OF APPRAISERS AND THE BOARD AND THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION? WELL, ONE OF THE KEY DIFFERENCE IN, AND SHERRY HAS A LOT MORE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION, BUT THE MAIN, THE KEY DIFFERENCE IS BOARD OF, UM, ASSESSORS IS APPOINTED BY THIS BOARD AS THE GOVERNING BODY OF WARREN COUNTY, THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION.
YOU SELECT THE MEMBERS THAT CAN BE THREE TO FIVE, BUT THE CIRCUIT COURT HAS TO ENTER AN ORDER APPOINTING THEM, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DO WITH THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS.
UM, NOW IF, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE IN WHAT THEY DO FOR THE BOARD'S PURPOSE AND WHEN THEY DO IT? WELL, FIRST YOU HAVE, IT'S SIMILAR TO THE COURT SYSTEM, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE COURT SYSTEM.
THE BOARD, UH, THE BOARD OF ASSESSORS IS ESSENTIALLY LIKE OUR DISTRICT COURTS.
IT'S THE FIRST COURT THAT YOU GO TO TO HEAR YOUR, YOUR COMPLAINT, YOUR DISPUTE ABOUT YOUR REASSESSMENT.
ONCE THAT DECISION IS FINAL, THEN THE TAXPAYER HAS THE ABILITY TO APPEAL TO THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION.
UM, SIMILAR TO WHAT IF SOMEBODY'S NOT HAPPY WITH A DISTRICT COURT'S FINDING, THEY CAN APPEAL TO THE CIRCUIT COURT.
SO APPROXIMATELY WHEN WILL YOU SEND OUT NOTICES? THIS IS YOUR, YOUR NEW, UH, APPRAISAL.
NORMALLY FRED, UH, THE APPRAISER FIRM WOULD SEND THEM OUT IN OCTOBER.
AND THEN THEY WOULD HOLD THE HEARINGS.
SO WHEN ARE YOU EXPECTING TO DO THAT? IF YOU'RE NOT, UNLESS YOU'RE GONNA DO IT IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS.
SO, AND THAT, THAT'S IN, I'M SORRY.
SO TO BACK THAT UP, IF HE SENDS THEM OUT IN JANUARY, THAT MEANS HE'S LATE PAST HIS CONTRACT, DOESN'T IT? YES.
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HE DID SAY TODAY I TALKED TO HIM ON THE PHONE.HE SAID HE COULD PROBABLY MAIL THEM OUT IN DECEMBER.
BUT HE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO HOLD THE HEARINGS.
SO THEY'RE MAILED OUT IN DECEMBER.
AND THEN IS THERE 30 DAYS OR 60 DAYS FOR THE BOARD TO MEET? FOR THE FIRST BOARD TO MEET? I WANT YOU TO GET A SCHEDULE APPROXIMATELY.
I THINK ONCE HE SENDS THEM OUT, THEN HE'S GOT EVERYTHING FINALIZED ON, ON THE ASSESSMENT PORTION.
SO ONCE HE SENDS THEM OUT, THEN HE HAS SET DATES, IT HAS TO BE ADVERTISED FOR THE DATES IN THE TIMES.
AND THEN THEY WOULD JUST CALL IN AND, AND HE ACCEPTS WOULD BE ACCEPTED APPEALS FROM EMAILS, PHONE.
AND THAT WOULD BE DONE IN JANUARY? YES.
AND THAT COULD BE A BOARD THAT YOU APPOINT UNDER THESE FIRST COUPLE OF PARAGRAPHS OR IT COULD BE DONE BY THE ASSESSOR APPRAISER RATHER DOWN HERE UNDER SECTION B, THIS FOURTH PARAGRAPH, WHICH IS WHAT YOU'VE DONE IN THE PAST.
AND SO IF THAT'S DONE IN JANUARY, THEN WHAT HAPPENS? THEN? ONCE HE FINALIZES EVERYTHING, THEN HE TURNS THE RECORDS OVER TO US.
AND WHEN TO THE COMMISSIONER'S OFFICE, WHEN WOULD THAT BE? COURSE THEY'RE LOOKING AT MAYBE THE MIDDLE OF FEBRUARY.
SO YOU RECEIVED THE RECORDS IN THE MIDDLE OF FEBRUARY AND WHAT HAPPENS? OKAY, AFTER THAT IS DONE, THEN WE WORK ON HAVING THE, UH, BOE HEARINGS.
AND AGAIN, WE WOULD HAVE TO, UH, SET UP DATES AND ADVERTISE THEM AND HAVE THE TIME SET UP.
THEY WOULD CALL IN, THE PROPERTY OWNERS WOULD CALL INTO MY OFFICE AND SET UP THE MEETINGS AND WE WOULD HAVE THEM ALL SET UP.
AND THEN WE HAD TO GIVE THEM, UM, ANY INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE, USUALLY THE PROPERTY CARDS AND SO FORTH, ANY OF THAT DATA THAT THEY WANT.
IT COULD BE EVEN SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
THEY MAY WANT PROPERTY CARDS FOR THAT.
SO THAT BE IN FEBRUARY? THAT MAY NOT BE UNTIL MARCH.
BY THE TIME WE, IT'S, IT'S SPREAD OUT A LITTLE BIT.
SO IF THAT'S DONE IN MARCH, WHEN IS, WHEN ARE THE BOOKS FINAL FOR THE BOARD'S REVIEW? THE, UM, WE COULD RUN THE BOOKS BEFORE THE BOE HEARINGS.
AND THEN ANY CHANGES THAT HAS TO BE DONE, THEN WE COULD ADJUST THEM AT THAT TIME IN MY OFFICE.
SO WHEN WOULD, AND THAT WOULD BE, WOULD THE, WHEN WOULD THE BOARD BE ABLE TO CONSIDER SETTING THE RATE? CUZ THERE'S GONNA BE A ADJUSTER'S GONNA BE A NEW TOTAL THAT SAYS THE VALUATION IS UP 10%.
AND SO THE BOARD'S THEN GONNA SAY, OKAY, WE CAN ROLL BACK THE RATE APPROXIMATELY 10%, 6 CENTS, WHATEVER IT COMES OUT TO BE.
WHEN CAN THEY DO THAT? WHEN UM, ONCE WE GET THE, THE B UH, BOA HEARINGS DONE, THEN THAT COULD BE DONE.
SO THAT, THAT'S THE B ONCE, ONCE THE FINAL BOOKS, THE RECORDS ARE TURNED OVER TO MY OFFICE, THEN YOU COULD WORK ON THAT.
BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN, CUZ YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AFTER THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION HEARINGS, THE BOOK CAN BE RUN BEFORE THE BOE HEARINGS.
CAN THEY BE RUN AFTER THE FIRST SET OF HEARINGS? THE APPRAISERS OR THE ASSESSORS RATHER? IN JANUARY, ONCE THEY TURN THE RECORDS OVER TO MY OFFICE A FINAL COPY THEN YES, THEY COULD DO THAT.
SO IF THEY MAIL OUT THE NOTICES IN DECEMBER MM-HMM.
THEN MID-FEBRUARY THE BOOKS WOULD BE DONE.
SO MID-FEBRUARY WE WOULD BE ABLE TO GIVE THE BOARD THE RESULTS.
AND THE BOARD WOULD BE ABLE TO CONSIDER THE REDUCTION, HOWEVER, THE EQUALIZATION OF THE RATE AND THAT WOULD BE DONE IN THAT TAKES APPROXIMATELY
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30 DAYS.AND THAT CAN BE DONE PARALLEL WITH THE EQUALIZATION HEARINGS.
SO YOU WOULD ALREADY BE SET FOR YOUR YES MA'AM.
SO I'M CONFUSED BECAUSE, SO WHY WOULD YOU HAVE EQUALIZATION OR WHY WOULD YOU HAVE APPRAISAL HEARINGS BEFORE THE BOARD SET THE RATE? BECAUSE THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS IS WHAT IS THE APPRAISED VALUE OF THE HOUSE.
AND IF IT'S GONE UP X AMOUNT, THEN PEOPLE THINK THEY'RE GONNA BE BILLED BASED ON THE RATE THAT EXISTS TODAY ON THE, ON THE VALUATION OF THEIR HOME AFTER THE ATTACKS ASSESSMENT.
SO THEY DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO EQUALIZE IT UNTIL AFTER THEY APPEAL THE APPRAISAL.
THEY HAVE TWO CHANCES TO APPEAL.
SO THEY CAN APPEAL IT EARLY OR THEY CAN APPEAL IT AFTER WE SET? THEY CAN DO BOTH.
SO THAT'S WHAT I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND MY, IF MY HOUSE INCREASES 10% OKAY.
AND I GO TO APPEAL AND THEY SAY, WELL NO ACTUALLY YOUR HOUSE SHOULD BE 12% CAUSE IT CAN BE TOTALLY LOST MY APPEAL
UH, THEN AT THAT TIME THEN THEY GIVE THE BOOKS AFTER EVERYBODY'S HAD THAT FIRST OPPORTUNITY, THEN THEY GIVE THE BOOKS AND THEY SAY THAT THE TOTAL VALUATION IS UP 10%.
I DIDN'T, I'M NOT SAYING WHAT IT, I'M GIVING YOU AN HE'S HYPOTHETICAL.
LET'S HOPE THEY DON'T USE ZILLOW.
THEN THE BOARD CAN BEGIN THE PROCESS OF SAYING, THIS IS HOW WE ROLL BACK THE RATE PARALLEL WITH THAT.
I HAVE A SECOND CHANCE TO APPEAL MY RATE, WHICH IS NOW 12%.
AND AT THE SECOND HEARING, MAYBE THEY'LL ROLL IT BACK TO 10%.
IN EITHER CASE MY, WHATEVER MY NEW THING IS, IT'S GONNA BE BASED ON THE NEW RATE.
SO IF THE RATE IS 10% DROPPED, SO THERE'S 6 CENTS OFF THE RATE, THEN IT WILL BE MY NEW FINAL VALUE TIMES 61 INSTEAD OF 67.
DOES THAT MAKE THAT FOLLOW? YEAH, I'M FOLLOWING.
STILL SEEMS LIKE AN AWKWARD PROCESS TO ME.
IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE THAT YOU WOULD SAY, HERE'S THE COUNTY'S APPRAISAL, APPRAISALS HAVE GONE UP THIS AMOUNT, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA EQUALIZE THE RATE.
NOW TAXPAYERS, IF YOU WANT TO DISPUTE COME BECAUSE NOW YOU KNOW WHICH TAX BILL'S GONNA BE.
WELL, DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? CUZ YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR TAX BILL IS VERSUS NOT KNOWING WHAT YOUR TAX BILL'S GONNA BE BASED BECAUSE THE BOARD HASN'T TAKEN ACTION ON THE RATE AT THAT POINT.
BUT YOU'RE GOING TO ASSUME AT HOME YOU'RE GOING TO ASSUME YOUR OLD RATE.
RIGHT? YOU'RE GONNA ASSUME THE CURRENT RATE.
SO THAT ONCE THAT YOU'RE GONNA WANNA SAY, OH MY, MY VALUE HERE, MY TAXES ARE GONNA GO UP 10%, WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS.
SO I'M GOING TO APPEAL, BUT I'M NOT APPEALING THE TAXES, I'M APPEALING THE VALUE.
AND I THINK A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE APPEAL BECAUSE YOU, YOU DON'T EVEN SEE THE TAX ASSESSOR COME AROUND.
AND IF YOU'VE GOT SAY A RIGHT AWAY ACROSS YOUR PROPERTY OR YOU KNOW, YOU FEEL LIKE YOUR HOUSE HAS BEEN VALUED BECAUSE MAYBE THEY THOUGHT YOU HAD WOOD FLOORS AND YOU DON'T HAVE WOOD FLOORS.
AND THEN YOU CAN TELL THAT PERSON THAT IN PERSON MAY NOT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE, BUT THEY CAN, YOU CAN TELL IT.
UM, MY QUESTION IS, I, I'M SITTING HERE THINKING IF I, IF THE PERSON WHO APPRAISED MY HOUSE THE FIRST TIME IS THE PERSON I'M APPEALING TO, HOW GOOD A CHANCE DO I HAVE TO APPEAL? THAT PERSON'S ALREADY MADE ONE DECISION.
SO, AND I KNOW IT'S HARD TO GET PEOPLE, UM, TO GET ON TO BE AN ASSESSOR, YOU KNOW, CUZ I'M SURE THAT'S NOT, I I REMEMBER WHEN MY UNCLE DID THAT AND IT WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, HE WAS RETIRED AND I THINK HE KIND OF ENJOYED IT, BUT IT WAS A LONG PROCESS THAT TOOK A BIT OF TIME TO DO IT.
BUT THAT, THAT'S MY CONCERN IS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE BASICALLY GOING BACK TO THE PERSON WHO'S ALREADY DECIDED WHAT THE VALUE OF YOUR HOUSE IS AND TRYING TO SAY, NO, I DON'T AGREE
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WITH THIS.AND, YOU KNOW, HOW HAS THAT WORKED? DO YOU FEEL IT'S BEEN A FAIR PROCESS THERE? UH, THERE THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS THERE'S BEEN FOUR TO FIVE PEOPLE OUT IN THE FIELD AT DIFFERENT TIMES.
AND I CAN REFERENCE TO THE LAST TIME THAT WE HAD ONE, THERE WAS USUALLY ONE OR TWO PEOPLE THERE FOR THE APPEALS AND THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN THE SAME PERSON GOING OUT.
UM, BUT, AND I'M NOT SURE IF FRED'S GONNA BE AT THE APPEALS OR NOT.
AND THEN I THINK HE WOULD DO THE SECOND PERSON, THE SECOND APPEALS RATHER THE BOARD OF ASSESSORS, THOSE ARE THE INDEPENDENT PEOPLE THAT YOU APPOINT IN JANUARY AND, AND THEY WORK EQUALIZATION THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION.
SO THEY'RE, THAT'S THE BOARD THAT'S GOING TO BE THE CITIZENS THAT ARE GOING TO LOOK AND SAY, WELL YOU'RE RIGHT.
ALL OF YOUR NEIGHBORS HOUSES LOOK THE SAME AS YOURS AND THEY'RE ALL 5% LESS THAN YOURS.
THAT'S WHERE YOU COME IN TO DO THAT.
BUT THIS GROUP WILL BE ABLE, THEY'RE PROFESSIONAL APPRAISERS, THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO LOOK AT IT AND SAY, WELL, YEAH, THIS, WE CERTAINLY MAKE MISTAKES.
OKAY, I, I JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT IS MY CONCERN BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT THINK I DON'T MAKE A MISTAKE AND THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT IT IS AND YOU GET, I JUST WANT THE PEOPLE TO FEEL THEY'VE HAD A FAIR PROCESS OF, AND THAT'S THE FIRST THING THAT HIT MY HEAD.
WELL, HOW FAIR OF A CHANCE DO I HAVE WHEN I'M TALKING TO THE PERSON THAT MAY HAVE DONE MY ASSESSMENT IN THE FIRST PLACE? SO, RIGHT.
WELL THE, IF IF YOU APPOINT THREE PEOPLE TO WORK ALONG WITH THESE ASSESSORS, THEN THEY CAN, IF THERE'S A PROBLEM CASE, THEY MAY GO OUT IN THE FIELD AND LOOK AT THE HOUSE THEMSELVES ALTOGETHER.
THE LAST TWO REASSESSMENTS THAT WE HAD, WHICH COVERS EIGHT YEARS, JUST THE, UM, PROFESSIONAL APPRAISERS HANDLED THE APPEALS FOR THE, THE FIRST TIME.
AND WAS THAT PROCESS, DID YOU FEEL THAT IT WAS EQUALLY AS GOOD THAT WAY AS IT WAS BY HAVING THE APPOINTED PEOPLE? OR DO YOU FEEL LIKE THERE WERE FLAWS THAT WE NEED TO, TO BE AWARE OF TO HERE? I THINK IT, IT WENT WELL.
I THINK, UM, WERE YOU GONNA SEE THE DIFFERENCES? YOU WOULD BE HAVING CITIZENS IN THAT GROUP WORKING ALONG WITH THE PROFESSIONAL APPRAISERS.
UM, SO IT KIND IS IT A CITIZEN, CITIZEN APPOINTMENT FOR THE CITIZENS? RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, FOR ON YOUR OWN GET SOME REPRESE, IT GIVES THEM REPRESENTATION.
AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT THAT, THAT THE CITIZENS HAVE PEOPLE, THEIR PEERS AS REPRESENTATION.
SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PROFESSIONAL APPRAISALS, I, I CONSIDER A PROFESSIONAL APPRAISAL.
SOMEBODY WALKS THROUGH MY HOUSE AND LOOKS AT THE FINISHES AND ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS, BUT THESE GUYS JUST DO EVERYTHING FROM THE OUTSIDE.
SO THEY'RE MAKING SOME ASSUMPTIONS YES.
BASED ON THEIR EXTERIOR WALK OUTSIDE.
BECAUSE I HAD A TAX ASSESSOR IN MY DRIVEWAY, SO I KNOW THAT THAT PERSON DIDN'T COME IN.
SOME OF THE COMMON MISTAKES THAT IS HARD FROM LOOKING FROM THE OUTSIDE IN, IT'S LIKE FINISHED BASEMENTS FOR EXAMPLE, SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE CURTAINS HANGING UP AND OH WELL IT'S A FINISHED BASEMENT, WHAT MIGHT NOT BE.
SO WE HAVE CORRECTED THOSE OVER THE YEARS.
BECAUSE I DID NOT HAVE ONE AND IT GOT ASSESSED.
SO, BUT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT.
I HAVE TIME THAT NEED TO BE FIXED.
AND THEY WILL CROP UP FOR THE FIRST APPEALS AND THEY WILL CROP UP FOR THE BOE AND THEN WE WILL HAVE MORE AFTER THAT.
SO, SO IF WE DECIDE TO GO WITH APPOINTING, UH, CITIZENS AS WELL AS GOING WITH THE APPRAISERS, WHAT'S THE TIMELINE TO GET, I GUESS WE NEED TO START LOOKING NOW, NOW
ACCORDING TO THE CODE, THE ASSESSMENT HAS TO BE COMPLETED DECEMBER 31ST OF THIS YEAR.
UM, WE'VE HEARD WORD THAT THAT'S, THAT MAY NOT OCCUR, WHICH MEANS WE NEED THE BOARD OF ASSESSORS TO ESSENTIALLY, UM, FILE A PETITION WITH THE CIRCUIT COURT ASKING FOR THE COURT TO EXTEND AND THE COURT CAN EXTEND THE DEADLINE UP TO THREE MONTHS.
I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT JUST TWO LESS THAN THAT.
BUT WE ARE ON A TIGHT, UM, TIGHT SCHEDULE JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE MEET THAT DECEMBER 31ST DEADLINE.
WHY IS THE, THE THIS PERSON THAT WE'VE CONTRACTED WITH LATE
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THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO ASK NEXT TUESDAY.MA'AM, WHY DO YOU, BECAUSE IF HE'S UNDER CONTRACT AND HE'S NOT MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS OF HIS CONTRACT, THEN I THINK WE HAVE AN ISSUE ALL AND OF ITSELF,
ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD NOTE MRS. JORDAN POINTED OUT IS YOU CAN APPOINT THESE THREE ASSESSORS AND THEN THE PROFESSIONAL APPRAISER SITS WITH THEM TO BE ABLE TO SAY, WELL THIS IS HOW THEY CAME UP WITH THIS NUMBER.
AND THE BOARD CAN THEN SAY, WELL, THEY AGREE OR THEY DON'T OR THEY AGREE WITH THE CITIZEN OR THE APPRAISER MAY SAY, OH, I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN HERE.
WE'LL HAVE TO REDUCE THIS AND THEY CAN TAKE CARE OF THAT.
WELL, AND I WILL ALSO NOTE IN OUR CONTRACT WITH PEARSON, THERE IS A CLAUSE THAT REQUIRES, UM, THEM TO PARTICIPATE AS A WITNESS, PROVIDE SUPPORTING EVIDENCE IN ANY TYPE OF APPEAL, UM, WITHOUT CHARGING ANY ADDITIONAL CHARGES.
SO THAT'S ALREADY BEEN CONTEMPLATED IN THE CONTRACT THAT HE WOULD ASSIST IF THE BOARD DECIDES TO APPOINT THE THREE MEMBER BOARD OF ASSESSORS.
SO DO, IS THERE AN ADVERTISING PROCESS THAT YOU DO OR IS THAT SOMETHING WE START MAKING PHONE CALLS? I THINK YOU NEED TO DO BOTH MRS. UH, SHIRAI CAN GET IT ADVERTISED IN OUR REGULAR ADVERTISEMENTS, BUT YOU NEED TO BE CALLING SOME PEOPLE AND GET THESE PEOPLE SO YOU CAN GET THEM APPOINTED.
IF NOT, UH, NEXT TUESDAY, THE 1ST OF NOVEMBER.
OR WE CAN GO WITH THE SECOND ALTERNATIVE.
YOU CAN GO WITH THE SECOND ALTERNATIVE IF YOU LIKE.
BUT WE NEED TO BE MOVING THIS ALONG.
SO WHAT WOULD BE OUR, UM, TARGET DATE TO HAVE THESE, UM, THE PROPERTIES ASSESSED BY THE END OF DECEMBER? YES.
TO, TO HAVE THE WHOLE PROCESS COMPLETED TO BE ABLE TO MAIL THESE, BILLING THESE NOTES OUT IN DECEMBER SO THAT THE HEARINGS CAN BE HELD IN JANUARY.
AND THEY HAVE TO BE TRAINED THAT'S RIGHT.
IN NOVEMBER, BUT THE PANEL WOULDN'T GO TO WORK UNTIL JANUARY.
BUT, AND THE TRAINING WILL BE, BELIEVE THE TRAINING WILL ALL BE ONLINE.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE AROUND THE WORLD TO GO SO WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THEM WORKING.
WE, BUT WE'VE GOTTA HAVE THEM READY TO BE WORKING.
BUT WE GOTTA BE AVAILABLE IN THE MONTH OF JANUARY TO GO TO WORK.
WE'RE NOT GONNA DO IT THE LAST TWO WEEKS OF DECEMBER, BUT IF WE CAN GET THE BILLS OUT THEN WE CAN BE DOING IT EARLY JANUARY.
DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA THE NUMBER OF HOURS THAT SOMEBODY WOULD NEED TO COMMIT TO DO THIS? YOU WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE EASY TO FIND ONLINE? IT DOES NOT.
I AM GOING TO CONTINUE TO TRY TO GET IN TOUCH WITH SOMEBODY AT THE DEPARTMENT OF TAXATION BECAUSE ACCORDING TO THE CODE, IT DOES SEEM AS THOUGH THE TRAINING IS NOT A NECESSARILY A MANDATORY THING, BUT, WELL IF YOU READ MULTIPLE CODE SECTIONS TOGETHER, IT DOES READ AS THOUGH IT'S MANDATORY BUT IS SET BY THE DEPARTMENT OF TAXATION WHAT THAT TRAINING LOOKS LIKE.
AND THAT'S WHAT I HAVE BEEN UNABLE TO REALLY F FIND OUT.
AND SO I'M GOING TO CONTINUE TO TRY TO CONTACT SOMEBODY TO GET ANSWERS BECAUSE IT'S NOT ONLINE.
IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE BEFORE WE ASK PEOPLE, WE, THE FIRST QUESTION IS HOW MANY, HOW MUCH TIME DO I NEED TO DEVOTE TO THIS? ABSOLUTELY.
WELL YOU YOU SHOULD FIGURE, UM, APPROXIMATELY A WEEK.
WE MAY GET DONE IN THREE DAYS, BUT IT COULD EASILY TAKE A WEEK DEPENDING UPON HOW MANY APPEALS WE HAVE.
I WAS GONNA SAY AND HOW LONG WE TAKE WITH THE APPEALS.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY CAN BE PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
OR IT CAN BE SOMETHING WHERE WE UH, WANDER AROUND, UH, FOR A WHILE.
DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA SINCE YOU'VE THE LAST TWO REASSESSMENTS? IT'S BEEN ABOUT TWO WEEKS.
THE FIRST SET OF APPEALS, BUT WE MAY GET MORE THIS TIME AROUND.
ARE WE TALKING EIGHT HOURS A DAY? TWO FOR TWO WEEKS STRAIGHT, APPROXIMATELY? IT WAS VARIOUS TIMES, YEAH.
SO DO YOU, DO YOU THINK THAT WILL CHANGE IF WE HAD A BOARD VERSUS JUST HAVING A PROFESSIONAL APPRAISER? IT'LL TAKE LONGER.
THAT'S WHAT I GOT BECAUSE THE INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS WILL GET INTO VARIOUS DISCUSSIONS.
SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, SO DECEMBER IS THIS DECEMBER OF NEXT YEAR? OR DECEMBER THIS YEAR.
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SO DID YOU HAVE ANY CHALLENGES WITH THE LAST ASSESSMENT HAVING JUST A PROFESSIONAL APPRAISER? NO.ANY ISSUES, YOU KNOW, WHATSOEVER.
I MEAN WE HAVE THE COMMON ISSUES LIKE THE FINISHED BASEMENT OR SOMEONE TO COME IN AND SAY, WELL MY SQUARE FOOTAGE IS WRONG.
OR WE HAVE THOSE THINGS AND WE JUST, WE CORRECT THEM.
THAT'S PART OF THE, THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS.
AND THIS, SO I'M READING HERE THAT THE, UM, WE ALREADY HAVE SOMEONE, WE ALREADY HAVE A CONTRACT FOR, UM, APPRAISAL SERVICES.
WOULD THIS BE PART OF THE SCOPE OF THEIR EXISTING CONTRACT? I DID NOT SEE IT IN HERE.
UM, THAT THIS WAS CONTEMPLATED IN THIS CONTRACT.
I THINK HE HAS SAID THAT HE WOULD, PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I THINK HE SAID THAT HE WOULD SERVE IN THAT CAPACITY IF THE BOARD ASKED HIM TO AMENDED HIS CONTRACT MM-HMM.
DO WE KNOW WHAT THEIR COMPENSATION PAY IS? TYPICALLY WE WOULD HAVE TO SET THAT OKAY.
AND THAT INCLUDES CALLS FOR, UH, CLERICAL ASSISTANCE AND THAT TYPE OF THING.
ESSENTIALLY YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE ALL THE SUPPORT THAT THEY NEED FROM OFFICE SUPPLIES AND YOU KNOW, ANY HELP, THAT KIND OF THING.
SO, SO WHEN WOULD YOU, WE WANT TO HAVE OUR BOARD OF ASSESSORS, UM, APPOINTED IN OCTOBER, NOVEMBER OR DECEMBER, NOVEMBER ONE? NO, WE WOULD WANT TO HAVE THEM APPOINTED AND THEN WE GO WITH THE TRAINING AND THEN THEY CAN HAVE THEIR TRAINING BE READY FOR DECEMBER AND JANUARY TO ACTUALLY GO OUT AND SIT AS THE BOARD.
THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING AND THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
IT'S 20 DAYS THEY WILL, WILL NOT FORGET.
SO DO WE KNOW SINCE IT'S NOT IN THE CONTRACT WITH THE APPRAISERS, HOW MUCH ADDITIONAL HE WOULD BE TO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE? HE'S GOT THAT HE WOULD WORK WITH OUR BOARD IF WE HAD OUR OWN THAT I DON'T KNOW.
I WAS REREADING THINGS THINK THE, THE PROVISION JUST TO SEE WHAT THE GOING, IT'S PART OF THE CONTRACT NOW.
YOU WOULD, BUT THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, IT IS, UM, IT IS WRITTEN AS THOUGH HE WOULD PROVIDE SUPPORT, NOT ACTUALLY BE THE ONE HEARING THE APPEALS MM-HMM.
UM, THE THING IS, IS THAT HE SHOULD ALREADY BE CERTIFIED AND SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE TRAINING PROCESS.
HE WOULD JUST ALREADY BE READY TO GO.
IS THIS THE SAME APPRAISER THAT YOU HAD THE LAST ASSESSMENT? IS THIS A NEW IT'S A NEW ONE.
GOING BACK TO THE DAY, TO THE COMPENSATION RATHER.
IT'S USUALLY SOMETHING TYPICALLY LIKE A HUNDRED DOLLARS A DAY IS WHAT IT IS.
UH, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE HERE EIGHT HOURS, SO THEY'RE GONNA MAKE LESS THAN FLIPPING BURGERS.
BUT WE'LL BRING THEM, WE'LL BRING THEM THEIR, THEIR BURGERS.
JUST SPEAKING FOR AN EXPERIENCE TRYING TO FIND SOMEONE WOULD LET THIS ANYTIME I FINANCIAL OR TAX ASSESSMENT EXPERIENCE WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO RECRUIT PEOPLE FOR THE FINANCE AUDIT COMMITTEE.
YOU KNOW, IT, IT TOOK US MONTHS, MONTHS TO FIND THE RIGHT PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVE THAT KIND OF KNOWLEDGE.
YOU KNOW, I WOULD THINK THAT REAL ESTATE AGENTS WOULD BE IDEAL FOR THIS.
WOULD THEY ANY, ANYBODY THAT'S INVOLVED IN THE REAL ESTATE WORKINGS.
YOU KNOW, SO EVEN WITH THAT, YES.
THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF PEOPLE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
AND THE BOE, THAT'S ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS THAT THEY WANT.
THEY WANT SOMEBODY THAT'S HAD SOME SORT OF REAL ESTATE EXPERIENCE, FINANCIAL EXPERIENCE MM-HMM.
BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST A PRAISING PROPERTY, IT'S ALSO ASSESSING YES.
SO IT'S MORE THAN JUST MORE THAN THAT I WOULD ASSUME A UH, A REAL ESTATE PERSON SKILLSET WOULD BRING IN, I MEAN, NOT TO SAY THERE MAY BE SOME THAT MAY HAVE THAT FINANCIAL BACKGROUND TO DO BOTH, BUT IT, IT'S, UM, I WOULD THINK IT'S A SPECIALIZED, UM, SKILL SET AND I WOULD KEEP THAT IN MIND CUZ YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO APPOINT SOMEONE TO THE BOARD OF, UM, EQUALIZATION MM-HMM.
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SO JUST BALANCING THE, THE SLOTS WITH BOARD APPRAISER ASSESSORS AND THEN KEEPING IN MIND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE THREE TO FIVE MEMBERS.WELL REALLY, AND EVEN ALTERNATES FOR THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION D PEOPLE, THEY GOT TRAINING THAT THEY HAVE TO BE DIFFERENT PEOPLE CORRECT PEOPLE.
AND WE NEED TO HAVE THOSE BY THE SAME TIMELINE.
WELL THERE YOU, YOU'VE GOT AN EXTRA MONTH FOR THE SECOND GROUP, BUT WHEN YOU TALK TO SOMEBODY, YOU NEED TO REMEMBER YOU CAN ONLY APPOINT THEM ONCE.
SO IF YOU WANT THEM OVER HERE, YOU CAN'T PUT 'EM OVER HERE.
BUT WE MIGHT AS WELL START WITH THE SAME TIMELINE CUZ IT GIVES US A MONTH.
BUT THAT'S, WE NEED EIGHT PEOPLE.
IF YOU DO THE THREE, THE THREE MEMBER BOARD OF ASSESSORS AND THEN FIVE ON THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION, YOU CAN DO THREE, THREE TO FIVE MEMBERS, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO HAVE ALTERNATES.
SO YOU COULD GET BY WITH SIX PLUS AN ALTERNATE.
SO WHEN DO YOU NEED A DECISION FROM US ON THE FIRST GROUP? WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT NOVEMBER ONE AT YOUR NOVEMBER ONE MEETING.
WELL, I MEAN THE DECISION IF WE'RE GONNA DO THE BOARD OR IF WE'RE JUST GONNA GO WITH THE ALTERNATIVE THAT YOU SHOULD TALK ABOUT NEXT WEEK, NEXT WEEK, WHICH WAY YOU WANT TO GO.
WELL THAT'LL GIVE US TIME BETWEEN NOW AND THEN TO JUST START SURVEYING THE COMMUNITY.
I MEAN, I, I KNOW REAL ESTATE APPRAISERS, I KNOW REAL ESTATE AGENTS, SO I CERTAINLY WILL KNOCK ON THEIR DOORS FIRST AND SAY, SO WE COME SERVE YOUR COUNTY
WE CAN DO RIGHT, RIGHT AFTER MR. ROBERTSON'S PRESENTATION AT SIX O'CLOCK NEXT WEEK.
WE CAN DISCUSS WHICH WAY YOU'RE GONNA GO.
AND IF I FIND OUT ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REGARDING THE TRAINING FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF TAXATION, I WILL UPDATE YOU AS SOON AS I FIND OUT I WILL.
I JUST DON'T WANT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA BE RUNNING IN AT THE FINISH LINE WITH THIS, ESPECIALLY NEXT YEAR IS GONNA BE A MAJOR, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT IN THE VALUES OF THE PROPERTY AND THEN I THINK IT'D BE ONLY FAIR TO OUR COMMUNITY, THE SOONER THE BETTER.
SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW HOW I'M LOOKING AT THIS AND I DID SEND OUT THE BOE MANUAL TO ALL OF YOU BY EMAIL THIS AFTERNOON.
THE TRAINING'S GONNA TAKE AT LEAST A COUPLE HOURS.
THAT'LL GIVE YOU SOME INFORMATION, SOME IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
DID YOU HAVE THE QUESTION MR. MAY? NO, I DON'T THINK.
NEXT IS THE CURRENT AND FUTURE PROJECTS INITIATIVES OF THE DEPARTMENT OF FIRE
[D. Update of Current and Future Projects/Initiatives of the Department of Fire and Rescue Services]
AND RESCUE SERVICES CHIEF EN HELLO EVERYONE.SO GOOD EVENING, UH, HERE THIS EVENING TO GIVE JUST AN OVERVIEW ON AN UPDATE OF OUR CURRENT AND FUTURE PROJECTS ON INITIATIVES HERE AT DEPARTMENT OF FIRE AND RESCUE.
SO IF YOU WOULD BEAR WITH ME, I HAVE A LITTLE PRESENTATION, JUST, UH, A LITTLE CONTEXT.
THIS IS THE PLANNING PROCESS WE USE, UM, IN THE DEPARTMENT AND WE REALLY TRY TO STICK TO IT AND KIND OF HOLD OURSELVES ACCOUNTABLE, ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
PEOPLE ARE A LOT SMARTER THAN ME TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ON GOAL, UM, AND STICK INTO OUR PRIORITIES, WHICH LEADS US TO THE NEXT PAGE.
UM, 22 MONTHS AGO I WAS FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO COME ABOARD AND WORK WITH Y'ALL AND I SET THESE THREE PRIORITIES.
NOT THAT THERE ARE ANYTHING REALLY FANTASTIC, BUT THEY'RE VERY IMPORTANT.
AND, UH, FROM LEFT TO RIGHT, IT'S, UH, SAFE STAFFING, ENSURING THE SAFETY AND ACCOUNTABILITY OF EMERGENCY PERSONNEL.
AND THE SECOND, UM, BEING SAFE AND RELIABLE APPARATUS AND EQUIPMENT AND FOLLOWING THE THIRD, UM, FIRE STATIONS THAT ARE SAFE AND FACILITY MANAGEMENT IS WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE.
SO JUST AN UPDATE ON SOME OF THE CURRENT PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE GOING ON RIGHT NOW.
UM, IN THE BUDGET YEAR YOU APPROVE THREE FLOATER POSITIONS.
WE'RE HIRED AND ADDED TO THE DEPARTMENT IN AUGUST.
UM, AND WITH THAT WE HAVE SEVEN PARAMEDICS THAT ARE, HAVE GRADUATED FROM SCHOOL.
THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW OF FINALIZING THEIR ROTATIONS.
UM, AND ARE CORNERSTONE IS, IS
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PART OF THEIR CAPSTONE INVOLVEMENT.BASICALLY THEIR PRACTICAL APPLICATION RIGHT NOW IN THE FIELD.
UM, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF WORKING WITH THE HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT, UM, LOOKING AT SEVERAL, UM, PROMOTIONAL PROCESS TO INCLUDE ASSISTANT CHIEF, BATTALION CHIEF CAPTAIN, AND THEN FINALLY LIEUTENANT.
AND OBVIOUSLY, AND I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE HEARD THIS FROM ME A LOT, WE'RE ALWAYS CONTINUALLY LOOKING TO EVALUATE OUR STAFFING NEEDS AND DOING BETTER WAYS TO DO BUSINESS.
DALEY, MYSELF, MISS COLORS, UM, UH, MET WITH THE LEADERSHIP AT THE SAN JEWEL SANO SHORES COMMUNITY, OUR FIRE STATION FIVE.
UM, WORKING WITH THEIR LEADERSHIP TO EXAMINE THE IMPACT OF LIMITED COMMUNITY INGRESS AND EGRESS ISSUES.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THAT WAS, UM, BROUGHT TO, UM, A HEIGHTENED STATE OVER THE RAILROAD AND SOME OF THE DELAYS, UM, INGRESS ISSUES WE WERE HAVING SPECIFICALLY FOR EMERGENCY RESPONSE AND ALSO FOLKS THAT NEEDED TO GET OUT OF THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.
UM, TODAY I RECEIVED FROM THEIR LEADERSHIP OR REQUEST TO ME THAT I MOVED TO DR.
DALEY BASICALLY ASKING FOR CAREER STAFF 24 7, 365 ON ALL THREE SHIFTS IN THEIR COMMUNITY.
UM, MOVING ON TO THE NEXT JERRY, IF YOU WOULD.
UH, CHANO FARMS COMMUNITY FIRE STATION PROJECT.
UH, SO WE HAD A FIELD TRIP THE OTHER DAY.
UM, WE ACTUALLY STARTED AT FIRE STATION 10, UM, IDENTIFIED AND HAD SOME GOOD CONVERSATIONS THERE, SOME NEEDS.
AND THEN WE MOVED TO THE, UM, COMMUNITY FIRE STATION LOCATION OR THE PROPOSED, UM, LOCATION ON HOWWELL ROAD.
CURRENTLY WE'RE JUST IN THE DESIGN PHASE, WE'RE WORKING ON THE SPECIFICATIONS AND THE NEEDS FOR THAT SITE, UM, WHERE THAT'S MYSELF AND, UH, CAPTAIN SE OUT THERE DISCUSSING SOME OF THE BOUNDARIES AND SOME OF THE OPPORTUNITIES AS WE MOVE AHEAD THAT FIREHOUSE.
UM, AND WHERE IT'S PROPOSED MOVES US 3.4 MILES CENTRAL, UM, DOWN HOUSE ROAD AND CLOSER TO OUR CALL CENTER IF YOU WILL.
UM, AND NEXT WE'RE MOVING ON TO THE LINDON FIRE STATION OR FIRE STATION FOUR.
WE'RE CONTINUING TO WORK WITH THE VOLUNTEER LEADERSHIP THERE, UM, ENSURING THAT WE HAVE GOOD CONTINUITY OF OPERATIONS, THE COMMUNITY FIRE STATION, WHICH I THINK WE'VE ACHIEVED ALSO WORKING WITH, UH, MR. BARRY'S SHOP AND MICHAEL FELD AND WORKING ON ABATEMENT A MOLD AND ELECTRICAL ISSUES AND SOME SAFETY RELATED ISSUES IN THE LIVING AREAS AND CONDITIONS OF FIRE STATION FOUR WE'RE SCOPING THAT DOCUMENT TO BE PLACED OUT TO BID.
UM, SO WORK'S GOING ON AND STUFF'S GETTING DONE.
UH, DURING THE STOP AT NORTH WARREN OR FIRE STATION 10 THE OTHER DAY, WE HAD SOME GOOD CONVERSATIONS, UM, LARGE, LARGELY BORN FROM QUESTIONS THAT MS. COOK ASKED IN REGARDS TO THE SAFETY AND WELFARE OF, UM, OUR PERSONNEL IN THE FACILITY.
AND THERE'S SEVERAL ISSUES WE'RE HAVING SPECIFICALLY IN THE AREA OF CANCER PROTECTIONS AND SOME OF THE DIESEL EXHAUST AND SOME PERMEATING OUR LIVING QUARTERS, SPECIFICALLY THE BUNK ROOMS, ET CETERA, BEING CAUGHT UP IN THE HVAC AND THE RETURN SYSTEM THIS THURSDAY, ROMANIAN, UM, MYSELF, MS. COLORS, UM, AND MR. BERRY'S SHOP ALONG WITH, UH, JEFF HAYES TO DISCUSS, UM, WITH MY STAFF TO DISCUSS, UM, ONE THE NEEDS AND THE SPECIFICATIONS, WHAT, WHERE WE WANNA START AND WHAT WE WANT TO DEAL WITH.
UM, ABSENT THE FLAT ROOF THAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED, THERE ARE OBVIOUSLY SOME NEEDS WE CAN WORK WITH.
AND THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE FOCUS HERE WILL BE THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF THE WELLBEING OF THE FOLKS WHO LIVING THERE.
SO THE LIVING CONDITIONS, UM, HAVE TO LOOK AT A GOOD, UM, WAY TO DIRECT CAPTURE THE DIESEL EXHAUST AND THE BAYS THAT WAS NOT THERE.
SO WHAT THE COST WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT TO RETROFIT THAT, ET CETERA.
SO THOSE, THOSE WILL BE THE BEGINNINGS OF THAT CONVERSATION TO KIND OF SCOPE THAT PROJECT SOME MORE TO COME.
WE JUST BEGUN THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
SO MOVING ON TO APPARATUS REPLACEMENT, UM, AND FY 21 AND 22, WE, UM, WE'RE BLESSED AS YOU GUYS APPROVE THREE AMBULANCE MEDIC UNITS ON ORDER.
UM, WE HAVE A, THIS IS GONNA BE A CONSTANT THEME HERE, PROBABLY YOU HEAR ALL THE TIME, BUT THE SIGNIFICANCE, SUPPLY CHAIN DELAY NOW PROJECTED A RECEIPT DATE OF 18 MONTHS.
SO I SPOKE TO CAPTAIN CERNA FOR, UM, REGARDING BOTH THE AMBULANCES AND THE BUMPER TANKER THAT YOU ALL APPROVED.
UM, BOTH OF THOSE, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, THE THE FIRST MEDIC UNIT WE'RE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO RECEIVE, UM, WILL BE SOMETIME IN THE SUMMER.
BUT AGAIN, THAT'S MOVING THE CHASSIS THEMSELVES.
THE, UM, THE, THE PUSH OUT ON ALL THESE ORDERS ARE JUST SIGNIFICANT AND IT'S NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, FORWARD IF YOU WILL.
IT'S, IT'S ALL ACROSS THE BOARD.
SO, UM, SAME THING WITH THE PROPER TANKER.
WE'RE DEALING WITH THE SAME SUPPLY CHAIN.
IT'S NOT JUST THE LABOR, BUT IT'S THE MATERIALS.
SO JUST MORE TO COME ON THAT AS YOU HEAR THIS THEME THROUGHOUT.
SO WE'RE LOOKING ON THERE, WE'RE LOOKING, THE EARLIEST WE'RE GET HERE IS SPRING 23, JULY 20, AND JULY 20 AND SPRING 20.
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THESE WHAT, APPROXIMATELY A YEAR AGO.AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING.
SO, TO THAT, TO THAT END MS COLOR, TO DR.
DALEY'S POINT, SO THE ORIGINAL CHASSIS THAT WE ORDERED BEFORE WERE 20, 22 MODELS.
THEY'VE NOW PUSHED THAT WITH NO COST IMPLICATION TO 2023 MODELS SIMPLY CUZ THEY CANNOT MEET THE DEMAND.
UM, IT'S NOT ATYPICAL THAT THAT INDUSTRY ACROSS ANY OF THE MATERIALS YOU'RE GONNA HEAR LATER WHEN I SPEAK OF PERSONAL PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT, YOU ALL HEARD IT THE OTHER DAY, IS WE LOOK TO PURCHASING IN THE PERFECT WORLD, THAT'S GREAT.
SO HOW IS THIS, OH, I'M SORRY.
SO HOW DOES THE SUPPLY CHAIN, UM, TIMELINE NOW AFFECTING OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT TIMELINE? I MEAN, BECAUSE, BECAUSE LAST YEAR WE SAID SO MANY UNITS PER YEAR.
NOW IF THE TIME, YOU KNOW, THE SUPPLY CHAIN HAS MOVED THINGS OUT, HOW IS THAT GONNA AFFECT YOUR LONG TERM ASSET PLANNING? IT, IT, CAN YOU SAVE THAT PLEASE? JUST A LITTLE BIT.
RIGHT? I WANT TO STEAL THE CHIEF THUNDER AND WE'VE GOTTA SHOW YOU, OKAY.
LOOK AT THESE AS COMING BETWEEN JULY 23 AND SPRING 24, THAT NINE MONTH WINDOW IN THERE AS TO WHEN ANY OF THESE WILL ARRIVE, WHETHER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MEDIC UNITS OR FIRETRUCK, IT'S THE SAME THING.
AND WE'VE HAD THAT DISCUSSION, THAT'S WHAT DR.
UM, BUT THE ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IS, THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE NEED TO GET, WE, WE'LL BE ORDERING MORE.
AND THE REASON WE NEED TO IS BECAUSE THAT PUSH OUT NOW MOVES US INTO 25.
AND SO YOU'LL BE ABLE NEED TO GO BACK TO YOUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AND ADJUST THE WE WILL, AND, AND TO YOUR POINT EARLY, AND I HEARD YOU EARLIER IN QUESTIONS REGARDING, UM, INDEXING AS IT RELATES TO, UM, NOT ONLY INFLATION, BUT ALL THE OTHER, I DON'T WANNA CALL IT EXTORTION, BUT PRICE, I PRICE IMPACTS, IF YOU WILL.
BUT THE POINT IS, IS WE'VE, WHERE, WHERE WILL BE A DEFICIT, BUT I THINK WE HAVE A PLAN TO TREAT IT.
SO, SO JUST TO CLARIFY HERE ON THE, UM, WHERE YOU'VE GOT THE, THE, UH, NOW PROJECTED RECEIPT DATE OF 18 MONTHS ON BOTH OF THESE, UH, SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT, UM, THAT THIS IS, THAT IT WAS 18 MONTHS AS OF JANUARY OF 22? THIS MONTHS FROM, FROM THIS DATE? CORRECT.
SO THEN, SO THEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UH, WHAT OF, I WAS THINKING OF 23.
AND WHAT YOU'LL, WHAT YOU'LL SEE IN HERE IS, UM, TO MISS COOK'S QUESTION IS WE'RE LOOKING AT TO BUY TWO ADDITIONAL MEDIC UNITS AND AN ADDITIONAL FIRER UNDERSTANDING.
WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA LOOK AT 25, 26 IN RECEIPT OF THOSE.
SO YOU DON'T THINK THAT THE SUPPLY CHAIN WILL EVENTUALLY CAPTURE, I HOPE YOU'RE RIGHT.
I MEAN IT CAN ONLY BEHOOVE US RIGHT.
BUT I, I WANNA BE HONEST IN THE SENSE THAT, SO I TALKED TO CAPTAIN CERNER COMING OVER HERE BECAUSE I WAS LIKE, MICKEY, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT SPECIFICALLY? AND HE SAID, CHIEF, I CAN'T GIVE ANYTHING DEFINITIVE CUZ THEY WON'T EVEN ASSIGN VIN NUMBERS.
THAT'S HOW MUCH THEY'RE NOT TAKING ORDERS ANYMORE.
THEY CAN'T COMPLETE THE ORDERS.
AND WHETHER YOU MOVE TO ANOTHER CHASSIS IS REALLY IRRELEVANT.
IT'S ACROSS THE BOARD OF THE INDUSTRY AND, AND THEREIN LIES THE ISSUE.
SO THE ANSWER MS. COOK'S QUESTION IS, IS WHAT'S THE PLAN? THE PLAN IS TO GET MORE IN THE QUEUE, UNDERSTANDING THAT SUPPLY CHAIN IS PUSHED OUT THAT MUCH LONGER AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR THEM UNTIL DELIVERY.
CORRECT? WELL, THERE IS AN INCENTIVE, AND I'LL SPEAK TO IT IN A MINUTE.
THERE IS AN INCENTIVE THAT THEY WANT.
IT'S, IT'S A GOOD CONVERSATION.
NOW THERE IS AN INCENTIVE THAT I'LL SPEAK TO IN A MINUTE, BUT BOTTOM LINE IS THEY'RE ASKING FOR AN ADDITIONAL AMOUNT OF MONEY UPFRONT.
NOW THEY HAVE, UM, A PRICE INCREASE THAT I'LL SPEAK TO HERE, HENRYS DE MOMENT IN THE PROJECTS AND INITIATIVES MOVING AHEAD.
BUT THE PRICE INCREASE, THEY WERE ABLE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF OUR RELATIONSHIP, IF YOU WILL, TO EXTEND THE GRADS UNTIL THE END OF OCTOBER, UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'RE POTENTIALLY GONNA BUY ANOTHER PIECE OF APPARATUS.
IT'S THE SAME SPECIFICATION ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE BOARD.
UM, SO WHEN WE BRING THESE INTO THE FLEET, WHEN WE FINALLY RECEIVE THEM, THE IDEA IS TO ROTATE THE STOCK.
YOU NOW, WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT CAPA REPLACEMENT, WE HAVE BUSIER UNITS THAN OTHERS.
THE IDEA IS TO ROTATE THE STOCK.
SO THE LONGEVITY OF THE APPARATUS LASTS THAT MUCH LONGER.
HISTORICALLY, HE HAS GONE TO ONE HOUSE AND STAYED AT ONE HOUSE.
WE'RE GONNA MAINTAIN THE HOURS TO CYCLE THE APPARATUS AND THE APPARATUS REPLACEMENT SO WE CAN KEEP THE CAPITAL THAT MUCH LONGER, THE LONGEVITY OF THE CAPITAL.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU? WELL, IT DOES, BUT THEN I, THEN MY MIND GOES TO, BUT ISN'T EACH APPARATUS SPECIFIC TO A PARTICULAR REQUIREMENT? LIKE A CALL? LIKE AREN'T SOME APPARATUS MORE ADVANCED MEDICAL? NO, NO MA'AM.
SO THE WHOLE IDEA, UM, THAT I REALLY TRIED TO PUT AN ORDER HERE IS STANDARDIZATION.
NOW THERE WILL BE SOME SPECIALTY
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SUBSETS THAT WE'LL NEED IN THE FUTURE.LADDER TRUCKS IS AN EXAMPLE, OKAY.
AND MAYBE, UM, SPECIFIC TANKERS.
HOWEVER, AS A RULE, YOU'LL SEE STANDARDIZATION ACROSS THE SYSTEM NOT ONLY IN ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT, BUT ALSO IN SUPPRESSION APPARATUS, MEDIAN FIRE APPARATUS, BECAUSE THAT STANDARDIZATION BRINGS SAFETY AND ALSO BRINGS YOUR PRICE POINT DOWN.
SO THE SAME FIRE TRUCK AT TWO IS GONNA BE WORKING AT FOUR.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU? YEP, SURE DOES.
AND THEN ONCE WE BRING THAT APPARATUS AND THE STANDARDIZATION BRINGS SAFETY IN THE SENSE THAT THE SAME EQUIPMENT, THE SAME APPLIANCES ARE ALL ROTATED AND THAT STOCK IS KNOWN THROUGHOUT THE SYSTEM VERSUS INDIVIDUAL COMPANIES MONOPOLIZING THAT WHERE YOU GET IN, YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHERE ANYTHING IS, EVERYTHING STANDARD.
I CAN JUMP IN AND NEVER BE IN IT AND IT'S YOUR UNIT, BUT I'LL KNOW WHERE EVERYTHING IS.
AND THEN SO YOU'RE GONNA ROTATE THOSE INTO LESS, UM, LESSER ACTIVE STATIONS SO THAT IT, THE STRESS OF THE CONSTANT CALLS ARE NOT ON EACH VEHICLE, BUT THE VEHICLES WILL ROTATE IN AND OUT.
SO THE WHOLE IDEA IS TO RESOURCE THE WARREN COUNTY FIRE AND RESCUE SYSTEM, NOT A SPECIFIC HOUSE, BUT THE FUNCTION OF THE SYSTEM TO BRING STANDARDIZATION AND SAFETY AND ACCOUNTABILITY TO THAT END, WE'RE NOT EVEN GONNA PUT STATION ONE OR STATION TWO ON THE STUFF THAT WE OWN.
WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS ACTUALLY HAVE SLIDING, UM, NUMBERS THAT WE CAN PUT ON BASED ON THE DEFINITIVE KNEE WORK, WHEREVER IT'S GONNA BE ASSIGNED.
SO IF IT WAS ASSIGNED AT SIX FOR THREE YEARS AND IT WILL ROTATE TO FOUR, YOU COULD THEN SLIDE IN THAT COMPANY NAME AND WE WOULD DO THAT BASED ON HOURS.
THE LIMITATIONS OF THE SYSTEM DICTATE THAT BECAUSE WE SIMPLY DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH APPARATUS, WE HAVE TO MONOPOLI OR TAKE ADVANTAGE OF WHAT WE HAVE.
THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH, IT DOES.
AND THEN YOUR DATA WILL SHOW YOU WHERE YOU NEED, YOU HAVE THE MOST ACTIVE AND, AND, AND I GOT PEOPLE A LOT SMARTER THAN ME THAT ARE ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, CAPTAIN CER IS AN EXAMPLE, HAS BEEN DONE, THE LION SHARE OF ALL OF THIS.
UM, BUT AS AN EXAMPLE, ACROSS THE STREET, I WAS TALKING TO CAPTAIN CROSS, HE'S GOT A, A MEDIC UNIT RIGHT NOW.
IT'S THE BUSIEST HOUSE WE HAVE.
HE'S GOT A MEDIC UNIT WITH 109,000 MILES ON IT.
THAT, THAT IS OUTSIDE THE SAFETY STANDARDS OF THE INDUSTRY, WAY OUTSIDE OF IT.
I THINK THIS IS A GOOD PLAN TO GET A SWERVE.
SO MOVING ON TO THE PUMPER TANKER REPLACEMENT.
UM, Y'ALL HAVE APPROVED A 2023 PIERCE ENFORCER.
ON ONE CLICK AWAY, I'M AT THE PUMPER TANKER REPLACEMENT.
I KNOW I DID A LOT OF TALK AND I APOLOGIZE.
DID I MISS IT? IT WAS ON THE SAME APPARATUS.
ON THE SAME PAGE AS THE, I APOLOGIZE.
UM, IN FRONT OF YOU, YOU ALSO HAVE AN EXCEL DOCUMENT LAYING OUT THE GRANTS PROGRAM REVIEW FOR THE DEPARTMENT.
UM, AND THEN THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE ASSIGNED RESPONSIBILITIES AS WE LOOK.
SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO FORECAST HERE IS NOT JUST WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY BUDGET.
UM, OBVIOUSLY IT COSTS A LOT OF MONEY.
IT'S, IT'S OBVIOUS, BUT WE'RE ALSO CONCURRENTLY LOOKING AT BUDGET AND GRANTS, ET CETERA, ON THE FEDERAL SIDE AS WELL AS THE COMMONWEALTH SIDE, LOCAL AS WELL AS STATE AND ALSO FEDERAL ASSETS.
SO JUST KNOW THAT, UM, AND WE, AND THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU RIGHT THERE.
SO MOVING TO THE PUMPER TANKER REPLACEMENT, UM, THE CURRENT UNIT WAITING, THE BILL, THE ONE THAT YOU ALL HAVE APPROVED, THE 2023 PEARSON ENFORCER, THE PRICE POINT OF THAT WAS SEVEN 40 AND SOME CHANGE.
AND WE WERE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF A 13,000 PREPAID DISCOUNT, MEANING THEY ACCEPTED $500,000 UP FRONT.
UM, UNDERSTANDING THAT BOUGHT THE PRICE POINT DOWN TO, TO THE, THE POINT OF 7 2 7 3 2 8 IS A FINAL NUMBER.
UM, THE SAME PIECE OF APPARATUS.
AND THE 20 20, 22 23 BUDGET IS UP JUST HIGH OF 23.57%.
UM, NO CHANGES IN THE SPECIFICATIONS OF THAT PIECE OF APPARATUS.
UM, THAT CURRENT PRICING IS NINE 14 AND SOME CHANGE.
I KNOW THESE ARE ASTRONOMICAL NUMBERS AND IT SAYS MY FATHER'S FIRE DEPARTMENT, BUT I'M BEING HONEST WITH YOU, WE'RE TRYING TO BE MEETING WITH ALYSSA AND MATT AND DR.
D TRYING TO PUT HER HEADS TOGETHER AS THE BEST WAY TO, TO UNDERWRITE THE COST OF THIS.
SO NOW THAT FIRST GO BACK TO TRUCK.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M READING THIS CORRECTLY.
SO FOR THE UH, 2023 ENFORCER, THE TOTAL PRICE WAS 740 K MM-HMM.
UM, SO LET ME JUST SLOW DOWN THEN.
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IN THIS SHEET OF WHAT, UM, MR. ROBERTSON HAS AS TO WHAT YOU'RE ENCUMBERING AND YOU'VE GOT THE INCOMPLETE REPLACEMENTS FIRE TRUCK 7 2 7 3 28 AND WE'VE PUT 500,000 DOWN.SO WE'RE RESERVING ENCUMBERING THE 2 2 7 3 28.
SO, SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING HERE IS IT'S THE 740 K WAS THE PRICE, BUT WE, BECAUSE WE ORDERED IT EARLY OR WE GOT THE DISCOUNT, RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT, YES MA'AM.
WE GAVE THEM $500,000 OF OUR MONEY TO USE FOR 18 MONTHS.
SO THEY GET TO INVEST THAT MONEY INTO HOWEVER THEY CHOOSE.
SO IT'S, IT'S SIX OF ONE AND HALF OF THE OTHER.
AND WHETHER IT'S ACTUALLY BENEFICIAL TO DO THAT, DON'T YOU THINK? SO? I, I ASKED PEOPLE AGAIN, LOT SMARTER THAN ME, UM, AND MATT AND ALYSSA AND YOU'RE IN ABOUT 1% MONEY.
SO TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, IF YOU LOOKED AT DESCENDING VALUE, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THIS IS PROBABLY THE SMARTER WAY.
SO IT'S, WE REALLY DID LOOK AT IT EMPIRICALLY.
THE POINT WE TAKEN, WE ASKED THE QUESTION.
SO I JUST, I MEAN, CUZ YOU'RE GIVING THEM $500,000 AND YOU DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA OF DELIVERY, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S KIND OF THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE TAKING THAT RISK, RIGHT.
AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, IN THE TIME THAT WE DID THAT ORDER TO LOOKING AT OUR NEXT ORDER, IT'S GONE UP THAT MUCH.
SO IF YOU TAKE THAT SAME ID THAT SAME WAY WE DID BUSINESS LAST TIME, 500 K UP FRONT, WE'LL AGAIN, BRING US A DISCOUNT, IF YOU WILL, OF $23,000 IF WE WERE ABLE TO DO THIS BY THE 31ST OF THIS MONTH.
UM, ADDITIONAL INCREASE, OBVIOUSLY IT'S SELF EXPLANATORY, BUT BASICALLY THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL INCREASE, UM, IF WE WERE TO WAIT.
UM, AND AGAIN, FISCALLY IT MAKES SENSE THAT WE DO SO NOW.
SO, SO IF, UM, TO JUST NOTE THAT IF WE ORDER BE THIS MONTH, THEY WILL GIVE US THE 60,000 59 467 ALSO OFF.
IF WE WAIT TILL NOVEMBER AND THINK ABOUT THIS A WHILE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ADD THAT 60,000.
SO THAT BECOMES 974 RATHER THAN NINE 14.
SO YOU ARE TELLING ME THAT IT IS NINE 14 RIGHT NOW? YES.
BUT THEY HAD A PRICE INCREASE ON OCTOBER 1ST.
AND THAT ACTUALLY INCREASED IT TO NINE.
I'M JUST GONNA USE ROUND NUMBER 60.
BUT IF WE ORDER IT NOW, THEY'LL HONOR THE NINE 14.
WE CAN STILL PAY THE HALF A MILLION DOWN.
WELL, TECHNICALLY IT'S A BIG CAR.
THAT YEAH, THAT'S AND IS A CAR WE HAVE TO HAVE AND WE NEED IT.
AND MR. MAVE TO, TO THAT END, IT'S NOT A AN ELABORATE CAR.
I MEAN, YOU'RE LOOKING AT IN THE, IN THE, YEAH, NO, IT'S NOT A ELABORATE CAR.
I MEAN IT'S A BASIC SPECIFICATION, BASIC THING THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET.
BUT IS THERE NOBODY ELSE THAT WE CAN GO TO THE INDUSTRY AND BELIEVE ME, WE'VE RESEARCHED THIS.
SO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS TO SPECIFY, WE LOOKED AT SEVERAL VENDORS AND YOU KNOW, I CAN NAME A TON OF THEM.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS, IF YOU LOOKED AT THIS SPECIFICATION, THIS IS YOUR BEST BANG FOR YOUR BUCK.
I'M NOT DOUBTING THAT Y'ALL HAVEN'T DONE YOUR HOMEWORK, BUT I, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE TO ME THAT THE INDUSTRY SEES THAT WE'RE BEHIND AN BALL AND THEY'RE GONNA TAKE ADVANTAGE.
AND THAT'S WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME.
THEY'RE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE THING IS THAT WE'RE NOT THE ONLY ONE.
I MEAN IT'S, EVERYBODY NEEDS THEM COME TO GRIPS WITH YOU.
NO, AND THERE'S A BUNCH OF SUBS INVOLVED.
AND ALL THE SUBS CAN BUILD, CAN PARTS FOR FIRE TRUCKS OR FOR POLICE CRUISERS OR FOR UH, GRADERS, ET CETERA.
AND THEY HAVE PUT THIS SIX AND A HALF PERCENT IN THERE.
SO THE PRICE GOES UP, UH, SIX AND A HALF PERCENT FOR EVERYBODY.
THE SAME AS THE, WHAT YOU LOOKED AT FOR THE, UH, POLICE CARS THIS LAST MONTH, THAT WAS UP SUBSTANTIALLY FROM A YEAR AGO.
AND I THINK WHEN WE GET TO TALKING ABOUT OUR LOADER FOR THE LANDFILL, IT'S GONNA BE THE SAME THING.
ANY, ANY PIECE OF EQUIPMENT ANYMORE IS JUST
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RIDICULOUS.DELEY WAS KIND ENOUGH AND YOU ARE ENOUGH TO PROVE WE, WE BOUGHT A PIECE OF USE FIRE APPARATUS.
AND I'M TELLING YOU, WE'RE CHASING THE IMPLICATIONS OF USED FIRE APPARATUS RIGHT NOW.
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU BUY AN OLD FIRE TRUCK, AT THE END OF THE DAY YOU GOT AN OLD FIRE TRUCK.
AND THE POINT IS YOU GOT A WHOLE LOT 'EM IN THIS SYSTEM, YOUR POINTS WILL TAKE.
AND IT IS AN EXPENSIVE PRICE POINT.
THE SAME FIRE TRUCK I IN THAT IN THE 1980S THAT I WAS INVOLVED IN WAS, YOU KNOW, 200, $300,000.
BUT THE POINT IS, IS THIS IS THE REALITY OF THE MARKET RIGHT NOW.
SO, SO BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU'RE GONNA PAY FOR IT UP FRONT OR YOU'RE GONNA PAY FOR IT ON THE, ON THE BACK END.
AND, AND THE OTHER THING WE'RE DOING IS STANDARDIZING AND WE'RE BUILDING IN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PRICE POINT TO INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, WARRANTIES, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, IF WE TAKE CARE OF OUR APP ARRESTS AND ROTATE OUR APPARATUS, IT'S GONNA LAST US THAT MUCH LONGER.
IT'S JUST THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS UNFORTUNATELY RIGHT NOW.
AND I'M HOPING, I THINK, UM, I'M NOT SURE WHO ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT THE SUPPLY CHAIN.
I'M HOPING THE SUPPLY CHAIN DOES COME BACK WHERE WE CAN, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL START SEEING INVENTORY COME BACK ON THE MARKET AND HENCE THE PRICE POINT COMING DOWN.
HOWEVER, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DEALT WITH TODAY.
AND EVEN WE PRE SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES.
IT WAS A YEAR FROM WHEN YOU ORDERED THE TRUCK BEFORE THE TRUCK WAS READY TO GO UP TO WISCONSIN AND PICK IT UP.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE? SO THE CYCLE HAS BEEN A YEAR REGARDLESS.
PRIOR TO NOW IT'S JUST, IT'S ALMOST TWO YEARS BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES AND THE PRE, IT'S INTERESTING, I SAW ONE OF THE SURROUNDING MUNICIPALITIES, SO THEY ORDER, AND ADMITTEDLY IT'S EXPENSIVE FOR FIRE TRUCKS AND HAVE FOUR FIRE TRUCKS DELIVERED TO THEIR DEPARTMENT.
SO THEY CAN ROTATE THAT STOCK.
UNDERSTANDING THE CONCERNS AND THE IMPLICATIONS OF NOT HAVING QUALITY APPARATUS, QUALITY EMERGENCY RESPONSE APPARATUS.
IT'S SLOW AND METHODICAL AND I LIKE THE IDEA THAT WE'RE ROTATING OUR STOCK AND WE'RE RESOURCING IT CORRECTLY.
HOWEVER, IT'S JUST GONNA TAKE TIME TO GET THERE.
THOSE ARE NOT, SO I HAVE A CRAZY QUESTION, BUT IT, THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO BE ELECTRIC BY 2035.
ARE THEY
BECAUSE I'M GONNA TELL YOU, I'M THINKING YEAH, WE'RE NOT TAKING ELECTRIC FIRE TRUCK UP THE HILL.
BUT THEY MAKE 'EM FOR, FOR URBAN AREAS WHERE THERE'S NO, SO ELECTRIC VEHICLE CARRY 750 GALLONS OF WATER AND JUST, YOU WON'T MIX NO
I MEAN AT THIS POINT, IF THEY'RE GOING DEMAND NO FOSSIL FUEL EMISSIONS, WE MIGHT AS WELL START BREEDING HORSES A LOT MORE AND GO BACK TO PULLING 'EM BY HORSE.
WELL, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU CAN'T, THERE'S JUST EQUIPMENT THAT IS NOT FEASIBLE TO GO ELECTRIC.
I DON'T KNOW WHOSE BRAIN I'M, ANYWAY, JOY RIDING HAS NOW BEEN EXTINCT.
WELL, I WENT TO THE STORE TODAY.
NO, I'M TELLING YOU, JOY RIDING IS NOW OVER.
MOVING FORWARD IS THE PIECE OF PAPER.
UM, SO ANYWAY, THE CURRENT AMOUNT, IT'S, IT'S SELF EXPLANATORY.
THE, THE COST WITH THE PREPAID DISCOUNT IS 8 91.
UM, WE HAVE BUDGETED $800,000 IN ASSET REPLACEMENT.
UM, WE'RE LOOKING TO MAKE THAT HOLE ALONG WITH THE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT NEEDS.
THE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT IS AN EXAMPLE.
AND, AND IN CONVERSATIONS WITH ALYSSA SCOTT AND I THINK MAKES A LOT OF SENSE, WE'RE GONNA START SPECKING THIS APPARATUS WITH APPLIANCES, HOSES, HARD SLEEVES AND LADDERS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES TO GO TO BUSINESS, RIGHT? SO THAT'S THE COST.
WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT THE SHORT COME OF REPLACEMENT AND THE, AND THE ACTUAL WHAT, WHAT IT TAKES FOR THIS FIRE DRUG TO GO TO WORK ON THE TOTAL NUMBER BEING 1, 6, 6, 8, 9, 1.
AND WE'RE LOOKING TO, UM, BUILD THIS FUTURE CAPITAL FUNDING REQUEST INTO THE NEXT C I P FISCAL CYCLE, THE SHORTFALL.
SO THE POINT IS, IS WE WON'T NEED THAT MONEY UNTIL THEN.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT EVEN GETTING, UM, HOSE HAS BEEN A BIG PROBLEM.
IS THAT GONNA HOLD UP BY SPECING THAT IN THE EXTENDING OUT THE TIME THE IDEA, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO INEVITABLY IS GET IN FRONT OF YOU AND SPEAK ABOUT THE PURCHASE POINT OF A FIRE APPARATUS OR A MEDIC UNIT TO
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INCOMPLETE AS A MEDIC UNIT WOULD BE WITH A POWER LOAD COT AND A POWER LOAD SYSTEM BECAUSE THAT IS THE INDUSTRY STANDARD.SO THAT NUMBER THEN IS THE SOFT COST THAT'S BUILT INTO THAT.
I WANT TO DO THE SAME THING WITH HOSES, APPLIANCES, LADDERS, HARD SLEEVES, ALL THE STUFF IT TAKES TO GO TO WORK ON THAT FIRE APPARATUS AS WELL.
THAT WAY YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT ALL THE COST IS, JUST LIKE I DO WITH PERSONNEL TO BUILD IN PERSONAL PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT.
SO THAT, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I WOULD IMAGINE YES MA'AM.
I THINK ANYTIME YOU'RE PURCHASING HOSES AND FIRE EQUIPMENT IN ITS ENTIRETY RIGHT NOW, THERE'S A PUSH OUT ON ALL THE INVENTORY.
SO I IMAGINE THAT'S STILL THE SAME.
AND I THINK IF CAPTAIN CERNA WAS HERE, HE WOULD AGREE WITH ME.
I CAN'T GIVE YOU ANYTHING DEFINITIVELY.
I DON'T THINK IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE 30 MONTHS.
HOWEVER, I DO KNOW MOST RECENTLY WE REPLACED SOME HOSE AND IT TOOK US FOREVER TO GET IT HERE.
YEAH, THAT'S CLOSE TO SIX MONTHS.
I WAS QUESTIONING, YOU KNOW, DO YOU THINK IT WOULD SPEED THAT PROCESS UP TO MAKE IT A PACKAGE DEAL? MM-HMM
DO YOU THINK IT WOULD SPEED IT UP TO DO IT ALL AT ONE TIME? EXACTLY.
AND THAT'S THE WHOLE IDEA IS TO PACKAGE IT ACCORDINGLY.
KEEP IN MIND THEY COME FROM DIFFERENT VENDORS, IT DOESN'T COME SO IT'S A DIFFERENT RETAIL.
BUT SO, BUT THE POINT IS, IS TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE THE PACKAGE AND WE CAN PLAN ACCORDINGLY.
CUZ WHATEVER WE, IF I'M, IF I'M, UH, FLYING APPARATUS TO ENGINE TWO, IT'S GONNA BE THE SAME HOSE LAYOUT I GOT AT ENGINE THREE.
THAT'S WHERE I WANT TO BE AS AN INSTITUTION AND THAT INTRO TO STANDARDIZATION SO THAT THAT WAY WE CAN INTERCHANGE THAT STUFF.
IF I LOSE THE SECTION OF HOSE ON A FIRE GROUND, I CAN REPLACE IT BECAUSE I HAVE THAT COMMODITY IN STOCK.
WELL AND I LIKE THE IDEA OF KNOWING WHAT THE COMPLETE PACKAGE, CUZ IT, IT IS, IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY UNDERSTANDING, YOU THINK THE FIRE TRUCK COMES WITH EVERYTHING YOU NEED ON IT AND IT DOESN'T JUST LIKE A POLICE CRUISER DOESN'T COME WITH THE RADIOS AND THE LIGHTS AND ALL THAT, RIGHT? IT'S JUST THE STANDARD PACKAGE.
I WOULD RATHER HAVE EVERYTHING OUT IN FRONT OF YOU THAT WAY YOU OUT AS AN INFORMED BOARD.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT, WHAT THE PRICE POINT IS OKAY.
UH, SO MOVING, I, I THINK I'M RIGHT.
YEAH, I'M AT THE AMBULANCE MEDIC UNIT REPLACEMENT.
SO KIND OF THE SAME AGAIN, THE SAME THEME WITH THE FIRE TRUCK.
UM, THE SAME PIECE OF APPARATUS IN 2023, WE ORDERED THREE.
ELLIE'S POINT, THAT PUSH OUT IS, IS STILL LONG WAY AWAY.
UM, IN CONVERSATIONS WITH, UM, DR.
DAILEY AND STAFF, UM, WE'RE ADVOCATING WE GO AHEAD AND ORDER TWO ADDITIONAL MEDIC UNITS.
AGAIN, NO CHANGES, SAME SPECIFICATIONS, SAME EVERYTHING.
UM, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT, WITH THE INVENTORY BEING PUSHED OUT SO FAR, UM, THE ADVOCATION AS WE DO JUST THAT INTO MR. MA'S POINT, UM, YOU'RE LOOKING IN 31.67 CENT, 7% INCREASE IN THAT SAME PIECE OF APPARATUS AS OF TODAY.
SO, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, WHICH ARE GOOD THROUGH NOVEMBER 31, YOU'LL HAVE 3000, OH, EXCUSE ME, 300,000, 20 26, 800 $17 PER UNIT.
UM, AGAIN, MS COLORS A POWER LOAD COTTON, A POWER LOAD SYSTEM 17 7 80.
EQUATE THAT TO THE, LIKE I WOULD THE FIRE HOSE.
UM, WE WOULD USE COST RECOVERY MONEY, UM, AND THE COST RECOVERY BUDGET AND WE'D ALSO USE THE BALANCES IN THERE TO UNDERWRITE THE COST OF THAT.
IT MEETS THAT, UM, CRITERIA PERFECTLY.
HOPE I DIDN'T SHELLSHOCK EVERYBODY.
ALL RIGHT, THEN I'LL MOVE ON TO THE LIFE PACK 15 IN LUCAS SERVICE AGREEMENTS.
DOES EVERYBODY HA HERE HAVE A, UM, UNDERSTANDING WHAT A LIFE PACK 15 IS AND LUCAS? OKAY, AS LONG AS YOU DO, IT'S FINE.
IT'S JUST, IT BASICALLY, IT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING FOR ECG, CONDUCTION AND CARDIO AS WE DO CARDIOLOGY IN THE FIELD WITH A PRE-HOSPITAL MEDICINE.
UM, SO AS WE SAID HERE, WE HAD A FIVE YEAR AGREEMENT THAT WAS BORN IN 2018 WITH THE EQUIPMENT WITH A BUYBACK OPTION.
UM, WE DID THE SAME THING IN MY PREVIOUS LOCATION.
IT'S GOOD BUSINESS CUZ YOU DON'T WANNA BUY TECHNOLOGY, ESPECIALLY IN THIS INDUSTRY.
BUY BASIC TECHNOLOGY IS EXPENSIVE.
WHEN THESE CIRCUIT BOARDS GO BAD OR THE MODEM GOES BAD, YOU'RE DEALING WITH A LOT OF MONEY.
SO ALONG WITH THAT, WE, WE HAVE, UM, A WARRANTY THAT COMES WITH THE PRODUCT AND IF YOU HAVE TO SHELVE ONE, THEY WILL PROVIDE ONE.
UM, THIS DEPARTMENT DID THE SAME THING IN 2018.
UM, AND NOW THAT SAME, UH, UH, TECHNOLOGY IS UP TO BE REPLACED.
NOW WE'RE NOT, WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT ANOTHER YEAR.
BUT IN THAT PERIOD THEY HAVE WHAT THEY CALL BLACKOUT PERIOD WHERE THEY BASICALLY DON'T HAVE ANY
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NEW TECHNOLOGY, BUT WE DO NOT HAVE THE SERVICE AGREEMENT TO GO ALONG WITH THAT.SO WE'RE LOOKING ABOUT A YEAR WITHOUT THAT AGREEMENT CUZ WE DIDN'T SEE THIS BLACKOUT PERIOD.
SO OUR ADVOCATION IS MOVING IT FORWARD, IS TO PUT TOGETHER AN ANNUAL SERVICE AGREEMENT TO PROTECT THE WHOLE DEPARTMENT.
UM, AND THAT TO THE COST OF $34,000.
UM, WE WOULD USE COST RECOVERY FUNDS FOR THAT.
UM, AND ALONG WITH THAT, THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO NOT ONLY KEEP THE ANNUAL SERVICE AGREEMENT TO PROTECT THE INVESTMENT OF THE COUNTY, BUT ALSO WOULD ALLOW US TO PURCHASE THE LUCAS EQUIPMENT AS WELL.
QUESTIONS, HOW MANY AMBULANCE CURRENTLY HAVE A LUCAS ON? SO ALL OF THEM.
SO TO INCLUDE THE VOLUNTEER COMPANIES, FIVE AND EIGHT.
AND WE ALSO, UM, FRONTED STATION NINE OR CHESTER GAP WITH THEM BRINGING BACK, UM, GIVING US ONE BACK WHEN THERE WAS, THEY HAD TO PUSH OUT ON THE INVENTORY SO THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO DO IT.
IN THE INTEREST OF STANDARDIZATION IN THE COUNTY, WE USE THAT UNIT A LOT.
WE GAVE THEM ONE OF OURS TO USE IN THE INTERIM.
AND WHEN NURSE COMES IN, THEY WOULD MAKE US HOLD.
SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, NINE ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT UNITS OR AMBULANCES TO INCLUDE FIVE AND EIGHT, FOUR SMITH AS WELL AS, UH, SENATOR O SHORES.
ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY, SO THE FINAL, I THINK THIS IS FINAL, IS IT NOW? AM I STILL TALKING? UM, THE BALLISTICS PROTECTION, THE EMERGENCY RESPONDER BALLISTIC PROTECTION.
WE'D ORIGINALLY PUT OUT FOR A GRANT WITH THIS AND WE WERE TURNED DOWN, UM, THE RSF GRANT.
UM, AND AS SUCH, UM, WE STILL DO NOT HAVE BALLISTIC PROTECTION ON OUR MEDIC UNITS.
SO I DON'T WANNA WAIT ANY LONGER ON THIS.
SO MY ADVOCATION IS THAT WE GET THREE SETS OF BALLISTIC PROTECTION FOR OUR AMBULANCE CREWS.
UM, MOST RECENTLY WE HAD A REPORT OF AN NEFARIOUS ACTIVITY IN OUR COUNTY, AND AS SUCH WE WERE PART OF, UH, THE RESPONSE ASSETS THAT WENT TO THAT.
AND RIGHT NOW OUR MEDICS GO WITH THE FORCE PROTECTION OF THE POLICE AGENCIES TO INCLUDE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AS WELL AS DOWN POLICE.
AND AS SUCH, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE THE PROPER PROTECTION.
SO MY APPLICATION IS WE PURCHASE THIS, SO THAT WOULD BE THREE PER STATION AND THEY WOULD SHARE THEM, IT WOULD BE THREE PER EACH UNIT FOR EACH MEDIC UNIT, EACH AMBULANCE TRANSPORT UNIT WITH THREE SETS OF BALLISTIC PROTECTION.
SO THE IDEA IS WE USE AN AR, WHAT THEY REFER TO AS THE RTF CONTINGENT OR RAPID, AND THEY WOULD BE SADDLED WITH TO GO INTO A WARM ATMOSPHERE TO HELP PATIENT CARE.
AND AS SUCH, THAT WOULD BE FOR THEIR PROTECTION? YES, MA'AM.
SO WHAT WOULD BE THE TOTAL QUANTITY FOR THE WHOLE FLEET THEN? WELL, THREE AT SIX AT 18.
QUESTIONS? SO ARE THESE, UH, ARE THESE EXPANDABLE AS FAR AS YOU KNOW? YES, HERE THEY ARE.
AND, AND, AND BE VERY HONEST WITH YOU, IT'S A GOOD POINT BECAUSE WHAT THEY WERE FINDING WITH THE MILITARY GRADE BETTER SHAPE YOUNGER MEN, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, MEN AND WOMEN, IS THE MID AARY OR THE SIDES OF THE INDIVIDUALS WERE EXPOSED MM-HMM.
AND AS SUCH, THE PROTECTION WAS INADEQUATE.
SO THIS A VENDOR WAS WISE AND THAT THEY REALIZED THE MARKET SEGMENT THEY WERE DEALING WITH.
AND THESE DO EXPAND TO COVER NOT ONLY THE THORAX AND THE ABDOMINAL REGION, BUT ALSO MID AARY REGION IN THE POSTERIOR BODY AS WELL.
SO THEN, SO THEN WHAT THESE REALLY ARE DESIGNED FOR IS IF YOU'RE GOING INTO A, UH, UM, A, A SITUATION WHERE YOU MAY HAVE A A, A HOSTAGE OR SOMEBODY LIKE THAT AND OF, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A HOSTILE SITUATION, BUT YOU NEED EMS AND THESE FOLKS ARE PROTECTED AS WELL AS THE POLICE FORCE.
AND WE WOULD BE PARTNERED WITH OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY AS WE CAME INTO WHAT THEY CALL WARM ZONE MEDICINE.
HISTORICALLY, AND WE'VE LEARNED FROM A LOT OF OUR INCIDENTS IN THE MOST RECENT, UM, AND WE WENT A LONG WAY WITH THIS IN THE INDUSTRY.
HISTORICALLY, WHEN I CAME ON THE DEPARTMENT, YOU STAGED INTO THE LAW ENFORCEMENT WORD TO, UM, COOL THE ATMOSPHERE, IF YOU WILL.
NOW WE GO IN SIMPLY BECAUSE WE REALIZE THIS IS TIME IS TISSUE, AND IF YOU'RE GONNA SAVE LIVES, YOU GOTTA GO WITH HIM.
SO YES, SIR, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE FOR.
HOW MUCH DO THESE COST PER SET OF THREE? I DON'T KNOW.
I COULD DO THE MATH, BUT I WOULD PROBABLY EMBARRASS MYSELF.
BUT I COULD FIND OUT FOR YOU, SIR.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, UH, WOULD NOTE IN RESPONSE TO THAT QUESTION THAT IF YOU LOOK AGAIN AT THIS CHART, MR. ROBERTSON DID FOR YOU, YOU'VE GOT THE CARRYOVER MONEY FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT IS FOR THESE PROJECTS.
I DO HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION FOR YOU.
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LONG ARE THESE GOOD FOR? UM, I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER, HOWEVER, I DO KNOW, UM, THAT THE, UM, IT'S, IT'S A LOT BETTER WHEN IT USED TO BE.I THINK THE OLD ONES WITH THE, THE PLATES WERE, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD EXPIRE PRETTY QUICKLY.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT LET ME FIND OUT FOR YOU MR. BUTLER.
AND, AND SO DO THESE ALSO COME WITH WITH THE INSERTS? YES, SIR.
BUT THEY'RE THE, THE OLD KEVLAR INSERTS THAT THEY HAVE BEFORE, UM, THEY'RE THE INDUSTRY STANDARD.
THEY'RE, AND I, AND I, THE COMPOSITE THAT THEY USE NOW IS A LOT BETTER.
UM, THE PLATES THAT THEY USED TO PUT IN, AND OF COURSE WHAT THEY'RE FINDING WITH THE BALLISTICS REPORTS, IT'S CENTER A MASS PRIMARILY AND USUALLY OF ONE SPECIFIC CALIBER, LARGELY, IF YOU WILL.
SO THIS IS MORE THAN SUFFICIENT.
WE'VE ALSO BENCHMARKED NOT LOOKING NOT ONLY AT THE REGION, BUT ALSO THE NATIONAL STANDARDS, SPECIFICALLY, UM, DEPARTMENTS WHO HAVE USED THESE, UM, AND THESE WORK WELL.
AND THERE'S BEEN A LARGE, UM, EVOLUTION, IF YOU WILL.
HISTORICALLY, WHEN I GOT INVOLVED IN THIS, WE WERE OUTFITTING FOLKS IN MY PREVIOUS INSTITUTION.
YOU HAD HELMETS, YOU HAD KEVLAR VESTS, YOU ACTUALLY HAD, UM, GROIN VESTS AS WELL.
AND YOU FOUND THAT BY THE TIME YOU WERE ON, HAD YOUR ENSEMBLE ON THE INCIDENT WAS NOT WHERE IT NEEDED TO BE.
YOU NEED TO GET DOWN THE ROAD.
THIS, THIS IS WHERE THEY, THIS IS WHAT THE INDUSTRY STANDARD IS NOW.
AND WHEN WE PUT THIS PROPOSAL FORWARD, WE'LL CERTAINLY GET A DEMO PIECE TO PHYSICALLY SHOW YOU, AND WE'LL HAVE ALL THE SPECIFICATIONS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ALL OF THOSE.
AND CAPTAIN MYK WILL BE MODELING THAT FOR US.
I JUST ASKED MY, I SENT A TEXT TO MY SON ASKING HIM HOW, AND I WOULD THANK THE DEPUTIES VEST AND THESE WERE PROBABLY CLOSE AND HE SAID THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE GOOD FOR FIVE YEARS, BUT HE DOESN'T KNOW THE COST.
THESE ARE NOT THE SAME CALIBER TO OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT PARTNERS.
UM, AS CHIEF KIND OF ALLUDED TO THE, THE WARM ZONE, THE WARM ZONE MEDICINE, UM, SORRY, EMILY'S HOLLERING AT ME.
THE WARM ZONE MEDICINE, WE EVALUATED THE LAW ENFORCEMENT GRADE.
UH, AND THAT'S JUST NOT WHERE WE WANT TO BE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE POCKETS ASSOCIATED FOR THE RTF CONCEPT AND ONE OF THE DRIVING FORCES IS BEHIND, UH, AS CHIEF ALLUDED TO THE NEFARIOUS SITUATION THAT WE HAD, IF YOU LOOK AT AN ACTIVE SHOOTER IN THE SCHOOL OR A LARGE SCALE SETTING, UH, WHAT WE'VE TRAINED, UM, MR. MABE WAS THERE AT CLAND COLLEGE.
WE DID A DRILL WITH THE CAMPUS.
UM, AND THAT WAS OUR FIRST LARGE TRAINING IN OPERATING AS PART OF THE ENTRY TEAM WITH THE LAW ENFORCEMENT PARTNER.
BECAUSE IF THEY ENCOUNTER A CASUALTY IN THE CORRIDOR PER SE, AND THEY HAVE TO DRAG THEM ALL THE WAY OUT OF THE BUILDING, WHAT HAPPENS IS, IS NOW YOUR ASSAILANT IS CONTINUING OPERATIONS WITHIN THE FACILITY.
SO AN RTF CONCEPT IS YOU'RE ABLE TO SERVE AND PROVIDE THAT IMMEDIATE MEDICAL ATTENTION UNDER THE PROTECTION OF THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AND EVACUATE THAT PERSON AND YOUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS CONTINUE TO OPERATE.
SO THAT'S THE MINIMUM LEVEL OF PROTECTION TO PERFORM THOSE LEVEL SKILLS, LET ALONE YOUR EVERYDAY HOSTILE EVENTS.
I E WE GO TO A FIGHT IN PROGRESS, LAW ENFORCEMENT SECURES THE SCENE, BUT YOU STILL HAVE 20 PEOPLE FLOATING AROUND, ALL AMPED UP BECAUSE IT WAS A PARTY IN THE BACKYARD.
THIS AT LEAST ALLOWS US SOME TYPE OF PROTECTION TO GO INTO THAT ENVIRONMENT AND AND REMOVE THAT PATIENT.
SO, UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.
SO MOVING ON TO THE PARAMEDIC EQUIPMENT ACQUISITION.
UM, SO WE HAVE A CHANGE IN PROTOCOL.
SO FORTUNATE, AS I SAID EARLIER, WE HAVE SEVEN ADDITIONAL MEDICS, SO IT'S PRETTY GOOD TIMING.
BUT IN THE, UM, IN THE NORTHERN SHEO REGION, WE HAVE A CHANGE IN PROTOCOL ALLOWING FOR A HIGHER LEVEL OF SKILLS TO BE PERFORMED.
SO OUR WHOLE DEPARTMENT, INCLUDING MYSELF, WILL GO THROUGH BOTH BASIC LIFE SUPPORT AND ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT.
IT REQUIRES SOME ACQUISITION OF ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT, UM, CURRENTLY IN USE, WHICH IS A GOOD THING.
UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, PURCHASING, MULTI THERAPY, IV MEDICATION ADMINISTRATORS, ADMINISTRATIVE PUMPS, UM, OR THE SIMILAR TO THE EYE OF ACTUAL C IN AN ICU SETTING, BUT PRIMARILY FOR PRE-HOSPITAL MEDICINE.
UM, AND THEN PORTABLE ULTRASOUND IMAGING DEVICES.
SO WE CAN LOOK AT, UM, THE POTENTIAL FOR A THORACIC OR ABDOMINAL BLEED AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY HAVE EQUIPMENT WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE IMAGERY, UM, TO GO TO WORK OR WHAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH OR THE FIDELITY OF WHAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH.
UM, SO YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD THING.
UH, ALONG WITH IT, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT, I'M SORRY.
OH, I'M SORRY IF I HAD A QUESTION.
THE PERSONAL PROTECT AND EQUIPMENT, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT THE OTHER
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DAY, UM, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FUNDS INCLUDED IN THE 2122 CARRYOVER PACKAGE EARMARKED TO ORDER ADDITIONAL 15 SETS OF PPE, UM, CONTINUING TO WORK ON THE SECONDARY SETS FOR ACTIVE RESPONDING MEMBERS.UM, WE SAT AT STATION 60 THE OTHER DAY.
MS. COOK HAD QUESTIONS, MS COLORS HAD QUESTIONS, UM, IN REGARDS TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT DO WE GOTTA DO? SO THE, THE THE SHELL ITEMS WE HAD IS, IS WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF LIMITED, WE HAVE LIMITED QUANTITIES, AND THEN THE SIZING IS SPECIFIC TO THE INDIVIDUAL NEEDS.
IT'S NOT LIKE THE OLD DAYS WHERE YOU SHELL BUNKER PANTS AND, AND COOKED HOODS AND COOKS.
THE THE, THE REALITY IS, IS YOU GET FITTED FOR YOUR MATERIAL NOW AND SUCH.
UM, AND AS SUCH, IT TAKES A LITTLE TIME IN THE PERFECT WORLD, ABSENT THE INVENTORY ISSUES AND THE PUSH OUT ON SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT AND MATERIAL THAT UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF A, THE SAME THEME IF YOU WILL.
IT'S TAKEN A LONG TIME TO GET THERE.
SO RIGHT NOW, I AND I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH CAPTAIN CERNA.
EVERYBODY HAS ONE SET OF PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT THAT'S IN GOOD ORDER, UH, IN WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE.
UM, NOW WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE RED HATS, THE RECRUITS, UM, GETTING THEM WHERE THEY NEED TO BE AND FINALLY A SECONDARY SET OF ENSEMBLE.
IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE'RE SMART AND HOW WE BRING THIS ABOARD.
NOT ONLY IS IT AN EXPENSIVE, BUT HOW WE ROTATE THE STOCK CUZ WE DON'T WANT IT ALL COME AND DO AT THE SAME TIME.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO ROTATE THE STOCK AND BRING IT INTO THE SYSTEM AS OTHER STUFF GOES, IF YOU WILL EXPIRED SO THEY CAN HAVE, UM, IN 10 YEARS FROM NOW, YOU DON'T NEED TO BE BUYING X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS FOR A HUNDRED.
THIS WAY WE CAN DO IT 1 35 C SEVEN, 10 YEARS.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS? SO THE 15 SETS THAT YOU ORDERED THIS I HAVE ORDER 'EM YET, WERE SOON TO ORDER.
IT'S CARRYOVER THAT IS YES MA'AM.
SO, UM, DOES THAT SATISFY THE NEED? NO, NO.
WE'LL STILL WE'LL STILL HAVE TO GET, YOU ASKED THAT QUESTION THE OTHER DAY AND IT'S A GOOD ONE.
WE'RE, WE'LL STILL HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SECONDARY SETS MM-HMM.
UM, AND AGAIN, AS I SAID EARLIER, WE'LL WE'LL LOOK AT REGIONAL GRANTS AND STUFF TO GO TO WORK, BUT THE REALITY IS, IS WE HAVE NOT BEEN SUCCESSFUL THUS FAR.
SO WHEN YOU SAID THAT EVERYONE HAS ONE SET OF, UM, OF EQUIPMENT, IS THAT EXPIRED VERSUS NON-FIRE? NO, MA'AM.
EVERYBODY HAS ONE SET OF WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF WHAT WE CALL RED HATS.
AND THAT'S, AND I WAS JUST TALKING TO CAPTAIN C ABOUT GETTING THEM WHERE NEEDED TO BE.
ONE OF THE DILEMMAS WE'RE HAVING WITH THE SYSTEM IS WHEN YOU'RE BRINGING PEOPLE IN THE SYSTEM, THE LONGEVITY OF THAT EMPLOYEE STAYING WITH THE SYSTEM IS NOT LONG THESE DAYS.
AND SO AS SUCH, WHEN YOU FIT SOMEBODY WITH THAT ENSEMBLE, AND DON'T GET ME WRONG, IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
THE POINT IS, IS THERE HAS TO BE AN UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE IS A TERM ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
AND AS SUCH, YOU'RE NOT SEEING THAT, YOU'RE SEEING A LOT OF PEOPLE, UH, ATTRITION OUT FROM THE VOLUNTEER SIDE SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE OF THE NEEDS WE'VE ALREADY IDENTIFIED.
SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE IF I HAVE A RIGHT ANSWER FOR THAT, BUT I'M ON IT.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE HAVING, I TALKED TO CAPTAIN CERNER TODAY ABOUT IT AND I WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS HERE? AND HE SAID, I DON'T REALLY HAVE A GOOD ANSWER FOR IT.
WHAT I AM THINKING ABOUT IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE WE ALL, ALBEIT IMPERFECT, CAN WE SHELVE SOME NON FITTED ITEMS TO ENSURE THAT ONE, THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE AND WE'RE GIVEN GOOD STUFF TO PEOPLE, ALBEIT INFEC IN THE SENSE THEY'RE NOT FITTED.
WHEN I CAME ON, THERE WAS NOTHING FITTED.
HOWEVER, IT'S, TODAY'S STANDARDS HAVE CHANGED AND THEY CHANGED SIGNIFICANTLY.
SO I'M NOT SURE I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION.
I'M JUST, WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT.
I, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST THAT THERE'LL BE IN ORDER NEXT YEAR, MA'AM.
THERE'LL BE ANOTHER ORDER NEXT YEAR.
I UNDER, I I JUST, I LOOK AT TODAY THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I, YOU KNOW, KNOWING THAT SOME, SOME OF OUR OR THE RED HATS SINCE YOU CALLED THEM, YOU KNOW, MAY NOT HAVE, YOU KNOW, AS MUCH PROTECTION THEN ANOTHER, AND, AND IT'S A, IT'S A GOOD POINT.
AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT JUST, YOU KNOW, I GUESS I'M JUST, UM, WORRIED ABOUT EVERYBODY.
WELL, TO ME WHAT I, WHAT I WOULD SAY, AND I AGREE WITH THAT.
AND SO FIRST OF ALL, KEEP IN MIND IF THEY DON'T HAVE THE CERTIFICATION, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE GOING IN AN IDEAL ENVIRONMENT.
REDHEADS ARE NOT TOTALLY, SO THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT IN THAT ENVIRONMENT.
HOWEVER, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK FROM A CULTURAL STANDPOINT, IT SENDS A POOR MESSAGE.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE DON'T NEED TO BE.
SO, UM, WE HAVE TO FIGURE IT OUT AND WE WILL, UM, TO DR.
DAILEY'S POINT, I'LL BE BACK IN FRONT OF YOU NEXT YEAR ASKING FOR MORE MONEY FOR THIS.
BUT THAT BEING SAID, WE'RE ON IT.
AND, UH, AND I HAD THE CONVERSATION TODAY BECAUSE I THINK FROM A POLICY STANDPOINT, UM, AND IT'S SOMETHING I REALLY NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT, IS WHEN YOU'RE NOT CERTIFIED TO THE LEVEL, I BELIEVE YOU NEED TO BE CERTIFIED, THEN YOU PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE ON THAT FIRE APP AS REGARDLESS.
TO ME, IT'S NOT A SUBSET OF THE RESPONSIBILITY,
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IT'S A RESPONSIBILITY IN ITS WHOLE AND IN THE HEAT OF BATTLE.AND AS SHORT STAFFED AS WE ARE, IT'S DIFFICULT WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO PUT PEOPLE TO WORK AND YOU HAVE COMMODITIES, YOU HAVE BASICALLY YOU'RE SHORT STAFFED MM-HMM.
UM, SO PEOPLE GO TO WORK REGARDLESS.
ANYBODY WOULD, BUT, BUT IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE FITTED AND SAY LIKE, YOU, YOU LEAVE THAT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT, THAT PIECE OF PPE IS, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S STILL GOOD'S.
JUST THAT IT'S NOT FITTED TO SOMEBODY ELSE.
NOW CAN IT BE REFITTED? I DON'T KNOW IF IT CAN BE REFITTED.
I MEAN, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT YOU DO LIKE, UH, YOU CUT THE SEAMS OUT AND REZO IT BACK? I DON'T THINK SO.
I THINK ONCE THE ENSEMBLE IS MADE AND IT'S FITTED FOR THE INDIVIDUAL, IT'S FITTED FOR THE INDIVIDUAL AND THAT'S WHERE IT'S CHANGED.
CUZ THE INDUSTRY USED TO BE, AS I SAID EARLIER, IS LIKE IF YOU'RE AN EXTRA LARGE AND AN EXTRA LARGE WITH SHELVED, UM, THAT'S NOT OPTIMAL BY TODAY'S STANDARDS.
HOWEVER, IT WAS SUFFICIENT IN THE EIGHTIES, NINETIES, TWO THOUSANDS, ET CETERA.
BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S MOVED A LITTLE BIT.
SO, UM, LET ME LOOK INTO IT AND SEE WHAT THE BEST WAY TO GO ABOUT IT.
SUFFICE TO SAY WE'RE NOT WHERE WE NEED TO BE.
UM, HOWEVER, I WILL TELL YOU, AND UH, WITH, WITH HERO'S BLESSING AND US PURCHASING THINGS THE LAST 22 MONTHS, WE'VE GOT A LOT MORE STUFF ABOARD THAN WE EVER DID BEFORE.
AND THE OTHER THING IS, IS WE HAVE A CENTRAL, ALBEIT IMPERFECT, A CENTRAL REPOSITORY WHERE MAINTAIN EVERYTHING AND WHERE PEOPLE HAVE TO COME IN AND BE FITTED AND WEAR THEIR, WEAR THEIR STUFF AND BE READY TO GO AS OPPOSED TO JUST HANDING SOMETHING OUT SAYING, I THINK THIS WILL FIT YOU.
SO, SO THEN IT'S BETTER TO HAVE IT FITTED SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE, THE, THE PROTECTION THAT YOU'RE GETTING FROM.
IT WAS NOT UNCOMMON, UM, WITH AN UNFITTED PIECE OF, UH, EQUIPMENT, PERSONAL PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT TO HAVE STEAM BURNS AS THE WRIST OR THE COLLAR BECAUSE THE PERSON THAT WAS FITTING YOU WAS GIVEN.
YEAH, I THINK THAT LOOKS THE ONE I CAME, I'LL NEVER FORGET WHEN I CAME ABOARD, THEY GAVE ME THREE QUARTER BOOTS AND A COAT AND I HAD ALL HAND ME DOWNS AND HE SAID, I IT LOOKS LIKE IT FIT YOU.
I FELT LIKE JOHN BOY, CUZ MY, MY PANTS WERE UP TO MY KNEES.
BUT THE, BUT THE POINT IS, IS THAT'S JUST THE WAY THE INDUSTRY WAS.
WE'VE COME A LONG WAY AND, AND, AND I THINK THE WHOLE IDEA BEHIND CENTRALIZATION AND BEING VERY SPECIFIC AND DELIBERATE, WHAT WE'RE PUTTING ON OUR PEOPLE, IT'S GONNA TAKE A LITTLE WHILE.
THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO BE AS AN INDUSTRY.
BUT CAN, CAN YOU RE CAN YOU REUSE, SAY LIKE IF, AND I'M JUST GONNA THROW A A SIZE OUT THERE.
I HAVE NO CLUE WHAT THE SIZES ARE.
SAY LIKE, UH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE A THREE E IN PANTS SIZE, WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY, JERRY? AND YOU LEAVE, I KNOW HE STANDS FOR YOU AND YOU SHOW YOU SHOW UP.
IS IT EXTRA
YOU'RE A THREE E ALSO, I MEAN, YOU COULD, YOU COULD CONCEIVABLY YOU REUSE THAT.
I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T GET INTO THE IDEA THAT, OH, WELL SOMEBODY'S ALREADY TRIED THESE ON, SO WE'RE JUST GONNA THROW, YOU KNOW, TOSS 'EM OUT FROM NOW ON.
WE'RE NOT THROWING ANYTHING AWAY.
I CAN ASSURE YOU, MAN, BELIEVE ME, THE GUY THAT RUNS THE SHOP, YOU KNOW, I, I JERRY JUST SAID, HEY MAN, YOUR SWEATSHIRT IS STARTING TO BELIEVE WE NEED GET YOU NEW SWEATSHIRT.
AND JERRY SENT HIM A TEXT AND HE SAID HE'S GOTTA FILL OUT A REQUISITION IF THAT GIVES YOU ANY IDEA.
WELL LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT.
IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I'LL BE GLAD TO DO MY BEST TO ANSWER TWO OF THEM.
UM, EARLIER IN YOUR PRESENTATION YOU WERE SAYING THAT SHEO OF FARMS ARE LOOKING AT FOR THREE MORE RESOURCES.
IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? SHORES.
SO I, I, AND I'M, AND WE'RE NOT THERE JUST IN CONVERSATION.
DAILEY, MYSELF, AND MS. COLORS, ALONG WITH, I THINK MR. MABE WAS INVITED TO YOU WERE, YOU HAD ENGAGEMENT, THINK YOU WENT WITH THE, THE HOW IDEAS, UM, THEY SIMPLY, IT WOULD REALLY AN ISSUE.
NOW, UM, IT WAS BROUGHT KIND OF WITH THE WHOLE INGRESS AND EGRESS ISSUES.
BUT THE, THE POINT IS, IS, IS COMING DOWN TO THE REALITY IS, AND I ACTUALLY PRO DR.
DALEY IN A PARKING LOT THE NIGHT.
DE IS TOUGH BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT STAFFING, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF MONEY.
BUT THE REALITY IS IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
AND, AND, AND I'M BEING HONEST WITH YOU WHEN I TELL YOU THAT, I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY, YOU KNOW, I WANT BUILD AN EMPIRE HERE.
I JUST WANT IT TO BE SAFE AND ACCOUNTABLE.
SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WAYS THAT WE CAN UNDERWRITE THE COST.
MY ADVOCATION WOULD BE FOR STAFFING NOT ONLY THERE, BUT AS WE MOVE TO FIRE STATION EIGHT AND THEN WE INCREASE STAFFING FOR OUR SAFETY OF OUR APPARATUS.
CUZ IN ALL DUE RESPECT, WE ARE WAY, WAY BEHIND WHERE WE NEED TO BE AS FAR AS A STANDARD RIGHT NOW.
AND I'M NOT PREACHING, I'M BEING HONEST.
AND IN THAT, SO JUST AS WE LOOK AT STRAT STRATEGIES AS WE MOVED AHEAD, WE JUST HAVE TO LOOK AT SOME WAY TO ONE, IT'S NOT GOING AWAY.
YOUR CALL VOLUME CONTINUES TO INCREASE.
YOUR PEOPLE ARE MOVING IN THIS COMMUNITY.
IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PLACE TO LIVE.
AND AS SUCH, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT SOME COMPREHENSIVE WAY OF DELIVERING A SERVICE AND WE CAN'T TURN A BLIND EYE TO IT.
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UM, TODAY ACTUALLY SENT ME, UM, A REQUEST ASKING FOR CAREER STAFFING AT THEIR STATION ON ALL THREE SHIFTS.TO IN, IN CONCERT WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING AT SIX OF THE OTHER HOUSES.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT PART OF YOUR CURRENT BUDGET THEN FOR RESOURCES.
IT IS NOT, IT IS NOT, IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT IT COULD BE ADJUSTED BY YES MA'AM.
AND THEN THE SECOND QUESTION IS, IS, UM, WHAT CAN WE DO TO HELP YOU WITH THESE GRANTS? WE, AS THE BOARD, MAYBE YOU TELL ME.
WHAT CAN YOU DO TO HELP ME? I, I'M NOT SURE I, UM, I ACTUALLY WENT TO PEOPLE, AGAIN, SMARTER THAN ME, DR.
DALE, I'VE TALKED TO MATT ROBERTSON, I'VE HEARD A WHOLE LOT OF SPECULATION IN CONVERSATION.
I'VE HEARD NOTHING DEFINITIVE.
IN FACT, YOU DON'T KNOW, YOU DON'T RECEIVE THE GRANT UNTIL THE GRANT IS ACTUALLY CLOSED.
AND LEAST BY DEFAULT YOU UNDERSTAND YOU DIDN'T RECEIVE IT.
WHEN YOU HEAR OTHER AGENCIES ARE GETTING IT.
I CAN TELL YOU FROM BEING IN THE INDUSTRY, THERE IS NO MUNICIPALITY IN MY OPINION, THAT NEEDS IT MORE THAN US.
AND I DON'T CARE IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT STUFF OR YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE.
SO WHATEVER I CAN DO TO INFLUENCE THAT, WHETHER HAVING CONVERSATION DOWN IN RICHMOND OR TALKING TO OUR LOCAL CONSTITUENTS OR POLITICIANS, I'LL BE GLAD TO DO SO.
I CAN GIVE YOU PERFORMANCE METRICS.
I CAN GIVE YOU ADVANCED CARDIAC LIFE SUPPORT STANDARDS.
I CAN GIVE YOU 17, 10 STANDARDS TO TELL YOU WE'RE WAY OUR 1720 STANDARDS TO TELL YOU WE'RE WAY OUTSIDE WHERE WE NEED TO BE.
SO I'M NOT SURE I HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU.
I'M, I'M REALLY, AS MY DAUGHTER WOULD SAY, YOU'RE BEFUDDLED.
WHERE DID, WHERE DID THESE GRANTS COME FROM? THAT'S THE FIRST WANNA SPEAK MORE CHAIR? WHAT'S THE SOURCE OF THE GRANT HISTORY? SO WHAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU IS WE, WE BROUGHT TOGETHER OUR CAPTAIN STAFF AND WE, EACH ONE WAS EXPLORED IN, IN TASKED WITH EXPLORING GRANT OPPORTUNITIES SO WE COULD MAP OUT, UM, HISTORICALLY WE LEARN ABOUT THE GRANT ONCE IT IS ADVERTISED THAT HEY, THERE'S A GRANT OPEN AND, UM, WE DON'T HAVE THE TIME OR THE STAFFING TO PUT TOGETHER THE GRANT REQUEST AND GET IT SUBMITTED TO THE BOARD.
SO, UM, BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, SO THIS IS THAT FIRST LONG TERM PLANNING ATTEMPT TO COMPILE ALL OF THE KNOWN GRANTS THAT WE WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR IDENTIFYING WHAT PROJECTS WE CAN USE THAT GRANT FOR.
ARE THERE ANY COMPETING INTEREST IN THAT GRANT REQUEST? IN ADDITION, WHAT ARE THE MATCHING FUNDS REQUIRED FOR THAT GRANT REQUEST? THE TWO MAJOR GRANTS THAT WE ARE ELIGIBLE FOR IS SAFER.
UM, THE SAFER GRANT THAT YOU ALL ARE ALL FAMILIAR WITH AND THE ASSISTANCE TO FIREFIGHTER GRANTS.
UM, THE AFG GRANT ASSISTANCE TO FIREFIGHTER GRANTS IS A MULTIFACETED GRANT THAT'S ANYWHERE FROM PPE TO FIRE TRUCKS TO DIESEL EXHAUST REMOVAL SYSTEMS. IT IS MULTIFACETED.
UH, WE RECENTLY APPLIED FOR THAT GRANT FOR A REGIONAL APPROACH TO REPLACE ALL OF OUR SELF-CONTAINED BREATHING APPARATUS.
THAT WAS A $700,000 GRANT THAT WE WERE AWARDED.
THE TERM OF THE GRANT OR WHAT THEY CALL THE PERIOD OF PERFORMANCE IS A THREE YEAR PERIOD OF PERFORMANCE.
SO WE REAPPLIED THE NEXT YEAR TO APPLY FOR A PPE.
WE DID THAT AS A REGIONAL GRANT WITH ALL OF OUR FIRE COMPANIES BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY HAD TURNOUT GEAR IN VOLUNTEER LOCKERS OR IN SHELLS OR THE REPOSITORY OF THE INDIVIDUAL STATION THAT WAS WELL OVER 20 YEARS OLD WITH A 10 YEAR EXPIRATION DATE.
SO WE USE THAT AS THAT, AS A FRONTLINE SET.
WERE WE DENIED OR DO THEY JUST AWARD IT TO OTHER? THEY AWARD IT TO OTHERS.
YOU JUST GET, HEY, YOU WEREN'T SELECTED.
AND THEY DON'T TELL YOU WHY, WHAT THE REASON IS.
ADDITIONALLY, WE APPLIED FOR THE SAFER GRANT FOR RIVERMONT STAFFING SIX PEOPLE.
THAT IS A THREE YEAR PERIOD OF PERFORMANCE.
THAT IS A HUNDRED YEAR, OR I'M SORRY, A HUNDRED PERCENT GRANT.
UM, NO MATCHING FUNDS REQUIRED.
SO THEY ARE PAYING THE SALARY OF THOSE SIX POSITIONS FOR THREE YEARS.
WE JUST TURNED INTO THE SECOND YEAR OF THAT GRANT.
WE APPLIED FOR ANOTHER SAFER GRANT.
WE DIDN'T GET AWARDED DEBT ONCE.
THE NEXT CYCLE SHOULD BE ANYTIME SOON.
AND WHO IS, WHO AWARDS THESE GRANTS? SO THOSE GRANTS ARE AWARDED BY FEMA.
THEY'RE FEDERAL GRANTS ALLOCATED THROUGH THE CONGRESS AS PART OF THE FEMA PACKAGE IN THE GRANTS PROGRAM.
THAT'S SO OR SO WITH THAT BEING SAID IS WE THINK WE CAN'T FIND DEFINITIVE ANSWERS.
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THE QUESTION AND WE GET ROUNDABOUT, BUT NOBODY WILL TELL YOU THAT YOU'RE INELIGIBLE FOR THAT GRANT BECAUSE YOU'RE CURRENTLY UNDER A GRANT.SO THE AIR PACK GRANT SHOWS US AS UNDER FOR THREE YEARS.
THE SAFER GRANT SHOWS US AS UNDER THAT GRANT FOR THREE TOTAL YEARS BECAUSE THAT'S THE PERIOD OF PERFORMANCE.
WE CAN'T FIND ANOTHER DEPARTMENT THAT'S BEEN AWARDED MULTIPLE GRANTS WITHIN THE THREE YEAR.
MATT ROBERTSON, UH, WISH HE WAS HERE TO SPEAK ON IT.
EVEN IN FALL CARE, THEY AWARDED A SAFER GRANT.
THEY WENT AFTER IT MULTIPLE YEARS IN A ROW, DENIED, DENIED, DENIED.
AS SOON AS THEY CAME OUT OF THEIR PERIOD OF PERFORMANCE, THEY WERE AWARDED ANOTHER SAFER GRANT.
I WISH WE HAD KNOWN THAT BECAUSE WE LIMITED THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WE WERE WILLING TO CONSIDER AS A BOARD WHEN WE VOTED ON THAT GRANT.
IF YOU RECALL, WE HAD THE CHOICE TO GO FROM SIX TO 18.
IS THAT WE WERE TOLD IF WE WERE AFRAID, IF WE ASKED FOR TOO MANY, WE GET KNOCKED OUT.
BUT HAD WE KNOWN THAT THIS WAS THE CYCLICAL THING THAN WE, AND THAT IS A ASK FOR MORE.
THERE'S A, AS CHIEF SAYS, THERE'S A LOT SMARTER PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT REVIEWS IT.
YOU START LOOKING AT DOLLAR PER CAPITA IN FEDERAL FUNDS.
IF YOU READ THE GRANT ANNOUNCEMENTS, THEY REALLY LIKE TO TOUT HOW MANY DEPARTMENTS APPLIED, HOW MANY RECEIVED, WHAT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WAS, AND WHAT THE POPULATION SERVED BY THAT GRANT IS.
SO IT'S A GAMBLE ON HOW MUCH YOU WANT.
WE, AS A LOCALITY FOR THE AFG GRANT AS AN EXAMPLE, WE'RE CAPPED AT A MILLION DOLLARS.
WE CAN'T ASK FOR MORE THAN A MILLION DOLLARS ON THE AFG SIDE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH POPULATION.
SO, SO WE KNOW THAT'S A CONSIDERATION.
SO IF YOU REMEMBER OUR GRANT, WE SCRAMBLED BECAUSE OUR TOTAL NEED ON THE SCBA WAS OVER A MILLION DOLLARS.
SO WE HAD TO FIGURE OUT HOW ARE WE GONNA DO THIS AND GET IT BELOW A MILLION DOLLARS? WE DEVELOPED THAT PLAN, AND YET WE WERE AWARDED THE, THE 700,000.
SO THEN THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF GRANTS OUT THERE.
THAT'S ON THE LIST, HUH? I LIKE THOSE.
WE DON'T HAVE ONE OF THOSE HERE, BUT WE'RE IN A SERVICE AREA OF FIREHOUSE SUBS.
SHANNON DOAH SHORES VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT RECEIVED A FIREHOUSE SUBS GRANT LOBE FOUNDATION, WHICH SUGGEST CHARITABLE ORGANIZATION IN FALL CARE COUNTY CHESTER GAPS BEEN AWARDED GRANTS FROM THEM.
SO WE ARE STARTING KIND OF COMPILE THAT LIST.
UM, I, I, WE'VE, WE'VE SPOKE TO THIS BOARD BEFORE ON UH, LIVE FIRE TRAINING, UH, BUILDINGS.
THE STATE HAS A GRANT PROGRAM FOR THAT.
I WAS GONNA ASK WHAT STATE GRANTS ARE AVAILABLE BEYOND, SO IN THOSE STATE GRANTS ARE IN THERE, WE WERE JUST RECEIVED NOTICE TODAY WE WERE AWARDED A $7,500 EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT GRANT THAT WE APPLIED FOR.
UM, SO, SO EVEN THOSE MANY GRANTS, WE HAVE A CURRENT STATE GRANT IN FOR TECHNOLOGY HARDWARE GRANT.
SO HOW CAN WE REPLACE SOME OF THE LAPTOPS IN OUR SYSTEM THAT ARE USED TO TRAIN ON NERS REPORTING? RIGHT.
SO WHILE THAT MAY ONLY BE A COUPLE THOUSAND DOLLARS, THAT'S A COUPLE THOUSAND THOUSAND DOLLARS THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE OUT OF THE BUDGET OR GENERAL FUND.
AND WE'RE ABLE TO EXECUTE CERTAIN INITIATIVES FOR ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE DRY FIRE HYDRANT GRANT, UH, TO COMMUNITY BASED GRANTS THAT WE SIGN ONTO LOOKING AT WILD LAND URBAN INTERFACE.
SO THIS IS REALLY AN ATTEMPT TO KIND OF METHODICALLY PLAN TO APPLY FOR THOSE GRANTS TO EVALUATE THOSE GRANTS.
ADDITIONALLY, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, THE COMPETING NEEDS, THERE MAY BE A GRANT OUT THERE THAT A VOLUNTEER STATION WANTS TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, BUT WE WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF.
AND NOW WE ARE COMPETING AGAINST OUR OWN PARTNERS.
WHEREAS BEFORE, IF WE SIGN INTO A REGIONAL APPROACH, HOW DOES THAT LOOK? SO IT REALLY KIND OF OUTLINES THAT FOR US.
WHEN YOU USE THE TERM REGIONAL, ARE YOU SAYING REGIONALLY IN THE WARREN COUNTY SYSTEM OR ARE YOU SAYING WE ARE COOPERATING WITH OUR, OUR, UH, BORDERING COUNTIES? BOTH.
SO THERE'S REGIONAL OPPORTUNITIES AT THE STATE LEVEL.
SO WE'VE SIGNED ONTO A REGIONAL GRANT FOR A CAR FIRE TRAINING PROP THAT IS STORED IN SHENANDOAH COUNTY.
THEY WROTE THE GRANT WE SIGNED ON AS PART OF THAT GRANT PACKAGE.
SO NOW WHEN IT GETS TO THE STATE LEVEL, RIGHT.
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THAT FOR OUR FIRE ACADEMY.WE ONLY MAY USE IT TWO OR THREE TIMES A YEAR, BUT IT WAS A REGIONAL GRANT APPROACH TO A REGIONAL GRANT FROM ACROSS OUR SYSTEM BECAUSE ALL OF OUR VOLUNTEER STATIONS ARE THEIR OWN INCORPORATIONS, UM, WITHIN THE, THE, THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA.
SO WE QUALIFY FOR A REGIONAL APPROACH TO GET NEW AIR PACKS AS AN EXAMPLE FOR ALL OF THESE STATIONS.
AND WE AS THE APPLICANT ARE IN CHARGE OF ENSURING THE ORDERING, THE DISTRIBUTION, THE TRAINING, AND THE MAINTENANCE.
SO WE HAVE A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING SIGN AMONGST ALL OF OUR VOLUNTEER ENTITIES THAT OUTLINES WHAT THAT PROGRAM LOOKS LIKE.
UH, I SEE ON HERE WHERE JOEY HAS, UM, YOU'VE GOT HIM DOWN FOR DRY HYDRANTS AND I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT DOING THE DRY HYDRANT UP WITH, UM, THE PROJECT AT THE INDIAN HOLLOW BRIDGE.
IS HE THE PERSON I NEED TO TALK TO NOW INSTEAD OF YOU ON THAT? UM, YOU CAN TALK TO HIM.
SO THAT WHAT THE DRY HYDRANT GRANT IS, ONE ISN'T QUALIFIABLE WELL FOR THE DRY FIRE HYDRANT GRANT.
SO THE STATE HAS SPECIFIC CRITERIA.
IS THERE ALREADY A STATE HYDRANT WITHIN THE VICINITY OF RIGHT.
SO, UH, I, YES, I KNOW THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT AT LENGTH.
DO BELIEVE THAT AREA WILL QUALIFY.
SO WHAT JOEY DOES FOR THE DRY HYDRANT IS ONE, HE RESEARCHES IT, HE LOOKS AT IT, HE'LL ASSISTANT ASSIST ME IN APPLYING FOR IT.
THEN HE MANAGES OUR DRY FIRE HYDRANT PROGRAM.
I E MAKING SURE THAT THEY GET INSPECTED IF THERE'S ANY REPAIRS NEEDED, HE SUBMITS THAT PAPERWORK.
UM, NATIONAL FOREST, MARY HAD SAID THEY'D BE INTERESTED BECAUSE OF USING THAT AS UM, A SITE BASE IF THE MOUNTAIN GOT ON FIRE AGAIN.
WE EXPECT SOME CHANGE AT THE STATE DRY HYDRANT PROGRAM.
UM, FRED TURS, HE'S FINALLY RETIRED.
HE'S BEEN A PART OF THE DEPARTMENT OF FORESTRY FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.
UH, AND THEY HAVE RE RECENTLY REPLACED THE CONTRACTOR.
SO THAT GRANT COMES IN THE FORM OF GOODS AND SERVICES.
SO WE GET WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER, APPLY FOR A DRY FIRE HYDRANT LOCATION.
WE DO THE PAPERWORK FOR THE STATE, WE SUBMIT IT, IT'S AWARDED BY THE CONTRACTOR COMING OUT AND INSTALLING THE HYD.
WELL I DIDN'T KNOW SINCE I SAW THAT.
UM, CUZ I KNOW WE HAD BEEN TALKING AND I WANNA KEEP THAT BALL ROLLING PLEASE.
AND IF JOEY WOULD BE THE ONE THAT YOU'D WANT ME YEAH, FEEL FREE TO AND I'LL LET HIM KNOW THAT YOU'LL BE CALLING.
CUZ I FIGURE IT'S TIME TO CALL MARY AND SAY, WHERE ARE WE ON THIS? JUST TO MAKE SURE SHE HADN'T FORGOTTEN ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS? UM, JUST GOING THROUGH THIS LIST, MAYBE IF, UM, I REACH OUT TO JERRY IN A COUPLE OF DAYS TO GO THROUGH THIS LIST, I THINK, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT MORE AND, UM, SEE WHAT I CAN DO TO HELP.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME.
DAILEY, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT GETTING A, A GRANT WRITER AND SO FORTH, AND I KNOW THAT'S STILL SOMETHING IN PROGRESS, BUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHERE ARE WE WITH THAT TOO? BUT THAT FAR? UM, WE'RE DOING THE INTERVIEWS.
THEY ARE DOING THE INTERVIEWS THIS WEEK FOR THE GRANTS AND BUDGET POSITION IN FINANCE.
AND WE HAVE, UH, GOT THE APPLICATIONS TOGETHER AND ARE GOING PROBABLY, PROBABLY A WEEK FROM NOW.
WE'RE GONNA DO THESE INTERVIEWS THIS WEEK.
UH, AND THEN WE'LL PROBABLY SET THE INTERVIEWS FOR THE GRANTS PERSON TO BE WORKING WITH MRS. LOGAN AND MR. PETTY.
PROBABLY NEXT WEEK IS WHEN WE'LL PROBABLY GET THOSE SCHEDULED TO GET THOSE IN THERE.
WE'RE, UM, VERY PLEASED WITH OUR APPLICATIONS.
THEY'RE, UH, SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENT
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IN THE QUALITY OF THE APPLICATIONS THAT WE ARE RECEIVING.ARE WE COMPETITIVE? ARE WE COMPETITIVE WITH THE SALARIES? WE WILL BE VERY GOOD.
OH, I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT UNTIL WE SEE WHAT THEY'RE ASKING.
UH, WE WERE JUST, THERE ARE, WE'RE VERY PLEASED.
THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO COME TO WORK IN WARREN COUNTY AND THIS PERSON, IS THIS GONNA BE CLOSE TO BE? I WAS GONNA, WELL, YEAH.
UM, ARE, ARE WE GOING TO, I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYBODY IS SAYING THE SAME THING.
SO IS HOW OVERWHELMING IS THIS GOING TO BE FOR THIS GRANT WRITER WITH EVERYBODY? THIS GRANT WRITER IS GOING TO BE DIVIDED.
IT'S GONNA BE WORKING, UM, FOR MR. PETTY AND MRS. LOGAN.
THIS PERSON IS NOT GOING TO BE DOING EVERY DEPARTMENT'S GRANT.
UH, IF THE SHERIFF WANTS TO APPLY FOR A GRANT, THEY WILL BE APPLYING FOR THAT GRANT.
AND IF WE CAN ASSIST THEM, WE WILL.
UH, THIS LIST YOU SEE HERE, UH, THE CHIEF HAS GONE THROUGH AFTER WE HAVE DISCUSSED THIS ISSUE, AND HE'S ASSIGNED WHO'S GOING TO BE THE LEAD PERSON ON EACH OF THESE GRANTS.
SO THAT PERSON IS THE ONE AND WILL BE CORRALLING AND COORDINATING THE GRANTS OVER HERE.
AND BETWEEN THAT AND THE PERSON AND FINANCE KEEPING TRACK AND MAKING SURE EVERYBODY'S GETTING THEIR PAPERS DONE ON TIME AND THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING NOTICES ABOUT WHY OUR GRANT SUBMISSION IS LATE.
UH, THAT'S THE KIND OF THING WE'RE GONNA DO OVER HERE.
THE INDIVIDUAL GRANT APPLICATION FOR ANY OF THESE PROJECTS HERE WILL COME THROUGH FIRE AND RESCUE OR IF IT'S THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE FROM THERE, OR IF IT'S THE PARK RECREATION.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, MRS. LOGAN HAS BEEN TAKING THE LEAD ON GETTING SOME OF THOSE APPLICATIONS TOGETHER AND WILL CONTINUE TO WORK ON THAT ASPECT OF IT.
IF MR. BARRY HAS A GRANT APPLICATION, HE'LL BE WORKING ON IT WITH OUR OFFICE.
BUT THESE PEOPLE, EVERYBODY'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR OWN GRANTS AND GETTING THEM SUBMITTED AND PREPARED THAT WILL BE GLAD TO HELP THEM EVERY WAY WE CAN, BUT WE'RE NOT DOING IT FOR THEM.
SO IF, IF I HAVE FILLED OUT A GRANT AND I'M UNSURE, THEY CAN LOOK AT IT AND SAY, YEP, THIS LOOKS GOOD, OR I WOULD SUGGEST THIS OR THAT WE DO THAT, WE'D BE GLAD TO HELP THEM FIND, WELL, WHERE DO I FIND THIS INFORMATION? WE'LL BE GLAD TO HELP 'EM FIND IT, CETERA.
BUT THEY'LL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR OWN PROJECT.
MR. JONES, HE'S BEEN PATIENTLY WAITING AND I THINK ARE, ARE WE AT THIS POINT GOING TO ADJOURN THE WORK SESSION TO GO INTO THIS SO THAT, HOW ARE WE, HOW DID YOU WANNA DO THAT? SO, MR. JONES AND I HAD TALKED EARLIER TODAY TO RECESS THE WORK SESSION, AND THEN DURING THE RECESS WE REVIEW THE TECHNICAL ASPECTS OF IPAD TRAINING AND THEN WE WOULD COME BACK, RE UM, RESUME THE MEETING AND THEN ADJOURN THE WORK SESSION.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO MEET OUTSIDE OF THE PURVIEW OF THE WORK SESSION, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO NOT HAVE THE PUBLIC WATCH US LEARN HOW TO OPERATE AN IPAD FOR THE NEXT HOWEVER LONG IT TAKES.
SO YOU MEAN TO SAY THAT WE DON'T WANT THE PUBLIC TO KNOW OUR, OUR, OUR HOW WELL WE CAN, WE CAN USE THESE SO THEY CAN LEARN SOMETHING FROM US OR BORE THEM FOR THAT'S, THAT'S AWESOME.
YOU DON'T WANNA SEE COMMENTS ABOUT YOUR LEARNING PROCESS.
SO, AND UM, SO WE'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU.
DO YOU NEED US IN THE BACK? UM, NO.
I'LL, I'LL ADDRESS YOU GUYS RIGHT WHERE YOU'RE STANDING.
SO, UM, THESE ARE YOUR IPADS THAT COME IN.
THREE DIFFERENT PARTS BASICALLY.
SO ALL OF THESE PARTS CONNECT UP TOGETHER, ALLY.
IT CONNECTS ALLY TO THE KEYBOARD AND THERE'S THREE BUTTONS HERE ON THE KEYBOARD.
AND, AND THE POWER TO THE KEYBOARD COMES THROUGH THE IPAD SPECIFICALLY.
SO YOU ATTACH THAT, LIKE, THAT, IT STICKS RIGHT ON THERE.
AND THEN THIS IS AN APPLE PENCIL AND THEN ATTACHES TO THE TOP ALLY.
AND WHEN IT ATTACHES TO THE TOP IN CHART, WE ALREADY HERE.
[E. Training Session for CivicClerk Agenda Management Software]
SO, SO WE ARE LIVE AND MR. JONES,[02:10:01]
IF YOU WANNA START THE EDUCATIONAL PROCESS HERE.SO IF YOU OPEN UP YOUR IPAD, YOU'LL SEE A PROMPT SWIPE UP FROM THE BOTTOM.
AND YOU'LL SEE A SHOULD POP UP MAYBE.
WHERE IT SAYS PASSCODE REQUIREMENTS, CLICK CHANGE NOW.
IT'S, CAN YOU USE THE SAME COUNTY PASSWORD THAT YOU'VE ALWAYS USED, TODD? IT'S IT'S JUST A, IT'S JUST A SIX DIGIT CODE.
SO DOES THAT WE CAN'T USE WHAT WE'RE TO GET IN.
THIS IS JUST A SIX DIGIT PASSCODE.
THAT'S WHAT IS ON MY LAPTOP TOO.
I'VE GOT THE SAME THING ON MY LAPTOP.
CAN'T DO IT FROM, THERE YOU GO.
SO DID EVERYBODY GET THEIR PASSCODE SET? MM-HMM.
SO NEXT I WANT YOU TO GO TO MICROSOFT OUTLOOK.
SO IF YOU OPEN UP THE DEVICE AGAIN AT THE CLOSED.
AND TYPE IN YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS.
YOU HAVE TO HIT ADD ACCOUNT AND THEN TYPE IN YOUR PASSWORD FOR YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS.
MINE SAYS US GOVERNMENT ACCOUNT DETECTED, HIT RE RESTART THE APP.
MORE INFORMATION AND THEN OPEN UP OUTLOOK AGAIN.
CAN I OPEN THIS ONE SINCE IT'S DOWN HERE? LET ME SEE.
SO A PEN CODE, ANOTHER FOUR DIGIT PIN CODE.
ENABLE NOTIFICATIONS, TURN ON.
CAN YOU SAVE INFORMATION? SO LET'S DO THIS.
I CREATED NEW FOUR DIGIT CODE.
ANOTHER FOUR DIGIT CODE THAT'S TO THERE AND SEE IF THERE'S A CODE.
OPEN UP OUTLOOK AGAIN THAT YOU HAVE ON SCREEN.
CAN I SAY YES ON ONE SPACE HOUSE, FOUR DIGIT, TAKING PICTURES.
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AND THEN CLICK ON TURN ON.AND TYPE ON, CLICK ON, TURN ON.
SO, SO, SO BASIC IPADS, GO AHEAD AND TYPE IN THE, OH SHOOT, YOU TURN ON AND CLICK ON.
WHEN YOU HAVE AN APPLICATION OPEN LIKE THAT, THE WAY YOU CLOSE THAT APPLICATION, DOES HE SWIPE UP FROM THE BAR? AND IT'S ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT HERE? YEAH.
SO SEE RIGHT THERE YOU CAN HIT, YOU CAN DO IT WITH TOUCH PAD OR YOU CAN DO IT WITH THE, WITH THE TOUCH SCREEN, WHICHEVER YOU'D LIKE.
SO ON THIS PAGE, ON THE FRONT HERE, IF YOU GUYS GO TO THE FRONT PAGE, THE HOME SCREEN NOW HIT SWIPE UP.
SEE THIS IS YOUR, THIS IS YOUR HOME SCREEN, OKAY? MM-HMM.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF APPS THAT COME WITH THESE DEVICES.
BY DEFAULT, WE'VE CLOSED THEM ALL OFF AND TURNED THEM OFF AND GIVEN YOU THE APPS THAT YOU NEED TO USE TO DO THE WORK YOU NEED TO DO WITHOUT DRIVING YOU GUYS NUTS WITH ALL THE OTHER STUFF.
SO YOU NOTICED THE FIRST ICON IS OUTLOOK.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALSO CALLED INTERNET EXPLORER.
BUT AN APPLE WORLD THEY CALL SAFARI PDF EXPERT IS A PROGRAM YOU'RE GONNA USE IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE AGENDA MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE.
WE DON'T NEED TO LOOK AT THAT RIGHT NOW.
SETTINGS IS SOMETHING YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TO GET INTO, BUT IF YOU DO, THAT'S WHERE THAT IS.
CCP CIVIC PLUS IS THE, UH, AGENDA MANAGEMENT LOGIN PAGE.
WE'LL GO OVER THAT AT ANOTHER TIME.
THE NEXT, THE NEXT ICON YOU SEE IS THE, UH, COUNTY SEAL.
THAT'S FOR THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE.
WHY DONT YOU GUYS GO AND CLICK ON THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE FOR SO THIS, SO IT OPENS UP THE WEBSITE IN, IN THE PROGRAM CALLED SAFARI.
AND YOU CAN NAVIGATE THROUGH THIS AND PLAY VIDEOS AND DO THIS, DO THIS.
IF YOU WANT TO GO TO ANOTHER WEBSITE, YOU CAN SWIPE UP TO SAFARI AND IN THE ADDRESS BAR RIGHT HERE, TYPE IN THE ADDRESS, SAY GOOGLE.COM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IF YOU'D LIKE.
SEE HOW WE DO THAT? I DON'T SEE IT.
AND THEN YOU CAN TYPE IN ENTER.
SO REMEMBER THAT, BECAUSE THESE ARE ALL BRAND NEW, SOME OF THESE ARE, SOME OF THESE APPLICATIONS GONNA ASK YOU QUESTIONS.
THE FIRST TIME YOU OPEN THEM, JUST ANSWER THEM.
IF YOU WANT TO USE A DIFFERENT BROWSER OTHER THAN SAFARI.
WELL, NO YOU DON'T BECAUSE THERE ISN'T ANOTHER BROWSER INSTALLED ON THE DEVICE.
SO WHAT'S THIS SPLASH TOP SOS DOWNLOAD.
THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA NOT DO.
YEAH, PROBABLY CUZ I WAS LOOKING AT THAT EARLIER.
BUT IF YOU LIKE GO TO SIGN TO GOOGLE.
NO, YOU CLICK ON REMEMBER I WAS SAYING IF WE DON'T USE THAT.
SO LET'S SWIPE UP AND GO BACK TO THE HOMEPAGE AGAIN.
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ON YOUR SCREEN SAYS SLS.SO GO AHEAD AND OPEN THAT ICON AND YOU'LL NOTICE YOU'LL GET A NINE DIGIT NUMBER THAT'LL POP UP ON THE SCREEN.
SO IF YOU GET IN PANIC MODE AND YOU'RE LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO, YOU CAN CALL IT FOR MYSELF.
GIVE US THAT NINE DIGIT NUMBER AND WE'LL REMOTE INTO YOUR IPAD AND GET YOU WHAT YOU NEED.
WHAT ARE YOUR HOURS OF OPERATIONS? YEAH, I'M SOMETIMES AT THREE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.
WELL, I HAVE TO BE NEAR MY COMPUTER TO GET TO YOUR COMPUTER.
SO IF YOU'RE CALLING ME THREE IN THE MORNING, I'M SAT OUT IS WHAT IT STANDS FOR.
THEN SO THEN YOU HAVE, THEN YOU NOTICE THE NEXT, THERE'S A BUNCH OF, THERE'S A FOLDER THERE AND THOSE ARE ALL YOUR OFFICE APPS.
SO IF YOU WANT TO USE A TEAM'S APPLICATION OR YOUR ONEDRIVE ACCOUNT OR EXCEL OR POWERPOINT, THAT'S WHERE ALL THOSE APPLICATIONS RESIDE.
OH, IT'S NOT HARD ACCOUNT EXIST.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY NEED ANYTHING.
MOST OF THE TIME THEY'RE GONNA SEND YOU A LINK IN YOUR EMAIL AND YOU'RE JUST GONNA CLICK ON IT.
SO THESE ARE ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT ASK FOR THE FIRST TIME.
I USE MICROSOFT TEAMS EVERY DAY, UNFORTUNATELY.
AND WE'LL FIGURE THAT OUT IN A SECOND.
OKAY, SO SWIPE UP AND GO BACK TO THE HOMEPAGE.
THE NEXT ICON IS, UM, WHERE YOU, THE WEBSITE YOU WOULD ENTER INTO TROUBLE TICKET FOR THE IT DEPARTMENT.
SO YOU CLICK ON THAT, IT TAKES IT TO WEBPAGE.
FOR AN EMAIL ADDRESS AND THE PASSWORD.
SO LET'S GO BACK TO OUTLOOK WHILE YOU'RE GONNA SIT UP FOR THIS ONE.
AND YOU SHOULD HAVE AN EMAIL IN THERE FROM US SAYING, HEY, WE'D LIKE TO INVITE YOU TO SET UP AN ACCOUNT.
I THINK I SET UP AN ACCOUNT WHILE AGO.
THEY HAVE THIS, ARE YOU UNDER FOCUS? OR OBVIOUSLY HE'S UNDER OTHER.
SO IT'S, IT'S A NO REPLY RMM SERVICE.
SEE NOW THOSE ARE THE ONES I DON'T ACCEPT INVITATION BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE I'D BE CALLING YOU.
CLICK ACCEPT INVITATION AND THEN YES, CLICK IN.
THIS IS THE PASSWORD FOR UTILIZING THE IT TICKETING SYSTEM.
YOU CAN MAKE IT THE SAME PASSWORD IF YOU'D LIKE.
I THINK THAT I GOT AHEAD OF THE GAME BECAUSE THIS EMAIL WAS ON MY PHONE AND I ALREADY DID IT.
OKAY, WELL YOU, SO THAT'S FINE.
HOW DO I, HOW DO I RIGHT? I ALREADY HAVE AN ACCOUNT SET.
SO HOW DO, ALL RIGHT, SWIPE UP AND AND TELL ME.
AND IF YOU GO TO THE IT SUPPORT ICON, ALL RIGHT, LET ME, YOU CAN TYPE IN THE USER NAME AND PASSWORD.
THAT'S WHAT I, OKAY, VERY GOOD.
I'M JUST GONNA ASK YOU TO PICK PASSWORD.
YOU WHAT SWEETIE? I SO WHAT YOU GOT? OKAY.
OH, MULTIFACTOR AUTHENTICATION.
SO IT MEANS IT'S GONNA GIVE YOU A COUPLE OF, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TWO PASSWORDS TO GET IN.
CLICK ON SMS. SMS IS A TEXT TO YOUR PHONE TYPING YOUR CELL PHONE NUMBER.
SHOULD I TYPE IN MY CELL PHONE NUMBER THERE? NO, HE DROP IT ON THERE.
CLICK ON MFA OR SMS. THEY TYPE IN YOUR CELL PHONE NUMBER.
YOU GOT IT SIR, I CAN HELP YOU ANYTIME CAN DROP ON THERE.
I HAVE TO DO THIS ON EVERY PHONE.
IT IS, BUT IT'S TO KEEP THOSE BAD GUYS FROM GETTING IN AND TAKING ALL YOUR STUFF.
SO I PUT, THEY CLICK ON SEND CODE MM-HMM.
WHATEVER CAME UP ON YOUR PHONE.
THEN TYPE IN WHATEVER GETS ON YOUR PHONE.
SO WIFI FOR OFFICE IS ALREADY IN THE SYSTEM SO WE DON'T HAVE TO SET UP NEW DEVICES OR ANYTHING.
SO WHEN WE GET THROUGH THIS TONIGHT, I HAVE THINGS PASSWORD.
NOW YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO ENTER WHEN
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YOU OPEN IT UP, YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO ENTER THAT.THE REGULAR, LIKE YOUR NUMBER, THAT PASSCODE NUMBER, YOU DID IT THE INITIALLY.
SO LET'S GO AND IF YOU'VE GOT ALL THAT DONE, YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH IT, LET'S SWIPE UP.
THEN YOU'VE GOT A MAGNIFIER APPLICATION THERE.
WE LEFT THAT ON THERE FOR YOU GUYS TO PLAY WITH.
BASICALLY TAKES THE CAMERA, MAGNIFIES WHATEVER ON THE CAMERA.
SO IF YOU WANNA USE THAT KINDA SO YOU CAN, THERE'S A CAMERA IN THE BACK AND IF YOU ZOOM IN, MAGNIFIES I CAN'T MANIPULATE.
OH, THE MAGNIFI FOR PEOPLE LIKE NEW CAN'T SEE
YOU NEED TO USE, OKAY, SO YOU HOLD IT.
SO YOU HOLD UP THE PICTURE BACK HERE.
IT'S, THERE'S A CAMERA RIGHT HERE.
SO I WANT, I WANT EACH OF YOU TO KNOW THAT THERE'S A LEARNING CURVE OF THESE THINGS.
WE EXPECT THAT YOU CAN ASK US QUESTIONS.
YOU CAN COME BY MY OFFICE WITH YOUR IPAD.
IT WILL HELP YOU ANY WAY WE POSSIBLY CAN.
NEXT IN, IN THE, IN THE FUTURE HERE, EMILY WILL GO OVER WITH YOU GUYS HOW TO USE THE APPLICATION FOR THE AGENDA MANAGEMENT SOLUTION.
WE'RE NOT READY FOR THAT TODAY, BUT I WANNA GET YOUR IPADS OUT AND GET YOU USING 'EM AND TEST THEM OUT.
IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, PLEASE LET US KNOW.
THESE THINGS ARE ALL REMOTELY MANAGED BY THE IT DEPARTMENT.
IF YOU NEED AN APPLICATION THAT'S NOT ON THE DEVICE, YOU CAN CALL US AND WE CAN PUSH THE APPLICATION TO YOUR DEVICE.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO PURCHASE ANYTHING, YOU DON'T HAVE TO, UH, MANAGE YOURSELVES.
WE COMPLETELY HANDLE FROM TOP TO BOTTOM.
YOU CAN ASK ME ANYTHING YOU WANT.
EVERYBODY ELSE WHERE'S THE ON OFF BUTTON? SO ON THAT'S, THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION.
THAT'S A VERY, SO YOU CAN, WHEN YOU CLOSE IT, IT TURNS OFF.
BUT ON THIS SIDE HERE IS A BUTTON.
SO YOU PRESS IT AGAIN, IT WAKES IT UP.
IF YOU WANT TO COMPLETELY POWER IT DOWN, THEN YOU PRESS THIS BUTTON HERE AND THIS BUTTON HERE AND HOLD THEM AND YOU CLICK SLIDE THE POWER OFF.
THAT TURNED TO COMPLETELY OFF.
THEN TO TURN IT BACK ON, YOU SIMPLY HOLD THIS BUTTON AGAIN.
SO IT DOESN'T AUTOMATICALLY OPEN IT, IT DOES AUTOMATICALLY TURN IT ON, BUT FROM A STANDPOINT POINT, NOT FROM POWER OFF.
SO IT'S IN STANDPOINT SLEEP MODE IF YOU WILL.
SO YOU PUSH THE BUTTON ON THE SIDE.
UM, IN TERMS OF UPDATES AND STUFF LIKE THAT, YOU GUYS PUSHING THOSE OUT, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANY UPDATE CUZ IT TOOK ME TWO HOURS TO UPDATE MY PHONE.
WE, WE TRIED, WE'VE TRIED REALLY HARD TO, TO MAKE THE DEVICES MAKE THESE IPADS IN A WAY THAT KEEPS YOU GUYS HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
AND I KNOW YOU'RE SEEING A LOT OF MESSAGES ON THE SCREEN AND STUFF CAUSE THEY'RE BRAND NEW.
BUT OUR INTENTION IS SO THAT WE DON'T WANT YOU GUYS TO BE WITH ALL THOSE POPUPS AND MESSAGES.
AND I'M SURE THERE'LL BE A TIME AT SOME POINT WHERE WE'LL HAVE TO COME IN AND, AND GRAB THEM AND DO UPDATES FOR THEM MANUALLY.
BUT THE IDEA IS TO DO MOST OF IT REMOTELY IF WE CAN.
SO, TODD, I HAVE ONE QUESTION.
HOW DO YOU GET RID OF THIS DUMB PERSONAL OTHER FILTER? I DON'T WANNA, I'M, I SO FOCUS, SO CLICK THAT GEAR ICON ON THE BOTTOM.
UM, RIGHT THERE ON THAT CORNER.
AND THERE'S A, THERE'S A SWITCH IN THERE TO TURN IT OFF.
I LIKE TO SEE ALL MY EMAILS OFF AS WELL.
NOW YOU GET TO SEE ALL YOUR EMAILS.
IF YOU WANNA TURN, GET RID OF YOUR FOCUSED INBOX.
AND THEN HIT THE GEAR ICON DOWN HERE.
WELL, BUT THEN I DON'T, I MEAN THERE'S OBVIOUS I DON'T OPEN UP EVERYTHING ON HERE, BUT EVERY NOW AND THEN THERE WILL BE ONE OF THESE FROM A CONSTITUENT.
SO WE'RE GONNA TURN IT OFF SO THEY DON'T GO TO YOUR INBOX.
SO THERE'S NO SEPARATE THINGS.
NOW THEY'RE ALL IN THE SAME BOX.
AND THEN YOU CAN PUT THIS X BUTTON TO CLOSE IT.
SO NOW ALL THOSE ANNOYING ONES THAT I'M IN ONE LINE.
YEAH, THAT'S, I DON'T LIKE 'EM IN THE BOX IN THE FOCUSED AND UNFOCUSED.
ANY, ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANYBODY OFF THE TOP OF THEIR HEAD? CAUSE I MISS EMAILS WHEN THAT HAPPENS.
SO AGAIN, PLEASE, THERE ARE NO STUPID QUESTIONS.
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A LEARNING CURVE TO THIS.LET US KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU NEEDED.
I'M SURE I CAN COME UP WITH A STUPID THANK YOU.
IF YOU, YEAH, WE COULD HAVE STARTED THIS IN THE BEGINNING.
YOU THE TRACK, BUT THE BLUETOOTH HOUSE AND IT CONNECTS FROM VIA BLUETOOTH TO YOUR IPAD 15 BUCKS ON AMAZON.
I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR TODD.
WHEN, HEY, MISS SH TOLD ME HOW DIFFICULT SHE WAS HAVING.
THAT'S WHY I FIGURED WE AT THE END, CAUSE IF SHE WAS HAVING THIS, I FIGURED, I KNOW MR. JONES.
SO ARE ALL MY WORD DOCS AND ALL THAT STUFF ONE HERE THAT I'VE SAVED? OR IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO IF YOU SAVE THEM IN ONE DRIVE? YES, I'LL GIVE YOU ONE DRIVE THAT'LL ALL BE THERE.
SO I'M GONNA GIVE YOU, MISSING EMAILS WILL BE ON THERE.
SO I'M GONNA GIVE YOU MY LAPTOP RIGHT NOW.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THEY KEEP THE LAPTOP.
THAT WE DON'T NEED 'EM ANYMORE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? EVERYBODY THANK I'M SURE.
ANYTIME I'LL SEE HIM OR SOMETIME AROUND LUNCHTIME.
WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, JUST GIVE A HEADS UP SO I KNOW YOUR COMMENTS.
WELL, MRS. SHERAK, I'M WILLING TO DO THIS, BUT FOR A WHILE I WANT MY PAPERS
YEAH, SO THERE'S, THERE WILL ALWAYS BE AT LEAST ONE PHYSICAL COPY.
EVEN WHEN THE AGENDA MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE GOES LIVE, THERE WILL ALWAYS BE ONE PHYSICAL COPY RIGHT OVER THERE.
ALWAYS FOR EVERY MEETING, JUST TWO PHYSICAL COPIES AT LEAST IS AS LONG AS I'M SITTING IN THIS CHAIR.
CUZ I, THAT'S A LONG WAY TO GO DURING A MEETING IN CASE I SCREW UP.
SO MY, SO MY ONLY CONCERN IS WHAT HAPPENS IF WE LOSE CONNECTIVITY BECAUSE THAT HAPPENS AND HAS WE JUST GET TO LEAVE SCREW OUT MEETINGS OPEN.
WELL, IF YOU DOWNLOAD IT INTO YOUR FILE, THEN RATHER THAN OPENING, YOU KNOW THAT, THAT'S A GOOD SUGGESTION.
SO SAVE THE WHOLE DOCUMENT, SAVE IT ON YOUR, ON YOUR ONE DRIVE.
AND THAT IS ALWAYS GONNA BE A POSSIBILITY WITH THE AGENDA MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE.
YOU'LL BE ABLE TO VIEW IT THROUGH THE BOARD PORTAL AND THERE IS ALSO A DOWNLOAD BUTTON SO THERE CAN BE BOTH.
SO WE CAN DOWNLOAD IT MM-HMM
AND THE, AND THE REASON THAT MR. JONES PUT THAT SPECIFIC PDF SOFTWARE ON THE IPAD IS, SO IF YOU DOWNLOAD IT, IT WILL BE IN A PDF AND YOU CAN TAKE THE APPLE PEN AND MARK UP ON THE PDF AND WRITE YOUR NOTES.
HIGHLIGHT ANYTHING YOU WANNA HIGHLIGHT, WRITE NOTES ON IT.
SO IT'S, IT'S DESIGNED JUST LIKE A PIECE OF PAPER SO YOU CAN WRITE ON IT AND HIGHLIGHT IT EXCEPT YOU HAVE ONE APPLE PENCIL INSTEAD OF A HIGHLIGHTER, A PEN AND A PENCIL AND THAT TYPE OF THING.
SO, AND YOU CAN SAVE THE DOCUMENTS FOR FUTURE REFERENCE.
WHEREAS NOW WE RETURN THEM TO YOU AND HAVE TO GO OUT TO THE WEBSITE IN ORDER TO ACCESS 'EM OR I RETURN THEM TO YOU.
YOU CAN STORE 'EM ON YOUR DEVICE, RIGHT? WELL I STORE 'EM MINE AT HOME, BUT WHEW, IT'S, IT'S GETTING TO BE A CHALLENGE.
I WAS GONNA SAY I SAVE THE FIRST THREE PAGES OF EACH SECTION THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, REUSES IT TO PAPER CLIP ALMOST.
I GO TO THE WEBPAGE AND GO SEARCH
WELL, AND THE NICE THING ABOUT THE AGENDA MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE IS THAT YOU WON'T HAVE TO GO TO INDIVIDUAL BOARDING COMMISSION PAGES ANYMORE.
ALL THE AGENDAS AND ALL THE MINUTES OF ALL THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND WARREN COUNTY ARE GONNA BE IN ONE CENTRALIZED LOCATION AND THEY'RE ALL GOING TO BE INDEXED.
SO IF YOU WANT TO FIND OUT SOMETHING ABOUT THE TROLLEY THAT HAPPENED BACK IN 2008, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GO THERE, SEARCH FOR TROLLEY AND ALL OF THE MINUTES AND AGENDAS THAT MENTION, EVEN THE WORD TROLLEY WILL SHOW UP, COME UP IN THE SEARCH.
SO THEY'RE GONNA GO BACK THAT FAR? NO, I LIED.
IT'S, WE'RE ONLY GOING BACK FIVE YEARS, BUT, OKAY.
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BUT YEAH, SO BA I KNOW I DID SAY 2008.YEAH, I MEAN THE, SO 2017 WILL BE THE LAST DATE YOU GO BACK.
SO JANUARY 1ST, 2018, 2000 IS GONNA BE THE START DATE.
AND THEN FROM THERE TO HOWEVER LONG IN THE FUTURE THAT WE GO WITH THIS SOFTWARE, IT'S GOING TO POPULATE.
WELL, NORMALLY IF ANYTHING HAPPENED BEFORE THAT I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO GO LOOK FOR.
SO THAT'S FINE WITH ME AND I WOULD BE GLAD TO FIND IT FOR YOU.
YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS WE'RE ALIVE, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE LEARNING.
I HAVE, I'M, I'D HAVE NEVER HAD AN IPAD.
I'M ALL, I'M A MICROSOFT COACH.
IS THERE, UM, ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS? IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SO MOVED.
TODD, YOU WERE GONNA SAY SOMETHING ELSE?