Oct 25, 2022 Board of Supervisors Special Meeting

AND WELCOME TO THE SPECIAL MEETING OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS.

GOOD EVENING EVERYONE,

[Call to Order]

AT THIS TIME, IF, UH, WE'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.

AND IF EVERYONE WILL STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEASE PLACE WE HAVE A UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH ITS ONE QUESTION UNDER GOD IN VISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND AT THIS TIME, ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA, ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS? HEARING NONE.

IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE, A AGENDA AS PRESENTED? SO MOVED.

SECOND.

IS TO AMEND THE PHYSICAL YEAR 2022.

PUBLIC SPEAKING, CONDUCT ALL COMMENTS SHOULD BE DIRECTED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND NOT TO THE AUDIENCE.

BE CONSIDERATE OF YOUR FELLOW SPEAKERS.

THERE SHOULD BE NO APPLAUSE, BOOING, OR OTHER BOLD DISRUPTION TO THE PROCEEDINGS.

THROUGH A SHOW OF HANDS, THE CHAIRMAN AS ASK FOR A SHOW OF SUPPORT FOR COMMENTS MADE BY SPEAKERS PLACARDS, POSTERS.

ANOTHER MEANS OF VISUAL DISPLAY OF COMMENTS WILL NOT BE PERMITTED IN THE BOARD MEETING ROOM.

THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE INFORMATIONAL MATERIALS USED AS PART OF A FACTUAL PRESENTATION TO THE BOARD AT THE HEARING.

THE BOARD WILL NOT TOLERATE PERSONAL ATTACKS BY ANYONE ON ANY OF THE PARTICIPANTS IN THE PROCEEDINGS.

AND ANYONE WHO VIOLATES THE GUIDELINES OF THE PUBLIC HEARING MAY BE ASKED TO LEAVE.

AND FIRST ON OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS

[A. Amend the Fiscal Year 2022-2023 Budget Based on Fiscal Year 2021-2022 Carryover – Matt Robertson]

2023.

BUDGET BASED ON FISCAL YEAR 20 21, 22 CARRYOVER.

MR. ROBERTSON.

THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR.

SO AS PRESENTED AT YOUR MEETING LAST WEEK DURING THE WORK SESSION, UM, THERE WAS THE 20 21, 20 22 FISCAL YEAR ENDED WITH ABOUT $3.3 MILLION SURPLUS IN THE GENERAL FUND, AND THERE WAS A BALANCE OF ABOUT 16.7 MILLION IN THE SPECIAL PROJECTS FUND.

WE WENT OVER ALL OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO FUND INTO THE FUTURE AND A REFUNDING OF THE SPECIAL PROJECTS FUND.

THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE ON THE SECOND PAGE OF THE ATTACHMENT.

IT QUITE SIMPLY LIST OUT EVERY PROJECT AND THE AMOUNT OF FUNDING THAT GOES INTO IT BY FUND.

SO YOU COULD CLEARLY SEE, BUT IT'S THE SAME INFORMATION THAT WE WENT OVER AT THE WORK SESSION BECAUSE THIS WOULD AMEND THE BUDGET BY MORE THAN 1%.

IT DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING.

ANY QUESTIONS? HAPPY TO ANSWER 'EM.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. ROBERTSON AT THIS TIME? OKAY.

PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.

MRS. SHIRAKI, DID ANYONE SIGN UP TO SPEAK ON THIS? NO, MA'AM.

WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM AT THIS TIME? SECOND CALL.

WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK? THIRD AND FINAL CALL.

PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.

ANY DISCUSSION AT THIS TIME? HEARING NONE.

IS THERE A MOTION? MADAME CHAIR MOVED THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AMEND THE FISCAL YEAR 2022 DASH 2023.

BUDGET AND APPROPRIATION RESOLUTION FOR FY 2022 AND 2023 IN APPROPRIATE AN ADDITIONAL $16,436,165 AS PROVIDED IN THE ATTACHED FY 2022 DASH 2023 CARRYOVER PACKAGE PURSUANT TO SECTION 15.2 DASH 2 5 0 7 OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA.

SECOND MADAM CHAIR, ROLL CALL MRS. SHIRAKI.

[B. Z2022-05-01, Ordinance to Amend and Re-Ordain Sections 180-8 and 180-28 and to Add and Ordain Sections 180-28.1 and 180-43.3 of the Warren County Code re: Light Industrial (LI) Zoning District and Data Centers – Matt Wendling]

ITEM TWO IS Z 2022 DASH OH FIVE DASH OH ONE ORDINANCE TO AMEND AND REORDER SECTIONS OF OUR CODE.

180 DASH 8 180 DASH 28.

AND TO ADD AN ORDAINED SECTIONS, 180 DASH 28.1 AND 180 DASH 43.3 OF THE WARREN COUNTY CODE FOR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT AND DATA CENTERS.

MR. WENDLING.

GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

UM, THE REQUESTED AMENDMENTS IN ADDITIONS ARE TO UPDATE WARREN COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE TO BE ECONOMICALLY COMPETITIVE AND PROACTIVE.

THE CONCEPT OF DATA CENTERS HAS BEEN A DISCUSSION POINT FOR MANY YEARS IN OUR AREA AND HAS MOST RECENTLY COME UP IN SOME OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REVIEW

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SESSIONS.

IN ADDITION TO THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE WARREN COUNTY CODE, THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL IS PROPOSING SIMILAR CODE LANGUAGE SO THAT BOTH JURISDICTIONS CAN BE CONSISTENT WITH OUR APPROACH TO THIS EVER GROWING INDUSTRY.

UH, AT THE SEPTEMBER MEETING, THE PLANNING COMMISSION MOVED THIS TEXT AMENDMENT FORWARD WITH THEIR APPROVAL WITH A 3 0 3 3 4 0 AGAINST, AND MR. MYERS ABSTAINED, UH, DUE TO HIS CONSIDERATION THAT IT COULD BE A CONFLICT OF IN INTEREST.

UM, SO HE, UH, DID NOT VOTE, THEY DID MOVE THAT FORWARD WITH APPROVAL AT OUR OCTOBER 4TH BOARD MEETING.

UM, WE DISCUSSED THIS MATTER A LITTLE BIT AND, UM, I I CAN GO OVER THAT KIND OF ONCE MORE JUST BRIEFLY.

UM, IN REGARD TO, UM, THE PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT WOULD BE HELD BASED ON, UM, THE DECISION OF EITHER BEING BY RIGHT OR BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

AND, UH, SOME OF THOSE PROCESSES, UM, BY RIGHT.

WOULD REQUIRE A SITE PLAN REVIEW BY STAFF, UM, ALSO OUTSIDE AGENCIES AND WOULD NEED TO RECEIVE FINAL APPROVAL BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

UM, IF THE DATA CENTER OR WAREHOUSING STRUCTURE WAS ON A LOT ALREADY ZONED INDUSTRIAL, UM, THE SITE PLAN IS THE ONLY OVERSIGHT THE COUNTY STAFF HAS TO REVIEW THEN, UH, THE PROJECT, IF IT WAS BY RIGHT, IF THE LOT WAS ZONED ANYTHING BUT INDUSTRIAL, THEN A REZONING REQUEST WITH THE ASSOCIATED PUBLIC HEARINGS WOULD NEED TO TAKE PLACE.

UM, THAT WOULD BE FOR EITHER INDUSTRIAL OR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, IF THAT'S APPROVED.

UM, IF THE LOT IS IN A HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT AND THE STRUCTURE EXCEEDED 50,000 SQUARE FEET, THEN A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WOULD BE REQUIRED WITH THE ASSOCIATED PUBLIC HEARINGS, BOTH THE REZONING AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS REQUESTS ARE SUBJECT TO BOARD APPROVAL.

IF THE LAND FOR DATA CENTER WAS CHANGED TO A CONDITIONALLY PERMITTED USE, THEN STAFF, UH, AND OUTSIDE AGENCIES WOULD REVIEW ANY SITE PLANS, WHICH WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE, BUT NOT REQUIRE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND BOARD APPROVAL.

ANY ZONING APPLICATION CAN BE SUBJECT TO A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT IF IT DOESN'T CONFORM TO THE EXISTING FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATED IN THE MOST RECENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

ALSO, THE COUNTY CAN REQUEST PROFFERS FOR COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL REZONING FOR IMPACTS THAT ARE DIRECTLY ATTRIBUTED TO THE LAND USE THAT, UH, WOULD BE APPLIED FOR.

SO, UM, THERE IS THAT ADDITIONAL ITEM.

UM, THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED.

I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE AT THIS TIME.

WELL, IT'S BEEN PUBLIC PROPERLY ADVERTISED OKAY.

PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN OR THERE ARE QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD FROM MR. WENLING AT THIS TIME.

WELL, THERE ARE NO ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.

RIGHT, BECAUSE THAT'S .

THIS IS A TEXT.

I WAS GONNA SAY YOU MISSPOKE BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PARTICULAR PARCEL LANE.

NO.

BUT, UH, WE WOULD NOTIFY ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS IF IT WAS, IF THEY WERE INVOLVED YES.

WAS REZONING YES.

BUT YEAH, THIS IS SOLELY A TEXT AMENDMENT, NO PUN INTENDED.

WE GET IN OUR ZONES ON THESE YEAH, YEAH.

HEARINGS AND, UM, I DO IT MYSELF, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WAS CONSIDERING THE RIGHT ISSUE.

YOU, YOU'RE, YOU'RE CORRECT.

ANY OTHER? I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING WRITE THIS, SIR.

SO, SO MADAME CHAIR, I I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

YOU KNOW, FIRST OF ALL, SO THE, SO THE QUESTION THAT'S COMING UP IS, UH, ARE ARE WE GOING TO CONSIDER THIS FOR BUY RIDE OR ARE WE GONNA CONSIDER IT, UH, UH, AS A, YOU KNOW, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT? AND THEN IS IT GONNA BE, UH, IS IT GONNA BE CONSIDERED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND OR IS IT GONNA BE CONSIDERED, UM, UM, COMMERCIAL OR, YOU KNOW, CAN YOU, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT? SURE.

UH, RIGHT NOW WE ARE INCLUDING IT IN BOTH THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL OKAY.

UM, WE ARE THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION MOVED THIS FORWARD AS A BUY RIGHT USE MM-HMM.

INDUSTRIAL ZONING, THEN IT WOULD GIVE YOU THAT ONE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THAT PARTICULAR LAND USE FOR THAT PARTICULAR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION.

UM, THAT IS UP TO YOU TO DECIDE THIS EVENING WHETHER YOU CHOOSE TO DO THAT OR BY A C U P.

UH, A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WOULD BENEFIT YOU IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS SPECIFIC TO THE PROPERTY AND TO THE LAND USE.

IT WOULD ALSO, UH, IF YOU HAD A PREVIOUSLY ZONED

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OTHERWISE, THERE'S NO PUBLIC HEARINGS INVOLVED.

IT'S JUST, IT'S A REVIEW BY THE COUNTY STAFF AGENCIES AND THEN THE SITE PLAN REVIEW BY PLANNING COMMISSION.

FOR BY RIGHT USE.

SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT ON A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, AND WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS BEFORE WITH, WITH OTHER, YOU KNOW, REQUESTS SAY LIKE, IF, IF THEY DON'T HOLD THEIR END OF THE BARGAIN UP, WE CAN PULL THAT AND THEN PULL THE PLUG ON IT.

CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.

UM, I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU WOULD DO THAT IF THAT BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED AND EVERYTHING.

UM, I MEAN, WE COULD JUST TELL 'EM, HEY, YOU'RE DONE.

YOU KNOW? YEAH.

I MEAN YOU COULD FE WE COULD FEASIBLY CITE THEM, UM, WITH THE ZONING ISSUES MM-HMM.

UM, PRIOR TO EVEN ISSUING THE CERTIFICATE OF ZONING, UM, WE HAD, WE WOULD DO A REVIEW TO MAKE SURE ALL OF THOSE CONDITIONS WERE MET.

THERE ARE ALSO SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS THAT ARE PART OF THIS ORDINANCE THAT WILL BE, NEED TO BE MET.

SO IF YOU HAD IT BY C U P, YOU'D HAVE BOTH.

IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE IT BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, YOU'D HAVE JUST THE SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS.

AND AGAIN, THEY DO NEED TO BE MET IN ORDER FOR THE BUSINESS TO OPEN TO, TO, TO OPEN AND TO CONTINUE AND TO CONTINUE.

WE FEASIBLY COULD REQUEST A REVOCATION, WHICH FOR ALL INTENSIVES PURPOSES WOULD CLOSE THE BUSINESS DOWN IF THEY DID NOT MEET.

BECAUSE I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF WE DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, SAY LIKE A CON UH, A CONDITIONAL USED PERMIT, IT'S GOT TEETH IN IT AND THAT, UH, THAT THEY JUST CAN'T COME IN AND SAY, OH YEAH, YEAH, WE'LL PROMISE YOU THIS, WE'LL PROMISE YOU THAT.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THEY RIGHT.

TWO YEARS FROM NOW, NONE THOSE PROMISES ARE BEING MET AND WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

UM, YEAH, AND, AND MOST OF THOSE WOULD PROBABLY BE RELATED TO WHAT OUTSIDE AGENCIES HAVE SUBMITTED, UH, SPECIFICALLY FOR THE PROPERTY.

A LOT OF TIMES WE HAVE A GENERIC KIND OF CONDITION THAT MUST MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT TRANSPORTATION.

UH, IN THIS CASE IT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE, UH, TOWN PUBLIC WORKS, YOU KNOW, UM, AND, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL, DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY, THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

AND OF COURSE THE BUILDING CODE.

SO, SO AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED TO EVEN CONSIDER ANYTHING LIKE THIS, THIS HAS TO BE A WIN-WIN FOR THE, FOR THE COMMUNITY.

SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE LONG TERM THAT WE WOULDN'T BE STUCK WITH A, WITH A WHITE ELEPHANT AROUND OUR NECK, SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY.

IT WOULD BE, UH, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD NOT USE WATER, IT WOULD NOT USE ELECTRICITY.

IT WOULD, UH, IT WOULD NOT BE PROVIDE POLLUTION AS FAR AS LIGHT AS FAR AS NOISE.

AND IF, UH, IF, AND I'VE GOT ABOUT 15 THINGS THAT I'VE WRITTEN DOWN HERE, AND IF IT, UH, IF IT SAY LIKE IF, IF TECHNOLOGY MOVES ON OR ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY COME UP WITH A, WELL, WE DON'T NEED THIS ANYMORE.

WE'RE NOT STUCK WITH THE BIG WHITE ELEPHANT RIGHT THERE, WE CAN, IT CAN BE A, A REPURPOSED BUILDING THAT YOU COULD TURN INTO MAYBE A FACTORY OR A WAREHOUSE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT VERY EASILY.

SURE.

YOU KNOW, AND, UH, YEAH.

ONE BENEFIT TO THE C P I IF YOU LOOK AT IT THIS WAY IS THAT IT GIVES THE BOARD AN OPPORTUNITY TO IDENTIFY THE SPECIFIC PARCEL IN AN INDUSTRIAL AREA AND SAY, IS THIS THE RIGHT FIT FOR WHERE IT IS AND FOR WHAT SIZE OF BUILDING AND WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE LAND USE IS.

IT GIVES YOU THAT OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE IT A THUMBS UP OR A THUMBS DOWN.

IF IT'S BY RIGHT THEN THEY JUST MEET ALL THOSE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SITE PLAN.

THIS IS IF, IF IT'S ALREADY EXISTING INDUSTRIAL AND, UM, THE SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS.

SO IT IS AN ADDITIONAL LAYER OF REGULATIONS MORE SPECIFIC TO THE SITE, AND IT DOES GIVE THE BOARD THAT OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THEIR SAY AND THE PUBLIC, THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THEIR SAY SO.

AND YOUR CONDITIONALLY PERMITTING.

UM, THAT IS REALLY THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOUR BY RIGHT.

WELL, THANK YOU SIR.

YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION.

MRS. OATS.

MR. WENLING, HOW MUCH, UM, CURRENTLY INDUSTRIAL LAND DO WE HAVE? WARREN COUNTY? YOU KNOW, THAT'S A REAL GOOD QUESTION.

I WISH MR. PETTY WAS HERE.

UH, BUT IN ANY CASE, UH, WE, WE, WE'VE

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GOT ZONED IN ALREADY.

IT IS PRIMARILY IN THE CORRIDOR.

EVERYTHING IS IN THE CORRIDOR.

AND ANYTHING WEST OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS HAS THE POTENTIAL TO EITHER BE INDUSTRIAL OR EXISTING INDUSTRIAL OR COMMERCIAL.

UM, THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, UH, IDENTIFIES AREAS NORTH OF BLUE RIDGE SHADOWS TO BE INDUSTRIAL.

UM, WE DON'T GET A LOT OF INQUIRIES FOR LAND OVER THAT WAY BECAUSE OF HAVING TO BRIDGE OVER CROOKED RUN AND THE STEEP SLOPE ISSUES THAT YOU HAVE ON THAT SIDE.

THERE ARE SOME AREAS THAT ARE CURRENTLY COMMERCIAL ZONE COMMERCIAL AND THAT MAY ACTUALLY BE THE BEST USE OF THOSE LANDS DUE TO THE SIZE OF THE LANDS AND THE FACT THAT YOU DO HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO, UH, ROUTE 3 45 22.

BUT WHAT YOU SEE IN THE, IN WARREN COUNTY IS PRIMARILY THAT AREA WITHIN THE CORRIDOR TO THE, BETWEEN THE EAST OF WINCHESTER ROAD AND THE RAILROAD.

UM, AND A LOT OF IT IS ALREADY DEVELOPED, YOU KNOW, AND WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING THIS EVENING IS A TEXT AMENDMENT THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR A POTENTIAL DATA CENTER USE IN AN INDUSTRIAL AREA.

EITHER IT'S PROPOSED BY RIGHT ON THIS PARTICULAR DOCUMENT OR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT DEPENDING ON, SO WE ARE JUST SAYING WE WILL CONSIDER THE USE MM-HMM.

SOMEWHERE.

THAT IS ZONED INDUSTRIAL.

IF IT'S EVER ZONED INDUSTRIAL BECAUSE THERE'S LAND THAT RIGHT.

AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT DESIGNATION CURRENTLY.

WE DON'T HAVE LIGHT.

YOU DO NOT HAVE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

SO ANY THAT IT WOULD BE A MATTER OF, UH, WHATEVER APP, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT WANTED TO DO, STAFF WOULD REVIEW THAT AND SEE WHERE IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, BEST FIT AS A ZONING DISTRICT.

UH, IN ALL LIKELIHOOD, WE PROBABLY WOULD LOOK AT THIS AS BEING INDUSTRIAL FOR ALL INTENSIVE PERSONS.

SO, UM, BECAUSE I DON'T CONSIDER DATA CENTERS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL BECAUSE OF THE IMPACT THAT THEY HAVE ON THE ENVIRONMENT AND ON THE POWER GRID AND ON THE WATER.

SO TO ME IT DOESN'T EVEN FALL INTO THE LIGHT.

INDUSTRIAL WOULD GO MORE IN THE DEFINITION OF INDUSTRIAL BECAUSE OF THE IMPACTS THAT IT HAS.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE STANDARD IS IN THE PLANNING WORLD, BUT THAT'S THE LOGIC IN DOLORES'S BRAIN.

YEAH, SURE.

AND THAT'S THE UNIQUENESS OF THE DATA CENTERS IS IF THEY ARE SOMETHING THAT NEEDS THAT ACCESS TO THE PRIMARY POWER LINES.

NEEDS ACCESS TO HIGH VOLUMES OF WATER.

WHATEVER THE CASE MIGHT BE I'S INDUSTRIAL AND TECHNOLOGY MAY BE CHANGING THAT A LITTLE BIT, BUT YOU KNOW, IT HAS TO BE IN THAT RIGHT PLACE.

SO, UM, THAT AGAIN BY C P GIVES YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, DOES THIS YOU AS THE BOARD AND DOES THIS FIT IN THE RIGHT PLACE? UM, AND IF IT DOES, THEN THERE'S THE ADDITIONAL SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS AND THE REVIEW OF THE SITE PLAN AND, AND, AND IF IT, IF IT IS GOING THROUGH AND THERE'S THE PROPERTY IS NOT INDUSTRIAL, THEN A COMPLAN AMENDMENT WOULD BE REQUIRED AND, AND YOU WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THAT AND REVIEW THE COMP PLAN IN REGARDS TO AN APPLICATION LIKE THAT.

SO, UM, CURRENTLY, MR. WENLING YEAH.

I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY PROPERTY IN WARREN COUNTY MM-HMM.

THAT IS ZONED INDUSTRIAL THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED FOR A USE LIKE THIS.

IS THAT CORRECT THERE? THE ED DOES HAVE A COUPLE OF LOTS OFF BALL DRIVE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THEY, THEY WOULD BE SERVED BY PUBLIC SEWER AND WATER.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE THAT CLOSE PROXIMITY ACCESS TO THE POWER, THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO, UM, AND THIS IS IN, UH, STEVEN'S INDUSTRIAL PARK.

UM, THERE'S NOT REALLY MUCH LEFT IN THE KELLY INDUSTRIAL PARK.

THERE IS, UH, THE CEDARVILLE PROPERTY, WHICH IS COMMERCIAL, UM, WHICH WOULD NEED A REZONING AND A COMP.

IT'S NOT CURRENTLY ZONED IN THE RIGHT, NOT CURRENTLY THEN.

SO, CORRECT.

UM, YEAH, SO, YOU KNOW, FOR ALL INTENSIVE PURPOSES, UM, THERE IS LAND, IS IT THE PERFECT LAND FOR THIS TYPE OF USE THAT WOULD BE UP TO WHOEVER PURCHASED IT OR, YOU KNOW, LOOKED AT IT AND UP TO THE BOARD THEN IF IT WAS BY C U P BY RIGHT.

IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT QUITE MAYBE WHAT YOU WOULD WANNA HAVE, UH, AS FAR AS, UH, PUBLIC HEARINGS AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL, UH, CONDITIONS

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ON THAT.

SO, AND IF WE WERE TO DO THIS BY RIGHT.

SOMEONE COULD BUY A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND NOT DISCLOSE NECESSARILY THEY WANT IT FOR A DATA CENTER, BUT THEN IFS OWN THEY'VE BOUGHT IT, THEY NOW HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO IT.

ONLY IF IT'S OWN.

AND WE WOULD LOOK AT THE INDUSTRIAL USES AND SAY, WHAT ARE YOU, WHAT ARE YOU WANTING TO DO? I MEAN, THAT'S WHERE KIND OF STAFF COMES IN AND WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, VET YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO AND, AND GIVE THEM AN IDEA.

SO, SO MR. DAILY, SO IT BECOMES A TWO STEP PROCESS, MA'AM, IF THE PROPERTY IS ZONED INDUSTRIAL MM-HMM.

, SOMEBODY COULD BUY THE PROPERTY AND THEN SUBMIT A SITE PLAN TO CONSTRUCT A DATA CENTER.

IF THIS WERE APPROVED, IF IT'S, IF IT IS NOT ZONED INDUSTRIAL, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BOARD TO REZONE THE PROPERTY TO A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, IF YOU CHOOSE TO CREATE THAT OR B INDUSTRIAL AND THEN PROCEED FROM THERE.

AND THAT ASSUMES YOU DON'T MAKE THIS A CONDITIONAL USE.

IF YOU OPT TO MAKE A DATA CENTER A CONDITIONAL USE, THEN THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED.

WHOMEVER BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, THEY WOULD HAVE TO SUBMIT A PROPOSAL TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BOARD AND SAYING, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO BUILD.

AND THEN THE CONDITIONS, SUCH AS WHAT MR. BUTLER WAS TALKING ABOUT WOULD COME INTO A FACT.

BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO COME TO THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION AND TO THE BOARD YES.

FOR APPROVALS, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT IS BY, RIGHT.

THAT'S CORRECT.

THEY WOULD NOT CORRECT.

THEY WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT, THAT'S CORRECT.

JUST BY RIGHT.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD REVIEW THE SITE PLAN, HAVE FINAL SAY ON THE SITE PLAN BY C P.

THEY DON'T, WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO SUBMIT THAT TO 'EM.

UM, IT'S, IT'S STAFF AND, AND AGENCY REVIEWING.

AND SO THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IN REGARD TO THE SITE PLAN.

SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU CAN ELIMINATE BY RIGHT.

COMPLETELY.

YOU CAN ELIMINATE BUYER.

I MEAN, FROM THE SENSE OF BUY.

IT LEAVES YOU OUT OF THE PICTURE AS THE BOARD IN SAYING WHETHER YOU WANT IT THERE OR NOT.

IF IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED INDUSTRIAL, WELL, I DON'T THINK OUR BOARD SHOULD BE OUT OF IT AT ALL.

I THINK IT SHOULD BE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT SO WE KNOW IT'S GOING IN OUR COUNTY.

AND THEN SO IN THAT CASE, BY C U P WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE, BECAUSE AGAIN, IF THAT LAND IS CURRENTLY ZONED INDUSTRIAL, THAT WOULD GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE IT A THUMBS UP, THUMBS DOWN, AND HEAR INPUT FROM THE, UH, PUBLIC.

I MEAN, BECAUSE I, TO TO BE TRUTHFUL, I WANT TO KNOW IF IT'S A DATA CENTER, I DON'T WANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH ENERGY THEY'RE GONNA PLAN ON USING MM-HMM.

HOW MUCH WATER THEY'RE PLANNING ON USING, HOW MUCH NOISE THEY'RE GONNA MAKE, WHAT'S THEIR PROJECTED REVENUE FOR THE COUNTY, WHAT, WHAT'S IN IT FOR US.

SURE.

I SEE A LOT OF BENEFIT.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

AND MAYBE SOMETHING NOT A HALF A MILLION SQUARE FEET, BUT I SEE BENEFIT TO, TO HAVING IT.

BUT I DON'T, I DON'T WANT US NOT TO BE ABLE TO GET THE MOST BANG FOR OUR BUCK MM-HMM.

AND OUR BUCK IS WE'RE GIVING UP LAND AND WE'RE GIVING UP RIGHTS, AND I DON'T WANT TO GIVE UP ANY RIGHTS.

I WANT US TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE GETTING MM-HMM.

AND THAT'S WHAT THE C P WOULD ALLOW YOU TO DO.

IF, IF IT WAS CURRENTLY ZONED INDUSTRIAL, WE WOULD, WE WOULD BRING IT FORWARD TO THE BOARD UNDER A C P IF, IF, IF, IF IT GOES THAT WAY, IF YOU CHOOSE TO DO THAT TONIGHT, CAN CAN WE MAKE IT ANY HARDER THAN WHAT IT IS? THE, THE PROCESS? UM, I MEAN, IT, IT, AS FAR AS HARDER, AS FAR AS, UH, I'M TRYING TO GET YOU, UH, IT, IT'S THE PROCESS.

IT'S GOING THROUGH PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS, AND THEN YOU HAVE BOTH THE PLANNING, COMMISSIONING AND THE, AND THE BOARD VETTING, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICATION.

MR. MAER, ARE YOU, ARE YOU BASICALLY SAYING THAT WE SET THE BAR SUCH THAT IN ORDER FOR THEM TO EVEN COME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THEY'VE GOTTA MEET CERTAIN THINGS BEFORE WE'LL EVEN CONSIDER IT PART OF THE APPLICATION IS THIS IS WHAT MY PLAN IS MM-HMM.

, AND YOU KNOW, WHAT'S, YOU KNOW WHAT, AND FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, WHAT'S GONNA BE GOING INTO THIS BUILDING THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE PUTTING IN, IT'S 500,000 SQUARE FEET BIG.

RIGHT NOW YOU DON'T RIGHT.

YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING.

DO YOU WE WANNA OPEN IT UP? YEAH,

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PLEASE.

HERE, AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS THIS AT THE END.

THIS IS SHIRAI.

HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP? I'M SURE WE HAVE.

MADAME CHAIR.

EXCUSE ME.

MADAM CHAIR, DID YOU OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? YES.

I APOLOGIZE, I MISSED IT.

NO, THAT'S FINE.

WANNA MAKE SURE I, I'VE GOT MY CHECK OFF SEAT OR I'D BE ASKING THE SAME QUESTION, .

SO AS QUICK IS NOW IN THE MEETING, MA'AM.

AN ACTUALLY, UH, MADAME CHAIR AT YOUR, UM, ALLOWANCE, WE NEED TO CONFIRM WHETHER MRS. COOK IS GOING TO BE PARTICIPATING IN THE MEETING OR SIMPLY LISTENING TO THE MEETING.

BECAUSE OUR POLICIES, IN ORDER FOR HER TO PARTICIPATE, SHE JUST HAS TO GIVE THE REASON WHY SHE IS PARTICIPATING ELECTRONICALLY AND NOT PHYSICALLY PRESENT.

AND IF MRS. COOK IS WILLING TO DO THAT, THEN I SEE NO PROBLEM WITH HER PARTICIPATING.

I AM TRYING TO PULL UP THE SOUND.

MRS. COOK, CAN YOU HEAR US? YOU'RE MUTED.

I'M SORRY.

UM, HOLD ON JUST A MOMENT.

UH, AND CAITLIN, COULD YOU REPEAT THAT AGAIN? UH, YES.

THE, OUR POLICIES REQUIRE ANY SUPERVISOR WHO'S PARTICIPATING ELECTRONICALLY JUST HAS TO GIVE, UM, THE, THE NATURE OF WHY THEY, THE NATURE OF WHY THEY ARE, UM, DOES IT, SORRY.

THE SUPERVISOR MUST IDENTIFY WITH SPECIFICITY THE NATURE OF THE PERSONAL MATTER, UM, OF WHY YOU'RE PARTICIPATING ELECTRONICALLY.

AND THAT HAS TO BE DONE BEFORE YOU CAN ACTUALLY PARTICIPATE.

WELL, I'LL JUST SIT AND, AND LISTEN.

WARREN AND I THINK THE VIEW OF MINI RESIDENTS HERE IN THE COUNTY, WARREN COUNTY SIMPLY CANNOT AFFORD TO BECOME ANOTHER NORTHERN VIRGINIA, WHICH, AND GET THIS HAS MORE, HAS THE LARGEST CONCENTRATION OF DATA CENTERS FOUND ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD, NOT JUST IN AMERICA.

MRS. SHIRAKI, WHO'S SIGNED UP FIRST, PLEASE? UH, YES, MA'AM.

JOHN LUNDBERG.

AND JUST A REMINDER NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.

UH, MY NAME IS JOHN LUNDBERG.

I LIVE AT 2 0 3 PEACHTREE COURT HERE IN FRONT ROYAL, UH, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

I WISH TO MAKE TWO POINTS THIS EVENING REGARDING DATA CENTERS IN FRONT ROYAL POINT NUMBER ONE, POSTPONE A VOTE, A VOTE ON CHANGING THE COUNTY CODE TO ACCOMMODATE DATA CENTERS UNTIL THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN THOROUGHLY BRIEFED AT A WELL PUBLICIZED PRESS CONFERENCE HELD BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND THE TOWN COUNCIL ON THE IMPACT OF DATA CENTERS ON WARREN COUNTY'S ONE WAY OF LIFE AND TWO FUTURE DEVELOPMENT PEOPLE IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA, ESPECIALLY IN LOUDON AND PRINCE WILLIAM COUNTIES, WHERE MORE THAN 180 OF THESE MONSTROSITIES HAVE BEEN BUILT IN THE PAST 15 YEARS.

SAY THESE BUILDINGS ARE BIG AND UGLY, NOISY, USE WAY TOO MUCH WATER AND ELECTRICITY RAISE UTILITY RATES CAUSE ELECTRON ELECTRICAL, BUT BROWNOUTS EMPLOY VERY FEW PEOPLE ONCE THE BUILDING HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED AND MAY BECOME A DINOSAUR IN THE NEAR FUTURE BECAUSE AS TECHNOLOGY IMPROVES ON THAT LAST POINT, I'D LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION TO THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THIS EVENING.

WHAT IS WARREN COUNTY GOING TO, WHAT IS THE WARREN COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS GOING TO DO IN 10 YEARS WHEN THOSE HUNDRED YARD LONG THREE AND FOUR STORY HIGH BUILDINGS BUILT NORTH OF HAPPY CREEK ROAD OR MAYBE DOWN MARY SHADYS LANE LIE EMPTY BECAUSE TECHNOLOGY HAS MADE THEM DINOSAURS? OR YOU GONNA TEAR THE BUILDINGS DOWN? WHO'S GONNA PAY THE COST? THE SECOND POINT THAT I WISH TO MAKE THIS EVENING IS THIS, IF YOU DECIDE IN THE NEAR FUTURE TO AMEND THE COUNTY CODE, AND AGAIN, I'M RECOMMENDING YOU POT AND YOU DON'T WAKE A BOAT TONIGHT, IF YOU DECIDE TO AMEND THE COUNTY CODE TO ALLOW DATA CENTERS TO COME TO, UH, WARREN COUNTY, DON'T EVER PERMIT A SINGLE DATA CENTER TO BE BUILT HERE WITH A BUY RIGHT PERMIT, WHICH ESSENTIALLY ALLOWS DATA CENTER PROPERTY OWNERS TO BUILD WHATEVER THEY WANT ON THEIR PROPERTY, INSIST THAT DATA CENTERS BE BUILT WITH EITHER A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

IN MY VIEW,

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IN FACT, IN THE UNITED STATES ALONE, NORTHERN VIRGINIA HAS MORE DATA CENTERS THAN THE SECOND, THIRD, FOURTH, AND FIFTH US DATA SET OF MARKETS COMBINED.

THAT IS NORTHERN VIRGINIA HAS MORE DATA CENTERS THAN DALLAS, SILICON VALLEY, CHICAGO, AND PHOENIX COMBINED TOGETHER.

HOW DID THIS HAPPEN? THE ANSWER IN MY VIEW, AND THE VIEW OF MANY PEOPLE HERE IN WARREN COUNTY IS THAT NORTHERN VIRGINIA COMMUNITIES HAD COMMUNITY LEADERS 15 YEARS AGO WHO WERE ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL AND THEY'VE BEEN SLEEPING EVER SINCE.

THEY SIMPLY HAVE SOLD THEIR SOULS FOR DATA CENTER REVENUES.

DID YOU KNOW THAT 30% OF LOUDON COUNTY WITH ITS 400,000 RESIDENTS, 30% OF ITS ANNUAL BUDGET TODAY COMES FROM DATA CENTER TAXES, BUT THE WAY OF LIFE IN LOW INCOME AND MIDDLE CLASS NEIGHBORHOODS IN LOUDON COUNTY HAVE BEEN FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGED PROBABLY FOREVER.

IN CLOSING, I'D LIKE TO LEAVE YOU WITH FOUR THOUGHTS.

ONE, WARREN COUNTY CAN DO BETTER THAN NORTHERN VIRGINIA.

TWO, WARREN COUNTY MUST DO BETTER THAN NORTHERN VIRGINIA.

THREE, PLEASE DELAY A DECISION ON CHANGING THE COUNTY CODE COUNTY CODE UNTIL WE KNOW THE IMPACT OF DATA CENTERS ON OUR WAY OF LIFE.

AND I KNOW THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS IN THE PROCESS OF BEING UPDATED UNTIL THAT IS COMPLETED.

AND THEN INSTEAD OF ASKING FOR INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY, YOU PEOPLE ALONG WITH THE TOWN COUNCIL WILL STAND UP AND SAY, WE HAVE LOOKED AT THIS AT LENGTH.

WE'RE ROUTE FOR PREPARED TO PRESENT YOU WITH A PLAN.

AND ONCE WE UNDERSTAND THAT PLAN, WE CAN ASK QUESTIONS FROM THE FLOOR, WHICH SELDOM HAPPENS, AND THESE KINDS OF THINGS, THEN PERHAPS WE CAN THOROUGHLY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LISTENING.

NEXT, VINCENT MAKA, THE OF BOARD SUPERVISORS.

I STAND WITH SOME OF THE CONCERN.

MY NAME IS VINCENT MOKA.

AND ONE WOULD ALSO EXPECT A REGULAR POWER OUTAGES BECAUSE OF THE DATA, JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE BEING RUN BY, UM, BY THE POWER.

AND I LIVE AT ONE 40 FONTANA ROAD IN THE FORK DISTRICT.

I STAND WITH SOME OF THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF WARREN COUNTY IN OPPOSING THE CONSTRUCTION OF DATA CENTERS, OR AT LEAST AS, UH, MR. LOBERG SAID, DELAY A VOTE ON, ON AMENDING TO THE CODE.

HAVING THEM HAVING ANY DATA CENTERS BUILT HERE WOULD BE ECONOMICALLY INEFFECTIVE.

IT WOULD ALTER THE MORE RURAL AND PRISTINE AREAS OF OUR COUNTY, AND AS WELL AS REDUCED POWER AND WATER RESOURCES.

ON MY FIRST POINT, DATA CENTERS WILL PROVIDE LESS OF AN ECONOMIC INCENTIVE TO THE LOCAL COMMUNITY.

NOW, SOME MAY ARGUE THAT DATA CENTERS COULD INCREASE THE JOBS AND ADD MORE REVENUE TO MUNICIPALITIES AS WELL AS TO THE COUNTY GOVERNMENTS, BUT THAT MAY NOT BE THE CASE.

ESTIMATES FROM BY THE NORTHERN VIRGINIA TECHNOLOGY COUNCIL, DATA'S GEN CENTERS TEAM TO GENERATE MORE CONSTRUCTION JOBS THAN A PERMANENT JOBS.

IN FACT, ONE ANOTHER ONE EXAMPLE IS THE CASE OF BOYTON IN VIRGINIA, AND THEN THAT WAS ALSO REPORTED IN THE NEW YORK TIMES AS WELL.

ONLY 25 RESIDENTS GOT JOBS WITH THE DATA CENTERS.

AND I'M LOOKING AT THIS TO TAKE SIX OF WARREN COUNTY, THE WARREN WARREN COUNTY FROM THE WARREN COUNTY GOVERNMENT.

IT HAS AN UNEMPLOYMENT RATE OF 2.9%, WHICH IS LESS THAN THE NATIONAL UNEMPLOYMENT RATE, AND ABOUT 19,235 COMMUNITY JOBS AND THE, AND THE GREAT ECONOMIC BENEFITS THAT THE TOURIST IN INDUSTRY BRINGS TO THE COUNTY.

WITH THAT, WARREN COUNTY IS ALREADY IN A GOOD ECONOMIC POSITION.

NOW, HAVING SAID THEN I AM, I AM ALSO KIND OF OPPOSED TO DA DATA CENTERS WITH THE POWER OUTAGES THAT HAVE BEEN GOING ON AS WELL AS THE STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE THAT WATER IS, IS DRAINING WATER RESOURCES BEING DRAINED FOR BY THESE DATA CENTERS.

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AND, AND IT GETS TRAINED A LOT BROWN OUT BROWN OUTS AND POWER OUTAGES WILL GO ON A REGULAR BASIS.

I'VE PERSONALLY WITNESSED SEVERAL TIMES THE POWER GOING OFF, EVEN, UH, IN THE OFFICE WHERE I WORK, THERE WERE REGULAR POWER OUTAGES GOING ON.

IN FACT, ONE ON COLUMBUS STATE THAT WAS, THAT OCCURRED THAT WOULD REOC OCCUR ON A REGULAR BASIS ONCE THESE DATA CENTERS COULD, COULD BE CONSTRUCTED.

AND, UM, PEOPLE WILL JUST HAVE TO LI BE LI LIVING WITH THIS CONDITION.

IN FACT, AND FURTHER ON WATER RESOURCES, IT, IT'S ALREADY CAUSING A PROBLEM WITH A LOT OF THE DATA CENTERS IN THE SOUTHWEST, INCLUDING ARIZONA, WHICH ARE SUFFERING FROM DROUGHTS.

AND, UH, THAT COULD COME HERE.

WHERE, WHERE WOULD THE WATER BE DRAINED TO COOL THE DATA CENTERS FROM THE RIVER? I DON'T KNOW.

JU AND JUST LIKE, UH, OTHER THIS AND, AND, UM, AND WITH THAT, FOR THE SAKE OF ALL THE HARD WORKING PEOPLE OF WARREN COUNTY, I HEARD THE BROAD TO NOT PUSH AHEAD WITH DATA CENTERS OR, OR AT LEAST DELAY A VOTE ON IT.

IN FACT, WARREN COUNTY WILL BE JOINING OTHER COUNTIES SUCH AS CU PAPER COUNTY, WHICH HAS VOTED AGAINST REZONING THE LAND FOR AN AMAZON CENT, AMAZON CENTER THERE.

SO, YEAH, LET'S KEEP PRESER, LET'S KEEP AND PRESERVE THE PASTORAL LANDSCAPE OF WARREN COUNTY FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS AND VO KNOWN IN ESTABLISHMENT OF DATA CENTERS.

TO CONTRIBUTE TO ACHIEVING AN INTERNET THAT LEAVES A SMALLER CLIMATE FOOTPRINT.

NEXT, MRS. SHIRAKI, JANE ELLIOT.

THANK YOU SUPERVISORS.

UH, JANE ELLIOTT.

I LIVE ON WOODWARD COURT IN WARREN COUNTY.

UH, TO ADD TO THE TWO PREVIOUS SPEAKERS REMARKS IN, IN RESEARCHING THESE DATA CENTERS, WHICH I REALLY DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT UNTIL THIS TOPIC CAME UP, IS ANYBODY HERE AWARE THAT THE TYPICAL WATER USAGE A DAY, A TYPICAL WATER USAGE, TYPICAL DATA CENTER, THEY'RE USING ONE AND ONE HALF MILLION GALLONS OF WATER A DAY WITH REGARD TO THE POWER USAGE.

LOTS OF GROUND OUTS, LOTS OF POWER OUTAGES, AND RESIDENTS THAT ARE CLOSE BY COMPLAIN THAT THEY'RE VERY EXPENSIVE APPLIANCES TOTALLY SHORT OUT AND ARE USELESS AS A RESULT.

SO THESE ARE THINGS, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF ANYBODY'S RESEARCHED THIS, BUT THIS IS GONNA HAVE A SEVERE IMPACT.

AND THE NOISE LEVEL IS A VERY GREAT ONE FROM EVERYTHING THAT I HAVE READ.

I, UM, I JUST SENT YOU ALL AN EMAIL THAT I'M REQUESTING AS PART OF THE RECORD FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING.

NOISY WATER GUZZLING ELECTRICITY DRAINING DATA CENTERS ARE ALREADY OBSOLETE.

SO AN ARTICLE THAT JUST CAME IN TODAY, UM, DATED ON THE 20TH AND ALSO ON THE 25TH FROM A TECHNOLOGY, UH, GEARED NEWSLETTER, I'M JUST GONNA QUOTE ONE PARAGRAPH.

THEY HAVE DEVELOPED SOMETHING AND IT'S NOW THE SPEED IS, IS BEYOND TERABYTES.

IT'S NOW PETABYTES AND IT'S MILLIONS OF MILLIONS OF SPEED AMPLIFICATIONS OF THESE BITES.

QUOTE.

IN OTHER WORDS, OUR SOLUTION PROVIDES A POTENTIAL FOR REPLACING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF THE LASERS LOCATED AT INTERNET HUBS AND DATA CENTERS, ALL OF WHICH GUZZLE POWER AND GENERATE HEAT.

LORD KNOWS WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE HEAT.

IN JULY AND AUGUST IN THE SHENANDOAH VALLEY, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY

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SO I SENT EACH ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS HERE, UM, A THIS EMAIL WITH TWO LINKS TO IT.

SO IN SOME PLEASE VOTE NO, DO NOT ALLOW ANY OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THESE ENORMOUS MONSTROSITIES COMING INTO THE BEAUTIFUL SHENANDOAH VALLEY.

NEXT, MRS. SHIRAKI, MARY RYAN.

HELLO, MARY RYAN.

SORRY, MY VOICE IS PRETTY CROAKY, BUT 3 9 7 3 ROCKLAND ROAD, FRONT ROYAL.

UM, I GUESS I'M SORT OF ON THE GOING TO SAY THE SAME THINGS THEY DID.

I THINK OUR COUNTY'S VERY BEAUTIFUL.

UM, TO ME IT'S ONE OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL PLACES, BUT I'M BIASED AND I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT DATA CENTERS.

I'M LEARNING A LOT NOW.

UM, I HAVE READ THAT THEY ARE BIG BOXES.

UH, THEY USE A LOT OF ELECTRICITY AND WATER AND THEY HIRE FEW PEOPLE.

SO I THINK DATA, UM, CENTERS SHOULD NOT BE PROVIDED BY RIGHT PRIVILEGE.

I THINK EACH DATA CENTER SHOULD HAVE TO APPLY FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND ALLOW THE COUNTY TO DECIDE IF IT IS BEING GIVEN AN APPROPRIATE REIMBURSEMENT FOR THE NEGATIVE IMPACTS IT WILL HAVE ON THE COUNTY.

THEY BRING IN TAX MONEY, BUT THEY NEED TO MAKE, WE NEED, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THE AMOUNT IS WORTH THE NEGATIVES THEY BRING, INCLUDING MARRING, OUR BEAUTIFUL.

WELL, THANK YOU .

SO THE NEGATIVES.

CONSTANTINA WIRE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO LOOK LIKE WE GOT A CONCENTRATION CAMP GOING ON IN THE NORTH CORRIDOR.

THEY MAR OUR, OUR NATURAL BEAUTY.

UM, THEY USE OUR NATURAL AND MANMADE RESOURCES.

THEY POLLUTE WITH LIGHT AND WATER RUNOFF, AND THEY LIMIT THE FUTURE USE OF THE PROPERTIES.

I THINK IF THEY'RE GIVEN, UM, IF THEY DO COME INTO THE COUNTY, THEY SHOULD BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR SEVEN THINGS.

SORRY, IT'S SO MANY, UM, PROVIDING HALF OF THEIR ELECTRICITY.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT COULD BE HALF, BUT HALF OF THEIR ELECTRICITY USING SOLAR PANELS AND THE ROOFS AND THE PARKING LOTS.

UM, REDUCING THEIR BUILDING ENERGY BY LOWERING, PUTTING IT INTO THE GROUND, THE GROUND IS A COOL PLACE.

THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO COOL THEIR BUILDING AS MUCH, PLUS IT WOULD GET, IT WOULDN'T IMPACT OUR VISUAL.

UM, IT WOULDN'T IMPACT US VISUALLY.

UM, THEY, THEY WOULD NEED TO CREATE A WATER RECYCLING SYSTEM SO THAT THEY DO NOT USE SO MUCH WATER.

UM, THEY WOULD NEED TO INSTALL LOW LEVEL LIGHTS SO THAT THERE'S NO, NOT SO MUCH LIGHT POLLUTION.

I LIVE IN ROCKLAND AND ON A CLOUDY NIGHT, IT LOOKS LIKE WINCHESTER, I MEAN, IT'S JUST BRIGHT, UM, THAT HAS BAD IN, UH, EFFECTS ON BIRDS AND INSECTS AND ON MY STAR GAZING.

SO YOU CAN GET LOWER LIGHTS, YOU CAN GET ON SO IT'S NOT SO POLLUTING.

I SEE.

THEY SHOULD PAY A HEFTY TAX.

UM, TAXES ARE IMPORTANT, BUT SO IS BEAUTY, AND THAT'S WHAT BRINGS IN TOURISM IN A SENSE OF WELLBEING.

UM, THEY SHOULD ALSO LANDSCAPE HEAVILY SO THAT THEY'RE NOT VISUAL, SO THEY'RE NOT VISIBLE FROM THE ROAD.

UM, 5 22 NORTH, IT STARTED OUT THE BIG BOXES WERE SORT OF, UM, LOWER THAN 5 22, AND THEY WERE WELL LANDSCAPED.

THEY HAD BURNS.

YOU COULDN'T REALLY SEE THEM.

WE HAD THE TRUCKS, BUT WE DIDN'T SEE, THEY DIDN'T SEPARATE US FROM THE MOUNTAINS.

WITH, WITH THE NEW LOGISTICS BUILDING AND THE NEW PRISON, THEY'RE RIGHT UP FRONT.

UM, AND THEY'RE NOT LANDSCAPE.

I SEE THE SEVENTH, THE LAST ONE.

WE NEED TO PROTECT AIR STREAMS AND OUR WATER, UM, LIKE BEHIND, UH, TARGET CROOKER RUN IS JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S COME RIGHT UP TO THE STREAM.

SO WE NEED TO BE PROTECTING OUR WATER.

SO ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT SHOULD, UM, ADHERE TO THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF CONSERVATION RECREATION GUIDELINES.

SO, UM, AND I PERSONALLY THINK SOME OF THESE ITEMS I'VE LISTED SHOULDN'T JUST BE WITH DATA CENTERS, IT SHOULD BE WITH INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS.

IT SHOULD BE A ZONE FOR A ZONING ISSUE

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FOR THE COUNTY LAST.

UM, SO WE NEED TO KEEP OUR COUNTY BEAUTIFUL.

UM, WE NEED TO HELP OUR STRUGGLING WILDLIFE, AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WHEN DEVELOPMENT COMES THAT WE ARE WELL COMPENSATED.

MY NAME IS DARRELL MERCHANT.

I LIVE AT ONE 10 CUR AVENUE HERE IN FRONT ROYAL.

UM, I WOULD ASK THIS EVENING THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ALLOW DATA CENTERS AS A CONDITIONAL USE ONLY, UM, NOT AS BY RIGHT.

UH, WHY YOU MAY ASK.

UH, I'M GLAD YOU ASKED THAT QUESTION.

UM, YOU KNOW, AT FROM ALL THE COMMENTS, UH, LISTENING TO EVERYBODY HERE THIS EVENING, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A NEW TECHNOLOGY.

YOU'RE A FAIRLY NEW, UM, THERE ARE MANY QUESTIONS, A FEW ANSWERS TONIGHT.

UH, EVERYBODY HAS SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT WITH THE DATA CENTER AND THE CONDITIONAL USE AS A PLANNING TOOL GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO NOT ONLY GET ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS, BUT TO GET THEM IN WRITING.

AND, UH, AS WE KNOW, UM, A TERM THAT WE NOW USE EVER SINCE THE ROYAL PHOENIX FIASCO OF YEARS AGO IS A TERM CALLED DUE DILIGENCE .

AND THAT IS WHAT A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN THIS PARTICULAR USE.

NOW, THE DATA CENTERS WILL BE LOCATED IN AN INDUSTRIAL LAND, UH, EITHER I TWO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, HEAVY INDUSTRIAL, WHICH IS AN APPROPRIATE LOCATION FOR THEM, BUT WE STILL MUST DETERMINE IF THAT USE IS APPROPRIATE FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

UH, AS SPOKEN TONIGHT, DATA CENTERS TEND TO BE VERY LARGE BUILDINGS.

UH, MERELY LIMITING THE BUILDING TO 50,000 SQUARE FEET DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T HAVE 20 50,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDINGS LINED UP IN A ROW.

UH, MANY SPEAKERS TONIGHT HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE USAGE OF WATER AND SEWER.

UM, THEY, THEY APPARENTLY, UH, HAVE QUITE A DEMAND ON LOCAL UTILITIES.

NOW, I KNOW THE COUNTY IS NOT IN THE WATER AND SEWER BUSINESS, BUT PUTTING A DATA CENTER IN OUR COMMERCIAL LAND THAT REQUIRES, UH, NEW HIGH TENSION, HIGH TRANSMISSION LINES GOING TO THAT SITE WILL BE GOING THROUGH SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY.

SO MERELY LOCATING IN THE INDUSTRIAL ZONE DOES NOT, OR IS NOT THE END OF THAT USE.

UH, CREATING NEW TRANSMISSION LINES, NEW WATER LINES, UH, BOTH, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, GRAY WATER AND, AND POTABLE WATER, UH, CAN BE A PROBLEM.

SMART PLANNING DICTATES BALANCING OUR LOCAL RESOURCES, WHETHER WE CONTROL THOSE RESOURCES OR NOT.

THE SHANDO RIVER IS A FINITE SOURCE AS WELL AS OUR ELECTRICAL USE.

UM, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE ALLOW DATA CENTERS AS A BY RIGHT USE, I REALLY THINK WE HAVE TO FIRST DETERMINE IF THEY'RE APPROPRIATE FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

UH, AS A, AS A PLANNER, UH, I, I THINK THEY COULD BE A, BE A GOOD BUSINESS PARTNER, UH, IN OUR PORTFOLIO OF, OF BUSINESSES AND COMMERCIAL ENTITIES THAT WE HAVE IN THE COUNTY.

UH, OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE NOT, UH, A HIGH EMPLOYMENT CENTER, SO, SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE CREATING A LOT OF EMPLOYMENT OUT OF IT, BUT THEY WILL BE USING A, APPARENTLY A LOT OF WATER AND SEWER.

AND THAT'S WHAT THE C U P GIVES US THE ABILITY TO EVALUATE AS TO THE IMPACT IN OUR COMMUNITY.

YOU KNOW, THE TOWN WE CURRENTLY HAVE THE WATER AND SEWER SERVICE AREA IN THE NORTH CORRIDOR, AND WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS BECAUSE THAT SERVICE AREA WAS MATCHED TO THE USE AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME.

AND TO HAVE A LARGE USE FOR EITHER ELECTRIC OR WATER COME IN, UM, MAY THROW OUT THE, THE, THE ABILITY OF THE TOWN TO SUPPLY WATER AND SEWER OUT IN THE NORTH CORRIDOR FOR OTHER USES THAT WE WANT.

SO, UM, THE, AGAIN, THE C U P ACCOMPLISHES THAT I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT GOES ON OUTSIDE OF A DATA CENTER.

YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT THE BUILDING, IT'S UGLY.

WE ALL KNOW THAT, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S A FACT OF LIFE.

BUT THESE DATA CENTERS REQUIRE, UH, 24 7, UH, OR THE CAPABILITY TO BE OPEN 24 7.

SO THEY HAVE REDUNDANT, UH, UH, POWER SOURCES ON SITE, WHICH IS IN THE FORM OF GENERATORS, WHICH REQUIRE GAS TANKS.

AND THEY ALSO ARE A HIGH SECURITY AREA, WHICH REQUIRES FENCING,

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SO AGAIN, THESE THINGS TO THE C U P CAN COME, UH, BACK TO US TO HAUNT US AT A FUTURE TIME.

AND, AND THE C CERTAINLY GIVES US THAT ABILITY TO EVALUATE IF THAT'S A GOOD FIT.

AS A TECHNOLOGY IS CHANGING, APPARENTLY, UH, SMALLER DATA CENTERS MAY BE THE NORM IN THE FUTURE.

AND I, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD LOOK AT ON A BUY RIGHT BASIS IN THE FUTURE FOR A SMALL DATA CENTER TO MAYBE OCCUPY A BUILDING THAT IS CURRENTLY, UM, UH, VACANT IN THE NORTH CORRIDOR OR IN EVEN IN THE TOWN.

UH, WHATEVER WE LOOK AT ON THAT.

UM, AND IF THE, THE COUNTY IS SERIOUS ABOUT ATTRACTING DATA CENTERS AND PROTECTING THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN TOWN AND THE COUNTY, LET'S WORK WITH THE DATA CENTERS AND THE C P GIVES US THAT ABILITY TO WORK WITH THEM, NOT WORK FOR THEM A BY RIGHT SITUATION.

OFTENTIMES, UH, THEY COME IN, WE'VE DICTATED THIS AS A BY RIGHT USE IN THIS AREA, AND THEY DO THAT.

YOU WILL REVIEW THE SITE PLAN, BUT YOU CANNOT DENY THE APPLICATION IF IT MEETS THE SITE PLAN REQUIREMENTS.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT USE, NOT THE, THE PHYSICAL REQUIREMENTS ON THE LOT.

UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO, TO CLOSE BY SAYING THAT, UH, JUST ALLOWING DATA CENTERS WITH BY RIGHT, WITHOUT DETERMINING IF IT'S A GOOD FIT IS NOT GOOD PLANNING.

AND I THINK, UM, WE'VE DEMONSTRATED HERE RECENTLY, THE TOWN AND COUNTY ARE BOTH WORKING ON THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLANS.

AND I THINK THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO EVALUATE THIS PARTICULAR USE AS WELL AS OTHER USES AND TO SEE IF THE C U P IS APPROPRIATE, WHICH I THINK IT IS FOR THIS.

UH, THE LAST THING IS DON'T BE FOOLED BY PROMISES OF GOLD.

UH, YOU KNOW, THEY TALK ABOUT THE GREAT TAXING ABILITY OF DATA CENTERS AND HOW MUCH THEY BRING INTO THE COMMUNITIES.

AND IN MY RESEARCH TO DATE, I HAVE NOT FOUND A SINGLE COMMUNITY THAT HAS DATA CENTERS THAT HAVE LOWERED THEIR TAXES BECAUSE OF THIS GREAT WINDFALL OF MONEY COMING IN.

SO, UH, PLEASE DON'T BASE YOUR DECISIONS SOLELY ON, ON THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT POTENTIAL COULD BE BROUGHT IN, BUT INSTEAD, USE A C U P PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT BENEFITS ALL THE CITIZENS OF OUR COMMUNITY.

NEXT, MRS. SHIRAKI, MARLENE LINDBERG.

HI, MARLENE LINDBERG.

I LIVE IN FRONT ROYAL.

I RESPECTFULLY WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING REGARDING THE POSSIBLE APPROVAL OF DATA CENTERS IN OUR COUNTY.

NOW, A LOT OF THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN MENTIONED, BUT I HAVE A FEW OTHER POINTS.

PLEASE SERIOUSLY CONSIDER THE LONG TERM CONSEQUENCES OF THESE STRUCTURES.

THEY WILL PROBABLY BE ABSOLUTE IN 10 TO 15 YEARS.

IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY MIGHT BE ABSOLUTE EVEN SOONER THAN THAT.

ONCE BUILT, THEY CREATE RELATIVELY FEW JOBS.

I WOULD HOPE THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD BRING IN ORGANIZATIONS OR INDUSTRY THAT WOULD CREATE JOBS, NOT JUST THESE FEW.

THEY WILL USE ENORMOUS AMOUNTS OF ELECTRICITY AND WATER.

CURRENTLY, WE HAVE RELATIVELY LOW RATES FOR UTILITIES.

HOW WILL IT AFFECT US IN THE LONG TERM? THEY ARE VERY NOISY.

NO ONE WOULD WANT TO BUILD ANYWHERE NEAR THEM ALREADY.

WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE CAUSING BROWNOUTS IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA.

WOULD THERE BE PLANS TO CREATE A FUND TO REIMBURSE CITIZENS WHOSE EXPENSIVE NEW APPLIANCES WILL BE DAMAGED BY THE BROWNOUTS? I HAVE A FRIEND WHOSE RELATIVELY NEW DISHWASHER AND HOOD OVER THE STOVE WAS DAMAGED BY A POWER SURGE AND HAVE TO BE REPLACED.

I UNDERSTAND THERE WOULD BE GENEROUS TAX BENEFITS FOR THE COUNTY, BUT AT WHAT COSTS? WE WERE ALSO TOLD DURING A CANDIDATE'S FORUM FOR TOWN COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT THERE MIGHT BE A REQUIREMENT TO SIGN NONDISCLOSURE STATEMENTS.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR TRANSPARENT GOVERNMENT? SOMETHING ELSE TO CHECK INTO.

AT A MINIMUM, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS VISIT LOUDON COUNTY AND INFORM THEMSELVES OF THE PROS AND CONS OF THE DATA CENTERS.

CONSIDERING THE EXPERIENCE OF LOUDON COUNTY, WOULD THEY CHOOSE THE SAME PATH? AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATIONS.

THE AVERAGE DATA CENTER OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET USES THREE TO 5 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER PER DAY.

NEXT, MRS. SHIRAKI,

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BRUCE RAPAPORT.

HELLO, I'M BRUCE RAPPAPORT, 300 WEST MAIN STREET FRONT ROYAL.

JUST TO START IT OFF, UH, TALKING ABOUT EMPLOYMENT, UH, WITH DATA CENTERS, UH, WE RECENTLY IN NEWS CAME OUT AMAZON LAID OFF 7,500 EMPLOYEES.

UH, IF, UH, DATA CENTERS ARE TRULY INTERESTED IN COMING TO WARREN COUNTY, THEN WE AS A COMMUNITY MUST TAKE A STAND AND PROTECT THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR HOME.

WE MUST VET THE INTENTIONS OF THE PROSPECTIVE APPLICANT BY ONLY CONSIDERING A DATA CENTER VIA SPECIAL USE OR CONDIT USE PERMIT.

THE GOAL IS TO HAVE THE DATA CENTER APPLICANT TO BE FORTHRIGHT AND TRANSPARENT FROM THE OUTSET SO THAT THE COMMUNITY WILL BE INFORMED THROUGH THE PROCESS.

IT IS NOT UNCOMMON FOR DATA CENTERS TO ASK OUR GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS AS MS. LOBERG WHO ELEGANTLY SAID, UH, TO ASK FOR GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS TO SIGN A NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT, WHICH WILL CENSOR CRITICAL INFORMATION THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN, UH, DISCLOSED TO THE PUBLIC.

THAT BASICALLY MEANS THAT IF YOU SPEAK, UH, YOU OPEN YOURSELF UP FOR LITIGATION DATA.

SENATORS PURPOSELY DON'T WANT TO BE TRANSPARENT WITH CITIZENS IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THEIR COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE AGAINST OTHER DATA CENTERS AT THE EXPENSE OF THE COMMUNITY.

SINCE DATA CENTERS WILL REQUIRE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN TAX INCENTIVES FROM THE COMMUNITY, THEN IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT WE FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PROSPECTIVE APPLICANT WILL BE GIVING US.

MONETARIAL BACK TO THE COMMUNITY IN THE FORM OF ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, MONEY FOR SCHOOLS, MONEY FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT, AND FIRE AND RESCUE.

ONLY A FEW DATA CENTERS INVEST DIRECTLY IN NEW COMMUNITIES.

I'VE DONE SOME RESEARCH ON THAT AND EVERYTHING THAT I'VE FOUND IS THEY DON'T NECESSARILY INVEST DIRECTLY.

THEY, THEY MAY SUBCONTRACT IT OUT, UH, TO SECOND TIER, UH, CENTERS AND DOING SO, THEY WILL PAY LOWER TAXES AND CONCURRENTLY EXPAND THE VALUE OF THEIR COMPANY'S PROPERTIES.

AND IT'S NOT UNUSUAL FOR DATA CENTERS TO COME BACK TO THE BOARD AND THE COMMUNITY AND ASKED TO RECLASSIFY THEIR PROPERTIES AFTER THEY HAVE SAID, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU THIS MUCH REVENUE, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.

WE'RE GOING TO RECLASSIFY OUR, UH, YOUR PROPERTIES AND WE WANT TO PLAY PAYLESS TAX.

SOMETHING THAT, UM, UH, VALLEY HEALTH HAS DONE OVER IN WINCHESTER.

THEY SAY THAT THEY ARE BEGINNING TO RECYCLE THEIR WATER, BUT IS WELL KNOWN THAT THEY NEED FRESH, PORTABLE WATER TO COOL THESE MACHINES, WHICH PLACE STRESS ON OUR ELECTRICAL GRID.

ONE CAN COOL RECYCLE WATER USING NOISY AC UNITS ON TOP OF THE UNITS IN PRINCE WILLIAM COUNTY.

THERE'S BEEN A A LOT OF FIGHT ON THAT WITH THE AMBER ALAY STATION, UH, DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE WHERE, UH, THESE AIR CONDITIONING UNITS, UM, THEY HIT 70 DECIBELS ALL NIGHT LONG.

PEOPLE CAN'T EVEN SIT OUT ON THEIR DECKS.

SO JUST BECAUSE IT'S IN AN INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP AN INDUSTRIAL SITE DOESN'T MEAN THAT IN THE FUTURE THAT THERE'S GONNA BE DEVELOPMENT OF HOUSES NEAR THAT SITE.

UH, OKAY, UM, THE RECYCLED WATER WILL ULTIMATELY, UH, NEED TO BE REPLACED.

UH,

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I GOT THAT OUT OF A, UH, FORBES, UH, MAGAZINE, UH, ARTICLE.

A DATA CENTER HALF THAT SIZE, SAY 50,000 SQUARE FEET, WOULD STILL PROBABLY USE 1.5 TO 2.5 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER PER DAY.

WHERE TOWN FRONT ROYAL CURRENTLY PULLS 1.5 GALLONS OR 1.25 GALLONS FROM, UH, THE SY RIVER.

THE CORRIDOR PULLS ABOUT 1 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY, UH, OF SHENORA RIVER.

UH, THE, OBVIOUSLY THESE WERE EXAMPLES ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS TO OUR WATER SUPPLY.

NOT TO MENTION THAT THE WATER TO COOL THESE MACHINES WILL NEED TO BE TREATED AS, UH, UH, LADY EARLIER INDICATED THEY NEED TO BE TREATED TO REMOVE ANY CONTAINMENTS PRIOR TO RELEASING IT BACK INTO OUR STREAMS. UH, ONE OTHER POINT, CAST STRAP.

COMMUNITIES LIKE WARREN COUNTY OR PRIME TARGETS FOR LARGE CONGLOMERATE LIKE GOOGLE, WHO IS A $2 MILLION, UH, $2 TRILLION, EXCUSE ME, UH, COMPANY, UH, WITH, UH, $15.8 MILLION IN PROFITS.

UH, THEY'RE MORE INTERESTED IN PROTECTING THEIR COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE, THEN BEING TRANSPARENT WITH THEIR PROSPECTIVE COMMUNITY.

THIS IS WHY WE NEED TO VET THESE, UH, DATA CENTERS, UH, THROUGH CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YOU COULD, YOU COULD ORDER SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, I COULD ORDER SOMETHING FROM MARYLAND AND IF THE COMPANY DIDN'T HAVE ANY PRESENCE IN VIRGINIA, AND, AND BY PRESENT, I MEAN NOT JUST A RETAIL OPERATION, BUT EVEN IF THEY HAD ONE EMPLOYEE WHO WAS RUNNING A SALES OFFICE, OKAY, THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO COLLECT THE SALES TAX IN VIRGINIA, AMAZON OPENED A GIGANTIC DISTRIBUTION CENTER IN 2006 IN STERLING VIRGINIA.

NO ONE ELSE HAS SIGNED UP.

MADAM CHAIR WOULD MORE, I WAS GONNA JUST ASK IF ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.

SAY YES, SIR.

UH, THIS WILL BE VERY SHORT.

MY NAME IS TOM MCFADDEN, UH, 1418 VIRGINIA AVENUE.

AND, UH, EVERYBODY HERE HAS SPOKEN ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT'S INVOLVED.

AND I JUST WANTED TO ADD ONE THING.

I THINK, UH, THE ASSUMPTION IS THAT WHATEVER WATER IS NEEDED WILL COME FROM THE SHENANDOAH.

UH, AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE PEOPLE IN THIS PART OF THE COUNTRY ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT, BUT EVERY, UH, RIVER IN THE UNITED STATES, WEST OF THE MISSISSIPPI AND INCLUDING THE MISSISSIPPI IS DRYING UP.

AND THE RIVER'S, MAJOR RIVERS ALL OVER EUROPE ARE DRIVING, DRYING UP.

SO, UH, WE'RE BLESSED HERE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE SHANDO.

BUT, UM, IF WE GET INTO A CONTRACTUAL RELATIONSHIP WHERE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, OBLIGED TO SUPPLY A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF WATER TO, YOU KNOW, TO A DATA CENTER, YOU KNOW, THERE'LL BE A LITTLE PUSHING AND SHOVING GOING ON THERE WITH THE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE RESIDENTS.

SO I WOULD JUST SAY IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A GIVEN THAT THE SHENANDOAH IS GONNA BE ABLE TO SUPPLY THAT KIND OF WATER FOREVER.

SO, THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? YES, SIR.

GOOD EVENING.

MARK AGGER 1 0 2 EAST FOURTH STREET.

UM, THIS SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF SECRECY GOING ON HERE.

OBVIOUSLY THIS THING DIDN'T JUST COME OUTTA NOWHERE TO PRESENT THIS REZONING, UH, OR TO CREATE A NEW ZONING THING OR, AND A BY RIGHT USAGE IN A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONE.

THERE'S SOME IMPETUS FOR THIS.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT I JUST WANNA SAY JEFF BEZOS IS NOT YOUR FRIEND, OKAY? HE'S NOT YOUR FRIEND.

UM, HE WILL TAKE WHAT HE WANTS OUT OF WARREN COUNTY AND HE DOESN'T CARE WHAT HAPPENS TO WARREN COUNTY.

OKAY? UM, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, AMAZON WAS FOUNDED IN 1994.

UM, AND THEY, THEY, FOR 20 YEARS, THEY SOLD, UH, PRODUCTS IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA WITHOUT COLLECTING VIRGINIA STATE SALES TAX.

WHEREAS EVERY OTHER BUSINESS THAT OPERATED A RETAIL OPERATION IN VIRGINIA HAD TO COLLECT SALES TAX FROM ANYONE WHO ORDERED STUFF, EVEN IF IT WAS ONLINE AND THE COMPANY WAS OUT OF STATE, IF THEY HAD ONE LITTLE OFFICE, ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE, NOT EVEN A RETAIL STORE, THEY WERE REQUIRED TO COLLECT THE STAS TAX OF 5%.

AMAZON GOT OFF SCO FREE UNTIL 2013.

NOW, UM, IT IS TRUE IF YOU HAD NO PRESENCE IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA,

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IT WAS THEIR FIRST ONE IN VIRGINIA.

SO THEY HAD A PRESENCE IN VIRGINIA STARTING IN 2006, AND THEY REFUSED TO COLLECT SALES TAX IN VIRGINIA FOR SEVEN YEARS.

EVEN THOUGH EVERY OTHER COMPANY, BIG ONES AND LITTLE ONES, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE COLLECTING SALES TAX, YOU WERE ORDERING STUFF FROM OUTTA STATE.

AND THESE OTHER COMPANIES HAD TO COLLECT SALES TAX BECAUSE THEY HAD A PRESENCE IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA AND AMAZON.

JEFF BEZOS GOT AWAY WITH IT.

HE SAID, WELL, THAT DISTRIBUTION CENTER IN STERLING VIRGINIA IS NOT OWNED BY AMAZON.

HE CREATED A, A DUMMY CORPORATION THAT SAID, OH, WE, THIS CORPORATION OWNS THE DISTRIBUTION CENTER.

YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT OURS.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE TYPE OF PERSON YOU'RE DEALING WITH HERE.

THEY DON'T, THEY'RE NOT DOING THIS AS A FAVOR TO YOU.

OKAY? JEFF BEZOS IS NOT YOUR FRIEND.

AND ONE FINAL POINT I WANNA MAKE, IT'S BEING PRESENTED TONIGHT.

LIKE THERE'S TWO CHOICES, LIKE EITHER BY RIGHT OR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

THERE'S A THIRD CHOICE.

DON'T DO ANYTHING.

DON'T ALLOW IT AT ALL.

NO CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS, NO NOTHING, JUST DON'T EVEN VOTE ON IT.

TELL JEFF BEZOS TO PUT HIS, HIS, UH, DATA CENTER AT THE WASHINGTON POST BUILDING THAT HE OWNS, OR MAYBE AT HIS BIGGEST STATE IN, IN WASHINGTON STATE.

ANYONE ELSE AT THIS TIME? SECOND CALL.

ANYONE ELSE? QUICK? JOHN CMAX, 75 PATTY TRACK LANE IN FRONT.

ROYAL WARREN COUNTY.

UH, HAVING HEARD THIS, I HAD NO IDEA THIS WAS GOING ON, UH, IN SUCH DETAIL.

UM, I JUST WANNA MENTION ONE THING.

IF YOU'RE TAKING COOLING WATER OUT OF THE SHEO RIVER OR ANY OUTTA THE BODY OF WATER, RUNNING IT THROUGH AIR CONDITIONING EQUIPMENT AND EXTRACTING HEAT AND PUTTING IT BACK IN THE SHEO RIVER WILL HEAT UP, YOU WILL START FORGETTING ABOUT HAVING THIS AS A FISHING AND RECREATION AREA, IN MY OPINION.

USE PERMANENT 2022 DASH OH EIGHT DASH OH ONE.

LAST CALL.

ANYONE ELSE? PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.

ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? THEY SHOULD SAY NO.

IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION? MADAME CHAIR? I THINK GIVEN THE CO UH, THE CONVERSATION HERE TONIGHT, UH, I WOULD MOVE THAT THE BOARD POSTPONE ANY DECISION AND UNTIL WE HAVE SOME SORT OF WORK SESSION, UH, THESE ARE SO COMPLICATED, THESE DECISIONS, THESE ARE NOT EASILY DECIDED IN ONE NIGHT OF INFORMATION.

UM, IT TAKES WEEKS OF RESEARCH TO COME UP WITH A REALLY GOOD CONCLU UH, CONCLUSION.

AND I WOULD ASK, YOU KNOW, ARE DATA CENTERS RIGHT FOR WARREN COUNTY? THAT'S BEEN A QUESTION IN MY HEAD.

SO I THINK THAT GIVEN ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WE SHOULD POSTPONE IT UNTIL WE CAN HAVE A WORK SESSION AND THEN WE CAN RESCHEDULE PUBLIC HEARING BASED ON WHAT WE DECIDED THAT WORK SESSION IS THERE A SECOND.

JUST KILL THAT SECOND ROLL CALL MRS. SHROCK.

MR. MABE.

AYE.

MADAM CHAIR? ABSOLUTELY.

SO, SO MADAME CHAIR? YES.

JUST FOR THE BOARD'S ED CLARIFICATION THERE, THE COUNTY IS THE APPLICANT ON THIS, SO YOU CAN ALWAYS JUST DENY THIS PERIOD AND PUT THE COUNTY OUT OF ITS MISERY.

WELL, WE'VE, WE, WELL, I WAS GONNA SAY WE WILL DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE AND SEE WHAT CONCLUSION WE COME TO, BUT UH, THAT WAY WE CAN SAY WE HAVE BEEN FAIR AND OPEN-MINDED AND DONE ALL OF OUR DUE DILIGENCE THOUGH, VERY GOODNESS.

[C. Conditional Use Permit 2022-08-01 – Gillian Greenfield and Richard Butcher for a Short-Term Tourist Rental Located at 1164 Riverview Shores Drive and Identified on Tax Map 13C, Section 4, Block 4, Lot 615 and 617 – Chase Lenz]

UH, GILLIAN GREENFIELD AND RICHARD BUTCHER FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL LOCATED AT 1164 RIVERVIEW SHORES DRIVE AND IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 13 C SECTION FOUR BLOCK FOUR LOT SIX 15 IS SIX 17.

AND WE WILL WAIT TILL THEY LEAVE MR.

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LYNN AND THEN YOU CAN TAKE IT OVER.

THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING TONIGHT AND THANK YOU MADAME CHAIR.

THE APPLICANTS ARE REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY THEY PURCHASED IN NOVEMBER OF 2021.

THE APPLICANTS WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR SHORT TERM VISITATIONS FOR INDIVIDUAL VISITING THE WARREN COUNTY AREA RESIDING IN WINCHESTER, VIRGINIA.

THE APPLICANTS HAVE YEARS OF EXPERIENCE OPERATING SEVERAL SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTALS IN THE SHENANDOAH VALLEY AREA, AND THEY DO PLAN ON MANAGING THE PROPERTY THEMSELVES WITH ASSISTANCE FROM LOCAL PROFESSIONAL SERVICES FOR TRASH DISPOSAL CLEANING AND MAINTENANCE.

UM, THE PROPERTY IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL ONE.

IT'S LOCATED IN THE SHENANDOAH SHORES SUBDIVISION.

UM, AND THIS PROPERTY HAS NOT HAD ANY PREVIOUS CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS ISSUED FOR USES IN THE RESIDENTIAL ONE ZONING DISTRICT.

THERE HAVE BEEN NO ZONING VIOLATIONS RECORDED FOR THE PROPERTY EITHER.

THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT CONSTRUCTION PERMIT AND RECORD OF INSPECTION ON FILE APPROVING TWO OCCUPANTS FOR THE DWELLING ONE BEDROOM IN THE DWELLING.

UM, AND AT THIS POINT COMMENTS WERE REQUESTED FROM THE SHENANDOAH SHORES, UH, POA, BUT WE DID NOT RECEIVE A RESPONSE.

UM, AND THE, THE DWELLING DOES MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT TO ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS WITH THE CLOSEST DWELLING 155 FEET TO THE SOUTHWEST.

UM, SO FOR, WE HAVE MULTIPLE SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL APPLICATIONS TONIGHT, SO I WILL READ THROUGH THESE ALL THE CONDITIONS ONCE AND THEN WE'LL JUST, UM, GO OVER THE ONES THAT ARE DIFFERENT FOR THE, THE ADDITIONAL APPLICATIONS TONIGHT.

THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED TWO HAS DETERMINED ACCORDING TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT FOR A ONE BEDROOM DWELLING CONDITION.

NUMBER THREE, THE APPLICANTS SHALL HAVE THE WELL WATER TESTED ANNUALLY FOR E COLI AND COLIFORM BACTERIA.

A COPY OF THE RESULTS SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING AND HEALTH DEPARTMENTS AND THE APPLICANTS SHALL HAVE OR CONDITION.

NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANTS SHALL HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM INSPECTED ANNUALLY BY A STATE LICENSE INSPECTOR, AND A COPY OF THE RESULTS SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING AND HEALTH DEPARTMENTS.

THE SYSTEM SHALL ALSO BE SERVICED EVERY FIVE YEARS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, AND A COPY OF THE SERVICE INVOICE SHALL BE PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT CONDITION.

NUMBER FIVE, THE DISCHARGE OF FIREARMS AND HUNTING ON THE PROPERTY BY GUESTS SHALL BE PROVI, UH, PROHIBITED, UM, RECOMMENDED CONDITION.

NUMBER SIX, THE USE OF ALTERING VEHICLES BY GUESTS ON THE PROPERTY AND WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION SHALL BE PROHIBITED.

AND CONDITION NUMBER SEVEN, OUTDOOR BURNING AND USE OF FIREWORKS BY GUESTS SHALL BE PROHIBITED.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID DURING THEIR PUBLIC HEARING DID UNANIMOUSLY UH, VOTE ON A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.

UH, AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT.

THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.

THE JASON PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME, SIR? I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY UNLESS THE BOARD HAS QUESTION FOR ME.

PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME? HEARING NONE, MRS. SHIRAKI, HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS? WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM AT THIS TIME? SECOND CALL.

ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK? THIRD AND FINAL PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.

ANY DISCUSSION? IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION? MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST OF GILLIAN, UH, GREENFIELD AND RICHARD BUTCHER FOR SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF.

UM, YEAH, WE CAN ABSOLUTELY DO THAT FOR YOU.

ROLL COM.

IS THIS SHARA, MR. BUTLER? AYE.

UH, BEFORE WE, WE PROCEED, I WAS WONDERING WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO GET, UH, YOU KNOW, FROM THE, UH, FROM THE PLANNING OR BUILDING COMMISSION A MAP THAT SHOWS ALL OF THE RESIDENCES THAT ARE SHORT TERM RENTALS? CAUSE UH, YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE SEEN QUITE A, QUITE A LOT OF THESE COME THROUGH AND I'M JUST KIND OF WONDERING OF WE, WE CAN DO THAT.

WE HAVE BEEN TRACKING IT, UH, VIA A SPREADSHEET AND, UM, UH, MS. REZNICK HAS BEEN IN INPUT THEM IS AS, UH, CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS IN THE, IN OUR GIS MAP THAT WE USE.

THEY'RE NOT AVAILABLE LOT.

THE REASON I ASK, I JUST DON'T WANNA WAKE UP ONE DAY AND AND REALIZE THAT OH MY GOSH, 75% OF THIS COUNTY IS, YOU KNOW, TOURIST RENTALS.

SURE, SURE.

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WE'LL HAVE THAT DONE FOR YOU NEXT, UH, MONTH FOR NEXT MONTH MEETING.

DIDN'T YOU, YOU'VE ALREADY DONE THAT PARTIALLY, HAVEN'T YOU? EMMA HAS BEEN TRACKING IT AND PUTTING THEM AND PUTTING THEM IN AS A DATA LATER IN OUR IN-HOUSE GIS THAT WE HAVE ACCESSIBLE.

UM, I'LL SEE IF SHE'S UP TO DATE.

WE'VE BEEN KIND OF MOVING THROUGH AND GETTING A LOT OF THESE APPROVED, BUT, UH, UM, AND WE CAN ACTUALLY PUT 'EM IN TO SHOW THAT IF THEY'RE IN PROCESS OR IF THEY'VE BEEN DENIED THAT KIND OF THING, WE CAN SHOW THAT.

UM, SO YES, WE, WE CAN ABSOLUTELY, I MEAN, IT'S CURRENTLY IN PROCESS AND WE ACTUALLY ARE TRACKING THEM, UH, FOR COMPLIANCE IN A, IN A SPREADSHEET.

OUR ZONING OFFICER, MR. BROCK, DOES THAT.

SO, UM, UH, I I THINK THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.

VERY EASY TO DO FOR YOU AND WE CAN HAVE THAT MAP FOR YOU.

CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 2022 DASH OH EIGHT DASH OH TWO ELIZABETH SHAMAN.

OKAY, NEXT IS

[D. Conditional Use Permit 2022-08-02 – Elizabeth A. Saman for a Short-Term Tourist Rental Located at 431 Cindys Way and Identified on Tax Map 15F, Section 1, Block 7, Lot 19 – Matt Wendling]

I HOPE I HAVEN'T MISPRONOUNCED THAT, UH, FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL LOCATED AT 4 31 CINDY'S WAY AND IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 15 F SECTION ONE BLOCK SEVEN.

LOT 19 MR. WENLING.

YES, UH, THIS APPLICANT PURCHASED HIS PROPERTY IN 2016 AND BUILT HER HOME IN 2021.

UH, SHE HAS LIVED THERE SINCE RECEIVING, UM, THE CERTIFICATE OF ANCY OCCUPANCY FOR THE STRUCTURE.

UM, DUE TO HEALTH RELATED, UH, FAMILY HEALTH RELATED SITUATION.

SHE IS REQUIRED TO BE IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA FOR A GOOD PART OF THE WEEK.

AND SO IN LIEU OF RENTING LONG TERM OVER 30 DAYS, SHE HAS CHOSEN TO REQUEST THAT SHE BE ALLOWED TO RENT SHORT TERM FOR LESS THAN 30 DAYS.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A WAIVER TO THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT OF A HUNDRED FEET FROM DWELLING TO DWELLING.

THE DWELLING TO THE NORTHEAST IS 85 FEET, WHICH DOES NOT MEET THAT REQUIRED SETBACK.

THE APPLICANT, UH, WOULD BE CONTACTING A, UH, CONTRACTING WITH A LAWN CARE, UH, TO MAINTAIN THE EXTERIOR PROPERTY AND SHE WOULD BE THE PRIMARY PROPERTY OWNER, PRIMARY PROPERTY MANAGER, UH, IN THE CASE OF AN EMERGENCY.

UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEWED THIS AND BASED ON, UM, SOME OF WHAT I BELIEVE THEY HEARD DURING THEIR PUBLIC HEARING, THEY FELT THAT THIS PARTICULAR USE, UM, WAS NOT A GOOD FIT IN HER IMMEDIATE COMMUNITY.

SO THEY VOTED TO DENY IT LISTING THE REASON, UM, FOR THE WAIVER, THEY DID NOT WANT TO GIVE THE WAIVER TO THAT SETBACK, SO THEY MOVED THAT FORWARD WITH DENIAL.

UH, SINCE THAT TIME, MS. SIMON HAS, UH, SUBMITTED, UH, A LETTER TO THE BOARD, WHICH WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKETS.

UM, AND MS. SIMON IS HERE TODAY.

I WILL FOREGO READING ANY OF THE CONDITIONS.

THE CONDITION TWO WOULD'VE BEEN THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED FIVE AS DETERMINED ACCORDING TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT CONDITIONAL OPERATIONAL PERMIT ISSUED FOR A THREE BEDROOM DWELLING AND THEN EIGHT WOULD'VE BEEN THE WAIVER CONDITION.

UM, THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED ADJACENT PROPERTY MANAGERS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED AND I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.

ARE THERE QUESTIONS FOR MR. WENLING? AND I APOLOGIZE, MISS, IS IT CHAIRMAN OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK UP? I'M SORRY, I FORGOT TO ASK YOU THAT.

IF YOU COME UP TO THE PODIUM, PLEASE.

WELL, A LOT OF EVERYTHING I HAD TO SAY WAS IN THE LETTER THAT I PREVIOUSLY SENT YOU GUYS, AND THE REASON WHY I SENT IT IS BECAUSE IT'S A LOT.

MY NEIGHBORS HAD A LOT OF CONCERNS AND I REALLY WANTED TO ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS.

UM, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF I WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO READ A TWO PAGE LETTER TODAY, SO I PRE MAILED IT.

UM, BUT IN ANY CASE, YOU KNOW, I APPLIED FOR THIS PERMIT FOR TWO MAIN REASONS.

ONE BEING THE THINGS THAT MATT WENDLING SAID.

MR. WENDLING SAID, UM, MY FATHER IS VERY ILL AND HE NEEDS ME FOR A GREAT PORTION OF THE WEEK.

UM, THE SECOND REASON IS MORE RECENT, UM, AND PROBABLY WELL KNOWN TO MY NEIGHBORS.

UM, THE COST OF LIVING IS VERY HIGH.

UM, INTEREST RATES ARE ALSO VERY HIGH.

I'M IN REAL ESTATE AND NOBODY'S BUYING ANYTHING.

IF YOU GUYS SEE ALL THE LISTINGS THAT ARE LISTED, ALL THE PRICES ARE GOING DOWN OR PROPERTIES ARE BEING WITHDRAWN FROM THE MARKET BECAUSE OF THE RATE.

MOREOVER, IF THE RATE WAS HIGH AND THE COST OF LIVING WAS LOW, IT WOULD ACTUALLY OFFSET AND PEOPLE WOULD

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MAKE MAY CONSIDER BUYING.

SO YOU'RE GONNA ACTUALLY HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE LOOKING INTO SECOND AND THIRD FORMS OF, OF INCOME.

AIRBNB IS VERY LUCRATIVE.

IT'S ALSO VERY GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY.

UM, AND, UM, IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S GOOD FOR FRONT ROYAL AND IT'S GOOD FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER.

MY NEIGHBORS HAVE SEVERAL CONCERNS, WHICH I DO WANNA ADDRESS.

I DON'T WANNA TURN AROUND AND TALK TO THEM CUZ YOU GUYS ARE HERE, UM, .

BUT ONE BEING, UH, PEOPLE GOING IN AND OUT OF THE COMMUNITY, IT'S INEVITABLE.

I MEAN, THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WHETHER I GET THIS PERMIT OR NOT, THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.

WE ALL GO IN AND OUT AT NIGHT DURING THE DAY.

I MEAN, THIS IS THIS, THAT'S INEVITABLE.

THAT'S NOT GONNA BE AVOIDED.

UM, I BELIEVE THAT THE REASONS I JUST STATED REGARDING THE ECONOMY AND MY FAMILY CONCERNS, UM, THAT THEIR, THEIR CONCERN JUST DOESN'T OUTWEIGH THOSE TWO REASONS WHY I REALLY NEED THIS PERMIT.

UM, ANOTHER REASON IS, LET'S SEE HERE.

HOLD ON ONE MOMENT.

I BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE IN PROPERTY RIGHTS.

I REALLY DO BELIEVE IN PROPERTY RIGHTS.

I BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO MAXIMIZE THEIR PROPERTIES USE WHILE RETAINING THE EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TO HANG OUT THERE.

I MEAN, I COULD RENT MY PROPERTY FOR 30 PLUS DAYS, BUT I WON'T BE ABLE TO BE THERE.

UM, I'M ALSO, AGAIN, IN REAL ESTATE AND I, AND I'M NOT FOREIGN TO PROPERTY MANAGEMENT.

UM, I DO UNDERSTAND THE BASICS OF PROPERTY MANAGEMENT.

UM, MOREOVER, I ALSO CARE ABOUT WHO STAYS AT MY PROPERTY.

I KNOW THAT ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS WAS CONCERNED ABOUT PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT AND WHO'S GONNA BE THERE.

UM, THE REALITY IS THAT I GOT, I GOT AN OFFER LAST MONTH FOR SOMEONE TO STAY IN JANUARY FOR A VERY SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY.

I LITERALLY TURNED IT DOWN.

I DIDN'T LIKE THE COMMUNICATION THAT THEY HAD WITH ME.

I DIDN'T LIKE HOW THEY WERE TALKING TO ME.

I DIDN'T LIKE THE, THE JUST, I DIDN'T LIKE THE VIBE.

I WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT, THIS IS NOT A GOOD PERSON.

THEY'RE NOT A GOOD PERSON TO STAY THERE.

SO I DO CARE ABOUT WHO'S STAYING IN MY COM IN MY HOME, UM, BECAUSE IT'S MY INVESTMENT.

I LOVE THE PLACE.

UM, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADDRESS ANY OF THE CONCERNS.

LET ME, REGARDING MY HOUSE MANUAL, EVERYTHING IS LAID OUT IN MY HOUSE MANUAL.

MY HOUSE MANUAL ACTUALLY SAYS THAT IF ANY OF THE RULES IN THE MANUAL ARE BROKEN, THE PEOPLE CAN BE ASKED TO LEAVE.

THE GUESTS CAN BE ASKED TO LEAVE.

AND I AM MORE THAN WILLING TO HAVE ANY, ANY GUEST THAT'S STAYING THERE, SIGN THAT HOUSE MANUAL BEFORE THEY GO IN TO TO, TO START THEIR, THEIR, THEIR STAY.

UM, AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS WANTED ME TO REREAD ANY OF THESE OR IF YOU GUYS LOOKED AT IT.

I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THESE OTHER CONCERNS THAT THEY HAD.

I DID ADDRESS ALL MY NEIGHBOR'S CONCERNS IN THIS COMMUNICATION.

UM, IF ANY OF MY NEIGHBORS APPLIED FOR THIS PERMIT, I HAVE TO BE REALLY HONEST WITH YOU.

I WOULD, I WOULDN'T CARE IF ANY BUN IF ANYONE CAN USE THEIR PROPERTY AND MAKE A FEW EXTRA DOLLARS, MAKE THEIR LIFE A LITTLE EASIER, TAKE EXTRA DAY OFF.

IT JUST, IT DOESN'T CONCERN ME AT ALL IF MY NEIGHBOR'S WINNING, I'M WINNING.

IF THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING THAT'S COMPLETELY OUTTA LINE, I, I GET IT.

BUT, UM, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY IT.

UM, THAT'S REALLY IT.

AND ALL MY SYSTEMS BUILT LAST YEAR, NOVEMBER, 2021.

SO EVERYTHING IS FAIRLY NEW.

IT'S VERY WELL MAINTAINED.

I NOT ONLY HAVE A LANDSCAPE, UH, CONTRACT, I'VE, I'VE GOTTEN TO KNOW A LOT OF GREAT PEOPLE IN FRONT ROYAL WHO, WHO ARE WILLING TO ATTEND.

IF THERE'S NOISE OR THERE'S ANYTHING GOING ON.

I'M ALSO FREQUENTLY IN LARAY.

MY, MY UNCLE IS THERE, SO I STAY THERE LOTS ABOUT 25 MINUTES AWAY.

SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.

UNLESS YOU GUYS DID NOT GET A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THIS AHEAD OF TIME, I'M WILLING TO GO OVER IT.

THAT'S REALLY GOOD.

ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY, THANK YOU.

MRS. SHIRAKI, IS ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR THIS? YES.

MY NAME IS JONATHAN LOPEZ.

I LIVE ON 4 33 SY WAY.

I AM THE PROPERTY OWNER ADJACENT TO MISS SUMMON.

UM, THE REASON FOR MY PROPOSAL TO, TO HER, TO HER RENTAL IS ONE SHE DOES NOT MEET THE 85.

WELL, SHE'S WITHIN 85 FEET OF MY HOUSE.

UM, THERE'S A BACKSTORY TO THIS.

I'M NOT GONNA GET INTO DETAILS, BUT I MOVE MY GARAGE TO BE, UM, MY WHOLE DRIVEWAY TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR.

UM, BECAUSE MY, MY GIRL, MY DRIVEWAY WAS FIVE FEET INTO HERS.

I BOUGHT THE HOUSE IN 2018 AND THE HOUSE WAS ALREADY BUILT.

IT WAS, IT WAS A PRE-OWNED HOUSE.

THE DRIVEWAY, IT WAS EXISTING DRIVEWAY THAT WAS THERE.

I PURCHASED IT LIKE THAT LATER TO FIND OUT THAT I HAD TO MOVE MY DRIVEWAY FIVE FEET.

I WANT TO KEEP MY NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE NEIGHBORLY AS NEIGHBORLY AS POSSIBLE.

WHERE, WHERE GOOD NEIGHBOR VALUES AND STUFF.

SO, YOU KNOW WHAT? I DON'T WANT NO TROUBLE.

I MOVED THE ENTIRE, UH, THE ENTIRE DRIVEWAY, 150 FEET

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OF DRIVEWAY.

I MOVED EVERYTHING JUST TO GIVE HER HER SPACE THAT SHE, THAT SHE WANTED.

UH, SHE WAS REQUESTING IT.

SO I MEAN, I GAVE IT TO HER.

UM, AND THEN NOW THE WHOLE CONDITIONAL PERMIT, I DON'T AGREE TO IT.

I HAVE TWO KIDS, UH, ONE RECENTLY BORN ON OCTOBER 2ND THIS MONTH.

UM, UNFORTUNATELY MY SON HAS SPECIAL NEEDS.

UM, ANOTHER REASON WHY I DON'T WANT THE, THE PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT OF THIS PROPERTY, BEING SO CLOSE TO MINES, HAVING TWO KIDS AND HAVING THE ACCIDENT ALREADY OF TWO INCIDENTS WHERE PEOPLE WENT INTO MY DRIVEWAY BECAUSE THEY GOT CONFUSED OF THE PROPERTY.

I'M NOT GONNA HAVE MY KIDS PLAYING IN MY DRIVEWAY HAVING TO BE SCARED THAT THEY MIGHT GET HIT BY A CAR OR SOMEBODY.

IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A VACATION PROPERTY RENTAL.

WHAT MS. SALMON WANTS TO USE IT FOR.

IT'S A VACATION.

PEOPLE PARTY, PEOPLE DRINK, MAYBE THEY COME UP THE ROAD AND THEY GET CONFUSED AT MY HOUSE.

UNFORTUNATELY, THE PERSON MIGHT BE, UM, UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF ALCOHOL AND STUFF HITS MY KID.

I MEAN, I MOVED OUT OF THE CITY TO BE SAFE, TO LOOK TO WATCH FOR THE WELLBEING OF MY FAMILY.

HOW AM I GONNA GO BACK TO THIS AGAIN? IT'S NO, I MEAN, WE HAVE RULES.

WE HAVE SET BAGS THAT DON'T ALLOW THIS.

SO I'M ASKING THE BOARD TO DENY IT.

I, THAT'S ALL.

THANK YOU SIR.

ANYONE ELSE MOVE THIS SHIRAKI? YES.

MADAM CHAIR AND THIS INDIVIDUAL WHO SIGNED UP DID NOT INCLUDE A LAST NAME, BUT IT'S GINA.

HELLO? I AM HERE.

UH, I'M ONE OF FIVE.

IF YOU COULD GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.

OH, GINA SENSE, IT'S FOUR 19 CINDY'S WAY.

I'M ONE OF FIVE PEOPLE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO, UH, SAY NO TO THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

UH, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD CINDY'S WAY IS NOT HERE.

SHE'S SICK.

UM, I'VE SPOKEN WITH LIZZIE, LIZ, ELIZABETH ONCE, UH, IN FACE TO FACE BY TEXT.

FOUR TIMES J JULY OF AUGUST OF LAST YEAR, 2021 TO SAY HELLO.

AND SHE SAID HELLO BACK AGAIN IN JANUARY, ASKING ME AT FOUR IN THE MORNING IF I HEARD ANYTHING, IS SOMETHING GOING ON ON CINDY'S WAY? UH, THERE WAS A BIG SNOWSTORM THAT NIGHT.

NOTHING WAS GOING ON.

ALL I COULD HEAR IS SNOWFLAKES AND THE PHONE TEXTING.

UM, AGAIN IN JANUARY WHEN SHE GOT STUCK IN THE DRIVEWAY OF HERS.

UH, AND WE CAME OVER AND PULLED HER OUT.

UH, SHE, YOU KNOW, GAVE US A BOTTLE OF WINE OUT OF THANKS.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

BUT, UM, THE LAST TIME WAS, UM, A TEXT ABOUT SOME NYQUIL.

IF I HAD, THAT'S NOT REALLY NEIGHBORLY.

IT'S NOTHING.

UH, THERE'S NO COMMUNICATION WITH THAT.

AND THE OTHER THING IS I DON'T APPRECIATE, AND I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS SINCE THE LAST TIME, THAT HER NEEDS ARE HIGHER OR MORE IMPORTANT THAN OURS.

I MIGHT DRIVE 200 MILES A DAY, A COUPLE DI TIMES PER WEEK GOING BACK AND FORTH COMMUTING TO MY JOB.

THAT COST ME MONEY.

THAT COST ME A LOT OF TIME.

AND I DON'T APPRECIATE SOMEBODY THAT THINKS THAT THEIR PAIN IS MORE THAN OURS.

WE BURIED SOMEBODY A COUPLE DAYS BEFORE SHE MENTIONED HER PROBLEM AND HER REASON OF WANTING THIS LONG TERM RENTAL.

WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE ALL HAVE FAMILY DYING.

WE ALL ARE TAKING CARE OF SOMEBODY, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, IN OUR HOUSE OR AT SOMEONE ELSE'S HOUSE THAT WE HAVE TO TRAVEL TO.

I DON'T APPRECIATE THAT SOMEONE THAT WE DON'T EVEN TALK TO EXPECTS US TO PITY THEM FOR THE COST OF LIVING OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER USES REASONS SHE JUST USED UP HERE BEFORE ME.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR.

AND, UM, WE'RE A CLOSE, EXCUSE ME, EXCUSE ME.

I DIDN'T READ A LETTER.

OKAY, LET ME HAVE MY TURN.

I HAVE NOT READ A LETTER, I HAVE NOT HEARD FROM YOU.

YOUR TWO PAGE ADDRESS, YOUR COMMENTS TO THE BOARD.

EXCUSE ME.

AND YES, UM, I DON'T, YOU CAN WRAP UP.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE EVERYONE'S BEST INTEREST.

I DON'T THINK IT'S GOOD FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAVING SOMEBODY THAT REALLY DOESN'T CARE ABOUT US, BUT THEIR BOTTOM LINE IS THE MONEY, THE INCOME OF THAT RENTAL.

SO I'LL STOP THERE.

ANYONE ELSE? MRS. SHIRAKI? YES.

MADAME SHARED.

TIM DRISCOLL.

UH, TIM DRISCOLL, FOUR 19 CINDY'S WAY.

UM, I I'M AGAINST IT.

WE'VE HAD PEOPLE PULL INTO OUR DRIVEWAY

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LOOKING FOR HER PLACE.

UM, AND AGAIN, WE DID HAVE SOMEBODY DIE.

MY BROTHER, I'VE BEEN DRIVING TO ALEXANDRIA.

I I DON'T HAVE ANY EXCUSE.

I'M NOT, THERE'S NO, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.

UM, IT'S NOT A GOOD FIT FOR OUR COMMUNITY, OUR PERSONAL COMMUNITY.

WE HAVE A VERY TIGHT LITTLE CUL-DE-SAC HERE.

UH, ALL OF US KNOW EACH OTHER.

SHE NEVER CAME AND TALKED TO ANY OF US ABOUT THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE.

WE WOULD'VE ALL GOTTEN TOGETHER AND TALKED WITH EACH OTHER ABOUT THIS BEFORE IT WOULD'VE EVER COME TO YOU GUYS.

IT MAYBE NEVER WOULD HAVE.

WE MIGHT HAVE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM, BUT I KNOW THAT THE COUNTY HAS SETBACKS THAT ARE REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS.

SO I THINK YOU SHOULD GO BY WHAT YOU GUYS STATE IN YOUR BOOK AND, AND NOT WAIVE IT.

UM, IT, IT'S THERE FOR A REASON.

IT WAS PUT THERE FOR A REASON.

THE REST OF US IN THE COMMUNITY ARE NOT REALLY HAPPY ABOUT IT.

WE'RE NOT LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.

WE DO NOT WANT STRANGERS IN, UM, IT, WE'D LIKE TO MAYBE IF SHE LIVED THERE PERMANENTLY BECOME, YOU KNOW, A MEMBER OF, WE'VE PRETTY TIGHT KNIT IN THIS LITTLE GROUP, IN THIS COMMUNITY, IN OUR CUL-DE-SAC, OUR STREET.

IT HASN'T BEEN THAT WAY AND WE'D LIKE TO KEEP IT THAT WAY WITH SOMEBODY COMING IN AND OUT.

I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING.

UM, GRANTED THAT YOU, YOU HAVE GUIDELINES FOR THIS, IF IT DOESN'T MEET THE GUIDELINES, I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD GO THROUGH.

THOSE GUIDELINES WERE SET FOR A REASON TO KEEP US FROM HAVING ISSUES WITH EACH OTHER.

ANYONE ELSE? MSRA? NO ONE ELSE HAS SIGNED UP.

MADAM CHAIR, CAN WE GIVE EACH SPEAKER ONE TIME, SIR? SO I APOLOGIZE.

UH, ANYONE WHO HASN'T SPOKEN WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME.

SECOND CALL.

ANYONE WHO HASN'T SPOKE, THIRD AND FINAL CALL.

MA'AM, I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A CHANCE, BUT IF YOU WOULD MAKE IT ABSOLUTELY.

UM, WOULD YOU, CAN I STAND HERE? NO, YOU NEED TO COME TO THE PODIUM.

UM, SO MR. DRISCOLL'S CONCERNS, I CAN TOTALLY RESPECT.

THEY'RE VALID CONCERNS.

AND I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND.

LAST TIME I STOOD BEFORE YOU ALL, I SAID PLAINLY, I UNDERSTAND MY NEIGHBOR'S CONCERNS.

I NEVER AT ANY POINT SAID THAT MY LIFE IS HIGHER THAN ANYBODY'S LIFE.

MY PROBLEMS ARE HIGHER THAN ANYBODY ELSE'S PROBLEMS. THAT'S A PERSONAL ATTACK.

AND I'M GONNA COMPLETELY IGNORE THAT.

THAT IS, THAT IS NOT WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE.

I AM SIMP I SIMPLY WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS AND THIS IS THE PROCESS.

I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T ASK FOR ANY KIND OF LEEWAY OR ANYTHING.

I DID EVERYTHING THAT WAS NECESSARY AND I SUBMITTED ALL THE PROPER DOCUMENTATION.

AT NO POINT DID I, DO I EVER THINK THAT MY LIFE OR MY CO MY THINGS GOING ON IN MY LIFE ARE ABOVE ANYBODY ELSE'S LIFE.

I KNOW THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING THROUGH A LOT OF STUFF AND I'M SORRY TO ALL MY NEIGHBORS WHO ARE GOING THROUGH THINGS AS WELL.

UM, BUT, UH, THE REALITY IS THAT, AGAIN, PEOPLE GOING IN AND OUT OF THE COMMUNITY, IT'S JUST, IT'S INEVITABLE.

IT'S GONNA HAPPEN ANYWAY.

PEOPLE GOING IN AND OUT OF THE COMMUNITY AND MY GUIDELINES SET FORTH IN MY, IN MY JUSTIFICATIONS AND MY GUIDELINES SET FORTH IN MY HOUSE MANUAL, ALL HAVE RULES THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD ACTUALLY MAINTAIN A QUIET, UH, PEACEFUL ENVIRONMENT.

UM, THE THE, MY NEIGHBORS ARE STANDING BEFORE YOU AND TELLING YOU SHE DIDN'T COME TALK TO US.

MY NEIGHBORS HAVE BEEN UNFRIENDLY SINCE THE MOMENT I MOVED ON THAT BLOCK.

I'VE DISCUSSED IT WITH SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT WERE HERE.

SO IF I FELT COMFORTABLE AND I FELT LIKE THEY WANTED TO TALK TO ME, I WOULD'VE TALKED TO THEM.

IN FACT, SHE DIDN'T EVEN ANSWER MY LAST TEXT REGARDING THE NYQUIL.

SO, I MEAN, AGAIN, THIS IS, THAT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE.

BUT IF I FELT IN ANY WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, I COULD TALK TO THEM, I WOULD'VE DONE THAT.

BUT THEY'VE BEEN VERY UNFRIENDLY.

I'M NOT GONNA GO INTO EVERYTHING THAT HAS TRANSPIRED SINCE NOVEMBER, 2021.

BUT THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT NEIGHBORS.

I'M TELL I'M STANDING BEFORE YOU RIGHT NOW.

AND I'M TELLING YOU, I'VE LIVED IN SOME OF THE VERY AWFULLY CITIES IN THE UNITED STATES AND THESE ARE BY FAR THE MOST UNFRIENDLY NEIGHBORS I HAVE EVER HAD IN MY LIFE.

AND THAT'S IT.

YOU DO WHAT YOU WANT.

OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? IS THERE A MOTION? EXCUSE ME, MADAME CHAIR, I DON'T BELIEVE YOU CLOSED THE HEARING.

NOPE, YOU'RE RIGHT.

PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.

CALLERS, I'LL, I'LL JUST MENTION TO YOU, UH, COUNTY STAFF BASICALLY HAS A POLICY WHEN WE GET APPROACHED FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL REALLY, OR FOR ANY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, WE TELL THAT PROSPECTIVE APPLICANT THAT THEY MAYBE WANT TO REACH OUT TO THE NEIGHBORS, HAS A GOOD WILL MEASURE TO JUST LET THEM KNOW THAT THEY WILL BE, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY'RE APPLYING FOR THIS APPLICATION NO MATTER WHAT THE USE IS.

NO, IS THERE A MOTION? THANK YOU, MRS. JORDAN.

MS.

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I MEAN, TYPICALLY THAT'S WHAT WE DO.

UM, AND, AND, AND COUNTY STAFF HAS DONE THAT WITH THIS APPLICANT, JUST AS WE'VE DONE WITH ALL OTHERS.

UM, IF THERE IS A CASE WHERE A WAIVER MAY BE INCLUDED OR REQUESTED, WE TYPICALLY ASK THAT APPLICANT TO PROVIDE SOME SORT OF DOCUMENTATION, A LETTER OR SOMETHING FROM THE NEIGHBOR WHO'S CLOSEST PROPERTY ALONG WITH THEIR APPLICATION, JUST BASICALLY TO SAY, OKAY, IT'S OKAY.

UM, WE DID NOT RECEIVE THAT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE.

WE'VE RECEIVED IT IN OTHER CASES.

AND WE MOVE FORWARD.

MS. SIMON REQUESTED US THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE APPLICATION, WHICH WE HAVE.

UM, SO, UH, I JUST WANTED TO SAY FROM A STANDARD OF, OR STANDARD PROCEDURAL INFORMATION THAT WE PROVIDE TO NEW APPLICANTS FOR ANY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT STAFF, WE, YOU KNOW, STAFF KIND OF DID THEIR JOB NOTIFYING THIS PARTICULAR APPLICANT OF, OF WHAT THE PROCESS WOULD BE.

SO THAT'S ALL.

HAS THIS, UM, FROM HEARING, HAS THIS BEEN USED AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL WITHOUT THE CONDITIONAL USE? UM, OKAY.

WE, WE DID NOT SEE IT ADVERTISED.

UM, YOU KNOW, ONLINE, SO.

IS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 2022 DASH OH EIGHT DASH OH THREE STACY L LOCKHART FOR PRIVATE USE CAMPING NON-COMMERCIAL LOCATED OFF HARRIS DRIVE AND IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 21 C SECTION THREE.

UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? AND IF NOT, ARE WE READY TO MAKE A MOTION? MADAME CHAIR, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DENIED THE CONDITION OF USE PERMIT REQUEST FROM ELIZABETH A SEAMEN FOR THE SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL, UH, AND LISTS THE REASONS OF UM, WE HAVE A SETBACK.

IT ISN'T MET.

MR. A SECOND.

SECOND.

ROLL HOME MRS. SHIRAI.

MR. MABE.

AYE.

MADAM CHAIR? AYE.

MRS. OATS AYE MR. BUTLER AYE.

MOTION UH, CONDITIONAL PERMIT IS DENIED AND WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, WHICH

[E. Conditional Use Permit 2022-08-03 – Stacy L. Lockhart for Private Use Camping (NonCommercial) Located off Harris Drive and Identified on Tax Map 21C, Section 3, Lot 2 – Chase Lenz]

LOT TWO MR. LENS.

THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR PRIVATE USE CAMPING ON A LOT IN THE BOWLING PO MANGAN ARROWS TRACKED SUBDIVISION WHICH IS LOCATED IN THE SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA.

THE APPLICANT PURCHASED THE LOT IN JULY OF 2014 AND THE VACANT LOT IS MOSTLY CLEARED WITH A WOODED PORTION TOWARD THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY NEAR HARRIS DRIVE.

THE APPLICANT CURRENTLY HAS A RECREATIONAL CAMPER PARKED ON THE PROPERTY.

UM, AND THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WOULD ALLOW THE OWNER TO ERECT A SINGLE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE UP TO 200 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE FOR STORAGE OF RECREATIONAL AND PROPERTY MAINTENANCE EQUIPMENT UPON ISSUANCE OF A BUILDING PERMIT.

UM, THE PROPERTY IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL ONE AS I MENTIONED, IS CURRENTLY VACANT, UM, IN ALL LOTS IN THE BOWLING POLE.

MANARA TRACT SUBDIVISION ARE LOCATED ENTIRELY WITHIN THE SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA ZONE AE A PORTION OF THE SUBDIVISION IS ALSO LOCATED WITHIN THE REGULATORY FLOODWAY.

UM, THIS PROPERTY HAS NOT HAD ANY PREVIOUS CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS ISSUED FOR USES IN THE RESIDENTIAL ONE ZONING DISTRICT.

UH, NOTICE OF INSPECTION WAS ISSUED TO THE PROPERTY OWNER IN 2015 AND A NOTICE OF VIOLATION IN OCTOBER OF 2021 REGARDING USE OF THE PROPERTY FOR PRIVATE USE CAMPING WITHOUT AN APPROVED CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN STORAGE OF A RECREATIONAL VEHICLE IN THE SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA.

UM, THE OWNER HAS SINCE COMMUNICATED WITH, WITH PLANNING STAFF AND APPLIED FOR THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO BRING THE PROPERTY INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE WARREN COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE.

AND JUST A NOTE OF THE 11 LOTS IN THE BOWLING POE MANGAN ERROR TRACT SUBDIVISION, ONLY THREE LOTS HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED WITH SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS AND ONE LOT HAS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT ALREADY FOR PRIVATE USE CAMPING AND THAT WAS ISSUED IN 2021.

UM, WHERE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IS CHALLENGING IN THE SUBDIVISION BECAUSE IT'S RESTRICTED IN THE REGULATORY FLOODWAY AND THERE'S A REQUIRED 50 FOOT SETBACK

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FROM THE EDGE OF THE REGULATORY FLOODWAY, WHICH ELIMINATES THE MAJORITY OF THE BUILDABLE AREA OF THE LOTS.

I INCLUDED THE SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS FOR, UH, RECREATIONAL VEHICLES WON'T GO OVER THOSE.

UM, BUT I WILL GO THROUGH THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS FOR RECOMMENDED CONDITION.

NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.

CONDITION NUMBER TWO.

MATERIALS ASSOCIATED WITH THE CAMPERS ARE TO BE STORED IN A NEAT AND ORDERLY FASHION DURING THE TIME OF THE USE OR TIME OF USE AND ARE TO BE REMOVED FROM THE SITE WHEN NOT IN USE.

NUMBER THREE, ANY DEVELOPMENT STRUCTURE OR FENCING SHALL REQUIRE A BUILDING AND ZONING PERMIT.

NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT SHALL POST THE PROPERTY WITH A LOT PARCEL NUMBER FOUR, FIRE AND EMERGENCY RESCUE SERVICES AND HAVE AN EMERGENCY EGRESS PLANNED FOR REMOVAL OF THE RECREATIONAL VEHICLES AND PORTABLE COMMODE PRIOR TO A PREDICTED FLOOD EVENT.

UM, WE RECEIVED COMMENTS FROM THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT WHICH WERE INCLUDED AS WELL, AS WELL AS A LETTER FROM A NEIGHBOR IN SUPPORT OF THE APPLICATION.

UM, THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.

JASON PROPERTY OWNER SET BEEN NOTIFIED, BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? NO, I THINK SO.

GOOD JOB, PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN.

ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION FOR MR. WENLING OR THE APPLICANT? IF NOT, MRS. SHIRAKI.

HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR THIS? WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM AT THIS TIME? SECOND CALL.

ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK? THIRD AND FINAL CALL PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? NOT IS THERE MOTION ADAM.

CHAIR I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE CONDITIONER USE PERMIT REQUEST BY STACY LOCKHART FOR, UH, PRIVATE USE CAMPING NON-COMMERCIAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF.

SECOND.

MOTION PASSES CONDITIONAL

[F. Conditional Use Permit 2022-08-04 – Jaden and Tori Walter for a Short-Term Tourist Rental Located at 80 River Oak Drive and Identified on Tax Map 35B, Section 1, Lot K – Matt Wendling]

USE PERMIT 2022 DASH OH EIGHT DASH OH FOUR JAYDEN AND TORY WALTER FOR SHORT TERM TAURUS RENTAL LOCATED AT 80 RIVER OAK DRIVE AND IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 35 B SECTION ONE.

LOT K MR. WENLING? YES.

UH, THESE APPLICANTS HAVE PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY AS AN INVESTMENT FOR AS A SECOND HOME FOR IN FOR USES A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL IN JUNE OF 2022.

THE PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE CONTACTED, UH, A CLEANING SERVICE AND PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY AND PROVIDED HIM, UH, CONTACT INFORMATION FOR LOCAL CONTACT IN CASE OF EMERGENCY.

THEY DO PLAN TO BE INVOLVED WITH THE MANAGEMENT OF THE PROPERTY AND WE WILL OVERSEE WHO WILL BE RENTING THE PROPERTY ALONG WITH THE ONLINE RENTAL SERVICE.

UM, PROPERTY DOES MEET THE HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK.

IT'S 375 FEET TO ANY ADJACENT DWELLING.

UM, RIVER SUBDIVISION WAS NOTIFIED BUT THEY PROVIDED US NO COMMENTS.

UM, THEY HAVE SUPPORTED THESE IN THE PAST.

THERE CURRENTLY ARE THREE ACTIVE, ONE THAT'S GRANDFATHERED AND ONE THAT'S INACTIVE, EXPIRED.

UM, PRETTY QUIET LITTLE SUBDIVISION.

UM, IT IS GATED BUT UM, THAT HAS NOT BEEN AN ISSUE WITH, UH, THE POA IN THE PAST.

SO, UM, COUNTY STAFF IS RECOMMENDING ALL THE STANDARD CONDITIONS AND CONDITION NUMBER TWO STATES THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED SIX AS DETERMINED ACCORDING THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATIONAL PERMIT ISSUED FOR A THREE BEDROOM DWELLING.

THE UH, PLANNING COMMISSION MOVED THIS FORWARD WITH THEIR, UH, RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL WITH A VOTE OF FOUR TO OH NOTHING AND, UH, PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.

JASON PROPERTY OWNERS ARE NOTIFIED.

THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE THIS EVENING AND I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN OR ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? MAY I ASK A QUESTION? MADAM CHAIR? YES.

HOW DID YOU HEAR ABOUT FRONT ROYAL AND WARREN COUNTY? AND IF YOU WOULD COME UP TO THE PODIUM PLEASE.

ONE OR BOTH? UM, I'M TORI WALTER AND MY UNCLE LIVES HERE, SO WE CAME TO VISIT HIM LIKE FIVE YEARS AGO AND I'D SEEN THE AREA BEFORE AND

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THEN WE WERE THINKING ABOUT GETTING A SECOND HOME AND WE WERE TRAVELING AROUND AND WE CAME HERE THREE MONTHS AGO TO DO SOME HOUSE SHOPPING AND WE JUST ARE BOTH IN LOVE WITH THE AREA.

DO YOU PLAN ON USING THIS OR IS IT JUST AN INVESTMENT? UM, WE PLAN ON USING IT TOO.

AND YOU LIVE IN WASHINGTON STATE? YEAH.

AND IT TOOK YOU FIVE YEARS TO GET BACK HERE? IT DID.

IT TOOK SOME SAVING .

THANK YOU .

ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR THIS ONE? MRS. ROCKY? NO MA'AM.

WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ONE AT THIS TIME? SECOND CALL.

ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK? THIRD AND FINAL CALL PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.

ANY DISCUSSION? I DID YOURS.

SORRY.

IS THERE A MOTION? I THINK THE COMPUTERS ARE SLOWING DOWN OUR MOTIONS.

HUH? ? YEAH.

HOLD ON.

ALL RIGHT, I'LL MOVE.

I MOVE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST OF JAYDEN INVENTORY WALTER FOR A SHORT TERM TER RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF.

NEXT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

AND MY REASON FOR NO, SINCE WE HAVE TO LIST, I I FEEL IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A PERSONAL USE THAT THIS IS JUST AN INVESTMENT AND I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE WARREN COUNTY SHOULD BE JUST AN INVESTMENT.

UH, I THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOME PERSONAL BUY-IN.

SO FOR ME IT'S A NO.

MRS. OATS.

I, MR. BUTLER? NO.

SO NOW WE HAVE A QUANDARY.

[G. Conditional Use Permit 2022-08-05 – Vesta Property Management (Dorotea Rutherford) for a Short-Term Tourist Rental Located at 194 Venus Branch Road and Identified on Tax Map 15E, Section 4, Block 4, Lot 144 – Chase Lenz]

2022 DASH OH EIGHT DASH OH FIVE VISTA PROPERTY MANAGEMENT, DOROTHEA RUTHERFORD FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL LOCATED AT 1 94 VENUS BRANCH ROAD AND IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 15 E SECTION FOUR BLOCK FOUR.

LOT 1 44 MR. LANCE.

LOT OF FOURS THERE.

THANK YOU MADAME CHAIR.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER WHO PURCHASED THE PROPERTY IN SEPTEMBER OF 2021.

THE OWNER WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR SHORT TERM STAYS FOR INDIVIDUALS VISITING THE WARREN COUNTY AREA AND THE APPLICANT PROVIDES PROPERTY MANAGEMENT AND HANDYMAN SERVICES FOR RENTAL PROPERTIES THROUGHOUT THE SHENANDOAH VALLEY AREA AND WILL SERVE AS THE PROPERTY MANAGER FOR THIS SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL.

UH, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE SHENANDOAH FARM SUBDIVISION.

THERE HAVE BEEN NO PREVIOUS CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS ISSUED FOR USES IN THE RESIDENTIAL ONE ZONING.

DISTRICT SWELLING WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1968 AND NO ZONING VIOLATIONS HAVE BEEN RECORDED FOR THE PROPERTY.

THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT ON FILE APPROVING A MAXIMUM OF SIX OCCUPANTS FOR THE DWELLING IN THREE BEDROOMS. UM, AND THE DWELLING DOES MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT TO ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS WITH THE CLOSEST DWELLING 165 FEET TO THE SOUTHWEST.

UM, IT IS THE STANDARD RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS, UH, WITH CONDITION NUMBER TWO.

THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED SIX AS DETERMINED ACCORDING TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT FOR A THREE BEDROOM DWELLING.

UM, THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED, ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED.

UM, WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE APPLICANT TONIGHT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

THE OWNER DOES SIGN, UM, AND WE DID GET A SIGNED APPLICATION WITH THE OWNER'S SIGNATURE ON IT.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. WENLING OR THE APPLICANT'S ADVOCATE AT THIS TIME? MRS. SHIRAKI, IS ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR THIS ONE? NO MA'AM.

ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME ON THIS ITEM? SO I CAN YOU, CAN I ASK A REALLY QUICK QUESTION VEST OF, SO THERE'S A PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY APPLYING FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT ON BEHALF OF AN APPLICANT? THAT'S CORRECT, YES.

UH, THE CODE, HOW DOES THAT WORK? ? YEAH, SO THE CODE DOESN'T SPEAK TO WHO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICANT HAS TO BE.

UM, THE APPLICATION ITSELF,

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AND WHERE ARE THEY LOCATED? VESTA? I BELIEVE THEY'RE IN TOWN.

I'M SORRY, THE, THE APPLICANT OR THE OWNER? THE OWNER.

UH, I DO NOT KNOW.

DO YOU? UM, MY NAME IS CHLOE PHILLIPS.

I'M THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR FASA.

WE'RE AT 20 EAST EIGHTH STREET HERE IN FRONT ROYAL.

I BELIEVE THE OWNERS, UM, GOT TO TONIGHT.

THEY BOTH ARE LOCATED WITHIN THE NORTHERN VIRGINIA AREA.

UM, THIS APPLICANT PARTICULAR, UM, THEY ARE QUITE HERE OFTEN.

UM, THEY ARE VERY CLOSE WITH THE CHRISTIAN NO COMMUNITY COLLEGE.

UM, AND I BELIEVE SHE'S ALUMNI AND IS HERE VERY OFTEN, UM, AT THE DWELLING.

AND THERE'S NOT MANY TIMES THAT I WILL THINK THAT GUESTS ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE THERE BECAUSE THE FAMILY USES IT MOST OF THE TIME.

THANK YOU MADAME CHAIR.

I JUST WANTED TO TO TO CLARIFY WHEN YOU'RE SAYING THE FAMILY USES IT MOST OF THE TIME.

SO THEN THIS IS THIS NOT A DWELLING THAT SOMEBODY HAS PURCHASED AND THAT THEY'RE USING FOR AN INVESTMENT.

I'VE LOST TRACK OF WHERE I AM NOW.

DID I ASK YOU IF ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR THIS? MRS. ROCKY? YES MA'AM.

AND NO ONE HAS SIGNED UP.

ANYONE ELSE WANNA SPEAK ON THIS ITEM AT THIS TIME? SECOND CALL.

ANYONE WANNA SPEAK? THIRD AND FINAL CALL PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? I, I MISSED IT ONE MORE TIME.

WHEN DID THE, WHEN DID MS. RUTH ANDERSON BUY THIS HOUSE? I'M SORRY, ONE MORE TIME.

WHEN DID SHE BUY THE HOUSE? I THINK IT'S, SEE THIS ONE WAS, I MEAN I, I KNOW IT'S HERE, I CAN GO THROUGH IT BUT IT WAS SEPTEMBER, 2021 ACCORDING TO MY NOTES.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION? COMPUTERS ARE SLOW.

ADAM CHAIR, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST FOR VESTA PROPERTIES MANAGEMENT FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF.

MOTION PASSES CONDITIONAL

[H. Conditional Use Permit 2022-08-06 – Vesta Property Management (Chad and Donna Anthony) for a Short-Term Tourist Rental Located 86 McCoys Ford Road and Identified on Tax Map 36C, Section 1, Block 3, Lots 29 and 30 – Chase Lenz]

USE PERMIT 2022 DASH OH EIGHT DASH OH SIX VISTA PROPERTY MANAGEMENT CHAD AND DONNA ANTHONY FOR A SHORT-TERM TAURUS RENTAL LOCATED AT 86 MCCOY'S FORD ROAD IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 36 C SECTION ONE BLOCK THREE LOTS 29 AND 30 MR LENS.

THANK YOU MADAME CHAIR.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY ON BEHALF OF THE OWNERS.

LIKE THE LAST APPLICATION, UH, IN THIS CASE, THE OWNER PURCHASED THE PROPERTY IN AUGUST OF 2017.

UH, AND THEY LIKE TO MAKE THE PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR SHORT TERM STAYS FOR INDIVIDUALS VISITING THE WARREN COUNTY AREA.

AND AGAIN, THE APPLICANT PROVIDES PROPERTY MANAGEMENT AND HANDYMAN SERVICES FOR RENTAL PROPERTIES IN THE AREA AND THEY WILL SERVE AS THE PROPERTY MANAGER FOR THIS SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL.

UM, SO THIS DWELLING IS LOCATED IN THE HAYNES ANDERSON.

THUNDERBIRD FARM SUBDIVISION IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL.

THE PROPERTY HAS NOT HAD ANY PREVIOUS CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS ISSUED FOR USES IN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT.

AND THIS DWELLING WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1983.

NO ZONING VIOLATIONS HAVING BEEN RECORDED FOR THIS PROPERTY.

UH, THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT CONSTRUCTION PERMIT AND A RECORD OF INSPECTION ON FILE APPROVING A MAXIMUM OF SIX OCCUPANTS FOR THE DWELLING.

UM, AND THERE ARE THREE BEDROOMS IN THE DWELLING.

LET'S SEE.

AND, UH, COMMENTS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED FROM THE THUNDERBIRD FARMS POA INDICATING THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS HAS NO OPINION FOR OR AGAINST THE PROPOSED USE.

THEY DID INCLUDE, UM, A LETTER OF COMMENTS.

I BELIEVE THEY HAD A RECOMMENDATION FOR A CONDITION, UM, FOR YOU TO REVIEW.

UM, AND THE DWELLING DOES MEET

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THE MINIMUM SETBACK REQUIREMENT TO ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS WITH THE CLOSEST DWELLING 268 FEET TO THE NORTHWEST.

THIS IS THE STANDARD RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WITH CONDITION NUMBER TWO.

THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED SIX AS DETERMINED ACCORDING TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT FOR A THREE BEDROOM DWELLING.

UM, AGAIN, THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO LAST ONE.

THE PROPERTY MANAGER IS THE APPLICANT ON BEHALF OF THE OWNERS.

UM, BUT THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.

ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED.

AGAIN, A REPRESENTATIVE HERE FOR THE APPLICANT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING AT THIS TIME? OKAY.

PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN AND I HAVE THIS, YOU MIGHT AS WELL COME ON UP CUZ I HAVE THE SAME QUESTION.

I, I KNOW YOU MENTIONED IT BEFORE, BUT SO THAT WE HAVE IT DOCUMENTED FOR EACH ONE, UM, THE OWNER DO IT, THEY DO USE IT THEMSELVES.

SO CHLOE PHILLIPS 20 EAST EIGHTH STREET.

UM, SO THESE PROPERTY OWNERS PARTICULAR, THEY PURCHASED A PROPERTY IN 2017 AND IT WAS ACTUALLY THEIR PRIMARY RESIDENT DUE TO COVID AND THEM WORKING IN THE CITY.

THEY ACTUALLY PURCHASED A SECOND HOME IN THE CITY, UM, DURING THE TIME OF COVID AND USED IT AS THEIR OWN PRIMARY RENTAL WHEN THEY WERE ABLE TO COME TO WARREN COUNTY.

UM, AT THIS TIME THEY'RE CURRENTLY BACK AT THE PROPERTY AS A PRIMARY RESIDENCE, BUT THEY WANNA HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY OF GOING TO THE CITY WHEN THEY NEED TO FOR WORK BEING GONE LIKE A WEEK AT A TIME.

IF SO, SO, SO THEY'RE BASICALLY SPLITTING THEIR TIME BETWEEN THIS HOUSE AND THE, AND THE CITY.

I WOULD SAY THEY'RE THERE.

IT'S A ROUGHLY THEY'RE GONE 20% OUT OF THE YEAR.

SO I MEAN THEY'RE THERE WITH OCCUPANCY OF LIKE 70% OF THE YEAR.

UM, IT WOULD ONLY BE LIKE A WEEK, A RANDOM WEEK OUT OF A TIME IF THEY DECIDED TO USE IT AS A AIRBNB IF THEY DO SO.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? SO THEN THAT MORE OR LESS THIS IS, THIS IS JUST TO PROVIDE THEM SOME FLEXIBILITY.

THEY'RE NOT SAYING, OH WE'RE GONNA USE THIS AS AN AIRBNB, YOU KNOW? CORRECT.

UM, THEY JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE IT TO WHERE IN THE CASE THEY DO WANT TO USE IT FOR THAT WEEK THAT THEY ARE GONE.

THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, DISOBEYING THE RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT EVERYBODY ELSE DOES HAVE TO GO THROUGH.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO.

THANK YOU MA'AM.

THANK YOU MRS. SHIRAKI.

IS ANYONE SIGNED UP? NO MA'AM.

WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM AT THIS TIME? SECOND CALL.

ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK? THIRD AND FINAL CALL PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.

ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? NOT IS THERE A MOTION? MADAME CHAIR, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST FROM THIS TO PROPERTY MANAGEMENT FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF.

CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 20 22 8 7 JEFFREY STEVEN TAYLOR FOR PRIVATE USE CAMPING NON-COMMERCIAL LOCATED OFF HOUSE ROAD AND IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 15 H SECTION FIVE LOTS.

[I. Conditional Use Permit 2022-08-07 – Jeffrey Steven Taylor for Private Use Camping (NonCommercial) Located off Howellsville Road and Identified on Tax Map 15H, Section 5, Lots 10 and 11 – Matt Wendling]

10 AND 11 MR. WENLING.

YES, THE APPLICANT IS, UH, APPLYING FOR THIS FOR, UH, HIS TWO VACANT LOTS THAT ARE LOCATED IN SHENDO FARM SUBDIVISION.

THESE LOTS ARE ALSO LOCATED IN THE SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA.

UH, FLOOD ZONE A THEY HAVE A 1% ANNUAL CHANCE OF FLOODING ACCORDING TO THE FLOOD INSURANCE RATE MAPS.

UH, THE APPLICANT DID PURCHASE THE LOT IN JUNE OF 2021 FOR USES OF RECREATIONAL ALLOW FOR CAMPING NEAR THE RIVER ON THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS MOSTLY WOODED.

UM, THE APPLICANT WAS UNAWARE HE NEEDED A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND WAS NOTIFIED OF THAT WHEN HE REQUESTED TO GET ELECTRIC SERVICE FOR HIS CAMPER.

UM, AND TO, UH, IT WOULD ALLOW HIM ALSO TO A ERECT A SINGLE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE UP TO 200 SQUARE FEET FOR STORAGE OF RECREATIONAL PROPERTY MAINTENANCE EQUIPMENT WITH THE ISSUANCE OF A BUILDING AND ZONING PERMIT.

UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION MOVED THIS FORWARD WITH THEIR DENIAL

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DUE TO SOME OF WHAT THEY HEARD FROM THE ADJA ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.

UM, THE PROPERTY HAD BEEN SOMEWHAT UN UH, WELL UNKEMPT, SO UNKEPT, UM, AND HE HAD AN INOPERABLE, WELL IT WASN'T IN INOPERABLE VEHICLE, IT WAS A VEHICLE THAT HE WAS NOT ABLE TO GET LICENSED.

I BELIEVE THAT WAS HOW WE WORDED IT.

OR, UM, SO IT HAD SAT THERE.

THE CAMPER WAS, UM, EASILY VISIBLE FROM THE ROAD AND FROM ADJACENT PROPERTIES AND ADJACENT HOMES.

UM, AND THE REASON FOR THE DENIAL WAS THAT THE COMMUNITY, THE IMMEDIATE COMMUNITY WAS UH, MORE THAN 50% BUILT OUT.

THERE WERE NO OTHER CAMPING LOTS THAT WERE NEARBY THE PROPERTY ITSELF A BUTTS, UH, THE POS AT, UH, SHINDO FARMS PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION LOT, WHICH IS BETWEEN THE, THESE LOTS AND THE RIVER.

UM, AND SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION JUST FELT THAT BECAUSE, UM, THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS, UM, WOULD BE SEEING THIS, THEY FELT THAT THEY, IT WAS NOT AN APPROPRIATE LOCATION AND THEY VOTED TO DENY IT.

IF THE BOARD DOES CHOOSE TO, UH, APPROVE IT, UH, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.

NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.

NUMBER TWO, MATERIALS ASSOCIATED WITH THE CAMPERS ARE TO BE STORED IN A NEAT AND ORDERLY FASHION DURING THE TIME OF USE AND ARE TO BE REMOVED FROM THE SITE WHEN NOT IN USE.

NUMBER THREE, ANY DEVELOPMENT STRUCTURE OR FENCING SHALL REQUIRE A BUILDING AND ZONING PERMIT.

NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT SHALL POST THE PROPERTY WITH A LOT OF PARCEL NUMBER FOR FIRE AND EMERGENCY RESCUE SERVICES AND HAVE AN EMERGENCY EGRESS PLAY IN FOR REMOVAL OF ANY RECREATIONAL VEHICLES AND OR PORTABLE COMMODES PRIOR TO A PREDICTED FLOOD EVENT.

UM, COUNTY STAFF HAS PROVIDED YOU WITH RECENT PHOTOS THAT WERE TAKEN OF THE PROPERTY.

I BELIEVE THE CAMPER WAS REMOVED.

UH, THE VEHICLE'S STILL THERE AND SOME, UM, ADDITIONAL ITEMS, UM, PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.

ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFY THAT MR. TAYLOR IS HERE THIS EVENING TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? YES.

UM, JEFF TAYLOR, ONE 19 SOVEREIGN COURT WINCHESTER, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO START.

UH, I DID REMOVE THE CAMPER.

I HAVE CLEANED UP THE PROPERTY.

UM, I BELIEVE THE VEHICLE MR. WENDLING REFERRING TO IS A OH TWO TUNDRA.

THAT'S OPERATIONAL.

IT JUST HAS AN EXPIRED INSPECTION STICKER IS ALL, I HAVE IT REGISTERED TILL 2023.

UH, I KNOW THIS IS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU GUYS, BUT FOR TWO YEARS VIRGINIA WOULDN'T GIMME A DRIVER'S LICENSE AND I COULDN'T DRIVE AND I COULDN'T EVEN TAKE THE VEHICLE OFF THE PROPERTY TO GO GET IT INSPECTED.

UM, THAT BEING SAID, I I DON'T EVEN WANT TO CAMP THERE.

THIS IS A PLACE WHERE I WANT TO JUST SLOWLY DEVELOP IT.

I CAME HERE.

I KNOW THIS GENTLEMAN WAS ASKING, WHY ARE YOU HERE? I COME HERE FROM CALIFORNIA BECAUSE MY AUNT WAS DYING AND MY COUSIN AND HIS BROTHER AND HIS WIFE WERE JUST OVERWHELMED WITH IT.

I CAME OUT, WE BOUGHT A HOUSE TOGETHER IN WINCHESTER.

I'M, I WANTED A PLACE TO ESCAPE CUZ THERE ARE DAYS WHEN ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE HOUSE AND I JUST WANTED A, I CALL IT A NOTHING BOX WHERE I CAN JUST GO DOWN AND NOT HAVE A LOT OF INPUT.

I DON'T WANNA SLEEP THERE.

I DON'T WANT A CAMP THERE.

I WANT ELECTRICITY SO THAT IF I HAVE POWER TOOLS, I CAN USE THEM.

UH, I WANT TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY BY CUTTING DOWN THE UNDERBRUSH, BUT LEAVE THE NICE TREES AND UM, JUST SLOWLY DEVELOP IT.

BUT HAVE IT BE A PLACE WHERE I CAN GO AND JUST GET AWAY FROM THE HECTICNESS OF OUR HOUSE.

UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY.

LIKE I SAY, I'VE CLEARED THE CAMPER'S GONE, THE PLACE IS CLEANED UP.

UM, AND LIKE I SAY, I JUST WANT MY ELECTRICITY.

I DON'T EVEN HAVE A PLAN WHAT TO PUT THERE YET BECAUSE I HAVE TO KIND OF, WE MY WAY THROUGH THIS PERMIT PROCESS AND I'M NOT SURE WHICH DIRECTION TO GO YET, BUT, UM, I'VE ALREADY PUT $9,000 INTO JUST GETTING ELECTRICITY AND I HAVE NOTHING NOW.

I HATE TO THINK I MADE A MISTAKE THAT WAY.

UM, AND I'M OPEN TO QUESTIONS.

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PUBLIC HEARINGS NOW OPEN.

ARE THERE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME? I HAVE A QUESTION.

WHY ARE WE CONSIDERING IT FOR PRIVATE CAMPING USE IF HE DOESN'T WANT TO CAMP ON IT? OUR FLOOD PLANT OVERLAY DISTRICT ORDINANCE REQUIRES THAT ON VACANT LOTS IN THE SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA, A PRIMARY USE FOR RECREATION BE ESTABLISHED.

AND THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THAT IS THROUGH THE USE OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN ORDER FOR THE APPLICANT TO BUILD ANY TYPE OF ACCESSORY STRUCTURE OR GET ANY KIND OF PERMITS FOR THE PROPERTY OTHER THAN A A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING PERMIT.

YOU KNOW, HE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT IF HE WANTED TO BUILD A HOUSE.

WHOLE DIFFERENT USE.

THAT'S YOUR PRINCIPLE USE.

THIS PRINCIPLE USE IS A RECREATIONAL USE.

WE HAVE MANY OF THESE IN, YOU KNOW, ALONG THE RIVER.

THIS ISN'T DIRECTLY ON THE RIVER.

THAT'S KIND OF WHAT DOES MAKE THIS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.

IT'S NOT DIRECTLY ON THE RIVER OR YOU KNOW, IT IT, IT, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE P S F PROPERTY TO GET TO THE RIVER.

BUT, UM, AND IT, IT, YOU KNOW, IT IS IN THE SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA.

SO THIS WOULD ALLOW HIM NOT ONLY TO CAMP, IF HE CHOSE TO CAMP, HE COULD PUT A CAMPER THERE SIX MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR AND, AND, UH, WOULD JUST HAVE TO BE ROADWORTHY.

BUT IT WOULD ALLOW HIM TO APPLY FOR THAT BUILDING PERMIT, GET THE PERMIT FOR HIS ELECTRICAL, AND THEN AT SOME POINT IN TIME HE COULD PUT A STRUCTURE IN, WHETHER IT BE A, A PAVILION OR, OR A STORAGE SHED.

NOT SOMETHING HE COULD LIVE IN, BUT, BUT A STORAGE SHED FOR STORAGE OF MATERIALS, UM, WITH A BUILDING AND ZODY PERMIT.

SO THIS ESTABLISHES THAT PRINCIPLE USE OF RECREATIONAL USE.

SO HE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING.

IT'S JUST AN, AN ACCESSORY BUILDING OR A PAVILION WITH THIS USE.

NOW IF HE CHOOSES AT SOME POINT IN TIME TO BUILD THAT HOUSE, THEN BASICALLY IT OVERRIDES THE CONDITIONAL USE.

IT, IT IT'S THE PRINCIPLE USE OF THE PROPERTY BEING IN THE FLOOD ZONE, FLOOD OVERLAY.

CAN HE BUILD A HOUSE THERE OF, OF THAT? HE CAN, HE CAN BUILD IT.

THE HOUSE IS FAR ENOUGH AWAY FROM THE RIVER THAT, UH, IT WOULDN'T, NOT, IT'S, IT'S NOT IN THE FLOODWAY.

OKAY, OKAY.

WE ONLY PROHIBIT IN THE FLOODWAY.

UH, BUT HE WOULD HAVE TO ELEVATE THE HOUSE APPROPRIATELY WITH FLOOD VENTS AND THAT KIND OF THING.

SO BUILD ACCORDING TO THE RULES FOR THE FLOOD PLAIN.

GOOD.

SO, SO BASICALLY YOU'RE SAYING THAT IF YOU WANTED TO BUILD A HOUSE, IT WOULD BE BY RIGHT? THAT'S A BY, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY.

YOU COULD DO ONE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME? WHEN WERE THESE PICTURES TAKEN? I THINK JUST A COUPLE DAYS AGO I'VE, UH, ASKED YOU SAID OR YESTERDAY? MAYBE YESTERDAY.

HOW COME THE, HOW COME IT LOOKS LIKE TRASH IS ALL OVER EVERYWHERE.

I'M, I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING YOUR DEFINITION OF TRASH.

WELL THERE IS THIS, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE TARP WITH THIS COVERING THE PLYWOOD? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT THERE'S PLYWOOD UNDER THAT.

THAT IS WHAT? THAT, THAT'S WHAT THAT IS.

IT'S YOU'VE, YOU'VE GOT PIECES OF WOOD, YOU'VE GOT GAS TANKS, YOU'VE GOT STUFF IN AND AROUND YOUR AREA.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT I BELIEVE THAT YOU'RE DOING AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ALSO WANT A PLACE TO GO, BUT I LOOKED AT THAT TARP AND SAW A, UH, A PLACE WHERE YOU WERE SLEEPING.

THAT'S WHAT I LOOKED AT.

SO I DIDN'T KNOW.

NOW I DO, I CAN APPRECIATE IT BETTER.

I MAY NOT LIKE THE WAY THAT IT LOOKS, BUT THAT'S MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION.

UH, ALL I CAN SAY IS, IS THAT AS SOON AS I CAN GET ELECTRICITY AND THEN GET A PERMIT TO BUILD A STRUCTURE LIKE I THINK MR. WENDLING IS TALKING ABOUT, I CAN PUT ALL THAT STUFF AWAY.

SO THE ELECTRIC THAT'S ON THE POLE THERE AND THE ONE PICTURE IS NOT WORKABLE.

THERE'S NO SERVICE ON IT, THERE'S NO SERVICE ON IT AT THIS TIME.

BUT YOU PAID $9,000 TO GET SERVICE THERE? YES.

UM, IT WAS THE SAME WITH, UH, WATERLOO ELECTRIC TO PUT IN THE SERVICE POLE.

NOW I'M CONFUSED.

THEY, YOU, THEY TOOK YOUR MONEY BUT DIDN'T GIVE YOU THE SERVICE? WELL THEY, I FIGURED I, THEY THOUGHT, I GUESS THAT I KNEW WHAT I WAS DOING , AND I GUESS I DIDN'T, I MEAN IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE RAPPAHANNOCK ELECTRIC AND CAN, THEY JUST SAID, YEAH, SURE, WE'LL PUT IT IN FOR YOU.

NO PROBLEM, .

AND,

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AND, UM, I THINK THIS CAN WORK OUT.

I JUST NEED TO DO WHATEVER YOU NEED ME TO DO TO GET IT GOING, AND I'M WILLING TO DO THAT.

I'M JUST, I'M HERE, JUST HELP YOU OUT TO UNDERSTAND WHERE I WANT TO GO WITH THIS.

I I, I DO ULTIMATELY WANT TO BUILD A HOUSE.

MY AUNT'S GONNA DIE.

I, THERE'LL BE NO NEED FOR EXTRA HELP AROUND THE HOUSE.

AND YOU KNOW, I LOVE HERE.

I LOVE IT HERE.

I CAME HERE IN 2012 TO VISIT MY COUSIN AND I'VE BEEN BACK SEVERAL DIFFERENT TIMES.

AND THEN WHEN ROSETTA GOT SICK, I HAD, I HAD NO PROBLEM COMING BACK HERE.

I HAD RETIRED FROM TEACHING IN CALIFORNIA AND I QUITE FRANKLY WAS LOOKING TO GET OUT OF THERE.

SO I'M HOPING I'M NOT JUMPING INTO A BIG REGULATORY MESS LIKE I LIVE, NOT THAT THIS IS , BUT, UM, I I I I'M AT A LOSS TO WHAT TO TELL YOU BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE REALLY WHERE I FIT IN YET.

SO, SO MR. WENLING, THAT, UH, I GUESS THAT THE REASON WHY THEY'VE GOT THE, THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THIS IS SO THAT, UH, IF YOU WANT TO COME IN AND BUILD A HOUSE, WELL, YOU'VE GOTTA GO THROUGH A VETTING PROCESS ON WHEN YOU BUILD THE HOUSE BECAUSE YOU'VE GOTTA SUBMIT THE PLANS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

AM I CORRECT ON THAT? WELL, THAT'S FOR YOUR BY RIGHT USE.

YEAH, EXACTLY.

THAT'S FOR, SO YOU, YOU HAVE BUILDING PERMITS, YOU HAVE YOUR ZONING PERMIT, ANY ELECTRICAL, MECHANICAL, THAT KIND THING.

SO, SO THEN THE REASON WHY WE HAVE THE C U P ON SOMEBODY WANTING TO COME OVER AND CAMP MM-HMM.

IS SO THAT THEY DON'T COME OVER AND PUT UP A SHANDY TOWN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

YOU, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO PUT UP ANY ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ON A LOT, A VACANT LOT THAT'S IN THE SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA UNTIL NUMBER ONE, YOU'VE, YOU'VE BEEN APPROVED FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, WHICH ESTABLISHES THE RECREATIONAL USE.

AND THEN YOU HAVE, THEN, THEN YOU APPLY FOR THE BUILDING PERMIT AND ZONING PERMIT.

IN THIS CASE IT'S AN ELECTRICAL PERMIT.

THE ELECTRICAL PERMIT, THOSE DO NOT ACTUALLY GO THROUGH ZONING.

WE DON'T REVIEW THOSE.

BUT IN THIS CASE, THEY MIGHT DEFER TO US AND SAY, HEY, IS THIS OKAY? IT'S IN THE SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA.

AND THAT WOULD BE THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS DEPARTMENT.

AND, AND EITHER CHASE OR MYSELF WOULD, WOULD ADDRESS, WELL, WHAT'S IT FOR? UM, SO, SO, SO WHAT HAPPENS IF, IF WE DENY THE, THE, THE C U P, UH, UM, HE'D BE PRETTY MUCH STUCK WITH BEING ABLE TO JUST DO, UH, JUST BUILD DAY USE, YOU KNOW, PICNIC, THAT KIND OF THING, NOT OVERNIGHT, YOU KNOW, AND HE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PUT ANY ACCESSORY STRUCTURES UP, UH, UNLESS HE, HE BUILT A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING AND THEN THEY ARE ACCESSORY TO THAT.

SO, AND OF COURSE THEN WE GO BY OUR UNDERLYING ZONING REGULATIONS FOR THE NUMBER OF DWELLINGS, THE SIZE, THE HEIGHT, AND THE, THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.

IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, I, I, I WILL TELL YOU WITH PRIVATE USE CAMPING, BECAUSE THEY'RE TYPICALLY ADJACENT TO OTHER CAMPING LOTS OR LOTS, VACANT LOTS THAT PEOPLE WERE GONNA CAMP ON PREVIOUS APPLICATIONS, UM, YOU KNOW, SUBMITTED TO TO THE, TO THE COUNTY.

UM, THERE WAS NO ISSUES WITH THAT.

ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT FEMA WANTS US TO DO, IS THEY WANT US TO ENFORCE OUR REGULATIONS AND CONDITIONS ON PERMITS.

TYPICALLY, UM, YOU MAY HAVE A HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET, UM, BUT TYPICALLY IT WOULD BE THE ONES ADJACENT THE, THE LOTS ADJACENT TO IT.

IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION VIEWED THE APPLICATION WITH HAVING ADDITIONAL DWELLINGS ACROSS THE STREET AND ADJACENT TO IT TO IT.

AND I BELIEVE THEY WERE JUST SENSITIVE TO WHAT THEIR COMMENTS WERE IN REGARD TO PRIVATE USE CAMPING.

IN THE CASE OF THIS APPLICATION, UM, WE DO HAVE A, A, A CONDITION, WE'RE BACK TO OUR CONDITIONS.

MATERIALS ASSOCIATED WITH CAMPERS, UH, ARE TO BE STORED IN NEAT AND ORDERLY FASHION DURING TIME OF USE AND ORDER TO BE RE REMOVED FROM SITE WHEN NOT IN USE.

AND THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT ALSO HAS A STATEMENT OF THERE IS NO TRASH OR JUNK DEPO DISPOSED OF ON THE PROPERTY.

SO THIS WOULD BE A CASE WHERE I THINK IF IT WAS APPROVED, AND I'M JUST SAYING IF, UH, COUNTY STAFF WOULD MAYBE LOOK AT IT A LITTLE BIT MORE OFTEN THAN WE TYPICALLY DO, WE DO ANNUAL REVIEWS OF THE, THE LOTS.

UM, AND IF, AND, AND THIS IS AS A SIDE NOTE, IF THE COUNTY EVER IS TO PARTICIPATE IN THE COMMUNITY RATING SYSTEM THROUGH FEMA, WHICH WILL HELP HOPEFULLY WITH INSURANCE FOR FOLKS WHO HAVE FLOOD INSURANCE.

THESE

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SO WE WOULD, WE WOULD DEFINITELY MAKE SURE THAT MR. TAYLOR WAS COMPLIANT IF WE NEEDED TO GO THERE MORE OFTEN.

WE WOULD, UM, IF, IF HE WAS, IF THERE WAS AN ISSUE, IF IT WAS A CONSISTENT PATTERN OF NON-COMPLIANCE, IT GIVES US, UH, WE WOULD, WE WOULD TRACK THAT AND IT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK TO YOU THAT THE BOARD AND SAY, WE'RE GONNA REQUEST THE REVOCATION OF THE C.

SO, SO THEN IT WOULD BE A CASE WHERE SAY LIKE IF THE, IF THE NEIGHBORS CALLED UP AND SAID, OH, YOU KNOW THIS, IT'S GETTING WORSE AND WORSE AND HE IS, HE'S BRINGING STUFF IN AND THAT KIND AND YES.

AND, AND WE ARE, UM, RESPONSIVE TO THAT AND COMPLAINT BASED TYPICALLY, I MEAN WE, WE, WE DO A REVIEW ANNUALLY OF THE FLOOD PLAIN AND THESE PRIVATE USE CAMPING WHEN STAFF PERMIT, WHEN STAFF PERMITTED.

BUT IN A CASE LIKE THIS, CERTAINLY WE WOULD, WE WOULD GO OUT THERE WITHIN A DAY OR TWO, UM, TO SEE WHAT WAS UP AND WE WOULD NOTIFY, UM, MR. TAYLOR IN A LETTER, UM, THAT HE HAD SO MANY DAYS TO, TO CLEAN IT UP.

AND IF HE DID NOT, IF, AND THIS WOULD GO FOR ANY MANY, UH, PERMIT HOLDER.

IF THEY DID NOT, THEN IT GIVES US, UH, A REASON BASICALLY TO BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD AND, AND, AND REQUEST THE REVOCATION OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S A PATTERN OF NON-COMPLIANCE.

YOU KNOW, SO MR. TAYLOR'S GOAL, IF I'M HEARING HIM CORRECTLY, IS TO GET ELECTRIC ON THE PROPERTY, DOESN'T WANNA, WANNA CAMP THERE, DOESN'T WANT TO, HE JUST WANTS ELECTRIC.

RIGHT? SO THIS IS THE BEST ROUTE TO GET HIM ELECTRIC TO THE PROPERTY IS PRIVATE USE CAMPING.

IT, IT, IT, IT WOULD BE THIS ESTABLISH THE PRIVATE USE CAMPING USE AND THAT'S RECREATIONAL USE.

IT, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THE S STAY OVERNIGHT.

YOU CAN GO DOWN THERE AND, YOU KNOW, STAY DURING THE DAY.

THERE'S A COUPLE OF 'EM THAT WE HAVE IN SHANDO SHORES THAT ARE LIKE THAT CUZ THEY PROHIBIT, IT, PROHIBIT OVERNIGHT CAMPING.

UM, BUT HE WOULD DO THAT AND THEN IF THIS WAS GRANTED, HE COULD GET THAT ELECTRIC, UH, PERMIT, APPLY FOR HIS BUILDING ZONING, BUILDING PERMIT FOR THE ELECTRICAL.

AND THEN WHEN HE DECIDES WHAT DIRECTION HE WANTS TO GO, WHETHER HE WANTS TO DO A SHED OR A PAVILION OR SOMETHING THAT HE WANTS TO USE FOR DAY USE, HE COULD COME IN AND GET A BUILDING PERMIT, UH, UH, FOR THAT BUILDING AND ZONING PERMIT FOR THAT.

AND THEN HE WOULD HAVE THAT THEN AT SOME POINT IN TIME DOWN TO FUTURE, IN HIS LONG TERM PLANS, IF HE DOES WANNA BUILD A, A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING, HE COMES BACK TO THE COUNTY AND HE PERMITS THAT, UH, IT'S A BY RIGHT USE.

HE'S JUST GETTING HIS BUILDING ZONING PERMIT AND WHATEVER HE NEEDS.

AND SO HE'S ALREADY GOT THE ELECTRICAL ON SITE.

UH, HE MAY HAVE TO MOVE HIS, HIS ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, HE'LL HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT KIND OF WHEN IN HIS OVERALL PLANS FOR WHAT HE WANTS TO DO ON THE PROPERTY.

UM, BUT YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WITH A SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA, THERE ARE THESE REQUIREMENTS FOR AND REGULATIONS THAT WE HAVE BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE MORE, WE, WE DO NEED TO PROTECT THESE AREAS ESSENTIALLY.

AND, UH, CONSEQUENTLY A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE THESE VACANT LOTS WHO CAN'T, THEY, THEY WANT TO HAVE AT LEAST ONE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO STORE MAINTENANCE EQUIPMENT, TO STORE RECREATIONAL EQUIPMENT.

UM, UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL BECAUSE SOME OF 'EM WANT TO CONVERT THEM TO, UH, TO, UH, ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.

AND, AND THAT'S ONE THING WE, WE DO, UH, WANNA WATCH OUT FOR.

I I THINK THOSE ARE CALLED MAN CAVES.

MAN CAVES.

WELL, COULD BE THAT TOO.

IT'S, IT'S NONCOMMERCIAL STUFF.

AND, UH, IN ANY CASE, SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW, WITHOUT HEARING THE, THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE PUBLIC HAS TO SAY TONIGHT.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYBODY WHO'S HERE TO SPEAK.

UM, WE CAN CERTAINLY ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS.

IF THERE'S ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS YOU WOULD LIKE TO PUT ON, IT WOULD BE UP TO YOU.

WE COULD, WE COULD, UH, ADD A CONDITION THAT WE WOULD DO TWICE YEARLY INSPECTION, UM, FOR THE FIRST FIVE YEARS IF YOU WANTED THAT OR FOR A CERTAIN NUMBER OF TIME.

AND WE'D BE GLAD TO DO THAT.

STAFF CAN NOW DO THAT.

SO JUST TO THROW THAT OUT.

MAY I MAKE ANOTHER COMMENT? YES, SIR.

UM, PAGE TWO.

UH, THERE'S THIS TARP RIGHT HERE.

THERE'S TWO MOTORCYCLES UNDER THERE.

THOSE ARE MY PROJECT BIKES.

I, THERE IS NO POSSIBILITY OF ME WORKING ON THAT AT THE HOUSE WE'RE IN.

I NEED SOME SPACE AND NOBODY BOTHERING ME TO GET THAT SORT OF THING DONE.

AND I'M GONNA NEED ELECTRICITY FOR THAT.

I, UM, I MEAN, I HAVE A LOT OF LITTLE PROJECTS IN MIND.

IT'S JUST

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A MAN CAVE WITH THE LITTLE WORK EVERY NOW AND THEN THROWING IN.

UM, LIKE I SAY, I MEAN, IN MY VIEW, WHAT I WANT TO DO IS CLEAR OUT ALL THAT UNDERBRUSH, WHICH I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY THAT THINKS THAT LOOKS GOOD.

I CERTAINLY DON'T.

I WANT TO GET RID OF THE CEDAR TREES AND HAVE JUST THE BLACK WALNUTS.

UM, I HAVE A LOT OF PLANS FOR IT, BUT I DON'T, LIKE I SAY, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.

JUST SO THERE ARE MOTORCYCLES THERE NOW, SIR.

AM I IN MORE TROUBLE NOW? ? YEAH, , I THINK YOU MIGHT BE.

ARE THEY LICENSE ALL THE OIL AND THE GAS ARE DRAINED OUT OF 'EM.

HOW'S THAT? THAT'S HELPFUL, I'M SURE.

APPRECIATION.

THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME FOR MR. TAYLOR.

IS THIS SHIRAKI? HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? YES, MATT, I'M SURE.

SURE IF YOU WOULD, UM, YOU CAN HAVE THE SEAT AND WE WILL GIVE IT UP TO, UM, WHO'S SIGNED UP FOR THIS, JOHN CMAC.

OH MY GOODNESS.

GOOD EVENING.

JOHN CMAC 75 PAD TRACK LANE, UH, FRONT ROYAL 22 6 30.

AND MY PROPERTY RUNS DOWN PARALLEL TO THE SECOND PROPERTY ON THERE ON, ON, UH, PATTY TRACK LANE AND RUNS RIGHT DOWN IN, INTO THE CREEK.

UH, MY MAJOR CONCERN, I KNOW OTHER PEOPLE HAVE OTHER CONCERNS, MY MAJOR CONCERNS IS THIS.

I SEE BEHAVIOR OF MY NEIGHBOR OVER A PERIOD OF YEAR OR WHATEVER IT'S BEEN THAT IS EITHER THE MOST INNOCENT PERSON IN THE WORLD OR MOST MANIPULATIVE PERSON IN THE WORLD.

AND I HAVE NO IDEA, AND I HATE BEING HERE FOR THIS REASON, BUT I'M CONCERNED YOU RUN AN RV IN THERE, YOU'VE GOT A HOLDING TANK, WHICH IS THE REASON THAT YOU HAVE HOLDING TANKS IN RV TO HOLD SURGE.

AND EVERYBODY HAS TO PEE AND EVERYBODY HAS TO DEDICATE.

AND, UH, THE ONLY PLACE YOU CAN LEGALLY TAKE THAT RV IS SOME CAMPING PLACE AND THEN PAY SOMEBODY TO DUMP IT, WHICH IS INCONVENIENCE.

AND BASED ON THE BEHAVIOR THAT I'VE SEEN, I DON'T SEE SOMEBODY PULLING A AND IT'S A, IT'S, IT'S GOTTA BE A B***H TO PULL IN AND OUT OF THAT PROPERTY.

UH, IT'S RIGHT ON HALLSVILLE ROAD.

THERE'S A NICE SIGN THAT SAYS RECOMMENDED SPEED 35 MILES AN HOUR.

AND IT'S, UH, IN AVERAGE OF 50 55 AS THEY COME DOWN THE HILL.

IT'S GONNA BE REALLY HARD.

AND MY HEART GOES OUT TO HIM.

BUT I THINK HE'S MAKING SOME REALLY BAD CHOICES HERE IN THE USE OF THAT PROPERTY.

UH, I DON'T LIKE TO SEE SOMEBODY AT MIDNIGHT SMELLY IN THE TAN THING.

UH, GEE, MY GIRLFRIEND'S HERE.

I'M JUST GONNA DUMP A LITTLE BIT INTO THE CREEK.

I, I'M NEVER ACCUSING ANYBODY OF THAT, BUT IT'S A REAL TEMPTATION.

I LIVED ON A BOAT FOR 20 YEARS IN DIFFERENT PLACES AND THERE'S ALL KINDS OF RULES.

IT'S AGAINST THE LAW.

YOU CAN'T DO THIS.

YOU'LL GET ALL THESE FINES.

WELL, YOU COULD CHECK THE FECAL COLOR, THUMB VALUE IN THE CHESAPEAKE BAY AND OTHER TRIBUTARIES.

SO THAT'S MY CONCERN.

SURGE SEPTIC, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING DONE ABOUT THAT TO ASSURE THAT THERE'S NO DUMPING.

AND I'M SORRY TO HAVE TO EVEN SAY THAT.

I APOLOGIZE TO YOU, BUT, UH, I THINK YOU, I THINK OUR APPLICANT NEEDS TO GET HIS ACT TOGETHER.

ANYONE ELSE? MRS. SHROCK? YES MA'AM.

CHRIS CASTRO.

MY NAME'S CHRIS CASTRO.

56 38 VILLE ROAD.

MY PROPERTY IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM THESE TWO LOTS.

UM, AS I STATED, LAST TIME I MOVED INTO THE COMMUNITY ABOUT 18 YEARS AGO, UM, I PICKED THE HOUSE OUT.

IT WAS ALREADY BUILT AND I SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON IT.

I'VE WORKED THE LAST 18 YEARS BEAUTIFYING MY HOUSE OR MAKING IT BETTER LOOKING, MAKING IT APPEALING TO MY NEIGHBORS.

AND I DON'T WANNA LOSE MY INVESTMENT.

I'M

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READY TO RETIRE.

AND THIS IS MY SOFT STORY, BY THE WAY.

UM, I, I WORKED HARD FOR THIS AND WHEN MY PROPERTY VALUE GOES DOWN, IF I WANNA RETIRE SOMEWHERE ELSE, WHICH I DON'T PLAN ON, BUT MAYBE IF THAT DATA CENTER COMES IN, I MIGHT .

UM, BUT I GOT A FAMILY, I GOT A MOTHER-IN-LAW IN MY HOUSE RIGHT NOW AND I JUST, I WORKED SO HARD FOR WHAT I HAVE.

I CAN'T WORK HARD AGAIN TO DO IT ALL OVER.

AND I FEEL SORRY.

LIKE HE SAID BEFORE ME, I FEEL SORRY THAT HE CAME AND HE PUT THE POWER IN ALREADY.

THAT WAS ME.

I WOULD'VE CHECKED IT OUT.

I MEAN, THAT'S WHY I BOUGHT A HOUSE ALREADY DONE AND I WANTED EVERYTHING DIE.

UH, THE EYES DOTTED, TEES CROSSED AND ALL THAT.

UM, I'M SORRY FOR HIS INVESTMENT.

IT TURNS OUT MY HOUSE IS IN A FLOOD PLAIN AND I HAVE A HOUSE.

I HAVE TO PAY THAT FLOOD INSURANCE CUZ I LIKE LIVING THERE.

I DON'T WANT TO LOSE MY INVESTMENT.

MY WIFE, ME AND RIGHT NOW HER MOTHER ARE PLANNING ON WHAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR.

UM, I'VE READ A LOT, UH, NOT A LOT, BUT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR ONE ZONING AND ALL THAT STUFF.

AND I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT OTHER THAN WHAT I WAS READING.

NOW GRANTED, MY EYES ARE PICKING OUT THE HIGHLIGHTS THAT BENEFIT ME AND ONE OF THE THING, THE FIRST ONE THAT'S ON THERE, SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING, THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS.

THIS IS LESS THAN A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING.

AND I WOULD TOTALLY AGREE WITH THIS PERMIT OR THIS WHATEVER IT'S CALLED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.

IF A HOUSE WAS BEING PUT ON THERE THAT WOULDN'T JEOPARDIZE MY INVESTMENT OR MY NEIGHBOR'S INVESTMENTS.

AND I'VE TALKED TO MY NEIGHBORS ABOUT THESE THINGS AND THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT IT TOO.

LAST TIME A LOT MORE SHOWED UP.

THIS TIME IT WAS JUST ME AND THE PREVIOUS GENTLEMAN.

NOT SAYING THAT MR. TAYLOR WON'T TAKE PRIDE IN WHAT HE DOES, CUZ I DON'T KNOW THE MAN, I DON'T KNOW IT, BUT WHAT I'VE SEEN SO FAR, IT DOESN'T IMPRESS ME.

AND I, I HATE TO SAY THAT I REALLY DO.

UM, YEAH, THAT'S IT.

DON'T BELT HIS HEAD.

CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YES SIR.

WHAT IF HE WAS BUILDING A HOUSE IN FIVE YEARS? WOULD YOU AGREE? WHY COULDN'T YOU GET THAT PERMIT IN FIVE YEARS THEN WHEN A HOUSE IS GONNA GO UP AND I DON'T LOSE WHAT I'VE ALREADY INVESTED MY LIFE IN.

IF HE WAS GOING TO BUILD A HOUSE IN TWO YEARS, WOULD YOU AGREE TO I'D STILL SAY THE SAME THING IF, IF HE, THE PERMITS APPLIED FOR AND TWO YEARS WOULD BE TOO FAR.

IT TAKES SIX MONTHS TO BUILD A HOUSE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT TAKES.

DOES THAT SOUND ABOUT RIGHT? FAIR.

OR MAYBE A LITTLE LONGER.

EVEN 12 TO 12 TO 18 MONTHS, DEPENDING ON THE HOUSE.

I WOULD THINK SIX MONTHS.

I MEAN, I, I I DON'T KNOW EITHER.

I'M NOT A CONTRACTOR.

I I WOULD SAY, I WOULD SAY FROM THE TIME THE THE PERMITS ARE SUBMITTED, IT, IT COULD BE FROM SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS ON AVERAGE FOR A SPEC TYPE HOME.

I MEAN, YOU GET INTO LARGER ROOMS, IT COULD BE MORE, BUT IT'S TYPICALLY ABOUT A THREE MONTH PROCESS.

JUST GETTING THE PERMITS THROUGH AND EVERYTHING.

BUT EIGHT MONTHS AFTER THAT SHE GOT A HOUSE.

SIX TO EIGHT.

THAT CUZ I'M NOT AS BAD AS HE IS.

SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS A YEAR.

YEAH, YOU COULD, THAT WOULD BE A FAIR ASSESSMENT.

SO, I MEAN, IF THE PERMIT WAS APPLIED FOR, TO PUT A HOUSE WITH A PROPER SEPTIC SYSTEM IN, WHICH AIN'T GONNA BE CHEAP BY THE WAY.

IT WON'T BECAUSE YOU'RE IN THAT FLOOD ZONE AND YOU GOTTA HAVE A SPECIAL TYPE OF SEPTIC SYSTEM PUT IN.

MY NEIGHBORS COST $26,000 TO PUT HIS IN 18 YEARS AGO.

MINE COSTS LESS THAN

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BUT, UM, OR OTHER REASONS.

AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW.

I I REALLY FEEL SORRY FOR HIM THAT HE INVESTED IN THIS RESEARCH MAYBE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE A LITTLE BIT MORE.

I RESEARCHED EVEN THE HOUSE I BOUGHT AND WHEN I BOUGHT THE HOUSE, I ASKED ABOUT A FLOOD PLANE.

I WAS TOLD I WASN'T IN ONE.

AND THEN I FOUND OUT LATER ON I WAS, AND I DID RESEARCH.

SO, SO IF THERE WAS A, IF THERE WAS A REASONABLE PLAN, YOU MAY NOT HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT BECAUSE IF HE'S GONNA BE BUILDING HIS HOUSE WITH HIS, WITH A LOT, WITH HIS OWN HANDS, HE'S GONNA NEED POWER AND HE'S GONNA NEED A PLACE TO STORE STUFF AND HE'S GONNA NEED THE ABILITY TO BUILD HIS HOUSE.

WOULD YOU AGREE TO, I WOULD HAVE TO SEE A PLAN THAT'S IN PLACE, A TIMEFRAME, MILESTONES, AND I WOULD HAVE TO SEE THAT HE MET THOSE MILESTONES.

UM, THAT'S, AND IF THE MILESTONES AREN'T MET, THAT WOULD BE A FAILURE.

UM, NOT SAYING THAT HE WOULD FAIL.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT AT ALL.

I JUST FEEL LIKE MY WHOLE LIFE IS BEING JEOPARDIZED BY A CAMPGROUND.

I KNOW IT'S WORDING, I KNOW IT'S DIFFERENT.

I KNOW WHAT CAMPGROUNDS LOOK LIKE.

I KNOW WHAT HAPPENS IN CAMPGROUNDS.

BUT WE'RE DISCUSSING CAMPGROUNDS TONIGHT.

UM, I'M NOT SURE THAT WE ARE.

I I THINK THAT WE'RE WE'RE SOMEWHAT WELL THE WORDING IN THE, WELL, I'M, WE'RE WE'RE KIND OF DISCUSSING THE, THE IDEA OF A MAN THAT WANTS TO MAYBE DO SOMETHING WITH, WITH A PIECE OF PROPERTY.

HE'S NOT LIVING THERE, BUT HE NEEDS POWER TO DO MORE THAN WHAT HE WANTS TO DO OR WHAT HE CAN DO.

AND WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

I THINK WE NEED TO, MAY I ASK MR. WENDLING QUESTION, JUROR? YES.

YES SIR.

IS IT POSSIBLE TO APPLY FOR AND RECEIVE POWER WITHOUT HAVING THE CAMPING PERMIT? THAT'S WHAT I WANT.

THAT WAS MY QUESTION AS WELL.

, THAT'S OR NO? CAN CAN, CAN YOU, CAN SOMEBODY APPLY TO HAVE POWER CONNECTED TO THE PROPERTY? IT'S NOT A STRUCTURE.

SO PERMITTING OF STRUCTURES ARE PROHIBITED WITHOUT HAVING THE C U P.

MM-HMM.

, THE ELECTRIC PERMIT COULD BE ALLOWED.

THE ISSUE IS, IS THE POST-APPROVAL OF WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THAT ELECTRICAL PERMIT IS, IS ALLOWED.

ONE OF, I MEAN WE RECENTLY GOT OUTTA LITIGATION WITH THE GENTLEMAN BECAUSE HE WAS ISSUED ELECTRICAL PERMIT, WHICH ALLOWED HIM TO CONFER TO ACCESSORY STRUCTURES INTO PART-TIME HABITABLE STRUCTURES.

NOW WE COULD NOT SEE THEM.

AND YOU KNOW, IN ANY CASE IT'S ANOTHER ISSUE.

BUT THAT, BUT, UH, IT, IT DOES GIVE US SOME REGULATORY AUTHORITY TO SAY WHAT EXACTLY HE'S DOING WITH THAT ELECTRICAL POWER.

BUT HE COULD HAVE, OR HE COULD APPLY TO R E C I BELIEVE IT IS, AND HAVE ELECTRIC CONNECTED TO THE BOX AND THEN APPLY FOR ANY PERMITS TO WHATEVER.

HE WAS GOING TO BUILD A SEPARATE ISSUE.

HE WOULD STILL HAVE THAT ELECTRIC POWER AVAILABLE AT THE BOX.

HE'S GONNA NEED ELECTRICAL PERMIT THROUGH THE CAMP, THROUGH THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS.

HE WOULD NEED THAT, THAT MUCH.

BUT, UM, IT, I, I WOULD SEE THAT THAT IS SOMEWHAT OF A, A GRAY AREA FOR US.

AGAIN, BECAUSE WE'RE DEALING WITH THE FLOOD PLAIN.

I I, I DON'T KNOW IF I'D HAVE AN ISSUE ANYWHERE ELSE, BUT WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH THE FLOOD PLAIN, WE'VE HAD THIS COME UP BEFORE.

WHAT? AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S WHAT IT'S FOR.

WHAT'S IT FOR? IS IT CAMPING OR IS IT, IS IT A STRUCTURE IN A FLOOD PLANE? .

SO THEN HOW CAN YOU HAVE ELECTRIC IN THE FLOOD PLANE WITH A CAMPING GROUND? IF, IF YOU, IF YOU'RE, IF IT'S NOT SURE YOU CAN HAVE CAMP, THE ELECTRIC IN THE FLOOD PLANE, WHAT DOES THE CAMP GROUND HAVE TO DO WITH WHETHER THE ELECTRIC'S ALLOWED OR NOT TO BE CONNECTED TO THAT POLE, TO THAT BOX? MM-HMM.

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WELL, AGAIN, .

SO MAY I MAKE A SUGGESTION? I I THINK THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT WE NEED TO GET ANSWERS FOR AND WE CANNOT MAKE A DECISION ON THIS.

AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT I DON'T THINK THE PURPOSE OF WHAT MR. TA, IS IT TAYLOR? I'M SORRY.

WHAT HIS PURPOSE IS, IS, IS ACTUALLY THE ROUTE WE'RE GOING.

SO IT SEEMS INCONGRUENT TO ME THAT WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE A DECISION ON PRIVATE USE CAMPING WHEN THAT ISN'T THE INTENTION.

SO COULD I SAY THAT WE COULD TABLE THIS AND TELL ANOTHER TIME, UH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE NEXT MONTH'S PUBLIC HEARINGS SO THAT WE CAN GET ANSWERS TO WHAT WE ARE ASKING.

SO, AND MR. TAYLOR COULD HAVE A DIRECTION AND HE DOESN'T IMPACT HIS NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY VALUES.

AND PERHAPS WITH THAT, THE, UH, BOARD MEMBERS COULD SEND, UH, QUESTIONS TO MR. WENLING SO HE CAN LOOK AT AND AND KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.

WELL, THE ANSWER FOR THE INFORMATION, I WANT THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION YOU JUST ASKED.

WHY CAN'T HE JUST GET ELECTRIC WITHOUT HAVING ANY KIND OF PERMITTING TYPICAL TO A, UH, CAMPING OR, OR PRIVATE USE OR RECREATION.

AND MR. WINING BECAUSE OF THE DESIGNATION OF FLOOD ZONE DOESN'T KNOW THE ANSWER, I GUESS TO THAT AT THIS MOMENT.

AT THIS MOMENT, YEAH, BUT HE'LL, HE CAN GET THE ANSWER.

SO COULD WE JUST VOTE? MAYBE MAKE HIM, I I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS UNTIL NEXT MONTH.

IS THERE A SECOND TO MRS. OATS MOTION? SECOND ROLL HOME.

MRS. SHIRAKI.

MR. BUTLER? I, MRS. OATS? I MADAM CHAIR.

I, MR. MABE.

HI.

MAY I JUST MENTION I'LL BE ATTENDING A VIRGINIA FLOOD PLAIN MANAGERS CONFERENCE IN RICHMOND THE NEXT TWO DAYS? THAT'S A, WE'LL BE ON MY LIST OF THINGS TO ASK SOME OF MY FELLOW FLOOD PLAIN MANAGERS.

WE WILL GET AN ANSWER FOR YOU THAT'S FRESH IN YOUR HEAD.

THAT'S EXCELLENT.

AND I THINK WE CAN MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY HERE.

THAT'S PROBABLY, THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO SAY.

AND THAT'S FOR YOUR QUESTION, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.

I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THAT HERE.

I DON'T, I THINK I WOULD SAY NO RIGHT NOW TO YOUR ANSWER OR TO YOUR QUESTION THAT THAT COMES FROM YOUR PAST EXPERIENCE.

WE, WE JUMPED THE GUN ON YOUR MOTION.

WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REDO THAT.

DOES ANYONE ELSE WANNA SPEAK ON THIS ITEM AT THIS TIME? OH, IF NOT, PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.

THAT'S WHY I'VE GOT MY LITTLE SHEET HERE.

AND MRS. JORDAN WAS GONNA CATCH ME.

EITHER HER OR MRS. SHIRAKI .

SO, UM, NOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO REPEAT YOUR MOTION? I WOULD MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE TABLE THIS ITEM FOR NEXT MONTH'S AGENDA.

IS THERE A SECOND? AGAIN? SECOND.

AND NOTIFICATIONS WILL GO OUT AGAIN TO TELL US TIME IS ACTUALLY CLOSED.

SO WE'LL MAKE A DECISION, BUT WE CAN LET YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEETING WILL BE NEXT MONTH.

THE MEETING WILL BE ON WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 16TH AT SEVEN O'CLOCK.

AND THAT WE CAN'T COME TO, OR WE CAN'T YEAH, WE CAN'T ALWAYS WELCOME.

YOU'RE ALWAYS YEAH.

YOU'RE ALWAYS WELCOME IF YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL, ANYTHING ELSE I THINK CAN SPEAK AT A PUBLIC PRESENTATION.

MM-HMM.

ADDITIONAL THINGS TO ADD.