* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. OKAY. I WAS JUST LOOKING TO [00:00:01] VERIFY, CUZ THAT'S THE ONLY THING I WROTE. JUST STOP WHEN I DRIVE BY. GOOD MORNING [A. Call to Order and Pledge of Allegiance of the United States of America] EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO THE NOVEMBER 1ST, 2022 MEETING OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. AND WE HAVE REVEREND BOYETTE HERE THIS MORNING TO START US OFF WITH A PRAYER. WELCOME SIR. AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU. IT'S, IT'S AN HONOR. LET'S GO TO OUR LORD IN PRAYER. HEAVENLY FATHER, YOU'RE A HEALER, OUR PROTECTOR AND OUR PROVIDER. WE THANK YOU AND PRAISE YOU FOR YOUR GOODNESS. WE PRAISE YOU FOR THE GIFT OF LIFE. WE THANK YOU FOR BRINGING TOGETHER THESE SERVANTS OF THE COMMUNITY WHO, WHO CARE ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR NATION. WE THANK YOU GOD FOR THESE CARING LEADERS WHO HAVE GIVEN THEIR TIME TO SERVE AND DO WHAT IS RIGHT IN PLEASING TO YOU AND THEIR COMMUNITY AND THEIR OUR NATION. HEAVENLY FATHER, WE COME TO THE IN PRAYER THIS MORNING ASKING FOR YOUR GUIDANCE AND YOUR WISDOM. HEAVENLY FATHER, WE ASK FOR YOUR PRESENCE IN THIS MEETING. GIVE THOSE THAT CAME HERE TO SERVE THEIR COMMUNITY, THE KNOWLEDGE AND STRENGTH TO DO YOUR WILL. GOD GIVE THEM THE RIGHT WORDS TO SAY GOD INSTILL IN ALL, ALL IN HERE AS SPIRIT OF LOVE AND KINDNESS TOWARD ONE ANOTHER AS THEY DISCUSS IMPORTANT ISSUES CONCERNING THE LIVELIHOOD OF, OF ALL IN OUR COUNTRY, IN OUR COUNTY. HELP ALL HERE TO BE RESPONSIBLE AND ACT AND SPEAK WITH INTEGRITY AS THEY ADDRESS AND MAKE DECISION DECISIONS THAT AFFECT THIS BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY THAT YOU HAVE BLESSED US WITH. WE ASKED ALL DURING THIS MEETING, EVERYTHING SAID AND DONE WE'LL REFLECT NOTHING BUT TRUTH AND JUSTICE. GOD ALL HERE LORD, EVERYONE FAITHFUL TO THE TASK AT HAND THAT THOU HAS GIVEN THEM. INSTILL IN ALL OUR HEARTS THE SPIRIT OF PEACE AND LOVE THAT GOES BEYOND ALL UNDERSTANDING. AND JESUS CHRIST'S NAME WE PRAY. AMEN. AMEN. THANK YOU SIR. AND CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. AND IF EVERYONE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, IF MR. MABE, IF YOU'D LEAD US, PLEASE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD INVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ALL RIGHT. FIRST MATTER OF BUSINESS IS THE ADOPTION OF [B. Adoption of Agenda – Additions or Deletions] THE AGENDA. ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS AT THIS TIME HEARING YOU MADAM CHAIR? YES, SIR. WE WOULD REQUEST THAT YOU REMOVE ITEM I 10 FROM THE AGENDA AND WE'LL DISCUSS THAT IN THE WORK SESSION WHEN THIS IS LOGAN UPDATES US ON OUR BUILDING PROJECTS AND THEN WE'LL PUT THAT BACK ON NOVEMBER THE 16TH. IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE AGENDA AS AMENDED TO REMOVE ITEM 10 ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? SO, AND HANG ON, I'M SORRY. OH, I'M SORRY. WE'VE ALSO GOT A NEW CLOSED SESSION, UH, OR A REPLACEMENT CLOSED SESSION REALLY TO TALK ABOUT THE, THE WHAT'S IN THE AGENDA IS A, IS A DISCUSSION OF THE ED LITIGATION MATTERS AND WHAT WILL INSTEAD BE DISCUSSED IN CLOSED SESSION IS WHAT YOU'VE GOT ON YOUR DAES, WHICH IS THE, UM, INCENTIVE GRANT AGREEMENT WITH AN EXISTING BUSINESS AND INDUSTRY AND, UH, A DISCUSSION OF A PROSPECTIVE BUSINESS OR INDUSTRY. SO IF SOMEONE COULD PLEASE MOVE TO APPROVE WITH THOSE TWO CHANGES, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. SO MOVED THERE. ROLE CALL MRS. SHIRAKI. MR. MABE. ALL RIGHT. MRS. COOK, I, MADAME CHAIR. AYE. MRS. OATS. I, MR. BUTLER? AYE. OKAY. PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. 60 MINUTE TIME PERIOD. THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER. AND MRS. SHIRAKI, HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? NO MA'AM. WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? SECOND CALL. THIRD AND FINAL CALL. OKAY. WE WILL MOVE ON TO REPORTS. [D. Report from the Virginia Department of Transportation - Ed Carter] AND FIRST IS THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION. MR. SMITH. HI, GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. UM, I'D JUST LIKE TO UPDATE YOU, UH, ON THE RECENT, UH, MAINTENANCE ACTIVITIES IN THE COUNTY. UM, WE'VE, IN THE LAST MONTH, WE COMPLETED DITCH CLEANING OPERATIONS AND SHOULDER REPAIR ON ROUTE THREE 40. [00:05:01] UM, ALSO LAST WEEK, UH, ON ROUTE THREE 40 RSW PICKED UP 40 BAGS OF TRASH. UM, WE'VE COMPLETED OUR MOWING ON OUR SECONDARY ROUTES IN THE COUNTY AND WE'VE ALSO BEEN UTILIZING THE SLOPE MOWER ON VARIOUS ROUTES. THAT'S THE REMOTE MOWER. UM, WE'VE REMOVED SEVERAL DEAD TREES ON VARIOUS ROUTES AND WE'VE GRADED IN A PLATE ON VARIOUS UNPAID ROADS. UM, WE ALSO RECENTLY COMPLETED OUR SNOW DRIVE RUN, AND THAT'S WHERE WE PREPARE OUR EQUIPMENT AND MAKE OUR FINAL PREPARATIONS FOR THE UPCOMING SNOW SEASON. SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN BEEN DOING. LOOKING AHEAD TO NEXT MONTH, UM, WE PLAN ON COMPLETING OUR, WHAT WE CALL OUR FENCE TO FENCE, UM, FINAL MOWING ON THE PRIMARY ROUTES FOR THE SEASON. AND, UH, WE'LL BE CONTINUING WITH THE DITCH AND SHOULDER REPAIR ON VARIOUS ROUTES AS WELL AS DOING, UM, BRUSH CUTTING AND GRADING AND APPLYING STONE ON VARIOUS UN PAVED ROADS. UM, SOME OTHER ITEMS FOR THE BOARD, UM, WE DID INSTALL THE REFLECTORS ON THE CONCRETE, UH, MEDIAN ISLAND OUT AT COUNTRY CLUB ROAD. AND, UM, WE WILL BE COMING BACK AND PUTTING UP SOME, WHAT WE CALL, UH, SAFE HIT THE FLEXIBLE DELINEATORS TO, TO BETTER DELINEATE THAT AS WELL. UM, AND ONE OTHER ITEM, THE NEW BRIDGE SIGNS ARE IN, UM, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE RATHER LARGE. THEY'RE BIGGER THAN THE OLD SIGNS. THESE ARE THREE BY EIGHT SIGNS, SO WE'RE STILL WORKING OUT THE LOGISTICS OF BEING ABLE TO GET THOSE INSTALLED. IT'S GONNA REQUIRE MORE POST AND, UH, HEAVIER EQUIPMENT TO GET THOSE UP. BUT, BUT THOSE ARE IN, AND WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING ON MAKING THOSE ARRANGEMENTS. SO, UH, THAT, THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR, TO REPORT TO FOR THE BOARD. DO YOU HAVE ANY ITEMS FOR ME THAT YOU'D LIKE ME TO ADDRESS OR LOOK INTO? I, YES, SIR. SO I MET, UM, DR. DALEY AND I WENT TO THE BLUE RIDGE SHADOWS HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION MEETING LAST WEEK, EXCUSE ME. AND THERE WERE, THERE WAS A CONCERN FROM THEM ABOUT THE, UM, THE SPEED OF THE TRACTOR TRAILERS THAT ARE COMING UP 5 22. OKAY. AND THEY, THEY HIT THEIR BRAKES AND THEY MAKE THIS HORRIFIC SOUND BECAUSE THERE'S A STOPLIGHT THERE AT THE BLUE RIDGE SHADOWS GOLF COURSE IN THE ENTRANCE INTO THAT SUBDIVISION. AND I WAS WONDERING IF, UM, IF YOU COULD LOOK INTO, UH, MAYBE STUDYING WHAT COULD BE DONE TO, YOU KNOW, PREVENT THE SPEED THAT'S GOING CUZ PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THEY'RE GONNA GET RUN OVER IF THEY, SO JUST LIKE AT RELIANCE, THE TURN LANES ARE SHORTER AND SO YOU'RE TRYING TO GET OVER IN THE TRACTOR TRAILERS AND THERE'S A LOT OF TRACTOR TRAILER TRAFFIC AS YOU KNOW, ON 5 22 RIGHT NOW. UM, AND SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE COULD LOOK INTO THAT OR PERHAPS HAVE A, A MEETING OR TALK ABOUT WHAT THEIR CONCERNS ARE SO THAT WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE. SURE. CERTAINLY. YEAH, WE COULD, WE COULD MEET AND TALK ABOUT IT, GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING. WE CAN ALSO LOOK AT THE SPEED, UM, THAT IT IS OUT THERE WITH THE TRACTOR TRAILER AND THE NOISE. THAT'S KIND OF A DIFFICULT ONE TO, TO ADDRESS, BUT, UM, YEAH, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THE SPEED LIMIT WHAT'S POSTED AND MAKE SURE THAT'S THE APPROPRIATE SPEED FOR THAT, THAT SECTION OF THE CORRIDOR. NOW PEOPLE ARE EXCEEDING THAT, THAT KIND OF GOES BEYOND WHAT WE CAN DO AT VDOT. I UNDERSTAND. BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK INTO THAT AND, AND, AND SEE. AND IF YOU'D LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE A MEETING WITH A REPRESENTATIVE OR SOMETHING, WE'D BE GLAD TO MEET OUT THERE AND AND THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL IF WE COULD JUST ARRANGE AROUND A MEETING AND THEN YOU CAN HEAR THEIR CONCERNS AND PERHAPS ADDRESS IT SPECIFICALLY IF THERE IS ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO, UH, TO MITIGATE WHAT'S GOING ON. IT, IT IS A, IT'S, IT'S A, YOU KNOW, FOUR LANE HIGHWAY. I MEAN, YEAH. IT'S A CHALLENGE, BUT, SO YEAH. BUT WE, WE'D BE GLAD TO LISTEN AND HEAR WHAT THEIR CONCERNS ARE AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO, TO ADDRESS THOSE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU'RE WELCOME. ANY OTHER ISSUES OR CONCERNS? WELL, I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR ALL, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS DO A LOT OF GOOD WORK AND, UM, I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT GETS DONE IN SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT. WAS WONDERING, YOU SAID YOU'RE GONNA CONTINUE IN, UH, BRUSH CUTTING AND I THINK THAT'S AN ACTIVITY THAT PRETTY MUCH GOES ON IN THE WINTER DEPENDING ON THE, THE WEATHER AND UM, I KNOW THEY DID A LOT ON MY ROAD LAST YEAR ON THREE 40, BUT THIS SUMMER IT LOOKS LIKE THEY HAVEN'T BEEN THERE. YEAH, IT WAS AN INCREDIBLE GROWING SEASON, SO THAT YES, IT WAS, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO FOCUS ON AND, YOU KNOW, CLEARING SIGNS AND KEEPING THEM VISIBLE AND, AND CUTTING BACK BRUSH. SO YEAH, IT'S A, IT'S AN ONGOING BATTLE FOR SURE. YES, IT IS. AND I, I APPRECIATE IT, BUT JUST WANTED TO, AND UM, I KNOW MR. MABIN TOLD ME THAT WE WERE ON SCHEDULE, I THINK FOR THE 20TH, UH, FOR THE DEDICATION OF THE BRIDGE RENAMING. OKAY. ARE THE SIGNS GONNA BE AN ISSUE SINCE THEY'RE A LITTLE BIGGER? AND, UM, I, I, WHEN I TALKED TO ED, IT'S ACTUALLY THE 19TH. THE 19TH, OKAY. [00:10:01] I MAY, I MADE AN ERROR ON IT. OH, OKAY. YEAH, I'LL, I'LL SATURDAY AT TWO. I'LL MAKE SURE THAT MR. CARTER KNOWS THAT, THAT WE CAN STRIVE TO GET THOSE SIGNS UP BEFORE THE CEREMONY. SO I KNOW IT WAS JUST THAT IT WAS SOMETHING, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK OUTSIDE THE RESIDENCY JUST BECAUSE OF THE SIZE. WE'RE GONNA NEED LIKE A, A BOOM TRUCK TO HELP SET 'EM AND WE GOTTA SET ADDITIONAL POST FOR 'EM. BUT, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON THAT, BUT THAT'S GOOD TO HAVE THAT, THAT DEADLINE OF THE 19TH. SO, AND DOES IT SOUND LIKE ANYONE ELSE HAS ANYTHING? OKAY, WELL THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME THIS MORNING. WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. THANK YOU. GIVE MR. CARTER OUR REGARDS. WILL DO. [E. Report from the Virginia Cooperative Extension Office - Corey Childs] VIRGINIA COOPERATIVE EXTENSION OFFICE. MR. CHILDS, GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING, MADAM CHAIRMAN, BOARD MEMBERS. UM, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO SHARE WITH YOU A FEW OF THE EVENTS THAT WE'VE HAD GOING ON OVER THE LAST, UH, UH, A COUPLE OF WEEKS OR MONTHS, AND A FEW ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE COMING UP IN THE NEAR FUTURE THAT, UH, WILL, UM, INCLUDE AS MUCH AS WE CAN PULL OUT, UH, THAT REFLECT WARREN COUNTY PARTICIPATION AS WELL. UH, AS YOU REQUESTED LAST TIME WE WERE ABLE TO JOIN YOU, UM, I REGRET THAT WE WERE UNABLE TO PULL TOGETHER THE FULL REPORT FOR THE MEETING THIS MORNING THAT WE NORMALLY PUT IN, YOU KNOW, UM, WORKBOOKS, BUT WE WILL FORWARD IT TO YOU AS SOON AS IT GETS COMPILED. UH, WE'VE HAD A, A VERY BUSY TIME IN THE LAST, UM, COUPLE OF MONTHS, AND GENERALLY SPEAKING, WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO PULL TOGETHER ALL THE INFORMATION YET FROM ALL THE DIFFERENT PEOPLE THAT MAKE UP OUR STAFF. UM, BUT WE'LL GET IT TO YOU. UM, THE LAST QUARTER, UH, IT'S BEEN, LIKE I SAID, REALLY BUSY, BUT IT'S BEEN A WAY FOR, FOR THE FOUR H PROGRAM FOR US TO WIND DOWN OUR YEAR. UH, BASICALLY IT STARTS AND STOPS OCTOBER 1ST. UH, SO THE NEW YEAR BEGINS IN OCTOBER, UH, AND THE END OF THE OLD YEAR FOR AS FAR AS PARTICIPATION ENDS IN, IN SEPTEMBER. SO WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IS COLLECTING A LOT OF, UH, RESOURCE MATERIALS, WORKBOOKS, PROJECT BOOKS, THINGS LIKE THAT FROM THE FOUR H COMMUNITY, UH, FINISHING UP WITH CONTESTS AND THINGS THAT WE HAVE FOR YEAR LONG EDUCATIONAL PROJECTS AND SCORING ALL THOSE THINGS. AND THEN WE ALSO HAD, UH, WELL, UM, AN ACHIEVEMENT BANQUET THAT, UM, WAS HELD TO RECOGNIZE THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF THE VOLUNTEERS AND THE FORAGERS THAT HAVE PARTICIPATED IN THE PROGRAM THIS PAST YEAR. UH, WE HAD ABOUT 75 YOUTH MEMBERS THERE LOCALLY THAT WERE IN, UH, ATTENDANCE FOR THAT. AND THOSE ARE OUR, OUR GENERAL FULL-TIME, UH, COMMUNITY CLUB MEMBERS. THEY DON'T INCLUDE OUR SCHOOLS OR CAMPS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, UH, CUZ THEY'RE THE ONES THAT GENERALLY, UM, COMPLETE THE YEARLONG WORKBOOKS. UH, WE ALSO COMPLETED OUR FAIR SEASON, UH, WITH FOUR H PARTICIPATING IN THE VIRGINIA STATE FAIR. WE HAD FIVE FOUR H MEMBERS THAT, UH, WERE DOWN THERE AND REPRESENTING WARREN COUNTY. AND WE ACTUALLY HAD ONE THIS YEAR THAT WAS VERY FORTUNATE IN A VERY HIGHLY COMPETITIVE FIELD DOWN THERE TO EXHIBIT THE CHAMPION COMMERCIAL HEIFER AT THE STATE FAIR VIRGINIA. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE, THAT IS A, A REALLY BIG ACCOMPLISHMENT, UH, FOR ANYBODY TO GET DONE. AND WE'RE PRETTY PROUD THAT THEY CAME FROM WARREN COUNTY. WE HAD, UH, EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES AT THE WORLDS OF WORK, WHICH WAS HELD IN WINCHESTER THERE 3000 YOUTH AND SEVEN LOCALITIES IN THE AREA PARTICIPATED. UM, ALL THE SEVENTH GRADERS FROM WARREN COUNTY WERE INVITED TO ATTEND, SO WE WERE DRUG, UM, UH, CONTACT AND PROVIDING PROGRAMS FOR THOSE. AND THEN WE'VE ALSO BEGUN TWO MAJOR PROJECTS THIS YEAR THAT HOPEFULLY WE'RE GONNA ADD TO OUR FOUR H OUTREACH. AND ONE OF THOSE IS A NEW WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH, UH, WARREN COUNTY FFA, UM, FOR TRYING TO PULL TOGETHER, UH, HOW THE TWO PROGRAMS CAN WORK TO BUILD FOR EACH OTHER AND SUPPLEMENT, UH, THE STRENGTHS OF BOTH PROGRAMS. AND WE'VE TRIED TO DO THAT IN THE PAST. UH, BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A, UH, MORE COLLABORATIVE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE TWO ORGANIZATIONS AND I LOOK FORWARD TO HOPEFULLY WHAT CAN HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE WITH THAT. WE ALSO HAVE A NEW COLLABORATIVE, UH, CLUB THAT'S [00:15:01] WITH E WILSON MORRISON MIDDLE SCHOOL. UH, THIS PAST SUMMER AT, AT SUMMER CAMP, WE HAD, UH, THE FORTUNE OF HAVING, UM, I BELIEVE IT ENDED UP BEING 17 YOUTH THAT ATTEND THAT SCHOOL THAT HAD NEVER BEEN FOUR H MEMBERS BEFORE OR ATTENDED CAMP, UM, RECEIVED SCHOLARSHIPS TO GO TO CAMP. SO THEY WERE BRAND NEW PEOPLE GETTING EXPOSED TO THE PROGRAM. AND THAT HAS GROWN INTO, UH, POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITY FOR ABOUT 65 KIDS TO BECOME FOUR H MEMBERS AND GET YEARLONG PROGRAMMING, UH, WHICH WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT. UM, WE DID HAND OUT, YOU SHOULD HAVE NEW PACKET, UH, THIS FLYER FOR A MANAGING YOUR MONEY SERIES COURSE THAT WE'RE PUTTING ON. UH, IT'S A SIX SIX SESSION TRAINING FOR AREA RESIDENTS. UH, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE SEVERAL DATES AND LOCATIONS, INCLUDING ONES HERE IN THE COUNTY, UM, THAT ARE REALLY IMPACTFUL AND NEEDED AT THIS POINT IN TIME WITH, UH, THE FINANCES AND, UH, INTERESTS AND INFLATION THE WAY THAT THEY ARE FOR MOST PEOPLE AROUND. WE ALSO, UM, UH, I HAVE A NEGATIVE THING TO REPORT FROM OUR FCS PART OF THE PROGRAM, AND THAT IS THAT OUR HUMAN FOODS NUTRITION AND HEALTH, UH, AGENT THAT WAS HOUSED IN WINCHESTER RECOVER, UH, WARREN AS WELL, UH, JUST, UH, DECIDED TO RESIGN. SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REFILL THAT POSITION. UH, HAPPY FOR HER. SHE'S BEEN A NEW MOTHER WHO HAS BEEN ABLE TO WORK IT OUT SO THAT SHE CAN GO HOME AND, UM, BECOME A STAY AT HOME MOM AND THAT'S GREAT FOR HER, BUT IT'S OUR LOSS AND UH, WE'LL TRY TO GET THAT POSITION FILLED AND LET YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT AS SOON AS WE CAN. UH, WE HAD THE BLUE RIDGE BEGINNING FORMER RANCHER MULTI-WEEK EDUCATIONAL SERIES, WHICH IS HELD, UH, FOR THE PAST SIX WEEKS. WE HAD 41 PARTICIPANTS AND THREE THAT WE COULD IDENTIFY THAT WERE FROM WARREN COUNTY IN THAT. AND THAT'S GENERALLY FOR PEOPLE THAT HAVE JUST RECENTLY BOUGHT, UH, OR COME TO OWNERSHIP OF LAND AND THEY REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH IT OR THEY DON'T KNOW A LOT OF THE FINANCIAL ASPECTS OR WHERE TO GO FOR HELP. AND THAT COURSE BASICALLY IS A WAY FOR THEM TO BECOME MUCH MORE ORIENTATED TO, UH, HOW TO GET STARTED AND MAYBE, UH, MOVE TO FUTURE FARM VISITS OR CONSULTATIONS WHERE WE CAN HELP THEM IDENTIFY THE BEST USE OF THEIR LAND. WE ALSO HAD A B QUALITY ASSURANCE CERTIFICATION WITH RENEW WARRANTY. COUNTY B PRODUCERS WERE RECEIVING CERTIFICATION. WE HAVE A, UH, WELL THERE WASN'T A RE-CERTIFICATION THAT WAS A CERTIFICATION. WE HAVE A RE-CERTIFICATION OPPORTUNITY, UH, COMING UP THIS FALL FOR PRODUCERS WHO WERE PREVIOUSLY CERTIFIED. OUR AREA WIDE PEST, UH, PEST COMMERCIAL, UH, OR PESTICIDE CERTIFICATION, RECERTIFICATIONS GETTING READY TO COME UP. UH, WE HAVE PRIVATE AND COMMERCIAL APPLICATORS THAT, UH, WE CERTIFY AND WE RE-CERTIFY, UH, THIS TIME OF THE YEAR. AND IT BEGINS AT THE END OF THIS MONTH. THEY WILL RUN THROUGH JANUARY THE 10TH, WHICH ARE MAJOR, UH, PROGRAMMATIC OPPORTUNITIES THAT CONSIST OF MULTIPLE CLASSES, UH, THAT THEY CAN CHOOSE TO GO TO TO RECEIVE THE RECERTIFICATION OF CREDITS. UH, THEY CAN, UH, RESERVE ANY TIME DURING THE YEAR, UM, IN OTHER FORMATS. UH, THEY AREN'T QUITE AS EASY AS ATTENDING A CLASS AND, UH, GOING THAT ROUTE. BUT, UH, THAT'S, WE DO ABOUT 95% OF OUR PESTICIDE WORK IN THE NEXT MONTH AND A HALF. ONE BIG ISSUE THAT WE'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH THIS THIS PAST QUARTER AND PRETTY MUCH, UH, FOR THE LAST YEAR, AS YOU ALL BEEN WELL AWARE, I WAS A SPOT LAND FLY. UH, WHEN WE GET INTO SEPTEMBER, UH, IN OCTOBER, UM, THE FLIES BECOME MUCH MORE, UH, VISIBLE BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THEIR ADULT PHASE AND THEY'RE REALLY BRIGHT AND COLORFUL AND THEY'RE OUT LAYING EGGS AND DOING ALL THOSE THINGS WE DON'T WANT THEM TO DO. BUT THAT'S WHEN PEOPLE HAVE REALLY SEEMED TO START NOTICING THEM ALL OVER THE COUNTY. AND WE HAD 56 CONTACTS OR REPORTS FROM PEOPLE AROUND THE COUNTY, UH, ABOUT CONTROL OR SIGHTINGS OR WHATEVER IN JUST WARREN COUNTY ALONE. AND THAT'S NOT INCLUDING THE ONES FROM THE NEIGHBORING COUNTIES OR SEEING EXPAND, UNFORTUNATELY, WE DON'T SEE ANY REAL END TO THAT IN THE NEAR FUTURE. WE, UH, RESEARCHERS HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO DEVELOP A SILVER BOLT THAT SAYS, HEY, WE'RE GONNA KNOCK THIS THING OUT. AND WE HAVEN'T HAD ANYTHING IN NATURE OCCUR THAT HAS BEEN LIMITING THAT. SO WE'RE STILL AT THE PLACE RIGHT NOW, WE'RE PART OF THE QUARANTINE ZONE AND WE ASK EVERYBODY THAT'S MOVING INTERSTATE COMMERCE OF ANY KIND TO CHECK AND GO THROUGH THE CERTIFICATION PROCESS. AND WE [00:20:01] ALSO ASK FOR HOMEOWNERS TO IDENTIFY IF THEY CAN, UH, THE EGG MASSES AS THEY CURRENT NOW THIS TIME OF THE YEAR, AND CONTROL THEM BY SCRAPING THEM OFF FOR OR PUTTING SOME SORT OF A PESTICIDE DEPENDING UPON, UH, THE SITUATION ON THEM, UH, TO TRY TO REDUCE THE OVERALL NUMBERS. UH, BUT THAT IS GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO CONTINUE TO SEE INTO THE FUTURE. UM, OUR STAFF SUPERVISED AND VAST NORTHERN SHE VALLEY MASTER GARDEN VOLUNTEERS PROVIDE FOR COMMUNITY OR EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES WITH BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES FOR RESIDENTIAL HORTICULTURE ACTIVITIES ALONG, UM, THE, UH, AREA IN TOWN AND DOWN ALONG THE RIVER THIS PAST, UM, A QUARTER. UH, GENERALLY SPEAKING, THERE ARE 179, UH, REGIONAL VIRGINIA COOPERATIVE EXTENSION VOLUNTEERS. SHE'S SERVICE MASTER GARDENS AND THERE ARE 33 IN WARREN COUNTY THAT REST ARE, AND, UM, WE FEEL PRETTY GOOD ABOUT THE NUMBERS THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, BUT ARE STILL TRYING TO GET THAT PROGRAM TO GROW, UH, IN RESPONSE TO THE UPTAKE REQUESTS WE'VE SEEN WITH DIFFERENT, UH, THINGS. UM, OVERALL WE HAD 64 RESIDENTS CONTACT THE OFFICE REGARDING NONS, BONDED LAND FLYING, INSECT INVASIVE PEST, OR OTHER GENTRIFICATION AND CONTROL MEASURES. AND THAT'S AN UPTAKE OVER PREVIOUS YEARS. DURING THIS LAST QUARTER OF THE YEAR, UH, WE'VE SEEN, UM, OH, THIS HAS BEEN A SUMMARY BASICALLY OF MANY, MANY OF THE ACTIVITIES THAT WE HAVE. WE HAVE A LOT MORE GOING ON AND, UM, UH, I WISH I COULD REPORT ON ALL, BUT IT WOULD TAKE FOREVER, BASICALLY. I DON'T WANNA DO THAT. SO WE'VE TRIED TO HIT SOME HIGHLIGHTS AND THINGS THAT WE KNOW WE CAN PULL OUT AND SAY, HEY, THIS DIRECTLY IMPACTED THE COUNTY. UM, IT IS GOOD TO KNOW THAT, UM, BASICALLY FROM NOW THROUGH ABOUT FEBRUARY IS OUR, OUR MAIN TRAINING TIME WHERE WE TRY TO PUT TOGETHER CLASSES AND EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS WHERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UM, PARTICIPANTS COME IN FROM ALL OVER. UM, AND ACTUALLY WE GOT ONE ON THE 19TH THAT UNFORTUNATELY WON'T BE ABLE TO, UH, WORK AROUND THAT DATE, BUT WE HAVE ONE THAT'S A CERTIFIED HUMANE ANIMAL HANDLING CLASS FOR ADULT LIVESTOCK, UH, OR LARGE TAIL LIVESTOCK. AND THAT'S NEW TO THE AREA. UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT OUR, WE'RE BRINGING IN KNOW JUST SPEAKER, UH, WHO'S CERTIFIED IN THE TEMPLE GRANTED METHOD OF MOVING THE LIVESTOCK OR HANDLING THEM. AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL ARE ROE, BUT SHE'S A NATIONALLY RENOWNED, UM, LIVESTOCK HANDLING EXPERT, UH, THAT HAS DESIGNED MANY, MANY PROGRAMS, UH, NATIONWIDE. AND WE REALLY FEEL GOOD ABOUT PROVIDING THAT OPPORTUNITY LOCALLY. SO WITH THAT, THAT COMPLETES THE REPORT THAT I HAVE. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. CHILDS? WELL, I WILL TELL YOU, I, I DID SEND YOU PICTURES OF WHAT I THOUGHT WERE LANYARD FLIES AND THEN I WAS CORRECTED BY A NEIGHBOR THAT THEY WERE BOX ELDER BUGS. CORRECT. SO, WHICH I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT DAMAGE THEY CAUSED, BUT I WAS RELIEVED CUZ WOW. THERE WAS A LOT OF THOSE THINGS. YEAH, THEY OCCUR IN HIGH NUMBERS AND, AND THEY CAN CAUSE DAMAGE. BUT, UH, THE IMPORTANT THING IS THEY DON'T IMPACT QUITE AS MUCH DIVERSITY IN OUR LANDSCAPES AND, UM, ARE FAIRLY EASILY TREATABLE, UH, IF YOU FIND THEM EARLY, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO, UH, HATCH AND GET REALLY ACTIVE. WELL, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND I UNDERSTAND DR. BALLINGER IS NOT ABLE TO BE HERE TODAY, SO WE WILL SKIP OVER THE SCHOOL REPORT AND GO [G. Reports – Board Members, County Administrator, County Attorney] TO BOARD REPORTS. MR. BUTLER, MR. BUTLER HAD TO STEP OUT JUST FOR A SECOND. HE'LL BE BACK. MRS. COOK. THANK YOU. UM, MY REPORT SHOULD BE SHORT AND SWEET. UM, YESTERDAY I TOURED THE COURTHOUSE YES, UM, TO SEE THE PROGRESS OF THE COURTHOUSE MAINTENANCE PROJECT AND, UM, I WAS, YOU KNOW, I SEE THAT WE'VE DONE A LOT OF GOOD STUFF THERE, BUT THERE'S STILL PLENTY MORE LEFT TO DO. UM, I SAW THAT THERE WAS LIKE APPROXIMATELY FOUR ROOMS THAT ARE IN PROCESS OF BEING RENOVATED. AND, UM, WHAT I DID IS I TOOK THE PRESENTATION THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US ABOUT A MONTH AGO, A MONTH AND A HALF AGO OF THE PROGRESS AND IN THE TIMELINE AND, UH, ACCORDING TO THAT REPORT, THAT THINGS SHOULD HAVE BEEN COMPLETED BY THE END OF LAST MONTH YESTERDAY. SO, UM, I I WOULD HOPE THAT, UM, IN THE FUTURE OR NEAR FUTURE, THAT, UH, WE CAN HAVE AN UPDATE OF WHERE WE ARE ON THE TIMELINE AND [00:25:01] ANY SCOPE ADJUSTMENTS TO THE, TO THE, UM, PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED ABOUT A MONTH AND A HALF AGO. AND IN THE TIMELINE, I WOULD LIKE JUST A MOMENT IN THE TIMELINE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE DIFFERENT AREAS THAT ARE UNDER RENOVATION, WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND WHEN IT'S GOING TO BE COMPLETED. UM, SO, UM, I JUST WANT TO, YOU KNOW, COMPLIMENT EVERYTHING EVERYONE'S DONE. I WANNA THANK THE, THE, THE, THE FOLKS WHO ARE WORKING AT THE COURTHOUSE AND ACCOMMODATING AND THEIR PATIENTS AND GETTING ALL OF THIS UPDATES COMPLETED. BUT I THINK WE NEED TO SPEND A LITTLE BIT MORE ATTENTION ON, UH, COMPLETING OUR PROJECT. GO AHEAD, MR. DALEY, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU. WE'LL HAVE AN UPDATE FOR YOU IN ABOUT AN HOUR NOW. VERY GOOD. UM, AND, UH, THE LAST THING I WANNA, UH, BRING UP IS THAT I JUST WANNA GIVE A BIG OLD SHOUT OUT TO OUR SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS. I JUST, UM, WANNA THANK EVERYONE FOR YOUR SERVICE AND PROTECTING OUR CHILDREN AND THE, UH, THE SCHOOL STAFF. I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DO AND, UM, I'M JUST DOING A GOOD JOB. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MABE. UH, YES, FROM, FROM OUR LAST BOS MEETING, UH, AFTER OUR BOS MEETING, UH, LAST ON THE 25TH, I VISITED WITH SOME WITH, UH, THREE CONSTITUENTS AFTERWARDS. UH, ON THE 26TH, I DEV WENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE, WHICH WE BASICALLY WENT OVER PROJECTS WITH WITHIN THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY. UM, ALSO THAT AFTERNOON I DELIVERED FOOD AT THE, UM, FREEZELAND KISSING ROD. UH, WE GAVE AWAY PROBABLY 18 CASES OF FOOD, WHICH IS ALWAYS EXCITING TO ME BECAUSE WE WORK REALLY HARD TO FIND OPPORTUNITIES. UM, AND ON THE 27TH, UM, MET WITH CONSTITUENTS AT THE GOVERNMENT CENTER CONCERNING THE, UM, UM, C I P FOR SHANDO FARMS. UM, IT, IT WAS A DIFFERENT VIEW ON WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH, SO IT WAS ALL VERY, VERY GOOD. UH, AT THE END OF THE DAY, UH, DSS HALLOWEEN GATHERING, I KNOW THAT EVERYBODY'S GONNA MENTION THAT BECAUSE I THINK EVERYBODY WAS THERE, BUT, UM, THERE WAS A WHOLE BUNCH OF KIDS THERE AND I JUST FELT SO GOOD IN SEEING THE DINOSAURS THAT WERE NINE FOOT TALL AND THE, UM, THE, ALL OF THE ANIMALS AND ALL OF THE CHILDREN THAT WERE JUST DRESSED UP TO THE NINES. IT WAS GREAT. UM, ON THE 28TH, WE HAD AN ED MEETING, UM, I ATTENDED AND ON THE 29TH, THAT WAS THE ZOMBIE WALK DOWNTOWN. NOW, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT Y'ALL, BUT I WAS SCARED . UM, I NEVER SAW SO MANY KIDS AND ADULTS DRESSED IN COSTUMES GETTING CANDY, AND THE PARENTS WERE JUST LIKE THE KIDS. THEY HAD A BAG OUT THERE SAYS, GIVE ME CANDY TOO. I LOVED IT, BUT I WAS STILL SCARED. , UM, EVERYBODY'S ALL DRESSED UP. IT WAS REALLY NICE. I HAD A GOOD TIME AND LISTEN TO MUSIC AND IT WAS, IT WAS GREAT. THAT'S, THAT'S MY REPORT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. MRS. OAKS. UM, YES MA'AM. UM, CHAIRMAN COLORS, I, ON 10 20, UM, I ATTENDED THE TOWN COUNTY LIAISON MEET, MEETING WITH THE REST OF THIS BOARD, AND WE DIDN'T PARTICIPATE MUCH, BUT WE WERE, UH, INFORMED AND IT WAS A VERY GOOD, I THINK, PRODUCTIVE MEETING WITH THE TOWN, UH, REPRESENTATIVES. UH, ON 10 26, DR. DAILEY AND I ATTENDED, UM, THE BLUE RIDGE SHADOWS HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION MEETING AND WE'RE ADDRESSING SOME OF THEIR CONCERNS GOING FORWARD. UM, THEY HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF, AND SO WE ARE WORKING ON THAT. AND THEN ON, UH, I DID NOT GET TO THE DSS EVENT BECAUSE I HAD A CONFLICT. UM, I HAVE THIS THING THAT, THAT INTERRUPTS MY ATTENDANCE TO THINGS. THAT'S, IT'S MY JOB, . AND SO MY EMPLOYMENT PREVENTED ME FROM BEING THERE. BUT I HEARD THAT IT WAS A WONDERFUL EVENT. AND THEN ON 10 29, I DID HOMETOWN HALLOWEEN AND THE ZOMBIE WALK, AND WE GAVE OUT CANDY TO HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF LITTLE CHILDREN, AND SOME OF THEM IN THE MOST CREATIVE, CREATIVE COSTUMES I HAVE EVER SEEN. UH, SO IT WAS GREAT. THERE WERE FAMILY STRESSED IN, LIKE FAMILY THEMED TO COSTUMES. AND I'M GONNA TELL YOU, I DON'T HAVE THAT LEVEL OF CREATIVITY, BUT IT IT WAS EXCITING TO SEE ALL THOSE PEOPLE PARTICIPATING IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND I, I DO BELIEVE IT WAS THE LARGEST [00:30:01] HOMETOWN HALLOWEEN EVENT YEAH. THAT WE'VE EVER HOSTED. UM, AND THEN I DO WANNA MENTION THAT ELECTION DAY IS NEXT TUESDAY, BUT YOU CAN STILL VOTE EARLY. UM, SATURDAY IS, THEY'RE ACTUALLY OPEN AND YOU CAN VOTE ON SATURDAY. UM, BUT IF YOU DON'T GET THERE, PLEASE MAKE A POINT OF VOTING NEXT. UH, TUESDAY WE HAVE A CONGRESS, A CONGRESSIONAL RACE, AND WE HAVE, IF YOU LIVE IN TOWN, WE HAVE TOWN COUNCIL THAT ARE ON THE BALLOT. UM, AND THEN DRUG COURT, OUR DRUG COURT IS MOVING ALONG VERY, VERY WELL. I, UH, ACTUALLY RAN INTO SOME FOLKS OVER THE WEEKEND. WE TALKED ABOUT DRUG COURT. UM, THE TRAINING FOR OUR DRUG COURT STAKEHOLDERS AND BOARD WILL BEGIN IN THE MIDDLE OF NOVEMBER. UM, AND THAT IS EXTRAORDINARY BECAUSE NORMALLY THERE IS A MUCH LONGER WAIT TO GET ON THE TRAINING SCHEDULE. AND WE WERE, UH, VERY FORTUNATE TO GET A SPOT, UH, THAT WAS VACATED BY SOMEBODY ELSE. AND SO, UM, AT THIS POINT, DRUG COURT IS EXPECTED HOPEFULLY TO GET AN APPROVAL BY NEXT MAY, AND THEN OUR DOCKET WOULD FOLLOW. UM, I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. UM, I TOO ATTENDED THE LIAISON MEETING AND I THOUGHT IT WENT VERY WELL. I AM PLEASED WITH THE PROGRESS WE ARE MAKING TOGETHER FOR OUR COMMUNITY. UM, BROWNTOWN COMMUNITY, UM, IS STILL WORKING ON THEIR VISIONING OF WHAT THEY'D LIKE FOR BROWNTOWN TO BE FOR THE FUTURE. AND, UM, THEY'RE GONNA PRESENT THAT TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, UM, COMMISSIONED WHEN, UM, THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO THOSE MEETINGS ARE ALWAYS, UM, UH, WELL ATTENDED AND, UH, A LOT OF GOOD CONVERSATION GOES ON THERE. WENT TO THE WARREN COUNTY CONTRACTORS MEETING. UH, THEY MEET ONCE A MONTH AND, UM, IT WAS, UM, IT'S ALWAYS INTERESTING TO TALK WITH THEM AND HEAR HOW THEIR, WHAT THEIR AREA OF BUSINESS IS DOING IN OUR COUNTY. AND THEN I DID A, UH, NIKKI FOSTER INVITED ME TO, UH, HOLIDAY MARKETING WEBINAR GIVEN BY JANET MICHAELS. AND, UM, THAT WAS IT. IT'S, IT WAS A WONDERFUL, JANET MICHAELS DOES, SHE JUST DOES AWESOME JOBS WITH WHATEVER SHE DOES. BUT, UM, A LOT OF GREAT IDEAS OF HOW BUSINESSES CAN HELP EACH OTHER. UM, DURING THE HOLIDAYS AND A LOT OF GOOD HOLIDAY, I'M EXCITED TO SEE WHAT MAIN STREET IS GONNA LOOK LIKE, LIKE FOR THE HOLIDAYS. SO, UM, I ENJOYED BEING THAT HOMETOWN HALLOWEEN. I, I AGREE WITH WHAT, UH, WALTON AND, UM, OR MR. MA AND MRS. OATS, IT WAS, UH, IT'S ALWAYS GREAT TO BE A PART OF THINGS WITH CHILDREN AND IT WAS A LOT OF CREATIVE FAMILY AT IT, YOU KNOW, HAVEN'T SEEN THAT FOR A WHILE. USUALLY WE JUST LET THE KIDS DO IT. BUT, UM, THERE WAS A JURASSIC PARK THEME WHERE THEY, I THINK IT WAS A WAGON THAT WAS CONVERTED IN TO LOOK LIKE THE, UH, JEEP THAT WENT THROUGH JURASSIC PARK AND THE PARENTS AND THE OTHER KIDS WERE IN COSTUME TO MATCH IT. SO IT WAS REALLY COOL. UM, BOOT DRIVE IS ON. WE HAVE A BOOT. I THINK LAST YEAR I MADE, UM, BROUGHT IT TO A MEETING AND SAID IF ANYBODY BROKE THE RULES OF, UH, THE BUSINESS, UH, MEETING, THEY HAD TO PUT MONEY IN THE BOOT. NOBODY BROKE IT, BUT THERE WAS MONEY PUT IN THE BOOT. UM, BUT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, UM, THE GUYS GET TOGETHER, I THINK MISSY HENRY STARTED THIS AND I DON'T REMEMBER HOW MANY YEARS AGO TO, UM, GO OUT COLLECTING MONEY TO HELP NEEDY FAMILIES. AND SHE PUTS IN AN AMAZING AMOUNT. SHE GOES OUT, BUYS ALL THE STUFF, WRAPS IT ALL. I TOLD HER I'D HELP HER LAST YEAR, BUT SHE'S GOT HER METHOD AND THAT BETWEEN HER AND THE GUYS AND THE GIRLS AND THE VO UM, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THEY DO AN AMAZING JOB. SO, UM, WE LOOK FORWARD TO DOING THAT THIS WEEKEND. UH, PACK THE BUS STARTS MONDAY, I BELIEVE. YEAH. AND UM, SO IF YOU, AND I THINK THERE'S SOME FRIENDLY COMPETITION GOING ON. THAT EMAIL WENT OUT YESTERDAY. I'VE ALREADY GOT MY LITTLE CASE OF FOOD IN THE BACK OF THE CAR CUZ THIS YEAR WE'RE GONNA GIVE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT A LITTLE MORE RUN FOR THEIR MONEY ON THAT. UM, AND I THINK, I THINK THAT, WELL, WHAT A MINUTE REVEREND BOYETTE DID GIVE ME LIVING WATERS. CHRISTIAN CHURCH IS GONNA FEED THE HUNGRY NOVEMBER 5TH, STARTING AT NOON AT FANTASY PARK. THAT'S ACROSS FROM WENDY'S. AND THEY'LL BE THERE GIVING AWAY FOOD, UM, PREPARED MEALS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. UM, AND I THINK HE SAID MAYBE SOME CLOTHING UNTIL, UH, FROM NOON UNTIL IT'S ALL GONE. SO IF YOU KNOW ANYBODY THAT COULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT [00:35:01] OR IF YOU WANNA VOLUNTEER TO HELP THEM, WE'VE GOT FLYERS. AND I THINK THAT'S IT FOR ME. DR. DAILEY. THANK YOU MA'AM. UM, NUMBER ONE, I HOPE YOU'RE ALL ENJOYING YOUR LITTLE IPADS AND, UH, WE ARE CELEBRATING, UH, MRS. SHIRA'S WORK ON THIS FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS AND THERE ARE STICKY BUNS IN THE OTHER ROOM FOR YOU WHEN YOU GET TO THEM. UM, WE ARE IN MORNING, UH, MR. ROBERTSON HAS ADVISED US THAT HE WILL BE MOVING TO CALIFORNIA AND LEAVING THE COUNTY ON JANUARY THE SIXTH. AND, UM, HEAVY SIGH. WE, UH, APPRECIATE HOW MUCH HE HAS DONE FOR US IN THE PAST, UH, 15, 16 MONTHS THERE IN MOVING OUR FINANCES ALONG. AND WE'RE IN A MUCH BETTER POSITION THAN WE WERE A YEAR AGO. SO WE WISH HIM THE VERY BEST AT THIS. WE'RE SORRY TO SEE HIM GO, BUT WE'RE PLEASED THAT HE HAS THIS OPPORTUNITY AND IT WORKS FOR HIM. WELL, IF I CAN SAY ONE THING. YES, MR. ROBERTSON, YOU BROKE YOUR PROMISE. YOU WERE, YOUR TENURE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AS LONG AS MY TENURE , CONGRATULATIONS AND GOOD LUCK. UM, HE WILL BE LEAVING JUST AFTER THE AUDIT. THE AUDIT REPORT IS DUE JANUARY 3RD. SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO FARMER COX COMING UP WITH THE AUDIT AT THAT TIME. UM, ALSO WE HAVE HIRED THE NEW BUDGET ANALYST, MEGAN CHESHIRE WILL BE STARTING IN ABOUT TWO WEEKS AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT. AND WE WILL BE ADVERTISING, UH, MATT'S POSITION, UH, ASAP. UM, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING THE PAST, UH, SEVERAL MONTHS. WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, UH, BACKUP AND SO FORTH IN OUR BUILDING INSPECTION, OUR PERMIT PROCESS. AND I WANT TO CONDEN COMMEND, UH, DAVID BEAM FOR THE WORK THAT HE HAS DONE WITH HIS AND HIS STAFF. THEY HAVE DONE OVER THE PAST, UH, THREE MONTHS TO BRING THAT, UH, TOGETHER. AND INSTEAD OF BEING, UH, A COUPLE OF MONTHS IN ALSO THE ZONING DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE THEY WERE PART OF THAT PROCESS, UH, WE'RE NOW VERY CLOSE TO CAUGHT UP TO WHERE YOU'RE GETTING YOUR PERMIT WITHIN THE WEEK THAT YOU ISSUED. UH, MR. BEAM HAS HIRED TWO NEW EMPLOYEES, ONE OF WHICH HAS ALREADY STARTED, AND I WOULD LIKE HIM TO INTRODUCE HIM NOW. THANK DR. DE ADAM CHAIR. UH, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, SHANE PHILLIPS HAS JOINED US IN THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS DEPARTMENT. HE IS GOING TO BE THE DEPUTY BUILDING OFFICIAL, UH, AS YOU MOST LIKELY KNOW, UH, MARK ROBINSON RETIRED AFTER FIVE YEARS AFTER HIS LONG CAREER IN EDUCATION. AND, UH, HE'S ACTUALLY BACK HELPING US MAINTAINING OUR, UH, PERMIT PROCESS AT THIS POINT IN TIME. BUT HE'S ALSO TOLD ME THAT DECEMBER 8TH, HE IS FULLY RETIRED. SO, UH, HOPEFULLY EVERYTHING WILL BE CAUGHT UP BY THEN. AND SHANE WILL STEP INTO THAT POSITION, ACTUALLY HAS ALREADY. BUT, UH, SHANE COMES TO US FROM AN EDUCATION BACKGROUND CURRENTLY, UH, WELL PREVIOUSLY, JUST RECENT, UH, HE HAD DONE IN THE EARLY EDUCATION PORTION OF IT, BUT A LOT OF HIS BACKGROUND HAD BEEN IN THE TECHNICAL TRADES PROGRAM AS WELL. HE WORKED AT, UH, CU PEPPER, UH, PAGE CAROLINE. SO HE HAS THAT BACKGROUND AND ALSO AS FAR AS THE PRIVATE SECTOR. BUT, UH, IF YOU'D LIKE TO JOIN ME IN WELCOMING TO THE COUNTY, I'D APPRECIATE IT. WELCOME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. AND WELCOME SIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, THE CHAIRMAN MENTIONED THE, UM, FILL THE BUS. WE ENCOURAGE YOUR PARTICIPATION AND BRING IT HERE. DO NOT TAKE IT TO FIRE ADMINISTRATION. COMPETITION IS DEFINITELY ON, UH, THE, UM, COUNTY. IT WILL BE SUPPORTING THE, UM, SALVATION ARMY BELL KETTLE RINGING CAMPAIGN THIS YEAR. AND [00:40:01] ON DECEMBER 2ND, DECEMBER 9TH AND DECEMBER 16TH. THOSE ARE ALL FRIDAYS, UH, COUNTY EMPLOYEES WILL BE RINGING THE BELL. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO PARTICIPATE, LET, UH, JANE MEADOWS KNOW AND SHE'LL GET YOU A SLOT IN THERE. WE'D BE HAPPY TO HAVE YOUR PARTICIPATION THERE. I'LL REMIND YOU, YOU'VE ALL RECEIVED NOTICE OF THE, UH, BRIDGE CEREMONY THAT REVEREND JOHNSON HAS BEEN PLANNING, AND IT IS SCHEDULED FOR 2:00 PM ON NOVEMBER THE 19TH OUT AT THE RIVERTON METHODIST CHURCH. AND THERE IS NO WORK SESSION NEXT WEEK DUE TO ELECTION DAY. AND YOUR MEETING ON THE 15TH OF NOVEMBER. I KNOW, I KNOW. SO IS BEING MOVED ONE DAY TO THE 16TH BECAUSE THE BOARD WILL, MEMBERS WILL BE ATTENDING THE VIRGINIA, UH, CONFERENCE ON, UH, COUNTY COUNTY ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES. SO THE MEETING, NEXT MEETING WILL BE THE 16TH RATHER THAN THE 15TH. AND, UM, FINALLY, FOR YOUR INFORMATION, THE, UH, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WAS RAISED AT OUR MEETING WITH BLUE RIDGE SHADOWS IS THE QUESTION OF WHY IN THE OTHER, UH, SUBDIVISIONS THEY HAVE PROFFERED SOMETHING. USUALLY IT'S UPFRONT MONEY TO THE COUNTY OR LAND. UH, WE TALKED ABOUT NEW SUBDIVISIONS THAT ARE COMING IN THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP US WITH THE ACCESS FROM, UH, SHENANDOAH SHORES TO DOWNTOWN TO AVOID THE RAILROAD. UH, IN THE CASE OF BLUE RIDGE SHADOWS, THE DEVELOPER COMMITTED EACH OF THE PROPERTIES TO AN ASSESSMENT OF $200 A YEAR FOR FIRE AND RESCUE SERVICES TO SUPPORT THE NORTH WARREN FIRE DEPARTMENT. AND, UM, THEY QUESTION WHY THEY ARE THE ONLY SUBDIVISION THAT HAS THIS PROVISION. AND WE'RE NOW APPROXIMATELY 20 YEARS AFTER THIS WAS ENACTED AND IT HAD NOT BEEN ENACTED ON ANYBODY ELSE. UM, THE COUNTY'S, UM, THE PROFFER AGREEMENT IS LEGAL AND VALID. UH, IT REMAINS IN EFFECT. THE COUNTY DOES HAVE THE OPTION OF CONSIDERING A CHANGE TO THIS AS WHAT THEY ARE REQUESTING. UH, PART OF WHAT YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER IS WHAT YOU WOULD DO WITH ANY OTHER PROFFERS. DOES IT OPEN A A GATE? WELL, I DON'T WANNA HONOR MY PROFFER EITHER. YOU HAVE A BIG PROFFER OUT ON HAPPY CREEK THAT, YOU KNOW, IS IN CONTENTION WITH ONE OF YOUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS THAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT IN CLOSED SESSION AFTER BIT AND WHETHER YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO WAIVE THAT. AND IT'S IN, IT'S THE PROPERTY IN THE TOWN THAT HAS THE PROFFER TOWARDS THE COUNTY. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MAAM. MR. HAM. I'VE GOT A REPORT TOO, BUT IF I CAN HAVE ONE BRIEF SECOND. WHILE YOU'RE DOING THAT, MRS. SHIRAI, I WANNA THANK YOU FOR MY TRAINING ON MY IPAD . YOU'RE WELCOME. I I AM NOT THE MOST, UH, TECHNICALLY TECHNICAL EFFICIENT PERSON, BUT YOU MADE IT VERY SIMPLE AND SO FAR I'M NOT UP HERE FEELING LIKE I WANNA THROW THIS ACROSS THE ROOM. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. RESOLUTION I HAD, EMILY REMINDED ME, IF YOU MOVE YOUR REGULAR MEETING, YOU HAVE TO PUT IT IN THE PAPER AND PASS THE RESOLUTION. I WAS WORRIED THAT THAT HADN'T BEEN DONE, BUT IN FACT, WHEN YOU ADOPTED YOUR MEETING SCHEDULE LAST JANUARY, THIS WAS ALREADY TAKEN CARE OF. SO THAT'S WHAT THAT WAS ABOUT. UM, SO, UH, THE LINDON VOLUNTEER FIRE STATION, THAT'S A, AN [00:45:01] ITEM THAT WAS PULLED FROM THE AGENDA TODAY. THERE'S REALLY TWO ITEMS TO IT. UM, THE MAIN ONE THAT MY OFFICE IS WORKING ON IS THAT IF A VOLUNTEER ORGANIZATION SELLS OR GIVES SOMETHING TO SOMEONE, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S A CIRCUMSTANCE IN WHICH THEY'RE GIVING AWAY ALL OR SUBSTANTIALLY ALL OF THEIR ASSETS OR SELLING ALL OR SUBSTANTIALLY ALL OF THEIR ASSETS THERE WILL BE IN THEIR BYLAWS AND ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION OR POSSIBLY BOTH, UM, A PROCEDURE IN WHICH THAT HAS TO BE DONE. AND SO IN ORDER TO AVOID HAVING A TITLE PROBLEM OR AN ISSUE WITH THE COUNTY, THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DIG INTO A LITTLE BIT. AND FROM, I'VE, I'VE ACTUALLY, THIS IS THE THIRD PROJECT LIKE THIS. I'VE HAD THIS YEAR AND A LOT OF TIMES WITH VOL, I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, THERE, THIS ORGANIZATION MIGHT BE GREAT, BUT THE OTHER TWO HAD ISSUES WITH THEIR BYLAWS AND ARTICLES INCORPORATION AND, YOU KNOW, WHERE THERE WERE CONFLICTING THINGS ABOUT THE NOTICES THAT HAD TO BE GIVEN BEFORE THAT ACTION COULD BE TAKEN. SO WE'RE FIDDLING WITH THAT. UM, WE HAVE LOOKED AT THE TITLE, THE TITLE IS FINE. UM, THERE'S A FEW MINOR THINGS LIKE RIGHT OF WAY ACCESS, EASEMENT, SOME SORT OF THINGS YOU FIND IN EVERY TITLE, BUT THAT PART OF IT'S FINE, BUT THAT TAKES A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO DO. SO THE SECOND PART OF THE PROJECT, AND THIS IS GONNA BE THE SUBJECT OF A FUTURE WORK SESSION, UM, IS THIS TEMPORARY AGREEMENT THAT BASICALLY, UH, UH, WE HAD A, A CLOSE SESSION A WHILE AGO, UM, ON THIS ISSUE. AND, AND I GAVE YOU A MORE DETAILS ABOUT WHAT WAS HAPPENING THERE. BUT THIS WOULD ENABLE, UH, RENOVATIONS TO START IN THE FIRE STATION BEFORE MY OFFICE HAS COMPLETED THAT REVIEW, WHICH MIGHT MEAN THAT THE VOLUNTEERS HAVE TO GO BACK AND HAVE ANOTHER MEETING OR GO THROUGH ANOTHER NOTICE PROJECT PROCESS, WHICH WAS GONNA TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME. SO THAT HAS BEEN PULLED FROM THE AGENDA FOR TODAY AND IT'LL BE THE SUBJECT OF A FUTURE WORK SESSION. BUT, UH, DR. DALEY WANTED ME TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE UPDATE ON THAT ASPECT OF THE PROJECT AND, UM, THAT'S WHAT I JUST DID. OKAY. UM, MR. HAM ON THE ITEM OF THE BLUE RIDGE SHADOWS PROFFER ABOUT GIVING OR PROFFERING IN PERPETUITY A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY PER HOUSEHOLD, AND APPARENTLY THAT PRACTICE WAS IN PLACE 20 YEARS AGO, BUT SINCE I AM TOLD BY THEM THAT THAT PRACTICE HAS BEEN TERMINATED, UH, BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY, CAN YOU LOOK INTO THAT, THAT FOR US AND, AND LET US KNOW IF WHAT THE CODE, UH, ACTUALLY SAYS ABOUT BEING ABLE TO PROFFER IN PERPETUITY, A, UM, A SUBDIVISION FOR IN ESSENCE A FIRE TAX OR SOMETHING ALONG THAT LINE. YEAH, I'LL BE HAPPY TO DO THAT. I'M, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY LEGISLATIVE CHANGE THAT WOULD ELIMINATE EXISTING PROFFERS. PROFFERS ARE VERY HEAVILY, HEAVILY REGULATED. UM, YOU KNOW, YEAH, I THINK PROBABLY I'LL WOULD WANNA LOOK INTO THAT AND THEN PROBABLY GIVE YOU THE ANSWER. UM, MAYBE NOT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IN A, IN A CLOSE SESSION ON, ON LEGAL ADVICE. THANK YOU. SURE. OKAY. MR. MAAM, YOUR REPORT, SIR, BUT MR. BUT OH, SH SORRY, MR. BUTLER. UH, I HAVE NOTHING TO REPORT AT THIS POINT. OKAY, THANK YOU. SORRY, WAS LOOKING AT YOU MR. MABE. AND TURN MY HEAD TOO FAST. OKAY. [H. Approval of Minutes] APPROVAL OF MINUTES. ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS? MISS, MISS, UM, CALLERS, CHAIRMAN, CALLERS, I, THERE IS A CORRECTION AND RARELY IS THERE A CORRECTION, BUT ON UM, PAGE, HOLD ON. I TOOK A NOTE FROM READING IT. IT, IT ACTUALLY IDENTIFIES ROUTE 55 AS JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY AND ROUTE 55 AS STRASBURG ROAD. IN THAT PARTICULAR INSTANCE THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, IT WAS THE, UM, THE PUBLIC HEARING ON, UM, ON THE RECREATIONAL. SO THAT'S THE ONLY CHANGE. DOES IT NOT, NOT SPLITTING HAIRS, BUT ISN'T IT STILL JOHN MARSHALL, EVEN THOUGH IT'S EAST AND WEST? I THINK, I THINK SO. ARE YOU SURE? I THINK SO. I THINK, I THINK IT'S JOHN MARSHALL FROM, FROM HERE OR INTO THE OTHER AND THEY JUST, YEAH, I THINK, I THINK, I THINK THEY, THAT'S A, THEY CALL, WE CALL IT STR ROAD. I THINK THE OFFICIAL, I THINK IT'S LIKE THREE 40 IS STILL THREE 40 AT KNOWS. YES. VERIFY THAT FOR US. MR. WENLING, I'M SO SORRY, MAYBE I'M WRONG THERE. THERE'S AN EAST AND THE WEST. THIS IS MATT WITH PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THERE'S A EAST AND A WEST STRASSBURG ROAD AT THAT INTERSECTION AND THEY KIND OF REFERRED TO THAT AS STRAUSBERG ROAD, BUT UH, I BELIEVE THE [00:50:01] WHOLE THING IS IS JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY FROM THE MOST EASTERN PART OF THE COUNTY TO THE MOST WESTERN PART OF THE COUNTY. BUT IT DOES, IT IS IDENTIFIED IN OUR GIS IS EAST AND WEST STR ROAD WEST, UH, THERE AT THE INTERSECTION EAST BEING JUST IN RIVERTON. OKAY. SO ONCE YOU GET THROUGH TOWN AND EVERYTHING, IT'S TYPICALLY KNOWN AS JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY. SO IT, YOU IT'S BIT, GUESS IT'S GROWING UP HERE THING? YEAH, IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING, BUT, BUT UM, BUT YEAH, IF YOU ARE IDENTIFYING A SPECIFIC PORTION, I WOULD SAY PROBABLY EAST OF THE TOWN, I WOULD REFER TO IT AS JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY. IF YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE PORTION BETWEEN, UM, THE TOWN AND, UH, STRASSBURG ITSELF, OR RO SHENDO COUNTY, MAYBE YOU COULD CALL THAT STRASBURG ROAD, YOU KNOW, JUST FOR KIND OF A CLARIFICATION THING. BUT THE ROAD TO STR OR DISABLED ROAD, YOU SHOULD SAY ROUTE 55. . IT'S PAGE FOUR. I JUST WANTED TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS CLARIFIED SO THAT IN THE FUTURE THERE MIGHT NOT BE ANY CONFUSION ABOUT WHERE THAT WAS LOCATED. UM, I'VE NEVER HEARD THAT, THAT CALL IN MY ENTIRE TIME HERE. I'VE NEVER HEARD IT CALLED JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY . ARE THOSE MINUTES OF SEPTEMBER 27TH? THAT'S CORRECT. AND PAGE FOUR OF 12? YEP, IT'S ON PAGE FOUR. ARE THERE ANY OTHER CORRECTIONS? UM, IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE SEPTEMBER 27TH, UH, 2022 MEETINGS WITH THOSE CORRECTIONS MADAME CHAIRS WHO MOVED? IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND ROLE CALL MRS. SHIRAKI. MR. BUTLER? I, MRS. OATS? I, MADAME CHAIR? I MRS. COOK? AYE. MR. MABE? AYE. THE REGULAR MEETING OF OCTOBER 4TH, 2022. ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS? IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED? SO MOVE MADAME CHAIR. SECOND. SECOND. ROLL CALL. MRS. SHIRAKI. MR. MABE? AYE. MRS. COOK? AYE. MADAME CHAIR? AYE. MRS. OATS? AYE. MR. BUTLER? AYE. [I. Consent Agenda] OKAY. THE CONSENT AGENDA, ARE THERE ANY ITEMS TO PULL FOR DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED? SO MOVED. SECOND. SECOND. ROLL CALL. MRS. SHIRAKI. MR. BUTLER? AYE. MRS. OATS? I, MADAME CHAIR? I MRS. COOK? AYE. MR. MABE? AYE. OKAY, [J. 2023 General Reassessment, Pearson's Appraisal Service - Sherry Sours / Caitlin Jordan] ITEM J IS 2023. GENERAL REASSESSMENT PEARSON'S APPROVE APPRAISAL SERVICES AND IS MRS. PEARSON? GOOD MORNING, SIR. GOOD MORNING, ED. UH, MY NAME IS FRED PEARSON. PEARSON APPRAISAL SERVICE FOR ABOUT THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON, UM, THE PROPERTY REASSESSMENT HERE IN WARREN COUNTY. AS YOU KNOW, THE LAST FEW YEARS YOU'VE HAD SOME REAL LARGE INCREASES IN, UM, PROPERTY VALUES HERE. UM, YOU'LL PROBABLY GET THE LARGEST INCREASE THAT YOU'VE EVER RECEIVED ON RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. UM, I'VE ALSO INCREASED RATES ON COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIALS TWO, BUT YOUR MAIN INCREASE IS GONNA COME FROM RESIDENTIAL. UH, THE LARGER YOUR INCREASE YOU HAVE, THE MORE APPEALS YOU HAVE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT APPROXIMATELY 40% INCREASE IN RESIDENTIAL HOMES. UH, AND THE COUNTY, ABOUT 45% IN THE TOWN OR FRONT ROW. UM, YOU SMALLER HOMES, YOU MAY BE LOOKING AT MORE THAN 50% INCREASE. WOW. LARGE INCREASES. UM, MY JOB IS TO TRY TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY HAS A FAIR AND EQUITABLE ASSESSMENT. WE'LL SEND NOTICES OUT, UH, IN DECEMBER. WE'LL HOLD HEARINGS IN JANUARY. UH, WE'LL BE AVAILABLE TO, UM, LISTEN TO PEOPLE'S CONCERNS. YOU WILL HAVE A LARGE AMOUNT OF APPEALS, WE'LL BE PREPARED FOR IT. UM, I WISH THERE WAS SOME O OTHER WAY, BUT WE HAVE TO PRAISE PROPERTY A HUNDRED PERCENT OF MARKET VALUE AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S GONNA TAKE. AND WE USE, AND WE'RE USING MOST, PRETTY MUCH ALL 2022 SALES. UH, AND THE MARKET HAS GONE UP IN 2022. BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. WHEN WE HOLD OUR HEARINGS, WE'RE GONNA LISTEN TO EVERYBODY'S CONCERN AND WE TRY TO MAKE SURE THEY GET A FAIR ASSESSMENT. BUT YOUR TOTAL ASSESSMENT [00:55:01] IS GONNA GO UP. UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I I THINK PROBABLY YOUR, YOUR TAX RATE WOULD NEED TO BE ADJUSTED. BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHERE WE ARE. I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FROM YOU. QUESTIONS. ARE WE MANAGER, CHAIR, ARE WE, I REALIZE THAT THEY WENT UP YES. THAT WE'VE, THEY'VE ALSO, BECAUSE OF WHAT'S BEEN DONE NATIONALLY, THAT UPWARD TICK HAS BEEN DRASTICALLY SLOWED DOWN OR STOPPED. CORRECT. AND ACTUALLY FALLING BACK THE OTHER WAY, I LOOKED AT, UM, SALES IN AUGUST, IN SEPTEMBER ACTUALLY IN THE COUNTY IT WENT DOWN. NO, IT WENT UP 1% MORE THAN I ANTICIPATED. UH, IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROW IT WENT DOWN 1%. SO YOUR VALUES RIGHT NOW ARE STILL HOLDING. NOW HOW LONG THAT LAST IS? I CAN'T TELL YOU. UH, I THINK THE FEDERAL RESERVE IS MEETING TODAY. YOU'LL PROBABLY GET ANOTHER, UH, INTEREST INCREASE. YEAH, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT 75 BASE POINTS. WELL, I'LL, I'LL LOOK AT IT AGAIN BEFORE WE SEND NOTICES OUT, UH, AND SEE WHAT THE MARKET IS SHOWING. I CAN PROBABLY LOOK AT YOUR, UM, NOVEMBER SALES BEFORE WE SEND NOTICES OUT OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER. AND WILL WE BE DOING THIS AGAIN IN THREE YEARS OR FOUR YEARS OR DID WE MAKE THAT DECISION? I THINK I, THAT'S ONE OF THE ITEMS FOR YOU TO DISCUSS. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, ED. UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU SEE THE MARKET DROPS, UH, CONSIDERABLY, MAYBE OVER FIVE OR 10%, YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER HAVING A WRITTEN ANOTHER REASSESSMENT EARLIER THAN THAT THAN WHAT YOU USUALLY HAVE SCHEDULED, UH, TO DO. BUT THAT, THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE BOARD. YOU CAN HAVE A REASSESSMENT ANYTIME YOU LIKE, BUT I DO THINK THINGS ARE LEVELING OFF AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHERE WE STAND NOW. I WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED NEXT YEAR IF IT DOESN'T DROP FIVE OR 10%, BUT, YOU KNOW, NOBODY KNOWS UNTIL THAT TIME COMES. I'M LOOKING AT IT, LOOKING AT IT THROUGH A CRYSTAL BALL. YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT WHAT I'M MOST CONCERNED ABOUT IS, IS OUR, OUR SENIOR CITIZENS WHO ARE LIVING ON A FIXED INCOME AND UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE TAXES GO UP LIKE THAT, UH, IT REALLY HURTS THEM. AND THAT PUTS IN A POSITION WHERE THEY HAVE TO DECIDE, OKAY, DO I GET LUNCH OR DO I GET MY MEDICINE? WELL, IF YOU WANNA BE AT LESS THAN A HUNDRED PERCENT, LET ME KNOW THAT I HAVE A JOB TO DO. AND THAT'S WHAT STATES IN MY CONTRACT, I DON'T LIKE IT BETTER THAN ANYBODY. ELSEAND. I'VE GOTTA DO MY JOB. AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT JUST HERE, I'M ALSO DOING A REASSESSMENT FOR THE CITY OF, UH, WINCHESTER TWO YEARS, 35% INCREASE. WELL THERE, YOU KNOW, JUST SO THE COMMUNITY KNOWS, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU SIR. UM, THAT THE COUNTY DOES HAVE A SENIOR, UM, TAX RELIEF PROGRAM RIGHT NOW, AND I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I I HOPE I'M NOT SPEAKING AT A, UM, TURN HERE, BUT MAYBE WE CAN REVIEW, REASSESS THE RELIEF PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW THAT MIGHT HELP SOME OF OUR SENIORS WITH THIS, UM, TAX ASSESSMENT. THERE'S THINGS TO CONSIDER MM-HMM. . YES. SO THAT'S PART OF MA'AM OF WHAT YOU GET TO LOOK AT WHEN YOU, CUZ THIS IS DOES NOT IMPACT THE DECEMBER BILLS. NO. THE BILLS THAT ARE GOING OUT THAT ARE DUE IN ANOTHER MONTH, UH, IT DOES THE BILLS THAT COME OUT FOR JUNE OF 23, UH, THE A HUNDRED PERCENT IS IMPORTANT TO THE COUNTY BECAUSE REMEMBER YOU HAVE A VERY HIGH PORTION OF PUBLIC SERVICE ENTITIES ON YOUR EVALUATIONS AND THOSE RATES ARE DETERMINED BY THE COMMONWEALTH AND THEY DO THAT BASED ON WHAT YOUR RATE IS. SO IF YOUR, IF YOUR RATE IS A HUNDRED PERCENT, THEY WILL THEN ASSESS THE PUBLIC SERVICE AGENCIES AT A HUNDRED PERCENT. IF, AS YOU KNOW, IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS OUR RATE HAS DECLINED EACH YEAR. SO THAT WE'RE NOW AT 80%, I BELIEVE IS WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW ABOUT 80, 73 RIGHT NOW. WELL THAT'S THE NEW ONE THEN CUZ A YEAR, THAT'S WHAT THE PUBLIC SERVICE IS BEING BASED ON RIGHT NOW. SO THAT MEANS THAT 73%, THAT THAT'S, THEY ONLY PAY 73% OF WHAT THEY OWE. [01:00:01] NOW ON THE GOOD SIDE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY SUBSIDIZE THE TOWN TOWNS WATER BILL TO YOUR LARGE PUBLIC SERVICE. THE BAD SIDE OF IT IS, IS THERE THAT HAT GOES INTO EFFECT WHEN THEY'RE PAYING LESS THAN $5 MILLION IN TAXES AND THEY'RE NOW DOWN THERE UNDER FOUR. DR. DALEY , FOR THOSE OF US WHO ARE NOT, UH, TOTALLY EDUCATED ON THIS BALANCE, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BALANCE BETWEEN COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL TAXATION, CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO THE COMMUNITY, SO THE REASSESSMENT, IF WE DO THE REASSESSMENT THEN IT WILL GO BACK TO 100% FOR THOSE ENTITIES THAT ARE PUBLIC SERVICE ENTITIES AND THEY'LL HAVE TO PAY 100% OF WHATEVER THEIR VALUATION IS. BUT WE HAVE TO DO THAT REASSESSMENT FOR RESIDENTIAL IN ORDER TO GET BACK TO THAT. IS THAT CORRECT? WELL ACTUALLY YOU DO IT COMBINED FOR RE ALL PROPERTIES. SO RESIDENTIAL, INDUSTRIAL, AND COMMERCIAL. SO IF WE DELAYED THE REASSESSMENT, IT WOULD ACTUALLY HURT TAXPAYERS NOT HELP THEM. WELL IT'S GOING TO CUT THAT FURTHER RIGHT AS TO WHAT YOU'RE PAYING. RIGHT. UM, LOOKING UH, AT THE LITTLE SCHEDULE WE DISCUSSED IN THE WORK SESSION, YOU NOTE THAT, UM, WE'RE GOING TO CUT THE RATE, THE BOARD WILL LOOK AT THE RATE AND REDUCE THE RATE APPROXIMATELY, UH, 20 CENTS BASED ON THE INCREASE. AND SO THE CURRENT TAX RATE TIMES EVALUATION EARNS X DOLLARS. AND WHEN WE PUT THE NEW VALUATION, WE WILL REDUCE THE TAX RATE UNTIL IT EARNS X DOLLARS, NO MORE THAN 101% OF THAT AMOUNT. THERE'S A 1% LEEWAY. WE DON'T HAVE TO HIT IT EXACT, BUT YOU'LL SEE IN THERE WHAT THE NUMBER IS. BUT YOU REDUCE THE RATE TO THAT UNLESS YOU DETERMINED THAT YOU WANT TO RAISE THE REAL ESTATE RATE, WHICH THE BOARD HAS INDICATED IT DOES NOT. SO WE'RE WORKING ON THE PROVISION THAT WE WILL REDUCE THE RATE TO LEVEL IT SO THAT THE TOTAL TAX COLLECTED WILL BE WITHIN FROM EVERYONE. THE TOTAL TAX WILL BE WITHIN 1% OF WHAT IT WAS LIKE THIS YEAR OF AVOIDING ANY GROWTH SUCH AS THE ONE YEAR WE HAD THIS INCREASE BECAUSE THE HOSPITAL AND THEN THERE IS A SMALL AMOUNT OF GROWTH EACH YEAR FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, BUT UH, THE BULK OF THE EVERYBODY ELSE, IT'S GONNA BE WITHIN 1% OF THE BASE. SO WHEN YOU SAY REDUCE THE TAX YES. ARE YOU SAYING REDUCE THE CURRENT TAX RATE THAT WE HAVE IMPOSED NOW? YEP. YES. YES. IT'S 65.5. SO YOU WILL, YOU WILL CHANGE THE RATE TO SOMETHING IN TERMS OF 45 CENTS THAT, AND IT'S 65. SO WHAT, HOW DOES THAT TAKE AWAY FROM US PROVIDING SERVICES TO THE COMMUNITY? WELL, YOU'LL RECEIVE THE, WE'LL RECEIVE THE SAME MONEY. SO IF WE'RE GETTING A HUNDRED DOLLARS IN TAXES OR MAKE IT EASIER A HUNDRED MILLION, WE WILL THEN, AND THE NEW VALUATIONS ARE UP EVERYWHERE. EVERYTHING IS UP 30%. SO WOULD IT, AND THIS IS JUST A, A QUESTION MM-HMM. , OKAY, SO WHY CAN'T WE JUST KEEP THE TAX RATE AS IS? WHY DO WE REDUCE IT? YOU REDUCE IT EVEN THOUGH, I'M SORRY GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. OH, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH WE KNOW THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTIES HAVE INCREASED, BUT WE ARE, BUT WE JUST KEEP EVERYTHING STATUS QUO FOR THIS GO AROUND. WELL IF YOU UM, IF YOU KEPT THE RATE AS IT IS AND THE VALUES WENT UP 20% OR MORE, UM, YOUR TAXPAYERS WOULD PROBABLY BE EMOTIONALLY CONCERNED. . I THINK THAT IF, WELL WE, WE, WE WOULD BE IN THE SAME SITUATION I WAS TELLING YOU ABOUT THE, WITH THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ON FIXED INCOME, ALL A SUDDEN [01:05:01] THEY SEE THEIR TAXES START GOING UP. THEY DON'T HAVE ANY MORE MONEY COMING IN. SO, WELL THAT YEAH, BUT THAT'S WHY I WAS SAYING WHY, WHY CAN'T WE JUST AS AN OPTION, YOU KNOW, OR SOMETHING TO LOOK INTO YOU. YEAH. YOU KNOW, UM, WHY EVEN THOUGH THEIR, THEIR PROPERTY VALUES ARE GOING UP BASED ON THE STATS THAT WAS JUST PRESENTED TO US, IF WE DON'T RAISE TAXES, I MEAN THE LAST TIME WE HAD THIS ASSESSMENT WAS FOUR YEARS AGO. YES. AND SO FOR THE PAST FOUR YEARS, THEY'VE BEEN PAYING THE SAME TAX RATE THAT WE'RE DOING NOW? NO. OKAY. BECAUSE PRIOR TO THIS BOARD, SO GO BACK FOUR YEARS, THERE WAS SIX OR SEVEN YEARS WHERE THE RATE WENT UP ONE MILL EACH YEAR AND THEN IT WENT UP 10% THE YEAR WHEN THIS BOARD WAS FIRST ELECTED. SO EVERYBODY AT HOME HAD A 10% INCREASE THAT YEAR. THEIR VALUES DIDN'T CHANGE CUZ WE HADN'T DONE A NEW ASSESSMENT. WE JUST RAISED THE RATE 10 CENT. 6 CENTS. AND I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT THIS BOARD DID NOT DO THAT. THAT WAS, I SAID THAT SAID PRIOR TO THIS BOARD. YES. THAT WAS 2019. 2019. YES MA'AM. WELL, , SO IF I CAN JUST, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE DISCUSSIONS ON THIS, YOU KNOW, GOING FORWARD AND, AND COMING UP WITH, UH, WHAT'S GONNA BENEFIT EVERYBODY IF I TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO, TO EXPRESS MY, UM, OPINION ON WHICH WAY WE'RE GOING. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE REDUCE THE, THE CURRENT TAX RATES AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, IT TAKES AWAY FROM OUR REVENUE, UH, THAT WE BRING IN THAT SUPPORTS THE SERVICES FOR OUR COMMUNITY, THE SCHOOLS, PUBLIC WORKS, REC, EV, ALL OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS. AND I JUST HOPE WE CAN BE SMART ABOUT WHERE WE GO WITH OUR DECISION THAT WILL BALANCE AND NOT TAKE AWAY THE SERVICES THAT WE HAVE TO PROVIDE TO THE, TO OUR COMMUNITY AS WELL. I MEAN, CASE IN POINT, I MEAN WE, WE REDUCE THE, UM, UH, THE, THE CAR, THE VEHICLE TAX BY 20%, WELL THAT TOOK AWAY APPROXIMATELY A MILLION OR SO REVENUE FROM THE COMMUNITY TO THE COMMUNITY. SO I'M JUST WANNA JUST TO SAY THAT I HOPE WE'RE SMART IN HOW YOU KNOW IT, IT'S NOT JUST, I MEAN WE, IT'S LIKE A THREE LEGGED STOOL. YES MA'AM. WE HAVE A THREE LEGGED STOOL THAT I FEEL THAT, UH, THAT I LOOK AT AS WE GOTTA KEEP THAT BALANCE AND TAKE EV AND TAKE EVERYBODY IN CONSIDERATION, YOU KNOW? YES MA'AM. SO, UH, AND THAT'S JUST, I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT ON, ON RECORD. SO CHAIR, CAN I MAKE A COMMENT? CHAIRMAN KOHLERS. AND SO I THINK THAT, UM, WHAT THEY'RE SAYING THOUGH IS THAT THE STARTING POINT OF HOW MUCH THE, THE PROPERTIES ARE ASSESSED WILL, IF WE LOWER THE TAX RATE, THE NUMBER'S STILL GONNA BE THE SAME AS IF WE DIDN'T. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT. IT'S A SCALE POINT, RIGHT? IS THE BALANCES, THE AMOUNT REVENUE YOU GET END IS GONNA BE THE SAME. THE THE END RESULT IS THE REVENUE WILL BE THE SAME BECAUSE YOU'RE STARTING WITH A MUCH HIGHER VALUATION THAN YOU WOULD'VE BEEN. SO THE TAX WILL BE THE SAME. IT'S NOT GONNA GO DOWN. AND, AND I CAN TELL YOU JUST LET BE SMART ABOUT IT. THAT'S, UM, THAT THIS WILL BE A HUGE E EVEN IF THAT NUMBER 65.5 WAS NOT TO CHANGE, IT'S A HUGE TAX INCREASE. BUT THAT'S ON DOWN THE HORIZON. CORRECT. YOU NEED TO CORRECT. BRING YOUR FOCUS DOWN TO TODAY. CORRECT. THE DISCUSSION AND THE DECISION EMPHASIS ON THE WORD DECISION TODAY NEEDS TO BE, ARE YOU GOING TO APPOINT A BOARD OF ASSESSORS OR ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE YOUR ASSESSOR PERFORM THIS SERVICE AS WITH THE COMMISSIONER AS THEY HAVE IN THE PAST? BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE SCHEDULE, THEN WE NEED TO HAVE THIS DONE BY THE END OF DECEMBER. CORRECT. AND WE HAVE TO TRAIN THEM AND GET THEM SCHEDULED AND COMMITTED AND SO FORTH. SO WE NEED A DECISION ON THE, [01:10:01] HOW YOU WANT TO DO THE ASSESSMENT. DO YOU WANT THE ASSESSOR TO HOLD THE HEARINGS OR DO YOU WANT TO HAVE A BOARD OF ASSESSORS? AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE DECISION WE NEED TODAY. QUESTION FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS. UM, I KNOW I FOUND SOMEONE WHO IS WILLING TO BE A PARTICIPANT. DID ANYONE ELSE? I DID. I HAVE TWO ACTUALLY. I THINK THAT SHE WILL HAVE ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL WITH HER, UM, THAT SHE COULD RECOMMEND. SO WELL, OH, I'M JUST GO AND I MAY REAL QUICK. YES, MA'AM. JUST IN REVIEWING THE COVER SHEET THAT'S BEFORE YOU TODAY. IT DOES. THE MOTION INCLUDES APPOINTING FIVE MEMBERS TO THE BOARD OF ASSESSORS. THAT CANNOT HAPPEN. THE CODE ONLY GRANTS THIS BOARD THE ABILITY TO APPOINT THREE MEMBERS TO THE BOARD OF ASSESSORS. UM, SO THAT WILL NEED TO BE CHANGED TO, TO THREE. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, MAYBE WE CAN TALK OFFLINE ABOUT THAT. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT AT FIRST TOO. AND THAT WAS MY ORIGINAL OPINION. AND THE ORIGINAL CODE SITE IN HERE WAS NOT CORRECT. AND DID DID REFERENCE A CIRCUMSTANCE. IT WAS ONLY THREE, BUT THE THE RIGHT CODE SECTION, I, I'M PRETTY CONFIDENT IT IS FIVE AND THEN IT'S OKAY. OKAY. YEAH. AND I MAY NOT HAVE PUT YOU BACK IN THAT LOOP, MS. JORDAN. OKAY. THAT'S THE . SO DOES IT HAVE, DOES IT HAVE TO BE FIVE OR CAN IT BE 3, 2, 5? IT HAS TO BE, IT HAS TO BE AN ODD NUMBER. ODD NUMBER? WELL, BOTH OF THOSE WOULD BE THREE OR FIVE. THREE OR FIVE. OKAY. WELL, UH, TO ADD TO, UM, UH, DR. DALEY ABOUT TRAINING AND GETTING PEOPLE, BUT ALSO THESE PEOPLE ALSO HAVE TO, UM, HAVE A DISCLOSURE. THEY HAVE TO, UM, FILE CONFLICT OF INTEREST. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. SO I'VE HAD TO DO THAT MANY TIMES IN MY CAREER AND IT DOES NOT HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. UM, AND THEN IF THERE'S ANY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE BACKUPS, YOU KNOW, IF WE STICK WITH THE ODD NUMBER, NUMBER THREE, YOU KNOW, UM, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE SHOULD HAVE FOUR AS A BACKUP IN CASE ANY OF THESE PEOPLE CANNOT SERVE ON THIS BOARD. I BELIEVE IT HAS. I THINK YOU CAN GO TO FIVE, HOWEVER, NOT FOUR. OKAY. RIGHT. WHATEVER NUMBER THAT THE BOARD AGREES WITH, YOU KNOW? SO, UM, I MEAN, THERE'S MORE TO JUST SAYING WE WANT TO APPOINT THESE MEMBERS THAT THEY'VE GOTTA GO THROUGH THE TRAINING. THEY HAVE TO BE, UM, UH, HAVE THE DISCLOSURES, ET CETERA. UM, I LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, IN MY SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, I'M LOOKING AT THE TIMELINE RIGHT NOW IN WHAT WE HAVE TO DO. I MEAN, IF WE HAD IN THE PAST TO UNDERSTAND TWO ASSESSMENTS, UH, THAT WE'VE ALWAYS HAD A THIRD PARTY TO COME IN AND, AND DO THESE ASSESSMENTS, THEN I THINK TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE HERE. I MEAN, WE ALREADY HAVE THE PEOPLE TRAINED. THEY'VE GONE THROUGH THIS TWICE ALREADY, UM, BECAUSE OF THE INCREASE AS THE APPOINT BROUGHT IN THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LARGE AMOUNT AMOUNT OF APPEALS. SO WOULD WOULD, ARE WE READY FOR A MOTION THEN? I MEAN, WELL, I'M JUST PUTTING MY OPINION. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO, UM, ADD TO IT OR, OR HAVE THEIR OPINION STATED. BUT ANYWAY, SO, UM, SO LIKE I SAID, IF WE HAVE THE PEOPLE TRAINED WHO ARE, WHO ARE PART OF WHO'VE GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS BEFORE, AND BECAUSE WE'RE ON A TIMELINE, UM, I THINK THAT, UH, THAT WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND JUST LET THE CON, YOU KNOW, THIRD PARTY TO COME IN AND DO THAT. UH, MY MY QUESTION WOULD BE WHAT ARE THE PROS AND CONS, YOU KNOW, OF HAVING, HAVING A SEPARATE BOARD DO THIS VERSUS, YOU KNOW, THE TRADITIONAL WAY OF DOING IT? WHAT ARE THE PROS AND CONS TO THAT? CAN I WELL, OH, GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY. UH, CAN I ANSWER THAT QUESTION FOR YOU? YES. NORMALLY I WOULD RECOMMEND IT, BUT SINCE YOU GET SUCH A LARGE INCREASE, I WOULD RECOMMEND IT. I'VE WORKED WITH BOARDS BEFORE IN THE PAST. UM, I THINK IT'S NICE WHEN PEOPLE COME IN THAT THEY'RE TALKING TO SOMEONE FROM THE COUNTY TOO. YES. UM, I'M SORRY. KEEP IN MIND I THINK IT'S NICE WHENEVER THEY COME IN TO APPEAL THEIR ASSESSMENT, THEY HAVE ANOTHER PROPERTY OWNER IN THE COUNTY TO TALK TO. OKAY. UH, I THINK THAT'S GOOD. YOU'RE ALSO GONNA HAVE A BOARD OF EQUALIZATION AFTER I FINISH MY WORK, THE BOARD BOARD OF ASSESSORS FINISH THEIR WORK. THERE WILL BE ANOTHER SEPARATE BOARD THAT THEY CAN APPEAL TO ALSO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND THAT WAS GONNA BE MY SUGGESTION IS, UH, THAT WE USE A BOARD BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THIS IS LARGE, THIS IS GONNA BE VERY DIFFICULT TO NAVIGATE. AND HAVING LOCAL REPRESENTATIVES, I THINK WILL PUT THE COMMUNITY AT, AT EASE WHEN THEY COME IN TO AT LEAST SEE SOMEBODY THAT THEY RECOGNIZE AND NOT SOME THIRD PARTY WHO'S COME IN. AND, AND BECAUSE [01:15:01] WE ARE ALREADY DEALING WITH, UM, THE PERCEPTION THAT THE COUNTY ISN'T ALWAYS UP FRONT, UH, BECAUSE OF THE EDA STUFF, IT, I THINK IT JUST MAKES MORE SENSE THAT WE APPOINT A BOARD. SO IF, IF THAT IS THE BOARD'S PLEASURE, THEN ARE YOU GOING TO, YOU, YOU NEED THESE FIVE PEOPLE LIKE NO PEACE OUT. UM, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOTTA SCHEDULE AS THE TIMELINES THAT WE HAVE. WE NEED TO MEET, WE NEED TO HAVE THESE OUT THE END OF DECEMBER. COULD I ASK A QUESTION? COULD THE MOTION BE AMENDED THAT IF BY A DATE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH, THEN IT WOULD FALL BACK TO THE APPRAISER? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, I CAN DO IT ANYTIME. BUT YOU HAVE A CHOICE. YEAH. I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND THAT. THIS IS, I MEAN, THIS IS THE WHOLE TAXATION AND INCOME OF THE COUNTY, AND IF WE WE GET TOO CREATIVE, WE CAN GET OURSELVES IN IN TROUBLE. I DON'T THINK THAT THE CODE WOULD AUTHORIZE THAT. OKAY. THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THE QUESTION. YEAH. I DON'T DO ANYTHING WRONG. AND I BELIEVE THE BOARD OF ASSESSORS HAS TO BE DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS FROM THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION. YES. SO IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY WHO'S REALLY, YOU HAVE TOP, UH, QUALITY THERE, YOU NEED TO HOLD THEM. SO WE NEED 10 PEOPLE THAT'S RIGHT. FROM THE COMMUNITY. BUT, BUT YOU DON'T NEED 10 RIGHT NOW. YOU JUST NEED FIVE TO GET THINGS STARTED. AND WHEN DO YOU NEED THE OTHER FIVE BY? THEY'LL BE, UH, WE'LL BE DOING THAT IN JANUARY. OKAY. SO LOOKING AT YOUR TIMELINE RIGHT NOW, TODAY'S NOVEMBER 1ST, AND IT SAYS APPOINTS FIVE MEMBERS. THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPOINTS FIVE MEMBERS. OKAY. WHICH I DON'T THINK WERE QUITE THERE YET. AND WE HAVE NOT SCREENED THEM OR, YOU KNOW, TRAINED THEM. UM, WHAT POINT DO WE NEED TO HAVE A BOARD UP AND READY TO START TO BE PART OF THIS PROCESS? WELL, WE NEED THE BOARD TO, AS WE TALKED AT THE WORK SESSION, WE NEED THE BOARD TO APPOINT THE FIVE MEMBERS OF NOVEMBER ONE. THAT'S TODAY. YES, MA'AM. RIGHT. TO IF, IF YOU WANT TO HAVE THEM NOW, IF WE'RE GONNA PUSH THIS BACK, NOVEMBER 16TH IS ABSOLUTELY THE LATEST THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE FIVE. WE HAVE TO HAVE THEM APPOINTED, APPOINTED AND SCREENED. AND YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE THEM ALREADY TO GO SO THAT WE COULD SCHEDULE THEIR TRAINING, THEIR TRAINING. UM, AND IT MAY BE THAT WE NEED TO SCHEDULE A SPECIAL MEETING FOR NEXT WEEK. MM-HMM. , JUST FOR THE PURPOSE OF APPOINTING THIS AND IN AND OUT THE DOOR. BUT THAT YOU NEED TO, WE, THIS, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS LAST WEEK, IT WAS NOVEMBER ONE. WE NEED TO APPOINT IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE THIS BOARD AND, AND JUST TO ADD, UM, AT TO IT THAT IF WE DON'T HAVE A BOARD, IT, THIS APPEAL PROCESS, OR I CALL IT THE APPEAL GATE, IS NOT GOING AWAY. OH, NO. THEY STILL CAN COME. YES. THEY STILL HAVE THAT, YES. THAT RIGHT. TO COME IN AND APPEAL. YES. UM, THROUGH THE, THE COMMISSIONER'S OFFICE. IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, IT'D BE THE ASSESSMENT OFFICE. I'LL BE YOUR THE ASSESSMENT PROFESSIONAL ASSESSOR. THAT WOULD BE YOUR PERSONAL ASSESSMENT. I WOULD BE THE ONES AND PEOPLE THAT WORK WITH ME. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR, THIS IS ALL NEW TO ME. NO PROBLEM. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING. IT'S JUST, IT'S NOT GONNA BE EASY. UH, NO, IT'S NOT. LIKE I SAID, NORMALLY I DON'T RECOMMEND A BORDER ASSESSOR. IF YOU'RE GETTING AND SMALLER INCREASES, I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND IT. UH, IT MAY NOT BE A BAD IDEA NOW THAT YOU'RE GETTING SUCH A LARGE INCREASE. UH, DO, DO, UH, DO WE HAVE TO GET FIVE OR CAN WE GO WITH THREE? AS LONG AS IT'S IN, WE CAN HAVE THREE ODD NUMBER. YOU, YOU CAN, YOU, YOU CAN HAVE THREE. BUT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, SOME LOGISTICAL ISSUES OF PEOPLE BEING SICK, ET CETERA. SO THAT'S WHY I WAS JUST WONDERING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, PUSH COMES TO SHOVE. AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS, ARE THERE, ARE THERE SOME RECOMMENDED CRITERIA THAT, UH, THAT, THAT YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, LIKE SOMEBODY, UH, UH, I, I DON'T KNOW. DO YOU HAVE ANY RECOMMENDED CRITERIA? I WOULD SAY IF YOU, IF YOU DO KNOW OF SOMEBODY THAT HAS SOME EXPERIENCE WITH REAL ESTATE, WOULD BE GOOD BANKING, REAL ESTATE INTEGRITY. BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE. IT'S NUMBER ONE BIG TIME. AND NUMBER ONE, YOU HAVE SOMEBODY WHO'S NOT GONNA RECOMMEND A CHANGED ASSESSMENT BECAUSE [01:20:01] THEY KNOW SOMEONE. OKAY. AND INTEGRITY IS YOUR NUMBER ONE CRITERIA. AND HOW ABOUT THE, UH, UH, WILL THEY BE TIED UP EVERY DAY FOR FIVE DAYS A WEEK, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK? UH, WILL THEY BE TIED UP FOR HALF THE DAY? WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE 'EM SET UP. UH, I, I'LL PROBABLY HAVE THREE OR FOUR PEOPLE HERE HOLDING HEARINGS AND I'LL HAVE THEM WORKING WITH THE BOARD. IF SOME DAYS THEY CAN'T BE THERE, IT'D JUST BE ONE. WE HAVE THREE OTHER PEOPLE HOLDING HEARINGS. I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND. I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT WHAT THEY DID WAS THAT THEY, THEY WOULD GO OUT AND THEY'D TAKE A LOOK AT THE, THAT THEY WOULD MAKE AN ASSESSMENT OF THE, THE PROPERTY. UM, SIR, THEY'RE NOT, NOT GONNA HAVE TIME TO DO THAT. UM, THEY'RE GONNA BE THERE IN THE APPEALS AND THEY LIST TO THE PROPERTY OWNER'S CONCERNS. I HAVE ONE OF MY REPRESENTATIVES, RIGHT. WORKING WITH THEM, IT WILL NOT, THE WHOLE BOARD WILL NOT BE MEETING UNLESS IT'S PROBABLY A LARGER, UH, PROPERTY OWNER AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THEY MEET TOGETHER. UM, BUT, BUT WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE COMING IN. THE WHOLE BOARD WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SET AT ONE TIME. SO IF I MAY TO ADD TO THAT, WHAT WE ANTICIPATE IS THAT WE WILL HAVE APPROXIMATELY FOUR SESSIONS, ONE IN ROOM, AND MR. JONES HASN'T SET ALL THAT UP YET, BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE ONE IN ROOM A, ONE IN ROOM B, ONE IN ROOM C, AND ONE IN ROOM D. AND IN THAT ROOM WILL BE SOMEBODY FROM THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE WHO HAS, AND SOMEBODY FROM THE COMMISSIONER'S OFFICE. AND IF YOU APPOINT THIS BOARD, THEN ONE OF THESE BOARD MEMBERS, AND THEY WILL LOOK, THEY WILL HAVE ONLINE CAPABILITIES SO THEY CAN SEE THAT ALL THE PROPERTIES IN THIS AREA THAT ARE APPROXIMATELY 1500 SQUARE FEET AND TWO STORY SINGLE WITH A SINGLE FAMILY GARAGE, THEY ARE ALL VALUED AT X DOLLARS. AND THE CITIZEN WILL EXPLAIN WHY THEIR IS DIFFERENT THAN EVERYBODY ELSE, IS WHAT THIS BOILS DOWN TO. THAT'S WHAT'LL HAPPEN. THEY DON'T GO OUT AND LOOK, I DIDN'T, THEY'RE ON, THEY'RE ON THE SCREEN. I FIGURED. YEAH. ALL PROPERTIES WENT UP IN BLUE RIDGE SHADOWS. THEY ALL WENT UP A APPROXIMATELY THIS AMOUNT. SO YOURS IS IN LINE WITH EVERYBODY ELSE, OR NO, IT'S NOT THAT THEY TOOK A LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE ZILLOW. AND, YOU KNOW, YOU TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF THE VALUATIONS THERE AND THEN, AND, UH, AND I'M JUST THROWING ZILLOW OUT THERE. I I, BUT THE, UH, AND, AND YOU GET A FAIRLY GOOD IDEA AS TO, YOU KNOW, KNOW WHAT ARE THE PROPERTY VALUATIONS AROUND HERE? WE, WE HAVE BEEN OUT AND LOOKED AT THE PROPERTIES. WE HAVE PHOTOS OF EVERY IMPROVEMENT, UH, EVEN OUT BUILDINGS, UM, OUT THERE. SO THEY HAVE A, THEY HAVE THAT. THEY CAN SEE ALL THAT. UM, YOU HAVE, WE DO NOT MAKE INTERIOR INSPECTIONS. AND THERE COULD BE SOME THINGS ABOUT THE INTERIOR OF A HOUSE. WE DON'T KNOW THAT AFFECTS VALUE. UM, THERE COULD BE SOME MARKET CONDITIONS WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA. UH, AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY YOU HOLD HEARINGS. YOU LISTEN TO 'EM, UH, IF THEY'VE GOT A LEGITIMATE CONCERN, YOU MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT. UH, I HAD ONE REALTOR CAME IN, WAS TALKING ABOUT A SUBDIVISION. HE SHOWED ME EIGHT SALES, AND I WAS PROBABLY ABOUT, UM, MAYBE 12% TOO HIGH IN THAT SUBDIVISION. I DID FIND TWO MORE SALES THAT, THAT TO USE. AND I THINK I DID DECREASE THAT SUBDIVISION MAYBE 6%. I, I KNOW IN MY CASE, I THINK IN YEARS PAST THAT WE'VE BEEN ASSESSED THAT, UH, FIVE BEDROOMS AND WE'VE ACTUALLY ONLY GOT FOUR. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING I'LL HAVE TO, TO, TO VISIT. AND IN WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, MR. PEARSON, YOU SAID IT WAS THE ENTIRE SUBDIVISION YES. THAT NEEDED TO BE REDUCED AND THEY WERE ALL REDUCED RATHER THAN IN ANY INDIVIDUAL'S PERSONAL PROP INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY. YEAH. WELL, HE, HE BROUGHT THE SALES IN AND HE SHOWED IT TO ME MM-HMM. AND HE WAS CORRECT. AND I MADE AN ADJUSTMENT. UH, IF I, YOU KNOW, IF I MAKE A MISTAKE, I SEE SOMETHING THAT'S WRONG, I WANNA BE THE FIRST ONE TO CORRECT IT. UM, BUT IT'S GONNA BE THREE WAYS IT CAN APPEAL WHEN THEY CALL IN, IF THEY'D LIKE FOR US TO DO A PHONE APPOINTMENT, WHICH MEANS THAT IT'LL BE A DATE AND TIME THAT WE'LL CALL THEM BACK AND TALK WITH THEM. THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME IN. UH, IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO COME IN FIRST AND MEET FACE TO FACE, WE'LL BE HERE [01:25:01] TO TALK WITH 'EM. UH, IF THEY WANT TO EMAIL US INFORMATION TO CONSIDER, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO DO SO. SO THEY'VE GOT THREE WAYS TO APPEAL. BUT YOU'RE NOT GONNA LOOK AT THEIR PROPERTY AGAIN, SIR. IF THEY ASK ME TO, I WILL. IF THEY, YOU KNOW, IF THEY, MS. PEARSON REALLY NEED TO COME LOOK AT INSIDE MY HOUSE, I'LL PROBABLY GET A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE COUNTY AND WE'LL GO OUT AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT. YEAH. BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE WOULD BE INSTANCES WHERE COUNTY IS SAYING IT'S A FULL BASEMENT AND IT'S NOT A FULL BASEMENT, OR IT'S NOT AN IMPROVED BASEMENT. IT MAY HAVE CURTAINS IN THE WINDOWS, BUT IT'S NOT A COMPLETED BASEMENT AND HOW IT'S FINISHED. YEAH, IT MIGHT JUST BE A REC ROOM, MAYBE HAVE CEILINGS IN, IT'S IN THE BLOCK WALLS. YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S DIFFERENT TYPES OF FINISH TOO. BUT MOST OF THE TIME WE LISTEN TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND WE'LL MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT. IF WE HAVE ANY CONCERNS, WE'LL GO BACK OUT AND LOOK AT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND IT'S MOST, AND ANY TIME THEY REQUEST US TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT, WE WILL. DR. BAILEY. UM, YES MA'AM. SO I'M SORRY, I TURNED OFF MY MIC. SO, UM, , THE ASSESSMENTS WILL ARRIVE BEFORE THE, UM, THE DETERMINATION OF THE TAX RATE. SO YES, YES. THE TAXPAYER IS GOING TO ASSUME THAT THEIR TAX BILL IS GOING TO BE HIGHER AS A RESULT OF THE REASSESSMENT. HOW CAN WE MITIGATE THAT? HOW CAN WE LET THE TAXPAYER KNOW THAT THIS ASSESSMENT WILL NOT, I KNOW I'M LOOKING OUT IN THE FUTURE, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME VERY UPSET CITIZENS. I MEAN, IF I GOT A TAX, IF I GOT A REASSESSMENT THAT SAID MY HOUSE IS NOW 40%, UH, MORE EXPENSIVE THAN FOUR YEARS AGO, AND I CAN DO THE MATH LIKE MOST PEOPLE AND SAY, OKAY, 65 AND A HALF CENTS, THIS IS GONNA BE MY NEW TAX BILL NEXT YEAR. UH, I'M NOT GONNA, I'M GONNA BE KIND OF , I'M GONNA BE CONCERNED. AND SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS MITIGATE THE CONCERN ON THE CITIZENS IN THE COMMUNITY AND REDUCE THE ANXIETY LEVELS BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO ADJUST THAT TAX RATE SO THAT THE PERCENTAGE IS NOT, UH, EQUAL TO A 40% TAX INCREASE. AND WE'LL BE WORKING THAT PART OF THE EQUATION IN JANUARY AS THEY ARE LOOKING AT THEIR INITIAL ASSESSMENTS. YOU KNOW, THEY'LL GET THEIR FINAL AFTER THE, UH, CONTRACTOR SIGNS THE BOOK ON JANUARY 31ST, BUT WE'LL BE LOOKING AND PUTTING OUT INFORMATION ON WHAT THE ANTICIPATED RATE WOULD BE IF IT IS ROLLED BACK. AND WE DON'T WANT TO, WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE BOARD TO BE ABLE TO SAY, WELL, SO WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT IN JANUARY, WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT REDUCING THIS RATE TO, MY HYPOTHETICAL WAS 45 CENTS. RIGHT? WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS GOING TO BE, WE'LL HAVE OPPORTUNITIES FOR YOU TO DISCUSS THAT EARLY IN THE BUDGET PROCESS IN JANUARY, UH, AND TO BE ABLE TO SEE HOW THAT EQUATES WITH EVERYTHING. AND YOU'LL HAVE YOUR AUDIT REPORT SO YOU CAN SEE EXACTLY WHERE YOU ARE. AND THEN WE'LL WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THAT WE'RE REDUCING THE RATE. BUT I DON'T WANT, I DON'T WANNA PUT PEOPLE IN THE FACT, WELL YOU SAID 20 CENTS AND IT'S 19, RIGHT? OR YOU SAID 23 AND IT'S 22, ET CETERA. CUZ WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE NUMBERS YET, BUT THE BOARD, THE BOARD CAN DEFINITELY MAKE CLEAR ITS POLICY THAT IT'S GOING TO EQUALIZE THE RATE THAT THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE, I THINK, IMPORTANT. MAYBE NOT GIVE IT A NUMBER, BUT GIVE IT, UH, THE PHILOSOPHY THAT THIS BOARD WILL EQUALIZE THE RATE AS, AS INFORMATION BECOMES AVAILABLE ON HOW TO DO THAT. AND TO CAUTION YOU, UM, AGAIN, FOR YOUR INFORMATION, THE RESIDENTIAL IS UP SIGNIFICANTLY MORE PERCENTAGE WISE THAN THE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL. SO BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THIS MARKET OF PEOPLE, PEOPLE COMING FROM WASHINGTON STATE TO BUY UP YOUR PROPERTY AND THEY'RE DRIVING UP YOUR MARKET, AND AS THEY DRIVE UP THAT THIS MARKET IS VERY AT A PREMIUM RIGHT NOW AND IT'S GOING TO DROP AND WE'LL SEE SOME ADJUSTMENTS BY DECEMBER 31. WE'LL HAVE SOME ADJUSTMENTS IN THERE, UH, AND [01:30:01] WE'LL HAVE SOME MORE ADJUSTMENTS IN JANUARY THAT, UH, WHEN HE DOES THE FINISHES, THE BOOK, HE'LL BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT. BUT IT'S STILL GOING TO BE THAT RESIDENTIAL IS HIGHER THAN COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL. AND THAT MEANS WHEN YOU EQUALIZE THE RATE, THIS WILL COME DOWN AND THIS WILL GO UP A LITTLE BIT, BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GO BACK DOWN TO WHERE THEY ARE SO THAT, UH, THE SUPERVISORS AND THE ADMINISTRATOR, ETC. EVERYBODY HERE, BUT MR. HAM, SINCE HE'S IN ROCKINGHAM, ARE GOING TO SEE SOME TYPE OF AN INCREASE. AND WHAT THAT'S GOING TO BE, WE DON'T KNOW, BUT WE DO KNOW THAT IT'S GOING UP MORE. THE VALUES ARE GOING UP MORE FOR RESIDENTIAL THAN THEY ARE FOR INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL. SO WHEN YOU PUT THE WHOLE PIE TOGETHER, THIS PIE GOES UP A LITTLE BIT AND THIS PIE WENT UP A LOT AND THEN YOU PUT 'EM BACK IN THE SAME PLAN PAN AND IT'S GONNA LOOK A LITTLE DIFFERENT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE ALGORITHM OF HOW WE DO THAT, BECAUSE I WANNA UNDERSTAND HOW THE IMPACT OF COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL HAS ON RESIDENTIAL. BECAUSE WHAT YOU JUST SAID TO ME WAS THAT THE, THE BURDEN OF TAXES IS GOING TO BE ON THE HOMEOWNER AND NOT ON THE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL SIDE. IS THAT BASICALLY THE TRANSLATION OF WHAT I JUST HEARD YOU SAY? THE BURDEN OF THE INCREASE IS GOING TO BE ON THE RESIDENTIAL OWNER. AND I BELIEVE THAT THAT WAS THE CASE LAST TIME. THAT WAS THE SAME WAY LAST TIME BECAUSE LAST TIME THE VALUES OF RESIDENTIAL WENT UP SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN THE VALUES OF COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL. HOW DO WE CHA IT CAN, IS THAT ALGORITHM CHANGEABLE? ? IT'S BASED ON SALES IS WHAT IT IS. I'VE, I'VE INCREASED COMMERCIAL RATES AND I, WHEN I HAD SALES TO JUSTIFY AND INCREASE, I INCREASED IT. UM, SAME THING WITH INDUSTRIAL. SOME OF YOUR INDUSTRIAL RATES WERE VERY LOW AND I'VE BEEN, THEY'RE UP. UM, AND NOW I'M COMPARE 'EM TO THE SALES AND I DO EXPECT AN INCREASE ON INDUSTRIAL, BUT RESIDENTIAL COULD BE YOUR MAIN INCREASE. SO BASICALLY THE TRANSLATION IS THE, THE TAXPAYER WHO OWNS A HOUSE HERE IS GONNA IN SEE A GREATER INCREASE THAN THE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL BASE. IS THAT CORRECT? AND THERE'S ANOTHER FACTOR TOO. YES MA'AM. YEAH. YOU, YOU HAVE, UH, LAND USE HERE AND THOSE FACTORS ARE NOT INCREASING. UH, I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S, THEY PROBABLY WILL NOT INCREASE VERY MUCH OF ANY FARMERS PAY TAXES ON THE USE VALUE, NOT IN THE MARKET VALUE. SO MOST FARMERS' TAXES WILL PROBABLY COME DOWN. OKAY. I'D JUST LIKE TO SIT IN A REVIEW SESSION WITH SOMEBODY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO, TO MITIGATE SOME OF THESE ISSUES BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S THE WHOLE GOAL OF THIS BOARD WAS TO KEEP THE TAX TAXES FOR THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY LOW AND GET THE TAXES FROM THE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL COMMUNITY HIGHER THROUGH EFFORTS LIKE TOURISM THROUGH EFFORTS THAT WE COULD BUILD THE BUSINESS SIDE. THAT'S THE WAY TO KEEP THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, MORE RURAL AND QUAIN THE WAY IT IS. SO I WANNA SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I, I NEED TO KNOW MORE INFORMATION. I THINK, I THINK IT'D BE A GOOD AGENDA ITEM FOR A WORKING SESSION BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO BE PART OF THAT DISCUSSION AS WELL. YEAH, SO WOULD I, THERE'S SO EVERYBODY WANTS TO, EVERYBODY CAN BE PART OF THIS DISCUSSION. THERE'S LOTS TO IT AND, UH, YEAH, IT'S, IT SEEMS A LOT MORE COMPLICATED THAN EVEN I UNDERSTAND. SO YEAH, TOURISM BUSINESS INDUSTRY IS VALUABLE FOR MEALS, LODGING, SALES, AND IT HELPS ALL OF THOSE AREAS, ALL OF THE ELASTIC PARTS OF THE REVENUE EQUATION IN THE BUDGET. IT DOES NOT HAVE A MAJOR IMPACT AT ALL ON THE INELASTIC SIDE, WHICH IS YOUR PROPERTIES. SO WHETHER THE HOUSE IS USED FOR SHORT TERM RENTAL OR FOR A RESIDENCE DOESN'T CHANGE THE ASSESSMENT ON IT. BUT IF SOMEBODY BUYS IT UP AND THEY HAVE A LOT OF OF MONEY, THEY PAY MORE FOR IT, IT DOESN'T BOTHER THEM AT ALL. [01:35:02] AND UH, THAT RUNS UP THE PRICE ON THE OTHERS. WELL, IT'S SUPPLY AND DEMAND AS WELL. IT'S ABOUT HOW MANY HOUSES YOU HAVE VERSUS THE DEMAND ON, ON HOUSING. AND THAT'S BEING SEEN ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT THERE'S LESS INVENTORY THAN THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO DESIRE A HOUSE. SO IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S YES IT IS. YEAH, IT'S GOOD OLD ECONOMICS, MM-HMM. . BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ADDRESSING EVERY ASPECT OF THE TAXES, THE TAX PIECE OF IT IN THIS INFLATIONARY TIME ON THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE. I THINK THAT'S, UM, THAT WORK SESSION WOULD DO GOOD WHEN WE GET INTO ACTIVELY LOOKING AT OUR BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR, UM, WE ARE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF MEETINGS AND WE CAN JUST MAKE THAT EITHER WHEREVER ABSOLUTELY FIT BITS WITH, UH, THOSE THAT ARE GONNA TEACH US AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS OR BEFORE WE NEED TO SET THAT RATE. BUT WE'LL WORK THAT OUT TO DO THAT, TARGET THAT FOR JANUARY AFTER WE'VE STARTED SOME OF THE ASSESSMENT HEARINGS. SO WE CAN ALSO TALK ABOUT HOW THOSE ARE WORKING. YES, SIR. TIM, MADAME CHAIR, I'M, I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS OF THE, UH, IS, IS THERE, IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION GIVEN IN THE ASSESSMENTS FOR ANY TYPE OF USE OF THE HOUSE OTHER THAN STRICT RESIDENTIAL? AND THE, THE REASON I BRING THIS UP IS, UH, BECAUSE OF THE SHORT TERM RESIDENTIALS OR THE SHORT TERM, UH, RENTALS, UH, WE JUST LOOK AT HOME SALES, WHAT HOMES ARE SELLING FOR, AND YOUR SMALLER HOMES ARE BRINGING MORE MONEY. AND I SAY SMALLER, UM, YOU KNOW, 13 FOUR, UH, 13, 1400 SQUARE FEET OR LESS. UM, BUT WE, WE DO NOT KNOW IF IT'S SHORT TERM RENTAL. UH, WE JUST LOOK AT THE SALE PRICE. IS IT POSSIBLE TO PUT THAT IN THERE? UM, I DON'T KNOW. I THINK IT'S LOUD. IS IT? NO, NO. I WOULDN'T THINK IT'D BE ALLOWED. I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DISCRIMINATE AGAINST USE. NO, YOU'RE LOOKING EXACTLY IT'S THE USE, BUT IT, YEAH, BUT YOU KNOW, IT WOULDN'T BE ANOTHER TOPIC FOR US TO DISCUSS ON THE REVENUE THAT THESE SHORT TERM TUR, UM, SHORT TERM RENTALS COULD BRING TO THE COUNTY. WHAT IT ALSO IS, IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS YOUR LEGISLATURE, YOUR STATE LEGISLATURE, ON CREATING A SEPARATE CLASS OF RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY WHEN IT IS RENTAL, SHORT TERM OR LONG TERM. AND THAT, THAT IS A BUSINESS MM-HMM. AND SHOULD BE TAXED ACCORDINGLY RATHER THAN AS A RESIDENTIAL OUT ACTIVITY. BUT WE DO TAX IT, EXCUSE ME, NOT LONG TERM. AND I THINK LONG TERM WOULDN'T NECESSARILY, YOU KNOW, NEED TO BE THERE, BUT DEFINITELY SHORT TERM. BUT WE DO TAX SHORT TERM RENTAL. WE TAX IT AS AN OCCUPANCY TAX. CORRECT. WHICH IS AN ADDITIONAL TAX OVER AND ABOVE THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX OR THE, THE REAL ESTATE TAX THAT THEY PAY. CORRECT. SO THEY ARE ALREADY PAYING AN, AN ADDITIONAL BURDEN BASED ON THE ACTIVITY THAT THEY ARE, ARE, UH, APPLYING FOR AS PART OF THE CONDITIONAL USE. SO THEY'RE IN FACT PAYING ADDITIONAL TAXES. WELL, THEY'RE NOT PAYING THE ADDITIONAL TAXES. THEY'RE SHORT TERM RENTALS ARE PAYING THE ADDITIONAL TAXES, BUT YOU'RE GONNA BE PAYING OCCUPANCY REGARDLESS. YEAH. SO, OKAY. IS THAT TRUE? SPEAK UP SO WE CAN HEAR YOU. THE CUSTOMERS THAT RENT THE PROPERTIES ARE THE ONES THAT'S GONNA BE CHANGED. JUST LIKE YOU GO TO A MOTEL HOTEL. YES. THOSE THINGS. SO THEY PAY AN OCCUPANCY TAX IS DO THEY HAVE TO HAVE A BUSINESS LICENSE? YES. SO, AND THE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD PAY THE BUSINESS LICENSE, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. FOR THE SHORT TERM RENTAL, YES. BUT IT WOULD BE PART OF THE BUSINESS ACT ACTIVITY THE SAME AS THE MOTEL WHEN THEY CAL CALCULATE THEIR ROOM RATES, THERE'S AN OCCUPANCY TAX IN THERE, A BUSINESS LICENSE TAX IS, IS THERE ONE FOR A REGULAR RENTAL? NO, REGULAR RENTAL AS IN LONG TERM. LONG TERM? NO. WHY? BECAUSE THE STATE DOESN'T HAVE ONE. AND THAT IS WHERE YOU NEED TO BE PETITIONING THE LEGISLATURE. THIS IS A, THE LARGEST BUSINESS ACTIVITY IN VIRGINIA THAT DOES NOT HAVE TO PAY THIS TAX IS RENTALS. CAN, CAN WARREN COUNTY HAVE IT? NO, [01:40:01] BECAUSE ISSUE, BECAUSE REG, UH, STATE LEGISLATION SAYS NO, THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. WELL I THINK WE'VE GOT A, THE STATE LEGISLATURE SAY NO OR DO, OR ARE THEY JUST SILENT ABOUT IT? THE LEGISLATURE IS SILENT AND IF MOTHER DOES NOT GIVE YOU PERMISSION, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED OUTSIDE . WELL, WE'VE GOT BETTER. THAT'S A DYLAN RULE STATE. THAT'S A DI STATE. WOULDN'T IT BE BETTER TO ASK FOR FORGIVENESS THAN PERMISSION? SOMETIMES ? NO, NOT IN THIS CASE. J YOU AND I CAME UP FROM THE SAME. FROM THE SAME. OKAY. WELL WE'VE GOT A LOT OF WORK ITEM, UH, WORK SESSION ITEMS, BUT WE STILL NEED TO GET BACK TO YEAH. WHAT'S A MOTION ON THIS? UM, WELL, BEFORE WE HAVE TWO, BEFORE US, I HAVE THREE QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO OUT AND WE MAKE OUR MOTIONS. UH, SO THE FIRST ONE IS, SO HOW MANY ASSESSMENT BOARD MEMBERS ARE WE GOING TO APPOINT? THREE. FIVE. FIVE. GONNA DO FIVE. OKAY. WOULD IT BE SMART OF US TO HAVE A BACKUP? YES. WITH THE FIVE, SO ACTUALLY SIX WITH THE BACKUP. WELL, LET ME FINISH JUST A MINUTE BECAUSE WE'LL ONLY RUN THREE OR FOUR SESSIONS EACH AT A TIME EACH DAY. OKAY. SO WITH FIVE, WE'LL ONLY HAVE FOUR OR MAYBE EVEN THREE WORKING IN THAT DAY. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A BACKUP BUILT INTO THAT AND THEY'LL ONLY MEET ONE CELL FIVE, PROBABLY, MAYBE TWICE THAT THEY SAY, HI, HOW ARE YOU? OTHER THAN THEIR TRAINING. OKAY. SO, UM, SHOULD WE HAVE, SHOULD WE HAVE SIX CANDIDATES TO LOOK AT A CASE ONE FALLS OUT BECAUSE OF ANY OF THIS DISCLOSURE OR CONFLICT OF INTERESTS? AT LEAST. SO WE SHOULD LOOK, HAVE AT LEAST SIX NAMES. IF I WAS A BOARD MEMBER, I WOULD HAVE AT LEAST TWO PEOPLE THAT I HAVE TALKED TO THAT I FEEL ARE WILLING TO DO THIS. AND I'VE TALKED TO THEM AND THEY ARE WILLING TO DO THIS AND THEY UNDERSTAND THE REQUIREMENTS AND THEY CAN, THEY CAN CALL THE COMMISSIONER AND TALK TO HER ANYTIME ABOUT THE REQUIREMENTS TO BE ON THE BOARD. SO THESE FOLKS THAT WE'VE ALREADY IDENTIFIED, HAVE THEY BEEN GIVEN ALL THE PROPER PAPERWORK TO FILL OUT? NO, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T MADE A DECISION TO, TO UTILIZE THEM. UM, MY PERSON AND HER OTHER PERSON IS IN REAL ESTATE AND THEY ARE JUST WAITING FOR A LINK TO APPLY. OKAY. AND WHERE DO AND WHERE DO THEY APPLY? THEY WILL APPLY THROUGH TO MRS. SHIRAKI. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THE NEXT QUESTION I HAVE IS ONCE WE, UM, WE HAVE FIVE PEOPLE TO SERVE ON THIS ASSESSMENT BOARD, UM, DOES THAT HAVE TO COME BACK TO US TO APPROVE THEM ALL? YES. IF YOU VOTE THIS MORNING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO APPOINT THIS BOARD, IT'S GOING TO BE ON YOUR AGENDA NOVEMBER 16TH. UNLESS NOVEMBER CALL A SPECIAL MEETING. OKAY. THIS HAS TO GET DONE. OKAY. SO THEN I'M LOOKING AT OUR TIMELINE DOWN HERE FOR THE FIVE BOES. UH, AND IT SAYS IN JANUARY 31ST IS WHEN WE RECOMMEND THE FIVE FOR THE, UM, BOARD OF EQUALIZATION. YES. SO AT WHAT I DON'T SEE, UNLESS I'M MISSING IT, WHAT POINT IN THIS TIMELINE DO WE NEED TO HAVE THOSE FIVE PEOPLE IDENTIFIED? I WOULD START OFF FOR THE BOE. FOR THE BOE I WOULD START LOOKING FOR THEM BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA GET THEM EARLY IN YOUR MEETING SCHEDULE IN JANUARY THAT YOU WILL APPROVE THE RECOMMENDATION TO THE COURT. MM-HMM. . OH, OKAY. CAUSE THEY, YOU, YOU'RE RECOMMENDING THEM AND THE COURT ACTUALLY APPROVES THE BOE. ALL RIGHT, SO THAT WOULD BE THE LAST DATE OF SCHEDULE ASSESSMENT. SO WOULD THAT BE LIKE EAR BEGINNING OF JANUARY OR END OF DECEMBER? LIKE THE BEGINNING OF JANUARY. OF JANUARY SO THAT YOU KNOW WHO'S GOING TO BE, IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE TWO PEOPLE WHO HAVE, ARE QUALIFIED FOR THE, UH, BOA, THE ASSESSORS, THEN YOU CAN USE ONE OF THEM PERHAPS FOR THE BOE NEXT. MM-HMM. . UM, BUT, AND THEN IF BOTH OF YOURS END UP ON THE BOA, THEN YOU COULD HAVE BRING SOMEBODY ELSE IN FOR THE BOE. RIGHT? UH, WE WILL NEED TO KNOW IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THIS, IF THE BOARD WANTS TO INTERVIEW THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT, WE'RE GONNA SCHEDULE THE INTERVIEWS FOR THE 16TH. SO WHO'S GOING TO EVALUATE THEIR, UM, DISCLOSURES IN CONFLICT OF INTEREST CARD, UH, CREDENTIALS THAT WE DON'T DO THAT. WE DON'T THAT IN VIRGINIA. CODE SAYS WHAT YOU HAVE TO PUT IN THE FORM AND THEN YOU, YOU SEND IT TO THE STATE OFFICE AND, AND SO, SO THIS DOESN'T MATTER. AND IF YOU HAVE A MISTAKE OR THERE'S, YOU'VE LIED ON THE FORM, IT'S A CRIME. SO, SO, OKAY. WELL CAUSE YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE FORM, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT DATA [01:45:01] THAT WE, UM, THAT THESE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE TO, UM, PROVIDE. CUZ WHEN I, WHEN I, WHEN I HEAR DISCLOSURE, YOU KNOW, I THINK ABOUT DISCLOSING YOUR FINANCIALS. IT'S THE BIG FINANCIAL, YOU KNOW, ISN'T IT? I KNOW A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. YOU GO AND YOU TAKE A CLASS, PROBABLY YOU SIGN A DOCUMENT AND YOU'RE ON YOUR WAY. BUT WHEN I SEE DISCLOSURE, IT'S PROBABLY LONG. IS IT A FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE? I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT IS IT THAT THEY'RE DISCLOSING? IT'S PROPERTY OWNER DISCLOSURE. A WHAT? I THINK IT'S WHAT, UM, WHAT PROPERTIES THEY HAVE. OH, OKAY. OKAY. IS IT JUST PROPERTY? IT'S NOT THE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE LONG FORM IN THE SHORT FORM. I BELIEVE IT'S JUST THE PROPERTY. YOU THINK IT'S SO, YOU THINK IT'S JUST THE SHORT FORM, THE ONE PAGER. THIS IS WHERE I LIVE AND THIS IS WHAT I OWN. I HAVE TO FILL THAT OUT TOO, BUT SO IT'S JUST PROPERTY, NOT FINANCIAL. I DON'T THINK IT'S FINANCIAL. I THINK THEY JUST NEED TO KNOW, UH, WHICH PROPERTIES YOU OWN IN THE COUNTY. UM, AND THAT'S ABOUT IT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I THINK IT'S VERY SHORT. UM, UNDERSTOOD. AND JUST LET YOU KNOW TRAINING FOR THE BOARD, UH, BOARD OF ASSESSORS ONE DAY. MM-HMM. . UNDERSTOOD. IS IT A COMPLETE DAY OR, OR JUST A, A PARTIAL DAY? I'M NOT REAL SURE. OKAY. I THINK IT'S MOST OF THE DAY. OKAY. MM-HMM. . OKAY. WELL THOSE ARE THE, UH, QUESTIONS THAT I NEEDED TO GET ANSWERED. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? MADAME CHAIR, I MOVE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ESTABLISH A BOARD OF ASSESSORS FOR THE 2023 GENERAL REASSESSMENT COMPRISED OF UP TO FIVE MEMBERS WHO MUST BE RESIDENTS OR PROPERTY OWNERS IN WARREN COUNTY WITH COMPENSATION AT A RATE OF A HUNDRED DOLLARS PER DAY AND $50 PER HALF DAY. I FURTHER MOVE THAT THE BOARD AUTHORIZED THE ADVERTISEMENT OF THE BOA VACANCIES TO BEGIN RECEIVING APPLICATIONS. OKAY, SECOND. SECOND. ROLL HOME IS, YES, SIR. CAN WE HAVE A TIME OUT FOR A MINUTE BEFORE YOU VOTE, MA'AM? YES SIR. . THANK YOU. WE'LL BE QUIET MA'AM. , WE'RE READY FOR THE MRS. SHIRAKI ROLL CALL. MRS. SHIRAKI. MR. MABE. ALL RIGHT. MRS. COOK. NAY. MADAME CHAIR? AYE. MRS. OATS? AYE. MR. BUTLER? AYE. OKAY, WE ARE NOW AT THE CLOSED SESSION [K. Closed Session – Section 2.2-3711(A)(8) of the Virginia Freedom of Information Act for Consultation with Legal Counsel for the Provision of Legal Advice] PART OF OUR MEETING. WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO READ US INTO CLOSED SESSION PLEASE? THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. NICE TO SEE YOU AGAIN. IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME. I'M SORRY. THAT'S NOT THE PROBLEM. MADAM CHAIR. GOOD. YOU GOOD? YOU I MOVE THAT THE BOARD ENTER, ENTER INTO A CLOSED MEETING UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF SECTION 2.2 37 11 A EIGHT OF THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT FOR THE CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL REGARDING SPECIFIC LEGAL MATTERS REQUIRING THE PROVISION OF LEGAL ADVICE BY SUCH COUNSEL, SUCH LEGAL MATTERS BEING PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO A LOCAL INCENTIVE GRANT AGREEMENT WITH AN EXISTING BUSINESS OR INDUSTRY. I ALSO MOVED THAT THE BOARD ENTERED TO A CLOSED MEETING UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF SECTION 2.2 DASH 37 11 A FIVE FOR DISCUSSION CONCERNING A PROSPECTIVE BUSINESS OR INDUSTRY WHERE NO PREVIOUS ANNOUNCEMENT HAS BEEN MADE OF THE BUSINESS OR INDUSTRY'S INTEREST IN LOCATING IN FACILITIES IN THE, IN THE COMMUNITY, SUCH BUSINESS OR INDUSTRY PROPOSED TO BE LOCATED WITHIN AND OUTSIDE OF THE LIMITS OF THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL IN THE SHANDOR MAGISTA DISTRICT. SECOND. SECOND. ROLL CALL MRS. SHIRAKI. MR. BUTLER? AYE. MRS. OATS? AYE. MADAM CHAIR? AYE. MRS. COOK? AYE. MR. MABE? AYE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. WE WILL GO INTO CLOSED SESSION. DOES ANYONE NEED A FIVE MINUTE BREAK BEFORE WE DO THAT? ONE WOULD LIKE TO READ US OUT OF CLOSED SESSION. I'LL BE HAPPY TO CHAT. MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU MR. MABE. I MOVE THAT THE BOARD CERTIFIES TO ITS BEST OF EACH MEMBER'S KNOWLEDGE ONLY PUBLIC BUSINESS MANAGER LAWFULLY EXEMPTED FROM OPEN MEETING REQUIREMENTS UNDER SECTION 2.2 DASH 37 11 A EIGHT, AND A FIVE OF THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT AND ONLY SUCH PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS AS WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION BY WHICH THE CLOSED MEETING WAS CONVEYED, WERE HEARD, DISCUSSED OR CONSIDERED IN THE MEETING BY THE PUBLIC BODY. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND ROLL HOME. MRS. SHIRAKI. MR. MABE? AYE. MRS. COOK? AYE. MADAME CHAIR? AYE. MRS. [01:50:01] OAKS? I, MR. BUTLER? AYE. OKAY. ANY ADDITIONAL [L. Additional New Business (If Needed)] NEW BUSINESS? UH, YEAH, I DO. UM, KNOW, UM, I ALSO TOO ATTENDED THE TOWN AND COUNTY LIAISON ON MEETING AND THERE WAS A, A QUICK, A VERY QUICK DISCUSSION ABOUT THE TOWN, UM, REEVALUATING THE TOURISM MOU AND UM, I JUST WANTED TO KNOW, AND IT MAY BE TOO, TOO SOON TO DISCUSS THIS, BUT I'D LIKE TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW THOSE CHANGES ARE GOING TO AFFECT WHAT WE APPROVED WHAT ABOUT A MONTH AGO OR SO? SO, UM, I KNOW WE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, WE'RE NOT READY TO TALK ABOUT IT, BUT I'M HOPING THAT MAYBE WE CAN DO A WORK SESSION OR SOMETHING AFTER THE TOWN DECIDES WHICH WAY THEY'RE GONNA GO TO WHICH WAY THEY'RE GOING WITH THIS NEW AGREEMENT THAT THEY'RE THINKING OF. UM, AND THEN, AND PART OF THAT DISCUSSION TOO, I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF IT WOULD BE SMART FOR US, US AS THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, NOW THAT DISCOVER FRONT ROYAL IS A SECTION, UH, 5 0 1 C6, C6, IF WE SHOULD, UM, HAVE OUR OWN, UM, CONTRACT WITH THEM OR, YOU KNOW, RESOLUTION. UM, I, I, I DON'T KNOW, BUT THO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS IN THE FUTURE ONCE WE GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING WHERE THE TALENT IS GOING. WOULD THAT FALL UNDER NEW BUSINESS OR OLD BUSINESSES? TOURISM IN THE MOU IS, I THINK TOURISM DEFINITELY IS ALWAYS PART OF YOUR OLD BUSINESS MA'AM BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S BEEN THERE A WHILE SO IT'S A, WE SHOULD RECEIVE SOMETHING BACK FROM THE TOWN IN EARLY DECEMBER AS TO WHERE WHAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO APPROVE. THEY WERE HOPING TO DO IT MID-NOVEMBER, SO WE SHOULD SEE SOMETHING THERE THAT WE CAN THEN BRING BACK AND LET YOU LOOK AT AND DISCUSS IN EARLY DECEMBER. PERFECT. AND THEY CAN EITHER BE, UM, PART OF THAT WORK SESSION. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AT THIS POINT. WE ONLY HAVE MRS. SHIRAKI THE ONE MEETING DATE IN DECEMBER. OKAY. AND CAN I ADD SOMETHING ED? SO THE TOWN WOULD PREFER TO HAVE ITS OWN CONTRACT DIRECTLY WITH, WITH DISCOVER FRONT ROYAL AND THE COUNTY WILL HAVE ITS OWN CONTRACT DIRECTLY WITH DISCOVER FRONT ROYAL INSTEAD OF THE THREE WAY ARRANGEMENT THAT HAD BEEN SUBMITTED THAT WE APPROVED. THEY WOULD PREFER TO HAVE THEIR OWN AND WE WOULD HAVE OUR OWN, WE CURRENTLY HAVE OUR AGREEMENT WITH THE TOWN WHICH OUTLINES THE AMOUNT OF FUNDS THAT THOSE FUNDS WOULD BE EQUAL CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE TOURISM EFFORT. THEN THE COUNTY WILL HAVE ITS ARRANGEMENT WITH UH, DISCOVER FRONT ROYAL AND THE TOWN. AND FRANKLY I THINK THAT'S CLEANER THAN TRYING TO DO THE THREE-WAY AGREEMENT, WHICH WHEN YOU CANNOT AGREE ON WHAT COLOR THE SKY IS ON MOST DAYS IS PROBABLY NOT BENEFICIAL. SO, UM, THAT IS WHERE I THINK THIS IS GOING. UH, BUT I DON'T THINK IT AFFECTS THE COUNTY'S, I THINK THE COUNTY CAN HAVE ITS OWN. IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE OUR OWN AGREEMENT THEN WE CAN HAVE OUR OWN AGREEMENT AND IT WILL SUIT WHAT THE COUNTY WANTS TO DO AS LONG AS THE CONTRIBUTIONS ARE THE SAME. OKAY. WE CAN SERVICE IS THE SAME. YES. WE CAN FIGURE THAT ALL OUT IN THAT WORK SESSION. I THINK WE'D BE BETTER THAN AT THIS POINT. YEP. OKAY, SO THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. ANY OTHER NEW BUSINESS? IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SO MOVED. SECOND. SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. THOSE OPPOSED? WE ARE ADJOURNED WORK SESSION. WE'LL JUST START RIGHT UP. , I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN WAITING LONG ENOUGH FOR US, HAVEN'T YOU? YAY. UM, AND WE HAVE [WORK SESSION N. Construction Schedule for County Projects - Taryn Logan / Jeff Hayes] TWO ITEMS ON OUR WORK SESSION CONSTRUCTION SET SCHEDULE FOR COUNTY PROJECTS, WHICH IS MRS. LOGAN DO AND MR. HAYES PRESENTATION. OTHER THAN THAT THEN WE HAVE SHAL FARMS ROAD PROJECTS WITH MR. BARRY AND MR. COL FELT. SO FIRST UP CONSTRUCTION FOR COUNTY PROJECTS AND ONE SECOND I'M GONNA GET UM, UM, EMILY'S GONNA MAKE COPIES BEFOREHAND BUT OKAY. UNLESS IT'S LIKE A HUNDRED PAGES. NO, NO IT'S NOT. WELL DO YOU WANT UM, MR. BARRY AND MR. COL FELT TO GO AHEAD WHILE SHE'S DOING THAT? IT'S OKAY. OKAY. GONNA MAKE OKAY, THANK YOU. WELL THEN YOU'RE GONNA GO AHEAD. GREAT. SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE A BUILDING COMMITTEE MEETING, UM, A BUILDING COMMITTEE THAT MEETS EVERY OTHER MONTH [01:55:01] AND OUR BOARD REPRESENTATIVES ARE CHAIR COLORS AND MS. COOK AND WE GO THROUGH, UM, ALL THE PROJECTS THAT THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS ARE WORKING ON. THEY'RE BROKEN DOWN BY BY THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS AND UM, DR. DELEY ASKED THAT JEFF AND I COME GIVE AN UPDATE TO THE BOARD OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE DISCUSSED DURING THOSE MEETINGS. UM, AND IT'S A LOT. SO WE REALLY KIND OF HIGHLIGHTED THE, UM, THE LARGER PROJECTS. SO AS YOU KNOW, JEFF IS OUR COUNTY PROJECT MANAGER, UM, THEM FOR PUBLIC WORKS. WE HAVE MIKE, MICHAEL AND DONNA WHO KIND OF, UM, AND THEIR STAFF WHO DO A LOT OF THE WORK, UM, WON THESE PROJECTS. AND THEN FOR FIRE FACILITIES, I'M THE CHIEF DESIGNATED CAPTAIN CERNA TO EVALUATE AND COORDINATE THE FIRE FACILITY PROJECTS. SO THAT'S KIND OF, UM, THE STAFF THAT THE KIND OF THE KEY STAFF OF THE DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE INVOLVED. SO FIRST WE HAVE, UM, HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES COMPLEX. SO THERE WE, OUR BIG PROJECT RIGHT NOW IS THE NEW SENIOR CENTER. WE ARE CURRENTLY UM, BEGINNING THE RESTROOM RENOVATION AND MECHANICAL UPGRADES. THE CONTRACT WAS AWARDED TO LANCE CONSTRUCTION COMPANY AND THAT START DATE WILL BE MID-NOVEMBER AND THE COMPLETION DATE WILL BE THE END OF MARCH. AND I SIMULTANEOUSLY WE'RE WORKING IN THE KITCHEN. UM, THAT COMPLETION WILL BE THE END OF MAY. AND THE BIG ITEM THERE IS, UM, TO ORDER AND INSTALL THE RANGE HU CORRECT? YES SIR. WHERE IS LANCE AT? UP WINCHESTER. OKAY. AND WE ARE PLANNING A COURTYARD. SO AS YOU WALK IN THE SENIOR CENTER, YOU WALK IN, UM, ON THE SIDE, IT WAS THE OLD CAFETERIA IF ANYBODY WAS FAMILIAR WITH THE, UM, JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL. AND WHEN YOU WALK IN THERE'S KIND OF A GRASSY AREA AND THAT'S GOING TO BECOME A PATIO AREA, UM, FOR THE SENIORS TO HAVE A GOOD OUTDOOR SPACE. AND THEN IT WILL BE FENCED IN WITH THE SENIOR CENTER SIGN. SO THOSE, THOSE PLANS HAVE BEEN APPROVED. UM, THAT PROJECT IS READY TO BE BID OUT AND WE ANTICIPATE CONSTRUCTION WILL BE APRIL OR MAY FOR, FOR THAT PORTION. OTHER IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE UM, THE OFFICE FOR THE MANAGER THERE, STORAGE HALL, FLOORING HALL LIGHTING, FOOD STORAGE, REPLACEMENT OF DOORS AND THE GENERATOR. AND UM, JEFF IS COORDINATING ALL OF THOSE ITEMS. AND THEN ALL WORK FOR THE SENIOR CENTER IS, UM, SCHEDULED TO BE COMPLETED BY JUNE, 2023. SO THEY ARE CURRENTLY, UM, IN THE BUILDING RIGHT BESIDE THE CHIMNEY FIELD, UM, TENNIS COURTS. AND SO THEY WILL BE MOVING INTO THIS SPACE. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO STOP ME. I'M JUST GONNA CONTINUE ON. UM, REFUSE. UM, MIKE AND I HAVE BEEN MEETING WITH THE UM, ELLA WHO IS DOING OUR ENGINEER PLANS FOR THE COOLEY CONVENIENCE CENTER EXPANSION. AND THIS IS THE SITE, UM, NORTH ROUTE 3 45 22 AT THE, UM, PARK AND RIDE THAT IS CURRENTLY OUR MOST USED FACILITY AND WE ARE VERY MUCH OUT OF SPACE. SO WE HAD PLANNED TO MOVE THE FACILITY TO THE BACK OF THIS PROPERTY, WHICH IS ACTUALLY MOSTLY ON VIDOS PROPERTY IN THE BACK. AND WE HAVE A, A NEW DESIGN WHERE WE WOULD HAVE, UM, THE TWO COMPACTORS NOW INSTEAD OF JUST THE ONE AND THE RECYCLE, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO WORK THIS EXACTLY BUT IF IT HAS A BEAM BUT , UM, YOU CAN GO BACK OF THE PRETTY, YOU COME DOWN OF RECYCLING THIS RIGHT HERE AND THEN YOU'LL COME TWO COMPACT OVER HERE AND THIS AT SHED IS ACTUALLY GONNA MOVING HERE AND IT'S CONNECTED WITH A BATHROOM FACILITY. SO THERE BE A BUILDING HERE THAT'LL HAVE THE AT SHED AND THE BATHROOM FACILITY FOR THE S SO IT'LL BE MUCH NICER FOR ME. BILL, UM, MS. LOGAN, CAN YOU GO BACK THERE? SHOW ME WHERE 5 22 WAS? RIGHT HERE. OKAY, SO 5 22 IS THERE AND RIGHT NOW YOU GO RIGHT HERE, RIGHT? SO YOU'LL GO TO THE BACK AND THE FOUR IS RIGHT HERE. OKAY. AND THE AND THE WHAT'S RIGHT THERE, THE, IF YOU KEEP GOING BACK CORPORATION WHO IS OKAY, UM, SO THIS IS ROUTE 3, 5 2. YEAH, CROSS THE ROAD. IS MCDONALD'S AND EXXON BE IN THE BACK PROPERTY? SO WHAT IS [02:00:01] IN THE FRONT THERE IS THE, WHERE THERE'S PARK AND RIDE NOW? YES. YES MA'AM. OKAY, NOW I, I UNDERSTAND IT CUZ I WAS LOOKING AT IT, IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME. SO THIS IS ALL PARK AND RIDE, RIGHT? AND THEN THIS IS THE CURRENT COMPACTOR SITE, RIGHT? SO THAT WILL TURN INTO MORE PARKING. OKAY. WE WILL BE LOSING SPACES. SO IT'S ABOUT 70. THERE'S LESS COMMUTING FROM THERE NOW IT SEEMS WE WE THINK SO, YEAH, IT SEEMS TO ME THERE'S LESS. BUT WHY ARE YOU LOSING SPACE IF YOU'RE, WELL, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GAINING AS MANY SPACES IN THE OLD SPACE IN THE CURRENT SPACE THAT'S GONNA BE TURNING INTO PARKING CUZ THERE ARE SPACES BACK HERE. OH, THERE SPACES BACK THERE. OKAY. AND WE'LL BE SOME WE'LL MEETING WITH THEM AND UM, WE'RE DOING A COUNT OF THE CARS CURRENTLY OUT THERE, UM, TO GIVE TO THEM. AND WHERE'S THE OUT, WHERE'S THE OUT? UM, YEAH, WHILE YOU'LL, YOU'LL COME IN. SO YOU'LL COME TO THE BACK, COME IN HERE AND THEN YOUR RECYCLING WILL BE RIGHT HERE AND YOU'LL COME OUT, THERE'S THE TWO COMPACTORS AS YOU'RE COMING OUT AND YOU'LL COME RIGHT BACK OUT AND UP TO THE SIGNALIZE INTERSECTION. THERE'S ALSO BYPASS LANE, RIGHT? YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO TO THE OKAY, I SEE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO TO THE COMPACTOR SITE, YOU'RE JUST RECYCLING AND YOU DON'T YEAH, I SEE IT NOW. THANK YOU. USED EYES. I UNDERSTAND. ME TOO. UM, AND AS I SAID, MIKE AND I HAVE BEEN MEETING WITH THE ENGINEER AND UM, THEIR SCHEDULE IS FINAL DRAWINGS AND TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS. BY THE END OF THIS YEAR, ALL COMMENTS WILL BE ADDRESSED AND THE SITE WILL BE OUT TO BID BY THE END OF JANUARY AND THEN CONSTRUCTION IN THE SPRING. SO WE'RE TALKING, WE, WE MET ABOUT HAVING THE COMPACTORS READY, UM, END OF MARCH, APRIL. SO TRANSFER STATION OFFICE BUILDING. UM, THIS PROJECT WENT OUT FOR BID. WE HAD A BID OPENING ON OCTOBER 26 AND ONE BID WAS RECEIVED FROM NICHOLS CONSTRUCTION FOR $169,540. AND UM, WE ARE GONNA MEET WITH THEM IN THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO TO PICK OUT THE, UM, EVERYTHING FOR INSIDE. AND THEY'RE, WE DON'T EXPECT THAT CONSTRUCTION. WHEN DO YOU THINK IT'S GONNA BE COMPLETE? I DIDN'T HAVE THAT ONE. UH, IT WILL UH, BE COMPLETED UH, END OF APRIL. OKAY. SO END OF APRIL. AND THEN THERE'S A SEPTIC SYSTEM THAT GOES WITH THAT AND WE HAVE PLANS APPROVED AND WE ARE WORKING WITH ALYSSA AND PLAN TO HAVE THE PROJECT OUT TO BED WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK. AND ALSO FOR THIS SITE, UM, WE PLAN TO HAVE A, A TOOL SHED AND THAT PROJECT WILL BE BID AND THAT CONSTRUCTION WOULD ALSO BE APRIL, MAY TIMEFRAME. WHAT SIZE, SORRY? WHAT SIZE BUILDING FOR THE TOOL? 30 TO UH, 10 BY 10 DOORS AND THAT ALL HOUSE, ALL THE TOOLS, THE LAWN MOWERS AND ALL THAT EQUIPMENT THAT SETS OUTSIDE THAT. THAT'S ALL FOR UM, OUR CONVENIENCE SITES FOR BOAT LANDINGS AND PARKS AND RECREATION. UM, WELL THE MORGAN FORD, WE JUST COMPLETE IT. AND SO NOW WE'RE, WE'VE BEEN ACTIVELY ALSO WORKING TOWARDS THE INDIAN HOLLOW BOAT LANDING AND WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF FORESTRY IN, IN THE TOP PARKING SPACES, UM, USING THEIR LAND FOR PARKING LOT THERE. AND RIGHT NOW CURRENTLY A LOT OF VEHICLES JUST PARK ALONG THE ROAD. UM, SO THEY HAVE APPROVED US TO USE THEIR LAND AND SO WE WOULD HAVE THESE TWO NEW PARKING LOTS AND WE HAVE COMPLETED AN ARCHEOLOGICAL DIG ON THE PROPERTY AND THE DEPARTMENT OF FORESTRY. SO THEN WE HAD TO GET APPROVAL FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF HISTORIC RESOURCES AND THE DEPARTMENT OF FORESTRY, UM, ON THE ARCHEOLOGICAL REPORT. AND WE JUST GOT THE APPROVAL FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF FORESTRY TODAY AND THE DEPARTMENT OF HISTORIC RESOURCES HAS APPROVED IT AS WELL. SO NOW WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH, UM, OUR ENGINEERED PLANS TO, UM, GET THE SITE MOVING FORWARD. SO [02:05:02] CHAIR COLORS WILL NOT LIKE THIS TIMEFRAME BUT UM, WE, WE PUT IT AS FAR OUT AS WE THOUGHT WE, SO IF WE COME IN SOONER THAN AND IT WILL BE BETTER. SO, UM, NEXT I WILL BE PLAN DEVELOPMENT AND WE'RE THINKING COMPLETION NOVEMBER OF, OF NEXT YEAR. WE WERE KIND OF A YEAR OUT FROM THE MORGAN FORD, UM, BOAT LANDING, BUT WE'LL HAVE TO, THEY HAVE, WE HAVE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS GRANT, UM, FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF WILDLIFE RESOURCES AND THEY HAVE LET US KNOW THAT THEY DO, THEY HAVE MET AND TALKED ABOUT GIVING US ANOTHER A HUNDRED THOUSAND. SO NOW WE'RE GONNA REAPPLY FOR A $200,000 GRANT. SO WE'LL HAVE THAT. UM, AND IT WOULD BE VERY SIMILAR TO OUR, OUR AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH THEM WITH MORGAN FOR WHERE WE MAINTAIN THE SITE FOR THE 25 YEAR PERIOD. AND SO WE'LL BE WORKING ON THAT SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT. DO YOU HAVE AN ANTICIPATED AMOUNT THAT THIS IS GONNA COST YOU? WE HAD, WE HAD ANTICIPATED ABOUT 300,000. UM, THAT'S WHAT THE ARCHITECTS, UH, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT THE ESTIMATE WAS. SO I WOULD SPITBALLED THAT PRETTY MUCH. SO I WOULD SAY YOU'RE PROBABLY WENT UP ABOUT 8% DUE TO THE INFLATION. YEAH. WE'RE NOT PLANNING TO PUT ANY FRILLS THERE, BUT THE ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDY COSTS MOWER. YEAH. ALL THAT PRELIM STUFF. BUT AS FAR AS, UM, IT'S GONNA BE LIKE MORGAN FOR RIGHT. NOTHING, NOTHING PUT THERE THAT THE RIVER'S GONNA TAKE OUT AND WE HAVE TO REPLACE FOR 25 YEARS. RIGHT. RIGHT NOW THE PROJECT WILL BE ON HOLD FOR ABOUT THREE MONTHS UNTIL WE GET A CONTRACT. WHAT THEY DEVELOP OUR PLANNING. WE HAVE NOTHING RIGHT NOW. RIGHT. SO RIGHT NOW UNTIL THAT'S ALL APPROVED FOR SETTING DEAD TIME RIGHT NOW, THE ONE COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WILL BE DIFFERENT HERE THAN MORGAN FORD IS BECAUSE THIS IS NATIONAL FOREST AND THEY DON'T HAVE, UM, AND CHIEF YOU CAN TELL ME I'M DRAWING A BLANK. A SITE AREA, IF THERE WAS A FIRE ON THE MOUNTAIN, UM, THEY'RE WORKING WITH US AND WE ARE, WE HAVE TO MAKE IT SO THAT THEY CAN USE THAT AS THE STAGING AREA AND A DRY HYDRANT AT THE END OF WHERE YOU SEE THE, THE ROUND PART OF THE LONG, UM, PARKING LOT AREA, THERE'S A LITTLE TINY BROWN. IT'S A, IT'S A DITCH POND THAT RUNS QUITE A LONG WAYS AND IT'S SELF-SUSTAINING AS WATER THERE. WE WANNA PUT A DRY HYDRANT THERE SO THAT THEY CAN DRAFT. THERE'S NO OTHER AREA CLOSE TO DRAFT BESIDES THE RIVER. AND THAT, UM, GETTING TO IT IS, IS DIFFICULT WHERE THAT POND AT THE END OF THAT IS MUCH MORE, UM, USER FRIENDLY AND THEY'RE ALL WORKING WITH US TO GET THOSE THINGS DONE. AND THERE'S NO REAL BOAT LANDING THERE EITHER. IS THERE? THERE IS WHERE YOU SEE, I MEAN LIKE A CONCRETE BOAT, BOAT RAMP. WELL IT WASHED OUT LONG. I DON'T REMEMBER WHICH FLOOD TOOK IT OUT AND IT WAS NEVER REPLACED. OKAY. UM, BUT THAT IS ONE THING. THERE WILL BE WHERE THE LITTLE CARS ARE AT THE WATER EDGE, THERE WILL BE A RAMP THERE AND THEN AT THE FAR RIGHT SIDE THERE'S GONNA BE ANOTHER EXCESS AREA. SO ONE PLACE YOU PUT IN, ONE PLACE YOU GET OUT BECAUSE IT'S SO TIGHT THERE. UM, IT'S, IT'S NOT SAFE WHEN YOU'VE GOT PEDESTRIANS THERE AND THAT'LL ALL BE INCLUDED ON THE, THE, THE PLANTS GAME. IT'S THE MOST USED FACILITY IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA. YEP. FOR ACCESS TO WATER. WOW. SO REFRESH MY MEMORY AS FAR AS FINANCING THESE PROJECTS. SO WE'RE GETTING GRANTS, RIGHT? SO THE GRANTS ARE HELPING US THROUGH THIS. THE GRANTS ARE, THE GRANTS ARE HELPING US. YES. OKAY, THANK YOU. AND THEY'RE ON THE C I P THE PROJECTS AS WELL. UM, THE COURTHOUSE, UM, MIKE AND PUBLIC WORKS CREW HAVE BEEN, UM, WORKING IN THE COURTHOUSE AND UM, HE GAVE ME THE UPDATE TO INCLUDE IN THESE SLIDES CUZ IT'S DEFINITELY ACTIVE PROJECTS THAT IS, THAT IS ONGOING HERE. UM, FOR THE GENERAL DISTRICT COURTROOM, THEY HAVE COMPLETED THE BENCH RESTORATION. THEY HAVE REMOVED CARPET AND VINYL PLANK FLOOR HAS BEEN INSTALLED. THEY ARE WORKING ON THE CEILING TILE REPLACEMENT WITH THEM PROBABLY THE NEXT WEEK. AND UM, THEN WE'RE GOING TO PUT ACOUSTIC TILES IN THE GENERAL [02:10:01] DISTRICT COURTROOM, WHICH JEFF IS WORKING ON GETTING, UM, THOSE ORDERED CURRENTLY. AND THEN THEY WILL NEED FURNITURE AND THE PAINTING IS SCHEDULED ON NOVEMBER 7TH. AND THAT'S KIND OF THE BIG TASK ITEMS FOR, UM, THE GENERAL DISTRICT COURTROOM. SO, OH, SORRY. OH, GO AHEAD. SO WHEN WILL THE COURTROOM BE AVAILABLE FOR USE? WELL, THE JUDGE MAY USE IT BEFORE WE'RE TOTALLY COMPLETE. UM, BASED ON OUR LAST WELL THE FURNITURE, I WANNA KNOW, I WANNA KNOW WHEN WILL IT BE COMPLETED? WHEN WILL IT BE COMPLETED? WELL, WE HAVE HAD TO BACK UP AND PUNT ON A COUPLE ITEMS DUE TO ACOUSTICS. WE WERE, UM, OUR GOAL WAS TO BE DONE NOVEMBER ONE, WHICH WE WERE ON TARGET FOR, BUT THE ACOUSTICS ARE SUCH THAT, UM, WE'VE HAD TO REEVALUATE THE ACOUSTICS. UM, AND I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE, I WOULD SAY MORE LIKE BEFORE WE'RE FINISHED, I'M, I'M JEFF, HOW LONG IT'S GONNA TAKE ON THE PANELS? DECEMBER ONE? UH, NO, WE GOLD TAKE, UH, PROBABLY MID, MID-NOVEMBER DEPENDING, I CAN'T DO THE ACOUSTICS UNTIL EVERYTHING'S IN THERE AND EVERYTHING'S DONE. MM-HMM. , THEN WE COME IN AND A SOUND TEST AND IT ONLY TAKES ONE DAY TO THE PANELS AND THEN MAKE THEM IN HOUSE. SO BE QUICK TURNAROUND ONCE. SO BEING CONSERVATIVE, IT'S CONSERVATIVE DECEMBER ONE. IS THERE A WAY OF LIKE RAINY DAYS WHEN ALLEN AND LEE AND TRAVIS ARE DOING, YOU'VE GOT THEM DOING OUTSIDE THINGS, IS THERE A WAY THAT MAYBE ON A RAINY DAY THEY CAN DOUBLE UP AND HELP THOSE GUYS MOVE THIS A LITTLE FASTER DOWN THE ROAD? WELL WE, WE, WE HAVE CHANGED THE, THE PROJECT BECAUSE OF ACOUSTICS. IN THE FLOORING WE HAD ALREADY COMPLETED PVC TILES, WHICH WE, WE USE. RIGHT. SO WE'RE GONNA TAKE THOSE OUT, PUT 'EM BACK IN. I THINK WE'LL KNOCK IT OUT RATHER QUICKLY. UM, WE JUST HAVE TO GET THE TILES WE JUST DISCUSSED THIS FRIDAY. RIGHT. I KNOW THE CLERK'S OFFICE, THIS, THE FLOOR STILL HAS TO BE DONE AND THE, THE GENERAL DISTRICT. SO OUR FOCUS IS THE COURTROOM FIRST AND THEN THE CLERK AND THE JUDGE IS WORKING ON FURNITURE. HE WASN'T, YOU KNOW, HAPPY WITH THE TABLES AND APPARENTLY THERE WAS SOME KIND OF REGULATORY REQUIREMENT THAT HE MENTIONED, UM, THAT HE WANTS A DIFFERENT STYLE TABLE AND HE'S WORKING ON THOSE ITSELF FROM SURPLUS. UM, AND IF WE NEED TO HELP HIM PICK THOSE UP, WE WILL. RIGHT. UM, AND I, I GET THAT. I MEAN I, I TALKED WITH THEM. UM, YEAH, IF WE, IF WE, IF WE, IF WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, WE CAN ALWAYS MOVE MORE HELP IN IF WE HAVE THE TOWELS AND UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GONNA TAKE US A LONG TIME TO DO IT. RIGHT. I DID. I WAS JUST THINKING, YOU KNOW, LIKE YESTERDAY'S RAINY DAY YEAH. IT'S, IT'S HARD TO DO SOME OUTSIDE STUFF AND IF, IF THAT HELPS. I MEAN IF WE, IF WE NEED TO, WE CAN MOVE MORE PEOPLE IN THERE. I MEAN WE USED PARKS AND REC TO MOVE ALL THE CLERKS FILES AND BOXES, ET CETERA. MM-HMM. , UM, AND THE MAINTENANCE FOLKS HELP DO THAT A WHOLE DAY. UM, ALL THEIR PACKED UP MATERIALS THAT WERE MOVING OUT FOR LAUREN. RIGHT. SO YES SIR. SO THE COURTROOM IS, THE COURTROOM ITSELF JUST HAS THE RAILING TO BE DONE AND THE JUDGE IS GOING TO GET THE REPLACEMENT TABLES. YES, SIR. AND LOOK AT THE CHAIRS. RIGHT. EVERYTHING ELSE EXCEPT THE TILES AND A FINAL DETERMINATION IF HE WANTS TO PUT CARPETING IN THE FRONT YES, SIR. IS DONE. YEAH. SO THE JUDGE MAY DECIDE THAT HE WANTS TO BEGIN USING IT RIGHT AT ANY TIME. AND ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS THAT RAILING. MM-HMM. . SO THE REST OF THE COURTROOM, IT'S ESSENTIALLY DONE. THE CHANGE WAS WITH THE ACOUSTICS AND THE DECISION. THE, BUT HE DOESN'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE, HE DOESN'T HAVE TO WAIT. UM, YOU KNOW, WE WILL HAVE TO WORK IF HE GOES, IF HE WOULD GO INTO ACTION TODAY, WE WOULD, IT WOULD BE A LITTLE TOUGHER TO SCHEDULE REPLACING SEAL AND TOWELS AGAIN. MM-HMM. BECAUSE WE WERE WORKING AROUND HIS SCHEDULE. BUT YOU'RE NOT REPLACING ANY CEILING TILES NOW. WE, WE ARE GOING TO NOW ARE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO REPLACE? NO, WE WE'RE GOING TO REPLACE THE CEILING TILES WE PUT IN BASED ON THE ACOUSTICS REVIEW. THEY WANT THE CEILING TILES REPLACED PRIOR TO YES, SIR. SO, BUT YOU'RE NOT READY TO DO THAT? NO, SIR. NOT TODAY. OKAY. AND THAT'S GOING TO COME APPROXIMATELY WHEN, WHEN ARE WE GONNA HAVE [02:15:01] A DECISION ON THESE TILES? ON THE, THE CEILING TILES? YES. WE'RE GOING TO PUT THOSE IN WITHIN A WEEK? YES. HOPEFULLY WITHIN A WEEK. OKAY. AND THEN WE WILL COME BACK AND DO THE TEST AND, AND THEN WE'LL DETERMINE WHERE WE NEED THE ACOUSTIC PANELS ON THE WALLS. SO THE, THE TILES WILL GO IN THIS WEEK. RIGHT? THAT'S OUR GOAL. THAT'S OUR GOAL. AND THEN WE'LL DO THE TEST YEP. AND SEE WHAT THE JUDGE THINKS AND SO FORTH. YES, SIR. AND THEN WE'LL DO ANY ADDITIONAL ACOUSTICAL WORK THAT THEY WOULD LIKE SO THEY'LL BE ABLE TO USE THE ROOM. RIGHT. SO THE ONLY UNFINISHED FROM OUR INITIAL PLAN, THE ONLY THING UNFINISHED IN GENERAL DISTRICT THAT YOU MENTIONED EARLIER, IS THE RAILINGS THAT WE NEED TO REFINISH. YES. WE'VE, WE'VE HAD TO DIVERT A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE OF ACOUSTICS. SO IF IT WASN'T ACOUSTICS WEREN'T, WEREN'T A PROBLEM, WE WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY COMPLETE THIS WEEK. UM, SO HELP ME WITH THAT. WHAT DOES PAINTING THE RAILING HAVE TO DO WITH THE ACOUSTICS? WELL, NOW I'M SAYING WE WOULD'VE HIT OUR ORIGINAL TARGET, UM, OF BEING READY TODAY IF WE WEREN'T, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE BACKUP BECAUSE OF THE ACOUSTICS. SO THAT'S WHAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE'RE GONNA NEED THAT EXTRA MONTH TO COMPLETE EVERYTHING. UM, SO, BUT YOU'RE SAYING WE CAN DO THE TILES, WE CAN DO THE CEILING TILES, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE JEFF BACK IN THERE TO TEST THE ACOUSTICS AND ORDER THE WALL PANELS. THE, UH, JUDGE SAID THAT YOU WOULD DEAL WITH THE SOUND AT THAT TIME NEXT WEEK WHEN WE GET THESE TILES IN AND HE'LL, YOU'LL MEET WITH HIM AGAIN AND SEE WHAT HE WANTS US TO DO. YES. AND I, AND HE'LL BE ABLE TO USE IT AND I'LL MEET WITH HIM, WES, TOMORROW AT ONE FOR PROGRESS UPDATE ON ALL THE OTHER TASKS THAT WE REVIEWED. BUT THAT'S EVERYTHING IN THAT ROOM. YEP. YES, SIR. OKAY. NOW WHAT ARE WE DOING IN THE CLERK'S OFFICE? WE'VE BEEN RESEARCHING THE, UH, CARPET TO SEE IF WE CAN FIND, WE'VE BEEN RESEARCHING THE CARPET TO SEE IF WE CAN FIND A MOLD RESISTANT CARPET. RIGHT NOW, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO, UH, THE MOLD, UH, COMPANY THAT CAME IN AND LOOKED AT THE PROJECT ALONG WITH THE MOISTURE COMPANY, THEY HAD SAID NOT TO PUT CARPET BACK IN THESE AREAS DUE TO THE MOISTURE THAT THE STAFF WANTS. CARPET. THEY'D LIKE CARPET, BUT THEY DON'T WANT THE MOLD. CAN WE, THE, THE, THE FLOORING THAT'S UP IN THE LAW LIBRARY THAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY, UM, IS THAT, WOULD THAT BE FEASIBLE? BECAUSE I, WALKING ON THAT WAS A WHOLE LOT DIFFERENT THAN WALKING ON WHAT'S IN GENERAL DISTRICT COURT. MM-HMM. WOULD IT, BETWEEN THAT AND PUTTING IN THE TILES THAT YOU'RE GETTING READY TO SWITCH OUT, WHICH FOR EVERYONE, WE ALREADY HAD THOSE, SO IT'S NOT COSTING US ANYTHING. YOU'RE GONNA TAKE OUT WHAT'S IN THERE NOW AND PUT 'EM OVER AT THE SENIOR CENTER, SO. RIGHT. WE DIDN'T WASTE ANY MONEY BY DOING THAT MATERIAL MONEY ANYWAY. UM, AND DO YOU, YOU KNOW, COULD WE SEE IF THAT FLOORING AND THOSE TILES WOULD BE MORE SUITABLE TO THEM AND THE ACOUSTICS MAYBE WORK OUT? YES. WE, RIGHT NOW WERE RESEARCHING AND MAKE SURE WE, IF WE COULD FIND SOME CARPET, WE CANNOT FIND CARPET, IT'LL MEET THAT. SO NOW WE'LL GO BACK AND SEE IF WE CAN FIND THAT KIND OF PLANK. OKAY. BASICALLY A FLOATING FLOOR, RIGHT? IS WHAT THAT IS. OKAY. CAN I ASK? YES. UM, , SO I GUESS I'M CONFUSED. WE ARE TRYING TO FIND MOLD RESISTANT CARPET. WHY DID WE NOT JUST GET RID OF THE MOLD AND THE FUTURE, GET RID OF ISSUES? WE GOT, WELL, IT'S COMING UP THROUGH, IT'S THIS PART OF THE COURTHOUSE SETS IN A HOLE. SO YOU GOT DRAINAGE COMING FROM TWO SIDES AND IT'S SEEPING UNDERNEATH THE BUILDING, WHICH COMES UP THROUGH, IT'S A WEAK CONCRETE, SO WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID THE MOLD COMING BACK. BACK. RIGHT. NEW MOLD. YEAH. NOT THE EXISTING MOLD IS GONE. YES. DID WE HAVE A MOLD REMEDIATION COMPANY EVALUATE THIS? YEAH, WE HAD COMPANIES THAT COME IN. RIGHT. UH, ENVIRONMENTAL PC. YEAH. DID THEY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION YES. ABOUT WHAT TO DO FOR THE FUTURE? WELL, WE HAD WIKI DID THE SAMPLING, THEN WE HAD ENVIRONMENTAL PC COME IN AND DO THE REMEDIATION AND THEY'VE REMEDIATED THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE COURTHOUSE. AND SO ANY, WELL, I MEAN THE INIT, THE INITIAL TASK SAID TO, UM, CLEAN TREAT OR REMOVE THE CARPET AND, YOU KNOW, THE GENERAL DISTRICT COURT IS THE AREA THAT HAD THE HIGH LEVELS. AND WE KNOW WE HAD MULTIPLE ISSUES. UM, YOU KNOW, H V A C WAS ANOTHER ISSUE THAT WE HAD. UM, WE HAVE, [02:20:01] YOU KNOW, UNITS THAT, UM, ARE VERY OLD, SIMILAR TO THE ONE WE WERE PLACED UP HERE. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT IS ANOTHER, UM, PROJECT OR PART OF THIS PROJECT THAT WE REPLACE THOSE UNITS ON THE ROOF. SO A LOT OF THINGS WE'VE DONE SHOULD HELP. UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, PUTTING CARPET BACK DOWN, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE POTENTIAL FOR PROBLEMS IN THE FUTURE. UM, LESS LIKELY IF YOU CAN CLEAN THE SURFACE. SO THOSE, YOU KNOW, EACH PERSON YOU TALK TO IS GONNA TELL YOU THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LOT EASIER TO CLEAN THE SURFACE, YOU KNOW, OF A HARD SURFACE THAN IT IS, UM, CARPET OR FABRIC IF YOU DO GET A MOISTURE ISSUE. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA KILL THE SPORES IF YOU HAVE SPORES. IS THERE ANY WAY TO, UM, TO GET, CUZ I'VE JUST BEEN THROUGH THIS AT MY OWN HOUSE WITH WATER, UM, IS THERE ANY WAY TO HIRE SOMEONE TO PUT IN FRENCH DRAINS, DO SOMETHING THAT REDIRECTS THE WATER? WELL, WE DO HAVE, WE DO HAVE SOME DRAINS OUTSIDE THE BUILDING. AND IN OUR, IN OUR INITIAL, UM, PRESENTATION THAT WE DID, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, WELL, TRAVIS AND ALLEN, UM, TWO OF OUR PUBLIC WORKS EMPLOYEES, I GUESS WERE THE FIRST ONES OUT THERE. LEE MAYBE WAS WITH THEM, BUT THEY WERE SHOOTING GREAT AROUND ON THE NEW SIDE OF THE COURTHOUSE AND, YOU KNOW, AND THERE HAD JUST BEEN A LOT OF SETTLEMENT AND IT WASN'T DRAINING PROPERLY. SO THEY ACTUALLY WENT IN AND BUILT UP AND, AND TWO OF THE FOLKS WE HAD, DONNA AND I MET WITH THAT CAME IN, WE HAD 'EM, YOU KNOW, EVALUATING THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING. YOU KNOW, HEY, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GREAT. YOU'RE GETTING THAT WATER AWAY FROM THE FACILITY, BUT YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A, IF YOU WALK OUT THERE, THERE'S A DRAIN IN THE GROUND RIGHT THERE MM-HMM. . UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, I'D SAY WHEN IT WAS BUILT, IT WAS PROBABLY A DIRT ROAD AND, AND THEY BUILT THE ROAD UP OVER TIME AROUND THE PLACE. SO YOU'RE KIND OF IN A BOWL. UM, BUT THE, THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE IS ON THE, THE PORTION THAT WAS BUILT IN 1999, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OTHER ISSUES, UM, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THE FACILITY AND, AND WE'RE INVESTIGATING. I MEAN, I'VE BEEN ALL OVER THE BUILDING. UM, YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN ISSUES BEFORE, YOU KNOW, JUST HEARING THEY'VE HAD ISSUES WITH MOISTURE BEFORE AS YOU START TALKING TO PEOPLE, UM, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, THAT IT WILL EVER NOT HAVE TO WATCH FROM OLDEN. I MEAN, I THINK WE'LL HAVE TO CONTINUE TO LOOK AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO. WE MAY HAVE TO DO SOME MORE GRADING. WE MAY HAVE TO LOOK AT VAPOR BARRIERS. AND WE'VE BEGAN TO LOOK AT THOSE THINGS AND TALK TO OTHER EXPERTS, UM, TO SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO. YOU KNOW, JUST LOOKING AT THE STONE OUTSIDE AND ANY AREAS THAT WE NEED TO POINT UP THAT CAN CREATE, AS MISS COLORS MENTIONED A WICK. SO, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU NEED TO POINT UP THE STONE IF YOU'VE GOT CRACKS IN YOUR MORTAR. SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT ALL THOSE THINGS ON THE STRUCTURE. OKAY. UH, YEAH, I JUST, IT CONCERNS ME WHEN YOU WANT TO USE MOLD. RIGHT. THEY DON'T MAKE IT FOR A REASON. , THAT'S WELL, YEAH. YEAH. WELL, I MEAN, AND THAT'S, BUT I MEAN, EVERYWHERE RIGHT NOW WE CAN TEST IN HERE IN KEN SYM MOLD IS INSIDE AND OUTSIDE. SO, YOU KNOW, THE TESTS WAS SUCH IN THAT GENERAL DISTRICT COURT THAT THE LEVEL INSIDE WAS GREATER THAN OUTSIDE, YOU KNOW. SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU KNOW, WE KNEW WE HAD A ISSUE WITH MOISTURE INTRUSION. UH, A LOT OF IT WAS AIR CONDITIONING. UM, WE HAD A, I GUESS IT WAS DURING ONE OF OUR WALKTHROUGHS, WE HAD ONE OF THE OLD UNITS GO DOWN. UM, WE GOT A, I GUESS IT WAS A WORK ORDER FROM ANGIE IN GENERAL, GENERAL DIS, OR NOT GENERAL DISTRICT, IN THE CIRCUIT SIDE OVER IN THE RECORDS. AND WE WALK THROUGH AND I COULD FEEL THE TEMPERATURE CHANGE, YOU KNOW, AND SOME OF THESE OLD UNITS ARE HARD. IT TOOK A COUPLE DAYS TO GET APART, YOU KNOW, FOR THESE OLD UNITS. SO WE HAVE, AND MATT CAN TELL ME THE NUMBER, BUT THE VALUATION, WHAT WAS OUR INFRASTRUCTURE NEED, LIKE $3 MILLION. UM, YOU KNOW, SO WE HAVE, AND WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT ALL OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE, GETTING IN AN ASSET REPLACEMENT PROCESS. AND, YOU KNOW, THANKFULLY WE'RE STARTING TO GET AHEAD OF THE GAME IN, IN THAT AREA, AND IT'S A LOT MORE UNITS AT THE COURTHOUSE. SO I DO THINK THAT THAT'S GONNA MAKE A GREAT IMPACT. UM, THE WORK WE'VE DONE, WE WILL NEED TO CONTINUE TO EXPLORE, UM, AND SEE WHAT WE NEED TO DO. UM, I KNOW JUDGE, FUN SIDE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN ISSUES IN THE WALL. WE'VE MADE REPAIRS THERE BEFORE. AND THEN THE OLD SIDE OF THE COURTHOUSE, UNFORTUNATELY, YOU KNOW, AS OLD AS IT IS, AND YOU KNOW, JEFF'S MORE ON THE CONSTRUCTION SIDE THAN ME, BUT THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A VAPOR BARRIER, UM, FOR THAT FROST LINE AS IT COMES UP. AND IT WICKS UP, YOU KNOW, ON THAT OLD PART OF THE BUILDING AND YOU, AND YOU GOT PLASTER AND NO INSULATION, YOU KNOW. SO, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE THINGS THAT PROBABLY WOULD REQUIRE US TO RIP THE WALL APART TO, TO REALLY DO ANYTHING, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP IT HISTORICALLY AND THAT'S NOT ANOTHER GAME. YEP. OH, SO WELL, UM, YES MA'AM. GOING BACK TO THE COURTHOUSE. SO IF, UM, SO WHAT, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE COURTHOUSE WILL BE READY, UH, TO [02:25:01] START DOING SESSIONS IN DECEMBER. THAT IS OUR GOAL. YES, MA'AM. AND IS IT EARLY SEPTEMBER? MIDDLE SEPTEMBER. END OF SEPTEMBER. DECEMBER. DECEMBER BEGINNING DECEMBER ONE IS OUR GOAL, BUT THEY CAN USE IT NOW. THEY CAN USE IT NOW IF THEY WANT IT TO. YES, SIR. AND JUDGE COLLIN SAID HE MAY, HE SAID HE MAY START USING IT PRIOR TO OUR COMPLETION OF THE ACOUSTIC REVIEW. SO YEAH, I WAS IN IT YESTERDAY, SO I KNOW WHAT EXACTLY WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. RIGHT. SO, UM, SO WHAT ABOUT THE FURNITURE? SO IF, UM, YOU SAID THAT THE JUDGE WAS GONNA GET FURNITURE, I HAVE A MEETING WITH HIM TOMORROW AND HE WAS REVIEWING FURNITURE AND HE'S, WE'RE GONNA REVIEW EVERYTHING THAT WE WENT OVER LAST WEEK. SO I DON'T HAVE A UPDATE ON IF HE FOUND THE TABLES HE DESIRES OR NOT YET. OKAY. SHOULD TOMORROW. ALL RIGHT. SO, UM, WE'LL CONTINUE. I HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT I'LL LET YOU GET THROUGH THIS. THAT'S, THAT'S OKAY. AND, AND I KNOW THAT, UM, THERE WAS A EMAIL ABOUT COMMUNICATIONS, UM, THAT WENT TO ALL THE BOARD, UM, LAST WEEK. AND WE HAD A MEETING WITH THE JUDGES AND, UM, AND I, I TOOK RESPONSIBILITY. THERE WERE A FEW EMAILS THEY DIDN'T GET THAT DONNA SENT OUT. UM, I ACTUALLY HAD, IT'S NOT HERE, BUT, UM, WE HAD CREATED A SERVER GROUP WITH ALL THE JUDGES, ALL THE CLERKS, AND UM, UM, IN IT LAND I JUST FRIDAY I KNEW A COUPLE OF THE QUESTIONS, ED AND I DISCUSSED THAT THERE WAS SOME SCHEDULES SENT, UM, AND SOME BASIC INFORMATION. AND I EXPANDED THAT GROUP AND IT WAS LIKE THREE OR FOUR NAMES, NOT LIKE 10 OR 12 NAMES. UM, YOU KNOW, I CALLED TODD ON THE WAY. WE HAD A DISCUSSION, UM, AND THOUGHT MAYBE IT WAS A LOCAL GROUP, BUT HE ADDED ONE JUDGE'S NAME. AND WHEN I GOT BACK, REVIEWED IT WITH DANNY AND HE SAID IT SHOULD BE FUNCTIONING, IT STILL WAS NOT. SO WE DO HAVE IT FUNCTIONING NOW. UM, AND, BUT THERE WAS A FEW COMMUNICATIONS THAT DIDN'T GO OUT. UM, AND THAT WAS NOT ON, I'LL TAKE RESPONSIBILITY, BUT IT WAS NOT DONNA'S FAULT. SHE, WELL, NO D NO NEED AT ALL AS LONG AS WE'RE COMMUNICATING NOW. YEP. AND WE ALL ARE. BUT I WANTED TO MAKE THAT FORWARD. I WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR. IT'S, IT'S FINE. YEAH. NO, AND ON THE BEHALF OF ALL THE WORK THAT WAS DONE, IT WAS DONE WITH THE BEST INTENTIONS. IT JUST DIDN'T, IT WASN'T FUNCTIONAL FOR WHAT THE NEED WAS. RIGHT. SO, UM, YEAH, AND I, AND I HAVE TO GIVE DONNA VERY MUCH CREDIT EVERY DAY. SHE'S DEALING WITH EACH COURT AND EACH PERSON AND, UM, A WHOLE LOT OF TIME SPENT. SO, NO, DONNA'S PHENOMENAL. SHE, UM, YOU GIVE HER A TASK AND SHE'S, SHE'S ON A MISSION. YEP. AND DEFINITELY APPRECIATE THAT. ANYTHING ELSE THERE? SO YOU CAN GO THROUGH YOU, SIR. SO, OH, SO WHAT SCHEDULE FOR THE CLERK'S OFFICE? THE, FOR THE GENERAL DISTRICT CLERK? YES. WELL, WITH THAT, IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS WEEK WE'RE GONNA SAY THAT CARPET IS, IS NOT PRACTICAL. UM, AND THEN WE'LL DISCUSS THE FLOORING OPTIONS FROM OUR LAST DISCUSSION. THEY WILL BE INVOLVED IN THE MATERIALS THAT WE YEAH. CHOOSE. SO OUR GOAL IS TO FINISH THE, THE COURT FIRST AND THEN, UM, THE OFFICE. BUT I, I WOULD SAY AS SOON AS WE KNOCK OR LOCK DOWN THAT, THAT FLOORING, IT SHOULDN'T TAKE LONG. WE'VE ALREADY GOT, UM, ALL OF THEIR FILES HAVE BEEN MOVED, EVERYTHING THAT THEY NEED TO GET OUT OF THERE FOR THEIR FILE SYSTEM. SO IT SHOULD BE RELATIVELY EASY, UM, TO KNOCK IT OUT ONCE WE, UH, COME TO TERMS WITH, UM, THE FLOORING. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE PAINTING, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DO, YOU KNOW, RELATIVELY QUICKLY AS WELL. MAKE SURE PAINTING, I'M SORRY. OH, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY MAKE SURE YOU KEEP, UH, LAUREN IN THE, UM, LOOP OF THAT. I KNOW SHE WANTS TO BE. YEAH, RIGHT. LAUREN'S DEFINITELY IN THE LOOP. OKAY. I APPRECIATE THAT. YEAH. SO CAN WE DO THE PAINTING NOW? WELL, I, I, WE COULD POTENTIALLY, BUT I, I THINK WE PROBABLY SHOULD WAIT UNTIL WE LEAST DECIDE WHAT FLOOR WE'RE GONNA DO AND RIP EVERYTHING OUT SO WE DON'T BANG EVERYTHING UP. SO HOW LONG ARE WE GONNA WAIT TO PAINT? I GUESS WE CAN WORK ON A SCHEDULE THIS WEEK. UM, I WOULD SAY WE, I MEAN WE COULD PAINT THE FACILITY. I DON'T KNOW. WHAT DO YOU THINK, JEFF? YEAH, I WOULD GO AHEAD, REMOVE THE CARPET. YEAH. GET THAT ALL DOWN. PAINT THE ROOM WHILE WE'RE SELECTING THE FLOORING. SO WE'LL GO PROBABLY TWO WEEKS IF SCHEDULE PERMITS. WE GOTTA GET WITH DEPENDING WHAT'S IN STOCK. THAT'S THE [02:30:01] OTHER ISSUE. YEAH. NOW THAT WAY YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT GETTING PAIN ON YOUR FLOOR. IF I CAN MAKE A SUGGESTION. YES, MA'AM. I MEAN, RIGHT NOW I THINK THERE'S FOUR ROOMS THAT ARE AFFECTED WITH THIS UPDATE. AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST KIND OF, AND, AND EXCUSE MY TERM, WE'RE WAGGING DATES. AND IF YOU COULD JUST TAKE SOME TIME AND SIT DOWN AND PUT A, A SCHEDULE TOGETHER THAT WE ALL CAN MONITOR YOUR PROGRESS. SO, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU WERE SAYING, UH, THE COURTROOM, YOU KNOW, DECEMBER, THESE ARE THE THINGS WE HAVE LEFT TO DO. IT STARTS ON THIS DATE, IT ENDS ON THIS DATE, AND DO IT FOR EVERY ONE OF THE ROOMS. NOW UNDERSTAND, BEING A FORMER SCHEDULER, THINGS SLIP, TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THOSE, THEY'RE NOT CONCRETE, BUT AT LEAST THEY'LL GIVE EVERYBODY AN IDEA OF WHERE WE'RE GOING AND WHAT WE'RE TARGET IN SOMETHING THAT WE CAN FALL BACK ON AND, AND MONITOR. YOU KNOW, BECAUSE AGAIN, AS I SAID, I WAS THERE YESTERDAY, I SEE A LOT OF THE GOOD WORK EVERYONE'S DONE SO FAR, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE SERVING THE PEOPLE AND THERE IS SOME INCONVENIENCE GOING ON THAT THERE, THAT THE, THE COURT FOLKS ARE TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE. I AGREE. AND, AND AND UNDERSTAND. SO THERE'S A LOT OF LOGISTICS GOING ON IN THAT COURTHOUSE RIGHT NOW TO, TO SERVE EVERYBODY. AND I THINK IF WE CAN JUST GIVE THEM SOMETHING TO LOOK AT SO THEY CAN PLAN AROUND US. CUZ I THINK THE COMMUNICATION IS STARTING TO WORK. EVERYONE'S TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, HELP EACH OTHER AND UM, AND I THINK IF WE HAD SOMETHING LIKE THIS, IT WOULD HELP, IT'D HELP ME. MM-HMM. , IT HELPED ME TO MONITOR THE PROGRESS. I AGREE. BUT THAT'S JUST A SUGGESTION ON MY PART. AND, UM, AND, AND WE HAVE TRIED TO WORK WITH HIM AND ACCOMMODATE THEIR SCHEDULE. UM, AGAIN, WE'LL BE WORKING NEXT WEEK ON THE HOLIDAYS, SPECIFICALLY ON THURSDAY AND FRIDAY FOR THE LAST UNIT, UM, WITH AIR SERVE BECAUSE IT'S AN ACTIVE COURTROOM UP IN COURTROOM B. RIGHT. YOU HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL YOU CAN GET TWO DAYS. EXACTLY. AND SO WE'VE DONE OUR BEST TO WORK, UM, ON EVERY WEEKEND. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE EMAILS THAT DIDN'T GO OUT. YOU KNOW, DONNA'S BEEN IN THERE EVERY SINGLE WEEKEND MM-HMM. WITH THE REMEDIATORS AND WITH THE CONTRACTORS AND, AND, AND THEN ALSO WITH THIS TYPE OF A SCHEDULE, YOU WORK WITH THE COUNTY PEOPLE AS WELL. RIGHT. RIGHT. AND SAY, OKAY, IF YOU WANT IT DONE BY THIS TIME, I NEED A SLOT. RIGHT. TO COME IN AND DO IT. YOU KNOW, THERE'S THAT AND THAT'S WHERE THE NEGOTIATIONS ABOUT THE COMMUNICATION COMES INVOLVED NOVEMBER 7TH AND EIGHTH. RIGHT. THAT'S FROM THE JUDGE. MM-HMM. , YOU KNOW, WE NEED TWO DAY WINDOW AND IF NOT THEN WE'LL WORK ON A FRIDAY SATURDAY RIGHT. ON THE HOLIDAY. YOU KNOW, SO THEY, YOU KNOW, TAKING A COURTROOM AWAY, WE KNOW THAT GETS CAN DO THAT. IT'S, IT'S, YEAH. IT'S, IT'S TOUGH. SO WE'RE, OTHER THAN SHUTTING THEM DOWN AND, AND STILL WE HAVE, DON'T WANNA THE CONTRACTORS IN MATERIALS AND SUPPLY. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, I THINK OVERALL THERE HAS BEEN DECENT COMMUNICATION. THERE'S SOME MISUNDERSTANDING AND AGAIN, THERE WAS A DROP, YOU KNOW, THAT I'LL TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR. YEAH. WELL IF WE CAN JUST SEE THE BIG PICTURE. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE WAY THIS, THIS SCHEDULE WAS PRESENTED TO US ABOUT A MONTH AGO, A MONTH AND A HALF AGO. YEP. IT, IT DIDN'T BREAK IT DOWN TO THE DIFFERENT ROOMS THAT WERE RIGHT. WE'RE RENOVATING RIGHT NOW. RIGHT. IT JUST SAID H V A C REPLACEMENT, FURNITURE REPLACEMENT, IT, YOU KNOW, SO WELL WE'RE ONLY DOING THAT IN THESE TWO ROOMS. RIGHT. WELL RIGHT. YOU KNOW, TO BE, HAVE MORE VISIBILITY RIGHT. IN EXACTLY WHAT'S GETTING DONE. BECAUSE I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, WHEN I WENT THERE YESTERDAY AND SAW, I'M LIKE, OH MY GOD, WE'RE DEALING WHEN IT CAME DOWN THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH FOUR ROOMS THAT WE HAVE TO, UM, MAKE, RIGHT? MM-HMM. . SO ANYWAY, THAT WAS MY SUGGESTION. THANK YOU. OKAY. IS THAT ALL THE COURTHOUSE? OKAY, NEXT. UM, OH ALSO, UM, THEY HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IN CONSTRUCTING A SALLY PORT, UM, WHERE THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO KIND OF HAVE PRISONERS WHEN THEY BRING THEM TO THE COURTHOUSE TO, UM, HAVE A PLACE WHERE THEY CAN GET OUT AND GET INTO THE BUILDING. AND WE HAVE BEEN WORKING, THE BUILDING COMMITTEE HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR THAT, UM, SINCE IT IS AND IN KIND OF A HISTORIC AREA. AND, UM, THE BUILDING IS WOULD HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, MATCH THE EXISTING COURTHOUSE. AND, UM, SO WE'RE WORKING ON THAT. THEY ARE WORKING TO SUBMIT THAT AS PART OF, UM, THEIR C I P AS A PROJECT CUZ IT'S NOT IN THERE RIGHT NOW. UM, AND WE DO THINK THAT WITH THE MATERIALS, IT PROBABLY WILL BE OVER THE $50,000 THRESHOLD [02:35:01] AND, UM, CONSTRUCTION WOULD PROBABLY BEGIN ON THAT IN SUMMER 2023 IS WHAT WE'RE THINKING. UM, SO THAT WOULD BE PART OF, UM, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, C I P, SO THE LIBRARY, UM, THEY HAVE, THEY DO HAVE A C I P PROJECT FOR CARPET REPLACEMENT. $50,000 HAVE BEEN SET ASIDE. UM, IT WILL TAKE MORE MONEY THAN THAT TO DO THE ENTIRE LIBRARY. UM, SO JEFF HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THEM, UM, AND FINANCE FOR PROCUREMENT OF THAT AND THE CHILDREN'S AREA WOULD BE THE FIRST AREA FOR THE CARPETING TO BE REPLACED. AND, UM, THEY'VE KIND OF BROKEN IT OUT INTO THREE PHASES. UM, SO I DO LOOK FOR THAT TO BE ANOTHER C I P PROJECT BEING SUBMITTED THIS YEAR. THE LIBRARY. SO WHAT IS THE, WHAT'S WRONG WITH CARPET STAIN? VERY WORN AND YES. THE CHILDREN'S AREA IS THE WORST. RIGHT SECTION. WELL, I WAS GONNA ASK, IS THERE NOT ANY, UM, COVID MONEY THAT COULD BE USED FOR THAT FOR THE CHILDREN? BECAUSE THAT IS A, A SANITARY ISSUE, UM, WITH YOU HAVE CHILDREN AND PERHAPS YOU COULD, I KNOW WE HAD SOMETHING LEFT OVER . I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE HAD HOW MUCH WE HAD LEFT OVER, BUT IF THERE'S A WAY TO USE IT, UM, WELL WE, WE HAVE 50,000 RIGHT NOW THAT WILL TAKE CARE OF ALL THE KIDS' SIDE. THAT'S A SET OF OUR RIGHT IN THE C I P YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S IN THE C I P ALREADY THAT WE GO, REMEMBER WHEN WE ALLOCATED $50,000 LAST YEAR TO THE C I P. BUT I WAS WAS JUST WONDERING IF THERE, YOU SAID IT WASN'T GONNA BE ENOUGH TO DO THE WHOLE LIBRARY MM-HMM. . SO COULD WE REPLACE THE CHILDREN'S SIDE USING, YOU KNOW, LEFTOVER COVID MONEY AND DO THE OTHER SIDE WITH WE THAT WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT? I CAN TALK ABOUT THAT. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW. DR. DAILEY, DO WE HAVE ANY ? WELL THE, UM, LIBRARY IF, IF YOU REMEMBER IS SITTING ON A SUBSTANTIAL PORTION OF FUNDING AND WE GAVE THEM THE OPTION, WE WOULD DO THIS 50,000 AT A TIME. OKAY. OR THEY COULD DO THE WHOLE REST OF IT ANY TIME THEY WANT AND THEY SAID THEY'D RATHER WAIT AND STASH THEIR CASH. RIGHT. I WAS JUST WONDERING, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY OF PUTTING RUNNERS IN THERE? I MEAN, INSTEAD OF REPLACING THE WHOLE CARPET? NO, IT'S VERY AGED. IF YOU GO LOOK, YOU, YOU'LL UNDERSTAND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THEY'RE THERE FOUR AND . YEAH. IT'S BAD. OKAY. I PERSONALLY LIKE A FLOOR. CORRECT ME IF I'M, UM, ARE YOU IN YOUR TIME MM-HMM. YEAH. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT WE'VE, WE'VE UM, ALREADY TALKED TO THE LIBRARY ABOUT THIS AND THEY'VE AGREED WITH THIS IMPLEMENTATION PLAN. YES MA'AM. AND GOING FORWARD, THEY HAVE NO ISSUES WITH IT AND THEY'RE WANTING, YOU KNOW, ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH US. RIGHT. UH, TWO O'CLOCK TODAY WE WILL BE PICKING OUT THE COLORS AND WORKING WITH THE CORPORATE INSTALLER TO GET EVERYTHING SET UP. MM-HMM. . YEAH. THANK YOU. FIRE AND RESCUE. UM, CURRENTLY WE'RE WORKING ON A NEW LOCATION FOR THE SHANDO FARMS, UM, STATION SIX AND THE COUNTY OWNS FIVE ACRES ON VILLE ROAD. UM, THAT WAS PLANNED FOR A NEW CONVENIENCE SITE. UM, AND NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, BUILDING FIRE STATION ON THIS PROPERTY. THIS, UM, IT WOULD, THIS IS UM, A BASICALLY A FIRE SERVICE MAP THAT, UM, EMMA PUT TOGETHER FOR THE CHIEF THAT SHOWS THAT IT WILL EXPAND, UM, THEIR, THEIR CALL AREA. IT IS BETTER LOCATION, IT BRINGS IT MORE IN TOWARDS, UM, THE TOWN AND RIGHT NOW IT'S UP ON THE CLARK COUNTY LINE. AND THE SCHEDULE FOR THIS, UM, CURRENTLY WE, WE DO HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE PER PERMIT FOR THE SITE, FOR THE CONVENIENCE CENTER. SO WE WOULD NEED A NEW ONE FOR THE, UM, FIRE STATION. AND WE'VE MET WITH VDOT ON SITE, UM, TO SEE WHAT WE NEED TO DO AS FAR AS THEIR INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS. UM, WE DO NEED A SITE DISTANCE EASEMENT ACROSS THE ROAD, WHICH OUR SURVEY DOES SHOW THAT IT IS ALL WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY. UM, VIDOT HAS ASKED US TO DO KIND OF A NEW RENDERING, SHOWING A NEW PROFILE, UM, TO, TO ENSURE THAT IT IS ALL WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY AND THAT WE DON'T NEED, UM, SOME PROPERTY ACROSS THE ROAD FOR OUR SITE DISTANCE EASEMENT. SO WE'RE WORKING ON THAT. WE'RE WORKING WITH THE ENGINEER REVISED PLANS, UM, THAT WE'LL NEED FOR DEQ. UM, THERE ARE SOME, THERE WERE SOME DRAINAGES AND AS WE WERE GONNA HAVE TO, UM, GET FOR THE CONVENIENCE SITE. SO I'M NOT SURE IF THAT WILL STILL BE THE CASE WITH THE FIRE STATION. SO WE'RE WORKING KIND OF ALL [02:40:01] THROUGH THAT. UM, WE'LL NEED ARCHITECTURAL AND ENGINEERED DRAWINGS PERMITS AND WE'RE KIND OF ANTICIPATING CONSTRUCTION BEGINNING IN FALL 2023. SO THE, THE FIRST THING THE BOARD WILL SEE IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THAT WILL BE COMING FORWARD. UM, SAY THAT AGAIN PLEASE? THE FIRST THING THAT YOU'LL SEE IS THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THAT WILL BE COMING FORWARD TO YOU FOR THE FIRE STATION FOR THIS SITE. THANK YOU. UM, AND THIS WOULD BE HAVE, IT WOULD BE PART OF, UM, THE CHIEF C I P THAT HE'LL BE SUBMITTING AS WELL. SO DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD ON THAT NORTH WARREN? UM, THIS IS STATION 10 NORTH WARREN, UM, STAFF IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPING A PRIORITY LIST OF IMPROVEMENTS, SCHEDULE AND COST SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS TO THE BUILDING IS THE TOP PRIORITY. SO, UM, THE BAY AREA, THE PURIFICATION, UM, IN THE BAYS IS THE TOP PRIORITY. UM, CAPTAIN SARNO IS WORKING ON GETTING ESTIMATES FOR THAT. THE FLAT ROOF SECTION WILL NEEDS TO BE REPLACED AND THE PLAN IS FOR THAT TO BE REPLACED IN APPROXIMATELY THE JANUARY TIMEFRAME. UM, THAT WILL GO OUT TO BID AND JEFF IS WORKING ON THAT. AND THEN OTHER IMPROVEMENTS TO THE BUILDING, UM, WILL BE SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANNING PROCESS. SO, UM, THE CHIEF'S WORKING ON THAT. GOOD. YES SIR. COULD YOU SPEAK TO THE, UH, BAY AREA A LITTLE BIT, THE DIESEL ISSUES? SURE. GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, SO, UM, TO DR. DALEY'S POINT, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO FOCUS ON IS JUST TO SAFE UP EACH STRUCTURE, NOT JUST THE NORTH WARREN STRUCTURE. OBVIOUSLY THE NEXT SLIDE WILL BE FIRE STATION FOUR, BUT, UM, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS KIND OF IN A PHASED APPROACH IN, IN THE INTEREST OF PRIORITY, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT IS, UM, THE CARCINOGEN SPECIFICALLY THAT PERMEATE THE LIVING QUARTERS AS A RESULT OF THE ENGINE BAY DRIVE-THROUGHS THE DIESEL EXHAUST SPECIFICALLY. UM, WE'RE FINDING IT'S NOT JUST SPECIFIC TO FIRE STATION 10, BUT AS WE DO ANALYSIS TO THE OTHER STATIONS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT SOME EMPHASIS AND PRIORITY TO THE SAFETY OF THAT BECAUSE IT'S PERMEATING THE LIVING QUARTERS. SO WE'RE IN THE PRO PROCESS OF RIGHT NOW OF LOOKING AT HOW BEST TO DO THAT. UM, SOME EXAMPLES OF THE TESTING WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE DOING SOME AIRFLOW TESTING IN FIRE STATION 10 OR SOON TO BE ORDERED TO FIND OUT THE RETURNS WHERE THEY'RE AT AND HOW THEY'RE COMING INTO THE BUNKING SPACE, THE BUNK SPACE IF YOU WILL. UM, AND THEN ALSO LOOKING AT, UM, VENDORS AND GOING OUT TO BID TO LOOK AT A DIRECT CAPTURE DIESEL EXHAUST IN THE BASE. MORE OF A BOOT SYSTEM SO IT CAN EXHAUST THE CARCINOGENS AND THE CEO FROM THE ENGINE BAY, HENCE ALLEVIATING THAT, PERMEATING THE LIVING SPACE. OKAY. UH, ONE QUESTION, JUST I KNOW THAT GET MY ARMS WRAPPED AROUND ALL THESE FIRE STATIONS THAT WE HAVE HERE. SO IS THIS STATION BELONG TO THE COUNTY OR IS IT, UM, PART OF THE VOLUNTEER FIRE? SO IT'S BOTH BUT IT IS A COUNTY. IT IS A COUNTY FACILITY. IT'S A COUNTY FACILITY. YES, THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU. YES MA'AM. AND IT'S KIND OF EASY TO DIVIDE THAT WE MAY HAVE. WE'RE WE'RE DOWNSTAIRS IN THE STATION STATION AND THE VOLUNTEERS ARE UPSTAIRS IN THE GATHERING ROOM FACILITY, THE MEETING ROOM VENT CENTER OR WHATEVER, AND THEY TAKE CARE. GEEZ. THANK YOU. UM, STATION FOUR IS, UM, ANOTHER STATION THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON. UM, SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS TO THE STATION IS THE, IS THE CONCENTRATION, UM, RENOVATIONS WILL BE DONE AS NECESSARY TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF STAFF IN THAT STATION AND ANY OTHER IMPROVEMENTS, UM, WOULD BE SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANNING PROCESS. UM, SO I THINK THE CHIEF IS GONNA ELABORATE ON THAT. SO, UM, AGAIN, SIMILAR SITUATION WITH THE DIESEL EXHAUST. UM, BUT UM, SO THE, WHAT WAS FORMERLY THE VOLUNTEER STATION, THEY HAVE ASKED US TO TAKE OVER THE STATION AND THE RESPONSIBILITIES BECAUSE OF THE FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS. UM, AND ANOTHER CONVERSATION THERE. BUT THERE ARE A HOST OF SAFETY ISSUES AS IT RELATES TO FIRE STATION FOUR SPECIFICALLY THAT ARE NOT ATYPICAL BECAUSE OF THE AGE OF THE STRUCTURE, THE DESIGN OF THE STRUCTURE, AND SOME OF THE LIMITATIONS. UM, THINGS THAT HAD MANIFEST OR PERPETUATED WERE LEAKS IN THE ROOF. UM, AND AS A RESULT WE'VE HAD, UM, MIKE BERRY [02:45:01] AND UH, MICHAEL COEL OUT THERE WORKING WITH, UM, CONTRACTORS TO LOOK AT ONE THE LEAK AND TO ENSURE THAT THE LEAKS HAVE STOPPED TO ENSURE THAT UM, THE BUILDING IS AN ENTIRETY IS SAFED UP. AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT, THE ELECTRICAL WORK IS SAFE AND THE SUB PANELS ARE GOOD, UM, THAT THE DIESEL EXHAUST IS, UM, WORKING OR THE DRUG CAPTURE SYSTEM. AND FINALLY THE BUNK ROOMS, UM, THEY'RE BEING JUST STRIPPED DOWN TO THE STUDS AND MOLD REMEDIATION SPECIFICALLY IN THE FEMALE BUNK ROOM. AND NOW WE'VE RELOCATED THEM TO, UH, A SPACE UPSTAIRS. UM, WE'RE NOW HANGING SHEETROCK NOW IN THERE. UM, CUZ WE, IT'S WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE, THE REMEDIATION IS DONE AND WE'LL BE DOING THE SAME THING WITH THE, UH, MALE BUNK ROOM, UM, THE MEN'S BUNK ROOM. EXCUSE ME. SO, UM, THE WHOLE IDEA HERE IS JUST TO MAKE THE, THE BUILDING A SAFER PLACE TO BE. UM, AND AS MS. LOGAN ALLUDED TO, THIS IS THE SAFE UP PIECE OF THIS. UM, AS WE LOOK TO ANY FUTURE RENOVATIONS FOR ANY OF THE FIRE STATIONS, WHILE HAVE IT AS A PLACEHOLDER IN THE C I P ANY QUESTIONS? SO IT IS THIS AGAIN, A COUNTY OWNED VEHICLE, UM, FACILITY. SO, SO RIGHT NOW YES MA'AM. SO RIGHT NOW IT'S OWNED. YEAH. SO RIGHT NOW IT'S OWNED BY HER. I, THIS I NO, IT'S FAIR. I I MEAN I I'M SORRY. YOU KNOW, I I I'VE, I KNOW WE DISCUSSED THIS IN THE PAST AND UNFORTUNATELY I MISUNDERSTOOD OUR INTENTIONS ON GOING FORWARD WITH STATION FOUR. SO I JUST NEED TO ASK THESE QUESTIONS. NO, PLEASE DO. I'M THAT UNDERSTAND. YEAH. TO TO GET MY ARMS AROUND IT AND KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING. SO CURRENTLY IT'S OWNED BY A VOLUNTEER ENTITY OF OUR, THE LENDING VOLUNTEER COMPANY, UM, WITH THE INTENT OF THEIR ASKING US TO HAND OVER THE REINS. AND, UH, AGAIN, I I SAY THAT IN UNDERSTANDING THERE'LL BE NO IN CONTINUITY OF OPERATIONS, EMERGENCY STAFFING WILL REMAIN 24 7 365. IT'S CAREER STAFFING AND IT IS SUPPLEMENTED BY A VOLUNTEER CONTINGENT. UM, BUT IN THE INTERIM, UM, UNDER DR. DAILEY'S DIRECTION, WE HAVE, UM, BEGUN EMERGENCY REPAIRS TO THE STATION BASED ON THE HEALTH AND WELFARE OF THE FOLKS INSIDE IT, THE STAFFING 24 7 REMEDIATION TO, TO STRIPPING OF SOME OF THE BUNK ROOMS TO ENSURE THAT THE DIESEL ALL EXHAUST IS NOT PERMEATING THE THE LIVING QUARTERS. UM, THIS IS AGAIN, JUST A FIRST PHASED APPROACH AT LOOKING AT CONCERNS WE HAVE FOR THE HEALTH AND WELFARE OF THE FOLKS LIVING THERE. SO ARE WE, UH, SO THE EX I'M NOT ARGUING NO, PLEASE DO. OF, OF, OF NO OF WHAT WE'RE DOING BECAUSE I BELIEVE, I DON'T CARE IF WE'RE COUNTY PEOPLE OR THEY'RE VOLUNTEER FIRE, THEY ALL NEED TO BE PROTECTED. THANK YOU. HOW ABOUT AGREE. OKAY, SO I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, GONNA BE QUESTIONING THAT AT ALL. JUST THE PROCESS AND UNDERSTANDING HOW WE'RE GETTING THERE. THAT'S ALL. OKAY. SO, UM, SO WE'RE INVESTING, WELL THE FIRE AND RESCUES CUZ IT'S COMING OUTTA YOUR, YOUR FISCAL BUDGET AND TO PROTECT OUR, OUR MEN AND WOMEN, ARE WE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S NOT A COUNTY OWNED FACILITY AND I KNOW FROM WHAT WE'VE, WE WERE, UH, THAT WAS IN OUR, OUR PACKET WITH THE MOU AND WE WERE GONNA BUY THE PROPERTY X, Y, Z YOU KNOW, SO AT ANY POINT ARE WE GOING TO BE REIMBURSED FOR THESE OR ARE WE JUST DOING IT BECAUSE WE WANNA BE GOOD PARTNERS WITH THE VOLUNTEER FIRE STATION? I MEAN, HOW, HOW IS ALL THAT WORKING? I'LL DEFER. SO THE, UM, VOLUNTEER COMPANY, UM, OWES THE COUNTY APPROXIMATELY $50,000. UM, MATT CAN GET YOU AN EXACT NUMBER, BE GLAD, BUT THEY OWE THAT BECAUSE OF THE ALLOCATION YOU GIVE THEM EACH YEAR, EACH OF THE COMPANIES, UH, WAS OVER SENT SPENT BY SOME PEOPLE SEVERAL YEARS AGO. UM, SO THE COMPANY ALSO OWES ABOUT 40,000, I BELIEVE TWO OTHER PARTIES. LET ME SEE YOUR SHEET THERE. SO THEY, THEY OWE TOTAL OF MORTGAGE DEBT, TWO 50,254,000. I'M LOOKING AT THE SHEET HE GAVE YOU BEFORE, WHICH SHOWS BRINGS THE NET DOWN. BUT WE WILL TAKE THE FACILITY BE PROPOSING TO THE BOARD TO TAKE THE FACILITY FOR THE MORTGAGE AND WE WILL PAY OFF THE MORTGAGE. THE COMPANY WILL NOT, UH, MAKE ANY MONEY ON THIS. I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT VOLUNTEER COMPANY'S [02:50:01] NOT GONNA WALK AWAY WITH CASH IN THEIR POCKETS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. UH, WE WILL TAKE THE PROPERTY FOR, AS I SAY, FOR THE MORTGAGE AND WE'LL THEN DO AN ANALYSIS WHETHER WE WANT TO CONTINUE THE MORTGAGE SINCE IT'S AN OLDER MORTGAGE, IT HAS A BETTER RATE ON IT THAN IF WE WANT IT TO DO ONE OURSELVES. AND IT'S PROBABLY COMPARABLE TO WHAT IF WE TOOK OUR INVESTMENT EARNING. IT'S PROBABLY COMPARABLE TO WHAT WE EARN BECAUSE IT'S AN OLD MORTGAGE. SO WHEN YOU SAY WE TAKE OVER THE MORTGAGE, IS THAT BUYING THE PROPERTY? YES. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT YOU MEAN BY THAT. OKAY. SO WHEN I SAY THAT, THEN THEY WILL TRANSFER, AS MR. HAM MENTIONED EARLIER, HE'S, HIS OFFICE IS WORKING ON THE TITLES AND THE DEEDS AND MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S CLEAR AND SO FORTH THAT THERE'S NO, UH, WITH A VOLUNTEER COMPANY, HE WANTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE NO OTHER, UH, INDIVIDUALS OR ENTITIES THAT HAVE ANY RIGHTS OR ACCESS TO ANYTHING. AND SO THE, THAT WILL PROBABLY BE ANOTHER MONTH BEFORE HE'S DONE WITH THAT. AND I DON'T MEAN TO BE SPEAKING FOR HIM, BUT I GUESS BECAUSE OF WHAT HE TOLD ME ABOUT WHO'S DOING IT AND SOME STAFFING ISSUES, IT'LL BE A DECEMBER MEETING. SO THIS TEMPORARY IS JUST TO PROTECT US AND WE'LL PUT THAT ON, ON THE 16TH. AND THAT IS JUST TO SAY THAT IF SUDDENLY THEY CHANGED THEIR MIND AND WANTED TO KEEP THEIR BUILDING, THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO REIMBURSE US FOR ANY EXPENDITURES. NOW THAT'S NOT VERY PRACTICAL QUITE FRANKLY BECAUSE, AND THE REASON WE'RE PROCEEDING IS SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE FACT IF ANY OF OUR FACILITIES HAD MOLD OR SOMETHING, WE TRIED TO GET IT OUT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. OH, ABSOLUTELY. SO THAT'S WHAT THING. SO THE FUNDING THAT YOU'RE USING TODAY, AS FAR AS THAT STATION GOES, IS THAT THE TOP OF THAT SHEET? I HAD A $78,000 INSURANCE RECOVERY MM-HMM. THAT ACTUALLY CAME FOR THE BOARD TO APPROVE AND IT WAS PUT INTO THIS PROJECT. SO THAT'S AN INSURANCE RECOVERY THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THEM. WRECKING ONE OF THEIR APPARATUS CHIEF COULD PROBABLY TELL YOU MORE ABOUT THAN I COULD. THAT'S THE MONEY THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY FUNDING TO USE THIS STARTUP BASICALLY TO GET THIS GOING. SO WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY USING COUNTY MONEY THAT WE'VE BUDGETED FOR SOMETHING ELSE. THIS WAS AN INSURANCE RECOVERY USED TO START THE PROCESS. MM-HMM. VERY GOOD. BUT WHEN WE GET TO THE, UM, ACTUAL TRANSFER THING KILL, WHEN WE GET TO THE ACTUAL TRANSFERRING THE TITLE AND SO FORTH, WE WILL BE TAKING THE, AN APPROPRIATION THAT WE'LL BE REQUESTING FROM THE BOARD TO APPROVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I UNDERSTAND, THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM. THAT'S ALL THE, THE LARGER PROJECTS. UM, I DID WANNA POINT OUT THAT WE'VE SENT OUT A REQUEST FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS TO ALL THE AGENCIES AND DEPARTMENTS AND I HAVE MADE THEM DO ON MONDAY, NOVEMBER 14TH. UM, SO THE SCHEDULE ON THAT IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD SCORE THEM IN AT THEIR, AT A DECEMBER WORK SESSION AND THEN, UM, THE SCORES AND THE PROJECTS WOULD COME TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR UM, HOPEFULLY A JANUARY WORK SESSION. SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S THE GOAL FOR THAT. UM, WE STAFF IS REVIEWING RFPS THAT WERE SUBMITTED FOR ENGINEERING ARCHITECTURAL SERVICES FOR OUR ONECALL CONTRACTING. UM, AND KIND OF AS PART OF THAT WE'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THE, UM, TWO OF THE BOARD'S GOALS THAT YOU DISCUSSED IN YOUR VISIONING FOR, JUST TO UPDATE OUR, SOME CURRENT PLANS THAT WE HAVE. UM, MAINLY THE COUNTY FACILITIES PLAN IN THE ROCKLAND PARK MASTER PLAN. UM, WE'RE STILL WORKING WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF CONSERVATION AND RECREATION AND THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE, UM, ON THE GRANT FOR THE FIELDS. AND, UM, THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT IS PROBABLY GONNA BE DUE AT THE END OF THIS MONTH OR THE BEGINNING OF NEXT YEAR IS WHAT DCR HAS TOLD ME. I HAD A MEETING WITH THEM LAST WEEK, SO THAT'S MOVING ALONG. IT'S JUST VERY SLOW . UM, THAT'S ALL WE HAVE. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? WE'RE ALL HERE TO ANSWER THEM. SO QUESTION FOR YOU. I KNOW THAT YOU HAD APPLIED FOR A GRANT FOR THE FIELDS AT THE ROCKLAND PARK. YES MA'AM. AND I JUST WANTED TO KNOW THE STATUS. SO I MET WITH, UM, DEPARTMENT OF CONSERVATION AND RECREATION LAST WEEK AND THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE HAS COME BACK AND ASKED FOR ADDITIONAL ENVIRONMENTAL INFORMATION ON THE SITE. AND THEY, [02:55:01] FOR MANY OTHER LOCALITIES THAT APPLIED, NOT JUST OURS, 18 LOCALITIES HAD APPLIED. UM, AND ONE OF THE COMPANIES THERE IS A COMP L PDA A THEY HAD DONE A WHOLE LOT OF WORK ON THE SITE AND ARE SUPER FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE. AND I FEEL I COULD REALLY KNOCK THAT ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT OUT FOR US PRETTY QUICK BECAUSE THEY DID IT FOR ANOTHER LOCALITY, I JUST FOUND OUT. AND IT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED. SO I TALKED TO THEM EARLIER, UM, I TALKED TO THEM LAST WEEK AND THEY'VE ACTUALLY SENT ME EVERYTHING THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE ON THE SITE, WHICH WAS A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION THAN I HAD. SO I'VE SENT THAT TO THE FARMER CONSERVATION RECREATION AND THEN, UM, I'M GONNA MEET WITH MELISSA ON EITHER, WE'RE ALSO INTERVIEWING THEM AS PART OF THIS ON CALL CONTRACTING. SO, OR MAYBE TO JUST INDIVIDUALLY BID THAT ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT OUT OR SOMEHOW, UM, GET A COMPANY ON BOARD TO HELP US JUST KIND OF KNOCK THAT OUT. CUZ THE $2 MILLION GRANT AND I, I HATE TO LOSE THAT FOR THIS ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT THAT STAFF CANNOT DO. I MEAN, WE, WE NEED SOMEONE, A PROFESSIONAL COMPANY TO DO THAT BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF REQUIREMENTS THAT THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE NEEDS. I MEAN, IT'S A FEDERAL GRANT. UM, SO THEY, I ASKED FOR A A, A DATE AS TO WHEN I HAVE TO HAVE THAT BY. AND THEY DON'T HAVE AN EXACT DEADLINE. THEY'RE TELLING ME THE END OF THIS YEAR, THE BEGINNING OF NEXT YEAR. SO SHE'S GONNA KEEP ME INFORMED. I HAVE A, WE DO HAVE A GOOD CONTACT AT DCR. SHE'S THE CONTACT BETWEEN THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE AND THE LOCALITIES. WE'RE NOT THE ONLY LOCALITY GOING THROUGH THIS, BUT THEY'VE BASICALLY KIND OF EARMARKED THIS MONEY FOR US, BUT WE NEED TO FINISH THESE REQUIREMENTS, THE ENVIRONMENTAL REQUIREMENTS. SO, SO WE'RE JUST WORKING THROUGH IT. EXCELLENT. I MEAN IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A BIG GRANT AND THERE ARE A LOT OF REQUIREMENTS TO GET IT AND SO, UM, BUT, AND IT'S SLOW. UM, THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE, THEY DID HAVE, I THINK THEY HAD SOME STAFFING ISSUES AND UM, BUT THE GOOD THING IS WE HAVE A GOOD CONTACT WITH DCR AND SHE'S, SHE'S OUR LINK, UM, FOR US AND THE LOCALITIES FOR THE GRANTS. SO. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU. THEY ARE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE GRANT, SO IT'S JUST SO FINGERS CROSSED WE JUST HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO MEET THESE ENVIRONMENTAL REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY HAD. QUICK QUESTION. YES SIR. ANYTHING NEW ON, UM, SECOND ENTRANCE FOR SHE SHORES? UM, THE CHIEF AND I TALKED, I THINK THAT WAS YESTERDAY. AND I'M GONNA REACH OUT TO THE CONTACT THAT I KNOW AT CHRIST COLLEGE AND WE'RE GONNA SET UP A MEETING AND THAT WOULD BE FOR THE EMERGENCY ACCESS, UM, FROM THE, UM, THE AREA IN CASE THAT THE RAILROAD IS BLOCKED, EMERGENCY SERVICES CAN'T GET TO THE SITE, TO THE PROPERTIES. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THAT'S ALL THE UPDATE I HAVE. OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. , ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NOT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SHANDO [WORK SESSION O. Shenandoah Farms Road Projects - Mike Berry / Michael Coffelt] FARMS ROAD PROJECTS, MR. BERRY AND MR. GOLD BELT. YOU CAN, YOU CLICK. ALL RIGHT, SO WE GOT SHANDO FARMS AND ACTUALLY WE HAVE A COUPLE, UM, OTHERS AT THE END OF SHANDO FARMS. SO I THINK OUR LAST DISCUSSION WAS ON AUGUST. UM, AND YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DISCUSSED, AND I DIDN'T PUT IT IN HERE DIRECTLY, BUT UM, WAS A TRAFFIC COUNT AND IT WAS 416, WAS THE TRAFFIC COUNT ON ONE OLD OAK? UM, JUST FOR YOUR REFERENCE ON OLD OAK ROAD? YES. YEP. IS THAT ONE OR TWO OR THE WHOLE THING THAT WELL, IT GOES THE WHOLE THING. OKAY. WELL, REALLY HONEST. WELL THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION CUZ I, I HAD 'EM DO IT AT THE INTERSECTION, RIGHT, BECAUSE I OUT THERE AT O OAK FOUR AND THAT'S AT THAT INTERSECTION, O OAK FOUR, SO IT'S THE WHOLE THING. SO YEAH, THEY WOULD BE TRAVELING, BUT SOME FOLKS WOULD DISPERSE AND GO UP AND NOT ON O OAK, SO. RIGHT. GOOD QUESTION. UM, SO WHERE WE ARE, UM, WE, WE NEED TO, UH, KEEP, KEEP MOVING. UM, I KNOW IT'S, IT'S, WE'VE BEEN LINGERING A LONG TIME HERE. UM, I HAVE, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE DISCUSSED IT AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CHANGES WITH VDOT, ESPECIALLY IN THE LOCAL, UM, AREA ADMINISTRATION. UM, SINCE 2020. UM, MICHAEL ACTUALLY, UM, HE APPLIED AND RECEIVED, UH, A FREE RIDE TO THEIR, THEIR TRAINING HERE, UH, WHAT ABOUT A MONTH AGO? MM-HMM. . UM, SO HE ATTENDED THE CONFERENCE. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE COMMISSIONER MENTIONED WAS, UM, HE DIDN'T WANT THE, YOU KNOW, COVID OR DELAYED FUNDING THAT'S BEEN PUSHED BACK UP TO HINDER PROJECTS, UM, AT [03:00:01] THIS MEETING. AND, AND YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD SOME OF THAT, WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT TODAY. UM, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE WHAT'S CALLED A DASHBOARD AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN IN ON THEIR DASHBOARD ON PROJECTS, UM, BUT THEY, THEY LIKE 'EM TO STAY ON GREEN AND NOT TURN RED AND THAT'S WHEN YOU HAVE DELAYS. UM, IT'S A VERY THOROUGH SCHEDULE. UM, AND YOU KNOW, IT'S WELL WITH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE CHANGES, MAJOR CHANGES WE'VE HAD IN THIS PROJECT, IT'S BEEN REALLY HARD TO, UM, COME UP WITH A SCHEDULE, EVEN GET TO A PLAN IN JULY. I GUESS WE HAD OUR, WHAT, FIFTH ROUND OF COMMENTS IN JULY. UM, WE ACTUALLY DID GET SHOP DRAWINGS AND WE'RE GONNA GET TO THAT. THEY'RE NOT COMPLETE YET. WE HAVE A FEW MINOR STRUCTURAL CHANGES THERE. UM, BUT IT'S BEEN LIKE HOLLYWOOD SQUARES WITH VDOT AT TIMES AS WE STARTED THIS PROCESS WITH A NUMBER OF ENGINEERS. UM, BUT JUST TO REFRESH, AND IT'S HARD TO SEE, THIS IS JUST KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER OF ROADS, AND I CAN SEND YOU THIS BY EMAIL IF YOU'D LIKE THIS PRESENTATION, UM, TO LOOK AT. BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S 97 ROADS IN THE FARMS, UM, ALMOST 46 MILES. AND OF THAT VDOT MAINTAIN THAT'S 6.12 MILES OF ROAD. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, IT'S, IT'S NOT A GRAND GRANDIOSE NUMBER THERE. UM, SO, AND THIS JUST GIVES YOU AN IDEA, YOU KNOW, OF THE NETWORK, YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW IT'S HARD TO READ, BUT YOU KNOW, THE FARMS IS A BIG AREA. IT'S A MAJOR NETWORK. I KNOW THERE'S SOME CONFUSION IN MEETING WITH MR. MA AND A CONSTITUENT AS WE USE THE WORDS PRIMARY, SECONDARY, WHETHER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT VDOT OR WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FARMS INTERNALLY. AND YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PRIMARY AND SECONDARY, MOST OF OUR ROADS THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH ARE SECONDARY ROADS AND VDOT. BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ACCESS IN THE FARMS AND TALKING ABOUT PRIMARY ACCESS, WE'RE TYPICALLY TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AS THEY DESIGNED THIS, THEY WERE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THE PRIMARY ROUTES USED THROUGH THAT COMMUNITY. SO I, I WANT TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THERE'S NO CONFUSION. I KNOW THERE HAS BEEN SOME OUT THERE OLD OAK, JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE PICTURE, WE USED THIS BEFORE NUMBER FOUR AS 0.44 MILES, SO LIKE 5.58 MILES AND YOU CAN SEE THE LITTLE, IF YOU CAN SEE THAT FAR, THAT LITTLE RED FIRE TRUCK IS THE, THE CURRENT FIRE STATION. SO MRS. OATS WAS REFERRING TO COMING OFF, UM, AT VILLE ROAD AND COMING TO OLD OAK. WE, WE DID SEND OFF THIS MONTH, I GUESS IT WAS MID-MONTH IN OCTOBER, WE WERE ABLE TO GET THE DRAWINGS FOR THE BOX CULVERTS. WE WERE ABLE TO SEND THOSE OFF TO GET A ACTUAL ESTIMATE AND WE WERE VERY, VERY CLOSE. UM, I THINK WITH THE, UH, THE CHANGE, UM, WE REALLY WERE WITHIN $20,000, UM, WHEN WE CAME TO YOU PRIOR TO SENDING IT ALL FOR A NEW ESTIMATE WITH THE BOX CULVERTS. UM, AND THE BOX CULVERTS THEMSELVES FOR OLD OAK ARE OVER $700,000 JUST FOR THE SPECIAL DESIGN CULVERTS. SO THAT IS WHERE OUR MAJOR INCREASE CAME. UM, AND THIS, THIS FUNDING, THIS IS, WE DISCUSSED THIS WITH MR. MERRILL WAS HERE WHEN HE CAME IN, ALSO JUST ASKING ABOUT ADDITIONAL FUNDING, UM, WITH OLD OAK AND THERE'S SO MANY NUMBERS I, EACH TIME I COME THROUGH IT, I KNOW IT'S HARD TO GET EVERYTHING OUT THERE BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT PIECES. BUT THE INITIAL PROJECT, THE PROOF FUNDING FROM V VDOT WAS 9 98, 2 50 FOR OLD OAK FOUR. AND IN OUR ESTIMATE WAS ALMOST, GOD BLESS YOU, WAS, UH, NEAR 1,000,006. SO WE HAD A MAJOR CHANGE AS WE TALKED ABOUT THE CHANGES VDOT S DID, THEY DIDN'T USED TO HAVE A DIVISION. THEY HAVE SOME FOLKS DEDICATED TO THESE LOCAL PROJECTS. NOW, IT USED TO BE UNTIL 2020 I GUESS IS WHEN IT KIND OF ESTABLISHED, UM, YOU KNOW, YOUR LOCAL GUY, YOUR ED CARTER AND AT THAT TIME THE W COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR WOULD REVIEW THE PROJECTS AND IT WAS A SIMPLE LAND AND THAT'S KIND OF CHANGED. UM, IT'S A WHOLE LOT MORE REVIEW, A WHOLE LOT MORE NECESSITY NOW, CULVERT, OLD OAK FIVE. UM, AGAIN, THIS IS AN ESTIMATE. UM, OUR INITIAL APPROVAL WAS 1,000,077 AND WE'RE LOOKING AT 1,000,008 PLUS. AND THEN THIS IS VERY PRELIMINARY CUZ WE HAVEN'T EVEN GOTTEN INTO DESIGN ON FIVE AT THIS POINT. AND ONE YES SIR. IS IT BECAUSE OF THE, THE INFLATION THAT WE'VE BEEN EXPERIENCING THAT IT GOES FROM UH, 1,700,000 TO 1,800,000? OR IS IT BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY'VE DETERMINED THAT THERE IS SOME DESIGN? YES. WELL, I MEAN WE'VE, I MEAN SINCE THIS WAS APPROVED, THE, THE BOARD RESOLUTION WAS DONE IN 2017. [03:05:01] SO YES, YOU HAVE HAD SOME INFLATION AND I WOULD, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I THINK ED USED A GOOD FIGURE OF 20% WHEN WE FIRST STARTED DISCUSSIONS, PROBABLY MID-SUMMER, UM, OR PROBABLY BEFORE THAT, UM, 20%. BUT THE PROCESS WITH VDOT CHANGED AS SUCH. I THINK THAT WHEN THIS WAS ORIGINALLY PROCESSED, THEY WERE GONNA USE UH, A TYPICAL SECTION BOX CALL FOR NOT SPECIAL DESIGNED BY ENGINEERS. AND IN THE PAST THIS DIDN'T HAVE TO GO TO, UM, BEYOND THE LOCAL SUPERINTENDENT IN OUR AREA. AND NOW IT'S GOING ON DOWN THE LINE TO THE BRIDGE SPECIALIST. AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE RUNNING THROUGH IT'S, AND IT'S SOME MAJOR HYDROLOGY HERE AND, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS, BUT THEIR PROCESS CHANGE AND JUST, AND JUST A SPECIAL DESIGN CULVERTS FOR, FOR AS YOU AND, AND THAT COULD CHANGE. I MEAN IF WE PUSH THE PROJECT AGAIN, UM, YOU KNOW, OVER $700,000 RIGHT NOW, THEN THAT'S ONLY GOOD FOR WHAT, 10 DAYS. 10 DAYS THAT COST, YOU KNOW? AND THAT WE, THAT'S ALREADY OVER TOO, ISN'T IT? WHAT'S THAT? I MEAN, YOU GOT THOSE NUMBERS WHEN NO, THAT 10 DAYS IS BRAND NEW. WE JUST GOT THAT FRIDAY. I MEAN CUZ WE, WE TALKED LAST WEEK AND RIGHT, YEAH. LAST WEEK WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT. WE WERE WAITING ON THAT. YEP. THAT ESTIMATE, UM, FROM CPP AND WE WOULD SEND IT OUT TO ANOTHER COMPANY, YOU KNOW, UM, HOPEFULLY WE WOULD GET THREE. YEAH. UM, BUT WHEN WE STARTED TALKING TO YOU, THAT COMPANY HAS CHANGED OWNERSHIP IN WINCHESTER AND AT THAT POINT THEY WERE WHAT, 600 WAS THEIR ESTIMATE. SO, YOU KNOW, THE INCREASE WITH A SET OF DRAWINGS, I, AND SOME OF THAT I'M SURE IS INFLATION AS WELL. AND WE ALSO, IN AUGUST WE TALKED ABOUT THE OTHER PROJECTS, YOUNG'S DRIVE, WE HAVEN'T EVEN STARTED THAT ONE. UM, PRE COVID IT WAS 4 85, IT'S V OUT APPROVED. AND WHEN I CAME TO YOU, WE MENTIONED LAKE DRIVE TO AT POPLAR AND WESTERN LANE, AND THOSE WERE PROJECTS IN THE FARMS THAT WERE PUSHED BACK DUE TO COVID. UM, AND, AND NOW THE STATE HAS PUSHED THE FUNDING BACK UP AND IMPROVE THOSE PROJECTS. SO, AND SAYING ALL OF THAT, ALSO WANT TO MENTION INTERNALLY, UM, MR. MAY MENTIONED WE HAD A MEETING AND IT WENT PRETTY GOOD THE LAST MEETING. UM, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET THE NEW ADVISORY BOARD TO COME TOGETHER ON, UH, IN, UH, A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. UM, WE HAVEN'T GOT THERE YET. ONE OF THE THINGS WE DISCUSSED WAS, UM, INTERNAL ROADS. UM, AND, AND THE PREVIOUS BOARD MENTIONED DOING SOME CHIP SEAL AND THIS IS NON VDO, BUT YOU KNOW, THE DOLLARS I WANT, YOU KNOW, I WANT ALL THE DOLLARS OUT THERE AS WE COME TO THE END. UM, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD DO THIS INTERNALLY USING OUR CURRENT CONTRACTS. UM, 1.4 MILES ON DRUM OR HILL WOULD BE JUST OVER 375,000. ALMOST 3 76 IN VENUS BRANCH TWO 19. SO, SO WHERE YOU'VE GOT THE, THE VDOT APPROVED. YES, SIR. IS THAT PART OF THAT 6.1 MILES OF ROADS? THE 6.1 I'M GONNA SHOW YOU. LET ME GO TO MY LAST SLIDE RIGHT HERE. AND SO REVENUE SHARING THE 6.1 MILE OF ROADS, I'M NOT SURE WHICH ONE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. YOU, YOU SAID THAT THERE WAS OH NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THOSE WERE ROADS THAT WERE ALREADY COMPLETED OVER THE YEARS SINCE WE HAVE DONE REVENUE SHARING IN SHEDA FARMS, THAT'S THE TOTAL MILEAGE THAT HAS BEEN COMPLETED. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I THOUGHT THAT YOU JUST SPENT THAT, UH, ONLY ONLY FOCUSED ON SIX, SIX MILES OF THOSE. I CAN I UNDERSTAND NOW, RIGHT? GOT, YEAH, YOU CAN HAVE IT. YEP. YEAH, SO GOOD QUESTION. AND I'M TRYING TO, EACH TIME I COME IN, I'M TRYING TO SHED A LITTLE BIT OF LIGHT CUZ I, THERE'S SO MANY, WE'VE HAD SO MUCH CHANGE AND IT'S KIND OF BEEN A, YOU KNOW, UP AND DOWN AND, AND, AND CHANGE WITH THE PROJECT. BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE, I, I HAVE PRESSURE ON THE VDOT SIDE, YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY WANT THEIR AGREEMENT SIGNED ON THE ONES THAT, YOU KNOW, LAKE DRIVE TO IT, POP WESTERN LANE, THEY'RE APPROVED, THE FUNDING IS THERE. YOU KNOW, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR NEEDS TO SUBMIT AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE GONNA COMPLETE THESE PROJECTS. I KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS ON OLD OAK. UM, SO RECENTLY, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A MEETING, MICHAEL AND I, WITH THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATION JUST TO KIND OF REVIEW ALL OF THE REVENUE SHARING PROJECTS THAT HAVE COME UP AND HAVE MOVED UP IN FUNDING. THEY WERE PREVIOUSLY APPLIED FOR AND APPROVED. UM, AND I HAVE TWO THAT ARE OUTSIDE THE FARMS, BUT JUST LOOKING AT 'EM, YOU KNOW, OKAY, WHAT CAN WE DO TO MAKE THIS EASIER? WE'LL COME, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT 'EM, EVALUATING 'EM AGAIN, YOU KNOW, AND OFFER OUR SUGGESTION. UM, OLD OAK FOUR, WE'RE READY TO GO. UM, BUT WE KNOW IT'S, THERE'S [03:10:01] A LOT MORE MONEY THAN IT WAS INITIALLY ANTICIPATED. SO, YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDATION THAT I WOULD HAVE WOULD BE TO REAPPLY FOR MORE FUNDING. MM-HMM. . BUT YOU KNOW, IF WE DO THAT, YOU HAVE TO REALIZE THERE IS ANOTHER CHANCE, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE COULD BE SOME ADDITIONAL COST OR CHANGES. UM, BUT WE WON'T BE ABLE TO DO ANY CONSTRUCTION UNTIL 2024 AT THE EARLIEST. SO, AND THAT'S, THAT'S ACTUALLY OVERLOOK FOUR AND FIVE. RIGHT? I WOULD, I WOULD RECOMMEND REAPPLYING FOR FUNDING FOR BOTH. IF, IF YOU WANT US TO CONTINUE WITH FOUR, UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, AND I, AND I JUST SHOWED IN, IN THIS IN ED'S HANDING OUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THIS SLIDE I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THE INITIAL COST, JUST IT, IS IT VDOT FUNDED? YES. AND THEN A CURRENT ESTIMATE, AND AGAIN, OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, I I BASICALLY LIKE A 20% ESTIMATED INCREASE. THE, THE ROADS OUTSIDE OF, UM, OLD OAK FOUR AND FIVE ARE NOT GONNA BE MA BIG MONSTERS WITH, WITH ALL THE HYDROLOGY. UM, LAKE DRIVE IS ONE THAT, YOU KNOW, I FEEL THAT WE, WE SHOULD DO THAT. IT'S GONNA SAVE THE WHOLE COMMUNITY MONEY AND MAINTENANCE DOLLARS. UM, PART OF THEIR INTERNAL PROJECT LIST WAS FOR THE COUNTY TO DO A PORTION OR INTERNALLY, UM, WITH OUR, OUR GUYS THAT WOULDN'T BE ELIGIBLE FOR VDOT. AND WE'VE ALREADY DONE OUR PORTION, UM, WE'VE ACTUALLY DONE AT THE VDOT WHERE IT MEETS VDOT MAINTENANCE, SO IT'S READY TO GO. UM, YOU KNOW, THE CURRENT ADVISORY BOARD AS YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WAS NOT HAPPY WITH THIS PROCESS AND WANTED TO KILL IT. SO IT'S KIND OF BEEN THIS LITTLE TUG OF WAR, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION AND WE NEED A, WE NEED TO KNOW, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH OUR SCHEDULE. WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO HAVE SOME HELP FROM THE BOARD. UM, WE NEED TO COME TOGETHER WITH ADVISORY BOARD. WE'LL MAKE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ON EACH ROAD. UM, THE ONLY ONE THAT WE THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, TOOL AT POPLAR WE DIDN'T REALLY THINK WAS A NECESSARY ROAD BASED ON THE 0.1 MILE, 0.19 MILES AND WHERE IT WAS AT. UM, THAT'S SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DO. IT'S ALREADY APPROVED, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T REALLY FEEL IT WAS VITAL LAKE DRIVE. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A HEAVILY TRAVELED ROAD. UM, AND, AND IT'S A NIGHTMARE FOR MAINTENANCE. YOU KNOW, YOUNG'S DRIVE, IT WAS PLANNED IN, YOU KNOW, UM, IT, IT'S ALREADY HAD A PHASE DONE. PHASE TWO, UM, WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IN THE FLATLANDS. IT'S AT THE BACKSIDE OF WHAT WILL BE THE NEW FIRE DEPARTMENT IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THE FUNDING FROM VDOT IS AVAILABLE. WE DO HAVE ADMINISTRATIVE PAPERWORK TO MOVE FORWARD WITH. WE NEED TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS AND IT'D BE NICE TO SAY, WELL, HEY, LET'S, LET'S GO WITH THIS PLAN. AND INTERNALLY, UM, AS WE MEET, WE HAVE A MEETING THIS WEEK WITH THE ADVISORY BOARD, YOU KNOW, AND YOU KNOW, AND, AND THEY, YOU KNOW, IN OUR LAST MEETING AND DISCUSSION, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY WANT TO SEE BLACK STUFF ON THE ROAD. UM, AND I DON'T KNOW, I'M SURE MANY OF YOU'RE PROBABLY AWARE, UH, MR. BOYLE IS LEAVING THE BOARD THIS WEEK WILL BE HIS LAST MEETING, UM, NOVEMBER 3RD. SO HE'S TOLD US HE'S NO LONGER GONNA BE ON THE BOARD. UM, BUT HE WANTS TO SEE SOME CHIPS SEAL DONE. HE'D BE HAPPY IF WE COULD DO IT TOMORROW. BUT YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT THE WEATHER'S SUCH THAT WE REALLY DON'T WANT TO THROW, YOU KNOW, ASPHALT ON THE GROUND, YOU KNOW, UNLESS WE KNEW IT WAS GONNA STAY NICE FOR A MONTH'S TIME. SO WHAT, UM, INTERNALLY, AND, AND I WANTED YOU TO SEE THE DOLLARS TOO, IF YOU DECIDED YOU WANTED, CUZ I, I, IF I WAS A RESIDENT, I WANNA SEE SOMETHING HAPPEN AS WELL. SO, YOU KNOW, SPRINGTIME, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LIKE TO PURSUE CONSTRUCTION AND AT LEAST TRY TO PUT THE 1.72 MILES INTERNALLY. UM, YOU KNOW, LET'S, LET'S GO OUT HERE AND PUT SOMETHING DOWN ON THE ROAD. HOW CAN, HOW CAN WE GUARANTEE THAT THESE PRICES ARE GONNA BE THE SAME IN, IN SPRINGTIME? THE PROJECTS WILL BE THE SAME. YEAH, THE CROSS WILL BE THE SAME. WELL, I MEAN, I CAN'T GUARANTEE YOU THAT NOTHING WILL CHANGE. UM, PHASE FOUR, OUR OLD OAK FOUR AND FIVE, THOSE ARE THE BIG ONES. YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY COULD CHANGE SOMEWHAT ON WHAT? YOU HAVE A PLAN, I MEAN THE PLAN, WELL THE EXPECTATION IS THAT WE'RE GONNA REAPPLY. I MEAN IF, IF I WAS LOOKING AT THE WAY THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO THIS YEAH. AND BEING INV INVOLVED AS WE HAVE BEEN OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS, REAPPLY IS PROBABLY THE BEST SOLUTION FOR US. SO THAT WE KNOW IS GONNA CHANGE, BUT WE'RE GONNA REAPPLY. THERE'S GONNA BE MONEY COMING. THE REST OF THEM, WE'RE GONNA BE DOING THEM IN SPRINGTIME AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE NOT GONNA GET OUT OF HAND AS WELL. RIGHT. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO [03:15:01] MAKE IT CLOSER? CAN WE, CAN WE PUT SOME BLACK TOP DOWN SOMEPLACE? CAN WE DO ANYTHING TO GUARANTEE THESE PRICES? WELL, YOU, YOU WANT TO GUARANTEE THE PRICES THAT I HAVE HERE. THE ESTIMATES? YEAH. NO, I CAN'T GUARANTEE YOU THAT FROM GET A CONTRACT WRITTEN. YEAH. I MEAN, I, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYONE'S GONNA GUARANTEE ME WITH THE PRICE OF DIESEL SIX MONTHS FROM NOW, WALT. I MEAN, I, I MEAN, YOU CAN BE CLOSE. I MEAN, LIKE OLD OAK FOUR, I, I MEAN WE'RE SIGNIFICANT. WE'RE NOT DOING OLD. RIGHT. BUT I MEAN, ON YOUR GRADING PLAN, RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU'RE GRADING, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE CONTRACTOR, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S, HE'S ON FIRM FIXED PRICING AND HE'S GONNA COME IN AND HE'S GOING TO SAY, OKAY, I'M GONNA GRADE FROM HERE TO HERE AND THIS IS THE QUANTITY OF STONE. AND WE HAVE THOSE QUANTITIES. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF, AND WE PLAN TO BUY THE AGGREGATE, YOU KNOW, IF MY CONTRACT THAT MS. SCOTT HAS PROCURED IS STILL IN EFFECT, AND WE USE THOSE QUANTITIES, THAT STONE'S THE SAME. IF OUR CONTRACT, IT RATES ARE STILL THE SAME AT THAT POINT, THEN OUR CONTRACT'S TIME IS STILL THE SAME. SO NOW IF I HAVE NOT PURCHASED, IF IT NEEDS THREE PIPE AND THEY GO UP 50% AND I HAVEN'T PURCHASED THEM YET, THEN THEY COULD CHANGE WHAT'S GOING TO, IF WE AGREE TO THIS, WHAT'S GONNA KEEP YOU FROM PURCHASING THE PIPE? WHAT'S GONNA KEEP YOU FROM PURCHASING THE AGGREGATE? WHAT'S GONNA KEEP YOU FROM STABILIZING THAT, SOME OF THESE PRICES. SO WHEN YOU CAN DO 'EM, YOU'VE GOT THE, YOU'VE GOT THE MATERIAL TO DO IT. AND OUR, OUR PRICE IS A LITTLE MORE STABILIZED. ALL I'M TRYING TO DO IS, YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE MORE STABILIZED IF WE, IF WE MOVE AND, AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS A ESTIMATE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND A BEST GUESS WITH INFLATION, YOU KNOW, AND I, BUT I THINK IT'S REASONABLE. AS, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE, WE WERE PRETTY CLOSE IN AUGUST BASED ON THE PRICE WE HAD. IF THIS BOARD SAYS LET'S DO THIS AND WE AUTHORIZE, UM, OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND SIGN THE AGREEMENT, CAN WE STABILIZE THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE? ALL I'M TRYING TO DO IS DO THE BEST JOB THAT WE CAN FOR RIGHT NOW. MM-HMM. KNOWING, I MEAN, I WAS HOPING IT WOULD GET SOME BLACK TOP DOWN THIS YEAR. RIGHT. THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT, MAKE THAT HAPPEN. BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ARE, WHAT I SHOULDN'T SAY I, WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE RIGHT, FOR THAT COMMUNITY IS TO GET SOME BLACK TOP DOWN AGREEMENTS IN SPRING TIME. WELL, AND THE ONES THAT WERE PUSHED OFF ON THE REVENUE SHARING SIDE, WE COULDN'T DO UNTIL, WE CAN'T DO, UNTIL AGREEMENTS ARE SIGNED FOUR AND FIVE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A BIG DISCUSSION AND YOU KNOW, WE WERE DEBATING ON WHETHER WE WERE IN OR OUT. WE WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO LAY ANYTHING THERE UNTIL WE COME OUT OF IT. AND THEN OUR BOARD CHANGED INTERNALLY, YOU KNOW, HAD DIFFERENT IMPRESSIONS OF WHAT WAS GOING ON. AND I THINK THE ADVISORY BOARD STILL HAS ISSUE. UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO JUGGLE AND, AND IT'S BEEN KIND OF TOUGH TO BE HONEST. THAT'S WHY I SAY WE REALLY NEED, WE REALLY NEED THE DIRECTION. I THINK IF YOU'RE GOOD WITH THE, WE SIGNED, WE CAN START MOVING. WE COULD ORDER SOME MATERIALS IF, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY SAYS YES. UM, THERE'S STILL SOME MORE ENGINEERING AS I MENTIONED AS WE STARTED THIS, AS WE STARTED THIS PROCESS. YOU KNOW, AS WE START AT THE PROCESS, I'VE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSION TODAY, V THAT CHANGING, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE GONNA BE SOME MORE ENGINEERING REQUIRED ON EACH ONE OF THESE ROADS THAT WASN'T REQUIRED IN THE PAST. I'M GONNA HAVE TO SHOW THEM, UH, TYPICAL PAYMENTS SECTIONS AND BEYOND A STRAIGHT LINE DRAWING. SO WE'LL HAVE TO DO A LITTLE MORE EVALUATION. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE WILL BE, YOU KNOW, A FEW STEPS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN MOVE QUICKLY, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE, YOU KNOW, FILE A PROCESS AND WE DON'T MOVE TOO QUICKLY. WELL, WE'VE, WE'VE WORKED HARD TO GET, GO AHEAD, SIR. JUST A SUGGESTION, SIR. THESE PROJECTS ARE GONNA HAVE TO BE BID THROUGH THE VDOT PROCESS. SO LIKE WE CAN'T GO OUT AND BUY MATERIALS OR ANYTHING FOR THAT. THESE PROJECTS WERE GOING TO ADMINISTER LOCALLY AND THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH JUST OUR PROJECTS. SO THOSE, WE CAN LOOK AT THINGS WE COULD DO. YOU'LL PROBABLY SEE IF YOU DROP REAPPLY FOR THE FIRST TWO AND DROP TOOL AT POPLAR, YOU'LL PROBABLY SEE ANOTHER UH, HUNDRED, $150,000 INCREASE BY THE TIME YOU SIGN CONTRACTS BECAUSE YOU'LL HAVE THE RE-ENGINEERING AND HAVE IT OUT THERE AND YADA YADA YDI [03:20:01] AT THAT 150 IS A WHOLE LOT LESS THAN THIS 1.3 UP HERE. CORRECT. AND SO YOU CAN DECIDE TO MOVE THESE FORWARD AND GET THEM DONE ON THE CHEAP SIDE. AND 150,000 IS IMPORTANT, BUT IT'S A WHOLE LOT LESS THAN THAT. AND THESE, WE CAN REAPPLY AND PICK UP HALF THE MONEY SO WE GET ANOTHER 600,000, 700,000 FROM BOCK. WELL, I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THE CONSTITUENTS YEAH. THAT ARE IN SHANDO FARMS THAT HAVE PUT MONEY IN AND THEN THEY HAVEN'T GOT A NICKEL OUT OF IT YET. MM-HMM. AND ME PERSONALLY, AND I, I'M ONLY ONE FOR THIS BOARD, BUT I'M READY TO DO THIS. AND WHEN CAN WE PUT IT ON THE AGENDA TO ACTUALLY MAKE THIS START HAPPENING? IF THE, IF THE BOARD LIKES THE PROPOSAL HERE, IT'LL BE ON NOVEMBER 16TH. WELL, I SUPPORT MR. MAY, WE NEED TO GET THIS ON THE AGENDA TO MAKE A DECISION. I SUPPORT MR. BABE ALSO, WE HAVE OUR, WOULD YOU PLEASE HAVE IT ON THE AGENDA, PLEASE? YES, SIR. CAN I ASK WHAT WE'RE PUTTING ON THE AGENDA ? SO THE ENTIRETY OF IT, OR PIECES OF IT, OR WHAT ARE WE PUTTING ON THERE? THE MOTION WILL BE NUMBER ONE, TO NOT ACCEPT OLD OAK FOUR AND OLD OAK FIVE WITH THE PROVISION THAT WE REAPPLY NEXT SPRING. AND NUMBER TWO TO AUTHORIZE, UH, THE SIGNING OF THE AGREEMENTS FOR YOUNG'S DRIVE, FOR, UH, LAKE DRIVE AND FOR WESTERN DRIVE. AND THEN THE THIRD MOTION WILL BE THAT YOU, WE BEGIN WORK TO PREPARE FOR A SPRING BID LETTING FOR CONSTRUCTION OF, OH, THIS IN 2023. WHAT, WHAT IS THAT GONNA DO TO THE 25% THAT THE COUNTY PUTS IN? WHAT IS DOES THAT, SO THAT'S OVER HERE. MM-HMM. , UH, MR. ROBERTSON KEEPS THAT IN ITS OWN PILE BACK THERE. NO, I KNOW THAT, BUT IT, SO IS IT, DO WE HAVE A CAP ON WHAT WE, I KNOW IT'S USUALLY 25%, BUT USUALLY IT'S TWO 50. YEAH. UNLESS YOU APPROVE. OTHERWISE WE APPROVE, UNLESS THE BOARD DECIDES TO PUT MORE MONEY IN THERE, THERE'S NO MORE MONEY IN IT. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WAS, THIS WILL BE ALL SHENANDOAH FARMS DOWN HERE. THESE, THE INCREASES UP TO 25%, WHICH IS WHAT THE COUNTY WILL, WILL PUT INTO THE PROJECT. THE COUNTY WOULD PUT 25%. AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS NUMBER AND THAT NUMBER WITH OUR 25% WILL THEN BE SHEOL FARMS FUND FUNDING ALSO FROM THEIR EXISTING FUNDS THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE. WE HAVE THIS MONEY IN RESERVE FOR SHEOL FARMS. NO, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT. I JUST, YOU KNOW, WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE, AND I KNOW YOU CAN'T DO THAT UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT V DOT'S GONNA CHIP IN AND WE DIVIDE IT ALL OUT. BUT, UM, THAT'S WHAT, THAT WILL BE PRIORITY. I MEAN, ACCORDING TO MY ENGINEER I SPEAK WITH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S IN CHARGE OF THE PROGRAM. UM, MS. CAMERON. SO WE WOULD GET A PRIORITY ONE ON OUR REAPPLICATIONS FOR OLD OAK FOUR AND O OAK FIVE, THE COUNTY'S ALREADY SIGNED ON THE DOTTED LINE FOR THOSE. I MEAN, WE'RE ANN YOUNG'S ACTUALLY, SO THOSE ARE ALREADY APPROVED. UM, BUT WE WOULD, IT WOULD BE A PRE-APPLICATION VERY SIMILAR TO THE SMART SCALE, WHICH YOU'VE BEEN A PART OF. UM, IT WOULD BE MID-MAY 23 IS WHEN YOUR PRE APP WOULD BE DUE. AND THEN, UM, IT WOULD BE OCTOBER 23, YOUR FULL APPLICATION WOULD BE DUE FOR THOSE TOO. AND, AND WE WOULD HAVE TO AND, AND, AND WE ALSO DISCUSSED, UM, I KNOW I THINK MS. LOGAN MENTIONED US REVIEWING, UH, ENGINEERING PROPOSALS, BUT WE HAD ALSO DISCUSSED, YOU KNOW, GETTING, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF HELP ON THE FRONT END WITH THE ESTIMATE, UM, PARTICULARLY FOR FOR FIVE. UM, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD, YOU KNOW, HAVE A BETTER, A MORE ACCURATE, A MORE ACCURATE NUMBER FOR OUR REAPPLICATION. UM, YOU KNOW, I, YOU KNOW, I FEEL WE'RE CLOSE, BUT YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE NEED TO DO A FEW, YOU KNOW, I THINK A FEW MORE STEPS WILL BE HELPFUL AND AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD BE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, 50% OF THE, FROM VDO, THE $600,000 OVERRUN, UM, YOU KNOW, UNLESS IT WAS SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, LIKE RIGHT AWAY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SOMETHING THEY DIDN'T PAY. I, YOU KNOW, I I, I TOO WANT TO GET [03:25:01] THIS OFF OUR PLATE. ABSOLUTELY. BUT I, I'M RELUCTANT TO COMMIT WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT THE DOLLAR AMOUNT I'M COMMITTING. WELL, THAT'S THE HARD PART. WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL YEAH. RIGHT. IT'S DONE. WELL, I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE THE BIGGEST POINT. WELL, AND THAT'S THE REASON WE TRIED TO GET, YOU KNOW, HERE, HERE, AND I CAN, WE CAN SEND YOU THAT ESTIMATE RIGHT NOW. 10 DAYS. GOOD. WE COULD ORDER FROM CPP MM-HMM. 710,000, WHATEVER ODD NUMBER IT WAS THERE, THAT WOULD BE RIGHT THERE. AND IT'D BE DONE WHEN WE COULD PUT 'EM IN. BUT YOU KNOW, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND WE DID ASK, YOU KNOW, OUR CONTRACTOR, OKAY, WHAT WOULD, HOW HAS THE CRANE WENT UP? AND WE HAVEN'T GOT ALL THOSE NUMBERS. SO THERE WILL BE SOME SLIGHT ADJUSTMENTS AS YOU MOVE ON. UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE SEND IT OUT TO, YOU KNOW, TO BED, I MEAN WE CAN'T REALLY SEND IT OUT TO BED AT THIS POINT. WE DON'T HAVE A FULL SET OF PLANS. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, IN PHASE FIVE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS WITH VDOT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, AND THAT COULD CHANGE. AND THAT'S THE REASON THAT I WOULD LIKE TO GET SOMEONE TO GET INVOLVED WITH US, UM, AS WE READ BLAH. WELL THIS IS WHY WE HAVE A CONTINGENCY, RIGHT? SO, AND I DON'T RECALL WHAT THE NUMBERS WERE FOR THESE PROJECTS, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THAT. AND WE DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT YOU WILL NECESSARILY WANT TO COMMIT ANY ADDITIONAL COUNTY GENERAL DOLLARS CAUSE YOU'VE GOT THE MONEY IN THE REVENUE SHARING AND FOR THE PRESENT TIME. THE BOARD HAS SAID THEY'RE NOT COMMITTING TO ANY ADDITIONAL REVENUE SHARING PROJECTS WITH GENERAL DOLLARS. SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS GONNA BE MAKING MORE EFFECTIVE USE OF SHANNON DO FARMS SANITARY DISTRICT DOLLARS, THE LEVERAGE THAT NEEDED TO BE. RIGHT. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT? I DID HAVE, WELL WE DID QUESTIONS, BUT THERE WERE TWO OTHER, TWO OTHER PROJECTS THAT WERE BUMPED UP. BLUE VALLEY WAS, IS NOT FULLY FUNDED. THEY HAD SPACE THAT OVER TWO YEARS PARTIALLY FUNDED. UM, WE RECOMMEND A DROPPING THAT PROJECT THAT'S IN LINDEN HEIGHTS ACTUALLY. UM, AND I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET AHOLD OF ANYONE. THEY'VE HAD SOME MAJOR CHANGE IN THEIR HOMEOWNERS GROUP, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE SOME TAR CHIP AS YOU GO BEYOND WHAT WOULD BE VDO MAINTAIN AND IT NEEDS SOME TLC, I THINK THAT WOULD BE BETTER SPENT, UH, MONEY IF THEY WOULD ACTUALLY TAKE CARE OF WHAT'S ALREADY THERE. UM, AND WE AGREE WITH THAT. UM, AND I, UM, I WOULD RECOMMEND DROPPING A PROJECT. UM, AND THEN OVER ON GROVE FARM ROAD, I ACTUALLY SPOKE TO MR. SMITH ABOUT IT THIS MORNING. UM, YOU KNOW, THAT ONE'S OUT IN NORTH RIVER AND YOU KNOW, WE WANNA REVIEW THAT WITH VDOT. AND, AND WHEN THAT ONE WAS APPLIED FOR BY THE GROUP, IT WAS APPLIED FOR TO JUST BE, UM, BROUGHT UP TO STATE MAIN MAINTENANCE WITH OUR STATE STANDARD WITH THEIR ASPHALT. BUT THE PROCESS HAS CHANGED. THANK YOU AGAIN. AND I WANT TO RIDE THAT WITH VDOT AND GET A LOOK AT THAT. UM, I WOULD RECOMMEND PROCEED IF IT'S EASY AND, AND WE'RE IN BUDGET. UM, I WOULD RECOMMEND PROCEEDING WITH THAT ONE AS WELL. THAT WAS ACTUALLY THE, WHEN WE FIRST CAME ON THE BOARD. YEAH. YEP. I, I'M SURPRISED THAT HASN'T BEEN DONE. I, WELL, THE, THE AGREEMENT WAS THE FUNDING WAS PUT OFF FOR COVID AND, AND THEN NOW IT'S COME BACK. UM, SO THE AGREEMENT, UM, I'LL PROBABLY GET AN EMAIL BEFORE THE 16TH ASKING ME WHERE WE ARE WITH OUR AGREEMENTS, UM, ON THIS COMMITMENTS. SO, UM, THE DR. DALEY WILL HAVE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE BOARD APPROVE, HE'LL HAVE TO SIGN THE AGREEMENTS TO SAY YES, WE'RE COMMITTING TO MOVING FORWARD ON THE PROJECTS. WHO PUT IT OFF BECAUSE OF COVID? I I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WE HAD PUT IT. WELL, STATE FUND, NOT US. SO VIDA, SO THE FUNDING ON A LOT OF PROJECTS WAS THE DELAYED BECAUSE OF COVID. OKAY. STATE TOOK THE HOLIDAY AND THEY ALL WORKING FROM HOME. OKAY. YEAH. WELL, I, YEAH, I THOUGHT THAT WAS A DONE DEAL EXCEPT FOR GETTING IT DONE. NO. REMIND THE BOARD OF THE DANCES, OUR FAVORITE DANCES, UM, AND THE LOAN THAT THEY GO BML VACO TOLD US ABOUT, WE OWE FOR AND WE NEED TO HAVE THAT LAW. SO WE WILL HAVE ON THE AGENDA THE 16TH TO PAY OFF THAT LOAN WITH SANITARY DISTRICT FUNDING'S THERE TO, BUT WE NEED TO GET THAT OFF THE AGENDA AND WE RECEIVE [03:30:01] THE NOTICE AND IT'S TO, IT'S TWO DAYS AFTER THE MEETING. TWO DAYS. SO IT'S DUE THE 18TH. OKAY. SO WE'LL BE HOLDING CHECK IN HAND WHILE YOU'LL PROVE THIS, WE NEED TO GET THIS DONE. ONE LAST THING I DIDN'T MENTION, UM, WHEN I WAS SPEAKING WITH MS. CAMERON, SHE DID SAY IT WOULD PROBABLY BE GOOD IF WE MAKE ALL THE ACTION AT ONE TIME ON THE REVENUE SHARING. IT'D PROBABLY BE GOOD FOR OUR BOARD RESOLUTION TO SUPPORT, UM, DROPPING A ROAD OR, YOU KNOW, UM, CONTINUING TO GO ALONG WITH THE AGREE. SO, SO YOU'LL GET A RESOLUTION TOGETHER. UH, DR. DAILY DIDN'T, SIR, DID YOU GET ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THE INSURANCE FROM, UM, THE SANITARY DISTRICT OR NOT? EXCUSE ME. I HAVE ASKED P OSF, I HAVE ASKED THEM FOR A BREAKDOWN OF THE INSURANCE WE'VE AGREED TO. I'VE GOT THE CORRECT NUMBER THAT THEY'RE USING THAT YOU MENTIONED TO ME THE LAST WEEK. UH, I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANYTHING BACK AND WE'VE GOT, UH, ABOUT 60 DAYS FOR JANUARY ONE. THERE'S MORE THAN THAT. SO TURN THE MICROPHONE ON. SO THEY'RE, WE'VE ASKED THEM FOR THAT AND SEEN WHAT ELSE THEY HAVE ON THAT, UH, THEIR LIST OF WHAT THEIR FUNDING REQUEST WAS. I HAVEN'T SEEN A WHOLE LOT BUT IS NECESSARILY FOR US TO DO. BUT I WANT TO TALK WITH MR. BERRY AND MAKE SURE HOW HE DOES THE OTHER DISTRICTS. ANYTHING ELSE NOT THERE? A MOTION TO ADJOURN. SO MOVE SECOND. ALL THOSE AVAILABLE. AYE, THERE YOU GO. YES. THANK YOU ALL, ALL SORTS OF CO CANDY BAR. GOOD JOB EVERYONE. THANK YOU. YEAH, THANK YOU GUYS. APPRECIATE IT. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.