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GOOD EVENING EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, UM, PUBLIC HEARING MEETING, UH, DATED APRIL 25TH, 2023.
[Call to Order]
THIS MEETING TO ORDER AND IF EVERYONE WOULD PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEDGE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE, ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.[A. Adoption of Agenda – Additions or Deletions]
IS THAT ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA.DOES ANYBODY ON THE BOARD LIKE TO, UM, MAKE ANY REVISIONS TO THE AGENDA AS PRESENTED? NOPE.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT? THANK YOU.
SO BEFORE WE START THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, I JUST WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO DISCUSS THE MATTER THAT IS BEFORE THE BOARD FOR ACTION.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOT A DEBATE.
ALL COMMENTS WILL BE DIRECTED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND NOT TO THE AUDIENCE.
THE SPEAKERS SHALL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
PLEASE BE CONSIDERATE OF YOUR FELLOW SPEAKERS.
THERE WILL BE NO APPLAUSE, BOOING OR LOUD DISRUPTIONS TO THESE PROCEEDINGS, POSTERS AND OTHER MEANS OF VISUAL DISPLAY OF COMMENTS ARE NOT PERMITTED IN THE BOARDROOM.
THE BOARD WILL NOT TOLERATE PERSONAL ATTACKS BY ANYONE ON ANY OF THE PARTICIPANTS IN THESE PROCEEDINGS, AND ANYONE WHO VIOLATES THE GUIDELINES OF THE PUBLIC HEARING MAY BE ASKED TO LEAVE THE MEETING.
SO, WITH ALL THAT BEING SAID, WE'LL GO AHEAD
[B.1. Secondary Six-Year Plan through the Virginia Department of Transportation - Mike Berry, Public Works Director]
AND START OUR FIRST TOPIC, WHICH IS THE SECONDARY SIX YEAR PLAN THROUGH THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT TRANSPORTATION.UH, MR. BERRY, GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR AND BOARD MEMBERS.
UM, UH, IF YOU RECALL, WE HAVE A, UH, WORK SESSION MARCH 23RD TO REVIEW OUR, UM, SECONDARY PLAN AND OUR 24 CONSTRUCTION BUDGET.
AND, UM, WE'VE ADVERTISED THAT AND TONIGHT WE'RE GONNA HAVE OUR PUBLIC HEARING.
I'M GONNA LET VDOT COME UP AT THIS TIME AND JUST REVIEW WHAT, WHAT WE, UM, REVIEWED WITH YOU FOLKS BACK ON THE 23RD OF MARCH.
ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
UM, YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU THREE DOCUMENTS.
THERE ALL THREE SAY THE SAME THING, SAME THING.
UH, ONE IS FOR PRESENTATION UP HERE, WE'VE SIMPLIFIED IT THAT NOT BE QUITE SO CONFUSING FOR THE PUBLIC.
THE SECOND DOCUMENT THAT YOU HAVE IS THE DOCUMENT THAT WE WENT OVER WITH YOU IN THE BOARD IN THE WORK SESSION, WHICH THE BOARD WAS SATISFIED WITH AT THAT TIME.
AND THEN THE THIRD DOCUMENT IS ACTUALLY THE OFFICIAL DOCUMENT IN THE FORMAT IN WHICH WE NEEDED SIGNED ALONG WITH A RESOLUTION.
SO, UH, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO MATT BECAUSE MATT DID ALL THE WORK ON THIS THING.
YEAH, I TAKE ALL THE CREDIT, BUT HE DID ALL THE WORK ON IT.
YEAH, I ASSUME THIS WORKS, THE SLIDES.
SO YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE HERE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE WARREN COUNTY SECONDARY SIX YEAR IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
IT WOULD BE FOR FISCAL YEAR 2024 THROUGH FISCAL YEAR 2029.
UM, THIS FIRST SLIDE WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE WORK SESSION.
UM, THAT'S THE HAPPY CREEK ROAD PROJECT.
UH, IT WAS A MAJOR CONSTRUCTION PROJECT THAT'S COMPLETED.
IT IS STILL SHOWN ON THAT THIRD DOCUMENT BECAUSE IT HAS NOT OFFICIALLY BEEN CLOSED OUT.
UM, I DIDN'T INCLUDE IT IN THE WORK SESSION PACKAGE BECAUSE I WAS OPTIMISTIC AND HOPED MAYBE THAT IT WOULD COME OFF BEFORE, UH, TONIGHT'S MEETING, BUT IT IT HAS NOT.
SO, UM, AND THAT THAT'S COMPLETED AND ALL THE, THE MONEY THAT THERE'S NO FUR FUTURE MONEY ON THAT OR NO EXISTING MONEY THAT WILL COME BACK TO THE COUNTY FOR THAT.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO GO OVER THAT.
UM, THE NEXT SLIDE IS, UM, BASICALLY WHAT WE, WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE WORK SESSION, UM, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE FIRST PROJECT, ROCKY HOLLOW ROAD, UM, THAT PROJECT IS COMPLETED,
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BUT IT HASN'T BEEN FINALIZED AND COME OFF THE, THE OFFICIAL RECORD BOOKS YET.SO IT STILL SHOWS UP IN THAT THIRD PACKET AS A PROJECT, BUT IT, IT'S GETTING NO ADDITIONAL MONEY.
IT, UH, WE MADE THAT PROJECT WHOLE AND CLOSED IT OUT AND TRANSFERRED.
ACTUALLY WE HAD A, I THINK A SHORTFALL.
BUT IT, IT, WE HAVE THAT LIST AS NUMBER ONE BECAUSE IT IS IN THAT THIRD PACKET.
AND THEN THE OTHERS GO DOWN IN, AND I FEEL LIKE I'M VERY LOUD, BUT
THE, THE, THE TWO THAT WILL GET FUNDED, UM, JULY OF THIS YEAR, UM, ARE KENDRICK FORD AND PANHANDLE ROAD.
UH, WE'RE CALLING IT PHASE TWO, THOSE SECTIONS, UM, WE PLAN TO START THOSE, UH, AFTER JULY 1ST.
AND THEN, THEN THE NEXT PRIORITY THAT WAS ESTABLISHED WITH COUNTY STAFF WAS, UH, WILLIAM VINCENT, THEN RICHARDSON ROAD, THEN MEEK ROAD, AND THEN POINT ROAD.
AND THAT, THAT THOSE PROJECTS THEN DEPLETE ALL THE FUNDS THAT, UM, ARE AVAILABLE IN THE, THE SIX YEAR PLAN FUNDING.
AND THAT, THAT'S BASICALLY ALL I HAVE.
UM, WE'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE BOARD WOULD HAVE WITH, UH, WITH ALL THAT BEING SAID, I'M OPENING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND IS THERE ANYBODY ON THE BOARD THAT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I DO.
I JUST, UH, WHAT IS IT ABOUT THE HAPPY CREEK ROAD THAT NEEDS TO BE CLEARED OUT BEFORE THAT'S, I I OFF YOUR RECORDS TOO.
IT IS ALL IN THE, IN THE BUREAU.
IT IS ALL IN THE BUREAUCRACY AT THE CENTRAL OFFICE.
IT JUSTS IN THE ACCOUNTING, IT'S ACCOUNTING FUNCTIONS.
THERE'S NO MORE MONEY TO COME OFF OF IT.
IT, THEY JUST HAVE A PAPERWORK PROCESS WHICH NOBODY BUT THEM UNDERSTANDS
I DIDN'T KNOW IF I KNOW, UM, WE HAD LEECHES RUN THERE FOR A WHILE WHERE THE GRASS NEEDED TO GROW OR SOMETHING.
SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
USUALLY THAT, USUALLY THERE'S A ONE YEAR SESSION, UH, TO BE SURE THAT'S DONE, BUT THE MONEY'S ALREADY SPENT.
SO THAT ONE YEAR SESSION IS TO HOLD THE CONTRACTOR ACCOUNTABLE.
IF IT DOESN'T, GRASS DOESN'T GROW.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM ACTUALLY CLOSE ENOUGH YOUR PROJECTS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE NOT, NOPE.
ONE THING THAT I, I I DO HAVE ONE THING.
SO, UM, CAN WE GO THROUGH, JUST SO THE COMMUNITY KNOWS WHERE THESE ARE, LIKE HENDRICK FORD IS IN FORK DISTRICT, RIGHT? CORRECT.
AND PANHANDLE FORK, IS THAT THE FORK DISTRICT SIDE? OKAY.
WILLIAM VINCENT'S IN MY DISTRICT.
NO, NO, THAT'S IN MY DISTRICT.
WHERE IS THAT? DO WE KNOW? I I BELIEVE IT.
THAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF, UM, THE NORTH SIDE OF 55 BRIDGE.
IT'S DOWN 55 DOWN TOWARDS HEADING TOWARDS CHARLESBURG AND THEY'RE, THAT WOULD BE RICHARDSON AND MESS ARE KIND OF OPPOSITE SIDES OF 55.
SO WHICHEVER THE IT WOULD, THE NORTH SIDE WOULD BE MY DISTRICT.
THAT WOULD BE THE SOUTH THERE WOULD BE YOURS.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING.
AND WHERE'S POINT ROAD? THAT'S MY DISTRICT.
JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE LET THE COMMUNITY KNOW WHICH DISTRICTS THEN THE, THAT THESE ARE DISTRIBUTED FAIRLY OTHER THAN THE GUY AT THE END WHO DOESN'T SEEM TO GET ANYTHING.
WELL, I THINK ANYTHING THEIRS ARE BEYOND RURAL RUSTIC BECAUSE, UM, IF I MIGHT, IT SHOULD BE POINTED OUT THAT, THAT THEY WERE ESTABLISHED BASED ON DATA, UH, WHICH ONES WOULD GET THE BIGGEST BANG FOR THE BUCK.
SO I MEAN THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO KNOW THAT, THAT THE DOLLARS THAT THEY'RE, THAT WE'RE SPENDING ON THESE ARE WHERE THEY GET YOU THE BIGGEST RETURN FOR YOUR INVESTMENT.
SINCE WE DOLLARS ARE SO LIMITED ANYWAY.
AND WHEN HAD A BUDGET AND WE APPRECIATE THAT WE HAD A BUDGET IN THE BOX.
I'M SORRY WE HAD A BUDGET IN THE BOX.
UM, THE MAINTENANCE OF THEM IS SO EXPENSIVE AND ONCE YOU GET 'EM IN THE RURAL RUSTIC WHERE THEY'RE AT LEAST OUR SHIP THAT CUTS BACK ON THE EXPENSE MAINTENANCE OF REPLACEMENT AND REGRADING.
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MR. CARTER, BUT IT'S A LITTLE BIT OFF TOPIC AND IT HAS TO DO WITH THE, THE HIGH KNOB.I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF THIS WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO, TO ASK YOU SOME QUESTIONS ON THAT OR SHOULD I WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE MEETING THAT IS, UH, UP TO YOUR BOARD CHAIR? I WOULD, I WOULD PREFER IF WE CAN WAIT TILL AFTER THE MEETING.
SO DO WE HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? NO MA'AM.
IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME AND SPEAK? SECOND CALL.
SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I MOVE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE PROPOSED SECONDARY SIX YEAR PLAN FOR YEAR 2024 THROUGH 2029 AND THE 2024 CONSTRUCTION BUDGET AS PROPOSED AND TO AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO SEND A RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT.
SECOND REAL CALL PLEASE, MR. BUTLER.
[B.2. Conditional Use Permit 2023-02-02, Eric Wayne Adams for a Short-Term Tourist Rental Located at 1850 Gooney Manor Loop and Identified on Tax Map 43 as Parcel 49A5 - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator]
NEXT ITEM IS THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.2023 DASH OH TWO DASH TWO ERIC WAYNE ADAMS FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL LOCATED AT THE 1850 GOONY MANOR LOOP AND IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 43 AS PARCEL 49 85.
MR. LINZ, THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT TERM TORRES RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY HE RECENTLY PURCHASED.
UM, SO HE DID CLOSE ON THE PROPERTY.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE IT AVAILABLE FOR SHORT-TERM LODGING FOR GUESTS OF THE WARREN COUNTY AREA.
WHEN THE PROPERTY IS NOT BEING USED BY HIS FAMILY.
THE APPLICANT WILL MANAGE THE PROPERTY PERSONALLY WITH ASSISTANCE FROM LOCAL PROFESSIONAL SERVICES FOR TRASH DISPOSAL CLEANING LANDSCAPE AND MAINTENANCE.
UM, THIS, THIS DWELLING HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, UH, FOR THE ONSITE SEWAGE DISPOSAL SYSTEM, UH, FOR A MAXIMUM OF EIGHT OCCUPANTS.
IT'S A FOUR BEDROOM DWELLING, UH, AND THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS NOT LOCATED IN A SUBDIVISION.
IT'S GOVERNED BY AN H H A OR P O A.
THE DWELLING DOES MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT OF 100 FEET TO ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS.
THE CLOSEST DWELLING IS 130 FEET TO THE NORTH AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID FOR THIS TO THE BOARD, UH, WITH THE UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.
UM, AND I WILL READ THE CONDITIONS.
CONDITION NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.
NUMBER TWO, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED EIGHT AS DETERMINED ACCORDING TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT FOR A FOUR BEDROOM DWELLING.
NUMBER THREE, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE WELL WATER TESTED ANNUALLY FOR E COLI AND COLIFORM BACTERIA AND A COPY OF THE RESULTS SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING AND HEALTH DEPARTMENTS.
NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM INSPECTED ANNUALLY BY A STATE LICENSE INSPECTOR AND A COPY OF THE RESULTS SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING AND HEALTH DEPARTMENTS.
THE SYSTEM SHALL ALSO BE SERVICED EVERY FIVE YEARS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND A COPY OF THE SERVICE INVOICE SHALL BE PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
NUMBER FIVE, THE DISCHARGE OF FIREARMS AND HUNTING ON THE PROPERTY BY GUESTS SHALL BE PROHIBITED.
NUMBER SIX, THE USE OF ALL TERRAIN VEHICLES BY GUESTS ON THE PROPERTY AND ON STATE AND COUNTY ROAD SHALL BE PROHIBITED.
AND NUMBER SEVEN, OUTDOOR BURNING IN THE USE OF FIREWORKS BY GUESTS SHALL BE PROHIBITED.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.
ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER IS NOTIFIED.
WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME AND SAY ANYTHING? UH, GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR.
I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY COMMENTS.
SO I'VE I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? ANY DISCUSSIONS? DO WE HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP FOR THIS? NO MA'AM.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE YOU'D LIKE TO COME AND SPEAK? SECOND REQUEST.
IS THERE A MOTION I MOVE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PER REQUEST OF ERIC WAYNE ADAMS FOR A SHORT TERM TORRES RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF.
JUST A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND.
[B.3. Conditional Use Permit 2023-02-03, Elena V. Gallo for a Short-Term Tourist Rental Located at 242 Parnassus Road and Identified on Tax Map 23A, Section 1, Block 3, as Parcel 36 - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator]
NEXT ITEM IS AN, UH, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.[00:15:01]
OH TWO DASH OH THREE VIGA FOR A SHORT TERM TERRA RENTAL LOCATED AT 2 42 PARSIS RED ROADTHE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY SHE PURCHASED IN DECEMBER OF 2021.
THE OWNER WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR SHORT-TERM LODGING FOR VISITORS OF THE WARREN COUNTY AREA.
WHEN OUR FAMILY IS NOT STAYING THERE, THE APPLICANT WILL MANAGE THE PROPERTY PERSONALLY WITH ASSISTANCE FROM LOCAL PROFESSIONAL SERVICES FOR CLEANING, LANDSCAPING AND MAINTENANCE.
UM, WE DID RECEIVE COMMENTS FROM THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT APPROVING A MAXIMUM OF TWO OCCUPANTS FOR THE DWELLING AND THIS DWELLING IS LOCATED OR THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE SKYLAND ESTATES SUBDIVISION DID RECEIVE COMMENTS FROM THE SKYLINE COMMUNITY CORPORATION BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND DECLINED ENDORSEMENT OF THE APPLICATION AS IT DOES NOT MEET THEIR CONDITIONS.
I DID INCLUDE A COPY OF THEIR CONDITIONS IN YOUR PACKETS AND HIS SWELLING DOES NOT MEET THE 100 FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT FROM NEIGHBORING UH RESIDENCES.
THE DWELLING ON THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE ROAD TO THE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY IS 80 FEET FROM THE DWELLING ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
UH, THE APPLICANT DID SUBMIT A LIST OF REASONS SHE BELIEVES QUALIFIES THE PROPERTY FOR THIS SETBACK WAIVER WITH HER STATEMENT OF JUSTIFICATION.
IT IS THE STANDARD RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WITH CONDITION NUMBER TWO.
THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED TWO AS DETERMINED ACCORDING TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT COMMENTS.
AND NUMBER EIGHT, IF YOU CHOOSE TO WAIVE THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT READS A WAIVER OF THE OR TO THE SET REQUIRED SETBACK OF 100 FEET.
NEIGHBORING DWELLING SHALL BE GRANTED FOR THE EXISTING 80 FOOT SETBACK TO THE DWELLING NORTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID FOR THIS TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH A UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.
AND THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.
JASON PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED THE APPLICANT IS HERE TODAY.
WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK BEFORE WE GET STARTED? YES.
IT'S, UH, UH, LONG JOURNEY TO GET ALL THE WAY HERE.
UH, WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.
UH, WE'RE AN ACTIVE MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY.
WE HELP EACH OTHER WHEN THE STORM COMES AND WE CLEAN EACH OTHER'S YARD AND LOAN TOOLS AND EVERYTHING.
THE, UH, THE PROPERTY THAT DOESN'T MEET THE, THE SETBACK IS ACROSS PANASAS.
SO MY PROPERTY'S ONE SIDE, HE'S ON THE OTHER SIDE.
AND, UH, SO THERE'S A STEEP LINE.
SO HE'S UP HERE AND I'M UP HERE.
SO THESE PEOPLE, SO THERE'S THREE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE ACTIVE THAT WE CAN SEE ON A DAILY BASIS.
UH, THESE ARE OUR, OUR FRIENDS, THEY, THEY HAVE COME TO OUR HOUSES.
UH, SO I, UH, I COMMUNICATED TO THEM WHEN I HAD INTENTIONS OF THE AIRBNB PERSONALLY, I GOT A LETTER OF RECOMMENDATION FOR THE THREE OF THEM IN SUPPORT, UH, OF OUR AIRBNB.
AND, UM, AND WE, IN ADDITION, WE PLANT 15, UH, SIX FOOT, UH, EVERGREEN TREES JUST TO HELP, UH, TO, TO BRING PRIVACY TO ALL OUR NEIGHBORS THAT ARE ON OUR SIDE OF OUR PROPERTY.
SO, UM, ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORS LIKE THAT.
SO IT'S LIKE, OH, CAN I GET THOSE TREES? SO I BROUGHT LIKE NINE FOR HIM TO SAY, HEY, YOU'RE SO HELPING EACH OTHER.
UM, SO, UM, WE, WE DID QUITE AN INVESTMENT TO GET TO THIS POINT.
UH, THE, THE, UH, HEALTH DEPARTMENT DIDN'T HAVE ANY RECORDS OF OUR SEPTIC.
SO WE START WITH, UH, INSPECTORS.
THEN THEY WANTED TO HAVE, UH, THE PART TEST, WE GOT PRACTICE, WE PAY THE PEOPLE WHO DIG THE, THE HOLES.
UH, I WENT TO GET THE PLAT, THERE WAS NO PLAT, SO I HIRED A SURVEY PERSON.
SO WE GOT THE SURVEY AND SEPTIC AND WE RECORDED IN THE WARREN COUNTY COURT TEACHING AND, UH, KEEP ON GOING.
AND SO FINALLY WE GOT, UH, TO THIS POINT AND UM, SO HOPE, UH, YOU CAN APPROVE US JUST FOR TWO SO WE'RE NOT THERE.
WE CAN RENT IT HERE AND THERE AND HELP US PAY THE MORTGAGE.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO.
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? NO MA'AM.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME AND SPEAK? SECOND REQUEST.
CHAIR, I MOVE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST BY ALINA V GALLO FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS IS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF.
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AYE MRS. COLORS? AYE.[B.4. Conditional Use Permit 2023-02-04, John Randolph & Deborah Lynn Clark for a Short-Term Tourist Rental Located at 1207 Buck Mountain Road and Identified on Tax Map 36B, Section 1, as Parcel 3 - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator]
ON OUR AGENDA IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.2023 DASH OH TWO DASH OH FOUR JOHN RANDOLPH AND DEBORAH LYNN CLARKE FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL LOCATED AT 1207 BUCK MOUNTAIN ROAD IN IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 36 B SECTION ONE AS PARCEL THREE.
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NOW THAT THEIR CHILDREN ARE GROWN AND MOVED OUT, THE OWNERS WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PORTION OF THEIR DWELLING AVAILABLE FOR SHORT-TERM LODGING FOR VISITORS OF THE WARREN COUNTY AREA TO SUPPLEMENT THEIR INCOME.
AS THEY TRANSITION TO RETIREMENT RESIDING IN THE MAIN PORTION OF THE DWELLING, THE APPLICANTS WILL MANAGE THE PROPERTY PERSONALLY.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THEY WILL NOT BE SERVING BREAKFAST.
IT IS NOT A BED AND BREAKFAST ESTABLISHMENT.
UM, THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT ON FILE THAT APPROVES A MAXIMUM OF SIX OCCUPANTS FOR THIS THREE BEDROOM DWELLING.
AND IT IS NOT LOCATED IN A SUBDIVISION GOVERNED BY AN HOA OR POA.
THE DWELLING DOES MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT TO ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS.
THE CLOSEST DWELLING IS 120 FEET TO THE EAST.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID FORWARD THIS TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH A UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL AND IT IS THE STANDARD CONDITIONS WE'RE RECOMMENDING, UH, WITH CONDITION NUMBER TWO.
THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED SIX AS DETERMINED ACCORDING TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT FOR A THREE BEDROOM DWELLING.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE, MAYBE, MAYBE NOT.
SO IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD FOR MR. LINZ? NO.
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY TO SIGN UP TO SPEAK? UM, ONLY THE APPLICANT MA'AM, BUT IF, OH, THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
I JUST WANNA SAY THAT WE'RE REALLY EXCITED.
MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE TRAVELED QUITE A BIT AND, AND HAVE ENJOYED AIRBNB ALMOST EVERYWHERE WE GO.
SO WE COME HOME AND WE LOOK OUT OUR, OUR FRONT DOOR AND WE SEE THE BEAUTY AROUND US AND IT'S, WE'RE JUST EXCITED ABOUT SHARING WARREN COUNTY WITH OTHERS WHO MIGHT HAVE THAT SAME TYPE OF, UM, EXPERIENCE.
SO IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK SECOND REQUEST LAST CALL.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I MOVE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST OF JOHN RANDOLPH AND DEBORAH CLARK FOR A SHORT-TERM TAURUS RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF.
MADAM CHAIR? AYE MRS. COLORS? AYE.
[B.5. Conditional Use Permit 2023-02-05, Society of Saint Pius X for a Church Located at 2203 Reliance Road and Identified on Tax Map 11 as Parcel 1 - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator]
ITEM, UM, IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 2023 DASH OH 2 0 5.PLUS FOR THE 10TH, I'M ASSUMING FOR THE CHURCH LOCATED ON 2020, EXCUSE ME, 2203.
2203 RELIANCE ROAD AND IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 11 AS PARCEL ONE.
MR. LINZ, DID YOU, DIDN'T YOU SKIP ONE? DID I SKIP ONE? I THINK SO.
AND WE JUST DID THEM, YOU KEPT CHECKING ONE OFF.
SO FIVE IS, ARE WE ALL ON THE SAME AGENDA? WE'RE GOOD.
CUZ I COULD HAVE HAD THE WRONG ONE.
SO MR. LANCE
PIUS 10 CURRENTLY HOLDS SCHEDULED WORSHIP SERVICES FOR THEIR SMALL LOCAL CONGREGATION.
EVERY SUNDAY IN THE IMMACULATE HEART OF MARY CHAPEL LOCATED ON JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY IN LINTON, THE APPLICANT SEEKS TO RELOCATE THE CONGREGATION AND WORSHIP SERVICES TO A MORE PERMANENT LOCATION.
THE APPLICANT PLANS ON CONVERTING THE EXISTING BARN STRUCTURE LOCATED AT 2203 RELIANCE ROAD TO A CHURCH TO BE USED BY THE CONGREGATION FOR WORSHIP SERVICES UNTIL THEY'RE ABLE TO RAISE THE FUNDS TO REQUIRED TO BUILD A PERMANENT CHURCH BUILDING ON THE ADJACENT 10 ACRE VACANT PARCEL.
THE CONGREGATION WILL HOLD WORSHIP SERVICES EVERY SUNDAY MORNING WITH OCCASIONAL USE DURING THE WEEKDAYS AND THE APPLICANT PLANS TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY TO ALLOW FOR A CAPACITY OF 150 PEOPLE WITH THE POTENTIAL TO EXPAND UP TO MAXIMUM OF 300 PEOPLE.
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WE DID RECEIVE COMMENTS FROM BUILDING INSPECTIONS, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT OFFICE OF DRINKING WATER, AND, UH, VDOT.THOSE WERE ALL INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKETS.
WE DID RECEIVE SEVERAL LETTERS, BOTH IN SUPPORT AND IN OPPOSITION, UH, FOR THIS REQUEST.
THE PREVALENT CONCERN BEING THE POTENTIAL IMPACT ON TRAFFIC.
THIS WAS FORWARDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL WITH A MODIFICATION TO CONDITION NUMBER ONE TO SET THE MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY TO THE, TO 300 PEOPLE.
UH, I THINK WITH, WITH THAT, UH, CONDITION CHANGE, UH, I THINK THEY WANTED TO PUT LIKE A TOP END LIMIT BECAUSE THE ROOM FOR EXPANSION DIDN'T REALLY DEFINE HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD BE.
SO THEY WANTED TO PLACE A A CAP ON THAT.
I'LL READ THROUGH THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.
NUMBER ONE, THE CHAPEL OCCUPANCY SHALL NOT EXCEED 300 PEOPLE WHERE THE NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS DETERMINED BY THE VIRGINIA UNIFORM STATEWIDE BUILDING CODE AND VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH APPROVAL FOR AN ONSITE SEWAGE DISPOSAL SYSTEM, WHICHEVER IS FEWEST.
NUMBER TWO, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY, WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS, AND VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.
NUMBER THREE, THE APPLICANT SHALL SUBMIT A SITE PLAN SHOWING PARCEL BOUNDARIES, PROPOSED BUILDING FOOTPRINTS, DIMENSIONS OF PROPOSED BUILDINGS, SETBACKS FROM BUILDINGS TO NEAREST PROP PROPERTY BOUNDARIES, INGRESS, EGRESS, INTERNAL ACCESS ROADS, OUTDOOR LIGHTING, PARKING, INCLUDING HANDICAP PARKING AND WELL SEPTIC AND DRAIN FIELD LOCATIONS TO THE COUNTY PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF BUILDING AND ZONING PERMITS.
NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT SHALL MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION 180 DASH 15 FOR OFF-STREET PARKING FOR A CHURCH IN CODE SECTION 180 DASH 49.2 FOR OUTDOOR LIGHTING.
NUMBER FIVE, THE APPLICANT SHALL MEET ALL PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS AND COMPLETE THE NECESSARY ENTRANCE IMPROVEMENTS AS IDENTIFIED AND RECOMMENDED BY THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR THE STRUCTURE BY THE BUILDING OFFICIAL.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.
ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED THE APPLICANT HAS A FEW REPRESENTATIVES HERE, UH, THAT CAN SPEAK.
ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU MR. LANCE.
IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. LINZ FROM THE BOARD? NOPE.
IS THE APPLICANT HERE, WOULD THEY LIKE TO COME AND SAY A FEW WORDS? GOOD EVENING.
UM, UH, THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO CONSIDER OUR REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, THE USE OF BUIL OF THE BUILDING AT 2203 RELIANCE ROAD FOR RELIGIOUS WORSHIP.
UM, I'D LIKE TO START OFF WITH MY GRATITUDE FOR THE COMMENTS AND THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED BY, UH, NEIGHBORS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS, UH, REGARDING THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION AS A CATHOLIC CONGREGATION, WE'RE DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT BEING NEIGHBORLY AND ENSURING THAT WE FIT IN WITH THE, UH, THE LOCAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE OFFER A POSITIVE WHOLESOME ATMOSPHERE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND CONTRIBUTE TO THAT.
PIUS 10TH, UH, IS REQUESTING THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO ENABLE US TO SATISFY ONE OF THE MOST FUNDAMENTAL OF TREASURE TRADITIONS OF OUR COMMONWEALTH IN OUR COUNTY TO WORSHIP GOD.
AND WHILE WE UNDERSTAND THAT IN ANY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION, THERE ARE MANY QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW THE LAND USE WILL IMPACT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND ITS NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
WE ARE MAKING A GOOD FAITH AND DILIGENT EFFORT TO CONTRIBUTE POSITIVELY TO THE LOCAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT MANY OF THE CONCERNS RAISED BY NEIGHBORS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS REGARDING TRAFFIC PRIVACY AND OTHER MATTERS, UM, DO HAVE AN IMPACT.
AS AN EXAMPLE, WE'VE ALREADY BEGUN THE PROCESS OF INSTALLING NATURAL VEGETATIVE SCREENING AROUND THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND WE'RE CONTINUING TO CONSIDER THE OPTIONS TO ALLEVIATE WHAT WE BELIEVE TO BE MINIMAL TRAFFIC IMPACTS.
AND ONE THING I DO WANNA POINT OUT IS THAT, UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF CHILDREN IN OUR CONGREGATION AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF 12 AND 15 PASSENGER VANS, WHICH IS GOING TO REDUCE THE TRAFFIC IMPACT SIGNIFICANTLY.
UM, BECAUSE FAMILIES ARE COMING IN LARGE VEHICLES.
UM, IN ORDER TO HAVE MORE SPECIFIC SOLUTIONS THOUGH, THE FIRST STEP IS THE APPROVAL OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION.
THAT BEING SAID, WE TRUST THAT DIVINE PROVIDENCE WILL GUIDE US AS WE PROCEED THROUGH THIS STATUTORY PROCESS OF OBTAINING THE THE REQUISITE APPROVALS, UH, TO U TO THE USE OF THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE AS OUR PLACE OF WORSHIP.
WE BELIEVE THAT WE CAN SATISFY ALL OF THE STATE MANDATED REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS PROCESS, INCLUDING THE VDOT MEASURES TO ALLEVIATE CONCERNS REGARDING TRAFFIC.
WE'RE OPEN TO IDEAS FROM OUR NEIGHBORS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT WILL ALLOW US TO EFFECTIVELY MITIGATE THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED AT THE END OF THE DAY.
THE QUESTION BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS WHETHER OUR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT COMPLIES WITH THE COMMONWEALTH AND COUNTY LAWS AND REGULATIONS WITHOUT PLACING AN UNDUE BURDEN ON THE LOCAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE BELIEVE THAT OUR USE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FOR FOR RELIGIOUS WORSHIP COMPLIES WITH THESE REQUIREMENTS AND WILL POSITIVELY CONTRIBUTE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND TO OUR COMMUNITY.
AND WE HOPE THAT YOU VIEW THIS REQUEST IN LIGHT OF SIMILAR CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS, UH, APPLICATIONS SUBMITTED BY RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS IN THE COUNTY, AND THAT YOU CONTINUE WARREN COUNTY'S HISTORICAL RECORD OF BEING A
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PLACE WHERE FOLKS CAN LIVE, WORK IN WORSHIP AS OUR FOREFATHERS PROMISED.IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE BOARD HAS FOR OUR APPLICANT? YEAH, MADAME CHAIR, WHAT, WHAT IS YOUR ADDRESS? UH, 1050 ROCKY GLEN DRIVE, WHITE POST VIRGINIA.
SO DO WE HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? UH, YES MA'AM.
UH, DARDEN BROCK PROBABLY TOO SHORT PODIUM.
YEAH, I THINK WE CAN TALK LOUD.
WELL, THANK YOU ALL FOR THANK YOU.
AND I'M NOT GONNA TALK EXCEPT TO ASK YOU TO PLEASE APPROVE IT.
AND I LIVE IN THE COUNTY AND VOTE IN THE COUNTY AND WE JUST BE MOST GRATEFUL IF YOU SAY YES,
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE SIGNED UP? NO MA'AM.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME AND SPEAK UP? YES, PLEASE.
UM, FIRST OFF, I I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THE BOARD GOT MY EMAIL THAT I SENT EARLIER.
WHAT WAS YOUR BACK ON MARCH 22ND.
WHAT IS YOUR NAME AGAIN? TIM DAVIS.
UM, AS THE STATES IN, IN, IN THE LETTER, UM, AS YOU'VE MOST ALREADY, I'M NOT GONNA REPEAT EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE ALREADY HOPEFULLY HAVE READ, UM, ABOUT THE, UH, CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE ABOUT THE TRANSPORTATION PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE ON ALLIANCE ROAD.
I REALLY DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERO CAN HANDLE THIS, THIS TYPE OF TRAFFIC, BUT, UH, LET ME, UM, I'M NOT THE BEST SPEAKER, UM, BUT I'M DOING MY BEST.
I'LL START BY SAYING, UH, I APPRECIATE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND, UH, LOOKING AT OUR SAFETY AND HEALTH AS OUR NUMBER ONE CONCERN FOR THE COUNTY.
UM, I BELIEVE THIS PROJECT SHOULD BE TERMINATED AS A LOCAL RESIDENCE WOULD BE IMPACTED.
UM, UM, AS WELL AS I BELIEVE THIS IS WATER SUPPLY HAS NOT BEEN REALLY TRULY DISCUSSED OR, OR IN BEEN, UH, RESEARCHED.
I BELIEVE THE, UH, SEPTIC SYSTEM IS A CONCERN, UM, FOR THE AMOUNT OF CITIZENS AND THE SEPTIC SYSTEM THAT THEY HAVE NOT EVEN UH, BUILT YET.
UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT THE, UH, IT'S, UH, AN IMPORTANT SYSTEM THAT, THAT, UH, THE, THE BOARD SHOULD CONSIDER.
UH, SECONDLY, UM, IN THE LINE OF SIGHT OF THE TRAFFIC, UM, IT'S, IT'S, UM, THE ROAD IS HEAVILY USED AND THE LINE OF SIGHT, IF YOU GO OUT THERE, UM, IT COMING FROM FROM THREE 40, IT ACTUALLY HAS AN EGRESS UP.
AND THE ENTRANCE WOULD BE, I DON'T BELIEVE THE ENTRANCE IS, IS SOMETHING I BELIEVE THE BOARD SHOULD TAKE A LOOK AT BEFORE THEY MAKE A DECISION.
UM, I THINK IT'S, IT'S A ACCIDENT HAPPEN, WAITING HAPPEN.
UM, I THINK THIS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED, UM, JUST AS THE, UH, THE BRIDGE PROJECT WAS, WAS, UH, CONSIDERED, UH, WITH MS. OSU, YOU, YOU HAD, UH, UH, HAD, HAD DONE FOR US.
UM, THE SHOPPING CENTER BRIDGE PROJECT, UM, WAS SIMILAR TO THIS AND I, I, I STRONGLY AGREE, UH, WOULD HOPE THAT YOU AGREE THAT, UH, YOU NOT AGREE WITH THIS, THIS, UM, BUILDING, UH, OF THIS, UH, CHURCH.
UM, BUT, UH, I'M GONNA LEAVE THE REST OF MY TIME FOR OTHER PEOPLE HERE TO, UH, SPEAK.
IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
I GUESS I HAD MY TIME, BUT YOU CAN FINISH THAT LAST SENTENCE IF YOU'D LIKE, HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I DON'T HAVE ANY ANSWERS TO BE HONEST, OTHER THAN MY CONCERNS.
UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR YOU TONIGHT.
AND I APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR, YOUR
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CON UH, YOUR THOUGHTS.IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT'D LIKE TO SPEAK? GOOD EVENING.
THE RICHARD JAMES FROM 60 PAPPY COURT, MIDDLETOWN, VIRGINIA.
I THINK THE, I HOPE, CERTAINLY HOPE THE BOARD IS AWARE OF, OF A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT I'VE TRIED TO CONVEY ABOUT THIS SITUATION.
UH, THERE'S NO CHANCE IN THREE MINUTES OF RECOUNTING IT, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE PRODUCTIVE TO DO SO.
UM, JUST TO HIGHLIGHT TWO THINGS.
THE SERIOUS OBJECTIONS HA HAVE BEEN RAISED CONCERNED, SAFETY AND THE, THE IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY, AND I WON'T BE ABLE TO REPEAT ALL OF THOSE HERE AS WELL, BUT I DO WANT TO EMPHASIZE, UH, TWO THINGS.
ONE OF 'EM IS THAT REALLY THE FOCUS ON THE COMMUNITY I HAVE HERE THAT THE COUNTY OF WARREN, UH, DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION AND PROCEDURES PURPOSE AND BACKGROUND.
I'VE SHARED THIS FIRST PAGE OF THIS WITH YOU.
UH, THE SENTENCE SAYS, A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT ALLOWS THE COUNTY THROUGH A PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS TO CONSIDER SPECIAL USES, WHICH MAY BE ESSENTIAL OR DESIRABLE TO A PARTICULAR COMMUNITY, BUT WHICH ARE NOT ALLOWED AS A MATTER RIGHT, WITHIN A ZONING DISTRICT.
UM, AGAIN, AS I, AS I'VE CONVEYED, I DON'T THINK THERE CAN BE ANY INTERPRETATION OF COMMUNITY IN THIS CONTEXT OTHER THAN THE COMMUNITY IN WHICH THE PROPERTY EXISTS AND THAT THE BENEFITS AND DESIRABILITY CONCERNS THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE PEOPLE IN THAT COMMUNITY.
AND IN THIS SITUATION, IT'S ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THERE WILL BE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE COMING AND GOING FROM THIS COMMUNITY FROM WHICH I'VE CONVEYED A, A PETITION.
I THINK THERE'S 40 SIGNATURES ON THE PETITION.
I'M QUITE SURE THERE ARE A DOZEN OR TWO DOZEN OR MAYBE MORE EMAILS FROM OUR COMMUNITY THAT HAVE BEEN RELAYED ABOUT THIS.
SO REALLY THE ISSUE IS WHO IS THE COMMUNITY AND WHO ARE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS INTENDED TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT AND BENEFIT.
AND I MAINTAIN THERE THE COMMUNITY THAT THE PROPERTY RESIDES IN AND THE NUMBERS ARE ACKNOWLEDGE TO BE IN THE HUNDREDS AND THE NUMBERS ARE GONNA BE 50 TO 150 CARS.
THE NUMBERS ARE, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER OF MASSES.
THE SERVICES ARE GONNA BE MULTIPLE PER SUNDAY.
THE SELF-PROFESSED DESIRE OF THE COMMUNITY, I HOPE THEY DO GROW, BUT I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE VENUE FOR THEM TO DO SO.
CUZ MY WORST FEAR IS A REAR END COLLISION INJURIES LOSS OF LIFE.
BUT IT'S NOT EQUALLY, OR MAYBE NOT EQUALLY, BUT, BUT CERTAINLY NOT UNIMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT, THAT WHAT DOES THE COUNTY HAVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS FOR? THEY HAVE 'EM FOR PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY OF THOSE AROUND THE PROPERTY CANNOT BE INTERPRETED TO THINK THAT IT'S FOR THE PEOPLE OF A COMMUNITY THAT WILL COME AND THAT WILL GO, THEY WILL COME, THEY WILL IMPOSE THE TRAFFIC, THEN THEY WILL GO, THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK? I'M JOHN THORPE, UH, 25 SUMMIT RIDGE ROAD, FRONT ROYAL.
UM, I LIVE IN THE SHENANDOAH SHORES COMMUNITY AND UM, WE HAVE CHRISTENDOM COLLEGE, WHICH IS RIGHT OFF OF SHENANDOAH SHORES ROAD.
AND I DID A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH, UM, TODAY ON THE VDOT WEBSITE TO SEE WHAT THE ANNUAL AVERAGE DAILY TRAFFIC VOLUME IS FOR SHANDO SHORES ROAD.
AND IT'S, UH, FOR, THIS IS 2021 AT THE MOST BUSIEST SECTION.
AND AS YOU KNOW, THAT COLLEGE OUT THERE JUST BUILT A VERY NICE CHURCH WITH A CAPACITY OF ABOUT 900 PEOPLE AND THEY HAVE ABOUT 500 STUDENTS AT THE COLLEGE THAT, UM, THAT ARE THERE.
NOT TO MENTION ALL THE PROFESSORS AND EVERYBODY THAT COME AND GO FROM THAT COLLEGE ALL THE TIME.
AND I'VE NEVER SEEN A SAFETY ISSUE OR A CONCERN OR EVEN REALLY A TRAFFIC PROBLEM WITH WHAT GOES UP AND DOWN SHENANDOAH SHORES ROAD, WHICH IS, AS YOU KNOW, VERY NARROW AND VERY SMALL.
AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF NEIGHBORHOODS ALONG THAT ROAD AS WELL AS YOU'RE WELL WITH STONEGATE AND SOME OTHER ONES.
AND I'M COMPARING THIS TO RELIANCE ROAD, WHICH HAS A MUCH LOWER, UM, ANNUAL AVERAGE DAILY TRAFFIC VOLUME.
ACCORDING TO VDOT, AT ITS MOST BUSIEST SECTION, IT'S AT 2,900.
SO EVEN IF WE BRING IN OUR EXTRA 200 OR SO 300,
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UH, PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING ON SUNDAY, UH, THAT'S NOTHING IN COMPARISON TO WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW AT SHENANDOAH SHORES ROAD AND CHRISTEN COLLEGE.SO I WANTED TO, UH, RECOGNIZE THE CONCERN AND SAY YES.
I, I THINK IF I WAS A RESIDENT I WOULD HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT SEEING INCREASED TRAFFIC, UM, FOR ABOUT 300 PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING ON A WEEKLY BASIS.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU FROM PROOF WITHIN THE COUNTY, UM, BY THE EVIDENCE OF WHAT'S GOING ON SHANDO SHORES ROAD, THAT IT'S JUST NOT A CONCERN.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK? YES, GOOD EVENING.
SO, UM, I OWN THE BARN THAT THE, UH, CHURCH IS, IS GONNA BE USING.
UM, AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY I I, I'M TOTALLY OKAY WITH THAT, UM, WITH THAT USE OF THE CHURCH AND, UM, I, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THE IMPACT THAT, THAT IT WILL HAVE, UM, LOCALLY, I MEAN, SO JUST WANTED TO BASICALLY SHOW MY SUPPORT FOR AND, UH, CALL HER THAT.
I'M JUST A MOM AND I WANNA SAY THAT, EXCUSE ME.
CAN YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF FROM YOUR ADDRESS PLEASE? OKAY, SO I'M JAMA THORPE.
I AM AT 25 SUMMER RIDGE ROAD, BUT I WANNA SHARE THAT MAYBE I SHOULDN'T HAVE COME UP CUZ I'M EMOTIONAL, BUT, UM, WHO DOESN'T WANNA WORSHIP GOD TODAY? I THINK THE WORLD NEEDS IT AND, UH, NOTHING BUT GOODNESS WILL COME BECAUSE WE'RE ALL GOD DRIVEN.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE
HOW ARE YOU AUNTIE? I'M TOO BAD.
I'M AT, UH, 9 48 ROCKY GLEN DRIVE, WAKE POST VIRGINIA.
IT'S STILL WARREN COUNTY, BUT UM, I DON'T LIVE ON RELIANCE ROAD AND I DON'T GO TO SS P X.
UM, I OBVIOUSLY JOE'S MY BROTHER, SO I KNOW THE OWNER OF THE BLOT.
UM, UH, BUT I DO FARM THE AREA I FARM.
I HAVE A LEASE OVER ON CARLY'S WAY,
UM, BUT EVEN AS IT LIES, I'VE HAD NO TROUBLE PULLING IN AND OUT WITH 30 FOOT TRAILERS BEHIND A TRUCK, UM, AND CATTLE TRAILERS.
UM, THE ONLY PLACE I'VE EVER REALLY HAD AN ISSUE IS COMING OUT OF, UH, CARLEY'S WAY WHERE IT, COMING DOWN THAT HILL THERE, IT'S ALWAYS KIND OF A, A SKETCHY PULLOUT.
UM, SO I DON'T, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T REALLY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THOSE PEOPLE.
THEY BROUGHT THEIR SUBDIVISION ON TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT USED TO BE FARMLAND AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH IT.
UM, MY FAMILY USED TO OWN THE OLD, THE OLD VAUGHN FARM BACK THERE.
UM, SO WE FARMED BACK THERE FOR A LONG TIME AND UH, WE'VE NEVER HAD AN ISSUE WITH THAT SUBDIVISION.
THEY'VE BEEN BUILDING HOUSES THERE ADDING TRAFFIC TO THE ROAD FOR, FOR AGES NOW.
UM, AND I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY CARE.
UM, BUT I JUST THINK IT'S A LITTLE IRONIC WHEN THEY START COMPLAINING ABOUT PEOPLE DOING SOMETHING AFTER THEY'VE ALREADY MOVED IN.
UM, THEY HAVE NO PROBLEM PULLING OFF ONTO CARLY'S WAY.
UH, THEY'RE NOT SCARED ABOUT GETTING REAR-ENDED.
UM, AND YET THEY'RE KIND OF PROJECTING THAT ON OTHER PEOPLE THAT ALSO HAVE NO PROBLEM DOING THAT.
UM, SO YEAH, I JUST, UH, THOUGHT I'D VOICE THAT IT'S A, UH, IT'S JUST MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.
I KNOW VDOT PROBABLY HAS A LOT MORE TO SAY ABOUT IT, BUT I'VE NEVER HAD AN ISSUE AND I PULL OUT WITH, YOU KNOW, BIG TRAILERS AND STUFF AND SO JUST THOUGHT I'D MENTION THAT.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? YEP.
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HELLO, MY NAME IS, UH, LUPE WHITAKER.I LIVE ON 90 48 ROCKY GLEN ROAD, WHITE POST VIRGINIA.
I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, SUPPORT EVERYTHING THAT ANDREW HAS SAID AND ALSO KIND OF, UM, OFF OF WHAT JEN THORPE WAS SAYING, I LIKE YOU ALL TO CONSIDER GENESIS ONE WHEN GOD'S CREATING THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH AND UM, BASICALLY WHY DID HE MAKE THIS EARTH SO THAT WE CAN COME AND WORSHIP HIM.
SO I THINK THIS IS A PERFECTLY GREAT THING TO DO ON A PIECE OF LAND.
ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO COME AND SPEAK? SECOND CALL FINAL FOR THE CARION IS NOW CLOSED.
IS THERE ANY LAST COMMENTS BEFORE I ASK FOR A MOTION? SO I WOULD LIKE TO TO ASK YOU SOME QUESTIONS.
SO THE BIGGEST CONCERN FROM WHAT I AM SEEING IN THE PACKET IS THIS, UM, IS THE VDOT ISSUE.
UM, VDOT SENT IN AND SAID THAT THE ROADWAY CURRENTLY CARRIES 2100 TRIPS PER DAY AND HAS A POSTED SPEED LIMIT OF 45 MILES AN HOUR.
THE EXISTING ENTRANCE DOES NOT MEET MINIMUM SITE DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS.
AND I WENT OUT THERE AND IT IS A SKETCHY COMING OUT.
I MEAN, IT IS, WHETHER YOU'RE COMING OUT OF CARLEY'S WAY OR WHETHER YOU'RE COMING OUT WHERE THIS PROPOSED ENTRANCES, IT'S GONNA BE SKETCHY FOR ANYBODY WHO'S, CUZ YOU COME OVER A HILL AND THERE'S NOT ANY SITE DISTANCE, YOU DON'T HAVE BREAK TIME REACTION TIME.
SO THIS ENTRANCE ONLY HAS 294 FEET OF SITE DISTANCE TO THE EAST AND 500 FEET IS REQUIRED.
UM, WHAT VDOT HAS SET IS A SITE DISTANCE PLAN AND PROFILE FROM AN ENGINEER NEEDED FOR REVIEW TO DETERMINE IF THE CHURCH CAN OBTAIN MINIMUM SITE DISTANCE AND HOW WOULD THAT BE ACHIEVED.
UM, IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT MINIMUM SITE DISTANCE, THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE SAYING, CAN BE OBTAINED WITHOUT ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WEIGHT OR EASEMENTS OFF THE FRONTAGE OF THE ADJACENT PARCEL TAX MAP.
AND THAT IS STILL QUESTIONABLE.
UM, THE PLAN AND PROFILE ARE NEEDED TO VERIFY THE SLOPE, UH, CAN EVEN BE CUT TO OBTAIN THAT SITE DISTANCE AND MAINTAIN DURING THE SUMMERTIME VEGETATIVE GROWTH.
SO WHAT I WANNA KNOW FROM YOU IS HOW CAN WE MAKE ANY DECISION WITH THAT BIG QUESTION MARK OUT THERE ABOUT SAFETY? RIGHT? SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THE VDOT COMMENTS, WE WOULD MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THESE ARE SATISFIED BEFORE WE ISSUE A CERTIFICATE OF ZONING.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PROCEED, UM, WITH THE PROJECT UNTIL THEY GET THAT.
I WOULD JUST SAY THOUGH THAT THIS, THAT IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE WE'RE PUTTING THE, AS MS COLORS HAS MENTIONED MULTIPLE TIMES THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE.
BECAUSE IF THIS, IF THESE FOLKS GO THROUGH ALL THIS PROCESS AND CAN'T MEET THESE MINIMUM SITE DISTANCES AND CAN'T GET A VDOT COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE, WHICH IS WHAT VDOT SAYS IS GOING TO BE REQUIRED FOR THIS PARTICULAR ACTIVITY, THEN THEY'VE BEEN, WE'VE MADE A DECISION ON SOMETHING THAT'S NEVER GONNA HAPPEN.
SO WHAT ARE THE ALTERNATIVES? WHAT IF WE POSTPONE EVERYTHING AND LET THEM FIND OUT? AND IF THEY FIND OUT THEY CAN'T GET THIS, THEN THIS DECISION DOESN'T HAVE TO BE MADE.
THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M, I'M INTERESTED IN HEARING YOUR FEEDBACK ON.
DO YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW WITH THE, THESE COMMENTS, UH, IF THEY WANT TO OR IF YOU WANT THEM TO
UM, YOU KNOW, DO THIS STUDY, SEE WHAT ALL THEY WOULD NEED TO DO AND SEE IF IT'S EVEN FEASIBLE, UM, THEN YES, IT WOULD BE, UM, SOMETHING YOU COULD TABLE THE DECISION FOR.
BECAUSE THAT ROAD IS SO NARROW.
I WENT OUT THERE BY THE WAY, AND THAT ROAD IS NARROW.
I LIVE THERE, JUST LETTING YOU GUYS KNOW, I LIVE OFF OF RIT HOUR HOLLOW AND SO RELIANCE ROAD IS A ROAD I TRAVEL EVERY DAY.
AND SO, UM, IF I'M GOING TO, AND WHAT IT IS IS IT'S A THOROUGHFARE BETWEEN MIDDLETOWN, WHICH IS ACTIVELY GROWING AND I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN OVER THERE, BUT THERE'S SUBDIVISIONS IN GOING IN ON BOTH SIDES OF R 11 AND THEY'RE COMING THROUGH TO GO TO WALMART.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF VOLUME AND YOU KNOW, OUR NUMBER ONE INTEREST IS SAFETY.
I ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE IN THE FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT TO WORSHIP GOD I AM A CHRISTIAN AND I WANT EVERYBODY TO HAVE THAT FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT.
AND BELIEVE ME, MORE CHURCHES, LESS VAPE SHOPS IS MY MOTTO.
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UM, ANYWAY, BUT I DON'T WANT, I DON'T WANNA PREMATURELY FORCE A DECISION ON THE BOARD WHEN WE DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND THE CAPACITY THAT'S GOING TO BE REQUIRED BY VDOT FOR THEM TO EVEN ATTAIN THIS.AND SO, AND THEY'RE CURRENTLY HAVING SERVICES THERE, CORRECT? OR NO? NO, THEIR SERVICES ARE OFF OF JOHN MARSHALL.
THEY'RE IN LINDEN, IT'S UP AT JOHN MARSHALL HIGH.
ALRIGHT, SO, UM, SO WE CAN TABLE THIS AND LET THEM DO A STUDY AND FIND OUT IF VDOT CAN EVEN, BECAUSE THAT MEANS IF THEY HAVE TO GET A RIGHT OF WAY, THEN THAT MEANS THEY HAVE TO GO AND ASK FOR RIGHT OF WAYS.
IS THIS RIGHT? MATT B VDOT WOULD, WOULD REQUIRE A LAND USE PERMIT FOR ANY KIND OF ENTRANCE, UH, IMPROVEMENTS THERE.
SO BEFORE THEY EVEN ISSUED THEIR LAND USE PERMIT AND MR. CARTER CAN MAYBE, UH, CONTRIBUTE TO THIS, BUT UM, THEY'RE GONNA WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS SAFE PRIOR TO ISSUING A LAND USE PERMIT CUZ THEY'RE GONNA BE REQUIRE ALL THE ENGINEERING RE UH, THE STUDY AND ANY ENGINEERING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE ACTUAL ENTRANCE.
UH, THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD AND THIS IS WHAT WE'VE SEEN WITH OTHER COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES.
TYPICALLY THE COM THE PROPERTIES THAT WE HAVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS FOR THAT HAVE HAD, UH, UM, UH, BEEN ISSUED THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS AND DO REQUIRE THE COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE.
THEY CAN, THEY CAN MEET THAT SITE DISTANCE, BUT THEY JUST NEED TO IMPROVE THE ENTRANCE.
IN THIS CASE THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO MEET THE SITE S RIGHT.
SO THE ENTRANCE MAY NOT EVEN ACCOMMODATE WHAT YOU KNOW FOR SAFETY FACTORS.
THAT'S MY CONCERN IS THAT WE'RE MAKING A DECISION ON SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MAKE A DECISION.
WELL, IF YOU DON'T MIND, YEAH.
HAS THE APPLICANT APP UM, APPROVED THESE CONDITIONS? FIVE VDOT, THAT'D BE SOMETHING CHASE MIGHT KNOW.
UH, THEY HAVE INDICATED THAT THEY DO PLAN TO PROCEED AND MEET ALL OF THESE, TO MEET ALL OF THE VDOT REQUIREMENTS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE DONE ANY PRELIMINARY STUDIES TO SEE, YOU KNOW, REACHING OUT TO THE NEIGHBOR TO SEE IF THEY CAN OBTAIN RIGHT AWAY OR WHATEVER.
SO THEY'VE SEEN THE V DOTS REPORT, THEY SEE WHAT IS REQUIRED OF THEM AND WE'RE STILL GONNA GO AHEAD AND THEY'VE ACCEPTED THEM.
AND IT, IT MAY VERY WELL BE THAT, THAT WHAT THEY LOOK AT DOING IS DOING THE STUDY MM-HMM
IF IT CAN'T ACCOMMODATE THE LAND USE, THERE'S NO SENSE IN THEM PURSUING IT ANY FURTHER.
AND BEARING THE COST OF A COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE, YOU, YOU COULD PROBABLY BE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, $20,000 OR OR MORE WITH THE ENGINEERING AND THE PAVING THAT THEY DO REQUIRE.
SO, UM, IT WOULD REALLY BE KIND OF THE BURDEN WOULD NOW BE ON THE APPLICANT, ON THE APPLICANT TO WORK WITH VDOT AND AN ENGINEER AND INVEST THAT MONEY IN THAT IF, IF THEY SO CHOOSE TO DO THAT, MOVE THAT FORWARD AND THEN OF COURSE, UH, BRING THAT INFORMATION BACK TO THE BOARD.
AND IF THE BOARD FELT THAT, YOU KNOW, VDOT FELT GOOD ABOUT THAT, THEIR PLAN AND WHAT THEY COULD DO, THEN YOU CAN MAKE A, A WISER, MORE INFORMED DECISION.
BUT YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT IN TIME IT MAY NOT BE THE BEST DECISION TO MAKE ONE WAY, WAY OR THE OTHER.
SO THAT'S UP TO YOU OBVIOUSLY, BUT, SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, MR. MA? NO.
SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TWO, TWO MOTIONS PROPOSED MOTIONS TO APPROVE OR DENY.
BUT MS. OATS WHO'VE INTRODUCED THE THIRD TO TABLE THIS UNTIL A STUDY IS PRESENTED OR WHAT TYPE OF TIMEFRAME THOUGH? WELL, IT'S GONNA BE UNTIL THE STUDY'S DONE
WELL, I KNOW, BUT SO WE, HOW LONG DOES THE STUDY TAKE MR COURT
THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THEIR CONSULTANT DO THAT.
SO IT'S WHATEVER IS TIMEFRAME.
I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THE SAFETY IMPLICATIONS OF, BECAUSE AS OF RIGHT NOW IT IS UNSAFE.
IT IS BASED ON WHAT I GOT BACK FROM VDOT.
THEY'RE RECOMMENDING THAT IT'S NOT A SAFE SCENARIO.
JORDAN, THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.
IS THAT PERMISSIBLE SINCE I CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT THAT'S YOUR CALL.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME AND ADDRESS WHILE THE APPLICANT IS ON HIS WAY UP HERE? I JUST WANTED TO ASK MR. CARTER A QUICK QUESTION.
SO THE, SO BASICALLY THE, IT'S UP TO THE APPLICANT TO HAVE THE STUDY PERFORMED AND THEN VDOT TAKES A LOOK AT THE STUDY AND, AND REVIEWS IT AND YOU KNOW, SEES IT FOR TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
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OUR PEOPLE GO OUT AND SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT WE SEE YOU HAVE TO DO TO MEET THE SAFETY REQUIREMENTS FOR US TO GRANT YOU AN ENTRANCE PERMIT.AND THEN IT'S UP TO THE APPLICANT TO PROVE TO US THAT THEY CAN MEET THOSE SAFETY REQUIREMENTS.
SOMETIMES THAT'S A SITE DISTANCE ISSUE.
SOMETIMES IT'S EXCAVATION, CUTTING A BIKE PACK AND RIGHT AWAY IS INVOLVED.
THAT ALL FALLS ON THE PPLICANT.
THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME COME UP AND UH, AND TALK.
UM, SO THAT'S ALL A VERY RELEVANT QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER WE CAN GET VDOT APPROVAL, UM, ON THAT SITE OR NOT.
UM, THE BIG IF, IF YOU WILL, SO WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS OF GETTING THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UM, BUT THIS IS ACTUALLY A MUCH LESS COSTLY, UM, PROCESS THAN IT IS TO GO GET ALL THE APPROVAL FOR THAT COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE AND TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT'S FEASIBLE TO DO THE ENGINEERING ON THAT TO, TO GET BUY RIGHT AWAYS IF WE, IF WE NEED TO.
THAT WHOLE PROCESS WILL TAKE A LOT OF TIME AND MONEY.
AND SO IF BASICALLY THERE'S TWO OPTIONS, WE CAN EITHER APPROVE IT WITH A CONDITION THAT WE SATISFY ALL VDOT SAFETY REQUIREMENTS, MAKE SURE THAT'S A SAFE COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE OR THE OTHER OPTION WILL SAY WE'RE NOT GONNA DECIDE, BUT IN ORDER FOR US TO MAKE THAT DECISION WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE YOU GET THAT, UM, APPROVAL FIRST.
SO NOW WE HAVE TO GO OUT AND PUT OUT 20 OR 30 GRAND TO THEN COME BACK AND SAY WHAT IS IT? YOU KNOW, ARE WE GONNA GET APPROVED OR NOT? SO I WOULD, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY TO PUT ON THE LINE TO THEN JUST BE ASKING THE SAME QUESTION I WOULD RATHER KNOW.
YOU KNOW, GIVEN I THINK THAT'S VERY FAIR TO PUT A CONDITION ON THERE TO SAY THIS IS NOT A GO UNLESS YOU GET APPROVAL FROM VIDA.
BUT THAT WAY WE KNOW THAT IF WE CAN SATISFY THOSE REQUIREMENTS, IF WE CAN DO A SAFE COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE, THEN AT LEAST WE ARE APPROVED TO USE IT AS SUCH, THEN IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO INVEST THE TIME AND MONEY INTO THAT PROJECT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HELPS UNDERSTAND OUR SITUATION A LITTLE BETTER, BUT, UM, V OTS COMMENTS, UM, IT'S MR. WHITAKER, RIGHT? YES MA'AM.
V OTS COMMENTS ARE, UM, ARE THAT YOU WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO HAVE, CUZ YOU ONLY HAVE 294 FEET OF SITE DISTANCE, THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE 500 FEET WHICH WOULD REQUIRE YOU TO GET UM, RIGHT OF WAYS FROM THE NEIGHBORS.
HAVE YOU EVEN ATTEMPTED TO DO THAT? YES MA'AM.
AND WHAT ARE THEIR RESPONSES? YEAH, SO THEY'RE OPEN TO IT BUT THEY WOULD WANT MONEY FOR IT.
UM, AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THE NEGOTIATION AS WELL.
UM, THE OTHER THING IS THERE IS, UM, OTHER THINGS THAT WE CAN DO WITH GRADING ON OUR SIDE OF THE SITE.
WE CAN RAISE UP THE ENTRANCE A BIT BECAUSE BASICALLY THERE'S THIS LITTLE HILL, UM, AS YOU COME OUT LOOKING TO THE LEFT, THERE'S A LITTLE HILL THAT'S ON THE NEIGHBORS, UM, LOT.
SO WE COULD BASICALLY EITHER BUY AN EASEMENT IN THERE TO CUT THAT DOWN OR WE COULD RAISE UP THE GRADE.
UM, BUT AGAIN, EVEN THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE RUN THROUGH AN ENGINEERING ASSESSMENT, MAKE SURE THAT WORKS AND, AND THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY VDOT AS WELL.
SO THERE ARE FEASIBLE METHODS TO ACHIEVE THAT.
UM, AND THERE HAVE VARYING LEVELS OF, OF FINANCIAL COST AND, AND, AND SOME JUST TIME.
BUT UM, YEAH, WE, WE WOULDN'T BE PURSUING THIS IF WE DIDN'T BELIEVE IT WAS, YOU KNOW, FEASIBLE.
UM, BUT AGAIN, WE DON'T WANT TO RISK ALL THAT MONEY TO THEN COME BACK TO THE SAME HEARING AND SAY, WELL WE WE SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT FIRST, BUT NO, IT'S NOT GONNA WORK.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND BUT YOU'RE GONNA DO IT ANYWAY, YOU'RE GONNA SPEND THE MONEY NO MATTER WHAT.
LIKE WELL, NO, NO, BECAUSE IF, IF WE GET A NO, BECAUSE IF WE GET A, A NEGATIVE NO.
IN OTHER WORDS, IF, IF THIS IS NOT A GOOD PLACE FOR A CHURCH AND YOU GUYS SAY NO, WE DON'T WANT YOU TO HAVE A CHURCH, I'M NOT GONNA GO OUT AND SPEND 20 OR 30 GRAND FOR SOMETHING THAT, WHY WOULD I DO THAT? SO I'M ONLY GONNA SPEND THAT MONEY IF, IF WE CAN USE IT.
UM, AT LEAST IN MY MIND THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT MAKES SENSE.
SO THAT'S WHY I GUESS BASICALLY I WOULD MUCH PREFER TO HAVE THE, THE GO AHEAD WITH THE CONDITIONS OF OKAY, WE HAVE TO GET VDOT SAFETY APPROVAL.
UM, AND THEN THAT IF WE CAN'T GET THAT THAT'S STILL, YOU'RE RIGHT, THEN WE'RE STILL TAKING A RISK, BUT AT LEAST THEN IT'S ONLY ON VDOT AS OPPOSED TO THEN TWO MOVING FACTORS.
UM, IF THAT, WELL WELL TELL ME THIS, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, CUZ I'VE, I'VE BEEN KEEPING A TALLY OF BOTH IN-PERSON EMAIL AND, UH, WHETHER OR NOT FOLKS ARE, YOU KNOW, IN THE FORT DISTRICT OR IF THEY'RE COMING OUTSIDE OF THE FORT DISTRICT AND THERE IS AN OVERWHELMING AMOUNT OF FOLKS WHO, UH, WHO ARE IN THE FORK DISTRICT WHO ARE NEIGHBORS OF THE, UH, UH, OF THAT AREA WHO ARE AGAINST THIS.
AND IT'S SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE OF THE, THE, THE SAFETY ISSUES.
AND IS THERE A WAY THAT YOU'D BE ABLE TO MITIGATE THAT WITH THE NEIGHBORS? BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S THE BIGGEST CONCERN RIGHT THERE.
I MEAN, UH, FORESEEABLY BASICALLY A VDOT CAN GET US A 500 FOOT SITE DISTANCE.
BUT, BUT HOW ABOUT THE, HOW ABOUT THE NEIGHBORS THOUGH? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, I'M SURE THAT THEY'RE CONCERNED THAT WITH THE, WITH THE INCREASED AMOUNT OF, OF TRAFFIC UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD, THAT IT WOULD, UH, IT WOULD CREATE A,
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UM, A SAFETY CONCERN FOR THEM.UH, UH, BASICALLY, UH, WE, THE ON WE CAN ONLY DO WHAT WE CAN DO.
SO I MEAN I THINK THERE'S TWO FACTORS THAT PLAY WITH A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORS.
MOST OF THEM JUST DON'T WANT TO HAVE MORE ACTIVITY NEAR 'EM, WHICH IS COMPLETELY UNDERSTANDABLE.
AND I GUESS I WOULD BE IN THE SAME BOAT.
SO YOU, YOU CAN'T REALLY GET AWAY FROM THAT CUZ NO MATTER WHERE WE PUT A CHURCH, YOU'RE GONNA ATTRACT TRAFFIC TO THAT AND WHOEVER IS CLOSE BY TO THAT IS NOT GONNA BE, UM, PARTICULARLY HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
UM, SO THAT'S NOT REALLY SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ESCAPE.
THE ONLY THING THAT WE CAN MITIGATE ON OUR END IS THE, THE, THE SAFETY FACTOR.
AND UM, WE CAN DO THAT BY ACHIEVING SITE DISTANCES AND HAVING A GOOD COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE WHERE YOU HAVE EASILY SAFELY PULL OFF AND IT'S NOT CAUSING ANY DISTURBANCES ON THE ROAD.
UM, SO TO ME THAT THAT'S A, UH, THAT'S THE ONLY THING WE CAN DO IS, IS BASICALLY ACHIEVE SAFETY AS FAR AS THE INCONVENIENCE OF SEEING TRAFFIC AND, AND, UM, BEING AROUND THAT THERE, THAT'S JUST PART OF THE NATURE OF BEING A CHURCH.
UM, SO I DON'T FEEL THAT THERE'S ANY WAY FOR US TO MITIGATE THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? NOPE.
SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THIS? C I DO UNDERSTAND HIS POINT OF VIEW.
THAT IS A RISK OF, UM, OF POSTPONING IT.
THAT IS, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF MONEY TO PUT IN TO JUST COME BACK AND POSSIBLY HAVE IT TURNED DOWN ENTIRELY.
UM, JUST MY, YOU KNOW, BUT IF HE PUTS THE MONEY IN AND THEN HE CAN'T ACCOMMODATE IT, IT'S STILL THE SAME THING.
BUT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE, THE SAME END RESULT.
NO, I, I AGREE WITH YOUR MOTION, BUT I ALSO SEE HIS POINT OF IF WE, IF IT, IF WE VOTED UP, HE'S GOTTA PUT THE MO MONEY IN TO GET IT DONE, AND HE DOESN'T GET THE C U P UNTIL THEN.
UM, WE VOTE IT DOWN, IT'S OFF THE CHARTS HERE AND, YOU KNOW, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE.
BUT IF WE TABLE IT, HE GOES TO THAT EXPENSE AND THEN WE WERE TO TURN IT DOWN, THEN HE IS OUT BY THE MAL MONEY.
SO I JUST WANNA KNOW, ACKNOWLEDGE THAT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR POINT OF VIEW IS THERE.
MAY I JUST BRING A COUPLE POINTS UP RELATING TO, UH, V DOT COMMENTS WE'VE HAD, UH, CURRENTLY WE HAVE A REZONING GOING THROUGH FOR, UH, SHENDO PROPERTIES, UM, FOR THE, UM, AGRICULTURAL TO SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL AND THE ROCKLAND AREA, UM, THAT APPLICANT HAS, UM, UH, RETAINED A, UH, TRAFFIC ENGINEER TO DO A LOW VOLUME TRAFFIC STUDY THAT VDOT, UH, BASICALLY REQUIRED FOR THAT LAND USE.
UH, AND THE APPLICANT TOLD ME IT WAS GONNA BE ABOUT 23 TO $25,000.
UM, VDOT WOULD THEN LOOK AT THAT.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS ACTUALLY ASKED TO HAVE THEIR APPLICATION POSTPONED TILL JUNE 14TH.
SO IT WAS ABOUT A THREE MONTH PERIOD, THREE AND A HALF MONTH PERIOD THAT THEY WERE GONNA HAVE THAT.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF VDOT HAS THAT, UH, ENGINEERED STUDY YET.
UM, BUT THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH A REQUIREMENT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE WERE GONNA NEED TO HAVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION WANTED TO SEE BEFORE THEY MOVED IT FORWARD.
UM, ALSO LAST YEAR WE HAD A CLUSTER SUBDIVISION APPLICATION ON RELIANCE ROAD IN THE, OR ABOUT THE SAME PLACE, 47 HOMES, I BELIEVE, RIGHT AROUND THAT 47.
AND SO I THINK THE, ONE OF THE MAIN CONCERNS OF THE BOARD WAS, WAS THE TRAFFIC.
AND THAT WAS, UH, UH, A REASON WE DENIED IT FOR THAT REASON.
AND THAT WAS THE REASON THAT THAT WAS DENIED.
SO, UM, I I JUST BRING THAT UP.
UM, YOU KNOW, LAND USE AND PLANNING WE'RE TASKED, EVEN THOUGH PEOPLE MAY NOT THINK THIS WITH ACTUALLY HELPING TO PROMOTE THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY AND COMMUNITY INCLUDES EVERY PERSON FROM THE LITTLE CHILD THAT'S SITTING IN THAT VAN TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS WHO, WHO LEFT TO LIVE NEXT TO A LAND USE.
UH, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, I WOULD JUST, UH, ASK THAT WHAT IS THE PRICE YOU'RE WILLING TO PAY TO CIRCUMVENT THAT PUBLIC HEALTH SAFETY AND WELFARE IS A $25,000 TRAFFIC STUDY WORTH IT IN CA, YOU KNOW, TO, TO OFFSET THE POTENTIAL OF, OF SOMEBODY POTENTIALLY GETTING IN A CAR ACCIDENT, A FATAL CAR ACCIDENT AT A LOCATION FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
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SPRING THAT POINT UP BECAUSE WE'RE, WE, WE TRY AND ADDRESS THESE LAND USE ISSUES AND ADDRESS ALL THE PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES.BUT PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IF THEY GO AND THEY, UM, PUT A PLAN TOGETHER TO SATISFY V OTS REQUIREMENTS, THEN THERE SHOULDN'T BE A SAFETY OR HEALTH ISSUE.
IF THEY COMPLY, IF THEY COMPLY TO EVERY, EVERYTHING THAT VDOT IS LOOKING FOR, THAT'S CORRECT.
BUT, UH, AND, AND MR. CLARK CAN ADDRESS THIS, BUT THEY MAY NEED THAT A, THAT STUDY OR WHAT AN ENGINEERED STUDY IN ORDER FOR THEM OH, ABSOLUTELY.
TO BE ABLE TO, TO HAVE, UH, A LAND USE PERMIT, THEIR LAND USE PERMIT ISSUED RIGHT.
FOR THE ENTRANCE AND EVERYTHING.
SO AGAIN, I'M JUST, UH, I, I'M, I'M JUST SAYING THAT BASICALLY IF WE LOOK AT THIS AND LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'VE HAD TO DO FROM THE PLANNING STANDPOINT FOR THESE, UH, TRAFFIC STUDIES, UM, IT WAS A BIG PART OF, IT WILL BE A BIG PART OF THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS SPECIFICALLY IN THE REZONING AND IN THE C U P, IT WAS A BIG PART OF THAT DECISION MAKING PROCESS.
SO I JUST, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER C P YEP.
JUST LIKE ANY OTHER C P YOU HAVE ALL THE REQUIREMENTS AND, AND THE APPLICANT SAYS, YAY OR NA, I'LL COMPLY, NOT COMPLY, AND WE MOVE ON, AND THEN ALL THE INSPECTIONS AND ALL THE ROAD WORK OR ALL THE CONDITIONS MUST BE MET BEFORE WE ISSUE THE C U P FOR THEM TO PERFORM WHATEVER ACTIVITY THEY WANT.
BUT YOU'RE PUTTING A COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE ON A, ON A RESIDENTIAL NARROW ROAD.
THAT'S WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT.
AND I THINK WE NEED TO REMEMBER THE WHOLE ROAD.
WE'RE LOOKING AT A NARROW AREA, AND LET'S FACE IT FROM 3 45 22, ALL THE WAY TO ROUTE 11 IS RELIANCE ROAD.
AND UNTIL YOU GET TO THE FREDERICK COUNTY END OF IT, DOES IT WIDEN OUT, UM, AND NOT BE SUCH A PRECARIOUS, NARROW, WINDY ROAD? SO IT'S, IT'S, YOU GOTTA, YES.
THAT PARTICULAR PART IS MORE TRICKY, BUT THERE'S SOME OTHER TRICKY AREAS FROM POINT TO POINT.
UM, THAT'S THE WAY I LOOK AT THAT ROAD.
AND, AND THOSE ROADS ARE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE IN THE ROCKLAND AREA, AND THAT'S ONE REASON WHY YEAH.
THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION WANTED TO SEE THAT TRAFFIC STUDY.
I, I WHY DIDN'T THE, WHY DIDN'T THE PLANNING COMMISSION ASK FOR A TRAFFIC STUDY FOR THIS ONE? NOT YET.
FOR ME, JUST FOR ME, WHEN WE DO AN APPLICATION, WHEN THE, AN APPLICATION IS GENERATED FOR US, WE'VE GOT BOXES TO CHECK THIS, DON'T MEET ALL THE BOXES TO BE CHECKED.
VDOT HAS TO HAVE A STUDY SO THEY CAN GIVE US SOMETHING AND THE CHURCH IS GONNA HAVE TO DO IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
I WOULD RATHER SEE THEM DO IT NOW AND HAVE NOBODY HURT OR HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO BE HURT AND IT NOT GO THROUGH THAN TO GET IT DONE.
SOMEBODY DOES IT INCORRECTLY AND SOMEBODY GET HURT.
SO THE BOXES HAVEN'T BEEN CHECKED IN MY MIND.
I HAVE A TOUGH TIME WITH THIS ONE.
BACK TO, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? SO, UH, ONE MORE TIME, MR. WENLING.
UM, SO TELL ME WHAT THOSE, SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION REQUIRED THE RELIANT, I KNEW THE, I KNEW ABOUT THE ROCKLAND ROAD YES.
PROPOSAL OR THE, YEAH, SO THE CR THE PLANNING COMMISSION REQUIRED A, A LOW VOLUME TRAFFIC STUDY.
IS THAT APPROPRIATE HERE OR NO? WELL, THE, IT, IT WOULD, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE APPROPRIATE IN THE SENSE OF THE NATURE OF THE ROADS.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE TWO-LANE ROADS.
UM, SOME PLACES IN ROCKLAND, THEY DON'T HAVE A CENTER LINE.
UM, THIS ROAD, UH, RELIANCE, I DO BELIEVE HAS A CENTER LINE.
IT DOES NO SHOULDERS, NO, THAT I, I CAN THINK OF IN ANY PLACE.
UM, MR. CARTER MAY KNOW THAT CRITERIA, THAT TOP END LIMIT WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A FULL-BLOWN TI AT TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS VERSUS THE LOW VOLUME.
AND THAT'S IDENTIFIED IN, YOU KNOW, VDOT REGULATIONS.
AND SO OUR REPRESENT VDOT S REPRESENTATIVE, UH, AND THE APPLICANTS FOR SHENANDOAH PROPERTIES AND THEIR ENGINEER, UH, UH, MET WITH VDOT AND THAT'S WHAT THEY SUGGESTED YOU DO A LOW VOLUME, UH, UH, TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.
SO THAT'S COMING FROM THEM, NOT FROM US, BUT PLANNING COMMISSION
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COULD NOT, YOU KNOW, WE JUST, WELL, STAFF AND PLANNING, WE JUST COULD NOT BRING THAT FORWARD WITHOUT HAVE HAVING SOME KIND OF TRAFFIC ANALYSIS IN THAT AREA FOR POTENTIALLY IN THAT CASE, IT'S, IT'S, UH, WOULD BE 286 DWELLING, UH, BUILDING UNITS.BUT GOING BACK TO THIS, WE'RE, BUT GOING BACK TO THIS C P HERE.
LET ME, UH, SO ANY TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY, IS THAT A REQUIREMENT THAT COMES FROM VDOT OR DOES THAT COME FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT? WELL, WE, WE TYPICALLY WOULD SEND IT OUT FOR COMMENTS FOR TO VDOT.
TO VDOT, AND THEN VDOT IS THE ONE THAT MAKES THE DECISION.
IF THERE NEEDS TO BE ANY TYPE OF TRAFFIC.
SO FOR THIS C P, THERE WAS THIS, THAT WAS NOT A REQUIREMENT.
WE DID, WE DID NOT BECAUSE IT WOULD'VE SAID SOMETHING IN THE V OTS YEAH.
BUT WE DID GET, WE DID GET THE LETTER FROM PDOT.
SO DID IT SAY THAT WE HAD TO DO AN I A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY THERE? THERE'S, THERE WAS NO REQUIREMENT.
THEY JUST, THEY WERE ABLE TO MAKE, DO THE ANALYSIS ON, IN ONE SITE, SO, AND THEN MADE THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE YES.
THE ROAD FOR SAFETY ISSUES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THE COMMENTS WERE SUBMITTED AND YEAH.
THAT, BUT I JUST, I'M LOOKING AT, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE PACKAGE HERE.
WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED TO US, YOU KNOW, AND I, AND WHEN I, WHENEVER I SEE A, UM, A PACKAGE FROM THE PLANNING, FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION MM-HMM.
THEY, WE HAVE EVERYTHING WE NEED MM-HMM.
LAST THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE, MADAM CHAIR, I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT THAT THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LOCAL PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THAT AREA, IT'S OVERWHELMING, ALMOST FIVE TO ONE WHO ARE AGAINST THIS VERSUS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, AND, AND THAT IS NOT EVEN COUNTING THE PETITION THAT WENT AROUND MM-HMM.
SO I'M JUST, I'M JUST COUNTING THE, THE FOLKS WHO MADE COMMENTS HERE TONIGHT, THE FOLKS THAT MADE, UH, UH, THAT SENT IN EMAILS AND THAT THIS, THIS INCLUDES THE ONES THAT CAME UP UNTIL, I GUESS WHAT, SIX O'CLOCK TONIGHT? YEAH.
I DIDN'T TAKE CARE TO, TO TAKE A LOOK AND SEE WHERE THEY LIVED, TO SEE IF THEY WERE IN THAT AREA.
SO THE, UH, SO IT'S A, IT'S ABOUT A FIVE TO ONE.
I WILL MAKE A MOTION, IF YOU'RE READY.
I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DENY THE CON CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST OF SOCIETY OF ST.
DID YOU VOTE THE WRONG ONE? NO.
OH, THEN THAT'S A, CAN HE CHANGE HIS VOTE IF HE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT? UH, DO WE RE THERE WAS CONFUSION ABOUT WHAT YOU WERE VOTING FOR.
SO SHOULD WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AGAIN? YOU COULD.
THAT WOULD BE THE EASIEST WAY TO CONFIRM IT.
WELL, I WOULD PREFER TO DO IS IF YOU'LL GIVE ME ONE, IF YOU WILL TAKE A RECESS BRIEFLY.
LET ME LOOK IN TO IF WE TO TELL YOU SOMETHING INCORRECTLY AND THEN WE CAN RECONVENE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT OH, ABSOLUTELY.
WE WANNA MAKE THIS RECESS JUST BRIEFLY.
WE'RE GONNA RECESS JUST TO MAKE SURE WE DO THIS RIGHT.
BUT I THINK WE GOT OUR, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO HERE, YOU NEED TO RECONVENE.
WE'RE GONNA RECONVENE THE MEETING.
I'M GONNA CALL THE MEETING BACK TO ORDER.
MADAM CHAIR, DID YOU EVER CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? YES, I DID.
SO WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND, AND FINISH WHAT WE STARTED.
SO, MADAME CHAIR, I MOVED TO RECONSIDER
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THE PRIOR VOTE ON THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THE, UM, SOCIETY OF SAINTS PLUS X PIUS FOR PIUS X FOR THE CHURCH LOCATED AT 2203 RELIANCE ROAD AND IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 11 AS PARCEL ONE.DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND ROLL CALL PLEASE.
MOVED TO VACATE THE PRIOR VOTE ON THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR ST.
AND MOVE THAT THE MATTER INSTEAD BE REFERRED BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AFTER RECEIPT OF THE VDOT STUDY.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND ROLL CALL PLEASE? MR. MAY AYE.
[B.6. Z2023-03-01, Harry Heard, Ordinance to Amend Warren County Code Sections 180-21 and 180-59 Regarding Mobile Food Establishments Operating in Conjunction with Commercial Nursery/Garden Centers or Wayside Stands and Ice Cream Stands Operating in Conjunction with Commercial Nursery/Garden Centers - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator ]
SO OUR NEXT ITEM IS, UH, LET'S SEE, HERE WE GO.Z 2023 DASH OH ONE OH, EXCUSE ME, OH THREE DASH OH ONE HARRY HERD ORDINANCE TO ADMIN, WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION 180 DASH 21 AND 180 DASH 59 REGARDING MOBILE FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS OPERATING IN CONJUNCTION WITH COMMERCIAL NURSERY GARDEN CENTERS OR WAYSIDE STANDS AND ICE CREAM STANDS OPERATING IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE COMMERCIAL NURSERY GARDEN CENTERS.
THE APPLICANT MR. HARRY HEARD CONTACTED PLANNING STAFF TO DISCUSS THE POSSIBILITY OF HOSTING A FOOD TRUCK AND OR ICE CREAM STAND IN CONJUNCTION WITH HIS FARM STAND.
SUCH GARDEN CENTER BUSINESS APPROVED BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN 2018.
WHEN WE LOOKED INTO THIS STAFF DETERMINED THAT ICE CREAM STAND IS NOT A LISTED PERMITTED USE AND MOBILE FOOD ESTABLISHMENT IS ONLY PERMITTED ON COUNTY OWNED PARKS AND RECREATION FACILITIES IN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT.
UH, SO WE INFORMED MR. HERD THAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO A TEXT AMENDMENT ATTACHED TO YOUR PACKET.
YOU'LL FIND A DRAFT ORDINANCE TO AMEND WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION 180 DASH 21 FOR THE ADDITION OF MOBILE FOOD ESTABLISHMENT OPERATING IN CONJUNCTION WITH A COMMERCIAL NURSERY SLASH GARDEN CENTER, OR WAYSIDE STAND AND ICE CREAM CENTER OPERATING IN CONJUNCTION OR I ICE CREAM STAND OPERATING IN CONJUNCTION WITH A COMMERCIAL NURSERY SLASH GARDEN CENTER AS ACCESSORY USE IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT.
THIS PROPOSED TEXT AMENDMENT WILL ALLOW FOR THE OPERATION OF A MOBILE FOOD ESTABLISHMENT AND OR ICE CREAM STAND ON AGRICULTURALLY ZONED PROPERTIES APPROVED BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A COMMERCIAL NURSERY GARDEN CENTER.
THIS AMENDMENT WILL ALSO ALLOW FOR THE OPERATION OF A MOBILE FOOD ESTABLISHMENT ON AGRICULTURALLY ZONED PROPERTY APPROVED BY ZONING PERMIT FOR A BY RIGHT WAYSIDE FARM STAND.
AND EACH INDIVIDUAL MOBILE FOOD ESTABLISHMENT IS SUBJECT TO APPROVAL BY BUILDING INSPECTIONS, FIRE AND RESCUE VDOT AND HEALTH DEPARTMENT THROUGH A ZONING PERMIT PROCESS AS REQUIRED BY THE SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS FOR A MOBILE FOOD ESTABLISHMENT.
UH, SO WE DON'T HAVE DEFINITIONS FOR ALL OF THESE THINGS IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, BUT I DID PROVIDE WHAT WE DID HAVE DEFINITIONS FOR, UM, THERE ARE CURRENTLY ONLY FOUR APPROVED MOBILE FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS AND TWO APPROVED ICE CREAM STANDS IN WARREN COUNTY.
ONLY FOUR CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS FOR A COMMERCIAL NURSERY OR GARDEN CENTER HAVE BEEN ISSUED A PROPERTIES IN THE COUNTY, TWO OF WHICH HAVE EXPIRED WAYSIDE STAND FOR DISPLAY IN SALE OF PRODUCE IS AN ACCESSORY USE PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT.
HOWEVER, THE USE IS TIED SEASONALLY TO THE AGRICULTURAL PRODUCT BEING SOLD AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS FOR WAYSIDE STAND TO REQUIRE THE OPERATION OF THE MOBILE FOOD ESTABLISHMENT TO BE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE SEASON AND HOURS OF THE OPERATION OF THE WAYSIDE STAND.
THIS EFFECTIVELY RESTRICTS THE INDEPENDENT OPERATION OF A MOBILE FOOD ESTABLISHMENT ON AN AGRICULTURALLY OWNED PROPERTY APPROVED FOR A WAYSIDE STAND.
UM, THIS WAS FORWARDED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, MR. HERD, THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL AS HIS, UH, MOBILE FOOD ESTABLISHMENT OPERATOR.
UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.
IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? DO WE HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? NO, MA'AM.
IS THERE THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME AND SPEAK? YES, MA'AM.
LOOKS LIKE YOU CLEARED THE HOUSE.
UH, GOOD EVENING LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
I LIVE AT 9 29 STONEWALL JACKSON HIGHWAY, BENTON MILL, VIRGINIA, AND I'M THE OWNER OPERATOR OF HERDS CEDAR HILL FARM MARKET.
UM, I, ONE OF THE THEMES THAT WE HAVE PURSUED WITH OUR FARM MARKET IS TO SELL PRODUCTS
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FROM THE STATE OF VIRGINIA.AND FOR THE, SPECIFICALLY FOR THE SH UH, SHENANDOAH VALLEY, WE FEATURE, UH, ARTISTS CRAFTSMAN AND, UM, POTTERS, UH, PAINTERS.
UH, AS THAT WE SELL THEIR ARTWORK ON COMMISSION.
I SELL, UH, LOCAL PRODUCE AND, UH, NOW I'D LIKE TO SELL LOCAL ICE CREAM.
THEY, UH, JEREMY BALDWIN IS, UH, APPROACH ME ABOUT PUTTING THE, UH, MARK HIS, UH, ICE CREAM STAND IN PLACE.
AND I, I THINK IT'S A NICE FIT.
YEAH, I WOULD APPRECIATE YOU APPROVING THE, UH, MOTION.
SO THERE WAS NO ONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? NOPE.
IS THERE OTHER, ANYBODY IN? NOPE.
SECOND INVITATION, THIRD CALL.
DO WE HAVE A STA UM, A MOTION COPY? THE PROPOSED FOR MYSELF BACK ON FINDING THAT THE PROPOSED ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, GENERAL WELFARE, AND IS GOOD ZONING PRACTICE.
I MOVE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT.
WITH LAST, THAT WAS OUR LAST ITEM ON OUR WORKING, UH, EXCUSE ME, ON OUR AGENDA.
SO DO WE HAVE AN ADJOURNMENT MOTION? SO MOVED.