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LAW EXEMPTED FROM OPEN MEETING REQUIREMENTS UNDER SECTIONS 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 A, ONE OF THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM INFORMATION ACT, AND ONLY SUCH PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS.
WERE, AS WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION BY WHICH THE CLOSED MEETING WAS CONVENED, WERE HEARD, DISCUSSED, OR CONSIDERED IN THE MEETING BY THE PUBLIC BODY.
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SO WE'RE, UM, GOOD EVENING EVERYONE AND WELCOME TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WORK SESSION DATED SEPTEMBER 12TH, 2023.
UM, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND IF WE WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY CHANGES TO OUR AGENDA, IS THAT CORRECT? WE'RE GOOD.
[B. CUP2013-09-01 Commercial Auto Repair Garage -William (Bill) Long- Dissolution of Agreement for 60' Easement - Matt Wendling ]
SO WE'RE GONNA GO, UM, START OUR FIRST TOPIC FOR DISCUSSION, WHICH IS GONNA BE C U P 2013 DASH OH NINE DASH OH ONE COMMERCIAL AUTO REPAIR GARAGE WITH WILLIAM BILL LONG, MR. WINDLEYGOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UM, THIS EVENING.
UM, I'VE REQUESTED THIS WORK SESSION THIS EVENING TO, UM, DISCUSS SOME MATTERS THAT WERE BROUGHT TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
UH, ON MAY 15TH OF THIS YEAR, WE RECEIVED A REQUEST, UM, FROM DEBERRY ENGINEERING, UH, GENTLEMEN GARY GARDNER REPRESENTING, UM, THE, UH, WASHINGTON GAS TC ENERGY FACILITY, UM, AND DEBERRY ENGINEERS FOR A REQUEST, UH, FOR CONFIRMATION OF PLACEMENT OF UNDERGROUND GAS UTILITIES IN A 60 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY RESERVATION.
UM, THIS WAS, UH, REQUESTED AS A PART OF THE PROJECT THAT THEY CURRENTLY ARE WORKING ON.
IT'S A LOOP PROJECT, 20 MILE LOOP RUNS FROM BRUCE TOWN ROAD IN FREDERICK COUNTY TO THE NINEVA GATE STATION, LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF SUCCESS ROAD IN WINCHESTER ROAD IN WARREN COUNTY.
THE ONLY REPORTING, AND THIS IS, UH, I'M QUOTING THIS FROM THEIR LETTER, THE, THE ONLY REMAINING PORTION OF THE PIPELINE REPLACEMENT OF A IS A 1000 FOOT SEGMENT ALONG SUCCESS ROAD TO THE NINEVA GATE STATION.
IN ORDER TO COMPLETE THE PIPELINE CONNECTION, A PORTION OF THIS REMAINING SEGMENT WOULD CROSS A LONE PINE HOLDING L L C PROPERTY AND A 60 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY RESERVATION.
AND, UH, I'LL GO, COME BACK TO THIS, BUT, UH, HE IS, THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING, UM, BASICALLY TO DO WITHIN THIS IN THE, UH, UH, EASEMENT ITSELF.
UM, THE EASEMENT IS SHOWN TO THE LEFT OF THE, UH, PLATT THERE, UH, PROVIDED TO US, AND THAT IS ALSO SHOWN ON THE PAPER COPY PLATTS, THAT WERE SUBMITTED TO YOU THIS EVENING.
UM, SO AS PART OF THAT REQUEST, UM, THE PROPERTY OWNERS, UM, MS. UH, UH, BILL AND SANDRA LONG ARE REQUESTING THAT THE BOARD REVIEW THE AGREEMENT THAT THEY MADE WITH THE COUNTY AT THE TIME THAT THEY APPLIED FOR THEIR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UH, TO PROVIDE A 60 FOOT EASEMENT FOR FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS, UH, BY VDOT OF THE, OF THE AREA THERE.
UM, VDOT HAD PROVIDED COMMENTS AT THE TIME OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND AS PART OF THE APPROVAL OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UM, THOSE, UH, THAT AGREEMENT MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT WAS, WAS MADE BETWEEN MR. LONG AND THE COUNTY, AND THAT WAS RECORDED, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH RIGHT NOW.
IT'S AN AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY, UH, TO PROVIDE A 60 FOOT EASEMENT.
UH, I SENT THAT OR REQUEST THE, THE INFORMATION OUT TO VDOT TO GET THEIR COMMENTS AND I'LL PARAPHRASE SOME OF WHAT WAS SAID IN THEIR COMMENTS.
UH, THEY REVIEWED THE REQUEST,
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THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST.THEY DO NOT SUPPORT DISSOLVING THE JOINT ACCESS E EASEMENT, HOWEVER, THEY HAVE NO OBJECTIONS TO THE INSTALLATION OF A GAS LINE IF INSTALLED, TO ACCOMMODATE A JOINT ENTRANCE AND FUTURE WIDENING PROPOSED BY THE WARREN COUNTY, UH, ROUTE 3 45 22 CORRIDOR TRANSPORTATION PLAN, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE HERE.
UM, THE EXISTING ENTRANCE SHOULD BE REMOVED IN A JOINT ENTRANCE CONSTRUCTED TO POSSIBLY SERVE THE GARAGE GAS SUBSTATION AND SLATE RUN DEVELOPMENT.
THEY ALSO MENTION, UH, WE RE WE ALSO RECOMMEND THE EXISTING CROSSOVER BE REMOVED OR MODIFIED TO RESTRICT ACCESS TO THIS NEW ENTRANCE SINCE IT WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ALIGN WITH THE EXISTING CROSSOVER.
IF THE COUNTY PLAN CONNECTION BETWEEN WINTER'S COURT AND SUCCESS COMES TO FRUITION SUCCESS ROAD AND THE CROSSOVER MAY SHIFT NORTH TO ALIGN WITH THE ENTRANCE.
SO WE'LL JUST KIND OF TAKE A LOOK AT THIS.
LET ME GET MY, MY, UH, LASER POINTER OUT.
I WAS TOLD I HAD TO USE A USE THIS.
SO IS IT NOT GOING TO SHOW UP? OH, OH, SH OH, WELL, OKAY.
I'LL JUST POINT TO BEAR WITH ME.
SO RIGHT HERE IS THAT ANSWER THAT IT'S IN QUESTION, UH, SUCCESS ROAD IS HERE AND WE'LL GO TO ANOTHER COUPLE MAPS THAT WILL IDENTIFY THAT.
AND THEN FAIR ROAD GROUND ROAD HERE IS HERE.
AND THEN THIS IS THE PROPOSED CROSSOVER, SINGLE ONE THAT, UH, UH, INTERSECTION AND THIS LONG PROPERTY WAS HERE TO THE NORTH.
UM, THIS IS GOING DOWN, UH, AND THIS IS, UH, JUNE 13TH.
LEMME MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND.
UH, YOU, THE, UH, UM, THAT ONE PORTION THERE THAT, UH, COMES FROM FAIRGROUND ROAD, IS THAT GONNA BE AN EXTENSION THAT GOES UP SO THAT A PORTION OF THAT IS NOW WINTER'S COURT AND THAT GOES DOWN AND STOPS BEHIND THE REGIONAL JAIL THAT PROVIDES ACCESS TO FOUR PARCELS? CAN CAN YOU GO OVER THERE AND POINT THAT OUT? SURE.
UH, SO RIGHT HERE, THIS AREA HERE IS WINTER'S COURT.
AND THIS, THERE'S NOTHING HERE EXCEPT FOR CISCO IN THE WAREHOUSE.
AND THERE'S A PORTION OF SUCCESS ROAD.
IT'S A ONE LANE ACCESS ROAD THAT GOES DOWN THE CREATIVE COATING, WHICH IS A, A WAREHOUSE BUSINESS FACILITY.
THERE IT STOPS, BASICALLY SUCCESS ROAD STOPS IN, UH, UH, CISCO'S BACK PARKING AREA OF THEIR, OF THEIR WAREHOUSE AND DISTRIBUTION FACILITY.
SO HOW ABOUT WEST OF THERE? IF YOU, IF YOU FOLLOW UP WHERE YOU SHOWED SUCCESS ROAD.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S SOUTH OF THERE.
UH, AND YOU GO WEST THIS YEAH, THAT, THAT'S RIGHT.
WHAT'S THAT RIGHT THERE? JUST THE PROPOSED PAPER, UH, ROAD RIGHT THERE.
THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE HAVE THERE.
IT'S ALL AGRICULTURAL, UH, AND FUTURE LAND USE FOR INVESTORS.
SO THEN THOSE ARE PROPOSED ROADS.
THE ONES COMING OFF OF, UM, CORRECT.
ALL OF THIS ARE PROPOSED AND, SORRY, IT'S KIND OF PIXELATING WITH OUR, UH, UH, LET'S SEE.
SO THERE WE HAVE AGAIN, THIS IS, UH, MR. LONG'S PROPERTY HERE, UH, SHOWING THE CURRENT ENTRANCE AND THEN THE 60 FOOT RIGHT AWAY TO THE, TO THE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THIS IS THE PROPOSAL BY THE GAS COMPANY FOR, UM, PUTTING IN THE, UH, THE, UM, GAS LINE TO SERVE THE, THE, UH, GATE STATION THAT THEY, THEY CALL IT MR. WEDLING.
MR. WEDLING, I'M SORRY, BEFORE YOU MOVE ON.
HOW MUCH OF THE, HOW, HOW MANY OF, HOW MANY FEET OF THE 60 FEET IS THE GAS LINE PROPOSING TO TAKE UP? GOOD
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QUESTION.AND RIGHT THERE IS OUR
SO, UH, THIS WAS, UH, SUBMITTED TO US BY DEBERRY.
AND, UM, THEY DO HAVE A, AN ENTRANCE, AN EASEMENT THERE, TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT TO THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THE DEPTH, I, I CAN'T REALLY TELL THE DEPTH ON THAT.
NOW, DON'T THEY HAVE TO BE DEEP ENOUGH TO WHERE THINGS CAN HAPPEN OVER THAT, THAT, UH, EASEMENT PRODUCT? I MEAN, THAT'S THE WAY I'VE SEEN TO HAVE READ IT THAT WAY.
YOU MEAN DEEP ENOUGH AS FAR AS, UH, GOING DEEP ENOUGH UNDERGROUND TO WHERE THEY CAN ACTUALLY WORK OVER THE TOP? YEAH, I, I WOULD ASSUME THEY, THEY PROBABLY HAVE SOME STANDARDS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR THAT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE THAT INFORMATION ON THERE.
UM, BUT IT DOES, UH, DOES IDENTIFY THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THERE AND OKAY.
SO, SO YEAH, IT, I'M, I'M LOOKING AT IT HERE.
CLOSE UP AND YEAH, IT'S ABOUT 75 FEET IN DEPTH, 25 FEET IN WIDTH, AND THEN IT WOULD HAVE A TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT TO THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH WOULD BE ACTUALLY IN FRONT OF MR. LONG'S, UH, GARAGE IS, I THINK IT'S A FOUR OR FIVE BAY GARAGE THERE.
SO THAT WOULD BE A TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT THAT THEY WOULD HAVE THERE.
SO, UM, AND THEN THEY WOULD ALSO HAVE A TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT JUST BEYOND THAT, KIND OF AS A LAY DOWN AREA FOR THE, UH, THE INSTALLATION AND THE WORK THAT'S BEING DONE.
SO THE PERM MORE PERMANENT IS YOUR 25 X 75 AREA.
GOING AWAY FROM WINCHESTER ROAD.
YEAH, SO IT'S 25 TO SEVEN, IS THAT OKAY? ALRIGHT.
AND SO WHEN WE GOT THIS APPLICA THIS, THIS IN, UH, INQUIRY, I DECIDED TO GO AHEAD AND JUST PULL UP OUR MAPS AND KIND OF TAKE A LOOK AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND IT.
UM, AND THESE HAVE ALL BEEN INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET, UH, AS THE COUNTY FLOODPLAIN MANAGER, I ALWAYS THINK KIND OF, OKAY, WHERE'S THE FLOOD PLAN IN RELATION TO THIS? SO YOU SEE, UH, TO THE LEFT OF THAT IMAGE IS THE, IN THE CROSS HATCHED AREA.
THAT'S YOUR FLOODPLAIN IN THAT AREA.
AND THE PORTION DIRECTLY BEHIND LONE STAR HOLDINGS IS PROBABLY THE WIDEST PART OF CROOKED RUN, GOING NORTH AND SOUTH, UH, OF THE COUNTY DOWN TO, UH, TO THE SHENANDOAH RIVER AND UP TO FREDERICK COUNTY.
UM, THE OTHER LINES ARE THE GAS LINE EASEMENT.
YOU SEE THOSE LINES GOING EAST, WEST, THOSE ARE GAS LINE EASEMENTS.
AND THEN THE, THE NATURAL GAS SUBSTATION IS JUST TO THE SOUTH OF MR. LONG'S PROPERTY.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE CURRENT ZONING, WHAT WE HAVE, UM, PARASITE, UH, THE 10,000 SQUARE FOOT WAREHOUSE IS JUST TO THE SOUTH OF THE, THE GAS STATION, THE, THE NATURAL GAS STATION.
UM, YOU'LL NOTE THE ONE, UH, LABEL, THE END OF THE PLATTED RIGHT AWAY FOR SUCCESS ROAD DRIVE, UM, THAT REALLY COMES KIND OF TO CISCO.
BUT THERE, IT, IT DEAD ENDS THERE.
THERE'S A CUL-DE-SAC AND, UH, THERE'S NOT REALLY A THROUGH ROAD AREA.
YOU CAN SEE THAT ONE, UH, ADDRESS POINT JUST TO THE EAST.
THEY BUILT A WAREHOUSE RIGHT THERE.
SO I, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT CONNECTION BETWEEN WINNERS COURT THROUGH CISCO TO SUCCESS ROAD WILL EVER REALLY COME TO FRUITION.
IT LITERALLY WOULD HAVE TO COME THROUGH, YOU KNOW, SOMEHOW THROUGH THAT OR TO THE VERY EAST PART OF THAT, UH, AGRICULTURAL PROPERTY THERE, JUST NORTH OF THE, THE LABEL THERE.
UM, I MEAN, IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE DONE.
THAT WOULD BE, AND THAT WOULD BE GOING OVER THE POWER LINE EASEMENT THERE.
I'LL JUST, I GOT A COUPLE MORE.
YOU CAN SEE THE AREA BEHIND, UM, UH, MR. LONG'S PROPERTY AND REALLY GOING PARALLEL WITH WINCHESTER ROAD.
A LOT OF STEEP SLOPE, UH, TOPOGRAPHY THERE ADJACENT TO CROOKED RUN.
SO, UM, THAT'LL KIND OF COME INTO PLAY INTO ANY DEVELOPMENT OF THAT AREA, WHETHER A BRIDGE OR, OR
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ROAD OR ANYTHING, UH, IS BUILT THERE.AND WE'LL SEE THIS IN A, IN A, IN A MINUTE OR TWO WITH, UH, THE LAND A BAY EXHIBITS FOR SLATE RUN.
UM, THIS IS JUST BASICALLY OUR ZONING, UH, KIND OF SHOWING YOU WHAT WE HAVE AROUND THERE.
SO IT'S SURROUNDED BY, UH, COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL TO THE WEST OF IT.
FUTURE LAND USE IS, UH, INDUSTRIAL AND THAT'S WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE A REZONING APPLICATION IN FOR SLATE RUN FARMS, UM, FOR AGRICULTURAL TO INDUSTRIAL.
UM, THERE'S A SMALL COMMERCIAL LOT THAT THEY HAVE DIRECTLY OFF OF, OR EXCUSE ME, IT'S AGRICULTURAL, BUT THEY'RE REQUESTING IT TO, FOR A COMMERCIAL.
UH, JUST NORTH OF, UM, CROOKED RUN RIGHT OFF OF WINCHESTER ROAD.
AND THAT'S WITHIN THE REZONING APPLICATION.
UM, THIS IS, UH, MOST RECENT, UH, LAND BAY EXHIBIT THAT, UH, UH, THE SLATE RUN, UM, REPRESENTATIVES GREENWAY ENGINEERING HAS SUBMITTED TO US.
AND YOU CAN SEE THERE'S, THERE'S ACTUALLY THREE ENTRANCES.
IT MAY BE ALL COME UP, UH, ENTRANCE ONE.
THEIR PRIMARY ENTRANCE THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS HERE, UH, AT THE FOUR A INTERSECTION.
UH, AND THIS IS THEIR PARCEL THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING TO BE RE COMMERCIAL.
UH, AND THIS IS PART OF HOSPITALITY DRIVE, WHICH IS THE RIGHT OF WAY.
AND THEN A PORTION OF THIS, UH,
BUT IN ANY CASE, THIS IS THEIR PRIMARY ENTRANCE THAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY PROPOSING.
THE SECONDARY ENTRANCE, I HAVE ONE MORE SLIDE THAT WOULD BE HERE AT, UH, THE 60 FOOT EASEMENT THERE DIRECTLY ACROSS, UH, FROM SUCCESS, NOT QUITE, BUT ACROSS FROM IT.
AND THEN IT WOULD FOLLOW THE, UH, THERE ARE SOME SPEED SLIPS THERE, BUT THAT ROAD WOULD FOLLOW IT THERE TO GO INTO, UH, THIS LAND BAY HERE.
AND THEN THE FINAL ROAD, WHICH RIGHT NOW IS REALLY THE ONLY WAY OTHER THAN THERE ARE, THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE WAY UP HERE THAT, BUT THIS IS CABLE DRIVE JUST SOUTH OF PARASITE.
UM, THAT'S, IT'S NO LONGER MAINTAINED, UM, BUT HAS GOTTEN, UH, SOME DEDICATION FOR AREA HERE, UH, PARASITE TO THE PROPERTY.
THIS IS A KIND OF A PIPE STEM FROM A, FROM THE, UH, APPLICANT'S PROPERTY THAT, UH, AND THAT'S PROPOSED JUST FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS ONLY.
THERE'S A BASIC LOT HERE THAT WILL BRING IN THE FLAGSTICK.
SO REALLY AS FAR AS HAVING EITHER YOUR WORKFORCE, YOUR WORKERS AND TRACTOR TRAILERS AND STUFF, THAT WOULD NOT BE A VERY GOOD PLACE, UH, FOR THAT.
SO THIS IS DEDICATED MORE GONNA BE DEDICATED FOR EMERGENCY.
AND OF COURSE, THE APPLICANT OR THE, UH, OWNERS, UH, I THINK YOU OR CAN CURRENTLY USE IT FOR MAKE TRACK, THEY HAVE TO GET INTO THE PROPERTY FOR MAINTENANCE.
SO WE'RE PRIMARILY DISCUSSING THIS INTER OKAY.
SO THE TOP, UH, VIEW IS THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE THAT THE, UH, SLATE RUN APPLICANTS ARE, ARE PROPOSING FOR THE MAIN ENTRANCE TO THAT PROPERTY.
UM, THE BIG QUESTION IS WHO'S GONNA BUILD THE BRIDGE OVER CROOKED RUN? OKAY.
AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY NUMBERS ON THAT, BUT WHEN CROOKED RUN TWO CAME FORWARD FOR A REZONING A FEW YEARS BACK, THERE WAS VAP MONEY AND IT WAS, THE BRIDGE WAS GONNA COST BETWEEN 20 AND $25 MILLION.
AND SO WHO KNOWS WHAT IT'LL COST US NOW.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MONEY IS THAT, WELL, THAT MONEY'S NOT AVAILABLE ANYMORE FROM VDOT, BUT THERE POTENTIALLY COULD BE IN THE FUTURE.
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SO THE LOWER ONE IS THE, UH, PROPERTY IN QUESTION AND THE, THE EASEMENT IN QUESTION.AND, AND THEIR ENGINEERS HAVE SHOWN HOW THAT POTENTIALLY COULD COME THROUGH THE PROPERTY.
YOU SEE WHERE IT IS OFFSET FROM SUCCESS ROAD ACROSS THE ROAD.
AND VDOT HAS SAID THAT SUCCESS ROAD WOULD HAVE TO BE BROUGHT NORTH AND REALIGNED.
THERE ARE CURRENTLY FOUR PARCELS ALONG WINCHESTER ROAD ZONED AGRICULTURAL THERE, WHERE THEY'RE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS.
THREE ARE RENTALS, I BELIEVE, AND ONE IS OWNED PROPERTY OWNERS.
SO THOSE ARE, THE LAND USE RIGHT NOW IS AGRICULTURAL SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING.
UM, BEHIND IT IS, UH, A PARCEL THAT'S AGRICULTURALLY ZONED.
AGAIN, FUTURE LAND USE WOULD BE INDUSTRIAL FOR, FOR ALL OF THOSE PROPERTIES.
UM, AND THEN YOU SEE TO THE NORTH HERE IS THE PARKING LOT OF THE REGIONAL JAIL.
SO, UM, THAT'S KIND OF REALLY WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THIS.
UM, THE, THE ADVOCATE MI THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER, MR. LONG IS HERE AND HE CAN MAYBE FILL IN SOME OF THE GAPS.
UM, I WILL MENTION THAT IN THE TIME SINCE THE C U P WAS ISSUED, MR. LONG DID BUILD A, I BELIEVE IS IT FOUR OR FIVE DAY GARAGE, FIVE DAY GARAGE, WHICH IS JUST ADJACENT TO THE 60 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY.
I MEASURED IT TONIGHT AND IT'S 85 FEET.
SO IT WOULD MEET THE, THE REQUIRED SETBACK, UH, IF YOU KNOW OF THE, OF THE EASEMENT.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, SO THAT IS KIND OF SOMETHING THAT HAS CHANGED.
UM, AND THERE'S REALLY NOTHING ELSE HAS CHANGED UP IN THIS AREA.
UH, MOST OF WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS FURTHER TO THE SOUTH, SO.
AND WITH THAT, UH, I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO, UH, MR. LONG, UM, THE SLATE RUN FARM PROPERTY OWNERS ARE ALSO HERE THIS EVENING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS YOU'D LIKE TO ASK NOW, YOU KNOW, UM, OKAY.
IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS? UM, I DO, I, UM, WOULD LIKE IF, UM, BOTH THE PROPERTY OWNERS WOULDN'T MIND IF I CAME OUT AND YOU SHOWED ME AROUND, BECAUSE THIS MAKES NO SENSE TO ME ON, ON PAPER.
I LIKE TO SEE THINGS IN PERSON.
IT MAKES MUCH MORE SENSE TO ME THAT WAY.
SO IF THEY DON'T MIND, I'M, I'M WILLING TO COME OUT AND TAKE A TOUR TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THIS.
WHEN, WHEN IS THIS PROPOSED TO BE ON? UM, FOR VOTING? IT'S REALLY UP TO THE BOARD AS TO WHEN THEY WOULD WANT TO SEE THAT ON THE, THE AGENDA.
UM, SO WE HAVE TIME TO GO LOOK AND TAKE A, A FIELD TRIP.
I MEAN, THE, THERE, THE GAS COMPANY HAS WORKED OUT A, AN A, A, AN AGREEMENT WITH MR. LONG AND, AND YOU KNOW, BASICALLY SOME OF THE PAPERWORK FOR THAT, IF IT DOES GET APPROVED AND THEY, THEY ARE TRYING TO COMPLETE A PROJECT, SO I DON'T HAVE, BUT I DON'T HAVE THEIR TIMELINE ON WHAT THEY WANNA DO.
SO IT'S REALLY UP TO THE BOARD AS TO WHEN THEY WANNA, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANNA DO A SITE VISIT AND THEN LET ME KNOW.
WE'LL, WE CAN GET IN ON THE AGENDA THEN.
UM, PART OF THIS WOULD ALSO, WE WOULD LOOK AT, UH, AMENDING MAY THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR ONE OF THE CONDITIONS RELATING TO SOME OF THE V DOT COMS IN THE GENERAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WE WOULD LOOK AT.
UH, SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU JUST A LITTLE BIT OFF TOPIC.
WHAT IS THAT PROPERTY THAT IS JUST SOUTH OF MR. LONGS? THAT, THAT'S THE NATURAL GAS, UH, TRANSFER ST.
IT'S, IT'S, I SHOULDN'T CALL IT A TRANSFER, BUT A, A, A, UH, A NATURAL GAS STATION.
IT'S, IT'S, UH, THEY, THEY HAD IT LISTED HERE, BUT, UM, YEAH.
SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE A SUBSTATION.
THINK OF A, A, A YEAH, IT'S A POWER SUBSTATION.
SO WE HAVE TWO LINES THAT, LET'S SEE, WE'LL GO BACK HERE.
SO YOU HAVE TWO LINES COMING TOGETHER ACROSS THE ROAD THERE JUST, UH, THAT'S AROUND, UM, WHERE CREATIVE COATINGS IS AND JUST NORTH OF THE SHENDO VALLEY MOVING IN STORAGE, IT GOES DOWN TO ONE LINE COMES ACROSS AND THEN, UH, SPLITS OUT, FORKS OUT TO ANOTHER TWO LINES JUST PAST, UH, THE NATURAL GAS.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS, SINCE, UH, FRONT OIL DOES NOT SEEM TO HAVE ANY NATURAL GAS AVAILABLE.
UH, I, I THINK IT RUNS A LONG WAY.
AND SO, UM, THE, THE ONE CONCERN THAT,
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UH, THAT WAS, HAS NEVER BEEN BROUGHT UP IS THE PROXIMITY OF CONSTRUCTION FOR A NEW BRIDGE AND A ROAD THAT CLOSE TO A, TO A, A PLANT LIKE THIS.UH, I MEAN, I I, I SAW THE GAS PIPE PIPELINE BLOW UP IN SHINDO COUNTY WHEN I WAS COMING UP AND THAT, THAT WAS A PRETTY SCARY THING.
SO I JUST, IN MY MIND, BUT THAT'S A PERSONAL THING, BUT IT'S JUST FROM A SAFETY PUBLIC SAFETY STANDARD.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT OBVIOUSLY VDOT AND THE GAS COMPANY AND EVERYBODY WOULD HAVE TO ADDRESS AND HAVE IT, YOU KNOW, AS IN THEIR HIGHEST PRIORITY, YOU KNOW, FOR SAFETY, FOR, FOR ANY CONSTRUCTION IN THAT AREA.
SO, SO MATT, OUR, OUR CONSIDERATION IS THAT MR. LONG, 10 YEARS AGO,
MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT THAT WAS RECORDED.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN LEGALLY? DOES ANYBODY KNOW? WHAT'S A MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT THAT'S RECORDED? MEAN? IS THAT A LEGALLY BINDING ARRANGEMENT OR IS THAT SOMETHING ELSE? THE BOARD, IF, IF IT'S GONNA CHANGE, THE BOARD NEEDS TO CHANGE AND THERE'LL BE A NEW AGREEMENT
SO, SO THE AGREEMENT WAS CONTINGENT UPON THE CONDITIONAL USE BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT, THAT, THAT RELATIONSHIP IS WORKING.
IT WAS PART OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
AND THEN IT'S REALLY BASED ON WHEN VDOT DECIDES TO DO ANY OF THE WORK.
YOU KNOW, IF THE WORK, DO WE HAVE THE VDOT COMMENTS? I HAVEN'T SEEN THOSE IN MY PACKET.
THEY WERE, THEY WERE IN, UH, I THOUGHT THEY PUT A, I I DIDN'T SEE IT IN MY PACKET.
DID YOU ALL SEE IT IN YOUR PACKET? IS IT OKAY, IT'S THE V EMAIL.
AND THAT WAS DATED JULY 12TH, 2023.
AND SO THE OTHER QUESTION, 'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA THINK ABOUT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THAT'S UP TO WHOEVER FUTURELY DEVELOPS IT.
WHAT I WANNA STAY FOCUSED ON IS WHAT ARE WE CURRENTLY CONSIDERING, WHICH IS MR. LONG MADE AN AGREEMENT ON A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT MM-HMM.
IT WOULD HAVE TO BE REALIGNED THAT IT WOULD CONNECTED TWO.
SO ONE OF THEM WAS GONNA HAVE TO SHIFT.
WHICH ONE WAS GONNA SHIFT? THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT SUCCESS ROAD ACTUALLY SHIPPED, BEING SHIFTED TO THE NORTH.
SO, SO THAT WOULD ENTAIL, YOU KNOW, PRETTY MUCH KIND OF GETTING ONE OF THOSE PROPERTIES, ONE OF THOSE CURRENT AGRICULTURAL LOTS OR, OR TWO OF THEM OR WHATEVER.
SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO KIND OF DO THAT TO REALIGN IT AND THEN SHIFT THE CROSSOVER UP AND SHIFT THE CROSSOVER TO MAKE THEM ALIGNED.
SO THEN THERE'S A 60 FOOT EASEMENT AND YOU JUST AGREEMENT FOR AN EASEMENT AGREEMENT.
60 FEET, 25 FEET OF THAT EASEMENT IS CURRENTLY BEING TAKEN AND THEY CAN TAKE EMINENT DOMAIN.
SO I, I'M JUST GONNA SAY, LET'S JUST PUT IT ALL OUT HERE.
SO 25 FEET OF THAT IS BEING TAKEN 25 BY 75 APPROXIMATELY.
IS BEING TAKEN BY COLUMBIA GAS.
IS THAT WHO THEY ARE NOW THAT'S, THAT'S, YEAH, THAT'S UH, I THINK THAT'S THEIR NAME.
AT LEAST THAT USED TO BE THE TRUCK NAMES I SAW OUT THERE.
SO 25 FEET, SO THAT'S GONNA LEAVE 35 FEET, RIGHT? YEP.
AND ABOUT, AND IT WOULD BE THEN ABOUT 50 FEET TO HIS, HIS BUILDING ITSELF, THE, THE ONE GARAGE.
SO CAN THE 60 FEET STILL BE USED TO DRIVE OVER BECAUSE THEY, THEY'VE, THEY'VE RUN THIS GAS THING UNDERNEATH OF 5 22 AS WELL.
SO IT WOULD BE A 35, IT WOULD BASICALLY BE A 35 FOOT ACCESS.
THAT'S KIND OF, SO THAT'S WHAT WE ARE CONSIDERING.
SO IT BE AS AN IMPACT TO THE OTHER PEOPLE AROUND IT.
IF THIS IS A REPLACEMENT, YOU SAID THIS IS REPLACEMENT, CORRECT? RIGHT.
NO, THIS IS ACTUALLY A NEW PORTION OF THE LINE, I THINK A NEW PORTION.
IT'S PART OF THE, THE, THE LOOP AND THEN THEY'RE, YEAH, SO IT'S A NEW PORTION AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE REQUESTING THE EASEMENT.
'CAUSE IT'S NOT IN PLACE ALREADY.
I THOUGHT IT WAS REPLACEMENT AND I THOUGHT WELL THEN REPLACEMENT.
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IT'S SO, AND THAT IT, AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT WHERE THEIR REQUEST WAS COMING FROM, IT, THEY NEEDED THAT LAND TO BE ABLE TO PUT THIS NEW, YOU KNOW, PORTION OF IT.SO I HAVE A, SO I HAVE A QUESTION ON, ON BEHALF OF MR. LONG, WHAT'S IN IT FOR MR. LONG? WELL MAY, DO YOU WANNA ANSWER THAT ONE MRS. LONG
WELL, IT'S, IT, IT, IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE IT'S GONNA BE A WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WELL IF, GIVE YOU JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND.
WHEN I, UM, I STARTED THIS, YOU KNOW, 13 YEARS AGO I WAS A FIREFIGHTER FOR WARREN COUNTY AND UH, WAS RETIRING, TURNING 50.
UM, I HAD ALWAYS HAD A SHOP AT MY HOUSE, SO, AND I HAD A SHOP PREVIOUSLY IN TOWN.
SO ANYWAY, THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY CAME UP FOR SALE.
FIRST BANK HAD THE MORTGAGE ON IT AND IT WAS PROBABLY GONNA GET FORECLOSED ON.
AND UM, I WAS ABLE TO OBTAIN IT, BUT DOUG STANLEY WANTED A 60 FOOT RIGHT AWAY FOR VDOT AND THEY WEREN'T PAYING ME FOR THIS.
UM, AND THE WAY IT CAME ACROSS TO ME WAS EITHER YOU GIVE US HIS RIGHT AWAY OR WE'RE NOT GIVING YOU THE C U P.
AND AT THAT TIME, DOUG RAN THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, SO IF DOUG SAID YOU'RE GONNA DO THIS, THEY WOULD'VE DONE IT.
SO THE BANK SAID, WELL IF YOU GIVE UP 60 FEET OF IT, IT DOESN'T MEET THE FINANCIAL REQUIREMENTS ANYMORE.
SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THIS AGREEMENT OF AN AGREEMENT.
SO THAT WAS HOW DOUG GOT AROUND IT SO HE COULD STILL GET IT DOWN THE ROAD.
SO I WAS ABLE TO GET MY FINANCING.
I FELT LIKE I WAS COERCED OR I WAS UNDER DURESS 'CAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.
UM, I WANTED TO GO BACK INTO BUSINESS FULL TIME.
I'D HAD MY SHOP FRONT ROW ACROSS FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
I USED TO RUN OUT AND GET THE FIRE TRUCKS OUT ALL THE TIME DURING WORK.
AND UM, SO NOW, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS IS BOOMING, IT'S GREAT.
THERE'S ALL THESE HOUSES BEING BUILT AND ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO DO IS GET RID OF IT 'CAUSE IT'S ALWAYS BEEN LOOMING OVER MY HEAD.
AND I MAY COME BACK WITH A REQUEST TO PUT ANOTHER GARAGE UP OUT THERE FOR MORE REPAIR BASE AND I'LL EVEN, I ACTUALLY NEED LIKE CORPORATE OFFICE SPACE.
UM, SO IF I DID PUT SOMETHING UP, IT'D HAVE SOME OFFICES IN IT.
UM, 'CAUSE WE'RE KIND OF BUSTING AT THE SEAMS AND WE'RE GROWING.
WE'VE GOT A SHOP IN WOODSTOCK NOW, BUT THE CORPORATE OFFICES IN FRONT ROYAL AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR OTHER SHOPS.
AND THEN JUST RECENTLY THE UM, GAS COMPANY THING CAME UP AND THEY ARE GONNA GET, THERE WILL BE A FENCED IN PORTION RIGHT AT THE FRONT RIGHT THERE NEXT TO THEIR THING THAT'S 25 FEET WIDE, 75 FEET LONG.
AND IT BENDS BACK OVER TO THEIR EXISTING FENCE WHERE IT IS RIGHT NOW.
AND THAT'S ALL GONNA BE FENCED IN.
SO THAT'S GONNA CHOKE THAT ENTRANCE RIGHT THERE DOWN AT 35 FEET.
AND I'LL GET YOU GUYS TO COME OUT, LOOK AT IT.
IT DROPS OFF LIKE A HUNDRED FEET AND YOU'RE LOOKING DOWN AT CROOKED RUN.
SO IT'S GONNA BE A MASSIVE JOB TO BUILD A ROAD THROUGH THERE.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, JUST KINDA LIKE TO GET RID OF IT.
MY WELL'S ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.
I'M NOT HOOKED UP TO TOWN WATER OR SEWER.
UM, THAT'S ONE THING THAT'S IN THAT IF YOU READ THE LETTER, WOULDN'T YOU HAVE TO RELOCATE THAT? WELL, THEY WOULD HAVE TO RELOCATE THE WELL, UM, OR MAYBE HOOK ME UP TO TOWN WATER, WHICH, YOU KNOW, I WOULD BE COOL.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT COSTS.
I KNOW THE TAP FEE IS ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND BUCKS.
'CAUSE I CHECKED ON THAT AT ONE TIME WITH THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, WE JUST WANNA GET RID OF IT.
IT MIGHT BE A NICE PLACE FOR ANOTHER GARAGE IS WHAT I WAS THINKING DOWN THE ROAD.
UM, AT FIRST I THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY, THEY WERE GONNA TAKE A HUGE PORTION.
THEY ARE GONNA DO AN EASEMENT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE END OF THEIR PROPERTY FOR NINE MONTHS THEY SAY, AND THEN ACROSS THE FRONT OF MY PROPERTY FOR NINE MONTHS.
AND WE'RE NOT AT, WE DON'T HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM YET.
UM, WE COUNTER, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY OFFER MADE AN OFFER AND WE COUNTERED.
AND THE DEAL IS, I EXPECT WE'LL GO TO EMINENT DOMAIN, WE'LL GO TO COURT.
AND WHAT HAPPENS IS THEY'LL HAVE THREE PEOPLE AND I HAVE THREE PEOPLE, THEY'LL GO IN AND HEAR OUR CASE AND THOSE THREE PEOPLE WILL COME TO AN AGREEMENT AS HOW MUCH THEY'RE GONNA PAY ME.
'CAUSE IT'S GONNA BE NINE MONTHS OF EXTREME INCONVENIENCE.
THEY'RE GONNA USE MY ENTRANCE, THE EXISTING ENTRANCE THERE TO COME IN AND OUT.
AND THEY'RE GONNA PUT A TUNNEL BORING MACHINE IN THE GROUND AND BORE FROM MY SIDE UNDER 5 22 TO THE OTHER SIDE.
UM, WHAT ARE THEY GONNA BORE FOR? THEY'RE GONNA ADD A NEW LINE.
SO THIS, SO THEY'VE BUILT, THEY'VE BUILT 19 MILES, 1919 MILES AND 4,000 FEET OF LINE.
AND THEY GET A THOUSAND FEET TO GO.
THEY'RE GONNA FINISH IT, YOU KNOW, AT ALL COSTS.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND IF WE GET, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL TAKE YOU TO IMMINENT NO DOMAIN OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL, THEY'RE GONNA DO WHAT THEY GOTTA DO TO FINISH THE LINE.
UM, WE PROBABLY WON'T COME TO AN AGREEMENT.
IT PROBABLY WILL GO TO WHERE IT GOES TO THE COURT.
UM, I GOT THREE OF MY PEOPLE AND WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
UM, YOU KNOW, THEY OFFER ME 10 GRAND, UM, FOR NINE MONTHS OF AGGRAVATION AND THAT PERMANENT EASEMENT SECTION.
AND I'M LIKE, YEAH, WELL, YOU KNOW, ANYWAY.
AND I ALWAYS THINK THEY PROBABLY START LOW, SO WE'LL SEE.
BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT.
UM, YOU KNOW, YEAH, I GAVE 'EM, I DON'T WANNA DO A PRICE.
I REALLY DON'T WANT THE INCONVENIENCE.
IT'S GONNA BE TERRIBLE INCONVENIENCE.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND IT COULD IMPACT OUR BUSINESS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN OVER THERE FOR 10 YEARS.
I REALLY FELT LIKE IT WAS A DIRTY DEAL WHEN IT HAPPENED.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I WAS KIND OF IN THE MODE OF LET'S JUST GET THIS BUSINESS GOING.
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AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT FOR AN AGREEMENT.'CAUSE THE BANK'S LIKE, WELL IF YOU, IF YOU GIVE UP THIS EASEMENT, WHICH THEY WEREN'T PAYING ME FOR, THEY WERE TAKING IT, THEY WEREN'T PAYING ME.
AND I ALSO GAVE VDOT A SIX FOOT EASEMENT ACROSS THE FRONT.
THAT'S THERE TO WIDEN 5 22 TO THREE LANES.
SO WHO KNOWS WHEN THAT'S EVER GONNA HAPPEN.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I DID GIVE THAT UP.
SO IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY, YOU'LL SEE THERE'S AN EASEMENT ACROSS THE FRONT, WHOLE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, SIX FEET FOR VDOT.
IF IN THE FUTURE THEY WANNA WIDEN IT TO THREE LANES.
UM, SO ANYWAY, MY BANK WOULDN'T FINANCE ME IF I LOST THAT SECTION OF THE PROPERTY.
BUT I MADE AN AGREEMENT DOWN THE ROAD THAT I WOULD AGREE TO GIVE IT BACK.
BUT, UM, I DON'T AGREE ANYMORE.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE STAND
SO AT THE END OF THE CAGE MANAGER, THEY CAN JUST
I HADN'T CONSIDERED THAT, BUT, SO I HAVE A, A SIMPLE QUESTION.
UM, SO THIS 60 FOOT EASEMENT THAT WAS DEDICATED 10 YEARS AGO MM-HMM.
AND IT'S A, IT'S AND FOR AN AGREEMENT TO DO AN EASEMENT DOWN THE ROAD.
AND I'M READING YOUR AGREEMENT.
I HAVE IT RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME.
SO, SO HERE WE ARE 10 YEARS LATER.
IS THERE THIS EASEMENT IS, ARE WE GOING TO PUT A ROAD IN THERE? IS THERE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? IS THERE SOMETHING IN THIS SMART SCALE OR, I MEAN, IS THERE ANYTHING, THERE IS NO ACTUAL SMART SCALE PROJECT? NO.
THERE, THERE IS NO PLAN AT THIS TIME TO PUT A ROAD IN.
THE ONLY PROPOSAL IS FROM SLATE RUN FARMS TO USE IT AS A SECONDARY ENTRANCE.
AND THAT'S BASED ON IF THEY GET THE REZONING DONE NOW, UM, THAT WOULD STILL ENTAIL BRIDGING OVER CROOKED RUN.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA BUILD TWO BRIDGES OR ONE BRIDGE.
I MEAN, IT, IT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, IT'S IS A CHALLENGE, UH, IN THE SENSE OF WHERE IS THE APPROPRIATE LOCATION FOR SOMETHING LIKE THEIR LAND USE THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, YOU KNOW? UM, SO, SO DO WE NEED A ROAD OUT THERE NOW? NO.
UM, YOU LOOK AT MATT'S OVERLAY, UHHUH, THE ROAD COMING OFF FAIRGROUNDS, ROAD BRANCHES AROUND LIKE THIS.
AND THEN THE ROAD COMING FROM THAT WOULD PROPOSED ACROSS MY PROPERTY, COMES ACROSS AND THEN BRANCHES OVER.
AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO SPAN TO GET OUTTA THE FLOODPLAIN OF CROOKED RUN.
IT'S GONNA BE A BRIDGE ABOUT AS BIG AS THE NORTH FORK OF SHENANDOAH RIVER BRIDGE.
IT'S GONNA BE A THOUSAND FEET OR MORE.
AND THAT'S HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE GONNA DRIVE A TRACTOR TRAILER OUT OF IT.
SO GOING BACK TO THE VDOT EMAIL SAYING THAT THEY STILL WANT THE 60 FEET, BUT YET THEY WOULD AGREE TO HAVE THE GAS LINE GO UNDERNEATH.
WHY IS VDOT STILL WANTING TO HOLD ONTO THIS, THIS EASEMENT IF THERE'S NO FUTURE PLANS OF ANY IMPROVEMENTS? I THINK BASICALLY THEY'RE REFERENCING THAT 2013 FUTURE TRANSPORTATION PLANNING MAP THAT WE HAVE, THAT WE STILL HAVE IN OUR COMP PLAN UHHUH AND SOME OF THE REFERENCES IN OUR COMP PLAN TO THAT.
UM, I'M PRETTY AWARE THAT WE ARE IN NEED OF A NEW CORRIDOR TRANSPORTATION PLAN TO BE DEVELOPED MM-HMM.
WE, WE BUILT, UH, WELL EEC WAS BUILDING WAS BUILT, BUT THEY HAVE NO ACCESS ENTRANCE ON WINCHESTER ROAD.
THEY ACCESS FROM WINTER'S COURT.
SO THAT'S A PRETTY BIG PARCEL THAT YOU HAVE.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TRUCKS GOING DOWN THAT WAY, BUT IT WAS APPROVED AND VDOT SIGNED OFF ON THAT.
UM, SO, AND CEDARVILLE, WHICH WHICH IS NOW RUSH MARK ROCKLAND ROAD, WHICH YOU JUST APPROVED, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WITH A PROPOSED SHOPPING CENTER FOR ALL THOSE YEARS.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF, UH, CHANGED A LITTLE BIT.
AND WE HAVE NOW ACTUALLY HAVE A PLAN, YOU KNOW, FOR, UH, RUSH MARK AND I'LL BE MEETING WITH THEM.
AND, UH, SO THAT'LL, THAT PORTION WILL BE INCORPORATED A LOT OF THE INTERCONNECTOR ROADS THAT ARE SHOWN AS PARALLEL ROADS.
LEMME JUST KIND OF GET TO THAT.
UH, SO THESE HERE ARE FROM BASICALLY COUNTRY CLUB ROAD AND CROOKED RUN BOULEVARD.
NOW CROOKED RUN BOULEVARD ENDS AT, UH, THE SHOPPING CENTER
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AND THAT'S JUST A PROPOSED ROAD OVER TO, UH, RIAU HOLLOW.UM, AND SO THERE IS STILL LAND THERE THAT'S OWNED COMMERCIAL.
UM, BUT AGAIN, IT WOULD REQUIRE THE BRIDGE.
UM, AND WE'VE BEEN KIND OF PUTTING IT TOGETHER IN LIKE KIND OF PUZZLE PIECES.
SO WE'VE GOT SOME EASEMENTS THROUGH THE MARLOW SIC PROPERTY AND BEHIND, UH, UH, ROYAL FARMS TO THE WEST AND THEN TO THE EAST HERE WE HAVE, UH, THE CAROLINE COURT, I THINK, WHICH IS NEXT TO, UH, MARRIOTT.
AND THEN THERE'S A FEW PARCELS THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S PROPOSED, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT AGREEMENT.
AND THEN WE DID GET, UH, AN AGREEMENT FROM ED DALEY AND, UH, FOLKS AT FRONT ROYAL SELF STORAGE.
SO THEY, THEY HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH US TO PROVIDE THAT ACCESS WHEN THAT ROAD IS READY TO BE BUILT.
AND THEN OF COURSE WITH RUSH MARK, UM, I THINK YOU MEANT ED MURPHY.
I DON'T THINK ED DLE OWNED ED MALE ED MURPHY.
DID I SAY ED
BUT, UH, IN ANY CASE, SO IT'S, IT'S KIND OF COMING TOGETHER PIECEMEAL CLOSER AND TO THE SOUTH OF RIT OF UH, UH, RELIANCE ROAD AND ROCKLAND ROAD.
UH, WE'VE NOT SEEN ANY, ANYTHING RELATING TO THAT ONE.
SO, UM, WHO KNOWS HOW LONG IT MIGHT TAKE FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
BUT THAT'S WHAT PLANNING IS ABOUT.
WE KIND OF LOOK INTO THE FUTURE AND SEE WHAT POTENTIALLY WOULD BE GOOD AREAS TO DO THAT, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT MORE URGENT NEEDS AS THINGS COME ABOUT.
AND, UM, AN URGENT NEED FOR THE GAS COMPANY IS TO HAVE THE EASEMENT.
AND I'M SURE AN URGENT NEED FOR MR. LONG IS TO HAVE, BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THEM THAT.
BUT AN URGENT NEED FOR THE SLATE RUN FOLKS IS TO PRO HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE ENTRANCE TO, TO THEIR PROPERTY.
SO, UM, THAT'S KIND OF THE CHALLENGE THAT WE DEAL WITH IN THIS PLANNING WORLD IS KIND OF FIGURE OUT HOW CAN WE DO THIS AND STILL PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, THE SAFETY, YOU KNOW, ROAD SAFETY AND, AND UM, YOU KNOW, FOR THE PLANNING, YOU KNOW, AND ADHERENCE TO OUR COMP PLAN.
SO HAS THIS BEEN PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION? DID THEY HAVE A VOTE IN ANY OF THIS? SO THE SLATE RUN FARMS, UH, REZONING IS TOMORROW NIGHT AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL, UM, PROBABLY HE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT THEY WILL GIVE OPTIONS AS TO WHETHER THEY WANT TO MOVE THIS FORWARD, UH, OR TABLE IT OR, UH, POSTPONE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ADDITIONAL COMMENT FROM THE PUBLIC.
SO THAT WILL BE TOMORROW NIGHT, BRING NEW COMMENTS.
UH, THEY'VE HAD 'EM FOR OVER THREE, THE T I A FOR QUITE A BIT OF TIME AND THEY HAD SUBMITTED IT TO THEIR STANTON OFFICE FOR REVIEW AND THEY, THE LOCAL RESIDENCY JUST GOT THEM BACK.
SO THEY'RE REVIEWING THEIR COMMENTS.
SO NOT A DEFINED TIMELINE, BUT I WOULD HOPE WITHIN AT LEAST TWO WEEKS, THREE WEEKS.
UM, BUT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO THE PLANNING CONDITION WILL BE NOT TO MOVE IT FORWARD TO THE BOARD WITHOUT THOSE COMMENTS.
I'M SURPRISED IT'S GOING TO YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION WITHOUT
UH, THIS IS THE LAST ONE THAT WAS A BIT OF A CHALLENGE, UH, FOR US IN THAT THERE, THERE WERE WAS A SCOPING MEETING.
EARL VERY EARLY THE APPLICANTS DID MEET WITH VDOT AND DID, DID HIRE A TRANSPORTATION ENGINEER.
THERE WAS A SCOPING MEETING DONE SHORTLY AFTER THE APPLICATION WAS MADE AND THEIR ENGINEER DID HAVE THE, UH, THE T I A IN A, A PRETTY, PRETTY QUICK TIME CONSIDERING.
AND SO VDOT THEN WERE, WAS GIVEN THAT.
AND SO WE DID TRY AND MOVE IT THROUGH THE PROCESS TO THIS POINT IN ORDER TO GET BASICALLY COMMENTS FROM AGENCIES BECAUSE THE, THE REZONING IS NOT FOR SPECIFIC A SPECIFIC LAND USE.
UM, IT IS, THE APPLICATION STATES
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THAT IT IS JUST TO BE INDUSTRIAL, NOT A SPECIFIC LAND USE, BUT THE ENGINEER HAS PROVIDED, UM, I DUNNO IF, I DON'T THINK THIS ONE SHOWS IT.UH, THEY DO SHOW IN, IN A COUPLE OF THE OTHER EXHIBITS THAT THEY'VE PROVIDED TODAY.
THEY DO SHOW SOME RENDERINGS OF POSSIBLE WAREHOUSE AND DISTRIBUTION, UH, CENTERS AND BUILDINGS.
UM, AND THOSE ARE, THOSE HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO, UM, IN ANY CASE, UH, SO AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE, WE'RE WORKING THROUGH, UM, WE'VE HAD FOUR REZONINGS THIS YEAR AND, AND AT THE TIME I'VE BEEN WITH THE COUNTY, I'VE NEVER SEEN FOUR REZONINGS IN ONE YEAR.
SO IT'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGE KIND OF JUGGLING THESE THINGS AND, AND MAKING SURE THAT WE DO GET COMMENTS FROM THE APPROPRIATE AGENCIES.
AND, AND I'M FULLY AWARE THAT YOU WILL NOT WANNA SEE THESE COME FORWARD WITHOUT ALL OF THOSE COMMENTS SUBMITTED.
WELL, I WOULD HOPE THAT YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD NOT WANNA SEE IT WITHOUT HAVING THAT INFORMATION.
I MEAN, THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE THAT COULD FEASIBLY HAVE TO COME COMMENT TOMORROW.
AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HEAR ANYTHING FOR THREE WEEKS AND IT JUST AGGRAVATES THE SITUATION.
AND IT'S NOT LEFT ON THE BACK BURNER TO STEW.
IT, IT HAS BEEN A LITTLE CHALLENGE WITH THIS APPLICATION BECAUSE THE, THE ENGINEERS FOR THE APPLICANTS, UM, HAVE BASICALLY PROVIDED, IT'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT FLUID IN WHAT THEY ARE SHOWING US, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE, THE, THE EXHIBITS, THE LAND BAY EXHIBITS AND THAT KIND OF THING.
AND SO, UM, AS WE GET THOSE SUBMITTED TO US, WE, WE PROVIDE IT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND WE HAD A, WE HAD ONE LAND BAY OR A COUPLE LAND BAY EXHIBITS AT THE AUTHORIZATION ADVERTISE MEETING.
AND NOW WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF CHANGES IN THAT TIME BEFORE THIS MEETING.
SO, UM, NOT TO MAKE ANY EXCUSES, BUT YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN WORK ON THAT.
UH, AND, AND, UH, MR. MEYERS IN IS IN AGREEMENT WITH YOU ON THAT.
HE WOULD LIKE TO SEE FULL COM SET OF COMMENTS.
UM, SO PRETTY BIG PROJECT TOO.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WILL TAKE TIME.
UH, I THINK, UH, MYSELF AND THE APPLICANTS MAY BE UNDERESTIMATED IT A LITTLE BIT ON HOW THAT, HOW LONG THAT WOULD'VE TAKEN.
SO HAS, HAVE WE ASKED VDOT THERE, YOU KNOW, IF WHAT YOU JUST SAID THAT THEY, THEIR EMAIL WAS BASED ON THAT WE HAVE THIS MEMO OF AN AGREEMENT.
HAS ITY ASKED VDOT SAYING IF WE DISSOLVE THIS M O A AND GIVE THE 60, YOU KNOW, UH, FEET OF EASEMENT BACK MM-HMM.
I MEAN THEY PRETTY MUCH DO SAY IT IN THE, IN IN THE EMAIL.
THEY, THEY SAID IN BASICALLY, UH, THEY DON'T SUPPORT DISSOLVING THE JOINT ACCESS.
THEY DON'T SUPPORT IT, BUT THEY SAID THEY COULD PUT THE GAS LINE.
BUT I'M JUST SAYING IT'S BEEN SITTING THERE FOR 10 YEARS AND IF IT'S NOT ON ANY FUTURE PLAN OF ANY ROAD, YOU KNOW, INFRASTRUCTURE DEVELOPMENT OR, YOU KNOW, I MEAN VTT, IS IT GOING TO BE, I MEAN, IS THERE GOING, YOU KNOW, UM, WHAT VALUE DO WE HAVE IN HOLDING ONTO THIS VDOT? RARELY IF THEY, ONCE THEY GET A RIGHT OF AWAY, THEY DON'T GIVE IT UP.
THEY'RE, I MEAN THAT'S JUST, THAT'S THE WAY VDOT WORKS.
NO, BUT IF WE DISSOLVE THIS M O A, THEN THEY GET, THEN HE GETS HIS PROPERTY BACK, BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING WITH IT, BUT THEY DON'T GIVE IT BACK.
THIS WOULD, THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT.
SO THE, AND, AND I'LL JUST MENTION THAT KIND OF THE ALTERNATIVE, THERE IS A THIRD POSSIBLE ACCESS FROM WINCHESTER ROAD TO THE SLATE RUN PROPERTY.
BUT THERE IS A PROPERTY THAT IS CURRENTLY OWNED BY THE FORMER PROPERTY OWNER OF SLATE RUN WHO HAS NOT AGREED TO PROVIDE AN EASEMENT TO SLATE RUN FOR ACCESS.
AND THAT IS ACTUALLY CENTRAL IN THE PROPERTY.
AND THAT'S WHERE CURRENTLY CABELL ROAD, WHICH WAS AN OLD PRIVATE ROAD TO THE PROPERTY IS, IS CURRENTLY, AGAIN,
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YOU'RE GONNA NEED A BRIDGEIS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I WOULD JUST LIKE TO, WOULD SLATE RUN MIND IF I CAME OUT AND LOOKED AT WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING TOO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? VERY GOOD.
[C. Presentation - Delinquent Tax Report - Jamie Spiker]
NEXT ITEM IS A PRESENTATION FOR DELINQUENT TAX REPORT.SO I KNOW I'VE SPOKEN WITH A FEW OF YOU ON DIFFERENT OCCASIONS OF THE DELINQUENT COLLECTION WHERE WE ARE.
I JUST WANNA GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW.
UM, IF YOU NEED MORE NUMBERS, I'LL BE GLAD TO GIVE THEM TO YOU, BUT I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW WHERE WE ARE AT AS OF THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR.
AND DID ALL OF YOU GUYS GET THE POWERPOINT? ARE WE ABLE TO PUT, YOU CAN SEE IT THERE.
CAN WE PUT IT ON THE SCREEN? OKAY.
YEAH, I'D LIKE IT ON THE SCREEN IF YOU DON'T MIND.
WELL WE'VE GOT, YOU'VE GOT BOTH? YEAH.
SO, UM, FIRST I JUST WANTED TO MAKE EVERYONE AWARE OF THAT.
UM, THE CODE OF VIRGINIA ONLY LIMITS ME TO HOW MANY YEARS I CAN COLLECT ON REAL ESTATE AND PERSONAL PROPERTY.
SO WE ARE ALLOWED TO KEEP 20 YEARS WORTH OF REAL ESTATE TAXES FOR COLLECTION.
AND ONCE THEY HIT THAT 21ST YEAR, WE HAVE TO BASICALLY PURGE IT OFF THE SYSTEM AND WIPE IT OFF THE BOOKS.
UH, FOR PERSONAL PROPERTY, WE ONLY HAVE FIVE YEARS, UH, WHICH DOESN'T GIVE US A WHOLE LOT OF TIME TO TRY TO COLLECT THIS, UH, ESPECIALLY IF THE PEOPLE MOVE OUT OF STATE OR IF THEY WORK IN A DIFFERENT STATE, UM, OR DON'T OWN ANY VEHICLES, DEPENDING ON HOW WE'RE TRYING TO COLLECT IT.
IF THEY ARE NOT TIED TO VIRGINIA, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT FOR US TO GO AFTER THEM.
UM, WE ARE DOING PRETTY GOOD IN OUR REAL ESTATE COLLECTION RATE.
I DID PRINT OUT FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS IS WHAT WE HAVE ON THE BOOKS FOR OUR COLLECTION RATE.
SO WE'RE AT 99.95 FOR 2003, AND OUR CURRENT 2022 IS AT 98.47.
THE NEXT, UH, PAGE IS ACTUALLY THE BASE AMOUNT OF WHAT IS DUE FOR EACH YEAR.
THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE PENALTY AND INTEREST, IT ALSO DOES NOT INCLUDE SANITARY DISTRICTS.
THIS WAS STRICTLY FOR THE REVENUE FOR THE COUNTY.
SO I DID NOT DO THAT AS A PART OF THIS PRESENTATION.
WHY WOULDN'T WE INCLUDE SANITARY DISTRICTS? WELL, THAT'S NOT OUR MONEY, SO I WAS JUST INCLUDING WHAT WAS OUR REVENUE.
UM, SO IF YOU, AS YOU CAN SEE, I KNOW THAT, UH, UH, VICKI AND I JUST SPOKE ABOUT THE REPORT THAT'S ON THE WEBSITE.
THAT IS THE TOTAL FOR ALL OF THESE YEARS, WHICH CURRENTLY WE'RE AT ABOUT 1.5, I THINK FOR 20 YEARS.
AND WE'RE ROUGHLY TAXING 30 TO 40 MILLION A YEAR.
UM, WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF COLLECTIONS WITH, UM, T A C S, A LITTLE BIT WITH POND.
UM, I DO FEEL LIKE THERE COULD BE MORE FROM HIS OFFICE, BUT, UM, T A C S IS DOING AN EXCELLENT JOB AND PART OF OUR AGREEMENT WITH THEM ACTUALLY INCLUDES PERSONAL PROPERTY.
SO WE'RE GONNA TRY TO GET THIS TOTAL AMOUNT DUE FOR PERSONAL PROPERTY DOWN WITH THE HELP OF T A C S.
SO WE'RE GONNA TRY FOR TWO YEARS WITH TAX LIENS, BANK LIENS, UM, STATE INCOME, AND ONCE WE'RE NOT ABLE TO COLLECT ANYMORE ON PERSONAL PROPERTY, WE ARE GONNA TURN IT OVER TO THEM.
THEY HAVE MORE TOOLS THEY CAN REACH PEOPLE THAT HAVE ALREADY MOVED AWAY.
SO WE'RE LOOKING TO REDUCE THIS.
UM, WHICH BRINGS ME TO THE NEXT PAGE.
YOU CAN SEE THE PERSONAL PROPERTY IS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER FOR 2018.
WE ARE COLLECTING ON 263,000 AND FOR 2022 WE'RE AT 1.9 MILLION.
AND WE ROUGHLY CHARGE EVERY YEAR AROUND 25 TO 30 MILLION FOR EACH TAX YEAR.
CURRENTLY WE ARE USING STATE REFUND WITHHOLDINGS FOR PERSONAL PROPERTY, UM,
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EMPLOYER LIENS FOR PERSONAL PROPERTY.IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO DO THAT FOR REAL ESTATE BECAUSE WE HAVE NO SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER TO TIE THE PROPERTIES TO THE OWNERS.
WE DO BANK LIENS, UH, D M V STOPS AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW THAT THE, UH, REAL ESTATES ARE SPLIT UP BETWEEN T A C S AND POND LAW GROUP.
AND I WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR APPROVING MY NEW POSITION,
OTHERWISE, WE WILL AUCTION IT OFF TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET OUR MONEY.
UM, WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO DISTRESS WARRANTS TO, UH, TAKE ITEMS TO SELL FOR BUSINESS EQUIPMENT, UH, MAINLY FOR RESTAURANTS TO DO LIKE TILL TAPS.
I HAVE DONE TWO OF THOSE THIS PAST YEAR WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND GOT SOME MONEY ON THEM.
AND OF COURSE TO HAVE T A C S TO HELP US WITH THE PERSONAL PROPERTY.
OUR LAST AUCTION THAT T A C S DID IN MAY WE'RE GETTING AN ESTIMATED REVENUE OF 111,000, AND THEY HAVE AN UPCOMING ONE IN NOVEMBER.
WE DID HAVE ONE SCHEDULED FOR POND, BUT THAT ONE, UH, FELL THROUGH, WHICH, UM, I DO WANNA LET YOU GUYS KNOW THAT, I WANNA REVISIT THAT AT BUDGET TIME WHEN WE GO TO RENEW THEIR CONTRACTS.
I JUST KIND OF WANNA PUT A BUG IN YOUR EAR BECAUSE T A C S IS DOING A PHENOMENAL JOB OF COLLECTION, OF HELPING US WITH COLLECTION AND ANY SPECIFIC NUMBERS.
IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR ANYTHING DIFFERENT, I CAN GIVE YOU AN AMOUNT OF, UM, HOW MANY LIENS WE'VE ACTUALLY HAVE DONE AND SO FORTH.
ANY QUESTIONS? I JUST WANT TO, UM, HAVE A CLARIFICATION.
I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS EARLIER TODAY.
SO, UH, FOR THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX, SO ONCE THE NOTIFICATIONS GO OUT TO, TO THE, UM, RESIDENTS, UH, THEY'LL BE NOTIFIED VIA A, A LETTER OF THEIR GA UM, WAGES BEING, UM, UM, GARNISHED.
NOW, IF THEY DON'T GET THAT LETTER AND THEN SOMETHING, THEY GET NOTIFIED THAT THIS IS HAPPENING, THAT THEY COULD THE CONTACT YOUR OFFICE, CORRECT? RIGHT.
AND SET UP A PAYMENT PLAN OR SOMETHING TO HELP, YOU KNOW, UH, RESOLVE THE, THE, THE ONE TIME, UH, GARNISHMENT OF THE, OF WHAT THEY OWE.
AND SO WHEN YOU LEFT, I PULL IT UP THE LETTER THAT ACTUALLY GOES TO THE EMPLOYERS AND THAT ACTUALLY SPECIFICALLY SAYS, UM, TO CALL THE OFFICE TO SET UP PAYMENT PLANS IF IT IS FOR A LARGE AMOUNT INSTEAD OF TAKING 100% OF SOMEONE'S PAY.
AND THERE'S NO, SO THE EMPLOYER KNOWS TO CONTACT US TO SET THAT UP.
AND, AND THERE'S NO CEILING WITH THAT, RIGHT? IT'S AS FAR AS, UM, BEING INELIGIBLE FOR FOR HAVING A PAYMENT PLAN? NO, NO, THERE'S NO, EVERYBODY, WE DON'T WANNA TAKE ANYBODY'S FULL PAYCHECK 'CAUSE THEY HAVE TO LIVE TOO.
BUT WE WILL DEFINITELY SET UP A PAYMENT PLAN, BUT WE HAVE TO SET THAT UP DIRECTLY WITH THE HR MM-HMM.
AND AGAIN, SO FOLKS COULD JUST CONTACT YOUR OFFICE TO START THE, THE PROCESS.
AND I ALSO, IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, BUT I HAVE, UM, MR. SNOW HERE.
HE REPORTED TO US LAST YEAR, UH, WE WERE THINKING JULY OR AUGUST, UM, WITH OUR INVESTMENT TOTALS OF WHERE WE ARE AT THAT MOMENT.
SO HE KIND OF WANNA GIVE A BRIEF REPORT OF WHERE WE'VE COME FROM LAST YEAR TILL NOW, IF THAT'S OKAY FOR JUST A FEW MINUTES.
AND BEFORE YOU LEAVE, CONGRATULATIONS ON BRINGING THEM THE DELINQUENT TAX REPORT,
LAST YEAR IT WAS OVER 2 MILLION AND NOW WE'RE DOWN TO LESS THAN 2 MILLION.
WE'RE CHIPPING AWAY, WE'RE CHIPPING AWAY AT IT.
SO I'M WATCHING AND, AND THANK YOU FOR THAT.
THANKS FOR HAVING ME, UH, BACK TODAY, UM, AND I'LL KEEP IT BRIEF.
I, I BELIEVE JAMIE DID FORWARD IN THE PACKET TO YOU.
UM, WE WILL LOOK AT THAT, BUT JUST BROAD BASED, UH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE YEAR OVER YEAR, UH, WE'VE HAD ABOUT, UH, 5.25% LIFT IN INTEREST RATES.
I MEAN, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE CONSTANTLY HEARING IN THE MEDIA OF THE NEWS IS INCREASING INTEREST RATES.
THE FED HAS BEEN DOING THIS TO PROACTIVELY FIGHT INFLATION AND TO DO
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THAT SUCCESSFULLY, THEY HAVE TO SLOW THE ECONOMY DOWN.AND SO WE'RE STARTING TO SEE SOME SIGNALS AND SIGNS OF THAT OCCURRING.
AND SO THE LAST FED SPEECH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BOARD OF GOVERNORS WHEN THEY MET INDICATIONS ARE, WE'RE KIND OF IN HOLDING PERIOD.
SO PROBABLY FUTURE INTEREST HEIGHT RATE HIKES ARE LESS LIKELY AS WE PROGRESS INFLATION HAS SUBSIDED.
UM, ONE OF THE CONCERNS HAS BEEN AROUND WAGE GROWTH, AND THAT COULD BE ANOTHER AREA WHERE IT COULD CAUSE, YOU KNOW, A, A LIFTING RATES OR FURTHER SQUEEZE IN LIQUIDITY.
UH, BUT INDICATIONS OF LAST REPORTS, THERE HAS BEEN SOME, SOME RELIEF IN THAT WAGE GROWTH.
SO, UM, BUT THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT WE'RE STARTING TO SEE SOME SLOWDOWN AND LESS LIQUIDITY IN THE MARKET.
UM, CONSUMERS HAVE REALLY CARRIED THE MARKET OVER THE LAST YEAR AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S CONTINUED THROUGH THE SUMMER, BUT A LOT OF THAT EXCESS LIQUIDITY THAT, THAT THEY HAD, HAS BEEN SPENT DOWN.
SO I SAY ALL THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THAT DOES CORRELATE DIRECTLY BACK TO INTEREST RATES.
AND SO THE GOOD THING AS IT RELATES TO THE COUNTY'S ASSETS IS, YOU KNOW, OKAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, NOW WE'RE SITTING IN CASH THAT'S EARNING 5.5 0.3%, YOU KNOW THAT CASH SHIELD HAS CREPT UP.
SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS YEAR OVER YEAR, WE'RE GONNA SEE A SUBSTANTIAL LIFT IN INCOME.
UM, YOU KNOW, ON THE, THE ASSETS HERE, UM, IF I WERE TO LOOK ON PAGE THREE OF YOUR DOCUMENT, THIS KIND OF GIVES YOU A GOOD SUMMARY PAGE THAT KINDA LOOKS AT QUALITATIVE, QUALITATIVE, UM, IN THE GENERAL LAYOUT.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE VERY TOP, THIS IS FIXED INCOME INVESTMENTS, YOU KNOW THAT 10 MILLION 3 0 1, 360 2 87 YEARS TO MATURITY.
SO THAT'S A WEIGHTED AVERAGE OF THE PORTFOLIO.
YOU KNOW, HOW LONG IS IT TILL THEN MATURE? SO THAT'S WHAT THAT 1 3 5 IS COUPON RATE.
WE STILL HAVE SOME OLDER COUPONS IN THERE, BUT WHEN I'M BUYING INVESTMENTS, YOU KNOW, UH, AS OF THE LAST, YOU KNOW, FEW WEEKS EVEN WHERE YOU'RE FINDING VALUE IS ZERO COUPON TREASURIES BECAUSE YOU'RE BUYING 'EM AT A DEEP DISCOUNT AND THEY ACRETE ACCRUE BACK AND AMORTIZED BACK TO THAT THOUSAND DOLLAR PER BOND.
SO WHAT THAT ESSENTIALLY MEANS IS I'M NOT COLLECTING INTEREST, BUT I'M COLLECTING THE APPRECIATION OF THAT BOND BACK, YOU KNOW, HELD TO MATURITY.
UH, AND SO THERE'S A BALANCE OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING THERE.
UM, AND THAT POINTS OUT IN THE YIELD MATURITY.
SO ALL THE ASSETS, IF EACH OF THE ASSETS HELD FROM, FROM TODAY THROUGH MATURITY, THAT WOULD BE THE EFFECTIVE YIELD.
THE 5.8, THERE'S A FEW CALLABLE BONDS IN THERE.
SO IF THEY WERE CALLED, THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THAT 6% YIELD.
WORSE MEANS IF SOME OF THOSE BONDS WERE CALLED, THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE WOULD COLLECT ON THE YIELD.
AND THEN OVERALL, I'LL POINT TO THE FAR RIGHT COLUMN IS QUALITATIVE RATINGS OF THE BONDS, MOODY'S AND, UM, S AND P, THOSE ARE TWO OF THE PREDOMINANT.
UH, BUT THESE ARE THE TWO PRIMARY, YOU CAN SEE THESE ARE AA, UH, PLUS, UH, ON BOTH SIDES.
SO THAT MEANS IT'S PREMIUM INVESTMENT GRADE BONDS FULLY IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE PUBLIC INVESTMENT FUND OF, UH, UH, THE COMMONWEALTH, UM, MATURITY DISTRIBUTION THAT'S KIND OF LAID OUT DOWN BELOW.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE SHORTER END ONE YEAR.
WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, AN, AN ADDITIONAL 4 MILLION IN EXCESS OF THE 6 MILLION THAT IS SITTING IN CASH RIGHT NOW.
UM, IN COUPON DISTRIBUTION, YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, MORE ON THAT, THAT LOWER WEIGHTED, UH, PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE INVESTMENTS BOUGHT AND PASSED, BUT ALSO, UM, SOME OF THE ZERO COUPONS, UH, INSTRUMENTS WE'RE BUYING.
AND THEN FROM THERE, IT'S JUST GONNA BREAK INTO ALLOCATION.
WE MANAGED THREE SEPARATE ACCOUNTS.
UH, ONE IS THE MAIN RESERVE ACCOUNT.
THE SECOND ACCOUNT IS A SCHOLARSHIP FUNDING ACCOUNT.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S, UH, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE COUNTY, UH, THERE'S A, A IRREVOCABLE TRUST THAT WAS OPEN, I THINK IN 2020, UH, THAT SERVES AS A, UM, COLLATERAL PIECE FOR THE D E Q.
SO, UH, YEAH, ALL THOSE ARE MANAGED VERY SIMILARLY.
UM, AS I MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, INCOME, CASH, I, I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, LAST FISCAL YEAR THERE WAS ABOUT 250,000.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING NORTH OF 407 THIS YEAR.
AND THE GOOD FACTOR OF THIS HOLDING PERIOD WE'RE IN, PROBABLY WE'RE GONNA BE IN THIS, THIS, UH, ELEVATED SHORT END CASH AND, UH, LIFTING THE INTEREST RATE PROBABLY THROUGH NEXT YEAR, I WOULD IMAGINE CALENDAR YEAR, UM, IT WOULD RUN FULLY THROUGH YEAR 25 FISCAL YEAR.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANYTHING THAT'S HERE OR, YEAH, THE, I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU.
SO, I, I'M LOOKING AT ALL THE FIGURES HERE, AND IF YOU, IF YOU TOOK ALL THE INVESTMENTS AND THEN MADE AN AVERAGE, UH,
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RETURN ON THESE MM-HMM.AND THAT'S, UM, THAT'S KIND OF SPELLED OUT ON, UH, PAGE THREE.
SO THAT, THAT YIELD TO MATURITY WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU'RE IN FIXED INCOME INVESTMENT, YIELD TO MATURITY IS REALLY YOUR CLASSIFIER AS, WHAT DO I GET HOLDING THOSE THROUGH TO I MATURE.
SO THAT'S PAGE THREE, THE TOP ALMOST DEAD CENTER YIELD TO MATURITY 5.8%.
SEE THAT THERE? WELL, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT BAD.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THE ALL INDICATIONS ARE, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE'S, UH, UH, SOME OF THE ARPA FUNDS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT IN THERE IN CASH.
YOU KNOW, THOSE HAVE PRODUCED GOOD, YOU KNOW, MONTHLY, UH, UM, INCOME PIECES.
UM, I THINK TO TUNE OF 14, 15,000, 30,000, YOU KNOW, OVER THE TWO MONTHS.
SO, UM, ALL AND THAT'S TAKING, THAT'S DAILY LIQUIDITY, YOU KNOW, IT'S THERE.
SO IF THOSE FUNDS NEED TO BE DRAWN, WE CAN EASILY TRANSFER THOSE.
SO, YOU KNOW, CA THE, THE, UH, STATEMENT CASH IS KING IS, IS, IS KIND OF OUT THERE.
IT'S, IT'S VERY TRUE IN TODAY'S MARKET.
THAT WAS THE QUESTION I WAS GONNA ASK.
IF THE ARPA MONEY WAS INVESTED IN HERE.
UM, 'CAUSE WE HEARD AT THE REGIONAL COMMISSION THAT THIS MONEY WAS ALLOWABLE FOR, UM, ACCRUING INTEREST ON IT, WHICH USUALLY DOESN'T HAPPEN WITH GRANT MONEY.
SO THE ARPA MONEY, THE ARPA MONEY IS DIVIDED.
MA'AM, ABOUT 50% OF IT IS NOW WITH THE REGIONAL COMMISSION, AND THEY HAVE IT INVESTED.
AND THEN MR. SNOW HAS THE OTHER HALF THAT WE STILL HAVE IN THE TREASURER'S OFFICE INVESTED HERE.
SO BOTH HALVES ARE INVESTED NOW.
MR. SNOW, CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME LIKE THE RATINGS, THE AA, UM, YES.
PLUS RATING, AND THEN JUST THE AA RATING AND WHY THERE'S A DIFFERENCE? YES.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT, UM, S AND P AND MOODY'S, SO S AND P, THAT'S THE SS AND P RATING THERE, THE AA, RIGHT? YOU'LL ALWAYS SEE THOSE.
THAT'S THE RATING SERVICE, THE WAY THEIR DESIGNATIONS ARE.
SO THE CODE ALLOWS, UH, AS, AS FAR AS ANY KIND OF MUNICIPAL INVESTMENT THAT MAY BE IN THE PORTFOLIO, THAT IT'S GOTTA BE DOUBLE A ON BOTH SIDES.
AND SO THAT, THAT QUALITATIVE NOW, ONE REASON WHERE YOU'LL SEE A DROP, IF IT'S A MUNICIPAL BOND, LIKE I SAY, LET'S SAY IN A CASE IN POINT, IT'S ONE OF THE VIRGINIA RESOURCE BONDS.
UH, IF IT'S, IF IT GETS ESCROWED TO MATURITY, IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S CALLABLE INSTRUMENT, IT GETS ESCROWED, IT'S ESCROWED AGAINST TREASURIES.
THEY MAY NOT, YOU KNOW, PAY FOR THAT RATING KNOWING IT'S FULLY BLOCKED BY, YOU KNOW, BACKED BY THE US GOVERNMENT, UH, AS FAR AS THE INSTRUMENT.
SO, UM, BUT NO, BUT IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
SO THAT, THAT TELLS YOU THE PORTFOLIO IN, IN BROADER CONTEXT IS VERY HIGHLY HIGH PREMIUM QUALITY.
AS FAR AS WHAT YOU'RE INVESTED IN AND THOSE INDIVIDUAL ASSETS, IF YOU LOOK ON, LIKE, SAY PAGE FIVE, THAT'S WHERE YOU'LL SEE A BREAKDOWN.
UH, THERE ARE TAXABLE MUNICIPAL BONDS LISTED.
YOU CAN SEE FAIRFAX, UH, COUNTY, THERE'S A HAMPTON WATER SANITATION.
ACTUALLY, THAT ONE'S ALREADY, UH, IT'S MATURING HERE IN A FEW DAYS.
VIRGINIA STATE HOUSING PUBLIC, UM, BUILDING AUTHORITY.
SO IT'S PRETTY BROAD AND DIVERSE AS FAR AS HOW IT'S INVESTED.
AND THEN A, A LOT OF FEDERAL AGENCIES AND TREASURIES.
UM, SO AGAIN, THOSE ARE DIRECT OBLIGATIONS TO THE US GOVERNMENT.
AND, YOU KNOW, THOSE, THOSE CARRY THE HIGHEST QUALITATIVE RATINGS.
SO, UH, BUT YOU KNOW, AS PART OF OUR ONGOING DUE DILIGENCE, YOU KNOW, WE WATCH THESE AND, YOU KNOW, INVESTED IN THE COMMONWEALTH, THAT'S THE CREAM OF THE CROP.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S, YES, THERE ARE CERTAIN SITUATIONS WHERE YOU LOOK AND, AND YOU WANNA BE CAUTIOUS ABOUT WHERE YOU'RE BUYING.
AND, BUT IF YOU'RE BUYING GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE FULL, UH, TAX, TAX BEING, YOU KNOW, BENEFIT BEHIND IT, OR, UH, YOU KNOW, AAA, YOU KNOW, UH, RATED, UH, UM, ENTITY OR, OR MUNICIPALITY, THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S A PRETTY SOUND INVESTMENT.
IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MM-HMM.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
[D. ARPA Tourism Update - Joe Petty]
OKAY, NEXT ITEM IS THE, UM, ARPA TOURISM UPDATE.THESE ARE DIFFERENT ARPA FUNDS, NOT THE SAME ONES THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, SO LAST YEAR, UH, WE WERE GRANTED SOME ARPA FUNDS THROUGH TOURISM, THROUGH B T C TO IT'S, UH, TO REENGAGE TOURISM AFTER COVID.
AND AT THAT TIME, THE JOINT TOURISM COMMITTEE WAS STILL AROUND, AND THEY
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CAME TOGETHER WITH, UH, PARTNERSHIP WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND TOWN COUNCIL TO ESTABLISH A BUDGET TO USE THESE ARPA FUNDS, WHICH TOTALED $170,000 THAT WERE GRANTED TO THE COUNTY.AND AGAIN, IT WAS GRANTED TO THE COUNTY, BUT COUNTIES WITHIN THE STATE THAT HAVE TOWNS WITHIN THEM HAVE TO WORK WITH THE TOWNS ON THE FUNDING.
SO A BUDGET WAS, THEY, THEY COMPILED A BUDGET.
IT WAS THE RAIL TRAIL AT THE ORIGINAL BUDGET INCLUDED THE RAIL TRAIL ENGINEERING AND DESIGN, UH, VISITOR CENTER IMPROVEMENTS, VISITOR EVENT DEVELOPMENT, EXPANSION OF MARKETING CAMPAIGNS AND MAIN STREET AND LOCAL EVENT ATTRACTIONS.
THEY THEN LATER HAD TO REVISE THAT BUDGET TO INCLUDE THE AF TEX TRAIL.
ONCE WE FOUND OUT THAT THE RAIL TRAIL WOULD NOT HAPPEN WITHIN THE TIMELINE, THESE FUNDS HAVE TO BE OBLIGATED IN A BUDGET THAT IS APPROVED BY V T C, BY DECEMBER 31ST, 2023, ALL SERVICES AND GOODS MUST BE RECEIVED AND COMPLETED BY JUNE, 2024.
AND ALL OF YOUR FINAL EXPENSES HAVE TO BE REPORTED AND COMPLETED BY JULY 31ST, 2024, BECAUSE THEN THE STATE HAS TO DO THEIR FINAL REPORTING BY THE END OF NEXT YEAR.
WITH THAT SAID, SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT SOME OF THESE THINGS HAVEN'T BEEN DONE OR CAN'T BE COMPLETED WITHIN THAT TIMELINE.
ALSO, WITH OBVIOUSLY SOME CHANGES WITH TOURISM.
SO, UH, AT A LIAISON MEETING, I THINK IT MIGHT'VE BEEN THE LAST LIAISON MEETING, IT WAS DISCUSSED THAT I WOULD GET WITH A COUNTERPART AT THE TOWN, LIZZIE LEWIS, TO DISCUSS THIS.
WE'VE KIND OF TALKED, I'VE TALKED WITH HORN, WHO IS THE THIRD PARTY HANDLING THESE FUNDS THROUGH THE STATE ABOUT THE PROCESS.
AND WE KIND OF EXPLAINED WHAT WE WERE GOING THROUGH, HOW DO WE GET THIS DONE? AND SO IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT IS IN YOUR PACKET.
YOU HAVE THE ORIGINAL NARRATIVE, THE ORIGINAL BUDGET, UM, THE LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM THE TOWN, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE UPDATED NUMBERS IN WHICH WE CAME UP WITH.
UH, TOWN COUNCIL HAD A WORK SESSION LAST TUESDAY NIGHT, UM, WHERE THEY, YOU KNOW, I WATCHED THE VIDEO, I WAS HERE AT YOUR MEETING.
I WATCHED THE VIDEO AND THEY APPEARED TO BE, UH, YOU KNOW, SUPPORTIVE OF THESE NUMBERS THAT WE HAD COME UP WITH.
AND THEY WOULD LOOK TO DO THEIR LETTER OF SUPPORT SEPTEMBER 25TH AT THEIR REGULAR MEETING ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
SO THESE ITEMS ARE, AS STATED IN THIS BUDGET, WOULD BE THE AFEC TRAIL.
AND BEYOND THE OBVIOUSLY IDEAS, WE DID A TOUR, WE KNOW WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT DO THERE.
WE'VE REDUCED THAT BUDGET TO MEET WHAT WE CAN GET DONE WITHIN THE TIMELINE AND WHAT'S REALLY FEASIBLE.
AND I'VE TALKED TO L P D A WHO DID THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT, LET THEM KNOW OUR FEEDBACK FROM E P A AND THE IDEAS WITH, YOU KNOW, THE DISCUSSION OF, UM, MR. ANDRE CAME, YOU KNOW, PRESENTED THAT MAYBE HIS PROPERTY, UH, COULD BE A CANDIDATE.
AND THEN WITH NOW SINCE THE RAIL TRAIL.
SO THE IDEA IS THAT WE WOULD EXPAND THAT SCOPE, UM, ALSO AS WE WALK THE SITE TALKING ABOUT BEGINNING THAT DESIGN OF, UH, INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE FOR THE SITE, UH, EDUCATION HISTORICAL.
AND THAT WOULD ALL BE WITHIN THAT BUDGET.
NOW, I WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, AFTER OUR MEETING DOWN ON THE SITE, WE STILL NEED E P A APPROVAL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
SO WE ARE WORKING ON THAT PROCESS TO GET THAT COMFORT LETTER FROM THEM.
SO WE CAN DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
IF WE DON'T GET IT, THEN WE'RE GONNA COME BACK AND, AND TRY AND NAVIGATE THAT FUNDS TO SOMETHING ELSE.
WE'VE STIPULATED IN OUR COMFORT LETTER QUESTIONNAIRE THAT IT'S VERY TIME SENSITIVE AT THIS POINT.
SO, SO THAT'S ON THE APTEX TRAIL, THAT'S ON THE AF TEX TRAIL.
SO WE'VE REDUCED THAT, THAT FUNDING FROM THE ORIGINAL 92 DOWN TO THE 35.
UM, THE VISITOR CENTER REFRESH IS STILL THE SAME AT 25,000, AND THAT WOULD BE THE VISITOR CENTER THERE ON MAIN STREET.
UM, WE HAVE TOURISM EVENT DEVELOPMENT IS STILL IN THERE, AND WE'VE IDENTIFIED EVENTS THROUGHOUT, YOU KNOW, THAT YEAR IN WHICH WE STILL HAVE THAT WE CAN USE.
AND APPALOOZA JUST HAPPENED IN, AND WE WENT AHEAD AND, AND WE DID SPONSOR THAT PROGRAM.
THEY BROUGHT, YOU KNOW, ABOUT 8,000 PEOPLE INTO THE COMMUNITY.
I'VE TALKED TO OTHER PEOPLE WHO I KNOW OWN BMBS AND STUFF, AND THAT'S A BUSY WEEKEND FOR THEM.
UM, SO WE ARE EXCITED TO HEAR THAT.
AND THEY, THEY HAD SOME PRETTY GOOD WEATHER TOO.
UM, BUT THE OTHER EVENTS THAT WE SEE THAT BRING IN THAT TOURISM FESTIVAL LEAVES THE WINE AND CRAFT FESTIVAL WOULD STILL FIT WITHIN THAT SCHEDULE.
UM, THE MARKETING CAMPAIGN EXPANSION, IT WAS ORIGINALLY FOR EXISTING CAMPAIGN THAT MIGHT, THAT 25,000 WOULD
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REMAIN IN TECH, BUT THAT WOULD BE FOR US HERE AT WARREN COUNTY TO BUILD OUR BRAND.THAT WOULD GO TOWARDS ANY DESIGN, YOU KNOW, BUILDING THAT SOCIAL MEDIA, BUILDING THAT, UM, BRAND CATALOG AND A WEBSITE.
SO THAT WOULD BE EXCLUSIVE TO THE COUNTY, SIMILAR TO VISITOR CENTER, BE EXCLUSIVE TO THE TOWN THERE.
AND THEN THE REMAINING FUNDS THAT 65,000 WOULD GO TO THE BENTONVILLE BOAT LANDING.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S FUNDED, YOU KNOW, AND SPEAKING WITH STAFF, YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD FIT WITHIN THAT TIMELINE.
YOU KNOW, IN TALKING WITH THE TOWN TOO, ON THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT IS A HUGE TOURISM BENEFIT FOR ALL OF US.
IT'S ONE OF OUR BUSIEST BOAT LANDINGS.
OUR OUTFITTERS USE IT, WE DIRECT PEOPLE TO THAT SPECIFIC ONE.
SO THOSE THAT, THAT MONEY WOULD BE WELL SPENT TOWARDS THAT IMPROVEMENT.
SO THIS IS WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING, UM, TO V T C.
UH, IF WE GET THE LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM THE TOWN, UM, I'VE ALREADY COMMUNICATED AND SHARED THIS WITH THEM AS A DRAFT THAT THEY CAN EXPECT IT.
OBVIOUSLY WE NEED THAT LETTER OF SUPPORT.
AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THERE IS THAT ASTERISK IF THE E P A SAYS, YOU KNOW, GIVES US A BAD REPORT OR SOMETHING ON THAT.
UM, BUT I THINK EVERYTHING IN HERE WE CAN GET, WE CAN GET DONE.
WE, WE CAN USE THIS FUNDS WISELY.
THE FUNDS HAVE TO COME FROM THE COUNTY.
UM, WE HAVE TO BE THE ONE THAT, YOU KNOW, WRITES THE CHECK AND THE CANCEL CHECK HAS TO SHOW.
WE WANTED TO TRY AND ALSO KEEP THIS SIMPLE BECAUSE IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH OUR SHENANDOAH VALLEY TOURISM PARTNERSHIP MEETING, UH, TWO MONTHS AGO, WE HEARD FROM OTHER REGIONAL PARTNERS AT THE REPORTING SIDE OF THIS IS VERY CHALLENGING.
AND OTHER LOCALITIES ARE EVEN DECIDING IF THEY'RE GONNA FINISH SPENDING OFF THEIR MONEY BECAUSE IT IS KIND OF CHALLENGING AND THEY DON'T KNOW IF THEY'LL GET IT DONE.
BUT THE ONES WHO HAVE DONE IT HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL AND BEEN VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THE MONEY.
SO WE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE GET IT SPENT, SPEND IT WISELY, AND DO THESE THINGS THAT BRING IN TOURISM TO WARREN COUNTY AND FRONT ROYAL.
SO, SO, SO, SO YOU'VE GOT SEVERAL AREAS, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE, THAT ARE LISTED HERE, LIKE THE VISITORS, UH, CENTER, THE, UM, THE MARKETING CAMPAIGN AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE BENTONVILLE BOAT LANDING.
SO THE, UH, HAVE, HAVE, HAVE YOU GOTTEN OUT TO THE, UH, SAY LIKE FOLKS OVER BENTONVILLE AND SAID, OKAY, YOU KNOW, UH, COULD YOU GIVE US A LIST OF THINGS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE IMPROVED AT THIS BOAT LANDING? AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU LIST ALL THOSE AND SAY, ALRIGHT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT, YOU CAN ASK THE, THE BOARD MEMBER SITTING NEXT TO YOU,
I, I WAS GONNA SAY, I HAVE SELF DESIGNATED MYSELF AS THE PROJECT MANAGER OF THIS.
UM, AND I WILL TELL YOU, JUST THIS WEEKEND I GO DOWN AND I PICK UP TRASH BECAUSE, UM, THERE, IN, IN FAIRNESS, THERE IS NO TRASH RECEPTACLE THERE.
UM, AND IF IT WASN'T BEAR PROOF, IT PROBABLY WOULD STILL END UP ON THE GROUND.
BUT, UM, I GO OVER AND I PICK UP TRASH.
UM, JOHN GIBSON HAS HIS STAFF.
UM, HE OWNS DOWN RIVER CANOE COMPANY, WHICH IS SITUATED, UH, RIGHT ACROSS THE RIVER FROM THE BOAT LANDING.
AND HE'S BEEN THERE SINCE 1974.
AND HE IS A GOOD STEWARD OF THE ENTIRE RIVER, BUT THAT AREA AS WELL.
AND, UM, I WENT OVER AND JOHN CAME TO THANK ME FOR PICKING UP TRASH.
AND, UM, HE INFORMED ME THAT A LADY HAD ACTUALLY FALL TRIPPED OVER SOME OF THE HAZARDOUS, UH, TERRAIN, GETTING OUTTA THE RIVER AND BROKEN HER LEG OVER THE WEEKEND.
UM, SO I WENT DOWN AND PICKED UP AS MANY ROCKS AS I COULD.
UM, MIKE BERRY CAME OUT TO OVERSEE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DID NOT BREAK ANY D E Q REGULATIONS BY GETTING ROCKS OUTTA THE RIVER AND OUTTA THE WAY AND CLEANING UP, UM, UM, OUT OF THE, THE WATER AREA THERE TO MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE EASILY TO GET IN AND OUTTA THE RIVER THERE.
BUT, UM, WE'VE GOTTEN, UM, A TOTAL OF 200,000 TO, UM, FROM THE DUPONT GRANT TO DO THE WORK AT THIS AREA.
AND WE NEEDED WHAT, 57, 60 TO 65 TO FINISH IT.
SO, UM, AND THE THINGS THAT HAVE THE DESIGN THERE IS NOT OVER THE TOP.
IT'S, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING WITH THE NATIONAL FOREST.
IT'S A, IT'S AN INTERESTING AREA.
YOU'VE GOT DEPARTMENT OF GAME AND INLAND FISHERIES, DEPARTMENT OF WILDLIFE RESERVES NOW, WHATEVER THEY WANNA CALL IT.
UM, AND THE NATIONAL FOREST ALL OWNED PIECES OF THAT PROPERTY.
AND SO YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH ALL THREE.
AND ACTUALLY WE'VE HAD A VERY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH ALL THREE.
THE, UM, NATIONAL FOREST IS GIVING US, UM, PERMISSION.
I'VE GOT THE SIGNED DOCUMENT, UM, TO GIVE YOU ACTUALLY TODAY.
AND, UM, THEY'RE GIVING US PERMISSION TO USE THEIR LAND AS PARKING LOT
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THAT WILL ACTUALLY SERVE AS A STAGING AREA FOR THEM IF THE MOUNTAIN GETS ON FIRE.UM, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA DO SOME SIMPLE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PARKING LOT, UM, PUT IN ANOTHER, UM, SOME RAMPS TO GET IN AND OUT AND CLEAN UP THOSE AREAS TO GET IN AND OUT.
I THINK ONE SOLAR LIGHT, UM, BECAUSE IT, IF IT FLOODS, IT WILL TAKE STUFF OUT THERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T BELIEVE IN PUTTING ANYTHING IN THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PAY TO REPLACE FOR 25 YEARS.
'CAUSE A FLOOD COULD COME UP FOUR OR FIVE TIMES A YEAR AND WIPE THAT OUT.
BUT, UM, IT IS, ACCORDING TO STEVE REESER FROM GAMAN INLAND FISHERIES, THE MOST USED BOAT LANDING IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA.
SO IT IS A HUGE TOURIST ATTRACTION, NOT ONLY IS USED FOR RIVER USE, BUT THAT'S THE BACK END OF THE STATE PARK.
SO PEOPLE USE THAT AREA TO WALK THE STATE PARK.
IT'S ALSO GOT THE APPALACHIAN TRAIL THAT RUNS RIGHT.
SO, UM, IT'S, PEOPLE USE IT TO PARK AND THEN GO ON THE NATIONAL FOREST.
SO IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A HAPPENING PLACE, I'LL TELL YOU.
UM, SO IT, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAD JUST A LITTLE BIT OF AN INFORMED INPUT ON THIS.
AND, AND I CAN'T TAKE ANY OF THAT CREDIT, BUT YES, THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF PLANNING THAT'S BEEN INVOLVED WITH THIS.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHY WE TARGETED THIS AS A GOOD PROJECT AND A GOOD CANDIDATE BECAUSE IT'S SO FAR DOWN THE PIPELINE AND IT'S ALREADY PLANNED THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO USE THOSE FUNDS AND THAT PROJECT WILL BE COMPLETE.
THEN HOPEFULLY WE COULD GET THE, UH, CANOE RACES BACK.
THOSE THINGS BACK IN THE DAY, YOU COULD NOT GET A ROOM TO, UM, SPEND THE NIGHT IN BECAUSE THEY WERE BOOKED.
UM, AND YOU COULDN'T GET IN A RESTAURANT ON THE, THE WEEK OF THE CANOE RACES.
THE, THIS RIVER WAS ABSOLUTELY PACKED.
SO IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL TO, TO START GETTING THAT BACK.
ALTHOUGH RIGHT NOW IT WOULD BE A CANOE, UM, POWER WALL.
I WAS GONNA SAY, WE, WE NEED TO DO A RAIN DANCE FIRST.
UM, SO JOE, I HAVE A QUESTION.
WE'VE ALREADY SPENT THE $25,000 ON THE VISITOR CENTER REFRESH, RIGHT? ISN'T THAT ALREADY DONE? NO, THE VISITOR CENTER HAD SOME INITIAL WORK DONE ORIGINALLY, BUT THE FA IT WAS NEVER COMPLETED.
SO PHASE ONE WAS, WAS DONE AND WE DIDN'T PAY FOR IT.
IT WAS PAID, BUT NOT THROUGH ARPA FUNDS.
SO WE ARE THEN, THEN THE TOWN IS AGREEING TO THE VISITOR CENTER REFRESH BECAUSE IN THEIR PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEETINGS THEY DECIDED THAT THEY WANTED TO KEEP IT CONFIGURED THE WAY THEY WANTED.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GOING TO STICK WITH THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT AND DESIGN, UM, SIMILAR TO, YOU KNOW, EXPERIENCE WARREN COUNTY, THEY'RE ALSO, THEY'RE GOING THROUGH A REBRAND AND, AND CHANGING SOME THINGS UP.
SO THEY MIGHT HAVE SOME DIFFERENT DESIGN ELEMENTS, BUT THAT WOULD BE UNDER THEIR PURVIEW, SIMILAR TO HOW WE DESIGN EXPERIENCE WARREN COUNTY AND OKAY.
UH, WE'VE ALREADY DONE THE APPALOOSA FESTIVAL, UH, AND WE SPENT 5,000 MM-HMM.
THERE ARE CERTAIN REPORTS THAT ARE NEEDED THROUGH V T C THAT SHOW WHERE ALL THE PEOPLE WERE COMING FROM, WHERE THEIR TICKET SALES.
WE'RE WORKING WITH DAN AND THEIR TEAM TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHERE ALL THOSE TICKET SALES COME FROM.
WHAT ZIP CODES THAT 50 MILE PLUS RADIUS, UM, EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE STAYING.
LIKE I SAID, I'VE HAD FOLKS PERSONALLY TELL ME THAT OWN, YOU KNOW, BMBS THAT HAVE SAID THOSE WEEKENDS ARE BOOKED FOR PEOPLE WHO COME JUST FOR APPALOOSA.
SO WE, WE KNOW THAT THERE IS THAT RETURN.
UM, AND THAT'S PART OF THAT REPORTING PROCESS TO V T C.
WELL, I MEAN I WOULD, I WOULD JUST HOPE THAT IF WE SPEND THE MONEY, WE AT LEAST GET YEAH.
AND THESE ARE CONSISTENT, THOSE NUMBERS TOO ARE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT HAVE THE SPONSORSHIPS HAVE BEEN IN THE PAST.
TYPICALLY, LIKE I SAID, IT'S THROUGH TOWN.
IT, I LISTED TOWN AND COUNTY, LIKE THE FESTIVAL LEADS HAS BEEN TYPICALLY SPONSORED BY BOTH INDIVIDUALS.
BUT SINCE, AGAIN, THE MONEY HAS TO COME FROM THE COUNTY, SINCE WE ARE THE FISCAL AGENT AND HOLDER, IT WOULD COME FROM US, BUT IT WOULD BE FROM BOTH OF US, FROM OUR ARPA FUNDING.
AND THAT HAS BEEN CLEAR TO, YOU KNOW, TO FOLKS AT ASO BE CLEAR TO THE OTHERS THAT THIS MONEY IS FROM ARPA THIS TIME.
I MEAN, WE CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT THAT SAME SPONSORSHIP WILL BE AVAILABLE IN FOLLOWING YEARS BECAUSE
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THIS WAS MONEY THAT WAS GRANTED TO US FOR THESE TOURISM EVENTS.WE DID GET IN WRITING FROM HORN AND V T C THAT, YOU KNOW, SPONSORING THESE PROGRAMS, OUR, UH, PERMITTED ACTIVITY OR AN ELIGIBLE EXPENSE.
SO WE DO HAVE THAT AS WELL FROM THEM.
THAT, AND WE SHARED ALL THAT DOCUMENTATION.
SO THE, UH, 35, UM, THOUSAND FOR THE AB APTEX TRAIL MM-HMM.
SO AT WHAT POINT WILL WE HAVE TO LOOK AT REPLANNING THIS IN EVENT THAT WE DON'T GET A VERY GOOD SATISFACTORY? SO WE, WE, AGAIN, WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS OBLIGATED FUNDS BY DECEMBER 31ST.
SO MY PLAN IS THIS IS THE FIRST PLAN, PLAN A TO GET TO THEM AS SOON AS IT'S SUBMITTED.
I WILL BE THINKING OF A PLAN B JUST IN CASE THAT HAPPENS.
WHAT CAN THAT 35,000 BE SPENT ON? EXACTLY.
YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS, AND OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW THINGS CAN GET EXPENSIVE, THERE MIGHT BE ADDITIONAL THINGS WE MIGHT HAVE TO DO FOR LIKE THE BOAT LANDING OR SOMETHING AS WELL.
UM, SIMILAR TO VISITOR CENTER OR OUR CAMPAIGN EXPANSION.
FROM OUR STANDPOINT, IT COULD BE KIND OF SPLIT IN THAT DIRECTION AS WELL.
UM, AGAIN, I THINK WE DON'T WANT TO GET TOO, WE HAVE TO BE VERY COGNIZANT OF WHAT WE SPENDING ON, 'CAUSE IT'S VERY SPECIFIC AND MAKE SURE IT'S AN ELIGIBLE EXPENSE.
SO IF WE COULD MAYBE KEEP IT WITHIN ONE OF THESE BUCKETS IF SOME OF THEM NEEDED MORE.
UM, AND AGAIN, 'CAUSE OF THAT REPORTING MECHANISM IS CHALLENGING, WE DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE TO DO ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS THAT MIGHT TAKE LONGER OR BE MORE CHALLENGING.
SO THIS IS KIND OF OUR PLAN A, BUT YOU KNOW, I AM THINKING OF A PLAN B JUST IN CASE WE DON'T GET A FAVORABLE LETTER BACK.
WELL, I HAVE A, AN OPTION TO CONSIDER MM-HMM.
I KNOW THAT BELONGS TO THE FEDERAL, YOU KNOW, THE FORESTRY, BUT YOU KNOW THIS, I'M NOT AND THAT'S A GREAT, I MEAN, WE'VE HAD THAT CONVERSATION JUST WE HAD CONVERSATION BEFORE.
YOU KNOW, YOU NEVER KNOW, BUT THAT'S JUST SOMETHING TO MAYBE WE CAN DO SOMETHING WITH THAT.
AND THE, THE ONLY, IF WE CAN'T, IT CAN'T THING I WOULD, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH OF THE 35 COULD WE SPEND WITHIN THAT TIMELINE? RIGHT.
DEALING WITH FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S RIGHT.
AND STUFF IT MIGHT TAKE A LITTLE LONGER UNDERSTAND ALL THE, BUT THAT'S HURDLES.
BUT THAT'S, WE CAN START HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS NOW REGARDLESS OF, OF HOW WE HANDLE THAT.
IF I MAY, JUST TO ADD JUST A SPOT THERE.
WHATEVER HAPPENS WITH THE CONCEPT OF THE AVTEC TRAIL, WHETHER IT'S A PRIVATE DEVELOPER, IT ENDS UP THE E D A DOES IT ITSELF, SOMEBODY FROM THE FEDERAL AGENCY COMES IN AND DOES IT, OR THE COUNTY DECIDES TO PROCEED WITH IT OR THE TOWN DECIDES TO PROCEED WITH IT OR SOME OTHER, THIS COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA DECIDES TO PROCEED WITH IT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT JOE WAS LOOKING AT WAS THAT THIS SURVEY AND UPDATED CONCEPT PLAN WAS GOING TO BE NEEDED IN ANY EVENT.
THAT NOTHING, AND NOBODY CAN MAKE ANY REAL COMMITMENTS UNTIL THAT IS DONE.
SO THIS WOULD USE THE FUNDS TO BE PUT, UH, THE E D A AS THE AGENT FOR THE PROPERTY AT THIS POINT IN THE BEST POSITION TO BE ABLE TO SHOW IT TO OTHERS AS TO WHAT COULD BE DONE AND WHAT IS GOING TO BE ALLOWED BY E P A AND F M C, ET CETERA.
SO V P A, WE GET A FAVORABLE COMFORT LETTER, WHICH I FEEL CONFIDENT WE WILL AFTER OUR TOUR AND OUR DISCUSSIONS.
THIS PLANNING WILL HELP WHOEVER THAT ENTITY IS IN THE END DEVELOP THIS TRAIL FOR, YOU KNOW, TOURISM TRANSPORTATION IN OUR COMMUNITY.
THE INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE PART OF IT WAS A BIG PART OF OUR TOUR AND DISCUSSION.
AGAIN, THAT WILL, YOU KNOW, TELL THAT STORY THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, HASN'T CHANGED.
WE, WE'VE ACTUALLY MET SOMEBODY YESTERDAY WHO WAS AT THE SITE VOLUNTEERING AT CCAP WHO USED TO WORK THERE.
AND THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF STORIES WE ACTUALLY WANT TO CAPTURE IN THIS TOO, TO TALK ABOUT HOW OUR COMMUNITY AND WHAT'S HAPPENED THERE AND, AND WHAT'S GOING ON.
SO THAT'S ALL PART OF THAT DESIGN.
AND THE INTERPRETIVE DESIGN SIGN IS JUST SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SEE IN OUR OTHER PARKS OR THE JOSEPH WARREN PLAQUES THAT YOU SEE IN THE COUNTY.
IT'S, IT HAS THAT DUE DILIGENCE AND THAT HISTORY RESEARCH HAS BEEN DONE AND, AND THEY ARE QUITE AESTHETICALLY PLACING TWO TO KIND OF GIVE THAT PERCEPTION.
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VERY GOOD.[E. Discussion - I.T. Department Staffing ]
NEXT TOPIC IS, UM, DISCUSSION ON THE IT DEPARTMENT STAFFING MR. JONES.I JUST WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE THAT THE, UH, IT DEPARTMENT IS LOOKING AT HIRING A PART-TIME ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT.
UM, WE ARE STARTING TO FALL BACK A LITTLE BIT BEHIND ON SOME ADMINISTRATIVE DUTIES AND PROCESSING PAPERWORK AND WEBSITE UPDATES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE ALSO NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF COMMUNICATING WITH STAFF ABOUT POTENTIAL ISSUES THAT COME UP FROM TIME TO TIME.
AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT BRINGING SOMEONE ON JUST ON A PART-TIME BASIS AT 20 HOURS A WEEK TO, UH, HELP US KEEP UP WITH SOME OF THAT STUFF.
ANY QUESTIONS? IS THAT ALREADY, THAT'S ALREADY IN YOUR BUDGET? UH, THIS BEING ADDED OR IS THIS A, A BUDGET REQUEST? THIS IS, THIS IS NOT A BUDGET REQUEST, MA'AM, BUT WE MAY BE MAKING A, AN INTERNAL DEPARTMENT TRANSFER THAT YOU WOULD APPROVE SOME MONTH.
YOU MAY SEE ONE UP THERE IN INSIDE THE IT DEPARTMENT TO MOVE FROM LINE A TO LINE B.
THAT WOULD INCLUDE IT, BUT IT'S NOT NEW MONEY, A NEW REQUEST IT ALL.
SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO ABSORB WHATEVER COST IT'S WITHIN THE BUDGET.
AND WE DON'T AND IT'S NOT GONNA INCREASE OUR BUDGET THAT WE APPROVED.
THAT'S OUR LAST TOPIC FOR DISCUSSION.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BEFORE I ADJOURN THE MEETING? NOPE.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? I MOVE CHAIR.