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ARE WE, ARE WE GOOD? OKAY.UM, WE GOT A LOT ON OUR, UM, OUR AGENDA.
SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND START WITH OUR FIRST PRESENTATION,
[A. Presentation - Warren County Sheriff's Office ]
WHICH IS THE WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, SHERIFF BUTLER.OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS, INFORMATION INFORM PEOPLE BEEN ASKING ABOUT THE SHERIFF.
SO WE HAVE ACTUALLY PUT A PRESENTATION FOR YOU.
I HAVE BROUGHT MY MAJOR, MAJOR, AL, COULD YOU PLEASE COME UP, MA UH, CAPTAIN COLLINS AND CAPTAIN BROGAN, AND WE WILL GIVE YOU A QUICK PRESENTATION, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT ASK.
WE'RE VERY PROUD OF WHAT WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED.
AND, UH, I THINK YOU'LL SEE THAT IN THE PRESENTATION.
SO I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOU TO MAJOR MUONG.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBER OF THE BOARD.
UH, FIRST PRESENTER IS GONNA BE, UH, CAPTAIN BROGAN.
HE'S GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT COURT SERVICES AND, UH, CIVIL PROCESS.
SO, I WANTED TO GO OVER, UM, THE COURT SERVICES DIVISION, WHICH IS, IS THREE SMALLER DIVISIONS INSIDE OF IT, WHICH INCLUDES THE CIVIL PROCESS, THE COURT SECURITY, UH, AND THE COURT HOLDING.
AND THE CHAIN OF COMMAND IS, IS ON THE RIGHT THERE.
CIVIL PROCESS CURRENTLY HAS TWO FULL-TIME, UH, DEPUTIES ASSIGNED TO THAT DIVISION.
UH, THEY'RE BOTH LAW ENFORCEMENT CERTIFIED AND COURT SECURITY.
CIVIL PROCESS CERTIFIED, UM, SORRY, YOURS LOOKS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, BUT, UM, THEY HANDLE, I WOULD SAY PROBABLY 75% OF CIVIL PROCESS IN THE COUNTY AND TOWN.
AND THEN THE PATROL DEPUTIES WILL PICK UP THE OTHER 25%, WHICH MAINLY IS, UH, TYPICALLY AFTER HOURS WORKING.
SO IF SOMEONE'S NOT HOME DURING THE TYPICAL BUSINESS HOUR, UH, THEN A PATROL DEPUTY WILL GO OUT AND SERVE THE PROTECTIVE ORDERS OR, OR SOMETHING, UM, THAT, THAT'S TIME SENSITIVE.
THIS IS, UH, A GRAPH FROM 2017 TO CURRENT YEAR TO DATE, UM, OF PAPERS RECEIVED, WHICH HAS BEEN 2017.
WE HAD 18,000 PAPERS, UH, COMPARED TO 2022, WHICH WAS 12,700.
SO IN 2020, UH, WE, EVEN THOUGH COVID WAS AT ITS TOP, WE, WE STILL HAD JUST OVER 13,000 PAPERS RECEIVED.
UM, SO IT DID, IT DID PUT AN IMPACT.
COVID DID PUT AN IMPACT ON THE COURT SYSTEM, BUT WE STILL HAD A, A GOOD AMOUNT OF PAPERS THAT, THAT STILL NEEDED TO BE ATTEMPTED AND OR SERVED.
THE COURT SECURITY, UH, DIVISION OF THE COURT SERVICES CURRENTLY HAS THREE FULL-TIME DEPUTIES AND FOUR PART-TIME DEPUTIES.
THEY HAVE A MINIMUM CERTIFICATION OF JAIL.
BASIC MAJORITY OF THEM ARE LAW ENFORCEMENT, BASIC SIX CERTIFIED, AND THEY ALL HAVE COURT SECURITY OR CIVIL PROCE, COURT SECURITY AND CIVIL PROCESS CERTIFICATION, WHICH IN CASE YOU DON'T KNOW, COURT SECURITY AND CIVIL PROCESS IS A YEAR OR IS A WEEK LONG COURSE, UM, THROUGH D C J S THAT TALKS ABOUT CIVIL PROCESS, HOW TO SERVE THE PAPERS, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT, WHAT PAPERS HAVE TO BE PERSONAL SERVICE, WHICH ONES YOU CAN POST ON THE DOOR AND, AND GETS INTO A LITTLE BIT OF LIABILITY OF WHAT CAN COME ON THE SERVING DEPUTY, SHOULD THEY SERVE IT INCORRECTLY.
UM, AGAIN, PATROL WILL ASSIST WHEN NEEDED.
UM, AND COURT HOLDING AND CIVIL PROCESS WILL ASSIST IN COURT SECURITY.
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ALL FOUR COURTS RUNNING, THAT REALLY STRETCHES US TO THE MAX, UH, 'CAUSE TWO DEPUTIES PER COURTROOM PLUS TWO AT THE CHECKPOINT.SO THIS IS A TOTAL NUMBER OF CASES HEARD FROM 2018 UNTIL YEAR TO DATE.
AND YOU'LL SEE A PRETTY GOOD, A PRETTY GOOD DIP OF, YOU KNOW, 4,000 PAPERS IN 2020.
BUT THEN BACK IN 2021, WE WERE UP TO 29,000.
SO AGAIN, COVID COVID DID MAKE A, UH, ITS WAY INTO THE COURT SYSTEM, BUT THERE'S STILL STILL A PRETTY GOOD NUMBER OF, OF CASES HEARD THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
THIS IS DAYS THAT WARREN COUNTY COURTS WERE IN SESSION.
SO THIS IS NOT, UH, AND ALL INCLUSIVE AS ALL THREE COURTS WERE SITTING.
SO ONE, YOU KNOW, ONE TICK MARK COULD BE JUST THAT CIRCUIT COURT WAS SITTING THAT DAY.
UM, BUT THIS IS TOTAL NUMBER OF DAYS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR THAT AT LEAST ONE COURTROOM, UH, WAS BEING HEARD.
AND THEN THE NEXT IS OUR TOTAL VISITORS FROM 2018 TILL YEAR TO DATE.
AND THIS IS CAPTURED ON OUR, UM, MAGNETOMETER.
SO EVERY TIME YOU WALK THROUGH THE MELODY DETECTOR, IT GIVES US A TICK MARK OF HOW MANY, HOW MANY PEOPLE COME THROUGH THAT.
THE COURT HOLDING DIVISION CURRENTLY HAS THREE FULL-TIME DEPUTIES.
AGAIN, THEY'RE JAIL BASIC AND OR LAW ENFORCEMENT BASIC CERTIFIED WITH THE COURT SECURITY AND CIVIL PROCESS CERTIFICATION AS WELL.
THEY WILL STEP IN AND ASSIST CIVIL PROCESS AND COURT SECURITY WHEN NEEDED.
UH, JUST RECENTLY, LAST FRIDAY, WE HAD, UH, A PRETTY, PRETTY ASTOUNDING NUMBER OF PAPERS THAT CAME IN FROM A COURT.
UM, AND WE, IT TOOK EVERYBODY, UH, LUCKILY WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY INMATES, UH, TILL THE AFTERNOON DOCKET.
SO EVERYBODY THAT WAS ASSIGNED TO COURT HOLDING AS WELL AS MYSELF, WERE OUT SERVING CIVIL PAPERS TO TRY TO GET THOSE SERVED PRIOR TO THE COURT DATE, THE MIDDLE OF THIS WEEK.
UH, AND THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SAFETY OF THE COURTHOUSE AND THE INMATES THAT VISIT US FOR COURT APPEARANCES.
AGAIN, THIS IS 2017 YEAR TO DATE, UM, IT'S CUT OFF, BUT THE, THE BLUE MARKERS ARE MALE INMATES.
THE ORANGE MARKERS ARE FEMALE INMATES.
THE GRAY MARKER ARE JUVENILES.
JUVENILES ARE, ARE, ARE DOWN A, A GOOD BIT.
UH, WITH, UH, 2018 WE HAD, OR 2017, I'M SORRY, WE HAD 23 JUVENILES AND 2022, WE ONLY HAD FIVE JUVENILES, UM, THAT WERE BEING YES.
IS THERE A DIFFERENT TO JUVENILES OR, SO THIS, THIS IS, IF WE GO TO N R J D C, SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE REPORTED TO STAY AT THE JUVENILE DETENTION FACILITY, AND WE HAVE TO BRING THEM FOR A COURT APPEARANCE.
THAT'S WHEN WE GET A TALLY MARK ON OUR SHEET SAYING THAT WE'VE, WE'VE HELD A JUVENILE.
DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? I GUESS I, I, SO YOU HELD 23, WHICH MEANS THEY CAME, YOU TOOK THEM FOR ASSISTANCE IN 2017.
SO IN 2017, WE HAD 23 JUVENILES THAT EITHER ONE, THEY GOT LOCKED UP FROM COURT.
SO THE JUDGE ISSUED A DETENTION ORDER RIGHT THERE ON THE SPOT, AND THEN WE TRANSPORTED 'EM TO, IN OUR J D C, OR WE WENT AND RETRIEVED THE JUVENILE FROM N R J D C FOR A COURT APPEARANCE, AND EITHER TOOK THEM BACK OR THEY WERE RELEASED AFTER THE COURT HEARING THAT DAY.
YOU'LL ALSO NOTICE THAT SINCE 2020, THE INMATE POPULATION AS A HOLD FOR COURT HOLDING HAS GONE DOWN.
AND THAT IS, I CONTRIBUTE THAT TO THE USE OF OUR TELECONFERENCING SYSTEM.
UM, BEFORE COVID, IT REALLY WASN'T UTILIZED A LOT, UM, DURING COVID, IT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE MANDATES THAT CAME DOWN FROM THE STATE, UM, PRETTY MUCH SAID THAT THEY WERE GONNA USE THE VIDEO CONFERENCING SYSTEM FOR INMATES INCARCERATED JUST TO HELP KEEP COVID OUT OF THE COURTHOUSE.
UM, AND SINCE, SINCE THEN, THEY'VE CONTINUED TO USE THAT.
SO THAT IS ACTUALLY A HUGE BENEFIT TO US.
SO THESE ARE JUST THE INMATES THAT ARE TRANSPORTED? CORRECT.
THESE ARE NOT THE INMATES, WARREN COUNTY INMATES AT R S W OR THE REGIONAL JUVENILE DETENTION.
SO THESE ARE INMATES THAT ARE TRANSPORTED
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FROM, IT'S A, IT'S A, THAT ARE TRANSPORTED BY US, IS WHAT I'M GETTING AT.NO, SO THIS IS ALL INMATES THAT WE, THAT WERE BROUGHT INTO COURT HOLDING.
UM, OR OTHERS ARE, WE GO TO SPOTSYLVANIA EARLY IN THE MORNING, WE PICK THEM UP, BRING THEM TO COURT, AND THEN WE TAKE 'EM BACK.
SO IT'S ALL INMATES THAT HAVE COME INTO COURT HOLDING FOR THAT YEAR, BUT ONLY THE ONES THAT ARE TRANSPORTED BY US.
IF R S W BRINGS 20 INMATES TOMORROW, IT'S IN THAT NUMBER.
THAT, THAT'S TOTAL NUMBER OF BODIES BROUGHT INTO COURT HOLDING THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, WHETHER IT BE FROM R S W OR US GOING TO GET THE INDIVIDUAL FOR A COURT APPEARANCE COMING BACK.
SO YOU'RE SAYING FEWER INMATES ARE COMING INTO THE COURTHOUSE BECAUSE THERE IS THE VIDEO OF COMMERCE AND THAT ELAPSED THAT HAPPENED.
WHICH COLOR DID YOU ATTRIBUTE TO FEMALE? I'M SORRY, WHAT? WHICH COLOR GRID WAS THE FEMALES? UH, IT'S ORANGE ON MY SLIDE.
I, I WAS, I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID, BUT I'M LOOKING AT THAT THINKING, WOW, WOMEN SEEM TO BE OUTNUMBERING THE MEN IN THIS GRID.
SO JUST FOR, FOR FEMALES IN 2017, WE HAD 455.
SO THAT NUMBER WAS, HAS REDUCED TREMENDOUSLY AS WELL.
THIS IS COURT HOLDING TRANSPORTS.
DALEY AND I WERE JUST DISCUSSING, WAS THE ADULT TRANSPORTS VERSUS JUVENILE TRANSPORTS AND EXTRADITIONS, UM, TRANSPORTS HAVE GONE DOWN A, A GOOD AMOUNT AGAIN, UH, DUE TO THE POLYCOM SYSTEM, THE VIDEO CONFERENCING SYSTEM, UM, AND EXTRADITIONS EXTRADITIONS IN 2022, WERE ACTUALLY ON THE RISE.
UM, WE'VE DONE NINE YEAR TO DATE THIS YEAR, BUT IN 2022 WAS THE LARGEST NUMBER THAT I'VE BEEN ABLE TO COME UP WITH SINCE 2017.
THIS IS JUST THE MILEAGE FROM BOTH OF OUR TRANSPORT VEHICLES, WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH REMAINING, UM, CONSISTENT, UH, FROM 2022, FROM FROM 2017.
OBVIOUSLY IN 2020, UM, WE ONLY PUT ABOUT HALF OF WHAT WE DID IN 2017.
SO WE ONLY PUT ABOUT 15,000 MILES ON THE TRANSPORT VEHICLES, UM, BECAUSE WE WEREN'T HAVING COURT.
SO THEREFORE WE DIDN'T NEED TO GO GET PEOPLE.
JUST SOME OTHER DUTIES THAT YOU MAY NOT KNOW THE COURT HOLDING DOES, UH, WHICH IS D N A COLLECTION.
SO ANYTIME SOMEONE'S CONVICTED OF A FELONY, THEY HAVE A D N A SWAB TAKEN.
UM, WE DO CRIMINAL FINGERPRINTS AS WELL AS APPLICATION FINGERPRINTS.
UM, AND THE CRIMINAL FINGERPRINTS ARE TYPICALLY FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA BE AROUND CRIMINAL JUSTICE INFORMATION.
AND THEN APPLICANT FINGERPRINTS ARE FOR ANYONE ELSE WHO IS REQUESTING, UH, FINGERPRINTS FOR A JOB.
AND THAT NUMBER HAS GONE DOWN A GOOD BIT SINCE, UM, LIKE FIRE AND RESCUE AND, AND THE OFFICE OF E M SS, UM, NOW DO IT AT THE UP STORE ON SOUTH STREET, AND IT'S SUBMITTED ELECTRONICALLY TO THE STATE.
SO, UM, AND THAT'S JUST A GRAPH OF THE, THE NUM OR THE D N A COLLECTION, FINGER CRIMINAL FINGERPRINTS AND APPLICATION FINGERPRINTS THAT WE'VE COMPLETED.
SO, SO BASICALLY WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING US, UH, ON THESE GRAPHS IS THE FACT THAT YOUR DEPUTIES ARE VERY BUSY.
THEY WERE BUSY, THEN IT SLOWED DOWN A LITTLE BIT FROM COVID, AND NOW IT'S BACK ON THE RISE AGAIN.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF, KIND OF RUNNING A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UM, YOU KNOW, OUR EXTRA DISTANCE HAVE INCREASED, SO THAT KIND OF TAKES AWAY FROM, OR NOT TAKES AWAY, BUT INSTEAD OF US HAVING INMATES AT HOLDING, THEY'RE GOING DOWN THE ROAD TO GET THE INMATES.
AND, AND EXTRADITIONS TYPICALLY REQUIRE AT LEAST TWO, TWO DEPUTIES TO GO ON AN EXTRADITION.
SO DOES THAT HAPPEN REGULARLY? EXTRADITIONS? NO, NO, NO.
IF THERE'S NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, THAT WAS THE END OF MY SEGMENT.
ASSUME THE BIG ONE'S, THE BUTTON ADVANCE THERE.
UH, AFTERNOON BOARD, UM, CAPTAIN
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COLLINS, UH, RUN THE, UH, PATROL DIVISION, WHICH IS UNDER OPERATIONS.THERE'S A FEW THINGS WITHIN THE PATROL I'LL, OUR PATROL DEPUTIES, THEY MANAGE A DIVERSE RANGE OF RESPONSIBILITIES.
UH, THEY INCLUDE HANDLING ROUTINE CALLS, EMERGENCY SITUATIONS, UH, EMERGENCY CUSTODY ORDERS, ALONG WITH TEMPORARY DETENTION ORDERS, AS WELL AS SAFEGUARDING RESIDENTS OF THE AND, UH, COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES.
UH, THEY ALSO ATTEND TO ANIMAL CONTROL CONCERNS ALONG WITH ANY JUVENILE ISSUES, EXCUSE ME.
WITHIN OUR DIVISION, UH, WE HAVE OUR, UM, FIVE SERGEANTS, AND WE ALSO HAVE THE COMMAND STAFF AS WELL.
ON THE RIGHT, WE HAVE FOUR PATROL SERGEANTS, AND WE ALSO HAVE A SCHOOL RESOURCE SERGEANT, WHICH IS SERGEANT BURKE.
THE REST OF THEM ARE PATROL SERGEANTS.
UH, FROM 2017 TILL TODAY, WE HAVE CALLS FOR SERVICE RAM.
AS YOU CAN SEE, IN 2017, WE RAN APPROXIMATELY 19,000 CALLS FOR SERVICE UP TILL, UH, 2022, RANGING ABOUT 22 492.
UH, NUMBERS HAVE BEEN PRETTY STEADY.
UH, RIGHT NOW, AS OF SEPTEMBER 18TH, WE'RE RUNNING ABOUT 15,000 CALLS, I SUSPECT BY THE END OF THIS YEAR THAT IT WOULD PICK BACK UP CLOSE TO WHAT WE HAVE.
SO WHEN, WHEN YOU SHOW CALLS FOR SERVICE, THAT'S, UH, SOMEONE CALLS THE, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND SAYS THERE'S A DISTURBANCE, OR LIKE WHAT HAPPENED WITH US, I GUESS SEVERAL YEARS AGO, SOME, UH, SOME KIDS AT TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING CAME AND HIT OUR PARKED CAR.
AND SO THE SHERIFF, THIS WAS PROBABLY ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO, THE SHERIFF CHASED HIM DOWN AND WAS ABLE TO FIND HIM.
YEAH, ANYTIME ANYONE CALLS INTO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, UM, PRETTY MUCH FOR, I DON'T WANNA SAY ANYTHING, BUT IF THEY'RE CALLING TO REPORT ANY KIND OF DISTURBANCE, WHATEVER IT MAY BE, A CALL FOR SERVICE IS GENERATED.
THEY'RE ALL RECORDED THAT WAY.
NOW, IF SOMEBODY CALLS IN JUST TO, YOU KNOW, SPEAK DIRECTLY TO ME FOR SOME RANDOM REASON, NO, A CALL'S NOT GENERATED.
BUT ANY CITIZEN OF WARREN COUNTY AND OR ANY OTHER CITIZEN ANYWHERE CALLS IN OUR OFFICE, THEY WANNA REPORT SOMETHING, THEN YES, WE GENERATE A CALL FOR SERVICE.
NOTHING GETS TRANSFERRED TO THE DO YOU, DO YOU, DO YOU, UH, CUSTOMARILY RUN, UH, EMERGENCY MEDICAL CALL FAR AS PATROL? DOES, DOES A DEPUTY ACCOMP SHOW UP AT AN EMERGENCY MEDICAL CALL? AND IF, IF, WHEN, IF NOT ALL THE TIME, THEN WHEN WOULD YOU DO THAT? IT WOULD NOT BE ALL THE TIME.
THERE'S TIMES WHERE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE MAY HAVE A RESIDENCE, UH, WITHIN ANY COUNTY, UM, THAT WE MAY HAVE A, I DON'T WANNA SAY A WARNING, BUT KIND OF A ADVISEMENT TO WHERE LAW ENFORCEMENT PRESENCE SHOULD BE NEEDED.
THEN YES, WE WILL ACCOMPANY FIRE AND E M SS, UM, ANY TYPE OF CARDIAC ARREST, UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY OVERDOSES, STUFF LIKE THAT.
THEN YES, WE'RE GONNA GO TO THE CALL.
UM, AND I APOLOGIZE, I CAN'T GIVE YOU NECESSARILY A LIST RIGHT NOW OF A BUNCH MORE.
UM, BUT USUALLY, TYPICALLY, IF IT'S GONNA INVOLVE LAW ENFORCEMENT, I GUESS, THEN YES, WE WOULD SHOW UP.
I, THE REASON I'M ASKING IS THAT MY BROTHER HAD A CARDIAC ARREST AND WAS A DEPUTY WHO CAME TO MY HOUSE, AND I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS FOR ROUTINE OR IF THAT WAS JUST CORRECT BECAUSE THERE WASN'T ENOUGH COVERAGE OR WHAT WAS THAT PARTICULAR TIME.
NO, ANY, ANY TIME, ESPECIALLY CARDIAC ARREST.
YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA SHOW UP.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND IT SOUNDS HORRIBLE TO SAY, BUT ESSENTIALLY WE TREAT EVERYTHING AS A CRIME UNTIL IT'S PROVEN OTHERWISE.
UH, SINCE 2021, WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS REPARTNERED WITH, UH, DEPARTMENT OF MOTOR VEHICLES, UH, WE GET INVOLVED WITH THE, UH, TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT GRANTS.
UM, I'M NOT SURE IF SOME OF Y'ALL HAVE SEEN SOME OF THE PAPERWORK COMES THROUGH.
UH, BUT WHAT THESE GRANTS DO, THEY ALLOW US TO ADD EXTRA TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT, UH, WITHIN THAT JURISDICTION WHO APPLIES FOR THE GRANTS.
UM, IT WILL ALSO, EXCUSE ME, IT ALSO GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, REQUEST CERTAIN TYPES OF, UH, EQUIPMENT THAT WILL HELP US THROUGH THESE GRANTS.
UH, WHICH INCLUDE LIKE RADARS, UM, PVTS, UH, LIDARS, YOU CAN GET MIS, MISCELLANEOUS, OTHER KIND OF EQUIPMENT AS LONG AS IT HELPS WITHIN TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT OR D U I ENFORCEMENT.
SO, UH, WE USED DO IT IN THE PAST.
WE STARTED BACK UP AGAIN, 2021.
UH, JUST IN 2021, UH, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE WAS AWARDED, UH, $19,506 IN GRANT MONEY.
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AND JUST RECENTLY WE STARTED OCTOBER ONE.WE WERE REWARDED $22,050 IN GRANT FUNDS.
UH, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE THAT COMES OUT TO A TOTAL OF $86,904.
OF THAT $86,904, UH, $16,011 WAS UTILIZED TO OBTAIN THAT NECESSARY EQUIPMENT, WHICH AGAIN, WAS RADARS, LIDARS, UH, PRELIMINARY BREATH TESTING EQUIPMENT.
AND JUST RECENTLY PORTABLE SAFETY SPEED BUMPS FOR OUR D U I CHECKPOINTS.
THE OVERTIME THAT IT ALSO PAYS, IT ALLOWS THE DEPUTIES TO GET PAID OVERTIME TO COME IN.
UH, IT'S ALL PAID THROUGH THE STATE.
UH, SO IF THEY'RE WANTING OVERTIME, THEY'RE ABLE TO COME IN, DO TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT.
UM, IT'S A WAY FOR THEM TO MAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY ON OVERTIME.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY IT'S PAID THROUGH THE GRANT.
PLUS IT, UH, GETS MORE DEPUTIES OUT THERE.
DO TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT CAPTAIN COL.
IS IT, IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT THEN THE, UH, 86, SUBTRACTING THE 16,000, THAT BASICALLY 70,000 WAS USED IN OVERTIME OVER THE FOUR YEAR PERIOD TO BE ABLE TO ENHANCE THIS PROTECTION? YES, SIR.
AND IT'S FIGURED AT A RATE I HAVE TO GIVE THE STATE A ROUGH RATE, UH, HOURLY RATE, UH, FOR THE DEPUTIES, WHICH OBVIOUSLY EVERY DEPUTY'S PAID DIFFERENTLY.
UM, SO WE DO KIND OF AN AVERAGE, AND THEN AGAIN, I'M ISSUED THE MONEY, NOT ISSUED THE MONEY, EXCUSE ME.
UM, SO THEY PAY US BACK WHATEVER WE USE.
SO DO THOSE, DO THOSE GRANTS COME TO US? TO US TO APPROPRIATE AND TO THE GENERAL FUND? YES.
AND THEN APPROPRIATE OUT, AND THEN THEY'RE APPROPRIATED OUT TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND IT'S PART OF THEIR REGULAR PAYROLL THAT THEY HAVE X HOURS THAT IS PAID FROM THE GRANT.
BUT DO THEY COME TO BACK TO US TO APPROPRIATE THEN OUT TO THEM? 'CAUSE I JUST, I DON'T REMEMBER THESE GRANTS, SO I'M JUST, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING YOU APPROPRIATE THE MONEY BACK TO LAW ENFORCEMENT EQUIPMENT AND OR, UH, SALARIES.
AND THEN, BUT THEY DON'T COME TO US.
EACH INDIVIDUAL GRANT TO DO THAT ONCE IT GOES IN ONCE A YEAR.
THESE ARE ANNUAL HERE, AND ONCE A YEAR THERE IS A GRANT INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET THAT IS ALLOCATED.
I JUST, I'M PERSONALLY DRAWING A BLANK WHILE I'M DOING IT.
THAT'S WHY I ASKED IF IT WENT INTO LIKE THEIR BUDGET LINE OR HOW YES.
BECAUSE I REMEMBER A LOT OF, UH, THE ITEMS, YOU KNOW, THAT WE HAVE LIKE THE 56, WHATEVER, WHAT WE JUST GAVE YOU.
UM, I JUST, I'M DRAWING A BLANK ON THESE.
SO WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS, WE HAVE THE REVENUE AND IT'S OFFSETTING.
WE PUT THE GRANTS IN THE REVENUE SPREADSHEET THAT OFFSETS THE MONEY COMING FROM THE GENERAL FUND.
ONE, WE KNOW THAT WE ARE GOING TO RECEIVE X DOLLARS FOR THIS GRANT, WHATEVER THE GRANT IS, THE FOLLOWING BUDGET YEAR.
AND THEN WE INCLUDE THAT REVENUE AND THAT EXPENDITURE IN THE ORIGINAL BUDGET.
THE SECOND SCENARIO IS THAT AFTER WE HAVE DONE THE BUDGET BUDGET, RIGHT, WE RECEIVE THE GRANT NOTICE OF $22,000, AND THEN WE WOULD THEN DO A REVENUE AND AN EXPENDITURE IN YOUR MONTHLY APPROPRIATIONS THERE.
THAT AMENDS THE ORIGINAL BUDGET.
SO THAT'S WHERE THESE ANNUAL BUDGETS WOULD SHOW UP, IS THAT RIGHT? DURING THE NORMAL BUDGET APPROVAL PROCESS, WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE, UM, BUT ON ALL YOUR GRANTS, FINANCE CAN'T SPEND THEM UNTIL YOU HAVE APPROPRIATED.
AND THAT'S ON OUR MONTHLY APPROPRIATIONS.
SO,
UH, WARREN COUNTY IS REQUIRED BY VIRGINIA LAW TO HAVE AT LEAST ONE CERTIFIED ANIMAL PATROL OFFICER.
UH, WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS TAKEN THAT RESPONSIBILITY FROM THE COUNTY OF WARREN.
UH, CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW WE'RE WORKING ON AN M O U FOR ANIMAL PATROL, UM, CODE SECTION, UH, 3.2 DASH 65 55 IS, UM, WHERE WE ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE AT LEAST 1:00 AM PATROL OFFICER DESIGNATED AS AN ANIMAL PATROL OFFICER.
RIGHT NOW, WE CURRENTLY HAVE TWO CERTIFIED ANIMAL PATROL OFFICERS THROUGH THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE AND CONSUMER SERVICES.
UH, WE HAVE A CLASS COME UP IN NOVEMBER OF 2023 THAT WE PLAN ON SENDING A MINIMUM OF TWO MORE.
THAT'S GONNA ENSURE THAT DE WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS AT LEAST FOUR ANIMAL PATROL
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OFFICERS SERVING IN THE COMMUNITY.UH, ALL WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE DEPUTIES ARE TRAINED IN HANDLING OF ANIMALS CALLS FOR SERVICE.
UH, THEY GO THROUGH A BASIC ACADEMY AT SKYLINE REGIONAL CRIMINAL JUSTICE ACADEMY.
UM, AND THEY'RE GIVEN A, UH, BASIC CLASS ON AND PATROL HANDLING AND PATROL CALLS.
UH, THEY'VE BEEN RANGING CLOSE TO ABOUT THE 3000 MARK.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS A DECLINE IN 2020, UH, AND HAS HELD PRETTY STEADY SINCE THEN.
AS OF SEPTEMBER 18TH, WE'RE LOOKING AT 1,672 CALLS FOR SERVICE FOR ANIMAL PATROL RIGHT NOW.
SO WHAT KIND OF CALLS WOULD THAT BE? LIKE? UM, SOMEBODY SEES A STRAY DOG, OR, OR THEY THINK THAT THEY SEE A, A RABBIT ANIMAL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT COULD BE, UM, YOU KNOW, SUSPECTED RABBIT ANIMAL, LIKE STATED, UM, ANY KIND OF, UH, STRAY ANIMALS OR DOG AT LARGE, ANIMALS AT LARGE, UM, YOU KNOW, COULD BE INJURED ANIMALS.
UM, ANYTHING THAT'S NOT, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF THE WORDING FOR IT.
IT HAS TO BE A, LIKE A DOMESTICATED ANIMAL, OBVIOUSLY NOT A WILDLIFE CALL.
UM, WE HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT TYPES OF ANIMAL PATROL CALLS, UH, BARKING DOGS, YOU KNOW, WELFARE, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO THEN, UH, SO THEN THE DEPUTY WOULD GO OUT AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND MAYBE, UH, WHAT, UH, AND THEN AT THAT POINT, WHAT, WHAT WOULD THEY TYPICALLY DO? WELL, I GUESS THAT WOULD DEPEND ON THE CALL.
UM, IF YOU HAVE A DOG AT LARGE, UM, WE'LL SAY DOG AT LARGE, IF THEY'RE LUCKY ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO CATCH THE ANIMAL, AT WHICH POINT, MOST TIMES IF THEY HAVE A COLLAR, WE TRY TO LOCATE THE OWNERS.
UM, SOME OF OUR AM PATROL OFFICERS ARE REALLY GOOD TOO.
IF WE HAVE FREQUENT FLYERS, THEY'LL KNOW THE DOG.
UM, AND THEY'LL BE ABLE TO SAY, HEY, I KNOW THAT THIS ONE BELONGS HERE, SO THEY MAY GO CONTACT THE OWNER.
UM, IF NOT, THEN THEY'RE TAKEN TO, UH, HUMANE SOCIETY.
AT WHICH POINT THEY USUALLY POST ON THEIR FACEBOOK AS WELL, TRY TO LOCATE THE OWNER.
UM, WE'RE GONNA GET, 'CAUSE OUR COUNTY'S A LARGE COUNTY WITH A LOT OF ANIMALS, UM, DOMESTIC AND AGRICULTURAL AND ALL.
UM, AND I KNOW WE WERE HAVING CONCERNS IN THE COMMUNITY OVER, YOU KNOW, RESPONSE TO CALLS AND SO FORTH.
AND IF MY UNDERSTANDING'S RIGHT, WHEN YOU GO THROUGH BASIC TRAINING, BASICALLY YOU GET ABOUT HALF A DAY OR SOMETHING.
AND IT'S THE LAWS OF ANIMAL CONTROL VERSUS A TRUE ANIMAL CONTROL.
THE THREE WEEK TRAINING, I THINK IT'S THREE WEEKS THAT CORRECT.
THE CERTIFIED, UH, GOES THROUGH, AND I DID GET THE INFORMATION, UM, WHERE AS OF, I THINK THE END OF SEPTEMBER, UH, OCTOBER, AUGUST AND BEGINNING OF SEPTEMBER THAT, UM, THERE WAS AN ONLINE TRAINING THAT ALL YOUR OFFICER SIGNED OFF ON TO KIND OF REFRESH THEM ON THAT.
SO I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT, BUT THAT'S STILL NOT AT THE LEVEL OF CERTIFIED.
SO I'M GLAD TO HEAR WE'RE GONNA GET THE OTHER TWO.
UM, LONG OVERDUE BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, HANDLING ANIMALS IS, UH, NOT AN EASY TASK.
AND DOING IT IN THE MOST HUMANE WAY AND HAVING THE STUFF TO DO IT WITH IS VERY IMPORTANT, JUST AS WELL AS HANDLING HUMANELY YOUR HUMAN, UM, TRANSPORTS AND PEOPLE YOU DEAL WITH.
SO I'M, I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING WHERE WE NEED TO BE WITH THAT.
OH, YOU WANNA GO FIRST? OH, I JUST WANNA GET SORT MY, UM, UH, SORT IN MY MIND.
SO, SO WE HAVE, UM, SOME SHERIFF OFFICERS OR DEPUTIES ARE FUNDED BY THE COMP BOARD AND SOME ARE FUNDED BY THE COUNTY.
IS THAT CORRECT? SO WOULD ANIMAL CONTROL COME UNDERNEATH THE COMP, OR DOES THAT COME UNDERNEATH THE COUNTY BUDGET? THE COUNTY, YES, MA'AM.
WELL, WHERE, WHEREVER YOUR CAT FALL INTO THIS SPOT,
UM, WE WILL PICK UP INJURED, INJURED CATS, UM, AND OR KITTENS IF THEY'RE UNABLE TO CARE FOR THEMSELVES.
HOWEVER, THE STRAYS, WE, WE CAN'T PICK 'EM UP.
THE SHELTER HAS NOWHERE TO PUT 'EM, NOR DOES THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
UM, SO UNFORTUNATELY, YOU KNOW, I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE TRY TO GET US TO PICK 'EM UP.
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UM, THEY HAVE OTHER, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT TRY TO HELP WITH RESCUING 'EM SO FORTH.BUT WE JUST, 'CAUSE YOU HAVE A CAT THAT'S STRAY OR, OR WHATEVER, IT'S, IF IT'S NOT INJURED, WE CAN'T PICK IT UP.
NOW DO YOU DO ANYTHING WITH PEOPLE THAT MIGHT MAKE A COMPLAINT THAT YOU'VE GOT SOMEBODY THAT'S STORING A WHOLE SLEW OF CATS, IT CAN ALL BE INVESTIGATED? YES.
AND THAT'S GONNA BE A CASE BY CASE SITUATION.
UH, AT WHICH POINT OUR AM PATROL OFFICER WILL GO OUT, INVESTIGATE IT, UM, AND START GOING THROUGH THE PROPER CHAIN AND WORKING WHAT AVENUES THEY NEED TO TAKE.
SCHOOL RESOURCE IS ALSO UNDERNEATH PATROL.
UM, AGAIN, WE TAKE PRIDE IN THE COMMITMENT, INSURANCE, SAFETY AND SECURITY OF ALL 10 PUBLIC SCHOOLS THAT WE HAVE WITHIN THE COUNTY.
UH, CRUCIAL ASPECT OF THIS DEDICATION INVOLVES THE PRESENCE OF A CERTIFIED DEPUTY AT EACH EDUCATIONAL ESTABLISHMENT, UH, DILIGENTLY SAFEGUARDING STUDENTS AND STAFF THROUGHOUT THE ACADEMIC YEAR.
UH, SCHOOL RESOURCE DEPUTIES PROVIDE SECURITY AND MENTORING AT THEIR SOUND SCHOOLS ON A DAILY BASIS.
ARE ALL THESE OFFICERS THAT ARE IN THE SCHOOL, ARE THEY ALL CERTIFIED AS RESOURCE? THEY'VE GONE THROUGH THE SCHOOL RESOURCE PROGRAM? NOT ALL OF 'EM, NO MA'AM.
HOW MANY TIMES? I DO NOT HAVE THAT EXACT NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
UM, IF I COULD GET BACK WITH YOU LESS FIVE, I APOLOGIZE.
FIVE, FIVE OUT OF 10? YES, MA'AM.
AND ARE THEY FULL-TIME AT THOSE SCHOOLS? UH, THE FIVE SHOULD BE, YES, MA'AM.
THE OTHER FIVE ARE KIND OF ROTATED OUT AS TO WHO'S EVER AVAILABLE.
SOME ARE GETTING ROTATED DUE TO YOU GOT VACATIONS.
UM, OF COURSE, BABY LEAVE SEEMS TO BE A BIG THING HERE LATELY.
SO, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY WE DO HAVE TO ROTATE IN AND OUT HERE AND THERE.
SOME OF THE PATROL GUYS DO COME IN AND COVER.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE KEEP TRY TO KEEP SOMEBODY IN THAT ALL SCHOOLS ON A DAILY BASIS ARE THE CERTIFIED OFFICERS IN THE SECONDARY SCHOOLS, OR THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE, WE ALSO HAVE A LOT OF OUR PART-TIMERS LIKE TERRY FRITZ, UM, AND SO ON OUR CERTIFIED SROS, UM, AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WE WENT THROUGH A TIME PERIOD DURING COVID WHERE WE COULDN'T EVEN GET A SCHOOL.
UM, A LOT OF TIMES WHAT HAPPENS IS THEY'LL HOLD THE SCHOOL AT THE BEGINNING OF REALLY THROW US THAT WE CAN'T THROW EVERYBODY IN.
WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANYBODY IN THE SCHOOLS.
SO IT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT SOMETIMES.
BUT WE SUGGEST THEY CAME OUT WITH A NEW STANDARD LAST YEAR THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO COME IN PLACE, THAT YOU HAD TO HAVE A MINIMUM OF THREE YEARS EXPERIENCE ON THE STREET SO WE COULD EVEN GO TO THE SCHOOL.
WELL, THAT REALLY HINDERS A LOT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES WHEN YOU HIRE.
UM, SO WITH A LOT OF TALKING WITH THE SHERIFF'S ASSOCIATION AND LEGISLATION DOWN IN VIRGINIA OR DOWN IN RICHMOND, WE ABLE TO GET THAT PULLED BACK, PUT CERTIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS IN THERE, AND THEN WE'LL TRY TO GET THAT INTO SRO SCHOOL AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
UH, WE HAVE ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL, WE HAVE TWO INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE CERTIFIED THAT, UH, KEVIN COLLINS IS MENTIONED WHO ARE ACTUALLY ON, IN GETTING SURGERY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO IT KIND OF PUTS A DAMPER ON IT, BUT OUR SCHOOLS ARE COVERED.
HOW INVOLVED DO THE RESOURCE OFFICERS GET WITH THE ASSAULTS THAT HAVE HAPPENED RECENTLY? WHEN THE, WHEN THE S R O IS NOTIFIED BY THE SCHOOLS, THEY INVESTIGATED A CALL FOR SERVICES GENERATED.
UM, EVERY, AGAIN, EVERY ASSAULT OR ANY CALL, IT WORKS THE SAME WAY.
IF THE ADMINISTRATION OF THAT SCHOOL TELLS THAT DEPUTY, THAT DEPUTY THEN RETURN, ASK TO CALL THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, GENERATE A CALL, THEY INVESTIGATE.
IS THERE, IS THERE LIKE A MINIMUM INCIDENT THAT WOULD REQUIRE A POLICEMAN OR A SHERIFF THERE? I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.
SOMEBODY PUNCHES ANOTHER YOUNG PERSON.
IS THAT GONNA, IS THAT BECOMES AN ATION, OR IS AS LONG AS THE SRO IS NOTIFIED? ABSOLUTELY.
NOW, DO YOU NOT HAVE A, DO YOU NOT HAVE AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE SHERIFF AND EACH ONE OF THE INDIVIDUAL SCHOOLS THAT SAID THAT THIS HAPPENED? WE WANNA KNOW.
THEY, THE SRO ENDS UP TALKING TO THE ADMINISTRATION.
I'M NOT GONNA, CAN'T SAY THAT WE DO OR DON'T, I CAN'T SAY THAT WE KNOW OF ALL THE CALLS.
UM, THEY, I'M NOT GONNA DO THAT.
I, I CAN'T SPEAK BEHALF ON BEHALF OF THE SCHOOLS OR SO FORTH, AND
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NOT SAYING THAT THE SCHOOL'S NOT NOTIFYING US, BUT I DON'T WANNA STAND HERE AND TELL YOU THAT YES, WE'RE GETTING NOTIFIED ON EVERYTHING.YOU KNOW, WE MAY OR MAY NOT BE.
I WOULD HAVE TO SAY ON THAT, SINCE I'VE TAKEN OFFICE, WE'VE HAD AN INCREASE OF 187% OF CALLS FOR SERVICE IN THE SCHOOLS.
THAT MEANS THE SCHOOLS ARE NOTIFYING US MORE, A LOT MORE.
UM, AND WE HAVE BUILT A BETTER RELATIONSHIP AND COMMUNICATION WITH EACH SCHOOLS AND OUR DEPUTIES,
SO IN THE MOST RECENT ASSAULT, WAS THERE AN S R O AT WORK AT SKYLINE MIDDLE DURING THAT INCIDENT THAT, THAT COULD HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED TO CALL 9 1 1? YES.
THAT'S WHY I WAS WONDERING WHAT THE, I I, SO IS IT THE JOB OF THE S R O TO DO THAT? BECAUSE THAT SEEMS TO BE A, A GAP IN SUPPORT FOR, UM, MEDICAL SERVICES? NO, I, I DON'T, I WOULDN'T SAY IT'S A JOB OF THE SS R O, IT'S, IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN I'M ON THE STREET.
UM, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T SEE EVERYTHING.
UM, I MIGHT BE PATROLLING AN AREA, YOU KNOW, SCHOOLS ARE LARGE.
THERE'S A LOT OF HALLWAYS IN THE SCHOOLS.
THE SROS ARE, IT'S, IT'S RULE OF THUMB IS WE'RE NEVER GONNA BE WHERE WE NEED TO BE.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALWAYS ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF COUNTY SROS ARE ALWAYS ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF SCHOOL.
IF THAT DEPUTY'S STANDING THERE AND OBSERVES IT AND DOESN'T ACT, THEN YES.
BUT I DON'T WANNA SAY THAT THAT DEPUTY IS RESPONSIBLE EVERY TIME.
BECAUSE AGAIN, WHAT IF, IF THEY'RE NOT THERE, THEN, AND BY AHEAD I'M THINKING, WELL, YOU KNOW, MAJOR AL'S GONNA MAKE A CALL.
I'M GOING STAND OVER HERE AND DO WHAT I NEED TO DO.
SO I THINK AT THAT POINT, IT'S WHOEVER OBSERVES IT, ANYONE AT THE SCHOOLS CAN CALL 9 1 1.
IT'S GONNA COME DIRECTLY TO OUR DISPATCH CENTER.
THEY'RE GONNA TRY TO GET OUR, OF OUR S R O AND IN WHICH CASE, IF THEY CAN'T, THEY'RE NOTIFYING THE ON-DUTY SUPERVISOR.
AND THEN WE WE'RE GONNA HAVE OUTSIDE UNITS RESPONDING AS WELL.
UH, I'M, I'M JUST CURIOUS, DO, DO YOU HAVE SOME SCHOOLS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE I WOULD THINK THAT THE, THE HIGH SCHOOLS AND MIDDLE SCHOOLS WOULD PROBABLY, YOU, YOU PROBABLY WANT AN SS R O THERE, BUT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE, THE, UM, I GUESS THE GRAMMAR SCHOOLS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE YOU COULD, UH, YOU COULD FLOAT A LITTLE BIT.
AM I CORRECT ON THAT? YOU'D BE SURPRISED.
THERE'S A LOT OF SPECIAL, SPECIAL NEEDS CHILDREN IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT ARE STRUNG OUT THROUGH THE, UH, THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.
WE'RE CHASING, UH, KIDS THAT ARE LEAVING SCHOOL, UH, THAT GET OUTSIDE THAT'RE 6, 7, 8, 9 YEARS OLD, UH, TO WHERE WE HAVE TO RUN OUT IN THE STREET, GET THEM, BRING THEM BACK INTO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.
SO YES, THEY ARE NEEDED IN THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS AS WELL.
SO THEN YOU COULD ALMOST SAY THAT THE SROS WOULD BE WHAT THEY USED TO CALL TRUANT OFFICERS IN THAT THEY SEE SOME, SOME YOUNG PERSON WANDERING OFF AND THEY REACH OUT AND GRAB AND BRING THEM BACK.
WELL, THEY, YOU KNOW, THE SROS NOT, NOT ONLY JUST THAT, BUT THAT'S THE BEST PLACE TO START MENTORING KIDS.
'CAUSE YOU'D BE SURPRISED HOW MANY K THROUGH FIVE CHILDREN ARE LIVING WITH GRANDPARENTS, UM, OR SINGLE PARENTS, PARENTS THAT WORK QUITE A BIT.
UM, AND THAT SS R O CAN BUILD RELATIONSHIPS THAT KEEPS THOSE KIDS OFF THE, THE STREET AND GIVES THEM, UM, SOMEONE TO LOOK UP TO.
SO I THINK THERE'S, YOU KNOW, WE, WE LOOK AT SROS AS, UH, BEING A SECURITY THAT I LOOK AT IT AS BEING, UM, BUILD RELATIONSHIPS FOR A POSITIVE, UH, INTERACTION, UH, WITH THESE KIDS THAT MAY NOT HAVE A POSITIVE REACTION, AN INTERACTION WITH, UH, PEOPLE OF LEADERSHIP ANY OTHER PLACE, BUT AT SCHOOL.
SO I, I THINK THEY'RE EQUALLY AS IMPORTANT AT THE K THROUGH FIVE LEVEL AS THEY ARE AT THE SECONDARY LEVEL FOR, FOR DIFFERENT REASONS.
AND YES, AND WHEN I WAS AT K THROUGH FIVE, THERE WAS A LOT OF CHILDREN WITH EMOTIONAL, UM, BEHAVIORAL ISSUES THAT EVEN IF THE OFFICER JUST CAME AND SAT DOWN AS THAT PERSON OF, UH, AUTHORITY TO HAVE A CONVERSATION, IT WAS, IT WAS, UM, WELL UTILIZED.
AND THAT'S WHEN OFFICER CARR HAD, I THINK WE SHARED HIM WITH LIKE THREE SCHOOLS AT THAT TIME.
I KNOW OTHER COUNTIES, IF THERE'S 10 SCHOOLS, THEY HAVE ABOUT 15 TO 20 DOZENS.
BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE LIKE US RIGHT NOW WITH TWO DEAF, TWO OF OUR DEPUTIES, ROS, UH, ONE MEANS SHOULDER SURGERY AND THE OTHER ONE ONE'S GOT A BACK ISSUE,
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IT MAY NEVER COME BACK.WHEN COVID HIT, IT ACTUALLY GAVE US ANOTHER OBSTACLE BECAUSE IF THOSE TEACHERS OR THOSE DEPUTIES WERE IN CONTACT WITH A STUDENT THAT CAME DOWN WITH COVID, THAT WAS 14 DAYS, THEY COULDN'T WORK IN THE SCHOOL AND THEY HAD TO BE QUARANTINED.
I KNOW I WAS COACHING HIGH SCHOOL.
I HAD TO QUARANTINED FOR 14 DAYS BECAUSE I WAS COACHING.
SO THERE'S THINGS WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH, UH, CONCEPT, BUT WE'LL NEVER, AND HAVE NEVER LEFT THE HIGH SCHOOLS BEFORE THE MIDDLE SCHOOLS OPEN.
UM, AND THEN AT THOSE TIMES, WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL THROW OUR DEPUTIES, OUR DEPUTIES, EACH ONE OF OUR PATROL DEPUTIES HAVE AREAS OF RESPONSIBILITY, AND THEY'RE CHECKING ALSO PLUS THE S O THAT'S INSIDE THE SCENE.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO DO, BE, BE MORE DILIGENT.
WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR SROS, WE HAD THREE OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS OF ACTIVE SHOOTERS CALLS.
THE AVERAGE TIME FOR A RESPONSE TO AN ACTIVE SHOOTER IS 10 MINUTES ACROSS THE NATION.
WE HAD AN ACTIVE SHOOTER CALL COME OUT OF SKYLINE MIDDLE SCHOOL.
WE RESPONDED IN LESS THAN THREE MINUTES.
WE WERE SECURE IN SEARCHING THE BUILDING.
OUR TIME FOR RESPONSE HAD OUR DEPUTY.
SO WE HAD AN ACTIVE SHOOTER OR A POSSIBLE CALL.
IT WAS A, OKAY, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT BECAUSE I WAS GONNA SAY, MY GOODNESS, AN ACTIVE SHOOTER WHEN IT COMES OUT THAT SOMEONE HAS A GUN IN THE SCHOOL, WE HAVE TO TREAT IT
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THOUGH.
I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T REMEMBER HEARING ANY ACTUAL SHOTS, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF I'D MISSED SOMETHING.
SO I UNDERSTAND THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN ACT OF SHOOTER UNTIL, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT.
BUT I JUST, THE WAY YOU WORDED THAT, IT MADE IT SOUND LIKE HE ACTUALLY, SOMEONE ACTUALLY FIRED ALL SOME SHOTS IN A SCHOOL.
SO GOING BACK TO HAVING AN INCIDENT IN A SCHOOL, IF THERE, I JUST NEED TO, IN MY THOUGHT PROCESS OF, OF HOW DOES THIS, THE COMMUNICATION GETS OUT TO THE SS R O, RIGHT? SO LIKE, I UNDERSTAND IF YOU'RE RIGHT THERE AND YOU SEE SOME INCIDENT, THEN YOU'LL RESPOND.
BUT IF THERE'S AN INCIDENT GOING ON IN A CLASSROOM THAT YOU'RE NOT THERE, UH, TO WITNESS IT, THEN IT'S A MATTER OF THE SCHOOL CALLING THE SS R O, THE PRINCIPAL, THE TEACHER, A, A CHILD, WHOEVER TO CALL YOU TO GET INVOLVED BECAUSE YOU, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT THERE ACTUALLY SEEING IT.
AND, AND THE SCHOOL, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE IS CERTAIN THINGS, UM, OBVIOUSLY ASSAULTS, THEY SHOULDN'T, BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT THE, THE SCHOOL ADMIN CAN AND WILL HANDLE ON THEIR OWN.
UM, IT MAY NOT BE A, YOU KNOW, TO WHAT THEY FEEL IS A NEED FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT RESPONSE OR NOT.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S ON THE SCHOOL.
MOST OF YOUR ASSAULTS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE, THEY'RE CONTACTING US, BUT THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING WITHIN A CLASSROOM THAT MIGHT BE, I DON'T WANNA SAY MINOR, BUT MAYBE NOT AS MAJOR AS AN ASSAULT THAT THE SCHOOL ADMIN DECIDES TO HANDLE ON THEIR SIDE.
SO AGAIN, IF WE'RE NOT NOTIFIED, THE SCHOOL'S HANDLING IT, BUT, UM, BUT A PARENT, IF THEY FIND OUT AFTER THE FACT, THEY CAN STILL REPORT IT TO THE, TO THE SHERIFF DEPARTMENT? YES, MA'AM.
YEAH, THEY'LL CALL US AND YEAH, THEY CALL US.
AND USUALLY, OBVIOUSLY IT'S AFTER HOURS WHEN THE SCHOOL RESOURCE IS ALREADY HOME.
SO USUALLY A PATROL DEPUTY TAKES THAT CALL MM-HMM.
SO, UH, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THE CASE IS HANDLED THAT NIGHT OR NOT, THEY STILL NOTIFY THE SCHOOL RESOURCE SERGEANT MM-HMM.
HOW, I'M SORRY, BUT HOW OFTEN DO YOUR SROS HAVE A DOWNLOAD WITH THE, THE SCHOOL THAT THEY'RE REPRESENTING? FAR AS THEY GO DOWNLOAD, MEANING THEY, THEY'RE TALKING TO THE, THE PRINCIPAL, THEY'RE TALKING TO THE, UH, SRO SERGEANT.
THEY'RE TALK, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE HAVING A GROUP MEETING THAT SAYS, THIS IS THE PROBLEMS THAT WE'RE HAVING.
THEY USUALLY GET WITH THEIR ADMIN, SUPPOSED TO BE GET WITH THEIR ADMIN EVERY MORNING AND EVERY EVENING.
SO THE FIRST THING THEY DO WHEN THEY ARRIVE AT SCHOOL, UM, SHE'LL BE MAKING CONTACT WITH THE ADMIN OF THAT SCHOOL, SEEING IF THERE'S ANYTHING NEW.
ANYTHING'S POPPED UP, UM, MOSTLY EVERY MORNING.
WHEN THEY SHOULD BE CHECKING IN WITH 'EM.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE, UM, MISCOMMUNICATION WAS WITH THE S R O AT THE ASSAULT WHERE THE KID WAITED FOR AN HOUR FOR HIS MOTHER TO COME AND GET HIM TO TAKE HIM TO THE HOSPITAL? I MEAN, WAS THAT A MISCOMMUNICATION?
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I, I'M NOT GONNA SAY IF IT WAS A MISCOMMUNICATION OR NOT.UM, I DON'T HAVE THAT CASE IN FRONT OF ME.
UM, THAT'S SOMETHING, IF WE CAN, UH, WHAT WE CAN DO IS GO BACK, LOOK AT IT LATER AND GET BACK WITH YOU GUYS.
I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME.
I DON'T WANNA MAKE A COMMENT ON THAT NOW.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO KNOW FOR, SO THAT WE CAN INFORM THE PARENT.
SHE'S CALLED US BECAUSE OF, OF THE CONCERN SHE HAD FOR HER SON NOT GETTING A 9 1 1 CALL.
AND SO I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO GIVE HER AN ANSWER.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, WE GOOD? MM-HMM.
NOW WE ALSO HAVE A, UH, SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER INCENTIVE GRANT FROM D C J S, WHICH PAYS A PORTION OF ONE CERTIFIED RE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER, UH, RIGHT NOW FOR 23 TO 24.
UH, SROS ALSO TEACH DARE, UH, TO THE FIFTH GRADERS, ALONG WITH THE JUVENILE RULES TO THE SECONDARY SCHOOLS, UM, WHICH IS PART OF BEING THE CERTIFIED CRIME PREVENTION COMMUNITY BY MENTORING AND ENGAGING WITH OUR YOUTH IN OUR COMMUNITY.
I THINK I SKIPPED SOMEWHERE ON THAT, I APOLOGIZE.
I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE, WE ALSO DO WHAT'S CALLED A FUND DAY SHERIFF'S OFFICE FUND DAY USED TO HAVE THE, THE, UH, SHERIFF'S OFFICE CAMP.
OF COURSE, WITH COVID AND EVERYTHING, IT WENT DOWN.
SO WE STARTED DOING WHAT'S CALLED A FUN DAY.
UH, SERGEANT BURKE, WHO IS THE SS R O OVER SCHOOL RESOURCE, UM, SHE USUALLY KIND OF REALLY HEADS THAT, UH, GETS A LOT OF, UH, DONATIONS FOR US.
UH, WE TAKE THE KIDS DOWN THE FLOAT, SHADO RIVER.
UH, WE USE, UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF HIS NAME.
MR. BALDWIN ALLOWS US A BUNCH OF KAYAKS, CANOES FOR EVERYBODY.
UH, ACTUALLY PUTS IN ON HIS PROPERTY TRAILERS MOUNT.
UH, WE DO ABOUT A TWO HOUR TRIP WITH, DEPENDING ON HOW MANY KIDS WE HAVE.
UH, AFTER THAT FOLLOWED UP, WE GO DOWN TO SKYLINE RANCHERS RESORT.
THEY ALLOW US TO USE THEIR FACILITIES AS WELL.
UH, KIDS CAN RUN AROUND, PLAY IN THE POOL.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE A BUNCH OF DEPUTIES TAKE 'EM, FISHING, A COUPLE LITTLE PONDS THEY GOT DOWN THERE.
USUALLY HAVE, UH, ANIMAL PATROL AND CANINE, UM, DEMONSTRATIONS ALONG WITH OUR WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE TECH TEAM AS WELL.
THEY COME OUT, DO A BIG, UH, LITTLE, LITTLE THING THERE WITH THE TRUCK.
USUALLY DO WHAT THEY CALL A VEHICLE TAKEOFF.
ALL THE KIDS LOVE THE, THE LOUD BANG THAT THE, UH, THAT IT MAKES YOU DO THIS WITH.
I MEAN, WHEN I, WHEN I WAS AT SCHOOL, ALL THE FIFTH GRADERS WENT TO BE CROSBY FOR THE DAY.
DO YOU DO THAT FOR ALL THE FIFTH GRADE SCHOOLS?
THIS IS THE, THE WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE FUND DAY.
I THINK WE USUALLY DO UP TO FOUR.
UM, THIS WAS DAY OR DAY, IT WAS CALLED DAY OR DAY.
AND ALL THE FIFTH GRADERS IN THE COUNTY WENT DOWN.
YEAH, THE DAY OR DAY IS STILL AS WELL.
UM, I THINK LAST YEAR WE ACTUALLY WENT DOWN TO THE PARK.
WE DID IT DOWN THERE AGAIN THIS YEAR.
I WAS GONNA SAY, I CAN'T IMAGINE PUTTING THAT MANY KIDS ON A RIVER AT ONE TIME FOR 40
WELL, THE, THE FUN DAY IS USUALLY ABOUT 40.
UM, AND A LOT OF THE SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES, UM, THEY'LL COME IN AS WELL.
AND PRETTY MUCH ANYONE THAT'S OFF USUALLY COMES IN.
UH, THIS LAST YEAR I WASN'T ABLE TO MAKE IT DUE TO KNEE SURGERY.
UM, DOCTORS FOR SOME REASON SAID I COULDN'T GET OUT IN THE WATER PLAYING WITH, UH, MY KAYAK, SO I HAD TO SKIP OUT ON THAT TRIP.
BUT USUALLY HAVE QUITE A FEW DEPUTIES THAT TRY TO KEEP, YOU KNOW, 30 TO 40 KIDS.
THEY DIDN'T WANT YOU TO GET ALL THE RIVER BUGS IN YOUR WOUND.
I, WELL, DON'T BLAME THEM FOR THAT.
UH, CANINES, UH, CANINES ALSO, UNDERNEATH THE PATROL, UH, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE FIVE CANINE TEAMS. UH, TWO OF THOSE CANINE TEAMS ARE TRAINED IN NARCOTIC DETECTION, SEARCHING, AND APPREHENSION.
WE HAVE ONE CANINE TEAM THAT IS CERTIFIED IN NARCOTICS DE NARCOTICS DETECTION AND SEARCHING.
WE ALSO HAVE TWO BLOODHOUND CANINE TEAMS, WHICH ARE CERTIFIED AND SENT THE SPECIFIC TRACKING.
ALL OF OUR CANINE TEAMS ARE CERTIFIED THROUGH THE VIRGINIA POLICE CANINE ASSOCIATION, AND THEY'RE REQUIRED TO ATTEND A MINIMUM OF 16 HOURS OF TRAINING IN A MONTH.
UH, ALL CANINES ARE CERTIFIED, OR EXCUSE ME, ARE REQUIRED TO CERTIFY EACH YEAR THROUGH THAT ASSOCIATION.
DISSOCIATION FEES ARE $35 A YEAR.
THAT'S PER TRAINING, OR EXCUSE ME, PER HANDLER.
UH, THAT COVERS THEIR, ALL THEIR TRAINING AND CERTIFICATIONS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
UH, WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE DOES SUPPLY THE CANINE FOOD ALONG WITH MEDICAL EXPENSES AND ANY TRAINING AIDS THAT ARE NEEDED.
UH, AGAIN, THIS IS PROBABLY FIRST PART OF SEPTEMBER, SEPTEMBER, MID-SEPTEMBER, UH, WE'RE SITTING ABOUT $3,200 27 CENTS, OR $27 AND 40 CENTS, UH,
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FOR THE FOOD TO INCLUDE SOME, WHAT, WHAT THEY CALL TREATS FOR THE TWO BLOODHOUND CANINES.UM, THOSE DOGS ARE FOOD DRIVEN.
THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, TOY DRIVEN OR, UM, SO WHENEVER THEY DO A GOOD JOB, YOU GOT FEED THEM.
WHEREAS THE OTHER DOGS, THEY WANT THEIR, THEIR TOY OR THEIR TUG.
SO IS THAT $3,227 SINCE JULY FISCAL YEAR, MA'AM? OR YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CALENDAR YEAR? I APOLOGIZE.
THANK YOU, MR. WELL, WHEN I LOOKED AT, AND I, I'VE GOT THE EXPENSES, UM, I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO TELL WITH THEM UP, BUT I LOOK AT LINE BY LINE ON OUR MONTHLY ACCOUNTS, AND THAT WAS AVERAGING ABOUT $800 A MONTH.
SO WHEN YOU DO THAT, IT'S CLOSE TO $10,000 A YEAR FOR FOOD.
SO JUST FIGURING ON WHAT THE CHEWYS THAT I GOT.
THE CANINE, THE CANINE FOOD IS ORDERED EVERY TWO MONTHS.
UH, IT'S APPROXIMATELY 8,000 A YEAR FOR ALL THE MM-HMM.
AND ANY MISCELLANEOUS FOR THAT, BILLS OR WHATEVER, THAT'S WHAT WE'LL TAKE OUTTA THAT.
BUT, UH, CANINE EXPENSES ARE COMING OUT THAT BUDGET.
THEY DO TAKE THEIR, THEY'RE LIKE PROFESSIONAL ATHLETES, SO THEY GET FED A LOT BETTER THAN
WELL, I, I LOVE MY DOGS AND I, YOU KNOW, I'M ALL AN ANIMAL LOVER.
I'M NOT, BUT I DO LOOK AT THE COST OF THE DOGS AND THE AMOUNT OF THE DOGS AND WONDERING, ARE WE GETTING OUR MONEY'S WORTH OUT OF THEIR JOB PERFORMANCE? WELL, I'LL HAVE TO SAY ON THIS, IF WE, IT'S LIKE A DRUG COURT.
YOU SAY ONE PERSON, IS IT WORTH IT? HAVE ALREADY OFF OUR STREETS, WHICH YOU'LL SEE IN A LITTLE BIT.
SO, WELL, I KNOW YOU, UM, THE, AND I, MAYBE IT'S 'CAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND, MAYBE DRUGS TRACK DIFFERENTLY, BUT, UM, I KNOW I READ IN THE PAPER, UNLESS IT WAS REPORTED WRONGLY THAT FACU COUNTY CAME IN ON THE LOOP, UM, AND IT WAS A FALL CARE DOG THAT FOUND THE PERSON THAT NIGHT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I'M QUESTIONING PERFORMANCE, YOU KNOW? WELL, IF I MAY, AND AGAIN, THE SENSE SPECIFIC DOGS, I, FOR ONE, I'M NOT A CANINE HANDLER.
SO TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER THESE A HUNDRED PERCENT, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE MY CANINE HANDLERS HERE.
UM, ANY ONE OF THEM WILL TELL YOU THAT I AM HARDER ON THEM THAN ANYBODY ELSE IN THIS OFFICE.
I DO KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THESE DOGS THAT, AGAIN, THEY'RE A TOOL.
SO CORRECT FA HERE, CADDY COMES, ASSISTS US QUITE A BIT.
WE AS WELL GO AND ASSIST OTHER AGENCIES AS WELL.
IF I TAKE ONE OF OUR HAND OR ONE OF OUR DOGS, GIVE HIM THAT SENSE SPECIFIC, HIM OR HER, THAT SENSE SPECIFIC ITEM, AND THAT HE OR SHE STARTS TRACKING, DEPENDING ON THE DOG, THE DOG MAY SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? I'M DONE.
HEY DAD, I DIDN'T GET TO SLEEP TODAY.
WE HAVE THAT, UM, THE DOGS JUST AT SOME POINT MAY OR MAY NOT GET TIRED.
ON AVERAGE, THEY RUN 'EM FOR ABOUT 20 TO 30 MINUTES, JUST AN AVERAGE NUMBER.
AND THEN THE NEXT HANDLER WILL COME IN ANYTIME WE CALL FOR CANINES.
IF I'M WORKING A SCENE WITHIN WARREN COUNTY, I WILL CALL BOTH OF MY CANINES WHETHER THEY'RE WORKING OR NOT.
I WILL CALL BOTH OF 'EM RIGHT THEN AND THERE.
AND THEN USUALLY FIRST THING I DO IS CALL SURROUNDING JURISDICTIONS.
GO AHEAD AND PUT THEM ON STANDBY.
BECAUSE IF THIS TRACK DOES GO FOR, UH, AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME, WHICH MOST OF THEM ARE, UNFORTUNATELY, WE DON'T GET NOTIFIED TILL ABOUT AN HOUR OR TWO LATER.
SO AS WE HAD A CASE NOT TOO LONG AGO, UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER, CHUCKY MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT A LITTLE BETTER, BUT BY THE TIME WE GOT THE NOTIFICATION, SHE WAS ALREADY MILES FROM US AND WE UTILIZED, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, I WANNA SAY AT LEAST FIVE DOGS THROUGHOUT THE EVENING TRYING TO TO CATCH UP.
SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SIT ON THE BACKSIDE AND SEE AND NOT UNDERSTAND A HUNDRED PERCENT OF WHAT THESE DOGS DO.
AND AGAIN, I, IF I COULD, I WOULD GET ONE OF MY HANDLERS UP HERE, AND I GUARANTEE YOU THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD SIT HERE FOR HOURS AND TALK TO YOU GUYS, EXPLAIN TO YOU A LITTLE BETTER ABOUT IT.
BUT, BUT AGAIN, THEY, THEY DO NEED THEIR TIME.
THE DOGS, LET'S BE HONEST WITH YOU, AT SOME POINT, AND THE HANDLER TELL YOU, THEY'LL JUST, THEY'LL SIT DOWN AND BE LIKE, I'M DONE FOR THE DAY.
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BUT THEN ON THE NEXT DAY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE READY TO ROLL.IT JUST, EVERYBODY HAS A BAD DAY.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE DOGS CAN TOO.
SO AGAIN, WE TRY TO GET AS MANY IN AS WE CAN.
SO, WELL, THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, I, LIKE I SAID, I'VE GOT, I HAD A BEAGLE THAT WOULD RUN UNTIL SHE DIED ON A RAPID.
BUT, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT BLOOD WILL, BUT, UM, IT, IT DOES YOU AT SOME POINT, AGAIN, I I'LL CALL AS MANY AS I CAN BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT'LL LAST.
UH, YOU MIGHT GET A, MIGHT GET A GOOD STRONG DOG THAT THAT DAY SAYS, HECK, WHAT? I'M GONNA GO AND RUN IT FOR A SOLID HOUR.
YOU KNOW, THE HANDLER'S GOTTA, A HANDLER HAS TO PULL 'EM BACK, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THEY'RE A LIVING THING.
THEY GOTTA, YOU GOTTA FORCE 'EM TO DRINK, TAKE THEIR BREAKS AND SO FORTH.
WELL, I APPRECIATE THE INFORMATION.
UH, BACK WHEN THE FOOD WE DO UTILIZE, UH, CHEWY.COM, UM, WE DO GET A 5% DISCOUNT THROUGH THEM, UH, ALONG WITH THE FREE SHIPPING.
UM, INITIALLY WHEN I PRESENTED THE SHERIFF, UM, REQUESTING DIFFERENT FOODS, WE WERE FEEDING THEM, I BELIEVE WE HAD SOME, SOME DOG FOOD THAT WAS DONATED.
UH, IT WAS NOT THE HIGHEST QUALITY.
THEY, THEY EAT ON AVERAGE TWO TO FOUR CUPS A DAY.
UM, I SAT DOWN, DID A LOT OF RESEARCH, SPOKE WITH OTHER AGENCIES, OF COURSE, SPOKE TO MY HANDLERS, DID EVERYTHING I COULD.
UM, AND EACH ONE OF 'EM HAD THEIR DOG FOOD THAT THEY FED THEIR DOGS.
SO I WAS ABLE TO COMPILE EVERYTHING TOGETHER, DID THE RESEARCH ON SOME OF THESE FOODS.
AND, YOU KNOW, I READ ON THE INTERNET, SO LET'S BE REAL.
AND SOME OF THAT STUFF WAS, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN BRANDS ARE BETTER THAN OTHERS.
UM, SO AGAIN, THAT'S WHY THE HANDLERS GOT TO CHOOSE WHAT THEY DID.
AND THEN I WAS ABLE TO PRESENT IT TO THE SHERIFF.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WE SHOULD AVERAGE, GIVE OR TAKE, UH, ROUGHLY EIGHT TO 10,000 A YEAR IS WHAT I FIGURED FOR, FOR EVERYTHING, FOR ALL FIVE CANINES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
UH, SO JUST SO YOU KNOW, UM, I HAVE FOUR DOGS AND I LOVE DOGS AND I LOVE TO TRAIN 'EM AND I LOVE TO BE AROUND THEM.
BUT, UM, IF YOU TAKE THAT PRICE OUT TO OUR LOCAL PET COVE, THEY'LL HONOR IT.
'CAUSE I WANTED, I WAS ORDERING FROM CHEWY, BUT I WANT MY PETCO TO STAY OPEN, UM, A LOCAL STORE.
SO I WENT IN AND THEY SAID, WE MATCH.
SO IF YOU YEAH,
CHEWY IS, I, I GET MINE FROM CHEWY AND IT IS A NICE SERVICE.
'CAUSE 50 POUND BAG OF FEED WAS NEVER AVAILABLE.
WE RAN OUT A LOT OF GAS JUST GOING BACK AND FORTH, LOOKING FOR A BIG BAG OF FOOD.
UH, IF WE SPOKE EARLIER, THE TWO HOUNDS ARE FOOD DRIVEN OR NARCOTIC CANINES, UH, THEY'RE, EXCUSE ME, REWARDED WITH WHAT'S CALLED TRAINING AIDS.
UM, THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH, MOST OF THEM USE, UM, KIND OF ALMOST THE SAME THING.
USUALLY WHAT IT IS, LIKE A HEAVY CANVAS ALMOST REMINDS ME OF LIKE A FIRE HOSE MATERIAL.
AND THEY'LL HAVE TWO LITTLE HANDLES ON THE SIDE WHERE THE HANDLER CAN, OBVIOUSLY THESE DOGS CAN BITE THEIR, THEIR DOGS.
SO THEY'RE ABLE TO HOLD 'EM OFF TO THE SIDE AND THAT'S WHAT THEY REWARD THEIR DOGS WITH.
SO AT ANY POINT THAT THEY'RE TRAINING, UM, IF THEY'RE IN A SCENARIO, THEY GET SCENARIO, RIGHT? THAT'S HOW THEY REWARD 'EM.
THEY PULL OUT THOSE TUGS, THEY TOSS 'EM AT 'EM, YOU'LL HEAR 'EM GET HIGH PITCHED QUE SQUEALS AND YELLS.
AND YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU FIRST START WATCHING OUR CANINE HANDLERS, IT'S ACTUALLY AMUSING AT THE FIRST POINT.
UM, I WISH THEY WERE THAT NICE TO ME SOMETIMES, BUT, UM, THOSE TRAINING AIDS, WE TRY TO KEEP A FEW OF THOSE IN HAND.
UM, I THINK THEY RANGE MAYBE ABOUT 10, MAYBE $20 IF THAT, WHICH MOST OF THE TIME, DEPENDING ON THEIR HANDLER AND THE DOG, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY DON'T USE THEM.
THEY USE 'EM ALL THE TIME, BUT THEY MAY NOT NEED TO BE REPLACED AS OFTEN AS OTHER, OTHER HANDLERS.
WELL, I THINK, I THINK THIS PART COMES DOWN TO MY QUESTION DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS OF WHAT $10,000 SMALL TOOLS WAS TO GET TO THE CHASE ON THIS.
AND SHERIFF BUTLER SAID IT WAS TUG TOYS FOR DOGS.
AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS AN OUTRAGEOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR A TUG TOY FOR A DOG.
SO THAT'S WHY THIS CLARIFICATION I GUESS IS GOING ON HERE NOW.
AND IT IS PROBABLY A MIXTURE OF EVERYTHING.
UH, 'CAUSE I THINK WITH THE TUGS, I, I DIDN'T PULL THE NUMBERS ON EXACTLY, UM, HOW MUCH WE'VE SPENT ON THEM.
UH, BUT AGAIN, I THINK THEY'RE, THEY RANGE FROM I THINK 15 TO $20 DEPENDING ON THE, THE, UH, STYLE OF 'EM.
THERE'S OBVIOUSLY TONS OF THEM.
UH, BUT THE ONES THAT THEY PURCHASED THAT OUR HANDLERS USE DAY IN AND DAY OUT, I THINK THEY'RE ABOUT 10, $15 AND ROUGHLY THEY MAYBE USED A COUPLE YEAR PER HANDLER.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S JUST FOR THE THREE OUTTA THE FIVE, UH, CANINES.
WELL, I MEAN, I CAN UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW,
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THESE DOGS, LET'S, LET'S FACE IT, THERE'S ABOUT $10,000 WORTH OF FOOD A YEAR.UM, THEIR INITIAL COST 'CAUSE IT, WITH THE INFORMATION I GOT, I THINK THE TWO, UM, DOGS THAT YOU GOT FROM THE COMPANY, NOT THE, THE BLOODHOUNDS, THEY WERE LIKE, WHAT, 13 FIVE A PIECE FROM THE DOCUMENTATION I SAW.
SO I MEAN, I'M JUST LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, I, I LOOK AT THE NUMBERS AND PERFORMANCE OUTPUT INCOME VERSUS THE OUTPUT.
AND, AND WE SEEM TO HAVE A LOT OF DOGS.
AND I THINK THE ONE IS IT, WHICH ONE JUST HAD THE TEETH DONE? YES MA'AM.
THAT WOULD, AND THAT WAS $2,500.
AND, AND BLESS HIS SOUL, IS HE GONNA BE ABLE TO DO HIS JOB? BECAUSE I WOULD THINK, I, I KNOW WITH PEOPLE, ONCE YOU, YOU HAVE THAT KIND OF DENTAL WORK DONE, YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU CHEW AND THAT KIND OF THING.
SO IS HE GONNA BE ABLE TO PERFORM AT HIS? YES MA'AM.
HE'S, HE'S ACTUALLY BEEN BACK TO FULL DUTY, UM, SINCE, SINCE THE OPERATION.
UM, THERE'S BEEN NOTHING FROM THE VETS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT STATE.
HE CANNOT, UH, HE STILL HAS BEEN TRAINING.
HE'S FULLY CERTIFIED AND READY TO GO.
WELL, I JUST HATE TO SEE HIM TRYING TO DO HIS JOB AND THEN PULL HIS TEETH OUT AGAIN.
THAT'S, THAT'S NOT A GOOD THING.
SO, UM, I HOPE HE IS BACK TO FULL FUNCTION THERE.
UM, JUST A COUPLE ROUGH NUMBERS.
SO THEY'RE ALL, UH, SPECIALIZED IN DIFFERENT SCENTS, IS THAT CORRECT? NOT ALL OF 'EM.
WE HAVE TWO THAT ARE SCENT SPECIFIC.
SO OTHER WORDS, WHAT THAT MEANS, THE TWO BLOODHOUNDS WE HAVE, IF I WERE TO PULL, SAY MY WALLET OUTTA MY POCKET AND DROP IT HERE ON THE FLOOR, AS LONG AS NOBODY ELSE MESSES WITH IT, THAT CANINE HANDLER CAN COME OVER, COLLECT THAT ITEM IN A SPECIFIC WAY.
HE WILL THEN TURN AROUND AND GET THAT DOG ACCLIMATED TO THAT SCENT.
OKAY? FROM THAT POINT FORWARD, I COULD TAKE OFF OUT OF THIS BUILDING, GO WHERE I'M GONNA GO.
NOW, OBVIOUSLY, HUMAN TRAFFIC, IF YOU GOT A HIGH TRAFFIC AREA, IT'D BE A LITTLE BIT TOUGHER.
BUT ESSENTIALLY THAT DOG IS SMELLING FOR THAT WALLET FOR MY SCENT AND ONLY MY SCENT.
SO THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE ABLE TO, UH, YOU'LL FIND US USING THOSE CANINES MORE FOR YOUR MISSING PERSONS AND SO FORTH.
ANYBODY THAT WALKS OFF FROM HOME AND SO FORTH TO, WHEREAS OUR OTHER TWO CANINES, THREE CANINES THAT ARE, UM, WHAT WE CALL TRACKING, THEY GO OFF OF GROUND DISTURBANCE.
SO WHETHER YOU WALK OUTTA THIS BUILDING INTO THE WOODS, YOU, YOU OR YOU, WHEREVER THE FRESHEST SCENT THAT HAS BEEN KICKED UP, OKAY? THAT'S WHAT THAT DOG'S GONNA PULL ON.
SO THAT'S GONNA BE MORE FOR YOUR IMMEDIATE RESPONSE IS SOMEBODY TAKES OFF RUNNING ON FOOT, CONVICTED FELON, THEY'RE GONNA CHASE CHASE AFTER 'EM WITH THAT CANINE, THAT CANINE WOULD BE ABLE TO JUST SOLELY DISTINGUISH AND SAY, SOMEBODY'S BEEN THROUGH HERE.
SO ONE OF THE BLOODHOUNDS WAS DONATED, RIGHT? BOTH.
LAST, LAST THING I HAVE IS, UH, JUST SOME REAL QUICK NUMBERS.
AND THIS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF HELPS.
UM, I DON'T HAVE IT FULLY UPDATED AND I APOLOGIZE TO THAT.
I STILL DIDN'T GET TIME TO GET YOU GUYS THE NUMBERS.
UM, I HAVE NO ISSUES ONCE I GET EVERYBODY ON THE SAME PAGE TO BE ABLE TO PUSH SOME MORE NUMBERS TO Y'ALL IF YOU WOULD LIKE.
UM, BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE RUNNING, WE HAVE ROUGHLY ABOUT $120,000 WORTH OF EITHER NARCOTICS OR MONIES THAT OUR CANINES WERE PART OF RECOVERING, WHETHER IT BE, UM, NOT NECESSARILY JUST THIS AGENCY.
WE DO ASSIST OTHER AGENCIES, BUT MOST OF IT IS FROM OUR, OUR AGENCY.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'VE ASSISTED RIGHT NOW IS LOOKING AT ROUGHLY 30 TIMES, 35 TIMES THAT WE'VE ASSISTED OTHER AGENCIES.
AND THAT COULD BE FOR THE BLOODHOUNDS.
ANY ONE OF OUR FIVE CANINES, UM, PROBABLY A LOT OF THOSE ARE GONNA BE FOR THE BLOODHOUNDS.
'CAUSE AGAIN, WHENEVER SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, FALK HERE NEEDS A BLOOD HOUND, THEY'RE GONNA CALL US BACK AS WELL.
UM, AGAIN, TRYING TO GET MORE CANINES IN THERE.
UH, BUT AGAIN, THEY'RE NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT UP.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD ROUGHLY, YOU KNOW, 150, PROBABLY 200 VEHICLE SNIFFS ALONE.
UM, SCHOOLS WE'VE DONE LOOKS LIKE 25 ROUGHLY NOW.
UM, WE DO HAVE A CANINE THAT'S IN THE SCHOOLS, UM, SO HE'S ABLE TO GO THROUGH AS WELL, WHENEVER THE SCHOOL REQUEST OR, OR HE DECIDES TO AS WELL.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? WHEN THE, WHEN THE DOG GOES THROUGH THE SCHOOL, HOW, AND IT HITS ON A LOCKER OR WHATEVER,
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WHAT DO YOU, I MEAN, WHAT IS THE PROCESS FROM THAT POINT ON? BECAUSE I MEAN, IF HE HITS ON THE LOCKER, BUT THE LOCKER'S LOCKED AND THAT'S THAT PERSON, DO YOU HAVE TO GET A WARRANT, GET THE PARENTS? HOW DO YOU DO THAT? THAT, THAT'S ACTUALLY GONNA BE THE SCHOOL'S PROPERTY.SO THE SCHOOL'S ABLE TO OPEN UP THE LOCKER.
NOW, IF IT'S INSIDE A BAG, IT'S OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PROBABLY DO A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY.
UM, SO, BUT YES, IF IT'S IN A LOCKER, IT'S, IT'S THE SCHOOL'S PROPERTY.
SO IF IT'S IN SIGHT, ONCE THEY OPEN IT, YOU'RE GOOD.
BUT IF IT'S, YOU CAN'T SEE IT, THEN YEAH, DEPENDING ON THE SITUATION, YES, WE'D HAVE TO GET A SEARCH WARRANT.
BEEN, BEEN HERE A WHILE, SO I'LL TRY TO MAKE IT QUICK.
UH, GONNA TOUCH ON DRUG CAESARS AND ARREST, UH, IN THE COUNTY OF WARREN AND PART OF, UH, FEDERAL TASK FORCE.
UH, OF COURSE, EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT WE'VE LEFT THE NORTHWEST REGIONAL DRUG TASK FORCE.
UH, WE DECIDED TO JOIN PARTNERS WITH FEDERAL TASK FORCE.
UH, THIS ENABLES TO EFFECTIVELY COLLABORATE AND SHARE VALUABLE RESOURCES, INFORMATION WITH EACH OTHER, FEDERAL AND LOCAL.
UM, THIS JOINT EFFORT BOLSTERS THE FIGHT AGAINST LOCAL DRUG PROBLEMS, SELLING AND USING, UH, ULTIMATELY CONTRIBUTING IN THE OVERALL SAFETY AND WELLBEING OF OUR COMMUNITIES.
UH, THE IMPLEMENTATION OF, UH, INTERDICTION UNITS.
SO WE HAVE PATROL UNITS, PLAIN CLOTHES, UH, THAT GO OUT, SEEK DRUG USERS AND DEALERS.
UH, THEY'RE USUALLY IN UNMARKED VEHICLES, MOSTLY IN PLAIN CLOTHES, UH, EITHER IN THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY, UH, TO TARGET OUR LOCAL DRUG PROBLEMS. UH, WE HAVE A TERRIBLE DRUG PROBLEM IN THE COUNTY, WARREN, IN DOWN
UH, AND IT'S GONNA TAKE EVERYBODY TOGETHER TO ATTEMPT TO SOLVE IT.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE ONE DEPARTMENT, IT'S NOT GONNA BE ONE ENTITY.
UH, NARCOTICS, UH, ARREST RELATED, UH, 2017 WAS 108, UH, 2018, A HUNDRED FIFTY NINETEEN ONE FORTY TWO.
UH, THE INTRODUCTION TO THE, UM, INTERDICTION UNITS, UH, NARCOTICS ARREST GOT UP TO 2 45 THE NEXT YEAR, 2 64.
UH, THEN DUE TO STAFFING, UH, WE'VE HAD TO ELIMINATE THAT UNIT, UH, AND RELY ON PATROL A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UH, WHICH THE DRUG ARREST, UH, FELL IN, UH, 2022.
UH, AS OF YEAR TO DATE, 96 ARREST, UH, FOR NARCOTICS RELATED, UH, OPERATIONS DIVISION.
THESE ARE SOME THAT ARE PART OF THE TASK FORCE THAT WERE, WE'RE PART OF.
AND SOME OF 'EM THAT ARE LOCAL.
UH, ON THE LEFT THERE, THAT IS COCAINE.
ON THE, ON THE RIGHT, UH, THE BLUE PILLS, THAT'S FENTANYL PILLS, PRESSED PILLS, THEY'RE ALL OVER AGAIN.
ON THE LEFT, YOU HAVE A REVOLVER, UH, AGAIN, WITH SOME PRESSED FENTANYL PILLS.
AND YOU GOT WHAT, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 11 KEYS OF COCAINE.
UH, ON THE RIGHT WOULD BE JUST THE NORMAL HEROIN, WHICH WE DON'T FIND VERY MUCH.
AGAIN, A MIXTURE OF ALL, UH, ON THE LEFT.
AND THEN OF COURSE, YOU KNOW WHERE THERE'S GUNS, UH, THERE'S DRUGS.
SO, AND WHERE THERE'S DRUGS, THERE'S GUNS.
SO WHEN YOU SEIZE 'EM, YOU USUALLY SEIZE 'EM ALL.
UH, AGAIN, FENTANYL PILLS ARE, ARE THEY LIKE TO MAIL THESE, UH, SO THE POSTAL, UH, SERVICE, UH, AND MONEY, THEY LIKE TO MAIL IT.
UH, YOU MAIL IT TO A, A BOGUS ADDRESS, YOU PICK IT UP AND YOU GO, YOU GET CAUGHT.
UH, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS.
THEY HAVE A PLAUSIBLE VIABILITY, MAJOR MUMAW.
ARE THESE COMING INTO OUR POST OFFICE LOCALLY, OR ARE YOU GETTING THIS FROM NORTHERN VIRGINIA? POST OFFICE? WHAT WE DO WITH THIS IS WE, OUR TASK FORCE OFFICER, OFFICER COVERS THE VALLEY, UH, PAGE COUNTY WORKS WITH PAGE COUNTY, SHENANDOAH COUNTY, FREDERICK COUNTY, AND WARREN COUNTY.
SO WE WILL TAG IT OR FLAG AN ADDRESS THAT WE KNOW IS A KNOWN DRUG DEALER.
WE WILL CATCH IT AT THE CHANTILLY POST OFFICE OR DISTRIBUTION CENTER, WHATEVER HE GETS IN WARREN COUNTY.
SO DO WE HAVE A RESOURCE AT THAT POST OFFICE? OUR TASK FORCE OFFICER IS A TASK FORCE OFFICER WITH THE US POST SERVICES.
SO ARE WE, SO IS THE COUNTY OF WARREN PAYING FOR THE TASK FORCE OFFICER TO BE AT THE CHELLI OR IS THIS A MUTUAL, A OUR OFFICE THAT HAS AUTHORITY AH, TO GO THERE.
SO HOW MANY OFFICERS ON THIS TASK FORCE DO WE HAVE AND HOW MUCH MUTUAL DOES THE FEDS GIVE US? IF WE'RE WITH THE FEDS? 'CAUSE IS IT PAGE COUNTY AND THE SURROUNDING COUNTIES IN ON A DIFFERENT TASK FORCE? DO THEY WORK WITH US? NO, THEY ALL WORK TOGETHER OUT OF, UH, PAGE COUNTY, FREDERICK COUNTY, THEY ALL, THEY'RE ALL IN THIS TASK FORCE, LIKE, UH, ONE OF
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OUR TASK.AND SO, UM, WE'RE INVOLVED IN THAT TASK FORCE AS WELL.
SO PART OF A LOCAL TASK FORCE, TASK FORCE OR WHATEVER, WE'RE STILL WORKING THIS AREA THAT, SO WHY WOULD WE WANNA SEPARATE FROM THEM IF WE WORK WITH THEM LIKE THIS? WE'RE NOT WORKING WITH THE STATE LOCAL TASK FORCE.
WERE LOOKING THE FED TASK FORCE.
BUT I WASN'T, I, SO PAGE COUNTY HAS TWO SEPARATE TASK FORCE ONE FED, ONE WITH THE LOCAL, DON'T KNOW EXACTLY.
I KNOW THEY HAVE MEMBERS IN THAT TASK FORCE, SO I WOULD BE MORE, I DUNNO WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WE'VE BEEN PRETTY SUCCESSFUL.
ALSO KNOW, H COUNTY ALSO STARTED AN INTER UNIT, AND SO SOME OTHER COUNTIES BECAUSE IT'S SUCCESSFUL.
UM, SO TOTAL NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT YOU HAVE WITH THE FEDS AND WHATEVER TO WORK THIS AREA? TWO.
IS THAT ENOUGH? NO, NOT WITH THE, NOT WITH THE AMOUNT OF, UM, DRUGS THAT ARE HITTING IN OUR STREET AND AFFECTING OUR COMMUNITY AT ALL LEVELS.
WE DO JAM GRANTS WITH WHERE WE GET THE VAPE SHOPS.
WE'RE CONSTANTLY GETTING REST OUT THERE FOR SOME T HT WAX AND SO ON.
SO, UH, SO WE'RE CONSTANTLY WORKING IN THIS AREA.
UM, UH, YOU NEV I DON'T THINK WE'LL EVER HAVE ENOUGH TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
SO, SHERIFF BUTLER, I HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTION, IF WE ARE, ARE MAKING AN ARREST AT THE VAPE SHOPS, AND WHY ARE THEY OPEN? WELL, BECAUSE THEY, THEY, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IF THEY'RE OPERATING CRIMINAL ENTERPRISES OUT OF THESE BUSINESSES, THEN IS IT WITHIN THE JURISDICTION FOR YOU TO ARREST THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THAT? WE ARE.
IF WE GO IN, THEY SELL TO A JUVENILE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, YOU'RE GETTING THE JUVENILE ARREST, THE JUVENILE.
HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET SOME OTHERS.
AND OUR INFORMATION HAS COME BACK THAT WE DO HAVE SOME OF THE VAPE SHOPS THAT MIGHT BE, UH, EXPERIMENTING IN SOME OTHER TYPE OF SALES.
BUT, AND WE, WE, I, I KIND OF AGREE WITH YOU.
IT LOOKS LIKE IF YOU'RE DOING ILLEGAL STUFF, YOU OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO SHUT 'EM DOWN.
SO I, SO I SEE A PICTURE OF ALL THE, THE BENJAMINS AND THE GRANTS THERE.
IS THAT, COULD YOU SAY THAT, THAT THAT MONEY'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, TAINTED.
CAN YOU, IF A DOG SNIFFS THAT CAN THE, CAN THE DOG TELL THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME TYPE OF, UH, UH, LIKE COCAINE OR SOMETHING? THEY WILL HIT ON IT.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS?
I MEAN, THEY, THAT'S, THEY REGULATE ALCOHOL, SO I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY'RE NOT ONLY GETTING THE WARRANT.
YOU'RE PART OF THE, THE FEDERAL TASK FORCE.
COULD YOU NOT BE BOTH? UM, WHY WOULD IT, IF YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE, AND IF YOU PUT IT IN YOUR BUDGET SYSTEM, I'M MORE HAPPY TO DISCUSS THAT WITH YOU.
WHY? NO OFFENSE, WHY NOT? NOW? I DON'T WANNA DISCUSS IT WITH YOU HERE.
WELL, I APPRECIATE ALL THE OFFICERS DO.
I, I KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE, IT'S, IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT JOB.
YOU GO HOME, YOU GET UP, YOU PUT YOUR UNIFORM ON, YOU DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE COMING HOME.
AND I DO APPRECIATE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THE OFFICERS IN, IN THE JOB YOU DO AND YOUR FAMILIES FOR SUPPORTING YOU TO DO IT.
AND SHERIFF BUTLER, I APPRECIATE THE GOOD JOB THAT YOU DO.
Y'ALL HAVE A BLESSED EVENING, OKAY? THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
WE WILL, WE WILL PUT THIS ON THE WEBSITE SO THAT PEOPLE CAN LOOK AT IT.
MY GLASSES ARE FOR READING, NOT FOR SITTING
ARE WE READY TO GO TO THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA? IT'S
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TOURISM UPDATE.[01:15:01]
MR. PETTY.UM, I, I WANTED TO INTRODUCE EVERYBODY TO OUR NEW TOURISM MANAGER.
SHE STARTED AT THE END OF SEPTEMBER.
WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO HAVE SOMEBODY IN THIS POSITION.
AS EVERYBODY KNOWS, THE COUNTY TOOK OVER TOURISM RECENTLY FOR THE COUNTY, AND IT'S BEEN DUBBED EXPERIENCE, WARREN COUNTY.
UM, WE'RE VERY EXCITED FOR THAT.
IT'S WHERE HISTORY, NATURE, AND FAMILY COME TOGETHER, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING WITH.
UM, BUT IT'S A PERFECT TIMING.
WE HAVE A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON HERE IN THE COUNTY WITH TOURISM.
WE'LL BE BUILDING A WEBSITE, WORKING ON STRATEGIC PLAN, WORKING ON THE BUDGET, SOCIAL MEDIA.
SO WE GOT OUR FACEBOOK UP AND GOING.
WE HAVE TWO FOLLOWERS RIGHT NOW, SO WE'RE HOPING TO EXPAND ON THAT BECAUSE AGAIN, AS I SAID, WE HAVE A LOT HAPPENING.
UM, WE JUST, COMING OFF THE HEELS OF APPALOOZA THIS WEEKEND IS THE FESTIVAL OF LEAVES AND THE HOMESTEADERS CONFERENCE, YOU KNOW, NEXT WEEK, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS IN KIND OF DIRECT, UM, IS, UH, THE CEDAR CREEK BATTLEFIELD'S COMING UP AS WELL.
AND OBVIOUSLY THE LEAVES WILL START CHANGING.
SO WE WANT TO BE ON TOP OF THAT.
BUT WE'RE, WE HAVE A LIST OF GOALS HERE AND, AND ITEMS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE WORKING ON IN THE COMING DAYS TO OBVIOUSLY HAVE STRATEGIC PLAN, UH, TALK TO YOU GUYS, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO THE BUDGET DISCUSSIONS AT THE END OF THE YEAR, BEGINNING OF NEXT YEAR, CALENDAR YEAR.
UM, BUT AGAIN, WE WANT TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO INTRODUCE YOU TO OUR NEW STAFF MEMBER.
WE'RE RIGHT HERE IN THE ADMIN OFFICE.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE COME VISIT.
BUT IF YOU DO HAVE ANY QUESTIONS TONIGHT, WE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
BUT IS THERE A PICTURE, IS THERE A PICTURE OF THE LOGO? WE DO.
WE DON'T HAVE A PRESENTATION OR ANYTHING.
UM, BUT WE OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, UM, AS PART OF OUR LIST, I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY HAS SEEN IT.
I'LL SHOW YOU THIS AS OUT CONTEXT.
UM, IF YOU CAN SHARE THIS AROUND, UH, THE IDEA CAME UP RECENTLY AND, AND JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME CONTEXT ON WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
UM, OBVIOUSLY WAY FINDING HAS BEEN IN THE PLANS.
SO WE GOT OUR, I CAME PRESENTED ABOUT ARPA THE OTHER WEEK.
WE HAVE THAT SUBMITTED, UM, TO V T C WAITING TO GET THAT FINAL APPROVAL.
UM, WE GOT EVERYTHING FROM THE TOWN ON THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A REVISION OF OUR EXISTING LOGO, WHICH PEOPLE LIKE TO CALL THE HAMBURGER LOGO.
UM, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE GONNA BE LOOKING AT.
THIS IS JUST A CONCEPT, BUT TO LOOK AT WAYS THAT, OBVIOUSLY WAY FINDING, BUT AS WE HAVE TEMPORARY EVENTS AND THINGS, WE HAVE NO MECHANISM TO ADVERTISE OR TO SUPPORT THESE THINGS.
UM, SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD, WE WILL EXPLORE FURTHER TO SHOW THAT WE CAN ADD THINGS AND BE VERY ORGANIC WHEN, WHEN NEW EVENTS AND PROGRAMS SHOW UP.
I'M SO GLAD THAT THE GOLF CART ISN'T GOING BE PART OF IT.
THIS IS JUST NOT, I LIKE THAT.
THE CONTEXT GOLF CART IS, UH, JUST SOMETHING THAT WILL BE AN EXPENSIVE GOLF CART.
SITTING OUT IN THE WEATHER IS NOT A GREAT USE
IT'S JUST PHOTOSHOPPED OUT THAT IS PAID.
BUT THAT IS THAT, THOSE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE WORKING ON AND WE'LL BE COMING TO YOU ALL WITH WITH OUR STRATEGIC PLAN.
UM, AND THAT'LL BE PART OF IT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S REAL AND YOU CAN CHANGE IT.
REALLY ABOUT CREATING, YOU KNOW, OUR IDENTITY.
SHE'S GOT A LOT TO, TO TAKE ON TO BUILD THIS UP, BUT WE'RE DEFINITELY EXCITED TO, TO HAVE HER HERE.
UM, ARE WE, ARE, AREN'T WE INVOLVED IN THE WARREN COUNTY TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL CHAMBER OF COMMERCE? WE'RE MEMBERS, UM, WE GIVE THEM RENT.
I KNOW, I KNOW
BUT WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS THEY A FAIR AMOUNT OF WORK AND A LOT OF IT IS FOR THE TOWN, WHICH I UNDERSTAND.
I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE THAT ARE INVOLVED.
IF WE ARE MEMBERS AS WELL, WE CAN GO, GO TO THEM AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'VE GOT COMING UP.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING, I WAS ACTUALLY JUST OVER AT THE CHAMBER HERE BEFORE THIS WITH THE MEETING.
I ALSO SIT WITH THEIR SMALL BUSINESS GROUP.
UM, THEY'VE BEEN HELPING US FROM E D A STANDPOINT ON SOME OF THE PROGRAMS THAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING TO HELP US GET THAT WORD OUT ON THAT.
UM, BUT WE WILL OBVIOUSLY BE WORKING WITH THEIR ORGANIZATION AS WE GROW, UM, TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO OUT IN THE COUNTY.
YOU KNOW, PARTNERSHIPS STILL WITHIN TOWN, THINGS LIKE THAT.
YOU KNOW, IT IS A PARTNERSHIP.
WE WILL BE COLLABORATING WITH THE CHAMBER AND, AND THE TOWN AND OUR REGION.
SO, UH, LAST WEEK LESLIE AND I WENT OVER TO BERRYVILLE AND MET WITH THE SHENDO VALLEY TOURISM PARTNERSHIP,
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WHICH WE ARE PART OF.AND SO SHE'LL BE MEETING WITH, UH, NINA DOWN IN PAGE VALLEY.
AND THEN IT'S TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHAT WE DO REGIONALLY, BUT ALSO LOCALLY.
AND I, I RECOMMEND THAT YOU ALSO REACH OUT TO THE, UH, TO, TO THE AIRPORT, THE FRONT ROYAL AIRPORT.
'CAUSE THAT'S A GREAT RESOURCE OVER THERE.
SO RIGHT NOW SHE'S MAKING THE ROUNDS, AND TODAY YOU WENT TO SKYLINE CAVERNS AND IT'LL BE ALSO VISITING WITH OUR GOLF COURSES AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON AND, AND UNDERSTAND THEIR NEEDS AND, AND WHAT THEY'RE SEEING IN THE MARKET AS WELL.
YEAH, WELL, I'M, I'M SO EXCITED TO EXPERIENCE WARREN COUNTY
I'VE LIVED HERE MY ENTIRE LIFE, BUT THAT WAS
AND I WAS LIKE, WELL, WHAT ABOUT EXPERIENCE WARREN COUNTY? WHERE DID WE COME IN THERE? SO I, I AM, YOU KNOW, I THINK I WISH IT HAD WORKED OUT THAT WE COULD HAVE DONE BOTH, BUT I'M SO GLAD THAT WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH THE EXPERIENCE AND BECAUSE WE'RE LOSING TOO MANY OPPORTUNITIES AND, UH, WE HAVE A LOT TO OFFER.
SO I LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR IDEAS.
I ALREADY, I SAID WHEN I FIRST CAME ON THE BOARD AND, UM, JOE ASKED TO TALK TO ME, I HAD NO IDEA THE EXPERIENCE HE HAD IN AND THE WONDERFUL VISION HE HAD FOR WARREN COUNTY.
SO I'M, I'M EXCITED THAT WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH SOME OF SOME OF THIS.
AND I WOULD ALSO SAY TO REACH OUT, WE USED TO BE THE CANOE CAPITAL.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN CALL OURSELVES THE CANOE CAPITAL ANYMORE, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS I THINK IN THAT VENUE AS WELL THAT WE COULD DO TO, UM, PROMOTE OURSELVES.
THERE'S NO REASON YOU CAN'T EXPERIENCE WARREN COUNTY AND DISCOVER FRONT OIL AT THE SAME TIME.
GO EXPERIENCE IT AND THEN DISCOVER WHERE YOU CAN EAT AND, AND DO THE THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO FOR ENTERTAINMENT.
HERE WE THAT, SO WE CAN EAT OUT THERE.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER? SO MUCH COMMENTS.
WELL, YOU, YOU GOT TO TALK A LOT, DIDN'T YOU? I'M EXCITED TO WORK FOR WARREN COUNTY AND TO CONTRIBUTE.
SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO LEARN.
SO I'M VERY EXCITED TO BE WORKING FOR WARREN COUNTY AND TO CONTRIBUTE TO IT.
OKAY, MOVING ON TO OUR NEXT ITEM FOR, UH, DISCUSSION.
[C. Discussion - State Impact Salary Adjustment - Jane Meadows ]
IMPACT SALARY ADJUSTMENT, MS. MEADOWS? THEY PUT US IN THE CORNER AGAIN.THE STATE PUT US IN THE CORNER.
HUH? OH, THAT'S, OH, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT.
I WAS WONDERING THIS COMING UP, UNFUNDED MANDATES,
YOU LINE ALL THE EMPLOYEES UP AND YOU SAY EVERY ODD, EVERY EVEN ONE GETS A RAISE AND EVERY ODD ONE DOESN'T WHAT THEY DID.
SO AS YOU FIGURED OUT, UM, IN SEPTEMBER THROUGH THE AMENDED BUDGET, THE STATE APPROVED AN ADDITIONAL 2% INCREASE FOR ALL STATE EMPLOYEES, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE STATE FUNDED POSITIONS.
WHAT I HANDED EACH OF YOU IS ACTUALLY A BREAKDOWN OF OUR FUNDING AND WHAT POSITIONS ARE STATE FUNDED.
WHICH ONES ARE PARTIALLY COUNTY SUPPLEMENTED, SO NOT FULLY STATE FUNDED AND THEN FULLY FUNDED BY THE COUNTY.
UM, SO WE HAVE 110 POSITIONS THAT RECEIVE SOME OR ALL FUNDING FROM THE STATE.
UM, OF THOSE POSITIONS, 63 OF THEM RECEIVE ADDITIONAL FUNDING FROM THE COUNTY.
SO WE HAVE TO SUPPLEMENT THE FUNDING IN ORDER FOR THEIR TEAMS TO RECEIVE THEIR CURRENT SALARY.
UM, THERE ARE 252 POSITIONS THAT ARE FULLY FUNDED BY THE COUNTY.
UM, WITH THESE, AS YOU'LL NOTICE, ESPECIALLY IN OUR, UM, CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICES, THERE ARE SOME POSITIONS THAT ARE PARTIALLY, AND THEN SOME THAT ARE FULLY, WHICH WOULD MEAN WE HAVE 80 EMPLOYEES IN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
BASICALLY EVERY OTHER ONE RECEIVES SOME FUNDING FROM THE STATE.
UM, THEREFORE IF WE SAID ONLY CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICE EMPLOYEES, LIKE I COULD GET IT, BUT MY COWORKER WASN'T IN THE SAME OFFICE DOING THE SAME JOB.
UM, SO IN LOOKING AT THAT, WE THEN LOOKED AT THE IMPACT OF THE ADDITIONAL 2%, HOW IT WOULD IMPACT THE COUNTY AND LOOK AT SOME DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.
SO THE FIRST OPTION THAT WE HAVE IS TO REJECT THE FUNDING, TELL THE STATE WE'RE
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NOT TAKING IT.UM, AND THEREFORE NONE OF OUR EMPLOYEES WOULD GET IT.
UM, WE REALIZED THAT WOULD NOT BE A GREAT OPTION FOR EMPLOYEE RELATIONS FOR OUR COUNTY, GIVEN WE'RE RECEIVING A LOT OF PUSHBACK REGARDING SALARIES.
UM, THE SECOND OPTION WOULD BE TO FUND ONLY BASICALLY THE 2% FOR CONSTITUTIONAL EMPLOYEES WHO ARE ON THE COMP BOARD AND ANY STATE FUNDED POSITION.
SO AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE DEPUTY A GETS IT.
UM, OPTION C WOULD BE TO ADDRESS ALL CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICES, UM, IN STATE FUNDED POSITIONS.
SO THEN IT WOULD BE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, D SS S, THE TREASURER, THE COMMISSIONER, CIRCUIT COURT.
HOWEVER, FINANCE WOULD NOT GET IT.
SO THE COUNTY WOULD BE DIVIDED.
AND THEN WE LOOKED AT, EVERYBODY GETS IT.
SO THE GOOD NEWS IS WHEN WE BUDGETED FOR THE ANNUAL INCREASES, UM, WE BUDGETED ROUGHLY A LITTLE OVER $1.2 MILLION.
UM, WHAT WE PAID OUT WAS A LITTLE OVER A MILLION, 18,000.
SO WE DO HAVE A SURPLUS IN THAT FUND.
AND THAT SURPLUS WOULD COVER THE TOTAL COST FOR EVERY EMPLOYEE IN THE COUNTY TO GET THE 2%? YES.
SO WHAT CAUSED THAT SURPLUS? UM, SOME IS RE TURNOVER.
WE HAVE POSITIONS THAT PEOPLE AREN'T IN.
WE HAVE OPEN POSITIONS THAT WE BUD BUDGETED FOR.
SO VACANCY SAVINGS AND SOME ONE WAS AN ERROR.
BASICALLY THE 5% GOT ADDED TO ONE DEPARTMENT.
AND THEN THE REST WE DID AS A BUCKET.
UM, SO WE COUNTED THE 5% IN THEIR SALARIES AND THEN IN THE LUMP SUM, SO IT CREATED AN OVERAGE.
SO IF WE GO TO THIS LAST OPTION AND USE SOME OF THE SURPLUS MM-HMM.
THIS NO, WE STILL ARE ABLE TO BECAUSE WE STILL BE ABLE TO STILL CORRECT.
NOW WHAT HAPPENS NEXT YEAR? UM, HOPEFULLY THE STATE'S BUDGET WON'T CHANGE.
SO THE STATE DOES A TWO YEAR BUDGET AND PART OF IT WAS A CHANGE IN ADMINISTRATION.
SO WITH THE NEW GOVERNOR, THEY WANTED TO REVISE THE PREVIOUS GOVERNOR'S APPROVED BUDGET.
SO WE DON'T FORESEE IT BEING AN ISSUE.
UM, BUT I THINK WE PROBABLY NEED TO BE A LITTLE MORE AGGRESSIVE IN OUR FORECASTING, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO BUDGETS.
UM, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HAVING HR AND FINANCE A LITTLE MORE INVOLVED DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS.
WHEREAS I THINK HISTORICALLY IT'S BEEN, SO THE NEXT BUDGET IS THE BIG BUDGET.
SO IT'S GOING TO IMPACT ABSOLUTELY.
SO, UH, MAYBE JUST TO ADD TO THAT A LITTLE BIT, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS WE WOULD LOOK AT IS THE BUDGET PROCESS NEXT YEAR.
AND PART OF THAT BUDGET PROCESS IS GOING TO BE THAT ALL OF THE PERSONNEL SECTION OF THE BUDGET WILL BE LOCKED IN FINANCE AND HR SO THAT NO INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENT CAN CHANGE ANY OF THE NUMBERS IN THAT SECTION.
SO THAT EMPLOYEE SMITH AT $43,000 IS GOING TO BE IN THE HR SYSTEM AS EMPLOYEE SMITH AT $43,000.
AND IN THE FINANCE BUDGET AS EMPLOYEE SMITH AT $43,000.
AND SO WHEN THE BOARD SEES THAT, ALL OF THAT SECTION WILL BE SET UNTIL, AND IF THE BOARD DETERMINES THAT THEY'RE GOING TO CHANGE SALARIES AND THE DEPARTMENTS WILL STILL MAKE PROPOSALS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO ADD ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL OR THEY WANT TO INCREASE POSITIONS, ET CETERA.
BUT THAT WILL BE SUPPLEMENTAL TO THE BASE, WHICH IS GOING TO BE SET.
THE BASE IS THE BASE IS THE BASE SHOULD, SHOULD WE NOT ANTICIPATE IT? SOME THOUGH, I MEAN, I, I WOULD ANTICIPATE THE STATE IS GOING TO GIVE A RAISE OF SOME SORTS.
SO THE STATE DID THE 5% IS WHAT THEY TOLD US IN THE SPRING, AND THAT'S WHAT WE BUDGETED.
THE STATE KEPT TALKING BACK AND FORTH THAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO AN ADDITIONAL RAISE AND THERE WAS NO UNIFIED POSITION DOWN THERE
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IN THE MOTHER CITY.SO ALL OF THE, UM, LITTLE SATELLITES THROUGHOUT THE COMMONWEALTH HAD TO WAIT AND SEE WHAT THE MOTHERSHIP WAS GOING TO DO.
AND THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN UNTIL SEPTEMBER.
AND WE, WE HAD IDEAS, BUT WE DIDN'T WANT TO GO TOO FAR WITH THEM UNTIL WE KNEW WHAT THEY WERE GONNA DO.
NOW, THE OTHER PART OF YOUR QUESTION, SIR, WAS NEXT YEAR IS THAT WE DO THIS, WE HAVE FUNDS TO COVER IT THIS YEAR, AS YOU SEE IN THE LAST TWO CATEGORIES OVER HERE IN THE END OF THE CHART.
BUT WE WILL HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND AND ADDRESS IT AS PART OF THE BUDGET NEXT YEAR.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ADDRESS IT ALSO.
I'M HOPING THEY PUT IT IN THE CAR TAX.
WELL, IT CONCERNS ME AS WELL AS THE PLAN TO DO, UM, THE INCREMENTAL INCREASES FROM THE PEOPLE.
THEY GET CERTIFICATIONS AND DIFFERENT THINGS.
WE'VE DONE A BETTER JOB OF WHEN WE'RE BUDGETING.
SO ACTUALLY THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA KIND OF TOUCHES ON IT.
UM, IT USED TO BE THAT WHEN WE BUDGETED A POSITION, WE WERE BUDGETING IT AT THE STARTING SALARY.
SO IT DIDN'T HAVE ANY SUPPLEMENTAL, UM, CERTIFICATIONS OR IT DIDN'T ACCOUNT FOR IF THAT PERSON HAD EXPERIENCE.
AND THEN WE WERE BASICALLY COUNTING ON SOME VACANCY SAVINGS IF WE DID HIRE SOMEONE AT A HIGHER SALARY.
UM, WELL THIS WAS THE PROGRAM WHERE IF I, I'M ALREADY HERE MM-HMM.
AND SO THAT INCREASE, AND YOU SAID THAT WASN'T A STIPEND, THAT WAS A SALARY INCREASE.
SO WHEN WE ARE DEALING WITH THE LEGISLATOR DOING THIS, I, IT WORRIES ME HOW WE DO THAT.
WE HAVE TO BUILD SOME FLUFF INTO THE BUDGET AT SOME POINT IN ORDER TO ACCOUNT FOR THIS.
SO IT'S, IF IT'S AN OPEN POSITION OR A NEW POSITION, RATHER THAN BUDGETING AT THAT ENTRY LEVEL POSITION, WE SHOULD BE BUDGETING AT EITHER A D OR A H DEPENDING ON THE POSITION.
SO FOR THE CURRENT POSITIONS WE HAVE OPEN FOR FIRE AND RESCUE, WE BUDGETED THEM AT A PARAMEDIC RATE, WHICH INCORPORATES THAT STIPEND, UM, OR SUPPLEMENTAL PAY.
THAT WAY IF WE, WE KNOW WE NEED A FIREFIGHTER WITH EITHER A E M T OR A PARAMEDIC.
IF WE HIRE A PARAMEDIC, WE DON'T WANNA INSTANTLY SHOOT OUR BUDGET OUT OF THE WATER.
SO THAT'S WHY WE WERE BUDGETING AT THAT HIGHER RATE IN ORDER TO GIVE US SOME FLEXIBILITY.
SO WE DON'T END UP SAYING, WELL, YOU OVERSPENT YOUR BUDGET.
AND THEY'RE LIKE, BUT WE HIRED WHAT WAS APPROVED.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE BUILDING IN SOME, LIKE IT'S NOT AS TIGHT AS IT HAD BEEN IN THE PAST.
SO WE'RE NOT COUNTING ON THE FACT OF WELL, YOU NEED TO LEAVE THE POSITION OPEN FOR THREE TO SIX MONTHS IN ORDER TO GIVE YOU THE CUSHION.
SO IF WE HAVE THE PEOPLE, WE WANNA HIRE THEM.
WELL I DON'T CALL THAT FLUFF, I CALL THAT PLANNING APPROPRIATELY.
SIX PS,
SO IT'S A 7% INCREASE ACROSS THE BOARD AND THEN THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL INCREASE IF SOMEBODY MOVES UP IN THEIR POSITION.
AND WHAT IS THAT? I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER.
SO FOR FIRE AND RESCUE, IF SOMEONE GOES FROM AN E M T TO INTERMEDIATE, IT'S 2,400.
FOR THE ADVANCED AND THE, THE SEVEN, THIS IS TWO BECAUSE THE BOARD APPROVED THE FIVE.
AND WHAT, BUT IT'S A 7% INCREASE THIS YEAR FOR THE YEAR.
AND THEN IF YOU ADD THE 2%, OR IF YOU ADD $2,400 OR IF YOU GET SOMEBODY REALLY AMBITIOUS WHO WANTS TO DO TWO CERTS, THEN YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER 5,000 WHICH COULD POTENTIALLY PUT THEM UP OVER 10% INCREASE.
WELL, AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU GAVE US AN OUTLINE MM-HMM.
AND THAT'S THE THING THAT I, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE I'VE HAD SOME EMPLOYEES TELL ME, HEY, I'VE GOT 10 CERTIFICATES HERE, AND I'M LIKE, HOLY SMOKES.
YOU KNOW, I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT MUCH OF AN INCREASE.
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I MEAN YEAH.IF, IF WE DON'T WORD IT RIGHT MM-HMM.
BUT WE GOTTA HAVE A CEILING ON THIS.
AND THAT'S WHERE IF WE DO SHIFT TO A FULL PAY FOR PERFORMANCE PAY STRUCTURE, IT ONE HAS TO BE BUDGETED.
UM, AND THERE HAVE TO BE PARAMETERS IN PLACE IN ORDER TO GUARANTEE, 'CAUSE IT CERTIFICATIONS YOU CAN GET ONE FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL SYSTEM.
UM, AND SO DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT PLETHORA YOU HAVE TO BE LIKE, OKAY, I'M NOW MAKING $150,000.
UM, SO THAT'S, THERE HAVE TO BE VERY STRUCTURED PARAMETERS.
SO IF WE DO MOVE TO THAT, THE BUDGETING PIECE IS KEY, MAKING SURE IT'S LAID OUT VERY CLEARLY, BECAUSE YOU CAN GET YOURSELF INTO TROUBLE IF YOU DON'T PLAN ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO IF I'M READING THESE NUMBERS CORRECTLY MM-HMM.
AND FOR THE ADDITIONAL 2%, WHICH STARTS IN DECEMBER, IS 166 K.
SO THE REMAINING SURPLUS IS ABOUT WHAT? 106 K? YES.
SO AT THE END OF THE YEAR MM-HMM.
DOES THIS GO BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND? CORRECT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WELL, GOOD FOR US, RIGHT,
UM, SO THIS GOOD PLANNING, WE WILL PUT IT ON, OF COURSE, AN AGENDA IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS APPROVED BY THE BOARD.
SO THE NEXT ITEM WE'RE ACTUALLY PULLING FOR TIME SAKE, WE'RE GONNA ACTUALLY POSTPONE IT TO EITHER THE 31ST OR NOVEMBER 14TH.
UM, SO WE'RE GONNA SKIP TO ITEM D.
OH, YOU MEAN THE HAND? WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA PUSH IT JUST BECAUSE OF THE, THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT IT'LL TAKE.
COME ON,
SO, IN THE INTERIM THOUGH, I DID MY HOMEWORK.
SO IN THE INTERIM YEAH, I DID, I READ ALL THAT FOR THIS.
SO WE CAN, YOU CAN READ IT AGAIN, WALT.
SO CAN WE JUST SEND THE QUESTIONS BEFORE NEXT MONTH? ABSOLUTELY.
IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS BASED OFF OF YOUR READING, FEEL FREE TO SEND THEM, UM, TO KAYLA AND MYSELF, AND WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT WE RESPOND TO THEM.
IT WAS A GOOD READ, BY THE WAY.
I ENJOYED IT WAS NOT A NIGHTTIME STORY.
[E. Discussion - New Position Fire and Rescue (Firefighter/Apprentice EMT) - Kayla Darr ]
THEN WE'LL JUST JUMP TO E THEN.SO I'LL, UH, NEW POSITION FOR FIRE AND RESCUE.
GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR AND BOARD MEMBERS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.
SO, UM, TONIGHT WE ARE PROPOSING THIS NEWLY GRADED POSITION FOR FIRE AND RESCUE, THE FIREFIGHTER APPRENTICE, E M T.
UM, THIS POSITION IS FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE RECEIVED THEIR FIGHT OR FIRE ONE AND TWO AND THE V O C, THE EMERGENCY VEHICLE OPERATOR CERTIFICATIONS, UM, AND THAT ARE IN THE PROCESS OF OBTAINING THEIR E M T, THE EMERGENCY MEDICAL TECHNICIAN.
SO FIRE AND RESCUE CURRENTLY HAS NINE FULL-TIME FIREFIGHTER E M T VACANCIES THAT HAVE BEEN BUDGETED AND APPROVED FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2324.
UM, WITH THIS MODIFIED POSITION, WE ARE HOPEFUL THAT IT'LL EXPAND THE APPLICANT POOL WHILE DEVELOPING THE EMPLOYEE AND ORIENTING THEM TO WARREN COUNTY FIRE AND RESCUE.
AND WITH THAT, I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
WELL, I'LL BE HONEST, WHEN I FIRST READ THIS UNDER KNOWLEDGE, SKILLS, AND ABILITIES, THE WORD SUM CONCERNED ME A LOT.
UM, BUT READING THIS AND, AND SEEING SOME KNOWLEDGE IN DIFFERENT AREAS OF, OF THINGS, I, I WAS LIKE, WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE?
UM, BUT I, I AGREE THAT IT'S A WAY TO GET PEOPLE IN THE DOOR THAT YOU CAN'T OTHERWISE GET IN.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SO IT, IT DOES MAKE SENSE TO ME AND NOT A LOT DIFFERENT THAN, UM, WITH THE SCHOOL SYSTEMS HAD TO DO WITH, UH, TEACHERS THAT ARE ACTUALLY TEACHING AS THEY GET THEIR CERTIFICATION TO BE CERTIFIED TEACHERS.
SO, UM, WE'LL SEE HOW IT WORKS.
[F. Discussion - Warren County Treasurer's Investment and Deposits Policy as a Fiscal Policy - Alisa Scott ]
ITEM IS F, WHICH IS THE WARREN COUNTY'S TREASURE INVESTMENT AND DEPOSIT POLICY AS A FISCAL POLICY.[01:40:04]
THANK YOU.THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
I HAVE A FISCAL POLICY FOR YOUR REVIEW AND POTENTIAL APPROVAL AT NEXT WEEK'S REGULAR MEETING.
THIS IS AN INVESTMENT POLICY AS A FISCAL POLICY OF THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT.
THIS POLICY HAS BEEN ADOPTED BY THE TREASURER AND PER VIRGINIA CODE.
HOWEVER, BY ADOPTING THIS POLICY AS A FISCAL POLICY, THE BOARD IS STATING THAT THEY ARE TRANSPARENT WITH THEIR INVESTMENT PROCESSES AND ACKNOWLEDGES THE IMPORTANCE OF INVESTING MONEY.
UM, AND THERE ARE HIGHLIGHTS TO THIS POLICY.
BUT FOR THE SAKE OF BREVITY, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS, I COULD ANSWER THEM VIA EMAIL AS WELL.
SO THIS IS THE POLICY THAT THE FINANCE AUDIT COMMITTEE REVIEWED? YES.
UH, THIS WAS, UH, UH, APPROVED BY THE FINANCE AUDIT COMMITTEE AT THEIR LAST MEETING.
THIS IS, THIS IS JUST AN INVESTMENT POLICY.
UM, IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO BE TRANSPARENT WITH ALL OF OUR FISCAL POLICIES.
ONE OF THE MAIN GOALS OF THE FINANCE AND AUDIT COMMITTEE IS TO ESTABLISH AN INFRASTRUCTURE OF FISCAL POLICIES THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO THE BOARD.
AN INVESTMENT POLICY IS A VERY IMPORTANT POLICY TO ADOPT AS A FISCAL POLICY.
UH, SO, UH, I'D LIKE YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AND REVIEW, UH, KNOWING THAT THE FINANCE AUDIT COMMITTEE HAS APPROVED THIS PARTICULAR POLICY AND RECOMMENDS IT FOR THE BOARD TO ADOPT AS WELL.
UM, IF IT CHANGES, UH, IF THE TREASURER CHANGES THE POLICY, I WILL BRING THIS POLICY BACK BEFORE THE BOARD TO REVIEW AS WELL.
WHAT IS THE NUMBER OF, OF, UM, FUNDS THAT WE HAVE IN INVESTMENT? DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH WE HAVE IN INVEST IN INVESTMENTS? I BELIEVE IT'S IN THE AMOUNT, YES.
UM, THERE'S 12 MILLION IN ONE INVESTMENT THAT SHE HAD, AND I DON'T MEAN TO BE SPEAKING FOR THE TREASURER, BUT THERE'S 12 MILLION IN ONE FUND THAT SHE'S HAS OVER THERE.
AND THEN THERE'S AN OPERATING FUND.
IT HAS ABOUT 11 MILLION IN IT THAT FLUCTUATES EACH DAY.
AND THEN SHE'S GOT TWO OR THREE SMALLER FUNDS, UM, THAT HAVE ABOUT 1,000,005 TOTAL BETWEEN THEM.
ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE'RE WORKING ON IS THAT THE FINANCE DIRECTOR SHOULD AUTOMATICALLY BE ABLE TO TELL OUR CASH POSITION RIGHT.
WE SHOULD HAVE IT REAL DOLLARS.
WE'VE LOOKED AT ALL THE MONEY IN SPECIAL PROJECTS, ET CETERA, AND TRIED TO TRANSLATE THAT TO REAL DOLLARS.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
THIS IS THE FIRST STEP IN GETTING ALL OF THAT STRAIGHT.
IF YOU'LL THERE WAS APPROXIMATELY, UH, 23, 20 4 MILLION TOTAL THERE, MA'AM, ARE WE GONNA SEE THIS AGAIN? I MEAN, I MEAN, I, I HAVEN'T READ THIS, I HAVEN'T ABSORBED IT.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT I'VE REALLY SEEN IT ON PAPER.
I'M GONNA, WHAT IF I DON'T LIKE SOMETHING IN IT? I'M GONNA SAY SOMETHING.
WELL, YEAH, WHAT SHE SAYS IT'S ALREADY BEEN ADOPTED.
NOT BY US, BUT IT'S BEEN ADOPTED BY THE FINANCE AUDIT COMMITTEE AS A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD.
IT'S GOING TO BE ON THE NEXT MEETING NEXT WEEK.
SO YOU CAN SEE THAT IN ITS ELECTRONIC COPY ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT WEEK.
I MEAN, IT SOUNDED LIKE YOU, IT HAD ALREADY BEEN BECOME GOSPEL ON THEIR END.
IF I MAY, THIS IS TECHNICALLY THE TREASURER'S PURVIEW.
SO THE TREASURER, RATHER THAN THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, DETERMINES HOW OUR FUNDS ARE INVESTED BY THE STATE CONSTITUTION THAT THE TREASURER DOES THIS.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANTED TO DO WAS TO GET A WRITTEN TREASURER'S INVESTMENT POLICY.
THIS HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE TREASURER MAKING, HAVING THE BOARD APPROVE.
IT WILL HELP TO MAKE IT, NUMBER ONE, IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION AND WANT TO ASK THE TREASURER ABOUT IT.
AND NUMBER TWO, TO MAKE IT PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE, THIS IS HOW IT'S INVESTED, BUT TECHNICALLY YOU
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DON'T HAVE TO INVEST IT.IT'S THE TREASURER'S BY CONSTITUTION.
DALEY, UM, WHO DECIDES, SO I'M LOOKING AT THE ALLOWABLE INVESTMENT.
SO WHO DECIDES WHICH COMBINATION OF THOSE INVESTMENTS ARE BEST FOR WARREN COUNTY? THE, AGAIN, I DON'T MEAN TO BE SPEAKING FOR THE TREASURER, BUT THE TREASURER IN CONSULTATION WITH, UM, MONEY MANAGERS.
AND, UM, WE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS ON HOW MONEY SHOULD BE INVESTED IN WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO DO IT, AND WE'RE MOVING THAT DIRECTION.
IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? DOES THAT HELP WALT? VERY GOOD.
JUST TO, UM, TO RE RESTATE WHAT, UM, MS. SCOTT SAID IS THAT THE FINANCE AUDIT COMMITTEE JUST MAKES THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
IT, SO IF ANYTHING CAME TO THE BOARD AND, AND THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION OR REVISION TO ANY POLICY THAT WE PRESENT TO THE BOARD, WE WOULD ACCEPT THAT AND, YOU KNOW, AND PUT IT BACK, YOU KNOW, ACKNOWLEDGE THE, UM, EVERYONE'S COMMENTS AND IMPLEMENT IT INTO THE POLICY.
AND IS THE TREASURER INVOLVED IN THE CONSULTATION OF THIS, OF THIS DOCUMENT? WAS SHE INVOLVED? YES.
THIS, SHE, SHE IS INVOLVED, UM, SHE IS A NON-VOTING MEMBER OF THE FINANCE AUDIT COMMITTEE.
UM, AND IT WAS, IF I COULD TELL YOU A STORY BRIEFLY, THE WAY THAT THIS INVESTMENT CALL POLICY CAME TO BE WAS THAT WE DISCOVERED THAT UNUSUALLY WE WERE ALLOWED TO INVEST FEDERAL DOLLARS, UM, AND MAKE MONEY OFF OF FEDERAL DOLLARS THROUGH THE, UM, SS LRF, WHICH IS STATE AND LOCAL REVENUE FUND, UM, AND HOW WE ARE PAYING FOR OUR BROADBAND.
AND WE FOUND OUT THROUGH THE N S V R C HOW MUCH WE WERE EARNING THROUGH THEIR BANK ACCOUNT ON OUR MONEY THAT WAS INVESTED.
SO WE ASKED OUR TREASURER HOW OUR MONEY WAS BEING INVESTED.
UM, WE GAVE HER A SPECIFIC DOLLAR AMOUNT TO HOLD UNTIL, I BELIEVE IT WAS OCTOBER OF 2023.
PLEASE INVEST THIS MONEY IN THIS SPECIFIC AMOUNT.
SO WE WORKED WITH THE TREASURER ON THIS POLICY.
IT'S A JOINT POLICY, AND SHE'S INVOLVED AS BEING A COMMITTEE MEMBER AS WELL.
AND IF, IF YOU WANNA READ WHAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING, IT'S POSTED ON THE WEBSITE, ALL OUR MEETING MINUTES, OUR AGENDAS, AND, AND, UM, IN FACT, WE HAVE THE TREASURER THAT'S INVOLVED, RIGHT? YES.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE.
SHE'S PART OF OUR COMMITTEE AS WELL.
AND THEN OF COURSE, MYSELF AND, UM, MR. BUTLER.
AND THEN WE HAVE THREE CITIZENS THAT ARE SITTING ON THE COMMITTEE AND OF COURSE, UM, MS. SCOTT AND, AND HER TEAM.
YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE, WE'RE PUTTING, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE POLICIES AND FINDING WHERE THERE ARE GAPS.
AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THERE WAS A BIG GAP WITH GETTING THIS FISCAL POLICY, UM, DOCUMENTED.
BUT YEAH, THE TREASURER IS WELL INVOLVED WITH THIS AS WELL.
SO, AND WE CONTINUE TO IDENTIFY GAPS AS WE GO ALONG.
WE ARE GONNA BE WORKING ON A DEBT POLICY NEXT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? NOPE.
[G. Carryover Package - Alisa Scott ]
SO THE NEXT ITEM IS CARRYOVER PACKAGE.LAST YEAR WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT YOU WERE PRESENTED WITH A CARRYOVER PACKAGE AND WHAT A CARRYOVER PACKAGE MEANS IS ANY UNSPENT PROJECTS FROM THE PREVIOUS FISCAL YEAR ARE ESSENTIALLY CARRIED FORWARD TO THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, WE DO NOT HAVE A TRUE PURCHASE ORDER OR ENCUMBRANCE SYSTEM, AND WE ARE WORKING ON TRYING TO OBTAIN ONE WITH OUR NEXT FISCAL, UH, SOFTWARE SYSTEM.
UH, IN THE MEANTIME, A CARRYOVER PACKAGE IS, UM, THROUGH AN EXCEL SPREADSHEET, IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO BE PRESENTING WHAT WE NEED TO HAVE CARRIED OVER IN THE VARIOUS FUNDS THAT YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU.
SO THERE'S GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED BOTH BY THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT THROUGH THE PURCHASING AGENT AND THROUGH THIS BOARD IF IT WAS OVER $50,000 OR IF IT WAS ROLLING STOCK.
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FUNDS HAS A TOTAL AMOUNT OF DOLLARS THAT NEED TO BE CARRIED FORWARD TO FISCAL YEAR 24, BECAUSE THOSE MONIES HAVE NOT BEEN SPENT, BUT THEY HAVE BEEN PROMISED ESSENTIALLY.SO IT IS THE BOARD'S RESPONSIBILITY TO TAKE A LOOK AT THESE PURCHASE ORDERS AND REVIEW THEIR PURPOSE AND ASK ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE, AND ALSO, UH, APPROVE THEM WHEN THE TIME COMES TO CARRY THEM FORWARD TO THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR SO THAT THEY CAN BE SPENT AS THE EXPENDITURES ARE REALIZED.
UH, YOU'LL SEE ON HERE FIRE TRUCKS, AMBULANCES, MAJOR THINGS, BOX CULVERTS THAT THE BOARD HAS APPROVED BEFORE.
YOU ALSO GOING TO SEE SOME SMALLER AMOUNTS TOO.
LAST YEAR THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF PURCHASE ORDERS THAT THE BOARD APPROVED WAS AROUND $18,000.
THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAD SPENT IN 22 THAT NEEDED TO BE CARRIED FORWARD TO 23.
THAT IS THE LOWEST AMOUNT OF CARRY FORWARD THAT I'VE EVER SEEN.
UM, THIS YEAR IT'S ABOUT $6 MILLION.
SO THIS IS GOING TO BE THE BEGINNING OF THE CARRYOVER PACKAGE.
UM, AND I'D LIKE TO PROVIDE THE DETAIL OF THE PURCHASE ORDERS TO YOU, UH, THROUGH EACH, UH, FUND.
SO YOU'VE GOT THE FEDERAL, I'M SORRY, YOU'VE GOT THE GENERAL FUND, THE ASSET REPLACEMENT FUND, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND, THE AIRPORT FUND, AND THE COST RECOVERY FUND.
IN GENERAL, ALL OF THESE FUNDS HAVE BEEN APPROPRIATED AND NOW WE ARE REQUESTING THAT YOU REVIEW THEM TO CARRY THEM FORWARD TO FISCAL YEAR 24.
SO MY QUESTION, LES, THE, UM, UH, FIRE AND RESCUE EQUIPMENT, HAS ANY OF THESE PURCHASES A NECESSITY TO BE CARRIED OVER TO THE NEXT YEAR? YES, IT IS.
SHOULD WE NOT AT LEAST HIGHLIGHT THOSE SO WE'LL KNOW TO, WE DON'T HAVE TO REALLY BE THINKING ABOUT THOSE.
THEY WOULD ALL BE A NECESSITY.
UH, THEY ARE PURCHASE ORDERS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT, UM, BY THE PURCHASING AGENT.
SO THEY ARE ALL IMPORTANT AND NEEDED PURCHASES.
SO THE PREVIOUSLY WE APPROVED THESE POS, THEY JUST HAVEN'T BEEN, THEY HAVEN'T COME IN YET OR THEY HAVEN'T BEEN, YOU KNOW, UH, BILLED YET.
AND IT'S, THIS IS MORE OR LESS IT'S NOT NEW.
IT'S MORE OR LESS A HOUSEKEEPING ITEM FOR A LACK OF BETTER TERM.
BUT I DO WANT YOU TO BE AWARE OF EVERY SINGLE PURCHASE ORDER THAT WE HAVE REQUESTED TO BE CARRIED FORWARD.
BECAUSE I KNOW, I REMEMBER WHEN WE APPROVED THIS, THE PUMPER, FOR INSTANCE MM-HMM.
SO EVERY FISCAL YEAR WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE TO CARRY IT, IT OVER CARRY IT FORWARD.
SO THESE ARE COMMITTED, COMMITTED ACQUISITIONS OKAY.
FUNDS AND THEY, AND, AND THERE'S JUST NO OTHER.
I, MY UNDERSTANDING IS YOUR CURRENT FISCAL SOFTWARE DOESN'T HAVE THE CAPACITY FOR YOU TO DO THIS IN ANY OTHER WAY, BUT A SPREADSHEET, WELL, REGARDLESS OF THE ENCUMBERING SYSTEM, THE BOARD STILL NEEDS TO APPROVE THE CARRYOVER.
BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF THE TRUE BUDGET PROCESS.
THE BOARD HAS SEEN THE FISCAL YEAR 24 BUDGET AND HAS APPROVED THE, UM, APPROPRIATIONS FOR EACH OF THESE FUNDS.
HOWEVER, IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE FUNDS CARRY FORWARD, WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT BE APPROVED BY THE GOVERNING BODY.
SO THAT'S THE TECHNICALITY OF THIS PIECE.
SO THEN WOULD YOU SAY THAT THESE, THESE FUNDS HAVE, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY'RE COMMITTED, WHICH IS, THEY'VE BEEN SET ASIDE VERSUS OBLIGATED, WHICH IS YOU'VE, YOU'VE, YOU HAVE CONTRACTED WITH THESE FOLKS, YOU'RE JUST WAITING FOR THIS THING TO COME IN.
IT'S A SO, SO IS THAT, IS IT THE LATTER? IT'S A CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE WITH THESE INDIVIDUAL VENDORS FOR THE PURCHASE OF THE GOODS AND SERVICES LISTED.
SO THEN THEY, THEY JUST HAVE NOT COME IN YET.
SO THEN THIS MONEY IS, UH, THE $6 MILLION THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS IT'S SITTING THERE.
WE CAN'T TOUCH IT BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY, WE'VE ALREADY SAID WE'RE GONNA BUY THAT HAMBURGER AND, UH, SO WE'RE JUST WAITING FOR HIM TO FINISH COOKING IT.
SO MS. SCOTT, YOU SAID IT WAS $6 MILLION, BUT, SO I'M LOOKING AT 2.88 ON THE FRONT SIDE AND 1.4 ON THE BACK.
I SAY IT'S 51 ON THE FRONT SIDE.
ARE THERE, SO, SO EACH BOLD IS TO BE ADDED TOGETHER.
IS THAT TO BE ADDED TOGETHER? YES.
NOW THAT GIVES YOU A BIGGER PICTURE OF ALL OF THE BUDGET AND NOT JUST THE GENERAL FUND.
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THIS, UM, READY WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL FOR THE CARRYOVER.AND THAT WILL INCLUDE THE APPROPRIATIONS FOR THE CAPITAL ASSET AND THE, UM, ASSET REPLACEMENT THOSE, UH, FUNDS, AS WELL AS THESE PURCHASE ORDERS.
THIS DOES TRIGGER THE, UH, DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR A PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE IT IS 1% OF OUR TOTAL BUDGET.
SO, UH, THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING THAT WILL BE REQUIRED TO HAVE THIS BE APPROVED.
AND LIKE I SAID, IT'S, IT IS A NORMAL THING.
IT'S, IT'S PART OF THE PROCESS.
UH, BUT OR JUST BE MORE TRANSPARENT.
WE'RE, I DON'T REMEMBER DOING IT IN THE PAST.
WE DID A CARRY FORWARD LAST YEAR.
YOU DIDN'T GET THE DETAIL BECAUSE WE LITERALLY ONLY HAD ONE PURCHASE ORDER, WHICH IS UNHEARD OF.
UH, BUT NOW WE HAVE ALMOST $6 MILLION WORTH OF PURCHASE ORDERS.
SO, SO, SO THE, SO I'M JUST CURIOUS ON THE, THE FUEL MASTER UPGRADE.
DO, DO THEY HAVE AN IDEA AS TO WHEN THAT MAY BE COMING THROUGH? I THINK OUR BUYER LET ME KNOW THAT SHE HAD A MEETING OUT THERE, A KICKOFF MEETING.
UM, I DON'T HAVE A TIMEFRAME IN MIND, BUT I DO KNOW THAT THAT IS HAPPENING AS WE SPEAK.
SO THAT'S GETTING IMPLEMENTED.
SO JUST, I'M JUST ASKING FOR CLARIFICATION.
EMERGENCY MOLD REMEDIATION, I'M ASSUMING THAT'S COURTHOUSE.
SO WE, WE HAVEN'T, OR THERE MIGHT BE SOME OUTSTANDING EXPENDITURES THAT WE HAD TO PAY, UH, BETWEEN JULY OF 23 AND THE END OF AUGUST.
THOSE TECHNICALLY NEED TO BE CARRIED FORWARD EVEN THOUGH IT'S SEPTEMBER.
UH, YEAH, I WOULD THINK THAT, I THOUGHT THE SAME THING WOULD'VE BEEN WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THE CHILDREN'S SECTION OF THE LIBRARY.
IT'S, IT'S BEEN DONE FOR A WHILE.
I JUST, RIGHT, YOU KNOW, THOUGHT WE ALREADY, BUT IT WAS DONE AFTER JULY ONE.
UM, THE, THE A E D EQUIPMENT ON HERE WAS DONE BACK THIS SUMMER, BUT THE LAST BILL WAS AFTER JULY ONE.
SO IT NEEDS TO BE COUNTED AS THIS YEAR'S EXPENDITURE.
YES, WE'VE RECEIVED MOST OF THOSE AEDS.
WE'RE JUST WAITING ON, IRONICALLY, THE CHILDREN'S PORTION OF THE AEDS, UM, TO GET HERE.
SO, UH, THAT'S HOW THAT FUNDS, THOSE FUNDS NEED TO BE CARRIED FORWARD TECHNICALLY TO FISCAL YEAR 24.
I GUESS I'M, I'M JUST USED TO PAYING BILLS MONTHLY AND KNOWING IT'S BEEN DONE SEVERAL MONTHS BACK, I JUST FIGURED IT WAS PAID FOR, BUT IT'S GOOD TO HAVE IT ON HERE SO WE CAN SEE.
SO PLEASE LEMME KNOW IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING, UM, THE CARRYOVER PACKAGE AND THE FISCAL POLICY FOR INVESTMENT AND DEPOSITS.
SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GETTING READY FOR FISCAL YEAR 20.
YOU HAVEN'T SEEN ME FOR A WHILE, BUT HERE I AM AND I'M READY TO GET EXCELLENT.
OUR NEXT DISCUSSION IS THE ZONING TAX AMENDMENT Z 2023 DASH OH EIGHT DASH OH TWO FOR SHORT TERM REYNOLDS MS IN THE ROOM OVER HERE WAS NICE ENOUGH TO THIS FOR ME, BUT I GRABBED DID YOU GIVE ONE FOR MS? THANKS.
ARE WE, OH, MR. MR, DO YOU WANNA TAKE A BREAK, MR. THIS TURN? YEAH, RIGHT BACK.
LET'S TAKE A, A LITTLE FIVE MINUTE BREAK.
UM, ARE WE BACK? OKAY, THANK YOU.
[H. Discussion - Zoning Text Amendment Z2023-08-02 - Short-Term Tourist Rentals - Warren County Planning Staff]
ITEM WAS, UM, IS THE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT FOR Z 20 23 0 8 DASH OH TWO.SO THIS IS A TEXT AMENDMENT FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTALS THAT WE'RE TAKING THROUGH THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS.
UH, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, UH, THIS ITEM HAS MOVED THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
KIND OF GO OVER WHAT HAPPENED THERE AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION HERE.
BUT I DID PUT TOGETHER A BRIEF PRESENTATION, UH, TO KIND OF SYNTHESIZE, YOU KNOW, THE HISTORY OF SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTALS, WHAT WE'VE SEEN AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, MOVING FORWARD.
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GO.UM, SO THIS IS THE HISTORY OF SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTALS IN OUR COUNTY.
WE HAVE DONE THREE TEXT AMENDMENTS ON THIS USE SINCE 2012 WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY ADDED.
WAS ORIGINALLY ALLOWED BY WRIGHT IN THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT ON PROPERTIES OVER FIVE ACRES IN SIZE AND BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN THE RESIDENTIAL ONE.
AND FOR PROPERTIES UNDER FIVE ACRES IN SIZE IN THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT.
AND THEN IN 2014, UH, THE SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS WERE EXPANDED AND THE LISTED USE WAS AMENDED, MAKING IT BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN, UH, BOTH THE AGRICULTURAL AND RESIDENTIAL AND DISTRICTS REGARDLESS OF THE ACREAGE.
AND THEN IN 2017, I BELIEVE THE USE WAS ADDED TO THE RURAL RESIDENTIAL ZONING.
SO IN THAT TIME WE HAVE GOTTEN FEEDBACK, UH, FROM YOU ALL FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND FROM BOTH CITIZENS, NEIGHBORS AND APPLICANTS OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS.
AND, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT BODIES HAVE IDENTIFIED DIFFERENT NEEDS FOR DIFFERENT THINGS,
UM, SO WE'RE KIND OF DOING OUR BEST TO SYNTHESIZE ALL OF THAT INTO SOMETHING THAT WORKS FOR THE COUNTY.
UM, SO BASICALLY WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH OPTIONS, UM, IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR.
I BELIEVE WE HAD A WORK SESSION TO KIND OF PULL WHAT YOU GUYS WERE THINKING WITH THIS USE AND WHAT YOU WANTED TO SEE.
AND THE MESSAGE I GOT WAS THAT YOU WANTED OPTIONS
I GAVE YOU TWO WHOLE OPTIONS,
UM, SO THE FUNNY THING ABOUT THEM IS THE SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS THAT ARE PROPOSED TO BE CHANGED IN BOTH OPTIONS ARE THE EXACT SAME.
SO THESE ARE VERY SIMILAR ORDINANCES WITH ONE SPECIFIC DIFFERENCE AND WE'LL GO OVER THAT AFTER I GO THROUGH WHAT IS THE SAME BETWEEN THEM.
SO WE ARE AMENDING ALMOST ALL
THIS IS IN RESPONSE TO POINTS OF CONFUSION IN THE SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS IDENTIFIED BY BOTH STAFF AND BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION BY CONFUSED APPLICANTS.
AND YOU'LL SEE, UM, WE KIND OF JUST CLEAN UP THE LANGUAGE RIGHT NOW.
IT'S JUST BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
UM, SO WE'RE GETTING RID OF SOME OF THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE WHEN IT WAS BY RIGHT IN THE AG LOTS OVER FIVE ACRES.
I BELIEVE THAT WAS JUST MISSED WHEN IT WAS AMENDED IN 2014.
AND IT CLARIFIES THE CERTIFICATE OF ZONING AS KIND OF THE FINAL STEP IN THE PROCESS.
AND FOR E WE JUST THOUGHT THAT THE LANGUAGE WAS CONFUSING SO WE KIND OF REWORDED IT.
AND WE ALSO BUILT IN THIS, UH, ALLOWANCE FOR ONE NON ILLUMINATED IDENTIFICATION SIGN, OR THE MAXIMUM SIGN AREA IS FOUR SQUARE FEET.
SO THIS ISN'T REALLY IN OUR CODE ANYWHERE.
UH, WE HAVE, UH, AN ALLOWANCE FOR A HOME OCCUPATION SIGN AND WE HAVE AN ALLOWANCE OR A, A GENERIC ALLOWANCE FOR A 16 SQUARE FOOT SIGN FOR A USE ALLOWED BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
SO THIS KIND OF GETS AHEAD OF THAT.
UM, THEREFORE, YOU KNOW, PLACE THESE PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA BE PUTTING UP 16 SQUARE FOOT IDENTIFICATION SIGNS THAT, UM, MAY CAUSE SOME VISIBILITY ISSUES.
UH, AND FOR SUBSECTION I THERE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF TAMED DOWN THE LANGUAGE 'CAUSE IT KIND OF SEEMED LIKE IT WAS LIKE, ALL RIGHT, WELL IF THEY RE THE H O A OR P O A RECOMMENDS DENIAL, THEN IT'S, IT'S DEAD RIGHT THERE.
YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T GET TO MOVE FORWARD.
UM, WHEREAS THE PROCESS THAT WE FOLLOW NOW IS THAT WE REQUEST COMMENTS FROM ANY H O A OR P O A THAT WE ARE AWARE OF AT THE COUNTY LEVEL, UH, ONCE WE RECEIVE THE APPLICATION AND THOSE COMMENTS ARE PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND YOU ALL AT THE BOARD LEVEL.
AND FOR ITEM J, UH, THIS IS OUR LANDLINE REQUIREMENT.
SO WE DON'T WANNA GET RID OF THAT.
WE HAVE PLENTY OF PLACES THAT DON'T HAVE SERVICE.
UM, BUT WE HAVE PLENTY OF PLACES THAT HAVE GREAT SERVICE.
UM, SO INSTEAD OF JUST REQUIRING ALL PROPERTIES TO HAVE A LANDLINE, UM, WE, I'VE WORKED IN LANGUAGE FOR OR OTHER RELIABLE MEANS OF TELE COMMUNICATION.
SO THIS WOULD INCLUDE LIKE B O I P SERVICES THROUGH YOUR WIFI.
SOME PERSON WAS TELLING ME ABOUT SOME BONE SERVICE THAT ELON MUSK IS DOING NOW HAS ITS OWN SATELLITES.
AND I WAS LIKE, ALRIGHT, SURE.
UM, AND FOR, FOR, UH, N SO THE LANGUAGE THAT WE CROSSED OUT THERE, THAT WAS, THAT'S IN THE CURRENT CODE FOR OUTDOOR BURNING.
UM, THIS WAS JUST FOR ORGANIZATION PURPOSES.
UM, AND SUBSECTION N IT BASICALLY CLARIFIES THE POST-APPROVAL PROCESS.
AFTER YOU GUYS APPROVE IT, THEY DO NEED TO GET THEIR BUSINESS LICENSE AND TRANSIENT OCCUPANCY TAX ACCOUNT WITH THE COMMISSIONER REVENUE.
AND SO THAT TAKES US TO SUBSECTION H, WHICH
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GETS ITS OWN SLIDE BECAUSE I BELIEVE THIS WAS THE BIGGEST SOURCE OF FEEDBACK FROM YOU ALL.AND SO LIKE THE, THE BIGGEST PART OF THIS IS THAT WE HAVE THIS KIND OF CONFUSION OVER WHAT LOCAL MEANS FOR LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGER, LOCAL POINT OF CONTACT, UH, AND YOU ALL HAVE ASKED FOR IT TO BE GIVEN CLEAR AND MEASURABLE CONTEXT.
UM, AND SO SINCE, AND ALSO, UH, TO EXPLAIN THE, THE CODE HERE, I'LL JUST PULL IT UP.
UH, AT THE END HERE, WE DID TAKE, UH, THE NOISE ORDINANCE, SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATION, WHICH IS THE NOISE ORDINANCE ISN'T ENFORCED BY THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
UM, BUT SINCE IT IS REQUIRED TO BE POSTED WITH THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN, WE JUST PUT IT INTO THIS SAME, UH, SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATION, AND WE'RE TRYING TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF LETTERS IN OUR CODES
AND SO AS FAR AS LOCAL, UH, WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE, UM, GETTING AT WITH THAT IS, WELL, WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING, AND OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN LET US KNOW IF YOU HAVE A BETTER SUGGESTION.
UH, WE'RE LOOKING FOR A LOCAL POINT OF CONTACT WHO IS PRIMARILY LOCATED WITHIN 30 MILES OF THE PROPERTY USED FOR SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTALS.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU GUYS HAVE ALL HAVE ASKED, AND THE CODE ALSO ASKS FOR SOMEONE TO BE AVAILABLE TO RESPOND IMMEDIATELY TO COMPLAINTS.
UH, AND GIVEN THAT YOU HAVE ASKED FOR CLEAR AND MEASURABLE CONTEXT, WE THINK A NUMBER AND SOMETHING THAT WE CAN USE RESOURCES TO CONFIRM, YOU KNOW, MEASUREMENT, UH, MEASURE, UH, WOULD BE A GOOD WAY TO DO IT.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANIES IN THE AREA THAT THESE PEOPLE COULD, UH, SEEK OUT IF THEY DON'T MEET THAT REQUIREMENT.
THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THAT.
AND I ALSO WANTED TO MENTION THAT WE, BEFORE YOU MOVE ON, YEAH.
SO, IS 30 MILES ACCEPTABLE FOR PEOPLE UP HERE? I KEEP HEARING SEEMS REASONABLE.
IS THAT REASONABLE? YOU KNOW, JUST FROM OUR DISCUSSIONS, THE PAST, SAY FRONT WALL, GETTING CLOSE TO 17 MILES, WINCHESTER WOULD BE ABOUT, THAT'S 30 MILES, 23 MILES THE SIDE OF WINCHESTER.
SO, YEAH, I MEAN, BULK HERE WOULD BE THE SAME TYPE THING.
SHOULD IT BE A MILEAGE OR SHOULD, SHOULD IT BE A, A CON? SO THAT WAS HOW I WROTE IT AT FIRST
AND THEN WE THOUGHT ABOUT HOW WE'RE GONNA MEASURE THAT.
UM, SO ARE WE GONNA ASSUME THAT THEY'RE DRIVING THE SPEED LIMIT AND THAT THEY'RE ALL TAKING THE SAME ROUTE? NO, I THINK MILEAGE IS THE ONLY WAY TO DO IT.
I THINK IT'S A LITTLE EASIER TO DO MILEAGE.
WE COULD EVEN PULL UP MULTIPLE ROUTES AND SEE WHICH ONE IS SHORTEST, YOU KNOW, SO THEN IT COULD BE NICE TO PUT IN TIME, BUT THEN THAT'S NOT REALLY MANAGEABLE.
IT'S DIFFICULT TO MEASURE THAT.
AND I COULD JUST SEE NOW, WELL, I CAN GET THERE IN 25 MINUTES.
WELL, GOOGLE MAPS SAYS IT'LL TAKE YOU AN HOUR, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE
WE WANNA USE, YOU KNOW, GOOGLE MAPS OR, OR A G P S OR SOMETHING TO SAY HOW FAR THEIR HOUSE IS FROM WHERE THIS HOUSE IS, AND WE'LL JUST USE THAT NUMBER AND IF NOT, THEN WE CAN POINT THEM TO SOME LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANIES OR OTHER CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT HOLDERS THAT MANAGE MULTIPLE PROPERTIES.
WELL, I BE REASONABLY JUST BECAUSE SOMEBODY SAYS THEY THERE IN 20 MINUTES, WE WHAT THEY'RE GONNA BE DOING, BUT THEY CAN'T JUST DROP.
SO I THINK MILES MAKES MORE SENSE, EVEN IF THEY HAVE TO STOP DOING SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WITHIN 30 MILES, THEY'RE, THEY'RE WITHIN REASONABLE TIME ZONE.
I MISSED THE 30 MINUTES BECAUSE THE STATE POLICE KEPT ME FOR 25.
AND ALSO, I JUST WANTED TO, UH, ALSO ADD, UH, BEFORE WE MOVE ON, I, WE DID WORK IN THE, WHEN THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN IS TO BE SUBMITTED, AND THAT IS UPON INITIAL APPLICATION.
SO YOU WILL SEE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL SEE THAT BEFORE, YOU KNOW, THEY SEE ANYTHING ELSE OR IT'LL BE INCLUDED IN WHAT THEY SEE FOR THEIR INITIAL REVIEW.
BEFORE YOU MOVE ON, I WANNA GO BACK TO THE POINT OF CONTACT.
SO IT SAYS, THE PLAN SHALL INCLUDE LOCAL POINTS OF CONTACTS, PRIMARILY LOCATED WITH 30 MILES.
SO THAT'S FOR ANY, ANY POINT OF CONTACT HANDYMAN, THE OWNER.
IS THAT, SO THE WAY WE WOULD ENFORCE IT, WE WOULD LOOK FOR SOMEONE TO LIST ON THEIR PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN, AN INDIVIDUAL WHO IS PRIMARILY LOCATED WITHIN 30 MILES.
SO THAT'S THE OF THE PROPERTY, THE PRIMARY POINT OF CONTACT.
SO THIS WOULD BE LIKE A PROPERTY MANAGER.
AND IT CAN BE IN CASE OF EMERGENCIES.
UH, I'M SURE MOST PEOPLE THAT RUN THEIR SHORT-TERM RENTALS WOULD LIKE TO GET THE CALL FIRST WHEN THERE ARE ISSUES, AND THEN THEY CAN CALL THEIR HANDYMAN OR WHOEVER THEY HAVE AS A PROPERTY MANAGER TO GO, YOU KNOW, KICK SARAH AND
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JAY OUT.IT'S MORE SO, UH, THE PRO, UH, A SINGLE INDIVIDUAL WE WOULD BE LOOKING TO, TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND.
SO DO YOU THINK THIS, THIS NARRATIVE SHOULD CHANGE A LITTLE BIT? 'CAUSE I READ IT AS THE PLAN SHALL INCLUDE LOCAL POINTS OF CONTACTS, LOCAL POINTS OF CONTACT, PRIMARILY LOCATED WITHIN 30 MILES.
SHE, YOU KNOW, OR DOES THAT COVER IT? I'M JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY IT.
WELL, SOMEBODY'S GOT MULTIPLE PEOPLE.
SAY, IF I'M NOT AVAILABLE, THEN YOU'RE THE NEXT PERSON DOWN ON THE LIST.
SO THAT WOULD MAKE IT POINTS OF CONTACT.
UM, AND THAT WOULDN'T BE A BAD THING TO HAVE A BACKUP PERSON.
PEOPLE GO ON VACATION OR GET SICK.
BUT THEY SHOULD BE WITHIN THE 30 MILES.
WHO THEY CONTACT THEN TO RESOLVE AN ISSUE WOULD BE, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO MILEAGE LIMIT OR SOMETHING.
SPECIFIC ON THAT, IF THEY WANT TO CALL, IF THEY HAVE A HVAC PROBLEM, THEY HAVE TO BE WITHIN 30 MILES, BUT THEN THE VAC PERSON DOES NOT MM-HMM.
AS LONG AS EVERYONE'S OKAY WITH IT.
YEAH, I GUESS I COULD HAVE PUT IT THE, AS IN PARENTHESES.
WHAT, EH, I MEAN, SINCE WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS FOR CLARIFICATION, YOU KNOW, I JUST THOUGHT MAYBE LET'S MAKE SURE, YEAH.
YOU ALL TELL ME THAT YOU DON'T LIKE IT.
YOU WANNA MAKE SURE WE GET A VERY CLEAR BEFORE WE TO PUBLIC HEARING YOU WANT IT REWRITTEN
THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE, RIGHT,
ALRIGHT, WE'RE WE'RE TAKING YEAH, EXACTLY.
SO THIS IS LARGELY IN, NOT TO GIVE YOU ALL ANY CREDIT, BUT
SO THESE ARE ACTIVITIES THAT THEY DO NOT WANT TRANSIENT GUESTS PARTICIPATING IN.
YOU HAVE SEEN THESE AS CONDITIONS ON EVERY SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL APPLICATION WE'VE HAD FOR THE PAST YEAR AND A HALF OR SO MM-HMM.
UH, WE DO HAVE ONCE, THE ONLY SITUATION WHERE I'VE SAID IT WAS OKAY WAS WHEN IT, IT WAS A PROPERTY WHERE THE OWNER STAYED THERE TOO, AND THEY WERE SUPERVISING, IT'S YOUR PROPERTY
UM, SO YES, THERE'S OUTDOOR BURNING AND USE OF FIREWORKS USE OF ALL TERRAIN VEHICLES, AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE ON, UH, THE PROPERTY ITSELF ON, UH, SUBDIVISION ROADS AND ON COUNTY AND STATE ROADS.
AND ALSO PROHIBITING THE HUNTING AND DISCHARGE OF FIREARMS. JUST TO NOTE, THESE ARE SPECIFICALLY FOR THE TRANSIENT GUESTS.
IF YOU OWN A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL, YOU CAN DO ALL OF THESE THINGS WITH YOUR PROPERTY.
IT'S JUST YOUR TRANSIENT GUESTS AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION ESSENTIALLY, IF FOUND THAT THESE, THE TRANSIENT GUESTS DON'T CARE AS MUCH, UH, ABOUT THE PROPERTY AS THE OWNER, THEY OBVIOUSLY HAVE A MORE VESTED INTEREST IN THE, THE PROPERTY, MORE, MORE CARE ABOUT ITS MAINTENANCE AND, YOU KNOW, BEING SAFE AND, AND CAREFUL WITH EVERYTHING.
SO HOW DOES THE NEIGHBORS ENFORCE THIS? THAT IF, IF THERE'S A, A GUEST THAT'S VIOLATING ANY OF THOSE, IT IS CALLED THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
SO THEY WOULD CALL US AT PLAN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
YOU KNOW, THAT MAY BE A NEXT DAY THING.
UM, BUT IF, IF IT'S WITHIN A TIMEFRAME, UH, YOU KNOW, A DECENT TIMEFRAME, WE CAN USUALLY GET IN CONTACT WITH THE APPLICANT.
I CAN THINK OF ONE, UM, MAYBE ABOUT A YEAR AGO, MAYBE A LITTLE LESS, UH, WHERE A, A FELLA HAD, UM, HE HAD A FIRE PIT, BUT HE BLOCKED IT OFF AND HE HAD, UH, LIKE HIS, HIS WOOD WAS LIKE, RUB OFF, LIKE, DON'T USE THIS.
AND THE GUESTS LIKE, WENT THROUGH THE ROPE AND, AND MADE A FIRE ANYWAY.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I CALLED HIM UP AND I HAD HIM, UH, AMEND HIS PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN TO MAKE IT GLARE IN BIG LETTERS AND DO NOT TOUCH MY WOOD
UM, AND ACTUALLY THINK THAT HE ENDED UP SELLING THE PROPERTY, BUT, UH, WAS ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE PRETTY QUICKLY.
AND I HAVEN'T HEARD, HADN'T HEARD ANYTHING UNTIL HE SOLD THE PROPERTY.
SO THE PENALTY WOULD JUST NOTIFY THE OWNER.
SO, UM, WE DO TRY TO WORK WITH THEM IF IT IS LIKE THE FIRST TIME WE'VE GOTTEN A COMPLAINT OR SOMETHING MM-HMM.
UM, SO THE PRO, THE WAY THAT PROCESS LOOKS LIKE, IT'S BASICALLY WE SEND A LETTER SIMILAR TO A NOTICE OF VIOLATION.
IT GIVES THEM 30 DAYS TO RESPOND SAYING WHY THEIR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT SHOULD NOT BE REVOKED.
UM, YOU KNOW, I KIND OF ASSESS THAT, THAT RESPONSE, AND IF I'M ALRIGHT, COOL, WELL WE WON'T REVOKE IT, THEN WE CAN NOT REVOKE IT.
BUT IF, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LIKE, WELL THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE, WE'RE GONNA MOVE IT FORWARD FOR REVOCATION.
UH, IT WOULD GO THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION VERY SIMILAR TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT ITSELF.
UH, AND THEY WOULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AND THEN YOU ALL WOULD HEAR IT AND VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT TO REVOKE THAT PERMIT.
WE'VE NOT HAD TO REVOKE ANY SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL PERMITS AT THIS TIME.
UM, TYPICALLY I'M ABLE TO GET IN CONTACT WITH, WITH THOSE OWNERS AND ADDRESS THE ISSUES.
BUT IF YOU'VE GOT, IF YOU'VE GOT A SITUATION TO WHERE YOU'VE GOT EXCESSIVE NOISE
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OR A PARTY OR, OR WHATEVER, THEN YOU CALL THE SHERIFF.I, I MEAN THAT'S THE, THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST THING THAT I WOULD DO IF YOU'VE GOT A PROBLEM THAT IS THAT TYPE OF SPECIFIC MM-HMM.
BUT IF YOU DON'T CALL THE SHERIFF, THEN YOU TALK TO THE OWNER AND YOU TALK TO PLANNING TOMORROW.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE, UM, ANYONE NEIGHBOR'S NOT GONNA LIKE THAT.
ANYONE WHO'S COMPLAINING, I WOULD ENCOURAGE THEM TO, IF THERE'S A NOISE ISSUE TO CONTACT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AS THEY ENFORCE THE NOISE ORDINANCE.
BUT I WOULD ALSO ENCOURAGE THEM TO CONTACT US BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE AN AUTOMATIC COMMUNICATION CHAIN WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN MAN, YOU KNOW, MANAGE THAT INTO THEIR, THEIR TIME AND, AND, UH, AND HOW THEY RESPOND TO THESE COMPLAINTS.
BUT, UM, WE DO WANT TO KNOW ABOUT IT.
UH, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY YOU ALL CAN REVOKE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS FOR VIOLATING LOCAL, STATE AND FEDERAL LAWS.
UM, SO THAT WOULD BE A VIOLATION OF A LOCAL LAW, AND THAT WOULD BE A SOUND REASON TO REVOKE IT.
AND THAT LANGUAGE IS SOMEPLACE IN THIS ORDINANCE.
WELL, NO, IT IS IN THE CONDITIONAL USE ORDINANCE UNDER THE, OR UNDER THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
I JUST WANNA FOLLOW UP WITH ENFORCEMENT.
WE ALWAYS SEE ALL THESE THINGS, BUT THEN IT NEVER COMES TO A CLOSURE OF HOW WE ENFORCE IT.
I MEAN, I CAN REVOKE SOME IF YOU WANT.
NO, NO, I'M JUST SAYING
SO, YEAH, BASICALLY WE'RE TRYING TO WORK THESE INTO THE SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS.
SO WE DON'T HAVE EIGHT CONDITIONS ON EVERY SINGLE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
THEY'LL JUST APPLY TO ALL OF THEM ACROSS THE BOARD.
AND SINCE THEIR ACTIVITIES, UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE CAN WORK THE, THE ONES THAT ARE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED WITHOUT A CONDITION, WE CAN HAVE THEM WORK THAT INTO THEIR PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLANS.
MOST PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PRETTY WILLING TO, TO DO THAT.
UM, OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE TO HAVE FIRE PITS, BUT
AND A LOT OF PEOPLE PROBABLY DON'T WANT GUESTS TO BE, YOU KNOW, BURNING, BURNING OUT OUTSIDE AT THEIR HOUSE.
UM, ESPECIALLY IN THE WOODED AREAS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE QUITE A FEW UP IN SHENANDOAH FARMS, SKYLAND ESTATES AND, AND BLUE MOUNTAIN THAT ARE VERY WOODED WHERE OUTDOOR BURNING, I BELIEVE IS RESTRICTED ANYWAY.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE WORKING IN THE PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES.
SO WE'RE GONNA GET INTO HOW OPTION A AND B ARE DIFFERENT.
SO YOU'LL SEE THAT, UH, IN SUBSECTION O WE HAVE CROSSED OUT 100 FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT FOR
UM, SO WHERE, WHERE IT IS NOW IN THE SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS, IT ALLOWS FOR THE REQUIREMENT TO BE WAIVED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAS LED TO CONFUSION AND DEBATE AMONGST YOU ALL.
AND ALSO WHEN DECIDING WHETHER IT SHOULD BE WAIVED AND ALSO, FRANKLY, SOME INCONSISTENCY, UM, THAT WE'VE HEARD THAT FROM APPLICANTS.
AND AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WE HAD A, A FELLOW GET UP HERE AND SAY THAT HE DOESN'T CARE IF THE SETBACK IS THERE OR NOT.
HE JUST WANTS TO SEE IT ENFORCED EVENLY, UH, TO EVERYONE NOT SEE DIFFERENT THINGS HAPPEN ONE MONTH VERSUS THE NEXT FOR SIMILAR APPLICATIONS.
AND SO OPTION A OF THE ORDINANCE MOVES THE 100 FOOT SETBACK TO THE LISTED USE FOR RESIDENTIAL ONE.
SO BASICALLY WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT
AND IF A HOUSE DOES NOT MEET THAT 100 FOOT SETBACK, WE WOULD ADMINISTRATIVELY SAY YOUR PROPERTY IS NOT ELIGIBLE FOR THIS USE.
SO THIS WOULD BE MORE RESTRICTIVE OF THE USE, HENCE THE STOP SIGN.
BUT IT SAYS FOR R ONE, THAT IS CORRECT.
SO THE LAST SLIDE ARE SOME STATISTICS, SO KEEP THAT IN THOUGHT.
BUT, UH, BASICALLY THE SHORT OF IT IS, UM, WE SEE THE SETBACK, UH, WELL, THE NEED TO WAIVE THE SETBACK IN THE RESIDENTIAL ONE.
WE'VE ONLY SEEN THAT ONCE IN THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT.
IT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST ONES WE HAD.
UM, SO BASICALLY IF, IF YOU ALL WENT WITH OPTION A, YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO WAIVE THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT.
AND THOSE PROPERTIES THAT DON'T MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT ARE SIMPLY NOT ELIGIBLE, BUT WE WOULD NEVER SEE THOSE.
SO IT WOULD BE MORE RESTRICTIVE AND IT WOULD KIND OF GUIDE THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL USE OUT OF THE HIGHER DENSITY SUBDIVISIONS WHERE THESE HOUSES DON'T MEET THAT SETBACK INTO, YOU KNOW, MORE OPEN AREAS, UH,
SO AS OF JULY 26TH, 2023, THE BOARD HAS BEEN PRESENTED WITH A REQUEST TO WAIVE THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT FOR 15 SEPARATE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATIONS FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
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YOU DON'T THINK THAT IT WAS MORE THAN THATBUT ANYWAY, SO THE BOARD HAS ONLY DENIED THREE OF THOSE APPLICATIONS.
UH, 14 OF THE 15 APPLICATIONS WITH THE SETBACK WAIVER WERE FOR PROPERTIES IN THE RESIDENTIAL ONE ZONING DISTRICT.
THE ONE APPLICATION FOR A PROPERTY IN AGRICULTURAL WAS APPROVED WITH THE WAIVER.
UM, SO PLANNING STAFF HAS OBSERVED THAT THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT IS LARGELY ONLY APPLICABLE IN THE R ONE ZONING.
DISTRICT PLANNING STAFF DOES RECOMMEND IF THE BOARD IS TO KEEP A 100 FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT FROM ALL NEIGHBORING DWELLINGS, THAT THE REQUIREMENT ONLY BE APPLIED TO THE R ONE DISTRICT AND THAT THE REQUIREMENT CANNOT BE WAIVED.
THIS WILL HELP, LIKE I SAID, THIS WILL HELP TO GUIDE THE SHORT TERM RENTAL USE AWAY FROM THE HIGHER DENSITY SUBDIVISIONS, UH, WHERE THE IMPACT OF PROXIMITY IS, IS MORE, MORE PREVALENT.
SO, CAN I, UM, MAKE A POINT ABOUT THAT? YES.
SO THE ONLY CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS THAT THE PLACES WHERE TRADITIONALLY HAVE BEEN, UM, SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL COMMUNITIES ALONG THE RIVER DO NOT HAVE 100 FOOT SETBACKS.
UH, BENNY'S BEACH FOR INSTANCE, UH, NANDO SHORES IS ANOTHER AREA.
SHEO FARMS, THESE AREAS HAVE TRADITIONALLY BEEN ATTRACTIONS FOR SECOND HOMES OR VACATION HOMES, AND THEY DON'T HAVE THAT HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK.
THEY WERE RES THEY WERE RECREATIONAL, THEY WERE RECREATIONAL BEGIN YEAH.
AND, AND YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
SO A LOT OF THOSE LOTS, ESPECIALLY ON UH, LIKE BE EAST BEACH OLD DAM AND ACROSS THE RIVER ON, UH, RIVERVIEW SHORES, AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A BUNCH IN SHENANDOAH RIVER ESTATES, BUT SAME TYPE OF SUBDIVISION, RIGHT? UM, YOU'RE RIGHT.
AND A LOT OF THEM DO NOT MEET THE SETBACK.
I HAVE HAD PLENTY OF PEOPLE CALL AND SAY, I'M INTERESTED IN THIS PROPERTY, I WANT TO DO AIRBNB, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO I NEED TO DO? AND I'LL LOOK AT IT AND BE LIKE, WELL, YOU DON'T MEET THAT SETBACK.
SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A PROPERTY TO DO THIS AND WANT AN IDEAL APPLICATION, KEEP LOOKING
AND THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME THAT ARE STILL IN DISREPAIR NOW.
THEY ARE NOW, THAT WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD IS DIFFERENT.
IT'S BEAUTIFUL BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE BUILDING AGAIN FOR THIS PURPOSE IN BENNY'S BEACH, AND THE HOMES HAVE BEEN REMODELED FOR THIS PURPOSE.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN ARGUMENT TO BE HAD ON BOTH SIDES.
SO THAT IS WHY WE HAVE OPTION B
SO LIKE I SAID, UH, WE WANTED TO PRESENT KIND OF A MORE STRICT ORDINANCE AND A LESS STRICT ORDINANCE MM-HMM.
UH, AND YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE HAD MANY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE PLANE DIRECTOR, MATT WENDLING, AND HE WOULD AGREE WITH YOU.
UH, OBVIOUSLY HE'S THE FLOODPLAIN MANAGER, SO HE HAS OPINIONS ABOUT THE FLOODPLAIN.
UM, BUT HE ABSOLUTELY AGREES WITH YOU IN THAT HE WOULD PREFER TO SEE THE SHORT TERM RENTALS ON LIKE RIVER LOTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
YEAH, DEFINITELY A GOOD POINT.
SO ON THE OPPOSITE END, WE HAVE OPTION B, WHICH, WELL, IT BASICALLY JUST GETS RID OF THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT
UM, SO IT IS IDENTICAL TO OPTION A, BUT INSTEAD OF ADDING LANGUAGE TO THE LISTED USE IN R ONE, THAT'S IT, JUST THE SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS ARE CHANGED, WHICH DOES INCLUDE THE REMOVAL OF THE 100 FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT FROM NEIGHBORING DWELLINGS.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE BY THE GREEN LIGHT, THIS DOES MAKE IT MORE OPEN, UH, MORE OPEN USE, UH, LESS RESTRICTIVE.
AND YES, IF YOU ALL CHOOSE OPTION B AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, UH, THEN THERE WOULD BE NO MINIMUM SEPARATION REQUIREMENT FROM NEIGHBORING DWELLINGS FOR SHORT-TERM TOR RENTALS IN ANY ZONING DISTRICT WHERE SHORT-TERM TORS RENTAL IS PERMITTED USE, WHICH AGAIN IS THE AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL ONE IN RURAL RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
SO YOU MOVE ON, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE MM-HMM.
SO THEREFORE THE, THE WAIVER REQUIREMENT IS GONE AND OPTION A, RIGHT? CORRECT.
YOU, IT WOULD MOVE THE REQUIREMENT FROM A PLACE WHERE IT CAN BE WAIVED TO A PLACE WHERE IT IS AN INITIAL REQUIREMENT FOR IT'S A REQUIREMENT.
AND THEN OPTION B IS JUST OPENING IT.
AND AGAIN, NO WAIVER WITH THAT.
MAKING IT JUST ANY, ANY, ANY PROPERTY, WHETHER IT HAS A HUNDRED FEET OR NOT ELIGIBLE.
SO SUPPORT FOR THIS OPTION IS EVIDENCED BY THE FACT THAT AS YOU'VE SEEN THE NUMBERS, YOU ALL HAVE GRANTED EIGHT, WELL, NOT JUST YOU YEAH.
THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OF WARREN COUNTY HAS GRANTED 80% OF THE REQUEST FOR WAIVERS TO THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE CONCERNED WHEN WE SEE 20% ENFORCEMENT WAIVERS.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF THIS WERE A BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS,
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IF I HAD SAY A VARIANCE APPLICATION EVERY MONTH FOR A YEAR, AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM WAS IN RESIDENTIAL ONE AND THEY WANTED A 10 FOOT VARIANCE TO THE 50 FOOT FRONT SETBACK, I WOULD COME TO YOU ALL WITH THE TEXT AMENDMENT TO MAKE THE SETBACK 40 FEET.IF THE P C A APPROVED THEM ALL, SORRY, I MISSED THAT PART.
ASSUMING THAT THE B Z A APPROVED THEM ALL, THEN CLEARLY THE SETBACK SHOULD BE 40 FEET.
SO, YOU KNOW, FROM A PURE ZONING STANDPOINT, I'M GONNA GIVE YOU THE GOOD ZONING PRACTICE,
SO IF YOU THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, ANY, ANY APPLICATION YOU GET THAT'S, SAY 50 FEET OR MORE, YOU'RE COOL WITH WAVING IT.
BUT IF IT'S LESS THAN 50 FEET, YOU'RE LIKE, WHOA,
SO, SO WHAT I'VE SEEN IS USUALLY WHEN SOMEBODY IS ARGUING AGAINST A, UH, SHORT-TERM RENTAL, UH, THEY ARE USING THE, THE, THE SETBACK AS A REASON, BUT IT'S BECAUSE THEY JUST DON'T WANT THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL PERIOD.
AND THAT'S, YEAH, A LOT OF TIMES THERE ARE A LOT OF CONCERNS.
WE'VE HEARD, OBVIOUSLY ALL OF US HAVE
UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD SOMEBODY GET UP HERE AND TELL, TELL THE PLANNING COMMISSION ABOUT HOW, UH, THERE WAS A PARTY AT AN AIRBNB IN NEW JERSEY AND 30 PEOPLE DIED.
BUT IS THAT GONNA HAPPEN HERE? WELL, MY THOUGHTS ON IT ARE THIS, I, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE I LIVE OUT IN THE COUNTRY WHERE I DON'T HAVE ANYBODY FOR A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT.
UM, MY GRANDMOTHER LIVED IN TOWN WHERE THE FENCE DIVIDED, AND I GUESS THERE WAS MAYBE 15 FEET FROM HER HOUSE TO THE FENCE, FROM THE FENCE TO THE NEXT HOUSE.
SO I'VE, I'VE EXPERIENCED BOTH.
THE THING IS, WHEN WE'RE, WHETHER THE GOVERNMENT WANTS TO CALL THIS A BUSINESS OR NOT, IT'S A BUSINESS.
IT'S, I'VE HEARD THEY CALLED A HOTEL BEFORE.
IT'S A BUSINESS AND WE'RE PUTTING BUSINESSES IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
AND WHEN YOU GET A BUSINESS, I THINK A HUNDRED FEET IS REASONABLE TO GIVE YOU THAT SENSE OF YOUR OWN SPACE AND YOUR OWN SECURITY.
SOMEBODY CAN RUN ACROSS A HUNDRED FEET AND CAUSE A PROBLEM IF THEY WANT TO, BUT WHEN IT'S CLOSER, YOU LOSE THAT SENSE OF NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY BY PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT.
AND THERE ARE PLACES, I MEAN, I GO, I USED TO GO TO MYRTLE BEACH WHERE THERE WAS ENOUGH ROOM TO PARK A CAR IN BETWEEN OUR PLACE AND THE NEXT PLACE.
AND THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE, THE PEOPLE WE RENTED FROM OWNED THE PLACE WE WENT TO, BUT THEY RENTED IT OUT WHENEVER THEY WEREN'T USING IT.
BUT THAT WHOLE DEVELOPMENT WAS LIKE THAT.
SO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT IF YOU WANNA LIVE THERE FULL TIME, YOU'RE MAKING A CHOICE.
WE'RE TAKING PEOPLE'S CHOICES AWAY BY PUTTING SOMETHING IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WASN'T, THEY DIDN'T PLAN ON IT WHEN THEY GOT THERE.
SO WE TAKE THAT A HUNDRED FOOT AWAY AND THEY DECIDE, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO SELL MY HOME.
THEY COULD HAVE DIFFICULTY SELLING IT BECAUSE NOBODY WANTS TO BUY A HOUSE NECESSARILY, AND THEY COULD DRIVE THEIR PAWS DOWN AND JUST CREATE A PROBLEM WITH SELLING THEIR HOME TO THE NEXT PERSON.
SO TO ME, A HUNDRED FEET IS REASONABLE AND I PERSONALLY WOULD NEVER VOTE TO LESSEN THAT.
SO I KIND, I LOOKED AT OPTION C.
ARE WE GONNA TALK ABOUT OPTION C? YES, WE WILL GET TO THAT IN A MINUTE.
SO I'M GONNA PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE AND SAY, IF YOU WANT TO OPERATE IT AS A BUSINESS AND AS A 12 MONTH RENTAL OR SIX MONTH RENTAL, OR A THREE MONTH RENTAL, YOU CAN DO THAT WITHOUT ANY RESTRICTIONS.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO KEEP YOUR HOUSE UP.
THERE ARE NO, THERE ARE NO INSPECTIONS ANYMORE FOR RENTALS AS THEY'RE ONGOING.
EVEN I DON'T THINK THAT, I'M AWARE THAT THERE ARE, BECAUSE IF THERE WERE, I DON'T THINK SOME OF THE RENTALS WOULD EXIST IN OUR COMMUNITY.
SO IT, THERE'S, I SEE SHORT, SHORT-TERM RENTALS AS IMPROVING OUR COMMUNITIES BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO KEEP THEM IN GOOD REPAIR IN ORDER TO RENT THEM.
WHEREAS IF IT'S LONG-TERM RENTALS THAT ISN'T OR DOESN'T SEEM TO BE THE CASE AND THIS, AND YOU'VE GOT VALID POINTS, I, I WILL AGREE WITH YOU, BUT I STILL CAN FORCE ANYTHING ON THOSE.
I, I SEE, I GUESS WE'VE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE RENTED HOMES.
WELL, I'LL BE 65 AND THEY'VE, THEY'VE BEEN PAST MY YOUTH, UH, AGE AND I GUESS IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE USED TO.
SO ANYTHING NEW IS, TAKES A LITTLE WHILE TO GET USED TO.
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LIKE I SAID, I COULD NEVER GO FOR LESS THAN A HUNDRED FEET.I MEAN, WE, I UNDERSTAND IN CERTAIN AREAS AND DOING THE, LIKE THE BENNY'S BEACH AREA, I, AND I DON'T HAVE A DIFFICULTY LOOKING AT AND CONSIDERING A WAIVER.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DEBATE IT UP HERE.
WE GET THESE PACKETS IN ENOUGH TIME TO DEBATE IT BEFORE WE GET UP HERE.
UM, BUT I, I JUST AS A WHOLE, I CAN'T AGREE WITH GOING LESS THAN A HUNDRED FEET.
AND TO, TO ADD ON TO WHAT, UH, MS. KOHLERS IS SAYING, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, TO, TO ME IT'S THE MINDSET AND THE, UH, SO IF, IF I'M GONNA RENT SOMEPLACE FOR SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR, I WOULD HAVE MORE TENDENCY TO TRY AND GET ALONG WITH NEIGHBORS BECAUSE I'VE GOTTA LIVE THERE.
BUT IF I'M GONNA BE THERE FOR A WEEK OR, YOU KNOW, FOUR DAYS OR FIVE DAYS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, EH, YOU KNOW, SO WHAT, UH, I'M A, I'M A PAIN IN THE BAZOOKA TO THOSE GUYS.
SO YEAH, THEY CAN, THEY CAN STUFF IT UP THEIR NOSE.
AND ALSO PLAYING DEVIL'S ADVOCATE FOR A LONG-TERM RENTAL, IT IS ALSO NOT WORTH NOTING THAT IF YOU HAVE A BAD RENTER, YOU'RE STUCK WITH THEM FOR OVER A MONTH.
WHEREAS THE SHORT-TERM RENTER, IF YOU GET A BAD ONE, THREE TO FIVE DAYS, USUALLY NO.
WELL, AND IF WE MAKE THIS EASIER TO SWOOP IN AND DO SHORT-TERM RENTALS, WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH HOUSING FOR PEOPLE THAT WANNA LIVE HERE, NOT JUST BRING IN, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S GOTTA BE A LITTLE BIT OF A BALANCE THERE TOO.
BECAUSE MY DAUGHTER HAS TO LIVE IN LOURAY BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T FIND ANY PLACE.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THAT THEY COULDN'T AFFORD IT, THEY JUST COULDN'T FIND ANY PLACE AROUND HERE.
I DON'T LIVE HERE WHEN WE'RE GETTING PEOPLE FROM THE WEST COAST WHO GOOGLE WEAR THE NICE WINERIES AND THINGS AND ARE BUYING HOUSES, THAT CONCERNS ME.
YOU KNOW, WE ARE, WE'RE HERE TO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE OF WARREN COUNTY.
AND I, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M GLAD THEY CAN AFFORD TO BUY IT.
BUT I, YOU KNOW, I, I JUST, I FEEL LIKE WE'VE GOT TO COME TO SOMETHING THAT, THAT PROTECTS THE PEOPLE AND, AND HEAR WELL WHY DON'T YOU CONTINUE ON WITH YOUR PRESENTATION.
SO I DID WANNA NOTE BEFORE MOVING ON FROM THIS SLIDE, THIS, UH, CODE REFERENCE YOU SEE HERE, 180 DASH 63 D THAT IS INCLUDED ON EVERY COVER SHEET YOU HAVE EVER GOTTEN FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
IN CASE YOU'RE WONDERING WHERE YOU'VE SEEN IT BEFORE.
AND BASICALLY THAT DOES INCLUDE, UH, BASICALLY A CONSIDERATION FOR BUFFERS AND SCREENING AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
SO WHEN WAIVING A SETBACK BEFORE I HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVE MEMORIES OF YOU ALL, UH, REQUIRING SCREENING, MAYBE IT WAS A
UM, SO THEY HAD PINE TREES PUT IN AND IT WAS ALL WELL AND GOOD.
THE OWNER WAS WILLING TO DO THAT.
UM, AND SO YOU CAN STILL DO THAT, EVEN IF THERE'S NOT A SETBACK REQUIREMENT THERE.
UM, YOU COULD STILL DENY THE PERMIT DUE TO PROXIMITY WITHOUT AN EXPLICIT SETBACK REQUIREMENT IF, YOU KNOW, THE IMPACT OF THE USE CANNOT BE ADDRESSED BY ADDING A CONDITION.
WELL, I THINK IT'S ONLY FAIR TO THE APPLICANT TO BE AWARE ANYTHING LESS THAN A HUNDRED FEET, YOU MAY NOT GET IT SO THAT THEY'RE NOT BLINDSIDED IF IT IS VOTED DOWN.
UM, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE YOU ALL EXPLAINED THAT TO THEM, BUT IF WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY SETBACKS AND THEN WE DIDN'T VOTE ON IT BECAUSE OF THAT SHORT SPAN, THEN THAT IS BLINDSIDED THEM.
AND THAT'S REALLY NOT FAIR EITHER.
YOU KNOW, I'M HAVEN'T SAT IN YOUR SEAT, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT FEELS LIKE.
YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, WE GOT KIND OF A, A MORE LENIENT USE OR MORE, LESS RESTRICTION ON THE USE FOR ONE AND MORE RESTRICTION ON THE USE FOR THE OTHER KIND OF EQUAL, BUT TECHNICALLY MORE.
'CAUSE YOU CAN'T WAIVE THE SETBACK.
YOU JUST CAN'T GET THE PERMIT IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT.
UM, SO WE DID TAKE THIS THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND ON WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 13TH, 2023, THEY DENIED IT.
SO THEY DID NOT PICK OPTION A OR B OH, I WAS GONNA ASK.
THEY SIMPLY MOVED IT FORWARD TO YOU ALL WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL.
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SO, UM, I THINK THAT THEY WERE, WELL, THEY KNOW THAT YOU ALL REQUESTED THAT WE, UH, REVIEW IT, DO THIS TEXT AMENDMENT.AND, YOU KNOW, IN HONORING YOUR REQUEST, I THINK THAT INSTEAD OF HAVING US REWRITE IT OR YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THAT, THAT THEY, THEY'LL MOVE IT FORWARD TO ALLOW YOU TO VOTE ON IT.
SO THEY'RE DENYING WHAT ARE THEY DENYING THE DENY NEW LANGUAGE THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN HERE? EXACTLY, YES.
WITH ALL THE NEW REQUIREMENTS ABOUT NO A T V AND FIRE BURNING AND ALL.
WELL, THEY, THEY ADDED THAT
SO THEY'VE JUST BEEN DOING, SO READ NUMBER TWO, MAAM.
NUMBER TWO, THEIR INITIAL SUGGESTION WAS TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND WRITE AN OPTION THAT ALLOWED FOR THE SETBACK TO CONTINUE TO BE WAIVED.
SO KEEP ALL OF THE CHANGES TO THE SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS AND KEEP THE SETBACK THERE.
UM, WHAT I HAVE, AND NOW I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
BECAUSE LIKE YOU, YOU SAID EARLIER, APPLICANTS COME BACK AND THEY SAY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO STANDARDIZATION.
SO WHAT WOULD BE A CRITERIA THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD RECOMMEND TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO, TO HAVE A WAIVER VERSUS NOT A WAIVER? YEAH.
AND THAT'S WHERE, UH, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE USEFUL TO HAVE SOMETHING IN THE CODE FOR THAT.
UM, MAYBE BUILD SOMETHING OUT FOR LIKE, SAY CRITERIA FOR WAIVING IT.
UM, 'CAUSE WITHOUT SOMETHING IN THE CODE, WE SEE, YOU KNOW, UH, MAYBE A PLANNING COMMISSIONER ASKS, WELL, WHAT DOES THE NEIGHBOR THINK? WELL, THAT'S ALL WELL AND GOOD IF THEY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM.
BUT WHAT IF THEY SELL THE PROPERTY TOMORROW? YOU KNOW, TRUE THAT THE PRO NEIGHBOR BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, MAYBE NOT KNOWING, BUT MAYBE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT THERE'S A SHORT TERM RENTAL NEXT DOOR.
BUT WHEN YOU'RE CONSIDERING THIS, YOU'RE KIND OF SUPPOSED TO CUT OUT PEOPLE.
WHETHER OR NOT THIS USE IS SUITABLE FOR THIS PROPERTY, AND THAT'S FOR THE LIFE OF THE PROPERTY, SO YOU GOTTA CONSIDER MOVING FORWARD.
AND SO PERSONALLY, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A GREAT CRITERIA FOR WAY EIGHT.
I I DON'T DOES THE CURRENT OWNER WELL SEE, SO THAT'S THE POINT, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
GETS INTO THAT THE, IT'S NOT A STRONG ORDINANCE.
YOU KNOW, SO, AND I RESPECT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, SAYING LEAVE IT AS IS AND, AND CONTINUE WITH THE WAIVER, BUT THEN HOW DO YOU KEEP THE CONSISTENCY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE GOING TO MS. OATS POINT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE TOURISM, UM, UH, ENVIRONMENT COMING IN HERE AND YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THESE HOMES THAT WERE BUILT 50, 50 FEET APART.
SO HOW CAN YOU TAKE THAT RIGHT AWAY FROM THOSE OWNERS? AND I UNDERSTAND WHERE MS. KOHLERS IS COMING FROM, YOU KNOW, WITH RESPECTING THE NEIGHBORS AND, YOU KNOW, SO WHERE IS THAT HAPPY MEETING? THERE'S A HAPPY BALANCE SOMEWHERE WHERE, WHERE IS, SO WHERE'S THAT CRITERIA? YOU KNOW? AND OBVIOUSLY THERE'S NOTHING IN THE CODE WE HAVE, THERE'S NOTHING THERE.
THIS GENERAL OVERARCHING CODE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS THAT SAY THE BOARD CAN WAIVE SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS MM-HMM.
WELL, IT BASICALLY SAYS THERE SHALL BE 100 FEET OF SEPARATION BETWEEN NEIGHBOR AND DWELLINGS.
AND THE SHORT TERM RENTAL, UM, IT, IT KIND OF BOTHERS ME TO AN EXTENT THAT THESE ARE PERPETUAL BECAUSE MAYBE THE FIRST OWNER IS GREAT AND THE SECOND PERSON THAT GETS IT IS HORRIBLE.
THAT WAS, I WAS GONNA SAY
IT'S, IT'S A THOUGHT THAT I'VE HAD THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES IT'S NOT THE BEST THING FOR THINGS TO BE PERPETUAL.
AND THAT, THAT COMES DOWN TO WHAT A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS.
IT IS ISSUED FOR THE PROPERTY, IT RUNS WITH THE LIFE OF THE PROPERTY.
LEGALLY IT HAS TO BE TRANSFERABLE TO THE NEW PROPERTY OWNER.
BUT IF THE NEW PROPERTY OWNER HAS ISSUES, MAYBE THEY'RE VIOLATING LOCAL, STATE OR FEDERAL LAWS, THEN WE COULD BRING IT FORWARD TO YOU FOR ERADICATION.
DALEY WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING.
I'M, I'M THINKING ABOUT YOUR QUESTION OF THE CRITERIA SO THAT IT'S NOT ARBITRARY AND CAPRICIOUS.
UH, IF YOU HAD SOMETHING OF, DOES THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS PLURAL AGREE WITH THIS, OR DO THEY OBJECT? AND, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE HAD PEOPLE WHO COME IN THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS DO NOT OBJECT.
UH, NUMBER TWO, HAS THE PROPERTY OWNER BEEN THE OWNER FOR A MINIMUM OF THREE YEARS THAT THEY ACTUALLY LIVE HERE, BUT NOW THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING AND HAVE PEOPLE AT THEIR PROPERTY WHEN THEY GO TO MYRTLE BEACH OR SOMETHING, OR WHATEVER, AS OPPOSED TO SOMEBODY WHO IS SIMPLY MAKING AN INVESTMENT FROM OUTSIDE BECAUSE YOU KNOW, IF THEY'VE BEEN
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HERE THREE YEARS, THEY HAVE A STAKE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.AND NUMBER THREE, IS THERE ANY SCREENING? AND PERHAPS THERE ARE IDEAS LIKE THIS THAT COULD BE CREATED TO BE THE CRITERIA FOR DETERMINING WHETHER OR NOT THE BOARD WAIVES THE, UH, A HUNDRED FOOT REQUIREMENT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF YOUR ABSOLUTELY IDEA THERE THAT YOU WANTED TO KNOW WHAT, HOW TO KEEP IT FROM BEING ARBITRARY.
ONE PERSON IS WAIVED AND ONE PERSON IS NOT.
HOW ABOUT A DIFFERENT CHECKLIST? THAT'S WHAT A CHECKLIST, WHAT YOU'RE BASICALLY ASKING SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND YOU COULD PUT SOME MORE, THESE ARE THE FIRST THREE THINGS THAT CAME TO MIND TO ME.
SO IF YOU GUYS WANT, I CAN FINISH THIS.
UH, WELL, YOU'RE, YOU'RE DEPENDING IT ON A, ON A, ON THE PEOPLE AND, AND THAT'S NOT GOOD ZONING PRACTICE HAS TO, I LIKE THE SCREENING ONE.
THE SCREENING IS GOOD, BUT THE OBJECTIONS ARE NON OBJECTIONS, UH, SHOULD NOT BE A CRITERIA FOR MAKING THE DECISION.
IT SHOULD BE, IS THIS PROPERTY A GOOD USE FOR THIS? OR SHOULD, CAN YOU GET A GOOD USE FOR THIS PROPERTY IN THIS WAY SO THAT YOU REMOVE THE EMOTIONAL CONTENT TO CONTEXT? THAT'S WHY IT BECOMES ARBITRARY AND CAPRICIOUS IS BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THE EMOTIONAL THING GOING ON WITH IT.
SO IT NEEDS TO BE, IF YOU'RE GONNA STANDARDIZE IT, THEN THERE NEEDS TO BE EITHER OR, EITHER OR.
SO THE SEPARATION SEEMS TO MOSTLY BE FOR NOISE.
YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S VISUAL, YOU CAN'T SEE THINGS AS CLEARLY A HUNDRED FEET AWAY, BUT MOSTLY FOR NOISE.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I'M GONNA THINK ABOUT WHEN I BUILD OUT CRITERIA.
UH, IF YOU ALL CHOOSE TO CAN THESE
UM, BUT, UH, YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD THINK ABOUT THINGS LIKE SCREENING, UM, MAYBE ELEVATION CHANGE.
IS THERE A RIGHT OF WAY IN BETWEEN THE HOUSES? WE HAD ONE WHERE A GUY HAD A 60 FOOT SETBACK AND THE HOUSE WAS ACROSS THE STREET.
I MEAN, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE CARS DRIVING BY ALL DAY,
RIGHT? YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THAT NOISE.
THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE A HOUSE THAT DOESN'T MEET THE FRONT SETBACK.
NOW CAN YOU, WHEN ARE YOU GONNA START TALKING ABOUT OPTION C? BECAUSE IT, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS KIND OF WHAT THEY'RE SAYING AS WELL.
SO GETTING INTO, YOU DON'T HAVE OPTION C UP ON THERE THOUGH, DO YOU? NO, IT'S, YES.
BUT PLEASE EXPLAIN WHAT OPTION C I JUST REALIZED YOU GUYS GOT MY LIKE STAFF NOTES ON THE SLIDE.
JUST EXPLAIN OPTION C THOUGH TO YES.
SO OPTION C C NOT PRE HOW IN THE PROCESS, RIGHT? SORRY.
SO OPTION C WAS NOT CREATED BY PLAN PLANNING STAFF OR BY STAFF AT ALL, RIGHT? UH, IT WAS A PUBLIC COMMENT RECEIVED FOR THIS TEXT AMENDMENT.
SO IT HAS NOT BEEN REVIEWED BY LEGAL STAFF.
UH, AND YOU KNOW, THERE MAY VERY WELL MAY BE SOME THINGS IN THERE ABOUT ENFORCING H O A P O A COVENANTS THAT ARE NOT LEGALLY LEGAL.
YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T ADD TO OUR ORDINANCE.
UM, SO BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD WANNA SEE AN APPLICATION AND AN APPLICATION FEE BEFORE WE MOVE THAT FORWARD AS A SEPARATE ORDINANCE IF THAT'S WHAT YOU ALL WANT.
SAY THAT, UH, NO OFFENSE, I'M SORRY, BUT SAY THAT PART AGAIN.
WHY? W IF, IF YOU'VE GOT A COMMUNITY OR SEVERAL COMMUNITIES THAT ARE BASICALLY GIVING YOU SOME IDEAS, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE BECAUSE I RECEIVED THEM JUST LIKE A LOT OF THE, THE SUPERVISORS DID TODAY.
WHY SHOULD THERE BE A FEE? OH YEAH.
SO THEY WERE, IT WAS PROVIDED AS A PUBLIC COMMENT TO THE PLAINTIFF.
WELL, I UNDERSTAND, BUT THEIR PUBLIC COMMENT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER WHEN WE'RE SITTING AROUND LISTENING TO IT.
BUT THE, THE OPTION C HAS NOT BEEN ADVERTISED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
IT IS NOT ELIGIBLE FOR YOU ALL TO APPROVE UNTIL IT HAS BEEN ADVERTISED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING GONE THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND THEN YOU OBVIOUSLY YOU AUTHORIZED, WELL, COULD, COULD YOU, BUT THIS IS A WORK SESSION.
CAN YOU TELL THEM EXACTLY WHAT OPTION C IS SO THE PUBLIC KNOWS? YES, YES.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF GOING OVER THE PUBLIC HEARING IN, IN TOTAL, WE DID HAVE SEVERAL SPEAKERS.
WE HAD REPRESENTATIVES FROM OASS, POAS, SOME NEIGHBORS WHO WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROSPECT OF REMOVING THE 100 FOOT SETBACK AND A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL OPERATOR CALLING FOR CONSISTENT DECISION MAKING.
UM, SO OPTION C, SEVERAL HOAS AND POAS WORK TOGETHER TO SUBMIT ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS FOR AMENDING THE SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATION.
I DID ADD A NOTE THAT THIS IS A PUBLIC COMMENT.
IT HAS NOT BEEN ADVERTISED AS A PROPOSED DRAFT ORDINANCE.
SO BASICALLY WHAT THIS OPTION IS, IT IS ESSENTIALLY OPTION
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A WITH SOME ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE BUILT IN REL UH, RELEVANT TO HOAS POAS COVENANTS AND THEIR ENFORCEMENTS.AND FOR MY NOTE THAT YOU GUYS GOT A PREVIEW OF, UM, THERE IS, UH, A PART OF THIS OPTION C, WHICH CALLS FOR AN ANNUAL, WELL, WE HAVE AN ANNUAL FEE, A RENEWAL FEE, BUT YES, SO WE HAVE, UH, IT'S ASKING FOR RENEWAL FEE AND FOR US TO CHECK WITH THE HOAS AND POAS ON AN ANNUAL BASIS FOR COMPLAINTS THAT WILL NOT BE EFFECTIVE.
I WILL TELL YOU NOW, IF WE GET A COMPLAINT ABOUT SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTALS, WE WANT IT IMMEDIATELY, RIGHT.
SO THAT WE CAN ADDRESS IT IMMEDIATELY.
IF I GET A COMPLAINT IN DECEMBER SAYING, WELL, IN MARCH WE HAD THIS ONE GUY RUNNING NAKED DOWN THE ROAD, I CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.
AT THAT POINT IT'S GONNA BECOME A HE SAID, SHE SAID SITUATION.
AND ALL I CAN REALLY DO IS MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN.
IF IT DID HAPPEN, WELL, YEAH, BUT, YOU KNOW, BUT FROM, SO GOING BACK TO WHAT EXACTLY IS OPTION C, I CAN TELL YOU.
SO OPTION C IS A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK.
OPTION C IS, IS H O A P O A RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS THAT IF THEY SAY THEY DON'T ALLOW SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTALS IN THEIR COVENANTS, IT YOU DENY IT IMMEDIATELY? IT DOES.
IT'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE DENIAL.
SO THAT'S THE SECOND PIECE OF IT.
AND THEN THE THIRD IS AN ANNUAL REVIEW OF THE, OF THE SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL BY THE H O A AND P O A AND IT HAS A RENEWAL FEE.
SO THOSE ARE THE THREE DIFFERENCES.
AND, AND THE FEE IS TO PAY FOR THE COUNTY PEOPLE TO REVIEW THE, TO REVIEW IT, YES.
ANY COMPLAINTS? SO MY, MY UNDERSTANDING FROM LEGAL COUNSEL NOT HERE TONIGHT, IS THAT WE ARE NOT PERMITTED TO ENFORCE THE CONFIDENCE H O A P O A CONFIDE.
WE, WE ARE NOT IN, IN THAT BUSINESS.
SO, SO THEN LEGALLY WE CANNOT DO THAT.
THAT'S THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT.
AND I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR THE ATTORNEY, BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY HAD TOLD ME.
WELL, IT, IT WOULD, IT, THAT WOULD ONLY MAKE SENSE BECAUSE WE WOULD BE ENFORCING, UH, SOMETHING THAT A PRIVATE ENTITY WOULD.
AND THERE WE HAVE NO LEGAL AUTHORITY TO, WELL, AND THERE'S NO CONSISTENCY, UM, ACROSS THE H O A POAS IN THE COUNTY.
AND I CAN TELL YOU THIS FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, THAT IF SOMEONE VIOLATES THE COVENANTS, YOU, THE ONLY RECOURSE YOU HAVE IS TO EITHER SUE YOUR NEIGHBOR OR GET YOUR H O A TO, TO YOU KNOW, WARN YOUR NEIGHBOR OR TRY TO DO SOMETHING.
BUT THERE'S NO LEGS OR TEETH UNLESS THE NEIGHBORHOOD SUES THE NEIGHBOR.
AND THAT'S REALLY THE, AND THEY'RE REGISTERED WITH THE CIRCUIT COURT, UM, AS IN TERMS OF COVENANTS, BUT THERE'S NO ENFORCEMENT BY THE BODY, BY THE GOVERNING BODY.
AND ALSO, UH, FOR, JUST TO HIT ON THE, THE RENEWAL FEE, UH, THAT OPTION C PROPOSES, UM, AS YOU KNOW, WE DID JUST INCREASE THE APPLICATION FEE FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS, INCLUDING YEP.
AN ADDITIONAL FEE FOR SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTALS BECAUSE OF THE STAFF TIME INVOLVED IN THE REVIEW OF FEES.
UM, SO WE WOULD NOT BE LOOKING TO ASK FOR A RENEWAL FEE.
AND I JUST WANTED TO KNOW THAT PLAN WANTED YOU ALL TO KNOW THAT PLANNING STAFF, UM, WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT AN ANNUAL ANNUAL REVIEW AND WHETHER OR NOT THAT WOULD BE EFFECTIVE.
IN FACT, I THINK IT WOULD NOT BE EFFECTIVE.
SO THE NEXT YOU HAVE THESE NUMBERS.
SO THIS WAS THE FUN BIT FOR ME,
I GOT TO PULL SOME NUMBERS AND DO SOME STATISTICS FOR YOU.
AND SO BASICALLY THIS IS A BREAKDOWN OF NUMBERS OF APPLICATIONS BY ZONING DISTRICT.
AND THESE APPLICATIONS ARE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTALS.
SO YOU'LL SEE UH, FOR THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT, RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, RURAL RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN COLUMNS.
AND THEN THERE'S A TOTAL COLUMN.
YOU'LL SEE THAT WE HAVE ONE IN RURAL RESIDENTIAL, I THINK IT WAS DONE WHEN WE ADDED THIS RURAL RESIDENTIAL, NOT A WHOLE LOT OF RURAL RESIDENTIAL IN THE COUNTY.
AND UP UNTIL ABOUT A YEAR AGO-ISH, IT WAS LARGELY A USE WE ACTUALLY SAW IN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT.
SO ONLY RECENTLY HAS R ONE KIND OF OVERTAKEN AGRICULTURAL FOR THIS USE.
UM, SO I HAD TO WORK OUT SOME OF THE NUMBERS SO THEY ALL MADE SENSE.
THAT'S WHY I INCLUDED STUFF LIKE TOTAL WITHDRAWN AND INACTIVE AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
SO THE NUMBERS ALL MAKE SENSE TO YOU.
UM, BUT YEAH, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A PRETTY HIGH APPROVAL RATE.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST STATISTICS I WANTED YOU ALL TO HAVE, UM, FOR OUR DISCUSSION.
I SUPPOSE THE SETBACK WAIVER, UH, NUMBERS ARE RELEVANT.
UH, YOU CAN SEE WHERE I GOT THAT 80% AND UM, YOU KNOW, IT ALSO GOES OVER WHAT WE HAVE IN THE PIPELINE AS WELL AND FOR
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OUR REQUESTING SETBACK WAIVERS.SO CURRENTLY WE HAVE 136 APPROVED AND ACTIVE.
DOES THAT INCLUDE THE GRANDFATHERED ONES IN OR NO? NO, I DIDN'T THINK SO.
WHAT ARE, HOW MANY GRANDFATHERED TWO DOES IT? SO THAT'S THE SECOND TO LAST NUMBER THERE.
SO WE HAVE 136 AND 23, WHICH IS GONNA BE 1 59 ACTIVE, THAT WE'RE AWARE OF SHORT TERM RENTALS IN THE COUNTY.
'CAUSE WE DON'T COUNT THE TOWNS EITHER, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT, YES.
THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE THE, THE TOWNS.
'CAUSE THE TOWN HAS, THE TOWN HAS THEIR OWN AND THAT'S A WHAT WE'RE AWARE OF.
THERE IS ALSO, OBVIOUSLY AT ANY GIVEN TIME THERE ARE GONNA BE SOME THAT ARE OPERATING IN VIOLATION WITHOUT A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
AND WE DO MONITOR THE WEBSITES AND UH, UM, YOU KNOW, GET THEM TO STOP AS SOON AS WE CAN GET 'EM TO APPLY.
OBVIOUSLY YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN THE INCREASE IN THE NUMBERS OF, UH, APPLICATIONS WE'VE GOTTEN OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS OR SO.
UM, SO YEAH, OUR ENFORCEMENT ON THAT HAS CRACKED DOWN QUITE A BIT.
DO WE KNOW HOW MANY DWELLINGS THERE ARE WITH WITHIN THE COUNTY? YOU KNOW, EXCLUDING THE, THE, THE TOWN BECAUSE SAY LIKE IF THERE WERE 2000 DWELLINGS AND WE HAD A 159, THEN THAT'D BE RUNNING WHAT? RIGHT? AT ABOUT SEVEN OR 8%? IT'S NOT, IT'S, IT'S MORE THAN NOT, IT'S PROBABLY LESS THAN 1%.
OR IT IS, ITS IT'S LESS THAN 1%.
I WOULD RECOMMEND YOU SPEAK WITH JOE PETTY ABOUT THAT HE ACTUALLY HAS THE NUMBERS ON TOTAL NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS AND ALL THAT STUFF.
YEAH, I THINK HE DID FIND THAT IT'S LESS THAN 1%.
IT SEEMS LIKE MORE BECAUSE WE'RE DOING THEM JUST DOING IN LARGE BATCHES.
SO DO WE HAVE THE NUMBERS OF THE RENTALS THAT ARE 50%, UM, 50 FEET VERSUS 10 FEET, A HUNDRED FEET? DO I DO NOT HAVE THAT BREAKDOWN? DO YOU DON'T, DON'T HAVE THOSE, THAT BREAKDOWN? I COULD, GIVEN THAT IT'S 15, I COULD PROBABLY PULL ALL THOSE FOLDERS AND SEE WHAT KIND OF, WHAT THOSE NUMBERS WERE.
I, YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT WAS THE AVERAGE SETBACK THAT WE GAVE WAIVERS TO.
YEAH, I COULD THINK OF ONE THAT WAS 30 FEET.
THAT'S THE SMALLEST I THINK I'VE SEEN.
AND I, I THINK WE'VE HAD ONE THAT WAS LIKE 97
THAT WASN'T THE GUY THAT OWNED BOTH HOUSES.
SO HE DIDN'T OWN BOTH HOUSES, BUT THE NEIGHBOR WAS THE PROPERTY MANAGER.
AND THAT WAS, YEAH, THAT WAS DOWN MIDDLE.
AND THERE WAS ALSO ONE THAT THE HOUSE WAS BEHIND THE HOUSE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE AND SO IT WASN'T UPHILL.
IT WASN'T WITHIN EVEN THE LINE OF SIGHT.
AND AGAIN, THAT GUY THAT HAD THE ROAD IN BETWEEN THE HOUSES, I REMEMBER THAT.
I DO REMEMBER, UH, 24 FOOT ONE GETTING DENIED.
SO YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THESE NUMBERS.
UM, HALF OF IT WAS MY OWN CURIOSITY AND ALSO, I MEAN, I WANTED TO KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE HAD, I THINK THE DATA POINTS ARE RELEVANT BECAUSE WE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A LOT, BUT IT IN IT'S REALLY NORMAL.
NO, IN THE RELATIVE SENSE IT'S NOT AS BIG A DEAL.
WHAT IS, WHAT I'D LIKE TO KNOW, AND MAYBE IF I KNOW YOU'RE, YOU'RE BUSY AND I CAN PROBABLY DO THAT RESEARCH, BUT PAGE COUNTY, UM, IS LIKE SHORT TERM RENTAL HEAVEN,
IT IS TRUE, THEY WERE FAR, UM, AHEAD OF US IN TERMS OF THAT BECAUSE THEY NEEDED TO BOLSTER THEIR COMMUNITY TOURISM.
PEOPLE WHO COME AND STAY IN YOUR COMMUNITY ALSO EAT AT YOUR RESTAURANTS AND SPEND THEIR MONEY AT YOUR STORES AND SHOP ON YOUR MAIN STREET.
AND SO THEY, THEY WERE LOOKING, THEY HAVE A LARGE NUMBER AND I'D BE CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT THEIR REGULATIONS ARE COMPARED TO WHAT WARREN IS CONSIDERING.
AND SO I'VE BEEN TO, I'VE BEEN WITH THE COUNTY A LITTLE OVER TWO YEARS.
I'VE BEEN TO TWO VIRGINIA ASSOCIATION OF ZONING OFFICIALS CONFERENCES.
AND SO BOTH YEARS THEY ASKED HOW MANY JURISDICTIONS HAD A SHORT TERM FOREST RENTAL ORDINANCE, BECAUSE YOU ALL MAY NOT KNOW THIS AND I THINK IT FAILED, BUT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY DID DISCUSS, UH, I GUESS A BILL, UM, THAT SAID IF YOU, THE LOCALITY DOES NOT HAVE AN ORDINANCE, IT'S BY RIGHT.
SO THAT'S GREAT ON, ON YOU ALL
AND ALSO I GUESS ON ALL OF US, UM, THAT WE GOT AN ORDINANCE IN PLACE AND WE HAVE IT BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
AND THE FIRST YEAR, LESS THAN HALF OF THE HANDS WENT UP FOR THESE JURISDICTIONS.
SO YEAH, THIS IS DEFINITELY COMING, COMING ALONG.
UH, IT'S DEVELOPING AS A USE AND I'M SURE THERE ARE SEVERAL ORDINANCES THAT WERE JUST DONE WITHIN THE PAST YEAR THAT I COULD TAKE A LOOK AT.
WELL, TOURISM IS THE SECOND LARGEST INDUSTRY IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA BEHIND AGRICULTURE.
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UM, IT IS, WE ARE A DESTINATION.SO, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY I WANTED TO BREAK THIS DOWN FOR YOU, BUT I AM ALSO LOOKING FOR SOME GUIDANCE
SO OBVIOUSLY THE PLANNING COMMISSION DENIED THIS, UH, THE NEXT STEP FOR THIS ORDINANCE IF YOU GUYS WANT TO MOVE THIS FORWARD.
BUT WE AUTHORIZED ADVERTISEMENT, UH, WE WOULDN'T BE SEEING THE PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL NEXT MONTH ANYWAY, SO YOU WOULDN'T SEE THIS PROBABLY UNTIL YOUR FIRST TUESDAY MEETING NEXT MONTH.
SO, SO, SO IT'S THE, OH, SO, SO IF, IF WE WENT WITH THAT OPTION B, WHICH I, I THINK, UH, OPTION B SAYS THAT, UH, THAT THERE'S NO SETBACK OR REQUIREMENT FOR THE, UH, WHAT IS IT, AGRICULTURAL, BUT, BUT FOR THE R ONE, OPTION B SAYS NO SETBACK IN ANY ZONING DISTRICT.
WOULD THAT, WOULD THAT INCLUDE WHERE WOULD THE, THE FOLKS DOWN ON IN, IN SHENANDOAH SHORES, WHERE WOULD THEY FALL? YES.
SHENANDOAH SHORES IS RESIDENTIAL ONE, SHENANDOAH RIVER ESTATES.
ALL OF THE SUBDIVISIONS THAT MS. OSS AND I WERE DISCUSSING WERE ALL RESIDENTIAL ONE, AND THEY WOULD BE AFFECTED BY THAT RESTRICTION.
SO THE ONLY THING REALLY THAT'S PRESSING IS THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT.
YEAH, I MEAN I THINK THE PLANNING COMMISSION ALL AGREE WITH THE, UH, OTHER CHANGES TO THE SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS.
IT'S KIND OF JUST TO MAKE THINGS CLEARER.
UM, IF I HAD MORE TIME, I WOULD PROBABLY BRING YOU ALL ORDINANCES, YOU KNOW, MINUS THE SETBACK, DISAPPEARING LIKE THAT ALL THE TIME JUST TO CLEAN STUFF UP, MAKE IT MORE UNDERSTANDABLE.
I'M LIKE THAT, I LIKE TO IMPROVE STUFF.
WELL, YEAH, WELL NOT ONLY THAT, I MEAN, THERE'S SOME THINGS IN THE ORDINANCE THAT ARE BEING IMPOSED ON, ON THE C U P.
NO, THERE'S THINGS THAT BEING IMPOSED ON THE C U P THAT IS NOT EVEN ON THE ORDINANCE.
IN THE ORDINANCE AND THAT'S WHAT THE, UH, A T V AND THE FIRE, YOU KNOW.
SO TO ME, IF WE'RE ALREADY IMPOSING THOSE REGULATIONS, IT SHOULD BE IN THE ORDINANCE.
AND YOU KNOW, THAT ALSO COMES DOWN TO THE TIMING OF THIS TEXT AMENDMENT, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR AN IMMEDIATE, AND I THINK AT THE TIME THEY WERE LIKE, CAN WE, CAN WE ADD A CONDITION RESTRICTING THIS? AND THEY'RE LIKE, YES.
AND THEN THEY WERE LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT, CAN YOU JUST MAKE IT A PRACTICE TO ADD THAT TO ALL OF THEM? AND SO WE DID.
AND YOU KNOW, UM, LARGELY YOU ALL HAVE AGREED WITH, WITH THOSE, UH, CONDITIONS.
SO, UM, YEAH, I WOULD AGREE THAT THEY SHOULD BE IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS.
WE'LL PROBABLY BE LOOKING AT FOUR OR FIVE CONDITIONS THAT I'D HAVE TO READ TO YOU INSTEAD.
THAT WE'RE, WE'RE ALREADY IMPOSING THAT.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE NUMBERS OF THE, THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE GIVE GRANTED WAIVERS TOO.
UM, SO OTHER THAN MY REQUEST, DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD OR, BECAUSE EVENTUALLY WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO VOTE ON THIS.
YEAH, I MEAN, I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT TO VOTE ON? RIGHT.
YOU WANT ME TO BUILD OUT A DIFFERENT OPTION OR MAYBE SCRATCH BOTH OF THESE AND JUST DO ONE OPTION OR ONE ORDINANCE WHERE I KEEP THE 100 FOOT SETBACK IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL RAY REGULATIONS, SORRY.
UM, I THINK THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD PROBABLY LIKE THAT BETTER.
IT SEEMS LIKE THEY, WHAT THEY WERE ASKING FOR AND COULD YOU LOOK AT OPTION C TO SEE IF ANY OF IT FITS? YEAH.
BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA TAKE IT BACK THROUGH THE PROCESS ANYWAY.
OR COULD TAKE IT BACK THROUGH THE PROCESS.
IF I AM BUILDING OUT A NEW ORDINANCE, THEN I WOULD TAKE IT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND MAYBE, MAYBE IT'S NOT WHAT THEY SAW.
MAYBE YOU COULD PUT SOMETHING IN THERE THAT, TO THE EFFECT THAT, UH, THAT THE, THAT THE 100 FOOT SETBACK WOULD, UH, WOULD BE APPLICABLE IF ANY OF THE NEIGHBORS, UH, YOU KNOW, HAD A COMMENT THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT IT.
'CAUSE THAT'S TYPICALLY, TYPICALLY IF, IF WE SEE THAT, UH, THAT THERE IS A, UH, SAY LIKE THEY'RE ONLY 50 FEET FROM THE, FROM THE NEIGHBOR, BUT NOBODY'S HERE TO, TO SAY ANYTHING, WE TYPICALLY SAY, WELL THAT'S FINE.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FAIR.
WITH ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS WHO WANT TO DO THIS.
I MEAN, IT JUST, BECAUSE I MEAN, GOING TO SHORES AND ALL THE SUBDIVISIONS THAT MS. OS, UM, SPOKE OF, WHY SHOULD THEY BE PENALIZED WHEN THOSE HOMES WERE BUILT? FOR HOW MANY, WHAT YEARS? 50 YEARS? I DON'T KNOW.
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WHY SHOULD THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS BE PENALIZED? BECAUSE OF, OF WHERE THEY LIVED, OR THERE WAS NO ZONING OR ANY REQUIREMENTS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, MAYBE GRANDFATHER CERTAIN SUBDIVISIONS.BUT THAT'S WHERE I'M, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING FOR THE CRITERIA FOR THE WAIVER.
YOU KNOW WHAT, HOW WOULD, HOW WOULD I MAKE THAT DECISION? I, I THINK SOME OF THE AREAS THAT STARTED OUT LIKE BENNY'S BEACH AND UM, DOWN IN THE, THE BLUE MOUNTAIN, THEY DID START OUT WITH WEEKEND GETAWAYS AND THINGS, BUT THAT'S CHANGED.
THEY'RE THEY'RE RESIDENTIAL NOW.
UM, SO THE CONCEPT HAS ADAPTED TO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
SO WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO PUT LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT, UH, THAT YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WOULD KEEP THE, THE A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK AND THAT IT WOULD BE AUTOMATICALLY WAIVED UNLESS, UH, THERE IS, UH, THERE IS, YOU KNOW, INPUT FROM NEIGHBORS AND THEN IT WILL, IT WILL BE UNFAVOR UNFAVORABLY VIEWED.
WHAT, WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK ABOUT THAT? SO IT CAN'T AUTOMATICALLY, THAT'S MORE THAT, I DON'T KNOW.
YOU CAN'T AUTOMATICALLY WAIVE IT.
IT IS A, A REGULATION, RIGHT? THE WAY WE, THAT IS, WE ADD A CONDITION WHICH SAYS A WAIVER SHALL BE GRANTED FOR THE 61 FOOT SETBACK BETWEEN THIS DWELLING AND THE DWELLING WEST.
WELL, I MEAN, SO SOMETHING ALONG THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR ALONG THE, THAT THERE'S A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK AND THAT, UH, UH, THAT IT WILL BE UNFAVORABLY VIEWED IF THERE IS INPUT FROM THE, FROM THE NEIGHBORS.
I THINK JUST TELLING 'EM IT, YOU CAN REQUEST IT, BUT DON'T EXPECT TO GET IT ALL THE TIME.
IT'S, I MEAN IT'S, YEAH, I THINK THAT'D BE FAIR.
YOU JUST BEING HONEST WITH THEM ON THAT'S WHAT WE ALREADY DO.
BUT, BUT GOING BACK TO THE, TO THE COMMENT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE ONLY ENFORCING IT 20%, YOU'LL GET PEOPLE TO COME IN AND SAY, DON'T, DON'T WORRY ABOUT A PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WILL APPROVE IT, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE GOTTA WE GOTTA FIX THAT.
AND THEY, AND IT NEEDS TO BE SOME, IN MY OPINION ANYWAYS, TO BE STANDARDIZED WHERE IT'S EQUAL FOR EVERYONE AND NOT JUST BE SUBJECTIVE.
AND THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING WITH IT.
SO WHAT I'M HEARING, DO WE WANT A THIRD OPTION BUILT OUT? DO WE WANT TO TOSS THESE TWO OPTIONS AND DO NEW OPTIONS? DO WE THINK ABOUT IT?
I KNOW, BUT, BUT SO WHAT, BUT WHAT YOU GUYS ARE SAYING IS THAT YOU WANT A STANDARDIZATION THAT WILL WORK FOR EVERYBODY AND, AND IT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE VERY CHALLENGING.
BECAUSE EVERY PROPERTY IS UNIQUE.
SO WE'VE GOTTA THINK, HOW CAN WE MAKE CERTAIN THAT IT IS STANDARDIZED, BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE, SO YOU CAN STANDARDIZE AND DISCRIMINATE.
DO YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? AGAINST? AND THAT'S WHERE THE CRITERIA OF A WAIVER COMES IN.
SO THAT'S, BUT WE HAVEN'T DEVELOPED THE CRITERIA FOR THE WAIVER YET.
WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT, OKAY, WE CAN WORK ON DEVELOPING THE CRITERIA AND BRING THAT SECTION BACK FOR YOU TO LOOK AT WITH SOME MORE THINGS THERE, UM, TO GO WITH IT.
UM, YEAH, BECAUSE THERE'S A DIFFERENCE WHEN THE OWNER IS, THE OWNER LIVES IN ONE HOUSE AND HIS HOUSE TWO HOUSES DOWN THE ROAD ALSO IS HIS, AND HE WANTS TO MAKE THAT A SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
AND SOMEBODY WHO'S IN WASHINGTON STATE AND WANTS TO MAKE A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN HOW THE NEIGHBORS LOOK AT THAT.
SO, I MEAN, WE CAN WORK ON CRITERIA.
THEN KEEP IT AT THE SETBACK OF A HUNDRED FEET, OR, YOU KNOW, AND, AND DIDN'T HAVE A, A CRITERIA FOR A WAIVER THAT'S ANYTHING BELOW THE, THE A HUNDRED FEET AND THE IN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU BALANCE THAT, BUT WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE DO ANYWAY.
YOU WANNA TAKE, YOU WANNA TAKE THE SUBJECTIVE PART OUT OF IT.
AND SO MANY OF THESE HOMES ARE NOT, UM, THEY'RE NOT CONSISTENT ON THE LOT.
SO THEY'RE TURNED OR THEY'RE, AND DEPENDING ON THE LOT, I'M GONNA TELL YOU, BECAUSE MY OWN LOT GOES, IT'S REALLY WIDE IN THE FRONT AND IT GOES NARROW.
AND SO IF YOU, WHEREVER YOU'RE MEASURING RIGHT, IT DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU'RE MEASURING FROM.
AND SO THAT'S THE OTHER FACTOR.
MY OWN LOT IS NOT, YOU KNOW, A RECTANGLE.
IT'S NOT A PERFECT RECTANGULAR LOT.
IT, YOU KNOW, SO ANYWAY, THOSE ARE SOME THINGS TO CONSIDER.
I JUST WANNA TRY, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GONNA STANDARDIZE IT, WE CAN'T STANDARDIZE IT TO THE POINT WHERE IT BECOMES DISCRIMINATORY
THEN WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THE O THEN WE'VE SWUNG THE PENDULUM THE OTHER WAY.
THAT'S ABSOLUTELY, IF YOU ALL WANT, I CAN THINK
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ON IT.THINK ON IT, AND PUT TOGETHER SOME IDEAS, MAYBE BRING IT BACK AT A FUTURE WORK SESSION.
YOU'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK ON THIS.
I APPRECIATE ALL THE INFORMATION, BREAKDOWN OF THE SETBACK, SARAH.
UM, GOING ON TO OUR NEXT ITEM IS ADJOURNMENT.