Nov 09, 2023 Planning Commission

FIRST ITEM, ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA.

[III. Adoption of the Agenda]

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE, UH, AGENDA AS PRESENTED.

I HAVE A FIRST, OR I HAVE A, UH, A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ADOPTION OF THE REGULAR MEETING MINUTES OF OCTOBER 11TH, 2023.

OPPOSED?

[IV. Adoption of the Regular Meeting Minutes]

I'LL MOVE THAT.

WE APPROVE THE MINUTES AS READ A SECOND.

HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

SEEING NO ONE CALL FORWARD, WE WILL MOVE AHEAD TO PUBLIC HEARINGS.

OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

SO, NEXT ITEM IS PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS.

PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS ARE ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA.

UH, LEMME READ IT THE RIGHT WAY.

ISSUES THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED ON THE MEETING AGENDA, IT IS INTENDED AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO GIVE INPUT ON RELATIVE PLANNING ISSUES AND NOT ATTENDED.

AS A QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD, IF ANY YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD WITH ANYTHING IS NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA.

[VI.A. CUP2023-10-01 - Jordan & Michelle Scheutzow - A request for a conditional use permit for a ShortTerm Tourist Rental. The property is located at 1296 Reliance Road and identified on tax map 2 as parcel 15. The property is zoned Agricultural (A) and is located in the North River Magisterial District. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator]

FIRST PUBLIC HEARING.

CUP 2023 DASH 10 DASH OH ONE, JORDAN, JORDAN AND MICHELLE HMM.

ALZA.

A REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL.

THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED 1296 RELIANCE ROAD IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAPPED TWO PARCEL 15.

THE PROPERTY IS OWNED AGRICULTURE AND IS LOCATED IN THE NORTH RIVER MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.

MR. LENTZ.

THE APPLICANTS ARE REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY THEY PURCHASED IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR.

THE OWNERS WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR SHORT-TERM LODGING FOR VISITORS, SEEKING A COMFORTABLE AND PEACEFUL PLACE TO STAY WHILE ENJOYING THE MOUNTAIN VIEWS, PRIMARILY RESIDING LESS THAN 750 FEET EAST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ON RELIANCE ROAD.

THE OWNERS WILL MANAGE THE PROPERTY PERSONALLY.

AND JUST NOTE THAT, UH, LAST YEAR, THIS PROPERTY WAS ALSO APPROVED FOR A VARIANCE TO ALLOW FOR A WELL TO BE LOCATED WITHIN 50 FEET FROM AN ADJACENT DRAIN FIELD.

PRETTY MUCH THE ONLY RECORDS WE HAVE FOR THE PROPERTY, THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT, UH, APPROVING A MAXIMUM OF TWO OCCUPANTS FOR THIS ONE BEDROOM DWELLING.

AND THEY HAVE SUBMITTED THEIR PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN.

THE APPLICANTS ARE REQUESTING A WAIVER TO THE SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATION, UH, REQUIRING A HUNDRED FEET OF SEPARATION FROM ALL NEIGHBORING RESIDENCES AS THE DWELLING DOES NOT MEET THE REQUIRED 100 FOOT SETBACK.

UH, THE DWELLING ON THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST IS LOCATED 80 FEET FROM THE DWELLING ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

SO, I'LL GO AHEAD AND READ THROUGH THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS FOR THIS FIRST PUBLIC HEARING AND LET YOU KNOW IT'S DIFFERENT.

SINCE ALL OF OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS.

UH, CONDITION NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS IN VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.

NUMBER TWO, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED THE SYSTEM CAPACITY AS DETERMINED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT PER WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION 180 DASH 56 4.

THE CERTIFICATE OF ZONING SHALL ONLY BE ISSUED WITH APPROVED HEALTH DEPARTMENT RECORDS.

NUMBER THREE, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE WELL WATER TESTED ANNUALLY FOR ECOLA AND COLIFORM BACTERIA, AND A COPY OF THE RESULTS SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING AND HEALTH DEPARTMENTS.

NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM INSPECTED ANNUALLY BY A STATE LICENSED INSPECTOR.

COPY OF THE RESULTS SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING AND HEALTH DEPARTMENTS.

THE SYSTEM SHALL ALSO BE SERVICED EVERY FIVE YEARS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, AND A COPY OF THE SERVICE INVOICE SHALL BE PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

NUMBER FIVE, THE DISCHARGE OF FIREARMS AND HUNTING ON THE PROPERTY BY GUESTS SHALL BE PROHIBITED.

NUMBER SIX, THE USE OF ALL TERRAIN VEHICLES BY GUESTS ON THE PROPERTY AND ON STATE AND COUNTY ROADS SHALL BE PROHIBITED.

NUMBER SEVEN, OUTDOOR BURNING AND USE OF FIREWORKS BY GUESTS SHALL BE PROHIBITED AND CONDITION.

NUMBER EIGHT.

SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO RECOMMEND THE WAIVER OF THE SETBACK, A WAIVER TO THE REQUIRED SETBACK OF 100 FEET TO NEIGHBORING DWELLING SHALL BE GRANTED FOR THE EXISTING 80 FOOT SETBACK TO THE DWELLING EAST OF THE SUBJECT

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PROPERTY.

THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER IS NOTIFIED.

BELIEVE THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE TONIGHT.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US.

EVERYBODY GOOD SO FAR? I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ANYONE SIGN UP? IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THE MATTER? IF YOU WOULD PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

SEEING NO ONE COME FORWARD, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

OH, ONLY THING IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT IS A SETBACK.

WELL, I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR MR. LEN.

IN HERE IT SAYS, LESS THAN SEVEN 50 IS THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY.

THAT'S CORRECT.

THE OWNER PRIMARILY RESIDES LESS THAN A THOUSAND FEET AWAY FROM THIS PROPERTY.

BECAUSE ON THE TAX RECORDS, THAT'S AUDREY AND TIMOTHY O'HARE LIVE AT 1314 RELIANCE ROAD.

AND THAT IS THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST OF IT? YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT.

I DID NOT SAY IT WAS THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.

IT IS JUST, UH, DOWN THE ROAD FROM IT CLOSER TO THE, THE RELIANCE VILLAGE.

THE ONE TO THE WEST? YEAH.

, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FROM THAT OWNER.

THAT'S, AND THERE'S NOTHING BETWEEN THOSE PROPERTIES OTHER THAN GRASS.

IS THE APPLICANT HERE? YES.

YOU THE APPLICANT.

THEY'RE NOT HERE, UNFORTUNATELY.

COULD YOU ADDRESS THAT PLEASE? YES.

OH, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.

MY NAME IS MICHELLE SCHWAZO.

WE LIVE AT 1452 RELIANCE ROAD.

UH, YOU'RE CORRECT THAT THERE'S BEEN HISTORICALLY JUST GRASS BETWEEN THOSE TWO PROPERTIES.

THEY BOUGHT THEIR HOUSE THE SAME TIME WE BOUGHT OUR PROPERTY AT 1296 ON MONDAY.

A FULL FENCE AROUND THE ENTIRE PROPERTY IS BEING INSTALLED.

UH, AND THE O'HARA'S, WHO ARE ALSO NEW RESIDENTS, ARE IN FAVOR OF THAT.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TO THEM ABOUT OUR, UH, OUR PLAN, HOW WE'RE GOING TO USE THIS PROPERTY, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE FINE WITH IT AS WELL.

THEY'RE NOT HERE AND WE DON'T HAVE A LETTER FROM THEM.

I THOUGHT THAT IT WAS JUST PEOPLE WHO WERE AGAINST IT SHOULD COME AND, AND SPEAK TO THAT.

SO I DON'T HAVE A LETTER FROM THEM? NO.

OH, I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT HERE OPPOSED TO IT EITHER.

TYPICALLY WHEN WE WAIVE THE SETBACK, OH, WE DON'T HAVE TO.

BUT IT'S NICE TO HAVE THE INPUT SURE.

OF THAT NEIGHBOR TO SAY, HEY, SURE.

I'M OKAY WITH THIS BECAUSE IT'S, UH, SURE I UNDERSTAND.

I I WAS UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT IT WAS JUST, IF THEY WERE OPPOSED TO IT, THEY SHOULD COME AND SPEAK.

UM, BUT WE'VE BEEN YEAH, LET'S FOR IT.

OH, WE, WE COULD, UH, I MEAN, IF THEY HAVE A LETTER FROM THE NEIGHBOR FROM THE, YOU KNOW, IF WOULD, WOULD YOU FEEL BETTER TO TABLE IT AND SEE IF THEY COULD GET THE INFORMATION FROM THAT NEIGHBOR TO, TO EITHER FOR OR AGAINST THE, UH, SETBACK? WELL, THIS IS SUCH A SMALL HOME.

YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A BIG PARTY HERE.

I DID LOOK AT THAT.

YOU'RE NOT GONNA, IT'S, IT'S A VERY SMALL HOME.

IT'S ONLY 600 SQUARE FEET.

YEAH, I SAW THAT .

IT'S A VERY SMALL TOUCH.

AND I WENT OUT THERE AND DROVE PAST IT.

NOTHING TOO RAMBUNCTIOUS HAPPENING EITHER.

IT'S VERY SMALL AND WE ARE PUTTING UP A FENCE.

THE O'HARA ALSO HAVE A FENCE AT THEIR HOUSE.

SO THERE, THERE WILL BE TWO FENCES UP.

UH, EVERYTHING WILL BE CLOSED IN.

SO, UM, WE EXPECT IT TO BE A VERY QUIET PLACE.

I DON'T SEE THAT.

UNLESS YOU GET TWO RAMBUNCTIOUS PEOPLE.

, I, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT, WHATEVER.

THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I, SINCE IT IS A SMALL HOME.

AND THEY'RE NOT FAR, YOU KNOW, FROM YEAH.

THEY'RE NOT A HUNDRED MILES AWAY.

WE'RE, WE'RE THREE HOUSES DOWN.

WE KNOW EVERYBODY IN THE AREA AND NOBODY'S OPPOSED.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S IMPORTANT.

IF THEY WERE REALLY CONCERNED, THEY DEFINITELY WOULD'VE BEEN HERE.

SIGN A LETTER.

SO I, I BELIEVE WE NEED TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING STILL IF NOBODY ELSE IS GONNA SPEAK.

I CAN'T HARDLY REMEMBER WHAT I HAD FOR LUNCH TODAY.

DIDN'T ANYMORE.

MESSED ME UP THERE.

YEAH, I, I AGREE TOO.

UM, IF, IF THE NEIGHBORS WERE OPPOSED, I THINK THEY WOULD BE HERE.

UM, I WOULD SAY BEFORE YOU GO TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO JUST GET A LETTER FROM THEM.

SURE.

STATING THEIR SUPPORT.

SURE.

I THINK I'D BE OKAY.

'CAUSE WE ACTUALLY VOTED ON THAT IN AUGUST, RIGHT ON THAT ONE.

OH YEAH.

I KNOW.

EVERYONE'S KIND OF BEEN A HOT TOPIC THING HERE LATELY, SO.

SO WE JUST WANNA BE CAREFUL WITH IT.

SURE.

ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE APPLICANT? I THINK, I THINK WE'RE OKAY.

ALL THANK YOU.

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SORRY TO HELP.

I CAN HELP YOU THERE.

UM, MR. CHAIR, I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONALLY USE PERMIT REQUEST OF JORDAN MICHELLE SCH SCHITZ FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL WITH A CONDITION AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.

I'LL SECOND HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

IT'LL GO TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND, UH, I WOULD RECOMMEND TRYING TO GET THAT LETTER.

WILL DO.

THANK YOU, MR. MR. HENRY? YES.

JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY THAT USED TO BE A, A VEGETABLE STAND THERE MANY YEARS AGO.

AND, UH, IT WAS CONVERTED BY MAYBE THE PREVIOUS PROPERTY OWNER.

SHE ACTUALLY BOUGHT BOTH HOUSES AT THE SAME TIME AND, AND CONVERTED THAT SHE WAS ABLE TO GET, I THINK SHE GOT A FAMILY SUBDIVISION OR SOMETHING.

UH, SHE WAS ABLE TO SUBDIVIDE IT 'CAUSE THERE WAS JUST ENOUGH LAND.

BUT, UH, THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER IT AS WHEN I FIRST STARTED HERE, SO.

WOW.

YEAH, IT HAD BEEN A GAS STATION AND A GENERAL STORE.

MORE THAT.

ISN'T THAT COOL? JUST SOME INTERESTING.

SO IT HAS BEEN USED FOR THAT CIRCLE DRIVE.

THERE WAS ONE PUMP OUT FRONT.

HOPEFULLY THE TANK IS GONE.

OKAY, UH, MOVING FORWARD.

[VI.B. CUP2023-10-02 - Oleg Li - A request for a conditional use permit for a Short-Term Tourist Rental. The property is located at 116 Mossy Rock Way and identified on tax map 24B, section 1, block 20, as parcel 615. The property is zoned Residential-One (R-1) and is located in the Blue Mountain subdivision in the Shenandoah Magisterial District. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator]

UH, SECOND PUBLIC HEARING.

CUP 2023.

UH, 10 DASH OH TWO BOY, THAT'S HAVING A BAD NIGHT WITH THE NAMES ON IT.

AIG LEE A, A REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL.

THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1 1 6 MOSEY ROCKWAY IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 24 B SECTION ONE BLOCK 20 AS PARCEL SIX 15.

THE PROPERTY IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL AND IS LOCATED ON THE BLUE MOUNTAIN SUBDIVISION IN THE SHEOR MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.

MR. LINZ, THANK YOU.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM TOUR RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY PURCHASED IN SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR.

THE OWNER WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR SHORT-TERM LODGING FOR VISITORS OF THE WARREN COUNTY AREA, SEEKING PEACE IN NATURE.

UH, PRIMARILY RESIDING IN FALLS CHURCH, VIRGINIA.

THE APPLICANT WILL MANAGE THE PROPERTY PERSONALLY WITH ASSISTANCE FROM A LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGER.

UH, THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE BLUE MOUNTAIN SUBDIVISION.

WE DID RECEIVE COMMENTS FROM THE BLUE MOUNTAIN, UH, POA BOARD OF DIRECTORS, UM, RECOMMENDING DISAPPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION.

UH, THERE IS ALSO A HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT ON FILE APPROVING A MAXIMUM OF EIGHT OCCUPANTS FOR THE DWELLING, AND THEY HAVE SUBMITTED A PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN.

UH, THE DWELLING ALSO DOES MEET THE 100 FOOT SETBACK FROM NEIGHBORING DWELLINGS WITH THE NEAREST DWELLING LOCATED 230 FEET TO THE SOUTH.

UH, WE ALSO, I DO ALSO WANT TO NOTE THAT WE DID RECEIVE A FEW LETTERS OF OPPOSITION TO THIS AND ONE WAS LATE AND, UH, PROVIDED TO YOU BEFORE THE MEETING IS THE STANDARD CONDITIONS WE'RE RECOMMENDING FOR THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UH, MINUS CONDITION NUMBER EIGHT FOR THE SETBACK WAIVER.

UH, AND THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED WITH THE JASON PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED.

I'M ACTUALLY NOT SURE IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE.

THE APPLICANT IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US.

UH, WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING UNLESS ANYBODY'S GOT ANYTHING, UH, PUBLIC HEARING'S OPEN, UH, IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO COME UP.

HI, UH, MY NAME IS OLE LEE.

I RESIDE IN FALLS CHURCH, 7 4 2 3 BEON STREET FALLS CHURCH.

OH, DID ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT NOW? OH, LET'S WAIT TILL AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.

WE, WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU AFTER IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS GOT ANY COMMENTS.

OKAY? OKAY.

UM, IF, IF YOU WANNA TAKE A SEAT, WE'LL WE'LL CALL YOU BACK.

WHETHER IT'S THE WAY THAT THEY'RE RENTING IT, WHO THEY'RE RENTING IT TO, THEIR SUPERVISION OR WHATEVER, BUT ALREADY THERE'S BEEN SOME ISSUES.

UM, NO ONE SIGNED UP.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS PUBLIC HEARING? DO YOU PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? HI, MY NAME'S DONNA GRAY AND I LIVE AT 3 49 ROCKY SPRING LANE IN LINDEN, BELOW MOSSY ROCK.

I HAVEN'T BEEN HOME FOR THE WEEKENDS WHERE THE PARTIES HAVE GONE ON, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT THE POLICE HAVE BEEN CALLED A COUPLE TIMES ON THIS HOUSE.

WE HAVE MANY RENTALS UP THERE, AND THEY DON'T USUALLY GET CALLS FOR POLICE, SO I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT THIS HOUSE,

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IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST SEEING NO ONE ELSE? I CAN, UH, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN ASK THE APPLICANT IF HE'D LIKE TO RESPOND.

UH, PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.

UH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND TO HER COMMENTS ABOUT THE NOISE? YES.

I WOULD LIKE TO FIRST TO APOLOGIZE TO THE NEIGHBOR FOR THE NOISE WE'VE CREATED.

UH, WE HAD ONE GUEST AND POLICE WAS CALLED TWICE ON THIS GUEST.

AND, UH, WE'VE, UH, TAKEN PREVENTIVE MEASURES.

WE'VE INSTALLED CAMERAS AND NOISE SENSORS AND, UH, AND, UH, I DON'T THINK THIS WILL HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE.

AND IF WE RENT THE AIRBNB, WE WILL NOT ACCEPT LARGE PARTIES.

WE'LL NOT ACCEPT PARTIES AT ALL.

IT'S JUST FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN WHO WOULD WANT TO ENJOY THE NATURE.

SO I KNOW THERE IS, THERE WAS A PROBLEM IN THE PAST.

UH, I KNOW WE SHOULD HAVE DONE MORE WORK ON, UH, MAKING SURE THAT, UH, CONTROL OUR NOISE IS CONTROLLED.

BUT GOING FORWARD, WE'VE, UH, CREATED PROCEDURES AND AND SELECTION PROCESS ON, ON THE FUTURE TENANTS WHERE I, I DON'T THINK, UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE ANY ISSUES GOING FORWARD.

SO WE HAVE VIDEO CAMERAS, UH, ALL OVER THE PROPERTY RECORDING AND, AND THEY ARE, UH, THEY'RE ACTIVATED BY THE NOISE.

AND IF THERE'S ANY ISSUES, I THINK WE WILL HEAR ABOUT IT.

AND WE HAVE A LOCAL PERSON WHO IS, UH, LIVING NOT FAR FROM THE PROPERTY, WHO WILL BE, UH, CONTACTED AND WILL BE CONTACTED, UH, AS WELL.

SO I THINK WE CAN MANAGE THE NOISE.

UH, AND, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND WE DID DISTURB, UH, DONOR OR NEIGHBORS IN THE PAST.

SO USING THE NEW TECHNOLOGY AND MODERN TECHNOLOGY, HOPEFULLY WE CAN, I'M PRETTY SURE WE CAN MANAGE THIS.

IS THERE AN ALARM THAT IS SET OFF SOMEWHERE THAT SOMEONE'S MONITORING? YES.

UH, NOISE GETS ABOVE A CERTAIN DELE LEVEL? YES.

WE, UH, WE HAVE, UM, INSTALLED RING RING SYSTEM.

UH, IT'S CAMERAS THAT ARE MOTION, UH, ACTIVATED AND NOISE ACTIVATED.

SO WE GET A, A LOT ALERTS ON OUR CELL PHONES RIGHT AWAY.

UH, EVERYTHING IS RECORDED AND WE CAN TAKE ACTION RIGHT AFTER THAT.

UM, THE WAY WE'RE GONNA DO IT, WE WILL INSTALL THE LANDLINE IN THE PROPERTY.

SO IF THERE'S A CONS, UH, IF WE, IF WE HEAR THERE'S A NOISE, WE WILL CALL TO THE PROPERTY RIGHT AWAY.

SO WE HAVE, UH, WE KNOW THE CELL PHONE NUMBERS, THE PEOPLE WE RENT, AND, AND AGAIN, WE HAVE A LOCAL PERSON WHO WOULD, WHO LIVES NOT FAR, LIKE LITERALLY LIKE FIVE OR 700 FEET FROM, FROM THE PROPERTY WHO WOULD HELP US, UH, MANAGE THE, THE ISSUE.

OF COURSE, AS A SHORT TERM RENTER, YOU DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHO YOU'RE GETTING, BUT WE WILL, ON THE DESCRIPTION OF THE PROPERTY, WE WOULD NOT ACCEPT ANY, UH, LARGE PARTY, UH, PARTIES AT ALL.

JUST FAMILIES.

AND, AND, AND WE WILL NOT ACCEPT ANY NOISE GOING FORWARD.

WOULD YOU ACCEPT A CONDITION, ADDITIONAL CONDITION? NO.

OUTSIDE MUSIC? YES.

PERIOD.

YOU WOULD ACCEPT THAT? I WOULD ACCEPT THAT.

ANYBODY ELSE GOT ANY MORE QUESTIONS? NO.

THE APPLICANT? I DO NOT.

OH, WHAT, WHAT IS OUR CURRENT, UH, CURRENT NOISE POLICY FOR, UH, SHORT-TERM RENTALS? SO THE NOISE ORDINANCE IS ENFORCED SEPARATELY, UM, BY THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE WITH, WHEN IT COMES TO CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, IF WE GET A REPEATED VIOLATIONS OF THE NOISE ORDINANCE, THEN THAT WOULD BE A VIOLATION OF A LOCAL CODE AND THEREFORE COULD BE GROUNDS FOR REVOCATION OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

I WAS LOOKING AT THAT CODE FOR ANOTHER REASON TODAY 64 AND R ONE.

SO THIS IS, THIS IS R 1 6 64 DECIBELS, SO IT'S 64 DECIBELS AND R ONE, NOT SEVEN.

SO THAT'S, THERE ARE STOCK CARS.

LIKE THE MUSTANGS OF THOSE, IT'S JUST THEY'RE MUST MUFFLER ARE ABOVE THAT.

RUNNER, IT'S BEEN SEVERAL.

THAT'S NOT VERY LOUD.

NO, IT ISN'T.

SO IT'S, IT'S NOT VERY LOUD.

SO THAT'S, DO, DO YOU THINK, UH, DO YOU THINK THE CURRENT NOISE ORDINANCE IS ENOUGH AS IS WITHOUT ADDING ADDITIONAL CONDITION? I GUESS THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT.

WELL, THE REASON I ASKED FOR THE CONDITION IS BECAUSE IN READING OUR PACKET, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S NOT BEEN ONE

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AND THE FACT THAT IT'S TWO ROADS DOWNHILL FROM YOU, YES.

NOISE TRAVELS IN THE MOUNTAINS EASIER.

I UNDERSTAND FROM WHERE I AM AT MILE AND A HALF AWAY FROM 5 22, I SAID HIGH GROUND, I CAN HEAR.

MM-HMM, , I'M, I'M SURE I CAN HEAR, UH, SOMEONE'S CELL PHONE GO OFF DOWN THERE.

BUT, UH, IT JUST, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE WAS NO REGARD FOR ONE, THE, THE CODE OF THE COUNTY BECAUSE THEY, THEY DID THIS WITHOUT GETTING THE C UH, CSUP PLUS.

THEY DIDN'T, THEY'RE NOT, THEY WEREN'T, UH, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? UH, WEREN'T DOING ANYTHING TO CONTROL THE NOISE AT THAT POINT.

THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING IF, IF YOU'RE GONNA GO TO THE WOODS, TO THE MOUNTAINS AND ENJOY THE OUTDOORS, WHY DO YOU NEED A BOOM BOX THAT'S GONNA FILL THE NEIGHBOR, THE VALLEY WITH SOUND? RIGHT.

OH, I HAD NO PROBLEM WITH THE CONDITION.

I CAN SUPPORT IT EITHER WAY.

THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT THE CONDITION WAS, SINCE THERE HAS BEEN MORE THAN, WHICH APPEARS MORE THAN ONE INCIDENT.

AND, AND HE'S AGREED THAT HE'S COMFORTABLE WITH THE CONDITION.

SO I, I GUESS MY HESITATION WITH ADDING THAT AS A CONDITION IS HOW DO YOU REGULATE IT? UM, IF, I MEAN, IF WE SAY NO MUSIC WHATSOEVER, OUTDOORS, RIGHT, BUT IS YOUR, IS YOUR PHONE UH, RINGING? IS THAT MUSIC? I MEAN, YOU COULD SET YOUR RING TONE TO BE A SONG, BUT THE NEIGHBORS AREN'T GONNA BE HERE.

WELL, YOU, THE NEIGHBOR'S NOT GONNA CALL THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT OR THAT.

WELL, BUT, BUT IF, BUT IF THE CONDITION IS NO MUSIC WHATSOEVER, NO.

OUTSIDE MUSIC, NO.

NO OUTSIDE MUSIC WHATSOEVER.

I MEAN, THAT, THAT IS, THAT SEEMS VERY DRASTIC AND, AND HARD TO, TO MEASURE, UH, AND ENFORCE, I MEAN, IF WE HAVE A NOISE ORDINANCE CURRENTLY, AND TO YOUR POINT, 64 DECIBELS IS NOT VERY LOUD THAT, YOU KNOW, I I THINK THE APPLICANT HAS, UH, HEARD THE CONCERNS AND IT SOUNDS LIKE HE'S TAKING ACTIONS TO ADDRESS 'EM.

UM, IF THE PROBLEMS PERSIST, THEN, UH, TO DEPEND NOT OWNING THE PROPERTY LONGER, THE PROBLEMS MAY BE FROM INEXPERIENCE TO NOT SO MUCH AS INTENT, BUT JUST, YOU KNOW, NOT, NOT UNDERSTANDING THAT IT COULD GO THAT LONG.

SO, BUT RIGHT.

THAT BEING WITH THE CONDITIONS GOING FORWARD, IT COULD ALWAYS BE BROUGHT BACK IN, IT COULD BE TAKEN AWAY.

CORRECT.

EXACTLY.

OH, ABSOLUTELY.

AND IN ALL HONESTY, I MEAN, IF, IF ANOTHER NEIGHBOR IS LISTENING, A HOMEOWNER IS LISTENING TO MUSIC OUTSIDE, IT'S REALLY HARD TO PINPOINT EXACTLY WHERE THAT MUSIC IS COMING FROM.

AND SO IT'S ALMOST AS IF WE DON'T WANT TO CAUSE TOO MUCH MORE, UH, ADDED STRESS ON, YOU KNOW, THE SHERIFFS UNLESS IT'S REALLY NECESSARY.

BUT I DO LIKE THE FACT THAT HE'S MITIGATING THE SITUATION WITH, YOU KNOW, THE RING TONE OR THE HAVING THE RING CAMERAS.

AND, AND TRYING TO, UH, COME UP WITH A SOLUTION TO ALLOW HIM TO CONTINUE.

UM, IF HE'S DONE WHAT HE SAYS, THEY'RE GOOD, THEY'RE GOOD SOLUTIONS, I THINK.

WELL, WHATEVER YOU'D LIKE TO DO, I'LL TAKE A MOTION.

WELL, I'LL GO AHEAD AND DO IT.

I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MOVES FOR THE APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE USE CON CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST FOR FOR THE SHORT TERM RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.

I'LL SECOND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.

OPPOSED TO CARRY ON TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

THIRD PUBLIC HEARING CUP 20 23 1 0 0 3 BENJAMIN HUN, REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL.

[VI.C. CUP2023-10-03 - Benjamin Huhn - A request for a conditional use permit for a Short-Term Tourist Rental. The property is located at 489 Vaught Drive and identified on tax map 15E, section 1, block 1, as parcel 453. The property is zoned Residential-One (R-1) and is located in the Mountain Lake section of the Shenandoah Farms subdivision in the Shenandoah Magisterial District. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator]

THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 8 49 VAULT DRIVE AND IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 15 E SECTION ONE BLOCK ONE AS PARCEL 4 53.

THE PROPERTY IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL AND IS LOCATED IN MOUNTAIN LAKES SECTION OF SHEOR FARM SUBDIVISION IN THEODOR, MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.

MR. LIN, AGAIN, THANK YOU.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY HE PURCHASED IN JULY OF THIS YEAR.

THE OWNER WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THEIR PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR SHORT-TERM LODGING FOR VISITORS SEEKING TO EXPLORE THE BEAUTY OF WARREN COUNTY AND THE SHENANDOAH NATIONAL PARK WHEN HE IS NOT USING THE PROPERTY PERSONALLY, PRIMARILY RESIDING IN WASHINGTON, DC THE APPLICANT WILL MANAGE THE PROPERTY PERSONALLY WITH ASSISTANCE FROM A LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGER.

THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT ON FILE FOR THIS PROPERTY APPROVING A MAXIMUM OF SIX OCCUPANTS, AND THEY HAVE PROVIDED THEIR

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PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN AGAIN, LISTING A LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGER AND THE DWELLING DOES MEET THE MINIMUM SETBACK REQUIRED FROM ALL NEIGHBORING RESIDENCES WITH THE NE NEAREST DWELLING LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 130 FEET TO THE EAST.

AND IS THE STANDARD CONDITIONS WE'RE RECOMMENDING FOR THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IDENTICAL TO THE PREVIOUS ITEM.

THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.

ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER IS NOTIFIED, BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

IS THERE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD TO MR. LIN'S COMMENTS? NO.

I I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN.

DID ANYONE SIGN UP? NO.

IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD CARE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS APPLICATION THAT DID NOT SIGN? SEEING NO ONE COME FORWARD.

THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.

QUESTION.

STRAIGHTFORWARD? NO.

NO.

PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

MOTION.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST FOR BENJAMIN HUM, UH, FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.

MOTION.

AND A SECOND.

OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT, IT WILL CARRY ON TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

OUR FOURTH AND FINAL PUBLIC HEARING, CUP 20 23 0 1 0 5 OR 1 0 1 0 5 VISTA PROPERTY MANAGEMENT.

[VI.D. CUP2023-10-05 - Vesta Property Management (Charlotte Ross & John Mahoney) - A request for a conditional use permit for a Short-Term Tourist Rental. The property is located at 115 Greystone Drive and identified on tax map 29A, section 1, as parcel 30A1B. The property is zoned Residential-One (R-1) and is located in the Belmont subdivision in the South River Magisterial District. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator]

CHARLOTTE ROSS, JOHN MAHONEY.

REQUEST FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL.

THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1 1 5 GRAYSTONE DRIVE AND IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 29 SECTION ONE PARCEL THREE ZERO A ONE B.

THE PROPERTY IS OWNED RESIDENTIAL AND IS LOCATED IN THE BELMONT SUBDIVISION IN THE SOUTH RIVER MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.

MR. LINZ, THANK YOU ON BEHALF OF THE CURRENT OWNERS, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY THEY PURCHASED IN JUNE OF THIS YEAR.

THE OWNER WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THEIR PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR SHORT-TERM LODGING FOR VISITORS OF THE WARREN COUNTY AREA WITH THE OWNERS PRIMARILY RESIDING IN WEST SPRINGFIELD, VIRGINIA.

THE PROPERTY WILL BE MANAGED BY A LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY.

UM, THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE BELMONT SUBDIVISION.

UH, AT THIS TIME THERE ARE NO CURRENT, CURRENT ACTIVE, UH, CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTALS IN THIS SUBDIVISION, UH, THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT, WHICH ALLOWS A MAXIMUM OF EIGHT OCCUPANTS FOR THE FOUR BEDROOM DWELLING, AND THEY HAVE PROVIDED A PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN.

AND THE DWELLING DOES ALSO MEET THE MINIMUM SETBACK REQUIRED FROM ALL NEIGHBORING RESIDENCES WITH THE NEAREST DWELLING LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 295 FEET TO THE NORTH.

AND I'LL ALSO MENTION WE DID RECEIVE A FEW, UH, LETTERS OF OPPOSITION FOR THIS REQUEST IN A LETTER OF SUPPORT AS WELL.

UM, A FEW OF THOSE WERE RECEIVED LATE AND WERE PROVIDED PRIOR TO THE MEETING AT YOUR PLACE.

AND IT IS THE STANDARD CONDITIONS WE'RE RECOMMENDING, UM, SAME AS THE LAST TWO.

THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED, AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, OH, WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING TO, UH, MR. LEN'S COMMENTS? NOT AT THIS TIME, OR YOU DO? NO.

ALRIGHT.

UH, THAT BEING SAID, WE'LL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING.

PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN.

ANYONE SIGN UP? YES.

GREGORY OLMSTED, WE MIGHT TO PASS.

YEAH, POSSIBLE.

I'D LIKE TO HAVE ROGER GO FIRST.

ROGER, I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THE ORDER.

IF IT, IF IT DOESN'T, UH, IF I UNDERSTAND HONOR, I'LL JUST WAIT UNTIL LAST IF THAT'S FINE.

I, I HAVE TO ARRIVED FIRST, BUT I DON'T NEED TO SPEAK.

WELL, THE OTHER PERSON I HAVE SIGNED UP IS ROGER WRIGHT.

IS THAT YOU? THAT'S ME.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME? SURE.

OH, THAT'D BE GREAT.

STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AGAIN FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.

UH, ROGER WRIGHT.

2 4 9 GREYSTONE DRIVE FRONT.

WELL, THANK YOU.

I AM, AS I JUST SAID, ROGER.

I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE BELMONT HOA, WE CALL IT THE POA PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION.

I'D LIKE TO CORRECT ONE THING THAT WAS SAID BY CHASE.

UH, UM, 1 1 15 IS NOT IN THE BELMONT, P-O-A-H-O-A MAP, UH, THE PLAT, IT IS JUST OUTSIDE OF IT.

SO I'LL GO, I'LL EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT.

IN ORDER FOR THE MAHONEYS IN THIS CASE, TO GET TO THEIR HOUSE, THEY HAVE TO DRIVE THROUGH THE BELMONT, H-O-A-P-O-A.

UH, THERE ARE 39 MEMBERS IN BELMONT.

IT'S A SMALL HOA ACROSS FROM SKYLINE HIGH SCHOOL.

THEY HAVE TO DRIVE THROUGH BELMONT.

UM, THEY TAKE A STATE, TWO STATE ROWS, AND THEN THEY'D HAVE TO TAKE A PRIVATE

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ROAD.

GRAYSTONE DRIVE IS A PRIVATE ROAD, AS SUCH IS CONTROLLED BY THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF, UH, THE POA.

UM, WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY OF ALL THE VEHICLES GOING UP AND DOWN BELMONT, IT'S KIND OF, THEIR HOUSE IS ABOUT 50 YARDS, 75 YARDS NORTH, UH, MR. HOMESTEAD'S HOUSE, THAT'S WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE IN BELMONT IS.

SO THEY'RE JUST OUTSIDE THE PROPERTY LINE IN BELMONT, THE, THE PLAT LINE.

SO THAT'S OUR MAIN CONCERN.

MY MAIN CONCERN IS THAT IT'S A PERSONAL CONCERN THAT WE WERE NOT NOTIFIED, THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS WAS NOT NOTIFIED OF THE PROPOSAL FOR SHORT-TERM RENTAL.

WE WERE NOT NOTIFIED BY THE OWNERS.

SO WE WERE NOT NOTIFIED BY VESTA PROPERTY MANAGEMENT.

UM, UNLESS THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS, THAT'S ABOUT ALL I HAD TO SAY.

IF, UH, WE HAVE A QUESTION, WE'LL, OH, WE'LL ASK.

OKAY, GREGORY OLMSTED NAME AND ADDRESS AGAIN FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.

MY NAME'S GREG OLMSTED.

I DO LIVE, UH, IN 1 0 7 GRAYSTONE, WHICH IS THE NEXT RESIDENCE TO THE NORTH UP, UH, FROM THIS PROPERTY.

AND, UM, AS WAS MENTIONED, I AM ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT DO HAVE, I, I GUESS A CONCERN ABOUT, OR, OR OPPOSITION AS IT APPEARS AT THE MOMENT TO, UH, THIS SHORT TERM RENTAL.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT SHORT TERM RENTAL IS, UH, IN ESSENCE REALLY, I GUESS, AREN'T ANY DIFFERENT THAN A LONG TERM.

AND A LOT OF THE CONDITIONS ARE, ARE ALL THE SAME, THE IMPACT AND THE LIKE, EXCEPT FOR ONE.

AND THAT'S HAVING LIVED IN THIS HOUSE FOR FIVE YEARS AND THE PREVIOUS RESIDENTS OF ONE 15 FOR SIX YEARS, I'VE HAD, UH, TIME WATCHING THE HOUSE SINCE, SAY WHAT HAPPENS WHEN UNFAMILIAR PERSONS CLIMB THE, THE HILL.

AND IT MAY NOT BE POSSIBLE TO SEE ON THAT PLATT MAP, BUT THERE'S AT LEAST 160 OR 170 FEET OF ELEVATION CLIMB AND THE 900 FEET OR SO GOING UP TO THAT HOUSE, WHICH MEANS, UM, WELL, FOR INSTANCE, THE, THE PREVIOUS OWNERS WHO WERE THERE FOR SEVERAL YEARS PARKED ON THEIR DRIVEWAY, WHICH HAS LIKE A 25% LITERALLY GRADE IN IT AND FORGOT TO SET THE PARKING BRAKE ONCE, WHICH RESULTED IN THE CAR ROLLING ON THE HILL, LAUNCHING OFF A 25 FOOT EMBANKMENT.

IT ENDED UP IN MY BACKYARD.

UH, SO PEOPLE WHO AREN'T USED TO DRIVING ON HILLS LIKE THAT COMING UP TO THAT AREA POSE A DANGER JUST IN ITSELF.

IN TERMS OF DRIVING.

I'VE HAD TO HELP PEOPLE GET DOWN THE HILL WHO AREN'T FAMILIAR WITH DRIVING.

PEOPLE HAVE ENDED UP IN THE, UH, UH, DRAINAGE DITCHES OUT FRONT OF MY HOUSE, UH, WHO AREN'T FAMILIAR WITH COMING IN.

SOME OF THE DELIVERY DRIVERS WON'T DRIVE UP THE HILL.

OTHERS HAVE REFUSED TO DO DELIVERIES.

I, I, I JUST MENTIONED THAT BECAUSE THE HILL HAS IMPACT AND IN THE WINTER WHEN THERE'S SNOW AND ICE AND IT'S NOT EVEN DEEP, IT'S JUST ANYTHING THAT GLAZES THE ROAD, IT BECOMES IMPASSABLE.

UH, I MEAN, I SIMPLY DON'T PLAN TO DRIVE DOWN THE HILL WHEN IT'S THAT WAY.

THE PASTORES WHO LIVED THERE BEFORE, LITERALLY WOULD PARK THEIR CARS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE HILL DOWN GRAYSTONE DOWN IN THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WALK UP THE HILL.

SO THERE ARE THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT DO IMPACT THAT.

UM, THE, UH, THE OTHER THING I GUESS IS, UH, JUST FOR PERSONS WHO AREN'T FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA, UH, I UNDERSTAND THEM.

WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF BEARS UP THERE.

I MEAN, I, I HAVE ALMOST DAILY BEARS WANDER.

THEY'RE MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

THEY'RE BLACK BEARS.

THEY'RE, THEY'RE KIND, GENTLE, YOU KNOW, WE ALL KNOW THAT, THAT THEY'RE NOT BIG THINGS EXCEPT WHEN THEY'RE DESENSITIZED TO HUMANS.

AND, UH, I'M JUST CONCERNED, I GUESS, ABOUT SHORT TERM RUNNERS, PEOPLE WHO AREN'T FAMILIAR WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, NOT LOCKING UP TRASH, YOU KNOW, HAVING FOOD ON THE OUTSIDE AND THEN ENCOURAGING BEARS OR INVITE, YOU KNOW, HAVING BEARS BE DESENSITIZED TO THE AREA.

EVEN THE PE PAST STORIES WHO WERE THERE BEFORE, UH, HAD A PROBLEM WITH THEIR KIDS NOT CLOSING THEIR GARAGE DOOR WHERE THEIR TRASH CANS WERE.

AND THAT CAUSED A, AN INCREASED BEAR PROBLEM IN THE AREA.

SO MOST OF MY CONCERN ISN'T BECAUSE OF RENTAL, UM, BUT BECAUSE OF PERSONS WHO AREN'T FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA, UH, POSSIBLY POSING A HAZARD OF THEMSELVES 'CAUSE OF THE ROAD OR TO, TO THE NEIGHBORS IN THE AREA.

SO THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

CAN JUST SAY YOU AGREES WITH THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER AND, YOU KNOW, ADD YOUR PERSONAL DISPOSITION, YOU KNOW, TO THE COMMENTS OR WHATEVER, TO, UH, JUST FOR SAKE OF TIME.

SO, OKAY, I FORGOT TO MENTION IT, BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

I FORGOT TO MENTION, BUT WE DO TIME THEM, WE DO, WHAT'S OUR TIME LIMIT TONIGHT? THREE MINUTES.

THREE MINUTES.

THREE MINUTES IS OUR STANDARD TIME LIMIT.

SO IF YOU GET TO THE THREE MINUTES, TRY TO, UH, FINISH YOUR, UH, FINISH YOUR THOUGHT AND THEN IF, UH, SOMEONE BEFORE YOU HAS MADE THE EXACT SAME POINT, YOU

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UH, BUT WE DEFINITELY WANNA HEAR FROM YOU AND WE DEFINITELY WANNA GET YOUR THOUGHTS.

UM, THAT BEING SAID, IS THERE, THAT IS THE END OF THE LIST.

THAT IS THE END OF THE LIST.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

HI, GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME'S MANDY PLUM.

I'M AT, UH, 20TH EAST EIGHTH STREET, UH, FRONT ROYAL VIRGINIA.

I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO BE THE PROPERTY MANAGER FOR THIS PARTICULAR RESIDENCE.

UM, SO JUST A FEW THINGS.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE'S CLEAR ON.

THEY'RE NOT PART OF THE HOA, IF THIS WERE A LONG-TERM RENTAL, THAT WOULD BE A LOT MORE TRAFFIC.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THREE TO FOUR PEOPLE LIVING IN A HOUSE COMING IN AND OUT EVERY DAY.

SO I THINK THAT THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY ACTUALLY THOUGHT ABOUT THE COMMUNITY WHEN THEY MADE A DECISION FOR A SHORT TERM, UM, TO ENSURE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH TRAFFIC.

UH, I'M SURE IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH AN AIRBNB, AN AIRBNB COMES WITH A LONG LIST OF ITEMS THAT YOU'RE REQUIRED TO DO.

ONE OF THOSE ITEMS FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY THAT WE HAVE PUT ON THE SITE OR WILL PUT ON THE SITE, IS THAT IT REQUIRES A FOUR WHEEL DRIVE.

WE HAVE A 24 HOUR MAINTENANCE SERVICE.

SO IF SOMEONE WERE TO EVER GET STUCK, WE WOULD REMOVE THEM.

WE WOULD NOT MAKE THAT A RESPONSIBILITY OF A PROPERTY OWNER AROUND US OR NEAR US.

UM, IN REGARDS TO THE TRASH, THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT IS ALSO ON THE LIST OF ITEMS. IN LIEU OF THAT, IF I HAVE A LONG TERM TENANT THERE, THEY CAN LEAVE THEIR TRASH OUT ALL YEAR LONG AND THERE'S NOTHING I CAN DO BECAUSE THIS IS NOT IN AN HOA.

SO THAT COULD ACTUALLY BE A REAL PROBLEM.

WHEREAS WHERE IT'S A SHORT TERM, WE HAVE A LOT MORE CONTROL, UM, AND THEY USUALLY BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY BETTER.

SO THAT'S ALL WE HAVE TO SAY.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO IT.

UNFORTUNATELY, WE'RE STILL WORKING.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? NO ONE ELSE.

I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE A CHANCE TO REBUTTAL SOME OF THE CONCERNS? GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS, UH, CHARLOTTE MAHONEY, AND THIS IS MY HUSBAND JOHN.

AND WE LIVE AT 7 7 41 CARLY PARKWAY IN SPRINGFIELD, VIRGINIA.

UH, MY HUSBAND AND I ARE BOTH, UH, MILITARY RETIREES AND, UH, WE'VE BEEN COMING TO FRONT ROYAL FOR ABOUT 15 YEARS AND HAVE PLANNED ON RETIRING HERE.

AND, UM, THIS HOUSE CAME AVAILABLE.

WE LOVED IT.

THE VIEW IS SPECTACULAR AND WE'RE LIKE, THIS IS WHERE WE WANNA LIVE.

THIS IS WHERE WE WANNA RETIRE.

AND SO WE MADE THE DECISION TO PUT IT INTO A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, UH, TO PROTECT OUR INVESTMENT.

UM, WE HIRED A LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGER TO ENSURE THAT THERE WERE NOT GOING TO BE ANY PROBLEMS WITH ANY TENANTS THAT WE HAD.

IT GOES THROUGH THE AIRBNB SYSTEM.

UM, I'VE GOT TO ASSUME THAT THAT SYSTEM IS NOW VERY MATURE AND PEOPLE ARE VETTED, ET CETERA.

UH, WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE, THE ROAD IS STEEP.

IT IS STEEP, BUT AS MENTIONED BY MR. OLMSTED, UM, THEY'VE ALREADY HAD INCIDENCES THERE.

SO IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A CASE OF THE FLAVOR OF THE PERSON THAT'S DRIVING THE CAR.

IT'S THE FACT THAT IT'S THE MOUNTAINS AND THE ROADS ARE SLICK AND PEOPLE HAVE ACCIDENTS.

UM, BUT WE DO HAVE THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT TEAM THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE 24 7 IF THERE IS AN INCIDENT THAT OCCURS.

HOPEFULLY THERE WON'T BE.

UM, I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN INCIDENCES WITH AMAZON, ET CETERA.

AND IF THERE'S ANYBODY WHO IS FAMILIAR WITH ROADS, IT'S AMAZON DRIVERS BECAUSE LET'S FACE IT, WE ALL HAVE AMAZON COMING TO OUR HOUSE MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY.

I MEAN, MULTIPLE TIMES A WEEK.

NOW, UM, IN REFERENCE TO THE BEARS, WE ACTUALLY HAVE SEEN ONE BEAR ON OUR PROPERTY.

UM, WE HAVE A CAMERA UP, SO WE'LL HAVE CAMERAS AVAILABLE AND, UM, TO SEE THIS, AND, AND WE'VE SEEN ONE AND THAT'S BEEN IN FIVE MONTHS.

SO I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THE BEARS STAY DOWN LOWER, I DON'T KNOW.

BUT WE HAVEN'T SEEN THEM.

BUT OUR TRASH IS ALSO KEPT IN THE GARAGE.

SO, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO BELIEVE THAT IF IN THE, THE LEASE FOR THE FOLKS THAT IT SAYS KEEP THE TRASH IN THE GARAGE, WE HAVE BEARS, YOU'RE NEXT TO THE SHENANDOAH NATIONAL PARK.

THAT'S WHY YOU'RE HERE.

UM, PEOPLE WILL ABIDE BY THAT.

JUST AS WE HEARD EARLIER, AGAIN, THE PREVIOUS OWNERS HAD AN INCIDENCE WITH THE GARAGE BEING LEFT OPEN AGAIN, THEN IT'S

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NOT THE KIND OF PEOPLE THAT STAY THERE, IT'S THE FACT THAT THAT'S HUMAN NATURE.

SO, UM, ANYWAY, I I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY TO THE BOARD.

UM, APPRECIATE YOUR TIME HONEY .

UM, I'M JOHN MAHONEY.

SAME, SAME ADDRESS IN, UH, WEST SPRINGFIELD.

UM, CHARLOTTE AND I ARE, ARE VERY SENSITIVE TO THE, TO THE NEIGHBORS CONCERNS ABOUT, ABOUT PARKING AND THE WILDLIFE.

UM, WE ARE, WE, WE'VE, WE'VE PURCHASED, UH, PARKING, NO PARKING SIGNS.

UM, WE'VE, YOU KNOW, HAD IN-DEPTH DISCUSSIONS WITH OUR PROPERTY MANAGER ABOUT, ABOUT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERN WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE ROAD.

IT'S A NARROW ROAD.

UM, WE, WE ANTICIPATE THAT, YOU KNOW, IN THE WINTER MONTHS WHEN IT IS MOSTLY ICY, WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE LESS, UM, TENANTS, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GRANTED THE PERMIT.

'CAUSE IT'S THE SLOWER MONTHS.

SO WE ANTICIPATE MORE TRAFFIC DURING THE, YOU KNOW, THE WARMER MONTHS.

UM, BUT YOU KNOW, AS OUR PROPERTY MANAGER MENTIONED EARLIER, WE THINK THAT THE IMPACT TO THE, TO THE, THE COMMUNITY, THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS GONNA BE FEWER CARS DRIVING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THROUGH THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION PROPERTY, UM, THAN, THAN IF WE WERE THERE FULL-TIME.

SO YEAH, WE, WE, WE THINK WE'VE MITIGATED, UM, SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS ANYWAY.

ALRIGHT.

ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT WHILE THEY'RE HERE? NOTHING BY CHANCE.

WAS THIS THE BOYCE PROPERTY ORIGINALLY? UH, NO SIR.

THE BO PROPERTY IS, IS ADJOINS OURS, UM, UP THE HILL.

SO THIS IS ABOVE THE BOYS.

THE BOYCE PROPERTY'S BEHIND YOU.

ABOVE YOU.

IT IS ABOVE US, YES, SIR.

WAS THE BOY PROPERTY ROAD IS REALLY STEEP? UH, IT IS, BUT I ACTUALLY HELPED BUILD THAT ROAD WHEN I WAS A TEENAGER.

OH, NO KIDDING.

SO THAT'S BEEN A LONG TIME AGO TOO, BY THE WAY.

OH, I BET.

MORE RECENT THAN US.

MAYBE, MAYBE.

OH, THE ROAD IS THE SAME ROAD THERE DON'T, YEAH.

IT'S THE CABIN AT THE BOTTOM BEFORE YOU.

VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY NOW? MM-HMM.

MUCH WORSE AFTER IT PASSES AIRS FOR SURE.

IS IT PAVED TO YOURS NOW? IS IT PAVED? YES, SIR.

IT IS HARD SURFACE.

IT'S HARD SURFACE ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP.

YEAH, THAT, UH, I KNEW THE BOY HAD DARES, SO HAD IT HARD SURFACED.

I COULDN'T REMEMBER.

IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME.

SO.

OH, I HAVE NOTHING ELSE.

THANK YOU, SIR.

OH, I DIDN'T KNOW THE PROPERTY.

UH, IT IS A LITTLE STEEP.

THE ONE BEHIND THEM IS MUCH WORSE.

UH, I WOULD REALLY BEEN CONCERNED IF IT HAD BEEN THE, THE OLD VOICE PROPERTY, BUT THIS IS THE ONE BELOW IT.

IT'S A LITTLE STEEP TO, THEY MADE SOME FAIR POINTS.

OH, WE DO KNOW THAT SHORT TERM T RENTAL DOES PRODUCE LESS TRAFFIC.

'CAUSE IT'S NOT GONNA BE A FAMILY THERE SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.

AND, UH, IT'S NOT GONNA RENT 52 WEEKS A YEAR.

IT'S, IT'S NOT PROBABLE.

UH, THE OTHER THING AS FAR AS PACKAGE DELIVERIES AND STUFF LIKE THAT, SOME OF THOSE GUYS ARE A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY DON'T KNOW THE AREA TOO GOOD EITHER.

BUT, UH, WITHOUT A FULL-TIME RESIDENT, YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T GET THE DELIVERIES.

YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, NOT, NOT SAYING THAT YOU COULDN'T HAVE A DELIVERY, BUT YOU KNOW, WITHOUT A FULL-TIME RESIDENT, MUCH LESS DELIVERIES AND, UH, NO CHILDREN TO GET TO SCHOOL, YOU KNOW.

SO, UH, THERE IS SOME PLUSES AS FAR AS IMPACT OF A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, UH, THAT ARE POSITIVE, YOU KNOW, FROM THAT RESPECT, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS TRAFFIC AND, UH, THE WAY IT IMPACTS THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

BUT THEN THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF, YOU KNOW, YOU GET NEW PEOPLE.

THE, I GUESS THE PLUS TO IT IS IF YOU, IF, UH, A LONG-TERM RENTER, IF YOU'VE GOT A GOOD NEIGHBOR, IT'S GREAT.

YOUR SHORT-TERM RENTER, IF HE'S NOT A GOOD NEIGHBOR, YOU'RE STUCK WITH HIM.

OR IF IT'S A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, IF YOU DO GET A BAD NEIGHBOR, YOU'RE ONLY GONNA HAVE HIM PROBABLY FOR A WEEKEND.

UH, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, SO THAT YOU GET A TURNOVER.

SO IT'S KIND OF A, KIND OF HOW YOU LOOK AT THE SCALE DEPENDING ON WHAT GOES ON.

UH, HAS ANYBODY GOT ANYTHING ELSE? JUST A QUICK QUESTION FOR THE POA, WHO ARE YOU RESPONSIBLE FOR? THE ROAD MAINTENANCE MAINTAINING THE ASPHALT? UM, YOU SHOULD BRING HIM, YOU SHOULD COME BACK UP, PLEASE.

YEAH, I WANTED TO BRING THAT UP NOW.

UH, I JUST THOUGHT OF IT.

GRAYSTONE DRIVE IS A PRIVATE ROAD.

THAT AMOUNT FOR NEXT YEAR IS $150 A YEAR.

PRIVATE DRIVE, THAT'S, THERE'S TWO OTHER PRIVATE DRIVES ON BELMONT.

THOSE THAT LIVE ON GRAYSTONE, PAY FOR THE ANNUAL UPKEEP, SNOW REMOVAL AND UPKEEP OF GREYSTONE DRIVE.

UH, THERE ARE 13 CURRENTLY THAT LIVE ON GREYSTONE.

WE EACH CONTRIBUTE ONE AMOUNT ANNUALLY.

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THAT IS ALL.

SO A SNOW ONE, SNOW PLOWING COSTS ABOUT $250 TO PLOW OUT ONCE.

, IF WE HAVE A HEAVY SNOW, THAT AMOUNT GOES OUT QUICKLY, UH, EATS INTO OUR BUDGET.

SO THERE'S A SEPARATE FUND FOR ROAD MAINTENANCE.

AND, AND SNOW REMOVAL.

SO IF I CAN ADD SOMETHING WHY I'M UP HERE, IT WOULD BE IN OUR INTEREST IF YOU COULD ADD A STIPULATION THAT THE MAHONEYS PAY THEIR SHARE OF USING GRAYSTONE DRIVE, WHICH WOULD BE A HUNDRED, $150 A YEAR OR THIS YEAR, BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO USE GRAY ZONE IN OUR COVENANTS, THAT THEY'RE NOT SUBJECT TO THE COVENANTS.

I UNDERSTAND THAT EVERYBODY USES A PARTICULAR PRIVATE ROAD, PAYS THEIR FAIR SHARE.

SO I'D JUST LIKE TO ADD THAT.

DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR PO? NO, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL.

OH, I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION THAT, UH, POAS AND HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATIONS ARE NOT ENFORCED THROUGH THE COUNTY.

UH, THAT AGREEMENT WAS SIGNED BETWEEN THE PROPERTY OWNER AND WHOEVER DEVELOPED THE PROPERTY.

SO, UH, WE HAVE NO ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITY OR, AND WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T LEGALLY ADD CONDITIONS TO THAT.

I'M, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY TO THEM AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOT THE RIGHT TO USE IT, HOWEVER, BUT, OH, YOU KNOW, IN GOOD FAITH, THEY MAY REACH OUT TO YOU, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO, UH, YOU KNOW, LEGALLY WE CAN'T ENFORCE IT THAT WAY.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT I SAID IT? THAT'S CORRECT.

TAKE A MOTION OR A QUESTION OR YOU GOT ANY CONCERN? NO.

READY.

I'LL MOVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THE APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AS LONG AS MY SCREEN DOESN'T DIE, UH, WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVAL, A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THE VISTA PROPERTY MANAGEMENT, CHARLOTTE ROSS AND JOHN MAHONEY FOR SHORT-TERM RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONAL CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.

I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT, IT'LL TRAVEL TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ALL WHEN YOU GET TO THE BOARD, I MIGHT RECOMMEND THAT YOU, UH, MIGHT REACH OUT TO YOUR NEIGHBORS A LITTLE BIT.

YOU MIGHT HAVE A BETTER, A BETTER TIME AT THE BOARD WITH SOME COMMUNICATION THAT WAY.

BUT I'LL LEAVE IT UP TO YOU GUYS.

SO, UH, THAT CONCLUDES OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR TONIGHT.

I DIDN'T MISS ANY, DID I TURN MY PAPER OVER MR. HENRY? UH, PRIOR TO, UH, DOING THE CONSENT ITEM AND MOVING THROUGH THAT, I'D JUST LIKE TO MAKE YOU AWARE THAT WE DO HAVE THE, UH, REPRESENTATIVE FOR USTAR, UM, UH, MARISSA FROM GREENWAY ENGINEERING IS HERE.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE USTAR ITEM.

UH, AND WOULD LIKE TO PULL THAT FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA.

SHE IS HERE.

UM, AND ALSO WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVES OF GREEN VALLEY BAPTIST CHURCH IF YOU WANT TO.

UM, THEY JUST CAME TONIGHT, UH, NOT EXPECTING ANYTHING, JUST IN CASE, UH, THERE WERE QUESTIONS THAT WOULD COME UP.

SO I JUST WANNA MAKE YOU AWARE THAT THEY, THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE FOR THAT.

YOU'RE WELCOME TO JUST MOVE IT FORWARD AS AN AUTHORIZATION TO ADVERTISE AND THEY'LL BE HERE NEXT MONTH FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE THE PLAINTIFF COMMISSION AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT IF THEY SO CHOOSE.

I'LL TAKE A MOTION FOR WHATEVER CONSENT AGENDA OR WE CAN PULL 'EM OR WHATEVER, HOWEVER YOU'D LIKE TO DO IT.

ME PERSONALLY, I, UH, I JUST BARELY TIP TO TIPTOED THROUGH THE CONSENT AGENDA STUFF.

UH, I, I DID READ THEM IN THIS.

I, I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO ASK AN INTELLIGENT QUESTION AT THIS POINT TO, TO BE FAIR.

BUT IF, UH, ANYONE ELSE FEEL DIFFERENT AT THIS TIME THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO PULL THOSE OUT AND HAVE ANY DISCUSSION OR ANYTHING WITH THOSE PEOPLE, OR YOU'RE GOOD FOR NEXT MONTH? I'M ACTUALLY GOOD FOR, I DID READ 'EM BECAUSE YOU'RE RETIRED GUYS, IT'S GOT MORE TIME.

THAT'S .

, RIGHT? YEAH.

WELL, MY DOG KEEPS WAKING ME UP TOO DAMN EARLY .

BUT, UH, YEAH, I HAVE APPRECIATE THEM COMING OUT.

BUT, UH, I, I, I'M NOT PREPARED THAT WAY.

BUT IF, UH, BUT

[VII. Consent Agenda]

OH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE CON CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED.

HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR A AYE.

THEN MATTERS COMMISSION MATTERS.

OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT.

I APPRECIATE YOU COMING OUT AND, UH, WE'LL BE GLAD TO, UH, HEAR FROM YOU NEXT MONTH.

AND

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WE'LL LET IT CLEAR OUT A LITTLE BIT HERE.

AND YEAH, IT'S, I WAS, WHAT I WAS KIND OF DOING THERE, MY SCREEN STARTED GOING DARKER AND RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT, AND I GO, OH S**T.

I DON'T KNOW, LAST TIME I HAD IT TO WHERE IT DIDN'T, THERE'S A WAY TO GO.

IF YOU GO TO YOUR, YOUR SETTINGS, I DID SOMETHING.

IT BROUGHT IT UP DIFFERENTLY AND IT DIDN'T, YOU GOTTA GO TO YOUR SETTINGS AND THEN YOUR, OH, NO.

I MEAN, AS FAR AS I DID SOMETHING JUST BY TOUCHING THE SCREEN.

OH, I DIDN'T GO THROUGH THE SETTINGS.

I'M NOT THAT SMART.

I WAS GETTING READY TO SAY I'M, I HAVE TO, I WAS GONNA SAY THAT , YOU GET HANDED THREE TABLETS TO ADJUST THE SETTING.

NO, YOU CAN ADJUST THE TIMER LIKE TO WHERE IT DOESN'T GO OUT.

YOU CAN, I CAN PRINT EVERYTHING, BUT ITS BACK.

BUT THAT'S PARTLY WHY I PRINTED.

I DON'T CARE.

I DO.

I DON'T CARE ABOUT KILLING THE BATTERY.

HAVE ONLY USED 4% OF THE BATTERY TONIGHT.

SO MEETING OUR MICS ARE, HERE'S THE, SO IF YOU GO TO, IF YOU GO TO YOUR SETTINGS GOTCHA.

GO TO YOUR SETTINGS, GO TO DISPLAY AND BRIGHTNESS.

YOU CAN DO AUTO LOCK, YOU CAN SET IT TO WHERE NEVER FIVE MINUTES, TWO MINUTES, HOWEVER.

SO I'LL LET YOU, I'LL HAVE HIM TAKE THAT WITH YOU AND IT AUTOMATICALLY SHUTS DOWN AT TWO.

BUT YOU CAN OKAY.

CALL MATTHEW.

I'M GONNA LET HIM KICK THE DOOR SHUT THERE.

GET HIM TO MOVE ALONG.

UM, SUBDIVISION QUESTIONS.

UNFORTUNATELY WE CAN'T SHUT THE DOOR SINCE IT'S OH, IT'S, YEAH.

IT'S NOT A CLOSED PUBLIC STICK.

ANYWAY, UH, I'LL SPEAK UP AND, UH, JUST, UH, BRIEFLY.

UM, THE, UH, THE PLENTY STAFF'S JUST BEEN PRETTY BUSY WITH A LOT OF THINGS.

A LOT OF, UH, UH, PUBLIC SERVICE RELATED ITEM FUEL COMING IN.

UH, WE'VE GOT A, UH, CHASE IS WORKING ON A DETERMINATION FOR A PROPERTY, UH, THAT THE EDA OWNS OUT IN THE CORRIDOR.

UM, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

I'M KIND OF PICKING PEOPLE'S BRAINS TRYING TO GET SOME IDEAS OF MAYBE WHAT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD, WE COULD DO AND WE COULD ADDRESS IN, IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

I MEAN, IT'S PRETTY, PRETTY GOOD PLAN.

I THINK.

UH, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT HAVE CHANGED AND WE'LL DEFINITELY ADDRESS THE, THE DATA THAT WE HAD, UH, UH, MINE FROM, UH, THE, THE REGIONAL COMMISSION DID FOR US THAT WE WILL UPDATE THAT INFORMATION.

UH, IT'S JUST REALLY, I THINK THE INTENT OF IT IS, IS TO REFINE WHAT WE'RE SEEING AS FAR AS SOME OF THE LAND THE LAND USES AND THE IMPACT OF IT.

I MEAN, ONE OF THESE BEING SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTALS ON THE HOUSING MARKET AND, AND TAKING A LOOK AT THAT.

UM, WE DO HAVE THE, UH, FAMILY SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE AT THE BOARD LEVEL NOW ON BOARD, UH, TABLED THAT TO GET SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

WE WERE ABLE TO GET THAT INFORMATION FOR 'EM.

SO THAT IS AT THE, UH, UH, AS NEW OLD BUSINESS OR UNFINISHED BUSINESS ON THE 21ST.

SO WE'LL BE ADDRESSING THOSE TWO, UH, ORDINANCES.

THEN, UM, UH, WE'LL BE WORKING ON AN ANNUAL REPORT COMING TOWARD THE END OF THE YEAR.

UH, I, I CAN'T REALLY SAY HOW WE COMPARE TO LAST YEAR.

I MEAN, IT'S, YOU KNOW, UM, SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTALS HAVE BEEN STEADY, WE'LL SAY THAT MUCH.

UH, WE'VE HAD A VARIETY.

I THINK THE BIGGEST THING THIS YEAR WAS THE AMOUNT OF REZONINGS THAT WE HAVE.

AND WE ACTUALLY, UH, DO EXPECT TO GET, UH, A REZONING APPLICATION IN FOR A SITE OFF COUNTRY CLUB ROAD ADJACENT TO THE, UH, MARRIOTT HOTEL FOR, FOR A HOTEL ON THAT SITE.

SO, UH, WE'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THEIR ENGINEERS AND, UH, THEY, THEY, UH, MAY HAVE SOMETHING FOR US, UH, FOR THE DECEMBER MEETING.

UM, SO THAT WOULD BE A REZONING, UM, AND A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UH, FOR THE HOTEL.

UM, OTHER THAN THAT, UH, I, I HAVE NOTHING TO REPORT.

UH, JUST, UH, WISH YOU ALL A HAPPY THANKSGIVING.

BE SAFE AND, UH, YOU KNOW, HOPE YOU ENJOY YOUR TIME WITH YOUR FAMILIES.

SO POTENTIALLY YOU MIGHT SEE THAT ON YOUR CONSENT AGENDA FOR NEXT MONTH, A NEW DRAFT OF THAT ORDINANCE.

OH, WE USUALLY GO IN A DIFFERENT ORDER.

I'M GOING IN ORDER.

I'M USED TO GOING IN , MR. LINZ.

I AM STILL GETTING USED TO THIS, MAKING THE AGENDA THING.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, SO FOR, FOR ME, I AM GOING TO BE ATTENDING THE VIRGINIA FLOODPLAIN MANAGEMENT ASSOCIATION ANNUAL CONFERENCE NEXT MONDAY AND TUESDAY.

UM, BASICALLY TO KEEP MY CERTIFICATION, BUT HOPEFULLY I'LL LEARN A FEW THINGS TOO.

UH, AND NEXT TUESDAY, MATT MIGHT HAVE MENTIONED THIS, BUT, UH, HE'S TAKEN FORWARD, UH, DISCUSSION ITEM FOR THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON.

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UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

HAPPY THANKSGIVING.

THANK YOU, UH, COUNTY ATTORNEY.

IT'S GOOD TO BE WITH YOU.

UM, I GUESS I, I WOULD, THIS IS MY SECOND MEETING NOW WITH Y'ALL.

I WAS HERE AT THE LAST MEETING.

IF YOU HAVE LEGAL QUESTIONS, FEEL FREE DURING THE MEETING TO LET ME KNOW.

SOME OF Y'ALL MIGHT HAVE NOTICED I WAS READY TO CHIME IN ON THE, ON THE NOISE.

UM, BUT I REALLY DON'T WANT TO INTERRUPT IF, IF THERE'S NOT A LEGAL CONCERN, I DON'T WANT TO INTERRUPT YOUR, UM, DELIBERATIONS ON POLICY.

AND I, I THOUGHT YOU WERE ON SAFE GROUND ON THAT TO, TO DO WHATEVER YOU WANT, BUT JUST DON'T HESITATE TO ASK IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION.

THAT'S WHY I LOOKED AT YOU .

THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY I LOOKED OVER AT YOU WHEN I MADE THAT COMMENT.

YEAH, YOU'RE WELCOME TO ASK.

BUT I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T PRESUME TO CHIME IN UNLESS IT'S REALLY NECESSARY.

AND, AND I DIDN'T BELIEVE THAT IT WAS IN THAT INSTANCE.

DID YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING? NO,

[VIII. Commission Matters]

DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.

WE'RE DOWN TO COMMISSION MEMBERS.

WE'LL START ON THAT ONE.

UH, WELL ALSO WISH EVERYBODY A HAPPY THANKSGIVING.

AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

AND DON'T FORGET VETERANS DAY.

IT'S ACTUALLY SATURDAY.

YEP.

GOT IT.

VETERANS DAY.

SHOUT OUT TO THE PEOPLE THAT WON THE ELECTION.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

UH, GOT A NEW SHERIFF COMING.

GOT SOME TURNOVER.

UH, I FEEL LOCALLY THAT THERE WERE MISS COLORS.

UH, JOHN DELL, YOU KNOW, WE HAD SOME RUN ON OUR POST, BUT I FELT OVERALL THE REPUBLICAN TEAM HAD A VERY GOOD, UH, A VERY GOOD OUTCOME.

AND, UH, I ACTUALLY TOOK TIME TO WORK A POLE AND, UH, I THINK I'D RATHER SHOVEL GRAVEL.

THAT IS A LONG DAY TO STAND UP AND HAND OUT PAPERS AND BE NICE ALL DAY, WHICH IS MAYBE HARD FOR ME TO DO.

MAYBE THAT'S WHAT THE PROBLEM IS.

BUT, UH, LONG, LONG DAY.

BUT, UH, I'M GLAD IT'S PASSED US AND I'M EXCITED TO SEE HOW THE, UH, NEW ELECT WILL AFFECT US.

FIRST OF THE YEAR, YOU TRIED TO TELL US YOU HAD TO BITE YOUR TONGUE ONCE OR TWICE DURING THE DAY.

IS THAT SORT OF WE BETTER NOT GET INTO THAT.

YOU WANNA SEE THE SCARS? , KEVIN? UM, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING QUITE YET.

NOTHING NEW, BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST HAPPY THANKSGIVING, VETERANS DAY, ALL THE GOOD STUFF.

WELL, THAT, UH, MOTION TO ADJOURN.

SO, UH, MOVED.

WE'LL CALL THAT ADJOURNED.