Jan 10, 2024 Planning Commission

THIS EVENING WE WILL BE, UH, NOMINATING OFFICERS FOR THE CHAIRMAN, THE VICE CHAIRMAN, AND THE SECRETARY AND CLERK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

UH,

[III. Election of Officers and Secretary to Planning Commission]

UH, THE CHAIRMAN AND VICE CHAIRMAN SHALL BE ELECTED BY THE MEMBERSHIP.

THE SECRETARY SHALL SERVE AT THE REQUEST OF THE COMMISSION AND MAY BE A MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION, AN EMPLOYEE OF WARREN COUNTY OR A CITIZEN VOLUNTEER.

UH, NOMINATIONS OF OFFICERS SHALL BE MADE FROM THE FLOOR AT THE BEGINNING OF JANUARY MEETING, UH, OF THE CURRENT YEAR, AND THIS YEAR BEING 2024 AND JANUARY, WE WILL BE DOING THAT THIS EVENING.

UH, CANDIDATE RECEIVING A MAJORITY OF THE VOTE OF THE ENTIRE MEMBERSHIP SHALL BE DE DECLARED ELECTED, AND TERMS OF OFFICE SHALL BE FOR ONE YEAR UNTIL THE SUCCESSOR TAKES OFFICE.

VACANCIES WILL BE FILLED FOR AN UNEXPIRED TERM BY A MAJORITY VOTE OF THE COMMISSION.

UH, WE'LL START OUT WITH THE CHAIRMAN, UH, OF THE PLAINTIFF COMMISSION.

DO I HAVE A NOMINATION FOR CHAIRMAN THIS YEAR? NOMINATION .

UH, WE ARE NOT REQUIRED TO SECOND, BUT UH, UH, IF THERE IS A SECOND, WE'LL TAKE A SECOND.

UH, ARE THERE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? ALL RIGHT.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF MR. MYERS AS THE CHAIRMAN FOR THE 2024 YEAR.

PLEASE RAISE YOUR HANDS AND SAY, AYE.

UM, CONGRATULATIONS MR. MYERS.

WE HAVE A UNANIMOUS VOTE.

UH, SO THAT WOULD BE NO NAYS.

YOU'VE BEEN ELECTED.

ONE MORE TIME HERE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UH, OUR SECOND NOMINATION WILL BE FOR THE VICE CHAIRMAN.

ARE THERE ANY NOMINATIONS FOR VICE CHAIRMAN? I'M GONNA DO OKAY.

WE HAVE A NOMINATION FOR MR. HENRY.

UM, NO NEED TO ASK FOR A SECOND.

UH, ARE THERE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS HAVING NO OTHER NOMINATIONS? I'LL REQUEST, UH, ALL IN FAVOR AND NOMINATION FOR MR. HENRY AS VICE CHAIRMAN, SAY, AYE.

AND PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.

WE HAVE A UNANIMOUS, UH, NOMINATION AND ELECTION OF MR. HENRY AS OUR VICE CHAIRMAN AGAIN THIS YEAR FOR 2024.

AND LASTLY, UH, DO WE HAVE A NOMINATION FOR OUR CLERK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND SECRETARY? UH, ALLISON MUTTER IS, UH, CURRENTLY OUR ACTING CLERK AND PLANNING COMMISSION.

SECRETARY ATE ALLISON MU.

WE HAVE A NOMINATION FOR MR. HENRY.

ALL IN FAVOR OF, UH, HAVING, UH, MS. MUTTER AS OUR 2024 SECRETARY AND CLERK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

PLEASE SAY AYE.

OR, AND RAISE YOUR HAND.

ALRIGHT, MS. MUTTER, YOU HAVE BEEN ELECTED ONCE MORE.

UM, AND WITH THAT WE WILL ADJOURN, UH, TO THE, UH, DS AND GIVE YOU A COUPLE MINUTES AND, UH, WE'LL START OFF WITH THE ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA AT THAT TIME.

WE BROUGHT HIS PERSONAL DOWN.

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? KAYLEY? NO, THAT ONE SAYS STANLEY ON THE SIDE.

MR. FIVE? YEAH, THAT'S ALWAYS GOOD AND BAD AT THE SAME TIME.

OH, THANK ALL YOU GUYS FOR ANOTHER YEAR.

[IV. Adoption of the Agenda ]

OUR NEXT ITEM WILL BE THE ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA.

MR. CHAIRMAN, MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE AGENDA AS SENATE.

I'LL SECOND.

WE HAVE TWO MINUTES TO ADOPT.

OPPOSED? THE AGENDA IS ADOPTED.

[V. Adoption of the Regular Meeting Minutes]

COULD WE DO THAT AS UNDER ONE MOTION OR ARE WE SEPARATE? OKAY.

ONE MOTION IS FINE UNLESS THERE ANY CORRECTION.

SO MINUTES OF NOVEMBER 9TH AND DECEMBER 13TH.

MR. CHAIRMAN, A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE DECEM NOVEMBER 9TH AND DECEMBER 13TH.

MINUTES AS PRESENTED.

SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

OUR MINUTES ARE ADOPTED.

NEXT ITEM IS PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS.

PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS ARE LIMITED TO ISSUES THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED ON THE MEETING AGENDA.

IT'S INTENDED AS OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO GIVE INPUT ON RELEVANT PLANNING ISSUES NOT INTENDED AS A QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD.

SO IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING NOT ON OUR AGENDA YOU WISH TO DISCUSS, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND TELL US WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND SO YOU NO ONE COME FORWARD.

WE'LL MOVE ON.

CONTINUATION OF PUBLIC HEARINGS.

[VII.A. CUP2023-10-04 – U-Star Transportation Inc. - A request for a conditional use permit for a Motor Freight Terminal. The property is located at (0) Rockland Road and identified on tax map 12A, section 1, block 2, lot 18A. The property is zoned Industrial (I) and located adjacent to the Kelley Industrial Park in the Security Land Company subdivision and in the North River Magisterial District.]

LAST MONTH.

OLD BUSINESS A CUP 20 23 10 0 4 USTAR TRANSPORTATION INCORPORATED.

REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR MOTOR FREIGHT.

TERMINAL PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT ZERO ROCKLAND ROAD IDENTIFIED IN TAX MAP 12 A SECTION ONE BLOCK TWO LOT 18.

A PROPERTY IS OWNED INDUSTRIAL AND LOCATED ADJACENT TO THE KELLY INDUSTRIAL PARK AND THE SECURITY LAND COMPANY SUBDIVISION NORTH RIVER RANCH.

STERILE DISTRICTS.

STAFF COMMENTS PLEASE? UH, YES.

THIS, UH, APPLICATION IS FOR THE, THE MOTOR FREIGHT TERMINAL.

UH, COUNTY STAFF HAS RECEIVED ALL COMMENTS FROM AGENCIES.

UM, THE APPLICANT HAD INITIALLY REQUESTED, UH, A, A POTENTIAL WAIVER FOR, UH, THE USE OF, UH, A TYPE OF GRAVEL OR ASPHALT ROAD MILLINGS FOR THE COVERING OF THE PARKING.

UM, IN THAT, UH, UH, THE REQUEST, UH, COUNTY STAFF DID, UH, MAKE A NOTE AN ADDED, UH, AN ADDITIONAL CONDITION, UH, TO THE CONDITION.

SO I'LL READ THE CONDITIONS OVER, UH, THIS EVENING.

UH, THE APPLICANT'S NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS, AND VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.

NUMBER TWO, A FORMAL SITE PLAN SHALL BE PREPARED APPROVED BY THE WARREN COUNTY PLANNING DEPARTMENT PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A BUILDING PERMIT SHOWING PARKING, LANDSCAPING, SCREENING, FENCING, OUTDOOR LIGHTING PLAN, AND OTHER APPLICABLE ZONING REQUIREMENTS.

NUMBER THREE, ALL OUTDOOR LIGHTING FIXTURES SHALL CONFORM WITH SECTION 180 49 0.2 OF THE WARREN COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE.

NUMBER FOUR, THE SITE SHALL COMPLY WITH THE SECTION 180 49 0.1 OF THE WARREN COUNTY'S ZONING ORDINANCE REGARDING LANDSCAPING AND MEET THE FULL SCREENING REQUIREMENTS OF 180 DASH 18.

AND NUMBER FIVE, THE PARKING AREA SHALL BE COVERED WITH A MATERIAL APPROVED BY PLANNING STAFF DURING THE SITE PLAN REVIEW PROCESS.

UH, THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.

ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED, AND MS. WHITAKER IS HERE FROM GREENWAY ENGINEERING, IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS TO ASK HER.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

AND WITH THAT,

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ANYTHING YOU CARE TO ADD TO MR. LING'S COMMENTS WITH THAT PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN? ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST PLEASE COME FORWARD.

LAST CALL.

DOUBLE CARRYINGS CLOSED.

I KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M THE ONLY ONE ON THIS, BUT I'LL GO AHEAD AND SAY IT.

AS FAR AS NOT PAVING THE PARKING LOT TO ME THAT'S A NON-STARTER.

I MEAN, I REALIZE IT'S EXPENSIVE AND I REALIZE WITH TRUCKS IT'S EVEN MORE EXPENSIVE THAN USUAL 'CAUSE OF THE HEAVIER DEPTH OF ASPHALT YOU HAVE TO DO.

BUT TO ME, THAT'S ONE OF THE COSTS OF DOING BUSINESS.

THAT TOO.

I DID, UH, I DID SEE IN THE VDOT COMMENTS, THEIR LINE OF SIGHT THING THERE.

THEY'RE GONNA LOSE THE PARKING PLACE AND HAVE TO ADJUST SOME STUFF.

HAS THAT ALL BEEN AGREED ON? AND YEAH, THEY WERE ABLE TO GET THE LINE OF SIGHT ONCE THEY, UH, MOVED THE, THE FENCING BACK, UH, A LITTLE BIT AWAY FROM, UH, ROCKLAND ROAD AND WERE ABLE TO GET THAT LINE OF SIGHT IN BOTH DISTANCE, BOTH, UH, WAYS ALONG ROCK AND ROAD.

SO DID, UM, DOES IT SHOW THE ENTIRE PARKING LOT BEING UNPAVED OR, OR IS IT A PORTION OF THE ENTRANCE OR, I DIDN'T, WE, WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS.

I MEAN, PART OF WHAT WE WERE, WE, WE WERE LOOKING AT WITH THEM IS POTENTIALLY JUST HAVING THE, THE TRAFFIC AREAS WHERE THEY'RE PULLING IN, THEY'RE TURNING AROUND AND THEN PARKING, YOU KNOW, UH, WHERE THEY, BUT WHERE THEY PARKED THE VEHICLES THAT WOULD BE GRAVEL.

UM, BUT IN THAT TURNAROUND AREA WHERE THEY'RE, THEY'RE LITERALLY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PULLING IN, THAT IS WHAT WE WOULD LOOK AT BEING HARD SURFACE.

UH, IT'S SOMEWHAT OF A COMPROMISE AGAIN, BUT, UH, IF IT'D BE THE WILL OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO MOVE IT FORWARD TO HAVE IT ALL, UH, UH, ASPHALT, WE, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, ADD THAT AS A CONDITION AND, AND REMOVE CONDITION FIVE.

WELL, THE CONCERN THERE TOO WAS THE RAIN WE HAD YESTERDAY.

WHAT YOU, UNLESS YOU GO REALLY, REALLY THICK WITH GRAVEL, IT'S GONNA SOFTEN UP.

RIGHT? RIGHT.

AND THEN YOU'VE GOT RUING ISSUES AND PULLING, YOU KNOW, WET STONE DUST ONTO THE STREET AND MILLINGS WOULD BE A BETTER CHOICE THAN JUST GRAVEL, I THINK.

BUT, UH, IF, DID THEY GIVE ANY SPECK ON WHAT THEY WANTED TO BUILD IT OUT OF OR HAS THAT BEEN, UH, THEY DID SUGGEST AFTER THE INITIAL, UH, CONTEMPLATION AND, AND, AND REQUEST FOR THE 21 A OR 21 B, THEY, THEY SUBMITTED SOME INFORMATION TO STAFF, UH, WHICH I INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKETS ON THE MILLINGS, UH, WITH A REQUEST THAT POTENTIALLY BEING ABLE TO USE MILLINGS AS, UH, AS A COVER FOR THE, FOR THE PARKING HEARING MILLINGS WOULD BE BETTER.

EXCEPT I WILL SAY ON JURISDICTIONS FURTHER EAST OF US.

, THEY DON'T LIKE THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE STILL PORES AND YOU'RE PULLING A LITTLE BIT OF LIQUID ASPHALT INTO THE GROUNDWATER.

GOTCHA.

I, YOU KNOW, I COULD LIVE WITH IT EITHER WAY.

I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY ASPHALT'S BETTER, I MEAN, THERE'S NO, THE COUNTY CODE DOES STATE IT SHOULD BE HARD SURFACE.

SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, UH, IF YOU WANT, IF YOU WOULD WANT TO SEE IT ASPHALT, UH, I MEAN MAYBE THE POTENTIAL COULD BE WHAT WE LOOK AT IS ASPHALT.

THE, THE MAIN AREA OF IT WHERE THEY'RE, WHERE THEY'RE TURNING IT AROUND, THEY'RE COMING IN AND THEN, UH, POTENTIALLY JUST MILLINGS OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE APPROVED, UH, BY STAFF OR BY PLAINTIFF COMMISSION OR BOARD FOR, UH, FOR THAT PAR, THOSE PARKING AREAS.

AGAIN, IT WOULD BE JUST AN OPTION TO HAVE, BUT, BUT BY CODE THEY WOULD HAVE TO ACTUALLY, UH, ASPHALT IT HARD SURFACE IS WHAT THEY CALL IT.

SO IT'S NOT UP TO US TO ENGINEER IT FOR THE CLIENT AND ALL THAT, BUT THERE IS A THIRD OPTION THAT ONE COULD BE CONSIDERED.

IT'S CALLED CTA, IT'S 21 A WITH 4% CEMENT.

YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S, I FORGET ABOUT THAT.

BUT THAT'S, UM, WE USE IT FOR BASE UNDER AIRPORT RUNWAYS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

IT'S NOT OUTRAGEOUS.

WE SEE IT IN PROBLEM SOILS TOO.

FOR BRIDGING CAPACITY.

YEAH, THAT IS TRUE.

UM, WOULD THAT, DO YOU FEEL THAT THAT WOULD BE A SUFFICIENT SURFACE TREATMENT AGAIN, FOR CONTINUITY THROUGH THE COUNTY? I'D RATHER SEE IT PAVED, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT ENGINEERS WOULD NEED TO SIT DOWN AND ACTUALLY YOU'RE NOT GONNA KNOW THE WHOLE BIT TILL YOU GET INTO IT AND RUN WHAT THEY CALL A CBR TEST, WHICH IS CALIFORNIA BEARING RATIO.

WHEN YOU GET TO SUBGRADE, THEY'LL TAKE SAMPLES AND SOAK IT AND PHYSICALLY TEST THE SOIL, THEN DESIGN THE PAVEMENT TO WITHSTAND IT.

UM, WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO YES, I WOULD.

WOULD

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SORRY.

EXCUSE ME.

GOOD.

I STARTED TO GET YOU RUN ALL THE WAY AROUND THE ROOM A COUPLE TIMES.

, GOOD EVENING.

I'M MARISSA WITH GREENWAY ENGINEERING.

UM, TO ANSWER SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS, A COUPLE OF THE ITEMS THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED WITH MR. WINLAND WERE TO HAVE THE, THE ENTRANCE PAVED TO A CERTAIN POINT, AND THEN IT WAS GRAVEL, WHICH HE, HE INDICATED THAT THAT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL WERE VERY FOND OF.

UM, I WENT BACK TO THE APPLICANT AND WE DISCUSSED SOME DIFFERENT OPTIONS.

WE DISCUSSED, UM, IT'S CALLED RECYCLED ASPHALT.

THAT'S MILLINGS.

SO WE TALKED ABOUT THAT.

UM, HAVING THAT PAVED, LIKE THE DRIVE, THE WHOLE DRIVE BEING PAVED, AND THEN THE PARKING AREAS TO BE GRAVEL.

UM, OR IF WE COULD DO THE RECYCLED ASPHALT, THEN WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PAVE THE WHOLE THING, THE, THE REASONING AND FROM, FROM OUR ENGINEER THAT THEY DID NOT WANT TO DO THE WHOLE THING.

TOPCOAT ASPHALT WAS BECAUSE OF THE WEAR WITH THE WEIGHT OF THE TRACTOR TRAILERS OVER TIME AND HOW IT'S JUST GOING TO, YOU KNOW, RUN INTO AND, AND CRUSH UP THE ASPHALT.

AND THAT'S WHY HE CHOSE TO GO WITH THE STONE TO BEGIN WITH.

BUT WE'RE OPEN TO ANY THOUGHTS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE IN MY COMPANY.

WE, YOU KNOW, DO THE, PURSUE THIS KIND OF WORK AND LIKE TYPICAL IN THIS TYPE OF SITUATION, YOU'LL SEE THE PARKING LOTS WITH A NICE THIN ONE AND IN A MUCH MORE SUBSTANTIAL, HEAVIER PAVING FOR TRUCKS.

SO THAT WHAT YOU JUST MENTIONED DOESN'T HAPPEN.

AND I THINK A LOT OF THAT ALSO, THE COMPACTION THAT'S DONE DURING THE PROCESS IS ANOTHER ITEM THAT HELPS WITH THE, THE INITIAL PAVEMENT AS WELL.

THE BASE THE BASE UNDER IT.

THAT MAKES THIS KIND OF HELPS HOLD THE SURFACE.

IT IS SOME TRUTH TO THAT.

BUT I, I CAN TAKE IT EITHER WAY.

I MEAN, DEFINITELY THOSE ENTRANCES AND STUFF NEED TO BE PAID FOR.

THERE'LL BE DRAGGING MATERIAL OUT.

BUT I, I, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH IT EITHER WAY, BUT IF OUR MINIMUM, OUR MINIMUM CODE'S HARD, IT IS HARD SURFACING.

SO, SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN, AGAIN, THE, THE NATURE OF THE MATERIAL, IF IT, IF IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, NON POROSITY, UH, WE CAN, WE CAN UTILIZE THAT.

AND, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT MR. MYERS, IF YOU PROVIDE US WITH A LITTLE BIT OF THAT INFORMATION, WE CAN YEAH, I DO KNOW THAT RECYCLED ASPHALT IS POROUS.

IT'S NOT GONNA ROLL BACK AS TIGHT AS WHAT IT DID.

UM, THE ONLY, OH, THE ONLY THING TO THIS, IF, IF, IF, IN OTHER WORDS, IF, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO A, SOMETHING TO ALLOW THEM TO GO BELOW OUR COUNTY CODE, UH, ARE WE SETTING A PRECEDENCE, YOU KNOW, IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE GIVE IT TO THEM, YOU KNOW, YOU GET INTO ANOTHER SITUATION OR WE, AND THAT'S JUST A CHALLENGE.

ARE WE KIND OF SETTING A PRECEDENCE THAT WAY? WE'VE ACTUALLY, IN THE PAST WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE GIVEN, UH, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT HOLDERS, UH, AMOUNT OF TIME, SOMETIMES TWO YEARS TO FIVE YEARS WHERE THEY CAN HAVE IT COMPLETELY PAID.

UM, A LOT OF CASES IT'S IN THE CASES OF CHURCHES WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF INITIAL FUNDING.

SO WE MAY ALLOW THEM, GIVE THEM SOME TIME TO HAVE IT HARD SURFACE FOR THOSE AREAS.

UH, FOR PARKING, UM, THIS WOULD, YOU KNOW, IF WE DID CHANGE IT WHERE IT WAS MORE POROUS, IT WAS NOT CONSIDERED HARD SURFACE, THEN IT WOULD SET A PRECEDENT THAT WOULD ACTUALLY MIGHT, UH, CREATE A SITUATION WHERE THE BCA WOULD HAVE TO RULE ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT IF WE WERE ENFORCING THAT.

SO WE WOULD DEFINITELY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ENFORCING THE CODE, UH, AS BEST WE CAN FOR, FOR HARD SERVICE I'D, I'D PROBABLY GO BACK TO OUR MINIMUM CODE THEN.

AND IF WE ARE GOING DO A TIMELINE, I THINK WE'D HAVE TO HAVE A BOND POSTED.

UH, THAT WOULD BE CORRECT.

WE WOULD LOOK AT DOING A BOND.

YOU KNOW, IF THERE WERE COMPLAINTS OR ANYTHING FROM THE SITE TO, TO HAVE KIND OF A CONDITION IN THERE THAT SAYS AT THAT POINT WE HAVE TO GO TO THE NEXT STEP.

I'M NOT DEAD AGAINST THE TIME.

YOU KNOW, THEY COULD GET IN THERE, WORK THE THING SOME, YOU KNOW, SEE HOW BUSY THEY ARE, WHERE THEIR TROUBLE SPOTS IS AND, YOU KNOW, ADJUST THE SURFACE ACCORDING TO THEIR KNEE.

UH, I, I DON'T, I DON'T OPPOSE THE TOP LINE, UH, IN COUNTY THE APPLICANT IF THEY'RE OKAY.

UH, MR. CHAIRMANS IT ALREADY TO ASK PLEASE.

OH, DO, DO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH A, LIKE A TWO YEAR TIMELINE, YOU KNOW, STARTING OUT WITH GRAVEL AND THEN SWITCHING TO A UH, YE YES.

THAT'S SOMETHING MR. WINDLEY AND I HAD DISCUSSED WAS LIKE DOING, UH, A YEARLY INSPECTION OR,

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UM, AND I DISCUSSED THAT.

DO YOU REMEMBER THAT CONVERSATION? YEAH, YEAH.

AND I DISCUSSED THAT WITH THE CLIENT AND THEY WERE, THEY WERE GOOD WITH IT.

AND WE TYPICALLY REVIEW THESE EVERY YEAR AS WE CAN.

AND SO, UH, THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THOSE THINGS WE COULD REACH AND ONE THAT REACH OUT.

I COULD SEE TOO, MAYBE TO HELP THIS A LITTLE BIT, I MEAN, THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT KINDS OF ASPHALT.

THERE'S A BASE WHICH IS PERVIOUS INTERMEDIATE, WHICH IS NON PERVIOUS, AND THEN THE FINAL SURFACE, WHICH IS NON PERVIOUS.

AND WHEN YOU GET INTO THE SECTION THAT TRUCKS ARE GOING TO NEED, THERE'S ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT COMBINATIONS YOU COULD DO.

BUT I WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM TO GET BACK IN THERE DOING LIKE A BASE AND AN INTERMEDIATE SURFACE AND THEN COMING BACK A COUPLE YEARS LATER WHEN MONEY'S A LITTLE BETTER TO DO THE FINAL.

THAT'S, THAT SUITS ME NOW.

IS THAT, IS THAT ASPHALT GONNA BE STRONG ENOUGH TO SUPPORT THE SLEEPERS? THAT'S WHY YOU'RE ON A CBR TEST.

AND THEN AFTER THAT'S RAN, THEN THE ENGINEERING FIRM WILL COME, WILL GO THROUGH AND MAKE THE ASPHALT DESIGN THAT'LL SUPPORT IT.

ANYBODY'S EVER ON THE MOTORCYCLE WHEN IT'S 75 DEGREES UP AND PUT THAT KICKSTAND DOWN AND COME BACK.

BASE ASPHALT WON'T DO THAT.

IT'S GOT GRAVEL IN IT, LIKE THREES IN IT.

I DIDN'T KNOW IF PUT THAT SLEEPER.

THAT'S BECAUSE IN THE, UH, IN THE COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT, YOU PUT DROP A TRAILERS, YOU PUT IT ON THE SLEEPERS IN THE SUMMER WE'LL COME BACK AND IT'S ABOUT AN INCH, HALF INCH TO AN INCH GO OVER WELL LEVEL.

THERE WON'T BE ANY MOTORCYCLES IN THERE.

IT'D BE THERE PARKING.

NO, I MIGHT SLEEPERS ON THE TRAILER.

YEAH, RIGHT.

THERE SHOULD NOT BE ANY, ANY PERMANENT VEHICLES THERE.

IT'S MORE OF A, NOT EVEN A, AN OVERNIGHT, IT'S A TRANSITIONAL PARKING AREA.

OH, IT IS.

SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE STORED.

NO, THEY WON'T, THEY WON'T BE STORED THERE FOR LIKE, YOU KNOW, AT, AT THE MOST 24 HOURS.

IT'S, IT'S JUST A, A TRANSITION TO TO DROP IT OFF WHILE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE WAITING TO GET CALLED TO PICK UP THEIR NEXT, THEIR NEXT FREIGHT OR, OR WHATEVER.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BE SITTING IN THERE FOR LIKE DAYS OR WEEKS OR MONTHS.

SO IT'S JUST DROP OFF A TRAILER HERE AND THEN GO HERE AND HOOK UP TO THE NEXT ONE.

AND UPS DOES HAVE THE EXACT SAME SITUATION IN 80% OF THEIR LOTS GRAVEL.

AND THEY'RE NOT HAVING ANY TROUBLE.

I WILL SAY THAT I KNOW MR. LEUE DID PAVE THE ONE LOT THAT HE HAS OFF KELLY COURT.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MORE THEY'VE EXPANDED THAT.

I THINK THEY, I MEAN I HAVEN'T BEEN DOWN THERE IN A WHILE, BUT IT'S PROBABLY CLOSE TO THREE ACRES OF BEHIND IT THERE.

AND HE HAS GRAVE ADDITIONAL, YOU GOTTA CROSS THE PAVEMENT TO GET OUT.

SO IT GIVES A CHANCE FOR EVERYTHING TO CLEAN UP BEFORE THEY GET OUT INTO A MAIN GRADE SITUATION.

UM, AND THEY SAID WITH THE RUTTING AND THAT TYPE STUFF, IF DO THE NON PAVED SURFACE CEMENT TREATED AGGREGATE'S NOT GONNA RUN UP MUCH.

IT'S DEFINITELY NOT GOING TO BE WORRYING ABOUT A MOTORCYCLE TIPPING OVER.

I LET THE WEIGHT OF THE YEAH, I KNOW THAT.

I KNOW THAT.

BUT AGAIN, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE THAT THE GEOTECHNICAL FIRM NEEDS TO ACTUALLY TEST THE SOIL TO SEE WHAT IT'S UP TO, WHAT IT CAN ACTUALLY HANDLE AND DESIGN A PAVING SECTION ACCORDINGLY.

DESIGN A SURFACE TO SUPPORT THE WEIGHT RATING.

I GET IT.

AND GEOTECH IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD DEFINITELY BE DONE.

I MEAN, THAT HAS TO BE DONE FOR A PARKING LOT.

IS GREENWAY DOING THAT PART OF IT? UM, SORRY ABOUT THAT.

I'M NOT WILL.

WE'LL WE TYPICALLY, THE CIVIL DOESN, I WAS LIKE, NO, THEY'LL, THEY'LL SUBCONTRACT.

WE DON'T DO GEOTECH, BUT WE'LL HIRE SOMEONE THAT WILL DO IT FOR THEM AND THEN WE WILL, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE THE REPORT.

GOTCHA.

IT'S SOMEBODY LIKE AN ECS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, RIGHT? OH YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

LIKE ALMOST LIKE A TRIAD OR SOMETHING.

YEAH, EXACTLY.

COME IN AND, UH, COME IN.

SO AS PART OF THE APPROVAL FOR PLANNING STAFF, UH, MAYBE THAT GEOTECHNICAL REPORT OR THE HEART SURFACING OR THE, THE REPORT WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR US TO REVIEW PRIOR TO APPROVAL PRIOR PROBLEM WITH THAT.

THEY'RE NOT GONNA RUN THE TEST UNTIL THEY GET DOWN TO PAVING SUBGRADE.

THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT TEST UNTIL THEY'RE IN THERE DIGGING IT UP.

SO WHAT WHAT WE NORMALLY DO IS YOU'LL DO A GEOTECH FOR THE INITIAL, AND THEN ONCE IT'S IN, THEN YOU DO DO A, UH, IT'S A SECONDARY TEST THAT YOU DO TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S A COMPACTION TEST REALLY IS WHAT IT IS.

SO YOU DO YOUR INITIAL GI GEOTECH TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON AND THEN YOU DO YOUR COMPACTION AT THE END.

OR YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE ON BEFORE YOU IT OCCUPANCY PROPERTY.

IT'S PROBABLY A LIKE CUT AND FIELD IN THERE, BUT IT'D BE SOMETHING TO GET IT FLAT.

, IT'S NOT A HUGE LIFT TO FEEL ANYTHING.

HARD SURFACE, YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY ALL THE COUNTY CODE SAYS IS HARD SURFACE.

SO I WOULD, I WOULD NOTE THAT THIS CONVERSATION IS PRETTY TECHNICAL AND UH, OF COURSE WE'VE GOT THIS CONDITION BEFORE YOU IN THE, IN THE STAFF REPORT, BUT IF YOU DECIDE TO GO A DIFFERENT ROUTE AND REQUIRE SOME SORT OF

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SO, UM, THAT, THAT IS A BROAD TERM THAT DOESN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ALL OF THE DIFFERENT DISTINCTIONS THAT YOU'RE MAKING.

SO IF YOU HAVE A STRONG OPINION, WE PROBABLY NEED TO CRAFT A, A NEW OPINION TO, TO TAKE THAT INTO A YEAH, I REALIZE IT'S WHY IT SAYS THAT, BUT I DON'T, I WOULDN'T SEE THE APPLICANT COMING IN AND PUTTING IN TWO INCHES OF ASPHALT JUST FOR IT TO CRUMBLE UP JUST TO MEET THE COUNTY CODE.

I, I THINK YOU'RE FINE.

JUST LEAVING MINIMUM CODE A HARD SURFACE AND THEN IF IT TEARS UP, IT'LL BE UP TO THEM.

YOU, IF THEY DON'T DO A GOOD JOB, IT'D BE UP TO THEM TO FIX IT.

WE CAN'T, UH, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T MANDATE SOMETHING TO PROTECT THEM.

THEY NEED TO PROTECT OURSELVES OUTTA THAT.

AND, AND AS FAR AS A TIMELINE FOR COMPLETION OF THAT IS, UH, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING I ADDED, BUT, UM, WOULD YOU FEEL THAT MAYBE WE SHOULD DO A, AN ADDED CONDITION THAT IT SHOULD BE COMPLETED WITHIN A ONE OR TWO YEAR TIME PERIOD? UH, OR SIX MONTHS? I MEAN, WHATEVER THE CASE MIGHT BE.

I MEAN, TYPICALLY WHAT WE DO IS ONCE THEY GET EVERY, GET THEIR PERMITS FOR STORM WATER AND ENS AND EVERYTHING, THEN WE WILL, YOU KNOW, ZONING, WE WILL LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN AT THAT TIME.

AND, UM, I I, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'LL HELP THAT, IF THAT'LL HELP THE APPLICANT GET ESTABLISHED, YOU KNOW, FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT, I GOT, I GOT NO PROBLEM WITH GIVING THEM SOME TIME.

I TO, TO GET IT AT A HUNDRED PERCENT.

I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT EITHER.

THE ONLY THING IS I WOULDN'T WANT TO LIMIT IT TO LIKE SIX MONTHS BECAUSE IT DEPENDS WHEN THEY GET THEIR OCCUPANCY PERMIT, WE COULD BE REQUIRING THEM TO PAVE WHEN IT'S OUTSIDE THE VDOT SPEC ON TEMPERATURE.

I'D SAY I'D BE HAPPY WITH A YEAR, BUT I'M FINE WITH TWO.

I THINK WITH MR. LEUE, WE ACTUALLY GAVE HIM, I WANNA SAY WE GAVE HIM FIVE YEARS, BUT HE WANTED TO GET IT DONE.

SO HE DID IT IN A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF, SO, MM-HMM.

SO THAT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE A BAD TIMELINE.

TWO YEAR TIMELINE TO COMPLETE I THINK TWO YEARS HARD SURFACE TWO.

I THINK TWO YEARS WOULD BE THE, AND THE EXPENSIVE ASPHALT A LOT IS RELATED TO THE PRICE OF PETROLEUM GOING DOWN RIGHT NOW.

FOR NOW.

YEAH, FOR NOW.

BUT THE PRICE OF LIQUID ASPHALT ISN'T.

I'D BE GLAD TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THIS SO SOMEBODY CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO WORD IT FOR ME.

, SORRY ABOUT THAT.

UH, HOW ABOUT IF WE ADD CONDITION SIX AS THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE PARKING AREA'S HARD SURFACE WITHIN A TWO YEAR TIME LIMIT TO MEET THE COUNTY CODE REQUIREMENTS? DO I GOTTA SAY THAT OR JUST SAY THAT WE'RE ADDING ? I I SAID IT FOR THE RECORD.

YOU JUST WITH THE ADDED AMENDED IT.

THAT'S MY, THAT'S THAT'S FINE.

UH, BUT WE ALSO, YOU WANTED TO INCLUDE A BONDING REQUIREMENT, CORRECT? IS THAT, IS THAT STANDARD, IS THAT PART OF THE COUNTY REQUIREMENTS? NOT A BAD IDEA.

NOT A BAD IDEA.

WITH A, WITH A BOND IN, IN THE AMOUNT SUSPICION TO COVER THE COST OF, OF THE PAPER.

YES SIR.

ALRIGHT, I'M GETTING THERE.

MY, UH, WINDOW SHUT HERE.

SO WE'RE I I THINK I GOT IT THIS TIME.

WELL.

ALRIGHT, AM I AT THE RIGHT ONE HERE? PLAN COMMISSION PPLICANT SUPERVISOR FOR THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS PERMIT.

ALRIGHT, I'LL GIVE IT A SHOT HERE.

I MOVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

NO, THAT DONE WENT TOO FAR.

WE NEED TO GET THAT IN THERE FIRST.

I MOVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE ADDED CONDITIONS AND BOND REQUIREMENT TO COVER COST TO FINISH PROJECT OF HARD SERVICING AND RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OF USED OUR TRANSPORTATION INCORPORATED FOR MOTOR FREIGHT TERMINAL WITH THE CONDITIONS, UH, WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED.

I GUESS THERE, I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S TERRIBLE, ISN'T IT? HAS REC MAYBE HAS RECOMMENDED, RECOMMENDED AND AMENDED RECOMMENDED AS AMENDED WITH THE BONDING REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS TIME AND TWO YEAR TIME PERIOD.

OKAY, WHAT WORDS METHOD FOR THE BOARD? THANK PLEASE, PLEASE.

HE WOULDN'T WANNA SECOND THIS.

ONE SECOND.

WOW.

SORRY GUYS.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.

OLD BUSINESS ITEM, CUP 20 23 0 10 0 6 GREEN

OPPOSED? I HAVE, IT'LL BE FORWARDED ONTO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

I'M ANTICIPATING IN ABOUT A MONTH.

UH, YES, THAT WILL BE NEXT MONTH ACTUALLY THE 6TH OF FEBRUARY.

ALRIGHT, COOL.

OUR NEXT

[VII.B. CUP2023-10-06 – Green Valley Baptist Church - A request for a conditional use permit for a Church. The property is located at 150 Ridgemont Road and identified on tax map 11, lot 16B. The property is zoned Agricultural (A) and located in the Nancy P. Smith subdivision and in the North River Magisterial District.]

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VALLEY BAPTIST CHURCH, REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A CHURCH PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT ONE 50 RIDGEMONT ROAD IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 11 LOT 16 B PROPERTY IS OWNED AGRICULTURAL LOCATED IN THE NANCY P. SMITH SUBDIVISION IN THE NORTH RIVER MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.

OKAY, AGAIN, THIS APPLICATION, UH, CAME FORWARD TO YOU, UM, LA LAST MONTH WITH THE REQUEST OF GREEN VALLEY BAPTIST CHURCH.

UH, UH, THEY WOULD BE TAKING OVER THE PROPERTY, FORMERLY KNOWN, WELL CURRENTLY THE SUNFLOWER COTTAGE AND, AND BACKYARD BACK BACK BREWERY.

BREWERY.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

UM, COUNTY STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS AND I'LL JUST MENTION THAT THE APPLICANT DID SUBMIT ALL OF THE ENGINEERING, UH, DATA THAT WAS REQUIRED BY THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS DEPARTMENT FOR THE STRUCTURE TO BE CONVERTED TO A CHURCH.

IT WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT AS AN AG EXEMPT STRUCTURE AND SO, UH, HE HAD ENGINEERS, THE APPLICANT HAD ENGINEERS COME OUT AND THEY, HE SUBMITTED ALL OF THEIR DOCUMENTATION THAT WE NEEDED TO HAVE AND THAT, UH, MR. BEAM WILL NEED TO HAVE FOR THE CONVERSION OF THAT STRUCTURE.

SO WE DO HAVE THAT IN HAND.

UM, UH, THE STAFF IS, IS RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.

UH, THE CHAPEL OCCUPANCY SHALL NOT EXCEED THE NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS DETERMINED BY THE VIRGINIA UNIFORM STATEWIDE BUILDING CODE AND VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH APPROVAL FOR AN ONSITE SEWAGE DISPOSAL SYSTEM.

MAXIMUM DESIGN FLOW OF 860 GALLONS PER DAY, WHICHEVER IS FEWEST.

NUMBER TWO, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARRANT ALL VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS, AND VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.

NUMBER THREE, THE APPLICANT SHALL SUBMIT A WATER QUALITY REPORT BY A CERTIFIED AGENCY ON AN ANNUAL BASIS TO BOTH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT PLANNING DEPARTMENT FOR TESTING OF E COLINE AND CALIFORNIA BACTERIA.

NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT SHALL SUBMIT AN ILLUSTRATIVE SITE PLAN SHOWING PARCEL BOUNDARIES, BUILDING FOOTPRINTS, BUILDING USES SETBACKS FROM BUILDINGS TO NEAREST PROPERTY BOUNDARIES, INGRESS EGRESS INTERNAL E ACCESS ROADS, OUTDOOR LIGHTING PARKING, INCLUDING HANDICAPPED ACCESSIBLE PARKING AND LIGHTING LOCATIONS TO THE COUNTY PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF ZONING.

NUMBER FIVE, THE APPLICANT SHALL MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF WARREN COUNTY CODE 180 15 FOR AN OFF STREET PARKING FOR A CHURCH REQUIRING ONE PARKING SPACE PER FOUR SEATS AND CODE 180 40.

NUMBER SIX, THIS POSITION WITH THE A, UH, THE APPLICANT SHOP EXCUSE PARKING AREA SHALL BE HARD COURT, COUNTY COUNTY WITH SUCH WORK BEING COMPLETED WITHIN TWO YEARS FROM THE DATE OF CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS GRANTED, THE DEADLINE MAY BE EXTENDED AT THE DISCRETION OF COUNTY STAFF UPON DETERMINATION THAT GOOD CAUSE EXISTS FOR SUCH AN EXTENSION AND A SUBMISSION BY THE OWNER OF A BOND AND IN WHICH THE AMOUNT OF ESTIMATED COST OF THE COMPLETION OF SUCH WORK, UH, THAT WAS DRAFTED BY MR. UH, OR MR. JORDAN HERE , MR. BOWMAN.

OKAY, WE SHOULD READ THAT INTO, UH, NUMBER, NUMBER SEVEN.

THE APPLICANT SHALL MEET ALL PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS FOR, UH, CONVERSION FROM AN AGRICULTURAL EXEMPT STRUCTURE TO A CHURCH BASED ON THE LATEST ADOPTED ADDITION OF THIS UNIFORM STATEWIDE BUILDING CODE.

AND NUMBER EIGHT AT THE TIME THAT THE USES PERMITTED PURSUANT TO FOLLOWING THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS.

UH, THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS HAVE BEEN DIS CONTINUED FOR A PERIOD OF TWO YEARS.

SUCH, UH, CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS SHALL BE AUTOMATICALLY TERMINATED, UH, ACCORDING TO COUNTY CODE SECTION 180 63 H TWO A WITHOUT FURTHER ACTION BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OR PLANNING COMMISSION.

THESE ARE, UH, CUP 2004 DASH 10 DASH OH TWO FOR COMMERCIAL NURSERY AND GARDEN CENTER, 2012 DASH 12 DASH THREE FOR A MICRO BREWERY AND BREW PUB AND 2019 DASH OH 9 0 2 EVENTS ASSOCIATED WITH MICROBREWERY AND AGRITOURISM.

UH, THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED AND ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED.

UH, UH, PASTOR TIM IS HERE THIS EVENING.

UH, HE'S THE APPLICANT ON BEHALF OF, UH, THE, UH, CHURCH.

AND, UH, I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

ANYTHING TO ADD SIR? ALSO, FOR OUR RECORDS OF THE LEGALITY,

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PASTOR TIM KOFF, GREEN VALLEY BAPTIST CHURCH, 1838 CHAPEL ROAD, MIDDLETOWN, VIRGINIA 2 2 6 4 5.

AND, UH, WE, AS, UH, MR. WENDLING SAID WE DID GET OUR FEASIBILITY STUDY PAPERWORK BACK.

UH, WE REMAINED VERY OPTIMISTIC AND, UH, LOOK FORWARD TO, UH, TO JUST REALLY GETTING IN THERE AND GROWING AND, UH, UH, WORKING WITH THE COUNTY TO, TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.

BASICALLY.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY, UNLESS Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING, IF WE DO, WE'LL CALL YOU UP.

THANK YOU SO MUCH SIR.

WITH THAT, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.

ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND TELL US YOUR THOUGHTS.

SEE NO ONE COME FORWARD.

THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.

THIS SEEMS PRETTY MUCH IN ORDER TO ME.

IT DOES TO ME TOO.

YEAH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

GO FOR IT.

YOUR PLEASE.

I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST OF GREEN VALLEY BAPTIST CHURCH FOR A CHURCH WITH THE CONDITIONS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.

IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.

ALRIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.

WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT MONTH.

THANK YOU, SIR.

THE BOARD SUPERVISOR WILL SEE YOU NEXT MONTH.

OLD BUSINESS ITEM, CUP 20 23 11 0 1 JORGE LOBO, 97 JUDY, LLC.

THIRD

[VII.C. CUP2023-11-01 - Jorge Lobo – 97 Judy, LLC - A request for a conditional use permit for a Short-term Tourist Rental. The property is located at 97 Judy Lane and identified on tax map 15E, section 5, block 5, lot 549. The property is zoned Residential-One (R-1) and located in the Mountain Lake section of the Shenandoah Farms subdivision and in the Shenandoah Magisterial District.]

REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 97 JUDY LANE IDENTIFIED TAX MAP 15 E SECTION FIVE BLOCK FIVE LOT 5 49.

PROPERTY IS ZONED R ONE RESIDENTIAL LOCATED IN MOUNTAIN LAKE SECTION OF SHENANDOAH FARM SUBDIVISION AND IN THE SHENANDOAH MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.

UM, SO WE DID INTRODUCE THIS APPLICATION AT THE LAST MEETING, SO I'LL KEEP IT BRIEF.

UM, JUST AS A REMINDER, THERE'S A HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT FOR THE SEPTIC SYSTEM ON THE PROPERTY LIMITING THE OCCUPANCY TO FOUR OCCUPANTS.

THE, UH, APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED THEIR PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN AND IT DOES MEET THE, UH, MINIMUM SETBACK REQUIREMENT OF A HUNDRED FEET.

THE CLOSEST DWELLING IS 180 FEET TO THE WEST ACROSS JUDY LANE.

UH, SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND READ THROUGH THE CONDITIONS AND LET YOU KNOW WHAT'S DIFFERENT FOR THE SUBSEQUENT SHORT TERM RENTAL APPLICATIONS WE HAVE.

UH, SO CONDITION NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.

NUMBER TWO, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED THE SYSTEM CAPACITY AS DETERMINED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT PER WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION 180 DASH 56.4 B.

THE CERTIFICATE OF ZONING SHALL ONLY BE ISSUED WITH APPROVED HEALTH DEPARTMENT RECORDS.

NUMBER THREE, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE WELL WATER TESTED ANNUALLY FOR E COLI AND COLIFORM BACTERIA AND A COPY OF THE RESULTS SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING AND HEALTH DEPARTMENTS.

NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM INSPECTED ANNUALLY BY A STATE LICENSE INSPECTOR AND A COPY OF THE RESULTS SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING AND HEALTH DEPARTMENTS.

THE SYSTEM SHALL ALSO BE SERVICED EVERY FIVE YEARS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND A COPY OF THE SERVICE INVOICE SHALL BE PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

NUMBER FIVE, THE DISCHARGE OF FIREARMS AND HUNTING ON THE PROPERTY BY GUESTS SHALL BE PROHIBITED.

NUMBER SIX, THE USE OF ALL TERRAIN VEHICLES BY GUESTS ON THE PROPERTY AND WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION SHALL BE PROHIBITED.

AND NUMBER SEVEN, OUTDOOR BURNING AND USE OF FIREWORKS BY GUESTS SHALL BE PROHIBITED.

THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED ADJACENT PROPERTY HONOR IS NOTIFIED AND THE APPLICANT HAS A REPRESENTATIVE HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

DOES REPRESENTATIVE HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? NO.

WITH THAT, THIS PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.

ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST? DO WE HAVE ANYONE SIGN UP? OKAY.

STILL, ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK? PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.

TAKE A MOTION.

PLEASE BELIEVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST OF GEORGIA LOBO 97 G-D-L-L-C FOR A FIRST RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.

THEY SECOND.

SECOND.

OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT TO BE FOR OR NOT.

[VII.D. CUP2023-11-02 – Vihari Vanga - A request for a conditional use permit for a Short-term Tourist Rental. The property is located at 56 Sunset Village Road and identified on tax map 27B, section 2, lot 102A1. The property is zoned Residential-One (R-1) and located in the Junewood Estates Subdivision and in the Fork Magisterial District. ]

LAST OLD BUSINESS ITEM.

APOLOGIES IN ADVANCE IF I BUTCHER THIS NAME.

CUP 20 23 11 0 2 BAHARI VANGA REQUEST FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL PROPERTY'S LOCATED AT 56 SUNSET VILLAGE ROAD IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 27 B SECTION TWO LOT 1 0 2 A ONE PROPERTY LOCATED R ONE RESIDENTIAL LOCATED IN THE JUNE WOOD ESTATE SUBDIVISION IN THE FORK MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.

AGAIN, I'LL KEEP THIS ONE BRIEF.

UM, JUST A SMALL UPDATE TO THE

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STAFF REPORT.

THERE ARE ACTUALLY NOW THREE ACTIVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS FOR SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTALS IN THE JUNE WOOD ESTATE SUBDIVISION.

THIS PROPERTY, UH, THE DWELLING DOES NOT MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT OF 100 FEET FROM NEIGHBORING DWELLINGS.

UH, THE DWELLING ON THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST IS ONLY 38 FEET FROM THE DWELLING AND THE DWELLING ON THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST IS 94 FEET FROM THE DWELLING.

THE DWELLING THAT IS 94 FEET, I WILL MENTION IS ONE OF THE ONES THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED FOR, UH, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL.

AND THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED LETTERS FROM BOTH NEIGHBORS, UH, INDICATING THAT THEY'RE IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION.

AND FOR THE, UH, OCCUPANCY, IT IS LIMITED TO FIVE.

YEAH, FIVE OCCUPANTS BY THE CONDITIONAL PERMIT ISSUED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND THEY HAVE PROVIDED THEIR PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN.

UM, IT IS THE STANDARD RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS THAT WE HEARD FOR THE, THE LAST APPLICATION, UH, WITH AN EXCEPTION OF CONDITION NUMBER EIGHT.

SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO WAIVE THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT, UH, READS A WAIVER TO THE REQUIRED SETBACK OF 100 FEET TO NEIGHBORING DWELLING SHALL BE GRANTED FOR THE EXISTING 38 FOOT AND 94 FOOT SETBACKS TO THE DWELLINGS EAST AND WEST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.

ADJACENT PROPERTY IS NOTIFIED AND, UH, THE APPLICANT IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

ANYTHING YOU WISH TO ADD? NOT ALL.

WITH THAT, WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST PUBLIC HEARINGS CLOSED? I HAVE TO SAY NORMALLY 38 FEET WOULD GIVE ME HEARTBURN, BUT IF THE NEIGHBOR'S OKAY WITH IT, I'M OKAY WITH IT.

THE LETTER IN HERE? YEAH, THE, UH, THAT PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD'S PROBABLY GOING THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY THE ONES IN THE BACK NEAR THE RIVER.

I LOOK FOR 'EM ALL BE LIKE EVENTUALLY.

YEAH, I'M, WELL, I'M FINE WITH IT WITH THE, UH, LETTERS OF SUPPORT.

WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION UNLESS ANYBODY HAS SOMETHING ELSE MAKE A MOTION, THEN I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR THE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST VIA IRA VANGA.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF ALL SIR? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.

YOU'LL BE FORWARDED ON ALSO.

ONE PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT AS A NEW BUSINESS CUP 20 23 12 0 1 GREG KELLY REQUEST FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 8 86 HIGH RIDGE ROAD IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 39 C BLOCK H LOT 14 PROPERTY ZONED R ONE RESIDENTIAL LOCATED IN LAKEFRONT ROYAL SUBDIVISION OF SOUTH RIVER MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.

THAT'S IT FOR OUR OLD BUSINESS

[VIII.A. CUP2023-12-01 – Greg Kelley - A request for a conditional use permit for a Short-Term Tourist Rental. The property is located at 886 Highridge Road and identified on tax map 39C, block H, lot 14. The property is zoned Residential One (R-1) and located in the Lake Front Royal subdivision and in the South River Magisterial District. ]

THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM CHOICE RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY HE AND HIS BROTHER PURCHASED IN OCTOBER OF 2021.

THE OWNER WOULD LIKE TO MAKE HIS PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR SHORT-TERM LODGING FOR VISITORS OF THE SHENANDOAH VALLEY, SEEKING TO ENJOY NATURE IN THE SURROUNDING MOUNTAINS IN A CLEAN, SAFE, AND COMFORTABLE ENVIRONMENT.

THE APPLICANT WILL MANAGE THE PROPERTY PERSONALLY WITH THE ASSISTANCE FROM A LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGER.

AS MENTIONED, THIS PROPERTY IS IN THE LAKEFRONT ROYAL SUBDIVISION.

WE DO HAVE ONE ACTIVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL IN, IN THIS SUBDIVISION, UH, AT THIS TIME.

UH, AND THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT CONDITIONAL PERMIT, WHICH ALLOWS A MAXIMUM OF EIGHT OCCUPANTS FOR FIVE BEDROOM DWELLING.

THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED A, UH, THEIR PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN.

UH, COMMENTS WERE REQUESTED FROM THE LAKEFRONT ROYAL POA.

UH, WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANYTHING IN RESPONSE TO THAT REQUEST, AND THE DWELLING DOES MEET THE MINIMUM REQUIRED, UH, SETBACK OF 100 FEET.

IT'S LOCATED 101 FEET FROM THE DWELLING TO THE NORTHWEST.

I TOOK LIKE FOUR MEASUREMENTS JUST TO MAKE SURE, UH, AND IT IS THE STANDARD CONDITIONS WE'RE RECOMMENDING WITHOUT THE CONDITION NUMBER EIGHT SINCE THERE'S NO SETBACK, UH, WAIVER REQUIRED FOR THIS.

UM, BUT THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

ANYTHING TO ADD? UH, NO.

IF THAT PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN, ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST YOU GUYS ARE EASY TONIGHT.

PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.

TAKE A MOTION.

PLEASE MOVE THAT PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST OF GREG KELLY FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.

I'LL SECOND.

NEW BUSINESS CUP 20 24 0 1 0 5 PLAIN SMITH VENTURES, LLC REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NEXT ITEM,

[IX.A. CUP2024-01-05 Plein Smith Ventures, LLC – A request for a conditional use permit for a Contractor Storage Yard. The property is located at (0) Baugh Drive and identified on tax map 5C, lot 6. The property is zoned Industrial (I) and located in the Stephens Industrial Park and the North River Magisterial District.]

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USE PERMIT FOR A CONTRACTOR STORAGE YARD PROPERTIES LOCATED AT ZERO BA DRIVE IDENTIFIED IN TAX MAP FIVE C LOT SIX PROPERTY ZONED INDUSTRIAL LOCATED IN THE STEVENS INDUSTRIAL PARK AND IN THE NORTH RIVER MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.

MR. WINLAND? YES.

UH, THE APPLICANT IS, UH, REQUESTING THIS ON BEHALF OF, UH, A SITE DEVELOPMENT COMPANY, TOTAL DEVELOPMENT SOLUTIONS, LLC ON THE PROPERTY, ALONG WITH THE LANDSCAPING AND HORTICULTURAL SERVICES COMPANY, KT ENTERPRISES INCORPORATED, WHICH ARE COMMONLY OWNED.

THE PROPERTIES MULTIPLE MULTI-USE COMPLEX WILL CONSIST OF BOTH OPERATIONS OFFICE AND SHOP FACILITIES, AS WELL AS THEIR RESPECTIVE STORAGE YARDS FOR EQUIPMENT, VEHICLES AND MATERIALS.

WARREN COUNTY ZONING ADMINISTRATOR HAS CONFIRMED THAT SUCH AN OUTDOOR STORAGE ISN'T ALLOWED ACCESSORY COMPONENT OF THE LANDSCAPING AND HORTICULTURAL SERVICES USE, WHICH IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.

HOWEVER, THE OUTDOOR STORAGE FOR SITE DEVELOPMENT OPERATION HAS BEEN DEEMED A YARD FOR STORAGE OF COAL LUMBER BUILDING MATERIALS OR CONTRACTOR EQUIPMENT, WHICH IS IDENTIFIED AS A CONDITIONAL USE IN THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.

THE APPLICANT, THEREFORE IS REQUESTING THIS APPROVAL, UH, AND, AND HAS SUBMITTED THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST FOR THE CONTRACTOR STORAGE YARD, UH, FOR TDSS SITE DEVELOPMENT EQUIPMENT AND MATERIALS AS PART OF THE PROPOSED MULTI-USE COMPLEX ON THE PROPERTY.

UM, THE APPLICANT'S, UH, REPRESENTATIVE MR. CHRIS MOON FROM GREENWAY ENGINEERING IS HERE THIS EVENING TO GIVE FURTHER DETAILS ON THIS REQUEST.

AND WE HAVE A CONCEPT PLAN AND, UH, A MAP OF THE PROPERTY HERE ON THE SCREEN.

BEFORE YOU BEGIN, SIR, I THINK ONE I NEED TO CLARIFY A LITTLE TOTAL DEVELOPMENT SOLUTIONS IS ONE OF MY COMPANY'S COMPETITORS, BUT I DO FEEL THAT I CAN BE FAIR AND HONEST AND VOTE NON-BIASED IN THIS ISSUE.

VERY GOOD.

GOOD.

DO WE HAVE THE FLICKER? IT DOESN'T.

IS IT POSSIBLE TO ZOOM OUT OR SCROLL DOWN A LITTLE BIT FOR IT? UH, I'LL TELL YOU MORE DETAILS, UH, WHEN I CAN SHOW THEM TO YOU, BUT, UH, I AM CHRIS MO WITH GREENWAY ENGINEERING, UH, REPRESENTING LY SMITH VENTURES, UH, LLC WITH THIS APPLICATION.

AND, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S DEFINITELY BETTER BECAUSE I THINK WHAT THIS IS SHOWING YOU, I THINK MR. WENDLING PROVIDED A REALLY THOROUGH EXPLANATION OF OF WHY WE'RE HERE.

UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S ABOUT A 23 ACRE SITE ALTOGETHER.

UH, THE STEVENS INDUSTRIAL PARK, UH, AND A PORTION OF THE SITE, OF COURSE, FOR TDS, UH, IS CLASSIFIED AS A CONTRACTOR STORAGE YARD, AND THAT'S ROUGHLY THREE ACRES OF THE 23 ACRE, UH, PROPERTY WILL BE IN THAT STORAGE YARD.

AND THAT IS THE, UH, LIGHTER GRAY HATCH AREA THAT YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW.

YEP, EXACTLY.

THANKS, CHASE.

THAT'S PERFECT.

IT'S KINDA LIKE VANNA WHITE.

WITH THE STORAGE YARD COMPONENT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT WILL HAVE, YOU KNOW, A SECURITY FENCE, AN EIGHT FOOT SECURITY FENCE AROUND IT.

, BUT A LITTLE DIFFERENT.

UH, ALSO, UH, INCLUDED WITH THE, UH, STORAGE FACILITY, UH, ARE OF COURSE THE SHOP AND OFFICE FACILITIES AND ASSOCIATED PARKING, UH, THAT WOULD BE FOR TDS AND THAT'S IN THE DARKER GRAY, UH, JUST BELOW, UH, THE, UM, THE STORAGE YARD FACILITY.

SO, AND THAT OF COURSE WOULD BE WHAT IS CLOSEST TO BA DRIVE.

UH, THE BALANCE OF THE SITE, UH, AS, UH, AS MR. WENDLING NOTED, UH, WOULD BE OCCUPIED BY, UH, KT ENTERPRISES AND THEIR LANDSCAPING AND HORTICULTURAL SERVICES USES.

SO THEY WILL HAVE ALSO, YOU KNOW, OUTDOOR STORAGE, UH, YOU KNOW, MATERIALS AS WELL AS THE LANDSCAPING EQUIPMENT.

AND THEY WILL ALSO HAVE, UH, A SHOP AND, AND OFFICE FACILITY AND ASSOCIATED PARKING, YOU KNOW, ON THAT PORTION OF THE SITE.

AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT'S DETAILED ON THE BALANCE OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY.

UM, THE, THE PROPERTY ITSELF, UH, IS REALLY IDEALLY SITUATED, UH, FOR THIS TYPE OF USE.

WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, IT'S KIND OF RIGHT IN THE MIDST OF EXISTING INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AS FUTURE, UH, PLANNED AND ZONED INDUSTRIAL AREAS.

UH, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T REALLY PICK IT UP ON, ON THIS IMAGE, BUT ON BOTH SIDES YOU HAVE, UH, FERGUSON'S OPERATION AS WELL AS, UH, CISCO'S AND BOTH OF THEIR STORAGE OUTDOOR STORAGE AREAS ACTUALLY ADJOIN THIS PROPERTY, UM, ON EITHER SIDES OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS.

SO FOR CISCO, IT'S THEIR TRAILER DROP AREA.

AND FOR FERGUSON, IT'S A KIND OF MISCELLANEOUS STORAGE THERE.

SO, UH, THERE'S DEFINITELY A COMPATIBILITY OF THIS USE.

UM, WITH THE OTHER INDUSTRIAL USES THAT HAVE ESTABLISHED ON ADJOINING PROPERTIES AND ITS LOCATION ON BALL DRIVE, KIND OF IN ON THE INTERIOR OF THE INDUSTRIAL PARK, UH, CERTAINLY ENSURES THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE WON'T BE ANY NEGATIVE IMPACTS TO THE, TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC OR SURROUNDING COMMUNITY, UH, THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

UH, JUST ONE OTHER POINT OF, YOU KNOW, FOR DETAIL

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IT WILL BE, UH, INCLUDING A, AN OPAQUE FABRIC SCREEN, YOU KNOW, AS A PART OF THAT.

SO WHILE I DON'T KNOW THAT THE, THE VISUAL IMPACT TO THE OTHER STORAGE YARDS IS GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT CRITICAL, NEVERTHELESS, IT WILL STILL BE SCREENED TO A CERTAIN DEGREE, UH, ON SITE AS WELL.

UH, BUT I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

WE'RE CERTAINLY EAGER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS APPLICATION AND, AND BRING, UH, THE TDS AND KT FACILITIES HERE TO WARREN COUNTY.

AND, UH, AS WE MOVE FORWARD, CERTAINLY HOPE FOR YOUR FAVORABLE CONSIDERATION.

AND I'M ALSO JOINED BY, UH, SCOTT KLEIN AND ERIC KLEIN WITH, UH, WITH PLY SMITH VENTURES THAT CAN HELP ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

MM-HMM, WITH THAT WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THIS A PUBLIC HEARING OR THIS IS, THIS IS JUST PURELY A PRESENTATION.

PRESENTATION, OKAY.

FOR NEW, AS NEW BUSINESS ALL, THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT FOR ANY MOTIONS OR ANYTHING.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, AT THIS TIME, IT, UH, THAT WOULD BE GOOD.

WE CAN GO OVER THOSE AND THEN, UH, UH, NEXT MONTH, WE'LL HAVE, NEXT MONTH, WE'LL, THE AUTHORIZATION ADVERTISE FOR, FOR PUBLIC HEARING.

WE'RE JUST GETTING A CRACK AT WE'RE JUST, JUST A, JUST A WET YOUR APPETITE HERE.

EXACTLY.

ALTHOUGH WHEN YOU MENTION PUBLIC HEARING, YOU PROBABLY GOT EXCITED.

HERE, LIKE, WHOA, THIS IS REALLY GONNA HAPPEN WITH THE LANDSCAPING FIRM.

ARE THEY GONNA BE STORING PLANTS THERE? UH, THERE WILL BE ON THE, THE BACK PORTION OF THE SITE.

THAT WOULD BE A, A WHOLESALE NURSERY AREA.

SO THERE WILL BE PLANTS ON SITE.

YES, SIR.

IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION FOR, UH, TREE SAFE IN AREAS WHERE THEY WOULD NOT BE DOWN ? I THINK THERE IS, UH, THE AREA THAT YOU CAN SEE KIND OF UP IN THE NORTH, UH, NORTHEASTERN CORNER, YOU SEE THE KIND OF DELINEATED STREAM, UH, THAT RUNS UP ALONG THE SIDE.

THERE IS AN AREA, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, AT THE, UH, CONCEPT PLAN THAT WILL LIKELY BE UNDISTURBED.

AND SO ANY OF THE EXISTING VEGETATION ALONG THAT, THAT NATURAL AREA WOULD BE RETAINED.

YOU KNOW, THERE, SO, UH, THERE WILL BE SOME THAT'LL BE A PART OF THAT SITE DEVELOPMENT.

I CAN MAKE A COMMENT, PLEASE.

SURE.

UM, WELL COME, COME TO THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE.

NO, YOU'RE FINE.

YOU'RE FINE.

I DON'T WANNA MISREPRESENT ANYTHING BECAUSE THE AREA THAT THE TREE SAVED WOULD BE DI MINIS COMPARED TO THE REST OF THE SITE.

UH, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I CAN ASSURE YOU, AND PERHAPS YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH OUR LOCATION IN GAINESVILLE.

YES, I AM.

AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE TYPE OF, UH, BUILDINGS AND LANDSCAPE WE DO AND EVERYTHING ELSE MM-HMM.

AND I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT WE'LL, WE'LL BE PLANTING ABOVE CODE.

UH, AS FAR AS THE FRONTAGE IS CONCERNED, UH, WE ARE VERY, VERY, UH, COGNIZANT AND ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT OUR APPEARANCES.

SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL MAKE A GOOD NEIGHBOR IN THAT FROM THAT STANDPOINT.

BUT THE AREAS OF TREE SAVED WILL BE LIMITED.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE AS WE'RE CUTTING EVERYTHING DOWN TO BUILD MORE, IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHERE CAN WE SAVE THE TREE HERE AND THERE.

I, HEY, I'M A TREE LOVER.

I, WHEN I CUT, WHEN THEY CUT 'EM DOWN, I WANNA SEE 'EM PLANTED AGAIN.

IT'S TO MY BEST INTEREST.

, I SAW HIM HAD THE FLOOD PLANE, PLUS, UH, HE GETS RETENTION.

WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT AREA TO THE, TO THE RIGHT THERE, EDA WILL CONTINUE TO OWN THAT, AND THAT'S STORM WAR MANAGEMENT, BUT THAT'S TOTALLY TREE THERE.

AND SO IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE IF THEY CAN KEEP IT THAT WAY, CONSIDERING STORM WAR MANAGEMENT REGULATIONS AND UPKEEP AND WHAT HAVE YOU.

BUT IT'S REALLY QUITE, QUITE A NICE LITTLE SPOT RIGHT THERE.

SO DRINK A LOT OF WATER.

I I MIGHT JUST MENTION ALSO, WE DID RECEIVE COMMENTS FROM THE TOWN, UH, PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, UH, AS AN INDUSTRIAL SITE.

UH, THEY CAN GET, UH, PUBLIC SEWER AND WATER.

UM, SO, UH, THE COMMENT SAID THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS SPECIFICALLY AT THIS TIME, BUT I DON'T FORESEE ANY ISSUES WITH THE TOWN PROVIDING PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER TO THIS SITE.

THE BUILDINGS BESIDE 'EM GOT PUBLIC WATER.

THAT'S CORRECT.

YEAH, YEAH.

IT'S, IT'S IN THAT PILE.

THE AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH THE TOWN TO PROVIDE THAT TYPE OF BUSINESS IS NOT GONNA HAVE A HIGH WATER USAGE FOR US.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

GONNA BE SUPER CONCERNED.

SO YEAH.

I, I CAN'T SEE THE TOWN.

AND IN FACT, THE, THE LINES RUN RIGHT ACROSS THE FRONT OF THE SITE, SO ACCESS CONNECTIVITY WILL NOT BE A CONCERN.

AND I THINK THERE MAJOR WATER USE WOULD BE IF THEY'RE FILL UP THE FLUSH TRUCK BEFORE THE HEAD TONORTHERN VIRGINIA.

PLAN FOR THAT, UH, PARTICULAR SITE.

AND THE SITE ADJACENT TO IT THAT IS ALSO OWNED BY THE EDA, UH, IS A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT POND AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

IT'S FOR A COMMON PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT OF THAT, THOSE SITES AND IN THAT AREA.

SO, UH, THE EDA WILL BE WORKING WITH THOSE, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS ADJACENT TO THAT TO FORMULATE A, A MAINTENANCE

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AND THAT'LL BE SOMETHING THAT, UH, EDA WILL WORK WITH THEM ON.

I'M SORRY, I'M COMFORTABLE ADVERTISING.

YEAH, I AGREE.

I'M GOOD WITH IT.

SO I MEAN, SEE NEXT MONTH YEAH, WE CAN, UH, I MEAN, I'M WAITING REALLY ON, ON VDOT COMMENTS.

THAT'S REALLY, I WANTED TO GET ALL MY COMMENTS TOGETHER BEFORE WE AUTHORIZE ADVERTISEMENT.

UM, IF WE, YOU KNOW, UM, IF WE WANNA DO THAT NOW, I MEAN, IF YOU WANT, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND AUTHORIZE ADVERTISEMENT AND MR. WENDLING POTENTIALLY CAN CHECK WITH VDOT AND FIND OUT WHEN THEY'LL HAVE THEIR COMMENTS.

AND IF IT APPEARS THAT WE CAN GET ALL THAT TOGETHER FOR YOU FOR THE NEXT MEETING, WE CAN DO THAT.

AND IF THAT APPEARS UNLIKELY, THEN YOU'VE ALREADY AUTHORIZED IT, BUT STAFF WOULD JUST EXERCISE DISCRETION OF MAKING A MEETING LATER.

I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.

I LIKE THAT.

GOOD.

MAKE A MOTION THEN.

PLEASE MAKE A MOTION FOR AUTHORIZATION TO ADVERTISE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

NO, I'M READING THE WRONG OATH.

THAT'S NOT REALLY A MOTION.

OH.

MAKE A MOTION TO ADVERTISE THIS FOR PUBLIC HEARING PER SECOND.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

THE NEXT ITEM OF CONSENT AGENDA TO AUTHOR, AUTHORIZATION TO ADVERTISE, MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT CONSENT AGENDA OR ACCEPT THE CONSENT OR, OR TO AUTHORIZE THE ADVERTISEMENT OF THE CONSENT AGENDA.

HOPEFULLY YOU SEE YOU NEXT MONTH ALSO.

THANK YOU, JOHN.

CHRIS,

[X. Consent Agenda]

IS THAT WHAT, THAT WAY THAT WORKS? I THINK EITHER ONE OF THOSE IS FINE.

WELL, IT SAYS BESIDE IT SAYS CONSENT AGENDA.

IT SAYS AUTHORIZED TO ADVERTISE.

SO I'M ASSUMING WE HAVE TO YEAH, THESE ARE ALL YEAH.

AUTHORIZATION TO ADVERTISE.

ALL SECOND.

COMMISSION MATTERS, UH, MR. WENDLING, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN 2023.

I'LL ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF ACCEPTING CONSENT AGENDA, PLEASE SAY, AYE.

I'M USED TO A MICROPHONE ON MY RIGHT SIDE.

[XI. Commission Matters ]

SCHEDULE ANNUAL REPORTS AND PLANNING RELATED ITEMS. UH, THE COMP PLAN SCHEDULE IS A LITTLE AMBITIOUS.

UH, WE'VE BEEN KIND OF BEATING THIS ONE FOR, SINCE 2018.

WE DID THE STRATEGIC PLAN AND THE SURVEY AND EVERYTHING.

UM, I, I HAVE, UM, BEEN, WELL, I SAY ON MONDAY I PARTICIPATED IN A, UH, PLANNING EXERCISE MEETING IN THE ROCKLAND AREA THAT WAS, UH, UH, HOSTED BY THE SHENDO ALLIANCE AND CITIZENS OF THE COMMUNITY.

UM, AND MS. LOGAN FROM THE REGIONAL COMMISSION AND MR. PETTY WERE THERE ALSO.

UM, SO WE ARE DOING SOME COMMUNITY OUTREACH IN REGARD TO THAT.

UH, THAT WAS, UH, REQUEST BY THE ROCKLAND COMMUNITY.

UM, SO WE GOT SOME VERY GOOD INFORMATION ON THAT.

AND WE WILL, UH, INCLUDE THAT IN SOME OF THE REVIEW, UH, IN SOME OF THE LANGUAGE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

UM, THE REGIONAL COMMISSION LAST YEAR DID ASSIST US WITH DOING A LOT OF THE DATA MINING FOR THE DEMOGRAPHICS AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

AND SO WE WILL BE, UH, PUTTING THAT INTO THE PLAN THAT WE, WE SHOWED YOU WE'RE GONNA USE THEIR NUMBERS.

UH, THEY MIGHT BE A YEAR OLD, BUT, UH, ANYTHING THAT I CAN UPDATE, I, I WILL TYPICALLY UNEMPLOYMENT NUMBERS, YOU CAN GET THOSE FAIRLY EASILY.

SO WE'LL, WE'LL DO THAT.

UM, AND SO, UH, AS I FIND TIME, UM, I'LL BE WORKING WITH COUNTY STAFF AND, AND, UH, MS. MUTTER WILL HELPING US, UH, HELP MYSELF ON PUTTING THAT TOGETHER.

UM, I HOPE WE HAVE A DRAFT FOR YOU TO REVIEW BY APRIL.

UM, WE'LL SEE HOW THAT GOES.

UM, AND IT COULD JUST BE AN INITIAL DRAFT, UM, FOR REVIEW.

UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION ANNUAL REPORT.

UH, WE ARE WELL ON ITS WAY.

UH, LIKE TO THANK STAFF AND OUR, UM, AND, UH, MR. KU, WELL, HE WAS WITH US, BUT, UH, ANYWAY, HE DID ASSIST US WITH THAT.

AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE TO COMPLETING THAT.

UH, CHASE COMPLETED THE, UH, FLOODPLAIN, UM, SECTION OF IT THIS WEEK.

UH, SO WE SHOULD, WE WILL HAVE SOMETHING FOR YOU NEXT MONTH TO FORWARD TO THE BOARD IN FEBRUARY.

UM, I DID PARTICIPATE

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N VDOT, UH, TRANSPORTATION AND PLANNING AND TECHNICAL COMMITTEE AND THERE WAS SOME PRETTY GOOD INFORMATION THAT CAME OUT OF THAT FOR DRPT GRANTS AND TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE.

AND IF I HAVEN'T SENT THAT TO YOU, I'LL SEND YOU THAT POWERPOINT IF YOU WANT TO JUST TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND KIND OF SEE WHAT WE DISCUSSED.

UM, I THINK FOR NOW, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

AGAIN, I APPRECIATE MY STAFF, YOU KNOW, UH, JUST DOING A GREAT JOB OVER THE HOLIDAYS.

IT WAS, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGE.

WE HAD PEOPLE IN AND OUT FOR, UH, LEAVE AND WHATNOT AND I JUST APPRECIATE THEM KIND OF STEPPING UP AND HANDLING THINGS WHILE I WAS AWAY ALSO.

ANY COMMISSION MEMBERS? YOU GOT ANYTHING? WILL, UH, ATTENDED THE SAME MEETING ON MONDAY? UM, THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY GOOD INPUT, UH, FROM THE COMMUNITY.

IT'S GONNA BE TWO FOLLOW UP MEETINGS, UH, ONE IN FEBRUARY, I THINK ONE IN APRIL.

SO PLAN ON ATTENDING THOSE AS WELL.

AND, UM, HAPPY TO BE BACK, UH, FOR ANOTHER YEAR WITH YOU GUYS.

I'LL AGREE WITH THAT.

AND YOU TOO, SCOTT.

GLAD TO SEE YOU WITH US.

YOU GOT ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD? NO.

I GOT NOTHING THIS MONTH.

YOU, WELL, I MISSED, UH, LAST MONTH'S MEETING.

I'M, UH, HATE TO HATE.

I HAD TO DO IT, BUT, UH, THERE'S STILL COVID OUT THERE.

MM-HMM MM-HMM, .

I REALLY, UH, UM, WENT TO THE DOCTOR.

OF COURSE I HAD, UH, COVID A COUPLE YEARS AGO AND WAS VERY ILL WITH IT.

UH, HOSPITALIZED THREE DAYS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO I HAPPENED TO BE AT A REGULAR CHECKUP AND FEELING BAD AND TESTING ME AND I WAS LIKE, GOSH, I THOUGHT WE WERE KIND OF OVER THIS BY NOW.

YOU KNOW, I WAS, UM, AND I DON'T DO VERY GOOD WITH THE COVID STUFF, BUT I WAS, UH, I GOT SOME DIFFERENT TREATMENTS AND STUFF NOW, AND, AND THEY DID TWO YEARS AGO.

AND IT SEEMED TO, TO, IT'S NOT AS DEADLY, UM, THANKFULLY FOR ME 'CAUSE I DIDN'T, I WAS STILL PRETTY SICK FOR ABOUT THREE DAYS, UH, INSTEAD OF THE WEEKS I WAS LAST TIME.

BUT, UH, I'M JUST GRATEFUL TO BE, UH, OVER THE HUMP AND BACK TO NORMAL.

AND I WASN'T IN THE HOSPITAL THIS TIME.

SO, UH, BUT IT, BUT IT'S STILL A, IT'S STILL A REAL THING.

I, I WAS STILL REALLY SICK, SO I'M HOPING, UH, HOPING THAT GETS LESS AND NOBODY HAS TO ENDURE THAT AND GLAD TO BE BACK FOR ANOTHER OR TWO.

YOU'LL, YOU'LL NOTE THAT WE PUT HAND CLEANSER UP IN THE PODIUM FOR YOU.

ALL THE PLEASE USE, USE LIBERALLY .

I'LL, I'LL SAY GLAD IT HAVE YOU BACK TOO.

AND I BLAZED THE TRAIL BECAUSE I HAD IT THE MONTH BEFORE WHEN I WASN'T HERE.

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

I THOUGHT WE WAS SO, I REALLY DID.

I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, WE BEYOND THAT, BUT NO, WE WERE NOT.

NOW MY WIFE HAD IT AND I DIDN'T NEED TO GET THE BOOSTER ANYHOW, AND I DID THREE DAYS AFTER THE BOOSTER I HAD.

NICE.

IT TAKES ABOUT TWO WEEKS TO KICK IN.

WELL, BUT HAILEY, YOU GOT ANYTHING? I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.

NO, BUT I'M GLAD YOU GUYS ARE ALL BACK.

SO, , THAT'S, THAT'S TWO I WAS THINKING.

I I DO, I DO HEAR THAT QUAIL HOLLOW FORMS HONEY IS A GOOD ELIXIR.

TO MIX WITH YOUR TEA TO, UH, KEEP YOU WELL.

SO I NEED TO BRING SOME, I JUST NEED TO LIKE, I USED TO CARRY IT IN MY CAR WITH ME ALL THE TIME, BUT IT'S SO COLD WHENEVER I PASS IT OFF, IT'S LIKE HARD 'CAUSE IT WARMS UP.

NO, I, I GOT SOME FROM IT'S GOOD STUFF.

CHASE, YOU GOT ANYTHING? YEAH, JUST A COUPLE THINGS.

OUR ZONING OFFICER DAVID BURKE, HAS ACCEPTED A POSITION, UH, NEW JOB, UH, OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTY.

UH, AND THE PLAN IS TO HIRE A PLANNER INSTEAD OF A ZONING OFFICER.

UM, SO WE'LL KIND OF BE REBALANCING THINGS, BUT I WILL BE DO TAKING OVER ENFORCEMENT AND UH, ALL OF THAT FOR THE ZONING ORDINANCE.

AND I BELIEVE WE'LL PROBABLY MAKE THE PLANNER A DEPUTY ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.

THE PLANNER WILL ASSIST IN, IN PLANNING IN, UH, THE ENFORCEMENT, YOU KNOW, AND WE'LL AT LEAST TRY AND HOPEFULLY GET SOME WITH EITHER SOME ZONING EXPERIENCE OR WE WILL, WE'LL GET 'EM THROUGH THE ZONING OFFICERS TRAINING AND UH, GET THEM TRAINED UP FOR THAT.

AND ON A PERSONAL NOTE, I HAD THE PLEASURE OF GOING DOWN TO SAN ANTONIO TO SEE MY LITTLE BROTHER'S A SCHOOL GRADUATION.

HE, UH, GRADUATED NAVY BOOTCAMP BACK IN, UH, SEP, UH, OCTOBER.

NOW, UM, I COULD TELL YOU I WILL PROBABLY NOT BE GOING BACK TO SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS.

UM, JUST A LOT OF TRAFFIC, BUT I DID GET TO SEE THE ALAMO, SO THAT WAS, THAT'S PRETTY COOL.

THAT'S COOL.

UM, WELL THAT'S ALL I HAD FOR THIS MONTH.

ANY FLOODPLAIN MANAGEMENT AREAS.

THAT'S COOL.

THE SIDEBAR.

I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS DOING MY PLANNING COMMISSION COURSES, YOU KNOW HOW WE HAVE ALL THE DIFFERENT ZONING.

I WAS TOLD THAT AUSTIN HAS NO ZONING.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY EVEN HAVE

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I MEAN IT, YEAH.