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24 HORN COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER.
[ Call to Order]
OUR AGENDA TONIGHT, PLEASE RISE AS YOU'RE ABLE TO REMOVE YOUR HATS FROM THE NATIONAL ANTHEM.A NATIONAL CUP PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY AND JUSTICE PROSPER.
[Ill. Adoption of the Agenda]
NEXT ITEM IS ADOPTION OF OUR AGENDA FOR TONIGHT.UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE ADOPT THE AGENDA AS PRESENTED.
I'LL SECOND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
OPPOSED? OUR AGENDA IS ADOPTED.
[IV. Adoption of the Regular Meeting Minutes]
THE ADOPTION OF THE REGULAR MEETING MINUTES OF JANUARY 10TH, 2024.MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
OPPOSED? OUR MINUTES ARE ADOPTED.
NEXT ITEM IS PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS.
PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS ARE LIMITED TO ISSUES THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE AGENDA INTENDED AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO GIVE INPUT ON RELEVANT PLANNING ISSUES NOT INTENDED AS A QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD.
SO IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING ON YOUR MIND THAT'S NOT ON OUR AGENDA AND YOU'D LIKE TO BRING, STATE IT, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND TELL US WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
WE HAVE A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, RULES AND THIS TYPE THING FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS, AND THEY'RE POSTED ON THE POST THERE.
I WON'T BOTHER TO READ ALL OF 'EM TO YOU, BUT WHAT I WILL REMIND YOU OF IS YOUR TIME AT THE PODIUM IS TIMED AND IT'S THREE MINUTES.
SO PLEASE TRY NOT TO GO OVER THAT IF YOU DO A LITTLE BIT.
BUT DON'T BE HERE ALL NIGHT FOR US.
[A. CUP2024-01-05 - Plein Smith Ventures, LLC - A request for a conditional use permit for a Contractor Storage Yard. The property is located at (O) Baugh Drive and identified on tax map 5C, lot 6. The property is zoned Industrial (l) and located in the Stephens Industrial Park and the North River Magisterial District. - Matt Wendling, Planning Director]
HEARING TONIGHT.CUP 20 24 0 1 0 5 PLY SMITH VENTURES, LLC.
REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR CONTRACTOR STORAGE YARD PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT ZERO BALL DRIVE IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP FIVE C LOT SIX PROPERTY IS OWNED INDUSTRIAL, LOCATED IN THE STEVENS INDUSTRIAL PARK AND THE NORTH RIVER MAG MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.
UH, YES, THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A REQUEST ON BEHALF OF BOTH TOTAL DEVELOPMENT, UH, SOLUTIONS, LLC AND A AND KT ENTERPRISES INCORPORATED.
UH, THEY PROVIDE SERVICES FOR LANDSCAPING AND DEVELOPMENT AND, UH, FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THE CONTRACTOR STORAGE YARD.
THE PROPOSED USE IS THE STORAGE OF AREAS FOR VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT RELATED TO THE BUSINESSES.
UH, AN AREA THE TEMPORARY STORAGE OF LANDSCAPING PRODUCTS FOR OFFSITE JOBS AND BUILDINGS TO BE USED FOR THE RESPECTIVE OFFICES AND SHOP FACILITIES.
SOME OF THIS, UH, USE, UH, INVOLVED WITH THE SITE IS A BUYRIGHT USE FOR LANDSCAPING AND HORTICULTURAL SERVICES.
SO THIS IS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE CONTRACTOR STORAGE YARD FOR STORAGE OF EQUIPMENT.
UM, THE, UH, THE COMP PLAN LIST, UH, THAT, UH, THIS PROPERTY IS LO NOT LOCATED ACTUALLY WITHIN THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT.
SO IT'S NOT SUBJECT TO THOSE RULES AND REGULATIONS, BUT COUNTY STAFF, UH, DOES PLAN TO USE THIS AS A GUIDE FOR DEVELOPMENT.
AND THE, UM, UH, RESPECTIVE APPLICANTS HAVE REQUEST HAVE AGREED TO THAT.
UM, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, UH, FOR THE, UH, PERMIT.
NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS, WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, AND VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY APPLICATIONS, APPLICABLE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.
NUMBER TWO, A SITE PLAN SHALL BE PREPARED AND APPROVED BY THE WARREN COUNTY PLANNING DEPARTMENT FOR, UH, PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A BUILDING PERMIT AND SHOWING THE BUILDING'S INGRESS AND EGRESS PARKING AREAS, OUTDOOR LIGHTING, LANDSCAPING SCREENING, STORAGE AREAS, TRASH RECEPTACLES, SIGNAGE, AND OTHER APPLICABLE ZONING REQUIREMENTS.
NUMBER THREE, ALL MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT SHALL BE SHIELDED AND SCREENED FROM PUBLIC VIEW AND DESIGNED TO BE PERCEIVED AS AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE BUILDING.
NUMBER FOUR, ALL LIGHT FIXTURES SHALL BE SHIELDED WITH DARK SKY COMPLIANT FIXTURES AND COMPLY WITH WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION 180 49 0.2 FOR LIGHTING.
AND NUMBER FIVE, THE SITE PLAN SHALL COMPLY WITH SECTION 180 49 0.1 OF WARREN COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE REGARDING LANDSCAPING.
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SIX, OUTDOOR STORAGE AREAS SHALL BE COMPLETELY SCREENED FROM VIEW OF BALL DRIVE WITH FENCING APPROVED BY COUNTY STAFF.SUCH FENCING SHALL BE A MINIMUM OF SIX FEET IN HEIGHT AND MAY CONSIST OF A CHAIN LINK WITH OPAQUE FABRIC COVERING, COVERING SLATS IN SIMILAR ELEMENTS TO ACHIEVE VISUAL SCREENING.
OUTDOOR STORAGE AREAS SHALL ALSO COMPLY WITH THE APPLICABLE SCREENING AND BUFFERING REQUIREMENTS OF CODE SECTION 180 18 OF THE WARREN COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE.
UM, THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.
ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED.
THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE THEIR, UH, ENGINEER HERE FROM GREENWAY ENGINEERING, MR. UH, UM, CHRISTOPHER MON, EXCUSE ME,
AND, UH, HE'D LIKE TO, UH, PRESENT, UH, SOME OF THE CONCEPT PLAN AT THIS TIME.
AND WHILE YOU'RE UP THERE, I HAVE A PUBLIC STATEMENT I NEED TO MAKE.
TOTAL DEVELOPMENT SOLUTIONS IS A DIRECT COMPETITOR TO MY EMPLOYER, BUT I FEEL THAT I CAN VOTE ON THIS HONEST AND FAIRLY AND WITHOUT BIAS.
SO I WILL PARTICIPATE IN VOTING.
MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, AS MR. WENDLING SAID, I'M CHRIS MOON, I'M WITH GREENWAY ENGINEERING.
I'M REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT FOR THE CUP ALY SMITH VENTURES, LLC.
AS YOU ALL MAY RECALL, UH, WE WERE WITH YOU ON THE, AT THE JANUARY 10TH MEETING TO GIVE YOU AN INTRODUCTORY OVERVIEW.
UH, NOTHING SUBSTANTIVE, UH, HAS CHANGED WITH THE APPLICATION, BUT THERE ARE A FEW ITEMS THAT I WANTED TO REITERATE, UH, OR HIGHLIGHT JUST FOR THE RECORD, AND OBVIOUSLY WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE THIS EVENING.
UM, AS MR. WENDLING POINTED OUT, UH, MUCH OF THE SITE IS, UH, IS ACTUALLY TO BE DEDICATED FOR USE PART AS PART OF THE LANDSCAPE AND IN HORTICULTURAL SERVICES USE OF, UH, KT ENTERPRISES, UH, IN THIS CUP APPLICATION AS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE, UH, CONTRACTOR SERVICE STORAGE, UH, FACILITY FOR, UH, THE TDS COMPONENT OF THE SITE.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE, UH, THE SCREEN, BASICALLY THE AREA THAT'LL BE FOCUSED ON ON THE TDS OPERATION IS HIGHLIGHTED IN GRAY.
AND, UH, THE, UM, AREA THAT WILL BE THE, THE STORAGE AREA ITSELF IS HIGHLIGHTED IN RED, AND THAT'S APPROXIMATELY THREE ACRES OF THE SITE.
UH, THE BALANCE OF THE TDS COMPONENT, UH, WILL CONSIST OF THE OFFICE AND SHOP FACILITIES AS WELL AS THE ASSOCIATED PARKING FOR THAT USE.
SO IN TOTAL, UH, IT'S JUST UNDER FIVE ACRES OF, UH, OF A 23 AND A HALF ACRE OR SO SITE, UH, WILL BE AS PART OF THE TDS UH, OPERATION.
YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE PROPERTIES THAT THAT SURROUND, UH, THE, THE SITE ARE ZONED INDUSTRIALLY AND MANY OF WHICH ARE ALREADY DEVELOPED INDUSTRIALLY.
SO WITHIN THE, THE INDUSTRIAL PARK, YOU KNOW, THIS IS REALLY AN IDEAL LOCATION, YOU KNOW, FOR THIS USE TO BE LOCATED.
UH, ON THE SCREEN YOU CAN SEE, UH, AN ILLUSTRATIVE REPRESENTATION OF THE FACILITY ON THE PROPERTY.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT IS ADJOINED IN ALONG TWO SIDES BY STORAGE FACILITIES OR STORAGE OPERATIONS OF ADJOINING INDUSTRIAL USES, YOU KNOW, TO THE ONE SIDE, UH, IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO OUR PROPOSED STORAGE AREA, UH, IS THE, UH, TRUCK, UH, TRAILER, UH, PARKING AND, UH, SITE AREA FOR THE CISCO FACILITY.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, ADJOINING THE, UH, ASSOCIATED WHOLESALE NURSERY AREA IS AN OUTDOOR STORAGE YARD FOR THE FERGUSON OPERATION NEXT DOOR.
SO AGAIN, AS WE EMPHASIZE BACK ON THE 10TH AND AS HIGHLIGHTED IN THE APPLICATION MATERIALS, YOU KNOW, THIS USE IS, YOU KNOW, FUNDAMENTALLY COMPATIBLE AND CONSISTENT WITH EVERYTHING THAT SURROUNDS IT.
SO IT REALLY IS A GREAT LOCATION.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE DISCUSSED A LITTLE BIT, UH, AT THE, THE MEETING ON THE 10TH WAS, YOU KNOW, THE DESIGN INTENT FOR THIS SITE, AND IN PARTICULAR, UH, THE TRACK RECORD THAT THE APPLICANT HAS WITH HIGH QUALITY SITE DESIGN AND, AND MANAGEMENT OF THEIR FACILITIES.
THIS IS AN AERIAL IMAGE OF THEIR CURRENT FACILITY IN BRISTOW.
THIS IS THE OPERATION THAT WE'LL BE RELOCATING HERE TO WARREN COUNTY.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, HAS VERY SIMILAR, UM, COMPONENTS TO WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED WITH THIS APPLICATION.
THE, THE COMBINATION, UM, OFFICE AND SHOP FACILITY BUILDINGS, AS WELL AS A, SOME STORAGE YARDS, UH, WHERE YOU SEE SOME VEHICLES AND OTHER EQUIPMENT PARKED AND, UH, A WHOLESALE NURSERY COMPONENT AS WELL.
SO WHILE THE SITE CONFIGURATIONS ARE OBVIOUSLY DIFFERENT, THIS DOES GIVE YOU A PRETTY GOOD IMPRESSION OF, OF HOW THE, THE SITE LAYOUT, THE SITE DESIGN AND IT'S, UH, OVERALL MAINTENANCE, UM, WILL BE UNDERTAKEN HERE, UH, AT BO DRIVE AS WELL.
ANOTHER IMAGE, THIS IS, UH, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE, THE SHOP OFFICE BUILDINGS AT THE, UH, CURRENT BRISTOW FACILITY.
AND REALLY THIS IS TO, TO INDICATE THE DESIGN INTENT FOR WHAT WILL BE BUILT AT THE BO DRIVE SITE.
VERY SIMILAR BUILDING CONFIGURATION, BUT THERE MAY BE OBVIOUSLY SOME SUBTLE DIFFERENCES IN, IN THE ULTIMATE DESIGN.
BUT THE IDEA, YOU KNOW, WE WANTED TO SHARE IS WHAT THE APPLICANT
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DOES INTEND, UH, FOR THIS USE.AND SIMILARLY, THIS IS A, UH, JUST PART OF THE, ONE OF THE SHOP, UH, AREAS, UM, AT THE EXISTING FACILITY.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS THE ILLUSTRATIVE REPRESENTATION, UH, OF THE USE.
UH, WE WOULD SIMPLY ASK FOR YOUR FAVORABLE CONSIDERATION OF, UH, THE APPLICATION TONIGHT AND YOUR RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE, UH, REGARDING THE APPLICATION.
AND, UH, MR. SCOTT KLEIN IS ALSO HERE WITH, WITH PLY SMITH VENTURES.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.
WITH THAT, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
DO ANYONE SIGN UP TO SPEAK TONIGHT? OKAY.
ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST? SEE NO ONE COME FORWARD.
I ACTUALLY THINK IT'S A GOOD USE FOR THAT LOCATION AND I TOTALLY AGREE.
UM, I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WITH PLY SMITH VENTURES LLC FOR CONTRACTOR STORAGE YARD, WITH THE CONDITIONS RECOMMENDED AS BY STAFF.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
A OPPOSED, THIS UNANIMOUS WILL BE FORWARDED ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROXIMATELY A MONTH FROM NOW.
[B. Z2023-08-02 - Short-Term Tourist Rentals - Warren County Planning Staff - A request to amend Chapter 180 of the Warren County Code to amend 5180-56.4 to modify the supplementary regulations for Short-Term Tourist Rentals. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator]
Z 20 23 0 8 0 2, SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTALS, WARREN COUNTY PLANNING STAFF REQUEST TO AMEND CHAPTER 180 OF THE WARREN COUNTY CODE TO AMEND SUBSECTION 180 DASH 56.4 TO MODIFY THE SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS FOR SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTALS.ON WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 13TH, 2023, MR. HENRY MOVED FORWARD THIS REQUEST TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS RECOMMENDING DENIAL.
THE MOTION WAS SECONDED BY, UH, MR. ES AND APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
IN THEIR DISCUSSION, THE PLANNING COMMISSION SUPPORTED ALL PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS, EXCEPT THE PROPOSED OPTIONS TO CHANGE THE 100 FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT FROM NEIGHBORING DWELLING PLANNING COMMISSION DID NOT AGREE WITH MAKING THE 100 FOOT SETBACK AND ABSOLUTE REQUIREMENT THAT CANNOT BE WAIVED.
THEY ALSO DISAGREED WITH REMOVING THE 100 FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT ENTIRELY.
PLANNING COMMISSIONING INDICATED PREFERENCE FOR KEEPING THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT AS A SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATION THAT CAN BE WAIVED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
FOLLOWING THIS RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL, UH, THE PLANNING STAFF AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HELD SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS ITEM AT THE OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER, 2023 WORK SESSIONS.
AND FROM THESE DISCUSSIONS, PLANNING STAFF RECOGNIZES THE BOARD DOES ALSO DOES NOT SUPPORT MAKING THE 100 FOOT SETBACK AN ABSOLUTE REQUIREMENT THAT CAN'T BE WAIVED NOR REMOVING THE 100 FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT ENTIRELY.
AND SO ON TUESDAY, DECEMBER 12TH, 2023, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MOVED TO SEND THIS TEXT AMENDMENT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR FURTHER REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION, INCLUDING IN YOUR MEETING PACKETS AS A REVISED ORDINANCE AMENDING AMENDMENT, LEAVING 100 FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT AS A SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATION WHILE CAPTURING ALL THE REQUESTED CHANGES TO THE SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS.
UM, IN THIS TIMEFRAME, WE HAVE ALSO, UH, HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH THE WARREN COUNTY COALITION OF COMMUNITY ASSOCIATIONS.
THEY'LL CORRECT THAT IF I SAID IT WRONG.
UH, AND WE'VE BEEN, UH, ACTIVELY DISCUSSING, UM, SOME DIFFERENT PROCEDURAL CHANGES, UH, THAT WE CAN, CAN MAKE TO, UH, KIND OF KEEP EVERYONE HAPPY AND ALSO JUST IMPROVE OUR PROCESS AND COMMUNICATION.
UH, AND THEY DO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM SKYLAND ESTATES AND HIGH UP HERE TODAY.
I'M SURE THEY WILL SPEAK WITH YOU.
UH, OTHER THAN THAT, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I AM AVAILABLE.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.
ANYBODY GOT ANYTHING? YES, WE DO.
BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEAR, OH, THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD, I DIDN'T SEE IT HERE UNLESS I MISSED IT, IS THE, IF THE APPLICANT DOES NOT REACH OUT TO THE ASSOCIATIONS AS IT STATED HERE, DOES IT STILL, CAN THEY STILL BRING IT? HOW IS THAT CHECK AND BALANCE? YES.
SO THE REQUIREMENT, AND OF COURSE THE ATTACHMENT'S NOT WORKING, WHY BRING THE FOLDER?
SO UNDER SUBSECTION, I, UM, SO BASICALLY IT, THE CURRENT CODE SAYS THAT, UH, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT MUST RECEIVE A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL FROM THE HOA TO OPERATE THE SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL.
WE'VE NEVER REALLY OPERATED LIKE THAT.
WE HAVE SIMPLY TAKEN THE APPLICATION AND REQUESTED COMMENTS FROM THE HOAS
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OR POAS.UH, AND SO WE ARE UP REQUESTING THAT THIS BE UPDATED TO REFLECT OUR ACTUAL PROCESS THAT WE FOLLOW AND ALSO TO SPECIFY, UM, WHAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED, UH, IN THEIR COMMENTS, UH, AS FAR AS IF THEY HAVE ANY RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS, WHICH EXPRESSLY PROHIBIT THE USE.
SO YOU'RE, SO THE STAFF IS STILL GONNA BE REACHING OUT TO THE HOA YES.
I READ IT JUST THE OPPOSITE HERE SOMEWHERE.
WITH THAT PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN ABLE AND SIGN UP? YES, WE HAD SOMEBODY SIGN UP.
HELL, THANK YOU ALL FOR LETTING ME, LETTING US BE HERE THIS EVENING.
FIRST, I'D LIKE TO COMPLIMENT PLANNING.
UH, SIR, WE NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS BEFORE THIS.
I'M CURRENTLY NOT ONLY A RESIDENT, ALSO THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE HIGH KNOB OWNERS ASSOCIATION.
I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO YOUR PLANNING GROUP AND INCLUDING US IN THESE DISCUSSIONS, UH, ABOUT SHORT TERM RENTALS.
THIS HAS BEEN AN AREA THAT HAS BEEN GREAT OF GREAT CONCERN, AND IN FACT, A NEW GROUP HAS BEEN FORMED IN WARREN COUNTY THAT, THAT SORT OF TRIGGERED TO SAY, WHAT CAN WE DO TO WORK TOGETHER AS A TEAM TO TRY TO GET THIS SORT OF INFORMATION PUT FORWARD AND ADDRESS THESE TYPES OF ISSUES.
AND THIS WAS THE WARREN COUNTY COALITION OF COMMUNITY ASSOCIATIONS, WHICH NOW REPRESENTS OVER 3000 PROPERTY OWNERS BECAUSE OF THE MULTIPLE DISTRICTS THAT HAVE GOTTEN INVOLVED.
SO THE NICE THING IS, HAS LED TO MANY POSITIVE THINGS.
UM, THE QUESTION THAT CAME UP THAT YOU WROTE ABOUT COVENANTS, THINGS OF THIS SORT, WE DID ASK, UH, THIS IS PART OF THE GIVE AND TAKE THAT IT BE A REQUIREMENT.
AND THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THAT, THAT THE APPLICANT MUST APPLY.
BUT UNFORTUNATELY, UH, WHERE WE ENDED UP WITH WAS A COMPROMISE THAT SAYS THE COUNTY WILL DO THAT TO FIND OUT IF THEY ARE RESTRICTIVE S AND GET INPUT.
UH, YOU'LL ALSO HEAR THAT WE'D LIKE TO HAVE SOME INPUT ON THE FUTURE WHEN THE RENEWAL TIME COMES UP.
UM, WE FELT VERY STRONGLY ABOUT DEEDS AND COVES AND THAT THEY NEED TO BE CONSIDERED BECAUSE BEING A PRIVATE CONTRACT, SOMETIMES WE'VE ALREADY RUN OUR PROBLEMS WITH RESIDENTS WHO SAY, OH, IF THE COUNTY SAYS I CAN GET, I CAN DO IT, THEN THAT OVER SUPERSEDES THAT.
AND THEN YOU GET INTO THE LEGAL HASSLES, AND WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THE POSITIVE COMMUNITY ATMOSPHERE THERE BY HAVING THINGS PERHAPS MORE CLEARLY DEFINED, IF YOU WILL.
UH, THE A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK WAS ANOTHER ONE THAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO FOLKS AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THESE AND HOPING THEY WOULDN'T BE CHANGED.
SO REALLY, UM, I'M NOT GONNA TAKE ALL THE THREE MINUTES IT LOOKS LIKE.
I JUST REALLY WANT TO COME AND SAY THANK YOU.
I THINK THE PROCESS IS WORKING AND WE APPRECIATE THE FACT WE'VE HAD INPUT.
THERE'S STILL THINGS THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE CHANGE.
AND WITH TIME WE'LL CONTINUE WORKING, UH, WITH YOUR GROUP TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO.
ANYONE ELSE? GARY S. MULLEN? GOOD EVENING.
I'M GARY SMOLEN OF 5 3 7 BY FROST WAY IN LINDEN.
I'M PRESIDENT OF SKYLINE COMMUNITY CORPORATION, AND AS WAT SAID, UH, WE REPRESENT THE W THREE CA AND I WANT TO THANK MATT AND CHASE FOR INCLUDING ALL OF OUR SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS IN THE, UM, YOUR AGENDA PACKET.
UM, WE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE ASIDE FROM THE A HUNDRED FOOT, UH, SETBACK THAT WE'RE MOST INTERESTED IN IS FOR THE SUBDIVISION IN QUESTION TO BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO INFORM PLANNING WHEN THERE HAVE BEEN INFRACTIONS OR VIOLATIONS OF ORDINANCES.
UH, UP TILL NOW, THERE HAVE BEEN NO, UM, UH, VIOLATION, YOU KNOW, ENFORCEMENT, UM, OF THESE TO DATE NEV THERE'S NEVER BEEN A REVOCATION.
AND THAT EITHER ASSUMES THAT ALL OF THESE PROPERTIES ARE ABOVE REPROACH OR THAT THEY'RE NOT BEING REPORTED AS THEY SHOULD BE.
AND, UM, WE ARE, AS A GROUP, WE ARE GETTING OUR, UH, BY MEANS OF
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OUR, OUR WEBSITES.WE'RE, WE'RE TELLING OUR RESIDENTS HOW TO MAKE DOCUMENTED, UH, DOCUMENT THEIR COMPLAINTS IF THEY ARE HAVING A PROBLEM WITH A, UH, SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
AND, UH, AT SOME POINT WE'D LIKE TO BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THEM, YOU KNOW, AT THE TIME THAT, UH, UM, THE CUP IS BEING, UH, RENEWED OR REVIEWED.
AND, UM, OTHER THAN THAT, WE'RE, WE'RE APPRECIATE VERY MUCH THE, UM, CHANCE TO MEET WITH, UH, MATT AND CHASE AND, AND WE THINK WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS.
ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THAT DIDN'T SIGN UP? SEE NO ONE COME FORWARD.
WHAT IS THE PROCEDURE FOR RENEWALS? IS THAT DONE AT STAFF LEVEL? YEAH, SO A LITTLE MIX UP BETWEEN THE TERM, UH, REVIEW AND RENEWAL.
SO WHAT IS ACTUALLY RENEWED IS GONNA BE THEIR BUSINESS LICENSE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.
WE DO COMPLETE AN ANNUAL REVIEW OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
THAT TIME WE WILL REQUEST THEIR ANNUAL WELL WATER TEST RESULTS AND THE SEPTIC, UH, INVOICE FOR SERVICING EVERY THREE TO FIVE YEARS.
SO WHEN WE, WE MAKE SURE THAT THE FILES ARE UP TO DATE WITH THOSE.
AND, UM, WE HAVE HAD AN OPEN DISCUSSION WITH, UH, THE W THREE CA MUCH EASIER TO SAY
YEAH, LIKE 30 DAYS BEFORE THE REVIEW OR SOMETHING SO THEY COULD TURN.
WELL, UH, ALSO, IF THERE ARE ISSUES ONGOING THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, I MEAN, THOSE SHOULD BE CONTINUALLY REPORTED TO STAFF.
RIGHT? AND AND THE APPROPRIATE WAY TO DO THAT IS CALLING THE THE PLANNING OFFICE? YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD THAT DISCUSSION, UH, WITH THE W THREE CA, UH, REPRESENTATIVES AND IT'S BEEN AN ACTIVE KIND OF ORGANIC CONVERSATION THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING.
AND IT, IT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT PROCEDURALLY.
I DON'T THINK IT WOULD REALLY NECESSARILY REQUIRE A CODE CHANGE.
THE CODE ALREADY REQUIRES AN ANNUAL REVIEW.
UH, HOW WE CARRY THAT OUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING.
UM, BUT I WOULD AGREE, UH, IF THERE IS AN ISSUE, IT SHOULD BE REPORTED IMMEDIATELY.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, BEST CASE SCENARIO IT GETS REPORTED, WE REACH OUT TO THE OPERATOR AND THEY GET IT ADDRESSED AND IT'S NOT AN ISSUE ANYMORE.
UH, IF IT'S NOT REPORTED IMMEDIATELY, IT MIGHT CONTINUE TO BE AN ISSUE UNTIL, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE GETS ON 'EM ABOUT IT.
UM, SO YEAH, THAT IS SOMETHING WE'RE LOOKING AT.
AND I DO AGREE THAT THE COMPLAINTS SHOULD COME IN AS SOON AS POSSIBLE WHEN THEY HAPPEN.
UH, BUT ON THEIR END THEY ARE REQUESTING THAT, UH, THEY BE, UH, CONTACTED ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, UH, TO SEE IF THERE ARE ANY, ANY, UH, CONSISTENT COMPLAINTS THAT THEY'RE RECEIVING.
HOW OFTEN ARE WE GETTING COMPLAINTS? SO, UH, AND, UH, KIND OF GOING OFF OF WHAT, UH, THEY, THEY, THEY SAID THERE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T REALLY GOTTEN A LOT.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S MORE A MATTER OF THERE AREN'T ISSUES OR, UM, PEOPLE JUST DON'T REPORT IT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WANNA BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR, DON'T WANNA CAUSE TROUBLE.
UM, BUT YEAH, MOST COMMON ISSUE I SEE IS, UM, THE OUTDOOR BURNING, UH, WHICH IS RESTRICTED FROM THE GUESTS.
UH, I HAD A FELLOW WHO HAD LIKE BLOCKED OFF THEIR WOOD AND THEIR GUESTS JUST BROKE THROUGH IT AND, AND TOOK THEIR WOOD AND STARTED BURNING.
SO I MEAN, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T FIX EVERYTHING.
BUT, UM, BUT WE WERE ABLE TO, UH, GET THEM TO UPDATE THEIR PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN, UM, AND PUT UP SIGNAGE, UM, RESTRICTING OR CLARIFYING THAT RESTRICTION FOR THEIR GUESTS.
UM, SO IT IS SOMETHING WE HANDLE AS, AS WE GET IT.
UM, TYPICALLY WE'RE ABLE TO ADDRESS IT BY CONTACTING THE OPERATOR, TELLING THEM THAT THERE'S A PROBLEM TELLING THEM THAT IF THE PROBLEM CONTINUES, WE WILL HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE REVOCATION PROCEDURES AS OUTLINED UNDER THE WARREN COUNTY CODE.
HAS THERE BEEN ANY MORE POSSIBLE COMMUNICATION WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT IN THE COUNTY ON ANYTHING THAT'S HAPPENED? I WOULD SAY THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED.
UM, THE NOISE COMPLAINTS, I MEAN, THE GENERAL COMPLAINT WITH THESE IS GONNA BE RELATED TO NOISE.
UM, OUTSIDE OF, YOU KNOW, YOUR ONE OFF, SOMEBODY HAD A FIRE WHEN THEY WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO OR SOMEONE PARKED IN THE ROAD, UH, WHEN THEY WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO.
I'D SAY NOISE IS PROBABLY THE MAIN CONCERN.
UM, AND WE DO NOT HAVE, UH, AN AUTOMATIC NOTIFICATION OF, UH, WHEN, UH, A NOISE COMPLAINT IS IS, UM, HANDLED BY THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
UM, THE ONLY THING WE'VE, WE'VE, UH, BEEN ABLE TO DO IS PUT TOGETHER A CONTACT
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LIST, UH, WITH THE OPERATOR'S EMERGENCY CONTACT NUMBER AND ADDRESSES FOR SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTALS IN THE COUNTY.AND THAT IS PROVIDED TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND WE UPDATE THAT REGULARLY.
I, JUST TO CONFIRM AND MAY I JUST KIND OF ADD TO THAT A LITTLE BIT.
UH, ONE OF THE PROCEDURAL THINGS WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING IS WHEN WE UPDATE OUR SPREADSHEET FOR SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL STATUS ON A MONTHLY BASIS, UH, THAT WILL NOT ONLY GO TO THE COMMISSIONER REVENUE, WE WILL SEND THAT TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND OUR GIS UH, COORDINATOR IS CURRENTLY WORKING ON A INTERACTIVE MAP THAT WILL ALLOW, UH, CITIZENS TO ACCESS THAT AND SEE WHO THE, THE, UH, EMERGENCY PROPERTY MANAGER CONTACT IS SO THEY CAN CONTACT THEM AT THAT TIME, IN REAL TIME.
AND THEN, UH, WE'LL PUT SOME SORT OF A, UH, SOME LANGUAGE ON THE WEBSITE PAGE SPECIFIC FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTALS THAT, UH, SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT SHOULD BE NOTIFIED AT THAT TIME AND THEN PLANNING DEPARTMENT, UH, THE NEXT BUSINESS DAY AND, AND THEN WE CAN ADDRESS THAT.
SO A LOT OF THIS IS CHASE MENTIONED IS PROCEDURAL AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH, UH, THE CITIZENS AND THE HOAS ON HOW WE CAN IMPROVE THOSE PROCEDURES.
UM, I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR COUNSEL ON ITEM I, UH, WHERE WE REQUEST COMMENTS AND RECORDED RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS.
I GUESS I WOULD HESITATE TO GET THE COVENANTS BECAUSE DOES THAT PUT STAFF IN ANY KIND OF POSITION WHERE WE'RE NOW INTERPRETING WHAT THE COVENANTS SAY AND THAT'S A PRIVATE CONTRACT THAT WE'RE NOT A PARTY TO IT, IT IS A PRIVATE CONTRACT THAT YOU'RE NOT A PARTY TO IT.
UH, THE COUNTY ZONING AND PRIVATE COVENANTS ARE, ARE DIFFERENT SETS OF RESTRICTIONS AND MM-HMM.
AND, UM, IT, IT IS APPROPRIATE, UM, FOR YOU TO CONSIDER COVENANTS AS ONE ASPECT OF THE MANY THINGS THAT YOU CONSIDER WHEN YOU'RE MAKING A DECISION ON A CUP.
UH, I, I EXPECT THAT IF, IF YOU DON'T ASK FOR THEM, IN MANY INSTANCES, YOU'RE GONNA GET THEM PROVIDED ANYHOW, JUST BY VIRTUE OF REACHING OUT TO AN HOA, UM, IT, IT MAKES SENSE TO ME TO HAVE A CONSISTENT PROCESS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THAT INCLUDES ASKING FOR THE COVENANTS IN, IN ALL CASES OR NOT ASKING FOR THEM AT ALL IS NOT, UH, VERY IMPORTANT TO ME.
UH, I I'M NOT TOO CONCERNED ABOUT THE COUNTY'S ABILITY TO INTERPRET THEM BECAUSE I'M HERE AS A RESOURCE TO THE PLANNING STAFF AND, AND TO YOU.
AND SO IF YOU GET A QUESTION, YOU KNOW, HEY, WHAT'S THE COUNTY'S, UH, PERSPECTIVE ON THIS COVENANT? DOES IT MEAN THAT SHORT TERM RENTALS ARE OR ARE NOT ALLOWED? I CAN OFFER YOU AN OPINION THAT HELPS YOU INTERPRET THAT THAT'S NOT BINDING ON THE LANDOWNER OR THE HOA, THAT'S JUST MY OPINION PROVIDED TO YOU.
BUT, UM, FRANKLY, I'M, I'M FINE WITH IT BEING LEFT IN THERE, BUT IF YOU HAVE STRONG FEELINGS ABOUT TAKING IT OUT, I'M FINE WITH THAT TOO.
AND JUST, JUST TO CLARIFY, THE CODE JUST DOES JUST SAY THAT WE WILL REQUEST THE COMMENTS IN, IN COVENANTS, SO NO ACTION IS REQUIRED OTHER THAN US REQUESTING IT UNDER THE CODE.
UM, ONE MORE COMMENT OR ONE MORE, UH, ISSUE I GUESS TO BRING UP IS, UM, ITEM J UH, ADDING THE LANGUAGE, THIS IS WHERE WE REQUIRE, UM, A LANDLINE AND WE'RE ADDING LANGUAGE OR OTHER RELIABLE MEANS OF TELECOMMUNICATION.
UM, I GUESS MY, MY QUESTION IS WHAT IS THE INTENT OF HAVING A LANDLINE, UM, REQUIRED? YOU KNOW, IT, EVERYBODY'S PRETTY MUCH, EVERYBODY'S GONNA HAVE A CELL PHONE.
UM, SO I THINK WE COULD ELIMINATE, UM, THE NEED FOR A LANDLINE OR IF THE INTENT IS THAT THE LANDLINE IS THERE FOR EMERGENCY CONTACT.
OTHER RELIABLE MEANS OF TELECOMMUNICATION IS CLEAR ENOUGH TO, UM, YOU KNOW, DEFINE WHAT THAT IS, WHO, YOU KNOW, WHO DEFINES WHAT RELIABLE IS.
AND, AND I CAN'T TELL YOU ON THAT BEFORE THAT WE CAME IN, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THAT, THAT CAME ON REQUIRING A LANDLINE WE GOT TO TALK ABOUT, AND THERE'S A LOT OF AREAS WHERE WE HAVE SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTALS THAT ARE FAIRLY CLOSE TO THE RIVER, WHERE THAT THIS IS A MUCH MORE PAPERWEIGHT.
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IF AN EMERGENCY HAPPENED SO THEY COULD CALL SOMEONE AND GET HELP.AND NOT ONLY THAT, LIKE SOME PEOPLE, UH, ESPECIALLY LIKE IN THE BROWNTOWN BENTONVILLE AREA, VERIZON DOES NOT WORK AT ALL.
SO, AND NOT EVERYBODY KNOWS, MOST PEOPLE WHO ARE, I'M THINKING THAT THE IDEAL PERSON WHO IS COMING TO OUR AREA TO ENJOY ARE TYPICALLY COMING FROM, UM, BUSIER LIFESTYLE WHERE PHONES ARE ALWAYS THERE.
UM, BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT HE'S SAYING IS WHAT IS THAT OTHER RELIABLE MEANS? SO I GET RIGHT, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT I DO THINK THE LANDLINE IN LAYMAN'S TERM, IT'S A COVER THE PERSON, YOU KNOW, INDIVIDUAL.
UM, 'CAUSE NOT EVERYBODY HAS YEAH, I, I, I DON'T HAVE A SUPER STRONG OPINION OF ABOUT HAVING THE LANDLINE.
I DON'T, PERSONALLY, I DON'T THINK WE NEED IT, BUT, UM, I, I DON'T LIKE THE LANGUAGE OTHER RELIABLE MEANS OF TELECOMMUNICATION.
MAY I JUST SPEAK UP IN REGARD TO THAT? ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE DID THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE CHANGE IN TECHNOLOGY AND EVERYTHING.
I MEAN, BASICALLY A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE WANTED TO USE THE VOICEOVER INTERNET PROTOCOL, THE VOIP.
AND SO WE'VE SAID, WELL, I MEAN, IF THAT WORKS FOR YOU AND YOU CAN UTILIZE THAT, THAT THAT WILL WORK.
IF IT'S RELIABLE AS A SECONDARY FORM OF TRANSPORT OF TELECOMMUNICATION, THAT MIGHT NOT LA THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT COMES DOWN.
BUT THEN I GUESS WHAT IS RELIABLE, UH, IF YOU CAN GET EMERGENCY SERVICES THERE,
I MEAN, IF THE POWER GOES OUT, YOUR VOICE'S NOT GONNA WORK.
SO, BUT AGAIN, IF THE POWER GOES OUT AND YOU'VE GOT AN OVERHEAD LANDLINE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A PHONE EITHER.
YEAH, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT PER SE.
YEAH, I THOUGHT I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION LANDLINES ALWAYS WILL HAVE, BUT THE WIRE IS IF THE WIRE'S DOWN AND CUT THE WIRE, IF THE WIRE WIRE HAD, YEAH, IT DOESN'T NEED POWER, BUT IT, IT STILL NEEDS THE WIRE.
I THINK IT'S A GOOD BROAD COVER, JUST A, YOU KNOW, A BLANKET COVER, YOU KNOW, WELL, IS THIS THE INTENT FOR A DEVICE IN THAT HOUSE IS TIED TO THE 9 1 1 CIRCUIT, THE ADDRESS, IS THAT THE INTENT OF THIS? 'CAUSE IF THAT'S THE INTENT, I MEAN ESSENTIALLY IT MAKES SENSE.
ESSENTIALLY THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.
I MEAN, IT, IT COULD BE IF THAT PERSON HAD A WALKIE TALKIE OR SOME SORT OF RESOURCE THAT THEY KNEW THEY COULD ACCESS, YOU KNOW, E 9 1 1 AND, AND EMERGENCY SERVICES, THAT COULD BE A POTENTIAL ALTERNATIVE TO VOIP.
UH, YOU KNOW, UH, IT'S JUST BASICALLY, I THINK, AND WHEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION ORIGINALLY LOOKED AT THIS IN, UH, UH, IN 2014 AS A MODIFIED CONDITION, THAT WAS JUST TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT SECONDARY, UH, FORM OF COMMUNICATION BECAUSE AT THAT TIME, I DON'T THINK WE HAD AS GOOD A COVERAGE AS WE HAVE NOW.
AND AGAIN, THERE'S STILL SPOTS IN THE COUNTY WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE THAT COVERAGE.
SO, UH, I AGREE WITH YOU, IT'S SOMEWHAT VAGUE AND BROAD, BUT IT, IT ALLOWS US TO NOT BE KIND OF SET TO A SPECIFIC SECONDARY, UM, FORM OF COMMUNICATION.
WE GET A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO SAY, WELL, CAN I USE THE, YOU KNOW, VOICEOVER INTERNET PER PROTOCOL INSTEAD? AND, UH, WE'VE TRIED TO BE A LITTLE BIT LENIENT ON THAT, BUT THAT, THAT'S WHY THIS, THIS HAS COME UP WITH, UH, THE CHANGE, THIS PARTICULAR CHANGE.
I, I GUESS MY, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET ANYTHING MORE RELIABLE THAN THE LANDLINE.
AND I, I THINK YOU GET A LANDLINE, I I'LL SAY EVERYWHERE, BUT I, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE THERE'S SOME EXCEPTIONS.
UM, MY, MY OPINION IS TO NOT INCLUDE THE OR OTHER RELIABLE MEANS OF TELECOMMUNICATION, BUT, UH, I DON'T, WELL, IT'S, IT'S TOO VAGUE FOR ME.
I, IT WOULD NEED TO BE DEFINED BECAUSE LIKE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, WE ONLY HAVE COMCAST.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE STUCK WITH VOICEOVER IP, BUT I WAS ABLE TO GET MY CELL PHONE TIED TO THE NINE ONE ONE CIRCUIT HERE.
SO THEY HAVE MY ADDRESS WHEN I CALL 9 1 1.
BUT YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE SERVICE, GOOD SERVICE WHERE YOU'RE AT VERSUS I GET A, I GET A SIGNAL EXTENSION, YOU HAVE SERVICE AND I, ON HIGH GROUNDS UP THERE,
AND, UM, I MEAN CERTAINLY WE COULD, IF YOU WANT TO SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFY TYPE OF TELECOMMUNICATION, WE CAN USE THAT AS AN ALTERNATIVE.
AND I HOPE NO
WELL, IF THE INTENT IS THAT, THAT IT'S TIED
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TO THE 9 1 1 CIRCUIT, WHY DON'T WE SAY COMMUNICATION SYSTEM THAT'S TIED TO THE WARREN COUNTY 9 1 1 CIRCUIT.I WAS TRYING TO LISTEN, TO HONE IN ON WHAT THE ISSUE IS.
I, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS I HEARD WAS A PREFERENCE FOR THE LANDLINE.
IF IT'S POSSIBLE, IF I GUESS IT FOR ME, THE, IF WE'RE GOING TO REQUIRE A LANDLINE, THE THE INTENT IS THAT IT'S THERE FOR AN EMERGENCY.
AND SO IF WE'RE SAYING THAT YOU CAN OTHERWISE HAVE A RELIABLE MEANS OF CONTACT, THEN WE HAVE TO DEFINE WHAT RELIABLE IS.
AND IF WE APPROVE SOMETHING AND THERE'S AN EMERGENCY AND THE POWER IS OUT SO THAT THE, UH, VOIP DOESN'T WORK, AND NOW THE COUNTY HAS APPROVED THIS AND THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO CONTACT EMERGENCY SERVICES, YOU KNOW, ARE, HAVE WE, WE APPROVED SOMETHING THAT'S NOT REALLY RELIABLE AND OPENED OURSELVES UP TO SOME KIND OF LITIGATION.
SO I COULD SEE TWO WAYS OF CHANGING THIS PARAGRAPH.
IF YOU WERE INCLINED TO CONSIDER A CHANGE.
ONE WOULD BE TO SAY, WELL, THEY'LL HAVE A LANDLINE AS LONG AS THE LANDLINE'S AVAILABLE, AND IF A LANDLINE ISN'T AVAILABLE, THEN, THEN THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO HAVE SOME OTHER TYPE OF TELECOMMUNICATION THAT'S CONNECTED TO THE 9 1 1 SYSTEM.
BUT IF THE LANDLINE'S AVAILABLE AND HAVE TO DO THAT, 'CAUSE THAT'S MAYBE GONNA BE THE MOST RELIABLE THAT, SO THAT'S ONE OPTION.
A A SECOND OPTION WOULD BE TO DISPENSE WITH THE REFERENCE TO LANDLINE IN JAY AND JUST SAY THEY MUST HAVE A PHONE PRESENT ON THE PREMISES THAT IS, UH, TIED TO THE 9 1 1 SYSTEM FOR, YOU KNOW, OUTGOING CALLS AND, AND CAPABLE OF RECEIVING, UH, RELIABLY RECEIVING INCOMING CALLS.
'CAUSE I THINK THERE'S BOTH A, YOU KNOW, WE WANT FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO CONTACT 9 1 1, BUT ALSO WANT FOR THE PROPERTY MANAGER PERHAPS TO BE ABLE TO CONTACT THE PREMISES TO SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, GET THE NOISE DOWN.
SO THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE MAYBE TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
ONE, TO PRIORITIZE THE LANDLINE AND, AND MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC THAT THE OTHER IS A ONLY A SECONDARY OPTION.
AND, AND ONE TO JUST DISPENSE WITH THE LANDLINE AND HONE IN ON, ON REALLY WHAT REQUIREMENT WE'RE, WE'RE FOCUSING ON WITH RESPECT TO THE PHONES.
YEAH, I, I LIKED YOUR FIRST SUGGESTION, BUT I WONDER IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO, UM, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS WITH, UM, STAFF TO REVISIT JAY TO, UM, KIND OF TAKE THOSE TWO OPTIONS AND, AND YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE NOT DECIDING RIGHT NOW ON THE DAIS WHAT IS THE BEST OPTION, BUT STAFF HAS TIME TO RESEARCH AND DECIDE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO APPROACH IT.
I THINK THAT'S FINE IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD WITH APPROVAL WITH THE DIRECTION TO STAFF TO REVISIT JAY AND MAKE IT MORE CLEAR.
BUT THEN THE ULTIMATE DECISION ON THAT CHOICE WOULD COME FROM STAFF AND IF YOU WANT TO RETAIN, UH, CONTROL OVER THAT, THEN YOU WOULD NEED TO PROVIDE DIRECTION THIS EVENING OR TABLE IT.
I MEAN, SO MY OPINION, I, I THINK AT LEAST I FEEL I HAVE MADE MY CONCERNS KNOWN AND TRUST STAFF TO TAKE THOSE BACK AND COME UP WITH A, A GOOD ALTERNATIVE.
UM, HOW DO YOU GUYS FEEL? YEAH, A METHOD OF TYING TO THE 9 1 1 CIRCUIT? YEAH, I'M FINE IF THAT'S THE INTENT.
WELL, YOU WANNA MAKE THE MOTION, IT'S YOUR, UH,
UM, YEAH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR IT.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I PROPOSE THAT THE PLAN AND COMMISSION FORWARD THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL CONTINGENT UPON, UH, COUNTY STAFF REVISITING ITEM J TO ADDRESS COMMENTS AS STATED, UH, DURING THE MEETING TONIGHT.
OPPOSED? OKAY, THAT'LL BE FORWARDED.
[C. CUP2024-OI-OI - Vesta Property Management (40 Acre Wood, LLC) - A request for a conditional use permit for a Short-Term Tourist Rental. The property is located at 357 Stokes Airport Road and identified on tax map 18, lot 74A. The property is zoned Agricultural (A) and located in the LastaHoldings LLC subdivision and in the Fork Magisterial District. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator]
PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT.CUP 20 24 0 1 0 1 BEST OF PROPERTY MANAGEMENT 40 ACRE WOOD LLC REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORT-TERM TOUR.
STRADDLE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 3 57 STOKES AIRPORT ROAD IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 18 LOT 74.
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PROPERTY OWNED AGRICULTURAL LOCATED IN THE LAST, UH, HOLDINGS, LLC SUBDIVISION AND THEN THE FORK MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT MR. LINZ.THE OWNER IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM TOUR TRIAL FOR THE PROPERTY PURCHASED IN OCTOBER OF 2018.
THE OWNER WOULD LIKE TO MAKE HIS PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR SHORT-TERM LODGING FOR TRAVELING NURSES, REMOTE WORKING PROFESSIONALS, SEEKING A CHANGE IN SCENERY AND OTHER VISITORS OF THE WARREN COUNTY AREA.
WITH THE OWNER BEING THE MANAGER OF THE LOCAL VESTA PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY, THE PROPERTY WILL BE MANAGED BY THAT COMPANY.
AND JUST AS OF NOTE, AS YOU MIGHT HAVE NOTED FROM THE ADDRESS, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED 500 FEET NORTH OF THE FRONT ROYAL WARREN COUNTY AIRPORT.
UH, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT DOES HAVE AN OPERATION PERMIT ALLOWING A MAXIMUM OF SIX OCCUPANTS FOR THE DWELLING.
THEY HAVE PROVIDED THEIR PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN AND THE DWELLING DOES MEET THE MINIMUM SETBACK REQUIREMENT OF 100 FEET FROM NEIGHBORING RESIDENCES.
THE NEAREST DWELLING IS LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 119 FEET TO THE NORTHEAST.
UM, SO I WILL GO AHEAD AND READ THROUGH THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS FOR THIS FIRST APPLICATION AND FOR THE REST OF THE PUBLIC HEARINGS WE HAVE TONIGHT FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS.
I'LL JUST LET YOU KNOW WHAT'S DIFFERENT.
UH, CONDITION NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.
NUMBER TWO, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED THE SYSTEM CAPACITY AS DETERMINED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT PER WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION 180 DASH 56.4 B.
THE C CERTIFICATE OF ZONING SHALL ONLY BE ISSUED WITH HEALTH APPROVED HEALTH DEPARTMENT RECORDS.
NUMBER THREE, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE WELL WATER TESTED ANNUALLY FOR E COLI AND COLIFORM BACTERIA AND A COPY OF THE RESULTS SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING AND HEALTH DEPARTMENTS.
NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM INSPECTED ANNUALLY BY A STATE LICENSE INSPECTOR AND A COPY OF THE RESULTS SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING AND HEALTH DEPARTMENTS.
THE SYSTEM SHALL ALSO BE SERVICED EVERY FIVE YEARS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND A COPY OF THE SERVICE INVOICE SHALL BE PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
NUMBER FIVE, THE DISCHARGE OF FIREARMS AND HUNTING ON THE PROPERTY BY GUESTS SHALL BE PROHIBITED.
NUMBER SIX, THE USE OF ALL TERRAIN VEHICLES BY GUESTS ON THE PROPERTY AND ON STATE ROADS SHALL BE PROHIBITED.
AND NUMBER SEVEN, OUTDOOR BURNING AND USE OF FIREWORKS BY GUESTS SHALL BE PROHIBITED.
UH, I WILL NOTE THAT UH, WE DID RECEIVE A LATE COMMENT, I BELIEVE FROM A NEIGHBOR, UH, THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO YOU AT YOUR, AT YOUR SEAT THERE.
UH, OTHER THAN THAT, THIS, UH, PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.
ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED.
I'M ACTUALLY NOT SURE IF THERE IS A REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE APPLICANT.
I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE HERE TONIGHT.
ALRIGHT, WITH THAT THEN WE'LL CUT TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ANYONE SIGN UP TO SPEAK SARAH O'FALLON.
THIS GOES DOWN AS THE BEST, UH, VALENTINE'S STATE EVER.
UM, I AM SARAH SHIRTZ O'FALLON AND I AM A ONE SIX OWNER OF 5 98 STOKES AIRPORT ROAD.
WE ARE THE STEWARDS OF PROPERTY WHERE MY PARENTS LIVED SINCE THE 1970S.
WE TREASURE THE LAND FOR ITS AGRICULTURAL SIGNIFICANCE, RECREATIONAL ENJOYMENT, AND WONDERFUL VIEWS.
I AM LEERY OF PROVIDING CS FOR THE PURPOSE OF CREATING SHORT TERM RENTALS TO PROPERTIES THAT HAVE BEEN ZONED AGRICULTURE.
THE EFFECT OF ALLOWING SHORT-TERM RENTALS HAVE OFTEN RES RESULTED IN INCREASED TRASH, INCREASED NOISE, AND INCREASED TRAFFIC.
INCREASED TRAFFIC IS SOMETHING THAT STOKES AIRPORT ROAD CANNOT AFFORD.
IT'S HIGH SPEED AND BLIND DANGEROUS CURVES ARE SCARY ENOUGH.
NOW, I AM ALSO COGNIZANT OF THE REAL ESTATE MARKET IN GENERAL.
THERE IS A DROUGHT OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES FOR PURCHASE OR RENT IN WARREN COUNTY AND THE WIDER GEOGRAPHICAL AREA.
THIS IS ESPECIALLY SO FOR THE LOWER END OF THE MARKET APPROVAL FOR CS FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS ONLY EXASPERATES THIS SITUATION.
I ASK FOR YOUR CONSIDERATIONS OF THE NEIGHBORS ON STOKES AIRPORT ROAD AND REQUEST THAT YOU DO NOT RECOMMEND THIS SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL REQUEST.
I LIVE AT 1 64 CEDAR PARK COURT, FRONT ROW, VIRGINIA.
I DIDN'T COME HERE NECESSARILY SPEAK ON THIS ONE TONIGHT, BUT THEY ARE ARE ALSO MY NEIGHBORS.
I HAVE PROPERTY DOWN IN RIDGEWAY, WHICH IS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER.
AND THE REASON I WANT TO OPPOSE THE APPROVAL OF THIS IS VERY
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HONEST, EXACTLY WHAT SHE SAID.I ALMOST TAIL ENDED ONE OF THEIR CONTRACTORS OR WHATEVER HE WAS BACKING OUTTA THEIR PLACE THE OTHER NIGHT.
IT LOOKED LIKE HE WAS GONNA GO OVER TO NANCY'S FRONT YARD, BUT THEY HAVE NO CONSIDERATION AND THEY'RE THE, THE, UH, E EXIT ENTRYWAY INTO THE PROPERTY.
IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT EIGHT FEET WIDE IN SOME CASES AND IT NEEDS TO BE GREATLY IMPROVED.
PLUS, VERY HONESTLY, I'VE GOT OTHER NEIGHBORS IN THE AREA WHO LOVE TO HUNT.
AND WHEN YOU GOT AN ANIMAL RUNNING ACROSS A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S INJURED, YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU TAKE CARE OF THE ANIMAL ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, WHETHER IT'S ON YOUR PROPERTY OR SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY.
YOU DON'T WANNA LEAVE AN ANIMAL HURT.
AND CONVERSELY, IF YOU GOT A DARN DOG WALK WALKING ACROSS YOUR PROPERTY, TO ME IT LOOKS LIKE ONE, ONE OF THE COYOTES GOING ACROSS MY BACK OF MY LINET AND I'M GONNA SHOOT THE SON OF A GUN.
BUT I HAVE NO, NO INTEREST IN SEEING SOMEBODY RENTING THE PROPERTY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT TO SAY.
ANYONE ELSE CARE TO SPEAK THAT DIDN'T SIGN UP WITH THAT? WE'LL CALL THE PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED.
I HEAR SOME OF YOUR COMPLAINTS, ESPECIALLY ON THE TRAFFIC, HOWEVER YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER THIS PERSON.
IF THEY CAN'T DO SHORT TERM RENTAL, THEY'LL PROBABLY DO A LONG TERM RENTAL, WHICH WILL GENERATE EVEN MORE TRAFFIC.
THAT'S 20 TO 30 TRIPS ON A WEEK.
IF A LONG TERM RENTAL, THAT'S 70 TRIPS.
THAT'S ABOUT ALL I'VE GOT TO ADD ON THAT ONE.
ANYBODY ELSE GOT ANYTHING OTHER THAN SHORT TERM RENTALS? THE OWNERS USUALLY KEEP UP THE PROPERTY BETTER THAN THEY WOULD IF THEY'RE LEASING IT TO A LONG TERM.
YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT AND KEEP IT CLEAN.
YEAH, IT IT, THAT IS, THAT IS ONE THING THAT HAS TO BE DONE.
UNFORTUNATELY, A LOT OF THE PEOPLE IN COMMUNITIES THAT DO OWN DON'T NECESSARILY THEIR AREAS CLEAN.
AND ANOTHER ONE TOO, SOME OF OUR ORDINANCES IS WE DON'T ALLOW ATVS ON THESE.
WE DON'T OUT DON'T ALLOW FIREARMS LONG TERM RENTAL.
YOU CANNOT SUPPRESS ANY OF THAT, ESPECIALLY SOMEONE'S SECOND AMENDMENT.
RIGHT? MM-HMM
AND UM, ALSO, YOU KNOW, WE TOUCHED ON EARLIER THE COMPLAINTS.
UM, IF THERE ARE CONCERNS, SPECIFIC CONCERNS WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE PROPERTY, I WOULD ENCOURAGE ANYBODY TO CALL THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, WE WILL, WE'LL TAKE THE APPROPRIATE STEPS FROM THERE.
ANYONE GOT ANYTHING ELSE? UH, OTHER THAN TAKE A MOTION HAS, HOLD ON.
HAS THE MANAGEMENT PLAN BEEN APPROVED? IT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED.
IT'S TYPICALLY A POST-APPROVAL ITEM, BUT IT IS COMPLIANT.
UH, IT IS WHAT THAT IS SOMETHING I'VE LOOKED AT.
AND I ALSO DID FORGET TO MENTION I BELIEVE THE, UH, OWNER DOES LIVE FULL-TIME IN THE HOUSE DIRECTLY BEHIND IT.
IT IS A SHARED DRIVEWAY AND SO ANY ISSUES WITH THE DRIVEWAY WOULD AFFECT YEAH, HIM THAT'S, THAT'S ACTUALLY, SO HOPEFULLY HE WOULD FIX ANYTHING THAT, UH, COMES UP.
THE PROPERTY MANAGER LIVES BACK THERE.
THE OWNER IS ELSEWHERE
NO, THEY DO HAVE FI OUTDOOR FIRES ALLOWED IN THEIR MANAGER PLAN.
IN THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN.
THAT IS SOMETHING I WILL TAKE A LOOK AT.
IT WILL HAVE TO BE REMOVED PRIOR TO RECEIVING A CERTIFICATE AS THAT.
WE, UH, PUBLIC HEARINGS CLOSED MA'AM.
I MOVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARDS THE APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH A RECOMMENDATION
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TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUESTED BY VISTA PROPERTY MANAGEMENT 40 ACRE WOODS LLC FOR A SHORT TERM RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS RECOMMENDING BY STAFF.ALRIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT'LL BE FORWARDED ON OUR NEXT ONE.
[D. CUP202a-OI-02 - Gregory & Margo Steadman - A request for a conditional use permit for a Guesthouse. The property is located at (O) Knock Lane and identified on tax map IOP, section 4, lot 20. The property is zoned Agricultural (A) and located in the Gafia Estates at Lake John subdivision and in the North River Magisterial District. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator]
CUP 20 24 0 1 0 2 GREGORY AND MARGO STEADMAN, REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR GUEST HOUSE PROPERTY LOCATED ON KN LANE IDENTIFIED IN TAX MAP.10 PS SECTION FOUR, LOT 20 PROPERTIES ON AGRICULTURAL LOCATED IN THE GAIA ESTATES AT LAKE JOHN SUBDIVISION AND IN NORTH RIVER MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANTS ARE REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A GUEST HOUSE TO ALLOW THEM TO PURSUE A TWO STAGE CONSTRUCTION PLAN FOR THEIR PROPERTY.
THE FIRST STAGE WOULD BE THE CONSTRUCTION OF A 1600 SQUARE FOOT DWELLING AND BOAT RECREATIONAL EQUIPMENT STORAGE BUILDING.
FOR THE SECOND PHASE, THE OWNERS WOULD RESIDE IN THIS DWELLING UNIT WHILE FINANCING FOR AND CONSTRUCTING A LARGER DWELLING TO BE USED AS THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE.
UPON COMPLETION OF THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE, THE SMALLER DWELLING WILL BE CONVERTED INTO A GUEST HOUSE FOR TEMPORARY LODGING FOR FAMILY AND FRIENDS ON A NON-COMMERCIAL BASIS.
AS MENTIONED, THIS IS IN THE GAVIA ESTATES AT LAKE JOHN SUBDIVISION OFF OF NO LANE.
AND THIS PROPERTY ACTUALLY INCLUDES LAKE JOHN AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE SEEN THE MM-HMM.
UM, AND WE'LL MENTION AS, AS YOU MIGHT IMAGINE, THE REAR PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH INCLUDES MOST OF LAKE JOHNS IDENTIFIED AS A SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA, FLOOD ZONE, A APPROXIMATE HIGH RISK FLOOD ZONE.
BOTH THE GUEST HOUSE AND PRIMARY RESIDENCE SHOWN ON THEIR SUBMITTED UH, SITE PLAN WILL BE CONSTRUCTED OUTSIDE OF THE SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA SO THEY WON'T HAVE TO MESS WITH ANY FLOOD PLAIN REGULATIONS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION.
THERE ARE NO SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS FOR A GUEST HOUSE.
JUST THE DEFINITION WHICH WAS INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
AND, UH, WE ARE RECOMMENDING, UM, THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
NUMBER ONE, THE GUEST HOUSE MAY BE USED FOR FULL-TIME OCCUPANCY UNTIL THE SECOND DWELLING HAS BEEN ISSUED A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
NUMBER TWO, THE GUEST HOUSE SHALL ONLY BE USED FOR PART-TIME OCCUPANCY UP TO SIX MONTHS PER YEAR AFTER THE SECOND DWELLING HAS BEEN ISSUED.
THE GUEST HOUSE SHALL NOT BE RENTED, LEASED, OR OTHERWISE MADE AVAILABLE FOR COMPENSATION OF ANY KIND.
USE OF THE GUEST HOUSE AS A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL SHALL BE PROHIBITED.
NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.
THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE A CONDITION PLACED ON THE DEED AT THE TIME OF TRANSFER OF THE PROPERTY TO A NEW OWNER THAT THE RENTAL OR LEASING OF THE GUEST HOUSE FOR COMPENSATION OF ANY KIND IS PROHIBITED AND THAT THE GUEST HOUSE IS LIMITED TO PART-TIME OCCUPANCY UP TO SIX MONTHS PER YEAR AFTER THE SECOND DWELLING HAS BEEN ISSUED AS CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
AND NUMBER SIX, ANY CONSTRUCTION OR DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE FLOODPLAIN OVERLAY DISTRICT SHALL COMPLY WITH THE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS SET FORTH UNDER WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION 180 DASH 16 FLOODPLAIN OVERLAY DISTRICT DOWN BREAK INUNDATION ZONES.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.
ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED AND AGAIN, I'M NOT SURE IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT.
I MAY HAVE FORGOTTEN TO SEND A REMINDER EMAIL.
MEMBERS NOTIFIED WITH THAT PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN.
ANYONE SIGN UP? ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST? I SEE ANYONE COME FORWARD THE PUBLIC HEARING'S CLOSED.
LOOKS LIKE EVERYTHING'S PRETTY MUCH IN ORDER.
I DON'T SEE ANYTHING NECESSARILY.
IF YOU GUYS ARE READY, I CAN TAKE A MOTION PLEASE.
UM, I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST OF GREGORY AND MARGO STEADMAN FOR A GUEST HOUSE WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT BE FORWARDED ON OUR
[E. CUP2024-01-03 - Kenny & Sylvia Day - A request for a conditional use permit for a Short-Term Tourist Rental. The property is located at 628 Harmony Orchard Road and identified on tax map 38C, section 1, lot 3. The property is zoned Agricultural (A) and located in the Harmony Hollow Association Inc. subdivision and in the South River Magisterial District. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator]
FIFTH PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT.CUP 20 24 0 1 0 3 KENNY AND SYLVIA DAY REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FROM SHORT TERM TOURIST STRE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 6 28 HARMONY ORCHARD ROAD IDENTIFIED AT TAX MAP 38 C SECTION ONE LOT THREE PROPERTY'S OWNED AGRICULTURAL AND IS LOCATED IN THE HARMONY HALL ASSOCIATION SUBDIVISION IN THE SOUTH RIVER MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANTS ARE REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORT-TERM TOUR RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY THEY PURCHASED IN JULY OF 2023.
THE OWNERS WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THEIR PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR SHORT-TERM LODGING AS A FRIENDLY HOME BASE FOR VISITORS OF THE WARREN COUNTY AREA, SEEKING TO EXPLORE EVERYTHING THE COUNTY HAS TO OFFER WHEN THEY'RE NOT USING THE PROPERTY AS AN ESCAPE FROM THEIR HECTIC LIVES IN DC.
THE APPLICANTS WILL MANAGE THE PROPERTY PERSONALLY WITH ASSISTANCE FROM LOCAL PROFESSIONAL SERVICES FOR TRASH REMOVAL, CLEANING AND MAINTENANCE.
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UH, THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT FOR THIS PROPERTY, PROVES A MAXIMUM OF SIX OCCUPANTS FOR A THREE BEDROOM DWELLING AND PROVIDED THEIR PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN AND WILL NEED TO BE APPROVED PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF ZONING.AND THE DWELLING DOES MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT TO ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS.
THE CLOSEST DWELLING IS 421 FEET TO THE SOUTHWEST.
AND WE'LL NOTE, I BELIEVE THE HOUSE TWO OR THREE DOORS DOWN IS APPROVED AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL AS WELL.
UM, SO IT IS THE STANDARD CONDITIONS WE'RE RECOMMENDING.
UM, NO DIFFERENT FOR THIS ONE.
UM, THE PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.
ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED DID RECEIVE A FEW LATE LETTERS WHICH WERE PROVIDED TO YOU AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING.
MM-HMM,
AGAIN, I'M NOT SURE IF THE APPLICANT IS.
SIR, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WISH TO ADD? I JUST WANTED TO VERY QUICKLY THINK ALSO.
PROTOCOL ON YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
UH, SYLVIA DAY IS MY WIFE, 6 28 HARMONY ORCHARD ROAD.
JUST WANTED TO THANK THE COMMISSION FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING AND ALSO SPECIAL SHOUT OUT TO, UH, TO CHASE, UH, LENS WHO'S BEEN EXTREMELY HELPFUL THROUGH THIS ENTIRE PROCESS.
YOU PROBABLY ALREADY KNOW THIS, BUT, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL AND MY WIFE IS A RULE FOLLOWER.
UM, WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THIS OPPORTUNITY AND OUR COMMENTS ON BEING ABLE TO SHARE THE, THE BEAUTY OF THIS VERY SPECIAL PLACE IS GENUINE.
UM, WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO OPENING UP THIS BEAUTIFUL LITTLE CORNER OF THE WORLD TO OTHER PEOPLE AND IT'S A BLESSING THAT, UH, BECAUSE WE'RE ZONED AGRICULTURAL, UH, WE CAN ONLY HAVE SO MANY GUESTS AND, UH, SIX IS A GOOD NUMBER.
WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN ON THE OTHER END OF AIRBNB AND SHORT TERM RENTALS, SO WE'RE SUPER GUESTS.
UH, AND WE WILL ONLY, UH, RENT OUT TO SUPER GUESTS AND PROBABLY ON A VERY LIMITED BASIS, WE JUST BELIEVE THAT A HOME THAT HAS PEOPLE GOING THROUGH IT IS BETTER THAN, THAN ONE THAT IS, UH, NOT OCCUPIED.
WE HAVE ALSO RECEIVED LETTERS, UH, COMMUNICATION AND MET OUR NEIGHBORS AND, UH, THEY'VE BEEN VERY SPECIFIC ON THE GUIDANCE ON FIRES.
UH, SHOOTING FIREWORKS, ALL THE, ALL THE STUFF.
SO, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND, UH, WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO SPENDING MORE TIME OUT HERE.
WITH THAT PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
ANYONE SIGN UP TO SPEAK? ALLISON? ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK? PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED AND I'LL MENTION I FORGOT TO UPDATE THE ONE LINE IN MY STAFF REPORT.
THEY HAVE ENGAGED A LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGER WHO WILL ASSIST WITH THE MANAGEMENT OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, THEY GET, I MEAN, PRETTY GOOD LETTERS, SO THANK, DON'T SEE ANYTHING.
UM, I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST OF KENNY AND SYLVIA DAY FOR A SHORT TERM TAURIST RENTAL, UH, WITH CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
AYES HAVE IT TO BE FORWARDED ONTO THE BOARD.
[F. CUP202a-OI-04 - Jacquelyn Gunn - A request for a conditional use permit for a Short-Term Tourist Rental. The property is located at 1754 Khyber Pass Road and identified on tax map 23A, section 9, block 35, lot 55A. The property is zoned Residential-One (R-I) and located in the Skyland Estates subdivision and in the Happy Creek Magisterial District. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator]
SIXTH PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT.JACQUELINE GUNN REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1754 BER PASS ROAD.
THEY'VE HIRED ON TAX MAP 28 A SECTION NINE BLOCK 35 LOT 55 A PROPERTY ZONED R ONE RESIDENTIAL LOCATED IN THE SKY SKYLAND ESTATE SUBDIVISION AND THE HAPPY CREEK MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.
MR. LENON GETTING OUR MONEY'S WORTH OUTTA YOU TONIGHT.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY SHE PURCHASED IN MAY OF 2023.
THE OWNER WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR SHORT-TERM LODGING FOR VISITORS OF THE WARREN COUNTY AREA.
SEEKING TO EXPERIENCE THE LOCAL ATTRACTIONS WHEN SHE'S NOT USING THE PROPERTY PERSONALLY.
PRIMARILY RESIDING IN WOODBRIDGE, VIRGINIA.
THE APPLICANT WILL MANAGE THE PROPERTY PERSONALLY WITH ASSISTANCE FROM HER IMMEDIATE NEIGHBOR ON, UH, KYBER PASS ROAD, WHO
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WILL SERVE AS A LOCAL CONTACT.UM, SO A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY.
UH, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION, UH, FOR THIS USE WAS PREVIOUSLY DENIED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IN 2014.
UH, THE BOARD AT THE TIME WAS NOT SATISFIED WITH THE SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS, UH, IN PLACE, UH, FROM 2012 TO 2014 AND IN DENYING THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AT THE TIME, THE BOARD INSTRUCTED THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO DRAFT ADDITIONAL SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTALS.
AND THOSE ARE THE REGULATIONS THAT ARE NOW IN PLACE AS OF 2014 THAT WE'RE CHANGING
UH, THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT.
IT IS A MAXIMUM OF FOUR OCCUPANTS FOR THE TWO BEDROOM DWELLING.
THEY PROVIDED THEIR PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN, UH, AND WE HAVE RECEIVED COMMENTS FROM THE SKYLAND COMMUNITY CORPORATION, UH, RECOMMENDING DISAPPROVAL OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION.
UM, SO I, ON THAT I WILL NOTE, UH, I RECEIVED THE COMMENTS.
THERE WAS, UH, LIKE A WEBSITE CREATED FOR THIS.
UH, I DID GO INTO THAT WEBSITE AND IT IS NOT ACTIVELY ADVERTISING.
YOU CAN'T ACTUALLY PLACE A BOOKING.
UH, AND THE OWNER HAS CONFIRMED THAT THEY HAVE, THEY, THEY'RE THE ONLY ONES THAT HAVE BEEN THERE, UH, SINCE THEY PURCHASED IT.
SO THEY HAVE A WEBSITE BUILT OUT FOR IT, UH, FOR, FOR FUTURE 'CAUSE THAT TAKES TIME TO BUILD.
UH, BUT IT IS NOT LIVE SO TO SPEAK.
UM, THE DWELLING DOES MEET THE 100 FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT FROM NEIGHBORING DWELLINGS.
UH, THE NEAREST DWELLING IS APPROXIMATELY 167 UH, FEET TO THE EAST ACROSS, UH, THE ROAD.
IT IS THE STANDARD CONDITIONS WE'RE RECOMMENDING SAME AS THE OTHERS.
TONIGHT THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.
ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER IS NOTIFIED AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING.
ANYTHING TO ADD TO MR. LYNN'S COMMENTS? UH, NO.
THANK YOU SO MUCH WITH THAT PUBLIC HEARING.
IS NOW OPEN? ANYONE SIGN UP? TIM STEEL.
HI, I'M SIGNED UP TO THINK THAT DO FOR ATTENDANCE? NOT OKAY.
ANYONE ELSE? IT'S OUR FIRST TIME HERE.
I'M ASSUMING THAT APPLIES TO YOUR WIFE AS WELL? YES.
HE WOULDN'T CARE TO SPEAK ANYHOW, SEE NO ONE COME FORWARD.
HAS THE, WHAT WAS THE GROUNDS THAT THE ASSOCIATION DENIED IT? UM, SO, UH, THEY, THEY LOCATED THIS WEBSITE AND I, I, I GUESS THEY CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT THEY WERE ACTIVELY OPERATING WITHOUT THE APPROVED CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
AND THAT IS WHY I WENT IN TO VERIFY IF THERE WAS INDEED A ZONING VIOLATION, UH, GOING ON HERE.
AND I CONFIRMED THAT THERE WAS NOT, UH, IT IS JUST A WEBSITE.
YOU CANNOT, UH, BOOK A RESERVATION OR ANYTHING THROUGH IT.
IT'S JUST THEY, THEY'VE STARTED WORKING ON IT.
I'M SURE IT TOOK A LOT OF TIME TO BUILD
UM, THEY, THEY DO HAVE THAT LIST.
THEY DO HAVE A LIST OF, UH, CONDITIONS, UH, THAT, THAT THEY WOULD NEED TO SEE SATISFIED IN ORDER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
UH, THEY, UH, ARE OPPOSED TO THE OPERATION OF, OF THESE BY, UH, AN LLC OWNERSHIP OR, OR CORPORATE OWNERSHIP.
AND THEY DO, UH, ONLY RECOMMEND APPROVAL IF THE, UH, THE OWNER IS STAYING THERE AT THE SAME TIME.
UM, SO KIND OF MORE OF LIKE A BED AND BREAKFAST TYPE, UH, USE.
ANYBODY, ANYTHING, ANYTHING ELSE? I MOVE THAT WE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARDED THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH RECOMMENDATIONS TO APPROVE ON THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR JACQUELINE GUNN FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT BE FORWARDED ON TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, OUR SEVENTH
[G. CUP2023-05-oa - David A. Downes - This is a resubmission request for a conditional use permit for a Short-Term Tourist Rental. The property is located at 125 Freeze Road and identified on tax map 23C, section 2, block 2, lot 168A. The property is zoned Residential-One (R-1) and located in the Mountain View Section of the Shenandoah Farms subdivision and the Shenandoah Magisterial District. - Matt Wendling, Planning Director]
PUBLIC HEARING AND LAST SHORT TERM CO RENTAL FOR THE EVENING.SEE YOU P 20 23 0 5 0 4 DAVID A. DOWNS.
THIS IS A RESUBMISSION REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1 25 FREEZE ROAD IDENTIFIED IN TAX MAP 23 C SECTION TWO BLOCK TWO LOT 1 68.
A PROPERTY ZONED R ONE RESIDENTIAL LOCATED IN THE MOUNTAIN VIEW SECTION OF SHENANDOAH FARM SUBDIVISION, AND THEN THE SHENANDOAH MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT, MR. WENDLING? YES.
UH, ORIGINALLY THE APPLICANT HAD APPLIED FOR THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UM, UH, TWO YEARS AGO, UH, ON BEHALF OF THE STATE.
ACTUALLY, IT WAS LAST YEAR ON BEHALF OF THE STATE OF HIS CLOSE FRIEND WHO IS NOW DECEASED, AND HE IS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE FRIEND'S YOUNG DAUGHTER.
UH, THE PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED IN 2018 BY THE DECEASED FATHER AND
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UNCLE OF THE CHILD.UM, THIS PERMIT WOULD'VE ALLOWED TO, UH, THE APPLICANT TO GENERATE INCOME ON THE PROPERTY UNTIL THE DAUGHTER TURNS 21 AND RELOCATES THE UNITED STATES FROM THE PHILIPPINES.
UM, THE APPLICANT, MR. DOWNS, WHO'S, UH, A LOCAL ATTORNEY HERE, UM, DID NOT HAVE THE PROPER, UH, ORDER AND, UH, FIDUCIARY POWERS TO ALLOW HIM TO HANDLE HER ESTATE AT THE TIME.
SO, UH, HE TEMPORARILY WITHDREW THIS APPLICATION AND WAS ABLE TO HAVE A LEGAL ORDER GIVEN TO HIM FOR THE ADDITIONAL FIDUCIARY POWERS TO REPRESENT, UH, THAT MINOR, UH, FORCE, AND TO ALLOW HIM TO CONTINUE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND THE MANAGEMENT OF THE SHORT TERM TAURIST RENTAL IF APPROVED.
UM, THE ORDER WAS RECORDED IN WARREN COUNTY, UH, CIRCUIT COURT CLERK ON DECEMBER 20TH, 2023.
UH, MR. DOWNS HAS REQUESTED THAT, UM, THE PLAINTIFF COMMISSION AND BOARD REEVALUATE THE, UH, APPLICATION.
UM, A COPY OF THAT ORDER WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKETS.
UM, THE PROPERTY, UH, IS, UH, BEEN APPROVED FOR A THREE BEDROOM HOUSE, UH, AND THE, UH, SETBACKS ARE MEET THE REQUIRED 100 FOOT SETBACK.
THE CLOSEST DWELLING IS 131 FEET.
COUNTY STAFF IS REQUESTING THE STANDARD CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE FOR SHORT TERM TOR RENTALS.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.
ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER'S NOTIFIED I DON'T SEE MR. DOWNS IN THE, OH, THERE HE IS.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
SO YOU MUST HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD.
OH, I, TO ADD, JUST CLARIFICATION, DAVID DOWNS 14 CHESTER STREET FROM RURAL VIRGINIA, 37 YEAR RESIDENT WARREN COUNTY, UH, WHILE IN PROBATE, CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD, CANNOT GO FORWARD WITH THE CUP.
HARRY DIES IN OCTOBER OF 2022.
HIS BROTHER HAD PASSED AWAY JANUARY OF 2022.
UH, BEST FRIENDS FOR ABOUT 16 YEARS.
THIS WAS NOT A VOCATION I HAD EVER ANTICIPATED FALLING INTO.
THIS IS MY, WELL, MY FIRST ESTATE, THE FIRST TIME I'VE ADMINISTERED ESTATE.
THE ESTATE IS, UM, HAS SOLE BENEFICIARY.
AND NOW TRUST OF MY GODDAUGHTER.
I WAS THERE WHEN HARRY MET HER MOM AND WAS THERE WHEN SHE WAS BORN AND HAVE, UM, KEPT TABS WITH HER THROUGHOUT.
UH, THIS IS A FAMILY THAT THERE IS NO OTHER REAL LIVING RELATIVE, AND THE ONLY WAY THAT THIS ESTATE COULD BE PRESERVED WOULD BE TO HAVE SOME INCOME GENERATED FROM IT UNTIL SHE TURNS 21.
AND IT WAS HARRY AND MILLARD'S WISH THAT SHE WOULD COME TO THE UNITED STATES.
SHE'S A US CITIZEN, BUT SHE'S AN ONLY DAUGHTER.
AND HER MOTHER, UH, WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE HAD SOME COMPLICATIONS GETTING THE TRANSFER.
UM, TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO HER THE PROCESS AND THE NECESSITY OF PROBATE VERSUS INTO A TRUST WAS MORE CHALLENGING.
AND THUS, THE REASON FOR THE DELAY.
I UNDERSTAND THE COMPLAINT COMMISSION HAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED IT.
I HOPE THEY'LL DO THE SAME TONIGHT.
NOW THAT WE'VE RESOLVED THOSE LEGALITIES, UH, OF COURSE, HARRY HAS PASSED.
IT WOULD NOT BE IN THE STATE OTHERWISE, IF HE WERE ALIVE.
NOT A WHOLE LOT TO ADD OTHER THAN I'M GOING TO THE HOUSE NOW, PROBABLY TWO, THREE TIMES A WEEK.
I USE THE GARAGE AREA TO WORK ON MY BIKES, DO A LITTLE CARPENTRY WORK, UH, PIDDLE AROUND.
SOME PEOPLE HAVE HOBBIES OF DOLLHOUSES.
I'VE GOT THIS $450,000 CABIN ON STEROIDS AS I'VE DESCRIBED TO MY FRIENDS.
AND, UM, ALL THE FURNITURE'S STILL THERE.
I I ENDED UP PURCHASING THAT FROM MY, FOR MYSELF FROM, UH, MILLARD'S ESTATE.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF GETTING THE PROPER APPROVALS AND, UM, LOOK FORWARD TO TAKING CARE OF IT FOR THE NEXT SEVEN YEARS UNTIL, UM, UH, UH, KATHLEEN CAN COME TO THE UNITED STATES WHERE SHE'LL DECIDE TO EITHER LIVE THERE OR DECIDE TO SELL IT.
UH, I KNOW WE HAVE A NEIGHBOR THAT HAS A AIRBNB BECAUSE DURING OUR RECENT SNOW, THE, UM, THE PARTY WAS A BACHELORETTE PARTY AND THEY COULDN'T MAKE IT UP THE HILL, BUT THEY COULD MAKE IT TO THE DRIVEWAY AT 1 25.
AND WE LET THEM KEEP THEIR CAR THERE FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS.
AND, UH, THE PLAN TO HAVE MANAGEMENT IS THROUGH EVOL.
UH, AGAIN, IT'S NOT AN INDUSTRY I WANTED TO GET INTO MYSELF, BUT I ALSO PLAN ON HAVING A LOT OF HANDS-ON TO MAKE SURE THE PROPERTY'S MAINTAINED SO THAT IT CAN, IN LARGE PART, HELPS SUPPORT MY, MY GODDAUGHTER THAT THIS IS THE ONLY FORM OF IN INCOME THAT SHE'LL HAVE.
WITH THAT, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
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UP? ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST? SEE NO ONE COME FORWARD.HAVE, HAVE YOU REVIEWED THE ORDER AND ARE YOU COMFORTABLE THAT, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE OKAY TO PROCEED NOW? UH, I HAVE AND I AM.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? NOPE.
I MOVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUESTED BY DAVID A. DOWNS FOR A SHORT TERM, UH, TOURIST RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
OPPOSED? AYES A WOULD BE FOR ON THE BOARD SUPERVISORS.
[H. R2023-12-01 - Foresight Design Services - A rezoning application to amend the Warren County Zoning Map to rezone a 5.04-acre parcel from Agricultural (A) to Commercial (C). The property is located at 99 Cedar Park Court and identified on tax map 12E as lot 6. The property is located in the North River Magisterial District and the proposed by-right land use is for a hotel/motel and future restaurant. The future land use zoning map in the Comprehensive Plan is shown as Commercial zoning for this property. - Matt Wendling, Planning Director]
NEXT PUBLIC HEARING, R 20 23 12 0 1 FORESIGHT DESIGN SERVICES, A REZONING APPLICATION TO AMEND WARREN COUNTY ZONING MAP TO REZONE 5.0.FOUR ACRE PARCEL FROM AGRICULTURAL TO COMMERCIAL PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 99 CEDAR PARK COURT, IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 12 E IS LOT SIX PROPERTY IS LOCATED NORTH RIVER MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT AND PROPOSED BUYRIGHT LAND USE IS FOR A HOTEL SLASH MOTEL IN FUTURE RESTAURANTS.
THE FUTURE LAND USE ZONING MAP AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS SHOWN AS COMMERCIAL ZONING FOR THIS, UH, PROPERTY.
UH, SUBJECT PROPERTY IS IN PART IN THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT ADJACENT TO THE MARRIOTT HOTEL OFF COUNTRY CLUB ROAD IN CAROLINE COURT.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING THE REZONING OF THE PROPERTY FOR, UH, COMMERCIAL USE FOR A HOTEL MOTEL.
A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WILL BE REQUIRED, UH, TO ALLOW THE FIVE STORY HOTEL WITH AN INCREASE OF HEIGHT OF, UH, 62 FEET FROM THE 40 FEET THAT IS, UH, ALLOWED IN THE CONDITION IN THE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.
THAT WILL BE THE FOLLOWING, UH, UH, AGENDA ITEM.
THE CONCEPT PLAN FOR THE, EXCUSE ME, FOR THIS PROPERTY ALSO IDENTIFIES AREAS OF FUTURE DEVELOPMENT FOR RETAIL STRIP PLAZA AND RESTAURANT, AS MENTIONED BY THE CHAIRMAN, UH, WHICH ARE ALSO BY RIGHT USES IN THE COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT.
UM, THE, UH, COUNTY DID, UH, PUT TOGETHER, UH, SOME MAPS RELATING TO FUTURE LAND USE, UH, FOR THE PROPERTY.
IF WE COULD JUST MOVE FORWARD, THERE'S A MAP FROM 1997.
SO THIS IS OUR CORRIDOR MAP FROM 1997.
IF YOU COULD SEE IN THAT, UH, ALMOST CENTRAL AREA DOWN THERE BY, UM, UH, THE, UH, SHOPPING CENTER, THE, THE FUTURE LAND USE KIND OF ENCROACHES A LITTLE BIT, UH, TO THE, WELL, IT'S BASICALLY TO A LITTLE BIT TO THE EDGE OF THE, UH, WHERE, YEAH.
AND, UM, IF WE GO WHENEVER THAT'S 19 97, 98, UH, IT, IT GOES BASICALLY OVER TO, UH, THE EDGE OF A HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY IN, UH, THE 2005.
AND THEN IN 2013, UH, YOU CAN SEE WHERE IT ENCOMPASSES ALL OF THAT, UH, SUBDIVISION AND, UH, PORTION OF THE COUNTY PROPERTY OWNED TO THE EAST OF THAT AND, UH, PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH.
SO, UM, THAT BASICALLY IS THE, UH, HOW THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS TRANSPIRED AS FAR AS THE, THE GROWTH OF FUTURE LAND USE.
UM, THE, UH, APPLICANT HAS ALSO PROVIDED US WITH, UH, A ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT AND COMMUNITY IMPACT STATEMENTS, WHICH WERE PROVIDED TO YOU.
AND, UH, JUST TODAY, UH, A REVISED, UH, PROFFER STATEMENT FOR, UH, THE REZONING, WHICH, UH, WERE PROVIDED TO YOU PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
UM, THE APPLICANT'S ENGINEER IS HERE THIS EVENING.
UH, MR. JOHN NEAL REPRESENT FORESIGHT, UH, DESIGN ENGINEERING, AND, UM, HE'D LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROJECT.
GOOD EVENING CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
APPRECIATE YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.
I'M AN ENGINEER WITH FORESITE DESIGN 1260 RADFORD STREET, CHRISTIANBURG, VIRGINIA.
I THINK I'M FOLLOWING THE RIGHT FORMAT THERE.
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I DO HAVE A, A BRIEF PRESENTATION.I DON'T KNOW IF MATT, CAN YOU ALL CALL? DO YOU WANT TO GO BACK A LITTLE BIT? I THINK THAT THESE WERE THE ITEMS, OR, OR IS THIS ANOTHER, UH, HELPING YOU OUT? WELL, WE PROVIDED YOU WITH THE POWERPOINT.
UM, ONE OF THE COUPLE OF THINGS I'D JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT, I, IF I MAY, UM, REPRESENTING RAG PATEL WITH, UH, BELLA HOSPITALITY SCHROCK'S HERE IN THE AUDIENCE.
HE'S AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE AS WELL.
UM, SCHRAG, WE ARE ACTUALLY STARTING CONSTRUCTION, UH, VERY SOON ON A, A NEW HOME, TWO SUITES IN WINCHESTER.
UM, AND WE'RE PROPOSING A HOME TWO SUITES HERE, UH, FOR THIS SITE AS WELL.
RAG IS THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, UH, AT THIS TIME, UM, PROPOSING A FIVE STORY, 107 BEDROOM HOTEL.
UM, AND THEN ALSO, UH, BESIDE IT, A FUTURE, UH, RESTAURANT, FAST CASUAL RESTAURANT.
AND THEN ACROSS, UH, CAROLINE DRIVE, UH, ADJACENT TO THE MARRIOTT.
THERE A SMALL, UH, STRIP CENTER WITH POSSIBLE, UM, LIKE A SUBWAY, UH, A NAIL SALON, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
UM, SMALL, UH, STRIP COMMERCIAL.
THIS, THIS PROPERTY IS FIVE ACRES.
UM, SO WE DO HAVE QUITE A BIT, BUT IT IS IN THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT.
AND I DO CERTAINLY, UH, COMMEND Y'ALL.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I SAW AS, AS MATT WAS GOING THROUGH THOSE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS, YOU ARE ACTUALLY PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE, UM, AND THINKING ABOUT THINGS IN THE FUTURE.
I'VE, I'VE NOTICED IN A LOT OF LOCALITIES THAT WE WORK IN, SOMETIMES THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THOSE FUTURE LAND USE MAPS ARE REALLY CURRENT LAND USE MAPS INSTEAD OF FUTURE LAND USE MAPS.
UH, SO WITH THAT COMES, UM, PROPOSALS SUCH AS THIS.
UM, AND WE ARE IN THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT.
WE DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY ADVERSE IMPACTS.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ADDED, I KNOW YOU RECEIVED A COUPLE OF LETTERS AND I, I REVIEWED THOSE.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS WE NOTICED THAT PEOPLE ON CEDAR PARK COURT WERE CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, WE PUT IN OUR PROFFER STATEMENT ABSOLUTELY NO ACCESS WHATSOEVER, BOTH CONSTRUCTION OR PERMANENT TRAFFIC, UM, ACCESS TO CEDAR PARK COURT.
ALL OF OUR ACCESS WILL GO TO CAROLINE DRIVE.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ALSO HAVE PROPOSED IS TO COMPLETE, UM, IN Y'ALL'S MASTER PLAN, YOU SHOW A, A LONG CONNECTION, CAROLINE DRIVE, KIND OF PARALLELING, UM, THE STREET THERE.
WE WERE PROPOSING TO EXTEND THAT AND TAKE OUR PORTION OF THAT AND CONSTRUCT IT.
CHAR'S GONNA GO AHEAD AND BUILD THAT WITH, UH, THE STREET AND THE SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES.
UM, AND THEN WE ARE DOING A SMALL CONNECTION.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE MARRIOTT, I THINK, BUILT THEIR PORTION OF CAROLINE DRIVE, THEY DIDN'T COME RIGHT UP TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO IN OUR PROFFER, WE'RE, WE'RE PROPOSING TO GO AHEAD AND TAKE CARE OF THAT LITTLE SECTION AS WELL THAT WASN'T CONSTRUCTED.
UM, AND, UM, AND WATER AND SEWER BY THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL AND OUR STORM WATER MANAGEMENT WILL ADHERE TO ALL THE LATEST REGULATIONS THAT WARREN COUNTY HAS AND THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY.
I HAVE, LIKE I SAID, I HAVE THIS PRESENTATION.
I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
UM, AND I CAN SHARE THIS WITH YOU AND LET Y'ALL PASS IT AROUND IF, IF YOU WANT TO AND ALL.
ACTUALLY, MR. CHAIRMAN, I DID, UH, HAVE IT PUT IN THE PACKETS, SO, OKAY.
IT'S ON ITEM 17 IN THE PACKET.
AND SO IT DOES, UH, YOU, I MEAN, IF YOU, YOU WANT TO, YOU CAN KIND OF GO THROUGH THAT A LITTLE BIT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR, ALRIGHT.
AND I'M SORRY, ON AIRPLANE, WE ALSO ARE PROVIDING BUFFER TREES ALL ALONG THE, UH, BORDER TO THE, TO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE PAGE THERE AS LOOK TO THE EAST.
UM, AND THEN ALSO THE, THE ACTUAL BUFFER REQUIRED BY CODE THAT'S TO THE NORTH ALONG THAT PROPERTY AS WELL.
BUT WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING IT TO THE EAST, UM, CEDAR PARK COURT.
WHAT KIND OF TREES ARE THERE? UH, WE, WE HAVE NOT DESIGNATED THOSE SPECIFICALLY.
WE'D BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY STAFF ON WHAT THEY WOULD DESIRE.
WE WOULD ASSUME THAT THEY WOULD WANT EVERGREENS.
WELL, IS THERE TREES CURRENTLY THERE IN THERE, THERE TREES, SEA AREA THERE? THERE'S VARIOUS TREES ON THE SITE.
BECAUSE ONE THING I'VE NOTICED IS YOU GET SOME, THERE'S PRETTY NICE HOMES BACK THERE.
WE, AND TYPICALLY LELAND CYPRESS ARE PROBABLY THE FASTEST GROWING EVERGREEN YEAH.
WE'D BE HAPPY TO, TO INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE MASTER PLAN, UM, TO PLANT THOSE.
AND WE'LL, WE'LL CERTAINLY PRESERVE AS MANY OF THE EXISTING AS WE COULD.
UM, BUT AT, BUT AT THIS TIME, AT THIS, UH, CONCEPTUAL PLAN STAGE AND REZONING CAN'T DETERMINE THAT SPECIFICALLY.
ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS TO NOTE
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IS CAROLINE IS, UH, DECENTLY LOWER, UH, THAN CEDAR PARK COURT THERE IN THOSE HOUSES.SO WE'LL BE, WE'LL BE DOWN BELOW THEM AS WELL.
I'LL JUST MENTION ALSO THAT, UH, THE SITE PLAN WOULD BE ANOTHER COMPONENT OF THIS.
IF IT WERE TO BE APPROVED, COUNTY STAFF WOULD REVIEW THAT AND AS A VI RIGHT.
USE, UM, WE WOULD BE BRINGING THAT BACK TO YOU JUST FOR FINAL APPROVAL.
WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT IT LOOKS FINE.
WE'LL ADDRESS ANY TYPE OF A SCREENING WITH ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
UM, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER TREE SPECIES THAT WE LIKE TO UTILIZE ALSO THAT ARE FAST GROWING AND, AND, UH, WE CAN LOOK AT SOME POTENTIALLY AESTHETICALLY LOOKING GOOD, UH, FENCING THAT COULD POTENTIALLY PROVIDE SOME, BOTH SECURITY FOR THOSE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE, THE HOTEL.
ONE OF THE, I NOTICED IN ONE OF THE OTHER, UH, NEIGHBOR LETTERS, THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERN ABOUT THE LIGHTING, UH, AND THE SIGNAGE.
UM, OUR SIGNAGE, IF YOU'VE EVER SEEN A HOME TWO SUITES, IT'S, IT'S RELATIVELY, ONE OF THE THINGS, IT'S A SUITES PROPERTY, SO IT TRIES TO BE MORE RESIDENTIAL IN NATURE.
UM, SO I NOTICED TOWN PLACE HAS A PRETTY BIG SIGN ON IT THERE.
UM, HOME TWO ONLY HAS A SMALL SIGN ON THE FRONT OF THE, OF THE BUILDING.
SO THAT WOULD BE ACTUALLY FACING OUT TOWARDS CAROLINE DRIVE, UH, AND WOULD BE SHIELDED FROM ANY OF THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES ON CEDAR PARK COURT.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANY VISIBILITY TO 5 22, SO RIGHT.
ARE YOU LOOKING AT A FLAT OR A PICTURE OF WHERE YOU COULD DRESS UP THE TOP OF THE BUILDING A LITTLE BIT? I, I'M SORRY.
I DON'T, ARE YOU LOOKING TO A FLAT ROOF OR A PITCHED ROOF? OH, I THINK IT'D BE A FLAT ROOF.
TYPICALLY ON HOME TWO, THAT'S, THERE WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT FOR THE SCREENING OF THE MECHANICAL UNITS UP ON THAT, ON THE TOP OF BUILDING.
I WAS, BUT WE'RE PASSING NOW WE'RE, WE'RE REQUESTING ON THE CUP AND I, I'M ASSUMING WE'RE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT BOTH OF THESE AT THE SAME TIME.
UM, I LEARNED A LONG TIME AGO.
I'M, I'M AN ENGINEER, NOT AN ARCHITECT.
UH, WHEN THE ARCHITECT TELLS US, HEY, I, IT'S GONNA BE 58 FEET, UM, I DON'T PUT IN THAT REQUEST 58 FEET
IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE AROUND 58 TO 60 FEET.
UM, BUT WE CERTAINLY TRY TO ALLOW, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF BUFFER THERE.
ANYBODY GOT ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS WE'LL CALL YOU WITH THAT PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
ANYONE SIGN UP TO SPEAK? MR. WEST? YES.
PARDON ME? I AM RALPH WEST, 1 64.
STATE OF PARK COURT RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
THIS IS, HEY, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING, UH, OTHER THAN WHAT I'VE GOT IN THE LETTER THAT Y'ALL HAVE THERE, YOU KNOW, BIGGEST THING IS NOISE, LIGHT POLLUTION AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, UH, RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT TONS OF POLLUTION COMING FROM THE, UH, ELECTRIC PLANT BEHIND US.
WE'VE GOT TONS OF POLLUTION COMING FROM OVER, UH, 5 22, 3 40 COMING IN THERE.
AND YOU GO OUT IN THE MORNING AND YOU LOOK AT YOUR CAR AND IT'S GOT DIRT ON IT, LIKE, YOU KNOW, BLACK DIRT.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S COMING BASICALLY FROM THE ELECTRIC PLANT.
'CAUSE ABOUT ONE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, THEY'RE CLEANING THEIR PIPES OUT.
SO, BUT IT'S JUST GONNA BE MORE AGGRAVATION FOR THE STUFF THAT THEY'RE GONNA BRING IN THERE.
I MEAN, IF HE'S GOT FIVE STORIES, WHICH TO ME IS TOO TALL, UH, THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE HOW MANY ROOMS? 50 ROOMS, 60 ROOMS? I DON'T KNOW.
I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING ON THAT, YOU KNOW, BUT I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S A WHOLE LOT OF AC UH, ACCOMMODATION.
YOU FIGURE THERE'S LEAST TWO, TWO PEOPLE IN EVERY CAR.
YOU GOT A WHOLE LOT OF TRAFFIC THERE.
THERE'S PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE GOING IN AND OUT DOWN THE ROAD TO GET SOMETHING TO EAT AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
IT IS, IT IS GONNA BE A, A LOT OF POLLUTION.
THE OTHER THING I GUESS THAT GET REALLY CONCERNED, ME TOO, WE'RE ALL IN, WELL, WATER SYSTEMS BACK THERE.
EVERYBODY IS, AND I KNOW THAT THE TOWN WENT THROUGH A MAJOR DROUGHT THIS PAST YEAR.
WE HAD DROUGHT PROVISIONS AND YOU WERE ON RESTRICTIONS.
YOU COULDN'T WASH YOUR CARS AND STUFF LIKE THAT IN THE TOWN.
AND TECHNICALLY YOU REALLY SHOULDN'T HAVE WASHED THEM IN THE COUNTY.
YOU GO ON A WILL, BUT THIS IS ONLY GONNA ADD MORE AGGRAVATION
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TO THAT SYSTEM.AND I KNOW I WAS TALKING ABOUT MATT THERE, YOU KNOW, HE SAYS, WELL, THE CAN, THE TOWNS LOOKED AT IT, SAID, WE CAN, WE CAN HANDLE IT.
I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT REALLY THREE OR FOUR BUILDINGS THERE, WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, NOT JUST THE MOTEL, BUT LOOK AT ALL THE WATER CONSUMPTION THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE JUST IN THE MOTEL.
IF THEY PUT, PUT WHERE THE HOUSE IS THERE NOW OR RESTAURANT, YOU KNOW, A RESTAURANT'S GOTTA HAVE AT LEAST 200, 300 PEOPLE A DAY IN ORDER TO MAKE IT THESE DAYS.
AND THEN ON THAT CASE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHAT TWO GALLONS OF WATER FOR EVERY PERSON RUN GOING THROUGH THERE.
YOU GOTTA DO THE DISHES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
I MAJOR CONCERN THAT OUR TOWN'S GONNA RUN OUTTA WATER AND THAT'S GONNA F**K EVERYBODY IN HERE.
AND, AND I'M WORRIED ABOUT FIRE AND POLICE ALSO THE ABILITY TO RESPOND.
I GOT A PERSON ON THEIR FIFTH, SIXTH FLOOR, WHATEVER HAS A HEART ATTACK, BE ABLE TO GET BACK IN THERE.
RIGHT NOW THEIR MARRIAGE'S GOT PEOPLE PARKING AT THE END OF THEIR STREET WITH, WITH BOX TRAILERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
I KNOW, I KNEW Y'ALL WENT OUT THERE AND LOOKED AT IT ONE DAY.
AND AS A SI SIDE POINT, CERTAINLY THREE MINUTES ARE UP.
BUT AS A SIDE POINT, ASK MATT TODAY, IF Y'ALL HAVE DONE A CIVIL WAR EVALUATION, THEN MY GREAT-GRANDFATHER MARK MARKS THROUGH THERE ON HIS WAY TO HARPERS FERRY.
ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? SEE NO ONE COME FORWARD.
SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, REPEAT, HOW MANY ROOMS WERE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE? A HUNDRED SEVEN, A HUNDRED AND SEVENTY SEVEN.
SO WE'RE VOTING FOR THE ZONING BREAK OUT.
BUT, AND AS FAR AS THE TOWN'S WATER AND SEWER CAPABLE OF HANDLING IT OR NOT, OR THE EXPERTS ON IT, AND I HAVE TO TAKE THEIR WORD.
THE COUNTY DOES HAVE A PILOT AGREEMENT WITH THE TOWN TO SERVE, UH, COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL RIGHT FACILITIES.
AND UH, BASICALLY, UH, TYPICALLY IT'S AT A HIGHER RATE, UH, FOR THE COST OF THAT AND THEN ALSO HIGHER RATE FOR THE HOOKUP FEES AND WHATNOT.
SO, UM, THEY WOULD ASSESS WHETHER THEY COULD HANDLE THAT.
REZONE THE, IS AN APPROPRIATE FOR THE PUBLIC NECESSITY AND GOOD FOR THE ZONING PRACTICE.
I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST TO THOSE REZONE AND CHANGE THE ZONING MAP, UH, CLASSIFICATION OF THE PROPERTY IDENTIFIED ON MAP 12 E AS PARCEL SIX FROM AGRICULTURAL TO COMMERCIAL.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
AND THAT'LL BE FORWARDED ON THE LAST
[I. CUP2023-12-03 - Foresight Design Services - A request for a conditional use permit for a Building Height in Excess of 40' within the Highway Corridor Overlay District and Commercial zoning district for a proposed building height of 62'. The property is located at 99 Cedar Park Court and identified on tax map 12E, lot 6. The property is zoned Agricultural (A) and located in the Vernon L. Kemp subdivision and in the North River Magisterial District. - Matt Wendling, Planning Director]
PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT.FORESIGHT DESIGN SERVICES REQUEST FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A BUILDING HEIGHT IN EXCESS OF 40 FEET WITHIN THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT AND COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT FOR A PROPOSED BUILDING HEIGHT OF 62 FEET PROPERTIES LOCATED AT 99 CEDAR PARK COURT IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 12 E LOT SIX PROPERTY OWNED AGRICULTURAL LOCATED IN THE VERNON EL KEMP SUBDIVISION IN THE NORTH RIVER MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.
THE UH, REASON FOR THIS, UH, REQUEST FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS BECAUSE OUR CODE LIMITS, UH, HEIGHTS IN THE INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICTS TO 40 FEET.
UH, AND ANYTHING ABOVE THAT REQUIRES A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
UH, THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED THIS, UH, IN ORDER TO GET THE, UH, STATED 62 FEET HEIGHT LIMIT, UH, COUNTY STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
NUMBER ONE, THE HOTEL SHALL NOT EXCEED 62 FEET IN HEIGHT.
UH, NUMBER TWO, THE EXTERIOR FACADE OF THE
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HOTEL SHALL INCLUDE STONE AND FO STONE FACADE ACCENTS AND STANDING SEA METAL ROOF AS REQUIRED BY THE PROFFERS FOR THIS SITE.UH, NUMBER THREE, AC ARCHITECTURAL RENDERINGS OF THE HOTEL SHALL BE APPROVED BY THE PLAINTIFF COMMISSION DURING THE FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL PROCESS.
NUMBER FOUR, ALL MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT SHALL BE SHIELDED AND SCREENED FROM PUBLIC VIEW AND DESIGNED TO BE PERCEIVED AS AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE BUILDING.
NUMBER FIVE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY, UH, EXCUSE ME, VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS, WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, UH, APPLICABLE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.
AND NUMBER SIX, UH, DUMPSTER TRASH COLLECTION AREA SHALL BE SCREENED FROM VIEW AS REQUIRED BY THE ZONING ORDINANCE WITH MATERIALS COHESIVE WITH THE BUILDING.
UM, I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
AND AGAIN, MR. NEIL IS HERE AVAILABLE TO ANY ANSWERING? I'M ASSUMING NOTHING ELSE TO ADD? NO, SIR.
IF THAT PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN, ANY SIGN EASE, HE WOULDN'T CARE TO SPEAK ANYHOW, WITH THAT PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
UH, UM, THINKING ON THE 62 FOOT HEIGHT AND TRYING TO CORRELATE THINGS, DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT THE HEIGHT IS OF THE DOUBLE TREE UP THERE? IT'S, UH, SEVEN FLOOR, SO IT WOULD BE 80 FEET.
OKAY, SO WE'RE TALKING SHORTER THAN THAT THEN.
AND I BELIEVE MARRIOTT'S AROUND 58, 54, 54 58 IN NAPAL PARK.
SO WE'RE NOT LOOKING THAT MUCH TALLER THAN WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE.
NO, IT'S AN ADDITIONAL F FLOOR.
NOW YOU, ON THE PROVERB, YOU SAID THE STANDING SCENE BUILT ROOF, METAL ROOF, SO THAT MEANS IT'S A PITCHED ROOF.
WHATEVER ACCENTS THEY HAVE TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, WILL REQUEST THAT OR THEY COULD BE AN ACCENT AROUND YEAH.
THE PERIMETER THAT'S SHIELDING THE MECHANICAL.
AND WE'LL, WE'LL REVIEW ANY RENDERINGS OF THAT, ANY COLOR RENDERINGS OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY DURING THE SITE PLAN PHASE.
UM, AND AGAIN, BECAUSE IT IS PARTIALLY IN THE, UH, OVERLAY DISTRICT, WE WILL APPLY THOSE STANDARDS.
BUT THE 62 FEET IS OCCUPIED LEVEL, UH, HEIGHT? NO.
WELL, IT'S THE HEIGHT AT THE TOP OF THE BUILDING.
IT'S THE HEIGHT TO THE TOP OF THE BUILDING.
WAS ALSO ABLE TO LOCATE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR, UH, THE MARRIOTT.
IT WAS A 60 FOOT HEIGHT ALLOWANCE THAT WAS GRANTED THROUGH THAT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
FIRE DEPARTMENT'S GOT A BIGGER TRUCK FOR
I WILL MENTION, SPEAKING OF FIRE TRUCKS, THE APPLICANT HAS INCLUDED, UH, CASH PROPERTIES TOWARD THE FIRE AND RESCUE, UM, FOR THE, THE STRUCTURE ALSO AS PART OF THE PROPERTIES.
SO ON, ON THE STANDING SEA METAL ROOF, UM, RECOMMENDED CONDITION.
THAT'S A PROPER, IS IT, IS IT CALLED A ROOF? IF IT IS A SCREEN? I, I JUST THINK THAT THAT BY CALLING A, A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF, I MEAN THAT IS A, THAT IS A, A TERM THAT, THAT YOU KNOW, MEANS IT IS THE ROOF.
IT'S NOT LIKE A MECHANICAL SCREEN.
WELL THAT'S ON THE PROFFERED STATEMENT THOUGH.
CORRECT? LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THAT REAL QUICK HERE, IF YOU MIND.
I LOOKED OVER, I DIDN'T, IS THAT A QUESTION WE CAN ASK THE APPLICANT IF THAT WAS INTENDED? YEAH, LET'S, LET'S BRING HIM UP.
UM, AND, AND I APOLOGIZE, I'M NOT SURE IT'S NOT IN OUR PROFFER STATEMENT, ANYTHING ABOUT STANDING SEAM? WE CERTAINLY HAVE ALL THE, THE STONE ACCENTS AND, AND BRICK AND ACCENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, PRETTY NICE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN.
AND WE, WE MAY HAVE SOME STANDING SEAM ON THE CASHIER, THE DRIVE THROUGH AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT THE ROOF WOULD BE A FLAT ROOF WAS THE INTENTION.
UM, AND I THINK MAYBE THAT'S WAS ON YOUR ALL'S CONDITIONS FROM A PREVIOUS PLANT OR SOMETHING, WAS WHAT, I GUESS YEAH, THAT POTENTIALLY COULD BE IT.
THERE'S A BIG PRICE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF YEAH.
BUT OUR INTENTION IS IT'LL BE A, A FLAT ROOF.
I, I WOULD THINK THAT PROBABLY WE COULD AMEND THAT PORTION OF, UH, CONDITION THERE.
AND, UH, JUST JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM.
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STANDARD IN THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY, SO.WE WOULD LOOK FOR THAT, YOU KNOW, DURING THE, THE SITE PLAN REVIEW PHASE.
BUT YEAH, WE CAN REMOVE THAT, UH, PORTION AND STANDING SEA METAL ROOF AS REQUIRED BY PROFFERS, UH, AS WE MOVE IT FORWARD TO THE BOARD.
ANYBODY GOT ANYTHING ELSE? UH, ANOTHER QUESTION FOR STAFF.
UM, SO WITH THE HEIGHT, THE, THE EXCEPTION FOR THE HEIGHT, ARE WE, IS IT THEN DEF OR IS IT LIMITED TO BE A HOTEL? UM, AS PART OF THAT OR IT'S A BUILDING CAN BE 62 FEET.
I BELIEVE IT'S A BUILDING, UH, CHASE.
SO I KNOW IN OUR RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WE STATE THE HOTEL SHALL NOT EXCEED 62 FEET IN HEIGHT, ARE WE? I I MEAN, I I WANT TO SAY THAT IT IS A HOTEL, IT HAS INTERIOR CORRIDORS.
UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS WELL, I I JUST SPECIFIED THAT AS PART OF THE APPLICATION IN THIS.
I MEAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY CHANGE IT TO A BUILDING IF THAT OH NO, NO.
I, I'D LIKE IT TO BE, WELL, THERE, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, RIGHT? ONE IS THE REZONING, WHICH YOU Y'ALL JUST ACTED TO RECOMMEND.
AND THERE'S NO HEIGHT RESTRICTION COUPLED WITH THAT.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE ARE BY RIGHT USES AND THOSE WOULD BE NOT SUBJECT TO ANY RESTRICTION OTHER THAN THE GENERAL RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE ALREADY IN COUNTY CODE.
NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CUP FOR THE HOTEL USE AND THE HEIGHT RESTRICTION IS SPECIFIC TO THAT.
SO IT'S A RESTRICTION THAT APPLIES TO A HOTEL ON THE PROPERTY.
AM I OKAY? THAT CORRECT? I JUST, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, AND I, I, YOU KNOW, HUMP TWO SUITES WOULD MEET THIS, BUT THAT IT IS INTERIOR CORRIDORS AND NOT EXTERIOR CORRIDORS.
WHEN I MEAN SEE THE HOTEL AND NOT THE MOTEL FROM THE COUNTY'S PERSPECTIVE, WHEN WE, I'M JUST THINKING NOW I'VE GOT MY ENFORCEMENT HAT ON.
WHEN STAFF CALLS ME UP AND SAYS, HEY, WE WENT OUT AND WE MEASURED, PUT A TAPE MEASURE ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING, I'M GONNA MEASURE FROM THE BOTTOM TO THE TOP.
AND, AND THAT'S HOW I WOULD INTERPRET THE CONDITION.
UH, SO I'M NOT, THAT WOULD BE AN EXTERIOR MEASUREMENT, NOT AN INTERIOR.
I MEAN THE CORRIDORS ARE INTERIOR TO THE BUILDING SO THAT IT'S A SINGLE CORRIDOR WITH ROOMS OFF THE SIDE VERSUS A MOTEL THAT WOULD HAVE THE CORRIDORS ON THE OUTSIDE AND THE ROOMS INSIDE.
WE, WE'D HAPPILY ACCEPT THE ADDITION OF A CONDITION THAT THE CORRIDORS OR INTERIOR BUILDING.
WE'D BE HAPPY TO ACCEPT THAT CONDITION ADD.
UM, AND I'M SORRY IF I WAS MISUNDERSTANDING.
I WAS TRYING TO VISUALIZE THIS TOO.
HELL LOT CHEAPER TO PUT THEM IN INTERIOR.
YEAH, YOU GOT CANTILEVERED ALL YOUR, THE SITE PLAN SHALL, UH, REQUIRE THAT ALL CORRIDORS TO THE STRUCTURE BE INTERIOR.
ANYTHING ELSE? MOTION YOU WANT? YOU MADE THE CHANGE
UH, MR. CHAIR, I MOVE THAT THE PLAINTIFF COMMISSION FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST OF FORESIGHT DESIGN SERVICES TO ALLOW FOR A HOTEL WITH THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 62 FEET WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF MODIFIED TO INCLUDE AN ITEM SEVEN.
UH, THAT IN THAT, UH, ALL CORRIDORS ARE INTERIOR TO THE STRUCTURE AND TO REVISIT THE STANDING SEA METAL ROOF REQUIREMENT IN CONDITION TWO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
THERE'LL BE FORWARDED ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
THAT IS IT FOR OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS TONIGHT.
[VII. Tems A, B and C]
NEW BUSINESS 2023 ANNUAL REPORT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, MR. WINLAND.PLANNING STA LEMME GET, LEMME GET TO THIS ONE.
COUNTY PLANNING STAFF, UH, THAT INCLUDES ALL OF US HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THE 2023 ANNUAL PLANNING COMMISSION REPORT TO THE BOARD, WHICH, UH, IN THE PAST MONTH AND A HALF, UH,
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THIS DOCUMENT HAS BEEN UPDATED WITH DATA FROM 2023, INCLUDING TEXT TABLES, GRAPHS, MATT'S MAPS, GRAPHICS, AND PHOTOS.UH, I'LL MENTION THIS EFFORT WAS AN ALL HANDS EFFORT ON DECK, UH, ONE DECK EFFORT.
I'D LIKE TO THANK OUR, OUR STAFF, UM, HERE, CHASE, DAVID, ALLISON, AND COREY, UH, ASSISTING WITH THE PRODUCTION OF THIS DOCUMENT.
UH, THIS DOCUMENT IS REQUIRED FOR US TO SUBMIT TO THE BOARD ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.
UM, WE'VE, UH, TRIED TO ADDRESS EVERYTHING THAT WE TYPICALLY DO DURING THE, THE, UH, REPORT TO THE BOARD IN, IN IT.
AND, UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER THOSE.
UM, WE DID UTILIZE THE COUNTY'S NEW, UH, UH, LOGO AND SLOGAN, IF YOU'LL NOTICE THAT ON PAGE ONE AND ON THE LAST LAST PAGES.
AND UM, SO, UM, AND THEN WE TRIED TO INCORPORATE SOME, SOME NEW IMAGERY, NEW NEW PHOTOS AND SOME, UH, OVERHEAD DRONE IMAGERY, UM, THAT WAS ACCESSIBLE THIS TIME.
UM, I ALSO LIKE TO MENTION, UM, UH, CORY GRIFFITH, OUR GIS COORDINATOR PROVIDED US WITH, UH, A REVISED, UH, WARREN COUNTY HOUSING COMPARATIVE HOUSING LANDSCAPE, UH, MAP THIS YEAR.
THAT, UH, 2023 VERSUS 2022 ON PAGE FIVE MM-HMM,
AND THEN ALSO, UM, THE SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL MAP, UM, LATER ON DOWN HERE.
WHAT PAGE IS THAT WE HAVE, UH, THAT IS PAGE 14.
AND A NEW MAP THAT HE ACTUALLY CREATED THIS YEAR THAT WE THOUGHT WOULD BE GOOD TO INCORPORATE IS ON PAGE NINE FOR PARTIAL BOUNDARY TRANSFORMATIONS FOR WARREN COUNTY 2023.
UM, HE, HE'S SHOWING EACH INDIVIDUAL, UH, ELECTION DISTRICT, UM, WITHIN ON THOSE MAP WITH A CENTRAL INDEX MAP.
UM, AND THAT SHOWS SOME OF THE, UH, CHANGES THAT WERE MADE AFTER THE CENSUS, UM, WAS DONE.
SO, UM, YEAH, WE, WE ARE, WE'RE PRETTY PROUD OF THIS DOCUMENT, UM, TOOK A LOT OF EFFORT ON EVERYBODY'S PART AND WE HOPE THAT IT PROVIDES YOU WITH A GOOD AMOUNT OF INFORMATION AS TO WHAT YOU AND THE COUNTY STAFF HAS DONE IN THIS IN 2023.
ANYBODY GOT ANYTHING? AND I REMEMBER THESE IN PRIOR YEARS.
WE NEED A MOTION TO FORWARD IT ONTO THE BOARD, CORRECT? YES, WE DO.
AND I'M NOT SURE, DID I INCLUDE THAT ON? YES, IT'S INCLUDED SIZE IF I DIDN'T.
DO YOU WANT TO GO? NO, I CAN MAKE A MOTION IF YOU GUYS ARE READY, PLEASE.
UM, I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THE 2023 ANNUAL PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH REVIEW AND FINAL APPROVAL.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
OPPOSED? AYES HAVING BE FORWARD TO THE BOARD.
[Vlll. Consent Agenda ]
IS THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR THE AUTHORIZATION TO ADVERTISE FOR NEXT MONTH.MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
[IX. Commission Matters]
YOU GOT ANYTHING, SIR? WELL, I DO NOT, SCOTT, IN READING THROUGH OUR, THE ANNUAL REPORT AND WHAT WE'RE DOING ALMOST EVERY MONTH HERE, I'VE LOOKED AT A COUPLE OF THE, THIS MONTH'S, WHAT DO YOU CALL 'EM? UH, SHORT TERM RENTALS.ONE IN SPECIFIC WAS ON THE MARKET FOR 2 29 MM-HMM.
UH, I DON'T KNOW, IS THERE A WAY WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT HOW MANY SHORT TERM RENTALS WE HAVE COMPARED TO HOW MANY HOMES TO SEE IF WE GET A 10%, 20%? I HAVE.
I HAVE, AND IT'S A CONCERN I'VE HEARD FROM, UH, CLUB MEMBERS AT THE GOLF COURSE.
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ARE GUYS ARE PLAYING GOLF ALMOST EVERY DAY.SO YOU THINK THERE WOULD BE SOMEWHAT WELL-HEELED, UH, BUT THEIR TRADESMEN, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING, I CAN'T MOVE OUTTA MY HOUSE.
SO, UH, EVEN AT 225,000 AT $1,700 A MONTH IN TODAY'S INTEREST RATE, AND YEAH, AND IT'S A TWO BEDROOM, ONE BATH.
MY CONCERN IS WE TALK ABOUT IN THE LONG RANGE PLAN, WE HEAR BOARD MEMBERS TALK ABOUT IT, BUT THERE'S DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ANY VISION OR ANY MECHANISM TO GET IN, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIZE, I DON'T THINK THE COUNTY WANTS TO GET INTO THAT, OR
BUT THERE ARE WAYS THAT YOU CAN INCENTIVIZE DEVELOPERS IF THEY'RE PUTTING IN 15 HOMES OR A PERCENTAGE OF THE HOMES THEY'RE PUTTING IN HAS TO MEET THE PRICE HAS TO BE AFFORDABLE TO 75% OF THE MEDIUM INCOME FOR THE COUNTY.
SO I, I THINK WAYS THAT WE COULD DO THAT WOULD BE PROFFERS TO, UM, BASICALLY INCREASE DENSITY.
I MEAN, THAT, THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE MORE HOUSING TO HAVE CHEAPER HOUSING.
SO, WELL, NOT NECESSARILY, THEY WOULD MAKE IT A LITTLE SMALLER.
THEY'D MAKE IT A LITTLE LESS EXPENSIVE, BUT THEY'RE NOT, EVERYTHING'S NOT GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, FAR 4,000 SQUARE FEET.
BUT WHAT BENEFIT DOES THE DEVELOPER HAVE TO DO THAT? BECAUSE YOU'RE TAKING MONEY OFF THE TABLE FOR THEM.
SO IF YOU WANT THEM TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, YOU'VE GOTTA GIVE THEM A REASON TO, TO ACT DIFFERENTLY.
WELL, AND YOU WOULD DO THAT BY GIVING THEM, IF YOU GO INTO PUBLIC CITY, WELL, IF YOU GO INTO LOUDOUN, FAIRFAX COUNTY, ALEXANDRIA, THOSE ARE THE THREE I KNOW OF.
YOU'RE REQUIRED, IF YOU HAVE SO MANY HOMES, A PERCENTAGE OF THOSE HAVE TO MEET THE 75% MEDIUM INCOME AFFORDABILITY.
SO, SO I KNOW THERE ARE DIFFERENT GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS THAT YOU CAN GET MONEY AND THAT THAT IS WHAT IS MAKING UP THE DIFFERENCE OF, OF WHAT YOU'RE GIVING UP.
BUT IF, UM, SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE SHOULD HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT FOR EVERY, IF YOU'RE GONNA BUILD 10 HOMES, ONE OF 70 OR A DEVELOPMENT, A PLAN DEVELOPMENT, THAT A PERCENTAGE OF THAT PLAN DEVELOPMENT MEETS AT SEVEN.
SO IT'S A 75% OF MEDIUM INCOME.
SO USUALLY WHAT THAT MEANS IS ABOUT 75% OF THE COST OF THE HOMES THAT YOU'RE SELLING.
SO IF YOU'RE SELLING EVERY HOUSE AT A HUNDRED THOUSAND, YOU'RE SELLING IT TO 75,000, THREE OR FOUR OF 'EM.
BUT HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU RESTRICT THE MARKET FROM RUNNING UP THE COST OF THAT HOUSE TO BE EQUIVALENT TO THE OTHERS? THERE'S, I KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ALEXANDRIA PROGRAM, GET ON A WAIT LIST AND IT'S A LOTTERY IN ALEXANDRIA.
THE HOMES ARE ACTUALLY SET ASIDE FOR SCHOOLS, FIRST RESPONDERS, THAT KIND OF THING, THAT ARE, THAT WORK AND LIVE IN A, THE CITY OF ALEXANDRIA, NOT FAIRFAX, PART OF ALEXANDRIA, THE HOUSE, IF YOU BUY IT FOR 225,000, THAT HOUSE, THEN WHEN IT IS SOLD, WHEN YOU'RE READY TO SELL IT, THERE'S A PERCENTAGE OF THAT THAT GOES BACK TO THE, THE, UH, CITY AS WELL.
AND THEN THE CITY RESELLS THE HOUSE.
I MIGHT BE MISSPEAKING THERE, BUT I COULD, I COULD FIND OUT PRETTY EASY WHAT THE ALEXANDRIA'S PROGRAM IS.
BUT THAT'S, WE'RE A DIFFERENT, WE'RE A DIFFERENT ANIMAL HERE THAN YEAH, DEFINITELY ALEXANDRIA.
YEAH, WE'RE, I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO BE ALEXANDRIA.
LIKE I, I THINK OUR COMMUNITY, I MEAN, IT HAS TO BE THERE IS GONNA BE GROWTH, BUT I THINK IT HAS TO BE STRUCTURED GROWTH.
I KNOW THAT THERE, I'VE HEARD THROUGH, YOU KNOW, HEARSAY THAT THE POTENTIAL GROWTH FOR SOME DEVELOPMENT CLOSER TO THE HOSPITAL AND, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MIDDLE SCHOOL WARREN COUNTY SECTION, THAT LAND RIGHT THERE COULD BE, UM, GOOD FOR, YOU KNOW, SINGLE FAMILY.
UM, WHETHER A DEVELOPER JUMPS ON THAT OR NOT.
I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT.
SO WHETHER THAT GETS APPROVED
I MEAN, THE HOSPITAL'S THERE, THE SCHOOLS ARE THERE.
YOU KNOW, AND DO I WANT TO SEE HUGE GROWTH? NO, BUT I DON'T, I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, WE DO NEED TO LOOK AT IT.
WELL, WE NEED PLACES FOR OUR RESIDENTS CHILDREN.
WE DO TO, TO MOVE INTO SOMEDAY.
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UM, AND THAT'S WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THESE BIG PROPERTIES WITH THE FAMILIES, THE MULTI-GENERATIONS.I MEAN, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DO HAVE TO SAVE LAND, YOU KNOW, TO KEEP THIS AREA, UM, EXACTLY WHAT IT IS.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT REP OR RECOMMENDING WE BECOME STEVENSON
YOU KNOW, WE, WE, THERE'S A LOT, THERE'S DEFINITELY A LOT TO LOOK AT AND THERE'S A LOT OF BEAUTIFUL LAND IN THIS AREA.
AND YET, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE CONCERN OF MINE IS THAT HOW DO THEY AFFORD IT? AND I THINK THAT NOBODY EXPECTED THE HOUSING MARKET TO GO THE WAY THEY DID LET, AND THE MATERIAL COSTS TO BUILD A HOUSE THESE DAYS TO RENOVATE A HOUSE THESE DAYS.
I MEAN, THE LAST FOUR YEARS HAS BEEN, LET'S SHAKE EVERYTHING UP, YOU KNOW? OH YEAH.
SO I THINK WITH TIME THINGS WILL SETTLE, BUT YEAH, I MIGHT JUST PROVIDE ONE THOUGHT ON THIS ITEM.
WELL, I MEAN, PART OF WHAT WE DID IS, AS FAR AS THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE TO ALLOW THE ADDITIONAL TWO LOTS FOR FAMILY SUBDIVISION WAS TO HELP, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHAT OFFSET, UH, THAT IN ORDER TO AT LEAST A FAMILY CAN NOW HAVE THOSE TWO ADDITIONAL LOTS TO SUBDIVIDE.
IF THERE OTHER LOTS HAVE BEEN SUBDIVIDED SINCE THAT 1971, THEY ARE 77 DATES, EXCUSE ME.
AND, UM, SO THAT AT LEAST GIVES FAMILIES AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, PIECE OF LAND TO THEIR OFFSPRING OR TO A, UH, A RELATIVE IS DEFINED BY OUR ORDINANCE, UM, TO SUBDIVIDE AND BUILD A HOUSE ON THAT.
UH, ANOTHER THOUGHT COULD POTENTIALLY BE IS THAT WE LOOK AT AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT ORDINANCE FOR AGRICULTURAL, WHERE YOU POTENTIALLY COULD HAVE A SECOND U UH, DWELLING UNIT ON A PROPERTY.
UH, I THINK WE WOULD DEFINITELY WANNA HAVE SOME STANDARDS ON LIMITATIONS ON THE SIZE OF THAT PARCEL.
UH, IN ORDER TO DO THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE MAY EVEN LOOK AT CERTAIN SIZE OF THE, THE STRUCTURE, YOU KNOW, LIVING IT, LIMITING IT TO SAY 1500 SQUARE FEET, NO MORE THAN ONE OR TWO BEDROOM.
UH, CERTAINLY MEET, MEETING ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT FOR YOUR WELL AND SEPTIC MM-HMM.
UM, THIS WOULD AT LEAST GIVE PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY IF, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD A FAMILY MEMBER OR, OR SOMEBODY OR WHO THEY KNEW THAT WAS JUST LOOKING FOR A SMALL FOOTPRINT HOUSING FOR, YOU KNOW, TO, TO STAY IN WHILE THEY WORK HERE IN THE COUNTY, UH, EITHER FULL-TIME OR PART-TIME.
UH, IT WOULD GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY AND HOPEFULLY NOT HAVE TO SPEND QUITE AS MUCH AS YOU MIGHT SPEND ON A LARGER HOME.
UM, AGAIN, THERE WOULD BE SOME STANDARDS AND WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AND DO A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH ON THIS PARTICULAR, UH, UH, SOLUTION TO THIS.
UH, WE MAY WANT TO, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD PROHIBIT IT FROM BEING A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL, ANY OF THOSE, ANY ADDITIONAL HOME WANT A, WANT A PROPERTY WOULD BE PROHIBITED FROM ANY SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL, BUT WOULD ALLOW FOR LONG-TERM RENTAL.
AND WHEN YOU SAY LONG-TERM RENTAL, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY PROBABLY SIX MONTHS OR LONGER, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE A POTENTIAL SOLUTION.
IT DISPERSES DEVELOPMENT IN THE COUNTY.
INSTEAD OF HAVING EVERYTHING FOCUSED IN ONE PLANNED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, YOU DISPERSE IT OUT A LITTLE BIT, WHICH REALLY ALLOWS THE COUNTY TO KEEP ITS RURAL CHARACTER A LITTLE BIT MORE.
YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER DENSITY IN AREAS, BUT AGAIN, THEY WOULD BE LARGER LOTS THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO BE BUILT ON.
UM, THE URBAN DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT ORIGINALLY WAS ADOPTED, WELL IN AROUND 2013, UH, ADDRESSED THE HIGHER DENSITY MORE, WE'LL SAY AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING, UH, TO BE LOCATED WITHIN THE TOWN WHERE WE HAVE PUBLIC SUMER WATER, WHERE THERE ARE PUBLIC ROADS THAT ARE MAINTAINED BY THE TOWN INSTEAD OF HAVING THE, THE STATE TO BUILD AND ADOPT NEW ROADS INTO THE SYSTEM.
UM, UH, SO WHERE WE WENT, THE, THE ANNEXATION OF THE ANA PROPERTY IN HAPPY CREEK WAS ALL APART, CAME ABOUT BECAUSE OF THAT.
AND HERE WE ARE 10 YEARS LATER AND, AND WE'VE GOT NOTHING, YOU KNOW, ON THAT.
SO I WOULD RECOMMEND, AND THIS IS JUST SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, CHASE AND MYSELF, AND IF YOU FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT IT, WE CAN LOOK INTO THIS AS AN, AS A SOLUTION.
UH, AND WE PUT SOMETHING IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I'LL, I'LL NOTE I JUST PULLED MY HARD COPY OUT.
PAGE FOUR OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TALKS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT GOALS AND OBJECTIVES AND RURAL CHARACTER AND AGRICULTURAL PRESERVATION GOALS AND OBJECTIVES.
RIGHT? SO WE, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT.
UM, AND AGAIN, IT, IT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN A HIGH HOUSING CRISIS IS REALLY WHERE WE'RE AT.
WE, YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE OF THE MARKET, AND I THINK MR. GORDON MAKES A GOOD POINT, SOMETIMES YOU JUST CAN'T CONTROL THE MARKET, BUT WE CAN CONTROL WHAT IS DEVELOPED AND WE POTENTIALLY
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CONTROL THE LAND, LAND USE PATTERNS.AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT.
UM, I'LL, I'LL MENTION THAT WE DO HAVE A, A PROPERTY OWNER WHO RECENTLY PURCHASED, UH, MR. HOUSTON'S PROPERTY, WHICH IS A RURAL RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY OUT IN THE ROCKLAND AREA.
HE'S GONNA HAVE TO PUT IN STATE ROADS BUILT TO STATE STANDARDS.
AND HE'S APPROVED CURRENTLY AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL PROFFERS 12.
AND HE'S, HE'S GONNA BE REQUESTING AN ADDITIONAL TWO LOTS.
UH, ONE OF THE LOTS WILL HAVE AN OPEN SPACE EASEMENT FOR THE, WITH THE, AND THIS WOULD INCLUDE ALSO THAT ORIGINAL HOME THAT WAS THERE.
BUT HE'S, HE'S GONNA HAVE TO ASK PROBABLY A MILLION DOLLARS, YOU KNOW, A GOOD AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR THOSE HOUSES.
SO THAT, I MEAN, THAT'S GREAT AND THAT IT MAY FIT IN WELL IN THE ROCKLAND AREA, BUT IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTY IT MAY NOT.
SO, UM, I WOULD SAY, UH, AGAIN TONIGHT, I, I DID PUT, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REVIEW OR GOALS AND OBJECTIVES FOR EACH CHAPTER AND THE MAPS AND WHATNOT.
UH, WE DON'T HAVE TO GO INTO A WHOLE LOT OF DETAIL.
IF YOU WANNA LOOK AT ANY SPECIFIC ONES OR TALK ABOUT ANY OF 'EM, WE CERTAINLY CAN.
BUT THIS IS JUST THE WAY I'M, I'M TRYING TO AT LEAST GET IT IN FRONT OF YOU TO LOOK AT AND KIND OF CHEW ON IT A LITTLE BIT.
AND THEN, UH, BRING BACK YOUR COMMENTS.
AND WE'RE CERTAINLY WELCOME TO ANY, ANY COMMENTS YOU WANNA PROVIDE IN A WRITTEN FORMAT.
WE CAN ADDRESS, UH, THEM AT THE NEXT MEETING AND, AND LOOK AT HOW THEY COULD POTENTIALLY BE INCORPORATED INTO, UH, THIS REVIEW OF THE COMP PLAN.
AND JUST, UH, PIGGYBACKING ON, ON, UH, MATT'S COMMENTS.
UM, AT THE VIRGINIA ASSOCIATION OF ZONING OFFICIALS CONFERENCE THIS PAST YEAR, THEY ASKED HOW MANY ORDINANCES, UH, OR LOCALITIES HAVE AN ORDINANCE TO ALLOW ACCESSORY DRILLING UNITS.
AND I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO DID NOT RAISE THEIR HAND.
ALL WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS THE GUEST HOUSE USE, WHICH FRANKLY I THINK SHOULD PROBABLY BE REPLACED WITH AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT ORDINANCE.
JUST THE, THE LEVEL OF RESTRICTIONS ON THE GUEST HOUSE IS VERY CUMBERSOME AND VERY DIFFICULT TO REGULATE.
WE'RE NOT GONNA GET A NOTIFICATION SAYING THAT THEY SOLD THEIR PROPERTY AND WE WON'T BE ABLE TO PULL THE DEED TO MAKE SURE THEY GET THE LITTLE CLAUSE IN THERE.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE FIND OUT WHEN THEY'RE RENTING IT OUT, THE NEXT OWNER IS RENTING IT OUT AGAINST THE, THE CUP.
SO, UM, YEAH, THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, UH, ORDINANCE IS PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT WILL NEED TO HAPPEN.
UM, BUT ON A, A LARGER SCALE IN GENERAL, JUST THE, THE HOUSING OPTIONS ALLOWED UNDER THE ORDINANCE ARE ALSO VERY LIMITED.
IN R ONE, IT'S SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING AND THAT'S IT.
NO MOBILE HOMES, NO TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS, NO APARTMENTS, WHICH, YOU KNOW, MIND YOU, WE DON'T HAVE PUBLIC WATER OR SEWER, UM, WHICH KIND OF LIMITS, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO HAVE.
UM, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S ALL FUTURE PLANNING.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ONE TINY LITTLE SECTION OF R TWO ZONING, WHICH DOES ALLOW FOR A TWO FAMILY DWELLING BY CUP.
UM, MAYBE THE SOLUTION IS TO MORE ACTIVELY PLAN FOR DIFFERENT AREAS TO BE R TWO.
MAYBE IT'S TO LOOK AT WHAT'S ALLOWED IN THE CURRENT ZONING, UH, DISTRICTS TO SEE IF DIFFERENT FORMS OF HOUSING CAN BE ADDED.
BUT YES, I HAVE FOR YEARS, UH, THOUGHT THAT WE SHOULD REPLACE GUEST HOUSE WITH ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT WITH LESS RESTRICTIONS.
WELL, A HOME OR LANDOWNER OF 129 ACRES TOLD ME THAT HE WAS JUST OFFERED BY A HOME BUILDER, HIS PROPERTY.
I WAS WONDERING WHY ARE THEY COMING OUT TO THE RURAL AREA AND NOT COMING TO THE CITY OR THE TOWN? YOU KNOW, THE, THE TOWN HAS SOME LIMITED OPEN SPACE THAT THEY CAN DEVELOP.
I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.
AND, UH, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE HIGHER DENSITY AREAS, THERE'S RIGHT, UH, I MEAN, THE TOWN JUST HAD A PLAN RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WITHDRAWAL.
UH, AND, AND I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT REASONS, BUT THIS WAS ON ALONG HAPPY CREEK AND, UH YEAH.
AND, AND THEY ARE GONNA JUST GO AHEAD AND DO THEIR BUY, RIGHT.
AND SO, UM, I, I THINK TYING ON TO WHAT CHASE IS SAYING, MAYBE WE, WHAT WE LOOK AT IS WE ALSO EVALUATE SOME OF THE LARGER PARCELS IN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT.
AND MAYBE WE LOOK AT FUTURE LAND USE FOR RURAL RESIDENTIAL WHERE YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE MINIMUM TWO ACRE, UH, MINIMUM THAT WE HAVE IN AG, BUT WE HAVE A FIVE ACRE BUILDING DENSITY.
SO IF WE LOOK AT THAT AS A RURAL RESIDENTIAL, YOU KNOW, AND POT, AGAIN, WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT FUTURE LAND USES AREAS THAT POTENTIALLY COULD BE FUTURE LAND USES.
UM, TYPICALLY, UH, WITH ANY RESIDENTIAL REZONING WE LOOK AT IS THERE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL TO IT.
SO IT COULD BE PROPERTIES THAT ARE ADJACENT TO SHENANDOAH FARMS. SO YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE THE HIGH HIGHER DENSITY R ONE
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IN THAT CASE.BUT RURAL RESIDENTIAL MAY GIVE YOU A FEW MORE.
LOTS, WELL PROBABLY A LOT MORE LOTS THAN OUR BASIC EXEMPT SUBDIVISION WITH THAT ALLOWS A 20 ACRE MINIMUM.
AND I THINK GOING THROUGH THIS COMP PLAN REVIEW, UH, MAYBE WE SHOULD IDENTIFY SOME OF THOSE, UH, AREAS, MAYBE LOTS OF A HUNDRED OVER A HUNDRED ACRES OR 125 ACRES THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE GOOD FOR RURAL RESIDENTIAL, UM, THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.
I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF PROTECTED AREAS BY CONSERVATION EASEMENT AND, UM, AND SO, SO CERTAINLY, UH, AND WITHIN ACT FORESTAL DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, WHERE THERE, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY WE WOULD NOTIFY ALL THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ARE WITHIN THAT DISTRICT TO SAY, IS THIS SOMETHING YOU WANNA SEE NEXT TO WHERE YOUR, YOUR DISTRICT IS? SO, UH, WE DO HAVE SOME PROTECTIONS IN PLACE AND WE CAN CONTINUE TO, UM, PROMOTE SOME OF THE, THE CONSERVATION EASEMENTS IN THE SENSITIVE AREAS ALONG THE RIVERS, UH, IN THE STEEP SLOPE SLOPE AREAS NEXT TO THE MOUNTAINS.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S JUST FINDING THAT BALANCE AND BEING ABLE TO FIND, YOU KNOW, A, A GOOD, UH, LOCATIONS FOR THESE.
THE ONLY THING I CAN ADD TO THAT, SCOTT, IS WASN'T THAT MANY YEARS AGO WE HAD SOMETHING WHERE SOMEONE WANTED TO DO A MIXTURE OF TOWNHOUSES AND SINGLE FAMILIES BACK BEHIND CROOKED RUN, AND HE WITHDREW THE APPLICATIONS.
HE SAW IT WAS GOING TO GO DOWN IN FLAMES.
AND THEN SECONDLY, WE JUST HAD A GOLF COURSE THAT DID THE SAME THING.
I LIVE ON A GOLF COURSE WITH THE TOWNHOUSES AND SINGLE FAMILY
AND THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A CASE WHERE IF THE APPLICANT CAME WITH A RURAL RESIDENTIAL, IT BEEN MUCH WOULD'VE BEEN A LITTLE MORE PALATABLE TO THE, TO THE NEIGHBORS IN THE COMMUNITY ITSELF.
UM, AGAIN, AND THEN IN THE CASE OF, UH, THAT THAT WOULD BE CROOKED RUN TOO CROOKED LONG WEST IF YOU ARE GONNA HAVE DENSITY.
AT THE TIME THE STATE HAD HAD PONIED UP, I THINK $20 MILLION, 20 SOMETHING OF, OF, UH, REVENUE SHARING TO, TO BUILD A BRIDGE.
WELL, THEY OBVIOUSLY TOOK THAT MONEY AWAY ONCE THAT WAS DENIED BY THE, AND WITHDRAWN.
SO, UH, IT'S GONNA BE VERY DIFFICULT, UM, IN, IN AREAS TO, YOU KNOW, TO LOCATE SOME OF THE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL.
AND SO AN OPTION POTENTIALLY COULD BE, YOU LOOK AT IT AS RURAL RESIDENTIAL WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE THE HIGHER DENSITY AND, AND THAT AND THE LAND CAN MAYBE HANDLE THE WELL AND SEPTIC PRIVATE WELL IN SEPTIC VERSUS PUBLICS WHO ARE WATER.
UM, ANOTHER QUESTION THAT I, I WAS, I HAVE IS WHAT IN THE EVENT OF THE ECONOMY MARKET DOES NOT GO IN EVERYBODY'S FAVOR FOR THESE, THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE APPLIED FOR AIRBNBS MM-HMM.
WHAT IS THE PROTOCOL AND DO WE HAVE SOMETHING KIND OF LAID OUT FOR IF THEY DECIDE TO NO LONGER AIRBNB FOR SHORT TERM RENTAL AND THEN THEY GO BACK TO LONG TERM? DO THEY HAVE TO COME BACK? DO THEY, LIKE WHAT'S THE, CHASE CAN ANSWER THAT.
THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION BECAUSE THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT I WAS LIKE, I, I HAVE A FEELING THIS, YOU KNOW.
AND ALSO I MEANT TO, WHEN I SPOKE EARLIER, I MEANT TO ANSWER YOUR FIRST QUESTION, SCOTT.
IT'S LESS THAN 1% OF THE CURRENT HOUSING STOCK.
IT'S NOT A BIG NUMBER, UH, AS FAR AS NUMBER APPROVED AS SHORT TERM RENTALS TO TOTAL HOUSING STOCK.
IT'S, I THINK IT, JOE PETTY GAVE ME THAT NUMBER AT ONE POINT, AND IT WAS MUCH LESS THAN I EXPECTED IT TO BE WITH HOW MANY WE, UH, PROCESSED.
BUT AGAIN, THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE ONES THAT ARE ILLEGALLY OPERATING OR ARE GRANDFATHERED.
THOSE ARE JUST THE CF I PULLED UP THE AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY WHILE WE'RE SITTING HERE.
UH, WE HAVE 17,088 HOUSING UNITS AS OF JULY 1ST, 2022.
WE HAVE 138 SHORT TERM RENTALS.
SO YEAH, IT'S A PRETTY LOW NUMBER.
IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE KEEP PROVING 7, 8, 9 EVERY MONTH.
AND THE ONE THING I'LL SAY ABOUT THAT IS FROM, UH, 2012 TO MAYBE WHAT, 2019? 2020 PROBABLY GOT A TOTAL OF LIKE 20
AND JUST SINCE COVID HIT, WE'VE HAD BASICALLY ENDLESS AMOUNTS OF APPLICATIONS FOR THIS.
PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO WORK FROM HOME.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE ALL THE WAY INTO DC RIGHT.
UM, AND WHERE THEY WANNA GET OUT OF THE CITY
I GOT FIRSTHAND EXPERIENCE OF, UH, WHAT AIRBNB'S OR THE NEGATIVE IMPACT ON A COMMUNITY WHERE I SKI PATROL AT, UH, IN TUCKER COUNTY, CANNAE VALLEY AREA, THE AIRBNBS OR SHORT TERM RENTALS HAVE BECOME.
SO, UH, THERE ARE SO MANY OF 'EM THAT, UH, THE COUNTY ACTUALLY, OR THE TOWN OF, UH, DAVIS, UH, CUT IT OFF, SAID NO MORE SHORT TERM RENTALS.
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THOSE THAT ARE APPROVED ARE YET, BECAUSE IT GOT TO THE POINT WHERE YOU COULDN'T, UH, THE LOCALS COULDN'T FIND A PLACE TO LIVE AND IT WAS FORCING THE PRICE WAY UP.JUST AS YOU KNOW, I'M STARTING TO TRACK THEM HERE.
WE'RE SEEING THE PRICES GOING UP IN THAT ONE CASE, ONE THIRD HIGHER THAN THE OFFER PRICE.
I'M STILL RENTING AN APARTMENT IN, IN WINCHESTER.
SO,
SO, UM, YOU AGAIN, THEY ASK US TO LOOK AT THAT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT'D BE EXTREMELY CHALLENGING TO REGULATE.
WE HAVE REAL CHALLENGE IN THAT, BUT THE, BUT WE VACCINE, YOU HAVE A CARETAKER PREPARING FOOD AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
WAS SAY, ISN'T IT A BED AND BREAKFAST
THERE ARE JURISDICTIONS THAT REQUIRE, AND WE DO HAVE A FEW OF THOSE.
UH, ONE OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS, ONE OF OUR FIRST, UH, AIRBNB, UH, HAS A HUGE HOUSE, BEAUTIFUL HOUSE DOWN IN UH, BENTONVILLE AREA AND HE JUST HAS A SMALL SUITE DOWNSTAIRS AND HE TRAVELS A LOT SO HE'LL STILL BOOK IT IF HE'S THERE, HE JUST STAYS DOWN IN THE DOWNSTAIRS IN HIS, UH, LITTLE SMALL BEDROOM AND SUITE DOWN THERE.
AND THEN IF HE'S NOT THERE THEN HE JUST LOCKS THAT UP AND EVERYBODY HAS THE, THE RUN OF THE BALANCE OF THE HOUSE.
AND THEN WE'VE RECENTLY HAD THE ONE IN LAKE FRONT ROYAL GENTLEMAN, A COUPLE OF THEM I BELIEVE THERE.
OR IS IT JUST THE ONE WHO IN LAKE FRONT, ROYAL, JUST THE ONE THE GUY WE HAVE COMING THROUGH ISN'T GONNA STAY.
YEAH, HE LIVES THERE AND, AND UH, RENTS, YOU KNOW, ONCE THE RENT TO PEOPLE COMING OFF THE A AT TRAIL, YOU KNOW, OVERNIGHT AND THAT KIND OF THING.
SO, UM, YOU MIGHT SEE MORE OF THAT.
YOU ACTUALLY MIGHT SEE MORE OF THAT THOUGH.
BUT, UH, ANSWERING YOUR ORIGINAL QUESTION, UM, WHEN THE SHORT TERM RENTALS CEASED FOR A PERIOD OF TWO YEARS OR MORE, IT CAME, THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT CAN BE REVOKED.
UM, AS FAR AS, UH, CONVERTING BACK TO LONG TERM, THAT'S A BY RIGHT USE.
UM, SO WE DON'T NEED ANY DOCUMENTATION FOR THAT AS FAR AS HOW WE WOULD TRACK IF IT'S BEEN DISCONTINUED.
THEY WILL, THE APPLICANTS SET UP A TRANSIENT OCCUPANCY TAX ACCOUNT.
AND SO IF WE SEE THAT THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY ACTIVITY, UH, IN THAT FOR A PERIOD OF TWO YEARS, THE USE IS ESSENTIALLY ABANDONED.
YEAH, THAT WAS, I WASN'T SURE GOT ANYTHING ELSE, SCOTT? NOPE.
UH, ANYTHING ELSE? CHASE? I THINK WE'VE COVERED A LOT OF THINGS.
JORDAN, YOU GOT ANYTHING? NOPE.
SORRY GUYS, I ASKED A QUESTION.
ONLY THING I'VE GOT IS A REQUEST FOR A, A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
SECOND, IT'S ALWAYS I MAKE A MOTION.
I THOUGHT YOU THOUGHT YOU READ IT.