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OKAY, I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE FEBRUARY 15TH BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, UH, WORK SESSION FOR THE BUDGET.
[A. Commissioner of Revenue - Budget Request]
FIRST UP IS COMMISSIONER REVENUE.MS. SERS, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M, YEAH, I'M ON.
UM, DID YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BUDGET OR ANY OF THESE LINE ITEMS? THE BIG ONE THAT I HAD WAS THE ASSESSMENT SUPPLIES, AND THAT'S, UM, FOR THE SOFTWARE THAT WE HAVE JUST PURCHASED, THE VISION SOFTWARE FOR THE REAL ESTATE MAINTENANCE.
SO I HAVE TO PUT IN THE MAINTENANCE, THE CLOUD, UM, AND THE WEB FEE.
PLUS THERE'S ALSO SOME MONEY IN THERE FOR THE, UH, VEHICLE ASSESSMENT THIS YEAR, WHICH HAS INCREASED A LOT, AND I'M HOPING I HAVE ENOUGH IN THERE FOR THAT.
ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I, I HAVE IS, ARE YOU ADDING ANY NEW STAFF MEMBERS? I DO NOT HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL POSITIONS, NO.
AND I KNOW, UM,
SO, SO I'M LOOKING AT THE 24 ADOPTED BUDGET AND THE AMENDED BUDGET, AND THEN I LOOK AT YOUR REQUESTED BUDGET AND WITH THE NUMBERS THAT I'M USING FOR THE DELTA BETWEEN THE AMENDED AND THE, UH, DEPARTMENT THAT YOU ACTUALLY, YOUR, YOUR, UM, BUDGET WENT DOWN.
SO YOU'RE COMPARING THE AMENDED TO THE DEPARTMENT REQUEST? YEAH.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, AND EVEN, EVEN IF, UM, EVEN IF I AM NOT USING THE RIGHT, UM, VALUE, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING AT YOUR BUDGET OF BEING FLAT, SO, YOU KNOW, AND I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, GRABBED ME OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT WE'RE DOING THE GO, GOING TO THE BY ANNUAL ASSESSMENT AND THAT DOESN'T SURPRISE ME THAT WE WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, UM, EXPENDITURES, HIDDEN EXPENDITURE, HI, HIDDEN EXPENDITURES COMING UP, YOU KNOW, SO.
UM, ANOTHER QUESTION IS, SO WITH THE STAFF, IT, DID YOU INCLUDE IN THE, UM, THIS, THE NEXT YEAR'S SALARY INCREASE? NO.
LIKE LAST YEAR THE STATE WAS SOMETHING LIKE 7% OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
DID YOU BUDGET THAT IN THIS, UM, SPREADSHEET? NO, MA'AM.
USUALLY THEY HANDLE HR HANDLES ALL THAT.
SO THE, SO THE SALARIES THAT I, THAT'S IN, UM, IN THE, UM, THE BUDGET DATABASE OR REALLY THE SALARIES FROM LAST YEAR YES.
OR ARE THE CURRENT SALARIES, I SHOULD SAY? YES.
NO, I DID KNOW WHAT MINE WAS GONNA BE, AND I DID RAISE THAT A LITTLE BIT.
BUT I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE REST OF BE EVERYBODY ELSE.
THOSE ARE THE ONLY QUESTIONS, THE COMMENTS THAT I HAVE, BUT I'M, UM, I'M OKAY.
ACTUALLY, SOME, THEY SAY TO PULL IT CLOSER.
NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'LL WORK, BUT DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR MRS. SERS? UM, YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, IS THERE A, MAYBE IT'S A QUESTION FOR ALYSSA.
UM, A LAG, LIKE ARE YOU SIX MONTHS THROUGH ALL THE EXPENSES THROUGH DECEMBER? LIKE REPORTED ALYSSA'S SAYING THAT THERE, EVERYTHING'S KEYED INTO DECEMBER.
SO YOU, I MEAN, YOU'VE USED ABOUT, SORRY, ABOUT 43% OF, OF 20 FOUR'S BUDGET.
WE STILL HAVE TO RUN THIS YEAR'S BOOKS COMING UP.
THAT'S A BIG PART OF THE BUDGET.
WE HAVE A BIG PORTION COMING UP FOR THE ASSESSMENTS OF THE VEHICLES PAPER, ALL OF THAT.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT UNIFORM MONTH TO MONTH.
MR. MEYER, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? NO.
MR. BUTLER AND THE REASSESSMENTS AT THE BOTTOM OR ON MY PAGE? IT IS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? REASSESSMENT?
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NO.IT LOOKS LIKE, UM, OTHER THAN IT BEING UP, WHAT?
BUT THEN IF YOU LOOK HERE ON THE LIGHT ITEM UNDER CALLED REASSESSMENT SERVICES OF, UH, 449,000, IS THAT BECAUSE WHERE THE COUNTY IS PICKING UP THE ASSESSMENTS RATHER THAN THE PRIOR ASSESSMENT? IT WAS MORE THIRD PARTY? NO.
UM, IT'S STILL CONTRACTED OUT.
IT'S STILL CONTRACTED OUT? YES.
AND THE TOTAL CONTRACT AMOUNT IS 598,769.
BUT WHEN I DID THE BUDGET, UM, LAST TIME, WE, I THOUGHT WE WAS AT THE FOUR YEAR CYCLE, SO WE'VE GOTTA MAKE UP FOR IT THIS TIME, UNFORTUNATELY.
SO THE, UM, THE CONTRACTOR, IS IT THE SAME ONE THAT WE USED LAST TIME OR IS THIS A NEW CONTRACTOR? THIS IS A NEW CONTRACTOR.
WHAT DID, DID YOU PUT IT OUT FOR BID AND THEN WE GOT A NEW CONTRACTOR AND YES.
THEY, THEY, UH, EL ALYSSA DID ALL THE, UH, RFP WORK AND EVERYTHING.
IT WAS PEARSON AND, AND WHO IS IT NOW? PEARSON WAS THE PREVIOUS ONE.
AND I WAS ALSO PART OF THE, THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS AS WELL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NOPE, NOT FOR ME.
I'M JUST GLAD THAT WE'RE, WE'RE DOING THIS, THAT THE, THE REASSESSMENTS EVERY TWO YEARS INSTEAD OF EVERY FOUR YEARS NOW.
BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH IT'S GONNA COST THE, THE COUNTY A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THOSE WIDE SWINGS AND GET PEOPLE ALL UPSET, YOU KNOW? RIGHT.
IT WON'T BE A SHOT FOR THE DIFFERENCES TO BE LOWER.
AND IT ALSO ALLOWS US TO KEEP, UM, KEEP UP THE PACE AND NOT LEAVE MONEY ON THE TABLE FOR LIKE THE UTILITY, FOR EXAMPLE.
THAT, THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT.
I THINK THIS, THIS FIRST YEAR OF DOING THIS, PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE UNHAPPY UNTIL THEY UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHY, BECAUSE THEY JUST WENT THROUGH A, AN UNHAPPY REASSESSMENT.
BUT HOPEFULLY THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE MARKET VALUES GOING DOWN, THEY'LL SEE THE VALUE THAT WE'RE, IT'S ACTUALLY HOPEFULLY GONNA BE BETTER FOR THEM.
WE JUST, WE JUST HAVE TO DO OUR JOB OF EDUCATING.
I WAS NEVER CONCERNED ABOUT THE, WHAT THE ASSESSMENT WAS.
WHAT I WAS ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT WAS, WHAT IS THAT FINAL, YOU KNOW, DOLLAR AMOUNT, THE FINAL DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT I'M, I'M BEING TAXED ON.
I CAN CARE LESS ABOUT THE ASSESSMENT OR THE, OR THE, OR THE RATE.
IT WAS THAT FINAL DOLLAR AMOUNT AND ANYTHING ELSE.
WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH MA'AM.
[B. Treasurer - Budget Request]
NEXT IS THE TREASURER'S OFFICE.SO YOU GUYS, UM, IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL THAT IT'S NOT IN THE DATABASE.
WASN'T SURE WHETHER YOU WOULD HAVE THE AMENDMENT AS SUCH.
FOR THE LARGE PRINT, I, NO, SO I'LL START OFF WITH SAYING I'M NEW AT THIS, SO IF THERE IS ANY INFORMATION THAT I DON'T GIVE YOU, UM, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
IF I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, I WILL FIND IT FOR YOU.
SO DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS THAT YOU WANNA START WITH? WHY DON'T YOU KIND OF WALK US DOWN IT OKAY.
AND THEN AS WE, UM, HAVE QUESTIONS OR AT THE END, WE'LL ASK THEM.
SO ONE OF THE BIG HELPS FOR MY OFFICE IS THAT THE COMPENSATION BOARD HAS FUNDED TWO PREVIOUSLY UNFUNDED POSITIONS.
SO LAST YEAR'S, UM, COMP BOARD REIMBURSEMENT TEST WAS $179,000,
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979, 918.THIS YEAR WE WILL GET 2 27, 2 80.
SO THEY TOTALLY FUNDED TWO POSITIONS THAT WERE UNFUNDED.
UM, AND I CURRENTLY HAVE A SPOT TO FILL THAT IS ALREADY FUNDED.
SO I JUST HIRED, UH, CHIEF DEPUTY TO REPLACE MS. ROSS.
UM, SHE STARTED TUESDAY, SO SHE'S NEW TO THE OFFICE, BUT I HAVE A POSITION TO FILL THAT WAS, THAT WOULD BE BACKFILLED FROM WHEN MICHELLE BECAME TAX COLLECTOR IN OCTOBER.
SO THAT POSITION IS STILL OUT THERE.
UM, SO THERE SHOULD BE A LITTLE VACANCY SAVINGS FROM WHEN JAMIE SPIKER LEFT.
SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT EXTRA I'LL HAVE, AND I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A PART-TIME PERSON TO HELP MAYBE DURING TAX SEASON IF I CAN WORK THE MONEY IN THE COMP BOARD TO GET SOME PART-TIME MONEY.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S A PROPOSAL FOR LABOR.
SO ARE YOU INCREASING YOUR STAFF OR NOT INCREASING YOUR STAFF? I'M INCREASING MY STAFF.
YOU'RE JUST ABSORBING AND SHIFTING AND YES.
SO AS YOU KNOW, WE DON'T GET ANY OFFICE EXPENSE OR EQUIPMENT OR FURNITURE FROM THE COMP BOARD.
SO ON MY BALANCE SHEET, THE FIRST THING THAT I'VE HIGHLIGHTED THAT IS THE OVERTIME.
UNFORTUNATELY IN OUR OFFICE, TAX TIME IS REALLY DIFFICULT TO TRY AND WORK WITH THE STAFF THAT YOU HAVE THE REST OF THE YEAR.
SO EVEN AFTER WE CLOSE, THEY HAVE AN HOUR TO CLOSE OUT THEIR BOOKS.
SO THIS YEAR I'M GONNA TRY A DIFFERENT WAY.
I'M GOING TO TRY AND, UM, STAGGER THE TIMES THAT THE EMPLOYEES COME IN.
SO WE'RE GONNA OPEN EARLIER AND START AT EIGHT 30.
SO I'LL HAVE TWO THAT WORK EIGHT 30 TO 4 32 THAT WORK NINE TO FIVE, AND THEN TWO THAT ARE GONNA WORK, UM, PROBABLY 10 TO SIX.
AND WE'LL GRADUALLY CLOSE WINDOWS OUT SO THAT THEY CAN GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THEIR MONEY OUT.
LEAVING OPEN THE LAST ONE SO THAT THERE'S NOT SO MUCH OVERTIME.
I DID, HOWEVER, PUT SOME IN THE BUDGET BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT WHAT THE ACTUAL NUMBERS WERE FOR 2023, I FELT LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE NEEDED TO HAVE AT LEAST, UM, 7,500 IN THE BUDGET.
WHAT WAS IT? WHAT CUT THE, ACTUALLY, ACTUALLY WHAT WAS SPENT WAS 75 89, UM, AND THEN 2024, WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW IS 1636.
SO I DID PUT THE 7,500 IN FOR OVERTIME.
WERE YOU THINKING IT WAS GONNA BE REDUCED THOUGH, FROM THIS PLAN OF YOURS? I'M HOPING.
BUT YOU JUST WANT TO ADD IT THERE? YES.
I WANTED TO PUT IT THERE IN CASE, SINCE THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT WAS SPENT 2023 MM-HMM.
UM, AND I DON'T HAVE A CLEAR IDEA OF WHERE WE'RE GONNA BE YET ON THIS ONE, SO I, I JUST WANTED TO PUT IT THERE UNTIL I GET A BETTER FEEL OF, OF HOW MUCH REALLY AM WE GONNA NEED.
WHEN IS THE BIG RUSH OF COMING UP? USUALLY MAY.
USUALLY WHEN THE BILLS GO OUT, THEN FOR ABOUT TWO OR THREE WEEKS IS OKAY.
SO THE VERY, FROM WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD, BASICALLY THE LAST MONTH, LAST TWO MONTHS OF THE FISCAL YEAR? YES.
FROM WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD, IT GETS PRETTY CRAZY.
1600 WOULD BE IN THE FIRST, FIRST SESSION IN NOVEMBER, DECEMBER SESSION.
SHE'S GOT, ARE THEY EQUAL RUSHES? I'M JUST, I'M JUST TRYING TO PROJECT.
THEY TOLD ME, UH, THEY TOLD ME THE MAY AND JUNE IS BIGGER THAN THE DECEMBER.
I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY, 'CAUSE I KNOW MYSELF, I PAY ALL MINE IN JUNE, SO I DON'T HAVE TO PULL WITH IT IN DECEMBER.
SO YOU MIGHT GET A LOT MORE PEOPLE THAT DO THAT.
DECEMBER'S A TERRIBLE TIME TO COME UP WITH TAX MONEY.
SO
AND THEN NEXT YEAR YOU'LL ONLY BUDGET.
WELL THEN, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WITH OUR REQUESTS, I, YOU KNOW, AS, AS THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS COMING TO AND ASKING FOR A SPECIAL ANALYSIS OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WOULD HAVE TO GIVE SOMEBODY IN YOUR STAFF TO WORK EXTRA HOURS TO, YOU KNOW, TO GIVE US THE INFORMATION.
SO I'M, YOU KNOW, I WOULD YOU DON'T MIND FOR ME, I, YEAH,
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OH YEAH.YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GET PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES PEOPLE SAY HERE, LATE AT NIGHT TRYING TO PUT A, AN ANALYSIS TOGETHER THAT A BOARD MEMBER HAS REQUESTED.
SO, AND WE'RE CERTAINLY WILLING TO, WHATEVER.
LET US HAVE, UM, THE NEXT THING I'VE HIGHLIGHTED IS, UM, ATTORNEY'S FEES AT 3,500.
I DO WANNA BECOME VERY AGGRESSIVE WITH COLLECTIONS.
SO WE'VE ALREADY SENT A LOT OF STUFF TO TAX.
I WAS GONNA ASK WHAT THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES WERE, BUT 'CAUSE THEY WEREN'T IN 23, BUT NOW YES.
UM, SO WHEN YOU SAY THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE BECOMING AGGRESSIVE WITH THE, UH, UH, WITH THE COLLECTIONS, DOES DOES THAT MEAN THE, THE THE FOLKS WHO HAVEN'T PAID IN A NUMBER OF YEARS OR? WELL, WE HAVE, RIGHT NOW THIS, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS, UM, MS. FREDERICK HAS SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN THE LAST MONTH GETTING ME NUMBERS.
WE HAVE $12 MILLION IN DELINQUENT TAXES.
SO A LOT OF THAT IS PERSONAL PROPERTY, BUT I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S ACROSS THE BOARD.
THERE'S 2 MILLION IN REAL ESTATE.
THERE'S A LONG IN SANITARY DISTRICTS.
SO, UM, TAX IS GOING TO START WORKING ON OUR PERSONAL PROPERTY AS WELL.
UP UNTIL THIS POINT, THEY HAVE NOT, THEY'VE ONLY WORKED ON, UM, REAL ESTATE TAXES.
SO, UM, MY INTENTION IS TO GIVE THEM EVERYTHING THAT WE WE'RE UNABLE TO COLLECT.
UM, FOR INSTANCE, THERE HAVEN'T BEEN ANY DMV STOPS DONE SINCE 2019.
THAT IS AN, THAT IS A VERY EFFECTIVE COLLECTION TOOL.
SO FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THERE WAS A PROBLEM WITH THE DMV, THE, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT WAS, UM, AN AUTHORIZATION ISSUE.
SO THE, THERE WERE SOME THAT WERE TRIED, UM, TO BE COMPLETED IN 2019, EARLY 2 20, 20 20, BUT IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
SO I'M GOING TO WORK TO GET THAT MOVING.
UM, WE'VE NOT DONE DISTRESS WARRANTS OR IN 2014 THERE WERE 377 GARNISHMENTS.
SO, UM, I WANT TO, I WANNA PUSH THOSE NUMBERS.
SO I FELT LIKE THE ATTORNEY'S FEES, THAT MIGHT INCREASE A LITTLE BIT.
WHERE IS THAT UNDER, THAT IS UNDER PROFESSIONAL SERVICES.
SO THE, THE INVESTMENT IS THAT WE, WE, UH, APPROVED $3,500 AND THE RETURN IS 12 MILLION
AND I JUST WANNA ADD, I APPRECIATE YOU REALLY DEEP DIVING INTO THIS.
BUT I KNOW SOMETIMES YOU GOTTA SHIFT YOUR RESOURCES, BUT AT LEAST IT'S GETTING THE ATTENTION THAT IT DESERVES.
AND I THANK YOU FOR DEEP DIVING.
WELL THAT'S, I KNOW THAT THAT IS REVENUE THAT THE COUNTY MEETS.
AND DO MY BEST TO, TO BRING THAT IN.
THE COMPUTER AND EQUIPMENT SERVICES.
UM, I'M NOT REALLY SURE EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS, BUT I DO HAVE, DOWN HERE UNDER LEASE, WE NEED A NEW COPIER REALLY BADLY.
SO WE DON'T HAVE A COPIER THAT WORKS, WE DON'T HAVE A SCANNER.
SO I'M GONNA LOOK AT DOING A NEW LEASE ON A COPIER THAT WORKS.
UM, AND I DID PUT IN THE BUDGET FOR UNDER COMPUTER EQUIPMENT 2000 AND THAT'S FOR A COUPLE OF SCANNERS AND POSSIBLY A LAPTOP.
SO LET ME ASK THE QUESTION TO DR.
SO WITH THESE, UM, IT, UH, EQUIPMENT AND, AND SERVICE CONTRACTS, DOESN'T THIS FALL UNDERNEATH HER? IT YES.
WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S COORDINATED WITH MR. JONES.
SO DO ALL THE DEPARTMENTS PAY FOR THEIR IT OR IS IT LIKE THE IT DEPARTMENT IS KIND OF LIKE A COST CENTER? WE'VE BEEN MOVING ALL OF THEM INTO THE COST CENTER AS IT.
SO IT'S A, UNLESS IT'S A SPECIFIC GRANT OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE THAT COMES FROM THE DEPARTMENT.
BUT WE'VE BEEN WORKING TO MOVE ALL OF THEM IN.
LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT THOSE MOBILE TERMINALS THE OTHER NIGHT THAT THE IDEA IS TO BRING ALL OF THEM INTO THE IT BUDGET.
SO THIS WOULD, SO THIS WOULD BE PART OF
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IT AS WELL.THE NEXT, UM, ITEM, THEY KIND OF WORK TOGETHER.
SO I'LL SPEAK TO BOTH OF THEM.
THE PRINTING AND MINDING AND THE POSTAGE.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE ACTUAL NUMBERS FOR PRINTING IN 2023 WAS OVER 25,000 FOR THE PRINTING AND 68,000 FOR THE POSTAGE.
WE'VE ALREADY, THE NUMBERS THAT ARE THERE FOR 2024, THE ACTUAL NUMBERS.
AND WE STILL HAVE A LONG WAYS TO GO.
SO WE STILL HAVE ANOTHER BILL SESSION TO GO OUT.
UM, SO I FELT LIKE 27,000 AND 70,000 WAS ACTUALLY CONSERVATIVE ON BOTH OF, OF THOSE.
BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO GO TOO HIGH.
SO I KNOW, I THINK IF, IF I DON'T, I'M SORRY SHERRY, TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.
I KNOW WE HAD A COMPENSATION OFFLINE AND THAT THERE'S SOME BILL COMING DOWN WHERE WE MAY HAVE TO START MODIFYING THE, THE, UM, THE STATEMENTS I, THAT GOES OUT WHERE WE HAVE TO BE MORE, UM, SHOWING PRIOR, PRIOR, UH, ASSESSMENT AND THE CURRENT ASSESSMENT AND THAT KIND OF THING.
AND, AND IF THAT'S TRUE, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ASSESSMENTS WHEN WE SEND OUT, WHEN WE REDO THE REASSESSMENT.
WE HAVE TO TELL THEM YOUR OLD ASSESSMENT IS $1,000.
YOUR NEW ASSESSMENT IS $1,005.
SO THERE'S SOME KIND OF MODIF, YOU KNOW, CHANGES TO, TO THE STATEMENT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OFFICIAL TERM, THE REASSESSMENT NOTICE, YOU KNOW, SO, UM, SO WOULD THAT AFFECT THE TREASURER WHEN IT COMES TO, NO.
UM, AND THE LAST ITEM THAT I HAD HIGHLIGHTED IS OFFICE SUPPLIES.
UM, THE ACTUAL IN 2023 WAS 13,800.
BUT I THINK THAT WE CAN KEEP IT WITHIN THE 12,300.
I WAS WONDERING ON THE POSTAGE, ARE WE STATUTORILY REQUIRED TO SNAIL MAIL? THOSE OUT? THERE ARE.
'CAUSE I WAS THINKING FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE, FOR AT LEAST THE REAL ESTATE TAX, IF THEY'RE IN ESCROW.
UM, SAVE A LOT OF PAPER BY EMAILING THOSE OUT.
BUT I GUESS IT'S NOT, WE ARE BY STATUTE.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I LOOKED INTO.
'CAUSE I'M LIKE, OH MY GOODNESS, THAT WOULD SAVE SO MUCH MONEY.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS I WANT TO GET? WHAT'S THE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
I, I LOVE THE IDEA OF PURSUING $12 MILLION OF BILLING COURT MONEY.
I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT 3,500 BUYS, LIKE 10 HOURS OF AN ATTORNEY OR SOMETHING.
WHAT, WHAT'S THAT? WHAT'S BEING BOUGHT WITH 3,500? WHY DON'T YOU NEED 35,000 FOR THE ATTORNEY'S FEES? FOR WHATEVER THE COLLECTIONS ARE? I MEAN, SO ACTUALLY THE ATTORNEYS, MOST OF THE FEES ARE ROLLED OVER INTO, BACK INTO THE TAXPAYERS WHAT THEY HAVE TO PAY, PAY, UM, AND IF THEY HAVE A SALE, THEN THAT THOSE FEES ARE IN THERE.
THE ATTORNEYS ARE PAID THROUGH THAT.
BUT THERE ARE SOME FEES THAT THEY CHARGE UP FRONT.
AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS TO COVER, TO COVER.
IF WE, AND A LOT OF THOSE, WE MAY GET BACK, BUT I JUST WANTED SOME CUSHION IF WE HAD SOME, THE PRINCIPLE FEE FOR COLLECTION IS YES.
THE OUT COMING OUT OF WHAT'S BEEN GOING.
AND HAS THAT BEEN, HAS THAT, WHAT'S THE PROCESS FOR SELECTING THAT AGENCY OR, OR THERE MORE THAN ONE? I REALLY DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY ENDED UP COMING UP WITH THAT FEE, BUT I WILL TELL YOU THIS.
IS THAT THAT'S WHAT IT IS ACROSS THE BOARD PRETTY MUCH.
THE ALPHABET WAS ACTUALLY SPLIT.
UM, SO THE FIRST PART OF THE ALPHABET POND, UM, DANIEL POND WAS DOING THOSE COLLECTIONS.
AND THE LAST PART OF THE ALPHABET TAX WAS DOING THOSE, UM, UP TO WHEN OR OR ARE THEY STILL UNDER CONTRACT? NEITHER TAX IS.
WHEN, WHEN WAS THAT CONTRACT FINISHED? DECEMBER 31ST.
SO THAT'S ACTUALLY INTERESTING THAT YOU SPLIT IT BECAUSE THAT ALLOWS US TO GO SEE WHO PERFORMED BETTER AND UH, LOOK AT THEM FOR FUTURE CHOICE.
IT WAS, IT WAS VERY CLEAR CUT.
SO ARE WE SOLICITING SOMEONE FOR THE SECOND, FOR THE OTHER SPLIT NOW? WELL, AT THIS POINT ABOUT TO, WE ARE GIVING EVERYTHING
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TO TAX.THEY HAVE BEEN VERY EFFECTIVE.
SO, UM, AND I DID RESEARCH WITH OTHER TREASURERS, UM, BECAUSE OF COURSE AT CONFERENCE, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION OF THAT.
UM, AND THEY, THEY ARE SPOKEN OF VERY HIGHLY.
SO, AND UM, SO THEY DO THIS FOR A LOT OF, UH, ENTITIES THEN? YES, THEY DO.
CAN THEY PRODUCE? THAT'S ALL THEY DO.
CAN THEY PRODUCE OR HAVE THEY PRODUCED A, UH, PROJECTION OF, OF INCOME BASED ON WHAT THEY'VE SEEN? SO WE'VE, WE, WE DO WANT THEM TO DO THAT, BUT THEY HAVEN'T HAD A FULL, LIKE, THIS JUST HAPPENED IN JANUARY.
THEY'VE HAD HALF OF IT FOR A WHILE.
UM, BUT THEY'VE NOT DONE ANY PERSONAL PROPERTY.
SO UNTIL, BUT WE ARE IN THE PROCESS NOW.
WE'VE ALREADY SENT THEM SOME SPREADSHEETS AND SOME PRINTOUTS, SO, OKAY.
SO ARE, IS THAT A DELIVERABLE? THEY HAVE TO PRODUCE A PROJECTION FOR US? I CAN ASK THEM.
WE NEED, WE SHOULD PROBABLY, I CAN ASK THEM FOR A PROJECTION THE, JUST BASED ON THEIR STATISTICS FOR THE NEXT, NEXT 12 MONTHS.
HOW DOES THAT, HOW FAR BACK DOES THAT $12 MILLION GO? I MEAN, IS THAT BACK TO THE FIFTIES OR SOMETHING? I MEAN, HOW FAR BACK? NO, NO, 2019 BECAUSE WE ONLY TO 2019 ON PERSONAL PROPERTY THAT INCLUDE, YOU CAN ONLY KEEP FIVE YEARS.
THAT MEANS CARS OLDER THAN, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT REAL PROPERTY.
OH, REAL PROPERTY IS 20 YEARS.
AND REAL ESTATE PROPERTY IS 20 YEARS.
HOWEVER, WITH PERSONAL PROPERTY, IF YOU GET A JUDGMENT, THEN YOU'VE GOT 20 YEARS.
IF YOU DON'T GET A JUDGMENT, YOU HAVE FIVE YEARS.
SO THERE ARE SOME THAT, THAT WE DO HAVE JUDGMENTS ON THAT ARE OLD, GOING BACK TO 2014.
UM, SO I LOOKED INTO THAT AND YOU CAN STILL COLLECT.
THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN PURGED FROM OUR BRIGHT SYSTEM.
SO I'M IN THE PROCESS OF ASKING HOW DO I GET THOSE PUT BACK ON THE SYSTEM SO THAT WE CAN, THERE'S ONE ACCOUNT THAT'S $12,000, WE HAVE A JUDGMENT.
SO WE SHOULD AT LEAST TRY AND PURSUE THAT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT BEEN DONE.
HOW DOES YOUR DEPARTMENT INTERFACE WITH OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT? THERE'S AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS THAT A, UM, THAT ANYBODY WHO IS DOING ANY CONSTRUCTION, REGARDLESS IF, IF A IF IT'S THE CONTRACTOR OR THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY CANNOT GET A BUILDING PERMIT UNLESS THEIR TAXES HAVE ALL BEEN PAID AND THEY'RE GREAT, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GREAT ABOUT THAT, ACTUALLY THEY'LL CALL US.
SO THERE IS, THEY, THEY, AS IN WHO WOULD CALL YOU FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
THEY'LL CALL AND SAY, WE HAVE, WE HAVE THIS, YOU KNOW, ARE, ARE THEY CLEAR? AND IF WE NEED TO SEE THEM, WE'LL SAY, PLEASE HAVE 'EM COME DOWN THE TREASURER'S OFFICE.
SO, SO WHEN YOU SAY THAT THERE'S A 20% FEE ON THAT, IS THAT 20% OF THE COLLECTION OR IS THAT 20% ON TOP OF WHAT IS COLLECTED? THAT IS THE ATTORNEY'S FEE.
SO THEY DON'T ALWAYS COLLECT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE SALE ISN'T ALWAYS, DOESN'T ALWAYS PAY EVERYTHING OFF, BUT THEIR FEE, IT COMES OFF OF THE TOP, THEIR 20%.
AND ED MAY HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF THAT.
I WAS JUST GOING BACK TO MR. BUTLER'S QUESTION.
IF THE BILL, IF THEY COLLECT $2,000, WE GET 1600.
WELL, I THINK THE MORE THEY COLLECT, THE MORE YEAH.
A TO DO I WOULD TO DO REALLY WOULD BE GOOD TO GO GET WITH THEM AND GET A, GET A PROJECTION.
A PROJECTION FOR THE FISCAL YEAR.
AND YOU KNOW, AS FAR, AS FAR AS THEY'RE COMFORTABLE UNTIL JUNE 30TH OR WELL, YEAH.
THEY, I KNOW THAT THEY HAVE SALES READY TO GO LATE SPRING.
UM, IT'S JUST, IT'S A PER, IT'S A ASKING FOR PROJECTION.
ISN'T THEM GUARANTEEING US A CASHFLOW? NO.
I'LL ASK THEM FOR PROJECT, A PROJECTED AMOUNT FOR THE FISCAL YEAR AND THEN TO DECEMBER AS WELL.
DO YOU WANT, AS FAR AS THEY'RE COMFORTABLE, 12 MONTHS, THERE'S ONLY A REA THERE'S A REASONABLE WINDOW THAT THEY'D BE FEEL COMFORTABLE PROJECTING FOR.
SO, SO I, I GUESS THE REASON WHY I'M ASKING THIS IS BECAUSE LET'S SAY THAT THERE'S, YOU, YOU SAID THAT THERE'S $12 MILLION IN, IN, IN BACK TAXES THAT ARE OWED.
AND LET'S SAY THAT, UH, THAT WE'RE ONLY SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING 75% OF THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, SO THEN THAT'D BE $9 MILLION AND THEN WE COULD ALSO, UH, DEDUCT ANOTHER EIGHT, UH, 1.8 MILLION
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OFF THE TOP OF THAT FOR THE ATTORNEY'S FEES IF THE ATTORNEY'S INVOLVED IN THAT.UM, SO THEY PUT THEIR FEE INTO THE SALE.
SO IF, IF THERE IS ENOUGH TO PAY THE TAXES TO PAY ALL THE OTHER FEES, THEY MAY GET A FULL 20% IF THEY DON'T GET, BUT THAT'S ADDED.
IF THE TAXPAYER PAYS FOR THE TAXES, THEY PAY FOR THE COLLECTION.
NONE OF THAT FEE COMES BACK TO US.
SO WE WOULD GET, SAY THEY ARE COLLECTING AND IT DOESN'T GO TO SALE, THE TAXPAYERS PAY, THEN ALL OF THEIR FEES ARE ADDED ON WHAT THE TAXPAYER HAS TO PAY TO KEEP THEIR HOME FROM GOING TO SALE.
SO IF THEY, IF THEY AVERT A TAX SALE BY PAYING RIGHT, THEN WE GET ALL THE BACK TAXES.
AND THE AND THEY GET, GET THEIR MONEY TO YES, SIR.
AND I GUESS THAT'S ONE OF THE CASES WHERE, SAY LIKE, UM, SOMEBODY, YOU HAVE AN ESTATE WHERE THE INDIVIDUAL DE YOU KNOW, UH, DECEASED FIVE YEARS AGO, THE TAXES HAVEN'T BEEN PAID.
AND THE, UH, AND SO THAT PUT 'EM OUT, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, IF A IF THE AUCTION COVERS THE BACK TAXES, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
AND THEN ANYTHING ELSE WOULD GO TO THE ESTATE? YES, SIR.
AND AND LASTLY, I'M, I'M ASSUMING THEY HAVE SOME SANITY CHECKS IN THERE SO THEY'RE NOT CHASING AFTER A NICKEL SOMETIMES.
'CAUSE I'VE HEARD OF PEOPLE LOSING THEIR HOME IN THESE STORIES.
YOU, YOU SEE SOMETIMES WHERE, YOU KNOW, YES.
THEY'RE, THEY ARE VERY PROFESSIONAL.
THEY'RE LIKE, I, ALL THESE ATTORNEYS DO YEAH.
ARE, UM, TAX COLLECTIONS AND AUCTIONS.
SO, UM, THEY GO THROUGH A WHOLE PROCESS BEFORE IT GETS TO THAT STAGE.
SO I, I DON'T SEE THEM DOING THAT.
AND ALSO, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THE COUNTY DOES HAVE A, UH, PAYMENT PLAN, RIGHT? WE DO.
THEY CAN REQUEST TO PAY IT OFF INCREMENTALLY.
THEY CAN PAY SO MUCH EVERY MONTH.
SO, AND THEY WORK ON THAT FIRST.
THAT'S, THERE ARE MANY STEPS THAT THEY TAKE BEFORE THEY GET TO ACTUALLY SELLING SOMEONE'S HOME.
SO IF I COULD JUST ADD A RECOMMENDATION, I KNOW YOU'RE NEW AND BUSY AND GETTING, GETTING YOUR ARMS AROUND EVERYTHING, BUT JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
AND IT'S NOT REQUIRED TO, TO RESPOND BACK TO ME.
BUT GOING BACK TO THE, UH, THE TAX, UM, THE DELINQUENT TAXES AND THE ORDINANCE OF PEOPLE NOT GETTING, UM, INSPECTIONS, PERMITS, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO GET THAT LIST AND RECONCILE IT TO THE CURRENT LIST THAT WE HAVE.
TO SEE HOW EFFECTIVE THAT HAS BEEN TO YEAH.
JUST TO GIVE A PERFORMANCE MEASUREMENT TO YOURSELF AND, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE SOMETIMES THINGS SLIPPED SLIP THROUGH THE CRACK, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A VERY GOOD IDEA.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT, THAT, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN ANY TALLY ON THAT.
'CAUSE YEAH, IF IT, IT'S PRETTY INFORMAL.
UM, YOU KNOW, THEY DO NEED TO COME DOWN AND SEE US.
AND THEN I JUST, I MADE A PAYMENT ARRANGEMENT LAST WEEK, SO YEAH.
IT JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST TO DOUBLE CHECK, YOU KNOW, AND IT'D BE AN INTEREST.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? JUST MY LAST ONE.
AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, SO THE 12 MILLION IS REAL AND PERSONAL PROPERTY? IT'S EVERYTHING.
UM, AND IS THERE A SPLIT ON THAT OR DO YOU, OR DO YOU I HAVE THE NUMBERS.
SO THE PERSONAL PROPERTY AND VEHICLE LICENSE FROM 2019 TO 2023 IS $8,465,957.
AND WE'LL LEAVE OFF THE CENTS.
REAL ESTATE FROM OH FOUR TO 23 IS 2,276,848.
UM, AND NOW WE'RE GETTING INTO THE SANITARY DISTRICTS.
SHENANDOAH FARMS IS 1,000,020 9,744.
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LODGING TAX IS 39,392 AND BUSINESS LICENSE IS 315,000 FOR THAT SH 64 FOR THAT SHENANDOAH FARMS NUMBER.IS THAT CONCENTRATED IN A HANDFUL OF LANDOWNERS? UH, UM, YES AND NO.
THERE IS ONE BIG TRACK THAT IS MULTIPLE LOTS, UM, THAT IS ONE OWNER AND THAT I MIGHT HAVE THAT SPECIFIC NUMBER.
BUT, UM, WELL, JUST SO THE BOARD KNOWS THAT ON THE, OUR ON OUR WEBSITE, THEY POST THIS LIST ON OUR, ON OUR WEB, UM, ON, I THINK IT'S UNDER THE, THE TREASURER'S WEBSITE.
BUT I'VE NEVER, I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING ANY FISH THAT BIG A A A MILLION DOLLARS OR ANYTHING NEAR THAT.
BECAUSE BECAUSE WHAT I DO, WHEN I GET THE LIST, YOU KNOW, I CONVERT IT TO AN EXCEL SPREADSHEET AND I SORT AND, AND I FIND ALL THE NUMBERS.
THAT'S GOOD THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE IT IS.
SO THE CALENDAR YEAR, WE COLLECTED THE CALENDAR YEAR OF 23.
WE COLLECTED 16 MILLION 237, 836 IN PERSONAL PROPERTY, AND 31,000 NINE HUNDRED EIGHTY EIGHT, THREE HUNDRED AND TEN IN REAL ESTATE COLLECTED.
THAT'S ACTUALLY THE CALENDAR YEAR.
UM, SO AS FAR AS THE MEALS TAX AND THE LODGING TAX, I HAVE NOT DELVED INTO THAT AT ALL.
SO, UM, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO CONCENTRATE ON THE REAL ESTATE AND THE PERSONAL PROPERTY.
SO, SO THE MEALS TAX AND THE LODGING TAX THAT COMES FROM, FROM BUSINESSES IN, IN THE AREA? IT DOES.
AND THE, AND SO THIS IS WHAT THEY, THEY OWE THE COUNTY AS FAR AS THEIR, THE, THE TAXES.
AS I SAY, I HAVE NOT DELVED INTO THAT AT ALL.
UM, WHEN I ASKED HER TO, UM, MS. FREDERICK TO RUN NUMBERS FOR ME, I ASKED HER TO RUN THEM ALL.
SO, 'CAUSE I WANTED, UH, BUT I, I HAVE NOT DELVED INTO THAT.
AND ALSO, I REALLY DON'T KNOW.
WELL, I'M, I'M JUST CURIOUS, YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS, BUT THE, UH, ON THE BUSINESS LICENSES, DO PEOPLE HAVE TO REDO THAT EVERY YEAR AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE BEHIND? THEY DO.
ANY THANK YOU QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
HOPE I DIDN'T APPEAR TOO NERVOUS.
BEFORE WE GO ONTO THE NEXT, UM, UH, DEPARTMENT, I WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION TO, UH, TO, UH, ALYSSA
SO ALYSSA, I'M LOOKING, I KNOW WE HAVE A NEW DATABASE AND THIS IS THE FIRST TIME ALL THESE NUMBERS HAVE JUST BEEN THROWN AT ME, YOU KNOW, AND DEFINED IN DIFFERENT WAYS.
AND, AND SO WHEN I DO AN ANALYSIS, I WANNA MAKE SURE I'M LOOKING AT THE RIGHT NUMBER.
SO WE HAVE AN ADOPTED BUDGET, WE HAVE AN AMENDED BUDGET, AND THEN WE HAVE THE ACTUALS.
SO NOW I KNOW WHAT THE, UH, ADOPTED BUDGET IS, WHAT WE APPROVE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE, THE FISCAL YEAR.
THAT'S WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE HEARINGS AND YEP.
WE'RE GONNA GO WITH THAT ACTUALS.
RIGHT? WELL, I ASSUME EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT AN ACTUAL IS.
SO NOW WE COME TO THE AMENDED.
SO THAT IS THE MONEY THAT WE APPROPRIATE AFTER WE APPROVE THE BUDGET.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
SO THAT COULD BE A COMBINATION OF MANY THINGS.
COULD I SAY THAT LIKE, OKAY, FOR EXAMPLE, LAST YEAR WE, UM, WE PROJECTED THAT THE, UM, THE YEARLY INCREASE FOR THE STAFF WAS GONNA BE 5%.
AND THEN WE, WE BUDGET THAT IN, BUT THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S LIKE, OOH, WE GOTTA DO 7%.
NOW, WOULD THAT BE A REASON WHY THE, UM, ADOPTED BUDGET WOULD BE AMENDED? WOULD THAT BE ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THAT WOULD HAPPEN? YES.
THE AMENDED IS ONLY THROUGH CORPORATIONS AND TRANSCRIPT BY THE FLOOR.
BECAUSE I LOOK AT THESE, THESE NUMBERS AND YOU HAVE ACTUAL, I MEAN YOU HAVE THE ADOPTED MORE THAN THE AMENDED.
SO THOSE ARE, LIKE I SAID, WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THIS IS THAT WE WOULD BE INCREASING THAT BUDGET AND WE HAVE TO DO THAT BY CODE OR SOMETHING.
WE HAVE TO, UM, UM, APPROPRIATE IT.
AND THESE THINGS COME THROUGH TO US THROUGH THE, THE TRANSFER, UM, ONCE A MONTH OUR, OUR, UM, ACCOUNT TRANSFERS AND STUFF.
SO GOING BACK TO THE AMENDED, SO THAT WOULD BE ONE EXAMPLE THAT THE BUDGET WOULD GET UP.
WOULD IT BE ANOTHER EXAMPLE WOULD BE BECAUSE OF GRANTS, A DEPARTMENT WENT OUT AND GOT A GRANT
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TO PAY FOR SOME.AND SO WOULD THAT BE PART OF THE AMENDED? THAT'S STILL ONE OF THE AMENDMENTS.
YOU MAKE YOU AS THE BOARD APPROVE THAT WE'RE GOING TO INCREASE THE REVENUE IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE FOR $15,000.
UH, CAPTAIN BROGAN HAS A GRANT FOR SOMETHING.
AND HE GET, WE, YOU INCREASE IN YOUR APPROPRIATIONS, YOU INCREASE EXACTLY $15,000.
SO THAT'S ONE, ONE WAY THAT, BUT THEY ALL COME IN.
I AM NOT QUESTIONING THAT WE ARE NOT APPROVING THEM.
I'M JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY WHAT THAT NUMBER MEANS WHEN I DO AN ANALYSIS.
THAT'S ALL I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE, IF A DEPARTMENT GOT A GRANT DURING THAT FISCAL YEAR AND THEN THEY COULDN'T GET THE GRANT NEXT YEAR AND THEY BASE THEIR BUDGET ON THE AMENDED, THEN THEY WOULD OVERRUN THEN FOLLOWING YEAR IF THEY DIDN'T GET THE GRANT.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO GET MY ARMS AROUND LIKE, OKAY, WHEN I, WHEN I DO MY, MY ANALYSIS, DO I, DO I LOOK AT THE AMENDED, YOU KNOW, AS MY BASELINE OF IF THEIR, THEIR BUDGET'S GOING UP WITH THEIR BUDGET'S GOING DOWN, OR DO I WANNA JUST STAY WITH THE ADOPTED? BUT I DON'T THINK I REALLY WANTED TO STAY WITH THE ADOPTED, BECAUSE LOOK AT BOTH.
YOU NEED, YOU NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT, WHAT YOU ACTUALLY APPROPRIATED IN, IN JUNE UHHUH.
AND THEN YOU NEED TO LOOK HOW IT'S BEEN AMENDED AND THINK ABOUT, WELL, THIS NUMBER WAS AMENDED BECAUSE YEAH, THIS IS WHAT WE DID.
SO THAT'S GONNA BE THERE NEXT YEAR.
AND THIS IS WHAT WE DID ON THIS NUMBER AND NO, THAT'S NOT GONNA BE THERE.
SO WE'RE GONNA GO BACK AND USE THE OTHER ONE.
AND YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT BOTH COLUMNS.
'CAUSE THAT'S KIND OF WHAT MY CONCLUSION WHEN I'M GOING THROUGH THESE REPORTS.
DO WE HAVE, UH, A LISTING OR A RECORD? I KNOW LAST YEAR WITH THE, THE REPORTS WE WERE ABLE TO SEE THE PROJECTED, WHAT THE DEPARTMENTS PROJECTED IN GRANTS, AND THAT WAS OFFSETTING OUR REVENUE.
WE WERE ABLE TO SEE THAT ALL TOGETHER WHERE I WENT TO THE REVENUE HOPING TO KIND OF SEE THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT MIRRORED WHAT I'M USED TO SEEING AND IT, IT'S NOT THERE.
AND THAT COULD BE THIS, MY IGNORANCE OF THE, OF THE SYSTEM, YOU KNOW, AND I, AND I'LL TOTALLY ACCEPT THAT.
SO IS THERE ANY, ANY WAY THAT WE CAN SEE, UH, WHAT CAUSED THE AMENDMENTS LAST, UH, LAST YEAR? WE CAN PROVIDE A LISTING OF ALL THE APPROPRIATIONS AND TRANSFERS.
WAS GONNA MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE IN THE AMEND.
YEAH, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, I'M SITTING HERE AND I'M JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT, OKAY, BUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE ADOPTED AND THE AMENDMENT.
IT'S LIKE, UH, 10, 10 K LET'S SAY.
AND THEN I LOOK AT THE BUDGET AND I GO, WELL, OKAY, YOU KNOW, IT GOES BACK TO MY PLUS OR MINUS 10%
SO I, I KIND OF GO, OKAY, THAT COULD BE INFLATION OR, YOU KNOW, I, I THAT'S OKAY.
BUT, BUT IF THE, BUT IF, BUT THE AMENDMENT IS A LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT YOU'RE BASING YOUR NEW BUDGET ON AND IT'S, YOU DON'T BASE THE BUDGET, WE DON'T BASE THE NEW BUDGET OFF FRAMES THAT WE HAVE NOT YET RECEIVED, THAT WE HAVE NOT YET RECEIVED.
BUT, BUT IT, WITH AMENDMENT, WITH AN AMENDMENT, WE DID RECEIVE THEM.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN THIS NUMBER.
SO YEAH, WHENEVER YOU HAVE A CHANCE, YOU KNOW, YOUR STAFF, IF YOU CAN JUST, OR YOU CAN DIRECT ME, YOU KNOW, FROM THE PORTAL OR SOMETHING WHERE I CAN, UM, LOOK AT ALL THE TRANSFERS, UM, TO SEE WHAT WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF TRANSFERS THAT MADE THE AMENDMENT, UM, VALUE GO UP.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TOO HARD TO ASK.
IT WOULD JUST BE A LISTING OF ALL THE THAT'S FINE.
I, I'LL PUT IN MY SPREADSHEET AND I'LL GO, YOU KNOW,
YOU GUYS ARE REALLY BUSY AND I'M STILL WAITING FOR THE AUDIT, SO NO, NO.
I HAVE TIME TO DO THAT, SO NO WORRY.
AND IF I HAVE ANY ISSUES, I'LL JUST GO TO YOUR STAFF THAT, UM, BUT YEAH, THANK YOU DR.
'CAUSE YOU KIND OF, YOU KNOW, UH, VALIDATED THE WAY I'M LOOKING AT THIS, YOU KNOW, SO, OKAY.
THE OTHER COMMENT I NEED TO MAKE, MA'AM, BEFORE WE GO FURTHER IS THE BOARD SHOULD NOT LOOK TOO EXCITED ABOUT THESE DELINQUENT TAXES.
ANY DELINQUENT TAXES THAT YOU GET THAT GOES INTO YOUR REPORT AND IT SHOWS THE PRIOR YEAR.
YOU HAVE A PRIOR YEAR TAXES IN YOUR REVENUES AND THAT'S A BONUS AND YOU BUDGET AN AMOUNT IN THERE.
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VOLUME HAS BEEN THERE FOR YEARS NOW, PERSONAL PROPERTY SHOULD IMPROVE IF SHE GOES BACK TO USING THE, UH, USING DMV, WE'RE ALLOWED TO PUT A STOP.AND IF SHE GOES BACK TO DOING THAT, THAT'S GONNA IMPROVE THAT.
UM, THE COLLECTIONS 20 YEARS, $2 MILLION.
SO DON'T GET, DON'T GET TOO EXCITED.
THAT'S WHAT YOU TOLD ME TWO YEARS AGO WHEN I SAID, WE HAVE THIS MUCH MONEY.
NO, MS. COOK, YOU CAN'T SPEND IT.
OKAY, ARE WE READY? SO I, I GUESS BASED ON THAT YOU COULD SAY THAT A RULE OF THUMB IS THAT, UH, UH, IF YOU GOT $12 MILLION, YOU COULD, YOU COULD SAY THAT, OKAY, WE MAY BE LUCKY IF WE GET HALF OF THAT OR THE, NOT THE 12 MILLION, BUT THE $8 MILLION IN PERSONAL PROPERTY, MAYBE A THIRD A YEAR, THEY SEE IT ABOUT ABOUT A THIRD MM-HMM,
AND THEN, THEN WE STILL HAVE TO KICK OFF THAT, THAT 20%, YOUR, YOUR GOAL SHOULD BE TO HAVE YOUR REVENUE SET SO THAT YOU THINK YOU ARE GOING TO EARN 105% OF THAT.
IF YOU THINK YOU'RE GONNA GET 105 MILLION, THEN YOU SHOULD BUDGET YOUR REVENUES AT A HUNDRED MILLION.
SO THAT YOU'VE GOT SOME FLEXIBILITY IN THERE WHEN THE FEDS DO SOMETHING OR THE STATE DOES SOMETHING AND SOMETHING GOES KAPUT FOR YOU AND THE, THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR, YOU'VE GOT SOME CUSHION IN THERE.
ARE WE READY TO MOVE ON? LET'S SEE,
[C. Department of Economic Development & Tourism - Budget Request]
MR. PETTY FOR THE, UM, DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, IS THAT WHERE YOU WANNA START OR TOURISM? YEP.SO, UH, THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR BOARD.
SO YEAH, TONIGHT WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THE COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOURISM, NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH THE EDA, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN DAY NEXT WEEK.
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
AND SO IN THIS BUDGET YOU WILL SEE, UM, THERE IS A LINE ITEM THAT'S TRANSFERRED TO EDA FUND.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT WE IGNORE THAT NUMBER TONIGHT BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, WE'LL HAVE A WHOLE NIGHT TO DISCUSS IT NEXT WEEK AND WHAT THAT NUMBER IS AND HOW THAT NUMBER'S CALCULATED.
AND SO THE $1.2 MILLION LINE ITEM YES.
WE WILL, WE WILL DISCUSS THAT NEXT WEEK.
UM, SO THIS IS THE FIRST YEAR REALLY THAT WE HAVE DONE TOURISM BUDGET THAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT TONIGHT.
WE'VE HISTORICALLY HAD IT AS A LINE ITEM TOURISM, 'CAUSE WE HAVE WORKED JOINTLY WITH THE TOWN AND, UM, THAT WAS 200,000.
AND SO THIS YEAR'S BUDGET WAS ADOPTED WHEN WE WERE STILL JOINT.
SO NOW THAT WE HAVE OUR OWN DEPARTMENT EXPERIENCE, WARREN COUNTY, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE GONNA BREAK IT DOWN INTO LINE ITEMS AS WE SHOULD.
SO WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE SPENDING THAT TOURISM FUNDING ON.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK THROUGH THIS BUDGET, IF YOU LOOK AT LAST YEAR'S NUMBERS VERSUS THIS YEAR'S NUMBERS, YOU'LL SEE QUITE A DIFFERENCE.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE IT IS BOTH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND TOURISM.
UM, AND THEN I'LL ALSO JUST NOTE TOO, I, I THINK YOU ALL HAVE A PRINTOUT AND TO AVOID ANY CONFUSION, SOME OF THESE HAVE SUBLINES UNDER THEM AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT.
SO IF YOU TALLY UP THIS ENTIRE ROW, IT'S NOT LIKE IF YOU WERE TO ADD EACH ONE OF THESE NUMBERS AS A TOTAL, UM, IT WOULDN'T BE COMPLETELY ACCURATE BECAUSE IT SHOWS THE TOTAL PLUS THE SUBLINE.
BUT WE'LL, I'LL TOUCH ON THAT WHEN WE'RE AT THOSE SECTIONS.
UM, SO WE'LL START WITH, UH, THE PRINTING AND BINDING PORTION.
UM, IT'S OBVIOUSLY HIGHER THAN LAST YEAR.
SO BIG PART OF TOURISM IS PRINTING AND BINDING, THINK RAT CARDS, BROCHURES, MAPS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO, UM, WE'VE, LESLIE HAS BEEN, OUR TOURISM MANAGER HAS BEEN TOURING THE WELCOME CENTERS IN VIRGINIA WITH VTC.
UM, AND SO WE WOULD LIKE TO GET A SPOT WHEN YOU GO IN THERE TO SEE, UM, WARREN COUNTY.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, JUST THINK OF THINGS SUCH AS THIS, A RAT CARD THAT WILL HAVE EXPERIENCE WARREN COUNTY AND TALK ABOUT WHAT WE OFFER HERE.
UM, AND THEN OTHER HANDOUTS THAT WE CAN GIVE AWAY, UM, AT TOURIST CENTERS, WELCOME CENTERS, VISITOR CENTERS.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE STARTED GETTING PRICING ON WHAT BROCHURES AND
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RACK CARDS WILL COST.YOU KNOW, EACH WELCOME CENTER REQUESTS THAT MINIMUM THAT YOU PROVIDE THEM WITH AT LEAST 5,000 COPIES OF SOMETHING.
AND IF YOU WANT TO BE IN MULTIPLES, UM, THAT, THAT WILL ADD UP.
AND WE WOULD LIKE TO BE SEASONAL IN THAT SENSE TOO.
AND SO IS THAT FOR THE ENTIRE YEAR, THE 5,000? YEP.
WELL, IT, IT CAN ROTATE, JUST WOULD DEPEND, YOU KNOW, UM, GIVEN IF YOU'RE AT THE CLEARBROOK WELCOME CENTER AND IN THE FALL WHEN A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE COMING TO WARREN COUNTY, WE MIGHT GO THROUGH A LOT MORE RACK CARDS DURING THAT TIME.
WE ARE LOOKING TO DO A, WHAT THEY CALL AS A TAKEOVER OF A WELCOME CENTER FOR A MONTH WHERE YOU ARE THE FEATURED LOCALITY.
SO WE'RE LOOKING TO ACTUALLY PARTNER WITH THE TOWN TO HAVE A SPACE IN ONE OF THE WELCOME CENTERS IN APRIL AND POSSIBLY IN OCTOBER WHERE, AND WE WILL EVEN HAVE STAFF WHO WILL SHOW UP AT SOME OF THOSE PROGRAMS TO, UM, MEET WITH GUESTS AND, AND TALK ABOUT WHAT, WHAT OUR OFFERINGS ARE.
SO, UM, BUT THE RACK CARDS ARE JUST PART OF THAT COMPONENT.
UM, SO HOW FAR OUT ARE YOU LOOKING AT, UM, WELCOME CENTERS? WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL OF 'EM.
UM, BUT REALLY IT'S ABOUT TARGETING, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THE WELCOME CENTERS WHEN YOU MEET WITH THEM IN VTC, THEY GIVE YOU GREAT FEEDBACK ON THE VISITORS THAT ARE COMING IN AND WHERE THEY GO.
SO WE'RE GONNA BE STRATEGIC IN THE ONES I 81 IS A KEY, AND THEN, UM, OUTSIDE OF RICHMOND IS ANOTHER IMPORTANT ONE.
UM, BECAUSE THOSE TRAVELERS COMING FROM NORTH CAROLINA OR NORTH ARE, A LOT OF THEM ARE COMING THROUGH HERE.
SO THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WE'RE TARGETING SPECIFICALLY.
THE ONES CLOSER TO VIRGINIA BEACH ARE MORE BEACH CENTRIC, SO, AND OUR PARTNERS HAVE THE VIRGINIA TOURISM CORPORATION'S BEEN GREAT IN KIND OF FACILITATING US AND GIVING US THAT FEEDBACK, WEBSITE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, SO WE'RE CURRENTLY, AS, AS YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE ARPA PROGRAM, WORKING ON DEVELOPING THE EXPERIENCE.
IT'S SEPARATE, BUT UM, ANNUALLY WE'LL HAVE HOSTING FEES FOR ANY EXPERIENCE, WARREN COUNTY WEBSITE.
SO THAT'S WHAT THAT WOULD GO TOWARDS.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE HOPING TO KEEP IT AT THAT.
UM, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVEN'T SELECTED, UH, A VENDOR YET, SO THAT FEE COULD FLUCTUATE DEPENDING ON WHO WE ULTIMATELY CHOOSE.
BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO TARGET THAT AS THIS, AS THE NUMBER.
UM, MISCELLANEOUS SERVICES, I HATE THE NAME MISCELLANEOUS SERVICES, BUT THAT'S REALLY THE BUCKET IN WHICH THESE THREE CATEGORIES COME INTO PLAY.
SO THIS IS KIND OF ONE OF THOSE SUBLINE ITEMS. SO IF YOU LOOK OVER, IT SAYS $6,000 AND THEN, BUT THAT'S 6,000 IS MADE UP FROM 2000 EACH FOR ONE OF THESE SUB-LINE ITEMS. SO JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT.
SO WORLDS OF WORK, IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR, WE'VE SPONSORED THAT IN THE PAST.
IT'S AN EIGHTH GRADE IMMERSIVE HANDS-ON EXPERIENCE.
SO EIGHTH GRADERS THROUGHOUT THE REGION GO TO NANDO UNIVERSITY AND THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'LL HAVE ABOUT A HUNDRED DIFFERENT BUSINESSES THERE WHERE THEY CAN LEARN A CAREER PATH THAT THEY MIGHT WANT TO CHOOSE.
SO WE SPONSORED THAT IN THE PAST OF, BASED OFF OF STUDENT ENROLLMENT WITH WARREN COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
SO HISTORICALLY IT'S BEEN ABOUT 1700.
SO OBVIOUSLY ANY TYPE OF ENROLLMENT CHANGE, 2000 WOULD, WOULD COVER ANY CHANGE THERE.
NORTHERN SHENANDOAH VALLEY IS AN INITIATIVE THROUGHOUT THE REGION THAT INCLUDES FREDERICK WINCHESTER, CLARK PAGE, SHENANDOAH, I THINK I GOT 'EM ALL.
UM, A COUPLE YEARS AGO THEY GOT A GO VIRGINIA GRANT TO HAVE AN INITIATIVE AND THEY DID A FEASIBILITY STUDY AND A MARKET RESEARCH STUDY THROUGH DCI THAT TALKED ABOUT HOW WE CAN RECRUIT TALENT TO LIVE HERE AND WORK HERE.
UM, SO THIS PARTNERSHIP, IT'S PRIMARILY THE PAST FEW YEARS HAS THE WORKLOAD'S FALLEN ON SHENANDOAH AND FREDERICK COUNTY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENTS 'CAUSE THEY'VE BEEN THE MOST STABLE.
UM, ALL THE OTHER ONES HAVE SEEN SOME STAFF TURNOVER, BUT THEY HAVE A WEBSITE, SOCIAL MEDIA, UM, THEY'VE LOOKED AT CONTRACT, WE'VE DONE SOME VIDEOS AND THINGS.
AND THIS IS ALL ABOUT PROMOTING OUR QUALITY OF LIFE AND OUR JOB TALENT RECRUITMENT.
SO THAT $2,000 WOULD JUST ASSIST WITH, YOU KNOW, THEIR WEB HOSTING FEES.
UM, THEY'RE LOOKING, AGAIN, WE ARE EXPLORING A CONSULTANT TO HELP WITH SOME SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS AND THE, AND LIKE THAT.
SO IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THE DCI STUDY REPORT THAT CAME OUT IN 2019, I'D BE HAPPY TO SHARE THAT.
THAT TALKED ABOUT INITIATIVES THAT WE CAN DO AS A REGION TO RECRUIT JOB TALENT HERE.
UM, GO VIRGINIA OPPORTUNITIES, EXCUSE ME.
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WE, WE WILL TYPICALLY GET ASKED TO PARTNER IN A GO VIRGINIA GRANT.UM, WHEN I CAME ON BOARD, IT WAS A NURSING PROGRAM THAT HAPPENED BEFORE ME LAST THAT WE PARTNERED WITH, WE PARTNERED WITH ROUND TWO IN THE SBDC WHERE THEY OFFERED SMALL BUSINESS SERVICES AND WE PAID A THOUSAND DOLLARS AND WE HAD TIME.
RIGHT NOW WE ARE WORKING WITH SHADO COMMUNITY CAPITAL FUND ON AN INCUBATOR, UM, AND STARTUP BUSINESS GROWTH WHERE THEY HAVE A MENTOR PROGRAM.
WE DIDN'T PROVIDE ANY CASH FOR THAT.
SO I SIT IN ON MEETINGS AND, AND HELP WITH THE PROMOTION OF THE PROGRAM.
BUT AS THE YEAR GOES ON AND GO, VIRGINIA HAS OPPORTUNITIES, UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF FUNDING THERE TO SUPPORT IT.
AND HISTORICALLY THEY'VE BEEN IN THE ONE TO $2,000 RANGE.
IF THAT OPPORTUNITY WERE TO BE APPROACHED TO US, WE WOULD COME TO OUR LEADERSHIP AND EXPLAIN WHAT IT IS TO ENSURE THAT WE WANT TO PARTAKE IN IT BECAUSE IT LIKELY WOULD BE A MATCH IN CASH AND TIME.
BUT NO OPPORTUNITIES HAVE BEEN PRESENTED CURRENTLY.
BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A FUNDING OP MECHANISM THERE IF THEY DO.
UM, POSTAGE, UH, IS, YOU KNOW, WE DO MAIL THINGS OUT.
UM, I TRY, EVEN THOUGH WE TALK ABOUT PRINTING AND BINDING, I'M NOT A HUGE FAN OF PRINTING, BUT IT'S STILL A, A BIG THING THAT WE DO.
AND, UM, EXCUSE ME, I HAVE THIS LINGERING COUGH.
UM, BUT IF WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, TOURISM THINGS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO MAIL OUT THAT OPPORTUNITIES THERE.
TELEPHONE IS OUR PHONE BILL THAT WE HAVE IN OUR OFFICE.
UM, OFFICE SUPPLIES, OUR STANDARD OFFICE SUPPLIES THAT WE USE.
UH, CURRENTLY WE HAD FLASH DRIVES THAT WE HAD TO ORDER.
UM, LESLIE'S A GREAT PHOTOGRAPHER SO WE HAD TO GET A NEW MEMORY STICK SO WE CAN GET ALL THOSE IMAGES ON THERE.
SO THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, FOOD SUPPLIES.
SO WE DO, UM, WE PARTNER WITH THE EDA ON THEIR OPEN DOOR BUSINESS SESSIONS THAT ARE ABOUT THREE A MONTH, THREE A YEAR.
AND SO WE, WE'VE BEEN PROVIDING THE, THE REFRESHMENTS FOR THOSE, THE SNACKS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
AND, UM, THOSE PROGRAMS HAVE HIGHLIGHTED WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT, SMALL BUSINESSES AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES.
AND WE'RE LOOKING TO, THESE NEXT ONES WILL BE MORE LOCAL GOVERNMENT SERVICES.
WE WANNA HIGHLIGHT THE SMALL BUSINESS PROGRAM AGAIN AND, UM, TOURISM OPPORTUNITIES AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND THOSE BUSINESSES AND HOW WE CAN COLLABORATE.
SO THOSE WILL PROBABLY BE THE THREE FOCUS AREAS THIS YEAR.
I'VE GONE TO A COUPLE OF THEM AND, AND THEY'VE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL.
YEAH, I WAS AT THE WORKFORCE ONE AND IT WAS FANTASTIC.
AND WE HAD THE SMALL BUSINESS ONE.
UNFORTUNATELY WE HAD A FEW PEOPLE WHO WERE SICK AND UNABLE TO PARTICIPATE THAT DAY, BUT WE GOT GREAT FEEDBACK FROM THAT AND UM, WE DEFINITELY WANT TO FOCUS ON THAT AGAIN BECAUSE WE, IT WAS KIND OF THIS RAPID FIRE SESSION OF ALL THE DIFFERENT RESOURCES FROM YOUR LOCAL MAIN STREET TO USDA OPPORTUNITIES THAT SMALL BUSINESSES HAVE THROUGH FUNDING AND OTHER MECHANISMS. SO, UM, COMPUTER SUPPLIES, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WAS TOUCHED ON WHEN THE TREASURER WAS HERE.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE DEFINITELY WANT TO BUDGET FOR, UM, ANY SUPPLIES WE MAY NEED FROM THE COMPUTER, BUT WE OBVIOUSLY WORK WITH IT ON THAT BUDGET AND, AND OBVIOUSLY WHAT WE SELECT.
SO THIS NEXT ONE IS A BIG ONE, UM, WAY FINDING, AND YOU'LL SEE THE NUMBER 75,000.
SO YOU MAY DRIVE AROUND NOW AND YOU'LL SEE THE, WHAT'S CALLED THE TRAILBLAZER SIGNS.
THAT WAS A JOINT EFFORT BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE TOWN THAT HIGHLIGHTS OUR REAL TOURISM DESTINATIONS AS PART OF THAT PROGRAM.
THERE WERE ALSO GONNA BE GATEWAY SIGNS.
SO ANYTIME YOU WOULD ENTER THE COUNTY OR THE TOWN, THERE WOULD'VE BEEN A SIGN THAT WAS THERE AND THERE WAS A DESIGN CREATED, UM, FOR THAT.
AND THEY WERE VERY NICE AND IT WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS AND UM, BUT THEY WERE NEVER INSTALLED.
SO, UM, OBVIOUSLY I CAN PASS THIS AROUND.
AND SO WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT INITIATIVE, UM, AND SEE ABOUT IMPLEMENTING IT.
THE SUGGESTION MIGHT BE THOUGH THAT WE LOOK, IF WE'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE OLD DESIGN OR REVISIT IT, WE MIGHT GO WITH THE NEW LOGO THAT WE HAVE.
UM, ONE OF THE RENDERINGS IN THERE AS WELL IS THAT AN EXISTING SIGN YOU SEE AT COUNTRY CLUB ROAD, WINCHESTER ROAD, THERE'S A GOLF CART THERE.
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TELL IT'S BEEN THERE QUITE A WHILE.IF WE RE-ENVISION THAT CORNER AND PUT UP A NEW SIGN THAT WOULD ALSO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO INSTALL A TEMPORARY SMALL BANNERS THAT MIGHT HIGHLIGHT EVENTS THAT WE HAVE COMING UP.
OR WELCOMING LARGE EVENTS LIKE WHEN THE HOMESTEADERS ARE HERE, YOU KNOW, WELCOMING THEM TO THE COMMUNITY, UM, FOR THAT SMALL PERIOD.
SO THAT'S THE INITIATIVE WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.
UM, I THINK WE HAD FIVE ENTRYWAY SIGNS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.
IF YOU INCLUDED THE, UM, GOLF CART SPACE, THAT WOULD BE SIX.
SO THE, SO THE, WITH THE, WITH THE SIGNS, WOULD WE STILL BE HANDLING FRONT ROYAL OR DO THEY, DO THEY HANDLE THAT ON THEIR OWN? WE WOULD, UH, ENCOURAGE THEM TO DO THAT ON THEIR OWN.
UM, WE WOULD TALK TO THEM, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD, WE WANTED A COHESIVE LOOK.
WE, WE COULD DO THAT WITH THE NEW LOGO AND THE RENDERING YOU HAVE THERE, IT'S STILL SOMEWHAT CONSISTENT WITH THE TRAILBLAZER SIGNS WITH THE, WE WOULD PROPORTIONALLY CREATE THEM WHERE THEY MATCH SOME OF THE COLORS, THE BLACK PILLARS.
AND THEN CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY IS THE STONE WORK.
UM, THAT'S KIND OF OUR HISTORIC THING.
SO WE BOTH IN THE OLD DESIGN AND POSSIBLY THE NEW DESIGN, WE WOULD CONTINUE WITH THAT AESTHETIC.
UM, BUT AS ALYSSA WOULD PROBABLY KNOW, 'CAUSE I THINK SHE WORKED ON THAT PROJECT TOO, IS IS THE ENTRYWAY SIGNS WERE, WERE COSTLY.
UM, THEY REQUIRE FOUNDATION WORK AND, AND MUCH MORE EXTENSIVE THAN THE TRAILBLAZER SIGNS.
AND IF WE GO THOSE ARE VERY CUSTOM.
UM, SO IT, IT, YOU HAD A LARGE EXPENSE THERE AND JUST EVEN THE SHIPPING OF THE MATERIALS WAS EXPENSIVE.
SO, UM, VEHICLE FUEL, UM, WE ARE FORTUNATE WE GET TO USE THE PLANNING AND ZONING EXPLORER.
SOMETIMES WE CAN'T ALWAYS USE IT 'CAUSE IT'S OBVIOUSLY THEIR CAR.
WHEN WE DO, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE USING, YOU KNOW, OUR BUDGET TO FUEL THE VEHICLE UP AND NOT THEM.
SO WE'VE ADDED THAT LINE ITEM IN, UM, MILEAGE.
SO I BELIEVE IT MIGHT HAVE ALL USED TO KIND OF BE LUMPED TOGETHER, BUT YOU HAVE MILEAGE, MEAL REIMBURSEMENTS, LODGING, CONVENTION, EDUCATION.
UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF GREAT OPPORTUNITIES TO COLLABORATE WITH THE STATE THROUGH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND TOURISM.
UH, WE WANT TO PROVIDE LESLIE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO BE ENGAGED WITH THESE INITIATIVES.
UM, LIKE AT THE GOVERNOR SUMMIT EVERY YEAR, UM, I MYSELF, UH, WAS JUST SELECTED TO BE PART OF THE MENTOR EXCHANGE THROUGH VIDA AND YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THEIR SPRING CONFERENCE COMING UP.
SO, YOU KNOW, THIS ALLOWS US THOSE OPPORTUNITIES TO ATTEND THOSE PROGRAMS. AND UM, YOU KNOW, FOR A WHILE WARREN COUNTY WAS REALLY NOT ENGAGED IN A LOT OF THAT.
VITA IS THE VIRGINIA ECONOMIC DEVELOPERS ASSOCIATION.
SO IT'S AN ASSOCIATION FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPERS THROUGH THE STATE.
SO I'M GONNA BE MENTORED BY DAVID MANLEY OUTTA W COUNTY, UM, FOR THE NEXT YEAR.
WE HAVEN'T HAD OUR FIRST CALL YET, BUT UH, I WAS, THERE WERE 15 DIFFERENT MENTOR MENTEE PARTNERSHIPS, SO I'M EXCITED FOR THAT.
UM, BUT THIS JUST ALLOWS US TO BE OUT THERE IN THE COMMUNITY.
I THINK FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS WARREN COUNTY HASN'T BEEN PRESENT AT A LOT OF THESE PROGRAMS AND SO IT JUST GETS US BACK OUT THERE AND ENGAGED IN REBUILDING A LOT OF THESE RELATIONSHIPS IS, IS GONNA BE KEY TO OUR SUCCESS.
UM, FROM A REGIONAL AND ESTATE PERSPECTIVE, DUES AND SHIPS, SHENDO VALLEY TOURISM PARTNERSHIP, UM, WHICH WE BELONG TO FOR A WHILE.
UM, WHEN WE WERE JOINTLY, WE PAID FIVE TOWN, PAID FIVE.
SO NOW THAT WE'RE SPLIT, WE JUST INDIVIDUALLY PAY OUR FIVE FOR THAT.
AND THAT IS ALL THE WAY DOWN TO LEXINGTON TO WINCHESTER.
IT'S, IT'S A, A VAST REGION, UM, THAT EACH GROUP PAYS THEIR SHARE AND, AND THEY, THEY PROMOTE THE WHOLE VALLEY AS A WHOLE, UM, SVTA WE DON'T CURRENTLY BELONG TO.
BUT, UM, THEY, THEY ALSO HELP PROMOTE THE SHENANDOAH NATIONAL PARK.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'D LIKE TO BE ENGAGED WITH THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE AND THEY'RE MORE LOCALLY FOCUSED.
UH, CIVIL WAR TRAILS, YOU'LL SEE THE SIGNS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.
EACH ONE OF THOSE SIGNS HAS AN ANNUAL FEE TO THEM AND A DUE, AND A MEMBERSHIP THAT, UM, WE HAVE HISTORICALLY PAID WHEAT, BUT NOW THAT WE ARE AS THE COUNTY, UM, THE TOWN TALKING WITH THEM, THEY WOULD PAY FOR THE ONES IN TOWN.
WE WOULD PAY FOR THE ONES IN THE COUNTY,
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WHICH I JUST TALKED ABOUT.I DO HAVE AN ANNUAL MEMBERSHIP, UM, VIRGINIA MARITIME ASSOCIATION, WHICH WE DON'T BELONG TO NOW BELIEVE THE EDA USED TO, BUT WE ARE A PORT COMMUNITY.
UM, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE 200 PLUS MILES FROM THE PORT, WE HAVE AN INLAND PORT.
AND THIS WOULD BE A GREAT ASSOCIATION TO BE PART OF AND WORKING WITH, WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE INLAND PORT AS WE CONTINUE TO BUILD THAT RELATIONSHIP.
'CAUSE AS SAID, WE ARE KIND OF THIS NEW DEPARTMENT, WE FIND THINGS THAT, AND SO THE WELCOME CENTERS, UH, IT'S $150 A YEAR TO HAVE YOUR RACK CARD THERE.
SO, UM, WE JUST FOUND THAT OUT AS LESLIE'S TOURING.
SO, UM, THAT WOULD KIND OF FALL UNDER THAT IS, IS, YOU KNOW, WE ARE, AS WE ARE LEARNING AND WE ARE OUTREACHING, WE'RE FINDING OUT THAT THERE ARE THESE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE WANT TO PARTAKE IN.
AND IT'S $150 TO PER WELCOME CENTER.
I THINK IT'S 150, IT'S AROUND THERE.
BUT, SO IF WE WANT IT TO BE IN MULTIPLES, YOU KNOW, YOU TIMES THAT BY MANY, UH, TRAINING SUPPLIES.
YOU KNOW, LESLIE'S NOW TAKING SOME SOCIAL MEDIA COURSES THROUGH LAUREL RIDGE.
UM, ANY TYPE OF SUPPLIES THAT MAY COME WITH THAT, BOOKS, THINGS.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S THE TOURISM LINE ITEM AND THERE ARE SOME SUBLINES IN THERE AND THAT MAKE UP KIND OF TOURISM SPECIFIC.
SO THERE'S DIFFERENT MARKETING STRATEGIES.
AND SO THIS YEAR, AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA BE WORKING AT THIS, AND I WOULD IMAGINE NEXT YEAR WILL BE DIFFERENT.
UM, WE WILL, WE WILL FIND OUT WHAT WORKS BEST FOR US, WHERE WE'RE GETTING THE BEST RETURN OF INVESTMENT, WHERE WE'RE SEEING THE BEST DEMOGRAPHIC CHANGE.
UM, SO THERE'S PRINT ADVERTISING, WHICH IS, IS COSTLY IF YOU WANT PUT AN AD LIKE BLUE RIDGE OUTDOORS MAGAZINE.
AND SO WE CAN BE SPECIFIC THOUGH, WHICH MAGAZINES WE PUT IN.
MAYBE IT'S THEIR PADDLING ISSUE OR THEIR HIKING ISSUE.
UM, AND BE SPECIFIC, THE CHALLENGE WITH PRINT IS WE DON'T, WE KNOW WHAT THEIR SUBSCRIPTION BASE IS AND WE KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE GET THIS IN THE MAIL, BUT WE DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GETTING THOSE PEOPLE BACK OR IF THEY'RE ACTUALLY READING IT.
BUT IT IS A VALUABLE RESOURCE THAT WE CAN USE.
UM, DIGITAL ADVERTISING, I BELIEVE IS OUR BIGGEST KEY.
UM, WE WORKED PREVIOUSLY WITH THE FESTIVAL OF LEAVES AND PROMOTING TO, YOU KNOW, NORTHERN VIRGINIA AS THAT DAY EVENT HAPPENED, YOU KNOW, THESE PEOPLE ARE AN HOUR AWAY.
CAN THEY TRAVEL HERE FOR THE DAY? SO THERE ARE DIFFERENT STRATEGIES IN, IN THE DIGITAL MARKETING, UM, THROUGH DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA THAT WE COULD UTILIZE AND GO THROUGH, UM, WHETHER THEY'RE TAKEOVERS AND, AND BANNER ADS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE FORTUNATE THAT MYSELF, I CAN CREATE A LOT OF THOSE AD AND THAT COLLATERAL IN-HOUSE, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE GRAPHICS ARE CREATED IN-HOUSE.
UM, SO WE'RE SAVING ON THAT END.
UM, BUT WE WOULD JUST HAVE TO PAY FOR THOSE PLATFORMS TO BE ONLINE.
AND THEN, BUT THE NICE THING ABOUT DIGITAL IS THEY CAN TELL YOU HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE CLICKING IT.
AND AS WE HAVE OUR WEBSITE, WE'LL BE ABLE TO TELL HOW THEY GOT TO THE WEBSITE IF THEY WERE CLICKING THOSE ADS AND HOW THEY GOT THERE.
HEY JOE, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, UM, SOCIAL MEDIA AND DIGITAL ADVERTISING? SO SOCIAL MEDIA WOULD BE, I WOULD, I WOULD CATEGORIZE THAT AS LIKE, FACEBOOK BUYING ADS ON BUYING ADS ON FACEBOOK, BUYING ADS ON A FACEBOOK OR, OKAY, SO WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE OTHER TYPE OF DIGITAL? DIGITAL WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT IS A DIGITAL AD THROUGH BLUE RIDGE OUTDOORS OR, UM, ON THEIR WEBSITE.
LIKE THIS IS A GROUP CALLED FAIRFAX NOW, OR, OR NOW.
SO THESE ARE SPECIFIC TO NORTHERN VIRGINIA AND THEY HAVE DIFFERENT PLANTS.
SO YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST FOR ONE LITTLE AD IS IT'S $450 A MONTH, BUT YOU'RE REACHING POTENTIALLY 200.
THAT'S LIKE AN ONLINE NEWSLETTER OR SOMETHING FOR TOURISM OR, YEAH.
AND SO WE CAN ALSO ADD ADVERTISE THROUGH VIRGINIA TOURISM'S WEBSITE.
UM, THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT ADS IN ONLINE PUBLICATIONS.
SO BLUE RIDGE OUTDOORS FOR INSTANCE, THEY HAVE PRINT AND THEN THEY ALSO HAVE DIGITAL.
YOU GET, UH, METRICS BACK ON THOSE TYPES.
AND I THINK FOR ME, I WANTED TO SEPARATE THOSE TWO SO WE CAN KNOW WHAT WE'RE SPENDING ON PRINT AND WHAT WE'RE SPENDING ON DIGITAL.
WHEN WE GET THOSE METRICS BACK, WE CAN COMPARE THAT TO WHAT WE ACTUALLY SPENT.
YOU DON'T GET ANY, YOU DON'T GET ANY METRICS BACK ON PRINT.
AND THAT'S WHY I'M NOT THE BIGGEST FAN OF IT.
BUT IT IS STILL A VALUABLE TOOL.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S UNMEASURABLE
IN A, AS A SMALL BUSINESS PERSON AGONIZE OVER PRINT ADVERTISING AND UM, AND I LOOK AT THE PRICE OF LIKE A ONE INCH BY ONE INCH THINKING LIKE WHY WOULD I EVEN DO THAT? AND THEN, THEN YOU GET CO YOU KNOW, COAXED INTO
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BIGGER AND BIGGER AND BIGGER SELLING, YOU'RE OUT A PAGE AND YEAH, THERE'S A WHOLE PAGE.I CAN GET THE WHOLE BACK COVER FOR 10,000.
BUT, UM, HALF THIRD OF YOUR BUDGET IN ONE GO.
MY QUESTION IS REALLY IS THE, WHAT'S THE, UM, I'M SORRY BUT I FORGOT THE TOURISM, UH, OUR TOURISM DIRECTOR'S NAME LESLIE.
LESLIE, UM, IS SHE, DOES SHE DIRECTLY DO AND KNOW HOW TO DO THE SOCIAL MEDIA ADVERTISE, AD PURCHASING, TARGETING AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF? WE HAD A CONTRACTOR WHO WAS HELPING US THROUGH OUR IT DEPARTMENT.
LESLIE'S NOW TAKING THAT TRANSITION ON.
AND AGAIN, WE'RE ALSO, SHE'S ALSO GOING TO LIKE LAUREL RIDGE TO UNDERSTAND ALL THE NEW, I MEAN WITH SOCIAL, IT'S CONSTANTLY EVOLVING.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE THAT TRAINING COMES IN AS WELL TO KEEP UP WITH THE NEW STANDARDS AND WHAT'S HAPPENING.
EVEN, I MEAN, JUST LOOKING AT, UH, WHAT IS IT, 30,000 VERSUS 5,000, YOU KNOW, IT COULD END UP BEING 5,000 AND 30,000.
AND THAT'S, I THINK YOU'RE COMPLETELY CORRECT.
AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK NEXT YEAR WE'LL BE, BE REVISITING THAT AND UNDERSTANDING, YOU KNOW, WHAT WORKED AND WHAT DIDN'T.
UM, FACEBOOK, YOU KIND OF, YOU PAY WHATEVER YOU WANT REALLY ON THERE.
YOU CAN SAY IF, AND THAT'S UNLIKE OTHER DIGITAL, YOU BOOST IT IF YOU CAN CREATE YOUR OWN TARGETING.
IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE ALREADY ON THAT TRACK, BUT I, I WOULD REALLY WANT TO, UH, FOR US TO BE, YOU KNOW, GETTING, HEARING BACK FROM YOU, WHAT, HOW DID OUR SOCIAL MEDIA TARGETING GO? WHAT KIND OF PARAMETERS THAT WE WERE SUCCESSFUL AND SO ON AND, AND WITH, YOU KNOW, FACEBOOK AND STUFF, THEY CAN PULL THOSE METRICS PRETTY QUICK.
AND THE GREAT THING, YOU KNOW, WITH WHAT'S NICE ABOUT THE SHENDO VALLEY TOURISM PARTNERSHIP AS WELL IS, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A MARKETING COMMITTEE AND THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, THAT WHOLE GROUP AND IT'S GOOD TO COLLABORATE WITH THEM TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S WORKING FOR THEM TOO.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, GETTING THAT FEEDBACK FROM YOUR COUNTERPARTS 'CAUSE THEY'RE SEEING THE SAME THING.
SO WE'RE, WE HAVE THOSE OPEN DIALOGUE AS WELL, BUT I APPRECIATE THAT FEEDBACK.
UM, YOU KNOW, IN IN MARKETING PRODUCTS IT WOULD BE THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, OUR STICKER, UM, WE, WE HAVE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE, WE HAVE IN MIND, UM, ED DOESN'T HAVE THIS CUP, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, MOST WE WOULDN'T BE LOOKING TO SELL PRODUCT.
UM, IT WOULD BE PROBABLY INCENTIVES TO GIVE AWAY THROUGH PROGRAMS OR INCENTIVES OR SURVEYS OF THAT.
AND PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING HERE.
I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT THAT WE WANT TO STRATEGICALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT PRODUCT IS AND WHO WE ARE AS AN IDENTITY.
UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO JUST HAVE A CUP OUT THERE.
DOES THAT CUP HAVE A PURPOSE? UM, I DON'T HAVE MY BIG WATER CUP, BUT YOU KNOW, WE ARE A HIKING, CAMPING COMMUNITY, SO IT SHOULD BE REFLECTED IN OUR CUPS THAT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
SO, OR LIKE A PATCH BECAUSE IT'S A HIKING COMMUNITY THAT PEOPLE CAN PASS ON.
SO, UM, THINKING ABOUT HOW WHEN PEOPLE GET IT, IT'S JUST NOT THIS THING, IT'S ACTUALLY MEANINGFUL.
UM, AND THAT WE'LL KIND OF LEAD INTO SOMETHING I'LL TALK TO HERE IN A MINUTE, BUT EVENT SPONSORSHIP.
WE'VE ALSO HISTORICALLY SUPPORTED SOME OF OUR LARGER TOURISM EVENTS.
AND SO THERE ARE, THESE ARE WOULD BE MAYBE CASH CONTRIBUTIONS TO THOSE PROGRAMS OR TO THE POINT OF, UM, MAYBE IT'S MORE OF AN IN KIND WHERE WE KNOW WE CAN SPEND, WE PLAN, WE WILL DO A $500 AD FOR YOU ON THIS SPECIFIC WEBSITE.
SO IT'S DIRECTED THROUGH US THAT WE WILL BE DOING FOR THEM RATHER THAN JUST GIVING THEM CASH.
UM, AND THEN THAT WAY WE KNOW, AGAIN, THAT RETURN.
UM, AND THOSE ARE, YOU KNOW, APPALOOZA, WHICH IS A MULTIPLE DAY MUSIC FESTIVAL AT SKYLINE RANCH RESORT, THE FESTIVAL OF LEAVES, WHICH IS IN TOWN.
I THINK THEY'RE DOING THEIR 54TH YEAR, I THINK THIS YEAR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, WHICH HAS TURNED INTO A MULTI-DAY EVENT.
THEY DO A FRIDAY PROGRAM, HOMESTEADERS CONFERENCE, WHICH IS A MULTI-DAY EVENT AT THE WARREN COUNTY FAIR IN SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER, UM, TIMEFRAME, WHICH IS ALWAYS SOLD OUT.
I THINK THEY MIGHT ALREADY HAVE SOLD OUT FOR THIS YEAR.
IT'S, IT'S A GREAT EVENT FOR THE WINE AND CRAFT FESTIVAL.
UM, ADVENTURE ENABLERS IS A, THEY WERE SPONSORED AT ONE TIME, BUT THEY HOST, UH, OUTDOOR RECREATION EVENTS, MULTI-DAY EVENTS AT THE STATE PARK.
THEY'RE ALSO LOCALLY OWNED THEIR OFFICE ON SIXTH STREET.
AND MOST OF THEIR PARTICIPANTS DO COME FROM OUT OF TOWN.
AND IT DOES FIT THAT OUTDOOR RECREATION COMPONENT IN WHICH WE WANT TO SUPPORT.
SO, UM, AND THEN I HAVE COMPETITIVE, UM, WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS TO HAVE AN
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OPPORTUNITY COME UP WITH A CRITERIA IN WHICH PEOPLE CAN COME TO US AND, YOU KNOW, IF THEY HAVE AN EVENT OR SOMETHING THAT THEY MAY WANT TO DO.AND, AND IF WE HAVE A RANKING OR CRITERIA OR A GROUP THAT COULD VET THAT, THAT WE COULD SUPPORT THEM.
AND AGAIN, THAT MIGHT BE HELPING THEM ADVERTISE OR SOMETHING THAT COULD PROMOTE THEIR EVENT TO MAKE IT A SUCCESS, UM, FOR TOWARDS SOME EVENT.
UM, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME OPPORTUNITY THERE TO WELCOME IN NEW PROGRAMMING, NEW IDEAS AND, AND ALLOW THEM TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
AND I THINK THAT THAT COULD HELP.
UM, AND THEN I WILL SKIP THAT LAST LINE THAT'S AFTER THAT.
I WAS GONNA ASK FEW QUESTIONS ON THE, ON THE WEBSITE THING.
UM, HAVE YOU, DO YOU ALREADY HAVE A WEBSITE? WE ALREADY, WE DO NOT.
UM, WE WERE, UH, RECEIVED AN ARPA GRANT AND AS PART OF THAT ARPA GRANT IT IS TO MARKETING THROUGH EXPERIENCE WARREN COUNTY.
UM, IT'S GONE THROUGH A FEW VERSIONS OF THAT ARPA GRANT OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS.
AND AS PART OF THAT, IT'S TO BUILD THE NEW WEBSITE.
SO YOU, SO THAT'S, YOU HAVE FUNDS YES.
AND THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN BEFORE JUNE 30TH.
IT HAS TO, TO, SO THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS 5K IS LIKE A MAINTENANCE NUMBER, MAINTENANCE FEE FOR THE OKAY.
IT'S NOT TO BUILD A WEBSITE, TRUST ME.
I'M SURE THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE WOULD, IT'D BE A FACEBOOK PAGE OR SOMETHING
SO IN, IN, IN REALITY, THE, INSTEAD OF ASKING FOR THE, THE 1,674,000, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ASKING FOR FOR 451,000.
IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO WE, UM, HISTORICALLY HAVE BUDGET 200,000 FOR TOURISM.
UM, WE'RE HOPING WE GET MORE THIS YEAR, OBVIOUSLY THROUGH THAT TAX GENERATION, THROUGH THE LODGING TAX.
THE FIRST TWO GOES GENERAL FUND, ANYTHING OVER TWO UP TO FIVE GOES HAS TO GO TO TOURISM.
SO THAT'S WHAT'S FUNDING THE TOURISM INITIATIVES AND OUR TOURISM MANAGER.
SO YEAH, YOU CAN SUBTRACT THE 1.2 FROM THAT BOTTOM NOTE, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL REVISIT THAT ON NEXT THURSDAY.
HOW, HOW MUCH ARE Y'ALL GETTING FOR THE LODGING TAX? LIKE LAST TIME I SAW A CHART ON IT, IT WAS DEFINITELY GOING UP.
AND, UH, SO I CAN SHARE THESE WITH YOU, UH, DR GET THESE TOGETHER.
THE HIGHLIGHTED NUMBER IS THANK YOU.
AND SO THE, THE BUDGET THAT YOU SEE KIND OF FROM A TOURISM SPECIFIC THAT WE PRESENTED TONIGHT IS APPROXIMATELY 200,000.
AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE WOULD, WHAT WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT, AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IN THIS, UM, VENUE IS, IS PERSONNEL.
SO ON TOP OF THE 200 WOULD ALSO BE THE TOURISM MANAGER INCLUDING, OR ON TOP OF THAT.
OH, UH, SO WHEN YOU SAID 200,000, SO IS THAT THE DIFFERENCE THAT GOES TO YOUR BUDGET OR IS IT THE ANNUAL? THE ANNUAL IS WHAT YOU COLLECT AS A WHOLE RIGHT.
AND THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT 3% THAT IS BEING TRANSFERRED TO WHAT THAT TOURISM IS THAT HOW IT, I, I JUST NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE NUMBERS, THAT'S ALL.
SO LOOKING DOWN BELOW WITH THE LOGIC, OKAY.
THE LODGING SECTION, WHICH IS THE LOWER PART OF THIS MM-HMM.
BUT DOWN BELOW HERE, THIS IS BASED ON 5 CENTS.
SO WHEN YOU 5% OF YOUR MOTEL BILL, YOUR LODGING COSTS, SO THAT'S 1.7 MILLION FOR THESE FIVE YEARS.
AND SO ONE PENNY OF THAT IS 340,000.
SO YOU HAVE THREE THINGS, 1,023,000 APPROXIMATELY THAT MUST BE USED FOR TOURISM.
SO YOU HAVE THAT IN YOUR GENERAL FUND AND SOME OF IT YOU USE SUCH AS THE WAY YOU FIND THESE SIGNS AND SO FORTH.
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BUT THAT'S THE AMOUNT YOU'VE COLLECTED.AND OF THIS SIX, UH, HERE, THAT'S 125 PER PENNY APPROXIMATELY.
AND SO THAT'S GONNA BE 400,000 THAT CAN BE USED FOR TOURISM.
SO IS IT SAFE TO SAY THAT THIS BUDGET IS A ZERO BASED BUDGET? YEAH.
AND, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE 75 WELL, THE TOURISM SIDE OF IT.
PART OF THIS IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
NO, I, I HA I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND.
I KNOW THE NUMBERS ARE KIND OF MIXED.
SOME MIXED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
RIGHT? OH, THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT.
YEAH, THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT.
RUNS A SURPLUS SUR TOURISM RUNS A SURPLUS.
WHERE DOES THE SURPLUS GO? IT'S IN YOUR GENERAL FUND.
WHICH MUST, WHICH WE CAN THEN USE FOR ECONOMIC CARRY FORWARD FOR TOURISTS.
OH, I ALWAYS HAVE TO CARRY FORWARD FOR TOURISM.
SO WE NEED TO GET OUR TOURISM, WE NEED TO SPEND, WE NEED TO GET THESE TOURISM WELCOME SIGNS BUILT.
START, START GETTING SOME REVENUE.
THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL INFORMATION THAT GIVES US MONEY YOU COULD USE, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A TOURISM SURPLUS HOUSE SPEND ON TOURISM.
SO WHY WOULD WE NOT BE SPENDING ON TOURISM FOR TOURISM INTO THAT HOUSE? MM-HMM.
SO, UM, WHAT, WHAT'S DRIVING THE, THE VERY LARGE INCREASE IN LODGING TAXES INTO FROM 2022 TO 2023 IS THAT THE RELATIVELY NEW HOTEL OVER BY THE LOWE'S.
REMEMBER ALL THOSE, UH, CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS YOU'VE BEEN DOING SHORT TERM RENTALS, HARD TRYING TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE ALL PAYING THEIR 5%.
EVERYBODY WHO COMES OUT HERE FOR A WEEK AND SPENDS A COUPLE THOUSAND DOLLARS ON THE, ON THE PLACE, THEN THAT MEANS YOU GET 5% OF THAT.
SO IT IS THE SHORT TERM RENTALS.
IT IS, YOU KNOW, IN 2019, I BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, THE NEW MARRIOTT OPENED AND THAT WAS A, A BOOST.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY YOU'LL SEE THE NUMBERS JUMPED QUITE A BIT AFTER 2020.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, IT OBVIOUSLY DIED DOWN.
OUR TOURISM NUMBERS THROUGHOUT THE STATE HAVE RECOVERED TO PRE PANDEMIC NUMBERS.
UM, THE ONLY NUMBER IN TOURISM THAT HASN'T ARE THE JOBS RELATED TO TOURISM HAVE NOT RECOVERED FROM COVID YET.
AND THERE'S A CAUTION THAT $600,000 NUMBER INCLUDES A LOT OF FEDERAL CONTRACTS TO BE TRAINED HERE.
YEAH, I WAS GOING TO ASK, LIKE THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY, THEY, THEY'RE NOT EXEMPT FROM ANY OF THOSE TAXES, RIGHT? HE STILL PAID THE ROOM TAX.
UM, AND THERE'S, UH, AN IN TOWN VENDOR WHO IS WORKING VERY HARD AT WORKING A NEW FACILITY THAT IS GOING TO TAKE THOSE EMPLOYEES IN THAT BUSINESS AWAY FROM THE COUNTY INTO THE TOWN.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS 600 MM-HMM.
LOOK MORE TOWARDS THAT 400 MM-HMM.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ON ROYAL, UH, DOWN NEAR SPLUNK'S, UH,
SO I, I THINK THE AMOUNT OF VEHICLES I SEE OUT AT THE, UM, THE MARRIOTT, UM, YEAH, THEY, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S GONNA ACCOMMODATE ALL OF THEM, BUT, UM, IT WILL PROBABLY AFFECT SOME, BUT THERE'S, IT'S A LOT OF VEHICLES OUT THERE.
NOW THERE'LL BE SOME SHIFT AGAIN.
MAYBE WE, UH, WE NEED TO BE TALKING TO THE STATE ABOUT WHO HAS TO PROVIDE SCHOOLS AND FIRE AND RESCUE, ET CETERA.
AND IF THESE MONEY SHOULD BE RESERVED FOR THOSE TYPES OF EVIDENCE, WORKS FOR ME.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. PATTY? I HAVE A COUPLE OF THEM.
SO I SEE THAT THE LINE ITEM HERE, UH, FOR LEGAL EXPENSES OF $500,000 THAT THIS YEAR WENT AWAY, IS THAT ROLLED INTO YOUR LINE ITEM FOR THE EDA AUTHORITY? SO HISTORICALLY, THE LINE ITEM FOR LEGAL SERVICES FOR SANS ANDERSON HAS BEEN IN OUR BUDGET, UM, AND THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BUDGET.
SO I BELIEVE THAT'S GONNA BE UP FOR DISCUSSION NEXT WEEK.
SO, SO THAT, DO THAT $500,000 IS PART OF THE 1.2 MILLION.
IT IS NOT EVEN IN THE ONE POINT 0.2.
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WHAT, UH, LET'S SEE.I DON'T THINK IT'S ON, I DON'T THINK IT'S ON THE PRINTOUT BECAUSE THERE'S NO DOLLAR AMOUNT IN PRINT RIGHT HERE.
WHERE IS IT? RIGHT HERE? THE ADOPTED FIVE.
AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN WHO WOULDN AM I? YES.
LOOK AT THIS IS THE ONE THAT, UH, ALYSSA AND MEGAN WERE WORKING WITH JOE ON THIS AFTERNOON.
TRYING TO PULL OUT WHAT IS EDA, 'CAUSE THEY WANT TO DO THEIR OWN PRESENTATION NEXT WEEK.
UM, AND THE LAST QUESTION I HAVE IS, HOW MUCH INVOLVEMENT HAVE WE BEEN WORKING WITH, UM, THE TOWN IN OUR TOURISM VISION AND PLANS? WE, LESLIE AND LIZZIE FROM THE TOWN WORK CLOSELY.
UM, WE, WE OBVIOUSLY DON'T WANT TO DUPLICATE EFFORTS.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE BIG POSITIVE THAT WE'VE RECEIVED SINCE LESLIE'S BEEN HERE IS FROM OUR TOURISM INDUSTRIES IN THE COUNTY, THAT SHE'S BEEN INTERACTING WITH THEM PERSONALLY.
AND THEY, THEY WERE JUST WELCOMING HER BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T SEEN ANYBODY COME IN THERE.
AND THAT'S NOT NEGATIVE TO THE TOWN OR ANYTHING, IT'S JUST WE BOTH WORKED WITH SOMEBODY ELSE AT A TIME.
AND SO LESLIE'S OUT THERE IN THE COMMUNITY MEETING WITH CAVERN OR SKYLINE, CAVERN, SHINDO NATIONAL PARK, THE STATE PARK I MENTIONED.
THEY'RE DOING THIS TAKEOVER AT THE VISITOR CENTER.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE ARE DOING THAT JOINTLY WITH THE TOWN TO GET THE BEST, BEST BANG FOR OUR BUCK.
SOMETIMES WE'RE GONNA GO DOWN, THE STATE PARK WILL BE GOING DOWN THERE WITH US.
SO WE DO WORK WITH THEM, COMMUNICATE WITH THEM TO UNDERSTAND.
BUT WE ARE, YOU KNOW, DOING OUR, WE'RE EACH DOING OUR OWN THING.
AND, AND WE'RE OUT THERE IN THE COMMUNITY TALKING TO OUR TOURISM FOLKS TO SEE WHAT THEY EXPECT AND WANT FROM US AS WELL.
WELL, I HOPE EVENTUALLY THAT WE WILL COMPLIMENT EACH OTHER.
WE, THEY, THEY'RE WORKING WELL TOGETHER AND WE'VE MEET, MET ON, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE WE'RE KEEPING UP WITH THE ARPA.
UM, OBVIOUSLY WE STILL HAVE THAT JOINTLY, BUT YEAH, WE, WE STILL COMMUNICATE AND THEY, THEY MEET REGULARLY.
DO I, I KNOW WE HAVE HAD A TOURISM COMMITTEE AND I KNOW I'M ON IT AND I CAN'T THINK OF WHO ELSE, BUT, UM, IT MIGHT BE ME,
AND SO WE HAVE THE JOINT TOURISM COMMITTEE THAT WAS JOINT, WE WOULD LIKE TO REENGAGE THE COMMITTEE AS WHETHER IT'S FORMAL OR INFORMAL.
WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE DOING, WHAT THEIR CHALLENGES ARE, WHAT THEIR SUCCESSES ARE, BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE TO HAVE SOMEONE FROM LODGING AND SOMEONE, UM, WHO WAS THE OTHER, I KNOW IT WAS HOSPITALITY AND, AND I THINK IT'S LIKE A MINUTE.
IT IS YOUR RECREATIONS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO, NO, I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT.
'CAUSE I LIKE SOME OF THE IDEAS THAT YOU HAVE ON HERE, BUT THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT I'VE KIND OF THOUGHT OF AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST AND ALL THAT INTERESTING AND NICE.
SHE'S BEEN COMMUNICATING WITH THE DOUBLE TREE AND, AND THOSE FOLKS AS WELL AND OUR LODGING PARTNERS TO UNDERSTAND THAT TOO.
AND, AND A BIG FOCUS OF THAT IS, IS AS I'VE MENTIONED, THE SHORT TERM RENTALS.
UM, WE WANT TO BE AS THE WEBSITE UNVEILS AND, AND THEY'RE PART OF IT, YOU KNOW, PART OF THAT PROCESS WHEN THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THE APPLICATION, YOU KNOW, IF, IF IT'S GRANTED, YOU KNOW, THEY KNOW THAT WE'RE ALSO A RESOURCE FOR THEM TO BE SUCCESSFUL IN THAT.
SO WE'LL BE GETTING WITH, SHE WORKS WORKING A LOT RIGHT NOW WITH MATT ON THE VIRGINIA TWO 50 INITIATIVE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL BE WORK, SHE'LL BE WORKING WITH PLANNING AS THOSE APPLICATIONS COME IN TO GET ENGAGED WITH THOSE SHORT TERM RENTALS AHEAD OF IT.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY GET, IF THEY'RE APPROVED AND THEY GET ALL THEIR PAPERWORK DONE, WE CAN GET THAT OUT THERE.
'CAUSE AS WE TALKED ABOUT, THAT'S WHERE THE FUNDING COMES FROM.
WELL, APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION AND ALL YOU'RE DOING.
THE TOURISM IS AN INVESTMENT, MA'AM.
SO IF ANYBODY FROM THE BOARD CAN LOOK AT THESE EVENTS THAT WE HAVE AND KNOW OF EVENTS OUT IN THE COUNTY THAT WE CAN HELP PROMOTE MM-HMM.
MAKE SURE YOU TIE YOURSELF WITH THE AIRPORT AND YEAH.
THE, THE AIRPORT, THERE'S THE AIRPORT AND SOME OTHER THINGS
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HAPPENING CLOSE TO THE AIRPORT ARE GONNA BE COMING ONLINE.AND, AND THOSE WILL HAVE A GREAT SYNERGY TOGETHER.
UM, AND I THINK THAT WE CAN DO A LOT, A LOT WITH THAT.
AND IT'S DEFINITELY ON OUR RADAR AND GOOD, UM, VISITOR EXPERIENCE WHEN THEY'RE HERE AND THEY GO TO THE AIRPORT OR, YOU KNOW, THE MCKAY HOUSE AND HOW THOSE VISITORS INTERACT IS, IS ANOTHER COMPONENT THAT WE'RE EXPLORING.
IT'S NOT JUST THE PRINT, BUT LIKE A MORE DIGITAL INTERACTION WHEN THEY'RE THERE.
CHERYL, COULD YOU TAKE A QUICK BREAK BEFORE WE MOVE ON
LET'S, UH, TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK SO I COULD USE SOME OF THAT.
[D. Sheriff's Office & E-911 - Budget Request]
ON OUR AGENDA IS THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND THE E 9 1 1 SHERIFF KLEIN, GLAD TO HAVE YOU THIS EVENING.DALEY WANTED ME TO EXPLAIN WHAT WAS GONNA BE ON THE, UM, AGENDA NEXT WEEK ON JUST A SLIGHT MATTER BEFORE THE BUDGET.
AND IT IS JUST A, UM, A TRANSFER FROM THE COURT SECURITY FUND, WHICH THERE IS 175,000 IN THAT FUND.
THERE IS A, A GAP IN THE SERVICES FOR VIDEO RECORDING IN THE COURTHOUSE, WHICH IS IN THE LAND RECORDS AREA.
SO THEY'RE GONNA INSTALL ONE CAMERA AND THEN THEY HAVE TO, UM, THEY'RE GONNA ADD A CAMERA AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA REPLACE TWO OF THE OTHERS AND THEN WIPE THE LENS OFF OF ANOTHER ONE.
BUT TOTAL THAT, UM, UM, PURCHASE AMOUNT IS $19,133 AND THE MONEY IS IN THAT FUND.
SO IT'S GONNA BE A RECOMMENDATION TO JUST TRANSFER THE FUNDS OVER SO THAT WE CAN PAY THAT INVOICE ON THAT.
SO ANY QUESTIONS FOR SHERIFF KLEIN ON THAT? SO IS THE, IS THAT CAMERA IN THERE? IS THAT BECAUSE THE, THEY JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN SEE WHAT'S GOING ON IN THERE OR, RIGHT.
IT, IT, I THINK THROUGHOUT THE YEARS THEY'VE INCREASED THE, THE CAMERAS AROUND THE BUILDING FOR SECURITY PURPOSES AND STUFF.
AND THAT AREA, THAT ROOM DOES NOT HAVE ANY CAMERAS IN IT WHATSOEVER.
SO, AND SO THIS IS FOR FISCAL YEAR 24 OR 25 BUDGET? THIS IS FOR THIS BUDGET TO TRANSFER.
WE'RE ASKING FOR, UM, APPROVAL NEXT WEEK AT YOUR, FOR, FOR THE 25 BUDGET.
IT'S AN AMENDMENT TO THIS BUDGET.
SO IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WHAT WE ARE GONNA BE LOOKING AT NOW.
NO, HE JUST WANTED ME TO BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION SO THAT IF YOU HAD ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE.
'CAUSE IT WOULD BE A TRANSFER THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE.
YOU SAID IT'S A $20,000 CAMERA.
WHAT WAS, WELL, THERE'S SEVERAL THINGS THAT ARE GONNA, UM, OH, SEVERAL OF THEM.
IT'S GONNA END UP BEING 175 TOTAL 19,133 TOTAL.
SO IT'S GONNA BE ONE ADDITIONAL CAMERA.
AND THEN THEY'RE WIPING A LENS OFF OF, UM, ANOTHER CAMERA.
SO OUT OF YOUR 165 YOU'RE ASKING FOR 19? 19.
THERE'S A HUNDRED SEVENTY FIVE FIVE ALREADY.
THAT'S THE NUMBER I LOGGED IN ON.
BUT THAT'S, YOU'RE ONLY USING 19.
DO PEOPLE HAVE TO PAY PENALTY APPLYING IN THE COURTHOUSE? SOME OF THE, OKAY.
JUST COPY, YOU'RE JUST TAPPING THAT FUND? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO WE CAN GET DOWN TO BUSINESS THEN, WHICH I ACTUALLY ENJOY THIS PROCESS.
IT'S BEEN AN INTERESTING, UM, LAST MONTH DELVING INTO THE DIFFERENT PROCESSES, BUT, UM, YOU REALLY FIND OUT A LOT DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS EXACTLY HOW EVERYTHING WORKS AND, AND WHAT'S IN PLACE AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE IN PLACE.
SO THIS HAS REALLY BEEN A, A, A GOOD ACTIVITY TO DO FOR THAT.
SO, UM, I GUESS I'LL GET STARTED ON THAT.
AND YOU HAVE THIS FORM, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, WE HAVE THAT, THAT IS THE PRINTOUT AND THE DIGITAL, THERE'S JUST A COUPLE THINGS.
I I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF, UM, SAY IN THE SALARIES AND STUFF LIKE THAT, BUT I DO, THERE'S A COUPLE CHANGES THAT, UM, WHEN I CAME IN, UH, I DID WITH YOUR APPROVAL, MAKE THE ACCREDITATION GRANTS TRAINER COORDINATOR POSITION A SWORN POSITION.
SO THAT POSITION IS NO LONGER IN THE FULL-TIME, NON-EXEMPT 35 HOURS.
SO THAT POSITION IS NOW MOVED INTO, UM, AS A SWORN POSITION.
SO THAT WILL BE MOVED DOWN TO THE FULL-TIME, NON-EXEMPT 40 CATEGORY.
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DECREASE IN THAT, THE FULL-TIME.UM, I LOOK BACK IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS ON THAT LAST YEAR THERE WERE 68 FULL-TIME DEPUTIES THAT WERE, UM, BUDGETED FOR.
I HAVE ASKED THAT WE BUDGET FOR ALL VACANCIES AND WHAT POSITIONS THAT WE HAVE AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, WHICH IT WAS PRIOR TO THIS BUDGET PERIOD.
AND SO THERE IS GONNA BE AN INCREASE ON THAT PLUS THE POSITION FOR THE ACCREDITATION MANAGER NOW BEING, UM, A SWORN POSITION.
SO I LISTED IN THERE THE VACANCIES AS WELL, SO THAT IF WE EVER GET FULLY STAFFED, I DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK AND ASK FOR MORE MONEY.
DID YOU BUDGET THEM FOR A PRORATED PORTION OF THE YEAR BASED ON HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE TO FILL? IT'S NOT FOR THIS YEAR.
UM, AND I ALSO ASK THAT THEY NOT BE BROUGHT IN AT GROUND ZERO SO THAT WE CAN HIRE CERTIFIED OFFICERS.
I MEAN, THAT'S THE GOAL OF ANY AGENCY, SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO TO THE ACADEMY AND THEN GO THROUGH THE FULL FTO AND WE CAN GET 'EM OUT ON THE STREETS A LOT QUICKER.
SO YOU SAID THAT THERE WERE 68 FULL-TIME AND WE HAVE 72 FULL-TIME POSITIONS, BUT THIS BUDGET PERIOD, THERE WERE ONLY 68 THAT WERE BUDGETED FOR.
AND THEN ON THE PART-TIME, I DID DECREASE THAT BY OVER 50%.
UM, THERE WERE A LOT OF PART-TIME ADMIN STAFF THAT WERE FLOATING AROUND THE BUILDING AND I CONSOLIDATE THOSE AND, AND CUT HALF OF THAT STAFF.
PLUS THERE WERE SOME VACANCIES ALREADY BY THE TIME I CAME IN.
SO, SO WHAT IS, UM, SO WHAT WOULD BE A FULL STAFF, HOW MANY STAFF PEOPLE? I MEAN THAT'S, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, SWORN IN AN ADMIN, BECAUSE WHEN YOU SAY 68, I, I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT IT WAS 72 BECAUSE YOU KNOW OF UM RIGHT.
THOSE POSITIONS WERE NOT FILLED.
SO WHAT WOULD BE A FULL COMPLIMENT, I GUESS IS WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS? SO FOR THE TOTAL WARREN COUNTY TOTAL STAFFING LEVEL, UH, IT HAS 72 SWORN FULL-TIME.
WE HAVE EIGHT SWORN PART-TIME.
WE HAVE FIVE FULL-TIME CIVILIAN POSITIONS, AND THREE PART-TIME CIVILIAN POSITIONS.
AND THAT'S A TOTAL OF 88 EMPLOYEES.
THEN YOU HAVE THE E 9 1 1 CENTER, WHICH IS SEPARATE.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT LATER, MAKE SURE.
SO IN YOUR BUDGET, YOU'RE NOT ASKING FOR NEW POSITIONS? NO.
I JUST FEEL THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH VACANCIES.
WE HAVE 14 VACANCIES RIGHT NOW THAT WILL CONCENTRATE ON FILLING THOSE.
AND THEN IN THE FUTURE WHEN WE GET THOSE FILLED AND, AND WORK ON THAT, THEN WE'LL SEE HOW THAT LOOKS.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN HOW THAT, SO I, I PROBABLY ADDED IT WRONG 'CAUSE I HAD 16, BUT SO IF YOU FILL ALL YOUR VACANCIES, THEN THAT SHOULD FILL THE FULL COMPLIMENT OF THE 88 THAT'S IN THIS BUDGET.
SO, SO WHEN, WHEN, WHEN YOU SAY PART-TIME, IS THAT LIKE 20 HOURS A WEEK OR, IT DEPENDS.
UM, SO LIKE YOUR COURT SECURITY, THEY'RE PART-TIME AND THEY'LL WORK LIKE ONE OR TWO DAYS A WEEK.
SO SOMETIMES IT'S A 12 HOUR DAY, 10 HOUR DAY.
WE HAVE A PART-TIME, SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER, UH, DEPUTY KELLER.
SO IT DEPENDS ON, UM, HOW MANY HOURS HE DOES.
UH, IT HAS TO BE UNDER I THINK A CERTAIN AMOUNT FOR THE YEAR.
IT KIND OF EQUALS OUT TO LIKE UNDER 30 HOURS.
'CAUSE THE, I KNOW THAT, UH, A LOT OF PLACES, A LOT OF FOLKS WHO ARE, WHO ARE RETIRED BUT WANNA WORK PART-TIME, THEY'RE SAYING, AH, I DON'T WANT TO WORK ANY MORE THAN 20 HOURS A WEEK.
AND, AND THERE ARE SOME, SO I, IT DEPENDS ON WHICH PART-TIME YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT AND HOW MANY HOURS AND HOW MANY DAYS THAT THEY WORK.
SO I JUST FOUND IT WITH A LOT OF THE PART-TIME ADMIN, ALL THOSE PART-TIME.
IT'S, IT'S A HIT OR MISS WHETHER YOU'RE GONNA SEE 'EM ON A MONDAY OR A TUESDAY OR A THURSDAY.
IT'S JUST, IT'S EASIER JUST TO CONSOLIDATE THOSE TASKS AND HAVE A SMALLER AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THEN YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT IS GOING ON.
IN YOUR BUSINESS, SO ARE THE, ARE THE 14 MOSTLY IN YOUR, IS THAT WHOLE MOSTLY IN YOUR LIKE OFFICERS? SO I HAVE, UM, KIND ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT I DID WAS DO AN ORGANIZATIONAL CHART SO THAT I CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT THE STAFFING NEEDS WERE, WHERE THE GAPS WERE, UM, WHAT THE SERVICES WERE BEING PROVIDED.
PLUS I HAVE A, PROBABLY A DIFFERENT FOCUS THAN WHAT PREVIOUS SHERIFFS HAVE HAD.
UM, SO I DID A ORGANIZATIONAL CHART AND I DID, I DO HAVE COPIES IF YOU WOULD LIKE THEM.
YOU CAN SEE, SO I PUT ON HERE AND
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I DO COLOR CODE AND DO THESE THINGS, BUT IN RED IS THE VACANCY.SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE VACANT POSITIONS ARE AND WHERE THEY ARE THROUGHOUT THE ORGANIZATION.
MM-HMM,
THE YELLOW IS YOUR CIVILIAN STAFF.
AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THE VACANCIES THAT WE HAVE THERE AS WELL.
SO YOU START FROM THE TOP WHERE YOU HAVE YOUR EXECUTIVE COMMAND IN THE PINKISH RED, AND THEN YOU HAVE YOUR LIEUTENANTS IN THE BLUE AND THE ORANGE IS YOUR SERGEANT'S.
SO, UM, I CAN HAND HAND THIS OUT AND YOU CAN, I'D LOVE TO HAVE THAT.
AND YOU CAN YEAH, LOOK AT THIS AND THEN DISPATCH.
I DIDN'T PUT THAT AS PART OF THERE, BUT YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE WHO THEY'RE, BUT, UM, THANK YOU BECAUSE IT'S A LOT, THERE'S A LOT OF EMPLOYEES, IT JUST KIND OF, IT HELPS.
JUST TO UNDERSTAND THE OVERALL GOAL OF WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
I LOVE HAVING AN ORGANIZATIONAL CHART AND I THINK IN THE PAST WE'VE GOTTEN THOSE FROM EACH DEPARTMENT.
CAN WE GET THEM TO DO THAT? AND WE ARE VERIFYING THE CHARTS AND WE'LL HAVE THEM FOR YOU NEXT WEEK.
WE WANTED, UH, WE PULLED THEM ALL UP AND WE JUST WANNA VERIFY TO MAKE SURE THAT OKAY, WE'VE GOT EVERYBODY IN THE RIGHT PLACE.
SO, SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF BUDGETING IS AS THOUGH THEY WERE, THEY WERE ALL FILLED.
SO THIS FIRST HALF OF THE BUDGET IS EVERYTHING BUT THIS SQUARE ON THIS SIDE.
AND THAT'LL BE IN THE COMMUNICATIONS BUDGET.
AND THEN, AND AS FAR AS THESE VACANCIES GOES, YOU'RE, YOU'RE LIKE ACTIVELY RECRUITING? YES.
WE HAVE BEEN DOING A LOT OF INTERVIEWING.
WE HAVE BEEN, UM, DOING A LOT OF BACKGROUNDS.
UM, WE'RE BOGGED DOWN A LITTLE BIT IN INVESTIGATIONS BECAUSE WE'RE DOWN TO POSITIONS IN INVESTIGATIONS.
UM, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE WEEDING THROUGH THOSE.
WE'RE ACTIVELY LOOKING FOR THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNICATIONS.
SO, UM, THOSE INTERVIEWS ARE BEING DONE.
UM, AND I THINK WE HAVE SOME GOOD CANDIDATES.
UH, WE HAVE THREE SLATED FOR, I THINK IT'S THREE THAT ARE SLATED FOR THE ACADEMY IN JULY.
WE HAVE ONE CURRENTLY IN THE ACADEMY.
SO, BY THE WAY, IS IT, IS IT APPROPRIATE TO ASK QUESTIONS WHILE WE'RE GOING? OR WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO BE I'M FINE WITH THAT.
IT'S HOWEVER LONG YOU WANNA BE HERE.
UM, BECAUSE IT'S HARD FOR ME TO LIKE, TAKE NOTES AND THEN GO BACK.
UM, SO IS THE, IS THE OVERTIME SITUATION RELATED TO ALL THESE VACANCIES? YES.
UM, AND ONCE WE GET THERE, I, I AM SORRY TO JUMP AHEAD, BUT THEY ARE, THEY'RE ALREADY $14,000 OVER BUDGET ON THEIR OVERTIME AND WE'RE HALFWAY THROUGH THE YEAR.
AND THEN IF YOU LOOK, UM, I ALSO PUT IN THERE, UM, IF THE DEPUTIES ARE ON FTO, THAT MEANS THAT THEY ARE NOT, UM, ON THEIR OWN.
DEPUTY ROMER IS, UM, HE'S BEEN CLEARED, SO HE IS ON HIS OWN.
BUT UM, THE OTHER, WE HAVE AN INJURED AND THEN WE HAVE A COUPLE ON FTO.
AND THEN IF YOU SEE THE ONE THAT SAYS A CAD, THAT IS THE DEPUTY THAT IS OVER AT THE ACADEMY CURRENTLY.
SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE KIND OF, SO WHAT'S FTO, HOW THAT IS? WHAT'S FTO? UM, FIELD TRAINING.
AND HOW LONG I, I, I KNOW, I KNOW THE, THE AMOUNT, BUT THE F-B-O-F-T-O TRAINING IS, HOW MANY HOURS DO THEY HAVE TO DO THAT? UM, IT, IT KIND OF FLUCTUATES.
LIKE DEPUTY ROMER HAS IS AN EXPERIENCED DEPUTY.
HE HAS ACTUALLY BEEN AT THE BOURNE COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE BEFORE AND GOT REHIRED.
HIS FDO IS A LOT, UM, SHORTER THAN WHAT SOMEONE THAT HAS NEVER BEEN IN LAW ENFORCEMENT BEFORE, SO KIND OF FLUCTUATES.
SO JUST TO PUT IN PERSPECTIVE, THEY GRADUATED RIGHT BEFORE THANKSGIVING AND THEIR FTO WILL USUALLY TRAVEL TO ABOUT THE FIRST WEEK IN MARCH.
UM, ONE OF OUR FTOS GOT INJURED TOWARDS THE END OF THE ACADEMY.
HE WILL GO PROBABLY TILL THE END OF MARCH.
SO THEY'VE BEEN IN THE ACADEMY, THEY STARTED IN JULY.
SO YOU DON'T REALLY, WHEN YOU HAVE AN UNCERTIFIED, YOU REALLY DO NOT GET THEM OUT ON THE ROAD ON THEIR OWN UNTIL, UNTIL MARCH.
SO YOU'RE GOING FROM JULY TO MARCH WITHOUT THAT, THAT POSITION.
SO THE GOAL DEFINITELY IS TO GET CERTIFIED IF WE CAN.
I HAVE ONE, ONE LAST QUESTION.
I'M LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS RIGHT HERE.
SO IF WE, UH, SO IF YOU HAVE THE FULL COMPLIMENT OF VACANCIES THAT YOU NEED, RIGHT.
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LAST YEAR.THEY, THAT THEY WERE APPROVED LAST YEAR BY US.
COULD YOU EXPLAIN WHY THE, UM, S UH, THE RESOURCE DOLLARS WENT UP 12%? THE RESOURCE? WELL, YEAH, BECAUSE I'M JUST, I'M JUST ADDING CALL OUT SALARIES, MA'AM.
YEAH, BECAUSE AMENDED LAST YEAR WAS FOUR POINT, WELL, I'M GONNA JUST ROUND IT UP.
DALEY WANTS TO, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S JUST, I'M JUST NUMBERS, SO, YOU KNOW, SO I SEE THAT AMEND.
UM, THE AMENDED OF THIS FISCAL YEAR 24 IS 4.5 MILLION.
AND, AND, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT AN AN INCREASE OF ALMOST $600,000.
SO I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, IF WE, IF WE ALREADY APPROVED ALL THE 88, IS IT YEAH, THE 88, NO.
WHY WAS THERE AN INCREASE? BUT YOU DIDN'T, YOU DIDN'T APPROVE THE 88 LAST.
BUT THAT'S WHAT I NEEDED TO KNOW.
SO HOW MANY OF THE 88 WE DID NOT APPROVE LAST YEAR? YOU DID 68 OUT OF THE 72 OKAY.
SO THERE'S FOUR POSITIONS THAT WEREN'T BUDGETED THERE.
PLUS WE CHANGED THE ACCREDITATION MANAGER TO A SWORN POSITION AND THAT WILL NOW BE DOWN THERE.
SO THAT IS FIVE POSITIONS THAT WERE NOT IN THE, IN, NOT IN THAT BUDGET LINE ITEM.
DIDN'T SEE, DIDN'T SEE YOUR, YOUR HAND 10 MONTHS AGO.
WHEN THERE WERE SOME OTHER ITEMS IN THAT SHERIFF WANTED IN THE BUDGET, I DON'T SPECIFICALLY REMEMBER WHAT THEY WERE, BUT THERE WERE THINGS THAT THE SHERIFF WANTED IN THE BUDGET AND THEN WE TOOK THE BUDGET IN THE BOX AND WE SQUEEZED IT TOGETHER TO MAKE IT FIT.
I TOLD HIM WE'VE GOT TO TAKE THIS OUT.
AND HE SAID, NO, I'LL LEAVE THESE POSITIONS VACANT.
SO HE, HE SAID HE WOULD LEAVE THEM VACANT, WHICH MEANS HE WOULD NOT FILL THEM.
THE 72 WERE AUTHORIZED INCLUDED TWO YEARS AGO.
HE JUST, HE ASKED 'CAUSE HE WANTED TO DO THE PROJECT AND WE SAID WE COULD DO THE PROJECT AND HE WOULD NOT FILL THE VACANCIES.
BECAUSE HE COULDN'T FIND THE CANDIDATES HE WANTED.
SO HE WAS, HE WAS GOOD WITH THAT NIGHT.
EXCEPT FOR THAT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY EVEN THOUGH, SO THEN THAT MEANS I, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
I JUST, I'M TRYING TO WRAP MY ARM, MY, MY ARMS AROUND THIS.
SO, SO LAST YEAR WE APPROVED 72 POSITIONS, 72 POSITIONS.
YOU, WHEN YOU APPROVED, YOU AUTHORIZED THOSE POSITIONS.
SO THEY WERE, THEY WERE AUTHORIZED, CORRECT.
YOU SAID WE HAVE, WE'RE ADDING TWO DEPUTIES, SO WE APPROVED ADDING TWO DEPUTIES.
NOW WE'RE GONNA ADD ANOTHER DEPUTY.
WE'RE GONNA ADD ANOTHER DEPUTY.
ALL THESE DEPUTIES TOTALED UP TO THE BOARD, HAD APPROVED 72.
THE FUNDING WAS NOT INCLUDED FOR THE LAST AND I, YEAH.
AND I UNDER, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
SO, SO AS FAR AS THE FUNDING GOES THEN THAT WOULD BE FOUR, FOUR POSITIONS IN THIS BUDGET THAT WE DIDN'T COVER.
SO THAT'S, SO THAT WOULD BE, BUT THAT'S TOTAL OF THE 72, BUT YET IF WE HAVE 88, SO WE COULD TALK OFFLINE.
I AM TAKING TOO MUCH TIME, BUT, UM, ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, I DO OTHERS, BUT THIS MIGHT HELP A LITTLE BIT.
SO I DID A SUMMARY, UM, THAT I HAD PRESENTED AND UM, SO THIS'LL HAVE THE BREAKOUT SO THAT YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHO'S IN EACH OF THE DIVISIONS.
AND IT'S JUST A SUMMARY OF RIGHT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO JUST GET MY ARMS AROUND LAST YEAR TO THIS YEAR'S BUDGET.
AND, AND SO, BUT I WILL TELL YOU IF YOU CAN ALSO LOOK AT THE DECREASE, UM, OF 12% IN THE FULL-TIME, NON-EXEMPT, AND THEN ALSO THE 55% DECREASE IN THE PART-TIME POSITIONS AS WELL.
BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS AN INCREASE OF 12%.
SO, BUT I KNOW IT'S A WASH AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE MOVING ONE TO THE OTHER AND YOU'RE TRYING TO A LOT OF WORK YOUR ORGANIZATION VISION.
YOU KNOW, IT'S THE, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S OKAY.
I'M JUST A NUMBERS PERSON, SO JUST NEED TO JUST UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, I HAD TO DO THIS, THE DIFFERENCE EXERCISE AS WELL, JUST TO UNDERSTAND WHERE EVERYBODY NEEDS TO BE AND WHAT THAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
SO, UM, YEAH, I, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND.
SO I, 'CAUSE I EVEN LOOK HERE AT
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FULL-TIME, NON-EXEMPT 40, WHICH I LEARNED WHAT 40 AND 35 DIFFERENCE TODAY.BUT, UM, THE BUDGET INCREASED BY 23%, YOU KNOW, SO ANYWAY, I, I GET IT.
I THINK IT'S 13%, ISN'T IT? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE WHOLE DEPARTMENT? NO.
SALARY AND BENEFITS? UH, NO, I, WELL, I'M TALK YES, I, I TOOK IT FROM FULL-TIME ALL THE WAY DOWN TO WORKMAN'S COMP AND I'VE ADDED ALL THAT UP.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I'M, AND THAT'S 13%.
I WOULDN'T WORRY ABOUT SPENDING TOO MUCH TIME ON IT.
I, I DON'T, I DON'T, I LIKE TO, TO UNDERSTAND, OH, UM,
I, I'M, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE I HAVE MORE AN OPEN TO SIT DOWN AND HAVE AN OFFLINE DISCUSSION, SO THANK YOU.
BUT, BUT, BUT BOIL WHAT IT BOILS DOWN TO IS, UH, THANK YOU.
THE DESIGN NUMBER OF SLOTS IS 88 FOR THE FUNCTIONAL DEPARTMENT, AND WE'VE BEEN OPERATING WITH 72.
SO WE'RE BUDGETING TO GET TO 88.
SO I, I KNOW ON THE 72 IS JUST THE FULL-TIME SWORN POSITIONS.
OR THE PART-TIME THAT ASSISTS US IN GETTING THE JOB DONE.
SO LIKE OVER IN THE COURTS, THE COURTS, WE HAVE THREE DIFFERENT COURTS THAT SIT AND THEY SIT ON ALL SORTS OF, UM, DAYS OF THE WEEK.
SO YOU HAVE FOUR WEEKS IN THE MONTH AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
SO WE HAVE FULL-TIME POSITIONS THERE.
AND THEN TO COVER SOME OF THOSE OTHER COURTS THAT COME IN, WE UTILIZE THE PART-TIME EMPLOYEES THERE, WHICH SAVES US A, THE COUNTY A LOT OF MONEY BECAUSE WE'RE NOT PAYING FOR BENEFITS OR ANYTHING.
UM, SO THE 88 IS BOTH SWORN AND CIVILIAN FULL-TIME AND PART-TIME.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THAT'S WHAT STAFFING LEVEL WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE AT OR WANT TO BE AT.
WE'RE ACTUALLY AT A LE A LESSER THAN THAT BECAUSE ALL THESE RED VACANT THINGS.
SO, AND THESE INCLUDE THE VACANCY.
THIS IS IF THEY WERE FULLY STABBED.
SO, SO WE HAVE, WE'RE BUDGETING MONEY TO PAY PEOPLE WE DON'T YET EMPLOY, BUT WE HOPE TO SOON.
AND THIS IS MY IDEA AND THIS IS WHAT I BELIEVE THAT I CAN DO.
AND I HAVE A DECREASE IN THE PART-TIME AS WELL.
SO I HAVE LESS PERSONNEL, UM, ON THOSE TWO CATEGORIES THAN LAST YEAR, THAN WHAT YOU APPROVED ON HERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBERS WERE LAST YEAR.
I DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT, OKAY.
SO I STILL WOULD LIKE TO SIT WITH YOU OFFLINE TO UNDERSTAND THIS BECAUSE THE NUMBERS IN MY MIND AS A BUDGET PERSON, IT'S JUST NOT ADDING UP.
BECAUSE WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT LAST YEAR THE BOARD APPROVED 72 OFFICERS, FOUR OF THE POSITIONS WERE NOT FUNDED.
SO I UNDERSTAND THE INCREASE OF THE $600,000 ON THE RESOURCES WOULD ACCOUNT FOR THOSE FOUR POSITIONS.
SO WHAT, SO HOW MUCH WOULD BE A POSITION? A HUNDRED THOUSAND.
APPROXIMATELY A HUNDRED THOUSAND.
THAT'S THE OTHER PIECE IN HERE IS IN THE PAST WE HAVE BUDGETED THE POSITIONS AT A STEP A AND THE SHERIFF WOULD COME IN AND SAY, UM, JANE, THIS PERSON HAS THESE, UH, EXTRA BENEFITS.
THEY'VE BEEN, THEY HAVE THREE YEARS EXPERIENCE AND WE'RE GETTING THEM FROM X COUNTY AND WE WOULD LIKE TO OFFER THEM A SALARY APPROXIMATELY C MAYBE E.
AND I THINK I CAN GO AS FAR AS H AND THEN IF IT GOES ABOVE H THEN IT HAS TO COME TO THE BOARD.
WE, WE JUST WENT THROUGH THAT EXERCISE IN DECEMBER.
THE AGE IS 20% ABOVE THE MINIMUM.
SO THESE HAVE BEEN BUDGETED AT D WHICH IS 10%.
SO, AND THESE ARE 10% ABOVE THE STARTING SALARY AT STEP A ON THE ASSUMPTION THAT WE WILL GET CERTIFIED AND QUALIFIED PEOPLE WHO CAN COME OUT ON THE STREET WITH SOME TRAINING IMMEDIATELY.
APPROXIMATELY HOW MUCH HAS IT COST TO TRAIN SOMEONE BRINGING THEM IN AT GROUND ZERO? WELL, I MEAN, YOU'RE PAYING FOR SALARIES AND BENEFITS AND THEY HAVEN'T EVEN WHILE PUT ONE FOOT ON THE ROAD.
BUT, UM, WE PAY FOR THE ACADEMY, BUT WE HAVE TO PAY FOR THE BACKGROUND AND THE PHYSICALS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO YOU HAVE AN UPFRONT COST EVEN BEFORE THEY GO TO THE ACADEMY.
AND THEN YOU HAVE TO ALSO PAY FOR THE UNIFORMS, UM, FOR THAT THEY WEAR TO THE ACADEMY.
AND YOU ALSO HAVE TO OUTFIT THEM IN, UM, THEIR DUTY UNIFORM IN CLASS
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A FOR GRADUATION.SO I, I, I CAN'T PUT A A NUMBER ON JUST THAT ASPECT OF IT.
UM, BUT JUST TO OUT OUTFIT WITH THE ACADEMY IS PROBABLY CLOSE TO $5,000 AND THAT IS BEFORE THEY GO TO THE ACADEMY.
AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU'RE GONNA GRADUATE THE ACADEMY? NO, IT DOES NOT.
WE PURCHASE THAT REGARDLESS IF THEY MAKE IT OR NOT AND GRADUATE.
AND IN FACT, WE HAD TO, UM, POSTPONE SOMEONE FROM GOING TO THE, UH, ACADEMY AND THEY'RE GONNA GO IN JULY, BUT BY THE TIME THAT DECISION WAS MADE, HIS UNIFORMS FOR THE ACADEMY WERE ALREADY PURCHASED AND THEY COULD NOT SEND 'EM BACK.
SO WE ARE HOLDING THOSE FOR HIM FOR JULY.
SO THOSE HAVE BEEN PURCHASED, BUT THERE'S JUST A LOT THAT GOES INTO HIRING, YOU KNOW, BY THE TIME THE APPLICATION HITS, BY THE TIME THEY GET INTO THE ACADEMY, BY THE TIME THEY GRADUATE THE ACADEMY.
AND THEN BY THE TIME THEY GET INTO FTO, THERE'S JUST, THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY EXPENDED.
WE ESTIMATED, EXCLUDING THE BENEFITS.
WE ESTIMATE IF WE TAKE A NEW APPLICANT WHO HAS NOT GONE TO THE ACADEMY OR CERTIFIED ANY PLACE, WE'VE GOT A $50,000 INVESTMENT.
I, I THOUGHT PROBABLY SO NOT TO HOLD UP ANYMORE.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, I'LL REACH OUT TO YOU LATER ON THIS WEEK BECAUSE I STILL NEED TO WRAP MY ARMS AROUND THE 72 VERSUS THE 88.
THAT'S SO, UH, LET, LET'S JUST, WE'LL, WE'LL MOVE ON.
I'M JUST CURIOUS WITH IT, LIKE DR.
DALEY SAID THERE'S A $50,000 INVESTMENT.
DO WE HAVE SOME TYPE OF A, OF A WRITTEN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU SEND ME THE ACADEMY, I GRADUATE, THEN WHEN I SHOW UP, I PROMISE THAT I'LL GIVE YOU, YOU KNOW, TWO YEARS, THREE YEARS.
THERE'S DIFFERENT SCHOOLS OF THOUGHT, WHETHER THAT THAT WORKS OR NOT.
UM, AND THEN DO YOU PRORATE IT SO STAY, SAY THEY STAY 18 MONTHS OF THE TWO YEARS OR, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO THAT.
UM, I THINK WITH THE CULTURE AND THE SOCIETY TODAY WITH OUR YOUNG PEOPLE, THEY'RE VERY MOBILE.
UM, I DON'T, STAYING AT A, AN AGENCY FOR 25 YEARS IS, IS WE'RE GONNA SEE LESS AND LESS OF THAT.
I, I JUST HATE TO, TO TO SEE US.
AND I THINK THAT WOULD, I, I THINK PEOPLE WILL NOT WANT TO COME TO OUR AGENCY IF YOU START RESTRICTING A LOT OF THOSE ITEMS. WE REALLY NEED TO WORK ON RECRUITING.
I WOULD LOVE TO RECRUIT ALREADY CERTIFIED OFFICERS, DEPUTIES.
UM, IT WILL, THE COST BENEFIT OF THAT IS, IS ASTRONOMICAL.
WELL THEY'D BE COMING HERE 'CAUSE THEY WANT TO COME HERE, RIGHT? YES.
AND THAT'S 50,000 SORT OF, THAT INCLUDES THE SALARY.
YOU KNOW, YOU PAY THEM THE ENTIRE TIME THEY'RE IN TRAINING OKAY.
SITTING AT A DESK SO THAT, THAT'S THAT NINE MONTHS THE SHERIFF WAS TALKING ABOUT.
THE, THE, THE REASON I BROUGHT THAT UP IS 'CAUSE I, I'D HATE TO, TO BRING SOMEBODY ON, SEND 'EM THROUGH THE ACADEMY AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY WALK OUT THE DAY THEY GRADUATE AND THEY SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M GONNA GO UP TO WINCHESTER, SEE YA.
AND UH, 'CAUSE UH, I'VE SEEN THAT HAPPEN WITH, WITH OTHER AGENCIES LIKE LOUD COUNTY.
BECAUSE OF WHAT THE SO MUCH BETTER THEY GET ALL THE EXTRA MONEY.
IT'S A FIRE AND RESCUE GO THROUGH.
I I, I CAN IMAGINE I APPRECIATE, I MEAN, IT'S A BATTLE TO GET THE POSITIONS FILLED.
I MEAN, WE HAD A, A TURN IN SOCIETY, YOU KNOW, AGAINST LAW ENFORCEMENT AND, AND WHAT THIS MEANS.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THE PRIVATE SECTOR THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY HAVE INCREASED THEIR SALARIES AND, AND BENEFITS TO, YOU KNOW, IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
AND IT'S REALLY HARD BECAUSE WE ARE HELD ACCOUNTABLE TO THE TAXPAYER MONEY.
AND SO IT'S, IT'S FINDING THAT BALANCE.
HOW DO WE GET OUR WORKFORCE, BUT WE HAVE TO ALSO MAKE IT LIVABLE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE FOR THEIR FAMILY AND STUFF.
SO IT'S, IT'S FINDING THAT BALANCE AND THEN WE'VE GOT INFLATION AND WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, MILK THAT COSTS US, YOU KNOW, $6 A GALLON.
I, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, IT IT'S A LOT ON FAMILIES.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT THIS IS, WELL, I I APPRECIATE THE CHALLENGE THAT, THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE UP AGAINST.
SO GETTING ON THE, UM, THROUGH, LET'S SEE WHAT WE GOT HERE.
SO THE FIRST ONE IS THE HEALTH SERVICES, UM, LINE ITEM.
IT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT HAS INCREASED SUBSTANTIALLY BY $6,000.
SO THE MEDICAL EXAMINER, UH, FEES AND THE UNCLAIMED BODY FEES WERE NOT BUDGETED IN 24 AND MEDICAL EXAMINER FEES ARE $20 A CASE.
AND THEN WE GET CHARGED $750 FOR UNCLAIMED BODIES.
AND RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TWO THAT WE HAVE THAT, UM,
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NEED TO BE CREMATED AND MAKE ARRANGEMENTS FOR.AND SO WE ARE MOST LIKELY GONNA BE IN THE HOLE FOR THIS YEAR, UH, IN THAT LINE ITEM.
UH, WE CURRENTLY HAVEN'T BEEN BILLED FOR THE CURRENT TWO UNCLAIMED BODIES THAT WE HAVE.
THIS BUDGET IS LIKE, UH, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BUDGETS YOU JUST LOOKED AT WHERE ALL THESE SUBCATEGORIES? I DO.
AND YOU SEE THEM OVER HERE IN THE TOTAL, BUT YOU, YOU DON'T ADD THE 7,500 PLUS THE THREE, RIGHT? THREE TO 15 AND THE THREE AND THREE, THE 75, YEAH, I BROKE IT OUT.
JUST SO IT'S EASIER TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THAT, THAT POT OF MONEY IS.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A $6,000 INCREASE, BUT THAT'S NOT IT.
SO THE SECOND ONE THERE IS IMMUNIZATIONS THAT WAS IN ANOTHER LINE ITEM AND GOT TRANSFERRED TO THIS, UM, BECAUSE IT'S PART OF HEALTH SERVICES AND LAST YEAR, UH, THERE WAS ALMOST $1,250 EXPENDED IN THAT THIS YEAR.
UM, ALONE WE HAVE, UM, EXPENDED 1,655, WHICH IS ABOVE THE, THE AMOUNT THAT I'VE ASKED FOR THE BUDGET, UM, TO BE FOR THIS NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
I AM HOPING THAT IT'S GONNA BE AROUND THAT, THAT NUMBER.
I JUST NEED TO GET MY FEED UNDER ME EXACTLY WHEN AND WHAT AND HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE DONE THAT BEFORE.
I JUST START ATTACHING A HUGE NUMBER TO THAT.
SO, UM, I DO REALIZE THAT THE EXPENDITURES ARE GONNA BE LARGER THIS YEAR THAN WHAT I AM ASKING FOR NEXT YEAR ON THAT.
THE THIRD ITEM IN THAT CATEGORY IS THE PHYSICALS FOR NEW HIRES.
IN ORDER FOR THEM TO GO TO, UM, OUR NEW RECRUITS TO GO TO THE ACADEMY, THEY REQUIRE A FULL PHYSICAL, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WAS BUDGETED IN THE HR BUDGET.
UM, BUT BECAUSE IT IS NOT A COUNTYWIDE THING, ONLY THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS TO HAVE A FULL PHYSICAL, UM, THEY ASK THAT I PUT IT IN MY BUDGET SO THAT $3,000 IS BEING ADDED.
UM, OR TRANSFERRED, I GUESS, UM, FROM THE HR BUDGET ON THAT FOR HIRING.
CAN I ASK RU, WHAT IS HYBRID DISABILITY? THAT IS A, UH, HR QUESTION.
I'M JUST, UH, I'M JUST CURIOUS.
IT'S, UH, WHETHER RETIREMENT PLANS THROUGH BRS, WE HAVE THREE TYPES OF RETIREMENT.
AN EMPLOYEE WHO'S IN PLAN ONE.
PLAN TWO OR NEWER EMPLOYEES ARE PUBLIC SAFETY HYBRID IS BASICALLY EVERYONE WHO'S BEEN HIRED WITH PAST EIGHT YEARS.
SO AS PART OF THE HYBRID PLAN, UM, SHORT TERM DISABILITY, LONG TERM DISABILITY ARE ACTUALLY PAID BY THE EMPLOYER.
SO FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, REALLY IT'S ONLY THE ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF.
SO I THINK THERE ARE TWO PEOPLE THAT ARE ACTUALLY COVERED.
I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I DON'T HAVE.
YEAH, I, I, I, SO
I THOUGHT THERE WAS A DECREASE OF 34,000, WHICH IS, WHICH IS GOOD.
BUT I WAS, I LOOKED AT IT AND I GO, I, I THOUGHT MAYBE THERE WAS, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THE HEALTH SERVICES? NOPE.
UM, THE NEXT ONE IS, UM, A BIG ONE, AND WE CAN DISCUSS THIS AT LENGTH, UM, IS THE VETERINARIAN SERVICES, UH, THAT WAS BUDGETED FOR $5,000 THIS LAST YEAR, WHICH IS, UM, WOEFULLY UNDER BUDGETED.
CONSIDERING WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE LAST TWO OR THREE YEARS, UH, THAT VETERINARIAN SERVICES WAS FOR YOUR WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE OFFICE CANINES.
UM, THAT IS FOR, UH, THEIR ANNUAL CHECKUPS OR VACCINATIONS, FLEA AND TICK MEDICATION, TEETH CLEANING, EMERGENCY SERVICES, UM, WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET THE, UM, KEEP THE DOGS HEALTHY.
AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE THE ANIMAL CONTROL EMERGENCY SERVICES ASPECT OF THE VETERINARIAN SERVICES, WHICH IS, UM, ANY ANIMAL THAT ANIMAL CONTROL DEALS WITH THAT HAS BEEN INJURED, WHETHER IT BE HIT BY A CAR OR IT HAS, UM, EXTREME DISEASE, OR IT'S A HOARDING SITUATION WHERE THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, ANIMALS THAT ARE NOT CARED FOR, THAT NEED, YOU KNOW, CHECKUPS IF IT'S BEEN ATTACKED BY A WILD ANIMAL.
ALL, ALL THESE CERTAIN DIFFERENT CASES AND STUFF.
THE ANIMAL CONTROL, UM, NEEDS TO DECIDE ON THE SEVERITY OF THOSE CASES AND THEN TRANSPORT OVER TO THE EMERGENCY VET AND THE WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS REQUIRED TO, TO PAY THAT BILL.
THAT IS WHAT OUR RESPONSIBILITY IS, UM, ON THAT ASPECT.
SO THE CANINES WITH THE FIVE, I DID DO $2,000 A PIECE WITH ALL THEIR MEDICATIONS AND CHECKUPS
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AND, UM, THINGS THAT HAVE GONE ON WITH THEM.UM, NOW, NOW THESE ARE SPECIALLY TRAINED DOGS, AREN'T THEY? YES.
THEY'RE ONE OF OUR, THEY'RE LAW ENFORCEMENT DEPUTIES.
UM, AND THEN THE ANIMAL CONTROL ONES, UM, I DID BUDGET FOR 40,000 IN FISCAL YEAR 23.
UH, THE, UM, THERE WAS 16,000, UH, EXPENDED.
AND THEN IN 24, UM, CURRENTLY WE'RE AT 15,100, UM, WITH SOME OF THE ANIMAL SEIZURES AND THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE THAT, THAT'S JUST FOR 15 MONTHS.
SO YOU, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLY THAT BY TWO, YOU DON'T KNOW WHEN YOUR NEXT BIG CASE OR INVESTIGATION IS GONNA HAPPEN OR, OR WHAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH, WHETHER IT BE SMALL OR LARGE ANIMALS.
AND THEN I BELIEVE BACK IN 23, THE COUNTY ENDED UP PICKING UP A $33,000 BILL FROM THE HUMANE SOCIETY ON ANIMALS THAT WERE NOT COVERED UNDER THE MOU AND THE CARE FOR THAT.
SO THERE'S A LOT, THERE'S A LOT TO DO AND THERE'S A LOT WITH ANIMAL CONTROL.
AND WE NEED A BUDGET APPROPRIATELY.
AND I DO HAVE, YOU KNOW, PAST EXPENDITURES, UM, FOR ANIMAL CONTROL TO INCLUDE MM-HMM.
DID THAT COST YOU ALL, OR IS THAT THE TYPE OF THING YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IN THIS LINE ITEM? UM, YEAH, I THINK I HAVE THAT HERE ON THE 23.
I DON'T HAVE IT SPECIFICALLY ON HERE.
I DIDN'T BRING THE INDIVIDUAL BILLS TO SAY WHAT HAPPENED IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE.
UM, BUT SO FAR THIS YEAR, I, I, I THINK WE'RE AT A POINT THAT I THINK IT COULD JUSTIFY THE INCREASE IN THE NUMBER THERE.
SO THIS YEAR WE HAVE TO RENEW THE, UH, HUMANE SOCIETY'S CONTRACT.
I BELIEVE IT WAS ALREADY RENEWED.
WHEN WAS IT RENEWED? IT, I DON'T RECALL IT COMING TO THE BOARD.
I, I THOUGHT THEY WERE, IT WAS IN MAY, I BELIEVE.
I DON'T RECALL IT COMING TO THE BOARD FOR OUR APPROVAL, AND I COULD BE CORRECT.
INCORRECT
THERE'S SO MANY THINGS THAT COME ACROSS OUR TABLE.
BUT ANYWAY, UM, IF WE HAVE NOT YET RENEGOTIATED THEIR CONTRACT BEFORE, UH, FOR FISCAL YEAR 25, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT ANIMALS THAT THAT MOU OR THAT CONTRACT DID NOT COVER THAT RESULTED WITH A $30,000 BILL FROM THE COUNTY.
AND I HAVE A LIST OF THOSE ANIMALS THAT THAT WOULD BE PERFECT THAT YOU ALL, UM, RIGHT.
SO WE CAN TALK OFFLINE ABOUT THAT.
BUT, UM, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMEHOW WE WORK TOGETHER IN RESOLVING THAT.
'CAUSE THAT'S A, THAT'S A $30,000 OVERRUN.
YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE HUMANE SOCIETY TO HELP WITH ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
BUT WHEN THERE'S AN INJURED ANIMAL, THEIR PROTOCOL IS TO QUARANTINE THAT ANIMAL FOR SEVEN DAYS.
I, AND IF OUR ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER DOES NOT TAKE IT TO THE EMERGENCY VET, IT WILL SIT IN QUARANTINE FOR SEVEN DAYS WITHOUT MEDICAL CARE.
AND THAT COULD BE A BROKEN PLACE.
I, I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT IT'S AN AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY AND THE HUMANE SOCIETY.
SO I JUST WOULD LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, JUST DOUBLE CHECK ON THAT.
BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS A BETTER RELATIONSHIP AFTER THAT MOU WAS DONE.
AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE COMPLAINING ABOUT UNAUTHORIZED ANIMALS, UM, LIKE IT WAS PRIOR TO THAT, UM, TO THAT AGREEMENT BEING SET IN PLACE.
SO I, I'M NOT EXPECTING, AND I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT HAVING ANY KIND OF BILL ON ANIMALS THAT WERE OUTSIDE OF THAT MOU THAT THEY ARE HAVING TO BEAR THAT EXPENSE WITH.
WELL, I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS, BUT THE AGREEMENTS BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE HUMANE SOCIETY, SO WE'LL TALK OFFLINE, I THINK IT WAS SIGNED IN MAY OR JUNE OF LAST YEAR.
UM, BUT I DO HAVE RECORDS THAT IT'S BEEN WELL OVER $5,000, UM, FROM THE 2122 BUDGET, 22, 23 AND 2324.
UM, SO THAT IS WHAT THAT INCREASES THERE.
SHERIFF KLEIN, ONE OTHER QUESTION ABOUT THE ANIMAL CONTROL.
DO, DO WE DO ANIMAL CONTROL, UH, OPERATIONS FOR THE TOWN? OR DO THEY HANDLE THEIR OWN? YES, SIR.
UM, THERE'S AN MOU WITH THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY THAT I THINK WAS SIGNED LIKE IN 1998 OR 99, THERE WAS A, A TRANSFER OF RESPONSIBILITY.
SO THE COUNT OR THE TOWN TOOK OVER THE PARKS IN DOING, UM, PUBLIC SAFETY AND LAW ENFORCEMENT ENFORCEMENT IN, IN THE PARKS.
AND WE CLOSED THE GATES TO THAT, WHICH ARE OUR COUNTY PROPERTY.
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AND THEN, UM, THE COUNTY AGREED TO DO ANIMAL CONTROL.AND THEN I THINK THE FRONT ROW VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT WAS SOMEWHERE IN THAT DEAL AS WELL.
BUT YEAH, THAT'S BEEN IN, IN EXISTENCE SINCE 98.
SO THE NEXT THING ON THE LIST IS THE CLEANING AND JANITORIAL SUPPLIES.
AND THAT DID GO DOWN ABOUT 75 PER PERCENT.
SO WHAT I DID IS I WENT BACK AND ASKED A LOT OF QUESTIONS, OF COURSE, AND THERE WAS A LOT OF FUNDS THAT WERE OUT OF THAT LINE ITEM THAT WENT INTO OTHER LINE ITEMS. SO THEN I TRACKED THOSE, THAT MONEY, AND THAT IS WHERE THERE'S SOME INCREASES IN SOME OF THESE OTHER LINE ITEMS, JUST SO THAT IT IS A FAIR ACCOUNTING OF, OF THINGS.
SO, UM, I KEPT A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY IN THE JANITORIAL CLEANING AND JANITORIAL SERVICES.
THERE ARE THINGS THAT, UM, I DON'T THINK OUR CURRENT WARREN COUNTY STAFF IS, IS CAPABLE OF DOING, WHICH IS ALL OF THE, UM, DEEP CLEANING OF THE FLOOR STRIPPING AND DOING THE DEEP CLEANING OF THE CARPETS.
UH, WE NEED TO MAINTAIN AND, AND, AND KEEP IT SO THAT WE CAN HAVE IT FOR THE NEXT A HUNDRED YEARS.
SO THERE'S QUITE A FEW THINGS THAT I FEEL THAT WE NEED TO JUST KEEP UP ON.
ONE OF IT IS, I, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT ANY OF THE SIDEWALKS OR THE OUTSIDE HAS BEEN POWER WASHED, WHICH THERE IS BLACK GROWN, ESPECIALLY ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE BUILDING WHERE YOU GET THAT MOLD STUFF COMING OUT.
IT NEEDS TO BE TREATED WITH, UM, I BELIEVE IT'S CALCIUM CHLORIDE OR I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S CALLED, BUT THERE'S DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO.
THERE'S, THERE'S CRACKS IN THE SALLY PORT, UM, FLOORING THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT.
UH, THE BAY DOORS, THERE'S JUST A LITTLE BIT.
SO I, I'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE BUILDING MAINTENANCE THAT WE WILL DEFINITELY HAVE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS ABOUT WHEN WE HAVE TO START REPLACING THE ROOFING OR THE HVAC AND THOSE TYPE OF THINGS THAT WE REALLY NEED TO START PLANNING FOR THAT.
BUT I THINK WE CAN ALSO DO SOME UPKEEP ON THAT TOO.
SO THE, THE BIGGER ITEMS THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE COUNTY STAFF FOR, SO I DID, UM, LEAVE 5,000 IN THERE, BUT IT DID DECREASE 75%, UM, ON THE MOTOR VEHICLE REPAIRS.
FISCAL 23, FISCAL YEAR 23, WE WERE OVER BY $12,000.
UH, I DID INCREASE THAT TO 145,000 FOR INFLATION PLUS.
UM, AS WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN THE ASSET REPLACEMENT, WE HAVE AN AGING FLEET OF VEHICLES, UM, TO MAINTAIN.
AND I DID NOT WANT TO CUT A SHORT ON THAT ASPECT.
DO YOU HAVE YOUR OWN POOL, LIKE YOUR OWN, UM, CANNABIS POOL? OR DO YOU HAVE YOUR OWN, UH, SHOP? WE USE THE BUS BAR FOR THE SCHOOL.
THEY JUST BILL IT OUT AT WHATEVER.
AND HE DOES A GREAT JOB, UM, GETTING US IN.
I JUST HAD TO GET AN OIL CHANGE IN THE VEHICLE THAT I'M DRIVING
AND, UH, IT WAS VERY EFFICIENT.
UH, THEY, THEY DO A GOOD JOB, BUT, UM, IT COSTS A LOT OF MONEY.
MAKE HOW MANY, HOW MANY IS THAT? HOW MANY CARS IS THAT? HOW MANY HOW VEHICLES IS THAT? I HAVE THE VEHICLES.
WELL, I MEAN JUST, JUST 50 OR A HUNDRED OR IS IT ANY, IT'S NOT A HUNDRED.
UM, AND I, I, YOU KNOW WHAT I, I, I DON'T WANNA PUT YOU, I HAVE THE VEHICLE LIST AND I CAN SHARE THAT WITH YOU AS WELL.
GUESS, I GUESS I TOTAL PER TO DIVISION.
SO I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT MY VEHICLES WERE IN PATROL.
AND SO I NUMBERED THOSE EXACTLY HOW MANY VEHICLES I NEED IF I HAVE A FULL STAFF, BECAUSE I CERTAINLY DON'T WANNA HIRE CERTIFIED OFFICERS OR OFFICERS.
AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE A VEHICLE FOR THEM TO PUT IN, BECAUSE THEN WE'D HAVE TO DOUBLE UP THE VEHICLES, YOU KNOW? YEAH, YEAH.
SO, BUT JUST ROUGHLY, IT'S PROBABLY A COUPLE THOUSAND PER VEHICLE TO COME UP WITH THAT.
A HUNDRED THOU 140,000 OR ROUGHLY.
I HONESTLY, I WENT OFF OF LAST YEAR'S BUDGET ON THAT.
ON THAT THE LAST COUPLE YEARS ACTUALLY.
AND I, THERE'S INFLATION INVOLVED IN THAT, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT LIKE A 10% INFLATION.
SO THEY'RE AGING VEHICLES, ALL THAT.
AND, UM, I'M GONNA SAY WE HAVE PROBABLY BETWEEN 60 AND 75 VEHICLES.
I WOULD SAY OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT HAS A ASSET REPLACEMENT PLAN THAT LAYS OUT ALL OF THE VEHICLES THAT THE COUNTY HAS PURCHASED AND KNOWN.
FACULTY JUST, WE, UM, DISCUSSED THIS IN OUR, UM, BUDGET AND FINANCE, UM, COMMITTEE.
AND, UM, AND SO, AND IT WAS A BIG, BIG TASK, BUT, UM, THE COUNTY HAS IDENTIFIED ALL THE EQUIPMENT.
UM, YEAH, IT'S ALL, I COULD THROW EQUIPMENT IN THAT AS WELL, RIGHT.
BACK VEHICLES, ROOFING, THE WHOLE THING.
AND SO WE CAME, WE CAME UP, OH, WELL ACTUALLY FINANCE CAME UP WITH THE FORMULA OF WHEN THESE VEHICLES SHOULD BE REPLACED.
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LIKE SEVERE DUTY UHHUH.AND SO WHEN WE GO IN TO DISCUSS OUR ASSET MEMBER ASSET REPLACEMENT, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE WHICH VEHICLES NEED TO BE REPLACED.
SO IT, IT'S, IT'S, THEY'RE VERY THOROUGH AND IT'S BASED ON AGE AND MILEAGE.
I THINK IF THAT IS ABOUT 70 VEHICLES, THAT'S REALLY ONLY LIKE TWO GRAND A YEAR.
AND I'D BE LUCKY TO GIVE A YEAR ONLY SPEND TWO GRAND.
I KNOW THAT IT'S CLOSER TO 60 OR SOMETHING.
BUT STILL, WE SHOULD HAVE A MINIMUM OF 80 WITHOUT OUR SPECIAL USE VEHICLES.
I THINK WE'RE A LITTLE BIT VEHICLE POOR ON THAT ASPECT, BUT I, I DON'T THINK IT'S A BAD PRICE EITHER.
I MEAN, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE, THE, YEAH, THE BUS BARN, THEY, THEY HAVE AN HOURLY RATE, WHICH IS ROCK BOTTOM.
LIKE IF WE COULD GET THAT RATE.
AND THEN ALL THE PARTS WE GET FOR COST.
THERE'S NO MARKUP ON ALL THE, ON THE COSTS FOR THE PARTS.
SO THE, UM, EQUIPMENT AND MAINTENANCE, UM, THAT IS FOR YOUR GEN GEN.
UM, I CAN'T EVEN SAY WHAT I'M SAYING.
THE GENERATOR MAINTENANCE, THE RADIO MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRS, GROUNDING ISSUES.
UM, WITH OUR MOST RECENT VEHICLES, WE HAD TO COME IN, UM, THE RADIOS WOULD NOT WORK.
UM, AND WE HAVEN'T BEEN BILLED FOR THOSE.
MY FIRST WEEK, ALSO THE DOOR TO THE, UM, COMMAND SUITE, UM, THE ACCESS CONTROL STOPPED WORKING.
I GUESS IT WAS PULLED TOO TIGHT AND IT, IT BROKE, SO THAT WOULD NOT WORK.
SO WE DID HAVE TO COME AND GET THAT, UM, REPAIRED.
WE HAVEN'T BEEN BILLED FOR THAT.
UM, AND I BELIEVE IN THE FUTURE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT WE'RE GONNA NEED A NEW GENERATOR FOR THE BENTONVILLE TOWER.
UM, IT'S ONE OF THOSE HAND PULL GENERATORS THAT WE JUST HAD TO PULL THIS WEEK BECAUSE IT LOST POWER.
AND WHEN YOU LOSE POWER, THEN WARREN COUNTY FIRE AND RESCUE AND SHERIFF'S OFFICE DOES NOT HAVE THE CAPABILITY FOR THEIR REPEATER AND THE RADIOS ON.
SO WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT TOWER? WHO'S RESPONSIBLE? MM-HMM.
HE IS THE ONE THAT IS ON ALL THE TOWERS.
UM, IT, IT'S AMAZING WHAT THAT GUY KNOWS,
IS THAT, I THINK THERE'S SOME RENTAL PARTS ON THAT.
I DON'T KNOW THE INS AND OUTS, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY BRING CAPTAIN BROGAN UP HERE TOO.
OH, WE, THAT'S NECESSARY TECHNOLOGY ON THAT.
I MEAN, WE GOTTA KEEP 'EM UP AND RUNNING.
YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S JUST THAT I WAS JUST REAL SURPRISED THAT THAT CAME OUT OF YOUR BUDGET AND NOT THE COUNTY BECAUSE IT SERVES FIRE AND RESCUE AS WELL.
OR AT LEAST TO DO A COST SHARE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO HELP MAINTAIN THESE TOWERS.
'CAUSE IT'S THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF, OF OUR PEOPLE, YOU KNOW? SO, AND WE HAD ANOTHER TOWER GO DOWN, THE ONE THAT WAS RIGHT BEHIND THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING BECAUSE THE BIRDS WERE PULLING OUT DIFFERENT THINGS AND THANK GOODNESS THEY WERE ALREADY COMING TO REPAIR SOMETHING ELSE WHEN WE WENT DOWN COMPLETELY.
SO IT'S KIND OF, IT'S, IT'S GREAT HOW THAT HAPPENS, BUT IT'S ESSENTIAL TO HAVE THOSE TOWERS UP AND RUNNING AND OPERATE, IN MY OPINION, 99% REALITY RATE, RELIABILITY RATE.
UM, SO WHERE ARE WE AT? SO MAINTENANCE SERVICE CONTRACTS, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE ONLY WENT UP 2%.
UM, HOWEVER, THERE'S A COUPLE ITEMS IN THAT, UM, THAT BUDGET LINE ITEM THAT WENT UP, UM, LAST YEAR, IT WAS, I BELIEVE IT WAS LAST YEAR, THAT IT WAS APPROVED FOR THE BODY-WORN CAMERAS AND CLOUD SERVICE CLOUD SERVICES TO BE MOVED FROM ON-PREMISE TO, TO A CLOUD-BASED SERVICE THAT DID INCREASE, UM, THAT PORTION OF IT BY $33,000.
UM, BUT WE WERE ABLE TO CUT SOME OF THE OTHER ITEMS OUT OF THAT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO GET RID OF IS THE COBAN L THREE CAMERAS AND GO MORE TO THE WATCH GUARD.
SO IN THE FUTURE, I DO BELIEVE THAT IS GONNA GO UP SLIGHTLY.
THE L THREES ARE GOING OFFLINE.
THEY'RE NOT, UM, THEY'RE BETWEEN, I DON'T KNOW, 12, 15 YEARS OLD.
UM, SOMETIMES THEY WORK AND SOMETIMES THEY DON'T.
WE CERTAINLY CANNOT HAVE PATROL VEHICLES WITH IN-CAR CAMERA SYSTEMS THAT ARE NOT FUNCTIONING.
UM, I THINK THAT'S A HUGE LIABILITY AND WE NEED TO, TO GET THAT FIXED.
THE PRINTING AND BINDING, THAT WAS NOT BUDGETED IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET.
AND THAT IS ALL THE, UM, BUSINESS CARDS, TRAFFIC SUMMONSES, ANIMAL CONTROL FORMS, IMPOUND SHEETS, INVESTIGATIVE FORMS. UM, FISCAL YEAR 23, 20 $600 WAS EXPENDED AND IT WASN'T BUDGETED FOR.
AND WE JUST HAD TO PURCHASE, UM, FORMS. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THOSE FORMS WERE FOR, BUT IT'S A BILL FOR $1,600.
AND SO THAT LINE ITEM, WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO TRY TO FIND SOME, SOME MONEY TO COVER THAT FOR THIS YEAR.
UH, SO I DID, UM, PUT $3,500 IN THERE TO GET STARTED FOR THAT.
UH, THE FILING AND SERVICES FEE, THAT IS YOUR DMV REGISTRATION
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FEES, YOUR EPAS FOR COURT HOLDING WHEN THEY GO FOR EXTRADITION.UM, GOING, GOING THROUGH THERE, UM, THE ROTARY OR NOTARY RENEWALS AND BACKGROUND CHECKS, UM, SUBPOENA DOCUMENT FEES.
UH, SO A THOUSAND DOLLARS WAS BUDGETED, BUT A COUPLE OF THOSE ITEMS WEREN'T BUDGETED FOR AND WE NEEDED TO COVER IT.
THE ADVERTISING, I LEFT THAT THE SAME FOR THE SHERIFF'S AUCTION.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE IN THAT AND WHEN THAT SHERIFF'S AUCTION WILL BE, BUT IT IS ADVERTISING FOR THAT.
AND THEN THERE'S SOME CIVIL ITEMS THAT ALSO NEED TO BE ADVERTISED IN THE PAPER.
AND THAT IS, THAT IS NOT CHEAP.
SO WHAT, WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE, THE SHERIFF'S AUCTION? THAT'S WHERE YOU'VE IMPOUNDED SOMETHING FROM.
NOT NECESSARILY IMPOUNDED, UM, VEHICLES.
IT'S NOT REALLY VEHICLES, BUT WE GET A LOT OF FOUND PROPERTY OR WE HAVE ITEMS OF, UM, EVIDENCE, OR MAYBE IT'S NOT EVIDENCE, BUT THINGS THAT WE'VE SEIZED, WE CAN'T FIND THE OWNER OR THE OWNER DOESN'T WANT THEM ANYMORE.
WE HAVE, UM, ITEMS THAT THE INDIVIDUALS HAVE SAID THEY DON'T WANT ANYMORE AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THEM.
SO YOU PUT 'EM IN, YOU HAVE TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW WHEN THAT AUCTION IS.
AND, UM, AND SO THE, SO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS ABLE TO, TO RETAIN THOSE, THOSE FUNDS.
I, YOU KNOW, TO, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENS TO THOSE FUNDS IF THEY'RE PUT IN THE, THE GENERAL FUND OR THEY'RE PUTTING IN, PUT IN A LINE ITEM HERE.
I, I DUNNO THE ANSWER TO THAT.
I THINK THEY GO TO GENERAL FUNDS.
I THOUGHT YOU COULD PROBABLY, I WOULD THINK SO.
DOES THAT SHERIFF'S AUCTION INCLUDE, UM, I KNOW LAST YEAR THEY PASSED ASSET FOR ASSET FORFEITURE.
DOES THAT THAT INCLUDE ANYTHING THAT WAS SEIZED IN UNDER THAT? Y YES.
AND THOSE FUNDS, LIKE YOU CAN USE FOR ASSET FORFEITURE, YOU CAN USE A VEHICLE.
SO SAY WE GET A VEHICLE AND IT DOESN'T HAVE A LIEN AND WE WE'RE ALLOWED TO USE THAT.
ONCE IT IS SOLD ALL OF THOSE FUNDS, YOU HAVE TO GIVE THAT BACK TO THE STATE.
YOU GET TO USE IT FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, BUT YOU CANNOT BENEFIT FROM THE SELL OF IT.
UM, LAUNDRY SERVICES, UM, THAT IS INCREASED.
I, I DO BELIEVE IN PROFESSIONALISM.
THIS IS A CAREER AND IT, IT, IT IS A PROFESSIONAL CAREER.
AND I, I DO WEAR THIS UNIFORM EVERY DAY.
I DON'T DRY CLEAN IT EVERY TIME, BUT WHEN MY CREASE LEAVES, I WILL HAVE IT DRY CLEANED.
BUT, UM, ALL OF COMMAND STAFF LIEUTENANTS ARE, UM, CAPTAINS AND UP.
THIS IS GONNA BE THEIR REGULAR DAILY WEAR.
UM, ON INCLEMENT WEATHER DAYS, OF COURSE CLASS BS.
UH, AND THEN WE HAVE CLASS A'S FOR THE LIEUTENANTS, UM, ON THAT ASPECT, I DO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO ROLL OUT, UM, IN OTHER AREAS.
UH, UNIFORMS WERE JUST PURCHASED AGAIN.
UM, WHICH YOU'LL SEE DOWN THERE, I THINK, UM, 24, 20 7,000, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THERE HAS BEEN EXPENDED IN THE FIRST HALF OF THE YEAR ON THE NEW UNIFORMS. AND I COORDINATED WITH THEM 'CAUSE THEY'RE BLACK ON BLACK ON BLACK.
SO I DID COORDINATE WITH THEM SO THAT WE DIDN'T LOOK LIKE WE WERE A HODGEPODGE MESS.
UM, BUT I, I EXPECT THAT DRY CLEANING WILL INCREASE SLIGHTLY BECAUSE OF THAT.
BUT I TRULY BELIEVE THIS IS A PROFESSION AND WE NEED TO LOOK THE PART.
ACTUALLY, I BELIEVE LAST YEAR THERE WAS A $10,000 LINE ITEM FOR THIS.
SO YOU DIDN'T INCREASE IT, YOU ACTUALLY LOWERED IT.
WELL, I MEAN, I, I JUST SAW THE 4,000 AND I WAS LIKE, THAT IS NOT GONNA BE ENOUGH.
SO RIGHT NOW I FELT COMFORTABLE 'CAUSE WE'RE AT 1500.
UM, BUT THAT IS IN THE FIRST SIX MONTHS WHERE WE HAVEN'T REALLY ROLLED OUT WHAT WE'RE DOING THE SECOND SIX MONTHS.
SO, UM, THE SAFETY ENHANCEMENTS, THAT IS THE ALTERATIONS, UH, THAT WAS NOT BUDGETED FOR LAST YEAR.
THE LAST BILL THAT WAS PAID, WHICH IT MADE THIS LINE ITEM OVERDRAWN, WAS IN, UM, 23.
SO I JUST, I TRYING TO GET A START ON THIS UNTIL WE CAN GET THROUGH IT.
I, I DOUBLED THAT AMOUNT BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT MORE PEOPLE IN CLASS A WEARING THEM ON THE DAILY TIME WILL TELL WHETHER THAT IS ENOUGH OR NOT.
UM, THE NEXT ITEM IS NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART.
I BELIEVE THIS NEEDS TO BE WITH ANY BUSINESS.
AND, UH, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS NO DIFFERENT, BUT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND MARKETING IS A MUST, ESPECIALLY IN TODAY'S SOCIETY.
UM, I JUST SPOKE IN JANUARY AT THE CHAMBER LEADERSHIP, UM, DAY THAT THEY HAD FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.
AND, UH, THE FRONT ROW POLICE DEPARTMENT IN WARREN
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COUNTY, FIRE AND RESCUE AND US, WE ALL WENT UP TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING AND WE GAVE A SPEECH AND I WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT WASN'T ABLE TO GIVE A SWAG BAG TO THE LEADERSHIP PARTICIPANTS.BUT I PROMISED THEM WE WILL RECTIFY THAT SITUATION BY THE TIME THEY GRADUATE AT THE END OF THE YEAR, I WILL HAVE THEIR, THEIR SWAG BAGS.
BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT WHEN YOU HAVE KIDS COMING IN AND TOURING THE FACILITY AND YOU CAN GIVE THEM A BAG WITH, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC SAFETY COLORING BOOKS AND REALLY REACHING OUT IN THE BADGES AND, YOU KNOW, THE LITTLE ARMBANDS OR THE PENCILS, THE PENS, YOU KNOW, THE STADIUM CUPS, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS THAT THEY CAN TAKE AWAY SOMETHING FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
LIKE I, IF YOU COULD JUST SEE IT.
UH, WE HAVE TOURS OF LIKE THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE STUDENTS AT, AT THE SCHOOLS.
TIM WOLF IS PHENOMENAL AND IT'S, IT'S BUILDING THAT RELATIONSHIP, BUT IT'S ALSO THE ADULTS AS WELL.
I MEAN, ADULTS ARE JUST AS HAPPY TO GET A LITTLE, LITTLE GIFT, UM, HERE AND THERE AND STUFF, BUT IT'S NOT BUDGETED FOR.
AND I THINK 15,000 IS A START ON THAT.
UM, IT GOES QUICK, BUT, UM, I FIGURED THAT WAS A START.
WE'LL SEE WHAT WE HAVE AND WHAT, UM, OUR INVENTORY IS AT THE END OF NEXT YEAR AND SEE WHERE WE GO FROM THERE.
BUT I, I THINK WE NEED TO START SOMEWHERE.
AND THAT IS, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S KIND OF AN INVESTMENT IN THE FUTURE TO, LIKE YOU MENTIONED HOW THERE'S A SOCIETAL SHIFT SORT OF AGAINST LAW ENFORCEMENT AND JUST, YOU KNOW, STARTING WITH KIDS, GETTING THEM TO BE LESS AFRAID AND MORE, MORE, YOU KNOW, OPEN TO THE IDEA OF POLICE IS MM-HMM.
AND ESPECIALLY IN THE SCHOOLS WITH THE DISCIPLINE PROBLEMS, I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY THERE TOO.
AND SO WOULD THIS COMPLIMENT THE COMMUNITY POLICING? YES.
IT IS ALL ABOUT COMMUNITY POLICING.
IT'S GO GOING, WHICH IS DOWN HERE A LITTLE BIT IN THE RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION ALSO IS GOING TO THE JOB FAIR.
SO LIKE, THE SCHOOLS ARE HAVING A JOB FAIR AND WE WANNA PROMOTE BEING A DISPATCHER.
YOU CAN, WE CAN HIRE DISPATCHERS AT 18.
IT'S REALLY, IT'S REALLY YOUNG, BUT IF THIS IS AN AREA THAT THEY WANNA GET INTO, WE'RE LIKE, WE'RE ALL ABOUT IT.
BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A TABLE AND YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A BANNER AND THINGS ON YOUR TABLE AND PROMOTE WHY YOU WANNA COME AND WORK, WORK FOR US.
THERE'S NO DOUBT IN MY MIND THERE'S EXPENSES INVOLVED WITH COMMUNITY POLICING BECAUSE YOU, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, UM, UH, WHAT IS IT CALLED FOR THE, WE HAD IT LAST YEAR FOR THE SENIORS AND, UM, AND EVERYBODY WAS THERE AND HAD THEIR TABLE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S THAT TYPE OF STUFF.
SO I JUST WANT, I JUST WANTED, YOU KNOW, TO SEE THAT TIED INTO, I PROBABLY THE COMMUNITY WHO DID THAT AMOUNT.
SO IF YOU GUYS REALLY FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT MARKETING AND ENGAGING WITH OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR YOUTH, YOU CAN ALWAYS INCREASE THAT.
IT WOULD NOT HURT MY FEELINGS.
SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF YOU SEND A FLYER OUT AND, AND, AND IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S NEW IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND, YOU KNOW, YOU KIND OF RUN DOWN SOME OF THE THINGS AND, AND I THINK THAT REALLY HELPS THE COMMUNITY.
AND WHEN THEY SEE IT, WHEN THEY SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT COME OUT, THEY CAN SAY, OH, OKAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SHERIFF, THE SHERIFF DOES CARE ABOUT US.
AND, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF JUST BEING THE ONE WHO WANTS TO STOP YOU ON THE, ON THE, THE ROAD, THEY, THEY CARE ABOUT US.
AND THEY, AND THEY, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
I THINK WE SHOULD CONTINUE WITH THE COMMUNITY POLICING THAT.
AND I, AND IT, IT'S ON THE ORGANIZATIONAL CHART.
I MEAN THERE, THERE'S THREE AND A HALF POSITIONS FOCUSED ON COMMUNITY POLICING WITH WHAT OUR STAFFING LEVELS ARE.
I HAVE A LOT OF THE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS AND, UM, TERRY WHO HAS BEEN DOING IT FOREVER, THAT IS KEEPING UP WITH THAT.
BUT WE REALLY NEED TO PUSH THAT.
UM, IT'S GOOD FOR OUR COMMUNITY, IT'S GOOD FOR OUR AGENCY, IT'S GOOD FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT AS, AS A, A WHOLE PUSHING FORWARD.
AND I DO BELIEVE IN THAT CULTURE.
WE WORKED REALLY HARD TO GET CERTIFIED AS A POLICING COMMITTEE, UM, DEPARTMENT.
I SUPPORT, IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT MM-HMM.
I KNOW IT USED TO BE THAT, UM, THE DEPUTIES CARRIED TEDDY BEARS SO THAT THEY HAD, IF THEY HAD TO DEAL WITH A CHILD IN A TRAUMATIC EVENT, THEY, IT KIND OF SOOTHED A LITTLE BIT.
DO THEY STILL DO THAT? AND THERE ARE SOME THERE? UM, JUST WORKING AT ANOTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY, IT WAS DIFFICULT SOMETIMES TO HAVE LIKE A BIG BAG OF STUFFED ANIMALS AND THINGS THAT COULD EASILY GET DIRTY IN THE, THE TRUNKS NOW THAT WE'VE MOVED TO MORE OF AN SUV STYLE, AND YOU CAN PUT TUBS BACK THERE, IT'S GOTTEN EASIER ON THAT ASPECT, BUT THAT IS WHERE YOU CAN BUY SOME, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE SQUEEZE BALLS.
LIKE YOU HAVE A CHUCKY BALL, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU CAN HAVE.
YEAH, I WAS THINKING MAYBE NOT NECESSARILY MORE PLASTIC THINGS.
THERE'S SO MANY ITEMS OUT THERE THAT, THAT YOU, YOU CAN GET.
BUT YES, WE DO HAVE SOME OF THOSE AVAILABLE.
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I'M ASSUMING PEOPLE CAN DONATE THOSE IF THEY WANT TO AS LONG AS THEY'RE, THEY'RE NEW.COMING FROM THAT, I JUST WASN'T SURE.
THERE'S SO MANY ALLERGIES AND EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, PET ALLERGIES AND EVERYTHING IS REALLY, IT'S, IT'S DIFFICULT WHEN YOU'RE HANDING OUT SOMETHING, YOU CERTAINLY DON'T WANNA MAKE THE SITUATION WORSE.
AND SOMEONE HAVING AN ALLERGIC REACTION OR OUT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING WITH THAT.
UM, MISCELLANEOUS SERVICES, I HATE THE WORD MISCELLANEOUS, SO, UM, I DID, I I BROKE THAT OUT AS WELL IN THE SUBCATEGORIES.
PRE-HIRE SERVICES, UH, I THINK ARE VERY IMPORTANT.
UH, WE DEFINITELY WANNA HIRE THOSE WITH, UM, WITH AT THE HIGHEST ETHICAL STANDARDS AND EMOTIONAL STABILITY AND INTEGRITY.
AND I DO BELIEVE THAT A PSYCHOLOGICAL AND A POLYGRAPH SHOULD BE IN ORDER FOR, FOR THIS CAREER AND THIS PROFESSION.
UM, THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN BUDGETED IN THE PAST.
UH, I THINK IT IS DEFINITELY A NEED.
YOU WANT THE RIGHT PERSON DOING THIS JOB.
UM, THE PSYCHOLOGICAL IS $450, UM, AND WHICH CAN BE RIGHT OVER IN, IN, IN WINCHESTER.
AND THEN YOUR POLYGRAPH IS $250.
AND THAT $250, THERE'S QUITE A FEW POLYGRAPHERS IN THE AREA.
WHEN WE WENT THROUGH, UM, THE MASS EXODUS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, UH, EVERYBODY WAS TRYING TO HIRE, AND PEOPLE, AGENCIES THAT HAVE POLYGRAPHERS WERE JUST OVERWORKED AND THEY WERE DOING THEIR OWN AGENCIES.
UH, SO WE DID FIND A GROUP THAT WAS IN MANASSAS, AND THEY DO IT IN THE TURNAROUNDS QUICK.
YOU CAN GET IN THERE RIGHT AWAY WITHIN A WEEK, AND YOU GET THE REPORT WITHIN A COUPLE DAYS.
UH, WE HAVE REACHED OUT, I, I BELIEVE THE LIEUTENANT IN INVESTIGATIONS LIEUTENANTS MO, REACHED OUT TO FREDERICK COUNTY AND THEY ARE GOING TO, THEY HAVE AGREED TO DO THE POLYGRAPHS FOR US.
UM, SO WE'RE IN BACKGROUNDS NOW, AND WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT OF HIRING, THEY ARE GOING TO, UM, FIT US IN OVER THERE.
SO THAT IS GOOD TO GET US THROUGH THESE SIX MONTHS BECAUSE WE, WE WE'RE STARTING THAT FROM, FROM DAY ONE.
SO IN THESE SIX MONTHS, IT IS NOT BUDGETED FOR.
AND WE CERTAINLY WANT TO GET THE BEST CANDIDATES FOR OUR AGENCY AND COMMUNITY.
UM, SO WE ARE, WE'RE WORKING WITH FREDERICK COUNTY, THEY'RE GONNA DO THAT.
BUT I DO THINK THAT WE NEED A BUDGET FOR IT FOR NEXT YEAR.
THE $10,000 BUDGET FOR THAT IS THE HIRING OF 14 PEOPLE, WHICH IS THE 14 VACANCIES WE HAVE NOW.
UM, THERE'S A PRICE TO TO PAY FOR THAT.
BUT I THINK IN THE LONG RUN LIABILITY STANDPOINT, I THINK IT'S A, IT'S ABSOLUTELY NEEDED.
UH, THE TOWING THAT IS, UM, IN FISCAL YEAR 23, IT WAS, UH, ALMOST $2,300.
AND SO FAR THIS YEAR IT IS $1,200.
THOSE ARE YOUR TOWS FOR, UM, YOUR PATROL VEHICLES THAT GET INTO AN, AN UNFORTUNATE ACCIDENT OR THEY HIT A DEER OR THEY, UM, JUST STOPPED WORKING THE MALFUNCTION.
IT'S ALSO FOR THOSE VEHICLES THAT WE HAVE TO TOW OFF THE ROADWAY, UM, WE, WE CAN'T FIND AN OWNER.
WE DO TRY TO GET THOSE, UM, RECTIFIED IN COURT.
UM, BUT THERE'S DIFFERENT INSTANCES OF WHY WE WOULD NEED TO TOW.
AND THEN TRANSCRIPTION SERVICES, UM, WITH MAJOR FELONY CASES, THERE'S TIMES THAT TRANSCRIPTION OF INTERVIEWS AND INTERROGATIONS, UM, MUST BE HAPPENING.
DEPENDS ON WHAT THAT, UH, THAT CASE IS.
BUT THAT NEEDS TO BE BUDGETED FOR AS WELL.
THE CABLE, THE NEXT ITEM THAT WAS NOT BUDGETED FOR FISCAL YEAR 24, THAT WAS UH, ZERO CURRENTLY, UM, THE EXPENDITURES IN THAT LINE ITEM, WE ARE NEGATIVE $3,635.
THAT IS FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING IN THE COURT HOLDING TV AND INTERNET.
UM, SO TO GET US THROUGH THAT, UM, I HAVE BUDGETED $6,000.
I THINK WHEN WE HIT THE DECEMBER POINT BEFORE THE JANUARY BILL CAME OUT, WE WERE AT $3,100.
SO 6,000, I THINK THAT IS A GOOD NUMBER FOR TO BUDGET FOR THAT, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE BUDGETED.
THE POSTAGE, I DIDN'T, UM, MAKE ANY CHANGES THERE.
THE TELEPHONE, THERE'S NO CHANGES THERE.
THE CELL PHONE, THE CELLULAR, I DID GET PERMISSION.
THANK YOU, ALYSSA, UM, FOR THE GEOTAB AND THE CELLULAR SERVICE TO BE PUT IN THE SAME LINE ITEM.
PREVIOUSLY THEY WERE IN TWO LINE ITEMS, HOWEVER, THEY COME ON THE SAME BILL.
UM, IT'S FOR THE CELLULAR PHONE SERVICE AS WELL AS THE GEO TABS.
GEO TABS IS GPS, WHICH RUNS ON A CELLULAR SERVICE.
AND SO WE PUT THAT ALL IN ONE LINE ITEM.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE THERE IS A BIG INCREASE OF, OF 70%,
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ALMOST 70% IN THERE, BUT IT WAS JUST SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE BUDGET.SO WE ARE MAINTAINING BOTH OF THOSE PRICE.
UM, PRICES, NEITHER ONE OF THEM WENT UP
I CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THE LIABILITY INSURANCE.
AUTO INSURANCE, THAT IS SOMETHING WE DON'T TOUCH OR SET.
UM, OFFICE SUPPLIES HAS NOT CHANGED.
THAT WAS, UM, OVER BUDGET BY $700 IN 23 AND IN THE COMING YEAR, UM, WE HAVE ALREADY SET UP THAT WE ARE GONNA DO A WEEK LONG CIT CRISIS INTERVENTION TRAINING, UM, AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
THAT IS SEPARATE THE LAST WEEK OF SEPTEMBER.
I'VE ALSO TALKED TO, UM, THE TRAINING COORDINATOR ABOUT BRINGING AN N-T-O-N-T, I CAN'T SPEAK NTOA CONFERENCE TO WARREN COUNTY AT THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING.
THEY HAVE A BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY ROOM UP THERE.
UM, IF WE CAN HOST IT, HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET SOME OF THOSE SEATS FOR FREE.
UM, BUT THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF COST WHERE YOU HAVE TO PLAY HOSTESS, WHICH IS IN THE FOOD ITEM, FOOD AND BEVERAGES AND, AND KEEPING THAT SUPPLY.
SO THAT DID GO UP, UH, SLIGHTLY.
THE LAUNDRY AND JANITORIAL SUPPLIES THAT STAYED THE SAME.
UM, MAINTENANCE SUPPLIES THAT STAYED THE SAME VEHICLE POWER EQUIPMENT THAT STAYED THE SAME.
THE FUEL THAT I HAD, THAT THE SAME, WE ARE VEHICLE POOR AT THIS POINT.
I THINK SOME VEHICLES WERE TRADED IN FOR, FOR NEW ONES.
UM, AS WE GET THE NEW VEHICLES IN THERE, UM, I THINK WE'LL EXPEND A LOT MORE THAN WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY SHOWING.
I FIGURED THAT WAS A GOOD JUMPING OFF POINT THERE.
SO WE'RE KEEPING THAT AS, AS IT, IT NEEDS TO BE.
THE POLICE SUPPLIES AND AMMUNITION, I DID INCREASE THAT FOR INFLATION, UM, AS WELL AS A TRAINING ITEM.
SO USUALLY, UM, WHAT HAS BEEN DONE IN THE PAST IS THAT THERE'S QUAL QUALIFICATIONS EVERY FALL.
UM, WE HAVE TO DO THAT PER DCJS.
THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE TRAINING WE CAN GET THAT WEAPON IN OUR HAND.
SO I HAVE PROPOSED THAT WE DO A SPRING TRAINING, WHICH WE'RE GONNA DO THIS YEAR, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVEN'T REALLY BUDGETED FOR IT.
UM, BUT OUR INVENTORIES WILL ALLOW US TO DO IT AT THIS POINT.
UM, BUT WE NEED SPRING TRAINING, SPRING FIREARMS TRAINING, PLUS WE'RE GONNA DO A DEFENSIVE TACTICS REFRESHER AS WELL.
UM, IT'S JUST GOING OVER THE TECHNIQUES.
IT, IT IS, UM, THOSE ARE TWO OF THOSE AREAS ARE VERY, UM, LIBELOUS.
IT, IT'S A HUGE LIABILITY ON THAT ASPECT.
THE ALSO, THE OTHER ISSUE WITH THE AMMUNITION IS THAT IT'S BEEN TAKING 12 TO 18 MONTHS IN ORDER TO GET THE DELIVERIES.
SO JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT EXPENDED WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE THIS YEAR, UM, WE ARE WAITING ON A DELIVERY AS WELL AS, UM, THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION PURCHASED NEW FIREARMS AND WE, UM, DID A TRADE IN AMMO.
SO THE COST OF AMMO FOR THIS, THIS BUDGET PERIOD WAS SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN WHAT IT NORMALLY IS.
SO IT WILL PICK BACK UP AND BE NORMAL NEXT YEAR.
UM, IS THERE, IS THERE A DIFFERENT COST FOR, FOR AMMO? I MEAN, SAY LIKE, UH, IF, UM, IF YOU HAVE NINE MILLIMETERS AND FOR SOME REASON, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU NEED TO PICK SOMETHING UP, YOU KNOW, YOU GO OVER TO, UM, UM, WHAT IS IT, UH, RURAL KING, IS THERE A DIFFERENCE IN THE AMMO THERE THAN WHAT YOU WOULD GET, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE, THROUGH YOUR SOURCE? I, I COULD NOT ANSWER THAT QUESTION, BUT IF CAPTAIN MUMA IS IN THE BACK, HE PROBABLY COULD ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
UM, THE POLICE SUPPLIES, UM, I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE, BUT, UM, MOST LIKELY IN YEARS TO COME, I AM GOING TO SPLIT THOSE OUT IN SUBCATEGORIES.
UH, I DON'T BELIEVE THEY SHOULD BE IN THE SAME LINE ITEM, BUT THEY, THEY ARE, THE POLICE SUPPLIES ARE MORE OF, UM, YOUR, YOUR EVIDENCE COLLECTION AND, AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
I THINK YOUR WEAPONS AND AMMUNITION AND YOUR, YOU KNOW, ITEMS LIKE THAT, IT NEEDS TO BE IN A DIFFERENT LINE ITEM, BUT WE'LL WORK ON THAT, MAYBE DOING SOME SUBCATEGORIES AND STUFF AND, AND GETTING A REAL IDEA ON WHAT IS EXPENDED IN EACH OF THOSE THINGS.
BUT RIGHT NOW IT, IT, IT'S LISTED IN ONE LINE ITEM AND, UM, IT MIGHT LOOK A LITTLE DIFFERENT NEXT YEAR.
UM, THE WEARING APPAREL, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IT PROBABLY IS GONNA GET A LOT OF OF QUESTIONS.
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OTHER AGENCIES, AND I DID SNOOP AROUND A LITTLE BIT IN WARREN COUNTY FIRE AND RESCUE, BUT I ADMITTED FULLY TO THEM WHAT I DID, UM, JUST TO SEE IF I WAS ON THE RIGHT TRACK WITH MY, MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT ON THAT.UM, WHAT HAS BEEN BUDGETED WAS $20,000.
IT DOES SAY THAT 27,000 IS THE AMENDED AMOUNT.
UM, 7,500 OF, WELL, 7,800 OF THAT WAS TRANSFERRED FROM ASSET FORFEITURE.
AND 20,000 IS NOT ENOUGH WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 81 FULL-TIME AND PART-TIME EMPLOYEES.
SO WHEN THE NEW UNIFORMS JUST GOT ROLLED OUT THIS PAST SUMMER FALL, EACH OF THE PATROL DEPUTIES OR ACTUALLY EVERYBODY GOT TWO UNIFORMS AND TWO UNIFORMS IS NOT ENOUGH.
WHEN YOU'RE WORKING FOUR, 12 HOUR DAYS OR YOU'RE WORKING FIVE DAYS LIKE YOUR SROS AND YOUR COURT SECURITY, UM, UM, IN THAT ASPECT.
AND SO TO ASK YOUR DEPUTIES AND YOUR EMPLOYEES IF THEY WANTED ANY EXTRA UNIFORMS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO PURCHASE THEM, THEM THEMSELVES, I THINK IS ABSURD.
WE NEED TO GIVE THEM THE UNIFORMS AND PROVIDE THEM SO THAT THEY CAN DO THE JOB THAT THEY'RE DOING.
AND SO I DO PROPOSE ON GETTING THEM AT LEAST ONE OR TWO MORE UNIFORMS, AND BY THAT TIME, WE'RE GONNA HAVE WEAR AND TEAR GOING ON IN THE NEXT ONE.
SO TO CATCH THAT UP A LITTLE BIT.
UM, BUT I AM ONLY PUTTING IN THERE, I I WOULD LIKE TO ISSUE ONE OR TWO MORE SETS OF UNIFORMS. UM, SO IF THEY ONLY GOT TWO UNIFORMS, THAT'S TWO SHIRTS.
IS THAT A WINTER SHIRT AND A SUMMER SHIRT? THEY GOT, THEY DID GET FOUR SHIRTS.
SO THEY HAVE TWO SUMMER SHIRTS AND TWO WINTER SHIRTS.
SO THEY RECEIVED THE UNIFORMS. UM, I THINK THEY WERE ORDERED, UM, MAYBE JULY, AUGUST, GOT 'EM IN AROUND SEPTEMBER.
WE'RE STILL IN YOUR SHORT SLEEVES NOW.
SO THEY DID, THEY DID, THEY GOT FOUR SHIRTS.
SO IN, IN WINTER YOU GOT TWO LONG SLEEVE, AND THEN YOU HAVE TWO PAIR OF PANTS.
AND ESPECIALLY FOR ANIMAL CONTROL, I THINK THAT IS, YOU NEED MORE, WELL, IF YOU HAVE THAN TWO UNIFORMS, IF YOU HAVE AN EVENT WHERE, UM, YOU'RE TUSSLING AROUND, THOSE PANTS COULD GET DAMAGED AND THEN YOU ONLY HAVE ONE EXTRA, YOU ONLY HAVE ONE PAIR OF PANTS THAT'S YES.
AND WE GO INTO A LOT OF PLACES THAT YOU DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO REWEAR THAT NIGHT AFTER WORKING A 12 HOUR SHIFT.
AND SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, LONGER THAN THAT, YOU DON'T WANNA COME HOME AND DO LAUNDRY EVERY DAY EITHER.
SO I, I THINK WE NEED TO DO RIGHT BY OUR, OUR OFFICERS AND PROVIDE 'EM WITH THE UNIFORMS THAT, UM, THAT THEY NEED.
WELL, AND I, I, I KNOW AS I LEARNED REALLY QUICKLY AT SCHOOL TO BRING AN EXTRA UNIFORM WHEN I WAS A SCHOOL NURSE, BECAUSE YEAH, GOING ALL DAY WITH, UH, VOMIT ON ME WAS NOT, WAS NOT PLEASANT.
SO I CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY MAY IT SHIFT AFTER CHANGE, YOU KNOW, UNIT UNIFORM.
AND I BELIEVE THERE IS A DEPUTY IN THE ROOM THAT HAD A RUN IN WITH A SKUNK OH WOW.
AND, UM, WENT INTO THE COURTROOM AND GOT SENT HOME.
UM, BUT YES, DIFFERENT THINGS DO HAPPEN.
WELL, THAT'S MUCH WORSE THAN VOMIT.
BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, IT, IT'S NOT CHEAP.
I DO NOT AGREE WITH BUYING SUPER CHEAP PANTS.
THAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST WHERE YOU GET, YOU RUB, ESPECIALLY IN THE THIGH AREA, THAT IS WOMEN AND MEN.
AND THEN YOU, YOU BREAK UP THE CROTCH, YOU, YOU SPLIT IT OPEN.
IF YOU GET A, IT IS A HIGHER DOLLAR PANT, BUT IT WILL LAST A LOT LONGER AND YOU END UP SAVING MONEY IN THE LONG RUN ON THAT.
CURRENTLY THERE IS A, UM, YOU'RE ALLOWED ONE PAIR OF BOOTS PER YEAR.
ANYTHING OVER A HUNDRED DOLLARS, THE DEPUTY WOULD HAVE TO REIMBURSE OR PAY FOR IT ON, ON THEIR OWN.
UM, I'VE LOOKED AT WARREN COUNTY AND FIRE AND RESCUE.
I HAVEN'T, MY STAFF HAS, UM, TO SEE IF THEIR BOOT PROGRAM WOULD WORK FOR US.
UM, WE'RE STILL, UM, INVESTIGATING THAT.
WHAT THAT IS IS A PROGRAM WHERE THEY WILL, UM, THEY HAVE A SET NUMBER OF BOOTS, DIFFERENT BOOTS, AND THEY, THE DEPUTY OR FIREFIGHTER WOULD BE ABLE TO PICK OUT ONE PAIR OF BOOTS EVERY TWO YEARS.
BUT THEY'RE A, A HIGHER PRICED BOOT.
IT'S STILL THE SAME AS BUYING ONE PAIR OF BOOT OR BUYING ONE PAIR OF BOOT EACH YEAR AT A HUNDRED DOLLARS.
SO THE PRICE IS THE SAME, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GONNA WORK OR NOT.
BUT EVEN THAT, IF YOU'RE DOING THAT FOR YOUR 81 PERSONNEL, THAT'S $8,100, UM, COMING OUT OF, OUT OF THIS BUDGET.
AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, YOU HAVE YOUR NEW HIRES, YOU HAVE YOUR NEW RECRUITS, YOU HAVE, UM, YOU HAVE TO OUTFIT THEM WITH THAT AS WELL.
SO, UM, THAT, THAT HAS INCREASED CONSIDERABLY.
IF YOU LOOK, I, I AM PRETTY SURE YOU, YOUR
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LINE ITEMS ARE BROKE OUT, BUT I BROKE IT OUT, UM, INTO YOUR, WHAT YOUR DUTY BOOTS WERE, UM, YOUR UNIFORMS, CLASS A AND B.UM, I WOULD LIKE TO GET TWO UNIFORMS EACH FOR OPERATIONS THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT.
CLASS A, UNIFORMS, SERGEANTS, AND ABOVE THE COURTS.
THE COURTS, UM, NEED TO HAVE A CLASS A UNIFORM THAT IS A PROFESSIONAL BUILDING.
UM, I, THAT IS NOT WHERE YOU SHOULD BE WEARING YOUR CLASS B UNIFORMS, PROFESSIONALISM.
AGAIN, THE HONOR OUR GUARD, I BELIEVE THEY WERE GIVEN, UM, USED UNIFORMS, UM, FROM I THINK LOUDOUN, FREDERICK COUNTY.
I THINK IT WAS FREDERICK COUNTY IN FACT.
BUT, UM, THERE, THOSE HONOR GUARD UNIFORMS, THEY NEED TO BE REPLACED.
AND THAT IS, UM, AT A COST OF $8,000 FOR THE HONOR GUARD.
BUT ONCE AGAIN, THAT IS PROFESSIONALISM.
THEY DO, THEY'RE IN THE PARADES, THEY'RE IN FUNERALS.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT HONOR GUARD, UM, PARTICIPATES IN.
AND THEN YOUR JOB SHIRTS AND COATS IS, IS ANOTHER THING THAT COMES OUT OF THAT.
SO WITH ALL OF THAT BEING SAID, UM, I AM ASKING FOR, WHICH I DON'T THINK IS, PROBABLY WON'T COVER ALL OF THAT, BUT I AM ASKING FOR $42,000 ON THAT, THAT LINE ITEM.
THEN YOU HAVE YOUR DUTY GEAR WHERE YOUR BELT, HOLSTERS, MAG POUCHES, CUFF POUCHES, BATONS, HOLSTERS, ALL OF THAT.
I'M ASKING FOR $5,000 IN THAT.
AND THAT IS MORE GEARED TOWARDS YOUR NEW, YOUR NEW HIRES ON THAT ASPECT.
SO, UM, BOOKS AND SUBSCRIPTIONS, LOOKING THROUGH THAT, I FELT THAT WE COULD DECREASE THAT.
UM, I HAVE TALKED TO TODD ABOUT HELPING OUT WITH THAT.
AND SO WHEN IT IS LARGER SO THAT HE'S GONNA DO INVENTORY AND STUFF, I DECREASED THAT BY 40%.
UM, OTHER OPERATING SUPPLIES, I DECREASED THAT BY 30%.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO NAIL DOWN WHAT WE WERE PURCHASING WITH THAT MONEY.
AND I JUST, UM, I COULDN'T JUSTIFY WHAT WAS BEING BUDGETED PRIOR.
UM, FOR THAT I DID ADD IN THAT LINE ITEM, THE RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION ASPECT, WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT IN DOING, UM, MORE WITH THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS THE APPROPRIATE PLACE TO PUT ALL OF IT, BUT, UM, WE DO NEED TO GET YOUR BROCHURES AND YOUR, YOUR PACKS.
THINGS THAT WE CAN BE MAILING OUT, THINGS THAT WE CAN BE HANDING OUT, UM, NOT JUST OUR BUSINESS CARDS, BUT WHETHER IT BE DECALS OR SIGN BOARDS OR WHATEVER.
BUT WE NEED TO GET THE WORD OUT THAT, UM, WARREN COUNTY IS, IS HIRING AND WE'RE A GOOD PLACE TO WORK AND IT'S SOMEPLACE THAT SOMEONE WANTS TO COME TO.
WE HAVE 14 POSITIONS, UM, THAT WE NEED FILLED.
WE NEED TO REALLY FOCUS ON THAT, UM, CANINE EXPENSE.
AM I AT CANINE EXPENSES? YES, I AM.
UM, IT IS PROJECTED TO GO OVER BUDGET IN FISCAL YEAR 24.
THIS IS THE, UM, INCREASE IN DOG FOOD AND TRAINING AIDS.
SO THERE'S APPROXIMATELY $150.
THIS IS WHAT WAS SMALL TOOLS BEFORE.
SO IT CHANGED THE LINE ITEMS. I THINK IT'S CALLED CANINE EXPENSE NOW.
SO THAT IS, UM, WE HAVE FIVE CANINES.
IT'S APPROXIMATELY $150 A MONTH TO FEED THE DOG.
SO IT'S ABOUT $75 EVERY, EVERY TWO WEEKS FOR THE BIG BAG OF FOOD.
UH, THE CANINES DO, UM, GO TO F HERE AND DO A LOT OF TRAINING, BUT THEY CAN ALSO DO IT WHILE ON SHIFT OR ON THEIR OFF DAYS.
WE HAVE THREE CANINES, UM, THAT ARE NARCOTICS DOGS.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE EQUIPMENT, THE MUZZLES LEADS, LEASHES, BITE TOYS, REPLACEMENT, YOU KNOW, FOR WEAR AND TEAR AND EVERYTHING THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT.
UM, THE SECOND PART, UM, SUBCATEGORY IS A KENNEL REPLACEMENT.
SO WE GOT THREE PRICES, UH, FOR A KENNEL REPLACEMENT.
THAT IS FOR, UM, ONE OF OUR CANINES WHO, HIS KENNEL HAS BEEN MOVED THREE TIMES WITH TWO DIFFERENT OFFICERS AND TWO DIFFERENT CANINES.
UH, IT'S WORE OUT, IT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.
UM, SO WE HAVE ONE KENNEL THAT NEEDS TO BE, UM, REPLACED.
UM, SO THEREFORE THERE IS A, A, A LITTLE BIT OF AN INCREASE IN THAT LINE ITEM FOR THAT.
SO IT'S FUNNY THAT YOU SAID THAT IT WAS 150 A MONTH.
'CAUSE I FIGURED IT WAS A, YOU KNOW, FOR THE FOOD BECAUSE I FIGURED IT WAS 160 A MONTH.
UM, THE DIFFERENT DOGS HAVE DIFFERENT FOOD.
SO SOME IS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE 150 AND SOME IS LESS EXPENSIVE.
SO THE AVERAGE OF THAT, I, I JUST PUT OUT 150 ON THAT.
I KNOW WHAT WE, WE SPEND ON OUR DOG AND, AND I FIGURED THAT WE DO
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AND THE TREATS, THOSE ARE NOT CHEAP EITHER.UM, THE NEXT THING IS THE MISCELLANEOUS SOFTWARE THAT DID GO DOWN 10%, UM, ON, ON THAT, THAT AREA.
BUT ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WAS IN THIS LINE ITEM WAS THE GEO TABS THAT WE MOVED TO ANOTHER LINE ITEM.
SO I DIDN'T WANT THAT TO BE DECEPTIVE EITHER.
OH, AND WE ALSO MOVED INTO THAT LINE ITEM.
UM, THE MOBILE MANAGEMENT, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY IT'S A-J-A-M-F MOBILE MANAGEMENT.
UM, SO WE ADDED THAT TO THIS LINE ITEM FROM ANOTHER LINE ITEM.
SO IT IS NOT AN ADDITIONAL SOFTWARE, UM, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S JUST SO WE CAN JUST HAVE IT IN ONE AREA FOR WHEN WE'RE INVOICED.
UM, FURNITURE AND EQUIPMENT DIDN'T CHANGE THE MILEAGE.
UM, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION AROUND THE AGENCY ABOUT WHERE WE'RE DOING FIREARMS QUALIFICATIONS.
UH, LAST FALL THEY WENT TO WEST VIRGINIA, WHICH IS ABOUT AN HOUR AWAY.
UM, AND THERE WERE SOME, UH, STAFF THAT DROVE THEIR OWN VEHICLE AND THEY'RE ALLOWED TO TURN IN THEIR MILEAGE FOR THAT.
UH, WE DID NOT HAVE ANYTHING BUDGETED FOR THAT.
SO WE PUT A NOMINAL BUDGET AMOUNT IN THAT, FOR THESE, THESE CASES ON THAT.
UM, THE MEALS, UH, THAT IS FOR, UM, MEETINGS, PROMOTIONAL PROCESSES WHEN YOU PULL PEOPLE FROM OTHER AGENCIES, UM, FOR ANY PROMOTION PROCESSES AND STUFF THAT YOU GET.
WE HAVE THE LODGING CONVENTION AND EDUCATION.
NOW THE CONVENTION AND EDUCATION ASPECT OF IT, I DID, UM, MAKE SUBCATEGORIES FOR THAT BECAUSE IT'S REALLY HARD.
IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A REALLY BIG POT OF MONEY.
AND SO IT'S LIKE, LET'S GO TO ALL THE TRAINING.
BUT YOU HAVE, I, TO ME, I THINK YOU HAVE TO HONE IT DOWN TO WHAT, UM, STAFF IS GOING TO, WHAT YOUR INVESTIGATIONS CREW IS GONNA HAVE A HIGHER DOLLAR IN, UM, TRAINING.
THEY'RE GONNA GO TO YOUR HOMICIDE SCHOOL, YOUR CHILD SEXUAL ASSAULT SCHOOLS, ROBBERIES, UM, IA SCHOOL, THOSE WEEK LONG CLASSES THAT AREN'T GOING TO BE TAUGHT AT THE, THE REGIONAL ACADEMY.
UM, SO I PUT A HIGHER DOLLAR VALUE FOR INVESTIGATIONS AT $2,500 PER PERSON.
UM, JUST YOUR FBI LEADER CLASSES, WHICH ARE ARE A LEADERSHIP CLASS ARE $800 PLUS FIVE DAYS IN A HOTEL, PLUS YOUR PER DIEM FOR, FOR MEALS IS, IS GONNA REACH THAT.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT HIGHER.
WE NEED TO TRAIN OUR, OUR PEOPLE, BUT I FEEL THAT WE NEED TO START SOMEWHERE IN THIS, UM, THE SWORN ADMIN STAFF.
I THINK YOU NEED TO, UM, A BIG PUSH THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IS SUCCESSION PLANNING.
I DID ATTEND THE, UM, SPI ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICERS COURSE.
YOU LEARN HOW TO BE A HIGHER LEVEL SUPERVISOR AND MANAGER AND DO THE DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE BUDGETING.
UM, I HAD ALL OF THE COMMAND STAFF PARTAKE IN THIS BUDGETING PROCESS.
WE ALL SAT AROUND THE TABLE AND I, I FEEL LIKE THEY ENJOYED IT AND LEARNED A LOT.
UM, BUT THEY HADN'T BEEN THROUGH THAT, THAT PROCESS BEFORE.
SO, BUT WE HAVE TO KEEP ON DOING THAT BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE LEADERS THAT ARE GONNA COME AFTER, AFTER US.
SO, UH, I I FEEL THAT IS SUPER IMPORTANT.
YOUR COURT SERVICES, THEY MIGHT NOT NEED, UM, AS HIGH OF A A PER DEPUTY, UM, TRAINING.
SO I DECREASE THAT AMOUNT TO, UM, A THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR THE YEAR FOR THEM.
AND BASICALLY THAT IS ONE LEADERSHIP CLASS AND THAT IS, THAT'S OUT AND THAT'S AT THE ACADEMY.
UM, I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW HOW I BROKE THAT OUT SO THAT YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HOW, HOW FAST THAT COULD GO.
UH, THE DUES AND MEMBERSHIPS, THAT IS WHERE THE SKYLINE REGIONAL CRIMINAL JUSTICE ACADEMY DUES ARE.
THERE WAS A, I BELIEVE A 4% INCREASE IN THAT.
UM, AND THAT IS 42,000 A YEAR THAT WE SEND TO THEM.
THAT, WAS THAT NOT PREVIOUS ANY? WAS THAT NOT THERE BEFORE? IT WAS IN, IS THIS SHOWING UP AS A, AS LIKE A NEW NUMBER? YOU, YOU'RE, I KNOW IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A 700% INCREASE THERE.
UM, BUT NO, IT CAME OUT OF THE CONVENTION EDUCATION.
SO WHAT WAS HAPPENING, AND THIS IS WHAT I COULDN'T WRAP MY HEAD AROUND, IS IF YOU TAKE THAT 42,000 OUT OF THAT 90,000, YOU'RE LEFT WITH ROUGHLY AND 42,000 I THINK IS AN INCREASE.
BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE LEFT WITH $45,000 TO TRAIN 81 SWORN INDIVIDUALS PLUS YOUR CIVILIAN STAFF.
THAT IS NOT, THAT IS NOT ENOUGH.
SO THE CONVENTIONAL EDUCATION LOOKS KIND OF LEVEL, BUT EXTREMELY LEVEL.
BUT THAT'S BECAUSE IT WAS ACTUALLY YOU, YOU EXPANDED TRAINING AND THEN
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YOU MOVED THE SKYLINE THING TO ANOTHER LINE ITEM.FOR THE CHART OF ACCOUNTS, IT, IT'S THE MEMBERSHIP TO THE SKYLINE REGIONAL.
BUT IT'S ALL THE, IT'S KIND OF THE, THE SAME IS THE LODGING LINE ITEM RELATED TO THE CONVENTION AND EDUCATION.
WHERE ARE WE AT? I'M SORRY? IS IT OR LODGING IS UNDER OH, JUST ONE.
IT'S ONE UP FROM CONVENTION AND EDUCATION.
THAT IS FOR, THAT IS NOT FOR OUR, OUR STAFF.
THAT IS WHEN YOU BRING IN, UM, PEOPLE, WHETHER IT BE THE ACCREDITATION TRAINING, THE LODGING HAS COME OR YOU BRING IN, UM, TRAINERS FOR LIKE THE NTOA.
THAT'S WHAT I HAVE HERE AS, AS WELL.
ALRIGHT, SO THE LODGING AND MEALS AND EVERYTHING'S BUILT INTO THE OTHER YES.
SO JUST BEFORE I MOVE ON, I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND THIS.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE LINE ITEM THAT THIS 40 2K CAME OUTTA CONVENTION AND EDUCATION, I'M SORRY, I'M LOOKING AT MY PHONE BECAUSE I'M OUTTA BATTERY HERE.
SO IT CAME OUT OF THAT AND THEN, BUT YOUR BUDGET INCREASED FOR THAT LIE ITEM AND I WOULD'VE THINK IT WOULD'VE DECREASED 40 40, UH, THE 40 2K RATHER KEEPING IT AT THE 93.
NO, I INCREASED IT BECAUSE $45,000 FOR 81 PERSONNEL PLUS EIGHT CIVILIAN STAFF, 88 PEOPLE IS OH NO, I LY LOW.
SO I INCREASED THE 55 0 5 CONVENTION AND TRAINING AND I BROKE IT OUT.
SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT STAFF AND HOW MANY THIS WOULD, WOULD BE.
I I, I AM NOT ARGUING, YOU KNOW, I, I, BUT THAT'S WHY THE INCREASE I GET IT.
IT'S JUST THAT AGAIN, I'M A BUDGET PERSON.
AND I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS.
SO THE FISCAL YEAR 25 BUDGET IS 93 K.
AND I THOUGHT I HEARD, AND MAYBE, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IF I HEARD INCORRECTLY.
BUT I THOUGHT I HEARD THAT YOU SAID THAT YOU REMOVED THE 40 2K FOR THE SKYLINE REGIONAL AND GAVE IT ITS OWN LINE ITEM.
SO WHY I, SO WHY DIDN'T THE 93 K GET REDUCED? BECAUSE I ADDED TO THE TRAINING BUDGET UP TO 93,000.
SO THERE WASN'T REALLY A RED A REDUCTION.
SO I, I MEAN IF INCREASED IN ME BUDGETING THE 40, IS IT 42,000? 42,000 PLUS THE 90,000 IS WHAT IT WOULD BE? IT'S BROKEN OUT INTO TWO.
UM, AND THEN BROKE IT OUT SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND LIKE 28 PATROL DEPUTIES AT A THOUSAND DOLLARS A PIECE.
THAT'S WHERE YOU GET THE $28,000 FOR PATROL NOT ARGUING THE NUMBERS.
NOT ARGUING ABOUT YOUR BASIS INVESTMENT.
JUST, IT'S JUST A ANALYTICAL THING ON MY PART.
AND THEN THE, UM, SECOND PART OF THAT IS THE VIRGINIA SHERIFF'S ASSOCIATION, UM, DUES IS $1,800 AND THAT IS PART OF THE DUES AND MEMBERSHIPS TO MAKE IT THE 43 8.
SO, BUT IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE TRAINING? WELL, JUST ON THAT, I THINK IT, YEAH, PROBABLY SOME OF THESE OTHER, YOU, UH, IT WAS GREAT HAVING ALL THAT TRAINING BROKEN OUT.
THE, UM, SKYLINE THING, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS CAME FROM, BUT, BUT SKYLINE IS BROKEN OUT AS AN INDIVIDUAL LINE ITEM HERE, AND THE SHERIFF'S ASSOCIATION IS AN INDIVIDUAL LINE ITEM IN CLEAR GOV, BUT OVER HERE IT'S NOT.
I, IT'S ALL, MY ONLY COMMENT GONNA BE, OH, YOU DON'T HAVE IT? NO, IT'S GOOD.
THE, OH, IT'S JUST A SUBCATEGORY OF THE DUES AND MEMBERSHIPS.
MAYBE IT JUST DIDN'T MAKE THE SHEET.
FOR THIS PRINTOUT IT DIDN'T, BUT IT'S BROKEN OUT HERE, WHICH IS ALL I WANTED TO SEE.
I TRIED TO BREAK OUT AS MUCH AS I COULD.
AND ARE YOU USING CLEAR GOV YET? YES.
WELL, IT'S BROKEN OUT IN CLEAR GOV.
AND THEN I ADDED ALSO SOME OF MY NOTES HERE.
I PUT IN CLEAR GOV AS WELL, SO THAT YOU CAN GO BACK.
SO THERE'S LITTLE NOTE, THE LITTLE THING TO THE FAR RIGHT.
AND YOU CAN GO IN THERE AND, AND SEE SOME NOTES ON.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, THIS CRIMINAL JUST HAS A NOTE.
MY CURSOR ON THE SCREEN THERE.
SO I TRIED TO PUT AS MANY NOTES IN THERE AS I COULD.
YOU CAN GO BACK AND, AND REVIEW THAT.
I TRY TO UTILIZE IT AS BEST I COULD.
UM, EXTRADITION OF PRISONERS, I DECREASE THAT COMPLETELY.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS REIMBURSABLE BY THE VIRGINIA COMMONWEALTH'S, UM, OFFICE.
UM, SO THIS IS NOT MONEY THAT I FEEL THAT SHOULD BE BUDGETED, UH, BECAUSE IT IS REIMBURSABLE.
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NEGATIVE IN THAT LINE ITEM, IT JUST SHOWS US THAT WE NEED TO BE ASKING THE VIRGINIA COMMONWEALTH FOR MONEY TO REIMBURSE THAT LINE ITEM.IT IS NOT ANYTHING THAT WE, WE SHOULD BE BUDGETING AND THAT COUNTY PEOPLE SHOULD BE PAYING FOR.
SO THEN THE, THE HOURS THAT ARE BEING CHARGED WILL BE COMING OUT OF THE, UH, THE COURT RATHER THAN THIS BUDGET.
IT'LL STILL COME OUT OF WHERE IT'S COMING OUT, BUT WE'RE NOT BUDGETING FOR, BECAUSE WE DUNNO THE EXPENSE.
BUT WE INCUR THE EXPENSE AND WE REQUEST A REIMBURSEMENT.
WE'RE GONNA NEED TO APPROPRIATE THE ADDITIONAL FUNDS TO THIS EXPENDITURE, BUT ONLY AS IT HAPPENS AND NOT BEFORE IT HAPPENS.
I, I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A PAPER TRAIL FOR AUDITS,
SO THE PAPER TRAIL WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATION OF THE REVENUE THAT COMES IN.
BUT IT HAS TO BE EXPENSED FIRST BE REIMBURSED.
AND THEN WHEN IT'S EXPENSED, THEN THE EXPENDITURES WILL BE ABSORBED FROM THAT.
BUT IT, IT DOES NOT COST TAXPAYERS ANY MONEY.
SO THIS IS A PAPER TRAIL, SO I, I MADE THAT ZERO, UM, WHICH WAS RIGHT BEFORE THAT.
UM, SO THE, THE LEASE AND ON THE RENTING EQUIPMENT, UM, LOOKING AT THAT, UM, PAST YEAR'S, I DECREASED THAT BY A THIRD.
THE MISCELLANEOUS GRANTS, IT IS THE SAME THING AS I, THAT IS, I ZEROED THAT LINE ITEM.
THAT IS NOT AN EXPENSE THAT I, I BELIEVE SHOULD BE BUDGETED.
SO IF WE APPLY FOR A GRANT AND IT'S $147,000, WE HAVE TO DO MUCH OF THE SAME PROCESS THAT ALYSSA SAID.
IF I SEE A NEGATIVE IN THERE, I KNOW THAT WE NEED TO ASK FOR REIMBURSEMENT FOR THIS GRANT.
WE NEED TO DO THE THINGS THAT, THAT WE DO.
BUT IT DOESN'T COST TAXPAYERS ANY MONEY UNLESS IT IS A MATCH GRANT.
BUT THERE IS NO WAY TO DETERMINE IN A YEAR'S TIME HOW MANY GRANTS WE'RE GONNA GET AND WHAT THAT MATCH NUMBER IS.
PLUS WE HAVE TO GET BOARD APPROVAL FOR ANY KIND OF MATCH GRANTS THAT WE DO.
SO, UM, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IS A BUDGETED LINE ITEM THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE IN HERE.
SO WE ZEROED THAT OUT AS WELL.
UM, THE HEPATITIS AND VACCINES THAT MOVED UP INTO THE HEALTH SERVICES, WE DON'T HAVE THAT.
UM, THE, LET'S SEE WHAT WE GOT.
I DON'T HAVE YOUR LITTLE SHEET HERE.
THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE YOU REALLY HAVE TO LOOK AT THE EQUIPMENT THAT YOU HAVE AND MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE HAVE WHAT WE NEED AT THE TIME.
SO I WAS UNAWARE THAT WE, THAT THE COUNTY HAD, UM, STOP STICKS BECAUSE I, I AM JUST USED TO, YOU KNOW, CALLING THE TOWN AND WE HAVE STOP STICKS.
WE DO HAVE FOUR SETS OF, UM, I THINK IT'S FOUR SETS OF STOP STICKS, BUT THEY'RE NOT STOP STICKS.
SO HALF OF 'EM ARE STOP STICKS AND HALF OF 'EM ARE ANOTHER BRAND.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT STOP STICKS ARE? SO, SO STOP STICKS.
LIKE WHEN YOU'RE IN LIKE A, A HIGH SPEED PURSUIT AND THEY'RE COMING INTO TOWN, UM, WE GET 'EM FROM FUCKY OR FREDERICK, YOU KNOW, YOU SET UP STOP STICKS, SO YOU HAVE TO PULL 'EM OUT OF YOUR VEHICLE IN A CERTAIN WAY AND PULL 'EM OUT OF THE, UM, THE BAG IN A CERTAIN WAY.
BUT THEY'RE BASICALLY THREE SECTIONS, BUT THERE'S DIFFERENT TYPES.
UM, AND YOU THROW THEM, YOU CAN'T JUST THROW THEM OVERHAND, YOU HAVE TO THROW 'EM IN A CERTAIN WAY AND THEY'LL GO ACROSS THE ROADWAY.
AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE TO HAVE TRAINING WHERE YOU PULL THE STRING AND YOU TAKE COVER.
'CAUSE YOU CERTAINLY DON'T WANT THERE TO BE AN ACCIDENT.
AND THEN YOU HAVE A A, AN OFFICER THAT IS IN, CAUGHT IN THE CROSSFIRES THERE IN IN THAT.
SO GOING THROUGH THE TRAINING MATRIX, STOP STICKS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT YOU NEED TO PUT ON YOUR TRAINING MATRIX AND TRAIN EVERY SINGLE YEAR SO THAT YOU HAVE THOSE STOP STICKS IN YOUR HAND SO YOU KNOW HOW TO THROW THEM.
SO WHEN WE WERE DOING AN INVENTORY OF THAT, WE HAVE TWO SEPARATE TYPES OF STOP STICKS.
STOP STICKS IS A COMPANY NAME, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OTHER COMPANY NAME IS, BUT IT IS MORE OF A SCISSOR, A SCISSOR DEPLOYMENT I GUESS.
AND YOU THROW THAT IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
UM, I DO REQUEST THAT WE BUY FOUR SETS OF STOP STICKS.
SO WE CAN HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL STOP STICK ON EACH OF THE SHIFTS JUST IN CASE THAT OTHER UH, UM, DEPUTY IS NOT ON SHIFT AT THAT TIME.
WE'LL HAVE A SECOND VEHICLE THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE ABLE TO DEPLOY THOSE.
UM, I ALSO ASK FOR TRAINING STOP STICKS.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE THOSE IN YOUR HANDS.
YOU CAN'T DO THAT BY P POWERPOINT AND LEARN HOW TO SHOOT A FIREARM.
IT'S THE SAME THING WITH DEPLOYING THESE, THESE STOP STICKS.
SO I'M ASKING FOR TWO TRAINING SETS ON THAT.
UM, THEY ARE $600 A PIECE, BUT YOU CAN USE THEM OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
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WOULD GET A, A LONG ROADWAY, UM, MAYBE THE AIRPORT, UM, IF THEY ARE SO KIND.AND WE WOULD CONTINUOUSLY HAVE PEOPLE THROW THEM OUT AT THE RIGHT TIME WHEN A SPEEDING VEHICLE IS GOING BY AND THEN BE ABLE TO PULL THOSE TAPE COVER AND DO THAT.
AND WE WILL DO THAT LIVE ACTION HERE.
SO I AM ASKING FOR TWO TRAINING SETS AS WELL AS FOUR SETS OF TRAINING STOPS OR STOP STICKS FOR OUR AGENCY.
THEY WERE BOUGHT CHEAP ON AMAZON.
NOT EVERYTHING IN UM, CHEAP IS NOT ALWAYS BETTER.
UH, WE NEED TO GET FLASHLIGHTS THAT, UM, YOU CAN RUN IN, YOU CAN BANG ON DOORS, YOU CAN USE IN THE DARK MOUNTAINTOP OF LINDEN, UM, THAT IS GONNA HAVE THE LUMEN AND EVERYTHING ELSE TO THAT.
THOSE NOW NEED TO BE, UM, REPLACED, UM, RABBIT TOOLS.
THAT IS, UH, ANOTHER THING THAT WE SHOULD HAVE ONE ON EACH SHIFT FOR THOSE INSTANCES WHERE WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR WARREN COUNTY FIRE AND RESCUE TO SHOW UP WITH OUR TOOLS TO BREAK OPEN, UM, DOORS OR BARRICADE SUBJECTS.
UM, WE CAN BREACH THOSE AND STILL KEEP FIRE AND RESCUE OUTTA HARM'S WAY.
UM, AND WE CAN HAVE A RAPID ENTRY RABBIT TOOLS.
IT'S WHERE YOU CAN JIMMY, LIKE IF, IF THOSE DOORS ARE ARE LOCKED AND THEY'RE THE STEEL DOORS OR THEY HAVE THE, UM, DEADBOLT ON, YOU CAN TAKE THESE AND, AND SNAP UP OF THOSE DOORS, UM, TO, TO GET IN.
UM, THEY PATROL CURRENTLY DOES NOT HAVE THOSE.
BUT IT IS, IT IS A TOOL THAT THAT SHOULD BE ON EACH OF THOSE PATROL SHIFTS.
UM, SO THERE IS JUST A, UM, $5,000 INCREASE FOR ALL OF THAT IN, IN THIS, THIS SECTION.
SO THAT IS WARREN COUNTY'S BUDGET AND I STILL HAVE COMMUNICATIONS.
YOU MEAN NINE 11, YOU STILL HAVE NINE 11? IS THAT THE SECOND ONE SHE'S DOING? YES.
WELL, BEFORE WE MOVE ON, I JUST WANNA SUM THIS ALL UP.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE THE REQUEST FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS 610 K, WHICH IS BASED ON THE AMENDED AMOUNT? NOT, NOT THE ACTUAL, YOU KNOW, THE, IT'S BASED ON THE AMENDED BUDGET, NOT THE APPROVED BUDGET FOR LAST YEAR.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE REQUEST FOR THAT 5 44.
I MUST HAVE DID SOMETHING WRONG HERE.
SO ANYWAY, SO 5 44 THEN, UM, NOW THIS IS WHY I WAS BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE AMEND AMENDED BUDGET BECAUSE IF, IF WE, UM, IF THE DELTA OF THIS YEAR'S REVENUE OF NOT REVENUE OF THE, THE BUDGET THAT WAS GIVEN TO US IS BASED ON A GRANT.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO KNOW HOW, HOW MUCH ABOUT THE GRANTS BECAUSE, UM, AND I HAVEN'T SEEN THE REVENUE FORECAST EITHER.
YOU, MAYBE YOU HAVE PUT THE, UM, PROJECTED GRANTS IN IT TO OFFSET IT.
SO THEN, UM, MY, UM, IT'S NOT REALLY MUCH A QUESTION 'CAUSE IT'S SELF FORECAST, YOU KNOW, PROJECTED AND STUFF.
BUT SOMETHING THAT I WOULD, YOU KNOW, WOULD LIKE TO, TO WATCH IS IF WE DIDN'T GET THE GRANTS THAT WE GOT THIS YEAR, YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR OR THIS YEAR, RIGHT, BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NEXT YEAR, THEN THAT DELTA WOULD INCREASE WITH THE, THE ASK.
BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT THE, UM, SALARY INCREASES THAT WERE DONE.
SO YOU GET THE 5%, 2% AND THAT IS FROM ACTUAL TO AMENDED.
AND THAT PLAYS INTO TOO, I KNOW, I KNOW.
I, IT'S, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE BOTTOM LINE.
I JUST LIKE, I ALWAYS SUM UP AT THE END, YOU KNOW, SO, SO ANYWAYS, UM, SO THAT'S ALL I JUST HAD TO SAY.
IT IS JUST THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BUDGET'S BEING REQUESTED IS, UM, EIGHT, 8% MORE THAN, ACTUALLY WE WON'T EVEN TALK ABOUT HOW MUCH INCREASED WITH THE ACTUALLY ADOPTED.
WE'LL JUST STICK TO THE AMENDED, BUT THERE'S NO, YOU KNOW, WE'LL LOOK AT THAT AS PROJECTION.
SO, SO, BUT CORRECT, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ON THIS.
DALEY, THE, UH, WHEN YOU TOOK A LOOK AT THE, YOU, YOU SAID THAT YOU TOOK OUT THOSE, THOSE THE FUNDING FOR THE FOUR POSITIONS LAST YEAR AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR THE, FOR THE, I GUESS THE THAT
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IS THAT IS CORRECT SIR.SO THEN WHEN YOU PUT THE FUNDING BACK IN, THEN IT INCREASES IT BACK.
WELL THAT, THAT INCREASES IT BACK.
BUT I, I TOOK A LOOK AT IT AND, AND SO THE, THE ACTUAL INCREASE THE BUDGET IS, UH, IS LESS THAN, IT'S ABOUT $250,000.
WHICH IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR A, FOR A NEW SHERIFF AND A NEW DEPARTMENT THAT'S LESS THAN A, UH, THAT'S LESS THAN A 4%.
AND THEN WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE FACT THAT, WELL, WE'VE ALSO GOT INFLATION THAT YOU HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT A WHOLE BIG INCREASE.
BUT THAT'S IS WHAT IS WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.
BUT THAT IS, THAT'S MAKING THE ASSUMPTION THAT THE GRANTS THAT WE GOT THIS YEAR WOULD COVER THE, THE, THE, THE DIFFERENCE.
AND, AND I'M NOT, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T DO IT AND THIS AND THAT, IT, I'M JUST DOING ANALYSIS OF WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE SAYING.
SO, BUT WE DON'T, WE DON'T LOOK AT POSSIBILITIES OF GRANTS WHEN WE'RE BUDGETING BECAUSE IF YOU DO THAT, YOU'RE ALWAYS GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, THE POSSIBILITY OF OVERRUNNING YOUR BUDGET BECAUSE GRANTS ARE AN IFFY THING.
I MEAN, LOOK AT FIRE AND RESCUE.
BUT IF WE HAD BUDGETED LIKE WE, THEN WE WOULD, WE WOULD BE OVERRUNNING THE BUDGET.
BUT THEN THAT LEADS ME TO SAY THEN, THEN WHY ARE WE USING THE AMENDED, UM, BUDGET AND NOT THE ADOPTED BUDGET? 'CAUSE THE AMENDED BUDGET HAS THE GRANTS THAT WE HAVE.
AND WE'RE BASING OUR NEXT BUDGET ON THAT, THAT REVENUE, UM, THAT BUDGET.
NO, WE, NO, THEY SAID WE DON'T DO THAT.
GRANTS ARE MOSTLY REIMBURSABLE GRANTS.
THEY ARE REIMBURSABLE, SO, OKAY, VERY GOOD.
THE OTHER THING THE BOARD NEEDS TO REMEMBER IS THAT LAST YEAR, AND IN PRIOR YEARS, THE LAST THREE, FOUR YEARS, YOU HAVE BUDGETED YOUR SALARY INCREASE AS A POOL THAT IS IN ONE FUND.
AND THEN WHEN THE BOARD AWARDS, UH, IN THE CASE WE BUDGETED THE 5% AND THEN THE STATE CAME BACK AND THEY ADDED THE OTHER TWO.
AND WHEN WE BUDGETED THE FIVE, IT WAS ONE LUMP ITEM AT THE END OF YOUR BUDGET.
IT WAS NOT IN ANY OF THESE DEPARTMENT BUDGETS.
AND SO THAT HAS TO BE TRANSFERRED EACH YEAR IN THE AMENDED BUDGET AS THEY USE IT.
IF THEY DON'T NEED IT ALL, WE DON'T TRANSFER IT THERE.
IT ALL STAYS IN THAT FUND AS A RESERVE.
UH, OTHERWISE IF THE, IF IT'S IN THE BUDGET, THE DEPARTMENT WANTS TO SPEND IT.
NO, THAT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE VACANCIES, WHY WOULD YOU GIVE THE MONEY IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE PERSON FILLING THAT VACANCY? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO THAT YEAH, THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
BUT THAT CHANGES THE COMPARISON, WHAT YOU'RE THINKING THERE.
ALRIGHT, ARE WE READY FOR COMMUNICATIONS? THIS IS A MUCH SMALLER BUDGET THAN THE LAST ONE.
UM, ONCE AGAIN, I DID THE, UM, POSITIONS THE SAME WAY.
WE HAVE 14 POSITIONS IN COMMUNICATIONS.
WE HAVE ONE DIRECTOR AND THEN 13, UM, COMMUNICATIONS OFFICERS IN THERE.
UM, THE OVERTIME, IF YOU LOOK AT THE OVERTIME, I CANNOT FIND THIS SHEET THAT YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING AT.
AND YOU HAVE THE OVERTIME ON HERE? CORRECT? SHOULD BE IN LINE TOO.
I'M JUST GONNA GO OFF OF MINE.
DO YOU SEE THE OVERTIME? OKAY.
I SEE IT, IT IS SHOWING THIS YEAR, UM, THAT WE'RE AT 64,000, ALMOST 64,100.
UM, AND WE WERE ONLY BUDGETED FOR 50,000.
UM, THAT IS GOING TO, TO BE EVEN HIGHER UNTIL WE CAN GET SOME OF THESE, UM, DISPATCHERS HIRED.
THE OTHER ASPECT OF THAT, UM, WHICH ACTUALLY MIGHT GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE HAD FIVE
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DISPATCHERS GO TO THE DISPATCH SCHOOL IN DECEMBER.UM, THEY'RE STILL ON FTO, SO THEY CANNOT BE ON THE CONSOLE ON THEIR OWN.
UH, SO HOPEFULLY THEM GETTING OFF THEIR FTO FOR COMMUNICATIONS, THAT WILL HELP OUT A LITTLE BIT.
I DO HAVE TWO PART-TIME DISPATCHERS CURRENTLY, UM, ASSISTING IN, IN THE NUMBER OF HOURS THAT THEY'RE WORKING.
THEY'VE BEEN WORKING FIVE 12 HOUR DAYS IN A ROW WITH TWO OFF AND THEN WORKING FIVE 12 HOUR DAYS IN A, IN A, IN A ROW.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY FOCUSING AS A COUNTY ON MENTAL HEALTH AND I JUST SUSTAINING THAT.
THOSE LEVELS I THINK WILL BE DETRIMENTAL TO THIS PARTICULAR, UM, DIVISION.
UM, AND WE, WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, TO, TO HELP WITH THIS.
SO, UM, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT JUST THAT WE'RE GONNA GO OVER BUDGET.
WE'LL HAVE TO FIND OUT, FIND MONEY FOR THAT TO COVER THAT.
UM, ON THIS, NOT A LOT HAS CHANGED, UM, IN THIS BUDGET.
THE, UM, EQUIPMENT REPAIRS, UM, THERE WAS WARRANTIES THAT HAVE EXPIRED ON NEW EQUIPMENT.
WE'LL HAVE TO, UM, PAY FOR SOME REPAIRS ON THAT ASPECT.
UM, WE JUST INCREASED THAT BY, BY $500 TO COVER THAT.
THE MAINTENANCE SERVICE CONTRACTS IT THAT WENT DOWN.
UM, EVEN THOUGH THERE WAS A FEW ITEMS THAT INCREASED DURING THAT, WHAT HAPPENED WAS THE TOWER RENTAL, UH, THAT WAS REMOVED TO AN ASSET REPLACEMENT FUND.
SO IT'S KIND OF A WASH IN BETWEEN THE INCREASES.
UH, IN SOME OF THESE SUBCATEGORIES, THERE WAS A 5% INCREASE IN SOUTHERN SOFTWARE, WHICH IS THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.
UH, THERE WAS A INCREASE OF $20 PER USER FOR THE, UM, VISA CONNECTION THAT WE HAVE.
THERE WAS ALSO, UM, WE HAVE A NEW AGREEMENT FOR THE A DS SERVICE CONTRACT, UH, WHICH IS A FIVE YEAR SERVICE AGREEMENT, AND THAT'S $5,400.
SO WITH ONE THING BEING MOVED OUT, I STILL FEEL THAT WE'RE DOING PRETTY GOOD IN THAT ASPECT.
I DON'T LIKE SEEING THAT NUMBER FOR MAINTENANCE SERVICE CONTRACTS, BUT THAT'S THE TECHNOLOGY THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE THE, THE DIVISION RUN THE ADDRESS MAINTENANCE.
UM, THAT WAS AN UNEXPECTED INCREASE.
THIS WAS A STATE MANDATE THAT WE UPGRADE TO THIS, THIS SYSTEM.
WE HAVE, UM, TWO BILLS THAT COME OUT OF THIS ONE TO AT AND T AND ONE TO BRIGHT SPEED.
AND IT'S APPROXIMATELY, UH, $10,000 A MONTH FOR THAT.
AND THE STATE DID GIVE A, I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CALL IT A, A GRANT OR A REIMBURSEMENT, UM, THEY GAVE FUNDING FOR TWO YEARS.
WELL, THAT, THAT FUNDING, UM, GOES AWAY THIS YEAR.
SO IN FISCAL YEAR 25, THERE WILL NOT BE ANY, UM, FUNDING FROM THE STATE FOR THAT.
AND WE HAVE TO BUDGET FOR THAT.
UM, SO THAT IS A, A BIG INCREASE ON, ON THAT.
UM, THE MISCELLANEOUS SERVICES, THAT IS OUR LANGUAGE LINE, UH, THAT HAS INCREASED.
OUR DEMOGRAPHICS FOR OUR COMMUNITY HAS, HAS CHANGED A LITTLE BIT.
SO WE EXPECT THAT LANGUAGE LINE TO BE USED, UH, A LITTLE BIT MORE.
OUR CELL PHONE, UH, SERVICE WENT SLIGHTLY UP, UH, TO ADD A, AN ADDITIONAL, UM, SUPERVISOR CELL PHONE.
THERE'S TWO SHIFT SUPERVISORS INSTEAD OF ONE.
SO YOU HAVE ONE FOR, UH, DAY SHIFT AND ONE FOR NIGHT SHIFT.
AND THEN THE WEARING APPAREL WENT SLIGHTLY UP JUST TO, FOR INFLATION.
THEY WEAR, UM, POLO SHIRTS AND AND STUFF IN, IN THE DISPATCH TO BE PROFESSIONAL.
UM, BUT NOT A, A LOT OF OTHER THINGS INCREASED.
UM, IN, IN THIS LINE ITEM IN THIS DIVISION, THE CALL THE, IT'S CHE ON THERE IS OUR CALL HANDLING EQUIPMENT.
UH, THAT WAS NOT BUDGETED BEFORE AND WE ADDED $1,500 IN THERE TO, UM, TO COVER THAT COST FOR THAT.
AND THAT IS ALL THERE IS TO THAT, TO THAT BUDGET.
ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THAT? THERE'S THIS PRETTY STRAIGHT STRAIGHTFORWARD, SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT, YOUR, THE BUDGET INCREASED, UM, ABOUT SEVEN AND HALF PERCENT FROM THE AMENDED.
IS THAT, AM I READING THAT CORRECTLY? THAT RIGHT? YEAH.
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AND THEN, UM, $10,000 A MONTH WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO EXPEND FOR THAT UPGRADE.I THINK THE STATE SHOULD, SHOULD DO BETTER AND HELP OUT LOCALITIES, ESPECIALLY RURAL LOCALITIES.
IT'S JUST THAT, YOU KNOW, MY THOUGHT PROCESS WITH ALL THE DEPARTMENTS IS THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW FOR FISCAL YEAR 25, I HAVE THE NUMBERS HERE THAT OUR PROJECTED BUDGET IS 91 THOU, 91,000,005, 596,301.
AND OUR PROJECTED EXPENDITURES, THIS IS FOR THE WHOLE COUNTY, RIGHT.
AND, UM, AND, AND WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS TO, TO GET THIS TO BALANCE.
SO RIGHT NOW, THE PRO UH, OUR PROJECTED DEPARTMENT EXPENDITURES AT, WELL, I'M GONNA CALL IT BUDGET ASKS, IS $98,563,493.
AND SO WHEN I'M GOING THROUGH MY QUESTIONS, IT, IT'S LIKE, OKAY, WE AS THE BOARD ARE GONNA HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT MEET MM-HMM.
YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I, I LIKE TO, TO SUM IT UP, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S GONNA HELP ME ANYWAY.
AND THAT'S WHY IT'S GREAT THAT EVERYONE'S COMING HERE AND SAYING, THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE MY, MY WANTS, BUT THEN ALSO TELL ME WHAT YOUR NEEDS ARE.
SO, UM, SO I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS NOT LEGITIMATE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT NO, I UNDERSTAND.
YOU KNOW, I, I, I DO BELIEVE I SUPPORT PUBLIC SAFETY 100%.
YOU KNOW, SO I THINK IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT IT, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT WE INCREASED BY 7% BECAUSE OF EVEN INFLATION ON THAT, WHEN 120,000 WAS ADDED BECAUSE OF THE STATE MANDATE THAT THEY REQUIRED NO, TOTALLY UNDERSTAND.
I JUST, I, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTAND THAT WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS AND I JUST SHAKE MY HEAD AT THAT.
IT'S JUST, IT'S REALLY TOUGH TO TALK ABOUT IT.
SEE THAT, SEE, AND I WOULD SAY THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THAT'S A HAVE TO HAVE
I, SO YOU CAN'T ARGUE WHAT THE STATE TELLS YOU TO DO, SO.
I, SO ANYWAY, SO I WOULD LIKE TO ARGUE ON THAT.
AND, AND THIS IS MY THIRD YEAR, SO I TOTALLY AM FLEXIBLE ON ALL THE, THE DEPARTMENT'S BUDGETS.
I JUST TRYING TO SEE WHERE OUR, OUR, OUR NEEDS ARE FOR OUR PUBLIC.
DALY, I SEE YOU'VE GOT YOUR, UM, YOUR CONVERSATION PIECE THERE.
YOU'RE WHAT, WHAT IS FLYING? FLYING HIS FLYING
DID YOU WEAR YOUR SOCKS
THE BOARD, THIS NUMBER RIGHT NOW IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE NUMBER YOU HAD LAST YEAR IN YOUR BOX.
BUT YOU DON'T HAVE, UH, NUMBER ONE, YOU DON'T HAVE CAPITAL AND ASSETS IN HERE YET.
AND NUMBER TWO, YOU DON'T HAVE SCHOOLS.
AND, UH, AND THE DEBT SERVICE
WELL, THE DEBT SERVICE IS IN THERE.
UM, ARE WE, ARE WE DONE WITH THE SHERIFF? YEAH, I THINK SO.
JAMESON HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT.
WHY DO I KEEP TELLING YOU THAT YOU'VE SPENT ALL YOUR MONEY
IT'S JUST SIMPLE
I'VE LIKED THE LAYOUT OF THAT BUDGET.
I, IT MADE SENSE TO ME ALL THE WAY THROUGH, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
I WASN'T GOING TO DISCUSS THIS, MA'AM, SINCE YOU HAVEN'T STUDIED IT OR ANYTHING, BUT I WAS GONNA TELL YOU WHAT, IT'S, IT IS ON THE FRONT PAGE, THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE BIG PURCHASES WE'VE HAD THE LAST TWO YEARS AND THE SECOND PAGE DOWN THERE.
LIST ALL THOSE PROJECTS SO THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT THEM AND SEE WHAT THEY ARE.
AND YOU'LL NOTICE THAT ON THE FRONT PAGE GOING BACK THERE, YOUR NET LOSS FOR THE EDA THE LAST THREE YEARS IS NINE.