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GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE FEBRUARY 22ND, 2024, UH, BUDGET SESSION WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
[B. Building Inspections - Budget Request]
START TONIGHT WITH BUILDING INSPECTIONS.GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR AND BOARD MEMBERS.
UM, THERE, I AM HOPING THAT YOU DID GET A CORRECTION SHEET AS FAR AS FOR THE OVERALL BUDGET.
THERE WAS A, UH, MIX UP AS FAR AS SOME INFORMATION THAT WAS ON THE ORIGINAL ONE.
UH, IT'S DOWN TO 820,000 AT THIS POINT? YES.
I WILL START IN WITH THE EXPENSE LINES AND GO THROUGH THOSE AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UM, JUST LET ME KNOW.
UM, THE INSPECTION SERVICES IS A LINE ITEM FOR MDIA.
IT IS ACTUALLY A PASS THROUGH LINE ITEM.
THAT NUMBER THAT'S REPRESENTED THERE.
$70,000 IS REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY SPENDING THIS YEAR, APPROXIMATELY.
I DO ANTICIPATE THERE'S A COUPLE OF PROJECTS THAT PROBABLY WILL COME THROUGH.
IT WILL ACTUALLY INCREASE THEIR NUMBER.
THAT MONEY IS MONEY THAT WE TAKE IN AND THEN PROVIDE BACK TO THEM.
WE DON'T PAY THEM A FEE TO ACTUALLY DO THE SERVICE.
THE CUSTOMERS, THE PERMIT FEES ACTUALLY PAY FOR THEIR SERVICES.
IS THAT LIKE, UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE ELECTRICAL GROUP THAT DOES THAT.
THAT, THAT IS THEIR LINE ITEM.
UH, JUST SO THAT I CAN GET THROUGH IT, THERE IS ANOTHER LINE ITEM FURTHER DOWN THAT IS CALLED CODE ACADEMY, AND IT'S AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SHEET, ABOUT FIVE OR SIX UP FROM THE VERY BOTTOM.
THAT IS THE 2% LE LEVY THAT THE STATE REQUIRES US TO COLLECT ON EVERY SINGLE PERMIT THAT IS ISSUED.
SO THAT MONEY IS MONEY THAT WAS COMING IN AND THEN GOING BACK OUT.
SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE KEEP OR THAT WE'RE, UH, EXPENDING OURSELVES OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE.
SO THAT'S FUNDING THE STATE GOVERNMENT ON PART OF THE
IS THAT THE MONEY THAT GOES TO LIKE IF SOMEONE HAS AN ISSUE WITH THEIR HOUSE? NO, THAT'S NOT THE SAME FUND.
THAT'S DEPORT, THAT'S THE, UH, CONTRACTOR'S RECOVERY FREE FEE.
SO THE 2% LEVY THAT IS THERE FUNDS, THE CODE ACADEMY AS WELL AS THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CODE AND PRO PROVIDES FOR THOSE THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO EVERY THREE YEARS THE CODE GETS UPDATED.
THAT MONEY THAT'S THERE PROVIDES FOR THAT.
SO I'LL JUMP BACK UP TO THE VERY BEGINNING AGAIN.
AND I'VE GOT, UH, THE MOTOR VEHICLES, UH, REPAIRS AT $10,000.
WE SHOW CURRENTLY AT THE, UH, 13 71 75.
HOWEVER, THERE'S A COUPLE OF ONES THAT, UH, WE HAVE LISTED THAT WE HAVEN'T SENT IN YET THAT'S GOTTEN IT UP TO 1626.
I EXPECT A COUPLE OF EXPENSES COMING THROUGH AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
UM, TWO OF THE VEHICLES I KNEW WERE GONNA BE NEEDING TIRES.
UM, SO THE MONEY THAT WE ACTUALLY SHOW BEING SPENT THIS YEAR WILL INCREASE.
I JUST TRY TO BE VERY CONSERVATIVE AS FAR AS WHAT'S BEING SPENT TO BEGIN WITH.
UM, I DO KNOW THAT ONE OF MY VEHICLES JUST BROKE DOWN TODAY, SO
UM, THEY'RE IN ONE OF THE OTHER VEHICLES THAT, UH, ONE OF THE OTHER INSPECTORS USES BUT DOESN'T USE ON A REGULAR BASIS.
DO, DO YOU KNOW WHAT'S WRONG WITH IT OR, I'M HOPING IT'S THE ALTERNATOR.
THIS PARTICULAR ONE HAS CAUSED US MORE GRIEF THAN ANY OF THE OTHER ONES BECAUSE IT, UH, FOR SOME REASON JUST STOPS AND IT WON'T START.
SO WHEN THE INSPECTOR GETS OUT, TURNS IT OFF, GOES TO DO HIS INSPECTION, COMES BACK OUT, IT WON'T START AGAIN.
THEY, AT THAT POINT IN TIME IT STARTS.
BUT DON'T WE HAVE ANOTHER VEHICLE THAT SETS BACK HERE LOT? YES, WE DO.
AND THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE BEING UTILIZED BY OTHER EMPLOYEES, BUT NOT ON A REGULAR BASIS.
SO WE PUT THEM INTO IT AND WE ACCOMMODATE FOR THAT.
UM, THE NEXT SIGNED ITEM IS, UH, PRINTING AND BINDING.
THAT BASICALLY COVERS, UH, LIKE BUSINESS CARDS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
ADVERTISING, UH, WE HAVE $500 IN FOR THAT.
TYPICALLY THAT IS FOR SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DO FOR JUST NOTIFYING THE PUBLIC THAT IS REQUIRED TO BE INTO THE NEWSPAPER AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
MISCELLANEOUS SERVICES, THAT KIND OF IS A CATCHALL, IT'S 1750.
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FEW THINGS THAT WE ACTUALLY DO THAT DON'T REALLY APPLY TO ANYTHING.ONE OF THOSE I DON'T SEE ON THIS PARTICULAR ONE, BUT THEY DID FIND A LINE ITEM THAT ACTUALLY SAYS SMALL TOOLS THAT WE'VE ALREADY SPENT, UH, FOR $105.
SO THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS THAT WOULD ACTUALLY COME THROUGH THERE.
UM, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE HAD ANYTHING BUDGETED FOR THAT LINE ITEM BECAUSE IT WAS ONE THAT WE LOCATED AND SAID IT'S MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THAT.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TRANSFER MONEY FROM THAT LINE ITEM INTO THAT.
SO WHEN YOU SAY MISCELLANEOUS SERVICES, YOU SAID THIS IS KINDA LIKE A CATCHALL AND I KNOW THE DOLLAR VALUE ISN'T VERY ALL THAT HIGH AND, AND I'M NOT, UM, SAYING THAT IT'S NOT ALLOWABLE, BUT COULD YOU GIMME AN EXAMPLE?
ITEMS THAT WE'RE CARRYING IN THE VEHICLES.
UM, BUT BECAUSE IT'S VERY HARD TO DEFINE.
THAT JUST WANTED JUST TO PUT IN MY HEAD.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT'S NOT VERY HIGH AT THIS POINT IN TIME, BUT AGAIN, IF WE HAVE TO SEND OUT CERTIFIED RETURN RECEIPT LETTERS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, THAT STARTS TO ADD UP.
AND, UH, WITH THE $800, WE USUALLY DO NOT GO OVER THAT.
WE'RE USUALLY UNDER IT, BUT IT'S CONSERVATIVE.
THE TELEPHONE IS, UH, KIND OF FLUCTUATING.
AND THIS IS THE FIRST YEAR THAT I'VE ACTUALLY LOOKED AT THE ACTUAL BILLS ON A MONTHLY BASIS AND THEY KIND OF FLUCTUATE FOR SOME REASON.
AND I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO ASK ALYSSA AS TO, YOU KNOW, HOW THAT ACTUALLY AFFECTS THINGS.
BECAUSE LOOKING BACK THROUGH OUR RECORDS, THERE'S ABOUT THREE DIFFERENT LINE ITEMS OF THREE DIFFERENT PEOPLE THAT WE'RE PAYING OUT OF THAT LINE ITEM, UM, ACOM, AND THEN THERE'S AT LEAST ONE OR TWO OTHERS THAT ARE THERE.
SO I'VE GOTTA FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT'S BEING APPLIED TO THAT.
'CAUSE WE TYPICALLY DON'T ACTUALLY SEE THE BILLS.
WE SEE 'EM ON OUR REGISTER, BUT WE DON'T RECEIVE THE BILL DIRECTLY.
IT'S A COUNTYWIDE BILL, UH, CELLULAR PHONE.
THE CELLULAR PHONE IS WHAT WE USE FOR THE MOBILE, MOBILE DATA PLANS FOR THE IPADS THAT WE USE WITH OUR SOFTWARE.
THAT LINE ITEM I DID ADJUST DOWN, UM, COST WISE IN THE LAST YEAR OR SO.
SO THAT LINE ITEM ACTUALLY IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO BE REDUCED LATER ON, BUT I DID NOT WANT TO REDUCE IT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, JUST IN CASE THE SERVICES START TO BACK INCREASE BACK UP.
WHAT, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TELEPHONE AND CELLULAR? PHONE? TELEPHONE IS IN-HOUSE.
AND THAT COSTS, UH, UH, $2,300 SO FAR? YES.
WELL, THIS, THIS YEAR RIGHT NOW IT'S AT 9 78.
UH, AND THEY'RE RUNNING ANYWHERE BETWEEN A HUNDRED AND $200 A MONTH.
SO FOR OUR WHO'S, WHO'S THE CARRIER? IT'S ACOM.
IT'S THE, UH, VPN, IT'S THE VOICE OVER, UH, NETWORK.
I, I'M JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE UH, I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, UM, ALRIGHT.
UM, THE AUTO INSURANCE, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, NOTHING HAS HIT IT THIS YEAR.
THAT'S PRETTY MUCH A SET RATE THAT WE GET FROM THE, UH, V CORP AS FAR AS THAT GOES.
AND THAT NUMBER HAS DONE US WELL AS FAR AS ACTUALLY COVERING THE COSTS ON THAT, UH, OFFICE SUPPLIES IS AT $3,500.
THAT'S GOING TO BE ANY OF THE, UH, CART NOT CARD STOCK BECAUSE WE HAVE A LINE ITEM FOR THAT.
BUT, UH, THAT'S FOR THE ITEMS THAT WE NEED.
PENCILS, PAPER, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UM, FOR THAT VEHICLE, POWER, EQUIPMENT AND FUEL, WE'VE GOT $10,000 ON THAT.
CURRENTLY IT IS SHOWING AT, UH, 37 0 7.
THIS IS ONE OF THOSE ONES THAT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT AND, AND TAKE A GUESS AT, BECAUSE OUR LAST BILL FOR TWO WEEKS, FOR HALF A MONTH WAS ALMOST $400 BECAUSE THE PRICES ARE STARTING TO CLIMB BACK UP.
SO IF YOU TAKE THAT $400 TWO TIMES A MONTH, YOU'RE AT THE $10,000 CLOSE TO THAT.
WELL, I'M JUST LOOKING AT, UH, THE 10,000 YOU'RE ASKING VERSUS 2024 AMENDED.
IS THAT OVER 16,000? I'M, I'M WONDERING WHY WAS 2024 AMENDED TO BE SO HIGH? THERE WERE A COUPLE OF NUMBERS THAT WERE SKEWED INTO THAT BECAUSE IT WASN'T ACTUALLY DESIGNATED SPECIFICALLY AS FUEL AS FAR AS WHAT WE WERE DOING.
SO THE NUMBER ACTUALLY WENT UP AS FAR AS WHAT WE HAD IN THERE.
SO THIS YEAR I'M HOPING TO KEEP IT CORRECTED SO THAT ONLY THE FUEL GOES IN THERE.
AS YOU CAN SEE, LAST YEAR WE ONLY DID ABOUT $750 OF THE, THE THING WITH WHAT WE HAVE DONE NOW IS WE'VE HAD SO MUCH TURNOVER
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UNTIL WE GET TO A CERTAIN POINT.I DON'T WANNA START BUYING CLOTHES FOR SOMEBODY AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE UNTIL WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE GONNA STICK AROUND.
SO I WANT TO KEEP THAT NUMBER WHERE IT'S AT BECAUSE WE DO NEED TO HAVE SOME, UH, APPAREL AS FAR AS INSIGNIA DE DESIGNATION AND SHIRTS AND THINGS, BOOKS AND SUBSCRIPTIONS.
THIS NUMBER FLUCTUATES EVERY THREE YEARS FOR THE SIMPLE FACT THAT WHEN THE NEW CODES COME OUT, WE NEED TO HAVE THE BOOKS FOR THE NEW CODES.
THIS YEAR IS ONE OF THOSE YEARS THAT WE'RE DOING THAT.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO KEEP THAT AT THE 7,000 JUST FOR THE SIMPLE FACT THAT I'VE GOTTA PROVIDE CODE BOOKS FOR OUR INSPECTORS.
SO ARE THE, ARE THE BOOKS, ARE THOSE, UH, STATE LEVEL OR THAT FEDERAL LEVEL? OR IS IT BOTH STATE LEVEL? STATE LEVEL? THERE IS ONE BOOK THAT IS MANDATED BY THE STATE THAT IS A MODEL CODE.
IT'S THE IFC INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE.
AND THE REASON THAT IS, IS BECAUSE THERE'S REFERENCES BACK FROM THE STATE ISSUED CODES THAT GO INTO THE IFC.
THE, UH, COMPUTER AND PRINTER SUPPLIES, THAT'S WHERE WE'VE GOT, UH, SOME OF THE PAPER, SOME OF THE, UH, PRINTING INK THAT GOES INTO THE UNITS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UH, OTHER OPERATING SUPPLIES IS AT A THOUSAND DOLLARS.
THAT'S KIND OF THOSE, AGAIN, ONE OF THOSE KIND OF HIT OR MISS ONES THAT YOU'VE, YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A BUFFER.
SOMETIMES IT, UH, WILL HIT THERE AND WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT THE ACTUAL DESIGNATIONS ARE, BUT WE ALSO MAY ACTUALLY HAVE TO TRANSFER SOME OF THAT OUT INTO ONE OF THE OTHER, UH, SUPPLY LINES.
THE MILEAGE, UM, THIS IS THE, UH, REIMBURSEMENT IF AN EMPLOYEE TAKES A, THEIR OWN PERSONAL VEHICLE TO A TRAINING AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UM, THAT ACTUALLY SHOULD HAVE SOME NUMBERS IN IT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, BUT I THINK IT WAS, UH, IN DECEMBER TO JANUARY.
AND I THINK SOME OF THEM ARE LAGGING BEHIND, PUTTING THEIR REQUESTS BACK IN FOR THE MILEAGE THAT THEY'VE GOTTEN.
WHAT, WHAT DO YOU USE AS, AS YOUR MILEAGE RATE REIMBURSEMENT? THAT HAS JUST CHANGED.
UM, THE TWO LINE ITEMS THERE FOR MEAL REIMBURSEMENTS AND LODGING, I'VE GOTTA, I HAVE TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE DESIGNATION BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE LINE ITEMS ARE ACTUALLY HITTING INTO THE CONVENTION AND EDUCATION AND BECAUSE THEY'RE ACTUALLY DRAWN OUT, WE'VE ALWAYS, WE HAVE ALWAYS PUT 'EM IN THE CONVENTION EDUCATION.
SO I'VE GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT THOSE THINGS ARE CLEARLY DEFINED WHEN THEY'RE COMING THROUGH SO THAT WE GET THEM PROPERLY LOCATED.
SO RIGHT NOW THERE ARE $0 THERE, BUT YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE HITTING THERE BECAUSE OF EXPENSES THIS YEAR.
BUT WE ACTUALLY HAD THOUGHT PREVIOUSLY OF HAVING THEM INTO THAT CONVENTION ED EDUCATION AS WELL AS I BELIEVE THERE'S THE LODGING ITEM, UH, THERE.
IT'S JUST MILEAGE CONVENTION AND EDUCATION.
THEN YOURS MUST HAVE, BECAUSE IT'S A $0, IT MAY NOT HAVE HIT IT THERE, BUT THERE ARE, THERE'S 34 85 IN MEAL REIMBURSEMENTS, AND THEN THERE'S A HUNDRED FIFTY SEVEN THIRTY TWO IN LODGING THAT ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN SPENT THIS YEAR.
SO WE'LL HAVE TO APPROPRIATE OUT OF THE OTHER LINE ITEM, THE CONVENTION EDUCATION, THE EDUCATION'S, WHAT'S GONNA HURT ME RIGHT NOW FOR THE SIMPLE FACT, I'VE GOT NEW EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE TO GO TO CERTIFICATION CLASSES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SOME OF THOSE ARE PAID, SOME OF THEM ARE NOT AS FAR AS THE STATE FOR THE MODEL, UH, MODULES THAT THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH FOR THEIR CERTIFICATIONS.
MOST OF IT IS PAID, BUT THE EVENING MEALS ARE NOT PAID.
UM, THE BREAKFAST IS NOT PAID, THE LODGING IS PAID AS LONG AS IT'S WHERE IT CAN BE TAKEN CARE OF.
SO THOSE ARE FACTORS WITHIN THERE.
UM, WE OPERATE AS FAR AS THE EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL PROGRAM HERE, WHICH REQUIRES A DEQ CERTIFICATION.
DEQ DOES NOT PROVIDE ANY OF THAT.
THEY DON'T HAVE A LEVY SYSTEM IN PLACE.
SO WE HAVE TO PAY FOR THE TRAINING, WE HAVE TO PAY FOR THE CERTIFICATIONS, WE HAVE TO PAY FOR THE LODGING, THE MEALS, EVERYTHING.
SO, SO THE, UH, NOW CAN SOME OF THIS BE DONE ONLINE OR DOES IT HAVE TO BE ALL HANDS ON WITH COVID KIND OF IN THE BACKGROUND? JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING WITH DEQ IS, UM, IS IN PERSON FOR THE TRAINING.
NOW THE TESTS ARE STILL COSTING US, AND I BELIEVE THEY'RE RUNNING AT ABOUT 150 TO $200 EACH TIME A TEST IS REQUIRED.
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YOU, YOU MENTIONED ABOUT, UH, BREAKFAST NOT BEING INCLUDED NOW, CAN, CAN YOU TRY AND FIND PLACES FOR, FOR PEOPLE TO STAY? THAT DOES INCLUDE THE BREAKFAST.THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS BECAUSE DHC CHOOSES THE LOCATION, WE MAY NOT ACTUALLY GET THE BREAKFAST.
IT DEPENDS ON THE DEAL THAT THEY GET WITH THE HOTEL.
UM, DUES IN MEMBERSHIP, UH, THAT LINE ITEM, I HAVE THE INCREASE OF APPROXIMATELY $250.
SOME OF THE ORGANIZATIONS HAVE STARTED TO INCREASE THEIR ANNUAL DUES, AND WE'VE GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT THAT COVERED.
CURRENTLY, THE LINE ITEM SHOWING IS ACTUAL FOR THIS YEAR OF $0.
THAT'S BECAUSE I JUST GOT IN THE NEW, UH, DUES.
SO THOSE HAVE BEEN COMING THROUGH AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
AGAIN, THE CODE ACADEMY IS DH CD'S 2%, UH, LEVY THAT I WENT OVER RECENTLY OR JUST A LITTLE BIT AGO.
UH, THE LEASE RENT OF EQUIPMENT THAT'S AT A THOUSAND DOLLARS.
WE HAVE A UNIT OR A SUITE PRINTER THAT WE UTILIZE WITH PLANNING AND ZONING.
THERE'S A LEASE FEE FOR EACH PAGE THAT GOES THROUGH THERE.
SO THAT'S WHAT THAT LINE ITEM IS FOR.
UM, THAT'S ALL THAT I HAVE LISTED ON THERE.
THE OTHER ITEM THAT I DO HAVE THAT, UM, AS OF THIS MORNING, I WAS THINKING ABOUT GOING AHEAD AND PULLING IT BACK OUT, BUT I DO HAVE, AND I PLANNED LAST YEAR AS WELL, TO REPLACE A VEHICLE.
UM, MY VEHICLES RIGHT NOW, UM, MOST OF THEM ARE OVER 200, OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND.
MOST OF THEM ARE OVER 150,000.
UH, TWO OF THEM ARE OVER 200,000.
I'VE PUT IN FOR $35,000 FOR A REPLACEMENT.
AND THAT'S IN THE ASSET REPLACEMENT, UH, FUND.
AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I'M ON THE LINE AS, LIKE I SAID, AS OF THIS MORNING, I WAS THINKING ABOUT GOING AHEAD AND SAYING, OKAY, I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE SURE THAT MY VEHICLES CAN CONTINUE TO LAST.
UH, AFTER I HAVE THE VEHICLE, I JUST HAD TO GO PICK UP ONE OF MY INSPECTORS,
SO THAT'S ONE OF THOSE ONES THAT IF IT, IF IT NEEDS TO BE CUT, IT NEEDS TO BE CUT.
UM, BUT WE DO NEED TO START LOOKING AT, UH, FUTURE BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, THE MILEAGES ARE INCREASING.
WE HAVE THREE COLORADOS, WE'VE HAD A TOTAL OF FIVE COLORADOS, TWO OF THEM HAVE BEEN RETIRED.
THE THREE THAT WE HAVE, AS WELL AS THE OTHERS ACTUALLY HAD THE HEADS REPLACED ALREADY UNDER WARRANTY THROUGH GM BECAUSE THE TYPE OF ENGINE THAT WAS THERE, THEY HAD A DEFECT.
THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN BECAUSE THEY PUT THE EXACT SAME PART BACK ON BECAUSE THERE WAS NO FIX FOR IT.
SO IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN.
I ANTICIPATE TRANSMISSIONS ARE GONNA START TO GO BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT WE'RE HAVING TO DRIVE THROUGH THE MOUNTAINS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO I SEE THOSE EXPENSES INCREASING FOR THOSE VEHICLES.
UM, WHERE YOU GET THAT COST SAVINGS OR POTENTIAL, IT, IT, IT'S KIND OF A TOSSUP.
SO AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I PROBABLY WILL SAY THAT IF THE BUDGET NEEDS TO BE AMENDED, TAKE OUT THE VEHICLE AND WE'LL JUST CONTINUE TO TRY TO KEEP THOSE NUMBERS DOWN.
IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ADDITIONAL, THEN I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER, ANSWER.
I HAVE A COUPLE TO TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, THE VEHICLE.
SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU NEED TWO VE VEHICLES THIS YEAR OR SHOULD WE WE JUST NEED ONE THIS YEAR.
ONE FOR THE COMING UP YEAR IS WHAT I HAD ANTICIPATED FOR 25.
I'M LOOKING AT, UM, MS. GOD, SO ON OUR ASSET REPLACEMENT IN OUR PROPERTY INVENTORY SHEET, IS THERE SOME VEHICLES THAT ARE COMING UP FOR, UM, RE REPLACEMENT FOR, UM, BUILDING INSPECTIONS? I'LL HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
BECAUSE IF I, IF I, UM, KNOW THE PROCESS CORRECTLY, RIGHT? I MEAN, IF THERE'S, UM, WITH THE INVENTORY LIST AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE EARMARKED FOR CERTAIN REPLACEMENTS, WE, WE FIND BUDGET, IF YOU WILL, FOR THAT FISCAL YEAR TO REPLACE THE VEHICLE.
IT'S DESIGNED, IT'S DESIGNED THAT WAY.
SO YEAH, IF YOU COULD, UM, JUST IF, I MEAN A KEY WORD IN THAT IS FINE, MA'AM.
WELL, I KNOW WE'RE IN A BUDGET, IN A BOX, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, I'M JUST SAYING, OH LISTEN, EVERYTHING, THE BUDGET WILL NOT BE FOUND.
THE MAN HAS SPOKEN
DALEY, I AM 100% WITH YOU WITH THE BUDGET IN THE BOX.
BUT SEE THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THESE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
I MEAN THESE, UM, BUDGET HEARINGS, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE CAN,
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YOU KNOW, LOOK AT WHICH DEPARTMENTS, YOU KNOW, DON'T REALLY NEED ALL THE MONEY THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR THAT WE CAN MOVE TO BUY SOME NEW VEHICLES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.SO IT'S, IT'S ALL BUDGET IN THE BOX.
SO, BUT IF YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, CHECK IN AND, AND LET ME KNOW, YOU KNOW, OR THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE BOARD ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, THE SHEET SAID BUDGET COMES IN NEXT WEEK.
AND THEN WE'LL JUST WAIT FOR THEM, THE SHEET THAT WAS SENT.
WE'LL JUST WAIT TILL NEXT WEEK TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
THE SHEET THAT WAS SENT OUT TODAY, I BELIEVE THE VERY FIRST LINE ITEM WAS 35,000 THAT I HAD OKAY.
I
WELL, I KNOW WHEN I FIRST CAME ON THE BOARD, I THINK WE APPROVED THE, UM, EXPLORER.
THE EXPLORER AND, AND MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THE EXPLORER WAS TO TAKE PLACE.
ONE OF THE COLORADOS WITH THAT WAS AN ISSUE.
IT WAS TO REPLACE THAT WE DID WITH THE UNDERSTANDING RE REPLACING THE COLORADOS TOO BECAUSE OF THE NEED FOR MORE SPACE.
UM, SO I KNOW THAT VEHICLE, I, I WONDERED WHY IT SET FOR SO LONG, UH, AND THE TRANSITION OF EMPLOYEES IS THE BIGGEST PIECE TO THAT BECAUSE WE COULDN'T REALLY SEND THOSE INDIVIDUALS OUT BY THEMSELVES AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME.
SO IT WAS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT, DO WE REALLY USE THAT RIGHT AT THE MOMENT UNTIL THEY'RE READY TO GO OUT AND ACTUALLY FULFILL THEIR DUTIES AS THEY'RE THEMSELVES.
BECAUSE WHEN WE HAVE AN INSPECTOR AND OR A PLAN REVIEWER OR A DEPUTY BUILDING OFFICIAL COMING IN, WE DON'T JUST SEND THEM OUT ON THEIR OWN.
THEY, THEY'VE GOTTA RIDE WITH SOMEBODY FOR A MINIMUM OF SIX MONTHS.
THAT, THAT'S JUST THE WAY THE NATURE IS BECAUSE YOU'VE GOTTA LEARN WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING FOR.
I JUST, I THOUGHT THAT THAT ONE WAS GOING TO GO INTO SERVICE AND THEN THAT THERE WAS A PLAN TO START.
AND I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT YOU'VE GOT SOME MONEY IN THERE, BUT, OH, I UNDERSTOOD THAT THE COLORADOS WERE AT THAT POINT WHEN I CAME ON THE BOARD PRETTY MUCH NEAR THE END OF LIFE.
UM, SO I APPRECIATE THAT THEY'VE GOTTEN THROUGH TO THIS POINT.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE SAYING IF WE CAN'T, CAN'T AFFORD IT TO PULL IT OUT.
BUT I THINK WE NEED, WHEN WE GET TO THAT ASSET, IF YOU'VE GOT A VEHICLE THAT YOU CAN'T SAFELY SAY THE PERSON'S GONNA BE ABLE TO COMPLETE THEIR DAY OF WORK WITHOUT HAVING TO GO PICK 'EM UP, THEN I THINK WE'RE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT THAT EXPLORER OUT THERE AND GET RID OF THAT.
I MEAN, IF IT'S AT THAT POINT WHERE WE'RE PUTTING MONEY INTO A PIECE OF JUNK, TOTALLY AGREE.
WE ACTUALLY RETIRED TWO VEHICLES ONCE THAT CAME IN.
UH, WE HAD AN OLD EXPLORER THAT THE IT DEPARTMENT IS USING AT THIS POINT IN TIME THAT IS SAFE FOR AROUND TOWN BUT NOT OUT INTO THE FIELD.
AND THEN WE ALSO RETIRED AT COLORADO AT THAT TIME AS WELL.
SO WE ACTUALLY GOT RID OF TWO.
ALL FIVE OF 'EM ARE DESIGNATED FOR INDIVIDUALS TO USE.
UH, BECAUSE THERE ARE TIMES WHEN BOTH MY PLAN REVIEWER AND MY DEPUTY BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE TO GO OUT TO EITHER DOING A SITE INSPECTION.
SO IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT VEHICLE SITTING THERE TO GO OUT, THEN WE'VE GOTTA WAIT.
SO HOW MANY INSPECTORS DO YOU JUST HAVE THE TWO INSPECTORS? WE HAVE TWO INSPECTORS RIGHT NOW.
AND MY DEPUTY BUILDING OFFICIAL ACTS AS A THIRD ONE, AND THEN I ACT AS A FOURTH ONE.
NOW, IF YOU HAVE TO HAVE, IF YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY GO OUT AND PERFORM AN INSPECTION AND NO VEHICLES ARE AVAILABLE, THEN DO YOU GIVE THEM MILEAGE OR I DON'T TRUST THEM TO TAKE THEIR OWN VEHICLES OUT BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT THE COUNTY AND THE ROADS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, UH, WOULD BE, I, I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE DOING THAT.
UH, I CAN UNDERSTAND ESPECIALLY COUNTY IDENTIFICATION AS WELL, BECAUSE YOU'RE PULLING UP INTO A, UH, A LOCATION WITH NOTHING DESIGNATING WHO YOU ARE.
NO, THAT I, I WAS GLAD TO SEE THAT WE'RE STARTING TO, TO PUT THE WARREN COUNTY EMBLEM IN WHAT DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THAT, THAT IS AN ISSUE.
I MEAN, AS A, A SINGLE A MOM AT HOME WITH THE CHILDREN, I WOULDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE OPENING THE DOOR TO JUST ANYBODY THAT PULLS UP.
LAST QUESTION, AND I MAY HAVE NOT, UH, I DIDN'T HEAR, SO WE HAVE AN INSPECTION SERVICES FOR, UH, IT WENT UP 40,000.
SO WHAT ALL ENTAILS WITH INSPECTION SERVICES? SO THOSE LIKE SUBCONTRACTORS THAT YOU USE OR THAT'S THE MIDDLE DEPARTMENT INSPECTION AGENCY WHO PERFORMS ALL OF OUR ELECTRICAL INSPECTIONS AS WELL AS THE ELECTRICAL RE REVIEWS.
UHHUH
BECAUSE PREVIOUSLY WHEN WE WEREN'T
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TAKING THESE, IT ACTUALLY THAT WE HAD TO HANDLE, UH, CHECKS AND CASH AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE JUST TO HAND TO THEM.NOW WE'RE ACTUALLY SEEING, OKAY, WE CAN DEPOSIT IT AND THEN ON A REGULAR BASIS IT GOES BACK OUT.
FOR THOSE INSPECTION SERVICES, I'M JUST WONDERING IF YOU HAVE, UM, LIKE A PROJECTION OF HOW MANY INSPECTIONS WILL HAPPEN? UM, AND IF IT'S BASED ON LIKE THE, UH, THE LOCAL MARKET FOR, FOR HOUSING STARTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT? UH, JUST BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE, THE HISTORY FOR LAST YEAR OR WHAT WE'RE EXPECTING, BUT I DID SEE JUST THE OTHER DAY, UM, THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATIVE REPORT AND IT, IT LOOKED LIKE BUILDING INSPECTIONS, AT LEAST FOR JANUARY WERE WERE DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY VERSUS THE SAME PERIOD LAST YEAR.
AND, UH, SAME PERIOD LAST YEAR? YES.
UH, LAST YEAR WAS A BOOM YEAR BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE THINKING THAT THE, THE ECONOMY WAS GOING TO START TANKING AND THE HOUSING MARKET WAS ACTUALLY HOT AT THAT POINT BECAUSE THEY KNEW THE INTEREST RATES WERE STARTING TO CREEP UP.
SO THE INSPECTION NUMBERS WERE HIGH.
WE ALSO WERE DEALING WITH A COUPLE OF PROJECTS OUT IN THE CORRIDOR THAT INCREASED THE INSPECTION LOADS AS WELL.
I THINK RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT A EVEN KEEL, IF YOU LOOK AT, AND IT DOESN'T SHOW ON THAT PARTICULAR REPORT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PRIOR YEAR, WE'RE BACK RIGHT IN LINE WITH WHERE WE WERE AT AT THAT TIME.
AND, UM, IF I RECALL, WE, WE DID INCREASE SOME OF THE, THE PERMIT FEES AND THE INSPECTION FEES NOT TOO LONG AGO.
BUT WE'RE STILL NOT COVERING COSTS, RIGHT? LIKE, THERE'S ALMOST LIKE A NEGOTIATION TO WHAT COULD THE MARKET BEAR WITH REGARD TO THOSE FEES? UM, YES.
AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP FROM THE CONTRACTORS.
SO IF YOU INCREASE YOUR FEES AND WE DO LESS WORK, YOU'RE STILL NOT COVERING YOUR COSTS.
SO WHERE IS THAT HAPPY BALANCE? I, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HAD THOUGHT ABOUT AS FAR AS THE VEHICLE REPLACEMENT AS WELL, IS I WOULD LIKE TO GET THROUGH A FULL YEAR, BECAUSE THIS CAME INTO EFFECT JULY 1ST.
I'D LIKE TO GET THROUGH A FULL YEAR TO SEE WHERE WE'RE ACTUALLY FALLING.
HOW MUCH ARE WE ACTUALLY GETTING TO THERE? THIS PARTICULAR FEE WAS SET AT BE ABOUT A 90% CO COST RECOVERY.
UH, WE HAD TWO, A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
THIS IS THE ONE THE BOARD DECIDED TO GO WITH AT THE 90%.
SO I WANT TO SEE WHERE THAT NUMBER FALLS.
HOLD UP YOUR LINE ON DIRECT BUILDING PERMITS.
SO AT THIS POINT, ARE YOU FULLY STAFFED? WE ARE FULLY STAFFED AT THIS POINT IN TIME, AND THAT WAS THE OTHER THING.
I WANNA SEE WHERE THOSE FEE FEES COME IN BECAUSE WE COULD ACTUALLY USE ONE MORE INSPECTOR BECAUSE OUR WORKLOAD IS SUCH THAT THEY DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE THE TIME TO DO THE INVESTIGATIONS FOR THE THINGS THAT ARE COMING THROUGH WHERE THERE ARE PROBLEMS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
AND THEN ALSO FOLLOWING UP ON THINGS BECAUSE THEY GO OUT AT APPROXIMATELY 9:00 AM IN THE MORNING AND THEY GET BACK IN AT THE END OF THE DAY AND THEY DON'T HAVE TIME TO DO THAT PAPERWORK AND FOLLOW THROUGH ON THINGS THAT ARE FOLLOWING BY THE SIDE.
AND I, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY WITH YOU THAT I KNOW THAT, UH, IT WAS EITHER LAST YEAR OR THE YEAR BEFORE LAST THAT, UH, THAT THE TOWN HAD GOTTEN INVOLVED IN INSPECTIONS AND STUFF AND THEN THEY BACKED OUT.
SO THE, SO YOU ARE TAKING CARE OF BOTH THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY INSPECTIONS? EVERYTHING? CORRECT.
UM, YEAH, I'M, I HAVE SOME CATCHING UP TO DO IN TERMS OF, OF, UH, WHAT'S GOING ON.
UM, AND SOME OF THIS, THIS MIGHT SPILL OVER THE MAP, BUT I, AND LOOKING AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, MY RECOLLECTION IS THE, THE GENERAL TARGET GROWTH RATE IS, IS IT BETWEEN ONE AND 2% OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? YES.
AND, AND ARE, WHERE ARE WE IN TERMS OF THAT? LIKE RIGHT NOW? I BELIEVE WE'RE BELOW 1%.
AND, AND, AND I APOLOGIZE THAT, WOULD THAT THAT BE 23? I'M SORRY? WAS THAT 23? YEAH.
WHICH WAS A BOOM YEAR OR, OR SO? NO.
WELL, I MEAN, IT PICK, IT DID PICK UP, I THINK LAST YEAR WAS A BETTER YEAR PRIOR.
PRIOR REFERRING TO LAST YEAR BEING 22.
SO, SO 22 WAS THE, THE HIGHER OF, OF THE TWO.
THERE WAS A VERY GRADUAL INCLINE, UH, FROM 2009, THE 2022 WAS PROBABLY THE BEST YEAR, AND THAT WAS BECAUSE THE HOUSING MARKET AND THE INTEREST RATES WERE SO LOW THAT PEOPLE WERE BUYING, WANTING TO COME IN.
NOW IT'S STARTING TO STALE DOWN BECAUSE OF THE INTEREST RATES INCREASE.
SO, SO WHEN YOU SAY YOU'RE FULLY STAFFED, IS THAT, DOES THAT CORRELATE TO SOME PER GROWTH? LIKE IT'S 0.64% NOW, IF IT WAS 1.5%, WOULD YOU BE FULLY STAFFED? PROBABLY NOT.
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NOT, BECAUSE I MEAN, I WAS NOTICING ON THE, ON THE COST, AND I DON'T, I DIDN'T, AGAIN, CATCHING UP.WISE, I MEAN, UM, ALMOST ALL OF THE INCREASE FROM 23 OR FROM 20 THREES TO 20.
OH, I, I THINK THE 20 THREES IS BASICALLY STAFF IS SALARIES.
IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT IT, OUR, OUR ACTUAL COST, WHAT OUR OPERATING EXPENSES ARE, IT'S ABOUT 5% OF WHAT OUR OVERALL BUDGET IS.
UM, SO IT WAS INTERESTING THAT YOU WENT DOWN AND EXEMPT UP AND NON-EXEMPT, AND YOU HAVE SOME PART-TIMERS THERE.
SO THE EXEMPT FLUCTUATION WAS BECAUSE IT WAS MY DEPUTY BUILDING, OFFICIAL SALARY WAS PUT INTO THE EXEMPT CATEGORY, WHICH IT WASN'T SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN.
THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT OKAY.
THAT'S JUST A ACCOUNTING A NUMBERS GLIT.
SO YEAH, WHAT I, WHAT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT IS, UM, WHERE, WHERE YOUR BOTTLENECK IS IN TERMS OF LIKE, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN TERMS OF GROWTH, UH, OR, OR DO, DO YOU EVEN, OR IS THIS THE RIGHT FORM TO ASK, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT'S, WHAT ARE YOU EXPECTING THE NUMBERS TO BE THIS COMING YEAR? DO YOU EVER HAVE, DO YOU HAVE A BASIS FOR LOOKING AND SAYING, MY, MY, MY CRYSTAL BALL IS A LITTLE CLOUDY RIGHT NOW? YEAH, I CAN IMAGINE.
BUT I HAVE TO WATCH THE NUMBERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
I HAVE TO WATCH WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE REAL ESTATE MARKET.
UM, MATT AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT DOES A LITTLE BIT BETTER AS FAR AS THE PROJECTIONS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
HOWEVER, I STILL HAVE TO, BECAUSE YOUR COMMENT AS FAR AS FULLY STAFFED, THAT'S A RELATIVE TERM.
WHEN I STARTED HERE, WE HAD APPROXIMATELY 17 EMPLOYEES IN THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS DEPARTMENT.
SO WHEN I WAS COMING IN, THAT WAS THAT REALLY BIG BOOM IN THE TWO THOU, THE MID TWO THOUSANDS.
AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE DOING APPROXIMATELY 200 HOMES A YEAR IN WARREN COUNTY AS WELL AS THE TOWN.
SO IT'S A RELATIVE TERM AS TO BEING FULLY STAFFED.
WHAT I THINK MS. CALLERS WAS ASKING WAS, THE POSITIONS THAT I HAVE AVAILABLE, I HAVE THEM ALL FILLED
OKAY, SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE FOLLOWING, YES.
YOU'RE TRYING TO FOLLOW AS WELL AS YOU CAN.
UM, BUT GIVEN THAT, UM, WE WENT FROM, FROM 22 OR YEAH, 22 TO 23, YOU, YOU, YOU DROPPED OFF.
SO IT'S, YOU CAN'T TIME THINGS PRECISELY IN TERMS OF STEPH, BUT WE'RE, ARE WE EXPECTING THIS 0.64 TO KEEP GOING OR, I MEAN, AGAIN, THE CRYSTAL BALL, I, I DON'T, I THINK IT'S GOING TO ACTUALLY INCREASE SLIGHTLY.
I DON'T THINK IT'S, BUT, BUT AT ANY RATE, IF WE'RE GONNA GO, IF WE'RE GONNA GET ON AND START DRIVING TOWARDS WHAT OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS, THEN THIS IS GONNA BE A BOTTLENECK SITUATION.
WE, WE WOULD NEED TO INCREASE THE STAFF.
AND THAT'S WHERE I'M LOOKING AT THOSE NUMBERS WITH THE FEES INCREASES THE WAY THE STATE MANDATES THE BUILDING INSPECTION DEPARTMENT CAN COVER COSTS THEY CAN'T PUT BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND.
SO IT'S A BALANCING ACT THERE AS WELL.
SO HOW MUCH DO YOU ACTUALLY CHARGE FOR THE PERMIT FEES AND WHAT YOUR EXPENSES ARE GONNA BE? SO YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO JUSTIFY THAT.
UM, THERE WAS A COURT CASE OUT OF, UM, HENRICO, I BELIEVE, WHERE A, UH, SUPERVISOR DOWN THERE HAD INDICATED, I THINK IT WAS ACTUALLY THE ADMINISTRATOR IN THERE HAD SAID TO THE BUILDING OFFICIAL, THANKS FOR PUTTING A MILLION DOLLARS BACK INTO OUR BUDGET.
WELL, THE WRONG PEOPLE GOT AHOLD OF THAT, AND THEY HAD TO JUSTIFY HOW THAT WAS BEING SAID.
THE INCREASE WAS THERE, BUT THEY ALSO DIDN'T ACCOUNT FOR THE RENT FOR THE SPACE THAT THEY WERE USING.
THEY DIDN'T ACCOUNT FOR A LOT OF THINGS AND THEY WERE ABLE TO JUSTIFY SAYING, YOU COVERED YOUR COSTS.
I, I THINK JUST TO NOTE, UM, THE LAST 10 YEARS WE HAVE UP AND DOWN A LITTLE BIT VARIOUSLY, BUT WE'VE COME OUT ABOUT 10% OVER 10 YEARS.
SO, SO 1% OR A LITTLE BIT LESS IN THE LONG RUN IS WHAT WE'RE AVERAGING LONG RUN.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, UH, FOR MR. BEN? UH, WELL ONE MORE ACTUALLY.
UM, ON THE NUMBERS WE GET IN YOUR REPORT, HOW MANY, UH, INSPECTIONS WERE DONE OR WHATEVER, UM, IT IS THERE, UH, IS THERE A METRIC IN TERMS OF TIME? LIKE DO THEY TAKE
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TWO WEEKS OR THEY TAKE A MONTH? OR DO THEY TAKE TWO DAYS? I MEAN, IN TERMS OF DO, DO YOU TRACK, UM, HOW QUICK THEY GET, THEY, THEY CYCLE THROUGH TO GET OUT THROUGH? BECAUSE IF I SEE A NUMBER THAT SAYS, UH, 1000 INSPECTIONS WERE DONE, UH, WELL, HOW MANY WERE ASKED FOR WOULD BE A DIFFERENT QUESTION.LIKE, SO INSPECTIONS, WE HAVE TWO DAYS, TWO WORKING DAYS TO PERFORM THE INSPECTION.
WE TYPICALLY HAVE THOSE INSPECTIONS DONE THE NEXT DAY.
SO I THINK I'M UNDERSTANDING YOUR QUESTION, BEING ASKED FOR AND GETTING DONE.
WE, WE, THAT'S HOW WE DO THAT.
SO, SO IF THERE'S NO BACKLOG, THEN THE NUMBER DONE IS THE NUMBER REQUESTED? YES.
ARE YOU, ARE YOU GETTING OUT THE PERMITS BETTER THAN WE HAVE HAD BE GREATER SUCCESS AT THIS POINT IN TIME? I'M, I'M PLEASED WITH THE PLAN REVIEWER AS WELL AS MY DEPUTY BUILDING OFFICIAL, AND THEN I'M ALSO HAVING TO DO PLAN REVIEW AS WELL FOR THE THINGS THAT THEY AREN'T COMFORTABLE WITH AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
SO IF I HAD TO SAY ANYTHING, IT WAS PROBABLY MINE THAT LAG A LITTLE BIT MORE BECAUSE THEY'RE MORE COMPLEX, BUT THEY'RE ALSO COMMERCIAL AND THEY'RE TYPICALLY OUTSIDE FIRMS THAT TYPICALLY EXPECT A MONTH TO TWO MONTHS FOR A PLAN REVIEW TO BE DONE.
BUT ON THE AVERAGE NOW, WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE TIME FOR A LOCAL CONTRACTOR? FOR A LOCAL CONTRACTOR IS LESS THAN TWO WEEKS.
WE TYPICALLY HAVE COMMENTS BACK OUT WITHIN ABOUT TWO DAYS OF THEM BEING SUBMITTED.
SO, SO THE, THAT WAS, I THINK THE BIGGEST HURDLE THAT THE CONTRACTORS HAD WAS THAT OKAY, WE SAY TWO WEEKS.
WELL, THAT WAS TWO WEEKS BEFORE WE ACTUALLY GOT COMMENTS TO THEM.
NOW WE'RE GETTING THE COMMENTS IN TWO TO THREE DAYS.
SO THEY'RE GETTING OUT QUICKER.
UM, SO I'M SAYING PROBABLY ON AVERAGE BETWEEN A WEEK TO TWO WEEKS FOR MOST OF THE LOCAL CONTRACTORS.
UM, IS THAT BECAUSE OF THE STAFF AUGMENTATION YOU'VE RECENTLY DONE? YES.
UH, BEING FULLY STAFFED FOR THE POSITIONS THAT I HAVE AVAILABLE TO STAFF, THAT HELPS.
UM, I'M, I'M WORKING A LITTLE BIT MORE HARD FOR THE SIMPLE FACT BECAUSE MY INS MY EMPLOYEES AREN'T AS KNOWLEDGEABLE, UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT COMING FROM ANOTHER DEPARTMENT, A BUILDING INSPECTION DEPARTMENT.
SO MY PLAN REVIEWER HAS CONSTRUCTION BACKGROUND, BUT HE WASN'T INVOLVED IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR.
SO YOU'RE HAVING TO TRAIN THAT INDIVIDUAL.
SO MY JOB COMES A LITTLE BIT MORE BECAUSE I'M ANSWERING A LOT MORE QUESTIONS BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO LEARN.
AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST THE BUILDING PERMIT AND WHAT ABOUT THE DEQ PROCESS THAT OUTSIDE YOUR I HAVE TO DO ALL OF THE PLAN REVIEW FOR THE EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL.
I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT'S APPROVED TO DO.
THAT'S, THAT'S ALSO WITHIN THE TWO WEEKS.
UM, NO, THE EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL, YOU HAVE A MANDATED 45 DAYS TO DO THE IN TO DO THE REVIEW.
UM, MOST OF THE TIME FOR ANYTHING THAT COMES THROUGH FOR EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL, IT'S ACTUALLY LINKED TO THE STORMWATER, WHICH DEQ WE HAVE ALLOWED TO DO.
THE STORMWATER PORTION OF IT, THEY TYPICALLY TAKE LONGER THAN WHAT MY REVIEWS TAKE.
AND YOU DON'T DO THAT BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE STAFF WHEN YOU SAY YOU ALLOW DEQ TO DO IT.
IT'S, IT'S, UM, THAT THAT'S A, THAT'S AN, THAT'S AN EFFECT THAT THAT'S A SLOW DOWN EFFECT RIGHT.
THE REASON THAT WE DIDN'T, UH, DO IT INTERNALLY WAS BECAUSE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT DEQ IS HAVING BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T GOT ALL THE KINKS WORKED OUT OF THEM.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M GOING TO HAVE TO BE COMING TO THE BOARD HERE SHORTLY IN A WORK SESSION, AND I WANTED TO GET PAST THE BUDGET SESSIONS FIRST.
THERE IS A COMPLETE REWRITE OF OUR EROSION AND SETTLE CONTROL THAT HAS TO BE DONE BY JULY 1ST BY YOU OR BY DEQ OVER YOU
AND IT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY THE FIVE OF YOU.
AND THEN IT ALSO HAS TO BE APPROVED BY DEQ.
NOW, I'M NOT COUNTING ON DE Q'S APPROVAL BY THE JULY 1ST, BUT IF WE CAN GET THROUGH MY PORTION OF IT TO YOU ALL TO HAVE AN APPROVED DOCUMENT, THAT'S WHAT I'M SHOOTING FOR, FOR, FOR JULY 1ST.
SO, SO THEN BASICALLY YOU'RE SENDING IT TO DEQ BECAUSE THEY CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY WANT.
SO YOU FIGURE OUT, SO YOU FIGURE, WELL, I'LL JUST GIVE IT TO THEM AND THEY CAN FIGURE IT OUT AND I'M NOT GONNA BE THE MIDDLEMAN FOR THE STORM WATER.
EVENTUALLY, AND THIS IS WHAT THIS NEW PROGRAM IS REQUIRING, IS IT'S A COMBINED, UH, PROGRAM SO THAT THERE'S NOT TWO PARTS TO IT.
THAT'S BEFORE IT WAS EROSION, ANDS, CONTROL, AND STORM WATER.
THEY'RE COMBINING THE TWO PIECES TOGETHER.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO REWRITE OUR PROGRAM TO IDENTIFY ALL THE NEW PIECES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE WITHIN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
I'M GONNA TELL YOU THAT DEQ IS GOING TO MANDATE IT THROUGH LEGISLATION
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THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THE STORM ORDER.AND WHEN WE DO THAT, THE FEES ARE GOING TO PROBABLY HAVE TO BE INCREASED HIGHER THAN WHAT DEQ CHARGES IS AT THIS POINT IN TIME BECAUSE THEY'RE LOSING MONEY.
AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE CHOSE NOT TO DO IT.
THERE WAS A 78 22 SPLIT IN THE FEES WHEN THEY ORIGINALLY THOUGHT OF THIS BACK IN 20 20 14.
THEY'RE NOT COVERING THEIR COSTS WITH WHAT THEY SAID WE SHOULD BE DOING IT FOR.
AND THAT WAS THE OVERALL FIGURE THAT THEY'RE, THEY WERE GETTING.
SO WE, WE KNEW THAT AND WE ALSO DIDN'T WANT TO CHARGE THE CONTRACTORS HIGHER FEES.
WE COULD HAVE ACTUALLY CHARGED LESS, BUT IT WAS GONNA COST US EVEN FURTHER.
WE WOULD'VE DUG OURSELF INTO A HOLE.
OR WILL IT STREAM, WILL IT OFFER AN OPPORTUNITY TO STREAMLINE IF YOU'RE, WE BRING IT IN.
I MEAN, I THINK IT WILL, BUT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO INCREASE OUR STAFFING LEVEL QUITE DRASTICALLY TO DO THAT.
YOU'D HAVE TO DO ANYWAY THOUGH IF THEY MANDATED.
RIGHT NOW FREDERICK COUNTY IS RUNNING ABOUT, THEY, THEY DO THEIR OWN STORM ORDER.
IT'S TAKING THEM JUST ABOUT AS LONG AS WHAT DEQ IS, JUST BECAUSE OF HAVING TO FIND STAFF TO DO THE WORK.
AND IT'S THAT EMPLOYMENT NUMBER.
I MEAN, I KNOW PEOPLE, BUILDINGS THAT ARE WAITING A LONG TIME FOR THE D FOR THEIR ENVIRONMENTAL PART.
HOWEVER, A LOT OF THAT IS ACTUALLY ON THE CONTRACTORS THAT, NOT THE CONTRACTOR THEMSELVES, BUT THE DESIGNERS, UM, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF 'EM THAT ARE NOTORIOUS, UM, THAT TAKE FOREVER TO GET ANSWERS BACK.
I MEAN, I CAN'T VERIFY THE VERACITY OF WHAT I'VE, WHAT I'VE WAS IN, YOU KNOW, A CASUAL CONVERSATION WITH SOMEBODY BUILDING A HOUSE, BUT THEY'RE LIKE WAITING 30, 40 DAYS JUST TO, FOR SOMEBODY TO SAY, YEAH, THAT CELL FENCE LOOKS FINE.
I MEAN THAT'S MAYBE THAT'S TOO, MAYBE THAT'S TOO ANECDOTAL, BUT, BUT, UH, IT SHOULDN'T BE FOR SILT FENCE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE TO BE FINE IF YOU, WHEN YOU GET IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS, IF YOU CAN GET SPECIFICS AND ASK ME ABOUT THINGS.
YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT.
'CAUSE I DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN.
GETTING FEED, GETTING THAT FEEDBACK WOULD BE GOOD FOR YOU.
IF I KNOW WHAT I'M DEALING WITH, YEAH.
AND I, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THE, UH, WHEN, WHEN YOU SAY THAT YOUR INSPECTORS GO OUT FOR INSPECTIONS, DO YOU HAVE CERTAIN PARAMETERS THAT SAY LIKE, UH, IF SOMEBODY'S BUILDING A DECK, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SPEND YOUR TIME WITH THAT? UH, I, I DON'T KNOW.
I'M JUST KIND OF THROWING THAT OUT THERE.
BUT IF SOMEBODY'S BUILDING A HOUSE, YOU DO WANT TO GO OVER AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
IS IT LIKE SOMETHING THAT REQUIRES A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY? YOU'RE GONNA LOOK AT THAT, BUT IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S AN OUTSIDE STRUCTURE, LIKE A DECK, YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY OR MAY NOT TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
NO, WE, WE ARE REQUIRED TO OKAY.
AND A FRAMING INSPECTION WOULD BE, UH, TWO INSPECTIONS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR A DECK.
SO THEN, SO THEN ANYTHING THAT PEOPLE APPLY FOR, UH, A BUILDING PERMIT, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO GO OUT AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT AT CERTAIN POINTS.
AND THE, AND THE, THE, THE FOLKS, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO CONTACT YOU AND SAY, HEY, I'M AT THIS POINT, YOU NEED TO COME OUT AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
GIMME A THUMBS UP, OR TELL ME THAT I'M ALL WET.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.
AND IF ANY, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS AT ANY OTHER TIME, JUST DROP BY AND ASK PLEASE.
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ALL RIGHT, MR. WINDLEY, FOR THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT FOR BUILDING INSPECTIONS UNDER PUBLIC SAFETY, THIS IS WHAT THE BOARD HAS BEEN PROVIDED.SO IF YOU CAN GO OFF OF THAT PLEASE.
I, I'VE MADE NOTES ON A COUPLE PAGES, SO IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'LL JUST KIND OF LOOK AT THINGS.
I APPRECIATE YOUR DILIGENCE IN, IN, UH, ALLOWING ME TO COME TO YOU AND PRESENT OUR APP, OUR BUDGET.
I'D LIKE TO THANK ELLIS, UH, AND, UH, MEGAN WITH FINANCE IN ASSISTING US WITH GOING THROUGH THIS.
UM, THIS IS THE SECOND TIME I'VE HAD TO DO THIS AND, UH, IT'S A, A LEARNING CURVE THIS YEAR, SO I APPRECIATE ANY, YOUR PATIENCE WITH ME ON SOME OF THESE ITEMS. BUT CAN YOU SAY THAT YOUR WIFE DOESN'T MAKE YOU DO
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THIS AT HOME? NO, SHE'S THE BILL PAYER.I JUST MAKE THE MONEY RIGHT NOW.
SHE, SO IN ANY CASE, UM, SO LET'S SEE.
I GUESS WE WOULD WANT TO START AT, UH, PROFESSIONAL SERVICES.
UM, THAT'S KIND OF, WE HAVE NO, UM, NEED FOR A CELL PHONE STIPEND.
WE USED TO, WE DID HAVE THAT, UH, WITH A, A PREVIOUS ZONING OFFICER UTILIZED HIS CELL PHONE OUT IN THE FIELD TO TAKE PHOTOS OF VIOLATIONS.
AND HE HAS SINCE, UM, LEFT, UM, UH, OUR, OFF OUR DEPARTMENT.
AND SO WE NO LONGER NEED TO UTILIZE THAT.
UM, SO, AND I'VE NEVER REQUESTED ONE FOR, FOR MYSELF.
UH, PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, UM, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGING ONE 'CAUSE IT WAS A MOVING TARGET FOR US THIS YEAR.
WE WERE TRYING TO CONSOLIDATE THINGS WITH IT AND UM, IT USED TO BE CALLED, LET ME JUST SHUT THE, UM, WELL AT ONE TIME DUES AND MEMBERSHIPS, IT WAS UNDER AND AT ANOTHER TIME IT WAS SERVICES FROM ANOTHER GOVERNMENT.
FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, THIS IS A, A PORTION OF WHAT WE PAY TO THE, UH, REGIONAL COMMISSION FOR THEIR ANNUAL, UH, FEE.
UM, THEIR ANNUAL FEE IS, WELL, LEMME GET HERE.
SO $26,051, UM, FOR THEIR BASE FEE.
AND THEN THEY ALSO MANAGE OUR WATER PROGRAM.
AND, UM, THAT FEE THIS YEAR WAS $3,865 AND 50 CENTS.
UM, IN YEARS PAST, WE'VE ALWAYS REQUESTED PROFESSIONAL SERVICES.
IT WAS SOMETIMES ALSO CALLED PLANNING ASSISTANCE.
UM, PREVIOUS TO TWO, UH, MY TIME COMING HERE, I BELIEVE WE, WE HAD, UH, $5,000 AT USUALLY AT A MINIMUM FOR, FOR THAT WE WOULD ASK FOR OR MORE DEPENDING UPON WHAT WAS PLANNED.
UH, LAST YEAR, UM, WE AMENDED THAT TO OUR REQUEST FOR $7,000.
UM, SO, UH, THAT HAS COME IN HANDY AT TIMES WITH US FOR WHEN WE HAVE TO ROB PETER TO PAY PAUL AND SOME OF THE OTHER CATEGORIES.
THE PRIMARY THING, UH, THAT WE USE, THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO UTILIZE THAT FOR IS IF WE HAVE TO EVER HAVE TO DO A FISCAL IMPACT MODEL AND PAY FOR THAT, UH, THOSE ENGINEERING SERVICES OR, UM, ADDITIONAL SERVICES THROUGH THE REGIONAL COMMISSION FOR PLANNING ASSISTANCE.
UM, SO WE LIKE TO HAVE, UH, THAT AS A BUFFER.
UM, UM, SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THAT.
UM, MOTOR VEHICLE REPAIRS, WE JUST, WE HAVE ONE VEHICLE.
UM, THE FORD EXPLORER, IT'S A NEW VEHICLE.
IT'S ONLY ABOUT THREE YEARS OLD AND WE DO NOT PUT THE KIND OF MILEAGE ON IT THAT, UM, THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS DO ON THEIR VEHICLES.
WE MAY HAVE IT OUT, UH, TWO TO THREE TIMES A WEEK AND, UM, IT'S FOR SHORT PERIODS OF TIME, NOT AN ALL DAY TRIP.
SO, UM, IT DOESN'T GET AS MUCH, UH, MILEAGE, UM, PUT ON IT AS, AS BUILDING INSPECTIONS.
WE HAVE STARTED SHARING IT WITH, UH, THE EDA AND, UM, MS. BOWERY HAS BORROWED IT AND WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN ABLE TO WORK OUT A SYSTEM THIS YEAR FOR A PAYMENT OF GAS, UM, WHERE THEY WILL ACTUALLY, UM, FILL IT UP WHEN THEY GET IT AND THEN FILL IT UP WHEN THEY BRING IT BACK AND THEY SUBMIT THEIR RECEIPTS TO YOU AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE REST OF THE TIME, ANY OTHER FILL UPS WE DO AND WE SUBMIT OUR RECEIPT ALONG WITH, UH, MANSFIELD.
SO TOUR CLAIM THAT, CHARGE THAT TO RIGHT, RIGHT.
BUT YES, THANK YOU FOR THE CORRECTION.
SO YEAH, IT WOULD BE TOURISM AND, AND SHE DOES THAT JUST PERIODICALLY.
SO, UM, BUT IT'S AVAILABLE FOR HER AND SHE'LL USUALLY SCHEDULE THAT, UH, A FEW WEEKS AHEAD OF TIME.
UM, SO WE GO DOWN TO PRINTING AND BINDING.
UH, AGAIN, IT'S NOT A BIG FEE, WE JUST CARRY THIS OVER IN CASE WE DO HAVE
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TO DO ANY, UH, PRINTING OF DOCUMENTS AND THAT KIND OF THING WHERE IT'S GONNA COST US A ADDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, ANY ADDITIONAL AMOUNT.UM, WE DO HAVE A GBC UM, BINDER, WHICH THAT'S WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO PUT TOGETHER FOR YOUR ANNUAL REPORTS THIS YEAR.
AND SO AS WE GET FOR, UM, WE UTILIZE DIGITAL, UH, DOCUMENTS A LOT MORE NOW, SO WE'RE NOT HAVING TO PRINT OUT THINGS AS MUCH NOW THIS YEAR WE MAY HAVE TO DO, UTILIZE THAT FOR THE, UM, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOCUMENT WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY PUBLISH IT AND HAVE IT, UH, PUT OUT FOR PUBLIC, EXCUSE ME, FOR PUBLIC, UM, REVIEW.
SO WE MAY HAVE A FEW OF THOSE BOOKS DONE AND, AND WE WOULD UTILIZE SOME OF THAT MONEY TO DO THAT.
UH, ADVERTISING IS A, A REAL CHALLENGE FOR US.
UM, YOU CAN SEE IN, EXCUSE ME, I NEED TO GO BY THIS, DON'T I? YEP.
ALRIGHT, I'M GOING BY THE WRONG ONE.
I'M, I NEED, I JUST WAS USING THIS AS MY NOTES.
SO, UM, NO VETERINARY SERVICES? NO.
SO WE MOVED WEBSITE DEVELOPMENT DOWN TO MISCELLANEOUS SOFTWARE AT THE BOTTOM.
AND THAT TOTAL AMOUNT INCLUDES OUR ANNUAL LICENSING FOR ESRI, FOR THE GIS SOFTWARE.
THAT'S AN ANNUAL FEE FOR, I BELIEVE WE HAVE FIVE LICENSES.
UM, WE ALSO, THAT ALSO INCLUDES THE TIMMONS GROUP FEE FOR WEBSITE HOSTING.
UM, LAST YEAR THERE WAS AN ADDITIONAL FEE OF $2,000.
THEY WERE DOING A MIGRATION OF, UH, THE DATA.
UM, BUT WE DO HAVE TO PAY, UM, I BELIEVE IT'S CALLED DATA CREDITS FOR THEM, DEPENDING UPON WHAT WE ARE PUTTING ON THE WEBSITE.
SO, UM, THE BASE FEE FOR THE ESRI SOFTWARE IS, IS AT THIS, THIS YEAR, 9,375.
UM, THAT GIVES US $8,000 BASICALLY FOR THE WEB HOSTING AND, UH, WHICH GIVES US A LITTLE BIT OF AN ADDITIONAL AMOUNT FOR THOSE, UM, ADDITIONAL DATA FEES THAT WE HAVE TO PAY FOR TO TIMMONS.
I WILL MENTION THAT, UH, OUR GIS COORDINATOR, COREY IS WORKING WITH, UH, VISION, UM, AND, AND THEY DO HAVE, UH, FOR A YEAR WE'RE HOPE ONCE THEY GET EVERYTHING IN PLACE, WE, WE, WE HOPE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A DUAL WEBSITE THAT THEY HOST.
AND THIS YEAR IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE LIKE THE FIRST YEAR WOULD BE FREE.
AND THEN, UM, THE FEES FOR THAT, HE'S LOOKED AT THE FEES FOR THAT.
AND THAT'S, UH, LESS SO NEXT YEAR IF WE DECIDE TO GO FROM TIMMONS GROUP BASED ON THE COST, WE MAY BE ABLE TO UTILIZE VISION AT A, AT A LESSER COST.
SO I'LL JUST BRING THAT UP TO YOU THAT WE ARE TRYING TO, TO GET THE BEST DEAL ON THE, ON THE WEB HOSTING.
SO BEFORE WE MOVE ON, SO THE WEBSITE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS NOT OUR IT WEBSITE SERVICES? IT'S ANOTHER WEBSITE.
IT'S THE GIS, THE GIS ITSELF, YES.
AND, AND WE ARE TRYING TO UTILIZE, UH, COREY IS PUT SOME NEW MAPS ON THERE AND THE INTERACTIVE MAPPING.
SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND GET MORE BANG FOR OUR BUCK OUT OF, UH, USE USING THAT SITE.
SO IS THAT SITE INTEGRATE WELL WITH THE NEW WEBSITE THAT WE HAVE? OH, YEAH.
I MEAN, IT, IT, THE IT LINKS TO IT, YEAH.
YEAH, IT LINKS TO IT, BUT, BUT, UH, WITH THE NEW WEBSITE WE ALSO HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, CUSTOM MAPS THAT, THAT ARE DONE THAT ARE INTERACTIVE AND WE'RE, WE'RE UTILIZING THAT MORE.
UM, AND THEN ALSO THE, THE TIMMONS, ACTUAL TIMMONS GROUP WEBSITE FOR, UH, FOR THAT SHOWS THE TAX RECORDS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, SO.
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SO LET'S, LET ME GO KIND OF GO BACK TO, UM, CLEANING JANITOR SUPPLIES AND INSPECTION REPAIR.SO EQUIPMENT REPAIRS, UM, WE JUST PUT A MINIMAL, AGAIN, THAT THAT'S PRETTY MUCH TO COVER OIL CHANGES AND, UH, EXCUSE ME, I GUESS IT'S, IT'S, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M NOT GETTING THOSE TWO MIXED UP EQUIPMENT.
I GUESS THAT WOULD JUST BE FOR, UH, WE'VE ACTUALLY GONE DOWN TO ZERO FOR THAT.
SO THE OTHER ONE IS MOTOR VEHICLE REPAIRS.
THAT WOULD BE FOR OIL CHANGES.
UM, GENERAL MAINTENANCE FOR THE VEHICLE, UM, AND SHIELD WIPERS, THAT KIND OF THING.
WE HAVE, AGAIN, WE DO NOT PUT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF, UH, MILEAGE ON OUR VEHICLE, SO, UM, THE MAIN THING THAT WE WANT TO DO IS JUST MAKE SURE THAT IT'S MAINTAINED AND TAKEN CARE OF.
AND, UM, WE HAVE, UH, OUR TIRES ARE PRETTY GOOD ON THAT SINCE, UH, IT IS ONLY THREE YEARS OLD AT THIS TIME.
AND WE'RE BACK DOWN TO THAT SERVICES FROM OTHER GOVERNMENT.
AGAIN, THIS IS THE NORTHERN SHENDO VALLEY REGIONAL COMMISSION, WHICH WE'VE MOVED UP TO PROFESSIONAL SERVICES THAT WILL FALL UNDER THAT.
UM, WORKING WITH ALYSSA AND MEGAN, WE TRY TO STREAMLINE AND CONSOLIDATE SOME OF THE, THE LIST OF OUR, UM, ITEMS. AND THIS IS ONE WAY WE DID THAT.
I NEED TO DO THIS HERE OR GRANT EXPENSES, MATT.
THAT'S WHERE, WHERE I'M, I'M AT RIGHT NOW.
RICH, RICH, I WAS, I WAS, I'M SORRY.
I THOUGHT I DIDN'T KNOW YOU WERE GONNA GO.
I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT ONE BECAUSE IT, IT WENT TO ZERO FROM 8,000, UH, SO I'M CURIOUS.
UM, YEAH, I'M SORRY, I DID JUMP.
WELL, LET ME JUST DO THE MISCELLANEOUS SERVICES.
UH, THIS YEAR WE MISCALCULATED THE REZONING FEES FOR SHENANDOAH PROPERTIES.
UM, THEY REZONED ONLY A PORTION OR REQUESTED REZONING ONLY A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY TO SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL, AND WE CALCULATED THE WHOLE PROPERTY.
SO THE OWNER, THE OWNER ASKED IF HE COULD HAVE A REFUND AND THE, UH, THAT WENT THROUGH THE BOARD FOR THEIR APPROVAL.
SO THAT'S A ONE-OFF I BELIEVE.
SO, UM, WE'LL GO BACK TO JUST PRINTING AND BINDING AGAIN.
THAT'S, UM, THAT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING AGAIN, WE'LL, WE'LL BE DOING IT WITH A, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WE JUST, UM, IT'S JUST GONNA GO, WE TRY AND DO THESE THINGS IN HOUSE IF WE CAN.
NOW ADVERTISING HAS BEEN A REAL CHALLENGE FOR US BECAUSE, UM, THE RATES OBVIOUSLY HAVE GONE UP IN THE, IN THE PAPER FOR SOME OF THESE ADVERTISEMENTS.
UM, WHEN WE
AND SO THAT KIND OF PUT US OUT OF OUR, UH, BUDGET.
UM, WE'RE SHOWING 8,000 AND I'VE KIND OF CALCULATED THAT WE MAY END UP BEING AROUND, UM, 1000, 1 45 AND THAT'S JUST DOUBLING FROM WHERE WE'RE AT NOW, UM, THROUGH HALF THE YEAR.
SO, UM, THAT MIGHT BE A CASE OF WHERE IF YOU LEFT IT AT 8,000, WE CAN ROB PETER TO PAY PAUL FROM OUR PLANNING SERVICES, OR WE COULD REQUEST THAT YOU GIVE US ANOTHER, UH, THOUSAND OR SO ON THAT ONE.
UM, JUST TO COVER THOSE, UH, ADVERTISING RATES.
LAURA, WHEN YOU SAY ROB ROBBING PETER TO PAY PAUL FROM ANOTHER, ANOTHER FROM ANOTHER LINE ITEM.
SO IF WE BORROWED, BORROWED, SO IF WE, UH, TOOK, YOU KNOW, THIS THOUSAND DOLLARS FROM ANOTHER LINE ITEM YEAH.
WOULD THAT PREVENT ANYTHING? UH, ANY SERVICES NOT GETTING DONE? UH, I WOULD SAY FOR THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, UM, RIGHT NOW, SINCE WE DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC REQUEST IDENTIFIED FOR THE ADDITIONAL PRESS PROFESSIONAL SERVICES FROM WHAT WE'RE HAVING TO PAY REGIONAL COMMISSION, UM, THAT POTENTIALLY COULD BE A, SOMETHING WE COULD TAKE FROM AND PUT INTO THE ADVERTISING.
I JUST DON'T WANT, YOU KNOW, I JUST DON'T WANT US STILL FROM PETER TO PAY PAUL AND THEN PETER DOESN'T GET THE JOB DONE.
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WE MOVE MONEY OVER TO PAUL.SO OF ALL OF THEM, THAT WOULD BE THE, THE ONE THAT I WOULD TAKE FROM.
SO JUST AT THIS POINT IN TIME, SO PETER WILL HAVE TO WAIT.
UM, DUES AND MEMBERSHIPS, I THINK WE ACTUALLY MOVED THAT, UH, DOWN SOMEWHERE FURTHER DOWN AND WE'LL, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT HERE IN A LITTLE BIT.
UM, THE GRANT EXPENSES, AGAIN, I'VE JUST, UH, I WAS INFORMED BY, WE INITIALLY SET THIS UP LAST YEAR BECAUSE FOR YEARS WE WOULD JUST, WE WOULD REQUEST, UM, ONCE WE GOT THE MONEY FROM DEQ FOR THE LITTER GRANT, WE GO THROUGH THE BOARD.
UH, IT WAS A SUGGESTION THAT WE PUT IT ON AS A LINE ITEM FOR 25,000.
AND THEN PR UH, THE, UH, PROCEDURE CHANGE.
NOW GRANTS ARE NOT CONSIDERED THAT, BUT THIS IS A, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY A ANNUAL GRANT THAT WE DO.
AND IT'S FREE MON, WELL, I DON'T WANNA SAY FREE MONEY, BUT IT'S, IT'S UH, UH, A LOW, UM, EFFORT, MONEY FOR PLANNING STAFF TO, TO APPLY FOR THIS GRANT, MANAGE IT.
AND, UM, WE HAVE THIS PAST YEAR GOT $22,000 AND 38 AND $38.
UM, AND WHAT WE TRIED TO DO IN THE PAST IS IF THE COUNTY, UH, THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS NEED RELATED ITEMS THAT ARE QUALIFIABLE WITHIN THE GRANT, WE WILL PUT THAT MONEY, GIVE THAT MONEY TO THEM, LIKE PARKS AND REC AND SOLID WASTE.
SO WE FEEL LIKE THAT'S SAVING THE TAXPAYERS MONEY THAT THE COUNTY WOULD END UP SPENDING ANYWAY.
WELL, WHAT SOME BEAR PROOF, BEAR PROOF TRASH CANS IS ONE OF 'EM.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE PRETTY PRICEY.
UH, DOG, UH, WASTE RECEPTACLES, THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
SO THESE ARE KIND OF THINGS THAT WE DO.
SO, UM, BUT THAT IS KIND OF A, I GUESS NOW A MOOT POINT AS FAR AS THE GRANT EXPENSES.
'CAUSE THAT'S APPARENTLY NOT BEING CONSIDERED.
UM, THE TELEPHONE, UM, AGAIN, UM, WE DON'T LOOK AT, WE DON'T SEE AN ITEMIZED, UH, SHEET OF OUR CALLS.
UH, WE JUST TAKE CALLS AND, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE UTILIZE OUR EMAIL, I THINK MORE THAN WE USE THE PHONE ANYMORE.
SO THAT'S OUR REALLY PRIMARY WAY OF, OF, UH, CONTACT.
UH, THE INSURANCE IS ON ONE VEHICLE.
WE'VE ALWAYS TRIED TO BE, UH, FRUGAL AND MANAGED, YOU KNOW, MANAGED THAT ACCOUNT WELL.
UH, WE'VE ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE WE'VE ACTUALLY, UM, WE DECREASED IT THIS YEAR TO 2000, JUST BECAUSE WE'VE, WE DO HAVE KIND OF ENOUGH OF THOSE ITEMS. I THINK THE OTHER THING IS, IS WE HAVE GOTTEN AWAY FROM USING A LOT OF PAPER.
WE'RE TRYING TO UTILIZE, AGAIN, THE DIGITAL, UH, DOCUMENTS MORE, UM, FOOD SUPPLIES.
I THINK THE, THAT $77 I SOMETIMES, I WILL JUST SAY WE WILL, IF WE DO A WORK SESSION WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WE MAY FEED THEM.
I THINK THAT ONE WAS A, WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS A, A JOINT, SOMETHING THAT BOTH THE ADMIN AND THEY ASKED US TO PAY FOR THIS PAST YEAR.
IT WAS A JOINT THING, SO I'M NOT SURE, I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT THE EVENT WAS, BUT WE, WE DON'T TYPICALLY USE IT UNLESS WE'RE FEEDING OUR PLANNING COMMISSION AS PART OF A WORK SESSION WHERE THEY'RE HERE FOR A WHILE.
UM, AND THAT WAS TYPICALLY FOR CIP REVIEW IF WE WOULD DO THAT.
OUR VEHICLE FUEL, IT KIND OF SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.
AGAIN, WE, UM, WE'RE OUT IN THE FIELD.
OUR, OUR FOLKS ARE OUT IN THE FIELD TWO TO THREE TIMES A WEEK.
OUR GIS COORDINATORS, ADDRESSES AND ZONING OFFICER, UH, AND PLANNING WILL POST SIGNS FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS AND THAT KIND OF THING.
AND, UH, SITE VISITS FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS AND, AND ZONING VIOLATIONS.
SO, UM, BOOKS AND SUBSCRIPTIONS.
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SUBSCRIPTIONS, BUT PERIODICALLY WE ARE, WE WILL ORDER A BOOK IF WE FEEL IT'S NECESSARY, UM, FOR OUR, UM, FURTHER EDUCATION, UM, COMPUTER AND PRINTER SUPPLIES.UM, WE PUT A THOUSAND IN THERE.
I THINK THIS IS JUST FOR REPLACEMENT OF IF WE NEED TO REPLACE A COMPUTER OR SOME, MOST OF OUR PERIPHERAL, I'M SORRY, IT'S NOT FOR COMPUTER INK.
YEAH, SO IT'S THE INK THAT, UM, YEAH.
'CAUSE UH, IT NOW HAS DONE ALL THE COMPUTER STUFF.
UM, I THINK THAT'S JUST A KIND OF A MISCELLANEOUS, UM, TRYING TO THINK WHAT WE'VE USED THAT FOR.
I CAN'T THINK OF THAT RIGHT NOW.
MISCELLANEOUS SOFTWARE, AGAIN, THIS IS THE, UH, ESRI SOFTWARE, THE LICENSING THAT WE HAVE TO PAY FOR ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.
UM, AND THEN ALSO THE WEBSITE, WHICH WE ADDRESSED EARLIER, AND SIGNAGE.
UM, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT MISCELLANEOUS SOFTWARE FOR A SECOND? YEAH.
JUST LOOKING AT, UM, YEAR TO DATE, IT'S AT, AT ZERO.
SO I'M SUPPOSING IT'S IN THE SECOND HALF OF THE, OF THE FISCAL YEAR, BUT TWO YEARS AGO IT WAS 9,300 AND, AND NOW IT'S AT 17,000.
SO WHAT WAS THE INCREASE? SO WE MOVED, WE MOVED IT FROM THE LINE ITEM FOR WEBSITE.
AND INCLUDED THAT NOW IN THE SOFTWARE.
AND THEN, UH, LAST YEAR WE HAD THAT MIGRATION FEE OF TWO, 2000 EXTRA DOLLARS.
SO THAT'S WHAT, YEAH, WE'RE TRYING TO KIND OF GET IT ALL TOGETHER, SO THANK YOU.
UM, AND THEN SIGNAGE IS FOR REPLACEMENT OF OUR PUBLIC HEARING SIGNS, WE JUST PERIODICALLY WE'LL HAVE TO ORDER THEM.
UM, THEY GET LOST OR DAMAGED FURNITURE AND EQUIPMENT.
UH, AGAIN, THAT'S A MINIMAL AMOUNT.
UM, WE ACTUALLY DECREASED IT THIS YEAR.
I MEAN, IF WE HAVE TO REPLACE A CHAIR FOR A STAFF MEMBER, UM, $250 SHOULD COVER SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AM I, I MIGHT BE GOING DOWN THE WRONG.
MILEAGE AND LET'S GO MILEAGE MEALS, LODGING AND CONVENTION AND EDUCATION ALTOGETHER.
SO, UM, UM, CHASE LINS OR IS, UH, CERTIFIED ZONING, UM, UH, ADMINISTRATOR AND A, UH, CERTIFIED FLOODPLAIN MANAGER AND MYSELF, AND I'M A CERTIFIED FLOODPLAIN MANAGER.
UM, CHASE THIS YEAR WENT TO, UH, BOTH, UH, ZONING CONFERENCE AND, UH, A FLOODPLAIN MANAGERS CONFERENCE IN ORDER TO GET HI, HIS, UH, ADDITIONAL CEUS, CONTINUED EDUCATION CREDITS.
I DIDN'T NEED THEM THIS YEAR, SO I DIDN'T GO.
I, YOU KNOW, I'LL SEE WHERE I, WHAT I WANT TO DO THIS YEAR ITSELF, THIS COMING YEAR.
BUT THAT'S WHAT WE UTILIZE THEM FOR.
AND, UM, UH, TYPICALLY, UM, THEY, YOU KNOW, HE, HE TOOK HIS OWN VEHICLE, SO WE PAY MILEAGE.
UM, IN THE CASE OF, UH, THE TOURISM DIRECTOR, UM, YOU KNOW, SHE USES THE COUNTY VEHICLE.
SO, UM, MEALS TYPICALLY, UM, MEALS ARE COVERED IN PART SOMETIMES BY THESE CONFERENCES, BUT A LOT OF TIMES WE DO, WE WOULD COVER THE MEALS THAT AREN'T COVERED.
UM, WHEN WE GET LODGING, WE USUALLY WORK WITH WHOEVER'S HOSTING THE CONFERENCE AND THEY HAVE A, A, A BLOCK OF ROOMS AND THEY HAVE A, A REDUCED RATE.
SO WE WILL TRY AND UTILIZE THAT.
AND WE DO, UM, WE DO USE PCARD ON PAYMENT OF THOSE.
SO I THINK, UH, IN THE BIG PICTURE THAT HELPS THE COUNTY, UH, AND THE PAYMENT, YOU KNOW, SO, UM, AND DUES AND MEMBERSHIPS, UH, LET'S SEE HERE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE, SO, UM, DUES AND MEMBERSHIPS, UM, BOTH, AGAIN, BOTH CHASE AND I.
AND, UM, DAVID BURKE WAS A, A CERTIFIED ZONING OFFICER.
SO THE THREE OF US DID HAVE, UM, DUES THAT WE WOULD PAY FOR, FOR, UH, VIRGINIA ASSOCIATION ZONING OFFICIALS, VASO AND, UM, VIRGINIA FLOOD PLAIN MANAGERS ASSOCIATION.
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SO, AND ALSO THE A-S-F-P-M, WHICH IS, UM, THE NATIONWIDE CERTIFICATION, UH, BOARD FOR FLOODPLAIN MANAGERS.SO THAT NOW, WHAT WAS THE, WHAT WAS IT IN 23? IT WAS 20, LIKE 24,000 BUCKS.
SO, UM, THAT IS A PLACE, I THINK THAT'S WHERE IT GOT MOVED, THE REGIONAL COMMISSION
GOT MOVED FROM THERE TO SOMEWHERE ELSE.
ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE, WE'VE BEEN KIND OF JUGGLING IT A LITTLE BIT, SO IT WASN'T, UH, AND SO IT WASN'T 24,000 DUES? NO, NO.
NO, I DID NOT, BUT I'D BE WILLING TO GO.
UH, SO, AND THEN, LET'S SEE, WE COME DOWN TO LEASE AND RENTING OF EQUIPMENT.
UM, THAT IS FOR OUR COPIER THAT WE SHARE WITH, UM, BUILDING INSPECTIONS.
AND I WILL MENTION THAT, UM, BASED ON WHAT WE'VE BEEN GETTING FOR, UM, THE BILLING ON THAT, THERE IS, WE'RE GONNA BE IN THE RED ON THAT.
AND, AND, UH, IS IT RED OR BLANK? WELL, IN ANY CASE, IT'S GONNA EXCEED WHAT WE, UM, BUDGETED FOR $800.
SO THAT MIGHT, UH, I HAVE CALCULATED NOW, I MEAN, THIS IS JUST KIND OF BASED ON OUR, UH, OUR, OUR, OUR ACTUAL, UH, WILL BE A LITTLE OVER A THOUSAND DOLLARS, ABOUT $1,100 ON THAT ONE.
SO, UM, THAT WOULD BE A CASE WHERE MAYBE WHAT WE DO IS RE REDUCE AGAIN, PRO PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AND PUT IT THERE BECAUSE IT'S A NECESS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY ITEM.
SO WE'LL GO ASK PETER OR GO ASK PETER.
UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE ITEMS? AND I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT OUR PERSONNEL SITUATION.
YEAH, I'D LIKE TO ASK ABOUT THE PERSONNEL YOU HAVE.
DO YOU HAVE TWO MAJOR VACANCIES RIGHT NOW? IS THAT THE CASE? UM, IT, IT'S, IT'S A ONE VACANCY.
UM, WE, WE'VE HAD A ZONING OFFICER FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS.
UM, AND, AND WHAT WE FOUND WITH THIS PAST YEAR IN, IN, IN MR. BURKE WHO WAS WORKING WITH US, IS THAT HE ACTUALLY ENDED UP DOING A LOT MORE PLAN.
WELL, AS MUCH PLANNING OR MORE PLANNING THAT HE DID IN CODE ENFORCEMENT.
HE ASSISTED IN SOME OF THE TEXT AMENDMENTS, THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
AND SO, CONSEQUENTLY, UM, IN REEVALUATING THAT POSITION WHEN HE LEFT, UH, WE LOOKED AT, UM, MAKING IT A PLANNER POSITION THAT WOULD DO SOME CODE ENFORCEMENT AND ZONING.
SO IT'S KIND OF WOULD BE A HYBRID POSITION.
AND THAT WOULD BE JUST REALLY ONE PERSON BEING REPLACED.
NOW, IN ORDER TO GET SOMEBODY HOPEFUL, WE WERE HOPING TO GET SOMEBODY WITH SOME ADDITIONAL EXPERIENCE.
WE, WE MADE OUR, UH, ADVERTISED FOR A PLANNER TWO POSITION.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, UM, THE FEW PEOPLE THAT DID HAVE EXPERIENCE, UM, EITHER FOUND A JOB OR JUST DECIDED NOT TO, TO COME APPLY.
SO WE ARE EVALUATING THAT NOW AS A PLANNER ONE.
AND WITH SOME EXPERIENCE WE CAN LOOK AT A HIGHER STEP SCALE, UM, OR IF WE DO KEEP IT AS A PLANNER, TWO, IT WOULD BE AT A LOWER STEP.
IT WOULD BE AN ENTRY LEVEL PLANNER TWO.
BUT I THINK WE'RE GONNA, WE, I'D LIKE TO KIND OF WAIT TOWARD PLANNER ONE, GIVE THEM A YEAR, WHOEVER THAT MIGHT BE.
AND, UH, AND THEN WE CAN REQUEST, UH, A MERIT OR AN INCREASE TO A PLAN OR TWO, A PROMOTION TO PLAN OR TWO.
UM, UH, WE HAVE JUST A LITTLE HISTORY IN OUR DEPARTMENT.
WE HAVE, WE'VE HAD SOME TURNOVER.
WE, WE HAD OUR, UM, GIS COORDINATOR, EMMA, WHO HAD WORKED FOR THE COUNTY FOR I THINK ABOUT SIX YEARS, SIX, SEVEN YEARS.
AND SHE LEFT TO GO TO WORK FOR THE REGIONAL COMMISSION.
WE ARE VERY FORTUNATE TO HIRE CORY GRIFFITH, AND HE'S OUR GIS COORDINATOR NOW.
AND, AND REALLY HAS, UH, EXCEEDED OUR EXPECTATIONS, UH, FOR WHAT HE'S DOING.
UM, SO I WAS HOPING THAT WE COULD REWARD HIM IN SOME WAY, UM, WITH THAT.
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SOME POINT IN TIME, AS HE GROWS INTO THE POSITION, IF HE DECIDES TO STAY WITH WARREN COUNTY, WE MAYBE LOOK AT MAKING HIM THE GIS ADMINISTRATOR.HE IS NOT, THE NICE THING IS HE DOESN'T NEED A GIS TECHNICIAN.
HE HAS, WE DO HAVE BUDGETED A, UH, AN INTERN THAT WE WOULD USE FOR THREE MONTHS, AND HE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THAT, UM, TO DO SPECIAL PROJECTS AND THAT KIND OF THING.
SO, UM, WE HOPE THAT HE, UH, IS HAPPY HERE AND, AND WE CAN, UM, CONTINUE TO UTILIZE HIS SKILLSET.
UH, CHASE LENS, OUR ZONING ADMINISTRATOR HAS, I MEAN, I JUST COULDN'T DO MY JOB WITHOUT HIM.
HE'S, UH, HE DOES NOW HE'S DOING BOTH THE CODE ENFORCEMENT AND, UM, PLANNING.
UM, AND HE DOES TEXT AMENDMENTS AND EVERYTHING.
SO, UM, I'M, YOU KNOW, HE'S VERY PROMISING AND, UH, I THINK HE, HE'S REALLY DEDICATED TO HIS WORK HERE.
SO WE HOPE THAT, UH, WE CAN REWARD HIM FOR HIS, UH, JUST HIS HIGH LEVEL OF WORK THAT HE'S DONE HERE.
UM, WE, WE HAD A CHANGE OF, UH, POSITION WITH OUR OFFICE MANAGER, AND PRIOR TO THAT, THIS POSITION WAS A PART-TIME POSITION, AND IT WAS JUST A REAL CHALLENGE TO FIND PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO WORK THAT POSITION.
THEN ALSO HAVE TO WORK IN THE EVENINGS AT TIMES.
SO, UM, A FEW YEARS BACK, WE DID MAKE IT A FULL-TIME POSITION, AND WE'VE HAD SOME VERY QUALITY PEOPLE WORKING FOR THAT IN THAT POSITION SINCE THEN.
AND, UH, ALLISON HAS DONE A GREAT JOB SINCE SHE CAME ON BOARD, UH, MIDWAY THROUGH THE YEAR.
UM, SO WE ARE A FOUR MEMBER STAFF AT THIS TIME.
UM, THERE IS, UH, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WE ARE ADVERTISING FOR A FIFTH MEMBER OF OUR STAFF, UM, FROM A ST STRATEGIC STANDPOINT, UM, BECAUSE I AM LOOKING AT RETIRING SOMETIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
UH, SOME OF YOU HAVE BEEN THERE WITHIN 10 YEARS.
YOU MEAN, MEAN, UH,
BUT IN ANY CASE, UM, SO FROM A STRATEGIC STANDPOINT, UM, WE HAVE, UH, I'VE, I'VE TALKED TO HUMAN RESOURCES ABOUT POTENTIALLY, UH, GETTING A, A DEPUTY PLANNING DIRECTOR, HIRING A DEPUTY PLANNING DIRECTOR, OR HIRING FROM WITHIN, AND THEN REPLACE, YOU KNOW, UM, POTENTIALLY REPLACING CHASE AS A ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
AND THEN, UH, HAVING, I MEAN, THIS JOB TAKES TIME TO REALLY LEARN IT.
AND, UM, EVEN IF YOU'RE, YOU'VE GOT SOME EXPERIENCE AND NO PLANNING AND ZONING, IT'S GONNA TAKE THREE TO SIX MONTHS TO REALLY GET YOUR FEET UNDERNEATH YOURSELF.
IT TOOK ME THAT AMOUNT OF TIME, AND I HAD BEEN HERE FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
SO, SO IT, IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU GUYS ARE A LITTLE SHORT STAFFED, BUT YOU'RE GETTING BY WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF THEIR JOB DESCRIPTION.
AND ON TOP OF THAT, YOU WANT TO HAVE A SUCCESSION PLAN FOR YOUR EVENTUAL RETIREMENT AND NEED TO DEVELOP PEOPLE UP TO THAT LEVEL.
THAT'S, THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE WE'RE AT.
AND, AND, UM, I JUST, UH, WE, WE'VE, WHEN TARYN WAS HERE, WHEN LOGAN WAS HERE, UM, PLANNING WISE, WE HAD A PRETTY STABLE, UM, DEPARTMENT.
BUT ZONING, WE HAD, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD TURNOVERS IN THE PAST AND WITH OFFICE MANAGERS, WE'VE HAD TURNOVERS, I THINK IN THE TIME I'VE, YOU KNOW, THIS PAST YEAR, UM, BETWEEN MS. DIAMOND WHO, WHO USED TO WORK WITH US AND, AND, AND MS. MUT ALLISON, WHO'S WE'VE JUST REALLY HAD, UH, THEY THEY'VE BEEN VERY, VERY EFFICIENT AND COMPETENT IN THEIR WORK.
AND, AND, UH, ALLISON IS ACTUALLY TAKING THE TASK, ONE OF DOING OUR WEBSITE FOR OUR DEPARTMENT IS, IS REALLY DOING A GREAT JOB ON THAT.
AND SO, AND THEN CHASE IS JUST CROSS TRAINED AND HE DOES, HE DOES OUR BZA, HE DOES PLANNING COMMISSION.
YOU'VE SEEN THEM AND ON THE BOARD LEVEL.
UM, AND HE'S JUST A, A, A VERY, UH, EFFECTIVE, UM, MOTIVATED GUY TO, TO GET THINGS DONE.
SO AGAIN, I, I COULDN'T DO MY JOB WITHOUT, AND I HAVE NO DOUBT ABOUT HIS COMPETENCE OR ANYONE ELSE'S.
UM, WHAT I DO SEE ON HERE THOUGH IS AT THE, AT THE BOTTOM LINE, YOUR, YOUR REQUEST IS, IS BASICALLY UP, UM, 17% FROM 2024 AMENDED, AND IT'S ACTUALLY 48% VERSUS 2023 ACTUAL MM-HMM.
AND I SEE A BIG CHUNK OF THAT IS THERE'S, THERE'S TWO, UH, UN UNFILLED, UH, POSITIONS UP HERE IN THE, UH, YEAH, THE NON-EXEMPT 35 CATEGORY.
TRYING TO THINK HOW WE CAN MAKE ENDS MEET AND, AND KEEP THE DEPARTMENT FUNCTIONING WELL.
SO WE WOULD NOT NEED A ZONING OFFICER WITH A PLANNER ONE MM-HMM.
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WOULD DELEGATE 25% OF THEIR DUTIES WOULD BE ENFORCEMENT AND ZONING.HE CAN, HE, HE'S DOING ALL OF IT NOW, BUT HE, AS THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR CAN DO THE JOB OF BUILDING PERMITS.
UM, THE BZA BOARD, HE DOES BZA BOARD ZONING APPEALS, AND, UH, ALSO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT.
HE CAN DO, HE CAN HANDLE THAT HIMSELF, UH, ON THE LONG TERM AS A ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
WE DO HAVE, UH, INTENT, UM, TO TRAIN THEM.
AND THAT WOULD, AGAIN, TAKE TIME, BOTH MY TIME AND HIS TIME IN TRAINING THEM.
UM, AND THEN THEY WILL ALSO BE ASSISTING IN WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IT'S A GOOD WAY TO LEARN ABOUT THE COMMUNITY AND LEARN ABOUT PLANNING, YOU KNOW, BY GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
I KIND OF CAME THROUGH A TAIL END PROCESS IN 2005 WHEN I STARTED.
AND THEN IN 2013, IN THAT TIME PERIOD WHEN WE WERE DEVELOPING THAT, I LEARNED A LOT WORKING WITH TARYN.
SO, UM, SO ONE OF THOSE POSITIONS CAN BE ERASED AT THIS TIME.
UH, WE WOULD LOOK FOR, AND MAYBE EVEN REDUCING THE PLANNER TWO TO A PLANNER ONE YOU ON A HIGHER STEP SCALE.
UM, WE, UH, WE HOPE TO DO THAT.
AND THEN, UH, AGAIN, IT WOULD BE A DEPUTY PLANNING DIRECTOR WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT IN, YOU KNOW, HIT ON THE BUDGET.
BUT AGAIN, IT COMES DOWN TO FINDING THAT RIGHT PERSON OR STRATEGICALLY HIRING FROM WITHIN MM-HMM.
AND SO I GAINED SOME GOOD EXPERIENCE IN THAT PERIOD WORKING UNDER JOE.
AND, UM, AND THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT, IT PREPARED ME FOR THIS POSITION.
BUT, UM, YEAH, I'VE, I'VE, I'LL HAVE BEEN DOING THIS, WELL, 18 YEARS, UH, UH, FULL 18 FULL YEARS IN JANUARY AND, AND BEEN, YOU KNOW, IN, YOU KNOW, VARIOUS FIELDS IN MY LIFETIME.
AND, YOU KNOW, I'M KIND OF REACHING THAT POINT WHERE I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, UM, REINVENT MYSELF.
BUT I, I, I GOT A LOT OF, UH, ENJOYMENT OUTTA WORKING WITH THE PUBLIC AND PEOPLE IN WARREN COUNTY AND SERVING THE PLAINTIFF COMMISSION AND THE BOARD IN MY POSITION.
SO I WOULD, UH, I DO APPRECIATE YOU CONSIDERING, UH, ANY PERSONNEL, UM, UH, I'LL JUST SAY REWARDS THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY.
UM, DID, WHEN MS. LOGAN LEFT, DID YOU, SHE WAS DIRECTOR AND YOU WERE DEPUTY ACTUALLY, SHE WAS DIRECTOR JOE WAS ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
ACTUALLY, THE ESSENCE OF MY QUESTION IS, YEAH, DID DID THAT, DID THAT DID TAKE YOUR STAFF DOWN A PERSON IN 23? YEAH.
MEAN WE GOT A, FROM 23 TO 24 IS A 26% INCREASE, AND THEN 24 TO 25 17.
BUT, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE WHEN SHE, WHEN SHE LEFT, NOBODY WAS, NOBODY CAME IN, IS THAT RIGHT? WELL, JOE, JOE WAS, UH, HIRED AS THE PLANNING DIRECTOR, AND THEN AT, AT THAT TIME, I WAS MOVED UP AS DEPUTY PLANNING DIRECTOR, AND WE DID NOT BACKFILL MY POSITION AS A PLANNER.
AND SO THAT WOULD BE THE 20 PICTURE OF 20 23, 20 22.
I BELIEVE IT WAS 2 3 20 23, YEAH.
WELL, THAT MIGHT MAKE SOME SENSE OF THIS.
AND THE 2022, THAT'S WHAT IT WAS.
ED OR ALYSSA ABOUT AND ABOUT THESE, AND IT'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT LIKE THAT SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE.
UH, WHEN I ORIGINALLY STARTED, MR. STANLEY WAS THE PLANNING DIRECTOR, AND MS. LOGAN WAS A PLANNER AND THEN ACTUALLY MOVED UP THE DEPUTY PLANNING DIRECTOR, AND THEN SHE TOOK OVER MR. STANLEY'S PLACE WHEN HE BE, UH, KIND OF MERGED MORE INTO THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR POSITION.
AND, UM, SO THE DEPUTY PLANNING DIRECTOR HAS BEEN MORE OF A TRANSITIONAL POSITION TO TRAIN PEOPLE UP.
FOR EVENTUAL, UH, MY LAST, MY EXCUSE, MY LAST QUESTION IS, UM, ON THE, THE, THE 0.64 NUMBER ON THE GROWTH THING.
IS YOUR, IS THE LOADING IN YOUR DEPARTMENT HIGHLY CORRELATED WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT OR MILDLY CORRELATED? 'CAUSE I KNOW YOU'VE GOT ALL SORTS OF THINGS LIKE THE CUPS AND ALL THAT.
BUT YEAH, WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS IF, IF WE GET BACK TO 1% OR A LITTLE OVER 1%, OR HOW'S THAT GONNA AFFECT YOUR, YOU'RE ALREADY DOWN ONE PERSON, YOU'RE SAYING IF WE, IF WE WENT FROM SAY, 0.64
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TO 1.2% GROWTH YEAH.HOW, HOW WOULD THAT, WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE FOR YOU? UH, I, I THINK OUR, OUR APPLICATIONS, UH, ARE PRETTY STEADY.
LAST YEAR, WE HAD FOUR REZONINGS IN ONE YEAR, AND I'VE NEVER HAD THAT AMOUNT OF REZONINGS IN THE TIME I'VE BEEN HERE.
UM, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN CORRELATION TO THAT IS IF WE LOOK AT, IF, IF A PLANNED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT CAME IN AND, AND, YOU KNOW, A, A SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENT THAT CAME IN AND WAS APPROVED, THEN IT WOULD BE A LOT OF WORK FOR US INITIALLY.
BUT THEN ONCE THAT DEVELOPMENT GOT OFF THE GROUND, THEN BUILDING INSPECTIONS IS GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF WORK.
UH, WHEN THEY WERE FINISHING UP BLUE RIDGE SHADOWS, THAT WAS THE CASE.
THERE WAS A LOT OF WORK FOR, FOR THEM TO DO, AND NOT SO MUCH FOR US.
WE HAD KIND OF COMPLETED OUR WORK.
SO IT HITS YOU AND THEN, YEAH.
IT'S KIND OF THAT, THAT'S KIND OF HOW IT IS.
AND, UH, THE SAME GOES FOR, UM, THE COMMERCIAL.
UH, I MEAN, ACTUALLY THROUGH THE SITE PLAN PHASES, WE'RE BOTH VERY BUSY WITH THAT.
AND I WOULD SAY MR. BEAM MORE SO WITH, UH, THE ENS AND STORMWATER, BUT, UM, ONCE THEY GET THOSE BUILDING PERMITS ISSUED, THEY ARE GOING TO BE VERY, THEY WOULD BE MUCH MORE BUSY THAN WE WOULD.
SO, UM, BUT IT CONTINUES TO BE VERY STEADY FOR US.
I MEAN, THE, THE SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTALS ARE, UH, PART OF WHAT WE DO AS, YOU KNOW, EVERY MONTH.
AND, UH, AND WITH NOT HAVING THE ZONING OFFICER, UH, ON BOARD IT, IT DOES MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT FOR US TO KIND OF FOLLOW UP AND MAKE SURE THAT ALL THOSE ARE IN COMPLIANCE.
WE, WE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, UH, I MEAN, UH, MR. BURKE WOULD FOLLOW UP AFTER THE APPROVAL BY THE BOARD FOR THE POST-APPROVAL PROCESS AND MAKE SURE EVERYBODY WAS GETTING THROUGH THAT.
UM, AND, UM, CHASE HAS BEEN DOING THAT, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT HIS TIME IS, IS, IS A LITTLE RESTRICTED IN REGARD TO THAT.
BUT, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE DOING WELL, WE'RE HANGING IN THERE.
BUT, UM, I THINK IF YOU DO SEE MORE GROWTH, UM, AND AGAIN, A LOT OF THAT WILL BE DRIVEN BY ONCE, UH, THE REVISED COMP PLAN IS, UH, IS ADOPTED BY THE, UH, BOARD IN THE COUNTY, AND WE LOOK AT STARTING TO AMEND OUR ZONING ORDINANCES, YOU KNOW, TO REFLECT THE COMP PLAN, UH, THAT COULD VERY WELL, UH, INCREASE OUR WORKLOAD.
WE'VE ACTUALLY TRIED TO START ADDRESSING SOME OF THESE THINGS IN THE CURRENT ZONING ORDINANCE THAT, UM, NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
AND AGAIN, THAT TAKES STAFF TIME, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S INITIATED BY COUNTY STAFF OR AN OUTSIDE, UH, REQUEST.
DALEY? YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP AT ONE TIME.
DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING? I THINK WE'RE DONE.
JUST GLAD YOU DIDN'T PULL OUT YOUR, UH, RESIGNATION LETTER.
WHILE THE ADAS GETTING ORGANIZED UP HERE, YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT THE SLOGAN AND SO FORTH.
A NUMBER OF PEOPLE TOOK ON DIFFERENT JOBS, SLOGAN CAME OVER AND BECAME THE HR DIRECTOR, AND THEN LEARNED HOW TO DO PROJECTS.
JOE LEARNED HOW TO DO PLANNING, THEN LEARNED HOW TO DO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
ALYSSA MOVED OVER TO LEARN HOW TO DO, STARTED TEACHING KAYLA HOW TO DO HR.
SO SHE, THAT'S ON ME, THAT'S NOT ON STAFF.
SAFE TO CALL, AND EVERYONE IS DOING A GREAT JOB.
UM, MR. STAN MEYER ASKED FOR A TWO MINUTE BREAK, SO YEAH, IF YOU'RE GONNA BE HERE ALL NIGHT, YOU MIGHT AS WELL GET A LITTLE EXERCISE TOO.
UM, BACK FROM THE BREAK, AND THANK YOU.
[D. Economic Development Authority (EDA) - Budget Request]
THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY.YOU JUST WANT, I, I DON'T KNOW WHO'S PRESENT.
I'LL, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL START OFF.
BUT, UM, BEFORE WE GO OVER THE, THE BUDGET, I, I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND THANK THE SUPERVISORS FOR SUPPORTING THE EDA THROUGHOUT THE, THE PAST YEAR.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'LL SEE HIGHLIGHTED IN HERE
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IS THE COUNTY'S FINANCIAL COMMITMENT TO THE EDA, UM, DESIGNATED AS AN ALLOT OPERATING ALLOTMENT.UH, SO THE EDA OPERATES AT A DEFICIT AND THE COUNTY STEPS IN, UH, TO HELP, UM, BALANCE THE INFLUX OF REVENUE WITH THE REALITY OF EXPENSES FOR OPERATIONS AND DEBT SERVICE AND, AND LEGAL SERVICES.
SO THANK YOU FOR THAT SUPPORT.
AND, AND WE'LL TOUCH ON SOME OF THOSE THINGS AS WE GO THROUGH.
UM, THIS PAST YEAR, UH, WE'VE DONE SOME COST CUTTING, UM, OPERATIONAL IMPROVEMENTS.
UH, AND I'LL JUST GIVE YOU A QUICK RUNDOWN OF SOME OF THOSE THINGS, UH, HIGHLIGHTING THAT, UH, WE VACATED THE EDA, UH, KENDRICK LANE, UH, OFFICE, UH, THIS YEAR.
AND, UH, WITH THE, WITH THE HOPE THAT WE WERE GOING TO LEASE THAT OUT TO A, ANOTHER, UH, THIRD PARTY THAT HAS NOT COME TO FRUITION YET, BUT WE DID VACATE THAT ENABLED US TO CUT OUR UTILITY EXPENSES AS WELL AS, UH, RELINQUISH A PHOTOCOPIER THAT WASN'T BEING USED ANYMORE.
UH, AND, UM, WE HAVE ALSO, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THINGS LIKE OUR PO BOX.
AND JOE'S BEEN HELPFUL IN, IN IDENTIFYING OPERA, UH, OPERATING EXPENSE REDUCTIONS.
UH, WE WERE PAYING $400 A YEAR FOR OUR, OUR POST OFFICE BOX.
AND WE FIND NOW WE CAN GET A SMALLER BOX FOR $200 A YEAR.
SO WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THAT CHANGE.
SO WHEREVER WE CAN TIGHTEN OUR BELTS, WE DO THAT, UH, RECOGNIZING THAT WE'RE OPERATING AT A DEFICIT.
AND SO ANY DOLLAR SAVED IS FLOWING DIRECTLY TO, UH, ONE LESS DOLLAR THE TAXPAYER IS, UH, SUBSIDIZING THE EDA FOR.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE VERY COGNIZANT OF THAT.
UM, COUNTY'S FUNDING, UH, OPERATIONS, DEBT SERVICE, AND LEGAL SERVICES AS WE TALKED ABOUT.
SO YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE IN THE TOP LINE ON, ON REVENUE, UM, UH, THAT THE, THE MAJOR REVENUE IS OPERATING ALLOTMENT.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE A BIG JUMP FOR FISCAL YEAR 25.
BUT REALLY THERE'S SOME CHANGES BEING MADE IN HOW WE PRESENT COSTS AND, AND INCOME, UH, TO BE MORE TRANSPARENT.
UM, PREVIOUSLY FOR, UH, THINGS LIKE THE DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS AND FOR THE LEGAL COSTS, UH, THEY WERE BEING REFLECTED IN THE COUNTY BUDGET, NOT THE EDA BUDGET.
UH, THIS YEAR YOU'RE GONNA SEE, UH, THE PROFESSIONAL LEGAL FEES NUMBER INCREASE BECAUSE WE'RE RECOGNIZING, UH, COSTS THAT HAD SHOWN UP IN THE COUNTY BUDGET PREVIOUSLY.
UM, SAME THING WITH THE, THE AUDITOR FEES.
YOU'LL SEE THAT THAT LOOKS LIKE A BIG INCREASE FOR PROFESSIONAL AUDITS.
UM, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE IN THE PAST, THE, WE WERE USING A COUNTY AUDIT AUDITOR, AND THE COUNTY WAS MANAGING THAT FOR US, AND IT WAS INCLUDED IN THE COUNTY BUDGET.
THIS YEAR, WE SHOW THAT THAT'S AN EDA RELATED EXPENSE, UH, THAT WE WILL INCUR.
UH, AND HENCE WE'LL HAVE A LARGER OPERATING ALLOTMENT, UH, TO FLOW THAT MONEY BACK AS IT'S, AS IT'S EXPENDED.
UM, LOOKING AT DEBT SERVICE FOR THE COUNTY, UH, $300,000 BUDGETED FOR THIS YEAR IN TERMS OF REVENUE GOING INTO EDA TO OFFSET EXPENSES, UM, THE BOND ADMINISTRATION FEE IS RELATED TO ROYAL ARMS APARTMENTS.
UH, WE GET A, A BOND PAYMENT ON THAT EACH YEAR.
UM, AND WE ALSO MANAGE, UH, TWO SMALL BUSINESS LOAN FUNDS, UH, WHICH ARE SEPARATE AND NEED TO REMAIN SEPARATE.
UH, THAT MONEY IS NOT MIXED WITH ANY OTHER EDA MONEY.
IT'S IN A DEDICATED ACCOUNT TO FUND OUR SMALL BUSINESS LOAN PROGRAM.
UM, JOE MANAGES THAT ACTIVITY, UH, FOR US.
UM, BUT IT'S SEPARATE AND DISTINCT FROM OPERATIONS, UH, AND, AND THE OTHER EDA ACTIVITIES.
SO WE HAVE TO KEEP IT THAT WAY.
UH, FROM A, A LEGAL STANDPOINT AND FROM THE, UH, AGREEMENTS WITH THE USDA THAT FUNDED THOSE, UH, THOSE LOAN PROGRAMS INITIALLY, UM, RENT INCOME HAS DECLINED AS WE'VE SOLD, UH, SOME BUILDINGS THAT WE WERE RENTING.
UH, LIKE THE, UH, BAR DRIVE BUILDING, YOU'LL SEE YEAR OVER YEAR FROM 2023
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TO 2024, RENTAL INCOME DECLINED.UH, PROJECTING THAT THAT ONE DECLINED.
UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR FY 25.
UH, WE DO HAVE, UH, TWO TENANTS DOWN AT KENDRICK LANE, UH, CCAP, WHICH HAS BEEN A VERY, UH, SUCCESSFUL, UH, PARTNERSHIP WITH THEM TO GIVE THEM SOME MUCH NEEDED SPACE.
UH, AND THEY ARE PAYING, UH, A GOOD MARKET RENT FOR THE SPACE THAT THEY'RE UTILIZING.
IT'S NOT FANCY, BUT IT'S ADEQUATE FOR THEIR NEEDS.
AND THEN THE NORTHERN SHENANDOAH VALLEY REGIONAL COMMISSION OFFICE SPACE DOWN THERE IS ON A LONG-TERM LEASE.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE ANOTHER LEASE, WHICH IS UP FOR RENEWAL, UH, ON PROGRESS DRIVE IN HAPPY CREEK TECH PARK.
UH, AND WE'RE, UH, VERY CLOSE TO FINALIZING, UH, LOOKS LIKE A, A LONGER TERM, UH, LEASE AGREEMENT ON THAT.
UH, IF WE DON'T LEASE THAT, WE WILL LOOK TO SELL THAT BUILDING.
UM, SO THAT'S ON THE, THE REVENUE SIDE.
SO BEFORE YOU GO TO EXPENSES SIDE, I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND, SO THE OPERATING ALLOTMENT OF 1.5 MILLION AND THE DEBT SERVICE OF COUNTY OF 300 K IS THE CONTRIBUTION THAT THE COUNTY TAXPAYERS ARE? THAT'S CORRECT.
NOW, THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE SAM ANDERSON LEGAL FEES, IS THAT CORRECT? UH, IT HAS NOT IN THE PAST.
UH, THIS, WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING TONIGHT IS INCLUDED IN THERE.
AND, AND, AND THAT'S WHY IN THE PAST THAT OPERATING ALLOTMENT WAS SMALLER.
ON THE VERY TOP REVENUE LINE IS THE USDA ANNUAL PAYMENT FOR 21 K, AND THERE'S A, A MATCHING EXPENSE NEAR THE BOTTOM IS, SO IS THAT BASICALLY A PASS THROUGH AND, UH, YES.
UM, YOU'LL ALSO NOTICE IN THE REVENUE THAT, UH, LAST YEAR AND THE YEAR BEFORE, THERE WERE BUDGETED REVENUE FIGURES FOR PROPERTY SALES AND LEGAL RECOVERIES.
UH, WE DID NOT INCLUDE THOSE IN THE FY 25 BUDGET.
UM, AGAIN, FROM A SENSE OF TRANSPARENCY, YOU, YOU DON'T COUNT YOUR CHICKENS UNTIL THEY HATCH.
AND SO WE DON'T WANT TO BASE A BUDGET BASED ON A PROSPECTIVE SALE OR A PROSPECTIVE LEGAL RECOVERY.
UM, WHEN WE DO MAKE A SALE, OR WE DO HAVE A LEGAL RECOVERY, THE EDA DOESN'T RETAIN ANY OF THAT MONEY.
IT GETS PASSED THROUGH EITHER FOR, TO PAY DOWN EXISTING DEBT, UH, FOR PROPERTIES THAT ARE HELD AS COLLATERAL AGAINST THE, THE LOANS, UH, OR WITH THE LEGAL RECOVERIES.
IT GETS SPLIT, UH, WITH THE COUNTY, REIMBURSING THE COUNTY FOR SOME OF THE PAST LEGAL EXPENSES.
UH, AND THEN ANOTHER PORTION OF THOSE RECOVERIES GOES TO PAY DOWN DEBT WITH, UH, FIRST BANK AND TRUST FOR THE, UM, LIENS THAT THEY HAVE ON PROPERTIES.
UH, SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT INCLUDING THAT AS REVENUE EITHER, BECAUSE IT'S UNCERTAIN WHAT THOSE DOLLAR AMOUNTS WOULD BE, UH, IN THE, IN THE FUTURE.
AND WHATEVER THEY WERE, THEY WOULD JUST BE SUBTRACTED OUT THE BOTTOM LINE.
MONEY COMES IN AND WE IMMEDIATELY DISPERSE IT.
IT'S AN, IT'S A WASH, BUT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT AS THE TOTAL THAN THAN A FISCAL YEAR.
SO LOOKING AT THE EXPENDITURES, THAT'S PROBABLY THE MORE MEANINGFUL PART THAT YOU'RE GONNA WANT TO, UM, FOCUS ON.
LAST YEAR WAS THE FIRST YEAR THAT THE EDA BOARD WAS COMPENSATED FOR MEETINGS.
UM, AND THAT IS, UH, THAT BUDGET IS CARRIED FORWARD FOR, UH, THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
IT'S A HUNDRED DOLLARS PER BOARD MEMBER PER SCHEDULED MEETING.
AND WE HAVE 11 SCHEDULED MEETINGS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
UM, PROFESSIONAL FEES, UH, FOR LEGAL.
UH, IN THE PAST, WHAT WAS PRESENTED THERE WAS SIMPLY THE, UH, EDA GENERAL COUNSEL COST, UH, WHICH WE'RE FINDING, UM, WAS NOT ADEQUATELY BUDGETED.
UH, FOR THIS YEAR, WE'VE GREATLY OVERRUN THAT BUDGET, UM, WITH THE NUMBER OF PROPERTY SALES THAT WE'VE HAD AND, AND OTHER, UH, ACTIVITIES.
UH, WE'VE HAD TO ENGAGE OUR, UH, LEGAL COUNSEL ON A LOT MORE THAN WE HAD ANTICIPATED.
UH, SO FOR THE COMING YEAR, UH, WE'RE ANTICIPATING THAT THAT WOULD BE $80,000
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FOR GENERAL COUNSEL.AND THEN THE REMAINDER, THERE IS ANTICIPATED LITIGATION COSTS.
WE STILL HAVE SOME OUTSTANDING, UH, LAWSUITS, UH, THINGS THAT ARE STILL IN PROGRESS.
FEDERAL AND KURT TRAN, WE'VE NOT CLOSED OUT WITH SOME OF THE OTHER LITIGANTS FROM, UH, THE JENNIFER MCDONALD ET AL, UM, ACTIVITIES.
UH, AND WE STILL HAVE SOME, UH, TWO OUTSTANDING ACT INACTIVE, BUT OUTSTANDING LAWSUITS WITH THE TOWN THAT ARE NOT RESOLVED.
UM, AND WE HAVE DEBT COLLECTIONS WHERE WE'VE ENGAGED ATTORNEYS TO, UH, PROCEED WITH DEBT COLLECTION.
SO, SO THAT, THAT MAKES UP TO 500, THAT MAKES UP 80 FOR YOUR NORMAL COUNSEL.
NORMAL STUFF, FOUR 20 FOR ALL THAT OTHER STUFF.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE ANTICIPATE WOULD BE NEEDED.
UM, THEN, UH, IN THE PAST, WE'VE, UH, WE'VE TALKED WITH THE BOARD ABOUT, UH, INCLUDING, UH, MONEY FOR A MARKETING PROGRAM.
AND LAST YEAR THAT WAS, THAT DIDN'T MAKE THE CUT LAST YEAR.
UH, SO THIS YEAR'S BUDGET REQUEST INCLUDES MONEY FOR MARKETING, BUT YOU DON'T SEE IT BROKEN OUT AS MARKETING, UH, BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A LINE ON 'EM FOR THAT.
AND I'LL HIGHLIGHT WHERE THOSE, UH, WHERE THOSE MARKETING DOLLARS ARE ALLOCATED HERE.
UM, IT'S LISTED UNDER ADVERTISING, WHICH WOULD BE BOTH PRINT AND DIGITAL MEDIA ADVERTISING.
UH, IT'S ALSO IN THE PROSPECT EXPENSES, WHICH WOULD COVER ANTICIPATED OR POTENTIAL BROKER FEES AND COMMISSIONS, UH, FOR, IF WE HAVE A, A PROPERTY WHERE WE NEED TO ENGAGE A REAL ESTATE BROKER, UH, THEY DON'T WORK FOR FREE, SO WE WOULD HAVE TO BE ABLE TO FUND THOSE ACTIVITIES.
UM, SO BEFORE WE MOVE ON, I'M SORRY.
MAYBE I MISSED THE PROFESSIONAL FEES FOR THE AUDITOR OF 80 4K, I'M SORRY.
UM, THAT IN THE PAST WAS INCLUDED IN COUNTY BUDGET.
WE BROKE IT OUT AND, AND PRESENTED IT HERE SO IT'S CLEAR WHAT THE ADA'S AUDIT EXPENSES ARE ANTICIPATED TO BE.
UM, THIS PAST YEAR, WE FINISHED THE 2019 AUDIT, UH, 2020 THROUGH 24, UH, HAVE NOT BEEN DONE YET AND NEED TO BE DONE.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE? SO, UM, THE, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S FISCALLY MANDATED THAT WE BE ABLE TO, UH, HAVE OUR BOOKS AUDITED.
AND, UH, I KNOW AFTER THE, UH, THE SCANDALS OF THE PAST MM-HMM.
SO THEY AUDITED THROUGH THE MAIN SCANDAL.
FOR, I DON'T, I DON'T EVEN, WE'VE LOST TRACK OF WHEN ALL THE WORST STUFF HAPPENED.
IF I MAY, IN, UM, DECEMBER OF 18, WHEN THE SCANDAL BROKE DECEMBER 18.
JENNIFER TOLD THE EDA THAT THE AUDITOR WAS NOT ABLE TO COMPLETE THEIR WORK FOR, FOR 18, OR FOR 17, FOR, FOR FISCAL.
AND WE WERE TOLD, UH, THROUGH OUR INTERIM, JOHNNY ANZANO, THE AUDITOR KEPT TELLING US IN JANUARY, FEBRUARY, MARCH OF 19, THAT THEY WOULD GET IT DONE.
UH, I MAY BE A MONTH OFF, SIR, BUT APPROXIMATELY THE 1ST OF APRIL, THE AUDITOR TOLD US THEY WERE NOT GOING TO DO IT.
AND THAT HAS BEEN RESOLVED IN THE LEGAL MATTERS.
SO THE BOARD THEN, UH, WENT TO WORK TO FIND ANOTHER AUDITOR.
AND WE WERE ABLE, ABOUT A YEAR LATER, SIR, IN THE SPRING OF 20, WE WERE ABLE TO CONTRACT WITH BROWN EDWARDS.
AND BROWN EDWARDS DID THE AUDIT FOR FY 18 AND FY 19.
AND IN THAT PROCESS, WE AGREED WITH THE COUNTY, AND THERE'S A LITTLE AGREEMENT THAT ALL FUNDS WOULD BE TRANSFERRED TO THE TRI COUNTY TREASURER AND ALL PAYMENTS MADE, ET CETERA.
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THE ISSUE BECAME IN THE FALL OF JULY, AUGUST, SEPTEMBER, THAT HAS ALL THE MONEY BEEN TRANSFERRED.WELL, THERE WAS THIS ACCOUNT AND THERE WAS THAT ACCOUNT.
AND IT TOOK A WHILE TO FIND ALL OF THOSE ACCOUNTS AND GET THEM ALL IN ONE PLACE OVER AT THE COUNTY TREASURER.
THAT TOOK SEVERAL MONTHS UNTIL SEPTEMBER OF THAT 19.
SO THEN BROWN EDWARDS WENT TO WORK, AND IN 21, THEY GAVE US THE AUDIT FOR 18 AND 19.
WHEN WE WENT BACK WHEN THE COUNTY THEN, AS THE FISCAL AGENT WENT BACK IN 20 TO THE AUDITOR, TO THE COUNTY AUDITOR, AND SAID, OKAY, CAN YOU TAKE THE BROWN EDWARDS AUDIT, PICK UP FROM THERE AND GO FORWARD TO DO THE EDA PORTION OF THE COUNTY AUDIT FOR 21? THE AUDITOR SAID NO, THAT THE AUDITOR COULDN'T AGREE ON JULY ONE WITH WHAT THE AUDITOR SAID WAS THERE JUNE 30.
SO MRS. SCOTT HAS HAD SOMEBODY GOING BACK THROUGH THOSE RECORDS TO SORT THAT, TO GET THEM TO AGREE ON A STARTING POINT BETWEEN THIS JUNE 30 AND JULY ONE.
I DON'T HAVE A GOOD EXPLANATION FOR IT, BECAUSE IT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME.
BUT THE TWO OF THEM, THE TWO AUDITORS, WHATEVER THE NU WE'VE SAID, WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU AGREE ON THE SAME NUMBER, BUT WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS, THAT'S THE NUMBER.
AND SO THAT'S THE HOLD UP ON THE AUDIT.
JUNE 30 19 VERSUS JULY ONE OF 19.
HOW, HOW BIG OF A DISCREPANCY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? IT VARIES, SIR.
YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES IT'S A VERY SMALL AMOUNT AND SOMETIMES THEY'LL COME BACK AND SAY IT'S A VERY LARGE AMOUNT AND WE'RE BACK DOWN TO A VERY SMALL AMOUNT, BUT WE'RE NOT THERE YET.
SO, SO BASICALLY THE, THE RECORDS WERE THAT MUCH OF A MESS? YES, YES.
WELL, THEY KEPT, THERE WERE TWO SETS OF BOOKS KEPT FROM ABOUT 14 TO 18 AND EVERYTHING WAS COMMINGLED BACK AND FORTH, WHICH IS ONE, YOU HAVE LOANS THAT WERE MADE PRIOR TO 14 ON VARIOUS PROPERTIES, AND THEN YOU HAVE NEW LOANS MADE BETWEEN 15 AND 18 ON THOSE SAME PROPERTIES.
AND THAT'S WHY, AS WE'VE TALKED, THERE'S OTHER PARTIES GUILTY OF SOME OF THIS.
THAT KIND OF THING JUST MAKES EVERYTHING EXTREMELY CONFUSING.
AND IT'S, UH, SO, SO THEN THEY TOOK A, A PROPERTY THAT WAS VALUED AT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS AND THEY TOOK OUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS LOAN.
AND THEN TWO YEARS LATER THEY COME ALONG AND THEY TAKE ANOTHER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS LOAN ON THE SAME PROPERTY, EXCEPT THE SECOND LOAN WAS 200,000.
OTHER THAN THAT, YOU'VE GOT THE STORY, SIR.
WELL, THAT'S, I DON'T WANT TO MISSPEAK 'CAUSE DR.
DALEY KNOWS SO MUCH MORE ABOUT THIS, BUT THIS IS ESSENTIALLY FORENSIC ACCOUNTING.
WHICH IS MUCH MORE COMPLICATED AND MUCH MORE DIFFICULT.
I CAN, I CAN IMAGINE ONCE YOU GET INTO THE, THE 20 21, 22, 23, 24, THE BOOKS ARE GONNA BE MUCH CLEANER.
SO THAT'LL, I ASSURE YOU, WITH THE COUNTY OPERATING NOW AS THE FISCAL AGENT FOR THE EDA, UH, THE, THE STANDARDS AND THE OVERSIGHT ARE THERE THAT ARE NEEDED.
SO JUST CURIOUS, WONDER WHERE THE, WHERE THE FEE ESTIMATES COME FROM.
'CAUSE THEY GO GET PROGRESSIVELY HIGHER, ALL OF THE JOBS GETTING PROGRESSIVELY EASIER,
THEY SHOULD BE PROGRESSIVELY EASIER ONCE THEY AGREE ON THAT BASELINE.
IS THIS IS, BUT IS THIS, UH, AN ENTITY THAT YOU'VE ALREADY GOT UNDER CONTRACT? OR IS THIS SOMEBODY THAT THE, THE COUNTY, THE COUNTY'S MANAGING THAT FOR? IT'S THE COUNTY, LIKE WHOEVER THE COUNTY'S ON.
SO, SO, SO SOMEBODY JUST DEVELOPED A SOUP SAN, I, I GUESS IT WAS, IT WAS JENNIFER MCDONALD, DID ETAL, UH, DEVELOPED A SOUP SANDWICH AND ON PURPOSE SO THAT THE, THEY OBFUSCATE EVERYTHING.
AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO UN OBFUSCATE.
SO BE BEFORE YOU MOVE ON, UM, UH, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
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SAY 2018 AND 2019 AUDIT EDA AUDITS ARE COMPLETED AND APPROVED BY THE EDA BOARD? YEAH.ARE THEY, THEY THEY'VE COMPLETED AND APPROVED.
SO I'D LIKE TO GET A COPY OF BOTH OF THOSE.
'CAUSE I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR A COUPLE YEARS.
I BELIEVE THEY'RE OUR WEBSITE.
FIRST TIME I HEARD THAT IT WAS COMPLETED.
I WAS JUST, JUST GONNA SAY, IF IT'S NOT READILY VISIBLE ON THE WEBSITE, WE'LL DEFINITELY GET IT TO YOU.
SO FOR FISCAL YEAR 2020 THROUGH 24, WHAT'S YOUR LEVEL OF CONFIDENCE? ALL THOSE AUDITS WILL BE COMPLETED? I HAVE A RELATIVELY HIGH LEVEL OF CONFIDENCE BECAUSE THERE WERE NO SHENANIGANS TO USE THE TECHNICAL TERMS. SO THE 80 4K WILL ALL GET SPENT IN THIS FISCAL YEAR.
THE, THAT'S A, THAT'S THE EXPECTATION.
THE ISSUE IS GETTING ON THE STARTING LINE THAT GOES THERE.
ONCE WE GET ON THE STARTING LINE, ALL FOUR LAPS ARE GONNA GO PRETTY QUICK BECAUSE THEN IT'S ALL RIGHT IN THE SAME PLACE.
AND IT'S JUST A MATTER OF CIRCLING THE TRACK.
IT'S GETTING THAT AGREEMENT BETWEEN AN OLD AUDITOR WHO WILL NO LONGER DO ANY AUDITS FOR US WITH A NEW AUDITOR WHO AGREE THAT JUNE 30 AND JULY ONE, ANYTHING THAT'S TRANSPAC EXPIRED AT 1159 AND THEN AT MIDNIGHT IS THE SAME.
I I, YEAH, I I UNDERSTAND ALL THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE BUDGETING 80 4K, THE COUNTY IS GOING TO PAY 80 4K FOR THESE AUDITS, AND I JUST WANTED TO KNOW THE TIMELINE OF GETTING 'EM ALL DONE.
I MEAN, IT, IS THIS A PHASE IN APPROACH? YOU KNOW, FISCAL YEAR 20, 20 20 IS THIS YEAR AND THEN NEXT YEAR'S GONNA 20 20, 21.
AND I MEAN, WHAT'S THE PHASE IN APPROACH? I MEAN, WHEN WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO REDUCE SOME BUDGET HERE, IF NOT ALL OF THESE, UM, UH, AUDITS WILL BE COMPLETED.
THE GOAL IS TO HAVE ALL OF THESE AUDITS COMPLETED, LINE LINE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.
UM, ONCE WE HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW CLOSE WE'RE TO THAT WE'LL HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW QUICKLY THESE OTHER AUDITS CAN GET COMPLETED.
UM, SO WILL WE GET TO THAT BASELINE BEFORE FISCAL YEAR 25 STARTS? NO, WE'RE BEING PRETTY AGGRESSIVE.
WE WILL NOT BE AT THE POINT WHERE WE CAN SAY IT WILL COST THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY BEFORE YOU ADOPT YOUR BUDGET FAIR.
WELL, I I IT WILL BE IN AN AMENDMENT SOMETIME LATER IN THE YEAR.
I, I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING AT PUTTING A BUDGET IN A BOX AND THIS, AND I SEE THIS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO, TO DO SOMETHING, BUT, UM, BUT IF YOUR LEVEL OF CONFIDENCE IS HIGH THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO SPEND 80 4K NO, IT'S NOT IN FISCAL YEAR 25.
I'LL JUST MAKE ONE OTHER COMMENT ON THAT BEFORE GOING BACK TO MARKETING.
AND, AND THAT IS, THE COUNTY SERVES AS OUR FISCAL AGENT.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING TO THE COUNTY TO TELL US WHAT THOSE PROJECTED COSTS ARE.
UH, THAT, UH, FISCAL AGENCY MOU EXPIRES JUNE 30TH OF THIS YEAR, THIS CALENDAR YEAR.
JUST F JUST SO YOU KNOW, THAT'S GONNA NEED TO BE RENEGOTIATED OR REESTABLISHED BETWEEN THE EDA AND, AND THE COUNTY.
AND WHAT IS THAT AGREEMENT, UH, FOR, FOR THE COUNTY TO SERVE AS THE FISCAL AGENT MANAGING THE FINANCES OF THE EDA MANAGING AND CONTRIBUTING FI MONEY MORE MANAGING.
THE CONTRIBUTING GOES BACK TO THE AGREEMENTS WITH THE TOWN THAT THE TOWN WAS GONNA PAY ON CAPITAL FUNDS, BUT NOT THE OPERATING.
BUT THE, THE CONTRIBUTING, THE MOU ADDRESSES, YOU KNOW, FINANCIAL CON CONTROLS, USE OF COUNTY, UH, SYSTEMS, UH, AND MANAGING PAYMENTS OF VENDORS.
MANAGING PAYMENTS OF, OF VENDORS.
BECAUSE THE EDA HAS NO, NO PROFESSIONAL STAFF TO DO ANY OF THAT.
SO, SO JUST TO, JUST A TICKLER TO REMIND YOU THAT THAT AGREEMENT WILL NEED TO BE REESTABLISHED RENEWED, UH, BEFORE JUNE 30TH.
UM, SO MARKETING A, AGAIN, JUST TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF WHERE THE, UH, MONEY SHOWS UP FOR PROPOSED MARKETING ACTIVITIES, IS UNDER ADVERTISING, UH, PROSPECT EXPENSES FOR THINGS LIKE BROKER FEES AND COMMISSIONS, UH, ENGINEERS AND CONSULTANTS.
UH, WE'VE GOT $48,000 IN THERE.
UM, WE'RE ANTICIPATING THAT, UH, WE MAY NEED TO, UH, TO DO
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SOME ENGINEERING STUDIES, UH, AS WE FOCUS ON SOME OF THE REMAINING PROPERTIES THAT THE EDA HAS, UM, THE, UH, THE EASIER TO SELL PROPERTIES, THE MORE, UH, MARKETABLE PROPERTIES ARE UNDER CONTRACT RIGHT NOW.UH, WHAT WE HAVE LEFT IS HAPPY CREEK, UH, TECHNOLOGY PARK, UH, WHERE WE'VE GOT SOME GEOGRAPHICAL CHALLENGES THERE, UH, AND ALSO TRANSPORTATION ACCESS CHALLENGES.
UH, AND SO TO MARKET THOSE, THAT PROPERTY OUT THERE, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO PUT MORE EFFORT INTO IT.
UH, AND SO THAT'S WHERE SOME OF THE FOCUS WOULD BE POTENTIAL, UH, STUDIES, UH, FOR BUILDING ADDITIONAL ROADS OR ALTERNATE ACCESS OR TRAFFIC STUDIES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
NOW, THE, THE, THE, THE OTHER PROPERTY OVER ON HAPPY CREEK, THAT'S KINDA LIKE MOVING ALONG.
WE ARE EXPECTING THAT WE ARE GOING TO CLOSE THAT, UM, CLOSE NEXT FRIDAY.
AND WE ALSO ASK THAT COMMITTEE, THE OTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WILL BE SETTLING AFTER YOU ALL HOPEFULLY APPROVE THE C AT YOUR MEETING IN MARCH.
AND THEN THE CONTRACT READ, THEY SETTLE WITHIN FIVE DAYS AFTER THAT APPROVAL.
SO THE SECOND, SO THE SECOND PIECE OF PROPERTY, WE'LL SETTLE OUT OF STUDENTS IN MARCH, AND WE'LL HAVE ONE REMAIN PIECE, WHICH IS SCHEDULE TO, UH, TO SETTLE NOVEMBER, DECEMBER, WHICH IS AFTER ALL THE OTHER WORK THEY NEED TO BE DONE.
SO WE HAVE SORT OF OUR LARGEST PIECES OF
DRIVE DOWN THE STREET TOWARDS.
I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK WE'LL DO THAT TO YOU.
UM, PART OF THAT ENGINEERING CONSULTING, UH, BUDGET IS ALSO ALLOCATED TO, UM, STORM DRAIN, UH, WORK.
WE HAVE A FIVE ACRE SITE UP AT STEVENS INDUSTRIAL PARK THAT IS SADLY IN NEED OF SOME, UH, ATTENTION.
UH, IT'S A FIVE ACRE RETENTION POND, UH, SITE, UH, THAT HAS BEEN NEGLECTED FOR 20 OR 30 YEARS.
IT'S GOT TREES GROWING IN IT, UH, IT NEEDS SOME ATTENTION.
AND SO WE'VE GOT SOME OTHER AREAS WHERE THERE'S SOME STORMWATER, UH, ABATEMENT THAT NEEDS TO BE, UH, ADDRESSED.
UH, AND SO PART OF THAT 48,000, UH, IS FOR NEW PROPERTIES THAT WE'RE ACT ACTIVELY TRYING TO MARKET, I WOULD SAY JUST ALLOCATING THAT, I WOULD TELL YOU OF THE 48, UH, 28,000 WOULD BE OUR BALLPARK OF WHAT WE WOULD SPEND ON PROPERTIES THAT WE WOULD LOOK TO SELL.
AND THEN 20,000 ON PROPERTIES THAT WE OWN THAT ARE NOT, UH, NOT MARKETABLE, BUT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
UM, AND THEN, UH, THE, TO ROUND OUT, UH, THE MARKETING EFFORTS, THERE'S PRINTING AND POSTAGE.
UM, THERE IS STILL SOME, UH, ACTIVITY FOR OLD, UM, PRINTING INFORMATION AND SENDING IT OUT BY DIRECT MAIL.
UH, SO WE MAY DO SOME OF THAT.
UH, AND WE ALSO MAY DO SOME DIGITAL MARKETING, UH, AND SOME ENHANCEMENTS TO, UM, OUR WEB, UH, CONTENT.
UM, OTHER THINGS THAT WILL JUMP OUT AT YOU.
IF YOU LOOK AT DUES IN SUBSCRIPTIONS, YOU SEE $6,000 THERE.
AND, AND, UM, YOU, YOU DON'T SEE SUCH A BIG NUMBER IN THE 20.
YOU SEE NOTHING IN 2023 IN, UH, A MUCH SMALLER NUMBER FOR 2024.
UM, WHAT WE, UH, CAME TO REALIZE IS THAT SINCE THE EDA OWNS OVER 75 LOTS OVER ON THE WEST BANK OF THE RIVER ACROSS FROM THE AVTEC SITE, THE, THOSE ARE PART OF THE AVTEC, UH, PROPERTY THAT'S UNDER CONSENT DECREE.
UM, WE'RE THE OWNERS OF LOTS OF LOTS OVER THERE.
UH, THE RIVERMONT ACRES, UH, P-O-A-E-D-A OWES DUES ON THOSE.
UH, IT'S $3,000 A YEAR IN DUES DUE ON JULY ONE.
UH, WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT MONEY BUDGETED FOR, UH, THIS FISCAL YEAR.
UM, SO WE'RE SEEKING $6,000, UH, SO THAT COME JULY ONE, WE CAN PAY FY 24 AND FY 25 AND BE UP CAUGHT UP TO, TO SPEED WITH THEM.
AND THEN GOING FORWARD, IT WOULD BE AROUND $3,000 A
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YEAR, UH, UNTIL THE EDA IS ABLE TO, UH, DETERMINE HOW TO OFFLOAD THOSE PROPERTIES TO SOMEONE.UH, AND, AND THAT MONEY GOES INTO THEIR ROAD MAINTENANCE, WHICH THEY DESPERATELY MEAN.
ARE THOSE PROPERTIES ENCUMBERED BY, UH, EPA RESTRICTIONS? THEY ARE.
IT MAKES IT VERY HARD TO DO ANYTHING WITH THEM.
IS THERE ANY WAY TO JUST GIVE IT AWAY TO SOME CONSERVANCY OR ANYTHING? UM, 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S A LIABILITY PAYING THOSE POA FEES.
WE, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE, THE EDA HAS LOOKED AT.
UH, OUR ASSET COMMITTEE, IT'S BEEN A LOWER PRIORITY ITEM, UH, FOR US BECAUSE IT'S NOT REVENUE GENERATING, BUT IT WOULD RESULT IN SOME COST REDUCTIONS.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UH, I THINK FOUR ACTIVE TEST WELLS OVER THERE.
AND THEN, UH, YOU CAN'T BUILD ON IT.
YOU CAN'T DRILL A NEW WELL FOR WATER.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF, UM, HOMEOWNERS ON THAT SIDE, UH, AND THEY WERE GRANDFATHERED IN, UH, AND THEY HAD, THEY HAVE TO HAVE THEIR WATER BROUGHT INTO THEM.
IT'S, UM, DIFFICULT TO DO ANYTHING WITH IT.
UM, CAN THEY BE USED AS, UM, CAMPSITES? UM, POSSIBLY.
UM, BUT ANYTHING WE DO, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING IMMEDIATELY.
UM, BECAUSE WHAT WE FOUND IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE EPA AND DOJ OVER THE CONSERVANCY PROPERTY IS THAT BACK YEARS AGO WHEN THE EPA WAS, UH, APPLYING THE COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS, THOSE PROPERTIES WERE OVERLOOKED.
AND THEY HAVE TO GO BACK AND, AND PUT THEIR REGULATORY COVENANTS AGAINST THOSE EXCUSE.
SO EVEN THOUGH, SO ALWAYS THEY APPLY, BUT THEY WEREN'T PROPERLY RECORDED.
AND UNTIL THEY RECORD THOSE, WE LITERALLY CAN'T DO ANYTHING.
I JUST KNOW PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR, DEPENDING ON HOW CLOSE PROXIMITY THEY ARE TO THE RIVER, LOOKING FOR RIVER LOTS TO, TO RENT, SO, YEAH.
AND YOU'LL KNOW THAT, UH, THERE ARE PRIVATE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE HOMES ON 'EM, ONES THAT ARE PRIVATELY OWNED.
A LOT OF THOSE DO HAVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS FOR PRIVATE USE CAMPING.
SO ANY PRIVATE USE CAMPING WOULD REQUIRE CONDITIONAL MM-HMM.
JUST THOUGHT IT WAS A WAY TO MAKE SOME MONEY OFF 'EM THOUGH.
WELL, WE, WE WON'T MAKE ANY MONEY OFF OF SELLING THEM, UM, BECAUSE WITH THE, THE WAY THAT THE AVTEC PROPERTY IS SET UP, UH, WHEN THE EDA, THE EDA OWNS IT, BUT WHEN THE ED NO, I MEANT RENT SELLS IT.
WE SELL OR RENT, UH, THE REVENUE IS GOING TO GO PRIMARILY TO EPA AND TO FMC TO OFFSET THEIR COSTS.
SO, AND IT'S A COMPLICATED, LONG, COMPLICATED PROCESS TO GET APPROVALS THROUGH EPA AND DOJ ON THAT.
SO THAT'S WHY IT'S A LOW PRIORITY.
MAINTENANCE COVERS, UH, BUILDING MAINTENANCE, UH, AND YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN SOMETHING'S GOING TO BREAK.
UM, WE, WHEN I FIRST CAME ON THE BOARD, WE HAD SOME, UH, BAD LUCK AND WE HAD TO REPLACE SOME AIR HANDLERS IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT BUILDINGS, AND WE VERY QUICKLY BLEW OUR BUDGET.
UH, THIS PAST YEAR, WE'VE HAD GOOD LUCK.
WE HAVEN'T HAD MUCH THAT WE'VE HAD TO, TO SPEND THERE WITH OUR MAINTENANCE, BUT, UH, IT'S PRUDENT TO CONTINUE TO BUDGET FOR THAT.
AND THIS YEAR WE HAVE HAD SOME ISSUES WITH THE, UH, KENDRICK LANE OFFICE.
THE COUNTY HAS BEEN VERY HEROIC IN COMING IN AND PATCHING SOME ROOF LEAKS.
UH, WE'VE ALSO HAD AN INSPECTION DONE FOR MOLD AND MILDEW, UH, IN THE, UH, DOWNSTAIRS OF THE BUILDING.
AND, UH, THE REASON WE WERE NOT ABLE TO, TO LEASE OUT THE OLD EDA OFFICE SPACE WAS BECAUSE OF MOLD, UH, THAT WAS FOUND.
UH, AND TO FIX THAT BUILDING WOULD BE PROHIBITIVELY EXPENSIVE AT THIS POINT.
SO WE'VE NOT A, WE'VE NOT ASKED FOR FUNDING TO DO THAT.
UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO EVALUATE WHAT'S A BETTER, UH, WAY TO APPROACH THAT.
AND IT COULD BE TO SELL IT AS IS, UH, AND WITH THE EXPECTATION THAT THE NEW OWNER WOULD HAVE TO INVEST
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HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO REMEDIATE.UM, JUST THE ESTIMATE ON A NEW ROOF IS OVER A HALF MILLION DOLLARS.
UM, AND OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT IN A POSITION TO SPEND THAT.
UM, BUT WE DO HAVE MONEY BUDGETED FOR, UH, BUILDING AND PROPERTY MAINTENANCE.
AND SOME OF THAT WILL NEED TO INCLUDE, UH, SIGNAGE, UH, ON OUR PROPERTY ON THE INDUSTRIAL PARK PROPERTIES.
UH, WE HAVE SOME OLD SIGNS THAT, UH, NEED TO BE REPLACED.
UH, AND THEN WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS INTERNALLY ABOUT WORKING WITH THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE, UH, IN STEVENS INDUSTRIAL PARK AND AT HAPPY CREEK, UH, TO GET A, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION ESTABLISHED.
SO WE CAN GET THE EDA OUT OF THE BUSINESS OF MANAGING THOSE COMMON AREAS AND TURN THOSE OVER TO THE POA.
UH, AND THOSE ARE NOT HUGE EXPENSES, BUT AGAIN, IT'S LOOKING AT HOW CAN WE STREAMLINE, REDUCE OUR, UH, OUR NEED FOR SUPPORT.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE EDA WOULD BE WORKING ON IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
UM, UM, OTHER HIGHLIGHTS HERE, UM, AS I SAID EARLIER, ARE, UH, WATER AND SEWER, UM, UTILITIES, UM, HAVE GONE DOWN, BUT NOT KNOWING YET WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE KENDRICK LANE BUILDING.
UH, WE'RE STILL BUDGETING FOR, UH, SOME COSTS RELATED TO THAT.
IF WE WERE TO PUT THAT BUILDING THAT THE VACANT PART BACK INTO USE, UM, PROPERTY AND LIABILITY, UH, INSURANCE COSTS ARE PRETTY STEADY AND WE DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY CHANGE THERE.
UM, AND THEN, UH, THERE'S DEBT SERVICE HERE.
AND, UH, ONE THING YOU WILL, UH, NOTE, UH, I'LL POINT OUT IS THAT WE DID PUT IN A LINE ITEM FOR THE IT FEDERAL, UH, LOAN REPAYMENT WITH FIRST BANK AND TRUST.
UM, YOU'LL DECIDE, UH, WHAT TO DO WITH THAT ON YOUR SIDE.
UH, BUT WE NEEDED TO RECOGNIZE THAT THAT'S AN OBLIGATION THAT, THAT THE EDA HAS.
AND SO IT'S INCLUDED IN OUR BUDGET AND IT'S INCLUDED IN THE, UH, THE NUMBER THAT, UH, REFLECTS IN THE OPERATING ALLOTMENT AS WELL.
AND THAT'S $506,400, IS THAT FOR THE FULL YEAR? YES, THAT'S ONE.
BUT WE DIDN'T, UH, THIS WASN'T IN OUR BUDGET LAST YEAR OR THE COUNTY BUDGET.
AND, AND, AND YOU'LL DECIDE HOW TO TREAT THAT GOING FORWARD IF YOU'RE GOING TO INCLUDE IT IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR OR NOT.
AND THIS IS AN OBLIGATION FOR THE EDA TO PAY, AND THAT'S WHY IT'S INCLUDED HERE.
UH, THEN WE ALSO HAVE THREE OTHER, UH, LOANS, UH, THAT THE COUNTY DOES CONTRIBUTE TO, UH, TWO WITH UNITED BANK, ONE FOR AVTEC UH, INFRASTRUCTURE, AND ONE FOR LEE RUN PARKWAY CONSTRUCTION.
UH, AND THEN THE CONSOLIDATED, UH, LINE OF CREDIT LOAN WITH FIRST BANK AND TRUST.
UM, AND THOSE ARE, YOU'LL SEE A BREAKOUT THERE OF THE DEBT SERVICE OR THE PRINCIPAL PAYMENTS.
UH, AND THEN THE INTEREST PAYMENTS ARE LUMPED TOGETHER.
UH, THE LAST LINE HERE, 500,000 IS, IS THE ANTICIPATED INTEREST PAYMENT RELATED TO THOSE THREE LOANS THAT ARE, UH, BROKE, THAT ARE, UH, LISTED OUT UNDER DEBT SERVICE PRINCIPLE.
DOES THAT ALSO INCLUDE THE, UM, IT FEDERAL? NO, IT DOES NOT.
SO THESE ARE JUST YEARLY EXPENDITURES, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION OR NOT, YOU KNOW, BUT HOW, HOW, WHEN ARE THESE LOANS ARE GONNA GET PAID? OUT, PAID OFF.
HOW LONG IS THE COUNTY GONNA HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE TO PAY FOR THESE LOANS? THEY'RE ON A 30 YEAR AMORTIZATION SCHEDULE, SO I, I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT DATES FOR ALL OF THEM.
OR JUST A FEW? NO, ALL, ALL, ALL, ALL, ALL OF, I THINK ALL OF THEM.
THEY HAVE BALLOON PAYMENTS COMING UP THOUGH, SO THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE RESTRUCTURED.
THEY COME DUE NEXT YEAR, I BELIEVE.
THE UNITED LOANS COME DUE NEXT YEAR.
SO THAT'S 500 $1,000,001.2 MILLION.
AM I DOING MY MATH CORRECT, BECAUSE IT COMES, IT COMES THROUGH, THAT'S, THAT'S IF WE DO THE IT FEDERAL AGAIN.
SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET MY ARMS AROUND IS,
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YOU KNOW, THE, UH, THESE LOANS ARE OBLIG, UH, IT'S, THE COUNTY'S NOT OBLIGATED FOR THEM, PER SE.AND WE'RE CONTRIBUTING TO THE EDA TO HELP PAY FOR THESE, THESE, THE COUNTY LOANS IS, THE COUNTY IS OBLIGATED.
UM, ON, ON A COUPLE OF THESE FOR LE RUN PARKWAY AND THE AVTEX REDEVELOPMENT, THERE WERE RESOLUTIONS, UH, TO SUPPORT, UH, DEBT SERVICE ON THOSE OKAY.
IS FROM THE COUNTY, IS THAT, IS THAT TRUE? THE, UM, THE, THE ELITE RUN PARKWAY.
THERE IS A RESOLUTION EXECUTED BY THE TOWN AND EXECUTED BY THE COUNTY THAT AGREES WE ARE GOING TO PAY IN THAT COST.
AND THAT HAS AN OBLIGATION ABOUT 800,000, JOE, A LITTLE BIT LESS, THAT'S LESS THAN THAT, LITTLE LESS THAN 800,000, UH, STILL LOOKING FOR A RESOLUTION BY THE TOWN AND OR THE COUNTY ADOPTING THE AVTEC PROPERTY.
WE HAVEN'T FOUND ONE THAT'S AN EXECUTED WHERE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND TOWN COUNCIL AGREED TO THE EXPENSES.
BUT WAS THERE A 66 34 SPLIT? IT'S A SPLIT AND IT'S A, IT'S A JOINT RESOLUTION, SIR.
AND WHO'S, UH, CURRENTLY PAYING FOR THAT? RIGHT NOW? THE COUNTY IS AND, AND THE TOWN, AND NOT THE, IS NOT, THERE ARE TWO, IF I'M NOT TO DIGRESS, BUT THERE ARE TWO LEACH RUN LOANS.
THERE'S A LEACH RUN LOAN THAT THE COUNTY TOOK OUT.
AND THAT LOAN, THE COUNTY, THE COUNTY BILLS, THE TOWN AND THE TOWN PAYS.
AND SO THAT, THAT LOAN IS CURRENT.
THEN THERE'S A LOAN THAT THE EDA TOOK OUT WITH UNITED BANK, AND THAT AGAIN IS ONE THIRD TOWN, TWO THIRDS COUNTY.
AND THAT LOAN, THE COUNTY HAS BEEN PAYING, THE LAST TOWN PAYMENT WAS 2017.
IS THIS, THE COUNTY'S BEEN PAYING IT SINCE THEN.
OUR, IN OUR INTENTION IS TO, UH, PRESENT THE TOWN WITH A REQUEST TO APPROPRIATE FUNDS TO MEET THEIR, UH, THEIR PORTIONS OF THESE LOANS.
WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK, I, AS PART OF THIS WHOLE BUDGET PROCESS.
WE RECOGNIZED WE NEED A FORMAL LETTER.
IT'S ONE THING TO TALK ABOUT IT, IT'S ANOTHER THING TO SAY, HERE'S THE LETTER AND OH, BY THE WAY, HERE'S THE INVOICE ATTACHED AND HOW MUCH IT IS FOR EACH LOAN.
SO THE COMBINED LOAN, THEN THE COUNTY HAS AN OBLIGATION.
NOW, THE COMBINED LOAN IS FIRST BANK AND TRUST.
THE COMBINED LOAN IS ACTUALLY ABOUT 400, 450 JOE A YEAR.
IT'S, IT'S THE BIGGEST LOAN OF THE ENTIRE GROUP.
WE HAVE PAID THAT, AND WE CONTINUED THAT COMBINED LOAN THIS PAST YEAR.
AND IT'S IN THIS BUDGET THAT WE HAVE TODAY.
THE BUDGET WE PAY BILLS OUT OF TOMORROW, IT'S IN THERE.
THE BUDGET YOU'RE LOOKING AT NOW.
UH, THE PART TRADE WITH THAT WAS THAT THE COUNTY WOULD GET 50% OF THE PROCEEDS FOR MANY LEGAL SETTLEMENTS.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE BEEN GETTING THE REIMBURSEMENTS WHEN THE E DS RECEIVES PAYMENT FOR A LAWSUIT.
SO NEXT FRIDAY WHEN WE CLOSE, FOR INSTANCE, ON THE, UH, WHEN WE SETTLED FOR THE 1321 HAPPY CREEK, UH, THE SALE PRICE ON, THAT'S 1.2 MILLION.
THAT'LL BE SPLIT 50 50 BETWEEN FIRST BANK AND TRUST AND THE COUNTY.
SO YOU'LL GET SOME INCOME VERY SOON.
SO THE COUNTY'S RE UH, RESPONSIBILITY THEN WOULD BE THE COMBINED LOAN AND THE, UM, LEE RUN.
WELL, IF YOU WANT, AND I, I EMPHASIZE THAT THAT LOAN, THAT AGREEMENT HAS TO BE RENEWED BY THE BOARD EVERY YEAR.
AND ANY YEAR THAT YOU DO NOT BUDGET THAT AMOUNT, THEN THAT'S THE END OF IT.
BUT YOU'RE UNDER NO OBLIGATION TO DO THAT.
'CAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER APPROVING ONE.
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WAS, IT WAS TWO YEARS AGO THAT YOU APPROVED IT, AND WE CAN GET YOU ANOTHER COPY OF IT.BUT IT, IT'S A, IT'S A RESOLUTION THAT SAYS YOU AGREE TO ANNUALLY BUDGET, AND IT'S ONLY FOR ONE YEAR.
SO IT TECHNICALLY IT EXPIRED A YEAR AGO.
THE BANK AND THE COUNTY AGREED TO CONTINUE IT FOR THIS CURRENT YEAR BECAUSE WE CONTINUE TO RECEIVE HALF THE PROCEEDS FROM THE SALES.
NOW, ANYTIME THAT THE COUNTY WANTS TO STOP PAYING, IT CAN, THAT'S THE COUNTY.
BUT THE COUNTY IS UNDER NO AGREEMENT.
THE COUNTY DID NOT DO ANYTHING TO SAY WE SUPPORT THIS LOAN OR ANYTHING ELSE WHEN IT WAS TAKEN OUT.
THIS IS NOT LIKE IT FEDERAL IN THE TOWN.
THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION THERE AT ALL.
SO THEN GOING TO, UH, THE LEACH RUN, IS THAT PART OF THE $500,000 LEGAL FEES WHEN YOU WERE SAYING A POSSIBILITY OF DOING SOME LEGAL ACTION AGAINST THE TOWN COUNCIL? UH, WELL, THE TOWN'S NOT CONTRIBUTING THEIR PORTION TO THAT DEBT SERVICE UHHUH TODAY.
UH, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE POINTS OF CONTENTION THAT WE HAVE THAT THE EDA HAS WITH THE TOWN.
SO IS THAT, 'CAUSE YOU WERE SAYING, UM, AT UP AT THE PROFESSIONAL FEES FOR LEGAL, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
AND HOW MUCH WAS THE ESTIMATE FOR THAT? UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE A BREAKOUT.
YOU DON'T HAVE A SWAG OR ANYTHING? I, I DO.
UM, WHAT ENCLOSED FISCAL HUNDRED THOUSAND, THE, THE ANTICIPATION IS FOR THE TWO LAWSUITS WITH THE TOWN WOULD BE, UH, APPROXIMATELY $200,000 IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
AND THE OTHER ONES 200,000 EACH, OR 200,000 TOTAL.
TOTAL FOR THE FISCAL YEAR TOTAL.
BUT THE ANTICIPATION IS THAT THAT LEGAL BATTLE, UH, WOULD MOST LIKELY EXTEND BEYOND FISCAL YEAR 25 INTO THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
SO IT'LL BE BUDGETED IN THE NEXT YEAR, WHATEVER THAT WOULD BE.
SO IF THAT'S 200,000, THEN THAT'S 300,000 FOR ALL THE OTHER LEGAL, UM, ACTIVITIES.
ACTIVITIES INCLUDING THE SAM ANDERSONS INCLUDING AGAINST THE LITIGATIONS, WHAT, WHAT I I CHARACTERIZE AS COLLECTIONS, BECAUSE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, UHHUH BY, BY NEXT FISCAL YEAR, IT'LL BE LARGELY COLLECTIONS ACTIVITY.
UM, WE SHOULD BE BEYOND THE APPEALS AT THAT POINT.
AND, AND THE GENERAL COUNSEL'S FEE AND GENERAL COUNSEL YEAH.
AND ANY OTHER, UH, LITIGATION THAT MAY BEFALL THE EDA.
SO IS IT SAFE TO SAY THAT THE 500 K FOR LEGAL SERVICES, 200 WILL GO WITH THE LEACH RUN STUFF AND THE 300 K IS FOR, UM, LEGAL REPRESENTATION AND YOUR ASSET COMMITTEE AND YOUR BOARD MEETINGS? YOU KNOW, WHEN WE ALWAYS, YOU ALWAYS HAVE LEGAL THERE AND OTHER THINGS CHASING COLLECTIONS.
SO INCLUDED WITH THAT, NOT, YES.
IT'S NOT 300 JUST TO CHASE FOR COLLECTIONS.
AND THEN THE REMAINING A HUNDRED THOUSAND WOULD BE, UM, COLLECTIONS AND THE, ANY OTHER FOLLOW ON FROM, UH, THE APPEALS THAT ARE UNDERWAY NOW? MM-HMM.
DALEY TO CORRECT ME, BUT TO PROPERLY MAKE A DECISION ABOUT ALL OF THIS BANK PAYMENT, YOU'RE GONNA NEED NOT ONLY THE BUDGET FIGURES IN FRONT OF YOU, YOU'RE GONNA NEED THE LEGAL BILLS AND GUESSTIMATE ON THE LEGAL BILLS, AND THEN YOU NEED A BALANCE SHEET, BECAUSE WITH THE BALANCE SHEET, YOU CAN TIE THE PRINCIPLE OF BALANCE BACK TO HOW MUCH IS BEING PAID EACH YEAR.
I LOOK AT IT, IT'S A, A PROFIT LOSS.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A PROFIT AND LOSS, AND YOU ARE MAKING AN ESTIMATE OF YOUR LIKELY RETURNS WITH EACH ONE.
AND THE BREAK EVEN POINT AS WELL.
YOU KNOW, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SINCE 2018, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE THE NUMBERS ARE,
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ARE VERY HIGH, AND I, AND I GET HEARTBURN EVERY TIME I HAVE TO APPROVE SAND ANDERSON'S LEGAL FEES OF ALMOST $8 MILLION.YOU KNOW, WE GOT, TO ME, I SOMEHOW, WE GOTTA STOP THE BLEEDING OF THE TAXPAYERS, YOU KNOW, CONTRIBUTING TO THE EDA TO HELP CLEAN UP THESE LOANS FROM PAST, YOU KNOW, DECISIONS.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE, THE LITIGATION AND THE LITIGANTS ARE DRAGGING THINGS OUT, WHICH CONTRIBUTES TO ADDITIONAL COSTS.
UH, ON, ON A COUPLE OF ITEMS WHERE WE'RE HAVING TO ENGAGE, UH, LEGAL COUNSEL TO TRY TO RECOVER ASSETS.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE DOING SOME THINGS THAT, UM, WE'RE DOING WHAT WE CAN TO RECOVER ASSETS WITHOUT HAVING TO GO BACK TO THE COURT.
UM, BUT THAT STILL REQUIRES LEGAL COUNSEL ENGAGEMENT.
WELL, JUST THE LOANS ALONE, WE'LL KEEP TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR THE NEXT 30 YEARS.
WAIT TILL YOU READ THE SERIAL.
I DON'T WANNA GO INTO MUCH DETAIL THERE, BECAUSE HAVE QUESTIONS.
UH, IT, IT STARTS TO GET INTO OUR, UH, STRATEGY OF HOW WE APPROACH INDIVIDUAL, UH, PEOPLE.
UH, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I, I THINK YOU GUYS ARE, ARE DOING A, A, A GREAT JOB AT HANDLING A SOUP SANDWICH THAT WAS HANDED TO YOU ALL.
THAT'S A POLITE WAY TO PUT IT.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I DON'T THINK SO.
I'D JUST LIKE TO ECHO JAY AND THANK YOU GUYS.
YOU'RE DOING REALLY HARD WORK IN A REALLY, REALLY DIFFICULT SITUATION.
AND IT'S THANKLESS AND, UH, I KNOW IT'S NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
THERE'S A LOT OF SIDE, UH, FIRE THAT YOU'RE CONTENDING WITH, BUT WE APPRECIATE IT.
I, I THINK EVERYONE SHOULD REALIZE THAT YOU GUYS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.
YOU WEREN'T ON THE EDA BOARD, BUT YOU CAME INTO A DIFFICULT ALL OF YOU SITUATION AND HAVE TRIED TO DO YOUR BEST.
AND WE APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH.
HEY, BEFORE WE CLOSE, COULD Y'ALL PUT IN THE, IN THE CONTRACT
I'D LIKE TO ALSO THANK, THANK YOU GUYS FOR, FOR PERSEVERANCE THROUGH THIS.
AND, UH, IT'S REALLY A CIVIC CALL, I THINK, FOR YOU TO, TO STAY ENGAGED.
CLEANING UP AFTER TO THE ELEPHANTS.
I, I, I'D, I'D LIKE TO, I'D LIKE TO SEE THINGS THROUGH, BUT AS, AS YOU ALL KNOW, MY TERM EXPIRES NEXT WEEK AND I'M ROLLING OFF.
UM, I'LL DO SOME OTHER THINGS.
I'LL FIND OTHER WAYS TO CONTRIBUTE, BUT I'M, I'M ROLLING OFF OF THE EDA BOARD.
IT'S BEEN, UM, A REAL, UH, UH, FROM A POSITIVE STANDPOINT, IT'S BEEN A REALLY GOOD LEARNING EXPERIENCE.
UH, AND, AND I THINK WE'VE, I I, I, I MEAN THAT SINCERELY.
UM, AND, AND I THINK WE'VE DONE A LOT OF GOOD WORK.
UH, WE'VE MANAGED TO GET SOME LONGSTANDING PROPERTIES, UM, POSITIONED TO BE PUT INTO USE.
UH, IT'S NOT JUST THE REVENUE THAT WE'RE GETTING FROM THE SALES, BUT IT'S THE USE OF THE PROPERTY THAT'S GOING TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE ECONOMIC BASE.
DEFINITELY GOING FORWARD, WE NEED THAT.
SO WE FEEL REALLY GOOD ABOUT WHAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH, UH, AND THE, THE NEXT YEAR THERE'S STILL A LOT OF, WE'RE STILL TURNING THE UP, STILL TURNING THE CORNER ON, ON ALL OF THE CLEANUP WORK.
UM, BUT IT'S BEGINNING, BEGINNING TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE END OF THAT CURVE.
UM, AND I THINK IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, WE'LL ALMOST GET THERE.
I APPRECIATE THE TIME YOU'VE PUT ON THE BOARD, AND I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LOT OF TIME.
SO, UM, AND I KNOW LISA WILL BE GLAD TO HAVE YOU BACK MORE
AIRPORT, WE'LL BE BACK IN THE MORNING FOR ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO COME AT EIGHT O'CLOCK.
BUT IF YOU'RE STILL HERE, WE'LL BRING YOU BACK.
ANYBODY WHO HASN'T HEARD ENOUGH, COME ON BACK.
[E. Airport Operations Plan - Mike Berry]
UM, AIRPORT OPERATIONS PLAN.AND THAT'S GONNA BE MR. BUTLER, MR. BARRY AND KOLINSKI, MR. CO.
DID I GET IT EVEN HALFWAY CLOSE? IT WAS PRETTY CLOSE.
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WELL, APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE TONIGHT.UM, HOPEFULLY YOU GOT A LOT OF EDUCATION ON PEOPLE'S BUDGETS TONIGHT.
I'M GOING SLOWLY AND SHORT, SO THE, WE'LL, WE'LL TRY AND MAKE THIS AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE.
'CAUSE I KNOW IT'S GETTING LATE IN THE EVENING.
AND, UH, I JUST WANTED TO FIRST, UH, SAY TWO THINGS.
NUMBER ONE IS THAT, UH, UH, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE ENTHUSIASM THAT IS, UH, UH, THAT THE AIRPORT COMMISSION IS, UH, HAS, HAS SHOWN IN, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH THE COUNTY.
AND, UH, WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE, UH, THE, THE INPUT THAT WE GET.
UH, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, NICK SABO HAD MENTIONED LAST WEEK.
HE SAID THAT, UH, TO HAVE AN AIRPORT COMMISSION THAT IS AS INVOLVED AS THIS ONE, IS IT, IT IS A REAL BLESSING.
UH, 'CAUSE HE SAID A LOT OF THE AIRPORT COMMISSIONS ARE JUST KINDA LIKE, NAH, WELL, WHATEVER.
BUT HE SAID, YOU GUYS ARE REALLY ENGAGED.
WE HAVE A SLOT FOR ONE MORE, SO THE, THE SOONER WE CAN, UH, FILL THE TEAM BACK UP, MORE WORK WE CAN GET DONE.
AND THE OTHER THING I JUST WANTED TO GIVE KUDOS TO, UH, MR. KOA KOSINSKI, THE, UH, UH, HE HAD, UH, MADE A PRESENTATION AND WHAT, WHAT WAS THE NAME OF THE SCHOOL AGAIN? IT WAS THE, UH, CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JUST DOWN SOUTH OF HERE, SKY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY.
AND IT WAS ON, UH, AVIATION CAREERS.
AND, UH, I UNDERSTAND IT WENT REALLY WELL.
MIKE WAS THERE AND HE WAS VERY IMPRESSED.
AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THE CASUAL ATTIRE.
I JUST CAME FROM ANOTHER OBLIGATION AND I RAN ON OVER HERE BEFORE I CAN GET CHANGED.
SO I JUST WANTED TO START OUT, UH, I, I SENT YOU ALL THE, UH, THE, THE NOTES FROM THE, THE MEETING THAT WE HAD, UH, LAST WEEK.
AND I JUST WANTED TO HIT THE, THE MEETING HIGHLIGHTS AND THEN KIND OF GO OVER THE DO OUTS AND THEN, UH, MENTION, UH, ABOUT THE PREVIOUS, UM, OH, UH, THE, THE, UH, OH, THE CONTRACT THAT WE HAD WITH THE, WITH THE PREVIOUS FBO AND, UH, JUST KIND OF HIT, HIT ON THAT REAL QUICK AND THEN GO INTO THE, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT, UH, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE COMMISSION TO DO.
AND, UH, THEN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT, UH, THAT I THINK SOME BOARD MEMBERS THAT SPECIFICALLY JOHN VICKI AND I, UH, CAN, CAN BE WORKING ON OF.
UM, SO THEY, THE, UM, NO PRESENTATION.
WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A PRESENTATION.
THIS IS JUST A, A, UH, DIALOGUE DISCUSSION.
WELL, I WAS GONNA GO OVER THE, THE, THE MEETING HIGHLIGHTS, THE NOTE HIGHLIGHTS.
SO WE'RE JUST, SO WE'RE JUST DISCUSSING YEAH.
SO THE, UH, UH, FIRST OF ALL, THE WARREN COUNTY AIRPORT IS A, IS A LEGAL SPONSOR FOR THE, UH, OR THE WARREN COUNTY IS A LEGAL SPONSOR FOR THE AIRPORT.
AND, UH, SO, UH, NICK HAD, UH, HE HAD MENTIONED THAT WHEN YOU HAVE AN FBO THAT DOES THE, THE AIRPORT, UM, UM, ADMINISTRATION, THAT, THAT, THAT IS UNUSUAL.
AND SO THE, UH, SO THE, THE COUNTY STEPPING BACK IN AND BEING THE ADMINISTRATOR, THAT'S A, THAT'S A, UH, A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
UM, THE, THE NEXT ONE WAS THE, UH, UM, WINCHESTER AIRPORT IS THE REGIONAL AUTHORITY, AND THAT THEY HAVE OFFERED THEIR ASSISTANCE ON THIS.
UM, THE, UH, SUGGESTION WAS THAT THE AIRPORT TENANTS MAY ACT AS AMBASSADORS FOR THE AIRPORT BEFORE AND AFTER TYPICAL OPERATING HOURS.
TYPICAL OPERATING HOURS ARE, I BELIEVE IT'S, IT'S, WHAT IS IT, EIGHT TO FOUR OR EIGHT TO FIVE? YEAH.
UM, TYPICALLY IS WHEN JAKE WORKS THERE.
UM, BUT, UM, YEAH, I MEAN, WE CAN ADJUST AS NECESSARY.
AND THEN A FIXED BASE OPERATOR IS USUALLY A BUSINESS THAT IS DIRECTLY INVOLVED, UH, IN PROVIDING REVENUE GENERATING SERVICES FOR THE AIRPORT.
AND, UH, THE, UH, MIKE, UH, MIKE BERRY WILL ACT AS THE, UH, AIRPORT MANAGER, UH, WHILE JAKE IS THE AIRPORT SUPERINTENDENT.
AND, UH, THE, UH, I'D PUT OUT A, A STRATEGY AND VISION STATEMENT AS SOMETHING FOR THE AIRPORT COMMISSION TO START WITH.
AND, UH, AND THE, THE DO OUTS ON THIS.
UH, AND, UH, JOHN HAD MENTIONED THAT, UH, HE COULD REVIEW SOME, UH, SOME DATA, UM, FOR THE, UH, UH, THAT'S, UH, AVAILABLE
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FOR THE AIRPORT, UH, TO, UM, TO DETERMINE, WELL, WHEN ARE THE, UH, WHAT ARE THE MOST ACTIVE TIMES? AND, UH, YOU KNOW, DURING THE DAY AND DURING THE YEAR.SO THE, UH, THE, THE DO OUTS THAT WE'VE GOT, UH, UM, IDENTIFY PART-TIME COUNTY PERSONNEL, AND I BELIEVE THAT YOU'VE ALREADY DONE THAT, UH, TO, UH, TO HELP MAN THE AIRPORT DURING, UH, A NORMAL OPERATING HOURS, DEVELOP A TRAINING SCHEDULE WITH WINCHESTER, UH, AIRPORT COMMISSION DEVELOPED A PLAN TO IDENTIFY AND TRAIN AMBASSADORS IN A WAY TO MANAGE THEM.
AND THEN THE COMMISSION REVIEW AND PROVIDE COMMENTS, SUGGESTIONS ON AIRPORT STRATEGY AND THE VISION STATEMENT.
AND THEN REVIEW THE, THE DATA, UH, AIRPORT DATA TO BETTER UNDERSTAND AIRPORT STAFFING NEEDS.
SO THE, UM, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO MENTION WAS THE, UH, THE COMMISSION, UM, LET'S SEE.
WELL, THE, THE, THE COMMISSION CAN PLAN FOR FOUR, UH, THAT I'M, I'M RECOMMENDED TO PUT THE COMMISSION PLAN FOR FOUR EVENTS DURING THE YEAR.
UH, AND THAT, UH, UH, THAT BOARD MEMBERS, THE, UH, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEMBERS DEVELOP A CHECKLIST, UH, WITH INPUT FROM THE COMMISSION, UH, AND A TEMPLATE TO BE USED FOR ANY AIRPORT EVENTS.
SO THE, UH, AND THEN, UM, UH, THAT THE COMMISSION ALSO REACH OUT FOR ANY TYPE OF REVENUE, REVENUE GENERATING INCOME, YOU KNOW, ANY TYPE OF FBOS THAT WE CAN, WE CAN GET IN BECAUSE YOU GUYS HAVE A BETTER FEEL AS TO WHAT'S OUT THERE.
UM, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT I MISSED? UM, THE ONLY THING WITH, IN REGARDS TO THE, MY ROLE, I THINK, WHICH I ALREADY DO, A LOT OF THE, I HAVE THE MANAGER ROLE WITH FA AND THE STATE, THE OAV.
UM, NICK HAD RECOMMENDED THAT I WORK OUT THERE SOME REMOTELY.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M WILLING TO DO, JUST SO YOU KNOW, THERE'S EXTRA ATTENTION.
IF SOMEONE WANTS TO MAKE A SCHEDULE, IF JAKE CAN'T HANDLE IT, OR HE NEEDS TO POINT SOMEONE TO COME TO ME, HE CAN SAY, MIKE WILL BE HERE ON MONDAY, OR MIKE WILL BE HERE ON WEDNESDAY, AND I CAN SET UP THERE AND WORK FOR A PERIOD OF TIME REMOTELY EACH WEEK IF NECESSARY.
AND THAT'S, THAT IS, THAT IS JUST SO THAT, UH, THAT FOLKS WILL UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU ARE THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS, BUT YOU'RE ALSO THE AIRPORT MANAGER.
YOU'RE NOT THERE AS THE AIRPORT MANAGER.
YOU ARE THERE REPRESENTING THE COUNTY TO SHOW THAT, UH, TO SHOW PEOPLE THAT THE COUNTY HAS A DEFINITE INTEREST.
PAUL, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING? WELL, THE WAY THE COMMISSION LOOKED AT THIS IS FOR WHAT WE THOUGHT WE WERE SPENDING FOR SERVICES, THAT WE WOULD BE BETTER SERVED HAVING THE COUNTY DO IT.
AND WE COULD DO IT WITH A LITTLE BIT OF SAVINGS, UM, WITH THE INCREASED ROLES THAT MIKE AND JAKE WOULD BE DOING.
UH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE WOULD BE A STIPEND FOR THAT.
BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT, UH, WEEKENDS AND HOLIDAYS, WE COULD DO ON A PART-TIME BASIS.
THEN TO ALSO SUPPLEMENT THAT, UH, WE AGREE WITH THE, THE ONE STATEMENT THAT YOU GOT FROM NICK AS FAR AS THE COMMISSION HAD BEEN TRYING TO MODEL OR TEMPLATE A DOCENT OR AN AMBASSADOR TYPE PROGRAM.
WE HAVE THE SKYLINE SOARING, WHO ON THE WEEKENDS COME VERY EARLY IN THE MORNING, DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS.
THEY COME OUT AT ABOUT SIX O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.
THEY USUALLY STAY UNTIL EIGHT, NINE O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, WELL BEYOND BUSINESS HOURS.
SO IF WE CAN DEVELOP A TRAINING PROGRAM AND LOG THAT THEY'VE BEEN PROPERLY TRAINED, HOW TO SECURE THE AIRPORT AT NIGHT, HOW TO LOCK IT OR OPEN IT UP IN THE MORNING AND JUST DO WHAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE PART-TIME FOLKS AND, AND JAKE DO DURING THE DAY, THAT WOULD BE A PRETTY COST EFFECTIVE WAY AS WELL TO EXPAND THE SERVICES OF THE AIRPORT.
IN REGARD TO THE PART-TIME, UM, STAFF, UM, I'M THANKFUL FOR HR.
THEY'VE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALREADY GOT A, UM, AIRPORT FACILITY ATTENDANT ON LINE, UM, THIS WEEK.
AND I'VE ACTUALLY RECEIVED ONE APPLICATION.
UM, AND, UM, WE HAVE, I, I SPOKE TO ONE YOUNG MAN WHO, UM, WAS WORKING FOR, UH, SILENT FALCON PREVIOUSLY WHO IS AT RMA AND HE HAS A CAREER PATH IN AVIATION WHO IS INTERESTED.
SO I BELIEVE HE WILL APPLY AS WELL.
UM, AND I'VE, I'VE, I'VE SPOKE TO A COUPLE PEOPLE, UM, MENTIONED IT ACTUALLY THE DAY, UM, AT THE, UM, CHRISTIAN SCHOOL THAT PAUL SPOKE TO ABOUT AVIATION.
UM, 'CAUSE I KNEW THERE WERE SOME PEOPLE INTERESTED THERE, AND I KNOW THERE WAS A FORMER YOUNG MAN THAT WENT THERE WHO WAS INTERESTED IN AVIATION.
SO I THINK THAT WE'RE GONNA BE
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ABLE TO GET SOME FOLKS, UM, IN APPLICATIONS PRETTY QUICKLY.AND, AND I'M THANKFUL, I JUST WANNA SAY I'M THANKFUL TO THE COMMISSION, UM, FOR HELPING, UM, IN THE GAP IN THE TRANSITION.
I MEAN, WE HAD JAKE THERE FOR WEATHER, BUT, UM, PAUL AND JOHN BURT FOR HELPING US, UM, YOU KNOW, OVER THE WEEKEND, UM, WITH, WITH OUR NEEDS.
AND, UM, TOMORROW MORNING WE ACTUALLY HAVE, UM, WE'RE GONNA DO, UM, SOME INTERNAL TRAINING, UM, WITH JAKE AND, UM, JOHN AND, AND SOME UNICOM TRAINING.
UM, I'M GONNA HAVE, UM, SHELLY AND MICHAEL THERE AS WELL, JUST, JUST FROM EXTRA BACKUP AND SUPPORT.
UM, AND THEN, UM, I'VE HAD SOME COMMUNICATION WITH NICK SABO, JAKE SPOKE WITH HIM TODAY.
SO WE WILL, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY PLAN.
I MEAN, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY WAS OKAY WITH OUR PLAN AND, UM, BEGIN TO WORK WITH WINCHESTER AND HAVE, YOU KNOW, FOLKS, UM, TRAINED ON UNICOM AND, AND NOTICED THE AIRMEN.
UM, AND, AND, AND JAKE'S HONESTLY, I'VE SPOKE WITH HIM.
HE'S EXCITED ABOUT LEARNING MORE, DOING MORE.
UM, AND THEN IN REGARDS TO THE BUDGET, WE'VE DONE SOME CALCULATIONS AND, YOU KNOW, WITH OUR CURRENT, YOU KNOW, CONTRACTUAL SERVICES, I MEAN, I'M LOOKING AT EIGHT HOURS ON SATURDAY, EIGHT HOURS ON SUNDAY.
AND THEN, UM, ED'S SENT A LITTLE SHEET LIKE FIGURING OUT 20 DAYS FOR COVERAGE OF JAKE THROUGH THE YEAR.
AND I, I WAS LOOKING AT JUST OVER 15 K FOR THAT.
AND I COULD SEE, YOU KNOW, AS WE, AS WE KIND OF VENTURE THROUGH THIS, WE MIGHT NEED MORE, MAYBE LESS WE GET TO WINTER TIME, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE NEEDS MAY CHANGE.
UM, YOU KNOW, BUT I THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, BUDGET AND, AND THEN OF COURSE WE STILL WOULD HAVE SOME MONEY FOR LEGAL FEES IF WE HAD SOME.
UM, AND THAT WAS ONE OF MY BUDGETARY QUESTIONS IN THAT BUDGET AS WELL.
AND, AND THEN I ALSO LOOK TO WHERE WE'VE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TAKEN ON THE FUEL, UM, YOU KNOW, A MINIMUM, YOU KNOW, I WOULD ANTICIPATE A MINIMUM OF $24,000 REVENUE PER YEAR THERE, UM, BASED ON WHAT WE'VE CURRENTLY SEEN.
SO I, THAT CAN ALSO SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, OUR ADDITIONAL NEEDS, I BELIEVE.
UM, AND, AND I THINK IT, YOU KNOW, JAKE IS, YOU KNOW, HAS THE CAPABILITY TO STEP UP AND OVERSEE THOSE PART-TIME FOLKS.
AND SO IT'LL, IT WILL REQUIRE HIM TO DO SOME MORE TASK AND, AND A LITTLE BIT MORE ADMINISTRATIVELY.
UM, SO, BUT I THINK HE'S REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.
I KNOW I HAD, UM, SENT ZACH, UM, PDF, BUT WITH THE BUDGET AND EVERYTHING, I THINK HE PRINTED OUT THE, SOME COURTESY CAR, UM, THE PROGRAM.
UM, AND, AND I WANTED TO MENTION THAT, 'CAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT IT IN THE BUDGET DISCUSSION.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, THAT WE HAD IN OUR, AT THE, I GUESS THE COMMISSION LEVEL, THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY SENT A, UM, A LETTER, YOU KNOW, SAYING THAT THEY SUPPORTED, UM, COURTESY CAR.
SO I WANTED TO BRING THAT TO THE BOARD.
UM, WE DID PLAN IN OUR BUDGET FOR THE COMING YEAR FOR, UM, MONEY TO PAY FOR YOU INSURANCE AND, AND WORK ON A CAR.
WE HAVE A CAR, UM, NICK SABO WINCHESTER OFFERS A CAR, BUT WE ACTUALLY HAVE ONE HERE IN THE COUNTY THAT'S A LITTLE NICER, A LITTLE CLEANER, OLDER FORD.
SO, UM, WE'VE ALL ALREADY HAD, UM, MR. HAN REVIEW THE, UM, COURTESY CARD USE AGREEMENT.
SO THAT'S ALREADY BEEN THROUGH OUR LEGAL TEAM.
UM, AND UM, I CAN SEND YOU A COPY OF THAT IF YOU'D LIKE TO REVIEW IT.
UM, BUT, UM, THE, THE WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, I GUESS THE FRIENDS OF THE AIRPORT AND THE WAY THEY PUT THE PROGRAM TOGETHER, UM, YOU KNOW, IT WAS ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT COULD, YOU KNOW, IT WAS, YOU COULD USE YOUR PHONE AND KIND OF WORK THROUGH IT.
'CAUSE I REALLY THINK THAT WITH OUR CURRENT BUDGET, WE COULD PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, PROGRESS INTO THAT.
YOU KNOW, IF EVERYBODY WAS ON BOARD QUICKER THAN JULY ONE, UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD THING.
COMMISSION'S BLESSED IT IF YOU GUYS LOOKING AT MARCH 12TH, MARCH 12TH, TO PRESENT IT TO THE BOARD.
UM, BUT I WANTED TO PLANT THAT SEED.
UM, ALSO, I DON'T KNOW, I, I, I GUESS THIS WEEK I RECEIVED A, UM, FLIGHT SCHOOL, UM, AND I, I THINK IT'S OKAY NOW THEY'RE, THEY GOT TWO PIECES LEFT.
THEIR BACKGROUND CHECK AND THEIR CREDIT REPORT IS KIND OF THE PACKAGE THAT THE, UM, COMMISSION PUT TOGETHER A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
BUT I DON'T, PAUL CAN SPEAK TO THAT.
BUT WE HAVE, UM, A, A GROUP THAT'S READY TO GO.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF EXCITING.
SO WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO THIS GROUP FOR ABOUT SIX MONTHS NOW.
UH, THEY'RE FINALLY GOT ALL THEIR DUCKS IN A ROW.
UM, THEY FILLED OUT AN APPLICATION WITH THE COUNTY.
THEY FILLED OUT AN APPLICATION WITH THE COMMISSION.
UM, THE FINAL PIECES THAT WE'RE JUST WAITING BACK FOR IS THE, UM, EQUIFAX OR THE CREDIT REPORT, AS WELL AS THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION.
UH, THEY HAVE ALREADY PURCHASED TWO AIRCRAFT, ONE THAT THEY'VE ALREADY BROUGHT HERE TO THE AIRPORT.
THE SECOND ONE SHOULD BE AS SOON AS THAT THE, UH, THE OKAY IS TO START OPERATIONS.
SO THEY'LL BRING IN TWO AIRCRAFT FOR THAT.
THEY HAVE THREE INSTRUCTORS ALREADY.
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UM, SO THAT'S PRETTY EXCITING.THAT WAS ONE OF THE KEY PIECES THAT WE WERE SEEING AS FAR AS LIMITING THE SERVICES THAT WE COULD PROVIDE AT THE AIRPORT.
I MEAN, AN AIRPORT IS ALL ABOUT THE NEXT GENERATION OF PILOTS.
SO EVER SINCE I GOT ON THE COMMISSION A COUPLE YEARS BACK, THAT WAS ONE THING THAT WE WERE REALLY FOCUSED ON, IS TRYING TO DRAW OUT PEOPLE TO START A FLIGHT SCHOOL OUT THERE.
UM, THIS GROUP SEEMS TO BE A, AN EXCELLENT GROUP TO FILL THAT NEED.
ARE WE FOR THE FLIGHT SCHOOL A STARTUP? OR? I'M, I'M SORRY.
ARE, ARE THEY PLANTING ANOTHER BRANCH FROM, FROM A BASE OR ARE THEY, NO.
SO, UH, THE TWO PRINCIPALS, ONE IS FAIRLY NEW TO THE FLIGHT INSTRUCTION BUSINESS.
UM, HE'S JUST GOT CERTIFIED AS A FLIGHT INSTRUCTOR WITHIN THE LAST SIX MONTHS.
HIS PARTNER THOUGH, HAS BEEN OPERATING OUTTA WINCHESTER AIRPORT FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, JUST RETIRING FROM THE MILITARY AND WANTS TO TAKE IT ON AS HIS RETIREMENT FULL-TIME BUSINESS.
SO HE'S THE MAIN PRINCIPAL WITH HIS BUSINESS PARTNER THAT'S NEW TO THE BUSINESS.
SO HE'LL BE MENTORING HIM IN THAT.
BUT THE TWO OF THEM WILL BE THE PRIMARY, UH, PRINCIPALS OF THE BUSINESS AND THEY'LL BE THE PRIMARY FLIGHT INSTRUCTORS AND THEN THEY'LL HAVE SUBCONTRACTING FLIGHT INSTRUCTORS WORKING FOR THEM.
UM, MY QUESTION WAS GONNA BE ABOUT FOR THE FLIGHT SCHOOL, AND I'M EXCITED FOR THAT, BUT, UH, ABOUT LIABILITY, UH, I'M ASSUMING THAT PART OF THE VETTING IS THEY HAVE THE PROPER LIABILITY INSURANCE.
AND THEN DOES THE COUNTY ALSO NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING OVER AND ABOVE THAT? UH, TO, I DON'T BELIEVE, BUT I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT.
WITH THE BUSINESS LICENSE PROCESS, WE HAVE A CREDIT CHECK, BACKGROUND CHECK.
UM, WE GO THROUGH A WHOLE LIST OF, UM, BOX, UH, CHECKS IN THE BOXES AND BEFORE IT GOES TO, UH, BEFORE WE, I THINK IT'S THE COMMISSION, IT APPROVES THE BUSINESS LICENSE.
AND, UH, THE BUS OR THE INSURANCE FOR FLIGHT INSTRUCTION IS QUITE EXPENSIVE.
THEY SHOWED ME WHAT, BECAUSE WE HAD LIMITS THAT THEY HAVE TO ABIDE BY.
SO THE MINUTE THAT THEY GET THE OKAY THAT YES, YOU CAN START OPERATIONS, THAT'S WHEN THEY'RE GONNA DO.
'CAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO LIKE A MONTH TO GO BY AND HAVE TO SPEND $4,000 FOR, FOR NO USE.
SO THEY'RE ALREADY ONE, AT LEAST ONE IS ALREADY OPERATING OUT OF WINCHESTER OR, UH, NO.
SO THEY BROUGHT ONE AIRCRAFT DOWN TO THE AIRPORT.
IT'S, SO ONCE THEY GET THE, THE OKAY THAT THEY CAN START OPERATIONS, THEY WILL, I THINK HE'S SAYING THAT HE'S ALREADY IN WINCHESTER.
HE, HE USED TO WORK UP AT ARROW ELITE A UH, A FLIGHT TRAINING SCHOOL UP THERE.
HE HAS STOPPED FLYING FOR THEM UP THERE TO GET HIS BUSINESS UP AND RUNNING.
YOU MEAN THAT, IS THAT AT WINCHESTER? YES.
SO WHERE'S THE NEAREST FLIGHT SCHOOL TO HERE? THERE IS TWO SCHOOLS UP IN WINCHESTER.
A ELITE AND AVIATION ADVENTURES.
THOSE ARE TWO FLIGHT SCHOOLS THERE.
I DON'T BELIEVE THEY HAVE A COUPLE OF FREELANCE INSTRUCTORS DOWN AT BLUERAY.
SO IT'S NOT A SCHOOL PER SE, BUT NOT A SCHOOL.
'CAUSE I, I TOOK MY GROUND SCHOOL AND MY, I I HAVE NEVER FINISHED MY PRIVATE PILOT LICENSE, BUT I TOOK MY INSTRUCTION AT A LITTLE AIRSTRIP, VERY SIMILAR TO THIS ONE.
UM, AND IT, IT WAS A GREAT KIND OF AWAY FROM OTHER STUFF HAPPENING KIND OF ENVIRONMENT.
UM, WE HAVE A GEM OF AN AIRPORT HERE.
IT'S DIFFERENT FROM LIKE MANASSAS.
IT'S DIFFERENT FROM WINCHESTER, BUT IT'S SO UNIQUE.
IT'S A FANTASTIC RECREATIONAL AIRPORT.
WHERE WE CAN PROVIDE GLIDERS, WE CAN PROVIDE SKYDIVING, WE COULD PROVIDE FLIGHT TRAINING IN NOT SUCH A BUSY AND CHAOTIC ENVIRONMENT WHERE YOU HAVE BUSINESS JETS COMING IN LIKE WE DO UP IN WINCHESTER.
SO I THINK THESE GUYS ARE SMART TO SET UP BASE HERE, AND I THINK THEY'RE GONNA DO QUITE WELL.
THERE'S A UNBELIEV, THEY, THEY OBVIOUSLY HAVE A BUSINESS PLAN AND FEEL LIKE THEY DO, THEY KNOW THE DEMAND IS IS GONNA, IS GONNA BE THERE.
THEY, UH, THEY SUBMITTED A FINAL BUSINESS.
THEY SHOWED ME A PRELIMINARY ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO.
THEY TWEAKED IT ABOUT FOUR MONTHS AGO, AND THEN THEY SUBMITTED A FINAL ONE ABOUT A MONTH AGO.
THAT'S A REALLY, THAT'S THE BEST THING I'VE HEARD ABOUT THIS.
SO RICH, IF YOU DECIDE THAT, UH, THAT YOU WANT TO START, YOU KNOW, FLYING AGAIN,
AND YOU KNOW, COMPARED TO LIKE A PLACE LIKE MANASAS OR WINCHESTER, YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA SAVE ABOUT 20 TO 30% WOW.
IN COST OF YOUR FLIGHT INSTRUCTION.
JUST BECAUSE OF THE WAY OUR AIRPORT CAN OPERATE.
AND I'M GL I'M HAPPY FOR THEM.
SO, WELL THEY NEED A GROUND SCHOOL SPACE AND, AND A, A ROOM IN THE AIRPORT OR ELSEWHERE.
UM, SO, UH, THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WHEN WE STARTED THIS DISCUSSION, THERE REALLY WASN'T A WHOLE LOT OF ROOM.
UM, THEY WERE GOING TO OPERATE OUT OF THEIR HOMES AS FAR AS THE OFFICE TYPE SPACE FOR SCHEDULING AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND THEN IN OUR PUBLIC FLIGHT PLANNING AREA, WHICH IS WHERE WE HOLD OUR MEETINGS, UH, UM, FOR
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THE COMMISSION MEETINGS, THAT'S WHERE THEY WOULD DO THEIR BRIEFINGS AND THEIR DEBRIEFINGS AND THEIR GROUND SCHOOLS.UM, THEY WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THEIR OWN OFFICE SPACE AT WHENEVER THAT BECOMES AVAILABLE.
SO AS WE AT THE AIRPORT HAVE SPACE COME AVAILABLE, THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN DOING THAT BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THEY WANT THEIR STANDALONE BUSINESS WITH THEIR STANDALONE OFFICE SPACE.
BUT FOR THE TIME BEING, THEY SAID SINCE WE'RE SMALL AND AND NEW, WE CAN OPERATE OUT OF THE PUBLIC SPACE THAT'S AVAILABLE.
SO, SO RICH, MAKE SURE THAT YOU LET MIKE KNOW THAT YOU'RE GONNA START FLYING AND THAT WAY HE CAN PUT THE NOTICE TO AIRMEN OUT.
I THINK THEY'VE ALREADY GOT THEIR BUSINESS LICENSE WITH THE COUNTY.
THEY HAVE THE, THE COUNTY LICENSE IS ALREADY THE, THE LAST STEP IS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING, UH, LOOKS GOOD ON OUR PART.
SO AS SOON AS I GET THE BUS, THE BACKGROUND CHECK, I'LL DELIVER IT TO DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR OR HR AND THAT'LL BE GOOD.
THE FEE AND THEN THE CREDIT REPORT.
AND WE CAN WRAP UP THE PACKAGE.
I, I GUESS WE COULD SEND OUT, DO YOU WANT ME TO SEND OUT THE PROPOSAL BEFORE AND LET 'EM START REVIEWING IT? SHOOT, WELL SEND, I, I WOULD SEND WHEN WE GET THE CREDIT CHECK BACK.
UM, AND THEN WE CAN, UM, AND THEN CERTIFICATION OF INSURANCE.
THAT'S GONNA BE THE BIG ONE, IS ONCE THEY TURN THAT ON, WE, WE GOTTA HAVE PROOF FOR THAT.
WELL, I, I AM PROBABLY THE MOST NON-AVIATION PERSON ON THE BOARD.
I SAID FROM THE BEGINNING OF COMING ON THE BOARD, TWO THINGS.
THE GOLF COURT AND THE AIRPORT WERE HOBBY HOUSES.
TO ME, IF THEY COULDN'T SELF SUSTAIN THEMSELVES, THANK GOODNESS GOLF COURSE IS TAKEN CARE OF.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE NOW THE AIRPORT IS TOO AND HEADED IT IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
I, I THINK THE COURTESY CARD IS GONNA BE A GREAT THING.
I HEARD THESE TWO TALKING ABOUT HOW GREAT A COURTESY CARD WAS.
WE WENT DOWN TO CHARLESTON TO YOUR PRESENTATION ON IT.
AND I, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA AND I, I GIVE KUDOS TO JULIE AND WHOEVER WORKED WITH JULIE TO, UM, TO DO THAT PRESENTATION AND JUST, I, I THINK THIS FLIGHT SCHOOL AND WHAT YOU'RE DOING, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND, AND EVERYONE'S TIME TO MOVE THIS THING IN THAT DIRECTION.
WHAT YOU'LL SEE OUT AT THE AIRPORT, THERE'S A REAL STRONG COMMUNITY THAT JUST, IT'S A LABOR OF LOVE.
THE PEOPLE THAT ARE INVOLVING THEMSELVES IN THE AIRPORT, IT'S BECAUSE THEY REALLY LOVE THE AIRPORT.
WE HAVE A GEM OF AN AIRPORT OUT THERE.
AND THEY WANT TO SEE IT BE THE BEST AIRPORT IT CAN BE.
AND, UH, I'VE BEEN VERY GRATEFUL TO THE BOARD FOR PROVIDING A COMMISSION THAT WORKS.
UM, LIKE I SAID, I'LL PUT IN ANOTHER PUSH FOR IT.
I WOULD LOVE TO GET THAT FIFTH PERSON SEATED AS SOON AS WE GET APPLICATIONS IN.
UM, IT JUST MAKES IT EASIER, YOU KNOW, MANY HANDS MAKE LIGHT WORK.
SO THE FASTER WE CAN GET THAT DONE, THE MORE WORK WE CAN DO FOR, FOR THE COUNTY.
ANOTHER GOOD THING, I, I DON'T, AND I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY'S AWARE, BUT IT WAS, WHAT, LAST WEEK YOU HAD A TRAINING WITH A OPA AND YEAH, I THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY NEAT.
WE HAD WHAT OUR, THERE WERE THREE STUDENTS FROM RMA.
UM, I KNOW WE HAD JAKE ATTEND.
SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY GOOD.
AND YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE COMMISSION WAS TALKING ABOUT WAS TO SUPPORT THAT WAS, I MEAN, THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT RAISING THEIR OWN FUNDS AND I HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO REALLY DIG INTO IT YET.
'CAUSE THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT MERCHANDISE LIKE IN THE COUNTER WHERE OUR FBO WAS SELLING CHIPS AND DRINKS AND SOMETHING TO SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, UM, HAVING THOSE TRAINING MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, AND I, AND I SAID, WELL, WE CAN INVESTIGATE THAT FURTHER ON OUR END.
'CAUSE THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT.
WELL, AS A COMMISSION WE CAN, YOU KNOW, GET STUFF, DEVELOP IT AND BUY IT AND TRY TO RAISE THE MONEY.
BUT I THINK THAT WE CAN DO SOMETHING SIMILAR TO PARKS AND REC.
I'M GONNA DIG IN A LITTLE BIT AND SEE HOW THEY DO IT, LIKE WITH UNIFORMS AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE CAN START, YOU KNOW, GETTING SOME STUFF WHEN PEOPLE COME IN TO TRY TO PROMOTE OUR, OUR AIRPORT AND, UM, YOU KNOW, HELP WITH THOSE TRAININGS.
'CAUSE I THINK THOSE ARE IMPORTANT.
AND I, I THINK THEY'LL BRING IN MORE PEOPLE AND MM-HMM.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THOSE GUYS, THEY, THEY SPEARHEADED THAT AND, YOU KNOW, THEY GOT IT MOVING AND, AND I THINK IT WAS GREAT.
SO ONE OF OUR, UH, COMMISSION MEMBERS, JOHN BUR HAS ESTABLISHED A REAL GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THE A OPA.
A OPA IS THE LARGEST GENERAL AVIATION ADVOCACY GROUP IN THE COUNTRY.
THEY PROVIDE ALL SORTS OF TRAINING, UH, FOR GENERAL AVIATION, FOR AIRPORT USERS, FOR OPERATORS.
SO THEY WERE EXCITED TO COME ON OUT TO THE AIRPORT AND PRESENT THAT SAFETY SEMINAR.
UH, ONE OF OUR FORMER BOARD MEMBERS OR COMMISSION MEMBERS, UH, JOHN SMITH, TALKED ABOUT MERCHANDISING, HEY, WHY DON'T WE GET HATS AND SHIRTS AND EVERYTHING.
HE HAS SINCE RE NOT RESIGNED HIS, UH, TENURE WAS UP.
AND SO JOHN BURT TOOK THAT OVER AND STARTED, UH, DESIGNING SHIRTS WITH THE NEW
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LOGO AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY'S, WELL, JOE PETTY KIND OF, HE MADE THE NEWER LOGO AND GOT THE AIRPLANE AND THEN WE BEGAN YEAH.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS, THE VISION OR MISSION, LIKE EXPERIENCE WARREN COUNTY, YOU KNOW, AND THEN EXPERIENCE WARREN COUNTY BY AIR, YOU KNOW, WHERE HISTORY, NATURE AND FAMILY COME TOGETHER.
SO, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF THE BEGINNING OF WHAT IS OUR VISION? WHAT IS OUR MISSION? AND I THINK THAT'S, I THINK IT'S PRETTY COOL, REALLY.
I MEAN, UM, AT THE END OF THE DAY, AND I CAN FORWARD THAT TO YOU IF YOU LIKE TO SEE THAT.
SO WHAT THE COMMISSION WAS THINKING IF, IF EVERYBODY WAS OKAY WITH IT, IS THAT WE OCCUPY SOME OF THE, THE COUNTER SPACE, UH, THE DISPLAY CASES AND PUT THOSE HATS AND SHIRTS AND MAYBE SOME AVIATION SUPPLIES.
AND THEN ANY PROCEEDS FROM THAT WILL FUND THE SAFETY SEMINARS THAT WE HAVE.
WE ARE, WE'RE, UH, WE HAD ONE ABOUT A MONTH AGO, NOT EVEN A MONTH AGO, WE HAD ABOUT 30 TO 40 PEOPLE ATTENDED, UH, A OPA PUT ON A FANTASTIC PROGRAM.
AND ON THEIR, AS THEY WERE LEAVING, THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DETAIL OR CHANGE THIS PRESENTATION TO BE SPECIFIC TO HOW YOU GUYS OPERATE HERE.
AND I THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC.
AS THE NEW FLYING SEASONS COMING UP WHERE WE HAVE INCREASED SKYDIVING, WE'RE GONNA HAVE INCREASED SOARING, AND NOW IN FLIGHT TRAINING SCHOOL, HOPEFULLY OUT THERE, THIS WOULD BE A GREAT WAY TO KICK OFF THE SEASON WITH A OPA COMING BACK OUT AND TALKING ABOUT HOW CAN WE ALL FLY SAFELY IN THE SAME COMBINED AIRSPACE.
SO TO PUT THOSE ON, THAT'S WHAT WE WERE THINKING.
I, I APPROACHED MIKE AND SAID, HEY, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT IF WE PRINTED UP SHIRTS AND HATS AND STUFF AND PUT 'EM OUT AT THE AIRPORT, MAYBE IN SOME OF THE DISPLAY CASES.
SO SAY IF IT COSTS, YOU KNOW, $20 TO PRINT UP A SHIRT AND WE SELL 'EM FOR 25, WE SELL A HUNDRED OF 'EM, WE TAKE THAT MONEY AND PUT IT TOWARDS THESE SAFETY PROGRAMS THAT TAX TAXPAYERS HAVE TO FLOAT THAT INVENTORY.
OR WE, WE
WELL, I WOULD, I WOULD HOPE NOT BECAUSE IT'S AN ENTERPRISE ACCOUNT AND SO THEY ARE SELF-SUFFICIENT.
SO THEY'LL HAVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE TO SEE WHAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO TAKE OUT OF THEIR BUDGET.
AND THEY OFFERED TO DO IT THEMSELVES.
BUT I, I THINK THAT SOUNDS A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE A WHOLE LOT OF DETAIL.
LIKE, WELL, WE'RE GONNA START AN ACCOUNT AND WE'RE GONNA DO THIS, AND THEN WE GOTTA COUNT ON OUR PEOPLE TO, AND I I SAID WE, I THINK IT'S BETTER TO SIMPLIFY THIS.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, SEE WHAT THE PLAN IS, HOW, YOU KNOW, WE BUDGET FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE DISCUSS IT.
AND, AND I THINK IT WAS A GOOD IDEA.
'CAUSE I THINK TRAINING'S IMPORTANT EITHER WAY.
UM, SO I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU, MIKE.
BACK, BACK, BACK TO JAKE, UM, BEING THE, UH, THE ONSITE YES.
SO I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, WILL, WILL YOU BE ABLE TO PROTECT HIS TIME SO THAT HE CAN FOCUS ON THIS? BECAUSE I'M, I'M ENVISIONING LIKE SOMETIMES IF FOR JUST PUBLIC WORKS IN GENERAL, THERE'S SOME RANDOM TASK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE OUT IN THAT VICINITY.
LIKE HE WON'T GET SENT OFF TO DO THAT.
AND THEN THERE'S NO ONE ATTENDING THE AIRPORT AT THAT POINT.
RIGHT? I, I MEAN, THE JAKE DOES, I MEAN, HELP US, LIKE WHEN WE HAVE A SNOW STORM OR SOMETHING LIKE ACROSS, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET, WHICH USED TO BE AIRPORT PROPERTY, HE WILL PLOW THAT MM-HMM.
OKAY, WELL THAT'S RIGHT THERE.
SO THAT'S YOU RIGHT THERE AT THAT FACILITY.
BUT THAT'S ALSO A BENEFIT TO THE AIRPORT.
UM, YOU KNOW, BUT I MEAN, TYPICALLY HE'S AT THE AIRPORT.
SO, I MEAN, IF HE HAS TO LEAVE, I MEAN, IF WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO CAN GO, BUT IF WE'RE LIKE IN THE MIDDLE OF A SNOWSTORM, JAKE'S AREA IS PROBABLY NOT GONNA BE AS BAD AS THE GUYS ON TOP OF THE MOUNTAIN.
IF HE NEEDS A PART, THEN WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO SEND JAKE, WE GET THE PART.
YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE, AND I, I THINK IN THE MIDDLE OF A SNOWSTORM, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE AIRPORT.
SO, AND THAT'S, AND I, AND I, I MEAN, I'M INTENTIONALLY SAYING THAT BECAUSE HEY, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA BE VIRTUALLY SHUT DOWN AND JACOB PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, LEND A HAND IF AND, AND, AND THERE AND THERE ARE SITUATIONS.
SO I DON'T WANNA SAY, HEY, I WANNA LOCK HIM DOWN.
IF, IF WE WOULD'VE A SITUATION LIKE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW OUR, OUR FOREMAN IS OUT YEAH.
AND YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD A BAD STORM COME, YOU KNOW, JAKE AND WE WERE IN TROUBLE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD SEND JAKE TO GET YEAH.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT EMERGENCIES ARE EMERGENCIES, BUT A GENERAL BIAS TOWARDS KEEPING HIM YEAH.
GENERALLY HE IS GEN AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT HIS JOB IS DESIGNED FOR.
YOU KNOW, SO HE'S ON SITE, HE'S THERE ALL THE TIME.
BUT AS WE GROW, I, I MEAN, BECAUSE I, I, I SEE, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A VISION, YOU KNOW, AND, AND AS YOU DEVELOP IT, I MEAN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE WILL PRODUCE MORE INCOME AND, AND WE PROBABLY WILL NEED MORE HELP.
AND BECAUSE IT'S AN ENTERPRISE ACCOUNT AND IT'S SELF, UH, SELF-FUNDING THAT AS YOU GROW AND AS FUEL SALES GROW AND SO FORTH,
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WE MAY HAVE TWO PEOPLE THERE.SO YOU'VE GOT SOMEONE OUT DOING THE MAINTENANCE STUFF AND SOMEONE ALWAYS AT THAT FRONT DESK, YOU KNOW.
IF YOU GO BACK, AND I, AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT YEAR NOW, BUT PROBABLY 2018, I GUESS WHEN REGGIE WAS THERE, REGGIE'S PASSED AWAY, BUT REGGIE ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, MANY YEARS HAD A PART-TIME ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT THAT WAS THERE.
AND THEY ACTUALLY DID, UM, SOME OF THE STUFF THAT I DO AS WELL.
I MEAN, HE WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THE HOUSE WOULD DO SOME OF THE, THE STATE MAINTENANCE GRANT WORK AS FAR AS, HEY, ENGINEER, THIS IS WHAT WE NEED.
AND THEN THE COUNTY WOULD JUST HANDLE THE PROCESS OF THE PAPERWORK.
SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD COME TO THAT AND, AND, AND WE DO.
I MEAN, HAVE, YOU KNOW, UM, MY OFFICE MANAGER NOW WHERE WE HAVE OUR PRO KEYS AND SHE'LL GO OUT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CLIENTS THAT USE THE PRO KEY, BUT SOME OF 'EM PREFER IT.
SO SHE'LL GO OUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAVE ONE THAT NEEDS LOADED AND CURRENTLY WE'RE ON THE MODEM SYSTEM, WE'RE IN THE MIDST OF UPDATING THAT.
UM, BUT YOU GOTTA GO OUT AND PUT IT IN THE BOX, USE THAT COMPUTER.
AND SO WE DO HAVE SOME SUPPORT FOR JAKE.
SHE'S ALSO THE PERSON THAT COLLECTS THE HANGAR, UH, REVENUE FOR THE COUNTY.
SO THERE, THERE IS SOME SUPPORT IN THE BACKGROUND TOO, IN MY DEPARTMENT BEFORE, YOU KNOW, THE REVENUE PRODUCING, UM, ACTIVITIES.
BUT IT DOES, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S PRETTY WELL THOUGHT THROUGH.
SO I HAVE A COUPLE THINGS THAT I'D LIKE TO SAY.
YOU KNOW, SO EVERYONE KNOWS THAT THE AIRPORT RESIDES IN MY DISTRICT.
AND SO THE, THE RESIDENTS AND THAT LIVE AROUND THE AIRPORT, I FEEL HAVE A, A, A VOICE IN, IN EVERYTHING AS WELL.
AND THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THE POTENTIAL OF THE AIRPORT, ALL THE WONDERFUL THINGS THAT IT BRINGS, YOU KNOW, TO THE COUNTY AND HOW MUCH EVERYONE LOVES IT, WHO, WHO, UM, HAVE SOME STAKE IN IT.
BUT YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE IS OTHER CITIZENS AROUND THE AIRPORT THAT I, I BELIEVE NEEDS TO BE IN THE PLAY.
SO WITH ALL THAT BEING SAID, I, UM, YOU KNOW, I HEAR EVERYTHING, WHAT YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO DO.
YOU KNOW, I, I HOPE WE'RE NOT GOING BACKWARDS, BUT, UM, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT SAFETY IN THE ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES, YOU KNOW, AND EVEN READING, UM, UH, WHAT WAS SENT, YOU KNOW, SO I KNOW THAT WE HAVE, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE MONTHLY SAFETY CHECKS, SOMEONE GOING OUT THERE AND MAKING SURE THERE'S NO, YOU KNOW, TREES BLOCKING ANYTHING, UH, UP IN, UH, WITH THE, THE BEACONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW? SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW.
I, I MEAN, THIS IS NOT A FORMAL PRESENTATION, SO I'M MAKING THE ASSUMPTION THAT THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE'RE JUST THINKING ABOUT AND FILLING IN THE GAPS LATER ON.
UM, SO WITH THAT, I, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET QUALIFIED PEOPLE AND HOW THE SAFETY CHECKS ARE GOING TO BE DONE TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, BEACONS ARE WORKING AND LIGHTS ARE ON THE RUNWAY ARE FINE, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
NOW, THE AMBASSADOR'S PART IS, IN MY OPINION, ARE JUST VOLUNTEERS.
AND, UM, I, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THE VOLUNTEERS TO BE AT, UH, UH, BE THE CUSTODIANS, IF YOU WILL, AT THE OPENING OF THE AIRPORT, LIKE SIX TO EIGHT, I GUESS.
AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA BE THERE AFTERWARDS, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE COUNTY PEOPLE GO.
AND, YOU KNOW, I HAVE, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT WORKS, BUT, AND I'LL BE, BUT I LOOK AT THAT, THAT WE'RE GIVING PEOPLE NON COUNTY STAFF THE KEYS TO TERMINAL.
AND YOU KNOW, BACK IN MY DAY, YOU KNOW, WHEN I WORKED AT THE GOVERNMENT, AND I KNOW COUNTY GOVERNMENT'S DIFFERENT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD NOT HAVE A CONTRACTOR OR ANYBODY IN AN OFFICE WITHOUT A GOVERNMENT PERSON THERE.
SO I KNOW, I KNOW THAT, UM, IN THE PAST THAT THE AIRPORT HAS UTILIZED VOLUNTEERS, TENANTS AND THAT KIND OF THING.
UM, UH, BUT I, I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THEIR ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES ARE.
I MEAN, IF YOU'RE GONNA GIVE THE KEYS TO THE TERMINAL, YOU KNOW, WHAT RESTRICTIONS DO THEY HAVE? WHAT RESPONSIBILITIES DO THEY HAVE, WHAT AUTHORITIES, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A COUNTY PERSON THERE.
I UNDERSTAND YOU COULD PICK UP THE PHONE, I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, DIAL 9 1 1 AND ALL THAT KIND OF THING.
UM, I, I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND HOW THAT'S GONNA WORK.
UM, ALSO WITH THE, WITH THE VOLUNTEERS, YOU KNOW, I WANT ALSO WANNA KNOW, ARE YOU GONNA HAVE A SCHEDULE, RIGHT? SO IS SOMEONE GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, THE VOLUNTEER AMBASSADOR, YOU'RE, UH, IT'S GONNA SIGN UP
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FOR MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, OR IS IT GONNA BE ROTATING OR IF, IF A VOLUNTEER OR AN AMBASSADOR, YOU KNOW, HAVE AN EMERGENCY AND CAN'T BE THERE? SO IS THAT GONNA BE OKAY THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA OPEN IT UP? OR IS THIS GONNA BE A, A TYPE OF, UM, ON A NEED BASIS? SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THOSE KIND OF THINGS THAT I, I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, UM, AND HOW THE VOLUNTEERS ARE GOING TO OFFSET SOME OF THE, THE, WELL, I MEAN THE IDEA OF, OF HAVE NOT HAVING A COUNTY PERSON THERE, RIGHT? I, I WOULD THINK THAT, UM, I MEAN THE OFFICE, LIKE FRONT ROW SKYDIVE, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN LOCK ON THEIR FACILITY.LIKE JAKE'S OFFICE, HE HAS ADDITIONAL LOCK ON HIS, SO IF YOU HAVE A KEY TO THE TERMINAL, I MEAN, YOU CAN GET IN THE TERMINAL AND YOU CAN GO TO THE BATHROOM.
UM, AND, AND THAT, THAT WOULD BE, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE YOU DOING IF YOU WERE THERE EARLY AND, AND, AND, AND HONESTLY, I WAS THERE LAST FRIDAY AND A LOT OF THOSE, THOSE AMBASSADORS ARE GONNA KNOW A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN I WILL WHEN THEY COME IN.
UM, SO, BUT I THINK AS FAR AS A SCHEDULE, I, I WOULD WANNA SEE A SCHEDULE, JUST LIKE I, I GET A SCHEDULE, UM, FOR BALL FIELDS AND I'M COPIED ON THAT SCHEDULE.
I GET A SCHEDULE FOR WHO'S ON DUTY ON THE WEEKENDS FOR PARKS AND REC OR PARKS AND REC, CLEANING UP TRASH.
AND I KNOW THIS GUY AND THIS GUY'S ON THE SHIFT AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE GOING AROUND AND THEY'RE HITTING THE TRASH CANS AND, AND THEY'RE UNLOCKING OR LOCKING THE GATES.
ALSO KNOW THAT WE HAVE FRONT ROYAL PD OR, UM, THAT WILL CHECK LOCKS FOR US AS WELL.
I MEAN, THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT I MENTIONED THE POTENTIAL OF, AS WELL AS WE DO HAVE, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE GOT INTO AN EMERGENCY SITUATION, WE, WE COULD HAVE A PARK RANGER, YOU KNOW, ON A WEEKEND SLIDE BY THERE IF WE NEEDED TO OR NEEDED ADDITIONAL EYES TO LOOK.
UM, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE ALL VALID POINTS.
AND UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK I, I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE GOING.
YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES, I MEAN, I, I'VE HAD TO GO OUT AND NOT THAT LONG AGO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE GUYS EVERY WEEK THAT, YOU KNOW, AT OUR, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE COUNTY EMPLOYEES PART-TIME, BUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE TRASH, I MEAN, I, I LOOK AT IT, I WANNA KNOW THE SCHEDULE.
AND SOMETIMES THERE'S A MISHAP AND I'VE HAD TO BE THE GUY THAT GOES IN, BUT ARE BUT THOSE ARE COUNTY STAFF PEOPLE, RIGHT? WE'RE TALKING VOLUNTEERS.
SO WE DON'T NEED TO RESOLVE THIS HERE.
I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS NEED TO PUT YOUR ARMS AROUND SOME MORE STUFF.
I GAVE ALL MY COMMENTS TO MR. BUTLER ON EVERYTHING OF THIS MEETING MINUTES AND WHATNOT, AND RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, I, I APPRECIATE IF YOU GUYS WOULD READ IT AND SEE WHERE I'M COMING FROM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, I'M THINKING ABOUT SAFETY AND PROFESSIONAL RUN AIRPORT.
AND, UM, I UNDERSTAND BECAUSE IT'S IN MY, I GET IT.
MY, UM, MY DISTRICT AND, UM, I, RIGHT.
I JUST HAVE, YOU KNOW, I, I JUST WANTED, I UNDERSTAND TREES, THE BEACONS, I MEAN, WE JUST HAD DISCUSSION WITH US.
HAVING QUALIFIED PEOPLE DOING THAT, RIGHT? YOU GUYS NEED TO WORK THAT INTO YOUR PLAN.
BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE VOLUNTEERS, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THEY GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHEN THEY'RE THERE? GOTCHA.
ARE THEY GONNA, YOU KNOW, RIGHT.
IS IT, IS IT JUST TO OPEN THE DOOR AND JUST SIT THERE? OR ARE THEY GONNA BE ANSWERING PHONES? ARE THEY GONNA BE RUNNING THE AIR, THE RADIO, YOU KNOW, DURING THE TIME THEY'RE THERE.
SO THAT'S ALL I'M JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW.
UNDERSTANDING AND THOSE ARE GREAT WHAT THEY, WHAT THEIR AUTHORITIES ARE, RIGHT.
'CAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, YEAH, THE AIRPORT BELONGS TO THE COUNTY AND WHAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO PROTECT OURSELVES FOR ANY LIABILITIES POTENTIAL.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS MR. SABBA RECOMMENDED THAT I SPEND TIME THERE, UM, AND SUPPORT JAKE AND SUPPORT THOSE OTHER NEEDS AND TO SHOW THE FACE OF THE COUNTY AND, AND ANOTHER CAPACITY.
AND, AND, AND I AGREE WITH THAT AND I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE.
UM, WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE CONSULTANTS AND WE DO, AND YOU GUYS APPROVE THOSE CONSULTANTS FOR AVIATION AND, AND THEY ARE A PART OF, AND, AND, AND THESE GENTLEMEN AND ED, WERE ON THE, UM, F-A-A-D-O-E-V, WE HAD THE BIGGEST MEETING I'VE EVER BEEN A PART OF.
UM, WELL WE HAVE PROBABLY 20 PEOPLE IN THE ROOM.
'CAUSE SINCE COVID, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T SEEN A LOT OF MEN, BUT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE ISSUES THAT ARE SAFETY CONCERNS THAT ARE TIED TO GRANTS.
WE HAD SOME REALLY GOOD CONVERSATIONS, UM, HAVING NOT GOT IT ALL TIED DOWN, BUT WITH THOSE OFFICIALS, YOU KNOW, HEY, THERE'S ANOTHER METHOD THAT YOU CAN GO THROUGH TO APPLY FOR FUNDING BEFORE YOU GET TO, 'CAUSE WE HAVE MOST OF THE TREES OF CONCERN AND OBSTRUCTION REMOVAL PROJECTS.
AND I DON'T WANNA GET TOO FAR OUT THERE, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE PROFESSIONALS ON STAFF THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVE BEEN AND CONTINUE TO BE MY GO-TO PEOPLE WHEN I HAVE AN ISSUE.
AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE LOOK FOR THOSE OPPORTUNITIES TO, TO SAVE MONEY, UM, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THOSE GRANT RESOURCES ARE USED.
AND, AND, AND THAT'S PART OF MY JOB.
AND, UM, I'LL CONTINUE TO TRY TO DO BETTER AT THAT.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THE SAFETY AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, OBSTRUCTIONS
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LIKE THIS YEAR WILL BE OUR YEAR FOUR, OUR 50 10 INSPECTION.SO WE WILL BE, UM, WE HAVE THE FEDERAL AND STATE GOVERNMENT.
THE STATE IS, IS HIRED BY THE FAA AND THEY'LL COME OUT AND THEY'LL TELL US IF THERE'S TREES, UM, ON THE NEIGHBOR PROPERTIES, WHICH THEY HAD BEFORE.
AND WE'LL HAVE TO DO THE REMOVAL AND THEY'LL DO A FOLLOW UP TO ENSURE THAT WE, WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE AND THAT WE ARE SAFE.
SO, UM, UH, MR. BUTLER, I WOULD, UM, WOULD LIKE YOU TO, YOU KNOW, SHARE MY COMMENTS WITH THE COMMISSION.
WILL YOU PLEASE? AND, AND, AND I'D LIKE TO HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW THEY'RE GONNA ADDRESS MY CONCERNS.
UM, OR EVEN IF THEY NEED TO BE ADDRESSED, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A, IT'S A NOHOW, THEN SAY, YEAH, NO WORRY ABOUT IT.
WELL, THEY, THEY, VICKI, THEY, UH, I REVIEWED YOUR, YOUR COMMENTS THERE AND I TOOK A LOOK AT THEM AND THERE, THERE WERE JUST TWO OUT OF ALL OF THOSE COMMENTS.
THE, THE COUNTY IS HANDLING ALL OF THOSE, EXCEPT FOR TWO OF THEM.
JUST, JUST, I, I, YOU KNOW, I WILL, I WANNA SEE IT.
I LIKE SEEING THINGS WRITTEN DOWN, NOT JUST VERBALLY OR BECAUSE SOMEONE SAYS ANYTHING.
IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T TRUST IT IS JUST HAVING A DOCUMENT TRAIL.
BECAUSE IF SOMEONE COMES AND, AND, AND SAYS SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WHY ARE YOU DOING IT THIS WAY? WE HAVE A PLAN AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS, THIS IS OUR POLICY.
THIS IS OUR SOP, YOU KNOW, THIS IS HOW WE'RE DOING THINGS NOT GO WELL BECAUSE THE AIRPORT COMMISSION SAID WE CAN DO THIS.
YOU KNOW, I, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE NEW MODEL.
IT'S JUST, I JUST WANT TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE MY CONCERNS ADDRESSED BECAUSE MY CONSTITUENTS LIVE AROUND THERE.
SO THEY HAVE AN ISSUE AND THEY HAVE A QUESTION OF WHY IS THE SKYDIVING PERSON LANDING IN MY PROPERTY? OKAY.
I WANNA BE ABLE TO SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, X, Y, Z OR GO TALK TO SOMEBODY.
SO THAT'S JUST WHERE I'M GOING WITH IT.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT'S NOT JUST A FORK DISTRICT PROBLEM.
'CAUSE WE'VE HAD 'EM LAND IN OUR FIELD, SO, SO, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO THAT, THAT'S ALL.
THEY USUALLY HAVE A LITTLE SIGN WALKING
AND WE HAVE A MEETING NEXT AND IT'S ALSO THE SAFETY OF THE, THE PERSON SKYDIVING.
WE HAVE A MEETING NEXT WEDNESDAY NIGHT, SO, I MEAN, IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO ADDRESS WITH THE COMMISSION, I MEAN, WE CAN GO RIGHT AT IT NEXT WEEK.
WELL, I THINK THERE'S A LOT TO ADDRESS.
WELL, WITH CHANGE THERE'S ALWAYS BUMPS IN THE ROAD AND YOU, YOU FIX 'EM AS YOU, YOU HIT THE BUMP IN THE ROAD.
IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE GOT A GOOD BASELINE GOING.
WE JUST NEED THE TRANSITION PLAN.
AND, AND I, I JUST WANNA SAY I'VE BEEN OUT THERE AND SEEING JAKE AND HIS ENTHUSIASM, UH, AND HIS, THE PRIDE HE TAKES INTO WHAT HE'S DOING OUT THERE.
UM, AND JUST WALKING DOWN TO THE FUEL TANK AND COMING BACK.
HE POINTED OUT, I THINK, TO BOTH OF US, UM, DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO HE'S, HE'S PRETTY SHARP ON WHAT'S WHAT AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE TENDED TO AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, JAKE MAKES, I ALWAYS HAD A JOKE I SAID, JAKE CAN MAKE FRIENDS IN THE OUTHOUSE.
'CAUSE HE'S JUST THAT TYPE OF PERSON.
HE'S, HE'S ALWAYS TALKY AND UH, BUT I THINK THE TENANTS AND PAUL CAN ATTEST TO THAT.
THEY, THEY REALLY APPRECIATE JAKE.
HE ALWAYS GOES THE EXTRA MILE.
THAT'S THE END OF OUR AGENDA, SO UNLESS ANYBODY HAS ANYTHING ELSE, IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? THANK YOU GUYS.