Feb 27, 2024 Board of Supervisors Work Session

SO THE OTHER ASPECTS OF THE BUDGET HAVE PRETTY MUCH STAYED FLAT, UM, FROM THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR TO NEXT YEAR.

UM, THERE ARE SOME MINOR CHANGES BASED OFF OF THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES IN THE HR DEPARTMENT SHIFTING FROM TWO TO THREE.

UM, BUT THEY'RE NOT SIGNIFICANT.

UM, PROBABLY THE FUNDING FOR MCGRIFF IS ONE OF THE HIGH DOLLAR ONES.

THERE ARE INSURANCE BROKER.

UM, BUT THAT'S AN INCREMENTAL INCREASE.

IT'S A 5% INCREASE OVER LAST YEAR.

AND IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE HR BUDGET, HAPPY TO ANSWER.

UH, THIS ONE'S I GUESS MORE FOR, FOR DR.

DALEY, AND IT'S TO, I'M JUST CURIOUS ON THIS 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT PERSONNEL IS USUALLY YOUR BIGGEST EXPENSE.

AND SO IF, IF YOU TOOK A LOOK AT THE COUNTY'S PERSONNEL BUDGET, IF YOU, IF YOU PULLED OUT THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND YOU TOOK A LOOK AT THE PERSONNEL BUDGET, I WOULD EXPECT THAT IT'D BE ANYWHERE FROM 60 TO 80% OF, OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT THE COUNTY'S, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT WHAT IT, WHAT OUR COSTS, WHAT OUR COSTS ARE.

PRETTY CLOSE IN THE RANGE THERE OF 75% IF YOU INCLUDE THE BENEFITS, SIR.

MM-HMM MM-HMM.

WE CURRENTLY HAVE FOUR END PROCESS .

WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE ENROLLED IN THAT RIGHT NOW.

UM, HISTORICALLY, SO LAST YEAR WHEN THEY DID THE PARAMEDIC CLASS, THEY DID NOT DO IT THROUGH THE TUITION REIMBURSEMENT PROGRAM.

UM, THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT THROUGH FIRE AND RESCUE AND THE INSTRUCTORS.

AND SO THAT WAS A, THEY BASICALLY FUNDED IT RATHER THAN IT COMING THROUGH OUR PROGRAM.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH.

WHAT, WHAT IS THE ON THE CAREER ADVANCEMENT, WHAT ARE ARE EXAMPLES IS THAT, UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING ON THEIR ASSOCIATES OR THEIR BACHELOR'S DEGREE.

UM, AND SO IT'S LITERALLY A 300 LEVEL COURSE OR MAYBE A ENGLISH CLASS THAT THEY NEED TO TAKE.

AND SO THEY'LL SUBMIT IT FOR A TUITION REIMBURSEMENT.

SO A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE TAKING CLASSES THROUGH LORD FAIRFAX AND DIFFERENT, UM, UNIVERSITIES AND COLLEGES AROUND HERE.

IS IT, SO IT'S MOSTLY COLLEGE RELATED? YES.

IT'S NOT LIKE A A, A TRAINING? NO.

THEY'RE ALL, UM, DEGREE RELATED OR CERTIFICATION RELATED.

AND THEY'RE ALL FROM ACCREDITED INSTITUTIONS.

SO IN ONE OF MY PRIOR LIVES, I HAD EMPLOYEES FROM THE WARREN COUNTY PLANNING DEPARTMENT IN A MASTER'S PROGRAM AT SHENANDOAH.

AND I HAD EMPLOYEES IN THE ADMIN DEPARTMENT IN UNDERGRADUATE PROGRAMS AT LAUREL RIDGE TAKING PUBLIC FINANCE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT.

SO IT WAS THAT TYPE OF CLASS.

SO YOU'LL SEE IN DEPARTMENTAL BUDGETS THAT THEY HAVE CAREER ADVANCEMENT AS WELL.

AND THAT IS MORE FOR TRAINING COURSES FOR THEIR TEAM THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY DEGREE RELATED.

HOW ARE, HOW ARE EXPENSES INCURRED ON THE, ON THE, UNDER THE WEALTH WELLNESS PROGRAM? FOR THE MOST PART, IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE BRINGING IN BASICALLY A CONSULTANT OR ANY SERVICE FOR ALL OF THE EMPLOYEES.

SO IT'S NOT A ONE-ON-ONE, WE'RE NOT PAYING LIKE THE COPAY FOR AN EMPLOYEE TO GO AND SEE A DOCTOR OR A THERAPIST.

UM, SO IT IS MORE WE'RE PAYING A PHYSICIAN TO COME IN AND TEACH A CLASS, OR WE'RE PAYING A NUTRITIONIST TO COME IN AND TEACH A COURSE, AND WE'RE BILLED BASICALLY BY THE PERSON WHO PARTICIPATES.

SO IT'S, IT'S PER, IT'S PER SCHEDULED EVENT.

CORRECT.

ESSENTIALLY.

AND SO WHETHER ONE OR 50 COUNTY EMPLOYEES COME.

X NUMBER OF DOLLARS PER EMPLOYEE WHO PARTICIPATES, IF WE WANNA PUT A CAP ON THAT, WE JUST LIMIT THE NUMBER OF SEATS, UM, IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T OVERSPEND.

WELL, AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE ABLE TO SPREAD IT OUT.

SO WE CAN LIMIT.

SO IF WE'RE SAYING, OKAY, WE HAVE SEATS FOR 30 PEOPLE, SO WE KNOW IT'S GONNA COST US

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AND THEN WE CAN ALWAYS ADD IN AN ADDITIONAL COURSE IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

NOW, ARE YOU GETTING PEOPLE SIGNING UP UP TO A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PEOPLE BEFORE YOU MAKE THE COMMITMENT FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT, A CLASS OR THE TRAINING OR WHATEVER? SO THERE ARE NO MINIMUMS OR MAXIMUMS REGARDING CLASS SIZE.

SO THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY PARTICIPATE WOULD BE WHAT WE WOULD BE BILLED OFF OF.

OH, OKAY.

SO IF ONE PERSON COMES, THEY'RE ONLY BILLED FOR ONE? CORRECT.

SO THE, THE PROVIDERS, ARE THEY ALREADY ALIGNED UP OR THEY, WE HAVE BEEN, WE'VE SPOKEN TO SEVERAL DIFFERENT PROVIDERS.

UM, WE ACTUALLY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS IN ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT OUR FOCUS GROUP IS LOOKING AT.

UM, SO WE DON'T WANT TO BASICALLY PLAN THINGS THAT PEOPLE ARE LIKE, WHAT A WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY.

UM, SO WE WANT THEIR FEEDBACK PRIOR TO ACTUALLY IMPLEMENTING IT.

SO OUR FIRST FOCUS GROUP IS ACTUALLY TOMORROW.

UM, AND THEN WE'RE PLANNING ON HAVING THE HEALTH FAIR AS WE GET CLOSER TO OPEN ENROLLMENT.

WE THINK THAT DOING THE COURSES PRIOR TO OPEN ENROLLMENT WILL ACTUALLY HELP PEOPLE MAKE A BETTER, UM, ENROLLMENT DECISION IN DECIDING WHAT THEY SHOULD BE ENROLLING IN AND DIFFERENT AVENUES BASED OFF OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THEIR LIFE.

UM, SO YOU, YOU MENTIONED YOU EXPECT MOST OF THE MONEY TO BE SPENT IN LIKE THREE TO THREE MONTHS.

SO OPEN ENROLLMENT WILL BE THE END OF MAY IN ORDER TO BASICALLY BE PROCESSED AND TAKE EFFECT JULY 1ST.

UM, SO AS WE GO TOWARDS MAY, IT'LL BE APRIL AND MAY THAT WE START HAVING THE SESSIONS AND THE CLASSES.

SO THAT RIGHT.

OF THIS YEAR, THE CLASSES THAT ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE PEOPLE ARE PUTTING ON FOR YOU? CORRECT.

BASICALLY WE'RE BUYING EDUCATION.

I'M NOT QUITE SURE.

SO WHEN YOU SAY OPEN ENROLLMENT, THAT'S WHEN PEOPLE CHOOSE THEIR HEALTH, THEIR BENEFITS, BENEFITS FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

SO IT JUST HAPPENS THAT AT THAT TIME THEY'RE SEEING A MENU OF ALL THESE CLASSES THEY CAN TAKE.

AND THEN THEY WOULD SAY, OH, I WANT TO TAKE THAT ONE.

AND THEN TO, OKAY.

THAT WAY THEY CAN SEE BASICALLY WHAT'S WORKING AND HEAR THE INFORMATION FROM THE PERSON AND THEN GO, OKAY, DO I WANT TO ENROLL IN A SECONDARY INSURANCE? IS IT GONNA BE BENEFICIAL TO ME? 'CAUSE I THINK A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND INSURANCE.

UM, PROBABLY 90% OF PEOPLE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY ENROLLED IN OR THE KIND OF NUANCE OF THAT INSURANCE.

SO HAVING PEOPLE WHO CAN EXPLAIN KIND OF THE INS AND OUTS AND WHAT DOES BENEFIT THEM WOULD ACTUALLY MAKE IT MORE BENEFICIAL FOR SOMEONE AND GOING, YOU KNOW WHAT, THIS IS HAPPENING IN MY LIFE OR MY FAMILY'S LIFE RIGHT NOW.

SO MAYBE WE DO NEED TO ENROLL IN A SUPPLEMENTAL INSURANCE OR CHANGE OUR HEALTHCARE PLAN BASED OFF OF THE EXPENDITURES.

ARE THOSE IN THE, WELL, IN THE WELLNESS, ARE THOSE TYPES OF THINGS IN THE WELLNESS, SOME OF THEM CATEGORY OF YES.

LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, FINANCIAL EDUCATION, I MEAN MM-HMM.

WHEN UNDER, DURING OPEN ENROLLMENT, ARE THEY JUST LOOKING AND SAYING, OH, THERE'S A FINANCIAL EDUCATION CLASS I COULD TAKE SO WELL, IT WOULD BE BEFOREHAND.

UM, SO A LOT OF TIMES WHEN PEOPLE GO TO OPEN ENROLLMENT, THEY LOOK AT WHAT'S THE PREMIUM MONTHLY, AND THEY'RE LIKE, OH, THIS PREMIUM'S, THIS COST, THIS IS THAT.

I'M GONNA GO WITH THE LOWER ONE.

THEY DON'T NECESSARILY THINK OF WHAT THEIR COPAYS ARE, WHAT THEIR OUT-OF-POCKET MAXIMUMS ARE, AND LOOKING AT THEIR FULL FAMILY OR EVERYONE INCURRED, BASICALLY ENROLLED ON THE PLAN.

SO IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE WHO HAS A SERIOUS HEALTH CONDITION, GOING WITH A HIGH DEDUCTIBLE PLAN MIGHT NOT BE THE BEST OPTION FOR YOU BECAUSE YOU KNOW YOU'RE GONNA END UP HITTING THE DEDUCTIBLE.

UM, AND SO A FINANCIAL PLANNER CAN HELP THEM TO REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT OTHER THINGS FEED INTO YOUR FINANCIAL HEALTH.

HEALTH.

SO IF YOU UNDERSTAND THAT I'M GONNA HAVE TO COME OUT OF POCKET $10,000 THIS YEAR, WHEREAS IF YOU PICK A DIFFERENT PLAN, IF IT'S 20,000, YOU'RE GONNA PICK DIFFERENTLY.

I'M STILL TRYING TO GRASP WHAT THE, WHAT THE SERVICES, WHAT WE'RE BUYING FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.

SO WE'RE GETTING PEOPLE TO, BUT EDUCATION THAT PE OKAY.

THAT PEOPLE SAY, I WANT THE EDUCATION.

AND THEY COME TO THE, AND THEY COME TO MM-HMM.

THE TIME THAT YOU HAVE IT SCHEDULED.

ALRIGHT.

USUALLY GET A PACKET, RIGHT? MM-HMM, .

OR WHATEVER, RIGHT? THIS YEAR YOU GONNA, WHEN YOU SAY JOB FAIR, YOU GONNA A, A HEALTHCARE? MM-HMM.

DIFFERENT AREAS WHERE THEY CAN GO AND SIT AND BE TOLD, OKAY, THIS IS THIS PLAN.

UM, TO REALLY EDUCATING PEOPLE TO WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE PROVIDED TO YOU.

THEY CAN GET ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND EDUCATION ON THE VARIOUS ASPECTS WITHIN THE PLAN.

UM, OUR HEALTHCARE PLAN HAS CHIROPRACTICS BUILT IN.

A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE LIKE, I'VE NEVER BEEN TO A CHIROPRACTOR.

I DON'T SEE THE POINT OF IT.

AND OTHER PEOPLE ARE LIKE, I SWEAR BY IT.

UM, SO IT'S MORE OF AN EDUCATION OF WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENT FACETS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN YOUR PLAN.

HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF PREVENTATIVE HEALTHCARE.

UM, IT'S NOT UNLESS SOMETHING HAPPENS OR THEY'RE HORRIBLY SICK, THAT THEY ACTUALLY GET A PHYSICAL RATHER THAN GOING EVERY YEAR.

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UM, 'CAUSE I THINK A LOT OF TIMES OUR TEAM IS NOT UTILIZING OUR HEALTH INSURANCE, UM, FOR THE PREVENTATIVE MEDICINE.

UM, THEY WAIT UNTIL SOMETHING HAPPENS.

AND AT THAT POINT, IT THEN DOES BECOME A MUCH MORE SERIOUS ISSUE, HEALTHCARE COVERAGE PROVIDERS.

DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT.

I ASKED YOU ABOUT IT.

SO HOPEFULLY EDUCATING WILL MAKE THAT BETTER.

AND I THINK A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THE ASPECTS THAT ARE BUILT IN.

SO THERE IS A REIMBURSEMENT ASPECT AND WE WILL HAVE, IT'S CALLED BENEFIT ALLY.

WE'LL HAVE EMPLOYEES WHO ARE LIKE, GRANTED NOW NOT SO MUCH AS INITIALLY THEY WERE LIKE, I GOT A CHECK IN THE MAIL, CAN I CASH IT? AND I'M LIKE, YES, A BENEFIT ALLY.

BASICALLY, WHEN YOU OR SOMEONE WHO IS ENROLLED GOT HURT BASED OFF OF THAT, YOU GET A CHECK BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE CERTAIN INCURRED COSTS.

SO WE HAD AN EMPLOYEE WHOSE SPOUSE HAD A HEART ATTACK, AND I WAS LIKE, JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, HOW MUCH WAS THE CHECK? AND IT WAS CLOSE TO $25,000, WHICH COVERED ALL OF THE EXPENSES.

SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE A $25,000 BILL CAN KILL SOMEONE WHO'S MAKING $40,000 A YEAR.

I I HAVE ONE THAT I THOUGHT OF.

UM, WE, YOU, I THINK YOU MENTIONED THAT VOLUNTEERS ARE COVERED BY SOME OF THESE PROGRAMS. IS THAT JUST FOR THE VOL VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT OR ALL, ALL VOLUNTEERS.

EVERY VOLUNTEER IN THE COUNTY.

SO IS THERE ANY THRESHOLD, LIKE IF, IF I VOLUNTEER ONE HOUR, DO I GET ACCESS TO THESE PROGRAMS AROUND THE WHOLE YEAR? IT DEPENDS ON THE DEPARTMENT.

BUT IF YOU ARE REPORTED AS A VOLUNTEER MM-HMM.

, WE WOULD REPORT YOU TO OUR INSURANCE COMPANY SO THAT YOU'RE COVERED.

AND SO YOU WOULD ACTUALLY BE OKAY.

COVERED EVEN IF IT'S ONLY, OKAY.

SO IS THERE ANY, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, HOW MANY TAKE, TAKE ADVANTAGE, BUT IS THERE A SCENARIO WHERE WE'RE LOSING MONEY OR PEOPLE ARE PLAYING THE SYSTEM TO GET, YOU KNOW, SO WITH BENEFITS OUTTA THAT, WITH THE EAP, I'D SAY PROBABLY 80% OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ENROLLED NEVER USE IT.

OTHER THAN THEY MAY SEE SOME OF THE COMMUNICATIONS THAT WE SEND OUT, BUT THE 20% THAT DO USE IT OR DO REACH OUT, IT'S NOT GOING TO IMPACT OF THE COUNTY OR REALLY THE PROVIDER BECAUSE THEY'RE THERE MORE SO TO EDUCATE AND HELP TO PREVENT.

SO AGAIN, IT KIND OF GOES BACK TO THE PREVENTION.

UM, THEY'RE, I DON'T WANNA SAY VERY FEW.

THE NUMBER OF LIKE CRISES THAT WOULD GO THROUGH A EAP ARE MINIMAL IN COMPARISON TO REGULAR DAY-TO-DAY, UM, USES, WHICH IS WHY THEY'VE REALLY EXPANDED IT INTO LEADERSHIP AND MANAGEMENT DEVELOPMENT, UM, TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL RESOURCES FOR THE USERS.

SO YOU DO FEEL LIKE YOU'RE GETTING YOUR MONEY'S WORTH AND THEY'RE THERE FOR WHEN SOMETHING DOES GO SOUTH AND YOU HAVE THAT EMERGENCY.

UM, AND THEN LAST QUESTION.

SO HYPOTHETICALLY, IF WE WERE GOING TO, UM, ENGAGE A NUMBER OF VOLUNTEERS FOR SOME COUNTY PROGRAM MM-HMM.

, WOULD, WOULD YOU EXPECT THAT TO INCUR ENOUGH COSTS THROUGH THESE, UH, BENEFITS THAT SOME OF THAT SHOULD BE CHARGED BACK OR ALLOCATED TO THAT COST CENTER? NO.

UM, I DON'T THINK SO.

WE PAY BY THE EMPLOYEE AND IT'S INCREMENTAL.

ANTICIPATE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE ONE OF THE SALARIES ROUGHLY AROUND 150,000, AND THEN THE OTHER AROUND 110 BASED OFF OF WHAT YOU WOULD NEED TO, UM, PAY AN ATTORNEY AND THOSE SALARIES DRIVE THE BENEFITS AS WELL.

SO I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE NECESSARY, UM, BASED OFF OF THE USAGE.

[B. County Attorney - Budget Request - Jane Meadows]

HI.

YES, I AM.

UH, SO WALK AROUND , LIKE PUT A DIFFERENT HAT ON WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY BUDGET.

UM, IN CLEAR GOV, YOU'LL SEE THE NUMBERS ARE SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER.

AND THE REASON IS BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO OPTIONS BUILT INTO THE ACTUAL BUDGET.

SO WITH, UM, MS. JORDAN LEAVING THE COUNTY EARLIER THIS YEAR, WE BUILT IN THE POSSIBILITY OF EITHER, UM, BACK FILLING A COUNTY ATTORNEY.

SO WE WOULD HAVE TWO ATTORNEYS.

WE WOULD HAVE A COUNTY ATTORNEY AND AN ASSISTED COUNTY ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY.

UM, AND THAT'S WHERE YOU'LL SEE THE SALARIES FOR THE FULL-TIME EXEMPT AT $260,000, WE WOULD, UM,

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UM, SO WE HAVE PUT IN THE VACANCY FOR THE ENTIRE, UM, BUDGET.

AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE KIND OF THE FLIP SIDE UNDER LEGAL SERVICES WHERE WE INCREASED THE FEES THAT WE WOULD PAY TO LITTON AND CYP TO $325,000 IF WE WERE TO NOT FILL THE, UM, ATTORNEY POSITIONS, BUT CONTINUE TO UTILIZE THEM AS OUR ATTORNEY.

UM, SO WITH THE BENEFITS AND SALARY FOR TWO FULL-TIME ATTORNEYS VERSUS UTILIZING LINTON AND SIP, THERE'S ROUGHLY ABOUT A $15,000 DIFFERENCE.

UM, WITH THAT WE WOULD, HAVING TWO ATTORNEYS WOULD, THEY WOULD NOT NECESSARILY HAVE THE SPECIALTY TO COVER EVERYTHING, SO WE WOULD STILL PROBABLY NEED TO REACH OUT TO LINTON AND SLATE OR ANOTHER, UM, FIRM IN ORDER TO GET SOME SPECIALIZED ASSISTANCE.

I, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.

I THINK DR.

DALEY CAN PROBABLY ANSWER THIS.

WHEN, WHEN WE HAVE LITTEN AND SIPES AND UH, THE ATTORNEY HAS TO DRIVE UP, ARE WE PAYING FOR THAT FOR THE TIME THAT, THAT THEY'RE DRIVING ALSO? YES, SIR.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE, WE'RE ONLY GONNA USE THEM FOR AN HOUR.

WE, UH, VIDEO GO TO, OKAY.

UM, THE OTHER CHANGES IN THE COUNTY ATTORNEY BUDGET ARE REALLY DRIVEN BY WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE STAFF HERE IN THE BUILDING OR NOT.

SO WE HAVE BASED THE REMAINING PART OF THE BUDGET OFF OF NOT HAVING A COUNTY ATTORNEY IN THE BUILDING AND UTILIZING LIT AND SITE.

SO YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THERE'S A DECREASE AND JUST ABOUT EVERY CATEGORY, UM, THE SLIGHT INCREASE WITH THE FILING SERVICE AND FEES, THAT'S BECAUSE KAITLYN, OUR PARALEGAL, SHE IS ABLE AND WILLING TO HELP WITH SOME OF THE DEBT COLLECTION.

SO WITH THAT, SHE WOULD NEED ADDITIONAL FUNDING IN ORDER TO ACTUALLY DO THE FILING FEES.

UM, ANY QUESTIONS? I FEEL LIKE RATHER THAN GOING LINE BY LINE, I HAVE, SO, SO YOU'RE PRESENTING US TWO OPTIONS.

SO THE CLEAR GOV AND I GOT A SPREADSHEET THAT I DOWNLOADED FROM CLEAR GOV.

SO IF THINGS CHANGE, YOU KNOW, UH, JUST BEAR WITH ME.

SO AS OF LAST NIGHT, THE CLEAR GOV WAS UM, 600 AND 670 K MM-HMM.

THEN THE SHEET THAT I HAVE HERE IS UH, 780 K.

SO, WHICH, UM, OH, OH, OKAY.

SORRY.

SO WHICH, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SAID THERE WAS ONLY 15 K DIFFERENCE OH, IN THE SALARIES.

IN THE SALARIES? CORRECT.

SO THAT IF YOU'RE LOOKING ON THE FULL-TIME EXEMPT LINE, THE $260,000 THAT IS FOR SALARY, AND THEN THERE'S A PORTION OF ALL OF THE BENEFITS THAT WOULD BE ADDED TO THAT SALARY.

AND BASED OFF OF THAT TOTAL, IT WOULD BRING IT ROUGHLY TO ABOUT $340,000.

AND THEN WITH THE LEGAL SERVICES FOR LIN AND SITE, IT'S 325,000 THAT WE'VE BUDGETED.

SO THAT'S WHERE THE $15,000 DIFFERENCE IS.

AND IT TAKES OUT, THERE'S A SPECIAL CASE IN HERE AND IT TAKES THOSE NUMBERS OUT.

SO, I'M SORRY, YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION OR NOT, BUT, SO WHAT WOULD YOU RECOMMEND? I PERSONALLY, I LIKE THAT LITMAN PSYCH HAS ATTORNEYS WITH VARIOUS SPECIALTIES.

I THINK IT'S A ASSET.

I KNOW FROM THE HR SIDE, IT WAS NICE TO BE ABLE TO REACH OUT TO AN ATTORNEY WHO HAD EMPLOYEE LABOR LAW EXPERIENCE, UM, BECAUSE JASON WAS LIKE, ALRIGHT, LET ME COLLECT, CONNECT YOU TO MELISSA.

AND MS. JORDAN'S EXPERTISE WAS IN FAMILY LAW.

SO MOST ATTORNEYS HAVE A SPECIALTY JUST LIKE A DOCTOR, AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA FIND KIND OF A ONE SIZE FITS ALL.

SO WE UTILIZE, I GUESS FOUR TO FIVE DIFFERENT ATTORNEYS ON A REGULAR BASIS FROM CLINTON AND SITE AND ONLY $15,000 MORE.

RIGHT? YEAH.

SO THE LITTLE PAPER I GAVE YOU TAKES THE, UM, BILLINGS FOR LITTEN AND SIPES FROM LAST JULY.

AND IT LOOKS SPECIFICALLY ON THE SIDE THERE OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, DECEMBER AND JANUARY, BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN MRS. JORDAN LEFT.

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YOU SEE, HE DELINE DELINEATED THEM ALL SEPARATELY.

SO THE TOTAL FOUR, THE FOUR MONTHS LITTEN IN SIPES WAS 97,000.

IF I TAKE THAT TIMES THREE, THAT'S 291,000.

AND THAT'S WAGES AND BENEFITS, CLERICAL SUPPORT, ET CETERA.

THAT'S EVERYTHING IN THE OFFICE.

THE JANUARY WAS PARTICULARLY HIGH, IF YOU REMEMBER, THERE WAS A LOT OF BRUHAHA ABOUT THIS BANK THAT WAS GONNA DO THIS AND THIS BANK WAS GONNA DO THAT AND THE SKY WAS FALLING, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

AND JASON WAS INVOLVED IN A NUMBER OF CONVERSATIONS AND MEETING WITH THE BANK AND SO FORTH.

SO THAT RAN THAT NUMBER UP.

SO I TOOK THE AVERAGE OF THE LAST THREE MONTHS, THE 27 THAT YOU SEE THERE, AND I MULTIPLIED THAT TIMES 12.

AND THAT GIVES ME 3 24.

SO MY RANGE IS 2 91 TO 3 24 COMPARED ON THE OTHER SIDE.

IF MY EMPLOYEES WERE ONE 50 AND ONE 20 PLUS THE BENEFITS, IT'S 3 38.

IF THEY'RE ONE 40 AND ONE 10 PLUS THE BENEFITS, IT'S 3 0 4.

SO I'VE GOT A RANGE ON THIS SIDE OF 3 0 4 TO 3 38 AND ARRANGE ON THIS SIDE AT 2 91 TO 3 24.

AND THEN THE BIG BONUS AS JANE POINTED OUT IS THAT YOU GET EXPERTS IN EVERY FIELD.

THEY HAVE A LAND USE PLANNER WHO ACTUALLY DOES THE WORK.

UH, THE BOARD HAS TALKED ABOUT THIS CONTRACT THAT THE BOARD HAS OUT AND THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO REVISE AND DO SOMETHING WITH, AND THEY WANT TO BUILD SOMETHING YOU'RE REALLY NOT SURE IS A GOOD IDEA.

AND WE USE THEIR LAND USE EXPERT IN JANE TO LOOK AT ALL THAT.

AND WE WOULD PROBABLY, IF WE HAD IN-HOUSE, WE WOULD PROBABLY FARM THAT OUT.

WE WOULD PROBABLY STILL DO THAT LOOKING FOR AN EXPERT IN THAT.

UH, THEY HAVE, AS WE SAY, THE EMPLOYEE, UH, SIDE OF IT.

AND THEN YOU HAVE JASON HIMSELF WHO HAS THE BROADER GENERALIST BACKGROUND.

YOU HAVE A SPECIALIST DOWN THERE, MR. ROSE, WHO KNOWS ALL ABOUT ELECTIONS AND ELECTION LAW.

AND WE CAN CALL HIM AND ASK WHAT TO DO ABOUT PEOPLE PLAYING AROUND IN FRONT OF OUR BUILDING AND WHAT ARE THEIR RIGHTS AND WHAT ARE NOT THEIR RIGHTS, ET CETERA.

SO WE THINK WE'RE BETTER OFF WITH THE CONTRACT TO SERVICE, BUT WE WANTED TO SHOW YOU WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE.

QUESTIONS.

WELL, JUST FOR MY COMMENT, I'M PLEASED WITH THE SERVICES THAT WE'VE BEEN GETTING AND, AND, UM, GOING, WHEN YOU OUTSOURCE IT, IT DOES REDUCE THE, UM, THE BUDGET IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

AND THIS IS, SHELTON IS VERY CAPABLE OF WORKING INDEPENDENTLY.

, YOU GIVE HER A PROJECT AND SHE CAN GO DO IT.

HENCE ALL YOUR LEASES, ALL YOUR RENTS BEING PAID, ET CETERA, SHE'S ABLE TO GO OFF AND COLLECT THOSE AND DO THOSE INDEPENDENTLY.

SHE DOESN'T NEED ANYBODY IN THE OFFICE.

AND THE ADDED BONUS IS I THINK EVERYBODY ON THE BOARD LIKES JASON, SO WELL, THAT'S ALWAYS A GOOD THING TOO.

UM, DURING OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT MEETINGS.

OH, J UH, THAT'S JORDAN.

JORDAN BOAT.

JORDAN, YEAH.

JORDAN'S DOWN COMES UP HERE FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND HE DOES THOSE MEETING, HE'S THEIR LAND USE EXPERT.

WE CAN, YOU CAN ALWAYS CHANGE YOUR MIND.

SO IT'S, IT HAS WORKED OUT WELL TO HAVE ALL THESE LEVELS OF EXPERTISE.

WE'D BE REACHING OUT TO SOMEBODY FOR THEM IF WE DIDN'T HAVE .

MIKE, MY, I HAVE A COMMENT.

UH, I THINK IT'S, UH, THE MOST FLEXIBLE MM-HMM.

THE FACT THAT WE HAVE, UM, A GOOD RELATIONSHIP AND A GOOD TRACK RECORD WITH THIS PARTICULAR FIRM IS POSITIVE, BUT IF FOR SOME REASON WE DIDN'T, WE CAN,

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YOU CAN CHANGE EASILY.

WHEREAS IF YOU GO HIRE TWO EMPLOYEES, FIRST OF ALL, IT'S DIFFICULT AT THOSE RATES TO GET GOOD ATTORNEYS.

ONCE YOU HIRE YOUR ADMINISTRATOR OR YOUR DEPUTY, YOU'RE STUCK AND YOU HAVE TO GET RID OF 'EM.

YOU HIRE YOUR ATTORNEY OR YOUR DEPUTY, YOU'RE STUCK.

SO, AND IF YOU HAVE 'EM ON CONTRACT, THEN YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT.

SO I THINK, I THINK WORKING ON A CONTRACT BASIS IS GOOD ALL AROUND FROM MY POINT OF VIEW.

ON, ON THIS, THIS TYPE OF THING.

AND IT ALSO GIVES US THE ABILITY TO SCALE UP IF SOMETHING SIGNIFICANT SHOULD REQUIRE THAT.

SO HENCE THE DIFFERENCE IN JANUARY AND FEBRUARY.

EXACTLY.

UM, I DO HAVE LAST ONE QUESTION.

UM, MOVING TO THE AUDIT AND ACCOUNTING SERVICES, WHAT IT'S UNDER.

UM, I WANNA MAKE SURE I'M ON THE RIGHT.

OH NO, I WENT TOO FAR.

IT WAS MY FAULT.

I'M SORRY, .

IT WAS A, IT WAS A TEST.

WE'RE GOOD.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT'S IN YOUR BUDGET? .

VERY MUCH FOR HAVING ME HERE TONIGHT TO DISCUSS THE FINANCE AND PURCHASING BUDGET.

THANKS JEAN.

ALRIGHT, NEXT ONE IS FINANCE AND PURCHASING.

NON-DEPARTMENTAL .

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU

[C. Financing & Purchasing, Non-Departmental - Budget Request - Alisa Scott]

UH, WE ALSO HAVE CSA, WHICH IS THE CHILDREN'S SERVICES ACT COORDINATOR.

UH, JESSICA MONKA IS IN THE HALL.

SO ONCE WE GET DONE WITH FINANCE AND PURCHASING, AND WE'LL GO ON TO CSA AS WELL.

SO FOR THE FINANCE AND PURCHASING BUDGET, THE SLIGHT CHANGES ARE GOING TO BE IN YOUR AUDIT AND ACCOUNTING SERVICES LINE ITEM FOR THE RFCA AUDIT AND HIRING AN INDEPENDENT CONTRACTOR TO PERFORM CPA DUTIES FOR BOOKKEEPING.

AND WE ALSO HAVE A INCREASE IN OUR BOOKS AND SUBSCRIPTIONS.

WE PURCHASED DEBT BOOK A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO TO BEGIN RECONCILING OUR DEBT SERVICE DE BOOK ALSO ALLOWS US TO RECONCILE OUR LEASES.

SO ANY OF THE COUNTY PROPERTY, WHETHER IT BE A COPIER LEASE OR A RENTAL LEASE FOR A HOUSE OR A HANGAR, THAT'S ALL INCLUDED IN A REQUIREMENT OF A GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTING STANDARDS.

AND WE ALSO DO IT SUBSCRIPTIONS.

IT'S CALLED CDA, SUBSCRIPTION BASED INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY ACCOUNTING.

SO DEBT BOOK COVERS THREE REQUIREMENTS THAT THE COUNTY HAS FOR THE AUDIT, WHICH IS DEBT LEASES AND SUBSCRIPTIONS.

AND THEN AS YOU'RE BECOMING FAMILIAR WITH CLEAR GOV, THIS IS THE, THE PURCHASE AMOUNT FOR CLEAR GOV AND THE ANNUAL MAINTENANCE SERVICE.

ON THIS SUBSCRIPTION, WE ALSO HAVE INCREASES IN ACCOUNTING, BUDGETING, PURCHASING, EDUCATION.

SO YOU'LL SEE I'VE ALLOTTED $3,333 FOR THOSE TYPES OF TASKS THAT THE FINANCE AND PURCHASING OFFICE TAKES CARE OF.

AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE OUR LEASE ON THE POSTAGE MACHINE, UH, AS WELL AS A NEW FINANCE PRINTER.

AND THAT COVERS THE MAJOR EXPENDITURES AND THE CHANGES WITH OUR BUDGET FOR THE SHARE.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? QUESTIONS? SO ALL, ALL IN ALL, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE GOT AN INCREASE OF ABOUT, UH, WHAT, 225,000? YES.

SLIGHT INCREASE? YES.

OKAY, WELL, WHAT NOT NOT QUITE 220,000.

JUST 20,000.

THE, YEAH, IT'S ONLY 6% INCREASE.

AND I DID BUDGET WAS 627,000.

AND THEN THIS REQUEST IS FOR 694,000.

SO JUST 60 MM-HMM.

55.

NO QUESTIONS FOR ME.

IT'S JUST ONLY COMMENT I HAVE IS THAT YOU GUYS DO A REALLY GOOD JOB FOR US.

YOU'VE GOT A GOOD TEAM.

THAT'S AN ANNUAL FEE.

IT IS A MANUAL SUBSCRIPTION.

AND, AND DEBT BOOK IS ANNUAL TOO.

IT IS.

IT'S ALSO A SUBSCRIPTION.

DEBT BOOK IS BRAND NEW.

IT'S NOT BRAND NEW.

IT WAS PURCHASED, UH, TWO YEARS AGO.

SO THIS IS OUR SECOND YEAR OF USING THAT FOCUS IS OUR FIRST YEAR OF THE RECURRING

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AMOUNT FOR CLEAR GOV.

WHAT'S DEBT BOOK AGAIN? DEBT BOOK HANDLES THE GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTING STANDARDS REPORTING THAT WE HAVE TO DO FOR OUR DEBT RECONCILIATION LEASES AND ANY IT SUBSCRIPTIONS THAT WE HAVE.

SO WHAT THIS PROGRAM DOES, IT'S IN THE CLOUD AND MS. SHELTON IS ALSO HELPING ME WITH THIS AS WELL.

BUT WE RECORD ANY OF THE LEASE PAYMENTS THAT WE MAKE AND WE ALSO RECORD ANY OF THE LEASE RECEIVABLES THAT WE EARN AND WE REPORT THOSE AS PART OF OUR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS AT THE END OF THE YEAR.

WE ALSO DID THE SAME THING FOR SUBSCRIPTIONS.

SO THE IT SUBSCRIPTIONS WAS A VERY NEW REQUIREMENT FOR GASB FOR 23.

AND THE LEASES WERE, ARE TWO YEARS OLD.

THEY BEGAN IN 22.

SO THE PARTICULAR THING THIS SOFTWARE DOES IS MAKE IT POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO CONFORM TO REPORTING REQUIREMENTS.

EXACTLY, YES.

SO IF I CAN CALL YOUR ATTENTION DOWN TO OUR AUDIT AND ACCOUNTING SERVICES ON THERE, THE 1 48, YOU KNOW, SHE'S DIVIDED THAT OUT FOR ROBINSON FOX, CARL, FARMER COX, THE AUDITORS, AND THEN THE CPA.

WE'VE BEEN USING A CPA THROUGH THE STATE, UM, POOL TO HELP US WITH OUR BOOKS AND THAT.

AND THE, UM, THAT AUDIT THAT'S BEEN, HE'S BEEN WORKING ON THE EDA BOOKS ALSO TRYING TO SORT THINGS OUT.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS IN THERE THAT THE CPA FOUND THAT THE AUDITOR DID NOT FIND WAS A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, SOME OF YOU MAY REMEMBER, WE APPROVED A TRANSFER OF 330,000 FOR THE SCHOOL TEXTBOOK FUND.

AND THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE BOARD.

AND THE MOTIONS WENT THROUGH AND, UH, WENT OVER TO THE TREASURER.

AND THE TREASURER MADE THE DISBURSEMENT TO THE SCHOOLS, BUT IT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN OUR FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE STATEMENT.

SO IT HIT OUR BOOKS.

IT WAS RECORDED PROPERLY, HOWEVER, IT WAS NOT REPORTED FOR THE PROPER FISCAL YEAR IN WHICH THE TRANSACTION OCCURRED.

SO WE ARE GOING TO BE SEEING A RESTATEMENT FOR THAT PARTICULAR FUND ON THE FISCAL YEAR 23 FINANCIAL STATEMENT.

SO THE AUDITOR'S NOT PERFECT EITHER.

ED, ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE AUDITOR.

UM, 'CAUSE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, 73 4 90 ON HERE FOR RFCA.

, YOU SAID HE, HE ALSO HAS BEEN WORKING A LITTLE BIT ON THE EDA STUFF.

NO, THAT'S THE AUDITOR WHO DOES THE BOOK, THE AUDIT BOOK YOU'RE GONNA GET NEXT MONTH.

OH, OKAY.

SO IT WAS THE CPA DOWN BELOW THE NEXT LINE.

HE DOES WORK, WHICH WE HAVE HAD HIM WORKING ON THE BOOKS FOR THE EDA.

BUT ALSO THE OTHER NIGHT WHEN THE EDA WAS IN FRONT OF US, WE APPROVE MONEY FOR, UH, SEVERAL CATCH UP AUDITS FOR LIKE 2020 TO PRESENT.

SO I'M JUST MAKING SURE THAT SAME WORKS NOT IN BOTH BUDGETS.

YOU'RE RIGHT.

ASKED FOR ALL THAT MONEY.

I DON'T BELIEVE.

UM, I DON'T BELIEVE YOU WILL SEE THAT NUMBER.

AGAIN, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO WITH, UH, BRINGING THE BOX TOGETHER, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA BE THERE.

UH, IF YOU FUND THE EDA TO DO THE AUDITS, THE MONEY GOES TO THE EDA AND THE EDA DECIDES WHERE'S IT GOES.

IF YOU DECIDE TO FUND THE AUDITS, THEN THE BOARD DECIDES WHERE DOES THE MONEY GO AND HOW IT'S SPENT.

BUT WE'RE NOT DOUBLE BUDGETING FOR IT.

WE ISSUED AN RFP AND ROBINSON DEPARTMENT CO COX WON THE AWARD.

SO THIS COST HERE IS JUST FOR THE WHOLE COUNTY TO HAVE OUR AUDIT PERFORMED.

THE COST FOR THE INDIVIDUAL YEARS IN THE EDA BUDGET IS JUST FOR THE EDA.

SO WE PRO WE WERE PROVIDED TWO SEPARATE COSTS FOR THE COUNTY AUDIT.

AND THEN ALSO FOR THE ED'S AUDIT.

THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING.

MM-HMM, , SO THIS AUDIT THAT WE HAVE HERE DOES NOT INCLUDE THE REQUESTED BUDGET FOR THE EDA, CORRECT? CORRECT.

IT DOES NOT, IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THAT.

BUT IT STILL COMES OUT OF THE SAME POT OF MONEY.

IT SURE DOES.

, IT COMES OUT OF THE SAME POT.

THIS PERS, THIS CPA COULD END UP WORKING ON THE EDA BOOKS, THEIR SIDE OF THE BOOKS.

BUT IT'S NOT THE AUDIT SOLICITATION.

IT'S NOT THE AUDIT.

SO YEAH.

QUESTION.

NO, UH, ONE QUESTION IS THAT THERE WAS NO BUDGET FOR THE

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SOFTWARE IN 24.

YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

DEBT BOOK AND CLEAR GOV WERE BOTH PURCHASED WITH ASSET REPLACEMENT MONEY.

SO THERE WAS A LINE ITEM FOR BOARD TECHNOLOGY AND A GROUP OF, UM, EMPLOYEES AND A BOARD MEMBER CAME TOGETHER TO MAKE DECISIONS ON ANY UNEXPECTED SOFTWARE OR COMPUTER BELATED PURCHASES.

UH, AND THE DEBT BOOK IN CLEAR GOV, THEY WERE BOTH UNEXPECTED.

SO THE FIRST YEAR THAT THEY WERE PURCHASED, UH, WHICH WAS 23, YOU'LL SEE THAT IN THE ASSET REPLACEMENT EXPENDITURES.

TO INTRODUCE YOU TO JESSICA MONKA.

AND BECAUSE IT ONLY REALLY APPLIES TO A FINANCE PURCHASE, IT'S COMING WITHIN THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT BUDGET RATHER THAN THE IT OR ASSET REPLACEMENT BUDGET.

[D. Children Services Act (CSA) - Budget Request - Alisa Scott, Jessica Amankrah ]

SHE IS OUR CSA COORDINATOR IN RESPONSIBLE FOR, UH, CHILDREN'S SERVICES ACT.

AND I'LL BE UP HERE TOO IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS.

JESSICA ? I TRY.

HI.

UM, SO I AM THE CHILDREN'S SERVICES ACT COORDINATOR HERE FOR WARREN COUNTY.

UM, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS THAT I CAN ANSWER FOR YOU.

UM, MY BUDGET DOES, UM, ENCOMPASS CHILDREN THAT ARE IN FOSTER CARE, BUT IT IS DIFFERENT THAN THE DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES BUDGET.

UM, I ALSO WORK WITH THE SCHOOLS WITH CHILDREN THAT ARE IN PRIVATE DAY PLACEMENTS.

UM, SO MY BUDGET IS ALSO DIFFERENT FROM THE WARREN COUNTY PUBLIC, EVEN THOUGH WE TOUCH THE SAME CHILDREN.

CAN YOU GIVE MORE BACKGROUND OF YOU DID STATE, FEDERAL? YES.

SO, UM, WHEN CHILDREN ARE IN FOSTER CARE, THEY CAN EITHER BE FUNDED THROUGH TITLE FOUR E, WHICH IS A FEDERALLY FUNDED, UM, PROGRAM FOR BASIC MAINTENANCE AND ENHANCED MAINTENANCE, UM, FOR THEIR FOSTER CARE PLACEMENT.

SO THAT CAN BE REIMBURSABLE SO THAT IT'S NOT, UM, OUT OF COUNTY OR STATE BUDGET.

AND THEN CHILDREN THAT ARE NOT FOUR E ARE CONSIDERED CHILDREN'S SERVICES ACT CHILDREN, UM, WHO DON'T MEET A POVERTY LEVEL FOR THE FOUR E FUNDING.

AND THOSE CHILDREN, UM, ARE FULLY EITHER LOCAL AND STATE MONEY.

UM, SO ALL OF THEIR BASIC MAINTENANCE, ALL OF THE SERVICES, UM, THAT CHILDREN IN FOSTER CARE RECEIVE ALL COME OUT OF CHILDREN'S SERVICES ACT BUDGET.

AND WITH CSA FUNDING, THERE IS A MATCH RATE THAT THE STATE PAYS ABOUT 38 AND A HALF CENTS PER DOLLAR, UM, BACK TO THE STATE, BACK TO OUR BUDGET WHEN WE ASKED FOR THOSE ONES.

SO HOW, HOW MUCH DID WE GET FROM THE FEDERAL AND STATE FOR THIS YEAR? SO I, OR LAST YEAR, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.

UM, WHAT I WILL SAY IS THAT THE CSA BUDGET IS SOME SUFFICIENT.

SO WHATEVER WE ASK FOR, THE STATE HAS TO REIMBURSE US AT OUR MATCH RATE.

JUST WE CAN GET YOU THE YEAH.

WHAT THE ACTUAL, I DON'T KNOW.

I KNOW THAT WE HAD TO ASK FOR A SUPPLEMENTAL, BUT I DIDN'T BRING THAT NUMBER WITH MY OFFICE.

OH, THAT, THAT'S OKAY.

'CAUSE I'M JUST LOOKING AT THIS ONE LINE ITEM HERE.

THE, YOUR, THE, THE CHILDREN'S SERVICE ACT.

AND SO THE EXPEND, YOU KNOW, OUR EXPENSES IS $2.8 MILLION.

SO I, I'M JUST WONDERING HOW MUCH, YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR, 'CAUSE THAT WENT UP AND I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHY IT WENT UP.

WE, WE ARE HELPING MORE CHILDREN AND YES, MA'AM.

I'M NOT QUESTIONING THAT AT ALL.

I, IT'S JUST MORE, I'M JUST INTERESTED TO SEE HOW MUCH THE, UM, WE, UH, THE FEDERAL AND STATE MONEY OFFSETS THAT AMOUNT.

SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER NOW.

YOU CAN JUST GIMME THE NUMBER LATER.

UM, COST OF PRIVATE DAY EDUCATION AND THAT HAD BEEN CAPPED PREVIOUSLY.

CHILDREN INCREASE, BUT THE COST OF PROVIDERS OR SERVICES FOR THE CHILDREN INCREASED BY HOW MUCH THIS YEAR? FOR SOME OF THEM.

UM, SOME OF THEM WERE 15 TO 20%.

UM, SOME OF THEM LESS, SOME OF THEM MORE.

UM, AND THERE HAVE BEEN STUDIES ACROSS THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY WITH THE,

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THAT WAS NOT THE CASE THIS YEAR.

UM, THEY GOT TO FIGURE OUT THEIR OWN RATES AND WE JUST KIND OF HAVE TO PAY THOSE RATES BECAUSE, UM, EVERY CHILD IS ELIGIBLE FOR A FREE AND APPROPRIATE PUBLIC EDUCATION.

AND THAT'S WHAT THAT PRIVATE DAY, UM, IEP ALLOWS CHILDREN TO DO.

WE HAVE TWO SEPARATE WAYS THAT WE ACCOUNT FOR THE REVENUE FOR CSA.

ONE IS WE ACCOUNT FOR IT AS ACTUAL REVENUE FROM, UM, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR THE STATE.

UH, WE ALSO HAVE REIMBURSEMENTS AS WELL.

SO THE REIMBURSEMENTS COME BACK TO AN EXPENDITURE LINE.

SO IF YOU SEE YEAR OVER YEAR THE EXPENSES SORT OF MATCHING UP TO THE REVENUE OR THE LINE BEING EQUALIZED, THEN YOU'LL SEE THAT THAT HAS BEEN REFUNDED.

AND ANY REVENUE, UH, WOULD BE IN THE, AT-RISK RECEIPTS IN THE REVENUE, UH, FOR, UH, CATEGORICAL AID FOR THE STATE.

, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO MAY NOT REMEMBER, CSA WAS A GIFT FROM THOSE PEOPLE WHO BROUGHT YOU THE CAR TAX REIMBURSEMENT .

AND THERE WERE A VARIETY OF PROGRAMS IN THE 1990S THAT WERE STATE AND LOCAL FUNDED.

AND THE STATE PORTION RAN FROM 50% TO 80%.

AND THEY COMBINED THEM ALL TOGETHER AND SAID, NOW THE STATE WILL HAVE ONE NUMBER FOR ALL THOSE PROGRAMS. IN OUR CASE, IT'S 38%.

SO INSTEAD OF THE STATE PAYING 50 TO 80% OF A PARTICULAR PROGRAM FOR A CHILD, THEY PAY 38.

AND YOU PAY THE DIFFERENCE IS THIS TWO POINT, IS THIS 2.8 MILLION.

THE 62% THAT WE'RE PAYING 62.

SO WE'RE NOT PAYING THIS AND THEN GETTING 38% BACK.

NOT OF THIS.

THAT'S SEPARATE.

WHILE SHE GETS THE SCREEN BACK, I'M GOING TO DO THE EASY ONE DRUG COURT COMPLETE WITH PICTURES.

SO THIS IS THE 61.5%.

AND, AND SO JUST JUST TO CLARIFY, I KNOW OF A, UH, OF A FAMILY THAT, UH, THEY HAVE A SPECIAL NEEDS CHILD THAT THEY'RE, THAT THAT THEY'VE GOT, UH, UH, WHO IS, UH, I GUESS HE'S IN THE, UH, UM, IN FOSTER CARE.

AND SO THEY, THEY GET A, I GUESS SOME TYPE OF A STIPEND AND TO TAKE CARE OF.

IS THAT WHAT THAT $2.8 MILLION IS? SO THAT IS PART OF IT, DEPENDING ON THE FUNDING CATEGORY? YES.

ALRIGHT.

I I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.

'CAUSE I, I THINK THAT THEY DO A GREAT JOB WITH THIS, THIS YOUNG BOY.

SO WE HAVE SOME AMAZING FOSTER PARENTS.

ONE BIG WIN WE HAD THIS YEAR WAS GETTING A REPRESENTATIVE, UH, FOR FOSTER PARENTS IN THE AREA.

SO THAT PERSON WHO SERVES AS A CITIZEN APPOINTMENT, UH, SERVES AS A REPRESENTATIVE FOR FOSTER PARENTS.

[E. Administration, Board of Supervisors, Drug Court - Budget Request - Dr. Daley]

DRUG COURT.

YOU AGREED TWO YEARS AGO TO PUT 40,000 NOW 50,000 ALONG WITH TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL OF VALLEY HEALTH.

AND YOU HAVE A THREE-WAY AGREEMENT THAT YOU PUT 150,000 INTO A YEAR TOTAL.

AND THAT'S WHAT'S IN YOUR LITTLE BUDGET THERE.

WHEN WE STARTED THE JUDGE OF COURT IN JULY, WE WERE AWARDED THIS $900,000 GRANT FROM THE BUREAU OF JUSTICE ADMINISTRATION.

AND THAT IS IN COMBINATION WITH SHENANDOAH COUNTY.

WE ARE THE FISCAL AGENT.

SO VALLEY HEALTH, THIS MONEY GOES TO VALLEY HEALTH THROUGH THEIR COALITION.

AND THEY HAVE THAT, THAT MONEY IS THE LOCAL SHARE FOR THIS 900,000, ALONG WITH THE ONE 50 FROM SHENANDOAH.

THAT IS THEIR LOCAL SHARE.

AND THIS, THIS MONEY COMES

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TO WARREN COUNTY, BUT VALLEY HEALTH THROUGH THE COALITION, PAYS THE PROGRAM BILLS AND SUBMITS A REIMBURSEMENT TO WARREN COUNTY.

THEY ALREADY HAVE THIS ONE 50.

SO THEY HAVE THE LOCAL SHARE AND THEY HAVE THIS ONE 50.

SO THEY HAVE THE LOCAL SHARE AND THEN THEY ASK FOR THE REIMBURSEMENT FROM THE 900,000 TO THE COUNTY AND THE COUNTY PAYS THEM BACK THAT REIMBURSEMENT AND SUBMITS FOR REIMBURSEMENT FROM JA.

SO IT'S A LOT OF MONEY GOING AROUND IN A CIRCLE HERE.

AND THIS WAS THE EASIEST WAY THAT WE EXPLAINED IT.

SO IS THAT YOUR, YOUR BUDGET? THIS IS MY COURT.

THIS IS WHAT? DRUG COURT.

WELL WE'RE DONE WITH DRUG COURT.

UNLESS SOMEBODY HAS A QUESTION THAT 50 KS JUST STAYS THE SAME FOR, IT MAY CHANGE IN A COUPLE OF YEARS.

IT'S THE SAME THIS COMING YEAR.

FOR HOW MANY YEARS? IS THAT A, IS THAT A FIXED? IT'S A, THIS IS A FOUR YEAR GRANT.

OH, OKAY.

SO WE'RE IN FOR 50 FOR FOUR YEARS.

SO WE'RE IN IT FOR THEIR, THE AGREEMENT WAS MADE FOR THREE YEARS.

SO WE WILL HAVE TO RENEW THE AGREEMENT IN ANOTHER YEAR AND A HALF.

SO THIS IS OUR SECOND TIME.

THIS IS OUR SECOND YEAR.

AND DRUG CARD COURT STARTED LAST JULY.

YOU READY FOR ADMINISTRATION? THAT'S WHAT I'M, OKAY, LET'S TAKE THE BOARD IF WE COULD.

SO THE BOARD BUDGET, UM, IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

IT'S GOT SALARIES.

YOU HAVE $10,000 IN THERE IF YOU DECIDE TO HIRE A PROFESSIONAL, UH, CONTRACTOR.

ONE TIME YOU USED PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, YOU HAD THE, THE WATER STUDY DONE.

THAT WAS A CONSULTANT THAT YOU USED IN THERE.

UH, YOUR PROFESSIONAL LIABILITY INSURANCE ADVERTISING, UH, THAT IS WHAT YOU PAY PRIMARILY THE NORTHERN VIRGINIA DAILY FOR ALL THESE ADS YOU RUN EVERY MONTH.

SO WHEN YOU SEE A DOUBLE COLUMN IN THE PAPER THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE PAYING FOR.

UM, YOU HAVE SUPPLIES, YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT THERE, UH, FOR DUES AND MEMBERSHIPS.

THEY'RE BROKEN OUT FOR VACO, THE VIRGINIA UVA INQUIRY SERVICE, THAT'S WHERE YOU CAN SUBMIT AN INQUIRY AND THEY WILL TELL YOU WHAT OTHER JURISDICTIONS ARE DOING ABOUT SOMETHING.

THEY'LL CONNECT YOU.

CIVIC CLERK, AND THEN NACO, THAT'S THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES.

UM, THERE WAS INSURANCE IN THIS BUDGET SINCE NO ONE IS USING THE INSURANCE.

WE HAVE TAKEN IT OUT AT ANY TIME ANYBODY WANTS.

WE CAN PUT IT BACK.

? YES.

WHAT WAS THAT? HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH DID IT? 15 JANE.

AND THAT'S ALL YOUR EMPLOYEES.

OH, THAT'S WHAT IT COSTS YOU.

SO IT'S 13,000 PER EMPLOYEE.

AND YOU FORMER SUPERVISORS WERE ENROLLED IN THE REGULAR BOARD, REGULAR EMPLOYEE PROGRAM.

SO IF YOU'VE GOT 10 EMPLOYEE, IF ALL FIVE WERE HERE, IT WOULD BE 65,000.

SO THAT'S HOW MUCH YOU TOOK OUTTA THE BUDGET? MM-HMM, .

THAT'S HELPFUL.

WELL, SINCE YOU WEREN'T USING IT, WE TOOK IT OUT.

WE WERE TAKING IT OUTTA THE BUDGET.

I MEAN WE WEREN'T, WE WEREN'T SPENDING IT ANYWAY.

CORRECT.

IS THE POINT.

YES, THAT'S THE POINT.

WE'RE IT'S ONE THING WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE IN THE BOX.

UM, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, UH, OUR TARGET IS THIS NUMBER FROM 2024 AND WE'RE, UH, $439,000 OVER IT, BUT WE'LL WORK ON THAT TO GET THAT

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BACK DOWN.

UM, THE INTENT IS, AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT'S HERE, SALARY AND BENEFITS OR THE BULK OF IT.

UM, WHAT ARE WE LEASE PURCHASING AGAIN? THE COPIER.

THE COPIER.

WE PAY FOR THE COPIER OUT OF THIS BUDGET.

UM, AND THAT'S ABOUT IT.

THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF CHANGE IN IT.

IT'S, UH, SAME AS I SAY, WE'RE NOT QUITE BELOW, UH, THIS CURRENT YEAR'S BUDGET, BUT WE'LL GET THERE.

HOW IS IT THAT YOUR HYBRID DISABILITY WENT DOWN BY HALF? IT LOOKS LIKE FROM 24 AMENDED VERSUS 25? THAT'S A IS MEADOW'S QUESTION.

IT'S BASED OFF OF WHO WAS ENROLLED.

SO HYBRID DISABILITY IS ONLY FOR EMPLOYEES IN THE RETIREMENT PLAN THAT A HYBRID EMPLOYEE.

SO, UM, PREVIOUSLY THE EMPLOYEES THAT WE HAD WERE IN THAT DIFFERENT YOUR THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE BEFORE I TURN JERRY LOOSE? THANK YOU.

IS FOR GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY.

GOOD EVENING.

BEFORE YOU GO ANY FURTHER, WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENT THINGS ON YOUR UNIFORM? LIKE THE MALTESE CROSSES AND THE, SO THE STRIPES REPRESENT RANK, RIGHT? THE MONTES CROSSES REPRESENT YEAR SERVICE.

UH, WE'LL START WITH THE, UH, PUMPER TOOLS AND EQUIPMENT ACQUISITION.

SO FOR EVERY FIVE YEARS YOU, YOU GET A MALTESE ACROSS.

SO I SEE THAT, UH, THE CHIEF OVER HERE HAS ABOUT 15 OF THOSE , HENCE THIS, I JUST WANNA SAY, UM, VARIOUS 50.

AND YOU GUYS LOOK EXTREMELY PROFESSIONAL AND, UM, AND I JUST COMPLIMENT YOU ON IT.

I, I FEEL LIKE THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA ASK FOR A LOT.

THEY DRESSED UP FOR US.

, USUALLY THAT'S WHAT IT MEANS.

ABSOLUTELY.

SO,

[F. Fire and Rescue - Pumper Tools and Equipment Acquisition - Gerry Maiatico]

UH, DR.

DALEY SAID SINCE WE'RE HERE, WE CAN TALK ABOUT SPENDING SOME MONEY THIS FISCAL YEAR, SINCE WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR NEW FUNDS.

UM, AS THE BOARD'S AWARE, WE HAVE THREE TANKER PUMPERS ON ORDER, UM, IN VARIOUS DIFFERENT STAGES OF BUILD.

UM, THE FIRST TANKER PUMPER THAT WE ORDERED, UM, WE DID NOT INCLUDE IN THAT SPECIFICATION, UM, ANCILLARY TOOLS AND EQUIPMENT.

IT WAS LATER DECIDED THAT SINCE WE WERE DEVELOPING A APPARATUS REPLACEMENT PLAN, WE COULD INCORPORATE IN THAT SPECIFICATION A REPLACEMENT PLAN FOR THE TOOLS AND EQUIPMENT ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

UM, FIRETRUCK, UH, NOZZLES, FITTINGS AND ADAPTERS, UM, FIRE HOSE, UM, VARIOUS TOOLS AND EQUIPMENT, POWER SAWS, VENTILATOR FANS, ET CETERA.

THAT IS NOW PART OF THE SPECIFICATION OF ANY NEW FIRE TRUCK THAT WE ORDER.

SO THE SOUTH WARREN FIRE TRUCK, THOSE TOOLS AND EQUIPMENT WERE INCLUDED IN, UM, THAT SPECIFICATION.

AS WE BEGIN TO PREPARE TO TAKE DELIVERY OF THIS FIRE TRUCK, IT'S THE ADVOCATION OF OUR, UM, FLEET AND APPARATUS DIVISION TO GO AHEAD AND ORDER THE TOOLS AND EQUIPMENT TO PREPARE FOR THE DELIVERY OF THAT FIRST PIECE OF APPARATUS.

ADDITIONALLY, THAT WILL ALLOW US TO POTENTIALLY MOVE SOME OF THOSE TOOLS AND EQUIPMENT INTO A RESERVE STATUS IN CASE SOME BREAK, ET CETERA.

UH, SO WE'VE WORKED WITH THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT AND WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IN WHAT WE'LL COME TO THE BOARD AND ASK FOR IS DOING A CHANGE ORDER TO THAT FIRST FIRE TRUCK, UM, TO INCLUDE THE TOOLS AND EQUIPMENT PURCHASED ON AN HGAC

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CONTRACT.

UM, THE FUNDS FOR THAT IS WE HAVE TALKED WITH THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF FIRE PROGRAMS AND THOSE STATE FUNDS ARE, UH, APPROVED TO UTILIZE FOR THIS TYPE OF PROJECT.

SO WE WILL ASK TO UTILIZE, UM, THE AID TO LOCALITY, UH, FUNDS THROUGH THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF FIRE PROGRAMS AND WE CAN ACHIEVE THIS WITHOUT ASKING THE BOARD FOR A NEW FUNDS APPROPRIATION.

ANY QUESTIONS? NOPE.

COOL.

AND WE WILL THIS WHILE IT SAYS, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT, I MUST HAVE DOUBLE CLICKED A BUTTON.

THIS IS AN INFORMATIONAL ITEM ONLY.

THIS WILL REQUIRE BOARD ACTION.

CORRECT.

ALYSSA, SINCE IT'S 64,000.

SO IN FUNDS FROM FUNDS UNLESS THEY HAVE BEEN APPROVED FOR THIS AND MM-HMM.

, THANK YOU.

SO WE WILL GET THAT ON A UPCOMING MEETING FOR YOUR ALL'S APPROVAL.

SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE ASKING TO SPEND MONEY THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO GIVE YOU? YES.

THAT'S PRETTY EASY.

SO , NO, I MEAN GRANTED THAT YOU NEED IT .

NEXT PROJECT THAT WE'RE, UM, JUST THIS IS, THIS IS AN INFORMATIONAL ONLY ITEM.

UM, SO THE

[G. Fire and Rescue - 14' Inflatable Boat Replacement - Gerry Maiatico]

DR.

DALEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE BOARD KNEW THAT WE WERE WORKING ON THIS INITIATIVE.

ULTIMATELY, WE ARE GOING TO BEGIN THE PROCESS OF REPLACING, UM, THE 14 FOOT INFLATABLE BOAT THAT IS CURRENTLY ASSIGNED TO THE SOUTH WARREN, UM, FIRE STATION, UH, BACK IN JUNE OF 23.

UM, THAT BOAT WAS OPERATING ON A STANDBY EVENT ON THE SHENANDOAH RIVER.

UH, WHEN THEY NOTICED THE BOAT WAS LOSING A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF AIR, UH, THAT BOAT WAS PLACED OUT OF SERVICE, TAKEN OFF OF THE WATER, PLACED OUTTA SERVICE AND IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THE SEAMS OF THE BOAT WERE SEPARATING.

UM, THAT BOAT ASSET WAS A 2015, UH, PVC BOAT.

SO ULTIMATELY, UM, A BOAT MADE OF PVC MATERIALS.

UM, IT WAS DETERMINED THROUGH THE MANUFACTURER THAT THE BOAT WAS NOT REALLY DESIGNED FOR OUR CLIMATE, HIGH HUMIDITIES, HIGH HEAT TEMPERATURE FLUCTUATION.

UM, SO THAT VENDOR HAD RECOMMENDED THAT WE MOVE TO A HAP LAWN STYLE MATERIAL INVO THAT IS DESIGNED FOR THAT.

UM, ADDITIONALLY WE HAVE CHECKED WITH THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF FIRE PROGRAMS AND THEY HAVE INDICATED THAT THAT BOAT WOULD BE A QUALIFIABLE EXPENDITURE.

UH, SO WE WILL BE UTILIZING $8,500 OF FIRE PROGRAMS FUNDS FOR THAT ACQUISITION AS WELL.

AND WE, THE GOOD THING ABOUT THAT BOAT, IT IS THE SAME SIZE.

IT IS THE SAME LENGTH.

WE CAN UTILIZE THE TRAILER THAT WE HAD, WE CAN UTILIZE THE MOTOR WE HAD IN THE EQUIPMENT ON IT AND NOT HAVE TO UPGRADE ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE BOAT.

SO THAT PROJECT WE WILL BE WORKING ON.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT Y'ALL HAD A FAIRLY SPECTACULAR, UH, SUCCESS RECENTLY WITH A WATER RESCUE ON THE RIVER WITH THOSE KAYAKERS AND UH, I THINK YOU HAD SEVERAL BOATS RESPOND AND THIS IS OBVIOUSLY EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.

SO IT'S, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UH,

[Additional Item ]

LASTLY, IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, BUT JUST AN INFORMATIONAL ITEM.

OUR SHENANDOAH FARMS STATION SIX, FOR EVERYBODY THAT IS FAMILIAR WITH THAT FIRE STATION, HAS GONE THROUGH SOME CHANGES OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, OUR LIVING FACILITY IS IN THE OLD FUNDRAISING BUILDING THAT SITS ALONG THE, UH, VILLE ROAD WITH THE OLD FIRE STATION ONLY CONSISTING OF THE OLD APPARATUS BAYS.

UM, OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS, THE APPARATUS BAYS HAVE BECOME EXTREMELY HOT.

THOSE APPARATUS BAYS DO NOT HAVE AIR CONDITIONING.

IT DOES HAVE HEAT THROUGH A PROPANE HEAT SYSTEM.

UM, THOSE CONDITIONS WITHIN THAT APPARATUS BAY HAVE BECOME UNTENABLE.

UM, AND WE HAVE LOST MEDICATION SENSITIVE DRUGS AS A RESULT OF THAT.

SO A DRUG INSIDE OF A VIAL, INSIDE OF A BOX, INSIDE OF A BOX, INSIDE OF A MEDIC UNIT IS GETTING TOO HOT, AND WE ARE HAVING TO REPLACE THAT AND HAVE STAPH CARRY THE DRUGS UP TO THE MAIN FIRE STATION.

UM, AND IF THEY GET A CALL FOR SERVICE, THEY HAVE TO GRAB THAT DRUG BOX AND CARRY THAT DOWN, THROW IT ON THE MEDIC UNIT AND GO.

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UM, STAFF HAS EVALUATED, UH, BATTALION CHIEF SERGEANT WITH OUR FACILITIES HAVE EVALUATED THE OPTION OF PUTTING AN AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEM IN THAT APPARATUS BAY TO PROVIDE A TENABLE SPACE, AS WELL AS PREVENT THE ADDITIONAL LOSS OF HEAT SENSITIVE DRUGS.

HE'S GONE THROUGH THE SOLICITATION FOR BID PROCESS, UH, AND THAT HAS COME BACK AT $12,800 LOW BID.

WE WILL BE KICKING THAT OVER TO THE FINANCE TEAM TO REVIEW, UH, AND WE WILL TRY TO DO THAT, UM, WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE EXISTING, UH, SHENANDOAH FARMS BUDGET TO BE ABLE TO PROCEED WITH THAT AND NOT ASK FOR ANY NEW FUNDS.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? NOPE.

[H. Fire and Rescue - Budget Request - Gerry Maiatico]

NOW'S WHERE WE ASKED FOR A LOT OF FUNDS.

SO PICTURES, PLEASE DON'T READ AHEAD.

SO, , YOU LOOKING THE LAST PAGE? I KNOW THAT'S FIGURE ONE.

THAT'S NOT FAIR.

I SAW, I SAW MR. JAMON GO RIGHT TO THE SUMMARY.

I'M LIKE, WE'RE DONE.

SPOILERS.

THAT'S SPOILERS, RICH.

AND THEN WE'RE DONE.

THAT'S WHAT COMES WITH THESE, RIGHT? THAT IS, THAT'S FUNNY.

SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU ALL FOR HAVING US, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

WE APPRECIATE IT.

SO LISTEN, BEFORE I GET STARTED, UM, I'M REALLY TRYING TO DO A BETTER JOB OF THIS, UM, OF ACKNOWLEDGING THE HARD WORK THAT GOES IN NOT ONLY ON THE FIRE GROUND, NOT ONLY EMERGENCY OPERATIONS, BUT FRANKLY, UM, BEHIND THE SCENES.

AND, UH, I WANNA START AND TELL YOU THAT IF IT WASN'T FOR, UH, CHIEF MI ATTICA, LORI TIERNEY, BRIAN FOLEY, CHIEF SERNA, CAPTAIN CHARDO, I COULD GO ON.

BUT THE REALITY IS THEY JUST DO GREAT WORK AND DO SO IN A YEOMAN'S SPIRIT.

AND, AND IT'S, IT'S REALLY APPRECIATIVE.

AND SO WHEN WE, WHEN WE TRY TO GET THINGS DONE, WE DO SO IN THE SPIRIT OF NOT ONLY BEING GOOD STEWARDS TO THE MONEY, BUT DO RIGHT BY WORKING BACK FROM THE PEOPLE WE SERVE.

SO THIS IS THEIR HARD WORK AND, AND MY THANKS IN ADVANCE.

SO WITH THAT, I'LL GET STARTED WITH, UH, IF I COULD, IF I COULD DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO SLIDE TWO, FIRE AND RESCUE.

THIS IS JUST AT A GLANCE, THE FIRE AND RESCUE ANNUAL RESPONSE DATA.

UM, I WON'T READ IT TO YOU.

I THINK IT'S PRETTY SELF-EXPLANATORY.

JUST ONE THING I WOULD BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION ARE THE TOTALS.

OBVIOUSLY THE DISTRIBUTION IS PRETTY MUCH MARCHES OUT EMS TO FIRE, 80 PLUS PERCENTILE BEING EMS, THE BALANCE BEING FIRE.

UM, AND WE'LL SPEAK MORE TO THAT IN A MOMENT WITH THE ONE SPIKE ACTUALLY IN 2021 OF 76 PLUS HUNDRED CALLS.

UM, LET'S JUST ATTRIBUTE THAT TO THE COVID, UM, EPIDEMIC, IF YOU WILL.

UM, WE SAW A LOT OF PULMONARY, RESPIRATORY CASES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, SO THAT'S ANECDOTAL, BUT I THINK PROBABLY, IF NOT CAUSATION, A STRONG CORRELATION.

SO JUST, I THINK IT MARCHES OUT PRETTY GOOD.

SUFFICE TO SAY OUR CALL VOLUME HAS INCREASED OVER A 10 YEAR PERIOD.

YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT A 33% PLUS CHANGE IN CALL VOLUME INCREASE, IF YOU WILL.

QUESTIONS.

AND IF I WOULD, IF I'LL, I'LL CONCLUDE.

IT'S A, IT'S A VERY BRIEF PRESENTATION.

I'M SURE THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF QUESTIONS.

IF IT'S COOL, WE'LL JUST WAIT TILL THE END OF IT AND THEN WE'LL GO THROUGH 'EM THEN, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

SURE.

CALL DISTRIBUTION SLIDE FIVE OF OUR EMS INCIDENTS BY CALL TYPE.

UM, IF WE CAN MOVE TO SLIDE THREE, THE STATION RESPONSE.

IT KIND OF GIVES YOU A DIS, EXCUSE ME, A DISTRIBU DISTRIBUTION, WAY TOO MANY VOWELS AND CONSONANTS, UH, A DISTRIBUTION OF, UH, EMS AND FIRE OVER A COUPLE YEAR PERIOD ACROSS THE STATION.

RESPONSE COMPARISONS, UM, OBVIOUSLY WITH THE LION'S SHARE BEING IN FRONT ROYAL, OUR FIRE STATION ONE, ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF OUR CALL VOLUME COMES FROM THERE.

THERE IS YOUR CALL PRESSURES LARGELY, AND THEN WE PUSH OUT AFTER THAT.

UM, I'LL MOVE ON TO SLIDE FOUR.

KIND OF GIVES YOU A, UH, PERCENTAGE OR A DISTRIBUTION OF OUR FIRE INCIDENT BY CALL TYPE.

AND THIS IS PULLED FROM OUR CAD, OUR COMPUTER, UH, A DISPATCH CENTER.

UM, KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT AS FAR AS THE CALLS.

AND AGAIN, ANY QUESTIONS I'LL BE GLAD TO ENTERTAIN.

WE TRIED TO BREAK OUT, I THINK MS. CALLERS, YOU BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION, UH, THE IMPORTANCE OF SERVICE CALLS AND WHAT'S IN ENTAILED IN THAT.

WE TRY TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

UM, ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THAT CHART.

MOVING TO THE

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UM, THIS AGAIN IS PULLED FROM THE CALL TYPES WE HAVE IN OUR CAD SYSTEM.

UH, AND IT GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF THE BROAD ARRAY OF, UH, CALLS THAT OUR PARAMEDICS AND, UH, EMTS WERE RUNNING.

I, SO IF I COULD MOVE TO, UH, SLIDE SIX, PLEASE.

JUST, UH, A SUMMARY.

BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE IS A WALKTHROUGH OR A BUDGET REVIEW.

WE WILL HIGHLIGHT THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES IN THE VOLUNTEER FIRE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, THE FIRE AND RESCUE OPERATING SIDE OF THE HOUSE, AND THE COST RECOVERY BUDGET, AS WELL AS LOOK AT THE NEW REQUESTS THAT ARE, UH, WERE UPCOMING FOR OUR FY CYCLE.

SLIDE SEVEN.

UM, IT'S KIND OF BEEN MY SOUNDBITE, UM, SINCE I'VE COME HERE AND I DON'T DO SO, UH, WITH ANY TYPE OF ANECDOTE, IT'S KIND OF JUDICIOUS WITH ME IN THE SENSE THAT THIS IS THE PRIORITY, UM, OF OUR DEPARTMENT AND IT MAKES SENSE.

IT'S LOGICAL.

UM, AND FROM LEFT TO RIGHT, IF YOU MOVE TO THE IMPORTANCE OF STAFFING, SAFE STAFFING AND ENSURING, UH, SAFETY AND ACCOUNTABILITY ON IN EMERGENCY OPERATIONS, UM, HAVING SAFE AND RELIABLE APPARAT AND EQUIPMENT TO RESPOND ON OR RESPOND TO, EXCUSE ME.

AND THEN THE IMPORTANCE OF SAFE FACILITIES AND, AND GOOD FACILITIES MANAGEMENT.

AND THE MANTRA OF ONE DEPARTMENT, ONE MISSION.

IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A DEPARTMENT THAT'S, IT'S BASED ON, UM, NOT JUST CAREER, NOT JUST VOLUNTEER, BUT TOGETHER WE GET A LOT DONE AND WE'RE, WE'RE APPRECIATIVE OF THAT.

WE'RE BETTER FOR IT.

IF YOU LOOK AT SLIDE EIGHT, UH, IT GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF OUR REVENUE PROJECTIONS.

UM, OF SPECIAL NOTE.

UM, THIS FISCAL YEAR, WE WILL NOT RECEIVE ANY REIMBURSEMENT FUNDS FOR THE 2021 SAFER GRANT THAT WAS ACHIEVED, UM, TO STAFF THE RIVERMONT OR FIRE STATION TWO.

ADDITIONALLY, THE DEPARTMENT CONTINUES TO MONITOR THE OFFICE OF EMS ONGOING FINANCIAL CONCERNS.

AND AS SUCH, WE HAVE PROJECTED TO RECEIVE NO FUNDS FROM THE AID TO LOCALITY PROGRAM AND BUILD SUCH FUNDS INTO OUR COST RECOVERY BUDGET.

UH, WE WILL CONTINUE TO MONITOR THESE FUNDS AND MOVE TO REQUEST.

AND WHEN THESE FUNDS ARE UNFROZEN, UH, THE DEPARTMENT IS PROJECTED RECEIVING $105,000 FROM THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF FIRE PROGRAMS AID TO LOCALITY FUND.

AND BASED ON A THREE YEAR ANALYSIS OF OUR COST RECOVERY EMS COST RECOVERY PROGRAM, WE PROJECT $1,148,000 IN GENERATED REVENUE FROM THIS PROGRAM.

SO WE'LL START WITH SLIDE NINE, VOLUNTEER FIRE AND RESCUE BUDGET.

IT WILL REMAIN FLAT.

CONTINUE TO SUPPORT ALL IN COUNTY VOLUNTEER STATIONS IN THE CHESTER GAP AND MIDDLETOWN AUTOMATIC AID STATIONS LINES AGAIN, REMAINING FLAT.

YOU CAN, WE WILL CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE CHESTER GAP.

AHAN COUNTY STAFFING AGREEMENT AT THE 60 40 SPLIT PROJECTED COST LINE ITEMS, AGAIN, REMAINING FLAT, UH, SUPPORTING 46,000.

WE SUPPORT $46 $46,000 INCREASE TO VOLUNTEER INSURANCE LINES BASED ON THE HISTORICAL CLAIM USAGE.

UM, THAT ENCOMPASSES BUILDING AND AUTO ACCIDENT AND SICKNESS, LINE OF DUTY, DEATH, AS WELL AS WORKER'S COMPENSATION.

SLIDE 10 FIRE RESCUE BUDGET.

WE'VE ADJUSTED OUR OVERTIME LINES TO ALIGN WITH 2023 ACTUALS AND 2024 ESTIMATES.

WE CONTINUE TO SUPPORT ANNUAL EMPLOYEE PHYSICALS AND PREVENTIVE CANCER INITIATIVES FOR ALL FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES AND PART-TIME EMPLOYEES.

WE INCREASED OUR MOTOR VEHICLE REPAIR LINE BY $25,000 TO SUPPORT FIRE APPARATUS REPAIRS, AND WE'VE ADDED AN ADDITIONAL $75,000 OF BUILDING MAINTENANCE FUNDS FOR UNANTICIPATED REPAIRS AND REPLACEMENTS TO COUNTY OWNED FACILITIES.

MOST RECENTLY, I THINK YOU ALL WERE AWARE, YOU, WE TOOK A LITTLE FIELD TRIP OUT TO FIRE STATION 10 IS AN EXAMPLE OF SAVING UP THAT STRUCTURE TO ENSURE THAT THE AIRFLOW WAS CORRECT AND POSITIVE PRESSURE TO KEEP OUR MEN AND WOMEN SAFE.

UM, CAPTAIN CERNA ET AL AND CAPTAIN, EXCUSE ME, CHIEF CERNA AND CAPTAIN KALET, THEIR GREAT JOB OF KIND OF LOOKING IN THE WAYS TO DO THAT.

UM, WE'VE GOT THE HVAC SYSTEM, WE'VE GOT THE, THE AIR FLOW IN THE RIGHT WAY.

WE'VE GOT THE, UH, CLIMB EVENT SYSTEM TO CAPTURE THE DIESEL DIESEL EXHAUST, BUT WE'VE YET TO LOOK, LOOK AT THE BEDDING AND OR BIRTHING AREAS TO, TO UPDATE AND HOPE THIS WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE, WHAT THAT MONEY WOULD GO TO.

UH, WE'VE ALSO INCREASED OUR UNIFORM AND APPAREL LINE BY $20,000 TO SUSTAIN, TO SUSTAIN PROGRAM AND PREVIOUS, UH, STAFFING INCREASES.

AND WE'RE INCREASING.

WE ADVOCATE TO INCREASE OUR MOBILE RADIO PAGER LINE BY $25,000 TO BEGIN SYSTEM WIDE REPLACEMENTS OF OUR ALERTING DEVICES.

CONTINUING WITH THE FIRE RESCUE BUDGET, UH, WE WILL ADVOCATE TO ADJUST OFFICE SUPPLY LINE ITEMS TO MEET

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CHART OF ACCOUNTS, ADD AN ADDITIONAL $15,000 IN FUNDS TO SUPPORT THE COUNTY OF WARREN PUBLIC ACCESS DEFIBRILLATOR PROGRAM, ADD AN ADDITIONAL $5,000 TO OUR FIRE PREVENTION PUBLICATION PUBLIC EDUCATION LINE, WHICH, UH, WE LOST SOME YEARS BACK AND WE'RE PUTTING IT BACK AS WE NEED IT.

UM, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE SEEN THE EFFORTS OF LISA WILBANKS SPECIFICALLY.

SHE'S LED THE OPERATION FIRE SAFE INITIATIVES.

WE DO A LOT OF THAT OUT OF HIDE.

UM, WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING WITH RED CROSS AND OR ANY OTHER FOLKS THAT WILL HELP US DONATE, UM, SMOKE DETECTOR PLACEMENTS FOR OUR CITIZEN BASE.

AND THEY, WE DO AN OUTSTANDING JOB WITH THAT.

THAT'S AN EXAMPLE, INCREASING OUR PERSONAL PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT GEAR LINE BY $90,000 TO PERFORM REPLACEMENT IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR NFPA STANDARDS AND INCREASE OUR SELF-CONTAINED BREATHING APPARATUS FUNDS $75,000 TO SUPPORT FIRE OPERATION LINE ITEMS. WE ALSO WILL ADVOCATE TO INCREASE OUR CELL PHONE SERVICE, $3,000 TO ADD WIFI SERVICE TO ALL TANKERS, BRUSH TRUCKS, RESPONSE IPADS FOR OUR SERVICES AND OUR, OUR CALLS SLIDE 12.

OUR COST RECOVERY BUDGET INCREASES ACCOUNTING FEES BASED ON ANTI ANTICIPATED INCREASE IN EMS RECOVERY REVENUE.

THAT'S BOTH GOOD AND BAD.

UM, THE REVENUE STREAM IS COMING IN, BUT AS SUCH, IT GOES UP SLIGHTLY.

INCLUDES FUNDS FOR ONE AMBULANCE TRANSPORT UNIT ACQUISITION, INCREASED MOTOR VEHICLE REPAIRS BY $10,000 FOR ANTICIPATED EMS TRANSPORT, INCREASE EMS OPERATIONS LINE ITEMS BY $45,000 IN ANTICIPATION OF REVENUE REDUCTION FOR THE VIRGINIA OFFICE OF FOUR FOR LIFE PROGRAM OR THE A TO LOCALITY INCREASED MACHINERY, B EQUIPMENT LINED BY $60,000 TO BEGIN THE ANTICIPATED REPLACEMENT OF OUR LIFE PACK, WHICH ARE DEFIBRILLATORS AND OUR CARDIAC MONITORS AND OUR LUCAS DEVICES, WHICH WE USE FOR CPR AND CARDIOPULMONARY RESUSCITATION.

INCREASED COMPUTER EQUIPMENT LINE ITEM BY $3,000 TO AFFORD TO PLACE IPAD DEVICES AGAIN ON ALL TANKERS AND BRUSH RESPONSE UNITS.

SO MOVING TO THE NEW REQUEST, UM, DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO SLIDE 14.

UH, WE'RE ASKING FOR STAFFING FOR THE SHENANDOAH SHORES FIRE STATION STAFFING INITIATIVE THROUGH THE COST OF $646,000 AND $9,983.

UH, INCLUDES ALL THE SOFT COSTS AND OPERATIONAL COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT IN THESE POSITIONS.

IT'S SIX POSITIONS, UH, 24 7 365 STAFFING AT THE NANDO SHORES FIREHOUSE.

UM, STATION STATION FIVE IS THE ONLY UNSTAFFED STATION IN THE WARREN COUNTY FIRE RESPONSE SYSTEM THAT HAS NOW FULL-TIME CAREER STAFFING.

UH, MS. CALLERS, I'LL BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION.

AGAIN, WHEN I CAME HERE, I BILLED IN THE SOFT COST TO IDENTIFY WHAT THAT IS.

THE OBVIOUS, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT IS TO BRING SOMEBODY ABOARD, BUT THAT INCLUDES THEIR NFPA PHYSICALS, THEIR 1582 AND 1583 PHYSICALS.

THAT INCLUDES THEIR PERSONAL PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT AS WELL.

AND THEN ALSO THEIR UNIFORMS TO SCALE.

SO THERE'S NO HIDDEN COST IN THIS.

THIS IS ACTUALLY WHAT IT COSTS TO BRING THESE FOLKS ABOARD.

IT CONTINUES CONSISTENT STAFFING MODELS ACROSS THE STATION RESPONSE DISTRICT.

IT ASSISTS OUR HIGHLY DEDICATED VOLUNTEER RESPONDERS, WHICH WERE IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM.

AND, BUT THEY'RE IN LIMITED NUMBERS.

THEY DO A GREAT JOB, BUT THEY, IT'S, IT'S HARD TO KEEP IT GOING.

STAFFING THE STATION WILL REDUCE CALL PRESSURES ON THE ADJOURNING STATIONS AS WELL, ENSURING PROTECTION WITH LIMITED, DELAYED AND OR BLOCKED INGRESS EGRESS TO THE COMMUNITY.

I THINK, I DON'T NEED TO THINK LOOK TOO FAR BACK ON FEBRUARY 14TH, WE SAW AN EXAMPLE OF THAT.

AND FRANKLY, IT'S NOT ATYPICAL.

IT HAPPENS AND WE JUST DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME.

BUT THE, THE OPPORTUNITY TO, I MEAN, COULD YOU IMAGINE AND NOT DREAM SKY IS FALLING KIND OF GOD, COULD YOU IMAGINE NOT BEING ABLE TO GET TO THE FOLKS OR NOT BEING ABLE TO GET TO A FIRE OR RUN A HAND LINE OR TREAT SOMEBODY THAT'S HAD A HEART ATTACK.

AND THAT'S IN ESSENCE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

CONTINUING WITH THE SHENANDOAH SHORES FIRE STATION STAFFING INITIATIVE.

THE PRIMARY RESPONSE AREAS ARE, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, 1056 PARCELS, OR 2.26 SQUARE MILES.

486 OF THOSE ADDRESSES ARE 46% OCCUPIED.

1,288 ARE ESTIMATED IN THE POPULATION BASE.

PRIMARY RESPONSE AREA, CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE TO INCLUDE THE SHENANDOAH SHORES COMMUNITY, HAPPY CREEK INDUSTRIAL PARK, SETON SCHOOL, CHELSEA ACADEMY, CHRISTEN COLLEGE, THE HUMANE SOCIETY IN NORFOLK, SOUTHERN RAILWAY CROSSING.

ALRIGHT, MOVING ON TO SLIDE 16.

WE'RE ASKING TO INCREASE OUR FLOATER POSITIONS.

THIS REQUEST IS AT THE TUNE OF 318 586 3 3.

I DID THIS EARLIER.

I'M STRUGGLING.

FOLKS.

$318,000 $586 REQUEST

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INCLUDE ALL SOFT COST AGAIN AND OPERATIONAL COST ASSOCIATED WITH ADDING THESE POSITIONS.

INCREASING THE FLOATER POSITIONS TO ADD ONE ADDITIONAL FLOATER PER SHIFT ALLOWS US TO ALLOW OUR PERSONNEL TO TAKE OFF AND DOESN'T KILL US IN OVERTIME.

IT GIVES US A LITTLE BIT OF MEAT ON THE BONE, IF YOU WILL, TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO GO ON TRAINING, LEAVE, VACATION, LEAVE, AND GOD FORBID IF THEY'RE ON SICK LEAVE.

OKAY? UM, IT HELPS TO REDUCE OVERTIME COSTS IN COVERING MINIMUM STAFF POSITIONS AND INCREASES STAFFING AT FRONT ROYAL IF FIRE STATION ONE, WHEN NO LEAVE COVERAGE IS NEEDED.

AND IN ESSENCE IS IF WE'RE FULLY STAFFED AND FOLKS AREN'T OFF, WE'RE GONNA UPS STAFF AT FIRE STATION ONE FIRST.

THE REASON BEING OUR CALL PRESSURES ARE THERE, WE CAN THEN BEGIN TO MOVE TO THE BEGINNINGS OF A DOUBLE PULL COVERAGE.

I MOVING ON TO SLIDE 17, TRUCK 10 REPLACEMENT, AND I KNOW WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS ON THURSDAY AS WELL.

I BELIEVE, UH, JANE MEADOWS AS WELL AS, UH, ALYSSA WILL ADDRESS THIS.

BUT JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT OF WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IN THESE ASSET REPLACEMENTS, $2 MILLION REQUEST, UM, NOT DUE UNTIL ANTICIPATED DELIVERY IN FY 28, UH, FOUR YEAR, FOUR YEAR BUILD AND TURNAROUND TIME FOR THE CONSTRUCTION AND DELIVERY.

IT REPLACES THE CURRENT 2011 105 FOOT AERIAL DEVICE ASSIGNED CURRENTLY OF FIRE STATION 10 OR NORTH WARREN.

THE CURRENT ASSET IS APPROXIMATELY 31,000 MILES, 2,500 ENGINE HOURS, 225 PUMP HOURS.

NFP RECOMMENDS THE AERIAL DEVICE REPLACEMENT AFTER 15 YEARS OF SERVICE.

UM, THERE IS THE ACTUAL 1912 STANDARD, IF YOU'D LIKE TO LOOK IT UP, OR I CAN BRING IT TO YOU.

AND MOVING TO TANKER FOUR OR SLIDE 18, UM, A $700,000 REQUEST NOT TO AGAIN, ANTICIPATE DELIVERY UNTIL FY 27 WITH THE SAME FOUR YEAR BUILD, OR I, I BELIEVE IT'S A THREE YEAR BUILD, EXCUSE ME, TURNAROUND TIME FOR THE CONSTRUCTION AND DELIVERY.

UM, IT REPLACES A 2004 TANKER CURRENTLY ASSIGNED TO THE LINDEN STATION.

THAT ASSET IS APPROXIMATELY 40,000 PLUS MILES AND 2,869 ENGINE HOURS.

AND FINALLY, THE SUV WILL NOT FINALLY, THE SUV AND EMERGENCY VE VEHICLE REPLACEMENT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS REQUEST.

UM, THAT'S NOT SIMPLY FOR THE VEHICLE, BUT IT'S REPLACING A 2001 CHEVROLET SUBURBAN WITH 122,000 PLUS MILES.

AND THE SECOND OR THIRD TRANSMISSION, IT WILL CREATE A PUSH DOWN EFFECT.

SO WE CAN HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF, UM, STAFF VEHICLES, IF YOU WILL, FOR SUCH PURPOSE TRAINING.

UM, FIRE MARSHALS AND, AND THE WORK THEY DO AS WELL AS ALL THE STUFF WE'RE DOING IN RESPONSE ENTITY.

UM, INCLUDES FUNDS FOR VEHICLE LIGHTING MARKETING, UH, PACKAGE AND REAR COMMAND MODULE.

UM, AND IF YOU NEED TO SEE WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, I'LL BE GLAD IT'S, IT'S OUT FRONT.

I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

AND FINALLY, UM, THE LAST BIG TICKET ITEM, IF YOU WILL, THIS YEAR, UM, IS THE CASCADE SYSTEM REPLACEMENT.

AND IT'S 50,000 REQUEST.

IT REPLACES THE SELF-CONTAINED BREATHING APPARATUS.

UM, IT'S WHAT WE USE TO FILL OUR BOTTLES, IN ESSENCE ON OUR BACKS SYSTEM USED TO FILL FIREFIGHTER.

SBA UNITS.

CURRENT SYSTEM IS OVER 20 YEARS OLD.

THE FUNDS WILL ALSO BE MADE AVAILABLE TO REPAIR AND UPGRADE A TRAILERED SYSTEM CURRENTLY OUT OF SERVICE.

SO IN ESSENCE, THEY DON'T HAVE TO ALL COME TO FIRE STATION ONE TO FILL OR FIRE STATION TWO, IN ESSENCE, WE CAN TAKE OUR SHOW ON THE ROAD AND KEEP COMPANIES IN THEIR DISTRICT.

AND THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE, SLIDE 21 OF THE BUDGET PLANNING TR PROCESS.

WE STICK TO, UM, AS WE PRESENT THE BUDGET REQUEST TO YOU, OUR ELECTED LEADERS, WE CONTINUE TO PLAN AND PREPARE FOR THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR PROCESS AND ON, UM, CONTINUALLY EVALUATING OUR CURRENT BUDGETARY PROCESS.

AND FINALLY, SLIDE 22 IS A SUMMARY.

UM, PRETTY MUCH TELLS THE STORY JUST IN A SNAPSHOT.

IT'S A LOT OF MONEY AND WE REALIZE IT, BUT WE WANT TO GET IT IN FRONT OF YOU SO WE CAN HAVE SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT IT.

AND WITH THAT, I'LL CLOSE AND I'LL THANK YOU IN ADVANCE AND OFFER ANY QUESTIONS OR SO THAT, SO THAT, TO, TO SUM THAT UP, IT'S, IT'S ABOUT FOUR AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS IS IS WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR TOTAL.

UH, SO WHAT WAS THE TOTAL PRICE TAG ON THE, JUST THE EQUIPMENT? JUST ON THE EQUIPMENT IS 2.85.

YEAH, BUT WHEN, WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE, AT THE SUMMARY THAT YOU HAVE HERE AT THE, AT THE VERY BACK PAGE, YOU KNOW, THE VOLUNTEER FIRE, THE FIRE AND RESCUE, THE COST RECOVERY, UH, AND THEN YOU ADD ALL THAT UP, THAT'S ABOUT 4.5 MILLION.

YES, SIR.

ALRIGHT.

TO INCLUDE THE STAFFING INITIATIVE.

YES, SIR.

NOW, THE, THE, JUST JUST TO CLARIFY WITH YOU, THE, AND YOU HAD EXPLAINED THIS ONCE BEFORE, THAT, UH, WARREN COUNTY, IF, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT WHERE WE'RE AT, AND, UH, YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE NATIONAL TRENDS WHERE COMMUNITIES

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ARE STARTING TO MOVE AWAY FROM THE VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENTS TO THE FULL-TIME, FULLY STAFFED PROFESSIONAL FIRE DEPARTMENTS, AND I WON'T SAY PROFESSIONAL, I'LL SAY FULL-TIME, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENTS BECAUSE THE, YOU KNOW, THEY, THE VOLUNTEERS, THEIR PROFESSIONAL.

ALSO THE, UM, UM, THIS IS THE COST OF, OF US KIND OF LIKE MIGRATING OVER TO THAT SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO PROVIDE THE TYPE OF, UH, OF, UH, YOU KNOW, SAFETY, FIRE AND RESCUE TO THAT THE, THAT THE COMMUNITY DESERVES OF THE YEAH.

IF I MAY, UM, THANK YOU MR. BUTLER.

IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

SO LET ME CLARIFY ONE THING.

AND I, AND I THINK THIS IS, AND I REALLY WANT TO GO ON RECORD HERE, THAT WE ARE BETTER TOGETHER WITH THE VOLUNTEER SYSTEM.

WE ARE A PART, IT'S A FORCE MULTIPLIER.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE WOULD BE WITHOUT THEM.

AND I WANT TO TELL YOU THAT THAT SAID, UM, WE ALL HAVE THE COMPETING INTERESTS OF LIFE.

I COULDN'T IMAGINE HOLDING ON A FULL-TIME JOB AND A FAMILY AND TRAVELING TO DC AND COME HOME AND THEN STAFF A FIRETRUCK, ESPECIALLY WITH THE IMPLICATIONS OF COVID AND ALL THE OTHER INFECTIOUS DISEASES OUT THERE.

THERE'S IT, IT TAKES ON ANOTHER LEVEL OF CONCERN.

THE GENTLEMAN IN THE BACK, UM, MATT WINES BACK THERE, HE'S A PROFESSIONAL FIREFIGHTER IN FAULKER COUNTY, ALSO VOLUNTEERS IN THE SYSTEM ACROSS THE STREET.

HE'S OUTSTANDING.

WYATT STRICKLAND, PAT SPANGLER, TWO OF THE FINEST MEN YOU'LL EVER MEET AND WILL GIVE YOU EVERYTHING THEY GOT.

AND THEY DO GREAT WORK.

BUT TO YOUR POINT, THE NUMBERS HAVE DWINDLED AND THEY'VE DWINDLED SIGNIFICANTLY, HENCE OUR ASS FOR CAREER STAFFING.

SO WE TRY TO WORK BACK FROM THE FIRE GROUND OR THE EMERGENCY UNITS THAT WE SERVE.

AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, UM, MS. COOK ASKED ME ONE TIME, SHE SAID, WHAT IS THE OVERALL NUMBER YOU'RE LOOKING FOR? AND WHEN I GIVE IT TO YOU, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE ASTOUNDING.

WE'RE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO SCRATCHING THE SURFACE OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO, WHAT WE NEED TO DO, REGARDLESS OF WHO WE ASSEMBLE ON A FIRE GROUND.

AND MAY I ADD, MOST RECENTLY WE LOST A FIREFIGHTER IN LOUDOUN COUNTY, AND THAT'S A NIGHTMARE.

THAT'S THIS FIRE CHIEF'S NIGHTMARE.

AND I GUARANTEE CHIEF JOHNSON'S NIGHTMARE.

I'M NOT TRYING TO BE TELL YOU ANYTHING, THE TRUTH, IF THAT HAPPENED HERE TODAY, UM, I WANT EVERYBODY TO HEAR IT.

WE DO NOT HAVE THE RESILIENCE IN OUR SYSTEM TO HANDLE THAT.

THERE'S NO QUESTION, THERE'S NO AMBIGUITY.

WE DO NOT.

SO WE NEED TO BEGIN TO LOOK AT EARNESTLY UNDERWRITING THE COST OF CAREER STAFFING IN THIS COUNTY.

YES SIR.

NO QUESTIONS.

I JUST WANT TO, UM, SAY, UH, I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST WAYS WE CAN INVEST IN OUR COUNTY.

UH, YOU GUYS DO SO MUCH GOOD WORK AND, UH, WE NEED TO, YOU GUYS NEED TO BE RESOURCED APPROPRIATELY.

UM, AND I'M JUST THINKING, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, INCREASING STAFF, FOR EXAMPLE, AT THE FIREHOUSE ONE, UM, THE, UH, THE BLUE RIDGE AVENUE FIRE AROUND THANKSGIVING, UM, IT WAS, I WAS TOLD THAT, UH, BUT FOR THE FACT THAT IT WAS AT A STAFFING CHANGE, A SHIFT CHANGE MM-HMM.

, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE HAD ENOUGH PEOPLE TO CONTAIN THAT AND IT WOULD'VE SPREAD TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UH, SO IT WAS, UH, IT'S HARD TO CALL IT FORTUITOUS, BUT YOU KNOW, THE TIMING HELPED CONTAIN THE, THE, ABSOLUTELY.

SO THAT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE.

UM, GREAT.

AND I, AND, UH, I WOULD ADD CHAND UH, SHORES IS IN MY DISTRICT, UM, THERE'S DEFINITELY MORE THAN 1200 OR 1300 PEOPLE BACK THERE ON A DAILY BASIS.

WHEN YOU COUNT THE FAMILIES AND, UH, ALL THE STUDENTS AT THE COLLEGE AND THE OTHER SCHOOL AND, AND ALL THE BUSINESSES AND THE, AND THE HAPPY CREEK INDUSTRIAL PARK, IT'S PROBABLY OVER 2000 PEOPLE BACK THERE.

SO THERE IS THAT NEED AND THE FACT THAT IF YOU DO FULLY STAFF THAT STATION, THAT THEY COULD HELP RELIEVE SOME OF THE OTHER STATIONS.

UH, SO IT'S NOT JUST THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE BENEFITING, BUT IT'S THE WHOLE COUNTY.

AND THAT'S IMPORTANT I THINK, FOR EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND.

THANK YOU, MR. STANBOROUGH.

I AGREE.

EVERYTHING YOU SAID, I AGREE WITH ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

I I HAVE ONE.

YES, MA'AM.

IT'S A HARD ONE.

SORRY.

UM, I KNOW, I KNOW THE NUMBERS THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR AS FAR AS STAFF GOES ARE OUR HARD NUMBERS, BUT, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH BUDGETS AND PUTTING IN THE BOX.

AND SO I JUST HAVE TO ASK THIS QUESTION.

OUT OF THE NINE POSITIONS THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR, WHAT CAN YOU LIVE WITH? I KNOW YOU CAN'T LIVE A WITHOUT THE NINE, BUT WHAT CAN YOU, SO LET ME ASK YOU THE MINIMUM THE QUESTION.

MM-HMM, , WHAT DO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH AS A CONSTITUENT? OH, RIGHT NOW, I DO NOT HAVE STAFFING IN THE NANDO SHORES COMMUNITY.

AND I DO NOT HAVE STAFFING ACROSS THE STREET TWO THIRDS OF THE TIME SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU'RE OUT ON CALLS.

SO THAT'S THE QUESTION YOU'RE ASKING.

SO MY ANSWER IS NINE.

VERY GOOD.

PEOPLE WILL, UH, AND, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT MS. COOK WAS GRUMBLING OR ANYTHING, THE, ABOUT THE, THE COST, BUT FOLKS, CONSTITUENTS WILL TEND TO GRUMBLE ABOUT IT UNTIL IT'S NEEDED.

SO, SO, UM, THE, UH, I I JUST ALSO WANTED TO ADD IN THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THAT THE FIRE AND RESCUE, JUST LIKE THE MILITARY

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AND THEN THEY WANT TO KNOW, WELL, HOW COME WE DIDN'T HAVE IT? THANK YOU.

SO THANK YOU.

YOU KNOW, AND I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO BEGIN TO ADDRESS STRATEGIC NEEDS OF THIS COUNTY FROM THE, THE FIRE AND RESCUE SIDE OF THE HOUSE BEFORE A TRAGEDY.

I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF WISDOM IN THIS ROOM, AND WE KNOW WHAT'S RIGHT.

I KNOW WHAT'S RIGHT.

I'M A CONSTITUENT AS WELL.

UM, I'M IN CHERYL'S DISTRICT AND, UH, I PERSONALLY, YOU KNOW, IN A VERY SELFISH WAY COULD SAY, HEY, STAFF THE LITTLE FIREHOUSE DOWN THE STREET FROM ME.

BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE CALL PRESSURES IN THIS COUNTY START RIGHT ACROSS THAT STREET, AND THEN THEY PUSH OUT.

WE HAVE TO BE DATA DRIVEN, AND IT HAS TO BE OBJECTIVE, AND WE HAVE TO HAVE A PLAN.

I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA GET THERE OVERNIGHT, BUT WE HAVE TO BEGIN TO ADDRESS IT.

AND ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.

WE ARE THAT BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT THAT NOBODY PLANS ON USING.

NOBODY WAKES UP AND SAYS, TODAY'S THE DAY I'M GONNA HAVE MY HEART ATTACK, OR TODAY'S THE DAY I'M GONNA GET IN A TRAGIC ACCIDENT.

OR TODAY'S THE DAY MY HOUSE IS GONNA CATCH ON FIRE.

THERE'S A, THERE'S ONE OR TWO.

RIGHT? BUT IN REALITY, IT'S THAT UNPLANNED SERVICE.

NO, YOU DON'T KNOW UNTIL, WE DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT UNTIL YOU NEED TO CALL 9 1 1.

MM-HMM, AND THEN, AND FROM SOMEONE WHO HAD TO CALL IT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT FOR MY DAUGHTER WHO WAS HAVING, UH, POST DNA HEMORRHAGE FIVE MINUTES SEEMS LIKE HOUR.

AN ETERNITY.

AND THE SAME THING.

I MEAN, I'VE, I'VE DONE CPR ON AN UNCLE IN THE MIDDLE OF BENTONVILLE AND WHO DID NOT MAKE IT.

BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WERE RIGHT THERE WHEN HE, WHEN HE ARRESTED AND STARTED CPR.

AND YOU KNOW, BY THE TIME SOMEONE GOT THERE, IT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS, HE PASSED AWAY.

AND WHAT PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE IS WHEN YOU HAVE TWO PEOPLE ON A SHIFT, YOU GET A CALL, SAY YOU GET AN EMS CALL, THEY GO OUT ON THE RESCUE SQUAD, FIVE MINUTES LATER YOU GET A FIRE CALL OR ANOTHER EMS CALL.

THERE'S NO ONE THERE TO RESPOND.

THAT'S CORRECT.

THEY'RE OUT, THE EQUIPMENT'S SET IN THERE READY TO ROLL, BUT THERE'S NOBODY TO ROLL IT OUT.

AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, LIKE I'VE SAID BEFORE, WE HAVE GOT TO EDUCATE THE COMMUNITY.

'CAUSE I, I DON'T THINK ANYONE IS GOING TO BE AGAINST HAVING MORE PEOPLE AND PROVIDING A BETTER SERVICE.

AND, AND LORD KNOWS YOU GUYS ARE PROVIDING A WONDERFUL SERVICE.

I, I GIVE KUDOS TO EVERYONE.

AND I, I SAID, AFTER DOING MY 24 HOURS IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE ONE YOUNG MAN HAD BEEN THERE.

I THINK HE HAD WORKED TWO DAYS CONSECUTIVELY.

I GOT THERE AT SIX 30 THAT MORNING.

HE WAS ALREADY UP, HE LEFT AT 8:45 PM THAT NIGHT TO GO TO VILLE AND WAS BACK AT SIX 30 THE NEXT MORNING.

YES, MA'AM.

LOVE MR. I WORRIED.

I MEAN, I TOLD HIM, I SAID, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GIMME YOUR NUMBER, BUT THE MOTHER HANDED ME IS COMING OUT AND I WORRIED HE WAS GONNA FALL ASLEEP ON THE WAY TO VILLE.

SO I SAID, CALL SOMEBODY AND TELL THEM YOU GOT HOME, BECAUSE I WAS GONNA WORRY ALL NIGHT ABOUT HIM.

UM, AND HE HAD TO GO HOME BECAUSE HE HAD A DOG LIT OUT AND NOBODY THERE TO PUT HIS DOG OUT.

SO, YOU KNOW, I, I SEE IT.

I GET IT.

UM, AND I, I WANT TO PROVIDE YOU WITH WHAT YOU NEED BECAUSE GOODNESS KNOWS, I DON'T WANT ANY OF YOU GETTING HURT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GIVE YOU WHAT YOU NEED TO DO YOUR JOB SAFELY.

UM, JUST FUNDING IT IS THE PROBLEM.

AND I UNDERSTAND THERE, I THINK IS WHERE WE NEED TO EDUCATE THE COMMUNITY AND ALL, YOU KNOW, RALLY AROUND THE IMPORTANCE OF THE STAFFING LEVELS AND THE EQUIPMENT THAT'S NEEDED.

YES, MA'AM.

UM, AND I THINK WE SHOULD BEAT THE BUSH ON SOME OF THESE, UM, INDUSTRIES OUT THERE TO MAYBE HELP FUND A LITTLE BITS MORE THAN WHAT THEY DO.

I THINK THE CHARITABLE SIDE NEEDS TO COME OUT THERE SOME, BUT, UM, BUT I DO APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, FOLKS? I, I HAVE ONE, UM, UH, CONSTITUENTS UP ON BLUE MOUNTAIN HAVE BEEN TELLING ME THEY NEED A WATER TOWER UP THERE.

AND I'M WONDERING IF YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT, UM, AND, UH, UH, ANY BALLPARK SENSE OF WHAT THAT WOULD CAUSE? SO WE HAVE MET WITH THE, I BELIEVE IT'S THE BLUE MOUNTAIN PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION AND A INITIATIVE ABOUT BRINGING IN AN, AN UNDERGROUND TANK OR ABOVEGROUND

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TANK.

AND, UM, ULTIMATELY, UH, THE COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE THE, THE FINANCIAL RESOURCES TO DO THAT PROJECT.

WE OFFERED TO WORK WITH THEM ON, UM, POTENTIAL GRANT OR IF THEY WANTED TO FUND IT, AND POTENTIALLY A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COUNTY, LIKE THE THOMPSON KISS AND RIDE, UM, PROPERTY IS MAYBE PROVIDE A LOCATION TO INSTALL IT.

UM, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THAT PROJECT WAS LEFT BACK IN THE HANDS OF THE POA OR THE HOA.

UM, CURRENTLY AS FAR AS MAINTENANCE, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF, THERE NOT ONLY INSTALLATION COSTS, BUT IF IT'S AN UNDERGROUND TANK TO PREVENT IT FROM FREEZING, UM, IT'S VERY ROCKY THERE, SO WHO'S GONNA EXCAVATE IT, ET CETERA.

UM, CURRENTLY WITHIN OUR RESPONSE SYSTEM, UM, WE MEET ISO STANDARDS FOR THE MOBILIZATION OF WATER THROUGH OUR TANKER RESPONSE PROGRAM.

UH, THE APPARATUS IN WHICH YOU HAVE ORDERED INCREASES THE INITIAL RESPONSE.

UM, SO GOING FROM A 750 GALLON TANK ON A FIRE TRUCK TO 1500 GALLONS PLUS THE TANKER RESPONSES WE HAVE THROUGH THE SUPER TANKER CONCEPT, IE 2000 TO 3000 GALLONS OF WATER, WE FEEL PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN BRING WHAT WATER WE NEED, UM, AND THROUGH WATER SHUTTLES BE ABLE TO GO AND SHUTTLE WATER FROM STATIC WATER SOURCES OR THE MUNICIPAL HYDRANT SYSTEM, UH, TO THE FIRE GROUND THAT WE NEED.

IF THERE WERE A FOREST FIRE UP THERE, YOU'D HAVE TO JUST CALL ON A LOT OF HELP.

I, I WOULD ASSUME, BUT LIKE WATER WOULD BE THE BOTTLENECK OR WOULD OTHER THINGS BE THE BOTTLENECK? UM, THERE'S A LOT OF CONSIDERATIONS AS WHEN IT COMES, UM, WILDFIRES, WE ARE VERY FORTUNATE TO LIVE IN AN AREA WHERE, UM, WILDFIRES THAT WE SEE ON TV AREN'T REALLY THE CONCERN.

FAST MOVING SANTA ANA WINDS, THE THINGS THAT WE SEE ON TV IN CALIFORNIA, THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT WE EXPERIENCE HERE.

WE EXPERIENCE VERY SLOW MOVING GROUND COVER FIRES WHILE DANGEROUS AND WHILE HAZARDOUS, ESPECIALLY IN BLUE MOUNTAIN AND HIGH NOB.

SO THAT'S WHY THE COUNTY PROHIBITS OPEN AIR BURNING IN THOSE TWO LOCALITIES.

FROM A WILDLAND URBAN RISK, UM, ASSESSMENT, UH, WE FEEL CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN MOBILIZE THE NEEDED WATER FOR, FOR THOSE TYPES OF FIRE INCIDENTS.

UM, AGAIN, WE JUST GOTTA HAVE THE STAFFING TO BE ABLE TO GET THE WATER FROM THE FIRE STATION TO THE FIRE GROUND.

AND AS WE MOVE INTO WATER SHUTTLE OPERATIONS, IF WE HAVE TWO PERSON STAFFING IN A FIRE STATION, AND I HAVE TO BE ABLE TO TAKE ONE OF THOSE TO DRIVE THAT PIECE OF APPARATUS BACK TO THE STATIC WATER SOURCE, REGARDLESS OF WHERE IT IS, I DON'T HAVE THAT FIREFIGHTER TO BE ABLE TO SUPPRESS THE FIRE.

SO IT BECOMES VERY LABOR INTENSIVE BECAUSE YOU HAVE LESS PEOPLE FIGHTING THE FIRE, MORE PEOPLE MOVING WATER THAT.

SO STAFFING IS YOUR GREATEST NEED, RIGHT? STAFFING IS THE GREATEST NEED.

ABSOLUTELY.

PROGRAM, WE HAVE A WATER RESPONSE MAP.

DO YOU MOTORS, SEVERAL LIGHTS IN THAT AREA THAT DRIVE? WE DO.

SO, UH, LAKE OF THE CLOUDS IS ONE.

UM, UM, WITHIN THE SHENANDOAH FARMS BLUE MOUNTAIN COMMUNITY SPECIFICALLY, THERE ARE, I BELIEVE FOUR DRY FIRE HYDRANTS.

UH, WHERE THE NEED IS, IS WE JUST DON'T HAVE A DRY FIRE HYDRANT ON THE TOP OF FREEZELAND ROAD, PER SE.

UM, THERE IS ONE CLOSER TO, UM, WHAT THEY CALL LOCK LINDEN, WHICH IS DOWN THE MOUNTAIN A LITTLE BIT, DEPENDING ON WHICH WAY YOU GO, OR, UM, OFF OF FIERY RUN OFF OF JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY.

BUT NOTHING SPECIFICALLY AT THE TOP OF RELAND ROAD.

AND WHAT SPECIFICALLY IS A DRIVE? SO A DRY HYDRANT IS A HYDRANT THAT, UM, ALLOWS A FIRE TRUCK TO MAKE A CONNECTION, THINK OF IT AS A STRAW, AND BE ABLE TO SUCK WATER OUT OF A POND, A LAKE, UM, A RIVER.

SO A STATIC WATER SOURCE.

UM, THEY'RE PRIMARILY BASED OFF OF EFFICIENCY TO BE ABLE TO RAPIDLY HOOK TO THAT HYDRANT.

UM, ALL OF OUR PIECES OF APPARATUS HAVE THE ABILITY TO, UH, WHAT THEY CALL DRAFT, UM, THINK AGAIN, THINK OF THE STRAW TO BE ABLE TO PULL WATER OUT OF THAT STATIC WATER SOURCE AND FILL, UM, OUR RESPONDING UNIT.

SO , THERE IS A STRAINER AT THE END.

HOWEVER, WE HAVE FOUND ROCKS, DEBRIS, UH, AND FISH IN OUR STRAINERS TO, UH, PREVENT ANY TYPE OF CATASTROPHIC FAILURE OF A PUMP.

UM, RIGHT NOW OUR DRY FIRE HYDRANT

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SO BASICALLY WHAT AREAS ARE COVERED BY THE MUNICIPAL HYDRANT SYSTEM AS WELL AS OUR DRY FIRE HYDRANT SYSTEM.

IT KIND OF PROVIDES AN OVERLAY OF WHAT AREAS ARE IN NEED.

UM, JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

JUST THESE ARE AROUND THE PERIPHERY.

I KNOW THESE AREN'T CORE THINGS, BUT I NOTICED THAT, UM, FALSE ALARMS ARE 29% OF FALSE.

IT'S NOT ATYPICAL THAT'S IN THE INDUSTRY.

WHAT, HOW DOES THAT IMPACT? SO COST AND STAFF? YEAH.

NO, IT'S, IT'S FAIR.

UM, IT'S ALMOST A THIRD.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING AND, AND IT IS CONTINGENT ON WHERE YOU'RE AT.

BUT AS AN EXAMPLE, RIGHT? SO THE, WE CALL 'EM SMELLS AND BELTS.

UM, USUALLY THE WELL WORRIED, UM, OR IT'S A MONITORED SYSTEM WITH, UH, A FIRE PROTECTION INDUSTRY THAT HAD A SMOKE DETECTOR HEAD GO OFF OR A WATER FLOW.

THEY'RE IN, THEY'RE IN, UM, BUILDINGS AND, OR PRIMARILY COMMERCIAL AND OR, UM, HIGH-RISE RESIDENTIAL.

MM-HMM SIMPLY TO PRECLUDE AN EMERGENCY, RIGHT? SOMETIMES YOU HAVE FAILURES, YOU HAVE TRIPS, YOU HAVE TROUBLE ALARMS. AND WITH THAT, THAT'S WHAT YOU WILL RESPOND TO.

HOWEVER, IT'LL BE THE ONE TIME YOU SHOW UP, YOU GOT A WATER FLOW ALARM DUE TO A WORKING FIRE.

IT'S DOING WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO.

BUT THERE ARE SOME PROBLEMS. AND THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF THE SMELLS AND BELLS OR FALSE ALARMS WE RUN.

WHAT'S, HOW DO THEY IMPACT THINGS? I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT IS IT? IS IT A NO-NO, THAT, I MEAN, IN OTHER WORDS, WHEN A FALSE, WHEN YOU, YOU KNOW, THE TRUCK COMES OUT AND THE CREW'S OUT THERE AND EVERYTHING, OH, NOTHING HAPPENED HERE.

IS THAT, IS THAT A PROBLEM? LIKE, IS THERE, IS THAT A, DON'T LET THAT HAPPEN AGAIN KIND OF SITUATION? OR IS THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THAT 'CAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO DIS UH, DISCOURAGE, I THINK IT'S CONTINGENT ON THE SITU.

NINE TIMES OUT OF 10, MS. JAMESON, IT'S, IT'S LARGELY DUE TO A, A SYSTEM.

IF IT, IF IT WAS, IF YOU HAD MULTIPLE TIMES YOU WENT TO THAT ADDRESS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE HOMEOWNER OR THE PROPERTY REPRESENTATIVE TO GET IT RESOLVED.

YOU'RE ALWAYS GONNA HAVE THAT.

UM, HOWEVER, UM, NINE TIMES OUTTA 10, IT'S NOT NEFARIOUS.

NOBODY, THEY DON'T PULL A BOX.

SOMETIMES YOU GOTTA A KID THAT'LL PULL AN ALARM OR SOMETHING AND, AND THEY'RE DOING STUFF THAT, BUT LARGELY IT'S USUALLY A FAULTY SYSTEM, FAULTY SWITCH, A TROUBLE ALARM, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.

BUT YEAH, WE DO HAVE INTERFACE WITH THE CLIENT BASE AND HAVE A CONVERSATION AND TRY TO RESOLVE IT SO UNITS DON'T COME BACK.

WE ALSO REDUCE THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE BASED ON THE CALL TYPE.

LIKE, SO IF WE'RE GOING BACK TO THE SAME ADDRESS FOR THE SAME THING, IT MAY BE A REDUCED NUMBER OF ASSETS GOING TO THAT ADDRESS AND THE URGENCY IN WHICH THEY'RE TRAVELING.

THE, THE OTHER VARIABLES TO THAT AS WELL IS THE WELL WORRIED, RIGHT? UM, SOMEBODY DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD AND SEEING SMOKE AND, BUT BY THE TIME FIRE AND RESCUE GETS IN THE AREA, IT'S GONE.

SO THAT'S CHALKED UP AS A GOOD INTENT OR A FALSE CALL.

TANNER WRIGHT, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH TANNER WITE HAS BEEN THE ROOT OF EVIL.

UM, AND THAT IS I CAN GO INTO THE, TO THE LOCAL GUN STORE AND BUY A, A POUND OF EXPLOSIVES AND PUT A BLUE POWDER ON IT OR A PINK POWDER AND SHOOT IT FOR MY GENDER REVEAL.

AND IT EMITS AN EXPLOSION.

UM, IT'S A LEGALIZED EXPLOSIVE SUBSTANCE.

AND IF WE OVER UTILIZE THAT, THE NEIGHBOR HEARS IT, IT ROCKS THE, THE VALLEY AND THEY CALL 9 1 1 BECAUSE THERE'S AN EXPLOSION.

BUT YET AN EXPLOSION NEVER OCCURRED OR FIRE A RESCUE COULDN'T FIND IT AS AN EXAMPLE.

SO THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF CALLS AS WELL THAT WE GET WHERE SERVICE WAS CALLED.

BUT FIRE CREWS DID NOT FIND ANYTHING.

UM, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA GO BACK TO, TO, TO VICKY'S QUESTION.

IT'S UNCOMFORTABLE.

UM, BUT IT'S KIND OF NECESSARY TO PUSH AROUND THE EDGES OF THINGS.

SO I GUESS IT'S JUST WANTING TO KNOW, I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT, YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH ALL THE SCENARIOS, SO, YOU KNOW, AND, AND BY THE WAY, I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M WOULD ECHO WHAT EVERYONE SAID.

UM, NOT, THIS ISN'T THE FORM TO DISCUSS WHAT ALTERNATIVES ARE, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE ARE, I'M, I'M GONNA ASSUME JUST IT'S LIKE A YES OR NO, HAVE YOU GAME THROUGH ALL THE SEMINARS.

IF WE GET, IF WE GET NINE, THIS IS WHAT WE'LL DO.

IF WE GET EIGHT, THIS IS WHAT WE'LL DO.

IF WE GET SIX, THIS IS WHAT WE'LL DO.

I MEAN, THERE ARE OTHER STRATEGIES FOR DEPLOYING RESOURCES.

I MEAN, IF YOU GET, YOU'RE GONNA, BASICALLY, YOU'RE GONNA MAKE THE BEST OF WHAT RESOURCES YOU HAVE.

AND WHAT WOULD YOU SUGGEST? WELL, NO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE STRATEGIES ARE.

WHAT I, WHAT I'M JUST ASCERTAINING IS YOU'VE, UM, ARE THERE, IS THERE A PLAN B, A PLAN CI MEAN, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO.

'CAUSE FOR LIKE WHAT THE PLAN BEING PUT FORTH IS LET'S FULLY STAFF THIS OTHER STATION THAT HAS NO FULL, FULL-TIME STAFFING.

UM, AND IT'S AT THE END OF THE LIST, FOR EXAMPLE, OF, UH, TO THE END OF THE LIST OF THE, OF THE, OF THE RESPONSES.

UM,

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I KNOW THAT I RECOGNIZED AND NO, IT'S A FAIR QUESTION.

SPOKE ABOUT IT, UH, IN TERMS OF THE TRANSITION THAT'S GOING ON AND WANNA SUPPORT THE TRANSITION, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

IT'S A FAIR QUESTION.

SO HERE'S THE THING, UH, THE TWO PERSON STAFFING ON THE THREE SHIFTS THERE, 24 7, 365, DON'T EVEN BEGIN TO SCRATCH THE SURFACE OF SAFETY AND ACCOUNTABILITY.

IT'S A STEP MM-HMM.

IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

SO RESPECTFULLY.

NOW.

SO HERE, SO HERE, HERE'S WHAT YOU DO.

BEFORE I CAME HERE, UM, THE FIRE CHIEF PREVIOUSLY WOULD BROWN OUT OF STATION.

IS ANYBODY FAMILIAR WITH WHAT A BROWN AND OUT STATION IS? CHERYL, YOU PROBABLY ARE.

WELL IN ESSENCE, IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE STAFF AND YOU CLOSED IT DOWN, THERE'S AN ALTERNATIVE.

ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? MM-HMM.

I'M NOT, NO.

AND SO TO ME THE CONVERSATION BEGINS HOW BEST TO UNDERWRITE IT.

I DO AGREE.

AND I'VE HEARD YOU SAY IT AS WELL, SIR.

AND CHERYL SAID IT AGAIN TODAY.

WE HAVE TO EDUCATE OUR COMMUNITY.

LET'S HAVE AN HONEST CONVERSATION.

A GROUP CALLED THE LOOK AT SOMETHING, THE CHAMPION TASK FORCE, THE TASK FORCE, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES TO LOOK AT THAT SPECIFICALLY ASK THE HARD QUESTIONS ON HOW BEST TO UNDERWRITE IT.

AS A CONSTITUENT BASE.

NOW, LEMME TAKE THIS HAT OFF, THIS, ALL THESE STRIPES AND THE GRAY HAIR, I WANNA MAKE SURE PEOPLE CAN GET OUT, GET OUT OF, MY WIFE HAS A HEART ATTACK.

I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I GOT A LS STAFF AND THEIR PARAMEDIC STAFFING IN MY FIREHOUSES.

I DON'T EXPECT THIS PLACE TO BE NORTHERN VIRGINIA, BUT THERE'S A SWEET POINT.

THERE'S A SWEET POINT INSIDE THERE.

AND I THINK THERE'S WAYS TO DO IT.

AND FRANKLY, I'M NOT A FINANCE MAJOR AND I DON'T PLAY ONE ON TV, BUT IF YOU LOOK EAST OF US, THEY FIGURED OUT WAYS TO DO IT.

REFERENDUMS HONEST CONVERSATIONS WITH YOUR COMMUNITY BASE IN REGARDS TO THE RISK BENEFIT ANALYSIS.

AND I KNOW YOU'RE A NUMBERS GUY AND I APPRECIATE IT, BUT THE TRUTH IS WHAT NUMBER DO YOU PUT ON THAT? YEAH, I'M ASKING YOU.

YEAH, WELL NO, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER FOR IT.

BUT, BUT AS I SAID FROM THE DAUS, UM, AND AFTER TALKING TO, UM, KIM AND, UH, TIM, YOU KNOW, THESE, THESE TYPES OF CHARTS, WE, WE NEED TO START A, A PUBLIC RELATIONS CAMPAIGN.

AMEN, BROTHER.

I, AND I'LL, THAT'S, I'LL DO MY BEST TO GET, I MEAN, WE HAVE A SMALL AMOUNT OF TIME, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY I HEAR YOU.

SO, UM, I'M READY TO JUMP IN ON THAT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, UM, AND GET THAT COMMUNICATION EFFORT GOING.

UM, 'CAUSE I JUST, IT'S JUST AN ECHO OF WHAT EVERYONE'S ALREADY SAID.

AS SOON AS THERE'S, WELL, MAYBE AS SOON AS THERE'S A WELL PUBLICIZED, THERE ALREADY ARE RAMIFICATIONS FOR OUR SITUATION, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY.

I THEY'RE JUST NOT, I DON'T, I DON'T, THEY'RE NOT THE, THE, THE, THE DISTINCTION MAY I MM.

IS A TRAGEDY, OKAY? THAT MAYDAY OPERATION THAT HAPPENED EAST OF US, NO QUESTION COULD HAPPEN HERE.

AND I CAN TELL YOU A HUNDRED PERCENT, WE DO NOT HAVE THE RESILIENCY IN THIS SYSTEM TO BEGIN TO DEAL WITH IT.

MY POINT IS, IS WE GOTTA MOVE THE NEEDLE STANDARD DEVIATION.

WE NEED TO MOVE THE NEEDLE IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

MM-HMM, , TO YOUR POINT THOUGH, I DO THINK THERE'S MODELS OUT THERE OF SUCCESS.

HOWEVER, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT COMES DOWN AND YOU HAVE TO UNDERWRITE IT.

AND I DO AGREE THAT THE, THE INITIATIVE OF EDUCATING THE COMMUNITY, I, I DON'T KNOW.

UM, IF I'M SITTING AND YOU PUT IT ON A BALLOT AND I'M EDUCATED OR I'M INFORMED AS A CON, AS A CONSUMER WHO'S INFORMED, I MAKE A CHOICE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND BE VERY SPECIFIC OR DELIBERATE.

AND, AND AGAIN, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW BEST TO UNDERWRITE IT.

I CAN ONLY ASSUME I'VE SEEN WHAT'S WORKED.

I WOULD LEAN HEAVILY ON YOU.

YOU ARE, AND I SAY THIS TO THE WISDOM IN THE ROOM, I THINK TOGETHER WE CAN FIGURE IT OUT, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE GOTTA HAVE AN HONEST COMMUNICATION ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING AWAY.

THESE NUMBERS GONNA CONTINUE TO INCREASE YOUR CALL.

VOLUME'S GONNA CONTINUE TO GO THROUGH THE ROOF.

AND THE POINT IS, IS YOU GOT, AND I SAY THIS TO YOU COMPLETELY HONEST, THERE'S NO BETTER MEN AND WOMEN THAN THE PEOPLE WHO WORK FOR THIS INSTITUTION, BUT THEY'RE SUCCESSFUL IN SPITE OF US, NOT BECAUSE OF US.

AND I, WE NEED TO CHANGE THAT.

YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN WONDERFUL.

YOU ASKED ME YOURSELF, WHEN YOU ROW WITH US THE OTHER DAY, HAS THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS BEEN SUPPORTIVE TO YOU? AND MY ANSWER IS YES, BUT I CAME FROM A REALLY POOR HOUSEHOLD AND A GREAT MOM AND DAD AND I KNEW NO, REALLY EARLY ON, I GET IT.

BUT MY JOB IS TO HONESTLY TELL YOU WHAT WE'RE UP AGAINST.

BUT TOGETHER, I THINK WE CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.

I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER.

IF I DID, I'D BE A MILLIONAIRE.

AND I'M NOT, I, BUT I'M, I'M, I'M PUSHING ON YOU TO SAY, I THINK IF WE PUT OUR, HAVE AN HONEST CONVERSATION AND WE LOOK OVER A 10 YEAR SWATH, THE WORLD WE WANT TO BE, AND WE INCREMENTALLY GET THERE, WE CAN DO IT.

THAT MAN OVER THERE HAS FORGOTTEN MORE ABOUT MATH THAN OLIVER KNOW.

BUT I, I THINK TOGETHER WE CAN GET IT DONE.

I MEAN, KEITH JOHNSON, I TALKED TO HIM WHO'S THE FIRE CHIEF IN LOUDOUN COUNTY.

HE SAID, JIMMY, I DON'T DO THAT.

YOU KNOW, MY, THE WHOLE FINANCE SECTION DOES THAT.

WHAT I'M SAYING IS LET'S PUT OUR HEADS TOGETHER AND PUT A WORKING GROUP TOGETHER.

UM, A UH, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE VERNACULAR DR.

DALEY HELP ME OUT.

WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S

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ANYWAY, I'LL, WELL, THANK YOU.

YEAH, I APPRECIATE THE, THE ABSOLUTELY RESPONSE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO WE'RE GONNA TAKE THAT AS A MAYBE .

SO I'VE BEEN WORKING, I'VE BEEN WORKING THE NUMBERS.

SO I ALSO WANT TO SAY, AND I'LL CLOSE OUT WITH THIS.

I APPRECIATE THE HONESTY.

YEAH, I APPRECIATE THE HONEST DIALOGUE AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO TELL THE TRUTH.

I UNDERSTAND THOUGH.

BUT I WOULDN'T BE HERE IN FRONT OF YOU IF I DIDN'T, IF I DIDN'T BELIEVE IN WHAT I'M SAYING.

THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.

THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

AND Y'ALL HAVE A GOOD EVENING.

YOU TOO.

BRINGS US TO THE END OF, UM, THE AGENDA.

DR, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD BEFORE WE ADJOURN? NO MA'AM.

WE'LL SEE YOU THURSDAY.

SAME PLACE.