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          OKAY. 
          GOOD 
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EVENING EVERYONE. 
          UM, IT'S FIVE O'CLOCK AND WE WILL START THE JOINT MEETING OF THE, UM, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND THE SCHOOL BOARD FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD'S PRESENTATION OF THEIR BUDGET. 
          UM, I GUESS I NEED YOU TO CALL YOURS. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS WORKS. 
          WE HAVEN'T DONE IT THIS WAY BEFORE, BUT IT'S THE SAME AS USUAL. 
          WE'RE JUST GONNA START TALKING. 
          OKAY. 
          AND DR. 
          BALLINGER, ARE YOU WHEN, UH, MR. BALLANTINE READY? SURE. 
          ALL RIGHTY. 
          WE'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU THEN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO, MR. BALLANTINE DID GIVE, UH, OR PROVIDED SOME DOCUMENTATION AND I WILL LET HIM EXPLAIN THE, UH, FIRST DOCUMENT HERE, UH, THAT HAS THE, UH, FOUR SCENARIO AT THE TOP. 
          UM, EXCUSE ME. 
          BEFORE WE START, COULD, CAN YOU JUST KIND OF ADDRESS WHY WE WERE HAVING THIS MEETING? THIS IS TO DISCUSS THE, THE SCHOOL BOARD PROPOSE BUDGET, UM, FOR FISCAL YEAR 25. 
          SO THIS IS A BUDGET WORK SESSION, OR IT'S A BUDGET WORK SESSION FOR, WE GET, UH, WE ARE LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS IN PREPARING FOR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVAL TO THE FISCAL YEAR 25 BUDGET. 
          YEAH, THIS WILL BE OKAY. 
          ROLLING INTO, ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD. 
          JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          THAT'S WHY I SAID THIS IS THEIR PRESENTATION OF THEIR BUDGET TO US. 
          THANK YOU. 
          JUST, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE. 
          BUT OUR BOARD HASN'T VOTED ON THIS YET, SO NO, THIS IS NOT A FINAL, THIS IS NOT OUR FINAL BUDGET. 
          SO THE BOARD WILL BE LOOKING AT OUR BUDGET TO BE, BE APPROVED NEXT WEDNESDAY, OR YEAH, NEXT WEDNESDAY. 
          UM, SO THESE ARE THE NUMBERS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE THAT WE'RE TALKING, AND, UH, JUST EVEN AS OF THIS LAST WEEK, WE GOT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM THE STATE. 
          SO, UH, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW. 
          WE'VE DONE THIS THE SAME WAY EVERY YEAR THAT I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD. 
          IT JUST LOOKS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THIS YEAR BECAUSE WE'RE ALL SITTING UP HERE INSTEAD OF SITTING AT THE BACK OF THE ROOM, JUST KIND OF SITTING IN A CIRCLE TALKING TO EACH OTHER. 
          BUT THAT'S SO WE CAN DO THE LIVE FEED AND HOPEFULLY HAVE IT BROADCAST A LITTLE MORE WIDELY ACROSS THE COUNTY SO EVERYBODY CAN SEE AND HEAR WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF, UM, THE LIVE STREAM AND OF EACH OF OUR BUDGET MEETINGS HAS BEEN TO, UM, BE MORE TRANSPARENT AND SO THAT PEOPLE WHO CAN'T ATTEND PHYSICALLY CAN STILL LOOK. 
          AND IT GIVES US ALL A REFERENCE TO GO BACK ONE AS WELL TO, UH, REFRESH OUR MEMORIES ON EACH OF THE BUDGET PRESENTATIONS. 
          SO THIS IS, LIKE YOU SAID, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS IN ORDER TO DO THIS, WE ALL NEED TO BE ON THE DAIS SO THAT WE HAVE THE AUDIO VISUAL, UM, FOR THE TAPING. 
          SO AGAIN, SIR, WE REALIZE THIS IS PART OF THE PROCESS AND THAT WE WILL BE REVISITING THIS. 
          ALL OF US. 
          WE'RE NOT FINISHED WITH OUR BUDGET AS WELL. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. 
          SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU AGAIN, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          UM, WHAT THE FIRST SHEET SHOWS, UH, IS THERE HAVE BEEN FOUR DIFFERENT STATE BUDGET SCENARIOS THAT WE HAVE WORKED THROUGH STARTING, UH, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PAGE WOULD BE THE GOVERNOR'S PROPOSED BUDGET, WHAT THAT WOULD'VE MEANT FOR WARREN COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS AS FAR AS STATE REVENUE. 
          THAT WAS INTRODUCED BY GOVERNOR YOUNGIN BACK IN DECEMBER. 
          AND IF YOU GO DOWN THE PAGE, UM, THE FIRST ITEM THERE IS WHAT THE PROJECTED REVENUE WOULD BE NOW THAT IS CONSIDERING HIS PROPOSED BUDGET, UH, PLUS FEDERAL REVENUE, WHICH WE'VE BASICALLY LEVEL FUNDED BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW UNTIL PROBABLY AUGUST EXACTLY WHAT THAT WILL BE, BUT IT'S USUALLY PRETTY STEADY. 
          SO WE'VE LEVEL FUNDED THAT FOR BUDGETING PURPOSES AT THIS POINT. 
          UH, WE HAVE MISCELLANEOUS REVENUE, WHICH IS, UM, REVENUE FOR FEES FOR SERVICES OR FEES FOR USE OF FACILITIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, WE'VE DONE A LITTLE BIT OF TWEAKING TO THAT, BUT THAT PRETTY MUCH STAYED THE SAME. 
          AND THEN THERE'S THE COUNTY APPROPRIATION, WHICH FOR ILLUSTRATIVE PURPOSES HERE, WE LEFT LEVEL FUNDED FROM LAST YEAR TO THIS YEAR JUST TO SEE WHAT THE IMPACT OF ALL THESE OTHER BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS WOULD BE TO THE BOTTOM LINE AND, UH, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT THAT 73 MILLION 696, 855 IS AT THE TOP THERE. 
          UM, IN THE GOVERNOR'S BUDGET, HE PROPOSED A 1% SALARY, UM, OR 1% BONUS FOR EMPLOYEES IN FISCAL 25. 
          WHAT WE ALSO DID, UM, IS INCLUDE WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER A STEP OR LONGEVITY INCREASE FOR EACH OF OUR EMPLOYEES, WHICH RANGES IN PERCENTAGE FROM 
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THE TEACHERS I KNOW IS 1.3. 
          THE OTHERS VARY UP AND DOWN A LITTLE BIT, PROBABLY FROM THAT TO 2% TO ONE POINT A HALF PERCENT, WHATEVER. 
          SO THAT'S INCLUDED IN THAT TOTAL COST THERE. 
          AND THAT INCLUDES ALL BENEFITS, HEALTH INSURANCE, EVERYTHING. 
          OUR HEALTH INSURANCE, WE'VE RECEIVED OUR RENEWAL. 
          IT IS SLATED TO GO UP 7.9% NEXT YEAR. 
          AND WHAT WE'VE DONE IS IN THIS CALCULATION HERE, THE 64,000,004 87,981, THAT WOULD HOLD OUR EMPLOYEES HARMLESS ON THAT INCREASE. 
          MEANING THAT IF EMPLOYEE IS PAYING WHATEVER THEY'RE PAYING THIS YEAR FOR THEIR HEALTH INSURANCE NEXT YEAR, THEY WOULD, UH, PAY, PAY THE SAME AMOUNT. 
          IT WOULD NOT GO UP. 
          SO, UM, IT WOULDN'T EAT AWAY AT THE RAISE OR OVERTAKE THE RAISE THAT THEY WOULD GET. 
          UM, WE'LL TALK A LITTLE LATER ABOUT WHAT THE COST OF DOING THAT IS AND, UH, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING FOR FUTURE CONSIDERATION. 
          CAN I ASK A, CAN I ASK A QUICK QUESTION HERE THEN? THE, UH, THAT 7.9%, IS THAT, IS THAT LIKE A UNIVERSAL AROUND THE WHOLE WORLD OR IS THAT BECAUSE OF THE SPECIFIC CARRIER THAT WE'RE USING? ? WE ARE A PART OF THE LOCAL CHOICE, WHICH IS A, UH, A STATE RUN PROGRAM THAT, UH, INCORPORATES A LOT OF MUNICIPALITY, SCHOOL DIVISIONS, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          IT IS A SELF-INSURED RISK POOL. 
          SO TYPICALLY IF WE WERE OUT ON THE MARKET TO BE FULLY INSURED, THEY WOULD LOOK AT IT FROM THE STANDPOINT, OKAY, HERE'S WARREN COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS EXPERIENCE, WE TREND IT OUT 18 MONTHS OR WHATEVER TO GET TO THE END OF THE RENEWAL AND THIS IS WHAT YOUR INCREASE WILL BE BECAUSE WE GOTTA BRING IN THIS MUCH MONEY TO COVER YOUR POTENTIAL CLAIMS. SINCE WE'RE IN THIS GROUP POOL, WHAT IT DOES ALLOW THEM TO DO IS TO SORT OF SMOOTH OUT THE PEAKS AND VALLEYS IN OUR, OUR CLAIMS. SO I KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME LARGE CLAIMS THIS YEAR AND, UH, I THINK IT'S QUITE CONCEIVABLE THAT IF WE WEREN'T IN A PART OF THAT POOL THAT THEY CAN SORT OF SMOOTH OUR, OUR RATE OUT, UM, THE INCREASE. 
          WE MIGHT BE PAYING MORE THAN THAT IF WE WERE IN ANOTHER SITUATION. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S HOW WE DO THE, THE REASON I ASK THAT ASK THAT IS JUST TO, TO CLARIFY THE FACT THAT, UH, THAT WE'RE IN A POOL AND THEN IT'S NOT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE SAID, UH, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA CHOOSE THIS CARRIER OVER HERE BECAUSE WE LIKE WHAT THEY DO. 
          THEY MAY BE A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPENSIVE. 
          NO, IT'S, WE'RE IN A POOL AND THAT'S WHAT THE POOL DOES. 
          THAT IS, AND THE POOL, UH, USES ANTHEM BLUE CROSS BLUE SHIELD TO ADMINISTER IT. 
          AND THEY HAVE VERY GOOD COVERAGE IN THIS AREA FOR OUR EMPLOYEES. 
          THAT'S HOW THAT, HOW WE'RE SET UP ON THAT. 
          WHILE WE HAVE THE COUNTY HERE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS COME UP BEFORE IS HAVE WE CONSIDERED COMBINING THE SCHOOL'S INSURANCE WITH THE COUNTY'S INSURANCE? BECAUSE THAT IS DONE IN OTHER AREAS AND IT CAN SAVE MONEY. 
          SO SOMETHING WORTH LOOKING INTO. 
          I KNOW THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT YEARS AGO. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UM, I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND THE LOGIC OF IT, BUT IT WAS SAID THAT THE SCHOOL DIVISION WOULD CAUSE THE COUNTY'S PART TO INCREASE BECAUSE WE'RE WOMEN, PREDOMINANTLY WOMEN IS THE REASONING BEHIND THAT, THE LOGIC THAT THAT WAS THE, I DUNNO IF THAT'S CURRENTLY THE SAME OR NOT. 
          AND SO, BUT IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THE, THE SCHOOL SYSTEM IS THE LARGEST EMPLOYER AND THE COUNTY EMPLOYS FEWER PEOPLE. 
          SO IF THE FEWER PEOPLE HAVE THEIR RATES GO UP A LITTLE BIT IN ORDER TO KEEP THE LARGER SCHOOL SYSTEMS RATES LOWER, REALLY IT ENDS UP SAVING THE TAXPAYERS MORE MONEY. 
          YEAH. 
          I DON'T KNOW THE, THE ECONOMY OF SCALE, SORRY. 
          I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT IT DOESN'T COST ANYTHING TO LOOK INTO, TO BRING BACK. 
          UM, JUST SO WE KNOW NOW, WE DO BENEFIT FROM THE ECONOMY OF SCALE WITH BEING IN THIS LARGE STATEWIDE POOL. 
          SO WHEN THEY GO TO NEGOTIATE WITH ANTHEM, UM, THEY ARE NEGOTIATING ON BEHALF OF, UM, A THOUSAND THOUSANDS OF, UH, EMPLOYEES THAT ARE INSURED. 
          SO WE DO GET A, UM, YOU KNOW, ECONOMY OF SCALE FROM THAT. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE, UM, BENEFITS TO ACTUALLY COMBINING THE TWO HERE AND, AND GOING OUT THAT WAY. 
          BUT YOUR THOUGHTS, DR. 
          AS YOU MENTIONED, MA'AM, WE HAVE LOOKED AT IT A COUPLE OF TIMES BEFORE THE LAST STUDY. 
          THE RATES WENT UP ON BOTH SIDES. 
          UM, WE CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT AGAIN. 
          AND WHAT TIMEFRAME ARE WE TALKING ABOUT 
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FOR THIS? FOR THIS BUDGET SEASON? NO, SIR. 
          PROBABLY FOR NEXT YEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'D BE A YEAR FROM NOW. 
          YEAH. 
          OUR PLAN YEAR WORKS FROM OCTOBER 1ST TO SEPTEMBER 30TH, MAINLY BECAUSE THAT USED TO BE THE PALE PAY CYCLE FOR OUR, UH, 10 MONTH EMPLOYEES, OUR TEACHERS AND ALL. 
          THEY WOULD GET THEIR FIRST PAY OF THE YEAR IN SEPTEMBER. 
          NOW BECAUSE WE START SCHOOL EARLIER, THEY GET IT IN AUGUST, BUT STILL THAT WAY THEY'VE GOT THEIR NEW PAY BEFORE THE PREMIUMS HIT. 
          THAT OVER THE YEARS HAVE TYPICALLY GONE UP FROM ONE YEAR TO THE NEXT. 
          SO WE'RE ON A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. 
          I THINK THE COUNTY'S ON A JULY TO, TO JUNE PLAN YEAR MAYBE. 
          BUT, UH, WE'RE ON A LITTLE DIFFERENT PLAN YEAR. 
          AND SO WE COME DOWN THE PAGE AND, UM, INCLUDED IN THOSE SALARIES OF, UH, 64 MILLION ITEM TWO A THERE, WE HAVE, UH, EMBARKED ON A PROGRAM WHERE WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE AT LEAST THREE READING SPECIALISTS FOR THE COMING YEAR. 
          WE STARTED THAT BY IDENTIFYING THOSE INDIVIDUALS THIS YEAR AND I THINK HAVE BEEN GIVING 'EM STAFF DEVELOPMENT TRAINING AND THINGS TO HELP THEM TRANSITION. 
          SO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS WE'VE GOTTA BACKFILL THEIR POSITIONS. 
          'CAUSE THEY'RE CLASSROOM TEACHERS AND THEY'RE AT SCHOOLS AND AREAS WHERE WE HAVE GOOD SIZE, UH, CLASSES, SO WE CAN'T AFFORD TO LET THOSE POSITIONS, UM, EVAPORATE. 
          SO THOSE THREE POSITIONS ARE IN THERE. 
          AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER ADDITIONAL POSITION THAT WE DIDN'T START THIS YEAR WITH OR HAVE IN THERE CURRENTLY, BACK IN FEBRUARY, THE SCHOOL BOARD APPROVED A, UH, SPECIALIZED PROGRAMS COORDINATOR FOR OUR SPECIAL ED PROGRAMS. UM, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN SPEAK REAL FLUENT ON THAT, BUT, UH, IT, IT'S A POSITION THAT, UH, WAS DESPERATELY NEEDED FOR, UH, IS IT OUR PRE-K PROGRAMS FOR OUR PATHWAYS AND CONNECTIONS PROGRAMS. AND CAN YOU JUST CONFIRM THAT NUMBER FOR THAT? UM, IS SALARY AND BENEFITS? IT IS. 
          THE PERSON DOES NOT MAKE THAT MUCH MONEY. 
          CORRECT. 
          I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT THAT NUMBER ADD PRESENTED IS EVERYTHING ADD IN 25, 20 6% FOR BENEFITS AND THE HEALTH INSURANCE COSTS THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, IT BUMPS IT JUST OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. 
          SO THEN WE LOOKED AT IT FROM, THAT'S THE LABOR SALARY AND BENEFITS SIDE OF THE BUDGET. 
          WE ALSO HAVE WHAT WE CALL THE NON-LABOR SIDE OF THE BUDGET. 
          AND WE LOOKED AT JUST, OKAY, IF WE JUST LEVEL FUNDED EVERYTHING, WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE? AND THEN WE HAD MEETINGS WITH EVERY PRINCIPAL, EVERY BUILDING ADMINISTRATOR, EVERY COST CENTER, MANAGER, DEPARTMENT, TRANSPORTATION, ALL THOSE, AND ASK THEM TO CREATE A ZERO BASED BUDGET, UM, ON THEIR NON-LABOR. 
          START FROM SCRATCH, HERE'S WHAT YOU NEED TO COMPLETE NEXT YEAR. 
          AND THOSE REQUESTS WOULD ADD ABOUT 2.2 MILLION TO THAT NON-LABOR BUDGET. 
          NOW, THEIR REQUESTS WERE GREATER THAN THAT, BUT UM, THROUGH STAFF WORKING ON IT, CENTRAL OFFICE STAFF AND THEN BUDGET COMMITTEE, UM, THAT'S BEEN WHITTLED DOWN TO 2.2 MILLION. 
          AND THEN UNDER THIS PARTICULAR CASE OF THE GOVERNOR'S BUDGET, IF WE WERE TO BALANCE THAT BUDGET WITH THOSE EXPENDITURES IN IT, IT WOULD HAVE REQUIRED OVER A $4 MILLION INCREASE FROM THE COUNTY. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, UH, I WAS JUST WONDERING THE, UH, YOU SAID THAT, UH, THAT YOU STARTED OUT WITH A CERTAIN SUM, YOU'RE ABLE TO WHITTLE THAT DOWN. 
          CAN YOU GIVE US, UH, AN IDEA AS TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE, WHAT THE WISH WAS, WHAT THE WISHLIST WAS, WHAT THAT LOOKED LIKE, AND THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE AMOUNT LOOKED LIKE AND THEN WHAT, WHAT YOU WERE ABLE TO GET IT DOWN TO? OKAY. 
          UM, WELL THE, UH, INITIAL REQUESTS FROM ALL THE REQUESTS CAME OUT TO JUST OVER $15 MILLION, 15 MILLION, $97, UM, WHICH WAS A 4.1 MILLION INCREASE OVER THE CURRENT, WE'VE RECOMMENDED THROUGH STAFF AND THROUGH THE BUDGET COMMITTEE TO REMOVE 1.8, UH, MILLION OF THAT 1,000,008 58 381. 
          SO THAT GETS THE INCREASE DOWN FROM THE INITIAL 4.1 MILLION TO THE 2.25 MILLION. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          AND THAT'S THE SECOND PACKET IN THERE. 
          AND IF WE GO THROUGH THIS, THEN WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THOSE INCREASES OR WHATEVER, I GUESS WE CAN SHARE THAT, THAT INFORMATION WITH YOU. 
          THE SECOND COLUMN IS WHAT THE HOUSE, UM, WHEN CROSSOVER CAME AND THE HOUSE BROUGHT THEIR BUDGET FORWARD AND 
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THE SENATE BROUGHT THEIR BUDGET FORWARD A MONTH OR SO AGO, THAT, UM, IS WHAT OUR REVENUE WOULD HAVE BEEN UNDER THOSE PROPOSALS. 
          NOW THE DIFFERENCE BEING, UM, AS FAR AS THE EXPENDITURE SIDE WOULD BE THAT THOSE BUDGETS INCLUDED EITHER A 3% OR A THREE AND THREE EIGHTS PERCENT INCREASE, UM, BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE BUDGETS AND INCENTIVE WHERE THEY PROVIDE MONEY. 
          NOW, THIS MONEY DOESN'T COVER THE WHOLE COST OF IT, BUT IT'S AN INCENTIVE FOR DIVISIONS TO GIVE A 3% OR THREE AND THREE 8% INCREASE. 
          SO THAT BUMPS UP THE TOTAL COST OF SALARY AND BENEFITS TO THE 65 MILLION 282, 3 55. 
          THE OTHER ITEMS GOING DOWN THE PAGE WOULD REMAIN THE SAME EXCEPT BECAUSE THERE IS ADDITIONAL STATE REVENUE THAT WOULD'VE REDUCED THE COUNTY, UM, INCREASE TO 3.3 MILLION UNDER THE HOUSE PROPOSAL OR 2.5 MILLION UNDER THE SENATE PROPOSAL. 
          NOW WE'VE JUST THIS WEEK RECEIVED THE NUMBERS BROKEN OUT BY SCHOOL DIVISION OVER THE BUDGET THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE CONFERENCE COMMITTEE AND THE, UH, HOUSE AND SENATE BEFORE THEY ADJOURNED. 
          THAT GIVES US JUST SLIGHTLY LESS THAN WHAT THE SENATE BUDGET WOULD'VE GIVEN US. 
          SO WHEN YOU COME DOWN THAT PAGE, THAT WOULD GIVE US AN INCREASE OF 2.6, UH, TWO 5 MILLION, UM, FROM THE COUNTY IF WE WERE TO BALANCE THE BUDGET AS IT SITS. 
          NOW, EXPLAIN THAT. 
          YES. 
          AND THEN AS WE GO DOWN THE PAGE AT THE BOTTOM THERE, UNDER NUMBER SIX, OTHER CONSIDERATIONS, WE TALKED ABOUT THE HEALTH INSURANCE AND HOLDING OUR EMPLOYEES HARMLESS. 
          IF THE SCHOOL BOARD, THE EMPLOYER WERE TO INCUR A 7.9% INCREASE IN ITS PREMIUM AND THE EMPLOYEE A 7.9% INCREASE IN THEIR PREMIUM, THAT WOULD GIVE A SAVINGS OF JUST OVER $302,000. 
          SO IF THE DECISION WERE MADE BY THE SCHOOL BOARD TO SHARE THAT INCREASE AMONGST THE EMPLOYEE AND THE EMPLOYER, THAT WOULD SAVE THE SCHOOL BOARD $302,000. 
          SO, SO IS THAT YOU, YOU SAID THE 7.9%? SO THAT MEANS THAT THAT WOULD BE, UH, UH, THREE POINT, UH, FOUR, NO, 3.95% FOR THE, UH, FOR THE THE SCHOOL AND 3.95% FOR THE, THE, THE, THE, THE TEACHER. 
          THE EMPLOYEE. 
          NO, IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE, UM, BECAUSE IF WE SHARED 50 50, ROUGHLY, ROUGHLY 6 MILLION IS WHAT OUR INSURANCE PLAN IS. 
          SO IT'S GOING UP 7.9% ON THAT TOTAL AMOUNT. 
          THE WAY WE'VE DONE IT IS THAT TOTAL AMOUNT'S BROKEN DOWN INTO AN EMPLOYEE AND EMPLOYER, THE EMPLOYER BEING MUCH LARGER THAN THE EMPLOYEE CONTRIBUTION. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE EMPLOYER WILL HAVE TO GO UP MORE THAN 7.9 IF WE ARE TO NOT INCREASE THE EMPLOYEE PART 7.9. 
          OKAY. 
          IF WE INCREASE 'EM BOTH 7.9 TO GET THAT TOTAL 7.9 INCREASE ON THE TOTAL PREMIUM, THEN THAT WOULD SAVE US 302,000. 
          OKAY. 
          HOW MANY YEARS HAVE WE HELD IT FLAT WITHOUT RAISING IT? LIKE HOW MANY YEARS HAVE WE EATEN IT AND NOT GIVEN AN INCREASE TO THE EMPLOYEES? THIS IS PROBABLY THE FOURTH YEAR. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING BACK. 
          I DON'T THINK, IT HASN'T BEEN INCREASED SINCE I'VE ON BOARD, BOARD. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT THE INSURANCE RATES FOR THE STAFF HAS NOT INCREASED AT ALL SINCE, AND I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD SINCE YOU EITHER SO OR NO FIVE YEARS. 
          NO, AND THAT'S ONE THING THAT I'VE ALWAYS TRIED TO, TO KEEP THAT I, I WOULD JUST GIVE A COUPLE EXAMPLES. 
          I DID SHARE THIS WITH THE BUDGET COMMITTEE. 
          UH, WHEN, WHEN LOOKING AT THE, THE COST TO, TO INCREASE FOR RENEWALS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE TWO OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE, FOR INSTANCE, UM, IF WE DON'T HOLD THE EMPLOYEE HARMLESS OR SAY WE HOLD THE EMPLOYEE HARMLESS, WE DON'T INCREASE THEIR, THEIR PREMIUM. 
          AND I'M GONNA USE JUST THE FAMILY AT THE A THOUSAND DOLLARS DEDUCTIBLE. 
          UH, SO IF A, IF A, IF AN EMPLOYEE IS TAKING THE FAMILY PLAN WITH A THOUSAND DOLLARS DEDUCTIBLE, THEY'RE CURRENTLY PAYING A PREMIUM OF $626 A MONTH, THAT'S THE EMPLOYEE COST, THE DIVISION COST OR OUR COST IS 1,372. 
          IF WE MOVE TO, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO SHARE THIS COST, UM, OUR INCREASE WOULD ONLY, UM, UH, SO THE EMPLOYEE WOULD ACTUALLY GO UP TO $699 FROM 6 26 PER MONTH. 
          SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT JUST ABOUT A $70 INCREASE PER MONTH 
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ON THE EMPLOYEE FOR 12 MONTHS. 
          UM, THERE, AND, AND THEY'RE ALL BROKE DOWN IN DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THEM YOU SEE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A HIGHER INCREASE IN SOME OF THEM THAN YOU DO IN OTHERS. 
          SO RIGHT NOW WE CURRENTLY HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, AN EMPLOYEE CAN GET AN HSA EMPLOYEE ONLY AND IT DOESN'T COST THEM ANYTHING. 
          SO THROUGH THAT HSA, THAT WILL NOT COST AN EMPLOYEE NOTHING. 
          RIGHT? NOW, CURRENTLY, IF WE DO SHARE THAT COST, THAT WILL COST THE EMPLOYEE $23 FOR THAT. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S STILL A MANAGEABLE THING, BUT IT, IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING UP THAT $23 ON AN EMPLOYEE PER MONTH. 
          UH, SO, SO THERE'S VARIOUS, YOU KNOW, THINGS WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE COSTS ARE AND DEPENDING UPON OUR, OUR PLAN THAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE EMPLOYEE, ONLY, EMPLOYEE, CHILD, EMPLOYEE, SPOUSE, EMPLOYEE, CHILDREN, FAMILY. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WE OFFER TO OUREMPLOYEES. 
          AND DEPENDING UPON IF THEY'RE TAKING THE HSA OR IF THEY'RE TAKING A THOUSAND DOLLARS DEDUCTIBLE OR IF THEY'RE TAKING THE TWO $50 DEDUCTIBLE WILL DEPEND UPON WHAT THAT INCREASE WILL BE FOR THEM AND FOR THE SCHOOL, DEPENDING UPON WHICH WAY WE GO. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION, JUST A CLARIFICATION. 
          SO WE'RE DEALING WITH THE LAST COLUMN NOW, RIGHT? THE CONFERENCE APPROVED THAT BUDGET. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THE, THE PROJECTED REVENUE IS THEN THAT'S A PRETTY FIRM NUMBER. 
          I MEAN, IS THAT WHAT, AS LONG AS THE GOVERNOR SIGNS IT, . 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO IF WE LOOK AT, I, UH, LINE ONE, ARE WE SUPPOSED TO ADD UP TO A TWO B, TWO C3 AND FOUR AND TAKE THOSE AWAY FROM, FROM LINE ONE? HOW DO WE GET TO ZERO? HOW DO WE GET TO ZERO ON LINE FIVE? THIS, THIS, THAT. 
          YES. 
          YOU'RE ADDING THAT PLUS THAT PLUS THAT. 
          NO, YOU'RE TAKING THIS AND SUBTRACTING THESE AND THEN HAVING TO ADD THIS TO GET IT BACK. 
          WELL, LET'S TALK, TALK ABOUT LINE ONE. 
          LINE TWO, LINE THREE. 
          OKAY. 
          START, START WITH LINE ONE. 
          THAT'S REVENUE. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO DO WE ADD UP WHAT WE SEE ON TWO C, WHICH IS 65 2 82? YOU WOULD SUBTRACT THAT FROM THE REVENUE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SUBTRACT IT. 
          BUT THESE ARE ALL DEDUCTIONS FROM THE REVENUE TILL YOU GET DOWN TO THE REQUIRED ADDITIONAL COUNTY APPROPRIATION. 
          THAT'S WHAT'S REQUIRED. 
          ADDITIONAL TO THE AMOUNT THAT'S IN THE 76 MILLION OR 75 MILLION, WHATEVER, TO GET IT BACK UP OR TO GET THE DEFICIT TO ZERO. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK, LET'S CHECK THE MATH. 
          'CAUSE IS IT NOT, EITHER THERE'S A SIGN THAT'S OFF OR, WELL, YEAH, IF YOU TAKE THAT 7, 5, 9 AND MINUS ALL THOSE THREE THINGS YOU GET, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE 2.625. 
          THAT'S WHAT THE ADDITIONAL REQUEST WOULD BE TO MAKE IT BALANCE. 
          IT JUST DOESN'T SHOW IT THAT WAY. 
          IT DOESN'T SHOW IT THAT WAY. 
          IT DOESN'T SHOW IT EXACTLY THE WAY THEY'RE SAYING. 
          SO, SO IF YOU, IF YOU DON'T, UM, WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO MAKE THAT 75 9 7 IS THE 2 6, 2 5. 
          YEAH, I JUST, THE MATH HERE AND IT APPEARS TO WORK. 
          IT'S JUST, IIII SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I MATH YOUR QUESTION. 
          WHAT MATH, WHAT MATH ARE YOU DOING? SO THESE SHOULD BE MINUSES. 
          YES. 
          AND THEN THIS SHOULD BE A PLUS OKAY. 
          FROM THE COUNTY. 
          OKAY. 
          IT JUST DOESN'T SHOW THAT AT ALL. 
          LET ROSE PLUS FOUR, YOU'RE DEDUCTING ALL THOSE THEN ADDING THAT BACK. 
          OKAY. 
          IT JUST, IT DOESN'T INDICATE THAT ALL THAT ANSWERS I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          AND THAT SHOULD BE THE GAP BETWEEN THESE TWO IS FOUR, 4.8, BASICALLY FOUR, ALMOST $5 MILLION. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I'M, WHAT ARE WE ADDING AND SUBTRACTING MAIL? SO THE VERY, THE UM, THE, THE FIVE, HOLD ON, I'M SORRY. 
          THE FOUR IS WHERE IT'S SHOWING WHAT, WHAT ADDITIONAL MONEY APPROPRIATION WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR FROM WARREN COUNTY. 
          FROM THE COUNTY TO MAKE THIS COME OUT TO ZERO. 
          SO IT'S BASICALLY WE'RE SUBTRACTING TWO C, WE'RE SUBTRACTING, UM, THREE, WE'RE SUBTRACTING, YOU KNOW, THE 2.25 AND THEN WE'RE ADDING THAT 2.625 TO GET TO THE ZERO. 
          GET IT BACK TO ZERO TO GET IT BACK TO ZERO. 
          OKAY. 
          ON THE FOURTH COLUMN. 
          SO IF I SUBTRACT THE 65 AND I SUBTRACT THE 11, I'M OVER THE 76. 
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AND THESE LOOK, IT LOOKS LIKE THE TWO THREE ARE BOTH, UH, EXPENDITURES. 
          THEY ARE RATHER THAN REVENUES. 
          MM-HMM, . 
          SO DON'T, DON'T WE TAKE THE TOTAL UP HERE, THE 76 70 5,000 909 7 AND SUBTRACT THE STATE CONTRIBUTION. 
          ISN'T THAT THE WAY WE WOULD GET THE COUNTY SHARE? WELL, THE, THE 75 997 25, WHICH IS THE APPROVED BUDGET FROM THE STATE AT THIS POINT, THAT INCLUDES THE STATE REVENUE AND IT INCLUDES THE COUNTY LEVEL FUNDING US PLUS FEDERAL REVENUE PLUS MISCELLANEOUS REVENUE. 
          SO THAT IS THE TOTAL REVENUE WE COULD EXPECT BASED ON THE STATE BUDGET. 
          AND AGAIN, THE COUNTY LEVEL FUNDING US, UM, AND OUR FEDERAL REVENUE BASICALLY REMAINING FLAT. 
          THEN AS EXPENSES AGAINST THAT, YOU HAVE TWO C THE SALARIES, YOU HAVE THE SPECIALIZED PROGRAM COORDINATOR, THE A HUNDRED AND ONE EIGHT FIFTEEN DEDUCTS, THE NON-LABOR LEVEL FUNDING IT, YOU DEDUCT THAT AND THEN YOU DEDUCT THE INCREASE IN NON-LABOR, THE 2, 2, 5 0. 
          AND IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE THAT NEXT NUMBER, THE BUMP UP IN THE COUNTY APPROPRIATION, WE WOULD HAVE A DEFICIT OF THE 2 MILLION 625 9 17. 
          THE 2 MILLION 625, 917 WOULD BE ADDED BACK AT THE VERY TOP TO THE REVENUE TO, TO BALANCE THE EXPENDITURES LISTED THERE. 
          THOSE EXPENDITURES SHOULD BE IN BRACKETS SHOWING THAT THEY ARE AN EXPENSE. 
          SO YOU HAVE SOMEPLACE, YOU'VE GOT A DOCUMENT THAT SHOWS THE STATE MONEY AS YES. 
          PLUS THE AS 73 75 MINUS THE 73 HERE AND THE 28 6 TO COME UP WITH A TOTAL OF 2.6 SOMEPLACE. 
          YOU'VE GOT A ITEMIZED OF WHAT THE OTHER 73 3, INCLUDING THE 28 COUNTIES, 28 6, WHAT THAT IS? YES. 
          YES. 
          I HAVE ALL THE RECORDS THAT'S SEPARATE FROM THIS SHEET. 
          IT IS, IT IS, YES. 
          THERE'S, I I MEAN I GOT THE DETAIL HERE. 
          I DIDN'T MAKE COPIES FOR EVERYONE, BUT IT'S, UH, DO YOU WANT ME TO MAKE COPIES? YOU'D LIKE TO YES, SURE. 
          SHEET THERE. 
          MAKE COPIES FOR EVERYBODY. 
          SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE'RE WE'RE REQUESTING 78,622,942. 
          THE STATE'S GIVING US THE 75,000 997 0 25. 
          AND THE DIFFERENCE IS 2 MILLION SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR THE COUNTY. 
          WELL, YEAH. 
          SO, SO THE STATE'S NOT GIVING US THAT FULL AMOUNT BECAUSE WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE SAID, OKAY, WE LEVEL FUNDED WITH AS A PROJECTION SO THAT WE CAN SEE THE OVERAGE FROM THE COUNTY. 
          SO LAST YEAR THE COUNTY GAVE US 28 5 28, 6, I THINK 28, 6 20. 
          SO WE FIGURED THIS YEAR ON 28, 6 20, JUST SIX 50. 
          OKAY. 
          28, 6 50. 
          JUST TO START TO SAY, OKAY, CAN WE MAKE IT WITHIN WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE OR WHAT WOULD THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT BE? THAT'S OVER WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY HEARS THIS 'CAUSE IT'S KIND OF HARD TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS . 
          UM, WHAT MS. CALLERS AND I WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT IS, LAST YEAR'S ASK WAS THE 26, 20 8,000,650 WAS LAST YEAR'S ASK LAST YEAR OR, UH, WHICH IS REALLY THIS YEAR'S NUMBER NOW. 
          AND THEN, SO THE TOTAL NEW ASK WOULD BE THAT NUMBER, THE 2 MILLION 625 917 MM-HMM. 
           ON TOP OF, ON TOP OF THAT, THE 28,000,650. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, THAT'S, WANTED TO MAKE SURE THOSE NUMBERS OUT THERE. 
          I I JUST DIDN'T SEE YOUR TOTAL ASK ON HERE. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO YEAH, IT'S NOT WORKING. 
          AND SO, YEAH, AND, AND I THINK MR. JAMESON, WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WHEN YOU WERE LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS. 
          SO YES, IF YOU DON'T TAKE THAT, NOT IF YOU TAKE OUT JUST, IF YOU JUST ADD THOSE FIRST THREE, SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO, TWO B, TWO C, AND JUST THREE WITHOUT ADDING THE ADDITIONAL LABOR, IF LABOR WAS FUNDED WHERE IT WAS CURRENTLY AT, BUT WITH ALL SALARY, WE ARE OVER 375,000. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE AN ASK TO THE COUNTY ANYWAY ON THE 375. 
          SO IF YOU ADD 3 75, 3 72 TO THE 2,000,002 
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FIVE, THAT GETS YOU THE 2 6 2 5 9 1 7. 
          YEAH. 
          I WAS ONLY TRYING TO MAKE SENSE OF THE END NUMBERS IN THE COLUMN, AND ONCE I PUT SIGN THE APPROPRIATE SIGNS ON THEM, IT ALL, IT ALL COMES OUT TO ZERO . 
          THAT'S GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO ONE OF THE THINGS AS MR. BALLANTINE WAS, WAS TALKING ABOUT WITH THAT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT 2.6, AGAIN, IF WE SHARE THAT COST, UM, WITH THE EMPLOYEE, THEN YOU CAN, YOU COULD DEDUCT 302,000, UM, FROM THAT 2.625, WHEN YOU SEE THAT NUMBER IN THE RED, UH, THAT IS A DEDUCTION THAT COULD BE MADE. 
          NOW ALSO, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT AS A BOARD, AS A BUDGET COMMITTEE, UH, THAT WE FELT, OKAY, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE WOULD LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT WE, THAT WE NEED. 
          YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF NEEDS. 
          UM, AND THERE ARE A LOT OF NEEDS EVERYWHERE AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT AND WE WANNA BE A GOOD PARTNER. 
          AND SO WE'VE TRIED TO TRIM OUR, OUR NEEDS DOWN. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT MY FIRST LIST OF REQUESTS FOR LABOR, UM, WE PROBABLY HAD OVER 40 REQUESTS FOR ADDITIONAL POSITIONS OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE. 
          42 AND A HALF STICKS IN MY MIND. 
          OKAY. 
          42 AND A HALF. 
          AND WE'VE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE WHITTLED THAT DOWN TO WHERE WE'RE ASKING FOR FOUR, BUT THEN WE HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL HERE THAT WE SAID, YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT IF WE COULD GET DONE, WE WOULD LIKE TO GET DONE AS WELL. 
          UM, AND THEY ARE JUST LISTED THERE. 
          THEY'RE NOT INCLUDED IN THAT TOP PART, THAT'S WHY THEY'RE DOWN THERE. 
          BUT THOSE ARE SOME OTHER OPTIONS. 
          AND, AND ONE OF THEM IS OF COURSE A, UM, COMMUNICATION, UH, SPECIALIST. 
          UM, ALSO LOOKING AT THE AG TEACHER OR AG PROGRAM AT, AT, UM, SKYLINE HIGH SCHOOL IS, YOU KNOW, EXPLODING AT THE SEA WITH THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS THAT ARE, THAT ARE BEING INVOLVED IN THAT PROGRAM. 
          UH, RIGHT NOW OUR CURRENT TEACHER, UH, TEACHES FOUR BLOCKS, SO TEACHES ALL DAY LONG AND THERE ARE STILL STUDENTS ON A WAITING LIST TO GET INTO THE PROGRAM. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DO HAVE THAT NEED TO, TO SAY, OKAY, CAN DO WE NEED AN ADDITIONAL TEACHER THERE? YES. 
          I WOULD SAY WE DO FOR OUR AGRICULTURAL PROGRAM, UH, SSI, JEFFRIES ELEMENTARY, THAT IS OUR THIRD LARGEST SCHOOL. 
          SKYLINE HIGH SCHOOL, WARREN COUNTY HIGH SCHOOL, SSI, JEFFRIES, UH, WE NOW HAVE, I THINK IT IS FIVE TEACHERS IN EVERY GRADE EXCEPT FOR FIFTH. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT IT'S JUST THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE MOVING INTO THAT AREA. 
          WE DO HAVE A NEED FOR AN ADDITIONAL TEACHER TO, TO LOOK AT CLASS SIZE. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE, UM, ANOTHER ADDITIONAL READING SPECIALIST AS WE, WE WORK THROUGH THIS VLA, UH, VIRGINIA LITERACY ACT, YOU KNOW, THE GETTING THE PEOPLE IN PLACE TO, TO PROVIDE OUR STUDENTS WITH, UM, SERVICES. 
          BECAUSE REALLY WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BUDGET, WHAT'S BEST FOR STUDENTS AND SO WE, WE ALWAYS NEED TO KEEP THAT IN MIND, BUT THOSE ARE THINGS THAT CAN AFFECT THE BUDGET UP AT THE TOP IF WE ADD SOME THINGS TO OR SUBTRACT SO THAT YOU HAVE THAT AVAILABLE TO LOOK AT. 
          DOES ANYBODY NEED, ROB, I GUESS YOU HAVE THE BIG SHEET NOW. 
          DO, WOULD YOU LIKE FOR ROB TO GO OVER THE BIG SHEET? YES. 
          IT'S, IT'S VERY BUSY AND UH, WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO IS THE LEFT HAND SIDE SHOWS OUR STATE REVENUE AND IT GIVES A HISTORY OF IT. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE'VE BEEN AND WHERE WE WILL BE GOING NEXT YEAR AS FAR AS THE STATE REVENUE. 
          WE STILL HAVE THE THREE OR RATHER FOUR DIFFERENT STATE PROPOSALS IN THERE. 
          NOW WHAT I WILL SAY IS THAT LAST COLUMN THAT SAYS CONFERENCE FISCAL 2025, THE NUMBERS DOWN, THAT PAGE WILL NOT ADD UP TO THE VERY BOTTOM NUMBER. 
          WE GET A BREAKOUT FROM, UH, AN ORGANIZATION, THE SUPERINTENDENT'S ORGANIZATION, THAT SHOWS HOW MUCH THESE DIFFERENT BILLS WILL MEAN AS FAR AS MONEY FOR US. 
          SO THAT NUMBER IS CORRECT AND IT'S FORCED IN THERE, BUT THE NUMBERS GOING UP DON'T ADD UP TO IT. 
          SO WHEN YOU TRY TO ADD 'EM, IT WON'T ADD UP, BUT WE DON'T GET THE DETAIL THAT UNTIL PROBABLY IN, WELL, UNTIL THE GOVERNOR SIGNS THE BUDGET, THAT'LL BREAK IT OUT INTO EACH OF THOSE COMPONENTS. 
          SO, UM, AGAIN, THAT COLUMN, YOUR TOTALS COMING DOWN, IF YOU TOTALED IT, IT WOULDN'T ADD UP TO THE 43 MILLION 193 10, BUT, UM, THAT'S WHAT OUR STATE REVENUE WOULD BE UNDER THE CURRENT BUDGET PROPOSAL, OR AT LEAST THE INFORMATION 
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WE WERE GIVEN, THAT OUR NUMBER WOULD BE OBJECTION. 
          YEP. 
          ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS THE FEDERAL REVENUE I MENTIONED, WE BASICALLY LEVEL FUNDED THEM AND THEN YOU LOOK AT IT AND SEE, WELL, GOSH, THERE'S A 1,000,007 REDUCTION, BUT THAT'S CARES FUNDING, WHICH THAT MONEY, WE HIT THAT FISCAL CLIFF AT THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR, SO THAT MONEY GOES AWAY. 
          SO THAT DID DROP A COUPLE OF THE PROGRAMS WENT UP A LITTLE BIT. 
          SO THE NET IS ABOUT A 1.4 MILLION DEDUCT. 
          UM, OUR MISCELLANEOUS REVENUE DIDN'T CHANGE A WHOLE LOT, BUT, BUT, BUT THAT'S THERE. 
          THIS YEAR WE TRANSFERRED, WE HAD A, WE HAVE A HEALTHCARE FUND THAT WAS FROM BACK WHEN WE WERE SELF-INSURED, AND THERE'S BEEN THIS RESIDUAL AMOUNT ON IT, AND WE TOOK 300,000 OF IT FROM THIS YEAR TO THE, UH, OPERATING BUDGET TO HELP KEEP THOSE PREMIUMS THAT DR. 
          BALLINGER MENTIONED. 
          THE SAME FOR OUR EMPLOYEES. 
          THAT'S, UH, WHAT THAT WAS DONE. 
          THAT FUND IS GETTING VERY CLOSE TO BEING DEPLETED. 
          SO WE CANNOT DO THAT AGAIN NEXT YEAR. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S A $300,000 LOSS TO US. 
          THE, UH, COUNTY APPROPRIATION AT THIS POINT. 
          UM, FOR ILLUSTRATIVE PURPOSES AT LEAST WE'VE LEFT IT AT THE 28,650,000. 
          SO THEN COMING DOWN THAT COLUMN, YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENT AMOUNTS FROM THE GOVERNORS, THE HOUSE, THE SENATE, AND THEN THE CONFERENCE COMMITTEES, UH, BUDGETS THAT, THAT HAVE COME TO US. 
          AND THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS THAT CARRY FORWARD ONTO THIS FRONT PAGE HERE THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT. 
          SO IF I CAN, I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO, UM, GIVE A LITTLE INFORMATION CONCERNING ROB HAD JUST MENTIONED THE CARES AND WITH ALL OF OUR CARES COACHES AND POSITIONS THAT WE HAVE, UM, IN OUR SCHOOLS, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO WAS USE SOME MONEY THAT WAS CALLED ALL IN TUTORING FOR POSITIONS FOR NEXT YEAR. 
          NOW, WHEN THE STATE CAME OUT WITH THAT MONEY, THEY SAID, HEY, YOU CAN USE IT THIS YEAR. 
          YOU CAN USE IT NEXT YEAR. 
          WE SAW THIS AS A WAY TO KEEP INDIVIDUALS IN OUR, OUR SCHOOLS. 
          SO WE WERE IN CABINET DISCUSSING, UM, MS. BRAGG WAS SHARING A CONCERN THAT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THE STATE HAS NOT RELEASED THE PROGRAMS THAT THEY ARE APPROVING FOR REMEDIATION. 
          AND THAT IF WE RECEIVE THAT MONEY, THEN IF WE DON'T SPEND IT ON THOSE PROGRAMS BY THE END OF THE YEAR, IT WOULD ROLL OVER TO THE COUNTY. 
          WELL, THROUGHOUT OUR CONVERSATION, MR. VALENTINE MENTIONED, HE SAID THAT HE THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE SENDING US ALL OF THE MONEY. 
          SO WHAT WE HAVE FOUND OUT IS THAT THE STATE WILL SEND US THE FULL 1.7 THIS YEAR, ALTHOUGH 1.9 OF THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE USED FOR SALARIES NEXT YEAR, WHY THEY'RE SENDING IT TO US THIS YEAR. 
          UH, AND SO I CAME DOWN, TALKED TO MR. DALEY OR DR. 
          DALEY EARLIER TODAY, UH, TO DISCUSS THIS ISSUE BECAUSE WE ARE, YOU KNOW, WE PUT THAT IN OUR BUDGET BECAUSE THAT'S HOW WE WERE PLANNING TO COVER THOSE SALARIES FOR NEXT YEAR. 
          SO IT MAY LOOK LIKE AT THE END OF THE YEAR IF, IF FOR HAPPEN CHANCE, THE STATE DOES NOT RELEASE THE SUPPLEMENTAL MATERIALS LIST AND WE'RE NOT ABLE TO SPEND ANY MONEY TO PURCHASE THOSE MATERIALS, AND OF COURSE, WE'RE NOT PAYING THE SALARIES TO NEXT YEAR, IT WOULD LOOK LIKE YOU HAVE AN ADDITIONAL $1.7 MILLION CARRYOVER. 
          BUT YOU JUST HAVE TO KNOW THAT THAT WAS MONEY FOR THE ALL IN TUTORING THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE GOING TO SALARIES FOR NEXT YEAR. 
          I DIDN'T THINK THEY WERE SENDING IT TO US BECAUSE WE HAD TO PUT OUR PLAN TOGETHER. 
          WE SUBMITTED IT TO THE STATE. 
          YOU CAN GO ON THE STATE'S WEBSITE, UM, ALL IN TUTORING AND YOU CAN LOOK UP OUR PLAN THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE STATE SUPERINTENDENT, WHICH OUTLINES THOSE BUCKETS OF WHERE THE MONEY MONEY IS SUPPOSED TO BE GOING. 
          UM, BUT THEY HAVE SENT THAT MONEY TO US. 
          UH, RIGHT NOW, I THINK ROB SAID, CURRENTLY WE HAVE RECEIVED $700,000 OF THAT. 
          WAS THAT CORRECT? UM, WE, WE ARE RECEIVING PAYMENTS FEBRUARY THROUGH FEBRUARY AND WE'RE RECEIVING PAYMENTS OF ABOUT 200 AND SOME WHAT, FOUR? YEAH, OF ABOUT 225,000 TWICE A MONTH. 
          SO, UM, AND I GUESS READING IT, THE STATE APPROVED THIS MONEY IN THEIR FISCAL 24 BUDGET. 
          SO EVEN THOUGH THEY ALLOW US TO SPEND IT OVER A TWO YEAR PERIOD, THEY'RE GONNA, UH, REMIT IT ALL TO US, UM, BY JUNE 30TH OF THIS YEAR. 
          SO THAT WOULD JUST BE SOMETHING I WANTED TO, TO MAKE BOTH BOARDS AWARE IS THAT, AND, AND AS DR. 
          DALEY AND I WERE DISCUSSING THAT EARLIER, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ARE PLANNING FOR 1.22 SOME PER UH, MILLION OF THAT TO GO TOWARDS SALARIES, UM, IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. 
          AND WE 
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DIDN'T THINK WE WERE GOING TO GET IT IN, OR I DIDN'T THINK WE WERE GOING TO GET IT UNTIL NEXT YEAR. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP HERE. 
          SO HOPEFULLY IT'LL CLEAR UP SOME FUTURE CONFUSION WHEN WE ASK FOR THAT 1.2 MILLION LATER. 
          OKAY, SO THEN ROLLING INTO YOU GUYS, EV EVERY UH, BOARD MEMBER SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED JUST A NON-LABOR BUDGET. 
          AND WE DID PROVIDE THE NAMES OF THE SCHOOLS. 
          WE DID JUST HAVE THE COST CENTERS ON THE SIDE. 
          UH, BUT MR. BALLANTINE WENT IN AND ADDED THE NAMES OF EACH SCHOOL TO THE SIDE. 
          SO WHAT, WHAT YOU LOOK AT HERE AS YOU LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL BUDGET, THE REQUESTED BUDGET, NOW AGAIN, THIS IS A A ZERO A MOD. 
          THIS IS OUR MODIFIED ZERO BASED BUDGET WHERE COST CENTERS GO IN, THEY START FROM SCRATCH SAYING, OUR COPIER LEASE IS THIS MUCH EACH MONTH WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS MUCH, HERE'S SUPPLIES, HERE'S A PROGRAM WE'RE WANTING TO DO THIS YEAR, WE'RE GONNA ASK FOR THIS. 
          OR SOME OF THEM SAID, WE WANNA BUY FURNITURE NEXT YEAR, WE'RE GONNA ASK FOR FURNITURE FOR NEXT YEAR. 
          UH, SO THEY'RE LOOKING AT WHAT THEIR, THEIR NEEDS ARE, AND THEN THEY BUILD THAT FROM ZERO ALL THE WAY UP TO WHAT THEY PRESENT TO US. 
          AND SO YOU CAN LOOK THEN AND SEE, FOR INSTANCE, THAT SYS THE ORIGINAL BUDGET WAS 65, UH, SIX 5,897 WRITTEN, UH, MS. HELME REQUESTED 72 THOU $72,060. 
          SO THAT WAS GONNA BE AN INCREASE OF $6,163. 
          NOW WHAT WE DID HERE IS WE SAID, OKAY, I LOOKED THROUGH THIS, WE WENT THROUGH CABINET, AND THEN WITH THE BUDGET, MY BUDGET COMMITTEE, UH, WENT THROUGH AND SAID, OKAY, WHAT CAN WE REDUCE OUT OF OUR, OUR BUDGETS? WHAT ARE OUR NEEDS VERSUS MAYBE SOME OF OUR WANTS? AND WE LOOKED AT THAT AND SAID, OKAY, FURNITURE REPLACEMENT, WE WERE GOING TO TAKE $6,000 OUT OF FURNITURE REPLACEMENT, UH, SIMPLY BECAUSE THEIR INITIAL REQUEST WAS ONLY $6,000. 
          SO THAT MEANS THEY HAVE ABOUT $3,000 THAT THEY COULD STILL USE FOR SOME FURNITURE IN THEIR BUDGET. 
          SO THAT ONLY GIVES THEM AN INCREASE OF $163 FOR NEXT YEAR, IS HOW, HOW YOU KIND OF FIGURE THAT SO THAT THEY GO FROM THE, UH, 65 8 97 TO THE 66 0 6 0. 
          AND THEN FOR EACH COST CENTER, WHEN YOU GO TO E WILSON, YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE ORIGINAL BUDGET WAS, WHAT THE REQUEST WAS, THEN IT GIVES THE REQUESTED INCREASE OR DECREASE, AND THEN WHAT WE AS A CABINET AND THE BUDGET COMMITTEE WENT THROUGH AND TOOK OUT TO GIVE A FINAL, UM, INCREASE FOR, OR IN SOME CASES IT MAY BE A DECREASE FOR THAT CATE OR FOR THAT COST CENTER. 
          AND, AND JUST TO ADD TO THAT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE LOOKED AT WHAT THEY HAD LAST YEAR, WHAT THEY WERE ASKING THIS YEAR, WHERE THEY WERE AT THE, AS OF THE DATE WE MET, WHERE THEY WERE IN THEIR FUNDING. 
          LIKE WE WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE IF THEY ASK, IF THEY'RE ASKING FOR MORE, WHY, YOU KNOW, WE ASKED THOSE QUESTIONS. 
          WELL, WHY ARE THEY ASKING FOR MORE? UM, UM, WANTED TO MAKE SURE THEY WERE SPENDING WHAT THEY SAID, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A LINE ITEM BUDGET FOR 10,000 AND YOU DIDN'T SPEND IT LAST YEAR, DO YOU REALLY NEED 10,000 IN THAT LINE ITEM BUDGET? SO WE WENT THROUGH, AS WE WERE LOOKING THROUGH ALL THESE, UM, IN OUR, UH, COMMITTEE TAKING A LOOK AT THAT, I THINK THOSE ACTUALS WOULD BE HELPFUL. 
          I THINK WE HAD REQUESTED 'EM LAST WEEK AT THE SCHOOL BOARD MEETING TO SEE THE ACTUALS. 
          IS THAT POSSIBLE TO ADD THAT IN PLEASE? YES. 
          MAYBE PRIOR YEAR ACTUALS WOULD BE THE MOST REFLECTIVE BECAUSE MM-HMM, , UM, SOME OF THE COST CENTERS, IT DEPENDS ON THE COST CENTER, BUT THEIR, THEIR EXPENDITURES AREN'T EVENLY DIVIDED A 12TH EACH MONTH. 
          SOME ARE LOADED HEAVY IN THE FRONT, OTHERS AT THE END OF THE YEAR IF THINGS COME DUE AT THE END OF THE YEAR, WHATEVER. 
          BUT, UH, WE CAN DO EITHER, WE COULD PUT IN A COLUMN FOR LAST YEAR'S ACTUAL AND THIS YEAR, YEAR TO DATE THROUGH FEBRUARY, THAT'D BE HELPFUL. 
          AND THEN DO WE HAVE ANY TYPE OF INCENTIVES FOR AVOIDING THE USE IT OR LOSE IT SPEND THAT, THAT HAPPENS? LIKE DO WE HAVE ANY INCENTIVES? I, I HEAR WHAT, UM, DR. 
          FUNK IS SAYING ABOUT, WELL, IF YOU DIDN'T SPEND ALL OF IT LAST YEAR, THEN WE DON'T NEED TO GIVE IT TO YOU NEXT YEAR. 
          BUT THAT 
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COULD POTENTIALLY ENCOURAGE FRIVOLOUS SPENDING, WHEREAS WE COULD THINK OF THINGS IN A DIFFERENT MANNER THAN WE COULD INCENTIVIZE, UM, REWARDS FOR SAVINGS INSTEAD AND NOT PENALIZE SCHOOLS WHO DON'T SPEND WHAT THEY MIGHT NOT NEED. 
          KIND OF LIKE HOW AT THE END OF OUR SCHOOL YEAR, WHATEVER OUR SCHOOL BOARD HASN'T SPENT REVERTS BACK TO THE COUNTY, BUT KNOWING THAT THAT MONEY THAT'S REVERTING BACK TO THE COUNTY IS GOING TO THEN BE ABLE TO COME TO US THROUGH CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS MONEY, COULD WE FIND A METHOD BY WHICH, I GUESS I'M REALLY ASKING THIS OF MY OWN BOARD'S BUDGET COMMITTEE, MAYBE WE COULD INCENTIVIZE SCHOOLS WHO CAN HAVE A COST SAVINGS TO WHERE THAT CAN BE NOT PENALIZING THEM THE FOLLOWING BUDGET SEASON. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT DOES. 
          UM, ONE, WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK I FOUND WAS, YOU KNOW, LIKE THERE WERE SOME LINE ITEMS THAT MAYBE THEY HADN'T SPENT IT THIS YEAR BECAUSE THAT COST COMES IN THE SPRING. 
          UM, SO I, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK FROM THE LAST TWO YEARS SITTING ON HERE THAT WE HAVE IN REALLY SEEN THAT IT'S NOT LIKE THEY, THEY WE'VE EVER SEEN WHERE IT, AND THAT WAS JUST AN EXAMPLE I USED, BUT WE HAVEN'T SEEN THAT INACTION, I TOLD, I MEAN, IT MAKES SENSE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT WE HAVEN'T SEEN THAT WHERE, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE HAS BEEN A LUMP SUM THAT THEY JUST DIDN'T USE FOR SOME REASON. 
          I MEAN, EVERYTHING HAS HAS BEEN PRETTY, PRETTY WELL USED. 
          BUT I, I MEAN, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND WELL, YEAH, I MEAN, WE HEAR THE PUSH, IT'S, IT'S NOT A PENALTY, IT'S NOT A PENALTY, LIKE, YOU KNOW, BUT THEY, I, I FEEL LIKE WITH THE DIRECTION LAST YEAR AND THIS YEAR THAT THE COST CENTER MANAGERS WERE VERY, VERY DILIGENT, UM, IN, YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY WHAT THEY SPEND IT ON, WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY WERE, THEIR REQUESTS ARE. 
          UM, I KNOW ONE THING WE TALKED ABOUT WAS HAVING SOME UNIFORM, UM, REQUESTS SHEETS SO THAT THEY ALL LOOKED THE SAME. 
          SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT 12 OF 'EM, THEY'RE ALL, YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE BOARD THE SAME. 
          UM, BUT I FEEL LIKE THEY'VE DONE A, A, A GOOD JOB AT DOING THAT, BUT, UM, I MEAN, IT MAKES SENSE WHAT YOU'RE, IT MAKES SENSE. 
          YEAH. 
          TO BE CLEAR, I'M NOT ING THE SCHOOLS, I'M NOT CRITICIZING THE SCHOOLS HOW THEY'VE SPENT THEIR MONEY AT ALL. 
          IT CONCERNS ME WHEN I HEAR THINGS LIKE, HEY, WE'RE TELLING OUR TEACHERS NOT TO MAKE COPIES OF THINGS BECAUSE WE CAN'T AFFORD THE PAPER THAT NO TEACHER SHOULD HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT MAKING A COPY OF SOMETHING BECAUSE WE CAN'T AFFORD THE PAPER. 
          RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY. 
          SO, AND I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF OUR COST CENTERS. 
          THE COPY PAPER DID GO UP QUITE A LOT BECAUSE OF, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IS AVAILABLE. 
          AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE DISCUSSIONS WE HAD. 
          SO I MEAN, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. 
          WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE COPIES. 
          AND I WOULD SAY THE COST CENTERS ARE PRETTY, UM, RESPONSIBLE WHEN IT COMES TO, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THEY THEY NEED, YOU KNOW, NEED TO PURCHASE SOMETHING OR THEY DON'T NEED TO PURCHASE SOMETHING. 
          UM, I WILL SAY THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T, I KNOW WE'VE, WE'VE HAD ADMINISTRATORS, YOU KNOW, WHEN I WOULD LOOK AT THEIR BUDGET AND SAY, HEY, YOU HAVE THIS IN THERE, DO YOU NEED SUPPLIES? DO YOU NEED MATERIALS? NO, WE'RE GOOD. 
          I PURCHASED EVERYTHING. 
          I LEAVE IT. 
          WELL, THEN THEY'VE ADJUSTED FOR, FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, SO, SO I THINK THAT THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE WHEN IT COMES TO, TO THAT. 
          ONE THING YOU WOULD HAVE TO CONSIDER IS THAT IN LAST YEAR'S NON-LABOR BUDGETS, UH, WHAT WAS IT? APRIL, MAY, WE FROZE EVERYTHING BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN WE HAD THE CONVERSATION THAT WE NEEDED TO HAVE ABOUT A $700,000 CARRYOVER FOR, UM, THAT YEAR TO FINISH OUT THE YEAR BECAUSE WE WERE PUTTING, UM, SOME CAPITAL INTO THE, THE OPERATIONAL BUDGET AND WE NEED TO REPLACE THAT. 
          AND SO WE FROZE EVERYTHING AT THAT POINT IN TIME. 
          UM, ONLY THEY COULD ONLY SPEND ON ESSENTIALS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE, IF YOU WERE PAYING YOUR BILL OUT OF IT, YOU PAY YOUR BILL OUT OF IT. 
          UM, IF NOT, THEN YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HOLD OFF. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE DID LAST YEAR TOWARDS THE END OF THE YEAR, UH, JUST BECAUSE WE WERE AT THAT POINT AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE NEEDED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE REPLACED THAT, THAT CAPITAL WITH THE CARRYOVER. 
          MS. COMP DALEY, WERE YOU, I SAW YOU GO FOR YOUR MIC. 
          I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU HAD SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO SAY. 
          I SAW YOU. 
          YES. 
          THE COMMENT, UH, REGARDING THE INSURANCE MA'AM WENT BACK AND LOOKED AND WHEN WE, WHEN THEY LOOKED AT THE CONSOLIDATING THE INSURANCE, THE SCHOOLS WENT UP, THE COUNTY DID NOT, BUT IT WAS MORE UP FOR THE SCHOOLS THAN IT WAS DOWN FOR THE COUNTY, AND THAT WAS WHY THEY DIDN'T CONSOLIDATE IT. 
          BUT WE'LL LOOK AT THAT AGAIN. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WHAT YEAR WAS THAT, DO YOU KNOW? ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO. 
          ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO. 
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WE'VE BEEN WITH U WE MOVED TO UNITED, UH, THREE YEARS AGO. 
          THIS WILL BE OUR THIRD YEAR WITH UNITED. 
          AND WE DID THAT BECAUSE OUR RATES WITH THE COMBINED SYS, THE STATE SYSTEM WERE GOING UP AND WE JUST DISCOVERED, TRIED TO SEE IF WE COULD CONSOLIDATE, AND THAT DIDN'T WORK. 
          SO WE DECIDED TO GO OUT AND BID AND UNITED CAME IN WITH THE LOW BID. 
          SO WOULD, UM, WOULD IT BE ALL RIGHT IF I ASKED YOU TO EXPLAIN, UM, A FEW OF THE NON-LABOR, UM, INCREASES? UH, AND SOME OF THIS I'VE HEARD BEFORE, BUT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE WHOLE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS? SURE. 
          WE'LL, WE'LL DO THE BEST WE CAN. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          FIVE IN PARTICULAR THAT I'M OKAY, UH, INTERESTED IN ON, UH, ON THE NON-LABOR PACKET, UH, IN PAGE SIX MM-HMM. 
          , UM, IN THE MIDDLE, UM, FOR, UH, UNDER ASSISTANT SUPERINTENDENT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UH, OTHER PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S ABOUT A 220,000 INCREASE THERE. 
          UH, COULD YOU ELABORATE ON THAT? YES. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S A 135 8 17, AND THEN 87 4 82. 
          SO THAT 1 35 8 17, THAT'S FOR OUR JANITORIAL SERVICES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THERE, THERE HAS BEEN QUITE A BIT OF TURNOVER, UM, WITHIN THE JANITORIAL, UM, STAFFING. 
          UM, SO BUMPING RATE, BUMPING SALARIES UP FOR, FOR INDIVIDUALS TO TRY TO, TO MAINTAIN CONSISTENCY AND, AND REDUCE THE TURNOVER. 
          THEN THAT 87, UH, 4 82, THAT IS OUR PART FOR, UH, TWO HALVES OF SROS. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ALSO ON PAGE SIX, UH, HARDWARE REPLACEMENTS, AND I, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU, YOU TAMPED THAT DOWN A GOOD AMOUNT, BUT IT, IT STILL LOOKS LIKE A 600,000 PLUS EXPENDITURE. 
          UM, COULD YOU, AND I'VE HEARD A LITTLE ABOUT THAT ALREADY, BUT NOT ANYONE HAS. 
          YES, SIR. 
          YES, SIR. 
          YES, SIR. 
          MOST DEFINITELY. 
          SO I DID GET A LITTLE MORE CLARIFICATION. 
          IT HAS TO DO WITH A CHIP THAT, UM, AND I SEE MY TECH GUYS BACK THERE, AND IT MAY BE BEST FOR ME TO ASK DOUG TO KIND OF EXPLAIN THAT SO THAT I DON'T STUMBLE ALL OVER MY, UH, STUMBLE ON IT. 
          DOUG, DO YOU MIND EXPLAINING THE, THE CHIPS YOU MAY HAVE TO PROBLEM COME UP TO THE MIC, IF YOU DON'T MIND. 
          IF, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE, THAT WAY WE CAN ALL HEAR YOU BETTER. 
          AND, UM, FOR THE AUDIO VISUAL AS WELL, IT'S TECHNOLOGY HARDWARE REPLACEMENT. 
          GOOD STUFF. 
          CAN YOU MAKE SURE THE THE LIGHT IS ON? YEAH, IT'S ON. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          SO ESSENTIALLY, UH, AS THE, AS THE VERSION OF WINDOWS IS CHANGING OVER THE NEW, THE NEW VERSION REQUIRES THE COMPUTER SYSTEMS TO HAVE A SPECIFIC KIND OF CHIP FOR SECURITY PURPOSES. 
          UH, ALL MANY OF OUR MACHINES RIGHT NOW IN OUR BUILDINGS AND IN ALL OF OUR ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDINGS, UM, ARE VERY OLD. 
          THEY'RE 10 YEARS OR OLDER, SO THEY DON'T HAVE THAT CHIP. 
          SO, UH, A PART OF IT IS JUST THAT WE NEED MORE MONEY SO THAT WE CAN GET KIND OF ON A REFRESH SCHEDULE, NOT JUST FOR OUR WINDOWS MACHINES, BUT ALSO OUR CHROMEBOOKS. 
          SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR AN ADDITIONAL APPROPRIATION. 
          IS THAT ABOUT THE, UH, I'VE HEARD ABOUT THIS AND THINGS LIKE CLIENT SIDE CONTENT CHECKING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? I DON'T KNOW. 
          I'D, I'D, I'D LEAVE THAT TO MY EXPERTS HERE, BUT  OKAY. 
          SO, SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NO LONGER REPLACING EVERY LAPTOP. 
          IT'S, IT'S BASED ON WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE THAT SHIP. 
          SO IT WOULD BE FOR, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO BY OCTOBER 25, YEAH, OCTOBER, 2025. 
          OCTOBER, 2025 IS WHEN THE WINDOWS VERSION SWITCHING OVER, AND THEN THEY WON'T, THEY WON'T PROVIDE SUPPORT FOR THE OLD VERSION, SO WE WOULDN'T RECEIVE A SECURITY UPDATES, WHICH COULD OPEN US UP TO SECUR SECURITY VULNERABILITIES, AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE WOULD WANT IN. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          UM, ALSO ON PAGE SIX, UH, SUBSTITUTES, UM, AND I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME TALK ABOUT THIS, BUT MM-HMM. 
          UH, THE INCREASE LOOKS AT, IT LOOKS LIKE ABOUT 650,000. 
          UH, AND AGAIN, UH, IT'S, IT'S REDUCED FROM THE ASK, BUT COULD YOU SPEAK TO THAT AS WELL? YES. 
          SO WITH THE SUBSTITUTES, I THINK WE'RE PROJECTED RIGHT NOW OFF OF ROB'S PROJECTING TO BE ABOUT 1.125 MILLION FOR THIS YEAR. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, AND SO LOOKING AT WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO GO IN-HOUSE, WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO GO, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH ANOTHER VENDOR, WHAT, WHAT IS THAT NUMBER AGAIN? ANY BUDGET WE DO IS AN ESTIMATE. 
          AND SO WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR NUMBERS VERSUS OUR TRUE COSTS, YOU KNOW, THAT FIRST NUMBER, WE, THE FIRST NUMBERS WE LOOK AT ARE SAYING, OKAY, IT MAY COST US $1.8 MILLION. 
          IF WE'RE AT THIS RATE, WHAT ARE WE EVER GONNA GET TO THAT RATE? IS ONE QUESTION. 
          WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT SOME INCENTIVE PROGRAMS TO WHERE IF WE CAN WORK WITH OUR STAFF MEMBERS TO SAY, OKAY, WE WILL PAY YOU $100 FOR EVERY SICK DAY THAT YOU DON'T USE AS AN INCENTIVE, 
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THEN THAT WAY WE'RE, WE'RE SAVING AND WHAT'S THAT THRESHOLD? SO WHAT WE DID WAS LOOK AT OUR CURRENT NUMBERS, WHERE WE'RE AT NOW, IF WE HAD PEOPLE THAT QUALIFY WITHIN THAT, UH, RANGE FOR THE INCENTIVE, WHAT WOULD THAT COST BE TO US RIGHT NOW? AND THAT NUMBER WAS AROUND 200,000 WITH THE PROJECTION OF WHAT ROB IS SAYING WE'RE GONNA SPEND THIS YEAR IS ABOUT ONE POINT, UM, 1.1, 1.2. 
          UM, I, WE, WE SAID, OKAY, LET'S SEE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IS THAT 1.3, IS THAT GONNA HIT US? BECAUSE IF WE PUT THAT INCENTIVE IN, WE KNOW WE'RE RIGHT NOW AT ONE, AT 200,000 WOULD COST THE, WOULD BE THE COST FOR THAT INCENTIVE, BUT THEN WOULD WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE WHICH WOULD BRING THAT COST DOWN, UM, AS FAR AS WITH THE SUBS, WHICH WOULD HELP US IN THE LONG RUN. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE KINDA LOOKING AT BECAUSE IF, WHEN WE RAN OUR NUMBERS, UH, TO SEE IF EVERYBODY THAT QUALIFIED DIDN'T TAKE A, A SICK DAY OR DIDN'T TAKE A SICK DAY, THAT PAYOUT A LOAN WOULD BE 400 AND, AND AROUND $400,000. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE WENT OVER OUR, OUR SUB BUDGET FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS, I BELIEVE LAST THREE YEARS. 
          UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S TRYING TO GET THAT WITH AN INCENTIVE PROGRAM AND TRYING TO GET TO A, A TRUE COST TO, TO WHERE WE'RE AT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO REGARD, TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT ALREADY, AN OUTSIDE VENDOR, ESS OR ANYONE ELSE FOR THAT MATTER, THAT'S STILL, UH, IN THE ANALYSIS PHASE? YES. 
          SO WE ARE SENDING OUT AN RFP, I KNOW, UH, MR. LEE IS WORKING ON THAT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UH, SO HE'S BEEN WORKING WITH THE ATTORNEYS TO FINALIZE OUR REQUEST FOR A PROPOSAL AND THEN TO GET THAT OUT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, TWO MORE, AND THEN MY QUESTIONS ARE DONE. 
          UH, IF YOU SURE. 
          IF YOU HUMOR ME, PLEASE. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, MOVING ON TO PAGE EIGHT, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S ABOUT 200,000 ADDITIONAL FOR TESTING. 
          UM, IT, IT'S NEAR THE PSYCHOLOGICAL SERVICES. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , IF, IF YOU COULD ELABORATE ON THAT TESTING INCREASE. 
          SURE. 
          SO WHAT WARREN COUNTY DOES NOT HAVE, WE DO NOT HAVE, UM, BASICALLY A, AN ASSESSMENT FOR OUR STUDENTS IN MATH AND READING THAT WILL HELP US TO DETERMINE WHERE THEY ARE. 
          SO WHEN YOU GO IN AND YOU DO YOUR QUARTERLY ASSESSMENTS THERE, THERE NEEDS TO BE A TOOL, UM, THE RANGE OF THOSE CAN COST FROM, YOU KNOW, $15 A STUDENT TO $30 A STUDENT. 
          WHEN YOU LOOK AT DREAM BOX OR LEXIA. 
          UM, THIS ALSO HELPS WITH THE INTERVENTION WITH VLA AND THE EMPHASIS ON LITERACY. 
          WE NEED THAT SCREENER THAT WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH SOME REMEDIATION TOOLS THAT WE WILL NEED TO, TO WORK THROUGH TO GET OUR STUDENTS WHERE THEY, YOU KNOW, PUSH THEM AND, AND HELP THEM GET WHERE THEY NEED TO BE TO GET ON LEVEL. 
          THEN WE ALSO WANTED TO ADD ONE FOR MATH. 
          SO IF YOU LOOK AT DREAMBOX, AND THAT ONE'S ABOUT $30 PER STUDENT, AND WITH THE NUMBERS OF STUDENTS THAT WE HAVE, THAT'S ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND FOR READING. 
          AND THEN A HUNDRED OR ELA ENGLISH LANGUAGE ARTS, AND THEN ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND FOR MATH. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, SO, YOU KNOW, CAN YOU GO WITH A, A SCREENER THAT MAY BE CHEAPER? YES. 
          YOU, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE THE INTERVENTION TOOLS TO HELP WITH THE REMEDIATION OF GETTING STUDENTS WHERE THEY NEED TO BE AS WELL. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I, I DON'T DOUBT YOUR, YOUR EXPERTISE ON PICKING THE RIGHT SERVICE, BUT I APPRECIATE THE EXPLANATION. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND, UH, GO AHEAD. 
          NO, GO AHEAD, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, MOVING ON TO MY LAST QUESTION. 
          UM, ON PAGE 11 FOR TRANSPORTATION. 
          MM-HMM, , THERE'S A FAIRLY LARGE INCREASE ON THE ORDER OF 340 OR SO THOUSAND DOLLARS. 
          YES, SIR. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE FOR BUSES AND VEHICLE REPLACEMENTS. 
          UH, WE DID, WHAT WAS THAT, DR. 
          DALEY ABOUT A FEW YEARS BACK WHEN WE HAD SOME CARRYOVER MONEY WE PUT IN, UH, WE, THE COUNTY HAS IT ON THEIR SIDE AND WE PUT A MILLION DOLLARS IN, IN A TRANSPORTATION ACCOUNT BECAUSE WE HAVE A, WE, AT THAT POINT, WE HAD ABOUT 30 BUSES THAT WERE EITHER OUTDATED BY AGE OR MILEAGE. 
          AND SO OVER THE YEARS WE HAVE USED AND DRIVE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE DRAINED THAT THING THERE. 
          THERE'S NOTHING IN THERE. 
          UM, RIGHT NOW WITH OUR PROJECTED CARRYOVER FOR THIS YEAR, WHEN THE AUDIT COMES BACK, THAT HAS TO GO BACK INTO THE CIP. 
          SO WE DON'T HAVE AN AVENUE RIGHT NOW TO PUT ANY FUNDS INTO THAT TRANSPORTATION ACCOUNT AT THIS POINT IN TIME. 
          AND SO WE WANTED TO START LOOKING AT, OKAY, IF WE BUY TWO BUSES PER YEAR, YOU KNOW, THAT WILL HELP US TO, TO KIND. 
          AND THEN IF WE DO HAVE A CARRYOVER THAT WE COULD STICK IN A TRANSPORTATION VERSUS A CIP, UH, THEN THAT WOULD HELP US GET A JUMP ON, ON SOME ADDITIONAL BUSES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO 
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THAT, THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE THERE IS, IS FOR TWO BUSES AND, AND I THINK IT WOULD INCLUDE A VEHICLE ONE VEHICLE REPLACEMENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO WHAT IS YOUR ANTICIPATED SURPLUS? HMM. 
          I'M SORRY? WHAT IS YOUR ANTICIPATED CARRYOVER FOR THIS YEAR? FOR THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR? 24. 
          FOR 24? I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT I JUST HEARD IS THAT, THAT, THAT YOU HAVE, THAT THERE'S ANTICIPATED CARRYOVER FOR THIS YEAR THAT'S GONNA GO INTO THE CAPITAL CIP THINK. 
          THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT I HEARD. 
          I MEANT FOR LAST YEAR. 
          YOU'RE TALKING LAST YEAR. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          YES, THE CARRY, WE HAD THE CARRY OVER. 
          SO WE'RE WAITING ON THE AUDIT TO SEE WHAT THAT CARRYOVER NUMBER WAS. 
          MAKES SENSE. 
          BECAUSE, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO HAVE YOU FORECASTED THIS, THIS YEAR, CARRY OVER? I DO NOT. 
          AT THIS POINT, HAVE A GOOD NUMBER FOR THAT. 
          NO, WE CAN, IT'S GETTING TO THE TIME OF YEAR WHEN WE CAN START LOOKING AT THAT NOW AND, AND TRENDING SOME THINGS AND, AND LOOK AT THAT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO ARE YOU, HAS THAT BEEN CONSIDERED WITH THE NUMBERS THAT YOU'VE PRESENTED TO US OR YOU JUST, UM, OR IS THE, THE MODEL IS WHATEVER CARRYOVER THAT YOU HAVE FROM THIS FISCAL YEAR IS GONNA GO INTO YOUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN? THAT, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE PLAN. 
          WE DO NOT, WE DO NOT, YOU KNOW, ANTICIPATE THAT AND INCLUDE THAT IN ANYTHING FOR NEXT YEAR. 
          AND MOST OF OUR CARRYOVER IS GENERATED FROM STAFF TURNOVER. 
          WHEN WE HAVE FOLKS RETIRING, SOMEONE COME IN WITH, UH, LESSER EXPERIENCE, UM, THAT WE'VE ALSO HAD SOME UNFILLED POSITIONS. 
          POSITIONS WE JUST, WE NEED, BUT WE JUST CAN'T FILL. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE MOST OF THAT COMES FROM. 
          SO WHEN WE START NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET, WE USE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN PLACE NOW. 
          SO WE DON'T KEEP ADDING ON TO WHAT ENDED UP BEING MORE THAN WE NEEDED THE YEAR BEFORE BECAUSE OF TURNOVER. 
          NOW WE DO NOT ANTICIPATE TURNOVER EITHER. 
          SO WE'RE NOT, WE DON'T LOOK AT IT AND SAY, OKAY, YOU KNOW, THIS MANY PEOPLE ARE GONNA TURN OVER AND WE'RE GONNA SAVE THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO, UM, SO THAT LEADS ME INTO THE, ANOTHER QUESTION THAT I WROTE DOWN. 
          SO, SO HOW MANY VACANCIES DO YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR? I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE WEBSITE. 
          . 
          I DON'T HAVE A NUMBER ON THE OFF HAND. 
          DO YOU HAVE A PERCENTAGE? A THIRD 50, 75. 
          75% VACANCIES? I, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I'M JUST THROWING NUMBERS OUT. 
          . 
          IT WOULD BE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO IT NOW. 
          YOU CAN SEND IT TO THE REST OF THE BOARD, UM, LATER ON. 
          BUT IT WOULD BE INTERESTING, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THIS BUDGET PROCESS OF HOW MANY VACANCIES YOU HAVE, HOW MANY THAT YOU ARE GETTING READY TO FILL. 
          UM, SO WE CAN JUST KIND OF, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THAT AS A FORECAST. 
          AND THE NEXT, UH, QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS, UH, WHAT IS YOUR ANTICIPATED BUDGET FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS? THAT'S THAT. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S NOT PART OF THESE NUMBERS. 
          SO WHAT IS, UM, DO YOU HAVE A IDEA FOR NEXT YEAR? 'CAUSE I THINK LAST YEAR WAS WHAT, ALMOST WHAT 10? THAT WAS THE L 10 MILLION. 
          SO THAT, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT WAS THE LFK PROJECT. 
          AND WE WILL HAVE THAT BUCK. 
          BUCK HAS, BUCK HAS BEEN WORKING ON THAT. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND RIGHT NOW, UM, ON THE COUNTY SIDE. 
          SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE SOME PROJECTS THAT WE DO THAT, THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT. 
          AND I KNOW, YEAH, IF YOU WANT TO HOP UP THERE TO THE VOTING. 
          I DID A REAL QUICK, LIKE TWO SECOND LOOK. 
          IT LOOKED LIKE THERE'S 24 VACANCIES, NOT INCLUDING, UH, COACHES CURRENTLY ON THE WEBSITE. 
          YEAH. 
          SOME OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, UH, FOR THIS UPCOMING YEAR. 
          ONE, UH, TENNIS COURTS, SOME OF THIS HAS MOVED AROUND JUST BECAUSE OF THE NEED. 
          TENNIS COURTS WERE ON THERE, UM, A FEW YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. 
          UH, BUT THE TENNIS COURTS AT BOTH OF THE HIGH SCHOOLS, WE HAVE EIGHT COURTS AT BOTH OF THE SCHOOLS, SO 16 COURTS AND THOSE COURTS, UM, ARE, ARE, ARE, ARE BUSTING UP PRETTY BAD. 
          UM, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS UNDERNEATH, YOU CAN ACTUALLY GO OUT THERE AND, AND CHECK IT OUT. 
          I CAN ACTUALLY TAKE SOME PICTURES AND SEND IT TO, TO, TO YOU ALL IF YOU LIKE. 
          UM, AND FOR RENOVATIONS OF THOSE COURTS, AND IT'S NOT JUST TAKING A A TOP LAYER AND GOING OVER TOP, IT'S ACTUALLY, UH, REPLACING SOME OF THE LAYERS. 
          UH, IT'S ABOUT A MILLION AND A HALF TO, TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE PARTICULAR 
          [01:05:01]
COURTS. 
          UM, THERE'S ALSO ONE ON THERE THAT DEALS WITH A COOLING TOWER AT HILDA, J BARBER AND BRIAN, UH, HELME, UH, OUR FACILITIES DIRECTOR AND I, UH, WE, WE WORK CLOSE TOGETHER TO, TO TRY TO SAVE AS MUCH AS WE CAN. 
          AND WE, WE'VE COME UP WITH A, A PLAN THERE THAT ACTUALLY WE CAN REFURBISH THAT PARTICULAR TOWER RATHER THAN BUYING A NEW TOWER. 
          AND ACTUALLY WE CAN GET, UH, THE SAME, UH, GUARANTEE OR THE WARRANTY, I SHOULD SAY, ON THAT PARTICULAR TOWER FOR PROBABLY ABOUT $70,000 LESS. 
          SO. 
          THAT'S GOOD. 
          UM, ANOTHER THING THAT HAS JUST COME UP IS THE AUDIO SYSTEMS, OR THE, I'M SORRY, THE LIGHTING SYSTEMS, UM, AT SKYLINE HIGH SCHOOL IN THE AUDITORIUM. 
          UM, AND THOSE, UH, SYSTEMS ARE, SOME HAVE FAILED AND, AND MANY ARE FAILING AN AUDITORIUM, UH, EQUIPMENT, IT'S PRETTY EXPENSIVE. 
          AND FOR THAT FIX, IT'S GONNA RUN AROUND 70,000. 
          BUT WE HAD PLANNED FOR THE COOLING TOWER TO BE AT A HUNDRED, 125. 
          SO IF WE REFURBISH FOR AROUND 36,000, UM, WE COULD KIND OF KILL TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE THERE TO BE ABLE TO FIX THE AUDITORIUM AND GET THE TOWER BY REFURBISHING RATHER THAN GOING WITH A NEW, UH, COOLING, UM, COOLING TOWER. 
          SO IF YOU COULD SWAG, HOW MUCH ALL OF THAT IS THAT WILL BE, OH, LET'S SAY AN ESTIMATE. 
          UM, A MILLION, MILLION AND A HALF AND THEN, UH, 125,000. 
          SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT 1.625. 
          UM, THAT WOULD TAKE CARE OF THAT. 
          WE ALSO WERE LOOKING AT DOING SOME BLUE RIDGE TECH WORK ON SOME OF THE HVAC, BUT, UM, REALISTICALLY IT, FOR THOSE TWO PROJECTS, IT WOULD BE AROUND ABOUT 1,000,006 MM-HMM. 
           WE'RE, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD. 
          NO, GO AHEAD. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          UM, WE'RE CURRENTLY, UH, UH, FINISHING UP, UH, AT, WELL, WE'RE, WE'RE CURRENTLY, UH, STILL IN THE FINAL PHASE OF LFK, SO WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO, TO SAVE SOME FUNDING THERE, AT LEAST THE AMOUNT THAT WE BUDGETED FOR. 
          AND THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT TRYING TO DO THE E WILSON MORRISON, UM, RENOVATION OF THE, OF A GYMATORIUM, UH, THERE FROM THEIR AUDITORIUM. 
          UM, I FEEL FAIRLY CONFIDENT THAT THE MONEY THAT WE CAN SAVE FROM THE LFK PROJECT CAN PROBABLY BE ENOUGH TO, TO COVER THAT. 
          SO COULD, COULD WE SAVE THAT THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE IN THE CAPITAL BUDGET IS GOING TO COVER YOUR IMPROVEMENTS FOR NEXT YEAR? OR, OR WILL WE BE COMING BACK AT THIS AND NEGOTIATING MORE MONEY FOR THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS FOR NEXT YEAR? FROM WHAT I KNOW THAT, AND YOU CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, DR. 
          DALEY, UM, ALL THIS IS OFF MEMORY, BUT I HAVE A PRETTY GOOD MEMORY. 
          UM, I BELIEVE THE AMOUNT OF FUNDING THAT WAS IN THE, UH, CAPITAL RESERVES, WHICH HAS IDENTIFIED FOR SCHOOLS, WAS ABOUT 5,100,000, 200,000. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I'M GLAD. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, I'M THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO FIVE, UH, WANTED SOME CHANGE. 
          AND I THINK TO FINISH OUT THE LFK PROJECT OF THAT, UH, IS GONNA RUN ABOUT 4.2, 4.3 MILLION. 
          SO THAT SHOULD LEAVE SOMEWHERE AROUND 900, $800,000 LEFT IN, UH, THAT PARTICULAR FUND. 
          AND THEN WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT THE 300, UH, 300,000, 308,000, UH, FOR THE RENOVATION OF THE ROOM AT E WILSON MORRISON. 
          UM, AND TRYING TO SAVE SOME, SOME OF THAT COULD COME FROM THE LFK PROJECT. 
          I JUST DON'T KNOW UNTIL THE END. 
          'CAUSE SOME OF THAT'S HOLDING CONTINGENCIES. 
          AND ALTHOUGH I FEEL CONFIDENT THAT THINGS WILL GO WELL, I, I STILL CAN'T A HUNDRED PERCENT SAY. 
          SO THAT SHOULD LEAVE IN THAT ACCOUNT. 
          I WOULD SAY SOMEWHERE AROUND 800,000 OR 700,000, 600 KEEP GOING DOWN ON ME. 
          OKAY. 
          I WISH MY MATH WAS A LITTLE BIT STRONGER THERE. 
           ABOUT 600,000. 
          SO POSSIBLY 600,000 OF THAT OBVIOUSLY COULD BE USED TOWARD THOSE PROJECTS. 
          BUT WITH THE TENNIS COURTS AND WITH THE COOLING TOWER AND THE AUDITORIUM, LIKE I SAID, THAT'S 1.6. 
          SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS MM-HMM. 
           INCREASE. 
          SO DR. 
          DALEY, I DO HAVE A QUESTION. 
          UM, WITH OUR CARRY OR, OR WITH THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE CAPITAL THAT WE PUT INTO OPERATIONS FOR THIS YEAR THAT WE HAD TO REPLACE, IS THAT INCLUDED IN THE FIGURES THAT BUCK'S TALKING ABOUT AS FAR AS MONEY OR WHEN THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAVE THE, WHEN THE AUDIT COMES BACK AND SAYS WHAT THAT NUMBER IS, WOULD THAT BE ADDED TO THAT? YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE SETTING AT SIX RIGHT NOW AND THERE'S SIX COMING, THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S 1.2. 
          I THINK THE TOTAL IS 5.1 SOMETHING. 
          COULD YOU INCLUDE EVERYTHING YOU, THAT, THAT HAS NOT BEEN ATED? SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE 8 96 
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FROM LAST YEAR THAT HAS NOT BEEN APPROPRIATED, THE BOARD HAS NEVER DONE ANYTHING WITH THAT. 
          THAT'S IN THE COUNTY RESERVES IS WHERE THAT IS, THAT'S WHERE IT'S, OKAY. 
          BUT THAT'S, THAT'S SEPARATE FROM THE 5.1 AND IT'S A CHANGE 43,000. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          SO, OH, THAT'S NOT, THANK YOU. 
          THANKS. 
          IS THAT YOURS? UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT IS, UH, OTHER PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. 
          AND I, I, I RECOGNIZE THAT THERE COULD BE A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE GONNA GET, YOU KNOW, PUT INTO A CATEGORY LIKE THAT, JUST GOING THROUGH ALL THE COST CENTERS. 
          THEY ADD UP THE DEBT, THE INCREASE FOR 25, A LITTLE NORTH OF $800,000. 
          UM, IN SOME CASES, THOSE ARE QUITE LARGE. 
          AND, UM, I'M, I'M JUST, I DON'T KNOW IF IT, IF MAY BE NOT, CERTAINLY NOT TONIGHT, I DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH 'EM ITEM BY ITEM, BUT UNDERSTANDING IN SOME OF THOSE CASES, LIKE WHY DID IT GO UP? 78% WANTED IT GO UP, UH, FIVE TIMES, UH, 55%. 
          YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S VARIOUS REASONS AND, AND IT'S JUST A KIND OF A AMORPHOUS CATEGORY. 
          SO WHEN IT, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT, AT A BOTTOM LINE HERE OF A DELTA OF 2.6 MILLION, THEN IN OTHER PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, SOME OF OVER 800,000 STARTS TO LOOK LIKE A CON, YOU KNOW, MEANINGFUL PORTION OF IT. 
          SO, UH, PERHAPS SOME BREAKDOWN OF THAT COULD BE, COULD BE LOOKED AT OR, OR PROVIDED BEFORE, YOU KNOW, AT EVER OUR NEXT MEETING OR NEXT PHASE OR WHATEVER OF THIS. 
          DO YOU MEAN THE, SO LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT THE SUBSTITUTES BEING ONE OF THOSE, THAT'S AN EXAMPLE, THE JANITORIAL SERVICES AND THEN THE, THE TWO HALF SROS. 
          YEAH, EVERY CENTER IF YOU JUST LOOK FOR OTHER PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. 
          BUT THAT, I MEAN, THAT ALREADY BRINGS IT TO 700 AND SOME THOUSAND. 
          JUST THOSE THREE ITEMS. A LOT OF THOSE UNDER, UM, AND I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR DR. 
          BALLINGER, BUT I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UM, IN LIKE THE SPECIAL SERVICES, IT COULD BE CONTRACTED SERVICES THAT ARE CONTRACTED OUT. 
          UM, THAT WOULD FALL UNDERNEATH THERE AS WELL. 
          IF I COULD MAKE A, UH, A, A SUGGESTION ON HERE AND IT, IT WOULD MAKE IT, AT LEAST FOR ME, IT'D MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE EASY TO, TO READ. 
          I, I LIKE THE WAY THAT YOU'VE, YOU'VE LAID THIS OUT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE ORIGINAL REQUEST, THE REQUESTED, UH, OR THE, THE ORIGINAL BUDGET, THE REQUESTED BUDGET, UH, THE REQUESTED INCREASE, THE, THE CABINET COMMITTEE ADJUSTMENTS AND THEN THE SUPERINTENDENT PROPOSED BUDGET. 
          BUT, UH, IF, IF I COULD RECOMMEND THAT THERE WOULD BE A, A, UH, SIXTH COLUMN IN THERE AND THAT WOULD BE THE INCREASE OR DECREASE FROM THE ORIGINAL BUDGET. 
          BECAUSE THE, UH, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, JUST TAKING A LOOK AT THIS, AND THIS IS ON PAGE SIX OF 12, AND I KNOW THAT WE'VE TOUCHED ON THIS BEFORE, BUT IT, IT KIND OF, KIND OF, UH, HIGHLIGHTS THIS WHERE THE, UM, THE HUMAN RESOURCES, I THINK IT'S THE SIXTH LINE DOWN WHERE YOU'VE GOT THE TECHNOLOGY, UH, HARDWARE REPLACEMENTS, UH, ORIGINAL WAS, WAS ZERO, UH, REQUESTED WAS, UH, A HUNDRED THE WRONG HERE. 
          ONE, 1.625 MILLION OF THE, UH, REQUESTED INCREASE WAS 1.625 MILLION. 
          THEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND THE CABINET OF ADJUSTMENTS WAS MINUS 1 MILLION. 
          AND, UH, SO THAT, THAT KIND OF GIVES YOU THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE IMPRESSION THAT WOW, YOU KNOW, WE'VE REALLY DECREASED THIS. 
          SO 625,000, BUT THEN IF YOU HAD THAT, THAT SIX COLUMN IN THERE, YOU COULD SEE WHERE OH, OKAY, FROM LAST YEAR IT WAS ZERO. 
          AND UH, NOW THIS YEAR IT'S 600. 
          IT'S AN INCREASE OF 625,000. 
          IT'S JUST, JUST A SMALL, UH, A SMALL THING IN THERE. 
          AND THAT WAY WHEN YOU GO THROUGH AND YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THESE INCREASES AND DECREASES, YOU CAN, UH, YOU CAN GET A, AN IDEA AS TO WHAT THE PERCENTAGES ARE OF, SAY LIKE IF THE, UH, THE $625,000 OUT OF THE, THE 2.8 MILLION THAT WOULD BE, OR THE, UH, WHAT IS IT, TWO POINT, UM, THE 2.65? YEAH, WELL THE, THE 2.25 OF YOU COULD SAY THAT THAT'S ROUGHLY ABOUT, UH, WHAT ABOUT 15 TO 20%. 
          AND THAT JUST GIVES YOU AN IDEA AS TO OH, OKAY. 
          WELL, WHERE THE, WHERE ARE THE BIG AREAS THAT ARE COMING OUT? MM-HMM, . 
          MM-HMM, . 
          YEAH. 
          THAT, THAT'S EASY ENOUGH TO DO. 
          AND THAT'LL, THAT'LL GIVE YOU THE, WHAT'S DRIVING THOSE, THOSE NUMBERS. 
          THAT WAY YOU CAN LOOK AT IT AND OKAY. 
          YEAH, 
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THAT'S EASY ENOUGH TO DO AND WE'LL DO IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO GOING BACK TO THE CAPITAL . 
          SO WHEN, SO WHEN ARE WE GOING TO SEE YOUR CAPITAL BUDGET PLAN? SO BUCK WILL BE ADDING THAT, UH, IF WE HAVEN'T ALREADY ADDED IT TO THE SLIDES, THAT'LL BE PRESENTED AT THE NEXT, UH, BOARD MEETING. 
          BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT HE WORKS WITH THE COUNTY AS FAR AS WITH PUTTING THINGS ON CAPITAL. 
          BUT AS FAR AS WHAT WILL BE IN OUR BUDGET, IT WILL BE NEXT WEDNESDAY. 
          SO WHEN, SO WHEN WILL THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS BE ABLE TO GET THAT BUDGET PRIOR OR AFTER? UH, IT'LL BE POSTED ON BOARD DOCS BY FRIDAY. 
          COULD YOU LIKE, GIVE US A COURTESY COPY BEFORE IT GOES OUT ON, ON THE, ON THE WEBSITE? IT'LL JUST BE THE PROPOSED THAT WE'LL BE LOOKING AT TODAY DAY. 
          IT'S JUST THE PROPOSED THE BOARD TO APPROVE IT. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          WE'LL JUST WAIT AND SEE WHAT'S POSTED THEN. 
          I MEAN, I CAN SEND A COPY TO, TO DR. 
          DALEY THAT HE CAN SEND OUT. 
          WELL, THAT WOULD BE PERFECT WHEN I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT, WHEN I POST THAT. 
          SO, YEAH, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW, UM, SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY REALIZE THIS OR NOT, BUT THIS MONEY, IT, THERE'S NO COLOR TO THE, THE CAPITAL, UM, BUDGET AND OPERATIONS BUDGET, IT'S THE SAME, WHAT I CALL COLOR OF MONEY. 
          IT'S NOT DESIGNATED WITH ANYTHING. 
          AND IT'S, AND HOW THE MONEY IS DISTRIBUTED BETWEEN THE TWO DIFFERENT ACCOUNTS IS BASED ON OUR CONVERSATION HERE AND WHAT WE APPROVE AND WHATNOT. 
          SO IT'S IMPORTANT FOR ME, IF I'M GOING TO APPROVE THIS, UH, THE SCHOOL BUDGET, THAT I, THAT'S A PIECE THAT I NEED TO PUT INTO THE EQUATION AS WELL. 
          YOU KNOW, SO EE EVEN IF WE GO TO, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, A GOOD, GOOD CASE HERE, IF IT'S $2.6 MILLION, IF WE, UH, ADDITIONAL COUNTY APPROPRIATION AND THEN YOUR CAPITAL PLAN RIGHT, COMES IN AND YOU JUST SAY, WELL, WE NEED 1.1 MILLION. 
          WELL, THAT GOES, THAT 2.6 GOES UP 1.1 MILLION, YOU KNOW? SO, UM, AS SOON AS, AS SOON AS YOU COULD GET THAT TO US, I, I'D REALLY APPRECIATE IT. 
          YEAH, NO PROBLEM. 
          AND I'M GONNA GO BACK TO THE COMMENT I JUST MADE BECAUSE I REALIZED IT WAS KIND OF REALLY REDUNDANT BECAUSE IT ALREADY SAYS OTHER PROFESSIONAL NURSES. 
          I DIDN'T QUITE FINISH MY THOUGHT. 
          UM, THE EXAMPLE I WANTED TO SHARE WAS, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, UNDER LIKE THE HIGH SCHOOLS, THAT LARGE AMOUNT IN OTHER PROFESSIONAL SERVICES IS PAYING FOR THE REFS BECAUSE EACH HIGH SCHOOL HAS TO PAY FOR THE REFS. 
          SO THAT'S, I WAS JUST TRYING TO GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW THEY'RE ALL CONTRACTED SERVICES 'CAUSE THEY'RE OTHER PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. 
          UM, THAT WAS, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF SOME OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT IN OUR BUDGET COMMITTEE MEETINGS. 
          UH, I THINK THE ONE UNDER, UM, SPECIAL EDUCATION WAS THAT ONE WAS, UM, AN ADVERTISED POSITION THAT HADN'T BEEN FILLED. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? AND WE HAD TO CONTRACT OUT FOR IT. 
          THE, THE REQUEST WAS FOR CONTRACTED SERVICES FOR, UM, A SIGN LANGUAGE INTERPRETER. 
          BUT WE HAVE A POSITION AND WHAT WE EXPLAINED WAS SINCE THAT POSITION HASN'T BEEN FILLED, WE WILL MOVE THAT DOWN TO THE LABOR PIECE SO THAT YOU CAN PAY FOR CONTRACTED SERVICES. 
          BUT THEN IF YOU FEEL THAT POSITION, THEN YOU WILL NOT BE PAYING FOR CONTRACTED SERVICES. 
          SO IT WAS ALREADY IN THERE, IT'S JUST WE NEEDED TO MOVE IT FROM THIS BUCKET TO THIS BUCKET BECAUSE NOW WE'RE PAYING IT DOWN HERE INSTEAD OF HAVING SOMEBODY UP HERE THAT WE'RE PAYING FOR IT. 
          WE'LL GET YOU A BREAKOUT ON THE CONTRACTED SERVICES, PARTICULARLY THE LARGER ONES THAT MAKE, UH, IT SEEMS, THIS SEEMS LIKE AN APPROPRIATE APPENDIX. 
          I MEAN NO MATTER WHAT IT IS. 
          AND THERE THE, THAT'S ALL. 
          DO WE HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE, UM, MATERIALS PRESENTED? ? I'M FINE WITH THAT IF YOU ARE DR. 
          DALEY. 
          SURE. 
          UM, WE'VE CHANGED THE BOXER AND NUMBER ONE BOX KEEPS CHANGING. 
          UM, FIRST LET ME SAY THAT REGARDING THE CAPITAL, THE SCHOOL'S CAPITAL, WHAT WE HAVE DONE THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS IS AT THE END OF THE YEAR WHEN THIS, WHATEVER THE SCHOOL'S CAPITAL CARRYOVER RATHER IS IN THE FALL WHEN WE FIND OUT FROM THE AUDITOR, AND THIS YEAR WE'RE NOT GONNA FIND OUT, WE DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER YET. 
          UH, 
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LAST YEAR IT WAS JUST UNDER 900,000, UH, PRIOR YEARS, IT IS RANGED AS HIGH AS ALMOST 3 MILLION. 
          AND UM, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAS THEN AGREED TO REAPPROPRIATE THAT MONEY THE NEXT YEAR FOR SCHOOL'S CAPITAL. 
          SO, UM, LFK HAS $4 MILLION FROM THE COUNTY. 
          THAT WAS A PARTIALLY SAVED IN PRIOR YEARS AND PUT INTO SPECIAL PROJECTS AND PART OF IT SAVED IN PRIOR YEARS AND SPECIFICALLY DESIGNATED FOR LFK, UM, THAT HAS SOME OTHER MONEY WITH IT. 
          THAT WAS FROM PRIOR YEARS. 
          SO THERE'S ABOUT 5.143, SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN THERE. 
          UM, LOOKING AT WHEN YOU TAKE OUT THE REMAINDER, WHAT'S NEEDED EXPECTED FOR LFK AND YOU SUBTRACT, UM, E WILSON, YOU'RE GOING TO END UP WITH ABOUT 600,000 THAT CAN THEN BE IN THAT ACCOUNT FOR NEXT YEAR TO GO AGAINST THIS MILLION MILLION SIX, EXCUSE ME, MILLION 6, 2 5, I THINK YOU SAID. 
          UM, THEN THERE'S 900,894 OR SOMETHING THAT WILL IS IN LAST YEAR'S AUDIT 22 AUDIT THAT HAS BEEN ACCEPTED AND EVERYTHING ELSE, IT HAS JUST NEVER BEEN APPROPRIATED AND HAS NEVER BEEN REQUESTED BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN WAITING TO SEE WHERE WE GO WITH LFK AND HOW THAT COMES OUT. 
          BECAUSE REMEMBER THAT WAS QUITE A PRETTY BIG PROJECT. 
          15 MILLION, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          UH, SO IT HAD A VARIETY OF SOURCES. 
          SO THAT MONEY CAN BE APPROPRIATED AT SOME POINT TO THIS SCHOOL'S CAPITAL. 
          IT'S GOING TO PUT ABOUT 1.5 IN THERE AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR 1.6 AND A QUARTER, UH, THIS YEAR WHEN WE GET THE 23 AUDIT, THERE WILL BE SOME CARRYOVER, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, HAVEN'T HEARD A NUMBER YET, BUT IN ALL PROBABILITY WILL BE GREATER THAN THE 1 25 THAT'S NEEDED FOR THAT CAPITAL. 
          IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE A MINIMUM OF SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S WHERE I THINK THAT WE LOOK TO FOR THAT CAPITAL MONEY. 
          SO TAKING THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, IF YOU TOOK EVERYTHING EVERYBODY ASKED FOR AND YOU TAKE LAST WEEK'S PROJECTIONS FROM THE STATE, THE WORST POSSIBLE SCENARIO WAS 5.7 MILLION. 
          PUTTING THAT NUMBER IN THE BOX, THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT APPROXIMATELY 18 MILLION THAT THE COUNTY NEEDS TO GENERATE WITH WHAT EVERYBODY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE. 
          EVERYBODY'S WISHLIST IN HERE. 
          UH, THEY HAVE REVISED THIS AND DWINDLED IT DOWN AND WE SAVE APPROXIMATELY $3 MILLION FROM WHERE THAT 5.7 GOES DOWN TO 2.6. 
          WE TOOK APPROXIMATELY FOUR AND A HALF MILLION OUT LAST WEEK. 
          SO THE NUMBERS REAL CLOSE, GONNA BE AROUND 10 MILLION. 
          SOME OF THAT WILL GET SOME REVENUE A LITTLE BIT HERE, A LITTLE BIT THERE. 
          WE SALES HAVE BEEN GOING WELL. 
          SALES TAX WILL DO WELL, UH, LODGING DOES WELL, BUT THAT GOES PRIMARILY TO TOURISM. 
          UM, CAR VALUES ARE DOWN. 
          UH, REAL ESTATE IS LEVEL OR DOWN A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE WE INCREASED OUR EXEMPTIONS. 
          SO WE WILL BE TALKING ON THURSDAY ABOUT A LIST OF PROJECTS. 
          UH, WE HAVE A REQUEST TO FUND THE SHENANDOAH SHORES, UH, FIRE STATION AT APPROXIMATELY EIGHT AND A HALF, $850,000. 
          WE HAVE FOUR 
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UNFILLED POSITIONS IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE THAT HAVE NOT BEEN FUNDED THAT NEED TO BE FUNDED AT APPROXIMATELY $350,000. 
          UH, WE HAVE, UH, A REQUEST FOR ABOUT 15 SHERIFF'S VEHICLES. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT PROPOSING EIGHT SHERIFF'S VEHICLES. 
          NORMALLY WE DO FOUR SHERIFF'S VEHICLES, SO THE OTHER FOUR IS 300,000. 
          OUR INSURANCE WILL BE UP, UM, THREE UP ALMOST 400,000. 
          UH, AND WHEN WE LINE ALL THESE NUMBERS UP, THEN WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THAT AND WE'RE GOING TO ASK THE BOARD TO LOOK AT THAT WITH THIS 2.6 OR WHATEVER THEY'RE ABLE TO FUND OF THAT AND SAY, OKAY, WE CAN FUND WITH ONE PENNY OF REAL ESTATE, WHICH IS $600,000. 
          WE CAN FUND THIS AND WE CAN FUND THIS, UH, PERSONAL PROPERTY. 
          UH, 20 CENTS RAISES ABOUT $400,000 LESS THAN A PENNY, BUT SUBSTANTIAL. 
          AND WITH THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO FUND THIS AND FUND THAT, ET CETERA. 
          UH, AND WE'LL LOOK AT THOSE 'CAUSE WE HAVE TO SET REAL ESTATE IN EARLY APRIL. 
          YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND SET THOSE RATES IN ORDER TO HAVE TAX BILLS GO OUT. 
          AND THEN IT'S A MATTER UNTIL JUNE 30TH OF WAITING TO SEE NUMBER ONE, WHAT THE GOVERNOR DOES WITH THE BUDGET AND HOW THAT CHANGES ANY OF THIS. 
          AND WITH OUR STATE FUNDED POSITIONS, INCLUDING SOCIAL SERVICES AND THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS. 
          AND THEN LOOKING AT WHAT WE WANT TO DO AND WHERE WE LOOK AT FOR OUR FUNDING TO CLOSE THE BOX, IF YOU WILL, THERE. 
          THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT. 
          SO IF, IF I HEARD YOU CORRECTLY, SO WITH ALL OF OUR REDUCTIONS IN THE ASKS FROM ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS, AND IF WE GO WITH THE LOW NUMBER HERE FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD, WE ARE STILL ANTICIPATING THAT WE WE HAVE TO RAISE 1 CENT ON REAL ESTATE PROPERTY. 
          IS THAT A TAX INCREASE? IS THAT ONE 1 CENT ON REAL ESTATE OKAY. 
          IS $600,000. 
          OH, SO IT'D BE MORE THAN 1 CENT IS WHAT 1 CENT DOES. 
          SO, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, GO AHEAD. 
          THE SCHOOL BOARDS ASK OF ADDITIONAL FUNDS WOULD BE A 4 CENT INCREASE IN CORRECT TAXES. 
          YES MA'AM. 
          AND THAT DOESN'T AND A HALF INCLUDE ANY OF THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS. 
          SO, SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          IF, UM, GET OUR ARMS, ARMS AROUND THIS WOULD FOUR ANSWERS WE LOOKING INCREASING TAXES. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WERE SAYING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I WOULD NOTE, UM, JUST FOR EVERYBODY'S INFORMATION HAPPENED TO BE LOOKING AT THE 2007 AUDIT AND AT THAT TIME, LOCAL TAXES, REAL ESTATE, PERSONAL PROPERTY, ET CETERA, GENERATED $55 MILLION. 
          UH, 17 YEARS LATER, WE'RE GENERATING JUST ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT. 
          THANK YOU FOR THOSE STATS. 
          YES MA'AM. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I, WELL, I APPRECIATE EVERYONE BEING HERE AND I DON'T THINK WE'VE BEEN SHOVED UP TOO BADLY UP HERE. 
          SO IT WORKED. 
          UM, MR. VALENTINE APPRECIATES YOUR PRESENTATION AND ANOTHER GROUP OF NUMBERS TO, TO FIGURE OUT IN THE BIG, THAT BOX IS GETTING BIGGER AND BIGGER . 
          BUT I DO WANNA SAY THAT, UM, THE ITEMS MR. SMITH TALKED ABOUT, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THOSE IN THE BUILDING COMMITTEE AND, UM, I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE, BUT I, YOU KNOW, THE LFK PROJECT HAS GONE SO WELL. 
          HOPE WE DON'T JINX IT BY SAYING THAT, BUT IT HAS GONE VERY WELL, UM, BEEN ON BUDGET, MAYBE A LITTLE EVEN UNDER BUDGET, SO APPRECIATE AND, UM, I THINK KUDOS NEEDS TO GO TO MS. VACA AND HER STAFF ON HOW WELL THEY WORKED WITH THE CONTRACTORS. 
          AND IT, IT'S JUST ON REALLY WELL, AND AT THAT, I GUESS WE WILL ADJOURN. 
          THANK YOU ALL. 
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GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. 
          I'M NOT SURE I'M ON. 
          AND WELCOME TO THE SPECIAL BOARD MEETING OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MARCH 12TH, 2024. 
          UH, I'D LIKE TO HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER AND IF EVERYONE WOULD RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEASE, MR. ALLEGIANCE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC, WHICH IT STANDS. 
          ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY. 
          THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. 
          WE'RE GONNA START THE MEETING WITH THE 2024, UH, VPSA SPRING POOL REFUNDING, AND THAT'S GONNA BE ON, UM, THE, UM, TV, UH, IF WE'RE READY FOR THAT AS FOLLOWS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, MATURITY IS 2025 2027 THROUGH 2028 AND TWO TH 2031 THROUGH 2033 PAR AMOUNT OF 11 MILLION, UH, $20,000 INTEREST RATES RANGING FROM 3.0 TO 5.0 WITH A CALL DATE OF JULY 15TH, 2024. 
          THE COUNTY MAY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REFUND THE REMAINING COLLEGE LEVEL 2014 BONDS ON A TAX EXEMPT BASIS THROUGH THE 2024 VPSA SPRING POOL ISSUANCE TO ACHIEVE DEBT SERVICE SAVINGS. 
          SHOULD THE COUNTY DECIDE TO PURSUE THE POTENTIAL REFUNDING SUBJECT TO CERTAIN PARAMETERS BEING MET. 
          VPSA REQUIRES APPROVAL FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD BY 3 14 20 24 AND FROM THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS BY APRIL 3RD, 2024. 
          ATTACHED IN YOUR PACKET THIS EVENING WAS THE SCHOOL BOARD'S APPROVAL. 
          THE DEADLINE TO WITHDRAW FROM THE VPSA SPRING POOL IS APRIL 22ND, 2024. 
          AND WITH ME ON TEAMS AND THE MONITOR BEHIND ME, I HAVE MR. WILSON FROM DAVENPORT, WHO HAS SPOKEN WITH THE BOARD PREVIOUSLY TO GO OVER HIS PRESENTATION. 
          WE WILL TURN IT OVER TO YOU NOW, SIR. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          CAN YOU ALL HEAR ME OKAY? I THINK SO. 
          YES, SIR. 
          UM, IF I WERE TO SHARE MY SCREEN, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO SEE IT AS WELL? 'CAUSE I CAN DO THAT TO WALK ALONG WITH THE PRESENTATION. 
          OKAY. 
          NOW WE CAN'T HEAR YOU AS WELL. 
          HOW ABOUT NOW? THAT'S A BIT BETTER. 
          OKAY, I'LL JUST, I'LL SPEAK LOUDLY IF THAT WORKS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I WILL FLIP OVER TO THIS PRESENTATION. 
          SO ALYSSA GAVE A VERY GOOD OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE ARE LOOKING TO DO HERE THIS SPRING. 
          UM, LIKE SHE MENTIONED, THESE 2014 BONDS WERE REFUNDED PREVIOUSLY TWICE, UH, IN THE FALL OF 2020 AND IN THE SPRING OF 2021. 
          BUT WHEN WE DID THAT, WE DIDN'T HA WE DID NOT REFUND EVERY SINGLE MATURITY. 
          AND AS A RESULT, THERE ARE STILL SOME OUTSTANDING. 
          UM, AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TONIGHT IS ACTION ON YOUR PART, UH, TO PASS THIS RESOLUTION IN FRONT OF YOU. 
          UH, AND WHAT THAT WILL DO IS ESTABLISH PARAMETERS THAT SAY, AS IF INTEREST RATES COOPERATE, AND IF YOU REACH A CERTAIN LEVEL OF SAVINGS, THEN YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS REFUNDING. 
          UH, IF THOSE PARAMETERS ARE NOT MET, THERE WILL BE NO COST TO THE COUNTY AT THIS TIME, AND WE CAN JUST LOOK FORWARD TO THE NEXT VPSA POOL THIS FALL TO SEE IF INTEREST RATES HAVE MOVED FAVORABLY ENOUGH TO, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT AT THAT TIME. 
          UM, LIKE ALYSSA MENTIONED, THE, THE SCHOOL BOARD PASSED THEIR RESOLUTION LAST WEEK. 
          UH, SO THAT WAS THE ONLY ACTION THAT'S REQUIRED FROM THEM. 
          AND AGAIN, THERE'S ONLY ONE ACTION REQUIRED OF YOU ALL, WHICH IS THE RESOLUTION THAT YOU ARE CONSIDERING 
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TONIGHT. 
          UH, THAT RESOLUTION WILL GIVE THE BOARD CHAIR AND THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR THE ABILITY TO MAKE THE CALL LATER ON THIS SPRING ON WHETHER OR NOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE REFUNDING. 
          UM, WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT HERE ON THE NEXT COUPLE PAGES ABOUT WHAT SORT OF DECISIONS THEY COULD MAKE. 
          UM, BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT IF YOU SET A CERTAIN PARAMETER OF SAVINGS, UH, AND IT'S NOT MET, THEN VPSA WILL NOT REQUIRE YOU TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, AND THEY WILL NOT CHARGE, UH, ANY FEES TO YOU. 
          SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, IF WE FLIP TO PAGE THREE, UH, THIS JUST SHOWS YOU THE, THE INDIVIDUAL MATURITIES THAT ARE STILL OUTSTANDING ON THOSE 2014 BONDS. 
          UH, THE PAR AMOUNT THERE ADDS UP TO $11 MILLION. 
          NOW BECAUSE THESE WERE ISSUED IN THE PUBLIC MARKETS, THEY WEREN'T ALONE WITH A BANK. 
          THEY WERE, THEY WERE ISSUED OUT TO INVESTORS IN THE PUBLIC MARKETS. 
          EACH MATURITY HAS A DIFFERENT COUPON INTEREST RATE. 
          UH, SO YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A 5%, 3%, AND A FEW OTHERS ON THE BACKEND THERE. 
          AND THESE CAN ALL BE CALLED OR PREPAID, UH, ON JULY 15TH, 2024. 
          NOW, BECAUSE WE DID THESE REFUNDINGS BACK SEVERAL YEARS AGO, UH, AT THAT TIME, WE HAD TO DO THOSE REFUNDINGS ON A TAXABLE BASIS BECAUSE THEY WERE SO FAR FROM THE CALL DATE OF THIS JULY. 
          UM, NOW AT THE TIME, INTEREST RATES WERE VERY LOW, SO THE TAXABLE INTEREST RATES WERE MORE FAVORABLE THAN THEY ARE AT THIS POINT, BUT BECAUSE WE'RE SO CLOSE TO THAT CALL DATE, NOW YOU ALL ARE ABLE TO REFUND THESE BONDS ON A TAX EXEMPT BASIS. 
          SO THAT PRESENTS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD FOR THE LAST YEAR OR SO BECAUSE INTEREST RATES HAVE IMPROVED, HAVE GOTTEN HIGHER. 
          NOW, I'LL DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF THIS PAGE. 
          THE, THE REFUNDING SAVINGS THAT WE ARE ESTIMATING RIGHT NOW. 
          NOW THIS IS AS OF LAST WEEK, BUT THE MARKET HAS NOT MOVED VERY MUCH SINCE THEN. 
          UH, THE INTEREST RATE THAT, THAT THESE ARE BASED ON IS ABOUT A 2.6% INTEREST RATE. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'VE CALCULATED FOR EACH MATURITY HOW MUCH SAVINGS IS BEING GENERATED, UH, IN THE CURRENT MARKET. 
          AND TYPICALLY, WE LOOK AT THESE NOT ONLY IN THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS THAT ARE BEING SAVED, BUT ALSO AS A PERCENTAGE OF THE AMOUNT BEING REFUNDED. 
          SO THAT LAST COLUMN THERE, THE PV PERCENTAGE SAVINGS, THAT'S REALLY THE METRIC THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT FOR THE PARAMETER THAT'S GOING TO BE IN YOUR RESOLUTION. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE RIGHT NOW THAT SOME OF THOSE, THOSE MATURITIES AREN'T PRODUCING VERY MUCH SAVINGS. 
          THE ONES ON THE LONGER END THERE IN YELLOW, UH, ARE PRODUCING SAVINGS OVER 3%. 
          AND THE VERY LAST MATURITY THERE IS PRODUCING SAVINGS OVER 6%. 
          AND AS A WHOLE, IF YOU WERE TO REFUND ALL OF THESE RIGHT NOW, YOU WOULD ACHIEVE SAVINGS OF ABOUT 2.55%. 
          NOW THAT'S BELOW THE PARAMETER THAT'S IN YOUR RESOLUTION, WHICH HAS BEEN PUT IN THERE AT 4%. 
          AND WE CAN SEE ON THE NEXT COUPLE PAGES HERE, WE'VE DONE A SENSITIVITY TO SHOW HOW MUCH DOES THE MARKET NEED TO MOVE IN ORDER TO MEET THAT 4% PARAMETER THAT'S IN YOUR RESOLUTION. 
          SO COLUMN B HERE IS THE SAME INFORMATION AS THE PRIOR PAGE THAT'S IN THE CURRENT MARKET. 
          IF WE WERE TO REFUND ALL OF THE OUTSTANDING CALLABLE MATURITIES, UH, THE PRESENT VALUE SAVINGS, WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT ON THE PRIOR PAGE, WOULD BE ABOUT $280,000. 
          AND YOUR PUV SAVINGS WOULD BE 2.55%. 
          UH, UNDER THE GREEN HEADER THERE, WE'VE SHOWN WHAT DO THE SAVINGS LOOK LIKE IF THE INTEREST RATES WERE TO GO UP BY 0.1% OR IF THEY WERE TO GO DOWN BY 0.1%. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE THAT ON THAT LINE FOUR, IF THEY WERE TO GO UP BY 10.1%, THAT SAVINGS WOULD GO FROM 2.55 TO 2%. 
          AND THEN IF THEY WERE TO GO DOWN BY 0.1%, THEY WOULD GO FROM 2.55 TO ABOUT 3.1%. 
          NOW, UH, THE GOVERNMENTAL FINANCE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION, UH, SAYS THAT THE SAVINGS THRESHOLD THAT'S GENERALLY CONSIDERED THE INDUSTRY STANDARD THAT YOU ALL SHOULD BE TRYING TO ACHIEVE IS ABOUT THREE TO 5%. 
          SO WE'VE SHOWN HERE IN THESE LAST THREE COLUMNS, HOW MUCH DOES THE MARKET NEED TO MOVE IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE 3%, 4%, OR 5% SAVINGS? SO TO ACHIEVE 3% SAVINGS, INTEREST RATES WOULD ONLY NEED TO GO DOWN BY 0.08% TO ACHIEVE THE 4% 
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SAVINGS, INTEREST RATES WOULD NEED TO GO DOWN ABOUT A QUARTER OF A PERCENT OR 0.26%. 
          AND THEN TO ACHIEVE THAT 5% LEVEL, IT'S CLOSER TO HALF A PERCENT. 
          THAT INTEREST RATES WOULD NEED TO DECLINE IN ORDER TO GO FROM THE 2.55% THAT WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW TO GET TO THOSE LEVELS THAT ARE CONSIDERED INDUSTRY STANDARDS. 
          NOW, THE RESOLUTION DOES GIVE THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND THE BOARD CHAIR THE ABILITY TO PICK AND CHOOSE DIFFERENT MATURITIES THAT COULD BE INCLUDED IN THE REFUNDING TO GET TO THAT 4% LEVEL. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT WAS DONE IN THE PAST. 
          IN THE PAST, RESOLUTIONS WERE WERE PASSED THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO REFUND ALL OF THE MATURITIES. 
          BUT WHEN WE GOT TO THE POINT WHERE INTEREST RATES WERE BEING LOCKED IN ONLY CERTAIN MATURITIES WE'RE PRODUCING ENOUGH SAVINGS FOR IT TO BE WORTH IT. 
          SO WHAT WE'VE SHOWN ON THE NEXT PAGE IS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE ONLY SELECTED THOSE LAST COUPLE MATURITIES FROM PAGE THREE, THE ONES THAT WERE IN YELLOW AND GREEN, THAT WERE PRODUCING MORE THAN 3% SAVINGS OR REALLY MORE THAN 2% AT. 
          SO EVERYTHING THAT WE LEFT OUT WAS PRODUCING LESS THAN 2% SAVINGS IN THE CURRENT MARKET. 
          UNDER COLUMN B THERE, THAT $11 MILLION THAT WE WERE FUNDING NOW CHANGES TO A LITTLE UNDER 6 MILLION BECAUSE WE'VE DROPPED OUT THE MATURITIES THAT AREN'T WORKING. 
          AND THE PRESENT VALUE SAVINGS IS ABOUT 225,000, AND THAT TRANSLATES TO A PERCENTAGE OF 3.76%. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S MUCH CLOSER TO THE 4% THRESHOLD THAT WE ARE INCLUDING IN THIS RESOLUTION. 
          AND AGAIN, WE'VE SHOWN THE SAME SENSITIVITIES HERE WHERE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THE INTEREST RATES WOULD GO UP BY 0.1% OR DOWN, AND THEN THOSE THREE THRESHOLDS THAT, THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT PREVIOUSLY OF 3%, FOUR AND FIVE. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE THAT TO GET TO 3%, WE'RE ALREADY ABOVE IT. 
          SO EVEN IF INTEREST RATES GO UP, WE WOULD STILL BE ABOVE THAT 3% AS LONG AS THEY DON'T GO UP BY MORE THAN 0.09% FOR 4%. 
          INTEREST RATES ONLY NEED TO GO DOWN BY 0.03% IN ORDER TO, TO ACHIEVE 4% SAVINGS. 
          SO THIS JUST GIVES YOU SOME PERSPECTIVE ON WHAT COULD BE DONE IN THE NEXT SEVERAL WEEKS AND, AND WHAT, YEAH, SO WE, YOU COULD PICK AND CHOOSE DIFFERENT MATURITIES THAT COULD BE INCLUDED HERE, UH, TO GET TO THE 4% LEVEL AS LONG AS IN, IN TOTAL THE COUNTY IS HAPPY WITH THE SAVINGS AND THEY MEET THAT 4% THRESHOLD. 
          NOW, JUST TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF PERSPECTIVE ON PAGE SIX HERE, THIS IS SHOWING HOW MUCH THE, THE 10 YEAR MMD, WHICH IS A CUR OR A TAX EXEMPT INTEREST RATE, THAT IS CONSIDERED A BENCHMARK FOR THE MUNICIPAL MARKET. 
          HOW MUCH DOES THE, HAS THE 10 YEAR MMD CHANGED IN THE LAST 45 DAYS ON EACH OF THESE DAYS? SO IF WE WERE TO LOOK BACK IN SEPTEMBER, IF YOU WERE LOOKING AT AN INTEREST RATE IN SEPTEMBER AND COMPARING IT TO 45 DAYS PREVIOUSLY, INTEREST RATES HAD GONE UP IN, IN THAT TIME PERIOD AND THEY'D GONE UP BY ABOUT 0.5%. 
          NOW YOU CAN SEE IN THE DECEMBER JANUARY TIMEFRAME, THAT SAME 45 DAY LOOKBACK PERIOD, INTEREST RATES HAD GONE DOWN BY AS MUCH AS ONE WHOLE PERCENT. 
          SO REALLY ALL WE'RE TRYING TO SHOW YOU ON THIS PAGE IS THAT THERE'S ABOUT 45 DAYS FROM NOW UNTIL THE VPSA INTEREST RATES WILL BE LOCKED IN. 
          AND THAT'S WHEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO SAY WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE IN OR OUT. 
          AND THERE IS PRECEDENT IN THE MARKET FOR YOU TO SEE ENOUGH MOVEMENT IN INTEREST RATES FOR THAT SAVINGS TO EXCEED 4% OR EVEN MORE THAN THAT. 
          UM, NOW THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT IT ABSOLUTELY WILL, WHICH IS THE PURPOSE OF THE RESOLUTION THAT YOU ARE SETTING A MINIMUM OF 4% THAT YOU HAVE TO ACHIEVE TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS REFUNDING. 
          SO THE LAST PAGE WE HAD HERE IS JUST SHOWING THE, THE CALENDAR THAT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH. 
          UH, WE CAME, WE SPOKE PREVIOUSLY, UH, AT THE END OF FEBRUARY WITH YOU ALL TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF THIS. 
          UH, WE SPOKE WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD LAST WEEK AND THEY PASSED THEIR RESOLUTION. 
          YOU ALL ARE CONSIDERING, CONSIDERING YOUR RESOLUTION THIS EVENING. 
          UH, AND THERE IS ANOTHER BOARD MEETING BEFORE VPS A'S DEADLINE, UH, OF APRIL 3RD FOR YOU TO PASS A RESOLUTION IF YOU WERE TO WAIT AND DO IT AT THAT POINT. 
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UM, AND THEN ONCE THAT RESOLUTION IS PASSED, IT BECOMES A QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT MARKET INTEREST RATES WILL SUPPORT A REFUNDING AT, AT THAT 4% LEVEL. 
          AND THEN IT BECOMES A DECISION OF THE BOARD CHAIR AND THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR OF IF, IF IT DOESN'T WORK WITH ALL OF THE MATURITIES, WHICH MATURITIES MIGHT WE WANT TO INCLUDE? OR DO WE JUST NOT WANNA PURSUE THIS AT THIS TIME? SO I KNOW THAT'S BEEN A LOT OF TALKING, UH, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR IS THERE ANYTHING THAT I CAN COVER IN MORE DETAIL THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL? QUESTIONS? YEAH, SO CAN YOU JUST REFER TO PAGE NINE AND AND THE LAST COLUMN WHERE IT SAYS AGGREGATE SAVINGS? YES. 
          IS THAT THE, THAT THAT'S JUST THAT LAST COLUMN, THAT'S THE EXPECTED BENEFIT ON AN ANNUALIZED BASIS. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WHAT THIS IS SHOWING IS COLUMN B IS THE, WHEN YOU ISSUED THE BONDS IN 2014. 
          COLUMN B IS THE DEBT SERVICE THAT YOU KNEW AT THAT TIME THAT YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE PAYING ALL THE WAY OUT UNTIL 2040. 
          NOW WE HAVE DONE REFUNDINGS, LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE, IN 2020 AND 2021. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT'S IN COLUMN C AND D, THE SAVINGS THAT WAS ACHIEVED AT THAT TIME. 
          COLUMN E IS THE, THE ESTIMATED SAVINGS THAT WERE, UH, WE ARE, UH, ESTIMATING, UH, FOR THIS SPRING POTENTIAL REFUNDING AND COLUMN F IS THE RESULT AFTER YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THESE REFUNDINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE. 
          COLUMN F IS ACTUALLY THE DEBT SERVICE THAT YOU ALL WOULD NEED TO BE PAYING GOING FORWARD. 
          AND COLUMN G IS THE, THE AGGREGATE RESULT OF THESE THREE REFUNDINGS, UH, THAT YOU WOULD SEE. 
          SO IN TOTAL BETWEEN THE TWO THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN DONE AND THE ONE BEING CONSIDERED THIS SPRING, THAT COLUMN G IS THE TOTAL SAVINGS THAT WE ARE ESTIMATING AT THIS TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          SO COLUMN E IS, IS WHAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT FOR CONSIDERING WHETHER WE DO THIS? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I WOULD JUST NOTE, FIRST OF ALL, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE SEEING A LITTLE BIT OF VARIATION BETWEEN THE NUMBERS ON THE SCREEN THAT YOU'RE SHARING AND OUR PAPER COPIES. 
          SO, UM, JUST HOPING THAT WE CAN GET UP TO DATE, UH, COPIES ON A PERIODIC BASIS AS THE 45 DAY, UH, TIMELINE UNFOLDS. 
          YES, WE CAN ABSOLUTELY PROVIDE PERIODIC UPDATES AND WE WILL BE, WE'LL BE IN TOUCH WITH COUNTY STAFF, UH, AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE PROCESS TO KEEP THEM UPDATED AS WELL, UM, JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL, ALL UP TO DATE AND KNOW WHAT THE MARKET IS LOOKING LIKE. 
          BUT YES, THESE, THESE INTEREST RATES ARE A, A, A HAIR LOWER THAN THE ONES WE LOOKED AT, UM, AT THE END OF FEBRUARY AND POTENTIALLY THE ONES THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UH, IN YOUR PACKET. 
          BUT THIS, THIS PRESENTATION IS BASED ON RATES AS OF THE END OF LAST WEEK. 
          AND AGAIN, THE MARKET HASN'T MOVED MUCH SINCE THEN. 
          SO THESE ARE ESSENTIALLY THE CURRENT MARKET AS WE STAND TODAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DR. 
          DALEY. 
          DID YOU JUST WANTED TO SAY SHE WAS BRINGING THEM IN, ASK AND RECEIVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          JANE, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT? DR. 
          DALEY, YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS FOR US BEFORE WE GET? WELL, I THINK JUST THE REMINDER THAT THE KEY TO THIS IS THE VETO THAT THE CHAIR HAS. 
          UH, WHEN WE GET CLOSER, IF THE SAVINGS ISN'T THERE, UH, WE WOULD NOTIFY ALL THE BOARD AND CONTACT THEM, BUT THE BOARD WOULD BE AUTHORIZED, CHAIR WOULD BE AUTHORIZED TO TELL, UH, VPSA THAT WE WERE WITHDRAWING AT THE TIME BEING, OR WE WERE GOING TO DIVIDE THIS AND ONLY GO IN WITH PARTIAL. 
          'CAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A COUPLE THERE THAT ARE MARGINAL RIGHT NOW, AND WE MIGHT KEEP THEM, WE MIGHT NOT. 
          UM, WE DO NOT EXPECT TO SEE BETTER RATES IN THE FALL. 
          WE THINK IF WE DON'T DO THIS ISSUE, IT'LL BE AT LEAST A YEAR. 
          LAST CALL FOR QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NOW MY QUESTION IS, WE HAVE A MOTION SHEET. 
          ARE WE VOTING ON THIS MOTION SHEET TONIGHT? YES, MA'AM. 
          OKAY. 
          SO HEARING THE PRESENTATION, IS THERE A MOTION JUST, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, UM, WHAT WE ARE, 
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WHERE IS THE MOTION IT'S UNDER? OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO WE'RE NOT JUST, JUST, I, I UNDERSTAND THIS AND I WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYONE ELSE UNDERSTANDS THIS. 
          WE'RE NOT MO VOTING TO DO THIS TRANSACTION. 
          WE'RE VOTING TO, TO, UH, PROVIDE OUR CHAIR PERSON THE AUTHORITY TO PULL THE TRIGGER ON DOING A TRANSACTION IF THE BENEFIT FALLS WITHIN A BRACKET OF BENEFITS. 
          4%. 
          YES. 
          RIGHT? YEAH. 
          AND I WOULD JUST ADD FOR ANYBODY WHO'S WATCHING OR INTERESTED THAT THIS IS NOT TAKING ON ANY DEBT, IT'S BASICALLY REFINANCING DEBT TO A LOWER INTEREST RATE AND IT'S, IT'S, UH, A WIN-WIN FOR US. 
          AND IT'S NOT EXTENDING OUR INDEBTEDNESS, UH, FURTHER INTO TIME. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND THAT THE, THE TRANSACTIONAL FEES ARE ALREADY BURIED INTO THE, INTO THE, TO THE BENEFIT. 
          SO THE, SO OKAY, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD APPROVE THE WARREN COUNTY RESOLUTION AS PRESENTED. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND ROLL CALL. 
          MR. HENDERSON. 
          MRS. COOK? AYE. 
          DR. 
          JAMISON AYE. 
          MADAM CHAIR? AYE. 
          MR. BUTLER? AYE. 
          MR. SANDMEYER? AYE. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAVE ABOUT EIGHT MINUTES OR SO BEFORE SEVEN 30 WHEN OUR PUBLIC HEARING START. 
          UM, 
          [C. Reports – Board Members, County Administrator, County Attorney, VDOT Report ]
SO WE'LL GO AHEAD WITH THE BOARD REPORTS AND STARTING WITH MR. STAN MEYER. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          UM, I SHOULD, IT, IT SEEMED VERY BUSY SINCE OUR LAST MEETING AND, BUT IT'S MOSTLY BEEN BUDGET HEARINGS. 
          UM, SO I'VE BEEN EN EN ENJOYING THOSE. 
          UH, AND REALLY IT'S BEEN GOOD HOW, HOW, UH, MUCH DETAIL WE'RE GETTING FROM THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS AND, AND THE GOOD DISCUSSIONS WE'RE HAVING. 
          UM, UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK AHEAD OF US, UH, BUT, UH, UH, IT'S BEEN, UH, I THINK A GOOD PROCESS FOR EVERYBODY THUS FAR. 
          UM, LAST WEEK I ATTENDED A MEETING IN ROCKLAND, UM, AND, UH, I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE, BUT, UH, THAT IT'S MY DISTRICT. 
          I'LL JUST BRING IT UP FIRST. 
          UM, UH, REGARDING THE J-P-G-M-A, UH, SCHOOL THAT, UH, IS LOOKING AT, UH, THE PROPERTY ON THE GOLF COURSE OUT THERE, UM, IT WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING PUT ON BY THE SCHOOL, UH, WELL ATTENDED. 
          AND A VARIETY OF OPINIONS WERE, UM, WERE EXPRESSED THERE. 
          AND IT WAS, I, I THINK GOOD FOR ALL OF US TO HEAR THAT. 
          UM, AS THIS, UH, AS THIS UNFOLDS, UM, TOMORROW I'LL BE ATTENDING, UH, DISASTER PREPAREDNESS DRILL IN COAL PEPPER THAT, UH, IS FOR, UM, MULTIPLE COUNTIES IN VIRGINIA. 
          AND, UH, LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT AS WELL. 
          UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY FOR TODAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. BUTLER. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. 
          THE, UH, I TOO, UH, ATTENDED THE MEETING OVER AT ROCKLIN AND, UH, APPRECIATED THE FACT THAT THE, UH, THAT THOSE FOLKS WERE REACHING OUT TO THE, TO THE, THE COMMUNITY AND, AND, UH, I THINK THAT THAT'S THE, THE PROPER WAY FOR THEM TO, TO, UH, MOVE OUT ON THIS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE AIRPORT AND, UH, LAST, LAST NIGHT, UH, WENT TO THE, UH, PARKS AND REC, UH, UH, MY BIMONTHLY MEETING. 
          AND IT WAS, UH, VERY GOOD MEETING. 
          AND I SEE THAT THERE'S JUST A LOT THAT GOES ON WITH THIS WITHIN THIS COUNTY, AND IT'S, UH, MAINLY FOR THE, UH, FOR THE YOUNG FOLKS. 
          SO I APPRECIATE ALL THE THINGS THAT THE, UH, FOLKS AND REC DOES. 
          THANK YOU, DR. 
          JAMISON. 
          UH, OKAY. 
          UM, I'M ON THE JOINT BOARD AND, UH, THE JOINT SCHOOL BOARD BOARDS, OUR BUDGET COMMITTEE, ATTENDING THOSE MEETINGS, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE BUDGET NEEDS. 
          EVERYONE HOPEFULLY SAW THAT, THAT TONIGHT CONTINUING, UM, CONSTITUENTS HAVING SOME EMAIL CORRESPOND WITH CORRESPONDENCE WITH THE CONSTITUENTS, TRYING TO, UH, HAVE A LISTENING EAR, TRYING TO SEE WHERE I MIGHT BE HILLS. 
          UM, WE ATTENDED THE SECOND BOARD ADVANCE. 
          WE MET WITH ALL THE COUNTY, UH, DEPARTMENT HEADS AS A GROUP. 
          WE WERE ABLE TO GO OVER THE GOALS, THE BOARDS ESTABLISHED. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT A METHODOLOGY WE'RE PLANNING TO USE FOR TRACKING OUR GOALS, KEEPING TRACK OF, OF OUR PROGRESS, AND, UH, HOPEFULLY ACCOMPLISHING THOSE GOALS THIS YEAR. 
          AND YOU ALSO TEAM ATTENDING THAT EMERGENCY PLANNING FRAME TOMORROW. 
          UM, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. 
          THANK YOU MRS. COOK. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, UH, TO PIGGYBACK, MR. STAN MEYER, OUR BUDGET HEARING CONTINUES. 
          UM, OUR BUDGET PROCESS IS CONTINUING. 
          WE, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF OUR PLATE AND A LOT OF THINGS TO THINK ABOUT AND, UM, BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE A, A MAJOR, IN MY OPINION, UH, A MAJOR DECISION ON THE BOARD GOING FORWARD. 
          SO, UM, I HOPE EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, TAKES ADVANTAGE OF LISTENING TO OUR BUDGET HEARINGS AND 
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KNOWING AND TO UNDERSTAND OUR CHALLENGES AS WE GO FURTHER. 
          UM, I ATTENDED THE AIRPORT COMMISSION MEETING. 
          UM, UH, I KNOW, UH, THAT THEY'RE PUTTING A NEW MANAGEMENT MODEL TOGETHER AND, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE MOVING FORWARD TO IT, SO IT'S JUST GONNA BE A WATCH AND SEE TO SEE THE RESULTS AND HOW MUCH EFFICIENCY COMES OUT. 
          GOING FURTHER, FURTHER ON THAT, UM, TOMORROW WE'RE HAVING OUR FINANCE BUDGET COMMITTEE AT, UM, SIX O'CLOCK. 
          IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. 
          AND LASTLY, I TOO ATTENDED THE ROCKLAND MEET AND GREET, UH, FOR THE GP GMA. 
          IT WAS VERY INFORMATIVE AND IT WAS, UM, I AGREE WITH MR. BUTLER, YOU KNOW, GOING FORWARD TO HAVING PEOPLE REACHING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY OF THEIR, THEIR VISIONS OF GOING FORWARD ON THEIR PROPERTIES. 
          SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, FEBRUARY 29TH, UM, MS. MEADOWS AND I WENT UP TO THE FOUR H CENTER AND TALKED WITH, UM, KATIE TENET AND HER STAFF THERE. 
          TOOK A TOUR, UM, DID NOT KNOW ALL THE AMENITIES THAT WERE THERE. 
          UH, IT NEEDS SOME UPDATING, BUT IT'S, UM, DEFINITELY A JEWEL FOR THE COMMUNITY HERE THAT I DON'T THINK PEOPLE ARE AS AWARE OF AS MAYBE WE SHOULD BE. 
          AND I, I DON'T THINK IT'S UTILIZED AS WELL AS IT COULD BE. 
          SO LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING, UM, WHAT WE CAN WORK TOGETHER WITH THAT. 
          AND, UM, I JUST WANTED TO RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH, SO I WANTED TO RECOGNIZE ALL THE WOMEN IN OUR COUNTY THAT, UM, ARE DOING JOBS THAT 50 YEARS AGO MAYBE THEY WEREN'T ALLOWED TO DO. 
          LIKE OUR, UM, REVENUE, UH, COMMISSIONER, MS. SERS AND OUR TREASURER, MRS. SHANKS, OUR CLERK OF THE COURT, MRS. MOORE, WE HAVE A FEMALE SHERIFF, SHERIFF KLEIN AND, UM, A DELEGATE MRS. OATES THAT REPRESENTS US. 
          MRS. COOK IS, UM, ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, WINSOME SEARS IN THE LEGISLATIVE AREA. 
          AND, UM, ALL THE DEPUTIES AND POLICE OFFICERS THAT WE HAVE THAT ARE WOMEN IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND I JUST WANNA SALUTE THEM ALL FOR DOING THE JOBS AND OUR FIRE AND RESCUE AS WELL. 
          ON MARCH 4TH, I WENT DOWN WITH CHIEF, UM, BONNO AND ASSISTANT CHIEF MAD TO FIREMAN TREVOR BROWN'S FUNERAL IN LOWEN COUNTY. 
          UM, THEY DID AN AMAZING JOB OF ORGANIZING A HUGE EVENT. 
          THERE WERE FIREMEN THERE FROM DALLAS, TEXAS, FROM MASSACHUSETTS, AND, UH, JUST, I COULDN'T EVEN BEGIN. 
          THERE WERE THOUSANDS THERE. 
          UH, VERY SOLEMN, BUT VERY, UM, I, YOU, YOU WOULD JUST HAVE TO HAVE BEEN THERE TO, TO UNDERSTAND IT WAS, IT WAS VERY NICE. 
          UM, ATTENDED THE LIBRARY MEETING LAST NIGHT, AND THAT WAS A REALLY GOOD MEETING. 
          UM, I THINK ALL OF THEIR INFORMATION GETS, PUTS UP ON THE WEB WEBSITE, SO IF YOU WANNA SEE WHERE THEY ARE WITH FINANCE AND THAT KIND OF THING THAT I'M SURE THEY HAVE IT POSTED BY NOW. 
          ATTENDED THE BROWNTOWN COMMUNITY MEETING LAST NIGHT AS I TRY TO DO MONTHLY. 
          UM, STILL HAVING ISSUES BECAUSE THEY WANT BROADBAND. 
          I WANT BROADBAND THERE, BUT IT'S NOT COMING FAST ENOUGH. 
          AND I ALSO ATTENDED THE MEETING IN ROCKLAND, UH, AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY WELL PUT TOGETHER AND I WAS GLAD TO SEE THEY DID THAT. 
          AND I AGREE, I THINK WHEN WE'RE DOING, UM, CONDITIONAL USE AND, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE TO BE NEIGHBORLY ABOUT IT AND THEY CERTAINLY WERE. 
          AND LASTLY, I HAVE A PLAQUE HERE THAT I'D LIKE TO PRESENT. 
          IT IS, UM, A FEMA AWARD PLAQUE THAT SAYS WARREN COUNTY SUCCESSFULLY PARTICIPATES IN THE NATIONAL FLOOD INSURANCE PROGRAM COMMUNITY RATING SYSTEM, AND THE COMMUNITY HAS TAKEN AN UNDERTAKEN A SERIES OF MEANINGFUL ACTIVITIES TO PROTECT ITS CITIZENS FROM LOSSES CAUSED BY FLOODING AND HAS SIGNIFICANTLY EXCEEDED THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE NFIP PARTICIPATION AND EFFECTIVE FLOOD PLAIN MANAGEMENT. 
          AND THAT'S ALL DUE TO MATT WENDLING. 
          SO WE WANT YOU TO COME UP AND GET THIS, PLEASE. 
          AND LET'S SEE. 
          MOVING ON DR. 
          DALEY. 
          WELL, IT'S SEVEN 30, SO I GUESS WE WILL GET YOU AFTER. 
          SEE YOU ON THURSDAY, MA'AM. 
          , 
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MAYBE WE DO HAVE, UM, QUITE A FEW PUBLIC HEARINGS TONIGHT, AND I'D LIKE TO READ THE PUBLIC COMMENT CODE OF CONDUCT BEFORE WE GET STARTED. 
          ALL COMMENTS WILL BE DIRECTED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, NOT TO THE AUDIENCE. 
          BE CONSIDERATE OF YOUR FELLOW SPEAKERS. 
          THERE SHOULD BE NO APPLAUSE, BOOING OR OTHER AUDIBLE DISRUPTION TO THE PROCEEDINGS. 
          THROUGH A SHOW OF HANDS, THE CHAIRMAN MAY ASK FOR A SHOW OF SUPPORTS FOR COMMENTS MADE BY SPEAKERS, PLACARDS, POSTERS, AND OTHER MEANS OF VISUAL DISPLAY OF COMMENTS WILL NOT BE PERMITTED IN THE BOARD MEETING ROOM. 
          THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE INFORMATIONAL OR MATERIALS USED AS PART OF A FACTUAL PRESENTATION TO THE BOARD. 
          THE BOARD WILL NOT TOLERATE PERSONAL ATTACKS BY ANYONE OR ANY OF THE PARTICIPANTS IN THE PROCEEDING. 
          AND, UM, ANYONE WHO VIOLATES THAT WILL BE ASKED TO LEAVE. 
          SO FIRST ON OUR 
          [E. Public Hearing: CUP2024-01-05 - Plein Smith Ventures, LLC]
PUBLIC HEARINGS IS CUP 2024 DASH OH ONE DASH OH FIVE. 
          AND I'M PROBABLY GONNA SAY SOME NAMES WRONG, BUT IS IT PLAIN OR PLAIN? SMITH CLEAN SMITH. 
          SMITH PLAIN SMITH, YEAH. 
          KLEIN SMITH, EXCUSE ME. 
          VENTURES, LLCA REQUEST FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A CONTRACTOR STORAGE YARD. 
          THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT ZERO BALL DRIVE AND IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP FIVE C LOT SIX. 
          THE PROPERTY IS ZONED INDUSTRIAL AND LOCATED IN THE STEVENS INDUSTRIAL PARK AND THE NORTH RIVER MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT. 
          MR. WENDLING? YES. 
          THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. 
          UH, THE APPLICANT, UH, IS REQUESTING THIS ON BEHALF OF THE TOTAL DEVELOPMENT SOLUTIONS, LLCA SITE DEVELOPMENT COMPANY AND KT ENTERPRISES INC. 
          WHICH PROVIDES SERVICES FOR LANDSCAPING AND DEVELOPMENT, UH, THE APPLICATIONS FOR CONTRACTORS, STORAGE YARD. 
          UH, ALSO MUCH OF THE AREA WILL BE USED, UH, FOR HORTICULTURAL AND, UH, LANDSCAPING, UH, STORAGE. 
          UH, THAT IS A BUYRIGHT USE. 
          THE PRO PROPOSED USE INCLUDES STORAGE AREAS FOR VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT RELATED TO THIS BUSINESS. 
          UM, THERE WILL BE ALSO BUILDINGS, UH, TO BE USED FOR THEIR RESPECTIVE OFFICES AND SHOP FACILITIES. 
          PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY OWNED BY THE FRONT ROYAL WARREN COUNTY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY AND IS UNDER CONTRACT AND WITHIN A REVIEW PERIOD FOR THE LAND USE REQUEST. 
          NO, NO. 
          RETAIL OPERATIONS FOR LANDSCAPING HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED AS PART OF THIS USE, AND THE MATERIALS BEING STORED ARE FOR OFF SITE LANDSCAPING CONTRACTS. 
          UH, THOSE MATERIALS WILL BE DELIVERED HERE AND TEMPORARILY STORED DURING THE PLANTING SEASONS. 
          UM, THIS, UH, LAND USE IS COMPATIBLE WITH, UH, INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT, UH, AND IS, UM, THE LANDSCAPING HORTICULTURAL MATERIALS AND EQUIPMENT AS, AS I MENTIONED, LISTED AS A BUY RIGHT USE. 
          UM, YOU'LL NOTE BEHIND ME THAT, UH, THERE IS A, UH, GENERAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT, UH, THE APPLICANT WILL BE, UH, FOLLOWING IN MEASURE. 
          UH, HE DOES HAVE A, UH, HISTORY OF SUCCESSFUL, UH, BUSINESSES. 
          I THINK HE HAS ONE IN BRISTOW, VIRGINIA. 
          AND, UM, THAT WAS DISCUSSED DURING THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. 
          UM, THERE ARE NO SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS FOR CONTRACTOR STORAGE YARDS. 
          UM, IT IS IDENTIFIED AS A LISTED USE IN 180 28 D 10 YARD FOR STORAGE OF COAL LUMBER BUILDING MATERIALS OR CONTRACTORS EQUIPMENT. 
          UH, PLANNING COMMISSION MOVED THE, UH, APPLICATION FORWARD, RECOMMENDING THEIR APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. 
          NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS, WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, AND VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY APPLICABLE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS. 
          NUMBER TWO, A SITE PLAN SHALL BE PREPARED AND APPROVED BY THE WARREN COUNTY PLANNING DEPARTMENT PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE BUILDING PERMIT SHOWING THE BUILDING'S, INGRESS, EGRESS PARKING AREAS, OUTDOOR LIGHTING, LANDSCAPING SCREENING, STORAGE AREAS, TRASH RECEPTACLE SIGNAGE, AND OTHER APPLICABLE ZONING REQUIREMENTS. 
          NUMBER THREE, ALL MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT SHALL BE SHIELDED AND SCREENED FROM PUBLIC VIEW AND DESIGNED TO BE PERCEIVED AS AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE BUILDING. 
          NUMBER FOUR, ALL LIGHT FIXTURES SHALL BE FULLY SHIELDED WITH DARK SKY COMPLIANT FIXTURES AND COMPLY WITH THE WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION 180 49 0.2 FOR LIGHTING. 
          NUMBER FIVE, THE SITE PLAN SHALL COMPLY WITH SECTION 180 49 0.1 OF WARREN COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE REGARDING LANDSCAPING. 
          AND NUMBER SIX, OUTDOOR STORAGE AREAS SHALL BE COMPLETELY SCREENED FROM VIEW OF BALL DRIVE WITH FENCING APPROVED BY COUNTY STAFF. 
          SUCH FENCING SHALL MEET A MINIMUM OF SIX FEET IN HEIGHT AND MAY CONSIST OF CHAIN LINK WITH OPAQUE FABRIC COVERING SLATS AND SIMILAR ELEMENTS TO ACHIEVE VISUAL SCREENING OUTDOOR STORAGE AREAS. 
          SO SHALL ALSO COMPLY WITH THE APPLICABLE 
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SCREENING AND BUFFERING REQUIREMENTS OF 180 18 OF WARREN COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE. 
          UM, THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED, ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER IS NOTIFIED. 
          I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          AND MR. SCOTT KLEIN IS HERE TONIGHT. 
          IF YOU'D LIKE TO ASK A PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN. 
          WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? I AGREE. 
          UM, I JUST WANT TO THE, UH, COUNTY TO KNOW THAT WE WERE VERY PROUD TO MOVE OUR, UH, MAIN FACILITIES, UH, FROM BRISTOW, VIRGINIA, UH, TO WARREN COUNTY. 
          UH, IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE WORKING WITH MR. WENDLING, UH, ON THIS PROJECT SO FAR. 
          WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH HIM ALSO AS WE GO THROUGH THE SITE PLAN PROCESS AND, UH, MAKING SURE WE ADHERE TO ALL THOSE, UH, ELEMENTS. 
          HE JUST, UH, TALKED ABOUT IS WHAT OUR PROJECT'S GONNA BE. 
          UH, WE BUILD, UH, WE'RE QUALITY LANDSCAPE CONSTRUCTION COMPANY FIRST, AND, UH, OUR SITE DEVELOPMENT COMPANY CAME IN AFTER THAT. 
          UH, WE'RE VERY PROUD OF OUR PROJECTS. 
          WE MIGHT HAVE A PICTURE. 
          DO WE HAVE THE, I JUST HAVE THIS ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          SORRY. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          UH, MY FRIENDS FROM GREENWAY COULD NOT BE HERE TONIGHT, SO THEY HAD THE PRESENTATION. 
          I THOUGHT WE'D HAVE THAT, BUT WE, UH, HAVE A VERY HIGH QUALITY FACILITY OUT IN, IN BRISTOW, VIRGINIA, NEAR GAINESVILLE, UH, WHICH WE'RE MOVING FROM. 
          UH, BUT I THINK THAT WE WILL SET QUITE THE EXAMPLE FOR AN INDUSTRIAL PROJECT, AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE, WE TAKE A LOT OF PRIDE IN WHAT OUR PROJECTS LOOK LIKE. 
          AND, UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ASK THEM. 
          I'M, EXCUSE ME, ANSWER 'EM. 
          , ANY QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS POINT? YEAH, MADAM CHAIR, I WAS JUST KIND OF CURIOUS AS TO WHAT WAS THE, WHAT WAS THE DRIVER THAT, UH, MADE Y'ALL DECIDE TO MOVE OUT HERE VERSUS BRISTOW? WELL, THERE'S THIS INDUSTRY CALLED DATA CENTERS AND . 
          UM, WE WERE KIND OF STUCK IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT ALL FOR GOOD. 
          UH, BUT THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENCES IN, UH, LAND PRICES, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. 
          UH, NOW THAT WHAT'S HAPPENED IN PRINCE WILLIAM AND LOUDOUN COUNTY HAS MADE IT VERY DIFFICULT, QUITE FRANKLY, FOR, UM, TO DO BUSINESS ON INDUSTRIAL SITES. 
          AND ALSO, QUITE FRANKLY, WE ALSO SEE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY OUT HERE IN WARREN COUNTY, UM, YOU KNOW, AND ALSO IN FREDERICK COUNTY AS WELL. 
          SO THIS LOCATION, UH, BODES WELL FOR OUR GROWTH OUT HERE. 
          SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ADEQUATELY ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. 
          QUESTION. 
          IT CERTAINLY DOES. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, I GUESS I READ, READ BETWEEN THE LINES AND SAY, AND, AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT WARREN COUNTY IS A GREAT PLACE TO MOVE TO. 
          OH, THERE'S NO DOUBT. 
          AND I LOVE THE SHENANDOAH. 
          SO, , ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, SIR. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          I HOPE YOU'RE ABLE TO PASS THIS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. HENDERSON, HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR THIS? NO, MA'AM. 
          WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION AT THIS TIME? SECOND CALL. 
          WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK? THIRD AND FINAL PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. 
          ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS OF THIS POINT FOR THE BOARD? IS THERE A MOTION? MADAM CHAIR? I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST OF PINE SMITH VENTURES, LLC FOR A CONTRACTOR STORAGE YARD WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          ROLL CALL MR. HENDERSON. 
          MR. STAN MEYER. 
          AYE. 
          MR. BUTLER? AYE. 
          MADAM CHAIR? AYE. 
          DR. 
          JAMISON? AYE. 
          MRS. COOK AYE. 
          APPLICATION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          [F. Public Hearing: Z2023-08-02 - Short-Term Tourist Rentals - Warren County Planning Staff]
SECOND PUBLIC HEARING IS PUBLIC HEARING, 20 Z 2023 DASH EIGHT DASH ZERO TWO. 
          SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL, WARREN COUNTY PLANNING STAFF A REQUEST TO AMEND CHAPTER 180 OF THE WARREN COUNTY CODE TO AMEND 180 DASH 56.4 TO MODIFY THE SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTALS. 
          MR. LEN? THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. 
          ATTACHED YOU'LL FIND A DRAFT ORDINANCE TO MAN WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION 180 DASH 56.4 TO ADD NEW SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTALS AND TO MODIFY THE LANGUAGE OF EXISTING SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS. 
          PLANNING STAFF BEGAN WORKING ON THIS TEXT AMENDMENT IN EARLY 2023 WHEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND BOARD OF SUPERVISORS INDICATED THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN SUBMITTED PRIOR TO THE PUBLIC HEARING PHASE OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PROCESS AND FOR THE TERM LOCAL AND LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGER TO BE GIVEN MORE CONTEXT AFTER SEVERAL WORK SESSIONS DISCUSSING POTENTIAL CHANGES TO THE 100 FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT FROM NEIGHBORING DWELLINGS. 
          PLANNING STAFF HAS REDUCED THE SCOPE OF THE AMENDMENT TO ONLY INCLUDE UPDATED PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN REQUIREMENTS AND CHANGES FOR CLARITY AND ORGANIZATION. 
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ALSO INCLUDED IN THE DRAFT ORDINANCE ARE RESTRICTIONS ON TRANSIENT GUESTS FROM DISCHARGING FIREARMS HUNTING, USING ATVS, UH, OUTDOOR BURNING AND USING FIREWORKS. 
          THESE PROHIBITIVE ACTIVITIES HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED AS ISSUES IN THE PAST AND ARE CURRENTLY INCLUDED AS STANDARD CONDITIONS FOR ALL CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS FOR SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTALS. 
          UH, THERE IS NO CHANGE TO THE 100 FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT FROM NEIGHBORING DWELLINGS, UM, BEING PROPOSED AT THIS TIME. 
          THE SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL USE WAS ORIGINALLY ADDED WITH SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS TO THE WARREN COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE ON APRIL 17TH, 2012, AS A USE PERMITTED BY WRIGHT FOR PROPERTIES OVER FIVE ACRES IN SIZE IN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT, AND AS A USE PERMITTED BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN THE RESIDENTIAL ONE ZONING DISTRICT AND FOR PROPERTIES UNDER FIVE ACRES IN SIZE IN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT. 
          ZONING ORDINANCE WAS AMENDED ON NOVEMBER 18TH, 2014 TO AMEND AN ADD TO THE SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS FOR SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTALS AND TO MODIFY THE LISTED USES IN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT TO MAKE ALL SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTALS PERMITTED BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. 
          AND, UH, LATER ON IN 2017, THE BOARD APPROVED AN AMENDMENT TO ADD SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL AS A USE PERMITTED BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN THE RURAL RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT. 
          HOWEVER, THE SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS FOR SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTALS HAVE NOT BEEN UPDATED SINCE THE 2014 TEXT AMENDMENT. 
          UM, SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS TEXT AMENDMENT ON WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 14TH OF THIS YEAR. 
          UM, ONE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS, MR. GORDON, DID OBJECT TO THE LANGUAGE OR OTHER RELIABLE MEANS OF TELECOMMUNICATION PROPOSED TO BE ADDED TO SUBSECTION J AND THOUGHT IT WAS, UH, VAGUE WITH NO EXPLANATION OR DEFINITION FOR THE TERM RELIABLE AND THE CONTEXT OF THE ORDINANCE. 
          AND AFTER DISCUSSION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL, THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED SUB SECTION J BE AMENDED WITH THE FOLLOWING LANGUAGE. 
          THE SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL SHALL HAVE A LANDLINE WITH LOCAL PHONE SERVICE IF SUCH SERVICE IS REASONABLY AVAILABLE. 
          IF LANDLINE SERVICE IS NOT REASONABLY AVAILABLE, THE SHORT-TERM TOUR RENTAL SHALL HAVE SOME OTHER FORM OF TELECOMMUNICATION THAT IS ABLE TO PLACE AND RECEIVE TELEPHONE CALLS AND WHICH IS CAPABLE OF PROVIDING ENHANCED 9 1 1 E NINE NINE E NINE ONE ONE SERVICE. 
          UH, AND THE PHONE NUMBER SERVICING THE SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL SHALL BE INCLUDED IN THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN. 
          UH, WITH THAT CHANGE, THIS TEXT AMENDMENT WAS FORWARDED TO THE BOARD, UH, WITH THE UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL. 
          I'LL ALSO NOTE THAT WE HAVE MET, UH, SEVERAL TIMES WITH THE WARREN COUNTY COALITION OF COMMUNITY ASSOCIATIONS, UM, TO GO OVER SOME OF OUR ANNUAL REVIEW PROCEDURES AND DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THEY HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR. 
          WE HAVE SINCE, UH, GOTTEN A MAP OF ALL THE SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTALS IN THE COUNTY, WHETHER THEY'RE GRANDFATHERED ONES FROM HOT TUB HEAVEN OR IF, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND THOSE HAVE THE PRIMARY CONTACT FOR THE PROPERTY MANAGER ON ALL THOSE. 
          SO THAT WOULD HELP WITH, UH, PROCESSING OF, OF, UH, COMPLAINTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          UH, SO WE ARE ACTIVELY, UH, DISCUSSING, UH, HOW WE CAN IMPROVE OUR ANNUAL REVIEW PROCESS WITH THIS GROUP, UH, AND KEEPING THEM IN THE LOOP FOR ALL STEPS IN THIS TEXT AMENDMENT AND ANYTHING MOVING FORWARD. 
          OTHER THAN THAT, THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED AND I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. 
          PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN. 
          QUESTIONS FOR MR. LENS? YOU MENTIONED HOT TUB HEAVEN. 
          YEAH, SO HOT TUB HEAVEN IS A COLLECTION OF, UM, CABINS THAT ARE, UH, RENTED UP ON BLUE MOUNTAIN, I BELIEVE PRIMARILY, UH, THEY'RE WHAT BROUGHT THIS USE TO THE COUNTY. 
          UM, THERE WERE SOME ISSUES, I BELIEVE WITH, UH, SOME OF THE THOSE AND WE FOUND THAT IT NEEDED TO BE MORE CLOSELY REGULATED. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          UH, YES, I HAVE A FEW. 
          SO THE AMENDMENT THAT'S BEING PRESENTED RIGHT NOW, THE ONLY THING WE'RE DOING DIFFERENT IS THAT WE'RE, ARE THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE IN THE CUP, YOU KNOW, WITH, YOU KNOW, NO SHOOTING, NO FIRE, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF THAT'S BEEN IN THE CUP. 
          IT'S GOING TO THE, THE, UM, THE CODE, RIGHT? YES. 
          THAT IS ONE PART OF IT. 
          SO THAT'S ONE PART OF IT, WHICH WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT FOR YEARS ANYWAY, SO THAT'S A NON-ISSUE. 
          SO, UM, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, YOU KNOW, WITH THE BOARD, I MEAN THIS ALL CAME ABOUT BECAUSE WE HAD CITIZENS COMING AND ASKING US TO, TO KIND OF RELIEVE THIS VARIANCE OF THE SETBACK. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? I WOULD SAY IT WAS MORE SO, UH, CENTERED AROUND THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN ORIGINALLY. 
          UM, TO DATE UNDER THE CURRENT ORDINANCE, IT IS TREATED AS A POST-APPROVAL ITEM. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO THEY DON'T EVEN NEED TO HAVE A PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN UNTIL AFTER THEY'RE APPROVED. 
          UM, BY, BY YOU ALL. 
          UM, WE HAVE SINCE ADJUSTED OUR PROCEDURES AND, AND GET IT UP FRONT NOW, UM, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CODE IS UPDATED TO REFLECT THAT PROCEDURE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , SO IT'S THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT'S, UM, UH, OPINION IF YOU WILL, OF NOT LOOKING AT INGESTING THE OBJECTIVE DECISION ON A VARIANCE 
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OF THE BOARD PROVIDING A VARIANCE ON A GIVEN CUP. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I BELIEVE YOU'RE SPECIFICALLY REFERRING TO THE 100 FOOT SETBACK REGULATION FROM NEIGHBORING DWELLINGS AND, AND THE BOARD'S ABILITY TO WAIVE THAT REQUIREMENT AS A SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATION. 
          UM, IT'S PLANNING STAFF'S OPINION THAT THE, UH, RECOMMEND, OR I SHOULD SAY THE TWO OPTIONS WE HAD BROUGHT FORTH F FIRST WOULD BE THE OPTIONS FOR MAKING THE MOST CONSISTENT DECISION MAKING. 
          AND, UH, BOTH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND BOARD WERE A LITTLE HESITANT TO TAKE EITHER OF THOSE OPTIONS. 
          OPTION A BEING THAT YOU MAKE IT AN ABSOLUTE REQUIREMENT THAT CANNOT BE WAIVED. 
          AND OPTION B BEING TO REMOVE THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT ALTOGETHER. 
          WELL, THIS POA ASSOCIATION HAS PROVIDED RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH I, I, UM, RIGHT NOW THAT I FAVOR THAT MAYBE WE COULD TAKE A LOOK INTO IT WHERE THEY WERE. 
          UM, AND OF COURSE THIS POA ASSOCIATION IS, UM, IS, IS SOME, IS IS A NEW GROUP, RIGHT? OF ALL THE POAS IN WARREN COUNTY, IS THAT CORRECT? UH, I CAN'T SPEAK IF IT, IT INCLUDES ALL THE HOAS AND POAS. 
          I KNOW THERE ARE THESE, SO, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT I THINK SEVEN OR EIGHT, AT LEAST SEVEN OR EIGHT. 
          IS IT SEVEN OR EIGHT? OH, OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO, SO ABOUT SEVEN OR EIGHT, UM, SUBDIVISIONS HAVE COME TOGETHER AND CREATED THIS GROUP THAT KIND OF WORKED WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, RIGHT? OR THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND HOW WE CAN RESOLVE SOME OF THESE CITIZENS, THE PROPERTY OWNERS WHO ARE LIVING NEXT DOOR TO THESE SHORT TERM RENTALS. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY PROPOSED TO, FOR US TO CONSIDER WAS TO, UM, HAVE NO VARIANCE LESS THAN 60 FEET. 
          SO COULD WE KEEP THE A HUNDRED FOOT IN THERE, I GUESS, AND THAT THE MEN WOULD BE NO LESS THAN 60 FEET. 
          SO IT, WHAT'S YOUR OPINION ON THAT? I MEAN, IT, I'D SAY THAT THERE ARE, ARE A FEW OPINIONS YOU COULD HAVE ON THAT. 
          MY INITIAL INSTINCT WOULD BE THAT YOU SIMPLY CHANGE THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT FROM 100 FEET TO 60 FEET. 
          UH, IF IT'S GONNA BE LIKE THAT MM-HMM. 
          , UH, AND THEN YOU CAN USE YOUR OWN DISCRETION AND NOT, UH, GRANTING WAIVERS TO THAT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, OTHERWISE I WOULD SAY THAT THERE ARE AREAS IN THE COUNTY THAT MIGHT NOT MEET THAT REQUIREMENT WHERE A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL MIGHT BE THE BEST USE OF A PROPERTY SUCH AS A, A, A HOUSE THAT'S IN THE FLOODWAY, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, THAT COULDN'T BE REBUILT IF IT WAS SUBSTANTIALLY DAMAGED, 45% OF THE MARKET VALUE OF THE HOUSE DAMAGE. 
          UM, IN THOSE CASES, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'D RATHER NOT SEE A, A, A FAMILY BE HOMELESS AS A RESULT OF IT. 
          UM, AND THE USE OF THOSE PROPERTIES AS, UH, YOU KNOW, SHORT-TERM RENTALS SEEMS APPROPRIATE AND IT'S WHERE WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS APPROVED IN THE PAST WITH THE WAIVERS TO THE SETBACK. 
          WELL, UM, I, I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THAT, BUT THEY'RE STILL THE, THE NEIGHBORS. 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN, WITH, I KNOW I'M SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, YOU KNOW, I I AND I HAVE SHARED THIS WITH EVERYBODY, THAT THE, THE, THE, UM, BOARD HAS THE, THE, THE RIGHT FOR THE VARIANCE. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND WHAT, WHAT'S HOL IS WHAT'S, UM, MAKING ME UNCOMFORTABLE IS THAT THE DECISION IS BEING BASED SUBJECTIVELY, THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT THAT MAKES IT FAIR FOR BOTH SIDES. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND, UM, AND THAT'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS WITH, UM, TO LOOK AT THE SETBACK. 
          SO RIGHT NOW, THE WAY THE ORDIN ORDINANCE IS, IS WRITTEN IS AS FAR AS THE SETBACK GOES, AND NOTHING'S GONNA CHANGE. 
          IT'S, IT'S BUSINESS'S NORM AND THAT WHEN A A, UM, A SHORT TERM RENTAL COMES, WE'RE JUST GONNA BE BASED ON HOW MANY PEOPLE COME TO SPEAK OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER. 
          I MEAN, SOMETIMES BOARD MEMBERS DON'T EVEN GIVE A REASON WHY VOTE YES OR NO. 
          UM, SO THAT'S WHERE I'M, I'M KIND OF STUCK A LITTLE BIT ON THIS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I WANNA RESPECT BOTH SIDES, YOU KNOW, BUT TO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA GET INTO MORE WITH, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF SUBJECTIVE DECISION, YOU KNOW, ON THIS. 
          I JUST THOUGHT MAYBE, YOU KNOW, IF WE COULD SOMEHOW CONCRETE, NOW I AGREE WITH YOU WITH THE, UM, SIX, UH, TO 60 FOOT RATHER HAVING MEN MAX, LET'S JUST PUT IT DOWN TO 60 FEET. 
          NOW, I'VE BEEN TOLD FOR ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF THAT A HUNDRED FOOT HAS JUST BEEN SOMETHING THAT SOMEONE PUT OUT THERE. 
          THERE WAS NO, YOU KNOW, UH, REGULATION OR POLICY OR ANYTHING WHEN THE A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK CAME ABOUT. 
          AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT'S JUST WHAT I, I'VE HEARD, YOU KNOW, SO, UM, I, YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW THIS IS GONNA BE A VOTE, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST ONE VOTE, BUT I'M PUTTING MY OPINION OUT ON, ON THIS NOW. 
          UM, ANOTHER THING THAT I THOUGHT WAS, UM, FAVORABLE IS THE RESIDENT RESIDENCY PERIOD FOR LESS THAN THREE YEARS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, 
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UH, BEFORE THE APPLICATION. 
          NOW THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST, YOU KNOW, TWO OR THREE MONTHS, THERE'S BEEN A HANDFUL OF ST YOU KNOW, UH, SHORT TERM RENTALS COMING UP WHERE THE PEOPLE HAD ONLY OWNED THE PROPERTY FOR TWO MONTHS. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THEN SO THEY GO BUY THIS PROPERTY AND THEN TWO MONTHS LATER GO, I'M GONNA HAVE A SHORT TERM RENTAL. 
          WELL, TO ME, YOU KNOW, AND OF COURSE, AND THEY COME AND THEY SAY, WELL, I LOVE THE COUNTY. 
          AND OH, AND I DON'T DOUBT THAT AT ALL. 
          'CAUSE THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL COUNTY, OKAY, THIS IS A TOURIST ATTRACTION. 
          BUT THEN AGAIN, I GO BACK TO THE PEOPLE WHO'VE, WHO ARE LIVING THERE. 
          SO A PART OF ME KIND OF SIT, I SIT THERE AND I KINDA GO, WELL, ARE YOU CIRCUMVENTING THE SYSTEM OR NOT? YOU KNOW, ARE YOU GOING SAYING, YEAH, I'M GONNA BUY THIS HOUSE, I'M GONNA LIVE IN IT. 
          AND THEN ONCE YOU BUY THE HOUSE, YOU TURN AROUND AND YOU SAY, OH, IT'S A SHORT TERM. 
          UH, UH, UH, IT'S A SHORT TERM TERRA RENTAL. 
          NOW, I DON'T WANT TO IN IMPEDE ON THEIR, THEIR RIGHT TO DO THAT, YOU KNOW, BUT I, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UM, IT'S A DIFFICULT THING TO, YOU KNOW, WRAP MY ARMS AROUND, YOU KNOW, SO I, I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSIONS WITH THAT WHERE IT'S A QUESTIONABLE, YOU KNOW, LEGAL ASPECT TO IT BECAUSE OF FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW? BUT, YOU KNOW, I I I'M JUST SAYING THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK THAT WE SH WE SHOULD CONSIDER AS WELL, YOU KNOW, UM, SO I, THOSE ARE MAINLY THE TWO THINGS, UM, THAT I THINK IS FAVORABLE IN TRYING TO BE MORE OBJECTIVE OF, OF DECIDING IF WE NEED TO DO A VARIANCE AT, UH, ON THE SETBACK OR, OR, OR THE APPLICATION. 
          THAT'S FAIR FOR BOTH SIDES. 
          AND, UM, SO I, I, AGAIN, I KNOW WHY WE'RE HERE AND I LOOK AT THE, UM, THE ORDINANCE, UH, AMENDMENT THAT'S BEING PRESENTED, AND NONE OF THESE THINGS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED IN IT WHEN WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT OVER AND OVER AND OVER, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T WANNA KEEP TALKING ABOUT THIS OVER AND OVER AND OVER, BUT I JUST HAD TO PUT MY, MY 2 CENTS OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE JUST NEED TO, YOU KNOW, IN MY OPINION, I, I, I NEED TO FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT I'M NOT VIOLATING ANYBODY'S PROPERTY RIGHTS IN GOING FORWARD WITH THIS. 
          BUT THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. 
          ANYONE ELSE? I JUST, I WANTED TO, TO, IS, IS IT THE CASE THAT NONE OF THE INPUTS HAVE BEEN MADE TO THE, TO THE ORDINANCE AND THIS, THERE'S CHANGES TO THE ORDINANCE, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          THE, THE ORDINANCE, UH, THE DRAFT ORDINANCE DOES MAKE CHANGES TO THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN REQUIREMENTS, AND IT CLEANS UP SOME CONFUSING LANGUAGE AND IT ADDS IN THOSE, UH, STANDARD CONDITIONS WE'VE BEEN PLACING ON ALL OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS. 
          UH, SO IT DOES HAVE CHANGES, IT JUST DOESN'T MODIFY THE EXISTING SETBACK REQUIREMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND JUST TO, TO PICK UP ON THAT, THAT THOUGHT, UM, IF IT, IT'S, IT'S STAYING AT A HUNDRED BECAUSE THAT'S THOUGHT TO BE CONSERVATIVE AND THAT, AND THAT MISSING IN FLYING IN, THEY NEED A PLACE TO STAY. 
          I WOULD, IT'S WALKING DISTANCE FROM THE AIRPORT, SO IT WOULD BE REALLY NICE TO PARTNER WITH THEM AND KEEP IT, YOU KNOW, KEEP IT VERY LOW KEY BECAUSE LIKE I JUST, I'D LIKE TO HAVE IT FOR FAMILY AND FRIENDS, PARTICULARLY GRANDPARENTS COMING UP TO VISIT. 
          UM, I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT SPACE. 
          SO, BUT I WOULDN'T MIND HAVING THE OTHER OPPORTUNITY OF, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY RENTING IT OUT THROUGH AIRBNB AS WELL AS ONE OF MANY OPTIONS. 
          BUT MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO USE LIKE A FURNISHED FINDER PLATFORM. 
          MM-HMM. 
           AND FIND SOMEONE WHO'S COMES FOR LIKE A MONTH AT A TIME OR, OR WHATEVER. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M JUST WANTED THIS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T TURN OUT TO BE LIKE A HOTEL KIND OF OH, NO, NO, NO. 
          MODEL. 
          SO, NO, THAT'S ALL I, THAT'S THE REASON OF MY QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. HENDERSON, HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? UH, NO MA'AM. 
          WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SECOND CALL. 
          ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK? THIRD AND FINAL PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION? I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST OF VESTED PROPERTY MANAGEMENT 40 ACRE WOOD LLC FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND, SECOND. 
          ROLL CALL MR. HENDERSON. 
          MR. STAN MEYER. 
          AYE. 
          MR. VALOR? AYE. 
          MADAM CHAIR? AYE. 
          DR. 
          JAMISON? AYE. 
          MRS. COOK? AYE. 
          OKAY. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          PUBLIC 
          [H. Public Hearing: CUP2024-01-02 - Gregory & Margo Steadman]
HEARING CUP 2024 DASH OH ONE DASH OH TWO. 
          GREGORY AND MARGO STEADMAN A REQUEST FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A GUEST HOUSE. 
          THE PROPERTY'S LOCATED AT ZERO KNOCK LANE AND IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 10 P SECTION FOUR LOT 20. 
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THE PROPERTY IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL AND LOCATED IN THE REFA ESTATES AT LAKE JOHN SUBDIVISION AND IN THE NORTH RIVER MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT. 
          MR. LIN. 
          THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. 
          THE APPLICANTS ARE REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A GUEST HOUSE TO ALLOW THEM TO PURSUE A TWO STAGE CONSTRUCTION PLAN FOR CONSTRUCTION PLAN FOR THEIR PROPERTY. 
          THE FIRST STAGE WOULD BE THE CONSTRUCTION OF A 1600 SQUARE FOOT DWELLING AND BOAT SLASH RECREATIONAL EQUIPMENT STORAGE BUILDING. 
          FOR THE SECOND PHASE, THE OWNERS WOULD RESIDE IN THIS DWELLING UNIT WHILE FINANCING FOR AND CONSTRUCTING A LARGER DWELLING TO BE USED AS THEIR PRIMARY RESIDENCE. 
          UPON COMPLETION OF THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE, THE SMALLER DWELLING WILL BE CONVERTED INTO A GUEST HOUSE FOR TEMPORARY LODGING FOR FAMILY AND FRIENDS ON A NON-COMMERCIAL BASIS. 
          THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE, UH, GAIA ESTATES AT LAKE JOHN SUBDIVISION. 
          I BELIEVE THERE ARE AT LEAST TWO OR THREE OTHER, UH, CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS FOR GUEST HOUSES, UM, WITHIN THAT SUBDIVISION. 
          AND AS A FUN FACT, THIS IS KIND OF AN ODD SHAPE PARCEL THAT INCLUDES THE MAJORITY OF, UH, THE LAKE BED FOR LAKE JOHN. 
          SO THE PROPERTY IS LAKE JOHN  AND IT, UH, THE REAR PORTION OF THE PROPERTY IS IDENTIFIED ON, UH, THE FLOOD MAPS AS A SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA, BUT THE GUEST HOUSE AND PRIMARY RESIDENCE WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED OUTSIDE OF THE SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA. 
          UH, THERE ARE NO SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS FOR GUEST HOUSES IN THE WARREN COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE. 
          UH, JUST THE DEFINITION, UH, IT IS DEFINED AS DWELLING OR LODGING UNITS FOR TEMPORARY NON-PAYING GUESTS. 
          NO SUCH QUARTERS SHALL BE RENTED, LEASED, OR OTHERWISE MADE AVAILABLE FOR COMPENSATION OF ANY KIND. 
          A GUEST HOUSE MAY BE CONSTRUCTED AND USED PRIOR TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PRINCIPAL DWELLING. 
          THE PRINCIPAL DWELLING, HOWEVER, MUST BE COMPLETED WITHIN FIVE YEARS FROM THE DATE OF ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR THE GUEST HOUSE. 
          SO, AGAIN, NO SUPPLEMENT OR REGULATIONS, BUT A LOT OF REGULATION IN THE DEFINITION. 
          UM, AND THE APPLICANT'S PLAN TO CONSTRUCT THEIR PRIMARY RESIDENCE WITHIN THREE YEARS OF COMPLETION OF THE GUEST HOUSE AND THE OWNERS WOULD WORK WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT TO OBTAIN THE NECESSARY PERMITS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION AND OPERATION OF A PRIVATE WELL AND ONSITE SEWAGE DISPOSAL SYSTEM. 
          UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF ARE RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. 
          CONDITION NUMBER ONE, THE GUEST HOUSE MAY BE USED FOR FULL-TIME OCCUPANCY UNTIL THE SECOND DWELLING HAS BEEN ISSUED A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. 
          NUMBER TWO, THE GUEST HOUSE SHALL ONLY BE USED FOR PART-TIME OCCUPANCY UP TO SIX MONTHS PER YEAR AFTER THE SECOND DWELLING HAS BEEN ISSUED A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. 
          NUMBER THREE. 
          THE GUEST HOUSE SHALL NOT BE RENTED, LEASED, OR OTHERWISE MADE AVAILABLE FOR COMPENSATION OF ANY KIND. 
          USE OF THE GUEST HOUSE AS A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL SHALL BE PROHIBITED. 
          NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS. 
          NUMBER FIVE. 
          THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE A CONDITION PLACED ON THE DEED AT THE TIME OF TRANSFER OF THE PROPERTY TO A NEW OWNER THAT THE RENTAL OR LEASING OF THE GUEST HOUSE FOR COMPENSATION OF ANY KIND IS PROHIBITED AND THAT THE GUEST HOUSE IS LIMITED TO PART-TIME OCCUPANCY UP TO SIX MONTHS PER YEAR AFTER THE SECOND DWELLING UNIT HAS BEEN ISSUED A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. 
          NUMBER SIX. 
          ANY CONSTRUCTION OR DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE FLOOD PLAIN OVERLAY DISTRICT SHALL COMPLY WITH THE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS SET FORTH UNDER WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION 180 DASH 16 PLAN OVERLAY DISTRICT AND BREAK INUNDATION ZONES. 
          UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID MOVE THIS FORWARD WITH A UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL. 
          UM, THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED. 
          ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER IS NOTIFIED AND I'M ACTUALLY NOT SURE IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING. 
          YES, THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN. 
          WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? YOU DON'T HAVE TO IF YOU DON'T WANT TO, BUT, UM, DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME? MR. HENDERSON? HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? NO, MA'AM. 
          WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SECOND CALL. 
          ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK? THIRD AND FINAL PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. 
          ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION? I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO REQUEST REQUEST OF GREGORY AND MARGO STEADMAN FOR A GUEST HOUSE WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT IS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND WILL CALL MR. HENDERSON MRS. COOK. 
          AYE. 
          DR. 
          JAMESON AYE. 
          MADAM CHAIR? AYE. 
          MR. BUTLER? AYE. 
          MR. SANDMEYER AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES 
          [I. Public Hearing: CUP2024-01-03 - Kenny & Sylvia Day]
PUBLIC 
          [G. Public Hearing: CUP2024-01-01 - Vesta Property Management (40 Acre Wood, LLC)]
HEARING, CUP 2024 DASH OH ONE DASH OH THREE KENNY AND SYLVIA DAY, A REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL. 
          THE PROPERTY'S LOCATED AT 6 28 HARMONY ORCHARD ROAD AND IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 38 C SECTION ONE LOT THREE. 
          THE PROPERTY IS ZONE AGRICULTURAL AND LOCATED IN THE HARMONY HOLLOW ASSOCIATION INCORPORATED SUBDIVISION IN THE SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT. 
          MR. LINZ. 
          THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. 
          THE APPLICANTS ARE REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE 
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PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY THEY PURCHASED IN JULY OF 2023. 
          THE OWNERS WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THEIR PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR SHORT-TERM LODGING AS A FRIENDLY HOME BASE FOR VISITORS OF THE WARREN OF WARREN COUNTY, SEEKING TO EXPLORE EVERYTHING THE COUNTY HAS TO OFFER WHEN THEY'RE NOT USING THE PROPERTY AS AN ESCAPE FROM THEIR HECTIC LIVES IN WASHINGTON. 
          DC THE APPLICANTS WILL MANAGE THE PROPERTY PERSONALLY WITH ASSISTANCE FROM A LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGER WHO'S INCLUDED IN THEIR PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN. 
          UH, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE HARMONY HOLLOW ASSOCIATION INCORPORATED SUBDIVISION. 
          UH, IT'S ACTUALLY TWO OR THREE DOORS DOWN FROM, UH, ONE THAT WAS APPROVED LAST YEAR. 
          UM, AND THERE ARE NO PREVIOUS, UH, CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS FOR THIS PROPERTY. 
          THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT APPROVING A MAXIMUM OF SIX OCCUPANTS FOR THE THREE BEDROOM DWELLING. 
          THEY HAVE PROVIDED THEIR PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT, UM, AND WE'VE ALSO REVIEWED THAT AS PLANNING STAFF AND THE DWELLING DOES MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT TO ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS. 
          THE CLOSEST DWELLING IS APPROXIMATELY 421 FEET TO THE SOUTHWEST. 
          UM, SO IT IS THE STANDARD RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF. 
          NO CHANGES FROM THE ONE PREVIOUSLY ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. 
          UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID MOVE THIS FORWARD WITH THE UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL AND THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED. 
          ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED. 
          I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE HERE THIS EVENING. 
          PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN. 
          WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          I JUST WANTED TO RECOGNIZE, UH, CHASE AGAIN FOR HI HIS GREAT GUIDANCE. 
          AND I SHOULD SAY, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO ADD THAT THE, THE PROCESS ACTUALLY WAS FAIRLY STRINGENT, SO I I DON'T, WE DIDN'T FEEL LIKE, OH, JUST SIGN A PIECE OF PAPER AND COME AND HAVE A PARTY. 
          UH, IT WAS THOROUGH AND, UH, AND WE WILL ADHERE TO THAT. 
          I KNOW IT SOUNDS LIKE A BROKEN RECORD, UH, AND, UH, UH, UH, BOARD WOMAN, UH, COOK. 
          UH, I, I HEARD YOU LOUD AND CLEAR ON THIS CONCERNS. 
          I CAN'T IMAGINE, UH, AND IN HEARING SOME OF THE OTHER, UH, CITIZENS HERE, WHAT A NIGHTMARE THAT WOULD BE TO HAVE YOUR PIECE OF HEAVEN, RIGHT. 
          JUST DISTURBED EVERY NIGHT. 
          UM, WHERE WE ARE, NOT THOSE PEOPLE. 
          I CAN ALSO TELL YOU THAT THE AIRBNB TWO DOORS DOWN FROM US, WE'VE NEVER HEARD ANYTHING BUT SOME LAUGHTER AND PEOPLE HAVING A NICE MEAL. 
          AND WE'VE MET OUR, OUR NEIGHBORS, UM, AND THEY'RE LOVELY. 
          AND, UH, WASHINGTON DC IS WHERE WE LIVE, BUT I'M JUST, I'M FROM D LA PLAINE RIGHT OVER IN FAKI COUNTY AND JUST LIKE, UH, VICE CHAIR BUTLER'S FAMILY, WE COULDN'T AFFORD TO HAVE A PLACE WHERE I GREW UP  AFTER MY PARENTS PASSED. 
          SO HERE WE ARE AND, UH, WE LOVE IT. 
          UH, IT SHOULD ALSO BE NOTED THAT WE SPEND ALL OF OUR HOLIDAYS HERE. 
          MY FAMILY'S COMING, THEY'RE COMING OUT THIS WEEKEND. 
          WE SPEND MORE TIME HERE FOR A WHILE. 
          IT WAS, YOU KNOW, HOME IS WHERE THE HEART IS. 
          UH, THIS IS PROBABLY MORE HOME THAN WHERE WE LIVE, BUT THE REST IS HISTORY. 
          SO, UH, WE WILL ABIDE BY THE RULES AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY BOARD QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME? HOW MUCH DO YOU SPEND ON WINDOW WASHING? ? DO YOU KNOW THE PLACE? I SEE THE PICTURE RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME, A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT. 
          , WE HAVE, UH, I, YEAH, WE, I I'M A PRO AT, UH, SEVERAL DIFFERENT HARDWARE STORES. 
          LOWE'S, SHERWIN WILLIAMS, UH, WE'VE GOT A GREAT CREW. 
          UH, IT'S A LABOR OF LOVE. 
          UM, AND WE'RE ACTUALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE, THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING ASPECT TOO. 
          WE'VE CLEARED A LOT OF VINE AND A LOT OF STUFF THAT WAS UNDERGROWTH AND WE ARE, UH, REPLANTING, UH, NATIVE SPECIES AND WE'RE GONNA GIVE GREEN GAUGE PLUMS A TRY BECAUSE WHY NOT? SO, UH, WE'RE EXCITED TO, TO BE PART OF THIS. 
          UM, AND WE'LL BE SPENDING EASTER OUT HERE. 
          SO, UH, BUT YEAH, A LOT. 
          WE SPEND A LOT ON CLEANING WINDOWS. 
          YEAH. 
          . 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, SIR. 
          MR. HENDERSON, HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? NO, MA'AM. 
          WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SECOND CALL. 
          ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK? THIRD AND FINAL PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION? MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST OF KENNY AND SYLVIA DAY FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          ROLL CALL MR. HENDERSON. 
          MR. MEYER? AYE. 
          MR. BUTLER? AYE. 
          MADAM CHAIR? AYE. 
          DR. 
          JAMISON? AYE. 
          MRS. COOK? AYE. 
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OKAY. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          [J. Public Hearing: CUP2024-01-04 - Jacquelyn Gunn]
UM, PUBLIC HEARING, CUP 2024 DASH OH ONE DASH OH FOUR JACQUELINE GUNN A REQUEST FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PER PERMIT FOR A SHORT TERM TAURUS RENTAL. 
          THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1754 KYBER PASS ROAD AND IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 23 A SECTION NINE BLOCK 35 LOT 55 A. 
          AND AGAIN, I WILL SAY HOW THIS IS DESIGNATED BS MAY, BUT WHATEVER THE PROPERTY IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL ONE R ONE AND LOCATED IN THE SKYLINE ESTATE SUBDIVISION IN THE HAPPY CREEK MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT. 
          MR. LANCES. 
          THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY YOU PURCHASED IN MAY OF 2023. 
          THE HONOR WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR SHORT-TERM LODGING FOR VISITORS OF THE WARREN COUNTY AREA. 
          SEEKING TO EXPERIENCE THE LOCAL ATTRACTIONS WHEN SHE'S NOT USING THE PROPERTY PERSONALLY, PRIMARILY RESIDING IN WOODBRIDGE VA. 
          THE APPLICANT WILL MANAGE THE PROPERTY PERSONALLY WITH ASSISTANCE FROM HER IMMEDIATE NEIGHBOR, UH, ON BER PASS ROAD, WHO WILL SERVE AS THE LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGER. 
          AS MENTIONED, THIS IS WITHIN THE SKYLAND ESTATE SUBDIVISION. 
          GOT QUITE A FEW, UH, SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTALS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED IN THAT SUBDIVISION. 
          A LITTLE HISTORY ON THIS PROPERTY, A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL WAS PREVIOUSLY DENIED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IN 2014. 
          FOR THIS PROPERTY IT WAS THAT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THAT LED TO THE 2014 TEXT AMENDMENT. 
          ESSENTIALLY THE BOARD WAS NOT SATISFIED WITH THE REGULATIONS IN PLACE AT THE TIME AND THEY WERE TOLD BY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY THAT THE ORDINANCE IN PLACE AT THE TIME OF APPLICATION WOULD BE WHAT WAS APPLIED. 
          THEY COULDN'T JUST TABLE IT AND CHANGE THE REGULATIONS AND THEN REVISIT IT, UH, ONCE THE REGULATIONS WERE CHANGED. 
          AND SO THEY ELECTED TO DENY IT AND HAVE THEM REAPPLY WHEN THE CODE WAS UPDATED. 
          UM, THEY NEVER REAPPLIED. 
          THIS IS A NEW OWNER . 
          UM, THERE, THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT FOR THE PROPERTY, APPROVES A MAXIMUM OF FOUR OCCUPANTS FOR THE TWO, UH, BEDROOM DWELLING. 
          UH, THEY HAVE PROVIDED A PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN AND HAVE REVIEWED THAT. 
          UH, I DID GET COMMENTS FROM THE SKYLINE COMMUNITY CORPORATION. 
          THEY RECOMMENDED THE DISAPPROVAL OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION ON THE BASIS OF THEM HAVING AN ACTIVE ADVERTISEMENT UP. 
          I DID, UH, INSPECT THE WEBSITE MYSELF AND THERE IS NO WAY TO BOOK THE, THE, UH, DWELLING, UH, FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS AT THIS TIME. 
          THEY SIMPLY BUILT A WEBSITE. 
          I KNOW IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME AND, AND, UH, WORK TO, UH, BUILD, UH, A GOOD, UH, RENTAL WEBSITE, UH, LIKE THAT. 
          SO THAT IS ALL THEY HAVE DONE. 
          IT IS NOT LIVE, UM, FOR OPENING RENTALS AND I'VE VERIFIED THAT WITH THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER. 
          UH, OTHER THAN THAT, THE DWELLING DOES MEET THE 100 FOOT SETBACK FROM NEIGHBORING DWELLINGS. 
          THE NEAREST DWELLING IS APPROXIMATELY 167 FEET TO THE EAST ACROSS THE ROAD. 
          IT IS THE STANDARD CONDITIONS WE'RE RECOMMENDING IDENTICAL TO THE, UM, THE TWO PREVIOUS APPLICATIONS WE'VE HAD FOR THIS USE ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING. 
          UM, OTHER THAN THAT, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID MOVE THIS FORWARD WITH THE UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL. 
          THE PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED, ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN. 
          WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? HELLO, I'M JACQUELINE GUNN, OWNER OF, UH, 1 7 5 4 KYBER PASS. 
          AND UM, I THINK CHASE GAVE YOU A GOOD RECAP AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP IN THIS PROCESS. 
          AND LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER, UH, APPLICANTS HAVE SAID THERE'S A LOT OF CHECKS AND BALANCES AND THINGS AND I THINK I'VE MET ALL OF THE MARKS, SO I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD AND JUST HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT AT THIS POINT? NO, THANK YOU MA'AM. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. HENDERSON. 
          ANYONE SIGN UP FOR THIS ONE? NO MA'AM. 
          WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM AT THIS TIME? SECOND CALL. 
          ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK? THIRD AND FILE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. 
          IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS? DISCUSSION? NOT, IS THERE A MOTION? MADAM CHAIR? I MOVE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST OF JACQUE JACQUELINE GUNN FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          ROLL CALL. 
          MR. HENDERSON. 
          MRS. COOK? AYE. 
          DR. 
          JAMISON AYE. 
          MADAM CHAIR? AYE. 
          MR. BUTLER? AYE. 
          MR. STANIER? AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES 
          [K. Public Hearing: CUP2023-05-04 - David A. Downes]
PUBLIC HEARING CUP 2023 DASH OH FIVE DASH OH FOUR DAVID DOWNS. 
          THIS IS A RESUBMISSION REQUEST FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL. 
          THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1 25 FREEZE ROAD AND IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 23 C SECTION TWO BLOCK TWO LOT 1 68 A. 
          THE PROPERTY IS 
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ZONED RESIDENTIAL ONE R ONE AND LOCATED IN THE MOUNTAIN VIEW SECTION OF THE CHANDRA FARM SUBDIVISION IN THE SHENANDOAH MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT. 
          MR. WENDLING? YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HOLD ON JUST A MOMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, YES. 
          THE APPLICANT MR. DOWNS IS, IS REQUESTING THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT ON BEHALF OF THE ESTATE OF HIS CLOSE FRIEND WHO IS NOW DECEASED AND IS AS A REPRESENTATIVE FOR HIS YOUNG, UH, HIS FRIEND'S YOUNG DAUGHTER. 
          UH, THIS PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED IN 2018 BY, UH, HIS FRIEND WHO WAS THE FATHER AND UNCLE OF THE, UH, THE CHILD. 
          THE PERMIT WOULD ALLOW FOR THE APPLICANT TO GENERATE INCOME ON THE PROPERTY UNTIL THE DAUGHTER TURNS 21 YEARS OLD AND RELOCATES TO THE UNITED STATES FROM THE PHILIPPINES WHERE SHE CURRENTLY LIVES. 
          THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE PROPERTY AVAILABLE TO SHORT-TERM TOUR, UH, LODGING, UH, FOR GUESTS FOR THE WARREN COUNTY AREA, AND WILL MANAGE THE PROPERTY PERSONALLY WITH ASSISTANCE FROM LOCAL PROFESSIONAL SERVICES FOR TRASH DISPOSAL, CLEANING, LANDSCAPING, AND MAINTENANCE. 
          UM, IN 2023, THE APPLICANT HAD SUBMITTED THIS, UM, BUT WAS FOUND TO NOT HAVE THE LEGAL ORDER NECESSARY TO GIVE HIM THE ADDITIONAL FIDUCIARY POWERS TO REPRESENT, UH, THE MINOR WHO LIVES IN, IN PHILIPPINES FOR THIS SUBMISSION FOR THE APP, UH, CP APPLICATION AND MANAGEMENT FOR THE SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL. 
          THE ORDER WAS RECORDED WITH THE WARREN COUNTY CIRCUIT COURT CLERK ON DECEMBER 20TH, 2023. 
          MR. DOWNS HAS REQUESTED THAT THE PLAINTIFF COMMISSION AND BOARD, UH, REEVALUATE THIS APPLICATION, WHICH IT'S, IT'S HERE TONIGHT. 
          UM, THAT, UM, ORDER WAS, UH, INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKETS THIS EVENING. 
          UM, THE MAXIMUM, UH, PROPERTY DOES HAVE A, A SEPTIC SYSTEM FOR MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS NOT TO EXCEED, UM, UH, THE AMOUNT FOR THREE BEDROOM HOUSE WITH A DESIGN FLOW OF 450 GALLONS PER DAY FOR SIX OCCUPANTS ACUMEN MAXIMUM. 
          UH, IT DOES MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SETBACK. 
          IT IS 131 FEET, UH, TO THE CLOSEST DWELLING TO THE WEST. 
          AND STAFF IS REC, UH, HAS RECOMMENDED THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS MOVED THEM FORWARD WITH THEIR APPROVAL. 
          UH, THESE ARE THE STANDARD CONDITIONS THAT WE DO INCLUDE IN THE, UH, SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTALS. 
          UH, AND SINCE THEY'VE BEEN READ ONCE, I DON'T THINK I'LL NEED TO READ THOSE AGAIN UNLESS YOU'D LIKE ME TO. 
          UH, THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED. 
          ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED MR. DOWNS IS HERE THIS EVENING, AND I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. 
          PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN. 
          MR. DOWNS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK? THANK YOU MADAM CHAIRMAN FOR SUPERVISORS. 
          MS. WELLING. 
          THANKFULLY BEFORE THAT PRESENTATION, VERY FAIR AND ACCURATE. 
          I'M HERE WITH GREAT RELUCTANCE. 
          I'M RELUCTANT THAT MY GOOD FRIEND OF TWO DECADES DIED WITHOUT A WILL AND LEFT A, AN ESTATE FOR HIS 14-YEAR-OLD IN THE PHILIPPINES WITH ESSENTIALLY NO WAY OF PRESERVING THE PROPERTY. 
          UH, BUT FOR WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED, THE, UM, AS POINT OF CLARIFICATION, WE ARE, UH, ESSENTIALLY OUT OF PROBATE FOR PURPOSES OF THE OWNERSHIP OF THE PROPERTY. 
          IT IS NOW IN TRUST, WHICH WAS THE PRECLUSION THAT KEPT IT FROM APPROVAL THE LAST TIME IT CAME AROUND. 
          IT'S NOW AN ASSET OF THE TRUST, WHICH I AM THE TRUSTEE. 
          I'M HERE WITH RELUCTANCE AS A LANDLORD. 
          UH, WHEN I CAME TO FRONT ROYAL AND WHERE I'VE BEEN WORKING AND LIVING FOR THE PAST 37 YEARS, I, MY MY TOWN HALL, UH, WAS RENTED WHEN I MOVED AND IT PROCEEDED TO BECOME, UH, UH, A, A, A HORRIBLE INVESTMENT WITH THE ABUSE SUBMITTED BY, BY TENANTS THAT I HAD IT JUST, UH, IN MY PROFESSION. 
          I ALSO SEE, UNFORTUNATELY, THE, THE UGLY UNDERBELLY OF LANDLORD TENANT RELATIONS WHEN THERE IS NOT A GOOD VETTING PROCESS. 
          AND I APPARENTLY HAD VERY BAD LUCK WITH TENANTS. 
          SO I'M, I, I THUS AM HERE NOW AS A RELUCTANT SHORT TERM RENTAL TRUSTEE. 
          UM, IN THAT THIS IS NOT MY VOCATION. 
          I DON'T PLAN TO HAVE ANOTHER SHORT TERM RENTAL. 
          UH, IT'S NOT MEANT FOR BUSINESS. 
          AND AS STATED, THE HOPE IS THAT, UH, MY GODDAUGHTER WILL IN SEVEN YEARS BE ABLE TO COME HERE, WHICH WILL BE WHEN THE TRUST EXPIRES. 
          SO WE'RE NOT DEALING WITH THE SITUATION OF THIS IS GOING TO GO ON AD NAUSEUM. 
          I, UM, AM ALSO PLANNING TO HAVE ASSISTANCE WITH PROFESSIONALS THAT HAVE A GOOD WEBSITE SET UP AND CAN ASSIST ME PROFESSIONALLY IN ADVERTISING AND MANAGING THE PROPERTY. 
          UH, EVOLV HAS, I THINK SIX OTHER RENTALS AND THE, UM, WARREN COUNTY AREA ALREADY. 
          THEY'RE VERY WELL RESPECTED AND CAN GIMME SOME OF THE EXPERTISE 
          [02:45:01]
TO PREVENT SOME OF THE WHORES, IF ANY, THAT ARE COMING FROM THE, UM, SHORT TERM RENTALS THAT ARE OF CONCERN TO THIS BOARD. 
          UH, WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, I OPEN MYSELF UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS. 
          I, UM, I ALSO PLAN ON HAVING A LOT OF HANDS ON. 
          I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF MOTORCYCLES AT THE PROPERTY I'M WORKING ON. 
          I'M THERE JUST ABOUT ONCE OR TWICE A WEEK. 
          UM, THE LAST TIME I RAN INTO A NEIGHBOR WAS IRONICALLY A, UH, ANOTHER SHORT TERM RENTAL, A UM, BACHELORETTE PARTY THAT COULD NOT MAKE IT UP. 
          FREEZE ROAD. 
          I DUNNO IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT PART, BUT, UH, THAT WAS WHEN WE HAD THE ICE AND, UH, THEY JUST COULDN'T MAKE IT PASS. 
          SO WE LET THEM PARK IN, IN THE PARKING AREA. 
          THERE'S LOTS OF PARKING FOR THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION AND THEY WERE SO PLEASANT AND NICE AND WE SAYS, HEY, WE'RE HOPING SOMEDAY WE TOO CAN DO A AIRBNB. 
          SO GIMME A CALL. 
          YOU KNOW, SO WITHOUT, UH, IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M MORE THAN GLAD TO ANSWER THEM. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO, SIR. 
          IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. HENDERSON. 
          HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK AT THIS ONE? NO, MA'AM. 
          WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SECOND CALL. 
          THIRD AND FINAL CALL. 
          PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION? I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUESTS OF DAVID A. DOWNS FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND, SECOND. 
          ROLL CALL MR. HENDERSON. 
          MR. STANIER? AYE. 
          MR. BUTLER? AYE. 
          MADAM CHAIR? AYE. 
          DR. 
          JAMSON? AYE. 
          MRS. COOK AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES, UH, PUBLIC 
          [L. Public Hearing: R2023-12-01 - Foresight Design Services]
HEARING R 2023 DASH 12 DASH OH ONE FORESIGHT DESIGN SERVICES A REZONING APPLICATION TO AMEND THE WARREN COUNTY ZONING MAP TO REZONE A 5.04 ACRE PARCEL FROM AGRICULTURAL A TO COMMERCIAL C. 
          THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 99 CEDAR COURT, CEDAR PARK COURT, AND IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 12 E AS LOT SIX. 
          THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE NORTH, UH, RIVER MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT AND THE PROPOSED BY WRIGHT LAND USE IS FOR A HOTEL, MOTEL, AND FUTURE RESTAURANT. 
          THE FUTURE LAND USE ZONING MAP IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS SHOWN AS COMMERCIAL ZONING FOR THIS PROPERTY. 
          MR. WENDLING? YES, THIS SUBJECT PROPERTY IS ALSO PART OF THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT ADJACENT TO THE MARRIOTT HOTEL OFF COUNTRY CLUB ROAD IN CAROLINE COURT. 
          UH, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING THIS REZONING FOR THE HOTEL MOTEL. 
          UH, HE WILL BE FOLLOWING UP WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST TO ALLOW THE FIVE STORY HOTEL WITH AN INCREASING HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING TO 62 FEET, WHICH IS, UH, OVER THE ALLOWED 40 UH, FEET OF A COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT. 
          UH, THE CONCEPT PLAN, WHICH I BELIEVE WE HAVE BEHIND ME, UH, SHOWS THE PROPERTY ALSO IDENTIFIES SOME FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF RETAIL STRIP PLAZA RESTAURANT, WHICH ARE BY RIGHT USES IN A COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT. 
          UM, UH, THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN ZONED AGRICULTURAL. 
          IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED AGRICULTURAL IS MOSTLY WOODED AND USED FOR A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING AS A RESIDENCE. 
          APPROXIMATELY THREE QUARTERS OF THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THAT HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT. 
          UH, AND IT'S ALSO INCLUDED IN THE ROUTE THREE 40 CORRIDOR TRANSPORTATION, UH, PLAN FOR RURAL PRINCIPAL ARTERIAL FOR THE PLAN FOR A PARALLEL CONNECTOR ROAD CONNECTING COUNTRY CLUB ROAD TO ROCKLAND ROAD. 
          UM, AS YOU MENTIONED, UM, THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DOES IDENTIFY THIS PROPERTY AND SOME OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES FOR FUTURE LAND USE IS COMMERCIAL. 
          UM, AND THOSE PROPERTIES ARE ALSO CURRENTLY ZONED AGRICULTURAL. 
          UM, WE, UM, CHAPTER FOUR, THE, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES, UH, STATE AS A GOAL TO DIRECT FUTURE GROWTH IN AN EFFICIENT, SERVICEABLE ANIMAL SERVICEABLE FORM THAT WILL PRESERVE THE COUNTY'S PREDOMINANTLY RURAL, UH, CHARACTERS. 
          IT GIVES SOME CHARACTERISTICS FROM THAT, UH, CODE. 
          UM, AND THEN, UM, THEY ALSO, IT ALSO STATES TO ENCOURAGE THE LOCATION OF CLEAN INDUSTRY AND COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENTS OF PERFORMANCE STANDARDS THAT ENSURE THE ACTIVITY WOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE COMMUNITY GOALS. 
          UM, WE'VE RECEIVED THREE SETS OF PROFFERS. 
          UH, THE MOST RECENT ONE WE RECEIVED TODAY. 
          UH, WE, THEY ARE SIGNED SET OF PROPERTIES, UH, FOR ITEMS RELATING TO, UH, UH, EMERGENCY SERVICES, A CASH PROPER FOR THAT DEDICATION OF RIGHT OF WAY DESIGN STANDARDS. 
          AND, UH, WITH THE ADDITION OF, UH, THE ITEM TODAY FOR, UH, FENCING 
          [02:50:01]
AROUND THE PROPERTY PRIOR TO CONSTRUCTION. 
          UM, AND THAT WOULD BE ITEM I IN THE PROFFERS THAT WERE, UH, PROVIDED TO YOU PRIOR TO THIS MEETING. 
          UM, THE, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS AN APPLICANT, UH, AS AN APPLICANT IS REPRESENTED BY FORESIGHT DESIGN SERVICES, AND I BELIEVE MR. JOHN NEAL IS HERE, UH, WHERE HE WAS. 
          OH, THERE HE IS. 
          HE'S ON. 
          OKAY. 
          THEY'RE HERE, UH, TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. 
          PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN. 
          WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK? GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD APPRECIATE YOUR TIME THIS EVENING. 
          MY NAME IS JOHN NEIL. 
          I'M A ENGINEER WITH FORESIGHT DESIGN SERVICES AND APPEAR TO BE IN THE LAND OF GIANTS HERE. 
          LET ME, UH, DO THAT IF I CAN. 
          UM, I DO HAVE A, A HANDOUT OF THE, UH, CONCEPT PLAN IF Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A COPY OF THAT. 
          I THANK YOU. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WHOOP, I GOT TWO I I'LL SHARE. 
          THANKS. 
          THANKS. 
          AND ACTUALLY NOT IN THE LAND OF GIANTS, I'M JUST SHORT. 
          SO, UM, REMEMBER THAT, UM, APPRECIATE MR. LING'S, UH, PRESENTATION. 
          I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF RUN THROUGH A FEW FEW THINGS WITH YOU. 
          RAG PATEL, WHO WILL BE THE OWNER AND OPERATOR OF THE HOTELS HERE THIS EVENING AS WELL, TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. 
          UH, HIS COMPANY, BELLA HOSPITALITY, WE WORK WITH THEM QUITE A BIT. 
          THEY WILL OWN AND OPERATE THE HOTEL. 
          UH, CURRENT. 
          WE CURRENTLY HAVE A HOME, TWO SUITES, UH, UNDER CONSTRUCTION IN WINCHESTER RIGHT NOW. 
          THEY'VE BROKEN GROUND AND ARE DOING THAT. 
          WE ALSO HAVE A CIRCLE K IN CHRISTIANSBURG CONVENIENCE STORE AND ARE, UH, STARTING A, UH, HOTEL IN WOODSTOCK AS WELL. 
          UM, SO HE IS A, HE IS A LOCAL, UH, BUSINESS BUSINESSMAN TO THE 81 CORRIDOR. 
          UH, HAS, UH, ONGOING CONCERNS, UH, THROUGHOUT THE AREA. 
          UM, WE'RE PROPOSING A FIVE STORY, 107 BEDROOM HOTEL, UM, FUTURE FAST CASUAL RESTAURANT ON A, THE ADJACENT, UH, PARCEL THERE AS YOU CAN IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE CONCEPT IS TO THE LOWER HALF OF THE PAGE. 
          UH, AND THEN OVER TO THE SIDE, UM, A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT, UH, RETAIL COMMERCIAL BUILDING AS WELL. 
          UM, WE'RE EXTENDING CAROLINE DRIVE AS, AS SHOWN ON OUR CONCEPT PLAN. 
          UH, AND THAT'S AS IT WAS PLANNED ON THE ROUTE 3 45, 22 CORRIDOR TRANSPORTATION PLAN, UH, THAT YOU ALL HAVE THAT CONNECTING ALL THE WAY UP. 
          UH, AND, UM, WE'VE WORKED WITH VDOT ON ALL THE DETAILS, UM, FOR THIS EXTENSION, INCLUDING FINISHING UP SOME OF THE STUFF, SOME STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS, UH, BACK DOWN TO THE ROUNDABOUT, UH, THAT WERE NOT DONE, UH, WITH PART OF THE, THE MARRIOTT, UH, DEVELOPMENT THERE. 
          UH, WE'RE A FIVE ACRE SITE AND WE ARE, AS MATT SAID, WE'RE IN THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT. 
          UM, AND ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS I THINK THAT, UM, WE RUN INTO, UH, THAT YOU ALL HAVE DONE AS A, AS A PLANNING COMMISSION AND A BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, IS THAT YOU IDENTIFIED THIS AND PUT IT IN YOUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP, UM, AS COMMERCIAL. 
          UM, AND THEN THERE'S ADJACENT INDUSTRIAL AS WELL. 
          UH, SO YOU WERE SEEING WHAT THIS PROPERTY WAS GOING TO BE IN THE FUTURE, UH, AND YOU DESIGNATED THAT AREA. 
          AND THEN WHAT YOU'VE SEEN IN THE FUTURE IS WHAT WE'RE COMING TO PRESENT TO YOU, UH, COMMERCIAL SITE WITH BOTH A HOTEL, UH, RESTAURANT AND IN A FUTURE, UH, COMMERCIAL CENTER AS WELL. 
          UM, WE'D LIKE TO REQUEST THIS REZONING TO TO COMMERCIAL AS WELL AS, UH, THE ACCOMPANYING CUP FOR A INCREASE IN HEIGHT UP TO 62 MAXIMUM FEET. 
          UM, NOW THE, THE HOTEL WILL PROBABLY NOT BE 62 FEET. 
          WE TRY TO ALLOW, UH, FOR SOME BUFFER IN THERE. 
          WE'LL PROBABLY END UP AT ABOUT 59 FEET I THINK. 
          UM, BUT WE, WE DON'T WANT TO PUSH IT TO THE LIMIT. 
          AND THEN WHEN THE ARCHITECTURAL PLANS COME IN AND IT'S 59.5 FEET, UM, AND TRY TO COME BACK TO YOU, ANYTHING LIKE THAT, WE DON'T WANNA DO THAT. 
          UM, AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, I THINK WE HAD ONE RESIDENT THAT CAME OUT AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS CONCERNED. 
          UM, WE ARE PROPOSING A TYPE B BUFFER ALL AROUND THE HOTEL. 
          UH, AND THEN, UH, AS WE WORKED WITH MATT HERE RECENTLY ON, UH, THE PROPOSAL FOR THE FENCE AROUND THE SITE. 
          UM, AND SO WE ADDED THAT AS A PROFFER TODAY AND, AND THE OWNER SIGNED THAT, UM, WE'RE GETTING WATER AND SEWER FROM THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL AND I THINK THAT'S GENERALLY IT. 
          I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. 
          PUBLIC HEARING IS 
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NOW OPEN. 
          UM, I HAVE ONE QUESTION JUST TO GIVE ME, UM, AN IDEA OF WHAT THE HEIGHT THAT YOU'RE TALKING THE CURRENT, UM, HOTEL THAT'S THERE, WHAT IS THAT HEIGHT AREA IS? I CAN PROBABLY HELP YOU IN, IN SOME FORM OR FASHION. 
          SO THAT HOTEL IS A FOUR STORY HOTEL. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'RE PROPOSING A FIVE STORY HOTEL. 
          HOWEVER, TYPICALLY ON HOTELS IN MOST COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, THAT FIRST FLOOR IS A LITTLE BIT TALLER THAN THE REST OF THEM. 
          SO MOST OF THOSE HOTELS, THE HEIGHTS IS PROBABLY A 12 FOOT CEILING HEIGHT, UH, ON THAT FIRST FLOOR. 
          AND THEN YOU'RE AT NINE FOOT CEILINGS GOING UP. 
          SO OUR HOTEL WILL PROBABLY BE ABOUT NINE FEET TALLER, UH, THAN THAT MARRIOTT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, I I WANNA SAY IT'S ABOUT 52 IN THAT BALLPARK IN THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I WAS JUST TRYING TO MM-HMM,  GET A VISUAL IN MY MIND OF, YOU KNOW, KNOWING WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE WITH THE ADDITIONAL FOOTAGE. 
          YES MA'AM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , ANYONE ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS? YES, UH, I, I NOTICED ON THE, ON THE POUCH ON THE UM, UM, PHOTO THAT, THAT Y'ALL HAVE, THERE'S A STRUCTURE THAT'S ALREADY THERE. 
          CAN YOU TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT? UH, SO THERE'S AN EXISTING HOUSE THERE. 
          YES, SIR. 
          AND THAT'S WHEN, UH, RAG HAS THE CONTRACT ON THE PROPERTY AND THE PREVIOUS OWNER, UH, THEY OWN THAT HOUSE THAT WOULD HOUSE WOULD EVENTUALLY BE TORE DOWN FOR THE RESTAURANT. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THAT A, HOW OLD IS THAT HOUSE? I'M JUST CURIOUS. 
          I AM NOT AWARE OF HOW OLD THAT HOUSE IS. 
          HMM. 
          I'M, I'M NOT CERTAIN, SIR. 
          I COULDN'T TELL YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          I APOLOGIZE. 
          I, I WAS JUST, JUST KIND OF CURIOUS. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          YES, SIR. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DO YOU, DOES YOUR COMPANY MANAGE THE, THE, THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS AS WELL? SO WE ARE, UH, MANAGES PROBABLY NOT THE CORRECT WORD. 
          SO WE'RE THE CIVIL ENGINEER SURVEYOR, UH, PLANNER. 
          WE DO ALL THE DESIGNS, WORK WITH THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR WHO WOULD BE THE, THE MANAGER OF THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT WE WORK PRETTY CLOSELY WITH THEM AND THE COUNTY, UH, WHO I ASSUME YOU ALL HAVE ROSA SEVEN CONTROL INSPECTORS, PLANNING AND ZONING FOLKS. 
          UM, WE LOOK AT, WE APPROACH THAT AS A KIND OF A TEAM EFFORT WITH THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR, THE OWNER OURSELVES, WHO WILL BE VISITING THE SITE, UH, REGULARLY AND, UH, THE COUNTY STAFF. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I WANNA EMPHASIZE IS, IS, UH, THAT THE, THE FENCING, THE PURPOSE OF THE FENCING EXISTS FROM THE TIME BEFORE ANY CONSTRUCTION IS BUILT. 
          'CAUSE THE CONCERNS ABOUT TRASH BLOWING MM-HMM. 
          , ALL THE CONSTRUCTION DEBRIS, UH, BLOWING AND THEN, THEN, UH, ACTUALLY PERSONNEL BEING ABLE TO USE THAT CEDAR PARK AS PARKING AND THEN WALKING OVER THE CONSTRUCTION SITE. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          THE INTENTION IS FOR NONE OF THAT, NONE OF THAT TO HAPPEN TO HAPPEN. 
          SURE. 
          AND WE INCLUDED THAT AND, AND WORKED WITH MR. WHEELING ON THE, AND THE LAST PROCESS. 
          AND THAT WAS VERY DEMANDABLE HOW QUICKLY YOU DID THAT. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          UM, AND ONE OF THE, AND I APOLOGIZE NO, GO AHEAD. 
          ONE OF THE, UH, RESIDENTS THAT ARE THE ONLY RESIDENT I GUESS THAT SPOKE AND ONE OF THE RESIDENTS THAT WAS AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, HE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE FUTURE ACCESS, UM, UH, FROM YEAH. 
          THE, THE STREET ON THE BACK THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND WE PROFFERED IN VERY SPECIFICALLY, THERE WILL BE NO ACCESS WHATSOEVER, UH, FROM THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, NO PLANNED ACCESS. 
          AND WHAT WE'RE WE'RE INTENDING WITH THE SIX FENCE IS THAT THERE'S NO, BECAUSE AS IT'S, AS IT'S DRAWN, IT COULD JUST PARK THERE AND THEN WALK THROUGH THE TREES. 
          YES, SIR. 
          AND THERE, SO SIR, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE INTENDING. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME. 
          MR. ANDERSON. 
          ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR THIS ONE? UH, RON CLUTTERBUCK. 
          SORRY. 
          RESIDENT . 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          UH, I'M RON CLAUDER BOOK. 
          I'M A RESIDENT OF, UH, NORTH RIVER DISTRICT. 
          I WANNA THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS OUR CONCERNS. 
          I'M SPEAKING, ADDRESSING UNITED ON BEHALF OF THE FIVE WARREN COUNTY RESIDENTS THAT LIVE ON CEDAR PARK COURT ADJACENT TO THIS CONSTRUCTION. 
          UH, WERE ALL LONG TERM, IF NOT LIFE TERM MEMBER RESIDENTS OF WARREN COUNTY. 
          AND MOST OF YOU TONIGHT EXPRESSED YOUR CONCERN FOR THE RESIDENTS OF WARREN COUNTY. 
          SO PLEASE KEEP OUR CONCERNS IN MIND. 
          I ADDRESS THESE IN WRITTEN FORM TO DR. 
          JAMESON AND MR. WINLAND AS WELL. 
          SO I HOPEFULLY THEY CAN DISSEMINATE THAT. 
          AND I, MY CONCERNS WE'RE HOPING FOR MITIGATION 'CAUSE I'M CONVINCED THIS IS GONNA HAPPEN REGARDLESS OF WHAT OUR FIVE CONCERNS ARE. 
          SO WE NEED TO MITIGATE THIS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. 
          SOME OF THE THINGS ONE CONCERN BE, HE SAID THE HEIGHT NOW IS TALLER THAN WAS BRIEFED EARLIER. 
          I AM REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE LIGHT POLLUTION FROM THE SIGNAGE AND THE LIGHTING, THE NOISE POLLUTION, AND 
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THIS CONTINUED CONSTRUCTION. 
          IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT, COME SIT IN MY FRONT YARD ANYTIME YOU WANT. 
          UH, BETWEEN THAT AND THE POWER PLANT, IT'S UH, IT'S ALMOST, UH, DAMAGING MY EARS AND JUST THE TRASH POLLUTIONS. 
          I WAS GLAD TO SEE THE FENCE WAS ADDRESSED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BECAUSE, UH, THE TRASH IS CONTINUALLY BLOWING INTO OUR PROPERTIES FROM RIVERTON AND NOBODY EVER DOES ANYTHING ABOUT IT. 
          UH, PARKING ON CEDAR PARK COURT WAS ADDRESSED. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT DR. 
          JAMESON. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, BUT STILL SINCE THE CONSTRUCTION WENT IN, I HAVE HAD VANDALISM ON MY PROPERTY, TRESPASSES ON MY PROPERTY CONTINUOUSLY, AND ALL THE RESIDENTS HAVE AS WELL. 
          AND THIS IS JUST ENCROACHES EVEN FARTHER AND REALLY IMPACTS OUR QUALITY OF LIFE. 
          UH, AND ONE MOST SIGNIFICANTLY IS WE CANNOT SELL OUR PROPERTIES AT A REAL VALUE BECAUSE OF THIS CONSTRUCTION. 
          SO WE'RE BASICALLY, WE'RE HA WE'RE BASICALLY KIDNAPPED. 
          WE CANNOT MOVE FIVE RESIDENTS AND BELIEVE IT, I'M 65 AND I'M THE YOUNGEST RESIDENT THERE. 
          EVERYBODY'S IN THEIR RETIREMENT AGE AND WE CANNOT SELL OUR HOMES AT A REASONABLE RIGHT BECAUSE OF THIS CONSTRUCTION. 
          SO WE ARE STUCK THERE. 
          SO IT SEEMS TO ME THE FEW ARE GONNA SUFFER FOR THE MANY AND YOU EXPRESS YOUR CONCERN FOR THE RESIDENTS OF WARREN COUNTY. 
          SO PLEASE BE SINCERE WITH THAT. 
          THIS IS ADVERSELY AFFECTING OUR LIFE, SERIOUSLY, OUR QUALITY OF LIFE AND OUR LONG TERM LIFE. 
          UH, I RETIRED FROM THE MARINE CORPS IN 2000, MOVED TO WARREN COUNTY, AND, BUT I'M GONNA LEAVE AS SOON AS I POSSIBLY CAN IF THIS CONTINUES DOWN THIS PATH. 
          NOW I KNOW THE CONSTRUCTION'S GONNA CONTINUE, BUT I REALLY WANT YOU GUYS TO TRY TO BE SINCERE AND WORK SOME KIND OF MITIGATION OUT UNTIL I CAN SELL MY PROPERTY AND GET OUTTA HERE. 
          AND I, THE OTHER RESIDENTS ALL AGREE WITH ME IN THIS MATTER. 
          SO UNFORTUNATELY, WE'RE BEING DRIVEN FROM WARREN COUNTY AND WE HAVE NO RECOURSE. 
          OKAY. 
          AGAIN, I WANNA THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR CONSIDERATION AND KEEP THESE LONG TERM TAX PAYING RESIDENTS, WARREN COUNTY IN YOUR MINDS WHEN YOU MAKE THESE DECISIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          ANYONE ELSE? MR. HENDERSON? NO MA'AM. 
          WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? SECOND CALL. 
          ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? THIRD AND FINAL HEARING IS NOW CLOSED. 
          ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION AT THIS POINT? IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION? I AM NOT READY TO MAKE A MOTION, BUT I DO WANT TO, TO ADDRESS, UH, MR. CLATTER BOOK AND, AND, AND THE FIVE RESIDENTS REMAINING THERE. 
          I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, WITH ESSENTIALLY A ALMOST UNWINNABLE SITUATION AND WE HAVE A, YOU KNOW, FOR MANY YEARS HAVE, HAVE THIS COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR PLANNED. 
          AND, UM, I MEAN IT'S, IT DOES BREAK MY HEART TO, TO SEE THE SITUATION WE'RE IN, BUT I CANNOT SEE A WAY OUT OF IT. 
          UM, WHAT I DO THINK THOUGH IS THAT AS MR MR CLATER BOOK SAID, ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO MITIGATE THEIR SITUATION IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD CONSIDER. 
          UM, AND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND EITHER AS A REQUEST ON THE DEVELOPER OR AS SOMETHING THAT THE, THE COUNTY, IF YOU KNOW, AT, AT A MIN, YOU KNOW, MINIMAL EXPENSE, UM, CAN UNDERTAKE. 
          AND, AND ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE HEARD, UH, FROM THESE, FROM THESE RESIDENCES THAT, UH, THIS KIND OF A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT CAN LITERALLY DAMAGE THEIR PROPERTY. 
          UM, IF THERE'S FOUNDATION WORK AND THERE'S BLASTING, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF, OF THINGS, YOU KNOW, THEY, AND THEY'VE ALREADY EXPERIENCED IT. 
          SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE REPORTING ON A FIRSTHAND BASIS THAT THEY'VE HAD WINDOW PROBLEMS, UH, YOU KNOW, DRYWALL SHIFTING PROBLEMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I, AND I, I'VE, I'VE BRIEFLY BROUGHT THIS UP, UM, TALKING TO SOME OF THE COUNTY STAFF, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT IT'S A RE IT WOULD BE NOT UNREASONABLE FOR US TO CONSIDER, UH, UTILIZING THE COUNTY, UH, INSPECTORS WHOSE JOB IS TO GO INSPECT PROPERTIES WHEN THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERING A SPECIFIC OF OCCUPANCY, UM, ON A PRE-PROJECT BASIS, TO, TO BE ABLE TO ASSESS, YOU KNOW, THE SITUATION OF ALL OF THESE RESIDENTS. 
          UM, SO IF THEY, IF THEY, YOU KNOW, EVEN IN RESIDENTIAL, IN MY OWN NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY HAD TO, TO, YOU KNOW, BLAST TO GET, TO GET A FOUNDATIONS IN. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK IT'S UNREASONABLE TO, TO ENLIST THE SERVICES OF, OF THE COUNTY INSPECTION DEPARTMENT, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, 
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TO GET A BASELINE OF ALL OF THESE, OF ALL OF THESE PROPERTIES AND THEN, UH, MONITOR THAT AND THEN PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY A, A BASIS OF, UH, ESSENTIALLY A BIG, A BIG BROTHER'S COVER. 
          I HATE THAT WORD, BIG BROTHER. 
          I SHOULDN'T HAVE SAID THAT. 
          UM, BUT SOME ASSISTANCE FROM THE COUNTY IN TERMS OF SOME SUPPORT. 
          IF, IF THESE PEOPLE ARE ALL ON THEIR OWN AND A SITUATION UNFOLDS AND, UH, MAY I'M JUST GONNA KEEP USING THE BLASTING ONE 'CAUSE I CAN, I CAN ENVISION THAT, UH, RESULTS AND DAMAGE, THEN I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T REALLY THINK IT'S FAIR TO, FOR THEM TO BE ON THEIR OWN AND HAVE TO GO ADDRESS A, A DEVELOPER, UH, YOU KNOW, ON THEIR OWN, WITH THEIR OWN RESOURCES TRYING TO PROVE IT ALL. 
          UM, SO I THINK THAT'S AN, JUST AN EXAMPLE THAT OCCURS TO ME IS SOMETHING IN TERMS OF MITIGATION, THAT WE CAN PROVIDE A DEGREE OF PROTECTION TO THE PEOPLE REMAINING HERE. 
          UM, WHILE THIS IS GOING ON, UM, I ALSO, UH, WHEN I, WHEN MEETING WITH THESE, THESE CONSTITUENTS AND MR. GLADBROOK DESCRIBED THE SITUATION, UH, THEY ALL ARE REALISTS, SO THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO PROTECT THEIR QUALITY OF THEIR LIFE WHILE THEY'RE, WHILE THEY'RE THERE. 
          UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS OCCURRED TO ME, AND I HAVEN'T YET SPOKEN WITH JOE, BUT, BUT THIS, THIS IS ALL STILL AGRICULTURAL, BUT AS WE SEE WITH THE NEIGHBOR OF THEIRS THAT WERE, WAS ABLE TO SELL, UM, THEY'VE ACTUALLY GOTTEN TOGETHER IN THE PAST AND CONSIDERED COLLECTIVELY PUTTING THEIR, THEIR, YOU KNOW, LINKING ARMS AND SAYING, WE, WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO SELL PROPERTY FOR FUTURE COMMERCIAL USE. 
          AND, UM, I THINK THAT THAT ANOTHER REASONABLE AND RELATIVELY LOW EFFORT, UH, RELATIVELY SPEAKING OF ON THE COUNTY'S PART WOULD BE GET OUR EDA CONNECTED WITH THESE RESIDENTS ON A PLAN OF ACTION TO AS, AS WE DO WITH OTHER PROPERTIES THAT THE COUNTY OWNS, MARKET THEM TO, TO BUSINESSES AND TRY TO DRAW BUSINESSES IN, I BELIEVE THE NUMBER'S, 24 ACRES. 
          UM, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES OF, OF, OF ALL THESE RESIDENTS COMBINED. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU CAN REMEMBER PLAYING MUSICAL CHAIRS WHEN YOU WERE A CHILD, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANNA BE THE LAST ONE STANDING. 
          AND THAT IS A REAL SITUATION. 
          THESE, THESE PEOPLE ARE IN BECAUSE THEY SAW THIS ONE NEIGHBOR GO AND THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ALL NATURALLY, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR IT. 
          BUT IF YOU CONSIDER THAT, AND I HAVEN'T, I HAVEN'T EXPLORED THIS WITH JOE, UH, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, MORE VALUABLE IN RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. 
          SO IF WE CAN DEVOTE SOME TIME, SOME STAFF TIME, UH, TO, TO MEET WITH THESE PEOPLE AS A GROUP AND COORDINATE WITH THEM AND SEE IF SOMETHING CAN COME OF THAT, OF MARKETING THIS AS COMMERCIAL PROPERTY SO THAT IN THE END, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THIS HASN'T GONE THE WAY THEY WOULD'VE LIKED STILL, YOU KNOW, SOME REMUNERATION CAN BE RECEIVED OUT OF IT OTHER THAN A VERY, UM, DIMINISHED VALUE OF THEIR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. 
          UH, THE FINAL THING, YOU KNOW, THAT OCCURS TO ME IS THAT I'VE ALREADY COUNSELED OR ADVISED THAT THEY SHOULD APPEAL, UH, THEIR APPRAISALS IF THEY DON'T REFLECT WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE. 
          'CAUSE, UM, MOST DEFINITELY, I CAN SPEAK FROM MY PERSONAL POINT OF VIEW, THAT IF I KNEW THIS PROJECT WAS GOING, I WOULD NOT BUY THESE PROPERTIES. 
          NOW, I, I DON'T THINK I'M LIKE TIPPING OFF ANYBODY AND, UM, AND WHEN I SAY THAT, BUT THE FACT IS THAT AS RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, THEY'RE, THEY SHOULD BE APPEALING THEIR, THEIR, THEIR, UH, APPRAISALS. 
          SO I'VE CONNECTED THEM WITH THE INFORMATION THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. 
          BUT THAT IS REALLY MINOR COMPARED TO WHAT I THINK THAT WE SHOULD DO IN TERMS OF HOLDING OUT A HAND TO THEM IN TERMS OF COORDINATING WITH OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO SAY, LET'S, LET'S WORK TOGETHER TO SEE WHAT KIND OF COMMERCIAL VALUE THESE REMAINING PLOTS HAVE AND HELP THESE PEOPLE AT LEAST GET SOMETHING FAIR OUT OF THIS, UM, PROCESS. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY ALL, I JUST WANTED TO GET ALL THAT OFF MY CHEST AND HOPE YOU ALL WILL CONSIDER THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. 
          ANYONE ELSE? I JUST WANT TO COMMEND DR. 
          JAMESON FOR THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX ON THIS, AND FOR THE EMPATHY YOU SHOWED FOR THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRULY IN A DIFFICULT SITUATION HERE. 
          UM, AND, UH, I WOULD POINT OUT THAT IF, IF THOSE LOTS WERE UNITED INTO A COMMERCIAL PARCEL, 24 ACRES OR 25 ACRES, BUT IT'S ALSO ADJACENT TO COUNTY LAND THAT, UH, WHERE THE ALL POINT IS GONNA USE FOR A FEW MONTHS. 
          UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S BIGGER POTENTIAL FOR ALL THAT TOO. 
          SO, SO, AND, AND I EMINENT SUPPORT, 
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DO I WANNA PUT THAT IN, IN, WITH YOUR, YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS, BUT IF WE APPROVE THIS, WHAT, WHAT ARE THE STEPS FORWARD TO HELP THEM? I MEAN, RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST TALKING, RIGHT? SO DO WE, YOU KNOW, UH, I MEAN, AND I'LL BE HONEST WITH EVERYONE, YOU KNOW, UH, ESPECIALLY FROM OUR BUDGET MEETING, BUDGET HEARINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THIS BRINGS IN REVENUE TO THE COUNTY, BUT THEN I ALSO UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION THAT THESE, UH, RESIDENTS ARE IN AS WELL. 
          I MEAN, IN MY MIND I'M THINKING, WELL, IF WE, YOU KNOW, REZONE THEIR PROPERTY TO COMMERCIAL, WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO MARKET IT, YOU KNOW, TO A, A DEVELOPER OR WHATNOT? AND I DON'T KNOW, I'M JUST STARTING THAT OUT THERE, RIGHT? SO IF WE, YOU KNOW, I, I, WE'RE, I AGREE WITH EVERYBODY, SO, WELL, HOW DO WE MAKE IT WORK? HOW DO WE MAKE THIS WORK? WELL, I THINK THAT, THAT THE ANSWER, FOR EXAMPLE, IS ALL WE HAVE TO DO IF WE EVEN HAVE TO DO IT IS AUTHORIZE, UH, OUR INSPECTION DEPARTMENT TO GO CREATE A BASELINE INSPECTION OF ALL THESE STRUCTURES. 
          I MEAN, I ED WELL, YOU, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO THINGS, SIR. 
          ONE IS TALKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE BOARD YEARS AGO GOT INTO THE ENTIRE AGREEMENT OF WHY YOU HAVE ALL THE SERVICES, WHY YOU SEND ALL THE MONEY TO THE TOWN, ET CETERA, BECAUSE YOU WANTED THIS CORRIDOR COMMERCIAL AND YOU BOARD, PLURAL, THE COUNTY DID. 
          THIS IS A, IT'S AN EVOLUTIONARY PROCESS AS YOU'VE SEEN EVERY SO OFTEN. 
          YOU MOVE FURTHER OUT, WE CAN DEFINITELY MEET WITH THE GROUP AND TALK TO THEM ABOUT HOW THEY CAN MARKET THEIR PROPERTY COMMERCIALLY AND HOW THEY CAN REZONE IT FOR THAT PURPOSE. 
          WE, WE CAN, WE CAN DEFINITELY DO THAT, UH, UH, PARTICULARLY IF THEY ALL AGREE THAT THEY WANT TO DO IT. 
          IT, UM, BECAUSE EVERYTHING AROUND THERE, INCLUDING THE COUNTY PROPERTY, IS THERE. 
          IT'S THAT DIRECTION. 
          UH, THE OTHER ISSUE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE COUNTY TAKING THE LIABILITY FOR WHAT SOME CONTRACTOR MAY DO IF I, WHEN PEOPLE WERE BUILDING ADJACENT TO MY PROPERTY, WHEN PEOPLE ARE BUILDING ADJACENT TO MR. BUTLER'S PROPERTY NEXT YEAR, IT BEHOOVES HIM TO HAVE HIS HOUSE INSPECTED AND BUY AN ENGINEER TO CERTIFY. 
          THESE ARE THE EXISTING CONDITIONS, BUT THE COUNTY CANNOT ACCEPT THAT LIABILITY. 
          YOU'RE TAKING ON A, REFERRING TO THE LIABILITY, HUGE LIABILITY REFERRABILITY, ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE LIABILITY OF SIMPLY INSPECTING IT? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THEN IF SOMETHING IS, SOMETHING OCCURS, THEN YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THE LEGAL ISSUES. 
          DID SOMEBODY MISS SOMETHING BACK THEN THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE PUTTING THE COUNTY IN A TERRIBLE, UH, LIABILITY, SIR. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO, SO THE, THE, UM, THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU, WHEN I SHOW UP AT A HEARING AND JUST JUST SAY STUFF, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT HAVING VETTED IT, BUT, BUT, BUT THE, THE, YOU KNOW, AND FRANKLY WE CAN DO THE OTHER WHAT, BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY HELP THEM MARKET THEIR PROPERTY. 
          WELL, LET'S PUT IT THIS WAY, UM, IN THE TIMEFRAME THAT THIS BOARD IS GONNA BE SITTING IN THESE SEATS, IF THERE'S A GOODWILL TO, TO, TO DO THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT CAN HELP MITIGATE AND HELP THEM WITH THEIR SITUATION, THAT'S WHAT WE CAN CONSIDER, UH, IF THERE'S PARTICULAR LIABILITY ISSUE AND ALL THAT. 
          WELL, GETTING A HOME INSPECTION'S NOT PARTICULARLY EXPENSIVE. 
          I THINK THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD PROBABLY HANDLE IT. 
          SO MAYBE THAT'S ONE THAT FALLS ON THE SIDE. 
          UM, AND TO YOUR POINT, YOU KNOW, MRS. COOK, UM, THE SPECIFICITY OF THOSE THINGS WON'T BE KNOWN TONIGHT. 
          SO IT'LL BE, IT'LL, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A, YOU KNOW, UH, AN INTENTION THAT'S I THINK CLEAR. 
          SO IF I CAN, CAN, CAN PERSUADE ENOUGH PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD TO FOLLOW THROUGH ON THAT INTENTION, THEN THE SPECIFICITY THAT WE NEED ISN'T, ISN'T NECESSARY TONIGHT. 
          YOU KNOW? YEAH. 
          AND, AND, YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS, IS IS PAINFUL. 
          UM, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, LIKE WHO'S BEEN WATCHING OUR BUDGET PROCESS FOR THE LAST, YOU KNOW, MANY WEEKS. 
          UM, BUT, UH, 
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YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S TOUGH. 
          AND THAT COMMERCIAL, UH, PLAN THAT THAT COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR IS THERE FOR A REASON. 
          AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I, WHEN I CAMPAIGNED, I SAID I SUPPORTED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, SO I CAN'T, I CAN'T, UH, I CAN'T UNWIND THAT. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          I, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I, I SUPPORT, UH, DR. 
          JAMESON'S, UH, STANCE ON THIS AND THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, IT, UH, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT FIVE RESIDENTS HERE WHO, UH, YOU KNOW, THROUGH NO, NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN, THEY'VE BEEN KIND OF, YOU KNOW, BUILT AROUND AND, UH, NOW, NOW THEY'RE TAKING A, A LOOK AROUND AND THEY'RE SAYING, OH GOSH, THEY'RE GONNA PUT UP THIS, THIS BIG HOTEL. 
          IT REMINDS ME, WE USED TO LIVE IN HOUSTON, AND THEY, IT'S THE STRANGEST PLACE I'VE EVER LIVED BECAUSE THE, UH, THERE WERE NO ZONING LAWS, AND YOU'D BE DRIVING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU'D TURN, TURN THE, THE CORNER AND HERE'S A 20 STORY APARTMENT BUILDING, OR, OR RATHER A 20 STORY, UH, UM, UH, OFFICE BUILDING. 
          AND I GO, HOW DOES THIS FIT IN HERE? AND I KIND OF TAKE A LOOK AT THE, AT THESE FOLKS AND THAT, UH, NOW, NOW THEY'RE SITTING THERE AND THEY, THEY'VE GOT THEIR, THEIR, THEIR PARCELS, YOU KNOW, THEIR HOUSES AND THEIR PARCELS OF LAND, AND THEY'VE GOT THIS BIG HOTEL SITTING OVER THERE. 
          SO I KIND OF AGREE WITH DR. 
          JAMON. 
          I THINK THAT THIS IS, THAT'S A SMART WAY FOR US TO MOVE. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? WELL, I WILL SAY THAT I HAD FAMILY IN, UM, SPRINGFIELD, AND THEY WERE SHOVED OUT BY MULTIMILLION DOLLAR HOMES BEING BUILT AROUND. 
          IT WASN'T A HOTEL, BUT IT, SAME THING. 
          AND, UM, SO I DO UNDERSTAND YOUR PLIGHT, BUT AS IT'S BEEN SAID, YOU KNOW, THAT IS THE CORRIDOR WHERE WE EXPECT COMMERCIAL GROWTH. 
          AND, UM, AS PAINFUL AS IT IS, AND IT DOES, I MEAN, DECISIONS ON LAND USE ARE NEVER A HUNDRED PERCENT EASY TO DO, BUT ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU COME AND YOU SAY, YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S, YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE BEING SHOVED OUT, AND I DON'T EVER WANT ANYONE TO FEEL SHOVED OUT. 
          SO, UM, I THINK THAT IS A GOOD PLAN IF, YOU KNOW, IF EVERYONE IS IN AGREEMENT THAT YOU WOULD WANNA GO TOGETHER AND SELL AS IN, IF WE CAN THROUGH THE EDA, YOU KNOW, HELP THAT PROCESS. 
          UM, AS FAR AS HOME INSPECTIONS, I, I DON'T KNOW, I GUESS YOU COULD HAVE YOUR HOMES INSPECTED NOW AND ANY FURTHER DAMAGE FROM THIS POINT THAT WOULD BE DEALT WITH, WITH THE DEVELOPER, I GUESS. 
          BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER DECISION IS MADE HERE, I, I HOPE YOU DON'T FEEL LIKE WE DIDN'T TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT A HARDSHIP IT IS ON YOU, AND IT'S NOT AN EASY DECISION FOR US AS WELL. 
          AND SAYING THAT IS THEIR EMOTION, FINDING THAT THE REQUESTED READ ZONING IS APPROPRIATE FOR PUBLIC NECESSITY AND IS IN GOOD ZONING PRACTICE. 
          AND AFTER ACCEPTING THE PROFFERED CONDITIONS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE REQUEST TO REZONE AND CHANGE THE ZONING MAP CLASSIFICATION OF THE PROPERTY IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 12 E AS PARCEL SIX FROM AGRICULTURAL TO COMMERCIAL. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          ROLL CALL. 
          MR. HENDERSON. 
          MRS. COOK? AYE. 
          DR. 
          JAMESON? AYE. 
          MADAM CHAIR? AYE. 
          MR. BUTLER? AYE. 
          MR. STANMORE AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES AND, AND WE WILL CONTACT THE PROPERTY OWNERS. 
          THANK YOU, . 
          THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO HEAR. 
          WE WILL, WE WILL DO THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          PUBLIC 
          [M. Public Hearing: CUP2023-12-03 - Foresight Design Services]
HEARING CUP 2023 DASH 12 DASH OH THREE. 
          FORESIGHT DESIGN SERVICES OR REQUEST FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR BUILDING HEIGHT IN EXCESS OF 40 FEET WITHIN THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OR OVERLAY DISTRICT AND COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT FOR A PROPOSED BUILDING HEIGHT OF 62 FEET. 
          THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 99 CEDAR COURT, CEDAR PARK COURT, AND IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP IS 12 E LOT SIX. 
          THE PROPERTY IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL A AND LOCATED IN THE VERNON L KEMP SUBDIVISION IN THE NORTH RIVER MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT. 
          MR. WENDLING? YES. 
          UM, PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING WAS SAID DURING THE REZONING PROCESS FOR THIS 
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APPLICATION. 
          UM, WE DID FIND OUT THE ADJACENT, UH, HOTEL WAS APPROVED FOR A MAXIMUM OF 60 FOOT HEIGHT, UH, AS PART OF THEIR CUP. 
          UM, THE ACTUAL HEIGHT, I BELIEVE IS, IS LESS THAN THAT. 
          OKAY? OKAY. 
          UM, AND IN, IN REFERENCE TO JUST THE, THE ZONING, UH, TIMELINE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED THIS, THAT, UM, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FROM IN 1997 CREATED, UH, A COMMERCIAL AREA TO ABOUT WHERE THE EDGE OF, UH, QUARRELS IS NOW. 
          AND THEN 2005, IT MOVED OUT TO THE EDGE OF THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY, AND THEN IN 2013, IT ENCOMPASSED ALL OF THIS SUBDIVISION. 
          SO THERE WAS A GRADUAL CHANGE IN THAT, IN THAT ZONING. 
          UM, AND, UH, I, I, FOR THE RECORD, I WILL APOLOGIZE TO MR. CLATTER BUCK. 
          I FEEL I MAY HAVE BEEN A LITTLE INSENSITIVE IN TELLING HIM HE SHOULD HAVE BOUGHT THE ADJACENT PROPERTY. 
          IT'S SOMETHING WE HEAR QUITE OFTEN, UH, YOU KNOW, AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND WHATNOT. 
          BUT THAT WAS, UH, MY, MY FAULT AND I, I WOULD APOLOGIZE TO HIM. 
          BUT ON THAT AND, UH, STAFF WILL BE, UH, VERY MUCH WILLING TO WORK WITH HIM AND HIS NEIGHBORS TO TRY AND FIND SOME RESOLUTIONS IN THIS MATTER. 
          UM, WITH THAT SAID, UH, THE COUNTY STAFF, UM, AND PLANNING COMMISSION HAS MOVED THESE, UH, THIS APPLICATION FORWARD WITH THEIR APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. 
          UH, NUMBER ONE, THE HOTEL SHALL NOT EXCEED 62 FEET IN HEIGHT. 
          NUMBER TWO, THE EXTERIOR FACADE OF THE HOTEL SHALL INCLUDE STONE OR FO STONE FACADE ACCENTS. 
          NUMBER THREE, THE ARCHITECTURAL RENDERINGS OF THE HOTEL MUST BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION DURING THE FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL PROCESS, AND APPROVED BY THE PLAINTIFF COMMISSION AS BEING IN COMPLIANCE WITH COUNTY ORDINANCES. 
          NUMBER FOUR, ALL MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT SHALL BE SHIELDED AND SCREENED FROM PUBLIC VIEW AND DESIGNED TO BE PERCEIVED AS AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE BUILDING. 
          NUMBER FIVE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS IN WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, APPLICABLE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS. 
          NUMBER SIX, A DUMPSTER TRASH COLLECTION AREA SHALL BE SCREENED FROM VIEW AS REQUIRED BY THE ZONING ORDINANCE WITH MATERIALS COHESIVE TO THE BUILDING. 
          AND NUMBER SEVEN, ALL CORRIDORS USED TO ACCESS HOTEL ROOMS SHALL BE INTERIOR TO THE HOTEL BUILDING. 
          THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED. 
          AND AGAIN, UM, I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          AND, AND, UH, JOHN IS HERE ALSO. 
          PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN. 
          WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK AGAIN, SIR? I, I'LL KEEP IT, UH, VERY BRIEF. 
          UH, APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS MR. JAMESON AND MR. GLADDER BOOK'S, COMMENTS. 
          WE CERTAINLY WANNA BE AS GOOD A NEIGHBORS AS WE CAN BE DURING CONSTRUCTION. 
          AND THEN CHIRAG WILL OWN THE HOTEL, UH, GOING FORWARD. 
          SO THEY'LL, HE'LL BE THEIR NEIGHBOR FOR HOWEVER LONG THEY DECIDE TO, TO LIVE THERE. 
          SO, UH, WE TRY TO BE AS, UH, KIND AS WE CAN TO THEM AND, AND WORK WITH THEM AS BEST AS WE CAN. 
          APPRECIATE THAT. 
          DOES HE WANT TO BUY THEIR PROPERTY? ? SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO HAVE, UM, AND THIS WAS PART OF THE WORK WITH VDOT, OUR, OUR CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT, UH, WHERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE RESTAURANT SITE HERE, WE HAVE OUR, KIND OF OUR SHARED ENTRANCE COMING UP HERE WITH THE EXTENSION THIS WAY. 
          SO THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY IN THE FUTURE IF THEY DECIDE TO, TO GO COMMERCIAL THAT COULD BE AN ENTRANCE ONTO THOSE PROPERTIES, UH, THAT WAY AS WELL AS, AS A POSSIBILITY. 
          BUT, UM, NO, NO INTENTION FOR THAT, BUT THAT COULD HAPPEN. 
          I HAVE A, YEAH, I HAVE A SPECIFIC QUESTION ABOUT THIS. 
          UH, W WHY IS IT GONNA BE FIVE STORIES INSTEAD OF FOUR? WHAT'S THE DRIVING FACTOR HERE? JUST THE, THE, THE MARKET, UH, NEEDS FOR THE NUMBER OF ROOMS AND THE, ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO PUT IN A MODERN HOTEL AS FAR AS MEETING SPACE AND THE, THE KITCHEN AREA AND THE LAUNDRY AND, AND ALL THAT TYPE OF STUFF. 
          AND THEN THE NUMBER, THE ROOM COUNT THAT THEY KIND OF NEED TO MAKE THE, THE NUMBERS WORK FROM THE ECONOMICS. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          IT'S AN ECONOMIC, UH, YES SIR. 
          YEAH, I, I, I WENT TO LOWE'S YESTERDAY AND, AND AS I WAS DRIVING BY THE MARRIOTT, I MEAN I SAW MOST OF THE SIGN, SEEN 30 OF THOSE, UH, BORDER PATROL VEHICLES AND I FIGURED, BOY, THEY ARE BOOKED. 
          AND SO I CAN UNDERSTAND. 
          ANOTHER, ANOTHER QUESTION IS, UM, THIS IS REFLECTS MY LACK OF EXPERIENCE WITH THIS, BUT, UM, THE DESIGN OF THE THING THAT GO, GO THROUGH A PROCESS, A APPROVAL PROCESS WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, LIKE THE, THE, FOR 
          [03:25:01]
EXAMPLE, THE AESTHETICS, I MEAN, IS THAT YES, UH, THE DESIGN ON THIS, IT, WE FOLLOW THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT STANDARDS, UH, STAFF REVIEWS THAT WE SUBMIT IT FOR AGENCY COMMENTS TO ALL NECESSARY AGENCIES, UH, UH, MR. BEAM AND, AND THE UH, UH, TOWN SEWER AND WATER. 
          WE GET THAT, WE REVIEW IT OURSELVES FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT. 
          ONCE WE GO BACK AND FORTH, WE GET A FINAL SITE PLAN FOR APPROVAL, UH, FOR BY RIGHT SITE PLANS, THEY WILL GO IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THEIR RE REVIEW OF FINAL APPROVAL. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          AND THAT WILL INCLUDE AS IT WAS IN THOSE CONDITIONS, THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEVATIONS AND RENDERING. 
          SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL BE ABLE TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE BEFORE WE GET THROUGH THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL PROCESS. 
          AND I HEARD STONE MENTIONED, I MEAN, SO YOU ACTUALLY GET INVOLVED IN SPECIFYING SOME MATERIALS? YEAH, WE LOOK AT THE WHATEVER THEY SUBMIT AND WE CAN DENY, YOU KNOW, HOW IT LOOKS. 
          IT HAS TO BE COHESIVE AND UNIFORM WITH THE REST OF THE CORRIDOR IN THAT AREA. 
          WE LOOK FOR EARTH AND TONE ACCESS, ALL THAT KIND OF REFLECT THAT CONTIGUOUS DESIGN OF BUILDINGS THROUGHOUT THE CORRIDOR. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU ALL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I I I HAVE TWO, I HAVE TWO OTHER QUESTIONS. 
          UM, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE NAME OF THE, THE HOTEL CHAIN AND WHAT'S THE NAME OF THE RESTAURANT CHAIN? UH, YES SIR. 
          UM, SO WE DO NOT KNOW THE RESTAURANT AT THIS TIME. 
          UNSURE. 
          WE'RE WORKING ON MARKETING THAT UH, THE HOTEL IS GONNA BE A HOLIDAY INN EXPRESS. 
          HMM. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MAKE SURE IT'S A DENNY'S 'CAUSE I LIKE THEIR Q DENNY'S PIE. 
          DENNYS GRAND SLAM. 
          YES SIR. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          MR. HENDERSON, HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK AT THIS ONE? UH, NO MA'AM. 
          WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SECOND CALL. 
          THIRD AND FINAL PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST FOR FORESIGHT DESIGN SERVICES FOR A HOTEL WITH A MAX MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 62 FEET IN THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT WITH CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND WILL CALL MR. HENDERSON. 
          MR. STAN MEYER? AYE. 
          MR. BUTLER? AYE. 
          MADAM CHAIR? AYE. 
          DR. 
          JAMESON? AYE. 
          MRS. SCOTT AYE. 
          MOVING 
          [N. Public Hearing - Lease Agreement of Hangar A2 to Edward Carroll - Jane Meadows, Deputy County Administrator , Mike Berry, Public Works Director]
ON. 
          PUBLIC HEARING MR. BARRY, ARE YOU READY? . 
          READY LEASE AGREEMENT OF HANGAR A TWO TO EDWARD CARROLL. 
          ALRIGHT, I'M THE EASY ONE TONIGHT, HUH?  COUNTY. 
          I'D LIKE TO LEASE HANGAR A TWO LOCATED AT 2 2 9 STOKES AIRPORT ROAD FRONT ROLL TO EDWARD CARROLL FOR THE MONTHLY RENT OF $350 A MONTH. 
          UM, THIS HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED AND I'M GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN. 
          ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. BERRY? IF NOT MR. HENDERSON, IS ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? NO MA'AM. 
          WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK SECOND CALL. 
          THIRD AND FINAL CALL. 
          PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. 
          IS THERE A MOTION I MOVE? THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVED THE LEASE OF HANGER A TWO LOCATED AT 2 29 STOKES AIRPORT ROAD, FRONT ROW, VIRGINIA 2 2 3 6 OH WITH EDWARD CARROLL FOR A MONTHLY RENT OF $350. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          ROLL CALL MR. HENDERSON. 
          MRS. COOK AYE. 
          DR. 
          JAMON AYE. 
          MADAM CHAIR? AYE. 
          MR. BUTLER? AYE. 
          MR. SANDMEYER AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES 
          [O. Public Hearing - Lease Agreement of Hangar B12 to Kirk McComas - Jane Meadows, Deputy County Administrator , Mike Berry, Public Works Director]
PUBLIC HEARING LEASE AGREEMENT OF HANGAR B12 TO KIRK MCCOMBS MR. BERRY COUNTY WOULD LIKE THE LEASE HANGAR B12 LOCATED AT 2 2 9 STOKES AIRPORT ROAD FRONT RULE TO KURT MCCOMBS FOR THE MONTHLY RENT OF $350. 
          THIS HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED. 
          GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BERRY? MR. HENDERSON, IS ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR THIS ONE? NO MA'AM. 
          WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK SECOND CALL. 
          THIRD AND FINAL CALL. 
          PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. 
          IS THERE A MOTION? MADAM CHAIR? I MOVE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE LEASE AGREEMENT OF HANGAR B12 LOCATED AT 2 2 9 STOKES AIRPORT ROAD FRONT ROYAL VIRGINIA 2 2 6 3 0 WITH KIRK COMAS FOR A MONTHLY RENT OF $350. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          ROLL CALL MR. HENDERSON. 
          MR. STANIER? AYE. 
          MR. BUTLER? AYE. 
          MADAM CHAIR? AYE. 
          DR. 
          JAMERSON? AYE. 
          MRS. COOK AYE. 
          PUBLIC 
          [P. Public Hearing - Lease Agreement of 201 East 2nd Street, Front Royal, VA 22630, The Chamber of Commerce of Front Royal and Warren County]
HEARING LEASE OF, UM, AGREEMENT OF 2 0 1 EAST SECOND STREET. 
          AND 
          [03:30:01]
IS THIS GONNA BE MS. MEADOWS OR MS. BERRY? SHE YOU'VE BEEN ELECTED . 
          I NEED THE, UH, I DON'T HAVE THAT ONE WITH ME. 
          UM, THE NEXT 2 0 1 SECOND. 
          YEAH, SO THE, SINCE THE CHAMBER BUILDING BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BUILDING ITSELF? PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? SO THIS IS THE LEASE FOR THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, IS THAT CORRECT? YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          MR. HENDERSON, HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS? NO MA'AM. 
          WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SECOND CALL. 
          THIRD AND FINAL PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. 
          IS THERE A MOTION? MADAM CHAIR? I MOVE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE LEASE OF 2 0 1 EAST SECOND STREET FOR ROYAL VIRGINIA 2 2 6 3 0 WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE FOR A MONTHLY RENT OF $1,400. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          ROLL CALL. 
          MR. HENDERSON. 
          MRS. COOK? AYE. 
          DR. 
          JAMESON? AYE. 
          MADAM CHAIR? AYE. 
          MR. BUTLER? AYE. 
          MR. STEINMEYER? AYE. 
          OKAY. 
          PUBLIC HEARING 
          [Q. Public Hearing - Storage Yard Lease - Jason Ham - Jason Ham, County Attorney]
STORAGE YARD LEASE. 
          MR. HAM ONE ON THE BOARDS PRIOR IS BROADBAND AND THIS IS A MUSTERING AREA FOR THE, UH, COMPANY THAT'S INSTALLING THE BROADBAND. 
          UH, THEIR ATTORNEY, TY LAWSON IS HERE. 
          UM, THE LEASE, IT'S A 10 ACRE VACANT PARCEL THAT WAS USED BY DOMINION POWER TO, FOR THEIR BUILDING CONSTRUCTION. 
          I THINK Y'ALL GENERALLY KNOW ABOUT IT. 
          IT'S A $3,000 A MONTH, UH, RENT, 5% ESCALATION CLAUSE AFTER THE FIRST YEAR. 
          UM, SO IT'S A ONE YEAR TERM AND THEN IT GOES MONTH TO MONTH. 
          BUT IT'S A SIX MONTH CALCULATE, UH, CANCELLATION BY EITHER PARTY. 
          IF THE COUNTY NEEDS IT, WE GIVE THEM SIX MONTHS NOTICE. 
          OTHER WAY AROUND SIX MONTHS. 
          SIX MONTHS NOTICE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THERE IS AN INDEMNIFICATION CLAUSE AND THE TENANT WHERE THE TENANT INDEMNIFIES THE COUNTY FOR ANY PROBLEM AND THEY HAVE A $2 MILLION INSURANCE POLICY. 
          UM, THEY HAD, UH, THEIR ATTORNEY, MR. LAWSON HAD SOME, SOME CHANGES TO THE LEASE, WHICH WERE REASONABLE, MOST OF WHICH I ACCEPTED. 
          AND SO THIS IS READY FOR BOARD ACTION. 
          THE, UH, LEASE WOULD COMMENCE ON APRIL. 
          THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN. 
          QUESTIONS FOR MR. HAM, HOW DID WE DETERMINE THE, THE RENT? UM, I I'M NOT SURE THAT, UH, WAS JOE, JOE PETTY . 
          I DIDN'T WANT TO SAY THAT. 
          THE ANSWER IS YES. 
          JOE TOLD ME WHAT THE, UH, RENT TERM WAS, SO I'LL DEFER TO HIM. 
          JOE LOOKED AT THE MARKET DUMB. 
          HE LOOKED AT THE MARKET. 
          WE HAD OTHER PROPERTIES RELATED TO THE COUNTY WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT DIDN'T WORK OUT AND SO WE USED THAT SAME RATE FOR THIS PROPERTY. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          I I FIGURED HE LOOKED AT THE CLOCK AND IT HAPPENED TO BE THREE O'CLOCK AND HE GOES, SIR, $3,000. 
          NO SIR. 
          ARE  ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF MR. HAN? IF NOT THEN MR. HENDERSON, HAS ANYONE ELSE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? NO MA'AM. 
          WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SECOND CALL, THIRD CALL. 
          PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. 
          I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY I'M HOPING THEY GET THERE AND GET SOME WIRES STARTED FOR BROADBAND. 
          THIS GIVES THEM A REASON TO GET UP HERE MA'AM. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION? MADAM CHAIR, I GO AHEAD. 
          I MOVE THAT THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR BE AUTHORIZED TO ENTER A STORAGE YARD LEASE WITH F-D-M-S-L-L-C AT SUCH TERMS AND CONDITIONS AS DETERMINED BY THE COUNTER ADMINISTRATOR IN CONSULTATION WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          ROLL CALL MR. HENDERSON. 
          MR. STEINMEYER? AYE. 
          MR. BUTLER? AYE. 
          MADAM CHAIR? AYE. 
          DR. 
          JAMESON? AYE. 
          MRS. COOK? AYE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WE ARE FINISHED WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING SECTION AND WE ARE BACK TO BOARD REPORTS IN DR. 
          DALEY. 
          THANK YOU MA'AM. 
          I'LL SEE YOU THIRSTY. 
          SHORT AND SWEET MR. HAM. 
          I HAVE NO REPORT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          [D. Consent Agenda]
THAT PUTS US TO, UH, THE CONSENT 
          [03:35:01]
AGENDA. 
          ARE THERE ANY ITEMS TO PULL FOR DISCUSSION? YES MA'AM. 
          THERE IS ONE. 
          I'M TRYING TO PULL IT UP. 
          IT'S THE SCHOOL BOARD APPROPRIATION. 
          I'M TRYING TO GET THE, THE NUMBER HERE. 
          UM, NUMBER FIVE. 
          NUMBER FIVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES MA'AM. 
          CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO REMOVE THE WARRANT. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          ANY OTHER ITEMS BE PULLED OTHER THAN NUMBER FIVE? OKAY. 
          IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH THE EXCLUSION OF ITEM FIVE? SO MOVED. 
          MADAM CHAIR. 
          IS THERE SECOND? SECOND. 
          ROLL CALL. 
          MR. HENDERSON. 
          MRS. COOK? AYE. 
          DR. 
          JAMERSON? AYE. 
          MADAM CHAIR? AYE. 
          MR. BUTLER? AYE. 
          MR. STANMORE? AYE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND 
          [D.5. Warren County Public Schools - Appropriation from School Capital Reserve Fund - Christopher Ballenger ]
MRS. COOK, YOU'RE ITEM FIVE? YEAH, I JUST WANNA JUST UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE. 
          I'M PULLING IT UP RIGHT NOW. 
          SO THIS IS FOR THIS CURRENT YEAR THAT THEY WANT TO DO THIS, IS THAT CORRECT? BECAUSE I DON'T SEE, SO IS THAT CORRECT THAT THEY WANT US TO APPROPRIATE 308 K FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR? YES MA'AM. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          THEY HAVE SOME INVOICES THAT THEY NEED NEED TO PAY AND SO THIS AMOUNT IS GONE IS GOING TO BE APPROPRIATED FROM THE COUNTY'S CAPITAL RESERVE ACCOUNT, WHICH IS WHERE IT'S BEEN APPROPRIATED CURRENTLY INTO THE SCHOOL'S FUND. 
          SO IT'S IT, AND PLEASE HELP ME WITH THIS 'CAUSE UM, I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT THE, THE, UH, THE FUNDING FOR THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FOR THE SCHOOL WAS IN THEIR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUNDING CODE. 
          SO ARE WE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT FUNDS? THIS IS PART OF THE MONEY THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, THIS 5.1 MILLION FOUR TWO I THINK IT IS THAT WE HAVE AND WE KEEP FOR SCHOOLS CAPITAL AND WE ALLOCATE IT AS THEY USE IT. 
          SO AN EXAMPLE RIGHT NOW IS THEY, UM, USE MONEY AT LFK. 
          THEY SEND US THE BILL NOW BECAUSE THEY'VE REACHED WHERE THEY'RE USING COUNTY FUNDS AND THIS MONEY WAS SITTING THERE UN-DESIGNATED ORIGINALLY TO GO TO LFK. 
          SO IT WAS DESIGNATED IT'S NOT CORRECT, BUT THEY WANT TO MOVE THIS OVER FOR E WILSON. 
          IT'S THE SAME MONEY THAT THEY HAD BEFORE. 
          IT'S IN THE SAME ACCOUNT. 
          IT IS, IT IS NOT NEW. 
          ANY NEW MONEY AT ALL MA'AM? MM-HMM. 
          , UH, THIS IS THE MONEY WE'D ALREADY RESERVED IN THERE. 
          SO THE, UH, SO LFK CAME UNDER, UNDER BUDGET THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO BEGIN WORK? THIS IS PART OF YES, THE EXACT AMOUNT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          THE EXACT AMOUNT IT'S GOING TO BE, WE DON'T KNOW, BUT IT'S GONNA BE MORE THAN THIS. 
          THEY HAD A 500,000 CONTINGENCY LINE BUILT IN AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY'RE AT A POINT WHERE THEY FEEL COMFORTABLE WHERE THEY ARE WITH THE PROCESS OF LFK THAT THEY CAN MOVE THIS OVER OUT OF THE CONTINGENCY PART OF THAT MONEY. 
          UM, BECAUSE SOME OF THE WORK ON E WILSON HAS ALREADY BEGUN THE ARCHITECTURAL WORK AND I THINK, I'M NOT SURE THEY WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND START, UM, THIS MONTH, BUT I THINK THE SCHOOL DECIDED TO HOLD THEM OFF A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE OF THE KIDS BEING IN THE SCHOOL. 
          CORRECT. 
          UM, BUT THEY STILL HAVE ENCOURAGED SOME COST FOR THAT ARCHITECTURAL PART AND SO FORTH. 
          SO WHAT THEY'VE DONE IS THAT THEY'RE USING THEIR, UM, MONEY OUT OF THEIR CONTINGENCY FUND TO, TO BEGIN WORK AND THEN THE APPROPRIATION THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR, WE'RE GONNA BACKFILL THEIR CONTINGENCY FUND. 
          NO, THEY HAVEN'T. 
          OH, THEY THEY HAVEN'T PULLED ANY MONEY YET. 
          THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR THIS MONEY. 
          THEY'RE NOT GONNA NEED THE CONTINGENCY. 
          OKAY. 
          LFK, THEY'RE CLOSE ENOUGH TO BEING COMPLETE THAT THEY'RE PROJECTING THEY'RE GOING TO BE APPROXIMATELY 600,000 BELOW ON THE ENTIRE PROJECT. 
          OKAY. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          AND THERE'S GONNA BE A REQUEST NEXT WEEK FOR A LITTLE OVER 4 MILLION TO BE APPROPRIATED TO THE SCHOOLS AS WELL. 
          THIS MONEY IS ALREADY SET ASIDE FOR THE SCHOOLS IN THE, IN THE COUNTY CAPITAL BUDGET. 
          AS THE INVOICES COME THROUGH, IT'LL BE APPROVED. 
          THE, THE REQUEST IS FOR THE FINANCE DIRECTOR TO APPROVE THE CHECKS FROM THE SCHOOL. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, SO THEY WON'T HAVE TO CONTINUOUSLY COME TO THE BOARD AS THEY WANT TO PAY THESE INVOICES. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT WE'RE NOT 
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ALSO, WE'RE NOT GIVING THEM ALL THE MONEY UPFRONT EITHER. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO IT WORKS FOR BOTH OF US. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THE MONEY WAS BEING MOVED. 
          SO, RIGHT. 
          THIS IS NOT NEW MONEY. 
          THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN IN THE ACCOUNT. 
          IT'S, AND UM, AND BECAUSE THEY BECAME, IT LOOKS LIKE BECAUSE THE, THEY CAME UNDER BUDGET FROM THEIR PROFIT CORRECT. 
          UH, FROM THEIR PROJECT, WHICH IS GREAT NEWS THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO, TO GO OFF BECAUSE I KNOW THIS WAS PLANNED ANYWAY FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR. 
          I JUST, FOR SOME I JUST KEEP THINKING WHEN THEY WERE, UH, DURING LAST YEAR'S BUDGET COMMITTEE, THEY WERE SAYING SOMETHING LIKE 200 K, BUT YOU KNOW, I KNOW INFLATION, SO THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING. 
          SURE. 
          IS THERE A MOTION ON THIS ITEM? THANK YOU. 
          I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE REQUEST OF WARREN COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS TO APPROPRIATE 308,200 FROM THE CAPITAL RESERVE FUND FOR THE CONVERSION OF E WILSON MORRISON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AUDITORIUM INTO A MULTI-PURPOSE ROOM. 
          I FURTHER MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AUTHORIZED THE TREASURE TO TRANSFER THE SCHOOL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS FUND ON AN, ON AN NEEDED BASIS FOR THOSE AMOUNTS UP TO THE 308,200 TOTAL NECESSARY TO COVER APPROVED PROJECT PROGRESS PAYMENTS AS THEY ARE SUBMITTED WITH A LAWYER. 
          WRITE THIS. 
          NO , I'M SORRY. 
          JASON , DID YOU GET THROUGH IT? I GOT THROUGH IT. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          ROB PAUL. 
          MR. HENDERSON, MR. STANIER? AYE. 
          MR. BUTLER? AYE. 
          MADAM CHAIR? AYE. 
          DR. 
          JAMISON? AYE. 
          MRS. COOK? AYE. 
          , IF THERE IS NO FURTHER NEW BUSINESS, IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SO MOVED. 
          MADAM CHAIR. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          MEETINGS ADJOURNED.
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