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I KNOW MIKE SON.[I. Call to Order ]
HEY LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, AT SEVEN O'CLOCK WE'LL CALL THE MARCH 13TH, 2024 MEETING IN WARREN COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSIONED ORDER.FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
PLEASE RISE AS YOU'RE ABLE TO REMOVE YOUR HATS.
PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO FLAG UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, EVERYTHING IN JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[III. Adoption of the Agenda ]
ITEM NOW IS THE ADOPT ADOPTION OF OUR AGENDA.MR. CHAIRMAN, MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE AGENDA AS PRESENTED.
[IV. Adoption of the Regular Meeting Minutes ]
ITEM IS ADOPTION OF THE REGULAR MEETING MINUTES OF FEBRUARY 14TH, 2024.MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED.
NEXT ITEM IS PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS.
PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS ARE LIMITED TO ISSUES THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED ON THE MEETING AGENDA AND IS INTENDED AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC TO GIVE INPUT ON RELATIVE RELEVANT PLANNING ISSUES AND NOT INTENDED AS A QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ON YOUR MIND, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS BY OUR LAWS.
WE'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK BUT SO HAS ANYBODY GOT ANYTHING? SO NO ONE COME FORWARD.
[VI.A. CUP2023-12-02 - Catholic Diocese of Arlington - A request for a conditional use permit for a Church. The property is located at (0) West Criser Road and identified on tax map 28, lot 128. The property is zoned Agricultural (A) and located in the Criser Road LLC – Eastham subdivision and in the South River Magisterial District. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator ]
INTO OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS AND WE HAVE FOUR TONIGHT.FIRST ONE, CUP 20 23 0 12 0 2 CATHOLIC DIOCESE OF ARLINGTON.
REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A CHURCH PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT ZERO WEST CRIER ROAD IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 28 LOT 1 28.
PROPERTY IS OWNED AGRICULTURAL LOCATED IN THE KREER ROAD.
LLC EASTHAM SUBDIVISION ON THE SOUTH RIVER MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.
THE CATHOLIC DIOCESE OF ARLINGTON IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A CHURCH FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE CORNER OF WEST KREER ROAD AND LARE AVENUE AND IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 28 IS LOT 1 28, WHICH IS CURRENTLY OWNED BY KREER ROAD LLC.
THE APPLICANT INTENDS TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY WITH A 10,690 SQUARE FOOT CHAPEL AND A 10,500 SQUARE FOOT AUXILIARY SUPPORT BUILDING WITH ASSOCIATED PARKING AREAS.
CONCEPT DEVELOPMENT PLAN PREPARED BY GREENWAY ENGINEERING WAS SUBMITTED AS A SUPPLEMENT FOR THIS APPLICATION AND PER THE CONCEPT DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE PROPOSED CHAPEL WILL INCLUDE 600 SEATS.
THE PROPERTY IS PROPOSED TO BE ACCESSED FROM WEST RYER ROAD, WHICH IS REGULATED MAINTAINED BY TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL PUBLIC WORKS.
A PORTION OF THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA.
FLOOD ZONE AE, WHICH IS THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN AND NEARLY THE ENTIRE FRONTAGE OF THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN FLOOD ZONE X SHADED, WHICH FEMA CONSIDERS THE MODERATE RISK FLOOD ZONE 500 YEAR FLOODPLAIN.
THE APPLICANT PLANS TO SITUATE THE PROPOSED BUILDINGS PARKING AREAS AND ENTRANCE OUTSIDE OF THE SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA.
IF APPROVED FOR AN OUT OF TOWN UTILITY CONNECTION BY THE FRONT ROYAL TOWN COUNCIL.
THE PROPERTY WILL BE SERVED BY PUBLIC SEWER AND WATER.
HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED THAT THEY WILL PROCEED WITH THE PERMITTING PROCESS FOR PRIVATE WELL AND ONSITE SEWAGE DISPOSAL SYSTEM THROUGH THE WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT IF THE REQUEST FOR OUT OF 10 UTILITY CONNECTIONS IS NOT APPROVED.
UH, SO THERE ARE NO SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS FOR A CHURCH.
UH, DEFINITION IS A PLACE WHERE PERSONS REGULARLY ASSEMBLE EXCLUSIVELY FOR WORSHIP.
THE TERM CHURCH INCLUDES THE TERM SYNAGOGUE, MOSQUE, MONASTERY, OR OTHER TERMS FOR A HOUSE OF WORSHIP AND SHALL INCLUDE WHERE APPROPRIATE REAL ESTATE OF NOT MORE THAN 250 ACRES PROVIDED THAT SUCH ACREAGE IS OR IS TO BE DEVOTED EXCLUSIVELY TO A CHURCH BUILDING.
CHAPEL MONASTERY CEMETERY OFFICES USED ONLY FOR ADMINISTRATIVE PURPOSES OF THE CHURCH A SUNDAY SCHOOL BUILDING CHURCH MANS PARSONAGE OR RECTORY PLAYGROUNDS, RECREATION AREAS OR PARKING LOTS FOR THE CONVENIENCE OF THOSE ATTENDING.
UM, WE ARE INCLUDING, UH, A LIST OF RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WHICH I WILL, UH, READ TO YOU NOW.
UH, CONDITION NUMBER ONE, THE CHAPEL OCCUPANCY SHALL NOT EXCEED THE NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS DETERMINED BY THE VIRGINIA UNIFORM STATEWIDE BUILDING CODE NUMBER TWO, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY, WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND
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VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.NUMBER THREE, THE APPLICANT SHALL SUBMIT A SITE PLAN SHOWING PARCEL BOUNDARIES, PROPOSED BUILDING FOOTPRINTS, DIMENSIONS OF PROPOSED BUILDINGS, SETBACKS FROM BUILDINGS TO NEAREST PROPERTY BOUNDARIES, INGRESS EGRESS, INTERNAL ACCESS ROADS, OUTDOOR LIGHTING PARKING INCLUDING HANDICAP PARKING AND PUBLIC UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE EASEMENTS FOR PRIVATE WELL SEPTIC AND DRAIN FIELD LOCATIONS TO THE COUNTY PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF BUILDING AND ZONING PERMITS.
NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT SHALL MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION 180 DASH 15 FOR OFF STREET PARKING FOR A CHURCH IN CODE SECTION 180 DASH 49.2 FOR OUTDOOR LIGHTING.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED AND A REPRESENTATIVE GREENWAY ENGINEERING IS HERE THIS EVENING.
UM, DOES REPRESENTATIVE OR LIKE A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE CHURCH HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? GOOD EVENING.
MARISSA WHITAKER WITH GREENWAY ENGINEERING.
EVERYTHING THAT HE STATED IS VERY ACCURATE.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THE CHURCH THAT IS CURRENTLY IN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONE.
UM, IN THE PROCESS, THE CHURCH HAS SUBMITTED APPLICATION TO THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL FOR OUT OF TOWN UTILITY AND AT THIS TIME THERE HAS BEEN NO DECISION MADE BY THE TOWN COUNCIL.
WE ARE HOPING TO BE ON THEIR AGENDA FOR PUBLIC HEARING MARCH 25TH, BUT WE'RE NOT STARTING OF THAT YET.
WITH THAT WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AS I'VE STATED, YOU'VE GOT LIKE THREE MINUTES AND BE TIMED.
THE OTHER ONE I WOULD LIKE TO STATE ON THIS JUST FOR A MATTER OF EXPEDIENCY, IF SOMEONE GETS UP AND MAKE A POINT WHEN IT'S YOUR TIME TO SPEAK.
IF YOU AGREE WITH 'EM, YOU DON'T NEED TO MAKE THE POINT AGAIN, JUST SAY YOU AGREE WITH SO AND SO AND WE WILL DULY NOTE IT AND GO FROM THERE.
SO WHO'S THE FIRST ONE? ALLISON ISRAEL BRUTS.
I'M THE PASTOR OF THE CHURCH ON, UH, THE HOUSE OF JACOB.
UH, FOR YOU NAME AND ADDRESS FOR US, UH, ISRAEL BROOKS, UH, 5 86 CURWOOD AVENUE.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
DEFINITELY WELCOME TO THE COMPANY.
UH, JUST THE ACCESS, HOW, UH, YOU SAID WEST KAISER ROAD, UH, IS THAT THE MAP THERE OR? YES, THAT IS.
AND THIS, UH, WHITAKER, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT IT'LL BE KIND OF TOWARDS THIS CORNER, CORRECT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
UH, THERE'S A LOT, DEFINITELY A LOT, A LOT OF TRAFFIC GOING DOWN THERE TO THE RIVER NOW.
SO JUST WANTED TO SEE HOW IT WAS ACCESSED AND WE SAID IT WAS IN THE FLOOD PLAIN.
SO HOW ARE YOU GONNA WORK AROUND THAT OR, UH, SO SORRY, YOU SORRY, YOUR COMMENTS STUFF, SIR.
I'M JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND THAT BETTER.
JUST HOW THE, IN THE FLOOD PLAIN, UH, 'CAUSE I NOTICED OVER THE YEARS IT DEFINITELY FLOODED A LOT THERE.
SO WAS THE CHURCH GONNA BE SET BACK ON THE HILL SIDE OR, OR HOW WOULD I GET SOME MORE INFORMATION? I'M, I'M CERTAIN THAT, I'M CERTAIN THAT CAN COME UP IN DISCUSSIONS, NOT WILL ADDRESS IT.
IS THERE ANY OTHER INFORMATION THAT I COULD GET, LIKE JUST THE COPY OF THAT OR, UH, THAT WOULD BE THROUGH THE TOWN STAFF.
OKAY, NOW WITH THAT, ANYONE ELSE CARE TO SPEAK? IT DIDN'T SIGN UP.
SEEING NO ONE COME FORWARD, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
I'M CERTAIN THAT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF ADDRESSING THE PASTOR'S POINT THAT EVERYTHING, THE BUILDING AND EVERYTHING IS OUTSIDE OF THE FLOOD ZONE.
IF YOU'LL REFER TO THE CONCEPTUAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, IT HAS ACTUALLY SKETCHED IN THE FULL PLANE LINE AND IT, IT'S PRETTY EASY TO TELL THAT THE BUILDINGS WILL BE ENTIRELY OUTSIDE OF THE OKAY, THAT'S, I SAW IT, BUT I'M YOU'RE JUST, OKAY.
I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH IT.
YEAH, YEAH, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT TOO.
UM, I, YOU KNOW, I KNOW IT'S A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE APPLICANT LEAVE, UH, AN EASEMENT FOR THE TOWN TO ADD, UM, CURB AND GUTTER AND SIDEWALK AT SOME POINT.
UM, JUST BECAUSE IT IS BORDERING TOWN, UM, I KNOW IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CAN MANDATE, BUT I, I WOULD LIKE TO PUT THAT OUT THERE AS A NICE TO HAVE.
WOULD YOU LIKE A RESPONSE TO THAT? UH,
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SURE.IT CERTAINLY DOESN'T PREVENT THEM FROM DOING IT, BUT, UM, THE INSTALLATION OF THE SIDEWALK IN LEGAL'S VIEW IS, IS NOT REALLY SOMETHING THAT IS RELATED TO THE CHURCH AS MUCH AS IT IS AN OVERALL PLANNING FEATURE.
SO PREFER NOT INCLUDING IT AS A CONDITION ON THIS ITEM.
YEAH, YEAH, NO, ALSO TOO, THAT'S, THAT'S A TALENT THING.
SO YEAH, THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING.
I KNOW, YOU KNOW, BUT YEAH, THAT'S, YEAH.
YEAH, NOTHING WE COULD EXPRESS OUR WISHES, BUT THAT'S ABOUT IT.
NOT NOT SAYING, NOT SAYING ANYTHING OTHER THAN IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE.
I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST OF THE CATHOLIC DIOCESE OF ARLINGTON FOR A CHURCH WITH CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
SECOND I THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
OPPOSED, UNANIMOUS IT'LL BE PASSED ON TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROXIMATELY A MONTH.
[VI.B. CUP2024-02-01 - David Kamminga (Hill of Beans, Inc.) - A request for a conditional use permit for a Short-Term Tourist Rental. The property is located at 331 Pomeroy Rd. and identified on tax map 38A, lot 4. The property is zoned Agricultural (A) and located in the Harmony Hollow subdivision and the South River Magisterial District. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator ]
SECOND PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT, CUP 20 24 0 2 0 1 DAVID MINGA HILL OF BEANS ZE INCORPORATED REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 3 31 POMEROY ROAD IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 38.A LOT FOUR PROPERTY IS OWNED AGRICULTURAL LOCATED IN THE HARMONY HOLLOW SUBDIVISION IN THE SOUTH RIVER MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.
MR. LIN, AGAIN, THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORT-TERM TOURIST SHUTTLE FOR THE PROPERTY HE PURCHASED IN AUGUST OF 2020.
THE OWNER WOULD LIKE TO MAKE HIS PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR SHORT-TERM LODGING FOR VISITING NATURE ENTHUSIASTS, FAMILIES AND INDIVIDUALS SEEKING A PEACEFUL RETREAT IN A SERENE AND COMFORTABLE SETTING.
THE APPLICANT WILL MANAGE THE PROPERTY PERSONALLY WITH ASSISTANCE FROM A LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGER.
I MENTIONED IT IS IN THE HARMONY HOLLOW SUBDIVISION.
WE HAVE A FEW, UH, IN, UH, SHORT TERM RENTALS APPROVED FOR THAT SUBDIVISION IN THE ADJACENT, UH, SUBDIVISION OFF OF HARMONY ORCHARD AND THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT PROVING A MAXIMUM OF SIX OCCUPANTS FOR THE THREE BEDROOM DWELLING.
THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED THEIR PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN AND THE DWELLING DOES MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT TO ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS WITH THE CLOSEST DWELLING BEING 290 FEET TO THE SOUTHWEST.
UM, THE PROPERTY IS ADJACENT TO THE FOUR H PROPERTY AND I BELIEVE, UH, WELL FEDERALLY OWNED PROPERTY, I'M NOT SURE WHICH
UM, BUT AS FAR AS THE RECOMMENDED CONDITION IS THE STANDARD CONDITIONS, I'LL READ THROUGH THEM FOR THIS FIRST APPLICATION AND FOR THE SUBSEQUENT SHORT-TERM RENTAL APPLICATIONS, UH, I'LL JUST LET YOU KNOW WHAT'S DIFFERENT.
UH, CONDITION NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS IN VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.
NUMBER TWO, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED THE SYSTEM CAPACITY AS DETERMINED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT PER PER WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION 180 DASH 56.4 B.
THE CERTIFICATE OF ZONING SHALL ONLY BE ISSUED WITH APPROVED HEALTH DEPARTMENT RECORDS.
NUMBER THREE, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE WELL WATER TESTED ANNUALLY FOR E COLINE AND COLIFORM BACTERIA AND A COPY OF THE RESULTS SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING AND HEALTH DEPARTMENTS.
NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM INSPECTED ANNUALLY BY A STATE LICENSE INSPECTOR AND A COPY OF THE RESULTS SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING AND HEALTH DEPARTMENTS.
THE SYSTEM SHALL ALSO BE SERVICED EVERY FIVE YEARS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, AND A COPY OF THE SERVICE INVOICE SHALL BE PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
THE DISCHARGE OF FIREARMS AND HUNTING ON THE PROPERTY BY GEH SHALL BE PROHIBITED.
NUMBER SIX, THE USE OF ALL TERRAIN VEHICLES BY GUESTS ON THE PROPERTY AND ON STATE AND COUNTY ROAD SHALL BE PROHIBITED.
AND NUMBER SEVEN, OUTDOOR BURNING AND USE OF FIREWORKS BY GUESTS SHALL BE PROHIBITED.
UH, THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.
JASON PROPERTY OWNER IS NOTIFIED AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US.
ALRIGHT, UH, ANYTHING TO ADD TO THE COUNTY COMMENTS FOR THE APPLICANT? FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, MA'AM IT'S NOT THE PUBLIC HEARING'S NOT OPEN YET.
UM, MY HUSBAND HAROLD BOSCH AND I PURCHASED THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE AHEAD OF THE, THIS IS FOR THE APPLICANT TO ADDRESS BEFORE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE'LL GET TO YOU IN JUST A SECOND.
DOWN RIGHT THERE IN THE FRONT.
SAY RIGHT THERE IN THE FRONT, FRONT IS FINE.
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I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.UH, PLEASE, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
YOU WANT THE ADDRESS OF THE PROPERTY? UH, BY STATE LAW WE HAVE TO, YES.
3 3 1 POMEROY, UH, FRONT ROW OF VIRGINIA.
UM, PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING IS OUTLAW OUTLINED THERE.
I DO HAVE A PROPERTY MANAGER THAT WILL ASSIST ME.
WE WERE, WERE ORIGINALLY PLANNING ON, UH, STAYING HERE, BUT MY WIFE, UH, WORKS FOR THE MILITARY AND WE GOT TRANSFERRED TO FLORIDA.
SO IN THE MEANTIME WE THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE THE BEST USE FOR THE PROPERTY.
AND IT, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD IT IS ON EIGHT ACRES AND WE HAVE ONLY ONE, UH, NEIGHBOR WHO IS NOT THERE FULL TIME IS THERE, YOU KNOW, JUST A COUPLE TIMES A YEAR FROM WHAT I COULD TELL.
WITH THIS WE WILL, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
KATHY RUSSELL, WE'LL GET TO YOU IN ORDER THAT YOU SIGNED UP ON THE SIGNUP SHEET.
I'M AT 7 31 POMEROY, AND MY CONCERNS ARE, UM, I HAVE AN EASEMENT FOR HIKERS GOING THROUGH THAT AREA, WHICH GOES ALONG MY DRIVEWAY AND I GIVE YOU ALL PICTURES OF LIKE, WHERE THE TRAIL GOES.
SHE DID ALL THE LAND THAT SURROUNDS MY PROPERTY IS THE NATIONAL PARK PROPERTY, AND I DON'T GET VERY MANY PEOPLE COMING THROUGH.
SO I'M, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE THIS WILL BRING IN, BUT IF I START GETTING A LOT OF PEOPLE, I'M THINKING I'M GONNA HAVE TO RESEND.
UM, I'VE ALSO HAD POACHERS LATELY COMING ON MY PROPERTY, UM, AND THEY'VE GONE UP OFF INTO THE PARK PROPERTY.
SO IT'S A BIG CONCERN WITH A LOT OF STRANGE PEOPLE COMING UP THERE.
AND SO I'M AGAINST HAVING THIS DONE.
MR. CHAIRMAN IS, CAN I ASK HER A COUPLE QUESTIONS WHILE SHE'S THERE? PLEASE? GO AHEAD.
OH, JUST TO CLARIFY A COUPLE THINGS.
UM, YOU SUPPLIED A VERBAL EASEMENT ACROSS YOUR PROPERTY TO THE PARK? YEAH, BUT IT, BUT THE EASEMENT DOESN'T CROSS, UH, THESE PEOPLE'S PROPERTY THAT ARE APPLYING IT.
IT'S, IT'S YOUR PROPERTY TO, IT'S MY PROPERTY AND THE PARKING IS, IS DOWN ALMOST ACROSS FROM THEIR DRIVEWAY.
AND THERE'S A SPUR TRAIL THAT GOES FROM THAT LITTLE PARKING AREA UP THROUGH THE PARK PROPERTY AND THEN COMES OUT AND IT CROSSES THROUGH ALONG MY DRIVEWAY TO ANOTHER SPUR THAT GOES UP TO THE APPALACHIAN TRAIL.
DO, UH, IS THERE, UH, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S JUST A VERBAL AGREEMENT TO ALLOW 'EM ACROSS THERE.
IS THERE ANY WRITTEN EASEMENT OR ANYTHING GIVEN TO THE PARK TO ACCESS, UH, THIS TRAIL THAT WAY? YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE.
WHEN I BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, I WAS TOLD THAT THERE WAS AN EASEMENT GOING ALONG THERE, AND THE PARK PEOPLE ALWAYS COME UP AND HAVE MARKED MY TREES AND STUFF, SO I'VE NEVER CHECKED INTO IT.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I GUESS I'M GONNA HAVE TO DO THAT NOW.
YEAH, I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF THOUGH, YEAH, I, I APPRECIATE YOU ANSWERING MY QUESTION.
I'M, I MEAN, I DON'T GET VERY MANY PEOPLE HIKING THROUGH THERE AND MOST EVERYBODY'S REALLY NICE THAT I'VE RUN INTO, BUT I, I JUST DON'T LOOK FORWARD TO LARGE GROUPS OF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, TRAIPSING THROUGH MY DRIVEWAY.
AND IT'S, THERE'S ONLY FIVE OR SIX FAMILIES THAT LIVE UP THERE AND IT'S VERY PEACEFUL.
IT'S VERY QUIET AND YEAH, WE'RE JUST NOT LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS.
THE MARKING OF YOUR TREES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, IS THAT THE WHITE, THE WHITE STRIP BLAZE? YEAH.
SO THAT'S NOT THE, THAT'S NOT THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE.
THAT'S THE, UH, PEOPLE THAT MAINTAIN THE, THE TRAILS.
YEAH, THERE'S AN ORGANIZATION THAT MAN, 'CAUSE THAT DOES CROSS PRIVATE PROPERTY IN QUITE A FEW AREAS IN WARREN COUNTY.
SO WHO OWNS THE PARKING LOT? THE PARK, I GUESS THE PARK OWNS THE PARKING LOT THAT'S ON, THAT'S THE PARKING AREA? IT'S ON THE PARK SIDE, YEAH.
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GLENN HICKERSON.MY NAME'S GLENN HICKERSON AND, UH, MY WIFE AND I HAVE LIVED AT THE END OF THE HARM, UH, PALMERO ROAD, UH, PAST THE STATE MAINTENANCE FOR THE LAST 26 YEARS.
UM, UH, COULD YOU GIVE US THE ADDRESS OF THAT? UH, WELL, UH, IT IS 9 82 PALMERO ROAD.
UM, MY CONCERN, UH, WITH THE SHORT TERM RENTAL, UH, REQUEST IS THAT, UH, FOR THE, UH, 3 31 POMEROY ROAD PROPERTY IS THE INCREASED TRAFFIC BY UNFAMILIAR, UH, UH, DRIVERS.
BASICALLY, UH, I'VE PROVIDED SOME PICTURES TO, UM, MS. MUTTER.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THOSE OR NOT.
UH, THIS WAS PROBABLY THE WORST SECTION OF PALMORE ROAD.
UH, THE FIRST PICTURE IS FROM THE ENTRANCE OF THIS PROPERTY, THERE'S TWO, UH, SHARP BLIND CURVES.
UH, MANY PLACES, MOST PLACES BETWEEN THERE AND HARMONY HOLLOW ROAD ARE NOT PASSABLE.
UH, YOU HAVE TO PULL OFF TO THE DITCH, UH, YOU HAVE TO BACK UP.
NOW NOTICE THAT ON THE PHOTOGRAPHS, UH, WE'RE IN A LEAF OFF TIME.
THIS SITUATION GETS REALLY A LOT MORE COMPLICATED, A LOT MORE DANGEROUS WHEN THE LEAVES COME ON AND, AND THE ROAD BECOMES EVEN NARROWER.
UM, MANY OF THE RESIDENTS HAVE HAD NEAR HIT ON COLLISIONS ON THESE, UH, BLIND CURVES.
AND I JUST THINK THAT, UH, BRINGING UNFAMILIAR PEOPLE IS GONNA MAKE THIS A DANGEROUS SITUATION FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE ON PALMERO ROAD.
AND I'D ASK YOU TO NOT, UH, ALLOW THIS.
I DUNNO, I'M GOING TO ASSUME THIS IS WALTER WILSON.
WE ARE GOOD AT NAME BUTCHERY UP HERE.
I DO WANT THE BEST WALLER WILSON, TWO LS.
THAT'S THREE, TWO IN WALLER AND ONE IN WILSON.
ANYWAY, I'M HERE TO, AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 2 97.
UM, I OWN PROPERTY THAT ADJOINS MR. IT'S PART OF, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S PART OF THE PROPERTY THAT HE WANTS TO HAVE SHORT-TERM RENTALS ON.
EVERYBODY THAT I'VE TALKED TO POO-POOS THE IDEA OF BEING CLOSE TO A SHORT TERM RENTAL.
AND I FEAR THAT IT'S GONNA DEVALUE THE PROPERTY THAT I HAVE THAT ADJOINS HIS AND THE IDEA OF HAVING, UH, A, UH, LOCAL COMPANY MANAGE IT.
UH, THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN ON WEEKENDS AND SATURDAY NIGHT.
UH, I, UH, I OBJECT AND, UH, I HOPE YOU DON'T, UH, APPROVE IT.
ANYONE THAT DIDN'T SIGN UP, WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST? SO WE ARE NOT THE ONLY PROPERTY THAT I'M MARILYN BOSCH, SORRY.
WE, OUR PROPERTY IS 3 35 PALMOY ROAD.
WE COME ABOUT ONCE A MONTH, UM, AND USE THE PROPERTY.
SO IT'S, WE'RE NOT THERE ALL THE TIME.
UH, WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY ABOUT 30 YEARS AGO, AND WHEN WE BOUGHT IT, WE UNDERSTOOD THERE WERE RESTRICTIONS, SERIOUS RESTRICTIONS, AND THAT WAS DEEMED, UM, COVENANTS RUNNING WITH THE LAND.
AND WE LOOKED THIS UP TODAY AT THE COURTHOUSE.
UM, AND THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS SUCH AS ALL BUILDINGS SHALL BE CONSTRUCTED OF EITHER NATURAL WOOD OR STONE.
UM, AND OURS IS PAINTED BROWN.
AND IT GIVES WHICH COLOR IT SHOULD BE, IT SHOULD BE VARNISHED, STAINED, OR PAINTED A WOOD COLOR.
UM, THERE'D BE NO ADVERTISING OR SUBDIVISION IN THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS.
THE PLACEMENT OF THE BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY IS, HAS TO BE CAREFULLY MEASURED.
AND THIS GEODESIC HOME IS PLACED CLOSER TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
I'M NOT A SURVEYOR, SO THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE SEEN OFFICIALLY.
UM, AT THE TIME THERE WAS AN EASEMENT FOR THE APPALACHIAN TRAIL, HOW THAT LEGALLY CONTINUES.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT STILL DOES, WHETHER THE PAP POTOMAC APPALACHIAN TRAIL CLUB IS MONITORING THAT OR NOT.
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I DO NOT KNOW.UM, SO I'M JUST SAYING THAT THE, THIS LAND HAS BEEN TREASURED FOR ITS SCENIC PLACEMENT FACING DICKIE RIDGE IN SHENANDOAH NATIONAL PARK.
IT'S BEEN A HOME FOR WILDLIFE, INCLUDING DEER, BEAR BIRDS.
AND NOW 3 31 PALMOY ROAD HAS BEEN ESSENTIALLY CLEAR CUT FROM A POINT NEAR THE ROAD UPWARDS TO THE TOP OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, DAMAGE TO OUR COMMON DRIVEWAY, IF NOT REPAIRED, MAY CAUSE A CAR TO SLIP INTO THE CREEK.
THIS IS RIGHT DOWN AT THE BOTTOM.
UH, THIS HAPPENED DURING CONSTRUCTION AND I TRIED TO MAKE A PHONE CALL TO THE OWNER, WHICH WAS NOT RETURNED.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS I NOTICED WAS THAT THE PROPERTY NEVER HAD A, UH, A TITLE ATTORNEY COME AND, AND VIEW THE PROPERTY.
IT'S WITHOUT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE LAST PAGE OF HIS DEED, IT SAYS THAT THIS PROCESS WAS DONE, WAS NOT DONE.
IT WAS, UM, SIGNED OFF BY THE ATTORNEY, BUT THEY DID NOT HAVE A TITLE SEARCH.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE WERE DOING THIS AFTERNOON, WAS LOOKING AT THAT.
JUST TO ADD TO THE COMMENTS THAT WERE WHITE NAME, ADDRESS, SIR, ALSO, SORRY, IT'S ON, IT'S ON, IT'S ON, UH, AGAIN.
UH, OUR CONCERN, UH, SIR, NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE STATE YOUR, YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.
3, 3, 1, UH, IS PROPERTY HERE? UH, WE DO USE IT ON OCCASION, LIKE BASIS FOR SEVERAL, BUT WE'RE NOT THE CONSEQUENTLY HAVE SOME CONCERN ABOUT, UH, THE ADJACENT PROPERTY, WHICH CLEAR, UH, SERIAL RENTAL USE.
WHO KNOWS GONNA BE WHO BE THERE AND WHAT COULD HAPPEN.
REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT POSSIBLE, UH, OTHER DAM DAMAGE TO.
SO WE, UH, WE ARE ON THAT BASIS.
WE, I ASK THAT THE CONSIDER THIS USE REALLY VIRTUAL USE AND THE PROPERTY IS NOT ZONED FOR THAT.
SO WE ASK THIS BE, UH, DENIED.
ANYONE ELSE? ANYONE ELSE WITH THAT? THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
THE APPLICANT HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE COMMENTS YOU'VE HEARD.
WELL, I'M SURPRISED I HAVEN'T REALLY MET THESE INDIVID INDIVIDUALS BEFORE.
THEY'VE NEVER COME UP AND THEY'VE NEVER SPOKEN TO ME OR EXPRESSED ANY SORT OF CONCERN.
SO THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT I'M, YOU KNOW, HEARING ABOUT THIS.
EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE DONE WITH THE PROPERTY.
WE HAVE WORKED WITH THE BOARD AND ALL INSPECTORS.
I'VE ENSURED THAT EVERYTHING IS UP TO PAR.
THERE WAS A HOUSE THERE THAT HAD BURNT DOWN, SO WE ENDED UP BUILDING ANOTHER HOUSE IN A DIFFERENT POSITION.
SO, AND ANY SORT OF DAMAGE THAT WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD MENTIONED DAMAGE TO THE DRIVEWAY.
IT WAS A LOP OF IT WHEN WE HAD CONCRETE DELIVERED.
IT WAS A SECTION OF CON A PIECE OF WET CONCRETE THAT HAD FALLEN AND IT HAD DRIED.
AND I HAD MY GUYS GO THERE AND CUT IT OFF AND TRIM IT BACK DOWN.
SO A LOT OF THESE FOLKS DON'T EVEN LIVE CLOSE TO WHERE THE PROPERTY IS.
ONE INDIVIDUAL HAS RAW LAND THAT I, UM, RAW.
IT'S JUST RAW LAND ON ONE SIDE.
WE ONLY HAVE ONE ACTUAL PROPERTY THAT'S, UH, CLOSE AND THAT'S, UH, THE BOSCHS.
I FEEL LIKE I'VE DONE EVERYTHING BY THE BOOKS AND I'VE, YOU KNOW, I CONTINUE TO TRY TO WORK WITH EVERYONE AND YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE REALLY WHAT ELSE TO SAY OR DO.
UH, THIS IS WHAT'S BEST FOR US AT THIS TIME.
SO, UH, IF WE DON'T END UP DOING SHORT-TERM RENTALS, I JUST CAN'T HAVE IT SITTING THERE.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE SOMEONE THERE PERMANENTLY WHO'S GONNA BE THERE EVERY DAY.
SO ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, I WAS GONNA HAVE TO BE A LONG-TERM RENTER OR, YOU KNOW, OCCASIONAL SHORT-TERM RENTERS.
SO, YOU KNOW, I'VE DONE EVERYTHING THAT I CAN.
ONE REASON I WANTED SHORT-TERM RENTALS IS
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'CAUSE I WAS HOPING TO ENJOY IT TOO.THIS WAS A PASSION THAT I HAD BUILT AND IF I LEASE IT TO A LONG-TERM RENTAL, I CAN'T ENJOY IT.
SO, BUT YOU KNOW, I, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PACKETS THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU, IT'S, WE REALLY LOVE IT AND WE'VE PUT A LOT OF TIME, ENERGY, MONEY AND PASSION INTO IT.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY AND I'M KIND OF SURPRISED THAT THERE'S SO MANY FOLKS HERE THAT ARE AGAINST IT.
UH, YOU KNOW, IT, IT IS A, WE ARE THE ON POMEROY.
WE'RE THE FIRST RIGHT WHEN YOU GO UP THAT ROAD.
SO AGAIN, WE DON'T REALLY, WE'RE THE FIRST DRIVEWAY ON THE RIGHT WHEN YOU TURN ONTO POMEROY.
SO I'M KIND OF SURPRISED ABOUT THIS.
SO, UH, DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT I CAN ANSWER? SO, UH, NOT AT THAT THIS TIME IF SOMETHING COMES UP, WE'LL OKAY.
OKAY, COUPLE OF COMMENTS AND BOTH OF 'EM.
DID WE CLOSE IT? PUBLIC HEARING? YEAH, IT'S, WE DID CLOSE IT.
A COUPLE OF COMMENTS AND THEY BOTH KIND OF ADDRESSED SOME OF THE BOSCH'S CONCERNS.
THIS, THE FIRST ONE BEING COVENANTS.
YOUR HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION HAS TO ENFORCE THOSE.
THEN THE SECOND ONE WITH MR. BA ON BEING A COMMERCIAL USE, THE VIRGINIA GENERAL ASSEMBLY DISAGREES WITH YOU.
RENTAL USE IS NOT A COMMERCIAL USE.
SHORT TERM RENTAL OR LONG TERM RENTAL, IT'S THE SAME DEAL.
I SIR, WHICH SIR PUBLIC HEARINGS CLOSED, BUT I'M, I'M TELLING YOU THE STATE LAW, I MEAN, YOU COULD DISAGREE WITH IT, BUT THE LAW IS WHAT? IT'S, OH YEAH.
I HAD TO, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY THE SAME THING.
A COVENANT BASICALLY IS SIGNED BETWEEN EITHER HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION AND THE PURCHASER OR SELLER AND A PURCHASER.
IN OTHER WORDS, AS FAR AS THE COVENANTS, NOTHING THAT WAS NOT AN AGREEMENT MADE WITH THE COUNTY OF WARREN.
SO CONSEQUENTLY WE HAVE NO JURISDICTION OVER IT.
YOU WOULD HAVE TO PURSUE IT THROUGH CIVIL COURT, SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, ATTORNEYS.
BUT IT, WE, WE HAVE NO WAY TO ENFORCE IT 'CAUSE IT WAS NOT AN AGREEMENT PER, WITH THE COUNTY, BUT WITH INDIVIDUALS.
SO IT MAKES IT A CIVIL MATTER.
UH, AND THEN HE IS RIGHT, THEY, THEY HAVE DETERMINED THAT, OH, SO THIS THING ALMOST WENT THROUGH BY RIGHT.
WITHOUT ANY BEING ABLE TO PUT ANY RESTRICTIONS ON IT.
SO I'M, I'M GLAD WE'RE ABLE TO VISIT IT AND PUT RESTRICTIONS ON THEM.
OH, BUT THEY ARE JUST LIVING IN THE HOUSE, WHETHER IT BE SHORT TERM OR LONG TERM.
I THINK WHAT'S IT OVER 60 DAYS MAKES IT LONG.
ALL WE'VE HAD PRETTY GOOD, UH, SUCCESS WITH THE RULES AND STUFF THAT WE'VE IMPLICATED ON OUR SHORT TERM.
YOU KNOW, NO FIREARMS, NO AT TV RIDING ALL IT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME, I'D BE, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS I KNOW, YOU'LL GET SOME STRANGE PEOPLE.
THIS THING'S NOT GONNA RENT 52 WEEKS A YEAR.
SO IT'S OBVIOUSLY A LOT LESS IMPACT THAN A LONG-TERM RENTAL.
YOU KNOW, IF, IF IT RENTS X NUMBER OF WEEKS A YEAR, USUALLY A LONG WEEKEND, IT'S, IT WON'T GENERATE NEAR THE TRAFFIC AS A LONG-TERM RENTAL.
UM, THEY'VE ALSO BEEN GOOD, UH, TAX REVENUES FOR OUR COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY IN THE FORMS. WE HAD SOME DERELICT PROPERTIES THAT ARE ACTUALLY BEING USED NOW AND THEY DON'T PRODUCE ANY LOAD ON OUR SCHOOL SYSTEM.
YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT LONG-TERM RENTALS.
SO YOU DON'T GET ANY PERMANENT RESIDENCE.
ALL WE'VE HAD PRETTY GOOD SUCCESS THAT WAY.
AND AS FAR, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALWAYS A LITTLE BIT OF UNKNOWN TO WHO'S RENTING IT.
AND PEOPLE DO THE BEST THEY CAN TO VET.
THERE'S ALWAYS, THERE IS A COMPLAINT PROCESS ALL TO, WHEREAS IF THIS WAS APPROVED AND HE DOES BREAK ALL THE RULES AND YOU DO GET THE WORST POSSIBLE TENANTS, YOU NEED TO LET COUNTY STAFF KNOW.
'CAUSE IF HE'S REPEAT OFFENDER CAN BE TAKEN AWAY.
IT'S NOT A A FOR LIFE THING IF HE DOESN'T OBEY THE RULES.
SO THERE IS SOME ENFORCEMENT THAT AWAY.
SO FAR WE HAVEN'T HAD TO DO THAT YET.
AND THEY'RE ALL OVER THE COUNTY.
SO WE'RE HAVING PRETTY GOOD SUCCESS BY HAVING THE RULES MANAGEMENT PROGRAM, YOU KNOW, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL.
WE'VE HAD VERY LITTLE PROBLEMS. UH, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS ARE, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY NEW COMING IN FOR A WEEKEND, YOU DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU GOT THAT ANYWAY, WITH THE TRAIL ACCESS.
I MEAN, THOSE PEOPLE THAT COME UP THERE, WHO ARE THEY? HOW OFTEN ARE THEY THERE? YOU KNOW, HOW OFTEN IS THIS GONNA RENT? I DON'T, I DON'T THINK YOU'LL GAIN OR LOSE A NUMBER OF STRANGERS.
UM, PLUS THIS GUY DOESN'T WANT HIS HOUSE TORE UP EITHER.
YOU KNOW, HE, HE'S GOING, HE'S, HE DOESN'T WANT 25 COLLEGE KIDS THERE PAIRING HIS HOUSE UP ON A WEEKEND.
HE WANTS PEOPLE TO COME UP AND ENJOY LIKE YOU DO ONCE A MONTH.
COME UP, MAYBE ENJOY THE VINEYARDS AND SEE OUR COMMUNITY.
UH, I PERSONALLY DON'T FEEL THAT THE TRAFFIC OR IT BEING AGAINST COVENANTS THAT WE CAN'T ENFORCE OR IT BEING IN A COMMERCIAL.
IN OTHER WORDS, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH HERE FOR ME NOT TO SUPPORT THIS MAN'S RIGHT TO EARN SOME OF HIS MONEY BACK TO MAINTAIN HIS PROPERTY.
IF NOT, HE'S GONNA PUT IT IN A LONG TERM RENTAL.
THE OTHER THING IS, IF YOU GET A LONG TERM RENTAL, YOU DON'T LIKE HIM, YOU GOTTA PUT UP WITH HIM FOR A WHOLE
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YEAR.IF YOU GET A SHORT TERM ONE AND HE, YOU DON'T LIKE HIM, YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT HIM.
SO THERE'S SOME PLUS AND MINUS TO THAT.
BUT, UH, UM, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS, BUT I I, I DON'T, BASED ON ALL THE OTHERS IN THE COUNTY AND OUR FEEDBACK FROM THEM, UH, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA BE FINE.
AND IF NOT, WE DO HAVE A COMPLAINT PROCESS AND A REVOKING PROCESS IF IT TURNS OUT NOT TO BE WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE.
SO I, I WOULD SAY STAY IN TUNE THAT WAY.
BUT, UH, IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS GOT ANYTHING ELSE, I USE AIRBNBS WHEN I, OR SHORT TERM RENTALS WHEN MY COMPANY GOES AND STARTS A NEW CONTRACT SOMEWHERE.
I'VE STAYED IN LA, TEXAS, UH, PRETTY MUCH ALL AROUND THE, THE COUNTRY TOO, INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, MY HOMETOWN.
THE, UH, YOU'RE ACTUALLY VETTED.
UH, SO I HAVE AN AIRBNB ACCOUNT IN EVERY PLACE I'VE STAYED.
THEY REVIEW ME AND I GET A CHANCE TO REVIEW THEM.
SO IF A HOMEOWNER OF AN AIRBNB PUTS A BAD REVIEW ON ME OR MY DOG, 'CAUSE I, I HAVE A DOG THAT ISN'T ALLOWED IN A LOT OF HOTELS 'CAUSE SHE'S A HUNDRED POUND.
UM, AND WHEN SHE STANDS ON HER HIND LAKE, SIX FEET TALL, PEOPLE GET AFRAID OF A WOLFHOUND EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE THE FRIENDLIEST DOG IN THE WORLD.
BUT ANYWAY, THE, YOU KNOW, SHE'S RATED, SHE ACTUALLY HAS HER OWN PROFILE ON AIRBNB, UH, BECAUSE SHE DOES TRAVEL WITH ME.
SO THAT, THAT'S THE KIND OF PROCESS THAT THE SHORT TERM RENTAL RENTERS GO THROUGH.
AND IF THE, THE OWNER OF THE RENTAL PROPERTY ISN'T USING THAT PROCESS, YEAH, SHAME ON THEM BECAUSE IT'S, YOU GET A BAD REVIEW, GOOD LUCK TR FINDING ANOTHER ONE.
SO THEY, AND THEY DO SHARE INFORMATION FROM AIRBNB TO VEN OR WHATEVER THE OTHER ONES ARE.
I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW MANY OF THEM I USED.
AND JUST TO, TO ADD ON TO WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE HAS SAID, UM, THERE'S A HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT THAT ALLOWS A MAXIMUM OF SIX OCCUPANTS.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SITUATION OF 25 COLLEGE KIDS SHOULD, SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN.
UM, IT, IT SHOULD BE A, A SMALL GROUP THAT IS THERE, THAT'S ALL IT SHOULD BE ALLOWED THERE.
THAT'S ALL IT'S ALLOWED THERE.
YOU SEE MORE PEOPLE WITHIN THAT COMPLAINT.
MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I JUST ADDRESS A COUPLE ITEMS JUST PUBLIC SAFETY WISE? YES.
UH, IN THE PAST WITH SOME OF THE ROADS THAT WERE VERY NARROW AND UM, WERE RURAL ROADS, UH, WE ASKED THAT INFORMATION BE PUT IN THE PACKET FOR THE REGISTRATION AND, AND IN THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT THAT IS, UH, SOMETHING TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT AND BE CAUTIOUS OF, UH, TO, YOU KNOW, OBSERVE THE SPEED LIMIT ON THOSE ROADS.
UH, IT MAY NOT BE POSTED, BUT YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IT'S A, SOUNDS LIKE IT, IT'S A POTENTIAL SAFETY ISSUE.
WE'VE ALSO HAD, UH, SITUATIONS WHERE THE ADDRESS TO THE PROPERTY IS NOT REALLY CLEARLY POSTED AND IN A VERY RURAL AREA.
I, I ASSISTED MR. LEN IN POSTING THIS PROPERTY AND IT IS VERY RURAL AND SO WE RECOMMEND THAT THE, UH, THE ADDRESS E 9 1 1 ADDRESS BE, UH, LIGHTED BY MAYBE A SOLAR LIGHT OF SOME SOMETHING SO PEOPLE AT NIGHT CAN, UH, CAN DRIVE INTO AND UP TO THE CORRECT ADDRESS AND NOT THE INCORRECT ADDRESS.
THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE DISCONCERTING.
UM, AND THEN ALSO THE, THE COUNTY STAFF, WE ARE WORKING ON A TOOL MECHANISM TO, TO REPORT THESE.
UH, UH, HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE SOMETHING ONE LINE.
UH, BUT IM, THE IMMEDIATELY REPORTING WOULD BE TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IF THERE WERE PROBLEMS. OKAY, THANK YOU.
AND I WAS JUST GOING TO EXPAND A LITTLE MORE ON WHAT SCOTT AND YOU BOTH SAID.
I'VE STAYED IN SEVERAL SHORT TERM RENTALS, YOU KNOW, LIKE ON VACATION AND EVERYTHING AND NEVER HAD A BAD EXPERIENCE WITH THEM.
THEN ONE, NOT TO SOUND YEAH THIS WAY, BUT CUP DOES STAND FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND IF HE VIOLATES HIS CONDITIONS, THE PERMIT CAN BE REVOKED.
ANYBODY GOT ANYTHING ELSE? TAKE A MOTION.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST OF DAVID COMMON.
HILL OF BEANS INCORPORATED FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
OKAY, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
OPPOSED, I SAY WOULD BE FORWARDED ON TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
[VI.C. CUP2024-02-02 - Michael & Jean Adair - A request for a conditional use permit for a Short-Term Tourist Rental. The property is located at 327 Twin Oaks Dr. and identified on tax map 35, lot 12F2. The property is zoned Agricultural (A) and located in the Thomas Sawner subdivision and the South River Magisterial District. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator ]
OUR THIRD ONE TONIGHT, CUP 20 24 0 2 0 2 MICHAEL[00:40:01]
AND GINA DARE REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL PROPERTIES LOCATED AT 3 27 TWIN OAK DRIVE.TWIN OAKS DRIVE IDENTIFIED TAX MAP 35 LOT 12 F TWO PROPERTY ZONED AGRICULTURAL LOCATED IN THE THOMAS SAUNA SUBDIVISION IN THE SOUTH RIVER MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT, MR. LIN.
THE APPLICANTS ARE REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY THEY PURCHASED IN FEBRUARY OF 2020, OR I'M SORRY, 2004.
UH, THE OWNERS WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THEIR PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR SHORT-TERM LODGING FOR VISITORS OF THE WARREN COUNTY AREA WHILE THEY'RE TRAVELING.
THE APPLICANTS WILL MANAGE THE PROPERTY PERSONALLY WITH ASSISTANCE FROM A LOCAL PROFESSIONAL CLEANING SERVICE FOR CLEANING, MAINTENANCE AND RESPONDING TO REQUESTS AND CONCERNS FROM RENTERS AND NEIGHBORS.
I MENTIONED IT'S IN THE THOMAS E SA, UH, THE THIRD SUBDIVISION, WHICH IS ADJACENT TO THE RIVER OAK SUBDIVISION, UH, WHERE I BELIEVE WE HAVE FOUR OR FIVE, UH, SHORT TERM FOREST RENTALS THAT ARE ACTIVE AT THIS TIME.
AND MS, IT LOOKS LIKE I HAVE, UH, NOTED THAT THERE ARE ACTUALLY THREE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS ON IN THE RIVER OAK SUBDIVISION AND ONE, UH, NONCONFORMING GRANDFATHERED SHORT TERM RENTAL AS WELL.
UH, THERE IS A MAXIMUM OF EIGHT OCCUPANTS PERMITTED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT, UH, FOR A FOUR BEDROOM DWELLING.
UH, THEY PROVIDED THEIR PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN AND THEY HAVE ALSO SUPPORT, UH, SUBMITTED A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION AND THE DWELLING DOES MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT TO ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS WITH THE CLOSEST DWELLING 433 FEET B2 B WEST.
AND IT IS THE IDENTICAL OR THE STANDARD CONDITIONS WE'RE RECOMMENDING, UH, IDENTICAL TO THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.
THE JASON PROPERTY HEARING IS NOTIFIED AND I'M ACTUALLY NOT SURE IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING.
THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
ANYTHING TO ADD? GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS, UH, MICHAEL ADAIR.
BENTONVILLE, UH, I HAVE NOTHING TO ADD.
UH, JUST HERE TO ADDRESS ANY CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE WITH, WITH REGARD TO OUR, OUR APPLICATION.
IF THEY ALL ARISE, WE'LL CALL YOU.
NOBODY, ANYBODY CARE TO SPEAK ANYHOW.
PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED, RIGHT? LOOKS LIKE EVERYTHING'S IN LINE.
PLEASE BE TO PLAN AND COMMISSION FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST OF MICHAEL AND JEAN ADAIR FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT, IT'LL BE FORWARDED ONTO THE BOARD.
[VI.D. CUP2024-02-03 - Kayla James (2207 Marys Shady Lane, LLC) - A request for a conditional use permit for a Short-Term Tourist Rental. The property is located at 2207 Marys Shady Lane. and identified on tax map 20, lot 28D1. The property is zoned Residential-One (R-1) and located in the Leadman subdivision and the Shenandoah Magisterial District. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator ]
PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT.LLC REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 2207.
MARY SHADY LANE IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 20 LOT 28 D ONE PROPERTY ZONED R ONE RESIDENTIAL LOCATED IN THE LEADMAN SUBDIVISION.
THE SHENANDOAH MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY THEY PURCHASED IN MAY OF 2023.
THE OWNER WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THEIR PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR SHORT-TERM LODGING FOR TAURUS, SEEKING A MEMORABLE EXPERIENCE WITH TWO OTHER PROPERTIES APPROVED FOR CONDITIONAL USE.
PERMITS FOR SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTALS IN WARREN COUNTY.
THE APPLICANT WILL MANAGE THE PROPERTY PERSONALLY.
UH, AS MENTIONED IS A A PROPERTY ZONE RESIDENTIAL ONE.
IT'S KIND OF TOWARD THE END OF MARY SHADYS LANE ALMOST.
UH, WHEN YOU GET TO THE RIVER, SHENANDOAH RIVER ESTATE SUBDIVISION, UH, THERE'S A HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT APPROVING A MAXIMUM OF SIX OCCUPANTS FOR THE THREE BEDROOM DWELLING.
AND THEY HAVE PROVIDED THEIR PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN.
THE DWELLING DOES MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT TO ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS.
THE CLOSEST DWELLING IS APPROXIMATELY 430 FEET TO THE SOUTHWEST.
IT IS THE STANDARD CONDITIONS WE'RE RECOMMENDING IDENTICAL TO THE TWO PREVIOUS APPLICATIONS.
AND THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED TO JASON.
I DON'T BELIEVE I SAW THE APPLICANT'S.
WE DO HAVE A, A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE APPLICANT HERE THIS EVENING.
UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US, THANK YOU.
OBVIOUSLY YOU WANT TO ADDRESS SOMETHING? NO, I JUST WANTED TO, UH, TO INTRODUCE MYSELF, ROBERT CHAVEZ, UH, ONE OF THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, AS WE'D STATED, WE OWN TWO PROPERTIES, UM, IN PROXIMITY.
WE'VE FILLED OUT THE PROPER PAPERWORK AND CERTAINLY WE'RE HERE TO JUST ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS ANYBODY HAS.
WITH THAT, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
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SIGN UP? ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST? MY NAME'S CASEY LEACH.I'M AT, UH, 2141 MARY SHA LANE.
UH, LIVED IN THE COUNTY FOR ABOUT SINCE 1992.
I'M NOT GOOD AT MASS, SO I REALLY DON'T, UH, WANNA SIT HERE AND TRY AND WASTE TIME.
UM, I HAVE NO REAL PROBLEM WITH THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
WE ALL KNOW THE COUNTY'S HURTING FOR TAXES AND THIS IS A GOOD WAY TO GET MONEY BACK.
UH, IT'S NO, NO, UH, SECRET THERE, BUT, UH, I'M KIND OF CONFUSED AS WHAT A PRIVATE ROAD IS.
MERCEDES LANE, SINCE I'VE BEEN THERE, PRIVATE ROAD, UH, WHEN I FIRST GOT THERE, YOU GET QUESTIONED ABOUT WHO'S ON THE ROAD, UH, WHAT YOU'RE DOING THERE, WHAT YOUR BUSINESS.
NOW WE HAVE DRUG DEALERS BACK THERE.
WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT, UH, GO OUT IN MUD ON THE, UH, PROPERTY THAT'S OUT THERE.
SO, UH, MORE PEOPLE COMING BACK THERE THAT I DON'T KNOW.
I HAVE GAME CAMERAS SET UP ON THE ROAD RIGHT NOW.
UH, I'M AT THE CORNER WHERE WENDY KNOWLES AT.
UH, ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS IS HERE.
SHE'LL TELL YOU SHE WATCHES, UH, KIDS AND IT'S A BAD SPOT.
YOU GOT THE AUXILIARY WATERLINE COMING IN THERE WITH TRAFFIC FROM THERE.
NOBODY'S MAINTAINING THAT ROAD WHATSOEVER, BUT THEY'RE TEARING IT UP.
AND THEN AGAIN, WE DON'T KNOW WHO'S BACK THERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS KNOW THE HISTORY OF THAT ROAD, BUT A LONG TIME AGO, THERE WAS A LADY THAT GOT, UH, DISMEMBERED THROWN OUT, LEFT OR DEAD.
BUT THE GUY THAT DID THAT IS OUT FREE AND CLEAR.
SO MY ISSUE IS KNOWING THE HISTORY OF THAT ROAD, THE DRUGS THAT ARE ON THE ROAD, THE PEOPLE THAT JUST COME OUT THERE AND PARTY.
UH, I HAVE ISSUE WITH MORE PEOPLE COMING BACK THERE AND AM STILL CONFUSED ON WHAT A PRIVATE ROAD IS.
SO, UH, NOTHING AGAINST THESE PEOPLE.
I MEAN, THE WHOLE MEETING TONIGHT IS AIRBNB.
WE NEED THE MONEY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S WHY DON'T WE JUST MAKE THE ROAD PUBLIC? GET SOME POLICE BACK THERE AND MONITOR STUFF IF WE'RE GONNA DO, START DOING BUSINESSES.
ANYONE ELSE? IF THAT PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED, DO YOU CARE TO ADDRESS THESE COMMENTS, SIR OR NO? I, I APPRECIATE HIS COMMENTS.
WE, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MAINTAIN SAFETY.
THESE AIRBNBS ARE PRETTY EXPENSIVE, SO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING OUT ARE PAYING A LOT OF MONEY, UM, TO, TO GO OUT THERE.
SO I JUST ECHO YOUR SENTIMENT AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA DO EVERYTHING WE POSSIBLY CAN TO ATTRACT THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO OUR PARTICULAR PROPERTIES.
UH, PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED PUBLIC.
THE ONE I WILL STATE, UM, MAKING MARY SHADY LANE A PUBLIC ROAD, THAT MEANS VDOT HAS TO TAKE IT OVER AND THEY WILL NOT UNLESS IT MEETS VDOT SPECS, WHICH MEANS YOU'RE GONNA BE WIDENING IT, YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA BE PAVING IT.
YOU'RE GONNA BE PUTTING IN MORE DRAINAGE THAN WHAT IT HAS.
AND THAT'S GOING TO COME OUT OF YOUR POCKET.
DOES ALL, IS THERE ANY HOA OR SANITARY DISTRICT OR ANYTHING FOR MARY SHADY SLINGING OR IS IT ANYTHING AT ALL? NO, NO.
I, I, IT JUST GOES THROUGH PRIVATE PROPERTIES.
THE, UH, SO IT'S JUST AN ACCESS, ACCESS OF PROPERTY EASEMENT.
IT'S AN ACCESS EASEMENT ACCESS TO, UH, SHE RIVER ESTATES AND SOME OF THOSE, UH, PROPERTIES OUT THERE.
WINDY KNOLL IS ANOTHER PRIVATE ROAD.
UM, IT ACTUALLY GOES DOWN INTO THAT SUBDIVISION.
AND THEN THE SUBDIVISION, I'M NOT EVEN SURE IF, UH, THE POA SUBDIVISION MAINTAINS THEIR OWN ROADS, WHAT THEY DO TO MAINTAIN THEIR OWN ROADS, BUT, UM, UM, THAT ROAD IS PRETTY NOTORIOUS FOR NOT BEING IN THE BEST OF CONDITIONS.
UM, BUT WE GOT A HEAD KNOCKER BACK HERE SAYING THEY, THEY DO ONLY, THEY DO MAINTAIN THEM.
WE HAVE TO PAY MAINTENANCE FOR THE ROAD.
SAYS WE HAVE A SECOND PROPERTY ON MARY, SO ALL THE WAY DOWN AT THE STATE.
RIGHT ON THE RIVER WE GOTTA MAKE FOR ROAD MAINTENANCE.
ONE WONDER, IS IT JUST A, I GUESS IT'S A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION CHARGE CHARGE OF THAT? CIVIC ASSOCIATION? CIVIC ASSOCIATION.
SO I BELIEVE THE SHENANDOAH RIVER ESTATE HAS THE CIVIC ASSOCIATION.
IT'S NOT ANY KIND OF LEAD OUT GOVERNMENT STUFF.
SO YOU HAVE TO HIRE PRIVATE CONTRACTOR TO GRADE YOUR ROAD AND SPREAD A LITTLE GRAPPL.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S IN A SANITARY DISTRICT.
DO YOU, ARE YOU AWARE OF THAT? I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE'S, UH, ONE WITH THE COUNTY AT LEAST.
I I WONDER IF IT COULD BE PETITIONED FOR A SANITARY DISTRICT WHETHER IT WOULD QUALIFY.
NOT, NOT THAT I THINK IT HAS ANY BEARING ON THIS SHORT TERM, BUT YEAH.
YOU KNOW, IF IT ROADS THAT BAD AND IT'S NOT BEING LOOKED OUT AFTER, I MEAN THIS, THIS
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A GOOD CANDIDATE.WE'VE GOT SO MANY, I KNOW WE'VE GOTTA BE GROUND ZERO FOR SANITARY DISTRICTS.
BUT I'LL MENTION THE, THE CIVIC ASSOCIATION ONLY MANAGES THE SHENANDOAH RIVER STATES, UH, ROAD.
SO THAT'S HARRIS DRIVE AND AVALON DRIVE.
SO, AND WHAT WHATEVER OTHER ROAD HE SAID WITH THEM
THEY, THEY LEGALLY, THEY MAY WORK ON IT, BUT THEY'RE NOT LEGALLY BOUND.
'CAUSE IT'S NOT PART OF THAT SUBDIVISION.
WE, WE GET LETTERS TOLD THAT WE ARE COURT ORDERED TO PAY THE FINE FOR MARY SHADY LANE.
I DON'T LIVE IN THE RIVER OF ESTATE.
I LIVE IN MARY SHADE LANE AND I HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT THERE WILL BE A LIEN ON MY HOUSE, BUT I DON'T PAY THE MONEY.
WE'VE ALL RECEIVED THAT LETTER.
SO EVERYONE'S RECEIVED THAT LETTER.
DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT'S BEEN, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY THEY'RE PAYING, BUT MAYBE IT'S NOT BEING SPENT LIKE IT SHOULD BE.
SO
LIKE I SAY, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THEIR SHORT TERM RENTAL.
BEEN THROUGH THIS LAKEFRONT ROW.
OTHER SUBDIVISIONS COLLECT HOMEOWNERS DUES.
MONEY'S NOT BEING SPENT WHERE, OR IT'S BEING SPENT POORLY.
THERE'S, THERE'S NO, IN OTHER WORDS, THERE'S NO PROFESSIONAL OVERSIGHT AS FAR AS MAINTAINING ROAD.
IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY THAT WORKS AT THE DISTRIBUTION CENTER IN WINCHESTER MIGHT BE IN CHARGE OF IT, BUT NO BACKGROUND IN ROADS.
ALL YOU CAN LEGALLY PETITION EITHER THROUGH THE COURT OR THE COUNTY.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROCESS IS, BUT I'M SURE YOU COULD CALL SOMEBODY AT THE COUNTY OR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE PROCESS IS AND YOU CAN SWITCH IT OVER TO A SANITARY DISTRICT.
AND IT'S WHAT THAT DOES THAT PUTS A BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IN CHARGE AND COLLECTING AND HOW YOUR MONEY'S SPENT.
IF YOU'VE GOT A FUNCTIONAL BOARD THAT'S DOING A PRETTY GOOD JOB, THEY'LL LEAVE THEM IN CHARGE.
IF NOT, WE'VE GOT A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE COUNTY THAT'S IN CHARGE OF SANITARY DISTRICTS THAT HAS SOME BACKGROUND PROFESSIONAL THINGS AND HE'LL SEE THAT THAT MONEY GETS SPENT APPROPRIATELY, SNOW REMOVAL, ROAD MAINTENANCE, WHEREVER IT NEEDS TO BE.
SO I, I THINK IF THAT'S A PROBLEM IN THAT AREA, IF, IF MONEY'S BEING COLLECTED AND EVERYBODY FEELS LIKE IT'S, IT'S NOT BEING APPROPRIATED, RIGHT, UH, THE MONEY'S EITHER BEING WASTED OR NOT SPENT CORRECTLY.
UH, MAYBE SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
UH, THERE AGAIN, I DON'T THINK IT HAS A DIRECT BEARING ON WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR, BUT, UH, BEING RAISED SEEMS IT KIND OF DOES.
AND ONE THING I DIDN'T MENTION THAT IF THERE IS ISSUES, CAN YOU EXCUSE ME SIR? CAN YOU COME UP, COME UP.
WE CAN, CAN GET YOU FOR THE RECORD, SIR.
YEAH, JUST SO WE CAN GET YOU FOR THE RECORD,
SO PART OF THE PROBLEM, AND YOU'RE NEW, SO YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS YET, BUT I'M YOUR NEIGHBOR, SO IF I'M NOT HAPPY, IT'S YOUR FAULT.
WHEN YOU DO HAVE AN ISSUE ON THAT ROAD, YOU CALL THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THEY REFER YOU TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
YOU CALL THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, YOU CALL THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND THEY REFER YOU TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
NOT OUR JURISDICTION, NOT OUR, JUST OUR JURISDICTION.
SO AT SOME POINT THERE'S A PROBLEM THERE.
SO IF I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH AIRBNB OR AIRBNB HAS AN ISSUE WITH ME, YOU WILL NOT GET A RESPONSE FOR A LONG TIME BECAUSE OF JURISDICTION.
SO IT, IT'S, IT'S AGAIN, PRIVATE ROAD, THAT'S WHAT THE RESPONSE YOU GET.
BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A PROBLEM OUT THERE ON PRIVATE ROAD, THAT'S THE RESPONSE PRIVATE ROAD.
SO THERE'S A DI DISCONNECT WHETHER IT SHOULD BE TOWN POLICE OR COUNTY SHERIFFS TO START WITH.
SO THEY END UP PASSING IT BACK AND FORTH.
AND I PERSONALLY CALLED UP AND BEEN TOLD, CALL THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND THEN CALLED THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND TOLD CALL THE GO OUT TO WORK AT THREE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, THERE'S A COW ON IT'S BACK BLEEDING OUT AND SOMEBODY'S RUN OVER IT.
'CAUSE THEY WERE OUT PUDDLE JUMPING AND NEITHER ONE OF 'EM WANTS TO COME OUT AND PUT IT DOWN.
SO THE COWS LAYING THERE SUFFERING.
AND THIS HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.
'CAUSE I GO OUT EARLY AND I KNOW, AND I'VE BEEN THE ONE TO CALL.
HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN SINCE YOU CALLED SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT? UH, THIS GUY WAS IN CHARGE.
CALL THE NEW SHERIFF AND HEY, IF YOUR PROBLEMS WILL BE OVER WITH WELL WE, WE WILL FIND OUT ABOUT IT.
BUT I GUARANTEE YOU THERE'LL BE, THERE'LL BE ONE OR THE OTHER.
SERIOUSLY MAKE THE NEW SHERIFF AWARE.
WELL, I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, IT'S, IT'S BEEN YEARS THAT IT'S HAPPENED.
EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY ON THE ROAD KNOWS THAT I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AS THE JURISDICTION IN THE TOWN ALSO.
WELL, WE'RE ALL UNDER SOME IMPRESSION ABOUT THAT ROAD, BUT NONE OF IT, AGAIN, IS NO CLARITY THE WAY IT IS.
I MEAN WE, WE SHE'LL TELL YOU THAT THE ROAD MAINTENANCE, UH, YOU'VE GOT LITTLE HITLER DOWN THERE RUNNING IT AND HE'S THE WORST INTIMIDATOR FOR DON'T GO NAMES LIKE THAT, PLEASE.
WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE CALL 'EM.
SO YOU MIGHT CALL IT THAT THE POLICE WE'RE PUBLIC RECORD.
I'LL JUST, I'LL JUST MENTION THAT.
UM, A PORTION OF MARY SHADYS DOES GO THROUGH TOWN PROPERTY.
IT DOES, IT'S THE ANNEXED AREA.
UM, WHICH IS STILL, IT'S AN AGRICULTURAL USE AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
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COME TO A POINT WHERE I THINK JUST PRIOR TO THE OVERPASS, YOU'RE INTO THE COUNTY, UH, BOUNDARY THAT'S JUST PAST THE POWER LINE.SO THERE'S A GOOD AMOUNT OF THE ROAD INTO TOWN.
THERE'S A GOOD AMOUNT OF THE ROAD IN THE COUNTY.
SO, UH, THAT HAS TO BE WORKED.
I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT A COUNTY DEPUTY CAN GIVE YOU A SPEEDING TICKET IN TOWN.
SO SOUNDS LIKE THE SHERIFF SHOULD BE INVOLVED IN MY OPINION.
MAYBE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CAN SEND MESSAGE TO THE SHERIFF OR GET SOME CLARITY ON THAT FOR THESE PEOPLE.
SOUNDS LIKE A LEGITIMATE COMPLAINT REGARDLESS OF THE SHORT TERM RENTAL.
SO ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, TAKE A MOTION.
PLEASE MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS REQUEST OF KAYLA JAMES 2207 MARY SHADY LANE, LLC WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
OPPOSED? I SAY IT'LL BE FORWARD TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
THAT'S IT FOR OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS TONIGHT.
WE CAN WAIT A MINUTE TO LET MASS, MASS CROWD THEY WANT TO LEAVE.
[VII.A. CUP2024-03-03 John Paul the Great Montessori Academy for Private School - - Matt Wendling, Planning Director ]
NEXT IS NEW BUSINESS CUP 20 24 0 3 0 3.JOHN PAUL, THE GREAT MONTESSORI ACADEMY FOR PRIVATE SCHOOL.
MR. WINDLEY? YES, THIS IS NEW BUSINESS.
UH, IN ORDER TO GIVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, HEAR WHAT THE APPLICATION IS FOR, UM, THE, UH, UH, APPLICANT NOEL SWEENEY IS, HAS APPLIED ON BEHALF OF, UH, THE, UH, THE ST.
PAUL GREAT MON, THE GREAT MONTESSORI ACADEMY.
UM, THE PROPERTY, UH, WAS CURRENTLY THE BOWL BOWLING GREEN SOUTH GOLF COURSE.
UH, IT'S BEEN CLOSED SINCE 2023 WHEN IT WAS PURCHASED BY HELL, TOWN RIVER INVESTMENTS, LLC.
UM, THE SCHOOL AT, UH, CURRENTLY, UH, IS, IS, UM, OPERATES IN THE TOWN AND SERVES 141 STUDENTS.
IT CURRENTLY HAS 2120 FULL-TIME AND 18 PART-TIME EMPLOYEES, AND HAS A CURRICULUM BASED ON THE CATHOLIC MONTESSORI APPROACH.
UH, AS STATED IN THEIR MISSION STATEMENT, THEY PROPOSE THAT THE FACILITY WILL INCLUDE OUTDOOR, UH, AREAS FOR RECESS, SPORTS AND ATHLETIC, UM, RECREATION AND DEVELOPMENT OF OCCUPATIONS RELATING TO LIVESTOCK, HUSBANDRY FARMING AND GARDENING.
UH, THE SCHOOL WAS ESTABLISHED IN 2020 IS CURRENTLY LOCATED IN FRONT ROW.
THEY CURRENTLY HAVE PROGRAMS FOR PRESCHOOL THREE DAYS A WEEK IN ELEMENTARY AND MIDDLE SCHOOL CHILDREN FOR FIVE DAYS A WEEK.
THEIR LONG-TERM PLANS ARE TO EXPAND, TO INCLUDE TODDLER, UH, PROGRAMS AND HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS, UM, BUT NOT TO EXCEED AN ENROLLMENT OF 200 STUDENTS.
UM, AS I MENTIONED, THE PROPERTY HISTORY WAS FOR A GOLF COURSE.
THE ORIGINAL CONDITION USE PERMIT WAS ISSUED TO LINWOOD MORRISON IN 1981.
UH, THERE WERE NO CONDITIONS PLACED ON THAT PERMIT AT THAT TIME, AND AGAIN, THEY, IT CEASED OPERATIONS IN FEBRUARY OF 2023.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A CORRECTION IN THE COMPATIBILITY WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IT IS COMPATIBLE USE FOR AGRICULTURAL, UH, ZONING DISTRICT, BUT I ACCIDENT, I I HAVE PERMITTED BY RIGHT.
IT'S A, UH, CONDITIONAL USE PER, UH, UH, IN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT.
UM, I'LL READ OVER JUST BRIEFLY.
THE, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, GOAL FOR, UM, GROWTH IN LAND MANAGEMENT LAND USE.
UH, IT'S TO DIRECT FUTURE GROWTH INTO EFFICIENT SERVICEABLE FORM WILL THAT WILL PRESERVE THE COUNTY'S, UH, PREDOMINANTLY RURAL CHARACTER.
UM, THERE ARE FOUR BULLETED ITEMS THAT I, UH, PUT IN THE, UH, STAFF REPORT.
AND I'LL JUST NOTE MY COMMENTS RELATING TO THOSE.
PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS NOT CONTIGUOUS WITH FRONT ROYAL AND DOESN'T QUALIFY FOR TOWNS, PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER SERVICES.
THE PREVIOUS USES THE GOLF COURSE AND CLUBHOUSE WAS SERVED BY A PRIVATE WELL AND SEPTIC.
UM, UH, THIS LAND USE WOULD KEEP A SIGNIFICANT AREA OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS A 20 ACRE LOT IN OPEN SPACE TO BE USED FOR ATHLETIC FIELDS, GARDEN FARMING AND LIVESTOCK, UH, CONTAINMENT AREAS FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES.
UM, ALSO THE, UH, AS FAR AS DEVELOPMENT OR PRESERVATION OF PLAN THAT IDENTIFIES AND PROTECTS HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANT AREAS, SITES, AND PROPERTIES.
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THE COMMUNITY MAY PROVIDE A BENEFIT TO PROVIDING HISTORICAL CONTEXT FOR EDUCATION SCHOOLS AND SITES WITHIN THE COMMUNITY AND BE A DESTINATION FOR INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE.AND THEN TO MAIN, UH, MAINTAIN AS A GOAL TO MAINTAIN THE COUNTY'S RURAL CHARACTER.
THE SCHOOL'S PRO PROGRAM INVOLVES A CURRICULUM THAT INCLUDES, UH, FARMING, ANIMAL HUSBANDRY, UH, GARDENING AND AGRICULTURAL RESOURCE TYPE MANAGEMENT.
THESE COURSES, ALONG WITH THE SPORTS AND ATHLETIC RECREATION, NECESSITATES A NEED FOR PRESERVING OPEN SPACE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING AND PARKING AREAS.
FOR THE EDU FOR THE EDUCATION OF THE STUDENTS, WE'VE RECEIVED, UH, COMMENTS FROM MOST AGENCIES, JUST MOST RECENTLY, THE OFFICE OF DRINKING WATER.
UM, WE ARE STILL WAITING ON VDO T'S COMMENTS.
UM, THEY SAID THEY WOULD HAVE THEM PRIOR TO THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, THERE ARE SOME, UH, CONCERNS ABOUT THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT COMMENTS.
THE, UH, THE PERMIT WAS ISSUED I THINK IN 91, AND IT'S FOR A SIGNIFICANTLY LESS AMOUNT THAT WOULD NEEDED FOR, UH, FOR THIS PARTICULAR USE.
BUT THE GOLF COURSE HAS BEEN OPERATING EVENTS, LARGE EVENTS, AND AS A GOLF COURSE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
AND, UH, SO APPARENTLY IT WAS ABLE TO SERVE THEM WELL.
UM, THE, UH, THE SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS, THERE ARE NONE FOR PRIVATE SCHOOLS.
UH, OTHER THAN NO SUCH ACTIVITY SHALL BE PERMITTED ON A PARCEL OF LAND.
LESS THAN THREE ACRES IN SIZE, PROPOSED SCHOOLS AND RELATED FACILITIES SHALL BE DESIGNED AND LOCATED AS TO MINIMIZE IMPACT OF VEHICULAR TRAFFIC IN NEARBY RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
I'M GONNA FOREGO READING OUR CONDITIONS, UH, THIS EVENING.
I WILL MENTION THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER GORDON, I AND, UH, PLANNER, UH, MS. WALL WERE OUT AT, ON SITE AND MET WITH THE APPLICANTS YESTERDAY.
WE WERE ABLE TO GET SOME PHOTOS OF THE PROPERTY.
WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE SOME OF THOSE PHOTOS HERE IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE.
AND THEN, UM, THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING, UH, TO, HE'S GOT A POWERPOINT AND HE'LL GO OVER SOME OF THAT.
UH, WE HAVE GIVEN YOU AN OPTION TO MOVE THIS FORWARD FOR AUTHORIZATION TO ADVERTISE BECAUSE THE APPLICANTS ARE UNDER A, A 100 DAY STUDY PERIOD, AND WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THIS ONE AS, AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE IF THAT, IF THAT'S YOUR CHOICE.
SO JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT.
UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF ME NOW, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER.
UM, BUT MR. SWEENEY IS HERE AND HE'LL HAVE TO KNOW BEFORE HE COMES.
IF WE DO, WOULD THAT BE ADDED TO THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR NEXT MONTH? UH, WE WOULD NOT PUT IT ON CONSENT.
IT WOULD GO FOR PUBLIC HEARING NEXT MONTH.
BUT I HAVE GIVEN YOU AN OPTION TO MOTION, UH, FOR A MOTION, UH, FOR AUTHORIZATION.
ADVERTISE, YEAH, FOR NEXT MONTH.
SO THESE ARE, THESE ARE JUST SOME PHOTOS THAT WE TOOK YESTERDAY, AND WHILE MR. SWEENEY COMES UP, UH, GIVES YOU AN IDEA.
THIS IS, UH, THIS IS TO THE, THE, THE, I THINK WEST OF THE PROPERTY.
THESE ARE, UH, VIEWS LOOKING DOWN THE ROAD.
UH, I THINK THAT'S BOWLING GREEN.
AND THEN THIS IS ON THE, THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, KIND OF.
AND THIS IS ACROSS THE ROAD, UM, THAT IS, UH, RESERVE, UH, PARKING AREA THAT IS NOT OWNED BY, OR WON'T BE OWNED BY BUT, UH, THE SCHOOL.
BUT THEY'RE LOOKING TO POTENTIALLY LEASE THAT IF THEY CAN FOR OVERFLOW PARKING.
RIGHT NOW, IT'S STILL PART OF THE GOLF COURSE, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S UNUSED.
UH, THAT'S THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
UH, I'LL JUST MENTION TO THE SIDE, THIS WAS PART OF AN EXEMPT SUBDIVISION, AND AS PART OF THAT, UH, THEY WERE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE A MINIMUM 20 FOOT ACCESS EASEMENT.
THEY PROVIDED A 30 FOOT ACCESS EASEMENT ALONG THAT BOUNDARY, UM, TO THE PAR UH, PARCEL TO THE REAR.
OUR CONDITIONS WILL REQUIRE THAT THERE BE SOME SORT OF BUFFERING, BUT THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO, TO CLEAR THAT ACCESS EASEMENT FOR, FOR EASEMENT TO THE BACK PROPERTY, BUT THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO HAVE BUFFERING, UH, A LANDSCAPE BUFFER THERE.
AGAIN, THIS IS, THAT'S THE SAME AREA, TOOK SOME PHOTOS OF THE OLD STYLE, UH, COBRA TYPE LIGHTING.
UM, AND THERE'S ANOTHER COUPLE MORE THERE.
UM, THEN THIS IS THE ENTRANCES TO THE PROPERTY ITSELF.
UM, THE APPLICANT'S DO PLAN ON ADDRESSING SOME OF THAT LANDSCAPING THAT APPEARS TO, UH, MIGHT BLOCK SITE DISTANCE.
UH, AND AGAIN, THEY'LL GET COMMENTS FROM BDO, BUT I THINK THEY'RE GONNA ADDRESS THAT AND TAKE CARE OF THAT.
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AND THEN WE'LL LET MR. SWEENEY COME UP.UH, AGAIN, THIS IS THEIR, THEIR, UH, PRIMARY PARKING AREA AND DROP OFF AREA.
UH, ONE OF THE OLD STYLE COBRA TYPE LIGHTS.
UM, AGAIN, UH, THIS IS AN AREA JUST ADJACENT, IF YOU SEE WHERE THE BUSH IS, I THINK THAT'S, THEY'RE PLANNING ON ACTUALLY CREATING SOME MORE OVERFLOW PARKING, AND MR. SWEENEY CAN ADDRESS THAT.
UH, THIS IS LOOKING OUT DIRECTLY BEHIND THE BUILDING, AND THIS IS KIND OF IN THE DIRECTION OF WHERE THE ATHLETIC, UH, PITCHES OR FIELDS WILL BE AT SOME POINT IN TIME.
AGAIN, THE SAME AREA, UH, SAME AREA A LITTLE TO THE EAST.
AND, UH, LOOKING AT THE, UH, THE BUILDING FROM THE EAST TO THE WEST, AGAIN, THIS IS THE DRAIN FIELD.
AND, UH, AGAIN, AN AREA LOW PART OF THE PROPERTY WHERE THEY PLAN ON DOING SOME ATHLETIC FIELDS.
UH, AND THAT'S, UH, AN ADJACENT I WANT, IT'S THE NEAREST ADJACENT DWELLING TO THE EAST, UM, THAT THE PROPOSAL WOULD BE THAT THERE'D BE SOME LANDSCAPE SCREENING BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THE, UH, UH, PROPERTY ITSELF.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS TO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, THIS IS, UH, AGAIN, NEAR WHERE THE DRAIN FIELD IS AND, UH, LOOKING EAST, UH, AGAIN, TOWARD WHERE THEIR WELL IS AND SOME, UH, I THINK THE DRAIN FIELD AREA.
AND, UM, THERE'S THE CONCEPT PLAN.
I'LL LET MR. SWEENEY IS HERE AND, AND WE'VE GOT A, HE'S GOT A POWER POOL HE CAN GO THROUGH MR. SWEENEY FLOORS.
YOURS, I, YOU KNOW, SWEENEY, UH, MY ADDRESS IS 1000 LAFAYETTE STREET IN UPPERVILLE, VIRGINIA.
UM, THE SCHOOL ASKED ME TO ASSIST WITH THE PROPERTY SEARCH, SO, UH, THANKS FOR HAVING ME HERE.
FELLOW PLANNERS, MATT COUNTY ATTORNEY, REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
UM, SO I'D JUST LIKE TO START, UM, DO I HAVE A ABILITY TO GO FORWARD? OH, THANK YOU.
SO THIS, UH, FIRST SLIDE IS A PICTURE OF THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, OR THE, SORRY, THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.
UH, JOHN PAUL, THE GRADE, WHO WE ARE AS A PRIVATE K 12 SCHOOL THAT FOSTERS STUDENTS WHO KNOW, LOVE AND SERVE GOD OR APPROACH BLENDS OF MONTESSORI METHOD AND CLASSICAL CURRICULUM.
WE INCORPORATE LIFE SKILLS INTO EDUCATION, INCLUDING AGRICULTURAL SKILLS, ANIMAL HUSBANDRY, WOODWORK, AND CRAFTSMANSHIP AND MUSIC.
OUR VISION, THE GOAL OF JOHN PAUL THE GREATEST TO FIND A BEAUTIFUL, SAFE, AND RURAL LOCATION TO PUT OUR ROOTS DOWN IN THIS ENVIRONMENT OF GOD'S BEAUTIFUL CREATION, OUR YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN WILL LEARN AND GROW.
THE MONTESSORI IDEAL OF THE FARM SCHOOL CAN BEGIN TO TAKE SHAPE AND DEVELOP.
THE SPACE WILL ALLOW STUDENTS TO WORK THE LAND, TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT, GARDEN, PLAY IN THE FIELDS, AND DEVELOP THEIR TRADES AND ENTREPRENEUR ENTREPRENEURIAL ABILITIES.
NATURAL FACT, MOST OF THE PARENTS IN THE SCHOOL ARE ACTUALLY FARMERS.
I WOULD PROBABLY SAY 70 TO 90% OF 'EM ARE FARMERS ALREADY.
UH, OUR MISSION INCLUDES THE PRESERVATION AND PROTECTION OF THE RURAL COMMUNITY.
UH, MARIA MONTESSORI ONCE QUOTED, THERE IS NO DESCRIPTION, NO IMAGE IN ANY BOOK THAT IS CAPABLE OF REPLACING THE SITE OF REAL TREES AND ALL THE LIFE TO BE FOUND AROUND THEM.
SOMETHING EMANATES FROM THOSE TREES WHICH SPEAKS TO THE SOUL, SOMETHING NO BOOK, NO MUSEUM IS CAPABLE OF GIVING.
JOHN PAUL THE GRID IS EXCITED TO PLANT OUR ROOTS IN THE ROCKLAND COMMUNITY AND DO OUR PART TO PRE PRESERVE ITS RICH HERITAGE.
OUR STUDENTS ARE TAUGHT TO RESPECT THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT AND TREASURE THE TRADITIONS AND CULTURE OF OUR COMMUNITY.
BOWLING GREEN SOUTH WILL ONCE AGAIN BE USED FOR AGRICULTURE, UH, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT STATEMENT OF JUSTIFICATION.
THE GRADE CURRENTLY SERVES OVER 120 STUDENTS, ALMOST ALL FROM WARREN COUNTY.
THE ACADEMY INTENDS TO RELOCATE A PORTION OF THE CURRENT BOWLING GREEN SOUTH TO BETTER SERVE A COMMUNITY OF STUDENTS AND FAMILIES AND TO INCORPORATE THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT INTO THE LEARNING EXPERIENCE.
IN ADDITION TO CLASSROOM INSTRUCTIONS, JOHN PAUL, THE GREATS CURRICULUM WILL INCORPORATE ANIMAL HUSBANDRY AND AGRICULTURAL SKILLS, OR SCHOOL SEEKS TO FOSTER STUDENTS THAT EXCEL IN THEIR STUDIES AND RESPECT THE HERITAGE OF THE ROCKLAND COMMUNITY.
JOHN PAUL, THE GREAT INTENDS TO UTILIZE THE EXISTING CLUBHOUSE AS A SCHOOL BUILDING.
THERE ARE NO CURRENT PLANS FOR ANY DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY EXCEPT FOR UTILIZING CERTAIN PORTIONS OF THE EXISTING DRIVING RANGE AND GOLF COURSE FOR TWO SPORTS FIELDS AND EXPANDING THE EXISTING PARKING LOT TO ACCOMMODATE.
UM, THE ADDITIONAL 50 SPOTS JOHN PAUL LAG GREAT HAS SPRING AND FALL SPORTS THAT WILL UTILIZE THESE FIELDS, BUT THERE WILL BE NO OUTDOOR LIGHTING GAMES AND PRACTICES WILL BE COMPLETE BY SUNDOWN.
JOHN PAUL, THE GREAT INTENDS TO MAINTAIN ITS SMALL FAMILY-LIKE CULTURE, AND THEREFORE THE STUDENTS, THE STUDENT POPULATION WILL NOT EXCEED 200 STUDENTS.
THE ACADEMY WILL HOST EVENTS FROM TIME TO TIME, SUCH AS
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THE ADMIRAL GOLD PRODUCTIONS MUSICAL PERFORMANCE, ET CETERA, THAT MAY BE ATTENDED BY ADDITIONAL PE PERSONS.UH, IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN TO THE BOWLING GREEN SOUTH PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, AS YOU WELL KNOW, THEY'VE HAD WEDDINGS IN THERE, THERE'S AN AUDITORIUM, SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S PERFECT FOR PLAYS AND, AND SUCH.
UM, MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ONE.
UH, THIS IS A PLAN, UM, WHICH WE'VE GOT, AND ON THIS PLAN, YOU CAN SORT OF SEE THE TWO LOCATIONS FOR THE FIELDS IN A LIGHT BLUE COLOR.
WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE LOCATIONS OFF THE FIELDS, WE TRIED TO KEEP THE NEIGHBORS INTO CONSIDERATION ON THIS.
UH, THESE LOCATIONS ARE IN THE LOW LINE AREAS OFF THE PROPERTY.
THEY'RE ALSO PRETTY WELL BUFFERED EXCEPT FOR ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE DRAWING HERE, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE OPEN, BUT WE ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO COMPLY WITH BUFFER REQUIREMENTS FOR THOSE NEIGHBORS, UM, BECAUSE THAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
UM, ALSO, UH, THE GREEN AREA UP BESIDE THE BUILDING SHOWS THE, THE PROPOSED AREA FOR THE NEW PARKING LOT.
UM, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 40 TO 50 SPOTS ON THE EXISTING LOT, AND WE PROBABLY GET ANOTHER ADDITIONAL 50 SPOTS, BRINGING IT UP TO ABOUT A HUNDRED.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THE TRAFFIC FLOW AS WELL.
WE'LL, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE TRAFFIC OUT TO THE MAIN THOROUGHFARE AND NOT THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS ON DALE ROAD.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE, UH, THE REASON, SORRY, MAY I GO OVER HERE FOR ONE SECOND PLEASE? THANK YOU.
UM, THE WELL IS LOCATED RIGHT HERE, AND YOU CAN SEE THE FIELDS ARE RIGHT HERE, SO WE HAVE TO STAY OUT OF THIS PIECE AREAS.
THAT'S WHY THE FIELDS ARE LOCATED HERE, HERE.
A LOT OF BUFFERS OVER ON THAT SIDE, THIS SIDE HERE, THIS SIDE HERE, BUT THIS IS THE AREA PROBABLY IS REQUIRING A LITTLE BIT MORE BUFFERS.
UM, I HAVE TO GO A LITTLE CLOSER ON THAT.
SO WHAT WE'VE ALSO TRIED TO DO, WE'VE HEARD FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC WAS A CONCERN.
SO THERE ARE TWO DROP, THERE'S TWO DROP OFF TIMES, THERE'S DROP OFF IN THE MORNING, PICK UP IN THE EVENING, AND WE'VE TRIED TO STAGGER THE TIMES OFF THE DROP OFFS AT THOSE TIMES.
SO THE TRAFFIC IS LESS AND IT'S MORE OF AN EVEN FLOW.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, HERE, I'M GONNA TRY AND READ THIS AT 8:00 AM AGAIN, I'LL MOVE OVER JUST FOR THE CLOSER, I'M SORRY.
UH, 8:00 AM STAFF UPPER SCHOOL, 8:00 AM TO EIGHT 20, ELEMENTARY AND PRIMARY, EIGHT 20 TO 8 45.
DISMISSAL TIMES ARE STAGGERED FOR THE PRIMARY AND THE AFTERNOON, 3, 3 15, ELEMENTARY AND PRIMARY, THREE 15 TO THREE 30.
AND THEN UPPER SCHOOL IS THREE 30 TO 3 45.
AND THEN STAFF LEAVE AT 4:00 PM UM, SO THAT SHOULD HELP WITH THE TRAFFIC GIVEN MORE EVEN FLOW AND IT'S NOT TOO MUCH OF A BURDEN.
NO BACKUPS, ALL THAT, THAT SORT OF THING.
UM, AGRICULTURAL LANDS, UM, USES BY RIGHTS AND THE AG SECTOR IN WARREN COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
NUMBER 12, FARM WINERIES, NUMBER 15, MICRO, MICRO BREWERIES.
NUMBER 16, DISTILLERY 17 A AGRITOURISM ACTIVITIES.
JUST THIS IS A, UH, MY WIFE AND I OWN A VAN CENTER IN MANASSAS, AND THIS IS A, A FRIEND OF OURS OWNS A, A FACILITY CALLED TWO SILOS.
THIS IS AN OUTDOOR BREWERY ON THE LEFT.
THIS IS SORT OF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING ON THE RIGHT, JUST AS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT'S ALLOWED BY RIGHT VERSUS WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR
UM, WE LIKE THE BREWERY
UM, WE, WE TRIED TO PUT SOME TRAFFIC NUMBERS TOGETHER TODAY.
AND OF COURSE SOME OF THESE, I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU ARE HYPOTHETICAL, BUT I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A GENERAL IDEA BASED ON WHERE WE'RE STARTING ON THE STATS.
SO ON THE LEFT SIDE, UH, ARRIVAL TIMES, UH, FIRST ARRIVAL, 80 MA 20 OR CAR COUNT, TOTAL CARS ARRIVING.
CARS THAT LEAVE ARE 18 STUDENTS ARRIVING ARE, UH, 86 STUDENTS.
SO WE'VE BROKEN DOWN THE ARRIVAL TIMES IN THE FIRST COLUMN.
ON THE SECOND COLUMN WE'VE GOT THE DISMISSAL TIMES.
AND THEN ON THE THIRD COLUMN, I JUST WANNA BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO, TO, TO SOME FOR MATH ON THAT.
40 CARS, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, BY FOURS, A HUNDRED AND 160 TRIPS BY FIVE DAYS IS 800 WEEKLY TRIPS.
UH, WE'VE WORKED OUT THE NUMBER WITH THE CARS, UH, 20 CARS BY TWO 40 TRIPS, 200 WEEKLY TRIPS.
BELOW THAT WE'RE, WE'RE CLOSED THREE MONTHS OF THE YEAR WE'RE THE CURRENT GOLF CLUB AND THE WEDDING VENUE IS NOT CLOSED, SO THAT BREAKS OUT SOME OF THE TRAFFIC AS WELL DURING THOSE TIMES.
SPORTS FOR SPORTS EVENTS, 20 CARS PER GAME, SIX GAMES TOTAL, UH, 240 TRIPS.
ONCE WE ADD UP ALL THE TRIPS FOR OUR USAGE BASED ON THIS DATA, IT'S COMING UP TO BE ROUGHLY 45,000 YEAR ROUND TRIPS.
SO THEN WE BROKE OUT THE CURRENT USAGE ON THE OTHER SIDE.
UM, YOU KNOW, IN SOME OF OUR RATIOS WHERE, YOU KNOW, 385 IS THE CURRENT OCCUPANCY FOR THE BUILDING, FOR THE GOLF CLUB, WE'RE PROPOSING A MAX OF 200 STUDENTS.
SO ALMOST HALF OF THAT, WE ASSUMED A THREE TO ONE RATIO ON THE OCCUPANCY.
128 CARS MAYBE FOR A WEDDING ONCE A WEEK, UH, PLUS STAFFING.
SO CIRCA 150 CARS PER WEDDING, THAT'S 300 TOTAL TRIPS PER WEEK.
GOLF COURSE USAGE, WE USED A HUNDRED GOLFERS PER DAY.
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UH, NOW TO BE QUITE HONEST, WE HADN'T NEED TO CHECK THAT DATA.WE HAVEN'T FOUND THAT OUT YET.
I WORKED ON A GOLF COURSE WHEN I WAS YOUNGER, SO I'M JUST TRYING TO USE MY BEST KNOWLEDGE ON THAT TO BE, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
THAT'S 85,000 YEAR ROUND TRIPS PER YEAR.
CURRENT USE, 85,000 YEAR ROUND TRIPS PER YEAR.
OUR PROPOSED USE 45,000, THAT'S ALMOST HALF ON THE TRAFFIC COUNT.
UM, MOVING ON SUMMARY POINTS, AND I'M GONNA BE ENDING UP SHORTLY HERE, GUYS.
UM, NUMBER ONE, RURAL AND HISTORIC ROCKLAND IS ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL.
WE BELIEVE THAT BRINGING THIS PRIVATE MONTESSORI AG RELATED FARM SCHOOL TO THIS AREA WILL ACTUALLY ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY IN MORE RURAL ACTIVITIES AND BRING IT BACK TO FARMING AWAY FROM THEIR CURRENT COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY.
SO, UH, RURAL AND HISTORIC ROCKLAND, THE CUP WILL BRING THIS PROPERTY BACK FROM A GOLF CLUB AND UNLIMITED WEDDINGS AND EVENTS TO A PRIVATE AG FARM SCHOOL THAT WILL HAVE NO MORE THAN 200 CHILDREN, CURRENTLY 141 AT ITS MAX SIZE.
THE CHILDREN WILL INVOLVE THE COMMUNITY IN AGGRAVATED ACTIVITIES ON THE PROPERTY.
NUMBER TWO, ROCKLANDS ALLIANCE MEETING.
AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE, UH, SOMEONE FROM THE ROCKLAND ALLIANCE HERE TONIGHT.
WE HAVE ATTENDED ROCKLAND ALLIANCE MEETINGS TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT THE VISION OF RURAL AND HISTORIC ROCKLAND IS.
WE BELIEVE OUR USAGE IS IN LINE WITH THAT VISION, AND WE, WE CURRENTLY INTEND TO GO TO MORE OF THOSE MEETINGS TO FURTHER UNDER UNDERSTAND THAT.
UH, NUMBER THREE, COMMUNITY OPEN FORUM.
WE HAVE HAD COMMUNITY OPEN FOR, UH, UH, FORUM IN A VERY TRANSPARENT AND WELCOMING FORMAT TO UNDERSTAND CONCERNS ON TRAFFIC WELL IN SEPTIC AS WELL AS FARMING ACTIVITIES.
THESE CONCERNS WILL ALSO BE ADDRESSED AND WE'LL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH GOVERNMENTAL STANDARDS AND REGULATIONS REGARDING OUR PROPOSED USAGES.
ADHERENCE TO COMP PLAN, COMP PLAN SPECIFIES DIRECTING FUTURE GROWTH INTO AN EFFICIENT AND SERVICEABLE FORM THAT WILL PRESERVE THE COUNTY'S PREDOMINANTLY RURAL CHARACTER.
THIS USE ACHIEVE THIS BY REVITALIZING THE AG USES AND REINVIGORATING THE HISTORIC TRAITS OF THE RURAL ROCKLAND AREA.
THE PROPOSED LAND USE WOULD KEEP A SIGNIFICANT AREA OF THE PROPERTY AND OPEN SPACE TO BE USED FOR ATHLETIC FIELDS, GARDEN AND FARMING AND LIVESTOCK CONTAINMENT AREAS.
FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES, THE SCHOOL'S CURRICULUM INCLUDES FARMING SKILLS, ANIMAL HUSBANDRY, GARDENING, AND AGRICULTURAL RESOURCE MANAGEMENT, THE FUTURE FARMERS OF THE ROCKLAND AREA, POSSIBLY, UH, TRAFFIC AND VDOT.
ALTHOUGH WE ARE WAITING ON FEEDBACK FROM VDOT, WE CAN ATTEST THAT THE PREVIOUS USE DID HAVE WEDDINGS AND AN OCCUPANCY INSIDE OF OVER 380 PEOPLE FOR THE BUILDING.
IN ADDITION TO THIS, THE CURRENT SCHOOL IS OPERATING OUT OF A VERY TIGHT FACILITIES AT THE UNITED METHODIST CHURCH HERE IN TOWN, AND WHICH HAS LED TO INVE TO IN INSTIGATE A VERY SMART AND WELL OUT TRAFFIC FLOW PLAN THAT WOULD STAGGER DROP OFF AND PICK UP TIMES TO MINIMIZE ANY TRAFFIC ISSUES AT THE CURRENT SITE.
THE CURRENT SITE IS MUCH TIGHTER THAN WHAT IS PROPOSED FOR ROCKLAND.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS DEMONSTRATING EARLIER ON THE TRAFFIC PLAN.
NUMBER SIX, WARREN COUNTY PUBLIC INSPECTIONS.
WE'VE ALREADY MET WITH MR. BEAM TO LOOK AT WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BRING THE BUILDING UP TO CODE.
UM, PANIC HARDWARE ON EGRESS DOORS, CHECKING A DA COMPLIANCE AND EXIT RAMPS, VERIFYING FIRE BARRIERS UPSTAIRS, COMPLIANT BETWEEN THE BASEMENT LEVEL AND UPPER LEVEL, AND VERIFYING THE TOILETS COMPLY WITH CODES.
UH, WE KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO DO AND WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THOSE IN THE APPROPRIATE FASHION AS WELL FOR OUR OCCUPANCY PERMIT, WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WE HAVE ALREADY RECEIVED PA FEEDBACK FROM THE WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, AND WE HAVE HIRED A SEPTIC INSPECTION COMPANY THIS WEEK WHO WILL BE PUTTING CAMERAS DOWN THERE, CHECKING EXACTLY, VERIFYING BASICALLY WHAT WE HAVE THERE.
WE'VE ALSO HIRED AN ENGINEER AND DESIGNER TO ENSURE THAT WE COMPLY WITH THE LOCAL PER GALLON DAILY COUNT THAT WE NEED.
SO THAT WILL ALL BE TAKEN CARE OF AND PRESENTED, UH, AND, AND PRETTY, PRETTY SHORTLY IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS, WE BELIEVE.
SO, UM, NUMBER EIGHT, UH, VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH WATER.
WE'VE RECEIVED FEEDBACK FROM THE OFFICE OF DRINKING WATER.
UNFORTUNATELY, ONE OF THE PARENTS IN OUR SCHOOL OWNS A WATER TREATMENT COMPANY AND CAN UPDATE ANY POTABLE WATER SYSTEM IS NEEDED WHILE IT'S ALSO CARRYING OUT ALL THE ROUTINE WATER INSPECTIONS.
SO THAT, THAT WAS GREAT THAT WE HAVE SOMEONE, UH, ON STAFF THAT CAN HELP WITH THAT AS WELL.
UH, THE CURRENT PARKING LOT HAS PARKING FOR ABOUT 40 TO 50 VEHICLES, AND WE'RE PROPOSING AN ADDITIONAL PARK, 50 PARKING SPOTS ON THE NEW PARKING AREA IN THE PROPOSED PROPOSED PLAN THAT TAKES PARKING UP TO 90 TO A HUNDRED CARS AVAILABLE ON SITE, WHICH IS MORE THAN ENOUGH FOR OUR NEEDS.
UM, WE BELIEVE THAT, UM, THIS IS ALSO GREAT FOR, UM, IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT OF THE BURDEN OFF THE SCHOOL SYSTEM BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S A PRIVATE SCHOOL, WHICH IS, UH, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY A, A GOOD FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE TAXPAYERS OF WARREN COUNTY.
AND WE DO BELIEVE, UM, THIS IS A REALLY GOOD USAGE FOR THIS SITE.
I MEAN, CURRENTLY IT'S BASICALLY A COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY AND WE'RE REDUCING IT BACK TO FARMING AND FOR THE KIDS.
SO, UM, RESPECTFULLY, WE'D, WE'D LOVE TO GET YOUR APPROVAL ON THIS, UH, PROGRAM AND WE WORK, WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK REALLY HARD WITH THE COMMUNITY ON THEIR CONCERNS AND MAKE SURE THIS IS A ONE, ONE FOR EVERYBODY.
SO I JUST WANNA THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LISTENING TONIGHT AND IF YOU HAVE ANY, ANY QUESTIONS.
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UM, ONE, BACK WHEN MY KIDS WERE COMING THROUGH INTRAMURAL SOCCER AND SOCCER THINGS AND ALL THAT WAS HUGE.FINDING PLACES TO PRACTICE WAS SOMETIMES ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOUR PLANS WERE TO OPEN UP THE FIELDS TO PRACTICE, YOU KNOW, FOR, YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN YOUR EXCLUSIVE USE ALSO TOO, I DON'T KNOW IF YOUR INSURANCE WOULD ALLOW IT.
THERE, I'M JUST JUST BRINGING THAT UP.
YEAH, WELL, THE, YEAH, I'M PRETTY SURE IT'S, IT'S, IT'S FOR OUR SCHOOL AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE PLAY ALL OUR TEAMS, OKAY, IT'S NOT GONNA BE, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GONNA TURN IT INTO A SOCCER PLEX, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE THINKING.
WE, WE ALREADY HAVE ONE OUT HERE.
IT'S LOW SCALE, IT'S FOR THE SCHOOL, IT'S FOR OUR KIDS, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL BE RIGHT, YEAH.
BE TRAINING THEMSELVES THERE AND NO LIGHTING.
UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GONNA BE NO LIGHTS ON THE FIELDS ITSELF.
IT'S JUST WE'RE GONNA GRADE, WE'LL GET THE GRADING PERMITS AND WE'RE JUST KEEPING THE CURRENT LIGHTS THAT'S ON THE CURRENT PARKING LOT.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY THING I HAD IS I COULD SEE YOU BEING APPROACHED.
ANYBODY GOT ANYTHING ELSE? IT'LL USE LESS WATER THAN A GOLF COURSE.
THE TRAFFIC'S NOT GONNA BE ANY WORSE THAN THE PEOPLE LIVING THAT'S NOT GONNA BE DRINKING.
THAT CAME UP AT OUR PUBLIC, UH, AT OUR SITE VISIT THAT DID
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT IS ZONED AG OH, I HATE TO BE THAT KIND OF GUY, BUT THEY CAN FILL IT WITH CHICKEN HOUSES.
I MEAN, IT'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT CAN GO IN THERE THAT YOU DON'T WANT.
UH, I DON'T THINK IT HAS TO BE MAINTAINED AS A BUFFER FOR THE R ONE TO BUILT AROUND THE GOLF COURSE, BUT IT'S A CHANGE OF USE.
BUT I, I DON'T THINK IT'S THE KIND OF USE THAT'S GONNA DESTROY THE VALUE OF THE NEIGHBORS OR THEIR PROPERTY VALUE.
SO I, I, I THINK IT'S A GOOD FIT.
I'D LIKE TO GET IT ON FOR PUBLIC HEARING NEXT MONTH.
I DROVE, I DROVE THROUGH THE COMMUNITY YESTERDAY OR, UH, LAST WEEK, AND THERE'S NOT A SINGLE SIGN OUT THERE LIKE WE HAD WITH AU SO IT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT LOOKS LIKE, OH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
NO, THIS, THIS IS A TOTAL DIFFERENT, COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, THE COMMUNITY'S HANDLING IT DIFFERENT.
I, I, I'LL, I'LL ADD, I THINK THE SCHOOL HAS DONE A GREAT JOB, UM, WITH THE, UM, COMMUNITY REACH OUT AND, UH, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ON FRIDAY.
THEY HAD A, A FORUM, UH, FOR THE ROCKLAND COMMUNITY.
I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY WELL ATTENDED.
UM, I GUESS JUST FOR THE, UH, COMMISSION TO BE AWARE, I THINK WHAT WE WILL HEAR NEXT MONTH, UM, CONCERNS FROM NEIGHBORS IS ABOUT TRAFFIC.
UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, MAIN, I WOULD SAY MAINLY TRAFFIC.
UH, I THINK A LOT OF THIS STEMS FROM PEOPLE WERE DISAPPOINTED TO NOT BE LIVING ON A GOLF COURSE ANYMORE.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT IS NOT, UH, FULLY EMBRACED BY THE COMMUNITY, BUT, UM, THERE ARE ALSO A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE IN FAVOR OF IT.
UM, I JUST, JUST WANTED TO, TO KIND OF GIVE YOU GUYS A HEADS UP OF, UH, YOU KNOW, I COULD EXPECT A, A DECENT AMOUNT OF PEOPLE TO BE OUT NEXT MONTH.
I'LL BE EXCITED TO SEE WHAT THEY GOTTA SAY.
BUT, UH, SAYING WE HEARD, WE HEARD WHAT THEY SAID A YEAR AGO, SO
UH, AND I ALSO SUPPORT, UM, HAVING THIS GO TO PUBLIC HEARING NEXT MONTH.
I'LL JUST MENTION ALSO THAT WE, WE DID PUT LETTERS OF SUPPORT IN YOUR PACKETS.
UH, I THINK WE RECEIVED ABOUT 39 OF THEM.
UH, I DON'T THINK WE RECEIVED ANY AGAINST.
UM, SO ANY FURTHER CITIZEN COMMENTS, WELL AGAIN, BE IN YOUR PACKETS AND WE'LL IDENTIFY THEM FOR OR AGAINST.
SO YOU'LL JUST KIND OF LOOK FOR THAT AND SEE WHAT THERE'S CONCERN.
SO I, I DIDN'T SEE THE MOTION IN HERE.
YOU WANT ME TO WING IT OR? I I GOT IT RIGHT HERE.
NOT IF I COULDN'T FIND, SORRY.
I MOVED THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AUTHORIZED THE PROPOSED CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THE ADVERTISEMENT FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
HOPEFULLY WE'LL SEE YOU AGAIN NEXT MONTH.
[VIII. Consent Agenda ]
THAT'S ALL OF OUR BUSINESS TONIGHT, EXCEPT FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR NEXT MONTH.MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED.
[IX. Commission Matters ]
MATTERS.YEAH, LEMME JUST GET TO THAT REAL QUICK HERE.
WELL, WE'LL JUST GO THROUGH THIS.
UM, SO WE HAVE OUR 2024 CITIZEN SURVEY, WHICH IS A FILLABLE PDF NOW POSTED ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE.
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UH, WE'RE BASICALLY, IT'S THE SAME SURVEY THAT WE HAD FROM 2018, AND SO IF ANY CITIZEN, UH, WANTS TO GO ON AND FILL THAT OUT, WE'LL START, UH, KEEPING TRACK OF THAT, UH, FOR, UH, OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.UM, WE LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC IN, IN REGARD TO THAT.
UM, AS FAR AS CHAPTER UPDATES, UH, I WOULD ASK THAT IF YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PLEASE REVIEW, UH, THE, THE PREVIOUS GOALS AND OBJECTIVES THAT WE HAD FOR OUR LAST, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT I HAD ON LAST MONTH'S AGENDA AND, UH, THERE'S POTENTIAL THAT WE CAN REVIEW THAT, UH, AT THE NEXT MONTH.
UM, WE ARE, UM, UH, GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE PROACTIVE ABOUT THIS MONTH AS TIME PERMITS.
UH, AND SO THAT, UM, UH, WE'LL BE WORKING ON THAT.
UH, I, I KNOW THAT YOU'VE MET HER, BUT WE HAVE A NEW MEMBER OF OUR TEAM.
UH, KELLY WALL IS OUR NEW PLANNER.
SHE'LL BE ASSISTING US, UH, WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND, UH, GENERAL PLANNING DUTIES, AND THEN ALSO, UH, MR. LENS WITH SOME OF THE CODE ENFORCEMENT, UH, REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE THERE.
UM, UH, MS. MUTTER HAS BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY ON THE WEBSITE TO TRY AND BRING THAT UP TO, UH, SNUFF WITH, UH, UH, PAGES FOR, UH, THE SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL OUTREACH, YOU KNOW, SO YOU CAN LOG IN AND, AND SEE JUST WHAT YOU NEED TO DO.
ALSO, WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE, UH, REPORTING MECHANISM FOR PROBLEMS WITH SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTALS.
I THINK WE'RE, WE'LL DO IT SPECIFIC TO THEM.
I THINK WE WANT TO JUST SPECIFICALLY DO THAT.
UM, AND I'LL JUST MENTION, UH, A COUPLE WAGONS HERE.
I DID ATTEND, UH, THE ROCK AND COMMUNITY PLANNING MEETING NUMBER TWO ON FEBRUARY 26TH, UH, 2024.
THAT WAS, UH, HOSTED BY THE SHENDO ALLIANCE, UH, FOLKS.
AND, UH, IT WAS VERY PRODUCTIVE.
UM, FORMER SUPERVISOR, MR. MAID WAS THERE.
UH, COMMISSIONER GORDON WAS THERE.
UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS SOME VERY GOOD DIALOGUE AND, UM, AND EXERCISES IN PLANNING THAT WE WERE ABLE TO UTILIZE.
THEY DO PLAN ON HAVING ONE MORE, UH, FOR THAT AREA.
AND IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THE PRIVATE SCHOOL WILL COME INTO PLAY.
WE'LL, I THINK WE'LL BE DISCUSSING SOME LAND USES AND THAT KIND OF THING.
UM, I ALSO LIKE TO MENTION, UM, WE, I ASKED OUR GIS, UH, COORDINATOR COREY GRIFFITH TO DO, UH, A PARCEL ANALYSIS FOR US.
IN THE LAST MEETING, WE DISCUSSED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT POTENTIAL FOR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS IN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT TO POTENTIALLY PROVIDE, NOT A, A LONG TERM, BUT AT LEAST A SHORT TERM SOLUTION TO SOME OF OUR HOUSING ISSUES.
AND THEN MAY BE SOME OF THE HOUSING ISSUES THAT FAMILIES ARE HAVING WITH HAVING TO KEEP MOM AND DAD CLOSE BY OR, OR, YOU KNOW, THEIR KIDS COMING BACK FROM COLLEGE AND NOT HAVING THE MONEY TO RENT AN APARTMENT.
SO AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT.
UM, WHAT I, I WON'T GO THROUGH THAT, UH, THESE, BUT WE'LL PROVIDE THESE TO YOU.
UM, WE ALSO LOOKED AT AGRICULTURAL TO RURAL RESIDENTIAL, UH, NUMBER OF PARCELS.
YOU KNOW, THE THOUGHT MIGHT BE WE LOOK AT WHERE, WHERE MIGHT BE AREAS THAT, UH, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO MAYBE POTENTIALLY HAVE REZONING OR FUTURE LAND USE FOR RURAL RESIDENTIAL.
RURAL RESIDENTIAL ALLOWS THE TWO ACRE LOTS THAT AG DOES, BUT YOU HAVE A, UH, BUILDING, UH, DENSITY OF FIVE ACRES.
SO USUALLY THOSE HAVE AN OPEN SPACE AREA THAT PRESERVES THAT AREA TO GIVE YOU THAT FIVE ACRE DENSITY.
UM, AND THEN LASTLY, UH, HE DID, UH, PROVIDE DATA CURRENTLY FOR SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS, UH, IN THE COUNTY OCCUPIED PARCELS WITH A PHYSICAL ADDRESS.
AND FOR VACANT PARCELS, NO PHYSICAL ADDRESS, WE HAVE 8,833.
SO THAT'S BASED ON HIS ANALYSIS.
WE'LL GIVE YOU SOME GOOD FOOD FOR THOUGHT.
UH, I THINK HOUSING IS GONNA BE A HUGE THING, UH, THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE ADDRESSING AND, AND WE'LL BE LOOKING THAT CLOSELY IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO, UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, YOU'RE GLAD TO ANSWER.
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OKAY.ON TO COMMISSION MEMBERS, ANYTHING WILL, NOTHING FOR ME.
UH, THE PROPERTY ON ROCKLAND ROAD IN 5 22, THEY'RE STARTING TO STRIP CUT.
RIGHT? THEY'VE, THEY'VE SUBMITTED, BUT THE TREE TREE VARIES IN THEIR APPLICATION ON THE DRAWINGS.
YOU TALKING ABOUT RUSH MARK ROCKLAND? MM-HMM.
THEY'VE CLEARED ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE END OF THE PROPERTY YEAH.
ALONG ROCKLAND ROAD AND UP TO THE HOUSE THAT HAD THE FIRE, THE SINGLE FAMILY RANCH.
UM, WELL, I'M, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY ABOUT, I KNOW THAT THEY'VE GONE THROUGH THE, THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THE PERMITTING AND SITE PLAN REVIEW PROCESS WITH US.
OUR STAFF IS, IS CURRENTLY REVIEWING THAT MR. BEAM HAS REVIEWED IT FOR SOME OF THE ENS AND STORM WATER.
UH, THIS, THIS IS THE PHASE ONE WHERE THEY'LL, THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE TWO, UH, WAREHOUSES TO THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, I'M, I'M NOT, I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I'M NOT REALLY FAMILIAR WITH WHAT THEY'RE CLEARING OR NOT CLEARING, BUT I CAN SPEAK TO MR. BEAM ABOUT THAT.
I WAS JUST RAISING IT UP BECAUSE I KNOW FROM OUR, OUR HEARINGS THAT WHAT WE LOOKED AT THE DRAWINGS IN CONCEPT, THEY HAD TREE SAFE AREAS AND THEY'RE, YEAH.
THEY DON'T APPEAR TO HAVE ANYTHING MARKED OFF.
THEY'RE JUST BULLDOZING EVERYTHING.
THIS IS OKAY, WELL WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AND, AND JUST SEE WHAT'S UP WITH THAT AND, YOU KNOW, WE'LL LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN.
SO, UH, SITE PLAN IS STILL UNDER REVIEW AND IS STILL OUT FOR AGENCY COMMENTS.
VDOT HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THEM, SO, OKAY.
THEY'RE ALLOWED TO START WORK WITHOUT APPROVED PLANS.
LET ME, LET ME RUN THIS BY MR. BEAM AND KIND OF FIGURE OUT WHAT'S, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT.
TYPICALLY, TYPICALLY EVERY JURISDICTION I'M FAMILIAR WITH PLANS HAS TO BE TOTALLY APPROVED.
BONDS POSTED AND THE WHOLE BIT BEFORE YOU STAKE DOWN TREE.
NOW I'LL, I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH THAT WITH YOU ON THAT.
I'LL TALK TO MR. BEAM AND SEE WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THAT.
THAT'S ALL PRIMARILY HIS, HIS, UH, EXPERTISE.
SO OTHER THAN THAT, THE ONLY THING I CAN SAY IS, KELLY, WELCOME.
YEAH, BUT YOU'RE ABOUT THREE INCHES SHORTER.
UH, JORDAN, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.
JACE, YOU'VE GOT A FEW THINGS.
YEAH, I'LL JUST MENTION THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS MET LAST THURSDAY.
WE HAD A VARIANCE REQUEST FOR A LOT, WHICH YOU ALL SAW FOR PRIVATE USE CAMPING.
SO IT WAS FOR THEIR 200 SQUARE FOOT SHED.
IT WAS A REQUEST FOR A 240 SQUARE FOOT SHED.
SO IT WAS A VARIANCE TO THE BUILDING SIZE.
AND ALSO THE LOT IS A CORNER LOT AND IT WAS 50 FEET WIDE AND SO IT COULDN'T MEET A 50 FOOT SETBACK FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, FOR YOUR INFORMATION, THE SETBACK, UH, VARIANCE WAS GRANTED AND THE BUILDING SIZE VARIANCE WAS DENIED.
SO, UH, YOU GOT SOME AND HAD TO GIVE UP SOME
OTHER THAN THAT, UM, WELCOME TO KELLY.
I'M ALREADY FEELING, UH, THE ADDITIONAL HANDS.
UH, IT'S DEFINITELY HELPFUL AND, UH, I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING SHE BRINGS TO THE TEAM.
WITH THAT, LOOKS LIKE WE CAN ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.