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GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE NEXT SESSION OF THE WARREN COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS BUDGET PROCESS.
DALEY, I'M GOING TO TURN THIS OVER TO YOU AND I SEE WE'VE GOT, UM, MRS. SHA AND MRS HOURS HERE, SO THANK YOU MA'AM.
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WE THOUGHT MAYBE THE FIRST THING WE WOULD LIKE TO DO TONIGHT IS JUST ASK THE COMMISSIONER AND THE TREASURER TO WALK THROUGH THE TAX SCHEDULE FOR YOU TO A LITTLE BIT UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR, WHAT YOUR PARAMETERS ARE THERE.AND YOU HAVE A SHEET LIKE THIS THAT THE COMMISSIONER PROVIDED? THAT'S THE SHEET.
IT'S NOT ATTACHED, NOT THE OTHERS ARE ALL CLIPPED TOGETHER.
THIS IS ONE AH, WELL, NO, THAT'S NOT IT.
YOU, YOU FORGOT TO TELL ME TO HAND THEM OUT.
NO, YOU CAN, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT TO WALK US THROUGH THIS.
SO I THINK WE HAVE 'EM, SO WHENEVER YOU'RE READY TO START.
UM, JUST TO GO OVER THE SCHEDULE, UM, ED HAD KIND OF LAID THIS OUT.
WE KIND OF NEED THE RATE SET, UH, NORMALLY BY THE 20TH IN ORDER FOR US TO BE ABLE TO TURN IT AROUND WITH US RUNNING THE TAX BOOKS, AND THEN THE TREASURER THEN WORKING WITH A THIRD PARTY VENDOR TO DO THE TAX TICKETS.
SO OF COURSE, THERE'S ADVERTISING INVOLVED ON THAT SCHEDULE AND, UM, THERE'S A TIMELINE TO WHEN IT'S GOTTA BE ADVERTISED.
AND THERE'S A WHAT DOCUMENT? I, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THAT.
NO, THAT'S HAVE WHAT THE TIMELINE THAT, THAT SHE'S DISCUSSING.
DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE ONE THAT YOU'RE TALKING? YEAH.
DO THEY HAVE THIS ONE? OH, OKAY.
I THINK, UM, MARCH 14TH, IS THAT THE YES.
SO THIS IS ALL OKAY, THEN WE DON'T WHAT? NO.
WE NEED TO MAKE COPIES OF THAT.
BUT IF YOU WANNA GO AHEAD, WE CAN WRITE THEM UNTIL WE GET THE OTHER AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS.
SO ANYWAY, USUALLY THEY SET IT BY THE 20TH, WHICH THIS YEAR, THE 20TH IS ON A SATURDAY AND YOU'RE TALKING APRIL? YES.
THE SOONER THEY'RE SET, THE BETTER IT IS FOR US AND THE BETTER IT IS FOR THE TREASURER TO BE ABLE TO, SINCE SHE'S NEW THIS YEAR, TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH A THIRD PARTY BECAUSE YOU'RE WORKING WITH A THIRD PARTY, IT TAKES LONGER FOR THE, FOR THE WHOLE PROCESS.
AND THIS ALSO MAKES IT BETTER FOR THE TOWN TO DO THEIR PART TOO.
WELL, NOW THE TOWN, THE TOWN IS SETTING THEIR RATES OR THEIR DEADLINE'S DIFFERENT THIS YEAR, THEY'RE MOVING THEM UP.
SO I GUESS AT SOME POINT YOU ALL WILL HAVE TO DECIDE IF THERE'S ANY RESOLUTION TO EAGLE THAT OUT AS FAR AS THE PENALTY AND INTEREST BIT.
BUT THERE WAS NO, UH, CHANGE OF A DUE DATE ON THIS FOR THE COUNTY.
BUT IT, IT DOESN'T TAKE, UH, THE COMMISSIONER'S OFFICE TOO LONG TO TURN ONCE YOU DO THE RATES AND THEN WE GET THE NOTIFICATION THE NEXT DAY.
WE USUALLY WILL MAKE FOR WE, FOR US TO GET THAT IN PAPER.
ONCE WE GET THAT, THEN WE START RIGHT THEN DOING THE TAX BOOKS.
AND WE DO THE TOWN BOOKS FIRST BECAUSE WE MATCH THE TOWN VALUE WITH OUR TOWN, WITH THE COUNTY RATE BOOK.
SO WE MAKE SURE THEY MATCH AND THEN WE RUN OUR COUNTY BOOKS.
SO, BUT THAT'S WHY WE RUN THOSE FIRST AND THE TOWN COURSE, THEY, THEY ALSO WORK WITH THE SAME THIRD PARTY VENDOR OUT OF LYNCHBURG TO DO THEIR TAX TICKETS.
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SO, UM, AND THIS IS ALL TO PREPARE FOR A JUNE 5TH DUE DATE.SO THIS TIMELINE SCHEDULE ACTUALLY GIVES THE COMMISSIONER FIVE DAYS, UH, OR 10 DAYS, AND IT GIVES THE TREASURER 10 DAYS TO WORK ON PROCESSING THE TAX BILLS.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? I HAVE A QUESTION.
IT COULD, I THINK IT'S FOR DR.
SO WHEN DOES THE BUDGET, UM, THE AUDIT COME IN WITH THIS TIMELINE? THE AUDIT? UM, APPROXIMATELY THE SECOND WEEK OF MAY IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AT THIS POINT.
HE IS, UM, THE AUDITOR INDICATED HE NEEDS SOME, UH, DATA THAT, UH, NEEDS TO BE PROVIDED FOR HIM.
SO THE DATE, UH, AND MAYBE WE, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS LADY, BUT IS THERE ANY WAY THAT THE BOARD CAN HAVE A DRAFT COPY OF THAT JUST TO SEE WHAT THE REVENUE THAT CAME IN VERSUS WHAT OUR EXPENDITURES
AND I DON'T MEAN TO DUCK YOUR QUESTION, MA'AM.
THE AUDITOR EXPLAINED THAT THEY HAVE CHANGED THEIR BUSINESS MODEL.
AND SO THEY'RE NOW, UH, DOING, UH, INCOME TAX, WHICH IN THE PAST THIS COMPANY JUST DID MUNICIPAL AUDITS.
AND SO HE HAS TO PUT THIS AUDIT TOGETHER, AND HE WON'T DO IT UNTIL THE LAST WEEK OF APRIL.
IF, UH, I DOUBT WE, WE WILL ASK IF WE CAN HAVE THE STATEMENT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE STATEMENT THAT DR.
JAMON SENT EVERYBODY FROM HERE, UH, PARTICULARLY IS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
BECAUSE, AND THIS IS, I'M ONLY SPEAKING FOR MYSELF.
I'M NOT GONNA FEEL COMFORTABLE TO SET ANY TAX RATE UNTIL I KNOW WHAT THE PRIOR PRIOR YEAR REVENUES WERE AND, UM, UH, EXPENDITURES.
I KNOW WE'RE WORKING WITH ESTIMATES.
I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND HOW IT ALL WORKS IN THE SYSTEM, BUT, UM, IF I WANNA SEE, I WANNA SEE THE NUMBERS.
AND EVEN IF IT'S IN THE DRAFT FORM, IF IT COMES FROM THE DRAFT OF THE, HIS AUDIT, REALIZING THINGS MIGHT, YOU KNOW, A PERCENT HERE OR PERCENT THERE, I AM WILLING TO, TO DO THAT.
BUT I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WHEN I LOOK AT ALL THESE NUMBERS.
AND WE'RE GONNA, AND I'M, AS THE BOARD PERSON, IS GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE HARD DECISIONS OF IF WE'RE GONNA RAISE TAXES, NOT RAISE TAXES, IF WE RAISE TAXES, HOW MUCH WILL IT BE UNTIL I HAVE THAT PART OF THE PUZZLE AND, AND, AND I'M DON SPEAKING TO MY, FOR MYSELF.
UM, BECAUSE THAT AUDIT IS ALSO GONNA, YOU KNOW, SHOW WHAT THE SCHOOL BOARD EXPENDITURES ARE.
WE ALWAYS RELY ON THAT AUDIT TO KNOW HOW MUCH THEIR SURPLUS WAS, IF THEY HAVE A SURPLUS, BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA PLAY IN TO THE BUDGET WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET FOR THE CAPITAL PLANNING.
SO, UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE AND LET EVERYONE KNOW, UH, BECAUSE I DO, I, YOU KNOW, I DO RESPECT THIS TIMELINE AND I DO WANT TO, YOU KNOW, GIVE YOUR, YOUR GROUP, YOU KNOW, YOUR DEPARTMENT, THE TIME IT NEEDS, BUT THEN I NEED SOME INFORMATION TOO TO MAKE THE RIGHT MY, MY DECISION.
UM, THE SECOND QUESTION I HAVE ON THIS SHEET HERE, I SEE THAT YOU DEDUCTED, UH, LESS LAND USE, UH, LAND USE DEFERRED.
DO WE HAVE TO ADD THE EXEMPTIONS FOR, UM, FOR OUR SENIORS AND OUR VETERANS IN THIS AS WELL? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT NEEDS TO BE PART OF THIS OR NOT.
THIS IS BASED ON A PRELIMINARY REAL ESTATE HANDBOOK, UHHUH
SO WHEN WE ARE DOING ESTIMATES AND MATCHING FIGURES UP AND ALL, WE RUN THESE MM-HMM.
UM, THIS DOES SHOW THAT YOU SUBTRACT THE LAND USE MM-HMM.
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LAND USE.AND THEN THAT GIVES YOU THE GRAND ASSESSED VALUE TOTAL.
AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT WOULD COME OFF OF THAT WOULD BE OUR TAX RELIEF FOR THE ELDERLY.
SO, BUT THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS RIGHT NOW THOUGH, IS THAT CORRECT? NO, I, I PUT IT DOWN THERE JUST FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES.
WHAT WE HAVE UP TO THE CURRENT DATE.
SO AS OF DECEMBER, THE EXEMPTION TAX EXEMPTION WAS 637 K? YES, MA'AM.
SO WE COULD MAKE THAT'S HALFWAY SO WE COULD MAKE AN ASSUMPTION.
THE OTHER HALF IS, THAT'S FOR THE FULL YEAR OF 23.
JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND THE NUMBERS.
SO DO, DO WE HAVE A, A MEDIUM, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, YOU YOU'VE GOT THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE FAMILY COUNTY, UH, THE APARTMENTS.
DO WE HAVE LIKE A, A MEDIAN IDEA OR A, OR A, AN AVERAGE IDEA AS TO WHAT THE, UH, WHAT THE AVERAGE OR MEDIAN, UH, HOUSEHOLD, WHAT THAT WOULD, WHAT THE VALUATION WOULD BE? YES.
TWO HUNDRED SIXTY NINE THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED SIXTY NINE THOUSAND SIX HUNDRED.
DO YOU HAVE A VERSION INCLUDING LAND? PARDON? TO, DO YOU HAVE A, A LAND PLUS IMPROVEMENTS TOTAL? UH, AVERAGE ASSESSED VALUE? I DON'T HAVE THAT WITH THE LAND.
THE, THE, BECAUSE THE, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THE TAX RATES ARE, UH, I KNOW THAT WHEN I GET MY TAX BILL, IT, IT PUTS BOTH OF THOSE TOGETHER AND THEN THAT'S WHAT I GET TAXED ON.
THE REASON WE DID NOT INCLUDE THE LAND AND WE ONLY PUT THE IMPROVEMENT ON THERE, IS BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE MAY HAVE MORE LAND.
SO THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T INCLUDE THAT.
BUT IF YOU WANT AN OVERALL AVERAGE OF EVERYTHING, INCLUDING THE LAND, WE CAN DO THAT.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, UH, JUST TO, JUST TO GIVE A GENERAL IDEA AS TO OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE, UH, WHAT THE AVERAGE OR THE MEDIAN ASSESSED VALUE IS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.
UM, GETTING BACK TO THE PAPER THAT I'VE HANDED OUT TO YOU ALL ON REAL ESTATE, UM, DID I SAY THIS IS ALL BASED ON A PRELIMINARY SUMMARY THAT WE RUN EVERY YEAR OR AS OFTEN AS WE WANT? UM, AND YOU ALL HAD ASKED FOR THE TOTAL ASSESSED VALUE AND WHAT PERCENTAGE IT WAS, UH, COMPARED TO THE ASSESSMENT.
SO I CALCULATED THIS OUT FOR YOU FROM THIS REPORT.
IT WAS LIKE 78% FOR THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL AND APARTMENTS TOWN AND COUNTY.
AND FOR THE COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL, IT'S 14.49%, AND THEN AG 20 ACRES UP TO A HUNDRED AND ABOVE IS 7.41%.
SO THAT ALL, ALL TOTALS 99.9%.
AND THEN THIS, UH, FIRST REPORT THAT WE RAN WAS ON THE 49 CENTS RATE, JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU WHAT THE TAX DOLLARS WOULD COME IN ON THAT ASSESSED VALUE.
AND THEN I ADDED A PENNY, JUST SO YOU KIND OF GET AN IDEA OF HOW IT GO UP.
IT'S LIKE 600 AND SOME THOUSAND DOLLARS DIFFERENCE BETWEEN EACH PENNY AT IT.
AND IF YOU COME UP WITH MORE QUESTIONS ON THIS, JUST LET ME KNOW.
I'M HAPPY TO DO SOME MORE DIGGING.
SO, SO I DID A LITTLE BIT OF, OF JUST CALCULATING HERE AND THE, UH, UH, I TOOK A LOOK AT SOMETHING THAT I WOULD CONSIDER WOULD BE HIGH, WHICH WOULD BE $750,000, YOU KNOW, ASSESSED VALUE.
I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S HIGH OR IF IT'S MEDIAN OR LOW OR WHATEVER NOWADAYS TIED TO ME NOWADAYS, WHO CAN TELL, YOU KNOW, BUT THE, BUT WITH THAT OF, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, YOU FIGURE IT'S ABOUT A $75 INCREASE PER PENNY ON THE, UH, UM,
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WHICH, WHICH TO ME IS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S SIGNIFICANT.SO DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS? OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
WE, WE MAY BE BACK WITH YOU WITH MORE QUESTIONS AFTER LOOKING AND THANKING ON THIS.
BUT THANK YOU, MR. BARRY WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT SOLID WASTE.
GOOD EVENING EVERYONE, MADAM CHAIR AND BOARD.
UM, I'M GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME SOLID WASTE AND, UM, I KNOW I'VE, I GUESS MOST RECENTLY PRESENTED BUDGET AND, UM, IF YOU LOOKED AT THAT, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY HEFTY.
UM, THE SOLID WASTE PORTION'S, ABOUT $4.3 MILLION OF YOUR BUDGET.
THAT INCLUDES ALL YOUR REFUGE COLLECTION AND, UM, DISPOSAL.
UM, JUST LIKE OTHER INDUSTRIES, UM, THE WASTE INDUSTRY, YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE NOTICED ESPECIALLY SINCE COVID, A LOT OF OPERATIONAL CHALLENGES, LABOR SHORTAGES, LABOR COST INCREASES AND, AND EQUIPMENT CONCERNS.
UM, I KNOW OUR, WE WERE TALKING LAST NIGHT, AND I DIDN'T BRING THE ESTIMATE, BUT OUR MOST RECENT PURCHASE, I, I THINK IT WAS PROBABLY $150,000 IN OUR LOADER, UH, OR BETTER, MORE THAN OUR LAST ONE.
UM, SO WE WANNA TALK ABOUT OUR, OUR REFUSE COST SOME TODAY, UM, AND SOME CONCERNS WE HAVE.
UM, AND, AND I, I PRESENT IT TO THE BOARD IN, UM, OCTOBER, JUST DOING SOME WORK SESSION AS WELL.
UM, AND, AND JUST BRINGING SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS BACK.
I LIKE TO USE, YOU KNOW, A FULL YEAR, UM, LOOKING AT FISCAL YEAR 22 AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW.
SO, YOU KNOW THAT AT, AT THE TRANSFER STATION, WHEN I SAY REFUGE DISPOSAL, ALL OUR BUDGET IS ONE BUDGET NOW INCLUDES REFUGE COLLECTION DISPOSAL.
WE DO HAVE I LINE ITEM BREAKDOWNS THAT WE CAN PULL THOSE PARTICULARS OUT IF NECESSARY.
WE USED TO HAVE THREE BUDGETS AND NOW WE HAVE ONE.
WE'RE CURRENTLY, UM, CHARGING $69 PER TON.
AND, AND BASED ON OUR FISCAL YEAR 22, UM, ACTUAL NUMBERS AND ACTUAL TONNAGE, WE WERE AT $68 AND 44 CENTS PER TON.
UM, AND THAT, SO THAT'S A WEIGHTED COST.
SO FOR THAT TIME PERIOD, YOU KNOW, WE WERE, WE WERE RIGHT ON THE FRENCH.
UM, AND, AND, UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE WHEN YOU SAY RIGHT ON? WHAT, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? UM, SO I'M SAYING FOR TOTAL COST.
SO WE'RE CHARGING $69 PER TON AND, AND WE ARE, WE WERE JUST COVERING OUR COSTS, JUST BARELY BREAKING EVEN.
DOES THAT TOTAL COST INCLUDE, UM, ADMINISTERING ALL THIS? UH, IT DOESN'T INCLUDE MY COST AT ALL.
IT INCLUDES THE, THE MANAGEMENT ON THAT SITE.
UM, OUR SOLID WASTE MANAGER, UM, EQUIPMENT OPERATOR SCALE HOUSE, UH, ET CETERA.
BUT IT DOESN'T INCLUDE RESIDENTIAL, IS THAT CORRECT? ACCORDING TO THIS, NOTE THIS, IT'S ONLY FOR COMMERCIAL.
SO THE, THE $69 PER TON IS CHARGED TWO COMMERCIAL CLIENTS ONLY.
SO SEVERAL TIMES, AS I GO THROUGH MY SLIDES, I MENTION THAT BECAUSE I KNOW I HAVE, AND I MENTIONED YESTERDAY, I HAVE HAD BOARD MEMBERS LIKE, OH MY, WE HAVE A MAJOR DEFICIT AND WE HAVE TO REALIZE THAT A PORTION OF OUR, OUR BUDGET IS GENERALLY FUNDED.
SO OUR RESIDENTS, THE TRASH THAT YOUTH THROW AWAY AT THE COMPACTORS, WE CURRENTLY USE THE GENERAL FUND TO SUPPORT THE REFUSE BUDGET, EVEN AT THE TRANSFER STATION, AT MINIMUM 50%.
UM, SOME YEARS IT'S BEEN AS MUCH AS 55% OF OUR WASTE WAS RESIDENTIAL IN NATURE AND NOT FROM BUSINESSES, OUR COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE.
SO, WELL, I THINK WE NEED TO CLARIFY THOUGH, BECAUSE I CAN TAKE MY HOUSEHOLD TRASH AND I DON'T GET, IF, IF I PUT IT IN MY DUMP TRUCK, RIGHT? AND I SAY IT'S HOUSEHOLD BECAUSE IT IS, I DON'T GET CHARGED.
I CAN TAKE IT UP, DUMP IT ON THE TIP OF THE FLOOR AND MOVE ON, AND DON'T GET CHARGED IF I TEAR DOWN A BUILDING OR TEAR OFF A ROOF.
AND IT'S THAT, EVEN THOUGH I'M STILL A RESIDENT, I'M NOT COMMERCIAL, I HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT CONSTRUCTION DEMOLITION MATERIAL.
YOU AND, AND I, AND I HAVE SOME NOTES THROUGHOUT, BUT AS A RESIDENT YOU GET 999 POUNDS FREE PER DAY ONCE A DAY FOR THAT, THAT BULK MATERIAL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT? UM, THIS JUST SHOWS YOU A GRAPH OF FROM 2012 TO 2023.
JUST WANTED TO KINDA SHOW YOU, UM, HOW, HOW WE'VE TRENDED.
I, MANY YEARS AGO I LOOKED AT THE, THE PRIOR 10 YEARS AS I STARTED TRACKING DATE, I STARTED WITH THE COUNTY IN 2011.
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AND WE, AND WE AVERAGED 30,000 TONS A YEAR.SO WE HAVE, UM, PROGRESSIVELY, UM, MOVED, MOVED UP AND, AND WE'RE GETTING CLOSER TO THAT 40,000 TONS A YEAR RANGE, UM, AS, AS WE GO ALONG.
AND, AND THAT GOES WITH POPULATION AND AS WE INCREASE THE BUSINESSES WE HAVE IN THE COUNTY.
AND THIS IS JUST FOR REFERENCE ALSO, I WANTED TO, TO SHOW YOU, UM, JUST LOOK AT EXPENDITURES AND, AND OFFSETTING REVENUE.
AND, AND YOU CAN SEE, UM, YOU KNOW, 2020, UM, WE DID HAVE A LOT MORE RESIDENTIAL WASTE.
A LOT MORE PEOPLE WERE HOME THAT YEAR.
SO THAT, AND THERE WAS SOME CONSTRUCTION IN THE COUNTY THAT YEAR AS WELL.
BUT, UM, WE DID SEE A MAJOR SHIFT WITH THE RESIDENTIAL WASTE DURING THAT COVID PERIOD.
BUT YOU CAN SEE OUR EXPENDITURES, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY TYPICALLY STEADILY CLIMB YEAR BY YEAR.
AND, UM, OFFSETTING REVENUE THANKFULLY HAS, HAS GONE UP AND, AND AGAIN, 2020 KIND OF IS THE ANOMALY.
AND I, AND I, I THINK COVID WAS THE PRIMARY REASON FOR THAT.
UM, AND YOU CAN SEE I'M ANTICIPATING A, A POTENTIAL MAJOR INCREASE IN COST THAT, UM, I WASN'T ANTICIPATING WHEN WE STARTED THE BUDGET PROCESS.
IT'S, CAN YOU EXPLAIN A LITTLE MORE ABOUT WHAT'S DRIVING THAT? WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE HITTING.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE ACTUALLY IN, AND WE WILL GO THROUGH IT AND, AND SOME OPTIONS AND, AND LOOK AT FEES.
BUT, UM, WE'RE LOOKING, WE'RE, WE'RE ACTUALLY IN, IN A PROCESS.
WE HAVE, UH, LONG-TERM AGREEMENTS ON OUR, UM, OUR HANDLING OF WASTE WITH OUR CONTRACTORS AS FAR AS OUR COMPACTORS, OUR EVERYTHING WE RENT, UM, ALL THE POOLS FROM OUR CONVENIENCE SITES, ALL OUR LONG HAUL TRUCKING.
UM, AND, AND THEN ALSO, UM, WITH OUR LANDFILL THAT WE USE.
UM, AND WE ARE IN THE, UH, NEGOTIATION PROCESS THERE ALSO.
AND, AND WE'RE ANTICIPATING THE POTENTIAL FOR A MAJOR INCREASE.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO KINDA GET TO TODAY, BUT ALSO LET YOU LOOK AT THE SURROUNDING AREA, UM, WHERE WE ARE AND, AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IN REGARDS TO, UM, AND WASTE, UM, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS A WHOLE AND AS FAR AS OUR, OUR TRANSFER STATION AND, AND WHAT WE COULD BE, UM, POTENTIALLY LOOKING AT AND HOW IT COULD AFFECT THE BUDGET.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS, AND THERE'S MULTIPLE COUNTIES, THERE'S MULTIPLE, UH, SECTIONS HERE BECAUSE, UH, MS. COLOR'S MENTIONED CONSTRUCTION MATERIAL.
IF YOU GO ONLINE, YOU'LL SEE SOME PLACES HAVE, I MEAN, THEY MIGHT BREAK DOWN, UH, BRICK AND BLOCK.
IT MIGHT BE DIFFERENT THAN UM, CONSTRUCTION.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, UM, YOU CAN SEE COMMERCIAL MSW, UM, THE HIGH FOR THE COUNTIES THAT WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVE IS 71 PER TON.
AND I HAVE A LITTLE ASTERISK THERE AT PAGE COUNTY BECAUSE THAT IS, UM, WHAT, WHAT I'VE RECENTLY READ.
RIGHT NOW ON THEIR WEBSITE YOU'LL SEE 45 PER TON.
UM, AND, AND 71 PER TON IS ACTUALLY IN LOUDOUN COUNTY, VIRGINIA.
AND THEN YOU LOOK AT COUNTY RATE, AND I PUT A NOTE THERE, IT'S WHEN BROUGHT BY RESIDENTS, LIKE YOUR BAG TRASH, YOUR, MOST OF YOUR SURROUNDING AREA, IT'S $0 PER TON.
UM, FREDERICK COUNTY, IF IT'S AT 22 PER TON, IF YOU GO OVER A THOUSAND POUNDS, UM, LOUDOUN COUNTY, YOU PAY FOR EVERYTHING, 71 PER TON, MINIMUM $70 PER VEHICLE FOR UP TO 10 BAGS.
UM, AND, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THERE, YOU KNOW, UH, PRINCE WILLIAM COUNTY ACTUALLY HAS A SOLID WASTE FEE THAT THEY, THEY CHARGE ANNUALLY.
SOME OF THE AREAS HAVE A MUNICIPAL RATE.
UM, FOR US, THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, UM, WE CHARGE 69 PER TON FOR COMMERCIAL.
AND THEN WE DON'T CHARGE 'EM ANYTHING FOR RESIDENTIAL FAKI COUNTY.
UM, IT GOES DOWN $10 A TON, BASICALLY FOR THOSE TOWNS THAT ARE IN FAKI.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT FREDERICK, THEIR MUNICIPAL RATE, THAT WOULD BE FOR, YOU KNOW, UH, CITY WINCHESTER OR CLARK COUNTY, THEY'RE PART OF A REGIONAL LANDFILL.
UH, PAGE COUNTY IS GOING TO CHARGE 35 A TON TO EVERYONE.
JULY ONE SHENANDOAH IS AT 43 20.
SO THEY, THEY COME DOWN A LITTLE BIT FOR THOSE LOCAL TOWNS, UM, FROM THEIR BASIC TIPPING.
BUT I MEAN, YOU CAN READ PRINCE WILLIAM HAS A TIERED APPROACH.
UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF GIVE YOU A, A LOOK AT THOSE RATES AND WHERE WE ARE AND AS WE MOVE THROUGH, I, I THINK I HAVE NOTES IN SEVERAL PLACES THAT ONE THING THAT YOU GOTTA REMEMBER IS THAT EVERYBODY ELSE HAS A LANDFILL.
AND WE DO NOT, WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE AN ACTIVE LANDFILL.
SO JUST LOOKING AT THESE TWO COLUMNS, SO THE CONSTRUCTION IS, UM, WHAT EVERYONE CHARGES FOR CONSTRUCTION DEBRIS, AND THEN THE TOWN IS WHAT EVERYONE CHARGES THEIR THEIR TOWNS, RIGHT? YES.
EVERY, SO IF YOU ADD, SO IF I LOOK AT FAULKNER, I CAN'T PRONOUNCE THAT, SO I'M SORRY.
UM, SO THEY CHARGE $66 AND 50 CENTS FOR CONSTRUCTION DE UH, DEBRIS.
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MM-HMM.AND FOR ANY TOWNS, THEY CHARGE THEM $56.
WHEREAS WE JUST DO COMMERCIAL AND WE DON'T CHARGE THE, OR THE TOWN AND THE RESIDENTIAL.
SO THAT, SO I, THAT'S HOW I COULD READ THIS COLUMN.
WE DON'T CHARGE THE TOWN FOR RESIDENTIAL WASTE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT? IS THERE, YOU SAID THAT WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE AN ACTIVE LANDFILL.
AND, UH, I MEAN, HAS THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSION BEFORE MY TIME WITH THE COUNTY? I CAN TELL YOU TWO LOCATIONS THAT WERE DISCUSSED.
ONE IS NOW ANDY GAS STATE PARK, AND THE OTHER IS BLUE RIDGE SHADOWS.
UM, THOSE WERE BOTH DISCUSSED AND, AND THE PUBLIC REALLY WAS NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT.
UM, TWO BEAUTIFUL AREAS IN THE COUNTY.
UM, NOBODY REALLY TODAY WANTS A LANDFILL IN THEIR BACKYARD.
ARE THERE ANY SCUZZY AREAS THAT WE COULD CONSIDER OR, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE YOU CAN HELP ME OUT WITH THAT? NO,
DO WE HAVE A, AND I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO GIVE AN EXACT, BUT DO YOU HAVE KIND OF A ROUNDABOUT NUMBER OF COMMERCIAL TOWN TONNAGE? I DO.
YEAH, I WAS KIND OF FLIPPING FORWARD AND I DIDN'T SEE IT.
YEAH, I HAVE, I HAVE A BUNCH OF STUFF IN HERE.
UM, SO THE SIGNIFICANT WASTE COST CHANGES THAT I MENTIONED WE'RE, WE'RE CURRENTLY, UM, AT THE RFP STAGE AND, AND, UM, WE'VE, WE'VE KIND OF KICKED IT BACK AND FORTH WITH FINANCE.
I THINK WE'RE AT, AT THE GO GO STAGE HOPEFULLY THIS WEEK.
UM, I DID, I DID, UH, FOR THAT PORTION, I TYPICALLY, WE HAVE UP TO A 5% CPI ADJUSTMENT ANNUALLY ON OUR, UM, COLLECTION AND DISPOSAL CONTRACT.
UH, BUT I, YOU KNOW, IN MY MIND, I'M, I'M THINKING, LOOKING AT THE CPI, YOU KNOW, 3% OVER THE LAST 12 MONTHS, MORE THAN LIKELY THEY'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THAT ALSO AS THEY PROJECT A, A COST TO THE COUNTY.
THE BIG CONCERN I HAVE IS, AS I MENTIONED, WE'RE ALSO REVIEWING OUR LANDFILL AGREEMENT WITH BATTLE CREEK AND, AND BASED ON, UM, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE POTENTIAL OF $750,000 INCREASE IN, IN OUR TIPPING FEES.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY MAJOR FOR, FOR THAT BUDGET.
AND THAT'S PRIMARILY, UM, BECAUSE OF CONSTRUCTION DEMOLITION MATERIAL.
AND, AND THEY WANT TO SEGREGATE THAT AND WANT ALL THEIR CLIENTS TO SEGREGATE THAT OUR TRANSFER STATION WAS NOT DESIGNED FOR, TO BE A MATERIAL RECOVERS FACILITY.
I MEAN, WE CAN DO THE BEST WE CAN, BUT WE WEREN'T SET UP FOR THAT.
SO JUST COMING UP WITH SOME OPTIONS AND LOOKING AT THE SURROUNDING AREAS, WHAT COULD WE DO? AND AGAIN, I'M JUST, I'M JUST THROWING OPTIONS.
I'M NOT TELLING YOU WHAT TO DO.
UM, IMPLEMENT AN ANNUAL SOLID WASTE FEE, UM, SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT FEE, IT WOULD APPEAR ON THE REAL ESTATE PROPERTY TAX BILL.
UM, I, I THINK THAT IS A, A VIABLE OPTION.
ANOTHER OPTION IS INCREASE YOUR COMMERCIAL TIPPING FEE.
AND I HAVE IT ON ANOTHER SLIDE, BUT WE HAVEN'T INCREASED OUR FEE, I BELIEVE SINCE 2013.
UM, YOU COULD USE A COMBINATION OF OPTIONS.
YOU COULD, UH, POTENTIALLY OPERATE AS A ENTERPRISE FUND AND, AND RETURN YOUR GENERAL FUNDING ALLOCATION.
UM, YOU WOULD HAVE TO MAKE SOME MOVES AND, AND I'LL, I'LL BRING THOSE UP.
BUT AGAIN, WE'RE $4.3 MILLION IN TOTAL SOLID WASTE COST IN THE NEXT YEAR OR PLUS.
SO YOU WOULDN'T, UM, NOT HAVE AN OPTION OF CHARGING RESIDENTIAL FEES TO OFFSET THAT WASN'T AN OPTION? WELL, IT IS AN OPTION.
WE CAN CHARGE, I MEAN, YOU CAN GO WITH WHATEVER OPTION YOU WANT TO GO WITH.
YEAH, I WAS JUST LOOKING AT YOUR BULLETS AND I DIDN'T SEE THAT HERE.
THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALL I'M QUESTIONING.
AND I'M GONNA GO THROUGH, UH, A LITTLE MORE.
ALL, UM, AGAIN, OUR CURRENT FEE IS 69 PER TON.
WE WENT OVER HOW I GOT THAT COST AND, AND THAT'S LOOKING AT OUR CURRENT FIXED CONTRACT COSTS, WHICH HAVE ANNUAL CPIS.
UM, YOU HAVE TO REALIZE WE HAVE, UH, WARREN COUNTY COST ADMIN, LABOR EQUIPMENT, MAINTENANCE SCALE, HOUSE FUELS, ROAD LEAD SHAPE, LITTER CONTROL, UM, YOU KNOW, AND AT THAT SITE WE STILL HAVE A CLOSED LANDFILL THAT, THAT WE, THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO MONITOR WATER, GROUND WATER, UM, AND GAS AS WELL.
SO WE'RE, WE, AND I MENTIONED THE DATE, BUT OUR CURRENT FEE TIPPING FEE HAS NOT BEEN INCREASED SINCE 2013.
AND AT THAT TIME, I WAS HERE AT, MOVED FROM 67 TO $69 PER TON.
WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN WATCHING THAT NUMBER AND, AND YOU KNOW, I WAS HONESTLY GETTING A LITTLE SCARED AS IN THE LAST YEAR, ARE WE GOING TO BE COVERING OUR COST? MM-HMM.
UM, JUST SOME, SOME INFORMATION FROM EREF
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AND, AND THAT'S THE ENVIRONMENTAL RESEARCH AND EDUCATION FOUNDATION.THEY HAVE SOME REALLY GOOD WASTE INFORMATION.
UM, AND, AND IN VIRGINIA, ACTUALLY, WITH THEIR DATA, WE'RE CONSIDERED PART OF THE NORTHEAST SECTION OF THE UNITED STATES, BUT IT RELEASES INFORMATION AND, AND IT INCLUDES DATA FROM 348 MSW LANDFILLS, AND THAT'S MUNICIPAL SOLID WASTE, IF YOU DON'T KNOW THAT TERM.
UM, AND, AND ACROSS ALL 50 STATES, AND IN THE 2022 ITERATION OF THE REPORT, IT SHOWED A STEEP INCREASE OF FEES, NATIONWIDES, APART FROM THE SOUTHEAST, WHICH ONLY EXPERIENCED A 2% INCREASE.
SO THEY'RE, THEY, THEY LOOK AT THE WEIGHTED AND UNWEIGHTED TIPPING FEES.
AND UNWEIGHTED MEANS IT'S AN AVERAGE OF ALL FEES WITH EACH LANDFILL REPORTING BEING EQUALLY WEIGHTED.
AND THEN WEIGHTED MEANS THE FEES BASED ON THE RELATIVE AMOUNT OF MSW.
AND THAT'S HOW I DETERMINE OUR TIPPING FEE BASED ON THE MSW AND, AND THOSE FEES.
AS YOU LOOK FORWARD, I PUT TWO YEARS HERE JUST FOR VIEW.
UM, IN 2022, THE WEIGHTED TIPPING FEE FOR THE NORTHEAST REGION WAS 85 41 PER TON.
SO WE ARE CURRENTLY UNDER, AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, VIRGINIA'S USUALLY A LITTLE CHEAPER THAN THE, THE, THE REST OF THE NORTHEAST.
BUT AGAIN, THIS IS BASED ON LANDFILL TIPPING FEE, TIPPING FEES, AND WE ARE A TRANSFER STATION, SO WE'RE HAULING, AND THEN WE'RE HAULING TO PAY A TIPPING FEE AT SOMEONE ELSE'S LANDFILL.
SO WE NEED TO CONSIDER THAT ALSO.
UM, BUT YOU CAN SEE FROM 2021, THE AVERAGE WAS 69.94 AND WE'RE CURRENTLY AT $69 PER TON.
AND OVER HERE IN 22 IT'S 85 41 PER TON.
UM, AND, AND THIS IS ONE PLACE THAT OUT WEST, THEY'RE ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT LOWER THAN US.
UM, I, ANY, ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? I MEAN, I THINK IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT TO SEE THOSE, THAT INFORMATION NATIONALLY AND REGIONALLY AS YOU DISCUSSED THIS.
SO, YOU KNOW, ALTHOUGH WE'RE LOOKING AT STEEP INCREASES, WE ARE WITHIN OUR AVERAGE IN THE AREA THAT WE, WE WE RESIDE IN, UM, WE ALREADY LOOKED AT A LOT OF THESE, UM, COUNTIES.
UM, BUT IN THAT, WE'RE PART OF THE NORTHERN SHENANDOAH VALLEY REGIONAL COMMISSION SOLID WASTE AREA.
I ACTUALLY SIT ON THAT, UM, THAT BOARD AND UM, YOU KNOW, SO YOU KNOW, FREDERICK PAIGE, NANDO CITY, WINCHESTER CLARK, YOU KNOW, I, I MEET WITH THOSE GUYS AND, UM, AND YOU KNOW, SO I, I'M FAMILIAR USUALLY WHEN SOMETHING'S GOING ON OR, OR THEY'RE CHANGING SOMETHING IN THEIR PROGRAM.
BUT, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE HAS SEEN TIPPING FEE INCREASES.
AND, AND SOME OF THOSE, AS MENTIONED, THE CONTRIBUTIONS COME FROM CPI.
UM, MOTOR VEHICLE REPAIRS HAVE GONE, GONE UP.
EQUIPMENT REPAIRS HAVE GONE UP.
MANUFACTURING COST OF EQUIPMENT I MENTIONED EARLIER AND, AND COST OF LABOR.
AND AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE A LANDFILL.
SO OUR, OUR EXPENSES ARE GOING TO BE MORE THAN EVERYBODY ELSE UP THERE.
'CAUSE THEY HAVE AN ACTIVE LANDFILL ALREADY MENTIONED.
OUR TWO, OUR TWO CHALLENGES, UM, RFPS COMING UP, WE COULD SEE POTENTIAL.
I, I HOPE, BUT I DON'T LOOK FORWARD TO THAT HAPPENING.
UM, BUT OUR, OUR BATTLE CREEK AGREEMENT, THEY'RE REQUESTING CONSTRUCTION, DEMOLITION DEBRIS BE SEPARATED.
AND AGAIN, IT'S OUR, OUR TRANSFER STATION IS REALLY NOT SET UP FOR THAT.
AND, AND WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT AND, AND THERE WAS A RECENT ARTICLE IN THE PAPER, UM, THEY'RE LOOKING AT A A 35 PER TON ACROSS THE BOARD, UM, AT BATTLE CREEK COME JULY ONE, THEY DID HAVE SOME FOLKS COMING, I BELIEVE IT'S OUTTA MARYLAND.
THEY WERE GETTING A $22 PER TON.
BUT THEY HAVE CUSTOMERS BA BASED ON THIS ARTICLE WAITING TO COME THERE.
UM, SO IF WE CAN SEPARATE THE MATERIAL, WE'LL BE RIGHT WHERE WE ARE.
BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW STRINGENT THEY'LL BE WITH US.
UM, AND IT'S A TOUGH, IT'S TOUGH ON OUR GUYS.
I MEAN, UNLESS WE WOULD BUILD ANOTHER FACILITY, WHICH IS NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN DO OVERNIGHT.
'CAUSE WE'LL HAVE TO WORK WITH DEQ, UM, CITING REQUIREMENTS, ET CETERA.
YOU KNOW, AND, AND I'VE MENTIONED BEFORE, IF WE EVER DECIDED THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAUL WASTE A DIFFERENT DIRECTION, YOU WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO CONSIDER LOOKING AT ANOTHER SEGMENT OF THE COUNTY.
UM, FOR INSTANCE, I LOOKED AT ANOTHER OPTION.
WE CURRENTLY PARTNER WITH REPUBLIC SERVICES, WE HAVE LANDFILL SPACE DOWN TOWARD RICHMOND.
BUT IT WOULD COST ME DOUBLE THE HAULING COST.
UM, I WOULD EASILY GET TO THAT SEVEN 50 K AND I WOULD PROBABLY HAVE A LOT MORE OPERATIONAL CHALLENGES WITH TRUCKING AND DRIVERS.
BUT WE DO ALWAYS HAVE ANOTHER DOOR IF WE GET IN TROUBLE.
ARE WE PAYING 35 NOW? IT'S 34 75.
WHAT WE'RE PAYING NOW GONNA GO TO 60.
WE WOULD GO TO 35 IF WE CAN SEPARATE EVERYTHING.
IF WE CAN'T, THEN WE PAY 60 FOR COMMINGLED.
UM, WE'RE TRYING TO, WE'RE TRYING TO NEGOTIATE THAT AND I'M, I'M LETTING ATTORNEYS AND ATTORNEYS DO THAT.
JUST KIND OF BRINGING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION, WHAT'S DEGREE OF SEPARATION? WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? ALL
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CONSTRUCTION AND DEMOLITION MATERIAL.UM, BUT IF IT'S CONSTRUCTION AND DEMO, THAT'S, THAT'S, YEAH, THEY WANT IT ALL SEPARATED.
SO I MEAN, IF I TELL, YOU KNOW, A CONTRACTOR, YOU CAN ONLY COME AT THIS TIME OR THIS DATE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN TO THE TRANSFER STATION OR NOT.
DID YOU ON YOUR TOUR? I MISSED THAT DAY.
SO YOU HAD ONE TRUCK IN THE HOLE.
SO I MEAN, IF YOU'RE NOT BUSY, YOU, YOU KNOW, REALLY SLOW.
YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO SEPARATE ON BOTH SIDES, BUT YOU CAN'T LOAD TWO TRUCKS AT A TIME IN THAT BUILDING.
IT'S SET UP FOR ONE TRUCK AND YOU DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, ARE WE GETTING THREE WASTE WASTE TRASH TRUCKS COMING FROM THE, THE TOWN AND THEN A CONTRACTOR, OR WE'RE GONNA GET FIVE CONTRACTORS.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ONE DOLLY TRUCK AND THEN WE HAVE A LONG HAUL HAUL TRUCKER.
SO, YOU KNOW, IN, OUT, IN, OUT, IN OUT, DO WE HAVE ENOUGH ROOM, WE HAVE TO CLEAN OUR FLOOR EVERY DAY PER DEQ.
UM, I'M NOT SAYING WE CAN'T TRY, BUT THE LIKELIHOOD OF US BEING GREAT IS, IS NOT GOOD.
THE WAY WE'RE CURRENTLY SET UP WAS NOT GOOD DESIGN FOR THAT.
WE, WE'VE DONE SOME IMPROVEMENTS ON OUR FLOOR.
UM, WE'VE BEEN IN THAT BUILDING SINCE 1994.
SO, UM, WE'VE, WE'VE MADE GOOD USE OF THAT FACILITY.
UM, OPERATIONALLY WE STILL HAVE SOME TONNAGE THAT WE CAN HANDLE A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT AS THE COUNTY GROWS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT AS PART AS THE PLANNING PROCESS, UM, YOU KNOW, UPGRADING OUR FACILITY.
I MEAN, IF WE WANT TO DO MORE.
THAT'S, UH, ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
AND I'M, I DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT KIND OF VOLUMES AND MIX AND MATCH AND ALL, YOU KNOW, HOW IT ALL COMES OUT, BUT IT, BUT THE IDEA YOU MENTIONED, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE AT LEAST THOUGHT OF IT, OF MM-HMM.
IS IT SOMETHING YOU THOUGHT ABOUT AND DISCARDED OR SOMETHING YOU'RE STILL GONNA BE THINKING ABOUT? I MEAN, IS IT, UH, IT'S, IT'S GOING TO BE A WORK IN PROGRESS, HONESTLY.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE FAIRLY DOWN ON IT BECAUSE YEAH.
YOU'VE THOUGHT OF IT, YOU'VE THOUGHT IT THROUGH A BIT.
IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S REALLY, IT'S, IT'S A TOUGH, IT'S A TOUGH SELL.
I MEAN, YOU DON'T WANNA, I MEAN, I, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO RESTRICT THE CONTRACTORS TO CERTAIN DAYS OR RESTRICT THE TRANSFER.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S JUST, IT'S TOUGH.
IT MAKES THINGS, EVERYTHING HARDER.
YOU KNOW, AND, AND AS YOUR COUNTY GROWS, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU REALLY NEED TO, IF THAT'S, IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO WALK THAT LINE, WE REALLY NEED TO PREPARE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO HANDLE THAT.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, AND MAYBE THERE'S MORE MATERIALS THAT WE CAN SEPARATE.
I MEAN, IF YOU GO TO ONE OF OUR CONVENIENCE SITES, WE SEPARATE THEM OURSELVES AS RESIDENTS.
YOU PUT THE CANS IN, YOU PUT THE PLASTIC IN, YOU PUT THE CARDBOARD IN.
WE, WE DON'T WANT TIRES IN THAT LOAD.
UM, IF WE MISS A TIRE, THE LANDFILL CHARGES US $40 FOR ONE TIRE.
IF SOMEONE, AND, AND, AND, AND THAT TO ME IS PRETTY, PRETTY BIG CHARGE.
UM, BUT I, I, I MEAN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE, WE HAVE VERY FEW TIRES THAT MAKE IT THROUGH, BUT SOME PEOPLE DO TRY TO SUB 'EM THROUGH 'CAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO GET ANOTHER CAN OF, THEY DON'T WANNA HAVE TO PAY.
SO YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT AS WELL WHEN YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, DOING YOUR FEES.
UM, JOHN, EARLIER THIS WEEK, A FEW OF THE SUPERVISORS WENT TO A, A DISASTER RECOVERY DRILL, UH, EXERCISE AND, AND, UH, CU PEPPER.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF IT, WE REALIZED WE WOULD POTENTIALLY NEED TO HAVE SOME SORT OF DESIGNATED, UH, AND DEQ APPROVED DEBRIS STAGING AREA, UH, TO, TO PUT STUFF.
UH, AND SOME OF IT WOULD BE CONSTRUCTION, UH, DAMAGED, UH, LIKE, YOU KNOW, SAY A ROOF COLLAPSE OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, AFTER A DISASTER.
UM, AND REALIZING THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE MONEY TO DO THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK IS, IS THERE MAYBE A SYNERGY WHERE WE, IF WE DID HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT WAS, UH, SORT OF ON RESERVE FOR A DISASTER EFFORT, UM, RATHER THAN JUST LIKE LETTING THAT GO UNUSED ALL THE TIME, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE THAT WE COULD HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT? AND NORMALLY FOR BUSINESS AS USUAL, KIND OF USE IT AS A, A SEPARATE, UH, TIPPING FLOOR FOR CONSTRUCTION DEBRIS AND THEN DOWN IN BENTONVILLE IF YOU JUST HAVE RESIDENTIAL COME THERE, UH, JUST, JUST TO YEAH.
THOUGHT IF THAT'S EVEN REASONABLE OR AM I TOO FAR OUT THE BOX? YEAH, NO, I MEAN, IT'S VERY REASONABLE.
UM, IF YOU HAD, I MEAN, IF YOU HAD A ANOTHER PIECE OF FLORIDA BENTONVILLE, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD DO IT.
OR IF YOU HAD A YEAH, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, IF YOU WOULD GO TO A, A SEPARATE SITE.
I MEAN YOU COULD BUILD ANOTHER SITE IF YOUR COUNTY GROUPS OR A CERTAIN PLACE THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO HAVE TO FACILITY.
IT JUST REALLY DEPENDS ON THE MODEL AND WHERE YOU'RE HAULING TO.
IF YOU'RE NOT HAULING TO PAGE COUNTY, IT PROBABLY DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO BE GOING ALL THE WAY TO BENTONVILLE AND HAVING ALL YOUR TRUCKS GO THAT
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WAY AND YOUR 18 WHEELERS COMING BACK ACROSS TOWN.UM, YOU'D PROBABLY BE BETTER OFF IF YOU WERE HAULING THE RICH MEN OR OR NORTH TO BE ON THIS SIDE OF TOWN IF YOU WERE GONNA CONSIDER THAT.
SO THAT WOULD, IT WOULD REALLY COME DOWN TO THAT IF WE WERE, IF WE COULDN'T HAUL DEMOLITION CONSTRUCTION MATERIAL, BUT WE COULD HAUL MSW AT ACHIEVING RATE, THEN MAYBE WE WOULD WANT TO HAVE ANOTHER LOCATION JUST FOR CONSTRUCTION ON THIS SIDE OF THE TOWN.
AND THEN ANOTHER QUESTION I HAD IS, I, I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WE DON'T CHARGE A TOWN MM-HMM.
UM, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THE COUNTY IS POISED TO TAKE ON ALL OF THE RISK.
UM, AND THE TOWN WILL BE HELD HARMLESS IF BATTLE CREEK INCREASES THEIR TIPPING FEE FROM 34 75 TO 60.
SO I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S A WAY WE CAN SPLIT THAT RISK, UH, BASED ON THE, THE, UM, THE WEIGHTED, UM, MSW VALUES FOR THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY.
WE CAN'T, I MEAN, YOU, YOU AS THE BOARD HAVE THAT OPTION.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHY I MENTIONED SOME, SOME LOCAL, SOME LANDFILLS HAVE A MUNICIPAL RATE.
SO IF YOU'RE IN SHADO COUNTY AND YOU'RE IN THE TOWN OF WOODSTOCK, AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T REMEMBER MY NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT HEY, WE'RE GONNA CHARGE YOU $20 A TON.
SO YOU CAN DO THAT OR YOU CAN CHARGE 'EM A FULL RATE.
AND MY, MY LAST QUESTION WOULD BE, HA HAS THE COUNTY EVER LOOKED AT, UM, OR STUDIED LIKE IF YOU KEEP PACE WITH CPI ON THIS, AT, AT WHAT POINT DO PEOPLE START THROWING THEIR MATTRESSES IN THE WOODS AND ALL THAT, WHICH WE DON'T WANT TO HAPPEN? YOU KNOW, UM, IT HAPPENS.
WELL, I MEAN, AND, AND THAT'S WHY I SAY YOU GOTTA BE COGNITIVE OF THE FEES.
UM, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU DO HAVE PEOPLE THAT YOU KNOW WILL, I MEAN, WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ABUSE OUR SITE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF TOWN MM-HMM.
AND DROP STUFF, YOU KNOW, EVERY WEEK THAT WE DON'T TAKE THERE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY A PAIN.
BUT WE DON'T, WE DON'T SEE AS MUCH AS WE USED TO YEARS AGO.
I MEAN, LIKE ON BROWNTOWN ROAD, THERE USED TO BE KIND OF A KNOWN DUMP ON SNAKE ROAD.
PEOPLE USED TO DUMP EVERYTHING.
THERE WERE THOSE AREAS IN THE COUNTY, PEOPLE USED TO JUST GO DUMP.
YOU DON'T SEE THAT AS MUCH AS YOU USED TO.
UM, I'M SURE THAT SOMEBODY MIGHT GET MAD EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE IF WE'RE CLOSED.
I, I'VE SEEN BAG THROWN AT THE GATE BEFORE, BUT IT'S VERY UNCOMMON.
UM, TODAY REALLY, I THINK OUR BIGGEST PROBLEM THERE IS, UM, CURRENTLY, BESIDES, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY DUMP OUT AT THE COOLEY SITE IS FAILURE TO CURE LOADS.
'CAUSE THERE'S BEEN PLENTY OF MATTRESSES LAYING ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE ROAD GOING TO THE LANDFILL.
AND THOUGH THEY HAD, IF THEY DROPPED IT GOING TO THE LANDFILL, THEY HAD TO PASS IT GOING BACK HOME, BUT THEY DIDN'T STOP AND PICK IT UP.
SO, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT'S FAILURE TO SECURE, WHICH IS A HUGE PROBLEM.
AND RIGHT NOW WE DON'T, IF, IF YOU BRING YOUR MATTRESS, WE DON'T CHARGE YOU, WE JUST ASK YOU TO PUT IT IN A CERTAIN PLACE, TAKE IT TO BENTENVILLE.
SOME PLACES WILL CHARGE FOR A LANDFILL.
IT'S, IT'S NOT REALLY WHAT THEY DESIRE.
AND IT'S, IT'S NOT JUST MA MATTRESSES, IT'S LIKE REFRIGERATORS AND, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT STUFF.
THAT'S A DIFFERENT, I MEAN, D OFF AIR CONDITIONERS RECOVER, YOU KNOW, THE, THE REFRIGERANT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE ONE THING, AND, AND YOU KNOW, PART OF THE, PART OF THE CHALLENGE WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR, OUR REVENUE IS, AND I THINK IT WAS WHAT 17, WHEN THE CHINESE REALLY STARTED RESTRICTING SOME OF THEIR PRODUCT IS WHAT THEY WOULD TAKE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE STARTED, YOU KNOW, WELL WE WERE MAKING SOME REVENUE ON THINGS OTHER THAN METAL.
YOU KNOW, WE STARTED ACTUALLY HAVING TO PAY, UH, MORE MONEY.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A, A CLIENT IN WINCHESTER THAT WOULD TAKE A LOT OF OUR MATERIALS AND YOU KNOW, FOR US THERE, THAT'S THE ONE TIME BEING A TRANSFER STATION.
THE COST IMPACT WASN'T AS GREAT AS OUR LANDFILL PARTNERS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO TRUCK AS FAR, WE WERE ALREADY PAYING FOR TRUCKING.
SO WE JUST HAD A LITTLE BIT MORE ADDED ON.
WE STARTED HAVING TO TRUCK THE MANASAS WHEN WINCHESTER CLOSED DOWN.
SO SCRAP, WE STARTED TRUCKING THE MANASSAS.
BUT THERE ARE, THERE ARE SOME, THERE IS A PLAYER STARTING TO GET BACK INTO BUSINESS.
SO WE'RE TAKING OUR CARDBOARD TO WINCHESTER, BUT WE USED TO GET A REIMBURSEMENT ON CARDBOARD AND THEN WE STARTED PAYING.
WE GET RID OF OUR CARDBOARD AS THE, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, OKAY, EVERYTHING CAN GO IN THE BLUE BIN AND IT'S GREAT, BUT YOU KNOW, IF IT'S NOT CLEAN, IT'S NOT SEPARATED AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THE MARKET'S NOT THERE AND YOU'RE HAULING.
WELL, IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM LINE, YOU CAN SEE THAT ON THESE LITTLE SITES, IT'S, IT'S GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE PEOPLE RECYCLING MORE, BUT IT COSTS US MORE OR AS MUCH TO RECYCLE AS IT DOES TO MM-HMM.
DO WHAT ABOUT FOR THE BLUE BINS FOR THE METAL? LIKE PUT YOUR METAL ITEMS HERE.
DO WE GET SOME MONEY BACK OFF THAT? YEAH, METAL IS METAL AND, AND METAL IS REALLY THE ONLY THING THAT YOU REALLY SEE.
A METAL WILL PAY FOR THE RENT OF A CAN AND, AND PAY FOR ITSELF IN REIMBURSEMENT.
ANYTHING ELSE THERE? OH, YOU DO, YOU DO SAY 2024.
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YOU, SO BEFORE THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR, THIS $750,000 BUMP IS IT'S GONNA HIT.THAT'S, THAT'S EFFECTIVE WHEN POTENTIAL.
WELL, WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT AGREEMENT, SO I'M, I'M HOPING THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
I'LL, I'LL LET DR IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE, I WOULD REQUEST THAT THE BOARD DISCUSS THAT MATTER AND CLOSE SESSION.
MA'AM, IT'S PART OF CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS WITH YOUR COUNTY ATTORNEY, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
I MENTIONED EARLIER AN OPTION AND, AND JUST DOING RESEARCH.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT PUSHING ANYTHING.
I JUST WAS LOOKING, YOU KNOW, I KNOW, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A DESIRE NOT TO RAISE TAXES.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S MULTIPLE COUNTIES THAT ACTUALLY HAVE A SOLID WASTE FEE.
UM, WASTE CONTINUES TO GO UP AND IN PRINCE WILLIAM COUNTY IS ONE OF THOSE THAT HAS A FEE.
UM, IT STARTED, THE ORIGINAL FEE FEE WAS $70 PER SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
AND THAT WAS APPROVED BACK IN 1998 AND IMPLEMENT IT IN 1999.
AND THAT WAS TO HELP REPAY THE DEBT INCURRED TO PURCHASE LAND, EXPAND THE LANDFILL.
UM, AND, AND IT WAS ASSESSED ON ALL PROPERTIES BASED ON THE RESIDENTIAL DWELLING TYPE.
AND THEY HAVE A TIERED STRUCTURE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, AND I'M NOT GONNA GET INTO ALL OF THAT, BUT I JUST WANTED YOU TO SEE THE CURRENT FEE IS $75 PER SINGLE HOME.
AND IT APPEARS AS A SEPARATE LINE ITEM ON A REAL ESTATE PROPERTY TAX BILL.
AND THE FEE IS BASED ON THE DWELLING TYPE, UH, DWELLING TYPE AND DIVIDED HALF YEAR JULY AND DECEMBER.
UM, AND THERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOMEOWNER'S BILL 37 50, UM, IN JULY AND 37 50 IN DECEMBER.
NOW WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE IN MOORE COUNTY? I GOT THE NUMBERS FROM THE COMMISSIONER AND I JUST THROW NUMBERS UP THERE JUST TO THROW 'EM UP THERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, 15,277 DWELLINGS AT $60 PER YEAR.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE $916,620, 120 A YEAR, YOU'RE 1,000,800 $33,240.
SO YOU CAN, YOU CAN COVER A WHOLE LOT OF YOUR, YOUR WASTE EXPENSE WITH, UH, A FEE.
UM, AT PENNSYLVANIA COUNTY, VIRGINIA IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE.
UM, THEY INSTITUTED A $60 WASTE FEE IN THE MID 2000 TENS.
AND THEN LATER THEY ABOARD ELIMINATED, HOPING TO COVER THE COST BY PULLING MONEY FROM OTHER GENERAL GOVERNMENT CATEGORIES INSTEAD.
THEN IN 18 THEY WENT BACK TO THE FEE AND INCREASED IT TO ONE 20.
SO THEY HAD BEEN GOING THROUGH SOME CRUCIAL INVESTMENTS IN AREAS LIKE PUBLIC SAFETY AND EDUCATION AND THE FUND SOLID WASTE.
THEN THEY DECIDED TO, TO JUST IMPLEMENT THIS AS A SOLUTION.
UM, THEY CONVERT ALL SOLID WASTE OPERATIONS INTO AN ENTERPRISE FUND.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD CONSIDER IN THE FUTURE.
YOUR SINGLE HOMES, TOWNHOUSES, DOUBLE WIDES.
I JUST, I WAS JUST, HEY, UM, NO, I I GIMME A LIST OF SINGLE FAMILIES.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN YOU COULD, YOU, IT WOULD STILL ON THEIR TEXT YOU WOULD TO MAKE A DETERMINATION.
AND IF YOU GO ON PRINCE WILLIAM, I THINK THEY SHOW YOU HOW THEY BREAK THEIRS DOWN.
UM, I DIDN'T WANNA GET TOO DETAILED.
I JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU HOW THAT COULD FLOW.
NOW I'M JUST LOOKING, YOU KNOW, BACK MM-HMM.
WE HAVE, IF THEY'RE ALL FULL, THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT.
UM, SO, SO ISN'T THERE A, A FEE THAT'S ALREADY ASSESSED FOR THE, FOR THE FRONT ROYAL, UH, FOR, FOR THE TOWN FOLKS FOR A A WASTE FEE? I I KNOW A, YOU KNOW, FOR TOWN RESIDENTS, THEY HAVE A COLLECTION.
SO THE, BUT, BUT THAT'S NOT THE SAME THING AS WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT HERE? NO.
NO, I MEAN, I I MEAN YOU COULD WORK THAT OUT.
I MEAN, I'M NOT GONNA TELL YOU WHICH WAY TO GO.
WE CURRENTLY CHARGE THE TOWN NOTHING ON RESIDENTIAL.
THEY PAY, WHAT DID YOU PAY? YOU HAD $13 A MONTH.
MR. BUTLER PAYS THE SAME THING.
I JUST READ AN ARTICLE, I THINK IT WAS FROM JANUARY.
THEY SAID THEY DIDN'T COLLECT ENOUGH MONEY TO, UM, RUN THE PROGRAM.
THEY HAD A CONSULTANT FIRM ACTUALLY REVIEW IT.
WELL, THERE'S A 10% TRANSFER FROM THAT ENTERPRISE FUND TO THE GENERAL FUND.
AND WE STILL, UM, IT'S WHAT, $30 A YEAR FOR A WASTE STICKER THAT WE GET A
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CHARGE FOR THAT.WE DON'T NECESSARILY GET A TICKET A STICKER EVERY YEAR NOW.
BUT, UM, BUT IT'S ON OUR TAX BILLS.
YOU HAVE A, A DECAL, A VEHICLE DECAL FEE AND THE TOWN HAS A VEHICLE DECAL FEE.
I THINK THEY MIGHT HAVE GONE AWAY, BUT THE WASTE DECAL IS A DIFFERENT, A DIFFERENT STICKER.
UM, THAT'S, THAT WAS IMPLEMENTED.
UM, BECAUSE THAT'S HOW WE WOULD TELL IF YOU'RE A RESIDENT OF WARREN COUNTY.
WE STILL, SOMETIMES WE HAVE PEOPLE UPSET WITH US IF THEY GO TO THE TRANSFER STATION 'CAUSE THEY ASK THEM FOR A DECAL AND UM, YOU KNOW, SOME DON'T THINK THEY HAVE TO, BUT BY CODE WE STILL HAVE DECALS HERE IN THE COUNTY AS A TOWN RESIDENT AND YOU CAN STILL GET 'EM THAT YOU HAVE TO REQUEST THEM.
IT'S LIKE YOU'RE, BUT THE WASTE DECAL, WERE LIKE, PEOPLE HAVE A DUAL HOLE SO THEY WANT TO USE OUR SITES.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE ABUSING US.
'CAUSE WE'RE SURROUNDED BY LOTS OF COUNTIES.
WE, A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM HANOCK COME THIS WAY AND A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM MIDDLETOWN.
AND WE'VE HAD PEOPLE WHEN SHENANDOAH COUNTY HAD THEIR, UH, SITE ON 55 CLOSED, COME FROM WEST VIRGINIA AND TRY TO FILL UP THE COMPACTORS.
'CAUSE THAT'S GENERALLY WHAT WE USE TO TAKE IT TO THE, UM, DUMP.
BUT I THOUGHT THAT $30 WENT TOWARDS SOLID WASTE.
IT DOESN'T, IT ACTUALLY, IT'S THE EQUIVALENT OF THE LOCAL, UM, LICENSE COMP.
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GET YOUR STATE LICENSE DECAL MM-HMM.
AND SO THEY DO THE SAME THING WITH VEHICLES LOCALLY.
WHEN YOU GET THE SEMI-ANNUAL TAX BILL, THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOCAL FEE ON THERE.
IS IT 40 JANE? I THOUGHT IT WAS 30 SOMETHING APPRO MAYBE 30, ASSUME 30.
UM, BUT YOU GET A BILL $75 OR WHATEVER.
AND THEN THERE'S A, THAT'S A TAX.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THE LOCAL LICENSE IS WHAT IT IS.
IN ESSENCE THERE, IT'S A SURCHARGE ON IT THAT IN THIS CASE IS $30.
I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT WENT TOWARDS SOLID WASTE THOUGH.
SORRY, TRYING TO GET YOU 30 BUCKS MORE FROM EVERYBODY.
I'LL TAKE THE 30, UM, CODE OF VIRGINIA.
I, I JUST, I DIDN'T PUT THE WHOLE CODE UP HERE, BUT, UM, THERE IN THE CODE IT DOES SPECIFICALLY TALK ABOUT A FEE FOR SOLID WASTE DISPOSAL BY COUNTIES.
AND, AND I LISTED AT THE TOP SOME OF THOSE OTHER COUNTIES WITH A FIAC, AAC, AUGUSTA BATH, BUCKINGHAM, FLOYD, HIGHLAND, PENNSYLVANIA, RUSSELL, SOUTH HAMPTON AND WISE.
SO THEY'RE ALL RURAL COUNTIES.
THOSE ARE REAL RURAL COUNTIES.
UM, AND WHEN YOU GET INTO WISE VIRGINIA, UM, FOLEY COUNTY, YOU KNOW YOU'RE IN SOUTHWEST MM-HMM.
SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THERE ARE RURAL COUNTIES THAT IMPLEMENT A FEE ALSO, BUT, UM, THE CODE OF VIRGINIA, YOU KNOW, GIVES YOU THE AUTHORITY TO DO SUCH.
AND, AND THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE DIFFERENT WAYS.
THERE'S ARE LEVIED, UM, YOU REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING, ET CETERA, TIPPING FEE.
UM, THE, YOU KNOW, THE OBVIOUS OPTION TO HELP COVER COSTS IS A TIPPING TIP AND FEE INCREASE.
UM, AT THE TOP I MENTIONED I USED 37,000.
OUR, OUR MOST COMPLETE YEAR, WE HAD 37,211 TONS.
I'LL SHOW YOU THE 69 PER TON TO JUST SHOW YOU WHAT IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, EQUATE TO AT A FULL VALUE.
BUT AGAIN, WE RESIDENTS THAT DROP OFF WASTE IN THE TOWN OF FRONT RURAL RESIDENTIAL TRUCKS DON'T PAY A FEE.
SO AT 69 A TON, YOU KNOW, NEXT YEAR WE WOULD ANTICIPATE, YOU KNOW, 1,000,200 $76,500.
UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I JUST USED, UM, I I LOOKED AT A $10 INCREASE IF YOU WENT TO $79 PER TON, WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
UM, AND THEN A HUNDRED DOLLARS PER TON, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE AND HOW, HOW COULD THAT HELP OUR BUDGET? SO I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR INCREASE IS ALWAYS A OPTION.
UM, WE SHOULD ALWAYS REVIEW THOSE.
I THINK MORE FREQUENTLY THAT WE HAVE IN THE PAST WE'VE SEEN, YOU KNOW, UH, SIGNIFICANT INCREASES ACROSS THE BOARD.
UM, LABOR, EQUIPMENT, FUEL, EVERYTHING THAT WE DO IS COSTING MORE MONEY.
ANY, IF I'M READING THE NUMBERS CORRECTLY, I'M LOOKING AT THE REVENUE, UM, ANTICIPATED REVENUE FOR 25 AND IT'S $1.4 MILLION TO OFFSET, LET ME SEE, YOUR BUDGET WAS, THE PLAN FOR 25 WAS $3.2 MILLION FOR JUST THE REFUSE, UM, WITH COLLECTION TOO.
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LIKE 1.8 MILLION THAT IS, THAT COMES OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND TO OFFSET THE EXPENSES.SO I MEAN, AND, AND, BUT THIS IS 25 NUMBERS.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE NEW YEAH, AND I, I WAS THINKING MY CLEAR GOV SAID 4.3 TOTAL AT THE TOP OF THAT, UM, ON THE TOP OF THE REFUSE PORTION WHERE IT SHOWS YOU ALL OF THE, THE BUDGET.
SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, IF YOU, AND I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULD DO THIS 'CAUSE THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY, I THINK, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE A HUNDRED DOLLARS PER TON, THAT 8.5 WOULD BREAK EVEN ON YOUR BUDGET.
UM, HERE, AND I FORGET WHO ASKED THE QUESTION, BUT TOWN TONS, IT'S TYPICALLY AVERAGE OF 6,000 TONS PER YEAR ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE.
UM, JUST KIND OF SHOWING YOU, YOU KNOW, OUR CURRENT REVENUE IS ZERO.
UM, AND THEN AGAIN, THIS IS JUST SHOWING YOU WHAT YOU COULD BE LOOKING AT IF YOU CHARGE 50 PER TON, YOU OR IF YOU, YOU CAN, I MEAN, YOU CAN DO THE MATH MORE OR LESS IF YOU WANT A MUNICIPAL RATE OR IF YOU WENT UP $10 PER TON, WHAT IT WOULD BE, UM, $10 PER TON.
YOU'D BE LOOKING AT ROUGHLY A HALF MILLION DOLLARS, UM, IN REVENUE.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S ALSO, I MEAN, I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT IN OUR WORK SESSIONS.
ONE ANOTHER THING THAT WE'VE SEEN AS A CHANGE IN THE COUNTY, I WAS IN CDO FARMS TODAY ON TOP OF THE MOUNTAIN AND I SAW A ROLL OFF CAN SITTING ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD.
UM, I LIVE IN BROWNTOWN AND I GOT A NEIGHBOR THAT HAS 'EM ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD NOW.
UM, AND THOSE COMPANIES, WE DO NOT GIVE THEM A FREE RIDE WHEN THEY COME IN.
WE CHARGE THEM $69 PER TON WHEN THEY COME TO THE TRANSFER STATION.
ANY QUESTIONS THERE? AND THEY'RE PICKING UP RESIDENTIAL IN THE COUNTY.
SO JUST FOR REVIEW, I MEAN, I, I'VE GIVEN YOU A NUMBER OF OPTIONS.
I KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY AND, AND THERE'S POTENTIAL FOR A BIG ASK.
UM, AND, AND WE DO NEED TO LOOK AT AND PLAN FOR POTENTIAL OPERATIONAL CHANGES AND FUTURE GROWTH.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, SOLID WASTE FEE IS SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN CONSIDER THAT I THINK CAN REALLY HELP FUND YOUR PROGRAM.
UM, YOU CAN INCREASE YOUR COMMERCIAL TIPPING FEE.
UM, AND, AND THAT'LL DEFINITELY HELP WITH THE ANTICIPATED SHORTFALL.
UM, YOU COULD CONSIDER CHARGING THE TOWN, UH, A GATE TIPPING FEE FOR RESIDENTIAL WASTE OR CHARGE THEM AT A MUNICIPAL RATE AT A LOWER RATE.
YOU COULD CHOOSE A COMBINATION OF THOSE ITEMS AND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THERE IS A POTENTIAL IF, AND I, AND I THINK AS YOUR COUNTY GROWS IN THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, I WOULD, I WOULD THINK THAT THIS IS A SITUATION THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO CONSIDER BECOMING AN ENTERPRISE FUND, MORE LIKE THE AIRPORT.
UM, BECAUSE I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE SELF-SUSTAINED AND THEN TAKE CARE OF ITSELF.
UM, AND, AND SAYING THAT, I MEAN, IF YOU CAN PUT THREE OR $4 MILLION BACK IN THE GENERAL FUND, UM, YOU, YOU COULD DO A LOT OF GOOD.
UM, NOW, YOU KNOW, I, I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO YOU.
I KIND OF, I WENT THROUGH THE NUMBERS.
I SHOW YOU WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, AND I I I JUST KIND OF RE REITERATE THERE, THE, YOU KNOW, $120 PER DWELLING, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LOOKING AT 1.8, A HUNDRED DOLLARS TIPPING FEE, 1.8, YOU KNOW, TOWN.
IF YOU CHARGE THEM A HUNDRED, IT WOULD BE 600,000.
SO YOU HAVE OPTIONS, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU HAVE TO, UH, I MEAN, THINK ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR A COST INCREASE.
AND, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY, UM, I GOTTA COME UP WITH SOME KIND OF SOLUTION OR, OR REQUEST MORE MONEY FROM YOU IF, OR, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT ENC CLOSED SESSION, BUT AS WE NEGOTIATE, SO THE ONLY, THE ONLY WAY THE ENTERPRISE FUND WOULD WORK IS THAT WE RAISE THE FEES TO OFFSET YOUR EXPENSES BECAUSE RIGHT.
BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE SELF, UM, SUSTAINABLE, SELF SUSTAIN.
SO, IN ORDER, AND I'M LOOKING AT YOUR LAST, OH, SORRY, BACK UP.
SO IN ORDER TO MAKE AN, UH, THIS WORK, YOU'RE LOOKING AT INCREASING THE TIPPING FEE, A HUNDRED DOLLARS, A HUNDRED DOLLARS PER TON FOR TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL.
I MEAN, THOSE ARE MAJOR INCREASES YEAH.
IN ORDER TO CONVERT THIS TO AN ENTERPRISE ACCOUNT.
NOW, I MEAN, THERE'S LOTS OF OTHER SOLUTIONS AND OPTIONS.
UM, I MEAN, YOU COULD CONSIDER, I MENTIONED THE WHOLE GAMUT OF SOLID WASTE, AND YOU COULD CONSIDER JUST YOUR REFUGE REFUSE DISPOSAL PORTION.
AND THAT'S WHERE THE TRASH IS DROPPED.
YOU COULD SAY, OKAY, THIS IS OUR PEOPLE WHERE THEY DROP THEIR BAGS OUT IN THE, THE SATELLITE AREAS, AND THIS IS THE TRANSFER STATION.
AND THEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT A SMALLER NUMBER TO TRY TO OFFSET MM-HMM.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.
BUT IF THE GENERAL FUND SUPPORTS IT, THEN IT WOULDN'T BE CONSIDERED AN ENTERPRISE ZONE, WOULD IT? WELL, THE OBJECTIVE IN GENERAL IS THAT AN, AN ENTERPRISE FUND
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IS SELF-SUSTAINING.OR AS IN THE CASE OF THE TOWN, THAT IT MAKES MONEY FOR THE GENERAL FUND.
BUT THERE ARE MANY ACA CIRCUMSTANCES ACROSS THE COUNTRY WHERE YOU HAVE AN ENTERPRISE FUND SUCH AS THIS, OR A GAS OR ELECTRIC, ET CETERA, UTILITY, WHERE THE GENERAL FUND MAKES A CONTRIBUTION TO THAT
BUT THE EDA IS NOT AN ENTERPRISE MA.
AND I, I, I, I MEAN, I, I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO CONTINUALLY INCREASE BECAUSE THE COST OF DEW AND TRASH ONLY GETS MORE EXPENSIVE.
I MEAN, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T JUST KEEP HITTING THE TAXPAYER.
I MEAN, WE'RE HITTING THEM ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
BECAUSE THE GENERAL FUND IS TAXPAYER MONEY.
SO WHEN YOU INCREASE ONE AND IT'S NOT ENOUGH, THEN YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU INCREASE THE OTHER ONE.
IT'S, IT'S JUST A PERPETUAL UPHILL THING.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD EVER GET TO AN ENTERPRISE ZONE THERE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF THAT, YOU KNOW, BILL DEPEND UPON HOW YOU WANTED TO, TO OPERATE IT.
ME, I'M, UH, IF YOU GO BACK TO MR. BUTLER'S COMMENT EARLIER ABOUT HIS, UH, 750, UH, THOUSAND DOLLARS PROPERTY.
I THINK THE COMMISSIONER TOLD US THE AVERAGE PROPERTY ACROSS THE COUNTY WAS ABOUT $270,000.
SO $270,000 IS ROUGHLY $1,300 REAL ESTATE A YEAR.
AND THEN GOING BACK TO MR. BUTLER THERE AND THE, UH, 750,000, THEN THAT'S GONNA BE MORE LIKE THIRD THREE AND ALMOST 4,003, 7,750.
IF YOU PUT A $50 FEE FOR SANITATION, IF YOU SAY THAT BOTH OF THESE TWO PROPERTIES GENERATE THE SAME AMOUNT OF WASTE, AND YOU CHARGE EACH ONE $70, I THINK THAT WAS THE NUMBER ONE OF THE NUMBERS WE SAW IN THERE.
$70 IS A, UH, APPROXIMATELY A 5% INCREASE IN THE TAX BILL FOR THIS $270,000 PROPERTY.
BUT IT'S A MUCH SMALLER INCREASE FOR THIS $750,000 PROPERTY.
AND SO YOU IN SOME, SOME ARGUMENT THAT IF YOU ALL HAVE THE SAME, THE ADVANTAGE OF THE FEE IS, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, EVERYBODY PAYS THE SAME $18, MA'AM.
SO THE $270,000 HOUSE PAYS $18 A MONTH, AND THE, UH, $750,000 HOUSE PAYS $18 A MONTH.
AND IN COMPARISON, YOU'RE PAYING APPROXIMATELY $216 A YEAR COMPARED TO THIS 50, 60, $70 WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
MY CONCERN IS IF, AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S COSTLY, I I I DO, WE'VE GOTTA FIGURE IT OUT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BUT MY CONCERN IS WE'RE GONNA SEE MORE DRIVING DOWN A BACK ROAD AND DUMPING IT OVER, AND THEN SOMEBODY'S GOTTA CLEAN THAT UP,
WHETHER PUBLIC WORKS GOES OR VDOT DOES, THEN IT GOES RIGHT BACK TO THE LANDFILL AGAIN.
PART OF ME IS WONDERING LIKE THE, THE IDEA THAT THE HOUSE WITH TWO BEDROOMS AND, AND YOU KNOW, THE WIDOW AND ONE BATHROOM IS PAYING THE SAME TAX AS, AS THE, UH, NICE NEW BUILD OUT ON, YOU KNOW, WITH A FAMILY AND, AND, AND A LOT MORE TRASH POTENTIALLY.
LIKE WE MAKE MORE TRASH THAN THE WIDOW, YOU KNOW? UM, THAT SEEMS A LITTLE UNFAIR, BUT I'M TRYING TO THINK OF OTHER WAYS.
FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, THE STATE CODE ALLOWS FOR THIS.
UH, DOES IT HAVE TO BE A, A FLAT FEE FOR EVERYBODY OR CAN IT BE, CAN IT BE INDEXED OFF SOMETHING? UM, WELL, THAT'S WHERE YOUR TIER WOULD COME IN.
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A, A DOUBLE WIDE OR YEAH.SINGLE WIDE OR, YEAH, BECAUSE I'D ALMOST THINK I, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WOULD WORK FOR THE TOWN, BUT FOR THE COUNTY, I'D ALMOST THINK LIKE IF YOU BAKED IT INTO THE CAR TAX SOMEHOW, THEN, UM, 'CAUSE SOMEONE WHO, SOMEONE WHO, UH, HAS A LOT OF CARS, YOU KNOW, THEY PROBABLY, THEY HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE AT THEIR HOME, UH, THEY'RE MAKING MORE TRASH, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, THE PERSON WHO DOESN'T HAVE A CAR, THEY CAN'T DRIVE DOWN THE BACK ROAD AND DUMP IT IN THE WOODS.
YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE THE MEANS TO DO THAT.
UM, AND, UH, IT'S, I DON'T KNOW.
IT'S, I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF, OF, OF HOW TO GET THAT, HOW, HOW TO GET THAT MIX BETWEEN, I MEAN, THE, THE WIDOW WHO DOESN'T EVEN DRIVE, YOU KNOW? RIGHT.
UM, AND THEN, AND THEN THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE A, A A A CAR, MAYBE THEIR, THEIR TRASH IS COLLECTED, UM, YOU KNOW, BY THE APARTMENT COMPLEX OR SOMETHING, WHICH THEN IS PAYING A COMMERCIAL RATES OR, OR I'M NOT SURE HOW IT ALL TURN PLAYS OUT, MOST OF ALL, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
SO, WELL, I MEAN, AND I, I SEE WHERE YOU'RE WALKING, BUT YOU'RE ALSO, YOU HAVE TO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU HAVE A SOLID WASTE FEE, YOU KNOW, THE WIDOW IS GONNA TAKE HER TRASH AND SHE'S NOT GONNA PAY FOR THE BAGS OF TRASH.
SHE WOULD ONLY BE PAYING IF SHE RIPPED HER HOUSE TO THE GROUND AND HAVE CONSTRUCTION MATERIAL.
UM, I, I THINK THAT IN GENERAL, THE, THE, THE CLOSER THE RELATIONSHIP PEOPLE IDENTIFY THE MONEY THEY'RE PAYING TO THE SERVICE THEY'RE GETTING, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A BETTER SITUATION.
I, I, I, SO THAT'S JUST A GENERAL OBSERVATION.
IF PEOPLE THAT'S GONNA GO FOR OTHER, OTHER DEPARTMENTS, WE'RE GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, DEALING WITH TOO.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, I HA I DON'T, I DON'T THINK I, I UNDERSTAND THE, THE POINTS DR.
DALEY MADE DON'T DISAGREE WITH ME AT ALL, BUT I, I HATE GET REAL RETICENT TO GET INTO TOO MUCH ENGINEERING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THIS SIZE HOUSE AND, AND HOW MANY CARS THEY GOT AND ALL THAT.
I MEAN, THAT SEEMS LIKE A, A RABBIT HOLE, UH, THAT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO MANAGE AND FRAUGHT WITH, WITH, WITH COMPLAINTS.
YOUR POINT ABOUT IS, IS REALLY GOOD, UH, MOST HOUSEHOLDS ARE, ARE, ARE NOT GONNA BE PAYING, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S GONNA AFFECT THEM IN THAT WAY.
UM, AND THIS, THIS FEE PER HOUSEHOLD IS ONLY ONE OF THE, THE MENU, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ON THERE.
UM, THE QUESTION I HAD IS, IS, AND I THINK IT'S BEEN ALLUDED TO BY CHERYL, BUT WHAT SENSITIVITY IS THERE, THE PRICING? 'CAUSE IN TERMS OF THE COMMERCIAL, I MEAN, THAT HAS TO BE VIEWED AS THE PRINCIPLE SOURCE OF REVENUE.
I MEAN, AS WITH EVERYTHING ELSE, WE
WE WANT TO SPARE THE CITIZENS, BUT REALLY IT'S THE SAME.
UM, SO THAT'S WHERE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WOULD HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISION.
I MEAN, IF YOU DON'T WANNA BE TOTALLY ENTERPRISE, THEN YOU SAY, OKAY, WELL, IF WE GO WITH THIS FUNDING LEVEL FOR OUR SOLID WASTE FEE, WE CAN ENSURE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF, I MEAN, IF IT'S 69 A TON, AND WE KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT COVERING OUR COST FOR OUR COMMERCIAL CLIENTS, WE'RE GOING UP.
I MEAN, IT'S GOT, IT'S GOTTA GO UP.
FOR THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, IF YOU SAY, NOPE, I'M NOT RAISING THE FEE, I'M NOT PUTTING THE FEE, WHATEVER, THEN IT'S GOTTA COME OUTTA THE GENERAL FUND.
SO, I MEAN, YOU CAN SAY, OKAY, I LIKE THIS IDEA, BUT I DON'T WANT HAVE IT AT A HIGH RATE.
YOU KNOW, SAY YOU'RE PUTTING IN A MILLION INSTEAD OF FOUR, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE YOUR OPTION OR, OR YOUR SOLUTION.
I MEAN, YOU COULD LOOK AT DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.
I MEAN OKAY, WELL, WELL, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT JUST REFUGE DISPOSAL AND TAKE OUT THE COLLECTION OR TAKE OUT THE CLOSED LANDFILL PORTION, YOU KNOW, AND JUST LOOK AT THE, THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF THE TRASH COMING THROUGH WITH OUR COMMERCIAL CLIENTS.
AND THEN, AND, AND WE CAN SEE THE PICTURE OF WHAT THE RESIDENTIAL COST.
IN TERMS OF THE SENSITIVITY OF THE COMMERCIAL RATE.
UM, IS THERE A SENSITIVITY? I MEAN, LIKE, LIKE, CAN, WILL THEY DRIVE OVER TO THE NEXT COUNTY INSTEAD OF NO.
SO I WAS, BECAUSE THAT WOULD CROSS PROHIBIT.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I'M NO, I MEAN, IT'S NOT LIKE A, YOU HAVE TO, YOU, YOU HAVE TO BE APPROVED.
SO FREDERICK COUNTY'S NOT GONNA ACCEPT WARREN COUNTY TRASH.
UM, PAGE COUNTY, WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM CURRENTLY.
THERE, THERE ARE CERTAIN ITEMS THAT THEY WOULD RECEIVE DOWN THERE, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE TRASH TRUCKS, I MEAN, THEY'RE A BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, SO THEY'RE GONNA HAUL TO US.
I MEAN, THEY'RE GONNA PASS IT ON TO THEIR CUSTOMERS.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE IN THE CORRIDOR, YOU KNOW, IF WE GO UP $10 A TON, THE PEOPLE IN THE CORRIDOR ARE GONNA PAY MORE FOR THEIR TRASH BILL.
AND AS I'VE BEEN THROUGH LIKE THE LAST 10 YEARS OF DATA, AND ONE OF THE THINGS I NOTICED AND I SAW PERSONALLY WHEN I GOT A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS THAT MM-HMM.
BUT, AND, AND MATT SAID IT HAS, IT'S BEEN 15 YEARS SINCE WE RAISED THE FEE.
AND I'M LIKE, I DON'T, THE, THE FACT THAT THE FEE IS THAT SIZE, I UNDERSTAND, BUT THE FACT THAT IT TOOK 15 YEARS TO, TO MAKE A GIANT TRIPLE TRIPLING OF THE FEE
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THAT I THINK IS BAD.UM, AND SO WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RAISING FEES, ANY TIME WE RAISE FEES, PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE KIND OF GRUMBLING LIKE, WELL, WHY DO WE HAVE TO RAISE FEES AND EVERYTHING? BUT 2013, ALMOST 10 YEARS.
AND SO AS A, AS A BOARD AND EVERY SUCCESSIVE BOARD AFTER US, I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE, LET'S JUST MAKE THE HARD DECISIONS ON AN ANNUAL BASIS INSTEAD OF HAVING US SITTING HERE LOOKING AT A GIANT INCREASE BECAUSE NOBODY'S BEEN WILLING TO INCREASE IT FOR 10 YEARS OR KEY IT OFF, OFF THE CPI, IF THERE'S A TRASH CPI KEY IT OFF THAT, AND THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO DECIDE EVERY YEAR, YOU KNOW? RIGHT.
AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA ALLUDE TO IS MM-HMM.
SO I KNEW EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS GONNA CHANGE.
I COULD SEE WHERE WE WERE AT, I KNOW THE HISTORY, AND I COULD SEE THE MOVEMENT AND IT WAS EASY TO PROJECT.
AND THEN UP TO 5%, I WOULD KNOW ANNUALLY WHAT THE CPI ADJUSTMENT WAS, AND THEN I WOULD, YOU KNOW, BRING THAT TO THE BOARD AS PART OF MY BUDGET PACKAGE.
AND IT, IT WAS NOT A, A GREAT DEAL WHEN WE, WHEN WE STARTED CHANGING AND TRUCKING STARTED GOING UP, YOU KNOW, AND YOU COULD SEE THE LABOR SHORTAGES.
THAT'S WHEN THE PRESSURE REALLY STARTED GETTING PUT ON THESE WASTE COMPANIES.
YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S WHY I'M NOT, I'M, I'M NOT SURE IF WE'LL SEE A COST DECREASE IN THIS RFP PROCESS OR NOT, BECAUSE I HAVE SEEN A LOT ON OUR END, A LOT OF INCREASE.
AND, AND THEN OF COURSE THERE'S THE OTHER VARIABLE OF THE AMOUNT OF TRASH RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, SO AT SOME POINT WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT A CAPACITY ISSUE AS WELL.
YOU KNOW, I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT IN.
WELL, SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, IF I FOLLOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT, UH, MY BOARD MEMBERS ARE SAYING, AND I THINK AN ENTERPRISE FUND WOULD WORK IN THIS SITUATION.
DALEY WAS SAYING, THAT WE CAN MAKE A CON CONTRIBUTION TO THE, THE FUND.
AND THEN MAYBE WHAT WE, YOU KNOW, AS AN OPTION PHASE, THE RATES IN, YOU KNOW, SO, YOU KNOW, ONE YEAR WE'LL GO UP $5, WHATEVER THE DOLL, WHATEVER, UH, IS, IS EASY TO, UM, ADJUST, IF YOU WILL, AND KIND OF PHASE IT TO THE POINT WHERE YOU DO BECOME SELF-SUFFICIENT.
BECAUSE THEN EVERY YEAR THE GENERAL FUND CONTRIBUTION WOULD GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
YOU KNOW, SO SOMEHOW JUST KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WORK OUT THE NUMBERS AND DO A PHASE IN APPROACH WHERE IT WON'T BE A BIG IMPACT TO OUR CITIZENS OR, OR THE COMPANIES.
WE DECIDE IF WE WANNA INCREASE RATES FOR THE TOWN OR, OR FOR, OR FOR ALL THE, UM, THE RESIDENCES, OR IF WE JUST STICK WITH THE CONTRACTORS AND JUST INCREASE THE FEE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE NUMBERS.
BECAUSE I WOULD, THIS IS JUST VICKY
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AND THEN OF COURSE THE, THE MONEY THAT'S COMING FROM THE GENERAL FUND WOULD REDUCE, BUT THAT'S, I'M JUST THROWING THAT AS AN IDEA THAT MAYBE, YOU KNOW, MIGHT WORK FOR EVERYBODY.
IT'S A COST OF DOING BUSINESS.
I DON'T THINK IT'S EVER GONNA GO DOWN.
I, WELL, OF COURSE, JUST LIKE INFLATION
ANY MORE QUESTIONS? OTHER QUESTIONS? JUST TO BE CLEAR, WHAT WE'RE ALL THESE SORTS OF THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AREN'T, AREN'T GONNA HAPPEN IN THIS BUDGET CYCLE.
RIGHT? SO THEIR IDEAS, I APPRECIATE THAT.
WELL, I GUESS IF WE INCREASE THE RATES, IT WOULD, WHAT THEY ARE NOT PART OF YOUR TAX SCHEDULE AFTER YOU, AFTER THE BOAR IS, WE'VE TALKED TWO, THREE TIMES NOW AND THIS SCHEDULE, THAT THIS IS THE SAME SCHEDULE YOU LOOKED AT, UH, A MONTH AGO AND SIX WEEKS AGO, UM, IDENTICAL.
I JUST CHANGED THE DATE, UH, TAXES YOU MUST SET BY EARLY APRIL IN ORDER TO MEET YOUR DEADLINES.
OR YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE YOUR REVENUE JUNE 30TH FOR THIS TAX YEAR.
FEES SUCH AS THIS AND THE BUILDING FEES, ET CETERA.
YOU CAN ADOPT ANYTIME YOU WISH.
AND IF IN MAY AND JUNE, AS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT WRAPPING UP YOUR BUDGET, YOU DECIDE YOU WANT TO DO A FEE AS PART OF THAT, YOU HAVE THAT OPTION.
IF YOU DECIDE YOU WANT TO LEAVE IT ALONE, THAT YOU HAVE THAT OPTION TO MOVE THIS
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AS AN EXAMPLE FROM 69 TO 79, JUST ARBITRARILY, THAT'S A VERY SIMPLE THING TO DO.JASON CAN WRITE THAT ORDINANCE IN HALF AN HOUR AND BRING IT UP AND YOU SCHEDULE A HEARING AND ADOPT IT, UH, TO INCLUDE THE MUNICIPALITY IN THE RATE.
IF YOU WERE GOING TO GO TO AN EXAMPLE OF THESE INDIVIDUAL HOUSEHOLD FEES THAT'S MORE COMPLICATED AND HAS MORE COST WITH IT THAT HAVEN'T BEEN DETERMINED YET, THEY WOULD TAKE LONGER.
YOU WOULD NOT, IN ALL PROBABILITY, YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO INITIATE THAT IN MAY AND HAVE IT IN PHASE PHASED IN IN JULY.
THE CHANGING THE FEE, THE DUMPING FEE OUT THERE, THAT'S PRETTY, THAT'S PRETTY QUICK.
AND IF, IF AFTER NEGOTIATIONS, IF, AND GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS, I MEAN, WE ARE, WE'RE NOT GONNA SEND TRASH.
WE'RE NOT GONNA RECEIVE IT AND, AND, AND NOT GET PAID WHAT IT COSTS US TO SEND IT DOWN THE ROAD.
BUT I ALSO WANT THE BOARD, AS I STARTED TO BE AWARE, THAT, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST 50% IS RESIDENTIAL.
SO WE CAN'T EXPECT THE COMMERCIAL CLIENTS TO CARRY THE WHOLE LOAD.
UM, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTOOD THAT.
ANYTHING ELSE BUT THE 37,000 TONS, IS THAT COMMERCIAL? OR IS THAT A TOTAL THAT'S, THAT'S EVERYTHING.
SO THAT DELTA ONLY APPLIES TO HALF OF THAT.
YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I HAD THAT.
I GAVE YOU THE FULL, BUT I PUT THE BIG NUMBERS THERE.
[B. Discussion - Board of Supervisors 2024 Priorities ]
UH, LAST WEEK THE BOARD, UH, WORKED ON THE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT OVER HERE AND ALSO YOUR PRIORITIES.AND THEY ARE ON THE ONE SINGLE SHEET THAT YOU HAVE OVER THERE.
AND WE WANT TO ASK YOU, IF WE LOOK AT ALL OF THIS, WE NEED, IT NEEDS TO BE ORGANIZED.
YOU CAN PUT IT ON THE PROCESSING SHEETS, BUT IT'S NOT ALL GOING TO GET DONE.
UH, AS MRS. COLLARS MIGHT REMEMBER, WE USED TO HAVE A PAGE WITH ABOUT 25 GOALS ON IT, 25 GOALS ON IT.
THEY WERE ALL THERE THE NEXT YEAR.
SO WE HAVE A PROPOSAL FOR YOU TO LOOK AT, UH, AS TO HOW TO MODIFY THIS A LITTLE BIT AND SEND IT BACK TO US SO THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS NEXT THURSDAY.
AND ALSO PLEASE LOOK OVER, WE MADE SOME DRAFTS ON THE PROJECT LEAD AND SOME DRAFTS ON PROJECT RESPONSIBILITY TO THAT.
WE PUT, WE NEED SOMETHING IN THERE.
SO MR. BUTLER ACTUALLY DISCUSSED THIS DURING OUR FIRST BOARD ADVANCE, UM, IN ACTUALLY WAITING OUT WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO YOU.
SO WE'RE ASKING EACH OF YOU TO TAKE 25 AS THE NUMBER THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO ALLOCATE AND YOU ALLOCATE IT AMONGST THESE 34 ITEMS. SO YOU CAN PUT ONE ON 25 OF THEM, OR YOU CAN PUT 25 ON ONE OF THEM.
YOU CAN BREAK IT OUT HOWEVER YOU'D LIKE IN ORDER TO PUSH YOUR AGENDA ITEMS FORWARD.
UM, SO I WILL SEND AN ELECTRONIC VERSION OF THIS TO EACH OF YOU, SO YOU CAN GO THROUGH, PLEASE LOOK AT THE GOALS.
'CAUSE WE HAVE COMBINED SOME OF THEM, UM, 'CAUSE WE FELT THEY WERE ALIGNED AND SHOULD BE ONE PROJECT, UM, OR ONE GOAL.
AND, UM, WEIGHED THEM AS YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM MOVED FORWARD NEXT WEEK.
HOPEFULLY BY SEND THEM BACK TO JANE.
JUST PRETEND YOU'RE THROWING LITTLE RED CHICKS OR SOMETHING IN THESE PLACES AND PUT THEM WHEREVER YOU WANT.
SEND IT BACK TO HER SO WE CAN BRING YOU SOMETHING BACK TO LOOK AT NEXT THURSDAY.
SO YOU'RE ASKING US TO RATE THEM AGAIN, YOU'RE NOT RATING THEM REGARDING IMPORTANCE.
BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK, WE HAVE 17 TOP ITEMS, THEY'RE, UH, RANKED AS A FIVE.
SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE RANKING THEM COMPETITIVELY SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT THEM WITHIN EACH OTHER.
SO YOU HAVE 25 POINTS THAT YOU CAN USE IN ORDER TO ALLOCATE WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT TO YOU.
AND FROM THAT POINT, WE WILL THEN BE ABLE TO
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RE-RANK THE ITEMS BASED OFF OF WHAT YOU WANT TO GO FORWARD, NOT JUST IN IMPORTANCE TO THE COUNTY, WHICH IS REALLY WHAT THE ONE THROUGH FIVE RANKING WAS.SO THE, SO, SO THE WAY THIS WORKS, UH, VICKI, IS, IS THAT, UH, IF YOU SEE ONE ON HERE THAT YOU, YOU JUST REALLY, REALLY, REALLY THINK THAT IS THE ONE THAT YOU THINK IS THE NUMBER ONE ITEM, AND YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT BECOMES THE NUMBER ONE ITEM.
YOU PUT ALL 25 OF YOUR VOTES ON THAT ONE, NONE OF THE OTHERS GET ANYTHING
ESSENTIALLY IT'S ANOTHER GOD, IT'S ANOTHER PASSIVE.
IT, IT IS, WE'RE TAKING WHAT WE PRIORITIZE FOR THE COUNTY, AND NOW WE'RE BREAKING UP FURTHER DOWN.
SO THEN WHEN WE DO THAT, THEN WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP? SO AT THAT POINT, IT WILL GO INTO POINT RANKING ORDER.
SO IF THERE ARE 17 POINTS FOR SOMETHING AND EVERYTHING BELOW IT, THEN THAT WOULD BECOME THE TOP.
AND WE, UH, REALLY THE, THIS AVERAGE SCORING THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE CAN REMAIN MM-HMM.
BECAUSE AS WE SEE, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT PROJECT LEADS.
SO IT'S OKAY ACTUALLY THAT THERE'S 17 OR HOWEVER MANY THERE ARE FIVE BECAUSE RIGHT.
THEY'RE NOT ALL THE SAME PERSON.
SO ABSOLUTELY WE CAN, WE CAN DO MORE THAN ONE THING AT A TIME.
UM, BUT THIS, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE GOING, WHAT YOU'RE, AND ALSO LIMITED RESOURCES.
ALMOST EVERYTHING ON HERE COSTS MONEY.
AND SO YOU, YOU CONTROL THE MONEY.
UM, SO KIND OF PUSHING WHERE YOU WANT THAT MONEY TO GO.
AND AS YOU DISPERSE THE PROJECTS, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO MORE OF THEM SIMULTANEOUSLY.
UM, AND THAT, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS WE DID HERE WAS WE HAVE TRIED TO COMBINE SOME PROJECTS WITH THE SAME SCORING, BUT PUT THEM TOGETHER SO THAT INSTEAD OF 25, THERE ARE 17 HERE FOR YOU TO LOOK AT AND LOOK AT THOSE OVER THE NEXT WEEK AND SEE WHETHER WE, WHETHER WE MI WHETHER WE PROPERLY CAPTURED THE MEANING OF THEM, OR YOU SEE SOMETHING THAT'S MISSING.
UH, 'CAUSE WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT, BUT TAKE A LOOK OVER THE WEEKEND TO DO THAT.
SO WE'RE GOING TO RATE A MONITOR AS WELL.
IF YOU FEEL, AND THIS, IF IT'S SOMETHING I CHOSE, WHETHER IT WAS A PROJECT OR SOMETHING THAT WE'RE MONITORING, IF YOU DON'T FEEL LIKE IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE MONITORING, BUT AN ACTUAL PROJECT REPLY BACK TO US BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING THAT BASED OFF OF THE, BASICALLY THE GOAL DESCRIPTION, I WAS LIKE, WHAT WOULD BE THE PROJECT TO IT? THEREFORE, I TITLED IT AS A MONITOR, OR I LABELED IT AS A SOMETHING TO MONITOR.
SO WHAT'S YOUR DEFINITION OF MONITORING VERSUS A PROJECT? IF, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE HAVE THE EGRESS ROAD FOR HAPPY CREEK? MM-HMM.
THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CREATE A PROJECT RIGHT NOW FOR, BECAUSE IT INVOLVES MULTIPLE ENTITIES AND WE FEEL LIKE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO MONITOR HOW IT CONTINUES TO DEVELOP.
VDOT WILL HAVE TO BE INVOLVED.
THE TOWN WILL HAVE TO BE INVOLVED.
LAND PURCHASES PROBABLY NOT FROM US, WILL HAVE TO BE INVOLVED.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT REALLY WOULD GO THROUGH A PLANNING PROCESS AND MONITORING OVER PROBABLY A NUMBER OF YEARS.
SO THAT WOULD PROBABLY NOT BE AN ITEM THAT WE'RE LIKE, OKAY, THIS IS A PROJECT.
SO THIS YEAR, I DON'T WANNA HOLD THIS UP.
WE, WE'LL TALK OFFLINE BECAUSE I HAVE A LOT OF OTHER, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, QUESTIONS ON, ON DOING THIS.
SO, BUT ANYWAY, I GET WHAT WE'RE DOING.
SO I'LL EMAIL A COPY OF THIS TO EVERYBODY.
AND THERE, THERE'S SEVERAL THINGS ON HERE THAT ACTUALLY CAN GO AHEAD AND GET GOING BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE THINGS THAT WE ARE GOING TO DO THAT MIGHT INVOLVE STAFF.
BUT THEY DON'T COST ANY MONEY, PER SE, LIKE THE AIRPORT, UH, EVALUATE UNTAPPED POTENTIAL OF THE AIRPORT.
DO YOU GUYS DO THAT EVERY TIME YOU HAVE A COMMISSION MEETING? MM-HMM.
SO I SEE SEVERAL LIKE THAT, THAT, SO WHEN YOU'RE EASY, YOU READ THEM.
WHEN YOU DECIDE WHERE YOU WANT TO RATE, PUT YOUR CHECKS.
UH, AND YOU'RE CORRECT, MRS. COOK, THE IDEA, THE MONITORING IS A MONITORING, IT'S A PROCESS.
AND WE'LL MOVE IT ACCORDINGLY.
WELL DO YOU
I COULD SEE DOING THIS EXERCISE FOR A PROJECT, BECAUSE
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A PROJECT DOES COST MONEY.I COULD SEE THAT AND PUT YOUR TIPS ON PROJECTS, MA'AM.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE JUST MONITORING TO GO WITH MS. KOHLERS, I MEAN, THAT'S JUST KEEPING AN EYE ON IT, YOU KNOW? BUT, BUT VICKY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT ANYTHING ON THERE.
DO WELL, BUT THEN I DON'T WANNA STOP MONITORING IT THOUGH.
BUT, BUT IF, BUT IF YOU SEE IT, WE'RE GONNA DO IT ANYWAY.
I GET, IF IT'S ON THE LIST, IT'S, IT'S, I KNOW, I GET IT.
SO YOU CAN PICK 25 OF THESE OUT, GIVE EACH ONE OF 'EM A ONE, OR ELSE YOU CAN PICK ONE AT AND GIVE IT A 25.
AND, AND ALSO, I'D JUST LIKE TO GET IT BE FAIR TO EVERYBODY.
THIS IS A NEW PROCESS FOR ALL OF US.
IF PEOPLE ARE WATCHING AND ACTING, SEEING LIKE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING, IT'S BECAUSE WE WE'RE TRYING, TRYING THIS, THIS OUT AS, AS A BOARD AND, AND, YOU KNOW.
THEY DO THESE AT CHILI CONTEST AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WHERE YOU DROP YOUR, WHOEVER GETS THE MOST TICKETS GETS THE PRIZE.
[C. Discussion - FY 2024-2025 County Budget ]
SO THE FIRST SHEET IN YOUR LITTLE GROUPING THERE, UH, CLIPPED TOGETHER, MR. HENDERSON, IS THAT RIGHT? YEP.SO I THOUGHT SHOULD BE THE BUDGET IN THE BOX.
I, I DON'T THINK I HAVE EVERYTHING.
I DIDN'T HAVE THE, THE, THE LANDFILL PACKET.
AND I THINK I'M MISSING THIS ONE TOO.
SO THE, YOU CAN SEE THE NUMBERS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE A LITTLE BIT.
YOU SEE THAT THE DEFICIT HERE, WHAT'S IN THE BOX IS 12 MILLION RATHER THAN LAST WEEK.
AND WE'LL KEEP WORKING ON IT, BUT YOU CAN LOOK AT THESE AND WHEN YOU, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THESE OTHER FORMS, BUT THEY ALL RELATE BACK TO THIS.
THIS IS KINDA LIKE THE SCORECARD, IF YOU WILL.
UM, I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE EDA, WHICH IS THE NEXT THING IN YOUR LIST.
THERE'S TWO FORMS. ONE IS THE LARGER EIGHT 11 BY 17, WHICH IS A REGULAR, LOOKS LIKE A REGULAR BUDGET FORMAT.
AND THEN THERE'S A, UH, MINI SHEET THAT I MADE UP THAT'S RED IN BLACK HERE.
UM, REFERRING TO THE, UH, SUMMARY SHEET THAT I DID HERE, A LITTLE BIT OF GREEN IN IT.
I PUT AT THE TOP, THE USDA THAT PAYS FOR ITSELF.
SO YOU SEE 21,000 AND SOME CHANGE IN THE REVENUE AND 21,000 CHANGE IN THE EXPENDITURES.
THE LOCAL REVENUE, THE EDA RECEIVES IS 20,000 IN BOND FEES.
AND THAT AGAIN, IS THE PAYMENT FOR PROCESSING THE BONDS THAT THEY DID BEFORE.
AND THEN THE RENTAL INCOME FOR THE PROPERTIES THAT THEY OWN THAT THEY RENT.
AND THEN THE RED COLUMN OVER THERE SHOWS THE VARIOUS ITEMS THAT WE HAVE REDUCED IN HERE FROM WHAT WAS THE REQUEST TO MATCH WHAT'S ON HERE.
UM, I PUT TWO AUDITS IN THERE, AS I BELIEVE I MENTIONED LAST WEEK, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT'S ALL WHERE THEY'RE GONNA GET DONE ON IT IN ONE YEAR RATHER THAN THE FOUR THAT WERE LISTED.
THE BOTTOM LINE OF THAT IS THAT THEY HAVE 75,000 IN OPERATING REVENUE, AND THEY HAVE 121,600 IN EXPENDITURES.
I WOULD NOTE THAT INCLUDES 50,000 FOR LEGAL.
AND THAT IS ESSENTIALLY 10 HOURS A MONTH OF THEIR ATTORNEY WHO WORKS WITH THEM AT THEIR MONTHLY MEETINGS IS WHAT THAT IS FOR.
SO THEY HAVE A DEFICIT OPERATING 46,600.
BELOW THAT IS THE UNITED LEACH RUN PARKWAY LOAN.
THERE IS A RESOLUTION THAT WAS ADOPTED BY THE TOWN AND BY THE COUNTY, SIGNED BY THE TOWN, SIGNED BY THE COUNTY SAYING WE WERE GOING TO SUPPORT THIS ENDOW.
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BY THE EDA FOR THE TOWN IN THE COUNTY TO BUILD THE ROAD THAT COMES OUT TO 16,168 FOR THE TOWN.THAT THEN BALANCES 47 5 AND 47 5.
THE NEXT ONE ON THERE IS THE AVTEC LOAN.
THAT LOAN, THERE IS NO SPECIFIC RESOLUTION THAT WE HAVE FOUND.
THERE IS THE PUBLIC FACILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH SAYS THAT THE TOWN WAS GOING TO PAY 33%, THE COUNTY WAS GOING TO PAY 34%.
AND THE EDA WAS GOING TO PAY THE REMAINING 33%.
THAT TOTAL BILLING IS 168,000.
AND, UM, I MEANT TO ADD TO THIS PACKET, UH, THE QUESTION LAST WEEK ABOUT WHERE THE 500,000 CAME FROM IN HERE ON THE BUDGET FOR THE INTEREST, THE LOANS TOTALED 4 99 AND SOME CHANGE IN THERE.
WE HAVE TAKEN IT OUT AND BROKEN OUT THE LOANS IN HERE.
SO YOU CAN SEE EXACTLY HOW MUCH MONEY GOES INTO EACH LOAN.
THAT'S JUST SO THAT EVERYBODY CAN TRACK THIS A LITTLE BETTER AS TO EXACTLY WHAT'S IN THERE.
THAT HAS, SINCE THE EDA HAS NO MONEY, IF THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY PAY THEIR SHARE EACH, THEN THERE'S A DEFICIT OF 55 5 THAT MAKES THE DEFICIT.
IF I ADD THE 55 5 AND THE 46 6 COMES DOWN THERE TO 102,001 26, THE COUNTY'S BILLING ON THERE IS 88,600.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE 57 PLUS THE 31.
SO THAT'S THE TWO LOANS IF WE PAID ON THOSE LOANS.
AND SO WE WOULD PAY THAT PLUS.
THEN THERE'S THIS COUNTY HERE AND YOU ADD THEM UP.
IF THE COUNTY DECIDES TO PAY THE TOWN SHARE UNDER THEIR RESOLUTION AND SO FORTH, THEN IT WOULD BE 262,413 THAT WE WOULD PAY COMBINING OUR ONE 90, WELL, OUR 88, THE ADAS 1 0 2 AND THE TOWN 72, THAT MEANS THE NUMBER IN HERE, THE ALLOCATION FROM THE COUNTY TO THE EDA WOULD BE ONE WOULD BE 2 62 4 1 3.
IF THE BOARD DECIDED IT OPTED TO PAY THE COMBINED LOAN FIRST BANK AND TRUST CONSOLIDATED LOAN THAT YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT THAT WE HAVE PAID IN RECENT YEARS, THAT WOULD TAKE OUR TOTAL TO 7, 6 6.
AND THAT'S WHAT MATCHES IN HERE AS OUR SHARE.
SO THAT'S HOW YOU CAN TRACK THIS.
WE DID NOT PUT THE REQUEST FOR THE IT FEDERAL IN THE PAPER AT ALL.
THAT'S, THAT'S ZEROED OUT IN HERE.
UM, AND THAT AGAIN, IS SOMETHING FOR YOU TO TAKE HOME AND LOOK AT AND STUDY TO YOUR HEART'S CONTEMPT.
ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE WITH IT, PLEASE UH, SEND ME A NOTE.
SEND MRS. SCOTT A NOTE ONE OF US.
SO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO WITH IT.
WELL OF COURSE, DOES IT, THIS DOESN'T INCLUDE THE LAWYER FEES THAT WE'RE PAYING TO HELP COLLECT THE SETTLEMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
IS THAT CORRECT? OR IS THAT PART OF THIS? WHAT WHAT DO YOU DO
YOU NEED, THERE ARE TWO, UM, THERE ARE TWO LAWSUITS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN FINALIZED.
UHHUH
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ADDITIONAL LAWSUIT LEGAL FEES INCLUDED IN THIS PROPOSAL.THE BOARD WANTS TO PUT THEM IN.
THE ONLY LAWYER IN HERE IS TO BE THEIR STAFF SUPPORT AT THEIR MEETINGS.
BUT NOT THE SETTLEMENT WHICH COMES OUT, COMES OUT OF OUR NO MORE, NO MORE LAWSUITS OR SETTLEMENT.
SO, SO THE $7.8 MILLION THAT WE'VE PAID IN LAWSUITS ARE GONNA STOP.
IT HAS TO STOP, START, UH, STOPPING IN FISCAL YEAR 25.
IT HAS TO STOP BECAUSE I MEAN THAT SINCE 20 THIS WAY, WAY YOU WANT 2018, IT MUST STOP.
IF SO, THAT HAS TO BE CONSIDERED IN THIS AS WELL.
AND IF, UH, IF WE COME BACK IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS AND SOMETHING'S RIGHT ON THE BRINK THAT'S LEFT, ONE OF THESE IS RESOLVED AND TAKEN CARE OF AND THE OTHER ONE'S RIGHT ON THE BRINK THERE AND THERE'S REASON TO, TO GET OUT OF THE TUNNEL, WE MIGHT COME BACK AND SAY TO MAKE A PROP, SMALL APPROPRIATION.
BUT IF THERE'S NO LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL, WE DO NOT ANTICIPATE DOING THAT.
I WOULD LET YOU KNOW THAT WE DID RECEIVE THE, UH, SETTLEMENT FROM MR. BUTLER'S CAR WASH TODAY.
AND IT HAS BEEN, OUR SHARE HAS BEEN DECO DEPOSITED IN THE COUNTY, AND MR. HENDERSON WILL BE TAKING THE BANK SHARE UP THERE TOMORROW.
I WANNA REITERATE WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
JUST FOR CLARITY, WE'RE NOT PUTTING MONEY IN TO CONTINUE LITIGATION AND COLLECTIONS.
IF SOMETHING IS IMMINENTLY ON THE BRINK OF MAYBE MAKING SENSE TO FUND ON AN AD HOC BASIS CAN ALLOCATE, UH, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WE DECIDE TO BRING THAT SETTLEMENT IN OR, OR WHATEVER IT IS.
SO IT'S NOT A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE SAYING, NOPE, NO MORE ATTORNEY'S FEES.
AND THEN OUR ATTORNEYS JUST STOP WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND THAT MILLION DOLLARS OF SETTLEMENT IS GONE.
WE CONTINUE WITH COMMUNICATIONS ON AN AD HOC BASIS.
IF THERE'S A REASON TO DO IT, THEN YES, WE WOULD DO IT.
THEN WE WOULD COME BACK TO THE BOARD.
IF THERE'S, UM, IF THE ONE THAT, UH, MOST RECENTLY THAT YOU RECEIVED EARLIER THIS WEEK MOVED ALONG AND THAT WAS, UM, THAT WAS GOING TO TAKE ANOTHER MONTH TO RESOLVE, WE WOULD BE BACK HERE.
IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S, THERE IS NO, THIS WAS TOTALLY DISMISSED THIS PROPOSAL AND WE WERE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT ANOTHER TWO YEARS, WE WOULD TELL YOU THAT.
BUT WE WOULD NOT RECOMMEND THAT YOU GO CONTINUE THAT LAW.
AND JUST FOR THE SAKE OF ANYONE WHO'S WATCHING, THE REASON FOR ALL THIS IS THAT IT'S, WE'RE WELL PAST.
IF, IF THERE EVER WAS A POINT WHERE WE WERE MAKING MONEY ON THIS, IT, IT'S COSTING DOLLARS TO, TO PICK UP DIMES.
THE TRAIN HAS LEFT THE STATION.
THERE'S NO WAY THAT WE'LL RECOVER.
THE UM, THE SCENARIO IS IF THERE'S A SETTLEMENT THAT COULD BRING, SAY IT WAS A $1 MILLION SETTLEMENT AND WE NEEDED TO PAY $10,000 MORE ATTORNEY'S FEES WE'RE ON IT THAN WE GO, WE DO IT.
WE DON'T BUDGET A MILLION DOLLARS OF ATTORNEY'S FEES HOPING WE'RE GONNA GET A MILLION DOLLARS.
I MEAN, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA BUDGET ANOTHER MILLION DOLLARS ATTORNEY'S FEES AND THEY'RE GONNA GIVE US, RECOMMEND A SETTLEMENT OF 10,000.
SO I, I JUST WANNA THROW THIS IN THE MIX.
AND I WOULD NOTE, UM, FOR THE RECORD THAT THOSE TWO OF THOSE ARE JOINT LOANS AND THEY ARE SMALLER LOANS.
AND IF EVERYBODY WANTED TO PLAY NICE AND RESOLVE THIS, I BELIEVE THE BANK WOULD TOO.
BUT AGAIN, EVEN THOUGH THIS LOOKS GREAT, YOU KNOW HOW WE REDUCED IT.
UM, BUT NEXT YEAR, IF WE DON'T START LOOKING AT THE NOTE THAT'S GONNA BE COMING DUE IN THE, IN JULY OF THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, THIS NUMBER, WHO KNOWS WHAT THIS NUMBER'S GONNA BE LIKE.
SO, SO I JUST WANNA PUT THAT OUT THERE AND THAT'S WHY WE BROKE OUT THE 88 SO YOU COULD SEE IT IF WE ARE, UM, OR THE 71 THERE RATHER.
SO YOU SEE WHAT IT IS IF WE'RE ON OUR OWN AND WE GO BACK AND DECIDE WELL, DO WE WANT TO
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CONTINUE THAT AMOUNT OR DO WE WANT TO DROP IT? YEAH.UM, THAT, UM, THAT'S STILL A DRAMATIC REDUCTION FROM WHAT WE HAVE BEEN PAYING.
THAT'S, UH, WE WENT DOWN $1.3 MILLION.
BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE SOME HARD DECISIONS.
BUT THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE'RE GOING, HOW WE DO IT.
AND THAT ONE THAT COMES DUE, I IRONICALLY IS THE ONE THAT THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY BOTH DID A RESOLUTION FOR.
SO WE SAID WE WERE GONNA PAY IT AND WE DRIVE UP AND DOWN THE ROAD EVERY DAY.
SO WE DON'T FLOW DOWN, OUT THERE
SO, SO THE NEXT ONE IS PERSONAL.
I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR HONESTY.
WE'RE ON THE PERSONNEL REQUEST JUST TO THE YES.
UM, OR DO THEY HAVE ONE? I THINK THEY, THEY GOT THE WRONG TAB ON THE SECOND ONE.
UM, SERIOUSLY THINKING THAT A NUMBER OF THESE POSITION, THESE POSITION CHANGES WILL, WE WILL GO BACK AND TELL THE DEPARTMENTS IF THEY CAN WORK IT WITHIN THEIR EXISTING BUDGET, WE WILL SUPPORT IT, BUT THEY'RE NOT GETTING ANY NEW MONEY FOR IT.
AND I THINK WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT SEVERAL OF THOSE WITH THAT WOULD REMIND THE BOARD OF THE CLERK OF THE COURT AS SEPARATE, BECAUSE WE DID LAST YEAR TELL MRS. MOORE THAT WE WERE DIVIDING THE REQUEST IN HALF AND WE WERE GOING TO TRY TO DO IT THIS YEAR.
IT'S NO GUARANTEE, BUT WE DID SAY WE WERE GONNA SUPPORT AND PUT, TRY TO DO THAT.
SO THOSE ARE A LITTLE BIT SEPARATE, BUT IF YOU REMEMBER ON THE OTHER SHEET THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR A PART-TIME PERSON.
AND WE MAY HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT POSITION TO PAY FOR THIS.
UM, SO THAT WE WILL MOVE THOSE ACCORDINGLY.
UM, SKIP OVER IF, WELL, BEFORE YOU GO ON, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THIS.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU'RE, WE'RE GONNA GO BACK TO THE DEPARTMENTS AND ASK THEM IF THEY, IF THEY WANT NEW POSITIONS, THEY HAVE TO AB ABSORB IT.
NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THESE POSITION UPGRADES.
WHICH ONE HUN? THE SHEET THAT YOU HAVE THAT HAS THESE POSITIONS THAT THEY WANTED RECLASSIFIED HERE.
THESE ARE THE RECLASSIFICATIONS.
THAT'S THE OTHER SHEET IS THE NEW POSITIONS.
IF REMEMBER WE HAVE THE, UH, POLICE, WE HAVE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT RIGHT ON THERE.
THOSE ARE STILL ON THERE AT THIS TIME.
THE OTHER POSITION THAT ON WAS ON THERE IS NOT.
AND, AND ON THE LAST, I JUST GO AHEAD ON THE LAST RED ROW, UM, AND THE COMMENT, UH, WHAT IS THE CAPITAL UH, ACRONYM? EE STAND FOR EMPLOYEE.
BEFORE YOU MOVE ON, I JUST WANNA ASK MS. MEADOWS, I WAS, I, I RAN A REPORT WHERE I, I, I'M COMPARING THE INITIAL REQUESTS TO WHAT'S WORK IN PROGRESS AND I SAW THE REDUCTION, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE COMING, IT'S COMING DOWN, BUT IT WAS SURPRISE, I SHOULDN'T SAY SURPRISE 'CAUSE INFLATION AND, AND WHATNOT, BUT THE BENEFITS WENT UP QUITE A BIT.
THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO WE HAVE, WHO HAVE BEEN APPROVED AND FUNDED ARE DOING WORK.
I COULD NOT BELIEVE THE INCREASE, BUT IF, UNLESS THAT'S NORMAL.
SO
WE MOVED BENEFITS OUT OF SALARIES AND THEN WE PUT 'EM BACK.
SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE PERCENT IN CLEAR GOV, IT'S FROM WHEN WE PUT IT BACK.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS I THINK LIKE 186% INCREASE THAT WE, THAT'S NOT THE INCREASE.
IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
SO WE GOT THE INITIAL QUOTE FROM OUR INSURANCE COMPANY FOR THE BENEFITS INCREASE, UHHUH
AND DEPENDING ON THE PLAN, IT'S BETWEEN 12 AND 14%.
SO THEY ARE NOW NEGOTIATING FOR A LOWER RATE.
UM, SO THE INDUSTRY AVERAGE IS A 10% AVERAGE FOR THIS YEAR
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BASED OFF OF CLAIMS. UM, THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE LAST 18 MONTHS 'CAUSE THEY NOW HAVE A FULL 18 MONTH CYCLE TO LOOK AT.UM, WE DID HAVE SOME SIGNIFICANT CLAIMS, UM, JUST BASED OFF OF THINGS THAT COME UP.
UM, SO WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN INCREASE.
BUT, UM, WE'RE HOPING THAT IT'S NOT A DOUBLE DIGIT INCREASE AND WE SHOULD HAVE THAT NUMBER HOPEFULLY BY THE END OF NEXT WEEK, IF NOT THE BEGINNING OF THE FOLLOWING.
AND THEN WE'VE SEEN THAT INCREASE.
WE'VE NOW GONE BACK TO WHERE WE WERE AT BEFORE OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS.
AND SO NOW WE'RE GOING UP AGAIN.
UM, SO THE, THE HURRY WE GO, THE BEHIND HER
UM, WE DO REALIZE THAT WITH INSURANCE COSTS, THEY WILL NEVER GO DOWN.
THINGS COST MORE AND IT'S A CHALLENGE IN THIS AREA BECAUSE OF PROVIDERS.
ONE GOOD THING IS THERE ADDITIONAL FACTORS BEING ADDED IN REGARDING, UM, VIRTUAL VISITS.
SO IT'S AN OPTION THAT PEOPLE CAN CONTINUE.
THAT'S MAYBE THE ONE GOOD THING THAT CAME OUT OF COVID.
UM, SO THAT PEOPLE IN RURAL AREAS CAN ACTUALLY SEE A DOCTOR INSTEAD OF HAVING TO WAIT A YEAR.
'CAUSE LIKE, LIKE I'M LOOKING AT FIRE AND RESCUE AND IT'S SHOWING, YOU KNOW, NO, NO CHANGES IN THE SALARY, WHICH IS THE FOLKS THAT THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW, BUT THE BENEFITS WENT UP EIGHT ALMOST 850.
AND THAT'S MOST MOVING THINGS.
LABOR AND BENEFITS IS THE MOST EXPENSIVE THING YOU'LL HAVE.
AND AS WE LOOK AT WHAT WE CAN AUTOMATE, YOU CANNOT AUTOMATE.
WELL, ALTHOUGH THE TICKETING SYSTEM THAT IS KIND OF AUTOMATING LAW ENFORCEMENT TO A SMALL EXTENT, BUT YOUR PUBLIC SAFETY, YOU HAVE TO HAVE LABOR.
IT'S NOT AN AREA THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO EVER CUT A ABSOLUTELY.
AUTOMATED TICKETS ARE, I WON'T QUOTE THE SHERIFF PROBABLY.
BUT YOU GOTTA HAVE THE OFFICER.
WELL, SO WE'VE BEEN GETTING NOTIFICATIONS, THE WARNINGS OF THE SCHOOL ZONE TICKETS.
SO WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO PEOPLE THAT OKAY, YOU WERE GOING 26 AND A 15.
SO WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT WITH THE TEAM AND WE'LL BE BRINGING A POLICY MODIFICATION TO YOU ALL VERY SHORTLY.
IT IS A BIG BROTHER WATCHING BIG BROTHER
SO JUST BECAUSE THERE'S AN L TAG ON IT DOESN'T GIVE YOU A BREAK.
WHETHER YOU'RE A FIRE TRUCK, UH, AMBULANCE, A SHERIFF'S DEPUTY OR PUBLIC WORKS P CARS DO NOT WORK FOR YOU
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING BENEFITS? IS THAT POLICY GONNA BE YOU, YOU WERE OUT, IT'S OUTTA YOUR POCKET SINCE IT WAS YOUR FOOT ON THE PEDAL.
UM, SINCE THE VEHICLE IS OH, REGISTERED TO US, WE WILL PAY IT.
THEY WILL HAVE A PAYROLL DEDUCTION.
I WAS KIND OF KIDDING ABOUT THAT, BUT NOPE.
THEY ARE ALL BEING COACHED CURRENTLY AND THE ENTIRE TEAMS ARE BEING MADE AWARE.
SEVERAL OF OUR SUPERVISORS HAVE USED THEMSELVES AS AN EXAMPLE,
DOES THAT AFFECT, HERE'S THE PICTURE OF MINE, DOES THAT AFFECT THE COUNTY INSURANCE? UH, NO.
NOT BECAUSE IT'S BASICALLY LIKE A PARKING TICKET.
THE ONLY THING IT WOULD AFFECT WOULD BE IF WE DIDN'T PAY IT, THEN THERE WOULD BE LATE FEES.
I MEAN, BUT NO, OUR INSURANCE, NO, THERE'S NO IMPACT TO IT.
IF THERE WAS ANOTHER VEHICLE WHERE YOU, THEY HIT
YEAH, NO, IT'S KIND OF LIKE A NO FAULT.
I GO THROUGH THERE AND I, I JUST GO 15 ALL THE WAY.
I SOMETIMES WONDER IF I'M GONNA MAKE IT UP THE HILL, BUT YEAH.
AND I HESITATE, I DON'T, I DON'T INTEND TO MICROMANAGE.
UM, BUT I DO, I DO SEE THERE'S A HOST OF MERIT INCREASES AND SOME ARE, AREN'T THERE ANYMORE.
AND UM, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE WHOLE SCHEME OF THINGS.
UM, AND WE VALUE PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING GREAT.
UM, SO I JUST, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.
SO, UM, SO WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT FUNDS.
ONE THAT IS THE POOL FOR COLA COST OF LIVING, THE ANTICIPATED INCREASE FROM THE STATE.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A CONTINGENCY FUND.
I BELIEVE WE STILL HAVE IT IN THE BUDGET FOR MERIT POOL.
SO THAT WE COULD DO THAT LAST YEAR.
WE INITIALLY THOUGHT WE'D BE ABLE TO ROLL IT OUT AND THEN AFTER GETTING THE PERFORMANCE REVIEWS, WE REALIZED THAT THEY WERE
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NOT OKAY THERE YET.THAT, THAT'S, I SO THINK WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS NOT CONTINUING TO MICROMANAGE.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, WELL, AND IT'S ONE OF THE GOALS ACTUALLY, IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR PAY FOR PERFORMANCE, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS.
IT'S VERY DIFFERENT FOR GOVERNMENT ESPECIALLY.
UM, TO LOOK AT PAY FOR PERFORMANCE.
AND WE HAVE, UM, QUITE FRANKLY, WE HAVE PEOPLE IN, IN THIS ROOM THAT WE CAN'T PAY ENOUGH FOR.
WE JUST DON'T PAY THEM ENOUGH AND WE APPRECIATE ALL OF WHAT THEY DO FOR THE COUNTY.
SO LOOKING AT YOUR ASSETS, UM, MA'AM, YOU SEE THE REISE THERE AT 2 0 8 5.
WE WILL BE TAKING THE GOLF COURSE OFF OF THERE TOMORROW.
AND WE'LL BE LOOKING AT SOME OF THE OTHERS.
UM, LOOK THROUGH HERE AND SEE RECOMMENDATIONS, WHAT YOU SEE.
AND WE'LL BE CONTINUING TO WORK ON THAT, UH, AS IT GOES.
I, HOW DO WE TAKE THE GOLF COURSE OFF? I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE, WE'RE NOT REQ.
WE, WE PUT THAT 25,000 IN FOR OUR MAINTENANCE OUT THERE.
THAT'S THE MAX THINGS WE WILL DO.
AND WE HAVEN'T SPENT THE 25,000 THAT'S THERE THIS YEAR YET.
AND WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO SKIP A YEAR.
UM, CIP UH, IS DOWN TO ABOUT 150,000 HERE.
UM, THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE IT'S GONNA STAY UNLESS THE BOARD DECIDES IT WANTS TO PUT THINGS BACK IN.
WHERE ARE YOU? UH, NEXT PAGE COPY OF THIS.
SO QUESTION ARE THE RED NUMBERS WHAT YOU'VE TAKEN OUT? OKAY.
THE RED, IF YOU LOOK AT THE COLUMN, THE FIRST, THE BLUE COLUMN, THE FIRST BLUE COLUMN IS WHAT THE REQUEST WAS.
THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY ASKED FOR THEN.
THEN YOU SEE THE FIRST REVISIONS WE MADE IN THREE SIX AND YOU SEE THE NEXT GROUP OF REVISIONS WE MADE THREE 13.
AND THEN THE S IS FROM NEXT, FROM THERE ON IS FROM 26 ON.
I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THE, UM, RECORD MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE NOTE ON THE FAR RIGHT.
UM, ONE OF THEM WOULD BE THAT THE FIRST PAYMENT WOULD NOT BE DUE UNTIL A YEAR AFTER THE SIGNING OF THE CONTRACT.
SO IF WE WERE TO SIGN THE CONTRACT WITH MOTOROLA, UM, USE UTILIZING THEIR FINANCING OPTIONS, UM, IT WOULD, AND WE WAITED UNTIL THE END OF JUNE, WE WOULD NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR IT IN NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
IT WOULD HIT THE FOLLOWING ONE.
UM, ALYSSA IS ACTUALLY PARTNERING WITH, UM, VML IN ORDER TO LOOK AT OTHER FINANCING OPTIONS.
SO EVEN THOUGH THERE'S ZERO IN THERE FOR FY 25, THAT'S WHY THE NOTE'S IN RED, BECAUSE IT IS SOMETHING THAT'S TECHNICALLY IT WOULD GO INTO EFFECT IN 25, BUT WE WOULDN'T PAY FOR IT UNTIL 26.
SO IF WE FINANCE IT, IT'D BE LESS THAN THE 361 K.
UM, THERE, THERE ARE THREE OPTIONS.
IT'S A THREE YEAR, FIVE YEAR, AND SEVEN YEAR OPTION.
UM, ONE'S SLIGHTLY, I THINK LIKE 4.6%.
ONE'S FIVE, ONE'S SLIGHTLY ABOVE FIVE.
UM, SO IT WOULD COST US MORE, IT WOULD COST US MORE TO FINANCE IT ABSOLUTELY.
THAN TO PAY PAYOUT, RIGHT? YES, YES.
BUT, BUT YOU GET IT RIGHT AWAY AND YOU DON'T ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO PAY YOUR FIRST PAYMENT UNTIL A YEAR LATER.
RIGHT THERE IT WOULD BE INITIAL IMPLEMENTATION AND ROLLOUT.
SO YOU'RE NOT WAITING UNTIL YOU'VE PAID FOR EVERYTHING TO START USING IT.
AND THAT WOULD GIVE US TIME TO SAVE SOME MONEY UP FOR IT.
SO, UM, WITH THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT, SO THIS GOING TO WHO, WHO'S GONNA BE TAKING THE LEAD ON THIS PER SE? WHO'S GONNA DO MOST OF THE WORK? THE SUBCONTRACTOR OR OUR RT PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY IT WOULD MOST LIKELY BE A COMBINATION.
SOMEONE FROM WITHIN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND SOMEONE FROM E 9 1 1 AND ALSO SOMEONE FROM FIRE AND RESCUE.
UM, THE, BECAUSE THE SYSTEM IS A COMBINATION OF A CAD
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SYSTEM, WHICH IS THE E 9 1 1 MM-HMM.AND THEN WITH THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT, THAT'S WHERE THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, UM, WOULD BE MORE INVOLVED.
SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO IDENTIFY A PROJECT TEAM IN ORDER TO ENSURE THIS GETS DONE.
I'LL LET YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY CHALLENGING TO DO IT WHILE YOU'RE DOING YOUR REGULAR JOB
SO, SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, LOOKING AT THE CAPACITY OF THE TEAM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT SHERIFF KLEIN AND CHIEF, UM, ZAO WOULD REALLY HAVE TO WORK THROUGH AND PLAN.
SO HOW DID, WHAT'S THE BASIS, UM, OF ESTIMATE OF THE $1.1 MILLION FOR THIS? THAT IS THE QUOTE FROM MOTOROLA.
SO THAT, THAT'S JUST FOR TOTAL PROJECT, BUT NOT THE RESOURCES THAT WE WOULD EXPAND TO IMPLEMENT IT.
I WON'T KEEP EVERYBODY UP, BUT I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS, BUT WE'LL TALK OFFLINE.
INTERNAL TIME, HUH? INTERNAL TIME.
OR MAYBE A DISCUSSION QUESTION.
UM, THE TRANSITION FROM ONE FOR THE, FOR THE TWO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ITEMS THAT ARE ON HERE THAT ARE NOT THE RECORD MANAGE SYSTEM.
UM, PART OF ME WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THE DEPARTMENT HEAD THE FLEXIBILITY TO, TO SHIFT THAT IF THEY THINK IT'S ONE IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE OTHER, AMONG, AMONGST ALL OF THEIR ITEMS ON HERE.
AND I, I JUST HOPE THE BOARD WOULD BE AMENABLE TO THAT.
LIKE OBVIOUSLY THESE CAN BE CHANGED WITH APPROPRIATIONS LATER IN TRANSFERS, BUT, BUT I'D ALMOST LIKE TO GIVE THAT DISCRETION UPFRONT AND NOT HAVE RIGHT.
SO WITH THE TWO PROJECTS THAT ARE LEFT ON THERE, UM, AND ACTUALLY A THIRD SHIFTED FROM CAPITAL TO ASSETS PROTECTION.
SO THE, UM, 250 OR SORRY, UM, YEAH, TWO 50 MOVED TO THE ASSET REPLACEMENT.
UM, YEAH, SO WE FELT THAT THAT WAS A MORE APPROPRIATE LOCATION FOR IT AND UM, IN SPEAKING WITH, WE DO SPEAK TO THEM BEFORE WE REDUCE THEIR MONEY ON MOST THINGS, UM,
BUT YES, THE, UM, STATION 10 UPGRADE, THAT IS DEFINITELY A PRIORITY.
UM, AND IT REMAINS A PRIORITY FOR THE TEAM.
BUT THE CANCER PREVENTION, WE SHIFTED IT TO ASSETS, SO OKAY.
AND IT'S A SERIES OF ITEMS THAT WE CAN SPEND VARIOUS AMOUNTS, VARIOUS YEARS.
IT'S A CONTINUING UPGRADE, UNLIKE THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT, WHICH IS THIS IS THE PRICE.
AND, UM, WE HAD SOME INITIAL COSTS OF THINGS WE HAD TO DO THAT WERE, UH, ONE TIME COSTS, GET THEM DONE, AND THEN THE OTHERS WERE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT IN STAGES AS THEY GO.
BUT WE DO, AS JANE SAID, WE DO WANT TO SEE WHAT THEY, IF WE HAVE CERTAIN, CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE CHIEF WANTS TO DO WITH IT RATHER THAN JUST ARBITRARILY UM, PARTNER AGENCIES.
MA'AM, THEY, UM, THIS IS A LITTLE HIGHER BECAUSE IT HAS THE RSW JAIL IN HERE.
AND WE WE'RE TALKING TODAY THAT THAT SHOULD BE LISTED AS ONE OF YOUR AGENCIES.
UM, WE WILL MEET, UM, IN TWO WEEKS TO FINALIZE THAT BUDGET.
UM, THE INCREASE HERE IS 575,000 THAT THEY HAD AN OPTION OF 2% AND AN OPTION OF 4% INCREASES.
I ASK THEM TO COMPUTE A 3% SINCE THAT'S WHAT THE STATE'S DOING AND THAT'S WHAT, UH, THE MONEY, THE MONEY WE GET FROM THE STATE IS GOING TO, UH, SUPPORT.
SO TRYING TO MAKE IT MORE UNIFORM.
UH, OTHER THAN THAT, PRETTY MUCH LOOK AT THEM ALL.
THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH EITHER LEVEL OR SOME CASES A LITTLE BIT LESS.
UM, THERE'S NO NEW AGENCIES IN HERE INCLUDED HERE.
AND, UM, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, IF I MAY, DOWN HERE, THE THIRD ITEM FROM THE BOTTOM, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT LAST YEAR WE ORIGINALLY ALLOCATED 3 73 AND THEN WE CARRIED FORWARD 96,000 FOR THEM AND SOME CHANGE.
SO THAT THEIR TOTAL, UH, ALLOCATION LAST YEAR BECAME 4 7 0 4 60.
AND I USED THAT AS THE BASIS RATHER THAN
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THE 3 73.UH, ALL OF THAT IS ON MATCHING STATE AND FEDERAL MONEY AND WE DON'T WANT TO FAULT FAR BEHIND IN THAT.
AND IT WOULD PUT US FURTHER, WE'LL BE 18,000 BELOW HERE, BUT WE BELIEVE WE CAN MAKE THAT UP AT THE END OF THE YEAR WITH, WITH THEM AND THEIR CARRY FORWARD.
UM, THE OTHERS YOU CAN LOOK AT AND GO THROUGH THEM AND THINK ABOUT 'EM AND CALL US WHEN YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, ET CETERA.
FOR THE HUMANE SOCIETY, GIVEN THAT THAT'S A CONTRACT.
JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THE NUMBER CAME FROM.
DID YOU GET REVISED, SIR? DID YOU GET REVISED STATEMENTS APPLICATION FROM THEM FROM THE HUMANE SOCIETY? YEAH, WE ASKED FOR 'EM.
WE ASKED FOR THEM, BUT IT SAYS IT'S THEIR CONTRACT RENEWAL.
WHICH CHANGES THE POSITION A LITTLE BIT.
SO, UM, EXPLAIN, UH, UM, WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT OFFLINE IF I COULD FOR A MOMENT, SIR.
WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS THERE.
SO WHAT WAS YOUR CRITERIA OF REDUCING THE, UM, THE REQUESTED BUDGET OF THESE NONPROFITS THAT HAVE BEEN FLAT FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS? SO, UH, LET ME LOOK HERE, SEE IF I CAN, SO IF YOU LOOK AT ACCESS INDEPENDENCE, WE'VE BEEN GIVEN THEM $3,200.
OH, THEN YOU WENT DOWN TO THE PRIOR YEAR.
SO IT'S, SO IT'S, THESE ARE BASED, WHAT I HAVE HERE IN 24 25 IS ESSENTIALLY BASED ON THE PRIOR YEAR.
BUT, WELL HERE I'M LOOKING AT FRIENDS OF SHENANDOAH.
SO WHAT WAS THAT CRITERIA? WELL, BECAUSE EVERYBODY ELSE I'M LOOKING AT, WELL, WELL WE DID THE SAME WITH NORTHWESTERN.
I SAID, TAKE A LOOK AT THESE AND SEE WHAT THEY ARE.
AND IF YOU, SO THERE WAS NO CRITERIA, WAS JUST KIND OF GOING THROUGH AND SAYING, EH, I'D BE GLAD TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT OFFLINE.
UM, AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE THIS EVENING MA'AM.
THAT'LL BE PLENTY OF WORK FOR YOU TO LOOK AT AND REVIEW AND WORK ON AND KEEP LOOKING AT THE OPERATING BUDGET.
'CAUSE YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE LITTLE CHANGES GOING IN THERE AND WE WILL BE BRINGING THAT BACK HOPEFULLY NEXT WEEK TO LOOK AT.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS BEFORE WE ADJOURN? MOTION TO ADJOURN.
SO, ALRIGHT, SECOND, EVERYONE IN FAVOR? AYE.