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MEETING OF THE WARREN COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSIONED ORDER.
OUR FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT IS PLEDGE OF THE PLEDGE
[II. Call to Order]
OF ALLEGIANCE.PLEASE RISE AS YOU OF MAPLE AND TO REMOVE YOUR HANDS, I'VE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO MY OF UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH WHICH STANDS, IMAGINATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE OF
[IV. Adoption of the Agenda]
ITEM IS THE ADOPTION OF OUR AGENDA.MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE AGENDA AS PRESENTED.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF ADOPTION, THE, UH, OF THE AGENDA PLEASE SAY AYE.
OPPOSED? OUR AGENDA'S ADOPTED.
[V. Adoption of the Regular Meeting Minutes]
ADOPTION OF REGULAR MEETING MINUTES OF OUR APRIL 10TH MEETING.I SOLE MOVE THAT WE, UH, APPROVE THE MEETING, MEETING MINUTES AS PRESENTED.
NEXT ITEM IS PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS.
PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS ARE LIMITED.
ISSUES THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA IS INTENDED AS OPPORTUNITY TO PUBLIC GIVE INPUT ON RELEVANT PLANNING ISSUES AND NOT INTENDED AS A QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD.
SO IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING NOT ON THE AGENDA THAT'S ON YOUR MIND, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND SAY WHAT IT IS.
WE'LL LISTEN TO YOU SEEING NO ONE COME FORWARD.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO AIR PUBLIC HEARINGS, ANYTHING.
WE HAVE SIX PUBLIC HEARINGS TONIGHT.
[VII.A. CUP2024-04-01 - Andres Barkil-Oteo - A request for a conditional use permit for a Short-Term Tourist Rental. The property is located at 351 Donna Court and identified on tax map 15D, section 2, block 5, as lot 282A. The property is zoned Residential-One (R-1) and located in the Shenandoah Farms - Riverview subdivision in the Shenandoah Magisterial District. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator]
THE FIRST ONE, CUP 20 24 0 4 0 1 ANDRE BARK HILL EO PARDON ME ON THE NAMES ON THIS ONE.REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 3 51 DONNA COURT IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 15 D SECTION TWO BLOCK FIVE AS LOT 2 82.
A PROPERTY ZONED R ONE RESIDENTIAL LOCATED IN THE SHENANDOAH FARMS RIVERVIEW SUBDIVISION IN THE SHENANDOAH MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY INTENDS TO PURCHASE.
THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR SHORT-TERM LODGING FOR TOURISTS AND VISITORS OF THE WARREN COUNTY AREA.
THE APPLICANT WILL RETAIN A LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGER TO HELP OVERSEE MAINTENANCE, CLEANING AND THE BOOKING OF RENTAL REQUESTS.
SO, AS MENTIONED IS IN THE RIVERVIEW SECTION OF THE SHENANDOAH FARM SUBDIVISIONS AND RESIDENTIAL ONE.
WE DID GET COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS OF SHENANDOAH FARMS, UM, INDICATING THEY HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THE PROPOSED USE.
THEY DO ADVISE, UM, THAT FOUR-WHEEL DRIVE VEHICLES ONLY OR CHANGE SHOULD BE ADVERTISED, UH, TO THE, THE GUESTS.
UM, AND THIS IS A UNDUE CONSTRUCTION.
UH, IT'S BRAND NEW, UH, AND THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT HAS APPROVED IT FOR, UH, UP TO SIX OCCUPANTS.
UM, THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED THEIR PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN AND THEIR PROPERTY MANAGER LIVES WITHIN THE REQUIRED 30 MILES DISTANCE FROM THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A WAIVER TO THE 100 FOOT SETBACK, UH, REGULATION.
THE DWELLING DOES NOT MEET THAT.
UH, THE NEAREST NEIGHBORING RESIDENCE IS LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 35 FEET TO THE WEST OF THE DWELLING ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
UM, BOTH PROPERTIES ARE OWNED BY THE BUILDER STILL AT THIS TIME.
UM, SO NOT A NEIGHBOR HASN'T MOVED IN YET.
UM, SO I WILL NOTE THAT THIS IS THE FIRST ROUND OF SHORT TERM RENTALS WE'VE HAD SINCE THE ORDINANCE WAS AMENDED.
SO YOU'LL SEE A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT FORMAT TO THE STAFF REPORTS AND ALSO FEWER CONDITIONS SINCE SOME OF THOSE STANDARD CONDITIONS WE'VE IMPLEMENTED INTO THE ACTUAL CODE.
UH, AND WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE RESTRICTIONS ARE INCLUDED IN THEIR PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLANS BEFORE THEY GET THEIR BUSINESS LICENSE.
UM, BEFORE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WE'RE RECOMMENDING CONDITION NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.
NUMBER TWO, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED THE SYSTEM CAPACITY AS DETERMINED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT PER WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION 180 DASH 56.4 B.
THE CERTIFICATE OF ZONING SHALL ONLY BE ISSUED WITH APPROVED HEALTH DEPARTMENT RECORDS.
NUMBER THREE, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE WELL WATER TESTED ANNUALLY FOR ECOLINE COLIFORM BACTERIA AND A COPY OF THE RESULTS SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING AND HEALTH DEPARTMENTS.
NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM MAINTAINED ANNUALLY BY A LICENSED OPERATOR
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AS REQUIRED FOR AN ALTERNATIVE ONSITE SEWAGE DISPOSAL SYSTEM.THE APPLICANT SHALL ALSO HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM PUMPED EVERY FIVE YEARS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, AND A COPY OF THE SERVICE INVOICE SHALL BE PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO, UH, RECOMMEND THE SETBACK BE WAIVED, UH, CONDITION NUMBER FIVE, A WAIVER TO THE REQUIRED SETBACK OF 100 FEET TO NEIGHBORING DWELLING SHALL BE GRANTED FOR THE EXISTING 35 FOOT SETBACK TO THE DWELLING, UH, WEST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER IS NOTIFIED AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US.
ANYTHING YOU CARE TO ADD, SIR? UM, THAT'S, I, IF YOU'RE GOING TO, YOU NEED TO COME UP TO THE PODIUM.
AND AGAIN, YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
UM, ANDRES, UH, MY ADDRESS IS CURRENT ADDRESS IN DC UM, SIX 30 14TH STREET.
AND MY CURRENT ADDRESS HERE AT 35 1 DONNA COURT, FRONT ROYAL, UM, I, I LARGELY RESIDES IN DC AND WE CAN USE THIS PROPERTY AS OUR SECOND HOME.
UM, AND WE FIGURED FOR THE TIMES THAT WE ARE NOT OCCUPIED OCCUPYING THE PROPERTY WE'RE GONNA PUT ON AIRBNB.
WE, AND WE LOOKED AT THE PROPERTY, LOOKED AT THE, AT THE N THE ISSUE WITH THE WAIVER OF, UM, DISTANCE FROM THE NEIGHBOR.
WE, UH, SPOKE WITH A LANDSCAPING COMPANY.
THEY'RE GONNA CREATE A BARRIER BETWEEN US.
UM, AND ALSO WE CAN ADVERTISE IT AS A NO, NO PARTIES, NO NOISE.
THIS GONNA BE OUR NEIGHBORS ANYWAY.
THERE'S GONNA BE A, UM, OUR SECOND HOME SO WE CAN MAINTAIN IT.
WELL AND UM, THAT'S, UH, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.
THIS IS WHY THE PURPOSE OF THE LICENSE.
THAT PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
DOES ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? DOES ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK THAT DIDN'T SIGN UP? PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR THE OWNER.
I DO NEED YOU TO COME UP SO THAT WE CAN PICK UP.
SO THE QUESTION IS, ARE YOU BUYING THIS PROPERTY FROM THE BUILDER OR ARE YOU THE BUILDER? NO, I'M BUYING IT FROM THE BUILDER.
YOU'RE BUYING IT FROM THE BUILDER? CORRECT.
'CAUSE IF YOU OWN BOTH OF THEM,
I THINK ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT BEFORE? HE SAYS DON'T WANT TO BE LIKE A YO-YO.
MY CONCERN IS THE POTENTIAL NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR.
IF IT'S A BRAND NEW HOUSE THAT THEY'RE GETTING READY TO BUILD, WE'RE POTENTIALLY, UM, WAVERING A SETBACK BEFORE THEY ARE ACTUALLY MOVING IN.
CORRECT? YEAH, THAT WAS, THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION.
'CAUSE IT'S, THAT'S ONE OF MY CONCERNS.
AND MY CONCERN ALSO IS WHEN YOU GRANT A 35 FOR THIS ONE, THEN WHAT HAVE DO FOR EVERYBODY.
SO I THINK BEING WITH THAT, UM, WE CAN, UH, I CAN MAKE A MOTION IF YOU PLEASE.
UM, I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO DENY THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST OF ANDRE BARCA OEL.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF DENIAL, PLEASE SAY AYE.
OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT IF SIRS WILL BE FORWARDED ON TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR THE FINAL SAY, APPROXIMATELY A MONTH.
[VII.B. CUP2024-04-02 – Fred & Christine Andreae (Lynx Properties, LLC) - A request for a conditional use permit for a Short-Term Tourist Rental. The property is located at 6331 Page Valley Road and identified on tax map 41 as lot 46. The property is zoned Agricultural (A) and located in the South River Magisterial District. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator]
NEXT PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT, CUP 20 24 0 4 0 2 FRED AND CHRISTINE ANDRE LINKS PROPERTIES LLC REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL PROPERTIES LOCATED AT 6 3 3 1 PAGE VALLEY ROAD.THE FOUND IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 41 AS LOT 46 PROPERTY'S OWNED AGRICULTURAL LOCATED IN THE SOUTH RIVER MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.
MR. LEN, AGAIN, THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.
THE APPLICANTS ARE REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY THEY PURCHASED IN APRIL OF 2006.
THE OWNERS WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THEIR PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR SHORT, SHORT-TERM LODGING FOR WEEKENDERS, LOOKING FOR AN ESCAPE FROM THEIR LIVES IN CROWD CROWDED URBAN AREAS.
PROPERTY WILL BE MANAGED BY A LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGER WHO WILL OVERSEE MAINTENANCE, CLEANING AND BOOKING OF RENTAL REQUESTS.
UM, SO THIS, UH, DWELLING HAS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT APPROVING A MAXIMUM OF SIX OCCUPANTS FOR THE THREE BEDROOM DWELLING, PROVIDED A PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN AND, UH, IT IS NOT IN A SUBDIVISION GOVERNED BY
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AN HOA OR, OR POA.UM, THE DWELLING DOES MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT TO ADJACENT SIGNAL FAMILY DWELLINGS WITH THE CLOSEST DWELLING LOCATED 722 FEET TO THE SOUTH.
UM, I WILL GO AHEAD AND READ THROUGH, UM, THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS AND I ALSO WANT TO EXPLAIN A SLIGHT, SLIGHT TWEAK WE HAVE TO THE SEPTIC SYSTEM SERVICING, UH, CONDITION.
UM, SO I'M NOT SURE AT WHAT POINT, BUT THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT COMMENTS KIND OF STOPPED SAYING THAT THEY NEED TO BE INSPECTED ANNUALLY AND THEY'RE MORE SO, UH, FOR THE CONVENTIONAL SYSTEMS PUSHING THE, SERVICING THEM EVERY THREE TO FIVE YEARS.
AND, UH, SO WE HAVE WITH ALL THESE OTHER CHANGES WHERE WE WENT AHEAD AND, AND, UH, CHANGED THIS AS WELL.
UM, AND IT HAS ALSO BEEN A SOURCE OF, UH, DIFFICULTY FOR THE APPLICANTS AS WELL.
UM, A LOT OF CONFUSION BETWEEN THEM AND THE SEPTIC PROVIDER OR INSPECTOR CONFUSION OVER WHAT KIND OF INSPECTION THEY NEED.
AND THEY, YOU KNOW, COME TO US SAYING, MY INSPECTION'S GONNA COST $2,000.
WE FIGURE WE COULD SIMPLIFY THAT MATCH WHAT THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT COMMENTS SAY SINCE THAT'S WHERE IT CAME FROM IN THE FIRST PLACE.
UM, SO MOVING FORWARD FOR THE SHORT TERM RENTALS, YOU'LL SEE THE REQUIREMENT THAT THE SYSTEM BE SERVICED EVERY FIVE YEARS FOR CONVENTIONAL SYSTEMS. AND THE ALTERNATIVE SYSTEMS HAVE AN ANNUAL MAINTENANCE CONTRACT AS IT IS.
SO THAT WILL CHANGE ANY, UM, BUT FOR, UH, THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS NUMBER.
SEE, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED THE SYSTEM CAPACITY AS DETERMINED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT PER WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION 180 DASH 56.4 B.
THE CERTIFICATE OF ZONING SHALL ONLY BE ISSUED WITH APPROVED HEALTH DEPARTMENT RECORDS.
NUMBER THREE, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE WELL WATER TESTED ANNUALLY FOR E CO AND COLIFORM BACTERIA AND A COPY OF THE RESULTS SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING AND HEALTH DEPARTMENTS.
AND NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM SERVICED EVERY FIVE YEARS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND A COPY OF THE SERVICE INVOICE SHALL BE PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED AND I AM ACTUALLY NOT SURE IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING.
UM, BUT I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
SO WITH THAT, THIS PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN.
ANYONE SIGN UP? ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK ANYHOW? PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
SOUNDS LIKE EVERYTHING'S IN ORDER ON THIS ONE.
YOU WON'T CARE TO BE A WORDSMITH.
WHY DO WE HAVE TO WORDSMITH IT?
THEY PROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST BY FRED AND CHRISTINA ANDREAS LINKS PROPERTY LLC FOR THE SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL WITH CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND WITH THAT.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
OPPOSED? AYES HAVING TO BE FORWARDED ON TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
[VII.C. CUP2024-04-03 – Pennoni, Inc. - Mike Artz - A request for a conditional use permit for a Building Height in Excess of 40’ within the Highway Corridor Overlay District and Commercial zoning district for a proposed building height of 55’. The property is located at (0) Hospitality Dr. and identified on tax map 12J, lot 2. The property is zoned Commercial (C) and located in the Blue Ridge Shadows subdivision and in the North River Magisterial District. - Matt Wendling, Planning Director]
NEXT ITEM, CUP 20 24 0 4 0 3 PENONI INCORPORATED.MIKE ARTS REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR BUILDING HEIGHT AND EXCESS OF 40 FEET WITHIN THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT AND COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT FOR A PROPOSED BUILDING HEIGHT OF 55 FEET.
PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN HOSPITALITY DRIVE IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 12 J LOT TWO PROPERTY ZONE COMMERCIAL LOCATED IN BLUE RIDGE SHADOWS SUBDIVISION IN NORTH RIVER MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT MR. RIVER WINDLEY? YES.
UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, UH, IS LOCATED IN PART OF THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT ADJACENT TO THE MARRIOTT HOTEL OFF SHADOWS, DRIVE AND HOSPITALITY DRIVE.
THE APPLICANT PLANS TO DEVELOP A HOTEL MOTEL BY RIGHT USE IN THE, UH, AS IDENTIFIED IN CODE SECTION 180 13 G.
UM, IT RE IT'S REQUIRED THAT ANY STRUCTURE ABOVE THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 40 FEET THAT IS ALLOWED IN A COMMERCIAL UH, ZONING DISTRICT MUST HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
THE PROPER PROPOSED HOTEL MOTEL IS DESIGNED TO BE 53 FEET AND THE A APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR AN ADDITIONAL TWO FEET AS A BUFFER FOR THE TOTAL HEIGHT OF 55 FEET.
A CONCEPT PLAN HAS BEEN SUBMITTED, UH, WITH SOME, UH, VISUAL ELEVATIONS AS WE SEE HERE UP ON THE SCREEN.
UM, THESE HAVE ALSO BEEN INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKETS.
PROPERTY HAS BEEN ZONED COMMERCIAL AND IS MOSTLY CURRENTLY FIELDS.
INCLUDES A SUBDIVISION GATEWAY TO THE BLUE RIDGE SHADOW SUBDIVISION AND IT DOES MEET THE, UH, REQUIREMENTS AND, UH, FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
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UH, THAT A GOAL IS TO DIRECT FUTURE GROWTH INTO EFFICIENT AND CIRCLE SO FORM, WHICH WILL PRESERVE THE COUNTY'S PREDOMINANT RURAL CHARACTER.UM, AND THEN SOME OF THE OBJECTIVES, UH, ARE ALSO BEING MET, UM, WHICH HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.
AND WE HAVE RECEIVED ALL COMMENTS FROM THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, UH, VDOT, UH, BUILDING INSPECTIONS, UH, BUILDING INSPECTIONS.
ALSO SUBMITTED COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF FIRE AND RESCUE.
AND, UH, TOWN PUBLIC WORKS IS WOULD BE SERVED BY, UH, PUBLIC SEWER WATER.
UM, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
UH, NUMBER ONE, THE HOTEL SHALL NOT EXCEED 55 FEET IN HEIGHT.
NUMBER TWO, THE EXTERIOR FACADE OF THE HOTEL SHALL INCLUDE STONE OR FAUX STONE FACADE ACCENTS.
NUMBER THREE, UH, ARCHITECTURAL RENDERINGS OF THE HOTEL MUST BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION DURING THE FINAL SITE PLAN, APPROVAL PROCESS AND APPROVED BY PLANNING COMMISSION FOR COMPLIANCE WITH COUNTY ORDINANCES.
NUMBER FOUR, ALL MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT SHALL BE SHIELDED AND SCREENED FROM PUBLIC VIEW AND DESIGNED TO BE PERCEIVED AS AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE BUILDING.
NUMBER FIVE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS, AND WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, APPLICABLE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.
AND NUMBER SIX, DUMPSTER COLLECTION, UH, TRASH COLLECTION AREA SHALL BE SCREENED FROM VIEW AS REQUIRED BY ZONING ORDINANCE WITH MATERIALS COHESIVE WITH THE BUILDING.
AND LASTLY, NUMBER SEVEN, ALL CORRIDORS USED TO ACCESS HOTEL ROOMS SHALL BE INTERIOR TO THE HOTEL BUILDING.
UM, THAT IS SEEN, SEEN, UH, WITHIN THE ELEVATION, UH, IMAGE THAT WE HAVE THERE.
AND THIS WAS ALSO A CONDITION INCLUDED IN THE PREVIOUS, UH, BUYRIGHT HOTEL THAT WAS APPROVED LAST MONTH.
UM, THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.
ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED.
I BELIEVE A REPRESENTATIVE BENONI IS HERE THIS EVENING.
AND I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
IS THERE ANYTHING TO ADD? JUST WALKING FORWARD TO SAY NO, THAT, THAT WAS THOROUGH AND I HAVE NOTHING TO ADD, BUT I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
WITH THAT PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN.
ANYONE SIGNED TO SPEAK? ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK? PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
UM, DO WE, HOW TALL IS THE DOUBLE TREE THAT'S THERE? 55 FEET? YEAH, I THINK WE, BUT IT SITS, BUT IT SITS LOWER GROUND.
YOU TALKING ABOUT IT'S A GOOD 20 FEET TOPOGRAPHY.
IT'S SITTING ALMOST MORE THAN 20 FEET BELOW.
SO LIKE YEAH, IT WAS OFF THE ROAD.
IT IS ON DOWNHILL SLOPE THERE.
YEAH, BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO BUILD THAT UP OR THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DIG IT.
I THOUGHT IT WAS ABOUT 48 FEET FROM LIKE THE, THE FRONT WHERE, WHERE YOU WOULD MEASURE IN THE FRONT UP TO THE, THE TOP FROM THE FRONT, AT THE FRONT OF IT AREA, ABOUT 48 FEET.
ON THE BACKSIDE, IT'S TWO STORIES TALLER BECAUSE OF THE, THAT'S WHERE THE LADDER TRUCK WAS REQUIRED BECAUSE THE BACKSIDE OF THE HOTEL.
AND THAT LOT DOES IT, IS IT IS LOWER THAN THIS PARTICULAR LOT.
SO THIS LOT DOES SIT UP A BIT MORE.
I MEAN, THERE'LL BE SOME GRADING OBVIOUSLY INVOLVED, BUT, BUT, UH, IT'S NOT, YEAH, IT'S NOT LEVEL GROUND EITHER.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF ONE REASON WHY THEY WANTED TO KIND OF JUST GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF A, UH, WE'LL CALL IT A FUDGE FACTOR F THAT EXTRA FUDGE FACTOR EXTRA COUPLE FEET IN CASE THEY DID EXCEED THAT FOR WHATEVER REASON.
SO THE DOUBLE FREE OBVIOUSLY WAS GRANTED CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR HEIGHT? I, I BELIEVE SO.
I BELIEVE THAT 40 WENT THROUGH.
AND THEN, UH, AND THEN THE MARRIOTT ALSO.
SO YEAH, WELL THAT'S, THAT'S NOW HILTON DOUBLETREE.
AND THIS IS THE, AND THEN THE OTHER ONE DOWN OFF, UH, COUNTRY CLUB ROAD, THAT'S THE, UH, MARRIOTT.
SO THAT WAS GRANTED ONE AND THEN HEARINGS CLOSER.
SO, AND THEN, AND THEN AGAIN THE PREVIOUS ONE THAT WE JUST HAD COME THROUGH OFF, UH, CAROLINE COURT AND COUNTRY CLUB WITH MM-HMM.
SO THIS IS GONNA BE CLOSE TO THE ROAD THOUGH.
YEAH, I MEAN THAT, THAT'S MY CONCERN IS THIS SITS A LOT CLOSER.
YOU KNOW, I, I WAS DRIVING DOWN THIS ROAD TO GET HERE TODAY AND, AND JUST THINKING ABOUT A 55 FOOT HOTEL, UH, IT, IT
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FEELS VERY CLOSE.THERE, THERE IS A POTENTIAL, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF THIS WOULD BENEFIT IT TO SOFTEN SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE EDGES OF THE BUILDING ITSELF IS POTENTIAL MAYBE TO HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING IN THE FRONT, UM, UH, HEDGES AND, AND MAYBE YOU WANTED AN ADDITIONAL AMOUNT OF, OF TREES OR, OR, UH, EVERGREEN TREES JUST TO KIND OF PROVIDE SOME SORT OF, A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A BUFFER AND SOFTEN THE LOOK OF THE THE STRUCTURE.
BECAUSE THE DOUBLE TREE WILL TELL YOU, YOU, THE ONLY ONES THEY PUT IN THE ROOMS THAT OVERLOOK 5 22 ARE THE DRUNKS FROM HOGANS
UM, SO, SO I WILL REMIND YOU THOUGH THAT
IF THIS WAS APPROVED, UH, WE WOULD, YOU WOULD STILL HAVE, UH, WE'D HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO REVIEW THOSE, THE SITE PLAN AND, UM, IF THERE'S A POTENTIAL, IF YOU WANTED TO SEE THAT COME BACK TO THE PLAN COMMISSION MEAN TYPICALLY THINGS THAT ARE APPROVED BY A CUP, BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AREN'T REQUIRED TO COME BACK.
UM, I THINK COULD WE HAVE THAT OPTION AS A CONDITION IF THEY NEEDED TO, IF THEY FELT THEY NEEDED TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT? WE COULD, BUT JUST A REMINDER THAT IN GENERAL, THE SITE PLAN REVIEW IS TO CONFIRM REQUIREMENTS THAT CONFORMITY OF THE PLAN WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ORDINANCE.
SO IT ISN'T AN, IT ISN'T, UH, ALTHOUGH, ALTHOUGH YOU CAN HAVE THAT COME BACK BEFORE YOU, IT ISN'T AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE DISCRETION TO DENY THINGS THAT COMPLY WITH THE ORDINANCE.
HAS, HAS VA SEEN THIS HAVE, VDOT HAS AND VDOT HAS NO ISSUES WITH IT? UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE COMING IN DIRECTLY OFF, UH, 5 22, THEY'LL BE USING OH NO, I MEAN, AS FAR AS THEY'RE PLAN TO WIDEN SIX LANE 5 22.
YEAH, THEY, THEY HAVE NO, THEY HAD NO ISSUES WITH IT.
YEAH, BUT YOU, YOUR TURN LANE AND I HAD QUESTIONED, UM, THAT IMMEDIATE, UH, RIGHT TURN IN ENTRANCE ONTO THE PROPERTY WHEN THE, IN THAT THEY INITIALLY SUBMITTED AND, UH, IT WAS MODIFIED THAT WAS CHANGED ON THE CONCEPT PLAN.
BUT EVEN AFTER THAT, VDOT SAID, UM, THEY DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH A RIGHT TURN IN, THEY WOULDN'T OBVIOUSLY WANT, UM, IT COMING OUT.
BUT THERE, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S A POTENTIAL THAT THEY COULD GET THE RIGHT TURN IN RIGHT OFF SHADOWS AND OFF OF, UH, UH, HOSPITALITY DRIVES.
SO THEY'D HAVE TWO BASICALLY AN ENTRANCE AND AN EXIT ON HOSPITALITY DRIVE.
SO, AND I GUESS THE THING IS TOO, WE LOOK AT, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UM, WHEREVER THEY PLACE THE, THE DUMPSTER, THAT WOULD GIVE THEM ADEQUATE, UH, ROOM TO BE ABLE TO SERVICE THAT DUMPSTER, YOU KNOW, ON THE SITE.
SO, UM, I DON'T IF THE ENGINEER WANTS TO ADDRESS ANY OF THAT OR WHATEVER
WE PROBABLY TAKE IT DOWN TO THE DOUBLE TREE
SO, UH, NO, WE WOULD NOT DO THAT.
UM, SO YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE ACCUSTOMED TO PROVIDING THE SCREENING AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.
I HEARD THAT IT WOULD NEED TO BE MATERIALS THAT WOULD MATCH THE FACADE OF THE BUILDING, WHICH IS FINE.
THAT'S, WE DO THAT AS A MATTER OF ROUTINE.
UM, AND OBVIOUSLY THE, ONE OF THE THINGS WE LOOK AT IS THE, THE ABILITY FOR THE TRUCK TO GET IT AND SERVICE THE DUMPSTER AND THEN LEAVE WITHOUT DIFFICULTY.
SO, UH, I A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, IF, IF YOU WERE NOT ABLE TO GET THE HEIGHT, UH, IT LOOKED LIKE FROM THE RENDERINGS IT WAS, UM, ENVISIONED AS A FOUR STORY BUILDING, HOW DID, WHAT WOULD IT CHANGE IN TERMS OF IT'S, IT'S REPRESENTING 91 ROOMS. IF IT LOST A STORY, IT WOULD LOSE, UH, 25, 24, IT WOULD LOSE 24 ROOMS. UM, AND THE REVENUES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
AND IT IS, UM, I KNOW THAT WAS THE QUESTION.
IT DOES SIT LOWER THAN 5 22 BY BETWEEN FIVE AND SEVEN FEET.
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SO MUCH OF THAT WOULD, WOULD GO AWAY.AND I THINK THAT THE, THE DOUBLE TREE IS FIVE STORIES.
THERE'S A, UM, YEAH, IT, IT IS, IT'S FIVE OR SIX, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S HARD TO SEE FROM THE STREET VIEW KIND.
WELL, FROM MY, I SEE ONLY THE TOP FLOOR
JUST THINK, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE ROOFTOPS MIGHT NOT BE THAT FAR OFF.
THE, THE, THE ONLY COMMENT I HAD ABOUT THE ROOF, YOU HAVE A METAL ROOF OR A DECORATIVE ROOF ON THE, ON THE HI ROOF AND YOU PUT A FLAT ROOF HERE, SO IT'S GONNA LOOK MORE INDUSTRIAL.
HAVE YOU, AND THAT'S GONNA AFFECT THE, THE HEIGHT AS WELL.
AND I REALIZE THAT, BUT SOME TYPE OF, UH, FAC SOLDER WHERE YOU'RE KIND OF CREATING SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE A, UH, A PITCHED ROOF TO SOFTEN IT A LITTLE BIT.
I'M CERTAIN THAT THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE.
AND THAT'S A, AN ARCHITECTURE THING IS A MORE ART TO THAT.
THAN THE ENGINEERS ARE TYPICALLY
BUT, UM, I'M CERTAIN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE ACCOMMODATED.
I I WOULD LET THEM WRESTLE WITH THAT DEMON, BUT, UM, IT WOULD CERTAINLY WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD, UM, PUT IN PLACE IF IT WAS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GO AND NO GO.
AND MATT DOES THE, SO MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT AND SCREENING FOR THE BUILDING HEIGHT.
I THINK IT'S INCLUDED IN THAT.
I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF AGAIN, WHY WE, WHY WE DID THAT.
'CAUSE YOU'RE PROBABLY DOING ROOFTOP UNITS, CORRECT? WE DO.
WHAT, WHAT CAN BE DONE, UM, IS THERE, THE ROOFS CAN BE BUILT UP TO A POINT WITH THE CAVITY, RIGHT? UH, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE AT THE EAVE, BUT ACTUALLY BEHIND IT THERE'S A CAVITY.
SO INSIDE OF THAT IS WHERE THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT WOULD SIT.
AND THEN, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, I GUESS THE HEIGHT MEASUREMENT WOULD BE UP TO THE, TO THE MIDPOINT, UH, BETWEEN THE EAVE AND THE RIDGE, SUCH AS IT SHOWS.
SO FROM THERE DOWN IS WHERE THE, THE HEIGHT MEASUREMENT WOULD BE TAKEN AS, AS THIS STANDS, IT'S JUST MEASURED TO THE TOP OF THE PARAPET.
SO YOU HAVE SPACE BELOW THAT, SO YOUR ACTUAL ROOF LINE'S BELOW THE IT WOULD BET, YES.
YEAH, THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE THE, THE MEASURES TO SCREEN.
IF IT'S A FLAT ROOF, THE MEASURES TO SCREEN, UM, ANY OF THE, UH, ROOF MOUNTED, UH, EQUIPMENT.
THAT'S WHERE YOU GET THE TWO FEET, THE TWO EXTRA FEET
ANYBODY GOT ANYTHING ELSE? NO.
YOU READY FOR A MOTION THEN? I, I GUESS I, I'M TORN BECAUSE I, I FEEL LIKE IT IS SO CLOSE TO THE DOUBLE TREE AND THE DOUBLE TREE IS HIGHER THAN THE 40 FEET, BUT IT IS A LOT CLOSER TO THE ROAD.
AND THE DOUBLE TREE HAS HULA HANDS SITTING BETWEEN IT AND THE ROAD.
WELL, IT'S INCORPORATED INTO THE, WELL I, BUT THE, BUT THE ROOF LINE IS MUCH LOWER.
BUT IF THE DOUBLE TREE HAS ONE EXTRA FLOOR, THEN THAT'S GOING TO MAKE IT ABOUT 12 FEET HOUR OR SO, THEN THIS WOULD BE, AND YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S, IT'S SUBSTANTIALLY DOWN.
AND, AND IT'S ALSO TURNED, IT DOESN'T, IT PRESENTS THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING TO THE ROAD.
THIS IS THIS, I'LL, I'LL JUST MENTION THAT IN THE CONCEPT PLAN, THEY DO SHOW THE SETBACKS.
IT DOES MEET THE REQUIRE SETBACKS FOR THE OVERLAY DISTRICT.
SO THAT'S THE PRIMARY THING THAT WE'D BE LOOKING AT FOR BOTH YOUR PARKING AND FOR YOUR, UM, FOR THE BUILDING SETBACK.
SO THEY SHOW THAT IT CAN MEET THAT BEING A RESIDENT IN BLUE RIDGE AND BEING, WHEN I'M NOT INJURED A GOLFER ON THE COURSE, YEAH.
IT WILL BLOCK A LITTLE BIT OF THE VIEW OF, UH, BLUE MOUNTAIN LINDON.
WELL, I GUESS MY CONCERN IS NOT SO MUCH WITH THIS ONE, BUT IT'S, IF, IF WE END UP WITH A LINE OF 55 FOOT HOTELS DOWN 5 22, I MEAN, IT, IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT WOULD CHANGE THE, THE FEEL OF THAT ROAD A LOT.
AND BEING SO CLOSE TO THE ROAD.
BUT, UM, IT'S, SO THAT'S MY CONCERN, BUT I THINK I WILL PROBABLY VOTE IN FOR IT BECAUSE IT IS SITTING NEXT TO DOUBLE TREE, UM, AND IT'S ALREADY TALLER.
AND IT COMES, IT'S COMES UP THAT WE HAVE A SLEW OF THESE.
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OKAY.READY FOR THE MOTION? READY? YES.
I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST BY
FOR A HOTEL IN EXCESS OF 40 FEET IN THE COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT WITH THE CONDITIONS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND I'LL THOSE THE FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
HAVE IT AND IT'LL BE FORWARDED ONTO THE BOARD.
[VII.D. CUP2024-04-04 – William Johnson - A request for a conditional use permit for a Short-Term Tourist Rental. The property is located at 381 Thompson Hollow Road and identified on tax map 42B, section 3, as lot 2. The property is zoned Residential-One (R-1) and located in the Thompson Hollow Acres subdivision in the South River Magisterial District. - Kelly Wahl , Planner]
CUP 20 24 0 4 0 4, WILLIAM JOHNSON, REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 3 81 THOMPSON HOLLOW ROAD IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 42 B SECTION THREE HAS LOT TWO.THE PROPERTY IS ZONED R ONE RESIDENTIAL LOCATED IN THOMPSON HOLLOW ACRES SUBDIVISION IN THE SOUTH RIVER OF MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT MS. WALL.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM TAURUS RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY HE PURCHASED IN AUGUST OF 2023.
THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR SHORT-TERM LODGING FOR VISITORS SEEKING TO EXPERIENCE WARREN COUNTY.
UM, IT WILL BE, UH, MANAGED BY A LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGER WHO WILL OVERSEE MAINTENANCE CLEANING AND THE BOOKING OF RENTAL REQUEST.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE THOMPSON HOLLOW ACRE SUBDIVISION AND IS ZONED R ONE.
THERE IS CURRENTLY ONE ACTIVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UH, FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL IN THE THOMPSON HOLLOW ACRE SUBDIVISION.
IT IS APPROXIMATELY THREE DOORS DOWN AT 6 71 THOMPSON HOLLOW ROAD.
UM, WE RECEIVED, WE, WE RECEIVED SOME LATE COMMENTS FROM, UM, A NEIGHBOR VIA EMAIL THIS MORNING.
YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN PROVIDED A COPY OF THEIR CONCERNS.
UM, THERE IS THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT APPROVING A MAXIMUM OF FOUR OCCUPANTS FOR THE THREE BEDROOM DWELLING.
THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN HAS BEEN PROVIDED AND REVIEWED BY PLANNING STAFF.
THE PROPERTY MANAGER LIVES WITHIN THE REQUIRED 30 MILE DISTANCE FROM THE PROPERTY.
AND THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS NOT LOCATED WITHIN A SUBDIVISION GOVERNED BY AN HOA OR A POA.
UH, THE DWELLING MEETS THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT TO ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS.
THE CLOSEST DWELLING IS 112 FEET TO THE SOUTH.
UM, MOVING ON TO THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS, PLANNING STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS BE ADDED TO THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION CHOOSES TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS PERMIT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.
NUMBER TWO, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED THE SYSTEM CAPACITY AS DETERMINED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT FOR WARREN COUNTY SECTION 180 DASH 56.4.
THE CERTIFICATE OF ZONING SHALL ONLY BE ISSUED WITH APPROVED HEALTH DEPARTMENT RECORDS.
NUMBER THREE, THE APPLICANT SHOULD HAVE, SHALL HAVE THE WELL WATER TESTED ANNUALLY FOR E COLI AND COLIFORM BACTERIA, AND A COPY OF THE RESULTS SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING AND HEALTH DEPARTMENTS.
AND FINALLY, NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM SERVICED EVERY FIVE YEARS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, AND A COPY OF THE SERVICE INVOICE SHALL BE PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
UH, THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED, ADVERTISED ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE.
UM, AND I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
IF THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN, YOU WANNA SIGN UP, PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
SEEMS LIKE IF THE PERSON WHO RODE IN'S CONCERN IS JUST ESSENTIALLY SAFETY.
I'LL JUST MENTION, UH, AGAIN, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE RECOMMENDED FOR FOLKS WHO LIVE ON ROADS WHERE THERE'S NOT REALLY GOOD LIGHTING IS MAYBE PUT, UH, SOLAR LAMP OR ON THEIR MM-HMM.
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YEAH.YOU KNOW, SO THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT THEY COULD JUST SOLAR, WE COULD RECOMMEND AS, AS PART OF THE, UH, APPROVAL.
YOU KNOW, I JUST, I WENT AWAY ON A TRIP AND I STAYED AT A AIRBNB AND IT WAS KIND OF HARD TO SEE, UM, THE DRIVEWAY FROM WHERE I WAS ACTUALLY GOING, BUT THEY TOOK A PICTURE OF THEIR ENTRYWAY AND THEY HAD IT ON THEIR AD.
UM, WHICH WAS HELPFUL FOR ME BECAUSE I WAS KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE.
SO AS SOON AS I SAW SOMETHING THAT WAS ABLE, I WAS ABLE TO RECOGNIZE IT HELPED.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING, IF THIS NEIGHBOR IS EXPERIENCING UNWANTED VEHICLES KIND OF COMING UP, THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD SUGGESTION, UM, TO THEM.
SO SIR, SIR, SIR, YOU NEED TO COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
I, I'M SORRY, BUT THAT'S LEGAL STUFF.
LOOK, THE, THE PROBLEM IN THE DRIVEWAY SO MUCH IS THE GPS WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT ACTUALLY HAS BRUSH MOUNTAIN ROAD CONTINUING INTO MY DRIVEWAY AND GOING STRAIGHT UP INTO CURB THE HOUSE BEHIND ME ON PATROL RIDGE.
SO THAT'S WHERE GPS GETS CONFUSED AND IT SENDS PEOPLE UP THAT THE WIFE PUT THAT ONE UP IN THERE.
NOT SO MUCH MY CONCERN, MY CONCERN IS 112 FEET FROM MY HOUSE.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE AIR, AIRBNB, GUS COMING IN, THEY'RE GOING TO NOT BE RESPECTFUL OF THE AREA.
WHO'S COMING IN? WHO'S COMING OUT? NO IDEA.
I HAVE A DIFFERENT NEIGHBOR EVERY WEEKEND.
IS THAT GONNA HAPPEN? I GUESS, I DON'T KNOW.
BEFORE WE LEAVE, WE NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS, BUT OUR MINIMUM SETBACK IS A HUNDRED, THIS IS 112.
SO IT FALLS WITHIN THAT RANGE.
IS THAT THE PROPERTY LINE OR SET BACK FROM THE HOUSE? TOP HOUSE.
THIS WAS, UH, ALSO JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT, UM, THE COUNTY DOES NOW HAVE A NEW ONLINE COMPLAINT FORM.
UH, SO IF THERE EVER WERE ANY ISSUES, UM, YOU CAN FILL THAT OUT AND IT GOES STRAIGHT TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
UM, THERE'S ALWAYS THE OPTION TO REVOKE A CONDITION EXPERIMENT, A SLOW RESPONSE PROCESS, SLOW PROCESS.
WELL, YOU'RE TALKING TO SOMEONE THAT CAN TAKE CARE OF THAT.
I'LL MAKE SURE
BUT THIS IS, BUT THIS IS CONDITIONAL.
YOUR, YOUR HOUSE, THE TREE LINE.
THIS IS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND IF THEY VIOLATE ANY OF THE CONDITIONS, IT CAN BE PULLED.
THAT'S WHERE THE COMPLAINTS COME IN.
WE, WE DO TRACK THOSE AND WE WOULD ADDRESS THOSE IMMEDIATELY WITH A PROPERTY OWNER AND THE APPLICANT.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT CHANGES HOW THAT IS NOT, I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO AN ARGUMENT WITH YOU, BUT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT ONE THING OF WHAT ARE YOUR OPTIONS, THIS OWNER'S OPTIONS.
HE HAS LONG TERM, AND IF YOU HAVE A BAD NEIGHBOR ON A SHORT TERM, THEY'RE GONE LIKE OVER THE WEEKEND, YOU GET A BAD NEIGHBOR ON A LONG TERM, YOU'RE STUCK.
BUT ONE BAD NEIGHBOR, AND THIS IS, AND SIR, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
I'M JUST STATING THAT JUST FOR OPTIONS.
WHO'S REPRESENTING, UH, WHAT'S THEIR, THE AGENCY, DID THEY HAVE THAT STATED YET? DID YOU ASKING ABOUT THE PROPERTY MANAGER? YEAH, SORRY.
UH, THE PROPERTY MANAGER IS, UM, UH, I GUESS HE'S A FAMILY FRIEND.
HE LIVES, UM, WITHIN THE AREA.
HE LIVES IN WARREN COUNTY, SO HE'S CLOSE BY.
THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF TREES BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES.
AND IF YOU ZOOM IN ON THAT, THERE'S YEAH.
THE BACK BACKYARD, THERE'S ONLY A COUPLE TREES, SO THERE'S NOT MUCH OF A BUFFER THERE.
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YEAH.SO IF THE OWNER WOULD PLANT SOME, LIKE A WHITE PINE OR SOMETHING, THAT'S A FAST GROWING TREE.
BUT I KNOW HIS POINT THERE WOULD BE, IT TAKES A WHILE FOR A TREE TO GROW UP.
AND, AND, UH, SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATION IS A REQUIREMENT THAT YOU HAVE TO PROPERLY MARK YOUR BOUNDARIES OF YOUR PROPERTY.
UM, AND THAT'S TYPICALLY ALSO MENTIONED WITHIN YOUR PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT, UH, TRESPASSING WILL BE, YOU KNOW, NOT ALLOWED.
UM, SO IN A CASE LIKE THIS, BECAUSE OF HOW THE NEIGHBOR FEELS, WE WOULD MAKE SURE THAT FOR SURE THAT THAT WAS MET IF IT DOES GET, OKAY.
UH, MR. CHAIR, I MOVE THAT THE PLAN OF COMMISSION FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST OF WILLIAM JOHNSON FOR SHORT TERM TOWARDS RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS IS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT AND SERVE PARISH AS A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
THEY WILL TAKE IT OUT AND HAVE THE ULTIMATE FINAL SAY.
IT'LL BE, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL BE ADVERTISED FOR, YOU'LL, YOU'LL GET, YOU'LL GET ANOTHER LETTER.
[VII.E. Z2024-04-01 – Campground – Michaun Pierre - A request to amend Chapter 180 of the Warren County Code to amend §180-8C to add definitions for Camping Unit and Tent, to modify the existing definitions of Commercial Campground and Commercial Camping, and to repeal the existing definitions of Unit Space, Vacation Camp, Day, and Vacation Camp, Overnight; to amend §180-21D to modify the listed Commercial Campground use and to repeal the listed Vacation Camp, Day/Overnight use in the Agricultural District Regulations; to amend §180-27D to modify the listed Commercial Campground use in the Commercial District Regulations; to amend §180-41 to modify the existing supplementary regulations for Commercial Campgrounds; and to amend §180-57 to repeal the existing supplementary regulations for Vacation Camp, Day or Overnight. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator]
HEARING.22 0 24 0 4 0 1 CAMPGROUND HAW PIERRE.
QUESTION TO AMEND CHAPTER 180 OF THE WARREN COUNTY CODE TO AMEND SUBSECTION 180 DASH EIGHT C TO ADD DEFINITIONS FOR CAMPING UNIT INTENT TO MODIFY THE EXISTING DEFINITIONS OF COMMERCIAL CAMPGROUND AND COMMERCIAL CAMPING.
AND TO REPEAL THE EXISTING DEFINITIONS OF UNIT SPACE VACATION CAMP DAY AND VACATION CAMP OVERNIGHT TO AMEND SUBSECTION 180 20 1D TO MODIFY THE EN LISTED COMMERCIAL CAMPGROUND USE AND TO REPEAL THE LISTED CAMPGROUND DAY OVERNIGHT USE IN AN AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT REGULATIONS TO AMEND SUBSECTION 180 H 27 D TO MODIFY THE LISTED COMMERCIAL CAMPGROUND USE IN THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT REGULATIONS TO AMEND SUBSECTION 180 DASH 41 TO MODIFY THE EXISTING SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS FOR COMMERCIAL CAMPGROUNDS AND TO AMEND SUBSECTION 180 DASH 57 TO REPEAL THE EXISTING SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS FOR VACATION CAMP DAY OR OVERNIGHT.
MR. LIN, PLEASE SORT THIS OUT.
I GENUINELY DON'T THINK I COULD HAVE SAID IT ANY BETTER.
UH, AMENDMENT IS BEING REQUESTED BY A PROPERTY OWNER WHO INTENDS TO APPLY FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A COMMERCIAL CAMPGROUND TO ESTABLISH A TENT ONLY CAMPGROUND WITH FEWER THAN 10 CAMPSITES ON THEIR PROPERTY.
THE CURRENT DEFINITION FOR COMMERCIAL CAMP RENTAL ONLY INCLUDES RECREATIONAL VEHICLE PARKS.
AND CERTAIN SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS ARE ARGUABLY MORE APPROPRIATE FOR A RECREATIONAL, UM, VEHICLE PARK.
THE CURRENT DEFINITION OF COMMERCIAL CAMP RENTAL ALSO REQUIRES A MINIMUM OF 10 CAMPING UNIT SPACES AND THE CURRENT DEFINITION OF COMMERCIAL CAMPING AND COMMERCIAL CAMPGROUNDS AND SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS FOR COMMERCIAL CAMPGROUNDS WERE ADOPTED TO THE ZONING ORDINANCES BACK IN 1996.
UH, AND THEY HAVEN'T CHANGED SINCE THAT DATE.
UH, THE EXISTING DEFINITION OF COMMERCIAL CAMPGROUND IS INCLUSIVE OF ALL CAMPGROUNDS, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER A FEE IS CHARGED FOR CAMPING.
SINCE THE USE DOES NOT DISTINGUISH BETWEEN COMMERCIAL AND NON-COMMERCIAL PLANNING STAFF IS PROPOSING THE TERMS COMMERCIAL CAMPGROUND AND COMMERCIAL CAMPING BE JAMES TO CAMPGROUND AND CAMPING RESPECTIVELY.
THE PROPOSED TEXT AMENDMENT AMENDS THE DEFINITIONS OF CAMPING AND CAMPGROUND TO LOWER THE CAMPING UNIT, MINIMUM TO FIVE TO INCLUDE TENT CAMPING UNITS AND TO ADD THE ABILITY OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO LIMIT OR DISALLOW RECREATIONAL VEHICLE CAMPING UNITS FROM A CAMPGROUND THROUGH THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PROCESS.
SO BY ADDING A CONDITION, UH, THE DRAFT ORDINANCE PROPOSES THE ADDITION OF CAMPING UNIT INTENT AS DEFINED TERMS WITH NEW, NEW DEFINITIONS.
THE PROPOSED TEXT AMENDMENT ALSO AMENDS THE CURRENT SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS FOR COMMERCIAL CAMPGROUNDS TO LOWER CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS FOR CAMPGROUNDS WITH 10 CAMPING UNITS ONLY.
UH, ALSO TO ADD NEW REQUIREMENTS AND TO REFORMAT CERTAIN, UH, REGULATIONS TO IMPROVE ORGANIZATION.
UM, IN REVIEWING THIS DRAFT ORDINANCE IN ZONING ORDINANCE AS A WHOLE, THE COUNTY ATTORNEY HELPED TO IDENTIFY THE EXISTING, UH, COMMERCIAL CAMPGROUND AND VACATION CAMP.
THEY WERE OVERNIGHT U USES AS A SOURCE OF OVERLAP.
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UH, THE VACATION CAMP USE WAS ADOPTED AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL ADOPTION OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE BACK IN 1992.UH, THEY, THEY'RE PERMITTED BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT.
AND TO THIS DATE, NO CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS HAVE BEEN APPLIED FOR NOR APPROVED FOR THE VACATION CAMP LAND USE SINCE THE ADOPTION OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
UH, FURTHERMORE THERE IS NOTHING INCLUDED IN THE EXISTING DEFINITIONS FOR VACATION CAMP THEY AND VACATION CAMP OVERNIGHT THAT WOULD NOT BE PERMISSIBLE UNDER THE CAMPGROUND USE.
UH, AND TO CLEAR UP THIS SOURCE OF OVERLAP PLANNING STAFF IS PROPOSING TO REPEAL THE DEFINITIONS, UM, THE LISTED USE IN THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT REGULATIONS AND THE SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS FOR A VACATION CAMP.
UM, SO I DID BREAK DOWN A BULLETED LIST OF EACH INDIVIDUAL CHANGE.
UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I'LL TAKE 'EM AS WE GO.
UM, BUT PLANNING STAFF HAS HAD INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS ABOUT POTENTIALLY UPDATING, UH, THE COMMERCIAL CAMPING AND COMMERCIAL CAMPGROUND DEFINITIONS AND SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS TO INCLUDE 10 CAMPING UNITS OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS.
SOMETHING MATT, UH, MR. PETTY AND I HAVE, HAVE DISCUSSED OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS OR SO.
UM, AND PLANNING STAFF HAS ALSO IDENTIFIED THERE IS A GAP IN THE DEFINITIONS FOR COMMERCIAL CAMPING AND CAMPGROUNDS FOR CAMPGROUNDS WITH FEWER THAN 10 CAMPING UNITS.
UH, AND AFTER RESEARCHING LOCAL ORDINANCES FROM SOME OF THE, UH, SURROUNDING JURISDICTIONS, UH, PLANNING STAFF FOUND THAT THE FIVE CAMPING UNIT MINIMUM IS PRETTY COMMON, UM, THRESHOLD FOR A CAMPGROUND.
UM, PLAYING S BELIEVES THIS PROPOSED TAX AMENDMENT EXPANDS THE CAMPGROUND USE TO COVER GAPS IN THE CURRENT ORDINANCE AND IMPROVES THE SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS FOR CAMPGROUNDS.
UM, SO I'LL JUST MENTION THAT.
UM, THIS WAS APPLIED FOR BY A PROPERTY OWNER WHO WILL EVENTUALLY APPLY FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, BUT, UH, WE KIND OF COMMANDEERED IT 'CAUSE WE HAD OUR OWN IDEAS FOR CAMPGROUND.
UM, SHE IS ON BOARD WITH ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS WE'VE COVERED.
UM, A LOT OF IT IS JUST KIND OF CLEANING IT UP AND SPECIFYING SOME OF THE FLEXIBILITY WITHIN THE, THE CAMPGROUNDS AND MAKING SURE WE HAVE A DEFINITION FOR EVERYTHING
UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.
THE, UH, OWNER OR APPLICANT IS NOT HERE THIS EVENING.
BUT I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE AS I WROTE IT.
WITH THAT, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN, AN ALMOST EMPTY ROOM.
ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST
THERE'S NO TIME LIMITS ANYWHERE IN THE, THE PROPOSED REGULATIONS ON A CAMPSITE.
SO YOU MEAN LIKE A SEASONAL MM-HMM.
SO LIKE A MAXIMUM NUMBER OF, UH, MAXIMUM NU NUMBER OF DAYS.
NATIONAL PARKS GOT THOSE STATE PARKS HAVE THEM.
THAT IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT PREVIOUSLY COVERED IN THE ORDINANCE AND HONESTLY I DIDN'T THINK OF THAT.
GENERALLY THE WAY WE'VE ENFORCED CAMPING IS UP TO SIX MONTHS OUT FOR, WELL, THAT'S A PERIOD OF TIME, BUT IS, BUT I'M THINKING YOU COULD END UP WITH A TENT CITY THERE, WHICH YOU DON'T WANT THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA LEAVE AFTER SIX MONTHS.
BECAUSE I KNOW IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA WHEN CONSTRUCTION IS BOOMING, YOU WOULD BASICALLY HAVE THAT AND HAVE TRAILER CITIES AND THEY ALL HAVE ORDINANCE THERE OF 30 DAYS AND YOU GOTTA MOVE.
NATIONAL PARKS ARE LIKE SEVEN OR 15 DAYS.
SO IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE CAN, UH, WORK IN THERE.
'CAUSE THESE, I DON'T FORESEE THE APPLICANT HAVING AN ISSUE WITH THAT.
I DON'T SEE THESE AS THE SAME AS THE LOTS THAT PEOPLE ARE BUYING IN THE FLOODPLAINS ALONGSIDE THE RIVER WHERE THEY CAN KEEP IT THERE FOR NINE MONTHS.
THIS IS, THIS IS A TRUE CAMPSITE WHERE I'M PITCHING A TENT AND I'M COOKING MY ROMAN NOODLES IN THE MORNING.
YEAH, BUT I
WHAT KIND OF TIMELINE DO YOU FEEL IS THE PLAINTIFF COMMISSION WOULD BE AN ADEQUATE TIMELINE FOR, UH, LAND USE? LIKE THIS 15 DAYS, 30 DAYS, SIX DAYS? I WOULD WOULD SAY 15 MAX.
I COULD TELL YOU, UM, THE LOW WATER BRIDGE CAMPGROUND HAS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
MIND YOU, IT WAS ISSUED IN THE EIGHTIES.
UM, BUT THEY HAD A 30 DAY TIME LIMIT THAT THEY ACTUALLY HAD REQUESTED A MODIFICATION FOR TO INCREASE THE TIMEFRAME, WHICH WAS APPROVED.
UM, SO THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A 90 DAY WINDOW.
AND THAT WAS FOR, THEY'RE A TRUE RECREATIONAL VEHICLE.
THAT WAS FOR LIKE WORKING NURSES.
THEY WERE, THEY HAD, UH, SOME WORKING NURSES THAT WANTED TO BE ABLE TO STAY THERE AND THEY HAD THEIR RVS.
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IS NOT CONTENT CANYON, THIS IS RVS.SO THAT, THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT IS.
AND WE HAVEN'T HAD A WHOLE LOT OF CAMPGROUNDS, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING WE'VE COVERED WITH THE CONDITION ON THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
A LOT OF IT IS SITE SPECIFIC BASED ON WHAT KIND OF, UH, SEWAGE DISPOSAL YOU CAN GET THERE.
THAT'S GONNA PUT A CONSTRAINT ON HOW MANY GUESTS YOU CAN HAVE AS WELL.
SOMETHING WE CAN COVER WITH A CONDITION ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS OR WE CAN WORK IN AN OVERALL GENERAL STANDARD.
'CAUSE REALLY WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE APPLICATION YET.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THE, THE CODE.
SO THAT 14 DAY LIMIT IS, IS WHAT YOU'RE, YOU WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH? YEAH.
SO I GUESS MY ONLY THOUGHT WITH THAT IS WITH CHANGING THIS, ARE WE GOING TO ALSO BE COVERING RV CAMPSITE? SO IF YOU, IF LIKE WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY WANTED TO COME DOWN FOR A SEASON AND PARK THEIR RV NOW THEY'D HAVE TO MOVE AROUND CAMPGROUNDS EVERY OR CAMP SITES AND JUST PULL OUTTA ONE AND INTO THE OTHER FOR, YOU KNOW, EVERY TWO WEEKS.
WELL, I THINK THEY ACTUALLY DO THAT AT NORTHFOLK.
NORTH FOR SHOULD IS LIKE 30 DAYS AT NORTH FOR YOU HAVE TO MOVE IT, YOU'VE GOTTA, BUT UM, I MEAN, AND IF YOU WANTED US TO DIFFERENTIATE IT BETWEEN TENT CAMPING, WHERE TENT CAMPING IS LIMITED TO A 15 DAY PERIOD AND THEN RECREATIONAL VEHICLES WOULD BE LIMITED TO A CONDITION OF THE PERMIT.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THAT WAY IT WOULD BE CONSISTENT AND STANDARD FOR, FOR THESE, THIS ONE, YOU KNOW, PARTICULAR USE.
I MEAN, 'CAUSE I, I SHARED THE, THE CONCERN THAT WE DON'T WANT YEAH.
YOU KNOW, RESIDENCY RESIDENCY, BUT, BUT ALSO I DON'T WANT TO EXCLUDE SOMEBODY FROM THE, THE ABILITY TO COME DOWN FOR THE SUMMER.
WELL, UM, WITH WHAT CHANCE HAD SAID EARLIER ABOUT HAVING THIS AS A CODE, AS A BROAD STROKE, AND THEN AS APPLICANTS APPLICANTS COME IN FOR THE CUP CONDITIONS GET ADDED TO IT BECAUSE IT IS STRICTLY CAMPING.
YOU, YOU COULD NOT HAVE A TIME PERIOD IN THE ORDINANCE.
WHICH WOULD, WHICH WOULD GIVE YOU A LOT MORE FLEXIBILITY AS STAFF.
WELL, AND THAT ALSO MIGHT TO BE, I MEAN, I'M JUST THINKING BECAUSE I'VE SEEN YURTS, UM, BECOMING A PRETTY POPULAR THING AND YURTS ARE MORE OF A KIND OF A SEMI-STRUCTURE.
I MEAN, IT'S A TENSE, BUT, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK MAYBE THE CASE BY CASE BASIS, I THINK THAT'S WHY IT'S THE CASE.
I I THINK I'M ALSO IN FAVOR OF NOT PUTTING THE TIME LIMIT IN HERE AND ADDRESSING IT AT THE CUP.
JUST, JUST THIS IS THE TIME TO CLARIFY THAT.
BECAUSE THEN, BECAUSE THEN WE ALSO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT FOR EACH, UM, TIME THAT IT WOULD COME UP, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THEIR INTENT? WHAT, WHAT KIND OF CAMPGROUND DO THEY WANT TO HAVE? AND, AND WE CAN EVALUATE, I MEAN, THE ONLY THING I CAN THINK OF IS ALSO MAYBE WE IDENTIFY THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE SHALL BE NO ESTABLISHMENT OF RE RESIDENCY FOR TENT CAMPING.
I POTENTIALLY WE COULD ADDRESS THAT.
WELL THE GUYS THAT BEHIND WALMART, THAT, THAT WOULD BE A CONCERN IF A PROPERTY OWNER, YOU KNOW, DECIDED, WELL, I, I CAN ALLOW YOU TO LIVE OUT THERE AND USE MY, YOU KNOW, FACILITIES AND MY BATH.
YOU KNOW, SO, UM, THAT WOULD BE APPLICABLE PRETTY MUCH ANYWHERE.
WE WOULD NOT WANT EVEN, UH, RECREATIONAL VEHICLES TO ESTABLISH, YOU KNOW, A RESIDENCY IN A, A CAMPGROUND FOR AN OUTSTANDING PERIOD.
I I I DON'T WANT TO ADD THAT REQUIREMENT TODAY.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE A BIGGER DISCUSSION.
I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT BETWEEN SOME OTHER CITIES HAVE, HAVE GONE TO AND, AND I DON'T, I'M NOT READY FOR US TO DO THAT WITHOUT A, A BIGGER CONVERSATION BEHIND IT.
HONOR, I'D LIKE THE THOUGHTS OF YOU GUYS EXAMINING THE SITUATION AND MAKING THE RECOMMENDATION AT THE TIME.
SO WITH THAT, IT WOULD BE JUST THE, THE APPROVAL THERE'S NO, WE'RE LEAVING IT AS RE AS IT, YEAH.
FIND THE PROPOSED ZONING ORDINANCE AND AMENDMENT IS APPROPRIATE FOR PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, AND GENERAL WELFARE AND GOOD ZONING PRACTICE.
I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE BOARD
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OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.AND I PARDON FOR INTERRUPTING, BUT I'M, I'M NOT SURE THAT WE ACTUALLY HAD A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS.
DID THE OPEN? YEAH, YEAH, WE DID.
REMEMBER I'M MAKING A COMMENT ABOUT A SPARSE ROOM.
SORRY TO BE PUTTING YOU ASLEEP.
IS THERE A SECOND? THERE'S A SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
OPPOSED AYES HAVE IT OR BEYOND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, OUR LAST PUBLIC HEARING.
[VII.F. Z2024-04-02 – Zoning District Regulations – Warren County Planning Staff - A request to amend Chapter 180 of the Warren County Code to amend §180-21 to make Public Schools permissible only by Conditional Use Permit in the Agricultural (A) District, to amend §180-25 to make Store/Dwelling Combination and Library permissible only by Conditional Use Permit in the Village Residential (VR) District, to amend §180-26 to add Church as a use permissible only by Conditional Use Permit in the Suburban Residential (SR) District, and to amend §180-28 to add Church as a use permitted by right in the Industrial (I) District. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator]
22 0 24 0 4 0 2 ZONING DISTRICT REGULATIONS, WARREN COUNTY PLANNING STAFF REQUEST TO AMEND CHAPTER 180 OF WARREN COUNTY CODE TO AMEND SUBSECTION 180 DASH 21 TO MAKE PUBLIC SCHOOLS PERMISSIBLE ONLY BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT TO AMEND SUBSECTION 180 DASH 25 TO MAKE STORE DWELLING COMBINATIONS AND LIBRARIES PERMISS PERMISSIBLE ONLY BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN THE VILLAGE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT TO AMEND SUBSECTION 180 26 TO ADD CHURCH AS A USE PERMISSIBLE ONLY BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN THE SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT AND THE MEN'S SUBSECTION 180 DASH 28 TO ADD CHURCH AS A USE PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.EQUALLY BEAUTIFUL JOB ON READING THAT OUT
UM, YEAH, I WON'T RE UH, SAY WHAT YOU JUST SAID, BUT, UH, THE ZONING TAX AMENDMENT WAS INITIATED BY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AFTER REVIEW OF THE CURRENT DISTRICT REGULATIONS UNDER THE WARREN COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED AND I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
I THINK THIS MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
UM, WE HAVE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND IT IS NOW OPEN.
ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK? PUBLIC HEARING'S CLOSED.
YEAH, I THINK THIS MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
UM, PRIVATE SCHOOLS ARE CONDITIONAL USE IN THE AG.
UM, I THINK IT, IT ONLY MAKES SENSE THAT A PUBLIC SCHOOL SHOULD BE AS WELL.
AND I MEAN, RIGHT NOW THE SCHOOL BOARDS ALWAYS HAD ALL THE SCHOOL SYSTEMS WITHIN THE TOWN, BUT AS THE COUNTY GROWS AND ALL THAT, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH LONGER THAT'LL BE POSSIBLE.
LESS AND LESS LAND AVAILABLE INSIDE THE TOWN ALL THE WAY IT COULD HAPPEN.
IS THE TOWN ANNEX MORE LAND THAN BUILD A SCHOOL?
HE WASN'T GOT ANY, ANYTHING FURTHER.
UH, MR. CHAIR FINDING THAT THE PROPOSED ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, AND GENERAL WA WELFARE AND IS GOOD ZONING PRACTICE.
I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OPPOSED AYES HAVE IT TO BE PASSED ON TO THE BOARD.
WE ARE THROUGH PUBLIC HEARINGS TONIGHT.
[VIII. Consent Agenda]
AGENDA.MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE CONSENT AND AGENDA AS PRESENTED.
CONSENT AGENDAS APPROVED COMMISSION MATTERS.
[IX. Commission Matters]
PLANNING DIRECTOR 2024.COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UPCOMING WORK SESSION.
THE O PROJECT SMART SCALE GRANT AND PLANNING RELATED ITEMS. ALRIGHT, WELL, I JUST WANT TO THANK, UH, BOTH KELLY AND ALLISON FOR THE HARD WORK THEY'VE BEEN DOING ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND REALLY MAKING SOME HEADWAY INTO THAT WITH, UH, UH, THE REFORMATTING OF IT AND THE, UH, YOU KNOW, GETTING THE DATA TOGETHER.
UM, JUST, YOU KNOW, LOOKING OVER THE TEXT AND ASSISTING ME WITH, WITH, UH, SOME OF THOSE MATTERS.
UM, WE HOPE THAT NEXT MONTH, IF EVERYONE IS HERE, WE CAN DO, WE'LL FINISH FOUR AND MAYBE WE'LL HOP INTO SIX, UH, WHICH IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
WE'D LIKE TO ALSO, IF WE GET THE OTHERS DONE, MAYBE JUST FORWARD THOSE TO YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT.
IT MIGHT BE EASIER JUST, YOU KNOW, AS YOU HAVE TIME TO JUST KIND OF REVIEW IT PIECEMEAL AND THEN JUST PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO ALLISON AND KELLY AND WE WILL, UH, YOU KNOW, WE WILL MAKE THOSE CHANGES AS NECESSARY OR, OR INCORPORATE THEM IN, YOU KNOW, HOW WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
UM, KIND OF, I KNOW EVERYBODY'S, I HEARD TWO OF YOU ARE GOING ON VACATION IN JULY, UM, SO I DON'T KNOW.
WE'LL SEE ABOUT DOING A WORK SESSION.
I'D LIKE TO DO A WORK SESSION, BUT, YOU KNOW,
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UH, WE COULD JUST DO THAT AND THEN JUST GIVE, GET YOUR FEEDBACK AT A LATER DATE.UM, HOPING IT'D BE NICE TO MAYBE HAVE IT READY BY AUGUST.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE WILL, BUT I, WE'VE BEEN MAKING THAT GOOD OF PROGRESS THAT I THINK WE MIGHT BE AT THAT POINT WHERE WE CAN, UH, TO AT LEAST DO A PUBLIC HEARING AND, UH, HEAR WHAT THE PUBLIC HAS TO SAY ABOUT IT.
UM, AS FOR VDOT, UH, I'VE SUBMITTED, UH, WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF VDOT, UH, FIVE, UH, PROJECTS FOR SMART SCALE.
ONE BEING A, A PROJECT THAT HAD BEEN PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED FOR THE INTERSECTION AT, UH, IN WATER LAKE OF ROUTE 55 AND FORT VALLEY, OR FORT ROAD, I GUESS IT IS, IN, IN BUCKS, UH, MILL ROAD.
SO THAT INTERSECTION NEEDS SOME IMPROVEMENTS.
AND SO WE SUBMITTED THAT AND THEN AS PART OF THE STARS, UH, STUDY FROM GAR HILL ROAD UP TO COUNTRY CLUB ROAD AND CROOKED RUN PLAZA, UM, WE ACTUALLY IDENTIFIED FIVE SEPARATE PROJECTS THAT WE COULD SUBMIT, UH, FOR THE SMART SCALE FOR THAT.
UM, SO THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING REVIEWED.
THOSE ARE BEING REVIEWED BY VDOT AND THEY'LL, THEY'LL GET BACK TO ME ON WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP.
AGAIN, THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT MAY NOT COME TO FRUITION OR EVEN FUNDING FOR ANOTHER SIX TO EIGHT YEARS, UM, FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD.
SO, BUT WE'VE GOT IT OUT THERE.
UM, IT'S A STEP FORWARD AND UM, SO THAT'S A BIG THING.
UM, AND OTHER THAN THAT, RIGHT NOW, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WILL BE LOOKING AT SOME OF THE, I THINK SOME OF THE SITE PLANS FOR PROJECTS THAT'LL BE MOVING FORWARD AND, AND WE'LL BE MEETING WITH, UH, THEIR ENGINEERS TO DO THAT.
SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE RIGHT NOW.
WILL YOU GOT ANYTHING? NOTHING FOR ME, SCOTT, I FORGOT.
ALL OF YOU IN HERE THAT QUALIFIES AS ONE.
THE SECOND ONE TOWARD THE END OF THE MONTH BEFORE WE MEET AGAIN, IT WILL BE MEMORIAL DAY.
AND ALSO PLEASE TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO REMEMBER WHY WE CELEBRATE THIS HOLIDAY.
I HAVE NOTHING TO ADD, BUT THANK YOU FOR THAT.
UH, KELLY, MATT, PRETTY WELL COVERED.
UM, STUFF WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AGAIN, A HUGE THANKS TO ALLISON FOR ALL OF HER HELP AND DUE DILIGENCE, UM, IN MOVING FORWARD WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, I TOO WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS WRAPPED UP BY THE FALL AND EARLY FALL AND START GOING INTO PUBLIC HEARING WITH IT.
UM, ASIDE FROM THAT, I HAVE NO OTHER PLANNING RELATED ITEMS AND THANK YOU FOR TELLING ME.
UM, NOTHING REALLY WORK RELATED, BUT, UH, UM, LAST MONTH AFTER WE MET, UH, ON EARTH DAY, THERE WAS A, AN EVENT DOWNTOWN CALLED LONE PINE DAY.
IT'S PUT ON BY THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY IN THE FRONT WORLD.
WARREN COUNTY, ANTI-LITTER COUNCIL.
AND, UH, I GOT DOWN THERE AND, UH, RAN THE ANTI-LITTER COUNCIL TABLE FOR A LITTLE BIT.
AND IT WAS A, IT WAS A GOOD EVENT.
IT WAS, UH, DEFINITELY WORTH IT, YOU GUYS, AND CHECK IT OUT NEXT YEAR.
YEAH, I GOT DOWN THERE AND THE TREES WERE FLOWING LIKE WINE AND I ALSO GOT MYSELF A JAR OF HONEY.
SORRY, I FORGOT TO SAY I WAS THERE.
YOU HAVE ANYTHING WITH THAT? WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.