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O'CLOCK, I'LL CALL THE JUNE 12TH, 2024
[II. Call to Order]
MEETING OF THE WARREN PLANNING, WARREN COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSIONED ORDER.OUR FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA, PLEASE RISE AS YOU'RE ABLE TO REMOVE YOUR HATS FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I, I PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, AND LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[IV. Adoption of the Agenda]
ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA.UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE, UM, ONE CHANGE TO THE AGENDA AND MOVE THE CONTRACTOR STORAGE YARD, UH, FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA TO THE END OF NEW BUSINESS.
UH, AND I, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO DISCUSS THAT I WON'T BE HERE NEXT MONTH AND HAD A, A FEW COMMENTS.
AND, AND, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, ALSO, WE WOULD LIKE TO ADD A LATE SUBMITTAL TO THE AGENDA.
UH, THE WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS SUBMITTED A REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A PUBLIC PROTECTION FACILITY FOR A POLICE TRAINING FACILITY IN THE BENTONVILLE AREA.
UH, WE'LL HAVE A STAFF REPORT AND AN ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FOR YOU AT THE NEXT MEETING, BUT THEY'VE REQUESTED THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING BE AUTHORIZED FOR ADVERTISEMENT AT TONIGHT'S MEETING.
SO WE'D ASK THAT THAT BE ADDED TO, UH, THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM.
UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, MAKE A MOTION TO CHANGE THE AGENDA AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF AND PLANNING COMMISSION.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
[V. Adoption of the Regular Meeting Minutes]
ADOPTION OF THE REGULAR MEETING MINUTES OF MAY 8TH FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AND THE WORK SESSION MINUTES.CAN WE DO THAT IN ONE MOTION OR DO I NEED MOTION SEPARATELY? YOU CAN DO THEM TOGETHER IN THE SAME MOTION, UNLESS THERE'S SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO VOTE NO ON ONE OF THEM, IN WHICH CASE.
THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE MISSION, THE MEETING OF THE JAN MAY 8TH PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, MEETING AND THE MAY 8TH PLANNING COMMISSION WORK SESSION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS ARE LIMITED TO ISSUES THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED ON THE MEETING AGENDA.
IT'S INTENDED AS AN OPPORTUNITY THE PUBLIC GIVE INPUT ON RELATIVE PLANNING ISSUES, NOT INTENDED.
AS A QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD, IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING ON YOUR MIND THAT'S NOT ON OUR AGENDA AND WISH TO BRING IT FORWARD TO US, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND SAY WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND.
[VII.A. Z2024-05-01 - Storage of Cars, Boats and RV’s - Pennoni, Inc. - A request to amend Chapter 180 of the Warren County Code to amend §180-8C to add a definition for Storage of Cars, Boats and Recreational Vehicles, to amend §180-21D to add Storage of Cars, Boats and Recreational Vehicles as a use allowed by conditional use permit in the Agricultural zoning district, and to enact §180-56.5 to add supplementary regulations for Storage of Cars, Boats and Recreational Vehicles. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator]
PUBLIC HEARINGS.STORAGE OF CARS, BOATS, AND RVS PONE INCORPORATED.
REQUEST AMEND CHAPTER 180, THE WARREN COUNTY CODE TO AMEND SUBSECTION 180 8 C TO ADD DEFINITION OF STORAGE OF CARS, BOATS, AND RECREATIONAL VEHICLES TO AMEND SUBSECTION 180 20 1D TO ADD STORAGE OF CARS, BOATS, AND RECREATIONAL VEHICLES AS A USE ALLOWED BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICTS.
AND TO ENACT SUBSECTION 180, 56 0.5 TO ADD SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS FOR STORAGE OF CARS, BOATS, AND RECREATIONAL VEHICLES.
MR. WILLIAMS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
UM, SO, UM, BASED ON THAT DESCRIPTION, UH, WE'RE ADDING A NEW USE, UH, STORAGE OF CARS, BOATS, AND RECREATIONAL VEHICLES, PROPOSING THAT IT BE ADDED BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PERMITTED BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT WITH SOME NEW SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS.
I'LL ALSO JUST BRIEFLY MENTION, WE ARE HAVE A SLIGHT ADJUSTMENT TO THE DEFINITION OF RECREATIONAL VEHICLE, UM, WHICH CURRENTLY INCLUDES LIKE THE SIZE, UM, CONSTRAINT THAT DOES NOT REALLY APPLY ANYMORE.
THERE ARE RVS THAT ARE BIGGER THAN THAT SIZE CONSTRAINT.
UM, BUT THE STORAGE OF CARS, BOOTS AND RECREATIONAL VEHICLES IS CURRENTLY ONLY PERMITTED IN CONJUNCTION WITH RENTAL AND STORAGE OF MOVING VANS AND TRAILERS BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN THE COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT.
UH, THE COMMERCIAL USE WAS ADOPTED AS A ZONING ORDINANCE ON AUGUST 19TH, 2003 WITH NO DEFINITION OR A SUPPLEMENTARY
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REGULATIONS.THE PROPOSED ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT ADDS ONLY THE COMMERCIAL STORAGE OF CARS, BOATS, AND RECREATIONAL VEHICLES AS A USE PERMIT BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT.
ALSO ADDS THE NEW DEFINITION AND SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS.
UH, THE PROPOSED DEFINITION IS A FACILITY OR LOT USED FOR STORAGE OF CARS, BOATS, AND RECREATIONAL VEHICLES IN EXCHANGE FOR COMPENSATION.
SO YOU SHALL COMPLY WITH THE SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS SET FORTH IN SECTION 180 DASH 56.5 OF THIS CHAPTER.
THE PROPOSED SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS FOR STORAGE OF CARS, BOATS, AND RECREATIONAL VEHICLES INCLUDES A 15 ACRE LOT SIZE MINIMUM STATE, MAINTAIN ROAD FRONTAGE AND ACCESS REQUIREMENT, UH, ILLUSTRATIVE DEVELOPMENT PLAN REQUIREMENT, 50 FOOT SETBACK, UH, REQUIREMENT FOR PARKING AND STORAGE AREAS AWAY FROM ANY, UH, PROPERTY LINE, UH, INTERNAL ACCESS ROAD AND PARKING STORAGE AREA, SURFACING REQUIREMENTS, AND ALSO SCREENING LANDSCAPING AND LIGHTING REQUIREMENTS.
UM, THE SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS ALSO INCLUDE A PROHIBITION ON THE COMMERCIAL STORAGE OF INOPERABLE VEHICLES AND RECREATIONAL VEHICLES, AS WELL AS VARIOUS PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES RELATED TO VEHICLES AND RECREATIONAL VEHICLES.
UH, I'LL MENTION THAT THIS WAS APPLIED FOR, UH, BY PENONI AND THIS, UH, TEXT AMENDMENT WILL BE FOLLOWED BY A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR AN AGRICULTURALLY ZONED PROPERTY.
UH, OTHER THAN THAT, THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.
I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
I BELIEVE PAN HAS A REPRESENTATIVE, MAYBE? YES.
PAN HAS A REPRESENTATIVE HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
ANYTHING TO ADD, SIR? NOT REALLY.
WITH THIS, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? YES.
HAS ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK? PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
ANY CHANCE? IS THERE THE OPERABLE, INOPERABLE VEHICLE, WHAT'S THE DEFINITION OF THAT? AND DOES IT INCLUDE, UM, CURRENT LICENSE AND INSPECTION? CORRECT.
FOR SIMPLICITY PURPOSE, IT NEEDS TO BE LEGALLY READY FOR HIGHWAY USE, WHICH MEANS IT WOULD NEED TO HAVE PROPER INSPECTION, PROPER, UH, TAGS.
INSTEAD, SHOULD THAT BE IN THERE TO MAKE IT MORE THE DEFINITION? SO THE CODE IDENTIFIES IN OPERATIVE VEHICLES, THE DEFINITION FOR INOPERATIVE VEHICLE IS IN THE DEFINITION SECTION OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
I WOULD PREFER TO HAVE DEFINITIONS IN THE DEFINITION SECTION PERSONALLY.
UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I, I FEEL THAT THIS IS NOT A FITTING USE IN THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT.
UM, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT STATES, IT'S INTENDED FOR AREAS WHERE GENERAL AGRICULTURAL PURSUITS OR PRACTICE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS MAY BE SITUATED WITHOUT DEGRADING THE ENVIRONMENT.
AND WHERE EXPANSIVE OF OPEN SPACE BEST EXISTS FOR PARKS, PLAYGROUNDS CAN, PRESERVES AND SIMILAR USES.
I, I SEE THIS USE AS NOT CONFORMING TO THAT.
UM, THIS DOES NOT MAINTAIN IT AS AN OPEN SPACE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW IN THIS INSTANCE IT IS CURRENTLY A CONTRACTOR STORAGE YARD.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THIS ONE CASE, MAYBE IT MAKES SENSE, BUT TO MAKE THIS, UM, AN A USE IN ALL OF THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT, I, I DON'T IT'S BY CUP ONLY THOUGH, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
IT WOULD BE BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND THEREFORE THE BOARD WOULD HAVE THAT DISCRETION.
YOU LOOK AT IT BEFORE YOU FIRST, UH, I, YEAH, I, I MEAN, I AGREE.
BUT, BUT YOU OPEN THE DOOR AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S, TO ME IT IS NOT FITTING IN THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT.
OH, VINCE, BUT I'M ON THE OTHER SIDE.
CORNING AS A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER, OH, HIS LOT LOOKS A LITTLE BETTER THAN MINE ACTUALLY.
IT ACTUALLY NEEDS A LITTLE CLEAN
OH, BIG PART OF OUR AG COMMUNITY.
UH, I'M AN EXCAVATING CONTRACTOR IS IN, UH, FORK DISTRICT.
AND WITHIN FIVE MILES FROM ME, THERE'S FIVE OTHER EXCAVATING OR TRUCKING CONTRACTORS.
UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY STATE ROAD FRONTAGE.
YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE A HELICOPTER TO FIND MINE, WHICH THEY DO WHEN THEY FLY OVER.
UM, IN THE AG DISTRICT, YOU CAN HAVE ALL THE FARM TRACTORS AND HAY WAGONS AND AN RV, A BOAT, CONSTRUCTION TRAILER, A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT, NOT ANYMORE ICE SOURCE AND DOESN'T TAKE UP ANY MORE ROOM.
BUT YOU'RE, YOU WOULD TYPICALLY EXPECT THOSE, UH, IN ASSOCIATION WITH A FARM OR FARMING ACTIVITY AND NOT A, UM, PAVED OR GRAVELED PARKING LOT.
YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THIS, THIS USE
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IS GREAT ANYWHERE THAT WE, UM, ALLOW CONTRACTOR STORAGE YARDS OR MANY STORAGE FACILITIES.SO I, I THINK IN THE COMMERCIAL OR IN THE INDUSTRIAL, THIS IS FOR SOMEONE MY SIZE.
I'VE GOT ONE EMPLOYEE AND THREE PIECES OF EQUIPMENT.
HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK I CAN AFFORD FOR A COMMERCIAL PIECE OF PROPERTY IN OUR COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT? WHAT DO YOU RECKON THE RENT IS LIMIT A SQUARE FOOT.
AND HOW LONG DO YOU THINK I'D BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN MY BUSINESS? WELL UNDER THOSE PARAMETERS? YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW.
UH, BUT I I, I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS WHAT THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT IS INTENDED FOR.
I LOOK AS, WE HAVE A LOT OF CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTALS.
AND THIS WOULD BE FALLING UNDER THE SAME GUIDELINES, AS IN THEY WOULD BE COMING BEFORE US AND THEN ALSO GOING BEFORE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS BEFORE IT'D BE ALLOWED.
I'D JUST LIKE TO MENTION, UM, THE CURRENT ONES THAT WE HAVE ARE IN PRIME, ARE IN OUR COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL ZONING AREAS.
UH, MANY OF THOSE WERE ZONED MANY, MANY YEARS AGO OR CAME INTO THE COUNTY AS COMMERCIAL ZONING.
UH, SOMETHING LIKE THIS WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO BE REZONED.
IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED SPOT REZONING AS, UH, 'CAUSE THERE'S NO COMMERCIAL AROUND IT.
UH, IN THE CASE OF THE BLUE RIDGE, UH, STORAGE FACILITY THERE ON STRS STRASBURG ROAD, THAT WAS FORMERLY THE OLD MOVIE THEATER.
AND THEN THEY, UH, CONVERTED THAT TO THE ENCLOSED MINI STORAGE, AND NOW THEY HAVE THE PARKING THERE.
AGAIN, THAT'S COMMERCIAL, BUT IT'S BEEN COMMERCIAL FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
THE SAME CAN BE SAID FOR THE OTHER INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY DOWN, UH, NEXT TO SCHNABEL, WHERE THERE'S A, A VERY SIMILAR SITUATION THERE ON WEST STRASBURG ROAD.
THE OTHERS ARE UP IN THE CORRIDOR THAT I'M AWARE OF FOR, UH, AND THEY'RE PART OF REALLY THE MINI STORAGE UNITS WHERE THEY HAVE, UH, UH, AREA BEHIND THEM, UM, ZONE COMMERCIAL AND ZONE INDUSTRIAL.
UM, THE CA IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THERE IS NO COMMERCIAL ZONING.
SO, UH, THIS WAS AN OPTION THAT THE, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS PURSUED.
ANYBODY GOT ANYTHING ELSE? I GUESS I'VE, I'VE MADE MY, MY CASE.
UH, I WILL ALSO POINT OUT THOUGH, THAT THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN THE CONTRACTOR STORAGE YARD, UH, WHICH WE'LL DISCUSS LATER IN YOUR BUSINESS.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? TAKE A MOTION PLEASE.
FINDING THAT THE ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT IS APPROPRIATE FOR PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, AND GENERAL WELFARE.
AND AS GOOD ZONING PRACTICE, I MOVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? WE SAY AYE.
[VII.B. CUP2024-05-01 - Pennoni, Inc. - Mike Artz - Robert and Vivian Lake - Owner - A request for a conditional use permit for Storage of Cars, Boats and Recreational Vehicles. The property is located at 3434 Guard Hill Road and identified on tax map 12, as lot 41-1. The property is zoned Agricultural (A) and located in the North River Magisterial District. - Matt Wendling, Planning Director]
MOVE ON NOW TO THE NEXT ONE.CUP 20 24 0 5 0 1 PENONI INCORPORATED.
MIKE AZ, ROBERT AND VIVIAN LAKE OWNERS REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THE STORAGE OF CARS, BOATS, AND RECREATIONAL VEHICLES.
PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 34 34 GUARD HILL ROAD IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 12 AS LOT 41 DASH ONE PROPERTY ZONED AGRICULTURAL LOCATED IN NORTH RIVER MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.
UH, YES, THIS PROPERTY IS ALSO 18.522 ACRES, UH, WHICH WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THE APPLICANT REQUESTED THE TEXT AMENDMENT TO BE AT 15 ACRES.
UM, IT WAS, UM, SOMETHING THAT WE AGREED TO.
AND SO, UM, THE PROPOSED STORAGE AREA CONSISTS OF AN EXISTING WORKSHOP AND GARAGE FOR THE OWNER'S PERSONAL USE.
IT WILL HAVE AN AREA FOR OUTDOOR STORAGE OF THE VEHICLES, WHICH WILL BE FENCED FOR SECURITY PURPOSES.
UH, THE CONCEPT PLAN, WHICH I BELIEVE IS THE NEXT, UH, SLIDE, UM, THAT SHOWS THE PARKING AREA PROJECTS INTO THE ADJACENT LOT, WHICH IS OWNED BY THE APPLICANT.
UH, PLANNING STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED THAT THE APPLICANT MODIFY THE CONCEPT PLAN TO MEET THE SETBACKS IN THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE.
UH, OR IN THE CASE OF THE CONDITIONS WE'LL BE REQUESTING IS TO ADJUST THE BOUNDARIES.
UH, THE PROPERTY HAS HAD NOT, NOT HAD ANY, UH, PREVIOUS CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS ISSUED FOR THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING.
THE PROPERTY HAD BEEN USED FOR LONG TERM PERIOD AS A NON-CONFORMING PAVING CONTRACTOR STORAGE YARD.
UH, AND THE APPLICANT IS RETIRED FROM THAT, UM, AND IS NO LONGER USING IT FOR A STORAGE YARD.
UM, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
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NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS, WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, AND APPLICABLE ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.NUMBER TWO, THE OUTDOOR STORAGE AREA SHALL BE SCREENED FROM VIEW OF THE RIGHT OF WAY AND ADJACENT PROPERTIES WITH, UH, LANDSCAPING AND FENCING APPROVED BY COUNTY STAFF.
SUCH FENCING SHALL BE A MINIMUM OF SIX FEET IN HEIGHT.
NUMBER THREE, THE EXISTING WOODLAND BUFFER IN THE PROPERTY SHALL BE MAINTAINED AND SHOWN IN THE ILLUSTRATIVE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
NUMBER FOUR, ALL VEHICLES SHALL HAVE VALID LICENSE PLATES AND VALID INSPECTION DECALS WHILE STORED ON THE SITE.
NUMBER FIVE, THE HOURS OF OPERATION SHALL BE 7:00 AM TO 7:00 PM SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.
NUMBER SIX, PROPERTY SHALL BE LIMITED TO THE STORAGE OF 89 CARS, BOATS, OR RECREATIONAL VEHICLES, AS SHOWN ON THE CONCEPT PLAN DATED APRIL 16TH, 2024, WHICH IS WHAT YOU SEE UP ON THE SCREEN.
AND LASTLY, NUMBER SEVEN, THE APPLICANT OR OWNER SHALL SUBMIT A BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT WITHIN 60 DAYS OF APPROVAL OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT DEMONSTRATING COMPLIANCE WITH A SETBACK OF 50 FOOT FOR PARKING STORAGE AREAS FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTY LINES.
THE BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT MUST BE PROPERLY RECORDED WITH WARREN COUNTY CLERK OF THE COURT PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF ZONING.
UH, THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.
ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED, UH, THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE ALONG WITH, UH, MR. ARTS, WHO IS THEIR REPRESENTATIVE FOR P PENONI.
DO THE APPLICANTS HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO MR. WENDELL'S COMMENTS? UM, I'M ASSUMING NO, WITH THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN.
ANYONE SIGN UP? ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK THAT PUBLIC HEARING'S CLOSED ALL.
SO I GOT A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
IS THERE AN ISSUE WITH RUNOFF OR POLLUTION WITH THE DRIPPAGE OR THE, UH, DRAIN, OR NOT DRAINAGE, BUT THE, UH, LEAKING GAS, LEAKING, OIL LEAKING, UH, TANKS? I, I WILL TELL YOU THAT WE, WE CURRENTLY HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WITH THE APPLICANTS FOR A, UH, AUTO REPAIR FACILITY IN CONJUNCTION WITH A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING OFF OF GUARD HILL ROAD.
UH, IT IS THAT THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR? NO, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN.
UM, YEAH, I'M NOT SURE IF IT SHOWN ON THE MAP, BUT IN ANY CASE, UM, OUR HISTORY WITH THE APPLICANT, THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY, IS THAT THEY'VE BEEN VERY DILIGENT ABOUT MONITORING, UH, THAT PROPERTY FOR TRASH, DEBRIS, ANY TYPE OF ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, IMPACTS SUCH AS FLUIDS AND THAT KIND OF THING.
THEY, THEY DO LEASE THE PROPERTY, BUT THEY, THEY MANAGE IT.
UM, AND, UH, UH, MR. LAKE, UH, AS I SAID, THEY, THEY DO LIVE, THEY LIVE CLOSE TO HERE, BUT HE, THIS IS HIS WORKSHOP, SO HE'LL BE BASICALLY THE MANAGER OF THE PROPERTY AND WILL BE OBSERVING THESE THINGS ON A DAILY BASIS.
UM, IF HE HAS A PROCESS IN WHICH HE'LL BE, YOU KNOW, ADDRESSING THAT, UH, HE COULD, HE, HE'S WELCOME TO COME UP AND, AND TELL THAT TO US.
WE, UH, WE COULD, UH, ADDRESS THAT WITH HIM ALSO, EITHER THROUGH A CONDITION IF HE WANTED TO ADD A, WE NEED TO ADD A CONDITION OR, UH, JUST THROUGH OUR INSPECTION, ANNUAL INSPECTION THAT WE WOULD DO.
UH, HAVE, HAVE THERE BEEN ANY, UH, COMMENTS RECEIVED FROM NEIGHBORS? WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANYTHING.
UH, IT, IT, YEAH, THIS SITS PRETTY FAR BACK OFF THE ROAD AND, AND, UH, THEY'VE BEEN THERE A LONG TIME.
THEY, THEY KNOW MOST OF THEIR NEIGHBORS AND YEAH.
SO I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I, I DON'T LIKE THE USE IN THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT.
UM, BUT IF IT'S GOING TO GO AHEAD, I, THIS SEEMS LIKE A GREAT SPOT FOR IT.
UM, IT'S ALREADY BEEN USED AS A CONTRACTOR STORAGE YARD.
UH, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT'S AGREEING TO, UH, CREATE THAT 50 FOOT BUFFER OR, OR THAT'S PART OF THE CONDITION.
YEAH, WE, WE'VE TALKED TO HIM ABOUT THAT.
AND AGAIN, HE OWNS THAT PROPERTY.
SO IT'S JUST, UH, IT WOULD BE AT HIS, HIS COST TO BE, TO BOUNDARY ADJUST THAT AND JUST, UH, THE SURVEYOR, WE MAKE SURE THAT THAT LINE WAS PULLED SUFFICIENTLY OFF SO THAT HE COULD MEET THAT REQUIREMENT FOR THE 50 FOOT BUFFER.
IT'S JUST THE ONE CORNER THERE TO THE SOUTHEAST OF THE, THE STRUCTURES IN THE LINE.
I CAN SEE IT AS THE YARD COME OUT TIGHT TO THE LINE.
SO AGAIN, IT'S STILL WOODED, BUT, YOU KNOW, TO, UH, WELL, IT'S GOOD THAT HE, THAT HE HAS ABILITY TO DO THAT.
AGS ARE, IS OUR DEFAULT ZONING IF IT'S NOT SOMETHING ELSE.
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YEAH.IT'S, YOU GET HOMES PRETTY MUCH ALL ALONG THERE.
OR BUSINESSES, A BUTCHER, BUTCHER SHOT.
IF THIS HAS A TRACK HISTORY OF KEEPING THINGS NEAT AND ORDERLY AND BASICALLY WE'RE SAYING ANYTHING STORED IN THIS HAS TO BE OPERABLE.
AND YOU CAN SEE FROM THE PICTURES IF YOU WANT TO GET, COULD YOU GO BACK THERE? MM-HMM.
SCOTT, DID YOU, DID YOU NEED NO, THAT'S FINE.
SO IS IT OKAY TO DO A MOTION? PLEASE MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST OF TON INCORPORATED AND ROBERT AND VIVIAN LAKE FOR A STORAGE OF CARS, BOTH RECREATIONAL VEHICLES WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
UH, THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
SAY, BE FORWARD TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS BOTH OF THESE IN PROBABLY ABOUT A MONTH.
[VII.C. Z2024-05-02 - Rural Resort Center - Jennifer Wynn - A request to amend Chapter 180 of the Warren County Code to amend §180-8C to add a definition for Rural Resort Center and to amend the existing definition for Lodging Unit, to amend §180-21D to add Rural Resort Center as a use allowed by conditional use permit in the Agricultural zoning district, and to enact §180-55.4 to add supplementary regulations for Rural Resort Center. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator]
ITEM 22 0, 24 0 5, 0 2 RURAL RURAL RESORT CENTER, JENNIFER WYNN.REQUEST FOR TO AMEND CHAPTER 180 OF THE WARREN COUNTY CODE TO AMEND SUBSECTION 180 DASH EIGHT EIGHT C TO ADD A DEFINITION FOR RURAL RESORT CENTER AND TO AMEND THE EXISTING DEFINITION OR FOR LODGING UNIT TO AMEND SUBSECTION 180 20 1D TO ADD RURAL RESORT CENTER FOR USE, ALLOWED BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT.
AND TO ENACT SUBSECTION 180 DASH 55 TO ADD SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS FOR RURAL RESORT CENTER, MR. LIN.
SO THIS IS A TEXT AMENDMENT APPLICATION SUBMITTED, UH, BY JENNIFER WYNN.
UM, WE BASICALLY TEAMED UP WITH HER LEGAL REPRESENTATION AND WROTE THIS ORDINANCE.
UM, SO A LOT OF THE STUFF IS, UH, YOU SEE IN THERE IS STUFF THAT THEY'VE ASKED FOR, FOR A PARTICULAR PROPERTY FOR IT TO WORK.
UM, IF YOU NEED ANY CLARIFICATION ON THAT, EITHER I OR THE APPLICANT CAN CAN HELP WITH THAT.
UM, BUT WE ARE PROPOSING, UH, BASICALLY A WHOLE NEW USE.
UH, THE PROPOSED DEFINITION FOR THIS USE IS A FACILITY LOCATED ON A PARCEL OF LAND 15 ACRES OR GREATER IN SIZE, UTILIZED FOR HOSPITALITY AND RECREATIONAL PURPOSES, INCLUDING TEMPORARY LODGING, MEALS, ENTERTAINMENT, AND RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES SUCH AS PICNICKING, BOATING, FISHING, SWIMMING, HIKING, PLAYGROUNDS, INDOOR GAMES, OUTDOOR GAMES, AND OTHER SPORTS AND ACTIVITIES.
THE FACILITY AND LODGING UNIT ACCOMMODATIONS SHALL COMPLY WITH THE SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS SET FORTH IN SECTION 180 DASH 55.4 OF THIS CHAPTER.
UM, SO YES, WE'RE ADDING IT BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT WITH SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS.
THE PROPOSED SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS INCLUDE A STATE ROAD FRONTAGE AND ACCESS REQUIREMENT, AN ILLUSTRATIVE DEVELOPMENT PLAN REQUIREMENT, A 100 FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT FROM ANY BUILDING TO ADJACENT PROPERTY LINES PARKING REQUIREMENTS, AND AN OPTION TO SPECIFY AN OCCUPANCY LIMIT VIA THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PROCESS.
UH, THE SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS ALSO INCLUDE REQUIREMENTS AND STANDARDS FOR LODGING UNIT ACCOMMODATIONS, UH, WHICH INCLUDES DENSITY STANDARDS ALLOWING NO MORE THAN 25 LODGING UNITS ON LOTS, 15 TO 30 ACRES IN SIZE, AND NO MORE THAN 50 LODGING UNITS ON LOTS GREATER THAN 30 ACRES IN SIZE.
UH, ALSO INCLUDE OUR PROXIMITY STANDARDS REQUIRING 20 FEET OF SEPARATION BETWEEN LODGING UNITS AND DESIGN STANDARDS FOR, UH, A SIZE RANGE FOR THE LODGING UNITS.
AND THAT'S BETWEEN 250 AND 1000 SQUARE FEET.
UM, THEY ALSO INCLUDE RESTRICTIONS ON THE USE OF LODGING UNITS AS PERMANENT LIVING QUARTERS AND CAMPING UNLESS PERMITTED AS A CAMPGROUND THROUGH THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
UM, I DID GET, UH, SOME COMMENTS FROM MR. GORDON ABOUT THE PARKING REQUIREMENT AND, UH, I TYPED UP A POTENTIAL AMENDMENT TO THE PARKING REQUIREMENT TO COVER SOME OF HIS CONCERNS.
AND THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PROVIDED AT YOUR SEAT.
UH, BUT BASICALLY THE PROPOSED, UH, UH, PARKING REQUIREMENT IN THE DRAFT ORDINANCE JUST REQUIRES ONE SPACE PER, UH, LODGING UNIT.
UH, MR. GORDON POINTED OUT THAT THERE THE USE INCLUDES, UH, KIND OF GENERAL RECREATIONAL AREAS THAT, UH, LODGING UNIT, UH, GUESTS, OR I SHOULD SAY THOSE ACTIVITIES WOULDN'T BE LIMITED TO JUST THE LODGING UNIT, UH, GUESTS.
AND SO THERE SHOULD BE GENERAL KIND OF PARKING AND ALSO PARKING FOR EMPLOYEES.
AND SO OUR SUGGESTED CHANGE WOULD BE, UH, I'LL JUST READ THROUGH IT.
IT'S, UH, ONSITE PARKING SHALL BE PROVIDED IN AN AMOUNT EQUAL TO ONE SPACE PER
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100 SQUARE FEET OF AREA DEDICATED TO INDOOR AND OUTDOOR RECREATION, PLUS ONE SPACE PER PLA PER STAFF MEMBER.UH, ADDITIONALLY, ONSITE PARKING SHALL BE PROVIDED AN AMOUNT EQUAL TO TWO SPACES PER LODGING UNIT IN THE PARKING AREAS FOR THE RESORT SHALL BE IN LOCATIONS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE THOSE.
ALSO, THE APPLICANT IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US, BUT THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.
DOES APPLICANT HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THE STAFF COMMENTS? ALL MY NAME, NAME AND ADDRESS.
ADDRESS, 1 49 SOUTH FUNK STREET, STRASSBURG, VIRGINIA.
AND, UM, I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR GOAL HERE IS TO TRY TO CREATE A PLACE ON, UH, LAND, UM, THAT'S ABOUT A LITTLE UNDER 18 ACRES.
WE'RE HOPING TO BUILD AND PROVIDE A PLACE WHERE FAMILIES CAN COME IN TOGETHER FOR LIKE, FAMILY REUNIONS, WEDDINGS, YOU KNOW, NOT HAVE THE WEDDING THERE, BUT YOU KNOW, THEY CAN BE TOGETHER ON ONE PROPERTY IN THEIR INDIVIDUAL PLACES TO STAY.
THAT'S REALLY WHAT OUR GOAL IS HERE.
AND I'M HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
WITH THAT, WE'LL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ANYONE SIGN UP? ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK? PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
CHANCE, WHAT'S THE, UH, MAXIMUM DAYS PER YEAR? YOU GOT 30 DAYS.
THE REASON I ASK, BECAUSE IN DC THEY HAVE THAT SAME RULE FOR BED AND BREAKFASTS AND ALL THAT MEAN WAS MY BILL HAD TO EXPIRE AND I HAD TO PAY FOR ANOTHER 30 DAYS.
IS THAT, SO I STAYED THERE LONGER THAN 30 DAYS WITHOUT EVEN MOVING MY STUFF OUT OF THE ROOM.
SO WE DON'T HAVE A MAXIMUM THERE.
YOU JUST HAVE 30 DAY MAXIMUM STAY.
AND I'M ASSUMING THAT'S FOR ONE TIME.
SO CAN I COME BACK A DAY LATER AND GET, GO BACK RIGHT BACK INTO THAT SAME UNIT FOR ANOTHER 30 DAYS? YEAH, I WOULD SAY THE CODE IS BASED ON THE RENTAL CONTRACT NOT EXCEEDING 30 CONSECUTIVE DAYS IN DURATION.
UH, BUT THE CODE ALSO, UM, STATES THAT LODGING UNIT SHOULD NOT BE USED FOR PERMANENT LIVING QUARTERS.
AND SO, UM, THERE WOULD BE SOME ROOM FOR INTERPRETATION AS TO WHAT CONSTITUTES PERMANENT.
UH, IN THIS CASE, I WOULD INTERPRET THE ORDINANCE TO MEAN THAT ANY RENTAL BEYOND 30 DAYS WOULD BE CONSIDERED PERMANENT.
UH, SO I GUESS MY, MY CONCERN WITH THIS IS THE 15 ACRES.
UH, SO WE HAVE THE RURAL EVENT CENTER, WHICH HAS A MINIMUM OF 20 ACRES, AND THAT ALLOWS FOR 10 LODGING UNITS.
SO IN ESSENCE, WE'RE ALLOWING A VERY SIMILAR USE, UM, AT 15 ACRES TO HAVE 25 LODGING UNITS.
SO WE'RE ALLOWING A SMALLER PARCEL, SO MORE UNITS, AND YOU CAN DO THE SAME THINGS.
UM, PLUS YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, HAVE, I DON'T KNOW, AN INDOOR ARCHERY RANGE IF YOU WANT, OR, OR OUTDOOR.
I, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
COURSE THEY COME IN FOR THE EVENT CENTER, THAT'S ALL THEY ASK FOR, AND THEY WROTE TO ORDINANCE, I THINK IS WHY THE NUMBERS CAN, BUT DON'T ONLY TWO MIGHT GET SOME CLARIFICATION FOR STAFF.
I, I MEAN MAYBE, BUT
I MEAN, I WAS LOOKING AROUND AT OTHER LOCALITIES AND THE SMALLEST THAT I FOUND WAS LOUDOUN AT 40 ACRES FOR A, A RURAL RESORT.
UM, SHENANDOAH, I THINK, UM, DIDN'T HAVE A, UM, AN ACREAGE AMOUNT TIED TO IT.
BUT YOU KNOW, I, I GUESS IN MY MIND, 15 IS SMALL FOR WHAT I ENVISION AS A RURAL RESORT.
UM, SOMEWHERE WHERE YOU GO AND, AND YOU DO OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES, UM, THERE'S PROBABLY A RESTAURANT LODGING UNITS.
YOU GET THE LODGE UNITS AND PARKING THERE A LOT LEFT.
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I WILL GIVE YOU THAT.SO YOU THINK THEY GOT TOO MANY UNITS OR WHERE THE EVENT CENTER DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH? UH, I REALLY, I MEAN, IF WE WERE GONNA LIKE, REWRITE EVERYTHING I WOULD DO AWAY WITH
BUT, UM, I THINK THAT THE 15 ACRES IS TOO SMALL, UM, FOR THE RURAL RESORT.
IF, IF IT IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN THE, THAN THE EVENT CENTER.
UH, BUT IT'S, IT DOESN'T HAVE A BIG BUILDING.
WHY NOT? WHERE DOES IT SAY, WHERE DOES IT SAY IN HERE THAT IT DOESN'T, I MEAN, IT'S A RESORT.
I MEAN, YOU COULD HAVE AN EVENT.
I KNOW THE APPLICANT SAID THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE WEDDINGS, BUT THERE'S NOTHING THAT PREVENTS YOU FROM, FROM HAVING A WEDDING HERE.
WELL, WE GOT, I I I COMPLETELY GET YOUR POINT.
I, I'M, I'M JUST NOT AGAINST IT THOUGH FOR, UH, WELL, THERE'S A WAY TO ACCOMPLISH BOTH HERE.
SO WE GOT A MINIMUM OF MAXIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR EACH UNIT LODGING UNIT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ONE FOR THE COMMON COMMON BUILDING RESTAURANT, THAT KIND OF STUFF.
YEAH, IT DID SAY INDOOR OUTDOOR EVENTS.
SO IF IT'S AN INDOOR EVENT, IT'S GOTTA BE A BUILDING.
SO WE GOTTA PUT SIZE LIMIT ON THE BUILDING.
WELL, BUT TO KEEP, MAKE IT DIFFERENT FROM A, UH, AN EVENT CENTER, WHICH IS GOING TO HAVE A LARGE BUILDING.
YOU KNOW, THIS SHOULD BE DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE DO HAVE STRICTER STANDARDS LIKE WILL JUST STATED FOR THE EVENT CENTERS.
SO WHY TAKE THEIR POTENTIAL CUSTOMERS AWAY ON A MUCH SMALLER SCALE PROPERTY THAT THEY'RE, THEY CAN DO THE SAME THING AT.
NOW I'M TALKING ABOUT, I'M TALKING ABOUT LIKE A 300 PERSON WEDDING, NOT SOMEONE HAS FOUR OR FIVE PEOPLE TO COMING TO A WEDDING.
AND OBVIOUSLY THERE'S, UH, SOME OVERLAP HERE WITH THESE USES.
AND I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH WILL THAT, IF WE HAD THIS USE IN MIND BEFORE THE TEXT AMENDMENT TO RURAL EVENTS FACILITY, THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD'VE DONE AND WE WOULD'VE LEFT THE LODGING OFF OF THE RURAL EVENTS FACILITY.
I THINK THAT'S JUST A CLEANER WAY TO DO ZONING.
UM, BUT AS FAR AS FOR THE DIFFERENCE IN THE USES, UM, THE PRINCIPAL USE OF A A RURAL EVENTS FACILITY IS A VENUE FOR EVENTS.
THE LODGING IS PERMITTED IN AS AN ACCESSORY THING TO THAT EVENT CENTER.
THIS RESORT DOESN'T NEED NECESSARILY HAVE EVENTS.
RIGHT? SO THE LODGING IN ANY RECREATIONAL COMPONENTS ARE THE PRINCIPLE PRIMARY USE, WHEREAS, UH, AN EVENT OR SOMETHING MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT'S ACCESSORY TO ONE OF THOSE ACTIVITIES.
SO IT IS KIND OF MORE OF A PRINT, PRIMARY VERSUS SECONDARY, UH, USE ANALYSIS THING.
AND YES, I WILL AGREE THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF CROSSOVER.
UM, BUT UH, YEAH, I THINK YOUR POINT IS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD DO SIMILAR THINGS WITH BOTH USES, BUT THERE'S NOT AS MUCH DENSITY IN THE USE THAT HAS A HIGHER MINIMUM ACREAGE REQUIREMENT.
UM, THIS WOULD BE RESTRICTED IN NUMBERS BY, BASED ON SEPTIC AND THE LODGING UNIT? THAT'S CORRECT.
THERE WOULD BE A RESTRICTION ON THE NUMBER OF LO OR AT LEAST THE NUMBER OF LODGING UNITS THEY'RE PROPOSING WOULD NEED TO BE APPROVED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
SO THAT, SO, SO THIS WOULD ONLY HAVE, WHAT'S IT, THE 25 UNITS IS WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR? YEAH.
FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, UH, WHAT WE'RE GONNA ALLOW ON THE CODE.
THIS IS NOT, THIS IS NOT THE, THIS IS FOR THE CODE.
BECAUSE 50 LOADING LODGING UNITS ON GREATER THAN 30, THIS 50 TO 30 ACRES, THAT'S A, I MEAN, THAT IS A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT.
BUT THE, THE EVENT CENTER'S GONNA HAVE 300 PEOPLE, BUT THEY'RE JUST NOT STAYING THERE.
THIS, THIS, THEY'RE STAYING THERE, BUT IT'S A WHOLE LOT LESS DENSE PEOPLE.
SO, YOU KNOW, THERE, IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU'VE GOT 25 CABINS AND THERE ARE TWO OCCUPANCY, IT CAN ONLY BE 50 PEOPLE THERE.
AND, AND THERE'S RESTRICTION, WELL, THEY, THAT SEPARATES IT FROM THE EVENT CENTER.
ONLY 50 PEOPLE COULD OVERNIGHT STAY THERE.
BUT IF YOU HAD ONLY THAN 50 PEOPLE, PERIOD.
BUT IF YOU GOT, UH, A SEPTIC RATED FOR YOUR, YOUR RESTAURANT, I MEAN, THAT'S GONNA BE SEPARATE FROM YOUR LODGING UNITS.
WHAT, WHAT COULD I, I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'LL GET A BUILDING A COMMON BUILDING, BUT THAT, BUT THAT DOESN'T, THAT DOESN'T GIVE 'EM A RESTAURANT PER SE, DOES IT? OR DOES IT? UM, I WOULD SAY A RESTAURANT, BASED ON THE PROPOSED DEFINITION,
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IT DOES INCLUDE MEALS.UM, SO I WOULD SAY AS LONG AS IT IS, UM, KIND OF INCIDENTAL TO THE PRIMARY USE OF A RESORT, THAT IT COULD HAVE A, A RESTAURANT.
REMEMBER WE'RE ALSO TALKING TWO, TWO DIFFERENT UNITS HERE.
WE'RE TALKING ONE UP TO 30 ACRES AND ONE OVER 30 ACRES.
SO YOU GOT A LIMIT OF 25 UNITS AND UP TO 30 ACRES.
WHAT, WHAT'S THE 15 ACRE ONE? 15? I THOUGHT THAT ONE WAS 25.
IT'S, AND THEN OVER 30 IT WAS 15 TO 30.
AND ANYTHING OVER 30, THE ONLY THING I NEED TO DO IS PUT A RESTRICTION ON THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE ON THE PROPERTY.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO PUT THE A SHOULD WE ASK THE APPLICANT WITH THAT DONE? SURE.
BUT, BUT APPLICANT, COULD YOU CLARIFY WHAT THE GOAL IS HERE AND MAYBE HOW WE CAN YES.
OUR, OUR INTENT IS DEFINITELY NOT TO HAVE A RESTAURANT ON THE SITE.
UM, AND IF THAT'S A CONCERN, MAYBE WE COULD MAKE ANOTHER AMENDMENT TO IT TO SAY SPECIFICALLY THAT IT WOULD NOT OPERATE A RESTAURANT OR LIKE A LARGE EVENT.
THE INTENT REALLY IS JUST FOR LODGING FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO COME AND STAY.
YOU KNOW, LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE COME IN TOWN FOR FAMILY REUNIONS, WEDDINGS, GRADUATIONS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR A PLACE WHERE THEY CAN BE TOGETHER, BUT SEPARATE.
JUST PUT SMALLER UNITS ON THIS PROPERTY AND BE ABLE TO ADVERTISE IT THAT WAY TO THE PUBLIC SO THEY HAVE A PLACE TO COME IN AND STAY.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WE'LL HAVE SOME COMMON AREAS, MAYBE A POOL, MAYBE YOU KNOW, SOME CORN HOLE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IS GOING ON, BUT NOT LIKE A RESTAURANT AND, AND LIKE A FULL SERVICE KIND OF THING.
AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT IF THAT'S, IT'S NOT GONNA BE A SANDALS.
MAYBE THIS PARCEL WON'T, BUT, YOU KNOW.
'CAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE CURVE.
THIS IS NOT JUST FOR ME, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO MAKE A CHANGE TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WOULD NOT BE INCLUDED, DOES NOT INCLUDE RESTAURANT OR HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, TO WORD IT.
WE, WE HAVE AN ATTORNEY HERE, SO
WELL, AND JUST TO NOTE THAT THIS IS BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS.
SO CONDITIONS PROBABLY BE PLACED, EXCLUDE CERTAIN ITEMS. I, I, I KNOW, BUT AGAIN, ONCE YOU HAVE A CONDITIONAL ISSUE, YOU'RE OPENING THE DOOR.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THIS BOARD'S NOT GONNA BE HERE FOREVER.
YOU KNOW, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE Y'ALL GET THE FRAMEWORK RIGHT.
YOU, YOU JUST WANT SOME MORE GENERAL CONDITIONS FOR A FRAME WORK FOR THIS COORDINATE WOULD BE BETTER FOR YOU.
I MEAN I, I, I REALLY THINK IT NEEDS TO HAVE A LARGER PARCEL SIZE, BUT I, I UNDERSTAND THE APPLICANT'S, UM, CONSTRAINTS.
AND SO, I MEAN, SOMETHING WE COULD THINK ABOUT IS MAYBE TABLING AND COMING BACK NEXT MONTH, UM, WITH KIND OF DIFFERENT TIERS.
SO UNDER 15 ACRES, MAYBE YOU DON'T HAVE THE RESTAURANT.
LIKE YOU, YOU'RE EXCLUDED FROM HAVING A RESTAURANT, UH, OVER 15.
OR MAYBE WE EVEN MAKE IT LIKE, YEAH, I MEAN, WAS THE, YEAH, I GUESS THEN 15 AND OVER YOU MAYBE UNDER 20.
15 TO 30, NOTHING UNDER 15, 15 TO 30, AND THEN OVER 30 IS THE WAY IT SIZE CURRENTLY INTO THE BIG ONE.
I WAS THINKING THOUGH TO, TO KIND OF ALIGN WITH YOUR RURAL EVENT CENTER, SOMETHING LIKE 15 TO 20, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T HAVE A RESTAURANT, UM, 20 TO, I DON'T KNOW, 50 AND KEEP IT FROM BEING AN EVENT CENTER TOO.
I THINK IT'S, IT'S IF, IF YOU PUT A LIMIT ON ITS NUMBER OF PEOPLE ON THE PROPERTY.
LET ME ASK YOU HERE, UH, IF WE LIMITED IT TO NOT HAVING A RESTAURANT, COULD THEY POTENTIALLY HAVE A FOOD TRAILER, TEMPORARY FOOD TRAILER FOR THEY CATER TO THAT EVENT BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE A CATER AND CATER SAME AS HAVING AN EVENT OR THE THING OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GUYS OUT THERE THAT COME ON AND BARBECUE ON SITE, RIGHT? RIGHT.
WHERE IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A TEMPORARY THING, NOT A PERMANENT RESTAURANT WHERE YOU'LL BE BRINGING IN PEOPLE MAYBE WHO AREN'T THERE FOR THE RESORT, BUT WHO ARE THERE FOR JUST THE RESTAURANT.
I, I GUESS I'M ALSO THINKING, IS THAT KINDA WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THIS? YEAH, BUT SO, SO WE KIND OF HAVE TWO CATEGORIES.
A A SMALL RURAL RESORT AND A LARGE RURAL RESORT.
YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY WHO HAS A HUNDRED PLUS ACRES, IF THEY WANTED TO HAVE A LARGE RURAL RESORT THAT WOULD INCLUDE A RESTAURANT AND, AND 50 LODGING UNITS.
YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT TO ME MAKES SENSE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING A HUNDRED PLUS ACRES.
UM, SO THAT, THAT'S KINDA MY THOUGHT.
THIS, THIS APPLICANT, I THINK THEY'RE LIMITED TO 17 ON THE ONE SIDE OF THE, OF JOHN MARSHALL HIGH OR, UM,
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UH, STONE STONEWALL JACKSON HIGHWAY.AND THEN THEY HAVE THREE, THREE, IS IT THREE PLUS ACRES FOR THE HOTEL MOTEL COMPLEX THAT THEY HAVE BY RIGHT.
WHICH THEY PLAN ON HAVING JUST A SMALL RESTAURANT, I THINK AT SOME POINT IN TIME.
NOTHING, NOTHING LARGE OR ANYTHING.
SO THEY, IT IS KIND OF LIKE TWO OPERATIONS FOR TRANSIENT LODGING THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE HOTEL AS AN EXISTING USE DETERMINED BY MS UH, CABINS ON THE OTHER PROPERTY YEAH.
AND THEN IT'S A LITTLE COMMON AREA FOR PEOPLE TO HANG OUT.
AND THEN, SO IT WOULD BE SOMEWHAT REFLECTIVE OF THAT, BUT WITH MORE DENSITY.
YEAH, I MEAN, I LIKE, I LIKE HER CONCEPT.
I I DO, I AFFORD IT A HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT IF THE ORDINANCE NEEDS A LITTLE HELP, BUT YEAH.
AND I LIKE, I, I LIKE THE IDEA OF A RURAL, RURAL RESORT AND, AND I COULD EVEN GO FOR THE, THE, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE CATEGORIES WHERE WE HAVE A SMALL CATEGORY, YOU KNOW, UNDER 20 ACRES, YOU DON'T HAVE A RESTAURANT, SOME, SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.
AND, AND AS YOU GET LARGER, YOU CAN HAVE MORE AMENITIES, MORE LODGING UNITS.
SO, UH, AND JUST, I'M SORRY, CHASE, I'M JUST ASKING, GONNA ASK THESE QUESTIONS.
SO THE, SO IF WE LOOKED AT REVISING IT, WOULD YOU JUST WANT TO DECREASE THE AMOUNT OF LODGING UNITS FOR THAT 13 OR 15 TO 30 ACRES AND THEN WITHOUT HAVING AN ACCESSORY USE SUCH AS A RESTAURANT, WHEREAS THEN YOU GET INTO WHATEVER, 30 ACRES OR SET ANOTHER HIGHER, HIGHER MINIMUM FOR THAT WITH, YOU KNOW, THE 50 LODGING OR, OR GREATER LODGING UNITS, BUT TO BE ALLOWED TO HAVE A RESTAURANT, YOU KNOW, PERMANENT RESTAURANT AS A SESSION UNITS.
WOULD THE 25 LODGING UNITS BE OVER OKAY.
WITHOUT THE RESTAURANT AND STUFF? 'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA BE, I THINK SO.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT JUST RENTING OUT ROOMS ON A TUESDAY, NOBODY'S USING THE EVENT SPACE.
UM, SO I DO SEE THE DISTINCTION IN, IN USES.
UM, AND YEAH, I GUESS I'D BE OKAY WITH THE 25 LODGING UNITS, UM, IF WE EXCLUDED SOME OF THOSE OTHER AMENITIES LIKE, LIKE A RESTAURANT.
WELL, TO, TO YOUR POINT THERE, SO ON PAGE ONE, THE LAST CHAPTER, RURAL RESORT CENTER AS DEFINED STRIKE THE, UM, MEALS AND ENTERTAINMENT, YOU STILL HAVE A CATERED STRIKING THE MEALS KEEP IT FROM
IT ALSO, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN, YOU KNOW, THAT WE, WE AS A COMMITTEE ARE GONNA VIEW THAT AND SAY, WELL, YOU GOTTA HAVE MEALS.
AND WOULD ENTERTAINMENT ALSO OPEN UP, UH, YOU KNOW, MUSIC FACILITY? WELL, THEY COULD STILL DO THAT, BUT HOW WOULD THAT, IF THIS IS JUST A LODGING PLACE, THEN IT NEEDS TO BE A LODGING PLACE.
NOT, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND BOTH.
LIKE WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, I SEE MORE OF LIKE CAMPGROUND MENTALITY WITH CABINS VERSUS, YOU KNOW, VERSUS A RESORT OR WITH THE ENTERTAINMENT WITH THE MUSIC.
BECAUSE THEN THAT KIND OF OPENS UP AND WITH WHAT SHE'S PROPOSING, LIKE I SEE IT AS WELL, BUT IF WE OPEN UP THIS CAN OF WORMS, THEN IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, A DIFFERENT BALL GAME LATER ON.
UM, SO THAT'S WHERE IT'S LIKE, I LOVE THAT NO MATTER WHAT, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME THROUGH FOR CUP ANYWAYS, UM, BECAUSE IT REALLY IS BASED OFF OF, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU GONNA BE ABLE TO WRITE AN ORDINANCE TO PROTECT IT THE WAY YOU WANT TO? RIGHT.
CHASES WILL
I GUESS WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE REWRITING AN ORDINANCE ENABLEMENT, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO.
I THINK WE SHOULD AND, AND MAYBE DO SOME MORE WORK ON THE LANGUAGE.
UM, I, WHAT I'M HEARING IS WE KIND OF WANT TO BUILD OUT SOME ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS FOR THOSE THAT ARE 15 TO 30 ACRES.
UM, I WOULD MAYBE SUGGEST MAYBE LEAVING IN THE MEALS IN ENTERTAINMENT.
UM, AND THAT IS JUST BECAUSE, UM, AND MATT CAN PROBABLY ATTEST TO THIS, WE'VE GOTTEN SEVERAL CALLS ABOUT, UM, AND BY SEVERAL, I MEAN A LOT
UH, AND SO A LOT OF THOSE TYPES OF, UM, YOU KNOW, I GUESS DEVELOPERS, UH, PROSPECTIVE, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS ARE, UH, INTERESTED IN HAVING LIKE A MEALS COMPONENT, UH, CORRECT.
AND ALSO LIKE A BED AND BREAKFAST HAS MEALS.
UM, I THINK IT'S VERY COMMON FOR A HOSPITALITY USE TO
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PROVIDE FOR MEALS.AND WELL, MY POINT WAS IT, THE WAY IT READS HERE INCLUDES TEMPORARY LODGING, MEALS, ENTERTAINMENT, AND RECREATIONAL PURPOSE, UH, PUR.
UH, SO IT'S SAYING THAT THE, THE OWNER NEEDS TO HAVE TO INCLUDE THE, THE ABILITY FOR THEM TO BUY MEALS AT THEIR CENTER.
YOU'RE READING IT AS SHE'S, THEY'VE GOTTA PROVIDE.
I WOULD SAY THAT THE DEFINITION IS MORE SO SPECIFYING WHAT THE USE CAN INCLUDE, UM, WITH THE REGARD.
EVERYTHING AFTER INCLUDING IS BASICALLY LISTING OUT THINGS THAT, THAT MIGHT, THAT MIGHT BE A HOSPITALITY OR RECREATIONAL PURPOSE.
SO IT DOESN'T LIMIT THEM TO THOSE ACTIVITIES.
AND UM, ALSO WE ADDED THE OTHER SPORTS AND ACTIVITIES SO THAT WE CAN MAKE, OKAY, WELL THEN AFTER LODGING THEN INSTEAD OF JUST PUTTING A COMMA THERE AND OTHER ACTIVITIES COULD INCLUDE MEALS, ENTERTAINMENT, STUFF LIKE THAT.
I THINK THE BIGGEST THING IS TO RESTRICT THE SIZE OF THE, UH, MAIN BUILDING IF IT HAS, CORRECT.
WELL, AND WON'T THAT BE SET BY DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH? I MEAN, IT WILL, BUT IF YOU'RE APPLYING, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE DOING 25 CABINS AND THEN YOU GOT A LITTLE BIT FOR STAFF, ARE YOU STILL LETTING OTHER PE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S FAMILY REUNION AND IT IS A HUNDRED PEOPLE COMING TO THE REUNION AND 50 OF 'EM STAYING, THERE ARE THE OTHER 50 ALLOWED TO COME OVER AND THEY HAVE THE REUNION THERE.
SO THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE COULD EXCEED THE OCCUPANCY OF THE CABINS COULD.
OR YOU COULD RESTRICT IT TO WHERE IT CAN'T, BUT THERE HAS TO BE SOME KIND OF OVERALL RESTRICTING NUMBER OF PEOPLE ON PROPERTY TO MATCH THAT SEPTIC.
AND, AND THEY PROBABLY NEED TO KNOW THAT WHEN THEY APPLY FOR IT.
AND THE, THE WAY THE DRAFT ORDINANCE CURRENTLY READS, IT DOES INCLUDE UNDER SUBSECTION A SIX THAT THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF GUESTS WOULD BE SPECIFIED IN THE CONDITIONS FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND SHALL NOT EXCEED THE MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY APPROVED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
SO THE INTENT WAS TO SET IT WITH A CONDITION SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DO FOR RURAL EVENT FACILITY.
SO WHATEVER WOULD SUIT THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY MIGHT BE DIFFERENT FOR ANOTHER PROPERTY, SO, RIGHT.
AND THAT ACCOMMODATES THAT, UH, HEALTH DEPARTMENT'S ALSO GONNA HAVE HIGHER RESTRICTIONS ON, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU GONNA HAVE A RESTAURANT THAT'S OPERATING A LOT OR JUST, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING FOOD ONCE A DAY, YOU KNOW, AS A LUNCH, THAT KIND OF THING.
IS IT CATERED? DOES THE PUBLIC BATHROOM CATER THAT KIND OF THING? DAY GUESTS PER SE, OR IS IT NO DAY GUEST ALLOW, I GUESS THAT THAT STUFF WILL HAVE TO BE IDENTIFIED IN THE CDP, RIGHT? WELL THE REST, THE RESTAURANT'S ON SEPARATE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
IN, IN THIS CASE MAYBE, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT? YEAH.
ONE QUESTION I HAVE ABOUT IS, UM, IS THIS KIND OF OPEN TO ALL PROPERTY OR COULD IT POTENTIALLY BE OFF A STATE MAINTAINED ROAD? BECAUSE I KNOW FOR HER IT'S STATE MAINTAINED ROAD, BUT THEN YOU'RE OPENING UP ANOTHER OPTION OF PEOPLE WHO AREN'T ON STATE MAINTAINED, YOU KNOW, LAND TO BE ABLE BE ADOPTED, RIGHT? CORRECT.
THE SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS INCLUDE A REQUIREMENT FOR STATE MAINTAIN ROAD ACCESS, RIGHT.
TO DIRECT STATE, MAINTAIN ROAD ACCESS AND FRONTAGE.
UM, SO THAT IS A SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATION.
IF THERE'S, WHICH WOULD LIMIT, YOU KNOW, THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT COULD, YOU KNOW, AND THAT COULD BE WAIVED.
SO YEAH, THAT'S WHAT, BUT THEY WANT TO HAVE THAT WITHIN THE DEFINITION THAT WOULDN'T BE WAIVED.
SO IT, YOU KNOW, IT MAY BE THE THOUGHT, WHERE DO YOU WANNA SEE THESE, YOU WANNA SEE ACCESS OFF STATE ROADS AND NO EXEMPTION FROM THAT.
SO WE COULD LOOK AT DOING THAT IF THAT'S A THOUGHT.
BUT I DO THINK THAT THAT COULD OPEN UP A WHOLE NOTHER, YOU KNOW, UH, YEAH.
I'M, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO IT, IT SUPPORT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT I'D BE AGAINST IT IF IT'S THE RIGHT WORD, IF ITS THE RAILROAD.
BUT I'M SAYING, I'M SAYING PUT IT IN THE DEFINITION SO IT, IT CAN'T BE WAIVED.
YOU HAVE TO BE ON A STATE ROAD.
YOU WANT PUT IN THE DEFINITION WHERE IT'S GOTTA BE OR DO YOU WANT THE OPTION TO WAIVE IT? I WANT THE OPTION TO WAIVE IT.
'CAUSE I THINK THAT IT BASED, IT WOULD VARY BASED OFF OF, YOU KNOW, TO ME PERSONALLY, AND I DON'T, I MEAN, YOU GUYS CAN SPEAK, I JUST KNOW THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF MOUNTAIN PROPERTIES AND EVERYTHING THAT PEOPLE WOULD POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, WE GET A LOT OF POE HERE CORRECT.
WELL, SO ARE WE LOOKING AT TABLE AND, WELL, I GUESS THE QUESTION FOR STAFF IS, IS A MONTH GOOD? YEAH, I COULD DEFINITELY WORK ON THIS AND HAVE SOMETHING FOR YOU NEXT MONTH.
UM, JUST TO BE CLEAR THOUGH, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GOOD WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S HERE.
WE JUST WANT MORE, WE WANT MORE RESTRICTIONS ON THE LOTS 15 TO 30 ACRES IN SIZE.
CAN, I MEAN, I GUESS MY PREFERENCE TOO WOULD BE TO SEE A LARGER, YOU
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KNOW, FOR OUR LIKE LARGE CATEGORY, MORE THAN 30 ACRES.YOU KNOW, TO ME MAYBE, MAYBE A SEPARATE DEFINITION IS A, A SMALL ACREAGE, LARGE ACREAGE, RURAL RESENTMENT.
UH, YOU KNOW, IF WE COULD LOOK AT THAT AS FAR AS THE DEFINITION AND JUST HAVE IT FURTHER DIVINE THAT WAY.
I, I'M HESITANT TO DECIDE IN THE MEETING ON EXACTLY WHAT THE RIGHT WAY, BUT YEAH, GO BACK AND TALK ABOUT IT AND TRY TO WORK.
UH, UH, WHAT'S THIS, UH, MR. CHAIR? I PROPOSE, UH, SORRY, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVED AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION TABLE, APPLICATION Z 2 0 2 4 DASH FIVE DASH ZERO TWO RURAL RESORT CENTER UNTIL THE JULY, UH, PLANNING, COMMISSIONING MEETING SECOND.
NEED TO AMEND THAT 'CAUSE WE'RE, OH S**T, I'M WRONG.
I'M SURE WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT MONTH.
THAT WAS MARKED OFF THE WRONG
[VII.D. R2024-05-01 - Turker Investments, LLC - Greenway Engineering - A request to amend the Warren County Zoning Map to rezone a 5.0-acre parcel from Agricultural (A) to Commercial (C). The property is located at the corner of Cabin Ct. and Rte. 340-522N and identified on tax map 12 as lot 33. The property is located in the North River Magisterial District and the proposed land-uses are for mixed commercial. The future land use zoning map in the Comprehensive Plan identifies the parcel for Commercial (C) zoning. - Matt Wendling, Planning Director]
TUCKER R 20 24 0 5 0 1 INVESTMENTS, LLC GREENWAY ENGINEERING REQUEST TO AMEND WARREN COUNTY ZONING MAP TO REZONE FIVE ACRE PARCEL FROM AGRICULTURAL TO COMMERCIAL PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE CORNER OF CABIN COURT AND ROUTE 3 45 22 NORTH IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 12 IS LOT 38 33, I'M SORRY, PROPERTY IS LOCATED NORTH RIVER MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT AND A PROPOSED LAND USE OF MIXED COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE ZONING MAP AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN INDICATES THE PARCEL FOR COMMERCIAL ZONING.MR. WENDLING? YES, THE SUBJECT PAR PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT.
UM, IT'S NORTH OF CABIN COURT CURRENT AND, UM, THE RESIDENTIAL ONE ZONED AREA OF HILL AND DALE SUBDIVISION.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING, UH, THE REZONING OF THIS PROPERTY, AGAIN, AS YOU MENTIONED, FOR MIXED COMMERCIAL USES.
THEIR CONCEPT PLAN SHOWS THAT A RESTAURANT WITH RETAIL LAND USES WOULD BE A PART OF THIS.
THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A, I SHOULD SAY THEIR ENGINEER HAS SUBMITTED A, A REVISED CONCEPT PLAN THAT SHOWS A INTERCONNECTOR PARCEL ROAD THROUGH THE CENTER PORTION OF THE PROPERTY THAT, UM, WOULD BE, UH, MEET THE COMPLIANCE FOR OUR, UM, PARALLEL CONNECTOR ROAD IN OUR FUTURE LAND USE PLAN.
UM, IN, IN BEING ABLE TO, UH, CONTINUE THAT NORTHWARD PARALLEL CONNECTOR FROM, UM, CROOKED RUN PLAZA.
UM, THE APPLICANT, GREENWAY ENGINEERING, UM, HAS, UH, SUBMITTED ALSO COMMUNITY ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENTS WITH THIS, UH, APPLICATION ALONG WITH THAT REVISED PLAN.
AND, UM, A SET OF SIGNED PROFFERS, WHICH THEY RECENTLY, UH, SUBMITTED WITH A REVISION FOR THE, UH, UH, CASH PROFFERS TO BE, UM, ZERO, WELL, 12 CENT PER, UH, DEVELOPED BUILDING SQUARE FOOT TO BE USED FOR NORTH WARREN FIRE DEPARTMENT, UH, COUNTY FIRE AND RESCUE SERVICES.
UM, THE LAND USES THEMSELVES ARE NOT SPECIFIED AS TO WHAT THEY WANT TO PROHIBIT, BUT THERE IS, THEY HAVE ADDRESSED IT, UH, IN NUMBER A OF THE PROFFER, UH, RELATING TO, UH, WEEKDAY TRAFFIC GENERATION TRIPS NOT TO EXCEED 4,999.
IF, UH, THEY DID EXCEED THAT, THERE WOULD BE, UH, A TIA THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED.
UM, THEY ALSO ARE PROVIDING, UH, REZONING SITE PLAN, UH, PROFFERS AND TRANSPORTATION ENHANCEMENT PROFFERS.
THIS PROPER STATEMENT HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO YOU.
UM, THIS APPLICATION DOES MEET A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, OBJECTIVE FOR LOCAL INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN DEFINED AREAS AND THAT THE PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT AND SHALL BE REQUIRED TO MEET THE STANDARDS OUTLINED IN THE CORRIDOR OVER OVERLAY DISTRICT ORDINANCE.
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WERE SUBMITTED TO, UH, VDOT AND THE COUNTY ATTORNEY FOR REVIEW.AND, UM, UH, AND THAT'S REALLY ABOUT ALL I HAVE.
THE APPLICANT'S, UH, UH, REPRESENTATIVE FROM GREENWAY ENGINEERING, MARISSA WHITAKER IS HERE, UH, TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY YOU MIGHT HAVE.
ANYTHING TO ADD TO THE COUNTY COMMENTS? UH, NOT AT THIS TIME.
I'M SURE YOU ALL ARE GONNA HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.
WITH THAT, THIS PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
ANYONE SIGN UP TO SPEAK? ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK FOR AGAINST PUBLIC HEARING'S CLOSED? LOOKS LIKE IT'S A GOOD FIT AND A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO ME.
THE ONE QUESTION I HAVE IS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC COUNT, BECAUSE YOU GOT THE GAS STATION, YOU'VE ADDED THE, IN THE SECOND, THERE'S TWO, THERE'S TWO, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? CONCEPT PLANS, NOT THE CONCEPT PLAN, BUT THERE YOU HAVE TWO DIFFERENT TABLES AND ONE HAS A GAS STATION AND NONE OF THE BUILDINGS THAT THEY'RE ANTICIPATING, THEY'RE PUTTING GAS STATIONS IN.
SO OUR ORIGINAL CONCEPT PLAN, WE DID NOT HAVE A SPECIFIED USE.
SO, UM, VDOT DID A TABLE THAT HAD THE HIGHEST TRIP GENERATIONS.
SO WHEN WE DID THE REVISION BASED OFF THEIR COMMENTS, WE SET A ACTUAL USE, WHICH WAS OFFICE RETAIL WITH, SO THAT IT, AND THEN WITH THAT, WE WENT AND PROFFERED THAT WE WOULDN'T EXCEED THE 4,999.
UM, WHAT VDOT WAS TRYING TO DO WAS JUST TO HAVE THE HIGHEST USE TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING WAS COVERED.
SO WHEN WE DID SET THE USE, THAT TABLE KIND OF WAS ELIMINATED.
'CAUSE THE GAS STATION'S GONNA GET A HECK OF A LOT MORE TRAFFIC.
I THINK THEY DID WHAT TWO DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANTS AND A CONVENIENCE STORE IS WHAT THEY HAD HAD RIGHT.
USED TO BASE THEIR, THEIR TRIP GENERATION OFF OF JUST TO SEE WHAT KIND OF USE THEY WOULD GET IF, IF WE PUT IN THOSE HIGH DAILY USE ITEMS. WELL, GIVEN THE LOCATION, I KNOW ONE COMMUNITY'S GONNA LOVE THAT BREW PUB,
UM, SO I SAW ON THE, UM, ON THE REPORT OR, UM, IT TALKS, I, I KNOW THIS IS A REZONING, IT'S NOT, UH, THE USE, BUT IT TALKS ABOUT, UM, PROPOSED RESTAURANT STRIP RETAIL CENTER BREW PUB WITH DRIVE-THROUGH BEER LIQUOR STORE, WHICH ARE BUYRIGHT LAND USES.
UM, A SHOPPING CENTER IS A COMMER IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IN THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO I I I THINK WHAT, AT LEAST WHAT IS SHOWN ON THE, UM, CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT WOULD, WOULD REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, RIGHT? THE SIX UNIT STRIP RETAIL CENTER.
UM, WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BIG ENOUGH TO BE CONSIDERED A SHOPPING CENTER MALL.
WE, I DON'T THINK WE, UM, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A SIZE LIMIT ON WHAT A SHOPPING CENTER IS.
IT IS JUST, UM, SEE WHAT WE GOT HERE.
UM, THERE'S FIVE MORE ESTABLISHMENT.
SO THIS WOULD BE UNDER THAT AMOUNT.
UM, WHAT DEFINITION? OH, OKAY.
GROUP OF FIVE OR MORE COMMERCIAL RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS.
SO, UM, AS BY RIGHT USE, UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THIS AFTER, UH, STAFF AND STATE AGENCIES AND AND COUNTY AGENT, COUNTY DEPARTMENT BUILDING INSPECTIONS HAD REVIEW IT, REVIEWED IT.
SO IF THEY CAME THROUGH WITH A BUYRIGHT SITE PLAN FOR ANY OF ANY CONFIGURATION HERE, UH, YOU WOULD HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW IT FOR FINAL APPROVAL.
UM, YOU KNOW, AT THE, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I THINK, UH, THE CHALLENGES THAT, UH, THE APPLICANT'S GONNA FACE IS SOME OF THE TRANSPORTATION RELATED, UH, UH, DEVELOPMENT THERE.
AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE PROPERTY ENTRANCE TO THE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY WOULD BE A SHARED USE WITH, UH, PROPERTY TO THE NORTH OF THAT.
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UH, THAT PROPERTY AS A POTENTIAL, UH, FUTURE LAND USE FOR COMMERCIAL MM-HMM.SO, AND THAT IS DIRECTLY IN LINE WITH THAT CROSSOVER THERE AT, UH, 3 45 22.
I, I, I THINK THE USE AS COMMERCIAL FITS THE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT'S SHOWN ON THE CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT YEAH.
SO, SO YOU'RE JUST, YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE, YOU'RE INTERPRETING THE OFFICE SUITES AS A NO, THE TOP AS SEPARATE UNITS.
THE, UM, THE TOP OF THE, THE WEST BUILDING PLANT NORTH, UH, THE SIX UNIT STRIP RETAIL SIX UNIT.
UH, WELL, WE WOULD MAKE A DETERMINATION ON THAT AND WE WOULD BRING IT FORTH AS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
UH, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, EASY ENOUGH COMMERCIAL, I THINK, UH, EITHER WAY, IF IT WAS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, BOTH YOU AND THE BOARD WOULD'VE AN OPPORTUNITY IF IT'S BY RIGHT.
PLANNING COMMISSION WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN ON THE SITE PLAN.
MAIN THING THAT CONCERNS ME IN HERE, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD ENFORCE IT, IS WE'RE SAYING IT'S LIMITED TO 4,999 VEHICLES PER DAY.
IS SOMEONE GONNA BE OUT THERE WITH A CLICKER
I, I THINK WHAT WE DO IS WE LOOK AT THE, THE SITE PLAN AS IT WOULD BE SUBMITTED AND WE SUBMIT IT TO VDOT AND WE JUST SAY, WHAT ARE YOUR, WHAT ARE YOUR COMMENTS ON THIS? AND THEY, THEY COULD REQUIRE A TIA IF IT, IF THEY FELT, AND THEIR NUMBERS SHOWED THAT IT WAS ANYWHERE NEAR, UH, THAT 5,000 MARK, THEY POTENTIALLY COULD REQUEST A TIA.
WE'VE HAD SOME IN THIS AREA ALREADY AS PART OF OUR STAR STUDY AND, AND SOME OTHER APPLICATIONS.
UH, I MEAN, I CERTAINLY, WE COULDN'T MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT THEIR COMMENTS, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT WHAT THEY WOULD WANT TO SEE.
UM, AND THEY POTENTIALLY COULD SEE, WE POTENTIALLY COULD SEE WHAT, AND WE'VE IDENTIFIED SOME OF IT IN THE, THE PROFFERS AND IN THEIR STATEMENTS, SOME OF THE, UH, ROAD FRONTAGE IMPROVEMENTS AS WE'VE SEEN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER SOUTH WITH, UH, MARLOW AND SILO PROPERTY.
AS I SAID, THE ONLY THING I'M GETTING AT IS I KNOW THIS COMMUNITY IS CLAMORED FOR SEVERAL FAST FOODIES FOR YEARS, AND IF ONE OF THESE GOES IN HERE, 5,000 VEHICLES A DAY IS NOTHING.
IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT DOES, BUT
MAYBE THE ENGINEER, MAYBE, UH, MS. WHITAKER COULD ADDRESS THAT.
SO, UM, IN THE PROFFERS WE HAVE STATED THAT WITH EVERY SITE PLAN WE'RE GONNA DO A TABULATION BASED ON THE USE THAT IS GOING IN.
SO FOR EACH SITE PLAN THAT THERE WILL BE A TABLE AND ALL THE SITE PLANS WILL BE LISTED IN THERE THAT HAVE THE USE AND THE, THE VDOT CALCULATION FOR THE TRIPS PER DAY.
SO THEY'LL BE TALLIED FOR EACH SITE PLAN THAT'S DONE.
THAT TABLE WILL STAY ON THE SITE PLANS UNTIL THE SITE IS BILLED OUT.
SO WE'LL HAVE A RUNNING NUMBER BASED OFF VO CALCULATIONS OF THE TRIPS PER DAY PER USE GOING TO THAT SITE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE, BECAUSE THAT WAS, WE KNEW THAT THAT WAS GOING TO BE A CONCERN, SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE AT LEAST WERE CATCHING IT THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PROCESS.
PLEASE REQUEST FINDING THAT THE REQUESTED REZONING IS APPROPRIATE.
FOR PUBLIC NECESSITY AND IS IN GOOD ZONING PRACTICE.
I MOVE IT TO PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD SUPERVISORS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST TO REZONE AND CHANGE THE ZONING MAP CLASSIFICATIONS OF THE PROPERTY IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 12 AS PARCEL 33 FROM AGRICULTURE TO COMMERCIAL.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
AS HAVE IT TO BE FOR ON THE BOARD SUPERVISORS.
[VII.E. SV2024-05-01 - Subdivision Variance - Samuel & Margaret Smith - A request for a variance from Warren County Code §155-3.B(1)(b) of the Subdivision Ordinance to allow the voluntary transfer of a proposed family subdivision lot to an immediate family member within the required five (5) years of having held fee simple title to the property. The property is located at (0) Coe Drive and identified on tax map 19, as lot 120D. The property is zoned Agricultural (A) and located in the Sam-Mag Properties subdivision adjacent to the Twin Oaks Mobile Home Park in the North River Magisterial District. - Matt Wendling, Planning Director]
SV 20 24 0 5 0 1 SUBDIVISION VARIANCE.SAMUEL AND MARGARET SMITH, REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE FROM WARREN COUNTY CODE SUBSECTION 1 55 DASH THREE B ONE B OF THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE TO ALLOW FOR A VOLUNTARY TRANSFER PROPOSED FAMILY SUBDIVISION LOT TO AN IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBER
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WITHIN THE REQUIRED FIVE YEARS OF HAVING HELD FEE.SIMPLE TITLE OF THE PROPERTY PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT CO DRIVE IDENTIFIED IN TAX MAP 19 AS LOT ONE 20 D PROPERTY IS OWNED AGRICULTURAL LOCATED IN THE SAM MAG PROPERTY SUBDIVISION ADJACENT TO THE TWIN OAKS MOBILE HOME PARK IN NORTH RIVER MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.
UH, THE APPLICANTS ORIGINALLY ACQUIRED THIS PROPERTY FROM ELVIN COE IN DECEMBER OF 1986.
UH, IT WAS OPERATED AS THE TWIN OAKS MOBILE HOME ENTITLED IN THEIR NAMES.
UM, THEN AFTER 12 YEARS, THEY TRANSFERRED THE DEED TO THEIR BUSINESS NAME, THE SANDBAG PROPERTIES LLC IN 1998 FOR LIABILITY REASONS AND BECAUSE THE ADDITIONAL 10 ACRES WERE ADDED TO THE ORIGINAL 47.72 ACRE PARCEL FOR A TOTAL OF 57.72 ACRES.
UH, THEY HAVE OPERATED THE, UH, MOBILE HOME PARK SINCE THEN AND HAVE HAD A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT ACTUALLY ISSUED TO THEM TO ALLOW THEM, I BELIEVE, FOR ADDITIONAL 12 UH, SITES.
THEY'VE HAD SIX OF THEM PUT IN AND THEY HAVE SIX ADDITIONAL SITES PUT IN.
UM, IN AUGUST OF 2023, THEY APPLIED FOR A, AN EXEMPT SUBDIVISION TO SUBDIVIDE 21.16 ACRES OFF OF PARENT TRACKED, WHICH AT THAT TIME WAS DEEDED BACK IN THEIR NAMES.
AND THEIR INTENT WAS TO HAVE THAT 21.16 ACRES SUBDIVIDED AGAIN, UH, FOR THEIR, FOR FAMILY MEMBERS, FOR THEIR GRANDCHILDREN, UH, AS PART OF THEIR LEGACY TO THEIR GRANDCHILDREN.
UH, IT WAS IN THE COUNTY'S OPINION THAT THE DATE FOR HAVING THE FEE SIMPLE TITLE TO THE PROPERTY START AT THE LAST THREE COORDINATION OF THE DEED, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN AUGUST, 2023.
BUT AS I MENTIONED, THE APPLICANTS WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SUBDIVIDE THIS PROPERTY THIS YEAR IN ORDER TO, UM, TO DEED THOSE LOTS TO THE FAMILY SUBDIVISION.
UH, AS THEY'VE EXPRESSED, UH, UH, WELL, MR. SMITH SMITH EXPRESSED I'M NO SPRING CHICKEN.
UH, SO, UH, HE, UH, WOULD, UM, LIKE TO DO THAT WITH HIS WIFE.
UM, AND THEY, UH, HAVE AGREED TO THE CONDITION, UH, THAT, UM, THE LOT SHALL NOT BE VOLUNTARILY TRANSFERRED TO A NON IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBER FOR NINE YEARS AFTER APPROVAL OF THE FAMILY SUBDIVISION PLAT.
THIS WOULD BE IN LIEU OF THE REQUIRED FIVE YEARS AND MAKE THE TOTAL TIMEFRAME APPROXIMATELY 10 YEARS.
SO FOR THE INTENT OF THE, UH, FAMILY SUBDIVISION THAT 10 YEAR WINDOW IS BEING MET, UH, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THAT CONDITION.
THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO BE ABLE TO DO THE SUBDIVISION, UH, FOR THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS AND, UH, BE ABLE TO DEED THOSE LOTS TO THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS.
THESE ARE RIVER LOTS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE BUILT ONE AT SOME POINT IN TIME, UM, BUT THEY JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT OPTION TO BE ABLE TO, UM, GIFT THOSE TO THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS.
UM, THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE THIS EVENING AND WE'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY, I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE, UM, UH, REGARDING THE APPLICATION.
DO THE APPLICANTS HAVE ANYTHING THEY WISH TO ADD TO MR. WENDLING COMMENTS? HI, I'M MARGARET.
I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD.
OH, BY THE WAY, SHE'S NOT THE ONE I WAS REFERRING TO.
SHE, SHE'S GETTING YOUNGER EVERY TIME I SEE HER, SHE, SHE APPEARS TO BE A SPRING CHAIR.
IT'S HER HUSBAND'S ABSOLUTELY
UM, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD.
EVERY, HE, HE EXPLAINED IT PERFECTLY.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THOUGH, I WE WILL, WE'LL COME IN TOUCH WITH YOU.
I WON'T GO TO THE OBVIOUS OF OLD BUZZARD EITHER, SO I'M GETTING THERE MYSELF, BUT WITH THAT PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
ANYONE SIGN UP? ALLISON WOULDN'T CARE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST PUBLIC HEARINGS CLOSED.
SO BASICALLY WHEN WE DID THE FAMILY SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, IF YOU BOUGHT A PIECE OF PROPERTY, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO KEEP IT FIVE YEARS BEFORE YOUR FAMILY SUBDIVIDE IT.
AND THEN WHEN YOU DO, THEY KEEP IT FIVE MM-HMM.
SHIFTING IT A LITTLE, THE FAMILY THAT THEY TRANSFER TO HAS JUST GOTTA KEEP IT THE ADDITIONAL TIME TO GET IT OUT TO THE 10.
THEY HAVE TO KEEP IT THAT ADDITIONAL TIME AND THEY DO HAVE TO BE 12 YEARS OR OLDER.
UM, AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A DEFINITION WITHIN THAT
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DEFINITION WE HAVE WHO CAN THAT BE DE DEEDED TO OR GIFTED TO? SO AS A FAMILY, I, I THINK THE INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE WAS JUST TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM SUBDIVIDED PROPERTY FOR PROFIT JUST TO SELL OFF.AND, UH, WELL, IN THIS CASE, IT IT IS BEEN IN THEIR NAME OR THEIR OWN CORPORATION.
IT'S OBVIOUS THIS IS ALL IN YOUR INTENTION.
I I I THINK THE TIME'S FAIR TRADE OFF.
I, I GUESS I, I WOULD I POINT OUT THE SUBSTANTIAL INJUSTICE OR HARDSHIP THAT'S REQUIRED AS A THRESHOLD FOR VARIANCE? AND I DON'T KNOW THAT I, I GUESS THE, THE QUESTION IS WHAT, WHAT IS THE HARDSHIP THAT THEY'RE, THAT THEY'RE FACING? UM, THE, THE FINAL OUTCOME'S THE SAME.
I GUESS THE HARDSHIP WAS THEY MIGHT NOT LIVE LONG ENOUGH TO GET IT DONE.
WHERE IS IT? UM, WELL, SHALL NOT.
UH, SO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS SHALL CONSIDER EACH CASE ON ITS OWN MERITS AND SHALL NOT GRANT VARIANCES TO THESE REGULATIONS UNLESS THERE'S PROOF THAT A SUBSTANTIAL INJUSTICE OR HARDSHIP AS DEFINED BELOW EXISTS.
AND, AND SO A QUESTION, IT'S UNJUST THAT THEY CAN'T GIVE THIS PROPERTY TO THEIR GRANDKIDS NOW, IN MY OPINION.
BUT, BUT WHAT IS THE HARDSHIP? I MEAN, IT CAN'T BE, IT CAN'T BE FINANCIAL HARDSHIP OR UNJUST, BUT IT CAN'T BE FINANCIAL IN NATURE AND IT CAN'T BE SELF-INFLICTED IT.
IT'S, IT, IT IS A, IT IS AN UNJUST THAT THEY CANNOT GIVE FAMILY PROPERTY TO ANOTHER FAMILY MEMBER.
I HAVE TO WAIT ANOTHER FOUR YEARS.
AND NOT ONLY THAT, THE LACK OF ACTUAL PROPERTY THAT'S IN THE AREA.
IF THEY WERE TO GO TO TRY TO FIND SOMETHING AT THE COST OF TODAY'S ECONOMY, I THINK THAT THAT IS A HARDSHIP AND AN INJUSTICE.
IF YOU WERE TO ASK, I I WOULD LIKE THEM TO BE ABLE TO GIVE THE PROPERTY TO THEIR CHILDREN.
I JUST
WELL, IF THEY DON'T, WHAT'S THE OTHER SOLUTION? WELL, PART, YOU LOOK AT PART OF THE INJUSTICE IS THE WAY THAT THE LAW READS BECAUSE THEY TRANSFERRED IT FROM THEIR PERSONAL OWNERSHIP TO THEIR, THEIR PERSONAL COMPANY'S OWNERSHIP.
BUT YOU WOULD ARGUE THAT DIFFERENT IF THE COURT WAS TRYING TO TAKE THE PROPERTY WHEN IT, YOU KNOW, IF IF YOU HAD A LAWSUIT AGAINST YOU PERSONALLY AND IT WAS IN YOUR COMPANY'S NAME, YOU'D HAVE A PROBLEM IF SOMEBODY WAS TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE THE PROPERTY 'CAUSE YOU OWED A MONEY.
I MEAN, THERE IS A, A SEPARATION BETWEEN RIGHT.
THEY'RE NOT NO CRIMINAL INTENT HERE.
I JUST, IF IT IS THE ORDINANCE AND THE ORDINANCE STATES SHALL NOT BE, UNLESS THERE'S SUBSTANTIAL INJUSTICE OR HARDSHIP, THEN I THINK THAT THRESHOLD HAS TO BE MET.
I, I THINK IT'S MET IT FOR INJUSTICE.
AND THAT'S THE WAY I'M GONNA VOTE.
BECAUSE THEY'VE OWNED, THEY'VE OWNED THE PROPERTY IN MY EYES FOR 40 YEARS.
SO IT'D BE AN UNJUST FOR THEM NOT TO BE ABLE TO GIVE IT TO A FAMILY.
I WOULD SAY THEY HAVE NOT OWNED THE PROPERTY FOR
BUT I TAKE YOUR POINT, AND, YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS IS GONNA GO THROUGH.
SO I, I LIKE THE NINE YEARS SO THAT WE GET TO THE 10 YEARS.
I WILL VOTE NO FOR IT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT MEETS THE ORDINANCE, BUT FAIR ENOUGH.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? TAKE A MOTION, PLEASE.
FINDING THAT THE VARIANCE REQUEST MEETS CRITERIA REQUIRED BY THE WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION 1 55 DASH ONE EIGHT.
I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THIS REQUEST TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR THE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE REQUEST OF SAMUEL OR MARGARET SMITH TO ALLOW FOR A VARIANCE FROM CODE SECTION 1 1 15 DASH THREE B ONE B TO ALLOW A FAMILY SUBDIVISION PRIOR TO THE PROPERTY OWNER HAVING HELD FEE, SIMPLE TITLE TO THE PROPERTY FOR FIVE YEARS WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE LOT NOT BE VOLUNTARY, TRANSFERRED TO NON IMMEDIATELY FAMILY MEMBERS FOR NINE YEARS AFTER APPROVAL OF THE FAMILY SUBDIVISION PLAT IN LIEU OF THE REQUIRED FIVE YEARS.
AYES HAVE IT BE FORWARDED ONTO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, I'M GUESSING IN ABOUT A MONTH.
OUR NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA WAS THE LATE, WAS THE LATE AD.
I DO NOT HAVE THE AGENDA NUMBER OR ANY OF THAT KIND OF THING, BUT IT'S REQUEST FROM WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, CRYSTAL KLEIN FOR A FIREARMS TRAINING FACILITY OFF OF SHANGRILA ROAD, MR. WINING.
UH, THIS WOULD WAS A REQUEST MADE ACTUALLY, UH, TODAY.
UM, AND THEY'VE SUBMITTED SOME INFORMATION WITH A MEMO LETTER.
UM, WELL, SORRY, SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
SOLELY WHERE ARE WE ADDING THIS TO? THE CONSENT AGENDA? YEAH, THIS IS JUST A CONSENT AGENDA ITEM.
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I, I MEAN, I'LL, I'LL ADDRESS IT AND THEN WE CAN JUST OKAY.ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, WE WILL, UH, OH, IF IT'S A CONSENT AGENDA, THEN, THEN MOVE ON.
THEN THAT'S THEN WITH THAT, WELL HOLD ON.
WE'RE DONE WITH THE PUBLIC HEARINGS BUSINESS, THE CONTRACT.
YEAH, WE'RE DONE WITH THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND NOW WE HAVE
[VIII.A. Discussion & Recommendation to Board of Supervisors - Termination Procedures for CUP2023-04- 02 - Discussion of termination procedures for a conditional use permit for a short-term tourist rental for the property located at 259 Cashmere Court and identified on tax map 23A, section 8, block 47, as parcel 38A. The property is zoned Residential-One (R-1) and is located in the Happy Creek Magisterial District. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator]
THE NEW BUSINESS ITEM.DISCUSSION AND RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TERMINATION PROCEDURES FOR CUP 20 23 0 4 0 2.
DISCUSSION OF TERMINATION PROCEDURES OF CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2 59 CASHMERE COURT.
IDENTIFIED TAX MAP 23 A SECTION EIGHT BLOCK 47 AS PARCEL 38 A.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED R ONE RESIDENTIAL LOCATED IN HAPPY CREEK MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 20 23 0 4 0 2 FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL AT 2 5 9.
CASHMERE COURT WAS APPROVED AND ISSUED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON JULY 18TH, 2023.
SINCE THAT DATE, PLANNING STAFF HAS RECEIVED A TOTAL OF EIGHT SEPARATE INCIDENT REPORTS FROM THE WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, FIVE OF WHICH DOCUMENT SEPARATE VIOLATIONS OF WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION 180 DASH 56.4 C, WHICH RESTRICTS THE PARKING OF VEHICLES IN OR ALONG RIGHTS AWAY, UH, FOR SHORT TERM TOUR RENTALS.
THE INCIDENT REPORTS WERE REQUESTED BY PLANNING STAFF ON MONDAY, FEBRUARY 26TH, 2024.
UPON RECEIPT OF A COMPLAINT FOR WHICH THE COMPLAINANT INDICATED THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE WAS CONTACTED, UH, PLANNING STAFF IMMEDIATELY CONTACTED THE APPLICANT, ENCOURAGED THEM TO TAKE MEASURES TO ENFORCE THE PARKING RESTRICTIONS TO RESOLVE THIS ISSUE.
UH, PLANNING STAFF RECEIVED A FINAL INCIDENT REPORT DATED APRIL 27TH, 2024, CONFIRMING A FIFTH VIOLATION OF THIS CODE SECTION.
UH, AND UPON RECEIPT OF THE FINAL INCIDENT REPORT PLANNING, STAFF INITIATED CONDITIONAL USE TERMINATION PROCEDURES, UH, ATTACHED IS THE REQUIRED NOTICE OF TERMINATION PROCEDURES LETTERED ISSUE ISSUE TO THE APPLICANT ON APRIL 29TH, 2024.
UH, WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION 180 DASH 56, OR I'M SORRY, 63 H TWO C, LISTS REPEATED VIOLATIONS OF OTHER PROVISIONS IN THE CODE OF WARREN COUNTY AS A REASON FOR WHICH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MAY TERMINATE AN ACTIVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PRIOR TO HOLDING A PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THE PLANNING COMMISSION MUST DISCUSS THE PROPOSED TERMINATION AND VOTE ON A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
UH, I INCLUDED THE WHOLE CODE SECTION FOR THE TERMINATION PROCEDURES, UH, IN MY STAFF REPORT.
UM, AND, UH, IT APPEARS THAT I DID ACTUALLY MISS UPDATING AN ITEM ON MY COVER SHEET AS THE APPLICANT DID SUBMIT A RESPONSE.
UH, AND THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE, UH, PACKET.
UM, SO THAT'S ALL, ALL THE INFORMATION IS THERE.
I BASICALLY JUST GROUPED IT UP, PUT IT IN THE PACKET FOR YOU TO DIGEST EVERYTHING.
UM, UH, BUT JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS IS JUST A DISCUSSION AND RECOMMENDATION, SO IT IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, AND SO THERE WAS NO ADVERTISING OTHER THAN FOR THE MEETING.
UM, BUT I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
THE, UH, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS ARE HERE THIS EVENING, UH, FOR ANY, UH, QUESTIONS OR TO HEAR THEIR SIDE
UH, AND I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING.
UM, UP HERE, SIR, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
UH, THERE IS A LOT OF INFORMATION IN THAT PACKET.
WE SAW IT A COUPLE WEEKS AGO ONLY WHEN WE REQUESTED IT, UH, WHICH IS IN LINE WITH WHAT WE INCLUDE IN THAT MEMO ABOUT THE ABSENCE OF COMMUNICATION THAT WE'VE GOTTEN FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT OR THE SHERIFF OR OUR NEIGHBORS, REALLY.
AND WHILE I HOPE YOU'RE ABLE TO REVIEW THEM, I DON'T WANT YOU TO BE OVERWHELMED BY THE VOLUME OF IT, BECAUSE SO MUCH OF IT IS DEMONSTRABLY UNSUBSTANTIATED.
UH, WE LEARNED THAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WITH THE ZONING COMPLAINT FORMS HAS NO WAY OF VERIFYING THE INFORMATION.
IT JUST GOES INTO A FILE WHICH ENDED UP IN YOUR PACKET, AND I CAN BREAK DOWN IF NECESSARY, HOW MANY OF THE COMPLAINTS JUST AREN'T SUBSTANTIATED WITH FACTS.
BUT I ALSO WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE AS OF TODAY, BECAUSE IN THAT MEMO THERE'S A SECTION CALLED, UH, THE SOLUTION SECTION WHERE WE HAVE IDENTIFIED THE CAUSES OF PARKING VIOLATIONS AND LAID OUT THE SOLUTIONS WE'VE DONE HISTORICALLY AND ARE STILL IN PROCESS.
BUT AS OF TODAY, ACTUALLY AN UPDATE TO NUMBER THREE IN THAT MEMO, UH, SKYLAND IS, WELL, MR. LL, UH, THE NEIGHBOR WHO'S MADE ALL OF THE POLICE COMPLAINTS MOVED HIS TRAILER, THAT AND THE HOARDED MATERIALS FROM THE ROAD, UH, WHICH HAS BEEN BLOCKED.
AND I ORIGINALLY REQUESTED TO BE DONE LAST JULY, SO THIS
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IS ALMOST A YEAR LATER.UH, IT WAS FINALLY DONE TODAY.
THERE IS A GRAPHIC ON THE MEMO THAT SHOWS YOU HOW THAT TRAILER PLAYS INTO THE PARKING ISSUES THAT WE'VE HAD.
AND NUMBER TWO, SKYLAND ESTATES BEGAN PAVING THE ENTIRETY OF THE ROAD, WHICH HAS UP UNTIL NOW BEEN NEGLECTED, WHICH, UH, PREVENTED IT FROM BEING PLOWED, UH, PREVENTED DEGRADING FROM BEING DONE CORRECTLY AND ACCESSING THE FLAT PART OF OUR LOT FOR PEOPLE THAT WERE UNABLE TO MAKE IT UP THE DRIVEWAY AND GOT CONFUSED BY THE CARS AND TRAILERS PARKED ON THE STREET BY THE NEIGHBORS AND DID THE SAME THING.
SO, TO REITERATE SOMETHING THAT'S IN THE MEMO TO ONE NEIGHBOR WHO'S MADE ALL OF THE POLICE COMPLAINTS ABOUT PEOPLE PARKING HALFWAY ONTO THE STREET HAS DURING THAT ENTIRE TIME, HAD A TRAILER PARKED HALFWAY ON THE STREET PREVENTING THEM TO GET TO THE FLAT PART OF OUR LAND.
THIS DEVELOPMENT, COMBINED WITH THE OTHER MEASURES THAT ARE IN THAT MEMO, UH, LAID OUT VERY CLEARLY, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, IS VERY LIKELY TO PREVENT ANY OF THE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN COMPLAINED ABOUT FROM REOCCURRING.
IF YOU READ A DOCUMENT THAT'S INCLUDED IN THAT PACKET, UH, THE NEIGHBOR LETTER IS VERY PREDICATED ON CHARACTER ATTACKS AND HAS A SLEW OF DEMONSTRABLY FALSE STATEMENTS THAT I COULD GET INTO NOW.
BUT I THINK THAT I'LL JUST FOCUS ON THE THING THAT STOOD OUT TO ME THE MOST WITH RELEVANCE TO YOUR OPINION ON THIS MATTER.
THAT LETTER SAYS THE NEIGHBORS OF THE SIX PEOPLE THAT SIGNED THE LETTER, FIVE OF THEM HAVE NEVER SPOKEN ONE WORD OR WRITTEN ONE WORD TO US DIRECTLY.
WE'VE NEVER MET THEM, NEVER TALKED TO THEM.
IN THAT LETTER, THEY SAY THAT THEY HAVE COMPLAINED TO US DIRECTLY ON THE PHONE MULTIPLE TIMES, AND THAT WE'VE HUNG UP ON THEM.
THIS IS TO CHARACTERIZE US AS IRRESPONSIBLE NEIGHBORS, BUT WE HAVE OUR PHONE RECORDS.
THIS HAS NEVER HAPPENED IN THE MEMO.
I REALLY WANTED TO EMPHASIZE THAT THIS IS, I WAS SPECULATING THAT THIS IS LARGELY ORCHESTRATED BY ONE NEIGHBOR WHO WANTS EXCLUSIVE CONTROL OF THE STREET.
UH, HE TEXTED ME, SORRY, I DIDN'T RECOGNIZE YOUR CAR.
AND THERE ARE OTHER CARS THAT KEPT COMING DOWN OUR DRIVEWAY AND I, WHICH I DO NOT LIKE, HE TEXTED ME, I DON'T WANNA BE A DICK.
BUT HAVING PUBLIC ACCESS TO OUR PRIVATE NICHE AND MULTIPLE FAMILIES RUNNING IN AND OUT IS NOT SOMETHING I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO.
THIS IS AN OVERREACH OF WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU LIVE IN A PUBLIC COMMUNITY.
THEY'RE TRYING TO CONTROL STRANGERS TO THEM FROM COMING ONTO OUR LAND.
AND THAT'S JUST, UH, NOT FAIR.
ALSO, IF YOU ENDED UP LOOKING AT THE ZONING COMPLAINTS, I ALREADY SAID THAT A NUMBER OF THEM WERE UNSUBSTANTIATED.
THE MORE RECENT ONES SHOW MY VEHICLE PARKED WITHIN MY LOT, UH, AND MY CLEANER'S CAR PARKED WITHIN MY LOT.
UH, AGAIN, I CAN PROVE THESE BY POINTING OUT THE BOUNDARIES OF WHAT'S INCLUDED IN THE PHOTO.
I JUST THINK IT'S AN ATTEMPT TO THROW VOLUME OF COMPLAINTS INTO THIS FILE TO, UH, PORTRAY US AS IRRESPONSIBLE.
UM, YOU, YOU'LL SEE IN THE MEMO THE EFFORTS THAT WE'VE TAKEN HISTORICALLY.
AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT CRITICALLY, UH, THE COMPLAINTS REALISTICALLY CAN'T HAPPEN AGAIN WITH ALL OF THE EFFORTS WE'VE TAKEN.
OH, I DID HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
WHEN WAS HE GIVEN SUFFICIENT NOTICE? I MEAN, DID WE SEND HIM A REGISTERED LETTER OR HOW WAS HE NOTIFIED? YEAH, CORRECT.
THE TERMINATION PROCEDURES WERE SENT VIA REGISTERED MAIL, UM, NOT THE TERMINATION PROCEDURES, THE COMPLAINTS OF THE COMPLAINTS.
WHEN, WHEN WAS HE MADE AWARE OF THE COMPLAINTS FROM THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT? YEAH.
SO SOME OF THESE DATE BACK TO LAST YEAR.
SO ALL OF LAST YEAR, THE ZONING ENFORCEMENT WAS DONE BY OUR ZONING OFFICER, DAVID BURKE.
UM, HE'S NOT THE BEST AT DOCUMENTING, UH, THE THINGS.
UM, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT HE HAD, UH, WORKED WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER, UM, TO DISCUSS CERTAIN SOLUTIONS FOR THESE ISSUES.
UH, I HAVE NO DOCUMENTATION OF THAT CONVERSATION, SO I CAN ONLY GO OFF OF THE CONVERSATION I HAD WITH THEM.
UH, AND AT THAT POINT, UH, WE HAD RECEIVED FOUR, UM, YOU KNOW, CONFIRMED VIOLATIONS OF THE ISSUE.
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GAVE THEM A CALL, UM, SPOKE WITH MR. SIMOFF, UM, MADE A FEW SUGGESTIONS FOR HOW TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE AND, AND SAID, YOU KNOW, USUALLY WE DON'T SEE THIS MANY REPEAT ISSUES WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL.UH, I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO, UM, PURSUE THE TERMINATION PROCEDURES IF THE ISSUE CONTINUES.
AND THEN WE GOT ONE MORE ISSUE, ONE MORE, UH, POLICE REPORT.
AND HE GOT THAT INFORMATION ON WHAT DATE.
UM, SO THAT CALL WAS ON MONDAY, FEBRUARY 26TH, 2024.
AND THEN YOU'VE HAD A VIOLATION SINCE THEN, CORRECT? YEAH.
THE, UH, POLICE REPORT, THE FINAL POLICE REPORT RECEIVED, WAS RECEIVED ON APRIL 27TH, 2024.
OR I'M SORRY, THE, IT WAS DATED APRIL 27TH, 2024.
SO DIDN'T HAVE AS MANY, BUT HE HAD ONE COMPLAINT AFTER THE, UH, THERE'S A GRAPHIC IN THE MEMO.
SO COMPLAINTS ARE IN RED OR MAROON AND PROACTIVE MEASURES ARE, IN LIE, THE PERIOD OF WHICH WE WERE NOT INFORMED AS A YELLOW HUE.
I WAS JUST KIND OF VERIFYING HIS STORY.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT WAY APART.
HOW MANY PEOPLE IS THIS THING PERMITTING FOR? OH, I'M SORRY.
HOW MANY, HOW MANY PEOPLE, HOW MANY OCCUPANTS IS THIS? UH, SU IS THIS SHORT TERM RENTAL ALLOWED TO HAVE? I THINK IT'S SIX.
SO IT'D BE PROBABLY BE THREE OR FOUR CARS.
HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH PARKING? I'VE NEVER BEEN TO THAT.
I SHOULD HAVE WENT TO THE PROPERTY, BUT I DIDN'T HAVE TIME.
HOW MUCH PARKING IS THERE? WE HAVE ENOUGH PARKING FOR PROBABLY FOUR LARGE VEHICLES AT THE HOUSE.
THE ISSUE IS NOT THAT THE PARKING WAS FULL, IT WAS THAT WE HAVE A STEEP DRIVEWAY.
UH, AND BECAUSE THERE WERE OTHER CARS PARKED AT THE BASE OF THE DRIVEWAY AND HAVE BEEN FOR THE LAST YEAR, PEOPLE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE TO PARK THERE.
UH, IN THE PAST, AND THIS HAS BEEN RESOLVED, WE COULD ONLY COMMUNICATE WITH ONE PERSON AT A TIME.
THE BOOKER, THERE'S BEEN AN UPDATE THIS SPRING WHERE YOU CAN COMMUNICATE WITH EVERYONE, UH, WITHIN THE GROUP.
SO WE WOULD TELL PEOPLE EACH TIME, YOU CAN'T PARK ON THE STREET.
IF YOU HAVE, UH, IF YOU NEED THE FLAT SPACE, YOU HAVE TO GO AROUND THE TRAILER.
HOPEFULLY, UH, THERE'S NO PILE OF SNOW BECAUSE OF THE PLOW STOP.
UH, AND WHAT HAPPENED IN APRIL WHEN WE INTERVIEWED THE GUEST WAS THAT IT WAS A FAMILY THAT CAME IN FOR A FUNERAL IN SEPARATE GROUPS.
AND THE LAST TWO ARRIVE ARRIVED AT 5:00 AM IT WAS DARK.
SHE SAW PEOPLE AT THE BASE, UH, AND SHE PARKED OFF OF THE ROAD, WHICH ALL THE POLICE REPORTS SAY NO ONE'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD.
THEY'RE PARKED LIKE ON THE SIDE.
T TYPICALLY ON A, ON A SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE OR, OR JUST IN GENERAL.
I GO THROUGH THIS 'CAUSE I PUSH SNOW IN A LOT OF SUBDIVISIONS.
UH, BEING OUT THE ROAD IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
YOU HAVE TO BE COMPLETELY OUT OF THAT RIGHT OF WAY.
UH, I CAN UNDERSTAND HOW SOMEONE WOULD BE CONFUSED.
IF THE SIGNS WENT UP AFTERWARDS, OH, IF THAT DRIVEWAY'S STEEP AND SOME PEOPLE ARE NOT COMFORTABLE GETTING UP IN IT AND YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER OPTION.
YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOME NEW GRAVEL.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A, IF YOU CAN DRIVE PAST THE HOUSE AND THERE'S A PLACE THAT'S NOT STEEP, YOU KNOW, I, FOR ME TO EVEN REMOTELY FEEL GOOD ABOUT THIS, IT IS GOTTA BE, UH, THERE'S GOTTA BE A PLACE TO PARK FOR THOSE THAT DON'T WANNA GO UP THE STEEP PART OF THE DRIVEWAY COMPLETELY OFF THE STREET.
AND, AND I MEAN, YOU, YOU KNOW, I DON'T MEAN THE WEED EATER AND A FEW CONES.
I MEAN, LIKE A, SOME GRAVEL IN, YOU KNOW, IT PROPERLY SURE.
PROPERLY, THE ISSUE FROM THE GUEST WE INTERVIEWED IS THAT, UH, THE TRAILER PREVENTED, WELL, THE ROAD HASN'T BEEN MAINTAINED BY SKYLINE ESTATES UNTIL TODAY BECAUSE FOR WHATEVER REASON.
BUT THERE WAS ALSO A TRAILER IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD THAT PREVENTED THE SNOW PLOW FROM PLOWING ALL THE WAY.
AND WHILE WE HAD A SPACE THAT WE'VE BEEN KEEPING THE TREES TRIMMED AROUND AND IT'S BEYOND THE PROPERTY BARRIER, I PARKED THERE AND THEN I GOT A ZONING COMPLAINT FORM.
SO YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S A PARKING LITTLE AREA.
UH, PEOPLE JUST COULDN'T GET TO THE SPACE EASILY.
IT DIDN'T, IT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE THE ROAD WENT ANY FURTHER BECAUSE OF, THERE ARE PHOTOS IN THE MEMO THAT SHOW YOU I SAW THEM.
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I ALSO HAVE A PHOTO OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TODAY.SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT A DIFFERENCE THE, THE PAVINGS MADE.
I'M CERTAIN, AND I'LL JUST NOTE THAT THIS WILL GO BEFORE THE BOARD AND THERE WOULD BE A PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE BOARD.
AND SO, UM, IN THE ATTORNEY CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO ADD A CONDITION TO REQUIRE THE DRIVEWAY BE PAVED, A PARKING AREA BE ESTABLISHED, OR AN ESTABLISHED PARKING AREA.
MARKED OR MAYBE PUT ON THE ADVERTISEMENT OR SOMETHING.
I I, I'M, I'M TORN HERE, BUT, UH, WELL, WHEN THIS WAS APPROVED, THE REQUIREMENT WAS ON THE SPECIAL OR ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS THEY HAD TO PARK OFF THE STREET.
HAD WE ALREADY ADDED THAT TO THE SPECIAL YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS.
IT HAS BEEN SINCE AT LEAST 2014.
OH, LONG BEFORE ME THEN
AND IT, YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW WE TELL PEOPLE NOT TO PARK ON THE STREET, BUT IT IS VERY HARD TO REGULATE YOUR GUEST AND, AND NOT HAVE 'EM PARK ON THE STREET.
UM, IT, IT SEEMS LIKE THEY ARE TAKING MEASURES TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE AND CONTINUING TO TAKE MEASURES.
I MEAN, I, I THINK MAY, YOU KNOW, I I LIKE THAT THE NO PARKING SIGNS HAVE BEEN ADDED ON THE ROAD.
IT'S ONE SUGGESTION FOR THE ON THE HOUSE.
UM, ONE SUGGESTION WOULD BE MAYBE PUTTING A, WELL, I GUESS THAT MIGHT NOT BE ALLOWED WITH OUR ORDINANCE.
I WAS GONNA SAY A, A, A SIGN AT THE END OF THEIR, UM, PROPERTY THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, PARKING FOR THEIR ADDRESS OR SOMETHING.
SO PARKING AREA, IT'S A DIRECTIONAL SIGN IS THE EXEMPT FROM THE SIGN PERMIT REQUIREMENT.
NOW, THERE MIGHT BE AN ISSUE WITH THE HOA OR POA THERE REGULATING.
SO SOMETHING, SOMETHING TO EXPLORE.
UM, ANOTHER IDEA WOULD BE TO, TO PAVE THE DRIVEWAY.
UM, 'CAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE PA OR EXPANDED WELL, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THE, THE ISSUE IS THE STEEPNESS IN PEOPLE NOT BEING ABLE TO GET THEIR CARS UP THE GRAVE.
BUT, UH, WE HAVE IDENTIFIED AND ACTUALLY PURCHASED A STABILIZING PRODUCT SO THAT THE ROCK, THE, THE CRUSHED ROCK THAT WE HAVE DOESN'T BECOME LUMPY.
UH, WHICH IS PEOPLE ARE INTIMIDATED BY THE ANGLE, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY, I THINK THE TEXTURE, THE WORDS THAT COME WITH A HORSE BOARD.
I GUESS IN MY MIND, THIS IS THE FIRST, UM, THIS IS THE FIRST TERMINATION PROCEDURE WE'VE HAD COME UP.
AND I FEEL LIKE IT IS A PRETTY DRASTIC MEASURE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M READY TO, TO MOVE, TO RECOMMEND THAT IT MOVES FORWARD AT THIS POINT.
UM, YOU KNOW, SINCE, LIKE I SAID, SINCE THEY'VE GOTTEN THE NOTICE, THERE'S BEEN ONE COMPLAINT AND THEY'RE CONTINUING TO TAKE STEPS TO ADDRESS IT.
MY CONCERN IS THOUGH, THAT, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING HERE, THEY DON'T ALWAYS KNOW, YOU KNOW, AND, AND MAYBE NOT EVERY HOUSE IS RIGHT FOR AN AIRBNB.
I MEAN, IF THIS HAS BEEN MULTIPLE COMPLAINTS, THERE HAS TO BE OTHER SOLUTION OR THIS IS, WE'RE GOING TO, UNFORTUNATELY, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO CONTINUE TO COME BACK UNLESS THERE IS A SOLUTION.
SO I, I THINK, I THINK SOME MONEY COULD BE SPENT TO IMPROVE A PARKING AREA OR SOMETHING.
A LOT OF IT MAY HAVE ALREADY BEEN ALLEVIATED SINCE THE TRAILER AND STUFF'S GOING ON.
IT IT, OH, AND WE'RE NOT A COURT, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE HEAR THE NEIGHBOR THAT WAS COMPLAINING IN HERE TOO.
I WOULD, THAT'D BE PART OF THE PUBLIC HEARING IF YOU MOVE IT FORWARD.
UH, WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO DENY OR TO APPROVE OR APPROVE, UH, WELL, I SHOULD SAY DENY THE REVO REVOCATION, BUT WITH A CONDITION, UH, TO MOVE THAT FORWARD, THEN THE BOARD CAN HAVE THAT PUBLIC HEARING AND ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS WILL BE NOTIFIED.
WE'LL GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
WE JUST DOESN'T WON'T COME BACK TO US.
IT'S GONNA GO STRAIGHT TO THE BOARD.
AND THEN, UH, SO THIS IS JUST PURELY, IT'S A RECOMMENDATION GIVING BOTH THE, UH, THE, THE APPLICANTS, THE, THE PERMIT HOLDERS, UH, CHANCE TO, UH, PROVIDE THEIR CASE YOU TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF THE HOMEWORK FOR
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THE BOARD.AND THEN THEY'LL COME BACK AND, UH, REITERATE.
SO IT'S GOING TO THE BOARD REGARDLESS OF HOW WE RECOMMEND, IT'S JUST WHETHER THEY, RIGHT.
AND IF THERE ARE THOUGHTS ON A SOLUTION THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED, UH, THAT COULD ADDRESS THIS MATTER ON TOP OF WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE, THAT MAY BE SOMETHING YOU WOULD WANT TO DO FOR THE BOARD TO, YOU KNOW, TO THINK ABOUT ALSO.
AND THIS WOULD ALSO ALLOW HIM TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO TRY TO HAVE A, TO THEM ALL YEAH.
TO TRY TO MEDICATE THE SITUATION PRIOR TO THE BOARD 'CAUSE RIGHT.
I HOPE THEY READ THE NOTES ON THIS ONE OTHER DISCUSSION.
NO, IT'S UP TO THE INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBERS.
SO, YEAH, I'D LOVE TO RECOMMEND A RESOLUTION WITH YOUR NEIGHBOR AND ALL THAT TYPE OF STUFF.
BUT IF YOU'RE HAVING THIS MUCH PROBLEM WITH 'EM, I DON'T KNOW IF HE'D ENTER, EVEN ENTERTAIN TALKING TO YOU.
UH, HE TEXTED IN NOVEMBER THAT HE WOULD NOT SHARE ANY COMPLAINTS WITH ME.
UH, AND THAT HE WOULD CALL THE POLICE FOR ANY CONCERNS EITHER.
I, I THINK IT'S, UH, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S HIS OR FAULT OR GEORGE OR HIS, BUT THAT, UH, THERE'S DEFINITELY, UM, IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO SIT DOWN AND JUST WORK IT OUT.
SO IT'S PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO GO TO THE BOARD.
WELL, IT'S GOING TO THE BOARD ANYWAY.
THEY'RE GONNA DO A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDLESS OF HOW WE RECOMMEND.
ONE OF THE ITEMS I MIGHT JUST MENTION TOO IS, UH, AND AGAIN, MR. LEN MIGHT BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THIS AS, AS FAR AS A LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGER, UM, I KNOW THE PROPERTY OWNERS LIVE IN, I THINK THE DC AREA.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGER MANAGER THAT COULD COME AND ADDRESS ANY ISSUES THAT COME UP.
SOMEBODY COULD RESPOND A LITTLE QUICKER, MAYBE.
WITHIN 30 MILES, I THINK IS WHAT OUR CODE NOW IS CURRENTLY.
AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT HAS CALLED TO VERIFY HIS NUMBER, UH, AND HIS ADDRESS, UH, ACCORDING TO HIM.
BUT IF YOU, THIS IS SPECULATION ON MY PART.
THE CALLS AREN'T GOING TO ME OR, UH, THE PROPERTY MANAGER BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT LOOKING FOR A SOLUTION.
THEY'RE LOOKING TO DOCUMENT A PROBLEM.
BECAUSE THEY SPOKE OUT AT EVERY STEP OF THE PROCESS SAYING HOW THEY DIDN'T WANT STRANGERS IN THE COMMUNITY.
THIS ISN'T A HOA, THIS IS A PUBLIC ROAD.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY A FUEL, IT'S PRIVATE ROAD DEDICATED TO PUBLIC USE.
IT'S IN, IT'S NOT A STATEMENT.
THAT'LL MAYBE THAT'LL ALLEVIATE SOME, AND MY HOPES ARE THE BOARD WILL ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, TAKE EVERYTHING INTO CONSIDERATION AND JUST FACE, LOOK AT THE UNFORTUNATE, YOU KNOW, THE HERE'S THE COMPLAINTS.
DO YOU WANT ME TO MAKE THE MOTION? ABSOLUTELY, YES, THAT'S FINE.
HOW DO YOU FEEL? I'LL JUST MAKE A MOTION AND WE'LL SEE WHERE IT LANDS.
I MOVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THIS TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO NOT TERMINATE.
OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT, IT'LL BE FORWARDED ONTO THE BOARD.
YOU'LL BE NOTIFIED OF THE MEETING.
[IX. Consent Agenda (Part 1 of 2)]
MOVES US TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.OH, THIS, THIS IS WHERE WE MOVED UP THE CONTRACTOR STORAGE YARD.
AND THAT WHAT LETTER WAS THAT? THAT WAS B,
[B. Z2024-06-02 - Contractor Storage Yard - Warren County Planning Staff - A request to amend Chapter 180 of the Warren County Code to amend §180-8C to add a definition for Contractor Storage Yard, to amend §180-21D(48) to add Contractor Storage Yard as a use allowed by conditional use permit in the Agricultural (A) zoning district, to amend §180-28D(10) to amend the Yard for Storage of Coal, Lumber, Building Materials, or Contractors’ Equipment listed use in the Industrial (I) zoning district, and to enact §180-43.3 to add supplementary regulations for Contractor Storage Yard. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator]
B, B.FIND BI HAVEN'T GOT INTO THAT YET.
UM, SO, SO THIS WOULD JUST BE, UM, TO DISCUSS IT AND THEN TO DISCUSS IT.
AT THE END OF IT, WE'LL STILL NEED TO VOTE TO, OKAY.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE HERE NEXT MONTH, SO YOU WANT YEAH, I WON'T BE HERE NEXT MONTH, SO I HAVE A COMMENT.
UH, SO I THINK I KNOW HOW THIS IS GONNA GO, BUT MY, MY ISSUE WITH THIS IS MAKING A CONTRACTOR STORAGE YARD, UM, SPECIAL USE IN THE AG.
UM, KIND OF PIGGYBACKING OFF THE CONVERSATION WE HAD WITH THE RV STORAGE, I JUST, I DON'T THINK IT FITS THE NATURE OF THE AG.
UM, LIKE I SAID, I THINK I KNOW HOW IT'S GONNA GO, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE MY CONCERNS, UH, TO KNOWN SINCE I WON'T BE HERE.
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THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY ALL I OKAY.UM, MR. MYERS, I'LL JUST ADD A LITTLE BIT TO THAT.
UM, IN CERTAIN AREAS OF THE COUNTY, WHICH ARE AGRICULTURAL, THEY ARE ADJACENT TO AGRICULTURAL FORESTAL AREAS.
SO IF SOMETHING LIKE THIS WAS APPLIED FOR ADJACENT TO THAT ACT FOREST ROW AREA, WE COULD NOTIFY THOSE MEMBERS OF THE ACT FOREST ROW AREA IN SOME FORM, WHETHER IT BE THROUGH A REPRESENTATIVE OR NOT.
UH, AND THAT WOULD BE BASICALLY FACTORED IN AS A DECISION WHETHER THIS IS AN, THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE PROPERTY.
THERE ARE OTHER AREAS OF THE COUNTY THAT AREN'T ANYWHERE NEAR AN AG FORESTAL DISTRICT, WHERE THAT MAY BE, IT MAY BE MORE APPROPRIATE IN THOSE AGRICULTURAL AREAS.
AGAIN, IT'S ALL AGRICULTURAL ZONE.
THERE'S A HIGHER STANDARD, WELL, I SHOULD SAY, OR HIGHER REQUIREMENT, UH, TO MEET THE SPIRIT OF WHAT THOSE ACT FORESTAL DISTRICTS ARE MEANT FOR.
AND THAT'S FOR AGRICULTURAL FORESTAL USES.
SO I JUST WANT TO THROW THAT IN THERE TO ADD ON TO WHAT MR. GORDON HAS, HAS MENTIONED.
IT DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE DONE BY SUP.
YOU KNOW, IT'S DEFINITELY NOT A BY RIGHT THING BECAUSE AG IS OUR DEFAULT ZONING AND, UH, SOME AG REALLY LOOKS LIKE AG AND SOME DOESN'T.
AND I SEE MR. GORDON'S POINT AS A COAL STOCKPILE OR A GRAVEL STOCKPILE, IS IT TYPICALLY SOMETHING YOU'D SEE ON A FARM? CORRECT.
WE HAVE MANY WORKING FARMS IN THE ROCKLAND AREA, AND, UH, THEY HAVE A HIGH STANDARD OF RURAL CHARACTER IN THAT AREA THAT I'M SURE THAT THEY ALL WOULD LIKE TO RECEIVE.
UH, THE VIEW SHED'S LARGE THERE TOO, RIGHT? YEAH.
YOU CAN STAND IN ONE PLACE AND SEE A LONG WAY.
AND THERE ARE PARTS IN, UH, WE DO HAVE ACT FORESTAL DISTRICTS IN LYON AND SOUTH RIVER TOO, SO JUST YEP.
BE ADVISED THERE ARE AREAS THAT, UH, THIS WOULD DEFINITELY JUSTIFY DENYING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THIS KIND OF AN APP, THIS KIND OF LAND USE.
YOU GOOD? THAT WAS ALL I WANTED TO SAY.
SO DO WE NEED TO MAKE
SO WE NOW NEED TO MAKE A SEPARATE MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THIS FOR ADVERTISEMENT.
I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AUTHORIZED THE PROPOSED TEXT AMENDMENT FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
[IX. Consent Agenda (Part 2 of 2)]
CONSENT AGENDA.WE HAD DO, HAVE THIS ONE FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE THAT I WAS TRYING TO GO GO THROUGH FAST ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA, OR WE GOTTA DO, OR WE HAVE TO ADD IT.
THIS WILL, THIS'LL BE, UH, ON THE TONIGHT'S CONSENT AGENDA.
UH, THE REASON WHY IS THE SHERIFF, UH, THEY, THEY DO HAVE A TIMELINE.
THEY WOULD LIKE TO EXPEDITE THIS PROCESS AND HAVE IT THROUGH THE REVIEW PROCESS BY THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND BOARD BY AUGUST.
UM, AND, UM, THEY'VE JUST GOTTEN EVERYTHING TOGETHER FOR THE APPLICATION.
SO, UM, SHERIFF KLEIN HAS REQUESTED THAT, UH, WE PUT THIS ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA.
I WILL HAVE A FULL STAFF REPORT AND WE'LL HAVE A FULL PACKET FOR YOU AT THE NEXT MEETING.
AND I'LL JUST MENTION WE OUR, COREY, OUR, UH, GRIFFITH, OUR GIS COORDINATOR HAS BEEN WORKING ON A NUMBER OF MAPS FOR THEM.
AND WE HAVE ONE UP HERE, UH, SHOWING THE PROPOSED SHOOTING RANGE.
THIS, THIS PROPERTY IS JUST TO THE SOUTH OF THE TRANSFER STATION OFF OF, UH, SHANGRILA ROAD.
AND HE'S IDENTIFIED PHASE ONE, UH, WHICH IS YOUR, THE, THE TRAINING RANGE FOR, UH, FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND, AND DEPUTIES.
UH, THE RE THE, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY, UH, THAT SHERIFF KLEIN IS, IS REQUESTING THIS, IS BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE CERTIFICATIONS FOR FIREARMS TRAINING.
NOW, IT'S AN INORDINATE AMOUNT OF TIME AND COST TO HER DEPARTMENT FOR HER STAFF TO BE ABLE TO GO DO THAT.
TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THIS HERE IN THE COUNTY.
IT LESSENS THE MAN HOURS AND COST TO THEM.
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SAY IT WOULD BE ABOUT 20 TO 30 TIMES A YEAR.UM, THERE ARE SOME FU FUTURE PHASES THAT THEY PLAN TO EXPAND AS FAR AS POTENTIAL, UH, TRAINING FOR THE, THE DOGS AND, AND THAT KIND OF THING.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, HER INTENT IS TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THAT TRAINING FACILITY, HAVE A TRAINING FACILITY HERE FOR HER STAFF, UH, SO THEY WON'T HAVE TO TRAVEL AS FAR AND, AND HAVE IT COST AS MUCH TO THE TAXPAYERS.
SO THAT MEANS OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTY AND THE STATE COUNTY, SHEO COUNTY, NONE OF OUR NEIGHBORING COUNTIES HAVE A QUALIFIED BRIDGE.
THEY, THEY HAVE TO GO UP TO, SHE SAID THEY HAVE TO GO UP TO WEST VIRGINIA.
SO THERE'D BE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE MONEY FROM THERE OR PAGE OR SOMETHING.
UH, I I, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S HER FULL INTENT.
HER FULL INTENT IS ACTUALLY JUST TO SAVE, HOLD ON.
HOW ABOUT THE COUNTY'S FULL INTENT? THEN? WE'RE USING PUBLIC MONEY FOR THAT.
I TOLD HER THAT THAT MIGHT BE A BOARD REASON TO APPROVE IT.
UH, BUT WE WOULD LOOK AT IT FROM LAND USE.
PEOPLE SHOULD BE JUST OUR COUNTY.
'CAUSE THEY WOULDN'T WANT ANY EXTRA NOISE FOR TRAFFIC.
AND THEN OTHER, THE MONETARY SIDE OF IT, YOU KNOW, IN THOSE OTHER COUNTIES, THEY MAY HAVE THEIR OWN, THEY JUST WON'T SHARE WITH MM-HMM.
IF COUNTY OWNS THIS PROPERTY, I MEAN, SHANGRI LANE, IT GOES UP TO THE TRANSFER STATION AND BASICALLY DEAD ENDS.
AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE THE NORTH PART OF NORTH TRAFFIC WOULD BE.
THE NORTH BOUNDARY YOU SEE HERE IS, I BELIEVE THAT IS SHANG, UH, LIKE THE, THE FENCE LINE, UH, TO THIS.
AND THEY, THEY'VE, AGAIN, CORY'S DONE A NUMBER OF MAPS.
WE'LL PROVIDE THOSE MAPS TO YOU NEXT MONTH.
HE'S GOT SOME, UH, VERY INTERESTING DIGITAL ELEVATION MODEL MAPS THAT, UH, WE'LL PUT ON.
ANOTHER THING THAT THIS COULD DO IS WE HAVE THE FOUR H HAS, UH, A SHOOTING CLUB.
I MEAN, WE SHOOT SKIED ALL THE WAY IN WINCHESTER AND THEN WE, THERE'S, UM, AT THE FOUR H CENTER, THERE IS LIKE A, A, AN AIR RIFLE LITTLE RANGE.
I, I, I DON'T, I, WE'VE SPOKE ABOUT THAT.
JUST SAYING, I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY EXPAND IT TO GUN SAFETY COURSES, MAY BE AT SOME FUTURE POINT.
BUT THE REALLY, THE SOLE REASON AT THIS TIME IS TO PROVIDE AN AREA FOR FIREARM CERTIFICATION FOR HER STAFF.
THE SHERIFF'S JUST LOOKING AT IT FOR HER DEPUTIES RIGHT NOW.
COUNTY WANTS TO DO SOMETHING ELSE.
BUT IN THE FUTURE, AND SHE'LL, WE HAVE, SHE WILL BE HERE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING, I'M SURE.
AND CAN EXPAND ON ANY OTHER ITEMS, UH, THAT I HAVEN'T INCLUDED IN MY STAFF.
SO DO WE NEED A MOTION TO ADD THIS TO, TO THE CONSENT AGENDA? YES.
JUST TO AUTHORIZE ADVERTISEMENT FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO, SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE, UH, APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS AMENDED.
OPPOSED CONSENT AGENDA'S APPROVED.
[X. Commission Matters]
ANYTHING ELSE, MATT? UH, I HAVE NOTHING OTHER THAN TO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR, UH, PARTICIPATING IN ANOTHER WORK SESSION.I'D LIKE TO THANK KELLY AND ALLISON FOR PUTTING EVERYTHING TOGETHER FOR THAT.
AND, UM, UH, WE WILL CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE WORK SESSIONS, WHETHER YOU'RE ABLE TO ATTEND OR NOT, BUT WE'LL MAKE SURE YOU'RE IN THE LOOP AND, UH, WE MAY EVEN SEND INFORMATION FOR YOU PERIODICALLY.
IF YOU WANT A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, READING BEFORE YOU GO TO BED, YOU CAN OPEN UP ONE OF OUR TOP PLANT CHAPTERS.
COMMISSION MEMBERS, WILL YOU GOT ANYTHING ELSE? UH, NO.
I'M, I WON'T BE HERE NEXT MONTH.
HAVE A GOOD VACATION, I ASSUME.
SCOTT, HOW ABOUT YOU? I WAS JUST CONCERNED WITH A, THE LAST, WHAT WE JUST HEARD.
I MEAN, I CAN GIVE YOU A GENERAL HISTORY AS I RECALL IT.
UM, SO WELL YEAH, BUT WE, WE DON'T HAVE A WRITTEN RECORD.
EVEN SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, A PHONE LOG THAT SAYS I CALLED JOE BRO TODAY.
BUT IT'S, UH, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, FOR US TO MAKE A DECISION TO PULL THEIR, UM, UH, CUP WITH ONLY ONE LETTER THAT'S BEEN SENT TO HIM, YOU KNOW, BEST RECORD WE HAD WAS A LETTER AT THE, OR COMMUNICATION AT THE END OF FEBRUARY AND HE'S HAD ONE VIOLATION SINCE.
THAT'S PROBABLY NOT ACCURATE, BUT YOU HAVE NO WAY OF PROVING IT OTHERWISE.
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BOARD, IT'S GONNA BE A HE SAID, HE SAID MM-HMM.YEAH, I COULD ONLY SAY THAT WE HAD ONE PHONE CALL CONVERSATION.
SO I GUESS, I GUESS MAYBE FOR RECORD FOR STAFF, IF IT'S A COMPLAINT, WE MAY NEED TO LOG THAT INFORMATION.
WE, WE DO TRACK IN THE SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL SHEET SPREADSHEET THAT WE HAVE.
UH, I KNOW WE HAVE THE DATES OF APPROVAL AND I THINK THERE'S A STATUS DATE.
NOW I HAVE NOT LOOKED AT THAT IN A LITTLE BIT, BUT, UM, I DON'T KNOW.
KELLY AND CHASE, YOU, YOU BOTH KIND OF LOOKED AT THAT PERIODICALLY AND WE UPDATED ANNUAL, UH, MONTHLY WHEN THESE ARE APPROVED, I BELIEVE.
AND SO, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT GIVES YOU ENOUGH INFORMATION.
I I, SO THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING ABSOLUTELY WE COULD LOOK INTO.
I THINK I'M GONNA ASK THE SHERIFF IF THEY'VE GOT A WAY OF TRACKING THESE ADDRESSES, UHHUH THEIR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTALS AND IF THEY GET A CALL COMPLAINT, WELL, THERE WAS A FOYER DIRECTLY, RIGHT? YEAH.
WE, I MEAN THAT SHOULD, OUR PROCESS ONE CIRCUIT PROVIDES THAT
I I I MEAN WE DID UPDATE OUR PROCESS TO PROVIDE THAT SPREADSHEET TO BOTH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND THE COMMISSIONER REVENUE.
SO ON THE, WE HAVE, WHEN WE UPDATE IT, WHEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN THEY ARE APPROVED AND MS. PLAN, ONCE HER SHOOTING ARRANGED, WE'RE GONNA TELL HER SHE'S GONNA NOTIFY US ON THAT SHORT TERM PERSONAL COMPLAINT.
I'LL, HE'S A LEGAL TERM FOR THAT TYPE OF, I'M JUST KIDDING.
WELL, THE ONLY OTHER THING I HAVE IS, UH, FOR EVERYONE OUT THERE THAT HAS SERVED IN THE ARMY, HAPPY BIRTHDAY AND EVERYONE ELSE CALLS IT FLAG DAY, BUT WE WERE BORN THAT DAY 19 OR 1775.
WELL, WE ARE OLDER THAN THE MARINES.
AS FAR AS, AS FAR AS ME, KIND OF THE SAME GR ONES I HAD LAST MONTH, BUT TO KIND OF ANOTHER WAY AROUND IS A HAPPY FATHER'S DAY TO ALL OF US THAT QUALIFY.
IT'S AT A, THEY DON'T QUALIFY.
WHY GOT A DOG? DOES SHE QUALIFY? YOU QUALIFY AS A KID.
DOGS AREN'T PEOPLE TOO, BUT THEY'RE DAMN CLOSE.
OH, MS. COOK HAS ASKED ME TO EXTEND AN INVITATION.
SHE WILL FOLLOW UP WITH AN EMAIL.
UM, SHE IS HAVING A OPENING AT HER EVENT CENTER ON LEE BURKE ROAD.
UM, IT IS CURRENTLY SCHEDULED FOR FRIDAY, JUNE 28TH FROM SIX TO NINE O'CLOCK.
UH, PROVIDING SHE GETS, I MEAN, SHE'S WASHING WINDOWS.
IT'S CLOSE, BUT, UH, THE PAPERWORK SOMETIMES LAGS LONG.
BUT, UH, ALL STAFF PLANNING, UH, SHE SAID SHE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE EVERYBODY THAT WAS INVOLVED THROUGH THE PROCESS TO COME SEE WHAT'S THERE AND, UH, ENJOY SOME BEVERAGE FOOD.
AND, UH, SHE SAID SHE, I'LL REMIND HER AGAIN TO SEND, UH, STAFF AN EMAIL AND MAYBE STAY IF THE SHARE WELL, BUT, UH, SHE TOLD ME WHY I WAS HERE TO GO AHEAD AND MENTION IT.
I'LL NEED TO RESPOND, UM, WITH MINE WHEN I'M, YOU KNOW, NOT BEING ABLE TO ATTEND.
SO I JUST WANTED TO, JUST, SINCE WE TALKED ABOUT AGRITOURISM TODAY, UM, ONE OF THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE BROUGHT UP IN OUR MEETING IS THE PLAN FOR OBVIOUSLY BRINGING IN SOME TYPE OF, UH, INCOME FOR A LOT OF THESE FARMS AND WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? AND I KNOW THAT THE RULE EVENT CENTER PLAN COULD POSSIBLY GO WITH THAT, BUT BASED OFF OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN, UM, BASED OFF OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE FARMERS, THEY DON'T, THEY REALLY DON'T WANNA MAKE AN IMPACT ON THE LAND AND HAVE SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.
SO THIS IS, I DON'T WANNA MISSPEAK OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT SINCE WE'RE REALLY JUST NOW KIND OF DISCUSSING IT.
'CAUSE IT IS A NEW CONVERSATION FOR THIS COUNTY.
UM, BUT I JUST WANNA, YOU KNOW, BRING THIS UP TO LET YOU GUYS POSSIBLY START THINKING ABOUT IT AS WELL TO SEE WHAT YOU CAN CONTRIBUTE THOUGHT PROCESS.
UM, I SHARED THAT THERE ARE ORGANIZATIONS CALLED, UM, HARVEST HOST, UM, WHERE YOU ALLOW YOUR FARM TO JUST, UH, HAVE AN RV DRIVE AND STOP FOR THE NIGHT, BUT THEN THAT PERSON HAS TO ACTUALLY SUPPORT YOUR FARM BY PURCHASING PRODUCTS.
UM, IT'S NOT GONNA BE LIKE, IT WOULDN'T BE LIKE AN AIRBNB BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY OPENING TO THE PUBLIC OR POTENTIALLY HAVING A SPOT TO ALLOW FOR
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SOMEBODY TO COME AND LAY THEIR HEAD, DO A WORKSHOP AND THEN LEAVE.UM, SO JUST CONVERSATIONS AND THOUGHTS WE WERE DISCUSSING, BUT I KNOW THAT RURAL EVENT AS MUCH AS IT WOULD APPEAL TO A LOT OF PEOPLE, THAT'S KIND OF GOES AGAINST WHAT THE, UM, I THINK WHAT THE AGRITOURISM, UM, MINDSET WOULD BE.
AND THEN ALSO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION ABOUT THE ROAD.
MOST OF THE FARMS ARE NOT STATE MAINTAINED ROAD.
UM, MOST OF THE FARMS ARE LOCATED OFF A GRAVEL ROAD.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD POSSIBLY DISCUSS IF THAT'S SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THAT FALL FOLLOWS ALONG WITH THE AGRITOURISM.
SO I KNOW THE RURAL EVENT CENTER SOUNDS BEAUTIFUL, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S ALL.
AND THAT APPLICATION, I DON'T THINK THEIR INTENT IS NOT TO TIE IT INTO AGRITOURISM, RIGHT? CORRECT.
AND SO KEEPING IT KIND OF, YOU KNOW, SEPARATE AND THAT, THAT INTIMACY OF POSSIBLY, YOU KNOW, HAVING PEOPLE COME AND HAVE THAT ONE-ON-ONE.
UM, THERE ARE LOCAL OTHER FARMERS THAT ARE LOOKING TO LOCATE TO THIS AREA AND POSSIBLY START UP A CREAMERY, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY'RE ACTUALLY DOING, UH, CHEESE AND, AND DAIRY.
SO THERE'S POTENTIAL FOR FARMS, BUT THEY'RE WAITING TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS, UM, IN OUR, IN OUR COMMUNITY.
SO MS. RICHARDSON, UH, DO YOU WE HAVE ANY LISTED CSAS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT MAY BE INTERESTED IN, YOU KNOW, UM, YES.
SO THERE ARE, UM, CERTAIN CSAS I CAN GET A, I CAN REACH OUT TO SOME OF MY, SOME OF MY FARMING BUDDIES.
UM, I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO PARTICIPATE IN FARMER'S MARKETS, MAINLY BECAUSE IT'S A LOT EASIER.
UM, BUT I KNOW CSAS WOULD BE A HUGE ASSET TO THIS COMMUNITY BECAUSE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY SPONSORED AGRICULTURE.
YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU BUY IN, MAYBE YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET ANYTHING, BUT MAYBE YOU ARE AND YOU'RE STILL SUPPORTING THAT PERSON.
UM, SO I COULD REACH OUT AND KIND OF SEE WHO'S IN OUR AREA.
I JUST KNOW FOR EDUCATION AND THE FACT THAT WE HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING TO THIS AREA FOR THINGS TO DO, UM, IT COULD BE, IT COULD BE REALLY BENEFICIAL, UH, FOR BOTH.
BUT I'LL FIND OUT ABOUT THE CSA.
I KNOW THAT THERE ARE A FEW, I THINK A LOT OF 'EM HAVE CONVERTED ONLY, UM, SOLELY TO DOING, UM, FARMER'S MARKETS, SO.
CHASE, YOU GOT ANYTHING ELSE? NO, I'M, I'M GOOD.
KELLY, HOW ABOUT YOU? UM, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD OTHER THAN THANK YOU, UM, FOR EVERYBODY'S PARTICIPATION, MORE SESSIONS AND I LOOK FORWARD TO, UM, MOVING FORWARD, GETTING THIS OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND HEARING FROM YOU ALL.
JORDAN, YOU HAVE ANYTHING? NO, SIR.