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[A. Discussion - Proposed Gun Range for Warren County Sheriff's Office ]
EVENING.AND THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING TO OUR WORK SESSION TONIGHT.
AND FIRST ON THE AGENDA FOR THE WORK SESSION IS A PRESENTATION FROM THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT ON A PROPOSED GO RANGE.
AND I UNDERSTAND, SERGEANT ROY, YOU'RE GONNA TAKE THE LEAD ON THIS.
I'M GONNA, OH, YOU'RE GONNA START.
AND THEN I'M GONNA PASS IT OVER TO OKAY.
UM, I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR AND, AND BOARD FORGIVENESS, THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT.
UM, IN THE LAST YEAR, I'VE HEARD FROM A LOT OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS ABOUT WHAT THE WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE CAN DO BETTER.
I'M BRINGING, I THINK, TOWARDS YOU IS WHAT I'M TOLD.
AND IT DOES LESS HOW THAT, YEAH.
SO I'VE HEARD FROM A LOT OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS ON WHAT THE WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE CAN DO BETTER, YOU KNOW, MORE VISIBILITY, FIGHT DRUGS, YOU KNOW, BE MORE PROACTIVE.
BUT ALSO ON THE FLIP SIDE, I'VE HEARD FROM OUR, MY STAFF, AND IT IS FINDING STAFF, GETTING MORE STAFF MEMBERS IN.
WE'VE BEEN, UM, TALKING ABOUT VEHICLES THROUGH THIS BUDGET CYCLE, BUT IT'S ALSO TRAINING, UM, OR THE LACK OF TRAINING.
AND ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONCERNS FOR OUR STAFF WAS THAT WE DO NOT HAVE SOME PLACE TO, TO TRAIN.
UM, WE'RE KIND OF LANDLOCKED BY THE SCHOOLS ON THE PROPERTY FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
UM, WE HAVE TO TRAVEL TO OTHER AGENCIES FOR A, A FIRING RANGE.
WE HAVE TO RELY ON OTHER BUSINESSES AND ORGANIZATIONS IN ORDER TO GET A, UM, STATE MANDATED REQUIRED TRAINING THAT OUR, OUR DEPUTIES NEED.
BUT IT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME THAT THAT'S HAPPENED TO WARREN COUNTY.
SO WE SEEM TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS HOLE.
I I KIND OF LIKEN IT TO A WHOLE OF A DONUT WHERE WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE AND WE HAVE TO ALWAYS TRAVEL TO THESE OTHER COUNTIES TO GET SERVICES.
WE HAVE TO GO TO WINCHESTER AND FREDERICK AND FA HERE AND SHEO COUNTY IN ALL THESE OTHER AREAS FOR SERVICES.
AND WE NEVER HAVE SOMETHING OF OUR OWN.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING WITH TRAINING.
UM, THE FRONT ROW POLICE DEPARTMENT FIGURED IT OUT THAT IT IS HARD TO GET ON OTHER PEOPLE'S RANGES.
AND THE LAST THING THAT I THINK OUR COMMUNITY WANTS IS UNTRAINED DEPUTIES ON, ON A VERY CRUCIAL PART OF OUR JOB.
AND THAT IS SAVING OTHER PEOPLE'S LIVES AND GOING HOME AT THE END OF THE, THE NIGHT.
AND I AM GOING TO HAVE DEPUTY JAY ROY COME HERE AND PRESENT, BUT I TRULY BELIEVE THAT HE HAS PUT A PRODUCT TOGETHER.
WE'VE RESEARCHED, WE'VE RESEARCHED SEVERAL DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.
WE HAVE RESEARCHED DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, UM, TO QUALIFY, TO DO OUR ANNUAL QUALIFICATIONS, UM, TO DO ONGOING TRAINING.
YOU CAN'T JUST SHOOT ONCE A YEAR AND THEN EXPECT US TO, TO SAVE THE WORLD.
THAT'S NOT REALLY HOW THIS HAPPENS.
UH, HE'S PUT A LOT OF WORK INTO THIS, BUT I DO WANT TO ASK AND REQUEST THAT WE INVEST IN OUR DEPUTIES.
I THINK WE PUT TOGETHER A PRODUCT THAT I THINK MEETS A LOT OF GOALS AND SERVICES FOR US WITHOUT A LOT OF OUT OF POCKET.
AND WE'RE NOT REQUESTING MONEY.
WE ARE REQUESTING A LOCATION THAT WE CAN CONTINUE OUR TRAINING.
IT IS JUST NOT FOR FIREARMS. IT'S FOR OTHER DIFFERENT AVENUES.
AND I WILL TELL YOU TODAY, WE ARE ASKING FOR PERMISSION FROM FRONT OIL TO QUALIFY TWO NEW DEPUTIES THAT ARE GOING TO THE ACADEMY IN JULY.
AND OUT OF THEIR GRACIOUSNESS IN THEIR OPEN ARMS, THEY SAY YES, BUT THAT'S NOT THE CASE, UM, ALL THE TIME AS DEPUTY ROY IS GOING TO STATE.
I HOPE YOU ENJOY THIS PROPOSAL.
UM, AND ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE, UM, WE'LL BE MORE THAN WILLING TO ANSWER.
AND, UM, SERGEANT ROY, BEFORE YOU GET STARTED, I KNOW THERE'S SOME PEOPLE HERE FROM THE COMMUNITY, AND I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT DURING THE WORK SESSION, AND I BELIEVE MOST OF YOU DO KNOW IT, BUT I JUST, FOR THOSE WHO MIGHT NOT, WE DON'T TAKE QUESTION AND ANSWER FROM THE PUBLIC, BUT WE'RE HAVING OUR REGULAR MEETING AFTER THIS.
WE'LL GO INTO A CLOSED SESSION.
AFTER THE CLOSED SESSION, WE'LL GO OPEN UP OUR REGULAR MEETING.
AND WHEN WE GET TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD OF THAT, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO SIGN UP AND SPEAK ON THIS AT THAT TIME.
SO, I, I WANT YOU TO KNOW YOU CAN BE HEARD TONIGHT.
THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF A LONG PROCESS, SO, YOU KNOW, NO DECISIONS ARE MADE TONIGHT ON THIS.
SO I WILL TURN IT OVER TO YOU NOW, SIR.
AND THAT, THANKS TO THE COMMUNITY, UH, TAKING THE TIME TO COME OUT.
UM, I HAVE SPENT SOME TIME, UH, WITHIN THAT COMMUNITY, PARTICULARLY AROUND THE AREA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I MET WITH THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION ON SUNDAY,
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SPENT A LITTLE TIME WITH THEM ANSWERING THEIR QUESTIONS AND HEARING THEIR CONCERNS.AND SO WE'RE GONNA ADDRESS SOME OF THAT IN THE POWERPOINT AND HOPEFULLY GET TO A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE HEARING, TOO.
I'M SURE THEY'RE REACHING OUT AND THEY'RE ASKING QUESTIONS OF YOU AT THIS POINT.
AND WE'D LIKE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS AS BEST WE CAN.
UH, JUST AN, AN OVERALL VIEW OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IT'S NOT JUST A FIREARMS RANGE.
WE WANNA MAKE THE BEST USE OF THIS, UM, THIS AREA IF WE GET PERMISSION TO USE IT AS WE CAN.
SO WE HAVE A LOT OF TRAINING THAT WE'RE SPREADING OUT IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT AREAS.
IF WE CAN DO OUR SPECIAL OPERATIONS TRAININGS, OUR K NINE, OUR LAW FIT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE FIREARMS RANGE.
UM, THIS WOULD SAVE US ALL THAT OTHER TRAVEL TOO, NOT JUST FOR ANNUAL QUALIFICATION.
THIS GIVES US ONE CENTRAL LOCATION TO PUT IT ALL TOGETHER.
UM, THEY, WE CHOSE THE, UM, UH, THIS SITE AFTER A LOT OF RESEARCH.
UM, THIS SITE, UH, IS A LANDFILL SITE, UH, AND, UH, THAT SEEMS TO BE A STANDARD, UH, AROUND THE STATE.
SO AUGUSTA COUNTY, UM, UH, PAGE COUNTY, FREDERICK COUNTY, SHEO COUNTY, UH, AND, UH, THOSE WERE ALL LANDFILLS.
UH, THE, UH, ARY POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS THEIRS A WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, UH, THAT'S OWNED BY THE TOWN.
AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIND A LOCATION THAT KIND OF FITS EVEN WITH THAT IDEA, BECAUSE THESE AREAS TEND TO BE MONITORED EVEN FOR LIKE, LEAD DISPOSAL AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL WAY OF LIKE CHECKING THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, THIS IS A, WE HAVE A TWO PHASE, TWO YEAR PLAN.
I'LL GO INTO MORE DETAIL ABOUT THAT.
AND THE MANDATED TRAINING AND COST SAVINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT TOO.
UM, SO CURRENTLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 74 SWORN OFFICERS, UM, AT WHEN WE'RE FULLY STAFFED.
UH, THE PICTURE THERE GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT A RANGE MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
UH, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS SLIGHTLY LARGER.
THAT'S A, UH, EIGHT LANE COURSE.
UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, 10 LANES, UH, ADDING TWO MORE TO THAT IN ORDER FOR US TO, TO DO OUR TRAINING.
SOME OF THE MANDATED TRAINING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DEALS WITH OUR PATROL RIFLES AND OUR DUTY ISSUED PISTOLS.
UH, THIS IS, UM, NOT JUST, UH, SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT OTHER RANGES THAT WE MIGHT SHOOT AT THE, UM, THE TRAINING IS VERY STATIC.
IT'S A TARGET IN FRONT OF YOU, AND YOU JUST STAND IN ONE PLACE AND SHOOT.
UM, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO MOVE INTO THE TARGET LEFT AND RIGHT FROM THE TARGET AND THESE KINDS OF THINGS.
AND MANY RANGES DO NOT ALLOW THAT.
SAY, LIKE MIDDLETOWN FIREARMS, IT'S A VERY STATIC RANGE WHERE YOU KIND OF GOTTA STAY IN ONE SPOT.
BUT OFFICERS IN A VERY FLUID, VERY DYNAMIC, VERY DANGEROUS SITUATION, HAVE TO BE ABLE TO MOVE, UH, AS THREATS ARE BEING IMPOSED TO 'EM.
SO THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SHOOT AND TRAIN IN THESE ENVIRONMENTS.
SO WE NEED A RANGE THAT WOULD ALLOW THE MOVEMENT, UH, AROUND, UH, AROUND THE TARGETS, SO TO SPEAK.
RIGHT? UH, BUT IT'S NOT JUST FOR PISTOLS AND RIFLES.
SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE, UH, IMPACT, UH, WEAPONS, UH, THEY'RE LESS LETHAL.
SO IF YOU'VE EVER SEEN A BEAN BAG SHOTGUN, FOR INSTANCE, UH, WHEN LETHAL FORCE CAN'T BE USED, WE GOTTA HAVE TO HAVE A PLACE TO TRAIN FOR THIS TOO.
AND SOME RANGES WON'T EVEN ALLOW US TO USE THAT TYPE OF, UH, EQUIPMENT ON THE RANGES.
SO THEN WE GOTTA FIND ANOTHER SPOT.
SO WE HAVE TO KEEP MOVING AROUND TO FIND PLACES TO DO EACH ONE OF THESE TRAININGS.
OUR CANINE OFFICERS, THEY TRAVELED OTHER JURISDICTIONS AND THEY'RE PART OF THE, UH, CANINE POLICE ASSOCIATION.
THAT GROUP TRAINS TOGETHER FOR NARCOTICS, ARTICLE SEARCHES, PERSON SEARCHES, AND THEY TRAVEL TO OTHER LOCALITIES.
THEY TRAIN WITH OTHER CANINE OFFICERS.
AND SO THEY MAY GO TO SAY, UH, GREEN COUNTY TO TRAIN, UM, ON, ON ONE MONTH OR ONE QUARTER, UH, BUT WE'RE HAVING TO GO OUT EVERY SINGLE TIME.
INSTEAD OF ME, THE GROUPS SHARE A LOCATION, THEN OUR OFFICERS DON'T HAVE TO GO, AND WE GET THIS GOOD CROSS CROSS TRAINING DONE WITH THEM.
SO HAVING A PLACE TO EVEN LOCALLY TO DO SOME CANINE TRAINING WOULD BE, UH, VERY, VERY HELPFUL.
UH, SEARCH AND RESCUE, THIS IS SO IMPORTANT.
WE'VE HAD A RECENT SEARCH AND RESCUE OPERATION FOR SOMEONE, UH, ACTUALLY TWO THAT WERE IN CRISIS AND, UH, NEEDED ASSISTANCE.
AND SO WHEN YOU GO, SAY, LET'S SAY WE CHOOSE A PARK OUT HERE LOCALLY TO DO TRAIN, WELL, THE PUBLIC GETS ALERTED TO US WALKING AROUND DOING TRAINING.
AND IT'S ALSO OUR ATTENTION NOW IS JUST TO THE TRAINING AND NOT NECESSARILY PAYING ATTENTION TO OUR SURROUNDINGS, UH, AS BEST WE CAN.
SO HAVING A PLACE THAT WE CAN SAFELY TRAIN AWAY FROM THE PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO DO PROJECT LIFESAVER TRAINING, TO DO GRID SEARCHES, TO DO OPEN AIR, UH, SEARCHES WITH SEARCH AND RESCUE TEAMS. IT'S VERY, VERY CRUCIAL TO HAVE A SPOT TO DO THIS.
AND IT'S A CHALLENGE TO FIND LOCATIONS TO DO THIS.
ALSO, UH, OUR SPECIAL OPERATIONS TEAM, UH, IT'S, WE CALL IT A SWAT TEAM.
UH, THAT'S WHAT YOU, UH, WE REFER TO AS A SWAT TEAM.
SO YOU'RE, IT'S MORE COMMONLY KNOWN AS A SWAT TEAM.
OUR SPECIAL OPERATIONS, UH, IT'S ALSO, AGAIN, VERY DIFFICULT.
SO YOU GO TO ANOTHER RANGE THAT BELONGS TO ANOTHER AGENCY.
THEY DON'T REALLY WANT US MANY TIMES DOING THAT KIND OF TRAINING THERE.
LIKE, HEY, IF YOU WANNA DO ANNUAL QUALIFICATION, THAT'S FINE.
WE DON'T HAVE THE KIND OF RESOURCES TO ALLOW YOU TO SHOOT EXTRA THINGS ON OUR RANGES.
SO WE HAVE, IT'S EVEN A BIGGER CHALLENGE TO GET OUR SPECIAL OPERATIONS TEAM TO A PLACE WHERE THEY CAN TRAIN, UH, EFFICIENTLY AND TO THE HIGHEST STANDARDS, YOU KNOW, TO, TO GIVE US THE BEST PUBLIC SAFETY THAT THEY CAN.
UH, SO THESE JURISDICTION RANGES, MANY OF 'EM ARE AN HOUR
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AWAY.UH, SOME OF THEM, YOU KNOW, 45 MINUTES OR SO AWAY.
UH, THE TOWN ON FRONT ROYAL IS, UH, VERY CLOSE, UH, BUT IT'S ALSO, UH, NOT THAT AVAILABLE.
UH, USUALLY FOR LIKE NEW HIRES, IF YOU'RE GONNA GO DOWN FOR A HALF AN HOUR, IT'S A LOT MORE AVAILABLE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT WHEN YOU'RE SAYING 74 OFFICERS OVER A PERIOD OF, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, UH, FIVE TO, YOU KNOW, SEVEN DAYS, THAT'S A LOT OF TIME, UH, ON SOMEONE'S RANGE, RIGHT? UM, AND SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY GUARANTEES FOR THESE USAGES RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE SCHEDULED TO GO TO HARPER'S FERRY.
IT'S THE ONLY RANGE THAT WE HAVE SCHEDULED FOR THE FALL.
IT'S THE ONLY PLACE WE COULD FIND THAT WOULD SUIT OUR, OUR TRAINING NEEDS.
AND SO HARPER'S FERRY, IT'S AN HOUR AWAY, AND, UH, IT, IT'S NOT GUARANTEED.
THEY, THEY, THEY TOLD US WE HAD TO WAIT UNTIL 30 DAYS OUT BEFORE THEY COULD TELL US FOR SURE.
AND SO WE GET THE 30 DAYS OUT, AND THEY TELL US WE CAN'T USE A RANGE.
NOW WE'RE SCRAMBLING TO FIND A NEW LOCATION.
AND WHEN YOU SET SCHEDULES, YOU SET THOSE SCHEDULES SOMETIMES MANY MONTHS OUT.
AND SO NOW WE'RE HAVING TO CHANGE THE OFFICER'S SCHEDULES AND, YOU KNOW, IT AFFECTS OVERTIME AND, UH, IT BECOMES VERY BURDENSOME, UH, ON THE SUPERVISORS.
UH, SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE RANGES, SO YOU CAN SEE IN THE PICTURE RIGHT THERE, UH, DOWN LOW, UH, LET'S SEE.
IS THERE A POINTER ON THIS? I DUNNO IF I CAN GET THAT RIGHT.
RIGHT ABOUT, WELL, WHERE THE SQUARE IS, IS WHERE THE, UH, WHERE THE RECTANGLE IS, WHERE THE, UH, THE RANGE LOCATION'S GONNA BE.
THE BELOW THAT, THAT OPEN FIELD, THAT'S, THAT'S LANDFILL TRANSFER STATION.
AND THEN, UH, TO THE LEFT, YOU'RE GONNA SEE, UM, SHANGRI, UH, ROAD OVER THERE TO THE LEFT.
LET'S SEE IF I CAN GET THIS PRINTER GONE.
WELL, IT'S NOT GOING ON THE SCREEN.
UH, SO THIS, THIS IS, UH, THIS IS THE VIEW OF THE LAND, AND YOU COULD, THE, THE, THE POINT WHERE WE'RE GONNA GO IS, UH, TOWARDS THE WOODED AREA AND TOWARDS THE MOUNTAIN.
THAT'S WHERE THE SHOOTING DIRECTION WILL BE, UH, IF, UH, IF THIS IS, UH, ALLOWED TO MOVE FORWARD.
UM, THE COST SAVINGS, UM, THIS IS, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE ACTUALLY UNDERESTIMATING THIS.
I HAD A, A MUCH LARGER NUMBER.
UM, WE WENT BACK AND WORKED ON THIS, AND THIS IS JUST TRAVEL TIME.
THIS IS LITERALLY JUST THE TRAVEL TIME TO, UH, RANGE AN HOUR AWAY.
IT'S $15,000 IN TRAVEL AND OVERTIME JUST FOR THE TRAVEL TIME IS WHAT WE'RE SPENDING PER YEAR.
UH, SO WE CAN ALSO REDUCE OUR NUMBER OF DAYS FROM FIVE TO EIGHT ON THESE SMALLER RANGES, DOWN TO THREE TO FOUR IF WE HAD A PROPER SIZE RANGE TO, TO TRAIN ON.
UH, I, I'VE BEEN, UM, A LAW ENFORCEMENT, UH, FIREARMS INSTRUCTOR FOR 15 YEARS.
I'VE BEEN IN LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR 20 YEARS.
AND, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THEY TEACH US IN, UH, INSTRUCTOR SCHOOLS, UH, RIGHT OFF THE TOP IS OUR LEGAL AND LIABILITY ISSUES WITH A FAILURE TO TRAIN.
AND SO THIS IS THE CASE LAW, UH, THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT.
IF WE DO FAIL TO TRAIN OUR OFFICERS, IT IS NOT JUST ME AS AN INSTRUCTOR OR THE SHERIFF AS A SUPERVISOR, BUT EVEN THE LOCALITY ITSELF IS HELD LIABLE IN CASES WHERE THERE IS A, UM, A NEED TO TRAIN, BUT THAT TRAINING WAS NOT MET, AND THEN SOMEBODY'S CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS ARE VIOLATED DUE TO A FAILURE TO TRAIN OR A FAILURE TO SUPERVISE.
AND THIS IS THE CASE LAW THAT, UH, THAT MAN THAT MANDATES THAT, THAT, UH, GOVERNS THAT, THAT PROCESS.
SO THERE, THERE IS A LEGAL LIABILITY, UH, ISSUE WITH US MEETING THESE NEEDS.
OKAY? UM, AND THAT'S, YOU CAN, YOU CAN LOOK THAT UP, UH, IF YOU LIKE, OR WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT MORE.
THIS IS THE PART THAT, UH, WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THIS.
UH, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND A LOCATION THAT HAS THE LEAST AMOUNT OF IMPACT TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND SO, UM, THEY'RE ON THIS, UH, MAP, AND I BELIEVE YOU HAVE ONE IN THE PROPOSAL THERE, THE RED AND WHITE CIRCLE GOING AROUND THE OUTSIDE.
EACH ASTERISK WITHIN, UH, THAT RADIUS IS, UM, DESIGNATED RESIDENCE.
UM, AND THEN THE FIREARMS RANGE, YOU CAN SEE IT'S BRIGHT GREEN, UH, IN THE CENTER THERE.
AND THERE'S AN ARROW SHOWING, UH, THE DIRECTION THAT, UH, THE SHOOTING WOULD BE.
SO WE'D PUT IT IN THE FURTHEST CORNER, UM, AWAY FROM AS MANY, UH, RESIDENCES AS WE CAN.
SO EVEN THE MUZZLE FLASH IS GOING IN THAT DIRECTION.
THE SOUND IS GOING PRIMARILY IN THAT DIRECTION.
UH, ANY OTHER DIRECTION WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN SAFE.
SO WE FOUND THE SAFEST SPOT TO DO THIS.
THERE IS QUITE AN A, UM, AN INCLINE, UH, TOWARDS THE MOUNTAIN.
THERE ARE MORE PHOTOS WE'LL SHOW ON THAT.
UH, BUT THIS GIVES YOU AN OVERALL VIEW OF WHAT, UM, HOW MANY RESIDENCES ARE INVOLVED AND HOW MANY MIGHT BE AROUND, UH, AROUND THE AREA.
SO GOING OVER EACH ONE OF THOSE ISSUES.
UH, THE RANGE, UH, THIS LOCATION, UH, IT, IT WOULD BE VERY SAFE FOR FARMS RANGE BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED, UH, WITH A NATURAL BACKSTOP AND THE INCLINE IN HOW WE WOULD, UM, GRADE THE GROUND.
WE WOULD HAVE HAVE A, A VERY NICE BERM AND VERY SAFE AREA TO SHOOT THAT WOULD NOT EVEN GET OUT, UH, OUT OF THIS AREA AT ALL.
IT WOULD BE VERY WELL CONTAINED AND VERY SAFE, UH, FOR THAT PURPOSE.
IT HAS A VERY NI UH, VERY NICE NATURAL BACKSTOP.
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INDUSTRIAL TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA.UH, SO THERE'S, THERE'S DUMP TRUCKS GOING, THERE'S, THERE'S NOISE AND THINGS, UH, FROM, UH, THE TRANSFER STATION.
SO CHOOSING AN AREA THAT ALREADY HAD NOISE WAS ALSO A, A CONSIDERATION.
SO WE DIDN'T WANNA CHOOSE AN AREA THAT WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, SAY WITHIN TOWN LIMITS.
UH, LIKE THE TOWN REY HAS THEIRS.
WHEN THE TOWN LIMITS COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY RESIDENCES, WE FIGURED THAT WOULD'VE BEEN, UH, QUITE A CHALLENGE.
UH, BUT WE'RE ALSO HAVING DIFFICULTY, UH, FINDING ANY AREA THAT, UM, THAT MEETS THE SAFETY NEEDS THAT IS COUNTY OWNED.
UH, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT MORE TOO.
UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT 20 TO 25, UH, DAYS, TRAINING DAYS PER YEAR, 20 TO 25 DAYS THAT, UH, THIS WILL BE HAPPENING.
UM, MOST OF THOSE DAYS ARE A HALF AN HOUR OR AN HOUR, IS ALL THAT, UH, ANY, ANY ACTIVITY WOULD BE GOING ON, UH, IN THIS AREA.
UH, SO THE ANNUAL QUALIFICATIONS, UH, THAT'S TWICE A YEAR.
UH, AND FOR, SAY, FOUR DAYS EACH TIME, THAT'S EIGHT DAYS.
EIGHT OF THESE DAYS ARE LONGER DAYS.
EVERYTHING ELSE WOULD BE SHORT PERIODS OF TIME THAT WOULD BE OUT THERE.
SO 25 DAYS OUT OF THE 365 DAYS, WEEKENDS WOULD BE AVOIDED AT ALMOST EVERY COST THAT WE POSSIBLY COULD.
WE WOULD NOT WANT TO SHOOT ON THE WEEKENDS.
UH, I, IT WOULD'VE TO BE AN EXTREME CIRCUMSTANCE.
UH, I WOULD THINK IF WE WERE TO NEED TO DO ANYTHING ON A WEEKEND, WE WOULD AVOID THAT AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
AS FAR AS TRAFFIC IN THE AREA, WE, WE ESTIMATE 15 VEHICLES.
UH, 15 TO 20 VEHICLES, LIKE 20 WOULD BE A VERY BUSY TIME, UM, YOU KNOW, TO PUT VEHICLES ON THE PROPERTIES TO TRAIN TO GET THE NUMBER OF OFFICERS WE NEED IN THAT LOCATION.
UM, ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL SIDE OF IT, THERE, THERE'S ALWAYS A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT PUTTING A RANGE AND HOW THAT MIGHT ENVIRONMENTALLY IMPACT.
WE HAVE, UH, MET WITH DEQ, AND WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH DEQS, UH, REQUIREMENTS AND ALSO IN COMPLIANCE WITH, UH, EPA.
SO WE DID DO ALL OUR RESEARCH IN THOSE AREAS.
AND THERE'S DETAILS IN THE PROPOSAL ABOUT WHAT THOSE ARE.
UH, WE'RE NOT REQUESTING ANY FUNDING.
UH, PHASE ONE, UH, WILL COST NOTHING FOR US AT THIS POINT.
UH, ALL THE WORK TO PUT THIS TOGETHER IS BEING DONATED, UH, OR AT LEAST, UH, PLEDGED TO BE DONATED AT THIS POINT.
SO THERE'S NO, UH, THERE'S NO MONEY REQUESTED, UH, FOR THIS PROJECT RIGHT NOW.
AND SO YOU CAN SEE THE NATURAL BACKSTOP HERE.
THIS IS A GREAT PHOTO TO SHOW YOU, UH, THAT, AGAIN, THAT LITTLE RECTANGLE WE'RE IN THE FAR CORNER, UH, AND THEN THE MOUNTAINS THERE, YOU CAN SEE THE LAND AROUND IT.
UM, MOST OF THE RESIDENCES ARE IN THAT WOODED, UH, TOWARDS THAT WOODED AREA TO THE LEFT.
THAT'S WHERE MOST OF THE RESIDENCES, UH, ARE.
SOME ARE ACROSS THE ROAD, UH, COMING THIS WAY TOWARDS US.
UH, AND, UM, YEAH, SO THEN THE QUESTION COMES ABOUT LEAD.
SO ACCORDING TO THE, UM, RCRA, IT'S A RESOURCE CONSERVATION RECOVERY ACT.
LEAD SHOT IS NOT CONSIDERED HAZARDOUS MATERIAL AS LONG AS IT'S BEING USED FOR ITS INTENDED PURPOSE.
SO WE CHECK WITH THE EPA, WE CHECK THE ACT.
IF IT'S BEING FIRED OUT OF A FIREARM, IT'S NOT HAZARDOUS WASTE.
IF IT IS BEING RECYCLED BACK OUT OF THE GROUND, IT'S NOT HAZARDOUS WASTE.
SO IT DOESN'T FALL UNDER THE ACT, AND IT'S NOT GOVERNED BY THE ACT IN THAT SENSE.
UH, WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT IT.
SO WE DO HAVE IN OUR PLAN TO RECYCLE THAT METAL ON THE SCHEDULE THAT IT WOULD BE TAKEN OUTTA THE GROUND AND IT WOULD BE RECYCLED.
WE DON'T WANT TO KEEP THE METAL THERE.
UM, THERE WAS, UH, SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT DO WE USE JACKETED BULLETS OR JUST SOLID LEAD.
UH, SO OUR BULLETS ARE JACKETED.
THEY'RE COVERED IN COPPER, UH, WHICH GIVES A SUGGESTION.
IT WOULD HAVE LESS LEACHING AND, UH, LEAD DEPOSITING WITHIN THE GROUND BECAUSE IT'S COVERED BY A COPPER JACKET.
UM, SO THE RANGE WILL BE GRADED, UH, TO PREVENT RUNOFF TO AREAS THAT WOULD HAVE SOME CONCERN.
UH, WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY WORK WITH BUILDING AND PLANNING TO MAKE SURE THAT IS, UH, THAT IS DONE PROPERLY.
AND, UM, UH, THE RECOMMENDATION WAS THREE TO FIVE YEARS FOR RANGE AT THIS.
UM, AT THIS LEVEL, AS FAR AS HOW MUCH IT WOULD BE USED EVERY THREE TO FIVE YEARS, YOU GO IN AND RAKE OUT THE, THE LEAD.
UM, THERE IS OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE COMPANIES CONTRACT FOR THAT.
SO IT'S POSSIBLE TO EVEN RECEIVE MONEY BACK FROM THE LEAD.
SO THEY COME IN, THEY COLLECT THE LEAD, THEY PAY YOU FOR HOW MUCH LEAD DID THEY, UH, GET OUT OF THE GROUND.
SO THERE'S EVEN A CHANCE TO GET MONEY BACK FROM THAT.
UH, THE DEQ COMPLIANCE, WE MET WITH DEQ.
THIS IS, UH, THIS IS THEIR LIST OF THINGS THAT, UH, FOR US TO BE IN COMPLIANCE.
UH, THIS IS LANDFILL PROPERTY.
SO THEY SAID, IF YOU MEET THESE, WE HAVE NO ISSUE, UH, WITH, WITH THE RANGE GOING THERE.
UH, SO THEY SAID THE RANGE CANNOT BE LOCATED WHERE WASTE DISPOSAL HAS OCCURRED.
THERE'S NO WASTE ON THIS SECTION OF GROUND.
THIS WAS, THIS LAND WAS PURCHASED AS A BUFFER TO THE LANDFILL TO MAKE SURE NOTHING DID GO INTO, UH, THIS PROPERTY.
SO THERE'S NO TRASH ON THIS SITE RIGHT HERE.
UH, IT WON'T INTERFERE WITH THE TRANSFER STATION ACTIVITY.
WE WILL NOT, UH, WE, WE, UM, AS LONG AS WE'RE NOT LIKE HOLDING PEOPLE FROM GOING IN OR WE'RE BLOCKING THE LANES AND THESE TYPES OF THINGS, WE WON'T.
WE, ALL WE NEED IS ACCESS, UH, THROUGH THE TRANSFER STATION TO THE SITE, WHICH IS, UM, LOCATED AWAY FROM, UH, LANDFILL ACTIVITY.
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LIMIT THE ACCESS TO OFFICIAL BUSINESS AND TRAINING.UH, DEQ REQUIRED THAT, THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM.
WE, THIS IS NOT TO BE OPEN FOR PUBLIC USE.
THIS IS JUST SHERIFF'S OFFICE PUBLIC SAFETY USE.
UH, WE WOULD HAVE TO ENSURE THAT WE RESTRICT ACCESS FROM A LEGAL DISPOSAL, PARTICULARLY AFTER HOURS.
UH, I DON'T SEE MUCH AFTER HOURS TRAINING OCCURRING.
UH, BUT IF, SAY WE WERE TO TRAIN, UH, ON A HOLIDAY OR TRAIN, UM, LOW LIGHT, UH, WHICH WE HAVE TO DO, UH, MANDATED ONCE A YEAR TO TRAIN LOW LIGHT, AND THAT'S IN THE EVENING.
WE CHOOSE AN EVENING WHEN, YOU KNOW, IN THE FALL WHEN IT GETS DARK A LITTLE SOONER, SO DOESN'T TOO LATE.
WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SHOOT WITH OUR FLASHLIGHTS IN LOW LIGHT SCENARIO AT LEAST ONCE A YEAR.
AND, UH, SO THAT MAY BE WHEN THE LANDFILLS CLOSED.
SO WE HAVE TO ENSURE THAT WE WON'T ALLOW PEOPLE IN TO DUMP TRASH.
UH, DEQ WAS, UH, ADAMANT ABOUT THAT.
WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT EITHER.
UM, ACCESS THROUGH THE TRANSFER STATION, JUST FOR RANGE USE AND ALL CONSTRUCTION DESIGNED, UH, NEEDS TO BE DESIGNED TO PROTECT ANY VENTS OR PROBES, UH, THAT ARE ON THE PROPERTY.
THERE ARE CURRENTLY TWO VENTS ON THIS PROPERTY, AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF THEM THAT ARE ON THE PROPERTY LINE THAT'S STILL IN THE TRASH SIDE.
UH, BUT THERE ARE TWO ACTUALLY ON THIS, UH, SITE.
AND I, THERE'S MAPS AGAIN THAT SHOW THE DISTANCE, UH, FROM THESE VENTS AND HOW THAT WE'VE, UM, UH, CREATED ENOUGH OF A BUFFER TO, UH, TO STAY AWAY FROM THEM.
SO THIS, UH, THIS, UH, IS A CLOSEUP OF THE RANGE DESIGN.
UH, THE RECTANGLE IN WHITE, THAT IS THE ONLY AREA THAT SHOOTING WILL OCCUR ONLY IN THAT AREA.
UH, THE GRAY AREA IS A BUFFERED AREA FOR SAFETY.
UH, THE, UM, THERE'S A TARGET LINE, AND THEN THE BERM ABOUT 30 FEET BEHIND THAT.
AND THAT BERM IS WHERE WE WOULD COLLECT, UH, THE EXPENDED, UH, ROUNDS FROM THAT AREA.
THE BLUE, UH, CIRCLES RIGHT IN THE CENTER IS THE LOCATION OF A VENT OR A WELL PROBE.
OKAY? AND SO YOU HAVE TWO OF THOSE.
UM, AND WHAT WE'RE SHOWING YOU IS THE BUFFER OUT FROM THESE VENTS AND HOW CLOSE IT IS TO THE SHOOTING LANE.
SO IN THE CONVERSATION WITH DEQ, LIKE, HOW FAR DO WE HAVE TO BE, UH, FROM SHOOTING FROM THIS? AND THEY SAID, THERE IS NO SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATION.
THEY DON'T HAVE A RECOMMENDATION.
JUST SAY, YOU SHOULD STAY AWAY.
I'M LIKE, WELL, HOW FAR? YOU KNOW, 300 FEET, 20 FEET, 10 FEET, WHAT IS IT? SHE GOES, WELL, 30 FEET, IT'S OPEN AIR.
UH, IF THERE WERE METHANE, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, IT, 30 FEET'S PLENTY ENOUGH FOR IT TO DISSIPATE.
WE, WE'VE GOT A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER.
AND, UH, WE WERE TOLD BY DEQ DURING THE CONVERSATION, THERE HASN'T BEEN METHANE DETECTED IN 10 YEARS AT THIS LOCATION.
SO THERE'S BEEN NO METHANE DETECTED IN 10 YEARS, UH, AT THIS, UH, TRANSFER STATION, UH, WASTE DISPOSAL AREA, UH, WHAT IS THE, THE, THE, UH, DURATION OF THE, UH, IS IT, SO HAVE YOU WALK OVER TO THE, TO THE SCREEN FOR YOU.
SO THIS RED LINE IS A, IS A BERM THAT WOULD STOP, UH, YOU KNOW, STOP.
THE TARGET LINE IS HERE, BUT THE BERM, REALLY, NO, NO.
IT'S A HUNDRED FEET FROM THE SHOOTING.
YEAH, WE SHOWED THIS ONE HERE.
UH, SO HOW FAR WE FROM PARK ANOTHER ACTIVITY.
UH, SO WE, AND THIS IS, UH, THIS IS FROM
SO, UH, CORY, UH, HERE PUT THESE TOGETHER.
THEY'RE TO SCALE, UH, AS MUCH AS SCALE COULD POSSIBLY BE, UH, USING THE CAD IMAGES THAT CAME FROM THE LABEL CORPORATION.
SO, UH, WE, WE WANTED TO STAY IN COMPLIANCE WITH, UH, ALL FUTURE USE OF THE LANDFILL.
AND WHAT'S, UH, WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED FOR THE EXPANSION, UH, AS FAR AS BUFFER PROPERTY.
SO THIS RIGHT HERE IS PHASE ONE.
THIS IS, UH, ALL WE'RE HOPING TO ACCOMPLISH IN A PHASE ONE PLAN.
AND EVERYTHING THAT YOU SEE IN THAT PICTURE RIGHT THERE, UH, WE'RE NOT REQUESTING ANY FUNDING FOR NOTHING.
UM, AND SO THE RANGE IS ABOUT 500 FEET BY ABOUT 700 FEET.
WE WOULD PUT IN A GATE, WE'D LEVEL OFF THE GROUND IN A AREA TO PARK IN A DRIVEWAY.
THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO FOR PHASE ONE.
UM, IF, IF PERMITTED, WE WOULD PUT IN A LITTLE MORE THING.
SO A SHELTER, YOU CAN IMAGINE, ESPECIALLY ON THESE HOT DAYS, IF WE'RE OUT TRAINING THIS WEEK, IT'D BE VERY DIFFICULT TO TRAIN IN THE HEAT.
SO, SO LIKE A SHELTER OF SOME SORT, YOU KNOW, A PAVILION, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A SHELTER, OPEN AIR, NOT ENCLOSED.
WE WOULDN'T PUT ANY ENCLOSED BUILDINGS ON THE SITE THAT IS NOT IN OUR PLAN.
SO A COUPLE SHELTERS, ONE IN A 50 YARD LINE, ONE NEAR THE PARKING AREA TO CLEAN YOUR WEAPONS, GET OUT OF THE, THE RAIN OR WEATHER TO TAKE A BREAK, UH, FROM, UH, FROM TRAINING, UH, A KINE OBSTACLE COURSE, OR THE SO, OR SWAT COURSE.
SO IF YOU'VE EVER SEEN LIKE, UH, UH, AN AGILITY COURSE FOR DOGS, UH, IT'S JUST A SMALL AGILITY COURSE IS, UH, SOMETHING FOR OUR DOGS TO WORK ON.
THE REST OF THE GROUND AREA WILL BE USED FOR SEARCH AND RESCUE AND NARCOTICS DETECTION, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, THE SOCK COURSE OR OBSTACLE COURSE.
IT LOOKS MORE LIKE, KINDA LIKE THE MILITARY OBSTACLE COURSES, IF YOU'VE EVER SEEN THE ROPES AND THE NETS AND THE LEVELS.
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UH, THIS GIVES OUR GUYS AN OPPORTUNITY TO TRAIN.NO FIREARMS ARE USED IN THESE AREAS.
THESE AREAS RIGHT HERE ARE JUST FOR, UM, PHYSICAL, UH, TYPE EXERCISES AND TRAINING.
SO THEY CAN TRAIN IN TEAMS IN A SAFE AREA THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT, UH, THE PUBLIC ENCROACHING ON THEM WHILE THEY'RE TRYING TO TRAIN.
IT CAN BE VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND A LOCATION WHERE YOU CAN SAFELY TRAIN AWAY FROM THE PUBLIC AND NOT HAVE TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, FOLKS SNEAKING UP ON YOU, KIND OF, KIND OF THING.
RIGHT? UM, THE LAW FIT COURSE IS AN EXERCISE COURSE.
UH, IT'S A, IT'S A WALL A STEP, AND, UH, UM, IT'S A KIND OF A THING YOU CRAWL UNDER, IT'S LIKE THREE, UH, THREE OBSTACLES TOTAL.
IT'S AN EXERCISE COURSE THAT WE PUT ALL OF OUR NEW, NEW HIRES THROUGH, AND A CHANCE FOR OFFICERS TO, UH, EVEN STAY FIT AND WORK THROUGH.
SO IT'S LIKE A PURSUIT TRAINING COURSE.
SO IF YOU'RE IN A FOOT PURSUIT, YOU DO THE LAW FIT COURSE, YOU JUMP THROUGH A WINDOW, YOU GO OVER A WALL, YOU CRAWL UNDER SOMETHING, IT'S A WAY TO KEEP OUR OFFICERS FIT AND HEALTHY, UH, WHILE ON THE JOB.
SO AT THIS POINT, YOU KNOW, THE PROGRESS OF THIS PROPOSAL IS WE HAVE CONSULTED WITH LANDFILL STAFF, UH, MIKE BERRY, JAMIE, UH, UH, LANCE, WE SPOKE WITH THEM.
THEY MET WITH US IN DEQ, UH, THE GUIDANCE AND REQUIREMENTS WITH DEQ AND EPA.
WE, WE HAVE MET ALL THOSE REQUIREMENTS AT THIS POINT.
UH, THE RANGE DESIGN AND PLAN, UH, WE HAVE PUT IT TOGETHER.
UH, AND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS OPEN FOR ADJUSTMENTS.
UH, WE, THIS IS WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO.
UH, BUT WE'RE ALSO STILL LOOKING FOR RECOMMENDATIONS AND, YOU KNOW, UH, THINGS FROM THIS POINT.
UH, THE APPLICATION FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, WE DID, UH, COMPLETE AN APPLICATION.
WE HAVE DELIVERED IT TO PLANNING.
AND, UH, THAT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I GUESS, UH, UP TO THAT, UH, DIVISION TO KEEP WORKING ON.
UH, AND WE HAVE BEEN MEETING WITH RESIDENTS IN THE AREA OF SHANGRILA.
UH, I HAVEN'T MET WITH EVERYONE.
I'VE ANSWERED A FEW PHONE CALLS, AND I DID MEET IT WITH THE HOMEOWNERS.
UH, SUNDAY, I WENT OUT TO THEIR HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION MEETING ON SUNDAY AND DID SIT DOWN WITH THEM FOR ABOUT 40 MINUTES AND, UH, HAD, UH, FRIENDLY CONVERSATION.
UM, THAT'S, UM, THAT'S THE ENTIRE PROPOSAL.
UH, AS IT STANDS, UH, IT ISN'T ALL THE INFORMATION, BUT IT IS OUR PRESENTATION, UH, FOR, UM, THE TRAINING SITE.
AND, UH, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE FROM THIS POINT.
YEAH, I, I HAVE SEVERAL, UM, UH, A CONCERNED NEIGHBOR, UH, E EMAILED ME AND THEY WANTED TO SEE IF SOME ALTERNATE SITES HAVE BEEN CHECKED OUT FIRST.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE DONE A LOT OF WORK IN THAT ALREADY, BUT I JUST WANTED TO READ OFF A LIST OF SITES.
AND IF, IF ANY OF THEM HAVEN'T BEEN CHECKED, UH, COULD YOU JUST ADVISE? THEY, THEY MENTIONED ISAAC WALTON, UH, THE FOUR H, UH, US CUSTOMS UP ON, UH, HARMONY CHURCH ROAD.
UM, SOMETHING ON CALIN MOUNTAIN, I'M NOT FAMILIAR.
I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT ONE.
UM, AND THEN, UH, THE OLD FIRE DEPARTMENT BURN BUILDING SITE UP BEHIND THE, UH, SMITHSONIAN.
UH, ISAAC WALTON, UH, THE, UH, THEIR RANGE THAT THEY HAVE OUT THERE, THEY HAVE A ARCHERY, AND THEY DO HAVE A LITTLE SHOOTING RANGE FOR KIDS OUT THERE.
UH, IF, IF YOU WERE EVEN TO LOOK AT THE PHOTO OF, OF THE RANGE ON THEIR WEBSITE, IT'S, IT IS NOWHERE NEAR ADEQUATE FOR A LAW ENFORCEMENT TRAINING AREA.
IT WOULD TAKE A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF WORK AND DISTURBANCE IN THAT AREA TO MAKE A RANGE WORK.
UH, BUT THEN IT WOULD'VE BEEN ON PRIVATE LAND, AND YOU HAVE THE DIFFICULTY OF, UH, ENSURING THAT FUTURE USE.
UH, SO AT THIS POINT, THAT IS, UH, IT DOESN'T EVEN COME CLOSE TO MEETING THE NEEDS.
UH, THEY SHOOT 20 TWOS MM-HMM.
UH, BUT IT WOULDN'T MEET THE NEEDS OF A PUBLIC SAFETY AGENCY.
UM, WHAT WAS THE SECOND ONE? UH, THE FOUR H CENTER.
I THINK THEY HAVE AN OLD RANGE THAT'S PROBABLY EITHER DEFUNCT OR ONLY USED FOR ARCHERY NOW.
SO, UH, IT'S ONLY ARCHERY NOW.
UH, THE FOUR H RANGE IS ONLY FOR ARCHERY NOW.
UM, AND THE CUSTOMS, UH, AREA, YOU MENTIONED THAT, UH, CUSTOMS RANGE HAS BEEN TAKEN DOWN.
UH, IT IS NO LONGER IN USE RIGHT NOW.
UH, THEY HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT MAYBE REBUILDING THAT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY, AGAIN, NO GUARANTEES IN THAT WAY.
THEY CAN JUST PULL THE PLUG, JUST LIKE HARPERS FERRY.
UH, THEY JUST DON'T GUARANTEE, UH, AND ACCESS TO, UH, IF, IF THEY BILL, I UNDERSTAND IT'S AN INDOOR RANGE, WHICH WOULD NOT ALLOW FOR, UH, COMPLETE TRAINING.
AND SO MUCH OF OUR ACTIVITIES DONE OUTDOORS, UH, NOT NECESSARILY INDOORS.
AND, UH, TO NOT BE ABLE TO MOVE AND SHOOT TO BE AGAIN IN A STATIC LANE IS NOT IDEAL TRAINING.
UH, SO, UM, THE CUSTOMS, UH, IS, DOESN'T HAVE A SITE RIGHT NOW.
THERE'S NOTHING THERE THAT WE CAN USE.
UM, YOU MENTIONED CAT LIT MOUNTAIN.
IS THERE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THERE'S SOMETHING UP THERE, BUT SOMEWHERE.
SO CAT LIT MOUNTAIN, WE DID LOOK AT THAT, UH, UP ON CAT LIT MOUNTAIN THERE, THERE'S A TOWN OWNED, THERE'S A PROPERTY OWNED BY THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, UH, THAT WITH WORK, UM, MUCH MORE WORK THAN THE SHANG LAW SITE, WOULDN'T HE? UH, THERE COULD BE USED, BUT THAT'S TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL PROPERTY.
UH, THAT'S NOT COUNTY PROPERTY.
THERE IS A SECTION UP THERE THAT IS COUNTY
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PROPERTY.UH, SO EVEN, EVEN STILL LOOKING AT THAT SITE, UM, IT IS, UM, SO I, I LIKE WHEN I LOOKED AT GI, IT IS LIKE FRONT ROW AND THEN COUNTY WARRANT IS, IS HOW IT APPEARED TO ME.
UH, AND SO THIS SIDE THAT SAYS COUNTY WARREN WOULD TAKE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF, UH, CLEARING AND, AND WORK TO EVEN CREATE A SAFE PLACE TO SHOOT.
IT DOESN'T HAVE THE NATURAL BACKSTOP, UH, THAT, THAT THIS SECTION, SO IT WOULDN'T BE AS SAFE.
AND YOU'D BE TRAVELING DIRECTLY THROUGH RESIDENCES OR PROPERTIES TO GET TO IT.
WHERE THIS SITE, WE DON'T HAVE TO GO BUY, UH, ANY HOMES THROUGH THE TRANSFER.
THE TRANSFER STATION GIVES US THIS AREA TO GO THROUGH AND A BIG BUFFER AGAINST OTHER PROPERTIES.
SO WE'RE NOT RIGHT UP AGAINST, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF RESIDENTIAL AREA.
SO THE PROPERTIES REALLY ISN'T IDEAL.
THE, UH, SHANGRI LAW SITE DOES HAVE MONITORING BY DEQ FOR WASTEWATER OR FOR GROUNDWATER, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
AND SO THEN IF WE CHOOSE ANOTHER SITE THAT DOESN'T HAVE THAT KIND OF MONITORING, THEN NOW WE GOTTA FIND A WAY TO MONITOR.
AND, UH, THERE WOULD BE A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
AND WE'RE ALREADY DOING IT AT THIS LOCATION.
SO CAT MOUNTAIN, UM, IN OUR RESEARCH DID NOT RISE TO THE TOP OF THE LIST.
UH, NOT SAYING THAT IT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE HAD THE MONEY TO INVEST IN IT, WE COULD PROBABLY GET IT DONE.
THIS SITE DOESN'T REQUIRE ANY FUNDING TO GET IT DONE.
WAS THERE ANY OTHERS? I'M SORRY.
UH, SO, UM, THAT LOCATION, UH, IS VERY SIMILAR TO CAT MOUNTAIN IN THAT IT WOULD TAKE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK TO GET IT DEVELOPED.
SO, UH, A AGAIN, IT'S LIKE, UM, THE, WHERE RESIDENCES SIT OUT FROM IT, YOU'D HAVE TO BUILD A VERY LARGE BERM MM-HMM.
AND, UH, THE BRUSH IN THAT AREA ISN'T, UH, THERE, THERE, THERE'S A LOT MORE WORK TO DO THERE.
SO THIS LAND UP AT SHANGRI LA, AGAIN, IT'S JUST, UH, IT'S A NATURAL BACKSTOP.
ALL YOU DO IS JUST LEVEL THE GROUND OUT, AND IT'S, AND IT'S DONE.
UH, ESA LANE, UH, IS, UH, A LITTLE MORE RESIDENTIAL.
AND AGAIN, NO MONITORING, UH, FOR, UH, GROUNDWATER.
SO IT, WHEN THE CONCERN COMES BACK AGAIN, WHAT ABOUT LEAD DEPOSIT AND LEAD GOING IN THE GROUNDWATER? WE HAVE NO WAY TO MONITOR IT AT OTHER LOCATIONS.
THE, THE TRANSFER SITE SITE, UH, TRANSFER STATION ALREADY HAS THAT IN PLACE, SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO GET THAT DONE.
AND THEN, UM, WITH 25 TRAINING DAYS PER YEAR, GIVE OR TAKE, UM, THAT, TO ME, THAT'S LESS THAN I WAS THINKING.
SO THAT HOPEFULLY IS GOOD NEWS.
BUT, UH, I'M WONDERING, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THOSE DAYS IN ADVANCE, UH, AND, UH, LET THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS KNOW, UH, WITH, WITH WARNING, UH, WELL, WE TYPICALLY WOULD NOT ANNOUNCE TRAINING DAYS MM-HMM.
WE'D PUT A SIGN UP, UH, SAY, HEY, LAW ENFORCEMENT TRAINING OCCURRING.
UH, BUT TO, UH, TO JUST LET IT BE KNOWN TO THE PUBLIC JUST AT LARGE, MAYBE THAT, HEY, WE'RE GONNA BE DOING THIS IN LOCATION.
MANY TIMES WE'RE DOING THE TRAINING UNARMED BECAUSE WE GOTTA DO SOMETHING A LITTLE SAFER.
SO WE'RE NOT PREPARED TO HANDLE ISSUES.
SO IF THERE WAS, UM, A SITUATION LIKE, UM, A BAD ACTOR WHO WANTED TO CREATE AN AMBLER SITUATION WHERE OFFICERS ARE NOT PREPARED FOR IT, THEN THAT WOULD BE THE SITUATION.
THAT'S WHY WE MIGHT NOT ADVERTISE AHEAD OF TIME.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF RECENT TRENDS, UM, IN ATTITUDES, BUT, UH, JUST LIKE MAYBE ADVISING THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS PRIVATELY AS OPPOSED TO A PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT MIGHT, MIGHT BE A NICE, COURTEOUS THING TO DO.
I, I THINK IT CAN BE POSSIBLE.
I'M, I'M NOT, I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING NO, I'M NOT A DECISION MAKER ON THAT ONE IN PARTICULAR.
UH, BUT I, I THINK THAT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE CAN PUT BACK INTO DISCUSSION.
UH, SHERIFF, MAYBE YOU WANT TO ANSWER THAT TONIGHT.
UH, BUT THAT WOULDN'T BE A DECISION FOR ME.
AND THEN MY LAST THING IS, I, I DID LOOK AT THE, UM, THE TOPOGRAPHY, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S A NATIONAL PARKLAND UP THE MOUNTAIN.
AND SO I WAS HAPPY TO SEE THAT, TO GET TO THE NEAREST TRAIL THAT HIKERS USE.
AND THAT'S, UH, THAT'S A 1600 FOOT TALL MOUNTAIN.
AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE STARTING AROUND 950 FEET I THINK.
SO THAT'S A, IT'S A PRETTY GOOD BACKSTOP RIGHT THERE, BUT YEAH, WELL, THE, WELL THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE RANGE ITSELF WOULD PREVENT ANYTHING FROM EVEN GOING OUTTA THE RANGE PROPERTY.
SO IT WOULD BE VERY, NOTHING WOULD GO BEYOND THAT.
THAT SAID, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO PUT, UM, JUST KIND LIKE PEOPLE POST FOR NO HUNTING, UH, PUT, UM, ON, ON TREES OR ON FENCING AROUND THE, LIKE, AROUND AN ARC AROUND THE AREA, YOU KNOW, FIRING, FIRING RANGE, DO NOT, DO NOT, UH, NO TRESPASSING, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT SUGGESTION.
WE CAN GO ALONG THE PROPERTY OF THE BORDER AND, UH, WE COULD PUT SIGNS, SAY, YOU KNOW, DO NOT ENTER LAW ENFORCEMENT TRAINING FACILITY FARMS IN USE.
UM, AND THEN THE, THE LAST THING IS, SOMEONE MENTIONED IN AN EMAIL TO ME ABOUT, UH, BROWN AND MORRISON CEMETERY IS NEAR THERE.
AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO CONSIDERATIONS, UH, THAT THIS WOULD BE DISRUPTIVE TO ANY FAMILY VISITING THAT CEMETERY OR ANYTHING OF THAT SORT.
I, I DON'T KNOW THE LOCATION OF THAT CEMETERY.
I'D HAVE TO GO TO LOOK TO SEE, UH, HOW CLOSE THAT WOULD BE.
I, I, I COULDN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION SPECIFICALLY.
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CAN YOU TELL, I KNOW THERE'S ONE, UM, GRAVEYARD.IF YOU LOOK, IF YOU, ON ONE BENTONVILLE ROAD, YOU'LL SEE THERE'S ONE PATCH OF TREES, AND THEN THE OLD CLOSED LANDFILL.
AND THE REASON THAT PATCH OF TREES IS ALLOWED IS BECAUSE IT'S A CEMETERY.
SO I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALK ABOUT.
AND THERE'S LOTS OF OLD CEMETERIES IN THAT AREA.
IT'S NOT ON THIS, IT'S NOT IN THAT SECTION.
I DUNNO IF THERE'S ANOTHER, BUT I'M AWARE OF NOT.
AND THEN I'VE RECEIVED, THERE WERE SOME OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT I THINK YOUR PRESENTATION ANSWERED THEM.
THE, THE, UH, UH, SERGEANT
AND SO, UM, SOME OF IT IS MANDATED.
SOME OF IT IS, UH, REQUIRED BY THE, THE USE OF THE EQUIPMENT ITSELF.
SO IF YOU USE A PARTICULAR TYPE OF EQUIPMENT, THERE MAY BE SOME MANDATE OR, UH, SOME LIABILITY ISSUE IF YOU DON'T TRAIN IT UP OR RECERTIFY.
SO LIKE FOR OUR FIREARMS, IF WE DON'T QUALIFY BY DECEMBER 31ST OF EACH YEAR, WE GOTTA TAKE THE FIREARM FROM THAT OFFICER.
HE CANNOT GO OUT AND WORK, OR WE GOTTA GET AN EXTENSION FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE SERVICES TO EXTEND THE TRAINING, UH, REQUIREMENT.
AND SO, UM, SO, SO THEN HAVING YOUR OWN AVAILABLE, UH, UM, SITE KIND OF TAKES THAT OUTTA THE EQUATION BECAUSE NOW YOU CAN, INSTEAD OF BEING BEHOLDEN TO SOMEBODY ELSE AND YOU KNOW, WELL, I HOPE I GET YOU THERE ON TIME, UH, THE, UH, YOU'VE GOT THAT ACCESS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT.
SO THE, IN THE SPRING, UH, WE WERE TRYING TO GET IN HARVEST FERRY AND WE WERE DENIED.
SO WE DID NOT GET, UH, THAT TRAINING DONE IN THE SPRING THAT WE TYPICALLY DO.
AND THEN NOW WE'RE, UH, UH, FACED WITH FALL TO GET IT ALL DONE IN THE FALL.
AND, UH, WE'RE STILL DEPENDING ON HARPERS FERRY TO LET US KNOW 30 DAYS OUT THAT WE CAN USE THE RANGE.
COULD, UM, DID WE GET A COPY OF THIS PRESENTATION? WE CAN.
WOULD YOU PLEASE, I'D LIKE TO HAVE A COPY OF IT AND OF COURSE, AN HONOR OF THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A COPY AS WELL.
UM, AND JUST FOR HISTORY, THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS COME TO THE BOARD ASKING TO DEVELOP THIS TRAINING FACILITY.
SO, UM, BACK IN 22, MY FIRST YEAR ON THE BOARD, IT WAS BROUGHT TO THE ATTENTION AND, UH, I, I DO SEE THE NEED FOR THE TRAINING FACILITY.
IT'S JUST TRYING TO FIND THE RIGHT PLACE FOR IT.
SO, UM, THE NEXT QUESTION, UM, WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, WHAT ABOUT THE, OUR NOISE ORDINANCE? HAVE YOU GONE OUT THERE AND MEASURED THE DBA TO SEE IF IT STANDS? IT'S WITHIN THE, UM, ORDINANCE? YES, WE DID.
UH, SO, AND WHAT IS IT? UH, SO, UH, WHAT WE DID IS WE TESTED RIGHT AT THE PROPERTY LINE, UH, 71 DECIBELS AT THE, UM, PROPERTY LINE ITSELF WITHIN THE RANGE FACILITY.
SO WHEN, UH, NOISE ORDINANCE IS MEASURED AT THE COMPLAINT AREA, SO LET'S SAY IT IS, UH, IT'S A RESIDENCE ACROSS THE ROAD AND THEY SAY, HEY, WE THINK IT'S TOO LOUD.
WE GO TO THE RESIDENCE ACROSS THE ROAD.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE MEASURE FROM.
SO WE MEASURE CLOSE TO THE SITE OF THE SHOOTING AND THE DECIBELS.
I MEAN, SO RIGHT NOW OUR DECIBEL IN OUR CONVERSATION WITH THE DECIBEL READING, WE'D BE AROUND 59.
UH, JUST WITH OUR CONVERSATION STANDING RIGHT HERE.
THIS IS ABOUT 59 DECIBELS IS WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW.
SO HAVE YOU ASHLEY, GONE OUT THERE AND MEASURED WITH THE AMOUNT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, AMMUNITION ROUNDS OF SHERIFF DEPUTIES THAT YOU'D HAVE OUT THERE? SO WHAT, WE DID NOT GO OUT WITH, UH, THE TOTAL NUMBER.
UH, WE DID NOT WANT TO CREATE THAT KIND OF, UH, SITUATION WITHOUT, UH, PLENTY OF NOTICE TO DO.
IT IS, AND WE HAVEN'T HAD PERMISSION TO ACTUALLY GET OUT THERE AND, AND DO SOMETHING OF, OF THAT.
WE DID DO IT WITH RIFLE, WHICH IS OUR, OUR LOUDEST WEAPON.
AND, UH, WE DID TEST IT, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, TO SEE THE DECIMAL LEVEL.
SO WHEN WE WENT BACK OUT TO, UM, I, I DON'T KNOW, WE, WE COULD TEST IT EVERY SINGLE PLACE, UH, THAT DAY WILL BE SHOOTING, YOU KNOW, ALL DAY AND JUST TRAVELING AROUND.
UH, SO IF WE WOULD LIKE A FURTHER STUDY, UH, WE COULD CERTAINLY DO THAT.
UH, WE DON'T MIND, UH, STUDYING THAT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER IF YOU WANTED TO SEE, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH IMPACT THAT WOULD HAVE BEYOND THAT.
UH, YEAH, I, YOU KNOW, WE DID SET A PRECEDENCE FOR MIDDLE, MIDDLE BIRD TO ACTUALLY GO OUT THERE AND, AND MEASURED.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, AS YOU CONTINUE LOOKING INTO YOUR MM-HMM.
TO, UH, PUT THAT INTO THE EQUATION.
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'CAUSE I WOULD WANNA KNOW WHAT THE, UM, THE MEASUREMENT WOULD BE WITH, OF WHAT, HOW MANY DEPUTIES AT ONE TIME.I MEAN, ONE RIFLE, YOU KNOW, WHAT ABOUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT 10 DEPUTIES OUT THERE, SO YOU GOT 10 RIFLES GOING ON, YOU KNOW, TYPE OF THING.
SO, WELL, WE WOULDN'T DO 10 RIFLES AT ONCE.
AND THOSE COURSES ACTUALLY SMALLER NUMBER ROUND COURSES, SO THEY GO A LOT FASTER.
UH, BUT YES, WE CAN TEST THAT.
UH, BUT AGAIN, WE'D HAVE TO GO OUT THERE AND DO A LOT OF SHOOTING, UH, TO TEST, TO TEST THAT OUT AND SEE HOW IT GOES.
UH, AS FAR AS WHAT WE DID TEST, UH, IT IS WELL BELOW, UH, TO THE NEAREST RESIDENCE.
IT'S WELL BELOW THE DECIBEL LEVEL.
AND, UH, THE EMPLOYEE AT THE TRANSFER STATION, WHEN WE CHECKED WITH HIM ON THE WAY OUT, UH, HE DIDN'T EVEN HEAR THE GUNSHOTS GO OFF.
UH, AND, UH, THE TRUCK, UH, THAT CAME IN SHORTLY AFTER THAT WAS AT 84 DECIBELS AS IT DROVE BY
SO THE, THE, JUST, EVEN THE TRAFFIC IS MUCH LOUDER THAN WHAT WE'RE GETTING JUST AT THE PROPERTY, UH, BORDER, UH, ON THE RANGE SITE.
ANY QUESTIONS? UH, YEAH, I THINK THAT THESE ARE GREAT QUESTIONS ABOUT THE NOISE ORDINANCE.
WHAT IS THE, THE THRESHOLD THAT'S IN THE NOISE? SO IT, IT DEPENDS ON 62.
SO AGRICULTURAL IS 62, UH, AND, UH, THAT'S WHAT IS AROUND THAT AREA.
UH, THE, UH, THE LANDFILL SITE PUTS OUT MORE THAN 62, UH, ITSELF, UH, BUT IT IS EXEMPT, UH, BECAUSE OF ITS TYPE OF ACTIVITY.
OH, THE TRUCKS AND THE, WHAT THEY DO AT THE LANDFILL WOULD NOT BE BEHOLDEN TO THE 62.
YEAH, I, I JUST REINFORCE, UM, WHAT MRS. COOK HAS SAID.
UH, I THINK THOSE NUMBERS REPORTED IN THE PRESENTATION OR REVISION OF THE PRESENTATION WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA.
UM, THE QUESTION ABOUT, UH, THE NUMBER OF FIREARMS TRAINING DAYS, UH, I THINK LIKE MR. STEMER, I THOUGHT IT WAS PRETTY LOW.
UM, SO I, WE'RE, WE'RE SAYING THOSE ARE, UM, ESTIMATED, UH, NUMBER OF TRAINING DAYS.
UH, IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT WE MIGHT BE BEYOND THAT.
UH, BUT IF, IF WE JUST TOOK WHAT WE SHOOT ON THE DAYS THAT I'M JUST SAYING YEAH.
THAT'S, THAT'S ALL THE AMMUNITION WE HAVE TO SHOOT FOR HERE.
UH, WE WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE MORE ENOUGH BULLETS TO GO BEYOND.
I, I WOULD JUST SAY THIS IS GONNA BE A DIFFICULT PROCESS AND, AND WHEREVER IT DOES END UP, IT NEEDS TO BE UNDERSTOOD.
AND, UH, IF, IF, EXPAND ON THAT A LITTLE BIT.
SO IF YOU DO FOUR DAYS AND FOUR DAYS, THAT'S EIGHT DAYS RIGHT THERE.
THEN WE HAVE OUR SWAT TEAM THAT'LL COME OUT AND PRACTICE DIFFERENT MOVEMENTS ON THAT RANGE WHEN THEY'RE SHOOTING.
SO JUST SAY THEY DO THAT ONCE A MONTH, UM, SO THAT YOU HAVE 12 THERE, SO YOU'RE UP TO 20 DAYS THERE.
UM, ON REGULAR SHOOTING THAT WE WOULD HAVE SCHEDULED, UM, THE HALF HOUR, JUST LIKE TODAY WHEN WE TOOK TWO DEPUTIES OUT, THERE IS A 50 ROUND COURSE.
THEY MIGHT NEED TO DO THAT TWICE BECAUSE IF THEY PASS OR, OR FAIL ON THAT AND THAT THAT'S A HALF HOUR EACH TIME, WE CAN COUNT THOSE AS EACH DAY OF SHOOTING.
AND IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE, THE HIRING IS AND, AND HOW MANY TIMES WE HAVE TO HAVE TO DO THAT FOR NEW HIRES.
JUST SO ON, ON DAYS OF TRAINING DAYS, IT IS 20, 25 DAYS YEAH.
AND IS IT ALL DAY PROBABLY EIGHT, EIGHT OF THOSE DAYS? UM, MAYBE.
UH, AND ACTUALLY I DON'T YOU PUSH IT TO 10 MAYBE.
UM, SWAT TRAINING IS NOT ALL DAY.
THAT IS A, A FEW HOURS AND THEY'RE DOING OTHER THINGS ON THAT SHIELD WORK AND, AND OTHER THINGS.
UM, QUALIFYING NEW HIRES THAT HAS BEEN AN ISSUE.
IT IS NICE TO BE ABLE TO, ON A SPUR THE MOMENT, SAY, HEY, TAKE THEM OUT THERE, GO GET 'EM QUALIFIED AND BRING IT BACK SO WE CAN ISSUE THEM A FIREARM.
UM, COULD WE DO THAT 20 TIMES IN A YEAR? I IT IS A, IT IS A POSSIBILITY.
WE WOULDN'T BE OUT THERE SHOOTING GUNS.
UM, IT, IT WOULD BE LESS THAN 40 TIMES, I WOULD SAY.
MY ONLY, WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS WHAT, WHATEVER IT IS, IT, IT SHOULD BE ENOUGH SO THAT YOU DON'T BUMP INTO SOMETHING THEN HAVE A THEY LEGAL ISSUE WHERE SOMEBODY, WELL, I'LL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, WE AREN'T GETTING ENOUGH.
WELL, I UNDERSTAND WHEN WE HAVE DEPUTIES TOUCHING THEIR GUN ONE TIME HERE.
AND THEN WHEN YOU GET IN CRISIS, WHEN YOUR HEART IS PUMPING IN, RIGHT.
THINGS ARE HAPPENING AROUND YOU.
I I THINK THAT'S A HUGE LIABILITY YEAH.
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FOR US.BUT I'M, BUT JUST SAYING, I, I THINK, I'M NOT SURE I'M CONVEYING MY, WHAT I'M TRYING TO CONVEY, BUT I WOULD NOT WANT TO HAVE A PROCESS GO THROUGH THAT SAID IT'LL BE THIS MUCH, AND THEN YOU NEED MORE THAN THAT, AND THEN YOU END UP GETTING IN, YOU KNOW, A, A BIG BRUHAHA THAT, LIKE WHAT THEY SAID IT WAS GONNA BE 25 AND THEY DID 26, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE TO CALL.
I JUST DON'T THINK THAT IS ADEQUATE.
WE DO OTHER DRILLS, ESPECIALLY IN THE SPRING.
THE SPRING IS WHERE YOU DO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS.
BRING A VEHICLE OUT ON, ON THE RANGE SO YOU CAN SHOOT AROUND THE VEHICLE, IN THE VEHICLE IN DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT THINGS.
BUT, UM, WALLS UP, THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT WE ARE LIMITED TO RIGHT HERE IS DOING ROOM CLEARING.
YOU KNOW, SHOOT, DON'T SHOOT IF YOU HAVE A PICTURE OF THE BAD GUY THERE, AND WE SHOULD SHOOT THAT.
BUT IF YOU HAVE GRANDMA WITH A CELL PHONE IN HER HAND AND WE HAVE OFFICERS SHOOTING GRANDMA, THAT'S A REALLY BIG ISSUE.
SO IT'S BUILDING THOSE WELL, HOWEVER, HOWEVER, IT ENDS UP WHERE, WHEREVER AND HOWEVER, I JUST THINK WE SHOULD, YOU MAKE SURE DON'T PUT PIGEON HOLE A SECOND TO LOW A CAP ON THERE TO WHERE YOU CAN'T MEET YOUR TRAINING NEEDS.
YOU CAN ABSOLUTELY PUT 50 ON THERE.
BUT I, IT IS A GOOD INTENTION TO CONVEY THAT THIS ISN'T GONNA BE LIKE, YOU KNOW, LIKE EVERY, EVERY WEEK, YOU KNOW, THOUSANDS OF ROUNDS GOING OFF.
I DIDN'T EVEN, I DIDN'T HAVE ANY IDEA THAT WOULD BE SUCH A LOW NUMBER.
AND A LOT, AGAIN, A LOT OF THAT'S DUE TO THE AMOUNT OF AMMUNITION WE CAN ACTUALLY AFFORD WITHIN THE BUDGET.
ANYBODY WHO LIVES WE'RE, WE'RE EVEN LIMITED BY BUDGET.
ANYBODY WHO LIVES IN AN AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT IN THIS COUNTY CAN HAVE NEIGHBORS THAT SHOOT A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN THAT.
SO, BUT WE WANNA BE COGNIZANT NEIGHBORS.
THAT THE LAST THING I'M VERY GLAD TO HEAR THAT'S GOING ON.
BUT THIS, BUT IT HAVE TO GO SOMEWHERE.
THERE HAS TO BE SOME PLACE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO TRAIN IN.
JUST TO ADD TO WHAT YOUR COMMENT, THIS IS ONLY GONNA BE EXCLUSIVE ONLY FOR WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
WE WON'T BE FARMING THIS OUT TO ANY LOCAL, UM, SHERIFF OFFICES OR LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES.
SO, UH, TO THAT, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THERE ARE TIMES WE'LL NEED TO CROSS TRAIN WITH OTHER AGENCIES.
SO LET'S SAY OUR SWAT TEAM IS GONNA TRAIN WITH ANOTHER SWAT TEAM.
SO THESE GUYS JOIN UP, WE HAVE AN ACTIVE SHOOTER IN FREDERICK COUNTY.
WE WANNA BE ABLE TO TRAIN WITH THE FREDERICK COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
SOMETIMES WE DO THAT, MAYBE AT THEIR RANGE, SOMETIMES WE DO IT ON OUR RANGE.
WE MAY HAVE SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT BETTER FOR THAT TRAINING PURPOSE.
SAME WITH OUR CAN NINES AND OTHERS.
INTERAGENCY TRAINING IS IMPORTANT.
WHAT I THINK YOU'RE ASKING IS, ARE WE GOING TO, HEY, PAGE COUNTY COME DOWN AND DO YOUR ANNUAL QUALIFICATION? MM-HMM.
THAT IS NOT, UH, THAT IS NOT IN OUR PLAN.
THAT IS NOT WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING.
UH, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING TO EVERYONE ELSE.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE LANDING THESE OTHER JURISDICTIONS AND WE'RE TAKING ALL 74 OF OUR OFFICERS INTO THE TOWN OF LERAY OR INTO THE TOWN FRONT RULE.
THAT'S THE LIMITATIONS WITH FRONT ROYAL.
FRONT ROYAL DOES NOT ALLOW ANY OTHER AGENCY YEAH.
I, YOU KNOW, THAT'S FRONT ROYAL.
I'M TALKING TO WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
SO YOU SAY IT'S NOT IN THE PLAN, WILL IT EVER BE IN THE PLAN? NOT, NOT AS FAR AS I'M STANDING HERE AND I'M PART OF THIS.
'CAUSE I CAN SEE ANOTHER YEAR COMING IN, OH, WE CAN HAVE MORE MONEY.
WE CAN, OH NO, THIS OUT CAN INCREASE OUR REVENUE.
IF THE THOUGHT IS FOR REVENUE, I, I'M SORRY, MS. GO AS FAR AS THAT'S OKAY.
WE, THAT IS NOT IN THE PLAN WHATSOEVER TO ANY, TRYING TO TRY TO GENERATE ANY KIND OF REVENUE OR DO ANYTHING WITH IT IN THAT WAY.
THAT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT, UH, A GOAL.
DALEY WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT AS WELL? I THINK WE, I THINK WE NEVER KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO BE IN THE CARDS 10 YEARS FROM NOW, MA'AM.
BUT I THINK THE BOARD HAS THE OPTION OF IF THEY DECIDE TO APPROVE THIS, TO APPROVE IT WITH THE DESIGNATION THAT IT IS THE WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
AND IF 10 YEARS FROM NOW SOMEBODY, THERE'S A REASON THAT THE COUNTY WANTS TO LET SOMEBODY ELSE USE IT, THEY COULD DISCUSS IT AT THAT BOARD.
WHAT WE ARE OPEN TO LIMITATIONS ON TRAINING DAYS.
I WAS GONNA SAY, THIS IS GONNA GO THROUGH A CUP PROCESS.
SO IT'S LIKE ANY OTHER CUP, YOU PUT CONDITIONS ON IT, YOU BREAK THE CONDITIONS, YOU PULL THE PERMIT.
UM, SO WE JUST, IF IT IS CONSIDERED, WE NEED TO BE VERY METHODICAL, WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED ALL THEIR CONCERNS, ADDRESSED ALL THEIR CONCERNS, AND MAKE THIS, IF APPROVED THE BEST IT CAN BE TO BLEND IN WITH THE COMMUNITY AND NOT BE A NUISANCE TO THE COMMUNITY.
ONE QUESTION I HAVE, UM, IS THE CONTROL OVER, UM,
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I DECIDE I WANNA GO OUT AND SHOOT TODAY AND I JUST GO OUT.NO, THAT IS A THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION.
UH, WE HAVE EIGHT FARMS INSTRUCTORS.
YOU CANNOT USE THE RANGE WITHOUT A RANGE MASTER SHOWING UP.
AND SO A FIREARMS INSTRUCTOR MUST BE GOOD.
SO IT WOULD'VE TO BE APPROVED.
AND, UH, AND SO THESE ACTIVITIES ARE NORMALLY, LIKE IF YOU HAD TO HAVE, SO NO.
FOR PERSONAL USE BY THE DEPUTY? NO, THAT IS, IT'S NOT FOR PERSONAL USE BY DEPUTIES.
THIS IS FOR OFFICIAL BUSINESS ONLY.
AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE DEQ REQUIREMENTS, OFFICIAL BUSINESS ONLY.
NOW, IF HE NEEDS REMEDIAL TRAINING, WE HAVE AN OFFICER THAT IS, UH, YOU KNOW, FLOATING ABOVE THE MINIMUM STANDARD OF TRAINING, AND WE WANNA BRING HIM UP A LITTLE BIT, THEN WE MAY BRING HIM OUT AND SAY, HEY, YOU NEED SOME REMEDIAL TRAINING AND WE NEED TO DO A LITTLE MORE WORK WITH YOU.
BUT, BUT NO DEPUTY COULD JUST SAY, I'M OFF DUTY ON SATURDAY AND I WANT TO GO PRACTICE.
IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE PLACED IN POLICY THAT, UH, YOU CAN'T EVEN GO THERE WITHOUT A FARM'S INSTRUCTOR.
AND SO WE ONLY HAVE EIGHT INSTRUCTORS AND THE AGENCY, I'M ONE OF THE INSTRUCTORS.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE FARMER'S INSTRUCTOR, AND THAT'S, THAT'S JUST, THAT'S EVEN REQUIRED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE SERVICES AND LIABILITY RANGE.
FAIL TO SUPERVISE, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE GOING TO, NO, A DEPUTY CANNOT JUST GO UP AND SHOOT.
AND SO THEN IT WOULD GO WITHOUT SAYING THAT UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES WOULD THEY EVER BE ABLE TO BRING A GUEST OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? NO.
SO THERE, AND WE'D PLAN TO LOCK, UH, LOCK THE GATE, GIVE ACCESS TO LANDFILL PERSONNEL FOR THE PURPOSES OF PROBING AND CHECKING, UH, WHATEVER THEY NEED TO.
SO THEY WILL ALWAYS HAVE ACCESS WHEN THEY NEED IT.
AND I THINK IT'S MONTHLY AT LEAST, THAT THEY CHECK THINGS.
UH, AND SO WE'VE AGREED THAT WITH DEQ ALSO.
SO THEY WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO IT, AND THEN THE FARM INSTRUCTORS WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO IT.
ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE, I KNOW YOU SAID, UM, NO WEEKENDS, UM, WHICH I THINK WILL HELP WITH, UM, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE STILL WORKING.
PEOPLE RETIRED, PROBABLY THAT'S A WEEKEND.
EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK IS A WEEKEND.
UM, IF, AND I KNOW THIS IS, I LIKE TO HUNT MYSELF.
SO FOR HUNTING SEASON IS THERE.
AND HUNTING SEASON NOW STARTS IN NOVEMBER, GOES TO MARCH.
SO WHAT ASSURANCE CAN WE GIVE? 'CAUSE I KNOW WE'VE GOT SOME LOCAL HUNTERS BACK HERE THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA BE INTERFERING.
UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE STEALTHILY GOING IN, TRYING TO SNEAK UP ON A DEER, AND YOU GUYS ARE HAVING A GUN RANGE DAY DOESN'T WORK VERY WELL TO OUR HUNTING.
HOW CAN WE REASSURE THEM THAT WE'LL RESPECT AS MUCH AS YOU CAN THAT TIME? YEAH.
SO OUR A**L QUALIFICATIONS ARE OCTOBER AND WE DO ONE, UH, LATE SPRING.
UH, WE CAN PROBABLY WORK THOSE OUT OUTSIDE OF HUNTING SEASON.
AS FAR AS THE A**L QUALIFICATIONS, WHICH IS THE MOST IMPACTFUL, IS THE ANNUAL QUALIFICATIONS.
UH, OTHER THAN THAT, UH, THERE WAS A SUGGESTION THAT WE NOTIFY RESIDENTS IN THE AREA.
IF THAT BECOMES PART OF THE PROCESS OR A CONDITION ON THE PROCESS, WE WOULD CERTAINLY, UH, GIVE, UH, NOTIFICATION.
AND MAYBE THAT WOULD HELP, UH, WITH THAT.
UM, THE, THE ONLY TIME IT, IT SEEMS A LITTLE LESS ADVANCED NOTICE WOULD BE LIKE NEW HIRES, AND THEN WITHIN A COUPLE WEEKS WE'RE TAKING 'EM TO A RANGE.
AND THAT MAY SEEM A LITTLE RUSHED, BUT AGAIN, IT'S A HALF HOUR ON THE RANGE, MAYBE AN HOUR AT THE MOST, UH, TO, TO GET THAT WORK DONE.
I, AND I THINK WITH REGARD TO NOTIFICATION, JUST AGAIN, I WAS ONLY THINKING OF IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT NEIGHBORS.
AND, AND, AND EVEN IF IT'S A ONE OFF, ONE GUY FOR 30 MINUTES, I THINK THAT MAY NOT HIT THE BAR FOR, BUT IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE SWAT TEAM OUT THERE AND, AND, YOU KNOW, WORLD WAR III GOING ON, THEN, UH, AND SOMEONE'S PLAYING A WEDDING RECEPTION OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE A DISASTER.
SO THAT'S THE KIND OF THING I'M THINKING OF.
OR IS THERE A WAY THAT IF I'M PLAYING IN A WEDDING, OUTDOOR WEDDING, I CAN NOTIFY YOU AND YOU CAN KIND WORK AROUND THAT 'CAUSE ABSOLUTELY.
IT'S JUST A CALL INTO, UH, DISPATCH TO LET THE ON-DUTY SERGEANT, OR EVEN DEPUTY J RO MYSELF KNOW ON THAT.
ALSO, I THINK IT'S FREE TO LET THE, UM, LANDFILL STAFF, AND EVEN IF THERE IS A SIGN ON THE ROAD THAT YOU LOOK DOWN, IT SAYS LIVE FIRE, AND THEN YOU KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON.
SO YOU KEEP IT CLOSED WHEN NO ONE IS USING THE RANGE.
BUT IF THERE IS GONNA BE SHOOTING IN THE AREA, THE SIGN COMES DOWN AND YOU'LL SAY, LIVE FIRE.
UH, I THINK THAT COVERS THE THINGS THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
UM, ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DR.
DALEY, UH, MR. WENDLING, DO YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE PROCESS AS TO HOW SOMETHING LIKE THIS WOULD GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION? SURE.
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FOR PUBLIC'S INFORMATION.SO, SHERIFF KLEIN CAME TO US, UH, PRIOR TO LAST MONTH'S, WELL, THIS MONTH, PLAINTIFF COMMISSION MEETING REQUESTING IT TO BE PUT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THE JULY 10TH MEETING.
UH, WE WERE ABLE TO GET IT ON THERE.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, UH, MOVED TO FORWARD THIS, UH, FOR AUTHORIZATION ADVERTISEMENT.
SO IT HAS BEEN AUTHORIZED TO ADVERTISE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, ON JULY 10TH FOR THE PLAN COMMISSION MEETING.
THAT WILL BE AT 7:00 PM UM, WE WILL THEN HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING IN FRONT OF YOURSELVES AT THE BOARD IF THIS GETS MOVED FORWARD WITH, UH, THE RECOMMEND, ANY RECOMMENDATION.
AND THEN THAT WILL BE AT A DESIGNATED TIME.
BUT WE'VE ALSO, UH, SUBMITTED IN YOUR JULY 2ND PACKET, AN AUTHORIZATION TO ADVERTISE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS.
UM, I WILL MENTION THAT WE'VE PROVIDED YOU WITH PRETTY MUCH WHAT YOU'VE SEEN TONIGHT IN THE WAY OF MAPS AND SITE PLANS, UH, OR CONCEPT PLANS.
AND WE DON'T HAVE LIKE A, AN OFFICIAL FORMAL SITE PLAN, BUT I THINK IT'S A ALMOST A CLOSE ENOUGH, GOOD ENOUGH FOR RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND WE DO, UH, WE DID JUST DRAFT A STAFF REPORT FOR THIS APPLICATION.
UM, THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE AND STAFF HAS THAT WE'LL NEED TO TAKE UP WITH LEGAL ON CONDITIONS.
UM, AND THIS IS NOT REALLY THE APPROPRIATE TIME, BUT WE'LL ADDRESS THOSE, UM, PRIOR TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AND AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO WHEN WE MOVE THAT FORWARD TO YOU, EVERYTHING SHOULDN'T BE IN PLACE WITH THOSE.
SO, UH, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I'M GLAD TO FIELD ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
AND, UH, JASON PROPERTY OWNERS WILL BE NOTIFIED, UH, OF THOSE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
WE'LL POST, UH, ADS IN THE PAPER.
UM, ACTUALLY THEY GO IN, UH, NOW TUESDAYS, UH, THE TWO WEEKS PRIOR TO THE, UH, MEETINGS.
AND THEN WE'LL POST THE PROPERTY WITH A SIGN FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND THEY CAN REACH OUT TO OUR DEPARTMENT FOR ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
SO PART OF THE CHECKLIST OF THE ONGOING TO PLANNING COMMISSION THE PACKAGE.
WILL WE, UM, OFFICIALLY REACH OUT TO DEQ TO GET AN OFFICIAL STATEMENT? AND WILL WE ALSO REACH OUT TO THE EPA TO GET THEIR OFFICIAL STATEMENT? UH, WE CAN, THE CHALLENGE WITH REACHING OUT TO THOSE STATE AND A AND A FEDERAL AGENCY IS, UH, YOUR ROLLING THE DICE ON GETTING, UH, ON WHEN YOU'RE GONNA GET THEIR, THEIR COMMENTS BACK.
UH, AND BECAUSE THIS IS, UH, BEEN REQUESTED TO BE EXPEDITED, I MEAN, WE CERTAINLY CAN, I JUST CAN'T GUARANTEE IF WE'LL HAVE THOSE COMMENTS BACK.
AND IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE BEFORE YOU MAKE A DECISION, UH, IT COULD PROLONG THE PROCESS.
NOW THERE IS SOME SUFFICIENT INFORMATION, OR IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S SOME INFORMATION WE CAN GET FROM, UH, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND, UH, OFFICER ROY.
AND WE'LL DEFINITELY PROVIDE THAT IN YOUR PACKETS, UH, FROM THOSE, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM WHAT THEY'VE RECEIVED.
SO WE CAN DO THAT IF YOU WANT.
UH, AGAIN, BUT IT JUST LIKE, WE'VE HAD THIS SITUATION COME UP WITH DEQ BEFORE AND, AND VDOT WHERE JUST THEIR TIMING IS THEIR TIMING AND NOT THE COUNTY'S TIMING.
DALEY, SO JUST A QUESTION FOR MR. BARRY.
UH, DEQ CONTROLS OUR OPERATIONS, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
SO WE DON'T, UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING WITH EPA PER SE.
THEY DO OUT THERE AT THE AVTEC SITE, BUT NOT AT THE LANDFILL.
SO EVERYTHING WE WOULD NEED WOULD BE COMMENTS FROM D-E-Q-D-E-Q.
AND I WOULD GO AHEAD AND REACH OUT AS EARLY AS TOMORROW OKAY.
AND, AND YEAH, WE CAN DO THAT.
SO YOU SAID THAT THIS WAS BEING EXPEDITED? WELL, UH, SHERIFF KLEIN CAME TO ME THE DAY BEFORE THE
UM, UH, WE, WE HAD, THIS HAD BEEN IN THE WORKS AS FAR AS THE, THE MAPS AND THE PLANS AND EVERYTHING FOR A WHILE, BUT THE FORMAL APPLICATION FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WASN'T MADE UNTIL THE, THE DAY PRIOR.
SO WE, WE GO, WE WENT AHEAD AND DID THAT.
AND SO NOW IT'S ONE OF YOUR BASIC, YOUR THREE MONTH TIMELINE.
SO, UH, THIS JULY WILL BE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR PLAINTIFF COMMISSION, AND THEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IN AUGUST FOR THE BOARD IF IT MOVES FORWARD.
SO, AND WE IMMEDIATELY DO SEND OUT AGENCY COMMENTS, UH, FOR REQUESTS.
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DID NOT DO IT FOR D EQ, BUT WE'LL DO THAT TOMORROW THEN AT OKAY.THE REASON IS BECAUSE YOU MISSED YOUR SPRING AND YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE THAT IF WE DON'T GET IT DONE BY DECEMBER, WE HAD, UM, YES, WE HAD THAT ISSUE.
AND THEN WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A RANGE RIGHT NOW TO DO OUR FALL CALLS.
AND WE WOULD HAVE, EVERYBODY WOULD BE HAVING ISSUES AT THE END OF THE YEAR.
WE WOULDN'T HAVE DEPUTIES ON THE ROAD, BUT THAT IS THE ONLY REASON THAT WE KIND OF EXPEDITED IS SO, I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED BY THE PROCESS AS WELL, BECAUSE IT IS COUNTY OWNED, PRO, UM, PROPERTY.
DOES THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS GO FIRST? WHICH I, I THOUGHT WAS IT, AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED TO BE ON THIS, THIS DAY TO PRESENT, OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT HAS TO GO THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND THAT WAS UP IN THE AIR AS WELL AS TO WHAT, WHAT STEPS THAT I NEEDED TO DO FIRST.
AND I WAS LIKE, WELL, WE CAN DO THEM ALL TOGETHER.
I, I JUST DIDN'T KNOW THE PROCESS EITHER.
WELL, WE'RE AT THE FEW MINUTES AFTER SIX, AND WE'RE ON A TIGHT SCHEDULE FOR OUR CLOSED SESSION, SO I APPRECIATE THE, UM, PRESENTATION.
AGAIN, IF YOU ALL WANNA STAY WHEN WE COME BACK, YOU'LL BE MORE THAN WELCOME TO ASK QUESTIONS.
SHERIFF KLINE, UH, OFFICER ROY WILL STILL BE HERE.
[C. Closed Session - Section 2.2-3711(A)(l), (A)(7) and (A)(8)]
ADJOURN THIS MEETING.AND, UM, I THINK MR. HENDERSON, YOU PUT THE CLOSED SESSION.
IF YOU'LL READ US INTO CLOSED SESSION, THEN PLEASE.
UM, I MOVE THE BOARD, ENTER A CLOSED SESSION MEETING UNDER PROVISIONS OF SECTIONS 2.2 DASH 37 11, A SEVEN, AND A EIGHT FOR CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL PERTAINING TO ACTUAL OR PROBABLE LITIGATION AND THE PROVISION OF LEGAL ADVICE REGARDING THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY OF THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL AND COUNTY OF WARREN, VIRGINIA, THE EDA, THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, THE EDA VERSUS JENNIFER MCDONALD, ET AL, THE TOWN OF FRONT ROW VERSUS THE EDA ET ALL THE EDA VERSUS THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL.
OTHER POTENTIAL CLAIMS AND LITIGATION RELATING TO, UM, RELATING TO OTHER POSSIBILITIES, POSSIBLE LIABILITIES OF THE EDA, THE RECOVERY OF EDA FUNDS AND ASSETS, THE OUTSTANDING INEPTNESS OF THE EDA POTENTIAL BANK ACTIONS RELATED TO THE SAME, THE SUPPORT AGREEMENT, AND A FORBEARANCE AGREEMENT.
IS THERE A SECOND? IS THAT ALL? I'M SORRY.
YEAH, IT SAYS, FINALLY I MOVE THE BOARD TO ENTER A CLOSED SESSION MEETING IN THE PROVISIONS OF SECTION 2.2 37 11 A, ONE OF THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM INFORMATION ACT FOR THE DISCUSSION OR CONSIDERATION OF THE APPOINTMENT OF INDIVIDUALS TO THE EDA.
WE WILL ADJOURN FOR OUR CLOSED SESSION.
[D. Call to Order and Pledge of Allegiance of the United States of America ]
OKAY.GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE JUNE 25TH, 2024 BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING.
UM, MR. HENDERSON, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY FROM THE CLERGY HERE TONIGHT FOR PRAYER? UM, ACCORDING TO THE SCHEDULE, IT'S MARK ROBERSON.
I DON'T SEE HIM HERE, SO WE WILL JUST GO WITH A MOMENT OF SILENCE.
AND IF EVERYONE WOULD PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
ANY REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[E. Adoption of Agenda - Additions or Deletions ]
BUSINESS IS THE ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA.ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS? HEARING NONE.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AS PRESENTED? SO, MOVE.
[F. Public Comment Period (60 Minute Time Limit)]
PERIOD.THIS IS A 60 MINUTE TIME PERIOD WHERE EACH SPEAKER IS GIVEN THREE MINUTES TO COMMENT ON ANYTHING THAT IS NOT PART OF A PUBLIC
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HEARING.ALL COMMENTS WILL BE DIRECTED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND NOT TO THE AUDIENCE.
BE CONSIDERATE OF YOUR FELLOW SPEAKERS.
THERE SHOULD BE NO APPLAUSE, BOOING, OR OTHER AUDIBLE DISRUPTION TO THE PROCEEDINGS.
THROUGH A SHOW OF HANDS, THE CHAIRMAN MAY ASK FOR A SHOW OF SUPPORTS FOR COMMENTS AND, UM, MADE BY SPEAKERS, PLACARDS, POSTERS, AND OTHER MEANS OF VISUAL DISPLAY OF COMMENTS WILL NOT BE PERMITTED IN THE MEETING ROOM.
UM, THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE INFORMATION OR MATERIALS USED AS PART OF A FACTUAL PRESENTATION.
THE BOARD WILL NOT TOLERATE PERSONAL ATTACKS ON ANYONE BY ANY OF THE PARTICIPANTS IN THE PROCEEDINGS.
ANYONE WHO VIOLATES THE GUIDELINES OF THE PUBLIC HEARING MAY BE ASKED TO LEAVE BY THE CHAIRMAN.
WE DO HAVE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS, SO AT SEVEN 30 WE WILL STOP, DO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, AND THEN WHATEVER TIME'S LEFT, UM, WE WILL PICK BACK UP AND FINISH OFF THE HOUR WITH THAT.
SO, UM, AND WHEN YOU COME UP, IF YOU WILL GIVE YOUR NAME AND THE DISTRICT YOU LIVE IN, WE'D APPRECIATE THAT.
MR. HENDERSON, HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP? UH, FIRST UP IS DAVID BROMAN.
THANKS FOR HAVING ME SPEAK TONIGHT.
UM, I LIVE IN THE SHANGRILA COMMUNITY IN THE SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT.
UM, THERE ARE FIVE BASIC POINTS I WANTED TO BRING UP WITH REGARD TO THE PROPOSAL THAT THE, UH, SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT HAS PUT FORWARD FOR THE, UM, FIRING RANGE AND TRAINING GROUNDS.
UM, THE BASIC TOPICS ARE QUALITY OF LIFE IMPACTS ON THE SHANGRILA COMMUNITY AND SURROUNDING, UH, NEIGHBORS AS WELL.
UM, PROPERTY VALUES EFFECT ON PROPERTY VALUES, UM, LIMITATIONS ON USAGE OF A SITE, SHOULD IT BE APPROVED? NOISE ABATEMENT, SHOULD THE SITE BE APPROVED FOR USAGE? UM, AND THE PROSPECTS OF A PRIVATE OF SEEKING A PRIVATE PROPERTY LEASE ON AN IDEAL SITE.
SOME, UH, SOMEWHERE IN THE COUNTY.
ONE OF, ONE OF THE PRIME REASONS FOR LIVING WHERE I LIVE IS, IS THAT IT IS A QUIET PLACE TO LIVE.
I'M A SHOOTER, SO I MAKE MY OWN DISTURBANCE.
I CAN SPEAK ABOUT HOW THAT'S HANDLED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT'S HANDLED WELL.
UM, ON THE OTHER HAND, EVERYBODY IS THERE BECAUSE IT IS GENERALLY A QUIET PLACE TO LIVE.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS RIGHTFULLY, UH, OR I RETRACT THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S A SAFETY ISSUE FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
BUT CERTAINLY FOR NOISE, THIS WILL BE A WHOLE LEVEL OF IMPACT THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM WHAT THE LANDFILL PROVIDES AT THIS TIME.
UM, PROPERTY VALUES ARE SOMETHING I THINK WE JUST HAVE TO TAKE UP WITH THE BOARD AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, PERHAPS DOWN THE ROAD IN, IN THIS, UM, BUT CERTAINLY ADDRESSING, UM, HOW THAT MIGHT BE HANDLED, IF THERE ARE DIRECT IMPACTS ON THE VALUES OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, I KNOW THERE, THERE WAS DISCUSSION OF THE NUMBER OF DAYS THAT THE FACILITY WOULD BE USED AND WHERE, WHETHER IT WOULD BE SHARED IN ANY CAPACITY, EITHER AS A REVENUE GENERATOR OR SIMPLY PARTNERING WITH, UM, WITH, UM, OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT GROUPS, WHICH I THINK IS A GREAT IDEAL WHEREVER THIS HAPPENS.
BUT TO THE DEGREE, TO THE DEGREE THAT PARTNERING WITH OTHERS MIGHT ADD DAYS, I WOULD WANT THE COUNTY TO LOOK VERY CLOSELY AT THAT.
AND, AND I PERSONALLY WOULD WANT TO SEE IT RESTRICTED TO WHAT BENEFITS THE CITIZENS OF OREN COUNTY SPECIFICALLY AND NOT ADD NOT ADDING DAYS BY ADDING, UH, ATTENDEES AT THE RANGE.
I THINK, AGAIN, IF THIS IS APPROVED TO GO FORWARD, WE SHOULD LOOK AT HOW WE CAN ADDRESS THE BERMS AND OTHER, UH, LANDSCAPING THAT CAN HELP ABATE THE NOISE, UM, FOR ALL NEIGHBORS INVOLVED.
AND THEN THIS, UH, LAST IDEA, I'LL HAVE TO SPEAK VERY QUICKLY.
UM, I THINK IF WE, WE COULD PUT SOME GIS TIME FROM THE OFFICES WITHIN THE COUNTY, DO GET ALL THE IDEAL PARAMETERS FROM THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
WHAT ARE THE CRITERIA THAT WOULD MAKE FOR THE IDEAL SITE? PLUG THAT IN WITH A MINIMIZED IMPACT ON LANDOWNERS.
THROW, UH, GET THOSE AMORPHOUS, UH, POSITIONS WITHIN THE COUNTY.
TURN ON THE, THE LANDOWNER LAYER AND YOU'LL SEE YOUR MAILING LIST FOR AN RFP WHERE YOU MIGHT REQUEST A 20 YEAR LEASE AND AN OPTION, UH, FIRST RIGHTS TO BUY.
AND YOU MIGHT EVEN GET SOMEBODY WHO WOULD GIVE YOU THAT LEASE AT NO CHARGE.
I THINK THAT POTENTIAL IS HERE, SO THANK YOU.
I PRESENTLY LIVE IN THE, UH, NORTH RIVER DISTRICT.
I JUST BOUGHT PROPERTY, THE PROPERTY THAT BACKS UP TO THE PROPOSED GUN RANGE PLANNING ON BUILDING A HOUSE IN THE SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT.
I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN BROWNTOWN, VIRGINIA.
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IT'S KIND OF MY ROOTS TO GET BACK TO THAT AREA, THE COUNTY, NOT THAT THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH THE NORTH SIDE, BUT I JUST WANNA GET BACK CLOSER TO, TO MY ROOTS.UM, I, I'VE HAD THE, I'VE HAD THE LAND FOR A LITTLE OVER TWO MONTHS, SO THIS WAS ALL A SURPRISE WHEN, WHEN SOMEBODY TOLD ME THAT YOU GUYS WERE GONNA PUT IN A SHOOTING RANGE RIGHT HERE, THERE IS A, THERE'S A SPRING HOUSE THAT'S THAT'S RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER OF THEIR PROPERTY, RIGHT ON THE CORNER OF THEIR, THEIR SHOOTING AREA THAT I WAS GONNA RENOVATE DOWN BELOW THAT FROM THAT SPRING HOUSE.
I'M GONNA PUT IN A POND, PROBABLY HALF ACRE, THREE QUARTER OF AN ACRE POND, RIGHT? RIGHT.
THERE ALSO IS THAT CEMETERY THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, THE MORRISON BROWN CEMETERY.
THAT, UM, THAT, THAT I, I TOLD MRS. FULLER THAT I WOULD CLEAN UP.
I HAVEN'T OWNED IT LONG ENOUGH TO CLEAN IT UP AND MAKE IT PRESENTABLE, BUT, BUT I, I WROTE IN MY CONTRACT THAT I WOULD TAKE CARE OF THAT FOR THEM.
THE, I I DO HAVE CONCERNS BECAUSE BUILDING A HOUSE, I HAVE OTHER OPTIONS.
I HAVE, I HAVE A SON, I HAVE STEPCHILDREN.
THEY'RE GONNA WANT PROPERTY TOO.
SO WHEN YOU START BUILDING HOUSES ALL THE WAY AROUND THIS, THIS, UH, SHOOTING RANGE, THERE'S A POSSIBILITY I COULD BUILD FIVE LEGALLY HOUSES ON THAT PROPERTY AND, AND THE SHOOTING RANGE WOULD BE ACTUALLY SHOOTING AT US.
SO WHEN, WHEN YOU GUYS CONSIDER IT, YOU HAD, MS. COOKY HAD BROUGHT UP THE FACT THAT, THAT THE COUNTY AND THE TOWN SHARE THE PROPERTY OUT THERE.
I I HAVE THE EMAILS THAT WENT BACK AND FORTH WITH PREVIOUS SHERIFFS SAYING THAT, UH, THAT THAT LOOKED GREAT.
UM, THAT, THAT THE FACT THAT WE, THAT IT WAS ALWAYS WENT AWAY FROM THAT.
MY OTHER CONCERN IS, IS THAT THE METHANE GAS, THAT THAT COMES OUT, THAT THE PIPES ARE RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER OF THAT LINE.
HE, HE ACT, MR. UH, ROY SAID THERE WAS RIGHT THERE ON IT.
WHAT IF THERE'S A TREE THAT FALLS ON THAT? WHAT IF IT'S FOGGY ONE MORNING AND THAT METHANE GAS GASES ON THE GROUND? THE OTHER THING THAT I NOTICED IS THE GIS ISN'T DRAWN PARTICULARLY CORRECT.
I HIT IT ALL SURVEYED AND WE'RE ONLY ABOUT 400, 450 FEET FROM THE, FROM THEANO NATIONAL PARK.
HE HAD MENTIONED THAT THE TRAILS IS UP OVER THE TOP.
BUT THE, THE RANGERS ALSO DO WALK, WALK THE PROPERTY LINES.
AND AS WELL, ME AND ME AND OUR FAMILY DO WALK, WALK OUR PROPERTY.
SO THESE BULLETS, YES, THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE SUPPOSEDLY GOING TOWARD A BURN.
BUT I WAS ALSO TOLD THAT THESE ARE UNTRAINED DEPUTIES.
SOMETIMES WHEN YOU'RE SHOOTING, SHOOTING A GUN, IT DON'T ALWAYS GO WHERE YOU NEED IT TO GO.
AND IF YOU MISS IT BY 30% OR 20%, YOU END UP SHOOTING OUT.
UH, I'M DREW, I LIVE IN NORTH RIVER.
I WAS IN THE MILITARY, HAVE TRAINED WITH QUITE A FEW OF THESE PEOPLE THAT DO THESE OBSTACLE COURSES, SHOOTING RANGES.
I TRAINED WITH SPECIAL FORCES, THE COAST GUARD BOAT BOARDING TEAMS, SO I KNOW WHAT GOES ON.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
I KNOW HOW YOU'RE GONNA OPERATE.
UM, I KNOW IT WAS ORIGINALLY STATE OF 80,000 ROUNDS.
IT TAKES 8,000 ROUNDS OF PERFECT REPETITION TO CREATE MUSCLE MEMORY.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY DEPUTIES ARE DOING THAT.
THAT'S 8,000 ROUNDS TO KNOW THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA HIT WHAT YOU'RE AIMING FOR.
THE OTHER SIDE, UM, SAID THAT IF YOU LOOK AT PHASE ONE PHOTO, WHAT'S THE DISTANCE FROM THE BERM TO OUR PROPERTY? SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT A HUNDRED FOOT, NOTHING SAYS THAT I CAN'T WALK OUR PROPERTY LINE.
YOU'RE SHOOTING DIRECTLY AT US.
UM, THAT'S OUR, THAT'S OUR BIG FACTOR IS I HAVE A 5-YEAR-OLD SON.
I DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT SOMEBODY SHOOTING DIRECTLY AT OUR PROPERTY.
NOW, EVERYTH THING WAS, IS WATER RUNOFF.
OUR SAID RIGHT THERE, THAT LEAD IS NOT A CONCERN.
IF YOU LOOK AT ANYTHING THAT CONSERVATION WISE, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HUNT OVER WATER WITH LEAD.
SO THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT WATER RUNOFF AND LEAD'S NOT A RUNOFF.
SO A HUNDRED PERCENT NOT ALLOWED.
MY DAD WANTS TO BUILD A POND THAT'S DOWNSTREAM.
I GREW UP ON THE FARM WHERE THEIR PREVIOUS RANGE WAS AT TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
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IT WAS OFF OF 5 22, YOU HAD PROBABLY 200 FOOT OF ELEVATION CHANGE AT A CREEK BOTTOM.THEY WERE SHOOTING INTO A HILLSIDE.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON BECAUSE IT'S STRAIGHT UP ELEVATION HERE.
I WILL WALK THE PROPERTY LINES.
WE HAVE IT SURVEYED AND OUR PROPERTY ALMOST ENCOMPASSES THIS.
SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AS I WILL WALK THERE, THE NEIGHBOR WILL WALK THERE.
THERE'S NOTHING SAYS THAT SOMEBODY WALKING THE PARK ISN'T GONNA SAY, HEY, HERE'S A SHORTCUT.
WHO'S GONNA TAKE RESPONSIBILITY IF SOMEBODY'S SHOT? WHO'S GONNA TAKE RESPONSIBILITY TO SAY, HEY, YES, WE BUILT THIS WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET OF YOUR PROPERTY LINE.
SORRY, YOU CAN'T USE THAT PORTION.
ALSO, I WANT TO KNOW WHY THE 11 ACRES WAS BOUGHT.
THIS PIECE WAS BOUGHT FROM MS. FULLER TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS A BUFFER FOR THE DUMP.
IT'S NOT BEING USED AS A BUFFER ANYMORE.
IT'S BEING USED AS A GUN RANGE.
SO WAS IT BOUGHT ON UNDER FALSE PRETENSES OR WAS IT ACTUALLY BOUGHT FOR THE RIGHT THING? THANK YOU.
I'M IN THE SOUTH DISTRICT AND I'M ACTUALLY ACROSS THE ROAD FROM THE LANDFILL.
WELL, I GOT MARRIED AND I DID MOVE FOR A LITTLE WHILE, BUT MY FAMILY'S LIVED THERE.
ALL THE, ALL THEIR LIFE, THE LANDFILL WAS, YOU KNOW, WE TRIED TO FIGHT THAT.
WE GOT THAT WITHOUT ANY CONCESSION.
NO, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T CARE IF IT DEVALUES YOUR PROPERTY.
NOW MY MOTHER HAS TO HAVE HER WELL CHECKED EVERY MONTH FOR METHANE.
THEY CHECK HER BASEMENT FOR METHANE.
MY SON, THEY HAD TO DRILL HI HIM A NEW, WELL, HE LIVES ACROSS THE ROAD TOO.
THEY CHECK HIS WATER FOR METHANE EVERY MONTH.
THEY'VE CHECKED OUR, WELL, LUCKILY WE'RE IN THE BACKFIELD.
WE HAVEN'T HAD A PROBLEM NOW, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE WON'T HAVE A PROBLEM LATER.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S NO WAY THAT METHANE'S NOT GOING TO MOVE IN THE OTHER DIRECTION? I DON'T BELIEVE IT.
I MEAN, THEY MAY SAY, OH, WE'VE CHECKED IT.
BUT I ASSUME THAT ONCE YOU HAVE MAYBE THE CORRECT OFFICIALS, YOU KNOW, GIVE YOU THEIR INFORMATION VERSUS THE PRESENTATION THAT YOU RECEIVED WITHOUT ANY, THE REGULATIONS OF THAT.
LIKE WHAT WAS THAT? THE GEU OR WHATEVER IT WAS CALLED.
SO I JUST FEEL THAT THIS IS BEING PUSHED EXPEDITED, LET'S JUST SAY, WITHOUT ANY CONCERNS OF THE RESIDENTS IN THAT COUNTY AND IN THAT AREA.
I MEAN, I'VE LIVED THERE ALL MY LIFE AND IT'S, THERE'S A BARRIER NOW ON OUR PROPERTY BECAUSE OF THE METHANE WHERE NOBODY CAN BUILD ON.
AND NOW YOU WANNA ADD A SHOOTING RANGE TO THAT WITH THE NOISE.
I HAVE AN ANIMAL TERRIFIED OF GUNS.
PEOPLE AROUND US HAVE AGRICULTURAL ANIMALS.
THERE'S MANY TIMES WHEN GUNSHOTS GO OFF AND CATTLE RUN THROUGH FIELDS, THEY GET INJURED WITH BARB WIRE.
YOU HAVE AGRICULTURAL, DON'T YOU HAVE ANIMALS? CHERYL? SO UN UNFORTUNATELY NOT ANYMORE.
BUT YES, I, I HAD, AND IT DOES AFFECT AGRICULTURAL AND WE ARE AN AGRICULTURAL AREA.
SO I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU CONSIDER THAT WHEN YOU MAKE YOUR DECISIONS BECAUSE WE HAVE THE NOISE FROM THE LANDFILL.
I'VE ALMOST BEEN RAN OFF THE ROAD A MILLION TIMES WITH THE DUMP TRUCKS.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, I ASKED FOR YOU TO LOOK AT THAT, YOU KNOW, HOW IT'S ALREADY IMPACTED US WITH HAVING THE LANDFILL AND NOW THE TRANSFER STATION AND TO ADD A GUN RANGE IS, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE MUCH FOR US RESIDENTS IN THIS DISTRICT TO HAVE TO PUT UP WITH.
UM, I GOT, I FARM IN, IN THAT AREA.
I GOT, UH, 350 ACRES AND I HAVE CATTLE AND UH, WE HAVE ALL THE NOISE TO DEAL WITH OF THE LANDFILL, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THERE BEATING AND THE BANGING.
AND WE HAVE ALSO HAVE THE TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD.
AND THAT'S A VERY NARROW ROAD, UH, TRUCKS AND, AND WE DRIVE A LOT OF TRACTORS, YOU KNOW, ON THE ROAD BACK AND FORTH.
SO ARE Y'ALL GOING TO DO SOMETHING TO THE ROAD IF IT IS APPROVED OR
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IS THAT IN THE WORKS OR, YOU KNOW, UH, AND I'M ALWAYS PICKING UP TRASH, UH, ALONG ALONG MY ROAD FRONTAGE ALL THE TIME.AND, AND AS, UH, MS. FLETCHER SAID IS, IS, YOU KNOW, I HAVE CATTLE.
IS THIS NOISE GONNA AFFECT THE CATTLE, YOU KNOW, AND SCARE 'EM? SO, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAY, I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT DOES.
IT'S A DANGEROUS JOB AND THEY NEED TRAINING, BUT I THINK Y'ALL PROBABLY HAVE BETTER AREAS TO DO IT IN THAN WHERE YOU'RE PROPOSING TO DO IT.
AND, UH, SO THAT'S ABOUT ALL I GOT TO SAY.
ANYONE ELSE? MR. HENDERSON? UH, NEXT STEP IS STEPHANIE SFA.
IT'S STEPHANIE SCHAFER AND I LIVE IN THE RIVERVIEW AREA OF SHENANDOAH FARMS. I APPRECIATE BEING HERE TO HEAR THESE IMPORTANT COMMENTS ABOUT THESE REALLY IMPORTANT ISSUES THAT YOU'RE KIND OF DEALING WITH.
BUT I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT AN INITIATIVE WITH PROPERTY OWNERS OF SHENANDOAH FARMS AND THE SHENANDOAH RIVER KEEPERS.
WE'RE DOING AN EVENT ON JUNE 30TH, AND WE WANT IT TO BE A COMMUNITY BUILDING EVENT.
SO IT'S CALLED A COMMUNITY DAY.
WE'RE HAVING A YARD SALE, WE'RE HAVING MUSIC, WE'RE HAVING EDUCATION, WE'RE HAVING A PRESENTATION BY THE SHENANDOAH RIVER KEEPERS AT ONE 30.
THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS THERE TO DO A CANINE DEMO AND A ROLLOVER PRESENTATION AND FINGERPRINTING FOR KIDS.
UM, THE FORESTRY DEPARTMENT IS THERE FOR FIREWISE.
UM, ALSO, UH, THE STATION FIRE STATION SIX IS GONNA BE THERE.
AND AMONG OTHERS ORGANIZATIONS, UH, I KNOW THAT THE, UH, WARREN COUNTY LITTER COUNCIL HAS BEEN INTERESTED.
SO AS A ROTARY CLUB AND THE TREE STEWARD.
SO IT'S A COMMUNITY EVENT FOR EDUCATION.
WE HOPE OTHER COMMUNITIES WILL DO THIS.
UM, WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE WORKING WITH THE SHENANDOAH RIVER KEEPERS, PARTNERING ON A LOT OF DIFFERENT EVENTS.
WE JUST FEEL LIKE OUR, WE'RE SO LUCKY TO LIVE IN SUCH A BEAUTIFUL ENVIRONMENT AND WE HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, KEEPERS OF THAT FOR THE FUTURE.
THE SHENANDOAH RIVER IS A DRINKING WATER FOR ALL OF NORTHERN VIRGINIA, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE THAT IS, A LOT OF PEOPLE, BUT ALSO ANYTHING WE PUT IN THE SOIL, IT, IT GOES INTO THE WATER.
AND, UM, WE'RE GONNA DO A RIVER CLEANUP ALSO ON AUGUST 24TH.
SO WE HAVE SOME FLYERS THAT WE'RE PUTTING, I THINK IT'S OUT IN THERE AND THEY'LL BE OUT AND AROUND THE COMMUNITY.
BUT WE HOPE ALL THE, YOU WILL CONSIDER COMING AT LEAST BEING AWARE OF, YOU KNOW, THESE COMMUNITY BUILDING EVENTS.
WE ARE WORKING REALLY HARD ON IT AND DOING THINGS, YOU KNOW, ALSO TRYING TO FIND OUT THE NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY.
SO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR WORK.
WHERE, WHERE EXACTLY IS THIS GONNA BE DOWN AT YOUR COMMUNITY BUILDING? YEAH, ACTUALLY IT'S GONNA BE, WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL PARK AT THE AMPHITHEATER NEAR JIM'S STORE.
AND IT'S TO THE RIGHT, IT'S ON SHENANDOAH LANE.
IT'S VILLE AND IT'S, UH, KIND OF HALFWAY BETWEEN 50 AND AND 66 ON VILLE ROAD.
UM, AND THAT'S WHERE OUR OFFICE IS.
THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS THERE.
THE FIRE STATION SIX IS RIGHT THERE.
SO IT'S JUST, AND THE AMPHITHEATER IN THE PARK AREA.
SO WE'LL HAVE SOME MUSIC SET UP AS WELL.
AND WE HOPE IT'LL BE A FUN DAY AND EDUCATIONAL AS WELL.
WE'D LOVE TO HAVE PEOPLE COME.
AND, AND THAT'S, UH, THE 30TH SUNDAY.
THE 30TH IS SUNDAY FROM 10 TO FOUR.
ANYONE ELSE? MR. HENDERSON? UH, LESLIE MATTHEWS.
I LIVE IN BENTONVILLE AND I'M GONNA TAKE US BACK TO THE SHOOTING RANGE ISSUE PROPOSAL.
UM, I AM ALL FOR SHOOTING GUNS.
ANYBODY THAT KNOWS ME KNOWS THAT, AND I AM ALL FOR OUR DEPUTIES TO BE TRAINED PROPERLY AND EFFECTIVELY.
UM, BUT THIS, I'VE READ THROUGH EVERYTHING, UM, THAT WAS ONLINE AND THEY'RE ONLY ESTIMATING ABOUT A $20,000 ANNUAL SAVINGS.
UM, AND THEN STATING THE REASON FOR THIS IS FOR THE INCONVENIENCE OF TRAVEL AND SCHEDULING IN OTHER COUNTIES, UM, AND THE USE OF HAVING TO USE WHERE THE FRONT ROW POLICE RANGE AREA IS.
UM, BUT, AND THEN THEY MENTIONED THE SMALL AMOUNT OF DAYS ONLY BEING LIKE 20 TO 25 A YEAR.
WELL, TO ME, THAT DOESN'T SEEM QUITE JUSTIFIABLE, UM, TO HAVE THIS OUT THERE IN BENTONVILLE NEAR, UM, ALL THIS AGRICULTURE LAND AND NEIGHBORS.
AND I ACTUALLY LIVE LESS THAN TWO MILES FROM THAT.
SO I'M NOT RIGHT ON TOP OF IT, BUT I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE.
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SAY IS TOO, THAT THE INCONVENIENCE OF TRAVELING LIKE ONE HOUR TO GET SOMEWHERE, WE'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR YEARS.AND I WANT TO REMIND YOU GUYS THAT MANY OF OUR CITIZENS GET UP EVERY MORNING AND DRIVE AN HOUR TO THEIR JOBS AND AN HOUR BACK.
YEAH, THAT'S INCONVENIENCE, BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO.
AND, UM, OUR MILITARY ALSO, THEY DEAL WITH SCHEDULING DISCREPANCIES.
I HAVE A SON THAT SERVES IN THE MILITARY AND WHEN I THINK HE'S GETTING READY TO GO INTO THIS TRAINING, IT'S FLIPPED AROUND AND HE IS NOT GOING AT THAT TIME.
SO, I MEAN, THEY CAN'T JUST SAY TO THEIR LEADERS, WE WANT THIS AND WE NEED THIS NOW.
UM, BECAUSE IT'S PROVIDING A, AN INCONVENIENCE TO US.
THEY HAVE TO FIGURE WAYS TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.
SO ANYWAY, THIS PROPOSED SITE, I WANNA REMIND THIS BOARD AND I THINK ONLY YOU, MADAM CHAIR, WE'RE THE ONLY ONE ON THE BOARD AT THIS TIME.
WHEN THIS COUNTY PURCHASED THIS BUFFER, UM, IT WAS ONLY LIKE TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO AND IT COST US $242,000.
SO WHEN I HEAR SOMEBODY SAY THAT IT'S NOT COSTING US ANYTHING, I'M LIKE, HEY, IT'S ALREADY COST THE COUNTY $242,000.
SO, UM, I WAS ALSO TOLD BACK THEN, AND IT WAS, I, IT WAS EITHER 20 OR 21, I THINK IT WAS IN 21, THAT THE REASON FOR THE PURCHASE OF THIS 40 ACRE BUFFER WAS BECAUSE OF THE CONTAMINATION ISSUE, THE WORRY OF THIS METHANE AND THE SOIL.
SO IT, IT JUST MAKES ME WONDER IF WE PAID THAT BACK THEN TO PROTECT THIS LAND, THEN WHY ARE WE LOOKING TO PUT SOMETHING ELSE ON IT? BECAUSE IN THE LONG RUN IT'S GONNA COST US MORE.
SO ALWAYS REMEMBER, NOTHING'S FREE.
THE UPKEEP IS GONNA KEEP COST IN THE COUNTY.
THAT'S ALL WE HAVE ABOUT FIVE MINUTES.
WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? SECOND CALL.
ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK LAST CALL? SURE.
I SEE SOME OF YOU ON THE EDGE THERE,
[G. Reports - Board Members, County Administrator, County Attorney ]
UM, BOARD REPORTS.WHY DON'T WE TRY TO DO A FEW OF THOSE IN THE TIME WE HAVE.
UM, MR. STAN MEYER, THANK YOU.
UM, SINCE OUR LAST MEETING, I'VE, UH, ATTENDED A NUMBER OF FIRE AND RESCUE RELATED MEETINGS ON, ON DIFFERENT TOPICS.
UM, TRYING TO GET SOME LONG-TERM PLANNING GOING.
UM, AND I ATTENDED THE PROPERTY OWNERS OF SHENANDOAH FARMS, UH, MEETING AND, UM, ACTUALLY HEARD ABOUT THE COMMUNITY DAY AT THAT MEETING AND SAT IN ON SOME OF THE PLANNING FOR IT.
AND I'LL JUST SAY IT IS GOING TO BE A GREAT EVENT.
UM, AND IT'S OPEN AS THEY SAID TO ANYBODY.
UH, SO, UM, I'M HOPING TO BE THERE AND, UH, THAT'S ALL.
UH, MADAM CHAIR, UH, I HAVE NOTHING SIGNIFICANT TO REPORT.
UH, I DID VOTE LAST TUESDAY AND I, I SAW THE MAYOR WHEN, UH, WHEN I VOTED OVER THERE.
SO, UH, THAT'S, UH, THAT'S THE, THE, MY REPORT FOR THIS, THIS TIME PERIOD.
I HAVE NOTHING TO REPORT TODAY, MRS. COOK.
THE ONLY THING I WANNA REPORT ON IS THAT, UH, THE WARREN COUNTY FINANCE AUDIT COMMITTEE MET, AND THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE ARE WORKING ON, I JUST WANTED TO SHARE WITH THE BOARD AND THE PUBLIC.
SO, UM, AT OUR LAST MEETING, OUR COMMITTEE VOTED ON THE FINAL DRAFT OF THE VOLUNTEER FIRE AND RESCUE FISCAL POLICY.
SO OUR NEXT STEP STEP IS TO PRESENT THE POLICY WITH THE FIRE AND RESCUE CHIEF AND OTHER VOLUNTEER LEADERSHIP TO HAVE THEM TAKE A LOOK AT THE POLICY AND, AND, YOU KNOW, GIVE US THEIR INPUT AS WHAT I WOULD CALL A PEER REVIEW.
THEN AFTER THAT, THEN THE, THE PROPOSED POLICY WILL GO TO OTHER ATTORNEYS AND THEN IT'LL BE PRESENTED TO THE BOARD DURING A WORKING SESSION AND, UM, AS A RECOMMENDATION.
SO, UM, IT'S, IT'S CREEPING UP AND SO IT SHOULD BE COMING HOPEFULLY SOONER THAN LATER.
UM, ALSO AS REQUESTED BY THE CHAIR, I, UM, I THINK IT WAS THE LAST MEETING THAT YOU HAD, YOU ASKED THE COMMITTEE TO REVIEW THE POLICY OF THE P CARDS.
SO WE ARE STARTING TO LOOK AT THAT.
UM, UH, WE, UH, I THINK, UH, MS. SCOTT SENT US THE POLICY AND WE'RE GONNA BE REVIEWING IT.
IF YOU HAVE ANY, UM, ANY PARTICULAR THINGS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE US TO FOCUS ON, IF YOU CAN JUST SEND 'EM TO MS. SCOTT AND SHE'LL GET IT TO THE COMMITTEE SO WE CAN, YOU KNOW, UH, USE THAT AS A RADAR OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED IF, IF NEEDED.
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UM, ALSO THE NEXT ON OUR AGENDA IS, UH, WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT THE COUNTY'S DEBT POLICY, YOU KNOW, SO THERE, OUR COMMITTEE IS LOOKING AT THAT.AND, UM, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA START FOCUSING ON A SANITARY DISTRICT FISCAL POLICY, TRYING TO SEE HOW WE COULD STANDARDIZE HOW, UM, SANITARY DISTRICTS ARE, UM, LOOKED AT AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF INTERNAL CONTROLS THAT WE CAN PUT IN PLACE THAT WILL HELP OUR, UM, FINANCIAL, UM, UH, DEPARTMENTS AND TREASURERS AND ALL THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO TOUCH IT.
AND THEN LASTLY, I WANNA THANK OUR CITIZENS APPOINTMENTS, UM, THAT WE HAD FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS WAS DR. JAMES BAGA, DR. KATHLEEN JOHNSON AND LESLIE MATTHEWS.
I WANNA THANK THEM FOR RENEWING THEIR SERVICE WITH OUR COMMITTEE.
THEY BRING A NEW PERSPECTIVE INTO HOW THE COUNTY HAS BEEN DOING THINGS FOR YEARS AND, AND GIVEN US SOME NEW IDEAS.
AND SINCE MS. MATTHEWS HERE APPRECIATE YOU BEING ON THAT BOARD.
BRITA AND, UH, DR. JOHNSON AS WELL, BUT THEY'RE NOT HERE.
SO DO APPRECIATE YOUR TIME ON THAT.
UM, FOR MY REPORT, UM, DIDN'T DO A, A WHOLE LOT OF, WELL, DID A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS, BUT SIGNIFICANTLY, I WENT DOWN TO THE JUNETEENTH, UM, UM, EVENT ON MAIN STREET AND I ATTENDED THE 25TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE CDO RIVER STATE PARK.
IT'S BEEN 25 YEARS SINCE, UM, THEY OPENED THE GATES TO THAT.
AND, UM, JUST GOES TO SHOW HOW TIME FLIES, UM, HAVE MET WITH, UH, FIRE AND RESCUE WITH, UH, MR. STAN MEYER.
AND, UM, I, I'VE, I GOT A CHALLENGE AND, AND A, AN EXPECTATION THAT AS PART OF, UM, IF OUR BUDGET GETS APPROVED TONIGHT, THAT WE TRY OUR BEST TO PUT EMS, UH, AT LEAST FOR A FEW DAYS A WEEK IN BROWNTOWN.
RIGHT NOW, THE LOOP IS OUT OF CELL TELEPHONE, LANDLINE SERVICE.
THERE'S NO CELL SERVICE THERE.
THEY'VE BEEN OUT OF THAT FOR SEVERAL DAYS.
UM, I, I, I JUST FEEL I HAVE TO ADVOCATE FOR THAT AND I HOPE THE BOARD WILL HELP SUPPORT THAT AS WELL.
AND THAT OUR FIRE AND RESCUE AS WELL, YOU GUYS DO A WONDERFUL JOB.
AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN, WE CAN WORK THAT OUT.
I KNOW THE PEOPLE OF THAT COMMUNITY WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT.
MR. DAN LENTZ HAS ADVISED ME THAT AFTER ALMOST 38 YEARS AS DIRECTOR OF RECREATION, HE WILL BE RETIRING AUGUST 31ST.
AND THAT'S MY REPORT, MR. HAM.
ALRIGHT, THAT PUTS US VERY CLOSE.
[K. Public Hearing - Increased Transfer Station Tipping Fee - Mike Berry, Public Works Director ]
THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING IS INCREASED TRANSFER STATION TIPPING FEES.UM, MR. BARRY, GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIRMAN BOARD.
UM, I DO HAVE, UH, A PRESENTATION IF YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO GO OVER IT, UM, WITH YOU TO REVIEW, UM, THE FEES.
IT'S VERY BRIEF IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO, IT'S, IT'S YOUR CALL.
BUT, UM, BEFORE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, I, UM, ONE THING THAT DR.
DALEY AND I HAVE DONE SINCE HE STARTED, I GUESS ALMOST FOUR YEARS NOW, IS DISCUSSED OUR FEES AND LOOKING AT OUR FEE STRUCTURE AS OUR, OUR TOTAL SOLID WASTE PROGRAM AND, AND TRYING TO DO THE BEST WE CAN, UM, TO CONTROL COST AND LOOK AT BETTER WAYS TO, UH, INCREASE REVENUES AND, AND OFFSET THOSE COSTS.
AND, UM, AND WE'VE CONTINUED TO LOOK AT THOSE THINGS AND, AND YOU'VE NOTICED IN THE, AND, AND THE NEW BOARD MEMBERS SEE THERE'S ONE REFUSE BUDGET.
SO, UM, I KNOW WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR A WHILE, BUT I'VE TRIED TO KIND OF PULL THAT TOGETHER JUST TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF PICTURE OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT CURRENTLY AND LOOKING AT CURRENT REVENUES BASED ON WHAT I HAVE.
UM, AND, AND THIS, THIS KIND OF SHOWS YOU LIKE, OUR CURRENT ADOPTED BUDGET IS, IS OVER $4 MILLION FOR OUR REFUGE PROGRAM.
SO WE HAVE A LOT OF, A LOT OF MONEY TIED UP IN, UM, OUR REFUGE PROGRAM.
AND, AND WHAT I'M ESTIMATING WE'RE, WE'RE PRETTY MUCH ON TRACK WITH LAST YEAR, SO I'M ESTIMATING ABOUT 37,000 TONS FOR THIS YEAR.
UM, AND, AND WE USE, WE TYPICALLY REPORT BOTH WAYS FOR THE STATE.
I HAVE TO DO, UH, ANNUAL ON ACTUAL, UH, FISCAL YEAR.
AND THEN OF COURSE, I, I DO IT FOR THE BUDGET ON OUR FISCAL, UH, YEAR.
BUT BASED ON OUR EXPENDITURES ONLY CURRENTLY WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT $109 AND 19 CENTS PER TON FOR OUR TOTAL SOLID WASTE PROGRAM.
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UM, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SCREEN, JUST LOOKING AT REVENUES RIGHT NOW AND JUST BASED ON CURRENT DATA, UM, I'M ANTICIPATING AT LEAST 1,000,300 $20,000 FOR THE YEAR IN REVENUES.UM, OUR TIPPING FEES AND RECYCLE REVENUE.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, AVERAGING THAT OUT, WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS YEAR, YOU KNOW, ASSUMING, YOU KNOW, NO, NO INCREASES AT ABOUT $73, 51 CENTS A TON, UM, FOR THE CURRENT YEAR WHERE WE ARE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S TOTAL PROGRAM.
AND I KNOW WE'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BROKE IT DOWN BECAUSE WE'VE LOOKED AT ALL THE YEARS IN REFUGE COLLECTION AND DISPOSAL, BUT I WANTED TO LOOK AT THAT IN, IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CURRENTLY AT 69 PER TON.
AND, AND RIGHT NOW OUR, OUR PER TON PRICE IS 34 75 TO BATTLE CREEK.
AND OUR AVERAGE PER TON HAUL COST PER LOAD IS 23 A TON.
AND THAT'S ASSUMING NO COUNTY LABOR, NO COUNTY MAINTENANCE, NO COUNTY WORKERS.
THAT'S WHAT OUR CONTRACTUAL COSTS ARE.
UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT A PROPOSED $79 PER TON INCREASE.
AND AS YOU READ IN THE LETTER, IT'S BEEN, UM, UH, WHAT WAS IT, 2013 SINCE OUR LAST INCREASE.
AND AT THAT TIME IT WAS $2 PER TON.
UM, WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF INFLATIONARY RATES GO UP.
UM, WE'VE DISCUSSED THE POTENTIAL FOR A MAJOR INCREASE, UM, IN, IN OUR, UH, FEES ON, ON THE, UH, CONTRACTOR SIDE.
WE DID HAVE OUR RFP AND AVERAGE ABOUT A DOLLAR TON ON THE HAUL COST.
BUT, UM, RIGHT NOW, AS YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE HAVE TO PAY $60 TON FOR A LOAD, THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT $84 PER TON FOR JUST THE CONTRACTUAL COSTS.
SO, UM, I THINK $79 PER TON IS A REASONABLE, UM, AREA TO BE WITHIN.
AND, AND AGAIN, WE'RE STILL NEGOTIATING, UM, THAT RATE.
UM, WHAT DOES THAT DO FOR THE COUNTY REVENUE PICTURE? UM, JUST AS A REMINDER, YOU KNOW, 37,000 TONS, YOU KNOW, NOT ALL THOSE TONS ARE COMMERCIAL CLIENTS, YOU KNOW, AT MINIMUM 50%, TYPICALLY IT'S ABOUT 52%, BUT, UM, I JUST USE 50% JUST FOR THE SAKE OF THE PRESENTATION.
AND, AND THAT SHOULD BE REAL CLOSE, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT GOING FROM 1,000,200 76,500 TO 1,000,400 61 5.
SO IT'S ABOUT $185,000 INCREASE IN REVENUE, UM, FOR NEXT YEAR, ASSUMING THAT 37,000 TONS.
NOW THE NOTE THAT I HAVE AT THE BOTTOM IS, UM, YOU KNOW, RESIDENCE DRIVING BAG WASTE.
OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU USE OUR TRASH SITES, YOU DON'T GET CHARGED A FEE OR IF YOU GO TO THE TRANSFER STATION, YOU DON'T GET CHARGED A FEE IF YOU JUST TAKE A COUCH DOWN THERE.
CONSTRUCTION DEBRIS, UM, I INCLUDED IN THAT REVENUE.
DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR? OKAY.
UM, ONE THING, AND I BROUGHT SOME DATA TO YOU BEFORE I DID FIND THE UPDATED VERSION, UM, FROM THE, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL RESEARCH AND EDUCATION FOUNDATION, AND IT RELEASED THOSE, UH, 2023 NUMBERS AND, AND IT'S, AND IT'S TOUGH TO SEE THAT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A SLIGHT, UH, REDUCTION IN MOST OF THE AREAS AND THE NATIONAL AVERAGE, EXCEPT FOR THE NORTHEAST, WHICH WE'RE PART OF, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE THAT, BUT THE $83 AND 44 CENTS AND $84 AND 31 CENTS IS THE AVERAGE IN THE NORTHEAST, WHICH WE ARE A PART OF.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE IN THE, THAT, THAT NATIONAL AVERAGE AS FAR AS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
PART TWO OF THAT IS, UM, THIS IS LOOKING AT, UM, I THINK, WHAT WAS IT, 342 LANDFILLS.
AND, UM, AS I MENTIONED, WE, WE ARE SENDING TO AN OUTSIDE LANDFILL.
WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE A LANDFILL.
SO AS A TRANSFER STATION, OUR COST IS MORE, UM, SURROUNDING THE AREA AND TIPPING FEES.
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, AND I LEFT THAT SLIDE FROM OUR PREVIOUS, PREVIOUS PRESENTATION.
UM, WE, WE LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE COUNTIES HAVE, UM, A, A COUNTY RATE OR A MUNICIPAL RATE, AND THAT'S ONE OF OUR OTHER CONSIDERATIONS TONIGHT.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THE LANDFILLS ARE LOWER THAN WE ARE.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE, WE HAVE TO TRUCK EVERYTHING AND WE HAVE TO HANDLE IT MULTIPLE TIMES.
SO THE OTHER, THE OTHER PROPOSAL IN THIS FIRST, UH, PUBLIC HEARING IS, IS FOR THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL AND I, AND I THINK WE DID HAVE, UM, IT SOUNDED LIKE WE HAD ONE PERSON THAT CAME IN AND SPOKE IN THE OFFICE ABOUT THAT, AND IT HAD SOME CONCERNS, WHICH I UNDERSTAND.
UM, BUT WE CURRENTLY DON'T CHARGE A, UH, MUNICIPAL RATE ON RESIDENTIAL WASTE.
UM, AND I THINK THE, THERE WAS DISCUSSION OVER A, A DISCOUNTED RATE, WHICH IS ABOUT HALF PRICE HERE.
UM, WE WOULD CHARGE THE TOWN $40 PER TON FOR THAT DISCOUNTED RATE.
AND JUST TO SHOW YOU, YOU KNOW, THEIR AVERAGE IS ABOUT 6,000 TONS A YEAR.
UM, AT 79 PER TON, IT WOULD BE 4 74 AND AT PROPOSED 40 PER TON, THEY WOULD BE LOOKING AT,
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UM, A $240,000 BILL.AND THAT WOULD BE OUR REVENUE FOR THE YEAR.
UM, ONE THING THAT, UM, HEARING SOME NEGATIVE COMMENTS WE SHOULD CONSIDER IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE COUNTY.
UM, WE USED TO HAVE SOME FOLKS THAT, AND WE STILL HAVE SOME LIKE SINGLE TRUCK HAULERS THAT PICK UP IN WARREN COUNTY.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF, UH, COMMERCIAL GUYS THAT HAVE STARTED, AND YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN SOME ROLL OFF CANS IN BENTONVILLE, BROWNTOWN.
NOW THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE PICKING UP IN THE COUNTY, UM, DO NOT GET A DISCOUNT.
THEY PAY THE, THE CURRENT 69 PER TON.
SO, UM, I JUST MAKE YOU AWARE OF THAT.
UM, SO THOSE FOLKS ARE DOING RESIDENTIAL COLLECTION, THEY ARE PAYING THE TIPPING FEE IN THE COUNTY, AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO REALIZE.
AND PLEASE STOP ME IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
SO THE RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, ARE A $10 TIPPING FEE INCREASE FROM 69 TO 79 PER TON.
AND THEN, UH, A REDUCED MUNICIPAL GATE TIPPING FEE, JUST THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A ONE FOR THE TOWN OF $40 PER TON.
AND AN ADDITIONAL REVENUE TO THE PROGRAM WOULD BE $425,000 OR APPROXIMATELY NEXT YEAR.
SO I THINK WE REVIEWED ALL, THAT'S THE, THE NEXT SLIDE I THINK YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKAGE.
THAT'S, THAT'S FOR THE SECOND, UM, GO ROUND.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT ALL? UM, QUESTIONS? I, I HAVE JUST ONE.
I MEAN, CAN I ASK THE QUESTION DR.
DALEY, WHAT SHE JUST ASKED QUESTION? YES.
OH, I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF I WAS NOT ALLOWED TO ASK QUESTIONS.
THE, UM, THE FIRST SLIDE HE SHOWED ARE EXPENDITURES OF BEING $4 MILLION.
AND THEN OF COURSE, OUR REVENUE NOW WITH THE INCREASE IS GONNA BE CLOSE TO $1.82 MILLION.
AND YOU, AND I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION, BUT YOU KNOW, MAYBE IF WE COULD TALK OFFLINE TO SEE WHAT'S DRIVING THE, THE, UM, COSTS, I MEAN $4 MILLION AND YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE INCREASING THE REVENUE, GONNA GET 2 MILLION, THAT'S STILL $2 MILLION OF TAX DOLLARS THAT WE'RE PAY, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING A SERVICE THAT'S NEEDED
RIGHT? DON'T GET ME WRONG, BUT I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY OTHER EFFICIENCIES THAT WE COULD, YOU KNOW, IMPLEMENT MM-HMM.
AND WE'VE, AND I DON'T WANT TO DWELL INTO LANDFILL MODE, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS YOU HAVE TO REALIZE IS THAT WE STILL, WE DO HAVE A CLOSED LANDFILL AND THAT WAS USED BY THE TOWN, BY THE COUNTY, BY COMMERCIAL CLIENTS.
AND WE DO CONTINUE TO HAVE ACTIVE REMEDIATION THERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, AS THOSE THINGS CHANGE THOSE BY THEIR SELVES, THEY, THEY'RE EXPENSIVE TASKS.
BUT THAT IS PART OF OUR PROGRAM AND THAT WAS PART OF OUR WASTE PROGRAM.
SO YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT ALL THOSE THINGS.
EQUIPMENT, I MEAN, IT EQUIPMENT IS, IS REALLY INCREASED.
I MEAN, AND IT, AND IT'S, IT'S TOUGH TO GET EQUIPMENT RIGHT NOW, BUT WE JUST, WHAT WE HAD, UH, I CAN'T REMEMBER ABOUT $300,000 LOADER.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE WENT ALMOST TWICE AS LONG AS WE HAD IN THE PAST.
AND, AND, AND PART OF THE REASON WAS 'CAUSE EQUIPMENT WAS NOT READILY AVAILABLE.
AND SO SOME OF THOSE THINGS HAVE JUST BEEN AFFECTED BY THE ECONOMY.
UM, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, OVER TIME INFLATION.
BUT UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S TRASH IS EXPENSIVE.
AND THAT'S THE REASON I BROUGHT UP THAT NATIONAL AVERAGE TO LET YOU SEE THAT ALTHOUGH WE'RE A TRANSFER STATION AND, AND WE'RE ON THE LOWER END OF THE NORTHEAST, BUT BEING A TRANSFER STATION, I THINK IT'S GOOD THAT WE'RE WITHIN THAT NATIONAL AVERAGE IN THAT SECTOR THAT WE'RE WITHIN.
I JUST WANTED TO ADD TO WHAT, UH, MS. COOK WAS SAYING, THAT'S $2 MILLION WE'RE JUST THROWING AWAY
UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, AND, AND IT'S TOTALLY UP TO YOU GUYS.
I MEAN, HOW WE GO WITH THIS, BUT, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT WAYS TO IMPROVE OUR OPERATIONS ALL THE TIME, UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ALWAYS DO THINGS BETTER.
UM, WE TRY TO DO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE OVER TIME CHANGED SOME THINGS ON THE LANDFILL.
FOR INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, WE STARTED DOING MAINTENANCE OURSELVES.
WE DO WHAT WE CAN BY OURSELVES AND SAVE SOME ENGINEERING EXPENSE.
BUT SO, SO JUST TO CLARIFY, RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT CHARGING THE THE TOWN ANYTHING.
WE DON'T CHARGE 'EM ANYTHING FOR RESIDENTIAL WASTE.
THE REMEDIATION IS CAN BE EXPENSIVE 'CAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DARYL
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ANOTHER.WELL, IF A WELL TURNS UP AT ONE OF THOSE RESIDENTS CONTAMINATED, THEN WE HAVE ONE HOUSE THERE THAT WE HAVE A SYSTEM IN.
WE BUILT A WELL, BUT WE STILL HAVE A SYSTEM TO PURIFY.
UM, AND, AND THE TESTING, I, WHAT DID YOU TELL ME A COUPLE YEARS AGO? IT WAS LIKE A HUNDRED DOLLARS PER TEST.
AND I, I'D HAVE TO REALLY DIG DOWN ON IT NOW 'CAUSE THOSE COSTS HAVE INCREASED.
I'M SURE THEY HAVE EVERYTHING AND DEPENDS ON YOUR FREQUENCY IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE.
SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS REVIEW THERE? NO, NO QUESTIONS.
I JUST POINT OUT THAT, UM, FOR ANYONE WHO'S WONDERING IF WE'RE NOT ASKING A LOT OF QUESTIONS, WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION MM-HMM.
AND SO WE HAVE ASKED A LOT OF QUESTIONS OVER THE, UH, PREVIOUS MONTHS.
I JUST TOOK, I WANNA MAKE A GENERAL COMMENT AND THAT IS THAT, UH, IT, FIRST OF ALL, WHEN WAS THE, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIPPING FEE INCREASE? 2013.
SO THIS ISN'T, THIS ISN'T THE ONLY, THIS IS NOT THE ONLY AREA WHERE WE FIND, WE COME ACROSS SITUATIONS WHERE IT'S BEEN MANY, MANY YEARS BEFORE.
UH, FEES ARE INCREASED AND, AND YOU KNOW, FEES CAN BE THOUGHT OF AS TAXES BY SOME PEOPLE, BUT I THINK THERE'S A, AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION TO MAKE.
AND THAT IS THAT WHEN YOU GET REVENUE FROM THE SERVICE YOU'RE PROVIDING, SO MORE, MORE TONS, MORE DOLLARS, RIGHT? UH, IF, IF WE DON'T DO THIS, UH, THEN MORE TONS IS THE SAME DOLLARS, BUT THOSE DOLLARS ARE STILL INCREASING FOR THE COUNTY, SO THEY'RE SPREAD OVER EVERY CITIZEN.
UH, SO IT, IT'S RATIONAL I THINK TO KEEP, TO KEEP THE FEE REFLECTING THE COST AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
AS MR. COOK JUST POINTED OUT, THERE'S STILL A LARGE SUBSIDIZATION, BUT YEAH.
WELL, ONE THING I WOULD, TO YOUR POINT AND HER POINT MM-HMM.
IS, UM, WHEN I STARTED IN 11, YOU KNOW, I LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, HISTORY AND OVER A 10 YEAR PERIOD OF TIME AND, AND WE'VE GROWN, UM, SIGNIFICANTLY AS A COUNTY AND MOVED FROM AVERAGE OF 30,000 TONS TO NEARLY 40.
I MEAN, AND IF YOU PULL IN SOME OF YOUR BRUSH AND OTHER THINGS WE HANDLE, I MEAN WE, WE PROB WE'RE REALLY KNOCKING ON 40,000 TONS DOOR.
RIGHT? SO THAT IN ITSELF INCREASES YOUR COST ALSO INCREASES YOUR REVENUES, RIGHT.
BUT THAT'S, THAT WAS THE MAJOR INCREASE.
AND THEN ADD TOURISM INTO THAT AS WELL, RIGHT? YES, MA'AM.
AND, AND SO THE, THE, THE POINT I I WANNA MAKE IS THAT, UH, THAT THAT, UM, IN MY VIEW, IT'S RATIONAL TO, TO FIND REVENUE THAT'S ATTACHED TO A PARTICULAR SERVICE WE'RE PROVIDING RATHER THAN HAVE ALL OF THE CITIZEN GENERICALLY SUPPORTING AN INCREASED FEE BASIS.
SO IT'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE WANT TO DEAL WITH TRASH, WE HAVE TO PAY FOR IT EITHER BY HIGHER PROPERTY AND PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES OR BY KEEPING FEES OF THE CLOSEST POSSIBLE REFLECTION OF OUR, OF, OF WHAT IT COSTS.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M, I'M GONNA SUPPORT THIS AND THANKS FOR THE, FOR THE WORK YOU'VE DONE TO, TO LAY IT ALL OUT OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS.
AND THAT LAST SLIDE WAS IN ADDITION.
IT WAS MORE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S GONNA BE YOUR SECOND HEARING JUST AS THE INFORMATION SESSION.
WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THE SMALLER CHARGES AND COSTS AND I THINK YOU HAVE THE, THE TIRE SHEET BEFORE YOU, IT'S, IT'S BEEN EVEN MORE YEARS ON, ON THAT END.
UM, BUT WE'VE HAD SOME CHANGES AND, AND WE DO MONITOR THOSE COSTS, BUT WE'VE HAD SOME CHANGES AND WE'RE PART OF THE REGIONAL COMMISSION.
BUT YOU KNOW, WE'VE SOME CHANGES THERE.
AND THOSE COSTS ARE INCREASING IN THE LABOR EXPENSE AS WELL.
SO AT THIS POINT I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU, MR. CHAIR.
MR. HENDERSON, HAS ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? NO MA'AM.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM AT THIS TIME? SECOND CALL.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK? THIRD AND FINAL PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
IF THERE'S NO MORE DISCUSSION, IS THERE A MOTION? MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AUTHORIZED THE INCREASED TRANSFER OF STATION TIPPING FEE RATE FOR, UH, FOR FISCAL YEAR 24 25 COMMENCING JULY 1ST, 2024 AT $79 PER TON FOR COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL SOLID WASTE AND $40 PER TON FOR MUNICIPAL RESIDENTIAL SOLID WASTE.
ACTUAL FEE WILL BE BASED UPON NET WEIGHT AS DEMONSTRATED BY THE USE OF VEHICLE SCALE.
MR. STAN MEYER AYE MR. BUTLER? AYE.
[L. Public Hearing - Increased Transfer Station Gate Fees ]
PUBLIC HEARING IS INCREASED TRANSFER STATION GATE FEES MR. BERRY.SO, UM, YOU KNOW, AFTER ALL THE DISCUSSION WITH THE T, WHICH IS OUR PRIMARY SOURCE OF REVENUE, UM, I HAD ASKED
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A QUESTION ABOUT REVIEWING OUR OTHER FEES AND STRUCTURES.AND MY STAFF ACTUALLY MENTIONED TIRES AND, AND THEY DO TRACK, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE DOING, HOW MUCH WE'RE DOING, HOW LONG IT'S BEEN, BUT IT'S BEEN EVEN LONGER ON THE TIRES.
AND, AND I MENTIONED THE TIRE PROGRAM HAS INCREASED, BUT, UM, OUR CURRENT CHARGES FOR TIRES, PAINT, YARD WASTE, UM, ET CETERA, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ADJUSTED SINCE MAY OF 2003.
UM, AND, AND IF YOU WANT, I CAN GO THROUGH EACH CHARGE IF YOU'D LIKE.
I MEAN, WE'RE MOVING FROM A 16 INCH TIRE, WHICH IS COMMON FROM A DOLLAR 50 TO TWO.
UM, YOU KNOW, TH THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL CHARGE FOR A RIM BECAUSE OF PROCESSING.
UM, WE WE'RE, I THINK IT IN A LOT OF OUR, A LOT OF WAYS WE'RE STILL, YOU KNOW, IN LINE WITH COMMERCIAL CLIENTS, BUT A LOT OF TIMES THEY HAVE AN ADDITIONAL PROCESSING FEE ON TOP OF THEIR CHARGE, UM, UH, TRACTOR TIRE.
SOME OF IT WAS JUST TRYING TO GET IT IN ORDER, LIKE YOU SAID, TO DO IT MORE REGULARLY SO THAT WE HAVE A SHEET.
AND I THINK MR. HAM RECOMMENDED THAT WE HAVE A, A REGULAR RATE SHEET THAT WE COULD JUST BRING FORTH AND SAY, OKAY, THIS IS WHERE WE ARE CURRENTLY.
THIS IS WHERE WE FEEL WE SHOULD MOVE TO.
AND THEN THE BOARD CAN MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.
UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS IN HERE, UH, UM, WE, WE DIDN'T HAVE, UM, WE STILL HAVE NO CHARGE FOR RESIDENTIAL BRUSH.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CURRENT TRUNK TRUNKS OR STUMPS, UM, IS $30 PER TON MOVING THAT UP.
'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF, WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE TAKING CARE OF STUMPS, IF YOU BRING IN STUMPS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE PICK UP THE BACK OF A PICKUP, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A GUY CHAINSAW TIME.
YOU KNOW, AND SO IT'S EXTENSIVE LABOR.
SO HAVING A REDUCED RATE FOR A, A STUMP FOR A COMMERCIAL CLIENT OR A RESIDENT, YOU KNOW, FOR, YOU KNOW, WILLIAM BRUSH DID NOT MAKE SENSE.
SO JUST LOOKING AT ALL THOSE COSTS.
UM, AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, THE ADDITIONAL CHARGES PROPOSED WERE JUST FOR COMMERCIAL CLIENTS.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT OUR CURRENT LANDFILL DID, IT'S A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, THEY HIT US WITH A FEE.
IF WE, IF A TIRE SLIPS THROUGH, WHICH SOMETIMES A TIRE SLIPS THROUGH, SOMEONE PUTS IT IN THE BACK SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY, THEY CHARGE US $40 A TIRE.
IF IT, IF IT COMES OUT ON THE LANDFILL, WE GET CHARGED $40.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE PROPOSED MO UH, A $20 IN A LOAD, WHICH IS 50% OF WHAT WE PAY, UM, AS A DETERRENT.
WHY, WHY NOT 40? WELL, I MEAN, YOU'RE WELCOME TO BUMP IT UP.
I, I DIDN'T WANT TO, I, I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY EXCESSIVE WHAT THEY WERE DOING TO US.
UM, IT'S OUR JOB TO LOOK FOR THOSE TIRES.
HERE, HERE'S A QUESTION FOR YOU.
WHEN I READ THIS, UH, WHAT IF THERE'S SIX TIRES IN THE LOAD? WELL, WE WOULD HIT 'EM WITH A PER YEAH.
SAYS, 'CAUSE IT SAYS TIRES AND LOAD 20.
SO IF I COME, SO I MEAN, YOUR COMMERCIAL CLIENTS, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE'VE, WE DON'T HAVE THAT MANY, UM, THAT ARE REGULAR.
PROBABLY THE WORST WE'VE EVER HAD WAS LIKE AT A BURGER KING.
UM, SOMEBODY WAS ABUSING THE DUMPSTER AND WE, YOU KNOW, WE TRIED TO BE NICE, BUT, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY WAS JUST FILLING IT UP WITH TIRES.
AND, YOU KNOW, HEY GUYS, YOU NEED TO WATCH THIS THING.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE DEALING WITH THE VENDOR, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA ACCEPT THESE.
UM, AND IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, A DOLLAR OR $5, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A GOOD DEAL FOR THEM.
I THINK THAT IN MY OPINION, UH, WHEN THE RULES ARE NO TIRES AND, AND YOU PUT TIRES IN, RIGHT? YOU, YOU'VE BASICALLY VIOLATED THE RIGHT, THE INTENTIONS AND, AND FULL, FULL FEE, UH, WOULD SEEM APPROPRIATE.
WE MAY BE TALKING ABOUT A COUPLE HUNDRED BUCKS A YEAR.
I, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I'M JUST IN TERMS TERMS OF WE DON'T HAVE MANY.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WE, WE WANT TO DETER THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE NEVER HAD A LISTED BIOHAZARD PROCESSING FEE.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, WHEN, HEY, IF A, A MEDICAL LOAD COMES IN, IT SHOULDN'T BE THERE AND THEY DROP A RED BAG FULL OF NEEDLES ON THE GROUND, WE GOTTA STOP THE PRESS AND THEN WE GOTTA GO THROUGH ALL THE MOTIONS AND CALL FOLKS.
YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW WHERE IT'S FROM OR THEY CAN'T DO IT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE SHUTTING DOWN OUR OPERATION OR HALF OUR OPERATION.
UM, AND, AND IT'S AN INCONVENIENCE THAT WE FEEL FOR ALL THOSE CATEGORIES OF THINGS, I WOULD RECOMMEND WE CHARGE WHATEVER YOU GET CHARGED.
I, I JUST FEEL LIKE IF WE HAVE SOMETHING THERE, RIGHT? WE DON'T CURRENTLY YEAH.
I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING SO WE CAN YEP.
THINK WE'RE, UM, MR. BUTLER, YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH.
I WAS GONNA ASK YOU THE, THE, THE SAME THING.
YOU KNOW, I WAS JUST THERE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
WE'RE, WE'RE DOING SOME YARD WORK AND STUFF AND, AND, UH, GETTING RID OF SOME, SOME, UH, OLD DECKING AND STUFF.
BUT I WAS, YOU KNOW, WHEN I DROVE UP THERE, THE, UH, THE GENTLEMAN, HE WAS, HE
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WAS REALLY GOOD, VERY NICE.AND I WAS THINKING, GOSH, HOW COME THEY DON'T CHARGE ANYTHING? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD ME DRIVE UP TO THAT BUILDING AND THEN I WAS IN A PICKUP TRUCK AND THROW ALL THE STUFF ON THE FLOOR, AND THEN THEY SCOOPED IT UP.
IF YOU'RE, YOU GET 999 POUNDS PER DAY FREE VIA ONE TRIP.
AND, YOU KNOW, THOSE GUYS HAVE BEEN WATCHING TRUCKS FOR, UH, QUITE A LONG TIME.
UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, I MEAN, THEY CAN WEIGH YOU AND THEY DO TYPICALLY WEIGH YOU.
I MEAN, IF YOU GOT A HANDFUL OF BOARDS, THEY PROBABLY AREN'T GONNA THINK YOU GOT A THOUSAND POUNDS IN THERE,
BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO CHARGE RESIDENTS MORE, EXCUSE, YOU CAN LET ME KNOW AND I'LL PUT YOUR NAME ON IT.
MY, MY ONLY CONCERN, AND WE, WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENS IS, UM, IF THEY, IF THEY KNOW THEY'VE GOT TIRES AND THEY DON'T WANNA PAY, THEY DUMP 'EM ALONG THE ROAD SOMEWHERE.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN WITH HAVING A RATE OR INCREASE IN A RATE.
BUT I, I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR THE RATE.
BECAUSE WE'RE BEING CHARGED FOR IT.
UM, BUT I, WHO I FORESEE A LOT OF DUMPING ALONGSIDE THE ROAD'S GONNA COME AS AS WELL.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY WE'VE ALWAYS HAD A RATE.
THE OTHER THING THAT WE DO THAT OTHER JURISDICTIONS DO NOT IS TYPICALLY, AND IT'S SEPTEMBER TO OCTOBER, WE'RE THE ONLY COUNTY THAT STILL THAT I KNOW OF IN THE AREA THAT HAS A AMNESTY PROGRAM YEAH.
WITH PEOPLE TO RESIDENTS TO BRING UP TO 20 TIRES FREE THAT DAY, WHICH IS PRETTY BIG.
AND THE REASON THAT WAS STARTED WAS BECAUSE OF AN INITIATIVE AND IT STARTED IN THE STATE TO CLEAN UP TIRE PILES.
SO WE HAVE CONTINUED ON WITH THAT CLEANUP DAY AND THAT CLEANUP DAY IS QUITE EXPENSIVE.
UM, BUT WE CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT DAY, UM, ONCE ANNUALLY.
AND, YOU KNOW, UNTIL, I MEAN, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE THAT THIS YEAR, WE PLAN TO AT THIS POINT.
AND I THINK THAT WILL CURB SOME OF YOUR ISSUE.
'CAUSE I HAVE FOLKS THAT CALL US AND ASK US THE DATE.
I WENT TO THE EVENT IN FREDERICK COUNTY WHERE THEY'RE GETTING THAT SHREDDER.
I KNOW YOU'RE PART OF THAT CONGLOMERATE GROUP THAT MEETS, ARE WE GONNA HAVE ACCESS TO THAT TO MAYBE, ARE THEY GONNA CHARGE US FOR IT? UH, IS THAT ANOTHER WAY TO DEAL WITH THESE TIRES? WELL, THAT, AND, AND WE DO GET CHARGED.
WE PAY A FEE, BUT WE ALSO ARE PART OF THE PROGRAM.
AND THAT'S THE REASON THAT WE CAN GET RID OF OUR TIRES IN FREDERICK COUNTY.
THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT WE CAN SEND THERE.
UM, BUT IF THE PROGRAM WERE TO BE DEFUNCT, I MEAN, I CAN'T TELL YOU EXACTLY, I WOULD ASSUME IT WOULD PROBABLY BE POPULATION BASED THAT WE WOULD, UH, BE A, RECEIVE ABORTION OF THAT REVENUE.
UM, 'CAUSE IT'S, THE PROGRAM ACTUALLY OPERATES.
AND, UM, SO THE GRANT GOT THE NEW SHREDDER, BUT ALL THE PREVIOUS ONES WERE PURCHASED THROUGH THE REGIONAL COMMISSION.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, FREDERICK COUNTY, YEARS AGO, I THINK SHENANDOAH RAN IT.
THEY USED TO DO IT MOBILE AND THAT GOT TO BE COSTLY.
NOW IT'S STATIONARY, SO WE ARE A PART OF THE PROGRAM.
UH, BUT THERE'S STILL A COST OF DOING BUSINESS.
BUT WE'RE ALSO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A OUTLET FOR TIRES AND THAT'S A GOOD THING.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE HAD TO PAY TO SHIP 'EM SOMEPLACE AND THEN PAY THEM TO TAKE THEM AS WELL.
THERE WAS A TIME WHERE THERE, AND, AND OCCASIONALLY YOU CAN FIND SOME FOLKS THAT'LL TAKE 'EM, BUT THEY DON'T, THEY, A LOT OF TIMES THEY DRY UP, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE, HEY, WE'LL, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE YOUR USE TIRE FOLKS.
UM, BUT WE DON'T GET A WHOLE LOT OF USEFUL TIRES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. BERRY? OKAY.
IF NOT, MR. HENDERSON, HAS ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ONE? NO, MA'AM.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ONE AT THIS TIME? YES, MA'AM.
JUST RESTATE YOUR NAME AND DISTRICT.
RIVERVIEW SHENANDOAH FARMS. AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT WE DID PART OF THE TRASH FREE SHENANDOAH IN ONE PART, ONE SPOT ON THE RIVER IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND WE GOT 180 TIRES.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, SO THAT'S JUST ONE SPOT.
AND OF COURSE IT WAS THROUGHOUT THE RIVER.
AND I'M WONDERING HOW WE CAN HAVE AN INCENTIVE FOR PEOPLE TO TURN IT IN TO AN APPROPRIATE PLACE.
THAT'S HOW, I DON'T KNOW ALL THE SOLUTIONS AND I MIGHT HAVE EDUCATED, BUT THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED IN OUR COMMUNITY.
AND THEN WOULD WE HAVE TO PAY TO TURN IN THOSE, THEY'RE ALL VOLUNTEERS.
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OUT AND GET EQUIPMENT AND THEN TO HAVE TO PAY.I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SOLUTION IS, BUT MAYBE AN INCENTIVE FOR PEOPLE WHO TURN IN TIRES.
ANYONE ELSE THAT'D LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? ABSOLUTELY.
JUST REAL QUICKLY, LISTENING TO HIM ABOUT THE TIRES AND, UM, KNOWING THAT WE WANT A SHOOTING RANGE, WHY DON'T WE RECYCLE AND USE 'EM FOR THE BURMA INSTEAD OF TAKING HIM TO FREDERICK COUNTY.
ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? SECOND CALL.
THIRD AND FINAL PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
ANY DISCUSSION? IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION I MOVE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE INCREASED FEES FOR THE WARREN COUNTY TRANSFER STATION.
[H. Appropriations and Transfers ]
WE ARE BACK TO OUR AGENDA WHERE WE'RE AT, APPROPRIATIONS AND TRANSFERS.IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THOSE OR QUESTIONS? DISCUSSIONS? HEARING NONE? IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED? MADAM CHAIR? SO MOVED.
[I. Approval of Accounts]
OF ACCOUNTS? ANY QUESTION, DISCUSSION? YES, I DO.ON THE WARREN COUNTY EXPENDITURE SUMMARY REPORT.
UM, JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS, WHEN I LOOK AT THESE REPORTS, I LOOK AT PERCENT SPENT TO DATE.
AND, AND I KNOW WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION BEFORE.
SO ANY EVENT, SO I'M LOOKING AT IT FOR THE, AS OF END OF MAY 31ST THAT OUR, UH, SPENT TO DATE IS 74% WHEN WE REALLY SHOULD BE UP CLOSE TO 90%.
RIGHT? BECAUSE OUR FISCAL YEAR ENDS IN COUPLE, WHAT, SIX WEEKS? SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM LINE, YOU KNOW, UH, IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT CAUGHT MY EYE WAS IF YOU'RE ONLY 74% COMPLETED, THAT MEANS IN THE NEXT SIX WEEKS WE'RE GONNA BE SPENDING $24 MILLION.
BUT THEN I CAME OVER HERE AND THEN I SAW A NOTE AND IT SAID, TOTALS DO NOT INCLUDE PAYROLL FOR ME.
SO, UM, I ALREADY REACHED OUT TO OUR FINANCIAL DIRECTOR.
UM, BUT, UM, MY OPINION WITH THIS REPORT, IT'S, IT'S INCOMPLETE.
THIS IS WHAT WE'RE SHOWING OUR CONSTITUENTS, HOW MUCH WE SPENT, AND IT'S NOT THE TOTAL NUMBER.
SO I JUST WANTED TO, UM, POINT THAT OUT.
UM, MY OPINION ON THIS ONE REPORT, BUT ALL THE OTHER REPORTS I HAVE NO OTHER ISSUES WITH.
DID YOU WANNA MAKE ANY COMMENTS? UH, NO, NOT REALLY.
I COULD RESPOND TO THE BOARD HOW I RESPONDED TO MRS. KIRK EARLIER.
UM, WHICH WAS WHEN WE SWITCHED OVER TO OUR CURRENT PAYROLL VENDOR, THE COUNTY ASKED FOR A CUSTOMIZED UPLOAD FILE TO OUR FINANCIAL SYSTEM.
AND THE GOAL FOR EACH PAYROLL WAS TO RUN REPORT THAT COULD BE UPLOADED WITHOUT MODIFICATION.
UNFORTUNATELY, EACH MONTH THE FINANCE DIRECTOR WAS REQUIRED TO EDIT THE UPLOAD FILE.
SO I HAVE BEEN WORKING DIRECTLY WITH OUR PAYROLL VENDOR TO ADJUST THIS CUSTOMIZED UPLOAD FILE.
BUT THE ADJUSTMENTS WERE NOT CONSISTENTLY CORRECT.
THE ADJUSTMENTS I'M ASKING FOR, UH, REQUIRE ANOTHER VENDOR WHO I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH TWICE A WEEK SINCE THE BEGINNING OF MAY TO FIGURE OUT WITH THE PROJECT COMPLETION DATE OF JULY 1ST, 2024.
SO FOR THE LAST FEW PAYROLLS, I'VE BEEN MODIFYING IT SIGNIFICANTLY, WHICH IS NOT ONLY TIME CONSUMING, BUT ALSO LEAVES ROOM FOR ERRORS.
THE MAY PAYROLL FILE CURRENTLY IS NOT BALANCED AND DOES NOT HIT OUR GENERAL LEDGER CORRECTLY.
SO I'VE BEEN UNABLE TO UPLOAD TO OUR CREDENTIAL SYSTEM.
DR. DALE, YOU RAISED YOUR HAND, DID YOU? I DIDN'T WANNA OVERLOOK YOU.
NO, IT'S JUST SHE'S WORKING ON IT AND IT WILL BE CORRECTED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR I JUST GONNA ADD ONE THING.
YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW THAT WHAT IT TAKES, YOU KNOW, TO RECONCILE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DOLLARS GO TO THE RIGHT, UM, CLIN NUM, UH, EXCUSE ME, LINE ITEM AND THAT KIND OF THING.
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KNOW, WE, WE, WE PAID PEOPLE, RIGHT? SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY, YOU KNOW, WE COULD HAVE JUST PUT A LINE ITEM AND, YOU KNOW, AND SAID, OKAY, WE CAN'T, RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF, YOU KNOW, PUTTING IN WITH THE RIGHT LINE ITEM.BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE COULDN'T HAVE JUST PUT WELL FOR THE, FOR, UM, NMA WE, OUR PAYROLL WAS THIS MUCH TO GIVE US A, A TRUE, UM, ACTUALS TO DATE NUMBER RATHER THAN HOW IT WAS REPORTED.
BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION GOING FORWARD.
MAYBE IF WE CAN THINK ABOUT HOW TO, HOW TO STILL MAKE A REPORT COMPLETE EVEN THOUGH WE MAY HAVE TO MODIFY IT A LITTLE BIT TO GET, GIVE THE, UH, THE PUBLIC TO SEE REALLY WHAT WE'RE SPENDING THE BOTTOM LINE NUMBER.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSIONS? IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED OR ANOTHER MOTION? WELL, I DON'T SEE A COVER SHEET FOR A MOTION HERE.
AM I MISSING SOMETHING? I'M LOOKING AT THE APPROVAL ACCOUNTS AND I SEE REPORT, REPORT, REPORT.
NORMALLY THERE'S JUST A MOTION TO APPROVE THERE.
JUST A MOTION TO APPROVE OR NOT APPROVE.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND ROLL CALL.
MRS. COOK? I HATE TO DO THIS, BUT NO.
MR. SANDMEYER? AYE, IN MY, UH, DENIAL WAS BASED ON I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT POLICY AND I'M GLAD YOU'RE WORKING ON THAT.
SO, UM, I CAN START SAYING YES.
[J. Approval of Minutes - June 6th 2024 ]
MINUTES FROM JUNE 6TH, 2024.IS THAT JUNE 6TH? ANY JUNE SINCE THE JUNE 4TH, 2024? OR IT'S THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM JUNE 6TH? THAT, THAT'S A TYPO.
YEAH, THAT'S, I KNEW THAT I MISSED THAT MEETING 'CAUSE THAT, THAT WAS MY WIFE'S BIRTHDAY.
I, I'M READING OFF THE PAPER HERE.
SO THANK YOU FOR THAT CORRECTION.
UM, APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM JUNE 4TH, 2024.
ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS, ADDITIONS, DELETIONS, HEARING NONE.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED? SO MOVED.
[M. Consent Agenda ]
AT THE CONSENT AGENDA AND I WOULD LIKE TO PULL ITEM 13.DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY ITEMS THEY WOULD LIKE TO PULL FOR DISCUSSION HEREIN? NONE.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH THE EXCEPTION OF 13, 17, AND 18? SO MOVED.
[13. Budget and Approporation Resolution for FY 2024-2025]
ITEM 13 IS THE BUDGET AND APPROPRIATION FOR YEAR 24 TO 25.AND I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT'S AN ITEM THAT SHOULD BE A STANDALONE.
UM, SO IF THERE IS ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BUDGET, I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION ON THE WORK, OUR WORK SESSION, IT SAID THAT THERE WAS GONNA BE A BUDGET REVIEW.
SO IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE NEED TO REVIEW BEFORE WE APPROVE THIS? OR IS IT WAS JUST A REPEAT THAT WE'VE BEEN SEEING? IT WAS A REPEAT OF WHAT YOU'VE DONE THE LAST SIX MONTHS, MA'AM.
AND I WANNA THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS.
AT THIS POINT, IF THERE IS NO OTHER QUESTIONS, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE BUDGET AND APPROPRIATIONS FOR THE 24 25
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YEAR MADAM JURY? AND THAT WOULD BE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION APPROVING FISCAL YEAR 24 25 BUDGET AND APPROPRIATING FUNDS FOR WARREN COUNTY, VIRGINIA.THAT'S IN YOUR PACKET, CORRECT? SO THAT'S THE MOTION, BECAUSE YOU REMEMBER A COUPLE YEARS AGO YOU HAD TO COME BACK TWO NIGHTS LATER.
I, I MOVE THAT THE WARREN COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ADOPT THE RESOLUTION APPROVING FISCAL YEAR 20 24, 20 25 BUDGET AND APPROVING FUNDS FOR WARREN COUNTY VIRGIN AND APPROPRIATING FUNDS FOR WARREN COUNTY, VIRGINIA.
DOES THAT COVER EVERYTHING MR. HAM? YES.
IS THERE A SECOND? SORRY TO BE PEDANTIC, BUT THIS IS IMPORTANT.
SECOND ROLL CALL MR. HENDERSON.
[17. Citizen Appointment(s) to the Industrial Development Authority of The Town of Front Royal and The County of Warren, Virginia, doing business as the Economic Development Authority, - Ed Daley, County Administrator ]
ITEM 17 IS CITIZEN APPOINTMENT TO THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY OF THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL AND THE COUNTY OF WARREN VIRGINIA DOING BUSINESS AS THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY.THERE HAS BEEN, UM, A NOMINATION OF DAVE MCDERMOTT FOR THAT POSITION.
UM, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE HIS APPOINTMENT TO THE DA BOARD? MS. MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPOINT MR. DAVID MCDERMOTT TO THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY OF THE TOWN OF FRONT OIL AND THE COUNTY OF WARREN VIRGINIA, DOING BUSINESS AS THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY TO FILL AN UNEXPIRED TERM LASTING FROM JUNE 25TH, 2024 TO FEBRUARY 28TH, 2025.
[18. Renewal of Memorandum of Understanding for Fiscal Agency services with the Industrial Development Authority of The Town of Front Royal and The County of Warren, Virginia, doing business as the Economic Development Authority. - Ed Daley, County Administrator ]
IS THE RENEWAL OF THE RE MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT FOR FISCAL AGENCY SERVICES WITH THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY OF THE TOWN OF FORT ROYAL AND THE COUNTY OF WARREN VIRGINIA DOING BUSINESS AS THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY.IS THERE A MOTION ON THAT ITEM? YES, MADAM.
MADAM CHAIR, I, I MOVED THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE REQUEST FOR THE FRONT ROYAL WARREN COUNTY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY TO APPOINT WARREN COUNTY AS HIS FISCAL AGENT AND FURTHER AUTHORIZE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, CHAIR CHAIRMAN TO EXECUTE THE PROPOSED MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING FOR FISCAL, UH, AGENCY SERVICES.
UH, I'M SORRY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
MAYBE WE WANNA WAIT FOR A SECOND.
YOU'VE GOT AN OLDER VERSION OF THE MOTION AND I COULD, SO WE'RE ON M 18, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.
I'LL GO AHEAD AND DO YOU HAVE THE HARD COPY? WE'RE GONNA GET FEEDBACK AGAIN.
HOPEFULLY THE GHOST IN THE TV IS GONE.
WHO IS THAT HANDSOME GUY? SECOND FROM THE LEFT.
SO MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AUTHORIZED COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT FOR FISCAL AGENCY SERVICES ON BEHALF OF THE COUNTY.
[N. Shenandoah Farms SD Revenue Sharing updates and cancelations -Old Oak IV Update, Youngs Drive update, Lake Drive update & Old Oak V and Western Lane Cancelation ]
ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE CHAND FARM SANITARY DISTRICT REVENUE SHARING UPDATES AND CANCELLATIONS.OLD OAK FOUR UPDATE YOUNG'S DRIVE, UPDATE, LAKE DRIVE, UPDATE, AND OLD OAK FIVE AND WESTERN LANE CANCELLATION.
SHE WAS ALREADY, I DUNNO, MAYBE WE JUST NEED TO PULL THE PLUG.
I GOT A COUPLE MAPS I'M GONNA HAND OUT WHILE THEY'RE WORKING ON THAT.
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WE GOOD? THANK YOU.UM, THE TWO MAPS I HANDED OUT, I HAD RECENTLY HAD A MEETING WITH, UH, DR.
DALEY AND, AND MR. STAN MEYER.
AND, UM, JUST GOING, JUST REVIEWING SOME HISTORY, UM, WITH THE ROAD SYSTEM AND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THE PLAN TO TRY TO PUT A, UM, LIKE A MAIN ARTERY THROUGH THE COMMUNITY.
AND I THOUGHT THESE MAPS WERE VERY INSIGHTFUL AND I, AND I'VE TRIED TO PUT 'EM, PUT 'EM IN, BUT LIKE SOME OF 'EM ARE SO BIG YOU CAN'T REALLY GET 'EM INTO POWERPOINT AND IT'S HARD TO READ.
UM, AND SO I WANT, I JUST WANTED YOU TO KIND OF GET A LOOK, YOU KNOW, THE VILLE ROAD, THAT'S THE LOOP AND, AND THE ONE MILE OF OLD OAK THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING FOR QUITE A LONG TIME.
AND ALSO THE, THE OTHER MAP IS, UH, IS A MAP THAT I, I ASKED TO, UM, HAVE UPDATED, I THINK IT WAS, UH, 2020.
UM, BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE NUMBER OF ROADS OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, 97 ROADS OUT THERE, 45 AND A HALF MILES.
AND OUT OF THAT, UM, CURRENTLY MAINTAINED BY V VDOT IS 6.12 MILES OR, AND 11 ROADS.
SO, AND, AND THEN NANDO FARM SANITARY DISTRICT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE MAINTAINING, UH, 39.39 MILES AND 86 ROADS.
SO I, I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT NARRATIVE TO, TO SEE.
'CAUSE NOT EVERYBODY HAS REALLY SEEN IT THAT WAY.
AND TO SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, HEY, THE GOAL HAS BEEN TO, TO, TO HAVE A, A NETWORK SYSTEM THAT'S GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY GOING THROUGH THE ROAD.
AND IF EI CAN MAINTAIN IT, THAT IS WONDERFUL.
UM, AND THAT, AND I JUST, THIS IS JUST A KIND OF A REGURGITATION, BUT I COULDN'T GET THE WHOLE MAP UP THERE IN READABLE FASHION.
BUT, UM, I MEAN, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? I, I THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT AS, AS WE MOVE FORWARD, 'CAUSE I KNOW SOME FOLKS HAVEN'T REALLY BEEN THROUGH THE ROADS OUT THERE.
CAN I ASK YOU ONE? YES, MA'AM.
YOU'VE GOT AREAS COVERED IN BLUE AND AREAS NOT COVERED.
IS THE BLUE DISTINGUISHING, WHAT IS THAT'S CDO FARMS BOUNDARIES.
THE THE SANITARY DISTRICT ROADS.
BECAUSE I KNEW NOT ALL OF THEM WERE VET.
THEN ON THAT BIG MAP THAT THE GREEN, WHICH WAS THE MAP, UM, AND IT'S HARD TO SEE HERE, BUT UM, YOU KNOW, IT HAS IN THE LEGEND YOU CAN SEE THE STATE MAINTAINED HIS GREEN AND THEN THE YELLOW IS THE COUNTY THE, OKAY.
SO I, I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PICTURE.
UM, AS, AS WE CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD OUT THERE.
MM-HMM,
WE, UH, MY LAST, I THINK MY LAST PRESENTATION THERE WAS A PROBLEM UPDATE AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE VENDOR AND WHAT WAS GOING ON.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, JUST ON A GOOD NOTE, I MEAN, WE ARE MOVING FORWARD.
OUR CURRENT BUDGET IS A MILLION $600,000.
WE'VE EXPENDED JUST OVER A MILLION MILLION TO DATE.
UM, INITIALLY OUR, OUR GOAL WAS JUNE ONE WITH VDOT AND, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ALREADY MISSED THAT DATE.
UM, AND THAT WAS PRIMARILY DUE TO THAT VENDOR AND, AND, AND THEIR BANKRUPTCY.
UM, WE'VE UPDATED THAT TO OCTOBER 1ST, 2024.
WE DO HAVE A, A PUBLIC NOTICE OUT, AND I THINK MR. STAN MEYER HAD ASKED ME ABOUT THAT.
BUT WE DID PUT OUT A PUBLIC NOTICE ONCE I HAD SOME CONFIRMATION FROM THE CONTRACTOR, UM, ON WHEN WE COULD GET BACK IN THERE.
AND I'M HOPEFUL THAT WE CAN POTENTIALLY BEAT THAT DATE.
BUT, UM, I HAD TO GET VDOT A SOLID DATE AND THAT NEXT SHEET, I JUST PUT THAT IN AND I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN READ IT WELL, BUT, UM, MONTHLY, UM, I UPDATE, UM, VDOT HAS THEIR OWN SMART PORTAL, UM, AND WE GO IN AND WE UPDATE, YOU KNOW, COSTS AND WHERE WE'RE AT DOLLAR WISE.
AND, AND THAT'S A, A PROJECT UPDATE.
AND, UM, THAT'S WHERE WE UPDATE THE, THE, THE DATES.
SO THEY WANT TO KEEP US ON TARGET AS WELL.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? SO THE NEXT TWO STATIONS, UM, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT WE HAVE NOT INSTALLED YET.
UM, AND, AND YOU'RE AWARE, YOU, YOU ALREADY WERE TOLD ABOUT THE, UH, THE TRANSITION, UM, TO CPMP.
UM, WE ISSUED A PURCHASE ORDER, UM, BACK IN APRIL FOR THOSE, UH, TWO EXTRA CAR OR THE TWO
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CARPETS.WE HAVE NOT YET COMPLETED 12 SECTIONS OF MATERIAL.
UM, WE ACTUALLY HAD A, UM, $15,000 SAVINGS OVER THE ORIGINAL PURCHASE ORDER ISSUED THE TOTAL FOR, FOR WHAT WE HAVE LEFT ON THOSE AS AS 2 74 9 0 9.
THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN ISSUED IN THE PO.
UM, LAST TIME I SPOKE WITH YOU, WE HADN'T HAD THOSE DRAWINGS YET APPROVED.
UM, I ACTUALLY HAD A, A TELECONFERENCE WITH GEI THIS MORNING.
AND, UM, THEY'RE ANTICIPATING COMING BACK IN THIS WEEK TO ACTUALLY TO, UH, TO MARK, UH, THE GRADES AND, AND STAKE OFF WHERE THEY'LL BEGIN TO DIG AND, AND TO PREPARE TO COME IN.
UM, THEY WILL MOBILIZE TO THE CIPHER CONSTRUCTION AFTER COMPLETION OF THE INDIAN HOLLOW BOAT LANDING PROJECT, WHICH THEY'RE, UM, DOING WELL ON.
UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ANTICIPATING COMPLETING THAT PRIOR TO THE JULY 4TH HOLIDAY IS WHAT THEY TOLD ME.
AND THEN SOON AFTER THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL, THEY'LL BE BACK INTO CONSTRUCTION.
UM, GEI ANTICIPATES ABOUT TWO WEEKS OF DIGGING AND GRADING TO BE READY FOR THAT NEXT SET OF BOX CULVERTS.
AND MY CURRENT DATE, IF ALL GOES WELL IS JULY 24TH FOR THE NEXT, UM, BOX CULVERT TO BE DELIVERED ON SITE.
SO AFTER THAT WE'LL HAVE THE FINAL BOX CULVERTS SET TO COME IN.
AND, AND, UH, AT THIS POINT I WOULD ANTICIPATE AUGUST, UM, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALWAYS WEATHER DEPENDENT AND, UM, THE CONTRACTOR, I'LL HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, RELY ON THEM AND TOUCHING BASE WITH THEM.
BUT, UM, I ANTICIPATE US, UM, HITTING THAT FINAL COMPLETION OR THE CHANGE FINAL COMPLETION OF OCTOBER ONE TO INCLUDE OUR FINAL ASPHALT.
AND I'VE ALREADY SPOKE WITH OUR VENDOR AND LET HIM KNOW WE'VE BEEN PUSHED BACK, WHICH IS PROBABLY NOT A BAD THING FOR THEM 'CAUSE THEY DO A LOT OF VDOT WORK.
UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SO THEY'RE AWARE AND I DON'T, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON OLD OAK FOUR UNDER THE SCHOOLS? I KNOW YOU HAD TO WORK AROUND THEM IN THE SPRING.
IS THAT GONNA BE THE SAME THING WHEN SCHOOL STARTS? I, I, I MEAN, I'M SURE THAT, I MEAN, THAT SHOULDN'T BE A, A MAJOR PROBLEM 'CAUSE WE'VE, I I PROBABLY TOUCH BASE WITH THE SCHOOLS AND TRY TO KEEP IN COMMUNICATION WITH, UM, FIRE AND RESCUE AND EMERGENCY SERVICES SO THEY'RE AWARE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I THINK THE PUBLIC NOTICES, IF THERE'S ANY OTHER CHANGE, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE'LL SHIP THAT OUT TO EVERYBODY.
UM, BUT I, I'M, I'M CONFIDENT I'M, I'M HOPEFUL WE MIGHT, WE MIGHT BE EARLY, BUT I DON'T WANNA, I DON'T WANNA JINX MYSELF AT THIS POINT.
WELL, I, I CERTAINLY DON'T WANNA, I'M GONNA GET THE PROJECT DONE, HAVE WATER BE AN ISSUE OF HOLDING THEM UP THAT GOODNESS GRACIOUS, WE ARE SO DRY THAT, RIGHT.
SO IT'S BEAUTIFUL TIME AND I, I JUST YEAH, BEAUTIFUL TIME RIGHT NOW IF WE CAN GET TO IT, UM, AT THE SAME TIME, UM, YOU KNOW HOW IT GOES.
ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON FOUR? UM, OLD OAK, FIVE AND I, WE, WE ALREADY REVIEWED THE, THE ENGINEERING, UM, AND, AND, AND THE, AND THE PRELIMINARY, UM, ASSESSMENT.
UM, LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT ME TO READ THE WHOLE NARRATIVE AGAIN, BUT I'LL, I'LL JUST JUMP THROUGH.
UM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POTENTIAL, UM, RETAINING WALLS, UM, UP TO $2 MILLION FOR THE RETAINING WALL THAT'S NOT INCLUDED.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND I, AND I TOOK, UH, I THINK MR. BUTLER THROUGH THERE ON A RIDE, UM, TO LOOK AT THE AREA.
UM, AND, AND YOU KNOW, HE WASN'T, HADN'T BEEN THROUGH THERE.
SO I THINK IT SHOWS YOU WHERE, WHERE THAT ACTUAL CREEK BED IS.
AND, UM, THERE'S NO ROOM TO WORK.
AND, AND, AND I'VE MENTIONED, AND, AND AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, I MEAN, I HATE TO CONTINUE TO BRING BAD NEWS, BUT WE MENTIONED IN 2020, AND THAT'S REALLY WHEN WE GOT KICKED INTO THIS THING.
BUT VDOT, IN DECEMBER OF 2020, THEY CHANGED.
THEY BROUGHT A WHOLE NEW TEAM ON.
AND THIS THING REALLY MOVED FROM LIKE LOCALLY, YOU KNOW, WITH YOUR SUPERINTENDENT AND QUESTIONS THROUGH TEAM TO, HEY, WE HAVE A WHOLE NEW PROGRAM AND THERE'S A EXPECTATION FOR PLANS.
AND, UM, AND THAT REALLY CHANGED, CHANGED THE SCHEME OF THINGS.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK A LOT OF THE PROJECTS WITH A, YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST WERE A STRAIGHT LINE.
IF IT WASN'T A MAJOR, THIS OLD OAK FOUR IS THE, THE BIGGEST HYDRAULIC, UM, PROJECT WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, WITH JUST A ROAD WIPE.
IT'S NOT SIGNIFICANT, BUT, UH, STRAIGHT LINE DRAWING IS NO LONGER ACCEPTED.
SO, UM, I MEAN THE RECOMMENDATION, UM, IN ON THIS ITEM FOR OLD OAK FIVE IS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALREADY REVIEWED THIS AS FOR THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR SEND A LETTER TO VDOT TO CANCEL THIS PROJECT, SEND TO FARM.
SANITARY DISTRICT WOULD NOT HAVE ENOUGH FUNDING TO COMPLETE THIS PROJECT AND BUILD A RETAINING WALL AND PROBABLY ACQUIRE RIGHT OF WAY.
IT REALLY WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE IN MY OPINION, TO SPEND THREE AND A HALF PLUS THREE AND A HALF MILLION PLUS DOLLARS, ONE AND A HALF MILE ROAD OUT THERE.
AND, UM, WHAT I'VE, UM, ASKED IN THE MOTION IS TO, UH, AND I, AND I'VE SPOKE TO SOME, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT IT LAST TIME I WAS IN, IS TO DO IT INTERNALLY, UM,
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WITH, UH, NOT TO EXCEED VALUE OF $500,000.UM, WHICH I THINK IS, UM, VERY DOABLE.
UM, I'M ACTUALLY, I HAVE A, A, A SITE MEETING JUST WITH, UH, GEI NEXT WEEK.
UM, IF APPROVED, I'LL, I'LL BEGIN TO, UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF TIGHTEN THAT UP AND SEE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
AND, BUT I, I THINK THAT I WILL BE WITHIN BUDGET.
UM, THE, THE CHANGE WOULD BE HERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANT DOLLAR CHANGE FOR THE FARMS. AND THEN OF COURSE, IF IT'S NOT A REVENUE SHARING PROJECT, THE COUNTY WOULD NOT INPUT GENERAL FUND MONIES UNLESS THIS BOARD WOULD, AND MR. STAN MEYER ASKED ME ABOUT THAT.
WE DON'T, WE'VE NEVER PUT MONEY INTO OTHER THAN A, A REVENUE SHARING PROJECT THAT WOULD BECOME A STATE ROAD.
SO, UM, AT THAT POINT IT WOULD BE JUST SANITARY DISTRICT FUNDS.
ANY QUESTIONS OR THOUGHTS? THERE IS, IS THAT PLAN THEN TO TAR AND SHIP IT? WELL, WE ALREADY HAVE ASPHALT AT PHASE FOUR AND THEN IT'S GONNA MEET ASPHALT ON WESTERN, WHERE IS OUR NEXT PROBLEM, BUT ALSO A STATE ROAD ON ONE SIDE.
SO I WOULD PROBABLY RECOMMEND GOING AHEAD AND SIGN THEM TOGETHER IN THE SAME SECTION.
'CAUSE UM, YOU KNOW, VDOT WILL BE DOING THE TOP AND THE BOTTOM AND WE'LL BE DOING THE MIDDLE, RIGHT.
SO THE PLANT MIX MAKES MORE SENSE.
I THINK PLANT MIX MAKES SENSE IN THIS SITUATION.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE PLAN TO DO.
AND, AND I'VE ESTIMATED FOR PLANT MIX HERE AND THE MAINTENANCE WILL GO LONGER TOO.
AND WE'RE DOING THE MAINTENANCE UNTIL YOU TELL ME OTHERWISE.
UM, OLD OAK FIVE, THIS IS JUST, UH, A LOOK BACK.
UM, I DID TRY TO GET MORE REVENUE.
I WAS, I WAS SUCCESSFUL ON FOUR AND GETTING THE ADDITIONAL $300,000, UM, FROM THE STATE ON FIVE, I WAS NOT SUCCESSFUL.
SO AGAIN, IT'S A ROUGH ESTIMATE BASED ON THE ENGINEERING REVIEW.
THE APPROVED VDOT FUNDING WAS 1,000,077.
AS YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY'S NOT PLANNING TO PUT MORE FUNDING IN THE STATE IS NOT GONNA PUT MORE FUNDING IN AT THIS TIME.
AND THE FARMS DOESN'T HAVE THE MONEY.
AND I, I'M JUST TRYING TO PAINT THE PICTURE.
IF PLEASE STOP ME IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS WESTERN LANE IN YOUR PACKAGE.
UM, I THINK ZACH ADDED IT FOR ME, THE ENGINEERING REVIEW OF WESTERN LANE.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, YOU KNOW, AS, AS THE ENGINEERS LAY THAT ON PAPER, YOU'RE LOOKING AT AN ADDITIONAL POTENTIALLY $600,000 FOR RETAINING WALLS ON THAT ONE AS WELL.
SO GEOTECH NEEDED LIKELY YOU CANDLE, ROCK, MAYBE GUARDRAIL.
AND SINCE THIS THING WAS, I THINK IT WAS 2017 WHEN IT WAS INITIALLY APPLIED FOR, THERE'S BEEN UTILITIES INSTALLED THERE SO THAT, UM, THAT PROCESS IS UPON THE FARMS TOTALLY MOVING THOSE UTILITIES, WHICH IS ANOTHER EXPENSE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY A HUNDRED PERCENT OF.
UM, MY RECOMMENDATION, UM, I I DO NOT THINK THAT, I DO NOT THINK THAT A MILLION PLUS FOR THIS ROAD IS A GOOD IDEA.
I THINK THE ENGINEERS HAVE SAID THE SAME THING.
YOU WOULD BE BETTER OFF TO DO IT INTERNALLY AS A RURAL RUSTIC TYPE ROAD.
AND THAT'S WHERE I WOULD RECOMMEND, YOU KNOW, YOUR TARN CHIP, YOUR DOUBLE MODIFIED, UM, I'M NOT MAKING A MOTION ON THAT BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO FINISH THE OTHER SECTIONS FIRST AND THEN COME BACK TO THE BOARD AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE, UM, PUT IT ON A CAPITAL PLAN IN THE FUTURE, UM, FOR WORK.
SO, SO MADAM CHAIR, I JUST WANTED TO, TO CLARIFY.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, IS THAT, UH, ACCORDING TO VDOT, YOU KNOW, IF WE GET THE MONEY FROM THEM, THEN WE HAVE TO DO IT AT A CERTAIN LEVEL.
YOU'RE SAYING, OKAY, LET'S DON'T GET THE MONEY FROM VDOT, BUT WE CAN, INSTEAD OF DOING, YOU KNOW, THE WORK UP HERE, IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT LESS, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN AFFORD.
RIGHT? AND, AND THE VDOT, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU APPLY FOR THE FUNDING UP FRONT AND, AND I HAD MENTIONED TO MR. STAN MEYER, YOU KNOW, THE PROCESS IS YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATE, ESTIMATE UP FRONT WHEN YOU GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, THE PROCESS AND THE WHOLE GAME HAS CHANGED SUCH THAT I, IF I WAS TO DO ANOTHER REVENUE SHARING PROJECT, I WOULD RECOMMEND DOING PRELIMINARY PLANNING, WHETHER IT WAS A COUPLE THOUSAND DOLLARS FIRST TO REALLY SEE, YOU KNOW, OKAY, THIS IS THE NEW REQUIREMENT OF VDOT, THIS, THIS IS GOING TO NEED TO HAPPEN.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE WOULDN'T MAKE A MISTAKE AND SAY, OH NO, THERE'S ANOTHER HALF MILLION DOLLAR NEEDED FOR GUARDRAIL BECAUSE OF THE ELEVATION, AND WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH RIGHT OF WAY HERE TO, TO MEET VDOT STANDARDS BECAUSE VDOT IS GONNA KICK IT OUT.
NOW WE CAN, WE COULD, WE COULD DO IT.
VDOT WILL LET US PAY AS MUCH AS WE WANT.
IF WE WANNA PAY $10 MILLION FOR THIS ROAD, THEY'LL LET US, BUT THEY'RE ONLY GONNA GIVE US WHAT, WHAT'S APPROVED.
AND, AND WHAT THEY ORIGINALLY IMPROVED.
EVEN THOUGH COSTS HAVE INCREASED, RIGHT? YEAH.
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UM, A, A COUPLE THINGS.I'VE TALKED TO MIKE ABOUT THIS A LOT AND, AND ED TOO, AND ASKED SOME TOUGH QUESTIONS AND TRIED TO FIND WAYS TO MAKE THIS WORK WITH VDOT.
AND REALLY IT JUST DOESN'T WORK WITHOUT PUTTING A MASSIVE BURDEN ON THE SANITARY DISTRICT.
UM, AND, UH, WHAT THEY HAVE IN THEIR FUND IS MOSTLY ENCUMBERED ALREADY.
UH, AND ADDING THIS ON TOP OF IT, IT'S JUST NOT FEASIBLE.
UM, I ALSO WANNA SAY, I DON'T, I THINK MIKE HAS DONE A GOOD JOB HERE.
UH, A, UH, THERE WERE SOME CURVE BALLS THAT WERE UNFORESEEN AND THAT INCLUDES UTILITIES MOVING AND VDOT CHANGING THE TEAM AND, AND SO FORTH.
IT'S NOT LIKE THIS WAS DUE TO NEGLIGENCE.
UM, UH, AL AL ALSO, UH, RACI ENGINEERING COMING IN LATE LATER WITH REVISED UPDATES ON, ON WHAT NEEDED TO HAPPEN AFTER STARTING, YOU KNOW, TO DIG IN A LITTLE CHANGE, CHANGE THINGS.
UM, SO, UH, I THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT THING TO PASS THIS MOTION TO TAKE THESE TWO ROADS OFF OF BOT, UM, AND TO DO, TO, TO, UH, APPROVE, UH, SOME WORK BEGIN ON OLD OAK FIVE, AND THEN EVENTUALLY WE'LL TACKLE WESTERN LATER.
UH, LET'S, ONE, ONE STEP AT A TIME.
BUT, BUT, UM, I, I WOULD SAY, UM, THAT I'VE SOCIALIZED THIS WITH THE COMMUNITY DOWN THERE AND, UH, UH, UH, UH, TAKING THESE TWO ROWS OUT OF VDOT WITH THE, UH, CDO FARMS PROPERTY OWNERS, AND, UH, THEY DISCUSSED IT AMONGST THEMSELVES AND THEIR OWN BOARD AND CAME BACK WITH, UM, FULL THROATED SUPPORT.
SO I, I THINK THE, UM, I KNOW THAT'S NOT THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY DOWN THERE, BUT IT IS THE ORGANIZED PORTION OF IT.
UM, AND IT IS THE MAJORITY OF IT.
AND THEY WERE, UM, FULLY SUPPORTIVE.
I'VE GOTTEN A COUPLE EMAILS FROM OTHER CONSTITUENTS ASKING, HOW DID WE COME TO THESE IDEAS, UH, OF, YOU KNOW, TAKING OLD OAK FIVE OFF OF VDOT, UM, OR ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, RETAINING WALL AND, AND, AND WHY CAN'T YOU JUST MOVE THE STREAM? THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND, UH, UM, BUT I, I GAVE THEM A, IT'S A SERIOUS QUESTION.
I GAVE 'EM A SERIOUS ANSWER AND THEY HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING MORE.
SO I, I THINK THEY WERE SATISFIED.
IT'S JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT VIEWS OUT THERE ON WHAT THEY REALLY WANT.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN THINGS CHANGE, PEOPLE GET UPSET, YOU KNOW? BUT, UH, UH, I DO THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT ONE? ADDITIONAL UPDATES, UH, YOUNG'S DRIVE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY, OTHER THAN OLD OAK, IS THE OLDEST ROAD, THE ONE THERE THAT'S DOWN IN THE FLAT LAND.
UM, THE PLANS HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED TO VDOT FOR REVIEW.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, THERE THE ONLY QUESTIONS THERE WOULD BE, UM, IN THE CUL-DE-SAC AREA, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL, UM, YOU KNOW, FENCE IN, IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
BUT, YOU KNOW, ASKING THOSE QUESTIONS, PUTTING ON THE PLAN, WHAT WILL BE THAT ACCEPT, UM, AND THAT, AND I LEAVE THAT IN THE ENGINEER'S HANDS TO SUBMIT THAT PLAN AND THEN BRING IT BACK AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY CHANGES.
UM, LAKE DRIVE, I'M, I, I SPOKE WITH THE ENGINEERS TODAY.
I'M STILL WAITING FINAL REPORT AND, AND, AND FROM, YOU KNOW, MY INTERACTION WITH THE COMMUNITY OUT THERE, LAKE DRIVE IS THE ONE THAT THEY WANT DONE THE MOST.
UM, IT COST A LOT OF MAINTENANCE DOLLARS, BUT, AND SPEAKING WITH THE ENGINEERS THIS MORNING, THERE'S SIMILAR CONCERNS THERE WITH ELEVATIONS AND POTENTIAL GUARDRAIL.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE AS EXTENSIVE A COST AS, UM, UH, PHASE FIVE OF OLD OAK.
BUT I MEAN, I WOULD LEAN TOWARDS THIS NEEDING TO BE DONE IN-HOUSE AS WELL.
UM, AND I THINK IT WOULD SAVE THE COMMUNITY DOLLARS.
UM, WE'RE ALREADY MAINTAINING IT, SO IT WOULD JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD, IT, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS IF, IF IT INFLATES TO RETAINING WALLS, AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO GET THAT WAY AS WE AS ENGINEERS BEGIN TO LAY IT OUT.
I DIDN'T PUT THAT IN FOR CANCELLATION 'CAUSE I JUST HAD A UPDATE.
I PLAN TO MEET WITH THEM IN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO AND LOOK AT IT ON PAPER.
BUT I HAVE A FEELING THAT THIS IS GONNA BE JUST AS BAD.
HOW, HOW, HOW MUCH ENGINEER, HOW MUCH CONSULTING ENGINEERING FEES DOES IT TAKE TO, TO TIP IT
OH, WELL, I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY THEM TO MAKE A DECISION, BUT I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE IN, IN THIS SITUATION, I WANTED YOU TO SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS APPROVED, THE BOARD APPROVED BY THE BOARD, ANOTHER BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WENT OVER THESE PROJECTS AGAIN, BUT NOW WE ARE REQUIRED, WE CAN'T USE, IN OLD TIMES, WE HAD A STRAIGHT LINE DRAWING, WHICH WAS JUST POINT A, POINT B, THIS IS WHAT WE GOT.
NOW WE HAVE TO HAVE FULL PLAN SETS.
AND AS THEY LAY IT OUT, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, OKAY, WELL THIS DOESN'T LOOK GOOD.
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WE, AT THAT POINT, WHAT WE DO IS SAY, OKAY, WELL I WOULD LIKE, LIKE WITH PHASE FIVE, I WOULD LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE WHAT WE HAVE.AND YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT THE, UM, THE DRAINAGE FOR RURAL RUSTIC PROJECT, WHICH IS MUCH LESS EXPENSIVE, BUT I STILL KNOW THAT WE'VE DONE, WE'RE GONNA DO IT PROPERLY AND HAVE EYES ON IT.
AND SO THAT WE STILL, I MEAN, I, I FEEL LIKE IN THAT OLD OAK FIVE, I WOULD STILL WANT AN ENGINEER TO BACK ME ON THAT PROJECT.
SO I CAN SP I, I COULD SPEND WHAT, WHAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
WELL, IT'S ALMOST A RHETORICAL QUESTION, RIGHT? SO RIGHT NOW, YES, I, IF YOU WANT MY OPINION, I WOULD SAY CANCEL THIS PROJECT ALSO AND DO IT HOUSE.
SO YOU, BUT YOU WANNA BE BACKED BY AN ENGINEER.
DO YOU HAVE A STANDING AGREEMENT WITH A CONSULTING ENGINEER THAT, THAT DOES THIS PRETTY EFFICIENTLY? OR WOULD YOU JUST WE, WE HAVE NO, WE HAVE RACING ENGINEERING ON CONTRACT.
AND THEN THE, UM, THE FIRST PART OF THIS PROJECT, PONE ENGINEERING, WHO HAS BEEN ON CONTRACT WITH THE COUNTY AS WELL.
ALL, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST A GENERAL COMMENT THAT YOU, YOU PROBABLY CAN, UH, GET THE ASSESSMENT AND THE BACKING YOU NEED WITHOUT A FULL RIGHT.
UH, YOU KNOW, WELL, I MEAN, IF, IF I'M CONFIDENT THAT I'M GONNA HAVE ANOTHER LETTER FOR YOU, IF YOU DON'T WANT ME TO SPEND THE DOLLARS, YOU CAN ADD LAKE DRIVE TO THE INTERNAL LIST.
I THINK IT SHOULD BE DONE IN A SIMILAR MANNER.
I THINK IT CAN BE DONE INTERNALLY WITHIN THE, UM, THE PROJECT BUDGET THAT'S HERE AND, UM, $475,000.
UM, I BELIEVE IT CAN BE DONE FOR THAT.
NOW WHEN YOU SAY INTERNALLY, I MEAN HIRED GE WE USE GE EI.
WE WOULD, WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, OUR CONSULTANT IS RACY.
AND THEN OUR TEAM WOULD OVERSEE, WE JUST WOULDN'T HAVE TO MEET STATE STANDARDS, WETLAND STANDARDS.
I'M NOT GONNA HAVE TO BUY ENVIRONMENTAL CREDITS.
MY, I THINK MY ESTIMATE, AND I'D HAVE TO GO PULL IT FOR OLD OAK FIVE WAS ABOUT HALF A MILLION DOLLARS FOR ENVIRONMENTAL AND WETLANDS.
I JUST, JUST TO PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE LISTENING, NOT REALLY UNDERSTANDING WHY I WOULD BE DE BELABORING THE POINT.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT, UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WANT ENGINEERS TO BE ABLE TO, YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO LOOK BEHIND YOU AND SAY THAT'S THE BACKING I GOT.
I KNOW, AND I DON'T KNOW THIS CONTEXT, BUT I KNOW YOU POTENTIALLY, I MEAN, WE COULD SPEND $50,000 FOR AN ENGINEER TO TELL US IT'S NOT A COST FEASIBLE PROJECT.
UH, IF IT, WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS, IS I DON'T KNOW, EVEN IF YOU'RE TALKING FIVE OR 50 OR A HUNDRED THOUSAND IN CONSULTING FEES, I'M JUST GETTING AT, YOU HAVE A PROJECT THAT HAS CERTAIN QUALITIES AND CHARACTERISTICS AND IT HAS COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT IT'S NOT GONNA BE ECONOMICAL.
IF YOU HAVE ANOTHER ONE THAT SHEARS MANY TRAITS RIGHT? THEN, THEN I WOULD MAYBE ENCOURAGE YOU TO, TO, YOU KNOW, TALK TO RIGHT.
TO ADMINISTRATION AND, AND IF YOU NEED TO BRING IT TO US TO, TO, TO MAKE A DECISION WITHOUT SPENDING TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS FOR AN ENGINEER TO DO A BUNCH OF WORK THAT SAYS IT'S GONNA COST YOU 2 MILLION THIS WAY AND, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD DO IT FOR 4 75.
IT'S JUST AN OVER ANALYSIS TYPE POTENTIAL.
UM, SO THAT'S JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I, IN, IN IT'S, UH, IN THIS SITUATION, I MEAN, AGAIN, THAT'S WHY I THINK, YOU KNOW, KNOWING HOW MUCH WE'VE DONE, WHAT ROADS WE TAKE CARE OF, WHAT, WHAT VDO T'S EXPECTATION AND THE CHANGES THAT HAPPEN ARE VERY IMPORTANT.
UM, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE HAVE BEEN DECISIONS MADE OVER MULTIPLE YEARS.
UM, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU.
MY, MY DECISION RIGHT NOW I WOULD TELL YOU IS TO DO THIS ONE INTERNAL AS WELL.
NOW, IN SAYING THAT, I WOULD ALSO SAY LAST YEAR, VDOT UM, STARTED A PROGRAM WHERE THEY BEGAN TO GIVE ADDITIONAL FUNDING.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S, THERE IS A POTENTIAL TO GET SOME WITHOUT APPLICATION.
UM, BUT THAT, I DON'T KNOW FOR A FACT I'LL GET IT AND IF I'LL GET ENOUGH ON O OAK FOUR, I WAS GIVEN SOME FUNDS, IS IT WORTH, IS IT WORTH OVER ENGINEERING IN THE TIME? THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
THAT'S THE QUESTION, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND I THINK, UH, JOHN AND THE CONSTITUENTS IN THAT AREA PROBABLY COULD GIVE YOU SOME FEEDBACK ON THAT.
I THINK, AND I THINK THEY HAVE.
WOULD THIS HAVE TO GO THROUGH THREE BIDS TO, I MEAN, I KNOW GIS, G TWO, UM, G IS WHO WE CONTRACT FOR THINGS, BUT SINCE THIS IS OVER 50,000, WOULD YOU HAVE TO PUT IT OUT FOR THREE BIDS TO DO WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE DONE? UM, IF, IF YOU WANT TO DO IT AS A, A WHOLE PROJECT, THEY CAN BID IT OUT AS A TOTAL.
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I MEAN, IF YOU APPROVE WITH A NOT TO EXCEED USING MY CURRENT CONTRACTS, THEN YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO USE, YOU KNOW, GEI I'M GOING TO USE THE CONTRACT WE HAVE FOR ASPHALT.I'M GONNA PAY THE PRICE THAT WE HAVE SET UP WITH, UM, THE QUARRY.
BECAUSE I'M, I'M PAYING THE STONE AND I'M COLLECTING THE TICKETS.
I'M USING THE VENDORS THAT THAT PROCUREMENT HAS ACQUIRED.
AND THEN WE FOUND WE CAN DO IT, YOU KNOW, AT A CHEAPER RATE.
I JUST WAS QUESTIONING THAT RIGHT.
TO SEE HOW THAT'S GONNA RIGHT.
I MEAN, I MEAN THERE, THERE ARE ALWAYS DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.
JUST LIKE, I MEAN WE GOT A CURVE BALL WITH THESE BOX CULVERTS.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WE WENT BACK TO PROCUREMENT.
AND IS THAT YOUR LAST, I THINK THAT'S IT.
I DIDN'T WANNA JUMP THE GUN ON YOU THERE.
UM, I WAS JUST, I MEAN I HAD SOME, YOU KNOW, NUMBERS JUST THROWING UP THERE, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY.
AND JUST THE STUFF I TALKED ABOUT.
UM, OLD OAK FOUR, YOU KNOW, I'M, RIGHT NOW WE'RE ON BUDGET, YOU KNOW, THE LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT A PROJECT BUDGET, WE WERE LOOKING AT EIGHT 50 FOR THE FARMS. I THINK WE'RE GONNA COME IN UNDER THAT, UM, ON THE PORTION.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT OLD OAK FIVE 'CAUSE V THAT'S ASKING ME, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO? WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO? WHAT I NEED YOU GUYS TO MAKE THAT DECISION AND SAY YES, LET'S KILL IT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION ON THIS? UM, I MOVE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ELIMINATE OLD OAK FIVE AND WESTERN LANE TWO REVENUE SHARING PROJECTS AS THEY HAVE BEEN DEEMED NOT VIABLE AND ARE UNDERFUNDED PROJECTS.
I ALSO MOVE TO ALSO AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO SEND FORMAL NOTIFICATION OF CANCELLATION OF THESE PRODUCTS, PROJECTS TO VDOT.
IN ADDITION, I MOVED TO AUTHORIZE THE WARREN COUNTY PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT TO COMPLETE THE OLD OAK FIVE PROJECT INTERNALLY AND BUDGET NOT TO EXCEED $500,000 WITHOUT ADDITIONAL APPROVAL.
IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL NEW BUSINESS? HEARING NONE.
IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? MADAM? A CHAIR? SO MOVED.
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