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MY FIRST, OH, GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.
WELCOME TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WORK SESSION FOR JULY 9TH, 2024.
AND, UH, WE'LL GET TO THE AGENDA AS, UM, ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS TO THIS AGENDA? HEARING NONE.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE, THE AGENDA AS PRESENTED FOR THIS? SO MOVED.
[A. Discussion - Airport Rules and Regulations - Paul Kosubinsky, Mike Berry]
IS AIRPORT RULES AND REGULATIONS.UM, AND PAUL, I'M NOT EVEN GONNA TRY, I'LL MESS YOUR NAME UP.
GLAD TO HAVE YOU HERE THIS EVENING.
SO I'M GONNA TURN THIS OVER TO YOU TWO.
HAS EVERYBODY MET MR. KOSKI? I HAVE.
SO, UM, UH, HE'S GOING TO, UM, JUST GIVE YOU AN UPDATE WHERE WE ARE WITH THE AIRPORT RULES AND REGULATIONS.
I JUST WANNA SAY I'M VERY THANKFUL, UM, FOR THE COMMISSION AND, AND THEM JUMPING INTO THIS.
I KNOW WE'VE HAD ONE MEETING AND, AND I, I'M JUST GONNA LET PAUL TAKE OFF FROM HERE AND I'LL BE HERE TO ANSWER ANYTHING THAT I CAN OR HELP HIM IF NEEDED.
SO, AS EVERYBODY, OR MAYBE NOT EVERYBODY IS AWARE, THE, UH, THE DOCUMENT THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON IS A FAIRLY OLD DOCUMENT.
THE RULES AND REGULATIONS, UM, NEEDED A LITTLE BIT OF UPDATING, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO DO AS A COMMISSION.
UH, SO OVER THE COURSE OF ABOUT THE LAST 12 MONTHS, BUT IN EARNEST PROBABLY THE LAST SIX MONTHS, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON, UH, UPDATING, UH, THE RULES AND REGS, THE PRODUCT THAT WE HAVE, UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH MIKE AND WORKING WITH ED THAT WE HAVE PRESENTED IS NOT A FINAL, IT'S A FINAL DRAFT THAT WE AS A COMMISSION FEEL THAT WE'VE GOTTEN TO ABOUT AS FAR AS WE CAN GO WITHOUT ANY MORE INPUT FROM THE COUNTY.
UM, THERE HAD BEEN A REQUEST AND A, A VERY GOOD REQUEST TO TRACK ALL THE CHANGES THAT WERE DUE TO THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENT.
AND I THINK THE LAST ORIGINAL DOCUMENT THAT WE HAD THAT WAS UPDATED WAS UPDATED IN BACK IN 2019.
SO THE PROCESS WE WENT THROUGH, UH, WE FORMED A SUBCOMMITTEE, ERIC VAN WEEN DOCK, ONE OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS, UM, WAS THE HEAD OF THAT COMMITTEE.
HE SOLICITED THROUGH A FEW OF THE MEETINGS, THE, UH, AIRPORT COMMISSION MEETINGS FOR A SUBCOMMITTEE, PARTICIPANTS, USERS, AND PEOPLE THAT WERE FAMILIAR WITH, UH, THE AIRPORT TO HELP OUT WITH THIS.
SO HE HAD A COMMITTEE OF, UH, HIMSELF AND THREE OTHERS.
THEY WERE WORKING ON THE DOCUMENT REPORTING BACK TO ME.
UM, ONCE THEY FELT THAT THEY GOT IT AS FAR AS THEY COULD, UH, UH, UH, ADVANCED THE DOCUMENT, THEY PRESENTED IT TO ME AND I WORKED WITH JOHN BURT, ANOTHER COMMISSION MEMBER, JUST TO CLEAN IT UP A LITTLE BIT AND MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE REFERENCES THAT THEY HAD USED IN THE DOCUMENT WERE CURRENT TO THE FAA REGULATIONS AT THIS TIME.
UH, ONCE WE GOT TO THAT POINT, THEN WE PRESENTED IT TO MIKE.
MIKE BROUGHT IT UP TO, UM, JAY AND ED, AND WE HAD AN INFORMAL MEETING JUST KIND OF DISCUSSING.
I, I, UH, ASKED FOR THE MEETING TO KIND OF DESCRIBE WHERE WE'RE AT, WHY WE MADE SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT WE MADE TO GIVE THE WHY BEHIND IT, NOT JUST SAY, HERE IT IS, AND KIND OF FIGURE IT OUT ON YOUR OWN.
SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW.
WE FELT AS A COMMISSION, THIS IS ABOUT AS FAR AS WE COULD TAKE THIS DOCUMENT WITHOUT HAVING THE GIVE AND TAKE WITH THE COUNTY AS FAR AS HOW THE COUNTY SEES SOME OF THESE CHANGES.
SO, UM, IF YOU JUST REFERENCED THE DOCUMENT, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THE TRACK CHANGES ARE, UH, PRIMARILY JUST IN RED.
UM, WE, WE TOOK THE SOURCE DOCUMENT, WHICH WAS THE EXISTING ONE, AND MADE CHANGES TO UPDATE IT TO WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE AIRFIELD RIGHT NOW.
UM, INSTEAD OF GOING LINE BY LINE, IF YOU WOULD CARE FOR ME TO DO THAT, THE DOCUMENT ITSELF IS A FAIRLY LENGTHY DOCUMENT, ABOUT 46 PAGES.
UM, WHAT WE COULD DO IS I COULD ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, UM, THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE IN SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, UH, TO SOME OF THE CHANGES OF THE WHYS.
UM, I DID GET, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF BRIEFING ON SOME OF THE QUESTIONS.
SO I DO HAVE HOPEFULLY, ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS.
BUT IN GENERAL, IF, UH, ANYONE ON THE SUPERVISORS WANT TO ASK QUESTIONS REGARDING THAT, UH, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT OR I THOUGHT WOULD BE THE BEST WAY TO CONDUCT THIS.
QUESTIONS? UM, AT THIS TIME, I HAVE, UH, SOME QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS.
SO I READ THE DOCUMENT THAT WAS, UM, DELIVERED TO US
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ALL PAGES EXCEPT FOR THE APPENDS.SO THE FIRST THING I WANNA, UM, POINT OUT THAT WHEN I WAS READING THROUGH THE DOCUMENT AND UNDERSTANDING THIS DOCUMENT DATES BACK TO TWO COUNTING SILENT FALCON THREE FBOS AGO.
UM, AND THAT I'M SURE THERE MIGHT BE SOME TWEAKING TO THE LANGUAGE THAT NEEDS TO BE, UM, REQUIRED.
SO THE FIRST POINT I WANNA MAKE IS THAT THE AIRPORT IS A COUNTY PROPERTY BELONGS TO THE COUNTY.
AND SO THERE'S OTHER, IN MY OPINION, SOME LIABILITIES THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT ARE ADDRESSED, UM, WITH THE ACTIVITIES THAT GO ON AT THE AIRPORT.
SO, TO BEGIN WITH, WHEN I WAS READING THROUGH THE, THE DOCUMENT, A LOT OF THE LANGUAGE IMPLIES THAT THE AIRPORT COMMISSION HAS A LOT OF AUTHORITY AND DECISION MAKING WITHOUT, AND IT, IT COULD JUST BE TWEAKING OF LANGUAGE, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT ANY RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, TO THE COUNTY STAFF.
UM, IF YOU READ THE ORDINANCE FOR THE, UM, UH, AIRPORT COMMISSION, THE, THE, THE, THE ROLE OF THE, OR AIRPORT COMMISSION IS TO, UM, UH, THEY, THEY ARE AN ADVISORY GROUP TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
THEY MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO HOW THE AIRPORT IS RUN SAFELY AND, AND HOW THE BUSINESS IS RUN AND ET CETERA.
AND SO WHEN I WENT, YOU KNOW, WHEN I READ THROUGH THIS, THERE'S JUST A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, UM, INFERENCES THAT THE COMMISSION HAD DECISIONS ON, ON CERTAIN THINGS.
SO, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, THEY, WHEN I READ ABOUT THE FUEL, YOU KNOW, THAT THE, UH, YOU, THAT THE AIRPORT, UH, IF THE AIRPORT DECIDES THAT THEY WANNA HAVE A THIRD PARTY FUEL, FUEL, UM, UM, BUSINESS, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, RIGHT? IT, AND THAT IS AT THE APPROVAL OF THE COMMISSION.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IT REALLY, NUMBER ONE FUELING HAS KIND OF CHANGED SINCE THE THREE FBOS AGO FOR NOW, THE COUNTY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE OPERATIONS AND ACTIVITIES FOR THE FUEL.
SO I WOULD RECOMMEND TO RE-LOOK AT THAT LANGUAGE.
UM, AND I WAS TRYING TO FIND THAT LANGUAGE, YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY, DO YOU HAVE THE SECTION NUMBER? BECAUSE I COULDN'T FIND IT.
BUT AFTER THIS MEETING, I'LL SEND YOU MY DOCUMENT.
I HAVE NOTES TO EVERY PROVISION, EVERY SENTENCE, EVERYTHING.
SO YOU'LL SEE, SO EVERYTHING THAT I'M SAYING RIGHT NOW, YOU'LL FIND IT IN THE DOCUMENT WITH MY COMMENTS.
SO, SO THERE'S THAT COULD, COULD, COULD I JUST MAKE A A REAL QUICK COMMENT? I KNOW THAT WHEN I SAT DOWN WITH, WITH PAUL AND MIKE AND, AND ED, THAT, UH, THE WAY THAT IT CAME ACROSS TO ME IS THAT THE AIRPORT COMMISSION IS A, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY ARE AN ADVISORY COMMISSION.
THEY ALSO SERVE AS A, AS A CLEARINGHOUSE AND, UH, AND AS A FILTER.
SO THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY COMES UP TO THEM WITH, UH, WITH SOME IDEA AND THEY LOOK AT IT AND WE GO, WELL, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD NOT SUPPORT.
IT KIND OF KEEPS THINGS LIKE THAT FROM COMING TO THE BOARD.
THAT'S WHY I SAID THERE'S SOME TWEAKING IN THE LANGUAGE THAT I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE REQUIRED.
BECAUSE WHEN I READ IT, IT HAD A LOT OF IMP IT IMPLIED THAT THEY HAD UNILATERAL DECISIONS.
OKAY? AND ALSO, IF, YOU KNOW, AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM, IF YOU WANNA, IF THE COUNTY DECIDES THEY WANT TO EXPAND THE AUTHORITY OF THE AIRPORT COMMISSION, I RECOMMEND IT GOES BACK TO OUR ORDINANCE AND THEN, AND, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE.
YOU KNOW, SO, UM, SO THERE, THERE'S THAT.
UM, ANOTHER THING, AND THESE ARE JUST, AND I WON'T GO THROUGH ALL OF THEM FOR THE SAKE OF TIME, RIGHT? BUT THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT, UM, TO ME WERE, UM, RE UM, THAT WERE CONCERNED.
THESE ARE MY OBSERVATIONS, WHAT I READ OUTSIDE.
THAT WAS, AND THAT WAS MY OBSERVATION.
I THINK THAT HE WAS FOCUSING MORE ON THE CHANGES TONIGHT THAT HAVE BEEN MADE, AND THEY HAVE SUGGESTIONS.
AND I BELIEVE THAT IN, IN ONE OF HIS MOST RECENT QUESTIONS WAS JUST HAVING A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE BODY.
AND I THINK THAT'LL GO RIGHT TO YOUR POINTS AND IT'LL MAKE IT A LOT EASIER TO TIE IT ALL TOGETHER.
RIGHT? SO ANOTHER THING THAT I, I BELIEVE WE CHANGED THE INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS WHERE I GUESS I THINK WHAT IT SAID 5 MILLION AND I THINK WE REDUCED IT TO 1 MILLION.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NEEDS, YOU KNOW, TO, TO BE FIXED.
UH, UH, ACTUALLY, AND SO I, I, I GAVE THIS BRIEFING TO MIKE, JAY AND ED, THE REASON WHY, WHEN I CAME TO, WE WEREN'T SURE WHERE THAT $5 MILLION CAME FROM.
AND WE THOUGHT MAYBE THERE WAS A, A PERIOD IN TIME WHERE WE HAD SOME, UM, BUSINESS ENTITIES OPERATING OUT AT THE AIRPORT THAT WE WEREN'T REALLY
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KEEN ON.AND I THOUGHT, WELL, MAYBE THIS HIGH NUMBER, THIS $5 MILLION NUMBERS WAS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT SITUATION.
IT WAS IN PREVIOUS DOCUMENTS THAT WE RESEARCHED BACK TO 2019 AND PRIOR TO THESE, UH, OPERATIONS GOING ON.
SO I REACHED OUT TO IVECO, TO CLEMENS AVIATION, TO THREE DIFFERENT AVIATION PROVIDERS, AVIATION INSURANCE PROVIDERS THAT PROVIDE CFI INSURANCE.
NONE OF THEM PROVIDE $5 MILLION WORTH OF INSURANCE.
SO I SAID, WHAT'S THE STANDARD? AND THAT IS WHAT I INCLUDED IN THIS DOCUMENT.
THAT IS, WHAT IF I CALLED TODAY AND ASKED FOR $5 MILLION? I CAN'T GET IT.
THERE'S NO WAY YOU CAN GET IT.
SO WHAT DO I GET? AND THAT'S WHAT YOU CAN GET FROM ALL THE AVIATION INSURANCE COMPANIES, RIGHT? IS WHAT WE PUT IN THERE.
UNDERSTAND? I I WAS PART OF THAT.
SO, BUT IF YOU GO THROUGH THE DOCUMENT, IT STILL STATES 5 MILLION, NOT THE 1 MILLION.
THAT'S ALL THE POINT THAT I WAS TRYING TO GET ACROSS.
AND THEN, UM, AND THIS IS JUST THE LAST COMMENT THAT WE'LL JUST MOVE ON 'CAUSE I'LL SUBMIT ALL MY COMMENTS TO YOU, YOU KNOW, JUST THROUGH THE SAKE OF TIME.
BUT I SAW THAT, THAT THERE WAS, UM, A SECTION IN THERE THAT REDUCED THE INSURANCE LIABILITY FOR, UM, UH, INDEPENDENT FLIGHT INSTRUCTORS, CORRECT? IT, WHERE IT WAS LIKE 500,000 AND IT WAS REDUCED TO 50,000 OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.
BUT ANY EVENT, MY QUESTION IS, IS HAS THAT BEEN CLEARED THROUGH THE, TO THE COUNTY? IT'S BEEN BRIEFED TO THE COUNTY.
NOTHING'S BEEN CLEARED BECAUSE NOTHING HAS SET.
UM, AND AGAIN, THE REASON WHY IS WE WENT WITH, THERE WAS THREE TIERS TO THAT.
AND AGAIN, THAT WAS THE AVERAGE OR MEAN TIER.
AND THERE WAS A QUESTION AS FAR AS, WELL, WHY DID WE APPLY THIS TO SAY JUST THE FLIGHT INSTRUCTORS OR FLIGHT INSTRUCTION IN GENERAL AND NOT SAY THE MAINTENANCE PEOPLE? WELL, UH, I'M JUST LISTENING TO THE CONSTITUENTS AT THE AIRPORT.
THE MAINTENANCE FOLKS HAVE NOT COME TO ME AND SAID, HEY, THAT THAT INSURANCE THAT WE HAVE, THAT REQUIREMENT OF $5 MILLION IS ONEROUS.
SO FROM WHAT I'M GATHERING FROM THE PEOPLE THAT PERFORM MAINTENANCE THERE, THAT IS THE STANDARD FOR THEM SINCE THEY'RE NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT IT.
WHEREAS THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING THE FLIGHT SCHOOLS HAVE COME TO US AND SAID, LISTEN, WE CAN'T GET WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE IN YOUR RULES AND REGS.
WHAT, HOW CAN WE FIX THAT? AND THAT LED TO HOW OR WHY WE MODIFIED IT THE WAY WE DID RIGHT.
SO, SO THE, SO JUST FOR THE SAKE, FOR, FOR ME ANYWAY, IS THAT THIS DOCUMENT IS TOTALLY DRAFT.
IT HAS NOT BEEN COORDINATED THROUGH THE COUNTY TO REVIEW THESE REGULATIONS AND THE CHANGES IN INSURANCE PREMIUMS. AND IT HAS NOT GONE THROUGH LEGAL AS WELL.
WELL, THAT'S BETTER ON YOUR PART.
I HAVE BROUGHT THIS DOCUMENT AS, LIKE I SAID, AS FAR AS THE COMMISSION CAN GO, BECAUSE WE DON'T UNDERSTAND OR KNOW ALL THE, THE RAMIFICATIONS THAT THE COUNTY HAS TO DEAL WITH.
AND IT'S BEING PRESENTED TO MY HIRES, THE CHAIN OF COMMAND.
I GO FROM ME TO MIKE, MIKE GOES TO JAY, JAY GOES TO ED, THAT'S MY, MY CHANNEL.
SO WHEN, SO WHEN THE, UM, REGULATIONS DOCUMENT IS FINALLY IN A FINAL DRAFT BEFORE IT COMES BACK TO THE BOARD FOR ANY APPROVAL, IT WILL HAVE GONE THROUGH ALL OF THE PEER REVIEW OF THE COUNTY AND THE ATTORNEYS AND, YOU KNOW, FINANCE AND EVERYONE WHO HAS A PIECE OF THIS.
AND YOU'LL SEE, AND, AND, AND YOU'LL SEE ALL MY NOTES.
DALEY TO ANSWER THAN, THAN, UM, MR. KOSKI.
SO THIS HAS BEEN AROUND THE HORN FOR ALMOST FIVE YEARS NOW, MA'AM.
AND SO WE'RE REALLY AT THE POINT WHERE WHATEVER CHANGES THE BOARD MEMBERS WANNA MAKE, THEY SHOULD MAKE.
AND TO MAKE THIS LOOK HOWEVER YOU WOULD LIKE IT, IT HAS, UH, MIKE STARTED WITH IT.
THE COMMISSION LOOKED AT IT IN 2020, AND IT CAME BACK IN PROBABLY 22.
IT WAS OFF FOR A YEAR IN THERE, I THINK.
AND THEN IT WAS BACK LAST YEAR.
AND WE'RE READY FOR, FOR WHATEVER THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE IN THIS, FOR THE BOARD TO GO AHEAD AND DO, TO MAKE IT THE DOCUMENT THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO OWN.
SO WE NEED TO MAKE CHANGES AND RECOMMENDATIONS, AND THEN IT WILL GO TO LEGAL TO MAKE SURE, UM, LEGAL, LEGAL HAS IT LEGAL IS NOT FINISHED WITH IT, BUT THE CHANGES THAT YOU WANT, IF YOU GIVE THEM TO MIKE, YOU'LL PUT THEM IN AND MAKE, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT ZACH GETS 'EM TO JASON AND YOU CAN PUT THE DOCUMENT HOWEVER YOU'D LIKE IT.
UH, BUT IT'S, IT'S TIME TO PUT YOUR CHANGES IN
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THERE.UH, THE SENDING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION, THE COMMISSION'S ALREADY BEEN AROUND THROUGH IT THREE, FOUR TIMES NOW.
SO THE INSURANCE QUESTIONS MRS. COOK IS BRINGING UP, UM, THOSE GO TO JASON, THOSE GO TO JASON AND I'M HAS, UM, UM, FINANCE WITH THE PROCUREMENT PROCESSES THAT PART OF THEIR, OR THESE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE AMOUNT OF INSURANCE COVERAGE WE WANT.
AND THEN IT GOES FROM THERE OUT TO, TO MEET THE POLICY, UH, THE RULES AND REGULATIONS.
WELL, ANY, ANYBODY CAN DEFINITELY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON WHAT THEY'D LIKE THE INSURANCE TO BE.
UH, JASON WAS LOOKING AT IT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE, WHAT DOES THE STATE REQUIRE AND WHAT IS AVAILABLE THROUGH OUR POLICIES? AND THEN THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT WAS THE QUESTION, WHAT IS REALISTIC FOR SOMEBODY TO BE ABLE TO OBTAIN? REMEMBER WE HAD SOME NUMBERS A COUPLE YEARS AGO THAT PEOPLE SIMPLY COULD NOT OBTAIN THAT INSURANCE.
BUT ANY OF THESE NUMBERS AND THAT YOU CAN CHANGE AND HOWEVER YOU'D LIKE, WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE A AVAIL THAT THAT INSURANCE IS AVAILABLE.
IF YOU CAN'T COST GET $5 MILLION POLICY, IT'S FOOLISH TO HAVE IT MARKED AS 5 MILLION.
AND, AND MAY I, UM, REQUEST THOUGH THAT NOT ONLY DOES THIS GO THROUGH THE LEGAL PART, BUT IT ALSO GOES THROUGH OUR DEPARTMENTS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, UM, THERE'S, THERE'S A TA AN APPENDIX OF ALL THESE APPLICATIONS, AN APPLICATION, YOU KNOW, FOR AN EVENT AND APP, YOU KNOW, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THOSE APPLICATIONS ARE IN LINE WITH OUR COUNTY DOCUMENTATION, RIGHT? BECAUSE IF, IF SOMEONE COMES IN AND READS THE REGULATIONS AND SAYS, OH, ALL I NEED IS TO DO X, Y, Z, AND THEN THEY COME TO THE COUNTY AND THEY WANNA GET A BUSINESS LICENSE, THEY WANNA GET A PERMIT, THEY WANT THIS, THEN IT'S GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA GO, WELL WAIT A MINUTE.
THAT'S NOT WHAT THE REGULATIONS SAID.
AND I GO AND, AND TO GO BACK TO MY ORIGINAL POINT IS THE COUNT THAT THE AIRPORT BELONGS TO THE COUNTY.
AND SO THEY'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE COUNTY PROCESSES AND, YOU KNOW, LAWS AND RULES THAT THEY NEED TO FOLLOW.
SO I WOULD, YOU KNOW, WOULD LIKE TO HAVE OUR PLANNING PEOPLE TAKE A LOOK AT IT, OUR FINANCE PEOPLE, BECAUSE THEY, UM, THERE'S A SECTION IN THERE FOR BUSINESSES, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS REQUIRED FOR A BUSINESS TO WORK OUT OF THE AIRPORT.
WELL, THEY REMOVED, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME OF THE STUFF.
WELL, MY QUESTION THAT CAME TO MY MIND WAS, WELL, IS THAT STILL A REQUIREMENT FOR GETTING THE BUSINESS LICENSE FOR THE COUNTY? SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S AN ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE DOCU, UM, THIS REGULATION DOCUMENT IS, AND THAT IT, IT ALIGNS WITH OUR COUNTY POLICIES.
AND IF THERE NEEDS TO BE TWEAKED, THEN THEY NEED TO BE TWEAKED, YOU KNOW, THEN THAT'S UP FOR THE DISCUSSION.
BUT, UM, I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT, UM, THAT IT, IT, IT ALIGNS BECAUSE THAT JUST WILL SAVE A LOT OF HEARTACHE ON OUR PLANNING PEOPLE, OUR FINANCE PEOPLE.
WHEN SOMEONE WANTS TO DO SOMETHING AND THEY GO, WAIT A MINUTE, THIS DOCUMENT SAYS THIS, THAT, THIS, YOU'RE ASKING ME TO DO THAT? SO I JUST WOULD WOULD HOPE THAT, THAT THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE, THE PEER REVIEW.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT BOARD MEMBERS? I'VE A COUPLE QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS.
AND FIRST OF ALL, I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT GETTING YOU MY QUESTIONS IN ADVANCE.
UH, I DO WANNA COMMEND THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE AND THE ITERATIONS.
I DID READ THROUGH IT AS WELL AND WAS GENERALLY, UH, PLEASED WITH THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE.
UM, I, UH, HAD A FEW QUESTIONS FOR CLARIFICATION, AND SOME OF THIS WILL JUST PROBABLY REFLECT MY OWN IGNORANCE OF, OF THE SITUATION THERE.
BUT FOR EXAMPLE, ON THE, UM, BOTTOM OF PAGE 13, UM, IT MENTIONS THERE ARE CURRENTLY NO PARACHUTE LANDING SITES ON THE A A LP OF THE AIRPORT AREA LAYOUT PLANT.
SO I'M TRYING TO SQUARE THAT WITH THE FACT THAT WE DO HAVE A PARACHUTE OPERATOR ON THE PREMISES THAT DOES, UH, MULTIPLE, YOU KNOW, UH, TOURIST PARACHUTE OPERATIONS.
SO THAT'S A GREAT, UH, AND IT'S A GREAT QUESTION BECAUSE I HAD THE VERY SAME QUESTION.
AND WE, WE GOT CLARIFICATION ON THIS DURING, UH, OVER THE LAST YEAR WHEN PARACHUTE OPERATIONS BECAME A BIG THING.
WE HAVE DESIGNATED LANDING SPOTS.
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THE A LP, WHICH WAS NOT RECOMMENDED BY THE PARTIES.UH, THE GOVERNMENTAL AGENCIES THAT WE DISCUSSED WITH A YEAR AGO, THEY SAID, DON'T PUT IT ON THE A LP 'CAUSE THEN IT LOCKS YOU INTO THAT.
IF IT IS AN APPROVED LANDING SITE AND ALL PARTIES AGREE, THERE IS NO BENEFIT TO PUTTING IT ON THE A LP, BUT ONE IS IT, ONCE IT IS PUT ON THE A LP, THAT'S IT.
UM, MY NEXT QUESTION, UM, UM, PAGE 14 TALKS BRIEFLY ABOUT SOME HOBBY TYPE USES, INCLUDING MODEL AIRCRAFT, WHICH I PRESUME ARE LIKE THE LARGER ONES.
UM, AND THEN RIGHT AFTER THAT THERE'S A SECTION ON, ON UAS, UH, DRONES.
UM, MY QUESTION IS THAT TO ME, IT SOUNDED LIKE THE DEFINITE, THE DEFINITION OF A UAS WOULD ALSO INCLUDE BASICALLY MODEL AIRCRAFT AS WELL QUITE OFTEN.
AND SO I'M WONDERING IF SOMEONE WANTED TO BE WEASLEY, COULD THEY SAY THIS ISN'T A DRONE, IT'S A MODEL AIRCRAFT, AND THEN THEY'D BE UNDER EASIER RESTRICTIONS? ANOTHER GREAT QUESTION.
SO UAS ARE FORMALLY DESIGNATED AIRCRAFT.
SO IF YOU BUY, WHAT, LET'S JUST SAY A DRONE MM-HMM.
SO TO OPERATE THAT YOU HAVE TO FALL UNDER FAR PART 1 0 7.
SO THERE IS NO WAY TO SAY BUY A HOBBY LOBBY, UH, RC AIRCRAFT MM-HMM.
AND SECTION 13 WAS ADDED INTO THIS DOCUMENT.
AND WHERE WE GOT THIS INFORMATION IS STRAIGHT OUT OF THE FAR AS NOT AN AC, NOT A, AN ADVISORY CIRCULAR THAT KIND OF SAYS, HEY, IF YOU'RE DOING THIS, THIS IS WHAT YOU SHOULD DO.
WHAT WE WENT TO IS THE ACTUAL REGULATION SAYS THAT THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE PUT INTO THIS DOCUMENT.
AND THEN MY LAST ONE IS A GENERAL POINT, AND I'LL GIVE IT A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE.
IN GENERAL, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT, UH, YOUR TEAM DO A, A ONE TIME PASS THROUGH JUST USING SEARCH AND FIND EVERY CASE OF SHALL OR MAY, AND MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE RIGHT VERB.
UH, BECAUSE I THINK THERE WERE CASES WHERE THERE WAS SHALL, WHICH WOULD IMPLY THAT SOMETHING MUST BE OFFERED.
AND FOR EXAMPLE, IT WAS TALKING ABOUT LINE SERVICES ON PAGE 20, AND THERE WAS A SHALL ABOUT, UH, WASHING AND WAXING.
AND IN MY MIND, I'M LIKE, ARE WE REALLY GOING TO PRECLUDE, UH, A BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, FROM DOING OTHER LINE SERVICES IF THEY DON'T OFFER WASHING AND WAXING? UM, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
UH, SO JUST CHECKING ALL THE SHALLS VERSUS MAZE, THEY COULD CUT BOTH WAYS.
UM, AND, UH, THE OTHER THING I NOTICED ABOUT LINE SERVICES, AND I KNOW RIGHT NOW THE COUNTY'S DOING FUEL AND THAT'S THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE.
UM, BUT IT DID MENTION SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.
AND, AND I'M WONDERING IF WE WOULD WANNA BOX THAT IN.
SO STRINGENTLY, WE MAY AT ONE POINT WANT SOMEONE TO DO LINE SERVICES OR CERTAIN LINE SERVICES FIVE DAYS A WEEK OR, OR ON CERTAIN DAYS.
I, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT SUGGESTION.
I'M NOT, UH, I'M LOOKING FOR IT HERE.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S ALL ON PAGE 20, BUT JUST, UH, IN GENERAL, THE SHELL VERSUS MAY, AND THEN WHAT ARE THE CRITERIA FOR LINE SERVICES THAT ARE REQUIRED VERSUS OPTIONAL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT? OH, UH, JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING, WHAT'S THE, WHAT WAS THE IMPETUS BEHIND REMOVING SOME OF THE, UH, FINANCIAL AND BACKGROUND INFORMATION? YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
INFORMATION BEHIND PEOPLE WHO WANNA RUN THE BUSINESS THERE.
UM, WITH THE SUPPORTING DOCUMENT, YOU KNOW, ESTABLISHING A NEW BUSINESS, IT WAS MORE OF A QUESTION THAT WE WERE TALKING AMONGST EVERYBODY AROUND THAT WE HAD SEVERAL NEW BUSINESSES THAT HAD ESSENTIALLY YOUNG ADULTS STARTING THEM.
UH, OUR FLIGHT SCHOOL WAS STARTED BY A YOUNG MAN WHO'S 26 YEARS OLD, WHO, WHO JUST GOT OUTTA COLLEGE, GOT OUTTA THE MILITARY, THEN WENT INTO THE SERVICE, FINISHED UP HIS SERVICE, AND HE HAD NO CREDIT.
HE HAD NO PRIOR THREE YEARS OF BUSINESS REFERENCES IN THIS BUSINESS.
AND WE DIDN'T S SEE HOW THAT WOULD AFFECT OUR DECISION TO JUST MAKE AN A, HEY, YOU NEED TO DO THIS, BUT WE'RE NOT EVEN GONNA CONSIDER IT BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND YOU'RE A BRAND NEW BUSINESS AND DON'T HAVE REFERENCES AND YOU DON'T HAVE BUSINESS CREDIT ESTABLISH YET.
THEN WHY ARE WE HAVING THEM JUMP THROUGH THE HOOP IF WE'RE NOT GONNA CONSIDER THAT IN THE, UH, THE BUSINESS APPLICATION AND INTERVIEW? UM, SO THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T CONSIDER IT.
OR WERE WE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, FIND A A 40-YEAR-OLD BUSINESS THAT FAILED AT HIS PREVIOUS AND DENIED THEM A VERY GOOD BUSINESS PLAN THAT THEY SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TERRIBLE CREDIT
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BECAUSE OUR LAST BUSINESS, WE WENT BANKRUPT.BUT THIS IS WHAT WE'VE LEARNED FROM THAT EXPERIENCE.
THIS IS HOW WE'VE MITIGATED THE RISK FOR US TO FAIL AGAIN.
SO WE'RE GONNA DENY THEM A BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY HERE TO ENHANCE OUR AIRPORT BECAUSE OF THEIR PAST FAILURES.
WE DIDN'T, WEREN'T SURE IF THAT WAS THE BEST WAY TO QC OR, OR SIT OUT THE GOOD AND THE BAD.
SO THAT'S WHY WE THOUGHT, WHY WERE WE PUTTING ON AN ONEROUS REQUIREMENT IF IT MAY OR MAY NOT AFFECT THE, THE DECISION.
I DO, I DO UNDERSTAND YOUR ANSWER.
UM, WHAT I WOULD, MY INCLINATION IS TO RECOMMEND THAT, UM, BECAUSE, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE IDENTIFIED, UM, AN INSTANCE OR MORE OF THAT IT WOULDN'T APPLY, UH, MAYBE ISN'T A REASON TO REMOVE THEM, BUT TO HAVE A BACK DOOR OR AN ESCAPE CLAUSE THAT LEAVES IT, YOU KNOW, UP FOR VALUATION.
'CAUSE I MEAN, SOME OF THE BEST BUSINESSES ARE FORMED BY PEOPLE WHO FAILED IN THEIR PREVIOUS BUSINESS.
BUT, UH, THE IDEA OF, OF, UH, SO YOU, YOU, BY REMOVING THEM ENTIRELY, YOU MEAN NEVER KNOW.
UM, AND THEN THERE ARE OTHER, OTHER TYPES OF PEOPLE WHO GO AROUND INTENDING TO, TO, UM, YOU KNOW,
UM, SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY, THE INTENTION IS TO AVOID THAT GET STABLE PEOPLE WITHOUT EXCLUDING THE, THE STARTUP, THE, THE EXCEPTIONS.
AND, AND THAT, AND THAT GOES WITH THE, THE ROLE THAT THE AIRPORT COMMISSION HAS.
THEY MAKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS TO US.
THEY, THEY WOULD LOOK AT THIS AND, AND INTERVIEW 'EM AND, AND SAY, WELL, WE WANNA GIVE THEM AS THIS OPPORTUNITY.
SO IF THEY CAME TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY WOULD SAY, HEY, THESE ARE GOOD PEOPLE.
WE, WE WANNA GIVE 'EM A CHANCE.
YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN JUST DELETING THE WHOLE REQUIREMENT ITSELF.
I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S YOUR ROLE WITH THE BUSINESSES OUT IN THE AIRPORT.
YOU KNOW, SO, BUT JUST TO COMPLETELY DELETE IT, IT'S KIND OF, IF THERE'S A WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, LEGAL OR WHOEVER CAN, CAN CRAFT THAT, WE'RE, WE'RE ABSOLUTELY FINE WITH THAT.
WE ARE JUST, THAT WAS THE QUANDARY WE HAD.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, AT THE DISCRETION, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES TO BUSINESSES ON THE AIRPORT, YOU KNOW, JUST AT THE DISCRETION OF THE AIRPORT COMMISSION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, OR SELECTION.
'CAUSE YOU DID HAVE A CLAUSE IN THERE SAYING THAT, UM, IF ANY BUSINESS, UH, THAT WHAT WAS DENIED, THEY HAD AN APPEAL PROCESS TO COME TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
THAT'S ALSO IN THE DOCUMENT AS WELL, YOU KNOW, FOR PROTECTION, FOR, FOR THOSE TYPE OF, UM, SITUATIONS.
AND WHILE WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS, AND THIS MIGHT BE JUST FOR MORE OF MY CLARIFICATION, THAT IS HOW THE COMMISSION SEES ITS ROLE TO THE COUNTY, IS WE'RE TRYING TO ONLY PRESENT TO YOU GUYS QUALITY STUFF THAT US BEING THE FIRST STOP, YOU KNOW, UM, AS FAR AS THE ABILITY TO APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE STUFF, WHEN PEOPLE COME TO US WITH PLANS, WE AS A COMMISSION WANT TO BE ABLE TO RECOMMEND TO MIKE, HEY, MIKE, THIS GROUP CAME.
WE THINK IT'S A VIABLE BUSINESS PLAN.
WE THINK THEY WOULD ADD VALUE TO THE COUNTY.
WE'RE RECOMMENDING IT, AND THEN PUTTING IT TO HIM AND LETTING HIM RUN IT UP.
I THINK SECTION FOUR, UH, OF THE REVISED DOCUMENT REALLY KIND OF OUTLINES THAT, THAT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO SEIZE CONTROL AND MAKE DECISIONS WE'RE, IT, IT EXPRESSLY SAYS THE COMMISSION IS THERE SIMPLY TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT WE SEE OURSELVES AS THAT FIRST STEP TO THE RECOMMENDATION PROCESS SO THAT WE CAN ALLEVIATE THE COUNTY GETTING INTO THE MINUTIA OF CHASING SILLY IDEAS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THEY NEEDED TO TWEAK THE LANGUAGE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THERE WAS A SECTION IN THERE THAT SAID THAT ANY FACILITIES, UM, UH, UM, ANY NEW CONSTRUCTIONS AND, UM, FACILITIES ON THE AIRPORT, UH, GROUNDS IS ONLY, UM, APPROVED BY THE AIRPORT COMMISSION.
A LOT OF THIS IS LEFTOVER STUFF, YOU KNOW, AND SO TWEAKING IT, SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE, YOU KNOW, ADVISEMENT TO THE COUNTY OR THE BOARD, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
JUST TWEAK A LITTLE BIT OF THESE WORDS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHEN SOMEONE LIKE MYSELF READING THAT GOING, WELL, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE UNILATERALLY MAKING DECISIONS WHEN IT, THEY SHOULD BE TALKING TO THE COUNTY OR ABSOLUTELY AGREE, LEGAL OR SOMEONE, YOU KNOW.
SO THAT'S WHAT I MEANT ABOUT TWEAKING THE LANGUAGE.
AND I, AND I AGREE WITH THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT THAT, UH, THE, IF YOU GO BACK IN THE HISTORY OF IT, YOU SEE THAT YEARS AND YEARS AGO, THE COMMISSION HAD VERY BROAD AND REACHING, THEY WERE WRITING CHECKS AT ONE POINT, UH, DIRECTLY, UM, THE WAY THE COMMISSION'S BEEN FORMED.
NOW IT DOESN'T, THAT'S NOT OUR INTENT.
SO YEAH, WE'LL TWEAK THAT AND GET THAT STUFF SQUARED AWAY.
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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? UH, YEAH, I ACTUALLY GOT A COUPLE MORE.I THOUGHT OF THESE BEFORE AND THEY SLIPPED MY MIND, AND NOW THEY CAME BACK JUST IN TIME.
SO, UM, ONE IS, UH, I, I WAS LOOKING, THINKING ABOUT SECURITY, UH, FOR THE AIRPORTS.
AND ONE IS IN TERMS OF, UH, BUSINESSES THAT MIGHT, UH, OPERATE ON THE GROUNDS, I DID SEE ON PAGE 38, UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS PAGE 38, UH, IT SAID, UM, FOR ANY BUSINESS OR INTERESTED PARTIES THEREOF, UH, THAT HAVE A CRIMINAL RECORD TO, TO PLEASE STATE THE DETAILS.
UM, UM, I WAS WONDERING IF, UH, WANTED TO MAKE CLEAR THAT THE INTERESTED PARTIES INCLUDE EMPLOYEES, UM, EXPLICITLY, AND SECONDLY, DO WE WANT TO ENSHRINE A A RIGHT TO REQUEST A, A FORMAL CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK? UH, NOT THAT WE WOULD DO IT ON EVERYBODY NECESSARILY, BUT PRESERVE THAT, THAT RIGHT.
I DEFINITELY, I, I THINK THAT IS A GOOD WAY TO PREVENT FUTURE PROBLEMS. YEAH.
SO THAT'S ONE THING WE DO, MR. MR. STANIER, WE DO ON, ON OUR EMPLOYEES, AND THEN WE HAVE ON, YOU KNOW, THE GROUPS THAT HAVE COME IN.
UM, MAYBE JUST KIND OF MAKING IT OFFICIAL THEN IN THE DOCUMENT.
UM, AND THEN THE, THE OTHER THING WAS, I, I SEARCHED AND I DON'T THINK I SAW ANYTHING ABOUT, UM, PHYSICAL SECURITY FOR THE PREMISES, INCLUDING KEY FOBS OR KEY CARDS, UH, AND THE VEHICLE GATE.
UH, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE A POLICY ABOUT THAT.
UH, WE DON'T HAVE A FORMAL POLICY.
BUT, UM, RIGHT NOW I KNOW THAT THE SUPERVISOR OR SUPERINTENDENT OF THE AIRPORT IS IN CONTROL, THE FOBS AND THE SECURITY.
UM, BUT IF WE WANT TO KIND OF START WORKING WITH THE COUNTY AS FAR AS A FORMAL SECURITY POLICY AND FORMALIZE THAT DOCUMENT, WE COULD START WORKING ON THAT SHORE.
IT WAS NEVER A PART OF THE RULES AND REGS PRIOR.
UM, WE DO HAVE A STATE PROCESS THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO MANUALLY.
AND THEN WE, UM, AND, AND THE SHERIFF ACTUALLY HELPED WITH, UH, ADDITIONAL, UM, EXTERNAL AUDIT.
AND BOTH OF THOSE ACTUALLY, WELL, THE ONE IS, IS SELF AND THE OTHER IS INDEPENDENT.
AND THOSE AUDITS ARE PERFORMED ANNUALLY, AND THEY ACTUALLY GIVE US ADDITIONAL BONUS POINTS TOWARD OUR GRANTS THAT WE TRY TO REACH OUT TO RECEIVE.
SO THAT, BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THEIR FORMS, THAT'S THEIR, YOU KNOW, THEIR INFORMATION.
NOW, PART TWO OF THAT IS, YOU KNOW, WE, I MEAN, TO REALLY SECURE THE WHOLE THING, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA BE A WHILE.
AND I'M NOT SAYING WE NEED, YOU KNOW, A BARB WIRE FENCE AROUND THAT, BUT ANY, ANYTHING SIMILAR, BUT JUST A POLICY FOR WHO, WHO GETS A CARD, YOU KNOW, WHEN ARE THEY ACTIVE? WHAT'S THE POLICY FOR GETTING A CAR ON THE TARMAC? ALL THAT, YOU KNOW.
UM, AND, UH, IF WE HAVE CERTAIN POLICIES THAT ARE IMPLICIT OR THAT RUN THROUGH JAKE, UH, MM-HMM.
I DON'T WANT THIS TO SLOW DOWN THE WHOLE THING.
BUT, UM, IT IS IMPORTANT, I THINK.
AND PART OF THE PROCESS, I MEAN, AND YOU, SOME OF THE INFORMATION, AND IF YOU READ THE DOCUMENT AND YOU GO DIGGING, I MEAN, SOME OF LIKE DBE IS SPECIFIC TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT YEAH.
BECAUSE THEIR PROCUREMENT COMES INTO PLAY, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE OF OURS AS WELL.
SO SOME OF THOSE THINGS ARE LOOKING AT WHAT THEIR REQUIREMENTS ARE, AND THEN WITH, UH, THE STATE OF VIRGINIA, I MEAN, THEY HAVE THEIR MINIMUM STANDARDS AND RULES AND REGULATIONS, WHICH TIE INTO THE EXPECTATION AND THE DEFINITIONS AS WELL.
UM, AND, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THE MODEL COMES FROM.
AND THERE'S AN EXPECTATION FROM THOSE ENTITIES AS WELL THAT THEY, THEY BE HERE.
BUT THEN ON THE OTHER HAND, I DON'T THINK IT'S AN UNREASONABLE REQUEST JUST TO HAVE A, A PROVISION IN THIS RULES AND REGULATION THAT ADDRESSES THAT.
WE DO HAVE SECURITY POLICIES ON THE BOOKS.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S A BIG THING TO ADD.
YOU COULD EVEN SAY THAT THEY'RE UNDER THE, UH, THE REMIT OF THE AIRPORT MANAGER AND RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST MENTION THE FACT THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, SECURITY FOBS JUST MENTION THAT WE DO HAVE A SECURITY GATE, YOU KNOW, TYPE OF THING.
YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET INTO DETAILS OF THE MECHANICS OF HOW IT WORKS AS FAR AS A PROCESS.
BUT JUST TO RECOGNIZE THAT WE DO HAVE THOSE SECURITY PRECAUTIONS, WE CAN DO THAT EASILY.
ANYONE ELSE? WELL, I THINK WE'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF WORK ON OUR SIDE TO DO ON
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THIS, BUT I, AGAIN, I AGREE WITH, UM, WITH THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS THAT HAVE CONGRATULATED YOU ON THE COMMISSION'S WORK ON THIS.THE COMMITTEE THAT, UH, DID ALL THE LEGWORK, DID A REALLY GOOD JOB.
IT WAS QUITE A BIG EFFORT, BUT LOTS OF HANDS MAKE LIGHT WORK, IF YOU WILL EXTEND OUR APPRECIATION, SIR.
[B. VDOT Smart Scale FY2026-2031 Applications for Warren County Highway Safety Improvement Projects - Matt Wendling]
ON TO, UM, THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE VDOT SMART SCALE FY 26 THROUGH 2020.2031, EXCUSE ME, APPLICATION FOR WARREN COUNTY HIGHWAY SAFETY IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS.
GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
UM, I'LL LIKE TO INTRODUCE ADAM CAMPBELL.
HE'S THE, UH, VDOT, UH, STANTON DISTRICT, UH, PLANNING.
HE'S A PROJECT MANAGER FOR, UH, THE STAR STUDY.
HE ASSISTED US, UH, THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE PROCESS.
AND, UH, HE'S ONE WHO PUT THIS POWERPOINT AND EVERYTHING TOGETHER FOR THE US 3 45 22 CORRIDOR IMPROVEMENT STUDY.
UM, AND WE'LL BE, UH, PRESENTING THAT TO YOU.
I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AFTER THIS.
AND, AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT, MR. CAMPBELL.
GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
UH, SO TONIGHT'S UPDATE, AS MATT SAID, UM, WE'RE COMING TO THE CONCLUSION, LET'S SEE, IS THIS GONNA WORK? IF THIS IS A PDF? OH, WE GO.
OH, SO THIS IS JUST THE ONE FILE, MATT.
SO TONIGHT, JUST WANNA PROVIDE AN UPDATE AS WE COME TO, WE'RE COMING TO A CONCLUSION OF OUR, UH, US 3 45 22 STARS STUDY.
UM, WE ALSO WANNA PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THE SMART SCALE, UM, STATE TRANSPORTATION GRANT FUNDING PROGRAM, WHICH IS CURRENTLY UNDERWAY IN THE FULL APPLICATION PHASE.
FULL APPLICATIONS ARE DUE FOR SUBMISSION, UH, AUGUST 1ST, SO THE END OF THIS MONTH.
UM, SO JUST TO START, UH, TO GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THIS STUDY, UM, THE STARS STUDY PROGRAM IS ONE OF VDO T'S PRIMARY STUDY PROGRAMS. THE ACRONYM STANDS FOR STRATEGICALLY TARGETED AND AFFORDABLE ROADWAY SOLUTIONS.
THESE PROJECTS, OR THESE STUDIES LOOK AT, UM, EACH YEAR, VDOT CENTRAL OFFICE SENDS OUT CANDIDATE CORRIDORS TO EVERY VDOT DISTRICT WHERE THERE ARE SAFETY AND CONGESTION NEEDS.
UH, THIS IS ONE OF THE HIGHEST, UH, CANDIDATES LAST YEAR FOR THE VDOT STANTON DISTRICT.
UM, SO IN WORKING WITH COUNTY AND TOWN STAFF, UM, AND THE VDOT EDINBURG RESIDENCY, WE DECIDED THIS WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE CORRIDOR TO STUDY FOR THIS PROGRAM AND MOVE FORWARD.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS STUDY FOR JUST OVER 12 MONTHS.
WE STARTED IN THE LAST SUMMER WITH DATA COLLECTION, FIELD REVIEW, AND EXISTING CONDITIONS ANALYSIS.
UH, WE HAD OUR FIRST STUDY TEAM MEETING BACK IN THE FALL TO REVIEW THE EXISTING CONDITIONS AND SAFETY ANALYSIS.
UH, WE THEN WENT INTO A PROCESS OF DEVELOPING MODELS TO, TO ANALYZE THE CORRIDOR AND TO COME UP WITH FUTURE VOLUMES, FORECAST FUTURE VOLUMES OUT TO A 2035 FORECAST YEAR.
UH, WE WORKED CLOSELY WITH MATT AND TOWN STAFF TO LOOK AT POTENTIAL FUTURE DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS KNOWN AND SPECULATIVE TO COME UP WITH, UH, THOSE FUTURE VOLUMES.
UM, OUR CONSULTANT, A TCS THEN WORKED WITH VDOT TO COME UP WITH ALTERNATIVES, IMPROVEMENT ALTERNATIVES FOR REVIEW, WHICH WE DID, STARTED LOOKING AT THOSE WITH THE STUDY TEAM IN THE WINTER, THIS PAST WINTER.
UH, WE THEN WENT THROUGH A SET OF ALTERNATIVE REFINEMENT AND PRESENTED TO THE, UH, JOINT COUNTY TOWN TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE BACK IN MARCH WITH WHERE WE WERE AT WITH THAT.
UM, THE SMART SCALE PRE-APPLICATION WINDOW ALSO OPENED IN MARCH, AND WE WORKED WITH THE COUNTY STAFF TO SUBMIT, UH, FOUR APPLICATIONS ALONG THE CORRIDOR, OR FOUR APPLICATIONS IN THE COUNTY.
THREE ASSOCIATED WITH THE STUDY FOR THE, FOR THE PRE-APP.
SO SINCE THAT TIME, WE HAVE DONE OUR SECOND, UM, SECOND PUBLIC ONLINE SURVEY OUTREACH TO PRESENT OUR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE STUDY INTERSECTIONS AND TO GET PUBLIC FEEDBACK, I'M GONNA GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR EACH STUDY INTERSECTION AND THAT FEEDBACK THIS EVENING AND A TCS HAS DEVELOPED, UM, OUR DRAFT FINAL STUDY REPORT, WHICH IS CURRENTLY UNDER REVIEW BY THE STUDY TEAM.
UH, SO AGAIN, I'M THE VDOT PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE STUDY.
UH, A TCS IS OUR CONSULTANTS, AND THEN I'LL BE GOING THROUGH EACH OF OUR, UH, COURT OR OUR INTER STUDY INTERSECTIONS ALONG THE CORRIDOR TO GO OVER THE RECOMMENDATION AND THE SURVEY RESULTS.
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SECOND PUBLIC SURVEY TO PRESENT THE ALTERNA, UH, RECOMMENDATION ALTERNATIVES WAS OPEN FOR TWO WEEKS LAST MONTH.UH, WE HAD 237 TOTAL PARTICIPANTS, UM, RESULTING IN 290 COMMENTS AND OVER, UH, 1900 TOTAL RESPONSES, UH, INVOLVING COMMENTS AND THE RANKING COMPONENTS OF THE SURVEY.
UM, JUST SOME DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION.
UH, 35%, 30 TO 35% OF OUR PARTICIPANTS REPORTED, UH, THEIR HOME ZIP CODE OR THEIR WORK ZIP CODE.
UM, BOTH HAD HOME ZIP CODES AND WORK ZIP CODES IN THE FRONT ROYAL WARREN COUNTY REGION, UM, FOR HOME ZIP CODES.
THE NEXT, THE TOP ONES WERE MIDDLETOWN AREA, STEVEN CITY, AND STRASSBURG.
UM, UM, AND THEN FOR WORK, UH, MIDDLE, THE MIDDLE TOWN ZIP CODE WAS THE NEXT HIGHEST FROM THE FRONT ROYAL WARREN COUNTY ZIP CODE.
SO NOW WE'LL START FROM THE SOUTH.
OUR STUDY CORRIDOR, UM, BEGAN AT THE INTERSECTION OF GUARD HILL ROAD TO THE SOUTH, AND THEN WE WORK OUR WAY UP TO THE NORTHERN LIMITS OF OUR STUDY CORRIDOR IS AT THE INTERSECTION WITH COUNTRY CLUB AND, UM, CROOK RUN BOULEVARD.
SO, UM, WHEN I, WE PRESENTED THIS, THE, THE RECOMMENDATION AT OUR TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE MEETING BACK IN MARCH, WE WERE EVALUATING THE NEED FOR A TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT THIS LOCATION.
IT IS CURRENTLY IN A UNSIGNED FULL ACCESS INTERSECTION JUST NORTH OF THE, THE, THE FIRST BRIDGE, UM, OVER THE RIVER.
UM, WE DID A WARRANT ANALYSIS.
UNFORTUNATELY, EVEN WITH OUR FORECASTED VOLUMES, WE DID NOT MEET THE WARRANTS NECESSARY TO SUPPORT A TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT THIS LOCATION.
UM, OUR FINAL REPORT IS GONNA RECOGNIZE THAT AS TRAFFIC GROWS ALONG THIS CORRIDOR, THIS WILL NEED TO BE, UM, A STUDY OF TO BE MONITORED AS A LOCATION, BECAUSE AT SOME POINT WE, WE COULD TRIGGER SIGNAL WARRANTS THAT WOULD REQUIRE SOME FURTHER ACTION.
WHAT ARE WARRANTS? SO, UH, THERE ARE A SERIES OF EIGHT WARRANTS THAT ARE EVALUATED.
UM, MOST OF THEM HAVE TO DO WITH VOLUME TRAFFIC VOLUMES IN THE CORRIDOR.
SO EACH OF THE WARRANTS ARE EVALUATED TO SEE IF THEY MEET THE NEED TO CONSIDER A TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
SO THERE ARE ITEMS THAT WARRANT CONSIDERATION, CORRECT? ABOUT HALF OF THEM ARE VOLUME BASED.
SOME ARE LOOKING AT EIGHT HOURS OF VOLUME, SOME ARE FOUR HOURS OF VOLUME.
UM, AND THEN OTHERS ARE CRASH BASED AS WELL.
UH, SO WE THINK THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES HERE TO IMPROVE SITE DISTANCE AND APPROACH IMPROVEMENTS ON GUARD HILL ROAD, UM, IN ORDER TO MAKE THE, THE LINE OF SIGHT FOR VEHICLES TRYING TO ENTER 3 45 22 SAFER.
SO WE'RE, UH, PROPOSING SOME, I'M JUST GONNA WORK ON THIS LEFT, THAT'S FANCY.
UH, SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO SOME CHA MEDIAN CHANNELIZATION HERE TO, AND MAKE THIS APPROACH MORE PERPENDICULAR WITH THE INTERSECTION TO HELP IMPROVE DRIVER VISIBILITY FOR ENTERING THE CORRIDOR.
HERE WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT INSTALLING SOME ADVANCED INTERSECTION WARNING SIGNALS ALONG THREE 40, PARTICULARLY FOR THE SOUTHBOUND MOVEMENT, JUST TO ALERT THOSE PEOPLE TRAVELING SOUTHBOUND ON 3 45 42, THAT THERE IS SOMEONE APPROACHING THE INTERSECTION, UM, TO MAKE A TURNING MOVEMENT.
SO THE AVERAGE RATING, SO WE, THE, THE SURVEY HAD AN AVERAGE RATING OUT OF FIVE ASKED, UH, PARTICIPANTS TO, TO RATE THAT.
UM, IT'S FIVE BEING THE HIGHEST.
UM, WE HAD 18 FIVE RATINGS AND 14 ONE RATINGS.
THERE WAS GENERAL SUPPORT FOR THIS, UH, THESE RECOMMENDATIONS.
UH, JUST MOST PEOPLE SAID THIS WASN'T ENOUGH.
UM, THEY, THEY WERE EXPECTING MORE FROM AN IMPROVEMENT STANDPOINT.
SO, SO WHEN, WHEN YOU SAY THAT THERE WAS FIVE, THERE WAS, UM, 18 FIVE RATINGS AND 14 ONE RATINGS, WERE THERE OTHER RATINGS IN BETWEEN? YEP.
I'M JUST HIGHLIGHTING THE TWO EXTREMES.
MOST OF THEM FELL SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE, BUT I, I'LL OFFER, FOR EACH ONE OF THESE, I'LL OFFER THE AVERAGE AND THEN HOW MANY GAVE IT A, WHAT THEY THOUGHT WAS AN EXCEPTIONAL RATING AND WHAT GAVE IT THE LOWEST RATING.
I JUST, AND I, I'LL NOTE, I I, WE HAVE, UH, THE ONLINE SURVEY TOOL WE USE, THEY, THEY, IT GENERATES AUTOMATICALLY GENERATES A VERY, UM, INTUITIVE REPORT ONLINE.
SO IF ANY OF YOU WOULD LIKE THE FULL SURVEY INFORMATION, STAFF CAN PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO YOU.
WOULD YOU ALSO HAVE THE, THE MEDIAN IN THERE? UH, THERE WERE NO, THERE WOULD BE NO MEDIAN, UH, NO MEDIAN IMPROVEMENTS FOR
WHAT I MEAN IS A MEDIAN RATING IN THAT, UH, YOU COULD HAVE HAD, UM, YEAH, WE CAN 18 FIVE RATINGS, 14 ONE RATINGS, AND THEN THE MEDIAN WAS, WAS TWO.
CAN, WE CAN PULL THE MEDIA IN ALSO.
I'M, I'M JUST KIND OF SURPRISED, UM, THAT THE SURVEY RESULTS MADE THAT MUCH OF AN IMPACT ON
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WHAT WENT ON HERE.I, YEAH, I'M, I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT.
I, YOU DO A SURVEY THAT IT IS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.
I JUST DIDN'T KNOW TO THIS EXTENT OF, YOU KNOW, MEETING WARRANTS.
YOU KNOW, JUST NOW I WANNA KNOW THE WARRANT EVALUATION WAS SEPARATE FROM THE SURVEY.
SO WHEN WE PRESENTED THIS RECOMMENDATION, THIS INTERSECTION WITH THE SURVEY, WE HAD ALREADY DETERMINED THAT THE WARRANTS FOR THE SIGNAL WERE NOT MET.
SO WE DID NOT INCLUDE THE SIGNAL FOR CONSIDERATION IN, IN THE SURVEY.
AND THAT'S WHY I WILL NOTE THERE WAS CONSIDERABLE COMMENTS REQUESTING OR SUPPORTING A TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT THIS LOCATION, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT WARRANTED, JUST FROM THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERSPECTIVE.
UM, SO I WILL NOTE THAT, THAT THE COUNTY DID SUBMIT A SMART SCALE PRE-APPLICATION FOR THIS LOCATION WHEN WE THOUGHT WE COULD HAVE THE CONSIDERATION OF A NEW TRAFFIC SIGNAL HERE.
UM, NOW THAT, THAT'S NOT GONNA BE SUPPORTED BASED ON THE SIGNAL WARRANT EVALUATION, UM, WE'RE RECOMMENDING TO THE COUNTY STAFF TO, LET'S NOT ADVANCE THIS SMARTS APPLICATION, BECAUSE THE SCOPE OF THE SCALE OF THIS IMPROVEMENT IS LOW ENOUGH THAT BETWEEN THE RESIDENCY AND OUR DISTRICT TRAFFIC ENGINEERING SECTION, WE THINK WE COULD HANDLE THESE MEDIAN IMPROVEMENTS WITH STATE FORCES AT A AND DELIVER IT MUCH FASTER THAN GOING THROUGH SMART SCALE, WHICH TYPICALLY HAS ABOUT A SIX YEAR WINDOW IF IT'S FUNDED TO IMPLEMENTATION.
OUR NEXT INTERSECTION IS LOOKING AT, UH, THE INTERSECTION WITH, AT THE PARK AND RIDE WHERE WE HAVE THE EXISTING TRAFFIC SIGNAL AND OUR UNSIGNED FULL ACCESS CROSSOVER AT THE COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE WHERE, UH, THE MCDONALD'S RECENTLY REOPENED.
UM, SO THIS IS ONE OF THE HIGHER CRASH LOCATIONS AT THE UNSIGN COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE, UM, ALONG THE CORRIDOR.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE INADEQUATE SPACING FOR THE FULL ACCESS, UM, APPROXIMATE TO OUR RAMP INTERSECTION JUST TO THE NORTH.
SO LOOKING AT THIS, THE RECOMMENDATION COMING OUTTA THE STUDY IS TO IMPLEMENT WHAT'S CALLED A REDUCED CONFLICT INTERSECTION.
SO, UH, BASICALLY THE FULL ACCESS MEDIAN CROSSING HERE WOULD BE MODIFIED TO ALLOW A NORTHBOUND 3 45 22 LEFT TURN IN TO THE DEVELOPMENT.
BUT THEN COMING OUT, ALL VEHICLES WOULD BE FORCED TO MAKE A RIGHT TURN.
AND THEN THIS SIGNAL IN THE TURN LANE HERE AT THE PARK AND RIDE WOULD BE RECONSTRUCTED, UH, TO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL PAVEMENT HERE TO ACCOMMODATE U-TURN MOVEMENTS FOR VEHICLES WISHING TO HEAD BACK TO THE INTERSTATE.
UH, THIS DRAMATICALLY REDUCES THE NUMBER OF POTENTIAL CONFLICT POINTS HERE AT THE PRIMARY INTERSECTION.
IMPROVING SAFETY AT THE LOCATION, I LIKE GONNA CRASH IN HERE.
UM, THE OPERATIONAL ANALYSIS OF THIS SIGNAL FOUND THAT IT COULD, UH, VERY EASILY ACCOMMODATE THE EXTRA U-TURN MOVEMENTS.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, AND JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA IN THESE SURVEYS, WE FIND THAT ANYTHING ABOVE A THREE IS WELL SUPPORTED, UM, WITH WHAT WE'VE LOOKED AT FOR ALL THESE SURVEYS WE'VE DONE IN THIS FORMAT.
SO THIS ONE SCORED, UH, GENERALLY, UH, VERY FAVORABLE, 3.35 OUT OF FIVE WITH 26 5 STAR AND, UH, SIX ONE STAR RATINGS.
UM, LIKE I SAID, THERE WAS GENERAL SUPPORT FOR THIS RECOMMENDATION THROUGHOUT THE COMMENTS THERE.
THE ONE NOTE WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SIGNAL HERE CAN ACCOMMODATE COMMERCIAL VEHICLE U-TURNS, WHICH WE PLAN TO DO WITH THE IMPROVEMENTS AT THE INTERSECTION.
NOW THIS WAS SUBMITTED AS A SMART SCALE APPLICATION, BUT WE ARE PACKAGING THIS LOCATION WITH RAMP IMPROVEMENTS, BOTH EASTBOUND AND WESTBOUND RAMP IMPROVEMENTS INTO A SINGLE APPLICATION.
SO, UH, MOVING ONTO THE EASTBOUND RAMPS.
UM, SO RIGHT NOW THERE IS A SINGLE RIGHT TURN LANE COMING DOWN OFF THE EASTBOUND RAMP TO GO SOUTHBOUND ON 3 45 22.
AND IT IS A CONTINUOUS, UM, ACCELERATION LANE THAT TURNS INTO THE EXISTING RIGHT TURN LANE SERVING THE COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE HERE.
UH, THAT CREATES A WEAVE CONDITION, WHICH IS NOT DESIRABLE FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT AND OFTEN LEADS TO SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF SIDESWIPE AND REAR END CRASHES.
UM, AND THE CRASH, THE CRASH ANALYSIS, UH, SUPPORTS THAT.
SO THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO ELIMINATE THE, UM, ELIMINATE THAT FREE FLOW RIGHT TURN AND REPLACE IT WITH DUAL RIGHT TURN LANES THAT ARE CONTROLLED BY THE EXISTING SIGNAL AT THE LOCATION.
UH, THIS WOULD ALLOW ALL VEHICLES EXITING OFF THE INTERSTATE TO COME TO A COMPLETE STOP BEFORE THEY ENTER THE 3 45 22 SOUTHBOUND TRAFFIC.
AND IT PROVIDES THEN THE ABILITY TO DO AN EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TURN LANE SERVING THE COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE.
UH, I LIKE THAT BECAUSE THAT ALWAYS GIVES ME THE WILLIES COMING OFF THAT, THAT, UH, UH, THAT EXIT THERE AND JUST HOPING THAT I CAN GET OVER IN THERE WITHOUT SOMEBODY HITTING ME.
UM, OUR ANALYSIS ALSO SHOWED FOR UP TO THE NORTHBOUND, UM, LOOP RAMP
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HERE TO GO WESTBOUND ON 66.OUR EXISTING CONDITIONS ANALYSIS SHOWED THAT THERE WAS CONSIDERABLE, UM, LANE, UH, IT'S CALLED LANE, UM, IMBALANCING, WHERE THE HIGH MAJORITY OF PEOPLE VEHICLES WAN TO GO TO THE INTERSTATE.
WERE OBVIOUSLY FAVORING THE OUTSIDE LANE TO POSITION TO GET INTO THAT LOOP RAMP.
UM, WE ARE THEN PROPOSING TO ADD A THIRD LANE.
SO BASICALLY WHERE THE RIGHT TURN LANE IS TODAY TO GO EASTBOUND ON THE EASTBOUND RAMP, THAT WOULD BECOME A THIRD THROUGH LANE TO GET YOU THROUGH THIS SIGNAL TO FEED DIRECTLY INTO THE LOOP RAMP TO PROVIDE MORE CAPACITY FOR THAT VOL, THAT MOVEMENT.
WE WOULD THEN REBUILD A NEW RIGHT TURN LANE ON THE, OUT TO THE OUTSIDE EDGE OF THE EXISTING RIGHT TURN LANE TO SERVICE THE EASTBOUND ON RAMP.
UM, THIS WAS ONE OF THE HIGHER, UH, RATINGS IN THE PUBLIC SURVEY, 3.6 OUT FIVE, AND YOU CAN SEE, UH, 28 5 STARS, FIVE ONE STARS.
UM, AND ACTUALLY IT LOOKS LIKE YOU JUST GOT ON THE NEXT SLIDE, MAYBE, UH, YOU MENTIONED THE WEAVE CONDI CONDITION BEFORE.
I THINK THERE'S A WEAVE CONDITION POTENTIALLY IN THIS SLIDE, AND I THINK YOU'RE GONNA MAYBE SPEAK TO THAT.
YEAH, SO IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE COUNTERINTUITIVE BECAUSE WE ARE REMOVING A WEAVE CONDITION HERE, UHHUH
THE DIFFERENCE IS HERE, YOU ONLY HAVE ABOUT, YOU HAVE LESS THAN 300 FEET OF SEPARATION.
UM, BECAUSE THE WALMART AND TARGET DEVELOPMENTS WERE DEVELOPED LATER, ONCE WE HAD GOOD ACCESS MANAGEMENT STANDARDS IN PLACE, THEY ARE PUSHED SIGNIFICANTLY FURTHER BACK.
MM-HMM,
UM, SO THIS ONE, THIS IS ACTUALLY THE HIGHEST CRASH FREQUENCY ON THE CORRIDOR.
UH, AND IT INVOLVES THE, THE DUAL RIGHT TURN LANES HERE.
SO ONE, YOU HAVE A FREE FLOW MOVEMENT AND ONE IS A NO RIGHT ON RED.
SO THE INTENT OF THAT WAS AS, WHEN THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE, THE INSIDE RIGHT TURN LANE WERE FOR VEHICLES PROCEEDING TO THE TARGET SHOPPING CENTER TO GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO WAIT AT THE SIGNAL, GET THE GREEN ARROW SO THEY HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY TO GET IN AND POSITION THEMSELVES TO GET IN THE LEFT TURN LANE TO GO ON CROOKED RUN BOULEVARD.
THE OUTSIDE LANE WAS TO SERVE THE WALMART SHOPPING CENTER AND THEN NORTHBOUND 3 45 22.
HOWEVER, THE CONDITION WE'RE FINDING IS THAT BASED ON TRAFFIC VOLUMES, NO ONE IS USING THE, THE OUTSIDE RIGHT TURN LANE.
SO YOU'RE GETTING, YOU'RE GETTING SUDDEN DECISION MAKING OF LANE CHANGES IN THAT DUAL RIGHT TURN LANE LEADING TO A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF REAR END CRASHES AND SIDESWIPE CRASHES ON THE RAMP ITSELF.
SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO CONSOLIDATE THOSE, THE TWO RIGHT TURN LANES INTO A SINGLE FREE FLOW, UH, LANE GOING INTO 3 45 22.
WE'VE DONE A WEAVING ANALYSIS AND BASED ON OUR FUTURE CAPACITY FUTURE CONDITIONS, THE SPEED LIMIT AND THE DISTANCE SEPARATING CROOKED RUN BOULEVARD AND THE RAMP, OUR ANALYSIS SHOWS THAT THE WEAVE IS, IS ACCEPTABLE.
UM, I WILL NOTE THOUGH, FOR, SO THIS IS THE EXTENT OF THE SECOND SMART APPLICATION.
SO GOING OR THE FIRST ONE, THE, THE MCDONALD'S ENTRANCE AND THE TWO RAMPS, ALL THESE WILL BE BUNDLED AS A SINGLE SMART SCALE APPLICATION.
THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS, SINCE WE'RE TOUCHING INTERSTATE RAMP HERE, THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS FOR ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS FOR FHW REVIEW THAT IF THIS WERE TO GET FUNDED, WE WOULD HAVE TO DO AN ADDITIONAL LEVEL ANALYSIS FOR FHWA FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION.
SO THAT'S GONNA BE BUILT INTO THE PROJECT SHOULD IT RECEIVE FUNDING.
SO THIS, WE'VE WILL BE EVALUATED FURTHER IN PROJECT DESIGN SHOULD THIS APPLICATION RE UH, RECEIVE FUNDING.
UM, SO AGAIN, ANOTHER HIGHLY RATED ONE, ALMOST 3.5 WITH 27 5 STARS AND NINE, UH, ONE STARS.
ALL RIGHT, NOW WE GET TO THE, UH, OUTSIDE OF THE BOX, UH, ALTERNATIVES.
UM, SO EASILY THE, UH, THE MOST CHALLENGING INTERSECTION ALONG THE CORRIDOR IS COUNTRY CLUB ROAD AND CROOKED RUN BOULEVARD, BOTH BECAUSE OF THE RELATIVELY HIGH VOLUMES FROM ALL APPROACHES.
UM, THE SIZE OF THE INTERSECTION MAKES IT PROBLEMATIC.
UM, IT'S THE HIGHEST TOTAL NUMBER OF CRASHES ALONG THE CORRIDOR, AND IT'S A WIDESPREAD, WIDESPREAD RANGE OF CRASHES COMING FROM ALL DIRECTIONS, UH, IN CRASH TYPES ANGLE, REAR END.
WE HAD TO START THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX.
SO THE STUDY TEAM CAME UP WITH TWO ALTERNATIVES TO CONSIDER THAT PERFORMED VERY WELL, BOTH FROM AN OPERATION STANDPOINT AND FROM THEIR ABILITY TO POTENTIALLY REDUCE CRASHES.
THE FIRST CONCEPT IS WHAT'S KNOWN AS A THROUGH CUT.
SO JUST TO ORIENT YOU, UH, NORTH, WE'RE NOW LOOKING NORTH IS GOING TO THE RIGHT.
SO THE ROYAL FARMS IS HERE, WALMART WOULD BE DOWN HERE, AND THE TARGET OVER HERE.
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AND THESE INNOVATIVE INTERSECTIONS ARE ALL ABOUT, SO DOING, JUST FOR EXAMPLE, DOING THIS AS A GREAT SEPARATED INTERCHANGE TODAY WOULD PROBABLY BE ABOUT A $80 MILLION PROJECT, JUST NOT IN THE REALM OF BEING COMPETITIVE AND GETTING THAT FUNDING.UM, SO INNOVATIVE INTERSECTIONS LOOK AT WAYS TO, UH, GIVE A LOT OF THE BENEFITS OF GRADE SEPARATED, UM, INTERSECTIONS IN TERMS OF OPERATIONS AND SAFETY.
BUT THERE'S THE, THE CONS ARE THAT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT RELOCATING, REDIRECTING SOME TURNING MOVEMENTS TO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION TO IMPROVE YOUR GREEN EFFICIENCY OF YOUR SIGNAL.
SO IN THIS CASE, THE THROUGH CUT WOULD PRO WOULD ELIMINATE THE ABILITY TO GO THIS WAY THROUGH THE INTERSECTION.
WHICH SHOW THAT AGAIN, PLEASE, YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO, I MIGHT BE RUNNING OUT OF POWER HERE ON THIS THING.
UH, YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO THE THROUGH MOVEMENT BETWEEN THE TWO SIDES HERE.
IN ORDER TO DO THAT, YOU WOULD HAVE TO TAKE A RIGHT TURN AND COME UP AND DO A U-TURN ON 3 45 22 AND COME BACK TO DO A RIGHT.
I SEE DISASTER WRITTEN ALL, BUT IT'S, I JUST FEEL LIKE WE'RE MOVING ONE CRASH AREA TO ANOTHER.
SO THE KEY OF THIS IS YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PROPERLY SPACED AND DESIGNED U-TURN LOCATION, AND THREE, I'M SURE ALL OF YOU KNOW, 3 45, 22 HAS SOME VERTICAL CHALLENGES ALONG THIS SECTION HERE.
SO THAT'S THE HARDEST PART OF TRYING TO IMPLEMENT THIS ALTERNATIVE.
UM, NOW MAYBE THERE ARE SOME LAND DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES IN THE FUTURE HERE, WHERE THAT COULD BE DESIGNED BY A LAND DEVELOPER AND PROVIDE A SAFE LOCATION FOR THIS TO BE CONSIDERED.
I, I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, IF I WERE TO, TO, TO SAY THAT, THAT I FAVORED SOMETHING LIKE THIS, I'D GET AN EARFUL FROM MY WIFE.
NOW YOU CAN, WELL, YOU CAN SEE ALSO THESE, THIS ONE AND THE NEXT ONE WERE THE TWO, UH, MOST UNPOPULAR.
UH, YOU CAN START SEEING WHERE WE'RE NOW TIP THE SCALES FOR MORE.
AND, UM, NOW THE NEXT ONE IS EVEN MORE OUTSIDE THE BOX.
UM, SO THIS IS WHAT'S KNOWN AS A, A BOW TIE.
AND UH, I'VE NOTED IN THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE MEETING THAT WARREN COUNTY, FRONT ROYAL WAS THE FIRST IN THE STATE AND ONLY THE THIRD IN THE COUNTRY TO IMPLEMENT THE, UH, THE, THE, UM, RCI INTERSECTION, OR NOT THE RCI, THE, UH, WHAT IS IT, QUADRANT, ROADWAY INTERSECTION RIGHT THERE BETWEEN THE BRIDGES.
I FIRST, FIRST ONE IN THE STATE TO DO IT.
THIS WOULD BE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR WARREN COUNTY TO IMPLEMENT THE FIRST TYPE OF INTERSECTION OF THIS NATURE IN THE STATE.
UM, THIS IS KNOWN AS A BOW TIE.
SO THE IDEA BEHIND THIS ONE IS WE HAVE THE, OUR EXISTING ROUNDABOUT AT THE INTERSECTION OR THE ENTRANCE TO THE WALMART.
THIS WOULD MIRROR THAT WITH A NEW ROUNDABOUT AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE TARGET ON CROOKED RUN BOULEVARD.
YOU WOULD THEN USE THE ROUNDABOUT TO, UH, RELOCATE YOUR LEFT TURN MOVEMENTS AT YOUR PRIMARY INTERSECTION.
WE ANALYZED A PARTIAL, WHICH WOULD ONLY RELOCATE LEFT TURNS FROM THE SIDE STREET, AND WE DID A FULL BOW TIE, WHICH HAS NO LEFT TURNS FROM THE PRIMARY INTERSECTION.
SO BASICALLY YOU WOULD TAKE A RIGHT TURN, GO DO A U-TURN AROUND THE ROUNDABOUT, AND THEN COME BACK STRAIGHT THROUGH THE INTERSECTION FOR EVERY LEFT TURN MOVEMENT.
SO TH THIS IS KINDA LIKE THE CONCEPT THAT YOU SEE UP IN, IN PLACES LIKE NEW JERSEY WHERE THEY HAVE NO LEFT TURNS, IT'S ALWAYS A JUG HANDLE.
IT WOULD BE THE ULTIMATE VERSION OF A JUG HANDLE WHERE YOU'RE USING THE ROUNDABOUTS TO DO THAT MOVEMENT.
UM, FOR ALL ALL THE LEFTS OR PARTIAL LEFTS AT THE INTERSECTION, UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS ONE WAS ALSO POORLY RECEIVED, UH, 25 POINT STARS
I MEAN, THIS WOULD TAKE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PUBLIC EDUCATION AND MARKETING TO IMPLEMENT SOMETHING OF THIS NATURE TO GET SOMEONE ACCUSTOMED TO DOING THIS TYPE OF MOVEMENT.
UM, I WILL NOTE THAT WHEN YOU COMPARE ALL THREE OPTIONS, THE THROUGH CUT, THE PARTIAL BOW TIE, OR THE FULL BOW TIE, ALL THREE OF THEM PROVIDE ALMOST THE SAME OPERATIONAL BENEFITS.
YOU'RE BASICALLY CUTTING YOUR DELAY AT YOUR PRIMARY INTERSECTION AND HALF, WHICH IS SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE IN THE FUTURE 2035 ANALYSIS YEAR, THIS INTERSECTION HAD OVER 60 SECONDS OF DELAY FOR AVERAGE VEHICLE.
THAT'S ALL VEHICLES MOVING THROUGH IT.
EVEN THE MAIN LINE THREE 40, EVERY SINGLE VEHICLE IN THE PEAK HOUR HAD OVER A MINUTE OF DELAY.
ANY OF THESE OPTIONS WOULD DROP THAT DOWN TO 30 TO 40 SECONDS.
SO YOU DO SEE SOME SUBSTANTIAL OPERATIONAL IMPROVEMENT.
UM, THIS WOULD BE MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE JUST BECAUSE OF THE ROUNDABOUT, UH, UH, IN THE CONSTRUCTION REQUIRED.
UM, THIS WOULD BE 25, 20, 20 5 MILLION BALLPARK.
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PROBABLY FIVE TO $10 MILLION BAR BALLPARK.I ALSO WANT TO NOTE THAT THE THROUGH CUT WOULD ALSO BE BENEFICIAL FROM, OKAY, SO BOTH OF THESE ARE RELOCATING TRIPS TO A DIFFERENT WAY TO GET SOMEWHERE.
IT'S WORTH NOTING THAT IN THE PM PEAK HOUR, WHICH WE ANALYZED THE THROUGH CUTT WOULD ONLY RELOCATE 92 TURNING MOVEMENTS.
A PARTIAL BOW TIE OF ELIMINATING A PARALLEL LEFT TURNS WOULD RELOCATE 323 VEHICLES.
A FULL BOW TIE OF TAKING AWAY ALL FOUR LEFT TURNS WOULD RELOCATE MOVEMENTS FOR 867 VEHICLES.
WHO QUESTION, JUST BECAUSE IT, THESE TWO OPTIONS SCARE ME.
WHY? WHEN IT LOOKS, WHEN I LOOK AT YOUR MAP AND LOOKING DOWN ON IT, TO ME THE INADEQUACY HERE IS THE WIDTH OF THE WHOLE ROAD SYSTEM.
SO INSTEAD OF TRYING TO DO THESE WILD OUT OF THE BOX THINGS, WHY DON'T YOU JUST EXTEND YOUR RIGHT OF WAY AND PUT IN ANOTHER LANE? SO THE PROBLEM ON 3 45 22 IS WE'RE, I MEAN, YOU CAN'T GET MUCH BIGGER THAN THREE LANES IN EACH DIRECTION.
AND THEN IF YOU DO AT THE INTERSECTION, THEN YOU HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT UPSTREAM, DOWNSTREAM BOTTLENECKS.
YOU'RE JUST, YOU'D HAVE TO MAKE SIGNIFICANT INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ENTIRE CORRIDOR, UM, FOR THE SIDE STREET CROOKED ROUTE AND COUNTRY CLUB ROAD.
I MEAN, YOU'RE AT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE APPROACHING CAPACITY ALREADY WITH THE DUAL, YOU HAVE DUAL ATTORNEY MOVEMENTS IN ALMOST EVERY DIRECTION.
UM, BUT THAT'S GONNA REQUIRE RIGHT AWAY AND PROPERTY IMPACTS, THAT'S GONNA BE VERY EXPENSIVE AND COSTLY ON THE, ESPECIALLY ON THE TWO COUNTRY CLUB AND CROOKED ROCK.
WELL, AND, AND I UNDERSTAND RIGHT AWAY ACQUISITION AND MOVING UTILITIES AND ALL THAT, BUT I JUST, I REALLY, I LOOK AT THIS AND I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE JUST MOVING.
I MEAN, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU DO A U-TURN AND WHEN THE ONE COMMENT IS, OKAY, THE, UM, TRACTOR TRAILERS THAT DELIVER TO MCDONALD'S AND THE GAS STATION THERE, UM, THAT, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE WIDENING IT, BUT THEY TAKE A SIGNIFICANT TURN RADIUS TO DO THAT.
SO NO STOPLIGHT THERE IN, IN THE ONE HERE WHERE, WHERE YOU TURN RIGHT.
TO GET OUT OF WALMART, GO UP AND THEN TURN LEFT TO COME BACK TO TARGET, OR JUST TO GO ON HOME SOUTH.
ARE YOU GONNA PUT A LIGHT THERE? YES.
IF THIS WERE, IF THIS WERE TO BE CONSIDERED, THIS WOULD DEFINITELY NEED A LIGHT.
SO WHAT HAPPENS, THERE'S TO, THERE'S ALREADY A LIGHT THERE, RIGHT? NO, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO LIGHT, NO.
IT'S, THIS IS JUST SHOWING, I THINK IT'S A CROSSOVER.
THIS THIS IS NOT, THIS IS JUST SHOWING A POTENTIAL LOCATION OF WHERE THE U-TURN COULD OCCUR.
I'M, THERE'S NO LIGHT THERE TODAY.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, FOR SOMETHING LIKE THE, UH, AND IF YOU GO BACK TO THE BOW TIE FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO, TO REALLY WORK AND THE, AND THE, UH, UH, AND THE PUBLIC, LIKE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UH, I MEAN, I, I WOULD ENVISION HAVING TO PUT A, A BIG OVERPASS THERE WHERE YOU'D PULL OFF, GO THROUGH THE BOW TIE, GO UNDERNEATH, UH, 5 22, TURN AROUND AND THEN GO TO, TO, TO TARGET.
UH, OTHERWISE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST NOT HAPPY WITH THAT.
NO, IT'S A, UM, NORTH CAROLINA NOW HAS THE RCI EXAMPLE I SHOWED YOU AT THE MCDONALD'S WHERE YOU HAVE TO TAKE A RIGHT TO DO A U-TURN.
THERE'S A HANDFUL THAT ARE NOW OPEN IN VIRGINIA.
WE HAVE SEVERAL MORE IN DESIGN THAT ARE BEING IMPLEMENTED.
BUT THERE HAVE BEEN A WHOLE, THERE HAVE BEEN A TON RECENTLY THAT HAVE BEEN FUNDED AND THEN SINCE BEEN CANCELED BECAUSE OF PUBLIC PUSHBACK.
SO THERE'S PUBLIC ACCEPTANCE THERE NOW, AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT'S KEY IS TO GET SOME OF THESE IN PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY EXPERIENCE THEM.
THERE'S ONE IN VIRGINIA THAT I KNOW OF, UH, ON SEVEN WEST OF LEESBURG.
AS YOU'RE GOING UP THE, THE GREAT THERE, UM, IT WORKS PRETTY WELL.
BUT, UM, WHAT I'M WONDERING IS WHAT, WHAT DOES THIS MEAN THOUGH? WHEN WE HAVE THESE THREE OPTIONS AND THEY ALL HAVE LOW RATINGS, UM, IN TERMS OF WARRANTS AND CRITERIA TO ACTUALLY MOVE FORWARD? IT'S, ARE ALL OF THEM OFF THE TABLE RIGHT NOW DUE TO THE RATINGS OR SO VDO S PREFERENCE AS TO DELIVER THIS STUDY? WE WOULD LIKE TO ESTABLISH A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE STUDY PURPOSE OF THE STUDY.
THIS IS, THIS, THIS LOCATION IS NOT BEING ADVANCED FOR SMART SCALE THIS ROUND JUST BECAUSE OF IT'S THE MOST CHALLENGING.
UM, IT'S THE PUBLIC PERCEPTION THAT
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IT NEEDS MORE REFINEMENT.UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO, LIKE I SAID, SUBMIT A STUDY THAT I, WE, I BELIEVE, AND THE MOTION STUDY TEAM BELIEVES THAT THE THROUGH CUT IS THE BETTER OPTION STRICTLY BECAUSE YOU'RE GETTING THE SAME BENEFIT FOR LOWER PRICE AND LESS IMPACTS TO THE TRAVELING PUBLIC.
UM, SO THAT WOULD BE OUR RECOMMENDATION.
NOW, IT'S A RE AS A STUDY RECOMMENDATION, IT'S UPON THE COUNTY TO DETERMINE WE CAN DO FURTHER ANALYSIS IN THE FUTURE.
WE CAN SEE WHAT HAPPENS TO THE CORRIDOR IF OUR GROWTH RATE ASSUMPTIONS ACTUALLY OCCUR THAT WE'VE UTILIZED IN THE STUDY AND DO MORE REFINEMENT AT JUST A SPECIFIC INTERSECTION LEVEL IN THE FUTURE.
SO RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST THIS LOCATION WOULD JUST BE RECOMMENDATION ON PAPER.
UM, THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD ASK ABOUT THIS ONE IS IF YOU HAD, IT WAS RIGHT TURN ONLY COMING OUTTA WALMART, UM, UM, MAYBE YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO GO TO TARGET OR SOMEWHERE, BUT YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO GO BACK INTO TOWN OR, OR BACK.
SO THIS WOULD NOT RESTRICT THE LEFT, JUST THE FLUID MOVEMENTS.
THAT'S WHY IT'S RELATIVELY LOW.
IT'S ONLY NINE THREE, IT'S ABOUT 50 VEHICLES IN THE PEAK HOUR GOING FROM THE WALMART SIDE TO THE TARGET SIDE, AND ABOUT 30 SOME COMING FROM TARGET TO WALMART.
BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO CHECK IF THAT WOULD DIVERT PEOPLE THROUGH ROCKLAND IF IT YEAH, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE HEAVIEST MOVEMENTS IS THE, THE LEFT FROM WALMART TO HEAD BACK TOWARDS THE INTERSTATE IN TOWN.
THAT'S 400 AND SOMETHING VEHICLES IN THE PEAK HOUR.
SO NOW, UM, UH, SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT IF I JUST CAME OUTTA WALMART AND I WANNA GO SOUTH, I DON'T HAVE TO TAKE THAT, RIGHT? NOPE.
IT'S STRICTLY JUST THE THROUGH MOVEMENTS.
YOU CAN'T GO STRAIGHT ACROSS 3 45, 22.
SO WHAT IS, OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT WE HAVE TO EDUCATE PEOPLE THERE, WHAT STOPS THEM FROM JUST GOING AHEAD AND GOING ACROSS THE ROAD? SO WE WOULD DEVELOP, AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THEM HERE, BUT WE WOULD DEVELOP, UM, SPLITTER ISLANDS THAT WOULD KIND OF FORCE PEOPLE TO YOU.
THIS WOULD BECOME TWO LEFT TURN LANES AND DUAL RIGHT TURN LANES AND HAVE A SPLITTER OUT 'EM IN THE MIDDLE.
SAME HERE, A SPLITTER ISLAND THAT JUST, IT'S KURT FORCES VEHICLES TO MAKE EITHER A LEFT OR RIGHT TURN.
SORT OF LIKE THE ONE EVERYBODY RIDES ON NOW WHEN THEY MAKE THE LEFT TURN.
NO, IT'S SAME AS, IT'S THE SAME AS THE QUADRANT ROADWAY.
THERE'S NOTHING REALLY THERE PREVENTING SOMEONE FROM TAKING A LEFT BOOT, MA'AM.
THEY'LL BE ABLE TO STAND BACK
WELL, AND, AND THAT IS A QUESTION.
IF YOU GO TO THE BOW TIE AND YOU HAVE A WRECK, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S A LOT OF MOVEMENT FOR THESE GUYS WITH A FIRETRUCK OR, I MEAN, AND THAT THING GETS ALL CONGESTED UP IS WHAT ARE, WELL, IN THEORY, YOU GUYS BACK THERE, I MEAN, I, DEPENDING ON WHERE THE CRASH TAKES PLACE IN SOMETHING LIKE THIS, BUT IN THEORY, IF IT'S NOT BLOCKING THE MAIN INTERSECTION OF THE EMERGENCY, THEY CAN GO ON THROUGH EMERGENCY SERVICES, COULD MAKE THEIR MOVEMENT NECESSARY, BECAUSE I CAN SEE 'EM GETTING HUNG UP ON THOSE ROUNDABOUTS WHERE NOBODY KNOWS WHAT TO DO.
I WAS ACTUALLY SURPRISED THAT THIS ONE, UH, EED OUT THROUGH CUTT, JUST BARELY BY 0.1 AVERAGE.
I THOUGHT FOR SURE THAT THIS WAS GONNA BE LOWER THAN THE THROUGH CUTT.
THERE, THERE WERE SEVERAL COMMENTS INDICATING SUPPORT THAT THEY UNDER, ONCE THEY UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT, THEY SAW THE BENEFIT, BUT ADMITTED THAT IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFERENT.
ADAM, ON THE, I'LL JUST MENTION TO THE BOARD ON THE COVER SHEET THAT YOU HAVE IN THE EXHIBIT CLERK, I INCLUDED A LINK TO BE THAT'S INNOVATIVE INTERSECTION, UH, PROGRAM WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY CLICK ON IT AND IT WILL LITERALLY SHOW YOU THE MOVEMENT OF THE BOW TIE.
THERE'S GOOD VIDEOS THAT SHOWING DEMONSTRATION AND SOME EXAMPLES FROM WHERE THESE HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTED IN OTHER STATES.
HOW MUCH MONEY WOULD THE COUNTY HAVE TO PUT UP, UH, VERSUS THE STATE FOR? SO THAT IS AT THE COUNTY'S DISCRETION.
THE SMART SCALE APPLICATION PROCESS CAN BE, AND TYPICALLY IS A HUNDRED PERCENT STATE FEDERAL FUNDING.
UM, THE SMART SCALE PROCESS EVALUATES THE COMPETITIVE EVALUATES APPLICATION COMPETITIVENESS BY LOOKING AT BENEFIT DIVIDED BY COST.
SO IT'S ONLY THE STATE, THE REQUEST FROM THE STATE THAT'S DIVIDED BY THE BENEFIT.
SO, UM, IF THE COUNTY, IF THE LOCALITY LEVERAGES FUNDS, IT IMPROVES THEIR SCORE.
BUT IT CERTAINLY CAN BE A HUNDRED PERCENT STATE FEDERAL FUNDING.
BUT IF SOMETHING WERE JUST ON THE LINE ON THE BORDERLINE OF BEING APPROVED OR NOT, THE COUNTY COULD PUT UP A LITTLE MONEY TO HELP THE MATH? NO, NO.
IT HAS TO BE DONE, IT DETERMINED BEFORE THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED.
IT CAN'T, YOU CAN'T RETRO PUT UP MONEY ONCE THE SCORING IS DONE.
SO IT'S ALWAYS KIND OF A GUESSING GAME FROM VDOT.
'CAUSE WE HAVE LOCALITIES LIKE, ALL RIGHT, WELL, HOW MUCH DO I NEED TO PUT IN TO MAKE MY APPLICATION COMPETITIVE? AND WE'RE LIKE, WELL, WE DON'T REALLY WANT TO GIVE YOU THAT BECAUSE IT CHANGES FROM YEAR TO YEAR BASED ON THE APPLICATION POOL.
UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE TRY TO STAY OUT.
AND THEN FINALLY, THIS IS THE, THE LAST SMART SCALE APPLICATION THAT'S GONNA ADVANCE, UM, IS JUST MAKING IMPROVEMENTS TO THE EXISTING ROUNDABOUT AT THE WALMART ENTRANCE.
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THIS WAS ONE OF THE FIRST ROUNDABOUTS IN THE BDOT STAND DISTRICT, AND IT WAS THE FIRST TWO LANE ROUNDABOUT.UM, SINCE THAT TIME, TWO LANE ROUNDABOUTS HAVE SEEN ISSUES WITH SIDESWIPE CRASHES ACROSS THE STATE.
UM, TO PREVENT THAT, THE GOOD NEWS IS IT'S ALMOST ALWAYS JUST PROPERTY DAMAGE, ONLY BECAUSE THE VEHICLES ARE MOVING MUCH SLOWER IN THE ROUNDABOUT.
UM, BUT THIS, THIS ONE IS LOOKING AT, UH, SINCE THERE'S SUCH A DESIRE FOR THIS ROUNDABOUT TO MAKE THE RIGHT TURN MOVEMENT, THAT'S THE PREDOMINANT MOVEMENT.
THIS WOULD BE LOOKING AT CHANNELIZING, THAT MOVEMENT TO MAKE IT AN EXCLUSIVE LANE FOR THE, THE WALMART SHOPPING CENTER.
AND THEN YOU WOULD START OFF WITH JUST A SINGLE LANE ROUNDABOUT AS YOU WORK YOUR WAY AROUND THE REST OF IT.
UM, 80% OF THE CRASHES AT THIS ROUNDABOUT WERE HAPPENING IN THAT QUADRANT RIGHT HERE.
SO WE FEEL CONFIDENT THIS WILL FIX THE CURRENT ISSUE.
UH, THIS ALSO IS, HAS A COUPLE OF, UM, WE'RE BUILDING OUT THE REST OF THE PEDESTRIAN NETWORK THAT FIX FILLING THE GAPS OF THE SIDEWALKS AND CROSSWALKS IN THIS AREA, JUST BECAUSE WITH THE HOTEL HERE, THERE'S MORE DEMAND FOR PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY GOING THROUGH THE ROUNDABOUT.
SO THAT'S THE SUMMARY OF EACH OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE SURVEY.
SO THE NEXT STEPS IS, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S, WE HAVE THE DR THE STUDY TEAM HAS THE DRAFT REPORT UNDER REVIEW NOW.
UM, IT'LL BE, IT SHOULD BE FINALIZED SOMETIME IN AUGUST.
UM, A TCS IS WORKING ON FINAL SKETCHES AND COST ESTIMATES TO SUPPORT THE SMART SCALE APPLICATIONS.
AND, UH, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH, WITH MATT TO DEVELOP, UH, LANGUAGE FOR THE RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT, UM, FOR YOU ALL TO CONSIDER THIS MONTH.
THE RESOLUTION SUPPORT IS A REQUIREMENT OF THE FINAL APPLICATION, UH, SUBMISSION ON AUGUST 1ST.
UM, AND I THINK IF WE COULD GO, DO YOU WANT ME TO GO THROUGH THE OTHER YEAH, IF YOU COULD AT LEAST GO AS, ESPECIALLY THE INTERSECTION ONE.
I HAVE THAT WAS THERE, UH, SOMEONE ELSE HAVE TO SWITCH THE P LET'S SEE IF I CAN, I DON'T, WE DON'T.
I MENTIONED THE, I MENTIONED THE REQUIREMENT FOR FHW FOR THE RAMP, SO YOU DON'T NEED TO PULL.
SO IF WE COULD JUST GET THE INTERSECT, WE FINE.
SO I SEE HERE, NEXT STEPS AUGUST 1ST SMART SCALE SUBMISSION DEADLINE.
SO WHAT EXACTLY WOULD YOU SUBMIT, SIR? SO AS I NOTED THE, THE COUNTY, WE'VE WORKED WITH THE COUNTY TO SUBMIT FOUR PRE-APP APPLICATIONS.
EACH, THE COUNTY IS ALLOWED TO SUBMIT FOUR PRE PRE-APP APPLICATIONS, AND THEN THOSE CAN ADVANCE AS FULL APPLICATIONS.
UH, ONE, WE WILL NOT BE ADVANCING BECAUSE OF THE GUARD HILL ROAD, NOT NOT HAVING SUPPORT FOR A TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
SO WE, THE COUNTY, WE'RE ASKING THE COUNTY TO, FOR YOU ALL TO CONSIDER A RESOLUTION TO SUBMIT THE TWO APPLICATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THE STUDY.
SO THE, THE MCDONALD'S ENTRANCE AND THE RAMP APPLICATION, AND THEN THE MODIFICATION TO THE EXISTING ROUNDABOUT.
THAT'LL BE THE SECOND APPLICATION.
AND THEN THIS IS THE THIRD APPLICATION.
IT'S A RESUBMISSION FROM AN APPLICATION LAST ROUND THAT WASN'T SUCCESSFUL FOR FUNDING.
UH, BUT IT'S, IT'S A TURN LANE IMPROVEMENT AT 55 WEST OF, OF FRONT ROYAL, UH, AT THE INTERSECTION OF FORT VALLEY ROAD AND BUCKS MILL ROAD.
UM, BDOT USES A HIGH LEVEL SAFETY SCREENING TOOL CALLED POTENTIAL FOR SAFETY IMPROVEMENT.
AND BASED ON THE CRASHES OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS, WE THINK THE ADDITION OF LEFT TURN LANES AND RIGHT TURN LANE IMPROVEMENTS WILL, WILL REALLY HELP AT THIS LOCATION.
SO THIS IS THE OTHER ONE THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON TO REFINE A LITTLE MORE FROM LAST ROUND.
SO HOPEFULLY IT'LL BE MORE COMPETITIVE, UH, IN THIS ROUND.
SO THIS NEEDS TO BE IN THAT RESOLUTION AS WELL.
AND THEY CAN ALL BE IN THE SAME RESOLUTION.
THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT, UH, WARREN COUNTY'S DONE IN THE PAST IS ONE RESOLUTION JUST LISTING THE APPLICATIONS.
MY QUESTION IS, DO WE NEED, IT'S A SHORT TURNAROUND TIME, BUT DO WE NEED TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ALL OF THESE BEFORE WE DO A RESOLUTION? I MEAN, I KNOW WE'VE HAD A SURVEY.
SO THAT IS A REQUIREMENT FOR THE RESOLUTION SUPPORT.
THE ONLY REQUIREMENT FOR THE RESOLUTION SUPPORT FROM A SMART SCALE STANDPOINT IS IT HAS TO BE CONSIDERED AT A PUBLIC MEETING.
WHICH I, A PUBLIC MEETING OR A PUBLIC HEARING, SIR.
IT'S NOT A REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING, JUST A PUBLIC MEETING.
IT'S A PUBLIC MEETING WITH ME.
SO THEY CAN ADOPT THE RESOLUTION WITHOUT A HEARING AS LONG AS IT'S ON THE AGENDA AT A PUBLIC MEETING.
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TOWN ADOPT THESE SINCE THEY'RE IN THE TOWN? SO WE HAVE ASKED THE, SINCE PARTICULARLY, OR THE, THE, SINCE THE MCDONALD'S COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IS IN THE TOWN, WE'RE NOT TOUCHING IT RIGHT AWAY.SO THE, THERE'S NO ACTUAL PROJECT IMPROVEMENT IN THE TOWN, BUT WE HAVE REQUESTED THE TOWN, AND I BELIEVE THEY ARE PREPARING A RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT AS, AS A ADJACENT LOCALITY.
JUST, IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT, BUT JUST TO SHOW THAT THEY SUPPORT THE APPLICATION AS WELL.
AND WHERE ARE THE OTHER TWO? UH, THE OTHER TWO IS THE ROUND, THE EXISTING ROUNDABOUT AT THE ENTRANCE OF WALMART.
SO THAT'S FULLY IN THE COUNTY.
AND THEN THE ONE HERE OUT 55 WEST, THAT'S FULLY IN THE COUNTY.
SO THERE'S GONNA BE THREE THAT GO PRE-APPLICATION THREE FROM THE COUNTY.
SO OUT, OUT ON 55 MCDONALD'S AND THE EXISTING ROUNDABOUT.
SO ALL THESE DOUBLE MCDONALD'S, THE MCDONALD'S ONE INCLUDES THE RAMPS TOO.
AND ALL THESE ONES ABOUT DOUBLE, WHICH BONE AND LADDER ARE NOT, OR WHAT WAS IT CALLED? THEY'RE JUST GONNA BOW TIE, DOG BONE, BOW TIE, BOW TIE, BOW TIE.
THERE'S ALSO A DOG BONE ROUNDABOUT, BUT THIS IS A BOW TIE
SO THOSE ARE JUST FOR OUR INFORMATION, JUST STUDY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WILL BE PART OF THE FINAL DELIVERABLE THAT FOR THE, FOR THE COUNTY TO CONSIDER THE FUTURE, NOT FOR THIS ROUND.
THAT'S WHAT I WANNA MAKE SURE.
YOU WON'T, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YEAH, I, I, I DEFINITELY WANT PUBLIC INPUT ON THOSE TWO.
YOUR RESOLUTION SUPPORT IS STRICTLY FOR THE APPLICATIONS, NOT FOR THE STUDY DOCUMENT ITSELF.
AND I HAVE A GENERAL QUESTION ON THAT.
UH, WHAT'S THE NAME OF THE ONE THAT WAS IMPLEMENTED BETWEEN THE BRIDGES OR FOR THE QUADRANT ROADWAY INTERSECTION AND, AND HOW HAS THAT EXECUTED OR BEEN RECEIVED OVER TIME? SO ACTUALLY, UM, THERE'S A WHOLE EFFORT BY VDOT STATEWIDE TO, UH, DO MORE PROMOTIONS ON INNOVATIVE INTERSECTIONS.
AND THERE'S THE CENTRAL OFFICE, CENTRAL OFFICE IS CURRENTLY CONDUCTING A STATEWIDE STUDY LOOKING AT BEFORE AND AFTER PERFORMANCE OF, UM, LOCATIONS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN DEVELOPED.
SO THEY'RE DOING QUITE A BIT OF PUBLIC OUTREACH, INCLUDING SURVEY, AND THAT REPORT'S SUPPOSED TO BE COMING OUT NEXT MONTH.
SO WE'LL HAVE AN ACTUAL DOCUMENT TO SHOW WHAT PUBLIC RE UH, RECEPTION HAS BEEN TO IT.
THAT'D BE, THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING THAT OKAY.
RESOLUTION WOULD BE ON YOUR AGENDA NEXT WEEK.
WOULD YOU WANT IT AS NEW BUSINESS OR JUST AS A YES.
AND I THINK, I THINK YOU SHOULD BE PREPARED TO SHOW, YOU KNOW, THIS.
I DO YOU WANNA SHOW ALL THIS? OR JUST THE ONES RELATED TO THE CONVERSATION? JUST THE ONE WE WE'RE DOING THE RESOLUTION ON.
UM, I, I THINK THAT, DON'T YOU AGREE? UM, NOW WHETHER YOU FEEL LIKE YOU NEED TO COME BACK TO EXPLAIN IT TO THE LENGTH, I'LL LEAVE THAT BETWEEN, YEAH.
I, I JUST WANT THE PEOPLE TO, TO BE ABLE TO SEE IT AND ASK QUESTIONS BEFORE WE VOTE ON IT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I DON'T THINK SO.
I APPRECIATE YOUR ALL TIME THIS EVENING.
[C. Discussion - Agreement of Cooperation between Warren County School Board and Warren County Board of Supervisors - Jane Meadows, Deputy County Administrator , Dan Lenz, Parks and Recreation Director]
THE AGENDA IS THE AGREEMENT OF COOPERATION BETWEEN WARREN COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD AND WARREN COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, MS. MEADOWS.AND I DON'T SEE MR. LENS HERE, SO YOU'RE GONNA DO THE WHOLE THING.
UM, SO I PROVIDED COPIES OF THE, UM, DRAFTED AGREEMENT OF COOPERATION BETWEEN THE SCHOOL BOARD AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
UM, THE CURRENT AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE HAS NOT BEEN UPDATED SINCE 2011, AND SO WE NEEDED TO UPDATE SOME OF THE TERMS WITHIN IT.
UM, OUR DEPARTMENTAL ALIGNMENT, UM, BETWEEN PUBLIC WORKS AND PARKS AND RECREATION HAVE CREATED SOME, UM, MODIFICATIONS THAT NEEDED TO BE MET HAD, UM, AND THEN WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE REITERATED SOME OF THE TIMING.
UM, THERE ARE VERY MINUTE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE.
BASICALLY IT'S A MATTER OF COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE SCHOOLS AND PARKS AND RECREATION.
UM, BUCK SMITH HAS BEEN VERY HELPFUL, UM, IN COORDINATING WITH THE ATHLETIC DIRECTORS SO THAT WE HAVE A REGULAR
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CADENCE NOW, WHICH I THINK THERE WAS SOME LAPSE IN COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE TWO HISTORICALLY.UM, SO BETWEEN PARKS AND RECREATION, THE ATHLETIC DIRECTORS, UM, AND BUCK WE'VE GONE THROUGH, UM, IN ORDER TO BASICALLY MAKE THE APPROPRIATE CHANGES.
SO IT WORKS FOR BOTH THE COUNTY AND FOR THE SCHOOLS.
UM, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE STILL IN ALIGNMENT WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REGARDING WITH SCHOOLS.
AS WE DEVELOP SCHOOLS, WE'RE INCORPORATING FACILITIES THAT HAVE RECREATION AS WELL.
UM, AND WITH THOSE AFTER THE SCHOOLS UTILIZE THE FACILITIES, PARKS AND RECREATION WOULD HAVE THE FIRST AVAILABILITY IN ORDER TO UTILIZE THOSE BEFORE ANY OTHER EXTERNAL ENTITIES ARE ABLE TO UTILIZE THE RESOURCES.
UM, WE'VE MET TWICE TO GO THROUGH THIS AND GONE BACK AND FORTH TO KIND OF IRON OUT SOME OF THE NUANCES BETWEEN HE'S PRESENTED.
UM, THIS TWICE, I BELIEVE, TO THE BOARD, UM, FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD.
UM, ONE OF THE MEMBERS HAS ASKED THAT THERE BE A PORTION PUT IN THERE ABOUT THE STADIUM BEING FUNDED BY THE SCHOOLS.
UM, I LET THEM KNOW THAT WE WOULD BE WILLING TO PUT THAT ALL FUNDING HAS BEEN BY THE TAXPAYERS OF WARREN COUNTY, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, WE DIDN'T FEEL THE NEED TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE FUNDING, UM, FOR THE STADIUM.
UM, I HAVE NOT HEARD BACK AS TO WHETHER THEY WISH TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
BUT, UM, THIS IS FOR YOUR READING PLEASURE.
IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO GO INTO THAT.
DAN IS ON VACATION THIS WEEK, UM, AND BUCK ACTUALLY RETIRED LAST WEEK.
SO, UM, ANYTHING THAT DOES COME UP, WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO KIND OF WORK OUT.
IF YOU NEED THE RED LINED COPY TO SEE WHAT DATES CHANGED AND WHERE THE DEPARTMENT'S CHANGED, WE CAN SEND THAT.
BUT ONE QUESTION I HAVE, UM, AND, AND I WANNA GET WITH MR. HELMICK TO GO AROUND, UM, WHEN I WAS LOOKING FOR THOSE TENNIS COURTS, UH, I REALIZED, ESPECIALLY AT WARREN COUNTY, THAT WAS THE ONE I HAD A HARD TIME FINDING.
UM, THERE'S A, THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, FIELDS FOR ACTIVITIES OR CAN, AND THE FIRST THING THAT COMES TO MY MIND IS THE INADEQUACY WE HAVE FOR GIRLS SOFTBALL TO BE ABLE TO PRACTICE AND PLAY.
I'M ASSUMING SINCE BOTH SCHOOLS HAVE A SOFTBALL, GIRL SOFTBALL TEAM THAT THEY'RE THERE, CAN, ARE WE GONNA BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THOSE ON WHEN THE SCHOOLS ARE NOT USING THEM FOR THOSE? OR ARE THEY OFF LIMITS? THEY ARE CURRENTLY STILL OFF LIMITS, UM, WITH ATHLETIC DIRECTORS.
THEY HAVE CERTAIN THINGS THAT THEY ARE WORKING ON THE FIELDS WITH.
SO THEY WOULD ARE REQUESTING THAT WE NOT USE THE GREEN SPACE.
UM, AT THIS CURRENT TIME, IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT OTHER FIELDS THAT WE HAD THE LOWER PORTION OF 15TH STREET THAT WAS A FIELD AND IS CURRENTLY JUST GRASS, UM, BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN MAINTAINED.
UM, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME ALTERNATE SOFTBALL FIELDS.
UM, AND ACTUALLY IN GOING THROUGH THE FIELD USAGE, IT'S NOT FOR THE SOFTBALL LEAGUE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH, IT'S THE TRAVEL TEAM THAT WASN'T ABLE TO UTILIZE IT.
UM, SO THAT'S WHERE WE KIND OF STOPPED PUSHING THAT.
NO, NO, I'M, I'M, LOOK, I'M LOOKING AT THE GIRLS THAT PLAY HERE, RIGHT? UM, I MEAN, NOT, I, I UNDERSTAND TRAVEL'S A BIG THING AND WOULD BE A BIG BOON TO THE COMMUNITY, UH, AS FAR AS RESTAURANTS AND HOTELS AND THINGS.
BUT, UM, WE NEED TO, TO FIGURE OUT, TO TAKE CARE OF THE PEOPLE HERE BEFORE WE CAN, UM, INCORPORATE OTHERS EXPAND TO THAT, THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WARREN COUNTY PEOPLE COME FIRST AND, AND I JUST WANNA KNOW, THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP SEVERAL TIMES THAT THE GIRLS' SOFTBALL IS LIMITED.
SO I, I JUST WONDERED ABOUT THAT.
BUT I, I KNOW THE FIELDS ARE A TOUCHY SUBJECT, SO VERY DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT HAD BEEN WORKED OUT, SO THANK YOU.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S OVERLAP WITH, UM, THE, THE HIGH SCHOOLS AND CHRISTEN, I, I THINK THERE'S NO OVERLAP WITH THE CARDINALS, BUT IT DOES TALK ABOUT THE SCHOOLS HAVING RIGHT OF FIRST REFUSAL FOR SUMMER PROGRAMS AS WELL.
AND SO I'M WONDERING IF THAT WOULD DISRUPT THE CARDINALS OR ANY, ANYTHING.
YOU KNOW, PARKS AND REC AND THE SCHOOLS HAVE REALLY WORKED WELL TOGETHER IN ORDER TO COORDINATE TIMES.
UM, AND SO THERE REALLY ISN'T ANY OVERLAP OR DISRUPTION.
I THINK THAT, UM, WEATHER PLAYS A LARGER PART IN THAT MM-HMM.
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LATE START TO THE SEASON.AND SO PEOPLE WEREN'T ABLE TO GET IN PRACTICE TIME BEFOREHAND, SO THEY WERE TRYING TO CATCH UP.
UM, GRANTED THIS YEAR IT HAS NOT BEEN WET
UM, SO WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF MAKEUP GAMES, BUT WHEN WE RUN INTO WET SEASONS, IT DOES BECOME A PROBLEM, UM, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE BACKUP FACILITIES.
UM, MM-HMM,
AND THEN THIS, UM, THIS AGREEMENT HERE, IS IT GOING TO CHANGE ANY BUDGETS FOR ANY OF OUR DEPARTMENTS THAT WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED? I MEAN, THE SCHOOL'S NOT GONNA COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, THIS MOU WE JUST SIGNED, THAT MEANS WE NEED $50,000 MORE FROM YOU TO DO X, Y, Z.
NO, THERE'S NONE OF THAT IN THIS.
[D. Discussion - Ordinance to add to the Warren County Code Article XXIV in Chapter 160 to impose Cigarette Tax - Alisa Scott]
NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS ORDINANCE TO ADD TO THE WARREN COUNTY CODE ARTICLE 24 IN CHAPTER ONE 60 TO IMPOSE CIGARETTE TAX.UH, THIS IS GOING TO BE A NEW ORDINANCE, AN ADDITIONAL REVENUE STREAM FOR THE COUNTY.
UH, SO WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED IS A RESOLUTION TO ADD TO THE ORDINANCE.
UM, IT IS GOING TO BE TAX ON CIGARETTES 20 CENTS PER, UM, CIGARETTE, OR I'M SORRY, 2 CENTS PER CIGARETTE.
UM, SO THAT DEPENDS ON HOW MANY, IS IT A PACK? AND, UM, THIS IS GOING TO BE IMPLEMENTED BY THE COMMISSIONER'S OFFICE.
AND ALSO EVERYTHING WILL GO THROUGH THE COMMISSIONER'S OFFICE.
OUR COMMISSIONER, MS. SO IS NOT HERE TONIGHT.
UM, BUT I'M SPEAKING ON HER BEHALF THAT SHE IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT THIS, UM, ONCE IT IS APPROVED BY THE BOARD.
AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE ABOUT THIS.
QUESTIONS OF MS. SCOTT ON THIS.
REMIND THE BOARD, THIS IS PART OF THE FINANCE FOR NEXT YEAR.
IT IS NOT A BUDGET ITEM RIGHT NOW.
WE WANTED TO GET SIX MONTHS TRACTION WITH IT A LITTLE BIT, SO, SO WE CAN DETERMINE HOW TO PROJECT THE REVENUES LOOKING.
OUR, ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORS IS GOING TO BE INTRODUCING THIS, UH, APPROXIMATELY SIMULTANEOUSLY, THEIR ATTORNEY AND OUR ATTORNEY TALK A LOT SINCE HE TALKS TO HIMSELF.
AND SO THEY ARE ANTICIPATING $150,000 IN SIX MONTHS.
SO WE ARE ANTICIPATING UP TO $200,000 IN SIX MONTHS.
UH, AND WE'RE JUST GONNA SEE HOW IT FLOWS.
UM, MOST ALL OF THE JURISDICTIONS EXCEPT ONE IN THAT COUNTY HAVE A SEPARATE TAX.
SO THE COUNTY'S ONLY GONNA COLLECT FROM ONE MAIN TRUCK STOP AREA IN THE COUNTY, UH, OVER THERE.
AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LITTLE BIT LARGER BASE, WE BELIEVE, AND WE'LL SEE HOW THAT WORKS.
IF THIS WILL BE PART OF YOUR PLANNING FOR THE 26TH BUDGET IS WHAT IT'S FOR.
BUT WE WILL BE GETTING, ONCE WE APPROVE THIS ORDINANCE, WE'D BE STILL GETTING REVENUE FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR, BEGINNING IN JANUARY, BEGINNING IN JANUARY.
SO WE'LL JUST HAVE, SO WE'LL HAVE ONLY SIX MONTHS, WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE BIT TO START TO SEE HOW IT, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AND MM-HMM,
IT'S GONNA BE MORE OF YOUR, UH, YOUR CUSHION WHEN SOMETHING COMES IN SHORT, LIKE WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO, YOU WOULD HAVE THIS AS A BASE TO HELP FILL THAT IN.
THE MORE, THE MORE PEOPLE PAY A LITTLE BIT, THE LESS ANY IN ONE SECTOR HAS TO PAY A LOT.
THIS HELPS TO LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD A LITTLE BIT.
AND ALSO WILL HELP US WITH OUR DECISION FOR OUR TAXES FOR NEXT YEAR.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.
[E. 2024-2025 BOS Goals Update - Jane Meadows]
ON THE AGENDA IS THE 20 24, 20 25, UH, BOARD GOALS[01:30:01]
AN UPDATE, MS. MEADOWS, THE SECOND PACKET THAT I GAVE EACH OF YOU IS AN UPDATE OF, UM, THE FIRST PAGE IS A LIST OF THE GOALS, UM, AS PRIORITIZED BY THE BOARD.AND THEN THE FOLLOWING DOCUMENTS IS AN UPDATE FOR THE TOP 10.
I FIGURED, UM, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO KIND OF SHOW YOU WHERE WE'RE AT AND WHERE WE'RE GOING.
UM, SO THE PROJECT THAT IS THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY IS THE FIRE AND RESCUE STRATEGIC PLAN.
UM, WITH THAT IT'S TO INCLUDE, UM, A FIRE AND RESCUE CAPACITY PLAN, A 15 YEAR PLAN FOR, UM, FIRE APPARATUS AND EEMS EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT.
UM, THE INCREASE OF STAFFING LEVELS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY BY DEVELOPING A FORMULA, UM, BASED OFF OF DEVELOPMENT INDUSTRY STANDARDS, UH, TRAINING ACADEMY, UM, CANCER PROTECTION INITIATIVES, UM, AND ALSO THE FIRE AND RESCUE FUNDING TASK FORCE.
SO WITH THIS, UM, FIRE AND RESCUE HAS BEEN ABLE TO START THE PROCESS FOR RFPS FOR THE, UM, CAPACITY PLAN.
UM, WITH THAT IT IS CURRENTLY OUT TO BID.
IT ACTUALLY CLOSES ON THE 11TH.
UM, AND I WANTED TO PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE WORK GROUP.
SO, UM, I'VE LISTED ALL OF THE MEMBERS OF THE WORK GROUP WHO WILL BE ASSESSING ALL OF THE BIDS THAT ARE RECEIVED AND THEREFORE WAITING THEM IN ORDER TO INTERVIEW THE TOP THREE TO SELECT THE, UM, VENDOR WHO WILL BE COMPLETING THE STUDY.
UM, WITH THE, UM, WITH THE STUDY, WE'RE ANTICIPATING THAT THE FINAL FINAL VENDOR WILL BE, UM, PRESENTED TO THE BOARD IN AUGUST FOR APPROVAL.
UM, AND THAT FOLLOWING THE APPROVAL OF THE VENDOR, IT WILL TAKE APPROXIMATELY SIX MONTHS FOR THE STUDY TO BE COMPLETED.
AND THEN THAT INFORMATION PRESENTED TO THE BOARD FOR THE 15 YEAR, UM, APPARATUS PLAN.
CURRENTLY WE ARE OPERATING OFF OF AN IMMEDIATE REPLACEMENT PLAN.
UM, RATHER THAN BEING ABLE TO PLAN OUT THE FULL 15 YEARS, UM, WE DO FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO WAIT AND GET THE INFORMATION FROM THE CAPACITY STUDY BEFORE WE START MOVING ON SOME OF THE OTHER ITEMS. UM, AND IT TIES INTO THE STAFFING LEVELS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, WHICH ARE VERY MUCH DRIVEN FROM THE NFPA STANDARDS.
UM, AND THEN THE DEMOCRA DEMOGRAPHICS AND TRENDS.
OUR LOCALITY IS VERY UNIQUE IN THAT WE ARE IN A VALLEY AND WE HAVE MOUNTAINS.
UM, SO YOU HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT NUANCES THAT CAN CREATE CHALLENGES AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S INCLUDED IN THIS FULL STUDY.
THE TRAINING ACADEMY, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT PROBABLY FOR THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF WE'VE DISCUSSED WHETHER TO DO A COMBINED TRAINING ACADEMY WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE OR INDIVIDUAL TRAINING ACADEMIES.
UM, THERE HAS BEEN CONTINUED CONVERSATIONS, UM, WITH THE SCHOOLS AS TO WHETHER IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO AN ACADEMY THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE TECHNICAL CENTER AND DO MORE CAREER PATHING, UM, FOR STUDENTS.
IF YOU GO INTO OUR COMMUNICATIONS CENTER, YOU'LL REALIZE A LOT OF NEW GRADS IN THERE.
UM, SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE ARE CREATING REALLY CAREER PATHS.
UM, AND THIS WOULD BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO TIE TOGETHER AND BENEFIT ALL THREE AREAS.
SO IS THIS JUST ACADEMICS? NO, THERE WOULD ACTUALLY BE PRACTICAL AS WELL.
SO DOES THIS TIE INTO THE PUBLIC FACILITY, UM, AREA THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT OUT IN BENTONVILLE? SO THAT IS FOR AN IMMEDIATE NEED WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
SO THAT, I MEAN, SHE'S LOOKING AT THAT, BUT LONG-TERM PLANS, UM, 'CAUSE I DO BELIEVE THAT A TRAINING ACADEMY BASED OFF OF SHANNON DO'S DEVELOPMENT FOR ONE, IT WOULD PROBABLY TAKE US CLOSE TO FIVE YEARS TO FUND IT, TO GET IT UP AND RUNNING FOR ALL THREE, UM, DEPARTMENTS.
I BELIEVE THAT THE SHERIFF IS LOOKING AT SOMETHING MUCH SOONER THAN THAT.
SO LIKE THREE TO FIVE YEARS WE MAY BE LOOKING AT A DIFFERENT LOCATION, LOCATION WISE YET TO BE SEEN.
IT WOULD DEFINITELY TAKE A WOW FOR US TO FIGURE OUT SIZE.
WE WOULD, WE WOULD CONSIDER THAT RIGHT, RIGHT.
'CAUSE CURRENTLY FIRE AND RESCUE HAS BEEN UTILIZING ESA LANE.
UM, AND UNFORTUNATELY WE HAD A COUPLE FIRES UP THERE,
BUT WE REALIZE THE, THE NEEDS HAVE SHIFTED AND KIND OF WHAT IS NEEDED.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER ANYONE FROM FIRE AND RESCUE WANTS TO SPEAK TO SOME OF THE SPECIFICS WITH TRAINING, BUT LOOKING AT VARIOUS TECHNIQUES OF IDENTIFYING HOW WE CAN GO IN AND SAVE PEOPLE AND WHAT TO LOOK FOR.
UM, AND ALSO WE DO A LOT OF TRAINING ACROSS THE STREET.
SO IF WE'RE DOING THINGS IN DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE COUNTY, DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO HAVE ONE CENTRAL LOCATION.
AND YOU CAN TEST BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF, UM, SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES WHO ARE FIRST RESPONDERS ON FIRES AND THEN HOW COMMUNICATIONS DISPATCHES, UM, FIRE CALLS IN ADDITION TO
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LAW ENFORCEMENT CALLS.SO REALLY HAVING IT AS A MORE CONSOLIDATED WOULD BE HELPFUL IN THE LONG RUN.
UM, THE CANCER PROTECTION, UM, INITIATIVES, I THINK ALL OF YOU ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH OUR ANNUAL PHYSICALS.
UM, THE CLIMB EVENT INSTALLATIONS WE'RE ACTUALLY WORKING ON, UM, I KNOW RIVERMONT RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE IN PROCESS AND WE'RE CONTINUING TO ENSURE THAT ALL OF OUR STATIONS HAVE THE CLIMB EVENT, UM, INSTALLATIONS, UM, THIS YEAR FOR FY 25, THE SECOND SET OF TURNOUT GEAR.
SO IF SOMEBODY RESPONDS TO A FIRE, WHICH IN THE LAST THREE DAYS WE'VE HAD QUITE A FEW, UM, THEY'RE ABLE TO ACTUALLY HAVE A CLEAN SET OF PPE TO CHANGE INTO IF THEY GET CALLED OUT FOR ANOTHER CALL, UM, RATHER THAN PUTTING DIRTY CLOTHES.
UM, AND THEN WITH APPARATUS DESIGN, I THINK AS YOU ALL, UM, HAVE THE NEW FIRETRUCK FOR LYNDON, UM, WHEN THEY HAVE IT FULLY OUTFITTED AND YOU'RE ABLE TO DO A TOUR, IT'LL BE VERY INTERESTING FOR EACH OF YOU TO SEE HOW PART OF THAT DESIGN IS ACTUALLY TIED INTO THE CANCER PREVENTION.
UM, I WAS VERY SURPRISED AND VERY IMPRESSED WITH IT.
UM, AND THEN ALSO AS WE GO INTO FACILITIES, SO AS WE UPDATE OR DESIGN NEW FACILITIES, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE DOING THEM WITH THE CANCER PREVENTION MEASURES IN PLACE.
SO MAKING SURE THAT WE DO HAVE SEPARATE LIVING QUARTERS FROM APPARATUS, UM, THAT WE HAVE EQUIPMENT STORAGE AREAS THAT ARE TRULY SEPARATED.
UM, AND THEN DECONTAMINATION AREAS, UM, AND VENTILATION SYSTEMS THAT ARE APPROPRIATE.
AND ONE, ONE QUESTION GOING BACK TO NUMBER ONE.
IS, IS THIS THE, IS THIS, ARE WE DOING TWO STUDIES OR ONE STUDY? ONE STUDY.
SO PART OF THE CAPACITY STUDY OR PLAN WILL ALSO HAVE A STAFFING PLAN IN IT AS WELL? CORRECT.
SO WE'RE NOT DOING TWO DIFFERENT, NO.
IF I MIGHT ADD FOR JUST A SECOND, THE BIG OVERALL THING IS THE CAPACITY.
AND THEN ALL OF THESE FALL INTO SUBSECTIONS OF IT.
BUT IT'S ONE COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH THAT SO THAT WHEN, RATHER THAN PICK AND CHOOSE, WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT DO WE NEED FOR THE WHOLE PICTURE? THE BIG PICTURE.
AND SO THE FINAL PART OF THE PLAN IS HOW DO WE PAY FOR IT? UM, THAT'S PROBABLY THE, THE BIGGEST AND SOMEWHAT MOST IMPORTANT.
UM, SO PART OF THE STUDY IS FUNDING.
UM, SO WE WANT TO HAVE THE VENDOR, IF THEY'RE SAYING YOU NEED TO DO X, Y, Z, WE WANNA KNOW HOW THEY PROPOSE THAT WE PAY FOR IT.
UM, AND THEN ALSO LOOKING AT DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING, DIFFERENT GRANT PROGRAMS, UM, DIFFERENT POSSIBILITIES THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED REGARDING A FIRE TAX OR A TAX LEVY FOR IT.
UM, SO WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO BASICALLY WHAT THE STUDY PRESENTS, HOPEFULLY SOME IDEAS THAT WE'VE NOT THOUGHT OF, UM, AND BEING ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE REALLY DOING SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY COST EFFECTIVE.
AND KEEPING IN MIND WHO HAS TO PAY FOR IT.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE RESPECTFUL OF OUR TAXPAYERS.
SO IF I COULD PUT 2 CENTS WORTH IN, THEN I WANNA REMIND THAT RIGHT NOW UNDER THE STATE, UM, PROVISIONS, WE CAN HAVE A REAL ESTATE TYPE TAX.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE JURISDICTIONS, WHEN WE HAD THE REPORT THAT, UH, CHIEF KO DID, THE JURISDICTION SAYS, REAL ESTATE TAX 55 CENTS, FIRE TAX 9 CENTS.
IN REALITY, IT'S 64 CENTS ON REAL ESTATE.
WE REALLY NEED TO BE TALKING TO OUR FRIENDLY LOCAL LEGISLATORS ABOUT SALES TAX EARMARKED SPECIFICALLY FOR PUBLIC SAFETY BECAUSE OUR EARMARK, OUR PUBLIC SAFETY COSTS KEEP INCREASING SO MUCH BECAUSE OF ALL THE ADDITIONAL TOURIST PEOPLE WE HAVE THAT WE BRING IN.
AND WE WANT ALL THE TOURIST PEOPLE, BUT THEY ADD TO OUR EXPENSES THERE IN PUBLIC SAFETY.
AND IF WE CAN DILUTE THE COST SO THAT EVERYBODY PAYS SOMETHING
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FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, THEN AGAIN, NOBODY HAS TO BE LOOKING AT A LOT JUST THEMSELVES.AND THAT KEEPS IT FROM ALL GOING TO THE PROPERTY TAX, WHICH IS RIGHT NOW WHAT THE BOARD IS LEFT WITH.
SO WHAT WOULD BE OUR TIMEFRAME TO REACH OUT TO OUR LOCAL LEGISLATURES? I WOULD, I THINK YOU SHOULD BE TALKING TO THEM INDIVIDUALLY.
ONE-ON-ONE NOW, I THINK YOU SHOULD BE TALKING TO THEM, UH, AND HELPING THEM TO REALIZE THE IMPORTANCE.
THE BROAD BASE OF SALES TAX REAL ESTATE IS VERY REGRESSIVE.
YOUR SALES TAX IS MUCH MORE PROGRESSIVE.
AND IF YOU DON'T WANNA PAY THE TAX, DON'T BUY IT.
IF YOU DON'T BUY IT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY THE TAX.
AND WE'VE HAD JURISDICTIONS IN THE STATE THAT HAD, THE POPULATION HAS VOTED TO INCREASE THEIR SALES TAX, TWO THIRDS, 67% OF THE VOTERS IN A SPECIAL ELECTION THAT NOBODY COMES TO, EXCEPT IF YOU'RE OPPOSED TO SOMETHING.
AND THEY ALL CAME OUT 67% AND VOTED FOR IT.
AND THE STATE STILL REJECTED IT.
AND SO YOU NEED TO BE LOBBYING YOUR STATE LEGISLATORS NOW AND WORKING THAT ON A CONSTANT BASIS, THE NEED FOR A BROADER BASE RATHER THAN PUSHING EVERYTHING BACK TO REAL ESTATE AND PERSONAL PROPERTY.
SO THE STATE ITSELF, CAN I ASSUME THAT THERE IS NO COUNTY THAT HA HAS ABLE TO DO THIS, THAT HAS A, A SALES TAX, SALES TAX FOR PUBLIC SAFETY? RIGHT? THERE IS NOT, THERE IS NOT, THERE ARE SPECIAL EXEMPTIONS FOR OTHER AREAS THAT HAVE A SALES TAX, BUT NOT PUBLIC SAFETY.
RIGHT NOW IT'S PRIMARILY EDUCATION AND EDUCATION CAPITAL.
AND IT COULD BE PUBLIC SAFETY CAPITAL JUST AS WELL.
WOULD A SALES TAX, UH, EXCLUDE THE TOWN BOUNDARIES BUSINESSES THEREIN? NO, SIR.
WELL FOR WHATEVER IT'S WORTH, I KNOW DR.
DALEY HAS BROUGHT THIS UP MANY, MANY TIMES.
AND, UM, MADAM CHAIR, I DON'T KNOW IF MAYBE WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, SELECT A COUPLE OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS TO START LOBBYING.
I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I LOBBY ALL THE TIME.
A FORMER SUPERVISOR WHO'S NOW YOUR STATE REPRESENTATIVE.
SO THIS STILL, SO THE COMMUNICATION HAS ALREADY STARTED, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? I, I'VE TALKED TO HER ABOUT, UM, SEVERAL ISSUES AND I'D BE GLAD TO TALK TO HER.
YOU KNOW, WARREN COUNTY IS STILL SPLIT, SO, UM, MRS. OATES REPRESENTS PART AND, UM, MR. GILBERT, THE OTHER PART.
SO, AND THEN WE HAVE, UM, SENATOR FRENCH AS WELL.
SO, AND I DON'T THINK IT WOULD HURT TO REACH OUT TO, UM, DELEGATE WILEY 'CAUSE HE USED TO BE PART OF OUR REPRESENTATION OR, UM, MICHAEL WEBERT AS WELL.
'CAUSE HE USED TO BE PART OF OUR REPRESENTATION.
SO SPREAD THE WEALTH AND THERE'S LOTS OF JURISDICTIONS WITH THE SAME PROBLEM.
THIS IS NOT OUR BOAT ALONE IN WATER.
AND, UM, WHY, LET'S SAY A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IS GENERATED OFF OF ALL THE RESIDENTS OF WARREN COUNTY, BUT WE MAY GET 25,000 OF THAT BACK.
WHY CAN'T ALL OF THE MONEY GENERATED STAY HERE? UM, I NEED TO CONTACT THEM AGAIN BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T EVEN AWARE THAT THAT WAS DONE.
UM, MY NEWEST GRANDSON WHO WAS BORN JULY 4TH AT, UM, THE HOSPITAL IN MANASSAS, I HONEST TO GOODNESS, I'M GLAD MY HUSBAND DROVE BECAUSE I WOULDN'T HAVE, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHERE I WAS UNTIL I SAW THE OLD BARN THAT'S NOW A BREWERY ON BALLS FORD ROAD.
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AND THEN I WAS LIKE, OKAY, I GOT MY LANDMARK HERE.BUT NOTHING, THEY HAVE BUILT SO MANY ROADS DOWN THERE AND, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN'T GET A DIRT ROAD AND PROVE TO A TAR AND SHIP ROAD.
UM, SO IT, TO ME, IT'S, IT'S THE POPULATION DOWN THERE.
IF THEY KEPT ALL THEIR MONEY, THEY, THEY ARE, THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO TEAR A BRIDGE DOWN EVERY FIVE YEARS AND REPLACE IT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I, I JUST, SO, AND I'M, I'M MORE THAN WILLING TO REACH OUT TO VACO AGAIN ABOUT THIS TO, BUT I CAN'T SAY I'VE HAD A WHOLE LOT OF, UH, FEEDBACK ON THAT FROM THEM EITHER.
SO THERE YOU DON'T, THERE'S NOT A PROBLEM FOR ME REACHING OUT ON ME.
NOT A PROBLEM FOR ANY OF US LIKE THAT.
WE, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE SAME MESSAGE AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA SAY SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THE MESSAGE IS, CAN WE IMPOSE, UM, WOULD IT BE A PUBLIC SAFETY OR PUBLIC SERVICE? WELL, I DON'T WANNA PUT, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC SAFETY TO ME COVERS FIRE AND RESCUE AND LAW ENFORCEMENT.
PUBLIC SERVICE COULD BE THE ELECTRIC AND, YOU KNOW, THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
I DON'T WANT TO SAY THE WRONG THING AND GIVE 'EM THE WRONG IMPRESSION.
SO IT SHOULD STAY THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
IF IT'S ON THE TOWN AND THEY HAVE THEIR OWN POLICE DEPARTMENT, SHOULD WE CALL IT LIKE A FIRE AND RESCUE TAX SINCE WE PROVIDE THAT SERVICE TO THE TOWN? YEAH.
WELL, SALES TAX, UM, THE TOWN RECEIVES APPROXIMATELY 19%.
UM, RIGHT NOW OF, THERE'S A PORTION THAT IS GOES FOR TO THE COUNTY FOR SCHOOLS.
AND THEN THERE IS WHAT GOES TO THE COUNTY.
FOR THE COUNTY AND THEN 19% BASED ON THE SCHOOL AGE POPULATION.
SO I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT IF THIS WAS A PUBLIC SAFETY LEVY, THAT A PORTION OF IT WOULD GO TO THE TOWN FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.
THERE WOULD BE THE SAME TYPES OF RESTRICTIONS THAT THERE WOULD BE ON US, UM, HOW IT IS USED IN THAT.
BUT THE, THE KEY, THE KEY MESSAGE IS TO DIVERSIFY THE REVENUE.
SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO, THEY DON'T MAKE YOU RELY ON ONE SOURCE.
I MEAN, UM, YOU KNOW, TRAVELERS UP AND DOWN 66, HOW MANY WRECKS DO THEY RESPOND TO? UM, THAT'S RIGHT.
IT'S, AND THOSE PEOPLE ARE NOT ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS OF WARREN COUNTY.
SO I, I GET THAT, THAT DIVERSIFIES THAT OUT.
AND SINCE WE'RE TALKING PUBLIC SAFETY, I JUST WANNA SAY THESE GUYS HAD A HORRIBLY BUSY WEEKEND.
UM, MULTIPLE THINGS AT MULTIPLE TIMES.
AND UM, I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A WONDERFUL JOB.
I KNOW YOU HAD
'CAUSE I DID NOT WANNA WAKE YOUR WIFE BY TEXTING YOU AT THREE IN THE MORNING.
BUT, UM, THEY, THEY, THEY HAD A A LOT THIS WEEKEND AND I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU ALL DID AND I SAW SOME VERY UGLY REMARKS.
AND YOU JUST HAVE TO REMEMBER, YOU CAN'T CURE STUPID.
SORRY, I JUST HAD TO SAY THAT BECAUSE IT WAS A VERY UGLY REMARK, AN UNNECESSARY REMARK THAT I SAW ON FACEBOOK.
UM, IF YOU GUYS CAN'T SAVE A HOUSE, IT'S NOT BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T TRY.
WHEN A HOUSE IS FULLY INVOLVED BEFORE YOU GET THERE, THE BEST YOU CAN DO IS TO KEEP IT FROM BURNING THE OTHER PEOPLE'S HOUSES NEXT DOOR.
AND YOU DID THAT AND I APPRECIATE IT.
AND I'M SURE THE NEIGHBORS OF THAT, THOSE PARTICULAR HOUSES, UH, APPRECIATE THAT AS WELL.
MULTIPLE HOUSES NEXT TO EITHER ONE OF THESE EVENTS DID NOT BURN DOWN FROM MY UNDERSTANDING.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? IF NOT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE DISCUSSION OF VMWARE COST INCREASES WITH IT DEPARTMENT, JUST THE WORK COST INCREASE.
SO WE'RE NOT GONNA FINISH THE UPDATES.
SO WITH PROJECT NUMBER, THE OTHERS WILL GO MUCH QUICKER, I PROMISE.
UM, THE SECOND PRIORITY IS THE A FIVE YEAR PUBLIC SAFETY NEEDS ASSESSMENT.
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SO THIS IS A MORE COLLABORATIVE, UM, PROJECT.UM, IT'S LOOKING AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE FIRE AND RESCUE AND, UM, DSS SPECIFICALLY PROTECTIVE SERVICES IN ORDER TO SEE WHAT IS NEEDED IN ORDER FOR THE THREE DEPARTMENTS TO WORK WELL COHESIVELY.
AND IN THE LONG RUN, UM, THEY ARE IN THE VERY EARLY STAGES OF REALLY DEVELOPING WHAT EXACTLY THEY'RE NEEDED.
UM, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT HAS, UM, SOME SIGNIFICANT NEEDS THAT SHE HAS WAS ABLE TO IDENTIFY EARLY ON.
UM, THE GROUP HAS RECOGNIZED THAT THEY ARE ALL HAVING STRUGGLES WITH COMPENSATION.
UM, I KNOW DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS, I THINK DSS WAS THE FIRST ONE TO START TALKING ABOUT PAY AND BENEFITS.
UM, WE'RE RUNNING INTO, UM, LOSING FIRST RESPONDERS IN ALL THREE OF THESE DEPARTMENTS, UM, IN ORDER TO BASICALLY COMPETE WITH OUR NEIGHBORS.
SO THAT IS A NEED THAT WE ARE VERY MUCH AWARE OF THE COMMUNICATIONS INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE REALIZE IS GOING TO BE A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT, UM, BECAUSE IT IS SOMETHING OF MAKING SURE THAT OUR FIRE AND RESCUE AND OUR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT ARE ON THE SAME SYSTEM CURRENTLY.
THEY OPERATE TWO DIFFERENT WAYS.
UM, AND ACTUALLY THE, UM, COMPLETE UPGRADE, UM, WE'RE TALKING A LOT OF MONEY.
UM, UM, WE WERE TALKING ESTIMATES AND NO ONE IS REALLY QUALIFIED TO GIVE AN ESTIMATE, UM, BASED OFF OF THE SCOPE OF IT.
SO IT WOULD BE A LONGER TERM PROJECT.
UM, MULTI-YEAR PLANNING FOR IT.
UM, THE TRAINING FACILITY, SO IT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, UM, LOOKING AT ONE THAT WOULD REALLY INCORPORATE ALL ASPECTS OF PUBLIC SAFETY.
UM, AND THEN ALSO STAFFING NEEDS.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE DRIVING OUR STAFFING NEEDS OFF OF DATA, UM, AND THE INDUSTRY STANDARDS THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO OUR LOCALITY.
SO AS WE CONTINUE TO DEVELOPMENT WHAT WE'RE OR DEVELOP, WE'RE ABLE TO PLAN FOR THEM AND REALLY MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING AND KNOWING WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THE LONG RUN.
UM, SO I'VE LISTED SOME OF THE ITEMS SPECIFIC TO THE DEPARTMENTS.
UM, WITH THAT, UM, REALLY ONCE WE GET THROUGH AUGUST, WE SHOULD HAVE A MORE SOLID PLAN OF WHAT THIS PROJECT WILL BE AND WILL ENTAIL.
AND SO WHEN WE GIVE THE BOARD AN UPDATE, UM, IN THE EARLY FALL, I'D BE MUCH MORE COMPREHENSIVE WITH PRIORITY NUMBER THREE.
I'M GOING TO, OH, BEFORE, BEFORE WE MOVE ON, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN, IN HERE FOR EQUIPMENT, VEHICLES, EQUIPMENT, THAT KIND OF THING FOR THE FIVE YEAR PROJECTION BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN FULLY FLUSHED OUT, THAT'S WHY.
SO, BUT DID I MISS IT HERE IN THE, THE DOCUMENT THAT IT IS A, UM, A CONSIDERATION? I DON'T, I JUST DON'T SEE IT HERE.
SO WE DON'T HAVE THE FULL PROJECT SCOPE WRITTEN NOW.
THAT'S BASICALLY OH, JUST STARTING.
OH, THIS IS JUST A, A STARTING.
SO EVENTUALLY WE'LL BE SEEING EQUIPMENT.
IT WILL BE A LOT MORE INVOLVED WHEN YOU GET AN UPDATE IN THE EARLY FALL.
SO IT SAYS FULL SCOPE TO BE DEVELOPED IN AUGUST 31ST, 2024.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'LL SEE THE BIG PICTURE.
UM, FOR PROJECT NUMBER THREE, THIS IS THE ALTERNATE, UM, EGRESS BASICALLY TO THE SHORES, UM, AND FUNDING OPTIONS.
SO I'M GOING TO ASK IF MS. KOHLERS OR MR. STAN MEYER WOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION REGARDING THE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE, UM, TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE.
I KNOW THAT VDOT HAS HAD A CONVERSATION REGARDING EMERGENCY ACCESS AND POSSIBLE PARALLEL ACCESS AND I DIDN'T KNOW HOW MUCH INFORMATION YOU ALL COULD SHARE.
WELL ON THAT ONE, UM, AT OUR LAST MEETING, MATT SMITH CAME AND I ASKED HIM WHERE WE WERE BECAUSE THE PRIOR MEETING, UM, MR. CARTER SAID THAT HE SHOWED US A DIAGRAM OF WHAT THEY WERE GONNA DO, BUT THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE PERMISSION OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SINCE IT'S A FEDERAL HIGHWAY.
SO I ASKED MATT WHERE THEY WERE WITH THAT AND THEY HADN'T SUBMITTED THAT AT THAT POINT.
SO WE'RE STILL WAITING, UM, TO SEE IF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S GONNA ALLOW VDOT TO DO THAT.
AND IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING THE LOCAL, UM, VDOT GUYS CAN DO A SIMPLE, UM, DIRT, I MEAN A GRAVEL ENTRY FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD TO GO UP AND CUT A GATE IN THE GUARDRAIL SO THAT THEY CAN GET IN FROM THAT MEDIUM STRIP.
'CAUSE THE GROUND ACTUALLY COMES RIGHT UP.
SO YOU CAN DRIVE UP THERE, IT'LL HAVE GATES AT THE BOTTOM.
HAVEN'T THE OPCON SYSTEM, I THINK WAS MAYBE OFF THE CHART THERE FOR RIGHT NOW.
UM, BUT AT LEAST YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING TO KEEP AVERAGE PERSON FROM DRIVING UP.
AND THEY WERE GOING TO, UH, THEY WERE GONNA MOVE AN
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EXISTING AUTHORIZED VEHICLE ONLY, UH, CUT, CUT, CUT ACROSS ON THE MEDIAN IN 66, MOVE IT, I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH, LIKE HALF A MILE OR SO TO BRING IT, TO BRING IT TO WHERE THEY NEED TO DO THIS.AND THEN, UH, THEN THE, UH, RAMP THAT THEY CREATE, WHICH BASICALLY GRAVEL AS CHERYL SAID, WOULD, WOULD CUT DOWN FROM BETWEEN THE TWO BRIDGES AND HIT A T INTERSECTION WITH THAT, WITH THAT AUTHORIZED VEHICLE ONLY CUT OVER GATES ON BOTH SIDES, LIKE SHE SAID.
UH, THE OTHER POSITIVE THING IS, IS THAT, UM, WE DID GET THE ENDORSEMENT OF THE COLLEGE ABOUT THIS AND, UM, NOT THAT THAT MOVES THE NEEDLE IN TERMS OF GETTING IT APPROVED, BUT THEY COULD HAVE BLOCKED IT, UH, OR AT LEAST CREATED A LOT OF POLITICAL RESISTANCE IF THEY HAD WANTED TO.
UM, AND UH, I THINK WE EASED SOME OF THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT THE, UH, THE LONG-TERM FUTURE OF THAT AND WHICH, UH, ED CARTER WAS PHENOMENAL FOR THAT.
UM, AS FAR AS, UM, THE EAST WEST CONNECTOR, THAT ONE IS STILL A WORK IN PROGRESS AND, UM, HOPEFULLY AT THIS NEXT MEETING WILL HAVE, UM, MORE OF THE LANDOWNER DEVELOPERS THERE TO, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST MY GOAL IS THAT THE DEVELOPERS DEVELOP AND PAY FOR THE ROAD.
UM, WITHOUT IT, THEY'RE KINDA LANDLOCKED AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS TO BE THERE IN ORDER TO DO ANYTHING.
SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA PUT A BURDEN ON THE, UM, THE TAXPAYERS TO IMPROVE A ROAD THAT, SORRY, BUT JUST HONESTLY, THE, THE DEVELOPERS ARE THE ONES THAT BENEFIT FINANCIALLY FROM SO, UM, AND I'VE BEEN VERY EARNEST WITH THEM ABOUT THAT.
THE ONES WHO HAVE COME AND, AND THEY'VE REALLY BEEN RECEPTIVE TO IT, I THINK THEY REALIZE THAT THEY'VE GOTTA HAVE SOME BUY-IN, IN ORDER TO DO ANYTHING 'CAUSE THEY ARE LANDLOCKED.
AND I CAN GIVE YOU A BETTER UPDATE.
UM, WE HAVEN'T HAD, UH, ALL OF THEM IN THE ROOM FOR A WHILE.
UM, THEY WERE A LITTLE MORE ACTIVELY PARTICIPATING, UM, BEFORE THE TOWN TURNED DOWN, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF INFRASTRUCTURE PROBLEMS, THE DEVELOPMENT THERE.
SO I THINK, UM, I THINK THEY'RE STARTING TO GET THE FEEL THEY NEED TO COME BACK AND HAVE MORE DISCUSSION.
SO WE'LL UPDATE YOU ON THAT AFTER OUR NEXT MEETING.
BUT THAT, THAT'S BASICALLY, IT'S A SLOW PROCESS AND WE HAVE WORKED, ADAM HAS COME, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THOSE PROJECTS, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN GOING ON, SMALL SCALE, PEOPLE ASK ABOUT SIDEWALKS.
I THINK THERE'S SOME PROGRESS ON THE SIDEWALK SIDE, SIDE OF THINGS AND SO FORTH WITH THE TOWN.
SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, SLOWLY MOVING, BUT IT'S MOVING.
SO I THINK, I THINK WE'RE HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
THE NEXT PROJECT IS, UM, THE FINANCIAL STRATEGY.
UM, WITH THIS, THE FINANCE COMMITTEE HAS BEEN WORKING ON FINANCIAL POLICIES PERTAINING TO THE VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENTS AND THE APPROVAL PROCESSES.
UM, THAT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BE, THE DRAFT IS GONNA BE PRESENTED TO THE, UM, FIRE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, I BELIEVE THE END OF JULY.
UM, IN ORDER FOR THEM TO REVIEW IT, UM, AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK.
UM, THE FINANCE COMMITTEE IS ALSO WORKING ON THE SANITARY DISTRICT POLICY, UM, IN ORDER TO LOOK AT CONSISTENT FEE ADMINISTRATION MANAGEMENT, UM, AND THEN UPDATING THE PROCUREMENT POLICY AND ALSO THE PCARD USAGE POLICY.
UM, THAT IS ONE SMALL PORTION OF WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
SO, UM, AS THEY CONTINUE TO MOVE IT FORWARD, WE WILL SEE IT COMING BEFORE THE BOARD AND ADD ADDITIONAL, UM, TOPICS THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON.
UM, I KNOW THAT THE TREASURER HAS BEEN REQUESTED TO PROVIDE, UM, DELINQUENCY PAYMENTS AND ALSO CASH BALANCES, UM, IN THE COUNTY BANK ACCOUNTS, UM, IN ORDER FOR US TO HAVE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
AND YOU HAD FURTHER INSIGHT, YOU WERE GROWING UP
I WAS JUST GONNA ASK, ARE WE STILL ON FOR THE FIRE CHIEF'S ADVISORY MEETING ON THE 24TH? YES.
CAN WE GET THAT A COUPLE OF DAYS AHEAD OF TIME SO WE CAN READ IT TO BE ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS AND SO FORTH BEFORE? SO THAT'S NOT, WE'LL HAVE A MEETING AT THE FIRE CHIEF'S ADVISORY STAFF ON THE 24TH.
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ISSUE THAT OUT TO ALL OF THE RESPECTIVE STATIONS, CHIEF AND PRESIDENT ON THE 24TH, AND THEY WILL MEET WITH THE FINANCE AND AUDIT COMMITTEE ON THE 29TH.SO THIS IS NOT GONNA BE A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION AT THE CHIEF'S MEETING.
YEAH, WE'LL JUST DO A BRIEF OVERVIEW, PROVIDE BACKGROUND, AND THEY WILL, BECAUSE THE FIRE CHIEF'S ADVISORY STAFF IS SO BROAD, AND THIS IS SPECIFIC TO THE VOLUNTEER STATIONS, SO WE'LL MEET SEPARATELY WITH THE RESPECTIVE STATIONS AFFECTED BY US.
INCLUDING OUR AUTOMATIC COUNTY, COUNTY FUNDING STATIONS.
I JUST ALWAYS LIKE TO GET IT IF IT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING, SO I CAN READ IT AHEAD OF TIME, BUT THANK YOU.
SO WHAT HAPPENED TO OUR GOAL OF TWO YEARS AGO OF, UM, SOMEHOW IMPROVING OUR FINANCIAL SYSTEM? IT IS STILL A GOAL.
UM, IT'S JUST, I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S IN THE TOP 10, SO IT'S FURTHER DOWN ON THE LIST.
SO WE, WE REDUCED IT FROM A ONE FROM 20, WHAT PAST TWO YEARS.
SO NOW HOW LOW IS IT RANKED? LIKE THAT'S OKAY.
I'M LIKE, UH, DID I, I BELIEVE IT'S ACTUALLY LOOPED INTO THE, UM, ACTUALLY ITEM THE INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY SURVEY.
SO IF YOU READ THE TOTAL LINE ON THAT, IT'S ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.
UM, IT IS TO INCLUDE THE SOFTWARE NEEDS ALONG WITH FINANCIAL SOFTWARE UPGRADE, UM, AND INTEGRATIONS INTO ASS 400.
WELL, IF I COULD PUT MY 2 CENTS OF HOW ARE THE PRIORITY, I MEAN, THIS LAST WEEK OR THE WEEK BEFORE, I FOUND OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE STILL DOING MANUAL ENTRIES FROM OUR LABOR INTO OUR FINANCIAL SYSTEM TO PRODUCE REPORTS.
I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT THAT AT A HIGHER PRIORITY BECAUSE IF YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST WHAT I'M ENVISION INVIS EN VISITING OF WAY I UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS.
THERE'S SOME TYPE OF GAP BETWEEN THE TIMES TIMEKEEPING SYSTEM AND OUR FINANCIAL SYSTEM.
SO WE HAVE TO MANUALLY GO INTO OUR FINANCIAL SYSTEM TO UPDATE, YOU KNOW, TO PUT THE, TO PUT THE DATA INTO THE SYSTEM IN ORDER TO PRODUCE AN EXPENDITURE REPORT THAT WE HAVE TO APPROVE AND IT'S PRESENTED TO THE PUBLIC.
SO THAT IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF THE FINAL STEPS.
SO WHEN WE HAVE A EXPORT FILE FROM PAYROLL, UM, IN ORDER FOR IT TO TALK TO AS 400, THERE ARE CERTAIN ERRORS THAT FLAG.
AND SO THOSE ERRORS ARE THE ITEMS THAT, UM, MS. SCOTT IS HAVING TO GO IN AND MANUALLY MANIPULATE.
SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH A VENDOR IN ORDER TO CORRECT THOSE.
UM, OUR GOAL WAS TO JULY 1ST, AND WE STILL HAD, I THINK ABOUT TWO ERRORS THAT WE WERE WORKING THROUGH AT THE END OF THE WEEK.
UM, SO WE ARE ANTICIPATING THAT BEING COMPLETED, IF NOT THIS WEEK, THEN NEXT WEEK.
SO IT SHOULD BE, UM, BASICALLY A SMOOTH INTEGRATION.
SO AGAIN, I, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO IMPROVE ON OUR FINANCIAL SYSTEM.
YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, UH, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, MS. KOHLERS IS, YOU KNOW, HAS POINTED OUT MANY, MANY TIMES OF THE REPORTING CAPABILITIES OF THIS.
AND TO, TO PUT IT, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK IT, THIS IS JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION, I THINK IT'S IF EQUIVALENT TO THE CAD SYSTEM FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, IN MY OPINION.
AND SO IF YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, RE-LOOK AT IT, YOU KNOW, IT IS, AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE REALIZE IN LOOKING AT THE ASS 400 SYSTEMS SPECIFICALLY BRIGHT, THAT WE WEREN'T NECESSARILY USING ALL OF THE CAPABILITIES OF THE SYSTEM.
UM, SO THE FINANCE TEAM, INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY, REALLY ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS WHO UTILIZE THE SYSTEM ARE DIGGING INTO WHAT THEY ACTUALLY NEED AND WHAT BASICALLY HAS TO BE INPUTTED.
'CAUSE WE REALIZED THAT WHEN IT WAS SET UP, SOMEONE WANTED ONE THING AND THEY FOCUSED ON THAT ONE THING RATHER THAN UTILIZING THE FULL SUITE IN ORDER TO GET ALL OF THE DETAILS.
SO NOW, UM, WE'VE BEEN WORKING AT IMPLEMENTING ADDITIONAL THINGS IN ORDER TO WORK THROUGH THAT, BUT IT IS A PROCESS.
UM, MS. SCOTT HAS BEEN WORKING WITH ALL OF THE MEMBERS OF HER TEAM IN ORDER TO REALLY EMBRACE THAT.
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AND WHEN YOU HAVE OTHER OPERATING SYSTEMS, SO THAT'S WHERE THE GAP IN THE REPORTING.SO WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO, BECAUSE IT IS A HUGE UNDERTAKING.
IF YOU HAVE IT, JUST WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED RIGHT NOW IS STILL MANUAL.
IT'S STILL MANUAL, IT'S NOT AUTOMATED.
YOUR FIXES ARE AUTOMATED, ARE NOT AUTOMATED.
WELL, AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE WORKING TO GET TO AN AUTOMATED SYSTEM.
AGAIN, THAT'S WHY I WAS WONDERING WHERE IT WAS ON THE PRIORITY LIST.
UM, SO PROJECT NUMBER FIVE, THAT IS TO INCREASE TOURISM OPPORTUNITIES AND ECONOMIC GROWTH.
SO THE LARGEST FOCUS RIGHT NOW HAS BEEN GETTING THE TOURISM WEBSITE UP AND RUNNING.
UM, SO WE ACTUALLY TODAY WE'RE ABLE TO GET THE DOMAINS TIED.
UM, AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY GO TO THE LINK ON HERE IN ORDER TO BRUISE THE WEBSITE BEFORE IT GOES LIVE.
WE'RE WORKING THROUGH SOME OF THE FINAL KINKS.
UM, ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS IS MAKING SURE THAT IT DOES LINK TO SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTALS SO THAT WE'RE ABLE TO DRIVE THE RENTALS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY AND THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.
UM, WE THINK THAT WILL REALLY HELP TO DRIVE TOURISM HERE.
UM, THERE ARE OTHER LOCALITIES THAT PRETTY AMAZING AND WHAT THEY'RE ABLE TO DRIVE THROUGH TOURISM, SO WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO KIND OF PIGGYBACK OFF OF THAT.
I, I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT WEBSITE.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, DID SHORT-TERM RENTAL OWNERS HAVE TO OPT IN TO BE REFLECTED ON THAT PAGE? OKAY.
'CAUSE I, I, I SUCK A PEEK AS SOON AS I SAW THE URL THIS EARLIER TODAY.
I KNOW WE HAVE FAR MORE THAN THAT.
WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF PULLING THAT INFORMATION IN AND GETTING PERMISSIONS.
AND THEN SECONDLY, I JUST NOTICED ABOUT, UM, FOR, FOR RESTAURANTS, UM, I SAW THE, THE SELECTION OF RESTAURANTS THAT ARE ON THERE.
UM, IT'S JUST THE FACT THAT THE, THE BETTER RESTAURANTS ARE EITHER IN THE TOWN OR THEY'RE JUST OUTSIDE THE COUNTY BOUNDARIES.
I WAS WONDERING IF WE WANT TO INCLUDE SOME OF THOSE BETTER RESTAURANTS, EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT IN THE COUNTY BECAUSE THEY HELP BRING TOURISM HERE IN GENERAL.
AND SOME OF THAT MONEY WILL COME TO THE COUNTY.
UH, RIGHT NOW THE RESTAURANT'S OFFERING ON THERE IS NOT, NOT THE MOST IMPRESSIVE.
YOU HAVE TO STAY OVERNIGHT, SIR.
UM, WITH THIS IS TO ESTABLISH A DEADLINE TO COMPLETE THE AUDITS AND RECONCILE COUNTY AND TOWN DEBT, AND THEN WORK WITH THE EDA TO RECOVER LOSS FUNDS.
UM, ELIMINATE OR REDUCE THE COUNTY'S TAX BURDEN FROM THE FRONT ROYAL WARREN COUNTY EDA DEBT OBLIGATION.
UM, WITH THIS, THE COUNTY HAS STOPPED PAYING, UM, ANY PAYMENTS TOWARDS THE EDA DEBT.
UM, THERE REMAINS NO ACTION FROM THE TOWN REGARDING, UM, THE DEBT PAYMENTS.
AND THAT IS ALL THAT WE'RE PREPARED TO DISCUSS CURRENTLY.
ANY QUESTIONS THEN? NOTICES WERE RECEIVED TODAY AT THAT MR. HAM TOLD YOU TO ANTICIPATE? SO THEY HAVE ARRIVED.
THE NEXT PRIORITY IS OUR INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY SURVEY.
UM, SO THAT IS THE COMPREHENSIVE NEEDS ASSESSMENT, UM, ALONG WITH THE TIMELINE FOR SOFTWARE NEEDS.
AND WITH THE PRIORITY BEING ON FINANCIAL SOFTWARE UPGRADE AND THE INTEGRATION WITH ASS 400, UM, THE TEAM IS STARTING TO REALLY DEVELOP THAT.
UM, THIS PROJECT SCOPE IS SOMETHING THAT IS STILL IN THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPMENT, UM, BASED OFF OF THE FINANCIAL NEEDS.
MS. SCOTT IS CONTINUING TO WORK INDEPENDENTLY WITH, UM, MR. JONES IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANNA WAIT.
UM, SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS IN PROGRESS FOR PRIORITY NUMBER EIGHT.
THIS IS, UM, REALLY DERIVING ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY THROUGH THE EVALUATION OF WORK BREAKDOWNS AND FUNCTIONAL BASELINE AND COUNTY FUNCTIONS.
UM, AND DETERMINING WHAT WORK PROCESS PROCESSES CAN BE AUTOMATED OR STREAMLINED.
SO WITH THIS, WE ARE OPTING TO LOOK AT EACH INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENT AS WE HAVE VACANCIES IN ORDER TO ASSESS BASICALLY DOES A POSITION NEED TO BE FILLED? DO THEY NEED TO BE REALIGNED? UM, SO WE STARTED LOOKING AT, UM, PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT WITH THE DEPARTURE OF OUR DEPUTY PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR.
UM, WE ARE REVIEWING THE WORKLOAD FOR MULTIPLE, UM, LAYERS OF POSITIONS IN ORDER TO DETERMINE THE APPROPRIATE ALIGNMENT.
UM, IT IS CURRENTLY STILL UNDER REVIEW AND DISCUSSION WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
WITH THE DEPARTURE OF OUR DIRECTOR.
UM, WE DECIDED THAT IT WAS PROBABLY MORE IMPORTANT THAT WE HIRE A COORDINATOR IN ORDER TO HANDLE THE ADMINISTRATIVE ASPECTS OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAN A DIRECTOR AT THAT POINT.
AND THE TOURISM MANAGER WOULD REPORT TO THE DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR RATHER THAN TO A DIRECTOR AT THAT POINT.
UM, WITH PARKS AND RECREATION, WE'VE HAD
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A RETIREMENT OF, UM, TWO STAFF MEMBERS, SO AN OFFICE ASSOCIATE AND ALSO THE UPCOMING RETIREMENT OF OUR DIRECTOR.UM, WE OPTED TO ELIMINATE THE ADMINISTRATIVE ROLE.
WE FELT THAT THERE WERE SOME REDUNDANCY THERE.
UM, AND FOR FY 25, THAT POSITION WAS ELIMINATED.
UM, WITH THE DIRECTOR, WE'VE REVISED THE POSITION DESCRIPTION AND HAVE EXPANDED THE SCOPE OF RESPONSIBILITY FOR, UM, CHILDREN'S SERVICES.
WE HAD THE, UM, COMPREHENSIVE SERVICES COORDINATOR, UM, LEAVE THE COUNTY AND WE EVALUATED THE ALIGNMENT OF CSA AND FELT THAT IT WOULD BE, UM, BETTER SUITED TO BE UNDER DSS WITH SIMILAR OVERSIGHT AND REGULATIONS.
UM, AND WITH THAT WE ALSO REALIZED THAT DSS HAS MORE ADMINISTRATIVE CAPABILITIES IN ORDER TO SUPPORT THE POSITION.
SO WE WERE ABLE TO ELIMINATE A PART-TIME, UM, EMPLOYEE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT.
UM, SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WILL BE ONGOING.
UM, WE ARE LOOKING AT MORE SO THE CORE DEPARTMENTS, UM, WITH CONSTITUTIONAL DEPARTMENTS, THERE'S A LITTLE MORE NUANCE TO IT, SO WE DON'T HAVE AS MUCH OVERSIGHT.
SO DO YOU THINK THAT, UM, BECAUSE OF THE DEPARTURE OF THE CSA COORDINATOR, THAT THE DSS DEPARTMENT HAS ENOUGH STAFF TO ABSORB HER POSITION? NOT THE POSITION.
UM, THE POSITION IS STILL NEEDED.
UM, BUT THE ADMINISTRATIVE HELP, 'CAUSE THEY HAVE A SOLID ADMINISTRATIVE TEAM THAT IS ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT SUPPORT.
UM, PRIORITY NUMBER NINE IS, UM, REALLY LOOKING AT COUNTY REVENUE AND EXPENSE.
MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE MAKING INFORMED DECISIONS ON THE STRATEGIC GROWTH, UM, AND THEN FOCUSING ON GROWTH AREAS, UM, WITH ALREADY ESTABLISHED SERVICES.
SO WITH THAT, WE'RE LOOKING AT CONTINUING TO GROW ON THE 5 22 CORRIDOR, UM, RATHER THAN INVESTING AND HAVING TO IMPLEMENT ADDITIONAL SERVICES IN OTHER AREAS OF THE COUNTY, UM, FOR COMMERCIAL GROWTH.
AND PRIORITY NUMBER 10 IS EVALUATING UNTAPPED POTENTIAL AT THE AIRPORT.
UM, WITH THIS, UM, WE WE'RE ABLE TO HAVE, UM, MR. BERRY AND PARTNER WITH TEAM AT THE AIRPORT, AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT NOT ONLY CURRENT, BUT ALSO POTENTIAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT CAN BE MADE AT THE AIRPORT.
UM, THEY'VE REVIEWED THE CAPITAL PLANS AND ARE LOOKING AT RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE COMMISSION, UM, MEMBERS AND THE USERS.
THEY'VE BEEN EVALUATING POTENTIAL WAYS TO USE THE AIRPORT FOR ECONOMIC GROWTH, UM, AND REALLY EVALUATING AND BUILDING ADDITIONAL HANGERS AS NEEDED.
I THINK SEVERAL OF YOU PARTICIPATED IN THE WINGS AND WHEELS EVENT, ALONG WITH SEVERAL HUNDRED VISITORS IN THE COUNTY.
UM, AND THEN, UM, MR. BUTLER, I'M GONNA MURDER PAUL'S LAST NAME, SO I'LL JUST CALL HIM PAUL.
AND, UM, MR. BERRY, WE'RE ABLE TO, UM, SIT DOWN AND REALLY REVIEW THE RULES THAT WERE GONE OVER WITH YOU ALL TONIGHT.
UM, THE INCREASE IN FUEL SALES, SO WITH THE COUNTY TAKING THAT OVER.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE THE FLIGHT TRAINING STARTING.
UM, THERE HAVE BEEN REALLY A LOT OF POSITIVE MOVEMENT WITH THE AIRPORT AND CONTINUING, CONTINUING ECONOMIC GROWTH.
UM, THE APPROVAL OF GRANTS FOR ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT, UM, AND THEN THE PRELIMINARY APPROVAL BY THE FAA, UM, FOR THE USE OF INFRASTRUCTURE FUNDING FOR HANGERS.
UM, SO MR. BARRY'S BEEN WORKING ON THAT VERY DILIGENTLY.
UM, IT IS SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE CONTINUING TO BE SELF-SUFFICIENT AND TO GROW, AND HE'S DONE A LOT TO CONTINUE TO MOVE THAT FORWARD.
THEY'RE STILL AN ENTERPRISE ACCOUNT.
SO THEIR REVENUE COMES FROM THEIR LEASES AND HANG, YOU KNOW, HANGAR, LEASES, FUEL, ALL THAT GOES BACK INTO THEIR ACCOUNT.
ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS? THIS IS REALLY GREAT.
SO ARE WE GONNA GET THIS MONTHLY, QUARTERLY? WHAT? QUARTERLY.
AND I HAVE, I APPRECIATE ALL YOU DO.
YOU'VE, YOU WEAR A LOT OF HATS HERE AND, UM, AND YOU DO A GOOD JOB OF IT, SO THANK YOU.
I THINK I'M RIGHT TO SAY, MR. JONES, WE CAN TALK ABOUT YOUR COST INCREASES.
YEAH, I DON'T MIND IF HE STARTS THEN I'LL BE, I'LL BE QUICK.
YOU WANT ME TO WAIT A SECOND? YEAH, I'M HAPPY TO WAIT.
IF WE NEED A FEW MINUTES BREAK, WE CAN DO THAT.
YEAH, LET'S, LET'S WAIT UNTIL ABSOLUTELY.
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SEE I CAN HEAR YOU.[F. Discussion - VMWare Cost Increases - I.T. Department - Todd Jones]
ALL RIGHT, MR. JONES, FINALLY YOUR TURN.APPRECIATE EVERYBODY TAKING A MOMENT TO ALLOW ME TO SHARE SOME OF THE CHALLENGES WE'RE RUN INTO WITH, UM, THE IT DEPARTMENT.
UM, UH, THIS, THE ISSUE I'M GONNA DESCRIBE TO YOU IS A GLOBAL ISSUE GOING ON RIGHT NOW WITH VMWARE.
AND, UH, I'M GONNA DO MY BEST TO DESCRIBE IT AS BEST I CAN TELL YOU WHAT WE'RE FINDING AND, UH, TELL YOU WHERE WE STAND WITH THINGS.
UM, THE COUNTY CURRENTLY USES 22 VIRTUAL SERVERS SEPARATED ACROSS FOUR PHYSICAL SERVERS.
SO WE HAVE FOUR PHYSICAL VMWARE SERVERS, 22 VIRTUALIZED SERVERS ON THOSE MACHINES.
ONE PHYSICAL VMWARE SERVER STARTED FAILING ABOUT A MONTH AGO.
UM, WHEN WE STARTED TRYING TO RESEARCH WHAT THE PROBLEM WAS, WE FOUND OUT THAT THERE WAS A LICENSING ISSUE WITH VMWARE SPECIFICALLY.
UM, WE, UM, WE, WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT SAME EXPERIENCE WITH THE OTHER THREE.
UM, WHEN WE DISCUSSED IT AT LENGTH WITH, UH, DELL AND CONTACTED THEM AND SAID, HEY, WE PURCHASED A FIVE YEAR LICENSE FROM YOU.
WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, WHY THIS SYSTEM WENT DOWN.
DELL COMMENTED THAT BROADCOM, WHO IS THE NEW OWNER OF VMWARE, HAS BASICALLY LOCKED THEM OUT OF THEIR LICENSE ACTIVATION PORTAL, WHATEVER THAT IS.
UM, AND THEREFORE IT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO ACTIVATE THE LICENSE, SO WE'RE LOCKED OUT OF THE MACHINE.
WE CONTACTED BROADCOM AND SAID, HEY, WE NEED TO ACTIVATE THIS MACHINE.
IT THE, UH, ONE, IT HAD ONE VIRTUAL SERVER RUNNING ON IT SPECIFICALLY WORK, WORKING WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
UM, AFTER ABOUT A WEEK OF TRYING TO GO BACK AND FORTH, WE REALIZED WE WEREN'T GETTING ANY SOLUTIONS FROM THEM.
SO WE STOOD UP A, AN ACTUAL, UM, BARE METAL SERVER IN ITS PLACE TO, UH, GET THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE WHAT THEY NEEDED.
WE'VE CONTINUED TO DISCUSS THINGS WITH BROADCOM AND VMWARE TO FIND OUT WHAT THE PROBLEM IS.
AGAIN, BROADCOM BLAMES DELL, DELL BLAMES BROADCOM AND NOBODY SEEMS TO HAVE A SOLUTION.
UM, BROADCOM SEEMS TO BE HAVING A VERY DIFFICULT TIME MANAGING THEIR SOFTWARE RELATED TO VMWARE.
THE, THE WHOLE TRANSITION BETWEEN THE TWO COMPANIES HAS GONE VERY POOR.
UM, AT THE SAME TIME WE THOUGHT MAYBE THE EASIEST THING TO DO IN THE SHORT TERM WAS TO RE-LICENSE THE EXISTING SERVER.
SO WE STARTED GETTING QUOTES ON HOW MUCH THE, A NEW LICENSE FOR THAT SERVER WOULD COST.
WHEN WE PURCHASED A SERVER FROM DELL, IT HAD A FIVE YEAR VMWARE LICENSE ON IT.
UM, ONE YEAR OF VMWARE LICENSING FOR ONE SERVER WAS ABOUT $900 AT A TIME.
WE'RE BEING TOLD NOW THAT THAT SAME LICENSE IS $5,000.
AND IN ACTUALITY, I FOUND OUT EARLIER THIS WEEK THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE FOUR SERVERS AND NOT THREE, IT DRIVES A PRICE UP ABOVE $7,000.
UM, SO $7,000 TIMES FIVE TIMES FOUR, YOU CAN DO THE MATH.
IT GETS REALLY EXPENSIVE, REALLY FAST.
UM, AT THE SAME TIME, BROADCOM DOES NOT HAVE A SOLUTION FOR RENEWING LICENSES.
AND WE, WE ACTUALLY, I ACTUALLY HAD A DISCUSSION WITH SOMEONE, UM, LAST WEEK AND THEIR, THEIR SERVICES FOR V FOR VMWARE WERE PREVIOUSLY ABOUT NINE $90,000.
AND NOW THEY'RE BEING TOLD IT'S $960,000 FOR THE SAME PRODUCT.
UM, AND SO THEY'RE, EVERYBODY'S PRETTY FRUSTRATED WITH VMWARE ACROSS THE BOARD.
UM, MY HOPE AND MY EXPECTATION IS THAT WE CAN GET THE FIVE YEAR LICENSE RENEWED PROPERLY ON THE EXISTING SERVER THAT WE HAVE BECAUSE WE'VE TAKEN THE ONE VIRTUAL MACHINE THAT WAS ON IT OFF OF IT.
IT'S NOT INCR, IT'S NOT A CRITICAL THING RIGHT NOW.
WE CAN LEAVE IT DOWN FOR A BIT WHILE WE WAIT FOR THEM TO FIGURE OUT THE SOLUTION.
UM, AND AGAIN, DELL IS CONSISTENTLY TELLING US TWO OR THREE WEEKS MORE AND WE GET TWO OR THREE WEEKS DOWN THE ROAD AND THEY TELL US TWO OR THREE WEEKS MORE.
SO WE'RE WORKING ON A SOLUTION, UM, AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN.
WE HAVE DISCUSSED WITH SEVERAL DIFFERENT PEOPLE, UM, LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVES TO VMWARE.
UM, THERE ARE SEVERAL OPEN SOURCE V OPEN SOURCE VM SOLUTIONS, BUT I WOULDN'T PUT AN OPEN SOURCE SOLUTION IN HERE IN A, IN A GOVERNMENT AGENCY THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE INAPPROPRIATE TO DO.
UM, THERE ARE SEVERAL SOLUTIONS OUTSIDE OF VMWARE, BUT THAT ALL THOSE SOLUTIONS REQUIRE US TO BASICALLY PURCHASE ALL NEW HARDWARE.
SO THE FOUR SERVERS THAT WE HAVE WOULD BE KICKED ASIDE.
WE'D HAVE TO BUY FOUR NEW SERVERS OR ALL NEW HARDWARE OF SOME SORT.
AND THAT WHOLE OPTION IS COST PROHIBITIVE AS WELL.
UM, I'M HERE TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
I'M NOT LOOKING FOR ANY FUNDING AT THIS POINT.
I'M JUST, UH, MAKING YOU AWARE OF THE SITUATION.
I'M REALLY HOPING AND EXPECTING THAT WE WON'T NEED ANY FUNDING THAT WE'LL GET, UH, DELL AND, AND, UH, BROADCOM TO DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO, BUT WANT TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF THE SITUATION FOR THE SERVER THAT BROKE DOWN.
HOW MANY YEARS INTO THE FIVE YEARS WERE WE? ABOUT NINE MONTHS.
SO THERE'S FOUR YEARS AND CHANGE LEFT? YES, SIR.
UM, DEPENDING ON HOW LONG IT TAKES DELL TO RESOLVE THIS, IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE STILL NEGOTIATING THEIR OWN TERMS WITH BROADCOM.
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MM-HMM.I I SAW THE 500% AND I WAS LIKE, WHAT IN THE WORLD? AND I WENT AND GOOGLED THIS.
I CAME ACROSS SEVERAL ARTICLES THAT IT'S THEIR WHOLE NEW PRICING MODEL IS TRYING TO CROWD OUT THE SMALL TO MEDIUM USERS, RIGHT.
UH, BY REQUIRING MINIMUM NUMBERS OF CORES AND, AND ALL THESE OTHER THINGS.
AND IT DID SEEM LIKE ANYWHERE FROM TWO X TO 10 X IS THE NORM.
UM, THERE IS APPARENTLY THOUGH A BACKLASH GROWING THAT I, I SAW AND IT SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE THERE ARE MORE, UM, I DON'T KNOW, LIKE OPPORTUNISTS THAT ARE COMING IN TO OFFER SOLUTIONS OR, YOU KNOW, UM, THERE WAS ONE COMPANY I SAW THAT, THAT SAID, WE CAN GET YOU INTO LIKE A HYBRID TYPE SOLUTION THAT INVOLVES SOME BARE METAL, BUT YOUR OVERALL COST WOULD BE CHEAPER.
AND I DON'T KNOW, I I JUST WATCHED THIS CAREFULLY.
WE, I THINK THE MARKET IS REACTING.
UM, I THINK THEY'VE OVERPLAYED THEIR HAND.
THERE, THERE IS A HUGE BACKLASH OCCURRING AND I THINK THAT, UM, I, I, MY, MY INTENTION WITH DELL SPECIFICALLY IS TO NOT ASK THEM TO BACKDATE IT.
I WANT A WHOLE NEW FRESH FIVE YEAR LICENSE.
I, THAT'S MY INTENTION WITH THEM.
UM, IF THEY'RE TELLING ME THAT I HAVE TO RE-LICENSE THE WHOLE THING AND I BOUGHT A FIVE YEAR LICENSE, THEY CAN PAY FOR ANOTHER FIVE YEAR LICENSE FOR IT.
IT'S NOT MY ISSUE, IT'S THEIRS.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, UH, WE'RE EXPECTING, THERE'S SEVERAL COMPANIES, THIS WHOLE THING IS BUILT ON A PRODUCT CALLED A HYPERVISOR.
AND THERE'S SEVERAL COMPANIES THAT MAKE DIFFERENT TYPES OF HYPERVISORS AND WE'RE EXPECTING ONE OF THEM TO COME AROUND AND SAY, WELL, THIS IS A PROBLEM WITH VMWARE.
SO INSTEAD OF YOU HAVING TO PURCHASE OUR PROPRIETARY EQUIPMENT, WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU A LICENSE TO USE THIS HYPERVISOR SPECIFICALLY ON STANDARD EQUIPMENT.
THEREFORE ALLOWING US TO USE A NEW SOFTWARE PACKAGE ON OUR EXISTING HARDWARE.
SOMEBODY'S BOUND TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT AT SOME POINT.
THE QUESTION IS, WILL THAT HAPPEN FIRST OR WILL BROADCOM AND DELL AND THESE OTHER VENDORS GET THEIR PORTION STRAIGHT FIRST? SO YEAH, I THINK WHEN ANYBODY DOES THIS, THEIR INTENTION IS TO VACATE A CERTAIN SECONDMENT OF THE MARKET.
AND THEY SEEM TO BE DOING JUST THAT.
UH, ALSO I THINK IN TERMS OF OPEN SOURCE, I MEAN YOU BASICALLY HAVE A PROBLEM THAT YOU HAVE AN ISSUE RIGHT NOW THAT NEEDS TO BE SOLVED AND THE MARKET WILL PRODUCE SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, COMING ALONG.
BUT IN TERMS OF OPEN SOURCE, I WOULDN'T ENTIRELY CLOSE THE DOOR.
I THINK OF OFTENTIMES OF, UH, WHAT COMPANIES DO IS THEY ESSENTIALLY BUILD A, A SERVICE OFFERING AROUND AN OPEN SOURCE PRODUCT.
SO THEY, THEY, IT'S OPEN SOURCE, THEY GATE IT OFF.
THEY HARDEN IT AND THEN THEY PROVIDE A, A NICHE SERVICE AROUND IT.
SO YEAH, THAT MAY MATERIALIZE, BUT, UM, IT SEEMS EVEN, I KNOW WE'RE, THIS IS NOT FEASIBLE.
I'M JUST GONNA MENTION IT ANYWAY.
I MEAN, YOU HAD A LICENSE AND EXACTLY.
NOW IT'S NOT AVAILABLE TO YOU.
SO THAT'S A'S A LEGAL PROBLEM, BUT GOOD LUCK.
IT'S NOT JUST OUR LEGAL PROBLEM, IT'S NATIONWIDE.
I KNOW THAT THE, THERE'S PRESSURE TO PULL IN LIKE THE, THE, THE, THE, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TRYING TO, TO GET THEM TO, TO REIGN THEM IN.
THIS PARTICULAR ORGANIZATION THAT I TOLD YOU IS SPENDING $960,000 AT THIS POINT.
THEY'RE SPEAKING TO STATE LEGISLATURES.
IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A MONEY GRAB.
SOMEBODY FOUND A NICHE AND ARE, THEY'RE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF IT.
SO FOR THE TIME BEING, WE HAVE, UH, THREE PHYSICAL SERVERS THAT ARE YES, SIR.
THAT ARE STILL GOING ALONG FINE.
SO WE HOPING WE HAVE NO CAPACITY TO ADD ANYMORE BECAUSE THIS WAS THE ONE THAT OBVIOUSLY BEING THE LATEST ONE WE PURCHASED WAS ONE.
SO WE HAD THE ONE START BUILDING DAM ON IT.
UM, AND YOU SAID THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE FOUR SERVERS, ALTHOUGH ONE'S OUT OF COMMISSION, BUT WE, WE DO HAVE FOUR, BUT THREE ARE ARE WORKING, BUT BECAUSE WE HAVE FOUR, THE PRICE PER SERVER WOULD BE EVEN HIGHER THAN 5,000.
WHAT WAS DESCRIBED TO ME IS THE LICENSING FOR VMWARE, THE BASIC LICENSE AS FOR A CERTAIN NUMBER OF CORES WITH A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PROCESSORS UP TO THREE PHYSICAL SERVERS PER ORGANIZATION.
IF YOU HAVE FOUR PHYSICAL SERVERS, THEN YOU HAVE TO JUMP UP INTO THE NEXT LEVEL OF LICENSING.
NOW THERE'S A LOT OF DEBATE GOING ON.
IF WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, A CLUSTER OF TWO SERVERS AT ONE LOCATION AND A CLUSTER OF TWO SERVERS AT THE OTHER LOCATION, CAN WE JUST SAY WE HAVE TWO SERVERS THEN? UM, AND WE'RE GETTING CONFLICTING INFORMATION.
SOME PEOPLE SAY, NO, IT'S FOUR PER ORGANIZATION.
OTHER PEOPLE SAY NO, IT'S, IT'S PER CLUSTER.
WE JUST DON'T HAVE ANY DEFINITIVE ANSWERS ON THAT YET.
WELL ISN'T THE LICENSURE, ISN'T THAT THE SAME AS A CONTRACT? YES MA'AM.
SO IF WE HAVE, I MEAN I KNOW THEY'RE TRYING NOT TO HONOR IT, BUT IF THAT'S WHAT'S STATED
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THAT WE HAD A LICENSURE FOR FOUR AT THIS COST UNTIL THAT RUNS OUT, THAT'S WHAT THEY SHOULD BE HONORING OR IT IT IS AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HOPING IS THAT WE GET OUR FIVE YEAR LICENSE BACK AND WE CAN JUST MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT WE HAVE.SO EVEN WE JUST DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER ON THAT YET.
EVEN IF ONE COMPANY SOLD TO THE OTHER, ISN'T IT CUSTOMARY THAT THAT LICENSE UNTIL IT EXPIRES, GOES WITH THE COMPANY? YES, BUT THEY'RE TE FROM BROADCOM'S PERSPECTIVE, WE DON'T HAVE A LICENSE FROM DELL'S PERSPECTIVE, WE DO HAVE A LICENSE.
NOW I HAVE A RECEIPT WHERE I PAID DELL, OR I'M SORRY, NOT ME, WHERE THE COUNTY PAID DELL FOR THE LICENSE.
UM, AND IT SHOWS THAT FROM DELL WE GET A FIVE YEAR LICENSE.
BUT, UM, THE PROBLEM IS THAT DELL HAS SOME TRANSLATION AND SOME PORTAL WHERE THEY, YOU KNOW, YOU TAKE THEIR CODE, YOU TYPE IT INTO THIS PORTAL AND VMWARE THEN ASSIGNS YOU A LICENSE.
WELL, WELL THEIR CODE, THEIR PORTAL WITH DELL NO LONGER WORKS.
THERE'S NO LINK BACK TO BROADCOM.
SO BROADCOM SAYS WE DON'T HAVE A LICENSE.
DALE OFFERED TO GIVE US A REFUND ON THE LICENSE, UM, FROM WHEN WE MADE OUR ORIGINAL PURCHASE FOR THE SERVER.
UM, BUT NOW THAT THE COSTS HAVE GONE BETWEEN TWO AND 10 TIMES WHAT IT SHOULD BE MM-HMM.
I'M NOT SPENDING MORE MONEY TO GET THE SAME PRODUCT.
NOW IF, IF WE END UP STUCK WITH VMWARE, SAY THERE'S NO OTHER HYPERVISOR THAT WILL WORK OR THERE'S NO CONSULTING OPTION TO HARDEN A OPEN SOURCE ENVIRONMENT, COULD YOU UM, GO WITH THREE SERVERS AT THE LOWER PRICE PER AND THEN BRING IN BIGGER SERVERS THAT YOU DO HAVE CAPACITY TO ADD MORE VIRTUAL MACHINES ON THEM? YEAH, IT'S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE THAT WE JUST KIND OF SIT AND WAIT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS A LITTLE BIT.
AND IF WE START HAVING A CAPACITY PROBLEM, THEN WE LOOK AT THE CHOICES OF BUYING NEW VMWARE SERVERS VERSUS BEING BUYING NEW PHYSICAL BOXES VERSUS SOME OTHER HYPERVISOR.
I MEAN, THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF WAYS TO GO AROUND IT.
UM, WE'RE NOT IN A PLACE WHERE ANYTHING'S CRITICAL RIGHT NOW.
THE ONE CRITICAL SERVER, LIKE I SAID, HAS BEEN, HAS BEEN TAKEN CARE OF.
SO THE GOOD THING FOR US IS THAT WE'RE IN A PLACE WHERE WE CAN JUST HANG TIGHT A LITTLE BIT AND HOPE THAT THESE COMPANIES CONTINUE TO WORK OUT THEIR ISSUES WHILE WE CONTINUE TO PUT PRESSURE ON THEM.
LIKE EVERY OTHER ORGANIZATION ACROSS THE COUNTRY IS, AND DOES THE ONE SERVER THAT'S OUT OF COMMISSION PUT US AT ANY INCREASED RISK FOR LIKE, UM, OR IN PARIS FOR DISASTER RECOVERY OR ANYTHING? NO, THAT BACKUP WE HAVE, WE HAVE ALL THE, UH, ALL THAT BACKUP MATERIAL IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PLACE.
WHAT WOULD BE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU MIGHT NEED TO ADD MORE INTO THAT SYSTEM? WELL, THE ONE, SO TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA ON WHAT TYPE OF, WHAT TYPE OF VIRTUAL MACHINES WERE RUNNING ON THOSE SERVERS, SO THE ONE THAT WAS RUNNING AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE SPECIFICALLY, I'M GONNA CALL UP THE LIST HERE WHEN WE RUN AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE SPECIFICALLY, WAS A RELAY SERVER.
SO WHEN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE COMES, WHEN THEY BRING THEIR CARS INTO THE PARKING LOT, THE SYSTEM AUTOMATICALLY DOWNLOADS THE VIDEO FROM THE CAR INTO A RELAY SERVER, WHICH FORWARDS THAT INFORMATION INTO THE CLOUD.
AND SAME THING WITH OUR BODY CAMERAS.
THEY DETACH OUR BODY CAMERAS, PUT 'EM IN A HOLDER, AND THAT INFORMATION GOES TO THE RELAY SERVER, WHICH PUSHES IT UP TO THE INTERNET.
AND THAT'S A PRETTY BASIC SERVER.
WE ACTUALLY WERE ABLE TO REPLACE THAT WITH JUST A SIMPLE WINDOWS OS, NOT A SERVER OS.
SO WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT LITERALLY IN ABOUT THREE HOURS.
UM, SOME OF THE OTHER SERVERS WE RUN ON THESE MACHINES ARE, UM, UH, ACTIVE DIRECTORY SERVERS, WHICH AUTHENTICATE YOU WHEN YOU LOG INTO THE COMPUTER AND GIVE YOU THE ACCESS THAT YOU NEED TO DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO.
UM, ESERVICES, WHICH IS ALLOWS YOU TO PAY YOUR BILL ONLINE, THAT TYPE OF THING.
UM, THERE IS, UH, IF I CAN SEE HERE, YEAH, SO WE HAVE SEVERAL ACTIVE DIRECTORY SERVICES.
YOU SHOULD BE AWARE WE HAVE TWO FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, TWO FOR EVERYBODY ELSE, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY REDUNDANCY.
UM, THERE'S FILE SERVERS ON THOSE MACHINES AS WELL.
SO PEOPLE STORE THEIR FILES, YOU KNOW, TO THEM IT'S IN THE CLOUD TO US IT'S IN A COMPUTER IN A, IN A CLOSET SOMEWHERE.
SO YOU GET, YOU GET THE IDEA OF WHAT'S RUNNING ON THESE MACHINES.
AND WE JUST, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE AN IMMEDIATE NEED TO DEPLOY ANOTHER SERVER AT THIS POINT.
UM, BUT IF WE DO, WE'LL, WE'LL DISCUSS WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE AT THAT TIME.
THIS IS ANOTHER REASON I GET SO FRUSTRATED WITH IT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS QUESTION? JUST ONE.
SO WHEN DID THIS SERVER BREAK DOWN? ABOUT FOUR WEEKS AGO.
UM, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE, UM, A LIAISON MEETING WITH THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL HOSTED BY THE TOWN AT THE TOWN HALL ON JULY 23RD, WHICH
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MR. JAMESON WILL BE JOINING AS THE SECOND.IF ANYONE HAS ANY ITEMS TO PUT ON THE AGENDA, IF YOU WOULD SEND THEM, UM, TO, YOU KNOW, COPY MYSELF, ED, AND ZACH SO THAT WE CAN GET THOSE TAKEN CARE OF.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING BEFORE WE ADJOURN? IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SO MOVED.
EVERYBODY IN AGREEMENT SAY AYE.
EVERYBODY HAVE A SAFE TRIP HOME.