[II. Call to Order]
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I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE WITH LYING IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO THE, TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD IN INDIVISIBLE, LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[IV. Adoption of the Agenda]
THE ADOPTION OF OUR AGENDA FOR TONIGHT.MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE ADOPT THE AGENDA AS PRESENTED.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
[V. Adoption of the Regular Meeting Minutes]
IS ADOPTION OF REGULAR MEETING MINUTES OF JUNE 12TH FOR THEIR REGULAR MEETING AND JUNE 12TH FOR THE WORK SESSION.THEY HAVE TO BE DONE SEPARATE.
WHEN WE DO 'EM TOGETHER, THEY CAN BE DONE TOGETHER IF THERE ARE NO CHANGES.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
OPPOSED? OUR MINUTES ARE ADOPTED.
NEXT ITEM IS PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS.
PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS ARE LIMITED ISSUES THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED ON THE MEETING AGENDA.
IT'S INTENDED AS OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC GIVE INPUT ON RELEVANT PLANNING ISSUES, NOT INTENDED AS A QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD.
SO IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING ON YOUR MIND THAT'S NOT ON OUR AGENDA, PLEASE STEP FORWARD.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND SAY WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND.
[VII.A. CUP2024-06-01 - Kyler Yancey, Lindsey Wiley & Elmer Smith (Alicia D. Fridgen) - A request for a conditional use permit for a Home Enterprise. The property is located at 103 Demel Court and identified on tax map 23A, section 12, block 9, as lot 3. The property is zoned Agricultural (A) and is located in the Skyland Estates subdivision in the Happy Creek Magisterial District. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator]
TO OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS.FIRST ONE TONIGHT, CUP 20 24 0 6 0 1.
KYLE YANCY, LINDSEY WILEY, AND ELMER SMITH.
REQUEST FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A HOME ENTERPRISE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1 0 3 DE MILL COURT IDENTIFIED IN TAX MAP 23.
A SECTION 12, BLOCK NINE IS LOT THREE.
AGRICULTURAL WAS LOCATED IN THE SKYLAND, THE STATE SUBDIVISION IN THE HAPPY CREEK MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANTS ARE REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A HOME ENTERPRISE TO OPERATE A SMALL SCALE BAKERY BUSINESS OUT OF AN ACCESSORY BUILDING ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
THE ACCESSORY KITCHEN WILL SERVE AS A BASE OF OPERATIONS FOR A HOME BUSINESS CONSISTING OF PREPARING BAKED GOODS SUCH AS COOKIES, BROWNIES, AND DONUTS, AND DELIVERING THE BAKED GOODS TO INDIVIDUALS, BUSINESSES, AND CHURCHES IN THE WARREN COUNTY AREA.
WITH THE OPERATION, INCLUDING DELIVERY, THE HOME ENTERPRISE WILL NOT BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND ONSITE CUSTOMERS WILL BE RESTRICTED.
UH, THE APPLICANTS HAVE ALSO INDICATED THEY DO NOT TO PLAN TO INSTALL ANY SIGNAGE, UM, TO PRESERVE THE RESIDENTIAL APPEARANCE OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, THE CODE DEFINES A HOME ENTERPRISE AS A SMALL SCALE BUSINESS CONDUCTED ENTIRELY INSIDE AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ENGAGED IN PROVIDING SERVICES AND PRODUCTS TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
SUCH OPERATIONS ARE CLEARLY INCIDENTAL AND SUBORDINATE TO THE PRINCIPAL RESIDENTIAL USE, PERMITTED ON THE PARCEL.
UM, SO ESSENTIALLY A HOME ENTERPRISE IS VERY SIMILAR TO A, UH, A BUYRIGHT HOME OCCUPATION, EXCEPT FOR THAT IT IS NOT CONDUCTED WITHIN THE DWELLING ITSELF, RATHER OUT OF AN ACCESSORY BUILDING.
UM, THERE'S A BUNCH OF SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS, UH, THAT APPLY TO A HOME ENTERPRISE.
AND, UH, THIS REQUEST, UH, DOES MEET ALL OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
UH, THEY WILL NEED A CHANGE OF USE PERMIT THROUGH BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND TO OUTFIT THE BUILDING TO BE COMPLIANT WITH BUILDING CODE.
AND THEY WILL HAVE TO MAKE A MINOR MODIFICATION TO THE, UH, SEPTIC SYSTEM PERMIT WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
AND WE DID RECEIVE COMMENTS FROM THE SKYLINE COMMUNITY CORPORATION, UH, IN OPPOSITION TO THIS, UH, PROPOSED USE.
UH, THEY DON'T THINK IT MEETS THE INTENT OF THEIR BYLAWS, UM, AND WE ARE RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
CONDITION NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURAL AND COMMU CONSUMER SERVICES, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.
NUMBER TWO, THE APPLICANT SHALL SUBMIT ON-SITE SEWAGE DISPOSAL SYSTEM APPLICATION, MINOR MODIFICATION PERMIT THROUGH THE WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, AND ALL REQUIRED MODIFICATIONS SHALL BE COMPLETED PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF ZONING.
NUMBER THREE, THE APPLICANT SHALL PASS FINAL INSPECTIONS FOR ALL BUILDING, ALL REQUIRED BUILDING AND ZONING PERMITS PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF ZONING.
NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE WELL WATER TESTED ANNUALLY FOR E COLI AND CALIFORNIA BACTERIA, AND A COPY OF THE RESULT SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING AND HEALTH DEPARTMENTS.
NUMBER FIVE, ONSITE CUSTOMER SERVICE SHALL BE PROHIBITED.
THE HOME ENTERPRISE SHALL ONLY OPERATE
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ON A DELIVERY BASIS.NUMBER SIX, PARKING FOR THE BI, OR I'M SORRY, PARKING FOR THE HOME ENTERPRISE.
UH, EMPLOYEES SHALL BE LOCATED IN THE DRIVEWAY.
ONLY PARKING OF VEHICLES IN OR ALONG THE RIGHT RIGHTS OF WAY SHALL BE PROHIBITED.
UH, THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.
ADJACENT PROPERTY ORDERS NOTIFIED THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US.
UH, DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THE STAFF COMMENTS? THANK YOU, PLEASE.
AND ALSO, SIR, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, LEGAL NAME AND ADDRESS.
UM, THE ONLY THING I REALLY WANTED TO ADDRESS WAS THE, UM, HE, HE MENTIONED, UM, THE COMMENTS FROM THE SKYLINE COMMUNITY CORPORATION.
UM, THEY'RE THE ONLY NEGATIVE FEEDBACK WE'VE GOTTEN SO FAR.
SO I DID, I DID WANT TO ADDRESS THAT.
UM, I REVIEWED THEIR COMMENTS AND I REACHED OUT TO THEM EMAIL AND, UH, I ALSO ATTENDED A MEETING LAST WEEK.
UM, AND IT'S ACTUALLY WENT REALLY, REALLY WELL.
UM, SO THE ORIGINAL COMMENT, THEY SAID THAT, UH, THEIR COVENANTS PROHIBIT BUSINESS ON THE MOUNTAIN.
UM, BUT WE WENT UP TO THE MEETING AND WE TALKED TO THEM AND RE-REVIEWED THE COVENANTS WITH THE GROUP.
UM, AND IT BECAME CLEAR THAT IT ACTUALLY DOESN'T PROHIBIT BUSINESS.
UH, WELL, THE COVENANTS ACTUALLY STATE IS THAT IT, UH, THEY PROHIBIT BUSINESS WITHOUT APPROVAL.
ALRIGHT? BUT THEY DON'T HAVE GUIDELINES FOR HOW TO GET THAT APPROVAL YET.
UM, AND SO THEIR MAIN CONCERN WAS TRAFFIC.
UM, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANY ONSITE CUSTOMERS.
UM, AND WE ALREADY LIVE THERE.
WE'RE NOT HAVING DELIVERIES OR ANYTHING.
SO THERE, THERE SHOULD BE NO IN CHANGE TO, UH, TRAFFIC.
UM, BY THE TIME WE FINISHED THE MEETING, THEY WERE VERY POSITIVE.
THEY GAVE US RECOMMENDATIONS FOR LOCAL BUSINESSES.
WE CAN, UM, IDEALLY SELL OUR PRODUCTS TO, UM, THEY EVEN HAVE A PICNIC COMING UP SOON THAT THEY INVITED US TO AND, AND, UH, ASKED US TO BRING OUR DONUTS TO.
UM, SO I MEAN, THAT BEING SAID, THE REASON YOU DON'T HAVE NEW COMMENTS IS, UH, THEY'RE CONCERNED THAT WITHOUT THE GUIDELINES IN PLACE, UM, TO ALLOW BUSINESS JUST, UH, A TOTAL, UM, ACCEPTANCE OF OUR BUSINESS WOULD OPEN THE DOOR TO OTHER BUSINESSES THAT THEY DON'T WANT, LIKE AIRBNBS, UM, WITH A BUNCH OF STRANGERS COMING UP THE MOUNTAIN.
THEY MENTIONED DIESEL TRUCK REPAIR.
THEY DON'T WANT LOUD BUSINESSES, BUT ULTIMATELY THEY'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING.
THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT, UM, IF THEY WERE TO GIVE US A GOOD RECOMMENDATION, UM, WHAT DOOR THAT WOULD OPEN IF THEY DON'T HAVE A FOUNDATION AND GUIDELINES FOR WHERE THAT RECOMMENDATION CAME FROM.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES, SIR.
I HAVE LETTERS, UM, FROM NEIGHBORS, SO EVERYONE ON DEMO IS AWARE IN SUPPORTIVE.
I HAVE LETTERS IF, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED.
UM, WE'VE TALKED TO ANOTHER HANDFUL OF PEOPLE, OVER HALF OF THE PEOPLE IN SECTIONS EIGHT NINE, WHICH IS WHERE WE ZONES ARE AWARE AND, AND APPROVE, YOU KNOW, ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS.
UM, AND THEN A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE ACROSS CAROLINA STATES AND WE HAVE A NEIGHBOR HERE TODAY.
UM, I THINK WE'D BE WILLING TO, TO TALK ABOUT IT AS WELL.
ALRIGHT, SIR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WITH THAT PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ELMER SMITH? OKAY.
PLEASE NOTE, SIR, IN OUR RULES OF ENGAGEMENT OVER HERE AND ALSO WE LIMIT PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, LIMIT COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES.
HOW ARE YOU? UH, I DIDN'T KNOW I WAS GONNA BE CALLED TODAY, BUT, UH, UH, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
ELMER SMITH, 1900 TAYLOR DRIVE, APARTMENT SEVEN.
I'M, IT'S STATE LAW WE HAVE TO ABIDE BY, SO YES, SIR.
BUT YEAH, ESSENTIALLY, UM, UH, WE'LL BE IN CHARGE OF SALES, UH, BUSINESS LOGISTICS AS FAR AS THIS BUSINESS.
I MEAN, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.
ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK DIDN'T SIGN UP FOR OR AGAINST? SEE NO ONE COME FORWARD.
UH, MY MAJOR CONCERN ON THE WHOLE THING IS BE FIRE PREVENTION BECAUSE I'M CER I DON'T KNOW IF THIS BUILDING WOULD NEED TO BE SPRINKLED AND IF IT IS, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE A WELL, THAT COULD SUPPORT IT.
UH, BUILDING INSPECTION IS, IS COMING TO LOOK AT IT.
THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS, WHEN THEY DO THE CHANGE OF USE, THEY'LL HAVE TO MEET
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ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS WITH REGARD TO BUILDING CODE AND ALSO STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE.I DON'T THINK IT'S BIG ENOUGH FOR SPRINKLER BUT'S BUILDING INSPECTION.
IT'S STILL, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT A BAKERY AND THINGS ARE HOT IN THERE.
THINGS CATCH ON FIRE YOU ABSOLUTELY.
THE ONLY THING I'LL ADD THOUGH IS, FORGIVE ME IF I'M MIS MISSPEAKING, BUT WITH VIRGINIA COTTAGE LAWS, IF HE WAS BAKING IN HIS HOME, HE WOULD NOT HAVE TO EVEN DO THIS.
IT'S JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE ANOTHER BUILDING.
BECAUSE BAKERY, HAVING A IN-HOME BAKERY, HE WOULD NOT HAVE TO APPLY FOR ANY TYPE OF ENTERPRISE.
YOU'D HAVE A BUSINESS WHICH MANY PEOPLE HAVE IN-HOME BUSINESSES.
BUT IT'S JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE A SEPARATE, THERE'S A SEPARATE BUILDING.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE CASE UNDER OUR ZONING ORDINANCE.
I'M LOOKING AT, AT MR. LINSON WINDING.
HOME OCCUPATION IS THE SAME THING, BUT CONDUCTED WITHIN A DWELLING.
ANYWHERE A DWELLING IS PERMITTED.
AND THEN WITH, BECAUSE WITH THE VIRGINIA COTTAGE LAWS, YOU CAN CO BAKE IN YOUR HOME AND SELL GOODS OUT OF YOUR HOME.
I BELIEVE, UH, THE DEPARTMENT OF, UH, AGRICULTURAL AND CONSUMER SERVICES WOULD STILL NEED TO APPROVE IT.
UM, BUT THAT WOULD, IT WOULD BE BY RIGHT THROUGH ZONING REVIEW.
SO BASICALLY THE, THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING HER, IS BECAUSE THEY'RE USING, THEY'RE GONNA CONVERT AN ACCESSORY.
BECAUSE THE, IT'LL BE CONDUCTED OUTSIDE OF THE DWELLING.
OH, I LOVE THE IDEA OF SMALL HOME BUSINESS.
SO I'M, I FEEL VERY GOOD ABOUT IT.
FIRE PREVENTION WAS MY ONLY CONCERN.
IS ANYONE READY TO MAKE A MOTION? SURE.
I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST OF KYLER ANCY LINDA WILEY AND ELMER SMITH, ALICIA D FRIEN FOR HOME ENTERPRISE WITH CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
OPPOSED? AYES HAVE, IT'LL BE FORWARDED ON TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS PROBABLY IN ABOUT A MONTH.
[VII.B. Z2024-06-02 - Contractor Storage Yard - Warren County Planning Staff - A request to amend Chapter 180 of the Warren County Code to amend §180-8C to add a definition for Contractor Storage Yard, to amend §180-21D(48) to add Contractor Storage Yard as a use allowed by conditional use permit in the Agricultural (A) zoning district, to amend §180-28D(10) to amend the Yard for Storage of Coal, Lumber, Building Materials, or Contractors’ Equipment listed use in the Industrial (I) zoning district, and to enact §180-43.3 to add supplementary regulations for Contractor Storage Yard. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator]
Z 20 24 0 6 0 2 CONTRACTOR STORAGE YARD, WARREN COUNTY PLANNING STAFF REQUEST TO AMEND CHAPTER 180, THE WARREN COUNTY CODE TO AMEND SUBSECTION 180 DASH EIGHT C TO ADD DEFINITION FOR CONTRACTOR STORAGE YARD TO THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT TO AMEND SUBSECTION 180 DASH 28 D 10 TO AMEND YARD FOR STORAGE OF COAL, LUMBER BUILDING MATERIALS OR CONTRACTORS EQUIPMENT LISTED USE IN INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT.AND TO ENACT SUBSECTION 180 DASH 43.3 TO AMEND SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS FOR THE CONTRACTOR STORAGE YARD.
THE MAIN PURPOSE OF THIS TEXT AMENDMENT IS TO ADD A MISSING DEFINITION AND SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS FOR USE, CURRENTLY PERMITTED ONLY BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.
PLANNING STAFF IS ALSO PROPOSING TO CHANGE THE NAME OF THE LISTED USE OF THE CONTRACTOR STORAGE YARD.
SINCE ALL CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS ISSUED FOR THIS USE HAVE LITERALLY JUST PUT CONTRACTOR STORAGE YARD ON THEM WITH THE ADDITION OF SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS.
PLANNING STAFF IS ALSO PROPOSING THE USE BE PERMITTED BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT.
IN RESPONSE TO SEVERAL REQUESTS AND VIOLATIONS FOR THIS USE ON AGRICULTURAL PROPERTIES FOR SMALL CONTRACTOR BUSINESSES OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS, THE PROPOSED SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS INCLUDE A THREE ACRE LOT SIZE MINIMUM, A STATE MAINTAINED ROAD FRONTAGE AND ACCESS REQUIREMENT, AN ILLUSTRATIVE DEVELOPMENT PLAN REQUIREMENT, 50 FOOT SETBACK FOR OUTDOOR STORAGE AREAS, INTERNAL ACCESS ROAD, HARD SURFACING REQUIREMENT, FULL SCREENING REQUIREMENT FOR OUTDOOR STORAGE AREAS, LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS, AND ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR STORAGE OF COMBUSTIBLE MATERIALS AND LIQUIDS.
UH, WITH THE ADDITION OF SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS, THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUIREMENT AND POTENTIAL CONDITIONS PLANNING STAFF BELIEVES THE CONTRACTOR STORAGE YARD USE WILL BE APPROPRIATE IN CERTAIN AGRICULTURAL ZONED AREAS OF THE COUNTY.
UM, THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED, AND I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
WITH THAT, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
ANYONE TO SIGN UP? ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK? PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
UM, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT IDEA.
I PERSONALLY HAVE ONE CONTRACTOR, MYSELF AND I STORE MY EQUIPMENT AT HOME.
I'VE BEEN DOING IT LONG ENOUGH.
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INOH, DOES, AS FAR AS THE AG DISTRICT, AS FAR AS, UH, AS A CONTRACTOR, IS THAT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IN OTHER WORDS, IF SOMEBODY BOUGHT A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND THEY WERE A CONTRACTOR, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO BY, RIGHT.
ARE THEY ALLOWED TO RUN THAT BUSINESS OUTTA THAT HOME? SO THE CONTRACTOR STORAGE YARD USE IS ADDRESSING SPECIFICALLY THE OUTDOOR STORAGE OF MATERIALS AND, UH, EQUIPMENT.
UM, I WOULD SAY IF YOU'RE USING YOUR PROPERTY AS LIKE A HOME OFFICE FOR A CONTRACTOR'S BUSINESS, WE ALLOW THAT AS A, UH, A HOME OCCUPATION FREQUENTLY, AS LONG AS THEY DON'T HAVE CUSTOMERS COMING OUT THERE AND THEY'RE NOT STORING, UH, BIG EQUIPMENT OUTDOORS.
UM, SO I WOULD SAY, UH, YEAH, IT MIGHT BE A SPLIT USE, BUT IF THEY, UH, HAVE APPROVAL FOR THE CONTRACTOR STORAGE YARD, THEN THEY COULD DO BOTH.
WELL, UH, OH, TO BE HONEST, I'D LIKE SOME TIME TO WORK ON THIS.
OH, I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE A CONTRACTOR STORAGE YARD, BUT IT, IT, IT'S SOME OPEN ENDS HERE.
IN OTHER WORDS, IF, UH, LET'S SAY YOU DIDN'T NEED THE STORAGE YARD.
TO RUN A CONTRACTOR'S BUSINESS, SOMETHING HADN'T BEEN ADDRESSED AS LIKE EMPLOYEE PARKING.
I HAVE ONE EMPLOYEE, WHICH IS VERY LOW IMPACT, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU COULD BE A VERY SMALL PAINTING COMPANY AND YOU MAY HAVE THREE OR FOUR VANS.
UH, ARE THEY CONSIDERED STORAGE? IS A VAN BIG ENOUGH, UH, TO BE CONSIDERED STORED EQUIPMENT? OR IF YOU HAD A MAN LIFT OR SOMETHING TO REACH A HIGH BARN? OH, I THINK THESE ARE ALL GREAT USES, UH, FOR HOME OCCUPATION AND SMALL CONTRACTORS.
UH, FRANKLY, IT'S THE ONLY WAY I SURVIVE.
AND A LOT OF MY PEERS, UH, I, YOU KNOW, I I THINK IT NEEDS SOME WORK THOUGH.
UH, I THINK COAL'S PRETTY WELL OBSOLETE.
UH, GRAVEL AND MULCH MIGHT BE A BETTER SUBSTITUTE FOR A CONTRACTOR STORAGE YARD.
I TRIED TO READ ON IT A LITTLE BIT, AND TO BE HONEST, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T, FOR SOME OF THE OTHER TOPICS I FELT WERE MORE IMPORTANT FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING, UH, I'D LIKE TO TABLE THIS TO DO SOME MORE RESEARCH ON IT ALL, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW EVERYBODY ELSE FEELS.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM SUSPICIOUS SINCE YOU HAVE MORE EXPERIENCE THAN WE DO IN THIS SPECIFIC ISSUE.
UH, FAKI COUNTY HAS THIS VERY SAME, VERY SIMILAR ORDINANCE, AND ALL THOSE CONTRACTOR YARDS OVER, OVER THE YEARS HAVE BECOME, UH, FIRE HAZARDS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOW ABANDONED VEHICLES.
SO, WHICH YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT AFFECTS ONE OF THE HEARINGS WE'RE GONNA HAVE OR WE HAD LAST MONTH, BUT IT'S, THAT WAS IN A DIFFERENT SITUATION.
MAYBE WE NEED SOME CLARIFICATION.
YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A VEHICLE THAT SHOULD BE ROADWORTHY, IT'D ALL BE TAGGED IN ROADWORTHY, NOT A JUNK.
WELL, IT SHOULDN'T BE JUNKYARD STORAGE.
IT'S IN THERE, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT'S TO KEEP IT FROM BECOMING ONE, YOU KNOW, VEHICLES, OLDER VEHICLES LEAK? WELL, IN WARREN COUNTY, WE DO HAVE A SEPARATE ORDINANCE IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE THAT LIMITS EACH PROPERTY OR CONTIGUOUS PROPERTY UNDER THE SAME OWNERSHIP TO ONE AND OPERABLE VEHICLE.
SO IF A CONTRACTOR STORAGE YARD HAS MORE THAN ONE, IT'S IN VIOLATION OF THAT SECTION OF THE CODE.
AND SO WE COULD CITE THEM UNDER THAT SECTION.
WELL, IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY EVERY CONTRACTOR'S YARD.
YOU GOT A BUSTED DOWN VEHICLE FOR TWO OR THREE SITTING HERE.
OH, MY, MY CONCERN ALSO A LITTLE BIT EXPANDING ON THINKING ON RUNOFF.
IF YOU'RE NOT CAREFUL, STORAGE YARDS, YOU KNOW, END UP BEING MAINTENANCE YARDS MM-HMM.
I'D KINDA LIKE PREVENT, YOU KNOW, OIL RUNOFF THIS TYPE THING TOO.
SO, ANTIFREEZE, ANY OF THAT? YES.
WELL, I, I MEAN THEY, IT'S TRUE, BUT I MEAN, IT, IT'S PROBABLY ALREADY AGAINST SOME KIND OF RULE, BUT MAYBE IT COULD BE ADDED TO THIS AT THE SAME TIME.
I THINK IF WE NEED MORE TIME, LET'S TAKE IT.
AND JUST TO, UH, BE CLEAR SO THAT I KNOW WHAT I'M WORKING ON,
UM, SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING SPECIFIC TO VEHICLES.
I'M, I'M GONNA GET WITH YOU 'CAUSE I'VE GOT, UH, I'VE ACTUALLY TALKED LAST MINUTE.
I TALKED TO A GROUP OF LOCAL CONTRACTORS, UH, THAT ACTUALLY DO A PRETTY GOOD JOB IN, UH, I CAN'T, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE YOU CAN ALWAYS DO A BETTER JOB CLEANING UP AND KEEPING STUFF NEAT AND ORGANIZED ALL BUT LIKE THE STATE ROAD THING, MINE'S NOT ON STATE ROAD.
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UM, YOU CAN WORK ON IT A LITTLE BIT, BUT ACTUALLY I'VE GOT A, A GROUP OF CONTRACTORS AND MAY WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA WORK ON IT SOME AND MAYBE WE'D LIKE TO SCHEDULE WITH YOU.IF YOU WANNA MEET AND BRING OUR IDEAS IN, AND THEN YOU CAN DO THAT AND YOU CAN GET LEGAL TO FIX 'EM BECAUSE WE'LL MESS 'EM ALL UP AND
UH, THE SOONER THE BETTER ON THAT MEETING.
UH, I WILL BE GONE THE SECOND HALF OF AUGUST.
UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE D 20 24 0 6 CONTRACTOR STORAGE YARD, UH, ORDINANCE FOR NEXT MONTH OR INDEFINITE, YOU KNOW, PUT TIME ON IT, OR IT SEEMS THAT MAYBE NEXT MONTH IS A LITTLE TIGHT ON THE TIMING OF WHAT WE NEED TO GET DONE.
SO, OCTOBER, I, I WOULD SUGGEST AT LEAST TWO MONTHS OR PERHAPS JUST TABLE UNTIL STAFF HAVE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH PLANNING COMMISSIONERS AND, AND THAT STAFF MAY BRING IT BACK AT THEIR DISCRETION.
SO, UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE SO IT'S NOT CRUNCHED ON TIMELINE.
WE'RE NOT, WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER PERMIT HELD UP FOR SOMEBODY.
SO I, UH, THE MOTION, I'D LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO TABLE THIS AND UNTIL SUFFICIENT TIME FOR ME TO MEET WITH STAFF TO IMPROVE THE ORDER, I'LL SECOND.
OPPOSED? THIS MOTION IS TAKEN.
[VII.C. Z2024-06-01 - Definition of Fairground - Warren County Planning Staff - A request to amend Chapter 180 of the Warren County Code to amend §180-8C to add a definition for Fairground, to amend §180- 21B(4) to repeal the Noncommercial Fairground listed by right use in the Agricultural (A) zoning ]
NINE Z 20 24 0 6 0 1 DEFINITION OF FAIR GROUND WARREN COUNTY PLANNING STAFF REQUEST TO AMEND CHAPTER 180, THE WARREN COUNTY CODE TO AMEND SUBSECTION 180 DASH EIGHT C TO ADD A DEFINITION FOR, FOR FAIRGROUND AND AMEND SUBSECTION 180 DASH 21 B FOUR FOR APPEAL TO NON-COMMERCIAL FAIRGROUND LISTED BY RIGHT USE IN AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT.AND TO ENABLE SUBSECTION 180 DASH 20 1D 49 TO ADD FAIR GROUND AS A PERMITTED AS A USE PERMITTED BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT.
THE PURPOSE OF THIS AMENDMENT IS TO ADD A MISSING DEFINITION AND TO CLARIFY PERMITTED USES AND ACTIVITIES FOR A FAIR GROUND.
THIS AMENDMENT WILL HELP GUIDE BOTH PLANNING STAFF AND THE WARREN COUNTY FAIR ASSOCIATION ON THE TYPES OF EVENTS AND ACTIVITIES PERMITTED AT THE WARREN COUNTY FAIRGROUND AND ANY FUTURE FAIRGROUND MOVING FORWARD.
FAIRGROUNDS ARE CURRENTLY PERMITTED BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN THE COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT.
AND NON-COMMERCIAL FAIRGROUNDS ARE PERMITTED BY WRIGHT IN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT.
SINCE THE FAIRGROUND HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE AN INTENSE USE WITH MANY POTENTIAL IMPACTS, PLANNING STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE DISTRICT REGULATIONS FOR THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT BE AMENDED SO THAT ALL FAIRGROUNDS ARE PERMITTED BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT RATHER THAN A A COMMERCIAL NON-COMMERCIAL DIS, YOU KNOW, DISTINCTION.
UH, OTHER THAN THAT, THE PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.
I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
AND AGAIN, THIS ONE IS ALSO STAFF INITIATED.
WITH THAT, THIS PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN, A ONE SIDE, A ONE CARE TO SPEAK.
ROBIN LLOYD, 6 6 4 4 HOUSE ROAD FRONT ROYAL, I'D LIKE TO START BY THANKING MR. LINZ FOR OPENING THIS UP FOR US.
UM, THE WARREN COUNTY FAIRGROUNDS DOES A LOT OF THEIR BUSINESS BY RENTING THE FAIRGROUNDS, AND WE GET A VAST VARIETY OF REQUESTS EVERY YEAR FROM ALLOWING BOY SCOUTS TO CAMP OUT THERE OR DOING MOTOR SPORTS EVENTS OR HAVING FARMER'S MARKETS, FLEA MARKETS, UM, CRAFT SHOWS, ALL DIFFERENT TYPES OF EVENTS.
AND WITHOUT THIS DEFINITION, BOTH THE PLANNING STAFF AND THE WARREN COUNTY FAIRGROUNDS, WE DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO PROCEED WHETHER WE NEEDED A FESTIVAL PERMIT OR DIDN'T NEED A FESTIVAL PERMIT, WHETHER THIS ACTIVITY WAS ALLOWED ON THE LAWN OR IT HAD TO BE, UM, PLACED INSIDE A BUILDING.
SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE, THE FAIRGROUNDS WAS IN A BLACK HOLE AND NOBODY KNEW WHAT TO DO.
SO I REALLY APPRECIATE, UH, THE EFFORT THAT'S BEEN MADE TO DEFINE US SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE AND SUPPORT THIS COMMUNITY WITH THE EVENTS THAT, UM, PEOPLE WANT TO HAVE OUT THERE.
ANYONE ELSE? CARE TO SPEAK? SEE NO ONE ELSE COME FORWARD.
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I THINK YOU, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ADD WELL, I GET ONE QUESTION.IS THERE ANY OTHER OPERATION THAT THIS WOULD AFFECT OTHER THAN THE, THE WARREN COUNTY FAIRGROUNDS? AT THIS TIME, WE ONLY HAVE THE WARREN COUNTY FAIRGROUND.
I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY NON-COMMERCIAL, UM, BY RIGHT, UH, FAIRGROUNDS THAT WERE PERMITTED UNDER THAT USE.
UM, JUST THE WARREN COUNTY FAIRGROUND, BUT IT IS PERMITTED, UH, BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN COMMERCIAL AND IF APPROVED IN AGRICULTURAL, UM, THEN, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE COULD TECHNICALLY APPLY FOR ONE ON A DIFFERENT PROPERTY.
FINDING THAT THE PROPOSED ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT IS APPROPRIATE FOR PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, AND GENERAL WELFARE, AND IS GOOD ZONING PRACTICE.
I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.
I'LL SECOND THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
BE FORWARDED ON THE BOARD SUPERVISORS.
[VII.D. CUP2024-06-02 - Public Protection Facility - Warren County Sheriff's Office - Sheriff Crystal Cline - A request for a conditional use permit for a Public Protection Facility for use as a law enforcement firearms training range for Warren County Sheriff's Office. The property is located at 232 Shangri-La Drive and is identified on tax map 43 as lot 29A. The property is zoned Agricultural (A) and is in the South River Magisterial District. - Matt Wendling, Planning Director]
ITEM, CUP 20 24 0 6 0 2 PUBLIC PROTECTION FACILITY, WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE SHERIFF CRYSTAL KLEIN, REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A PUBLIC PROTECTION FACILITY FOR USE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT DRIVE RANGE MORTON FOR THE WARRENTON COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE.PROPERTY IS LOCATED 2 32 SHANGRILA DRIVE IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP.
29 A PROPERTY IS OWNED, AGRICULTURAL IS IN THE SOUTH RIVER MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.
YES, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND SHERIFF KLEIN IS, ARE REQUESTING THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A MULTIDISCIPLINARY FIREARMS TRAINING RANGE.
UH, THE PROPOSED FIREARM RANGE WILL BE UTILIZED AS A MULTI-USE TRAINING FACILITY FOR SEARCH AND RESCUE CANINE LESS THAN LEGAL AND SCENARIO BASED TRAINING EXERCISES SPANNING OVER A THREE YEAR PHASE PLAN.
UM, AT THEIR JULY 2ND, 2020, 24 MEETING, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CHOSE TO PULL THE REQUEST TO AUTHORIZE THIS ADVERTISEMENT OF THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, FOR THE APPLICATION UNTIL ALL AGENCY COMMENTS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED.
DISCUSSIONS BETWEEN TOWN AND FRONT ROYAL POLICE AND WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF DEPARTMENT RELATING TO THE TOWN'S FIRING RANGE ARE COMPLETED AND PLANNING COMMISSION IS THOROUGHLY REVIEWED AND ARE ABLE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THE COUNTY STAFF PLANNING STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THIS SHERIFF SINCE APRIL ON, UH, MAPS ON DOING MAPS AND CONCEPT PLANS.
WE JUST DID NOT RECEIVE A FORMAL APPLICATION FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
AND MANY TIMES WHAT HAPPENS, UH, WE WILL GET AN APPLICATION FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, AND THEN IN ORDER TO, UM, GET IT ON A BOARD AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MONTH, SOMETIMES WE'LL ADVER, WE WILL REQUEST ADVERTISEMENT THREE TO FOUR WEEKS AHEAD OF TIME, UM, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN PAST YOUR THIS, THIS HEARING TONIGHT.
UM, THAT'S WHY IT WAS ON THE BOARD'S AGENDA PRIOR TO IT BEING ON YOUR MEETING TONIGHT AS A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO I JUST WANT TO KIND OF CLARIFY THAT.
UM, SO IN ANY CASE, UH, IT DOES MEET THE COMPATIBILITY WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT SERVICE FACILITIES ARE IDENTIFIED IN CHAPTER FIVE COMMUNITY FACILITIES, UH, OF A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IT DOES MEET THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES TO PROVIDE RESPONSIVE LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.
UM, AND A REVIEW OF THIS COMPATIBILITY OF THIS USE WITH A COMP COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS REQUIRED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION PER THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
SO YOU'LL REVIEW THIS USE AS PER THE, ITS, UH, COMPLIANCE WITH THAT.
UH, THERE ARE, UM, NO SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS FOR PUBLIC PROTECTION FACILITIES FOR FIRE, POLICE AND RESCUE DEPARTMENTS, WHICH IS THE LISTED USE THAT, UH, IS ACTUALLY BEING APPLIED FOR IN THIS CASE.
UH, THE LAND USE WILL BE REQUIRED TO MEET ALL ZONING REQUIREMENTS FOR SCREENING, SIGNAGE, LANDSCAPING, LIGHTING, AND PARKING, AND ANY CONDITIONS APPROVED BY THE BOARD.
UM, WE HAVE SUBMITTED AGENCY COMMENT OR REQUESTED AGENCY COMMENTS.
UH, WE DID JUST RECEIVE THE WARREN COUNTY BUILDING OFFICIAL COMMENTS TODAY, AND HE ALSO, UH, ADDRESSED, UH, WHAT THE FIRE MARSHAL WOULD SAY.
BASICALLY IN THESE INITIAL COMMENTS FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS, UH, SITE PLANS WOULD THEN GO TO THE FIRE MARSHAL IF THAT, IF IT REACHED THAT POINT.
UH, WE'VE NOT HAD THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT COMMENTS.
UM, WE DID RECEIVE COMMENTS FROM, UM, MR. BERRY, OUR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, AND MR. BERRY, UM, STATES IN HIS COMMENTS, I'D LIKE TO READ THIS 'CAUSE, UH, IT MIGHT HELP CLARIFY THINGS.
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UM, THEY'RE WORKING ON A MINOR PERMIT AMENDMENT TO REVISE THE LANDFILL CLOSED, EXCUSE ME, THE CLOSED LANDFILL FACILITY BOUNDARY.UH, BASED ON THE POTENTIAL SHOOTING RANGE, WE REQUESTED TO WITHDRAW THE PERMIT AMENDMENT FOR PREM PRELIMINARY DISCUSSION WITH DEQ.
BASED ON THE LONG RANGE PLAN AND CONSULTANT REVIEW, I DON'T THINK WE CAN EXCLUDE THE TRAINING FACILITY FROM THE FACILITY BOUNDARY AND THE DEQ COMMENTS REQUESTED MAY REFLECT SUCH.
SO, CURRENTLY THE TRAINING FACILITY AREAS NOT INCLUDED IN THAT PERMIT THEY WERE APPLYING FOR, AND BECAUSE THEY FEEL THAT IT SHOULD BE INCLUDED, THEY WITHDREW THE PERMIT.
SO UNTIL THE TRAINING FACILITY AREA IS INCLUDED IN THAT PERMIT REQUEST, UM, THE, THE COMMENTS FROM DEQ, BECAUSE AT THIS TIME DEQ HAS REALLY NO COMMENTS ON THE FIREARMS FACILITY.
AND, AND, UH, I WILL MENTION THAT, UH, THE SHERIFF AND HER OFFICERS HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THEM, AND SO THEY HAVE BEEN TRYING TO WORK WITH THEM ON THAT.
SO, BUT FROM STAFF, UH, UM, REQUIREMENT UNTIL WE HAVE, UM, I WOULD SAY THAT, UH, IN HAND FOR THE SPECIFIC LAND USE OF FIREARMS TRAINING FACILITY AND WORKING WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, UH, EFFECTIVELY WE DON'T HAVE THEIR COMMENTS AT THIS TIME SPECIFIC TO THE, TO THE LAND USE.
UH, WE DID RECEIVE, UH, WE, WELL, WE DIDN'T RE WE DIDN'T SUBMIT COMMENTS TO VDOT BECAUSE THIS IS ON A PRIVATE ROAD.
UM, BUT THEY DID MENTION THEY'D SENT US AN EMAIL THAT THERE, THE LAST COUNT FOR VEHICLES PER DAY IS 1500 VEHICLES PER DAY, I GUESS, ON SHANGLA ROAD TO, UH, TO THE COMMUNITY THERE.
BEYOND THAT, AND THEN ALSO THE, THE, UM, UH, TRANSFER STATION.
SO, UM, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING, UH, AND WE'VE WORKED WITH THE SHERIFF, UH, AND SOME COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND GETTING SOME INPUT UP TO THIS POINT.
BUT AGAIN, THESE CAN BE SUBJECT TO ADDITIONAL AMENDMENTS, BOTH BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
AND WE'LL CERTAINLY CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE SHERIFF AND, UH, ANY COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO FURTHER REVISE SOME OF THESE CONDITIONS.
I WILL READ THESE CONDITIONS SINCE MANY OF THE PEOPLE MAY NOT HAVE HAVE READ THEM, SO WE WILL AT LEAST HAVE A BASELINE ON WHAT, UH, THE EXISTING CONDITIONS ARE.
SO, UM, THERE ARE 13 CONDITIONS AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
UM, NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS, WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY, APPLICABLE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.
NUMBER TWO, A SITE PLAN WILL BE PREPARED APPROVED BY THE WARREN COUNTY PLAN, THE DEPARTMENT SHOWING THE BUILDINGS, INGRESS, EGRESS PARKING AREAS, FIREARMS RANGE, TRAINING RANGE AREA, OUTDOOR LIGHTING, LANDSCAPING, AND OTHER APPLICABLE ZONING REQUIREMENTS.
AND PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF BUILDING AND ZONING PERMITS.
I WILL MENTION WE DID RECEIVE A PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN TODAY FROM, UM, UH, ON BEHALF OF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
SO WE, WE HAVE THAT, AND THAT THAT IS UP, ACTUALLY UP ON THE SCREEN THERE.
UH, NUMBER THREE, ALL LIGHT FIXTURES SHALL BE SHIELDED WITH DARK SKY COMPLIANT FIXTURES AND COMPLY WITH WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION 180 49 0.2 FOR LIGHTING.
NUMBER FOUR, THE SITE PLAN SHALL COMPLY WITH SECTION 180 49 0.1 OF THE WARREN COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE REGARDING LANDSCAPING AND BUFFER SHALL BE INSTALLED AND MAINTAINED CONSISTING OF EVERGREEN PLANTED AT A HEIGHT OF FIVE FEET AROUND THE BOUNDARIES OF THE SHOOTING RANGE AND BORDER OF THE FACILITY.
ALL EXISTING VEGETATION AND LANDSCAPING SHALL REMAIN AS A BUFFER TO ADJACENT PARCELS AND THE TRANSFER STATION.
NUMBER FIVE SIGNAGE WILL BE INSTALLED AT THE TRANSFER STATION FROM A LOCATION VISIBLE FROM BENTONVILLE ROAD STATING LIVE, FIRE, ACTIVE FIREARMS TRAINING IS CURRENTLY TAKING PLACE WHILE THE FACILITY IS IN ACTIVE USE.
THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT DISPATCH NUMBER SHALL BE INCLUDED IN THE SIGNAGE FOR FURTHER INFORMATION.
NUMBER SIX, NO TRESPASSING SIGNAGE SHALL BE POSTED ON THE PROPERTIES AT THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO THE TRAINING FACILITY.
NUMBER SEVEN, THE USE OF MULTIDISCIPLINARY TRAINING RANGE SHALL BE LIMITED TO THE WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, FRONT, ROYAL POLICE DEPARTMENT AND OTHER LOCAL, EXCUSE ME, OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES ONLY DURING JOINT EXERCISES WITH THE WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
USE OF USE OF THE RANGE SHALL BE FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT INSTRUCTION AND TRAINING ONLY.
NUMBER EIGHT, THERE SHALL BE NO LEASING OF THE FACILITY TO OTHER JURISDICTIONS, LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES, PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS, OR COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS WITHOUT EXPLICIT APPROVAL IN WRITING FROM THE WARREN COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF.
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NINE, THERE SHALL BE NO ALLOWANCE FOR THE PERSONAL USE OF RANGE BY DEPUTIES OR EMPLOYEES OF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IN THEIR OFF-DUTY HOURS.NUMBER 10, FINDING THAT THE POTENTIAL DISTURBANCE OF THE COMMUNITY IS OUTWEIGHED BY THE BENEFIT TO THE PUBLIC INTEREST BY PERMITTING THIS FIREARMS TRAINING FACILITY.
THIS USE SHALL BE EXEMPT FROM CHAPTER 1 23 OF THE WARREN COUNTY CODE, PROVIDED THAT THE HOURS OF OPERATIONS OF THE OUTDOOR DISCHARGE OF FIREARMS SHALL BE LIMITED FROM 8:00 AM TO 8:00 PM AND NO EARLIER THAN DAWN, LOWER LATER THAN DUST.
DEPENDING ON THE SEASON, THE USE OF THE FACILITY ON SUNDAY SHALL BE PROHIBITED.
NUMBER 11, THERE SHALL BE NO MORE THAN 30 SCHEDULED TRAINING VISITS PER CALENDAR YEAR UNLESS PERMISSION IS RECEIVED FROM THE WARREN COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS 30 DAYS IN ADVANCE OF ADDITIONAL REQUESTED OR SCHEDULED EVENTS.
NEW EMPLOYEE QUALIFICATION TRAINING SHALL BE ON AN AS NEEDED BASIS FOR INDIVIDUALS AND NOT INCLUDED IN THE SCHEDULED TRAINING DATES.
NUMBER 12, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF PERSONAL PERSONNEL ATTENDING EACH TRAINING SESSION SHALL NOT EXCEED 30 PER EVENT.
AND NUMBER 13, LEAD AMMUNITION RECLAMATION AND REMEDIATION PLAN APPROVED BY THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY SHALL BE SUBMITTED PRIOR TO THE LAND USE BEING ESTABLISHED AND ZONING PERMIT BEING ISSUED FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE FOR THE LAND USE.
AND THIS, THIS CONDITION IS SUBJECT TO REVISION BASED UPON COMMENTS RECEIVED FROM VIRGINIA DEQ.
UM, I WILL MENTION THAT I'VE BEEN IN CONVERSATION WITH THE SHERIFF AND WITH, UH, WE MET WITH THE CITIZENS ON SITE AS A SITE VISIT YESTERDAY.
UM, AND THE SHERIFF HAD OFFICER ROY, UH, ROY THERE AS HER REPRESENTATIVE AND OFFICER WINTER.
THERE WERE SOME, UH, COMMENTS RELATING TO REVISIONS TO THE CONDITIONS FROM THE CITIZENS AND ALSO FROM, UH, SHERIFF KLEIN.
AND, UH, THESE CONDITIONS THAT I READ OFF TONIGHT WERE THE ONES THAT WENT IN OUR PACKETS AT THE, UH, A WEEK AGO, YOU KNOW, PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
SO, UM, SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS THAT WE GOT FROM BOTH, BOTH SHERIFF KLEIN AND, AND THE CITIZENS HAVE NOT BEEN INCORPORATED IN THESE JUST BECAUSE WE, THIS IS WHAT WE ADVERTISED OKAY.
SO, JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
UM, THE PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED, ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED.
I WILL MENTION IN THE, UH, UH, ONLINE PACKET, WE PROVIDED, UH, BUFFER MAPS THAT WERE DRAFTED, UH, BY OUR GIS DEPARTMENT OF COUNTY PROPERTIES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, UH, AS A COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS FOR THE PROXIMATE, UH, PROXIMITY OF SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS WITH ONE WITHIN ONE MILE.
AND EACH OF THOSE MAPS SHOW THE NUMBER OF HOUSES, UH, SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS WITHIN THAT, UH, ONE MILE RADIUS.
UH, WE DID INCLUDE THE TOWN'S, UH, FIREARMS TRAINING RANGE.
SO, UM, WITH THAT, I'LL, UH, LIKE TO DEFER IT TO OFFICER ROY.
UH, HE DOES HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR US, I BELIEVE THIS EVENING.
DO WE HAVE A, UH, OH, THANK YOU.
THANK YOU ALL FOR, UH, THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO COME HERE TONIGHT AND, UH, PRESENT THIS INFORMATION TO YOU.
UH, WE DO KNOW THAT THERE IS A, A COMMUNITY IMPACT.
UH, THE FOLKS ARE HERE TO, UH, TO WITNESS AND ALSO TO, TO SHARE.
AND SO WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME, UH, SPEAKING WITH THANK YOU MR. WENDLING.
I APPRECIATE, UH, ALL THE WORK YOU'VE PUT INTO IT.
UM, I'M HERE ON, UM, YOU KNOW, TO, TO SPEAK ON THIS ON BEHALF OF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND THE SHERIFF'S.
I'M A, I DO, UH, ACCREDITATION GRANTS AND TRAINING FOR THE OFFICE.
AND, UM, I'VE BEEN A FIREARMS INSTRUCTOR, UH, FOR 17 YEARS, UH, FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE SERVICES, UH, DEPARTMENT OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE SERVICES.
UH, THEY, UH, THEY'RE THE GOVERNING AUTHORITY OVER ALL OF OUR TRAINING, UH, INCLUDING OUR FIREARMS TRAINING.
AND SO EVERYTHING THAT WE DO IS SUBJECT TO DEPARTMENT OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE SERVICES HERE IN VIRGINIA.
AND SO, UM, UH, THE RESEARCH THAT WE PUT INTO THIS, UH, IS VERY EXTENSIVE.
UH, AS FAR AS, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SERVICES WOULD REQUIRE, THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY, UH, WE LOOKED INTO THE EPA, UH, WE SPOKE TO CITIZENS AROUND ACCOUNTING.
WE PUT A, UM, A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF EFFORT AND RESEARCH IN THIS, AND WE'RE STILL WORKING ON IT.
UH, YOU KNOW, AS PEOPLE ARE COMMENTING AND SHARING WITH US, UH, THE ADJUSTMENTS THAT WE'RE MAKING AT THIS POINT SEEM TO BE A LOT LESS, UH, JUST, UH, UM, MINOR TWEAKS AND CHANGES.
UH, BUT THE PRESENTATION I'M GONNA SHOW YOU TONIGHT, UH, WILL GIVE YOU JUST A REALLY GOOD PICTURE OF THE WHY AND, UH, WHAT WHAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY EXPECT AND WHAT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.
UM, SO IT IS A MULTIDISCIPLINARY RANGE, UH, MEANING THE FIREARMS RANGE IS REALLY THE BIGGEST TOPIC.
UH, BUT WE'LL DO OTHER THINGS ON THIS RANGE, AND I'LL, UH, I'LL GET INTO THAT A LITTLE FURTHER ALONG.
UH, IT IS AT THE, WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS AT THE WARREN COUNTY TRANSFER STATION, BENTONVILLE CONVENIENCE SITE.
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UH, WE DO HAVE A TWO PHASE PLAN.UH, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE FIRST PHASE IS JUST FIREARMS. UH, THIS DOES MEET MANDATED TRAINING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE AGENCY AND THE OFFICERS.
AND, UH, WE DID FIND A COST SAVINGS TO TAXPAYERS IN THIS.
UH, THIS IS NOT AN INCREASE IN ANY BUDGET WHATSOEVER.
IN FACT, WE CAN SAVE MONEY, UH, PUTTING THIS PROJECT TOGETHER.
UH, WE HAVE 74 SWORN OFFICERS, EIGHT PART-TIME, 74 FULL-TIME SWORN, UH, EIGHT PART-TIME SWORN, UH, THAT WE HAVE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY NEED TO RECEIVE TRAINING ANNUALLY.
AND A LOT OF THE TRAINING, UH, IS LISTED THERE.
UH, WE HAVE OUR PISTOLS, UH, MANY OF 'EM CARRY PATROL RIFLES.
IT'S LIKE BEANBAG TYPE, UH, WEAPONS IN, IN CASE OF USE FOR LESS THAN LETHAL, UM, SITUATIONS.
CANINE TRAINING, UH, THIS HAPPENS ACTUALLY ON A MONTHLY BASIS.
UH, SEARCH AND RESCUE AND SPECIAL OPERATIONS.
UM, MOST OF THOSE DON'T REQUIRE FIREARMS, LIVE FIRE WITH FIREARMS. UH, BUT THE PISTOL RIFLE TRAINING AND SOME OF THE SWAT OPERATIONS TRAINING REQUIRES SOME LIVE FIRE TRAINING.
UM, THE, THE OTHER JU JURISDICTION RANGES.
THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVE TO TRAVEL, UM, TO ANOTHER JURISDICTION TO GET THIS DONE.
UH, RIGHT NOW, THE ONLY CONSISTENT PLACE THAT WE CAN RELY ON IS HARPERS FERRY.
AND SO WE'RE SENDING EVERY OFFICER TO HARBOR FERRY.
AND, UM, IT, THERE'S A COST TO THAT.
AND, UH, THAT, AND IT'S PUTTING OFFICERS OUT OF THE COUNTY, UH, DURING, DURING THAT TRAINING.
AND SO WE HAVE, UH, UH, QUITE A LOGISTICAL ISSUE.
NOW, WHAT WE'VE GOT THIS FALL, OUR, OUR FALL QUALIFICATION AND TRAINING IS OCCURRING IN OCTOBER.
UH, BUT HARBORS FERRY STILL WILL NOT GUARANTEE THE RANGE UNTIL 30 DAYS BEFORE.
WE'RE LITERALLY JUST PENNSYLVANIA.
SO IF ANOTHER FEDERAL AGENCY, UH, WANTS THE RANGE ON THE DATES WE'RE LOOKING, WE THEN HAVE TO ADJUST ALL OF OUR TRAINING TIMES, ALL OF OUR SCHEDULES, AND, UH, RUN THROUGH THE WHOLE THING AGAIN.
AND IT'S COSTLY EVERY TIME WE DO THAT, BECAUSE THEN IT CHANGES SCHEDULES, GUYS TIME'S OFF.
AND, UH, IT'S A, IT'S VERY, UM, DIFFICULT LOGISTICAL ISSUE THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH, UH, WITH THE SCHEDULE, UM, WITH THE EFFICIENCY.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE DON'T GET HARPERS FERRY, WE MAY END UP AT A RANGE LIKE LERAY.
UH, LERAY IS VERY GENEROUS TO US, BUT THEY ONLY HAVE SIX TARGETS.
AND IT'S, FOR A SMALL AGENCY, IT'S A VERY, VERY SMALL RANGE, AND IT'S VERY LIMITED IN ITS CAPACITY FOR WHAT WE CAN DO.
IF WE'RE AT LERAY, THE TRAINING TIME GOES UP TO LIKE SEVEN TO NINE DAYS.
AND SO THAT'S MORE TIME BACK AND FORTH UP THE ROAD, 45 MINUTES.
UH, AND THEN IF WE BUILD THE RANGE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE GET IT DOWN TO FOUR TO FIVE DAYS, UH, MAYBE EVEN THREE TO FOUR, UH, DEPENDING ON HOW WE ORGANIZE THAT PARTICULAR TRAINING.
UM, WE, IF WE HAVE THE RANGE HERE, UM, WE, WE KEEP THE OFFICERS IN WARREN COUNTY.
IF THERE'S AN INCIDENT, IF THERE'S A MAJOR EMERGENCY, WE CAN CALL THE OFFICERS BACK FROM TRAINING AND WE CAN PUT THEM RIGHT BACK OUT ON THE ROAD AND, UH, TAKE CARE OF WHATEVER SITUATION'S GOING ON.
IT COULD BE THE WILDFIRES, IT COULD BE AN ACTIVE SHOOTER INCIDENT.
IT COULD BE A, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, MASS CASUALTY INCIDENT, WHATEVER IT COULD BE.
UH, IF THERE ARE AN HOUR AWAY IN HARBORS FERRY, THE DISTANCE AND TIME IT WOULD TAKE TO BRING THESE OFFICERS BACK AND FROM TRAINING, UH, IS, IS QUITE DIFFICULT.
AND IT COMES AT A COST OF PUBLIC SAFETY.
UM, WE, WE DO HAVE THESE EXPECTATIONS.
SO WHEN, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN IN LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR 21 YEARS, AND, UH, DURING THAT TIME, I'VE BEEN A CHIEF OF POLICE, UH, FOR SEVEN YEARS.
I RAN THE, UM, AS A DEPUTY DIRECTOR.
I WAS A, UM, OF THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE ACADEMY.
SO OVER TO SKYLINE, OVER MIDDLETOWN.
I RAN, UM, OR SUPERVISED THE BASIC PROGRAMS IN JAIL AND LAW ENFORCEMENT, AND ALSO SUPERVISED ALL THE IN-SERVICE TRAINING FOR, UH, ALL 15 NEIGHBORING AGENCIES.
I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE RANGES.
I'VE TRAINED ON EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.
UH, THE ISSUE WE HAVE GOING THESE OTHER RANGES IS THEIR COMMUNITIES ALSO DO NOT WANT US REALLY THERE.
AND WE'RE BRINGING 74 OFFICERS TO THEIR COMMUNITIES.
AND SOMETIMES THEY'RE JUST, THE ANSWER IS NO, AND WE CAN'T TRAIN AT THESE LOCATIONS.
AND SO THEN WE PULL BACK AND WE GOTTA FIND ANOTHER SPOT.
AND SO WE'RE JUST KIND OF BOUNCING AROUND ALL OVER THE PLACE.
BUT THERE'S ALSO LIMITATIONS, LIKE THIS ANNUAL QUALIFICATION, THE BARE MINIMUM ANNUAL QUALIFICATION.
AN OFFICER WILL GO UP TO THE RANGE AND HE'LL SHOOT JUST 50 ROUNDS.
THAT'S ALL D CJS IS REQUIRING TO QUALIFY WITH A WEAPON.
QUALIFICATION'S NOT TRAINING, UH, FOR TRAINING.
YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE GOTTA DO IS WE GOTTA BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH A WEAPON THAT JAMS. WE GOTTA BE ABLE TO SHOOT FROM VARIOUS POSITIONS.
WE GOTTA BE ABLE TO SHOOT AROUND A VEHICLE.
WE GOTTA BE ABLE TO SHOOT IN GROUPS.
WE GOTTA BE ABLE TO SHOOT MOVING FORWARD, MOVING BACKWARD, SIDE TO SIDE.
AND WE CAN SIMULATE THESE THINGS WITH, UM, UH, TRAINING WEAPONS, RIGHT? THAT DON'T ACTUALLY SHOOT LIVE ROUNDS.
BUT IT'S QUITE A DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE WHEN YOU ACTUALLY DO THESE THINGS WITH LIVE ROUNDS.
AND SO WE ARE VERY, VERY LIMITED IN THIS WAY.
THESE OTHER AGENCIES DO NOT WANT US DOING THE EXTRA TRAINING ON THE RANGES.
THEY'LL LET US COME DO THE MINIMUM QUALIFICATION, AND THEN THAT'S IT.
UM, THEY DON'T WANT US THERE FOR ANY LONGER THAN THAT.
SO THEY'LL GET US PAST THE MINIMUM,
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AND THAT'S IT.AND THEN WE HAVE TO FIND OTHER WAYS TO GET THIS TRAINING DONE.
AND IT, WHAT IT'S, WHAT IT'S DONE TO, UH, OR WHAT IT THE POTENTIAL IS, IS THAT YOUR EXPECTATIONS AND THE COMMUNITY'S EXPECTATIONS IS THAT, UH, THE OFFICERS ON THE STREET THAT WE RESPOND TO THESE ACTS OF VIOLENCE, IF IT'S AN ACTIVE SHOOTER, IF IT'S VIOLENT, UH, DRUG GANGS, IF IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, OTHER VIOLENT CRIMINALS OR VIOLENT ACTS, WE'RE EXPECTED TO, TO GO THERE AND GET BETWEEN THE BAD GUY AND THE PUBLIC.
AND I'VE BEEN WILLING TO DO THIS MY ENTIRE CAREER.
I'VE WORKED PATROL, I'VE WORKED INVESTIGATIONS, AND I'VE DONE THIS ALWAYS.
AND I'LL STILL DO IT TODAY IF, IF YOU CALL, I WILL COME.
AND IT'S THE SAME WITH EVERY OFFICER IN THE DEPARTMENT.
AND SO THIS, THIS IS REALLY A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE AND GETTING US TO A TRAINING LEVEL THAT WE CAN RELY ON IN A WAY THAT WE ARE THE BEST THAT WE CAN POSSIBLY BE FOR THE PEOPLE OF WARREN COUNTY.
AND SO THE RANGE IS THAT WE'VE PROPOSED, UH, WILL MEET THOSE NEEDS.
THE LEGAL LIABILITY CONSIDERATIONS REGARDING TRAINING, THIS IS, UH, A SUPREME COURT DECISION THAT RULED THAT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS CAN BE LIABLE FOR MONETARY DAMAGES WHEN DELIBERATE INDIFFERENCE TO THE NEED FOR TRAINING AND FAILURE TO TRAIN OFFICERS RESULTS IN CONSTITUTIONAL VIOLATIONS.
SO IN SITUATIONS WHERE AN OFFICER IS NOT TRAINED WELL ENOUGH AND HE HIMSELF GETS INJURED OR KILLED, OR OTHER CITIZENS GET INJURED OR KILLED, OR SITUATIONS HAPPEN BECAUSE TRAINING JUST DIDN'T MEET THAT LEVEL, IT SHOULD HAVE.
IT'S NOT JUST ME AS A TRAINER, IT'S NOT JUST A SHERIFF AS A SUPERVISOR, BUT OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT ALSO BECOMES LIABLE UNDER THIS, UH, THE SUPREME COURT DECISION.
AND SO WE HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO, UH, TO MEET THESE NEEDS.
AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE JUST BRINGING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION THAT WE NEED THIS HELP, WE NEED THIS RANGE TO GET THIS WORK DONE.
SO I WANNA, I WANNA TALK TO YOU ABOUT LOCATION CHOICE.
AND THIS IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WHY, WHY DID WE PICK THIS SPOT? UM, THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS.
UH, HERE AT THE BENTONVILLE TRANSFER STATION, UM, WITHIN A ONE MILE RADIUS, THERE ARE 62 RESIDENCES THERE, AND IT'S COUNTY OWNED PROPERTY.
SO, UH, WITH 62 RESIDENCES, IT'S CONSIDERED LOW RESIDENTIAL COMPARED TO THE OTHERS, UH, THAT WE LOOKED AT.
UH, IT'S IDEAL FOR SAFETY AND RANGE CONSTRUCTION.
SO WHEN WE WENT TO THE SITE AND LOOKED AT IT, WE DON'T HAVE TO REMOVE ANY TREES.
IT'S AN OPEN FIELD AND IT'S IN AN INCLINE.
WE EXCAVATE INTO THE HILL AND WE CREATE A NATURAL RANGE WITHOUT HAVING TO BRING IN NO DIRT'S BEING BROUGHT IN.
UH, THE CLAY AND DIRT THAT WE'RE REMOVING FROM THE SITE, THE LANDFILL ACTUALLY NEEDS IT.
SO, UH, WE TALKED TO MIKE BERRY, HE SAYS, WHATEVER, SUBSOIL AND CLAY, YOU GET OUTTA THAT.
AND SO WE WOULD BE GIVEN UP TO 300, UH, DUMP TRUCK LOADS OF DIRT BACK TO THE LANDFILL FOR USE AT THE LANDFILL.
UH, THEY ALREADY HAVE GROUND MONITORING WELLS IN PLACE.
SO SOME OF THE CONSIDERATIONS WAS LIKE, LEAD, UH, GETTING INTO THE WATER.
WELL, THE WELLS ALREADY EXIST AT THIS LOCATION.
UM, BUT WE'VE CREATED A CAPTURE SYSTEM, WHICH I'LL TALK, UH, TALK ABOUT LATER, THAT WILL GO INTO THE RANGE.
AFTER HEARING THIS CONCERN, WE'VE CREATED A WAY TO, UM, CAPTURE, UH, THE LEAD AND THEN WE CAN RECLAIM IT AND RECYCLE IT AND DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO WITH THE, WITH THE LEAD.
SO I DON'T BELIEVE THE LEAD IS AN ISSUE, BUT IF IT WAS, UM, THIS IS THE ONLY SPOT IN THE COUNTY THAT'S GOT GROUNDWATER MONITORING ALREADY IN PLACE.
THE, ANOTHER, UH, LOCATION THAT WAS MENTIONED WAS CADILLAC MOUNTAIN ROAD.
UH, THERE'S, THAT'S WHERE THE LOCATION OF THE OLD LANDFILL THAT, UM, IN ONE MILE RADIUS, WE HAVE 852 CITIZENS OR RESIDENCES, SORRY, 852 RESIDENCES IN A ONE MILE RADIUS OF THAT LOCATION.
UM, IT IS COUNTY OWNED PROPERTY.
UM, IT DOES HAVE A HIGHER IMPACT 'CAUSE IT'S MORE RESIDENTIAL.
UM, THERE'S MORE COST TO DEVELOPING IT TO MAKE THE AREA SAFE.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE THE SITE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT WE CUT INTO A HILL AND CREATE A RANGE.
THIS WOULD TAKE MORE WORK TO GET IT DONE.
UH, WE WOULD NOT HAVE A COST SAVINGS AT THIS LOCATION.
UH, THERE ARE NO GROUND MONITORING WELLS IN PLACE AT THIS LOCATION.
ROCKLAND PARK ROAD WAS ALSO SUGGESTED, IT'S ANOTHER COUNTY OWNED PROPERTY.
WITHIN ONE MILE RADIUS, WE HAVE 373 RESIDENCES.
UH, HIGHER IMPACT, AGAIN, BECAUSE IT'S MORE RESIDENTIAL, IT'S MORE COST TO DEVELOP FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.
AGAIN, WE GOT AN ISSUE WITH, IT'S JUST NOT SAFE, UH, IN THAT AREA.
IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THIS AREA, IT'S VERY HIGH PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC, HIKING, BIKING, UH, PEOPLE PLAYING FRISBEE, GOLF, UM, IN THAT AREA.
SO IT'S, IT'S NOT, UH, IDEAL, SAFE, UH, PLACE FOR, UH, FOR A RANGE.
NO GROUND MONITORING WELLS IN PLACE IN THIS LOCATION.
UH, SO THAT KIND OF THING WOULD'VE TO BE PUT IN IF THAT WAS AN ISSUE.
UH, ESA LANE, UH, THIS IS THE, THE SITE WHERE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WAS LOOKING AT PUTTING AN TRAINING FACILITY.
ALSO, UM, NUMBER OF RESIDENTS IN THE ONE MILE RADIUS OF THAT AREA IS 663.
UH, IT IS COUNTY OWNED PROPERTY.
UH, BUT WITH THE NUMBER OF RESIDENCES, WE'RE STILL AT A HIGHER IMPACT BECAUSE IT IS MORE RESIDENTIAL.
UH, IT'S MORE COST TO DEVELOP FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.
AGAIN, UH, IT'S A LOT OF TREES, A LOT OF WOODED AREA.
UH, IT IS, UH, A SIGNIFICANT, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY MORE DIFFICULT AND COSTLY TO BUILD A RANGE IN THIS AREA WITH ALSO NO GROUND MONITORING WALLS IN PLACE.
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UM, TOWN FRONT ROW RANGE WAS MENTIONED ALSO, UH, AS A, YOU KNOW, WHY NOT WORK WITH THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL? UM, WELL, WE, AGAIN, WE LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF RESIDENCES IN THE, UM, RESIDENCES IN THE AREA.IT'S 3073 WITHIN A MILE, ONE MILE RADIUS OF THE FRONT ROW RANGE.
WELL, FRONT ROYAL HAS 30 PLUS OFFICERS, LIKE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 30, 35 OFFICERS, WE WOULD BRING 74 PLUS OUR EIGHT PART-TIME TO THEIR RANGE.
UH, IT WOULDN'T TAKE LONG BEFORE THAT WOULD BE JUST BE TURNED AROUND AND SAY NO.
SO FOOT ROW ALLOWS US TO USE IT FOR SMALLER THINGS.
LIKE WE HAD A COUPLE OFFICERS THIS WEEK THAT ARE NEW GOING TO THE ACADEMY.
WE NEEDED TO QUALIFY 'EM FOR THE WENT.
THEY ALLOWED US TO USE THE RANGE, UH, FOR AN HOUR TO, UH, DO SOME SHOOTING.
UH, THERE IS SOME QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT TO, UM, GO WITH THEM IN A COST VENTURE TO BUILD A QUASI COVERED RANGE IN THAT AREA.
UM, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THERE'S NO PLANS FOR AT THIS TIME.
UH, IT'S MONEY WE DON'T HAVE, UH, BUT WE, WE HAVE TALKED TO THEM ABOUT THAT.
THERE'S NO DATE, UH, FOR THAT TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION AT THIS TIME.
UH, SO OTHER LOCATION CHOICES THAT ARE NOT GOVERNMENT OWNED, UH, WERE BROUGHT UP THE ISAAC WALTON LEAGUE.
UM, IT'S NOT ADEQUATE FOR LAW LAW ENFORCEMENT TRAINING.
UM, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU GET TO THAT LOCATION, IT JUST WON'T FIT THE NEEDS.
UH, AND, UH, IT WOULD TAKE, AGAIN, INVESTING IN PRIVATE LAND TO BUILD A RANGE TO GET SOMETHING DONE.
THE FOUR H CENTER IS ARCHERY ONLY.
UH, NOW THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE, UH, ANY KIND OF A RANGE THERE AT FOUR H NOW, UH, US CUSTOMS, THEIR RANGE IS NO LONGER OPERATIONAL.
AND THEN, UH, MIDDLETOWN FARMS RANGE.
IT DOESN'T MEET OUR TRAINING NEEDS.
SO WHAT, WHAT WE HAVE THERE IS STATIC, UM, STATIONS FOR TRAINING.
YOU CAN'T MOVE IN THE AREA TO, TO DO LAW ENFORCEMENT TRAINING.
IF YOU WANNA WORK ON MARKSMANSHIP.
UH, IT, THE RANGE IS PERFECTLY FINE, BUT TO DO LAW ENFORCEMENT TRAINING, IT WON'T MEET THAT NEED.
UH, SO THE COMMUNITY IMPACT, IT'S IMPORTANT AND, AND WE, WE ARE TAKING THIS, UH, THIS VERY SERIOUSLY.
UH, SO WE LOOK AT THE SAFETY, UH, THAT WAS A HIGH PRIORITY.
UH, WE LOOK AT THE NOISE, UH, AND THE TRAFFIC, BUT THE NOISE SEEMS TO BE THE GREATEST, UH, CONCERN AND FEEDBACK THAT WE'RE GETTING AT THIS TIME.
UH, THERE'S AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, SOME FOLKS TALKED ABOUT.
WE DID RESEARCH, UH, AND IT'S A COST OF THE PROJECT.
SO ALL OF THESE THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT, I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT THE RANGE DESIGN IN, IN A LITTLE BIT OF DETAIL HERE, SO YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE AS FAR AS THE NOISE, THE WAY, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT.
WE'RE AT AN EXISTING INDUSTRIAL SITE, UH, WITH THE, UH, TRANSFER STATION.
UM, IT'S, UH, THERE'S 127 ACRES THERE.
UH, WE ONLY NEED ONE SMALL PORTION OF IT.
UH, WE'RE WE'RE SAYING 25 TRAIN, LIVE FIRE TRAINING DAYS A YEAR, ONLY 25.
AND THAT NUMBER IS A GOOD NUMBER.
AND I'LL SHOW YOU A SCHEDULE THAT THAT WORKS FOR US.
UH, WE'VE BEEN QUESTIONED SEVERAL TIMES ABOUT, WELL, THAT SHOULD BE A BIGGER NUMBER.
UH, I KNOW, UM, MR. WENDLING PUT 30 IN THERE, UH, TO GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF A CUSHION.
UH, WE'RE VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THE NUMBER, UH, THAT WE SUGGESTED.
15 TO 20 VEHICLES AT A TIME, BECAUSE WE, WE DO THIS IN, UH, IN SHIFTS.
YOU KNOW, WE'LL BE OUT FOUR HOURS WITH A GROUP OF 10 OR 12 AND ANOTHER FOUR HOURS WITH A GROUP OF 10 OR 12, AND WE JUST KIND OF ROTATE 'EM THROUGH.
UH, THEY DON'T SHOOT FOR FOUR HOURS STRAIGHT.
UH, AND I'LL EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT A TRAINING DAY MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
UH, AND THEN THE COMPLIANCE WITH EPA AND DEQ.
I'LL GO INTO DETAIL ABOUT THAT TOO.
SO IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS DRAWING HERE, THIS IS, UM, A DRAWING THAT WE HAD, UM, COMPLETED.
SO THE TOP LINE IS THE EXISTING HILL.
UM, WE WOULD BE CUTTING INTO THAT HILL.
YOU CAN SEE TO THE FAR RIGHT THERE'S A TREE.
AND FROM, UM, THE END OF THE RANGE WHERE THERE'S 30 FOURS MEET, IT'S 67 AND A HALF FEET TO THE NEXT PROPERTY LINE ON TOP OF THAT HILL.
OKAY? SO IT'S 67 AND A HALF FEET BEFORE YOU EVEN GET TO, TO THE FENCE ON THAT PROPERTY LINE.
UH, BUT THE, THE BACK WALL IS 34 FEET HIGH.
SO TO, UM, TO GIVE YOU, UM, AN ILLUSTRATION JUST FROM THIS ROOM, UH, FROM WHERE I'M STANDING TO THE EDGE OF THAT, UM, CEILING THERE, THAT'S 15 FEET.
UH, IF YOU GO TWICE THAT PLUS ANOTHER FOUR FEET, THAT'S HOW HIGH THE BACKSTOP PROTECTION WOULD BE.
AND SO FROM THAT 34 FEET, IF YOU GO TO THE BACK OF THE ROOM, IT'S 70 FEET TO THE BACK OF THIS ROOM.
AND SO 70 FEET TO THE BACK OF THE ROOM, YOU GO 34 FEET FROM THERE.
BY THE TIME YOU GET TO A HUNDRED FEET BACK, THE SIDE WALL IS STILL 12 FEET HIGH ON BOTH SIDES.
YOU CAN SEE ALL THE WAY OUT TO 180 FEET.
UH, THAT'S THE HEIGHT OF A HUMAN BEING, ALMOST ALL THE WAY UP TO 180 FEET, UH, IS WHAT WE'VE GOT.
SO IT'S, IT'S KINDA LIKE BEING IN A BOX ALMOST UNDERGROUND, IF YOU CAN IMAGINE, UM, IMAGINE THAT SCENARIO.
OKAY? UH, AT THE, AT THE FRONT OF THE RANGE, UH, THIS IS, IF YOU'RE LOOKING INTO THE RANGE, YOU CAN SEE THAT IT WILL BE SLOPED ON EITHER SIDE.
AND THEN THAT WALL AND THE, THE LITTLE PEOPLE THERE, THEY'RE,
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THEY'RE THERE FOR SCALE.UH, TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, UH, THIS IS, THIS IS AN INCREDIBLY SAFE RANGE.
UH, WHEN, WHEN I COMPARE THIS TO ANY OTHER RANGE I FOUND ON, FROM AUGUSTA COUNTY ALL THE WAY UP TO REDERICK COUNTY, THERE'S NOT A RANGE THAT HAS THIS LEVEL OF, UH, SAFETY AND, UM, COVERAGE FOR TRAINING.
THIS IS THE MOST SIGNIFICANT I'VE SEEN TO DATE IN THIS AREA.
BUT WHAT WE'RE PUTTING IN THE BACKSTOP, ANOTHER, UM, THE WAY THE CAPTURE SYSTEM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UH, RAILROAD TIES.
THEY'RE ALL DONATED FROM NORFOLK SOUTHERN.
IT'S GONNA BE SIX, SIX FEET WIDE, WHICH IS THE ACTUAL WIDTH OF THE SHOOTING LANES.
SO THE WIDTH OF THE OPENINGS 106, BUT THE SHOOTING LANES ARE ONLY 66 FEET WIDE, 10 LANES, 66 FEET WIDE.
WE'LL HAVE, UM, A 10 FOOT HIGH WALL RAILROAD TIES ON FRONT OF THOSE VERY HEAVY RUBBER MATS.
AND THEN BEHIND THAT, WE POUR SAND UP INTO, UH, THE BARRIER IN THE BACK.
THAT SYSTEM THERE CATCHES, UH, IS MEANT TO CATCH THE LEAD, AND THEN WE RECLAIM FROM THAT AND REPAIR AND, AND TAKE THOSE DOWN.
UM, I CAN TELL YOU ABOUT THE COST OF THAT HERE IN JUST A MINUTE.
UH, 'CAUSE THERE IS A LITTLE COST TO THAT ANNUALLY TO, UH, TAKING CARE OF THAT, THAT SORT OF THING.
THIS IS A, UH, DETAILED SCALE FROM THE SITE PLAN.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THAT SITE PLAN THAT JOE BRO, UH, JOE BROGAN PROVIDED, THIS IS WITHIN HIS SITE PLAN.
AND IT'S, UM, UM, A DETAILED PORTION OF IT.
SO YOU, YOU'RE LOOKING DOWN AT THE RANGE IN EACH ONE OF THOSE, UH, LITTLE BLACK CIRCLES, THOSE ARE TREES.
AND THOSE, THERE'S 18 TREES GONNA BE PLANTED ALONG, UH, THE BORDER ON THE SLOPE.
SO 34 FEET UP, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TREES PLANTED, AND THEN DOWN A HILL FROM EACH SIDE.
UH, AND YOU CAN SEE THE, THE DRIVEWAY COMING IN.
A LITTLE BIT OF A PARKING AREA THERE, UH, IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
SO THESE, THESE ARE NOT EXACT DESIGNS OF THE RANGE WE'RE DOING.
I WAS TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO, TO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
SO, UH, IF YOU LOOK TO THE LEFT, THAT GIVES YOU IDEA OF WHAT A, THE BOX MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
UH, OURS WOULD BE, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, PROBABLY A LITTLE LONGER, BUT MORE SLOPE ON THE SIDEWALLS.
NOT QUITE, UH, BUILT LIKE THAT.
UH, BUT THAT GIVES YOU SOME SORT OF AN EXAMPLE RIGHT THERE TO THE, TO THE RIGHT.
THAT IMAGE, UH, WOULD BE THE RAILROAD TIES WITH THE HEAVY RUBBER MATS AND, UM, UH, WITH THE SAND BEHIND IT.
AGAIN, THAT'S NOT THE EXACT DESIGN, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AT THE END OF THE RANGE.
THE SCHEDULE, UH, YOU CAN SEE HERE.
I'LL GO DOWN IT, UH, PRETTY QUICKLY.
OUR SWAT TEAM TRAINING HAPPENS TWICE A MONTH.
UH, AND IT'S PROBABLY, UH, FOUR TO SIX HOURS.
UM, AS FAR AS, UM, FIREARMS THOUGH, THERE'S ONLY SIX FIREARMS TRAININGS WITH OUR SWAT TEAM A YEAR.
UH, THE REST OF THE TRAINING IS NOT DONE LIVE FIRE.
IT'S, IT'S DONE WITH THE VEHICLE OR IT'S DONE WITH MOVEMENT WITHIN A BUILDING OR SOME OTHER, UH, TYPE OF ACTIVITY.
UH, SO SPRINT QUALIFICATIONS, IT'S, IT'S A FOUR DAY TRAINING.
UH, IT'S AN EIGHT HOUR DAY, BUT WITHIN THAT EIGHT HOUR DAY, IT'S NOT EIGHT HOURS OF SHOOTING.
UH, WHEN I, WHEN I GET TO, TO THE RANGE WITH A GROUP OF 10, WE'RE GOING TO GO OVER RANGE SAFETY AND THEN, UH, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA INSPECT THEIR FIREARMS AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE, UH, PROPERLY CLEANED AND THAT THEY'RE SERVICEABLE AND THAT THEIR EQUIPMENT WORKS, THEIR HOLSTERS, THEIR SITES, AND, AND ALL THE EQUIPMENT THAT THEY HAVE.
WE'RE GONNA COVER USE OF FORCE.
WE'RE GONNA COVER, UH, FIREARMS POLICY.
WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH A TRAINING SESSION EVEN BEFORE WE GET UP ON THE RANGE.
ONCE WE GET UP ON THE RANGE, WE'LL DO OUR 50 ROUND QUALIFICATION.
FROM THERE, WE WILL, UH, GO BACK UP.
WE'LL WORK ON SOME IMMEDIATE ACTION DRILLS.
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A WEAPON, UH, STOPS WORKING? WE'LL WORK ON MULTIPLE TARGET ENGAGEMENT.
WE'LL WORK ON FAILURE DRILLS WITH TARGETS.
WE'LL WORK ON MOVEMENT DRILLS.
AND, UH, THIS WHOLE SESSION, UH, WILL TAKE ABOUT FOUR HOURS FOR 10 PEOPLE TO GET THROUGH.
AND THEN WE'LL RUN ANOTHER 10.
AND WE DO THESE IN HEATS LIKE THIS.
AND SO IT, THE, THE SHOOTING IS NOT OVER FOUR HOURS.
THEY'LL SHOOT SOME ROUNDS AND THEY'LL COME BACK AND THEY'LL SHOOT SOME ROUNDS, AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK.
AND SO THE TIMEFRAME IN THE MORNING WILL BE FOUR HOURS, BUT NOT FOUR HOURS OF CONSTANT SHOOTING, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
UM, SO THAT'S A SPRING QUALIFICATION DAY.
AND THEN WE DO A FALL QUALIFICATION ALSO.
UM, IF WE ADD ALL OF THAT, EVEN WITH THE NEW HIRES, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT 15 DAYS OF SCHEDULED TRAINING, 15 DAYS OF SCHEDULED TRAINING OUT THE ENTIRE YEAR.
UH, THE POSSIBLE, ADDITIONAL SCHEDULED DAYS, WE'RE JUST SAYING IT COULD BE TWO TO SEVEN, DEPENDING ON, UH, THE YEAR.
MAYBE WE NEED TO FOCUS ON SOMETHING ELSE IN PARTICULAR, MAYBE A NEW LAW COMES IN THAT SAYS, OFFICERS MUST BE TRAINED IN ANOTHER TECHNIQUE OR TACTICAL FOR A CERTAIN SITUATION.
SO WE WOULD SAY TWO TO SEVEN ADDITIONAL SCHEDULED DAYS, UH, MAY BE ADDED, AND IT MAY BE A COMBINED EFFORT.
SO MAYBE THE FRONT ROW POLICE, UH, SWAT TEAM AND OUR SWAT TEAM NEED TO DO A COMBINED EXERCISE BECAUSE THEY RESPOND TOGETHER TO INCIDENTS WITHIN THIS AREA.
SO ONCE IN A WHILE, MAYBE ONCE A YEAR, THEY GET TOGETHER AND THEY WORK TOGETHER IN A TRAINING SESSION.
AND IT'S NOT ALWAYS FIREARMS, BUT IT COULD BE.
AND SO THOSE TWO TO SEVEN DAYS, UH, INCLUDES THOSE ADDITIONAL, UM, POSSIBLE ADDITIONAL DAYS, THE COST OF SAVINGS.
SO WHEN WE JUST LOOK AT JUST THE TRAVEL, JUST
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THE TRAVEL AND, UH, AND THE OVERTIME THAT IT TAKES JUST TO GET TO HARPER'S FERRY, WE'RE GONNA SAVE 15,000 PLUS A YEAR.THAT'S JUST TRAVEL, AND THAT'S JUST HARPER'S FERRY, AND IT'S JUST FOR QUALIFICATION.
IF WE LOOK AT ALL THE OTHER TRAINING THAT WE'RE DOING, IT'S, THERE'S MORE SAVINGS.
SO WHEN OUR SWAT GUYS ARE GOING OUT THERE SIX DAYS, AND WE'RE DOING OTHER SPECIAL TRAININGS, WE'RE, WE'RE SPENDING MORE THAN THIS, BUT WE'RE GONNA SAVE $15,000 A YEAR, UH, JUST BY HAVING THE RANGE HERE.
THERE IS THE ADDED BENEFIT OF 300, UH, LOADS OF SOIL GOING BACK TO, UH, TO THE LANDFILL.
SO THE LANDFILL WON'T HAVE TO PURCHASE, UH, CLAY OR DIRT IF IT, IF IT WAS NEEDED.
UM, THE EXCAVATION IS DONATED BY LOCAL CONTRACTORS.
WE HAVE THAT COMMITMENT FOR LOCAL, UH, CONTRACTORS.
RAILROAD TIES ARE DONATED BY THE RAILROAD.
THERE'S NO COST TO THE RAILROAD TIES, THE 18 TREES, UH, WE DON'T HAVE THE DONATIONS YET.
WE'RE VERY CONFIDENT WE CAN GET 18 TREES DONATED FOR THE PROJECT.
AND THERE'S A, THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT, UH, SUPPORT, UH, WHAT WE'RE DOING QUITE A BIT.
AND SO, UH, WE DON'T SEE A PROBLEM THERE.
UH, THE RSW JAIL, UH, THEY, THEY SEND OUT CREWS TO DO MOWING FOR THE, THE ACADEMY AND, AND OTHER PUBLIC SERVICE, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, AGENCIES.
AND SO, UH, WE ARE, UH, YOU KNOW, REQUESTING FROM, UH, SUPERINTENDENT GILKERSON TO ALLOW US TO HAVE SOME, SOMEONE TO MOW THE FIELD.
SO EVEN MAINTENANCE ON THE FIELD WEEKLY, UH, AND THROUGH THE SUMMER AND SPRING FALL, UH, WE BELIEVE WE CAN MAINTAIN THAT STILL AT NO COST.
UH, SO THAT $600 ANNUALLY REPLACE THE HEAVY DUTY RUBBER MATS.
THAT'S THE COST THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ANNUALLY TO MAINTAIN THE RANGE ABOVE WHAT WE'RE ALREADY PAYING.
SO WE ALREADY HAVE IN OUR BUDGET FOR THE TARGETS.
WE ALREADY HAVE IT IN THE BUDGET FOR OUR WEAPONS, AND WE ALREADY HAVE IT IN THE BUDGET FOR OUR AMMUNITION.
WELL, THERE'S NO ADDITION TO THE BUDGET IN THAT WAY.
$600 A YEAR IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT SPENDING, UH, WITH THE RANGE, WITH THE 15,000, UH, SAVINGS, UH, FROM TRAVEL, UH, IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL PLAN.
UH, WE DID SPEAK TO DEQ QUITE A BIT ABOUT THIS, UH, TO GET, UH, UH, SOME RECOMMENDATIONS AND, AND CERTAINLY WHAT, UH, THEY WOULD PROJECT WOULD BE REQUIREMENTS.
UH, BUT IN OUR ENVIRONMENTAL PLAN, UH, WE ARE GONNA USE, UM, THAT SYSTEM WE SPEAK ABOUT, SPOKE ABOUT WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, THE SAND, THE RUBBER MATS AND TIES TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE BULLETS ARE NOT ACTUALLY GOING INTO THE LAND.
UH, WE'RE GONNA CAPTURE ALL THAT.
UH, THE GRADING AND THE RANGE PREVENT RUNOFF TO PROTECT THE NATURAL, UH, RESOURCES IN THAT AREA.
UH, THE CONTRACTORS ARE GONNA STAY, STAY WITH BUILDING CODE AND WHAT'S REQUIRED FOR REMOVING DIRT.
WE'RE GONNA STAY WITHIN ALL THOSE REGULATIONS TO MAKE SURE IT'S, IT'S BUILT THE PROPER WAY.
UH, LEAD RECOVERY FOR RECYCLING SHOULD OCCUR A MINIMUM OF EVERY FIVE YEARS.
SO IT CAN REMAIN WITHIN THAT SYSTEM FOR UP TO FIVE YEARS.
AND THEN WHEN WE CAN ACTUALLY RECLAIM IT AND, UH, MAKE MONEY OFF OF THE LEAD RECLAMATION, UH, EVERY FIVE YEARS, UM, UH, THE BRASS AND DEBRIS ON THE RANGE IS CLEANED UP EVERY SINGLE DAY.
SO WE GO, SHOOT, AS SOON AS YOU'RE DONE SHOOTING, EVERYBODY WALKS AROUND, POLICES UP THE RANGE.
EVERY AGENCY I'VE EVER BEEN TO, UM, RESOURCE CONSERVATION AND RECOVERY ACT, UH, THIS IS FROM THE EPA, UM, THIS, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS NOT ACTUALLY SUBJECT TO THIS ACT.
AND SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, LEAD SHOT IS NOT CONSIDERED HAZARDOUS WASTE WHEN IT'S DISCHARGED FROM OUR FIREARM.
'CAUSE IT'S COMING FROM AN OBJECT OF ITS INTENDED PURPOSE.
SO AS LONG AS IT'S WITH ITS INTENDED PURPOSE, IT'S NOT HAZARDOUS WASTE ACCORDING TO THIS ACT.
UH, AND IF IT'S, IF IT'S RECYCLED, IT'S CONSIDERED SCRAP METAL, IT'S STILL NOT CONSIDERED HAZARDOUS WASTE BY THE RECOVERY ACT.
WITH THE EPA, THE DEQ COMPLIANCE, I'VE HAD PERSONAL CONVERSATIONS, UH, DIRECTLY WITH, UH, DEQ, AND WE'VE HAD MEETINGS WITH, UH, MIKE BERRY, UH, JAMIE, UH, AND, UH, OTHERS AND THE SHERIFF.
WE, WE'VE ALL BEEN IN THESE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE EQ TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK WITH WHAT'S GOING ON.
UH, WHETHER IT IT EXPANDS OR, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LANDFILL OR NOT.
UH, WE WANNA STAY IN COMPLIANCE.
UH, SO DEQ, UH, WHAT WE GOT FROM THEM WAS THE RANGE.
UH, WE DO KNOW THAT THE RANGE IS NOT GONNA BE LOCATED WHERE WASTE DISPOSAL HAS OCCURRED.
NO WASTE HAS EVER BEEN BURIED ON THE SITE.
WE'RE AT, UM, USE OF THE RANGE WILL NOT.
THE, UH, DEQ REQUIREMENT IS, IS THAT OUR USE OF THE RANGE CANNOT INTERFERE WITH TRANSFER STATION ACTIVITY.
SO COMING IN AND OUT OF THE RANGE, WE, WE JUST CAN'T INTERFERE WITH THE OPERATION.
WE DRIVE THROUGH, GET TO OUR SITE, WE DRIVE OUT AND LEAVE.
UH, WE DON'T HANG OUT IN THE PARKING LOT AND DISRUPT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE, UH, WHO NEED ACCESS.
UM, ACCESS IS LIMITED TO SHERIFF'S OFFICE BUSINESS TRAINING ONLY.
UH, ENSURE RESTRICTED ACCESS TO PREVENT LEGAL DISPOSAL AFTER HOURS.
SO IF THERE WAS A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE TRAINING, UH, AND, UH, THE, THE TRANSFER STATION WAS CLOSED FOR THE DAY, WE HAVE ACCESS.
WE CANNOT ALLOW PEOPLE IN TO DUMP TRASH ILLEGALLY.
UH, WE, WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT
WE WOULD CERTAINLY COMPLY WITH DEQ IN THAT WAY.
UH, ACCESS THROUGH THE TRANSPORTATION, UH, TRANSFER STATION IS LIMITED TO RANGE USE ONLY, OF COURSE.
AND ALL CONSTRUCTION AND USE DESIGNED TO PROTECT THE GROUNDWATER, UH, MONITORING VENT PROBES.
SO THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT DEQ LISTED TO US.
UH, SHE SENT ME AN EMAIL, THIS IS WHAT'S GONNA BE REQUIRED, AND WE NEED TO HAVE IN OUR PLAN HOW WE'RE GONNA DEAL WITH THAT.
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ALL OF THESE, UH, SITUATIONS THAT, UH, PICTURE THERE IS ONE OF THE MONITORING WELLS IN THAT FIELD RIGHT THERE.UH, THIS IS, UM, UM, A, UM, SKETCH OF WHAT THE RANGE MIGHT LOOK LIKE, UH, WHAT WE HOPE IT'LL LOOK LIKE.
UH, THE BLUE CIRCLES ARE WHERE THERE ARE TWO MONITORING WELLS, AND THE, THE ONE TO THE RIGHT'S GOT A BIGGER BLUE THAT'S GIVING YOU SCALE OF HOW FAR, UH, SO THAT, THAT IS A HUNDRED FEET FROM THE SHOOTING LINE.
AND THEN IT'LL BE, OF COURSE, A GIANT BERM.
UM, NOT REALLY A BERM WILL BE UNDERGROUND.
UH, IT WILL BE ACTUALLY UNDER, YOU KNOW, UH, AWAY FROM THAT.
UH, SO THERE WAS SOME CONCERN OF LIKE, OH, WHAT IF THERE WAS METHANE AND THESE KINDS OF THINGS.
WELL, EVEN IN THE CONVERSATION WITH DEQ AT THIS DISTANCE, IT'S, IT'S NOT A HAZARD ON METHANE FOR THE FIREARMS RANGE FROM THIS DISTANCE.
UH, SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE EVEN PUT IT IN A POSITION THAT COMPLIED WITH THAT ALSO.
UH, SO IN THIS FIRST PHASE, WHICH YOU SEE IS A DRIVEWAY, A PARKING AREA, AND THEN OUR LANES FOR SHOOTING, THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR IN THE FIRST PHASE.
UM, IF WE'RE, UM, PERMITTED TO GO ONTO A SECOND PHASE, THE ONLY ADDITION WOULD BE AN OBSTACLE COURSE FOR SPECIAL OPERATIONS OFFICERS.
IF YOU'VE EVER SEEN LIKE MILITARY OBSTACLE COURSES WHERE THEY GOTTA CLIMB THINGS AND ROPES, AND THERE'S NO FIREARMS USED IN THIS AREA.
THIS IS FOR EXERCISE AND PREPARATION FOR, YOU KNOW, DEALING WITH VERY DIFFICULT THINGS.
THEY GOTTA CRAWL, THEY GOTTA CLIMB, THEY GOTTA JUMP THROUGH, THEY GOTTA DO DIFFICULT THINGS.
WE WANT 'EM TO BE ABLE TO DO THEIR JOB RIGHT.
UH, THE CANINE OBSTACLE COURSE, HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THAT DOG AGILITY COURSE? THEY'VE GOT THE LITTLE RAMPS AND THINGS ON THE FIELD.
WE, WE HAVE TO KEEP OUR DOGS IN SHAPE TOO.
UM, BUT ALSO ALONG WITH THIS, WE'LL, WE'LL DO ARTICLE SEARCHES.
SO OUR DOGS, THEY FIND EVIDENCE IF SOMEONE IS STABBED OR SHOT AND THE WEAPON'S THROWN OFF INTO A FIELD OR WOODS, UH, WE SEND THE DOG OUT TO LOOK FOR IT.
THIS IS A VERY SAFE PLACE THAT WE CAN CONDUCT THAT KIND OF TRAINING AND WORK ON OUR DOGS.
UM, AND THEN THE LAW FIT COURSE, THAT'S AN EXERCISE COURSE FOR THE OFFICER THEMSELVES.
IT'S A, IT'S A VERY SMALL OBSTACLE COURSE.
IT'S GOT A WALL, IT'S GOT A STEP, IT'S GOT A WINDOW, AND IT SIMULATES A PURSUIT ACTIVITY.
SO IF WE WERE CHASING, UH, SOMEONE WHO WAS A CRIMINAL, A VIOLENT PERSON WHO'S RUNNING FROM US, THIS SIMULATES WHAT WE MIGHT HAVE TO DO IN AN ACTUAL PURSUIT SCENARIO.
SO AT THIS, AT THIS POINT, WE, WE HAVE CONSULTED WITH LANDFILL STAFF.
UH, WE'VE GOTTEN GUIDANCE FROM AND REQUIREMENTS FROM THE DEQ.
UH, WE, WE DIDN'T REACH OUT TO EPA, SHE SENT ME THE EPA REQUIREMENTS.
I LOOKED OVER THE REQUIREMENTS, ADAM TO IT.
WE DON'T, UH, EPA DOES NOT GOVERN WHAT WE'RE DOING BECAUSE IT'S NOT HAZARDOUS WASTE.
UH, RANGE DESIGN AND PLAN HAS BEEN PREPARED, AND IT'S BEING ADJUSTED SLIGHTLY.
UM, SOME OF THE, UH, CONDITIONS AND, AND THIS, SOME OF THE ADJUSTMENT IS INPUT FROM THE SHERIFF AND ALSO INPUT FROM CITIZENS.
SO WHEN WE SHARED WITH THEM YESTERDAY AND WE GOT INPUT FROM THEM, UH, THERE WERE THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT THAT WE SAY, OH, YEAH, WE WE'RE WILLING TO WORK ON SOME THINGS.
UH, THEY, THEY TEND TO BE MINOR CHANGES, NOT, NOT BIG THINGS.
UM, APPLICATION FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY,
UH, AND THEN, UH, WE DO, WE MEET WITH THE RESIDENTS FOR PRO SITE.
I'VE BEEN OUT TO HOMEOWNERS MEETINGS.
I'VE MET WITH THEM OUT AT THE RANGE.
UH, UH, ANSWER PHONE CALLS, MADE MYSELF AVAILABLE.
SHERIFF'S MADE HERSELF AVAILABLE.
UM, WE'VE, WE'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK TO, TO GET TO THIS POINT.
UM, THAT'S THE ENTIRE PRESENTATION.
OH, I DO HAVE SITE PLANS AND SOME OF THOSE DRAWINGS.
IF, IF ANY OF YOU WOULD LIKE THEM, I HAVE THEM HERE.
CAN WE ASK QUESTIONS? NOT YET.
MS. WEDLING? I, I HAVE NOTHING TO ADD.
UM, YEAH, THE, THE SITE PLANS, UH, WERE PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION PRIOR TO THE MEETING, AND, AND, UH, WE WERE ABLE TO REVIEW 'EM DURING THE WORK SESSION, SO, EXCELLENT.
UH, FOR THE MOST RECENT SITE PLAN.
AND THE CONCEPT PLANS WERE INCLUDED IN, UH, PACKETS FOR THE BOARD, UH, FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UH, SO YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY ALONG WITH THE OTHER, UH, MAPS THAT WERE PROVIDED.
WITH THAT, WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE WILL BE VIGOROUSLY ENFORCE THE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT AS YOU CAN THERE.
WE ALSO, AS I STATED PRIOR, YOU'LL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES.
AND THE LAST ONE THAT I'D LIKE TO MAKE IS IF SOMEONE COMES UP AND MAKES THE POINT THAT YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE, YOU DON'T NEED TO MAKE THE POINT AGAIN, JUST COME UP AND SAY YOU AGREE WITH 'EM, AND WE'LL TAKE NOTE AND WE'LL GO ACCORDINGLY.
ALLISON, WHO'S OUR FIRST? LORRAINE SMER.
I RESIDE AT 1965 BENTONVILLE, UH, ROAD, BENTONVILLE, VIRGINIA.
MY HOME IS DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE PROPOSED FIRING RANGE TRAINING CENTER, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.
FOR YEARS, I HAVE SUFFERED WITH THE EFFECTS FROM OPERATION OF THE PREVIOUS LANDFILL, AND NOW THE TRANSFER STATION, LISTENING TO THE NOISES,
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THE BEEPING OF EQUIPMENT BUMPS AND BANGS FROM MOVING DUMPSTERS, THE GRINDING MULCH, LARGE TRUCKS ON HOW MANY TRUCKS MATT GO BY EVERY DAY THAT THE TRAFFIC ON THAT LAND, THAT ALL GOES BY MY HOUSE.UM, NOW THERE'S A PROPOSAL TO INSTALL THE FIRING RANGE, WHICH REALLY VIOLATES MY HUMAN RIGHTS TO A PEACEFUL EXISTENCE.
I MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING PEACEFUL ABOUT IT.
IN ADDITION, MY HOME IS SUBJECT TO WATER CON CONTAMINATION AND METHANE GAS, MY WELL HAD TO BE REPLACED.
IT HAS TO BE TESTED EVERY SIX MONTHS.
MY BASEMENT IS CONSTANTLY MONITORED FOR METHANE.
EVERY TWO WEEKS, THEY COME AND CHECK MY BASEMENT FOR METHANE IN BETWEEN, I GUESS I JUST BLOW UP.
UH, MY GRANDSON'S WELL HAD TO BE REPLACED.
I HAD TO GIVE HIM A RIGHT OF WAY, GRANT AN EASEMENT FOR THAT, BECAUSE HIS PIECE OF PROPERTY IS TOO SMALL TO GET OUT OF THE DANGER ZONE.
THEN I HAD TO GRANT AN EASEMENT FOR ABOUT 11 ACRES OF MY PROPERTY THAT I CAN'T DEVELOP ALL ROAD FRONTAGE.
MY PROPERTY HAS BEEN DEVALUED, AND THIS IS GONNA FURTHER DE EVALUATE THAT PROPERTY.
UH, THE WELLS BORDERING, UM, THE PROPOSED SITE HAVE PREVIOUSLY TESTED FOR METHANE.
THEY HAVEN'T TESTED RECENTLY, BUT SHOULD THEY BE TESTED, THERE WILL BE PROBLEMS FOR THE RANGE BECAUSE THEY WILL HAVE TO DO WELLS OR INCLUDE MONITORING IN THAT AREA.
UH, SHOULD THIS SITE BE APPROVED, THE WHOLE PROPERTY SHOULD BE INCORPORATED.
THAT PIECE WAS, UH, UM, SET ASIDE FOR, UH, A, UH, I GUESS A BORDER TO KEEP THE METHANE AWAY FROM THE METHANE, BUT IT SHOULD BE INCORPORATED SO THAT IT IS INCLUDED IN ANY DEQ UM, REGULATIONS.
UH, THERE ARE AREAS IN WARREN COUNTY THAT MAY BE MORE SUITABLE FOR A FIRING RANGE WITH LESS RISK FOR METHANE OR NEIGHBORHOOD DISTURB DISTURBANCES.
WARREN COUNTY OWNS A LOT OF LAND.
THERE'S ONE PARTICULAR PROPERTY NEXT TO THE DOMINION PLANT WHERE NOISE WOULDN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE.
THAT COUNTY OWNS THAT PROPERTY.
WHY DON'T THEY LOOK AT THAT BETTER? STILL DO A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN LIKE MOST PEOPLE DO, SO THAT THEY CAN GET IT ON THE BOOKS AND MAYBE PAY FOR INDOOR PLACE.
I URGE YOU TO, TO, UM, I ASK YOU TO TABLE THIS UNTIL FURTHER THINGS CAN BE EXPLORED.
UH, PLAZA IS NOT ALLOWED EITHER.
CHEERINGS, BOOZE, NONE OF THAT.
I LIVE AT 3 3 8 TREE FARM LANE, ALSO DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE LAND OR THE WASTE TRANSFER STATION.
THEY ALL LIVE ACROSS THE ROAD TOO, AND AS MY MOTHER STATED, YOU KNOW, THERE HAS BEEN CONTAMINATION ON THEIR WELLS.
SO THE NEW PROPOSED SHERIFF FIRING RANGE, WHICH IS REQUESTED ON THE LAND THAT THE COUNTY PURCHASED, IS A BARRIER TO CONTAIN THE, THE CONTAMINATION BEHIND THE LANDFILL.
YOU KNOW, THIS COULD CAUSE MORE CONTAMINATION TO THE WATER, THE UNDERGROUND WATER.
AND I'VE RESEARCHED SOME OF THIS WITH SOME ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS.
SO THE ENVIRONMENTAL WORKING GROUP IN WASHINGTON DC REPORT SHOWS THAT SHOOTING RANGES ARE LIKELY TO BE ONE OF THE BIGGEST SOURCES OF LEAD POLLUTION IN THE COUNTRY.
AFTER THE RESEARCH, AFTER THE RESEARCH, JUST 15 CUSTOMERS SHOOTING 50 ROUNDS A DAY AT A FIRING RANGE WOULD PUT NEARLY BILLIONS OF POUNDS OF LEAD INTO THE ENVIRONMENT PER YEAR.
THIS IS MORE LEAD POLLUTION THAN IS PRODUCED BY ANY OTHER INDUSTRY EXCEPT FOR METAL MINING, MANUFACTURING, AND WASTE RECOVERY OPERATIONS.
THE NATION FIRING RANGE REPRESENTS A MAJOR POTENTIAL SOURCE OF LEAD IN THE WATER AND WILDLIFE AND POTENTIAL LIABILITY.
AND THEREBY PROPERTY OWNERS WHO MAY FIND THEMSELVES LIVING NEXT TO HAZARDOUS WASTE SITES AND WHO MIGHT BE VICTIMS OF LEAD POISONING.
AT THE VERY LEAST, THE MODERN, THE MODERN, THE MODERATE LEVEL OF ACTIVITY IS QUITE POSSIBLY THAT EVERY FIRE RANGE IN THE US IS CONTAMINATED WITH LEAD LEVELS THAT WOULD TRIGGER A SUPERFUND CLEANUP.
I DON'T THINK THE COUNTY WANTS TO
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PAY FOR THAT.A TOTALLY DISSOLVED IN WATER SUPPLY LEAD CONTAINED IN ONE SINGLE BULLET COULD CONTAMINATE THE AMOUNT OF WATER CONSUMED BY HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE.
A 12 GAUGE SHOTGUN SHELL, WHICH HAS 28 GRAMS OF LEAD CAN CONTAMINATE.
1.8 MILLION INDIVIDUALS COULD BE AFFECTED BY THAT ONE SHELL, A 48, SHE A 48 BULLET, WHICH IS 12 GRAMS, CAN AFFECT 800,000.
A 33, A 33, WHICH IS 8.1 GRAMS OF LEAD CAN AFFECT 540 INDIVIDUALS DAILY.
A NINE MILLIMETER 7.5 GRAMS OF LEAD IS A HUNDRED, IS 500,000.
AS MY MOTHER STATED, THERE ARE OTHER SITES AND COULD BE BETTER SUITED, BUT AT THE VERY LEAST, AN IMPACT, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDY AND COORDINATION WITH THE DEQ NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE BEFORE THIS PROCEEDS.
THANK YOU, JEFF BAGGER, UH, GOOD EVENING PLANNING COMMISSION.
I LIVE AT 3 3 9 RIVER RIDGE DRIVE.
UH, I RECENTLY PURCHASED PROPERTY, THE PROPERTY RIGHT BEHIND THE, THE TRANSFER STATION ON APRIL 16TH OF THIS YEAR.
SO IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN TOUGH ON ME, UH, TO, TO REALIZE THAT WITHIN 30 DAYS OF ME BUYING THIS, I GOT A PHONE CALL FROM SHANE COOK SAYING THAT, HEY, WE'RE GONNA PUT ON A FIRE RANGE AND THEY'RE GONNA BE SHOOTING YOUR WAY.
THAT 67 FEET IS IN THIS ROOM, AND THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE FROM THE BACK OF THAT BERM TO MY FENCE, ONLY 30 DAYS FOR THEM.
BUT THAT'S 30 DAYS THAT I WON'T BE ABLE TO WALK AROUND THAT 22 ACRES IN ORDER TO, TO ENJOY MY LIFE, ENJOY THE QUIETNESS, UH, THE NOISE LEVEL.
SO I LOOKED UP CHAPTER 1 23, ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR, WARREN COUNTY, THE, THE 7TH OF MAY, 1990.
IT SAYS, WHAT IS A NOISE? ANY SANDWICH MAY CAUSE OR, OR TEND TO CAUSE AN ADVERSE PSYCHOLOGICAL OR PHYSIOLOGICAL EFFECT ON HUMAN BEINGS.
HOW IS THIS MEASURED? DBA, THE SOUND PRESSURE LEVEL IS MEASURED ON SOUND METER SET TO LOW RESPONSE AND TO THE, A WEIGHTED SCALE TO APPROXIMATELY FREQUENT RESPONSE TO THE HUMAN AUDITORY SYSTEM.
THE NINE MILLIMETER AT THE OFF THE MUZZLE PUTS OUT 159.8 DECIBELS.
THE M 16 PUTS OUT 157 UP TO 183.
THESE LOSE ABOUT 60 DBAS OR 5.9 EVERY A HUNDRED YARDS.
I'M LESS THAN A HUNDRED YARDS AWAY.
MR. COOK, WHICH HAS COWS AT THIS POINT, IS A HUNDRED YARDS TO HIS COWS.
NOW, DO YOU THINK THE THE FIRST SHOT OR THE FIRST 50 SHOTS WOULD, IS GONNA SCARE HIS COWS? I MEAN, A, A, A BULL.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW REALLY WHAT A BULL IS WORTH, BUT A GOOD BULL COULD BE WORTH A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
IS THE BOARD PREPARED TO, TO REPLACE THAT BULL? THE, UH, UH, CHAPTER 1 23 OF FOUR, IT SHALL BE UNLAWFUL FOR A PORT PERSON TO OPERATE OR PERMIT TO BE OPERATED, ANY NOISE SOURCE IN SUCH A MANNER THAT THE NOISE SOURCE EMITS A SOUND PRESSURE LEVEL, WHICH EXCEEDS THE LIMITS SET FORTH BELOW AGRICULTURE WITH 62 DBAS.
WE'RE WAIVING, WE'RE WAVING THE SOUND LEVELS FOR ALL THESE NEIGHBORS AND MYSELF IN ORDER TO GET THIS IN.
I IS THAT FAIR TO ANY ONE OF US? I MEAN, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, WOULD, WOULD YOU WANT SOMEBODY SHOOTING AT YOU WHETHER THERE'S A 34 FOOT BERM OR NOT? WHICH IF YOU STAND UP, YOU, YOU ELIMINATE FOUR FEET.
AND WE'RE ALSO GONNA POUR A CAR INTO THE MIDDLE OF THAT.
UH, UH, UH, SHERIFF KLEIN HAD SAID, WE'RE GONNA PULL A SHERIFF A CAR INTO THAT IN SPRING IN ORDER TO, TO GO AROUND THAT.
THE SIDES ARE, THE SIDES ARE ANGLED, SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE RICOCHETS 500 TO 600 YARDS.
I'M, SIR, I GREW UP IN THIS AREA AND I'D LIKE TO SAY YOU SHOULD LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF.
I LIVE BY IT, AND I WISH Y'ALL DID TOO.
MICHAEL MARKS, MY NAME IS MICHAEL MARKS.
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I RESIDE AT 5 6 1 GIMLET RIDGE ROAD JUST ABOVE THE LANDFILL STATION.I'VE COME HERE AND LEARNED A LOT ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
UM, AND I, I DO BELIEVE HAVING TALKED TO THE SHERIFF AND, AND, AND, UH, OFFICER ROY, THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO, UH, EARNEST WORK TO REDUCE THE PROBABILITY OF AN INCIDENT GOING ON HERE.
THEY'RE TAKING A LOT OF SAFETY MEASURES, BUT THE REALITY IS, WE ALL KNOW YOU CAN'T ELIMINATE THE REALITY OF SAFETY MEASURES.
AND I COULDN'T HELP, AS I LISTENED TO OFFICER ROY'S PRESENTATION THAT HE SAID, WELL, WE CAN'T PUT IT HERE BECAUSE IT'S TOO MUCH OF A RISK TO 3000 PEOPLE.
AND WE CAN'T PUT IT HERE 'CAUSE IT'S TOO MUCH OF A RISK TO 300 PEOPLE.
BUT HERE, 69 PEOPLE, AND I'M ONE OF THOSE 69, AND I CAN'T HELP BUT FEEL LIKE I, I GET LUMPED INTO ACCEPTABLE LOSSES.
WE DON'T WANT TO RISK A LOT OF PEOPLE.
SO WE GET THROWN TO THE WOLVES BECAUSE WE'RE THE SMALLEST GROUP, I THINK, OR AT LEAST I ASK THAT ALL OF YOU.
KEEP IN MIND THAT WHAT'S GOING ON HERE ISN'T, YOU KNOW, ALL THE, ALL THE CANINE STUFF, ALL THE OTHER THINGS, THOSE ARE WONDERFUL.
NOBODY WOULD HAVE A A BIT OF CONCERN ABOUT THAT.
BUT WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE IS PUTTING A GUN RANGE INTO THE MIDDLE OF A SMALL, QUIET COMMUNITY.
AND ANY ONE OF US THAT'S EVER BEEN TO A GUN RANGE KNOWS, NO MATTER HOW MANY SAFETY RULES AND REGS YOU HAVE, YOU LOOK UP, THERE'S HOLES IN THE CEILINGS, THERE'S HOLES BACKED BY THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE RANGE OFFICER STATION.
YOU MULTIPLY THAT BY A BUNCH OF PEOPLE SHOOTING ALL AT ONCE.
THAT MEANS THAT WE ARE GREATLY INCREASING THE POSSIBILITY THAT BULLETS ARE GONNA BE, REGARDLESS OF 60 FOOT BURNS, 70 FOOT BURNS, WHATEVER IT IS, THAT A BAD ACCIDENT IS GONNA THROW ROUNDS OUTWARD INTO AN AREA THAT'S COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY HOMES AND FAMILIES.
AND I HOPE THE WEIGHT OF THAT POTENTIAL, UH, IT WEIGHS HEAVY ON EVERYBODY'S HEART AS WE THINK IT'S 69 PEOPLE, PEOPLE DO MATTER.
WE'RE NOT A STATISTICAL ANOMALY.
WE'RE NOT JUST THE LOWEST GROUP.
I APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERN ON THAT.
UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S NOT HOW THIS WORKS.
ALL RIGHT, JEFF PINGLEY, HOW MUCH IS THIS GOING TO, UH, MISS OUR, UM, PROPERTY OR HOMEOWNER'S? WHAT IT'S WORTH, SIR, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FIRST.
JEFF PINGLEY, 38 GIMLET RIDGE.
HOW MUCH IS THIS GOING TO, UH, HURT THE HOME VALUE IF THEY TRY TO DO THIS? AND, UH, IF YOU LIVED THERE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO HEAR ALL THAT GUN SHOOTING AND THE FIRST THING IN THE MORNING? AND, UM, I CAN, THE DUMP DRIVES ME CRAZY BECAUSE THE FIRST THING I HEAR IN THE MORNING IS BEEP, BEEP, BEEP, BEEP, BOOM.
AND YOU THINK THE GUN'S GONNA BE ANY QUIETER? I'M NOT HAPPY AT ALL ABOUT IT.
AND I CAN'T DO NOTHING ABOUT THE DUMP BECAUSE THE DUMP WAS THERE BEFORE I WAS THERE, AND I'M NOT HAPPY.
I JUST HOPE THAT, UH, IF THIS THING'S RESOLVED AND THEY MOVE ON SOMEWHERE ELSE, AND IF SOMEBODY WANTS IT, THEY ARE TO TAKE IT ON HOME WITH THEM.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, DREW BAGGER.
WE DREW BAGLEY TWO 15 RIVER RIDGE DRIVE.
UM, I LISTED TO THE DEPUTIES SAY THAT IT WOULD BE THE SAFEST RANGE THAT HE'S EVER BEEN TO.
UM, I HAPPEN TO PULL SOME STATISTICS OFF OF NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES OR NEIGHBORING RANGES.
PAGE COUNTY'S 329 ACRES, 640 FEET TO THE CLOSEST PROPERTY LINE FROM DIRECTION OF SHOOTING SHENANDOAH COUNTY, 214 ACRES, 1,030 FEET TO THE CLOSEST PROPERTY LINE OF DIRECTION OF SHOOTING FREDERICK COUNTY.
1,550 FEET FRONT ROYAL, 1,133 FEET.
SO WE'RE OKAY WITH SHOOTING 67 FEET.
THEY CAN SEND A LETTER AND SAY, HEY, SEVEN DAYS IN ADVANCE, DON'T USE YOUR PROPERTY.
I ASSURE YOU, I'LL USE MY PROPERTY.
THAT'S A BLATANT ENCUMBRANCE AND PERSONAL RIGHTS THAT ARE BEING VIOLATED AS AN OWNERSHIP.
I INVITE THE DEPUTIES, I INVITE EVERYBODY HERE.
IF THIS IS BUILT, I INVITE YOU TO STAND AT THE PROPERTY LINE 67 FEET AWAY.
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GONNA BE SHOT.FAMILY MEMBER'S GONNA BE SHOT, AND SOMEBODY'S GONNA BE SUED.
COUNTY'S GONNA PAY FOR IT, WHICH WON'T BE THE FIRST TIME, APPARENTLY, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
UM, MY FAMILY ASSAULT LEGAL COUNSEL, AND WE WILL BE TAKING LEGAL ACTION.
UH, JUSTIN WALDMAN, 2 0 8 GIMLET, UH, RIDGE ROAD.
SO I'M NEW TO THE COMMUNITY, BUT MY WIFE, MY FATHER-IN-LAW, AND MY MOTHER-IN-LAW ARE NOT.
MY IN-LAWS HAVE BEEN HERE FOR 30 YEARS.
MY WIFE GREW UP ON THE PROPERTY WE LIVE AT NOW.
WE JUST MOVED TO BENTONVILLE THIS YEAR FOR ONE SIMPLE REASON TO RAISE OUR NOW 2-YEAR-OLD SON IN THE ENVIRONMENT THAT BENTONVILLE RESIDENTS CHERISH A QUIET ENVIRONMENT, ONE AWAY FROM THE CITY IN THE WOODS, IN THE PEACE AND QUIET AND SURROUNDED BY NATURE.
I HOLD A VIRGINIA MEDICAL LICENSE AS A THERAPIST FOR CHILDREN, EAGER TO HELP THE COMMUNITY.
I JUST SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON A REMODEL FOR MY FAMILY TO HAVE A COMFORTABLE PLACE TO LIVE AND FOR A HOME THERAPY OFFICE.
UM, I'M ALREADY USING THAT OFFICE TO TREAT THE CHILDREN OF THIS COMMUNITY.
THAT HOME OFFICE IS 428 YARDS FROM THE PROPOSED SHOOTING SITE.
THESE CHILDREN SUFFER FROM PTSD, FROM ABUSE.
THEY HAVE TRAUMA, THEY HAVE EMOTIONAL DISTURBANCES.
SOME HAVE WITNESSED FRIGHTFUL ENCOUNTERS BETWEEN THEIR PARENTS AND POLICE, BUT MOST OF THEM HAVE AN AUTISM DIAGNOSIS AND ARE EXTREMELY SENSITIVE TO NOISE.
UM, WITHOUT EMBELLISHING FURTHER, IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THIS WILL AFFECT MY PRACTICE, MY LIVELIHOOD, AND THE EFFECTIVENESS OF, UH, MY TREATMENT.
NOW, LET'S NOT FORGET THE CHILDREN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AN ELECTED OFFICIAL MAY LOOK AT A FIGURE OF 59 HOMES OR WHATEVER IT IS, AND THINK I CAN HANDLE 59 DISGRUNTLED RESIDENTS.
BUT THIS IS MORE THAN JUST 59 HOMES.
AND WITHIN THAT FIGURE, THERE'S NOW OVER 50 CHILDREN LIVING IN THIS CIRCLE THAT YOU GUYS ARE DRAWING.
THESE CHILDREN SPAN FROM AGES TWO TO 14.
SOME ARE NEUROTYPICAL, BUT OTHERS ARE NEURODIVERSE.
THESE KIDS ARE IN THE WOODS, THEY'RE OUTSIDE ALL DAY.
THEY'RE HIKING, THEY'RE FISHING, THEY'RE PICKING BERRIES.
THEY'RE GOING BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN GIMLET RIDGE, SHANGRILA AND BENTONVILLE ROAD VISITING THEIR FRIENDS.
AND THEY'RE LOOSELY AWARE OF PROPERTY LINES AND SIGNS.
THEY DESERVE A CHILDHOOD FREE FROM THE SOUNDS OF CONSISTENT GUNFIRE, FREE OF THE RISK OF STRAY BULLETS, FREE OF THE POTENTIAL RISK OF LEAD AND COPPER CONTAMINATION IN THE WATER, IN THE SOIL, OR IN THE AIR.
UM, AND AS, AND THEIR PARENTS AS BENTONVILLE RESIDENTS DESERVE THE PEACE OF MIND TO NOT BE REMINDED OF THESE THREATS WHEN THOSE GUNSHOTS RING OUT 30 TO 45 CALENDAR DAYS PER YEAR AND THINK WHAT THE KIDS NEED TO PLAY INSIDE TODAY, IT'S KIND OF NOT FAIR.
UM, IN TWO DAYS OF CANVASSING, HAVING ZERO CREDIBILITY IN MY NEW COMMUNITY, I WAS ABLE TO COLLECT COUNTLESS SIGNATURES OF PEOPLE OPPOSING THE PROPOSAL.
NOBODY TOLD ME THAT THEY SUPPORTED.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY HAVE REALLY BEEN TALKED TO BY THE AUTHORITIES ABOUT THIS.
YOU KNOW, A REVOLVER, YOU KNOW, I'M PRO-GUN, I'M PRO-POLICE, BUT A REVOLVER SITS QUIETLY IN A BOX TO DEFEND A FAMILY FROM A HOME INTRUDER, A MUZZLE LOADER.
LETS OUT ONE ECHO THROUGH THE MOUNTAINS TO HARVEST A DEER FOR A FAMILY.
THE PURPOSE OF SERVICE PISTOLS, I'M FINISHING THE PURPOSE OF SERVICE PISTOLS AND AR FIFTEENS ARE TO DELIVER HUMAN DEATH.
LET'S NOT LET OUR CHILDREN GROW UP IN AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE THEY'RE CONSTANTLY REMINDED OF THE SOUND OF HUMAN DEATH.
THIS IS, THIS IS THE, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
IF YOU, IF YOU CAN'T ABIDE BY THE RULES, I KNOW WHERE THE DOOR IS.
I LIVE AT 2 0 8 GILET RIDGE ROAD.
MY WIFE AND I HAVE BEEN THERE ON 20 ACRES FOR 30 YEARS.
WE BOUGHT STEVIE LOCK HARTSFIELD, AND THE BACK OF OUR PROPERTY IS PROBABLY JUST A FEW HUNDRED, TWO OR 300 FEET TO THE ROAD THAT GOES INTO SHANGRILA.
IF YOU GO STRAIGHT THROUGH, YOU'RE GONNA END UP RIGHT AT THIS SITE THAT IS BEING PROPOSED.
WE CAN HEAR THE TRUCKS AT THE LANDFILL.
WE HEAR THE CONTAINERS BANGING, SO I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT IT'S GONNA BE LIKE WITH THE GUN THING.
I REALIZE THIS IS A TOUGH SITUATION.
I DON'T SEE ANYBODY WINNING ANY OF THESE PLACES OTHER THAN THE SHERIFFS, BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE IMPACTED BY IT NO MATTER WHERE
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IT ENDS UP.THE TICKET IS TO FIGURE OUT THE LEAST AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT'LL BE IMPACTED AND THE BEST WAY TO DESIGN THIS THING.
SO IT BRINGS THAT IMPACT DOWN TO THE LEAST AMOUNT.
THAT'S, THAT'S HOW I FEEL ABOUT THAT.
I DON'T THINK ANY OF YOU IN HERE, AS HE SAID BEFORE, WOULD WANT TO, IF THIS WAS, IF YOU LOOKED WHERE WE DID AND YOU WEREN'T ON THE NUMBERS, I CAN'T IMAGINE YOU WOULD BE FEELING GOOD ABOUT THIS EITHER.
AND I FEEL BAD FOR MRS. COLORS BECAUSE I REMEMBER YEARS AGO WHEN SHE CAME TO RUTH AND MA'S HOUSE KIND ENOUGH TO COME AND INTRODUCE HERSELF TO GET ELECTED FOR THAT AREA.
AND ONE OF HER MAIN THINGS WAS, I WANT TO KEEP THIS AREA PRISTINE.
AND I'M SURE SHE'S IN A TOUGH SPOT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE SHE'S BEING PUSHED TO CHANGE IT.
AND SHE LIVES DOWN THERE ON A FARM AT LOW WATER BRIDGE.
SHE'S NOT GONNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT, YOU KNOW, SHE'S FAR ENOUGH AWAY.
UM, LET'S SEE, WHAT ELSE WILL THIS SAY? ANYWAY, WE'VE TALKED, I'VE HELPED THROUGH THE CANVASSING IN THE LAST FEW DAYS, AND WE'VE TALKED TO TONS OF PEOPLE OUT THERE.
I THINK EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM IS VERY, VERY CLOSE WITHIN RANGE OF THAT PLACE DOES NOT WANT IT.
GIMLET RIDGE, SHANGRI LA PEOPLE ON SIX 13.
AND THE LAST THING I WANT TO SAY IS I URGE YOU TO USE YOUR HEARTS AND MANIFEST SOME SYMPATHY FOR ALL THESE FAMILIES, ANIMALS, AND PEACE OF OUR HOME LIVES.
THIS IS WHERE WE REST AND RECHARGE FROM DAILY CHALLENGES OF LIFE.
LET'S WORK TOGETHER FOR THE GOOD OF ALL AND FIND THE BEST LOCATION FOR EVERYONE.
I LIVE AT 9 38 SHANGRILA ROAD.
I WOULD ASK YOU TO TABLE THE, THE PROPOSAL TONIGHT FROM THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, AS I BELIEVE THERE ARE IMPORTANT VOIDS IN THE INFORMATION NEEDED FOR THIS DECISION REGARDING SITE QUALITY.
IF THE PROPOSED TRAINING RANGE SHOULD WIND UP IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, I, AND ANY COUNTY RESIDENT WILL, WILL WANT TO KNOW THAT MY COUNTY OFFICIALS, UH, FIRST ENSURED THAT THERE WAS NO BETTER PLACE FOR IT, FOR THE SHERIFFS, FOR THEIR PURPOSES, FOR THE COUNTY'S ADMINISTRATION, AND FOR THE PROTECTION OF THE COMMUNITY.
AS SUCH, I HAVE SUGGESTED THAT THE COUNTY USE ITS GIS CAPABILITIES TO HIGHLIGHT, UM, THE MOST IDEAL SITES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, INCLUDING ON AFFORDABLY LEASEABLE PRIVATE LANDS.
A MORE IDEAL SITE WOULD, FOR EXAMPLE, PROVIDE MORE NATURAL SOUND, BUFFERS, WOODLANDS, AND HOLLOWS, FOR EXAMPLE, OR BE MATCHED BY EXISTING BACKGROUND NOISE SUCH AS HIGHWAYS OR INDUSTRY.
WOULD, UH, NOT CONTINUOUSLY FACE SOUTH WIND SHOOTING SHORTEN RESPONSE TIMES IN CASE OF A PUBLIC EMERGENCY.
AVOID POSSIBLE ISSUES WITH METHANE GAS, ENSURE THAT YEAR AFTER YEAR COST TO THE COUNTY THROUGH REDUCED REAL ESTATE TAXES ARE KEPT TO A MINIMUM.
IT WOULD ENSURE THAT THE NUMBER OF AFFECTED RESIDENTS HAS BEEN MINIMIZED, AND IT WOULD ENSURE THE BEST USE OF COUNTY OWNED LANDS.
THE SHANGRI LA SITE COULD PROVIDE A NEW HIKING ACCESS POINT TO THE PARK OR HAVE OTHER RECREATIONAL VALUE.
THE VIEWS THERE ARE BEAUTIFUL.
UM, I REGULARLY WALK THE WOODS ON MY PROPERTY, WHICH ABUTS THE BAGLEYS, UM, AND I BUSH WHACK AND THE NATIONAL PARK BEHIND THIS SITE.
IT IS EXTREMELY ROCKY TERRAIN WITH VERY THIN SOILS AND VISIBLE BEDROCK EXPOSURE.
CURRENT PLANS INCLUDE THE 34, UH, FOOT HALL, UH, EXCAVATION ON THE LOWER SHOULDER OF A MOUNTAIN GPR DATA.
RADAR DATA ARE NEEDED TO DETERMINE HOW MUCH ROCK AND BEDROCK EXISTS ON THE SITE AND WHAT EXCAVATION METHODS ARE NEEDED.
ADJACENCY TO METHANE SOURCES COULD BE RESTRICTIVE.
WE DO NOT YET KNOW HOW MUCH DIRT OR HOW MUCH ROCK IS THERE.
IN ADDITION, UH, THE PROPOSED RESTRICTIONS NEED SOME FURTHER WORK.
UH, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT'S REQUEST, UH, IS REQUESTING A MAXIMUM OF 20 TO 25 LIVE FIRE DATES FOR UP TO 15 PERSONNEL PER SESSION.
THIS INCLUDES THEIR GROWTH ESTIMATES.
THE RESTRICTIONS AS WRITTEN PROPOSED 30 DATES AND DOUBLE THE PERSONNEL THAT OUR SHERIFF IS REQUESTING OF US.
ALTHOUGH THE SHERIFF'S, UH, DEPARTMENT CITES ONLY WEEKDAY USAGE, THE PROPOSED RESTRICTIONS ALLOW FOR SATURDAYS AS WRITTEN.
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ON THE NUMBER OF TIMES THE BOARD CAN APPROVE SPECIAL REQUESTS BEYOND THAT 30 DAY LIMIT.THIS IS JUST TOO MUCH EXPOSURE TO ENSURE THAT PERMISSIONS STAY ALIGNED WITH EVOLVING NEEDS OF PROPOSED LOWERING THE CAPS AND REQUIRING A FORMAL CHANGE OF CONDITIONAL USE PROCESSES IF THERE SHOULD COME TO BE A NEED IN THE COUNTY.
THANK YOU MUCH, JAY OR JOANNE.
AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY HERE AT THE HEARING.
MY NAME IS JAY B, UH, 6 55 JENNINGS LANE.
UH, MY WIFE AND I HAVE ALREADY GONE ON RECORD WITH, WITH, UH, ALL OF YOU ALL, UH, IN AN EMAIL THAT I SENT ABOUT A WEEK AND A HALF, TWO WEEKS AGO WHEN I BECAME INVOLVED IN THIS EFFORT.
UM, I, UH, DON'T WANT TO BE REDUNDANT AS, AS THE RULES APPLY.
UH, I JUST WANT TO BE, UH, TO CONFIRM SOME, SOME ISSUES FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE FACT THAT I'M A NEWER RESIDENT.
UH, I'M WORKING ON MY NINTH YEAR HERE.
UH, THIS WAS THE, FINDING A PLACE ON THE SIDE OF ROUND MOUNTAIN WAS LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF HEAVEN FOR ME FOR MY RETIREMENT YEARS.
UM, AND FOR MY FAMILY TO POSSIBLY GROW INTO HERE, UH, IN, IN BENTONVILLE AND WARREN COUNTY.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF FOCUS ON ONE MILE FROM THE FACILITY THAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
I'M A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN TWO AND A HALF, MAYBE THREE MILES.
UH, THE DUMPSTERS OF ON MY BACK DECK ON A REGULAR BASIS VERY LOUDLY BECAUSE IT'S CLEAR AIR THERE.
UH, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR.
UM, I JUST WOULD HOPE THAT THE, THE COMMITTEE WOULD GIVE MORE CONSIDERATION TO POSSIBLY DOING AND, AND MAKING AN EFFORT TO COME TOGETHER WITH THE CITY, UH, AND PERHAPS SOME OF THE OTHER COUNTIES.
AND PUTTING A FACILITY TOGETHER THAT'S, THAT'S PERHAPS AN INDOOR FACILITY, THAT A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS CAN BE CONTAINED INDOORS AND STILL GET SCHEDULING DONE THAT NEEDS TO BE, BE SCHEDULED.
UH, I JUST WANT TO GO ON RECORD ON BEHALF OF MY WIFE AND MYSELF AND THE OTHERS IN MY COMMUNITY AND THE OTHERS IN THE IMMEDIATE COMMUNITY RIGHT IN OUR BACKYARD, UH, THAT WE, UH, WOULD, WOULD LIKE YOU TO, UH, TABLE IT FOR NOW, STUDY IT, UH, AND THEN, UH, TRY TO FIND ANOTHER LOCATION FOR IT.
HOW Y'ALL DOING? MY NAME'S STEVE
I LIVE AT 2384 BENTONVILLE ROAD.
I HAVE BEEN THERE SINCE THE LANDFILL OPENED UP BACK IN 1975.
ONE OF THE OLDEST RESIDENTS PROBABLY STILL AROUND IN THAT AREA.
WE'VE LISTENED TO IT FOR A LONG TIME.
WE'VE PASSED THE DUMPSTERS ON THE ROADS, WHICH BIG TRUCKS RUNNING BACK AND FORTH.
WE GOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON THE ROAD.
LEMME ALSO SAY THAT I A HUNDRED PERCENT SPONSOR THE, UH, SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT FOR WHAT THEY NEED.
I JUST THINK THERE'S MAYBE A BETTER PLACE TO FIND IT.
I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE AS MANY RESIDENTS IN OUR AREA AS SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS Y'ALL HAVE LOOKED INTO, BUT I THINK THERE'S OTHER AREAS THAT WE CAN LOOK INTO.
I DON'T, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE PROPERTY THAT THE COUNTY OWNS OUT THERE BESIDE THE FRONT ROW COUNTRY CLUB DOWN ON THE RIVER.
I MEAN, IT'S OUT OF TOWN, IT'S CLOSE TO TOWN.
IT'S NOT LONG DISTANCE DRIVING.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE POSSIBLY LOOKED AT TO SEE IF THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF IT GOING DOWN THERE BEFORE MAKING A DECISION TO BRING IT UP THERE WHERE WE'RE AT.
I KNOW THAT, LIKE I SAID, I'VE BEEN THERE FOR 65 YEARS AND I'VE HEARD IT ALL MY LIFE AND REALLY, I DON'T REALLY WANT TO HEAR ANYMORE
IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, I'VE HEARD ENOUGH FOR A LONG TIME.
AND LIKE I SAID, STILL, I, I RESPECT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND I, YOU KNOW, I JUST HOPE WE CAN FIND 'EM A GOOD AREA FOR 'EM TO GO AND I'LL SUPPORT 'EM AS MUCH AS I CAN.
BUT I WOULD REALLY LIKE FOR YOU TO LOCATE ANOTHER AREA AND TRY TO FIND SOMEWHERE ELSE TO HAVE THIS.
HEY, FRANK GRIME, GIMLET RIDGE.
UH, JUST ECHO EVERYTHING WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT.
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SIR, COULD WE HAVE YOUR ADDRESS PLEASE? ADDRESS? YES.UM, ANYWAY, I HAVE A BUNCH OF STUFF HERE ABOUT LOOKED INTO THESE FIRING RANGES AND THE TOXIC TOXICITY AND THE LEAD AND ALL THAT STUFF.
I'VE HEARD A LOT OF TALK AROUND THAT, BUT NOT A WHOLE LOT ABOUT ONGOING MONITORING, BUT I GUESS WE'LL GET TO THAT AS THEY GET DEEPER INTO IT.
SO, BOTTOM LINE FOR ME IS IT JUST FEELS LIKE, HEY, WE ALREADY DEAL WITH, AS YOU HAVE HEARD, THE TRANSFER STATION, ALL THE NOISE, ALL THE TRUCKS, ALL THE TRASH, AND NOW YOU'RE GONNA ASK US TO DEAL WITH THIS FIREARMS RANGE.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE THE SOUTHERN MOST PART OF THE COUNTY.
HOW ABOUT GIVE SOME LOVE TO THE FOLKS SOMEWHERE NORTHWEST EAST, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
DAVID LONG 3 0 1 GIMLET RIDGE ROAD.
UM, I'M, AGAIN, PER THE RULES, I'M NOT GONNA REPEAT THE POINTS THAT MY NEIGHBORS MADE.
UM, IT'S PRETTY DARN GOOD ONES, BUT I'LL JUST GIVE 'EM A LITTLE PERSPECTIVE.
UH, I'M BRAND NEW, UH, DE BENTONVILLE, THREE YEARS MY FAMILY MOVED THERE.
UH, THOSE, UH, 40 OF THOSE CHILDREN, OR EXCUSE ME, FIVE OF THOSE 40 CHILDREN ARE MINE.
I LIVE ON TOP OF A RIDGE WITH MY FIVE KIDS, MY GERMAN SHEPHERD, MY CAT, MY 14 CHICKENS, AND MY, UH, BEAUTIFUL WIFE.
AND, UM, I JUST WANNA SAY I SPENT 10 YEARS MARINE CORPS INFANTRY.
UM, I SPENT A LOT OF THAT TIME OVERSEAS.
UM, A LOT OF THAT TIME TRAINING GO OVERSEAS.
I SEE ONE OF MY PEERS IN HERE, UM, ALSO DID AS WELL.
UH, AND ALL MY TIME TRAINING, UH, NEVER SAW A RANGE THAT WAS ADJACENT TO, UH, PUBLIC, I SHOULD SAY PUBLIC HOUSING, BASE HOUSING OR CIVILIAN HOUSING.
AND I THINK THERE'S A REASON FOR THAT.
ONE, IT'S A NATURAL DISTURBANCE.
BUT SECONDLY, THERE IS A PSYCHOLOGICAL EFFECT WHEN YOU'RE TRAINING FOR WAR OR TRAINING FOR THAT MATTER, TO, TO TAKE A LIFE.
AND IT'S ONE THAT WE JUST DON'T NEED TO HEAR.
UM, I THINK THAT'S THE FIRST THING.
THE SECOND THING THAT THE PRESENTATION WAS FANTASTIC, BUT I FEEL THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A STRAW MAN.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HERE DISAGREES THAT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT NEEDS A GOOD SOLID RANGE.
OKAY? AND I'M NOT COMING WITH OPTIONS, BUT I WOULD SAY I'D BE HAPPY TO ASSIST IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, UH, PRO BONO, I, I OWN A SECURITY AND RISK MANAGEMENT FIRM.
WE OPERATE UP AND DOWN THE, THE EAST COAST.
UH, BUT WE ARE BASED OUT OF, OUT OF WARREN COUNTY.
ANYTHING I CAN DO TO HELP, JUST NOT, IT'S NOT MY BACKYARD.
SO APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S TIME.
NOT TO REPEAT EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID, I HAD SIX PAGES TO GO THROUGH.
I THOUGHT I HAD UNLIMITED TIME.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT USED WAS THE $15,000 COST THAT WAS, UH, USED IN 2024 OR 2022 WHEN IT WAS FIRST COME ABOUT BY SHERIFF BUTLER.
NOW, THREE YEARS LATER, THE SAME COST OF $15,000 FOR THE OVERTIME.
YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY JUST APPROVED A, A BUDGET FOR COUNTY APPROVED BUDGET WAS $91 MILLION.
SO ARE WE HERE BECAUSE OF THE $15,000 THAT'S GONNA BE EXPENDED TO GET THAT TRAINING? I MEAN, THE TRAINING HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED, UH, YEARS BACK, UH, WITHOUT, WITHOUT INCIDENT.
SO THE ONE THING THAT I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT IS WHY A NEWLY ELECTED SHERIFF FOR WARREN COUNTY BEING IN OFFICE LESS THAN THREE MONTHS, WITH THE RESPONSIBILITY TO 74 LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS TO ENSURE THE WELFARE AND SAFETY OF THE 40,000 RESIDENTS AND THE THOUSANDS OF VISITORS WHO COME INTO WARREN COUNTY EACH YEAR.
SHE'S RESPONSIBLE FOR A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR BUDGET.
SHE'S ALWAYS ALSO RESPONSIBLE FOR THE RSW REGIONAL JAIL, UH, WHICH HOUSES NUMEROUS CONVICTED CRIMINALS, WHICH HAS, UH, SEVERAL INCIDENTS OF, UH, ACTIVITIES AGAINST INMATES BY THE PERSONNEL THAT WORK IN THAT SITE.
AND IT'S ALSO HAS LIKE THE HIGHEST, UH, INMATE DEATH OF, UH, SURROUNDING COUNTIES.
SO ALL OF THAT IN THE FIRST THREE MONTHS THAT SHE COMES IN, BUT THERE'S TIME TO PUT TOGETHER AN EXTENDED PRESENTATION.
IT REMINDS ME OF SWAT MOVIES, YOU KNOW, THE JUMPING OUTTA THE CAR, ROLLING AROUND, FIRING UNDER THE CAR.
IS IT NECESSARY? I DON'T KNOW.
I JUST KNOW THAT I DO NOT WANT IT CLOSE TO WHERE I LIVE.
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YOU VERY MUCH.I LIVE AT 7 4 3 JENNINGS LANE.
I HAVE A LETTER THAT I HAVE WRITTEN THAT SHOULD BE IN YOUR DOCUMENTS.
UM, EVERYBODY'S TALKING ABOUT THIS RED CIRCLE WHERE WE ALL LIVE.
WELL, MOST OF MY LIEN IS ON THIS AND MY PROPERTY IS ABOUT A HUNDRED YARDS OUTSIDE OF THIS.
UM, I CAN SEE THIS PROPOSED RANGE FROM MY HOUSE.
I CAN HEAR THE RECYCLING CENTER ALL DAY, EVERY DAY.
THERE IS, THERE ARE TREES AND HILLS AND EVERYTHING THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BUFFER ME FROM THAT NOISE.
I CAN'T SEE THE TRUCKS BEEPING, BUT I CAN HEAR THEM.
I AM A RETIRED RESEARCH AUDIOLOGIST FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF AIR FORCE.
AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S INFORMATION HERE ABOUT THE DECIMAL LEVELS.
I CAN DEFINITELY ADD MORE TO IT IF NEEDED.
ONE IS THAT THE ESTABLISHED NEED FOR THIS, UM, IT SHOULD NOT BE ON THE BURDEN OF THE COMMUNITY TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM FOR THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT TO FIGURE OUT OTHER PLACES WHERE THEY CAN BE.
I RESENT THAT WE'RE HAVING TO COME UP WITH OTHER IDEAS SO YOU DON'T PUT IT.
SO IT BOTHERS US ALL THE TIME.
UM, I DON'T BELIEVE THE AMOUNT OF USE THAT THIS FACILITY IS GONNA HAVE IS ACCURATE.
I THINK IT'S GONNA GET USED MORE.
I THINK THEY'RE GONNA FIND OUT IT COSTS MORE TO MAINTAIN IT, AND THEY'RE GONNA RENT IT OUT TO OTHER COUNTIES.
THERE'S IT, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST NOT GONNA STAY AT THAT LEVEL.
THAT LEVEL THAT THEY'RE SAYING IT'S GONNA BE IS ALSO UNACCEPTABLE.
BUT COME ON, THERE'S NOBODY HERE THAT THINKS IT'S ONLY GONNA BE THAT.
UM, THERE IS A CONDITION IN ONE OF THE FORMS, IN ONE OF THE AGENDA FORMS THAT ALSO SAYS THAT THIS FACILITY MUST BE HARMONIOUS WITH THE COMMUNITY.
I CANNOT IMAGINE THAT A GUN RANGE WOULD BE HARMONIOUS WITH ANY COMMUNITY.
UM, I AM, I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN MY LANE ALONE WILL RECON CONTEST OUR REASSESSED VALUE OF OUR HOMES AND WITH THE PROPOSED GUN RANGE AND TRY TO GET OUR TAXES LOWERED, WHICH MEANS THE COUNTY WILL ACTUALLY COLLECT LESS TAX MONEY FROM MY LANE, FROM MY ROAD ALONE, WHICH WOULD MAKE UP FROM WHATEVER SAVINGS AND POSSIBLY INCONVENIENCE TO DRIVE 45 MINUTES TO A DIFFERENT RANGE, RIGHT? INCONVENIENCE TO DRIVE A LITTLE BIT WHILE YOU'RE ON THE CLOCK IS NOT AS INCONVENIENT AS HEARING GUNFIRE.
IT'S JUST NOT LIKE WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO SOLVE THIS FOR THEM.
I HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH THEM MAINTAINING SAFETY REQUIREMENTS.
THEY'RE FIGURING IT OUT EVERY YEAR GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE.
IT JUST DOESN'T NEED TO BE HERE.
I LIVE AT, UH, 7 43 JENS LANE IN, UH, BENTONVILLE.
I'M A RETIRED, UH, NAVY FIGHTER PILOT.
UH, AND I ALSO HAD THE, UH, OPPORTUNITY, UH, AS PART OF MY CAREER TO WORK WITH, UH, SPECIAL OPS AS A SPECIAL OPERATIONS PLANNER.
AND NOW THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS THAT BOTHERED ME HERE.
ONE IS THE SPECIAL OPERATIONS TRAINING, BECAUSE WHEN WE DID THE PLANNING, IT WAS ALWAYS INFILL AND THEN ON THE OBJECTIVE AND THEN XFI.
AND SO MY CONCERN IS, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S COVERT OR OVERT FIVE CARS, YOU KNOW, LIGHTS BLARING, UH, GOING DOWN THE ROAD IS A CONCERN FOR ME.
ALSO, MY AMBUSH RESPONSE AND THE DIRECTION OF FIRE, UH, FIRING FROM VEHICLES INTO THAT RANGE MAKES IT MORE LIKELY THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A, UH, YOU KNOW, A OVER THE BERM SHOT OR TWO.
AND I THINK THAT RANGE GOES DIRECTLY TOWARD THE ROAD.
UH, YOU KNOW, MIGHT BE, I DON'T KNOW, THE DISTANCE, BUT IT'S, IT'S DIRECTION OF IT'S TOWARD THE ROAD.
UH, ONE OTHER THING, THERE'S A, UH, THERE'S A NOTE OR A CAVEAT IN HERE ABOUT THE, UH, UH, COUNTY AGENTS NOT HAVING TO ENFORCE THEIR OWN RULES, WHICH I WAS, UH, CURIOUS ABOUT.
'CAUSE WE'VE GOT THESE 12 ITEMS OF THINGS THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO NOT HAVE, LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE OPERATED ON SUNDAYS.
UM, UH, IT'S ONLY SUPPOSED TO BE DAYLIGHT AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IF THEY CAN JUST BASICALLY NOT ENFORCE THAT, THAT'S A CONCERN AS WELL.
UM, AND THEN THE LAST THING IS IT WILL
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BE A MAGNET FOR OTHER, UM, IT'LL BE A MAGNET FOR OTHER AGENCIES IF IT IS BUILT AS PLANNED.'CAUSE IT'LL BE REALLY, REALLY NICE RANGE.
SO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
THANK YOU RON ELL, I HAVE A COUPLE PAGES, BUT AFTER LISTENING EVERY ONE SIR, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR OUR RECORD.
YES, RON CARCEL, C-A-R-S-E-L-L 2 87 TREE FARM LANE, THANK YOU.
RIGHT ACROSS THE ROAD FROM THE PROPOSED FIRING RANGE.
AND, UH, I'VE BEEN THERE SINCE 88.
I PUT LISTED MY HOUSE FOR SALE AT THE END OF MAY.
THE HOUSE PASSED ALL ITS TESTS AND INSPECTION AND CLOSING IS SCHEDULED LESS THAN TWO WEEKS FROM NOW.
IT WAS ABOUT A WEEK AGO THAT I WAS INFORMED THE COUNTY WANTED TO PUT A FIRING RANGE ON THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM MINE.
THE RANGE WOULD BE USED FOR FIRING M SIXTEENS AND TRAINING DOGS.
I HAVE A HARD TIME TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING WORSE THAN THAT FOR A SELLER OR A BUYER OF PROPERTY IN THAT AREA.
AND THEN, WELL, IN THE LAST WEEK, I'VE MET MORE NEIGHBORS THAN I HAVE IN THE 36 YEARS I'VE BEEN THERE.
AND FOR A GOOD REASON THAT THE PROPOSAL SHOULD NOT GO GO FORWARD.
IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE THAT WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE WOULD SUGGEST A PLACE OF A FIRING RANGE IN THE COMMUNITY OF OVER 50 FAMILIES.
AND AS I BECAME MORE FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPOSAL, I FOUND OUT THIS I HAD BEEN SUGGESTED TWO YEARS AGO, BUT WAS DEFEATED AND IT SHOULD BE DEFEATED AGAIN.
I LATER ALSO FOUND OUT THE FRONT ROYAL POLICE DEPARTMENT ALREADY HAS A FIRING RANGE AND WITH THE AID OF THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT COULD BE UPGRADED IF NECESSARY AND USED FOR BOTH DEPARTMENTS.
LAST WEEK I SPOKE WITH CHAIRPERSON CHERYL COLORS AND SUGGESTED AN ENCLOSED FIRING RANGE WOULD SOLVE THIS PROBLEM.
BY ELIMINATING THE NOISE FACTOR CHAIRPERSON COLORS SAID THAT THE WARREN COUNTY GOVERNMENT WAS NOT FINANCIALLY ABLE TO FUND AN ENCLOSED FIRING RANGE.
IF THE WARREN COUNTY GOVERNMENT CANNOT FIND A HUNDRED THOUSAND OUT OF A $97 MILLION BUDGET TO PROVIDE AN ENCLOSED FIRING RANGE, THEN THE WARREN COUNTY GOVERNMENT DOES NOT GIVE THIS PROJECT THE IMPORTANCE THEY SAY IT WARRANTS.
INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, THE COUNTY COULD FIND $240,000 TO BUY A BUFFER ZONE NEXT TO THE PROPOSED RANGE.
ADDITIONALLY, UH, I HAVEN'T SENT A, UH, AN EMAIL TO ALL OF THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO SUGGEST THAT A TRI-COUNTY ARRANGEMENT COULD BE INVESTIGATED FOR THE PURPOSE OF BUILDING AN ENCLOSED FIRING RANGE ON THE GROUNDS OF THE NEW TRI-COUNTY PRISON.
ON ROUTE THREE 40, ALL THREE COUNTIES COULD COME UP WITH A BUDGET FOR A BUILDING, AN EXCEPTIONAL FACILITY.
AGAIN, IF THE, IF THE GOVERNMENT THOUGHT THIS MATTER WAS IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO PROVIDE TRAINING FOR THE MEN AND WOMEN OF THE SHERIFF'S COUNTY AND PROTECT THE TRANQUILITY OF THE PROPOSED SITE, THE DEVELOPMENT OF AN UN ENCLOSED FACILITY PROTECT THE TRANQUILITY OF THE PROPOSED SITE AND ENCLOSED FACILITY COULD BE FUNDED.
I'M SURPRISED THAT YOUR TIME WENT SO QUICKLY.
I THOUGHT I WOULD HAVE PLENTY OF TIME, BUT THANK YOU.
ROBBIE LLOYD? YES, THAT'S FINE.
RON JENNINGS, I APOLOGIZE FOR CLAPPING MR. MYERS.
NOT A PROBLEM, SIR, BUT IF YOU MADE THAT SPEECH OUTTA CLAP FOR YOU,
YOU DO NEED YOUR NAME? YES, SIR.
I RESIDE AT 27 20 BENTONVILLE ROAD.
UH, I'M A CARETAKER FOR MY MOTHER.
UM, I JUST WANT TO READ YOU SOMETHING HERE.
HOW FAR WILL A RICOCHET GO? IT IS CAPABLE OF GOING
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5,206 YARDS OR 2.95 MILES.THAT'S JUST A RICOCHET OF A BULLET WE HEARD.
UM, OFFICER ROY ALSO SPEAK ABOUT, UM, THE FACILITY BEING USED AS QUALIFYING AND THEN A MOMENTS LATER HE USED IT AS TRAINING AND THEN MOMENTS LATER HE USED IT AGAIN AS QUALIFYING.
SO I'M KIND OF CONFUSED IN MY COUNTRY BOY MENTALITY OF NOT BEING VERY SMART TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TRAINING AND QUALIFYING.
HE ALSO REFERRED TO, WELL, WATER WELLS BEING CHECKED REGULARLY FOR CONTAMINATION.
BUT OF ALL OF YOU PEOPLE SITTING HERE TODAY, PROBABLY EVEN THE ONES BEHIND ME, KNOW THAT WATER TRAVELS DOWNHILL.
HOW MANY REALIZE THAT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT? WELL WATER.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RUNOFF WATER.
RUNOFF WATER IS A WHOLE LOT DIFFERENT THAN WELL WATER.
WELL WATER COMES FROM GROUND LEVEL WATER FROM WATER THAT IT COMES FROM HIND MOUNTAINS OR HIND AREAS THAT SEEP INTO THE GROUND AND IS MADE PURE FOR US TO DRINK.
EVEN THOUGH THE WELL WATER AT THE PUBLIC FACILITY IS CONTAMINATED, UH, THAT COMES FROM THE COUNTY LANDFILL, BUT THE RUNOFF WATER GOES TO TWO STREAMS FROM THAT SITE.
THE ONE STREAM GOES PAST STEVIE LOCKER'S PROPERTY, WHICH IS THE ROAD THAT GOES UP INTO SHANGRILA OR THE LANDFILL, AND IT'S BETWEEN STEVIE LOCKER'S.
PROBABLY THAT'S A MAINSTREAM THAT FLOWS YEAR ROUND THAT WILL CARRY RUNOFF WATER, WHICH WILL END UP, WHERE DOES ANYBODY KNOW? THERE ARE SIGNS ALL AROUND THE COUNTY AND THE STATE AND THE VIRGINIA CHESAPEAKE BAY WATERSHED, AND WE'VE DESPERATELY TRIED TO RESTORE THE EAGLE POPULATION BACK IN THE AREA.
ALSO, THERE'S ANOTHER RUNOFF WATER COMING FROM THE OPPOSITE SIDE.
OPPOSITE SIDE ON THE WE NORTHWEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, OR I WOULD SAY THE WEST SIDE, WHICH FLOWS THROUGH SHERRY LOCKERS PROPERTY.
AND THAT IS A SPRING, WHICH THAT WATER WILL ALSO MAKE ITS WAY TO CHESAPEAKE BAY.
I LIVE AT 80 ROUND MOUNTAIN LANE BENTONVILLE, A COUPLE HOUSES DOWN FROM MR. LOCKHART.
I'VE LIVED THERE FOR OVER 33 YEARS.
I LIVE LESS THAN A MILE FROM THE TRANSFER STATION, AND SO I DO HEAR THE NOISE ALL DAY LONG.
UH, WE DON'T WANNA HEAR GUNFIRE NOISE AND THE LANDFILL NOISE.
UH, I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH ALL MY NEIGHBORS OF WHAT THEY'VE SAID IN OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSED FIREARMS TRAINING FACILITY.
I SUPPORT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, BUT I FEEL THAT OTHER SITES NEED TO BE RESEARCHED FOR THIS PROPOSED FACILITY.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO DIDN'T SIGN UP THAT WISHES TO SPEAK OR NOW? MY NAME IS RICHARD COYLE AND I LIVE ON, UH, JENNINGS LANE AT ROUND MOUNTAIN.
JUST OPPOSITE THE LANDFILL THERE.
JUST, JUST ONE POINT ON THE SOUND, WHICH I THINK IS THE BIG, UH, UH, PROBLEM HERE.
IT MAKES NO SENSE TO DRAW A CIRCLE AROUND THAT SITE KNOWING THAT THERE'S A 1500 DO.
UM, FOOT RIDGE MATTHEW'S ARM AND GIMLET RIDGE KIND OF EMBRACE THIS SITE.
THE SOUND NOT ONLY SATURATES THAT, UM, UH, IMMEDIATE AREA, BUT IT'S PROJECTED NORTH WELL BEYOND THAT MILE MARKER.
THE SOUND OF THE, OF THE, OF THE, OF THE, UH, LANDFILL WHERE I LIVE, WHICH IS BEYOND THAT MILE, THOSE SOUNDS ARE AS IF THEY'RE IN THE, MY FRONT YARD.
AND IT SEEMS, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF PILING ON BECAUSE ALL THAT'S BEEN SAID ABOUT THE SOUND, UH, FROM THE LANDFILL, WHICH IS SO DISTURBING.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN AROUND TO LISTEN TO THAT.
AND WE'RE THERE FOR THE PEACE AND QUIET AND THE SOLITUDE OF THE PLACE.
AND TO ADD ANOTHER LAYER OF SOUND POLLUTION JUST SEEMS TOTALLY UNREASONABLE, UH, FOR
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US.IN, IN ADDITION, I DOUBT SERIOUSLY THE NUMBER OF HOMES THAT YOU HAVE, UH, DEFINED AS BEING THE AFFECTED NUMBER 54.
I THINK SOMEBODY SAID 62 OR 62.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT THAT, AND YOU'RE NEXT TO THE PARK.
I MEAN, THERE'S NO POPULATION BEHIND THE SITE.
AND THAT SOUND IS PROJECTED WELL BEYOND THAT, THAT MILE MARKER.
KRISTEN UC, 2 0 4 GRAND AVENUE.
AND I LIVE IN THE FORK DISTRICT.
UM, AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN, I DO LIVE IN THE FORK DISTRICT.
HOWEVER, MY PARENTS LIVE IN THE SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT, 1.8 MILES AWAY FROM THE PROPOSED GUN RANGE, UM, TRAINING FACILITY.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, MY FOUR CHILDREN AND TWO NEPHEWS SPEND A GREAT DEAL OF TIME OUT AT MY PARENTS' HOUSE, AS DO I, AS DO MY HUSBAND.
UM, BEEN IN THE AREA 38 YEARS, SO VERY FAMILIAR.
AND I CAN SAY THAT ALL HOURS OF THE DAY IN THAT AREA, WE HEAR GUNSHOTS.
IT'S A COMMON OCCURRENCE, MAKESHIFT RANGES, PEOPLE HUNTING, ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
THE SOUND THAT THE RANGE WOULD MAKE IS GOING TO BE VERY MINIMAL TO WHAT WE HEAR EVERY DAY OUT THERE.
I WOULD FEEL CONFIDENT WITH MY CHILDREN WALKING AROUND THERE WITH WHAT'S ALREADY IN PLACE.
I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A LOT OF FALSE NARRATIVES THAT ARE BEING PUSHED TO THE RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA, THAT THE RANGE WOULD GENERATE AN UN INTOLERABLE NOISE LEVEL.
THE NOISE IS ALREADY THERE, THE LANDFILL'S ALREADY THERE, THERE'S HUNTING CONSTANTLY IN THAT AREA.
THERE IS MAKESHIFT GUN RANGES ALREADY IN THAT AREA.
THIS IS NOT GOING TO ADD THAT MUCH TO THAT.
ADDITIONALLY, WE HEAR THAT THE CURRENT USAGE IS GONNA BE UNDERREPRESENTED.
IT'S NOT BECAUSE THE AMOUNT THAT WE HAVE TO TRAIN TECHNICALLY IS ONE QUALIFICATION A YEAR, JUST ONE.
SO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE QUALIFICATION AND THE TRAINING IS THAT WE QUALIFY ANNUALLY ON OUR WEAPON, WHICH IS A 50 ROUND COURSE.
UM, I AM THE CURRENT SERGEANT OF SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS WITH THE WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, AND I CAN ATTEST TO THE ADDED BENEFIT THAT THIS TRAINING RANGE WOULD ACCOMPLISH AS PART OF OUR CERTIFICATION.
WE ARE REQUIRED TO QUALIFY ANNUALLY WITH OUR WEAPONS.
CURRENTLY, WE DO NOT HAVE OUR OWN TRAINING RANGE, AND IT CREATES CHALLENGES IN GETTING OUR S OS CERTIFIED AS OUR MAIN DUTY IS TO BE ASSIGNED IN THE SCHOOLS DURING THE ENTIRETY OF THE DAY.
IT IS DIFFICULT TO ARRANGE WITH OTHER AGENCIES IN ADVANCE WHEN SCHOOL IS OUT TO USE THEIR FACILITIES BECAUSE OF THEIR STRINGENT BOOKING TIMELINES.
HARPER'S FERRY, WE HAVE A 30 DAY WINDOW WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM.
THAT'S NOT, DOESN'T GIVE US MUCH NOTICE WHEN WE GET A SCHOOL CALENDAR AND WE SAY, THESE ARE THE DAYS THAT SCHOOLS ARE OUT, THAT I NEED TO TRAIN MY OFFICERS.
IF WE HAD OUR OWN TRAINING RANGE, THAT WOULD ALLEVIATE THAT.
ADDITIONALLY, WE, WE HAVE BEEN TRAVELING TO HARPERS FERRY AND IT DOES TAKE AWAY FROM THE SCHOOLS, SO THANK YOU.
ANYONE ELSE? CAN I SPEAK TO MY TWO AND A HALF YEAR OLD
AND YOU DO THAT? LESLIE MATTHEWS, MATTHEWS LANE, BENTONVILLE, VIRGINIA.
I STAND HERE TONIGHT AND ASKING ALL OF YOU GUYS TO PLEASE, PLEASE HEAR THE PEOPLE AND UNDERSTAND WHY.
I MEAN, THEY'VE GIVEN YOU ALL KINDS OF REASONS OF WHY THEY DO NOT WANT IT UP THERE.
I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYONE MENTION ABOUT BEHIND THE REGIONAL JAIL.
UM, I KNOW THAT WE WERE SCAMMED WITH THE EDA SCANDAL THING ABOUT THIS $5 MILLION INDOOR SHOOTING RANGE THAT WAS GONNA BE OUT THERE BY NEAR WHERE I WORK.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT MONEY WENT, BUT ANYWAY, WE CAN CONSIDER BEHIND THE REGIONAL JAIL.
UM, THE OTHER THING IS, UM, IF THERE IS A VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT, UM, WHETHER TO TABLE IT OR WHETHER TO
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MOVE FORWARD WITH IT, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK, UM, HUGH HENRY, UM, BECAUSE HE IS A MEMBER OF THE WARREN COUNTY BUILDERS ASSOCIATION, YOU'RE ALSO A LOCAL CONTRACTOR AND YOUR VERY CLOSE FRIENDS WITH THE SHERIFF AND HER FAMILY AS YOU GUYS VACATION AND EVERYTHING TOGETHER, THAT YOU BE AN HONORABLE REPRESENTATIVE AND RECUSE YOURSELF.SO IT IS A FAIR THING FOR THE, THE CITIZENS OF MORIN COUNTY.
AND IF I MAY STATE, JUST TO TELL YOU, IF WE DO VOTE TONIGHT, THIS IS OUR RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
EVERYONE KNOWS, BUT STILL IT'S AN HONORABLE THING TO REPRESENT YOUR CITIZENS.
ANYONE ELSE? OR AGAINST GEORGE CLIENT? 86 MINUTES LANE.
UM, I'M NOT HERE TO SPEAK AGAINST OR FOR, UM, HONESTLY, I JUST SIT BACK THERE AND I LISTEN TO SOME OF THE DUMB COMMENTS AND THOSE ARE WHAT I'M ADDRESSING.
IF YOU, IF YOU FEEL THE NEED TO LIVE ACROSS FROM THE DUMP AND CONCERNED ABOUT YOUR WATER, YOU'VE ACCEPTED THAT RESPONSIBILITY.
UM, I HAVE A QUESTION IF SOMEBODY COULD TELL ME OR FIND OUT HOW MUCH LEG COULD ALREADY BE BURIED IN THE DUMP.
UM, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS IS ABSOLUTELY, IF I HAD THE PROPERTY, I'D BE MORE, MORE THAN GLAD TO DONATE IT TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
ONE OF THE OTHER QUESTION IS THAT THE SHERIFF'S DEPART, THE SHERIFF AND THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR EACH ONE OF YOUR ALL'S SAFETY.
IF YOU NEED TO KNOW THE QUESTION ABOUT WATER RUNOFF WAS GOOD POINT.
SO THAT MEANS ANY COWS UP ABOVE THE, UM, FIELDS THAT TAKE A CRAP IN THE FIELD AND THE WATER RUNS ACROSS THEM, I ASSUME THAT THAT RUNS TO THE SAME CREEK WITH CONTAMINATION ALSO.
AND FOR THE ONES THAT CONTINUE TO STATE THAT IT'LL BRING OTHER COUNTIES AROUND TO USE THE THE FACILITY, THEN YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T KNOW WHAT A CUP IS.
ANYONE ELSE? I DO HAVE A COMMENT.
IF YOU'VE ALREADY SPOKEN, YOU'RE NO, I JUST HAVE A COMMENT ON YOUR RULES.
UH, NOT, THIS IS NOT THE TIME, THE PLEASE TAKE IT UP, BUT, BUT THERE WAS NO RESPECT TO OTHERS OPINION.
UM, IS THAT NOT THE FIRST RULE? WHEN, WHEN SOMEBODY SAYS WE HAD DONE COMMENTS, I HAVEN'T SPOKEN THEM RIGHT FROM TERRY WINES 34 SCHOOLHOUSE LANE, FRONT ROYAL VIRGINIA.
AND FOR THE HUSBAND OF THE SHERIFF TO COME UP HERE AND DISRESPECT PEOPLE'S OPINIONS AND CALL THEM DUMB, IS VERY DISRESPECTFUL.
TURNS TO VIEWS, ALLOW DISAGREEMENT, AND HE TURNED AROUND AND GAVE DIRTY LOOKS TO US AND DISRESPECTED US.
SO IS ANYONE ELSE LAST CALL THAT OUR PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
UH, WE ARE STILL WAITING FOR SOME AGENCY COMMENTS.
UH, WE DON'T HAVE THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT COMMENTS FOR THIS.
AND, UH, BASED ON OUR COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, IT APPEARS WE'LL NEED SOME ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FROM DEQ ONCE HE'S WORKED OUT THE PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS SITE TO BE ADDED TO THE TRANSFER STATION.
I DO NOT HAVE A TIMELINE ON WHEN THAT MIGHT HAPPEN.
UM, BUT, UM, WE WOULD REQUIRE AT THAT TIME, ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FROM DEQ, UM, ADDRESSING THIS PARTICULAR PART OF THE, WOULD BE ACTUALLY A PART OF THE TRANSFER STATION AREA.
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I KNOW, I PERSONALLY, I HEAR ALL THE COMMENTS BEFORE I MOVE FORWARD.AND ALSO SUGGESTIONS FROM AT LEAST THREE OF OUR SPEAKERS TONIGHT ABOUT POSSIBLY TABLING THIS THING.
I CAN'T MAKE THE MOTION, BUT I'M THROW IT OUT TO YOU GUYS FOR DISCUSSION.
I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO TABLE IT, BUT I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVE LOCATIONS AND, AND REALLY LET'S EXPLORE.
AND I AM ALSO FOR, YOU KNOW, OUR SAFETY, OUR CHILDREN'S SAFETY.
I HAVE TWO CHILDREN THAT GO TO HIGH SCHOOL, UM, HERE IN WARREN COUNTY.
AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR OFFICERS HAVE ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING THAT THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN, UM, AS WELL AS ALL OF OUR CITIZENS.
UM, HONESTLY, OUR, OUR SHERIFFS, I MEAN, THEY DESERVE AN INDOOR SHOOTING RANGE.
THEY DO DESERVE THE TOP OF THE LINE.
UM, I DON'T WANNA SETTLE, UH, FOR THEM, FOR US, FOR OUR CHILDREN.
I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT OPTIONS.
AND FOR ME, I'M GONNA TABLE, I I'M NOT OPPOSED TO TABLING.
UM, JUST BASED ON GENERAL CONSENSUS.
UH, I GUESS I'LL ADDRESS MS. MATTHEW'S COMMENT FIRST.
I'M FRIENDS WITH EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM.
I'VE SPENT AS MUCH TIME IN STEVIE LOCKER'S GARAGE AS I HAVE GEORGE KLINE.
SO I DON'T PICK SIDES BASED ON FRIENDS.
I DO WHAT'S BEST IN MY HEART FOR MY COMMUNITY.
THE, UH, THE OTHER THINGS THAT I'M HEARING IS I HEAR ONE GUY SAY, PUT IT IN A PLACE WHERE THERE'S PLENTY OF BACKGROUND NOISE.
THEY'RE PUTTING IT BESIDE A LANDFILL.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S THE BEST PLACE, BUT IT'S DAMN SURE NOT THE WORST LOW POPULATION LANDFILL.
THE GROUNDWATER'S ALREADY CONTAMINATED.
I'M SORRY FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE BESIDE THE LANDFILL.
THEY'VE BEEN PUTTING UP WITH THAT NOISE LONGER THAN I'VE BEEN ALIVE.
I WILL GIVE YOU ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE ON IT.
WHEN THE MEDEVAC MOVED TO THE HO MOVED OUT THERE FROM ITS OTHER LOCATION, MR. FOX COME TO ME.
I WASN'T ON A PLANNING COMMISSION YET.
AND HE SAID, THAT THING IS GONNA PUT THE AIRPORT AT A NET POSITIVE.
IT'LL QUICK COST IN THE COUNTY MONEY.
THE PEOPLE THAT RUN IT KNOW BETTER THAN I DO OR ARCHIE DOES.
HE SAID IT WOULD PUT THEM IN A SAFER LOCATION SO THEY COULD BETTER SERVE THE COMMUNITY.
WHEN THAT THING GOES OVER MY HOUSE, I LIVE A HALF A MILE FROM IT.
I'VE HAD PUT PICTURES BACK ON A WALL.
GODSPEED, SOMEBODY NEEDS THAT.
OUR SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAD PREVIOUS INCIDENTS WHERE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN HURT AND DIED.
I WON'T GET INTO SPECIFICS, BUT AFTER TALKING TO SOME OF THEM, THEY SAID SOME OF THAT COULD HAVE BEEN ALLEVIATED IF THEY'D BEEN TRAINED PROPERLY.
THE CURRENT TRAINING THAT THEY'RE GETTING IS BARE MINIMAL.
THEY'RE QUALIFYING THAT ARRANGEMENT UNDER 50 ROUNDS.
I'VE NEVER, I HAVE ZERO QUALIFICATION AS A POLICE OFFICER AND I CAN SHOOT GOOD ENOUGH TO QUALIFY, I GUARANTEE.
SO THEY'RE NOT GETTING TRAINING.
THEY ARE GOING TO HARPERS FERRY IF SOMETHING DOES GO WRONG.
SO FAR AT THIS PRESENTATION, THE LANDFILL SITE HAS BEEN THE BEST OPTION.
ANOTHER GUY SAID, IT'S NOT OUR PROBLEM TO HELP RESOLVE OUR COMMUNITY'S PROBLEM.
IT'S WHY YOU'RE HERE AT A PUBLIC HEARING.
I DO, I DO LIKE TO HEAR COMPLAINTS, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THEIR PROBLEMS. ALL ME PERSONALLY, WHEN I FIND A PROBLEM, ALSO LOOK FOR RESOLVE.
I THINK, OH, IS TO HELP RESOLVE PROBLEMS, NOT CREATE THEM.
OH, METHANE GAS, I'M SURE IT EXISTS UP THERE.
I CAN'T BELIEVE IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, I HAD A CALL SAID TO POTENTIALLY COULD SET THE LANDFILL ON FIRE.
OH, I FOUND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THEY COULD RUN A TRACTOR AND BUSH HOG OVER THAT.
IF IT'S THAT FLAMMABLE, I DOUBT A GUNSHOT INTO THAT BANK OFFSITE.
IT'S GONNA EXPLODE THE LANDFILL.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT'S ANY LEGITIMACY IN IT ALL.
THEY'VE MADE GOOD, GOOD REFERENCE HERE TO RECLAIM AND LEAD.
OH, IF I OWNED A PIECE OF AG PROPERTY BESIDE THIS, I CAN SHOOT ALL I WANT TO.
AND IF I SHOOT ON A SUNDAY, I USUALLY WAIT TILL AFTER CHURCH AND DO SOME CONSIDERATE THINGS.
THAT MEDEVAC I WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER.
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IT COULD BE SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, 24 HOURS A DAY.THEY'RE GUARANTEEING LESS THAN 30 DAYS A YEAR FROM EIGHT TO EIGHT.
YOU KNOW, SO I I, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO TABLING THIS AND I'M, AND ABSOLUTELY I'LL LISTEN TO ANY OPTION, BUT JUST TO SAY NO, BECAUSE THE METHANE GAS IN THE LANDFILL ARE NO, BECAUSE OF GROUNDWATER CONTAMINATION THAT'S ALREADY CONTAMINATED.
THE NOISE IS THE BIGGEST COMPLAINT THAT YOU GUYS GOT.
AND IT'S A FAIR ONE THAT THAT'S A LEGITIMATE COMPLAINT.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF IT BEING DOWN IN THE GROUND WITH TREES AROUND IT WILL BUFFER IT OR NOT ENOUGH TO MAKE IT ACCEPTABLE.
I DON'T THINK IT'LL BE ANY WORSE THAN THE NOISE THAT THE LANDFILL GENERATES.
AND JUST LIKE THAT HELICOPTER SHAKING ME, ME HAVING TO GET UP NEXT MORNING AND FIX PICTURES.
I DON'T THINK 25 OR 30 DAYS A YEAR IS UNACCEPTABLE FOR HEALTH AND SAFETY.
BUT I AM OPEN TO LISTENING TO OPTIONS.
IF SOMEBODY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ANYTHING ELSE OR MAKE A MOTION, I'LL BE GLAD TO SUPPORT IT.
I THINK I'LL ADD TO YOUR COMMENTS IS MY HOUSE.
I'M IN THE FLYWAY TO THE HOSPITAL AND I HEAR THE HELICOPTERS TOO.
SECONDLY, ON THIS THING OF, I MEAN, I REALLY, REALLY HOPE THAT THE, OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS DON'T GET PUT INTO A SITUATION WHERE THEY HAVE TO USE DEADLY FORCE.
BUT IF THEY ARE, I WANT 'EM TO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
I LIVE RIGHT BEHIND A 600 ACRE, UH, HUNT CLUB.
THEY HUNT FROM ABOUT FOUR O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, SOMETIMES UNTIL 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.
THEY'VE ACTUALLY HAD AN M TWO BACK THERE.
AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT A CAR.
I'M TALKING ABOUT A, A 50 CALIBER MACHINE GUN.
NOW, THEY WEREN'T FIRING IT AUTO, BUT IT STILL, IT'S A PRETTY LOUD WEAPON.
I CAN'T HEAR IT FROM INSIDE MY HOUSE.
I HAVE TO BE OUTSIDE THE HOUSE WITH THE DOG.
THE FACT THAT THIS IS BURIED INTO THE GROUND, I'VE ONLY FIRED ON ONE RIFLE RANGE THAT WAY.
AND I GOT 17 YEARS OF SPECIAL OPERATIONS IN US ARMY 10TH GROUP.
I RAN A TEAM AND I FIRED MORE WEAPONS AND MORE ROUNDS TO THINK OF.
AND THE ONLY ONE I HAD WAS UNDERGROUND OR NOT, WAS SHOOTING DOWN INTO THE GROUND.
YOU COULDN'T HEAR IT ABOUT A HALF.
HALF A FOOTBALL FIELD AWAY, 50 YARDS.
SO THERE IS WAYS TO BUILD A, A RIFLE RANGE, PISTOL RANGE THAT IT'S GONNA BE A LOT QUIETER IN THE NINE MILLIMETERS, A LOT QUIETER THAN A 45.
UH, AS FAR AS THE, THE RICOCHETS, THERE IS SOMETHING THAT IT CAN BE USED THAT ALSO WILL HELP WITH THE SOUND.
AND THAT IS A, UH, A RICOCHET OVERLAY THAT YOU PUT.
IT'S KIND OF LIKE A PERLO THAT YOU WOULD PUT OVER A PATIO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THE TWO BY TENS ARE SLANTED LIKE THIS.
UH, THAT HELPS WITH THE SOUND, BUT IT ALSO WILL CAPTURE ANY RICOCHET THAT COMES OUT OF THERE.
MAN, IT'S, YOU KNOW, 34 FOOT BERMS. THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD BERM.
ANY BERM THAT I'VE HAD, ESPECIALLY AT FORT BENNING, GEORGIA, UH, WHERE THEY PUT THROUGH 150,000 SOLDIERS A YEAR, THE, UH, INFANTRY SOLDIERS, THOSE BERMS ARE ONLY 16 TO SEVEN FEET TALL.
AND THAT'S, YEAH, IT'S, AND WE, WE HAVE RUSHING, UH, TARGETS ON THAT, ON THE QUALIFICATION RANGE WHERE IT'S NOT A STATIONARY TARGET.
IT MOVES ABOUT SIX FEET AND IT'S DOWN WITHIN THREE SECONDS.
AND THESE GUYS ARE HAVING TO QUALIFY, 50% HIT TO BE A JUST A SHARP SHOOTER.
SO IF, YOU KNOW, I, I SUPPORT DELAYING IT, LOOKING AT SOME OTHER OPTIONS, OR NOT OPTIONS, BUT WAYS TO MAKE IT QUIETER.
BUT ALSO DOES THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, UH, HAVE A, UM, UH, I KNEW THE NAME EARLIER.
COULD YOU ACTUALLY, UH, TAKE, UH, ONE TIME WHEN YOUR GUYS ARE FIRING YOUR, YOUR WEAPON? SO WE, WE DID GO OUT ONCE ALREADY, UH, AND WE, UH, WENT TO THE NEAREST PROPERTY LINE BACKLINES, AND WE RECORDED SECOND ONE DECIBELS WITHOUT EVEN HAVING A
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DUGOUT RING.BUT LIKE, UH, 15, 20 FEET FROM YOUR WEAPON, BECAUSE WHAT THEY'RE SUGGESTING HERE IS 152 DECIBELS.
NOW MAYBE OUT AT THE MUZZLE, UH, YOU GET THAT, UM, IT HALVES, UH, TO EITHER SIDE.
AND THEN THE LEAST AMOUNT OF SOUND CORRECT TO THE REAR IS TYPICALLY WITH, UH, WITH, WITH FIREARMS. BUT YOU'RE USING M FOUR WITH A FLASH SUPPRESSOR, CORRECT? UH, NO, OUR WEAPONS DON'T HAVE OH YES.
FLASH SUPPRESSOR IS THE ONE, THE RIGHT, CORRECT.
NOT NOISE SUPPRESSOR, BUT FLASH SUPPRESSORS.
'CAUSE THAT KIND OF HELPS BREAK DOWN SOME OF THE NOISE TOO.
I I JUST THINK IT WOULD MAKE THE COMMUNITY FEEL A LITTLE BIT BETTER, WHETHER IT BE THIS SITE OR ANOTHER SITE, YOU KNOW, AT 20 FEET.
WHAT, WHAT KIND OF SOUND ARE YOU GETTING OUT OF THE NINE AND WHAT ARE YOU GETTING OUT OF THE M FOUR? BUT I, I ALSO LIKE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE, UH, THE DEFLECTION THING FOR, UH, THE RICOCHET.
THEN TO YOUR COMMENT ON LIKE THE 72 DECIBELS, THAT, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT THAT I'M DOING RIGHT NOW IN THE CONVERSATION.
SPEAKING OF WHICH, ANYONE PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION? ARE ANY OTHER FURTHER COMMENTS? WELL, HOLD ON.
YEAH, I'D HAVE TO PULL IT UP TOO.
I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION TABLES THIS APPLICATION UNTIL FURTHER INFORMATION IS PROVIDED ABOUT THE USE OF THE TOWN'S POLICE DEPARTMENT TRAINING FACILITY.
SHOULDN'T IT SAY SHERIFF? YEAH.
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT TRAINING FACILITY AND OTHER OUTSIDE AGENCY COMMENTS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED.
OPPOSED? THIS HAS BEEN TABLED AND WE'LL BRING IT BACK UP AT LATER.
AND WITH THIS AT THE HOUR, I PROPOSE ABOUT A FIVE MINUTE BREAK.
SEE, THEY HAD A DEFINITION FOR RURAL RESORT
[VIII.A. Z2024-05-02 - Rural Resort Center - Jennifer Wynn - A request to amend Chapter 180 of the Warren County Code to amend §180-8C to add a definition for Rural Resort Center and to amend the existing definition for Lodging Unit, to amend §180-21D to add Rural Resort Center as a use allowed by conditional use permit in the Agricultural zoning district, and to enact §180-55.4 to add supplementary regulations for Rural Resort Center. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator]
CENTER AND TO AMEND THE EXISTING DEFINITION FOR LODGING UNIT TO AMEND SUBSECTION 180 DASH 20 1D TO ADD RURAL RESORT CENTER AS A USE ALLOWED BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT AND ENACT SUBSECTION 180 DASH 55.4 TO ADD SUPPLEMENTARY SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS TO THE RURAL FOR RURAL RESORT CENTER.ON WEDNESDAY, JUNE 12TH, 2024, THE PLANNING COMMISSION PASSED A MOTION TO TABLE THIS ITEM FOR FURTHER AMENDMENTS.
DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD CONCERNS RELATED TO THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE REQUIREMENT AND THE POSSIBILITY OF RESTAURANT ACCOMMODATIONS WITHIN A RURAL RESORT CENTER.
THERE WAS DISCUSSION OF ADDING A RESTRICTION ON PERMANENT RESTAURANT FACILITIES FOR RURAL RESORT CENTERS ON PARCELS LESS THAN 30 ACRES IN SIZE.
IN RESPONSE PLANNING, STAFF IS DRAFTED A NEW PROPOSED SUBSECTION C FOR RESTAURANT ACCOMMODATIONS.
THE PROPOSED SUBSECTION C ADDS A 30 ACRE MINIMUM LOT SIZE REQUIREMENT FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A PERMANENT RESTAURANT FACILITY ACCESSORY TO THE RURAL RESORT CENTER.
AND THAT DOES INCLUDE THE ABILITY OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO ALSO LIMIT OR PROHIBIT PERMANENT RESTAURANT FACILITIES WITHIN RURAL RESORT CENTERS ON PARCELS GREATER THAN 30 ACRES.
SO THEY COULD ADD A CONDITION RESTRICTING IT IF UH, THEY DEEMED THAT APPROPRIATE.
THERE'S ALSO A REQUIREMENT FOR OFF STREET PARKING, WHICH WILL BE IN ADDITION TO WHAT IS REQUIRED UNDER THE PROPOSED SUBSECTION.
A FIVE OF THE DRAFT SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS FOR RURAL RESORT CENTER AND THE MAX MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY SET BY CUP CONDITIONS OR BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT SHALL INCLUDE THE TOTAL PERMISSIBLE OCCUPANCY OF ALL LODGING, RECREATIONAL, AND RESTAURANT ACTIVITIES.
PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THIS ITEM WAS HELD ON JUNE 12TH, 2024.
AN ADDITIONAL PUBLIC HEARING PRIOR TO FORWARDING THIS DRAFT ORDINANCE TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION IS NOT REQUIRED.
UH, IT DOES LOOK LIKE THE APPLICANT'S TOUGHED IT OUT AND, AND, UH, IS STILL HERE
UM, ANYONE COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, QUESTION WELL FOR THEM? STAFF.
STAFF OR THE APPLICANT? NO, FOR THE APPLICANT FOR STAFF POWER.
WAIT ON PAGE 1 61 ON OUR, OUR PACKET OR PAGE THREE ON THIS CASE, CAN YOU DO PARAGRAPH FIVE? CAN YOU INTERPRET THAT FOR ME? ONE PARKING SPACE PER 100 SQUARE FEET
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OF INDOOR AND OUTDOOR? YES.SO IT'S REQUIRING ONSITE PARKING, UM, IN THE AMOUNT OF ONE SPACE PER 100 SQUARE FEET OF RECREATIONAL AREA, INCLUSIVE OF BOTH INDOOR AND OUTDOOR RECREATION AREAS, PLUS ONE SPACE PER STAFF MEMBER.
AND THIS WAS MODIFIED FROM THE LAST MEETING OR IT WAS IN THAT, UH, SHEET I HAD GIVEN YOU SEPARATELY.
'CAUSE WE HAD RECEIVED COMMENTS FROM MR. GORDON, UH, ABOUT SOME ADDITIONAL PARKING REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THERE.
WELL, YOU KNOW, ONE CAR IS MORE THAN A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET.
I'M SORRY, I'M JUST, THAT'S THAT DENSITY.
AND THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF PARKING THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED.
SO I, I HAVE A GYM SET OUTSIDE FOR THE KIDS AND I HAVE A, UH, YOU KNOW, 5,000 SQUARE FOOT INDOOR POOL.
SO I WOULD HAVE TO HAVE ENOUGH PARKING SPACES FOR ONE, FOR ONE SPACE PER A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET.
SO IF I HAVE BASICALLY AN ACRE OF OPEN AREA YEAH.
TREAT AREA, I WOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE 420 PARKING SPACES.
UM, SO I COULD TELL YOU THE SQUARE FEET AN ACRE 40, 42, 43 5 60.
SO I WAS OFF BY A HUNDRED CARS,
THAT'S, THAT'S HOW IT JUST, WHICH PAGE IS IT? ON PAGE, UH, 1 61 AND UNDER OUR DOCUMENT AND I GOT, IS IT PART OF THE ORDINANCE? 'CAUSE I'M IN YES.
HAD GO CONSTRUCTED FIVE ONSITE PARKING.
RECREATION BECAUSE THEN YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL PARKING FOR THE LODGING TWO PER UNIT, WHICH IS FINE, BUT THE, IS THE RESTAURANT ONE PARKING SPACE FOR A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET OF DEDICATED INDOOR OUTDOOR AREA TO BE A DEDICATED INDOOR OUTDOOR AREA? UH, YEAH.
WHAT'S INDOOR WOULD HAVE TO BE ON THE ROOF.
BUT WHAT'S AN OUTDOOR YEAH, IF THE OUTDOOR AREA'S ALL THE COMMON GROUND, THEN YEAH, IT'D BE A HUGE AMOUNT OF PARKING PLACE.
BUT IF IT'S JUST SIDEWALK AND PAVILION OR SITTING AREA, IT WOULD ONLY BE A FRACTION OF THE LAND.
BUT YOU KNOW, WITH THE WAY THIS, SOMEONE COULD INTERPRET THAT, THAT YOU WOULD NEED 430 PARKING SPACES FOR, UH, ONE ACRE.
ONE ACRE DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE 400.
THE HOSPITAL DOESN'T HAVE ANY PARKING PLACE.
SO IF I, SO IF I GOT 30 ACRES, I'M NOW DOING, I HAVE 30 ACRES.
PARKING
WELL, I WOULD ARGUE IF YOU WERE DOING 30 ACRES OF JUST RECREATION THEN IT WOULD NOT BE A RURAL RESORT CENTER.
IT WOULD BE A COMMERCIAL OUTDOOR RECREATION OPERATION OR A PARK.
WELL, THAT SIZE PARKING LOT IS GONNA BE THE COLISEUM.
VERY DEDICATED TO INDOOR OUTDOOR RECREATION.
I'M THINKING WHEN YOU DO OUTDOOR RECREATION, I DON'T THINK THEY MEAN EVERY INCH OF GRASS.
I THINK THEY MEAN LIKE IF IT'S A POOL OR A PAVILION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I GUESS IT'S OPEN TO INTERPRETATION.
'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S AN OUTDOOR RIGHT? YEAH.
IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE, UH, WHAT'S THE, UH, PLACE JUST DOWN THE ROAD HERE? THE FRONT ROYAL, IT'S KIND LIKE RANCH RESORT OR YEAH, THE RANCH RESORT.
YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU GOT THAT BIG POOL AND DEDICATED AREA, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE DOING AN OUTDOOR YEAH.
WHERE YEAH, THE WOODS ARE CLEARED OUT TO WHERE YOU CAN WALK THROUGH 'EM WITHOUT WORRYING ABOUT TICKS AND TRIGGERS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
AND YOU GET BENCHES EVERY NOW AND THEN.
I COULD SEE WHERE SOMEONE WOULD, YOU KNOW, HAVE SOMETHING AT LEAST FIVE ACRES CLEARED.
WHERE, WHERE WAS THIS LANGUAGE COME FROM? DID YOU JUST WRITE IT OR DID YOU A COPY OF IT FROM SOME OTHER ORDINANCE OR? SO I TOOK COMMENTS FROM WILL AND I WAS TRYING TO FIND WHAT I KIND OF MODELED IT AFTER IN OUR PARKING ORDINANCE.
I THINK WE NEED TO, WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT CHASE, MAY I MAKE TWO COMMENTS? MM-HMM.
THE FIRST IS THAT IT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR US TO HAVE
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SECTIONS IN A ZONING ORDINANCE THAT WE NEED TO INTERPRET.AND UM, THIS WOULD DEFINITELY BE ONE OF THOSE, UH, I THINK IF, IF WE WERE TO INTERPRET IT THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN, WE WOULD LOOK AT A, AT AN OUTDOOR SPACE AND ANALYZE, WELL WHAT IS IT REALLY BEING USED FOR? AND IF IT'S JUST PASSIVE, YOU KNOW, GRASS OR TREES MM-HMM.
UH, I THINK THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN WAS INTENDED MORE TO BE ACTIVE RECREATION, LIKE A, LIKE A POOL OR A PATIO OR SOMETHING WHERE THERE'S REALLY GONNA BE SOME, UH, ACTIVITY OR ENERGY THAT, THAT IS INVOLVED IN THE RECREATING OF IT.
UM, THE SECOND IS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHY WE BRING IT BEFORE YOU AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE GET IT RIGHT.
AND SO IF IF YOU ARE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, THEN WE CAN CHANGE IT EITHER NOW OR WE CAN TABLE IT AND BRING IT BACK WITH, UM, KIND OF FLESH THAT IDEA OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
SO FOR INSTANCE, SOMEONE WANTS TO CREATE, UH, THEY GOT 800 ACRES AND THEY WANNA DO A HUNT CLUB AND PUT IN HOUSING AND STUFF AT ONE END OF THE, SO NOW THEY GOT 800 ACRES AND A HUNT CLUB.
THAT MEANS PRETTY MUCH THEY'RE GONNA GIVE YOU A LANE THAT YOU CAN SHOOT DOWN, BUT THEY, YOU'RE GONNA BE BASICALLY USING THAT 800 ACRES.
WE, WE WOULD NOT WANT 800 ACRES TO COUNT TOWARDS THIS PARKING REQUIREMENT.
THAT WOULD RESULT IN ABSURD AMOUNT OF PARKING.
BUT THEY'RE GONNA BE UTIL UTILIZING THE WHOLE THING FOR AS RECREATION, YOU KNOW, HUNT CLUB.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M LOOKING AT THIS GOING, YOU KNOW, HOW, WHERE ARE THE LEFT AND RIGHT LIMITS OF THIS? MM-HMM.
WOULD IT BE MORE DEFINED WHEN AN INDIVIDUAL COMES UP FOR THEIR CUP AND THAT'S WHERE WE FIGURE OUT THE RIGHT PARKING LOT SIZE FOR THE RIGHT.
COULD WE DO IT WHERE IT'S LIKE DETERMINED BASED OFF THE PLAN THAT THEY SUBMIT OR SOMETHING THAT'S ACTUALLY BASED YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S, WE, I DON'T WANNA PUT IT IN A BOX WHEN IT COULD BE RIGHT.
A CIRCLE, YOU KNOW, JUST TO SAY WE DON'T WANT THE, WE DON'T WANT THE APPLICANT TO LOOK AT THAT AND GO, HOLY COW, I GOT TO HAVE WHAT? RIGHT.
WE, WE DO HAVE A, A MINIMUM FOR THE LODGING UNITS IN OUR, IN OUR, UH, PARKING ORDINANCE, WHICH IS THE TWO WHICH CHASE HAS INCLUDED.
UM, WE HAVE AT THE BOTTOM OF OUR PARKING ORDINANCE IS OTHER USES AS DETERMINED BY ZONING ADMINISTRATORS.
SO THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR TECHNICALLY COULD MAKE THE CALL.
MAYBE WHAT WE DO IS WE PUT IT AS IT RELATES TO THE SITE PLAN.
THIS PARTICULAR USE, WE'LL NEED A SITE PLAN AND SO A MINIMUM OF TWO PER LODGING UNIT PLUS ADDITIONAL PARKING AS RELATING TO THE SITE PLAN.
YOU WANT TO SAY ACTIVE RECREATIONAL AREAS OR HOW YOU WOULD WANT TO DO THAT OR AT THE DETERMINATION OF THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
BECAUSE I'M SURE SHE, I MEAN, I, I'M STILL TRYING, I I GUESS AS I'M SITTING HERE AND, AND THINKING ABOUT IT, UM, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE WOULD INTERPRET IT BASED ON THE RESULT THAT WE WOULD RUN.
SO OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANT EIGHT A HUNT CLUB TO HAVE PARKING FOR 800 ACRES, SO
UM, BUT WE WOULD WANT, IF THERE WAS A FACILITY WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF FACILITIES HAVE KIND OF OUTDOOR PATIO AREA OR SOMETHING.
PROBABLY WOULD WANT TO, THAT THAT WOULDN'T, MIGHT NOT BE UNDER A ROOF, BUT WE WOULD WANT TO INCLUDE THAT AREA, UH, IN THE COMPUTATION AS FAR AS IT RELATES TO THE PARKING.
UM, I, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF SOMEBODY'S COMING TO YOU WITH A SITE PLAN, THAT SITE PLAN ISN'T GONNA SHOW THE WHOLE 800 ACRES.
IT'S, IT'S JUST GONNA SHOW THE BUILDING AND MAYBE SOME OF THE SURROUNDING GROUNDS.
UM, STAFF WOULD HAVE SOME CONTROL OVER WHAT WE REQUIRE TO BE SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN.
UM, I I THINK WE PROBABLY WANNA MAKE AN, A TWEAK TO THE TEXT HERE.
SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT MATT IS DESCRIBING.
UM, BUT I I EITHER TO SAY, YOU KNOW, ACTIVE RECREATIONAL, YOU KNOW, AREA AS REQUIRED TO BE SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SOMEBODY WRITE THAT DOWN QUICK SO I CAN REMEMBER WHAT HE SAID.
SO THE, THE ORDINANCE, UH, OR THE, THE, THE SECTION THAT WE'RE IDENTIFYING IS ONSITE PARKING SHALL BE PROVIDED TO ABOUT EQUAL TO ONE SPACES PER A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET DEDICATED TO INDOOR OUTDOOR RECREATION PLAZA.
ADDITIONALLY ON ONSITE PARKING SHALL BE PROVIDED IN, IN AN AMOUNT OF EQUAL TO TWO SPACES PER LODGING UNIT.
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FOR THE RESORT SHALL BE IN LOCATIONS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.MAYBE WE JUST, AND AGAIN, I'M JUST A SUGGESTION IS WE, UM, WE FIRST IDENTIFY THE LODGING REQUIREMENTS AND THEN MM-HMM.
THE PARKING AREAS FOR THE RESORT SHELBY AND LOCATIONS, UH, THAT ARE IDENTIFIED AS ACTIVE RECREATIONAL AREAS AND APPROVED BY THE, UH, PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND, AND ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
THAT'S AS RE AS IT RELATES TO THE SITE PLAN.
I THINK SOMETHING LIKE ACTIVE ACTIVE REVENUE.
WOULD THAT WORK FOR YOU, SIR? I TRIED TO KEEP UP ON THAT, BUT I'VE HAD A LONG DAY.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME? AMEN.
I BASICALLY, BASICALLY WE'RE JUST IDENTIFYING THE, THE LODGING UNITS FIRST.
WE'RE TAKING OUT THE, THE SECOND SENTENCE THAT BEGINS ADDITIONALLY.
AND THEN WE JUST, WHAT, AND IT WOULD, WELL IT WOULD BEGIN WITH ONSITE PARKING SHALL BE PROVIDED RIGHT.
IN AMOUNT EQUAL TO 2.0 SPACES PER LODGING UNIT.
AND THEN IDENTIFY THE PARKING AREAS IN THE RESORT SHALL BE IN, UH, LOCATIONS FOR ACTIVE RECREATIONAL AREAS AND APPROVED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AS IT RELATES TO THE SITE PLAN.
SO NOW PUTTING IN THE ONE PARKING PER HUNDRED, WELL, THAT WE'RE BASIC RIGHT? GETTING AWAY FROM THAT.
YOU READ MY, UM, QUESTION, WHICH IS, ARE YOU GUYS COMFORTABLE GETTING AWAY FROM THAT? AND BASICALLY, UH, THERE, THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF TENSION AT THE LAST MEETING BETWEEN LEAVING IT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS AT A, YOU KNOW, DETERMINATION ON THE CUP, WHICH IS FRANKLY HOW I WOULD PREFER TO DO IT, BUT I UNDERSTAND I'M NOT A POLICY MAKER.
UH, AND THEN THERE WAS SOME DESIRE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF MORE REGULATED.
WE WANT THE ORDINANCE TO SPELL IT OUT.
WE DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH IT CASE BY CASE.
AND, UM, SO I GUESS WE WOULD SEEK SOME, I I'M FINE WITH WHAT YOU PROPOSED.
IT'S KIND OF A HYBRID ACTUALLY, BUT YEAH.
ARE YOU GUYS COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? YEAH, I, I, I THINK SO.
IS THE APPLICANT COMFORTABLE WITH THE, BASICALLY WE'RE SAYING THAT THIS WILL COME DOWN TO A SITE PLAN BEING APPROVED, CORRECT? YEAH.
THAT HAS TO HAPPEN ANYWAY FOR CV, SO, RIGHT, RIGHT.
AND WE'LL JUST, WE'LL, I MEAN AT LEAST YOU'VE GOT A, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL NEED TWO SPACES PER LODGING UNIT AND THEN ONE PER STAFF.
HOWEVER WE CAPTURE YOU WANT, YOU WANNA INCLUDE THE EMPLOYEE PARKING.
SO AT LEAST ONE PER EMPLOYEE AND ONE PER EMPLOYEE PAR.
WE COULD, WE COULD INCLUDE THAT AND THEN OTHER AS DETERMINED BY THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR BASED ON THE REVIEW THE SITE PLAN.
THE WORKING IS THAT, IS THAT NOT DEPENDENT ON THE LOT? IT BE JUST A ONE BEDROOM EFFICIENCY, THEN WE WOULD STILL HAVE TO PROVIDE TWO PARKING RESPONSIBILITIES? WELL, USUALLY YES.
ALL DWELLING D USUALLY HAVE A QUI SIZED BED IN THERE, DON'T YOU
DWELL DWELLING UNITS IN WARREN COUNTY ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE OFF STREET PARKING PROVIDED IN THE AMOUNT OF TWO PARKING SPACES THAT ALREADY REQUIRED THAT.
THAT'S IN, THAT'S IN THE PARKING THAT'S REQUIRED FOR ANY DWELLING IN THE COUNTY.
TWO PEOPLE COME FROM TWO DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS FOR THE WEEKEND.
I WON'T AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST HERE.
WELL, CP DOESN'T GO INTO THAT KIND OF DEPTH.
SO, AND STILL MOVE OR DO WE HAVE TO NO, WE HAVE A CONCEPT THAT'S FLESH OUT ENOUGH NOW.
IF YOU GUYS ARE COMFORTABLE WITH IT, WE CAN CRAFT A MOTION TO DEAL WITH IT.
DO YOU WANT ME TO TRY TO BACK UP SOMETHING? IT'S GONNA BE CONDITIONS AND AMENDMENT CONDITIONS, AMENDMENT.
DOES THAT WORK? IT, THAT'S, THAT'S FINE.
I GUESS MY, IF YOU GUYS ARE OTHERWISE COMFORTABLE IN MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS MM-HMM.
IF YOU'RE, IF YOU YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, YOU CAN SAY, SO MOVE.
GOOD THING IT'S BEING RECORDED.
AND, AND JUST TO REFLECT, 'CAUSE I, I DIDN'T WANNA PRESUME THAT YOU WOULD RECOMMEND IT, SO YOU MIGHT RECOMMEND WITH THE CHANGE AS DESCRIBED BY THE ATTORNEY.
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GO AHEAD.LET'S SEE IF I CAN PULL THIS UP.
OKAY, SO I'M GOING TO, NOW I LOST MY SPOT.
WE'RE GONNA BE HERE JUST A SECOND LONGER.
FINDING THAT THE PROPOSED ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE AM NOT ON THE RIGHT ONE.
FOR THE PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE AND GENERAL WELFARE AND IS GOOD ZONING PRACTICE.
I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL AND ADDED WITH, WITH THE CHANGE AS DESCRIBED BY THE COUNTY WITH THE CHANGE THAT'S DESCRIBED BY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.
OPPOSED? I WAS HAVING TO BE FORWARDED ONTO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND HOPEFULLY A LITTLE SMOOTHER.
[X. Consent Agenda]
CONSENT AGENDA AUTHORIZATION TO ADVERTISE.MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED.
OPPOSED? AYES HAVING MISSION MATTERS.
[X. Commission Matters]
MR. LAN, WHAT'S IN YOUR MIND THESE DAYS? OKAY, UH, WELL I'LL ADDRESS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THEN MR. BOWMAN WILL ADDRESS THE NEW ORDINANCE FOR THE STATE REGARDING, UH, PUBLICATION OF, OF, UH, FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS.I'D LIKE TO JUST AGAIN, THANK UH, KELLY AND, AND ALLISON FOR, UH, DOING A A GREAT JOB WORKING ON THAT.
UM, I THINK WE'RE A COUPLE OF CHAPTERS AWAY.
MAYBE, MAYBE ONE MORE WORK SESSION.
UH, I'D LIKE TO, IF ANYTHING, HAVE YOU REVIEW, UM, THE FINAL, UH, GOALS AND OBJECTIVES.
WE'LL HAVE EVERYTHING COMPILED INTO THAT.
THAT'LL BE AN IMPORTANT THING.
UM, THE NOTES THAT WE TOOK TONIGHT WILL, WILL AMEND TO THOSE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES FOR EACH CHAPTER.
AND THEN ALSO THOSE ARE REFLECTED IN THE FINAL CHAPTER.
UM, AND THEN, UH, WE ARE WORKING AGAIN STILL A LITTLE BIT ON SOME OF THE, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE RELATED, UH, CHAPTER.
UM, AND AGAIN, UH, TONIGHT WAS A PRETTY LONG CHAPTER, BUT I'M GLAD WE GOT THROUGH IT.
UM, SO I THINK WE'RE ONE POINT FOR, UM, GETTING THIS TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC, PROBABLY MAYBE IN SEPTEMBER-ISH.
AT LEAST TO AUTHORIZE ADVERTISEMENT.
THAT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF TWEAK THINGS, CLEAN THINGS UP.
YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW IT ONCE MORE.
AND THEN WE'LL JUST BE IN CONTACT WITH YOU IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO JUST REVIEW A, A CHAPTER AND WE COULD JUST EMAIL IT TO YOU AND YOU JUST TAKE TIME ON YOUR TIME TO, TO REVIEW THAT.
SO, UH, AND PLEASE BE SURE TO SUBMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO, TO KELLY AND ALLISON SO WE CAN MAKE ANY CHANGES.
UM, AND THEN AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO THANK COREY AND, AND, UH, OUR NEW INTERN, OUR GIS INTERN SEAN, FOR, UH, PUTTING TOGETHER THAT STORY MAP.
WE'LL PROBABLY REFINE THAT, FINISH THAT UP A LITTLE BIT AND THEN WE'RE GONNA SEE WHERE WE, WHAT WE CAN GET FOR, UH, SOME OF THOSE PIECES OF, UH, THOSE YEARS THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE, UH, IMAGERY.
AND THEN EVENTUALLY WE'LL WE WILL ROLL THAT OUT WITH, UH, UH, COMP PLAN REVIEW.
SO, UM, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT.
UM, MR. BOWMAN, DO YOU, WOULD, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE STATE CODE? UH, UM, YEAH, I'M HAPPY TO.
UH, SO OF COURSE JULY ONE HAS COME AND GONE.
THAT'S THE DATE WHERE GENERAL ASSEMBLY CHANGES TYPICALLY TAKE EFFECT.
THERE WERE A NUMBER OF NEW LAWS AFFECTING LOCAL GOVERNMENTS COMING OUT OF THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION.
ONE OF THEM WAS A CHANGE TO 15.2, 2204, WHICH IS THE VIRGINIA CODE SECTION THAT DETAILS HOW THE COUNTY NEEDS TO ADVERTISE, PROPOSED CS AND TEXT AMENDMENTS.
ALMOST EVERYTHING THAT COMES BEFORE YOU FOR A PUBLIC HEARING HAS TO GET ADVERTISED IN THE PAPER.
AND, UM, IT HAD BEEN, THIS CODE SECTION HAD BEEN STATIC FOR ALMOST ALL MY CAREER.
AND NOW IN THE LAST TWO YEARS THEY'VE CHANGED IT AND NOW THEY'VE CHANGED IT AGAIN.
UH, OF COURSE THE FIRST TIME THEY CHANGED IT, THEY PRETTY MUCH BUTCHERED IT.
YOU'RE GETTING, YOU'RE GETTING A LITTLE BIT OF INTERPRETATION FROM ME, BUT, UM, IT, IT CREATED THE, WHEN THEY CHANGED IT LAST YEAR, IT CREATED A NUMBER OF PROBLEMS FOR MANY LOCALITIES BECAUSE IT, IT MOVED THE TIMEFRAME FOR WHEN YOU NEED TO ADVERTISE SOMETHING, UH, VERY
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CLOSE TO IT CREATED THIS CONCEPT OF A DATE OF INTENDED ADOPTION.WHAT IT MEANT IS THAT BA BASICALLY YOU HAD TO INTEND TO ACT ON THE DATE OF A PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH IS OKAY FOR YOU BECAUSE YOU TYPICALLY DO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN VOTE.
BUT MANY LOCALITIES HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN THEY COME BACK AND VOTE AT THE NEXT MEETING AFTER THEY'VE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT.
AND IT CREATED A PROBLEM FOR ALMOST EVERYBODY WHO DOES THAT.
NOW THEY'VE CHANGED IT AGAIN TO GET RID OF THAT WHOLE CONCEPT 'CAUSE IT DIDN'T WORK FOR PEOPLE.
AND OUR NEW REQUIREMENT MOVING FORWARD IS THAT THERE IS A, WE NEED TO ADVERTISE IN THE NEWSPAPER TWICE, WHICH WE'VE ALWAYS HAD TO DO.
AND WE HAVE A TIME WINDOW WITHIN WHICH TO DO IT.
THE FIRST AD CAN RUN NO EARLIER, UH, THAN 28 DAYS BEFORE THE MEETING.
THAT IS, UM, GONNA BE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM BECAUSE WHEN YOU VOTE TO AUTHORIZE ADVERTISEMENT, TYPICALLY YOU'RE ONE MONTH OUT, 28 DAYS, ONE MONTH.
SO WE'RE NEVER GONNA GET THE AD RUN TOO EARLY ON THAT.
UH, AND THEN WE NEED TO ADD, FOLLOWING THE BEGINNING OF THE 28 DAY WINDOW, WE NEED TO RUN TWO ADS WITH THE SECOND AD RUNNING NO LATER THAN SEVEN DAYS.
SO WE'VE GOT 21 A PERIOD OF 21 DAYS THERE WHERE WE GOTTA RUN TWO NEWSPAPER ADS AND THEN WE, THE, THE SECOND AD CAN'T BE CLOSER TO YOUR MEETING THAN SEVEN DAYS.
SO I PROBABLY CONFUSED YOU ALL.
BUT THE TAKEAWAY IS, UH, WE'VE GOT A LONGER WINDOW NOW TO RUN TWO ADS.
THEY RUN A LITTLE BIT EARLIER.
THEY CAN RUN A LITTLE EARLIER, UH, A LITTLE FURTHER AWAY FROM YOUR MEETING.
I THINK ON BALANCE THAT'S A GOOD THING BECAUSE IT GIVES THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO KNOW ABOUT A MEETING WHERE THEY WANT TO COME TALK ABOUT SOMETHING.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE GENERALLY, LEGAL WORKS WITH STAFF TO MAKE SURE THOSE ADS ARE AD REQUIREMENTS ARE COMPLIED WITH.
ANY QUESTIONS? UH, NOT FOR THIS BOARD, BUT IT'S LIKE THE TOWN, WHENEVER THE TOWN COUNCIL APPROVES SOMETHING, THEY APPROVE IT ON THE SECOND READING.
SO, SO I GUESS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO ADVERTISE THREE TIMES NOW.
WELL IT, WITHOUT GETTING TOO DEEP INTO THE WEEDS, IT DISPENSED WITH THIS CONCEPT OF INTENDED ADOPTION.
'CAUSE THE TOWN'S PRACTICE IS SIMILAR TO MOST CITY PRACTICES, BUT DIFFERENT THAN COUNTIES.
AND, UM, NOW ALL IT SAYS IS THAT THE, THE ADS THAT THAT TIME WINDOW THAT I WAS DESCRIBING FOR YOU IS IN REFERENCE TO JUST THE DATE REFERENCED IN THE AD, WHICH I PRESUME FOR EVERYBODY WILL BE THE PUBLIC HEARING DATE BECAUSE THEY WOULDN'T WANNA KNOW ANY OTHER DATE OTHER THAN THE DATE THAT THEY CAN SHOW UP FOR THE HEARING.
AND SO IF THE TOWN IS HOLDING THE PUBLIC HEARING AT ITS SECOND MEETING, THAT WOULD BE THE DATE THAT THEY PUT IN THE ADS AND THAT WOULD BE THE DATE THAT THEIR WINDOW IS CALCULATED BY.
OR IF THEY DO THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THEIR FIRST MEETING, THEN THEY'LL, THEY'LL RUN IT OFF THAT.
AND IT'S A, IT'S A BETTER SET OF RULES.
IT'LL WORK FOR COUNTIES, BUT IT SHOULD WORK FOR CITIES AND TOWNS TOO.
I'M SURE THERE WILL, THERE'LL BE PROBLEMS, BUT I DON'T FORESEE US HAVING ANY, AND I'LL JUST MENTION FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DO LOOK FOR THESE IN THE NEWSPAPER, THE DIFFERENCE NOW WILL BE INSTEAD OF RUNNING OUR ADS ON THURSDAYS, THE, THE TWO THURSDAYS PRIOR TO THE MEETING, WE'LL BE RUNNING 'EM THE TWO TUESDAYS.
SO WE BACKED IT UP TWO DAYS TO GET THE SEVEN DAYS.
WELL ACTUALLY, WE'LL IT'LL BE EIGHT DAYS IN ADVANCE OR EIGHT DAYS.
SO, SO THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY IMPACT THAT WE WILL, YOU'LL SEE ON THIS.
ANYBODY ELSE? LET'S GO TO COMMISSION MEMBERS CONCERNS.
SCOTT, YOU GOT ANYTHING? WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE, UH, REGULATIONS GOVERNING THE COUNTY'S STARTING TO LOOK LIKE AND SOUND LIKE THE REGULATIONS GOVERNING HOAS
WE GOT THE SAME DATES, BUT NOW I UH, THINGS GOING WELL UP THERE IN THE NORTH END AND WE'RE YEP.
NOW WITH ME, THERE'S NOT A HOLIDAY IN AUGUST, YOU KNOW, OR FROM NOW UNTIL SEPTEMBER.
SO I CAN'T WISH ANYBODY A HAPPY ANYTHING.
YOU CAN WISH HIM A HAPPY BIRTHDAY.
WAIT, A MY BIRTHDAY'S IN MY BIRTHDAY'S IN AUGUST.
YOU WANT MY BIRTHDAY'S IN AUGUST? MINE TOO.
BUT WE GOT A MEETING IN AUGUST.
HOW ABOUT MR. HENRY? LET'S WISH HIM MAP BIRTHDAY.
HAILEY, ANYTHING? I I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING NOW.
AH, SEE, LOOKS LIKE KELLY'S ALREADY GIVEN UP ON US.
SO YOU GOT ANY MAN, SHE TOOK YOUR NAME? UM, NO, UH, I GUESS HUGH, LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU WANT TO GET TOGETHER AND MEET TO GO OVER THAT TEXT AMENDMENT AND WE'LL, WE'LL BANG IT OUT.
OH, I'M PROBABLY GONNA EMAIL YOU 'CAUSE YOU'LL BE GONE IN TWO WEEKS.
I'LL BE GONE ON JULY 26TH AND THEN THE ENTIRE BACK HALF OF, UH, AUGUST AFTER OUR MEETING NEXT
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MONTH.ACTUALLY, I GOT SOME QUESTIONS I NEED TO ASK, BUT I HAVEN'T DONE ENOUGH INTELLIGENT THOUGHT TO ASK 'EM RIGHT YET.
SO I'LL PROBABLY SEND, SEND YOU SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT ORDINANCE AND YOU'LL DO A BETTER JOB OF FINDING IT, MAKE SURE I GET IT RIGHT AND THEN I'M GONNA COMMUNICATE THAT WITH SOME OTHERS AND THEN MORE SET UP MEETING.
FOR YOUR HELP, NOT ON THE LIST.
YOU GOT ANYTHING COMPLAIN ABOUT ALLISON, JUST YOUR PERIODIC REMINDER THAT IF YOU GET AN EMAIL, PLEASE FORWARD IT TO ME.
'CAUSE WE NEED, WE, WE LIKE TO HAVE EVERYTHING THAT GETS COMMUNICATED TO ANYONE IN THE PROCESS OF THESE PUBLIC HEARINGS IN THE FILE.
WHEN THEY HIT THE BOARD, EVERYTHING'S THERE.
I REALLY DON'T NEED ALL OF YOUR EMAILS, SCOTT.
WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.