Aug 14, 2024 Planning Commission

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THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO DO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH EVERY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

[IV. Adoption of the Agenda]

MR. CHAIRMAN, MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE AGENDA PERCENTAGE.

SECOND.

I'LL SECOND.

ALRIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE.

A OPPOSED? OUR AGENDA IS ADOPTED.

[V. Adoption of the Regular Meeting Minutes]

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED.

SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.

OPPOSED? MINUTES ARE ADOPTED.

[VI. Public Presentations]

PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS ARE LIMITED TO ISSUES THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED ON THE MEETING.

AGENDA IS INTENDED AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE THE PUBLIC INPUT TO RELATIVE PLANNING ISSUES, NOT INTENDED AS A QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD.

SO IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO MENTION, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

NOTICE OUR RULES OF ENGAGEMENT AND TELL US WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND.

, SO NO ONE COME FORWARD.

WE'LL MOVE ON.

WE HAVE FIVE PEOPLE SIGNED THAT FOR PUBLICATION.

PRESENTATION.

PRESENTATION.

PRESENTATION.

YES, SIR.

OKAY.

BUT THEY WERE, THEY SIGNED THE CORRECT SHEET.

SO THOSE FIRST FIVE PEOPLE.

OKAY.

JOHN JENKINS.

GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS JOHN JENKINS.

ADDRESS, 2 4 1 GIMLET RIDGE ROAD, BENTONVILLE, VIRGINIA.

UH, I'M HERE AGAIN TONIGHT TO, UH, OPPOSE THE, UH, LOCATION OF THE FIRING RANGE OUT IN BENTONVILLE.

UH, THERE ARE SEVERAL ISSUES, SAFETY ISSUES, NOISE VIOLATIONS, UH, WHEN THE, UH, SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR MIDDLETOWN FIREARMS WAS APPROVED BY THE, UH, COUNTY.

THE REGULATION FOR THE NOISE AT THE PROPERTY LINE WAS 60 DECIMALS.

60 DECIMALS AT THE PROPERTY LINE.

THAT'S PART OF THE, UH, APPROVAL PROCESS FOR MIDDLETOWN FIREARMS. UH, WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, BEST FACILITY FOR THE SHOOTING RANGE WOULD BE INDOOR.

UH, I'M SORT OF IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT.

UH, THERE'S A BUILDING AVAILABLE ON KENDRICK LANE RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE FRONT ROW POLICE STATION.

AND THAT BUILDING IS OWNED BY EITHER KIRK TRAN SLASH ED.

A KIND OF HARD TO MAKE TO FIGURE OUT WHO OWNS WHAT OUT THERE.

I KNOW THE PROPERTY WAS SOLD FOR $1.

HE HAS ABOUT A MILLION DOLLAR OR A MILLION A QUARTER INVESTMENT.

UH, THE BUILDING IS INCOMPLETE.

I SPOKE WITH, UH, MR. TRAN YESTERDAY.

UH, HE, HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITH IT.

HE GAVE A BUNCH OF REASONS WHY IT'S NOT FINISHED.

I DON'T WANT TO ADDRESS THOSE.

BUT, UM, THE TAXPAYERS, FROM WHAT I CAN GATHER, HAVE TAXPAYERS MONEY HAS BEEN GIVEN TO IT.

FEDERAL BANK LOANS BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, A TOTAL OF $506,400.

THAT WAS AS OF MAY 30TH, 2023, 500, $6,400 TAXPAYER DOLLARS GOING TO CURRAN LOAN PAYMENT.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.

IF ANY OF YOU CAN, UH, FIND OUT WHY THAT HAS OCCURRED, HELP ME OUT.

BUT I FIGURE IF THE COUNTY'S ALREADY MADE $500,000 TOWARD HIS LOAN AND HIS BACK TAXES ARE OWED OF $60,000, THEN WHY DON'T YOU REPOSSESS THAT BUILDING ALONG WITH THE 30 ACRES, BUT THE TRAINING FACILITY THERE, THAT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE THEN TO TRY TO SPEND A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS PUTTING IT DOWN IN BROWNTOWN OR, UH, VILLE RATHER.

AND WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE, THEY'RE SHOOTING OUT THERE IN THE DIRT.

I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S NOT GONNA, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

PLUS THERE'S NO MONEY BUDGETED FOR THE WORK THAT'S GONNA BE DOING OUT THERE ANYWAY.

SHOULD BE APPROVED.

THE LAST THING I HAVE AND I CAN'T GET ANY INFORMATION ON IS COUNTY EMPLOYEES WORKING ON COLOR FARM AT INDIAN HOLLOW ROAD AND NAPER HILL ROAD ON THAT CORNER, SEEDING AND STRAW DIRT PILES PLACED THERE BY THE CONTRACTOR DOING THE WORK FOR THE, UH, BOAT LANDING COUNTY EMPLOYEES, COUNTY MATERIALS, PRIVATE PROPERTY FOR MS COLORS.

I'VE SENT IN A, UH, FOIA REQUEST.

THEY CAN'T FIND ANY DOCUMENTATION, WHICH DOESN'T

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IT'S THERE.

IT IF IT'S GOOD.

THANK YOU, SIR.

GOOD DEAR JEFF BAGLEY EVENING, UH, COMMISSION PLANNING COMMISSION.

THANK Y'ALL FOR ALL YOUR THING YOU DO FOR THE COUNTY.

UH, I OWNED A PROPERTY BEHIND.

SIR, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

OH, I'M SORRY.

IT'S, YEAH, JUST FORMALITY, BUT WE HAVE TO DO THAT.

UM, JEFF BAGLEY, I PRESENTLY LIVE IN THE HAPPY THE NORTH RIVER DISTRICT.

I'M GETTING READY TO MOVE TO THE SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT.

I OWN THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY BEHIND THE DUMP.

OKAY, WELL WE NEED A STREET ADDRESS ALSO.

OKAY.

UM, HER STREET ADDRESS, 3 3 9 RIVERRIDGE DRIVE.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

UM, THE, THE, THE SHOOTING THAT WAS DONE AT THE, AT THE DUMP PROPERTY ON THE, UH, JULY THE 11TH.

I, I WASN'T ABLE TO MAKE IT.

I I ONLY LEARNED THAT THE NIGHT BEFORE, ABOUT 12 HOURS BEFORE THAT, THE, THE DEPUTY SHOWED UP.

THEY SHOT THE GUNS, THEY RICOCHET ALL THE WAY UP THROUGH THE PROPERTY.

THEY HAD NO IDEA WHAT THE BACKGROUND WAS.

THEY WERE JUST SHOOTING, UH, IT WAS RECORDED AT A, AT 119 DECIMALS AT OUR FENCE.

AND THAT WAS VIDEOTAPED.

SO, UH, IN, IN, IN THE CHAPTER CODE, CHAPTER 1 23, SECTION FOUR, IT, IT SAYS THAT ANYTHING FROM THE INDUSTRIAL PART OR INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY HAS TO BE, WHEN IT GETS TO THE PROPERTY LINE, IT HAS TO BE BELOW A 62.

AND, AND AT ONE 19, YOU'RE, IT'S DOUBLE THAT.

THE OTHER THING IS, IS THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA, THEY WANNA BUILD A, A 34 FOOT BERM WITH RAILROAD TIES, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE HAD SIX OR SEVEN INCHES OF RAIN THIS PAST WEEK.

WELL, LAST WEEK.

AND THAT, THAT WOULD'VE PROBABLY WASHED ALL THAT DOWN OVER THE MOUNTAIN.

UH, YOU, YOU KNOW, NO, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT CORRECT.

BUT THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA QUESTION AND ANSWER THAT IT WAS NOT IN THE PLAN TO BUILD 34 FOOT HIGH.

OKAY.

RAILROAD TIE WALL.

OKAY.

NO, THAT'S INCORRECT.

BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS ANYTIME YOU, YOU'RE FIRING BULLETS, YOU'RE FIRING BULLETS AT MY PROPERTY, 67 FEET AWAY.

I, I'VE, WE'VE LOOKED AT THE OTHER COUNTIES.

THEY'RE, THEY'RE, MOST OF 'EM ARE 500 YARDS OR MORE AWAY.

THIS IS 32 YARDS, UH, UH, FROM MY PROPERTY.

SO MY CONCERN IS, IS FOR MYSELF TO, OF THE DAYS WHEN I CAN USE MY PROPERTY AND WHEN I CAN'T USE MY PROPERTY, OUR, MY, MY SON, I HAVE GRANDCHILDREN THAT, THAT THEY, THEY DON'T GET LETTERS IN THE MAIL.

THEY JUST WALK THROUGH THE WOODS WHENEVER THEY'D LIKE TO WALK THROUGH THE WOODS.

BUT I KNOW YOU GUYS WILL MAKE A, A DECISION.

HOPEFULLY IT'S A, IT'S A DECISION FOR ALL OF GOOD OF WARREN COUNTY.

'CAUSE I, I KNOW THAT'S, IT'S GONNA COST MORE THAN, THAN WHAT THE, THE, THE, THE INITIAL COST IS GONNA BE.

UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA BE SHOOTING THE BULLETS AT ABOUT THREE TO FOUR TO FIVE FEET.

SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO REPLACE ALL THAT.

AND ANYTHING ABOVE THAT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO REPLACE EVERY TIME.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU.

DREW.

BAGGER WEIGHT.

DREW BAGLEY TWO 15 RIVER RIDGE DRIVE, MIDDLETOWN, VIRGINIA, NORTH SIDE.

I'VE SENT PLENTY OF Y'ALL EMAILS REGARDING THE SAFETY OF THIS REQUIRED TRAINING.

THE QUALIFICATIONS THAT ARE REQUIRED.

IN FACT, WE'VE GOT MULTIPLE STORIES.

THE BACKUP THAT IT SHOULD BE AN INDOOR FACILITY.

OBVIOUSLY.

WE JUST HAD A SHOOTING LAST NIGHT WHERE WARREN COUNTY AND FRONT ROYAL WERE NOT ABLE TO, TO CONDUCT PROPER OPERATIONS.

THEY HAD TO CALL IN WINCHESTER SHOWS THAT THEY NEED TO BE TRAINING INSIDE.

WE'RE NOT SHOOTING ACROSS FIELDS, WE'RE SHOOTING INDOORS.

THAT'S WHAT THEY NEED TO BE DOING.

WE HAVE ESA WHERE FIRE DEPARTMENT TRAINS.

THAT'S A BUILDING.

IT'S A BURN BUILDING.

BUILT A STRUCTURE THAT WILL HOLD UP TO A FIRE.

WE HAVE PLENTY OF OTHER ALLOCATIONS THAT WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE JUST DOESN'T WANNA LOOK AT.

IT'S A PUSH FOR THIS AREA.

I'VE SUPPLIED MULTIPLE SCENARIOS, 67 FEET.

I'LL BE GLAD TO DRIVE A VAN AROUND AND SHOW EVERYBODY HERE WHAT ALL THE COUNTIES ARE.

I CAN GO TO 'EM, I CAN SHOW YOU THE SHOOTING RANGES, HOW THEY'RE SET UP.

67 FEET'S NOT SAFE.

IT'S JUST YOU BUILD, IF YOU DIG DOWN 34 FEET, THAT'S WHAT THE DEPUTY HAS PROPOSED.

YOU'RE DIGGING DOWN 34 FEET.

I PRESENTED THAT.

IF I'M STANDING AT THE PROPERTY LINE, THAT'S 60 FEET OF ELEVATION

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THE OTHER POSSIBILITY IS SEPTEMBER 7TH, I BELIEVE THIS YEAR, ALL THE WAY UNTIL THE END OF MARCH IS HUNTING SEASON.

WE HAVE AN EXTENDED HUNTING SEASON.

I COULD BE 15 FEET IN A TREE.

THAT GIVES ME MORE ELEVATION, MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR RICOCHET.

IT'S NOT A GOOD LOCATION.

I WILL FIGHT IT TILL THE DEATH AND I WILL MAKE SURE THAT I'LL FIGHT IT.

WE'VE HIRED AS MUCH AS WE POSSIBLY CAN TO FIGHT IT, AND WE'RE PREPARED TO DO WHATEVER IT TAKES.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

JOHN SWENSEN.

JOHN SWENSON, GIMLET RIDGE, HOA.

AFTER SPEAKING WITH OTHER MEMBERS OF THE HOA, WE HAVE THIS INFORMATION TO SHARE.

MR. SWENSON, PLEASE GIVE US YOUR PHYSICAL MAILING ADDRESS.

I'M SORRY.

PLEASE GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS.

OH 2 0 8 GIMLET RIDGE ROAD.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

UM, FROM THE WARD COUNTY ORDINANCES OF SOUND CROSSING, REAL PROPERTY BOUNDARIES SECTION TWO PURPOSE STATES, IT IS RECOGNIZED THAT THE LOUD SOUNDS CROSSING OUTDOOR PRIVATE PROPERTY BOUNDARIES CAN ENDANGER THE PHYSICAL AND EMOTIONAL HEALTH AND WELFARE OF THE PEOPLE, INTERFERE WITH LEGITIMATE COMMUNICATION AND BUSINESS AND RECREATION, INTERFERE WITH SLEEP, INCREASE CONSTRUCTION, CROSS DEPRESSED PROPERTY VALUES, OFFEND THE SENSES, CREATE PUBLIC NUISANCES, AND IN MANY CASES, REDUCE THE QUALITY OF LIFE.

AFTER RECEIVING COUNSEL FROM A ATTORNEY IN DC WHO HANDLES NOISE POLLUTION CASES, WE WERE INFORMED OF TWO THINGS.

NUMBER ONE, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT ARE NOT EXEMPT FROM THESE ORDINANCES.

THE SECOND IS THE RESULTS OF THE NOISE AND EFFECTS STATED IN THE ORDINANCE WOULD BE PRESENTED BY PLAINTIFFS IN A LAWSUIT, WOULD BE SETTLED BY ATTORNEYS AND A JUDGE IN A COURT OF LAW.

SECONDLY, UNDER SECTION FOUR, A NOISE MEASUREMENTS SHALL BE MADE AT THE PROPERTY LINE OF THE PROPERTY WHERE THE NOISE IS TO NOISE BEING MEASURED IS BEING GENERATED.

SUCH MEASUREMENTS MUST BE MADE AT A HEIGHT OF AT LEAST FOUR FEET ABOVE THE GROUND AND A POINT APPROXIMATELY 10 FEET AWAY.

WALLS, BARRIERS, BUSHES, TREES, AND ON A SOUTH SOUND LEVEL, METER ON THE A WEIGHING SCALE.

AFTER CONSULTING A CERTIFIED SOUND TECHNICIAN FROM THE IN MOBILE HEALTH DIAGNOSTIC COMPANY, WE FOUND OUT TWO THINGS.

THE NOISE MUST BE MEASURED AT THE TIME THE FACILITY IS FINISHED AND READY TO BE USED.

ALSO, POSSIBLY SUMMER AND WINTER WHEN THE LEAVES ARE OFF.

SECONDLY, ALL WEAPONS TO BE USED AND THE NUMBER OF THEM AT ANY GIVEN TIME MUST BE MEASURED.

EACH WEAPON MUST BE MEASURED INDIVIDUALLY, AND IF MANY OF 'EM ARE GONNA BE USED AT THE SAME TIME, THOSE HAVE TO MEASURE, MEASURE TO.

AND BOTH OF THOSE THINGS ARE WHAT WOULD BE NEED TO BE VALID TO BE PRESENTED IN A COURT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU.

MICHELLE FLETCHER.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

UH, MICHELLE FLETCHER, SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT.

I'M NOT GONNA GIVE MY ADDRESS.

IT'S PII INFORMATION THAT SHOULD NOT BE.

YOU'RE BEING RECORDED.

UH, I WORK FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

I'M, I'M, UH, IS THAT ALLOWABLE? UH, I'M NOT THE ATTORNEY.

SO I CAN, AND THE ATTORNEY'S NOT HERE.

OKAY.

SO, UH, I, I'VE SEEN IT AT THE BOARD LEVEL.

I'VE SEEN IT WHERE THEY'VE NOT CUS HIMSELF OF GIVING THE SPECIFIC ADDRESS AND JUST GIVEN THEIR MAG DISTRICT.

I SEEN THAT THEN, BUT THEN WE'LL FALL ASLEEP WITH WHAT I'VE OBSERVED.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

UM, SO I WAS AT THE LAST PLANNING MEETING.

THERE WAS A LOT OF COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE THAT, IN MY OPINION, WAS VERY DISRESPECTFUL TO THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE OPPOSING THIS.

UM, SOME OF THOSE WERE THAT, WELL, YOU ACCEPTED THE RISK BECAUSE YOU CHOSE TO LIVE THERE.

MY FAMILY'S PROPERTY HAS BEEN THERE FOR ALMOST 70 YEARS.

SO US CHOOSING, NO, THIS, NOT YOU ALL, BUT THE COUNTY CHOSE TO PUT THE LANDFILL THERE.

RIGHT.

THEN THEY CHOSE TO PUT THE TRANSFER STATION THERE, AND NOW YOU WANNA PUT A FIRING RANGE THERE.

I MEAN, THIS IS MY FAMILY'S PROPERTY.

MY FATHER IS PASSED AWAY, BUT HIS DREAM WAS FOR HIS FARM TO LIVE ON, FOR MY GENERATION AND MY SON'S GENERATION.

AND BY POISONING THE LAND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, YOU KNOW, ISN'T THERE

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SO WHEN YOU SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, THE BENEFIT FOR THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, THEY CAN GO TRAIN SOMEWHERE.

WHAT'S THE COST OF THE INMATES COMING OUT AND MOWING? THEN THERE'S THE OTHER RISK OF THAT, OF HAVING INMATES OUT THERE WITH SMALL CHILDREN.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT CHARGES THEY'VE HAD AGAINST THEM.

SO NOW YOU WANNA HAVE ANOTHER RISK OUT THERE.

NOT ONLY POISONING OUR LAND THAT'S RUN OFF FROM THE TRANSFER STATION, BUT NOW YOU WANNA HAVE INMATES OUT THERE WHERE WE MIGHT HAVE CHILDREN AND THEY MIGHT MOLEST THOSE CHILDREN.

SO I BEG Y'ALL TO LOOK FOR OTHER OPTIONS.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

DID YOU SIGN UP? I DID NOT.

OKAY.

I, I'M THE ONLY OTHER PERSON I HAVE ON THE LIST IS CALEB DEHART.

ARE YOU SPEAKING? I'M NOT.

OKAY.

ARE YOU NOT OPENING IT TO OTHER ADDITIONAL PEOPLE WHO SIGNED UP FIRST? OKAY.

SO, MR. DEHART, ARE YOU SPEAKING ABOUT THE, IN THE OPEN PORTION OR FOR THE CUP THAT WE HAVE OPEN? UH, I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF THE, UH, CONDITIONAL USE.

OKAY.

OKAY.

THEN THAT IS THE END OF THE LIST.

.

OKAY.

SO IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THERE? OBVIOUSLY SOMEONE ELSE.

, THANK YOU.

GIVING ME THE BREACH OF ORDER THERE.

I WAS COUNTING TO FIVE, FIVE SPEAKERS THAT, UH, HAD BEEN MENTIONED.

UH, I'M DAVID BROMAN, 9 38 SHANGRILA ROAD.

UM, I, I HAD NOT PLANNED TO SPEAK TONIGHT, BUT SOUND HAS BEEN COMING UP QUITE A BIT AND THERE IS SOMETHING THAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT.

UH, FORGIVE ME IF I'M MISPRONOUNCING YOUR LAST NAME, MR. SIUS.

THAT'S PRETTY GOOD.

YOU REMEMBER ? OKAY.

OKAY.

UM, HAS BEEN TO MY, MY FRONT PORCH FOR THE, FOR THE FIRING, THE, THE TESTING.

UM, AND MY FRONT PORCH.

MY HOME IS ABOUT HALFWAY UP GIMLET RIDGE FROM THE LANDFILL.

UM, ON THE DAY OF TESTING, WE MEASURED 69 OR 70 DECIBELS AT MY PORCH.

MY PORCH IS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE LANDFILL.

THERE'S A PROPERTY TWO, TWO HOMES ABOVE MINE, FURTHER DISTANCE.

I WOULD ENCOURAGE IF, BY THE WAY, I WANT TO SEGUE FOR A MOMENT.

THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING ALTERNATE SITES.

I UNDERSTAND THAT'S UNDERWAY.

I, I HOPE THAT GOES WELL.

I HOPE IT CONTINUES TO, UH, TO YOUR SATISFACTION AND OURS.

UM, IF YOU DO CONTINUE FORWARD WITH SHANGRILA IN ANY MANNER, I DO HOPE THAT YOU'LL EITHER COME VISIT MY HOME FOR ADDITIONAL TESTING ALSO, OR ALTERNATELY JUST TO HEAR THE BACKGROUND NOISE.

THERE'S BEEN, UM, COMMENTS MADE THAT, WELL, YOU'RE ALREADY GETTING THE, THE, THE LANDFILL NOISE.

THIS SHOULD BE JUST FACTORED IN UNDER THE SAME, UM, UH, EXCUSE FROM THE, UH, FROM THE NOISE ORDINANCE.

AND IN FACT, I THINK MR. SIUS COULD, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO SPEAK WITH HIM, ASK HIM WHAT HIS EXPERIENCE WAS OF HEARING THE LANDFILL FROM MY PORCH.

OKAY.

IT WAS, AND AND HE CAN ALSO SHARE WITH YOU INFORMATION ABOUT THE, JUST THE AMBIENT NOISE OF THE MOVING AIR.

AMBIENT NOISE WAS SOMETHING LIKE 42 OR 45 DECIBELS AND, AND WELL WIND WAS 70.

YEAH.

AND, AND, AND THE LANDFILL NOISE WAS NOT EXCEEDING THAT.

OR IF IT WAS, IT WAS BY JUST A FEW DECIBELS.

UM, NOT ANYWHERE NEAR APPROACHING THE GUNSHOTS.

AND THAT WAS ONLY WITH THREE WEAPONS, NOT 10.

OKAY.

AND THAT'S WITH FULL LEAVES ON NOT IN THE WINTER OR THE FALL OR THE EARLY SPRING.

SO JUST TO HAVE THAT AS PART OF YOUR REFERENCE AS COMPARISON OF THE SHANGRILA SITE I'D, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO FIND OUT MORE ON THAT.

ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE? THAT'S IT FOR THE PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS, BUT BEFORE WE BEGIN GET FURTHER, I WILL MENTION ONE.

DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING LAST MONTH, THERE WAS ONE SPEAKER IN PARTICULAR THAT GOT UP AND QUESTIONED INTELLIGENCE OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, OPPOSED TO THIS, WHICH IS CLEARLY AGAIN, YOU KNOW, VIOLATES OUR RULES OF ENGAGEMENT.

I WILL NOT APOLOGIZE FOR SOMEONE ELSE, BUT I WILL APOLOGIZE FOR NOT CALLING ON THAT.

AND I CAN'T PROMISE YOU IT WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN.

AT LEAST NOT UNDER MY WATCH.

SO IF ANY OF YOU'RE OFFENDED, YOU HAVE MY APOLOGY FOR NOT CALLING IT OUT UNTIL NOW.

THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

[VII.A. CUP2024-07-01 - Jonathan DeHart - A request for a conditional use permit for a Short-Term Tourist Rental. The property is located at 345 Donna Court and identified on tax map 15D, section 2, block 5, as lot 281. The property is zoned Residential-One (R-1) and is located in the Shenandoah Farms - Riverview subdivision in the Shenandoah Magisterial District. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator]

WE HAVE ONE TONIGHT, CUP 20 24 0 7 0 1 JONATHAN D. HART.

REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 3 45

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PROPERTY IS ZONED R ONE RESIDENTIAL LOCATED IN THE SHENANDOAH FARMS RIVERVIEW SUBDIVISION IN THE SHENANDOAH MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.

MR. LIN.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY PURCHASED IN JUNE OF THIS YEAR.

THE OWNER WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR SHORT-TERM LODGING FOR THOSE WHO SELFLESSLY SERVE IN THE NOT-FOR-PROFIT SECTOR AND VISITORS OF THE WARREN COUNTY AREA.

THE APPLICANT WILL RETAIN A LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY TO HELP OVERSEE MAINTENANCE, CLEANING AND THE BOOKING OF RENTAL REQUESTS.

AS MENTIONED, THE PROPERTY IS OWNED RESIDENTIAL ONE LOCATED IN THE SHENANDOAH FARMS, UH, RIVERVIEW SUBDIVISION.

UH, WE DID REQUEST COMMENTS FROM THE PROPERTY OWNERS OF SHENANDOAH FARMS BUT HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANYTHING FOR, FOR THIS APPLICATION.

UH, THERE'S A HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT THAT APPROVES A MAXIMUM OF SIX OCCUPANTS FOR THE FOUR BEDROOM DWELLING.

UH, AND THEY HAVE, THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED A PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT INCLUDES A LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGEMENT, UH, CONTACT THAT IS LOCATED WITHIN FRONT ROYALS WITHIN THE 30 MILES REQUIRED, UH, DISTANCE.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A WAIVER TO THE 100 FOOT SETBACK REGULATION FROM ALL NEIGHBORING RESIDENCES AS THE DWELLING DOES NOT MEET THIS SETBACK.

UH, THE NEIGHBORING RESIDENCE AT 3 51 DONNA CORD IS LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 35 FEET TO THE EAST OF THE DWELLING ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND THE OTHER NEIGHBORING RESIDENCE, UH, TO THE WEST IS, UH, 3 23.

DONNA CORD IS LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 37 FEET TO THE WEST.

UH, BUT I CAN'T CONFIRM THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED LETTERS, SIGNED LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM, UH, FULL NEIGHBORS ON EITHER SIDE.

UH, AND SO, UH, IF YOU CHOOSE TO MOVE THIS FORWARD WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL PLANNING, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.

CONDITION NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.

NUMBER TWO, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED THE SYSTEM CAPACITY AS DETERMINED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT PER WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION 180 DASH 56.4 B.

THE CERTIFICATE OF ZONING SHALL ONLY BE ISSUED WITH APPROVED HEALTH DEPARTMENT RECORDS.

NUMBER THREE, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE WELL WATER TESTED ANNUALLY FOR E CO AND COLIFORM BACTERIA, AND A COPY OF THE RESULTS SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING AND HEALTH DEPARTMENTS.

NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM MAINTAINED ANNUALLY BY A LICENSED OPERATOR AS REQUIRED FOR AN ALTERNATIVE ONSITE SEWAGE DISPOSAL SYSTEM.

THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM PUMPED EVERY FIVE YEARS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, AND A COPY OF THE SERVICE INVOICE SHALL BE PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IN CONDITION NUMBER FIVE.

SHOULD YOU, UH, CHOOSE TO RECOMMEND WAIVER OF THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT READS A WAIVER TO THE REQUIRED SETBACK OF 100 FEET.

NEIGHBORING DWELLING SHALL BE GRANTED FOR THE EXISTING 35 FOOT SETBACK TO THE DWELLING EAST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

AND FOR THE EXISTING 37 FOOT SETBACK TO THE DWELLING WEST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER IS NOTIFIED.

THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

UH, ANY DOES THE APPLICANT WISH TO ADDRESS ANY OF THE COMMENTS? UH, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR SERVICE.

I KNOW IT'S A, UH, SACRIFICE AT TIMES, AND, UH, HEARING EVERYBODY'S THOUGHTS AND COMMENTS, UH, I KNOW IT CAN BE, UH, UH, BE HARD AND, UH, AT THE SAME TIME YOU'RE SERVING OUR COMMUNITY.

SO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO.

UH, IF YOU DON'T KNOW DONNA COURT, UH, IT IS A ROW OF EIGHT HOUSES.

UM, THAT'S, I BELIEVE THAT'S ALL THAT'S PLANNED ON BEING.

IF I, IF I MAY ASK HER, HOW COULD YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME AND, OH, I'M SORRY, JONATHAN DEHART.

I'M AT 3 4 5 DONNA COURT.

OKAY.

UM, IT'S A ROW OF EIGHT HOUSES AND IT IS, UH, NOT REALLY CON UH, CONDITIONED FOR FAMILIES, UH, JUST IN THE SENSE OF IT DOESN'T REALLY HAVE FRONT YARDS, DOESN'T HAVE A BACKYARD, IT'S JUST SLOPE.

AND SO, UH, WHAT MAKES IT GREAT FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND FOR SHORT TERM RENTAL IS IT'S GOT A CRAZY VIEW AND IT IS, UH, GREAT FOR IF YOU NEED TO GET AWAY, IT'S GREAT FOR RELAXATION, THAT SORT OF THING.

SO, UM, I THINK IT MAKES IT GOOD, UH, IN A COUPLE WAYS.

YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE, UH, I KNOW THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE ON THERE RIGHT NOW HAVE NO KIDS.

UH, TWO OF THE NEIGHBORS AT THE TOP OF THE HILL DOESN'T HAVE ANY KIDS.

MY NEIGHBOR TO MY RIGHT DOESN'T HAVE ANY KIDS.

MY NEIGHBOR TO MY LEFT, UM, IT'S HIS WEEKEND HOME AND HE COMES IN FROM DC UH, AND SPENDS THE WEEKENDS THERE.

SO, WITH THAT BEING SAID, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE KIDS IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, BUT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE REVENUE COMING INTO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM FROM THE TAXES.

AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA ALSO HAVE TOURISM TAX THAT WILL COME IN FROM IT, WHICH WILL ALSO HELP MAKE FRONT ROYAL A BETTER PLACE.

UM, AND SO ANOTHER THING THAT I JUST WANT TO MENTION, UH, I HAVE PUT UP TREES AS BARRIERS IN BETWEEN MY HOUSE AND THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSES

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AND THEN THE LAST THING I ASKED THE BUILDER WHEN HE WAS BUILDING THE PROPERTY TO PAVE THE DRIVEWAY AND TO BRING THE ASPHALT UP RIGHT TO THE FRONT PORCH, WHICH MAKES IT HANDICAP ACCESSIBLE INTO THE FRONT DOOR, WHICH, UM, PEOPLE THAT ARE HANDICAPPED LEADING A MOUNTAIN VIEW NOW HAVE, UH, A PLACE WHERE THEY CAN EASILY ASSESS, ASSESS IT, UH, THE FRONT DOOR AND GET IN WITHOUT HAVING TO HAVE ANY ASSISTANCE IN THAT.

SO ANYWAYS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND, UH, FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU.

WITH THAT, WE'LL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ANYONE SIGN UP TO SPEAK? ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THAT? DIDN'T SIGN UP WITH THAT? THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.

ONE I WILL MENTION JUST ADMINISTRATIVELY, I DO APPRECIATE THE COMMENT ON TRYING TO KEEP TAXES LOW, BUT THAT CANNOT GO WITHIN OUR DEC DECISION.

WE ARE STRICTLY AT LAND USE THIS TYPE THING.

CORRECT.

THAT'S A BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ISSUE.

UM, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY, I WAS WORKING ON ABOUT TWO DOORS UP ON A PROPERTY AND, UH, I DID TALK TO HIS NEIGHBOR.

UH, THE HOUSES ARE CLOSED TOGETHER.

MM-HMM.

.

UM, YEP.

I AIN'T SURE THAT THE, JUST LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY, UH, THE NEIGHBORS THERE, I AIN'T SURE THE WHOLE STREET WOULDN'T WORK OUT THAT WAY IF, IF, IF THEY WANTED TO, MIGHT BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT.

THE, UH, UH, THE ONE GENTLEMAN THAT LIVES THERE, HE, UH, HE CURRENTLY DOES NOT WANT TO DO THAT HIMSELF NOW, BUT HE IS NOT OPPOSED TO IT AT A LATER DATE.

AND, UH, HE IS NOT OPPOSED TO HIS NEIGHBOR, UH, YOU KNOW, ENCROACHING ON LESS THAN A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK.

HE WAS, UH, HE WAS IN SUPPORT OF IT.

I DID, UH, TALK TO HIM PERSONALLY, UH, IN THE PAST WEEK.

SO, UH, I, I DON'T, AND THEN THE, UH, THE GUY ON THE OTHER SIDE I DIDN'T TALK TO, BUT HE'S DEFINITELY IN SUPPORT OF IT AS WELL.

I TOOK THE TIME TO GO UP AND SEE IT FOR MYSELF AND THERE IS NO YARD.

YEAH.

FRONT OR BACK.

AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT I DO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN I WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT HOUSING SO CLOSE TOGETHER, UM, THIS IS MORE A HOUSE WHERE YOU ARE IN THE HOME AND THE WAY IT'S DESIGNED, THEY'RE, THE VIEWS, UM, WITH THE WINDOWS ARE, UH, I MEAN, THEY'RE GORGEOUS, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, WITH THE VIEW.

UM, SO I COULD VERY MUCH SEE THAT WHOLE AREA, UM, BEING, HAVING A UNIQUE PLAY AS SPECIFIC FOR AIRBNBS BECAUSE I, I DON'T, AND THIS IS JUST MY PERSONAL, YOU KNOW, FROM LIVING UP ON A MOUNTAIN AND GROWING UP ON THE MOUNTAIN, THAT IS A HARD LIFE TO LIVE LONG TERM.

UM, SO I THINK THAT THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BRING PEOPLE TO THE AREA AND ALLOW THEM TO SEE IT.

BUT THERE'S NOT MUCH OUTSIDE LIVING AT ALL.

IT IS ALL WINDOWS AND GORGEOUS WINDOWS.

SO YOU, YOU'RE GONNA BE IN THE HOUSE OR ON THE BACK PORCH PRETTY MUCH, BUT THEY ARE ALL DESIGNED THAT WAY, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS, YOU KNOW, IDEAL.

MM-HMM.

.

UM, SO THAT, THAT'S MY WHAT I WOULD HAVE TO ADD, EVEN THOUGH I KNOW IT IS CLOSE TOGETHER, IT'S THE WAY IT IS.

YEAH.

THEY'RE CLOSE TOGETHER.

THEY'RE TIERED TOO, SO IT'S NOT ALL, YOU KNOW, NEXT TO EACH OTHER.

THEY ARE.

YEAH.

THE ONE TO THE RIGHT IS, YEAH.

TIERED.

YEAH.

YEAH.

SO, BUT THE VIEWS ARE PHENOMENAL.

YEP.

BUT THE HOUSE IS UP FOR LEASE THOUGH AT $3,300 A MONTH.

I'M SORRY.

YOUR HOUSE IS LISTED ON ZULU FOR LEASE FOR AT, UH, $3,300 A MONTH.

YES, SIR.

YEAH, WE'RE LOOKING FOR A LONG-TERM RENTAL RIGHT NOW IF YOU GUYS DON'T APPROVE IT.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

OKAY.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? DETECTIVE, PLEASE MOVE THAT THE PLAN COMMISSION FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE CONDITION USE PERMIT REQUEST OF JONATHAN DEHART FOR SHORT TERM TUR RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING'S COMMISSION AND STAFF.

I'LL SECOND.

OKAY.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS FOR THE VOTE? YOU LOOK LIKE YOU'RE GETTING READY TO SAY SOMETHING.

WELL, NO, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I MEAN, I, AS EVERYBODY ELSE HAS SAID, 35 AND 37 FEET IS CLOSE.

UM, BUT WE HAVE THE LETTERS FROM THE NEIGHBORS.

UM, NEIGHBORS ARE HAPPY.

WE ARE TOO, TOO.

THEN WE'VE GOT A CONFIRMATION AND I'M, I'M OKAY WITH THIS.

OKAY.

WITH THAT.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

AYES HAVE IT.

YEAH.

WILL BE FORWARD TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROXIMATELY A MONTH.

THANK YOU SIR.

[VIII.A. S-04-2024 - Buck Mountain Land, LLC (Phillip Vaught) - Class B Subdivision - A request for final plat approval for a Class B subdivision containing five (5) lots submitted by Buck Mountain Land, LLC. The property is located at (0) Buck Mountain Road (State Route 622) and is identified on the parent tax map 37 as parcel 63F. The new tax map is identified as 37I and new parcels as 7 through 11. This property is zoned Agricultural (A) and is located in the South River Magisterial District. - Matt Wendling, Planning Director]

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LLC PROPERTY IS LOCATED BUCK MOUNTAIN ROAD STATE ROUTE 6 22.

IDENTIFY THAT AS ON THE PARENT TAX MAP 37 AS PARTIAL 63 F.

NEW PA TAX MAP IS IDENTIFIED AS, UH, I GOTTA GET NEW GLASSES AS 3 71.

NEW PARCEL, SEVEN THROUGH 11.

THIS PROPERTY IS OWNED AGRICULTURALS LOCATED IN THE SOUTH RIVER MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.

MR. WEDLEY.

YES.

UH, SECTION 1 55 DASH 30 B OF THE WARREN COUNTY SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE REQUIRES A FINAL PLAT FOR CLASS B SUBDIVISIONS SHALL BE APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSIONS.

UH, ATTACHED IS THE FINAL PLAT FOR BUCK MOUNTAIN LAND, LLC, UH, FOR FIVE LOT CLASS B SUBDIVISION.

UH, CLASS B SUBDIVISIONS ARE DESIGNATED, UH, AS THOSE SUBDIVISIONS RESULTING IN FIVE OR MORE LOTS BEING CREATED WHERE THEIR FRONTAGE IS ENTIRELY UPON EXISTING STREETS IN THE STATE HIGHWAY SYSTEM OR MEETING THE STANDARDS FOR ACCEPTANCE INTO SUCH SYSTEM OR QUALIFYING FOR PRIVATE ACCESS EASEMENT.

AND THERE IS NO DEDICATION OF LAND TO PUBLIC USE OTHER THAN THE WIDENING OF AN EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY AND NO REQUIRED IMPROVEMENTS OR SUBDIVISIONS OF LAND THAT ARE FIVE LOTS WHERE THE PA PARENT TRACT HAS BEEN SUBJECT OF A PREVIOUS SUBDIVISION OF LAND WITHIN THE PAST TWO YEARS.

STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE FINAL PLAT.

IT MEETS THE MINIMUM COUNTY REQUIREMENTS.

HEALTH DEPARTMENT HAS APPROVED THE PROPOSED, UH, WELL AND DRAIN FIELD SITES FOR EACH OF THE PARCELS.

VDI HAS APPROVED THE ENTRANCE LOCATIONS AND IDENTIFIED THE ENTRANCE IMPROVEMENTS ON TO ROUTE, UH, 6 22 BUCK MOUNT ROAD.

UH, BOTH AGENCY COMMENTS HAVE BEEN INCORPORATED AND ARE SHOWN ON THE PLAT HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND VDI HAVE REVIEWED AND SUBMITTED THEIR COMMENTS, UH, ON THE SUBDIVISION.

UM, WELL, AND I BELIEVE THEY HAVE ACTUALLY SIGNED THE APPROVED PLATS.

UM, COUNTY BUILDING OF OFFICIAL HAS SUBMITTED HIS COMMENTS RELATING TO THE EROSION AND SEDIMENT, UH, VIRGINIA DEQ STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AND REQUIREMENTS FOR THE APPROPRIATE BUILDING PERMITS, ALL OF WHICH YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKETS.

A COPY OF THE SUBDIVISION PLAT AND AGENCY COMMENTS ARE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKETS.

UH, PRIOR TO THE ACTING ON THE FINAL PLAT FOR A CLASS B SUBDIVISION, THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAY AUTHORIZE ADVERTISEMENT FOR A PUBLIC HEARING TO BE SCHEDULED IF THEY DESIRE.

UH, TONIGHT THE APPLICANT IS HERE, UH, FOR THE, UH, SUBDIVISION AND HE HAS BROUGHT HIS, UH, SURVEYOR MR. BROGAN FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE OF THEM.

OKAY.

I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

AND THIS IS, THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, SO YEAH, WE JUST, YEAH.

MR. BOT, ANYTHING TO ADD? NO.

OKAY.

ALL LOOKS IN ORDERS.

YEAH.

LOOKS GOOD TO ME.

I HAVE NO QUESTIONS.

ALRIGHT, WITH THAT.

IS HE GOING PREPARED FOR MOTION? I'M GETTING THERE.

? YEAH.

ON A ROLL.

WELL, IS IT ONE, TWO OR THREE? COME ON.

YEAH, IT'S BEING THIS, YEAH.

.

HERE WE GO.

NOPE, I'M ON THE WRONG ONE.

UH, MR. CHAIR, I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVE AND AUTHORIZE THE CHAIRMAN TO SIGN THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION PLAT AND REQUEST THAT STAFF NOTIFY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OF THIS DECISION TO APPROVE.

SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NO.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY SAYING AYE A.

AYE.

OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT.

THANK YOU.

OUR

[IX. Consent Agenda]

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS IS PRESENTED.

IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.

SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

OPPOSED? OKAY.

CONSENT AGENDA IS APPROVED.

I'LL ADD A LITTLE BIT IN THERE TOO.

ON ITEM B.

I AM NOT RELATED TO JOHN MYERS , BUT I WILL SAY THOUGH, THAT WAS THE NAME OF MY FAVORITE UNCLE, BUT HE'S NO LONGER WITH US, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER STORY.

[X. Commission Matters]

MISSION MATTERS, MR. WEDLEY.

I'LL JUST MENTION ON THE CLASS B, WE WOULD ASK THAT.

UH, AND AGAIN, ALLISON WAS GONNA FOLLOW UP WHAT WE WILL ASK, UH, YOU TO SIGN THOSE PRIOR TO LEAVING THIS EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES.

AND, UH, WE'LL GET THOSE TO THE

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THEY'VE BEEN, UH, PATIENTLY WAITING WITH BATED BREATH TO HAVE THAT.

OKAY.

COMPLETED.

EXCELLENT.

UM, REALLY ALL I HAVE THIS EVENING IS JUST AGAIN, WE WE'RE, UM, DOING PRETTY GOOD I THINK AS FAR AS OUR TIMELINE FOR CHAPTER, UH, UH, CHAPTERS OF A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, THIS EVENING.

WE WERE ABLE TO MAKE IT THROUGH TWO OUT OF THE THREE.

SO I WOULD ASK THAT IF YOU DO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY, JUST KIND OF REVIEW THOSE IMPLEMENTATION SECTION.

UM, WE WILL HAVE, UH, THE, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE CHAPTER SEVEN COMPLETED, I WILL SAY WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK.

AND WE WILL EMAIL THAT OUT TO YOU AS SOON AS THAT'S DONE WITH THE PROPOSED.

UM, UH, THE PLATS, OR I SHOULD SAY, EXCUSE ME, THE MAPS THAT GO WITH THAT.

UH, WE DO HAVE SOME PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE ROUTE 3 45 22 TRANSFER, FUTURE TRANSPORTATION, UH, MAP, WHICH, UH, I'VE WORKED ON WITH OUR GIS COORDINATOR.

SO WOULD BE, UH, WOULD APPRECIATE ANY COMMENTS YOU CAN PROVIDE TO US FOR THAT.

UM, AND THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL TO HAVE ANY COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE, I'LL JUST SAY AT THE END OF THE MONTH SO THAT WE CAN INCORPORATE THOSE INTO, UM, THE CHAPTER AND THEN RESUBMIT IT TO YOU IF YOU WANT TO HAVE ONE, ONE EVALUATION FOR THE NEXT MONTH, UM, WITHOUT HAVING TO DO A WORK SESSION.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, THEN WE'LL DO THAT.

UM, ONCE THAT IS COMPLETED, WE DO HAVE TO, UH, WE'RE REQUIRED BY STATE LAW TO SUBMIT THIS TO VDOT.

SO WE'LL ALSO SEND IT TO VDOT CONCURRENT WITH, UH, SUBMITTING TO YOU, UM, FOR THEIR COMMENTS.

UM, MUCH OF WHAT IS, UH, INCLUDED AND ADDRESSED IN THAT IS THE STAR STUDY FOR THE 5 22 3 40 CORRIDOR AND THE SMART SCALE, UM, SUBMISSIONS THAT WE DID FOR THAT STUDY AND FOR THE ROUTE 55 STRASSBURG ROAD INTERSECTION, UH, IMPROVEMENTS.

UM, AGAIN, ONCE WE HEAR FROM THEM, UH, WE WILL THEN BE ABLE TO, UH, PUT THAT OUT FOR COMMUNITY, UH, REVIEW.

UM, WE'VE HAD THE SURVEY GOING ON FOR A NUMBER OF MONTHS AND I BELIEVE WE'VE STOPPED.

IS THAT DONE NOW, ALLISON? NO, IT'S STILL, WE'RE WE'RE STILL GOING ON.

SO WE'LL TAKE THAT.

WE HAVE PLANS FOR THAT.

I WOULD, I WOULD SAY WE'RE GONNA PROBABLY TAKE THAT TILL, AT LEAST THE END OF AUGUST.

AND THEN ONCE WE WORK ON REALLY FINALIZING THE DRAFT, UH, FOR THE PUBLIC AND FOR AND FOR, FOR YOUR FINAL REVIEW, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL STOP TAKING THEM AT THAT TIME.

UM, WE'RE TRYING TO INCORPORATE AND JUST AT LEAST REVIEW 'EM AND MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS CLOSE TO WHAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC IS, IS WANTING TO SEE WARREN COUNTY LOOK LIKE IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS, UH, 20 YEARS.

SO, UM, SO WE'RE ON ON UH, TARGET FOR THAT FOR NOW.

UH, WE WILL BE LOOKING AT A FEW, UH, FUTURE TEXT AMENDMENTS.

UM, MR. LENZ CAN, UH, ADDRESS THAT A LITTLE BIT.

UM, AND FOR THE TIME BEING, UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE, WE ARE WORKING ON THESE THINGS DILIGENTLY, JUST TRYING TO GET, UH, GET THEM COMPLETED PRIOR TO THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR AND HAVE IT ON, UH, HOPEFULLY HAVE IT AT THE BOARD LEVEL POTENTIALLY IN DECEMBER.

I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT, BUT IT'S AMBITIOUS, BUT WE'LL SEE WHAT WE CAN DO.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE THIS EVENING.

UM, OKAY.

THANK YOU.

OBVIOUSLY NOTHING TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY , UNLESS HE SENT YOU SOMETHING WAS UNABLE TO MAKE IT THIS EVENING, BUT, UM, WE FELT THAT WITH, UH, WHITE LOAD, UM, WE COULD HANDLE ANY YEAH.

QUESTIONS THAT SO TOO.

OKAY.

COMMISSION MEMBERS CONCERNS.

WILL YOU GOT ANYTHING? NOTHING FOR ME, SCOTT.

YEAH, MATT, THE, THE CONCERNS OF THE RESIDENTS AND SOME OF THE IDEAS THAT HE HAD ABOUT THE RANGE, IT CAN SOMEONE GET THAT TO CRYSTAL OR SOMEONE FROM STAFF WORKING WITH HER ON SITE LOCATIONS? 'CAUSE I KNOW SHE'S LOOKING, I TELL YOU, I HAVE NOT HEARD FROM HER.

UH, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT, UH, QUESTIONS BE SUBMITTED TO HER AND THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.

I WILL TAKE ANY DIRECTION FROM THEM TO MOVE THINGS FORWARD OR TO REVIEW ANY ADDITIONAL SITES.

UM, AND AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I HAVE HONESTLY NOT HEARD ANYTHING SPECIFIC.

SO I, OKAY, WELL I JUST WONDER BECAUSE THAT BUILDING, WE CAN DO THAT.

I CAN CERTAINLY BE GLAD TO REACH OUT TO THEM TO, TO GET A STATUS.

UM, BUT UM, BECAUSE THEY WERE, SHE AFTERWARDS THE, OF THE, THE SOUND TEST WE MET WITH HER

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SO I THINK THAT BUILDING THAT THEY TALKED TO, I DON'T KNOW IF SHE KNOWS ABOUT THAT.

OUR STAFF PROVIDED THEM WITH FOUR MAPS OF, UH, OF COUNTY OWNED, UH, PROPERTIES AND BUILDINGS.

THAT PARTICULAR ONE WHEN THE EDA SITE WAS NOT ONE OF THOSE.

UM, SO WE CAN WORK ON THAT.

MAYBE WE CAN HAVE A, OUR GIS COORDINATOR DRAFT A MAP FOR THAT AND, YOU KNOW, DO, UH, IT WAS PRIMARILY OF HOW HOW MANY RESIDENTS LIVE WITHIN A MILE.

I MEAN THAT'S, YOU KNOW, BUT IT, IT, IT, BUT INDOORS A LITTLE DIFFERENT .

SO, UM, BUT AGAIN, UH, YOU KNOW, I I'LL, I'LL BE GLAD TO DO THAT AND THEN TAKE ANY DIRECTION FROM UH, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND, UH, YOUR CON THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICER, UH, SHERIFF WILL WORK WITH, UH, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO PROVIDE THAT DIRECTION TO ME.

OKAY.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THAT'S AS FOR ME.

THE ONLY THING I'VE GOT IS WE'RE APPROACHING LABOR DAY, SO HAPPY LABOR DAY, EVERYONE.

I'LL COME AND GONE FOR THE NEXT MEETING.

YOU GOT ANYTHING? UH, YEAH, I'LL ADDRESS A COUPLE THINGS THAT, UH, THE SHOOTING RANGE SEEMS TO BE A PRETTY HOT TOPIC.

UH, I DO KNOW THE CLIENTS VERY WELL.

UH, I HAD ANOTHER PERSON SINGLE ME OUT, UH, LAST TIME, YOU KNOW, BUT I ALSO KNEW AS MANY PEOPLE THAT WERE AGAINST IT AS WERE FOR IT.

OH, I'M NOT AUTOMATICALLY FOR IT ALL.

THERE'S TWO LEGITIMATE COMPLAINTS.

NOISE AND 67 FEET IS TOO CLOSE.

I 100% AGREE, BUT IT IS WHERE I GET FRUSTRATED IS WHEN PEOPLE REACH TOO FAR AND MAKE UP STUFF.

IF IT WAS ANY TRUTH TO SHOOTING LEAD BULLETS IN THE GROUND, POISON IN THE WELL WATER, AS MANY BULLETS THAT'S BEEN SHOT IN THE GROUND SINCE THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR, WE'D ALL BE DEAD IN VIRGINIA.

THAT'S JUST SILLINESS.

OH, FROM A COSTING STANDPOINT.

THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WHY I WAS DEFENSIVE OF IT.

UH, WE CAN GET INTO THAT THING AND HAVE PEOPLE SHOOTING THERE FOR A LITTLE BIT OF NOTHING IN THE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.

ANY, IF YOU GIVE US THE BUILDING FOR AN INDOOR FACILITY, IT'S STILL GONNA BE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO DEVELOP IT.

OH, IT WOULD BE CHEAPER TO BUY THE BAGLEY'S PROPERTY THAN IT WOULD BE TO RETROFIT AN INDOOR BUILDING IF IT'S JUST A SHELL.

ALL IT'S THEIR PROPERTY, THOUGH IT IS NOT FOR SALE, PER SE, UNLESS THEY WANT IT TO.

BUT AS FAR AS A COSTING STANDPOINT, ALL, WHEN I LOOK AT STUFF FROM UP HERE, UH, MY BUSINESS SENSE FROM BEING AN OWNER OPERATOR BUSINESS MAKES ME VERY COST CONSCIOUS.

AND I DO LIKE THINGS TO MOVE FAST.

UH, INITIALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT ON A MAP, YOU'RE PUTTING IT BESIDE THE LANDFILL.

IT LOOKS LIKE A PERFECT LOCATION.

IT ALSO, IF YOU LOOK AT THE OTHER COUNTIES, 90% OF 'EM ARE OUTDOOR FACILITIES 'CAUSE OF THE COST.

UH, WE ARE LOSING MONEY, SENDING PEOPLE TO GET MINIMUM TRAINING INSTEAD OF COMPLETE TRAINING IF WE HAD THAT IN HOUSE.

UH, BUT YEAH, THAT I, YEAH, THERE'S GOTTA BE, UH, THE, THE ONLY ONE THAT I WOULD COMPROMISE ON A LITTLE BIT WOULD BE THE NOISE.

UH, AND I MENTIONED THAT LAST TIME, UH, AND I, THE EXAMPLE I USED WAS THE MEDEVAC HELICOPTER, UH, SHAKES THE WINDOWS IN MY HOUSE.

YOU'LL NEVER GET A COMPLAINT OUT OF NAME 'CAUSE IT'S NECESSARY FOR THE REST OF US.

UH, A LITTLE BIT OF NOISE 20, 30 DAYS A YEAR WITH SOME LIMITATIONS.

OH, I COULD BUY A RULE A LOT NEXT DOOR TO YOU AND I CAN SHOOT SEVEN DAYS A WEEK ALL DAY.

AND THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT.

YOU COULD HAVE NO REGULATION FROM ME AS A PRIVATE SHOOTER.

UM, SO I THINK WITH SOME REGULATION WE COULD WORK AROUND THE NOISE.

I CAN'T WORK AROUND THE 67 FOOT IF, IF THAT HELPS YOU ANY, UNLESS SOMEBODY HAS COME UP WITH SOME OTHER SOLUTION AND I THINK THEY'RE WORKING TOWARDS SOME OTHER OPTIONS.

UH, BUT IF THAT MAKES, I, I DON'T KNOW WHY I GET EVERY TIME SHOOTING RANGE, SOMEBODY OUT THERE SAYS YOU POINTS A FINGER AT ME.

I'M NOT SURE WHY THAT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME, BUT, UH, I DON'T MIND IT AT ALL.

'CAUSE I KNOW EVERYBODY AND I'M GLAD THAT PEOPLE KNOW ME AND CAN IDENTIFY ME FROM THE CROWD.

SO, UH, I APPRECIATE THAT A LITTLE BIT.

SO THAT'S KIND OF A DOUBLE-EDGED SWORD FOR ME.

I DON'T, I DON'T MEAN TO OVERREACT, BUT IF THEY CALL ME OUT, I, I I SHOULD, I FEEL OBLIGATED TO RESPOND, UH, TO THE COMMUNITY IF I, IF I'M NAMED.

SO THANK YOU.

OH, HENCE THE LONG-WINDED SPEECH HERE.

THE ONLY OTHER THING I GOT, UH, I DID GET A REACH OUT FROM THE SCHOOL

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UH, THEY'RE IN A LITTLE BIT OF A CATCH 22, UH, GOING FORWARD.

THEY NEED A NEW SEPTIC SYSTEM.

IT'S GONNA BE VERY EXPENSIVE.

THAT'S WHY I GOT TO REACH OUT.

UH, DDOT IS GOING TO REQUIRE SOME PRETTY HEFTY STUFF.

UH, THEY WERE HOPING TO GET SOME STUDENTS IN THE BUILDING THIS YEAR.

UH, I PUT 'EM TO GREENWAY AND THEY REACHED OUT TO JIM DAVIS.

THE CURRENT SEPTIC AND BUILDING AS IS WOULD BE FINED FOR UP TO 90 STUDENTS AND LIKE SIX STAFF OR COMBINATION THEREOF.

UH, BUT IT, THE SEPTIC SYSTEM WON'T DO 200 STUDENTS.

YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT IS JUST NOT GONNA DO IT ALL.

THEY WOULD LOVE TO MOVE THOSE STUDENTS INTO THAT BUILDING THEIR NEXT STOMACH.

IN OTHER WORDS, BUILDING INSPECTION, CAN'T ISSUE 'EM ANYTHING IN OR COUNTY CAN'T ISSUE ANYTHING.

THEY GOTTA HAVE, UH, POTABLE WATER, SEWAGE DISPOSAL AND VO PERMISSION ALL IS WHAT I HAVE TOLD THEM TO DO.

AND I ACTUALLY TOLD THEM TO REACH BACK OVER TO STAFF.

SO IF YOU GET A CALL, THIS IS KIND OF YOUR HEADS UP, OH, THERE WAS A GOLF CLUB AND CLUBHOUSE THERE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TRAFFIC OR PEOPLE HAD GENERATED ON THE WEEKEND, BUT IT HAD TO HAVE SOME KIND OF RATE IS WHAT I'M HOPING IS TO GET THESE, SOME OF THESE STUDENTS IN A GOOD PLACE.

UH, IS THE EXISTING STRUCTURE IN ROAD SYSTEM GOOD ENOUGH FOR JUST THE 90 STUDENTS? 'CAUSE IT'S GOING BE, I'D SAY TIME ENGINEERS AND VDO GETS DONE, THAT'S GONNA BE SIX MONTHS.