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          OH, OKAY. 
          GOOD EVENING EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO THE SEPTEMBER 10TH, UM, SUPERVISOR'S WORK SESSION. 
          AND WE'VE GOT QUITE A FEW ITEMS TO GO OVER HERE, AND I UNDERSTAND THE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE IS AT NINE O'CLOCK AND EVERYBODY'S HOPING WE'RE OUTTA HERE SO WE CAN GET THAT GOING. 
          SO WE WILL GET ROLLING HERE. 
          UM, FIRST ON 
          [A. Discussion - Shenandoah Farms Sanitary District Advisory Committee Refresher  ]
THE AGENDA IS THE SHADO FARM SANITARY DISTRICT ADVISORY COMMITTEE REFRESHER, MR. BARRY. 
          ALRIGHT, THIS ONE, THIS ONE CAN BE RELATIVELY FAST. 
          UM, JUST, JUST BRINGING TO YOUR ATTENTION. 
          THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IS THE GOVERNOR AND BODY FOR THE SHENANDOAH FARM SANITARY DISTRICT, AND THE COUNTY'S IN CHARGE OF MAINTENANCE OF ROADS, RIGHT-OF-WAYS AND DRAINAGE FACILITIES WITHIN THE SANITARY DISTRICT. 
          THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ADOPTS A BUDGET AND SETS A TAX RATE ANNUALLY AS YOU DO IN THE OTHER DISTRICTS. 
          UM, THE, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ALSO DESIRES INPUT, UM, FROM AN ADVISORY BOARD WITHIN EACH DISTRICT BEFORE THEY ADOPT A, UH, A BUDGET OR A TAX RATE. 
          SO THE COUNTY HAS BEEN SEEKING APPLICATIONS FOR, UM, THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, UM, FOR SHENANDOAH FARM SANITARY DISTRICT. 
          AND ONCE, UM, ONCE YOU HAVE SELECTED A GROUP, UM, THOSE FOLKS, YOU'LL HAVE BACKGROUND CHECKS ON THE APPLICANTS. 
          AND, UM, AND THIS HOPE THAT THE BOARD WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO WOULD BE ABLE TO APPOINT NEW MEMBERS OR IN THE COMING MONTHS TO THIS ADVISORY COMMITTEE. 
          UM, ONE THING THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN YOUR PACKAGE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, UH, REVIEWED IT, BUT THE BYLAWS THAT WERE APPROVED, SOLY APPROVED FOR SHINDO FARMS ARE, ARE IN YOUR PACKAGE. 
          THEY'RE ATTACHED FOR YOUR REFERENCE. 
          AND, UM, WE CAN REVIEW AND DISCUSS THOSE AS NECESSARY. 
          UM, JUST I THINK MOST OF YOU HAVE BEEN THROUGH BRIEF HISTORY BEFORE SANITARY DISTRICT WAS CREATED IN 1986 BY THE CIRCUIT COURT IN WARREN COUNTY. 
          UM, WE BEGAN MAINTENANCE THERE, WE'RE CONTINUING TO DO MAINTENANCE INTERNALLY, AND THAT WAS IN 2011 WHEN THE COUNTY BEGAN TO ACTUALLY, UM, WORK. 
          AND AT THAT TIME, POSF HAD AN AGREEMENT AND PART OF THIS BOARD WAS HERE WHEN, UM, THAT AGREEMENT WAS TERMINATED, THE P-L-S-F-S TO TERMINATE THE AGREEMENT IN 22. 
          AND THEN IN, AND AGAIN IN 2022, OUR, OUR BOARD IN JUNE, UM, DID, DID A, DID APPROVE THE BYLAWS, WHICH ARE IN YOUR PACK. 
          SO, UM, IF, IF AND WHEN YOU, UM, APPOINTED A NEW BOARD, THEN WE WILL, WE'LL JUST BEGIN TO, TO MOVE TOWARD THAT, UM, PATH OF, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UM, INITIAL, WE'LL SET THE INITIAL TERMS, UM, WE'LL REVIEW THE PRIMARY FUNCTIONS OF THE ADVISORY BOARD AND THEIR PRIMARY FUNCTION IS TO PROVIDE INPUT, UM, THAT WE CAN BRING INTO THE, TO THIS BOARDROOM FOR THE ANNUAL BUDGET FOR THE TAX RATE AND THE ROAD SYSTEM. 
          THE, THE CIP, WE HAVEN'T UPDATED THE CIP FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, BUT THOSE FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY WOULD PROVIDE INPUT. 
          UM, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE SET UP THAT MEETING AFTER APPOINTMENT, WE WILL REVIEW, UM, FOIA, UH, COIA WITH, WITH OUR LEGAL TEAM. 
          UM, WE WILL ALSO REVIEW THE BYLAWS AND, UM, WE'LL BEGIN, UM, WITH A COUNTY MEETING AND THEN ELECT OFFICERS AND LET THEM BEGIN TO, UH, PROCEED OVER THE MEETINGS. 
          SO I WANNA LET YOU GUYS ASK ME IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS WITH THE BYLAWS, PROCEDURES AS WE MOVE FORWARD. 
          UM, JUST FOR A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, WHEN YOU SAID THAT, UM, THAT WE SET, WE VOTE TO APPROVE THEIR BUDGET AND THEIR TAX RATES. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , WE DON'T SET THOSE, THEY SET THEIR OWN TAX RATES, CORRECT? WELL, THE YES AND NO. 
          THE OFFICIAL ANSWER IS YOU ARE THE GOVERNOR BODY AND AFTER PUBLIC HEARING YOU SET THE ACTUAL TAX RATE, THIS BOARD WILL BRING YOU, IN ESSENCE, WHAT THEY HAVE DECIDED IS THE EFFECTIVE RATE FOR YOU TO DECIDE. 
          IT'S OKAY, WE VOTE ON IT, BUT WE DON'T AND YOU VOTE ON IT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU KNOW, YOU MAKE THE FINAL DECISION ON THAT TAX RATE. 
          CORRECT? I JUST WANTED, I KNOW I'VE HAD SEVERAL PEOPLE REACH OUT TO ME THINKING THAT WE DETERMINE ALL THAT WHEN ACTUALLY THEIR ADVISORY COMMITTEES FOR EACH OF THESE, UM, SANITARY DISTRICTS BRINGS THEM TO US. 
          AND YEAH, WE CAN RIGHT UP OR DOWN THEM, BUT WE ARE NOT THE ONES THAT ARE ACTUALLY BRINGING THE NUMBERS TO US. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          HISTORICALLY THEY HAVE STARTED OUT WITH A GOAL. 
          UM, USUALLY THEY HAVE STARTED OUT WITH THEIR CURRENT RATE, UM, UNLESS THEY HAVE A SPECIFIC PROJECT OR NEED. 
          UM, ALL OF 'EM ARE DIFFERENT. 
          SOME CAME ALONG JUST FOR REVENUE SHARING PROJECTS. 
          WE HAVE ONE GROUP THAT HAS TRADITIONALLY LOWERED THEIR RATE EACH YEAR BECAUSE THEY'VE TURNED ALL ROADS, BUT ONE OVER TO VDOT, THAT'S CEDARVILLE HEIGHTS. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? 
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I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. 
          SO THIS DISCUSSION HERE IS JUST THAT, LIKE I SEE WE'RE A REFRESHER. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          OKAY. 
          SO AS IT STANDS, THE BYLAWS, THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN, WE APPROVED LAST YEAR REMAINS THE SAME. 
          THERE'S NO MODIFICATIONS AND WE'RE JUST REINSTATING THE, THE ADVISORY BOARD. 
          SO I'M ASSUMING WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING FOR FIVE MEMBERS TO SERVE ON IT. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          IS THAT BASICALLY WHAT IT MIGHT TAKE AWAY? YES, MA'AM. 
          OKAY. 
          IF YOU HAVE, I MEAN, I WOULD RECOMMEND IF YOU, IF YOU SEE ANY CONCERNS IN THE BYLAWS, UM, NOPE. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE SET UP SIMILAR TO ALL THE OTHERS STATUS QUO. 
          NOPE. 
          I'M, I'M FINE, THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND I JUST WANTED TO, TO ADD FOR CLARIFICATION, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ON THIS, BUT, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNERS OF SHENANDOAH FARMS, POSF, THAT IS A SEPARATE ENTITY AND THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, SANITARY DISTRICT. 
          CORRECT? THEY ARE TOTALLY SE SEPARATE FROM THE SANITARY DISTRICT. 
          YES. 
          THEY'RE THEIR OWN DISTINCT ORGANIZATION THEY OWN. 
          AND, AND, AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT PARTICULAR, THAT PARTICULAR AREA, THE SHENANDOAH FARMS, AND SAY LIKE, UH, YOU, YOU HAVE, UH, UH, LAKEFRONT ROYAL, LAKEFRONT ROYAL, IT'S A REQUIREMENT THAT YOU BELONG TO THAT, THAT POA, THAT THAT POA. 
          SO THE POA AND THE SANITARY DISTRICT ARE BASICALLY ONE AND THE SAME, WHEREAS POSF BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT IT WAS SET UP YEARS AGO, IT IS, IT WAS NOT A REQUIREMENT WHEN PEOPLE FIRST STARTED, UH, BUYING PROPERTY THERE TO BE A MEMBER. 
          SO THEREFORE, THE POSF IS SOMETHING SEPARATE RIGHT. 
          FROM THE SHENANDOAH FARMS ITSEPARATE. 
          I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE FROM THE SANITARY DISTRICT THAT, THAT THAT IS CLARIFIED AND THE, AND THAT THE BOARD FOR THE SANITARY DISTRICT IS SEPARATE FROM THE BOARD FOR THE POSF. 
          THAT IS HOW THIS IS DESIGNED. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          HISTORICALLY, THE POSF HAD A CONTRACT AND THAT WAS TERMINATED AS I MENTIONED EARLIER. 
          RIGHT. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, NOT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AND NEXT IS 
          [B. Discussion - Samuel's Public Library Roof Replacement ]
SAMUEL'S PUBLIC LIBRARY ROOF REPLACEMENT. 
          MS. ROONEY, ARE YOU SPEAKING ON THAT ONE? ALRIGHT, SO THE INFORMATION WE SUBMITTED WAS JUST THE, UM, DOCUMENTATION THAT WE HAD ON THE ROOFING AFTER THE BUILDING WAS, UH, COMPLETED BACK IN 2009. 
          SO YOU SHOULD HAVE THE, UM, DOCUMENTS FROM, UH, CARLISLE WAS THE MAIN COMPANY AND THEN THE SUBCONTRACTOR, WHICH WAS, UH, PEACH STATE ROOFING. 
          UM, AND THEN THERE SHOULD BE ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION IS, UM, UH, HISTORY OF THE WORK ORDERS WE'VE PUT IN THROUGH, UH, WHEN WE WERE HAVING LEAKING ISSUES THROUGHOUT THE YEARS. 
          UM, AS WELL AS, AND WE PUT IT IN A POWERPOINT FORM. 
          UM, JUST SOME, UH, PHOTOS OF SOME OF THE ONGOING ISSUES WE'VE HAD. 
          SO BEFORE YOU START, SO THIS IS, UM, JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS, YOU'RE REQUESTING FUNDING FOR ROOF REPAIRS, UM, YEAH. 
          ROOF REPAIRS, REPLACEMENT, WHAT WHATEVER WE CAN DO. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST ONE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO JUST TO SHOW SOME OF THE ISSUES WE WERE HAVING, UM, UH, IN OUR YOUTH SERVICES OFFICE, UH, FOR INSTANCE, THE ONE ON THE LEFT THERE IS ONE OF THE NEWER LEAKS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. 
          THIS WAS THE LAST RAIN, UM, IN AUGUST THAT WE HAD. 
          UH, THAT'S ONE OF THE ONES THAT'S STARTING TO ACTIVELY LEAK ONTO THE FLOOR. 
          UH, AND ACTUALLY IT'S, UM, ACTUALLY I LOOKED AROUND THE BUILDING YESTERDAY THAT'S GOTTEN A LITTLE BIT BIGGER, UH, SINCE THEN. 
          SO, SO, SO, SO WHEN YOU WALK IN THE, THE ENTRANCE MM-HMM. 
          , WHICH WAY DO YOU GO TO GET TO THE YOUTH OFFICE? SO IF YOU'RE WALKING IN THE, UH, BUILDING AND YOU GO ALL THE WAY DOWN, UM, AND THEN GO OVER TO THE LEFT, IT GOES INTO THE YOUTH SERVICES SECTION. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, THEIR OFFICE IS ALL THE WAY IN THE BACK OF THAT AREA. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THEN IT'S ON THE, UH, I GUESS IT'S ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN, UH, ADDITIONALLY IN THE YOUTH SER SERVICES AREA, UM, WE HAVE OUR VAULTED CEILING. 
          UM, YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE A COUPLE OF AREAS ON THE SIDE THAT HAVE STARTED TO, THAT HAVE LEAKED. 
          AND THEN, UM, WE ALSO HAVE A SMALLER AREA WHERE WE HAVE THE, WE CALL THE CHILDREN'S PLAY AREA. 
          UM, THERE ISN'T A SECTION ON THE WALL. 
          WE'RE NOT SURE IF IT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH WATER DAMAGE. 
          IT COULD NOT. 
          IT'S JUST WE'VE NOTED IT JUST IN CASE. 
          AND THEN, UH, WE HAVE, LIKE I SAID, A HISTORY OF, UM, LEAKS OVER TIME. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE SOME OF WHERE WE HAVE PATCHED IN THE PAST. 
          UM, GOING ONTO SOME OTHER ONES. 
          UM, LET'S SEE. 
          THIS IS WHEN YOU'RE GOING INTO THE BUILDING FROM THE PARKING LOT. 
          IF YOU GO TO THE LEFT, THAT'S OUR CA WE CALL THE CAFE AREA. 
          AND, UH, THESE ARE A COUPLE ONES THAT ARE, UM, WHERE WE, WE HAVE SOME OF THE OLDER PHOTOS UP AGAINST THE WALL AS WELL AS OUR DONOR INFORMATION THAT'S, UM, ON THE TOP OF THE CEILING THERE. 
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AND THEN, UH, UH, AREA WE CALL THE PUBLIC KITCHEN, JUST 'CAUSE IT'S IN THE, UH, PUBLIC AREA OF THE, OF THE, UH, LIBRARY AGAIN IN WHERE THE CAFE AREA IS, UH, INSIDE, ABOVE ONE OF THE CABINETRY AREAS. 
          THERE'S, UM, UH, HISTORY OF LEAKAGE THERE AND THEN, UM, NEAR ONE OF THE, UH, LIGHT FIXTURES. 
          AND THEN IF YOU'RE, AGAIN, WALKING DOWN THAT HALLWAY, UM, COMING IN FROM, UH, THE PARKING LOT SIDE, IF YOU START GOING TO THE RIGHT OF THE BUILDING GOING INTO THE LONG, UM, ADULT SIDE, UH, THE ADULT BIOGRAPHY SECTION, THAT IS THE ONE ON THE RIGHT THERE. 
          UH, THAT IS ANOTHER ONE WE HAVE THAT IS ACTIVELY LEAKING ONTO THE FLOOR. 
          WE USUALLY HAVE TO PUT LIKE A LITTLE BUCKET THERE. 
          UH, AND THIS IS USUALLY WHEN IT'S A LOT OF HEAVY RAIN. 
          AND THEN GOING FURTHER DOWN, IF YOU'RE WALKING DOWN THAT AREA, THERE'S SOME MORE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE GOING INTO THE STACKS. 
          AND THEN, UM, KIND OF ALONG WHERE THE, UH, CEILING COMES OUT A LITTLE BIT, THERE'S SOME MORE LEAKS AS THERE AS WELL. 
          AND THEN THE LEFT ONE THERE IS GOING ALL THE WAY DOWN TO, UM, THE LONG BITS OF, UH, WINDOW AFTER YOU PASS OUR MEETING ROOMS, UH, WE HAVE ONE OF THE, THE VENTS THERE IS, HAS STARTED TO GET SOME AS WELL. 
          AND THAT'S SAME ADDITIONAL AREA. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN IF YOU CROSS OVER TO THE OTHER SIDE WHERE OUR ADULT FICTION IS, UM, WE HAVE A COUPLE AREAS THAT HAVE A HIGHER UP CEILING, UH, YOU'LL SEE SOME STAINING IN THAT, THAT AREA AS WELL. 
          OH, THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN MY LAST ONE. 
          THAT SHOULDN'T BE MY LAST ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I DID A WALKTHROUGH AGAIN YESTERDAY. 
          I THINK OUR COUNT IS ABOUT 20 OR SO. 
          UM, AND THEY CAN VARY WHETHER OR NOT WHEN IT RAINS, IF THEY, UH, THE CEILING'S WET. 
          WE ONLY HAVE ABOUT THREE THAT ACTIVELY WILL DRIP ONTO THE FLOOR. 
          UH, THE LAST RAIN THAT WE GOT, OF COURSE WE HAD THE ONE IN THE, OUR YOUTH SERVICES DEPARTMENT AND THEN, UM, A NEW ONE IN THE ADULT NONFICTION THAT WILL LEAK ONTO THE FLOOR. 
          UH, ALL THE OTHER ONES, UM, SOMETIMES THEY'LL BE WET TO THE TOUCH WHEN IT RAINS HEAVILY. 
          UM, SOMETIMES WE, THEY CAN GO FOR A WHILE WHERE THEY'RE NOT ACTIVELY WET, THOUGH IT CAN CHANGE, UM, DEPENDING. 
          BUT YEAH, SO JUST TO BRING THE BOARD UP, UM, DONNA SHACKLEFORD FROM PUBLIC WORKS AND I MET AND WENT THROUGH THE WHOLE BUILDING. 
          SO DONNA, UM, IS AWARE OF THIS. 
          AND THE LIBRARY HAS NOT HISTORICALLY BEEN ON THE BUILDING COMMITTEE, SO THEY WILL NOW BE PART OF THE BUILDING COMMITTEE AS WELL AS THE SCHOOL. 
          UM, MR. HELME, IT WILL BE ON THERE BECAUSE THE FUNDING FOR ALL REPAIRS OF SCHOOLS AND COUNTY BUILDINGS COME FROM THE SAME PLACE. 
          SO WE FELT IT WAS TIME TO ADD THEM ON TO THE BUILDING COMMITTEE SO THAT WE CAN START BEING PROACTIVE ABOUT THINGS LIKE THIS INSTEAD OF BEING CAUGHT OFF GUARD. 
          AND SO THAT WE CAN BUILD INTO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS FOR, UH, SCHOOLS AS WELL AS THE LIBRARY. 
          AND, UM, WE'LL BE TALKING MORE AT THE BUILDING COMMITTEE MEETING ON THURSDAY AND THEN BRING BACK THE INFORMATION. 
          UM, DONNA WAS SUPPOSED TO GET SOME, UM, PEOPLE TO LOOK AT THE ROOF AND GET ESTIMATES AND SO FORTH. 
          SO ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. I? I'M JUST, UH, I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS. 
          UH, SO THE, SO THE ROOF FOR THE, FOR THE LIBRARY, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A REGULAR ROOF. 
          IT'S NOT A FLAT ROOF. 
          CORRECT. 
          UM, YES, WE DO HAVE, UH, A FLAT ROOF. 
          SO THE THE PARKING LOT FRONT PORTION OKAY. 
          IS MEMBRANE. 
          YEAH. 
          IS WHAT IS WHAT IS MEMBRANE, WHICH IS, UM, FLAT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT'S CAUSED PROBLEMS FROM DAY ONE. 
          UM, THE REST OF IT IS SHINGLED. 
          UM, AND THAT HAS REALLY STARTED TO BE A PROBLEM. 
          I'M SAYING THE LAST FIVE QUESTIONS. 
          SO, SO THE BUILDING WAS BUILT WHEN IN, IN 2000, 2009. 
          TWO DOORS IN OH NINE. 
          IN OH NINE. 
          OKAY. 
          THE REASON I'M ASKING IS BECAUSE I, I KNOW THAT, AND LET, LET ME KNOCK ON WOOD HERE, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, OF, I KNOW THAT, UH, T TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL HOUSES TO INCLUDE MINE, THAT THE, THE ROOF IS USUALLY GOOD FOR ABOUT 20 YEARS. 
          AND I WAS JUST WONDERING, GOSH, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S JUST LEAKS ALL OVER THE PLACE IN, IN THE BUILDING. 
          AND I'M, I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS AS TO WHY WE  WHEN WE'VE HAD LEAKS HISTORICALLY, WE PUT IN, UM, A FACILITIES, FACILITY DUTIES WORK. 
          DO 
          [00:15:01]
YOU WANNA COME UP? SO YEAH, EVERYONE CAN HEAR YOU BETTER. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          . 
          IN, IN THE PAST WHEN WE'VE HAD LEAK ISSUES, WE PUT IN THROUGH YOUR, YOUR SOFTWARE PROGRAM AND STAFF WOULD COME OUT AND THEY WOULD CONTACT, I BELIEVE IT'S CARLISLE WAS THE ROOFER BECAUSE IT WAS STILL UNDER CONTRACT OR WARRANTY. 
          IT IS NOT NOW. 
          IT JUST ENDED AND THEY WOULD REPAIR HERE AND THERE, BUT CLEARLY, UM, THERE'S BEEN SOME LEVEL OF FAILURE GOING ON FOR A WHILE. 
          HMM. 
          WHY I I CAN'T TELL YOU WISH I COULD , I I, I, I DON'T WANT TO CAST ANY DISPERSIONS ON THE, ON THE, THE CONTRACTOR OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          I'M JUST RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS AS TO WHY, BUT, UH, BUT IT, IT IS WHAT IT IS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND WHEN WE BUILT THE BUILDING, IT WENT OUT TO BID AND YEAH, THE CONTRACTOR DID ALL THE SUBS AND SO VERY MUCH LIKE ANY OTHER, UM, INSTITUTIONAL BUILDING WOULD BE DONE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          AND I THINK THE MANUFACTURERS OF SHINGLES, THEY, THEY SAY THEY LAST 25 TO 50 YEARS, DEPENDING ON WHICH ONE YOU CHOOSE. 
          I DON'T THINK ANYBODY EVER GETS 25 OR 50 YEARS OUT OF THEM. 
          I, YOU KNOW, DON'T KNOW WHY THAT IS EITHER, BUT, UM, METAL ROOFS YOU CAN GET THAT. 
          YOU MAY HAVE TO PAINT 'EM A FEW TIMES OVER THE PERIOD OF TIME. 
          BUT, UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MS. ROONEY? WELL, UM, I JUST NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH ALL THIS BY LOOKING AT THE DOCUMENTATION. 
          SO YOU'RE REQUESTING THE COUNTY TO GIVE YOU ADDITIONAL BUDGET OF ABOUT 207 K TO REPAIR THE ROOF? UM, UH, WE DON'T HAVE AN ESTIMATE AT THE MOMENT. 
          UM, IF WE DID PUT IN, UM, WE HAD, UH, A CAPITAL BUDGET THAT WE CAME, WE PUT TOGETHER THAT'S, YEAH, THAT'S WHERE I GOT THE NUMBER. 
          YEAH. 
          WE PUT THAT TOGETHER A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. 
          UM, AND IT'S JUST, IT'S A LIVING DOCUMENT. 
          SO THAT WAS JUST OUR BEST GUESS BASED OFF OF THE, UH, MARKET AT THAT TIME. 
          SO WE ARE REQUESTING, YEAH, EITHER MAINTENANCE REPLACEMENT WOULD BE, WOULD BE GREAT. 
          UM, JUST WHAT, WHAT IS, WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO, ? I THINK IT'S MORE OF MAKING US AWARE YEAH. 
          OF THE, OF THE PROBLEM AND GETTING IT ON THE RADAR. 
          SO WE'RE, SO WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT TRYING TO FIND MONEY TO MAKE REPAIRS TO THE ROOF FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR. 
          I THINK WE'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO FIND MONEY TO FIX EVERYTHING WE'VE GOT ISSUES WITH. 
          SO, BUT WE ARE, WE'RE ALL, UH, UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE BRINGING IT TO LIGHT. 
          NOW. 
          IT MIGHT BE ANOTHER YEAR, YEAR, MAYBE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, YEAR, YOU CAN PRESENT IT FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR. 
          BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, I MEAN, WE KNOW WE'RE VERY TIGHT IN THIS FISCAL YEAR AND IT WASN'T BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION DURING, UH, THE BUDGET HEARINGS FOR ANY CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, YOU KNOW, SO I JUST WANNA GET MY ARMS AROUND WHERE WE, WE KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THIS. 
          NO. 
          UM, FIVE INCHES OF RAIN BROUGHT A LOT OF THE SPOTS OUT WORSE THAN THE, SO IT'S JUST LOOKING AT, THAT WAS ONE OF THE GOALS OF THE BUILDING COMMITTEE WAS TO START MAKING A PLAN AND BEING PROACTIVE INSTEAD OF REACTIVE ON THE UPKEEP OF OUR, OUR FACILITY. 
          SO, UM, WELL THAT TAKES ME INTO THE NEXT THING. 
          'CAUSE WE DO HAVE A LEASE AGREEMENT WITH THE LIBRARY. 
          AND UNDER THE LEASE AGREEMENT, THERE'S A SENTENCE IN HERE, AND IT MIGHT BE LEADING UP TO LEGAL, YOU KNOW, INTERPRETATION, BUT IT JUST SAYS MAINTENANCE AND ONGOING REPAIRS TO THE, UM, VAC AID AND ROOF OF THE PREMISES SHALL BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE TENANT. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANT AT THAT TIME, BUT, UM, I'M, I'M, YOU KNOW, SAYING THE, UH, THE STATEMENT THAT, AND AGAIN, THIS WAS BACK IN 2007 OR WHATEVER. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UM, THE COUNTY AND THE BOARD TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THE LEASE AGREEMENT DOES SAY THAT, BUT NOT TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA WALK AWAY FROM IT OR WHATEVER, BUT IT JUST NEEDS TO BE PUT OUT ON THE TABLE. 
          WELL, AND I, I THINK TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION IS JUST TO PUT THINGS ON OUR RADAR, WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE ASKED, UM, OUR STAFF TO DO. 
          AND THIS HAS BEEN ACTUALLY ON THE RADAR FOR US BECAUSE WE DID HAVE THOROUGH ROOF AS ONE OF THE ROOFS THAT NEEDED TO BE REPLACED. 
          UM, AND I THINK WE HAD ORIGINALLY SAID 2023, AND WE'VE CONTINUED TO PUSH OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS OFF. 
          UM, SO THERE ARE A LIST OF ROOFS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, AND THEN OF COURSE, OTHER SYSTEMS THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED. 
          SO IT HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED, UM, AS NEEDING TO BE REPAIRED AND REPLACED. 
          IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO DO IN THE MEANTIME BESIDES, YOU KNOW, POTS AND BUCKETS 
          [00:20:01]
AND, AND HAS THIS RESULTED IN DAMAGE TO ANY OF THE BOOKS? UM, AT THIS TIME, NO. 
          WE'VE BEEN LUCKY FOR THAT. 
          UM, WE USUALLY TRY AND, UH, IF WE NOTICE A LEAK, WE WILL, UM, IDENTIFY IT, MAKE SURE THERE, IF IF IT'S AN AREA WHERE THERE'S BOOKS RELATED TO IT, WE KIND OF MINIMIZE DAMAGE. 
          AND THEN, UM, HISTORICALLY WE'VE PUT IN WORK ORDERS TO SEE WHAT, WHAT CAN BE PATCHED AND WHAT CAN BE DONE TO, UH, MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T GET WORSE IN THE FUTURE. 
          SO YEAH. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I, IF NOT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          [C. Policy Addition - Determination of Worker Suitability for Interacting with Minors  - Kayla Darr, Human  Resources Manager , Jane Meadows, Deputy County Administrator]
UH, POLICY ADDITION, DETERMINATION OF WORKER SUITABILITY FOR INTERACTING WITH MINORS, MS. STAR AND MS. MEADOWS? YES. 
          GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR AND BOARD MEMBERS. 
          SO, AS PART OF THE GRANT CONDITIONS THROUGH THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE SERVICES, WE HAVE DETERMINED THE NEED TO IMPLEMENT ADDITIONAL POLICIES REGARDING PERSONNEL. 
          UM, THIS WAS SPECIFICALLY RAISED BY THE VICTIM WITNESS COORDINATOR AND THE COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. 
          IN ORDER TO OBTAIN THE FUNDING FROM THIS GRANT, WE ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A SPECIFIC POLICY ON THE TERMINATION OF WORKER SUITABILITY FOR INTERACTING WITH MINORS. 
          UM, IN THIS POLICY, IT STATES THAT WARREN COUNTY COMMITS TO MAKE A WRITTEN DETERMINATION OF SUITABILITY BEFORE COVERED INDIVIDUALS MAY INTERACT WITH PARTICIPATING MINORS. 
          IN ORDER TO OBTAIN THE WRITTEN DETERMINATION, THE INDIVIDUAL MUST PASS A VIRGINIA STATE POLICE CRIMINAL HISTORY BACKGROUND CHECK, AND A SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY SEARCH. 
          AND THAT IS DONE BY WARREN COUNTY HR. 
          UM, SO IN YOUR PACKETS YOU HAVE THE FULL GRANT CONDITIONS AND THE DRAFT POLICY. 
          UM, WE HAVE REVIEWED THIS WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND DCJS AND WITHOUT A C ANSWER. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS? SO WHAT IS THIS GRANT REALLY DOING? I MEAN, UH, IS THIS, ARE WE JUST, UM, CHECKING SOME BOXES? IS THAT IN, IN SECONDLY, I SEE THE COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HERE FOR THE VICTIM WITNESS COORDINATOR. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO ARE WE CREATING THIS POLICY TO COMPLY TO THE GRANT THAT WE ALREADY HAVE? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE? SO IT, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS IN THERE. 
          SO THE GRANT ITSELF IS TO FUND THE VICTIM WITNESS COORDINATOR POSITION. 
          UM, IT FUNDS THE SALARY AND THE MAJORITY OF THE BENEFITS, UM, FOR THAT POSITION. 
          AND IT IS A CONTINUAL GRANT. 
          SO WE'RE GOING ON YEAR FOUR, UM, WITH THAT. 
          UM, ONE OF THE SPECIAL CONDITIONS FOR THE GRANT IS THAT WE HAVE THIS POLICY IN PLACE, THEREFORE, UM, THEY'VE WORKED WITH OUR LEGAL TEAM AND, UM, KAYLA, IN ORDER TO CRAFT IT SO THAT IT WORKS FOR THE COUNTY, AFTER ASSESSING IT, WE REALIZED IT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD ACTUALLY APPLY COUNTYWIDE. 
          UM, CURRENTLY WE DO BACKGROUND CHECKS, BUT DOING THE ADDITIONAL SEARCHES, UM, FOR THE SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY, WE WANNA INCORPORATE THAT AS WELL. 
          IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WEREN'T DOING, SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE FELT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO APPLY ACROSS THE BOARD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO, SO THEN EVEN IF, EVEN IF SOMEBODY HAS, UH, EVEN IF THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE INTERFACING WITH ANY, ANY CHILDREN OR ANYTHING, YOU'RE STILL CHECKING THAT FOR THE, FOR COUNTY WIDE, FOR THE, THE POSSIBILITY THAT WELL, THEY COULD, THEY COULD SOMETIME SOMEDAY BE, YOU KNOW, INTERFACING WITH KIDS. 
          I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. 
          CORRECT. 
          BASICALLY, EVERY EMPLOYEE WHO WORKS IN THE COUNTY COULD INTERACT WITH A CHILD AT ANY POINT IN TIME. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          MM-HMM,  VERY TRUE. 
          I MEAN, DOWN TO PEOPLE WORKING AT THE TRANSFER STATION. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S, UM, BETTER SAFE THAN, SORRY. 
          POLICY? YES. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND SO WITH THIS, SORRY, WE'RE ACTUALLY ABOUT A YEAR BEHIND. 
          UM, SO THE 2024 GRANT THAT IS CLOSED OUT AS OF JUNE 30TH, UM, WE WERE, WE SHOULD HAVE HAD THIS IN PLACE FOR THAT ONE. 
          AND THEY GRANTED US AN EXTENSION AND WE'RE LIKE, PLEASE GET THIS IN PLACE SO THAT IT IS IN PLACE FOR 2025, WHICH THEY JUST APPROVED AND AWARDED FUNDING, WHICH YOU ALL VOTED FOR LAST WEEK. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THIS? OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          I HAVE ONE, SORRY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO SOCIAL SERVICES HAS THEIR OWN POLICY BECAUSE IT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE MORE ROBUST, UM, JUST IN WHAT THEY'RE HAVING TO DEAL WITH. 
          SO THEIRS IS REALLY GUIDED BY THE STATE. 
          AND THEN PARKS AND RECREATION ALSO HAS ADDITIONAL BACKGROUND CHECKS AND THAT ARE NOT DONE BY HR, AND THEY GO A LITTLE MORE IN DEPTH. 
          SO THOSE TWO DEPARTMENTS ARE, I WANNA SAY EXCLUDED, UM, BECAUSE THEY HAVE MORE STRINGENT REQUIREMENTS. 
          SORRY, JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT IN. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT DOES RAISE A QUESTION. 
          THEN. 
          WHERE DID WE GET OURS? WHERE DO WE GET OURS? I MEAN, IF THEIRS IS THIS MUCH IN OURS, STILL LESS. 
          RIGHT? SO, UM, I HATE TO SAY IT, IT WILL COME DOWN TO MONEY. 
          WE 
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CAN DO ADDITIONAL, UM, BUT WE FEEL THAT WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED IS ADEQUATE. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, THE ONES FOR PARKS AND RECREATION, I, A LOT OF THE PEOPLE WHO WORK FOR US, THEY'RE MINORS. 
          UM, SO THAT IT'S REALLY GEARED TOWARDS COACHES. 
          UM, SO THAT IT'S ACTUALLY DONE THROUGH A THIRD PARTY. 
          SO WE'RE LOOKING AT WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED TO REALIGN IT OR IF ANYTHING CONSOLIDATE. 
          RIGHT. 
          CONSOLIDATE THE DEPARTMENTS UNDER THE, AS THE COUNTYWIDE POLICY AND NOT HAVING PIPE, YOU KNOW, INDIVIDUAL . 
          BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE COUNTY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHING. 
          SO IF ANYTHING EVER HAPPENED IN DSS OR ANYTHING HAPPENED IN PARKS AND RECS, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY IT'S GONNA BE COMING TO US. 
          MM-HMM. 
           AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ANSWER FOR IT. 
          SO WE SHOULD JUST CONSOLIDATE AND THEY MAKE A ROBUST POLICY. 
          MM-HMM. 
           AS ONE. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          SORRY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO. 
          COOL. 
          OKAY. 
          [D. Enhanced Benefits for Hazardous Duty Positions ]
UM, ENHANCED BENEFITS FOR HAZARDOUS DUTY POSITIONS. 
          OH, I'M GONNA GO THROUGH THIS. 
          THIS IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT IT'LL BE MORE OF A EDUCATIONAL ON VRS. 
          UM, SO WITHIN VRS THERE ARE THREE DIFFERENT PLANS. 
          PLAN ONE IS FOR EMPLOYEES WHO WERE HIRED BASICALLY BEFORE JULY 1ST, 2010. 
          UM, PLAN TWO IS FOR ANYONE WHO WAS JULY 1ST, 2010 TO DECEMBER 31ST, 2013. 
          UM, OR ANY FULL-TIME SWORN LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER OR A FIREFIGHTER EMT, UM, HIRED AFTER THAT. 
          SO ANYONE WE HIRE NEXT WEEK, THEY WOULD DEFAULT TO PLAN TWO. 
          EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE A NEW HIRE. 
          UM, ANY OTHER FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE WOULD FALL INTO THE HYBRID PLAN IF THEY'VE BEEN HIRED AFTER JULY 1ST, 2014. 
          WELL, WHY DOES IT SAY MOST MEMBERS ON THE HYBRID PLAN? OH, BECAUSE IF THEY ARE HIRED AFTER, UM, 2014, BUT THEY'RE LAW ENFORCEMENT OR FIRE AND RESCUE, THEY DEFAULT BACK TO, UM, PLAN TWO. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO WE, WARREN COUNTY IS CLASSIFIED UNDER VRS AS A POLITICAL SUBDIVISION, UM, WITH EMPLOYEES WHO ARE ELIGIBLE FOR ENHANCED HAZARDOUS DUTY COVERAGE. 
          UM, WHICH THAT AFFECTS ONLY PLAN ONE AND TWO. 
          SO WHEN YOU SEE THE BUDGETS, I THINK THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE HYBRID DISABILITY. 
          SO THAT IS A BENEFIT THAT'S ONLY AVAILABLE FOR EMPLOYEES IN THE HYBRID PLANS. 
          SO THE HAZARDOUS DUTY IS ONLY FOR PEOPLE IN PLANS ONE AND PLAN TWO. 
          UM, WITH THE CALCULATION OF A SERVICE BENEFIT, AND THIS IS ALWAYS FUN EDUCATING PEOPLE ON VRS. 
          UM, SO FIRST WHEN YOU GO TO RETIRE, THEY LOOK AT YOUR 36 MONTHS OF HIGHEST COMPENSATION. 
          SO THOSE 36 MONTHS ARE THEN AVERAGED OUT IN ORDER TO DETERMINE WHAT YOUR FINAL COMPENSATION RATE SHOULD BE. 
          AND THEN THEY MULTIPLY THAT BY THE RETIREMENT MULTIPLIER. 
          FOR PLANS ONE AND TWO, THAT MULTIPLIER IS 1.7. 
          UM, FOR THE HAZARDOUS DUTY, THERE IS AN OPTION FOR A HIGHER MULTIPLIER, WHICH WE'LL GET INTO IN JUST A MINUTE. 
          WELL, WHAT DOES, WHAT DOES COVERED EMPLOYEE MEAN? YOU HAVE TO BE IN PLAN ONE OR PLAN TWO. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND THEN IT'S MULTIPLIED BY THE TOTAL YEARS OF SERVICE CREDIT THAT YOU HAVE AT RETIREMENT. 
          SO IF YOU, I'M GONNA SAY SOMEONE HAS TO BE 50 AND THEY HAVE 25 YEARS OF SERVICE, SO IT WOULD BE MULTIPLIED BY THAT 25. 
          AND THAT WOULD THEN CALCULATE OUT THEIR ANNUAL BENEFIT AMOUNT. 
          SO BASICALLY WHAT THEY'RE GETTING FOR THEIR RETIREMENT. 
          SO WITH THE SERVICE MULTIPLIER, UM, IT'S A FACTOR THAT BASICALLY DETERMINES WHAT THEY'RE GONNA GET. 
          UM, SO WITH IT BEING A BASELINE CURRENTLY OF 1.7, ANYONE WHO'S IN PLAN ONE AND PLAN TWO GETS THAT. 
          UM, HOWEVER, THERE'S A CAVEAT IN THERE THAT FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT, UM, AND FIREFIGHTERS, EMTS, THERE'S AN OPTION FOR THE LOCALITY TO ADOPT A HIGHER MULTIPLIER. 
          SO INSTEAD OF HAVING THE 1.7 OPTION, YOU WOULD HAVE 1.85. 
          UM, THE ONE LITTLE NET CAVEAT TO THAT IS THAT THE SHERIFF IS ALWAYS AT 1.85. 
          SO CURRENTLY WE HAVE ONE EMPLOYEE THAT'S AT THE 1.85, AND THEN EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE COUNTY IS 1.7 IF THEY'RE IN PLAN ONE OR PLAN TWO. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT VRS SO FAR? ALL RIGHT. 
          SO WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS ACTUALLY AFFECT OUR MULTIPLIER IN MOVING FROM THE 1.7 WHERE WE'RE CURRENTLY AT TO THE 1.85. 
          SO I DID A LITTLE BIT OF MATH. 
          SO IF YOU LOOK AT SOMEBODY WHO, THEIR AVERAGE FINAL COMPENSATION IS $60,000 UNDER THE 1.7 MULTIPLIER WITH THE 25 YEARS OF SERVICE, THEY WOULD END UP GETTING $25,500 
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ANNUALLY WITH THEIR RETIREMENT. 
          AND THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE THE HAZARDOUS DUTY SUPPLEMENT THAT IS SPECIFIC FOR, UM, LAW ENFORCEMENT AND, UM, FIRE AND EMS. UM, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FACTOR THAT WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER WITH THE 1.85 MULTIPLIER, THE, UM, BASICALLY THE PAYOUT WOULD END UP BEING 27,750 ANNUALLY. 
          SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT, UM, $2,200 DIFFERENCE AND CHANGE BETWEEN THE TWO DIFFERENT MULTIPLIERS. 
          BUT WHEN YOU SAY $2,200, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT $2,200 A YEAR. 
          A YEAR, OKAY. 
          YES. 
          SO THE FINANCIAL IMPACT TO THE COUNTY. 
          SO IF WE DO CHANGE THE MULTIPLIER, AND THIS IS KIND OF A, A BUDGET, OOPS, THAT TURNED OUT TO GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY. 
          SO THE STATE CHANGED OUR EMPLOYER CONTRIBUTION IN JUNE AND WE WEREN'T MADE AWARE OF IT UNTIL JULY. 
          SO WE BUDGETED EVERYTHING OFF OF THE 11.66 EMPLOYER CONTRIBUTION RATE BASED OFF OF THE PAYOUTS AND RETIREMENTS. 
          UM, THEY LOOKED BACK AT IT AND IT WAS REASSESSED, WHICH THEY DO EVERY TWO YEARS, AND IT ACTUALLY LOWERED TO 10.48. 
          SO WE'RE NOT USING WHAT WE THOUGHT WE HAD BUDGETED. 
          SO UNDER THE 1.85 MULTIPLIER, IT WOULD THEN INCREASE FROM THE 10.48 TO 11.58. 
          UM, SO WITH THAT, WE WOULD STILL BE UNDER THE ORIGINALLY BUDGETED 11.66%. 
          SO WE WOULD STILL HAVE A SURPLUS IN OUR RETIREMENT BUDGET. 
          SO, SO WHEN YOU SAY 0.8% SURPLUS MM-HMM. 
          , WHAT DOES THAT EQUATE TO AS FAR AS THE, THE ACTUAL BUDGET NUMBERS? I WILL CALCULATE IT AND HAVE IT FOR NEXT, OR I CAN GIVE IT TO YOU TOMORROW, BUT THAT EXACT DOLLAR AMOUNT, I'D HAVE TO FACTOR IN OUR MERIT INCREASES AND EVERYTHING TO GIVE YOU THE EXACT DOLLAR AMOUNT. 
          OKAY, BUT IS THAT SOMEWHERE IN LIKE, IN THE, A COUPLE THOUSAND DOLLARS, NOT HUGE DOLLARS? 'CAUSE IT, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'RE NOT GONNA PAY FOR A ROOF WITH IT . 
          SO I JUST TO, BECAUSE I WAS LISTENING AND READING MM-HMM. 
          , WHICH I SHOULD NEVER DO 'CAUSE I MISSED PART OF WHAT YOU SAY WHEN I'M DOING THAT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , WE WOULD BE RAISING, CONSIDER RAISING UP TO 1.85 FOR ALL EMPLOYEES. 
          NOT JUST HAZARDOUS OR JUST, SO WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO IT FOR ANYONE OUTSIDE OF HAZARDOUS DUTY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO EVERYONE ELSE WOULD STATE, SO EVERYONE IN PLAN ONE AND PLAN TWO REMAINS AT THE 1.7. 
          OKAY. 
          ONLY HAZARD HAZARDOUS DUTY HAS THAT OPTION. 
          THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT I HEARD, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I HEARD THAT CORRECTLY. 
          MM-HMM, . 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE RATES? SO LOOKING AT ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORING LOCALITIES, THEY ARE ALL AT 1.85. 
          WE ARE THE ONLY LOCALITY THAT IS STILL AT 1.7. 
          THEREFORE ANYONE WHO GOES FROM ONE OF THOSE LOCALITIES TO HERE IS ACTUALLY TAKING A HIT ON THEIR RETIREMENT. 
          UM, SO WE HAVE HAD A CHALLENGE OF COURSE RECRUITING PEOPLE. 
          UM, AND THIS DOES TIE INTO IT, I THINK MORE AND MORE PEOPLE ARE BECOMING AWARE OF RETIREMENT BEING SOMETHING THAT THEY NEED TO CONSIDER IN THEIR TOTAL COMPENSATION. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE AT LEAST ON THE SAME PAGE RATHER THAN BEHIND THE PACK. 
          UM, THIS ACTUALLY TIES INTO, I APPRECIATE YOUR STAND ON TOP OF THIS. 
          IT TIES INTO YOUR GOALS. 
          SO  WE'LL TALK ABOUT KIND OF HOW, UM, SO WITH GOAL NUMBER TWO FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY NEEDS ASSESSMENT, UM, ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT HAS COME UP IS HIRING AND RETENTION OF QUALIFIED PUBLIC SAFETY EMPLOYEES. 
          UM, BY HAVING THE LOWER MULTIPLIER, WE BECOME A TRAINING GROUND. 
          PEOPLE ARE GONNA COME HERE, GET THE EXPERIENCE THEY NEED, AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA GO TO A LOCALITY THAT ACTUALLY PAYS THEM MORE AND HAS BETTER BENEFITS. 
          SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE REALLY STRENGTHENING IN ORDER TO RETAIN OUR STAFF AND TO ATTRACT EXPERIENCED EMPLOYEES. 
          UM, WHICH ALSO TIES INTO GOAL NUMBER 13, WHICH IS A COMPETITIVE PAY STRATEGY. 
          UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT BECOMING THAT TRAINING GROUND. 
          'CAUSE IT OPENS YOU UP TO LIABILITY AND CHALLENGES WITH NOT HAVING TRAINED EMPLOYEES. 
          UM, WE HAVE 124 OF OUR CURRENT EMPLOYEES WHO WOULD FALL UNDER THIS. 
          SO IT'S SIGNIFICANT, ESPECIALLY IN PUBLIC SAFETY. 
          IT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE SOMEONE'S LIFE QUESTION. 
          I KNOW I'VE, I'VE ASKED YOU THIS BEFORE AND THEN I HAVE YOUR PLATE IS FULL AND I'VE FORGOTTEN TO COME BACK AND ASK YOU. 
          BUT SINCE THIS LINES UP WITH THAT, UM, THE GAP YEARS 
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BETWEEN RETIREMENT, UM, 25 YEARS OF SERVICE, IF YOU START, EVEN IF YOU START AT 25, YOU'RE 50 YEARS OLD, YOU DON'T HIT MEDICARE UNTIL 65 OR WHATEVER, UM, YOU DECIDE TO TAKE IT EARLY. 
          AND I KNOW INSURANCE BECOMES A PROBLEM. 
          AND I HAD ASKED YOU BEFORE TO LOOK AT HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST TO F TO ENSURE DURING THAT GAP YEAR AS A RETENTION TOOL. 
          'CAUSE I DON'T THINK ANY OTHER LOCALITIES ARE DOING THAT. 
          THE GAP YEARS ARE JUST THAT A GAP AND THEY'RE STARTING TO LOOK AT IT. 
          UM, CURRENTLY IT WOULD BE AT LEAST $13,000 PER EMPLOYEE FOR THE INDIVIDUAL. 
          UM, THE CHALLENGING PART IS THAT IS NOT A NUMBER THAT WE CAN REALLY BUDGET ON BECAUSE IT FLUCTUATES. 
          YEP. 
          UM, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT WAYS TO MAKE IT A MORE STATIC NUMBER. 
          SO IF WE SAY, IF YOU RETIRE BASED OFF OF THE NUMBER OF YEARS OF SERVICE, YOU'LL GET CREDIT. 
          SO VRS SORT OF HAS THAT BUILT IN FOR STATE EMPLOYEES. 
          UM, I THINK IT'S $48 PER YEAR THAT THEY CONTRIBUTE. 
          SO NOT A LOT. 
          UM, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT. 
          UM, IT'S A HUGE BENEFIT. 
          I HATE TO SAY IT, BUT A LOT OF THE, UM, EMPLOYEES WHO ARE HERE AND WHO HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME, IT'S BECAUSE OF THE INSURANCE. 
          'CAUSE THEY'RE GRANDFATHERED IN. 
          UM, WE CHANGED IT IN 2014, I WAS GONNA SAY BACK IN 14. 
          SO WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO THAT INSURANCE IS HUGE. 
          EVERYONE KNOWS THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO WORK BEYOND THAT 50 MARK, BUT HAVING YOUR INSURANCE PAID FOR IS MASSIVE. 
          IT IS, IT IS SIGNIFICANT. 
          AND, AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I'M AT THE AGE NOW WHERE I THINK ABOUT THAT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UM, WHEN I FIRST GOT OUTTA SCHOOL AND GOT OUTTA NURSING SCHOOL, NOT SO MUCH. 
          I LOOKED AT HOW MUCH I WAS MAKING A YEAR AND, UM, GLAD MY HUSBAND WAS THE MAIN, UH, BREADWINNER IN THE FAMILY. 
          AND SO I DI I DIDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT SO MUCH AND, UM, COULD CONSIDER MY OPTIONS ON WHERE I WANTED TO BE EMPLOYED AND, AND THAT KIND OF THING. 
          AND, BUT I DO SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE, I, I KIND OF LIKE TO BREAK DOWN, OKAY, HOW MUCH DOES IT COST US TO TRAIN SOMEONE AND THEN LOSE THEM TO ANOTHER AREA AND WEIGH THAT AGAINST THAT GAP YEAR COVERING THAT. 
          AND ESPECIALLY WHEN YEAH, THEY MIGHT MAKE A FEW THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR MORE GOING SOMEWHERE OUT OF WARREN COUNTY, BUT IN THE END THEY'RE GONNA LOSE IT IN THOSE GAP YEARS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND THAT WOULD BE AT LEAST SOMETHING TO, TO BRING PEOPLE IN AND TO KEEP PEOPLE HERE. 
          AND, UM, I, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO LOOK AT THAT AND SEE AS PART OF THIS. 
          UM, AND WE WOULD, WE WOULD BE AHEAD OF THE GAME AND NEED TO GET AHEAD OF THAT GAME IF THE OTHER LOCALITIES ARE THINKING ABOUT THAT AS WELL. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THAT'S BEEN SOMETHING THAT PROBABLY THE LAST SIX MONTHS AS WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT WHAT DIFFERENT LOCALITIES ARE DOING, UM, IT'S REALLY INTERESTING, THE DIFFERENT CREATIVE THINGS THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          IT'S LIKE, OKAY, HOW DO WE IMPLEMENT SOMETHING LIKE THAT? UM, AND IT COMES DOWN TO MONEY. 
          SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S REALLY SOMETHING THAT IS THOUGHT THROUGH AND HOW CAN WE DO IT IN A LONG SUSTAINABLE WAY SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE THESE PEOPLE GRANDFATHERED INTO THIS AND THESE PEOPLE GRANDFATHERED INTO THAT. 
          UM, AND SOMETHING THAT REALLY BENEFITS OUR TEAM LONG-TERM. 
          WELL, WE'VE GOT GOOD PEOPLE WORKING FOR US AND WE WANNA KEEP 'EM. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND, UM, I'D MUCH RATHER TRAIN THEM, GIVE THEM THE WITHIN REASON, THE BENEFITS WE CAN TO KEEP THEM HERE THAN TRAIN THEM JUST TO GO WHERE SOMEBODY ELSE CAN GIVE THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE. 
          IT'S, IT'S DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. 
          YES. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING THE MULTIPLIER? SO, SO WHEN YOU SHOWED THAT IT WAS THE 1.85% FOR ALL THE OTHER LOCALITIES, THAT MEANT THAT FOR THE, FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY FOLKS CORRECT. 
          THAT THEY GOT THAT AND WE'RE STILL AT 1.7, CORRECT? WELL, I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA FOR, FOR US TO, TO, TO DO THAT. 
          YES. 
          I BELIEVE OUR STAFF DESERVES IT. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND, AND I WAS JUST THINKING, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, WITH THE PUBLIC SAFETY FOLKS, YOU KNOW, IF, UH, IF YOU WORK FOR THE COUNTY AND SAY LIKE YOU'RE, UH, UH, A GROUNDS GUY AND A FIRE STARTS, WELL, YOU RUN THE OTHER WAY. 
          BUT THE, THE FIREMEN AND THE, UH, THE, THE FIREFIGHTERS AND THE, AND THE THE, UH, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, THEY DON'T HAVE THAT CHOICE. 
          THEY'VE GOTTA GO TO THAT FIRE. 
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YEAH. 
          THEY RUN TO IT. 
          WE RUN AWAY. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, I, LIKE I SAID, WE, WE ARE, IT'S ANOTHER WAY OF SHOWING WE APPRECIATE HIM. 
          YOU CAN SAY, I APPRECIATE YOU ALL DAY LONG, BUT IF WE DON'T APPRECIATE 'EM ENOUGH TO, YOU KNOW, TO TRY TO DO OUR BEST WITH THEIR BENEFITS, THEN IT'S JUST EMPTY WORDS AND IT CONVEYS TO THEIR FAMILIES AS WELL. 
          UM, IT'S A WAY TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR FAMILIES WHEN THEY NO LONGER WORK FOR THE COUNTY AND THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE TAKEN CARE OF. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, I, I JUST LIKE TO SAY I, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR ANYBODY THAT'S WATCHING, UM, THE PUBLIC TO, TO RECOGNIZE WHAT THIS IS AND, AND, UH, MANY PROB PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC PARTY DON'T EVEN HAVE THE IDEA. 
          BUT IT'S A VERY COMMON THING. 
          I MEAN, PEOPLE THAT SERVE IN, IN COMBAT POSITIONS IN THE MILITARY, UM, GET THIS KIND OF PAY. 
          AND, UH, I THINK, I THINK IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO HIGHLIGHT IT. 
          THEY DO A DANGEROUS JOB. 
          WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR THE, FOR THEM, YOU KNOW, FACING THAT EVERY DAY. 
          AND, UH, AND IT'S REALLY WITHOUT QUESTION AT THE VERY LEAST THAT WE JUST ARE KEEPING UP WITH EVERYONE AROUND US. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          THAT'S THE MINIMUM. 
          SO YEP. 
          ALL FOR IT. 
          WE, WE SEEM TO GET FOCUSED ON FACILITIES. 
          THE FACILITIES ONLY AS GOOD AS THE PEOPLE IN IT, SO WE NEED TO FOCUS MORE ON THE PEOPLE IN IT AND THEN MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE NICE FACILITIES. 
          BUT, UM, BUT TAKE CARE OF OUR PEOPLE. 
          SO. 
          ALRIGHTY. 
          NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION ON THAT? UH, RENAME RE 
          [E. Discussion - New Road Naming Request for properties accessed off of Buck Mountain Road  ]
NEW ROAD NAMING REQUESTS FOR PROPERTIES ASSESSED OFF OF BUCK MOUNTAIN ROAD. 
          MR. WENDLING, ARE YOU TAKING THAT? OKAY. 
          UH, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I'M JUST WONDERING IF, IF LAND USE COULD BE QUALIFIED AS HAZARDOUS DUTY, ANY CHANCE I MIGHT BE QUALIFIED FOR THE 1.5 SERVICE? SOMETIMES OUR MEETINGS, ALL THE, THESE GETS KIND OF HAZARDOUS. 
          JUST, JUST, JUST, JUST WONDERING. 
          UH, OKAY. 
          THAT'S ONLY IF YOU'RE DEALING WITH ANGRY CONSTITUENTS. 
          , WHEN DO WE HAVE ANGRY CONSTITUENTS AT OUR PLANNING  AND BOARD ANYWAY, UH, . 
          OKAY. 
          UH, JUST WANNA START WITH, UH, THIS, UM, REQUEST TO BRING THIS FORWARD. 
          UM, STATE LEGISLATION AUTHORIZES THE COUNTY TO, UH, NAME STREETS, ROADS, AND ALLEYS IN CODE SECTION ONE, UH, 15.2 DASH TWO, UH, 2019 IN THE STATE CODE. 
          UH, SO WE'VE BEEN AUTHORIZED TO DO THAT AND THE COUNTY IS ACTUALLY COUPLE CODES REGARDING THE E 9 1 1, UH, SYSTEM. 
          ENHANCED 9 1 1 IS AN IMPROVED EMERGENCY RESPONSE SYSTEM, WHICH ALLOWS FOR AUTOMATIC LOCATOR IDENTIFICATION AND AN AUTOMATIC NUMBER IDENTIFICATION OF EACH CALL COMING INTO A PRIMARY SAFETY ANSWERING POINT, UH, ALSO KNOWN AS A PSAP. 
          UH, PURPOSE OF THE CHAPTER, UH, FOR NUMBERING OF BUILDINGS IS TO PROVIDE A UNIFORM COUNTYWIDE SYSTEM WITH RESPECT TO ADDRESSING OF PROPERTY AND POSTING OF BUILDING NUMBERS. 
          PROPER ADDRESSING OF COUNTY PROPERTY AND POSTING OF BUILDING NUMBERS ARE REQUIREMENT FOR ESTABLISHMENT OF THE COUNTY'S ENHANCED 9 1 1 SYSTEM. 
          THE E 9 1 1 SYSTEM IS WE'LL PROVIDE A MECHANISM FOR MORE TIMELY RESPONSE FOR FIRE AND RESCUE UNITS AND LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES PROVIDE A MORE EFFICIENT SYSTEM FOR DEVELOPING, DELIVERING OF MAIL BY POST OFFICE AND PROVIDE NEEDED ASSISTANCE TO COUNTY BUSINESSES AND THE GENERAL PUBLIC IN LOCATING ADDRESSES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. 
          THAT'S OUR PURPOSES STATED IN CODE SECTION 80 DASH ONE. 
          UM, UH, IT FURTHER STATES IN 80 DASH SEVEN THERE ARE VIOLATIONS AND PENALTIES. 
          IF YOU DO NOT, UH, HAVE A PROPERTY ADEQUATELY POSTED, IT IS A MISDEMEANOR IN ACCORDANCE WITH CHAPTER ONE DASH 11 OF THE WARREN COUNTY CODE. 
          UM, RECENTLY WE HAD A CITIZEN WHO HAPPENS TO CURRENTLY LIVE ON THE SECOND PROPERTY OF, UH, ON THE MAP THERE, UH, AT 2 22 35, UH, BUCK MOUNTAIN ROAD. 
          AND, UM, HE HAD SOME CONCERNS AS TO WHY THE COUNTY WAS SUBMITTING A REQUEST FOR A ROAD NAME CHANGE FOR THE ROAD. 
          UM, MR. GRIFFITH, OUR, UH, GIS COORDINATOR EXPLAINED TO HIM THAT, UH, AT THE TIME A BUILDING PERMIT IS RECEIVED 
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FOR THE COUNTY AND, UH, FOR A THIRD LOT ON A LANE. 
          UM, AND THE FOOTER IS PLACED ON THE PROPERTY THAT THAT IS WHEN WE ADDRESS THE PROPERTY. 
          AND PRIOR TO THAT, HE USUALLY LIKES TO GET THE, THE NAME CHANGED FOR THE, THE ROAD, UM, CODE SECTION 1 42 DASH SIX OF COUNTY CODE STATES PLATTED, PRIVATE ROAD NAMES OR OTHER RIGHT OF WAY ACCESS ROADS SERVING THREE OR MORE RESIDENCES WILL BE REVIEWED BY THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR'S OFFICE ON A SYSTEM, SYSTEMATIC GEOGRAPHIC BASIS FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THIS CHAPTER. 
          OBVIOUSLY OUR OFFICE HAS BEEN DELEGATED TO DO THAT THROUGH THE GIS SYSTEM. 
          UM, MR. GRIFFITH, UH, EXPLAINED THAT TO HIM. 
          UH, THERE WAS A, AN ACTIVE PERMIT PULLED IN MARCH OF TWO, UH, 2022. 
          UH, AND AT THE TIME OUR GIS COORDINATOR ADDRESSED THIS OFF OF BUCK MOUNTAIN ROAD. 
          UM, FOR WHAT REASONS? I'M NOT SURE. 
          SHE WAS VERY ACTIVELY INVOLVED WITH THE TRANSITION TO THE NG 9 1 1 AND, UM, SO SHE MAY NOT HAVE CAUGHT THAT IT WAS A THIRD, UH, ADDRESS. 
          UM, BUT THROUGH QA, UH, QUALITY ASSURANCE AND GOING THROUGH THE MAPS AND WHATNOT, UH, MR. GRIFFITH CAUGHT THIS AND DECIDED WE NEED TO GET THIS, UH, ADDRESS, UH, HAVE IT CORRECT IN THE GIS UM, AND THROUGH OUR PROCESS AND PROCEDURES, HE PROVIDED THE PROPERTY OWNER WITH OUR, UH, FORM FOR REQUESTING A ROAD NAME CHANGE. 
          AND USUALLY WE GET A COUPLE NAMES, YOU KNOW, TWO OR THREE NAMES AND, UH, SO OKAY. 
          WHAT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL PICK ONE THAT IS ADEQUATE AND MEETS THE CODE REQUIREMENTS IS NOT REPETITIVE TO ANOTHER ROAD NAME OR OBVIOUSLY YOU DON'T WANT ANYTHING THAT WOULD OFFEND ANY ANYBODY. 
          UM, THIS PROPERTY OWNER SUBMITTED EIGHT OF THEM. 
          UH, A NUMBER OF THEM WERE WORDS THAT, AND THE WAY HE EXPLAINED IT TO ME WERE, WERE GREEK WORDS, I GUESS HE HAS A GREEK HERITAGE AND, UH, HE WAS HOPING THAT HE COULD USE SOME OF THESE GREEK WORDS AS A POSSIBLE NAME, BUT HE ALSO, UH, SELECTED AS HIS FIRST CHOICE JOCKEY HOLLOW LANE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UH, MR. GRIFFITH, UH, AGREED WITH THAT. 
          THAT'D BE A GOOD ROAD NAME. 
          WE DO NOT HAVE THAT AS A REPLICATED NAME IN THE COUNTY. 
          UH, AND SO, UH, HE PROCEEDED TO START THE PROCESS OF, UH, SUBMITTING TO YOU THE BOARD, UH, REQUEST FOR THE ROAD NAME CHANGE. 
          UH, AND THAT IS ON THE AGENDA FOR I BELIEVE NEXT MEETING. 
          UH, SO THE PROPERTY OWNER AGAIN HAD SOME CONCERNS. 
          HE WAS, YOU KNOW, JUST BASICALLY ASKING WHY. 
          AND FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, IT'S FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. 
          UM, IT'S IN THE CODE, IT'S REQUIRED STATE AUTHORIZES US TO DO IT. 
          UM, AND SO CONSEQUENTLY THE MAP THAT WE HAVE HERE ARE THE PROPOSED, UH, ADDRESSES THAT IT WILL IMPACT THE PROPERTY THAT IS JUST BEYOND, UH, THE, THE ONE OWNER, UH, AT 2235. 
          IT'S, UH, A PROPERTY THAT WAS ISSUED A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A GUEST HOUSE. 
          AND, UM, IT'S PRETTY LARGE PROPERTY. 
          THEY ENDED UP GETTING, UH, UH, AN EXEMPT SUBDIVISION APPROVED, UM, MET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS AND, UH, AND THEN CONSEQUENTLY THEY FORECLOSED ON THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, THE BUILDING PERMIT HAS SINCE EXPIRED, BUT THE FOOTER AND FOUNDATION IS THERE. 
          THE BANK OWNS IT. 
          IT CAN BE, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY SOLD AND IT RE PERMITTED FOR ANOTHER SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING. 
          SO, UH, BECAUSE OF THAT, AND BECAUSE THERE ARE, THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL LOT, LARGER LOT THAT POTENTIALLY CAN BE SUBDIVIDED INTO 20 ACRE EXEMPT LOTS, UH, MR. GRIFFITH DECIDED JUST TO GO AHEAD, GO FORWARD AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND, UH, REQUEST THIS ROAD NAME CHANGE. 
          UM, AND THAT'S REALLY ABOUT IT. 
          UH, ONCE THE, THE NAME IS CHANGED, UH, LETTERS WILL GO OUT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, NOTIFYING THEM OF THEIR NEW ADDRESSES. 
          AND, UH, YES, IT IS AN INCONVENIENCE, BUT, UM, THIS HAPPENS ALL THE TIME, UH, WITH NEW DEVELOPMENT, NEW HOUSES BEING BUILT ON PRIVATE ROADS. 
          UM, WE, WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF THESE HAPPEN, OR I MEAN, EVERY YEAR THEY, IT HAPPENS. 
          SO, UH, SO, SO THEN, SO THEN BASICALLY YOU'RE SAYING, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, IS THAT SOMEBODY COMES ALONG AND THEY, THEY DECIDED THAT THEY AND THEIR BUDDY WANT TO BUILD 
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HOUSES RIGHT ACROSS FROM EACH OTHER. 
          AND THERE'S A COUNTY ROAD THAT GOES, SAY LIKE EAST AND WEST AND THEY PUT A PRIVATE ROAD THAT GOES NORTH AND SOUTH. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEY PUT TWO, TWO HOUSES ON THERE. 
          THAT ONE'S EXEMPT. 
          THEY CAN NAME THAT WHATEVER THEY WANT, BUT AS SOON AS THEY PUT A THIRD HOUSE ON THERE, THAT'S WHEN THE COUNTY STEPS IN AND SAYS, OKAY, WE'VE GOTTA, WE'VE GOTTA PUT THIS, WE GOT TO NAME THIS ACCORDINGLY. 
          RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AM I CORRECT ON THAT? WELL, IT WOULD, IT WOULD INITIALLY BE NAMED OFF THE, THE STATE ROAD THAT IT FOLLOWED, NOT THE PRIVATE ROAD. 
          THE, IT WOULD, WHAT WOULD BE SERVING THOSE TWO GENTLEMEN ARE DRIVEWAYS, UNNAMED DRIVEWAYS, ESSENTIALLY. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHAT THEY, THEIR ADDRESS, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE HAD HERE. 
          THESE TWO PROPERTIES HERE WERE ADDRESSED OFF OF BUCK MOUNTAIN ROAD. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, AND IT WAS BASICALLY AN EASEMENT THAT, THAT SERVED THEIR PROPERTIES. 
          OKAY. 
          THERE'S AN EASEMENT THAT SERVES THESE OTHER TWO PROPERTIES. 
          UM, AND THAT'S ALL RECORDED PLATTED AND EVERYTHING. 
          SO ONCE THAT THIRD BUILDING PERMIT WAS ISSUED, UM, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE ROAD NAME SHOULD HAVE COME ABOUT THEN IT SHOULD HAVE COME TO YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, BUT WE'VE CAUGHT IT AND WE'RE JUST ABIDING BY WHAT THE RULES OF E 9 1 1 AND ADDRESSING AND, AND NAMING OF ROADS ARE. 
          DID, DID HE GIVE A REASON AS TO WHY JOCKEY HOLLOW LANE? I MEAN, WAS HE A BIG HORSE PERSON OR WHAT, YOU KNOW, OR OR DID HE JUST SAY THAT IS I DIDN'T TALK TO HIM ABOUT THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          IT, IT, IT, IT, IT KIND OF FEELS LIKE ONE OF THOSE LITTLE LANES THAT YOU MIGHT CALL A HOLLOW LANE. 
          BUT, UH, THE JOCKEY PART, I'M NOT SURE I I'LL HAVE TO ASK HIM ABOUT THAT. 
          AND HE, HE MAY COME TO SPEAK AT THE, UH, PUBLIC PRESENTATION AT THE, THE NAMING, UH, ROAD NAMING MEETING. 
          THIS WILL BE ONE AS A CONSENT ITEM AS THEY, SO, SO THEN ALWAYS ARE. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT HOW YOU SAID THAT THE, UH, THAT THE ROAD SAY LIKE THE, THE PUBLIC ROAD THAT RUNS, UH, EAST AND WEST AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE PRIVATE ROAD THAT RUNS NORTH AND SOUTH, THAT PRIVATE ROAD, IF THERE'S ONLY TWO HOUSES ON THERE THAT'S CONSIDERED A, A DRIVEWAY, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A DRIVEWAY THAT SERVES THE TWO OF THEM. 
          OKAY. 
          NOW, ALRIGHT. 
          UH, AT TIMES, UH, WHEN A SUBDIVISION IS APPROVED, AND IF THERE IS A THIRD LINE ON THAT SUBDIVISION, SOMETIMES YOU HAVE A FAMILY SUBDIVISION THAT'S APPROVED THAT DOESN'T HAVE ACCESS TO A STATE ROAD, THE GIS COORDINATOR MAY GIVE THE PROPERTY OWNERS AN OPTION AT THAT TIME TO NAME THAT QUOTE DRIVEWAY INTO A PRIVATE ROAD. 
          OKAY. 
          NOW, THESE ARE PRIVATE ROADS THAT THEY ARE NOT STATE MAINTAINED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, UH, UNLESS IT'S IN A SUBDIVISION WHERE THEY ACTUALLY ARE BUILDING THEM TO STATE STANDARDS AND THEN ADOPTING THEM INTO THE STATE SYSTEM. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, SO THIS IS A PRIVATE ROAD, FORMERLY A DRIVEWAY FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, IT'S A PRIVATE ROAD, NOT A RIGHT OF WAY, OR IS IT A RIGHT OF WAY? WELL, IT'S, IT'S AN, AN EASEMENT THROUGH THE PROPERTY AND IT WILL BE A PRIVATE ROAD SLASH EASEMENT, UH, A NAME PRIVATE ROAD. 
          MM-HMM. 
           ONCE, ONCE THAT'S DONE. 
          SO WHAT IS, HOW IS THIS ROAD BEING USED RIGHT NOW? UH, IT IS, IT'S ACCESS TO THE PROPERTIES. 
          OKAY. 
          TO, UH, THE TWO PROPERTY OWNERS THAT LIVE THERE FULL TIME. 
          AND THEN ONCE THE THIRD PROPERTY IS, UH, SOLD BY THE BANK AND, YOU KNOW, A BUILDING PERMIT FOR THE EXISTING DWELLING THAT HAS BEEN STARTED IS REISSUED. 
          UH, THERE WILL BE NO NEED TO RE-ADDRESS THAT IF THEY USE THE SAME FOOTPRINT IN THE SAME BUILDING. 
          SO THIS PRIVATE EASEMENT DRIVEWAY? MM-HMM. 
           IS, DOES IT HAVE A NAME ALREADY? NO, NO. 
          SO THESE, THESE HOUSES ARE CURRENTLY, SO WHERE IS SIGNING A NAME FOR E NINE 11 IN CASE ANYTHING HAPPENS, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          WE'RE JUST IDENTIFYING A, A ROAD THAT'S CORRECT. 
          IN THE GI GIS THAT'S CORRECT. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          THEY'RE NOT TAKING RIGHTS AWAY FROM ANYBODY? NOPE. 
          NOPE. 
          NOT TAKING RIGHTS AWAY FROM ANYBODY. 
          THEY, THEY CAN ACCESS IT NOW JUST AS THEY CAN ACCESS IT AFTER IT'S NAMED AS A PRIVATE ROAD THAT CURRENTLY THEY'RE ADDRESSED OFF THE STATE ROAD, BUCK MOUNTAIN. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEY'RE QUITE A LITTLE BIT OF WAYS FROM IT, BUT MM-HMM. 
          , UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S AN EASEMENT THAT, THAT WAS DRAFTED, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S SOME LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY ABOUT THAT, BUT WE WON'T GET INTO THAT. 
          IT'S PRIMARILY WE'RE ADDRESSING JUST THE E 9 1 1, UH, REQUIREMENTS FOR, FOR NAMING OF ROADS, UM, AND ASSIGNING ADDRESSES OFF THAT PRIVATE ROAD. 
          I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE, I CAN'T SEE THAT VERY WELL AND I'VE BEEN LOCKED OUT AND IT GUYS WEREN'T HERE TO GET ME BACK INTO THE SYSTEM. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I'M, BUT I'M THINKING THIS IS LIKE HALFWAY 
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AROUND TO GOING TOWARDS THE BROWNTOWN SECTION. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, IT'S PAST THE LEFT PEARL'S LANE AND BEFORE FOREST. 
          I KNOW EXACTLY. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE FOREST LANE, AND THEN FOREST IS JUST BEYOND THE ENTRANCE OF THIS, UH, EASEMENT, WHICH WILL BE A PROPERTY YEAH. 
          I THINK IT'S THAT REALLY STEEP ROAD IT THAT GOES DOWN TO THE LEFT. 
          IT IS, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE GOING, GOING TOWARDS BROWNTOWN, IT'S TO THE LEFT TOWARDS BROWNTOWN, IT'D BE ON THE LEFT. 
          YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. 
          THE WIND GATE. 
          I CAN ALMOST UNDERSTAND IF IT'S THE ROAD I'M THINKING YOU'D NEED A, I DUNNO IF YOU KNOW THE WIND GATES WINDGATE PROPERTY IS JUST BEFORE YEAH. 
          THE ACCESS POINT. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S, IT'S A FAIRLY STEEP LITTLE AND IT, IT DOES, YOU DON'T EVEN SEE THE HOUSES. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, THE ONE HOUSE YOU CAN, BUT THE OTHERS IS DIFFICULT. 
          SO BACK UP INTO IT, IT, IT IS QUITE STEEP AS YOU GET INTO FURTHER INTO THE PROPERTY, SO, SO, UM, YEAH, I COULD SEE WHERE YOU GET A, A CALL FOR ASSISTANCE AND YOU SEE THE BOX NUMBER OUT ON THE ROAD, BUT YOU DON'T SEE ANYTHING TO KNOW THAT THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE DOWN THERE. 
          SO I CAN, I CAN SEE THE BENEFITS OF IT, BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THE PAIN OF HAVING TO CHANGE YOUR ADDRESS ON EVERYTHING, WHICH CAN BE A PAIN. 
          YEAH. 
          WE, IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. 
          I MEAN, IT JUST, YEAH, WE'VE DONE A LOT OF THESE NEW ROADS AND PRIVATE ROADS AND EVERYTHING, SO YEAH. 
          SO I'VE GOT SOME FRIENDS WHO'VE, UH, THEY'RE BUILDING A HOUSE UP IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE COUNTY AND THE, UH, THEY RAN INTO THE SAME THING. 
          THEY WERE THE THIRD HOUSE THAT WENT IN ON THAT, THAT PRIVATE ROAD. 
          YEAH. 
          AND HE SAID THAT THE NEIGHBORS WERE COMPLAINING TO HIM BECAUSE THEY SAID THAT, WELL, YOU MADE US CHANGE THE, THE, THE ROAD. 
          AND HE SAID, WELL, I DIDN'T MAKE YOU DO ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, I JUST BOUGHT THIS LOT HERE AND STARTED BUILDING AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THE COUNTY CAME ALONG AND SAID, NOPE, WE NEED TO CHANGE THE NAME OF THE ROAD. 
          YEAH. 
          SO NOW I UNDERSTAND WHY. 
          YEAH. 
          FORTUNATELY WE DON'T REQUIRE THAT THEY, THE THIRD PERSON HARD SURFACE IT UP TO THAT POINT . 
          SO, UH, UH, THAT'S A LITTLE EASIER ON THE POCKETBOOK, BUT YEAH. 
          , ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          VERY GOOD, THANK YOU. 
          LAST ON OUR 
          [F. Discussion - Update on Alternate Sites for Warren County Sheriff's Office Shooting Range]
LIST IS UPDATE ON ALTERNATE SITES FOR THE WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE SHOOTING RANGE. 
          OFFICER ROY, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. 
          THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. 
          UH, I DO HAVE A GRAPHIC UP HERE, UM, AND WE WILL GO OVER THAT IN JUST A MINUTE. 
          I JUST WANNA UPDATE YOU ON, UH, WHERE WE'VE BEEN, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          WE DID, UH, SUBMIT THE COMM CONDITIONAL, UH, USE PERMIT APPLICATION AND IT IS IN A PLANNING COMMISSION AT THIS MOMENT AND HAS BEEN TABLED, UH, FOR COMMENTS FROM DEQ PUBLIC WORKS, UM, HEALTH DEPARTMENT, A FEW OTHERS. 
          UH, MOST OF ALL OF THAT HAS COME BACK, IF, IF NOT ALL OF IT. 
          SO WE EXPECT IN OCTOBER TO BE BACK ON THE AGENDA, UH, FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THAT TO CONTINUE MOVING FORWARD. 
          UH, AND THAT'S FOR THE BENTONVILLE TRANSFER SITE LOCATION THAT WE WERE SUGGESTING FROM THE BEGINNING. 
          DO YOU HAVE AN ANTICIPATED DATE WHEN IT'LL BE BACK IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION? IF I RECALL, OCTOBER 9TH IS ONE OF THE DATES THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS, UH, IS MEETING AGAIN. 
          IT'S A POSSIBLE DATE. 
          IT HAS NOT BEEN SET. 
          YES. 
          SO THE TARGET IS THE NINTH AND YES, I BELIEVE SO. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          UH, AND SO, UM, JUST KIND OF REVIEWING SOME OF THESE SITES, UH, JUST SO YOU KINDA UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM, UM, WE HAVE A, A STANDARD FOR LIKE THE SIZE, UH, NOT JUST A QUALIFICATION SIZE. 
          SO WHEN WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT QUALIFICATION, A QUALIFICATION RANGE IS JUST FOR A TEST. 
          ALL IT DOES IS PUT AN OFFICER ON SITE AND HE SHOOTS FOR A SCORE AND IT'S OVER, UM, QUALIFICATION'S NOT TRAINING. 
          AND, UH, THAT HAS ONE MANDATED STATE, UH, QUALIFICATION COURSE PER YEAR. 
          NOW WE DO HAVE THEM QUALIFY MORE THAN ONCE A YEAR. 
          UH, WE LIKE TO DO AT LEAST TWICE A YEAR ON QUALIFICATION. 
          TRAINING, HOWEVER, REQUIRES A LITTLE BIT MORE EFFORT, UH, IF YOU WERE JUST TO BE TESTED ON SOMETHING AND NEVER HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO PRACTICE. 
          AND, UH, THAT QUALIFICATION DOESN'T TEST YOU IN EVERY AREA THAT YOU WOULD EVEN EXPECT US TO RESPOND TO CALLS ON. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A RANGE AT A STATIC TARGET. 
          UH, WE HAVE TO, UM, TRAIN IN A LOT OF OTHER WAYS, YOU KNOW, TO DEAL WITH, UM, VEHICLE AMBUSHES, TO DEAL WITH ACTIVE SHOOTER EVENTS, TO DEAL WITH, UH, MANY DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          UH, THE OFFICERS BACK HERE, THESE ARE THE ONES DOING IT. 
          UH, THESE, THESE ARE THE GUYS THAT GO OUT EVERY SINGLE DAY AND THEY'RE, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE RISKING THEIR LIVES, UH, TO RESPOND TO CALLS. 
          AS YOU WERE SAYING EARLIER, WE DON'T GET TO TURN AWAY FROM, UH, THE HAZARDOUS DUTY, UH, WHEN WE'RE CALLED, WE GO. 
          AND SO WE SET, UM, A STANDARD FOR WHERE WE WANNA SEE THIS TRAINING GO. 
          WE WE'RE, WE'RE NOT AT A STANDARD WHERE WE SHOULD BE. 
          WE'RE NOT AT A STANDARD THAT I BELIEVE THE PUBLIC ACTUALLY EXPECTS US TO BE. 
          AND THE SHERIFF HAS TASKED US WITH MAKING THIS BETTER. 
          LET'S BRING US UP TO A HIGHER STANDARD. 
          AND SO THIS IS WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON. 
          SO WE SET A STANDARD IN THE INITIAL PROPOSAL OF THE TYPE OF SITE, NOT JUST THE FIREARMS RANGE, BUT A AN OVERALL 
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SITE FOR TRAINING. 
          AND SO SIZE IS A BIG FACTOR IN, IN WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, WITH THE RANGE ITSELF. 
          THE OTHER, UM, MOST IMPORTANT THING IS SAFETY. 
          UH, WE GOTTA MAKE SURE WE CAN DO THIS IN A SAFE MANNER, UH, TO PROTECT THE, THE, NOT ONLY THE PEOPLE WE'RE TRAINING, BUT UH, ANYBODY WHO IS IN THE AREA AROUND US. 
          SO THE RANGE HAS TO BE SAFE AND IT HAS TO BE OF ADEQUATE SIZE. 
          UH, SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT PROPOSED SITES, IF IT DOESN'T AT LEAST, UH, MEET THOSE TWO OR DOESN'T HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF BEING UPGRADED TO THOSE TWO, UH, WE HAVE TO DISMISS THE, THE POTENTIAL SITES. 
          PLEASE DO, AGAIN, UM, SAFE SAFETY, SAFETY, UH, CAN WE SAFELY SHOOT AT THE LOCATION, UH, WITH FIREARMS? UH, CAN WE SAFELY TRAIN THERE? AND THEN, UH, THE SIZE, WILL IT MEET A SIZE STANDARD THAT WILL GO BEYOND QUALIFICATION? UH, AND IF IT DOESN'T MEET IT AT THIS MOMENT, BUT HAS THE POTENTIAL, UH, WITH, WITH UPGRADES, UH, WE, WE DID CHOOSE FIVE LOCATIONS, WHICH I HAVE UP HERE. 
          UH, OUTSIDE OF THAT, THE OTHER LOCATIONS DID, JUST DIDN'T MEET THOSE TWO, THOSE TWO INITIAL STANDARDS. 
          AND IF THEY DON'T MEET THOSE, THEN WE JUST, WE, WE HAD TO CUT 'EM FROM THE LIST BECAUSE IT JUST WON'T WORK. 
          IT, IT'S NOT GONNA WORK. 
          SO WHAT'S THE CRITERIA OF YOUR STANDARDS, YOU KNOW, SAFETY? DID YOU HAVE FIVE STANDARDS AND DID YOU HAD FIVE FOR SIZE? AND WHAT, WHAT ARE THEY? YEAH. 
          SO IN THE INITIAL PROPOSAL, UH, WE LAID OUT 10 LANES, THE SIZE OF THE LANES, UH, THE HEIGHT OF, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL BERMS. LIKE WE, WE LAID ALL THAT OUT IN INITIAL PROPOSAL. 
          SO, SO THAT WAS FOR THE SIZE? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN FOR THE SAFETY, WAS THAT SIZE AND SAFETY? I'M SORRY. 
          YES. 
          THE, SO BUILDING OF BERMS, UH, THE, YOU KNOW, THE RANGE SIZE, SO IF I, IF I, IF I NEED 10 LANES, BUT WE SQUISH THOSE LANES DOWN SO SMALL, THEN IT'S NOT EVEN SAFE TO BE ON THE RANGE TO BE ABLE TO MOVE ON THE RANGE NEXT TO ANOTHER OFFICER. 
          SO THERE'S SAFETY IN A LOT OF OTHER FACTORS. 
          SO THE SIZE OF THE RANGE ITSELF DEALS WITH SAFETY ALSO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE RANGE DESIGN, UH, THE, UH, THE SAFETY OF IT. 
          AND IF WE CAN'T INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE PROPOSED SITES IN WHICH WE HAD MANY, MANY, MANY SITES, UH, SUGGESTED TO US, WE GO OUT AND CHECK THE SITES. 
          AND IF IT DIDN'T MEET THOSE TWO CATEGORIES, WE HAD TO DISMISS IT. 
          IF IT HAD THE ABILITY, AGAIN, TO BE CHANGED, TO MEET THOSE STANDARDS, THEN WE, WE STILL LOOKED AT IT. 
          AND SO I NARROWED IT TO THESE FIVE POTENTIALS, UH, WITH TWO OF THEM BEING, UM, MUCH MORE LIKELY POSSIBILITIES, UH, THAN THE OTHERS. 
          UH, SO IF YOU, IF IF I COULD JUST EXPLAIN, UH, THE GRAPH AND WE COULD, YOU KNOW, UH, CHANGE THE SCORING TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS, BUT I'LL JUST SHARE WITH YOU WHAT WE LOOKED AT AT THIS POINT. 
          UH, IF IT HAS A GREEN CHECK TO IT NEXT TO IT, IT JUST MEETS OR EXCEEDS THE STANDARD THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. 
          SO WE KNOW IT WILL WORK JUST LIKE IT IS. 
          UH, IF IT'S GOT A RED CHECK, IT, SOMETHING ABOUT IT PARTIALLY MEETS IT. 
          SO MAYBE IS A, A COST TO AN UPGRADE. 
          UM, BUT IT HAS POTENTIAL. 
          UH, IF IT HAS AN X, WE JUST, IT'S JUST NOT GONNA, THAT PARTICULAR THING IS A HIGH NEGATIVE. 
          UH, IT'S, WE LIKELY CAN'T FIX THAT, THAT PARTICULAR THING. 
          UH, SO AT THE BENTONVILLE, UH, TRANSFER STATION, UM, MEETS THE SAFETY STANDARDS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. 
          IT MEETS THE SIZE REQUIREMENTS, UH, THE ACCESSIBILITY, LIKE GETTING INTO AND OUT OF WITHOUT MUCH DISRUPTION. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE ON COUNTY PROPERTY THE WHOLE TIME, SO IT'S, IT'S NOT A PROBLEM GETTING IN AND OF THE FACILITY. 
          UH, THE ENVIRONMENTAL PIECE, UH, THERE IS MONITORING POSSIBILITY AVAILABLE THERE, THERE ARE WELLS ON THE PROPERTY. 
          SO, UH, WHEN FOLKS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL SIDE OF IT, WE HAVE A WAY TO MONITOR, UH, OR AT LEAST CHECK, UH, GROUNDWATER. 
          UM, WHAT ARE THEY CONCERNED ABOUT WITH THE, WELL, WHAT ARE THEY CONCERNED ABOUT WITH THE GROUNDWATER? IS THAT THE LEAD THAT'S GOING INTO THE, INTO THE, THAT HAS BEEN THE QUESTION. 
          YES, SIR. 
          UH, SO THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT MAYBE LEAD GOING INTO THE LAND, EVEN THOUGH WE WE'RE GONNA DO A CAPTURE SYSTEM. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA CAPTURE, REMOVE LEAD. 
          UH, BUT FOLKS ARE STILL CONCERNED ABOUT POTENTIAL LEAD AND THEY WANT TO KNOW THAT IT CAN BE CHECKED. 
          SO WHEN WE HAVE QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC ABOUT THAT, THEY WANT TO KNOW, CAN, CAN WE, CAN OUR, IS OUR WATER GONNA BE SAFE? SO, OKAY. 
          UH, THIS SITE DOES HAVE MONITORING. 
          THE WELLS EXIST ON THE PROPERTY, AND THEY DO TEST THE WATER, UH, IN THAT AREA. 
          UM, NOW THE, UH, I GOT A RED CHECK NEXT TO THE 62 ADDRESSES THAT ARE IMPACTED. 
          UH, THAT IS, UM, IT'S MOSTLY RESIDENTIAL. 
          UH, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S A, IT'S NOT A GREEN CHECK. 
          WE'RE JUST SAYING IT'S, IT'S A CONCERN. 
          THERE ARE FOLKS AFFECTED BY IT. 
          UH, IF WE'VE HAD A SITE THAT HAD NO RESIDENCES WITHIN A MILE, I'D SAY WE PUT A GREEN CHECK NEXT TO IT. 
          BUT WE HAVE, WE HAD, THIS WOULDN'T EVEN BE AN ISSUE, YOU KNOW? YES, SIR. 
          UH, AND THEN THE NOISE, UH, IT'S EXPECTED TO BE LOW TO MODERATE. 
          WE, WE DID DO SOME TESTING OUT IN THAT AREA, AND IT AFFECTS MORE THAN IT DOES OTHERS IN THAT AREA. 
          SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE NOISE ORDINANCE AT, UH, AT 62, IT IS OVER, I THINK, FOR TWO PROPERTIES 
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THAT WE CHECKED. 
          UH, AND FOR ALL THE OTHERS, IT WAS, IT WAS WELL BENEATH, UH, THE STANDARD. 
          SO IT, IT AFFECTED SOME, UM, ACTUALLY FEWER THAN IT DID MOST IN THAT AREA. 
          CAT MOUNTAIN, UH, KEPT AL AND I SPENT SOME TIME ON THIS SITE. 
          UH, IT IS A GREAT SITE. 
          UH, I, IT'S AN IMPRESSIVE SITE. 
          IT'S, IN FACT, IT'S A, IT'S A RAVINE. 
          IT'S ALREADY A BOWL, UH, THAT, THAT EXISTS THERE WITH A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF VEGETATION, A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF SAFETY. 
          UH, IT'S, UH, IT MAY EVEN REQUIRE LESS GROUNDWORK TO EVEN GET IT DONE. 
          UM, SO THERE IS A PORTION OF CAT MOUNTAIN NETWORKS REALLY, REALLY WELL. 
          UH, IT MEETS THE SIZE STANDARDS, IT MEETS THE SAFETY STANDARDS. 
          UH, IT IS ACCESSIBLE. 
          WE DO HAVE TO DRIVE BETWEEN A COUPLE RESIDENCES, UH, TO GET TO IT. 
          UH, BUT I THINK IT'S JUST TWO. 
          SO, SO, SO WHEREABOUTS IN THE COUNTY IS THIS? CATLETT MOUNTAIN? UH, SO IT'S, IT'S NOT FAR OFF OF, UH, SIX 19. 
          SIX 19. 
          IT'S IN MY DISTRICT, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, IT'S NOT FAR OFF. 
          SIX 19. 
          SO ON THIS ONE, UH, SOME MORE OF THE CONCERNS. 
          NOW, THIS IS AN OLD LANDFILL. 
          UH, I DON'T BELIEVE DIGGING HERE WOULD BE GOOD. 
          UM, I'M NOT REALLY SURE. 
          I'M NOT THE EXPERT ON THAT. 
          I'M NOT, I PROBABLY CAN'T DIG THERE. 
          BUT THE GROUND IS ALREADY VERY CLOSE TO WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE. 
          UH, SO THAT DOES HAVE POTENTIAL. 
          UM, DON'T KNOW. 
          I REALLY DON'T KNOW IF IT'S MONITORED OR NOT. 
          I DID NOT SEE MONITORING WELLS. 
          I DON'T KNOW THE CONDITION OF THAT. 
          IT MAY NOT BE MONITORED AT THIS TIME. 
          UM, IT'D BE A LOW COST, WHICH IS A GOOD THING. 
          UH, ON THE NEGATIVE SIDE OF, THERE'S 852 ADDRESSES THAT WOULD BE IMPACTED BY THIS LOCATION. 
          AND, UH, EVEN LOOKING AT PROPERTY AROUND THAT AREA, IT LOOKS LIKE MORE DEVELOPMENT MAY EVEN BE, IT MAY BE GROWING EVEN WITHIN THAT ONE MILE RADIUS, EVEN BEYOND THE 8 52. 
          SO THERE'S 852 RESIDENTS WITHIN A ONE MILE RADIUS, 852 ADDRESSES IDENTIFIED BY, UH, GIS. 
          AND IT LOOKS LIKE THERE IS POTENTIAL FOR MORE DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA. 
          YES. 
          WOW. 
          YES. 
          UH, SO WE, WE COUNT THAT AS A NEGATIVE. 
          UH, THE NOISE IS STILL EXPECTED TO BE LOW TO MODERATE. 
          IT MAY EVEN BE LESS, UH, BECAUSE OF THE SHAPE OF THE LAND, THERE MAY EVEN BE LESS THAN, UH, THE BENTONVILLE TRANSFER SITES. 
          SO THESE TWO SITES ARE THE PRIMARY TWO SITES THAT WOULD WORK BEST FOR THE, FOR THIS TYPE OF TRAINING NEED. 
          THERE ARE THE TWO BEST SITES. 
          UH, WE DID LOOK AT ESA LANE. 
          UM, THERE, THERE ARE SOME ISSUES, UH, WORKING IN THAT AREA. 
          THERE IS A WETLAND IN THE AREA THAT HAS A NATURAL, UM, LIKE IF WE'RE USING THE, THE, THE LAND SHAPE TO KEEP IT SAFE. 
          UH, THAT AREA DOES HAVE LIKE A POND AND A WET AREA THERE. 
          NOT REALLY IDEAL, UH, FOR THAT, BUT IT COULD WORK. 
          UM, IT MEETS MINIMAL, MINIMAL SAFETY STANDARDS. 
          I WOULD SAY. 
          UH, AT THIS POINT, IT'S ONLY QUALIFICATION SIZE ONLY. 
          IT WOULD TAKE A LOT OF UPGRADE AND COST TO GET IT TO A POINT WHERE WE COULD DO A FULL TRAINING SITE OUT THERE. 
          SO, SO YOU'D HAVE TO GET A, A, A BULLDOZER OUT THERE AND, AND MOVE SOME LAND AROUND AND YEAH. 
          ON, ON MOST OF THE SITES WE WOULD, ANYWAY. 
          THIS ONE WOULD JUST TAKE MORE, 'CAUSE WE HAVE TO CLEAR WOODED LAND TO GET IT DONE. 
          UH, THE CAT MOUNTAIN AND BENTONVILLE WOULDN'T REQUIRE REMOVING LUMBER. 
          UH, WE VERY LITTLE, UM, REMOVAL OF TREES ON EITHER ONE OF THOSE SITES, MAYBE NONE. 
          UH, BUT THE E ES A LANE, WE WOULD HAVE TO MOVE TREES TO MAKE THAT A BETTER SITE ON THAT, ON THAT ONE THERE. 
          UM, SO IT'D BE A HIGHER, HIGHER COST. 
          UM, 663 ADDRESSES IMPACTED AT THE ESA LANE SITE. 
          UM, AND THE NOISE, AGAIN, I THINK IT'S STILL GONNA BE EXPECTED, LOW TO MODERATE, UH, EVEN IN THAT AREA. 
          ISN'T THAT WHERE, UM, FIRE AND RESCUE HAS THEIR YES. 
          TRAINING AREA? YES. 
          IT, IT'S ON KIND OF ON TOP WHERE THEY WERE IDENTIFYING NOT A GREAT PLACE FOR RANGE. 
          'CAUSE IT'S FLAT AND IT'S JUST RIGHT ON TOP. 
          SO TO, TO BUILD A BERM THERE, IT'S JUST ISN'T NATURALLY BUILT FOR THAT KIND OF THING. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT I KNOW I, I KNOW THE AREA QUITE WELL. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT I KNOW THAT WE HAD ANOTHER EARLIER SESSION WHERE THE LONG TERM FOR HAVING A TRAINING FACILITY OR ACADEMY WOULD BE OUT THERE IN, WHAT, THREE YEARS? FIVE YEARS? I FORGET THE, THE TIME THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING IT. 
          AND ACTUALLY WE'RE BUDGETING, UM, OF MONEY TO HAVE SOMETHING OUT THERE IN THE NEXT, WHAT, WHAT IS IT THREE YEARS? FIVE? WAS IT FIVE YEARS? OKAY. 
          FIVE YEARS. 
          YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S ON A LONGRIDGE PLANE OF HAVING A TRAINEE FACILITY FOR ON FIRE AND RESCUE. 
          SURE. 
          AND I, I WASN'T LOOKING AT THE SPOT THAT THEY WERE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT. 
          I WAS TRYING TO WORK AROUND ALL OF THAT, SO WE DIDN'T INTERFERE WITH THEIR PLANS. 
          UM, SO ESA LANE, UH, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE SCORE ENDED UP SCORING AT A THREE. 
          IT JUST DIDN'T QUITE MEET, UM, THE, THE, THE SUITABILITY, THE OTHER TWO, UM, IT WAS MENTIONED THEIR RSW REGIONAL JAIL, THAT THE JAIL THEMSELVES, THEY, UH, TRAIN OVER FREDERICK COUNTY, UH, AT THEIR RANGE. 
          AND THAT THERE'S A SMALL PIECE OF PROPERTY BEHIND THE JAIL THAT, UH, COULD POSSIBLY WORK. 
          UH, IT'S ALMOST COMPLETELY 
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FLAT. 
          UH, IT'S NOT A VERY SAFE SITE. 
          IT WOULD BE COSTLY TO BUILD A SAFE AREA TO ACTUALLY SHOOT THERE. 
          IT'S QUALIFICATION SIZE ONLY. 
          THERE ARE TWO RETENTION PONDS WITHIN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO ANY LAND THAT COULD BE USED THERE. 
          UH, SO THAT'S, SO IS THAT SITE ON YOUR, ON YOUR SLIDE RIGHT THERE? YES. 
          IT, IT'S, UH, IT'S THE, THE ORANGE ONE. 
          THE ORANGE REGIONAL JAIL. 
          AFTER THE MEETING, COULD YOU SEND US ALL A COPY OF THIS SLIDE? YES. 
          I'VE ALREADY PROVIDED TO, TO ZACH. 
          HE ALREADY HAS THE COPY OF IT. 
          OH, COOL. 
          THANKS. 
          YES. 
          UH, CAN, SO RSW UM, IT CAN WORK. 
          UH, IT'S, UH, IT JUST WOULD TAKE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF UPGRADE TO MAKE THAT WORK. 
          UM, IT'S NOT MONITORED, UM, YOU KNOW, ENVIRONMENTALLY, UM, 330 ADDRESSES IMPACTED. 
          A LOT OF THAT IS INDUSTRIAL. 
          UH, I MEAN, WE FEEL LIKE THAT THE LOCATION THAT IT IS, THE NOISE FACTOR WOULD ACTUALLY BE LOW. 
          IT'S THE ONE THAT, UH, I DON'T FEEL LIKE NOISE WOULD BE THE BIGGEST FACTOR IN, IN THAT AREA. 
          I THINK IT WOULD BE THE LOWEST, UH, IN THAT AREA, UH, FOR THAT. 
          UH, SO OURS, W REGIONAL JAIL, UH, THEY'LL JUST TAKE A LOT OF WORK TO, TO DO ANYTHING THERE. 
          UH, THE ROCKLAND PARK ROAD, UH, THIS WAS SUGGESTED A FEW TIMES TO US. 
          UM, I, I DON'T REALLY LIKE THIS SITE BECAUSE IT'S ALMOST ALL WOODED. 
          THERE'S ALMOST NOTHING THERE TO WORK WITH OPEN LAND. 
          AND IT IS HIGH PEDESTRIAN USE. 
          FOLKS GO OUT THERE, THEY PLAY ON THE PARKS, THEY PLAY BASKETBALL, TENNIS. 
          IT'S, IT'S ADJACENT TO THAT. 
          AND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT IS THE RIVER. 
          AND THEN EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN THAT IS NOTHING BUT WOODED PROPERTY. 
          UH, SO IT'S NOT IDEAL IN THAT WAY. 
          IT DOES MEET THE, THE SIZE REQUIREMENTS. 
          UH, AT THIS TIME, I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S A SAFE SITE. 
          IT WOULD TAKE A LOT OF COST TO GET IT TOO SAFE. 
          UH, IT HAS THE POTENTIAL, UH, BUT IT WOULD TAKE, UH, A MUCH HIGHER COST TO GET THERE. 
          329 ADDRESSES STILL IMPACTED IN THIS AREA. 
          UM, AND WITH THE PEDESTRIAN USE, IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT IDEAL. 
          UH, NOISE STILL EXPECTED TO BE, IT IS EXPECTED TO BE KIND OF IN A MODERATE RANGE, UH, FOR WHERE IT IS BECAUSE IT'S AGAINST THE RIVER. 
          AND THERE'S HOMES RIGHT ACROSS THE RIVER, AND THEN THERE'S THE PARK, UH, WHICH IS JUST ADJACENT TO IT. 
          SO, SO IS PART OF YOUR SAFETY CRITERIA? 'CAUSE I'VE, I'VE HEARD THE, THE SHERIFF MENTION THIS BEFORE ABOUT, UH, UH, AND I HATE TO PUT IT THIS WAY, BUT PRYING EYES, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COMING OVER AND JUST WATCHING WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          WHEREAS, UH, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THE SHERIFF, SHE DOESN'T WANT PEOPLE TO COMING OVER AND, AND WATCHING WHAT'S GOING ON BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT CERTAIN THINGS THAT CERTAIN, UM, UM, I I GUESS THINGS THAT, THAT, THAT YOU ALL DO THAT MM-HMM. 
           THAT, UM, UM, THE, UH, AS FAR AS, UM, OH, UH, JUST THE WAY THAT YOU DO THINGS. 
          YES. 
          AND YOU DON'T WANT FOLKS SITTING THERE WATCHING YOU. 
          UH, PRIVACY IS A CONCERN. 
          YEAH. 
          ALL THOSE SITES CAN HAVE PRIVACY, UH, A FAIR AMOUNT OF PRIVACY, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE REGIONAL JAIL SITE. 
          UH, IT'S, IT'S, I MEAN, IT'S IN INDUSTRIAL AREA, SO THERE AREN'T HOMES RIGHT UP AGAINST IT, BUT IT'S ALSO WIDE OUT IN THE OPEN. 
          UH, THERE'S NO VEGETATION AROUND IT TO, UM, TO HIDE ANYTHING. 
          IT'S JUST BEHIND THE JAIL. 
          UM, BUT THE OTHER SITES CAN BE, UH, CAN BE PRIVATE. 
          THEY ACTUALLY CAN BE, UH, CAT LAB MOUNTAIN IS PROBABLY THE, UM, THE MOST PRIVATE, UM, UH, PRIVATE ONE. 
          UM, 'CAUSE IT'S IN A GULLY  BECAUSE, YEAH. 
          UH, WE DID LOOK AT, UM, UH, OTHER COUNTY PROPERTIES. 
          THEY DIDN'T MEET THE, I MEAN, THEY, THEY'RE FALL BELOW THESE STANDARDS, UH, THE OTHER COUNTY PROPERTIES DO. 
          UH, AND WHEN WE CONSIDER, UH, PRIVATE LAND THAT'S BEEN SUGGESTED MANY TIMES, PRIVATE LAND IS JUST NOT SUSTAINABLE. 
          UH, IT, IT COULD BE PULLED FROM US AT ANY TIME WE INVEST IN, UH, A PROPERTY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          AND THEN THE PROPERTY OWNER JUST SAYS, NO, I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE WANT YOU TO DO THAT ANYMORE. 
          UH, IT'S, IT, IT IS NOT IDEAL. 
          UH, WE BELIEVE THIS SHOULD BE ON GOVERNMENT PROPERTY. 
          AND, UH, LANDFILLS TEND TO BE THE, UM, THE GO-TO FOR THIS TYPE OF, UM, UM, TRAINING RANGES. 
          UM, MOST COUNTIES USE THEIR LANDFILLS TO BUILD THEIR RANGES ON IN THEIR TRAINING RANGES. 
          UM, AND ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER. 
          SO WHAT ABOUT, I THOUGH THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION OF PARTNERING WITH FRONT ROYAL, THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, AND USING THEIRS. 
          SO WHAT, WHAT EVALUATION CRITERIA DID YOU USE TO RULE THAT OUT? UH, WE, WE DIDN'T RULE IT OUT. 
          IT JUST ISN'T NECESSARILY AN OPTION AT THIS TIME. 
          UH, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT, UM, UH, IS, UH, IT'S NOT AVAILABLE AT THIS TIME. 
          NOW, I, WHEN IT COMES TO A REGIONAL RANGE, UH, THE SHERIFF DOES HAVE THAT IN MIND. 
          UH, IF WE COULD PULL TOGETHER REGIONAL RANGE, UH, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S MORE OF A MUCH LONG-TERM PROJECT BECAUSE OF THE COST OF BUILDING MAYBE A FACILITY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          IT'D BE VERY LONG TERM. 
          UH, OUR TRAINING NEEDS ARE MORE IMMEDIATE. 
          AND SO FRONT ROYAL, IT IS NOT 
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IT, HOW DO YOU SAY THIS NICELY, BUT FRONT ROYAL CAN'T, UM, DOESN'T HAVE THE FACILITY TO MEET YOUR, YOUR SAFETY NEEDS AND THE SIZE NEEDS. 
          SO IT, IT IS A LITTLE, IT IS SHORT ON THE SIZE. 
          UH, AS FAR AS THE, ACTUALLY, EVEN THE FIRE RANGE IS SMALLER, UH, THAN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. 
          UH, THEY HAVE A SMALLER DEPARTMENT. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE TO, UH, HAVE AS, AS MANY OFFICERS, UH, TO, TO TRAIN ANNUALLY. 
          UH, SO WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, 74, UH, FULL-TIME SWORN. 
          UM, AND, UH, EVEN HAR FERRY, HAR FERRY IS THE ONE THAT WORKS FOR US BECAUSE IT'S SO LARGE. 
          UH, SO FRONT ROYAL, IT WORKS WHEN, UH, WHEN IT'S AVAILABLE, UH, THEY DO GIVE US THE RANGE. 
          WE CAN GO DOWN THERE AND TRAIN. 
          UH, BUT WE CAN'T DO ALL OF OUR TRAINING AT THAT SITE THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO. 
          THE, IF YOU'VE BEEN TO THAT SITE, IT'S, IT'S NOT CONSTRUCTED FOR WHAT WE WERE, WE'RE AIMING FOR, UH, FOR ALL OF OUR TRAINING. 
          SO, SO, SO WHAT ARE, WHAT'S THE SPLIT THEN? YOU'RE SAYING THAT, UM, THE FRONT ROYAL, UH, FACILITY DOESN'T MEET ALL OF YOUR TRAINING NEEDS, SO IT MEETS THE QUALIFICATION NEEDS. 
          SO IS IT A FIRING RANGE? SO YOU'D BE ABLE TO USE IT TO PRACTICE FIRING RANGE, AND IT, YOU DON'T HAVE THE AREA TO TRAIN THE CANINES? OR WHAT, WHAT IS IT THAT THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ROOM TO DO? SO IT, IT'S PRIMARILY A QUALIFICATION RANGE. 
          THAT'S WHAT THAT RANGE IS PRIMARILY FOR. 
          UH, AND IT IS AVAILABLE TO US FOR THAT REASON. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UH, BUT IT ISN'T A PERMANENT, UH, AVAILABILITY. 
          UH, SO NO, IT DOES NOT MEET ALL THE STANDARDS AT THIS TIME, UH, FOR EVERYTHING THAT WE WANT TO DO, UH, AND BRING THESE OFFICERS UP IN THEIR TRAINING AND GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE. 
          UH, IT DOESN'T MEET THAT STANDARD. 
          I'M NOT SURE IT MEETS THEIR STANDARDS. 
          I KNOW THEY REACHED OUT TO, UM, DR. 
          DALEY AND MYSELF DURING A MEETING ASKING IF THEY COULD BE CONSIDERED TO BE PART OF WHAT YOU WANNA DO. 
          AND I ASKED THE QUESTION, I SAID, DON'T YOU HAVE YOUR OWN? AND THEY SAID, WELL, IT DOESN'T MEET THEIR NEEDS AS WELL. 
          SO I'VE NEVER BEEN THERE. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          I KNOW HISTORICALLY I, THAT THEY ALWAYS WENT OUT TO BOBBY JETS AND, UM, QUALIFIED. 
          AND I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE THEY WERE QUALIFIED UNTIL HE SAID THAT AND WHERE IT WAS. 
          UM, SO I, I DON'T THINK IT MEETS THEIR NEEDS TOTALLY EITHER. 
          SO WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, THIS SLIDE HERE, THESE ARE YOUR NEEDS AT THIS TIME. 
          SO, SAFETY, SIZE, ACCESSIBILITY, ENVIRONMENTAL COST, ADDRESSES AND NOISE. 
          THESE, THESE ARE THE THINGS, THESE ARE YOUR NEEDS. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          SO THESE ARE THE NEEDS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          SOME OF THESE ARE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE NEEDS, SOME OF 'EM ARE COMMUNITY CONCERNS. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          SO THEN, UM, THE OTHER THING IS, UH, THE, UH, WHAT IS IT? UM, THE FINE RANGE OVER IN MIDDLE MIDDLETOWN. 
          THEY ACTUALLY, I, 'CAUSE THEY, THEY HAVE SAID THAT THEY WOULD OFFER FREE TRAINING, WELL, NOT TRAINING, BUT THEY, THE FACILITY BE FREE FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT. 
          YES. 
          I'VE, I'VE BEEN TO THE SITE. 
          IT'S QUALIFICATION ONLY. 
          UH, AND ON THE, UH, RIFLE RANGES, UH, YOU CAN'T SHOOT ENOUGH PEOPLE. 
          UH, SO IT WOULD, IT WOULD LENGTHEN OUR TRAINING TIME. 
          IF, IF WE ARE TO USE THE MIDDLETOWN FARMS RANGE, WE WOULD FOREGO THAT AND WE WOULD JUST GO TO HARPER'S FERRY BECAUSE HARPER'S FERRY MEETS THE NEED. 
          UM, MIDDLETOWN'S FARM RANGE IS JUST TOO SMALL. 
          IT DOESN'T MEET THE NEED. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS WHEN YOU HAVE COST LOW, LOW, LOW, SO WHAT IS, ARE WE LOOKING AT THE COST CEILING, WHICH IS THIS ALL SUPPOSED TO BE DONATED, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, FROM THE ORIGINAL PLAN IS WHERE IT'S NOT COMING BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND TO, TO GET THIS UP AND RUNNING. 
          SO WHAT IS THAT CEILING? 20,000, 30,000? WHAT, WHAT IS, SO JUST MOVING DIRT, CREATING A ROAD OR LEVELING GROUND. 
          THAT IS WHAT WE CAN GET DONE DONATED. 
          UH, IF WE HAVE TO DO TREE REMOVAL, WE GOTTA TAKE LUMBER OUT. 
          WE HAVE TO DISPOSE OF THAT SORT OF THING, AND THEN WORK THE GROUND DOWN. 
          THAT'S NOT THE KIND OF DONATION THAT WE HAVE. 
          UH, FOR THIS SITE, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING ABOVE AND BEYOND JUST SIMPLY CLEARING LAND AND MOVING DIRT. 
          UH, THE BENTONVILLE TRANSFER SITE, WE DON'T EVEN NEED TO, WE DON'T NEED THE FIRST TWO. 
          WE DON'T EVEN NEED DIRT. 
          UH, THE, THE SITE HAS EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED. 
          SOME OF THESE OTHER SITES WOULD REQUIRE US TO BRING DIRT TO IT OR BRING DUMP TRUCKS IN, AND WE GOTTA FIND DIRT. 
          WE GOTTA PAY FOR DIRT. 
          AND THAT, THAT'S NOT WHAT'S BEING OFFERED. 
          WHAT'S BEING OFFERED IS TO, TO LEVEL GROUND AND BUILD THE BERM WITH WHAT'S ON SITE. 
          I FEEL LIKE WE MISSED A, A GREAT OPPORTUNITY AND IT'S WATER UNDER THE BRIDGE BECAUSE IT'S BEEN SOLD. 
          BUT IT JUST BREAKS MY HEART THAT WE WEREN'T AWARE THAT THE STATE 
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WAS SELLING CAMP SEVEN. 
          THAT WOULD'VE BEEN THE PERFECT PLACE TO, TO HAVE A REGIONAL FACILITY. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU HAD YOUR BUILDINGS THERE TO TRAIN IN, UM, PLENTY OF SPACE TO DO WHAT YOU NEEDED TO DO FOR ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS YOU WANT. 
          BUT RAPPAHANNOCK ELECTRIC BOUGHT PART, AND CLARK COUNTY BOUGHT PART. 
          I HAD MISS, UH, MEADOWS REACH OUT TO CHRIS BOYS, THE ADMINISTRATOR FOR CLARK COUNTY TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANYTHING LEFT. 
          AND UNFORTUNATELY THERE'S NOT. 
          BUT HE SAID HE WOULD ALSO KEEP AN EYE OUT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK REGIONAL IS THE WAY TO GO IF WE CAN FIND A PLACE. 
          BUT REGIONAL, LIKE YOU SAID, DOESN'T TAKE CARE OF YOUR IMMEDIATE NEED. 
          UM, DOING ANYTHING LIKE A REGIONAL FACILITY IS GOING TO, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LONG PROCESS. 
          UM, EVEN IF WE WERE TO SAY WE WERE GONNA TAKE IT ON AS JUST A LOCAL, IT'S GONNA BE A LONG PROCESS. 
          IF WE'VE HAD ROOFS ON FOR REPAIR FOR FIVE AND MORE YEARS, BUILDING A TRAINING CENTER, UM, YOU KNOW, FIRE AND RESCUE, THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN ON FOR MULTIPLE YEARS AS WELL. 
          IT'S, IT'S ALL A MATTER OF FUNDING, WHICH STILL BRINGS US BACK TO THE NEED FOR THE IMMEDIATE TRAINING. 
          'CAUSE WE HAVE TO TRAIN OUR PEOPLE TOO. 
          SO IT'S A NO WIN SITUATION HERE. 
          CAMP SEVEN WOULD'VE BEEN A WIN-WIN SITUATION, BUT IT'S SOLD, I DON'T THINK RC WHERE'S, WHERE'S CAMP SEVEN AT? UM, YOU KNOW WHERE THE DINOSAURS ARE OUT? YEAH. 
          RIGHT ACROSS THE ROAD. 
          REALLY? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          IT WAS A CORRECTIONAL FACILITY FOR, I'M NOT SURE WHEN IT CLOSED DOWN. 
          I SEE. 
          OKAY. 
          LONG TIME. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I KNOW WHICH ONE THAT IS. 
          I'VE, I'VE ALWAYS KIND OF WONDERED WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT, BECAUSE THE, AFTER THEY BUILT THE RSW, THE, UH, NO, WELL, THAT WAS A STATE FACILITY, SO IT WASN'T BECAUSE OF RSW. 
          IT WAS JUST A LEGISLATIVE FINANCIAL DECISION, I GUESS. 
          HUH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WITH ALL THIS BEING SAID, THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT GOING FORWARD WITH THE, UM, THE CUP FOR APPROVAL FOR THE BENTONVILLE SITE? UH, YES. 
          I MEAN, IT'S ALREADY IN THAT, IN THAT PROCESS. 
          UH, SO THAT, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE SITE THAT HAS, THAT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS DECIDED TO PURSUE IT. 
          IT IS THE, UM, IT'S THE BEST SITE BASED ON OUR EVALUATION AT THIS TIME. 
          UH, SO WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THEY ARE, UM, LAYING OUT CONDITIONS FOR THAT TO, TO BE THERE. 
          AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF CONDITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED TO THAT SINCE, UH, SINCE WE TALKED EVEN DURING THE, THE FIRST SESSION. 
          RIGHT. 
          UH, SO THEY'RE ADDING CONDITIONS TO THAT. 
          AND THE SHERIFF HAS, UH, BEEN IN DISCUSSIONS WITH MATT WENDLING OVER THAT. 
          AND IT'LL GO BACK BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, WITH, WITH THE BENTONVILLE SITE AS YES. 
          AS THE DESIGNATED SITE. 
          THAT'S THE ONE THAT WE HAVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR. 
          YES. 
          YES. 
          UH, WE WERE HERE TODAY TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON OTHER PROPOSED SITES, UH, TO GIVE YOU INFORMATION ON, UH, WHAT THOSE MAY BE AND, UH, WHAT THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UH, STATUS IS AT THIS TIME. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS? OR, UH, JUST A COUPLE COMMENTS. 
          UM, I THINK, UM, I THINK I WAS, I WAS SORT OF EXPECTING TO BE TAKEN THROUGH THE VARIOUS CRITERIA. 
          AND I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE WE GOT, WE JUST GOT TO THE END. 
          GOTCHA. 
          I, I KIND OF WAS ADVOCATING THAT WE ALL SEE THE PROCESS INSTEAD OF THE ANSWER AT, AT THE END OF THE PROCESS. 
          THAT'S JUST SORT OF AN EXPECTATION. 
          I, I HAD FOR SOME REASON, UM, LET MYSELF GET INTO, UM, SO I, I THINK, I MEAN, THIS IS SIMILAR TO WHAT I HAD ADVOCATED. 
          I THINK THAT, I'M SURE SHARED, SHARED A GRID MM-HMM. 
           THING THAT I ADVOCATED. 
          AND THIS DEFINITELY IS IN THAT MOLD. 
          UM, I THINK GIVEN HOW CRITICAL THIS IS TO SO MANY PEOPLE, UH, THE E EACH ONE OF THESE ITEMS CAN BE OPEN UP AND SEE WHAT'S BEHIND IT. 
          'CAUSE IF, IF IT'S, IF THE ANSWER IS COST HIGH, THEN WHY IS COST HIGH? YOU KNOW, JUST FOR EVERYONE WHO, WHO'S WHO, EVERYONE WHO LIVES IN ALL FIVE OF THOSE PLACES, EACH ONE OF THEM IF WOULD, WOULD KINDA LIKE, LIKE SEE BEHIND THE DOOR, WHAT IS HIGH COST, WHAT IS THE NOISE, WHAT IS THE, YOU KNOW, MM-HMM. 
          , UM, THAT MAY BE BENEFICIAL, 
          [01:25:01]
UH, TO SORT OF, YEAH. 
          SO IF I MAY, UH, IF, IF WE, UH, GO THAT DEEP ON THE COST SIDE OF IT, EACH SITE MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT COST. 
          SO THAT MAY BE ASKING FOR ESTIMATES. 
          WHAT WOULD IT COST TO BUILD? YEAH. 
          I MEAN, WE WANT TO, I'M JUST ASKING, DO YOU WANT US TO GO THAT DEEP FOR ESTIMATES TO GAIN THOSE COSTS? IF WE'RE LOOKING FOR THAT KIND OF DETAIL? YES. 
          YOU COULD EXPECT ME TO HAVE AN ANSWER THAT QUESTION, BUT I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. 
          WELL, I WOULD AT THE MOMENT BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S A, THERE'S A REASONABLENESS IN ANALYZING ANYTHING. 
          YEAH. 
          WE CAN GO TO THE NTH DEGREE OF IT AND TRY TO, YOU KNOW, JUST YES. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT GOES OVER THE TOP. 
          YES. 
          UM, THE OTHER EXTREME IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST HIGH, NOT HIGH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S HIGH OR NOT HIGH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE OTHER EXTREME. 
          SO, UM, AND THAT'S JUST ONE OF, ONE OF THE ITEMS IN GRID. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S WHERE I THINK I, I JUST HAVE AN IMPRESSION AND, AND, AND A SENSE THAT, THAT GETTING INTO MORE COMFORT ACROSS THE BOARD, NO MATTER WHICH ONE OF THOSE FIVE PLACES YOU HAPPEN TO LIVE IN, UM, MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA. 
          YOU WOULD, WOULD THAT ENTAIL HIRING AN OUTSIDE STUDY AGENCY TO, THAT'S BE, I MEAN, THAT'S MONEY SPENT THAT, NO, THAT WOULD NOT BE MY, MY GUT FEELING. 
          I FEEL LIKE, I FEEL LIKE PROBABLY ALREADY YOU'VE ALREADY DONE ALL OF THAT. 
          I MEAN, THERE, I WOULD HOPE YOU HAVE BEHIND ALL OF THESE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SO THESE, IT'S ALREADY THERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT'S, IT'S, IT'S MAYBE TAKING SOME TIME TO GET EVERYBODY THROUGH ALL OF THOSE RIGHT. 
          OF THOSE THINGS. 
          I, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, WELL, I JUST WANNA, I THROW THAT OUT THERE SO THAT THE, IF THE THOUGHT IS YOU WANT TO HAVE A, A TOTAL UNBIASED LOOK AT THIS, THAT WOULD BE THE WAY TO GO. 
          OR DO WE WANT TO DO THIS IN-HOUSE AND PEOPLE TRUST THE INFORMATION THEY'RE BEING GIVEN? I, I JUST WANT TO KNOW, 'CAUSE THIS IS CONTENTIOUS, AND ANY ONE OF THOSE SITES THAT WE SAY, OKAY, THE PEOPLE IN THAT AREA ARE GONNA FEEL THE SAME AS THE PEOPLE IN THIS AREA. 
          SO YOU'VE GOT, YOU'RE JUST MOVING THE PROBLEM. 
          I, I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK, I DON'T PERCEIVE BIAS. 
          NO, I'M NOT. 
          AND I'M NO, NO, IT'S NOT. 
          BUT I JUST WANNA SAY IT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IT'S SET. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, SO THEY, SO THIS YOU, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, UH, I, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN, IN, YOU KNOW, DECISION MAKING LIKE THIS. 
          AND WHEN YOU LAY OUT YOUR ARGUMENT AND YOU, YOU TAKE YOUR CRITERIA AND YOU EXPLAIN WHAT YOUR CRITERIA IS, PEOPLE STILL MAY NOT AGREE WITH, WITH THE DECISION AT THE END, BUT AT LEAST THEY SEE HOW YOU GOT THERE. 
          AND, UH, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU, YOU'VE GOT SOME FOLKS WHO, WHO WILL TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND SAY, YEAH, I SEE THAT YOU'VE GOT A SIX OVER THERE AND I SEE EXACTLY HOW YOU GIVE IT. 
          I JUST DON'T WANT IT. 
          I STILL DON'T WANT IT OVER HERE. 
          BUT THEY HAVE A TOUGH TIME TRYING TO ARGUE AGAINST THE CRITERIA THAT YOU USED TO, TO, TO GET THERE. 
          AND I THINK THAT THAT'S WITH DATA. 
          WITH DATA, YEAH. 
          WITH WITH, EXACTLY. 
          WITH DATA. 
          WITH DATA, YOU KNOW? YEAH. 
          'CAUSE EVEN HERE YOU HAVE NOISE EXPECTED, LOW TO MODERATE, EXPECTED LOW. 
          WELL, WHAT WERE YOUR MEASUREMENTS? YOU KNOW, THE PRESENTATION FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION ACTUALLY WENT INTO THAT. 
          UM, SO IT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA TO ADD SOME ADDITIONAL DETAILS FOR THAT AND GO OVER IT WITH THE OCTOBER WORK SESSION FOR THE BOARD. 
          'CAUSE THAT WOULD GIVE THEM, I CAN PROVIDE A LOT MORE DETAIL. 
          SO, YEAH, I MEAN, WITH THE NOISE, WE HAVE STANDARDS FOR THE DECIBEL. 
          SO TO BE CLEAR, I THINK THIS EVIDENCE IS A LOT OF STRUCTURE. 
          SO I, YOU KNOW, IT'S GREAT. 
          BUT, BUT I, I FEEL LIKE I'M SEEING THE END OF IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          I GENERALLY LIKE SEEING PRO THE PROCESS AND, UM, ANYWAY, I'M NOT, I I'M JUST REGISTERING THAT I, I THINK FOR, FOR THIS IS, THIS IS SUPER IMPORTANT. 
          SURE. 
          SO IT, IT, IT'S, THERE'S, THERE'S, AND IT'S NO RUSH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN CERTAINLY I, I AGREE. 
          I'M, I'M NOT IN A RUSH MYSELF. 
          UM, NO, I, AND I, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I, I'M TRYING TO TREAD LIGHTLY BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO BE PERCEIVED AS, YEAH. 
          AS, UH, UH, I DO NOT MIND, UH, GOING BACK INTO AND PROVIDING MORE DETAIL. 
          THIS, THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM. 
          UH, THAT'S, I, THAT STILL MAY NOT MEET EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE INDIVIDUALLY LOOKING FOR. 
          YOU MENTIONED A DOLLAR AMOUNT. 
          AND THEN WHEN I SAY, DO YOU WANT, UH, A, A, A QUOTE, THEN IT'S LIKE, WELL, NOT NECESSARILY. 
          SO I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHERE WE MEET. 
          UH, NO, I, I WOULDN'T BE EXPECTING. 
          I'M SORRY, I'M, I DON'T MEAN TO SPEAK FOR YOU, BUT NO, I'M, WHEN I LOOK AT COSTS, I'M NOT LOOKING AT GOING OUT AND GETTING QUOTES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I MEAN, YOU ASKED ME IF IT WAS $20,000, BUT I WOULDN'T KNOW. 
          I WOULDN'T 
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KNOW IF THERE'S A DOLLAR, WHAT THE SPECIFIC DOLLAR AMOUNT WOULD TO MOVE SO MUCH TIMBER ON THIS PROPERTY VERSUS THE TIMBER ON THIS PROPERTY VERSUS BRINGING DIRT ON THIS PROPERTY. 
          UH, SO MOVING THE DIRT, NO PROBLEM. 
          UH, BRINGING THE DIRT IN, REMOVING THE TIMBER, IT'S GOING TO BE, UH, COST INVOLVED IN THAT. 
          AND I'M NOT AN EXCAVATION GUY. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T, I'M NOT A TIMBER GUY. 
          I DON'T HAVE THAT. 
          SO TO, I CAN SEE ANYBODY, ANYBODY CAN GUESS THAT THAT MUCH TIMBER IS GONNA BE A CONSIDERABLE PROJECT. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT, BUT YOU CAN COME UP WITH, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO JUST AN ESTIMATE, GET A QUOTE, BUT YOU CAN GET SOME TYPE OF A, YOU KNOW, LIKE THUMBNAIL ESTIMATE AS TO YOU ALL THIS, ALL, WHAT ALL THIS BOILS DOWN TO IS, UM, KNOWING THAT THAT A PROCESS WAS FOLLOWED IS GOOD. 
          AND THERE'S CLEARLY STRUCTURE HERE. 
          YES, SIR. 
          UH, I THINK THAT THE, THE, THE NEXT STEP THAT WE COULD GO TO IS OPEN UP THE, THE BUCKET LID AND, AND LOOK INTO THE, TO THE PROCESS FOR, FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE. 
          I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I, I'M, I, I'M, YES. 
          NOT SURPRISED. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT. 
          THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. 
          THAT'S HOW I THINK WE GET TO THE LEAST CONTENTIOUS, MOST, UM, CONSCIOUS FREE VOTE IS TO SURE. 
          YOU KNOW, WE GOTTA DO THIS. 
          IT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING, IT'S GONNA BE SOMEWHERE, UM, MM-HMM. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          YEAH, NO PROBLEM. 
          I JUST WANNA, I JUST WANNA MEET YOUR, YOUR, UH, YEAH. 
          YOUR EXPECTATION, THAT'S ALL. 
          NO. 
          AND ONE QUESTION I HAVE, GO AHEAD, UH, WITH THE BOARD AND, AND I SEE HIS CRITERIA, BUT SHOULD WE CONSIDER ANY ECONOMIC ASSESSMENT, YOU KNOW, WITH PROPERTY VALUES GOING DOWN AND LOSING TAX REVENUE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDERED IN THIS? I'M JUST ASKING A QUESTION. 
          IT'S FINE TO CONSIDER THAT AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED. 
          YOU CAN THINK ABOUT IT. 
          YEAH. 
          , I'M, I JUST WANTED TO PUT IT OUT THERE, THERE, BECAUSE IT WAS BROUGHT UP IN ONE OF, DURING OUR PUBLIC COMMENTS AND, AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT I THOUGHT WAS SOMETHING WORTHWHILE TO CONSIDER IN MY DECISION, POSSIBLY. 
          AND I, THIS WILL JUST BE OFF THE WALL TOO, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, TO BE AN INTRACTABLE PROBLEM. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S NOWHERE WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH, WITH A, A NEED LIKE THIS ISN'T GONNA HAVE SOME NEGATIVE IMPACT ON SOME PROPERTY. 
          MM-HMM. 
           IF IT'S, YOU KNOW. 
          NO, THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          MAYBE THAT'S WHY MOST PLACES GO TO THE LANDFILLS 'CAUSE IT'S ALREADY HAD THE NEGATIVE IMPACT. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I JUST KNOW THAT, UM, SEEMS TO BE THE POPULAR PLACE TO PUT THEM. 
          UM, AND JUST A THOUGHT THAT CAME TO ME AND TRYING TO GET SOME ESTIMATES. 
          UM, WE HAVE, WHAT IS IT, TIMBERWORKS OR SOMETHING, AND SOME COMPANIES THAT DO TREE TREE REMOVAL ON LARGE SCALE, MAYBE YOU COULD FIGURE OUT AND SAY, OKAY, I'VE GOT X NUMBER OF ACRES OF TIMBER. 
          HOW MUCH IS AN ESTIMATE THAT WOULD COST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA THERE. 
          AND AS FAR AS THE OTHER, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I DO KNOW THERE'S A, I SEE IT ADVERTISED AND WHERE THEY'RE CLEARING LARGE SECTIONS OF LAND. 
          SO JUST A THOUGHT THERE. 
          SURE. 
          BECAUSE I WOULDN'T HAVE A CLUE EITHER TO HOW MUCH THAT WOULD COST. 
          NOTHING'S CHEAP. 
          THAT'S FOR, UM, SO I GUESS WE WILL REVISIT THIS WITH, UM, SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. 
          AND YES, I'LL BRING, I'LL BRING AS MUCH AS I CAN FOR YOU. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          WELL, WE APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING ON THIS. 
          YES SIR. 
          I'M HAPPY TO COME ANYTIME YOU ASK. 
          NO, WELL, WE WANT THE COMMUNITY TO KNOW WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING WE CAN TO PUT IT IN THE LEAST PLACE OF, OF CONFLICT. 
          A CONFLICT. 
          'CAUSE YOU KNOW, WE'RE NEVER GONNA GET AROUND. 
          NOT IN MY BACKYARD. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S  UNFORTUNATE. 
          LIKE I SAID, IF WE'D JUST KNOWN ABOUT CAMP SEVEN, IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN IN ANYBODY'S BACKYARD. 
          BUT THAT'S GONE. 
          THANK YOU FOR THIS. 
          I THINK IT'S, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THAT CONCLUDES OUR AGENDA. 
          AND IT'S STILL PLENTY OF TIME TO GET HOME AND POP YOUR POPCORN FOR THE DRAMA FOR TONIGHT. 
          , I, I WAS GONNA SAY THE SAME THING. 
          , THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING. 
          SAFE TRAVELS HOME. 
          SO, SO YESTERDAY WAS.
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