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[I. Call to Order]
FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO, TO REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY OF JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[III. Adoption of the Agenda]
ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA.MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE AGENDA AS PRESENTED.
[IV. Adoption of the Regular Meeting Minutes]
ADOPTION OF THE RECORD MEETING MINUTES.I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED THE MEETING MINUTES OF SEPTEMBER 11TH, 2024.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AS PRESENTED.
[V. Public Presentations]
PRESENTATIONS.OPPOSED PRESENTATIONS ARE ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT.
IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO BRING ANYTHING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S ATTENTION FOR THIS ALREADY.
SO WE'RE GOING, I I HAVE A SIGN SIGNUP SHEET.
I DIDN'T KNOW YOU HAD A SIGN UP.
YOU, UH, MR. HENRY, CAN YOU MENTION THEY HAVE THREE MINUTES? YES.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
PLEASE KEEP TO, UH, THREE MINUTES AND, UH, KEEP YOUR COMMENTS DIRECTED TOWARDS THE COMMISSION AND NOT TO THE AUDIENCE, PLEASE.
I LIVE AT 2 5 5 HARRIS DRIVE, FRONT ROYAL, VIRGINIA.
UM, I'VE, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET C CONTAINERS TO COME INTO OUR COMMUNITY 'CAUSE WE'RE IN A FLOOD ZONE, BUT FOR SOME UNKNOWN REASON, THEY DON'T WANNA ALLOW US TO HAVE 'EM.
I'VE BEEN DRIVING AROUND WARREN COUNTY LOOKING AROUND, SEE WHO'S GOT SEA CONTAINERS, WHO DOESN'T, THERE'S A CHURCH THAT'S GOT TWO OF 'EM ON THEIR PROPERTY RIGHT OFF HAPPY CREEK, JUST PAST, UM, CDO SHORES ROAD.
WHY CAN THEY HAVE THEM? AND WE CAN'T.
UM, THEY ALLOW, THEY HAVE ALLOWED TO, THEY HAVE ALLOWED US TO HAVE, UH, WOODEN BUILDINGS, 200 SQUARE FEET OR SMALLER WOOD FLOATS, SEA CONTAINERS.
YOU CAN GET 'EM WITH AIR, AIR VENTS IN THE TOP.
YOU CAN PAINT 'EM, WHATEVER COLOR YOU CAN PAINT 'EM GREEN.
SO, I WAS WONDERING, UH, COULD YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT ALLOWING US TO HAVE SEAT CONTAINERS IN OUR COMMUNITY? THAT'S IT.
MR. JENKINS, UH, PLEASE RESTATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
JOHN DIGGINS, 2 41 GILLET RIDGE ROAD, BENTONVILLE, VIRGINIA.
UH, HERE ONCE AGAIN TONIGHT, UH, ABOUT THE PROPOSED FRYING RANGE OUT IN BENTONVILLE.
UH, WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THIS FOR PROBABLY THE PAST FOUR MONTHS.
DOESN'T SEEM LIKE WE'RE GOING FORWARD.
WE'RE KIND OF GOING AROUND IN CIRCLES.
UH, AT ONE POINT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE APPROVED OR WHATEVER TO THE BOARD IN AUGUST.
SO, UH, A LOT OF TIMES WENT BY.
BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE COME IN.
THEY'VE SPOKEN ABOUT THE, UH, CERTAIN ISSUES.
A LOT OF ISSUES, UH, ARE ABOUT THE, UH, SAFETY OF THE RANGE.
AND WHAT I CAN'T FIGURE OUT IS WHY SOME, SOME INDIVIDUALS WITHIN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, SOME WITHIN THE COUNTY, WANT TO GO AHEAD AND PROCEED WITH PLACING THE RANGE AT THAT LOCATION.
UH, WITHOUT ADDRESSING THE SAFETY ISSUES.
I MEAN, THERE SHOULD BE A RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE WELFARE AND THE HEALTH, LIFE AND DEATH OF, UH, CITIZENS THAT ARE IN THAT AREA.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE DOING THAT TO BOOST THEIR CAREER OR TRY TO SHOW HOW POWERFUL THEY ARE WITHIN THE COUNTY.
UH, BUT THE CHANNEL VALLEY NATIONAL PARK IS, UH, 400 YARDS AWAY.
YOU GOT A NEIGHBOR THAT'S, THAT WANTS TO BUILD A HOME THERE, WHICH IS PROPER WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET AWAY.
AND MOST OF THE ROUNDS THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT USE CAN TRAVEL A MILE AND A HALF TO THREE MILES.
YOU, IF YOU FIRED A WEAPON, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT ACCURATE, BUT THEY CAN GO THAT DISTANCE.
SO WITH WARREN COUNTY, UH, BEING AWARE OF THAT, OF THE POTENTIAL DANGER, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY CONTINUE.
UM, IT'S LIKE THEY WANT TO, ARE
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THEY ACCEPTING THE RE RESPONSIBILITY IF SOMEONE GETS INJURED OR GETS OR DIES IN A, IN A GUNSHOT WOUND IN THAT AREA? AND WHAT ABOUT THE LIABILITY, UH, OF, OF ALL OF THAT? YOU KNOW, THE INSURANCE COMPANIES THAT HANDLE THE COUNTY'S BUSINESS, THE INSURANCE COMPANY THAT HANDLED THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, THEY, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A LIABILITY INSURANCE COMPANY IN THE EVENT OF ANY TYPE OF, UH, ACCIDENT INCIDENT AT, I'M AWARE OF TWO LEGAL, UH, ACTIVITIES THAT ARE GOING ON NOW AGAINST THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT WORTH MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.THEY HAVEN'T COME TO COURT YET, BUT IF THIS SHOULD GET PASSED AND PLACED IN THAT AREA WITH THE PROXIMITY TO THEANO CHANNEL PARK AND THAT AREA IS A FEDERAL, UH, WILDERNESS THAT'S PROTECTED.
SO HOW CAN IT BE THAT CLOSE? I MEAN, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE WAS A WHOLE LOT OF INVESTIGATING TO LOOK AT OTHER AREAS TO BEGIN WITH.
YOU'LL NEED TO, THIS, THIS AREA WAS SELECTED FROM DAY ONE AND WAS BOUGHT BEFORE THE BOARD ON JUNE THE 12TH AT THIS COMMISSION, COMMISSION OFFICE WITHOUT EVER GOING BEFORE THE PUBLIC.
THE BOARD, NO ONE, ONE OR TWO PEOPLE MADE THAT DECISION.
JOHN SWENSON, JOHN SWENSON, 2 0 8 GILET RIDGE ROAD.
MY BACK OF MY PROPERTY IS ABOUT 300 YARDS DIRECTLY WHERE YOU TURN INTO THE GUN RANGE.
OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS, I'VE PROBABLY TALKED TO QUITE A FEW PEOPLE OUT OF THE, AROUND THE COUNTY IN TOWN, OTHER PLACES ABOUT THIS SITUATION.
AND MOST OF 'EM, THE MAJORITY IS THEIR REACTION WAS THE SAME.
WHY WOULD THEY WANT TO PUT THAT THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL THESE FAMILIES? AND I FEEL THAT IF THE SHERIFFS, I EVEN FEEL IF SOME OF THE SHERIFF DEPUTIES COULD HAVE THEIR OPINIONS WITHOUT ANY FEAR OF RETRIBUTION, THERE MIGHT BE QUITE A FEW THAT WOULD FEEL THE SAME WAY.
AND I THINK THAT FOR THE SHERIFFS TO BE SAYING, THIS IS THE ONLY PLACE WE GOT IS A VERY DEFEATIST ATTITUDE.
I THINK WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS IT'S TOO MUCH WORK TO TRY TO COME UP WITH A BETTER SOLUTION.
AND LASTLY, I WANNA SHARE THIS STORY WITH YOU.
MONDAY EVENING, OUR 3-YEAR-OLD GRANDSON WHO LIVES WITH US, WITH HIS MOM AND DAD WAS RIDING HIS LITTLE TRACTOR AROUND IN OUR BACKYARD.
I STEPPED OUT THERE AND SAID, IT'S TIME TO COME IN.
YOU NEED TO PULL YOUR TRACTOR INTO THE GARAGE.
I WALKED BACK THROUGH THE GARAGE, OPENED THE DOOR, AND HE'S STANDING THERE CRYING.
AND I ASKED HIM WHAT WAS WRONG AND HE SAID, SOMEBODY'S SHOOTING.
AND WHEN I WENT IN THERE TO TELL HIS MOM AND DAD, I COULD SEE THEY HAD THE SAME REACTION.
AND THIS WAS THE FIRST PERSONAL EXPERIENCE I HAD OF WHAT THE POSSIBILITIES COULD BE.
IF THIS THING IS PUT THERE, I THINK IT'S JUST GONNA TURN INTO A BUNCH OF LAWSUITS AND WHO KNOWS WHAT.
AND IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST NOT RIGHT.
I LIVE AT 7 23 JENNINGS LANE, BENTONVILLE, VIRGINIA.
I'D LIKE THE TWO GENTLEMEN THAT WERE HERE BEFORE ME.
I'M HERE TO KIND OF EXPRESS MY DISPLEASURE WITH THE POTENTIAL OF THE RANGE BEING SO CLOSE TO MY HOUSE.
UNFORTUNATELY, I HAVEN'T SEEN THE SITUATION WORK OUT WHERE IT MADE SENSE FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.
NAMELY WHO SET UP THE PERIMETER OF THE ONE MILE TO EVEN TELL US IT WAS HAPPENING THAT WASN'T DONE WELL.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CRITERIA WAS FOR PICKING THAT SPOT AND MARKING THE NUMBERS AND LETTING US KNOW.
BUT WE ALL HAD TO HEAR IT FROM MY WORD OF MOUTH QUITE FRANKLY.
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, WHEN I LOOKED AND SAW SOME OF THE MATERIALS THAT WERE UH, PRESENTED BY THE BOARD AT OTHER LOCATIONS AROUND THE COUNTY, WHAT I DID NOT SEE WAS A USE FACTOR.
AND TO ME A USE FACTOR IS, WELL, DOES THIS SITE ALREADY HAVE USE? HAS IT HAD HISTORICAL USE? WHAT IS THE BURDENS ON THE
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RESIDENTS OF THOSE USES? SO WE HAD A LANDFILL.WE DON'T HAVE A LANDFILL ANYMORE 'CAUSE WE'VE MOVED TOWARDS A TRANSFER STATION, BUT THE LANDFILL LEFT BEHIND A METHANE GAS ISSUE THAT'S STILL MONITORED UP THERE.
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS RIGHT, GO DOWN BENTONVILLE ROAD, YOU SEE THE HOSES ALL THE TIME AND YOU'LL SEE PEOPLE GOING THERE MONITORING THAT.
SO WE HAD A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
WE ALSO HAVE THE LARGEST TRANSFER, UH, TRANSFER STATION IN THE ENTIRE COUNTY.
THAT TRANSFER STATION IS GOING, OH, IT'S THE LARGEST BY FAR.
THERE'S A SMALL ONE OVER BY RIVERTON AND THERE'S A SMALLER ONE, BUT WE ARE THE LARGEST ONE.
NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL ONES, WE HAVE COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC RUNNING THROUGH THERE.
AND NOT ONLY THAT, BUT THEY GET STARTED RELATIVELY EARLY.
WHEN YOU ALL HEAR BIRDS CHIRPING IN THE MORNING, I HEAR TRUCKS IN THE MORNING AND I HEAR BACKUP LIGHTS ALL THE TIME.
SO WE HAVE A VERY ACTIVE ROADWAY ON BENTONVILLE ROAD.
WE HAVE A VERY ACTIVE TRANSFER STATION THAT'S GOING ALL THE TIME.
SO YOU'RE ASKING NOW TO PUT IN ONE MORE ACTIVITY IN THERE WHEN THIS PART OF THE COUNTY'S BEEN WORKING PRETTY HARD AT KIND OF FACILITATING THOSE ACTIVITIES HISTORICALLY AND CURRENTLY.
SO THEREFORE, IN YOUR FUNCTIONALITY OF WHICH SPOT DO WE CHOOSE, LET'S GO FOR FAIRNESS, LET'S LOOK AT USE.
LET'S LOOK AT HISTORICAL AND CURRENT AND LET'S USE THAT AS A DECIDING FACTOR AS WELL.
PEOPLE OF BENTONVILLE AND THE PEOPLE IN AND AROUND THAT PROPOSED GUN RANGE HAVE PUT UP WITH A LOT.
WE SEE GARBAGE ON THE ROAD, WE SEE BIG TRUCKS ON THE ROAD.
WE'RE GONNA HEAR GUNSHOTS NOW MORE TIMES THAN WE WANNA EVER HEAR 'EM BEFORE.
SO WITH THAT, I WOULD ASK RESPECTFULLY THAT YOU CONSIDER THOSE ACT ACTIVITIES THAT WE ALREADY HAVE AND HISTORICALLY MAINTAINED AND USE THAT AS SOME GUIDANCE ON WHERE OTHER POTENTIAL SITES SHOULD REALLY GO.
PEOPLE HAVEN'T HAD THAT OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE THE WEALTH OF SPONSORING SOMETHING FOR THE COUNTY.
THAT IS FOR ANYONE ELSE THAT DID NOT SIGN UP, WOULD LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, UM, ON ANY PLANNING, RELATIVE PLANNING ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ALREADY
OH, ARE YOU COMING FORWARD? YES.
I DON'T LIVE NEAR, NEAR BENTONVILLE, BUT I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND I WOULDN'T WANT A SHOOTING RANGE ANYWHERE NEAR WHERE I LIVE.
AND I THINK WE SHOULD DEFINITELY CONSIDER FINDING A BETTER LOCATION.
'CAUSE I WOULD HATE TO HEAR GUNSHOTS EARLY IN THE MORNING OR ALL DAY LONG AND HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT KIND OF A THING WHERE I'D LIKE TO JUST ENJOY PEACE AND QUIET.
AND I HOPE YOU'LL CONSIDER SOME OTHER LOCATION.
I ELSE YOU'VE ALREADY SPOKEN ONCE.
I DON'T GET TWO SHOTS, DIFFERENT SUBJECT.
WOW, IT'S A DIFFERENT SUBJECT.
WELL, IT'S JUST ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT DID NOT SIGN UP THAT HAS NOT ALREADY SPOKEN? IT WOULD'VE, UH, LIKE SEEING NO ONE COME FORWARD.
I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PRESENTATION AND WE'LL MOVE
[VI.A. CUP2024-09-01 - Jennifer Wynn (Beau Whiteman & Jerry Morant) - Short-Term Tourist Rental - A request for a conditional use permit for a Short-Term Tourist Rental. The property is located at 198 Sunrise Lane and is identified on tax map 27D, section 3, as lot G. The property is zoned ResidentialOne (R-1) and is located in the Junewood Estates subdivision in the Fork Magisterial District. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator]
ON TO PUBLIC HEARING, HEARING WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO THERE.SEE HERE, CUP 20 24 0 9 0 1 JENNIFER WIND, UH, SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORT TERM RENTAL.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1 98 SUNSHINE LANE AND IS IDENTIFIED ON MAP 20.
THE PROPERTY IS RESIDENTIAL R ONE AND IS LOCATED IN THE JUNE WITH ESTATE SUBDIVISION IN FORT MATCH STEREO DISTRICT MR. LAMB.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL ON BEHALF OF THE CURRENT OWNERS WHO PURCHASED THE PROPERTY IN SEPTEMBER OF 2021.
THE OWNERS WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR SHORT-TERM LODGING FOR TOURISTS AND VISITORS OF THE WARREN COUNTY AREA.
THE APPLICANT WILL SERVE AS THE LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGER BY HELPING TO OVERSEE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE, CLEANING AND THE BOOKING OF RENTAL REQUESTS.
MENTIONED THIS PROPERTY IS IN THE JUNE WOOD ESTATE SUBDIVISIONS AND RESIDENTIAL ONE.
UH, THERE ARE CURRENTLY FIVE ACTIVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS FOR SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTALS FOR PROPERTIES IN THE JUNE WOOD ESTATE SUB SUBDIVISION.
UH, THEY DO HAVE AN HOA DOWN THERE.
WE REQUESTED COMMENTS, UH, BUT WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANYTHING IN RESPONSE, UH, TO THAT REQUEST.
UH, THERE'S A HEALTH DEPARTMENT
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OPERATION PERMIT THAT APPROVES A MAXIMUM OF SIX OCCUPANTS FOR THE THREE BEDROOM DWELLING.UH, THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN.
IT'S BEEN REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING STAFF WITH THE LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGER BEING LOCATED WITHIN THE REQUIRED 30 MILES DISTANCE FROM THE PROPERTY.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A WAIVER TO THE 100 FOOT SETBACK REGULATION AS THE DWELLING DOES NOT MEET THIS SETBACK.
UH, THE NEAREST NEIGHBORING RESIDENCE LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 60 FEET TO THE EAST OF THE DWELLING ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
UH, HOWEVER, THE OWNERS HAVE PROVIDED A LETTER, A WRITTEN LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM THE NEIGHBOR WITHIN THE 100 FOOT SETBACK.
IT WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKETS.
UM, SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
CONDITION NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.
NUMBER TWO, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED THE SYSTEM CAPACITY AS DETERMINED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT PER WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION 180 DASH 56.4 B.
THE CERTIFICATE OF ZONING SHALL ONLY BE ISSUED WITH APPROVED HEALTH DEPARTMENT RECORDS.
NUMBER THREE, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE WELL WATER TESTED ANNUALLY FOR E COLI AND COLIFORM BACTERIA AND A COPY OF THE RESULTS SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO PLANNING AND HEALTH DEPARTMENTS.
NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM MAINTAINED ANNUALLY BY A LICENSED OPERATOR AS REQUIRED FOR AN ALTERNATIVE ONSITE SEWAGE DISPOSAL SYSTEM.
THE APPLICANT SHALL ALSO HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM PUMPED EVERY FIVE YEARS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND A COPY OF THE SERVICE INVOICE SHALL BE PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
AND NUMBER FIVE, SHOULD YOU CHOOSE, CHOOSE TO, UH, RECOMMEND A WAIVER OF THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT, A WAIVER TO THE REQUIRED SETBACK OF 100 FEET TO NEIGHBORING DWELLING SHALL BE GRANTED FOR THE EXISTING 60 FOOT SETBACK TO THE DWELLING EAST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.
ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US.
WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING TO MR THEY THERE BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING? UH, JENNIFER WYNN, 1 4 9 SOUTH BUNK STREET IN STRASSBURG.
JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT I, UM, AM MANAGING THREE OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT'S ALL GOING WELL.
THE OWNERS USE THIS PROPERTY QUITE A BIT, SO IT WON'T BE LIKE A FULL-TIME.
IT'S REALLY JUST, YOU KNOW, AN OCCASIONAL SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
AND, UM, THE NEIGHBORS TO THE EAST THAT HE'S SPEAKING OF, THEY'RE GOOD FRIENDS AND YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNICATION HAS BEEN THERE.
THEY'RE ALL ON BOARD WITH WHAT IT IS WE WANT TO DO WITH SHORT-TERM RENTAL TERM RENTAL.
AND I'M HERE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
UM, WITH THAT I'D LIKE TO OPEN THE, UM, PUBLIC HEARING.
DO WE HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP? NO, WE DO.
IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD CARE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST ALL? IF YOU WOULD PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORDS AND THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT PLEASE.
MY ADDRESS IS 1 93 ARTHUR BURKE LANE.
JUNE WOOD ESTATES, UH, HERE IN FRONT ROYAL.
UM, I'M A NOT A DIRECT NEIGHBOR TO THIS HOME.
HOWEVER, I DO LIVE AND OWN THE ROADS THAT GO IN AND OUT OF THERE.
AND WE DO HAVE TO MAINTAIN ALL OF OUR ROADS AND WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT.
I ALSO HAVE CHILDREN THAT PLAY THERE.
THE NEIGHBORS HAVE CHILDREN THAT PLAY THERE.
AND WE ALREADY HAVE ABOUT FIVE OF THESE SHORT TERM RENTALS IN OUR AREA.
AND TO BE QUITE HONEST WITH YOU, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE JUST NOT A VERY GOOD THING FOR AN AREA THAT WAS ADVERTISED AS A PRIVATE HOMES, ESTATES, PATIO, HOMES, UH, JUST, JUST NOT, UH, KEEPING WITH THE SAME THINGS WE HAVE THERE.
I'M SURE THE CURRENT RESIDENTS, THEY'RE GREAT PEOPLE THAT THEY, THEY WOULD MAINTAIN IT AS YOU'VE ASKED THEM TO, BUT, UM, WE DON'T NEED THE EXTRA TRAFFIC.
WE DON'T NEED THE EXTRA PEOPLE THAT WE DON'T KNOW, UH, COMING IN AND OUT OF OUR RETIREMENT AREA IN THE AREA THAT MY GRANDCHILDREN PLAY IN AND THAT MY NEIGHBOR'S KIDS PLAY IN.
IS THERE, UH, ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS? I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION BECAUSE I WANNA SPEAK ON THE CAMPGROUND SIDE ISSUE OF THIS AND CAN I SPEAK ON BOTH? YOU CAN SPEAK ON BOTH BECAUSE THEY'RE, UH, ITEMIZED ON THE AGENDA.
I, UH, MY NAME IS DANIEL ELLIOT.
I LIVE AT TWO 50 ARTHUR BURKE LANE IN THE JUNE WOOD ESTATES.
AND I'VE, UH, RECENTLY BEEN ELECTED THE, UH, HOA PRESIDENT OF THE JUNE WOOD ESTATES, UH, HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.
UM, I RISE FOR THIS SPECIFIC ISSUE IN SUPPORT OF THE AIRBNB.
I FEEL THAT IT IS A, UH, VALUE ATTITUDE, NOT ONLY THE COMMUNITY, BUT TO ALSO TO THE LOCAL ECONOMY.
I FEEL THAT, UH, TOURISM IS A DRIVING FORCE IN OUR ECONOMY AND IT'S AN IMPORTANT ASPECT OF THAT.
AND BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE ALTERNATIVE MEANS INSTEAD OF JUST MOTELS OR HOTELS.
I THINK THE AIRBNB EXPERIENCE IS A WONDERFUL ONE.
UH, IT GIVES, YOU KNOW, A VERY PERSONAL FEEL FOR IT.
UM, WE'RE CLOSE PERSONAL FRIENDS WITH THE OWNERS OF THIS
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PROPERTY.UM, THEY ARE MOST OF THE TIME AS, AS THEIR MANAGER SAID, UM, AT THE PROPERTY AS WELL.
SO THIS WOULDN'T BE LIKE A FULL-TIME RENTAL.
UM, IT WOULD BE VERY, UH, USED, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY'RE NOT, UM, AT THE PROPERTY.
SO, UM, I JUST WANTED TO STAND IN SUPPORT OF, OF THAT MOTION.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE SEEING ONE? NO, NO ONE ELSE COME FORWARD.
WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ALL.
WOULD THE OWNER LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING? APPLICANT RATHER? YES, I'M ALLOWED, YES.
YOU'RE ALLOWED TO REBUTTAL? YES.
YOU KNOW, I, I APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, THE COMING UP AND TALKING ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE COMPLAINT AND, UM, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WAS ALSO, THERE'S A LOT OF, THESE ARE A LOT OF LIKE SECOND HOMES.
THERE'S REALLY NOT A LOT OF FAMILY HOMES PEOPLE AS FAR AS THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE THERE.
A LOT OF THEM ARE SHORT TERM OR THEY'RE JUST A SECOND HOME AND WE DON'T FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO EXTRA TRAFFIC.
'CAUSE IF THE OWNERS AREN'T THERE, THEN WE DON'T HAVE, THEN THE GUEST IS THERE.
SO, UM, WE DO IN OUR DIRECTIONS TO ALL RESIDENTS, WE ASK THEM TO DRIVE SLOW BECAUSE IT IS A DIRT ROAD AND WE WANNA KEEP THE DUST DOWN.
SO WE TELL THEM THAT RIGHT BEFORE THEY EVEN ARRIVE.
THEY HAVE TO DRIVE REAL SLOW THROUGH THERE TO KEEP THE DUST DOWN.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE NEVER HAD AN ISSUE WITH, WITH ANY OF OUR OTHER GUESTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
EVERYBODY'S POLITE AND DRIVING SLOW AND THEY TAKE CARE OF THE PROPERTY.
WE CHECK IT BEFORE, WE CHECK IT AFTER WE REALLY MANAGE IT PRETTY GOOD.
OH, COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS.
THE LANDSCAPING ON THE MAP THAT, UH, THE GIS SHOWS THERE'S NO TREES BETWEEN THE TWO HOMES.
IS THAT STILL THE CURRENT CONDITION? YEAH, I BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT.
UH, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY TREES OR ANYTHING IN BETWEEN THE, THE HOUSES THERE, THERE, THERE HAVE THEIR TREES PLANTED THERE.
WHAT SIZE TREES? ONE INCH CALIBER OR A REAL TREE? THEY'RE FAST.
UM, REALLY THEY'RE SOME KIND OF EVERGREEN.
EVERGREEN? YEAH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE EVERGREEN.
AND IS THAT HOUSE THAT CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE AS THE GIS SUGGEST? YEAH.
SO, UM, WHEN, UH, WE FIRST MADE THIS MAP, I ASKED THE GIS COORDINATOR TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND, UH, HE, HE LOOKED AT, UH, HOW THE RIGHT OF WAY LINED UP WITH WHERE THE ROAD ACTUALLY IS AND EVERYTHING.
AND HE, HE COULDN'T MAKE IT ANY BETTER
UM, IT IS NOT, THE LOT LINES THAT YOU SEE IN THE LOCATION MAP ARE NOT PERFECT.
UM, YOU'D NEED TO REFER TO THE PLATS TO GET THE EXACT, UH, DISTANCES.
THE, ALL THE DRIVEWAY, THE, THE, THE WITH OUR WHOLE COMPUTER SYSTEM NOT WORKING EXACTLY RIGHT.
I DIDN'T GET EVERY PIECE OF INFORMATION ON THAT.
YOU SAID YOU DID GET A LETTER IN SUPPORT FROM THE NEIGHBOR TO WAIVE THE SETBACK? YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT.
UH, THE DIRECT NEIGHBOR THAT'S WITHIN THE SETBACK, 60 FEET TO THE EAST, UH, SUBMITTED A LETTER OF SUPPORT, UH, WITH THE APPLICATION.
AND THE NAME ON THE LETTER DOES MATCH THE TAX RECORD.
UH, I I WAS GONNA SAY, UH, THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY WHO CAME UP TO SPEAK.
UM, IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE WAS ALREADY A COUPLE OF, UM, SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, UM, I GUESS A QUESTION FOR STAFF HAVE, HAVE YOU RECEIVED ANY COMPLAINTS, UH, ABOUT ANY OF THEM IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD? UH, I HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY CITIZEN COMPLAINTS.
I'VE GOT ONE THAT'S, UH, BEHIND ON THEIR, THEIR TAXES.
BUT
UH, SO, YOU KNOW, TO TO THE TRAFFIC POINT, UM, SHORT-TERM RENTALS GENERATE LESS TRAFFIC THAN A FULL-TIME RESIDENT.
UM, SO BY HAVING SHORT TERM RENTERS THERE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE AS MANY TRIPS AS IF A LONG TERM RESIDENT IS THERE EVERY DAY.
AND THEN I WOULD ALSO JUST REMIND YOU THAT YOU CAN ALWAYS REACH OUT TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT FOR ANY COMPLAINTS.
WE HAVE A NEW REPORTING SYSTEM AND SO IF THERE'S EVER AN ISSUE, THAT'S THE, THE WAY TO ADDRESS IT AND THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT CAN ALWAYS BE REVOKED.
SO, UM, WITH THAT, UM, MR. CHAIR, I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST OF JENNIFER WYNN FOR A SHORT TERM
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TAURUS RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT, IT'LL, UH, CARRY ON TOWARD BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
[VI.B. CUP2024-09-02- Balachander Rajasekaran - Short-Term Tourist Rental - A request for a conditional use permit for a Short-Term Tourist Rental. The property is located at 377 Avalon Drive and is identified on tax map 20C, section 1, block 2, as lot 21. The property is zoned Residential-One (R-1) and is located in the Shenandoah River Estates subdivision in the Shenandoah Magisterial District. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator]
HEARING, CUP 20 24 0 9 0 2 VONDRA RAJA CHARAN.OH, SHORT TERM TER RENTAL REQUEST FOR FOR JUDICIAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 3 77 AVALON DRIVE AND IS IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 20 C SECTION ONE, BLOCK TWO IS LOT 21.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL R ONE AND IS LOCATED IN THE SHEOR RIVER ESTATE'S SUBDIVISION IN THEORIAL MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY HE PURCHASED THIS PAST AUGUST.
THE OWNER WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR SHORT-TERM LODGING FOR TOURISTS AND VISITORS OF THE WARREN COUNTY AREA.
THE APPLICANT WILL RETAIN A LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGER TO HELP OVERSEE MAINTENANCE AND CLEANING.
UH, PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE SHENANDOAH RIVER ESTATE SUBDIVISIONS AND RESIDENTIAL ONE.
UH, THE DWELLING ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1972 AND SO IT'S NON-CONFORMING TO THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT OF 50 FEET FROM THE EDGE OF THE REGULATORY FLOODWAY INTO THE SIDE YARD SETBACK REQUIREMENT OF 15 FEET.
UH, FOR THE RESIDENTIAL ONE DISTRICT, UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED ENTIRELY WITHIN THE REGULATORY FLOODWAY.
AND SO IF THE DWELLING WERE SUBSTANTIALLY DAMAGED BY A FLOOD OR FIRE, IT COULD NOT BE RECONSTRUCTED PER THE FLOODPLAIN ORDINANCE REGULATIONS.
AND IF APPROVED, THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT ISSUED FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL WITHIN THE SHENANDOAH RIVER STATE SUBDIVISION.
UH, MANY OF THE DWELLINGS ALONG THE RIVERSIDE OF AVALON DRIVE ARE CURRENTLY USED AS SECOND HOMES FOR OWNERS WHO PRIMARILY LIVE ELSEWHERE IN THE COUNTY OR OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTY.
A SETBACK VARIANCE WAS PREVIOUSLY GRANTED IN 2019 FOR THIS PROPERTY, WHICH ALLOWED A, UH, CARPORT, UH, TO BE IN THE FRONT YARD OF, OF THE PROPERTY OPPOSITE THE RIVER.
UH, THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT PROVES A MAXIMUM OF FOUR OCCUPANTS FOR THE FOUR BEDROOM DWELLING.
UH, THE PROP OR THE UH, PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN HAS BEEN PROVIDED AND REVIEWED BY PLANNING STAFF, UH, THE APPLICANT.
UH, LAST I CHECKED, THE APPLICANT IS IN THE PROCESS OF SELECTING A LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGER PRIMARILY LOCATED WITHIN 30 MILES OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, AND HE'LL ADD THIS INFORMATION ONCE HE HAS MADE A SELECTION.
I'LL LET HIM UPDATE YOU OTHERWISE.
UH, WE DID REQUEST COMMENTS FROM THE SHENANDOAH RIVER STATE CIVIC ASSOCIATION.
WE DID NOT RECEIVE A RESPONSE TO THAT REQUEST.
UH, AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A WAIVER TO THE 100 FOOT SETBACK REGULATION.
UH, THERE ARE ACTUALLY TWO DWELLINGS SITUATED WITHIN THE A HUNDRED FEET.
ONE IS JUST 12 FEET, UH, TO THE EAST OF THE DWELLING ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND ANOTHER IS 85 FEET TO THE EAST OF THE DWELLING ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
UH, AND, UH, SINCE THE TIME THAT I PREPARED THE STAFF REPORT, THE APPLICANT WAS ABLE TO ACQUIRE A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM BOTH NEIGHBORS, UH, WITHIN THAT SETBACK.
UH, AND THEY'RE BOTH, BOTH DWELLINGS WITHIN THE A HUNDRED FEET ARE, UH, USED AS SECOND HOMES, UH, BY OWNERS, PRIMARILY LOCATED OUTSIDE OF WARREN COUNTY.
UH, SO IT IS, UH, IDENTICAL CONDITIONS FOR THE FIRST THREE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.
UH, CONDITION NUMBER FOUR, SINCE THERE IS A CONVENTIONAL SYSTEM ON THE PROPERTY READS, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM SERVICED EVERY FIVE YEARS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, AND A COPY OF THE SERVICE INVOICE SHALL BE PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
AND NUMBER FIVE, SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO RECOMMEND A WAIVER OF THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT, A WAIVER TO THE REQUIRED SETBACK OF 100 FEET FROM NEIGHBORING DWELLING SHALL BE GRANTED FOR THE EXISTING 12 FOOT AND 85 FOOT SETBACKS FROM THE DWELLINGS EAST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED, UM, AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US, I WILL NOTE THAT WE DID RECEIVE A, A LATE LETTER, UH, REGARDING THIS AND A HARD COPY SHOULD HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO YOU AT YOUR SPOT THERE.
WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING TO MR. LIN'S COMMENTS? SO, I'M BALA BALA RAJA SHERIN.
SO I SPOKE PERSONALLY TO BOTH THE NEIGHBORS AND, UH, IT'S NOT IN FULL USE IF THEY'RE USING IT AS A SECONDARY RESIDENCE.
AND THEY GAVE ME THEIR FULL BLESSING TO DO THE SHORT TERM RENTAL.
UM, SO I BASICALLY, I WANTED TO, UH, I HAVE ESTABLISHED A PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN TO MAKE SURE ALL THE RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE COUNTY AS WELL AS OUR COMMUNITY BOARD WILL BE HIRED TO.
UH, THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO STATE.
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THE PUBLIC HEARING.DO WE HAVE A SIGNUP SHEET? YES, WE DO.
MY NAME'S JAY NEWELL, 2 5 5 HARRIS DRIVE, FRONT ROYAL VIRGINIA.
THIS MAN, UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE SHORT TERM RENTAL.
I'D PREFER HIM, WE HAD A, LIKE, UH, WE HAD RENTAL PEOPLE THAT MOVED IN FOR ABOUT A YEAR.
THEY TURNED OUT TO BE A METH HOUSE.
WE HAD POLICE COMING DOWN EVERY FRIGGING DAY, THREE TIMES A DAY, ARRESTING PEOPLE OUTTA THE HOUSE, ARRESTING THEM ALL UP AND DOWN HAPPY CREEK.
WE HAD TO FORCE 'EM OUT, GIVE THEM WARNINGS, YOU KNOW, GIVE 'EM 30 DAY NOTICE AND VICTIM THEM.
SO NOW WE'RE DOING SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT I'VE SEEN COME IN, WE HAVE SHORT-TERM RENTALS THAT ARE ILLEGAL IN OUR COMMUNITY.
NOBODY SEEMS TO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
SO THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS MAN DOING IT LEGALLY.
AND MAYBE EVERYBODY WILL FOLLOW SUIT.
UM, WE ARE A CIVIC ASSOCIATION SO THEY DON'T, DON'T HAVE ANY PHYSICAL AUTHORITY TO TELL ANYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY WHAT THEY CAN OR CAN'T DO.
LET'S SEE, WE ALREADY SAID THAT.
I'D LOVE TO HAVE SHORT TERM RENTALS.
YOUR, YOUR ADDRESS NOW, THE HOUSE YOU OWN ON AVALON, WHAT'S THE ADDRESS OF THAT HOUSE? DO YOU HAVE A HOUSE? I HAVE A, A LOT, A LOT.
A RIVER LOT A AND Y'ALL, SO YOU GOT A VACANT LOT NEXT TO HIM? I'M SORRY? YOU GOT THE VACANT LOT? YES.
AND Y'ALL PERMITTED ME TO HAVE A SHORT-TERM RENTAL ON MY PROPERTY.
HE MUST HAVE PRIVATE USE CAMP.
THAT'S A PRIVATE USE CAMPAIGN.
AND HE DOES OWN A HOME, UH, AT 2 55 HARRIS DRIVE.
WELL PROBABLY A NUMBER OF LOTS.
I HAVE LOT 20, BUT THE ONE LOT IS FOR PRIVATE USE CAMPING.
THE OTHER LOT IS HIS DOMICILE.
THE ADDRESS YOU GAVE ME, I'M LOOKING HERE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH ED SINCLAIR.
I SIGNED UP FOR THE WRONG SLOT.
I WANNA SPEAK TO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
CHAIS, I THINK YOU GOT MY LETTER, BUT I'LL READ IT TO GET IT IN THE PUBLIC STATE.
YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS TOO, PLEASE.
I STILL LIVE AT 6 46 HARRIS DRIVE.
I'M AGAINST ANY COMMERCIAL USE IN THE NANDO RIVER STATE SUBDIVISION.
UM, I BROUGHT IN A THING THAT SHOWED THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ONLY.
THAT'S WHAT MOST OF THE PEOPLE THOUGHT WHEN THEY BOUGHT THERE.
I'M VERY WORRIED ABOUT AN ADDED ROAD USE, EXTRA TRAFFIC COMING ON THE ROAD.
THE ONLY ROAD THAT WE CAN TRAVEL TO GET TO SHENANDOAH RIVER ESTATES IS A TWO AND A HALF TO THREE MILE DIRT ROAD, WHICH IS JUST A EASEMENT THROUGH AN ACTIVE CATTLE FIELD AT NIGHT.
BLACK COWS OFTEN ARE ASLEEP IN THE ROAD.
INEXPERIENCED DRIVERS THAT DON'T KNOW THE AREA WOULD BE A HAZARD TO BE JUST TRAVELING AND NOT EXPECT TO SEE A COW ASLEEP IN THE ROAD BECAUSE IT'S ONLY ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT.
IF ONE PERSON HAS AN ACCIDENT, WE'RE STUCK.
WE CAN'T GET IN, WE CAN'T GET OUT.
I THINK THE TRAFFIC IS DEFINITELY A CONCERN IN THAT AREA.
UM, THERE'S ALSO A, THE WATER FOR THIS PROPERTY AND ALL THE PROPERTIES OVER THERE IS A STATE RUN WATER SYSTEM.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ALLOW COMMERCIAL USE ON A RESIDENTIAL WATER SYSTEM.
I HOPE WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT BEFORE IT'S APPROVED BECAUSE, 'CAUSE IT WOULD DEFINITELY AFFECT IF THE WATERS RUN OUT OR IF THEY DON'T KNOW THE RULES AND REGULATIONS FOR THE WATER.
AND THEY JUST HAPPENED TO BE THERE FOR THE WEEKEND.
I THINK THEY DO ADD A LOT OF TRAFFIC.
I'M SURE ONE OF YOU JUST SAID THEY ADD LESS.
THEY DON'T KNOW HOW, WHERE THE TURNS ARE IN THE ROAD AT NIGHT.
I THINK IT'S VERY DANGEROUS AND I HOPE THEY'LL CONSIDER NOT APPROVING THIS.
RUSSELL JONES? I'M NOT ON THAT ONE EITHER.
I WAS ON THE OTHER ONE THAT I SPOKE ABOUT.
WELL, I HAVE YOU LISTED ON THIS ONE.
DO YOU NOT WANNA SPEAK ABOUT IT? THIS IS NUMBER TWO, RIGHT? YES.
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OKAY, THEN THAT WOULD BE THE END OF THE LIST.IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT DID NOT SIGN UP THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST SEEING NO ONE COME FORWARD TO CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING.
ALL THERE? I, THERE IS SOME CONCERN ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, SOME UNCERTAINTY, BUT, UH OH.
IT IS, IT IS A PROVEN, UH, MATHEMATICAL FACT THAT THESE SHORT TERM RENTALS VERY RARELY RENT 365 DAYS A YEAR.
WHERE IS A PERMANENT RESIDENCE THAT LIVES THERE EVERY DAY, WILL TRAVEL IN AND OUT EVERY SINGLE DAY THAT THEY'RE, THAT THEY LIVE THERE.
SO THEY, THEY DO GENERATE LESS TRAFFIC IN THE, UH, STATE LEGISLATURE HAS RULED THAT THESE ARE NOT COMMERCIAL USES.
THEY HAVE FELT THAT THEY ARE JUST LIVING IN THE HOUSE UNDER A SHORTER TERM.
IT DOESN'T MANUFACTURE ANYTHING.
IT DOESN'T SELL ANYTHING BASED ON THE STATE.
BUT THAT'S JUST WHAT THE, UH, THAT'S THE WAY THE STATE LEGISLATURE HAS RULED THAT THIS IS NOT A COMMERCIAL USE.
UH, WE'VE HAD PRETTY GOOD SUCCESS WITH THESE ON DERELICT PROPERTIES AND STUFF, GETTING 'EM FIXED UP AND TAKEN CARE OF.
THEY ARE, THERE ARE RULES IN PLACE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THE RULES ARE BROKEN, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, UH, THROWING TRASH OUT AND PROPERTY'S NOT BEING MAINTAINED AND THEY'RE, UM, PLEASE CALL IN 'CAUSE THEY CAN BE REVOKED.
IT'S NOT A GUARANTEED FOR LIFE BY RIGHT THING IF IT'S NOT TAKEN CARE OF.
UH, SO THERE ARE RULES TO FOLLOW AND, UH, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD GOOD SUCCESSES.
SO DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS YOU'D LIKE TO ADD? ANYTHING? UM, I, I MEAN THE, THE HOUSES NEXT DOOR ARE VERY CLOSE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE LETTERS FROM BOTH OF THE NEIGHBORS, SO I I'M OKAY WITH IT IN THIS CASE, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST, IT IS VERY CLOSE AND I, I HOPE WE DON'T START SEEING A LOT OF APPLICATIONS WITH, UH, UH, PROPERTIES THIS CLOSE TOGETHER.
I WAS ACTUALLY NO, UNTIL THE GENTLEMAN WITH THE, THE CAMPING SITE NEXT TO 'EM SMOKING.
WELL THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHY THE LETTERS ARE IMPORTANT TO ME TOO.
IF AT ALL, THE OTHER TWO HOMES ON EITHER SIDE OF 'EM WOULD, IF THEY WERE SHORT TERM RENTALS, I MEAN, IT, IT WOULDN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE OR A PRIVATE USE CAMPING.
BUT IF, UH, UH, THE PERSON THAT LIVED 12 FOOT AWAY WAS A FULL-TIME RESIDENT AND THEY HAD SENT IN A LETTER SAYING, HEY, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH NEW PEOPLE BEING NEXT DOOR.
I, I, I WOULD, I WOULD PROBABLY NOT SUPPORT IT.
BUT, UH, BECAUSE HE HAS THE SUPPORT, I I HAD NO PROBLEM WAVERING A SETBACK, UH, ESPECIALLY IN A NON-CONFORMING FLOOD P THAT IN FACT IT MAY BE A, UH, UM, THE, THE ONSET IN FLORIDA HAS KIND OF HAD IN MIND FLOOD SITUATIONS AND EVACUATION A, UH, A PERMANENT RESIDENT IS HARDER TO MOVE.
YOU KNOW, WHERE IF, UH, IF IT'S A VACATION HOME AND IT'S CALLING FOR BAD WEATHER, HEY YOU JUST POSTPONE YOUR VACATION, YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, MOVE A FAMILY OUT.
SO, UM, THAT AREA'S PROBABLY A BETTER SUITED IN, UH, MY OPINION.
UH, MR. CHAIR, I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST, UH, FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
I'LL SECOND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.
OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT, IT WILL FORWARD ON TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
UH, MA'AM, I'M SORRY WE CAN'T DO ANY MORE QUESTIONS.
YOU, YOU, YOU WILL HAVE ANOTHER FAIR SHARE AT THE, UH, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
THERE'LL BE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING AND THEY'LL HAVE THE FINAL SAY WHEN I GET MY ANSWER FROM THE STATE, SHOULD I BRING TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY? I TAKE IT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
MA'AM, IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE ABOUT THE BOARD SYSTEM YEAH, I WOULD TAKE IT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
OR TO STAFF AND THEY'LL, AND THEY'LL GLADLY COPY PUT TO FORWARD TO THE BOARD.
YEAH, WE, WE WOULD PUT THIS IN THE PACKET FOR BOARD.
YEAH, PLEASE GIVE IT TO STAFF AND THEY'LL FORWARD TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
[VI.C. CUP2024-09-03- SouthFork RiverSide Campground, LLC Land-use - Campground - The applicant is requesting a conditional use permit for a campground and a river sports outfitter business for rental of canoeing, kayaking, boating and fishing equipment as an accessory use located at 204 Russ Johnson Rd. off Rivermont Drive. The property is identified on tax map 28 as parcel 17 and zoned Agricultural (A). It is located in the Wayland subdivision and in the Fork Magisterial District. The property is approximately 142.09 acres. - Matt Wendling, Planning Director]
HEARING, CUP 20 24 0 9 0 3 SOUTH FORK RIVERSIDE CAMPGROUND, LLC LAND USE CAMPGROUND.THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A CAMPGROUND AND RIVER SPORTS OUTFITTER BUSINESS FOR RENTAL OF CANOEING, KAYAKING, BOATING, FISHING EQUIPMENT AS AN ACCESSORY USE LOCATED AT 2 0 4 RUSH JOHNSON ROAD OFF RIVERMONT DRIVE.
THE PROPERTY IS IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 28 AS PARCEL 17 ZONE AGRICULTURAL.
IT IS LOCATED IN THE WAYLAND SUBDIVISION AND IN THE FORK MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.
THE PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY 142.09
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ACRES.MR. WINLAND? YES, SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THIS FOR A COMMERCIAL CAMPGROUND WITH 100 SITES FOR MOTORIZED RECREATIONAL VEHICLES CAMP, UH, CAMPERS AND ALSO PRIMITIVE TENT CAMPING.
THE EXISTING BARN WILL BE RENOVATED AND CONVERTED INTO AN OFFICE FOR A CAMPGROUND CHECK-IN AND MANAGEMENT AND GENERAL STORE TO PROVIDE GOODS AND MATERIALS FOR CAMPGROUND GUESTS.
UH, THEY DO PROPOSE CONSTRUCTING TWO A TWO SANITARY FACILITIES AND INSTALLING A DRAIN FIELD IN THE AREAS SHOWN IN THE CONS.
GENERAL CONCEPT PLAN, WHICH WE WILL SHOW YOU SHORTLY.
UM, THE MAJORITY OF THE LAND WILL CONTINUE TO BE FARMED AND USED FOR AGRICULTURAL PURPOSES, SUCH AS MAKING HAY AND FOREST MANAGEMENT AREAS.
THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO PROPOSED, UM, SOME AGRITOURISM TYPE USES, UM, BEEKEEPING AND SUCH.
UM, PROPERTY OWNER DID STATE IN THEIR STATEMENT OF JUSTIFICATION THAT THEIR INTENT IS TO PRESERVE AS MUCH OF THE NATURAL LANDSCAPE AS POSSIBLE AND IT IMPLEMENTS SUSTAINABLE PRACTICES FOR WASTE MANAGEMENT AND WATER CONSERVATION.
UH, THE AREA DESIGNATED FOR CAMPING WILL BE ACCESSED THROUGH THE FARM PASTURE VIA AN EXISTING VARIABLE WIDTH EASEMENT AND INDUSTRIAL FREE ROAD.
THE LOCATION OF THE CAMPING AREAS WILL, UH, BE WITHIN THE SPECIAL FLOOD H HAZARD AREA, WHICH IS SHOWN DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE RIVER.
UM, THIS AREA HAS BEEN DESIGNED SO THAT THERE WILL BE A FREE FLOW OF TRAFFIC IN AND AROUND THE CAMPGROUND TO BE ACCESSED BY THE EXISTING ROAD, WHICH SHALL BE IMPROVED AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CAMPGROUND.
THEY'RE PROPOSING A, UH, TO PROVIDE CANOE, KAYAK AND TUBING RENTALS AND DELIVERY SERVICES AS AN ACCESSORY USE FOR, UH, THE CAMPGROUND AND REQUESTING THIS, UH, ALLOWED THIS USE BE ALLOWED UNDER THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
UH, CONCEPT PLAN HAS BEEN SUBMITTED.
UH, WE'LL SHOW THAT SHORTLY AND, UM, WE'LL BE SUBJECT TO REVISION BASED ON COMMENTS FROM AGENCIES AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND BOARD SUPERVISORS.
UH, A PROPOSAL FOR FUTURE EXPANSIONS OF THE FACILITY FOR A POOL INDOOR RECREATION FACILITY AND RESTAURANT SNACK BAR AS PART OF THE CAMPGROUND IS INCLUDED IN NOTES, BUT WILL, UH, NOT SHOWN ON THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT WOULD REQUIRE AN ADDITIONAL CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A COMMERCIAL OUTDOOR RECREATION OPERATION.
UH, THE APPLICANT REPRESENTATIVE HAS ALSO MENTIONED THAT THEY DO, UH, WOULD IN THE FUTURE PLAN TO, UH, SUBMIT A REQUEST FOR, UH, CLASS A, UH, SUBDIVISION, WHICH WOULD BE A FOUR LOTS ALONG THE STATE ROAD RUSH JOHNSON ROAD IN A PORTION OF RIVERMONT ROAD.
UM, WE DO HAVE A, UH, PROPOSED, UH, CONCEPT PLAN FOR THAT.
UM, THOSE LOTS WOULD REQUIRE, OR WE'VE ADDED A CONDITION I'LL READ SHORTLY THAT WOULD, UH, REQUIRE THAT THE APPLICANT, IF THIS IS APPROVED, WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR A MODIFICATION TO THIS CON, UH, ADDITIONAL USE PERMIT, BASICALLY TO, UH, REMOVE THOSE SPECIFIC LOTS, UH, FROM THE LAND WITHIN THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
UM, SO THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN USED FOR AGRICULTURAL PURPOSES, INCLUDING RAISING LIVESTOCK, PASTURE MAKING HAY, AND, UH, UNDER SOME FOREST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES TO THE, UH, SOUTHWEST OF THE LOT.
UM, IT DOES CONFORM WITH THE, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND, UM, I'LL JUST CONTINUE.
CAMPGROUND IS DEFINED AS A PLOTTER GROUND IN WHICH FIVE OR MORE CAMPING UNITS, SPACES ARE LOCATED, ESTABLISHED, AND MAINTAINED, WHETHER OR NOT A FEE IS CHARGED FOR OCCUPANCY BY A TENT, MAJOR RECREATIONAL VEHICLE OR COMPONENTS UNDER THE CONTROL OF A MAJOR RECREATIONAL VEHICLE.
UH, COMBINATIONS OF TENT AND RECREATIONAL CAMPING UNITS ARE PERMITTED OTHERWISE, UNLESS OTHERWISE DISALLOWED OR LIMITED IN THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
UH, CAMPGROUNDS SHALL COMPLY WITH THE SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS AS STATED IN 180 41.
UM, THERE ARE SUPPLEMENTAL REG REGULATIONS AND THOSE WOULD REQUIRE FIRE SAFETY PLAN, UM, REVISIONS TO DENSITY AND, AND, UH, DENSITY STANDARDS.
AND, UM, AND THESE WERE SOME OF THE AMENDED, UH, UH, CONDITIONS OR I SHOULD SAY REGULATIONS, UH, ON THE JUNE 4TH, 2024 APPROVAL OF THAT, UH, RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.
UH, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THESE CONDITIONS.
UH, NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS, WARREN COUNTY FIRE AND RESCUE, AND VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH, OFF OFFICE
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OF DRINKING WATER REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.UH, NUMBER TWO, A FORMAL SITE PLAN AND EMERGENCY E CREST PLAN SHALL BE PREPARED AND SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW BY WARREN COUNTY PLANNING STAFF PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF THE BUILDING PERMIT AND ESTABLISHMENT OF THE LAND USE, SHOWING A LAYOUT OF CAMPING AREAS FOR BOTH PRIMITIVE TENT, CAMPING AND RV CAMPER AREAS, SANITARY FACILITIES, RV CAMPER, DUMP STATION, TRASH, DUMPSTER AREA, OFFICE, AND GENERAL STORE SITE ENTRANCES, PROPERTY AND CAMPGROUND ACCESS AND EGRESS ROBES.
UH, NUMBER THREE, THE OUTDOOR LIGHTING FIXTURES SHALL CONFORM WITH SECTION 180 49 0.1 OF WARREN COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE TO BE DARK SKY COMPLIANT AND FULLY SHIELDED AND SHOWN IN THE SITE PLAN, INCLUDING A PHOTOMETRIC PLAN.
NUMBER FOUR, THE SITE, UH, SHALL COMPLY WITH SECTION 180 4 9 0.1 OF THE WARREN COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE.
UH, AND EXISTING LANDSCAPING ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY LINE SHALL REMAIN IN PLACE.
NUMBER FIVE, THE PARKING AREA SHALL BE COVERED WITH A MATERIAL APPROVED BY PLANNING STAFF DURING THE SITE PLAN REVIEW PROCESS AND SHALL PROVIDE A DUST-FREE ENVIRONMENT.
NUMBER SIX, ANY AND ALL DEVELOPMENT SHALL REQUIRE PERMITS FOR CONSTRUCTION WITHIN THE SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREAS.
NUMBER SEVEN, THE APPLICANT SHALL APPLY FOR A CERTIFICATE OF ZONING THROUGH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT FOR A BUSINESS LICENSE TO OPERATE AND MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SUBMISSION OF THE APPROVED FIRE SAFETY PLAN PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE ZONING PERMIT.
NUMBER EIGHT, THE CAMPING AREA SHALL BE INSPECTED BY PLANNING STAFF PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF THAT CERTIFICATE OF ZONING AND CERTIFY A FIRE AND EMERGENCY EGRESS PLAN HAS BEEN POSTED FOR GUESTS OF THE CAMPGROUND.
NUMBER NINE, THE CAMPGROUND SHALL HAVE ONE FIRE EXTINGUISHER FOR EVERY FIVE PRIMITIVE TENT CAMP TENT CAMPSITES AVAILABLE FOR USE BY CAMPGROUND GUESTS.
NUMBER 10, THE CAMPGROUND SHALL ADHERE TO CHAPTER 1 23 OF THE COUNTY NOISE ORDINANCE, AND IT SHALL BE POSTED IN LOCATIONS CLEARLY VISIBLE TO THE GUESTS OF THE CAMPGROUND.
NUMBER 11, EXCUSE ME, SIGNS SHALL BE POSTED THROUGHOUT THE CAMPGROUND PROMOTING LITTER CONTROL AND RECYCLING TRASH RECEPTACLES SUFFICIENT TO ACCOMMODATE ALL CAMP SITE.
TRASH SHALL BE PLACED THROUGHOUT THE CAMPGROUND AND SHALL BE SHOWN ON A SHOWN ON A SITE PLAN AND SUBJECT TO APPROVAL BY PLANNING.
STAFF DOG WASTE RECEPTACLES SHALL BE STRATEGICALLY PLACED IN PROXIMITY TO WALKING PAST IN COMMON AREAS AND SHALL BE SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN AND SUBJECT TO APPROVAL BY PLANNING STAFF.
UH, NUMBER 12, UH, THE USE OF PROPERTY AS A RIVERPORT OUTFITTER BUSINESS FOR RENTAL OF CANOEING, KAYAKING, BOATING, AND FISHING EQUIPMENT SHALL BE PERMITTED AS AN ACCESSORY USE TO THE PRIMARY CAMPGROUND.
AND I JUST RECENTLY DRAFTED THIS, UH, CONDITION BASED ON THE INFORMATION PROVIDED ME, UM, BY THE SURVEYOR ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL LOTS THAT WOULD BE SUBDIVIDED OFF.
UM, THE APPLICANT SHALL REQUEST A MODIFICATION TO THE PERMIT PRIOR TO THE APPROVAL OF ANY SUBDIVISION OF THE PROPERTY AS A MATERIAL CHANGE TO ORIGINAL A PARCEL TO THE ORIGINAL PARCEL.
GRANTED, THE LAND USE THE NEW PARCEL SHALL NOT BE INCLUDED IN THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IF THE MODIFICATION IS APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
UM, THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE, MR. BROGAN, IS HERE TODAY AND THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED AND THE JASON PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED AND I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER A QUESTION.
OH, WOULD APPLICANT REPRESENTATIVE LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING TO, UH, MR. LING'S COMMENTS? UH, STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, PLEASE.
AND IT'S, UH, 2 0 4 RUSH JOHNSON ROAD.
UH, OF COURSE I'M IN FAVOR OF THE CAMPGROUND AND, UH, IT'S A, IT'LL TAKE UP A SMALL BUT INTEGRAL PART OF MY GOALS FOR THE, UH, FOR THE 142 ACRES THAT I HAVE THERE.
A LITTLE BACKGROUND IS THAT I'VE OWNED THIS PROPERTY FOR ABOUT 30 YEARS.
UH, I'VE BEEN THERE, UH, PROBABLY 70% OF THE DAYS SINCE THAT TIME.
UH, I'VE ENJOYED THE VIEW, I'VE WALKED THE PROPERTY BACK AND FORTH DOWN TO THE RIVER, SAT ON THE BANKS, ENJOYED ALL THE NATURE I HAVE.
I COULD TALK TO YOU FOR A LONG TIME ABOUT ALL THE THINGS THAT I'VE SEEN.
OF COURSE, I'M SURE THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE HERE THAT HAVE A VERY SIMILAR VIEW AND, UH, THEY CAN APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, IN REFERENCE TO SOME OF THE LAND USE THAT THAT, THAT I'VE HAD UP TOP HAS BEEN,
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UH, I'VE HAD PIGS.I'VE HAD CATTLE, UH, GOSH, CHICKENS, PIGEONS.
I ACTUALLY TRIED TO INTRODUCE QUAIL BACK IN AND, UH, REPLANT IT DOWN AT THE BOTTOM TO, UH, SO GIVE THEM A HABITAT THAT THEY COULD POTENTIALLY COME BACK INTO.
UH, IT DIDN'T WORK TOO MANY PREDATORS.
AND THEN WE HAVE FESCUE AND, AND THEY JUST DIDN'T SURVIVE.
UM, SO HAVE DUCKS, GEESE, WHATEVER.
AND, UH, ACTUALLY I SOLD, UH, UH, SOME OF THE PIGS TO, UH, UH, SOME OF THE RESTAURANTS, LOCAL RESTAURANTS.
AND, UH, SO THE FARM TO TABLE SCENARIO WAS, WAS SET UP FOR THAT.
AND FOR AS LONG AS I OWN THIS PROPERTY, IT IS MY INTENT TO CONTINUE WITH THE AGRICULTURAL PORTION OF THIS THING.
AND, UM, UH, UM, I'VE OWNED IT FOR 30 YEARS.
I'VE GOT ANOTHER 30 I HOPE WE'LL SEE.
UM, DURING THE PERIOD OF TIME THAT I WAS JUST SITTING THERE AND DEALING WITH THE THINGS THAT I DEALT WITH THERE, I'VE HAD A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE COME TO ME AND, AND WANTED TO BUY THE PROPERTY, AND THEY WILL SAY, WELL, WE WANT TO SUBDIVIDE IT.
AND WE WANTED TO PUT HOUSES AND ALL THAT STUFF.
AND OF COURSE, THERE WAS A, A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WAS RIGHT NEXT TO ME.
AND, UH, I WAS HOPING AT A CERTAIN POINT THAT I WOULD BE ABLE TO OBTAIN THAT.
AND, UH, THAT DIDN'T PARTICULARLY WORK OUT.
AND IT, IT, IT CERTAINLY HAS CHANGED THE, THE VIEW THAT I HAVE, BUT IT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S HOW IT ALL GOES.
AND, UH, UM, BUT I'VE RESISTED ALL OF THE, UH, THE OFFERS ON THE PROPERTY AND I'M LOOKING TO KEEP IT IN AGRICULTURAL USE.
AND, UH, SO MY VISION IS THAT, UH, UM, THAT WE CONTINUE ALONG THOSE LINES.
I HAVE A, A, AN ITEM THAT, THAT I'D LIKE TO DEAL WITH, UH, UH, VIRGINIA TECH COOPERATIVE EXTENSION SERVICE.
UH, UH, I'M, I'M REAL INTERESTED IN THE AMERICAN CHESTNUT AND TRY TO BRING THAT BACK.
UH, I, I THINK AT THE TOP PART OF THE, THE PROPERTY THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY PUT SOME THINGS IN PLACE THAT, UH, MAY HELP TO DO THAT.
WHO KNOWS? UM, IN REFERENCE TO AGRICULTURAL, I WANT, UH, HYDROPONICS, UM, UH, BEES WOULD BE, UH, SOMETHING, SOMETHING ELSE THAT I HAVE A, A A DEAR FRIEND THAT IS, HE, HE'S VERY, VERY INTERESTED IN THE BEE THINGS.
SO, UH, WE'LL PROBABLY BE PRODUCING HONEY AND, UH, WITH ALL THAT, THE, THE, UH, THE WOODED WALKING TRAILS AND THE EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES, UH, WILL BE THERE FOR THE, THE GENERAL PUBLIC THAT THE, THE ENJOYMENT OF THE PROPERTY AND, UH, SEEING THE NATURE THAT, UH, I, I WOULD LOVE FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO COME AND SEE WHAT I'VE SEEN.
UH, AND, UH, IT, IT WOULD CERTAINLY BE PUTTING A WHOLE LOT OF HOUSES IN THERE.
AND, UM, I, WHEN I GO AWAY FROM HERE, I'M, I'M INTENDING THAT IT'S GONNA LOOK VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW.
UM, I, I, I THINK THAT THE CAMPGROUND IS, WILL SERVE A PURPOSE THAT IT WILL BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THAT PROCESS OF, UH, THE AGRICULTURE AND JUST, UH, HAVING PEOPLE COMING IN AND, UH, ENJOYING IN IT THROUGH A SHORT TERM RENTAL PROCESS.
UH, AND IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE, UH, UH, CONSERVATION VALUES AND, AND, AND SOUND LAND MANAGEMENT POLICIES.
SO I THINK IT'S, FROM AN EDUCATIONAL STANDPOINT, I WOULD LIKE THE POSSIBILITY THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT COME IN AND SPEAK.
THERE'S A, A COUPLE OTHER VENUES THAT ARE IN THE AREA THAT, UH, UH, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO, UH, SHARE RESOURCES, UH, WHERE WE, IF WE HAVE SOMEBODY COMING IN, WE MAY BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THEIR FACILITY AND, AND, UH, SUPPORT EACH OTHER.
AND, UH, WE ARE GONNA HAVE FISHING.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UH, BAIT THAT'S GONNA BE NEEDED.
I DON'T WANNA SELL BAIT, UH, I DON'T WANNA SELL FISHING EQUIPMENT, UH, BUT SOMEBODY ELSE THAT'S ACROSS THE STREET MAY VERY WELL DO THAT.
SO AG TOURISM IS A BIG, BIG ITEM FOR ME AND, UH, BEEN STUDYING IT.
AND, UH, UH, OF COURSE, I, I DIDN'T GET THE ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY AND
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I, AND I SAID TO MYSELF, GOSH, YOU KNOW, I I, I ALMOST GOT TO A POINT WHERE I SAID, GOD, I, I THINK I MIGHT.BUT THEN I, I, I, I STARTED READING ABOUT THE AG TOURISM AND IT, IT WAS JUST PERFECT FOR WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.
AND, UH, SO, UH, WE'VE TALKED WITH, UH, THE LOCAL OFFICIALS AND, AND THEY HAVE A BELIEF OF, UH, THAT THIS IS THE WAY THAT WE NEED TO GO IS THROUGH, UH, THE, THE CAMPGROUND AND, AND, AND, UH, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PURSUING.
AND, UH, IF I'VE GOT ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER 'EM.
OH, I GUESS WE CAN, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD, MR. BROGAN? SORRY.
MR. CHAIRMAN, EXCUSE JUST REAL QUICK, IF, IF HE COULD FORWARD AHEAD TO THE CONCEPT PLAN.
I THINK WE HAVE THAT UP THERE.
UM, WHOEVER HAS THE CLICKER, I DON'T HAVE IT.
ZACH'S, WHILE WE'RE WAITING ON, UH, JOE BROGAN 1 43 BROGANS LANE BROWNTOWN, UM, I'M HERE MORE TO, UH, ANSWER ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT THE PLAN.
DO YOU WANNA START FROM THE, WHICH FIRST PART, JOE, OR DO YOU, UH, MR. GAN, OR DO YOU WANNA, UM, THERE IT IS.
YEAH, SO THE, THE, THE LAYOUT OF THE LOTS OR, OR A DEMONSTRATION OF A HUNDRED SITES, BUT THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO BE CLUSTERED THAT, THAT TIGHTLY TOGETHER.
UM, I THINK THE VISION IS GOING TO BE SOME ALONG THE RIVER BOTTOM, UM, SOME PRIMITIVE CAMPING UP IN THE WOODED AREAS.
SO IT WOULD BE A, YOU KNOW, NO MORE THAN, OF COURSE, A REQUIREMENT IS NO MORE THAN A HUNDRED SITES, BUT THAT WAS JUST A DEMONSTRATION OF THE SIZE AND THE SPACING THAT'S REQUIRED BY THE, BY THE ORDINANCE.
SO THAT'S AS COMPACT AS IT COULD GET, BASICALLY.
WHICH IS NOT, NOT WHAT WE'RE GOING, WE'RE LOOKING FOR AS, AS A WHOLE ON THE LAYOUT.
UM, AND THEN AS FAR AS THE, THE LOT DEVELOPMENTS IS, IS GOING TO BE IN THE ISOLATED AREA UP TO THE NORTHEAST.
UM, THAT WOULD BE THE LAST, I THINK THE LAST IMAGE.
UM, THERE'S ANOTHER IMAGE AT THE END THAT'S, UH, TOWARDS THE BOTTOM THERE.
YEAH, IT SHOULD BE THE FINAL IMAGE.
UM,
UM, IT WOULD BE THIS AREA HERE, WHICH IS AN ISOLATED AREA TO THE PROPERTY THAT WAS WHERE, UM, TO DEVELOP SOME LOTS TO GENERATE REVENUE FOR THE, UH, CAMP SITES.
IS THAT, IS THAT THE PORTION? IT TOUCHES SIX 19? THERE'S A SMALL PORTION THAT TOUCHES SIX 19, BUT IT MOSTLY FRONTS ON RUST JOHNSON ROAD, WHICH IS ANOTHER STATE, STATE HIGHWAY.
IT'S A GRAVEL, MORE OF A SECONDARY ROUTE.
AND THERE WOULD BE, THE HOMES ACCESS WOULD BE ON SIX 19? YES, THOSE LOTS WOULD'VE DIRECT ACCESS TO SIX 19.
UH, THE CAMP, THE ONLY CAMPGROUND ACCESS WOULD BE, UH, VIA THE COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE APPROVED COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE.
THAT'S ACROSS FROM CAPTAIN MOUNTAIN ROAD ALONG SIX 19.
IS THAT, UH, I KNOW THE AREA, SO I UNDERSTAND, BUT I, UH, YEAH, SHE'S GOT A, IF YES, UH, IF ANY OF YOU TWO WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT YOU, YOU HAVE A COPY.
I KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT.
SO, UH, YEAH, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
ANYBODY GOT ANYTHING BEFORE WE START THE HEARING? NO.
OH, DO WE HAVE A SIGN UP SHEET? YES, WE DO.
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I THINK, I THINK YOU NEED TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FIRST.OH, IT, IT, WELL, I NEVER REALLY CLOSED THEM ALL, BUT PUBLIC HEARINGS OPEN.
JUST A QUICK, QUICK REMINDER ON THE RULES.
PLEASE, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND PLEASE KEEP COMMENTS DIRECTED TOWARDS THE, UH, COMMISSION.
UM, LET 6 55 SUNSET VILLAGE ROAD.
MY, MY HOME OVERLOOKS THE AREA WHERE THIS CAMPGROUND IS PROPOSED, AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK AGAINST, UM, OBJECTING TO THE, UH, TO THE PROPOSAL.
UM, I APPRECIATE ALL THE, THE, THE NATURE BASED LANGUAGE THAT THE, THAT THE APPLICANT USED.
UM, I CAN'T IMAGINE ANYTHING THAT WOULD INTERRUPT THAT MUCH MORE THAN A, THAN A CAMPGROUND OF A HUNDRED SITES.
UM, I BELIEVE IT WOULD CREATE STRESS ON THINGS LIKE OUR WATER TABLE.
WE'VE ALREADY HAD SOME FOLKS TROUBLE WITH THEIR WELLS.
WITH ALL THE DROUGHT THAT'S BEEN GOING ON, I BELIEVE IT WOULD ADD EXTRA TRAFFIC TO SIX 19.
THAT'S ALREADY PICKING UP A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON THAT.
I BELIEVE IT WOULD CREATE A LOT OF NOISE AND LIGHT POLLUTION.
MY MY FAMILY HAS CAMPED FOR MANY YEARS AND ENJOY IT VERY MUCH.
BUT CAMPGROUNDS ARE NOT QUIET PLACES.
THEY'RE FILLED WITH PEOPLE HAVING A GOOD TIME ENJOYING THEMSELVES, AND THEY CREATE A LOT OF NOISE.
THOSE YOUNG FAMILIES CREATE A LOT OF NOISE.
THE GENERATORS, THE AIR CONDITIONERS ON THE RVS.
IT CREATES A LOT OF NOISE POLLUTION.
AND I FEEL LIKE THOSE OF US THAT LIVE IN THAT AREA SHOULD BE ABLE TO ENJOY THE, THE QUIETNESS, SOLITUDE THAT BROUGHT US TO THIS AREA TO BEGIN WITH.
AND I WOULD, I WOULD SPEAK AGAINST THIS PROPOSAL.
I HAVEN'T TALKED THIS MONTH SINCE I'VE RETIRED SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
UM, MY NAME IS RUSSELL JONES, 1 93 ARTHUR BURKE LANE, UH, FRONT RAIL, VIRGINIA, JUNE WOOD, UH, AREA.
UM, I'LL ADD TO WHAT MR. SINCLAIR SAID.
UM, IN PARTICULAR THE NOISE LEVEL.
UH, ANOTHER BIG ISSUE I'VE GOT IS FIRES.
I'VE GOT FIVE ACRES OF, OF WOODED LOT THERE, A LOT OF OAK THAT HAS COME DOWN FROM THE STRESS OF THE, UH, OF NOT HAVING ENOUGH RAIN IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
A LOT OF OAK THAT'S BEEN THERE SINCE THE LATE FIFTIES WHEN THE LAST PEOPLE USED THOSE LOTS FOR CAMPGROUNDS.
UM, AND AS WELL AS ALL OF THE WOOD THAT WAS DUMPED THERE WHEN THEY BUILT THE JUNE WOOD ESTATES ONTO MY LOT.
SO I HAVE A, A GREAT CONCERN ABOUT FIRES AND FIRES IN THE AREA.
MY NEIGHBORS AND I WE'RE ALMOST BLOCKED EVERY NIGHT DOWN THERE IN THAT LITTLE AREA OF THE ESTATES.
ON, ON JUNE WOOD, WE HAVE, ALL OF US HAVE THE, THE BIGGER LOTS DOWN IN THERE, SO WE'RE VERY MUCH OPPOSED TO IT, UM, AS WELL.
UH, ANOTHER BIG ISSUE IS INFRASTRUCTURE.
WE HAVE A FIRE STATION UP THERE.
FIRE STATION SEEMS TO KEEP UP WITH US.
THIS IS A, THIS IS A BIG THING DOWN ON THAT RIVER.
A HUNDRED, A HUNDRED CAMP SITES, FIRES, THINGS DOWN IN THERE.
WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT.
ARE THEY GONNA PUT THOSE THINGS IN INTO THAT SPOT? AS WELL AS THE OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH IS MEDICAL.
MY WIFE AND I HAVE BEEN HERE FOR THREE YEARS.
WE JUST IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS, FOUND A DOCTOR'S ASSISTANT IN THE AREA WHO WILL SEE US AND GIVE US OUR PRESCRIPTIONS AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
WE TRAVEL TO WEST VIRGINIA AND WINCHESTER FOR THE REST OF OUR MEDICAL ISSUES.
THEY ARE NOT HERE IN THIS LOCAL AREA.
THE ONLY THING WE HAVE IS EMERGENCY, AND WE DON'T HAVE AN ICU.
SO WE DO REALLY NEED TO THINK ABOUT THOSE ITEMS AS WELL.
WATER, WE ALL CONSERVE WATER THIS PAST SUMMER.
NOBODY WATERED OUR LAWNS UP THERE IN THE AREA.
WE'RE GETTING RAIN AGAIN, AND THAT'S GREAT.
SEPTIC TRASH, ODOR, ANIMALS, BEARS.
UH, WE HAD THEM COME THROUGH EVERY YEAR.
THEY COME IN, THEY GO, THEY GET OUT.
WE KEEP OUR TRASH, PUT IN OUR GARAGES AND PUT THINGS AWAY.
CAMPGROUND'S NOT GONNA BE THAT WAY AS, AS CLEAN AS THEY WANT.
SHERIFF DEPARTMENT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE ENOUGH POLICE TO POLICE THE AREA AND GO DOWN THROUGH THAT AREA.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO SAY THAT I MET MR. WAYLON, UH, WHILE HE WAS MARKING TREES IN THE WOODS, UH, HIS LAND.
AND, AND HE HAS EVERY RIGHT TO DO THAT.
HE'S PERFECTLY NOT FINE GENTLEMAN.
BUT HE DID TELL ME THAT HE DOES NOT LIVE IN THIS AREA.
SO I KNOW HE SAID HE DOES, BUT HE TOLD ME THAT HE IS NOT A LOCAL RESIDENT THAT HE MIGHT LIKE TO BE SOMEDAY.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THAT DID NOT SIGN UP? PLEASE
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STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.MY NAME IS ANDREW STOS AND I HAVE IJOIN PROPERTY, UH, HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE CAMP GROUND.
I THINK IT'S THE BEST USE OF OUR POTENTIAL TAX BASE WITH, UH, CABIN RENTALS AND STUFF THAT COUNTIES GONNA, YOU KNOW, GET THE BENEFIT OF.
I'M A RETAIL MERCHANT AND WE LIKE TOURISTS.
THEY COME, THEY LEAVE THEIR MONEY AND THEN THEY GO AWAY.
SO IT'S, IT'S A WIN-WIN THING.
I DON'T WANT TO SEE A BUNCH OF OF GRAY VINYL HOUSES OUT BEHIND ME.
I'D RATHER HAVE THE CAMPGROUND ANY DAY.
SO, UH, HOPE YOU CONSIDER IT'S GOING TO STAY A LITTLE MORE PRIMITIVE THAN WHAT THE POTEN, UH, OTHER, WHAT THE OTHER PLAN WOULD BE FOR DEVELOPMENT.
SO I'M KIND OF OPPOSED TO THE DEVELOPMENT IN FAVOR OF THE CAMPGROUND.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THAT DID NOT SIGN? OH, HE RAISED HIS HAND FIRST, BUT WE'LL GET TO YOU NEXT.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
UH, TWO 50 ARTHUR BURKE LANE, UH, IN THE JUNE WOOD ESTATES, UH, COMMUNITY.
UM, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, I WAS RECENTLY ELECTED THE PRESIDENT OF THE HOA FOR JUNE WOOD, AND I'VE SPOKEN WITH SEVERAL OF THE RESIDENTS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS.
UM, AND I THINK WE'RE PRETTY MUCH UNANIMOUS IN OPPOSITION TO THIS PROPOSAL, UH, FOR SEVERAL REASONS.
UM, I DO COMMEND THE APPLICANT'S, UH, PLAN.
UM, BUT THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT YOU JUST WILL NOT BE ABLE TO MITIGATE, UH, BY HAVING A SITE THIS LARGE, UH, WITH THIS MANY PEOPLE COMING THROUGH.
UM, SPECIFICALLY HAS BEEN MENTIONED BY SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS.
UM, IT IS BEAUTIFULLY QUIET AT NIGHT.
UM, I GREW UP IN CITIES MOST OF MY LIFE, AND MY WIFE AND I HAVE NOW LIVED HERE FOR FOUR YEARS, AND IT'S JUST A WONDERFUL QUIET TIME.
UM, AT NIGHT AND DURING THE DAY, UH, HAVING THAT MUCH TRAFFIC COME THROUGH, THAT MANY PEOPLE, UM, HAS BEEN SAID, YOU KNOW, CAMPGROUNDS AREN'T QUIET PLACES.
UM, THEY ARE NOISY WITH THE GENERATOR, UH, NOISE, RIGHT, WITH MUSIC, RIGHT, WITH CONVERSATION.
AND IN THAT PART WE, I THINK, I BELIEVE OUR PROPERTY, WE HAVE SEVEN ACRES AND I THINK WE'RE RIGHT NEXT UNDER THE POWER LINES NEXT TO THIS PROPERTY.
I THINK WE HAVE THE LARGEST, UM, OF THE JUNE WOOD ESTATES PROPERTIES, UM, ALIGNED TO THIS, TO THIS PROPOSED CAMPSITE.
YOU CAN HEAR PEOPLE TALKING DOWN BY THE RIVER UP ON THE HILL.
UM, WHEN THE TRAIN COMES BY FIVE 30 IN THE MORNING, THAT'S KIND OF OUR ALARM CLOCK IN THE MORNING.
UH, YOU KNOW, THAT ECHOES VERY STRONGLY.
UM, SO I DUNNO, MAYBE 10 CAMP SITES, YOU KNOW, WOULDN'T BE TOO MUCH OF AN ISSUE.
AND I JUST DISCOVERED AT THIS HEARING THAT THERE'S PLANS FOR FURTHER DEVELOPMENT, UM, OF A GENERAL STORE, UM, OF FURTHER HOUSING.
UM, THAT WAS NOT, I WAS NOT PRIVY TO THAT INFORMATION BEFORE TONIGHT.
UH, SO THE NOISES, I THINK PROBABLY HIGH ON THE, UH, THE COMPLAINT LIST, UH, OR THE CONCERN LIST.
AND THE SECOND WOULD BE THE TRAFFIC.
UM, SIX 19 HAS ALREADY SEEN A, A DRASTIC INCREASE IN TRAFFIC, ESPECIALLY WITH THE ANO VINEYARDS RIGHT UP THE STREET.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE STARTING TO SEE MORE TRAFFIC COMING IN.
AND THEN IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE OUR PROPERTY IS, THERE'S AN ACCESS ROAD TO THIS PROPERTY, UM, THAT WE GET A LOT OF ALREADY ERRANT TRAFFIC INTO THAT N INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD OF PEOPLE THAT THINK THEY CAN GET DOWN TO THE RIVER, UH, THROUGH JUNE WOOD PROPERTY.
UM, AND THEY DO A THREE POINT TURN IN OUR DRIVEWAY.
UM, OUR DOGS GO CRAZY AND IT MAKES A BIG NOISE.
AND TO IMAGINE, UM, PEOPLE TRYING TO GET TO THIS CAMPGROUND, AND IF THEY MISS THAT ROAD RIGHT OFF OF SIX 19 COMING INTO JUNE WOOD, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD INCREASE AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC.
UM, AND THEN, NOT TO SAY, I KNOW MY TIME IS RUNNING SHORT, BUT JUST THE, THE, THE CONCERN FOR THE WATER USAGE OF THE, OF THE LOCATION, THE CONCERN OF THE TRAFFIC ON THE RIVER, RIGHT? AGAIN, IT'S A VERY PEACEFUL PART OF THE RIVER.
AND, UH, WE WOULD LOVE TO KEEP IT THAT WAY, ESPECIALLY FOR FOLKS WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT? THAT HAVE ACCESS TO THE RIVER.
UM, IT JUST FEELS THAT THIS WOULD BE, UM, NOT A BENEFICIAL, UM, ADDITION TO THE, TO WHERE WE LIVE.
UH, WHO WAS NEXT? DID SOMEBODY ELSE RAISE THEIR HAND?
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HI, MY NAME'S CATHERINE PHELPS.I LIVE AT TWO 10 SUNSET VILLAGE DRIVE IN FRONT ROYAL VIRGINIA.
I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHERE THIS CAMPGROUND WAS SUPPOSED FIRST.
UH, WE WERE THE ORIGINAL SETTLERS IN JUNE WOOD.
WE HAD THE IDS BUSINESS HOUSE ON, UH, SUNSET VILLAGE ROAD.
SINCE WE'VE BEEN THERE, WE'VE SEEN THE RENTALS, WE'VE SEEN EVERYTHING.
THE TRAFFIC IS HORRIBLE GOING UP AND DOWN THAT STREET, AND IT'S IN BAD SHAPE NOW.
AS GOOD AS ALL THIS SOUNDS, IT'S GONNA BE ENVIRONMENTAL STORES, UHUH, IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
'CAUSE WE'VE ALREADY SEEN OUR AREA TURN INTO A, A ZONE THAT WAS NEVER EVER TOLD TO US.
WHEN WE SETTLED, WE WERE TOLD IT WAS GONNA BE A QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'M SURE ALL Y'ALL WANT THIS PLACE TO GROW, WHICH IS FINE.
I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT.
BUT IT DOES DISRUPT OUR EVERYDAY LIFE.
MAIL TRUCKS, GARBAGE TRUCKS, UPS, AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA PAY ATTENTION TO THE GPS.
THEY'RE GONNA GO WHEREVER THEY WANT TO GO AND GET LOST.
THEY'RE GONNA BE TURNED AROUND AND OUR DRIVEWAY'S RUIN AND OUR ROAD.
AND THAT'S A PRIVATE ROAD THAT WE LIVE ON, AND IT'S NEVER BEEN POSTED.
SO WHAT'S TO STOP ANYBODY FROM TRAVELING UP AND DOWN AT ANY WAY? THERE'S NO SIGNS OF SPEED LIMITS, NOTHING.
WE'VE WATCHED EVERYTHING SINCE WE'VE BEEN THERE.
I'VE BEEN THERE FOR FIVE YEARS AND WE'VE SEEN IT ALL, BUT I'M TOTALLY AGAINST THIS.
I LIVE IN ONE 20 SUNSET VILLAGE ROAD.
AND I WANNA SPEAK OUT AGAINST THIS, BECAUSE OF THE PLANTS THAT HAVE BEEN PRODUCED FOR US TODAY TO SEE HAVE NOT BEEN FULL, HAVE NOT BEEN COMPLETED.
UH, THE, THE MAPS THAT THEY WERE SHOWN DID NOT ACCURATELY SHOW WHERE THESE PLOTS AND AREAS ARE GOING TO BE.
UH, BUT IN EITHER CASE, A HUNDRED OR MORE CAM SITES AT THIS PLACE IS GOING TO PRODUCE A LOT OF TRAFFIC IN OUR COMMUNITY.
AND I'M TALKING THE TRAFFIC FROM ATVS AND FROM PEOPLE WALKING AND RUNNING THEIR BIKES AND JUST DOING RUNS.
UH, THAT IS NOT WHAT I CAME AND, AND PURCHASED MY PLACE AS IT WAS.
UH, I JUST RECENTLY PURCHASED TWO YEARS AGO, AND IT WAS FOR THE PEACE AND SERENITY OF THE AREA ITSELF.
I BELIEVE THAT THIS CAMPSITE WILL NOT, UH, FURTHER ENHANCE THAT.
IT WILL MAKE THAT A, UH, MORE OF A DETRIMENT AND LESS OF A DESIRABLE PLACE TO LIVE.
ANYONE ELSE? UH, CHRISTOPHER COMCHECK.
WE'RE AT TWO 11 ARTHUR BERK LANE.
A FEW THINGS I'VE KIND OF CAUGHT, GOT CAUGHT OFF GUARD THAT THERE IS GONNA BE, I GUESS, TINTING IN THE WOODS.
UM, OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR HOUSE IS ON A KIND OF A CLEARED AREA OF LAND SURROUNDED BY WOODS.
IT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY WE MOVED OUT HERE SIX MONTHS AGO.
LIKE OTHER FOLKS WE'RE PROBABLY NEWER TO THE AREA, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAD THIS SORT OF PROMISE OF QUIET, YOU KNOW, IT'S, WE'VE GOT A BIG DECK THAT FACES THE PROPOSED CAMPGROUND.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE OFTEN SIT OUTSIDE, LOOK AT THE STARS, UM, REALLY JUST ENJOY OUR DECK.
THAT'S WHY WE, WE MOVED OUT HERE FROM THE METRO AREA.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, SO JUST CONCERNS ABOUT PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE CAMPING IN, IN THE WOODS.
YOU KNOW, ARE THEY GONNA BE WANDERING AROUND, YOU KNOW, IN LOUD, INTOXICATED, YOU KNOW, NOISE FROM RVS, UM, THAT KIND OF THING.
SO I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, CONCERNED ABOUT THAT KIND OF THING.
UM, THE TRAFFIC THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAD MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, ALONG THE MAIN ROAD RIVERMONT IS, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A BUSY ROAD.
I MEAN, WE HAVEN'T BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH TO SEE MAYBE AN INCREASE OF SOME HEF, BUT IT'S A, YOU KNOW, IT'S A BUSY ROAD.
UM, WE RECENTLY HAD A PROBLEM IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE PRIVATE ROAD THAT PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED.
UM, SOMEBODY BACKED INTO, INTO THE LIKE MAIN ELECTRICAL BOX AND KILLED THE POWER FOR LIKE SIX HOURS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS AN RV OR, OR A SMALL VEHICLE OR WHAT THE CONDITIONS WERE OF THAT, BUT YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE COULD BE POTENTIALLY MORE LARGER VEHICLES MOVING THROUGH.
UM, SO CONCERNS ABOUT THAT, CONCERNS ABOUT TRASH,
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UM, YOU KNOW, UH, WOULD JUST LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THESE CAMP SITES IN THE FOREST.BUT, UH, YEAH, DEFINITELY A POST.
I THOUGHT YOU WERE JUST LETTING HIM IN.
UM, LAUREN ELLIOTT, MY MAIDEN NAME IS PICKERING UNSWORTH, WHICH IS PROBABLY WHAT YOU SEE ON YOUR TAX RECORDS.
UM, ALSO WANT TO VOICE, UM, MY OPPOSITION TO THIS.
I FEEL LIKE THE ONLY ADDITIONAL THING THAT I FEEL LIKE I CAN ADD IS THE JUXTAPOSITION BETWEEN OUR EARLIER CONVERSATION ABOUT SHORT TERM RENTALS AND ABOUT, UM, AND TRAFFIC HAS BEEN A, A COMMON DENOMINATOR, RIGHT? UM, AND I HEARD WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT SHORT TERM RENTALS, DO NOT ADD ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC.
UM, I WOULD ARGUE THAT'S PROBABLY NOT THE CASE FOR A HUNDRED.
UM, CAMPSITES WITH RVS THAT ARE, UM, A TRANSIENT GROUP OF PEOPLE VISITING, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR 2, 3, 4 DAYS AT A TIME.
UM, THE TRAFFIC WILL BE AN ISSUE MORE SO THAN IT ALREADY IS.
UM, WHEN MY HUSBAND WAS SPEAKING, I HAD THIS VISION OF AN RV TRYING TO TURN AROUND IN OUR DRIVEWAY.
UM, WE GET VEHICLES THROUGH THERE ALL THE TIME.
WE GET ATVS, UM, WHEN THERE IS A PROPERTY ON THE RIVER THAT IS A RENTAL THAT HAS HAD PARTIES IN THE PAST, NOT RECENTLY, BUT IN THE PAST, AND MAYBE THERE ARE 10 PEOPLE THERE.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE OUR ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD IS LIT UP LIKE A PARTY.
SO TO IMAGINE A HUNDRED CAMPSITES WOULD BE A, A COMPLETE CHANGE OF THE ENVIRONMENT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE COMMUNITY THAT WE CHOSE TO LIVE IN.
ANYONE ELSE? ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST LAST CALL? PUBLIC HEARINGS CLOSED ON, IT'S IN MY DISTRICT.
UM, I COME OUT COUNT MOUNTAIN ROAD.
I DO, UH, I DO KNOW WHERE THIS ENTRANCE IS AT ON, IT IS NEARLY A, A MILE FROM, UH, PROBABLY HALF A MILE FROM JUNE WOOD ESTATES.
OH, I'D LIKE TO GIVE Y'ALL A CHANCE TO REBUTTAL OF THAT.
I, OH, REASON WHY I LED INTO THAT.
WHEN YOU'RE DOING YOUR REBUTTAL, IS THERE ANY, I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE, IS THERE ANY THROUGH RIGHT OF WAYS FROM THIS CAMPGROUND INTO JUNE WOOD? COULD, COULD YOU ELABORATE ON THAT WITH YOUR REBUTTAL PLEASE? YES.
UM, SO THERE IS A, A RIGHT OF WAY THAT DEAD ENDS ON THE, IT'S THE EXTENSION OF THE ARTHUR BURKE LANE THAT COMES THROUGH JUNE WOOD AND ENDS AT THE WHALING PROPERTY.
I DON'T KNOW THAT MR. WAYLON HAS A RIGHT TO USE THAT RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, I, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING OF RECORD THAT SAID MR. WAYLON HAS THE RIGHT TO USE THE EASEMENT.
SO THAT'S NOT EVEN A PLAN FOR ANY ACCESS.
THERE SHOULD BE NO ACCESS TO THE CAMPGROUND THROUGH JUNE.
WOULD, UM, SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S PLANNED TO HAVE A COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE DIRECTLY OFF OF, UH, ROUTE SIX 19.
UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, ALL THE CONCERNS FROM RESIDENTS ARE, I THINK ARE PRETTY MUCH JUNE WOOD ESTATES.
UM, AND WE CAN APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S COMMENTS BEING A LIFELONG RESIDENT MYSELF HERE IN THE COUNTY.
UM, THE CAMPSITES, YOU KNOW, THE CONCERNS ABOUT GENERATORS RUNNING THE CAMPSITES ARE GONNA HAVE ELECTRIC HOOKUPS.
UM, THE, UH, SOME OF THE OTHER CONCERNS WERE ABOUT GENERAL CAMPSITE NOISE, BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS JUNE WOOD HAS 40 RIVERFRONT CAMP LOTS AND THEY HAVE NO HOOKUPS, NO ELECTRIC.
SO ANYONE CAN GO DOWN TO JUNE WOOD THAT HAS ALLOWED TO OWN THAT LOT AND RUN A GENERATOR AND A CAMPER.
UM, FOR PURPOSES OF DECORUM, UH, THE APPLICANT, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS HIS TIME UP HERE.
IF YOU WOULD, UH, IF YOU HAD YOUR TIME TO SPEAK, PLEASE LET THE APPLICANT FINISH HIS THOUGHTS.
COULD I ASK THE COUNTY TO PULL UP THEIR, UM, SLIDE FOR THE COULD, UH, DO YES.
IT WAS THE COUNTY SLIDE FOR, FOR THE, YEAH.
IT WAS PART OF WHAT YOU ALL HAD UP FOR THE, THAT'S THE LOCATION THERE.
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THE, THE GIS ONE THAT YOU ALL HAD UP.ZACH, I THINK THAT'S AT THE TOP THERE.
UM, WE CAN SEE HERE, THESE ARE 40, 20 FOOT WIDE RIVERFRONT PARK.
IF YOU OWN THAT LOT, YOU CAN GO DOWN, DOWN ON THE RIVER AND CAMP ON THE RIVER.
WE'RE, WE'RE, OUR USE PROPOSED USE PRETTY MUCH GOES HAND TO HAND WITH JUNE WOODS USE.
UM, THE OTHER THING I COULD POINT OUT IS JUNE WOOD IS OWNED R ONE.
IF MR. WHALEN CHOOSES TO SUBDIVIDE HIS PROPERTY ALONG THE LINES OF JUNE WOOD, THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT MORE THAN, UH, A LOT MORE COVERAGE ON THE LAND AND HOUSES THAN YOU WOULD WITH JUST HAVING A CAMPSITE.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO MIX IN AN AGRICULTURAL USE WITH, UM, WITH SOME CAMPING AND, UH, TRY TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP THE CHARACTER OF THE PROPERTY THE BEST THAT WE COULD.
DO YOU WANT WANNA ADD ANYTHING? YEAH, I JUST
UM, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS TOO, PLEASE AND YOUR AFFILIATION.
UH, SEAN, SEAN NEWMAN, 1 3 8 PASSAGE MANOR DRIVE, STRASBURG, VIRGINIA.
UM, JUST KIND OF ON THE HEELS OF WHAT MR. BROGAN STATED.
YOU KNOW, AND GOING BACK TO PREVIOUS PUBLIC HEARINGS, IT PERTAINED TO SHORT TERM RENTALS WITHIN JUNE WOOD ESTATE.
SUPER FAMILIAR WITH IT, WITH THE PROPERTY MYSELF.
UM, OR THE DEVELOPMENT RATHER.
YOU KNOW, I THINK, UH, MR. LEN HAD MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THERE'S FIVE CS IN THERE ACTIVE RIGHT NOW.
I KNOW THERE'S A HANDFUL OF THOSE HOMES LISTED FOR SALE WITHIN JUNE WOOD.
SO IT'S HARD TO TELL WHO'S GONNA END UP COMING IN TO BUYING THAT, BUYING THOSE PROPERTIES AND, YOU KNOW, COULD EVEN LEAD TO MORE POTENTIAL SHORT-TERM RENTALS AT THE END OF THE DAY.
SO, AGAIN, TO REITERATE, YOU KNOW, WHAT JOE HAD SAID, OUR MINDSETS TO KIND OF GO HAND IN HAND.
UM, AND I DO ALSO KNOW, KNOW THAT THERE ARE THOSE, YOU KNOW, 30 TO 40 RIVERFRONT RECREATIONAL SITES ADJACENT RIGHT THERE AT DUNWOOD THAT ACTUALLY GO TO AND TOUCH THE RIVER.
WHEREAS, YOU KNOW, OUR, UH, OUR CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT PLANS TO HAVE THAT IS LIKE THE NATURE OF WALKING TRAILS AND AT THE CAMPSITES KIND OF STAGGERED RIGHT THERE OFF THE BANK.
SO, YOU KNOW, A AS FOR ALL THE OTHER CONCERNS, OBVIOUSLY ALL SUPER VALID AND VALUED, EVERYTHING FROM WATER USAGE TO THE WATER TABLE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT ALL OF THE CONDITIONS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE IN PLACE ARE GONNA VERY MUCH BE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ADHERE TO THOSE, THOSE, UH, THOSE REQUIREMENTS, WHETHER IT BE SEPTIC, YOU KNOW, WHETHER, UM, WHETHER IT BE THE DARK SKY REQUIREMENTS FOR THE LIGHTS, UH, YOU KNOW, PERSONALLY UPON ONE OF THE ONES THAT'S GOING TO PLAN ON SPEARHEADING, YOU KNOW, THE, THE INTEGRITY OF THE CAMPGROUND ITSELF.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHAT I HAD SAID DURING OUR INITIAL, YOU KNOW, MEETING TO GET IT TO ADVERTISING AND GET TO THIS POINT.
WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO HAVE A BUNCH OF, YOU KNOW, ROWDY DOWDY STUFF DOWN THERE.
I MEAN, SO AS FAR AS QUIET HOURS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE, WE PLAN ON STRICTLY ENFORCING.
I MEAN, 'CAUSE WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING OF A PEACEFUL RETREAT HERE.
UM, SO I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S BASICALLY ALL WE GOT OR ALL I HAVE.
JOE, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UNLESS YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT I CAN ANSWER.
SO WITH THE, UH, TOPOGRAPHIC MAP THAT'S UP THERE NOW, COULD YOU POINT OUT WHERE THE, THE CONCEPT IS TO PUT THE RURAL CAMPSITE OR THE UH, YES.
SO 10 SITES RIGHT UP HERE, CAMPSITES CAN BE NO, THE RURAL ONES THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT CAMPSITES 40 OF THEM.
SO 10 RIGHT NOW, I THINK THE WAY WE HAVE THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, IS THAT CORRECT? IT'S ALL KIND OF ED HERE, RIGHT? YES.
SO IT'S ALL NEAR THE RIVER? YES.
SO AS YOU GO, UH, TO THE TOP OF THE, THAT BIG RAVINE RIGHT NEXT TO, UH, SUNSET LANE, 200 UP TO, UH, TWO 50.
NO, THAT RIDGE WHERE IT'S GOT LIKE THAT LITTLE POWER LINE RIGHT AWAY THROUGH THERE? NO, NO, NO.
YOU SEE THE YEAH, THAT RIDGE RIGHT LIGHT.
SO THERE'S NOT, WITH THAT STEEPNESS OF THAT SLOPE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE PUTTING ANYTHING THERE.
NOT, NOT IN ANY TYPE OF FRAME.
I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S FILLED RIGHT NOW WITH A BUNCH OF TREES AND LIKE YOU SAID, A LITTLE BIT MORE ROCKY AND STEEP TERRAIN AND YEAH, IT LOOKS PRETTY STEEP IN THE PICTURE THERE.
AND IS THE INTENT THAT THESE WILL BE ALL TRANSIENT,
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NO PERMANENT OR CORRECT, LIKE A NINE MONTH RENTAL? CORRECT.AND, UM, AND, AND THAT IS THE GOAL, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I, I KNOW LOCALLY, AGAIN, BORN AND RAISED HERE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE LIKE, HEY, WE WANT A PLACE TO, TO HANG OUR RVS HAT AT, YOU KNOW, ALL YEAR LONG.
WHETHER WE'RE, YOU KNOW, INCREMENTS LIKE THAT.
I, I, MY MINDSET IS THAT, YOU KNOW, FROM THE, FROM THE IDEA AND THE INTENT THAT WE HAVE TO ENCOURAGE TO TOURISM WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, AS MUCH AS IT WOULD BE COOL.
AND, YOU KNOW, WITHIN OUR BEST INTEREST TO GIVE BACK TO THE LOCAL COMMUNITY, OUR GOAL HERE IS TO ATTRACT TOURISTS SHORT TERM TRANSIT IN NATURE.
AND I KNOW WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS WHEN YOU CAME UP, UH, LAST MONTH, UH, FLOOD ALERT.
SO, UH, WHAT'S THE CONCEPT OF THAT? YEAH, AND ACTUALLY I WAS GONNA, I THINK IT WAS MR. GORDON THAT HAD THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE FLASH FLOODING.
I, I'LL HAVE YOU GUYS KNOW, AFTER, UH, THE RAIN FROM HELENE CAME THROUGH, UH, MYSELF, MY WIFE WERE PERSONALLY ON RIVER DUTY CHECKING KIND OF EVERY AREA IN THE COUNTY.
WE DID GO THERE AND, AND, UH, NOTHING, NOTHING AT ALL HAD CRESTED OVER TOP OF THAT BANK OR ANYTHING.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE AN EVENT LIKE THEY HAD IN NASHVILLE, YEAH.
WELL, I MEAN I, YEAH, WITH THAT IN MIND, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S MUCH ANY, ANY RESIDENTS IN ANY AREA OF THE COUNTY CAN DO.
WELL, I'M JUST SAYING, IS THERE GOING TO BE AN ALERT SYSTEM FOR THE, YOU GOT AN EVACUATION PLAN AND SOME WAY TO ALERT PEOPLE, WELL, THEY GOT AN EVACUATION PLAN, BUT HOW YOU GONNA ALERT 'EM? YEAH.
WELL, I, I MEAN I, I WOULD ASSUME THAT SOME TYPE OF ALERT SYSTEMS WOULD GO OFF OF SOME TYPE OF RIVER ANCY SYSTEM THAT WE THEN HAVE TRIGGERED TO ALARMS AND STUFF LIKE THAT IN THERE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT'S, I MEAN, LIKE, DO, DO WE, I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE FOR ANY TYPE OF ALERT SYSTEM OF SUCH.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THOSE, WELL, I'M NOT THINKING OF A REQUIREMENT.
I'M THINKING OF A, YOU AS THE OWNER OR ONE OF THE OWNERS OF THIS.
YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO THE CAMPERS THERE AS FAR AS GET YOUR BIKE OUTTA THERE.
AND, AND BY ALL MEANS, I MEAN, WE CAN RESEARCH AND FIND A PRAGMATIC SOLUTION TO THAT.
UM, I THINK WHAT WE WERE DISCUSSING THE OTHER WEEK WAS, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD HAVE, WE'D BE MONITORING RIVER GAUGES, YOU KNOW, IN TOUCH WITH, UM, EMERGENCY SERVICES.
AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE STAFF ON SITE IF THERE WAS A POTENTIAL FOR A FLASH FLOOD THAT WE WOULD HAVE STAFF ON SITE MONITORING, COMMUNICATING WITH EMERGENCY SERVICES AND MAKING SURE THAT WE HAD PLENTY AMPLE TIME FOR EVERYONE TO GET OUT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S, ONCE YOU GET, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TERRAIN, ONCE YOU LEAVE THE RIVER BOTTOM, YOU'RE FINE.
WE, YOU KNOW, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING WOULD BE TO HAVE OUR, OUR PLAN IN PLACE TO HAVE EVERYONE WELL OFF THE RIVER BOTTOM BEFORE ANYTHING COMES OVER THAT RIVERBANK.
AND, AND MY, MY MINDSET, SOME OF THE RESEARCH I HAD DONE WHEN THESE STORMS WERE COMING JUST THROUGHOUT THE STATE ON DIFFERENT CAMPGROUNDS IS, YOU KNOW, NOT TO BE AFRAID IF WE HAVE SOMETHING INCOMING LIKE THAT TO, TO SHUT DOWN SHOP AND LET THEM KNOW.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL, POTENTIAL PEOPLE COMING IN, HEY, SO SORRY.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL FIND A WAY, WAY TO MAKE RIGHT WITH YOU BY YOUR RESERVATION.
BUT IF IT'S UNSAFE AND I FEEL BAD ABOUT IT, HE FEELS BAD ABOUT IT, WE FEEL BAD ABOUT IT, THEN WE'LL SEND THEM HOME AND TELL THEM WE, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, SORRY, BUT I MEAN, WE GOTTA WORK SOMETHING ELSE OUT.
'CAUSE I MEAN, SAFETY'S GONNA BE PARAMOUNT FOR SURE.
SO, AND WOULD YOU BE OPPOSED TO A BUFFER ZONE? 'CAUSE I, I SEE HERE, AT LEAST ON THE GIS MAP, WHERE IT, IT APPEARS IN SEVERAL CASES WHERE THERE IS A CLEAR GROUND RIGHT UP AGAINST THE HOMES, ESPECIALLY DOWN BY THE, UH, AS YOU GET CLOSER TO THE RIVER.
SO I'M, I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION.
THE TREES ARE CLEARED PRETTY MUCH RIGHT UP TO SIX 90 ONES LOT OR 6, 6, 2 3 LOT ADDRESS.
RIGHT? RIGHT AT THE BOTTOM ALONG THE RIVER THERE, RIGHT AT THE BOTTOM.
YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT ABOUT THAT TOO.
THIS, THIS, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP ME HERE, MATT.
IT, I MEAN, IT'D BE EASY TO PLANT SOME TREES IN THERE, BUT I ALLOWED TO PLANT THE TREES AND THE FLOOD FLOODWAY OR IS IT, HOW DOES THAT WORK? WELL, YOU, YOU ARE ALLOWED TO PLAN 'EM, UH, STREAM BANK STABILIZATION ALLOWS FOR IT IS ACTUALLY RECOMMENDED.
UM, IN A CASE LIKE THIS, UM, WE WOULD KIND OF ASSESS, YOU KNOW, HOW THE TREES WERE PLANTED SO THEY DIDN'T CREATE SOMETHING THAT KIND OF IMPEDED THE FLOODPLAIN.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE ARE CERTAIN SPECIES THAT MAY WORK BETTER THAN OTHERS.
UH, CERTAINLY PROBABLY A EVERGREEN TYPE OF A SPECIES.
UM, WE COULD ADDRESS THAT IF THERE WAS A BUFFER REQUIREMENT THAT YOU WANTED TO MANDATE AS A REQUIREMENT OF A CUP.
UM, IT'S NOT CONSIDERED DEVELOPMENT, PER SE, MANMADE DEVELOPMENT.
SO, UM, IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WOULD BE FINE.
WE WOULD JUST NEED SOME SORT OF A PLAN, YOU KNOW, A LANDSCAPE PLAN FOR THAT AND WHAT THEY, AND WE WOULD APPROVE, REVIEW THAT AND LOOK THAT OVER.
COULD, COULD, UH, COULD YOU, COULD WE DO SOMETHING TO SAY HOW FAR AN ACTUAL CAMPSITE IS FROM THE PROPERTY LINE? I BELIEVE THAT'S SOMETHING YOU COULD
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DO AS PART OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AS A CONDITION.UM, WE DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ACTUALLY IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS IF THAT'S LISTED.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS SOMETHING ALREADY IN THERE OR, YEAH, THERE MAY BE MR. LEN.
HE'S PRETTY QUICK ON THE DRAW.
SO, SO SCOTT, IF YOU WERE, BUT IF, IF THERE WAS NOT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT CONDITION IN, UH, FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE CONCEPT AND, AND SITE PLAN, THAT COULD BE A CONDITION FOR THE APPROVAL FOR THAT.
SO, UH, SO THEY HAVE COME BACK FOR A SITE PLAN APPROVAL ANYWAY.
I BELIEVE WE HAVE THAT AS A CONDITION.
UH, UH, OUT WE'LL, JUST A FORMAL SITE PLAN.
SO APPROVAL OF THE SITE PLAN AND EMERGENCY, JOE, ON YOUR CURRENT CONCEPT PLAN, WHAT IS THE CLOSEST, UH, CAMPSITE TO THE, UH, THE SUBDIVISION TO THE, UH, RIGHT NOW THE CURRENT SITE? WHAT THE, WHAT THE PRELIMINARY LAYOUT WAS AROUND 50 FEET.
BUT I MEAN, WE WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO A, TO A BUFFER SHIFTED OVER.
UM, YEAH, WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO HAVE CAMPSITES ON TOP OF A HOUSE NEXT DOOR.
UM, THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A TREE LINE THERE NOW AT WHICH WE WERE GOING TO MAINTAIN, UM, ANYTHING ON OUR SIDE OF THE PROPERTY WOULD BE MAINTAINED AND NOT TAKEN DOWN, BUT ANY ADDITIONAL BUFFER WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO.
NOW IS THAT KIND OF LIKE SCRUB TREES OR, UH, THEY'RE A MIX OF, YEAH.
BUSHES THAT ARE LITTLE EVERYTHING TILL YOU GET RIGHT IN THE RIVER BOTTOM AND THEN IT LOOKS LIKE PASTURE THERE.
THAT ONE LITTLE, YEAH, ONE LITTLE STRIP.
WELL, YEAH, YOU CAN SEE THAT HERE WITH THIS.
THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING IF THEY COULD PLANT SOME TREES BACK IN THERE FOR BUFFER.
THE TREES AREN'T BEING COVERED BY THE NFIP, SO, UH, IT SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE.
I KNOW YOU CAN'T DO LIKE A FENCE OR A STRUCTURE OR ANYTHING.
UH, FENCES REQUIRE PERMITS NOW.
UM, WE WOULD HAVE TO REVIEW THAT AND VERIFY THAT THEY MET THEIR REQUIREMENTS FOR PUTTING FENCES IN A, IN A FLOODPLAIN.
SO WE DO A, BUT IT'S BY PERMIT, SO YOU ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A BUILDING ZONING PERMIT FOR THAT.
I'LL JUST MENTION THOSE LOTS THAT WERE POINTED OUT ALONG THE RIVER.
UM, THAT SUBDIVISION, I BELIEVE IS R ONE COMPLETELY R ONE.
SO A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR PRIVATE USE, NON-COMMERCIAL CAMPING ON THOSE LOTS.
JUST, UH, ALL, WE HAVE PEOPLE HERE LISTENING TO THIS IF THEY WANT TO DO CAMPING AND WHEN WE SAY OVERNIGHT CAMPING.
WE DON'T TYPICALLY REQUIRE THEM, BUT ANY OVERNIGHT CAMPING WOULD REQUIRE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR PRIVATE USE CAMPING BECAUSE IT'S R ONE AND NOT AG BECAUSE IT'S R ONE.
I LOOKING HERE AT SEE ADDRESS 7 35, THE HOUSE THAT APPEARS TO BE THE CLOSEST, THEIR HOUSE ALSO LOOKS LIKE IT'S PUSHED UP AGAINST THE SIDE OF THE, THEIR LOT.
UH, I WOULD SUGGEST, YOU KNOW, BUFFER ZONE OF 150 WITH SOME TYPE OF, UH, PLANTING INSIDE THERE, KNOWING IT'S GONNA TAKE A COUPLE YEARS BEFORE THOSE TREES ACTUALLY, UH, PROVIDE ANY KIND OF, UH, EITHER SIGHT OR SOUND.
SO, SO YOU WANNA DO IT FROM THE HOUSE? WELL, FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
IS THERE SOME WOODS IN THERE NOW? WELL, I, I WAS THINKING, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S SOME OTHER HOUSE, I DUNNO IF IT'S ANY OTHER JUNE WOOD LOTS IN THERE.
ALL I THINK EVERYTHING IS EVERYTHING DEVELOPED AGAINST IT ON THE JUNE WOOD SIDE NOW, JOE? YEAH, IT APPEARS THAT WAY, YEAH.
JUNE THREE DOESN'T HAVE A HOUSE ON IT.
BUT THAT'S NOT UP AGAINST THE PROPERTY LINE.
THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO THINK OF IT MORE LIKE THE, UH, SHORT TERM RENTAL WHERE IT'S HOUSE TO HOUSE.
IF WE DID HOUSE TO CAMP SITE OR WHETHER YOU WANT TO DO PROPERTY LINE CAMP.
I, I WAS THINKING, YOU KNOW, JUST THE PROPERTY LINE.
AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, IS THAT THE WEST PROPERTY LINE ONLY AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS MAP IS NORTH STRAIGHT UP, LIKE IT INDICATES.
SO IT'D BE EAST BE THE LEFT SIDE THAT TOUCHES JUNE WOOD.
IT'S THE WEST SIDE, RIGHT? WOULD BE THE WEST SIDE? YEAH, THE WEST OF THE SUBJECT FARM.
JUST CLARIFICATION,
THE EAST SIDE OF THE CAMPSITE.
SO YOU, YOU'D FEEL GOOD WITH 150 FOOT BUFFER CAMPSITE TO PROPERTY LINE? YES.
AND THEN IN THAT BUFFER, YOU WANT SOME EVERGREENS?
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I THINK A MIXTURE OF EVERGREEN AND, UH, HARDWOOD.IF, IF IT'S, IF IT'S ENOUGH NATURAL, UH, WOOD LINE THERE TO, OH, IN OTHER WORDS WHAT I'M SAYING, IF IT'S ALREADY A NICE HARDWOOD STAND THERE AND SOME OTHER TREES, SOMETIMES YOU MESS IT UP, PLANTING TREES IN IT.
BUT I CAN SEE THAT OPEN SPACE HAVING TO PLANT SOMETHING.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE OPEN SPACE, NOT FILLING IN WHAT'S NATURAL BECAUSE YOU MIGHT, LIKE, YOU SAY, YOU KNOW, GET A TAP ROOT NOW YOU GOT A DEAD TREE.
SO YOU WANT SOME EVERGREEN BUFFERING AND OPEN SPACES THAT WOULD IN THE YES.
DECLARING IS THAT, CAN THAT BE CLARIFIED THAT AWAY? MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE PROPOSED CONDITION IS 150 FOOT SETBACK FROM THE WEST PROPERTY LINE WITH INSTALLATION OF AN EVERGREEN BUFFER IN THE NON WOODED AREA AS APPROVED BY STAFF AT THE SITE PLAN STAGE.
WE'LL ADD THAT WE WOULD ADD THAT AS A CONDITION YEAH.
IS THAT, IS THAT ACCEPTABLE? YEAH, THAT'S ACCESSIBLE, YES.
AND TO THE HOMEOWNERS, THE NEIGHBORS, DOES THAT MAKE IT MORE PALATABLE? NO.
I, I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
UM, AS FAR AS AN ACCESSORY USE, WHAT IS WHAT? I DON'T HAVE MY, MY NORMAL, UH, TABLET, SO I CAN'T LOOK IT UP.
BUT, UH, DO WE DEFINE ACCESSORY? THERE'S A, THERE MAY BE A DEFINITION OF THE CODE WHILE I NAVIGATE TO THAT.
I WILL SAY THAT IT, IT, THE REQUIREMENT IS THAT IT BE INCIDENTAL TO THE PRIMARY USE, UH, MEANING IT, IT REALLY CAN'T, UH, ARISE TO A LEVEL WHERE THAT BECOMES THE PRINCIPLE USE.
AND I THINK THAT THAT'S THE GENERAL RULE UNDER VIRGINIA LAW.
MOST JURISDICTIONS SAY THAT EXPLICITLY IN THEIR COUNTY CODES.
LEMME SEE IF I CAN COME UP WITH A CITATION FOR YOU AND YOUR COUNTY CODE.
AND DOES THAT COME DOWN TO, UM, THE DETERMINATION OF THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR? OKAY.
IT'S A JUDGMENT CALL FOR THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR TO MAKE.
IF, IF AT A CERTAIN POINT, LET'S SAY FOR EXAMPLE, THAT THE CAMPGROUND WASN'T SUCCESSFUL AND WENT OUT OF BUSINESS, UH, BUT THE, THE RECREATION FACILITY FOR THE RENTAL OF TUBES OR, YOU KNOW, FISHING GEAR, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WAS SUCCESSFUL AND THEY WANTED TO CONTINUE THAT ON UNDER THE CONDITION AS CRAFTED, THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO SO BECAUSE IT'S REQUIRED TO BE ACCESSORY.
IF THAT BECAME A PRIMARY, THE PRIMARY USE, THEY WOULD NEED TO COME BACK AND GET A NEW CUP AT THAT TIME TO IN ESSENCE, YOU KNOW, OPERATE THAT AS A STANDALONE PRIMARY USE.
OR IF THEY REGULARLY RENTED 10 CAMPSITES BUT HAD BUSLOADS OF PEOPLE COMING INTO TUBE.
OUR, OUR IDEA WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT SEEMS, UH, IT, IT DOESN'T SEEM ABNORMAL FOR A USE LIKE THAT TO CONNECT WITH A CAMPGROUND, BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IN THAT THE CAMPGROUND HERE WAS THE PRIMARY PROPOSAL AND THAT THAT WAS KIND OF AN AUXILIARY USE.
I I THINK IT MAKES SENSE FOR, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE STAYING AT THE CAMPGROUND.
I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO, I DON'T WANNA SEE IT EXPAND TO, YOU KNOW, THAT BECOME SOMETHING ON TOP OF THE CAMPGROUND THAT'S DRIVING A LOT MORE TRAFFIC.
AS A LIFELONG RESIDENT OF THAT, OF THAT AREA.
UH, WELL, SINCE I WAS TWO AND I'M 53, SO 51 YEARS PRETTY CLOSE TO LIFELONG.
UM, WE DO HAVE OTHER CAMPGROUNDS IN THAT AREA.
WE'VE GOT SKYLINE RANCH RESORT, UH, IT'S USUALLY PRETTY TAME.
THEY HAVE ONE BIG FESTIVAL A YEAR THAT KIND OF, KIND OF STIRS THINGS UP A LITTLE BIT.
UH, BUT, UH, I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT WATER USAGE.
UH, WATER TABLE'S VERY HIGH OUT THERE.
IT'S USUALLY VERY CRUMMY, VERY HARD WATER.
UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE CERTAIN AREAS OF THE COUNTY WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU CREDIBLY DEEP WELLS ONE, TWO GALLONS A MINUTE.
UM, MOST WELLS ARE UNDER 300 FOOT OR 20 PLUS GALLONS A MINUTE.
UH, I MIGHT WITH SANITATION 'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT'S GOT ENOUGH REGULATION IN THAT IT'D BE OKAY.
AND, UH, I PERSONALLY WOULD TAKE IT, UH, AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC AND STUFF, I KNOW THAT THE TRAFFIC WOULD BE MORE SEASONAL AND WEEKEND.
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IF IT WAS TO BE DEVELOPED, I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY HOUSES THEY WOULD GET OR, OR WHAT THE RULES ARE THERE.BUT, UH, AS FAR AS SCHOOL LOAD, UH, THAT COMMUTER TRAFFIC, UH, IT WOULD BE WORSE THEN.
SO I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TRADE IS THERE.
UH, FROM AN, FROM A TOURISM STANDPOINT, I, IT'S DEFINITELY A PLUS FOR, FOR THE COMMUNITY.
AND IT DOES SO KIND OF FIT IN WITH SOME OF THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER CAMPGROUNDS IN THE VINEYARD AND SOME OTHER THINGS IN THERE.
SO, UH, FROM THAT STANDPOINT, I'M DEFINITELY NOT OPPOSED TO IT.
I COULD, UH, I, I CAN SUPPORT IT ALL, ESPECIALLY WITH THE BUFFER AND STUFF.
I THINK THAT WAS, I THINK THAT WAS A GREAT IDEA.
UM, ONE OTHER, UH, QUESTION FOR STAFF.
SO I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A TIME LIMIT FOR CAMPGROUNDS.
I THINK WE WERE LEAVING THAT UP TO, UH, THAT'S CORRECT.
THE SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS DO NOT SET A MAXIMUM STAY TYPICALLY IN THE PAST.
WE'VE DONE THAT BY ADDING A CONDITION.
UH, SO I, I THINK THAT IS A CONDITION THAT WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT.
UM, 14 DAYS, TWO WEEKS, 14 DAYS.
IS THERE, UM, OTHER CAMPGROUNDS IN THE COUNTY? IS THERE KIND OF A CONSENSUS? I KNOW OF ONE THAT HAD A 15 DAY, UH, RESTRICTION AND THEY ACTUALLY DID A CUP MODIFICATION TO EXTEND IT TO 60 DAYS.
AND THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
I THINK GENERALLY, UM, THE GO-TO STANDARD CONDITION WOULD'VE BEEN TWO WEEKS THOUGH.
THAT SPECIFIC ONE WAS, UH, THEY WERE MARKETING PRIMARILY IN THE OFF SEASON TO LIKE VISITING NURSES THAT ARE HERE WORKING, YOU KNOW, FOR SIX MONTHS OR WHATEVER, AND THEN MOVING ON.
SO THAT WAS PART OF THE REASON WHY THEY WANTED TO DO THAT MORE FOR OFF SEASON.
UM, SO I, I, MY POINT IS, I, I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE IT STAYS A, A CAMPGROUND FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, TRANSIENT FOLKS, NOT, NOT A PERMANENT, UH, HOUSING LOCATION.
HOW'S THE APPLICANT FEEL ABOUT A FIF 14 OR 15 DAY? OH, YES.
WE, THAT'S OUR INTENT IS TOURISM ONLY AND NOT, NOT A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN STORE THEIR CAMPER, STORE THEIR CAMPER OR LIVE THE WINTER IN THEIR CAMPER.
THIS IS, YOU KNOW, 15 DAYS WOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE WITH US.
I THINK IT'S BETTER TOO, IN THE FLOODPLAIN.
UM, SO I, IN MY OPINION, UM, WITH THE ADDITION OF THE 150 FOOT, UM, BUFFER, UM, WITH THE, UM, PLANTINGS HAVE AS DISCUSSED AND, UM, A 14 DAY STAY LENGTH, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS IN THE, IN THE AGRICULTURAL.
THIS I THINK IS A GOOD USE TO KEEP IT AS AN OPEN SPACE.
I THINK BEING ADJACENT TO JUNE WOOD, WHICH IS ZONED R ONE, THAT YOU COULD MAKE THE CASE THAT, UH, YOU, YOU COULD TRY TO BRING FORWARD A, A REZONING APPLICATION TO ZONE ALL OF THIS R ONE AND I, I WOULD NOT LIKE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN.
I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS STAY OPEN.
UM, AND I THINK CAMPGROUND IS ONE WAY THAT THE OWNER CAN, UH, MAINTAIN THE, THE PROPERTY, UH, AS IT IS.
UH, SO MR. CHAIR, WITH THAT, I MAKE A MOTION MOVE THAT THE, I MOVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST OF SOUTH FORK RIVERSIDE CAMPGROUND, LLC FOR CAMPGROUND AND ACCESSORY USE FOR RIVER SPORTS OUTFIT, OR BUSINESS FOR RENTAL OF CANOEING, KAYAKING, BOATING AND FISHING EQUIPMENT WITH THE CONDITIONS ARE RECOMMENDED BY STAFF AND, UH, ADDING ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS OF OR ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS OF A 150 FOOT SETBACK FROM THE WEST PROPERTY LINE.
AND, UM, A EVERGREEN PLANTING, UM, TO BE APPROVED BY STAFF DURING THE SITE PLAN PROCESS.
AND A CONDITION, UH, TO LIMIT STAYS TO 14 DAYS FOR CAMP GAR CAMPGROUND GUESTS ALL APPROVED.
A ALL THOSE OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
I WILL GIVE EVERYBODY A SECOND TO CLEAR OUT
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[VII.A. 2024 Comprehensive Plan Review Chapter 8 – Implementation - Includes implementation plan for goals and objectives identified in Chapters 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 – Discussion and comments. - Kelly Wahl , Planner ]
BUSINESS CONS PLAN REVIEW CHAPTER EIGHT, IMPLEMENTATION INCLUDES IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PLAN GOALS, OBJECTIVES, IDENTIFICATIONS, AND CHAPTERS 3, 4, 5, 6, 7.DISCUSSION AND COMMENTS WITH KELLY, THE PLANNER.
UM, SO I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD OTHER THAN, UM, YOU KNOW, THE IMPLEMENTATION SECTION IS, IT SEPARATES FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ITSELF INTO, UH, DETAIL ORIENTED, UH, STRATEGIES DICTATED BETWEEN CHAPTERS THREE THROUGH SEVEN, UM, FOR JUST QUICK ACCESS, READER FRIENDLY, UM, IN AN ATTEMPT TO, YOU KNOW, TO BE TAKEN TO ACHIEVE THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES THROUGHOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, IF YOU GUYS HAVE HAD TIME TO REVIEW IT, WE CAN DISCUSS IT.
UM, IF NOT, FEEL FREE TO EMAIL ME.
UM, WE CAN GO THROUGH AND CONTINUE EDITING.
OTHER THAN THAT, ALL I HAVE TO ADD IS THAT WE WILL GET YOU GUYS A FULLY EDITED VERSION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PRIOR TO THE WORK SESSION AND THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH SCHEDULED FOR NOVEMBER 12TH.
I'D JUST LIKE TO ADD THAT, UM, WE INCLUDED THE TEXT TO THAT, UH, CHAPTER, BUT WE ALSO, UM, AS WELL.
AND, UM, MS. BUTTER ALSO CREATED A CHART THAT'S A LITTLE MORE VISUALLY KIND OF APPEALING AND ALSO VISUALLY, UH, UM, ABLE TO READ IT BETTER, BASICALLY.
SO, UM, WE CAN, WE'LL HAVE THAT IN OUR APPENDIX, I BELIEVE YOU, CORRECT.
YEAH, THAT'LL BE AN APPENDIX ITEM.
UM, YOU KNOW, IMPLEMENTATIONS THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE CARRIED OUT WITHIN LESS THAN A YEAR IMPLEMENTATIONS, ONE TO THREE YEARS, THREE TO FIVE, FIVE TO SEVEN, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
UM, AND THAT JUST BREAKS DOWN A TIMELINE AND WE MADE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE VISUALLY APPEALING AND READER FRIENDLY.
BUT IT'LL BE ADDED AS AN APPENDIX ITEM.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THOSE PULLOUTS THAT WE HAD YES.
NO, I'VE, I'VE ALREADY READ 'EM.
SEE, SEE, THEY, THEY GAVE ME HARD COPIES SO I COULD READ IT.
I, I GOT MINE YESTERDAY, SO I'M NOT GONNA LIE, I HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO.
SO I DO HAVE A FEW COMMENTS ON THREE THROUGH SEVEN THAT I CAN GIVE YOU GUYS.
WE DON'T NEED TO, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GO THROUGH THIS HERE.
THE STANDARD THAT WE CAN GET THOSE, THOSE BETTER SO THAT WE CAN GET FULLY, YOU CAN HAVE THEM RIGHT NOW.
SHE MIGHT NOT, SHE MIGHT NOT BE OLD ENOUGH TO REEF CURATIVE.
IT LOOKS LIKE A LITTLE DUTCH OR A LITTLE
I THINK I HAD TO HAVE MATT READ SOME OF YOUR DICTATIONS TO ME.
HIS, HIS CHECK'S IN THE MAIL FOR YOU.
UH, YEAH, I DON'T HAVE ANY, I READ THROUGH, YOU CAN EMAIL HER OR GET HER COPY.
YEAH, I'LL JUST GIVE THEM THIS AND THEN, OKAY.
[VIII. Consent Agenda]
CONSENT AGENDA 2024, WARREN COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AUTHORIZATION TO ADVERTISE A PUBLIC HEARING ON NOVEMBER 13TH, PLANNING, COMMISSION MEETING.THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH WILL BE HELD ON NOVEMBER 12TH FROM FOUR TO 6:00 PM IN THE BOARDROOM OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
WORK SESSION WILL BE HELD AFTER THE OUTREACH SESSION.
MR. WINDLEY? UH, THAT IS CORRECT.
SO WE ASK THAT IF YOU CAN CONFIRM YOU'LL BE AT THAT MEETING, UM, IT'D BE VERY BENEFICIAL FOR US, UM, TO HEAR HAVE BOTH THE BOARD AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, DISCUSS THIS DURING A WORK SESSION AT THAT TIME, SO WE'RE NOT KIND OF REPE REPEATING IT DURING BOTH, UH, BOTH SCHEDULED MEETINGS FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, IT ALSO GIVES KIND OF ONE ADDITIONAL CHANCE FOR THE PUBLIC TO COME OUT AND HEAR OR SEE WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.
UM, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WILL BE POSTED IN SOME PUBLIC LOCATIONS.
WE PLAN TO PUT ONE OVER AT THE LIBRARY AND, UM, OTHER
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IDENTIFIED AREAS.UH, AND AGAIN, WE'RE STILL TAKING INTO SURVEYS, BUT WE'RE BASICALLY, THAT WOULD BE JUST ADDED TO THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE HAVE.
UM, WE'VE, UH, MS. MUTTER HAS, HAS DONE A GREAT JOB IN TRYING TO INVENTORY ALL OF THOSE AND, UH, PROVIDE THEM THE KELLY FOR THE, THE PLAN THEMSELF.
SO WE'RE, UH, WE'RE WORKING ON THAT AND, UH, REALLY, I MEAN, WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE WE'RE VERY CLOSE TO COMPLETING, UH, THE CONTENT AND VERY CLOSE TO GETTING THE FORMATTING AND, AND, UH, LAYOUT OF IT DONE IF MICROSOFT WORD WILL COOPERATE FOR, FOR STAFF.
UM, BUT YEAH, AND WE WOULD, WE WOULD APPRECIATE IF YOU COULD, UH, BE ABLE TO BE IN ATTENDANCE TO THAT MEETING.
THE NEXT NIGHT IS A SCHEDULED PLAINTIFF COMMISSION MEETING, SO IT MAY FILL IN A LOT OF THAT TIME DURING THAT.
UH, SO THAT FOLLOWING MEETING, WE WON'T HAVE QUITE AS MANY QUESTIONS YOU, UM, FROM YOU.
AND THAT WOULD BE, UH, WE WOULD ACTUALLY BE HAVING THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THAT TIME.
SO THE WORK SESSION STILL INCLUDES THAT TOPIC THAT WE SPOKE.
UH, WE ARE GONNA BRING THAT FORWARD AT THE WORK SESSION.
I THINK THE BOARD AND MR. DA, DR.
DALEY WANTED TO SEE THAT ON THE AGENDA.
UH, TO GIVE THEM AN INITIAL, UH, COMMENT PERIOD WITHOUT BEING AT A PUBLIC HEARING, YOU KNOW.
AND, UH, IF THEY FEEL LIKE THEY NEED TO HAVE ANOTHER WORK SESSION THE FOLLOWING MONTH, WE CAN, WE CAN SCHEDULE THAT PRIOR TO THEIR PUBLIC HEARING IF THEY WANNA MOVE IT FORWARD FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I JAMESON'S, MY CONCEPT WAS TO GO THROUGH THE SITE SELECTIONS.
LOOK AT THE, THE TOTAL FOR THE, FOR THE RANGE.
'CAUSE THE RANGE IS THE SAME NIGHT, ISN'T IT? THE 12TH? YEAH, WE ARE, WE ARE.
AND THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY THE BOARD WANTS TO HOLD THIS SO THAT IT GIVES YOU AS A PLANNING, UH, GOD BLESS YOU.
GIVES YOU AS A PLANNING COMMISSION AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, EITHER MAKE THE DECISION FOR APPROVAL OR DENIAL WITH THE INFORMATION THAT'S, UH, GOING TO BE PROVIDED BY THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
SO ANY ADDITIONAL, SO THEY, THEY WILL BE THERE WITH THEIR, UH, I I THINK THEY SHOULD, YEAH.
I WOULD HOPE THAT THEY WOULD BE, AND WE WILL HAVE, WE'LL HAVE THAT INFORMATION IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION PACKET FOR THE FOLLOWING NIGHT.
SO THEY, UH, I'VE EXPRESSED IN THEM THAT WE WILL NEED SUFFICIENT TIME IN ORDER TO GET ALL OF THEIR DOCUMENTS INTO THE PLANNING COMMISSION PACKET.
UH, AND THEY, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THEY HAVE POSTPONED IT FROM TONIGHT'S MEETING TO THAT MEETING.
JAMESON HAS KIND OF EXPRESSED, AND I THINK IT WAS A GENERAL CONSENSUS, THEY WANTED TO HAVE SOME MORE DOCUMENTATION, SOME MORE DATA FOR ALL OF THE PROPOSED SITES THAT, UM, COULD POTENTIALLY BE A SITE, UH, A SITE FOR WHAT THEY'RE, RIGHT.
THAT'S WHAT YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT, BUT ALSO DIALOGUE WITH THE, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
AND, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE BENEFIT OF HAVING A WORK SESSION FOR SUCH A KIND OF A CONTENTIOUS LAND USE.
SO IF THE SHERIFF'S SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT DOESN'T SHOW THE KIND OF
WE WON'T HAVE TO WELL, I THINK IT WOULD BE WISE FOR THEM TO SHOW, OBVIOUSLY, UM, TO, TO JUSTIFY, UM, THE, THE IMPORTANCE IT IS TO THEM, OBVIOUSLY TO, TO HAVE ARRANGED NO MATTER WHERE THEY DO.
BUT, UM, WE HAVE PROVIDED THEM WITH, UH, OTHER SITES.
THEY WERE PROVIDED IN THE INITIAL MEETING, UM, MM-HMM.
NOW, THE DATA WASN'T, AND ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION WASN'T UNTIL THIS LAST WORK SESSION.
I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THAT WAS SUFFICIENT ENOUGH THAT INFORMATION WAS SUFFICIENT ENOUGH FOR THE BOARD TO, UM, WANT TO MOVE THIS FORWARD.
I THINK THEY REALLY WANT TO, THIS WORK SESSION WILL MAKE A, UH, A DIFFERENCE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, WHICH MAY GIVE YOU SOME GUIDANCE ALSO IN YOUR DECISION.
OH, MOTION TO ADOPT CONSENT, RIGHT.
UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED.
SO WE WILL BE HAVING THE PUBLIC HEARING NOVEMBER 13TH.
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COMPREHENSIVE PLAN 13, PLAN THE 14TH.WELL, THAT'S WHAT GET WRITTEN HERE.
BUT DID I WRITE THE WRONG THING? OH, PLEASE DON'T TELL ME I DID THAT.
BUT NO, THE, THE EMAIL SAID THE 14TH.
SO IS THE 13TH THAT, THAT MIGHT'VE BEEN MY MISTAKE.
I THOUGHT YOU WERE GIVING US A DAY OFF THERE.
THE, THE NEXT THING WAS THE PLANNING DIRECTOR, AND IT WAS, UH, NOVEMBER 12TH JOINT BOARD OF SUPERVISED PLANNING COMMISSION SESSION AT 6:00 PM AND THEN THIS OTHER THING IS FROM FOUR TO SIX.
AND YOU'D LIKE US TO BE HERE FOR THAT TOO? UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.
I THINK THAT MAKES FOR A LONG EVENING FOR YOU.
UH, I WOULD, I THINK THIS IS PRIMARILY DIRECTED TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC FOR QUESTIONS, UH, FOR THE PLANNING STAFF.
AND THEN WE WILL KIND OF, UH, MAKE NOTES AND, UH, YOU KNOW, EXPRESS WHAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC HAS SUBMITTED TO US, TO BOTH THE BOARD AND THE PLANNING.
COMMISS, IT'LL BE HERE AT SIX O'CLOCK.
SO SIX O'CLOCK IS WHEN THE WORK SESSION STARTS.
SO WE WOULD ASK YOU TO DO THAT.
AND THEN THE, UM, FOUR O'CLOCK IS THE PUBLIC SESSION, IS THAT FOUR, FOUR TO SIX? WE'RE JUST GONNA, YEAH, IT'S A, IT'LL BE ABOUT AN HOUR AND 45 MINUTES.
WE'LL THEN, WE'LL, THE BOARD WILL PROBABLY WANNA START GETTING OKAY.
BUT, BUT IT WILL BE HERE THE SAME PLACE THAT WILL BE HERE.
AND ALTHOUGH IT WILL NOT BE AN OFFICIAL MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THEN FROM FOUR TO SIX, WE WILL NOTICE IT FOR FOIA PURPOSES SO THAT, SO THAT IF THREE OR MORE OF YOU SHOW UP AND WANT TO TALK OR ASK QUESTIONS AND PARTICIPATE, THAT YOU ARE ABLE TO DO THAT UNDER FOIA EVEN THOUGH NO ACTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS ABLE TO HAPPEN.
SO THEN I, I BELIEVE WE NEED TO TAKE MINUTES UNDER FOIA.
YOU DO NEED TO TAKE MINUTES IF IT IS A FOIA MEETING.
AND, UM, WE CAN, IF THREE OF YOU ARE THERE, WE WILL TAKE SOME MINUTES THAT REFLECT YOUR PARTICIPATION IF YOU PARTICIPATE, AND THEN THOSE WILL COME FORWARD ON A REGULAR MEETING AGENDA ITEM.
IF YOU'RE NOT, THEN WE WON'T
IF THREE OF
IF THREE OF THREE OR MORE OF YOU ARE PLANNING ON ATTENDING, LET US KNOW IN ADVANCE SO WE CAN BE PREPARED.
I'LL STAND OUT THE DOOR TILL 5 59
WE'LL, WE'LL PROBABLY JUST MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT THAT, UH, THE WORK, UH, NOT THE WORK SESSION, BUT THE OPEN, UH, COMMUNITY OUTREACH IS OVER AT A SPECIFIC TIME AND WE'LL ADJOURN FROM THAT OR HOWEVER WE NEED TO.
UH, WE, WE WERE AT COMMISSIONER MANNAR
[IX. Commission Matters]
AND SAID PLANNING DIRECTOR.DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD BESIDES THE MEETING? UH, NO.
I HAVE NOTHING ELSE OTHER THAN, UH, BOTH KELLY AND ALLISON HAVE BEEN DOING A FANTASTIC JOB TRYING TO PUT THIS THING TOGETHER.
UH, IT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, QUITE A, A, A TIME OF IT TRYING TO GET JUST THINGS TO LOOK RIGHT, THE CONTENT, EVERYTHING.
AND, UH, SO I JUST WANNA EXPRESS MY THANKS TO THEM.
AND, UH, OF COURSE, UH, CHASE'S INPUT ALSO IN SOME OF THE CONTENT.
HE'S BEEN HELPING US OUT ALSO.
AND IT SAYS COMMISSION MEMBERS.
ANYTHING FROM YOU? UM, JUST REITERATING, UH, EMAIL WENT OUT EARLIER.
UM, ANYBODY WHO'S INTERESTED, THERE'S A, UM, PRESENTATION TOMORROW NIGHT IN, UH, THE ROCKLAND COMMUNITY CHURCH ABOUT THE ROCKLAND HISTORIC DISTRICT STARTS AT SIX.
SCOTT, YOU GOT ANYTHING? NOPE, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THIS MONTH.
SO THERE'S THE COMMISSION MEMBERS, COUNTY ATTORNEY.
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING CLERK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
I AM AWARE THAT I DID PROMISE YOU THAT YOUR IPAD COULD BE DONE BEFORE NOW
IT RAPIDLY BECAME OUT OF MY HANDS WHEN IT WENT FROM PAUL GOING, YEAH, I CAN COVER THIS TO PAUL SAYING, YEAH, I HAD TO HAND THESE OFF TO TODD.
SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE THEM BACK BY FRIDAY, IF NOT THE FOLLOWING WEEK.
AND THEN GOING FORWARD, I WILL BE ABSCONDING WITH THEM ONCE A QUARTER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO NOT HAVE ANOTHER TITANIC SYSTEM FAILURE AS WE HAVE NOW.
SO WHAT I'LL, WHAT I'LL DO IS IN JANUARY,
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YOU'LL LEAVE YOUR IPADS WITH ME.AFTER THE MEETING, WE'LL GET 'EM UPDATED.
WE'LL GET 'EM BACK TO YOU BEFORE THE FEBRUARY MEETING, AND THEN EVERY 90 DAYS AFTER THAT, I WILL TAKE THEM WITH ME AFTER THE MEETING.
NOTHING OTHER THAN I WANNA NOTE THAT THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH IS FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ONLY.
WHAT IS SHE SAYING?
UM, BUT WE DID GET YOUR, UH, LIST OF QUESTIONS REGARDING THE CONTRACTOR STORAGE YARD.
UM, WENT OVER THOSE QUESTIONS WITH, UH, COUNTY ATTORNEY AND WE, WE GOT RESPONSES.
I COPIED EVERYONE ON THE RESPONSE.
UM, SO AT THIS POINT, UM, JUST WANNA KNOW, DO YOU WANNA MEET, TALK ABOUT IT, SEE IF WE NEED TO MAKE CHANGES OR DO YOU WANNA MOVE IT FORWARD? LET'S ALL, LET ME TAKE THOSE.
DID YOU HAVE MAIL ME A COPY OF THOSE QUESTIONS? THE ANSWER TO ME? I GOT QUESTIONS A COPY TOO.
OH, I'LL LET THE BUILDERS ASSOCIATION KICK IT AROUND FIRST, YOU KNOW, AND GIVE THEM A MINUTE TO DIGEST IT.
MM-HMM,
MAYBE WE CAN SCHEDULE SOMETHING AFTER THE, THE NEXT MEETING IF IT'S, IF IT'S NOT PROLONGING IT TOO LONG.
THIS IS, UH, COUNTY STAFF THAT IS BRINGING THIS FORWARD, UH, AS AN OPPORTUNITY.
SO NO TIMETABLE ON IT AT THIS POINT.
WANNA MAKE SURE WE GET IT RIGHT.
I'LL, UH, I'LL GET IT OUT TO, UH, LOCAL BUILDERS AND STUFF TO SEE HOW IT'S AFFECTING EVERYONE.
AND THEN, UH, AND THEN MAYBE WE CAN GET A WORK SESSION OR A LITTLE MEETING OR SOMETHING.
OTHER THAN THAT, UH, WE DID GET A, A BZA OR A VARIANCE APPLICATION, SO WE'LL HAVE A BZA MEETING NEXT MONTH.
SO GOT A FEW MEETINGS AT THE BEGINNING OF NEXT MONTH, BUT, UH, YEAH, I'LL, UH, GIVE YOU A REPORT ON HOW THAT GOES AT THE NEXT PLANNING COMMISSIONER MEETING.
HOW YOU TURN THE COMPUTER OFF? JUST.