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          ALL RIGHT. 
          WE'LL 
          [1. Call to Order – Board of Supervisors – Chair, Cheryl Cullers]
GET STARTED WITH THE, UM, TOWN COUNTY LIAISON MEETING FOR OCTOBER 17TH, 2024. 
          UM, I DO HAVE A REQUEST TO, UM, 
          [Additional Item]
PUT AN ADDITION ON THE AGENDA. 
          UM, MS. KNOX IS HERE FROM THE TOW BOARD AND WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, UH, TO BOTH OF US IN THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY. 
          SO IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION TO ADDING THAT, WE WOULD HAVE HER GO FIRST. 
          WE DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTIVE. 
          WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A, MY FRIEND THAT WORKS . 
          ALL RIGHT, MS. KNOX, APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE TONIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THIS IS MY FIRST TIME AT THE, AT THESE MEETINGS, SO I APPRECIATE, WELCOME THE GUIDANCE. 
          UM, I'M GLORIA KNOTT, UH, CHAIRMAN OF THE TOW BOARD, JOINT JOINT TOY BOARD, AND I'M ALSO OWNER OF KEEN'S TOWING. 
          SO AT OUR LAST MEETING, UM, WHICH WAS HELD ON, UM, OCTOBER 2ND, UH, THE BOARD MEMBERS MADE A MOTION TO PUT A CAP ON THE TOWS, THE FIVE TOWS THAT ARE CURRENTLY, UM, LISTED AS THE TOW ROTATION TO HELP LAW ENFORCEMENT. 
          AND, UM, SO THEY WANTED, UH, THERE'S BEEN FOUR COMPANIES, OF COURSE, UM, THARP'S TOWING, MIDWAY TOWING, NANDO TOWING, KING'S TOWING HAVE BEEN SERVING LAW ENFORCEMENT, UH, SINCE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE TOW BOARD. 
          OKAY. 
          WHICH WAS SEPTEMBER OF 2017. 
          AND THEN WE ADDED A FIFTH TOWING COMPANY, UM, CALL IN A PICKLE, AND THEY WERE ADDED IN JULY OF 2024. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THE BOARD IS REQUESTING, UM, A CAT DUE TO THE COST OF THE, UM, REPLACEMENT EQUIPMENT, UH, SUCH AS THE TOW TRUCK FROM THE WRECKERS, UM, AS WELL AS MAINTAINING TRUCK MAINTENANCE. 
          THE COMMERCIAL BUSINESS INSURANCE TAXES, REPAIR COSTS CONTINUE TO RISE EACH YEAR. 
          UM, IF MORE TOWS ARE ALLOWED TO BE ADDED TO THE ROTATION LIST, THEN WE'RE NOT ABLE TO PROVIDE THE NEEDED, UM, SERVICES FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT AND TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          HAVE YOU HAD OTHER TOWING COMPANIES THAT HAVE BEEN INTERESTED? IS THAT WHY THE, IS THAT WHAT BROUGHT ABOUT THE, THE, UM, THE MOVE TO SAY WE'RE GONNA CAP IT AT FIVE? UM, THEY, I MEAN THAT NOT SINCE THE INITIAL APPLICATIONS WENT IN IN MAY. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THOSE THAT, UM, SUBMITTED THEIR APPLICATION YEARLY, HAD THEIR TRUCKS, YOU KNOW, UH, CHECKED AND EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, THEN, THEN THEY WERE APPROVED, YOU KNOW, TO BE ON THE TOWING LIST. 
          BUT AGAIN, THE ECONOMY IS HORRIBLE . 
          RIGHT, I GOTCHA. 
          AND THE COST OF EVERYTHING IS, IS JUST CONTINUING TO RISE AND STUFF. 
          SO IF THE LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS ALSO SAID ON AT THE TOW BOARD THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY DIDN'T WANT LIKE 20 COMPANIES TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH ON THESE ACCIDENT SCENES. 
          RIGHT. 
          THEY BASICALLY CONTROL, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT GOES ON AT, AT THE SCENES AND STUFF. 
          AND THEY WERE SATISFIED. 
          THEY SAID EVERYTHING WAS, YOU KNOW, WELL, TAKING CARE OF BY THE COMPANIES THAT ARE ON THERE. 
          HOW DO YOU DO, UM, IS IT LIKE YOU TAKE MONDAY NIGHT, SOMEBODY TAKES TUESDAY, OR IS IT THEY HAVE THE FIVE AND THEY JUST GO DOWN THE LIST AND WHOEVER ANSWERS FIRST? I MEAN, HOW DO YOU NOW SPREAD IT OUT SO THAT EVERYBODY HAS A FAIR OPPORTUNITY? WELL, THE CUSTOMER, YOU KNOW, HAS THE RIGHT TO SELECT, UM, THEIR TOW, YOU KNOW, THE, THEY CAN REQUEST A CERTAIN TOW COMPANY TO, TO ASSIST THEM. 
          AND IF THEY CAN'T MAKE IT OUT THERE, THEN THEY GO TO THE TOW ROTATION LIST. 
          OKAY. 
          SEE, EACH LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY HAS THE LIST OF THE FIVE TOWING COMPANIES, AND THEY JUST GO IN ROTATION AS TO THE NEXT AVAILABLE TOW. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IF, IF I REQUESTED A, A TOW COMPANY THAT'S NOT ON THAT LIST, THAT DOESN'T KNOCK THEM OUT OF AN OPPORTUNITY. 
          UM, SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT DELEGATED JUST TO YOUR FIVE. 
          IF THE CUSTOMER SAYS, I WANT JOE'S TRUCKING COMPANY, TOWING COMPANY, THEY CAN CALL THAT ONE AS WELL? UM, THEY CAN, BUT IT DEPENDS. 
          YOU HAVE TO RESPOND WITHIN 30 MINUTES BECAUSE THE LAW ENFORCEMENT, THEIR MAIN OBJECTIVE IS TO CLEAR THE SCENE OF THE ACCIDENT. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WHEN YOU SAID THAT, THAT I UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THAT, THAT IF I HAVE AN OUTSIDE OF THAT FIVE COMPANIES THAT ARE ON THE TOW BOARD, THAT THEY'RE NOT KNOCKED OUT IF THE CUSTOMER WANTS THEM. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          'CAUSE WE'VE EVEN BEEN CALLED IN INTO OTHER COUNTIES AS WELL TO, TO ASSIST. 
          OKAY. 
          HAVE, HAS THERE ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT FIVE THAT, BECAUSE IT SOUNDS 
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LIKE THERE WERE FOUR AND THEN IN MAY IN A PICKLE WAS ADDED IN JULY. 
          HAS THERE USUALLY BEEN ABOUT FIVE? UM, THERE WAS FIVE IN THE BEGINNING, UM, AND THEN ONE DROPPED OFF AND THEN THERE WAS FOUR. 
          AND UNTIL THIS YEAR WE ADDED THE FIFTH TOW. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          AND HOW OFTEN, UH, I'M JUST ASKING, YOU SAID APPLICATIONS IN MAY, SO DOES THAT EVERY YEAR, THE D DO EVERY YEAR, THE FIVE COMPANIES BASICALLY REAPPLY TO BE ON THIS LIST? OR IS IT EVERY FOUR YEARS OR IT'S JUST ONCE YOU'RE ON THE LIST, YOU'RE ON THE LIST? WELL, THAT IS ANOTHER THING THAT WE WANTED TO ACCOMPLISH, WAS THAT THE FIVE TOWS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON THE LIST, STAY ON THE LIST AND UNTIL, YOU KNOW, LIKE SOMETHING WOULD HAPPEN WHERE YOU WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, KICKED OFF OR YOU DIDN'T QUALIFY OR SOME, SOME ASPECT OF THAT. 
          AND WHO MAKES THAT DECISION? THE TOWING BOARD. 
          YES. 
          AND YOU ALL WOULD DO IT BASED ON IF THERE WERE COMPLAINTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? CORRECT. 
          OF PEOPLE SAYING IT DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT GETTING THERE ON TIME AND THINGS OR LAW ENFORCEMENT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO YOU ALL WOULD EVALUATE WHETHER OR NOT SOMEBODY WAS NO LONGER ON THE LIST? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THE, THE BOARD WOULD, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          AND THAT BOARD CONSISTS OF MORE THAN JUST THE TOW TRUCK DRIVERS. 
          UH, THERE'S LAW, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENTS ON THERE, SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENTS ON THERE, UM, VIRGINIA STATE ON THE BOARD. 
          ON THE BOARD. 
          YEP. 
          YEAH, YOU HAVE, UM, YOU HAVE ONE CITIZEN AND YOU HAVE THREE TOWING COMPANIES, AND YOU ALSO HAVE THE THREE LAW ENFORCEMENT. 
          YEP. 
          SO SIX MEMBER BOARD. 
          SEVEN, SEVEN. 
          OH, I MISSED THE SEVEN. 
          WHAT'S THE SEVEN A CITIZEN'S? THERE'S CITIZEN'S DOWNS IS ONE. 
          YES. 
          SO, SO THIS, THIS TOW, THIS FIVE, THESE FIVE COMPANIES ARE LISTED LAW ENFORCEMENT AND FIRE AND RESCUE WILL CALL. 
          IS THAT, IS THAT RIGHT? THEY HAVE A LIST AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? YES. 
          THEY HAVE A, THEY HAVE A LIST. 
          I CAN PROVIDE YOU ALL A COPY. 
          UH, YEAH, THAT'S FINE. 
          IF YOU NEED IT. 
          UM, OF THE FIVE AND THEIR CONTACT INFORMATION, AND THEY, THEY GO IN ROTATION, HOWEVER THEIR ORGANIZATION RUNS IT TO IDENTIFY THIS IS ONLY, THIS IS ONLY IN REGARDS TO LAW ENFORCEMENT AND FIRE RESCUE CALLING TOKEN, IS THAT RIGHT? YES. 
          IT'S, IT'S ONLY LAW ENFORCEMENT. 
          ONLY LAW ENFORCEMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          LIKE AT THE SCENE OF AN ACCIDENT LIKE VIRGINIA STATE POLICE. 
          OKAY. 
          WE DON'T GET, THEY HAVE A LIMITED POOL. 
          YES. 
          UM, I, IT, IT, I MEAN, JUST AT THE, ON THE SURFACE OF IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE AN AGREED MONOPOLY. 
          I MEAN, AT WHEN A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PEOPLE ARE IN AND THEY SAY, OKAY, WELL WE'RE THE ONES, UH, LET'S JUST KEEP IT AT THIS. 
          UH, SO THAT CAN BE PROBLEMATIC. 
          UM, THE NOTION OF NOT THERE, YOU KNOW, BEING A LIMITED NUMBER ALSO MAKES SENSE. 
          SO I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          UH, I WONDER IF IT WOULD BE PLAUSIBLE TO SAY, UM, HAVE, UH, AN ANNUAL OR BIANNUAL OR SOME AMOUNT OF TIME THAT THERE'S A REVIEW. 
          'CAUSE IF, IF DURING THIS YEAR, FIVE MORE COMPANIES COME AND WANT TO BE ON THIS THING, AND THERE'S, AND THERE'S, THERE'S A FIVE CAN BE IN THE POOL, THEN COULD THE BOARD MEET AND DO AN EVALUATION OF THE FIVE WHO ARE ALREADY THERE? LOOK AT THEIR RECORD, LOOK AT THE APPLICATION OF THE NEW ONE. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, CAN THERE BE, CAN WE CONTEMPLATE SOME SORT OF PROCESS IN WHICH THERE IS TURNOVER AND IT'S NOT JUST, THESE ARE THE ONES WE WERE HERE AND WE'RE STAYING UNTIL WE ALL AGREE, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'RE GONNA GET SOMEBODY'S GONNA LEAVE. 
          CAN, IS THERE SOME PLACE IN THE MIDDLE WHERE THERE CAN BE A, A REVIEW, MAYBE ONE OF THE FIVE IS, IS NOT PERFORMING WELL, FOR EXAMPLE. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THERE COULD BE A SITUATION WHERE THE BOARD WOULD SAY, WE HAVE MANY APPLICANTS. 
          LET'S LOOK THROUGH THE RECORDS OF THE FIVE. 
          AND MAYBE THERE'S, UH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE NEED MAKE A CHANGE. 
          IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO THAT'S NOT JUST FIXING, IT'S IN BETWEEN? UM, WELL, IF SOMEONE GOT LIKE, SUSPENDED FROM THE LIST, OF COURSE THAT WOULD OPEN UP AN OPPORTUNITY, YOU KNOW, FOR ANOTHER TOW. 
          OR, I MEAN, I DON'T, I JUST MEAN IN GENERAL, THERE PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE SOME MECHANISM FOR SOME TURNOVER ON THAT LIST, I THINK TO HAVE A COMPETITIVE SITUATION. 
          THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY THOUGHT. 
          IS IT OPEN FOR DISCUSSION? I MEAN, YEAH. 
          IS IT POSSIBLE TO, 'CAUSE LIKE, UM, MY ADVOCATE AS WELL, CHRIS , HE WASN'T ABLE TO BE HERE TODAY AND STUFF. 
          SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD BRING BACK TO YOU ALL? WELL, WE DEFINITELY NEED TO, TO DISCUSS IT WITH BOTH OF OUR, UH, BOARDS. 
          THIS IS NOT A DECISION MAKING TONIGHT. 
          THIS IS JUST YOU PRESENTING, YOU KNOW, UM, THE ITEM TO US AND THEN WE'LL TAKE IT BACK TO OUR RESPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, THE BOARD MEMBERS AND THEN THE COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
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OKAY. 
          BUT, BUT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND, WHEN WE DO BRING IT BACK TO AT A WORK SESSION FOR COUNCIL, UM, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? IS THAT, THAT WE CAP THE AMOUNT OF TOWING COMPANIES THAT ARE ON THE LIST AND THAT LIST IS USED BY LAW ENFORCE THE THREE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES IF THERE IS AN ACCIDENT AND WHOMEVER THE VEHICLE OWNER DIDN'T CALL SOMEONE SPECIFIC, I MEAN, THEY PROBABLY ARE GONNA CALL YOU ALL IF THEY'RE LOCAL TOO, ANYWAY. 
          UM, THAT, THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO CAP IT AT FIVE AND THAT IT WOULD, YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO LIKE FOR THESE, THE COUNCIL AND THE BOARD TO CONSIDER WHOMEVER THOSE FIVE ARE, THAT THEY BASICALLY STAY ON THAT LIST OF FIVE UNLESS THERE IS A, UM, UNLESS THERE'S A PROBLEM, A COMPLAINT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          CORRECT. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT, YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I, I JUST WANNA SAY I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHY THAT YOU WOULD WANT THAT. 
          I MEAN, BECAUSE OF YOUR INVESTING IN EQUIPMENT AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND IF YOU WANNA KNOW THAT YOU, YOU WILL, THAT YOU WILL HAVE THAT, UH, REPETITIVE USE IN BUSINESS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          LIKE I TOTALLY GET THAT. 
          I, THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING YOU, DO YOU HAVE A LOT OF OTHER, I MEAN, I, I I'M AFRAID TO SAY I HAVEN'T HAD TO HAVE A TOWING COMPANY SINCE 2017. 
          UM, BUT, UM, I, ARE THERE A LOT OF TOWING COMPANIES IN FRONT, ROYAL WARREN COUNTY? 'CAUSE IF THEY HAVE TO BE HERE WITHIN 30 MINUTES, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE IN THE COUNTY. 
          IT'S NOT. 
          AND THEN I, AND I'M SURE WE WOULDN'T WANT ANYBODY ON OUR LIST THAT IS A BUSINESS OUTSIDE OF WARREN COUNTY, YOU KNOW, FOR, OR WARREN COUNTY. 
          BUT ARE THERE OTHER TOWING COMPANIES OTHER THAN THERE ARE, OKAY. 
          YES, THERE ARE SEVERAL TOWING COMPANIES IN THE AREA. 
          AND DID OTHERS APPLY IN MAY WHEN YOU ALL ACCEPTED NEW APPLICATIONS? NO. 
          ONLY ONE. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THAT'S GOOD INFORMATION TO KNOW. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT THERE ALSO HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, IN THE BY, IN, UH, NOT THE BYLAWS, BUT THE, UH, THE CODE FOR COUNTY AND TOWN. 
          TOWN, IT STATES THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR LOT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, BE IN BUSINESS AT LEAST SIX MONTHS PRIOR TO BEING ABLE TO, UH, SUBMIT YOUR APPLICATION TYPE THING. 
          SO RIGHT. 
          THERE ARE OTHER STIPULATIONS AND OF COURSE GETTING, UH, GETTING EVERYTHING APPROVED THROUGH ZONING AS WELL. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DO YOU WANT TO SHARE, HOW DO WE, I MEAN, SO THAT SHE KNOWS, DO YOU WANT TO, UM, HAVE THEM EAT THEM, COME TO YOUR BOARD, THEM COME TO, I MEAN, AND SHARE WITH US, OR JUST PROVIDE US AN INFORMATION WITH EMAIL? MR. WALTZ. 
          MR. DALEY, HOW WOULD YOU ALL RECOMMEND THAT? WOULD IT BE BEST FOR THEM TO JUST SHARE THE INFORMATION WITH Y'ALL AND YOU BRING IT BACK TO OUR RESPECTIVE BOARDS? OR DO YOU WANT SOMEBODY TO ACTUALLY COME AND SPEAK ABOUT IT? OBVIOUSLY IT WOULDN'T BE AT A MEETING, IT WOULD BE AT A, A REGULAR MEETING. 
          IT WOULD BE AT A WORK SESSION. 
          WHAT DO YOU THINK'S BEST? I THINK IT'S, UM, PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, THERE ARE NUMBER OF TOWING COMPANIES OUT THERE, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF THEM THAT DO NOT WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS, PARTICULARLY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT OKAY. 
          AND SO FORTH. 
          THEY DON'T LIKE BEING ON THE CALL ROTATION SCHEDULE. 
          AND SO I THINK BEING ABLE TO CAP IT AS SHE SUGGESTS, IF YOU SEND THAT TO US AS AN EMAIL, WE CAN TAKE IT BEFORE THE BOARD AND THE COUNCIL AND SEE WHETHER THEY WANT TO EXPLORE IT FURTHER OR WHETHER IT'S JUST OKAY TO APPROVE. 
          OKAY. 
          I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF SOME TYPE OF AN ANNUAL REVIEW OF THE PARTICIPANTS. 
          UM, HOW MANY FAILED TO SHOW UP WHEN THEY WEREN'T, WHEN HOW MANY TIMES DID A COMPANY FAIL TO SHOW UP TYPE DEAL AND YOU HAD TO CALL A SECOND COMPANY. 
          BUT I THINK WE COULD HAND, WE COULD TAKE IT AS AN EMAIL AND THEN JUST SHOW US THE LANGUAGE THAT YOU WANT MR. WOLF, AND WE CAN THEN TAKE IT TO THE BOARD AND THE COUNCIL. 
          CORRECT. 
          I THINK THE NEXT STEP HAVE THAT LANGUAGE TO INCORPORATE INTO THE BYLAWS BECAUSE THE BYLAWS STIPULATE THE APPLICATION, THE CRITERIA FOR THE TOWING COMPANY. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE A STANDARD IN THAT LIST. 
          SO I WOULD WORK ON THAT LANGUAGE AND THEN WE CAN INCORPORATE IT INTO BYLAWS BECAUSE THE BYLAWS I THINK ARE PRETTY, UH, REPLICATED IN BOTH THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY CODES. 
          CORRECT. 
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OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THANK YOU. 
          BRINGING THAT TO OUR ATTENTION. 
          THANK APPRECIATE AND THANK YOU FOR SERVING ON IT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS 
          [2. Property Maintenance Code – County]
THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE AND MR. BEAM'S GONNA WALK US THROUGH THAT. 
          APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE TO DO THAT TONIGHT. 
          I THINK YOU ALL RECEIVED THE, UH, SHEET THAT I HAD PUT TOGETHER, FLOW CHART. 
          IF NOT, I'LL GIVE A COPY OF, BUT THIS IS AS WELL, UNLESS IT'S IN HERE. 
          DID YOU RECEIVE, IF NOT I'LL OKAY. 
          I, I DON'T THINK SO. 
          UHUH STILL A LITTLE SMALL TO READ, BUT THAT'S OKAY. 
          IT'S BETTER THAN DO THERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE WERE TASKED TO PUT TOGETHER A FLOW CHART FOR BASICALLY THE COMPLAINTS AS FAR AS FOR, UH, VIOLATIONS OF EITHER THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE AND OR THE BUILDING CODE. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT THE CHART, UM, THERE'S ONLY THREE POSSIBLE OUTCOMES FOR THE ENTIRE PROCESS. 
          ONE, WE FIND THAT IT'S UNSUBSTANTIATED. 
          BASICALLY THERE'S A COMPLAINT THAT WAS GENERATED BUT ACTUALLY DOES NOT MEET ANY REQUIREMENTS AS FAR AS THE VIOLATIONS. 
          UH, THE SECOND IS TO HAVE COMPLIANCE. 
          WHEN THE, UH, ITEM IS FOUND, IT, IT, UH, IS NOTED AND THE INDIVIDUAL TAKES CARE OF IT, WHETHER IT BE THE HOMEOWNER OR WHETHER IT BE THE LANDLORD OR WHOEVER. 
          THAT MIGHT BE. 
          THE THIRD IS THROUGH THE LEGAL PROCESS. 
          UM, WITH THE LEGAL PROCESS, YOU'VE GOTTA GO THROUGH THE COURT SYSTEM AND THEN TYPICALLY YOU'LL HAVE COMPLIANCE. 
          THERE HAVE BEEN OCCASIONS WHERE THAT STILL HAS NOT TAKEN PLACE AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO, UH, WORK THROUGH THAT SYSTEM AS FAR AS TO ACTUALLY TRY TO GET THE COMPLIANCE. 
          UM, IF YOU LOOK AT IT, THE UH, TOP BOX THAT YOU HAVE ON THIS SIDE BASICALLY TELLS YOU EVERYBODY THAT IS ACTUALLY ABLE TO PROVIDE A COMPLAINT, IT, IT'S BASICALLY EVERYONE. 
          UM, WE GET CALLS FROM THE, UH, 9 1 1 OFFICE TO GO OUT FOR ACCIDENTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE AND OR COLLAPSES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. 
          UH, INDIVIDUALS THAT MAY HAVE HOARDING ISSUES AND THINGS OF THAT, UH, THAT ARE FOUND AFTER HOURS. 
          WE GET THOSE AS WELL. 
          WE RESPOND TO THOSE. 
          WE MAKE OUR, IN OUR NOTICE AND EITHER DETERMINE THAT IT'S AN UNSAFE STRUCTURE, WE ASK THEM TO VACATE. 
          THAT'S A VERY STICKY SITUATION FOR THE SIMPLE FACT THAT WITHIN THE COUNTY, WE ARE NOT ACTUALLY ALLOWED TO DICTATE TO A PROPERTY OWNER TO VACATE THEIR OWN PROPERTY THAT'S IN THE COUNTY CODE. 
          HOWEVER, WE CAN SUGGEST THAT WE CAN HAVE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND OR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT PULL THE METER SO THAT THEY ACTUALLY HAVE NO POWER AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. 
          WE HAVE YET TO HAVE ANYBODY THAT HAS NOT COMPLIED WITH THAT. 
          UH, WHEN WE SUGGEST IT, THEY'RE MORE THAN WILLING TO LEAVE BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT WE'VE TAKEN A LOOK AT IT AND IT'S NECESSARY TO, TO LEAVE THE ONES THAT WE'RE PROBABLY IN REFERENCE TO THAT MS. CALLERS HAD INDICATED AS FAR AS WITH THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE. 
          PROPERTY MAINTENANCE, UM, BECOMES AN ISSUE FOR THE SIMPLE FACT THAT YOU HAVE TWO PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY CAN ACTUALLY MAKE A COMPLAINT THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY FOLLOW UP ON. 
          THAT'S GONNA BE THE TENANT AND OR THE LANDLORD. 
          TYPICALLY, IF A LANDLORD'S THE ONE THAT'S, UH, CALLING TO COMPLAIN, IT'S BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN AN ISSUE WITH THE TENANT. 
          THEY'RE TRYING TO GET THEM EVICTED, GET THEM OUTTA THE PLACE SO THAT THEY CAN MOVE ON, MAKE THE REPAIRS. 
          THAT VERY SELDOM HAPPENS. 
          IT'S TYPICALLY THE TENANT THAT'S GONNA BE CALLING IN. 
          MOST OF THE TIME THAT TENANT IS CALLING BECAUSE THEY'VE RECEIVED AN EVIC EVICTION NOTICE. 
          UM, AND THEY'RE WANTING TO COMPLAIN AND HOPEFULLY MAKE THEM, ALLOW THEM TO STAY. 
          WE CAN ONLY GO INTO THE AREAS THAT ACTUALLY THE TENANT HAS ACCESS TO. 
          WE HAVE A LOT WHERE THEY'LL COMPLAIN BECAUSE THE BASEMENT ISN'T SAFE. 
          UH, THE THINGS ARE GOING ON DOWN THERE. 
          NOW THEY MAY HAVE HAD ACCESS TO THAT THEMSELVES, BUT WE CAN'T GO IN THERE WITHOUT A WARRANT. 
          AND THAT'S, UH, A LONG DRAWN OUT PROCESS BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TO ACTUALLY PROVE TO THE MAGISTRATE THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY OR NECESS NECESSITY TO GO INTO THOSE AREAS. 
          THE OTHER 
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IS WHEN WE HAVE A COMBINED EFFORT AS FAR AS WITH THE MAINTENANCE OFFICIAL FOR THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, BECAUSE WITH THE TOWN HAVING A MAINTENANCE CODE, THEY CAN GO IN A LITTLE BIT EASIER THAN WHAT WE CAN IN SITUATIONS BECAUSE THEY'RE LOOKING AT MUCH MORE THAN WHAT, UH, WE CAN LOOK AT. 
          BECAUSE THE BUILDING CODE REALLY DEFINES WHERE WE'RE ALLOWED TO STAY IN OUR LANE. 
          UM, SO IF WE GO IN WITH THE MAINTENANCE OFFICIAL, WE CAN LOOK AT THOSE THINGS. 
          NOW, IF  OKAY, , IF THE, UH, MAINTENANCE OFFICIAL GOES IN AND SEES A CODE VIOLATION, THE PROPER PROCESS IS, IS THAT THERE ARE, TO INFORM THE PERSON THAT THEY NEED TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT TO CORRECT THAT NOTICE OF VIOLATION. 
          THEY THEN ARE REQUIRED TO COME TO US. 
          WE CAN'T ACTUALLY FORCE THEM TO GO TO US UNLESS WE GO THROUGH THE LEGAL PROCESS. 
          AND THAT INVOLVES THE ATTORNEYS GETTING INVOLVED TO TAKE IT TO COURT, WHICH IS A LONG DRAWN OUT PROCESS AS WELL. 
          UM, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS AS FAR AS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP PREVIOUSLY. 
          I BELIEVE ONE OF THEM HAPPENS TO BE MOLD, MOLD WITHIN THE CODES, EITHER THE BUILDING CODE, UH, THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE, AND ALSO THE FIRE PREVENTION CODE. 
          THE WORD DOES NOT EXIST. 
          THERE'S ONLY ONE ACTUAL PLACE THAT MOLD EXISTS AND THAT'S IN THE RELATED LAWS PACKAGE. 
          AND THAT ACTUALLY ONLY APPLIES TO SCHOOLS. 
          SO OUR, OUR LANE AS FAR AS THERE, IT GETS VERY CONVOLUTED BECAUSE IF IT'S NOT ACTUALLY PRESCRIBED WITHIN THE DOCUMENT, WE HAVE NO JURISDICTION OVER IT. 
          NOW WITH THAT BEING SAID, AN UNFIT AND INHABITABLE SPACE CAN LEAD YOU INTO THE MOLD AREA. 
          HOWEVER, WE ARE NOT TECHNICAL EXPERTS TO DETERMINE WHETHER MOLD IS THERE OR NOT. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT EITHER THE A, THE TENANT OR THE LANDLORD WOULD HAVE TO DO TO HAVE IT ACTUALLY TESTED TO DETERMINE WHETHER IT'S MOLD TO HAVE THAT DONE IS VERY EXPENSIVE. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO TAKE ON AND THEN PRESENT THAT TO US TO ACTUALLY HAVE ANY TYPE OF ENFORCEMENT. 
          AND THAT WITHIN THE TOWN WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE BUILDING CODE IN THAT ASPECT BECAUSE OF THE UNFIT AND INHABITABLE CONDITIONS. 
          UM, I BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS A QUESTION AS FAR AS DERELICT BUILDINGS. 
          UM, I DID A WORD SEARCH AS FAR AS WITHIN IT BECAUSE I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I WASN'T MISSING IT WITHIN THE CONSTRUCTION CODE. 
          DERELICT BUILDING IS NOT DEFINED. 
          IT, IT'S NOT EVEN, IT DOESN'T EXIST. 
          IT DOESN'T EXIST IN THE MAINTENANCE CODE AND IT DOESN'T EXIST IN THE FIRE DEPART IN THE STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE. 
          IT DOES, IT IS MENTIONED WITHIN THE RELATED LAWS PACKAGES, AND I'M, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE RELATED LAWS PACKAGES. 
          IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE BUILDING CODE AT ALL, THERE ARE THREE PARTS TO IT. 
          THERE'S THE CONSTRUCTION CODE, THERE'S THE EXISTING BUILDING CODE, AND ACTUALLY FOUR PARTS BECAUSE THE EXISTING BUILDING CODE WAS BROKEN OUT. 
          YOU HAVE THE MAINTENANCE CODE AND THEN YOU HAVE THE STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE. 
          THE RELATED LAWS PACKAGES IS A DOCUMENT THAT'S PUT TOGETHER BY DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TO ASSIST BUILDING AS WELL AS ALL THE OTHER DOCUMENTS AND JURISDICTIONAL, UH, PEOPLE TO SEE HOW THE BUILDING CODE RELATES BACK TO THE LAW ITSELF. 
          AND WITHIN THE RELATED LAWS PACKAGE. 
          THE DERELICT BUILDING IS ME MENTIONED 15 TIMES 14 OF THOSE TIMES HAS TO DO WITH THE TAX ABATEMENT PROGRAM. 
          SO IF YOU ADOPT A PROPERTY OR ADOPT A TAX ABATEMENT PROGRAM, THEN YOU HAVE THE ABILITY THROUGH WHOEVER YOU DETERMINE NEEDS TO ENFORCE THAT. 
          THE DERELICT BUILDINGS PORTION OF IT, THE DERELICT BUILDINGS HAS A DEFINITION, LET ME PULL THAT UP. 
          SAYS FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS SECTION, DERELICT BUILDING SHALL MEAN A RESIDENTIAL OR NON-RESIDENTIAL BUILDING OR STRUCTURE, WHETHER OR NOT CONSTRUCTED HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTION HAS BEEN COMPLETED. 
          THAT MIGHT ENDANGER THE PUBLIC'S HEALTH, SAFETY OR WELFARE FOR THE CONTINUANCE PERIOD OF IN EXCESS OF SIX MONTHS, IT HAS BEEN VACANT, BOARDED UP IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE BUILDING CODE. 
          UH, THREE, NOT LAWFULLY CONNECTED TO ELECTRICAL SERVICE OR UTILITY PROVIDER FOR, UH, OR NOT LAWFULLY CONNECTED TO THE, UH, WATER AND SEWER FROM THE UTILITY PROVIDER. 
          SO THERE ARE THREE CRITERIA TO DETERMINE A DERELICT BUILDING AND A DEFINITION, BUT THAT GOES HAND IN HAND. 
          LIKE I SAID, WITH ANY LOCALITY THAT HAS 
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A REAL ESTATE TAX ABATEMENT PROGRAM IN ACCORDANCE WITH THIS SECTION, MAY BY ORDINANCE PROVIDE THE DERELICT BUILDING PORTIONS OF IT. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IF YOU CHOOSE TO, THEN YOU HAVE TO DETERMINE WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH THAT AND WHO YOU WANT TO ACTUALLY ENFORCE THAT. 
          UM, UNSAFE BUILDING AND, UH, STRUCTURE. 
          THERE IS A DEFINITION FOR IT IN THE VIRGINIA CONSTRUCTION CODE AS WELL AS THE MAINTENANCE CODE. 
          AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE UNSAFE BUILDING OR STRUCTURE THE WAY THAT MOST JURISDICTIONS SPECIFICALLY THAT DO NOT HAVE A MAINTENANCE CODE, ACTUALLY HAVE IT WHERE IT BASICALLY FITS THE DEFINITION. 
          AND THAT'S WHEN YOU HAVE A, UH, IMMEDIATE OR IMMINENT THREAT TO THE LIFE SAFETY AND HEALTH OF THE OCCUPANTS AND THE PUBLIC. 
          SO THERE'S VERY CLEAR DEFINITION. 
          GOTTA BE SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IMMEDIATELY OR IMMINENT AS FAR AS THAT GOES. 
          SO I'VE GIVEN YOU A LOT OF INFORMATION. 
          DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? AM I ANSWERING WHAT INFORMATION YOU WERE LOOKING FOR? I THINK THIS CAME UP IN JANUARY MAYBE AT OUR LIAISON MEETING. 
          SUPERVISOR COOK, I BELIEVE WAS THE ONE THAT HAD BROUGHT UP. 
          AND I, I THINK THAT, I THINK OBVIOUSLY WE COULD CLARIFY WITH HER, UM, THAT IT CENTERED AROUND JUST SOME CONCERN ABOUT SOME OF THE PROPERTIES AROUND TOWN, LIKE RENTAL PROPERTIES. 
          I BELIEVE MY, OKAY. 
          I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR HER, BUT I THINK THAT WAS THE CONCERN IS, IS, UM, JUST, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE PEOPLE AND, AND THEIR FRUSTRATION WITH THE WAY IN WHICH SOME OF THEIR BUILDINGS WHERE THEY'RE LIVING OR ARE KEPT AND JUST REALLY, I THINK THE QUESTION WAS LIKE, IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO? IS THERE, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN WE DO TO, TO HELP PEOPLE? UM, AND AND IT WAS INTERESTING THAT YOU SAID EARLIER THAT THERE'S TWO TYPES OF COMPLAINTS THE LANDLORD CALLING TO SAY WE HAVING DIFFICULTY EVICTING SOMEONE OR THE TENANTS CALLING. 
          BUT, BUT, UM, BUT THAT, THAT USUALLY FOLLOWED MAYBE NOTICE OF THEM BEING EVICTED. 
          AND I CAN SEE HOW THOSE THINGS COULD HAPPEN. 
          I, I FEEL LIKE I HEAR FROM PEOPLE THAT THEY DON'T WANNA BE EVICTED, THEY JUST WANT THINGS TO BE IMPROVED. 
          NOT THAT THEY'RE EVEN BEING THREATENED TO BE EVICTED. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I THINK THAT, UM, THE HOUSING, THE RENTAL MARKET, THE HOUSING MARKET, THE HOUSING INVENTORY, WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT, WHAT'S AVAILABLE TO PEOPLE RIGHT NOW IN OUR COMMUNITY, IT'S VERY, IT'S LIMITED AND PEOPLE ARE LIVING IN PLACES THAT THEY DON'T FEEL IS HEALTH SAFE OR FOR THEIR WELFARE OF THEIR FAMILY AND THEIR CHILDREN. 
          UM, AND SO, BUT THEY'RE AFRAID TO COMPLAIN TO THE LANDLORD. 
          I MEAN, I, I'M BEING COMPLETELY HONEST, PEOPLE HAVE ABSOLUTELY SAID THAT TO ME. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN OUT, UH, TALKING TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT CITIZENS SINCE JULY. 
          AND THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT I'M HEARING IS, IS THAT THEY'RE AFRAID TO COMPLAIN BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY LIVE IF THEY KICK THEM OUT. 
          AND THAT'S A SCARY THING FOR A PARENT. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THAT WAS A LOT OF THE JANUARY CONVERSATION WAS WAS THERE SOMETHING THAT THE TOWN COUNTY, LIKE WHAT COULD WE DO ABOUT THAT SITUATION? AND I, YOU KNOW, SO I I WAS LISTENING TO EVERYTHING YOU SAID, UM, AND IT FEELS LIKE OVERALL THAT WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE SAYING IS THERE'S REALLY VERY LITTLE WE CAN DO IS LITTLE THAT WE CAN DO BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU HAD JUST SAID. 
          BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT, THEY, THEY DON'T WANT TO MAKE THE COMPLAINT BECAUSE THEY'RE FEARFUL OR THEY MAKE THE COMPLAINT WHEN IT IS ACTUALLY AT ABSOLUTELY THE END OF STRAW BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE GETTING THEIR EVICTION NOTICE. 
          RIGHT. 
          OR THE LANDLORD IS TRYING TO EVICT THEM AND THEY WANT TO FIND A REASON TO GET THE TENANT OUT OF THE STRUCTURE. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, THE, THE HOUSING MARKET WITHIN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL AND SOME ACTUALLY WITHIN THE COUNTY, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE REALLY A RENTAL PROGRAM OR A RENTAL TYPE BASIS IN THE COUNTY, BUT IT'S LONG TERM SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING. 
          THIS MAY BE BECOME AN ISSUE AS FAR AS WITH THE SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL, BUT IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T WANNA STAY THERE, THEY WON'T RENT IT . 
          SO. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT'S KIND OF A, A, A VAGUE AREA, BUT WITHIN THE TOWN, THERE ARE BUILDINGS THAT I WOULD NEVER MYSELF 
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WANT TO OCCUPY. 
          I I WILL TELL YOU THAT RIGHT NOW, UH, I'VE BEEN IN SOME OF THOSE THAT I JUST, I WANNA LEAVE . 
          UM, UNFORTUNATELY THERE ARE ONLY SO MANY THINGS THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY DO. 
          AND QUITE FRANKLY, I WILL TELL YOU PROBABLY 99%, AND IT PROBABLY IS EVEN MORE THAN THAT, THE ONLY WAY YOU'RE GONNA GET CORRECTION IS TO TAKE THE INDIVIDUALS TO COURT. 
          THAT INVOLVES A LOT OF TIME AND A LOT OF, A LOT OF MONEY OUT OF THE POCKETS OF THE CITIZENS TO PURSUE THAT. 
          WILL YOU RECOUP THAT AS FAR AS WITH THE, THE LANDLORD TYPICALLY IS WHAT IT'S GONNA END UP WITH? I DOUBT. 
          UM, MOST PROGRAMS THAT HAVE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE INVOLVED ARE NOT A CASH GENERATING UH, ITEM. 
          IT BASICALLY IS MONEY THAT IS SPENT. 
          UH, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO RECOUP THAT 'CAUSE YOUR FINES ARE LIMITED AS TO WHAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY FIND THAT INDIVIDUAL COURT COSTS. 
          I'M NOT SURE ABOUT BECAUSE I'VE NEVER BEEN THROUGH THAT PARTICULAR PROCESS. 
          I KNOW WITHIN THE CONSTRUCTION CODE YOU CAN'T RECOUP YOUR COSTS AS FAR AS FOR COURT COSTS. 
          SO IT IS REALLY A BURDEN ON THE CITIZENS AS WELL. 
          SO THE MAINTENANCE PROGRAM IS PROBABLY THE BEST PORTION OF IT WITHIN THE TOWN. 
          HOWEVER, REALLY THE RENTAL INSPECTION PROGRAM IS PROBABLY WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE TO GET THESE PROPERTIES UP TO WHERE THEY SHOULD BE. 
          BECAUSE AT THAT POINT IN TIME, THE LANDLORD'S NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO RENT THAT PROPERTY UNTIL IT'S TAKEN CARE OF. 
          AND THAT WAS GONNA BE MY QUESTION, IS THERE A WAY TO HAVE INSPECTIONS? I MEAN, YOU CAN DRIVE DOWN ROYAL AVENUE AND LOOK IN SOME OF THESE BUILDINGS, THE WINDOWS DON'T EVEN HAVE ALL THE WINDOW PANES IN THEM. 
          MM-HMM. 
           AND, YOU KNOW, THE ONE, THE RAILING WAS LAYING ON THE GROUND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S OBVIOUS MAINTENANCE ISSUES THAT TO ME, THERE OUGHT TO BE A WAY TO HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE. 
          THOSE ARE SAFETY ISSUES. 
          MM-HMM. 
           AND, YOU KNOW, A HOME INSPECTION, YOU KNOW, ONCE A YEAR OR WHATEVER JUST SEEMS REASONABLE TO ME THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, DON'T THEY REQUIRE THAT OF THE HOTELS AND THINGS, UM, THAT THEY GET INSPECTED OR NOT? NOT NECESSARILY, NO. 
          UM, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY IN, UH, DO AN ANNUAL INSPECTION. 
          TYPICALLY, IT'S ONLY WHEN THAT TURNOVER HAPPENS THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY DO THE INSPECTION. 
          SO IF I RENT A ROOM, I HAVEN LOOKED AT IT CLOSELY ENOUGH TO SEE IF IT'S AN ANNUAL, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT IS. 
          WELL, EVEN THAT WOULD BE BETTER THAN NOTHING. 
          YES. 
          BECAUSE YOU COULD KEEP THAT PLACE FROM BEING RENTED AT THAT POINT IN TIME. 
          SO I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN PROBABLY ABOUT SEVEN OR EIGHT WITHIN THE TOWN AS FAR AS PROPERTIES THAT WE HAVE HAD COMPLIANCE COME ABOUT. 
          UM, THE PROPERTY OWNER ON ROYAL AVENUE, I'M PRETTY SURE I KNOW WHICH ONE IS THE SAME ONE THAT WAS UP HERE ON WARREN AVENUE. 
          WE'VE HAD A INDIVIDUAL FALL THROUGH A FLOOR, UH, ON THAT ONE THAT'S BEEN AT LEAST FIVE OR SIX YEARS AGO. 
          WE GOT COMPLIANCE OUT OF THAT, BUT WE ONLY CORRECTED WHAT WAS ALLOWED TO BE TAKEN CARE OF AT THAT POINT IN TIME. 
          WE HAD ANOTHER ONE THAT NOBODY FELL THROUGH THE FLOOR, BUT THE FLOOR HAD ACTUALLY STARTED TO COLLAPSE. 
          WE WERE ABLE TO GET IN, UH, WE FOUND WORK WITHOUT PERMITS SO THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY INFLICT UH, THOSE CORRECTIONS ON THAT AS WELL. 
          SO THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, WHEN WE GO IN AS A GROUP AND WE CAN FIND THINGS THAT WE CAN TAKE CARE OF, WE WILL, BUT THAT DIDN'T CHANGE THE CONDITION OF THE ACTUAL LIVING SPACE REALLY, OTHER THAN THE SAFETY FACTOR THAT WE FOUND. 
          MR. BEAM, DOES IT SOUND, UH, UH, IS THIS SOMETHING BECAUSE THE LAWS AND CODES DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TEETH TO THEM? IS THAT, I MEAN, IS, I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU WHAT I MEAN, I'M LISTENING TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S VERY LITTLE WE CAN DO HERE AND VERY LITTLE WE CAN DO HERE. 
          AND I I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THERE'S, I MEAN WE'RE, WE'RE A A LOCALITY, BUT I'M JUST, IS THERE SOMETHING AT THE STATE THAT THEY SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THIS SO THAT, SO THAT LOCALITIES COULD ADDRESS? UM, I CAN'T ADDRESS IT. 
          I CAN'T DO, I'M SORRY. 
          I SAID YOU CAN ADDRESS IT, MA'AM. 
          OKAY. 
          I, WELL, I WAS JUST, I, I CAN PROVIDE YOU WITH A DOCUMENT THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER IN 2010 FOR BLIGHT, FIGHT TECHNIQUES CURRENTLY AVAILABLE IN VIRGINIA, UH, THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO THE TOWN PREVIOUSLY. 
          UM, BUT IT DEALS WITH VACANT BUILDINGS SPOTLIGHT, IT DEALS WITH, UH, TAX DELINQUENT PROPERTIES. 
          UM, IT DEALS WITH SPECIAL TYPES OF BLIGHT, CONDI CONDITIONS. 
          THERE'S 
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A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT YOU CAN ADOPT THAT STILL DOES NOT TAKE CARE OF THE COST ISSUE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE BIGGEST THING. 
          SURE. 
          SO ONCE YOU CHOOSE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT WILL BE AN EXPENSE THAT YOU HAVE TO APPLY TO IT OR IT'S NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING. 
          YOU CAN, YOU CAN HAVE AS MANY PROGRAMS AS YOU WANT. 
          IF YOU DON'T FUND IT, IT'S NOT GONNA TAKE CARE OF THE SITUATION. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND LET, AND LET ME BE CLEAR, I I DON'T THINK IT'S JUST A TOWN ISSUE BECAUSE I KNOW THERE ARE PLACES IN THE COUNTY THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE ISSUES WITH AS WELL. 
          SO I KNOW IT'S NOT JUST, UH, THE TOWN, BUT IT SOUNDS MORE LIKE, UNFORTUNATELY THE PROBLEM CAN BE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES, YOU KNOW, NOT, YOU KNOW, UM, AND WHAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO BE ABLE TO DO. 
          SO, UM, ANYWAY, DO WE, BY ADOPTING WHATEVER YOU CHOOSE TO ADOPT EITHER THE TOWN AND OR THE COUNTY, THAT'S GOTTA BE AT THE GOVERNMENTAL LEVEL. 
          IT'S NOT SOMETHING, IT'S A POLICY THAT WE CAN PUT INTO PLACE. 
          IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE ADOPTED AND PUT INTO THE LOCAL CODES SO THAT IT CAN BE ACTUALLY TAKEN CARE OF. 
          BUT AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S STILL A COST TO THE PUBLIC BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO COST MONEY. 
          MY LAST ESTIMATE WHEN I WAS, UH, PUTTING THIS TOGETHER, I THINK BACK IN 2 20 14, WAS IT WOULD PROBABLY TAKE THE COUNTY OVER A MILLION DOLLARS TO ACTUALLY HAVE A PROPERTY MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT FOR ANNUAL BUDGET BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE AT LEAST THREE INSPECTORS AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE AT LEAST A FULL-TIME, IF NOT TWO FULL-TIME ATTORNEYS DOING THE PROCESS. 
          AND I WILL TELL YOU, IT IS VERY METICULOUS BECAUSE THE VERY SLIGHTEST THING CAN THROW IT OUT AND YOU HAVE TO START ALL OVER AGAIN. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY DID WAS THEY CHANGED THE LAWS IN THE REGULATIONS BECAUSE THEY WERE HAVING PEOPLE THAT WOULD ACTUALLY, BEFORE IT WOULD GO TO COURT, THEY WOULD TRANSFER OWNERSHIP. 
          SO IT WAS NOT IN THEIR NAME, IT WAS SOMEBODY THAT THEY PARTNERED WITH. 
          BUT BECAUSE THE OWNERSHIP LEVEL CHANGED, THAT PROCESS HAD TO START ALL OVER AGAIN. 
          WOW. 
          AND I KNOW THAT, I JUST WANT TO STATE THIS AS WELL, THAT NOT EVERY PERSON WHO'S A LANDLORD IS PART OF THIS PROBLEM. 
          ABSOLUTELY NOT. 
          BECAUSE THERE'S PLENTY OF PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT ARE GOOD LANDLORDS. 
          UM, I THINK WE ALL KNOW, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, WHERE SOME PROBLEMS LIE. 
          BUT ANYWAY, I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FROM THE, FROM FOR MR. BEAM. 
          DO YOU GUYS NOPE. 
          I, I WILL SAY ONE THING, AND I MAY BE OUT OF STEP WITH BY SAYING THIS, BUT YOU HAVE ONE, UM, ONE THING THAT'S GONNA BE COMING TO THE TOWN, UH, HERE SHORTLY, BECAUSE IT WAS, UH, I BELIEVE APPROVED TUESDAY EVENING FOR A MULTI MULTIFAMILY COMPLEX WITHIN THE TOWN. 
          THAT WOULD BE A, A GODSEND TO PEOPLE TO HAVE CHO CHOICES AND OPTIONS AS FAR AS THAT GOES. 
          UM, THEY'RE THE THINGS THAT ARE PROBLEMATIC WITH THE PROPOSAL, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU NEED TO LOOK TO BECAUSE THE HOUSING, THE HOUSING STOCK IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE INCREASED FOR THE LOW INCOME, IF THAT'S ALL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT, NEXT 
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IS INCREASE IN SOLID WASTE TIPPING FEES, MS. MS. COLOR, OR DID YOU ALL WANNA PRESENT ANYTHING? DID YOU ALL WANNA TALK ABOUT ANYTHING OR YOU'RE JUST HERE TO LISTEN? I, I DIDN'T KNOW IF THIS WAS SOMETHING I GOTCHA. 
          I JUST DIDN'T KNOW. 
          I DIDN'T WANT TO NOT GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY. 
          THANKS. 
          AND THE SOLID WASTE TIPPING FEE IS, UM, YOUR ITEM. 
          YES, ABSOLUTELY. 
          SO, UM, SO, AND THIS WAS AN ACTUAL ITEM THAT WOULD'VE BEEN ON THE JULY, UH, UH, LIAISON MEETING. 
          'CAUSE AT THAT POINT IT WAS, IT WAS, UM, A NEW, NEW, UH, NEW ITEM TO US. 
          SO THE, THE BULLET POINT THERE SAYS, DISCUSSION ON HOW TO BETTER COMMUNICATE WITH INCREASES IN FEES AFFECTING BOTH TOWN AND COUNTY CITIZENS. 
          SO LET ME JUST BACK UP A LITTLE BIT. 
          UM, THE TOWN DID A COST OF SERVICE STUDY FOR OUR, UM, SOLID WASTE. 
          AND WE ALREADY KNEW THERE WERE GONNA BE AN INCREASE, UH, FOR OUR CITIZENS BECAUSE OF OBVIOUSLY INFLATION AND OTHER THINGS. 
          SO WE KNEW WE WERE GOING TO HAVE TO INCREASE OUR FEES AND WE WERE, WE WERE ALREADY TRYING TO GRAB, GRASP THAT. 
          AND THEN WHEN YOU GUYS APPROVED SOMETHING AT THE END OF JUNE, THAT UM, EQUATED TO LIKE $4 EXTRA FOR CITIZENS AND WE WERE ALREADY LOOKING AT LIKE $4. 
          SO I GUESS MY THING IS JUST THAT 
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WHAT WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IS LIKE HOW TO BETTER, HOW TO BETTER COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER. 
          SO WE ARE PREPARED FOR THAT. 
          'CAUSE I KNOW FOR YOU ALL, IT WAS AT THE END OF JULY FOR US, BUT JUST LIKE YOU ALL, OUR YEAR STARTS JULY ONE AND WE WERE IN THE RED FOR A LITTLE WHILE THERE BECAUSE WE WEREN'T COLLECTING ENOUGH, UM, TO BE ABLE TO, TO TAKE CARE OF THAT. 
          THE OTHER THING THAT, AND I, THIS IS WHY I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE GONNA EXPLAIN IT SO THAT THE CI CITIZENS CAN BETTER UNDERSTAND IT. 
          'CAUSE WE ARE GETTING, UM, A LOT OF GRIEF, A LOT OF QUESTIONS, A LOT OF PEOPLE ASKING, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THE INCREASE AND YOU KNOW, TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO THEM ABOUT HOW, HOW, UM, HOW IT CAME ABOUT. 
          AND CITIZENS DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY'RE BEING CHARGED IN THEIR MIND EXTRA, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS FROM ZERO TO 240,000. 
          BUT WHILE THEY'RE BEING CHARGED EXTRA TO USE THE TRANSFER STATION WHEN THEY'RE PAYING TAXES THAT TAKE CARE OF THE TRANSFER STATION, THE STAFF AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND I KNOW THAT SOUNDS VERY SIMPLISTIC, I'M JUST SAYING THIS IS THE WAY IT'S BEEN PORTRAYED TO, TO, TO US. 
          LIKE, WHY IF I GET IN MY CAR AND I'M A TOWN CITIZEN AND I TAKE MY STUFF TO TRANSFER STATION AND I DUMP, UM, MY, MY, MY TRASH, MY SOLID WASTE, I WOULDN'T PAY ANYTHING. 
          BUT BECAUSE THE, UH, THE STAFF IN THE TOWN ARE PICKING UP THE TRASH AND TAKING IT THERE THAT THEY'RE PAYING A FEE. 
          YOU KNOW, WHEN WE, WHEN WE LOOKED AT ALL THIS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE LOOKED AT ALL AT THE AVENUES OF WHAT WE COULD DO, WOULD, WOULD PRIVA PRIVATIZATION WORK? IS THERE SERVICES THAT WE WANT TO DO WOULD BE ABLE TO, TO CUT BACK ON TO BRING THE COST DOWN. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A MENTION OF WE DON'T PROVIDE TRASH SERVICE ANYMORE IF, AND WE ALL KNOW THAT WOULD NOT BE THE BEST, UH, AVENUE FOR OUR CITIZENS, UM, FOR ALL OF OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR TOWN AND, AND THE ATTRACTIVENESS OF IT. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S PEOPLE NOW THAT WON'T TAKE THEIR TRASH TO THE TRASH CAN AND PUT IT AT THE END OF THE STREET. 
          SO I CAN'T IMAGINE IF THEY ACTUALLY HAD TO PUT IN A CAR. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE THAT WOULD INVOLVE MORE CONVENIENCE SITES AROUND TOWN, WHICH WOULD COST, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY CONVENIENCE, YOU KNOW, MONEY. 
          SO I JUST WAS HOPEFUL THAT YOU ALL COULD ONE, EXPLAIN TO THE CITIZENS WHERE, WHERE THAT EXTRA FEE IS AND THEN IF WE CAN TALK ABOUT HOW TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KNOW SOMETHING LIKE THAT'S COMING IN THE FUTURE WITHOUT IT BEING AT THE LAST MINUTE FOR US. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY WHAT THAT WAS ABOUT. 
          IS, IS HAVE I LEFT ANYTHING OUT  THAT? NO, MADAM MAYOR. 
          I, UM, I JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST TO ADD TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, I MEAN A, A BIG FACTOR OF THIS WAS THE FACT THAT WE HAD, UH, WE HAD BEEN RUNNING IN REALLY THE RED FOR WITH OUR, WITH OUR, UH, WASTE MANAGEMENT FOR NOT JUST REALLY, THIS HAS REALLY BEEN FOR YEARS. 
          AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAD JUST LEARNED, UH, THIS YEAR FOR THE, FOR THE NEED FOR US TO INCREASE OUR, OUR UH, OUR RATES JUST TO COVER, JUST TO GET US BACK IN BACK IN, BACK IN THE BLACK, I GUESS YOU CAN SAY OUR BACK IN INTO THE NORTH. 
          'CAUSE IT'S OBVIOUSLY, IT'S, THE IDEA OF IT IS FOR, FOR US, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR OUR, UM, GARBAGE, EXCUSE ME, FOR, FOR OUR GARBAGE BILLS. 
          YOU KNOW, IT COVERS THAT JUST AT ITS GARBAGE. 
          IT'S NOT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T GET USED FOR, FOR ANYTHING ELSE. 
          SO HAVING TO EXPLAIN, AND WE ACTUALLY DID IT IN A WAY THAT WAS KIND OF A GRADUATED COST, SO IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN SO MUCH OF A SHOCK, I SHOULD SAY, FOR THE, FOR THE INCREASE. 
          I MEAN, IT'S GONNA BE, UM, UH, INCREMENTAL. 
          NO, IT'S $8. 
          NO, I DON'T, I DON'T, WE TALKED ABOUT DOING, WE TALKED ABOUT INCREMENTALLY, BUT THEN WE WERE LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT'S RIGHT. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          THE, YEAH, SO WE PULLED THE MAN, SO YEAH, IT WASN'T EIGHT, EIGHT $8 INCREASE, WHICH, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S A SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE FOR WHAT FOLKS WERE PAYING ON 14, $15 NOW. 
          SO NOW IT'S GONNA BE 20 22, 20 $3 AND, AND WE KNOW WE'RE GETTING, WE'RE GETTING SOME, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GETTING FEEDBACK FROM THAT. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO EXPLAIN THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE, YOU KNOW, REALLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE YEARS AGO. 
          SO WE'RE JUST, WE'RE PLAYING CATCH UP. 
          AND AS, AS, UH, MAYOR JUST SAID, YOU KNOW, REALLY WASN'T, IT WAS JUST RIPPING THE BANDAID OFF, I GUESS THE BEST WAY TO DESCRIBE IT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, AND THEN WORD CAME OUT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE TIPPING FEES AND THE CONCERN WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, BEING THAT WE'RE ALSO COUNTY RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW, IS, IS THIS GONNA BE SHARED AMONGST ALL THE COUNTY? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THAT PART, THE INCREASE FOR, FOR OUR, FOR OUR PART THAT'S, THAT'S COMPLETELY ON THE TOWN. 
          UM, BUT AS, AS THE MAYOR SAID, YOU KNOW, THAT THE ONLY THE QUESTION IS, IS THAT, WELL, IS THIS GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT'S DIRECTLY JUST TOWARDS 
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THE TOWN? UH, BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE PORTRAYAL OF IT THAT WE'VE, THAT WE'VE, THAT'S WE'VE BEEN, THAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD. 
          SO, UM, AND I UNDERSTAND I'VE GONE AS FAR AS TRYING TO EXPLAIN LIKE WHY I CAN'T EXPLAIN A HUNDRED PERCENT THE REASONING OF IT. 
          I JUST KNOW THAT, I DO KNOW THAT THE COUNTY HAS SEEN AN INCREASE WITH, ITS, WITH ITS WASTE DISPOSAL JUST LIKE WE HAVE. 
          UM, AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S PROBABLY LIMITED AVENUES, UH, AS FAR AS, UM, INCREASING, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE BOTH OF COURSE COMMERCIAL, UH, COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS, IF YOU WILL, AND RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS. 
          I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FULL RATE, YOU KNOW, FULL DIFFERENTIAL WOULD BE FOR THE, UH, OUTSIDE OF TOWN OF COURSE. 
          SO THERE IS, YOU KNOW, THERE IS THAT FACTOR THAT WE OUT, WE HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, IN OUR REALM. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, AND THERE WAS A SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE EVEN FOR COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS AS WELL, WHICH WAS I THINK, EVEN MORE DRAMATIC. 
          SO AGAIN, IT, IT'S AS, AS THE MAYOR'S SAYING, IT'S JUST A QUESTION THAT WE'VE BEEN ASKED. 
          AND, AND BY NO MEANS HAVE WE, YOU KNOW, SAID, HEY, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST I HAVE AND ONLY ANYBODY ELSE ON COUNCIL ASK FOR THAT MATTER. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST LIKE, WELL WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO GET AN ANSWER TOO BECAUSE, UH, WE DO KNOW THAT COSTS HAVE INCREASE ACROSS THE BOARD. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S ALL WE'RE REALLY GETTING AT. 
          I MEAN, IT'S JUST, AND, AND I GET IT, IT'S A LEGITIMATE QUESTION. 
          UM, 'CAUSE IT, IT DOES APPEAR THAT THE TOWN IS KIND OF BEING DOUBLE DIPPED IN A WAY, I GUESS IF IT'S JUST BEING FOR THE TIPPING FEE JUST FOR THE TOWN. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S ALL IT'S BEING ASKED. 
          DO YOU WANNA TAKE THIS? SURE. 
          UH, THE BOARD HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT WHAT TO DO WITH THE, UM, TRANS, WITH THE FEES AT THE, UH, TIPPING FEE AND WHAT WE PAY TO THE LANDFILL WHERE WE DUMP THIS FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS. 
          UH, OUR RED LINE IS APPROXIMATELY $2 MILLION A YEAR. 
          SO WE'VE LOOKED AT HOW CAN WE START TO REDUCE THAT WITH OUR NEW CONTRACT. 
          THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE AND THAT'S NOT FINAL, SO I CAN'T SAY EXACTLY WHAT IT IS, BUT THAT'S APPROXIMATELY 25%. 
          IT'S APPROXIMATELY HALF A MILLION DOLLARS. 
          UM, RATHER THAN CONTINUING TO INCREASE THE TAXES TO SUPPORT THE TRANSFER STATION AND THEN TRANSFERRING, UH, HAULING DOWN TO PAGE COUNTY, THE BOARD AFTER DISCUSSING IT FOR FOUR YEARS DID DECIDE TO INCREASE THE FEES. 
          UH, THE FEE WENT FROM 69 TO $79. 
          IF I'M IN A SUBDIVISION OUTSIDE THE TOWN LIMITS, UH, EXAMPLE BEING BLUE RIDGE SHADOWS AND MY HOLLERER COMES THERE, THEY ARE PAYING IN THEIR FEE TO THE HAULER. 
          'CAUSE THE HAULER'S PAYING TO THE TRANSFER STATION TO THE PAGE COUNTY LANDFILL. 
          SO THEY ARE PAYING, WE'RE PAYING 69 NOW. 
          THEY'RE PAYING 79. 
          SO THE INITIAL PROPOSAL WAS TO CHARGE THE SAME FEE FOR MUNICIPAL IN SUBDIVISIONS IN TOWN AS OUT OF TOWN. 
          AND IT WAS INSTEAD DECIDED, UH, THE BOARD SAID WE SHOULD DO JUST HALF OF THAT. 
          SO THEY DO THE $40 RATHER THAN THE 79, WHICH IS THE FEE THAT WE CHARGE FOR HAULERS, SUB SUBDIVISIONS OUTSIDE THE TOWN. 
          AND THAT WILL, UM, PROBABLY NOT TO SPEAK FOR THE BOARD, BUT I ANTICIPATE THAT IS GONNA CONTINUE TO BE AN ISSUE IN THE BUDGET. 
          AND THEY ARE GONNA BE LOOKING AT THAT LANDFILL FEES. 
          RIGHT NOW, AS I SAY, THE RED LINE IS $2 MILLION. 
          SO THEY'VE GOT TO CUT INTO, WE'VE GOT TO CUT INTO THAT NUMBER THAT THAT NUMBER'S GOT TO COME DOWN, UH, OR ELSE WE HAVE TO RAISE TAXES AGAIN TO SUPPORT THAT. 
          SO THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE REASONS WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS. 
          AS I SAY, FOR FOUR YEARS, THEY TALKED ABOUT IT IN JANUARY AND THEN IN MARCH AND THEN IN JUNE AND THEN AGAIN IN JULY THIS YEAR. 
          AND THE, WHEN HE IS TALKING ABOUT LIKE BLUE RIDGE SHADOW, UM, YOU KNOW, YEARS AGO THE COUNTY CITIZENS, MOST OF US TOOK HER TRASH TO THE TRANSFER STATION 
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OR TO ONE OF THE CONVENIENCE SITES. 
          BUT THERE'S A, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PRIVATE GROUPS THERE ARE NOW, BUT THERE'S SEVERAL. 
          UM, THEY EVEN GO OUT TO BROWNTOWN, BENTONVILLE AREA, PICK UP, UH, ALL THOSE. 
          SO WHEN YOU SAY IT FEELS LIKE THE TOWN CITIZENS ARE BEING DOUBLE DIPPED THERE, WELL, SO ARE ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY THAT ELECT TO HAVE SOMEONE COME PICK IT UP AT THEIR DRIVEWAY TOO? THEY'RE PAYING THEIR TAXES TOWARDS THE TRANSFER STATION AND THEN THEY'RE PAYING FOR THAT PICKUP AS WELL AT THE SAME RATE AS, UM, EVERYONE ELSE IS THE 79. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO BE EQUITABLE ACROSS THE BOARD AND TRYING TO, TO GET THAT NUMBER TRASH IS, AS YOU KNOW, FROM TOWN, IT'S AN EXPENSIVE THING TO DEAL WITH. 
          AND I DON'T THINK MANY PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, EVEN THINK ABOUT IT. 
          THEY KNOW THEY, YOU THROW IT AWAY AND YOU JUST THINK, OKAY, THEY PICK IT UP AND IT'S, THAT'S THE END OF IT. 
          BUT IT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE WERE SHOCKED. 
          I MEAN, IF WE HAD, I MEAN THANKFULLY WE, I THINK WE, WE AND, AND I'M TAKING IT, THE COUNTY, LIKE I SAID, YOU GUYS WERE TRYING TO RIP A BANDAID OFF AS WELL IN A WAY, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE TRYING TO DO. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT I SAID. 
          I I, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          'CAUSE WE WERE SHOCKED AS WELL. 
          WE WERE LIKE, WHOA, YOU KNOW, BUT THIS HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN HAVING TO DEAL WITH FOR YEARS. 
          AND I TAKE IT THAT, AND, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT TOO. 
          I'M SURE THE COUNTY'S BEEN JUMPING UNFORTUNATELY, AS FAR AND AS FAR AS THE COMMUNICATION, I, I WILL AGREE. 
          I THINK ON EVERY LEVEL WE CAN DO BETTER WITH COMMUNICATION, NOT JUST OVER TRASH, OVER EVERYTHING, NOT JUST WITH TOWN COUNTY, BUT YOU KNOW, WE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A SKILL THAT WE CAN ALWAYS IMPROVE ON. 
          WHEN YOU SAY, AND HONESTLY WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT, HOW MANY BUDGET MEETINGS DO WE HAVE? 20 COUPLE. 
          AND IT WAS, IT WAS BROUGHT UP SO MANY TIMES, AND I HATE TO BE SAY THE WORD ASSUME BECAUSE YOU SHOULDN'T ASSUME ANYTHING, BUT I JUST THOUGHT IT HAD BEEN DISCUSSED SO MUCH THAT IT WAS ON YOUR RADAR AND, YOU KNOW, SO IT WAS NOT MEANT TO BLINDSIDE YOU AT ALL. 
          I WAS ACTUALLY, I TOLD MR. WALTZ WHEN HE BROUGHT IT, UM, UP TO DR. 
          DALEY AND I AFTER A MEETING, I SAID, YOU KNOW, I WAS REALLY SURPRISED THAT NOBODY HAD SAID ANYTHING ABOUT IT. 
          SO I THOUGHT, WELL, YOU UNDERSTOOD. 
          AND IT WAS JUST ONE OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THOSE THINGS YOU, UM, IT'S LIKE, UH, THE OLD, UM, UH, SONG OF THE DOSE OF MEDICINE WITH SOME SUGAR WITH IT, AND YOU JUST KNOW YOU GOTTA TAKE IT AND GO ON. 
          I KNOW YOU GUYS HAD TALKED, I, I KNOW THERE WAS SOME TALK ABOUT IT, BUT WHEN THEY WOULD TALK AND THEN THEY WOULD STOP TALKING ABOUT IT, I JUST, YEAH, I THINK WE PROBABLY ASSUMED, OKAY, WELL THEY'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. 
          BUT I, I DID WANNA, WHEN YOU SAID ABOUT SOME PEOPLE ELECTING TO HAVE THEIR TRASH TAKEN, SO, AND I, AND I DO, I KNOW PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY THAT DO THAT AND I KNOW PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY THAT SAY, NEVERMIND, I'M GONNA TAKE THINGS. 
          THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT CITIZENS IN FRONT ROYAL CAN'T ELECT TO RIGHT NOW. 
          THEY CAN'T ELECT TO NOT HAVE THEIR TRASH. 
          THEY CAN ELECT TO NOT USE IT, BUT THEY CAN'T ELECT TO NOT PAY FOR IT. 
          WELL, AND I, IF THEY'RE GETTING WHAT RIGHT, MR. DALEY, UM, THERE, UNLESS IT'S A PRIVATE DRIVE AND THAT ACTUALLY JUST CHANGED UNTIL TWO WEEKS AGO. 
          IF YOU LIVED ON A PRIVATE STREET IN FRONT ROW, YOU STILL GOT CHARGED WHETHER IT WAS, YOU KNOW, YOU HAD TO DRIVE IT DOWN A, YOU KNOW, TWO BLOCKS TO DO IT. 
          UM, SO, BUT THEY CAN'T ELECT TO NOT USE IT. 
          UM, AND LIKE I SAID, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I I PERSONALLY, IT WOULD BE WORTH, IT'S WORTH IT TO ME TO CONTINUE TO DO THIS. 
          I DON'T WANNA HAVE TO PUT MY TRASH IN THE BACK OF MY VEHICLE AND TAKE IT TO A TRANSFER OR TAKE IT TO A CONVENIENCE SITE. 
          I WAS JUST SAYING THOUGH, YOU KNOW, THAT IF IT GETS TO THE POINT WHERE IT IN THE FUTURE, IF IT IS SO EXPENSIVE, I MEAN I, I I HOPE THE TOWN NEVER OPTS TO SAY, WELL WE WON'T PROVIDE THAT SERVICE AND THEN THERE'LL BE CONVENIENT SITES FOR YOU TO TAKE YOUR TRASH TO. 
          'CAUSE LIKE I SAID, I PERSONALLY THINK THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, UM, UNSIGHTLY NEIGHBORHOODS, UNSIGHTLY STREETS, AND THAT'S NOT THE LOOK WE WANT FOR OUR TOWN. 
          UM, SO, BUT NO, IT MAKES SENSE. 
          I DID WATCH THE, I DID WATCH THE MEETING WHERE YOU GUYS DISCUSSED IT AND LOOKED AT THE, YOU KNOW, I WATCHED THE MEETING PRINTED OFF THE CHARTS, THINGS LIKE THAT WHERE WITH THE MONEY THAT WAS INVOLVED. 
          AND LIKE I SAID, I, I FEEL LIKE CITIZENS FELT SURPRISED BY IT. 
          NOW, JUST LIKE YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT YOU FEEL LIKE Y'ALL HAVE DISCUSSED IT, WE'VE LITERALLY DISCUSSED IT SINCE FEBU JANUARY, JANUARY WE STARTED THE COST OF SERVICE STUDY. 
          UM, AND WE, YOU ASSUME THAT PEOPLE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          UM, BUT 
          [00:55:01]
IT DIDN'T, AND OCTOBER OR JUST END OF SEPTEMBER WAS THEIR FIRST BILL FOR THAT. 
          AND MAYBE THAT'S WHY RIGHT NOW WE'RE, YOU KNOW, FIELDING THREE, FIVE CALLS A DAY, AT LEAST MR. WALTZ TO THE TOWN HALL. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE WE ARE, UM, I ACTUALLY HAVE A NOTE RIGHT HERE. 
          SOMEBODY I NEED TO CALL, YOU KNOW, AND I GET THAT THEY'RE UPSET. 
          I, AND AS I'VE SAID TO MULTIPLE PEOPLE, INCLUDING ON SOCIAL MEDIA, I CAN ASSURE YOU NO ONE ON TOWN COUNCIL OR MYSELF WANTED TO HAVE TO INCREASE, UH, THOSE FEES. 
          I MEAN, WE, WE PAY THEM TOO. 
          UM, MR. DALEY PAYS THEM TOO, RIGHT HERE AT TOWN. 
          SO, NO. 
          AND UH, I, I WILL SAY I WAS AT AN EVENT AND ONE OF MY SOUTH RIVER, UM, IN TOWN RESIDENTS CAME UP TO ME AND THEY SAID, I WANNA KNOW HOW I CAN GET OFF THAT DARN LIST OF HAVING MY TRASH PICKED UP. 
          AND I KNEW WHERE SHE LIVED AND I SAID, AND WAYNE LOC HAPPENED TO BE AT THE SAME EVENT. 
          AND I SAID, YOU'RE TALKING TO THE WRONG PERSON. 
          SHE GOES, YOU'RE MY SUPERVISOR. 
          I SAID, I KNOW, BUT YOU'RE IN TOWN SO YOU NEED TO TALK TO MR. LOC OVER HERE. 
          'CAUSE I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH TOWN COLLECTION. 
          AND, UM, AND SHE, YOU KNOW, BUT, AND I HATE IT. 
          WE, WE ALL HATE IT. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S, WE HATE WHAT WE HAVE TO PAY, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF CONTROL OVER THE AMOUNT OF TRASH AND, UM, THE, THE COST OF GAS TO TRUCK IT AND PEOPLE'S SALARIES GOING UP, LIKE YOU SAID, INFLATION. 
          YEAH, IT'S, IT'S HITTING US ALL. 
          AND UM, WE'RE IN THE SAME BOAT. 
          BUT, UM, IT'S ACTUALLY, I, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S $8 A MONTH, IS THAT WHAT IT IS? OR, OH NO, IT'S 22, IT'S ABOUT $22 IN ANNOUNCE TWO. 
          BUT IT WENT FROM 14. 
          MR. WALTZ PROBABLY GOT IT MEMORIZED. 
          $14 AND 10. 
          IT'S, IT'S ALMOST $8 INCREASE. 
          IT'S UM, A 56%, UH, RATE INCREASE, 30% FROM WHAT WE DETERMINED WE WERE LOSING AND NOT COVERING OUR COSTS. 
          AND THEN 26% OF THAT WAS BASED ON THE TIPPING FEES. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THAT IF YOU HAVE TO BUY THE GAS TO DO IT, AND I MEAN, I, YOU KNOW, THE AMOUNT OF TRASH YOU HAVE TO HOW MANY TIMES YOU WOULD HAVE TO DRIVE TO BENTONVILLE OR YEAH, IT WOULD EAT IT UP IN THAT. 
          SO HAVING THAT, AND LIKE YOU SAID, THEN YOU GOT IT IN YOUR CAR AND IF IT MESSES UP YOUR CAR, YOU GOTTA GET IT DETAILED. 
          SO THERE'S, IF MOVING FORWARD, THIS IS ALL I WOULD REQUEST. 
          'CAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU  SOUND LIKE FROM THE WAY YOU WERE TALKING, THAT THAT MAY NOT BE THE END OF THIS, UH, SO BY ANY MEANS, RIGHT. 
          YOU KNOW, QUITE FRANKLY, I THINK TOWN AND THE COUNTY BOAT, THIS BOAT 40 OR 50 YEARS AGO, AND IT DIDN'T BUY INTO A LANDFILL SO THAT THEY OWNED A LANDFILL RATHER THAN HAVING TO FIND SOMEPLACE ELSE. 
          TAKE IT WHERE WHOEVER HAS THE LANDFILLS, THE CARDS. 
          WELL, 40 OR 50 YEARS AGO I WAS NOT MAKING ANY DECISIONS THEN . 
          SO THANK GOODNESS, UH, I WAS LESS THAN 18. 
          BUT I WAS JUST GONNA SAY IF THIS IS, IF, IF THERE IS AN ANTICIPATION THAT IT'S GONNA CHANGE FOR NEXT, UH, BUDGET YEAR, I JUST, IF WE COULD GET A HEADS UP EARLIER, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU ALL ARE DOING YOUR DISCUSSION, YOUR BUDGET, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE OTHER THING IS PEOPLE HAVE CONFUSED THIS. 
          LIKE PEOPLE HAVE SAID, I SAY PEOPLE, SOME PEOPLE ON SOCIAL MEDIA ARE TALKING ABOUT HOW THIS LIKE TAXES, CALLING THIS TAXES, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UM, SOLID WASTE, THE THE GARBAGE COLLECTION FEE IN THE TOWN IS, IT'S NOT A TAX, IT'S A FEE. 
          IT'S A USER FEE. 
          IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR GENERAL FUND BUDGET. 
          RIGHT. 
          MR. WALTZ. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF GOTTEN CONFUSING. 
          SO ANYWAY, JUST SAYING LIKE, IF, IF WHEN, YEAH, I HOPE NOT, BUT JUST HEADS, UH, MAYBE A BIGGER HEADS UP, YOU KNOW, HIT IT, HIT ME OVER THE HEAD WITH IT. 
          SO ANYWAY, I'D LIKE TO MAKE JUST, JUST TWO COMMENTS. 
          FIRST OF ALL, I COMPLETELY AGREE ABOUT THE COMMUNICATION PART. 
          I THINK THE, THE MORE ADVANCED COMMUNICATION ON ANYTHING THERE IS I, I'M, I'M COMMITTED TO, TO TRYING TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. 
          UM, JUST AND JUST ONE THING TO SLIGHTLY SOFTEN THE BLOW, UM, I THINK WHAT, WHAT DALEY MR. UH, DR. 
          DALEY MENTIONED IS THAT, UH, THE, THE TIPPING FEE WAS HALVED. 
          SO THERE ARE ARE MANY RURAL SERVICES THAT PICK UP IN THE COUNTY AND THEY GO THERE AND THEY PAY WHAT'S, WHAT ARE THEY PAYING? 79. 
          79. 
          UM, SO IT, IT, IT'S, IT IS COMPLETELY, I GET THE PICTURE THAT, THAT, THAT IS A CITIZEN IN THE TOWN IS SEEING, BUT NOTING THAT THE, THE, THE TOWN TIPPING FEE IS HALF OF WHAT A OUT OF TOWN TIPPING FEE IS FOR THAT PERSON WHO, WHO, AND IN A SENSE, THAT OFFERS A, CREATES PARODY BECAUSE, UM, I DON'T KNOW THE PERCENTAGES EITHER. 
          THAT MIGHT BE AN INTERESTING THING. 
          BUT, 
          [01:00:01]
BUT, UH, ALL THE, THE, THE PEOPLE NOT IN TOWN THAT DESIRE TO HAVE A, A SERVICE, THEIR SERVICE ACTUALLY IS PAYING DOUBLE THE TIPPING FEE THAT THE COUNTY, UH, TIPPING FEE IS PAYING. 
          SO JUST SOFTENS IT A LITTLE BIT. 
          I THINK IT'S GOOD TO NOTE IT. 
          BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I UNDER, I DO UNDERSTAND THE CONSTERNATION AND I MEAN REALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT THE TOWN, BUT EACH OF YOU, ALL THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS REPRESENT TOWN CITIZENS TOO. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I'M SURE YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU HEAR THAT TOO. 
          THE NEXT 
          [4. Vape Shops – Town]
ITEM IS THE VAPE SHOPS, WHICH IS A TOWN THING. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, I MEAN, UH, NOT A TOWN THING, OBVIOUSLY IT'S A, ALTHOUGH JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, HOW MANY VAPE SHOPS DO YOU ALL HAVE IN THE COUNTY? I MEAN, EVERYONE THAT'S IN THE TOWN IS ALSO IN THE COUNTY, BUT IN COUNTY ONLY. 
          DOES ANYBODY KNOW? I THINK FOUR OR FOUR. 
          THREE OR FOUR THAT ARE JUST IN THE COUNTY. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I JUST WANNA SAY I DID NOT VOTE FOR ANY OF THEM. 
          , MS. CAPRI, DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY, I'M AFRAID TO ASK THIS AND PUT IT ON RECORD, BUT DO WE KNOW HOW MANY ARE IN THE TOWN? OKAY, SO THAT'S 70. 
          I THINK THERE'S SEVEN OR EIGHT ON ROLL OUT SOUTH, THREE OR FOUR FOR YOU ALL. 
          THAT'S PLENTY. 
          WITHIN THE COUNTY. 
          YOU'RE TALKING TOBACCO AND VAPE SHOPS AND ALL . 
          GOTCHA. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          WHAT YOU'RE TALKING, RIGHT. 
          WELL I THINK ALL THE TOBACCO SHOPS SELL VAPES AS WELL, SO YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M NOT COUNTING THE REGULAR RIGHT. 
          QUICK SHOP THAT SELLS TOBACCO AND RIGHT. 
          YOUR SEVEN ELEVENS AND SHOPS. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO WE JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU GUYS AN UPDATE ON, UM, WHAT WE'VE LEARNED AND, AND, AND WHAT IT APPEARS AS THOUGH COUNSEL, UM, HAS GIVEN SOME DIRECTION ON. 
          SO WE ARE LOOKING AT AN ORDINANCE THAT IS, UM, POSSIBLY GOING TO, UH, PROVIDE SOME BOUNDARIES, PARAMETERS, I'M NOT REALLY SURE, I DON'T WANNA SAY RESTRICTIONS, BUT REALLY, I GUESS THAT'S WHAT YOU COULD CALL IT. 
          UM, THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT THINGS LIKE A THOUSAND WITHIN A, THAT THEY, THEY COULDN'T, UM, EXIST AND A THOUSAND FEET OF A SCHOOL, A THOUSAND FEET OF A CHURCH, A THOUSAND FEET OF A DAYCARE, A THOUSAND FEET OF A SCHOOL. 
          UM, I THINK I SAID THAT ALREADY. 
          BUT, UM, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE DISCUSSED, UM, AT A COUPLE OF WORK SESSIONS AGO. 
          AND THEN THIS PAST WORK SESSION, UM, WE ALSO DISCUSSED THE POSSIBILITY OF MAKING THEM BE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, WHICH WOULD MEAN THAT IT WOULD HAVE TO COME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          LIKE IT WOULD HAVE A WORK SESSION THAT IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, HAVE TO GO BEFORE A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          THEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, APPROVE OR DENIAL. 
          WE'D GO TO COUNCIL. 
          AND THEN SAME THING, WE'D HAVE A WORK SESSION AND WE WOULD HAVE A, A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          UM, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE, THE, UH, THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'RE GETTING IS THEY'RE JUST POPPING UP AND PEOPLE FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, THERE THERE'S MISCOMMUNICATION THAT PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT COUNCIL ACTUALLY APPROVES EACH OF THOSE. 
          WHICH JUST LIKE, WELL, I DON'T KNOW. 
          DO YOU ALL, DO YOU ALL HAVE TO APPROVE YOURS? DEPENDS UPON WHERE THEY ARE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OH, WHAT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE PLACES WHERE THEY ARE PERMITTED IF THEY'RE IN THE RIGHT ZONE, THEN THEY HAVE TO GET, JUST HAVE TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT. 
          BUT THERE ARE OTHERS IF THEY WANT TO PUT IT WHERE IT IS NOT ALREADY ZONED. 
          OKAY. 
          HAVE TO BE. 
          BUT, UH, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE LOOKING AT SOME ZONING PROVISIONS TO GO INTO PLACE FOR THAT. 
          YOU CAN LOOK AT THE SAME WHEN YOU DO THEM. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY. 
          WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T APPROVE ANYTHING FOR A VAPE SHOP TO POP UP AT THIS CURRENT THEY'RE BY RIGHT, RIGHT NOW. 
          BUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING, AND WE'RE PREPARED STAFF IS PREPARING. 
          DO YOU NEED HER TO COME UP? CAN I ASK MR. JONES? CAN YOU HEAR, DO YOU MIND COMING UP? SORRY, LAUREN, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC CAN HEAR YOU AS HE COULD YOU HEAR HER? SHE'S GOT A MICROPHONE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, SO WHAT STAFF IS WORKING ON IS PREPARING A DRAFT ORDINANCE. 
          AND THIS WILL BE GOING TO, IT WAS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION CONSENT AGENDA LAST NIGHT. 
          SO IT'LL BE GOING TO THE WORK SESSION NOVEMBER 2ND. 
          WHAT WE'RE DOING IS CREATING PERFORMANCE STANDARDS AND THAT WILL, UM, MITIGATE THE SECONDARY EFFECTS. 
          SO THAT IS THE DISTANCES TO SCHOOLS, DAYCARES, CHURCHES AS PREVIOUSLY STATED, BUT ALSO LOOKING AT LIMITING, UM, THE 
          [01:05:01]
SQUARE FOOTAGE OF RETAIL SALES FOR THESE PRODUCTS. 
          SO THAT WOULD MEAN THAT IT'S GOTTA HAVE A SEPARATE DEFINITION. 
          AND THEN IF THERE'S LIKE A GAS STATION AND THERE ARE A CONVENIENCE STORE, IF THEY HAVE 15 OR 20% OF THEIR GROSS FLOOR AREA DEDICATED TO THE SALE OF THESE PRODUCTS, THEY WOULD POTENTIALLY NEED TO COMPLY WITH SOME ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS. 
          AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT LIMITING THEM TO THE C ONE AND C3 DISTRICT IS WHAT WE'RE KIND OF MULLING OVER RIGHT NOW. 
          CAN YOU ALSO ADD THE OUTSIDE OR INSIDE? THEY'RE ALSO TACKY. 
          ALL THOSE LIGHTS BLINK AND THEY'RE JUST, SO THE LIGHTS ARE ALREADY NOT PERMITTED. 
          SO WE WORK THROUGH THAT THROUGH CODE ENFORCEMENT, BUT THEY ARE PERMITTED A CERTAIN NUMBER OF SIGNS. 
          AND I THINK THE BEST THING THAT WE CAN DO FOR THE AESTHETICS IS REALLY LOOK AT THE SIGNED ORDINANCE. 
          AND WE HAVE A REVISED SIGNED ORDINANCE DRAFT IN THE NEW ZONING ORDINANCE. 
          SO THESE, THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT ARE JUST GONNA TAKE TIME. 
          UM, BUT THAT SIGN, THE NEW SIGNED ORDINANCE, I THINK WOULD BE VERY EFFECTIVE IN LIMITING SOME OF THESE OR ELIMINATING SOME OF THESE ISSUES. 
          SO WE JUST WANTED TO LET YOU ALL KNOW WHAT, WHAT, UM, AND I WILL SAY THAT THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED MULTIPLE TIMES SINCE THINGS STARTED POPPING UP IN 2020. 
          AND I'M REALLY, UM, I'M JUST VERY GRATEFUL THAT THE COUNCIL THAT'S SERVING RIGHT NOW, SA THE THE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, TRY TO ADDRESS THIS. 
          AGAIN, WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY TRYING TO CONTROL SMALL BUSINESSES, BUT JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST, UM, I, I'VE ALREADY BEEN QUOTED IN THE PAPER, SO I'LL PROBABLY, I'LL JUST USE THE SAME WORD AGAIN. 
          I THINK WE'RE OVERSATURATED WITH THEM. 
          UM, BUT I WILL SAY IT'S NOT A FRONT ROYAL WARRING COUNTY PROBLEM. 
          IT IS, IT'S ACROSS VIRGINIA. 
          I KNOW AT THE MAYOR'S INSTITUTE LAST YEAR, THEY WERE, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE LOTS OF PLACES THAT WERE EXPERIENCING THIS. 
          UM, I THINK IT'S A VIRGINIA THING RIGHT NOW, AND WE'LL HAVE TO SEE HOW THAT MOVES FORWARD IN THE LEGISLATURE. 
          UM, UM, BUT I DID WANT THE COUNTY TO KNOW THAT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, OF COURSE IT'S GOT A LOT, A LONG WAY TO GO. 
          IT'S STILL GOTTA GET THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION AND COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND PUBLIC HEARINGS AND GET PEOPLE'S INPUT. 
          AND, UM, SO ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? THAT WE, ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING? OR, AND YOU'RE SAYING YEP. 
          WE'LL, WE'LL, YEAH. 
          TOWN STAFF ACTUALLY REACHED OUT. 
          WE'VE, WE'VE GOT, UM, WE'VE ACTUALLY GOT THE ORDINANCE FROM THE TOWN OF QUAWAN, QUANTICO. 
          QUANTICO. 
          QUANTICO. 
          SO THERE'S QUANTICO, SMITHFIELD SMITHFIELD WAS ACTUALLY BROUGHT TO US, AND SMITHFIELD WAS BROUGHT TO US TOO, FROM A PUB FROM A, A CITIZEN THAT CAME TO THE MEETING AND ASKED US TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. 
          SO YEAH. 
          SO THERE ARE, THERE ARE, THERE ARE ALREADY, THERE ARE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES OUT THERE THAT HAVE ORDINANCES NOW. 
          THESE HAVE BEEN REACTED, THESE HAVE BEEN ENACTED WITHIN THE PAST FEW YEARS. 
          I THINK THERE ARE RELATIVELY NEW QUANTICO ALL OVER THE STATE. 
          21, 22. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SMITHFIELD WERE, WAS, WAS SITTING AROUND THE SAME TIME PERIOD TOO, JUST WITHIN THE PAST FEW YEARS. 
          SO THEY'RE SO, THEY'RE GOOD. 
          THEY'RE GOOD. 
          THEY, THERE IS SOME HESITATION IN SOME OF THESE WITH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT. 
          'CAUSE A LOT OF THAT HASN'T BEEN TESTED LEGALLY YET TOO. 
          SO YEAH, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION WITH, I KNOW WITH GEORGE, HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT AS WELL, ABOUT LOOKING AT IT. 
          BUT THE, THE IDEA IS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE PUSHING FORWARD WITH SOMETHING AND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND IT'S, WE GAVE LAUREN THE GREEN LIGHT AND JOE AND EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING AND HOPEFULLY HAVE SOMETHING. 
          MAYBE IT'S GONNA TAKE SOME TIME, YOU KNOW, MAYBE FIRST YEAR GIVE OR TAKE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          I'M HOPING AROUND JANUARY TO HAVE A BACK TO COUNCIL. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE'LL HAVE SOMETHING AND WE WILL SHARE IT WITH YOU GUYS AND HAVE A, YOU KNOW, BUT WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE ADDRESSING CITIZENS' CONCERNS AND THAT'S ALWAYS WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING YEAH. 
          AS ELECTED OFFICIALS. 
          SO. 
          THAT SOUNDS GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I THINK THE OTHER THING IS, 
          [5. Transportation Subcommittee Update – Town]
IS YOU'RE ON THE TRANSPORTATION SUBCOMMITTEE. 
          YOU'RE ON THE TRANSPORTATION SUBCOMMITTEE. 
          AND, AND JOSH CAN TAKE, UM, TAKE THAT. 
          AND IF I HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD, I WILL. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. 
          UM, NOTHING REALLY ON THE NEWS FRONT FROM, FROM THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE, UH, PER SE THAT HASN'T BEEN DISCUSSED IN PREVIOUS, UH, PREVIOUS REGULAR MEETINGS OF OUR, OF OUR RESPECTIVE, UH, BOARDS. 
          UH, MOST OF THE, MOST OF THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE HAD HAS BEEN REVOLVED AROUND SOME OF THE STARS UPDATES WE'VE RECEIVED FROM VDOT. 
          OF COURSE, BOTH MATT AND LAUREN HAVE, HAVE, UH, SHARED THE INTEL WITH THOSE ON US, INCLUDING JOE. 
          UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY UPDATE WITH YOU AT THE, UH, THE COUNTY IN PARTICULAR IN NORTH QUARTER. 
          YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S BEEN, UH, THOSE, UH, THOSE PORTIONS ALONG THE CORRIDOR STILL UNDER REVIEW. 
          UH, WE ACTUALLY HAVE OF COURSE, UM, APPLICATIONS FOR THAT. 
          UH, BUT ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE KEY DISCUSSION POINTS WE DID HAVE AT OUR LAST MEETING WAS THAT, UH, WE'RE LEANING TOWARDS, UH, DOING JUST 
          [01:10:01]
A QUARTERLY MEETING SUCH, SUCH AS LIKE THE LIAISON MEETING THAT WE'RE HAVING NOW, UH, JUST FOR THE FACT THAT, UM, WE HAVEN'T, WE REALLY JUST HAVEN'T HAD MUCH, MUCH, UH, MATERIAL TO DISCUSS RECENTLY. 
          SO, UH, CHAIRMAN CALLERS, UH, SHERMAN CALLERS ACTUALLY DOES. 
          SO SHE IS GOOD ABOUT GETTING, UH, STAKEHOLDERS INVOLVED. 
          WE'VE, WE'VE HAD, UH, UH, WE'VE HAD THE TEAM FROM BDOT THERE. 
          WE'VE HAD THE RAILROAD, UH, REPRESENTATIVE THERE. 
          UH, SO THERE IS, THERE HAS BEEN GOOD, UH, GOOD TURN ON MEETINGS FOR THE MOST PART. 
          SO IT'S JUST A, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF GETTING, UH, YOU KNOW, GETTING POINTS OF DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW. 
          I, I'VE, IF FROM WHAT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK OUT OF TERM, BUT I THINK BOTH THE TOWN AND COUNTY ARE IN THE SAME BOAT AS LIKE HOLDING PATTERNS WITH, WITH VDOT FUNDING. 
          SO, UM, BUT YEAH, BUT I MEAN, THAT WAS, THAT WAS A ONE MAIN POINT THAT WE DISCUSSED IN OUR LAST LAST MEETING WAS JUST TO DO A QUARTERLY MEETING INSTEAD. 
          SO YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE IN A HOLDING PATTERN WITH VDOT AND ON ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING EVEN THE, UM, EMERGENCY, UM, OFF OF 66TH FLOOR CHAND SHORES ROAD. 
          SO UNTIL THEY GET BACK WITH US THAT THINGS ARE MOVING, IT JUST, YEAH. 
          I, I WILL SAY THOUGH, THAT, BUT THAT WAS GONNA BE A LONG SHOT. 
          THE FACT THAT THEY EVEN LOOKED AT IT. 
          I MEAN, SO THE C COMMITTEE HAS BEEN EFFECTIVE. 
          I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN TOLD, UH, BY VDOT AND BY EVEN THE RAILROAD REP REPRESENTATIVES THAT THIS IS SOMETHING HE WISH A LOT OF OTHER COUNTY TOWN, A LOT OF TOWN COUNTIES WOULD DO TOGETHER. 
          SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN VARIOUS MEMBERS, I THINK, UH, JOHN STAN MEYER, THE OTHER MEMBER, AND THEN ALSO, UH, UH, COUNCILMAN MORRIS FROM FROM TOWN'S PART OF THAT. 
          BUT AGAIN, IT IS, IT'S BEEN A, BUT I THINK THERE'S BEEN SOME GOOD MOVEMENT WITH, WITH THAT, WITH THAT COMMITTEE. 
          SO, YEAH. 
          UH, THE 
          [6. Regional Shooting Range Facility – County]
NEXT ITEM IS THE REGIONAL SHOOTING RANGE. 
          AND I, THERE'S NOT REALLY MUCH TO SAY ON THAT ONE AT THIS POINT. 
          UM, IT STILL HAS A, IT GOES TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION THE 13TH OF NOVEMBER, AND THAT WOULD BE AFTER THE JOINT WORK SESSION WITH THE BOARD. 
          YEAH. 
          12TH. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE STILL PUSHING THAT DOWN. 
          AND, AND WHEN SOMETHING COMES OUT OF THIS, I THINK THAT'S WHEN WE WOULD HAVE TIME TO HAVE A, A CONVERSATION, BECAUSE AT THIS POINT, EVERYTHING'S JUST UP IN THE AIR. 
          I HAVEN'T SEEN THIS BEFORE. 
          UH, THIS, THIS, UH, SUGGESTED JOINT SHOOTING RANGE IS THAT, IS THAT, UH, MR. WALLACE HAD ASKED US AFTER, GO AHEAD. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          I THINK JOE WAS, GO AHEAD. 
          DID YOU WANNA YEAH, I'VE ACTUALLY HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH SHERIFF KLEIN. 
          WE, WE HAVE THE SAME VISION, HOPEFULLY AN INDOOR TRAINING FACILITY. 
          UM, I THINK THAT IF WE CAN PARTNER TOGETHER WITH MAYBE SOME OTHER POTENTIAL REGIONAL PARTNERS, WE COULD REALLY MAKE THIS THING HAPPEN. 
          THE THING WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE IS THAT THIS WILL TAKE SOME TIME. 
          I REALLY DO BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A VISION WE CAN MAKE HAPPEN, BUT IT'S PROBABLY FIVE TO 10 YEARS AWAY. 
          AND FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, UH, SHERIFF KLEIN IS TRYING TO ADDRESS AN IMMEDIATE ISSUE RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, I, I THINK THAT THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME SYNERGY TO DO SOMETHING COLLABORATIVELY AND MAYBE WITH SOME OTHER REGIONAL PARTNERS TO HELP THE COST. 
          YEAH, I KNOW I'VE, I'VE REACHED OUT TO, UM,  RAPPAHANNOCK IS ONE, AND THEY'RE DEFINITELY INTERESTED IN A DISCUSSION OF IT. 
          DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, BEYOND THAT, I SAID I THINK WE MISSED THE BOAT WHEN WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT THE STATE WAS GONNA SELL CAMP SEVEN. 
          IF WE HAD, IF WE HAD KNOWN THAT AND HAD BEEN ABLE TO DO A REGIONAL, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN THE PERFECT PLACE FOR IT. 
          I AGREE. 
          BUT THAT'S WATER UNDER THE BRIDGE AT THIS POINT. 
          JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, SINCE YOU JUST SAID HANOCK, UM, IS, IS THERE ANY LAND AVAILABLE NEAR RSW FOR A INDOOR TRAINING FACILITY, OR IS THAT PRETTY PACKED? I, I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE LAND OUT THERE. 
          I WAS JUST SAYING WHEN YOU SAID RAPPAHANNOCK, I WAS THINKING A REGIONAL, LIKE MAYBE RAPPAHANNOCK SHOULD KNOW WARREN WOULD WANNA DO A INDOOR FACILITY, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER I DON'T DEAD IN THE FUTURE, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ENOUGH THERE. 
          BUT COUNTY DOES OWN ONE PARCEL OFF OF COUNTRY CLUB ROAD. 
          UM, THERE'S NOT MUCH I CAN SAY ABOUT THAT OTHER THAN IT WOULD HAVE TO BE PROBABLY AN INDOOR RANGE THERE. 
          UM, THERE ARE, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THOSE INDOOR, YEAH. 
          UM, AGAIN, THERE, THERE ARE OTHER THINGS, MITIGATING CIRCUMSTANCES RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT COULD BE SOMETHING FOR DISCUSSION. 
          THERE ARE SOME PRIVATE PROPERTIES, UH, FIVE ACRE LOT THERE NORTH OF, UH, OF, UH, THE INLAND PORT, NICE SQUARE LITTLE LOT, SIX ACRES, I BELIEVE. 
          FIVE OR SIX ACRES. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WHETHER, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, DO THIS JOINTLY WITH OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE GUY'S 
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ASKING FOR, FOR IT, FOR THAT PROPERTY, BUT, UM, IT'S RIGHT IN, IN INDUSTRIAL, UH, AREA. 
          SO POTENTIALLY THAT COULD BE SOMETHING LOOKED AT. 
          THERE'S ANOTHER PROPERTY JUST SOUTH OF, UH, THE, UH, FAIRGROUNDS. 
          SO, UH, POTENTIALLY THERE COULD BE THAT AND, UM, LITTLE PRELIMINARY, BUT WE ARE PROPOSING A LOT NORTH OF FAMILY DOLLAR, 150 ACRE LOT TO BE, UH, FUTURE LAND USE FOR INDUSTRIAL. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, AS WE MOVE FORWARD, THAT COULD BE POTENTIAL. 
          UH, CERTAINLY THE LAND IS THERE FOR, UH, AN INDOOR RANGE, SO. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, MOVING ON, THE 
          [7. Town/County/School Communications – Town/County]
NEXT ONE IS TOWN COUNTY. 
          TOWN COUNTY SCHOOL COMMUNICATIONS. 
          SO IT SAYS TOWN COUNTY, BUT I KNOW I ASKED FOR IT, BUT Y'ALL MIGHT HAVE ASKED FOR IT TOO. 
          SO, UM, I, I THINK THE IDEA WAS IS THAT RIGHT NOW, WHEN DEVELOPMENTS THE DEVELOP, THE HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS TEND TO RIGHT NOW BE IN, IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE IN TOWN. 
          AND WHEN DEVELOPERS DISCUSS PROFFERS AND SUCH, BECAUSE THE TOWN DOESN'T HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE SCHOOLS, UM, I THINK THE LAST GUY REFERRED TO IT AS SOMETHING ABOUT LIKE BEING IN THE BLACK OR WHATEVER LIKE THAT. 
          HE WHAT? NO, HE CALLED IT A NET POSITIVE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          I CAN'T REMEMBER. 
          BUT BECAUSE, UM, BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY DON'T, THAT WE DON'T HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE SCHOOL, SO IT APPEARS AS THOUGH THEY DON'T HAVE TO OFFER AS MUCH. 
          EVEN THEIR PROFFERS ARE VOLUNTEERING ANYWAY. 
          BUT SO WHAT I WAS SUGGESTING IS, IS THAT MAYBE THERE IS, YOU KNOW, SOME TYPE OF COMMITTEE AD HOC OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT WE COULD FORM WHERE THERE WAS REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE TOWN, THE COUNTY, THE SCHOOL BOARD, SO THAT WHEN PEOPLE ARE COMING AND LOOKING AT THE AREA, THAT THERE'S A, A GREATER DISCUSSION. 
          THERE'S NOT SUCH, UM, I'M LOOKING FOR THE WRONG WORD, BUT LIKE INDEPENDENCE, LIKE THE TOWN'S LOOKING AT IT. 
          BUT REALLY OUR DECISIONS IMPACT YOUR DECISIONS, IMPACT THE SCHOOL SYSTEMS DECISIONS. 
          I THINK WE ALL RECOGNIZE THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THAT'S, I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT, BUT THEN SOMEBODY MENTIONED THAT MAYBE THE BEST PLACE FOR THAT WOULD BE AT THAT DEVELOPMENT MEETING. 
          'CAUSE THERE'S A MONTHLY, THERE'S A MONTHLY DEVELOP, UM, DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE. 
          YES. 
          YEP. 
          AND THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW REVIEW COMMITTEE HAS REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE TOWN, HAS REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE COUNTY, BUT NOT THE SCHOOL BOARD. 
          THE SCHOOL DOES COME, THEY'VE BEEN COMING FOR THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, I GUESS THERE MUST HAVE BEEN CONFUSION ABOUT THAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW. 
          THEN MAYBE, MAYBE THIS IS REDUNDANT THEN TODD SMITH USED TO COME AND NOW DR. 
          COSTNER'S COMING. 
          OKAY. 
          SO DO YOU ALL FEEL, UH, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I KNOW I HAVE HEARD MULTIPLE TIMES OVER THE YEARS IS THAT THE CALCULATIONS THESE DEVELOPERS ARE USING IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE IMPACT ON THE SCHOOLS IS A NUMBER BASED ON LIKE, IF THERE'S A NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL OR A NEW SCHOOL, AND THAT THE NUMBERS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT ARE OUTDATED. 
          AND I WOULD SAY ANYTHING OVER A FEW YEARS IS OUTDATED BECAUSE FIVE YEARS AGO, A SCHOOL WOULDN'T COST WHAT A SCHOOL WOULD COST NOW TO BUILD, I MEAN, I, I'M ASSUMING, RIGHT. 
          UM, SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ANYBODY THAT'S REALLY WANTS TO COME HERE, AND IF THEY END UP BEING APPROVED, THAT, THAT THE CITIZENS AREN'T BEARING THE BRUNT OF THOSE IMPACTS. 
          THAT IT'S, THAT, THAT, THAT IF THERE ARE IMPACT FEES THAT, OR THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO ENTERTAIN. 
          UM, AND TWO OTHER THINGS, LIKE TRANSPORTATION. 
          THEY TALKED ABOUT THAT AS, YOU KNOW, TRANSPORTATION, TRANSPORTATION AFFECTS THE SCHOOLS AND BUS ROUTES AND THINGS IN THE TOWN AND COUNTY. 
          SO, MR. DALEY, I, I KNOW YOU'RE AN, YOU WELL, I THINK THE, THE BOARD AND THE COUNCIL BOTH NEED TO REMEMBER HOUSING COSTS, THE TAXPAYERS MONEY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , SAY IT LOUDER. 
          THESE NEW HOUSES THAT ARE GONNA HELP YOURSELF. 
          SAY IT LOUDER. 
          WELL, THESE NEW HOUSES THAT ARE GONNA SHUT DOWN OUR STREET, ASSUME THEY'RE $600 A PIECE, 600,000, EXCUSE ME. 
          ASSUME THEY'RE 600,000 A PIECE, THEY'RE GONNA PAY ABOUT $3,000 IN TAXES THEY'RE GONNA, FOR ONE CHILD 
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IS GOING TO COST WARREN COUNTY ALMOST $10,000 A YEAR. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO EVERY TIME YOU APPROVE HOUSING, IT COSTS THE TAXPAYERS MONEY. 
          MR. DALEY, YOU COULD HAVE BEEN HANGING OUT WITH ME FOR THE LAST FEW MONTHS WALKING DOOR TO DOOR. 
          'CAUSE YOU JUST SOUNDED EXACTLY WHAT I'VE TRIED TO EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE THAT THE $3,000 IN TAX FEES, NOW, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT COSTS $15,000 A YEAR FOR THE CHILD. 
          BUT I THINK THE STATE COVERS YEAH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE COUNTY'S SHARE, BUT KEEP IN MIND THE REST IS THE STATE SHARE. 
          BUT GUESS WHAT, THAT'S STILL STATE. 
          THAT'S, WE'RE STILL STATE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, AND I, I THINK THAT'S, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT, THAT I THINK, AND IT'S NOT JUST THE SCHOOLS THAT ARE IMPACTED, UM, YOU KNOW, EVEN, UH, TOWN SERVICES, YOU KNOW, PD AND SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, FIRE, FIRE DEPARTMENT, IT'S YEAH. 
          FIRE DEPARTMENT, ALL THOSE THINGS. 
          PARKS AND REC. 
          SO I'LL SECOND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK THIS IS, THIS IS, I JUST DON'T KNOW'S THE BEST AVENUE. 
          I DON'T WELL, WE HAD A LOT OF TROUBLE GETTING THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE TO BE A THING. 
          UM, WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE DEVELOP DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE IS, IS A SPOT THAT IT, THAT LANDS, WELL LAST NIGHT AT THE SCHOOL BOARD, IT WAS APPROVED THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOMETHING SET UP AS WE'RE DISCUSSING TONIGHT, TO HAVE A SAY IN IT. 
          AND LIKE I SAID, A AS, AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL FOR THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, I FIND IT VERY DIFFICULT, AND I'VE DISCUSSED THIS EVEN WITH STATE, UH, ELECTED OFFICIALS AT STATE LEVEL TO SAY IT'S CONCERNING THAT WE'RE MAKING DECISIONS THAT COSTS THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, MORE SO THAN THAT. 
          WE HAVE, OF COURSE, WE HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A, UM, A VESTED IN, YOU KNOW, UH, COST AS WELL, YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY POLICE ENFORCEMENT AS WELL. 
          BUT WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, FIRE AND RESCUE AND SCHOOLS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A DECISION THAT, THAT IMPACTS THIS, THIS COUNTY RESIDENTS. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          WHEN WE REALIZE THAT WE'RE MAKING THAT DECISION, I JUST LIKE TO, I, I THINK IT'S FAIR. 
          UM, I DON'T SEE HOW YOU COULDN'T SEE IT'S NOT FAIR YEAH. 
          FOR EVERY, FOR STAKEHOLDERS TO, TO GET INVOLVED IN IT. 
          YEAH. 
          BECAUSE THIS IS WARREN COUNTY. 
          WE ARE NOT, YOU KNOW, UH, WE'RE NOT LOUD COUNTY, WE'RE NOT FAIRFAX COUNTY. 
          WE'RE NOT PRINCE WILLIAM COUNTY. 
          AND I, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT WHAT THEY'VE DONE, YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE HEARD, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONTENTION IN BETWEEN WHAT, WHAT THEY'VE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY'VE DONE WITH THEIR DEVELOPMENT. 
          I JUST DON'T SEE, I DON'T SEE WHAT, WHAT WE HAVE TO HAVE A PROBLEM HERE. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, I THINK MOST OF US HERE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE. 
          WE ALL AGREE. 
          AS DR. 
          DALEY JUST SAID, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT COSTS MONEY. 
          AND VDOT, FOR INSTANCE, WHEN IT COMES TO BUILDING ROADS, YOU KNOW, AS WE, AS AS CHAIRMAN, UH, CHAIRWOMAN, UM, CALLERS AND I HAVE BEEN TOLD METAL MANY TIMES BY VDOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A FACTOR IN TO CONSIDER FOR, FOR, UH, FUNDING, FOR ROAD FUNDING. 
          YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL HOUSING ISN'T, I MEAN, THAT'S JUST A FACT. 
          THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS. 
          THAT'S NOT A FEELING. 
          THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CHANGE UNLESS WE TALK TO THEM. 
          YOU KNOW? BUT THAT'S, THAT'S JUST HOW IT IS. 
          THAT'S A FACT. 
          THAT'S NOT ARGU. 
          THAT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT AN ARGUABLE POINT. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S A FACT. 
          SO I SAID, I JUST FEEL IT'S IMPORTANT. 
          I THINK, AND I, AND I AM NOT SPEAKING FOR ALL TOWN COUNCIL MEMBERS, BUT, UM, I'M JUST SAYING AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL FROM, FROM THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL AND BEING A RESIDENT OF COUNTY, I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS INSTEAD. 
          AND SPECIFICALLY, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, SINCE LAST NIGHT, I KNOW THAT, UH, THE SCHOOL BOARD IN PARTICULAR SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD AGREE THAT THEY HAVE, THEIR BUILDING COMMITTEE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE LIAISON. 
          SO I THINK HAVING THE ELECTED OFFICIALS TOGETHER WOULD, WOULD HELP THAT. 
          UM, WE HAVE, UM, A TOWN, A COUNTY SCHOOL, UH, JOINT BUILDING COMMITTEE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UM, RICH AND I ARE BOTH ON THAT AS WELL AS, UM, MS. SALANS AND, UM, MR. MCFADDEN FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD. 
          AND WE MEET WITH MR. HELMICK AND DR. 
          COSTNER NOW AND GO OVER EVERYTHING. 
          UM, AND IT'S, IT'S WORKING REALLY WELL, UM, TO KEEP US IN THE LOOP OF WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          SO IT JUST MAKES SENSE THAT AT LEAST DR. 
          COSTNER AND MR. HELME, AND MR. HELME DOES A FANTASTIC JOB. 
          HE REALLY DOES. 
          UM, THAT THEY WOULD BE, IF IT'S GONNA BE THAT JOINT, UM, COMMITTEE THAT'S ALREADY FORMED, UM, IF IT NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING ELSE, IF THEY SAY THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY WANNA DO, BUT I AGREE. 
          I DON'T, I JUST WANNA SAY, I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE, I'M NOT TRYING TO GET OUT OF OUR LANE, LIKE THE TOWN THIS, I DON'T THINK IN ANY WAY THAT THAT'S PERCEIVED. 
          NO, I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT. 
          I JUST FEEL LIKE AS, AS COUNCILMAN INGRAM SAID, AS JOSH SAID, AND I'VE FELT LIKE THIS EVEN WHEN I WAS ON COUNCIL, THAT THERE WERE TIMES WHERE WE WERE MAKING DECISIONS THAT IMPACT OTHERS. 
          AND, UM, AND I JUST, I DON'T HAVE A SENSE. 
          YOU'RE GETTING OUTTA YOUR LANE. 
          HAVE SENSE? YOU'RE BEING VERY INVITING AND, AND, AND GRACIOUS TO, TO OPEN THIS UP, . 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS I DID WHEN I 
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CAME IN AND, AND, UH, MY SUPERVISOR OR COLLEAGUES AGREED, IS THAT WE NEED TO, TO, AND I, WE HAVEN'T MADE PROGRESS ON THIS, THIS YEAR. 
          I, I'D DONE A LOT LESS THAN I THOUGHT I COULD THIS YEAR, BUT TO QUANTIFY METRICS THAT TELL US RELIABLY WHAT THE, THE BURDEN OF, OF ANY KIND OF DEVELOPMENT IS, IF IT'S COMMERCIAL, IF IT'S INDUSTRIAL, IF IT'S RESIDENTIAL, WHAT REVENUE STREAMS COME FROM THOSE THINGS. 
          WHAT BURDENS GET CREATED BY THOSE THINGS. 
          WE, IF WE'RE EVER DEVELOP, DEPENDING ON A DEVELOPER TO GIVE US A FORMULA TO SAY IT'S GONNA BE THIS, WE ARE COMPLETELY OUT OF, OFF THE MARK. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA BE SHORTCHANGED EVERY TIME. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, UH, THAT IS, IS NOT MS. CAPISH DID YOU WANNA OFFER I WAS GONNA SAY I'D LOVE JUST, YEAH, JUST WANT ACTUALLY HELP. 
          OH, GOOD. 
          WE'RE ALL ABOUT HELP. 
          SO WHEN THESE REZONINGS COME IN, FIRST OFF, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT EACH REZONING INDEPENDENTLY ON ITS MERIT. 
          SO I CAUTION YOU TO JUST REMEMBER THAT. 
          BUT ALSO WE HAVE A FISCAL IMPACT ANALYSIS REQUIREMENT WHEN THEY SUBMIT THESE PACKAGES, THAT GIVES US THE METRICS PER MOU THAT WE HAVE WITH THE COUNTY. 
          THE COUNTY IS THE KEEPER OF THIS EQUATION, OF THIS FORMULA. 
          SO WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE IS WE, THE APPLICANT COMES TO US, WE DIRECT THEM TO THE COUNTY, TO YOU, YOU GIVE THEM THE DATA, THEY RUN THE INFORMATION. 
          I DON'T KNOW THE LAST TIME THAT THIS HAS BEEN UPDATED, BUT THIS IS WHERE THEY GET THEIR NUMBERS FROM. 
          SO WHEN THEY SAY THAT THEY'RE IN THE BLACK FOR US, LIKE IT'S A NET POSITIVE AND IT IS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE SCHOOLS TO CONSIDER. 
          UM, BUT IT'S, THERE'S A COEFFICIENT THAT GETS APPLIED TO EACH TYPE OF HOUSING. 
          LIKE YOU HAVE MULTIFAMILY. 
          THAT'S ONE COEFFICIENT. 
          HOW MANY STUDENTS DOES THAT GENERATE? AND IT BREAKS IT DOWN INTO ELEMENTARY SCHOOL STUDENTS, MIDDLE SCHOOL AND HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS. 
          AND IT JUST GIVES US A NUMBER. 
          AND LEGALLY THEY'RE ONLY REQUIRED TO PROFFER, OR NOT EVEN REQUIRED, BUT TO OFFSET THE ADDITIONAL CHILDREN BEYOND THE BUY. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT INCREASING DENSITY, THE BUY RIGHT CHILDREN DON'T GET COUNTED INTO THOSE PROFFERS TYPICALLY. 
          WELL, THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. 
          THEY STILL COST. 
          THEY COST. 
          BUT THE THEORY IS IS THAT THE TAXES WOULD COVER THAT. 
          AND SO YOU'RE JUST OFFSETTING THE IMPACT OF THE ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT FLAW THEORY. 
          YES. 
          OUTDATED THEORY. 
          DEFINITELY FLAWED THEORY. 
          RIGHT. 
          ALSO, I, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS FORMULA, BUT WHAT IF IT EXISTS IN THE COUNTY? THEN I'LL SOON, I'LL SOON GET IT. 
          AND WE'LL, BUT FOR YOU TO UPDATE IT, IT'S GONNA BE, I MEAN, IT'S GONNA COST, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO POTENTIALLY GET CONSULTANTS AND IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE A BIG UNDERTAKING. 
          I, I'M A CONSULTANT. 
          I WAS GONNA SAY, I KNOW THE LAST TIME WE DID HAVE THIS CONVERSATION WITH SOMEBODY, I THOUGHT THAT SOMEBODY FROM THE COUNTY AT THE TIME SAID THAT THEY THOUGHT THE NUMBER WAS LIKE 10 YEARS OLD. 
          I, I'M, I'M, I'M LIKE 99.9% SURE. 
          THAT'S WHAT WAS SAID. 
          AND I REMEMBER THINKING PROBABLY THERE WAS A TIME PERIOD WHERE YOU COULD GO 10 YEARS AND THERE WASN'T HUGE JUMPS, BUT THERE'S HUGE JUMPS NOW. 
          AND SO I, MAYBE THE NUMBERS, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO, YOU WANT THE NUMBERS TO BE THE MOST ACCURATE SO THAT YOU ALL, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, AND BOTH COMPREHENSIVE PLANS, THE TOWN AND COUNTY CALL TWO CHANNEL GROWTH TOWARDS THE TOWN. 
          THAT'S WHERE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS. 
          THAT'S WHERE IT MAKES SENSE TO INCREASE THE DENSITY NOT OUT IN THE COUNTY. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THEN THE TOWN AND COUNTY HAVE COME TOGETHER AND PER THE STATE'S REQUIREMENT IN DESIGNATED URBAN GROWTH AREAS, WHICH HAPPENS TO BE THE HAPPY CREEK AREA, GREAT. 
          BUT THE NUMBER THAT, WHAT SHE SAID THIS, BUT THE NUMBER THAT THEY USE YES. 
          THE DEVELOPERS USE THEY GET FROM THE COUNTY. 
          YES. 
          SO WE GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL HAVE THE, THE, THE MOST APPROPRIATE NUMBERS. 
          MM-HMM. 
           FOR THEM. 
          SO THAT WHEN THEY'RE MAKING THOSE ASSUMPTIONS AND IMPACTS THAT THEY'VE GOT ACCURATE DATA. 
          SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, THEY GOT THE NUMBER FROM COUNTY SCHOOLS, NOT THE COUNTY. 
          WELL SEE. 
          BUT THE, THE I, OKAY. 
          THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 
          'CAUSE I, WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT. 
          WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT. 
          'CAUSE I WAS GONNA SAY, I THOUGHT THEY WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THEY WERE GETTING IT FROM THE COUNTY, BUT AGAIN, PROBABLY ANOTHER REASON WHY THIS WOULD BE A GOOD COMMITTEE. 
          YES, DEFINITELY. 
          THE, UH, 
          [8. Water Usage Outside Town Limits During Town Water Conservation – Town]
THE NEXT ONE WAS THE TOWN TOO. 
          UM, SO UNFORTUNATELY THE LAST TWO SUMMERS WE HAVE HAD WATER CONSERVATION IN THE TOWN. 
          THIS SUMMER WE DID NOT HAVE EMERGENCY. 
          WE, WE, WE WENT FROM VOLUNTARY TO MANDATORY AND THEN WE WENT BACK TO, UH, MANDATORY AND THEN WE WERE RELEASED FROM IT. 
          UM, BUT WE'VE HAD PEOPLE ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT, AND WE, SOME, SOME OF OUR OWN PEOPLE HAVE ASKED QUESTIONS THAT WE 
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ARE, WE ENFORCE IN THE TOWN THE RULES ABOUT WATER CONSERVATION. 
          BUT BECAUSE WE HAVE BUSINESSES AND CITIZENS IN THE COUNTY WHO USE OUR WATER, LIKE HOW DO WE ENSURE, AND US REALLY THIS, OR CITIZENS ASK THESE QUESTIONS LIKE, WELL, HOW, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT WATERING THEIR FLOWERS OR, YOU KNOW, THAT TYPE OF THING. 
          UM, AND SO WE, WE WERE LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT, THAT IS A REALLY GOOD, UH, QUESTION BECAUSE REALLY UNTIL THE LAST COUPLE YEARS, IT'S NOT BEEN QUITE ON OUR RADAR AS MUCH AS IT HAS MR. WALTZ. 
          AM I SAYING THAT ANY YEAH, YOU'RE CORRECT. 
          DO I NEED TO BE ANY CLEARER? WAS IT NO, YOU'RE, YOU'RE CORRECT. 
          WE, WE, WE JUST HAVE NO MECHANISM TO, UH, DO ANY, WHEN WE'RE IN WATER CONSERVATION EFFORTS, WE, WE HAVE NO MEASURE TO ENFORCE THAT OR AT LEAST REGULATE IT OR MAKE SURE THAT THEY COMPLY WITH OUR WATER CONSERVATION EFFORTS. 
          WHEN WE ARE IN A CRISIS, LIKE WE WERE THIS YEAR AND PARTICULARLY LAST YEAR, AND IT JUST BECAME APPARENT THIS YEAR WHEN WE STARTED RECEIVING SOME QUESTIONS, MAINLY OUT IN THE BLUE RIDGE SHADOWS AREA. 
          THOSE ARE WATER CUSTOMERS AS WELL. 
          AND THEY WERE WATERING OUR LAWNS. 
          AND, AND SO THOSE WERE QUESTIONS THAT WERE POSED TO US THAT WE JUST DIDN'T REALIZE 'CAUSE IT DIDN'T COME AN ISSUE. 
          SO WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK? OR, OR, OR DO YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT IT AND COME BACK? WHAT DO YOU ASKING ME? WELL, ESSENTIALLY WE JUST, WELL I, IT'S, IT'S BLUE RIDGE. 
          LEMME, WE'RE JUST USING BLUE RIDGE SHADOWS AS, AS A, AS AN EXAMPLE, SINCE THEY GET WATER FROM THE TOWN WITH THE WATER RESTRICTION TOWN RESIDENTS ARE ON THAT WATER RESTRICTION. 
          BUT THE SAME WATER SOURCE IS BEING PROVIDED OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTY. 
          FOR INSTANCE, TWO LIKE BLUE RIDGE SHADOWS, THEY'RE NOT ON THE WATER RESTRICTION BECAUSE THEY'RE OUTSIDE OF TOWN LIMITS. 
          OH. 
          I JUST ASSUMED THEY'RE COVERED BY NOT DISCREET, BUT I THINK THEY'RE COVERED BY THE REGULATIONS OF THE WATER USER. 
          THAT WOULD BE MINE. 
          THAT'S THE UTILITY THAT 'CAUSE THE, UH, I INTERPRET AS A CITIZEN, I'M INTERPRETING THAT WHEN I GET THE NOTICE, THERE'S A WATER RESTRICTION THAT'S MY UTILITY TALKING TO ME AND IT IS THE TOWN. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL IF IT MAY BE THE SIMPLE SOLUTION, LIKE I SAID, WE DON'T, WE JUST DON'T HAVE ANYTHING COVERED BY THE SAME THING BECAUSE THEY SIGN UP FOR YOUR WATER SYSTEM. 
          YEAH, BUT WHO ENFORCES IT THOUGH? YEAH, BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THE COUNTY. 
          BUT JOE , RIGHT. 
          I I, THE FIRST, UH, FIRST COMMENT FROM LEGAL WAS WE COULD NOT ENFORCE OUR TOWN CODE WITH COUNTY RESIDENTS, WHICH I TRULY BELIEVE THAT IS THE CASE. 
          SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, AND WE DON'T HAVE A DIRECT PATH YET, BUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS TO AN IDEA OF HOW WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT EVERY WATER USER, EVEN IN TOWN OR COUNTY COMPLIES WITH OUR WATER CONSERVATION EFFORTS WHEN WE REALLY NEED IT AS A COMMUNITY. 
          'CAUSE WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT 50% OF OUR WATER USAGE GOES ACROSS THE BRIDGES OUT TO THE CORRIDOR. 
          AND IF ONLY 50% ARE PRACTICING WATER CONSERVATION, WE ARE NOT GONNA MAKE AN IMPACT OR RELIEVE THE SITUATION. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY STATISTICS ON, ON RESIDENTIAL VERSUS COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL USE OF OVER IN THE CORRIDOR? UM, I CAN GET THAT. 
          I, I DON'T KNOW IT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD BECAUSE THIS, THIS REALLY APPLIES TO RESIDENTIAL STYLE OF STUFF, RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN IT'S PRINT PRINCIPALLY RESIDENTIAL. 
          RIGHT? SURE. 
          I THINK WE CAN ADDRESS THAT. 
          THERE, THERE COMMERCIAL RESTRICTIONS AS WELL DURING EMERGENT, I MEAN, I, I THINK THAT ANYBODY WHO HAS THE BENEFIT OF USE OF A WATER SYSTEM HAS AN OBLIGATION TO PARTICIPATE IN THE NECESSARY RESTRICTIONS OF A WATER SYSTEM. 
          I THINK SO I DON'T THINK THAT THE SIDE OF A LINE YOU LIVE ON AND IMPLIES THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO TO THE WATER CONTRACT. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I WOULD, I WOULD SAY SINCE YOU'RE RECEIVING, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ELECTING, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT THAT SERVICE, THEN YOU WOULD AGREE TO THAT. 
          TO THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, AS JOE SAID THIS, THIS WASN'T AN ISSUE UNTIL REALLY THIS YEAR. 
          I MEAN THAT WE DIDN'T EVEN REALLY HEAR ABOUT IT LAST YEAR. 
          IT WAS JUST BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION BY A HANDFUL OF FOLKS. 
          AND WE THOUGHT ABOUT, WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A VALID POINT AND THAT'S ALL WE'RE AT. 
          LIKE I SAID, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT NO, IT'S NOTHING NECESSARY. 
          IT'S NOTHING THAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING LIKE THAT. 
          IT'S JUST LIKE COUNTY PART. 
          IT'S JUST WHAT CAN WE DO? YEAH. 
          TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, BECAUSE IF WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO ENFORCE IT AND PER TOWN CODE, THEN WHAT, YOU KNOW, HOW COULD WE HANDLE THIS? UM, SO I WOULD E GET A BILL, RIGHT? THE MR WOULD THEY GET A SEPARATE BILL FOR WATER AND SEWER FROM THE TOWN? THEY GET A SAME UTILITY BILL THAT ANY SORT OF CITY GETS AS WELL. 
          BUT THEY'RE AT, THEY'RE AT A HIGHER RATE JUST FOR WATER. 
          YOU KNOW, IT IS A HIGHER RATE OF COURSE. 
          BUT THIS ISSUE JUST CAME UP. 
          UM, WE PUT IT ON THE LIAISON MEETING JUST TO START THE CONVERSATION. 
          WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A DIRECT PATH YET. 
          UM, BUT WE JUST WANTED TO START THIS CONVERSATION. 
          OBVIOUSLY WE WON'T, HOPEFULLY WE WILL NOT HAVE TO BE DEALING WITH ANY 
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WATER CONSERVATION EFFORTS, AT LEAST TILL NEXT SPRING. 
          UM, BUT, AND WE HOPE NOT, THEN. 
          LET'S HOPE NOT. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, WE JUST WANTED TO INTRODUCE THE TOPIC AND GET SOME DISCUSSION GOING. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          I I I THINK WATER COOPERATION IS, IS YEAH. 
          LIKE NEAR THE TOP OF THE CRITICAL LIST FOR TOWN AND THE COUNTY. 
          SO WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER ON THAT. 
          I CAN'T IMAGINE. 
          I MEAN, I, I HATE TO SEE MY GRASS SIDE TOO, BUT THE COST OF PUTTING THAT WATER THERE, ESPECIALLY THE CONSCIOUS COST, I, I, I DON'T KNOW THEY COULD DO THAT. 
          BUT I'D LIKE TO THINK THAT IT'S JUST A SIMPLE FACT THAT THOSE FOLKS DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, AND HOW DO WE TELL THEM, YOU KNOW? AND I THINK IT'S ALL, IT REALLY WAS. 
          I DON'T THINK THERE'S A BAD THERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          I MEAN, I, I, I WOULD LIKE TO THINK IF THEY HAD, YOU KNOW, IF IF THEY HAD KNOWN THEN, YOU KNOW, THEY PROBABLY WOULD'VE FOLLOWED SUIT. 
          JUST LIKE, JUST LIKE THE REST OF US. 
          THAT'S ALL HOW YOU NOTIFY IT. 
          DOES THAT GO AND, I MEAN, I KNOW IT WENT ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND ALL THAT, BUT DOES IT ALSO GO IN THE BILLS THAT YOU'RE UNDER WHEN YOU SEND OUT THE WATER BILLS DURING THAT PERIOD? NO, IT DOESN'T. 
          OKAY. 
          NO, WE HANDLE THAT. 
          THE PUBLIC NOTICES AND THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA. 
          YEAH. 
          THERE ARE SIGNS. 
          WE DO HAVE THE TRAILER, THE SIGN TRAILERS AND STUFF. 
          YEAH, I SAW ALL THAT GOING INTO TOWN. 
          BUT THAT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THEY WOULD SEE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, HEALTH, 
          [9. Healthcare Resolution Next Steps – Town]
THE NEXT ONE, IT SAYS TOWN, BUT YOU AND I HAD ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THIS IS REALLY A JOINT, JUST THE, THE COUNTY HAD PASSED THE HEALTHCARE RESOLUTION AND WE PASSED HEALTHCARE RESOLUTION. 
          AND I THINK THE IDEA WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS? I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT TO DO WITH THAT? LIKE WHERE DO WE GO WITH THAT? DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT? OR, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW TO, WITH, I'M GOING TO VERY SIMPLISTICALLY SAY, YOU KNOW, HOW TO GET THE WORD OUT TO MAYBE OTHER HEALTHCARE, LIKE UVA YEAH, WHATEVER. 
          WELL, JUST ANYWHERE OUT IN THE COMMUN NO, OUT IN THE HEALTHCARE COMMUNITY. 
          LIKE WE ARE OPEN. 
          WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO, YOU KNOW, ENTERTAIN A BIRTHING CENTER OR, UM, SERVICES LIKE THAT. 
          DO YOU ALL, YOU ALL, I I LOOK TO BOTH OF YOU BECAUSE, ESPECIALLY YOU, BECAUSE YOU'VE, UM, YOU HAVE A LOT OF CONTEXT EVERYWHERE OF, YOU KNOW, HAVING, UM, HAVING PARTICIPATED IN, UM, PROPOSAL TO BRING NEW HEALTHCARES PROVIDERS INTO A COMMUNITY BEFORE. 
          UM, IT'S A MATTER, YOU GOTTA LOOK AT THE MATH, QUITE FRANKLY, THE COMPANIES, ANY HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS GOING TO LOOK AT WHAT THE MARKET IS AND HOW STRONG THAT MARKET IS. 
          UM, IT'S MORE OF AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THING. 
          UH, HEALTHCARE IS ONE OF OUR LARGEST INDUSTRIES. 
          WELL, I, I KNOW EVERYBODY'S AFRAID WHEN OPEN MY MOUTH WHEN IT COMES TO VALLEY HEALTH 'CAUSE I PRETTY MUCH THROW IT OUT THERE. 
          BUT I KNOW THEY'VE GOT A MONOPOLY, NOT JUST IN WARREN COUNTY. 
          THEY'VE GOT A MONOPOLY IN THE VALLEY. 
          AND YOU KNOW, THE FACT IS, AND I LISTENED TO THEM ON THE RADIO TODAY, AND THEY'RE GONNA DO A SURVEY AND THEY'VE ALL THIS STUFF, BUT THE FACT IS, DESPITE WHATEVER THE SURVEY IS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PULLING HAVE PULLED SERVICES THAT WE HAD IN THIS COMMUNITY WHEN IT WAS JUST A SMALL HOSPITAL, NOT OWNED BY A CONGLOMERATE, UM, THAT THE PEOPLE HERE USED AND EXPECTED. 
          AND NOW PULLING OUT AND NOT HAVING AS MANY DOCTORS AND LOSING DOCTORS BECAUSE OF THAT IN THE EMERGENCY ROOM, YOU KNOW, BUT THEY ARE STILL THE MECCA OF THE VALLEY. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I CAN SEE WHERE THAT'S GONNA BE, UM, A PROBLEM FOR ANY ENTITY TO COME IN BECAUSE YOU'RE UP AGAINST THE STONE WALL CUT TO A CERTAIN DEGREE. 
          UM, SO TO ME, I DON'T THINK FOR OIL AND WARREN COUNTY CAN DO THIS ALONE. 
          I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE A VALLEY ISSUE WHERE ALL THE AFFECTED AREAS COME TOGETHER AND AS AN EQUAL FORCE, LIKE WE DID WITH BROADBAND, LIKE WE DID WHEN THE EIGHT OR NINE COUNTIES, UH, WENT TO VACO, GOT TOGETHER TO GO UP AGAINST BRIGHT SPEED BECAUSE OF THEIR POOR SERVICE. 
          I, YOU KNOW, I I THINK NUMBERS, THE LARGER THE NUMBERS, THE BETTER THE CHANCE OF MAKING A DIFFERENCE, EVEN IF IT'S JUST TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO VALLEY HEALTH TO IMPROVE THE SERVICES THEY'RE 
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GIVING US. 
          THAT'S MY THOUGHT. 
          NOW I'D JUST LIKE TO ADD THAT FIRST OFF, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO THANK THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR PASSING THIS RESOLUTION, YOU KNOW, UH, PRIOR TO OURS, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN SEE WE, WE BORROWED HEAVILY, UH, FROM Y'ALL'S, Y'ALL'S LANGUAGE. 
          BUT, UH, BUT I AM GLAD TO SEE THAT THIS FOR NOW IS, IS A JOINT TOWN AND COUNTY, UH, EFFORT. 
          SO THAT, UM, SO THAT THE FOLKS HERE CAN SEE THAT BOTH BOARDS ARE ON BOARD FOR THIS. 
          AND AS YOU, IF YOU NOTICE HERE, THIS ISN'T DIRECTED INTO ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY. 
          THIS IS DIRECTED JUST FOR GETTING ADDITIONAL HEALTHCARE SERVICES. 
          THAT'S ALL, YOU KNOW, AS, AS, AS THESE RESOLUTION STATE. 
          IT'S, AND IT'S, AND IT'S, AND IT'S COMING FROM THE VOICES OF OUR, OF OUR RESIDENTS ACROSS THE BOARD. 
          UH, SO I, I'D LIKE FOR EVERYBODY TO REALIZE THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE HEARING ABOUT FROM OUR RESIDENTS THAT WE'RE JOINTLY RESPONDING TO. 
          AND THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, AND I, AND I AGREE THAT WHAT'S WHAT, WHAT'S, UH, WHAT WHAT YOU, UH, UH, TERM CHAIRMAN MC CALLERS YOU, CHERYL, I DIDN'T. 
          CHERYL . 
          IT'S EASIER. 
          UH, YEAH. 
          I USED TO CALL YOU CHERYL SOMETIMES, AND I'LL CALL YOU CHAIRMAN CALLERS, YOUR SUPERVISOR CALLERS. 
          UM, AND AND THAT'S A, THAT'S A VALID POINT. 
          THAT'S SOMETHING I PERSONALLY HAVE NEVER THOUGHT OF, UM, AS A WHOLE, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE REGION FOR THAT MATTER. 
          YOU KNOW, I, I PER I, I'M SURE THAT THERE'S, THERE ARE OTHER AVENUES OUT THERE THAT MAYBE WE CAN GET ON BOARD FOR THIS AS WELL, BUT, UH, BUT YEAH, BUT I THINK THAT'S, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA. 
          SO, AND I THINK WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, AS, UH, JOSH SAID IT WASN'T REALLY AN ATTACK ON ANYBODY. 
          IT WAS MORE LIKE A WAY TO SAY, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY WOULD LIKE TO HELP US ADDRESS OUR UNMET NEEDS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE NEEDS IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          THEY'RE BEING NOT BEING MET, UM, IN TERMS OF HEALTHCARE. 
          MAYBE IT'S THE BIRTHING, YOU KNOW, THOSE, UH, WOMEN'S CARE, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. 
          SO, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW. 
          IS IT, I, SO I WAS GONNA SAY LIKE MAYBE WE NEEDED TO PUT OUT LIKE A PRESS RELEASE, LIKE A JOINT PRESS RELEASE. 
          BUT, BUT MAYBE YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          MAYBE IT'S, WE TRY TO GET OTHERS IN THE VALLEY ON BOARD WITH IT TOO. 
          I MEAN, I, I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE ARE DOES THIS PAGE AND, UM, HUNDO, THEY DON'T HAVE, THEY DON'T HAVE BIRTHING OPTIONS THERE EITHER ANYMORE. 
          NO, NO. 
          SO WINCHESTER'S IT MM-HMM. 
          , OKAY. 
          I MEAN, AS FAR AS THAT HEALTHCARE FACILITY. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, AND, AND THAT WAS ONE THING THAT REALLY BOTHERED ME WAS A LETTER THAT WAS SENT OUT TO STAFF BASICALLY SAYING I HAD TALKED BADLY ABOUT STAFF AND THAT THEY WEREN'T DOING THEIR JOBS. 
          WELL, I NEVER SAID A BAD THING ABOUT ANY STAFF. 
          THE NURSES, THE DOCTORS THERE ARE NOT MAKING THESE UPPER MANAGEMENT DECISIONS ON WHAT SERVICES STAY AND WHAT SERVICES DON'T. 
          AND IT JUST IS IN ANYTHING. 
          YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A NURSE THAT YOU THINK WALKED ON WATER FOR YOU, AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A NURSE THAT YOU THINK DIDN'T MEET YOUR EVERY NEED. 
          IT'S, THAT'S LIFE. 
          THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS. 
          BUT I WILL SAY, IF THEY'RE THERE, I'VE, THE TIMES I'VE BEEN THERE, THEY ARE HUMPING BECAUSE THEY'RE SHORT STAFFED AND THEY'RE DOING THE BEST THAT THEY CAN DO. 
          AND I'M NOT GONNA SAY A BAD THING ABOUT THEM. 
          UM, BECAUSE IF I'VE GOT POOR SERVICE, I'LL DEAL WITH THAT AS AN INDIVIDUAL. 
          BUT AS A WHOLE, NONE OF MY COMMENTS WERE MEANT FOR ANY OF THE STAFF AND THE BOOTS ON THE GROUND. 
          THEY'RE NOT MAKING EXECUTIVE DECISIONS. 
          THESE ARE EXECUTIVE DECISIONS THAT I'M CONCERNED WITH. 
          WELL, DO WE WANT TO SEE IF WE CAN GET ANY, UM, ENGAGEMENT OUT OF OTHER PLACES FIRST WHEN MAYBE THE FIRST OF THE YEAR LOOK AT SENDING OUT A, A, YOU KNOW, A JOINT PRESS RELEASE OR MAYBE OTHERS MIGHT BE WILLING TO ENTERTAIN THIS, OR WHAT DO WE, UM, I JUST FEEL LIKE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT IT. 
          THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT IT, AND WE TOOK A STEP. 
          I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO LIKE BE ON THE SHELF. 
          AND WE'RE, YOU KNOW, SIX MONTHS FROM NOW WE'RE LIKE, WELL, WHAT DID YOU DO WITH THE, WELL, WHAT DID YOU KNOW? WELL, I, SO I'M FULL WILLING TO SAY, LET'S INVITE ALL THE SURROUNDING COUNTIES THAT ARE UNDER VALLEY HEALTH AND SAY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME TO A CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS? AND THOSE THAT COME, THOSE THAT DON'T. 
          AND, UH, DR. 
          DALEY'S OVER THERE WANTING TO SHOOT ME AS, AS I SPEAK, BUT A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. 
          UH, ONE THING IS, UM, DR. 
          DAILEY MENTIONED THIS OR, OR SORT OF TOUCHED ON IT, BUT THERE ARE, I MEAN, WHEREVER THERE'S A MONOPOLY, 
          [01:45:01]
UM, THERE'S A POTENTIAL PROBLEM. 
          BUT THERE ARE MANY PLACES WHERE THERE ARE SOMETIMES CALLED NATURAL MONOPOLIES. 
          SO FOR EXAMPLE, WATER SYSTEMS ARE NATURAL MONOPOLIES. 
          ELECTRIC SYSTEMS ARE NATURAL MONOPOLIES. 
          'CAUSE 'CAUSE IT'S JUST NOT POSSIBLE TO HAVE TWO SETS OF PIPES AND TWO SETS OF ELECTRICAL WIRES AND, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF THING. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, AND MAYBE NOT POSSIBLE TO HAVE TWO HOSPITALS, YOU KNOW, IN A CERTAIN, CERTAIN, UH, AREA. 
          SO, SO WHEREVER THERE'S A MONOPOLY, UH, FIRST THING IS, YOU KNOW, DOES IT NEED TO BE THAT WAY? IS THERE SOMETHING COMPETITIVE THAT THAT COULD CREATE A COMPETITIVE SITUATION SO THAT SERVICES WOULD BE NATURALLY INCLINED TO IMPROVE? SO THERE'S THAT. 
          UH, AND, AND THEN WHAT THAT LEADS ME TO IS THE, THE NOTION THAT THERE'S A DISTINCT POSSIBILITY THAT, UM, VALLEY HEALTH MAY, MAY BE ABLE TO RESPOND MM-HMM. 
           TO THESE CONCERNS. 
          AND, UH, IN A WAY THAT'S, THAT'S SATISFACTORY. 
          SO, SO IT HAS TO BE, HOPEFULLY ONE OF THE OPTIONS IS, IS, UM, YOU KNOW, THEIR POTENTIAL MOVEMENT, UM, MM-HMM. 
           AND, AND KEEPING THE COMMUNICATION OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE, THE EFFORT GOING WITH THAT, I THINK IS, IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE, WE JUST HAVE TO KEEP AN OPEN MIND ABOUT. 
          OH, AND ABSOLUTELY. 
          I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THEM INCREASE, LISTEN TO THE CONCERNS AND INCREASE THE SERVICE. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, SO YOU, THAT'S ALL I HAVE REALLY IS, IS THAT, THAT WHEN, WHEN WE, IF THERE'S A MONOPOLY AND, AND THERE IS, IS IT A JUSTIFIED, POTENTIALLY, IF SO, HOW CAN IT BE MANAGED AND REGULATED? THERE'S SUCH A THING AS A PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION THAT OVERSEES RATES FOR ELECTRIC RATES, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN COUNCIL SITES, YOU KNOW, ON YOUR RATES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S, I DON'T HAVE MORE THAN THAT. 
          IT'S JUST SOME, SOME RANDOM THOUGHTS. 
          SORRY. 
          NO, AND I, I BELIEVE DR. 
          DALEY IS CORRECT ABOUT MATH. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S A, IT'S A CORPORATION. 
          UM, AND I'M SURE FOR THEM IT'S THE EXPENSE VERSUS WHAT THEY'RE BRINGING IN. 
          SO I, AND I'M SURE THAT'S WHAT LED THEM TO THE DECISION THAT THEY MADE. 
          UM, IT IT'S JUST THAT WE, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S A CONCERN. 
          I MEAN, I, LAST NIGHT A LADY WAS TELLING ME HER STORY ABOUT GOING TO WINCHESTER AND THEY TOLD HER SHE WASN'T IN LABOR. 
          SHE THOUGHT SHE WAS, AND THEY TOLD HER SHE NEEDED A, YOU KNOW, SHE WAS FINE. 
          SHE COULD GO HOME AND WITHIN 32 MINUTES SHE HAD HER BABY. 
          AND SHE SAID, ALL I CAN THINK OF IS I WOULD'VE BEEN ON 81 GOING BACK HOME. 
          SO, AND I KNOW THAT COULD HAPPEN ANYWHERE, BUT, UM, BUT IF, YOU KNOW, IF MAYBE THERE'S NOT NECESSARILY ANOTHER HOSPITAL, BUT SOMETHING ELSE DID YOU WANNA OFFER? DO YOU? YEP. 
          DO YOU MIND IF I, YEAH. 
          SO I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS FROM MORE OF A DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT AND, UM, HAVE WE CONSIDERED WAYS TO MAKE OUR COMMUNITY MORE ATTRACTIVE TO A SMALLER REGIONAL, NOT NECESSARILY A SYSTEM, BUT TO HAVE OTHER PROVIDERS? I FEEL LIKE VALLEY HEALTH HAS MADE THEMSELVES RELATIVELY CLEAR ON WHERE THEY STAND ON THIS. 
          SO I'M NOT PUTTING MY EGGS IN THAT PARTICULAR BASKET, BUT COULD WE LOOK AT THIS FROM A FACILITIES, THE AVAILABILITY STANDPOINT, FROM A ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES AND INCENTIVES THAT WE COULD PROVIDE SOMETHING THAT WOULD MAYBE ATTRACT A MORE BOUTIQUE KIND OF PROVIDER? BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ANOTHER HEALTH SYSTEM COMPETITOR THAT'S GONNA WANNA MOVE INTO OUR COMMUNITY, BUT THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT WE NEED SOMEONE THAT'S AS FULL SERVICE AS WHAT VALLEY HEALTH OFFERS MAY, MAYBE WE'RE LOOKING FOR MORE SPECIFIC SERVICES, AND PERHAPS WE COULD FIND A WAY TO MAKE OURSELVES MORE ATTRACTIVE WITH SOME OF THE RESOURCES WE ALREADY HAVE, UM, AS OPPOSED TO CHALLENGING THE SYSTEM THAT VALLEY HEALTH IS. 
          UM, I'M NOT SURE THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO KEEP RUNNING HEAD FIRST INTO THAT WALL AND MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE, BUT MAYBE, MAYBE WE CAN FIND A WAY TO WORK COLLABORATIVELY TO MAKE OUR COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE MORE ATTRACTIVE TO SOMEBODY WHO DOES THIS TYPE OF REGIONAL SERVICE. 
          UM, I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE HAD TALKED, IF THE ELECTED OFFICIALS HAD DISCUSSED WAYS TO BE ABLE TO MAKE US A MORE ATTRACTIVE DESTINATION FOR THAT YET. 
          I DON'T THINK SO. 
          NO. 
          I THINK UNLESS HE'S GOT A GOOD POINT. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT WAS ONE OF THE POINTS WE HAD IN DISCUSSION. 
          WHAT ARE OUR NEXT STEPS? YEAH. 
          I MEAN THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW. 
          RIGHT? I MEAN, I THINK THE RESOLUTION WAS JUST TO JOINTLY SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. 
          I DON'T THINK WE'VE GOTTEN TO THAT SPECIFIC POINT YET, BUT I I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS A HUNDRED PERCENT VIABLE. 
          UH, LIZZIE, I MEAN, I, SAM WE'RE OPEN FOR BUSINESS IS GREAT, BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO 
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BACK THAT UP. 
          RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          SO I, I, THAT'S NOT MY SPACE, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY TALK TO SOME FOLKS WHO THAT IS THEIR SPACE AND DETERMINE WHAT WOULD MAKE US MORE ATTRACTIVE TO RIGHT, UH, PROVIDERS IN A SMALLER REGION. 
          WE HAVE SEEN REGION, I MEAN, YOU CAN GO, YOU CAN GO EAST OF HERE AND YOU CAN SEE COMPETITIVE HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS. 
          IT HAS HAPPENED. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          I MEAN, IT'S HAPPENED WITH INOVA IN, IN PRINCE WILLIAM AND FAIRFAX. 
          LOUDOUN. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , YOU KNOW, THERE ARE OTHER PROVIDERS THERE. 
          THERE'S AVAN. 
          SURE. 
          UH, THERE'S CENTARA THERE. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S D THERE'S MULTIPLE HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS THAT ARE SERVING, SERVING THE SAME SPACE. 
          SO, AND, BUT THAT'S THAT AREA THOUGH. 
          MM-HMM. 
           AGAIN, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE THAT'S, THAT WORKS FOR THEM. 
          BUT YEAH, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, LIZ. 
          YEAH, I THINK IT'S GREAT. 
          I THINK IT'S ONE REASON WHY WE'RE UP HERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          AND I'M NOT IN CHILDBEARING YEARS ANYMORE, OBVIOUSLY, BUT I WAS, UH, THERE WAS, UH, A LADY TALKING TO ME ABOUT THIS LAST NIGHT AND THERE ARE APPARENTLY LIKE, UM, NOT NECESSARILY LIKE A HOSPITAL, BUT LIKE A GROUP THAT COMES INTO AREAS AND SHE SAID LIKE THEY PROVIDE LITERALLY LIKE, UM, DOULAS AND MIDWIVES AND YOU KNOW, PHYSICIANS BIRTHING CENTERS. 
          IT'S A ING ABSOLUTELY. 
          CONSULTANTS, LIKE ALL ABSOLUTELY. 
          IN THERE TOGETHER. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          YEP. 
          AND, UM, AND AGAIN, MAYBE IT IS A REGIONAL THING BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST AFFECTING US. 
          UM, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY WORTH US. 
          MM-HMM. 
           DISCUSSING. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW WHEN WE CAN PUT THIS BACK ON A TOPIC. 
          'CAUSE AGAIN, I JUST DON'T WANT, I JUST, IT WOULD BE GOOD IF WE COULD MAKE SOME PROGRESS TOWARDS LIKE, WHAT SHOULD WE DO NEXT? OR WHAT COULD WE LOOK INTO? OR WHO COULD WE FIND INFORMATION FOR SO THAT WE DON'T WAIT THREE MONTHS AND DO IT AGAIN AND SAY, WHAT DO YOU WANNA DO NOW? UM, SO, BUT TONIGHT'S, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO MAKE THIS DECISION, BUT MAYBE JUST TALK AMONGST OURSELVES, SO, OKAY. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU, . 
          BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ABOUT THIS TOPIC OR NO, AM I ALLOWED TO SPEAK? I I YOU WANNA JUST SHARE IT WITH US LATER? I CAN. 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN, I'D LOVE TO, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO FOLLOW THE RULES OF THE, THE ON MEETING, SO. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THE 
          [10. Tourism – County]
LAST ITEM IS TOURISM. 
          AND I WANTED TO PUT THAT ON THERE. 
          UM, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD A HISTORY TOGETHER AND SEPARATE ON TOURISM FOR QUITE A WHILE NOW, AND YOU GUYS ARE DOING A GREAT JOB WITH YOUR TOURISM AND WE NEED TO STEP UP OUR GAME. 
          SO WE HAVE PUT IT OUT FOR APPLICATIONS AND THAT'S MY COMMITTEE. 
          UM, SO I'M FINALLY PUSHING TO GET THAT THING STARTED BECAUSE I THINK WE AS A COUNTY ARE MISSING A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I LIVE OFF THREE 40 AND I, I SEE IT ALL THE TIME GOING TO PAGE COUNTY, THEY DRIVE THROUGH WARREN COUNTY TO GO TO PAGE COUNTY. 
          AND PAGE COUNTY IS JUST DOING ALL KINDS OF THINGS UP THERE. 
          SO, UM, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY COMMITTEE? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT GETTING A TOURISM CITIZEN? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CITIZENS AND YEAH. 
          AND BUSINESSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SIMILAR TO WHAT, WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING. 
          I'M NOT REAL UP TO DATE ON HOW YOU'RE DOING, BUT WE'VE PUT OUT APPLICATIONS AND I'M HOPING TO GET THAT, HOPEFULLY GET ENOUGH PEOPLE, UH, APPLICATIONS TO UM, GET THAT DONE SO WE CAN GET UP AND RUNNING BY THE FIRST OF THE YEAR AND LOOKING AT OPPORTUNITIES AND JUST GETTING OUR TOURISM GOING. 
          UM, IT'S GREAT THAT THEY DISCOVER FRONT WORLD, BUT THEY NEED TO EXPERIENCE WARREN COUNTY. 
          SO  I LOVE THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          I WAS GONNA SAY REMEMBER. 
          AND UM, IN THE PAST, THE COMMITTEE WHEN THERE, YOU KNOW, AS YOU SAID, WE, THEY HAD, I, AS I RECALL, THERE WAS LIKE SOMEBODY FROM HOSPITALITY, SOMEBODY FROM LIKE RESTAURANTS, SOMEBODY YOU KNOW, HOTELS LIKE, AND SOMEBODY FROM, I REMEMBER THERE WAS A PERSON FROM THE GOLF COURSE THERE, LODGING OF, YEAH, IT WAS LODGING, HOSPITALITY. 
          THERE'S TWO THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE FOR THE STATE RETIRED. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY. 
          I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING, BUT I THINK THE MORE PEOPLE YOU HAVE ON THERE YEAH. 
          AND WE'RE FOCUSING ON COUNTY, YOU GUYS ARE FOCUSING ON TOWN, SO WE'RE GONNA FOCUS ON THE COUNTY. 
          AND, UM, BUT I, I WANTED IN COOPERATION OF CLEAR COMMUNICATION. 
          RIGHT, I GOTCHA. 
          THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING THIS AND UM, I'M SURE THERE, THERE AT SOME POINT WILL BE SOME OVERLAPPING, BUT JUST TO, TO GIVE YOU THE HEADS UP, WELL, LIZ'S HERE TONIGHT, SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO SPEAK. 
          BUT I WAS GONNA SAY, DID YOU WANNA SHARE ANYTHING? BUT WHEN YOU SAY YOU'RE FOCUSING ON COUNTY, I, I WILL SAY, 'CAUSE I'VE BEEN IN THE VISITOR CENTER TO HEAR IT, THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, AS, UM, I, I DON'T WANNA STEAL HER THUNDER. 
          SHE CAN SHARE TOO ABOUT HOW, HOW IT RELATES TO WHAT, LIKE NOT JUST THE TOWN. 
          LIKE WHEN YOU WERE SAYING, I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE FOCUSING ON THE TOWN, I KNOW THAT OH, I'M SURE YOU'RE SAYING IT'S BOTH SOMEBODY WANTS TO GO FISHING OR, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF THING. 
          UH, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. 
          SO WHEN WE ARE 
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PROVIDING ALL OF THE ASSETS TO A VISITOR, BE IT ONLINE, ON OUR WEBSITE, BE IT IN PERSON, BE IT ON THE PHONE, UM, WE, WE HIGHLIGHT THE WHOLE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, THERE'S NO BRIGHT YELLOW LINE THAT'S PAINTED WHERE THE TOWN ENDS AND THE COUNTY BEGINS. 
          THAT'S NOT HOW WE ROLL. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE STILL ANSWER AT THE FRONT ROYAL WARREN COUNTY VISITOR CENTER WHEN YOU CALL, BECAUSE WE ARE ONE COMMUNITY AND ONE DESTINATION. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH LESLIE. 
          UM, YOUR TOURISM. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UM, MANAGER, I BELIEVE IT'S HER CORRECT TITLE. 
          UM, AND YOU KNOW, WE, WE TALK, UH, SEVERAL TIMES A WEEK ACTUALLY, . 
          UM, AND WE ARE INVOLVED IN SOME REGIONAL PARTNERSHIPS AND THAT SORT OF THING TOGETHER. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN GREAT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOMEONE TO WORK WITH ON THE TOWN COUNTY SIDE OF THINGS. 
          UM, YES, A A BIG PART OF MY POSITION IS FOCUSED A LOT ON DOWNTOWN AND OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT THAT'S NOT THE WHOLE PUZZLE. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DO FOCUS ON THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE AND ALL OF OUR NATURAL ASSETS BECAUSE THAT'S A HUGE PART FOR US. 
          UM, BUT OUR HISTORIC ASSETS, OUR ARTS AND CULTURE, ALL OF THOSE THINGS. 
          UM, AND WE GOT MORE PLACES TO EAT NOW THAN EVER BEFORE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE REALLY BENEFICIAL TO THE VISITOR AS A WHOLE. 
          SO WE, WE DO MARKET THE DESTINATION AS IN ITS ENTIRETY. 
          UM, NOW I DO YOU STICK TO OUR BRAND FOR SURE. 
          DISCOVER FRONT ROYAL. 
          UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE HAPPY TO SHARE AND CONTINUE TO SHARE WITH EXPERIENCE WARREN COUNTY BECAUSE YOU DO EXPERIENCE THE WHOLE THING EVEN WHEN YOU'RE JUST IN THE TOWN. 
          SO, AND I, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S THERE, I'M, THERE'S PROBABLY A LOT OF OVERLAP, BUT UM, WITH THE FOCUS ON WHAT'S OUT THERE IN THE, IN THE COUNTY OF COURSE IS, YOU KNOW, BUT WE'RE JUST GETTING STARTED. 
          SO I'M JUST SAYING THAT I WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE THAT THERE WILL BE HOPEFULLY, I'M HOPEFUL. 
          I'M VERY HOPEFUL 'CAUSE WE DO NEED TO UP OUR GAME ON THAT AND WE'RE HAPPY TO HELP IN ANY WAY THAT WE CAN. 
          YEP. 
          YOU KNOW, THAT. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          YES, OF COURSE. 
          AND IT SEEMS LIKE FROM SOCIAL MEDIA, THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT SHOULD VOLUNTEER 'CAUSE THEY, THEY, WELL, WE PUT IT OUT THERE, THEY SEEM VERY INTERESTED, SO MAYBE THEY'LL STEP UP AND, AND HELP YOU OUT WITH THAT. 
          YEP. 
          WE DO APPRECIATE THEIR ENTHUSIASM. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          YEP. 
          I WAS JUST GONNA SAY ABOUT THIS WEEKEND, THIS PAST WEEKEND IS JUST A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF HOW MANY PEOPLE CAME TO OUR COMMUNITY AND YOU KNOW, I MEAN THAT I, I DON'T, I DIDN'T, I WASN'T THERE WITH A CLICKER, BUT I'VE BEEN GOING TO THE FESTIVAL LEAVES SINCE I WAS A KID, A YOUNG CHILD. 
          UM, IT'S ALWAYS AROUND MY BIRTHDAY. 
          THAT'S HOW I REMEMBER IT. 
          BUT, UM, THAT'S THE LARGEST CROWD I'VE EVER SEEN THERE. 
          UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK IF THERE'S ANYBODY. 
          YOU'VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME, BUT I WAS GONNA SAY DEFINITELY A HUGE CROWD. 
          UM, SO GETTING THOSE PEOPLE TO COME IN, SPEND THEIR MONEY, GO HOME, WE DON'T HAVE TO EDUCATE THEIR CHILDREN . 
          UM, BUT UH, BUT YEAH, IT WAS, IT WAS A GREAT WEEKEND AND IT WAS A LOT OF, A LOT OF PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THAT. 
          REBA WAS INVOLVED, BUT, BUT SOME OF THE MEMBERS OF REBA HAVE BUSINESSES OUTSIDE OF THE TOWN, SO THEY'RE MM-HMM. 
          YOU KNOW, BUT, UM, ANYWAY, ONE SHOUT OUT TO THE HOMESTEADERS CONFERENCE AS WELL. 
          THAT WAS AT WARREN COUNTY FAIRGROUNDS. 
          THEY DID AN EXTRAORDINARY JOB PULLING OFF A MASSIVE EVENT THEMSELVES. 
          YES. 
          AND THIS IS HOW MANY YEARS NOW HAS IT BEEN AT THE FAIRGROUNDS? I BELIEVE THREE. 
          I WAS GONNA SAY, DON'T QUOTE ME, BUT I'M FAIRLY CERTAIN. 
          THREE WAS THE NUMBER THAT POPPED IN MY HEAD. 
          SO YEAH. 
          AND MAYBE BETWEEN LESLIE AND LIZ AND LIZZIE BEFORE ANOTHER HOMESTEADERS COMES AROUND, IS THAT, I THINK ABOUT LIKE, WHEN YOU GO TO THE BEACH, YOU GET THOSE LIKE COUPON BOOKS. 
          OH, WE'RE, WE'VE ALREADY GOT PLANS, MME. MAY. 
          YEAH. 
          DON'T YOU WORRY. 
          I THINK, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, SO THAT THEY MAYBE COME, COME SOMEWHERE ELSE, MAYBE EAT SOMEWHERE ELSE, NOT JUST NECESSARILY IN THE TOWN, BUT ANYWHERE ELSE. 
          MAYBE THEY'LL COME A LITTLE EARLY, STAY A FEW DAYS LEFT AND, AND A LOT OF THEM DID, WHICH IS, IS GREAT. 
          I, I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE HAD WAY MORE HOMESTEADERS THIS YEAR COME THROUGH THE VISITOR CENTER ON THE WEDNESDAY, THURSDAY, KIND OF LEADING UP TO IT. 
          AND THEN EVEN ON SATURDAY AND SUNDAY AS WELL DURING THE CONFERENCE. 
          SO, UM, MORE IN THE TOWN THIS YEAR THAN WE'VE EVER HAD BEFORE. 
          'CAUSE OF COURSE WE ASKED PEOPLE WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM, SO YEAH. 
          AND THEY WERE GREAT AND WE HELPED TWO OF THEM PLAN THEIR TRIP TO COME BACK NEXT SPRING, SO OH WOW. 
          THAT WAS GREAT. 
          BUT THEY ALWAYS DO IT THE SAME WEEKEND. 
          RIGHT? SOMEBODY TOLD ME THAT THEY DO. 
          IT'S ALWAYS THE SAME WEEKEND AS SAL LEAVES. 
          IF THEY WOULD, IT'D BE SO GREAT IF THEY WOULD JUST COME A WEEKEND BEFORE, A WEEKEND AFTER AND WE'D HAVE IT DOES POSE A BIT OF A LODGING CHALLENGE. 
          YES. 
          BUT WE MAKE IT WORK. 
          THANK YOU, LIZZIE. 
          OF COURSE. 
          WELL THAT'S THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE NEXT MEETING 
          [Next Meeting – Thursday, January 16, 2025, at 6:00 PM in the Council Chambers at Town Hall]
JANUARY 16TH, 2025. 
          AND THAT WILL BE AT THE TOWN HALL. 
          YEP. 
          SO APPRECIATE EVERYBODY COMING. 
          SORRY RICH. 
          I THOUGHT I WAS GONNA KEEP IT TO AN HOUR. 
          , HE'S GOT HIS SON'S BIRTHDAY PARTY. 
          HE'S, HE'S GONNA BE IN TROUBLE. 
          WHEN'S 
          [02:00:01]
YOUR SON'S BIRTHDAY? TODAY. 
          TODAY? YEAH.
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