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AND GENTLEMEN, WE'LL CALL THE NOVEMBER 13TH, 2024 MEETING OF THE WARREN COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSIONED ORDER.FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA, PLEASE RISE AS YOU'RE ABLE TO REMOVE YOUR HATS FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, LIBERTY, AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[III. Adoption of the Agenda]
OUR NEXT ITEM IS THE ADOPTION OF OUR AGENDA FOR TONIGHT.MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE AGENDA AS PRESENTED.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, WE SAY AYE.
OPPOSED? OUR AGENDA'S ADOPTED.
[IV. Adoption of the Regular Meeting Minutes]
NEXT ITEM.ADOPTION OF THE REGULAR MEETING MINUTES OF OCTOBER 9TH, 2024.
MR. CHAIRMAN, MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE REGULAR IMMEDIATE MINUTES OF OCTOBER 24.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
OPPOSED? THERE MINUTES ARE ADOPTED.
[V. Public Presentations]
NEXT PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS.PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS ARE LIMITED TO ISSUES THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED ON THE MEETING AGENDA.
IT'S INTENDED AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO GIVE INPUT ON RELATIVE PLANNING ISSUES, NOT INTENDED AS A QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD.
SO IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE NOT ADDRESSING TONIGHT AND YOU WISH TO SPEAK ABOUT IT, OUR STANDARD RULES AND CONDITIONS OF THREE MINUTES WILL APPLY.
SO COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE.
JUSTIN WALDMAN, CAN YOU, UH, VERIFY THE RULES? SO IF, UH, IF THE SHOOTING RANGE IS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT, TECHNICALLY I'LL BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK ABOUT IT.
I THINK THE LANGUAGE ON THE AGENDA IS A LITTLE, AND, UH, THE INTENT IS NOT TO ALLOW PEOPLE, TWO OPPORTUNITIES TO SPEAK ON THE SAME THING.
SO IT'S MY RECOMMENDATION THAT EVEN THOUGH THE SHOOTING RANGE IS ON THE AGENDA, THERE'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE AGENDA AND THAT PEOPLE BE ALLOWED TO.
STILL A LITTLE AMBIGUOUS, BUT I'LL TAKE IT.
DO I HAVE TO INTRODUCE MYSELF? SAY WHERE I'M FROM? YEP.
JUSTIN WALDMAN, UH, RESIDENT OF BENTONVILLE.
WE NEED YOUR PHYSICAL ADDRESS ALSO.
THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AGAIN.
UM, SO, UH, I'M A CHILDHOOD THERAPIST.
I HOLD VIRGINIA STATE MEDICAL LICENSE, MY PRACTICE AND MY HOME OFFICE WHERE I'M CURRENTLY RUNNING, UH, ONE-ON-ONE SESSIONS WITH PATIENTS AND PARENTS LIES 470 YARDS FROM THE PROPOSED BENTONVILLE SHOOTING SITE.
UH, TO SAY THE RANGE WOULD BE A DISTRACTION IS AN UNDERSTATEMENT.
UH, SHOULD THE BENTONVILLE SITE GET APPROVED, IT WOULD EFFECTIVELY END MY ABILITY TO PRACTICE AT MY LOCATION, UM, FOR THE COUNTY TO MAKE A DECISION LIKE THAT.
I'M LOOKING TO THEM TO EFFECTIVELY START FROM THE BEGINNING AND PROVE THAT THIS IS A NEED.
UM, YOU KNOW, SCHOOL SHOOTINGS WERE MENTIONED LAST NIGHT, UM, AT LAST NIGHT'S SESSION.
THAT'S EVERYONE'S WORST NIGHTMARE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, IT'S A STRONG TALKING POINT.
THE EMOTION THAT THAT BRINGS UP COULD CONVINCE A COUNTY OF 500 PEOPLE TO BUILD A SHOOTING RANGE, LET ALONE A COUNTY WITH 40,000 PEOPLE.
UM, BUT IS THERE ANY DATA SHOWING THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY A NEED? IS CRIME OR ACTIVE SHOOTER SITUATIONS QUICKLY RISING? UH, IS THERE ANY DATA TO SUPPORT THAT BETTER AIM WILL PREVENT ACTIVE SHOOTER SCENARIOS? UM, ARE OUR SHERIFFS ACTUALLY UNABLE TO GET PISTOL CERTIFIED RIGHT NOW? OR ARE THERE JUST CURRENT PARAMETERS THAT MAKE IT INCONVENIENT? RIGHT.
UM, WHILE WE'RE ON THIS TOPIC, I JUST MET THE THERAPIST EQUIVALENT OF, UH, MYSELF IN THE WARREN COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT.
UNLIKE AT MY PRIVATE COMPANY, THERE'S ONE OF HER IN THE ENTIRE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
IF WE REALLY CARE ABOUT SCHOOL SHOOTINGS, WE'RE GONNA MENTION IT IN THIS ISSUE, RIGHT? LET'S USE SOME DATA, RIGHT? YOU NEED THERAPISTS, YOU NEED PROGRESSIVE POLICE TRAINING POLICIES, UM, AND YOU NEED COLLABORATION WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
SO I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THAT THAT MENTIONING LAST NIGHT
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HAS REALLY ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS ISSUE.UM, IF THE COUNTY DOES ESTABLISH A NEED, WELL THEN THAT'S GREAT.
UM, A PLANNING COMMISSIONER LAST NIGHT, YOU KNOW, BRAVELY WENT ON RECORD STATING TWO THINGS.
ONE, THAT HE WOULD NOT STAND BEHIND THAT RANGE WALL ON THE BAGGER LEE'S PROPERTY, AND TWO, THAT THE ESA LANE SITE WOULD BE, IN FACT, CHEAPER.
THOSE ARE TWO REALLY STRONG THINGS TO THINK ABOUT.
UM, IF IT'S UNSAFE, UM, AND ESA LANE WOULD BE LESS STRAIN ON THE BUDGET.
IT'S PROBABLY A GOOD SERIOUS THING TO CONSIDER.
UM, NOT TO MENTION THAT THE BENTONVILLE SITE IS, OH, THAT WAS THREE MINUTES.
ALL RIGHT, JOHN SWENSON, I HEAR SO MANY TIMES THAT EVERYBODY'S STARTING TO FEEL LIKE FAMILY, INCLUDING Y'ALL.
JOHN SWENSON 2 0 8 GIMLET RIDGE ROAD, THIS DOCUMENT THAT WAS HANDED OUT LAST NIGHT PRETTY MUCH COVERS EVERY ASPECT, BOTH MONETARILY AND LEGALLY OF THE THINGS THAT MUST BE ADDRESSED AND PROBABLY FOLLOWED IN ORDER FOR THIS TO HAPPEN.
AND WITHOUT GETTING LAWYERS INVOLVED AND SUCH AS THAT, I WOULD HOPE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, THE TOWN ATTORNEYS WOULD GET TOGETHER, DECIDE HOW MUCH TIME YOU WANT TO SPEND, HOW MUCH ENERGY YOU WANT TO SPEND, HOW MUCH TAX DOLLARS YOU WANT TO SPEND IN ORDER TO PURSUE THIS POSSIBILITY OF BUILDING IN BENTONVILLE TO SEE IF IT'S EVEN FEASIBLE.
AND TO ME, THAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE TO DO THAT.
AND I DEFINITELY THOUGHT LAST NIGHT WAS VERY POSITIVE, HEARING, HEARING IT FINALLY BEING TALKED ABOUT OTHER OPTIONS, EXPLORING, UNLESS THERE'S JUST A MAJOR RUSH THAT THIS HAS TO BE DONE, TO ME, THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY TO GO.
AND AS ONE OF YOU MENTIONED AT THE END, IT'S A WAY TO MAKE EVERYONE COMFORTABLE, HAPPY, AND IT'S A GOOD TURNOUT THE WAY IT ENDS UP.
SO I THINK PURSUING THAT IS THE WAY TO GO.
AND I THINK THERE'S POSSIBILITY THAT EVEN IN THE FUTURE, SHERIFF KLEIN MIGHT SAY, BOY, THIS IS REALLY GOOD.
THIS IS MUCH BETTER THAT WE WENT THIS ROUTE.
MICHAEL MARKS 5 6 1 GIMLET RIDGE ROAD.
BENTONVILLE, I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS ONE SMALL ITEM THAT IS ACTUALLY RELATIVELY NEW TO THE DISCUSSION AND JUST MAKE SURE EVERYBODY WAS AWARE.
SO THE DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR IS ONE OF THE FEDERAL AGENCIES THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT CONTACTING THAT HAVE RELEVANT, UH, POSITIONS IN ON THIS.
AND I, I BELIEVE A LETTER, THEY, THEY ISSUED A STATEMENT SAYING THAT THE PARK SERVICE WAS IN OPPOSITION TO THIS LOCATION AS IS.
IT WOULD BE DISRUPTIVE TO THE PARK ENVIRONMENT.
OTHER OUTREACHES TO THE, UH, EPA AND OSHA ARE ALREADY PREPPED AND STANDING.
AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE AS A RESIDENT OF THIS COUNTY, I WANT US TO NOT, YOU KNOW, I WANT US TO USE OUR MONEY WISELY, NOT START PICKING FIGHTS THAT TURN OUT TO BE VERY EXPENSIVE.
AND IF THESE THINGS START ROLLING INTO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT COMING AND STICKING THEIR NOSE AND THINGS, THAT'S GONNA DRIVE THE COST UP IN WAYS THAT I THINK NOBODY IS CONSIDERED AS PART OF THIS.
BUT THAT IS AN INEVITABILITY IF THIS GOES FORWARD AS IT IS, EVERYBODY FEELS VERY STRONG ABOUT IT.
IT'S NOT A FIGHT ANYBODY WANTS TO HAVE, BUT IT IS ONE THAT'LL EXIST.
SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMITTEE WAS AWARE OF THE PARK SERVICE LETTER THAT WAS ISSUED AND THE POSITION THEY'VE TAKEN IN OPPOSITION TO THIS.
AND HOPE THAT WILL, PARTICULARLY IN THE LIGHT OF WHAT I'VE JUST, JUST LEARNED, IS THE POSSIBILITY OF ANOTHER LOCATION THAT I THINK IS A 107 ACRES COMPARED TO SEVEN AND IS NOT SITTING IN THE MIDDLE OF A RESIDENTIAL AREA NEXT TO A BUSINESS THAT I WOULD HOPE WOULD BE A FAR MORE PREFERABLE CHOICE AND WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO CONSIDER THAT.
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GOOD EVENING.JOHN JENKINS, 2 41 GIVEN BRIDGE ROAD, BENTONVILLE, VIRGINIA ISLAND.
FIVE MONTHS, WE'VE BEEN BACK AND FORTH.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE THE JURY OR IF YOU'RE THE PROSECUTOR.
UH, SO WE WILL, WE WILL MOVE ON FROM THAT.
I, I, I WANNA MAKE ONE STATEMENT FOR THE RECORD.
I DON'T COME IN HERE TO TRY TO MAKE ANY ENEMIES, AND I DON'T COME IN HERE TO TRY TO MAKE ANY FRIENDS.
I BASICALLY SHOW UP TO STATE MY POSITION ON THINGS THAT AFFECT MY WELLBEING, WELFARE, WHERE I LIVE.
UH, IF THAT OFFENDS SOMEONE, UH, THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE FOR ME.
YOU GOT TO GROW UP AND ACCEPT THE FACT OF WHAT'S GOING ON.
THAT'S ALL I COULD SAY ON THAT MATTER.
UM, TAXES, I'M NOT GONNA SPEAK ABOUT THE RANGE RIGHT NOW.
I'M, I ALWAYS TALK ABOUT TAXES TWO, UH, YESTERDAY I COME IN, PAID MY TAXES, HAD TO DEEP HEAD, DIG DEEP, BOTH POCKETS.
IT'S A RESPONSIBILITY LIVING IN THE UNITED STATES, THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED TO DO.
BUT THEN TWO WEEKS AGO I READ THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, I GUESS, APPROVED OR HAS APPROVED MAKING PAYMENTS TO A LOCAL BANK TO COVER THE EXPENSES FOR THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL AND EDA.
SO I SORT OF UNDERSTAND THE EDA, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE FRONT ROYAL.
YOU'RE TAKING WARREN COUNTY TAXPAYERS MONEY MAKING PAYMENTS TO THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL TO COVER LOANS FOR SIX YEARS.
MY TAX DOLLARS, YOUR TAX DOLLARS, BECAUSE YOU LIVE IN THE COUNTY.
AND THE PEOPLE BEHIND ME, UH, I, I'M A LITTLE UPSET WITH THAT.
I GO BACK AND I LOOK AT THE BUDGET TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT, AND I HAVE ALL THE TIME DOING THAT.
BUT THE COUNTY IS IN DEBT FOR $131 MILLION AND IT'S TAKEN ABOUT $12 MILLION A YEAR TO PAY THAT DEBT DOWN.
AND, AND, UH, WITH THE INTEREST AND THE PRINCIPAL.
SO WHEN YOU DEFAULT ON A BANK LOAN AND YOU HAVE A DEBT OF $131 MILLION AND YOU WANT TO TRY THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, WHERE YOU GONNA GET THE MONEY FROM? I'M NOT A BANKER.
I'M IN CONSTRUCTION, BUT I WOULDN'T LOAN YOU NOTHING, ESPECIALLY WITH THE DEBT, THE AMOUNT OF THE DEBT, AND THE FACT THAT YOU DEFAULTED ON TWO LOANS.
SO A LOT OF THAT CONCERNS YOU.
I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU HAVEN'T APPLIED FOR A GRANT TO GET WHAT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT NEEDS.
I KNOW YOU GOT A GRANT LAST YEAR OR EARLIER THIS YEAR FOR A BOAT RAMP OR SOMETHING IN BENTONVILLE PLACE.
THE ONLY THING YOU CAN DO IS PUT IN A FLAT, A FLAT BOAT, A CANOE OR RAFT OR HIT OR TUBE.
YOU KNOW, RECENTLY I HEARD THAT YOU GOT A 400 OR A $4 MILLION GRANT FOR A COUPLE BASEBALL FIELDS.
WHAT'S THE PRIORITY? THE BASEBALL FIELD OR A, A QUALIFIED SHOOTING RANGE.
I DON'T THINK I CAN ADD TO THAT, SIR.
IS THIS COMMISSION DOES NOT SET TAX RATES AND WE CAN'T NO QUESTION AND ANSWER, SIR.
I'M ABOUT, UH, UH, JUST OVER A MILE AS THE CROW FLIES.
THE CROW FLIES FROM THE SHOOTING RANGE, UH, SITE.
UM, EACH MORNING OVER THE LAST LONG, UH, WEEKEND, UH, AS WE OFTEN DO, MY WIFE AND I SAT ON THE DECK WITH COFFEE, ENJOYING THE DAYBREAK AND THE SYLVAN CHARACTER OF OUR COMMUNITY.
THEN AT SEVEN O'CLOCK SHARP, THE DAILY CONSTANT CLANGING AND BANGING OF DUMPSTERS AND CONTAINERS, AND THE BACKUP BEEPERS AT THE TRANSFER STATION SHATTERS THE EQUANIMITY AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, INCLUDING ITS WILDLIFE WITH FALL AND THE LOSS OF FOLIAGE.
THESE SOUNDS ARE MUCH LOUDER AND TRAVELING MUCH FURTHER ENHANCED BY THE MEGAPHONE CHARACTER OF GIMLET RIDGE IN MATTHEW'S ARM.
THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT A SHOOTING RANGE.
THIS IS ABOUT A SHOOTING RANGE AND A TRANSFER STATION, A DOUBLE WHAMMY TOGETHER ADDING AN UNACCEPTABLE HIGHER LEVEL OF SOUND POLLUTION.
WE LIVE HERE FOR THE SAME REASONS THAT THE SHENANDOAH PARK DOES AND FEEL DUE TO ITS PROXIMITY.
WE SHOULD ENJOY THE PROTECTION PROVIDED BY THE WARREN COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
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THE SHENANDOAH NATIONAL PARK OCCUPIED A LARGE PORTION OF THAT CIRCLE THAT WAS DRAWN IN THE BEGINNING TO ANALYZE THE SOUND AND WAS GIVEN, UH, THE PARK WAS GIVEN ZERO, WHAT APPEARS TO BE ZERO CONSIDERATION.THE PARK ARGUABLY THE COUNTY'S MOST IMPORTANT NEIGHBOR, ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE, AND ONE OF THE MOST ICONICALLY BEAUTIFUL PLACES IN THE WORLD.
ADDITIONALLY, WITH A TRANSFER STATION, WE HAVE ALREADY MET OUR CIVIC OBLIGATION TO THE COUNTY ENDURING SOUND TRUCK, TRAFFIC, TRAFFIC ON THE ROAD, ET CETERA.
SPREAD THIS OBLIGATION FAIRLY AS YOUR DUTY, AS YOUR DUTY REQUIRES, FIND A BETTER LOCATION FOR THIS SHOOTING RANGE.
IT'S, UH, IT'S BRAMAN DAVID BRAMAN, UH, 9 38 SHANGRILA ROAD.
UM, THANK YOU ALL FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AGAIN TONIGHT.
UM, I ALSO AM SPEAKING ABOUT, UH, LAST NIGHT'S MEETING.
UM, AND FROM A POINT OF GRATITUDE, I WANT TO THANK EACH OF YOU AND I'LL, I'LL READ AN, AN EMAIL THAT I WROTE TO MR. COURAGES EARLIER TODAY.
UM, THANK YOU FOR PRESENTING AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE CONVERSATION LAST NIGHT.
UM, THE LONG VIEW, UH, FOR THE, FOR THIS IS REGARDING THE SHERIFF'S, UH, PROPOSED, UH, UH, TRAINING RANGE.
UM, IT WAS A VITAL AND NOTABLE PIECE OF A BROADENED DISCUSSION, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT YOU ALL ARE OPENING THE DISCUSSION TO, TO A BROADER PROCESS.
THE MENTION OF AN INDEPENDENT STUDY LAST NIGHT, UH, WAS GENUINELY ENCOUR, GENUINELY ENCOURAGING, BUT IT DID LEAVE SOME CONCERN ON THE TABLE AS IT DID FEEL LIKE THE, THE CONVERSATION WENT FROM A VERY BROAD, UH, STUDY TO POSSIBLY MAKING IT MORE NARROW.
THAT, THAT IT COULD WIND UP JUST COMPARING TWO SITES OR ONE CRITERIA, WHICH MY CRITERION, WHICH WOULD BE JUST THE, THE NOISE AT THE ADJACENT HOUSES.
BUT I DO FEEL, I'M GONNA GO OFF MY EMAIL HERE A BIT.
UM, IT IS IMPORTANT AS A, I THINK I BROUGHT OUT TO EACH OF YOU BEFORE, I, I HOPE THAT PART OF THE CONSIDERATION OF THIS VERY IMPORTANT AND LONG-TERM INVESTMENT FOR THE SHERIFF, FOR THE PROTECTION OF THE COMMUNITY, FOR THE RESPONSIBLE OVERSIGHT OF THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY, THAT IT, THAT A STUDY WOULD INCLUDE THE FISCAL RESPONSIBILITIES THAT ARE INVOLVED, THE FISCAL UNDERTAKINGS THAT WOULD BE INVOLVED, AND TO, TO TAKE ON A GOOD COMPARATIVE APPROACH.
I KNOW THAT'S A LOT MORE OF YOUR TIME.
I, I THANK YOU THAT YOU'RE TAKING, YOU, YOU'RE OPENING YOURSELVES UP TO TAKING ON A MUCH LONGER PROCESS.
UM, THERE ARE SOME AMONG THE COMMUNITY, I'M ONE OF THEM WHO IS WILLING TO PARTICIPATE IN, UM, IN ANY WAY THAT I CAN TO HELP YOU SECURE MONIES THAT WOULD HELP SUPPORT GETTING THE BEST SOLUTION IN PLACE FOR THE COUNTY.
BECAUSE THIS IS A VITAL FUNCTION.
HAVING, OBVIOUSLY HAVING A, A VERY WELL PREPARED, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT DIVISION IS CRITICAL.
UM, BUT I, AND I REALIZE THERE'S A LOT FOR YOU ALL TO BALANCE BETWEEN THE OTHER ASPECTS OF THE WELLBEING OF THE COMMUNITY ALONGSIDE WITH THAT.
UM, LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO WORK WITH YOU ALL.
IS THERE ANYONE THAT DID NOT SIGN THE LIST THAT WISH TO SPEAK? HI, I AM DIANE POPIK.
I'M AT 7 4 3 JENNINGS LANE IN BENTONVILLE.
AND I, UM, HAVE SPOKEN BEFORE, BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP IS THAT, UM, THERE IS A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE WHO LIVES ON SHANGRILA, UH, JUST A COUPLE HUNDRED YARDS AWAY FROM WHERE THIS, UM, GUN RANGE IS GONNA BE.
AND SHE HAS A, UM, DISABLED CHILD WHO HAS SEIZURES THAT ARE TRIGGERED BY LOUD NOISES, AND JUST EVEN ONE OR TWO GUNSHOTS ARE ENOUGH BECAUSE IT'S SO CLOSE THAT THIS CHILD COULD HAVE SEIZURES.
AND IT'S A, IT'S A MEDICAL EMERGENCY.
UM, AND I FEEL LIKE YOU ALL ALREADY KNOW THAT.
I KNOW THAT SHE'S WRITTEN, I'VE ASKED HER TO SEND ANOTHER LETTER IN, AND IT SHOULD BE IN THERE.
I DIDN'T SEE IN THE AGENDA DOCUMENTS, BUT I WANT IT TO BE ON PUBLIC RECORD.
BUT THIS IS THE CASE, AND IF YOU LOOK THROUGH YOUR RECORDS, YOU SHOULD SEE HER LETTER.
I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO LATER SAY THEY'VE NEVER HEARD OF THIS, THAT A CHILD WHO HAS SEIZURES TRIGGERED BY LOUD NOISES IS GONNA LIVE A COUPLE HUNDRED YARDS AWAY FROM THIS FIRING RANGE.
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ALRIGHT? EVERYBODY NEEDS TO KNOW IT.WE ALL NEED TO KNOW, I WANT YOU ALL TO KNOW WHAT YOU VOTE ON.
AND IF YOU CAN, IF YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD AND PUT IN VILLE THAT YOU ALL KNOW THAT, AND THAT WE ALL KNOW THAT YOU KNOW THAT IT'S IMPORTANT.
PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS IS CLOSED
[VI.A. 2024 Warren County Comprehensive Plan - Review of Draft of Comprehensive Plan for 2024 and public hearing to be held for Planning Commission public comments. - Matt Wendling, Planning Director]
NOW.MOVE ON TO OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS.
FIRST ONE, WARREN COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
REVIEW OF THE DRAFT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR 2024 AND PUBLIC HEARING BE HELD BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION COM.
COMMENTS, MR. WEDLEY? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
UM, I'D JUST LIKE TO THANK BOTH THE PLANNING COMMISSION BOARD AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY WHO CAME OUT YESTERDAY FOR OUR, UH, COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND FOR THE JOINT WORK SESSION.
UH, WE HAD SOME, UH, VERY GOOD DIALOGUE ABOUT, UH, THE ROLLOUT FOR OUR 2024 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, TONIGHT'S MEETING IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE PLAN.
UM, AND WE DO PLAN ON TAKING DOWN NOTES FOR COMMENTS THAT ARE BEING, UH, ADDRESSED ON THE PLAN AND BOTH BY, UH, CITIZENS AND BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, PLAN IS A FUTURE FOR WARREN COUNTY, YOUR HOMES, AND, UH, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT DOCUMENT BECAUSE IT GUIDES THE PLANNING, COMMISSION AND BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND THE DECISIONS ON LAND USE IN THE COUNTY.
UM, WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, UH, WE HAVE A PUBLIC PRESENTATION AND I'D LIKE TO THANK BOTH, UH, OUR PLANNER, KELLY WALL AND OUR CLERK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UH, ALLISON MUTTER FOR THE VERY DILIGENT WORK THEY'VE DONE IN CREATING THIS DOCUMENT.
UH, IT'S, UH, BEEN GOING ON FOR QUITE SOME TIME NOW, AND, UH, THERE WAS A LOT OF WORK IN PUTTING TOGETHER THE, UM, THE FORMATTING, THE CONTENT, AND, UH, A LOT OF THE CHARTS AND GRAPHS AND PICTURES.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO THANK OUR, UH, ZONING, UH, OFFICER AND SOME OF THE INPUT, UH, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, MR. LENS, AND, UH, ALSO CORY GRIFFITH, OUR GIS COORDINATOR WHO, UH, CREATED THE MAPS.
UM, WHAT YOU'LL SEE ONLINE IS NOT THE FULL DOCUMENT.
WE LEFT A LOT OF THE APPENDICES OUT OF IT JUST BECAUSE OF THE SIZE IT WOULD'VE CREATED FOR THE DOCUMENT.
UM, THAT DOCUMENT IS AVAILABLE ONLINE, UH, VIA THE COUNTY WEBSITE FOR VIEWING.
AND THEN WE'LL ALSO HAVE, UH, UH, DOCUMENTS AVAILABLE AT OUR OFFICE, UH, ONCE THEY'VE ALL BEEN COMPLETED.
SO, UH, WITH THAT, I'LL, UH, ASK, UH, MS. WALL TO, UH, DO HER, UH, PRESENTATION ON THIS, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR ALL THE INPUT YOU'VE PROVIDED TO US.
I KNOW YOU GUYS HAD TO SIT THROUGH THIS YESTERDAY, BUT WE'LL RECAP.
UM, SO WHAT IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS A LONG TERM DOCUMENT THAT OUTLINES A COMMUNITY'S VISION AND GOALS FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
THEY ARE DESIGNED TO PLAN FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS AND PROVIDE AN OUTLINE FOR ADDRESSING THE COUNTY'S MOST PRESSING ISSUES BY STATING POLICIES, GOALS, AND IMPLEMENTATION STEPS.
WHY HAVE A PLAN? WELL, FIRST AND FOREMOST, THE STATE REQUIRES IT.
UM, SECONDLY, IT IS A GUIDE FOR OUR FUTURE.
UH, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO PRESERVE RURAL AND HISTORIC CHARACTER WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY.
IT, IT INVOLVES, IT GETS THE COMMUNITY INVOLVED.
A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ENGAGES RESIDENTS IN PLANNING FOR WARREN COUNTY'S FUTURE, AND IT LEADS TO A CLEAR DIRECTION FOR THE COUNTY.
WE CREATED A TIMELINE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN 2018.
UM, IT IS SUGGESTED BY THE STATE THAT YOU REVIEW THE COMP COMPREHENSIVE PLAN EVERY FIVE YEARS.
UH, STAFF DID TRY TO BEGIN THAT IN 2018, UH, BUT THERE WERE A LOT OF UNFORESEENS MOVING FORWARD IN 2019.
THEY ADOPTED THE STRATEGIC VISION MOVING FORWARD INTO 2020.
THERE WERE SOME SETBACKS DUE TO COVID-19 2021 TO 2022.
THERE WERE PLANNING STAFF CHANGES, NEW PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS, NEW BOARD OF SUPERVISOR MEMBERS, AND A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SCHEDULE WAS OUTLINED IN 2023.
PLANNING STAFF BEGAN WORK SESSIONS WITH PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS IN FALL OF 2024.
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UM, OUR INFRASTRUCTURE CHAPTER TO VDOT FOR FINAL APPROVAL.WE RECEIVED OUR LETTER OF APPROVAL FROM VDOT TODAY, SO WE DID GET THE LETTER OF APPROVAL, AND WE ARE GOOD TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PUTTING THAT INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THEY WERE VERY HAPPY WITH OUR INFRASTRUCTURE CHAPTER, UM, AND ULTIMATELY, UH, FINALIZING ALL OF THE UPDATES WITH THE COMMUNITY IN, UH, OUTREACH, THE JOINT WORK SESSION YESTERDAY EVENING.
AND WE HOPE TO HAVE THIS PLAN ADOPTED BY THE BEGINNING OF 2025.
THIS IS NOT A COMPLETE REWRITE, THIS IS JUST AN UPDATE TO THE ADOPTED VERSION OF THE 2013 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE DATA THROUGHOUT HAS BEEN UPDATED TO REFLECT THE MOST RECENT PUBLISHED STATISTICS, AND MUCH OF THE 2013 PLAN IS STILL INCORPORATED INTO THIS VERSION OF THE PLAN.
UH, WE'RE GONNA BEGIN THERE WITH THE UPDATES BECAUSE THERE WERE NO UPDATES TO CHAPTER ONE.
OUR DATA RESOURCES FOR CHAPTER TWO CAME FROM THE AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY, A CS, UM, US CENSUS BUREAU, WELDON COOPER CENTER, AND THE VIRGINIA EMPLOYMENT COMMISSION.
THIS CHAPTER ANALYZED CURRENT POPULATION AND DEVELOPMENT TRENDS WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY TO, TO PREDICT THE FUTURE GROWTH TRENDS THROUGH POPULATION INCOME, HOUSING AND EMPLOYMENT.
BY 2030, THE POPULATION OF WARREN COUNTY IS EXPECTED TO INCREASE FROM 40,727 TO 43,250.
AND AS OF 2020, WHICH WAS THE MOST RECENTLY PUBLISHED DATA, THE MEDIAN ANNUAL HOUSING INCOME IS 70,109.
CHAPTER THREE IS OUR NATURAL RESOURCES SECTION.
IN THIS, WE OUTLINED HOW OUR COMMUNITY WILL PROTECT ITS NATURAL RESOURCES AND ENSURE THAT GROWTH OCCURS IN HARMONY WITH THE LAND'S ABILITY TO SUSTAIN DEVELOPMENT.
AND MATT, AS OUR FLOODPLAIN MANAGER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE UPDATES WITHIN THE FLOODPLAIN FOR THIS CHAPTER? SURE.
JUST BRIEFLY, UH, WITHIN THAT TIME PERIOD, UH, 2016, THE BOARD, UH, PASSED A RESOLUTION TO, UH, ALLOW AND ADOPT, UH, PARTICIPATION IN THE FEMA'S COMMUNITY RATING SYSTEM PROGRAM.
THAT'S A PROGRAM THAT'S BASED ON, UH, 10 CLASSES OF, UH, OF STATUS FOR THE PROGRAM.
AND YOU MUST MEET, MEET A NUMBER OF ELEMENTS, UH, TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT BY PARTICIPATING IN IT.
IT DOES, UH, ALLOW PROPERTY OWNERS WHO PAY FLOOD INSURANCE, UM, TO HAVE A DISCOUNT ON THEIR FLOOD INSURANCE BASED ON THE, UH, CLASS THAT YOU ARE, ARE IN.
UH, WE CURRENTLY ARE IN CLASS NINE.
UM, PART OF THAT WAS A REWRITE, UH, OF OUR ORDINANCE FOR A FLOOD PLAIN OVERLAY DISTRICT, UH, RELATING TO SOME OF THE HIGHER STANDARDS THAT WE IMPLEMENTED IN ORDER TO, UM, GET INTO, UH, THE CRS AND, AND QUALIFY FOR THAT.
UM, WE CONTINUE TO, UH, WORK AND STRIVE ON, UH, UH, PARTICIPATING IN THAT.
AND WE HOPE AT SOME POINT IN TIME TO, UH, BECOME A CLASS EIGHT WITH, UH, FURTHER EDUCATION OF THE PUBLIC AND, AND, UH, UH, PROCESSES AND PROCEDURES THAT WE, WE DO TO, UH, UH, MANAGE OUR FLOODPLAINS CHAPTER FOUR, UH, LAND USE CHAPTER.
UM, AND BEFORE WE ADD TO ANY DISCUSSION MEMBERS, UM, WOULD YOU ALLOW ME TO GET THROUGH SPOT AND THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH ANY DISCUSSION? UM, SO WE EXPLORED A DOCUMENT ORDINANCE TO ALLOW ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS IN AGRICULTURAL AND RURAL RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT ONLY FOR LONG TERM HOUSING NEEDS.
WE IDENTIFIED URBAN DEVELOPMENT AREAS WITHIN THE TOWN OF FRONT LIMITS.
THIS HAS CARRIED OVER FROM 2013, WORKING IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE TOWN.
UM, THEY'RE WELL AWARE AND WE EXPLORED AGRICOR TO HELP OUR COMMUNITY PROMOTE THEIR AGRI AGRICULTURAL SECTORS TO STRENGTHEN FARMING AND ENCOURAGE CONSERVATION.
WE INCLUDED THE ROCK COMMUNITY VISION PROJECT TO SUPPORT AND PROMOTE CONSERVATION, AS WELL AS BROWNTOWN COMMUNITY DIVISION TO PROTECT ITS RURAL CHARACTER AND ENSURE PRESERVATION.
WE ALSO INCLUDED A NEW LAND USE MAP, NEW PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE MAP FOR THE CORRIDOR, AND IDENTIFIED ALL OF THE VACANT ALL RESIDENTIAL LOCKS WITH THE POTENTIAL OF HOUSING AFFORDABILITY.
CHAPTER FIVE IS OUR COMMUNITY CHAPTER.
THE UPDATES IN THIS CHAPTER WERE TO, UM, POSSIBLY LOOK INTO ADOPTING HISTORIC PRESERVATION PLAN TO PUT IN SAFEGUARDS FOR HISTORIC HERITAGE AND ARCHEOLOGICAL RESOURCES.
ADDITION OF NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS THAT ASSIST OUR CITIZENS WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY.
THE SCHOOL BOARD UPDATED THEIR COMPREHENSIVE LONG RANGE PLAN, LAW ENFORCEMENT SERVICES, IDENTIFY RESULTS
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AND OBJECTIVES.FIRE AND RESCUE IDENTIFIED THEIR TOP PRIORITIES AND MORGAN COUNTY PARK AND REC UPDATED THEIR MASTER FACILITY PLAN FOR IMPROVEMENT TO, IN ADDITION OF THE CHAPTER SIX IS OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
THE ENTIRE CHAPTER WAS UPDATED.
UM, THIS IS OUR DATA CHAPTER, SO OUR LABOR FORCE STATISTICS, EMPLOYMENT RATE, OCCUPATION, RETIREES, UNEMPLOYMENT, LABOR POOL, WORK SOURCE ANALYSIS, UH, BUSINESS LICENSE, RETAIL TAXES, COMMUNITY INCOME WAGE, ALL UPDATED HERE FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES.
LAST BUT NOT LEAST, CHAPTER SEVEN, OUR INFRASTRUCTURE CHAPTER.
WE UPDATED DATA ON OUR TRAFFIC VOLUME IDENTIFIED INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS FOR WARREN COUNTY.
WE GOT SIX YEAR IMPROVEMENT PLAN, UM, AS WELL AS SMART SCALE AND STAR STUDY RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE HAVE A, UM, SECTION ON PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS TO THE CORRIDOR, UH, TRANSPORTATION PLAN, UPDATES TO HIKING, BIKING, AND RAIL TRAIL INITIATIVE, THE ADDITION OF BROADBAND INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND AFTER YESTERDAY'S COMMUNITY OUTREACH, WE WERE MADE AWARE THAT IN ADDITION OF CELLULAR WOULD ALSO BE A GREAT ADDITION TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO WE'RE WORKING ON TERM LANGUAGE AS CELLULAR AS WELL.
WE, UM, ALSO INCLUDED AN INFRASTRUCTURE, A RIDE SHARING PARK AND RIDE LOT SERVICE, TRANSIT SERVICE AVIATION, AND INLAND WATER SERVICES SERVICES.
AND STORM WATER MANAGEMENT REMAIN VERY MUCH THE SAME AS IN THE 20, BUT WE'LL BE LOOKING ON THE NEW MAP THAT WERE ADDED TO CHAPTER SEVEN, FIVE MAPS IN OUR INFRASTRUCTURE CHAPTER TO 14 IN TOTAL.
UH, CORY GRIFFITH, OUR GIS COORDINATOR, WORKED TIRELESSLY ON DEVELOPING THE BEST POSSIBLE MAPS, AND HE PUT OUT SOME REALLY BEAUTIFUL MAPS.
THEY INCLUDE OUR D ROAD CONDITION IMPROVEMENT, YEAR IMPROVEMENT PLAN, THE CORRIDOR TRANSPORTATION PLAN, SANITARY DISTRICT, SHE FARM V ROAD, AIRPORT OVERVIEWS, UM, THE BIKE HEAD TRAIL, SMART SCALE APPLICATIONS, AND STAR STUDY.
OUR LAST CHAPTER IS OUR IMPLEMENTATIONS CHAPTER.
THIS WAS UPDATED TO REFLECT ALL OF THE IMPLEMENTATION CHANGES FROM CHAPTER THREE THROUGH SEVEN.
UM, IF YOU'D LIKE, WE CAN GO THROUGH THE PROPOSED CORRIDOR CHANGES THAT WE DISCUSSED LAST NIGHT PRIOR TO DISCUSSION AND OPENING OF A PUBLIC HEARING, IF YOU WOULD.
SO IF WE COULD GO THROUGH THAT'S, UM, WE'LL ALSO DISCUSS THE, UM, LET'S GO BACK THAT ONE.
WE'LL JUST, UH, DO THE VACANT.
UM, SO WE WERE, UH, REQUESTED BY, UH, BOARD MEMBER DR.
JAMISON TO LOOK INTO, UM, WHY WE AREN'T DEVELOPING SOME OF THESE R ONE LOTS THAT HAVE BEEN PLATTED.
AND AGAIN, THESE WERE PLATTED PROBABLY BACK IN THE 1960S, I THINK IT IS, UH, IN THE SHENDO FARMS, UH, AREA.
AND, UM, HOW WE COULD POTENTIALLY OPEN UP THE COUNTY FOR ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT FOR, I DARE I SAY, AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITHIN THAT COMMUNITY.
SO, UM, STAFF SAT DOWN AND WE WORKED WITH OUR GI S COORDINATOR, CORY, AND HE PUT TOGETHER SOME MAPS BASED ON, UM, UH, WHAT YOU SEE HERE AS VACANT LOTS IN THE SHENDO FARMS, UH, AREA.
AND THESE WOULD BE ZONED R ONE, CURRENTLY ZONED R ONE.
AND IT KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF POTENTIALLY WHY THEY HAVEN'T BEEN DEVELOPED.
AND, UH, THERE'S A NUMBER OF THE LOTS THAT ARE IN THE FLOODPLAIN THAT ARE PROHIBITED FROM BEING DEVELOPED.
UM, BUT THEY, THEY CAN BE USED FOR RECREATIONAL LOTS.
AND THEN THERE ARE A NUMBER IN THE STEEP SLOPE AREAS OF THE COUNTY, UM, WHERE THERE IS NOT A ROAD IN PLACE, BUT THERE IS A PLATTED ROAD.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF A VISUAL TO, YOU KNOW, WHY THESE AREAS HAVEN'T BEEN DEVELOPED.
UH, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED AND WERE DISCUSSED LAST NIGHT WERE, UM, THE REQUIREMENT FOR PUTTING IN STATE ROADS OR ROADS BUILT TO STATE STANDARDS, WHICH, UH, CAN BE VERY COST PROHIBITIVE TO A DEVELOPER.
UM, THE SETBACKS, UH, FOR THE, THE CONSTRUCTION, THERE'S A REQUIRED 50 FOOT SETBACK.
UM, THERE'S A POTENTIAL IF YOU, UH, MINIMIZED OR,
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OR DECREASED THAT THAT WOULD MAKE THE LOT A LITTLE BIT BETTER TO BE BUILT ON.AND THEN ALSO, UM, WELL IN SEPTIC SETBACKS, UH, ALL OF THIS AREA IS SERVED BY PRIVATE, WELL IN SEPTIC.
SO THOSE, UM, UH, ITEMS AND WOULD HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED AND WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE STANDARDS THAT ARE IN PLACE TO SEE IF THAT COULD BE CHANGED OR IMPROVED OR, UH, WAIVED IN CERTAIN, UH, CASES IN ORDER TO, TO GET THAT CONSTRUCTION DONE.
SO, UM, THAT'S JUST ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE HOUSING.
UH, WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS A CURRENT, UH, COMPREHENSIVE, UH, PLAN, FUTURE LAND USE MAP THAT WAS ADOPTED IN 2013.
THE, THE BLUE IN THE CENTER IS A HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT.
SO THOSE ARE, THAT'S A, A CODE SECTION THAT REQUIRES CERTAIN STANDARDS TO BUILD BE BUILT WITHIN THAT AREA.
I THINK IT'S A THOUSAND FEET IN WIDTH.
UM, UH, THE PURPLE YOU SEE IS INDUSTRIAL, UH, AND TO THE NORTH, UH, WEST IS A 440 ACRE PROPERTY THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE A, UH, REZONING FOR FROM, UM, AGRICULTURAL TO INDUSTRIAL.
AND THERE'S A SMALL PROPERTY THAT ABUTS, UH, WINCHESTER ROAD THAT IS A, UH, IS REQUESTED TO BE, UH, REZONED TO COMMERCIAL, AND THAT WOULD PROVIDE ACCESS TO THOSE, UH, LOTS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF CROOKED RUN.
UM, THE ROAD YOU SEE IS COMMERCIAL.
THE YELLOW IS RESIDENTIAL ONE, AND THE KIND OF ORANGES COLOR IS OUR, UH, SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL BLUE RIDGE SHADOWS, UH, SUBDIVISION, HIGHER DENSITY SUBDIVISION 224, UH, LOTS, UH, UH, HOUSES THERE, HIGHER DENSITY HOUSING.
AND THEN THE BALANCE OF WHAT YOU SEE IS, IS AGRICULTURALLY ZONED.
SO, UH, WE'VE GOT A OPTION ONE HERE IS A PROPOSAL, UH, WHICH WAS PRESENTED AND WHICH WAS, WHICH HAS BEEN ADVERTISED FOR THIS PUBLIC HEARING TO MODIFY SOME OF THE, UM, AREAS OF, TO THE WEST OF, UH, CROOKED RUN, WHICH IS, UH, A FLOOD PLAN AREA.
UM, THERE'S A BUFFER JUST ADJACENT TO IT THAT WE HAD PUT IN, AND THERE'S SOME VERY STEEP SLOPE TOPOGRAPHY THERE THAT WOULD PRECLUDE DEVELOPMENT IN THAT SPECIFIC AREA AND REQUIRE A BRIDGE, UH, THAT COULD BE SOMEWHAT CROSS PROHIBITIVE, UM, TO BE ABLE TO HAVE TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO THAT INDUSTRIAL AREA.
SO WE CONSIDERED PROPOSING THAT AS RURAL RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS A VERY SIMILAR TO AGRICULTURAL TWO ACRE LOTT SIZE, BUT WITH A FIVE ACRE DENSITY REQUIREMENT FOR HOUSING, WHICH, UH, WOULD REQUIRE SOME OPEN SPACE TO BE SET ASIDE, WHICH IS, UH, WHAT THE, UH, FLOOD PLAIN AND STEEP SLOPE AREAS AND, AND, UH, DEEP STEEP, UH, SWALE AREAS COULD BE IDENTIFIED FOR.
UM, THE ADDITION OF THAT PROPERTY THAT, THAT IS UNDER THAT CURRENT REZONING WOULD BE LEFT, UH, TO EITHER BE INDUSTRIAL OR COMMERCIAL, AND THAT WOULD BE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO WINCHESTER ROAD AND PROVIDE, UM, ACCESS, UH, DIRECTLY OFF OF WINCHESTER ROAD.
AND THE PIECES THAT YOU SEE IN RED ARE CURRENTLY ZONED AGRICULTURAL, BUT THEY WOULD, UH, WE ARE PROPOSING AND, UH, THAT THEY BE REZONED OR FUTURE LAND USE FOR A COMMERCIAL.
IF YOU LOOK TO THE LOWER LEFT OF A, UH, SITE THERE, UM, THAT THERE ARE TWO RED PARCELS.
UM, THOSE ARE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO A CURRENTLY ZONED PARCEL THAT IS COMMERCIAL, UM, WHICH ABUTS BOTH CROOKED RUN AND, UH, I 66.
AND THE DEVELOPER WHO OWNS THOSE, UM, WAS IDENTIFYING THOSE OTHER LOTS WHICH HE OWNS, UH, AS POTENTIAL FOR COMMERCIAL.
UM, FOR, UH, A FUTURE LAND USE TO BE DETERMINED, POSSIBLY, UH, OFFICE CENTER, UH, THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED.
UH, EITHER HAVE A BRIDGE, UH, PROVIDE ACCESS FOR, UH, ACCESS FROM RI NARROW HOLLOW ROAD, WHICH IS OFF OF, UH, RELIANCE ROAD.
SO THERE WOULD BE SOME V OUT IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD ABSOLUTELY BE REQUIRED FOR THAT.
UM, AND THEN TO THE VERY NORTH, UM, YOU SEE THE PURPLE BLOCK IN THE NORTHEAST, UH, SECTION OF THE MAP.
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AS A TRADE OFF FROM THE OTHER ACREAGE, UM, THAT WAS FUTURE LAND USE FOR INDUSTRIAL TO, UM, UH, DO THAT FOR FUTURE LAND USE.IT'S 150 ACRE PARCEL TO FUTURE LAND USE TO INDUSTRIAL THAT HAS DIRECT ACCESS TO WINCHESTER ROAD.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S A LOT JUST ACROSS WINCHESTER ROAD THAT IS, UH, CURRENTLY AGRICULTURAL, AND THAT WOULD BE, UH, COMMERCIAL ACT, UH, COMMERCIALLY REZONED, UH, OR FUTURE LAND USE FOR A COMMERCIAL.
UM, BOTH OF THOSE LOTS ARE OUTSIDE OF THE, UH, UH, DISTRICT FOR PUBLIC SEW WATER THAT, UH, THE TOWN, UM, HOLDS THE, BASICALLY THE RIGHTS TO.
AND WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM TO PROVIDE IT WITHIN THE, THE, THE CORRIDOR.
UM, BUT THAT, UH, DISTRICT CURRENTLY ENDS AT FAIRGROUND ROAD, SO WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK WITH THE TOWN TO GET THEM TO ACCEPT THOSE PARCELS INTO THE, UH, UH, THE FLOOD, THE, UM, UH, SEWER WATER DISTRICT, UH, PUBLIC SEWER WATER DISTRICT WITH THE TOWN.
UM, AND THE BALANCE OF IT IS, UH, WE'VE, WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF, UH, UH, PURCHASES OF LAND THAT, UH, FOR INDUSTRIAL USES THAT WE HOPE TO SEE IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS, UH, BECOME DEVELOPED AND ADD TO THE TAX BASE TO THE COUNTY.
AND THAT IS THE BENEFIT, UH, OF THAT.
UM, AND THEN REGULATING, UM, THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT ITSELF THROUGH SITE PLAN REVIEWS, CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS, AND POTENTIALLY PROFFERS THAT WE COULD GET THROUGH REZONINGS FOR, UH, VARIOUS IMPROVEMENTS, UH, WHETHER IT BE, UH, UH, VDOT IMPROVEMENTS OR, UH, ALSO CASH PROPERTIES THAT POTENTIALLY CAN GO TO, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT AND, AND ANY OTHER, UH, UH, COMMUNITY FACILITIES THAT ARE BEING, UH, IMPACTED BY THE USE.
UM, SO AGAIN, THIS IS, UH, PROPOSED USE THAT WAS ADVERTISED.
UM, AND WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE AND I'LL KIND OF GO BACK.
UM, SO AFTER OUR DISCUSSION LAST NIGHT WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BOARD DURING OUR WORK SESSION, UM, WE WENT AHEAD, I ASKED OUR GIS COORDINATOR TO PUT THIS MAP TOGETHER.
NOW, THIS, UH, IS, WE'LL JUST CALL THIS OPTION TWO FOR THE CORRIDOR.
AND THIS IS ONE THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY PUT THE, UH, PROPERTIES THERE TO THE NORTHWEST BACK IN FUTURE LAND USE FOR INDUSTRIAL.
THERE WERE SOME ADJACENT PARCELS THAT THE APP THAT ANOTHER PROPERTY OWNER REQUESTED TO HAVE PUT IN RURAL RESIDENTIAL, SO WE DECIDED TO GO AHEAD AND KEEP THOSE THERE.
BUT THE BALANCE OF IT, EXCUSE ME, THE BALANCE OF THE MAP, UH, REST OF THE MAP IS, UH, THE SAME.
UM, AND THERE IS ONE PARCEL THAT I SEE HERE, UM, TO THE SOUTH.
IT IS A COUNTY OWNED PARCEL THAT YOU SEE AS INDUSTRIAL.
IT'S JUST ADJACENT TO THE INDUSTRIAL, THE, UH, EXCUSE ME, NATURAL GAS, UH, POWER PLANT.
AND THE, UH, AND THE GOLF COURSE, UH, THAT THE COUNTY OWNS THAT WE ARE PROPOSING AS INDUSTRIAL, IT CURRENTLY I THINK IS POOL ZONED AGRICULTURAL AND COMMERCIAL.
SO, UM, AGAIN, THESE ARE PROPOSED MAPS, UM, FOR DISCUSSION THIS EVENING.
AND, UM, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC, UM, YOU KNOW, ON THIS.
AND, UH, WE WILL SEE WHERE THIS, UH, P COMMISSION HEARING THE PUBLIC HEARING GOES, AND THEN WE WILL ADDRESS THESE AT A FUTURE TIME.
BUT I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE THE LAST, YEAH.
WITH THAT PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST? WE HAVE, WE HAVE A LIST.
I AM WITH THE ALLIANCE FOR THE SHENANDOAH VALLEY.
THE ADDRESS IS 9 3 86 SOUTH, UH, CONGRESS STREET IN NEW MARKET.
I'M THE PAGE AND WARREN COUNTY COORDINATOR FOR THE ALLIANCE.
WE'RE A NONPROFIT, UH, CONSERVATION ORGANIZATION, AND OUR VISION IS A SHENANDOAH VALLEY SUSTAINED BY FARMS AND FORESTS, CLEAN STREAMS AND RIVERS AND THRIVING COMMUNITIES.
THE UPDATED DRAFT OF THE WARREN COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS VERY WELL DONE.
CONGRATULATIONS TO STAFF AND THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS, UH, FOR ALL THE HARD WORK IN GETTING IT TO THIS FINAL DRAFT.
THE PLAN DOES A GOOD JOB OF UPHOLDING THE GOALS
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SHARED BY THE COMMUNITY, INCLUDING PROTECTING NATURAL RESOURCES AND VALUING RURAL AND HISTORICAL CHARACTER.WE PARTICULARLY APPRECIATE THE INCLUSION OF THE ROCKLAND AND BROWNTOWN COMMUNITY VISIONS INTO THE PLAN.
WE ALSO APPLAUD THE ADDITION OF ENCOURAGING AGRIBUSINESS AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF AN HISTORIC PRESERVATION PLAN TO MAKE A STRONG PLAN EVEN BETTER.
WE SUGGEST A SLIGHT ADJUSTMENT TO THE COMMUNITY GOAL OF PROTECTING OPEN SPACE AND RURAL CHARACTER BY CONSIDERING EDITS TO THE NEW LANGUAGE REGARDING THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS OR THE ADUS.
MANY COMMUNITY MEMBERS HAVE RAISED THE ISSUE OF A LACK OF HOUSING AND THE NEED FOR MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE COUNTY.
THE DRAFT COMP PLAN STATES, AND WE AGREE THAT NEW HOUSING SHOULD BE FOCUSED IN AND AROUND THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL.
THIS IS HOW WE WILL PRESERVE RURAL CHARACTER AND KEEP TAXES LOW.
INSTEAD, HOWEVER, THE PLAN SEEMS TO POINT TO ADUS AS A PREFERRED WAY TO CREATE MORE HOUSING.
WHILE THERE ARE BENEFITS TO ALLOWING ADUS, WE QUESTION WHETHER THEY ARE THE MOST CO MOST EFFECTIVE APPROACH TO ADDRESS THE NEED FOR MORE HOUSING.
AND WE ARE CONCERNED THAT WITHOUT PROPER GUARDRAILS IN PLACE, ADUS COULD BE MISUSED AND ULTIMATELY LEAD TO RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE RURAL AREAS, WHICH UNDERMINES THE SHARED GOALS OF PROTECTING OPEN SPACE AND AGRICULTURAL CHARACTER.
WE ENCOURAGE THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO REMOVE THE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE THAT ENCOURAGES ADUS AS A PREFERRED APPROACH TO ADDRESS HOUSING ISSUES.
AND ONCE THE COMP PLAN UPDATE IS COMPLETE, WE WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK TOGETHER ON ONE, A COMPREHENSIVE, COMPREHENSIVE LOOK AT APPROACHES TO EXPAND HOUSING OPTIONS, ESPECIALLY FOCUSING ON OPTIONS TO CREATE NEW HOUSING, NEAR EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND TWO, UH, THE ZONING ORDINANCE UPDATES.
THAT INCLUDES SPECIFIC GUIDELINES ON STEP ON SETBACKS, SQUARE FOOTAGE, MINIMUM, LOT SIZE, AND OTHER APPROPRIATE SPECIFICS TO THE ADUS.
UH, IN THE MEANTIME, MANY THANKS FOR A STRONG COMP PLAN THAT CAPTURES THE COMMUNITY'S COMMUNITY'S VISION TO PRESERVE OPEN SPACE, CLEAN WATER, HISTORICAL RESOURCES, AND RURAL CHARM.
ANDRE, CHRISTINE, ANDREA, 3, 6, 7 OVERALL ROAD, BENTONVILLE, VIRGINIA.
UM, MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE LIVED THERE FOR OVER 50 YEARS.
UM, I HAVE THE PLEASURE OF SERVING ON THE BOARD OF THE ALLIANCE FOR THE SHENANDOAH VALLEY, AND YOU JUST HEARD FROM OUR, UH, STAFF MEMBER CHRIS.
UM, I HAVE TWO COMMENTS ON THE, WELL, FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO CONGRATULATE THE CLEAR WRITING THAT WENT INTO THAT.
AS A FORMER ENGLISH TEACHER, I WOULD SAY THAT THAT IS A BIG PLUS.
IT DOESN'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, ANYWAY, IT'S, IT'S REALLY CLEAR AND THE GRAPHICS ARE VERY HELPFUL.
UM, I WAS REALLY, REALLY SURPRISED TO FIND HOW EASY IT WAS TO READ THROUGH THE WHOLE THING.
UM, I HAVE TWO COMMENTS, AND ONE IS AN ADDITION AND ONE IS A PROPOSED SUBTRACTION, THE SUBTRAC SUBTRACTION.
THE ADDITION IS THAT IN THE HISTORIC SECTION, UH, THE MILFORD BATTLEFIELD, WHICH IS BOTH IN PAGE AND, UH, WARREN COUNTY, UH, IS RIGHT DOWN THERE ON THE OVERALL CREEK DIVIDES.
IT IS ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER AND ON THE VIRGINIA LANDMARK REGISTER SINCE 19, I MEAN, SINCE, UH, 2004, SO THAT'S ABOUT FOUR, I'M SORRY, UH, 7,000 ACRES.
700 ACRES, AND MOST OF IT, THE MAJORITY OF IT IS UNDER, ALREADY UNDER CONSERVATION EASEMENT.
UM, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT MENTIONED IN THE, IN AS PART OF THE HISTORIC ASSETS, THE, THE SUBTRAC SUB PART, I'D LIKE TO SEE SUBTRACTED AS SOME OF THE WEEDS IN THE MENTION OF THE ACCESSIBLE DWELLING UNITS.
UM, I, I JUST READ THAT AND I FELT LIKE THERE WERE LOOPHOLES THERE THAT COULD ENCOURAGE, UM, DEVELOPMENT.
SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT REVISITED AND HAVE SOME OF THAT LANGUAGE TAKEN OUT AND PUT INTO A ZONING ORDINANCE INSTEAD OF HAVING IT IN THE BIG IDEA SECTION OF THE, UH, OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I, I, I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE, UM,
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FOR FARMERS AND PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO BUILD TENANT HOUSES AND, UM, HOUSES FOR FAMILY, BUT I THINK IT, IT REALLY COULD BE, UM, IT, IT COULD BE USED TO DEVELOP THE, THE AGRICULTURAL LAND RATHER THAN TO PRESERVE IT.ANDREA, YOUR HONOR, I THINK
HELLO, UM, I'M MARY RYAN LIVE AT 3 9 7 3 ROCKLEY ROAD.
I ATTENDED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REVIEW, UH, YESTERDAY.
WANTED TO THANK THE STAFF FOR PULLING THAT TOGETHER AND INVITING US, AND THANKS FOR WORKING ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IT'S A LOT OF WORK FROM THE MEETING.
I HAVE THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS.
DURING THE PRESENTATION, IT WAS MENTIONED WARREN COUNTY HAD NOT SEEN A, UM, A BIG INCREASE IN TRAFFIC.
I LIVE IN NORTH WARREN, AND I HAVE SEEN A BIG INCREASE IN TRAFFIC 3 45 22 FAIRGROUND ROAD AND MORGAN FORD ROADS.
UM, TWO, UH, IN REFERENCE TO CHANGING THE FARM THAT'S NORTH OF FAMILY DOLLAR, I BELIEVE MOST OF THE RESIDENTS WARREN COUNTY CHERISH ITS BEAUTY, RURAL BEAUTY AND CHARACTER.
MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, UM, AT WHAT POINT HAVE WE CHIPPED AWAY AT OUR OPEN SPACE TRYING TO CREATE REVENUE THAT WE LOSE THAT RURAL BEAUTY IN CHARACTER? I THINK WE'RE ALREADY GETTING VERY CLOSE, AND I WORRY IN 20 YEARS WHAT WE WILL LOOK LIKE.
UM, THREE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A HIGHLY CONTENTIOUS SUBJECT, I FEEL OUR PLANET IS WARMING.
UM, OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS OUR VISION FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A WHOLE SECTION ON HOW WE AS A COUNTY DEAL WITH RAMIFICATIONS OF A WARMING PLANET.
WE NEED VISION TO ADDRESS HOW WE ENDURE THE HOTTER SUMMERS.
WE NEED VISION, UM, TO ADDRESS OUR DWINDLING WATER SUPPLY.
WE NEED VISION TO HELP OUR DYING WILDLIFE, THE MAMMALS, THE BIRDS, THE INSECTS, AMPHIBIANS, AND WE NEED VISION FOR INTEGRATING ALTERNATIVE ENERGY RESOURCES SUCH AS SOLAR INTO OUR COUNTY SO WE CAN MAINTAIN OUR BEAUTIFUL AREA.
LAST, I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE A DU, UM, INCLUDING THE NEED TO TIE THE NEW STRUCTURES TO FA TO A FAMILY MEMBER IF THE CHANGE IS TO HELP THE FARMER.
THERE ARE MANY FARMERS THAT DO NOT HAVE FAMILY WHO WOULD NEED TO LIVE IN THAT HOUSE, BUT FARMERS NEED HELPERS IN HAVING AN ADDITIONAL DWELLING CAN HELP THEM FIND WORKERS.
ON THE OTHER HAND, THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE THAT NEED HOUSING AND WOULD LIKE TO WORK ON A FARM AND DO NOT HAVE FAMILY WITH THE FARM.
SO IT SEEMS LIKE IF YOU DIDN'T TIE THE FAMILY IN THERE, IT WOULD BE ADVANTAGEOUS.
UM, I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHY WE DON'T KEEP THE EXISTING A DU AND ADD THE ABILITY TO COMPLETE TO INSTALL A COMPLETE KITCHEN.
UM, A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, A PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, SORRY.
MELANIE SALANS, UH, FRONT ROYAL VIRGINIA, A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OUTLINES A COMMUNITY'S VISION OF THEIR GOALS FOR THE FUTURE.
I THINK WE HAVE TO TAKE NOTE OF LAST WEEK'S ELECTION WHERE MAYOR COCKRELL WON IN A LANDSLIDE VICTORY RUNNING ON A PLATFORM OF KEEPING THIS AREA RURAL.
AND I FEAR THAT THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SEEMS TO OPEN DOORS TO ALLOW MORE RAPID DEVELOPMENT.
UM, I, I WAS NOT MADE AWARE THAT THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS MADE PUBLIC AND RELEASED UNTIL MONDAY AND A 241 PAGE DOCUMENT, PUBLIC HEARING BEING HELD ON A WEDNESDAY.
MOST CITIZENS HAVE TO WORK, THEY HAVE FAMILY COMMITMENTS, AND IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO READ AND DIGEST A DOCUMENT THIS MAGNITUDE IN A MERE TWO DAYS.
IT FEELS LIKE THERE'S A UNDERCURRENT OF, UH, CIRCUMVENTING
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COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT BY HAVING THE RELEASE AND THE PUBLIC HEARING SO CLOSE TOGETHER.UM, MANY PEOPLE WERE NOT AWARE OF THE DOCUMENT AT ALL.
MOST WERE ALSO UNHAPPY FEELING THAT WE ARE OPENING THE DOOR FOR FURTHER DEVELOPMENT.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, DUE TO PRIOR COMMITMENTS, THEY COULDN'T BE HERE THIS EVENING.
UM, THE SECTION THAT CAUSED ME THE MOST CONCERN WAS THE SCHOOL SECTION.
UM, I AM THE NORTH RIVER SCHOOL BOARD ELECTED OFFICIAL, AND, UM, THERE ARE SEVERAL ERRORS IN THAT INFORMATION.
I, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE SOME OF THIS DATA CAME FROM.
OUR ADMINISTRATORS HAVE BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY TO UPDATE THE SCHOOL INFORMATION, BUT THEY HAD NOT YET HAD TIME TO COMPLETE IT.
OUR SUPERINTENDENT MADE THE COUNTY AWARE THAT WE WERE STILL WORKING ON OUR UPDATES, AND WE HAD NO IDEA THAT THIS DOCUMENT WOULD BE PRESENTED TO THE PUBLIC THIS EARLY.
WE DID NOT GET A CHANCE TO REVIEW THIS DOCUMENT, OUR SECTION, EVEN BEFORE IT WAS RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC.
SO IT CAME AS QUITE A SHOCK TO TO US WHEN IT CAME OUT.
AND AGAIN, MY CONCERNS WITH THE ERRORS, I, I DID SEND AN EMAIL, BUT I HAVE NOT HEARD BACK.
UM, MY MAIN TAKEAWAY IS THAT THIS DOCUMENT IS NOT YET READY.
THIS SHOULD NOT BE VOTED ON, AND THE PUBLIC SHOULD BE GIVEN A COURTESY OF A 90 DAY REVIEW PERIOD BEFORE HOLDING ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING IN THAT TIME PERIOD.
THEY CAN SUBMIT THEIR, THEIR IDEAS, THEIR SUGGESTIONS, THEIR COMMENTS, THEIR CONCERNS.
A COMMUNITY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MUST INCLUDE AND BE REFLECTIVE OF THE WANTS OF THE COMMUNITY.
I ASK YOU TO TABLE THIS MATTER UNTIL THE NEW YEAR.
WHAT ELSE? BETTY POWERS? I GOOD EVENING.
MY NAME'S BETTY POWERS AND I LIVE AT 9 96 ASHBY STATION ROAD.
UM, I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CONCERNING THE PROPERTY AT THE CORNER OF ASHBY STATION IN ROUTE 5 22 NORTH.
UM, I'M HERE TO SPEAK OF MY NEIGHBORS AND MYSELF, OUR CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT PROPERTY, THAT THERE'S A ROCK LEDGE THAT RUNS ALL THE WAY ACROSS THERE, AND IT WOULD TAKE A LOT OF BLASTING FOR WHO, WHOEVER DEVELOPS IT AND WE'RE AFRAID AND OF BEING AFFECTED, OUR FOUNDATIONS, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD AFFECT OUR FOUNDATIONS ON OUR HOUSES AND OUR WELLS.
AND IT'S CLOSE TO THE GAS LINE OUT THERE.
AND, UM, AS FAR AS ACCESS OUT ONTO 5 22, THAT LOT RUNS WHERE THERE COULD BE A ROAD THAT WOULD LEAD OUT TO FAIRGROUNDS ROAD, AND THEY COULD COME UP TO THAT LIGHT RATHER THAN HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER LIGHT OUT THAT WAY.
SO THESE ARE MY CONCERNS AND MY NEIGHBOR'S CONCERNS, AND WE JUST ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER ALL THESE THINGS WHEN YOU'RE MAKING CHOICES AS TO WHO YOU LET GO OUT THERE.
KELLY CAMPBELL, 38 62 BENTONVILLE ROAD.
I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING ALL THIS FROM THE START WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I WENT TO ALL THE, EVERYTHING I'VE GOT IS, IS BASED IN FOR BROWNTOWN.
UM, I FOLLOWED IT FROM THE START.
I'VE BEEN TO ALL THE MEETINGS AND, UM, THEY CLAIM THAT THEY SENT OUT BALLOTS.
IT WAS A END GENERAL VAGUE SURVEY, WHICH I HAVE AND I'LL SUBMIT TO YOU.
UM, THEY CLAIM THAT THE MAJORITY OF BROWNTOWN IS ALL FOR THIS, AND THEY REALLY WANT IT, AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANT.
BASICALLY, IT'S MIST TRUE IN THEIR OWN INFORMATION.
THEY SAY THERE'S 1330, 35 PEOPLE IN BROWNTOWN.
THERE WAS 123 SURVEYS THAT WERE SUBMITTED.
THEY'RE BASING ALL THIS ON 123 SURVEYS.
THAT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE TO HALF.
UM, MY MAIN CONCERNS WERE SHOPPING, DINING AND ENTERTAINMENT IN BROWNTOWN, UH, RECREATIONAL FACILITIES, BIKING AND WALKING PATHS.
SCENIC S WHICH WE DON'T NEED MORE TRAFFIC IN BROWNTOWN, WE'VE GOT PLENTY, UM, RURAL VILLAGERS WITH A MIX OF USES.
MOST PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THAT RURAL VILLAGERS WITH A MIXED USE OPENS THE DOOR TO COMMERCIAL.
I'M FORTUNATE I'VE BEEN IN A BUILDING TRADE LONG ENOUGH.
PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT IF THEY SAY, YEAH, WE WANT THIS, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE COMMERCIAL COME INTO THEIR VILLAGES AND THERE'S NOTHING THEY CAN DO ABOUT IT, THEY CAN DO IT BY, RIGHT.
UM, MY OTHER CONCERN WAS ZONING TOOLS.
IT, THEY STATED THAT THEY WOULD USE ALL THE TOOLS THEY
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HAD AND THE ZONING DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WERE, UM, FACILITIES THAT ALL THE, THE TRAIL HEADS FOR THE NATIONAL FOREST AND STUFF, WHICH IS GREAT, BUT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING PRIVATE PROPERTY, THAT'S A LITTLE INVASIVE.YOU KNOW, WHAT DO, WHAT DO YOU DO THERE? THEY WANT PARKING LOTS.
IT'S A TRAIL HEADS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
MY SISTER AND I DID A, JUST DID A BASIC PETITION WITH THESE POINTS ON THERE.
AND I READ AROUND, JUST SPENT A FEW WEEKENDS FOR A FEW HOURS RIDING AROUND AND TALKING TO THE LOCALS.
UM, EVERYBODY I SPOKE WITH DIDN'T HAVE A CLUE WHAT WAS GOING ON.
THEY, THEY DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT.
AND EVERYTHING I TALKED ABOUT, THEY DIDN'T WANT IT ALL.
BUT TWO OF THE PEOPLE I TALKED TO SIGNED, ONE WAS AN OLD LADY THAT DIDN'T HAVE A CLUE WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
AND THE OTHER ONE WAS A FLAMING LIBERAL THAT DIDN'T WANNA HEAR WHAT I HAD TO SAY.
UM, I THINK IF, IF ANY OF THIS GOES THROUGH, WE NEED TO CHECK WITH THE OTHER COMMUNITIES, TON BETONVILLE.
NONE OF THEM, PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT ALL THIS EXTRA TRAFFIC AND STUFF THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ADD.
AND THEN WHEN I WENT AND LOOKED AT THE NEW PLAN, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT SEWAGE TREATMENT PLANTS, WATER AND TRAFFIC IS THE TWO MAIN ISSUES.
WE'VE HAD DROUGHT FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS IN BROWNTOWN.
WHY CAN'T WE TAKE THAT MONEY THAT THEY WANT FOR ADVISORY BOARDS AND STUDIES? PUT IT TO OUR FIRE DEPARTMENTS AND EMERGENCY SERVICES.
WE NEED THOSE IN BROWNTOWN, PUT IT TO OUR POLICE, GIVE 'EM WHAT THEY NEED TO TAKE CARE OF US.
AND GOD KNOWS WE HAVEN'T HAD INTERNET IN BROWNTOWN TO SPEAK OF.
UM, AND EVEN FROM WHAT IT SAYS HERE, YOU KNOW, NATURAL RESOURCES ARE LIMITED AND THERE'S ONLY A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT, THAT WE CAN SERVE ON OUR WATER THAT WE HAVE UP THERE.
THANK YOU, ROXANNE CAMPBELL, IF I MAY, I'D LIKE TO SUBMIT SURVEY AND, AND JUST A LITTLE BIT THAT WE DID.
THERE'S 150 NAMES ON THE SURVEY AND THAT WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, AND A LITTLE BIT OF TIME THAT WE SPENT IN THERE.
UH, MY NAME IS ROXY CAMPBELL, 1 98 AUTUMN HILL LANE.
UM, I'M A RESIDENT OF BROWNTOWN.
I HAD A WHOLE BUNCH OF NOTES, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S MY, MY BASIC THING IS COMING FROM MY HEART, I'M A RESIDENT OF BROWNTOWN.
I GREW UP IN BROWNTOWN, BROWN TOWN'S BEEN THAT WAY FOR OVER A HUNDRED YEARS.
IT'S BEEN MADE A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT COME IN, THEY WANNA, YOU KNOW, MAKE THEIR COFFEE SHOPS IN OUR ANTIQUE SHOPS AND, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT TO PUT THE SEWAGE SYSTEMS IN AND HOW IS THAT GONNA AFFECT THE, THE WATER AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE NOISE LEVEL AND THE PROTECTING THE ROYAL.
AND YOU KNOW, WHEN HERE IN THE VISION IT SAYS, PRESERVE THE QUALITY OF OUR CLEAN WATER AND NATURAL REESES, WHERE IN SCENIC LANDSCAPE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT WITH SEPTIC SYSTEMS. WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO? WHERE ARE YOU GONNA PUT IT IN BROWNTOWN? YOU'RE GONNA TEAR DOWN THE COMMUNITY CENTER AND THE CHURCH AND PUT IT IN THE MIDDLE OF BROWNTOWN AND HAVE IT FEEDING IN THE WATER.
ARE YOU GONNA HAVE THE TOWN SERVE THE, THE WATER OUT TO BROWNTOWN? IS THAT FEASIBLE FOR THE TOWN? THEY DON'T WANT TO, THEY'RE TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM GIVING THEIR WATER AWAY NOW TO THE NORTH END.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHY WOULD THEY WANT TO BRING IT TO THE SOUTH END TO ALL THESE LITTLE RURAL COMMUNITIES, YOU KNOW, LIKE TON AND BENTONVILLE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE MOVE THERE FOR A REASON.
IT'S A COUNTRY, IT'S QUAINT, IT'S QUIET, SUPPOSEDLY, AND THEY MOVED THERE.
THEY DON'T WANT, IF THEY WANTED THE CONVENIENCE OF TOWN, THEY CAN GO TO TOWN.
WE WANT TO SUPPORT OUR MAIN STREET.
WE WANT TO SUPPORT OUR SHOPS IN FRONT ROYAL, WE DON'T NEED ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN BROWNTOWN.
WE, AND IT'S, IT'S AGRICULTURAL.
IT DON'T NEED TO BE CHANGED IN ZONING.
UM, IT WOULD JUST BE A BABY MIDDLEBURG AND I DON'T REALLY THINK THAT WE NEED THAT.
UM, AND THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER THINGS HERE THAT I DIDN'T AGREE WITH.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE, AS WHAT SHE SAID, I DON'T THINK THAT IT WAS ADVERTISED, UH, WAY ENOUGH.
I DON'T THINK PEOPLE HAD ENOUGH TIME TO COMPREHEND IT AND TO READ IT AND TO UNDERSTAND IT.
UM, LIKE HER, I WAS DOING IT AND TRYING TO GET IT DONE IN THREE DAYS, YOU KNOW, FROM THE DRAFT.
I MEAN, I HAD ALL THE OTHER STUFF FROM ALL OF BEFORE, AND I'VE READ IT TWO OR THREE TIMES EACH TIME.
BUT YOU ALWAYS PICK UP SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
AND I'VE ALWAYS, AND IN THE DRAFT THERE WAS DIFFERENT THINGS THAT, AND CHANGES THAT WASN'T EVEN IN THE OTHER ONE.
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I, I JUST HOPE THAT YOU, UM, HEAR THE PEOPLE OUT AND UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, BROWNTOWN AND THE SMALL COMMUNITIES DON'T NEED ALL THIS EXTRA DEVELOPMENT CLUSTER FOR HOUSINGS.I MEAN, THAT'S, UH, A RULE FOR EMERGENCY SITUATIONS ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT FEASIBLE FOR ANYBODY.
AND I HOPE YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT TO KEEP THE LOCAL, LOCAL.
MY FARM'S AT 41 51 G MARINE LOOP IN BROWNTOWN.
UM, I OF COURSE ECHO THE CONCERNS, UM, AND DESIRE FOR CLARIFICATION ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR HIGH DENSITY OVERDEVELOPMENT IN THE AG DISTRICT.
BUT WHAT I'D REALLY LIKE TO SAY IS, THANK YOU.
IT'S OBVIOUS THAT ALL OF YOU HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND ENERGY THINKING ABOUT THE FUTURE OF OUR COUNTY.
IN PARTICULAR, I'D LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU TO OUR PLANNING COMMISSIONER FROM THE SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT FOR MAKING SURE THAT THERE WAS A SECTION ON AGRICULTURE AND AGRITOURISM IN THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WHEN YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING AT ACTIVITIES AND OPPORTUNITIES THAT PROTECT FARMLAND AND OPEN SPACE, WHILE ALSO CREATING JOBS, FOSTERING COMMUNITY, CONTRIBUTING MORE TO THE TAX BASE THAN THE SERVICES THEY CONSUME, AGRICULTURE AND AGRITOURISM ARE AMONG THE MOST POWERFUL TOOLS WE'VE GOT AND USEFUL TO ACCOMPLISH THOSE GOALS.
AS A LOCAL FARMER AND SMALL BUSINESS OWNER, I APPRECIATE EVERY EFFORT YOU GUYS MAKE TO PROTECT, PROMOTE AND ENCOURAGE LOCAL AND FAMILY OWNED FARMS AND SMALL BUSINESSES, AND TO PROTECT WHAT WE LOVE ABOUT WARREN COUNTY.
SO CAN I ASK YOU A REAL QUICK QUESTION FOR MY THREE MINUTES? UH, ADDRESS FIRST.
1 38 TRENCH TRAIL COURT FRONT ROYAL VIRGINIA, 2 2 6, 3 0.
CAN I GET THAT PAUSE FOR A SEC? JUST ONE QUICK ONE.
WHEN WAS THIS DOCUMENT, UH, PUBLICLY RELEASED ONLINE? THIS ONE HERE.
DOES ANYONE KNOW? WE, WE DID THIS, WHAT, WHEN WAS IT? IT, IT WAS PUBLISHED ON FRIDAY WITH THE REST OF THE AGENDA.
I CAN START WITH TIME AND IF, IF I MAY INTERRUPT YOU BEFORE YOU CONTINUE ON.
OUR VOTE, WHETHER OR NOT WE HELP APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE, IS ONLY A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
THERE'LL BE ANOTHER MEETING ON THIS.
SO ANY REVIEW THAT YOU HAVE, YOU'VE GOT THAT TIME.
CAN I START PLEASE? ALL RIGHT.
AT THREE, CAN I START AT THREE? OH, BRUTAL.
UM, I, THIS THE FACT THAT YOU GUYS ARE RELEASING A PLAN ON FRIDAY AND YOU'RE ALREADY HAVING A HEARING ON IT LESS THAN A WEEK.
UM, I JUST HEARD ABOUT THE PLAN TODAY.
I'M VERY INVOLVED WITH THE COMMUNITY.
I JUST BOUGHT A HOUSE HERE A COUPLE YEARS AGO AND, UH, I HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN MAKE SURE THAT THIS PLACE DOESN'T TURN INTO A COMMUNIST HELLHOLE.
SO, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT LEAD TO THAT.
I ACTUALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK YOU GUYS HAVE ACTUALLY DONE ON THIS DOCUMENT.
I THINK IT'S A REALLY NICE DOCUMENT I THINK PEOPLE SHOULD LOOK AT AND HAVE TIME TO LOOK AT IT.
AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S BEEN TOO MUCH TIME FOR PEOPLE TO LOOK AT IT.
PEOPLE NEED TIME TO LOOK AND CONSIDER THESE THINGS THAT DIRECTLY AFFECT THEM.
THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS ALREADY UNDERFUNDED AND YOU'RE ABOUT TO ADD A HUGE BURDEN TO THEM, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING THROWN INTO THE MIX.
I'VE SEEN WHAT HAPPENS TO COMMUNITIES WHEN THEY START FROM LIKE, YOU KNOW, RELATIVELY, YOU KNOW, SLIGHTLY SUBURBAN.
YOU GIVE IT ABOUT TWO YEARS LAW OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
GUESS WHAT HAPPENS? CRIME RATES SHOOT UP, DRUG RATES SHOOT UP.
THIS COUNTY ALREADY HAS A HUGE DRUG PROBLEM AND, AND IT'S ABOUT TO BE PERPETUATED EVEN FURTHER.
IF WE ALLOW SOMETHING LIKE THIS TO GO THROUGH WITHOUT MUCH CONSIDERATION, WE NEED A LOT MORE TIME TO GO THROUGH THIS BEFORE WE'RE HAVING THESE BIG PUBLIC HEARINGS.
I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE BRINGING SOME AWARENESS TO THIS DOCUMENT, BUT WE NEED A LOT MORE TIME.
I DON'T WANNA SEE A VOTE ON THIS UNTIL AT LEAST NEXT YEAR.
I FEEL LIKE THIS IS SORT OF LIKE THE ENVY OF, UH, NANCY PELOSI, RIGHT? WE GOTTA PASS THE RESOLUTION TO SEE WHAT'S IN IT IN A WAY.
IT'S LIKE, OH, SERIOUSLY, IT'S LIKE 2 41 PAGES.
SIR, IF I MAY DIRECT SOMETHING, IT IS MY TIME.
CAN I SPEAK I'LL? YOU CAN DO WHEN YOU'RE DONE, WHEN YOU'RE DONE, WHEN I'M DONE, YOU OUTLINE A LITTLE BIT.
DON'T BLAME YOUR POLITICAL PREFERENCES INTO THIS.
IT'S IS THE PUBLIC HEARING, IT'S NOT POLITICAL.
IT, IT'S BOTH SIDES OF THE DO IT.
SO WE'RE GONNA PASS THE RESOLUTION TO SEE WHAT'S IN IT.
WE'RE GONNA, PEOPLE ARE GONNA REALIZE WHAT'S GOING ON TO THEIR TOWN AFTER THIS THING GETS PASSED.
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UNLESS YOU WANT INFORMATION TO MEAN WARFARE, YOU GUYS ARE NOT GONNA PASS THIS UNTIL AT LEAST, OR AT LEAST CONSIDER, LIKE VOTING ON THIS UNTIL NEXT YEAR, BECAUSE PEOPLE NEED TIME TO READ AND DIGEST AND LOOK AT THIS AND SEE HOW IT'S GONNA AFFECT THEM.I'M NOT SAYING NO, WE GOTTA LOOK AT THIS THING.
SO LET'S TRY NOT TO BE LIKE CHUCK SCHUMER.
AND LET'S HAVE SOME TIME TO LOOK AT IT.
OH, BY THE WAY, THE WEBSITE, THIS IS THE PDF, IT DOESN'T LOAD ON THE PHONE.
IT LOADS ON THE COMPUTER, OR NOT THE PHONE.
PEOPLE NEED TO BE ABLE TO READ IT, THE DOCUMENT, HAVE PEOPLE LOOK IN THEIR PHONES.
THAT DOCUMENT, THAT IS THE END OF THE LIST.
IS THERE ANYONE CARES SPEAK THAT DIDN'T SIGN UP? BUT I HAVEN'T STUDIED THIS TION PLAN.
I DON'T, I AM NOT REALLY AWARE OF WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO OR WHAT YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO DO.
BUT I DO LIVE IN THE, IN THE, UH, BENTONVILLE BROWNTOWN AREA.
AND FOR 18 OR 16 YEARS, I LIVED ON ANO AVENUE RIGHT IN TOWN, AND I WANTED TO MOVE, WE WANTED TO MOVE SOMEWHERE.
SO I LOOKED NORTH OF, UH, OF THE TOWN AND I SAID, NO, THE, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE IS GONNA BE HEADING NORTH.
UH, AND I SAID, LET'S GO SOUTH TOWARD, UH, BENTONVILLE.
BECAUSE IN ORDER TO GET THE INFRASTRUCTURE OUT THERE FOR ANY TYPE OF INDUSTRY, UH, WATER AND SEWER IS PRIMARILY WHAT YOU NEED.
SO WE MADE A DECISION TO MOVE THERE.
I DON'T WANT A SEVEN 11 OUT THERE.
IF YOU GO INTO RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY, LITTLE WASHINGTON, THAT LITTLE COMMUNITY HISTORICAL TYPE COMMUNITY, YOU DON'T FIND GAS STATION NEON LIGHTS, SEVEN ELEVENS, COFFEE SHOPS.
YOU DO HAVE SOME NICE SIT DOWN RESTAURANTS.
ONE NICE RESTAURANT IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT,
UH, SO I, I, I LIKE THE ROYAL AREA THAT WE LIVE IN, AND WHAT DO WE DO TO KEEP IT LIKE, THAT'D BE GREAT.
ANYONE ELSE? HOW ARE YOU DOING? MY NAME'S KEVIN HAMMOND, SEVEN 60 ASHBY STATION ROAD.
I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT THE, UH, PROPERTY NORTH OF FA UH, FAMILY DOLLAR.
I WISH Y'ALL RECONSIDER REZONING THAT FOR THE FACT THAT I LIVE ON THE ROAD.
MULTIPLE REASONS BETTY SPOKE ABOUT.
UM, I'D JUST, UH, LIKE TO SEE YOUR TABLE, THAT ONE.
ANYONE ELSE? GOING, GOING? PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
OKAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WILL JUST MENTION THAT A SURVEY TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC HAD BEEN MADE AVAILABLE FOR CLOSE TO A YEAR FOR GENERAL PUBLIC TO SUBMIT THEIR COMMENTS.
UH, BASED ON THE SURVEY, WE'VE DONE OUR BEST THAT WE CAN TO MAKE THAT AVAILABLE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC THROUGH VARIOUS TOOLS.
UM, THE FINALIZED VERSION WAS THE ONE THAT WAS PUBLISHED WITH THE PACKETS.
UH, THIS, BUT IT WAS AVAILABLE FOR VIEWING AT ANY TIME, UH, IN OUR OFFICE.
WE WERE, WE'VE BEEN CONSTANTLY WORKING ON IT TO BRING IT TO THIS POINT.
SO, UM, I'D JUST LIKE TO MENTION THAT WE ARE, WE HAD TRIED TO BRING THE, UH, PUBLIC IN AND, AND, UH, AS BEST WE COULD.
AND, UM, WE HOPE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, TO RECEIVE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS.
UH, WE, WE ARE STILL NOT COMPLETE WITH THIS.
THERE ARE COMMENTS THAT WE'D LIKE TO, UH, ADD TO IT BASED ON OUR JOINT WORK SESSION WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND BOARD LAST NIGHT, BASED ON TONIGHT'S PUBLIC HEARING AND BASED ON, UH, OUR COMMUNITY OUTREACH MEETING YESTERDAY.
SO, UM, WE DO APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC, AND WE WILL DEFINITELY CON WE HOPE THAT WE CAN CONSIDER THEM AND, AND YOU CAN CONSIDER, UH, SOME OF THOSE ALSO, SIR.
SO OBVIOUSLY THERE'S STILL SOME WORK TO DO.
AND WE JUST GOT VDOT COMMENTS.
Y TODAY, WE DID GET A FINAL APPROVAL FOR
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THE IMPLEMENTATION SECTION FROM VDOT TODAY.IT WAS A LETTER THAT IS REQUIRED BY STATE LAW.
UM, SO THAT WILL, UM, BASICALLY THEIR FINAL APPROVAL FOR THAT CHAPTER SEVEN, UH, TRANSPORTATION SECTION.
OBVIOUSLY I CAN'T MAKE MOTIONS AS CHAIR, BUT I WOULD PERSONALLY LEAN TOWARD TABLING THEN UNTIL THE DOCUMENT GETS COMPLETE.
NO, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S ALL A FEW COMMENTS THAT IT, IT MAY HELP A LITTLE BIT.
OH, THIS IS PART OF THE PROCESS.
UH, WE, WE DON'T APPROVE THIS.
THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR HAS THE FINAL SAY.
SO AT THIS LEVEL, WE'RE TAKING PUBLIC COMMENTS, MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS.
YOU KNOW, IF IT, NOBODY SHOWED AND EVERYBODY WAS HAPPY, WE WOULD PLEASE APPROVE THIS, THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR WOULD BE NEXT MONTH.
BUT, UH, UM, THERE'S SOME STUFF THAT NEEDS TO BE WORKED ON, UH, FOR THOSE THAT DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO PARTICIPATE, UH, ALL SOONER EITHER DIDN'T SEE IT OR WHATEVER.
I MEAN, YOU, YOU GOT, YOU GOT AT LEAST ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING ALL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA CONTINUE THIS ONE ALL, BUT YOU'LL DEFINITELY HAVE ANOTHER SHOT AT THE BOARD LEVEL.
SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT THE, UH, AND THEN SOME OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, THEY'RE JUST KIND OF A VISION.
THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S, UH, A FUTURE VISION.
WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE ZONING, BUT WE THINK IT PROBABLY WOULD FIT IN A LONG-TERM PLAN.
IF SOMEONE WANTED TO CHANGE IT LATER, DON'T MEAN THAT THAT'LL BE APPROVED.
AND, UH, IT WAS A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT CONDITIONS.
YOU KNOW, WHAT IF THIS, WHAT IF, THAT KIND OF THING, OH, WHEN IT'S APPLIED FOR, AND YOU SAY, YEAH, THAT WAS, WE KIND OF THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, 10 YEARS AGO THAT WAS PROBABLY COMING THAT WAY.
WELL, THE CONDITIONS GO IN THEN, YOU KNOW, BUFFERING ZONES AND, YOU KNOW, INFRASTRUCTURE AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO IT, OH, YOU KNOW, THE COLOR OF THAT MAP'S NOT GONNA BE LIKE THAT IN THE MORNING, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF WE VOTED TO APPROVE, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOTTA GO THROUGH SOME MORE PROCESS YET.
UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT FOR THOSE, UM, THAT WERE HERE, THAT SEEMED TO THINK THAT THIS WOULD BE THE, THE LAW IN THE MORNING.
AND A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN'S NOT IN STONE EITHER.
IT, IT, IT IS JUST A GUIDE, UH, TO MOVE FORWARD.
MR. JENKINS HAD HAD MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, LIKE A, UH, LITTLE WASHINGTON AREA, SMALL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GOT, THAT'S GOT A SEWAGE SYSTEM, YOU KNOW, SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE VILLAGE IN BROWN TOWNS MAY NOT EVER SEE THAT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU GOT, IF YOU KNOW THE COMMUNITY CENTER AND EXPANDED AND, YOU KNOW, JUST THE POPULATION OF BROWNTOWN EXPANDED, STARTED USING THAT MORE, WHERE'S THE SEWAGE GAP? YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU NEED TO DO? SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT, I, GRANTED YOU NEED SOME CAUTIONS IN, BUT IT IS NOT A ZONING CHANGE TODAY.
YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, IN 20 YEARS WITH THE POPULATION GROWTH IN THAT AREA, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY PE YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S JUST A VISION, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, WE'RE GOING START CONSTRUCTION PLANS OR, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THOUGH.
SOME PEOPLE SEEM TO HAVE A FEAR OF THAT.
AND I, I JUST WANTED TO, WHAT WATER WOULD A SEWAGE PLANT TAKE? SEWAGE, SEWAGE PLANT DOESN'T USE ANY WATER TO USE THE SEWAGE, BUT IT'S NOT A QUESTION TO ANSWER, PERIOD.
SO, OH, THE OTHER THING TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION IS A LOT OF THIS WAS ALREADY WRITTEN IN 2013, AND SO WHEN WE STARTED DISCUSSING THIS, WE DID TAKE THAT AS OUR GUIDELINE, AND WE DID ADD SOME THINGS.
MAYBE WE DO, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER REVISITING CERTAIN LANGUAGE.
I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE JUSTIFIABLE.
SO THAT I WILL SAY, UM, WE DIDN'T JUST, BOOM, THIS IS RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO THIS HAS BEEN AN ONGOING THING FOR, FOR MANY, UH, MANY YEARS.
AND, AND, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D JUST LIKE TO MENTION THAT, UM, WITH CHANGES TO THIS PARTICULAR DRAFT OF, UH, PLAN AND THE CHANGES TO THE MAPS THERE, IT, WE DO HAVE AN OPTION TO HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION LEVEL.
IF THE BOARDS, UH, THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION SO CHOOSES ONCE, UM, THE, THE CURRENT VERSION THAT WE HAVE HAS BEEN VETTED, YOU KNOW, BY, AGAIN, BY THE PUBLIC AND, AND THO AND MODIFICATIONS BASED ON WHAT WE ARE HEARING HAVE BEEN, UH, REVIEWED AND POTENTIALLY, UH, REVISED WITHIN THE PLAN.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, TONIGHT, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU CHOOSE TO TABLE IT, THAT WOULD GIVE US ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY AT SOME FUTURE TIME, UM, WHEN WE FEEL IT'S, IT'S READY TO GO BACK FOR REVIEW.
AND THEN AGAIN, THAT WOULD, WOULD, UH, BE IN A, UH, A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD.
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AS AS, YES, YOUR DUTY ISAS I WAS SAYING, IT'S OBVIOUSLY WE STILL NEED TO DO SOME WORK.
DO WE TABLE FOR ONE MONTH OR DO WE, BECAUSE I DO WANT THE SCHOOL BOARD TO BE ABLE, I WANT OPEN COMMUNICATION.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK A MONTH, ISN'T IT? BECAUSE YOU COULD ALWAYS TABLE IT AGAIN.
THE OTHER THING TOO IS IF WE GET IT RESOLVED, LIKE I SAY, WE'RE NOT THE FINAL SAY NO, NO.
YOU KNOW, THE BOARD WILL PUT IT ON EVEN FOR AN ADDITIONAL PUBLIC HEARING.
SO I DON'T THINK I WOULD KICK A CAN WAY DOWN THE ROAD ALL, BUT I THINK A MOST SUFFICIENT, AND THEN, UH, I DIDN'T SEE A MISSION, UH, A MOTION IN HERE TO TABLE, BUT WE'LL THINK OF SOMETHING, BUT I DIDN'T EITHER IN THAT MOTION, DOES THAT AUTOMATICALLY CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING? IF IT'S NOT, UH, YOU WOULD'VE HAD TO POSTPONE THE PUBLIC HEARING, THE CLOSING OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, SO THIS WOULD JUST BE ANOTHER, WE WOULD RE ADVERTISE FOR ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING, I BELIEVE.
IF YOU COULD, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY, WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS FOR STAFF TO BRING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BACK AT THE DECEMBER MEETING, AND THEN IF IT IS ACCEPTABLE TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THAT YOU WOULD THEN AUTHORIZE ADVERTISEMENT FOR A SUBSEQUENT PUBLIC HEARING POTENTIALLY TO BE HELD IN JANUARY AM AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT RIGHT? OH, IT'D BE, IT'D BE ENOUGH CHANGES.
WE'D GET A NEW PUBLIC HEARING.
THAT WITHIN TWO MONTHS, WE, WE DEFINITELY, AND THAT WOULD GIVE US ADDITIONAL TIME TO GET COMMENTS FROM, AGAIN, THE SCHOOL BOARD IF, IF, IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL COMMENTS THAT THEY HAVE FOR US.
AND ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS THAT, UH, THE, UH, COMMUNITY WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT TO US VIA EMAIL WRITING, UM, WE WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE THOSE IN.
THIS IS A TRANSPARENT PROCESS.
WE ARE NOT TRYING TO PULL ANYTHING OVER ANYBODY'S EYES.
ALRIGHT, WELL, WE'LL, SO THE MOTION TO HEARING IS CLOSED.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL DO A MOTION TO TABLE AND THEN, UH, AND IDENTIFY WHEN YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE IT BROUGHT BACK FOR AUTHORIZATION TO ADVERTISE.
LET'S, WOULD THAT BE SUFFICIENT? YES.
I'LL, I'LL PROBABLY MESS IT ALL UP, BUT I, I'LL TRY IT UNLESS SOMEBODY ELSE ELSE WANTS TO.
UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UNTIL DECEMBER'S MEETING, WHERE IT CAN BE REVIEWED AND RE-ADVERTISED FOR A NEW PUBLIC HEARING.
I'LL SECOND ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF TABLING, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ALSO, THANK YOU FOR THE STAFF TO ALL YOUR TIME AND EFFORT IN THIS.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO ADD A LITTLE BIT TO, THERE ARE SOME COUNTIES THAT WILL STROKE A HUGE CHECK FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS DOCUMENT.
[VII.A. CUP2024-06-02 - Public Protection Facility - Warren County Sheriff's Office - Sheriff Crystal Cline - A request for a conditional use permit for a Public Protection Facility for use as a law enforcement firearms training range for Warren County Sheriff's Office. The property is located at 232 Shangri-La Drive and is identified on tax map 43 as lot 29A. The property is zoned Agricultural (A) and is in the South River Magisterial District. - Matt Wendling, Planning Director]
NEXT ITEM, OLD BUSINESS CUP 20 24 0 6 0 2, PUBLIC PROTECTION FACILITY, WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, SHERIFF CRYSTAL KLEIN, THE REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A PUBLIC PROTECTION FACILITY FOR USE AS A LAW ENFORCEMENT FIREARMS TRAINING RANGE FOR THE WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE.PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 2 32 SHANGRILA DRIVE IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 43 IS LOT 29.
A PROPERTY IS OWNED AGRICULTURAL IN THE SOUTH RIVER MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.
I'LL JUST BRIEFLY, UH, UH, GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED SINCE THE TABLING OF THIS APPLICATION IN JULY OF THIS YEAR.
UM, THERE WAS SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT THE PLAINTIFF COMMISSION WANTED TO RECEIVE, UH, UH, IN THE FORM OF AGENCY COMMENTS FROM THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND, UH, DEQ.
AND, UM, AT THE TIME THERE WAS A PERMIT, UH, THAT THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR HAD SUBMITTED TO DEQ FOR, UM, THE TRANSFER STATION TO IDENTIFY BOUNDARIES OF THE TRANSFER STATION.
UM, AT THAT TIME, UM, THAT PERMIT REQUEST WAS, UM, BASICALLY WITHDRAWN FROM DEQ SO THAT IT COULD ENCOMPASS THIS AREA, THE PROPOSED AREA OF THE FIRING RANGE, UM, AS PART OF THE, THE DEQ PERMIT FOR THE TRANSFER STATION, UM, THAT HAS SUBSEQUENTLY BEEN SUBMITTED AND, UH, COMPLETED AND SENT BACK TO, UM, THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR.
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A, A SITE PLAN FOR THAT, OR A, YOU KNOW, A SITE BOUNDARY FOR THAT.UM, WE'VE RECEIVED, UH, DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH COMMENTS, UM, AND THE, UH, DEQ COMMENTS RELATING TO THE LAND USE ITSELF AS FAR AS FIREARMS, UH, UH, SHOOTING RANGE.
THEY DID NOT, IN, IN WHAT I READ IN THE COMMENTS, THEY DID NOT, UH, REGULATE THAT LAND USE ITSELF.
SO THE LAND USE FOR THE TRANSFER STATION, IT DOES, BUT THIS LAND USAGE, IT, IT DIDN'T.
SO, UM, ALONG WITH THAT, THE BOARD HELD A WORK SESSION, UH, IN WHICH SHERIFF KLEIN AND, UH, DEPUTY ROY PRESENTED SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON SITES THAT ARE OWNED BY THE COUNTY, UH, THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY WITH, UH, KIND OF A RATING OF EACH OF THE SITE AS TO HOW, UH, IT COULD BENEFIT AND WHAT, WHAT THAT COST WOULD BE TO POTENTIALLY DEVELOP THAT SITE FOR, UH, FOR THIS, UH, USE.
UM, SO THE BOARD HAD SOME DISCUSSION REGARDING THAT AND, AND, UH, WE'RE SHOWN THAT, UM, WE'RE AT A POINT IN TIME WHERE, UH, WE, IT'S REALLY KIND OF TIME TO, I THINK, TRY AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS IN SOME WAY OR ANOTHER.
UM, UH, NOW AT LAST NIGHT'S WORK SESSION WITH THE, THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION AND BOARD, YOU, YOU HEARD, UH, CHAIRMAN COLOR'S, UH, UH, COMMENTS REGARDING POTENTIALLY, UH, THE COUNTY PAYING FOR A, UH, STUDY, AN OUTSIDE STUDY, WHICH, WHICH WOULD LOOK AT ALL OF THE SITES, I GUESS, OR, OR THE PRIMARY SITES, AND THEN POTENTIALLY SITES, UH, THAT COULD BE USED AS A REGIONAL, UH, FACILITY.
UM, SO, UH, AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA COST, UH, THAT THAT DOESN'T COME FREE.
SO, UM, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD ITSELF WOULD, WOULD BE THE ONES TO ACT ON BECAUSE THAT'S THEIR DUTY.
UM, SO, UH, WE'RE COMING FORWARD TODAY WITH THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A CONTINUOUS, UH, CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED, UH, FROM ADJACENT NEIGHBORS AND PEOPLE IN THAT COMMUNITY IN THAT IMMEDIATE AREA ABOUT, UH, THE, THE LAND USE.
AND, UM, WE CONTINUE TO PROVIDE THEM TO, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION IN THEIR PACKETS.
AND WE DID JUST RECEIVE, UH, A LETTER YESTERDAY FROM, UH, THE DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR WHO MANAGES, UH, THE SHENANDOAH NATIONAL PARK.
UH, AS SOON AS WE RECEIVED THAT LETTER THAT WAS PROVIDED BOTH TO THE BOARD MEMBERS AND TO YOU, UM, FOR YOUR REVIEW PRIOR TO THIS MEETING.
UH, AND THAT REALLY IS WHERE WE'RE AT.
UH, I WILL, UH, SAY THAT, UH, I HAVE, IN MY DISCUSSIONS WITH, UM, UH, SHERIFF KLEIN, SHE HAD, UH, POT LOOKED AT THE POTENTIAL USE OF, UH, THE ISSA LANE SITE WITH IS, WHICH IS JUST OUTSIDE OF THE BOUNDARY OF THE TOWN AND COUNTY.
UM, IT'S OWNED BY THE TOWN, UH, EXCUSE ME, OWNED BY THE COUNTY.
AND IT WAS, IT, IT HAD SOME CLASSROOMS ON IT THAT FIRE AND RESCUE, UH, UH, USED, UH, YEARS AGO.
AND WE DID HAVE A CUP APPLICATION YEARS AGO FOR FIRE AND RESCUE TO DO A TRAINING FACILITY THERE.
AND SHERIFF BUTLER AT THE TIME CONSIDERED, UH, INCORPORATING PART OF THAT FOR USE FOR HIS, UH, TRAINING FACILITY.
AND, UH, I THINK JUST FOR VARIOUS REASONS, AND, AND I THINK PRIMARILY FINANCIAL REASONS, UH, IT WAS UNABLE TO BE DONE.
AND SO THAT, THAT, UH, CUP NEVER, UH, CAME TO FRUITION, SO TO SPEAK.
SO, UM, THAT IS ONE OF THE SITES, UH, THAT, THAT'S BEING, UH, LOOKED AT.
AND, AND SHERIFF KLEIN HAS EXPRESSED TO ME THAT THERE'S A POTENTIAL THAT IF THAT COULD POTENTIALLY MEET THEIR NEEDS, UH, SHE'D BE WILLING TO SUBMIT ANOTHER CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION FOR THAT SITE, UH, AND POTENTIALLY HAVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND BOARD WEIGH ON EITHER SITE, UM, IF, IF THAT WAS THEIR, UH, UH, DESIRE.
SO, UM, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT NOW, AND WE JUST WANT TO BRING IT FORWARD.
'CAUSE IT HAS BEEN, UH, A FEW MONTHS.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE DESIRE IS POTENTIALLY TO EITHER, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S YOUR WILL, AGAIN, TO TABLE IT AGAIN, EXTEND THE TABLING OR, UH, GIVE IT A A, A THUMBS UP OR A THUMBS DOWN AND MOVE IT TO THE BOARD.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY ABOUT, ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.
I WILL REMIND EVERYONE THAT WE HAVE HAD A PUBLIC HEARING ON IT AND IT IS STILL CLOSED.
OH, I'M PERSONALLY OF THE THING OF, WE ARE TALKING AS BROUGHT UP HERE, STILL A 40 TO 50 YEAR INVESTMENT, AND I REALIZE CONSULTANT
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COULD BE, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU EXPENSIVE, BUT WHEN YOU PRORATE THAT OVER A 40 TO 50 YEAR LIFESPAN, HOW MUCH ARE WE TALKING? ALSO TOO, A CONSULTANT WILL BE COMING IN AS AN UNBIASED THIRD PARTY AND NOT HAVING ANY SKIN IN THE GAME AND GIVE A MORE, YOU KNOW, ACCURATE AND UNBIASED OPINION.UM, YEAH, AND I, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION TOO THAT, UH, OH, WE, WE COULD DO SOME LEGWORK FREE, YOU KNOW, WE, I TALKED, TALKED ABOUT THAT DURING LAST NIGHT'S MEETING THAT WE COULD GO IN AND, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST DO SOME, UH, FREE EVALUATION, YOU KNOW, UH, WITH MYSELF AND SHERIFF AND PLANNERS AND, UH, BOARD MEMBERS, AND EVEN MAYBE SOME CITIZENS THAT, UH, HAVE SOME BACKGROUND THAT COULD, UH, PROVIDE SOME INSIGHT.
SO, UH, I, I WOULD, UH, BASED ON THE BOARD'S RECOMMENDATION AND, UH, BASED ON TIME TO DO THAT, UH, I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S BEEN A WHILE.
UH, SHERIFF KLEIN, DO YOU HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO TABLING IT? NO, I, I WOULD LIKE TO PUT A HOLD ON THE APPLICATION FOR FURTHER RESEARCH.
PLUS WE WERE REEVALUATING THE BETTONVILLE SITE AS WELL ON HEARING, UM, CITIZEN ISSUES SO THAT WE CAN WORK TOGETHER ON THAT AS WELL.
SO, WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO HOLD ON THE APPLICATION.
WELL, SHE, THE APPLICANT'S IN FAVOR AND THE BOARD'S IN FAVOR ALL.
I'M NOT FIGHTING BOTH OF THEM.
ARE YOU READY FOR A MOTION, PLEASE? YES, SIR.
I WANNA SAY SOMETHING REALLY QUICK THOUGH.
SO, I'M SORRY, MISS, YOU KNOW, I, I'LL BE HONEST, I'M NOT NECESSARILY, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD TABLE THIS.
I ACTUALLY THINK THAT, AND THIS IS JUST MY THOUGHTS ON THIS, I THINK WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND JUST SHUT THE BENTONVILLE, UM, SITE DOWN AND LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS.
THE REASON WHY, IF WE ARE, IF WE HAVE A REGULATION OF A HUNDRED FEET FOR AN AIRBNB BETWEEN TWO DISTANCE, WHAT ARE WE, WHY ARE WE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY 67 FEET FROM ANOTHER NEIGHBORING PROPERTY? I, I, I THINK THEY'RE IN PROCESS OF A REDESIGN.
SO PART OF THE CONCEPT WAS TALKED ABOUT LAST NIGHT, THAT THIS WOULD BE, THE CONSULTANT WOULD LOOK AT OTHER SITES, AREAS WHERE A RANGE WOULD GO AT THAT WE DID NOT THINK OF, OR THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT DIDN'T THINK OF.
SO, BUT STILL ON THAT SEVEN ACRE, SO RIGHT, IT'S NO, IT'S WITHIN LARGER, THE COUNTY.
BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE IT BETTER EITHER.
SO MY, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WHY I'M SAYING THAT IS IT, IT'S ALMOST AS IF WE NEED TO EXCLUDE AND THEN FOCUS ON OTHER LOCATIONS BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE SO MUCH LAND IN THE PROJECTED BENTONVILLE AREA VERSUS THE OTHER OPTIONS.
SO, SO THE QUESTION WOULD BE TO MATT, DOES THAT REQUIRE, IF LOCATION DOES END UP CHANGING, DOES THAT REQUIRE FULL RESUBMISSION? YES.
OR JUST LOCATION CHANGE? YES, WE'D HAVE TO DENY THIS ONE AND THEN GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCEDURE ON THE NEW ONE.
IF THE SUBJECT REAL ESTATE CHANGES, IT WOULD BE A WHOLE NEW APPLICATION AND BEGINNING THE PROCESS FROM STEP ONE.
IF THERE IS AN ADJUSTMENT IN THE LOCATION OF THE SHOOTING RANGE ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, THEN THAT MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY INVOLVE A, A, AN ENTIRE RESTART.
WE WOULD PROBABLY RE ADVERTISE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING WITH THAT NEW INFORMATION.
AND I KNOW IT IS A TOUCHY SUBJECT.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE MAIN QUESTIONS.
MY MAIN CONCERNS IS ARE WE FOCUSING, ARE WE, WOULD IT COST MORE TO BRING OUR ATTENTION BACK TO THIS SITE OR, UM, HAVE THE SURVEYOR POTENTIALLY LOOK AT OTHER MULTIPLE SITES IF WE KNOW THAT THIS SPOT, WE ARE ONLY, WE ONLY HAVE SO MUCH LAND THAT, THAT WAS MY MAIN CONCERN WITH THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THE COST OF, OF ANALYZING IT.
IT'S A FAIR POINT, BUT I, THE BOARD IT BASED AT OUR GROUP MEETING AND THE APPLICANT, THEY'RE OKAY WITH TABLE IT AND OKAY, I'M OKAY WITH IT TOO, BUT THAT'S A FAIR POINT.
THAT'S THE ONLY POINT THAT I REALLY HAVE TO SAY.
BUT YES, I WOULD, YOU KNOW, MAY I ASK, UH, IF YOU WOULD HAVE TO PUT A TIMELINE ON THE TABLE JUST AS WE DID WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, DID THE BOARD HAVE A RECOMMENDATION FOR THAT? NO, I THINK THEY JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, ALL OF THE BOARD OR MOST OF THE BOARD MEMBERS WHO WANTED TO BE ON SITE, WANTED TO SEE THE SITE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, THAT WAS ALSO PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT THE TIME.
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LONG THAT MIGHT TAKE AS FAR AS PREPPING THE SITE, GETTING IT READY, AS YOU HAD MENTIONED IN THE MEETING.UM, SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT'S JUST TRYING TO GET A TIMELINE ON WHEN THIS MIGHT BE BROUGHT BACK.
WELL MENTIONED SOME OTHER SITES TOO, SO, RIGHT.
IF IT'S JUST THE ONE SITE I A MONTH, I THINK WOULD BE FAIR, BUT IF I AM GETTING SOME OTHER IDEAS, YOU KNOW, FROM CITIZENS, SO I, I WOULD PROBABLY PUT AT LEAST TWO MONTHS ON IT.
IF THE SHERIFF IS ASKING THAT IT BE TABLED, ONE OPTION THAT YOU COULD HAVE IS TO TABLE IT UNTIL THE SHERIFF REQUESTS THAT IT MOVED FORWARD.
I THINK THAT'D BE A GOOD IDEA.
NO, SO I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IT HAS ONLY BEEN FOUR, FOUR MONTHS.
IT'S NOT BEEN SIX MONTHS OR EIGHT MONTHS.
AND THE COMMITTEE INPUT IS HUGE ON THIS FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE A LOT CAN CHANGE IN THAT.
UM, I DIDN'T WANT IT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.
UM, OTHER PEOPLE ARE PUSHING FORWARD ON, I WOULD LIKE TO PUT A HOLD ON THIS APPLICATION.
AND IF WE LOOK AT ESA LANE, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THAT HAS TO BE ANOTHER APPLICATION WITH THE PLAINTIFF OR ANOTHER PROPERTY IN THE COUNTY, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO IT'S REALLY A HOLDING, NOT A TABLES.
SO, YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY, SO, YOU KNOW, PARLIAMENTARY TERM, SHOULD WE VOTE TO HOLD OR VOTE TO TABLE? I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE TWO.
FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I TABLE A, I HAD A PARLIAMENTARY PERIOD.
TELL ME ME ONCE THAT IF YOU DIDN'T SPECIFY THE TIME, A TABLE IS ONLY 30 DAYS A HOLD, YOU CAN SPECIFY THE TIME AND PUSH IT FURTHER, BUT I KNOW WE'RE TALKING, WE'RE SPLITTING ERRORS HERE.
I I THINK THAT IF THERE'S AN UNDERSTANDING HERE THAT, UM, WE ARE PUTTING IT ON A HOLD UNTIL, LEMME START FROM THE BEGINNING.
GENERALLY, WE TRY TO PROCESS APPLICATIONS SO THAT THEY CAN GO FROM START TO FINISH WITHIN A YEAR.
UH, HERE WE'RE SEVERAL MONTHS INTO THIS, UH, IT'S HARD TO SAY HOW QUICKLY IT WOULD MOVE FORWARD.
IF THE APPLICANT, UH, CONSENTS TO A DELAY, THEN THERE'S REALLY NO CONCERN REGARDING THE TIMING OF PROCESSING.
AND SO BY PUTTING A HOLD ON IT OR TABLING IT UNTIL THE SHERIFF ASKS THAT IT MOVES FORWARD, UH, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY CONCERN ABOUT HOW QUICKLY THE PLANNING COMMISSION NEEDS TO PROCESS THIS.
AND SO WHETHER YOU, WHETHER YOU, I I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU CALL IT TABLING BECAUSE THAT'S THE WORD I NORMALLY USE.
AND WHETHER IT'S TABLED FOR A, WHEN SOMETHING IS CONTINUED TO THE NEXT MEETING, WE CALL THAT TABLING IT FOR A DEFINITE TIME.
THIS WOULD BE TABLING SOMETHING FOR AN INDEFINITE TIME UNTIL THE APPLICANT REQUESTS THAT IT BE, YOU KNOW, REINITIATED.
I LIKE THAT TERMINOLOGY, RIGHT? YEP.
SO I MAKE YOU WORDS YOUR CHAIRMAN.
UH, I MOTION THAT WE EXTEND THE TABLING OF THE PROTECTIVE, THE PUBLIC PROTECTION FACILITY RANGE FOR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO CONTRACT WITH AN OUTSIDE EXPERT.
AND UNTIL THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT RESUBMITS THEIR APPLICATION, THAT'S NOT A RESUBMITTAL OR A COMES BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION REQUEST THAT IT COME ON THE AGENDA AGAIN, REQUEST IT COMES BACK TO THE AGENDA.
AND IF I MIGHT SUGGEST, BECAUSE WHETHER THE BOARD CONTRACTS WITH AN OUTSIDE CONSULTANT IS REALLY, WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY WILL OR THEY WON'T, FRANKLY, AND RIGHT.
UM, SO A A SIMPLER MOTION MIGHT JUST BE, YOU KNOW, TO MOVE TO TABLE THIS ITEM UN UNTIL THE SHERIFF REQUESTS THAT IT BE BROUGHT BACK ON THE AGENDA.
HOW ABOUT I MOVE WHAT YOU SAID? DID I HEAR A SECOND?
WE'LL, WE'LL LEAVE IT THERE FOR THE RECORD IF THAT'S SUFFICIENT.
AND THEN YOU'LL JUST NEED A SECOND TO THAT.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF TABLING, PLEASE SAY AYE.
[VIII.A. SP2024-11-01_ Pavilion Development Co. - Site Plan - Convenience Store & Gas Station - This initial submission of the general concept plan for a proposed Convenience Store -Station Project located on on the southwest corner of the intersection of Diamond Ridge Rd. and Winchester Rd. (Rte.340/522N) in the County's Highway Corridor Overlay District HCOD). The property is identified as Tax Map #12N, parcel 1 and is zoned Commercial. This land-use is by-right in the commercial zoning district and a final site plan is required for review and approval by the Planning Commission when it has been completed and reviewed by County Planning Staff and outside agencies. This initial application with concept plan is a request by the applicant, Pavilion Development Company to waive the setbacks of the HCOD which is 100' to building and the parking setbacks which is 50' in order to have the flexibility for placement of the structure and parking on the site. The existing depth of the parcel is 240' and this would be prohibitive to the construction of the convenience store and fuel station canopy which are proposed to be 6,100 sq. ft. in total. The structures would be required to meet the property line setbacks for the zoning district and the concept plans show that they do. As stated in the applicant's statement of justification the proposed layout provides for site circulation, parallel road connectivity with adjacent parcels, and commercial development meeting the standards as set forth in the County Code, 180-27 and 180-29.1. The requested waiver to these setbacks is will not impact or negate the other standards set forth the HCOD ordinance and will be included as part of the final site plan when brought back to the Planning Commission. - Matt Wendling, Planning Director]
OUR NEXT ONE, I'M GONNA NEED SOMETHING TO DRINK TO READ THIS FOR A WHILE.THIS, THIS INITIAL SUBMISSION OF GENERAL CONCEPT PLAN FOR A PROPOSED CONVENIENCE STORE STATION PROJECT LOCATED ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION OF DIAMOND RIDGE ROAD AND WINCHESTER ROAD AND COUNTY'S HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT.
THE PROPERTY IS IDENTIFIED TAX MAP 12 N PARCEL ONE ZONE COMMERCIAL LAND USE IS BY RIGHT IN THE COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT.
AND THE FINAL SITE PLAN IS REQUIRED FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHEN IT HAS BEEN COMPLETED AND REVIEWED BY THE COUNTY PLANNING STAFF AND OUTSIDE AGENCIES.
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WITH CONCEPT PLAN IS A REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT PAVILION DEVELOPMENT COMPANY TO WAVE THE SETBACKS OF THE HCOD, WHICH IS A HUNDRED FEET BUILDING AND PARKING LOT SETBACK, WHICH IS 50 FEET.IN ORDER TO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY FOR PLACEMENT OF THE STRUCTURE AND THE PARKING ON THE SIDE, THE EXISTING DEPTH OF THE PARCEL IS 240 FEET.
AND THIS WOULD BE PROHIBITIVE IN CONSTRUCTION OF CONVENIENCE STORED FUEL STATION CANOPY, WHICH ARE PROPOSED TO BE 6,100 SQUARE FEET IN TOTAL STRUCTURE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO MEET THE PROPERTY LINE SETBACK FOR ZONING REQUIREMENT.
AND CONCEPT PLANS DO SHOW THAT THEY DO, AS STATED IN THE APPLICANT'S STATEMENT OF JUSTIFICATION, THE PROPOSED LAYOUT PROVIDES FOR SITE CIRCULATION, PARALLEL AND ROAD CONNECTIVITY, AND ADJACENT PARCELS AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT MEETING.
THE STANDARDS IS SET FORTH BY COUNTY CODE 180 DASH 27 AND 180 DASH 29.1.
THIS REQUESTED WAIVER FOR THESE SETBACKS THAT WILL NOT IMPACT OR NEGATE THE OTHER STANDARDS SET FORWARD IN THE HCOD ORDINANCE AND WILL BE INCLUDED AS PART OF THE FINAL SITE PLAN WHEN BROUGHT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, MR. WENDLING
UM, THE APPLICANTS, UH, CAME TO US, UM, BASICALLY REQUESTING THAT THIS BE BROUGHT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION PRIOR TO THEM MOVING FORWARD WITH THE, UM, APPLICATION, UH, AND SITE PLAN FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THESE PROPERTIES HAVE BEEN OWNED BY, UM, UH, MR. MARLOW AND, UH, LATE MR. MARLOW AND, AND MR. SALAK FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
THEY'VE HAD, UH, UH, SOME SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS, UH, RELATING TO TRANSPORTATION AND VDOT, UH, DONE TO 'EM.
UH, AS YOU CAN SEE BY THE, UH, THE OVERALL SITE PLAN IMAGE.
SOME OF THE, UH, DEDICATED RIGHT OF WAY WAS, WAS IN INPUT INPUT.
AND, UM, SO, UH, THEY'VE, THEY'VE RE THEY HAD, UH, SUBMITTED A SITE PLAN FOR A, UH, SELF STORAGE FACILITY A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, AND THAT DID NOT COME TO FRUITION.
SO, UM, THE PAVILION, UH, DEVELOPMENT COMPANY HAS COME FORWARD.
UH, THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO, UH, A RESTAURANT ON TWO OF THE PARCELS THERE TO THE SOUTH, UM, AND, AND THEN A CONVENIENCE STORE AND GAS STATION, UH, TO THE NORTH.
IN ORDER TO THEM, FOR THEM TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SITE PLANS, THEY WOULD NEED A, A WAIVER TO THE, UH, HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT FOR SETBACKS FOR PARKING AND FOR THE BUILDING SETBACKS.
UH, BUILDING SETBACKS ARE A HUNDRED FEET, UH, AND, AND FROM THAT WOULD BE FROM WINCHESTER ROAD, AND THE PARKING SETBACKS ARE 50 FEET.
UM, BOTH LOCATIONS DO NOT ENCROACH INTO THE UNDERLYING ZONING DISTRICT SETBACK.
SO IT'S, IT WON'T REQUIRE A-A-A-A-B-Z-A ACTION FOR IT.
BUT, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, THROUGH THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT CODE IS AUTHORIZED TO WAIVE THESE, THESE SETBACKS.
UM, I HAVE MET WITH THE, UH, APPLICANT AND, UH, HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THEIR, UH, ENGINEERS AND THEIR TRAFFIC ENGINEER, AND WE DID HAVE A SCOPING MEETING WITH, UH, VDOT ON TUESDAY RELATING TO, UH, THE TRAFFIC SIGNALIZATION THERE SIGNAL, UH, SIGNAL JUSTIFICATION REPORT THAT WOULD NEED TO BE SUBMITTED TO VDOT AND, UH, TO THE RICHMOND OFFICE, UM, FOR TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS, UH, TO THAT THIS WAS NOT, THIS AREA WAS NOT IN, IN INCLUDED IMMEDIATELY WITHIN THE STARS, UH, SAFETY STUDY THAT WAS DONE.
THAT WAS THE AREA FOR THAT WAS FROM GUARD HILL ROAD UP TO, UH, COUNTRY CUB, UH, ROAD AND, AND CROOKED RUN PLAZA.
BUT ONE OF THE INNOVATED SOLUTIONS, UH, INTERSECTION SOLUTIONS FOR THAT PROJECT THAT WAS PROPOSED, UM, DID INCLUDE SOME OF THE, UH, UH, A WHAT, WHAT THEY WOULD CALL AN R CUT THAT WOULD ENCROACH UP TO AND, UH, UH, PRETTY MUCH KIND OF IN FRONT OF THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT HERE.
SO, UH, THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING WITH HIS ENGINEER.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THEM, AND THEY CAN GIVE YOU A BIGGER PICTURE OVERVIEW OF, UH, OF WHAT THEY'RE HOPING TO DO AND WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO AND WHY THEY'RE DOING THIS, UH, PRIOR TO THE SITE PLAN, SUBMITTING SUBMITTAL.
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GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.I'M GEORGE SHIELD 56 0 5 CARNEGIE BOULEVARD, CHARLOTTE, NORTH CAROLINA.
FIRST THING I'D LIKE TO DO IS THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
I WAS A PLANNING COMMISSIONER MYSELF FOR SEVEN AND A HALF YEARS WHEN CHARLOTTE MECKLENBURG WAS IN THE TOP 10 FASTEST GROWING PLACES IN AMERICA.
AND, UH, MY DAUGHTER WHO WENT INTO CITY PLANNING, UH, USED TO WATCH ME LATE INTO THE NIGHT, UH, LISTENING TO, UM, CASES.
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK, UH, EMILY MARLOW, BECK AND MIKE S BACK HERE BEHIND ME, UH, WHO, UH, HAVE BEEN LONGTIME STAKEHOLDERS IN THIS COMMUNITY AND, UM, OWN THIS PROPERTY FOR MANY YEARS, AND ARE TRUSTING US TO DO A GOOD JOB WITH IT.
UH, AS WE KNOW YOU ARE AS WELL, OUR ENGINEER, CHRIS HOWELL, WITH KIMLEY HORN IS HERE THIS EVENING.
HE CAN ANSWER ANY SPECIFIC TECHNICAL QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
UH, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THANK MATT AND HIS STAFF WHO HAVE, UH, ANSWERED EVERY PHONE CALL, ARRANGED EVERY MEETING, AND, UH, BEEN, UH, ABSOLUTELY PROFESSIONAL AND ALSO VERY PLEASANT TO WORK WITH.
UM, OUR INTENTION WITH THIS PROPERTY IS TO, UH, LOCATE ON THE, THE SOUTH, UH, PARCELS, WHICH WOULD ACTUALLY BE UNITS TWO AND THREE.
IT WAS, IT'S A CONDOMINIUM PROPERTY WITH UNIT ONE, WHERE THE GAS STATION IS TWO AND THREE BEHIND IT, UM, UH, ALONG WINCHESTER ROAD.
AND THEN UNIT FOUR IS THE CONDO PROPERTY, UH, THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY PLANNED FOR A STORAGE FACILITY.
OUR PLAN IS TO, UH, LOCATE A, UH, SHEETS GAS STATION ON UNIT ONE AND A CHICK-FIL-A, UH, ON UNITS TWO AND THREE.
UM, WE ARE IN THE LATER STAGES OF LEASE NEGOTIATIONS.
UH, OBVIOUSLY I'M NOT GONNA SIGN A LEASE WITH SOMEONE ON A PROPERTY.
WE DON'T HAVE PERMISSION TO, UH,
SO, UH, THIS IS, UH, ONE OF THE, THE ELEMENTAL, UH, HURDLES THAT WE NEED TO GET OVER TO FINISH OUR, OUR LEASES AND EXECUTE THOSE AND THEN PURSUE APPROVALS PURSUANT TO THE PROCESS THAT YOU ALL HAVE HERE IN WARREN COUNTY.
UH, THE WAIVER AS MATT AS, UH, MATT POINTED OUT IS BECAUSE THE SITE IS SEVERELY CONSTRAINED BY THE FACT THAT IT, UH, IT'S VERY SHALLOW.
UH, THE, THE DRIVEWAY AND THE WAY THE CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION WAS, WAS, UH, ENVISIONED TO INCORPORATE A LARGE PARCEL IN THE BACK, UH, MADE, MAKES A SITE VERY SHALLOW FOR USES THAT HAVE A HIGH DEGREE OF VEHICLE CIRCULATION REQUIREMENTS.
SO THE REQUEST FOR THE WAIVER IS SO THAT WE CAN PROPERLY POSITION THE BUILDINGS ON THE SITE.
UM, I, I THINK THAT THE, WITH WITH THAT FLEXIBILITY AND THESE SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY THESE TENANTS, SO, UH, WE, WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE, UH, SPIRITUALLY IN THE SAME PLACE WITH THEM.
I WOULD SAY I BELIEVE THIS USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CORRIDOR, UH, WHERE THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED.
I THINK THAT OUR, UM, AND I WILL ALSO SAY IN VIEW OF YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THAT AS WELL.
I NOTICED THAT, UH, WHEN THE PLAN WAS UP.
UM, JUST FOR REFERENCE, UH, CHICK-FIL-A TYPICAL CHICK-FIL-A EMPLOYS BETWEEN 120 AND 150 PEOPLE.
UH, EACH SHEET'S LOCATION ADDS ABOUT 35 PEOPLE TO THE SHEET'S PAYROLL.
NOW BOTH ORGANIZATIONS, I THINK ARE WELL KNOWN FOR BEING GOOD OPERATORS.
THEY'RE SIGNING LONG-TERM GROUND LEASES.
THEY WILL HAVE SUBSTANTIAL SUMS INVESTED IN THESE LOCATIONS, WHICH I'M SURE THEY WOULD NOT BE, UH, INTERESTED IN WALKING AWAY FROM.
UM, THEY DO PROMOTE FROM WITHIN.
THEY OFFER EXCELLENT BENEFITS.
THEY HIRE LOCAL PEOPLE AND PROMOTE THEM.
SO YOU MAY FIND YOU'VE GOT SOMEBODY OUT HERE WORKING IN ONE OF THESE STORES AFTER WE GET 'EM BUILT AND 10 YEARS LATER, 20 YEARS LATER, UH, THEY COME BACK TO TOWN AND SAY, HEY, I NOW HAVE ONE OF MY OWN NEXT COUNTY OVER.
SO I THINK IN THAT WAY, UH, THEY'RE, UH, DOING SOMETHING VERY POSITIVE, UH, ECONOMICALLY IN THE COMMUNITY.
AS MATT POINTED OUT, UH, THE VOT SIGNALIZATION PROCESS IS UNDERWAY.
I THINK THAT IF WE ARE SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING
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THAT APPROVED, WHICH ALL INDICATIONS ARE THAT WE WILL BE, I THINK THE SIGNAL SIGNALIZATION THERE AT WINCHESTER ROAD, UH, WILL HELP OUT WITH SOME OF THE EXISTING TRAFFIC PROBLEMS. IT WILL ALSO HELP, I BELIEVE, CREATE A GOOD, UH, CIRCULATION, UH, AROUND THE PROPERTIES WITH, UH, EMERALD LANE SERVING AS A PARALLEL NEIGHBORHOOD CIRCULATING DRIVEWAY, UH, WHICH DOES HELP WITH THE TRAFFIC ALONG WINCHESTER ROAD.UM, I WOULD ALSO, UH, LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT, UM, UH, THAT WE ARE READY TO, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AND THAT, UM, I BELIEVE IT'S REASONABLE AND IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST, AND I WOULD ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL.
ANY QUESTIONS? NOT AT THIS TIME.
IF THE, WE'LL THANK YOU MR. THANK CHAIR.
UH, AGAIN, UH, WE ARE JUST WAITING FOR DIRECTION AND, UH, THIS APPROVAL, UH, IF YOU'RE, IF IT'S YOUR WISH FOR THE WAIVER, UM, UM, SOME OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE HAS BEEN PUT IN PLACE BY THE PREVIOUS OWNER FOR THE VDOT AND THAT HAS KIND OF IMPACTED SOME OF THE, THE SETBACK FROM WHAT WE WOULD CALL THE EDGE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO, UM, AND DUE TO THE SIZE OF THIS, UH, THESE PARCELS, UM, IT WOULD, UH, BENEFIT THEM TO HAVE THAT WAIVER GRANTED IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO FIT THE STRUCTURES AND THE PARKING, UH, WITHIN THE AREAS AS SHOWN.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT MAKES SENSE TO ME.
WELL, UM, QUESTION FOR STAFF, I THINK IT'S 15 FEET IS THE SETBACK, UM, FOR THE UNDERLYING, UNDERLYING COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, UM, DOES THAT, UH, INCLUDE PARKING? BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE RIGHT NOW IT'S AT LEAST FOR THE GAS STATION, JUST, JUST A LITTLE MORE THAN 10 FEET.
AGAIN, UH, THAT WOULD BE FOR THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE, I BELIEVE.
AND, AND DO WE HAVE, UM, MAYBE MR. LENS COULD ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
THE ZONING DISTRICT REGULATIONS WILL HAVE, UH, INHERENT BUILDING SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, UM, SIDE FRONT REAR YOUR TYPICAL SETBACKS.
UH, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE ARE SPECIFICALLY THE SETBACKS LISTED IN THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT.
UM, SO BASICALLY THAT, THAT CODE REQUIRES A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK FROM THE CORRIDOR FOR BUILDINGS AND A 50 FOOT SETBACK FOR PARKING AREAS.
AND, UH, THE UNDERLYING ZONING DISTRICT HAS NO SETBACK FOR PARKING AREAS.
AND, UH, THE BUILDING WOULD BE A 50 FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT.
AND SO THE 15 WOULD JUST BE FROM THE SIDE, THE, SO YEAH, IT DEPENDS ON, UH, THE RIGHT OF WAY, UH, SITUATION.
UH, THE 50 FOOT SETBACK SHOULD APPLY FROM ALL RIGHT, OF WAYS OF THE UNDERLYING ZONING DISTRICT.
THIS WILL BE THE FOURTH GAS STATION WITHIN ONE MILE.
AND YOU'RE, YOU'VE ALREADY BEEN TALKING WITH SHEETS AND THEY KNOW THIS ADDRESS.
UH, WE ARE IN FINAL LEASE NEGOTIATIONS.
SO THEY, THEY KNOW THE ADDRESS AND THEY KNOW THEY GOT A LARGER STORE SIX MILES DOWN THE ROAD.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE AWARE OF ALL OF THAT AND WOULD LIKE TO SIGN A LEASE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
PRE COMPETITION'S GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY.
I, I KNOW IT HELPS CUSTOMER SERVICE, QUALITY OF SERVICE.
IT'S VERY GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY.
IF YOU ONLY HAD ONE GAS STATION, THEY COULD CHARGE YOU WHAT THEY WANTED TO AND PROVIDE WHATEVER SERVICE THEY FELT LIKE.
THEY STILL DO
UM, UH, JUST ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, IN, IN LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN FOR THE GAS STATION, YOU KNOW, THEY SHOW THE A HUNDRED FOOT BUILDING SETBACK, UM, AND THEIR, THEIR BUILDING IS, IS JUST SHY OF MEETING THAT SETBACK.
IT'S NOT A HUGE, IT'S NOT A HUGE CHANGE.
I DON'T THINK IT, IT'S NOT, BUT, YOU KNOW, THEN I THINK WE NEED TO ASK THE QUESTION OF WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE HIGHWAY OVERLAY DISTRICT? AND IF, IF WE HAVE A REGULATION THAT WE ARE JUST GOING TO, YOU KNOW, WAIVE ANYTIME SOMEBODY ASKS AND WHAT, WHAT IS THE POINT OF US HAVING THOSE SETBACKS TO BEGIN WITH? ALRIGHT.
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IF YOU WANNA DO AWAY WITH THE REGULATION, THAT'S FINE,I MEAN, AT SOME POINT SOMEBODY CAME UP WITH THESE SETBACKS AS BEING IMPORTANT IN THE HIGHWAY DISTRICT, AND I IMAGINE BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE A LOT OF ACTIVITY ALONG A ROAD WHERE CARS ARE GONNA BE GOING AT SPEED.
WELL, THE, UH, TO, FOR THE GAS STATION TO OPERATE PROPERLY.
YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS A WAREHOUSE BUILDING, YOU'D WANT IT SHOVED TO THE BACK, MAYBE ALL THE PARKING'S IN THE FRONT OR SOMETHING PINNING ON.
BUT FOR PARTICULARLY FOR A GAS STATION, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC FLOW OR IF IT'S A RESTAURANT TO DRIVE THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THE ABILITY TO DRIVE AROUND THE BUILDING WILL ACTUALLY MAKE IT SAFER YEAH.
SO, SO IT'S A, UM, THE TYPE OF BUSINESS, TO ME, IT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S A BETTER FLOW.
I, I GUESS IN MY MIND IT IS SO CLOSE TO MEETING THAT A HUNDRED FOOT, WHY CAN'T, WELL, I DON'T KNOW, YOU MOVE IT BACK FIVE FOOT, MAYBE YOU DON'T, MAYBE V NOT SAYS THAT THAT ENTRANCE COMING OFF OF THAT ROAD'S TOO CLOSE TO THAT BUILDING.
SO NOW YOU GOTTA BRING EVERYTHING IN THROUGH THE FRONT.
I MEAN, IF IT'S ONLY FOOT, IN OTHER WORDS, YEAH.
THE SAME THING IN MY JOB IS IT'S WELL SAT BACK STUFF A HUNDRED FOOT IS A GOOD ROUND NUMBER, BUT 97 FEET IS NOT GOING TO HARM THE ENVIRONMENT, YOU KNOW, SO, BUT, BUT IF WE, I'M JUST SAYING IF WE HAVE THE NUMBER, THEN THERE NEEDS TO BE A PRETTY GOOD REASON TO NOT FOLLOW THE NUMBER.
I I GET THE PARKING, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, WELL, THE REASON WAS FOR THE FLOW AROUND THE BUILDING, I, I THINK IN THE APPLICANT'S, UH, APPLICATION, IT WAS ALSO THE, JUST THE SIZING OF THE LOT ITSELF TO MEET ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S NECESSARY FOR, UM, NOT JUST THE BUILDING, BUT THE GAS STATION CANOPY AND, UH, AND THE PARKING AREAS.
SO I, I THINK THAT WOULD BE, IN THESE PARTICULAR CASES, THE JUSTIFICATION OF, YOU KNOW, THE SITE PLAN WILL STILL NEED TO BE APPROVED.
AND WE WOULD REVIEW THE SITE PLAN, RIGHT? OH YEAH.
SO THE SITE PLAN, SO SETBACKS AS, AS MR. LEN MENTIONED, THE SETBACKS, UNDERLYING ZONING SETBACKS WOULD BE REVIEWED AT THAT TIME TO VERIFY THAT THEY MEET THE, UH, MET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT.
AND WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, GIVE THEM OUR COMMENTS RELATING TO THAT.
UM, THIS IS AGAIN, UH, FOR, UH, THE CORRIDOR OVERLAY.
WHICH IS JUST BASICALLY A HIGHER STANDARD.
UM, BUT YES, WE HAVE HAD A HISTORY OF, OF WAIVING.
I GUESS MY, MY BIGGER ISSUE HERE IS REALLY WITH THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT AND, YOU KNOW, WHY DO WE CREATE THESE SETBACKS THAT WE THEN WAVE? YOU KNOW, IT REALLY ANY, IT SEEMS LIKE ANYTIME SOMEBODY ASKS, WELL, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS TOO, THAT SLOW DOWN LANE THAT, UH, WAS PUT IN THERE FOR THE, UH, CR RUN RETAIL.
SO THEY HAVE, YOU GOT, UH, RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE STORE, YOU CAN SEE THE HASH MARKS.
THAT'S A PULL OFF LANE TO GET INTO BEHIND ROYAL KING AND BACK INTO WHERE THE SEVEN 11 IS.
AND THERE'S ANOTHER SLOW DOWN LANE THAT SPLITS OFF RIGHT THERE THAT GOES INTO THE CROOKED RUN RETAIL, SO THAT YOU GOT A LOT OF SPACE THAT WAS TAKEN OUT OF THE ROADWAY.
THEY OVERBUILT THE ROAD THERE RIGHT AWAY, BUT THE TRAFFIC IS WAY OFF FRONT.
THEY, THEY OVERBUILT THE ROAD THERE A LITTLE BIT AND STOLE SOME OF THEIR LOT TOO.
THEY STOLE A LOT OF IT THAT THEY DIDN'T NEED TO.
I DRIVE PAST IT TWO TIMES A DAY AND I LOOK AT THAT AND GO, WHY IS ALL THAT PAPER, WHY ARE THEY DOING THAT? IT'S JUST SITTING LIMIT, LIMIT.
THE REASON WE, MIKE, EXCUSE ME, CAN YOU COME UP AND SAY YEAH, PLEASE.
YEAH, FOR THE RECORD FOR US, PLEASE, JUST SO THAT WE CAN PICK IT UP.
IT'S, IT'S HARD TO AND IDENTIFY YOURSELF, PLEASE.
MIKE S 300 LOCUS TAIL ROAD IN FRONT BOY.
UM, THE REASON, UM, WE'VE HAD THIS SHRINKAGE OF THE LOT WE DONATED.
HOW, HOW MANY FEET IN THE BACK NOW? UH, IT WAS INITIALLY 60, BUT THEN IT WAS, UH, IT DROPPED DOWN THE 50 THAT YOU REQUESTED IT.
SO THERE'S A 50 FOOT, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, DEDICATION FOR THE PARALLEL CONNECTOR.
UM, WE WILLINGLY DID THAT, OBVIOUSLY, AND YOU WOULDN'T HAVE APPROVED THE DEVELOPMENT IF WE HADN'T.
SO, UM, IN ADDITION, WE PUT, UM, QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS OUT FRONT IN ROAD IMPROVEMENTS TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR.
SO YES, WE'RE SAYING THAT NOBODY, WE APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE FOR US UP,
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UP TO THIS POINT.I, THE ONE I WAS NOTICING, IT DOES NOT APPEAR THAT THIS IS GONNA BE ONE OF THOSE SHEETS THAT HAS A DRIVE THROUGH.
I DID LOOK IN THE PARKING LOT LAYOUT, JUST VERIFYING, UH, I'M GONNA TAKE THAT AS A QUESTION SO I CAN ANSWER SOMETHING
YOU BRING UP A GREAT POINT ON THE THREE FEET.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE DEPTH OF THOSE PARKING SPACES, WHICH IS OF COURSE, THAT'S A BUILDING STANDARDS REQUIREMENT THAT PARKING SPACES ARE A CERTAIN WIDTH AND LENGTH, AND THE DRIVE, UH, CIRCULATION BEHIND THE BUILDING, IF YOU, IF YOU PUSH THAT BACK THREE FEET, YOU LOSE PROBABLY HALF THE PARKING SPACES THAT ARE THERE.
AND THEN THAT CREATES AN OPERATIONAL ISSUE FOR THE TENANT.
AND NOT ONLY AN OPERATIONAL ISSUE FOR THE TENANT, BUT I THINK IT DOES NOT SERVE THE PUBLIC INTEREST TO HAVE PROPERTIES THAT ARE OPERATIONALLY UNDER PARK, BECAUSE THEN THOSE CARS GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.
THAT, SO I AGREE WITH YOU, THAT IS A DEPARTURE FROM, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS TO BEGIN WITH, BUT I THINK IT'S A VERY DI MINIMUS IMPACT VERSUS LOSING A ROW OF PARKING AND THEN HAVING AN OPERATIONAL ISSUE.
SO I JUST POINT THAT OUT, UH, MR. CHAIR TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY'VE ALREADY DEDICATED, UM, PART OF THE PROPERTY TO A ROAD.
I MEAN, THAT, THAT DEFINITELY CHANGES MY THINKING IN THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY PROBABLY HAD THE, THE AREA TO, TO BEAT THE SETBACKS BEFORE, BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY ROAD, THEY GAVE THAT UP SO WE COULD, WE COULD HAVE A ROAD.
HOWEVER, DOMAIN I, I DO STILL HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT, AND I WOULD LIKE US TO REVISIT THAT AT ANOTHER TIME, BUT, OKAY.
I WOULD MENTION WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL, WE'LL, UH, IDENTIFY WHICH PARCELS AND WHICH BUSINESSES THAT RECEIVE THAT, UM, THAT WE'RE AWARE OF, AND WE CAN BRING THAT FORWARD TO YOU AS POTENTIALLY AMEND THAT ORDINANCE AT SOME POINT IN TIME.
AND THIS IS CLOSE ENOUGH TO THE LIGHT TRAFFIC AT THAT POINT IS DOWN TO 45 MILES AN HOUR.
COMING UP THAT HILL THERE, JUST FROM THAT OFFICE, FROM OF THAT OFFICE, THE APPLICANT'S ENGINEERS ARE CURRENTLY, UM, AS PART OF THE SCOPING, WE'LL BE DOING SOME SPEED STUDIES IN RELATION TO THAT IN THIS AREA.
UM, IN ORDER TO SUBMIT THEIR, UH, SIGNAL JUSTIFICATION REPORT AND, UH, APPLICATION TO VI SPEED, WE MAY PREPARED FOR A MOTION OR FURTHER COMMENTS.
I CAN DO A MOTION, IF IT'S OKAY, PLEASE DO IT.
I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVE THE REQUEST TO WAIVE THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT FRONT YARD SETBACK REQUIREMENT FOR A SITE PLAN FOR PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT OF THE STRUCTURE AND THE PARKING AREA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? A, AYE, AYE.
[VIII.B. SP2024-11-02 Pavilion Development Co. - Site Plan Restaurant with Drive-Thru - This initial submission of the general concept plan for a proposed Restaurant with Drive-Thru Project located on on the corners of the intersection of Overview Look Drive, Emerald Lane and Winchester Rd. (Rte.340/522N) in the County's Highway Corridor Overlay District HCOD). The properties are identified as Tax Map #12N, parcels 2 and 3 and are zoned Commercial. This land-use is by-right in the commercial zoning district and a final site plan is required for review and approval by the Planning Commission when it has been completed and reviewed by County Planning Staff and outside agencies. This initial application with concept plan is a request by the applicant, Pavilion Development Company to waive the setbacks of the HCOD which is 100' to building and the parking setbacks which is 50' in order to have the flexibility for placement of the structure and parking on the site. The existing depth of the parcel is 240' to 80' and this would be prohibitive to the construction of the Restaurant with Drive-Thru which are proposed to be 5,200 sq. ft. in total. The structures would be required to meet the property line setbacks for the zoning district and the concept plans show that they do. As stated in the applicant's statement of justification the proposed layout provides for site circulation, parallel road connectivity with adjacent parcels, and commercial development meeting the standards as set forth in the County Code, 180-27 and 180-29.1. The requested waiver to these setbacks will not impact or negate the other standards set forth the HCOD ordinance and will be included as part of the final site plan when brought back to the Planning Commission. - Matt Wendling, Planning Director]
NEXT ITEM, HALF A SHEET AGAIN.WELL, I, I, I, THESE ARE TWO SEPARATE ITEMS. I, I BROKE 'EM APART, SO WE WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE ONE FOR THE RESTAURANT.
UH, IT'S IF YOU KNOW, JUST IN CASE YOU WANNA STAY FOR THAT.
SP 20 24 11 0 2 PAVILION DEVELOPMENT COMPANY, SITE PLAN RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE THROUGH THIS INITIAL SUB MISSION OF THE GENERAL CONCEPT PLAN FOR PROPOSED RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE THROUGH PROJECT IS LOCATED ON THE CORNERS OF THE INTERSECTION OVERVIEW LOOK, DRIVE, EMERALD DRIVE AND WINCHESTER ROAD AND THE COUNTY'S HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT.
THE PROPERTIES ARE IDENTIFIED AS TAX MAP 12 N PARCELS TWO AND THREE AND ARE ZONE COMMERCIAL LAND USE IS BY RIGHT AND COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT.
AND THE FINAL SITE PLANS ARE REQUIRED FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHEN IT HAS BEEN COMPLETED AND REVIEWED BY THE COUNTY PLANNING STAFF AND OUTSIDE AGENCIES.
THIS INITIAL APPLICATION OF CONCEPT PLAN IS A REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT PAVILION DEVELOPMENT COMPANY TO WAVE THE SETBACKS AND THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT, WHICH IS A HUNDRED FOOT BUILDING AND THE PARKING SETBACK, WHICH IS 50 FEET.
IN ORDER TO HAVE FLEXIBILITY FOR PLACEMENT OF THE STRUCTURE AND THE PARKING ON THE SIDE, THE EXISTING DEPTH OF THE PARCEL IS 240 FEET BY 80 FEET.
AND THIS WOULD BE PROHIBITIVE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF REST RESTAURANTS DRIVE THROUGH WHEN PROPOSED TO BE 5,200 SQUARE FEET.
IN TOTAL, THE STRUCTURES WOULD BE REQUIRED TO MEET THE PROPERTY LINE SETBACK FOR THE ZONING DISTRICT.
AND CONCEPT PLANS SHOW THAT THEY DO, AS STATED, THE APPLICANT'S STATEMENT OF JUSTIFICATION, THE PROPERTY LAYOUT PROVIDES FOR SITE CIRCULATION, PARALLEL ROAD CONNECTIVITY WITH ADJACENT PARCELS AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT,
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MEETING THE STANDARDS AS SET FORTH IN THE COUNTY CODE 180 DASH 27 AND 180 DASH 29.1.THE REQUESTED WAIVER OF THIS SETBACKS WILL NOT IMPACT OR NEGATE THE OTHER STANDARDS SET FORTH BY THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT IN ACCORDANCE WILL BE INCLUDED AS PART OF THE FINAL SITE PLAN.
WHEN BROUGHT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, MR. WEDLEY, I'LL, I'LL SHORTEN THESE IN THE AGENDA.
MY APOLOGIES THAT THAT SHOULD BE, UH, BE IN A STAFF REPORT.
SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DISCUSSED ON, UM, PARCEL ONE.
THIS, THIS ONE INCLUDES ACTUALLY TWO PARCELS, I BELIEVE, UH, TWO AND THREE.
AND, UM, IT WILL HAVE THAT DRIVE THROUGH, UM, UH, GOING AROUND THE, UM, PERIMETER OF THE STRUCTURE IN THE PARKING AREAS AS YOU CAN SEE.
SO IT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IN LAYOUT AND, UH, CERTAINLY A DIFFERENT USE.
BUT, UM, THE, SOME OF THE SIMILARITIES IS THE, THE LOT SIZE WHICH ARE, UH, CAN IMPACT THAT OVERALL SITE PLAN.
SO, UM, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAD BEFORE THIS, THIS SITE ALSO HAD, UH, ROAD IMPROVEMENTS DONE, UH, BY THE, BY THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTIES.
AND THOSE ARE SHOWN IN THE CONCEPT PLAN AS YOU SEE, SAME SITUATION RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
PLEASE MOVE THAT THE PLAN OF COMMISSION WAIVED THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY SETBACK REQUIREMENTS BE WAIVED FOR THE SITE PLAN AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROJECT FOR THE STRUCTURES AND THE PARKING AREA.
[IX. Consent Agenda]
NEXT TO THE CONSENT AGENDA, AUTHORIZATION TO ADVERTISE.ONLY QUESTION I'VE GOT ON IT IS ITEM C.
WHAT KIND OF ADULT BUSINESS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA QUESTION
WHAT THAT I, IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY COMING OUT OF THE BLUE FOR YOU GUYS TO HAVE THIS.
SO WOULD YOU LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND? SURE, SURE.
OUR PERSPECTIVE IN, IN LOOKING AT, AT YOUR ORDINANCE AND SOME ORDINANCE FOR OTHER CLIENTS AS WELL, IS THAT ABSENT ANY SPECIFIC DEFINITION OF AN ADULT BUSINESS, THAT THEY WOULD FIT GENERALLY INTO, FOR EXAMPLE, THE DEFINITION OF RETAIL.
AND YOU CURRENTLY ALLOW RETAIL BY RIGHT.
IN SOME OF YOUR DISTRICTS AND SPECIAL USE IN OTHERS, AND THERE'S NO DISTINCTION THAT'S MADE WITH RESPECT TO ADULT BUSINESSES.
AND SO IF TODAY YOU HAD SOMEONE WHO WANTED TO OPEN A PARTICULAR TYPE OF ADULT BUSINESS, WE WOULDN'T REALLY HAVE A LOT THAT WE COULD DO IN ORDER TO CONTROL THAT.
SO WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS A DEFINITION OF WHAT AN ADULT BUSINESS IS, AND THEN, UH, RESTRICTING THAT TO ONLY BE BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT IN, IN CERTAIN DISTRICTS.
WE ARE NOT ALLOWED UNDER THE LAW TO JUST COMPLETELY BAN ADULT BUSINESSES ENTIRELY FROM THE COUNTY.
UH, AND, AND SO WHAT WE ARE DOING IS REGULATING THEM, UH, IN A MANNER THAT'S ENFORCEABLE AND APPROPRIATE.
UH, CURRENTLY THEY'RE NOT REGULATED.
I ACTUALLY READ IT AND I WAS LIKE, BUSINESSES, I GOT IDEAS ABOUT THOSE, BUT IT'S NOT DEFINED
WELL, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE ENABLING THEM, BUT IN EFFECT THE, THE WHERE YOU'RE SITTING IF THEY'RE ALREADY ENABLED AND WE'RE REGULATING THEM.
UH, MR. CHAIR, I MOVE THAT, UM, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
OPPOSED? SENATE AGENDAS APPROVED
[X. Commission Matters]
COMMISSION MATTERS, MR. WENDLING.WELL, UM, I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN THROUGH, UH, OUR INITIAL, UH, PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UH, I DON'T THINK WE'RE TOO SURPRISED.
I THINK, UH, IT WAS ACTUALLY PRETTY PRODUCTIVE AND LAST EVENING'S MEETING A JOINT MEETING WITH THE BOARD AND THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH, I FEEL WAS VERY PRODUCTIVE.
WE'VE GOTTEN SOME GOOD COMMENTS ON THAT.
UM, WE WILL JUST MOVE FORWARD AS, UH, DISCUSSED DURING THOSE, UH, UH, UH, TALKS.
AND, UM, UH, WE WILL, UH, REVIEW ALL COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVE AND, UM, UH, IF THEY ARE THINGS THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY ADD TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE'LL LOOK AT THAT AND WE'LL CERTAINLY MAKE, UH, UH, CONSIDER ALL OF BOARDS AND PLANNING COMMISSION'S COMMENTS, UH, RELATING TO THAT.
UM, I WOULD SAY, AND IF THIS WOULD BE FINE WITH, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, I STILL, I, I, WE HAVE THESE TWO OPTIONS FOR THE CORRIDOR, WHICH, UM, IF
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WE COULD POTENTIALLY BRING THEM FORWARD.UM, I THINK THE ONE OPTION, UH, WE WILL HAVE TO KIND OF, I, I WOULD LIKE TO KIND OF HEAR FROM THE, THE APPLICANTS WHO HAVE THEIR REZONING TABLED, UM, AND, UH, WE'LL HEAR FOR THEM, PROBABLY TALK TO THEM.
UM, THEY HAVE REQUESTED THROUGH, UM, CHAIRMAN COLORS TO HAVE THAT TABLING EXTENDED.
SO MAYBE, UH, WITH THAT WE CAN GET SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THAT, AND THEN AT LEAST YOU'LL HAVE IT THERE.
UM, AND WE WILL CONSIDER ANY OF THE OTHER SITES THAT WE HAVE LOOKED AT, UM, FOR CHANGING THAT FUTURE LAND USE.
UM, AS WE ARE PROPOSING, UH, IT'S NOT, I THINK WE HAVE TO JUST, UH, CLARIFY TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC THAT THIS IS NOT A REZONING, IT'S JUST ALLOWS IT FOR IT TO BE A GUIDE TO YOU AS, UH, UH, FUTURE LAND USE.
SO WE'LL TRY AND CLARIFY THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER IN, IN THE FUTURE WITH, UH, THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
BUT, UM, IN ANY CASE, UM, I, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR, YOUR COMMENTS AND YOUR CONSIDERATIONS AND OF THE, OF THE PLAN ITSELF, COMMISSION MEMBERS, ALL YOU GOT ANYTHING? UH, NOTHING FOR ME, SCOTT, ON THE, UH, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AFTER LAST NIGHT'S MEETING, IS THERE A PLACE THERE THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO PUT SOMETHING ABOUT INNER TO WORK ON INNER COUNTY, UH, COORDINATION, LIKE THE REGIONAL JAIL, REGIONAL COORDINATION, I GUESS FOR LIKE, THE SHOOTING RANGE FACILITY TRAINING FACILITY FOR TRAINING FACILITY FOR TRAINING FACILITIES? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
IN COMMUNITY FACILITIES, UH, THERE IS AN OBJECTIVE THAT WAS ADDED, UM, WHEN WE RECEIVED UPDATES FROM THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT ADDING TO THE OBJECTIVES FOR THIS TRAINING FACILITY.
SO WE CAN ABSOLUTELY ADD UNDER THERE.
UM, ADD THAT UNDER THERE FOR SURE.
SO, AND ALSO IN LOOKING AT, UM, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, UH, TRAINING AND QUALIFICATION REQUIREMENTS, I FOUND THAT THERE'S A LITTLE, UH, UH, ORGANIZATION THAT ACTUALLY RATES ALL THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS.
IT'S CALLED THE ISO, UH, RATING.
AND THIS IS USED BY THE INSURANCE COMPANIES TO EVALUATE THE, UH, THE QUALITY OF EMERGENCY RESPONSE WITHIN THE COUNTIES OR THE DISTRICTS.
UH, BEING A MEMBER OF USAA FOR 41 YEARS, THEY, THEY ACTUALLY GOT, I WAS ABLE TO TALK TO ONE OF THEIR ACTUATORS AND, UH, TO FIND OUT, YOU KNOW, HOW DID THEY EVALUATE IT? WHEN THEY LOOK AT THIS RATING, WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO THEM? SO, UH, WE GOT A FAIR RATING RIGHT NOW PER USAA, UH, BOTH WITH FIRE AND, AND UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY BREAK THAT DOWN BY COUNTY OR IF IT'S BROKEN DOWN FURTHER, BUT THAT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT, YEAH, I'M WILLING TO THROW TIME AT AND TO ACTUALLY, UH, SEE WHAT WE CAN GET GOING.
I GUESS SOME IDEAS CAN GRAB CHERYL AFTERWARDS.
IF YOU'RE COMING FROM LINDEN TOWARD FRONT ROYAL, UP AT THE TOP OF THAT HILL, THERE'S, BEFORE YOU GET TO THAT INTERSECTION, THERE'S YELLOW LIGHTS FLASHING NOW, AND THERE'S A MESSAGE BOARD THAT'S ON EVERY NOW AND THEN THAT SAYS, WATCH FOR STOP VEHICLES.
BUT IN MY MIND, THAT'S STILL JUST A BANDAID.
NOW I REALIZE THOUGH WHAT THE EXPENSE WOULD BE WITH THE CURRENT INTERSECTION TO WIDEN THAT AT HIGH KNOB V DOT'S GOING TO WALK, TURNING LANES EACH DIRECTION.
SO THE ROAD WOULD HAVE TO GET WIDER AND EVERYTHING, BUT IT IS A HELP.
THAT, UH, INTERSECTION IS, UH, WAS A SMART SCALE PROJECT.
I WANT TO SAY 2024, NO, 2022 I BELIEVE.
AND IT'S A SIX YEAR SIX YEAR PLAN.
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LIKE EVERYTHING THAT WE SUBMITTED THIS YEAR FOR 2024 IS 2026 MM-HMM.SO IT WAS ACCEPTED, IT WAS SCORED.
SO IT IS IN THAT PIPELINE FOR VDOT, FOR THE SMART SCALE.
CAN YOU WAIT SIX YEARS? I, I CAN, BUT I HOPE THAT THE MESSAGE BOARD DOESN'T PUSH IT OFF ANOTHER 20.
WELL, YEAH, I, I'M NOT SURE, UH UH AND HOW THAT GOT THERE.
I'M SURE THERE WAS ENOUGH PRESSURE AND, AND MM-HMM.
UM, YES, IT IS A DANGEROUS INTERSECTION AND, AND, UM, BECAUSE OF THE, THE DENSITY OF A HIGH KNOB NOW.
SO THAT'S THE BEST I CAN GIVE YOU AT THIS TIME.
BUT WE CAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY LET, UH,
THE ONLY OTHER THING I HAVE TO ADD IS A HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO ONE AND ALL SECOND.
WAS REAL PLEASED WITH THE, UH, JOINT MEETING.
WELL TO DO THAT ONCE IN A WHILE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE HAVE A YEARLY JOINT MEETING TO, UH, INTERACT WITH OUR COUNTERPARTS AND SEE WHERE, WHERE EVERYBODY'S GOING.
UH, AND THEN ON THE, UH, NORTH CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT, OH, IT SEEMED LIKE AUDIENCEWISE.
WE DID GET A, A PRETTY GOOD PUSHBACK FROM THE BLOCK UP AGAINST SV ROAD AND I LOOKED FOR THAT TO GET WORSE AT THE NEXT MEETING.
I JUST WONDER IF IT'S WORTH THE FIGHT JUST TO LEAVE IT OUT THIS TIME.
BUT I, I MEAN IT'S COMMERCIAL BESIDE IT.
I THINK THE RIGHT IS ON THE WALL FOR IT.
WELL HOW ABOUT POTENTIALLY THIS, HOW ABOUT WE LOOK AT THE ONE BLOCK OF IT IN THE FRONT, THAT FRONT WINCHESTER AND JUST 'CAUSE WE, WE HAVE ALLOWED FOR DUAL ZONING IN ON PROPERTIES.
BUT SEE THAT ONE BLOCK MAYBE? HOW ABOUT IF WE LOOK AT THAT AND THAT'S DIRECTLY BEHIND THE FAMILY DOLLAR STRUCTURE AND THEN THAT OTHER PORTION OF IT, UH, MAYBE LOOK AT KEEPING THAT AGRICULTURAL THAT DIRECTLY ABUTS THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS.
UM, SO IN, IN LIEU OF 150 ACRES, WE HAVE A HUNDRED ACRES AND IT ALL FRONT.
AND THEN ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, ASHBY STATION, I BELIEVE IT IS A STATE ROAD, BUT IT'S IT'S A REALLY, OH YEAH, IT'S NOT, YEAH.
SO I, I WOULD SUSPECT VDOT WOULD NOT WANT TO USE THAT FOR ACCESS.
UM, BUT MAYBE AS A COMPROMISE, AS YOU MENTIONED IN IN, IN OUR, UH, PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING, MAYBE WE LOOK AT THAT, UH, I BELIEVE WE CAN DO THAT AND JUST LOOK AT THAT FRONT PART, THAT A HUNDRED ACRES OR SO AND, AND PUT THAT IN.
UH, TRY AND LEAVE THAT IN AND THEN REMOVE THAT BACK PART AND MAYBE, MAYBE THE PROPERTY OWNERS WOULD BE FINE WITH THAT.
I, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD COMPROMISE.
BUT IT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN I THINK LONG TERM WAY, YOU KNOW, 20 YEARS GOES BY, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIALS REINVENTED ITSELF.
MAYBE THAT PEOPLE DON'T HATE IT INDUSTRIAL, IT COULD GO EITHER WAY.
UH, AGAIN, THINGS CHANGE IN THAT TIME.
AND THIS IS, AND EVERYBODY GETS, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A GUIDE, YOU KNOW, AND THEY THINK IT'S, THEY'RE GONNA START CONSTRUCTION OUT THERE WHEN THEY, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF THE, AND I KNOW HOW MUCH YOU LIKE, UH, HARRIS TEETER AND, AND, UH, WEGMANS
UH, BUT UH, YEAH, WE, YEAH, CERTAINLY TIME WILL TELL, BUT, UH, WE WOULD ASK FOR IT TO BE INDUSTRIAL AS, AS A CONTIGUOUS INDUSTRIAL AREA ADJACENT TO FAMILY DOLLAR.
I, I I THINK THAT'S A FAIR COMPROMISE.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
THAT'LL, WE'LL MAKE THOSE, THOSE MODIFICATIONS THAT'LL COOL THEM OFF A LITTLE BIT AND THEN IT, IT'S STILL A GOOD PLAN FORWARD.
KAYLA, YOU GOT ANYTHING? NOTHING TO ADD? NO, ALLISON? I DO, I HAVE TWO REQUESTS COMING FROM THE HEAD OF IT.
FIRST OF ALL,
UM, FIRST OF ALL, YOU ALL HAVE LIKE SPECIFIC SIGN IN CREDENTIALS ON YOUR IPADS WHEN YOU ARE GOING THROUGH AND DELETING THINGS.
ONE OF YOU, I CANNOT RECALL WHICH BECAUSE IT'S NOW BEEN A COUPLE OF WEEKS SINCE HE TOLD ME THIS, ACTUALLY MANAGED TO DELETE THOSE SIGN IN CREDENTIALS, WHICH MAKES IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR IT TO DO WORK ON YOUR IPADS.
IF IT IS NOT THERE, YOU WILL GET ONE FREE DELETION IN CASE YOU DO IT ACCIDENTALLY AND THEN YOU WILL HAVE TO TALK TO TODD SHOULD YOU DELETE IT AGAIN.
HIS SECOND REQUEST, AND THIS IS DIRECTED AT ALL OF YOU,
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IS TO PLEASE STOP LEAVING YOUR PASSWORD ON ANYTHING THAT IS ATTACHED TO YOUR IPAD.WE STILL, I THINK WE ALL GOT THE ORIGINAL ONE,
NO, NO, BUT IF, BECAUSE I WILL BE TAKING YOUR APP, YOUR IPADS UP AGAIN IN JANUARY.
IF ANY OF YOU HAVE A STICKER WITH YOUR PASSWORD ON IT, WHEN IT COMES TO ME IN JANUARY, YOU WILL BE GETTING A PHONE CALL FROM TODD
SO PLEASE DO NOT MAKE ME HAND OVER YOUR PHONE NUMBERS.
I KNOW TODD, SO HE CAN CALL ME
I AM, IF IT'S ANY BETTER STILL TODD'S NEXT DOOR TO ME.
LIKE IF YOU NEED TO, I WILL GET YOU THE LITTLE NOTEBOOKS THAT YOU CAN STORE YOUR PASSWORDS IN.
I JUST DO NOT WISH TO SEE THEM IN THERE ANY LONGER.
I HAD MINE PUT IT IN YOUR WALLET, SCOTT.
I'LL KEEP WORKING ON EDITING THE COMP PLAN.
OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD.
HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO EVERYBODY.
CHASE, JUST A SUGGESTION THAT WE ALL GET SOME SLEEP CONNECTIONS.
BIG TEN FOUR DIRECTED SPECIFICALLY BACK AT YOU.
CHASE WITH THAT, IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? I MOVE.