Dec 11, 2024 Planning Commission

THANK YOU, SIR.

I'M NOT AS YOUR THREE MINUTES.

I HAVE JUST 20 MORE SECONDS.

THE PARTIAL IS VERY NEAR ROCK TO ROCKLAND, WHICH EXPRESSED STRONG SUPPORT FOR REMAINING RURAL, IN SHORT, THE PARTIAL ZONED AGRICULTURAL AND SHOULD REMAIN AGRICULTURAL, PLEASE.

MY NAME IS CHRIS ANDERSON.

I AM WITH THE ALLIANCE FOR THE SHENANDOAH VALLEY.

I'M THE PAGE AND WARREN COUNTY COORDINATOR AND OUR HEADQUARTERS ARE IN NEW MARKET.

UM, I AGREE.

AND WE NEED YOUR ADDRESS.

UM, THAT WOULD BE EXACTLY 93 86 SOUTH CONGRESS OR CONGRESS STREET IN NEW MARKET.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

YEAH, YOU'RE WELCOME.

IT'S A LEGAL TECHNICALITY.

WE HAVE TO HAVE IT.

I SEE.

UM, I AGREE WITH A LOT OF WHAT, UH, MR. VAN TARD JUST SAID.

UM, WELL, EVERYTHING THAT HE SAID.

UM, I AM HERE TO SPEAK, UM, AGAIN ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN GENERAL.

UM, OVERALL THE PLAN IS GOOD AND STAFFED.

DID A GREAT JOB PULLING IT TOGETHER.

UM, HOWEVER, WE STILL HAVE THE TWO ISSUES THAT WE'RE, UH, WE THINK SHOULD BE CONSIDERED VERY CAREFULLY.

UM, ONE IS THE ADDITION OF LANGUAGE PERTAINING TO THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS IN AG LAND.

UM, I APPRECIATE THE INFORMATION SHARED BY STAFF ON THE PLANNED INCREASE IN THE MINIMUM PARCEL SIZE FROM TWO TO 3.5 ACRES.

HOWEVER, TO PROTECT THE RURAL CHARACTER OF THE COUNTY, WHICH IS A GOAL IN THE COMP PLAN.

THIS ISSUE NEEDS TO BE RESEARCHED A BIT MORE.

THE SECOND ISSUE WE HAVE IS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, WHICH SHOWS THE PARCEL NORTH OF THE FAMILY DOLLAR DISTRIBUTION CENTER ALONG HIGHWAY 3 45 22, CHANGING FROM AG TO INDUSTRIAL.

THE PARCEL, UM, IS ACTUALLY OUTSIDE OF THE CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT, SO IT'S JUST KIND OF TACKED ONTO THE NORTH END, UM, WHICH IS A, A CONCERN.

UM, THE FACT THAT IT'S NOT SERVED BY TOWN, WATER IS A CONCERN FOR INDUSTRIAL USE, UM, WHEREAS IT'S NOT SO MUCH FOR AG.

UM, IF THIS PROPERTY IS CHANGED FROM AG, WHAT'S TO KEEP OTHER PARCELS FARTHER NORTH, UM, FROM ALSO CHANGING, UM, THIS PARCEL IS ALONG ASHBY STATION ROAD, WHICH IS VERY CLOSE TO THE ROCKLAND AREA.

A RURAL AREA WHICH THE CITIZENS HAVE CLEARLY DETERMINED SHOULD REMAIN RURAL.

WE UNDERSTAND A BUFFER IS BEING CONSIDERED AROUND THE PROPERTY, BUT TO RECLASSIFY THIS PARCEL FROM AG TO INDUSTRIAL IS SETTING A, A DANGEROUS PRECEDENT FOR OTHER AG ZONED LAND.

CAME TOGETHER IN ORDER TO DO THAT.

CHRISTIE HARTMAN.

HI, MY NAME IS CHRISTY HARTMAN.

MY ADDRESS IS 5 9 2 0 GOY MANOR LOOP IN BROWNTOWN, VIRGINIA.

I'M HERE TO SUPPORT, UM, THE CAR, MY COMMUNITY, THE BROWNTOWN COMMUNITY, AND THE CO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT'S BEING PUT FORTH IN THAT.

IT, HOPEFULLY IT WILL COINCIDE WITH THE BROWNTOWN VISIONING, UM, PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED, UM, I GUESS, UH, LAST YEAR, A YEAR, A YEAR AGO OR SO.

UM, SO THAT, THAT THAT PROCESS WAS AT LEAST A YEAR, A YEAR AND A HALF, MAYBE TWO YEARS LONG, WHERE THE COMMUNITY GOT TOGETHER AND I WAS AN INTEGRAL PART OF THAT AS MANY OTHERS WERE.

A LOT OF WORK WENT INTO IT AND I HOPE THAT IT WILL BE, GIVEN THE RESPECT AND THE APPRECIATION THAT IT DESERVES CONSIDERING HOW THE COMMUNITY

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THERE WERE A LOT OF DIFFERENCES IN TERMS OF DETAILS, BUT, UM, THE OVERALL MESSAGE THAT I GOT FROM THAT PROCESS IS WHAT EV IS THAT EVERYONE IN THAT COMMUNITY IS COMMITTED TO OUR RURAL HERITAGE, OUR FARMS, OUR NATURAL RESOURCES, OUR CULTURE, OUR HISTORY.

BROWNTOWN IS UNIQUE.

UM, IT'S A LITTLE JEWEL.

I HOPE EVERYONE HAS VISITED IT AND KNOWS ABOUT IT, UM, IN WARREN COUNTY .

UM, AND I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE, CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT, UM, CHARACTER TO IT.

PEOPLE WHO VISIT MY HUSBAND AND I, UM, CAN'T BELIEVE THERE'S STILL LITTLE PLACES LIKE BROWNTOWN AND THE COMMUNITY.

SO I'M REALLY JUST HOPING THAT YOU WILL CONTINUE.

THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL CONTINUE TO CONSIDER THE WISHES OF THE BROWNTOWN COMMUNITY THAT WERE EXPRESSED IN THAT, IN THAT, UM, VISIONING PLAN THAT WE SUBMITTED.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THAT IS THE END OF THE SIGNUP SHEET.

OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS TONIGHT.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT DIDN'T SIGN UP THAT WANTS TO BRING ANYTHING UP AT THIS TIME? SEEING NO ONE COME FORWARD, THE PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS ARE CLOSED AND WE'LL MOVE INTO

[VI.A. CUP2024-11-01 - Amber R Jones - Short-Term Tourist Rental - A request for a conditional use permit for a Short-Term Tourist Rental. The property is located at 151 Valley Road and is identified on tax map 30C, section 1, block 2 as lot 17. The property is zoned Agricultural (A) and is located in the Green Hill Forest subdivision in the Happy Creek Magisterial District. - Kelly Wahl , Planner ]

WE HAVE THREE.

FIRST ONE CUP 20 24 11 0 1 AMBER R. JONES SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL.

REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1 51 VALLEY ROAD IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 30 C SECTION ONE BLOCK TWO IS LOT 17.

PROPERTY IS OWNED AGRICULTURAL LOCATED IN THE GREENHILL FOREST SUBDIVISION IN HAPPY CREEK MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT MS. WALL.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM TAURUS RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY SHE ACQUIRED FROM HER FATHER.

THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR SHORT-TERM LODGING FOR VISITORS SEEKING TO EXPERIENCE WARREN COUNTY WHILE SHE AND HER FAMILY ARE NOT USING THE PROPERTY.

THE PROPERTY WILL BE MANAGED BY THE APPLICANT.

AMBER JONES.

NO PREVIOUS CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS HAVE BEEN ISSUED FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FOR LAND USES IN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT.

THERE ARE CURRENTLY NO ACTIVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS FOR SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL IN THE GREENHILL FOREST SUBDIVISION.

THE DWELLING WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1981 AND THE OWNER WAS ISSUED A NOTICE OF VIOLATION IN SEPTEMBER OF 2024 FOR ADVERTISING AND OPERATING A SHORT-TERM TAURUS RENTAL WITHOUT A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT ON THE PROPERTY.

ZONED AGRICULTURAL.

THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT APPROVING A MAXIMUM OF SIX OCCUPANTS FOR THE THREE BEDROOM DWELLING.

THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN HAS BEEN PROVIDED AND REVIEWED BY PLANNING STAFF.

THE PROPERTY MANAGER AMBER JONES, LIVES WITHIN THE REQUIRED 30 MILE DISTANCE.

A REQUEST FOR COMMENTS WAS SUBMITTED TO GREENFIELD GREEN HILL FOREST HOMEOWNERS AND NO COMMENTS HAVE BEEN PROVIDED AT THIS TIME.

WE DID RECEIVE TWO LETTERS OF CONCERN FROM A NEIGHBOR.

ONE WAS SUBMITTED LATE AND WE PROVIDED A PHYSICAL COPY TO YOU.

THE DWELLING DOES MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT TO ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS.

THE CLOSEST DWELLING BEING 172 FEET TO THE WEST PLANNING STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS BE ADDED TO THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION CHOOSES TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS PERMIT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.

THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED THE SYSTEM CAPACITY AS DETERMINED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT PER WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION 180 DASH 56 4 B.

THE CERTIFICATE OF ZONING SHALL NOT, SHALL ONLY BE ISSUED WITH APPROVED HEALTH DEPARTMENT RECORDS.

THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE WELL WATER TESTED ANNUALLY FOR E COLI AND COLIFORM BACTERIA AND A COPY OF THE RESULTS SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO PLANNING AND HEALTH DEPARTMENTS.

THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM SERVICED EVERY FIVE YEARS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND A COPY OF THE SERVICE INVOICE SHALL BE PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

OTHER THAN THAT, THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

WOULD THE APPLICANT CARE TO ADD ANYTHING TO WHAT THE STAFF JUST SAID? SURE.

HI, I'M A LITTLE SHORT, SO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME.

UM, DO I NEED TO STATE MY NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE? YES.

AMBER ROGERS JONES.

1 51 VALLEY ROAD FRONT ROYAL, VIRGINIA.

UM, THANK YOU YOU FOR TAKING THIS MATTER INTO INTO CONSIDERATION.

UH, MY HUSBAND AND I ARE LOCALS.

I GREW UP HERE.

I, UM, WE ARE NOT INVESTORS.

I'M A SPECIAL EDUCATION TEACHER.

HE'S

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A, UH, A HOME INSPECTOR.

UM, WE, HE'S ACTUALLY A TRANSPLANT.

I'M FROM HERE.

UM, WE RELOCATED UP HERE WHEN MY DAD WAS BATTLING CANCER.

I LIVED THERE WITH HIM FOR ABOUT A YEAR.

SO WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY FROM MY DAD.

UM, WE ARE CURRENTLY LIVING WITH MY STEPMOM.

UM, SHE DOESN'T WANT TO BE HOME ON HER HOME ALONE.

UM, SO WE'RE THERE TO BE A HELP TO HER AND UH, WE HAVE A ONE AND 2-YEAR-OLD, SO SHE'S ALSO A HELP TO US SOMETIMES.

SO THE ONLY WAY THAT WE CAN ENJOY OUR PROPERTY, UM, THAT WE PURCHASED FROM MY DAD IS BY DOING A SHORT TERM, UH, USE, UH, FOR AN AIRBNB SO THAT WE CAN SPEND AS MUCH TIME THERE AS POSSIBLE.

UH, THE PROPERTY WAS VERY NEAR AND DEAR TO MY DAD.

HE SPENT A LOT OF TIME THERE AND PUT A LOT OF, UM, EFFORT AND ENERGY INTO MAKING IT A BEAUTIFUL PLACE.

UM, SO I WANNA LEAVE THE PROPERTY IN THE CONDITION THAT HE LEFT IT.

IT WAS FURNISHED BY HIM AND DECORATED BY HIM.

AND SO IT'S VERY SPECIAL TO US.

DON'T EVER PLAN TO SELL IT.

AND SO THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT IS TO PROBABLY UTILIZE IT AS A, UM, SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? NOT AT THIS TIME.

WITH THAT PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN, ANYONE SIGN UP TO SPEAK? ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK? THAT DIDN'T SIGN UP? SEE NO ONE COMING FORWARD.

THE PUBLIC HEARING'S CLOSED MEETS THE, UH, LOOKS LIKE IT MEETS ALL THE SETBACKS TO ME.

I'VE GOT NO MM-HMM .

GOT NO ISSUE.

YEAH, I AGREE.

I THINK THE ONLY ONE I, UM, ON THE LETTER THAT JUST CAME OUT, UM, ABOUT PROPERTY BOUNDARIES, THAT WAS THE ONLY THING THAT THEY, THAT THEY'RE NOT MARKED.

THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME MARKED PROPERTY BOUNDARIES.

BUT THAT'S A REASONABLE, THAT'S REASONABLE.

THAT'S REASONABLE.

THAT'S, I THOUGHT THAT WAS ONE OF OUR REQUIREMENTS.

IT IS, BUT I THINK THEY'RE JUST POINTING IT OUT.

SO JUST TO SHARE, YOU KNOW.

WELL STAFF HAVE THE ABILITY TO FOLLOW UP, MAKE SURE THERE'S BOUNDARIES AS PART OF THE POST-APPROVAL BEFORE THEY'RE ALLOWED TO RECEIVE THEIR CERTIFICATE OF ZONING.

THEY WILL HAVE TO PROVIDE PROOF OF THOSE BOUNDARY MARKERS TO PLANNING STAFF BEFORE WE WOULD GIVE THEM SIGN OFF ON THEIR CERTIFICATE OF ZONING.

ALRIGHT.

ANYONE ELSE GOT ANY COMMENTS? JUST REITERATE AGAIN THAT, UH, A SPECIAL USE PERMIT CAN ALWAYS BE REVOKED.

SO IF NEIGHBORS HAVE CONCERNS AS UM, COMPLAINTS OR COMPLAINTS AS IT'S ONGOING TO REACH OUT TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, UM, AND WE'LL, YOU KNOW, IT CAN ALWAYS BE REVISITED, SO.

YEP.

AND MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D JUST LIKE TO MENTION THAT, UM, SINCE YOU ARE AN ADVISORY BODY TO THE BOARD, THAT IS UNTIL THE BOARD APPROVES THIS, UM, THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROHIBITED FROM USING IT AS A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL AND THERE ARE POST-APPROVAL, UH, ITEMS THAT THEY NEED TO BE DONE UNTIL, UH, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT CAN ISSUE A CERTIFICATE OF ZONING FOR THAT, UH, LAND USE.

SO JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP.

I'M NOT SURE IF THE APPLICANT WAS AWARE OF THAT, BUT JUST, UH, TO MAKE HER AWARE AND, UH, AT THIS TIME, ALRIGHT, SUPER.

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

OUR ACTIONS IS A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WHO HAVE THE ULTIMATE SAY.

AND WHICHEVER WAY WE GO HERE, IT'LL PROBABLY BE ON THEIR AGENDA APPROXIMATELY A MONTH.

THAT'S CORRECT.

Z 20 24 11 0 1 CONDITIONAL USE WARREN COUNTY PLANNING STAFF REQUEST TO AMEND CHAPTER 180 OF THE WARREN COUNTY CODE TO AMEND SUBSECTION 180 DASH 63 TO MODIFY THE TERMINATION, EXPIRATION, EXTENSION, AND REAPPLICATION PROCEDURES FOR CONDITIONAL USES MR. LENS.

SO WITH THAT, DOES ANYONE GOT ANYTHING ELSE? CARE TO MAKE A MOTION.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION PLEASE.

OH, I'LL BE THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST OF AMBER R. JONES FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.

I'LL SECOND.

ALL THOSE FAVORABLY SAY AYE.

A AYE.

OPPOSED AYES HAVE BE FORWARDED ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NEXT PUBLIC HEARING

[VI.B. Z2024-11-01 - Conditional Use - Warren County Planning Staff - A request to amend Chapter 180 of the Warren County Code to amend §180-63 to modify the termination, expiration, extension, and reapplication procedures for conditional uses. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator]

THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.

ATTACHED WILL FIND A DRAFT ORDINANCE PROPOSING A FEW CHANGES TO THE TERMINATION, EXPIRATION, EXTENSION, AND REAPPLICATION PROCEDURES FOR CONDITIONAL USES UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING ORDINANCE.

EXPIRATION OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS LISTED AS A VALID REASON FOR WHICH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MAY TERMINATE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

UNDER THE CURRENT FORMAT PLANNING STAFF MUST ISSUE A NOTICE OF TERMINATION PROCEDURES LETTER VIA CERTIFIED MAIL WAIT 30 DAYS FOR A RESPONSE PLACE THE PROPOSED TERMINATION REQUEST ON A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AGENDA AS NEW BUSINESS FOR DISCUSSION AND A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD.

AND THEN THE BOARD MUST HOLD AT LEAST ONE PUBLIC HEARING PRIOR TO RENDERING ITS DECISION.

PLANNING STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE EXPIRATION PROCEDURES FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT BE ESTABLISHED UNDER A SEPARATE SUBSECTION WITH PROCEDURES FOR ADMINISTRATIVE

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EXPIRATION AND REQUESTING AN EXTENSION FROM THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

THIS WOULD ALLOW FOR THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR TO EXPIRE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IF THE USE HAS NOT BEEN ESTABLISHED WITHIN THREE CALENDAR YEARS OR IF THE USE HAS BEEN ABANDONED FOR THREE CALENDAR YEARS WITHOUT HAVING TO PURSUE THE FULL TERMINATION PROCESS.

THE PROPOSED SUBSECTION WILL REQUIRE THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR TO SEND A CERTIFIED NOTICE OF IMPENDING CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT EXPIRATION TO THE PERMIT HOLDER AND GRANT THE PERMIT HOLDER 30 DAYS FROM RECEIPT OF THE NOTICE TO APPLY FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT EXTENSION.

THE PROCEDURES FOR REQUESTING AN EXTENSION FROM THE BOARD WILL REMAIN THE SAME.

HOWEVER, THE PROPOSED TEXT AMENDMENT WOULD ADD A $100 APPLICATION FEE, UH, TO REQUEST THAT EXTENSION.

UH, THE PROPOSED TEXT AMENDMENT WILL ADD A REQUIREMENT TO THE TERMINATION PROCEDURES FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO HOLD AT LEAST ONE PUBLIC HEARING PRIOR TO MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD.

AND THIS CHANGE WAS REQUESTED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND, AND THE PUBLIC AFTER HEARING A REQUEST FOR TERMINATION OF A, A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT EARLIER THIS YEAR.

AND THE DRAFT ORDINANCE ALSO PROPOSES A RESTRICTION ON REAPPLYING FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WITHIN ONE YEAR OF DENIAL BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

THE LOCALITY IS GRANTED THE EXPRESS POWER TO ESTABLISH SUCH AN ORDINANCE BY CODE OF VIRGINIA SECTION 15.2 DASH 2310, WHICH STATES FOR APPLICATIONS FOR SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS, CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS AND VARIANCES, ANY LOCALITY MAY PROVIDE BY ORDINANCE THAT SUBSTANTIALLY THE SAME APPLICATION WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED BY THE BOARD WITHIN A SPECIFIED PERIOD, NOT EXCEEDING ONE YEAR.

THIS PROPOSED CHANGE IS RECOMMENDED BY PLANNING STAFF FOLLOWING A CASE EARLIER THIS YEAR WHEN AN APPLICANT IMMEDIATELY REAPPLIED AFTER THEIR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WAS DENIED.

THE ONE YEAR DELAY IN REAPPLYING FOR A DENIED CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT HAS BEEN ADOPTED BY MANY OTHER JURISDICTIONS IN THE COMMONWEALTH.

UM, THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.

UM, IT'S JUST A TEXT AMENDMENT SO NO ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS APPLIES TO THE WHOLE COUNTY.

UM, BUT I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

QUESTION.

UH, SO WHY DO WE GO FROM TWO YEARS TO THREE YEARS TO EXPIRE? SO THAT WAS AT THE ATTORNEY OR AT THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE COUNTY ATTORNEY? I BELIEVE THAT THE STATE CODE CHANGED ON THAT AND THAT IT IS A THREE YEAR TIMEFRAME FOR RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS.

SO, UM, AND THE ATTORNEY CAN SPECIFY OTHERWISE, BUT I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S JUST SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THE DIFFERENCE.

THAT'S CORRECT.

THE THREE YEAR, UH, EXPIRATION PERIOD FOR RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS IS SET IN THE VIRGINIA CODE.

THERE IS NO EXPIRATION PERIOD FOR COMMERCIAL PROJECTS SET IN THE VIRGINIA CODE, BUT IT WAS KIND OF, IN MY VIEW, IT WAS KIND OF CUMBERSOME TO HAVE DIFFERENT EXPIRATION PERIODS FOR DIFFERENT CATEGORIES OF CFPS.

SO WE MOVED EVERYTHING TO THREE.

UH, ANOTHER COMMENT I GUESS, UM, THE A HUNDRED DOLLARS FEE MM-HMM .

DO WE PUT ALL OF OUR FEES INTO OUR CODE? UH, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'D BE BETTER IF WE HAD LIKE A FEE SCHEDULE AND WE COULD JUST REFERENCE THAT.

SO IF THERE WAS EVER A, A CHANGE WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE A, UM, A CHANGE TO THE CODE.

YEAH, I MEAN THAT WOULD DEFINITELY BE THE BETTER WAY TO DO IT, BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, RUN THE WHOLE FEE SCHEDULE AGAIN, WHICH IS CUMBERSOME .

UM, BUT YEAH, WE HAVE HAD TO DO THAT BEFORE WHERE THERE WAS A FEE THAT WE NEEDED TO CHANGE IN THE CODE AND WE HAD, UH, REVERTED IT TO JUST STANDARD LANGUAGE, WHATEVER THE FEE SCHEDULE SAYS.

AND WE WENT THROUGH A FEE SCHEDULE A COUPLE YEARS AGO AND IT HAS TO GO AWAY UP, UP TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR'S APPROVAL.

GOTCHA.

YOU GOTTA ADVERTISE THE WHOLE THING.

LIKE THE WHOLE THING.

ANYTHING ELSE WITH THAT? PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.

ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK? ANYONE SIGN UP? HE WASN'T CARE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST TOP HEARINGS CLOSED.

OH, THE, THE, THE ONE YEAR REAPPLICATION FEE.

OH, THE PARTICULAR INCIDENTS WHERE THIS WAS, UH, TRIED IS WHY I'M KIND OF DEAD AGAINST IT.

THE, UH, THE HOUSE WAS APPLIED FOR, IT WAS A NEW CONSTRUCTION HOUSE, HAD NEW CONSTRUCTION OF BESIDE IT.

HIM FAIR TO HAVE WAITED A WHOLE YEAR? 'CAUSE HIS CONDITIONS HAD CHANGED.

ALL, ESPECIALLY AT THE BOARD LEVEL.

I WASN'T HERE FOR THE MEETING OR IT PROBABLY WENT ANYWAY 'CAUSE IT WENT HERE TOO TOO.

BUT THE, UH, THE PROBLEM WITH IT WAS, IS THAT, UH, THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR, THE GUY THAT HAD A CONTRACT TO BUY IT HAD, BECAUSE OF THE SETBACK WAIVER HAD GIVE A LETTER OF THAT.

HE WAS FINE WITH IT, BUT HIS LETTER REALLY WASN'T WORTH ANYTHING 'CAUSE HE HADN'T BOUGHT THE HOUSE YET.

EVEN THOUGH HE HAD A LEGITIMATE CONTRACT, YOU, YOU KNOW, IT, IT AIN'T SOLD TILL IT'S SOLD.

SO I I GET THAT, THAT THAT WAS NOT, YOU KNOW, YOU COULDN'T REALLY, YOU KNOW, CONTRACT FALLS OUT, SOMEBODY ELSE BUYS THE PROPERTY.

THEY DIDN'T HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO WAIVE THAT SETBACK ON, ON A NEW CONSTRUCTION HOUSE.

SO IMMEDIATELY WHEN THE HOUSE CLOSED, NOW THE LETTER'S GOOD.

AND THE SECOND TIME IT CAME BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, IT WENT OUT HERE FIVE OH OH.

SO FOR THAT GUY, WOULD IT HAD BEEN

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HIS NEIGHBOR HAD CHANGED.

SO IF HE'S GOT A REASONABLE CONDITION, THAT WOULD CHANGE THAT.

OH, I MEAN, I, I COULD SEE 90 DAYS.

I MEAN I, YOU, I CAN'T SEE SUBMIT AN APPLICATION EVERY 30 DAYS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT OH, THAT'D BEEN VERY UNFAIR FOR HIM TO WAIT A YEAR.

OH, TWO, TWO REASONS.

HE FELT THAT HE WAS, OH, THIS GUY CALLED ME.

HE WAS UPSET, OF COURSE.

'CAUSE I WASN'T AT, YOU KNOW, WHY DIDN'T YOU COME BACK? I WAS OUTTA TOWN.

SORRY.

HE DIDN'T MAKE IT BACK, YOU KNOW.

OH, HE DIDN'T GET A FAIR SHOT HERE.

'CAUSE HE DIDN'T GET A FULL COMMISSION.

SO HE WENT OUT HERE TWO TWO AND THE TIE IS THE SAME THING AS A NUT.

THE SECOND PROBLEM WAS, IS HIS NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR HADN'T ACTUALLY BOUGHT THE HOUSE YET.

AND ESPECIALLY AT THE BOARD LEVEL, IT MADE HIM, EH, THIS GUY REALLY CAN'T REALLY ACCEPT THIS 'CAUSE HE, HE DOESN'T OWN THE HOUSE YET.

BUT I, I COULD SUPPORT THAT IN MAYBE 90 DAYS.

I CAN.

IS THAT THE LAWYER? I CAN UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION, BUT HOW MANY TIMES WOULD SOMETHING LIKE THAT POP UP? I CAN, I'LL ALSO MENTION THAT, UH, I HAD GONE OVER THIS APPLICA HIS APPLICATION WITH HIM AND INSISTED THAT HE SORT OUT HIS SITUATION WITH THE NEIGHBOR BEFORE HE SUBMIT AN APPLICATION.

AND HE DID IT ANYWAY.

SO, I MEAN, I GAVE HIM AS MUCH CHANCE AS I COULD TO MAKE SURE ALL OF HIS BOXES WERE CHECKED BEFORE HE APPLIED.

BUT IF THE CONDITIONS CHANGE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR A HOUSE IS ABANDONED AND IS KNOCKED DOWN AND IT'S NO LONGER OCCUPIED AND THAT WAS WITHIN THE A HUNDRED FOOT STEP BACK, IF SITUATIONS CHANGE DO THIS, IS THERE A WAY THAT THEY CAN APPLY NO WHERE, OR IF THEY BUY THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR, YOU KNOW, THERE WOULD BE ANOTHER OPTION IF THERE'S, THEY'LL MAKE THEM BOTH SHORT TERM RENTALS IF THERE'S A CONDITIONAL CONDITIONS THAT CHANGE THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO WAIVE THAT ONE YEAR.

I, I CANNOT THINK OF A TIME THAT I'VE BEEN HERE.

I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK WHERE SOMEONE CAME BACK THAT SOON.

UM, YOU KNOW, THEY GAVE IT A LITTLE BIT OF TIME AFTER THAT.

UM, THE CONDITIONS MORE WITH THIS PARTICULAR, UH, HOUSE, THESE HOUSES WERE THAT, UM, IT WAS KIND OF THE APPEARANCE THAT THESE ARE EVENTUALLY ALL GOING TO BE SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTALS BECAUSE OF THE LAY OF THE LAND AND THE, THE STEEP CLIFF AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT BEHIND IT.

UH, I, I, I CAN'T SAY WHY, IF THAT WAS THE PARTICULAR REASON THAT THE BOARD APPROVED THAT.

I KNOW THEY CONSIDERED IT.

AND, YOU KNOW, THIS MIGHT BE A CASE WHERE IT IS A GOOD LOCATION FOR ALL OF THOSE HOUSES TO BE SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTALS.

UM, IT WAS JUST, UH, AGAIN, MR. LEN LENZA, YOU KNOW, GAVE THE APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO, YOU KNOW, REACH OUT, CHECK ALL THOSE BOXES.

AND, UM, THE, THE REASONING BEHIND THE ONE YEAR, I, I WOULD ASK OR DEFER THAT TO OUR ATTORNEY.

THE VIRGINIA CODE AUTHORIZES YOU TO IMPOSE A RESTRICTION LIKE THIS.

AND IT SAYS THAT YOU CAN, YOU CAN DO IT FOR A SPECIFIC PERIOD OF TIME, NOT TO EXCEED ONE YEAR.

SO YOU COULD DO 90 DAYS OR 180 DAYS OR ONE YEAR, BUT YOU, YOU CAN'T GO HIGHER THAN ONE YEAR WITH THIS RESTRICTION.

I WOULD ALSO NOTE THAT IT'S, IT RELATES TO DENIAL OF AN APPLICATION BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

AND SO IF AN APPLICANT AT ANY TIME UP TO THE BOARD VOTING DECIDES, WELL, YOU KNOW, THIS DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S GOING VERY WELL FOR ME.

THEY CAN ALWAYS WITHDRAW THEIR APPLICATION BEFORE IT'S VOTED ON AND THEN REAPPLY.

AND THEY WOULDN'T, IT WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN ACTED ON.

AND SO THEY CAN, UH, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO WAIT THE ONE YEAR PERIOD.

THEY COULD STILL REAPPLY IN A MONTH OR TWO MONTHS.

UH, IF THEY BELIEVED THAT IT WAS LIKELY THAT A, FOR EXAMPLE, A CONDITION WOULD CHANGE, LIKE A HOUSE NEXT DOOR WOULD CHANGE OWNERSHIP OR SOMETHING.

WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS RESTRICTION IS, IS BASICALLY TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM ROLLING THE DICE, GOING ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE FULL PROCEDURE, NOT ACHIEVING, UH, THE PERMIT.

AND THEN, UH, CONTINUING, YOU KNOW, TO DO THAT AND KIND OF ADMINISTRATIVELY OVERBURDENING OUR SYSTEM.

IF THEY REAPPLIED THIS, IS IT A NEW APPLICATION FEE? DO THEY HAVE TO PAY THE FEE AGAIN? YEAH, I MEAN, YEAH.

DON'T THINK, IN OTHER WORDS, YOU CAN DO UP TO A YEAR, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO A YEAR.

THE COUNTY HAS TO ADVERTISE THESE AND, AND IT'S, IT'S A FEE.

WHAT IS THAT FEE NOW? UH, THE FEE IS $1,700.

1750 I BELIEVE.

I THINK IT'S RESTRICTION ENOUGH.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO, YOU'RE NOT GONNA THROW SEVEN.

I'M NOT, WELL, SOMEBODY IN HERE MIGHT BE ABLE TO AFFORD THAT, BUT OH, THE AVERAGE PERSON IS NOT GONNA THROW $1,700 AT THIS THING EVERY 30, 60, 90 DAYS.

SO I, I

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I, I COULD SUPPORT THIS AT ABOUT 90 DAYS AND I, I DON'T THINK IT IT, BECAUSE OF ITS COST AND ITS RARITY OF IT HAPPENING IN THE VERY RARE, THE ONLY TIME THAT HAS HAPPENED SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, THE GUY WAS RIGHT.

NO ONE ELSE HAS EVER BEEN DENIED, HAS REAPPLIED FOR THAT.

AND THE REASON WHY THE GUY REAPPLIED, 'CAUSE HE WAS A VICTIM OF CIRCUMSTANCE BECAUSE WE WERE SHORT MEMBER HERE, HE WAS ALSO SHORT A MEMBER ON THE BOARD LEVEL JUST BY CHANCE.

SO BY PUTTING IT THE, THE ONLY GUY THAT, IF, IN OTHER WORDS, THE FISCAL ORDINANCE HAD BEEN ALREADY THIS WAY WITH A YEAR RESTRICTION.

THE ONLY GUY FOR THE 10 YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN HERE THAT WOULD'VE HURT WAS THE GUY THAT WON.

YOU KNOW, THAT BECAUSE HE DIDN'T GET A FAIR SHAKE AND HIS CIRCUMSTANCES DID CHANGE.

SO I THINK THE $1,700 TO DO IT OVER AND ALL THE AGGRAVATION THAT IT IS TO GET ONE OF THESE THINGS THROUGH ANYWAY IS ENOUGH DETERRENCE TO KEEP SOMEBODY FROM DROPPING AN APPLICATION IN HERE EVERY 30 DAYS.

I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN ANYWAY.

BUT I, I THINK A YEAR IS TOO RESTRICTIVE.

AND FOR THE VERY ONE GUY THAT NEEDED TO REAPPLY AND GOT HIS APPLICATION THROUGH WITH A UNANIMOUS VOTE, THE SECOND GO ROUND, OH, THIS, THIS WOULD'VE REALLY PENALIZED HIM.

SO I I I CANNOT SUPPORT IT WITH IT IN THERE AT A YEAR.

I MEAN, I, I'M ONE VOTE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE, EVERYBODY ELSE FEELS ABOUT.

NO, THAT'S VERY VALID.

THAT'S A VERY VALID POINT.

THE, THE CUP PROCESS IS TYPICALLY A THREE MONTH PROCESS.

SO IF THERE WERE ANY OTHER ACTIVE CS GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, SIMILAR TO THIS CASE, THOSE WOULD BE ACTED ON WITHIN THAT THREE MONTH PERIOD.

IT WOULD GIVE THEM THE APPLICANT, YOU KNOW, AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONSIDER IT.

IF THAT GUY WAS DENIED OR THAT PERSON WAS DENIED, THEN MAYBE I SHOULDN'T DO IT.

THAT PERSON WAS APPROVED THEN OKAY, I HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF DOING IT IF NO OTHER EXTENUATING CONDITIONS OR CIRCUMSTANCES CHANGED SIGNIFICANTLY.

UM, AGAIN, IT'S A GOOD POINT.

UH, THE, THE, THE OTHER THING, OH, I, I KNOW THAT THE, UH, WE'VE ONLY HAD ONE THAT CAME IN THAT APPLIED FOR, TO GET IT REVOKED.

SOMETHING TO DO OVER SOME PARKING, I THINK.

WAS THAT SKYLAND ESTATES? YEP.

YEP.

OH, DID THAT, DID THAT END UP GETTING REVOKED? I NEVER FOLLOWED IT THROUGH.

NO, BUT CHASE CAN TELL IT WAS TABLED.

IT WAS BASICALLY TABLED TO HOLD IT OVER THEIR HEADS.

IT'S STILL BEING TABLED DOWN.

YEAH, IT'S STILL A, A THING.

IT WAS JUST TABLED.

SO IF THERE'S AN ISSUE, WE'D BRING IT BACK.

OH, OKAY.

THEY DID IT SO THEY COULD BRING IT BACK IF IT DIDN'T GET CORRECTED.

DID THE GUY, DID THE GUY FIX HIS PARKING SITUATION? I'VE BEEN UP THERE A COUPLE TIMES.

HE PUT UP, UH, SOME NO PARKING SIGNAGE.

UH, THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION OUT THERE HELPED OUT A LOT.

THEY ENDED UP, UH, BECAUSE I THINK SOME OF THE CONFUSION WAS THAT, UH, PEOPLE DIDN'T THINK THAT IT WAS ACTUALLY THE ROAD.

THEY THOUGHT IT WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, SPUR.

IT WAS KIND OF A DEAD END.

IT LOOKED LIKE PROBABLY PART OF THE YARD.

SO THEY GRAVELED IT OUT.

UH, IT LOOKS LIKE A ROAD NOW.

UH, I HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY OTHER COMPLAINTS.

SO, SO THE CURRENT, AND, AND I READ THIS THING, AND FORGIVE ME FOR BEING A LITTLE SLOW AT FIGURING IT OUT.

'CAUSE WE DON'T SEE MANY OF THESE, ALL THE CURRENT PROCESS OR THE OLD PROCESS IS ALL IT COMES HERE FIRST AND THEN GOES TO THE BOARD, AND THEN WITH THE UPDATED STAFF, YOU'D BE ABLE TO SEND IT DIRECTLY TO THE BOARD.

SO, NO, UH, THE TERMINATION PROCESS IS EXACTLY THE SAME.

THE ONLY CHANGE IS THAT YOU GUYS WOULD HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING LAST TIME WE JUST TALKED ABOUT IT AND YOU MADE A RECOMMENDATION.

UM, BUT YOU WOULD ACTUALLY GET TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC IF THIS, UH, TEXT I TALKED, SOMEBODY DID SPEAK.

WE DIDN'T DO A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THAT.

I GUESS WE DID, DID WE? NO, IT WAS JUST THE APPLICANT WHO SPOKE.

OH, OKAY.

SO YEAH, IT WOULD ADD THAT INTO THE PROCESS AND IT WOULD REMOVE THE REASON, THE EXPIRATION REASON FROM TERMINATION AND PUT IT IN ITS OWN SECTION WITH THE NEW PROCESS.

BUT AS FAR AS TERMINATION GOES, YOU GUYS GET AN ADDITIONAL PUBLIC HEARING.

THAT'S THE ONLY CHANGE.

OH, I, I DON'T MIND THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I DON'T MIND THE THREE YEARS.

UH, MR. HENRY, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST MAKE ONE POINT.

TYPICALLY WHEN, UH, A A PERMIT HOLDER DOES RECEIVE APPROVAL FOR THESE SHORT TERM TAURUS RENTAL, IT CAN TAKE UP TO TWO TO THREE MONTHS SOMETIME TO COMPLETE THE POST-APPROVAL PROCESS, GET THINGS GOING AND ESTABLISHING THAT USE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

MAY BE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THAT PERSON GETS APPROVED AND THEY'RE ABLE TO GET ESTABLISHED WITHIN A MONTH, TWO MONTH, AND THEN ACTUALLY DO THE USE, LET'S JUST SAY BY A SIX MONTH TIME PERIOD, UH, IT GIVES THE NEIGHBORS KIND OF AN IDEA OF, OH, IS THIS GONNA BE A PROBLEM OR IS THIS NOT GONNA BE A PROBLEM? YOU KNOW, IS IT GONNA BE A RIGHT LOCATION OR NOT A RIGHT LOCATION? SO IT GIVES YOU KIND OF THAT ADDITIONAL, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF COMMUNITY INPUT ON WHAT THE ACTUAL IMPACT IS GONNA BE.

UH, AND I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, PUTTING THIS OUT THERE.

SO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AT THAT THREE MONTH MARK MAY NOT KNOW WHAT THE REAL IMPACT IS GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, TO THAT OTHER PERSON WHO, WHO WAS APPROVED.

SO IT, IT

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NOW AGAIN, I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.

IF YOU WANNA LOOK AT IT AS A SIX MONTH, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY VERSUS A 90 DAY, YOU LOOK AT IT AS SIX MONTH.

I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE TO YOU.

UM, AS, AS ANOTHER OPTION, UH, OTHER THAN THE ONE YEAR THAT WE ARE STAFF HAS PROPOSED.

UM, BUT AGAIN, JUST SOMETHING CONSIDER, SO IN ALL THE YEARS WE'VE HAD THE SHORT TERM RENTAL, HOW MANY TIMES DID WE HAVE A SITUATION LIKE THE ONE THAT WE HAD THIS SUMMER CHASE OR CIRCUMSTANCES YOU TALKING ABOUT THE TERMINATION OR THE REAPPLICATION? THE REAPPLICATION.

I KNOW THAT THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION.

'CAUSE I WAS TOLD THAT THERE IS A ONE YEAR TIMEFRAME TO REAPPLY.

NOT THAT THE STATE CODE SAYS THAT YOU CAN HAVE A REGULATION THAT SAYS THAT.

UM, SO THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME MISCOMMUNICATION OVER THE YEARS THAT YOU GENUINELY COULDN'T.

AND THAT MAY HAVE ELIMINATED THE POSSIBILITY IF THAT HAPPENED.

WELL, THE QUESTION IS HOW MANY WE, WELL, AS FAR AS I KNOW, JUST THE ONE, JUST THE ONE JUST, I HAD ONE, ONE OTHER GUY THAT WAS CONTEMPLATING REAPPLYING, BUT HE ENDED UP SELLING, SELLING THIS PROPERTY.

BECAUSE IF IT'S THE ONE I'M THINKING ABOUT, THAT'S ALSO THE, THE NEIGHBOR WAS RUNNING AN AIRBNB AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVED THAT HOUSE AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL, WHICH WAS HIS NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR OF WHAT, 20 FEET? MM-HMM .

SO THAT'S REALLY CLOSE.

THAT'S ONE REASON WHY IT CAME HERE.

YOU KNOW, IT WAS, I KNOW THAT'S ONE REASON WHY I VOTED FOR IT, BECAUSE IT WAS, YOU GET AN, OR YOU GET A SHORT TERM RENTAL NEXT DOOR THAT'S ADVERTISING AS AN AIRBNB.

THAT, AND THERE WAS NO YARD, THERE WAS NO OUTDOOR LIVING.

YOU'RE ON A CLIFF.

SO YOU PUT A TREE IN THERE AND IT'S GONNA BE TOUCHING BOTH HOUSES PRETTY MUCH FOR SCREAMING.

PRETTY MUCH .

YEP.

BEAUTIFUL VIEWS THOUGH.

BEAUTIFUL VIEW.

SO I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE, THE ONE YEAR, THE MITIGATING CIRCUMSTANCES I DO HAVE AN ISSUE WITH, BUT GIVEN THE FACT THAT WE'VE HAD ONE IN ALL THE YEARS THAT SHORT-TERM RENTALS HAVE BEEN OUT THERE, I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT BIG A DEAL.

WELL, THIS IS ALL CS.

IT'S NOT JUST SHORT TERM RENTALS.

THAT'S CORRECT.

IT'S ALL CS, ALL C THERE'S OTHER KINDS OF CS TOO.

RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.

SO THAT I, I ALSO SUPPORT THE ONE YEAR, UM, YOU KNOW, WHILE MAYBE WE CAN THINK OF ONE INSTANCE, UM, SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE OTHERS MIGHT'VE COME UP.

UM, BUT ALSO, WHO KNOWS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE? AND, AND WE DON'T WANNA WASTE STAFF'S TIME WITH SOMEBODY REAPPLYING MULTIPLE TIMES FOR AN APPLICATION THAT IS GOING TO KEEP GETTING DENIED.

WE GET OUR 1700 BUCKS EVERY TIME.

WELL, THAT'S NOT GONNA PAY FOR STAFF'S TIME.

THAT'S JUST FOR SHORT TERM.

KEEP DOING THAT.

I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO ADD MORE RESTRICTIVENESS.

IN OTHER WORDS, IF IT WAS IMPORTANT ENOUGH FOR HIM TO SPEND A SECOND $1,700 IN 90 DAYS, HE THINKS HE CAN GET IT DONE.

I DON'T THINK HE'D BE WASTING TIME.

BUT HE ALSO COULD HAVE, AND NOT HE, AN APPLICANT COULD ALSO AT ANY POINT, YOU KNOW, PULL BACK THEIR APPLICATION AND, AND NOT GO FOR IT.

HE WAS CERTAIN THAT HE HAD IT ANYWAY BECAUSE HE HAD TO LEVEL THE CONFUSION WAS, IS THAT THE HOUSE DID NOT CLOSE AND HE DID NOT TRULY OWN THE PROPERTY YET, EVEN THOUGH HE HAD A CERTIFIED RATIFIED CONTRACT.

ONCE THAT WAS DONE, IT WENT THROUGH HERE FIVE OH INSTEAD OF TWO TWO, AND HE'D WAITED A WHOLE YEAR.

ALSO MENTIONED THAT AT THE BOARD LEVEL, IT WAS NOT FIVE.

OH, IT WAS SPLIT THREE, TWO.

AND THE SAME PEOPLE THAT VOTED TO DENY IT THE FIRST TIME VOTED TO DENY IT AGAIN.

SO YEAH, THERE WAS OBVIOUSLY A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION LEVEL, BUT THERE WASN'T MUCH CHANGE AT ALL FROM THE BOARD LEVEL.

WE HAD A BOARD MEMBER SHOW UP THAT WASN'T THERE THE MONTH, YOU KNOW, THE TIME BEFORE THAT WAS THE ONLY DIFFERENCE.

RIGHT? YEAH.

I, BUT YEAH, AND THERE IS ALSO A PROCESS FOR, UM, A BOARD MEMBER TO ACTUALLY BRING BACK A RECONSIDERATION OF A, A DENIAL THAT THAT'S, THAT'S HARD TOO.

AND THEN IF HE DOES THAT, YOU DON'T GET THE 1700 BUCKS EITHER.

AND TYPICALLY ONE OF THE, YOU KNOW, MEMBERS WHO VOTED TO DENY WOULD HAVE TO BRING IT BACK AND THAT MEANS THEY'D HAVE TO CHANGE THEIR MIND.

THE ABSENTEE MEMBER COULDN'T DO IT.

RIGHT.

, I LOOK AT THE THING OF I COULD SUPPORT THE 12 MONTHS.

I CAN BE TALKED IN SUPPORTING SIX MONTHS, BUT THAT'S THREE.

NO, I CAN DO SIX.

I CAN DO SIX BECAUSE THE PROCESS TAKES THREE ANYWAY.

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I, WE CAN DO SIX ALL I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE FACES OF THE STAFF.

I'LL ALSO MENTION THAT WE'RE BRINGING THIS FORWARD, SO IT'S WHATEVER YOU WANT.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH SEX.

I CAN'T MAKE A MOTION, SO THANKS.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, I FIND THIS PROPOSAL ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT AS AMENDED TO SIX MONTHS WAITING PERIOD IS APPROPRIATE FOR PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, AND GENERAL WELFARE AND THE GOOD ZONING PRACTICE.

I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THE PROPOSAL AMENDMENT AS AMENDED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.

SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.

AYE.

OPPOSED? AYES HAVE, IT WOULD BE FORWARD ONTO THE BOARD.

Z 20 24 11 0 2 ADULT BUSINESS, WARREN COUNTY PLANNING STAFF REQUEST TO AMEND CHAPTER 180 OF THE WARREN COUNTY CODE TO AMEND SUBSECTION 180 DASH EIGHT EIGHT C TO ADD A DEFINITION FOR ADULT BUSINESS TO ENACT SUBSECTION 180 27 D 21, TO MAKE ADULT BUSINESSES PERMISSIBLE ONLY BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN THE COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT TO ENACT SUBSECTION 180 DASH 28 D 23, TO MAKE ADULT BUSINESSES PERMISSIBLE ONLY BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN THE INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT TO AMEND SUBSECTION 180 DASH 63 C TO ADD SUPPLEMENTAL PROCEDURES FOR ADULT BUSINESSES.

AND THE ONE WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO,

[VI.C. Z2024-11-02 - Adult Business - Warren County Planning Staff - A request to amend Chapter 180 of the Warren County Code to amend §180-8C to add a definition for adult business, to enact §180- 27D(21) to make adult businesses permissible only by conditional use permit in the Commercial zoning district, to enact §180-28D(23) to make adult businesses permissible only by conditional use permit in the Industrial zoning district, to amend §180-63C to add supplemental procedures for adult businesses, and to amend §180-63D to add supplemental standards for adult businesses. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator]

AND TO AMEND SUBSECTION 180 DASH 60 3D TO ADD SUPPLEMENTAL STANDARDS FOR ADULT BUSINESSES.

MR. LINZ.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

UH, FOREGOING READING EVERYTHING THAT YOU JUST SAID.

UH, THIS TEXT AMENDMENT IS BEING REQUESTED BY PLANNING STAFF AT THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.

CURRENTLY, THE WARREN COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE DOES NOT HAVE ANY DEFINITION, PROCEDURES OR STANDARDS FOR ADULT BUSINESS THAT WOULD DIFFERENT DIFFERENTIATE SUCH A USE FROM OTHER LISTED USES PERMITTED BY WRIGHT IN THE COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT, SUCH AS RETAIL STORES, CONVENIENCE STORES, INDOOR THEATERS, BOOKSTORES.

UH, THE PURPOSE OF THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS TO ADD A DEFINITION FOR ADULT BUSINESS, MAKE ADULT BUSINESSES PERMISSIBLE ONLY BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN THE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICTS, AND TO SET LEGAL CRITERIA FOR DENIAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR AN ADULT BUSINESS TO AVOID POTENTIAL LEGAL CHALLENGES UNDER THE FIRST AMENDMENT.

AT THIS TIME, PLANNING STAFF HAS NOT RECEIVED ANY APPLICATIONS FOR ADULT BUSINESSES, NOR ANY COMMUNICATIONS RELATED TO PROSPECTIVE ADULT BUSINESSES IN WARREN COUNTY.

UH, THIS TAX AMENDMENT IS PREEMPTIVE IN NATURE SO THAT THE COUNTY HAS PROCEDURES AND STANDARDS FOR ADULT BUSINESSES IN PLACE.

SHOULD AN APPLICATION TO ESTABLISH AN ADULT BUSINESS BE RECEIVED IN THE FUTURE.

THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED AND BOTH I AND THE COUNTY ATTORNEY ARE AVAILABLE.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

WITH, WITH THIS ONE, WE'VE TRIED TO KEEP IT PG IN THE ORDINANCE.

, THANK YOU.

BUT THIS ONE, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.

WHEN KARA WISHED TO ADDRESS THIS ONE FOR OR AGAINST NOW, I'D ASSUME NO ONE SIGNED UP EITHER.

SEE, NO ONE COME FORWARD.

PUBLIC HEARINGS CLOSED.

THIS IS JUST KEEPING THIS FROM ACCIDENTALLY BEING A BY RIGHT.

IN A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT SO THAT YOU CAN YEAH.

SINGLE IT OUT.

THAT'S THE PRIMARY THING THAT THIS IS DOING.

THE THE SECONDARY THING IS THAT THERE IS SOME CASE LAW, FEDERAL CASE LAW, UH, RELATING TO THE FIRST AMENDMENT AND CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.

AND SO IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS WHERE WE HAVE A PROCEDURE FOR HOW IT'S ACTED ON AND WHAT'S CONSIDERED WHEN YOU'RE ACTING ON, UH, HAVING THAT PROCEDURE AND THOSE FACTORS IN OUR ORDINANCE PUTS YOU ON A FIRMER LEGAL GROUNDING.

IF AN APPLICATION COMES FORWARD AND YOU CHOOSE TO DENY IT, UM, IT, IT, IT JUST PUTS THE COUNTY IN A BETTER POSITION.

SO, UH, JUST READING THE DEFINITION, UM, IN DEFINING PRINCIPLE USE AS 5%.

I KNOW IT, IT STATES, UM, FOR PURPOSE OF THIS DEFINITION, BUT DOES THAT BLEED OVER INTO ANY OTHER CODE SECTIONS? UH, IN MY OPINION, NO.

I COULD, I COULD SEE HOW SOMEBODY WOULD ARGUE THAT, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE INTENDED AND THAT'S NOT HOW WE WOULD INTERPRET IT.

SO IS THAT AN ARBITRARY NUMBER OR IS THAT SUPPORTED SOMEWHERE AT THE STATE LEVEL OR THIS IS A, UM, I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S ARBITRARY.

UH, IT IS A NUMBER THAT WE CONSIDERED IN LIGHT OF THE NATURE OF THIS

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USE.

RIGHT.

WHICH IS A KIND OF A DIFFERENT USE THAN MANY OTHER USES.

AND SO, UH, GENERALLY, UH, I WOULD SAY THAT FOR EXAMPLE, UM, YOU CONSIDERED A CAMPGROUND APPLICATION A FEW MONTHS AGO WHERE THERE WAS A, UM, AN OUTFITTER BUSINESS ON IT.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, A 5% TEST AS FAR AS WHAT'S PRINCIPLE AND WHAT'S ACCESSORY, I NORMALLY WOULD APPLY A SLIGHTLY HIGHER TEST.

BUT BECAUSE OF THE INTENSE NATURE OF THIS USE, WE THOUGHT A 5% IS, IS APPROPRIATE AND DEFENSIBLE.

NOW, WOULD THIS DEFINITION ALSO THEN, COULD THIS BE APPLIED TO, UM, UH, LIKE A PERFORMANCE HALL? I'M NOT AN ADULT, NOT SOMETHING INTENDED TO BE AN ADULT BUSINESS, BUT SOMETHING THAT SERVES ALCOHOL.

SO THEY JUST WANNA RESTRICT, UH, TO 21 PLUS, UH, TO NOT DEAL WITH, YOU KNOW, CARTING AT THE BAR.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PURPOSE IS, UH, PERFORMANCE, THE WAY THAT THE DEFINITION IS CRAFTED.

CROSS REFERENCES A VIRGINIA CODE PROVISION THAT TALKS ABOUT JUVENILES NOT BEING ALLOWED INTO CERTAIN VENUES BECAUSE OF THE SEXUAL NATURE OF THE CONTENT.

AND SO IF YOU HAD SOMETHING, UH, THAT DIDN'T HAVE CONTENT OF THAT NATURE AND JUST RESTRICTED, UM, JUVENILES FER ENTERING, IT WOULD NOT FALL UNDER THIS DEFINITION.

AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT WOULD BE A REGULAR MOVIE THEATER THAT DIDN'T ADMIT JUVENILES, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE REGULATED LIKE THIS.

OH, WHAT I'VE GOT ON THIS TOO IS, I HATE TO USE THE WORDS FESTIVALS AND THIS TYPE OF STUFF FOR THIS KIND OF THING, BUT THOSE OF US WITH A LITTLE AGE ON US CAN REMEMBER WHY EVERYBODY USED TO SNEAK OVER TO THE SHENANDOAH COUNTY FAIR .

AND WITH THIS KIND OF PIGEONHOLE THAT TO WHERE IT WOULDN'T HAPPEN HERE.

NOT SAYING THAT THE FAIR'S GONNA DO IT, BUT JUST THINKING, I'M NOT SURE QUITE HOW TO RESPOND TO THAT , UM, , I JUST TRY, JUST TRY SET UP SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WORK.

NOPE, YOU'RE NOT DOING THIS.

UM, IT, I THINK THE POINT IS THAT, UM, IF THE, IF THE USE IS PART OF A FESTIVAL, WE WOULD ANALYZE WHETHER IT MEETS THAT DEFINITION, WHICH TALKS ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, PERFORMANCES, UH, WHICH I, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE CDO COUNTY FAIR LORE.

AND, UH, SO I THINK PROBABLY WHAT, UH, IS REPUTED TO HAVE OCCURRED AT THAT FAIR IN THE OLD DAYS WOULD'VE FIT THIS DEFINITION.

IS OUR CONSENT AGENDA TO AUTHORS THAT SHOULDN'T.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE'LL JUST LEAVE IT THERE.

SO, MM-HMM .

TAKE A MOTION PLEASE.

, GET ME OUTTA THIS ONE.

I HERE , I MOVE THAT THE PLAN COMMISSION AUTHORIZED, NO, WAIT A MINUTE, I'M ON THE WRONG ONE.

UH, THANK YOU.

FINDING THAT THE PROPOSED ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT IS APPROPRIATE FOR PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, AND GENERAL WELFARE, AND IS IN GOOD ZONING PRACTICE.

I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.

I'LL SECOND ALL THOSE IN FAVORS.

PLEASE SAY, AYE.

A OPPOSED AYES SAY IT'LL BE FORWARDED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

THAT IS OUR LAST PUBLIC HEARING OF THE EVENING.

GOING OUT ON THE BACK, GOING OUT ON A BANK.

THE NEXT ITEM

[VII. Consent Agenda]

A, FOR 12 PUBLIC HEARINGS NEXT MONTH.

THANKS.

BEFORE I MAKE THE MOTION, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT STAFF WISHES US TO CARVE OUT? UNLESS YOU WANT? NO.

MM-HMM.

CONSENT AGENDAS APPROVED.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED.

SECOND, THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE.

VOTE NO.

AYES HAVE IT.

COMMISSION

[VIII. Commission Matters]

MATTERS.

PLANNING DIRECTOR UPDATE PLANNING COMMISSION ON THE STATUS OF THE 2024 ANNUAL REPORT, ELECTION OF OFFICERS FOR 25 NEXT MONTH.

DISCUSSION OF RULES OF CONDUCT AND PUBLIC HEARINGS, MR. WENDLING.

AND, UH, OUR GIS COORDINATOR'S BEEN WORKING ON THE MAPS FOR IT.

JUST BRIEFLY, AND I'LL ALLOW, UH, OUR PLANNER, KELLY WALL TO, UH, FURTHER UPDATE YOU ON THE, UH, THE, UM, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

BUT THE 2024 ANNUAL REPORT, UH, THOSE ARE USUALLY DUE TO THE BOARD BY FEBRUARY OR THEIR MARCH TIMEFRAME.

UH, MS. MUTTER HAS BEEN WORKING ON THAT FOR A A MONTH AND A HALF OR SO, JUST PERIODICALLY PIECEMEAL.

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UM, AND, UH, WE'LL HAVE A DR WE SHOULD HAVE A DRAFT COPY FOR YOU.

UM, WE'LL WORK ON IT BETWEEN NOW AND THE, THE NEXT MEETING.

AND THEN, UH, WE WILL PROBABLY TAKE ANY COMMENTS THAT YOU MAY HAVE, UPDATE THAT, AND THEN GET IT BACK TO YOU IN FEBRUARY.

UH, AND THEN, THEN WE CAN GET IT TO THE BOARD THEN.

UM, AS FAR AS ELECTION OF OFFICERS, AGAIN, THIS IS A YEAR ANNUAL REQUIREMENT.

UH, I WOULD JUST ASK YOU TO CONSIDER WHO MAY WANT TO BE THE CHAIRMAN, THE VICE CHAIR, AND THEN I THINK MS. MUTTER HAS VOLUNTEERED TO CONTINUE TO BE A CLERK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

SO THAT SHOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE THERE.

UM, BUT WE WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT, UH, FIRST THING AT THE MEETING NEXT MONTH.

YES, SIR.

AND THEN LASTLY, UH, JUST, UH, I JUST WANNA MENTION RULES OF CONDUCT, CONDUCT FOR PUBLIC HEARING.

UM, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT LAND USE CAN BE VERY, YOU KNOW, CONTENTIOUS AND EMOTIONAL.

I'VE BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH TO LEARN THAT, AND YOU'VE BEEN SITTING ON THE DIAZ LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW, KNOW THAT.

UM, I JUST, UM, WANTED TO BRING UP THAT WE DO HAVE SOME RULES OF CONDUCT HERE, AND I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE YOUR DISCRETION TO ALLOW, UH, PEOPLE AT THE PODIUM TO COME TO THE DS TO PRESENT SOMETHING OR NOT TO COME.

SO, UM, CONSIDERING SOME OF THE ACTIONS, UM, AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING, IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING JUST TO CONSIDER, UM, RESPECTING BOTH THE CITIZENS AND THE CITIZENS RESPECTING YOU AS REPRESENTATIVES OF THE COUNTY.

SO I KNOW ON THAT ONE, MAYBE I'M TOO MUCH OF A HARD LINER, BUT WE HAVE A TIME AND A DATE WHEN THE MEETING STARTS, IF YOUR INFORMATION ISN'T TO US BY THAT TIME.

WE, WE, WE TRY, IF, IF, UH, PEOPLE SUBMIT WRITTEN OR EMAILS OR WHATEVER TO US, UH, AFTER THE PUBLICATION OF OUR PACKETS, WE DO OUR BEST TO AT LEAST MAKE YOU AWARE THAT THEY HAVE SUBMITTED THOSE AND PROVIDE THAT TO YOU AT THE MEETING.

UH, SOMETIMES WE MAY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO EMAIL IT TO YOU PRIOR TO THE MEETING, SO YEAH, THAT'S, I MEAN, IT DOESN'T APPLY TO THAT PART, BUT I KNOW IN MY TIME ON THIS COMMISSION, THERE'S BEEN TIMES WHERE THAT IF SOMEONE'S ITEM ON THE AGENDA WAS COMING UP FOR VOTE AT SEVEN O'CLOCK TONIGHT, THEY'RE GETTING LAST MINUTE INFORMATION INTO THE PLANNING STAFF AT FOUR 30.

AND THAT'S JUST NOT FAIR TO ANYBODY.

SURE.

AND IF I'M TO CONSIDER SOMEONE'S VARIOUS AND SUNDRY POINTS, I'D LIKE TO HAVE TIME TO DO IT.

AND AGAIN, THAT GIVES YOU MORE OF, UH, A THOUGHT.

IF THIS WAS AN APPLICANT WHO DIDN'T HAVE THAT, IT WOULD BE GIVING MORE OF A OPPORTUNITY AND JUSTIFICATION TO TABLE THE MATTER UNTIL A, A FURTHER DATE.

THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT ON THAT ONE.

AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

ALSO, , .

AH, MR. JORDAN, YOU WENT FROM LAST, FIRST, ALMOST FIRST.

I HAVE NO REPORT.

FOR USABILITY AND READABILITY ON EVERY FRONT.

UM, ALLISON, YOU GOT ANYTHING? WE'LL JUST WORK RIGHT DOWN, ACTUALLY.

DO.

SO I'VE ACTUALLY GOT A COUPLE OF THINGS FOR YOU.

THIS IS DIRECTED PREDOMINANTLY AT HUGH AND WILL, BUT I'M OPENING IT TO THE ENTIRE PLANNING COMMISSION.

WE HAVE ONE GOING ON, TWO VACANCIES ON THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS THAT NEED TO BE FILLED.

SO IF YOU KNOW ANYONE IN EITHER THE FORK OR SHENANDOAH DISTRICT WHO WOULD BE INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING, WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THEM APPLY.

SECONDLY, I HAVE PROVIDED YOU ALL WITH YOUR ANNUAL REAL ESTATE HOLDINGS DISCLOSURES.

FILL THOSE OUT IN JANUARY, GET THEM BACK TO ME IN JANUARY.

YOU HAVE UNTIL THE 31ST.

I WILL START HUNTING YOU DOWN SOMEWHERE AROUND THE 27TH.

DON'T MAKE ME, WE LIKE YOU TOO, .

I LIKE YOU.

I JUST DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO GO HUNTING DOWN FOR THINGS THAT I NEED.

UM, I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO REMIND YOU THAT IN JANUARY I WILL BE TAKING YOUR IPADS IN FOR THEIR FIRST QUARTERLY RENEWAL.

SO MAKE SURE THAT NOBODY'S PASSWORD IS WITH IT.

AND LASTLY, BECAUSE THIS HAS COME UP AS WE HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH VARIOUS MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, AND AS WE ARE EVENTUALLY DRAWING TOWARDS THE APPROVAL OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, I WOULD LIKE YOU ALL TO CONTEMPLATE HOW YOU WOULD LIKE THIS TO ULTIMATELY BE DISPLAYED ONCE WE FINALLY GET FINAL APPROVAL.

WE HAVE SOME, WE HAVE HAD SOME SUGGESTIONS FROM MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WOULD BE THE MOST OPTIMAL WAY TO DISPLAY IT

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SO IF YOU HAVE ANY IDEAS, PLEASE TELL US WE ARE OPEN TO ANY AND ALL SUGGESTIONS BECAUSE WE'RE STILL IN THE KIND OF VERY EARLY STAGES OF FIGURING THAT OUT.

AND THE MORE IDEAS WE HAVE, THE BETTER IDEA WE'RE GONNA GET TO GET THIS THING UP IN A WAY THAT MAKES EVERYBODY HAPPY.

WHAT DO SOME OF THE OTHER COUNTIES DO? UH, PREDOMINANTLY IT'S PDFS.

WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT REGARDLESS, RIGHT? BECAUSE OF, THAT'S JUST THE EASIEST WAY TO GET IT DISPLAYED.

BUT WE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH VICKI COOK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MAKING IT EASIER TO ACCESS CERTAIN POINTS, AND THAT KIND OF SPUN OFF INTO, WE WERE CONTEMPLATING JUST MAKING IT A PART OF OUR WEBPAGE.

SO LIKE YOU COULD MM-HMM .

READ AN INDIVIDUAL CHAPTER AS A PART OF THE WEBPAGE, BUT WE'RE STILL KIND OF IN LIKE, SETTING OFF ON THIS JOURNEY.

AND SO IF YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS, THAT'S KINDA WHAT I'VE SEEN OTHER OC DOING.

AND WE SEE SOME VALUE IN IT.

IT, IT MIGHT TAKE A LITTLE FINAGLING ON OUR PART TO MAKE IT WORK AND BE DISPLAYED IN A, AN AESTHETICALLY PLEASING WAY.

SO YEAH, WE'RE TRYING TO GET OUT IN FRONT OF IT.

STILL THINK IT'D BE SAVE MONEY AS OPPOSED TO PRINTING SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND CHARGING CHARGE.

OH, .

WELL, YOU WILL BE PROVIDED HARD COPIES REGARDLESS, SO YEAH.

I'M TALKING ABOUT JUST, YOU KNOW.

WE, WE WANNA MAKE IT AS ACCESSIBLE FOR PEOPLE INSIDE AND OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTY.

SO IF SOMEBODY IS, LIKE, WE HAVE DONE BEFORE, WE'VE GONE THROUGH AND REFERENCED TO OTHER COUNTIES COMPREHENSIVE PLANES, WE WANNA MAKE IT SO THAT IF SOMEBODY HAS NEVER BEEN TO OUR COUNTY AND NEVER ENCOUNTERED OURS, IT'S EASY FOR SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON TO FIND WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.

DO YOU THINK A COPY MIGHT BE A GOOD, UH, PLACE TO LEAVE AT THE VISITOR CENTER? POSSIBLY.

WE COULD LOOK INTO THAT.

UM, DID WE DISCUSS LEAVING HARD COPIES ANYWHERE? I CAN'T REMEMBER.

YEAH, WE, UM, WE'VE PROVIDED A HARD COPY AT THE LIBRARY.

YES.

UM, AND THEN WE HAVE PROVIDED THE N-S-V-R-C WITH ONE, WE'VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY GET IT IN THEIR HANDS.

UM, WE CAN ABSOLUTELY PUT ONE AT THE VISITOR'S CENTER.

WE HAVE ONE HERE, UM, IN OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT AVAILABLE FOR ANYBODY WHO WOULD, YOU KNOW, UM, COME IN AND WISH TO LOOK AT IT.

AND ASIDE FROM THAT, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY OTHER HARD COPIES OUT THERE.

WE SUBMITTED ONE TO, UH, THE PLANNING DIRECTOR AT THE TOWN.

I BELIEVE.

SO YES.

WE DID GIVE ONE TO, UM, PLANNING DIRECTOR LAUREN KAKI AT THE TOWN.

AND, AND THE, WHAT WE'RE FINDING RIGHT NOW IS JUST WE'RE GOING THROUGH SOME MINOR CHANGES, I WOULD SAY, BASED ON SOME OF THE INPUT WE'VE BEEN RECEIVING.

AND, UM, SO, UH, THOSE PORTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN UPDATED AND MS. WAL CAN ADDRESS THAT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE KIND, IT, IT'S EVOLVING A LITTLE BIT MM-HMM .

BUT, BUT WE WILL HAVE A, A FULL COPY WITH ALL THOSE CHANGES FOR THE NEXT PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH WILL BE AVAILABLE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC IN ONE FORM OR ANOTHER, UH, DIGITAL OR HARD COPY.

AND THEN, UH, OBVIOUSLY WHEN IT GOES TO THE BOARD FOR A FINAL REVIEW AND, AND, AND HOPEFULLY APPROVAL, WE'LL, WE'LL ACTUALLY HOPEFULLY WORK OUT THESE ITEMS THAT, THAT MS. MUTTER HAS MENTIONED.

SO.

I KIND OF GOT AHEAD OF MYSELF ON THIS.

WILL YOU HAVE ANYTHING? UH, I SEE THAT WE ALL HAVE A COPY OF THE ROCKLAND COMMUNITY PLANNING PROJECT.

I ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO TAKE A LOOK.

UM, I THINK THIS IS VERY IMPRESSIVE AND, UH, IT LOOKS VERY NICE.

WILL DO.

SCOTT, YOU GOT ANYTHING? WELL, WITH THE COMMENTS WE GOT FROM, UH, BROWNTOWN THIS EVENING AS WELL, THIS ROCKING ROCKLAND COMMUNITY, THEY'RE, I'M WONDERING IF, ESPECIALLY WITH THESE TWO COMMUNITIES, I KNOW WITH, UH, NORTH RIVER DISTRICT, WE'RE TOO DIVERSE TO PROBABLY DO IT, BUT IN WHERE IT MAKES SENSE WITHIN THE, THE DIS DIFFERENT DISTRICTS TO ACTUALLY DO A CHARETTE START LIKE TWO YEARS OUT FROM THE PLANNING AND, AND JUST FIND OUT WHAT THE COMMUNITY REALLY DOES WISH AND KIND OF BUILD IT UP FROM THERE.

WE, WE DID DO A, UH, STRATEGIC VISIONING IN 2018.

THAT'S WHAT KIND OF KICKED THIS ALL OFF.

THE COUNTY SPENT MONEY ON HAVING THAT DONE.

NOW, THOSE INDIVIDUAL MAGISTERIAL, DISTRICT CHARETTES OR PLANNING THINGS COULD POTENTIALLY BE DONE FOR THE NEXT REVIEW IN FIVE YEARS.

UH, YEAH.

WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHETHER YOU'LL NEED A FULL BLOWN, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN KIND OF REDOING THE WHOLE THING, OR IF, IF THERE, IF THINGS ARE MOVING ALONG THE WAY THAT THE CITIZENS OF THE COMMUNITY ARE, MAYBE THAT YOU WON'T NEED THAT.

BUT THOSE STRATEGIC VISIONING OR CHARETTES COULD BE A, A GOOD TOOL.

AGAIN, WE'VE, WE'VE ALREADY,

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SO WE'VE ALREADY, RIGHT.

WELL, YEAH, WE'RE BUILDING THAT.

MY THOUGHT PROCESS WAS SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES THAT THEY DO IN CITY OF ALEXANDRIA, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE ONLY SIX SQUARE MILES OR DENSELY POPULATED, THEY HAVE EACH INDIVIDUAL, UH, CITY COUNCIL MEMBER HAS A DISTRICT, AND THEY, THERE'S A CHARETTE EVERY, EVERY THREE OR FOUR YEARS WITH THAT, THAT AREA THAT THE COUNTY, I'M SORRY, THE CITY STAFF DOES ATTEND AND YEAH.

SEEMS TO WORK.

AND THEY, THEY HAVE WHAT THEY CALL SMALL AREA PLANTS, WHICH KIND OF FOLD INTO THEIR MASTER PLAN.

THEY DON'T NECESSARILY DO A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WE HAVE HERE.

IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT, BUT IT'S GIVES ESPECIALLY THE UNIQUE AREAS LIKE, UH, ROCKLAND AND, UH, BROWNTOWN INPUT INTO, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S, WHAT'S GONNA DONE.

SURE.

AND, AND KUDOS TO, KUDOS TO THOSE AREAS.

UH, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY HAD A LOT OF COMMUNITY INVESTMENT IN THOSE, UH, AND THEY TOOK THE INITIATIVE ON THAT.

THEY, THEY RETAINED THE SERVICES OF THE ALLIANCE FOR THE SHENANDOAH.

UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK PROBABLY IF, IF WE WERE TO DO A FORMAL TOURETTE, WE MAY HAVE TO LOOK AT BUDGETING FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES TO ALLOW FOR THAT, UH, TO BE DONE, UM, MAYBE BY A THIRD PARTY, AND THEN ADDRESS THAT AT EACH IN, WITHIN EACH MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.

UH, UH, YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY WE'RE WORKING IN ON, ON OUR UPCOMING BUDGET.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING FOR THE FUTURE THAT THE PLAN DIRECTOR AND, AND, AND BOARD SUPERVISORS CAN, CAN, CAN ADDRESS.

UH, WE'LL CERTAINLY BRING THAT UP WITH HIM.

AND ALL OF, I HAVE, LAST I HAVE TO SAY IS, UH, IF ARMY WINS SATURDAY, WE GET THE, UH, UH, CHIEF , WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? UM, WE, WE WIN THE COMMANDER CHIEFS.

COMMANDER CHIEFS .

UH, SO GO ARMY .

I'LL FOLLOW THAT UP.

UH, VIRGINIA TECH WINS ON JANUARY 3RD, WE GET THE DUKE'S MAYO CUP, .

OTHERWISE, ONLY THING I'VE GOT IS WISHES FOR A HAPPY, SAFE, JOYOUS, AND MERRY CHRISTMAS, HANUKKAH, KWANZA, FESTIVUS AND OR NEW YEAR'S BOXING DAY .

WE'RE, WE'RE NOT CANADIAN.

YOU, OH.

FAR AS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, I THINK, OH, BASED ON PUBLIC FEEDBACK AND STUFF, I THINK THE WEST SIDE NEEDS TO GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL DRAWING IN COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL, AND THAT PIECE ON THE NORTH BE LEFT IN THE AG FOR NOW.

I DO FEEL THAT YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, THAT PIECE ON THE RIGHT WON'T BE A FARM? WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'LL BE, BUT, UH, IT'LL BE AFTER MY TIME.

UM, AND THEN IT, UM, TALK TO SOME PEOPLE FROM BROWNTOWN.

THEY JUST KIND OF WANT THINGS LEFT EXACTLY AS IT WAS.

AND IF THAT, UH, IF THAT'S WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS AT LARGE OR THE MAJORITY OF THEM, UM, MAYBE WE NEED TO PUT THAT BACK TOO FOR NOW.

UM, THERE AGAIN, MAYBE THE NEXT CYCLE, UH, THINGS HAVE GROWN AND THEY'LL FEEL DIFFERENT, BUT FOR NOW, I'D, I'D PROBABLY WANT THOSE PUT BACK, UH, AS THEY WERE IN THE PLAN.

THE, UH, THE OTHER THING I GOT COMING UP, UH, THE ANNOUNCEMENT IN THE PAPER BEFORE YEAR END, BUT, UH, BEEN APPROACHED TO RUN FOR THE BOARD, UH, FOR THE FORK DISTRICT.

SO I, AFTER THE, UH, FIRST OF THE YEAR, I'LL BE SEEKING THE REPUBLICAN NOMINATION, UH, WORKING ON MY LITTLE ANNOUNCEMENT LETTER NOW AND GETTING IT PROOFREAD AND ALL THAT STUFF.

SO, UH, HOPEFULLY NEXT WEEK IT'LL MAKE THE PAPER, BUT IF NOT, I'M GONNA WAIT TILL AFTER THE HOLIDAY TO, TO PUT THAT IN THE PAPER.

AND THEN, UH, I THINK THE REPUBLICAN COMMITTEE, THESE NEXT MEETINGS IN LATE JANUARY, SO I'M HOPING TO, UH, TO GET THEIR BLESSING 'CAUSE THAT'LL, UH, THAT SAVES A LITTLE LEG WORK ON GETTING ON THE BALLOT.

UH, AND UH, I VOTE THAT WAY.

SO I'D REALLY LIKE TO HAVE MY PARTIES SUPPORT.

I'M HOPING THAT THAT HAPPENS AND LIKE, I WISH EVERYBODY MERRY CHRISTMAS.

I'VE GOT NOTHING TO ADD OTHER THAN 20, 25 IS ALMOST HERE.

CHASE, YOU GOT ANYTHING? YOU'LL JUST ECHO, UH, ALLISON'S COMMENTS.

WE REALLY NEED BZA MEMBERS.

I'LL HAVE TO GET WITH YOU AT SOME POINT 'CAUSE YOUR TERM'S RUNNING OUT, UH, THIS YEAR, I BELIEVE.

UM, BUT YEAH, WE NEED TWO, TWO NEW MEMBERS.

UH, SO REACH OUT, GET SOMEONE INTERESTED, CONVINCE THEM THAT IT'S AWESOME

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AND HAVE 'EM TALK TO ME.

, I HAVE ASKED IN MY DISTRICT AND PUT SOME FEELERS OUT, BUT I DIDN'T, I MEANT TO SAY THAT I DIDN'T GET ANYTHING BACK OF, BUT I'VE BEEN ASKING.

WELL, IT'S A REALLY GREAT TIME.

HIGHLY RECOMMEND IT TO A FRIEND .

UM, BUT, UH, HUNDRED A MEETING.