* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. PRIOR TO THAT, [00:00:01] THE ELECTION CHAIR. VERY GOOD. WE [I. Call to Order] ARE AT SEVEN O'CLOCK. UH, I'D LIKE TO CALL UP TO ORDER THE JANUARY 8TH, 2025 MEETING OF THE WARREN COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION. UH, THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS A PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE. WE'D LIKE YOU TO PLEASE STAND AND REMOVE YOUR HATS FOR THE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TWO, THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU. AS PART OF [III. Election of Officers - Clerk to the Planning Commission] THE FIRST MEETING OF, UH, THE YEAR, WARREN COUNTY BYLAWS FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION STATE THAT OFFICERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION SHALL CONSIST OF A CHAIRMAN, VICE CHAIR AND SECRETARY. THE CHAIRMAN AND VICE CHAIR SHALL BE ELECTED BY THE MEMBERSHIP AND THE SECRETARY SHALL ER SERVE AT THE REQUEST OF THE COMMISSION AND MAY BE A MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION AND EMPLOYEE OF WARREN COUNTY OR A CITIZEN. VOLUNTEER. NOMINATIONS OF OFFICERS SHALL BE MADE FROM THE FLOOR AT THE BEGINNING OF THE JANUARY MEETING FOR THE CURRENT YEAR, ELECTION OF OFFICERS SHALL FOLLOW IMMEDIATELY AND A CANDIDATE RECEIVING A MAJORITY VOTE OF THE ENTIRE MEMBERSHIP SHALL BE DECLARED. ELECTED TERMS OF THE OFFICE SHALL BE FROM ONE YEAR UNTIL A SUCCESSOR TAKES OFFICE. VACANCIES SHALL BE FILLED FOR AN UNEXPIRED TERM BY A MAJORITY VOTE OF THE COMMISSION. UH, OUR ELECTION OF OFFICERS, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO CALL FOR A NOMINATION FOR THE CHAIRMAN. DO I HAVE A NOMINATION? I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE ROBERT MYERS. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. OKAY. UM, ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? OKAY, HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE NOMINATION FOR CHAIRMAN, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. UH, ANY OPPOSED? PLEASE SAY NAY. WE HAVE A UNANIMOUS VOTE FOR MR. MYERS TO RESUME THE CHAIRMANSHIP OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR 2025. UM, DO I HAVE A NOMINATION FOR A VICE CHAIRMAN? I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE YOU HENRY FOR VICE CHAIR. SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. UH, ARE THERE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? OKAY. UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE NOMINATION FOR MR. HENRY AS THE VICE CHAIRMAN PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AND DO WE HAVE ANY NAYS? OKAY. MR. HENRY HAS BEEN UNANIMOUSLY, UH, UH, VOTED IN AS OUR VICE CHAIRMAN, UH, FOR THE PLAINTIFF COMMISSION FOR 2025. UM, WE HAVE, DO I HAVE A NOMINATION FOR OUR SECRETARY, MRS. MS. ALLISON MUTTER, NO'S OUR CURRENT SECRETARY? OH YEAH. NOMINATE, SO NO NOMINATED. YEAH. CAN'T REMEMBER HER LAST NAME. . OKAY. DO I HAVE A SECOND TO THAT, MR. I'LL SECOND. I'LL SAY YOU NOMINATED AND I'LL SECOND. OKAY. UM, AND, UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS, I DON'T BELIEVE. NO. SO I WILL CALL FOR, UH, UH, VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. OKAY. ANY OPPOSED? MS. MU, YOU'VE GOT IT AGAIN FOR ANOTHER YEAR, . ALRIGHT, WITH THAT, UH, I WILL, UH, BRING THE GAVEL OVER TO MR. MYERS AND ALLOW HIM TO RESUME THE MEETING, UH, AT THE ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA ITEM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANKS AGAIN. THANK ALL OF YOU FOR THE VOTE OF CONFIDENCE THAT WHAT WE DO. . [IV. Adoption of the Agenda] NEXT ITEM IS THE ADOPTION OF OUR AGENDA. MR. CHAIRMAN LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE AGENDA AS PRESENTED. SECOND. ANYONE? I'LL SECOND. OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? OUR AGENDA IS ADOPTED. [V. Adoption of the Regular Meeting Minutes] NEXT ITEM IS THE ADOPTION OF THE REGULAR MEETING MINUTES OF DECEMBER 11TH, 2024. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? AYE. OUR MINUTES HAVE BEEN ADOPTED. [VI. Public Presentations] NEXT ITEM, PUBLIC PRESENTATION. PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS ARE LIMITED ISSUES THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED ON THE MEETING AGENDA. IT'S INTENDED AS [00:05:01] AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO GIVE INPUT ON RELATIVE PLANNING ISSUES, NOT INTENDED AS A QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD, OUR RULES OF ENGAGEMENT ARE IN EFFECT, IT'D BE LIKE THREE MINUTES PER PERSON. DO WE HAVE ANYONE THAT SIGNED UP TO COME COURT? WE DO. JOHN JENKINS. GOOD EVENING. JOHN JENKINS, 2 41 GILET RIDGE ROAD, BENTONVILLE, VIRGINIA. I WAS UNABLE TO MAKE IT TO THE LAST MEETING LAST YEAR. UH, THERE WAS A DISCUSSION, UH, ABOUT THE, UH, ADULT BUSINESSES REGARDING THE ADULT BUSINESSES. WINE STORES SELL NOTHING BUT WINE. CIGARETTE DISCOUNT STORES, CIGARETTES, TOBACCO STORES SELL TOBACCO PRODUCTS AND PIPES. THE VIRGINIA A, BC STORE, NOTHING BUT ALCOHOL VAPE STORES WHICH SELL ALL TYPES OF PARAPHERNALIA FOR DRUG USE, CRACK PIPES, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, FITNESS FACILITIES AND TANNING SALONS. ALL OF THOSE BUSINESSES REQUIRE THAT YOU BE AT LEAST 18 YEARS OF AGE TO BUY PRODUCTS OR, UH, USE THAT FACILITY. AS FAR AS THE FIRST FIVE, YOU NEED TO BE, ACTUALLY YOU NEED TO BE 21. SO THEY, IN MY MIND, THEY'RE ALL ADULT BUSINESSES, BUT YOU HAVE WENT TO AN EXTREME, I THINK TO CONSIDER ADULT BUSINESSES THAT SELL SEXUAL EXPLICIT ITEMS TO BE REQUIRE SPECIAL EXCEPTION WHERE THEY HAVE TO COME THROUGH FOR, TO GET A SPECIAL APPLICATION. UM, I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT COME ABOUT. THERE SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BECAUSE OF RELIGIOUS BELIEFS, UH, PERSONAL OPINIONS, BUT I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A SEPARATION FROM CHURCH AND STATE. I THINK THE CONSTITUTION BASICALLY, UH, ADDRESSES THAT. UH, BY DOING SO AND TRYING TO, UH, PUT THIS STATUTE IN PLACE, YOU'RE PRETTY MUCH INFRINGING ON FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS. UH, YOU'RE ALSO, UH, FREE ENTERPRISE COMMERCE AND THE RIGHTS OF INDIVIDUALS ON WHAT THEY CONSIDER NORMAL SEXUAL ITEMS. 20 YEARS AGO, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE WENT OUT THERE AND PUBLIC TALKED ABOUT IT. NOWADAYS, THINGS ARE DIFFERENT, JUST MY OPINION. SO A LOCAL MALL HAS A STORE CALLED SPENCER'S. THEY , THEY SELL ALL TYPES OF PRODUCTS AND THAT IS LOCATED WITHIN A MALL AND THEY ALLOW ANYONE TO COME IN. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE 18, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE 2110 TO 12 YEARS OLD. AS FAR AS ALL THE MATERIAL THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT'S IN THESE STORE AS FAR AS THE LITERATURE AND SO FORTH. ANY CHILD THAT IS 10 YEARS OLD THAT HAS A COMPUTER TYPES IN PORN AND YOU'LL HAVE MORE SITES COME UP ON THAT SCREEN THAN ANYTHING ELSE. AND ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS, ARE YOU 18? THEY HIT THAT AND IT'S ALL AVAILABLE. SO I REALIZE WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO. UH, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THAT PER SE. I'M OPPOSED TO THE REGULATIONS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO CREATE ON FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND TRYING TO PROHIBIT CERTAIN THINGS FROM BEING DONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WAYNE CHATFIELD TAYLOR, EXCUSE ME, I MAY NOT HAVE . PLEASE SIR, PLEASE COME TO THE MICROPHONE. I'M WAYNE CHATFIELD TAYLOR? UH, SIR YOU HAVE TO COME TO THE MICROPHONE. I THINK HE SIGNED UP FOR THE WRONG DO DID YOU SIGN UP FOR SOMETHING ELSE BY MISTAKE? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE I BELIEVE I DID. OH, OKAY THEN IF YOU DID, THEN YOU'RE FINE. THANK YOU. WHICH ONE DID YOU WANT TO BE ON, SIR? THE ISSUE WITH THE INDUSTRIAL, UH, EXPANSION. OKAY. I'LL ADD YOU TO THE, THE COMP PLAN LIST. THANK YOU. THAT IS THE END OF THE LIST. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING? FINAL CALL SO NO ONE COME FORWARD. WE'LL MOVE ON [VII.A. CUP2024-12-01 – Short-Term Tourist Rental – Isaac Rushing - A request for a conditional use permit for a Short-Term Tourist Rental. The property is located at 1444 Stokes Airport Road and is identified on tax map 18 as lot 82. The property is zoned Agricultural (A) and is located in the Fork Magisterial District. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator] INTO OUR 12 PUBLIC HEARINGS TONIGHT. FIRST ONE CUP 20 24 12 0 1 SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL. ISAAC RUSHING REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL PROPERTIES LOCATED AT 1 4 4 4 STOKES AIRPORT ROAD IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 18 AS LOT 82. PROPERTY OWNED AGRICULTURAL LOCATED IN THE FORT MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT. MR. LENS. [00:10:01] THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY. HE AND HIS BROTHERS PURCHASED IN SEPTEMBER OF 2023. THE OWNERS WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THEIR PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR SHORT TERM LODGING FOR TOURISTS, TRAVELING NURSES AND INDIVIDUALS SEEKING A CHANGE OF SCENERY WHILE TELECOMMUTING. THE PROPERTY WILL BE MANAGED BY THE OWNERS WHO ALL PRIMARILY RESIDE WITHIN 15 MINUTES OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. UM, AS A SIDE NOTE, THIS IS A RATHER OLD DWELLING. IT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1861. WE'VE DONE SOME RENOVATIONS. UM, THE DWELLING WAS APPROVED FOR A MAXIMUM OF SIX OCCUPANTS BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT FOR THREE BEDROOM DWELLING AND IT DOES MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT TO ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS WITH THE CLOSEST DWELLING 383 FEET TO THE WEST. UH, WE ARE RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL. CONDITION NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS IN VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS. NUMBER TWO, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED THE SYSTEM CAPACITY AS DETERMINED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT PER WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION 180 DASH 56.4 B. THE CERTIFICATE OF ZONING SHALL ONLY BE ISSUED WITH APPROVED HEALTH DEPARTMENT RECORDS. NUMBER THREE, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE WELL WATER TESTED ANNUALLY FOR E COLI AND COLIFORM BACTERIA AND A COPY OF THE RESULTS SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO PLANNING AND HEALTH DEPARTMENTS. NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM SERVICE EVERY FIVE YEARS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND A COPY OF THE SERVICE INVOICE SHALL BE PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND THAT THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED. ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER IS NOTIFIED AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US. THANK YOU. UH, DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER TO ADD BEFORE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEAR? NOPE. OKAY. IF THAT PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN, YOU WANT SIGN A , HE WOULDN'T CARE TO SPEAK ANYHOW. PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. SECOND. A MOTION PLEASE MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST OF ISAIAH RUSHING FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. I'LL SECOND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? AYE HAVE IT WILL BE FOR ON TO BOARD SUPERVISORS. THANK YOU. [VII.B. CUP2024-12-02 – Rural Resort Center - Reitano Vineyards (Shelly Cook) - A request for a conditional use permit for a Rural Resort Center. The properties are located at 137 Lee Burke Road and 0 Rivermont Drive and are identified on tax map 27 as lots 19 and 21. The properties are zoned Agricultural (A) and are located in the Fork Magisterial District. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator] OUR NEXT ITEM, CUP 20 24 12 0 2 RURAL RESORT CENTER, ANO VINEYARDS. SHELLY COOK REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A RURAL RESORT CENTER PROPERTY IS LOCATED 1 37 LEE BURKE ROAD AND ZERO RIVERMONT DRIVE IDENTIFIED IN TAX MAP 27. THAT'S LOTS. 19 AND 21. PROPERTY OWNED AGRICULTURAL LOCATED IN THE FORK MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT BEFORE I HAND IT TO MR. LIN AND MR. HENRY AND MS. RICHARDSON HAVE COMMENTS THEY WANNA MAKE. UH, YES. I WILL HAVE TO RECUSE 'CAUSE OF CONFLICT I MAY BE DOING WORK ON. I'M SCHEDULED TO DO WORK ON THE PROPERTY SO I WON'T BE ABLE TO VOTE OR SPEAK. THANK YOU. AND MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO DISCLOSE THAT I WILL NOT BE VOTING ON THIS MATTER OR PARTICIPATING IN THE DISCUSSION RELATING TO THIS MATTER. AS MANY OF YOU GUYS KNOW, I HAVE AN INTEREST IN WORKING TO SUPPORT AGRICULTURE IN OUR COUNTY AND IN PARTICULAR AGRITOURISM. IT IS FORESEEABLE THAT IF THE AGENDA ITEM IS APPROVED, I MIGHT COLLABORATE WITH THE OWNER ON EVENTS TRAINING AND OTHER MATTERS THAT COULD REALIZE A DIRECT OR INDIRECT AS A RESULT OF THOSE ACTIVITIES. THEREFORE, I'M DISQUALIFYING MYSELF FROM PARTICIPATING AND I REQUEST THAT THE CLERK RECORD THIS DISCLOSURE IN THE MINUTES. THANK YOU. THE MAJORITY IS REQUIRED FOR OUR FORMS, THESE, UH, THREE VOTING MEMBERS SO WE CAN PROCEED ON MR. LEN. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A RURAL RESORT CENTER. THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO ESTABLISH THE RURAL RESORT CENTER AND PROPERTIES CURRENTLY USED AS A VINEYARD, FARM, WINERY, AND RURAL EVENTS FACILITY TO ALLOW FOR THE TASTING ROOM OF THE FARM WINERY TO INCLUDE A COMMERCIAL KITCHEN AND TO ALLOW FOR THE POSSIBILITY OF ADDITIONAL LODGING UNITS IN THE FUTURE AS THE PROPERTIES ARE DEVELOPED. WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION 180 DASH 50 46 0.5 G RESTRICTS FARM WINERIES FROM INCLUDING A RESTAURANT AND LIMITS FOOD SERVICE TO CATERING AND PREPACKAGED FOODS. LOT 21 ON TAX MAP 27 IS CURRENTLY APPROVED FOR UP TO 20 LODGING UNITS UNDER THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT ISSUED FOR A RURAL EVENTS FACILITY FOR THE PROPERTY IN 2020. WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION 180 DASH EIGHT C DEFINES RURAL RESORT CENTER AS A FACILITY LOCATED ON A PARCEL OF LAND 15 ACRES OR GREATER IN SIZE, UTILIZED FOR HOSPITALITY AND RECREATIONAL PURPOSES INCLUDING TEMPORARY LODGING, MEALS, ENTERTAINMENT, AND RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES SUCH AS PICNICKING, BOATING, FISHING, SWIMMING, HIKING, PLAYGROUNDS, INDOOR GAMES, OUTDOOR GAMES, AND OTHER SPORTS AND ACTIVITIES. THE FACILITY AND LODGING UNIT ACCOMMODATIONS SHALL COMPLY WITH THE SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS SET FORTH IN SECTION 180 DASH 55.4 OF THIS CHAPTER. THE PROPERTY, UH, WAS APPROVED FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR RURAL EVENTS FACILITY IN 2020 AND FOR OUR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL UH, IN 2023. THE PROPERTIES HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS INTO A VINEYARD AND FARM WINERY WITH THE VINES MEMORIAL EVENTS FACILITY ON LOT 21 IN [00:15:01] THE TASTING ROOM. CURRENTLY UNDER DEVELOPMENT ON LOT 19. UH, WE DO RECEIVE COMMENTS FROM VDOT CONFIRMING THAT THE UH, PROPOSED ENTRANCE, UH, DOES SUPPORT OR IS ADEQUATE, UH, COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE OFF OF LIEBER ROAD FOR THE INTENDED RURAL RESORT CENTER USE. WOULD NEED TO UPGRADE THE ENTRANCE. UM, AND AS FAR AS THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN MADE AWARE THEY WILL NEED, UH, A FOOD ESTABLISHMENT PERMIT IN ORDER TO ESTABLISH THE COMMERCIAL KITCHEN AND A PUBLIC DRINKING WATER SUPPLY. UH, WELL PERMIT FROM THE OFFICE OF DRINKING WATER FOR THE RESTAURANT AS WELL AND DUE TO THE PROPOSED PHASED APPROACH TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE LODGING UNITS IN THE RANGE OF POTENTIAL SEWAGE DISPOSAL SYSTEM DESIGNS AND CONDITIONS ON USAGE FROM THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WE ARE RECOMMENDING AN OVERALL MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY FOR THE PROPERTY OF 300, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY CONDITION PLACED ON THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT ISSUED FOR THE PROPERTY. FOR THE RURAL EVENTS FACILITY, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL CONDITION NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH, OFFICE OF DRINKING WATER, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS. NUMBER TWO, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF TOTAL OCCUPANTS FOR THE RURAL RESORT CENTER SHALL NOT EXCEED 300 PEOPLE AND THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ANY OCCUPANCY LIMITATION DETERMINED BY THE VIRGINIA UNIFORM STATEWIDE BUILDING CODE FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL BUILDING AND WITH ANY OCCUPANCY LIMITATION DETERMINED BY THE WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL ONSITE SEWAGE DISPOSAL SYSTEM. NUMBER THREE, THE APPLICANT SHALL SUBMIT A FINAL ILLUSTRATIVE DEVELOPMENT PLAN SHOWING SCHEMATIC DETAILS ON PROPOSED BUILDING LOCATIONS, SETBACKS FROM BUILDINGS TO NEAREST PROPERTY LINES, RESTROOM AND FACILITY LOCATIONS, INGRESS EGRESS, INTERNAL INTERNAL ACCESS ROADS, OUTDOOR LIGHTING, PARKING AREAS, LANDSCAPING SCREENING AND SIGNAGE TO PLANNING STAFF PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF BUILDING AND ZONING PERMITS. PLANNING STAFF SHALL CONDUCT A SITE VISIT TO VERIFY COMPLIANCE WITH ALL SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS AND OTHER APPLICABLE PROVISIONS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE PRIOR TO ISSUING A CERTIFICATE OF ZONING. THE ONLY ACCESS TO THE PROPERTIES FOR THE RURAL RESORT CENTER SHALL BE THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE OFF OF LIE BURKE ROAD. ACCESS TO MARTIN ROAD SHALL BE FOR PRIVATE USE ONLY. A SECONDARY ACCESS OFF OF RIVERMONT DRIVE SHALL ONLY BE PERMITTED UPON COMPLETION OF A COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE APPROVED BY THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION. NUMBER FIVE, ANY BUILDINGS CONSTRUCTED ON THE PROPERTIES FOR THE RURAL RESORT CENTER SHALL BE COHESIVE IN APPEARANCE WITH THE AGRICULTURAL RURAL NATURE OF THE SURROUNDING AREA OR WITH THE BUILDINGS, EXISTING BUILDINGS ON THE PROPERTIES. NUMBER SIX, THE PROPERTY SHALL COMPLY WITH THE PROVISIONS OF THE WARREN COUNTY NOISE ORDINANCE UNDER WARREN COUNTY CODE CHAPTER 1 23. NUMBER SEVEN, LOTTING UNITS SHALL NOT BE USED FOR PERMANENT LIVING QUARTERS. RENTAL CONTRACTS SHALL NOT EXCEED 30 CONSECUTIVE DAYS IN DURATION. NUMBER EIGHT, CAMPING IN USE OF MAJOR RECREATIONAL VEHICLES BY RESORT GUESTS AND FOR CAMPING ON THE PROPERTY SHALL BE PROHIBITED UNLESS THE PROPERTY IS APPROVED FOR A SEPARATE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A CAMPGROUND. AND NUMBER NINE, THE APPLICANT SHALL MAINTAIN COMPLIANCE WITH THE REPORTING AND COLLECTION REMITTANCE REQUIREMENTS SET FORTH IN ARTICLE XIX TRANSIENT OCCUPANCY TAX OF CHAPTER ONE 60 OF THE WARREN COUNTY CODE. THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED THAT JASON PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US, THANK YOU. THANK YOU APPLICANT. HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? GOOD EVENING. UM, MY NAME IS SHELLY COOK AND OF COURSE I LIVE AT 65 LEE BUR AND ANYBODY THAT DOESN'T KNOW THAT'S JUST ADJACENT TO THE FARM THAT WE'RE SPEAKING ABOUT, IT'S ACTUALLY RIGHT IN FRONT OF IT AND I'VE LIVED THERE MY WHOLE LIFE. I, UM, AM HERE TONIGHT TO GET A CUP FOR COMMERCIAL KITCHEN FOR MY TASTING ROOM AT RATON VINEYARDS, BUT I'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU GUYS A LITTLE BIT OF PRIOR HISTORY SO THAT YOU UNDERSTAND BEFORE DISCUSSING THIS REQUEST. MY FARM HAS TWO CONTIGUOUS PARCELS, ONE BEING 43.5 ACRES AND ONE BEING ROUGHLY 28. THE ONE THAT IS 43.5 HAS 15 ACRES OF VINES AND CURRENTLY HAS THE EXISTING CUP FOR A WEDDING BARN IN 20 PROPOSED CABINS. THE VENUE OPENED IN LATE JUNE OF THIS YEAR. OUR EXISTING WEDDING BARN IS USED NOT JUST FOR WEDDING, BUT ALSO ACTS AS OUR TEMPORARY TASTING ROOM WHEN NOT BEING USED FOR PRIVATE EVENTS. THIS WAS DONE SO THAT WE COULD PHASE IN CONSTRUCTION, THE 28 ACRE PARCEL AND THE SUBJECT OF TONIGHT'S MEETING AND WHERE WE ARE CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF BUILDING OUR AG EXEMPT TASTING ROOM IN 2019, I MET WITH COUNTY PLANNERS, MATT WELDING AND T AND LOGAN TO PRESENT MY VISION FOR THE VINEYARD AND THE WEDDING DESTINATION WITH CABINS AS WELL AS A TASTING ROOM AND A COMMERCIAL KITCHEN. THE CONCERN WAS BROUGHT UP THAT THE COMMERCIAL KITCHEN COULD NOT BE AN IN AN AG BUILDING AS IT WAS REQUIRED AS IT REQUIRED A BUILDING PERMIT. AFTER MEETING WITH DAVID BUILT BEAM, [00:20:01] THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL, HE ADVISED THAT AS LONG AS THERE WAS A FIVE FEET SEPARATION BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS, IT COULD BE SEPARATELY PERMITTED AND MET HIS REQUIREMENTS. MATT DID NOT FEEL AT THAT TIME IT WOULD BE A PROBLEM. SO WITH THIS UNDERSTANDING, I MOVED FORWARD AND OBTAINED THE CUP FOR THE EVENT CENTER IN 2021, A RURAL, THE RURAL EVENT CENTER WAS ISSUED THE CUP THAT WOULD ALLOW CABINS IN A WEDDING BARN TO BE CONSTRUCTED ON OUR VINEYARD. UPON APPLYING FOR THE BUILDING PERMIT TO BUILD THE WEDDING BARN IN 2022, I WAS ADVISED THAT WE NEEDED TO AMEND THE CUP CONCERNING THE CABINS AS THE VERBIAGE AND THE PRIOR CUP NEEDED REWORKING TO SPECIFY THE NUMBER OF CABINS. AFTER SEVERAL MONTHS, LONG MONTHS, WE RECEIVED THAT CUP. IN THE SPRING OF THIS YEAR, I SUBMITTED A ZONING REQUEST TO ESTABLISH MY AG EXEMPT TASTING ROOM THAT IS TEMPORARILY BEING HOUSED IN THE EVENT CENTER AND OBTAIN THE PERMIT FOR THE COMMERCIAL KITCHEN. AT THIS TIME, CHASE INFORMED ME THAT WHILE THE TASTING ROOM BUILDING COULD BE APPROVED, I FIRST NEEDED TO APPLY FOR RURAL RESORT CUP UNDER THE NEW CODE BEFORE PROCEEDING WITH THE KITCHEN APPLICATION. I REMIND YOU THAT I HAD ALREADY MET WITH DAVID BEAM, THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL, AND MATT, IN PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS, I WAS ALSO TOLD THAT IN ORDER TO QUALIFY FOR THIS, I WOULD HAVE TO LIST BOTH THE EXISTING CUP PARCEL AND THE PARCEL, THE THIS ADDITIONAL PARCEL TO MEET THE ACREAGE REQUIREMENTS. AS THE TASTING ROOM PARCEL IS ONLY 28 ACRES AND THE NEW REQUIREMENT WAS FOR THE CODE TO BE 30 ACRES DUE TO BUFFERING BECAUSE OF ADDING SO MANY CABINS. I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT I AM A WOMAN OWNED VINEYARD. LESS THAN 2% IN AMERICA IS WOMEN OWNED. I'VE WORKED VERY HARD. MY VI VINEYARD IS REGISTERED WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE VINEYARDS OPERATE YEAR ROUND, BUT OUR PRIMARY BUSINESS IS FROM APRIL TO NOVEMBER. WE HOST WEDDINGS AND EVENTS DURING THE OFF SEASONS TO GENERATE INCOME THAT HELP KEEP OUR VINEYARDS VIABLE AND PRESERVE OUR FARMLAND. THE PLAN 20 CABINS WILL BE USED IN CONJUNCTION WITH THESE EVENTS AND OTHER EVENTS AND WEDDINGS WHEN WE BUILD THEM TO BE ABLE TO GEN HELP GENERATE THAT INCOME. IT IS OUR PLAN TO BUILD FIVE CABINS PER YEAR FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS AS WE'RE ABLE TO AFFORD THEM. AND IF POSSIBLE, EXPEDITE THIS SCHEDULE. I RESPECTFULLY ASKED THIS BOARD TO KEEP IN MIND THAT I ASKED FOR A COMMERCIAL KITCHEN. I'M NOT A RESORT, I'M A FARM. ALTHOUGH I UNDERSTAND THAT PLANNERS ARE TRYING TO WORK WITHIN THE COMBINES OF THEIR CODE THAT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE IN ORDER TO NOT HAVE TO MAKE A NEW CODE FOR THIS SITUATION. AND I APPRECIATE THAT. I WANT YOU TO KEEP THAT IN MIND. I DO NOT WANT ANYONE TO THINK THAT I CAME HERE SEEKING 30 ADDITIONAL CABINS WHEN I PROPOSED IN THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL FOR 20. I ASK EITHER OF THE FOLLOWING, A I DO NOT WANT MY ORIGINAL CUP THAT I AMENDED TWICE TO BE VACATED. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY THAT HAS TO BE COMBINED. SO I ASK THAT YOU LEAVE THAT ALONE AS IT STANDS AND USE WHERE THE TASTING ROOM IS, THE 28 ACRES AND IF NECESSARY, JUST VOID THE 30 CABINS BECAUSE I DON'T PLAN TO USE THEM OR YOU CAN LEAVE THEM ON THERE. I DON'T CARE. BUT I DON'T WANT THESE TWO CS CONJOINED. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THIS THIS VINEYARD IS, YOU KNOW, A, A VERY BIG DEAL TO MY HEART. IT WAS MY GRANDFATHER'S AND I'VE DONE THIS TO PRESERVE IT. UM, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS WHEN IT'S TIME AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE'LL CALL YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. WITH THAT, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN. ANYONE SIGN UP? ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK? LAST CALL PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. WE ALREADY HAVE A VINEYARD OVER IN BLUE MOUNTAIN THAT HAS A RESTAURANT THAT SERVES DINNER. YOU REFERRING TO, I FORGET THE NAME OF IT, THE SLY, I THINK SLY FOX IN FKI COUNTY, ISN'T IT? IT'S NOT SLY FOX. IT'S IT'S ON THIS SIDE. IT'S NOT FOX IS A WARRANT. YEAH, NO, IT'S ON THIS SIDE. I GET AN EMAIL EVERY NOW AND THEN FROM THEM FOR SPECIAL DINNERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THEY'RE HOSTING. YEAH, I'D HAVE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THESE. IT'S, IT'S UP THERE IN LINDEN ON THAT. THIS SIDE. FOX MEADOW. IS THAT FOX MEADOW UP OFF FRIESLAND ROAD? YEAH, THAT'S IT. SLY FOX [00:25:01] IS A GOLF COURSE. I HAVE. YEAH, THAT'S ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. I THINK IT'S FOX MEADOW ALL THE WAY UP HILL AT THE TOP OF THE HILL. THAT IS, THAT IS FAKI COUNTY. OKAY. THAT IS FAKI COUNTY. YEAH, THAT'S FAKI COUNTY. SIGNAGE IS CLEAR UP THERE. I'M KIND OF A WINE GUY. I GOT A SMALL LITTLE COLLECTION OF A HUNDRED AND SOME BOTTLES. UH, I'VE BEEN TO A LOT OF VINEYARDS IN VIRGINIA AND AROUND THE COUNTRY IN EUROPE. THEY ALL HAVE RESTAURANTS. IT'S HARD TO FIND ONE THAT DOESN'T, AND I DON'T KNOW WHY SHE'S ASKING FOR A KITCHEN, BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS KIND OF A, A FOOD DESERT IN WARREN COUNTY AND HAVING SOMEPLACE THAT WOULD HAVE INTERESTING MEALS OR EVEN JUST SIDE PLATES WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE. I THINK IT WOULD BE A BIG, YOU KNOW, PLUS FOR THE COMMUNITY, I KNOW I'D BE DOWN THERE MORE OFTEN. AND I'LL ADD TO THAT AS, AND MY WIFE AND I ARE MEMBERS OF TWO VINEYARDS OVER IN RAPPAHANNOCK. ONE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THE SIDE PLATES AND THEN ANOTHER ONE JUST SAY THEY HAVE THE KITCHEN AND EACH OF 'EM HAVE FOOD TRUCKS LIKE EVERY WEEKEND. AND YOU KNOW, SHE'S GONNA BE SUCCESSFUL AND COMPETE IN THAT MARKET. SHE NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS A COMPARABLE PRODUCT. UH, SO THE, THE FARM WINERY IS NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE A COMMERCIAL KITCHEN. THIS IS CORRECT. CORRECT. THE SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS FOR A FARM WINERY RESTRICTS, UH, A RESTAURANT USE BECAUSE IT IS ALLOWED BY WRIGHT IN THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT, WHICH MEANS IN 80% OF THE COUNTY YOU COULD OPEN A RESTAURANT. WHAT'S THE GOTCHA. OKAY. YEAH, I MEAN, I, I AGREE. I I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE A, A RESTAURANT AT THE WINERY. UM, YEAH. NOW, MS. COOK, ARE YOU ASKING, YOU'RE ASKING IN HERE FOR A KITCHEN, ARE YOU CONSIDERING, UH, PLATE DINNERS OR SOME TYPE OF FOOD THAT YOU BE SERVED WITH THE WINE? SO RIGHT NOW I SERVE FOOD, BUT I GO THROUGH VDAC THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE. THIS IS GONNA BE THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH. THAT'S THE ONLY DIFFERENCE. SO THE COMMERCIAL KITCHEN HAS TO BE SEPARATE. THE ONLY THING I WAS ASKING YOU GENTLEMEN, IS THAT IS COULD YOU NOT COMBINE, 'CAUSE I WORKED SO HARD FOR THAT CVP WITH THE 20 MM-HMM . IF WE COULD JUST KEEP THE OTHER PARCEL WITH THE 28 ACRES, MAKE THAT EXCEPTION THAT IT BE O APPROVED WITH 28 ACRES INSTEAD OF 30. THE COMMERCIAL KITCHEN IS ALREADY IN THE CODE. SO IF YOU COULD JUST, THAT'S THE ONE THING I ASKED FOR, THAT'S ALL. OKAY. RIGHT. UM, WELL, I GUESS A QUESTION FOR STAFF. SO 30 ACRES IS THE MINIMUM FOR RURAL RESORT CENTER. UM, SO IT'S A 15 ACRE MINIMUM. YOU NEED 30 ACRES TO OPEN A RESTAURANT AND SHE'S WITHIN AN ACRE AND A HALF. SHE'S, YEAH. WELL, BUT I, I KNOW IT, IT SEEMS, AND THAT WAS FOR BUFFERING. WELL, I, BECAUSE OF THE CABINS, NOT BECAUSE MY, MY KITCHEN IS A 25 BY 30. THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY PUT THAT, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, CHASE. UM, THEY DID THAT FOR BUFFERING WITH 30 CABINS BECAUSE THAT WOULD NEED BUFFERING. I'M, I'M NOT PUTTING ANY CABINS ON THAT PARCEL. I'M PUTTING JUST MY TASTING ROOM. SO THERE, THAT'S ALREADY APPROVED. AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT IF, IF THE CODE SAYS 30 ACRES AND THAT'S THE MINIMUM, AND, AND I KNOW IT'S ONLY, IT'S LESS THAN TWO ACRE DIFFERENCE, THEN YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T MAKE IT, WE CAN'T MAKE THAT EXCEPTION. I THOUGHT YOU COULD DO IT IF IT WAS LESS, IF YOU WERE ASKING FOR LESS. THAT'S RIGHT. CHASE. IT'S NOT PART OF THE SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS IS IT? OR THE, WHAT'S THE LANGUAGE? I BELIEVE IT IS IF I'M, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. YEAH, I THINK THE FIFTEEN'S IN THE DEFINITION, BUT THE 30 IS IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL. SORRY, I'M FINDING THE DEFINITION AGAIN. I THOUGHT YOU WERE ABLE TO MAKE AN EXCEPTION FOR LESS. I JUST REALLY, IT IT BOTHERS ME TO, TO BOTHER THAT ONE CUP THAT'S ALREADY OUT THERE, THAT'S ALREADY BEEN IN EXISTENCE THAT WE WORKED OVER FIVE YEARS TO, TO GET DONE WILL, IF YOU WERE NAVIGATING TO IT, IT'S 180 DASH 55.4 C ONE. [00:30:07] ALL RIGHT. WELL, , I PROBABLY CAN'T USE A COMPUTER TONIGHT. . ALL RIGHT, WELL, I, I BELIEVE WHAT STAFF IS SAYING. . ALL RIGHT. SO I GUESS CHASE, JUST TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND, UH, THE 30 ACRES IS NOT PART OF THE DEFINITION. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD, UH, GRANT AN EXCEPTION TO. YES. UM, I WOULD REQUEST THE COUNTY ATTORNEY TO CLARIFY IF WE WOULD NEED ANY CHANGES TO THE APPLICATION. 'CAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE SUGGESTING DROPPING ONE OF THE PARCELS FROM THE APPLICATION. I DO THINK THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN CREATE AN EXCEPTION TO THE SUPPLEMENTAL REG REQUIRING 30 ACRES FOR THE LOT SIZE IF YOU'RE SO INCLINED. UH, THE APPLICATION, WHICH I HAVE HERE, UH, CHASE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, SPECIFIES BOTH OF THESE TAX MAP PARCELS CORRECT. LOT 19 AND 21. BUT WE HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE INDICATING THAT REALLY WHAT SHE WANTS IS, IS JUST WITH RESPECT TO THE ONE, I THINK WITH THAT REPRESENTATION, IF, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE INCLINED TO DO, YOU COULD MOVE FORWARD. AND WE WOULD JUST NOTE THAT ON THE APPLICATION, WHEN IT GOES BEFORE THE BOARD THAT IT WAS AMENDED AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT, SORRY, I BEFORE LAW 21, IT WOULD BE LOT 19, LOT 21 HAS THE RURAL EVENTS FACILITY. ALRIGHT. AND I, I DID FINALLY WAS ABLE TO NAVIGATE TO THE RIGHT SECTION. UH, SO UNDER 180 55, 4 CI MEAN THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATION, IT'S JUST RESTAURANT ACCOMMODATIONS. UM, THIS WHOLE, MY MIC'S NOT ON THIS WHOLE SECTION OF, OF 180 BEGINNING ARTICLE FIVE. SO BEGINNING WITH 180 DASH 30 AND CONTINUING TO 180 DASH 59.1, ALL OF THOSE ARE, ARE SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS. UH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT. I'M, YEAH, IT, IT'S KIND OF, IT'S KIND OF JUMBLED AND, AND YOU DON'T NEED TO WAIVE IT. IT'S YOUR PREROGATIVE, BUT YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO SO IF YOU CHOOSE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, I, I GO BACK TO, I MEAN, IT MAKES SENSE THAT THERE'S A, A KITCHEN, UM, SORRY, I, I MISUNDERSTOOD AND THOUGHT THAT IT WAS A 30 ACRE MINIMUM. SO, UH, SO QUESTION TO STAFF REAL QUICK. SO IN MAKING THE MOTION, WE SHOULD SAY THIS WAS FOR LOT 19, IF, IF THE MOVEMENT IS SO INCLINED, YOU COULD MAKE THE MOTION TO SPECIFY THAT THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT BE GRANTED ONLY WITH RESPECT TO LOT 19 AND, AND THAT THE, WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF AND THAT THE 30 ACRE MINIMUM BE MODIFIED WITH RESPECT TO THIS APPLICATION TO INSTEAD BE A 28 ACRE MINIMUM. WHAT HE SAID . SO YOU REMEMBER ALL THAT? SO, SO THEN JUST TO BE CLEAR, IN DOING THAT, ARE WE, I KNOW IT'S NOT THE INTENT OF THE APPLICANT, BUT ARE WE THEN GRANTING THE ABILITY TO HAVE 20 UNITS ON THE OTHER PARCEL AND NOW AN ADDITIONAL NUMBER OF UNITS 25 20? IT WOULD TECHNICALLY BE 25 FOR LOT 19 HERE, BUT HER REQUEST IS ONLY FOR 20 IN THE DOCUMENT HERE. YEAH. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT SHE WOULD BE CON YOU KNOW, WHAT HER CONSTRAINTS WOULD BE. UM, CURRENTLY FOR LOT 21 UNDER THE RURAL EVENTS FACILITY, IT'S UP TO 20. AND IF APPROVED FOR THIS UNDER FOR LOT 19, IT WOULD BE UP TO 25 FOR THAT PARCEL. SO IT WOULD BE 45 TOTAL BETWEEN THE TWO SPLIT IF SHE WANTED TO MAX IT OUT. YEAH. AND I, I, I'LL JUST POINT OUT IT'S NOT THIS APPLICANT'S, UH, INTENT, BUT ESPECIALLY USED PERMIT GOES WITH THE PROPERTY. SO IF SHE WERE TO SELL IT, IT, THAT INTENT OR THAT THAT ABILITY IS THERE, BUT SINCE IT'S A CP IT CAN BE PULLED TOO. WELL, I CAN'T MAKE A MOTION. YEP. I WAS GONNA SAY, I, I JUST, UH, SORRY, LAST, LAST COMMENT. SO, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT, WHY DO YOU WANNA SPLIT [00:35:01] THE TWO? I I, I KNOW YOU 'CAUSE THIS, WE'VE ALREADY, SO THE RURAL EVENT CENTER IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE TASTING ROOM. IT'S THE, IT'S MM-HMM. MM-HMM . IT'S ALREADY BEEN GRANTED THOSE THINGS WERE IRONED OUT WITH TARYN LOGAN THAT'S BEEN ESTABLISHED. I DON'T WANT TO REVISIT THAT WITH THIS NEW CODE. I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO CONJOIN THEM. THAT'S WHAT I'M NOT WANTING TO DO. SO AT THE PROPERTY, BECAUSE OF THE VINEYARD BEING ALREADY WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY MESS UP ANYTHING. I'VE ALREADY GOT SO MANY GRANTS AND THINGS MOVING FOR THE VINEYARD. I DON'T WANT TO TAKE THAT CHANCE, SIR. THAT'S, THAT'S MY PROBLEM. SO AT THE PROPERTY WHERE THE BARN IS CURRENTLY, THAT'S NOT WHERE THE KITCHEN WOULD GO? NO, SIR. NO, SIR. THAT IS WHERE THE TASTING ROOM, SO IF I MAY, SO OBJECTION. CLOSEST TO THE ROOM. OH, LOOK, I I DON'T THINK ANYBODY EVER GAVE HIM SOMETHING . SO HERE'S THE VINEYARD, HERE'S WHERE THE WEDDING BARN IS OVER HERE CURRENTLY THE CABINET, THEY'RE GONNA GO HERE AND HERE, JUST SO YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND THAT THIS PARCEL, THIS HUGE PARCEL HERE, THE TASTING NURSE SITS RIGHT HERE. RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF THE, RIGHT HERE. AND THAT'S WHERE THE COMMERCIAL KITCHEN IS. THIS PARCEL HERE IS 43 ACRES. THIS IS 28, BUT IT'S SURROUNDED BY MAIN, MY FARM AND MY HOUSE. GOTCHA. IF I MAY CHIME IN WITH A, WITH A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS. ONE IS THAT YOU CAN HAVE MULTIPLE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS THAT, THAT APPLY TO THE SAME PROPERTY. AND SO IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS INCLINED TO GRANT THIS FOR BOTH OF THESE PARCELS, IT DOESN'T NEGATE OR DO AWAY WITH THE PREVIOUSLY GRANTED CUP. IT JUST ADDS, UM, ONE, YOU KNOW, TOOL TO THE LANDOWNER'S TOOLBOX IN DEVELOPING THEIR PROPERTY. UM, THE SECOND CON IS REALLY A CONCERN THAT I HAVE IN LOOKING AT THIS AND THINKING ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF, OF MODIFYING IT SO THAT IT'S ONLY LOT 19. AND THAT CONCERN IS THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE RESTAURANT REGULATIONS IN, UM, SUBSECTION C ONE, IT SAYS THAT THE RESTAURANT IS, IS ALLOWED FOR A, UM, RURAL RESORT CENTER, BUT THAT IT'S ACCESSORY TO THE RURAL RESORT CENTER USE. AND SO IF WE, IF WE SEPARATE THE RURAL RESORT CENTER USE TO ONE PARCEL AND THE, AND THE OTHER USE ONLY TO THE OTHER, THERE'S A CONCERN BECAUSE YOU HAVE AN ACCESSORY USE UP HERE ON THIS PARCEL WHERE THE PRIMARY USE IS INSTEAD DOWN ON A DIFFERENT PARCEL. AND I RECOGNIZE THAT, UM, THAT IS A LITTLE ACADEMIC, ACADEMIC OR KIND OF PEDANTIC, BUT WHEN WE'RE INTERPRETING OUR ZONING ORDINANCE, WE TYPICALLY WANT FOR THE PRIMARY USE AND THE ACCESSORY USE TO BE ON THE SAME PARCEL. UH, AND SO IF, IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS INCLINED TO ALLOW THIS, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD JUST BE TO GRANT THE CUP WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IT DOESN'T AFFECT WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY GRANTED. IT JUST LAYERS ON TOP OF IT. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES. YEAH. YES. THANK YOU. DOES THAT MAKE YOUR QUESTIONS? YEAH, I'M, I'M DONE. . MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO, OOPS, APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUESTED BY RO UH, VINEYARDS. UH, SHELLY COOK FOR THE RURAL RESENT RESORT CENTER WITH CONDITIONS OUTLINED BY, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION. SECOND OPPOSED IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? ABSTAINED. SUSTAIN, SUSTAIN. A BE WILL BE FORWARDED ON. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OUR THIRD ONE [VII.C. CUP2024-12-03 – Short-Term Tourist Rental - Allan & Christine Sylvester - A request for a conditional use permit for a Short-Term Tourist Rental. The property is located at 4920 Strasburg Road and is identified on tax map 10 as lot 99. The property is zoned Agricultural (A) and is located in the North River Magisterial District. - Kelly Wahl , Planner] CUP 20 24 12 0 3. SHORT TERM FIRST RENTAL ALLEN AND CHRISTINE SYLVESTER. REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORT TERM FIRST RENTAL PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 49 20 STRASSBURG ROAD IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 10 AS LOT 99 PROPERTY OWNED AGRICULTURAL AND LOCATED IN NORTH RIVER MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT AS WELL. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM TA RENTAL FOR THE LEGAL NON-CONFORMING COTTAGE LOCATED ON THE PROPERTY THEY PURCHASED IN SEPTEMBER OF 2020. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON TAX MAP 10 AS PARCEL 99 AND CONTAINS 39.32 ACRES. THE PROPERTY IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL AND IS [00:40:01] LOCATED IN THE NORTH RIVER MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT. A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL IS A USE PERMITTED BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT. THE OWNERS WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE COTTAGE AVAILABLE FOR SHORT-TERM LODGING RESIDING IN THE MAIN DWELLING ON THE PROPERTY. THE APPLICANTS WILL SERVE AS THE LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGERS. UH, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL AND AGRICULTURAL EVENTS CENTER WAS APPLIED FOR IN 2014 AND DENIED IN 2015. NO PREVIOUS CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS HAVE BEEN ISSUED FOR LAND USES IN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. THE MAIN DWELLING WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1842 AND THERE ARE NO RECORDS OF ANY ACTIVE ZONING VIOLATIONS. THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT APPROVING A MAXIMUM OF FOUR OCCUPANTS FOR THE TWO BEDROOM DWELLING. THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN HAS BEEN PROVIDED AND REVIEWED BY PLANNING STAFF. THE LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGERS, ALAN AND CHRISTINE SYLVESTER LIVE ON THE PROPERTY. THE PROPERTY IS NOT LOCATED WITHIN AN HOA OR A POA. THE DWELLING MEETS THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS TO ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS. THE CLOSEST DWELLING IS 649 FEET TO THE NORTH. PLANNING STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS BE ADDED TO THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION CHOOSES TO FORWARD THE APPROVAL OF THIS PERMIT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS IN VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS. THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED THE SYSTEM CAPACITY IS DETERMINED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT PER WARREN COUNTY CODE SUBSECTION 180 DASH 56.4 B. THE CERTIFICATE OF ZONING SHALL ONLY BE ISSUED WITH APPROVED HEALTH DEPARTMENT RECORDS. THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE WELL WATER TESTED ANNUALLY FOR E COLI AND COLIFORM BACTERIA AND A COPY OF THE RESULTS SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING AND HEALTH DEPARTMENTS. THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM SERVICED EVERY FIVE YEARS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, AND A COPY OF THE SERVICE INVOICE SHALL BE PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY, PROPERLY ADVERTISED ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED AND I'M NOT QUITE SURE IF THE, THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US. THANK YOU. DOES APPLICANT HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? NO. OKAY. THANK YOU. IF THAT PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN, ANYONE SIGN UP? DOES ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK? PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION. WHY WAS IT DENIED IN 2015? DOES IT I BELIEVE IT HAD MORE TO DO WITH THE EVENT CENTER. UM, I'M NOT FULLY AWARE OF THE FULL HISTORY. MATT MIGHT KNOW THE FULL HISTORY ON THAT ONE. UM, I WAS NOT HERE AT THE TIME. UH, I THINK THERE WERE A FEW THINGS THAT OCCURRED PRIOR TO THE APPLICATION THAT, UM, CONCERNED THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS. THEY WERE CONCERNED, UH, WITH MANAGEMENT OF THE PROPERTY, I'LL JUST SAY, AND SOME OF THE WILDLIFE ON THE PROPERTY. IS THAT THE ONE WHERE THEY WERE THINKING ABOUT LIKE DOING LIKE MUSIC FESTIVALS AND STUFF LIKE THAT? YEAH, THEY HAD DONE A WEDDING FOR THEIR FAMILY AND UM, I THINK THAT WAS A KIND OF A PART OF IT. AND THEN THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT DOING THE FESTIVALS. IT WASN'T JUST A SHORT TERM RENTAL, IT WAS LIKE A BIG YEAH. AND SO I THINK THE, THE SCALE AND SCOPE OF WHAT THEY WERE PROPOSING AND UM, YOU KNOW, THE WHAT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT OCCURRED IN THE MEANTIME, IF, IF I RECALL, THIS IS THE ONE WHERE THAT IN VARIOUS BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, IN VARIOUS MEETINGS BEFORE IT ACTUALLY CAME ACROSS THE REMOTE THAT THE APPLICANT WAS OUT SHOOTING BUZZWORDS. YEAH. YEAH. YES. THAT'S THE ONE. THAT'S CORRECT. THAT IS CORRECT. IF I MAY ADD THIS IS NOT, THIS IS A NEW OWNER . OH YEAH, YEAH. YES, THAT IS CORRECT. WHAT'S THAT? UH, WHAT, WHAT MAKES IT NONCONFORMING? THE AGE OF IT? SO, UM, IT HAS A SECOND DWELLING ON THE PROPERTY. SO PRIOR TO THERE BEING A ZONING CODE, THE SECOND DWELLING WAS CONSTRUCTED. 'CAUSE CURRENTLY WE DO NOT ALLOW FOR A SECOND DWELLING TO BE LOCATED ON A PRINCIPAL PROPERTY. RIGHT. SO IT IS LEGAL NON-CONFORMING BECAUSE THE COTTAGE WAS ADDED TO THE PROPERTY BEFORE WE ESTABLISH A ZONING CODE. SO, UH, ON THAT NOTE, I MEAN WE ARE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT POTENTIALLY, UM, ADDING ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS AND ONE OF THE, UM, REQUIREMENTS ON THAT IS THAT YOU COULDN'T USE IT AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL. THIS, THIS DOESN'T QUALIFY 'CAUSE IT'S WELL, BUT, BUT WE'RE CONSIDERING MAKING A NEW CODE SECTION THAT, THAT WOULD ALLOW THIS, THAT THIS WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE CONFORMING AND IT WOULD CONTINUE TO NOT BE CONFORMING BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA GRANT IT, UM, A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. THE, UH, THANK THAT. NO. THAT NOBODY ELSE IS GONNA BE ABLE TO, TO HAVE. YOU CAN VOTE AGAINST IF YOU WANT TO, BUT I'LL FORWARD. LET'S JUST MAKE IT SHORT. WE GOT TOO D FOR ME TO ARGUE WITH YOU TONIGHT. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS. I'M VOTING YES. WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO MAKE THE MOTION? YES. I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST OF ALAN AND CHRISTINE SYLVESTER. FOR THE CONDITIONS OR FOR THE, [00:45:01] UH, AM I READING THE RIGHT THING OR I'M OFF, OFF SYLVESTER'S YOUR RIGHT NAME. ALAN CHRIS? YEAH. I MOVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE REQUEST OF ALAN AND CHRISTINE SYLVESTER WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. SORRY, ALL SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? NO . I JUST HAVE IT TO BE FORWARDED ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. HOUR FOUR [VII.D. CUP2024-12-04 – Church - Mountaintop the Church at Skyline - A request for a conditional use permit for a Church. The property is located 7655 Stonewall Jackson Highway and is identified on tax map 28 as lot 45B1. The property is zoned Agricultural (A) and is located in the South River Magisterial District. - Kelly Wahl , Planner ] CUP 20 24 12 0 4 CHURCH MOUNTAINTOP AT THE CHURCH AT SKYLINE. REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A CHURCH PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 76 55 STONEWALL JACKSON HIGHWAY IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 28 AS LOT 45 B ONE. PROPERTY'S OWNED AGRICULTURE LOCATED IN THE SOUTH RIVER MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT MS. WALL. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A CHURCH. THE PROPERTY IS IDENTIFIED AS TAX MAP 28 LOT 45 B ONE, LOCATED AT 7 6 5 5 STONEWALL JACKSON HIGHWAY IN THE SOUTH RIVER MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT IN ITS OWN AGRICULTURAL. THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO CONSTRUCT A 10,500 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING AS AN ACCESSORY TO THE EXISTING CHURCH, UM, AND PRIVATE SCHOOL. THE ADDITION WOULD PROVIDE OFFICE SPACE, A FELLOWSHIP HALL, YOUTH MINISTRY ACTIVITY SPACE, SUNDAY SCHOOL AND STORAGE SPACE. A CONCEPT DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS SUBMITTED AS A SUPPLEMENT FOR THE APPLICATION. THERE IS CURRENTLY ONE ACTIVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT CUP 2021 DASH ZERO SIX DASH ZERO FIVE FOR THIS PROPERTY FOR USE AS A PRIVATE SCHOOL. THE PRIVATE SCHOOL OPERATES MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, 8:00 AM TO 3:30 PM AND ALLOWS FOR 30 STUDENTS MAXIMUM. THE CHURCH OPERATES SUNDAYS 8:00 AM TO 1:00 PM AND WEDNESDAYS 6:30 PM TO 8:00 PM THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY 200 TO 250 MEMBERS IN THE CONGREGATION. THE CHURCH IS NON-CONFORMING AS IT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1992 AND DID NOT REQUIRE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AS THE USE WAS PERMITTED BY WRIGHT IN THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT PRIOR TO THE ADOPTION OF THE CURRENT ORDINANCE ON AUGUST 19TH, 1992. THERE IS CURRENTLY ONE ACTIVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THIS PROPERTY FOR USE AS A PRIVATE SCHOOL. THERE ARE CURRENTLY NO ACTIVE ZONING VIOLATIONS FOR THIS PROPERTY. UM, THE PRIVATE SCHOOL HAS AN APPROVED OCCUPANCY FOR 33 PERSONS BY THE WARREN COUNTY FIRE MARSHAL. UH, THERE ARE NO SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATION REGULATIONS IN THE WARREN COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE FOR A CHURCH. RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS ARE BASED ON COMMENTS RECEIVED BY THE WARREN COUNTY BUILDING OFFICIAL WARREN COUNTY FIRE AND RESCUE SERVICES AND STATE AGENCIES. THE APPLICANT SHALL MEET COUNTY ZONING REQUIREMENTS FOR OFF STREET PARKING AND OUTDOOR LIGHTING. WE DID RECEIVE COMMENTS FROM VDOT. THEY HAD NO OBJECTIONS. UM, YOU DO HAVE A COPY OF THOSE, BUT THEIR COMMENTS WERE THAT THEY HAVE NO OBJECTION OBJECTIONS TO THE PROPOSED USE. THEY WILL MAINTAIN THE COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE ONLY WITHIN THE NORMAL SHOULDER OF THE HIGHWAY. THE PROPERTY OWNERS SHALL MAINTAIN ALL OTHER PORTIONS OF THE ENTRANCE. UH, PLANNING STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS BE ADDED TO THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION CHOOSES TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS PERMIT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE AND ANY OTHER APPLICABLE LOCAL, STATE AND FEDERAL REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS. NUMBER TWO, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED THE SYSTEM CAPACITY IS DETERMINED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATIONAL PERMIT FOR THE ONSITE SEWAGE DISPOSAL SYSTEM AND THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY ISSUED BY THE WARREN COUNTY BUILDING OFFICIAL. THE APPLICANT SHALL SUBMIT A SITE PLAN SHOWING PARCEL BOUNDARIES, PROPOSED BUILDING FOOTPRINTS, DIMENSIONS OF PROPOSED BUILDINGS, SETBACKS FROM BUILDINGS TO THE NEAREST PROPERTY BOUNDARIES, INGRESS, EGRESS, INTERNAL ACCESS ROADS, OUTDOOR LIGHTING PARKING INCLUDING HANDICAP PARKING AND PUBLIC UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE EASEMENTS OR PRIVATE WELL SEPTIC AND DRAIN FIELD LOCATIONS TO THE WARREN COUNTY. PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF BUILDING AND ZONING PERMITS, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE WELL WATER TESTED ANNUALLY AND A COPY OF THE RESULTS SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THE APPLICANT SHALL MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF WARREN COUNTY CODE SUBSECTION 180 DASH 15 FOR OFF STREET PARKING FOR A CHURCH AND CODE SUBSECTION 180 DASH 49.2 FOR OUTDOOR LIGHTING. A ZONING INSPECTION SHALL BE REQUIRED TO FINAL INSPECTION. AND NUMBER SEVEN, A WAIVER TO THE REQUIRED PAVED PARKING SPACES SHALL BE GRANTED GIVEN THE EXISTING PARKING LOT. AT LEAST ONE HANDICAPPED PARKING SPOT SHALL BE HARD SURFACE AND STRIKE WITHIN ONE YEAR OF PERMIT APPROVAL IN ACCORDANCE WITH WARREN COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE. THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US. OKAY, THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD TO COUNTY CONFIDENCE? SEE NO ONE COME FORWARD. PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN. OKAY. WHO WANTS TO SIGNED UP? OKAY, ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK ANY OUT PLEASE COME FORWARD. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESSES. S [00:50:04] BETH SEITZER 2 0 2 RALEIGH RIDGE DRIVE FRONT ROYAL, I'M NOT HERE FOR THIS ONE, HOWEVER, I'M HOPING THAT SOMETHING CAN BE DONE ABOUT THE PROBLEM WITH THE LIGHTS FROM THIS CHURCH WHICH HAVE BEEN SHINING INTO THE ROOM. MY BEDROOM FOR THE LAST, I DON'T KNOW, 10 YEARS BECAUSE THEY MUST EXCEED THE COUNTER REQUIREMENTS FOR WHAT IS DONE. I JUST LIKE TO PUT THAT IN THE PUBLIC RECORD THAT THE LIGHTS ARE AN ENVIRONMENTAL POLLUTION AND UM, THEY HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING? NO ONE ELSE COME FORWARD. PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. I WOULD HOPE SOMEONE COULD ADDRESS THE LIGHT ISSUE AS I KNOW THAT CAN BE A PROBLEM. YEP. YEP. WERE THE, UH, ARE THE CURRENT LIGHTS DOWNWARD FACING OR DO, DO YOU HAVE ANY OR WERE THEY DONE BEFORE WE HAD ANY CODE FOR THAT OR IS IT THAT OLD OR? I HAVE NOT PERSONALLY REVIEWED THEIR, THEIR LIGHTS. UH, I HAVE DONE A FEW LIGHTING INSPECTIONS CURIOUSLY AFTER OUR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS 'CAUSE , SORRY. AND I'M HERE. UM, UH, BUT I WILL BE HONEST, I HAVE YET TO REGISTER A VIOLATION ON THAT LIGHT METER AND I'VE SEEN SOME PRETTY BRIGHT LIGHTS. OKAY. THEY'RE FACING, WHICH MEANS THEY GO FORWARD. WE WILL VERIFY THAT DURING THE, IF THIS IS APPROVED DURING THE SITE PLAN REVIEW PHASE, WE'LL VERIFY THAT THOSE LIGHTS ARE, UH, DARK SKY COMPLIANT DOWN LIT. UM, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS WITHIN THE SITE PLAN. AND THEN ALSO AS PART OF OUR FINAL ZONING INSPECTION, WE'LL VERIFY THAT, UM, BUILDING INSPECTIONS WILL ALSO VERIFY THAT THE LIGHTING IS ACCORDING TO BUILDING CODE. SO OKAY. UM, THE ONES THAT ARE CURRENTLY THERE, UH, WE COULD REQUEST THE APPLICANT OR THE BOARD CAN, PLAINTIFF COMMISSION CAN REQUEST THAT, THAT THOSE BE REVIEWED IF THEY DO NOT MEET THE COMPLIANCE, UH, THAT THOSE WOULD BE ADDRESSED AND, AND, UH, UH, CHANGE DURING THE A, DURING THE SITE PLAN, A REVIEW PHASE. OKAY. I'D BE FAVOR THAT I WOULD TOO. I MEAN, THEY'LL BE THERE FOR CONSTRUCTION ANYWAY. I MEAN, TO FIX A FEW LIGHTS WOULDN'T, HOPEFULLY WOULDN'T BREAK A BUDGET FOR MUCH. PROBABLY A FEW LIGHT HEADS SHOULDN'T BE THAT MUCH. OKAY. AND IN 10 DAYS', WORLD WAS, THEY'RE SO MUCH CHEAPER OR SO MUCH USE SO LITTLE ENERGY COMPARED TO THE OLD. SO YEAH, THEY'LL SAVE, IF THEY UPGRADE FIXTURES, THEY'LL PROBABLY SAVE THE COST BACK. THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S FAIR. DO WE, DO WE NEED TO ADD THAT AS A REQUIREMENT TO OUR ATTORNEY? , WHEN I READ THE LANGUAGE OF REQUIREMENT NUMBER FIVE, IT IS SUFFICIENTLY BROAD THAT I THINK IT, IT INCLUDES BOTH NEW AND EXISTING LIGHTING. OKAY. UM, IF, IF YOU WANT TO BE VERY EXPLICIT ABOUT THAT, YOU COULD SAY THE APPLICANT SHALL MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION 180 DASH 15 FOR OUR OFF STREET PARKING FOR A CHURCH AND CODE SECTION 180 DASH 49.2 FOR OUTDOOR LIGHTING INCLUDING EXISTING LIGHTING. AND I THINK THAT MAKES IT CRYSTAL CLEAR THAT THAT'S YOUR INTENT IN CASE THERE WAS ANY QUESTION. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? WANT ME TO TRY THE MOTION ? SURE. MOVE THAT THE PANELING COMMISSION FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PER PERMIT REQUEST OF MOUNTAINTOP THE CHURCH AT SKYLINE CHURCH FOR CONDITIONAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF WITH THE ADDITION TO CONDITION FIVE. BRINGING UP EXISTING LIGHTING TO CODE. THAT'S FINE. SECOND, SECOND, SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. A. AYE. OPPOSED? AYE. HAVE IT GONE TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. THANK YOU. NEXT [VII. E. CUP2024-12-05 – Short-Term Tourist Rental - Gillian Greenfield & Richard Butcher DBA 2MEXICO, LLC/B Allen Richards, LLC - A request for a conditional use permit for a Short-Term Tourist Rental. The property is located at 209 Luchase Road and is identified on tax map 23A, section 4, block 10, as lot 7A. The property is zoned Residential-One (R-1) and is located in the Happy Creek Magisterial District. - Kelly Wahl , Planner ] ITEM, CUP 20 24 12 0 5 SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL, JILLIAN GREENFIELD AND RICHARD BUTCHER DOING BUSINESS AS TWO MEXICO. LLCB ALLEN RICHARDS LLC. REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORT TERM FOREST RENTAL PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 2 0 8 LU CHASE ROAD IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 23. A SECTION FOUR BLOCK PEN AS LOT SEVEN A PROPERTY IS ZONE R ONE RESIDENTIAL LOCATED IN HAPPY CREEK [00:55:01] MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT. MS. WALT. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. LEMME CATCH MY BREATH. HERE WE GO. ME TOO. . THE APPLICANTS ARE REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM TAURUS RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY THEY PURCHASED IN AUGUST OF 2024. THE APPLICANTS WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THEIR PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR SHORT TERM LODGING FOR VISITORS SEEKING TO EXPERIENCE WARREN COUNTY RESIDING IN WINCHESTER. THE APPLICANTS HAVE FOUR YEARS OF EXPERIENCE OPERATING THREE OTHER SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTALS IN WARREN COUNTY. THEY PLAN ON MY MANAGING THE PROPERTY THEMSELVES WITH ASSISTANCE FROM LOCAL PROFESSIONAL SERVICES FOR TRASH DISPOSAL CLEANING AND MAINTENANCE. THIS PROPERTY IS ZONED R ONE AND IS LOCATED IN THE SKYLAND ESTATE SUBDIVISION WHERE THERE ARE CURRENTLY 11 ACTIVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS FOR SHORT TERM TAURIST RENTALS. NO PREVIOUS CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS HAVE BEEN ISSUED FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FOR LAND USES IN THE RESIDENTIAL ONE ZONING DISTRICT. AND THERE ARE NO RECORDS OF ANY ACTIVE ZONING ZONING VIOLATIONS FOR THIS PROPERTY. THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT APPROVING A MAXIMUM OF SIX OCCUPANTS FOR THE THREE BEDROOM DWELLING, UH, FOR CONVENTIONAL SEPTIC. THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN HAS BEEN PROVIDED AND REVIEWED BY PLANNING STAFF. THE PROPERTY MANAGER LIVES WITHIN THE REQUIRED 30 MILE DISTANCE FROM THE PROPERTY. A REQUEST FOR COMMENTS WAS SUBMITTED TO SKYLAND COMMUNITY CORPORATION AND THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS HAVE CHOSEN NOT TO ENDORSE THIS APPLICATION. A COPY OF THOSE COMMENTS ARE IN YOUR PACKET. WE HAVE ALSO RECEIVED ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FROM CITIZENS AND COPIES HAVE ALSO BEEN PROVIDED TO YOU IN YOUR PACKET. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A WAIVER TO THIS SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATION AS THE DWELLING DOES NOT MEET THE 100 FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT FROM NEIGHBORING RESIDENCES. THE NEIGHBORING RESIDENCE AT 180 9 LU CHASE IS LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 46 FEET TO THE WEST OF THE DWELLING OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND THE SECOND NEIGHBORING PROPERTY AT 2 33 LU CHASE ROAD IS APPROXIMATELY 95 FEET TO THE EAST OF THE DWELLING ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. THE APPLICANTS DID SUBMIT A LETTER TO THE PROPERTY OWNER, UH, PLANNING STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS BE ADDED TO THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION CHOOSES TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS PERMIT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS. THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED THE SYSTEM CAPACITY IS DETERMINED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT PER WARREN COUNTY CODE SUBSECTION 180 DASH 56.4 B. THE CERTIFICATE OF ZONING SHALL ONLY BE ISSUED WITH APPROVED HEALTH DEPARTMENT RECORDS. THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE WELL WATER TESTED ANNUALLY FOR E COLI AND COLIFORM BACTERIA AND A COPY OF THE, THOSE RESULTS SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND PLANNING STAFF. THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM SERVICED EVERY FIVE YEARS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND A COPY OF THE SERVICE INVOICE SHALL BE PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. AND LASTLY, A WAIVER TO THE REQUIRED SETBACK OF A HUNDRED FEET TO NEIGHBORING DWELLING SHALL BE GRANTED FOR THE EXISTING 46 FOOT SETBACK TO THE DWELLING WEST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND THE EXISTING 95 FOOT SETBACK TO THE DWELLING EAST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED AND THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE THIS EVENING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANYTHING YOU CARE TO ADD? THE COUNTY STAFF COMMENTS? YES, SIR. PLEASE COME FORWARD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LETTING US, UM, SPEAK QUICKLY THIS EVENING. UH, I ALWAYS COME PROBABLY IF WE'RE PREPARED, BUT, UM, AND WE DO NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR HER. YES SIR. GILLIAN GREENFIELD. UH, 14 EAST PICCADILLY STREET. RICHARD BUTCHER, 1423 GRAYSTONE TERRACE. UM, FIRST TO ADDRESS THE, UH, LETTER FROM THE SKYLINE COMMUNITY CORPORATION. THERE ARE TWO CONCERNS AS CITED IN THEIR LETTER WAS, UM, OWNER OCCUPANT. AND THEN THE SECOND ONE WAS ABOUT, UM, THE DISTANCE BETWEEN OUR NEIGHBORS. SO IN RESPONSE TO THE OWNER OCCUPANT, UM, I ALWAYS, UH, BASE INFORMATION ON EVIDENCE AND THE EVIDENCE I HAVE THE SUPPORT THAT IT'S NOT NECESSARY TO BE AN OWNER OCCUPANT TO STILL BE A VERY GOOD AND RESPONSIBLE HOST IS FOR FOUR YEARS AND OVER 2,400 REVIEWS. I HAVE A SUPER HOST ALL FOUR YEARS AND IN THIS PAST YEAR, IN FACT, 574 GUESTS HAVE STAYED AT OUR AIRBNBS COLLECTIVELY. AND I HAVE A FIVE STAR RATING. THAT MEANS I HAVE, UM, EXCELLENT COMMUNICATION AND FOLLOW UP WITH ALL OF MY GUESTS. THAT MEANS I RESPOND TO ALL THEIR NEEDS IMMEDIATELY. I CAN DO SO SUCCESSFULLY BECAUSE I HAVE MY PHONE TO MY HIP TWENTY FOUR SEVEN. UM, THEY HAVE MY DIRECT MOBILE NUMBER AND OF COURSE COMMUNICATE WITH ME THROUGH THE, UH, AIRBNB APP. AND MY BUSINESS PARTNER, UH, RICHARD BUTCHER, HE RESPONDS AS WELL, UM, UH, AS MY SUPPORT FOR COMMUNICATION AND FOR ALL REPAIRS THAT ARE NECESSARY. IN FACT, YESTERDAY AND TODAY WE'VE BEEN AT ALL THE PROPERTIES SHOVELING, SNOW PLOWING DRIVEWAYS, EVEN PLOWING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON SOME OF THE ROADS THAT ARE, UM, UH, UH, UH, HOA HAD NOT GOTTEN TO YET. SO, UM, AS FAR AS, UH, BEING AN OWNER OCCUPANT, WE HAVE, UM, SHOWN THAT OVER FOUR YEARS WE ARE EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL BEING HOST AND RESPONSIVE AND, AND RESPONSIBLE, UM, BEING LESS THAN 30 MINUTES AWAY FROM OUR AIRBNBS. SECONDLY, TO RESPOND TO THE DISTANCE, UH, BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORS, [01:00:01] UM, TO OUR RIGHT WE'RE FIVE FEET FROM ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORS. THEY ACTUALLY HAVE HAD, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE HAD HAVE, UM, AN AIRBNB THEMSELVES RIGHT THERE ON THE PROPERTY. SO THEIR EXPERIENCED AIRBNB HOSTS, WE SENT THEM LETTERS IN ADDITION TO WE WENT NEVER AND SPOKE WITH THEM WHEN WE FIRST SUBMITTED OUR APPLICATION AND ASKED IF THEY WOULD HAVE ANY CONCERN AND THEN WE CAN MEET WITH THEM IF THEY HAD ANY CONCERN. THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY CONCERN AND WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY CALLS SINCE. WE MET WITH THEM AND SENT THEM A LETTER TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE WHERE, UH, A SHORTER DISTANCE ACTUALLY, UH, WE MET WITH THAT PERSON TOO WHO JUST BOUGHT THE HOUSE. AND IN THE LETTER THAT YOU HAVE FROM A NEIGHBOR, THEY CITED WHETHER WE HAD TALKED TO THAT PERSON. NOT ONLY DID WE TALK TO THAT PERSON, AS I HAVE A STATEMENT FROM THEM TODAY, UM, I CAN READ TO YOU THAT THEY'RE IN SUPPORT OF THE SHORT TERM RENTAL APPLICATION. UM, I CAN EITHER PASS AROUND OR I CAN READ, BUT HEY GILLIAN, WE HAVE NOT DISCUSSED YOUR PROPERTY PLANS, PROPERTY OR PLANS FOR IT TO BE AN AIRBNB WITH ANYONE. 'CAUSE THE NEIGHBOR SAID THAT HE THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE GONNA HAVE AN OBJECTION. BUT THIS PERSON SAYING, I'VE NEVER HAD AN OBJECTION. I'VE EVEN TALKED TO A NEIGHBOR, YOU ASSURED ME WEEKS AGO THAT YOU OPERATE YOUR PROPERTY WITH RULES AND PROPER SUPERVISION. SO WE DO NOT OPPOSE YOUR SHORT-TERM RENTAL PERMIT APPLICATION. THIS WAS THIS MORNING AND I CAN SUBMIT THAT. OKAY. SO, UH, YEAH, WE DEFINITELY ADDRESS THE DISTANCE QUESTION AND BEEN RESPONSIBLE AS WE HAVE WITH OUR OTHER PROPERTIES TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A CLOSE COMMUNICATION TO OUR NEIGHBORS TO ASSURE THEM THAT WE'RE GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PROPERTY. UM, IN THE 'CAUSE THERE'S ONLY TWO COMMENTS, IS THAT RIGHT? ONE FROM THE, UM, SKYLINE AND ONE FROM THE ONE NEIGHBOR? I BELIEVE SO, YES. OKAY. SO I WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S NOT LIKE PLURAL. THERE'S ONE NEIGHBOR, OKAY. UH, THAT WROTE, UH, AN EMAIL OR A LETTER. UH, THEIR CONCERN WAS THAT BEING ON A BLIND HILL, UM, I'LL CITE THAT. UH, THERE'LL BE A LIMIT TO OCCUPANCY OF COURSE, UM, THAT'S REQUIRED. AND, UM, I'VE, UH, DEFINITELY LEARNED THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH A NEIGHBORHOOD TO HAVE A TENDENCY TO DRIVE MORE CAUTIOUSLY AND SLOWLY BECAUSE THEY'RE UNCERTAIN ABOUT THE DIRECTIONS THEY'RE GOING IN, IT'S TYPICALLY PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ARE CONSTANTLY DRIVING THROUGH THAT ROAD HAVE A TENDENCY TO DRIVE A LITTLE BIT FASTER. UM, FURTHER, UH, F UH, THERE'S UH, AN AVERAGE OF A 56% OCCUPANCY FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. THAT'S THE LIKELIHOOD BASED ON STATISTICS. SO IT WON'T EVEN BE OCCUPIED FULL TIME, SO YOU ALREADY CUT THOSE TRIPS IN HALF. UH, LASTLY, TO EMPHASIZE AGAIN, HOW MUCH QUIETER AIRBNBS CAN BE. UM, OUR GUESTS HAVE A TENDENCY BECAUSE THEY'RE MORE A HONEYMOON STYLE. UM, UM, AIRBNBS PEOPLE WILL GO TO THEM AND NOT LEAVE FOR 48 HOURS AT A TIME. THAT'S COMPLETELY COMMON. UM, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO WORK EVERY MORNING GOING TO THE GROCERY STORE IN THE AFTERNOON, RUNNING OUT TO DINNER IN THE EVENING, PICKING UP THEIR KIDS AT DAYCARE. THEY DON'T HAVE THOSE MULTIPLE TRIPS A DAY, TYPICALLY WITH OUR AIRBNBS. UM, LET ME THINK IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE I HAD WANTED TO RESPOND TO. UM, WHENEVER THE SUPERHOST PART, WHICH BY THE WAY, UM, LESS THAN 4% OF AIRBNB HOSTS HAVE A 4.5 STAR RATING. I HAVE A FIVE STAR RATING. UM, AND, UH, OF COURSE WE REGISTER EVERY MONTH WITH CRYSTAL JARVIS WITH ALL OF OUR LODGING REPORTS. SO AGAIN, AS OUR LICENSED PERMITTED AIRBNBS ARE IN, UH, UM, SHENANDOAH SHORES, WE RECORD ALL OF OUR LODGING. UM, WHICH AS A RESULT OF THOSE, UM, LODGING REPORTS WOULD EVIDENCE THAT WE'VE PAID, UM, JUST IN THE PAST YEAR, JUST IN THE PAST YEAR, OVER $27,000 IN TOTAL TAXES COLLECTED. THAT INCLUDES THE LODGING TAX BY AIRBNB AND THE SALES TAX. AND INTERESTINGLY, IF YOU'LL ALLOW ME TO SHARE, UM, BASED ON THE FORMULA FOR WHAT PEOPLE SPEND ON LODGING, WHAT THEY SPEND ON, UM, FOOD AND BEVERAGE, THEY'VE, OUR GUESTS THIS YEAR HAVE SPENT 200 TO $300,000 IN FOOD AND BEVERAGE IN WARREN COUNTY. THAT'S THREE AIRBNBS. SO THE POTENTIAL TO ADD ANOTHER BY WAY OF EXAMPLE, COULD BE 80 TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND ADDITIONAL REVENUE FOR TOURISM. SO I'M A HUGE SUPPORT OF TOURISM FOR, UH, THIS COUNTY. UH, I'M GLAD TO BE ABLE TO CONTRIBUTE TO THAT WITH OUR AIRBNBS. WE'VE PROVEN THE VERY RESPONSIBLE HOSTS AND WE HOPE YOU'LL CONSIDER OUR APPLICATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. WITH THAT PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN AND ONE SIGN UP. I REALIZE THAT THIS MOMENT THAT I DID NOT PUT UP A SIGN UP SHEET, SO WE DO NOT HAVE ANYONE SIGNED OFF. OKAY. DOES ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK? THAT DIDN'T SIGN? PLEASE COME FORWARD. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. PLEASE COME FORWARD TO THE MICROPHONE. [01:05:21] EVENING BOARD MEMBERS, UH, WE ARE THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO THIS. UH, UH, I NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, SIR. I'M SORRY. NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. UH, MY NAME, ADDRESS. MY NAME'S TOM DEVO AT 2 33 LOU CHASE ROAD. WE'RE THE, UH, PROPERTY ADJACENT TO THIS, UH, CUP, UH, APPLICATION. AND THEY, THEY ALREADY READ WHAT OUR CONCERNS WERE, BUT I'LL REITERATE 'EM. IT'S BASICALLY THE, UH, I GUESS THE MOST PRESSING IS THE, UH, THE LOCATION. UH, YOU KNOW, IT, IT IS PRETTY CLOSE. IT, IT'S GOTTEN EVEN CLOSER WITH THE ADDITION OF THE EARTH ENCLOSED PORTS NOW. UM, JUST THE TRAFFIC, THE WINERIES AND THINGS, AND DOG WALKERS AND CHILDREN IN THE AREA. WE'VE JUST KIND OF LIKE OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, ANY ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, IN THE, IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA. AND THAT'S BASICALLY IT. UM, THEY ARE LOCATED IN WINCHESTER, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S CLOSE ENOUGH FOR, UH, THE PURPOSE OF RENTING AND MANAGING THEIR PROPERTY. BUT, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THEY DO HAPPEN TO GET ROWDY RENTERS IN THERE, THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE THE ONES WHO, UH, COMPLAIN OR WHATEVER. WE DON'T WANT TO BE A PART OF THAT. ANYHOW, THAT'S BASICALLY OUR MAIN CONCERNS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? YOU GOT TWO HOLDING HER HAND UP. I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE'S FIRST. UH, SHE WAS, SHE WAS STANDING. UH, MY NAME IS MAUREEN DIAZ. YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN ME BEFORE FOR THE SAME PURPOSE ON, ON OTHER PETITIONS. UM, I'LL, I'LL START BY SAYING MY HUSBAND AND I ACTUALLY ASPIRE TO, UH, IN A FEW YEARS, PROBABLY HAVE A, UH, AN AIRBNB WITHIN OUR OWN HOME EVENTUALLY. BUT THEREIN LIES THE RUB. WE ARE REALLY SICK AND TIRED OF THERE BEING SO MANY AIRBNBS IN OUR LITTLE COMMUNITY. AND LET ME STRESS THAT WORD, COMMUNITY. WE ARE A COMMUNITY. WE ARE NEIGHBORS. I MOVED UP THERE NINE YEARS AGO WITH MY HUSBAND AND CHILDREN AND IMMEDIATELY MADE FRIENDS, MADE RELATIONSHIPS. WE HAVE COFFEE TOGETHER. WE TAKE WALKS. WE, WE HELP EACH OTHER WHEN THERE'S A NEED. WE'RE A COMMUNITY. AND WHAT WE'RE FINDING HAPPENING IN THESE LAST FEW YEARS IS ONE AFTER ANOTHER, AFTER ANOTHER, AFTER ANOTHER, THE COUNTY IGNORES OUR ONE REALLY SPECIFIC REQUEST, WHICH IS, IF YOU WANT TO OPERATE AN AIRBNB IN OUR COMMUNITY, YOU NEED TO LIVE IN OUR COMMUNITY. SO YOU'RE THERE FOR OVERSIGHT. AND NEARLY NONE OF THE AIRBNBS, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE DEVOES, UH, AND, UH, BARBARA AND, AND, UH, TOM'S PROPERTY, WHICH IS ADJACENT. THEY LIVE THERE, THEY TAKE CARE OF THEIR PROPERTY. UM, THERE ARE NO PROBLEMS THERE. BUT THIS WOULD BE THE THIRD THAT I'M AWARE OF. THE THIRD AIRBNB ON LITTLE SHORT OLD LOU CHASE ROAD, WHERE PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE GRANDCHILDREN RIGHT DOWN THE STREET. UH, WE HAVE VERY DEAR FRIENDS, UH, JUST A FEW HOUSES DOWN FROM THIS PROPOSED PLACE WITH SEVERAL CHILDREN. WE NOTICE THAT WHEN PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY DRIVE THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY, THEY TEND TO GO TOO FAST. THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE CURVES. THEY'RE NOT CAREFUL ABOUT THE CHILDREN OR THE PEOPLE WALKING THEIR DOGS. BUT MORE THAN THAT, IT REALLY DOES JUST CHANGE THE FLAVOR. WE MOVED TO SKYLAND ESTATES, AS DID MOST PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE BECAUSE WE LIKE THE COMMUNITY RELATIONSHIPS. YOU KEEP PUTTING IN AIRBNBS AND YOU'RE CHANGING IT, CHANGING IT DRASTICALLY. AND WE'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN QUITE A BIT JUST IN THE LAST TWO YEARS. SO WE KEEP PUTTING THESE IN. THE PEOPLE DON'T OWN THEIR, GRANTED, WINCHESTER IS ONLY 30 MINUTES AWAY. THAT'S A LOT BETTER THAN THOSE OWNERS WHO ARE IN DC OR NEW YORK. BUT WE HAVE THIS ONE REQUIREMENT BECAUSE WE WANT YOU TO BE PART OF OUR COMMUNITY. YOU'RE NOT PART OF OUR, OUR COMMUNITY WHEN YOU'RE JUST BUYING UP PROPERTIES TO EARN MONEY AS AN INVESTMENT. I UNDERSTAND INVESTMENTS, [01:10:01] BUT WE ARE A COMMUNITY AND WE'RE SICK AND TIRED. I DON'T KNOW A SINGLE NEIGHBOR WHO ACTUALLY WANTS THIS. EVERYONE WHO HAS, AND, AND I FIELD CALLS, NONE OF US WANT THIS. SO I WOULD ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER THAT. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. I'M GARY SMOLEN, UH, FROM, UH, BY FROST, WILLIAM LINDEN IN SCHOLARLY IN THE STATES. I'M ALSO THE PRESIDENT OF SCHOLARLY COMMUNITY CORPORATION. AT OUR DECEMBER MEETING, WE VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO DISAPPROVE THIS APPLICATION AFTER A REQUEST FOR COMMENTS. UH, BASICALLY BECAUSE WE HAVE GUIDELINES, UH, THIS IS IN VIOLATION OF OUR OWNER OCCUPANCY THAT WE REQUIRE. UM, ALSO THE 48 FEET SEPARATION FROM ITS NEAREST NEIGHBOR IS, AND APPLICATIONS HAVE BEEN DENIED FOR THAT IN THE PAST. UH, THAT IT'S JUST TOO CLOSE. UH, THIS NEW OWNER HAS NOT TAKEN POSSESSION OF THE PROPERTY YET. IT WAS JUST SOLD IN DECEMBER. UH, SO HE'S NOT AWARE OF WHAT HE'S GETTING INTO. UM, AND I'M, I KNOW THAT AIRBNBS AND SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE BENEFICIAL TO THE COUNTY AND THE TAX BASE, BUT THEY DO NOTHING FOR THE NEIGHBORHOODS. AND ALSO THAT LU CHASE, PLEASE UNDERSTAND, IS A VERY NARROW ROAD. IT'S D IT VARIES FROM 10 FEET TO 12 FEET. IT'S VERY SMALL. UH, SO IF THERE IS PARTIES AND THERE ARE ALWAYS PARTIES AT AIRBNBS, IF PEOPLE ARE PARKING ON THE RIGHT OF WAY, IT'S GOING TO OBSTRUCT TRAFFIC. UM, SO I JUST WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU DISAPPROVE THIS APPLICATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? YES. HI, MY NAME IS JUDY CANTERBURY AND I'M NOT HERE FOR THIS ISSUE, BUT, UM, I FEEL COMPELLED. I LOVE THE IDEA OF THAT AIRBNB, 50% OCCUPANCY. MY FAMILY COMES TO VISIT ME AND THEY'RE LESS THAN 50% OF THE TIME. . I DON'T THINK THAT'S SUCH A, A BIG BURDEN. UM, TWO, I LOVE THE SENSE OF COMMUNITY, BUT I CONSIDER WINCHESTER ARE PART OF MY COMMUNITY. I DON'T FEEL THE NEED TO EXCLUDE PEOPLE THAT ARE 30 MINUTES AWAY. I LOVE THAT. THE FACT THAT THEY WERE WILLING TO INVEST, OH, I'M SORRY. . I LOVE, THEY'RE WILLING TO INVEST IN FRONT ROYAL AND ADD TO OUR ECONOMY AND GET US UP ON THE RISE. AND, UM, I, I'M SORRY, 5 62 ASHBY STATION. , YOU'RE GOOD. UM, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TRAFFIC, I DISAGREE WITH THE TRAFFIC. I TRAVEL. AND WHEN I'M ON A ROAD, I DON'T KNOW, I'M MORE CAUTIOUS. HOWEVER, I DO SPEED ON MY ROAD, 5 62 POSITIONED ROAD. UM, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE, YOU'RE MORE COMFORTABLE, RIGHT? SO I DON'T, I I, I'M NOT BUYING INTO THE, THE, THE TRAFFIC ISSUE. AND I HAVE STATED AIRBNBS, AND I PROMISE YOU, I HAVE NEVER HAD A PARTY AT AN AIRBNB. SO I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA BE ADVERSARIAL, BUT I THINK THESE ARE ALL JUST GRASPING AT STRAWS. AND, UM, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO EMBRACE OUR COMMUNITY, WHICH INCLUDES WINCHESTER. AND I CAN TELL YOU THE FAMILY THAT STAYS WITH ME IS NOT GONNA GIVE ME FIVE STARS. . SO GOOD ON YOU. SO THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I WANNA SAY. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? ANYONE? PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. OH, THE TRAFFIC AND ALL THOSE OTHER CONCERNS. YOU KNOW, THE AIRBNB IS LESS AMOUNT. UH, THE CONCERNS ARE THE SETBACKS, THE 95 AND THE 46. ALL I THINK WE GOT. IN OTHER WORDS, [01:15:01] I DIDN'T SEE IT IN A PACKET UNLESS I MISSED IT SOMEWHERE. DO WE HAVE WRITTEN CONSENT FROM THE TWO NEIGHBORS THAT ARE LESS THAN A HUNDRED FOOT SAYING THAT THEY'RE OKAY WITH IT? NO, WE DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING. I DIDN'T SEE THAT EITHER. NO LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. IT, IT, OH, AS IT IS. I, I COULDN'T SUPPORT IT. AT BEST. I COULD TABLE IT TO SEE IF THE APPLICANT COULD GET SUPPORT FROM THOSE. I'D HAVE TO HAVE A WRITTEN, HEY, WE'RE FINE WITH YOU WAVING THE SETBACK, BUT AS, AS IT EXISTS, WE HAVE ONE NEIGHBOR HERE. TWO, TWO OR TWO, THREE. THREE. YEAH. IS 2, 3 3. THE 95 FOOT, THE 2 3 3 IS THE 95 FOOT HERE. YEP. YEP. YEP. THEY ARE HERE. AND THEY DID SPEAK OUT. YES. THEY'RE, THEY'RE AGAINST IT. WELL, I, I, I CAN'T, I CAN'T APPROVE IT IS 180 9 THE NEXT DOOR. THE ONE AT 40. I HAVE HIS TEXT. WELL, YOU COULD, YOU COULD GET A WRITTEN LETTER FROM HIM, BUT YEAH, I CAN GET A WRITTEN LETTER FROM HIM. HE'S ANYTHING THERE? HE HAD, HE JUST BOUGHT IT. HE'S NOT PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED, FOLKS. WELL, YES. SO 1, 180 9 HAS NOT TAKEN OCCUPANCY YET. WELL, I, YEAH, I MEAN, I MEAN, I COULD, I WOULD MAKE THEM, YOU KNOW, THEY'D HAVE A BETTER SHOT AT THE BOARD IF THEY GET THE, UH, IF THEY COULD GET SOME WRITTEN CONSENT FROM BOTH NEIGHBORS THAT ARE LESS THAN A HUNDRED FOOT. UH, I'M ALWAYS IN SUPPORT OF IT, OF WAIVING THAT. AS LONG AS I HAVE 100% WRITTEN CONSENT FROM, UH, FROM BOTH NEIGHBORS. UH, AND THEY WOULD, UH, REGARDLESS OF WHAT, HOW WE VOTE THIS, UH, YOU'D HAVE AN OPTION TO CORRECT THAT TIME IT GETS TO THE BOARD. UH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. WAS ANYBODY ELSE? NO, I AGREE WITH YOU. NO, I'M IN AGREEMENT. OKAY. IF I MAKE THE MOTION, PLEASE DO. MM-HMM . I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO DENY THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST OF GIL AND, AND RICHARD BUTCHER. DBA TWO MEXICAN, LLCB ALLEN RICHARDS, LLC. I'LL SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE, IT'LL BE PASSED ALONG TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT [VII.F. Z2024-12-01 – Training Facility & Social Hall – Little Boy Ventures, LLC (Rick Rumbarger) - A request to amend Chapter 180 of the Warren County Code to amend §180-8C to add definitions for training facility and social hall, to amend §180-21D to add training facility and social hall as uses permitted by conditional use permit in the Agricultural zoning district, to enact §180-56.6 to add supplementary regulations for social hall, and to amend §180-57 to add supplementary regulations for training facility. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator] ITEM Z 20 24 12 0 1 TRAINING FACILITY AND SOCIAL HALL LITTLE BOY VENTURES, LLC RICH RUMBAR. REQUEST TO AMEND CHAPTER 180 OF THE WARREN COUNTY CODE TO AMEND SUBSECTION 180 DASH EIGHT C AND ADD DEFINITIONS FOR TRAINING FACILITY AND SOCIAL HALL TO AMEND SUBSECTION 180 DASH 20 1D TO ADD TRAINING FACILITY AND SOCIAL HALL AS USES PERMITTED AND THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT. AND TO ENACT SUBSECTION 180 DASH 56.6 TO AMEND, TO ADD SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS FOR SOCIAL HALL AND AMEND SUBSECTION 180 DASH 57 TO ADD SUPPLEMENTARY REGULAT REGULATIONS FOR TRAINING FACILITY. MR. LIN ADD. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. ATTACHED TO THE DRAFT ORDINANCE TO AMEND CHAPTER 180 OF THE WARREN COUNTY CODE TO ADD DEFINITIONS FOR TRAINING FACILITY AND SOCIAL HALL TO ADD TRAINING FACILITY AND SOCIAL HALL AS USES PERMITTED BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT. AND TO ADD SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS FOR THOSE USES. THIS ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED BY LITTLE BOY VENTURES LLC AND WAS FILED CONCURRENTLY WITH CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATIONS TO ESTABLISH A TRAINING FACILITY. SOCIAL HALL AND PRIVATE USE CAMPING FOR UP TO FOUR RECREATIONAL VEHICLES AT HIS PROPERTY, LOCATED AT SEVEN 14 RIVERMONT DRIVE. UPON REVIEW OF THE INTENDED LAND USES WITH THE APPLICANT, PLANNING STAFF DETERMINED THE CURRENT AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT REGULATIONS DO NOT PERMIT TRAINING FACILITIES OR SOCIAL HALLS. AND THAT A TEXT AMENDMENT IS NECESSARY TO ADD THE INTENDED USES TO THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT REGULATIONS AS LAND USES PERMITTED BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WITH NEW DEFINITIONS AND SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS. THE PROPOSED DEFINITION FOR SOCIAL HALL IS A BUILDING OR ROOMS WITHIN A BUILDING USED FOR HOSTING PUBLIC OR PRIVATE SOCIAL AND CULTURAL EVENTS SUCH AS MEETINGS, CONFERENCES, SEMINARS, PARTIES, BANQUETS, WEDDINGS, AND OTHER RECEPTIONS. THE PROPOSED SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS FOR SOCIAL HALLS INCLUDE A STATE MAINTAINED ROAD FRONTAGE AND ACCESS REQUIREMENT, AN EMERGENCY EVACUATION PLAN REQUIREMENT, A MINIMUM ACREAGE REQUIREMENT OF TWO ACRES, A SETBACK REQUIREMENT OF 50 FEET FOR FROM ANY BUILDING USED AS A SOCIAL HALT TO ANY PROPERTY LINE OR RIGHT OF WAY, AN ILLUSTRATIVE DEVELOPMENT PLAN REQUIREMENT, PARKING REQUIREMENTS, A RESTRICTION ON ONSITE FOOD PREPARATION FOR EVENTS AND OPTIONS TO LIMIT THE HOURS OF OPERATION TO FURTHER RESTRICT THE OVERALL MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY BEYOND THE LIMIT PLACED BY THE VIRGINIA UNIFORM STATEWIDE BUILDING CODE FOR THE BUILDING AND THE LIMIT PLACED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT ON THE OPERATION PERMIT [01:20:01] FOR THE ONSITE TO DISPOSAL SYSTEM. THE PROPOSED DEFINITION FOR TRAINING FACILITY IS A FACILITY UTILIZED FOR INDOOR AND OUTDOOR TRAINING PROGRAMS AND EXERCISES FOR THE EDUCATION AND DEVELOPMENT OF A PARTICULAR SKILL. THE TERM EXCLUDES SHOOTING RANGES, COMMERCIAL, OUTDOOR RECREATION, OPERATIONS, AND RETREAT CENTERS. THE PROPOSED SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS FOR TRAINING FACILITIES INCLUDE A STATE MAINTAIN ROAD FRONTAGE AND ACCESS REQUIREMENT, EMERGENCY EVACUATION PLAN REQUIREMENT, MINIMUM ACREAGE REQUIREMENT OF TWO ACRES, 50 FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT FOR, UH, ANY BUILDING AND OUTDOOR AREAS USED FOR TRAINING TO ANY PROPERTY LINE OR RIGHT OF WAY ILLUSTRATIVE DEVELOPMENT PLAN REQUIREMENT PARKING REQUIREMENTS, SCREENING REQUIREMENTS FOR OUTDOOR EQUIPMENT STORAGE AREAS, A REQUIREMENT FOR PROPERTY BOUNDARIES TO BE CLEARLY MARKED AT ALL TIMES. A NOISE LIMIT OF 62 DECIBELS MEASURED AT THE NEAREST PROPERTY LINE FOR ALL TRAINING ACTIVITIES DURING HOURS OF OPERATION AND OPTIONS TO LIMIT THE HOUR OF HOURS OF OPERATION TO AND TO FURTHER RESTRICT THE OVERALL MA MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY BEYOND THE LIMIT PLACED BY THE BUILDING CODE AND HEALTH DEPARTMENT. THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED. THE APPLICANT, UH, RICK, RICK RUMBERGER IS HERE THIS EVENING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US, AND LIKE I SAID, THIS WILL FOLLOW WITH THREE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS. YES. ANYTHING TO ADD? UH, RICK RUMBERGER 4 0 7 7 9 ROLLING FIELD LANE. UH, THANK YOU. UH, BEFORE I JOINED IN HERE AND PROVIDED A FEW EXTRA COMMENTS, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT WORKING WITH MATT AND CHASE HAS BEEN A VERY POSITIVE EXPERIENCE AND HE, THEY HAVE BOTH BEEN WORKING TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THE COUNTY'S NEEDS ARE MET, NOT JUST POTENTIAL INVESTORS IN THE COMMUNITY. SO THANK YOU GENTLEMEN FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE. UH, WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY IN DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR, UH, EXCUSE ME, 2023. SO APPROXIMATELY ONE YEAR AGO WITH THE INTENTION OF USING IT FOR WHAT IT HAS HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN USED FOR, AND THE APPLICATIONS THAT YOU HAVE TODAY. AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE LETTER FROM THE CURRENT FIRE CHIEF AND THE PAST FIRE CHIEF ALIGNED WITH THOSE, THE ONLY TWO THINGS THAT WE'VE REALLY LOOKED TO CHANGE IS WE ARE ELIMINATING THE COMMERCIAL KITCHEN THAT WAS IN THE SOCIAL HALL. AND WE ARE MOVING THE BUNK ROOMS THAT USED TO BE LOCATED IN THE MAIN BUILDING OUT TO, UH, THE COMMERCIAL, EXCUSE ME, THE, THE PRIVATE RVS THAT WILL BE USED BY FRIENDS, FAMILY, AND VOLUNTEERS. THEY WILL NOT BE RENTED, THEY WILL NOT BE PUT OUT TO STRANGERS. SO, UM, WE ARE JUST LOOKING TO CONTINUE TO USE THE PROPERTY AS IT HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN USED. AND WE VIEW THIS AS AN ACTUAL ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY, UH, FOR A TRAINING FACILITY AS AN ADDITIONAL LOCATION THAT CAN BE USED FOR SOCIAL EVENTS. THAT'S IT. I'M HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN. ANYONE SIGNED UP? ALLISON? YES. JOE SEK. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JOE SOAK. I'M AT 43 CHESTER STREET HERE IN FRONT ROYAL. I, I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF CHARLES AND HENRY AND VICTORIA SWEENEY, THE ADJACENT LANDOWNER TO THE PROPERTY. UM, MY COMMENTS ARE GONNA BE THE SAVE TIME THIS EVENING IS GETTING LATE FOR ITEMS FGH AND I ON YOUR AGENDA. THAT WAY I WON'T HAVE TO KEEP COMING BACK UP HERE AND SAYING THE SAME THINGS. UM, SO, UM, WE BELIEVE WHEN MY CLIENTS BELIEVE THIS, USE THE, THESE ACTIVITIES THAT, UM, ARE BEING PROPOSED WILL CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA AROUND. THIS IS AN AG ZONE AND THIS WOULD SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THAT RURAL COMMUNITY, UM, TRAINING FACILITY. THAT IS, WE HAVE THE DEFINITION OF WHAT A TRAINING FACILITY IS, BUT I COULDN'T IN MY READING OF ALL THE CUP APPLICATIONS, WHAT THIS APPLICANT INTENDS ON DOING, WHAT TYPE OF TRAINING HE'S DOING. SO IT'S WIDE OPEN. THERE'S NO LIMITS TO IT. UM, THE SOCIAL HALL, THERE'S SOME ISSUES ON TRAFFIC, ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD. THAT'S NOT THE WORST ROAD, ROAD IN THE COUNTY, BUT IT'S NOT THE BEST ROAD IN THE COUNTY. UM, THE NOISE, I I I, I KNOW THERE IS A LIMIT OF MIDNIGHT ON THE, UH, SOCIAL HALL ACTIVITIES. IT COULD SPEAR OUT UNTIL, UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THAT AREA, BECAUSE IT'S [01:25:01] A RURAL AREA, GO TO SLEEP EARLIER THAN SOMEBODY WHO MIGHT LIVE, YOU KNOW, IN, IN AN URBAN AREA. SO, UM, NOISE TRAFFIC COULD BE A CONCERN. UM, I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT FROM TALKING WITH STAFF, UH, WANTS TO USE THIS AS A TRAINING FACILITY TO WORK ON MILITARY VEHICLES LIKE A MECHANIC, WHICH IS PROBABLY BETTER SUITED IN A COMMERCIAL OR AN INDUSTRIAL ZONE, LIKE A GARAGE, A MECHANIC'S GARAGE. 'CAUSE IF THEY'RE GONNA TRAIN PEOPLE ON HOW TO FIX A TANK OR A ANOTHER PIECE OF MILITARY EQUIPMENT, THEY GOTTA GET THEIR HANDS DIRTY. UM, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO, IT'S A MECHANIC SHOP AND THOSE ARE BETTER. UM, UM, PLACES TO DO THAT WOULD BE IN A COMMERCIAL AND AN INDUSTRIAL ZONE. UM, THERE IS ANOTHER LANDOWNER THAT OWNS THE ADJACENT PROPERTY WITH MY CLIENTS. IT, IT'S THEIR SIBLINGS AND HE'S HERE. HE, HE IS HERE TONIGHT, WHICH I BELIEVE HE IS GOING TO SPEAK. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. JOHN SWEENEY. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JOHN SWEENEY. YES, 11 RIO LANE FRONT ROYAL VIRGINIA. OUR FAMILY FARM HAS, UM, A LITTLE OVER 800 FEET COMMON BORDER TO THIS PROPERTY. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WAS ESTABLISHED TO BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY, WHICH IT CONTINUES TO DO TO THIS DAY AT ITS NEW LOCATION. ALL OF THE ACTIVITIES, INCLUDING THE SOCIAL HALL THAT THE OLD FIRE DEPARTMENT OPERATED, WERE TO SUPPORT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THUS SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY. LITTLE BOY VENTURES IS A PRIVATE ENTERPRISE AND NOT THE SAME AS A LOCAL FIRE DEPARTMENT, WHICH EXISTS TO S WHICH EXISTS TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY. EVEN IF PROCEEDS ARE DONATED TO THE COMMUNITY BY LITTLE BOY, THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THAT THE NEXT OWNER WILL DO THE SAME. I FEEL THIS PROPOSED COMMERCIAL USE IS NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE PRIOR USE OF THIS PROPERTY AND IS NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE RURAL CHARACTER OF THE AREA. I ASK THAT YOU DO NOT RECOMMEND REZONING TO ALLOW A SOCIAL HALL AT THE OLD FIRE DEPARTMENT PROPERTY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CHARLES SWEENEY. OKAY THEN THAT WOULD BE THE END OF THE LIST. ANYONE ELSE CARE TO SPEAK? GOOD EVENING. MY NAME'S DAVE FOGLE. MY WIFE IS KIMBERLY. WE LIVE AT 6 58 RIVERMONT DRIVE. WE ARE ADJACENT TO THE BUILDING IN QUESTION. WE DON'T OWN JUST THE PROPERTY. WE LIVE THERE. THAT'S WHERE WE GET UP AND GO TO WORK EVERY SINGLE DAY. UM, WHEN RICK AND ALL THE GUYS CAME IN THERE, THEY BECAME PART OF THE COMMUNITY. THE VERY FIRST THING THEY DID WAS REACH OUT TO ME, REACH OUT TO THE OTHER NEIGHBORS AND ASKED, WHAT'S IT LIKE HERE? WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? IN REFERENCE TO THE FIRE HALL, I SPENT 25 YEARS AT THAT FIRE HALL. 15 YEARS WAS A CHIEF. OKAY. I KNOW WHAT WENT ON IN THAT FIRE HALL, GOOD AND BAD. UM, WAS IT A SOCIAL HALL? YES. SOCIAL HALL. NOTHING'S CHANGING. WE, MY WHOLE TIME THERE, IT WAS A SOCIAL HALL TRAINING. WE HELD TRAINING THERE ALL THE TIME TO TALKING ABOUT THE NOISE. WHEN I FIRST JOINED THERE, THE SIREN WENT OFF ALL THE TIME. YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT NOISE? THAT WAS NOISE. ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID IS WE GOT RID OF THE SIREN. SO THAT WAS GONE WHEN RICK AND OTHER GENTLEMEN CAME IN. THEY ARE FORMER MILITARY, OUR CURRENT MILITARY LAW ENFORCEMENT AND FIREFIGHTERS. THEY'RE NOT JUST ANYBODY OFF THE STREET. THEY HAVE BECAME PART OF THE COMMUNITY WHAT WE NEED. AND THEY ARE OFFERING SOMETHING THAT NOT ONE PERSON STOOD UP HERE AND SAID IN FRONT OF YOU ALL, EVERYBODY THAT COME [01:30:01] UP HERE SO FAR WANTS TO MAKE MONEY OFF OF AIRBNB. THEY WANT TO GIVE MONEY BACK TO THE COMMUNITY. THEY WANT TO BE PART OF THE COMMUNITY. THEY'RE NOT HERE TO MAKE MONEY. THEY'RE HERE TO BE PART OF US. AND IF WE CAN'T UNDERSTAND, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED. WE NEED SOMEBODY THAT WANTS TO BE PART OF A COMMUNITY AND PART OF ALL OF US NOT JUST STICKING A BUCK IN YOUR POCKET BY RENTING A HOUSE. SO I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT VERY HARD, UM, NOISE. SURE, THERE'S NOISE, THERE'S NOISE WITH THE TRAFFIC GOING DOWN SIX 19, BUT YOU'RE NOT GONNA STOP THE CARS GOING UP AND DOWN SIX 19. UM, THE OTHER PART IS HISTORY. IF YOU GET A CHANCE, GO OUT THERE. LOOK AT THE TANKS THEY HAVE THERE. LOOK AT THE MILITARY EQUIPMENT THEY HAVE THERE. IT'S HISTORY. THEY ALSO WANT TO TEACH AND INSTRUCT AND SHOW HISTORY. WE DON'T EVEN GET HISTORY IN SCHOOL ANYMORE. SO IT'S SETTING THERE FOR US TO SEE. THERE'S NOT ONE PERSON THAT STOPPED BY THERE TO TALK TO THEM GUYS. AND THEY TURN 'EM AWAY AND KICKED THEM OFF THE PROPERTY. THEY SPEND TIME WITH THEM, THEY SHOW 'EM EVERYTHING. THEY GO OVER EVERYTHING. SO I'M, LIKE I SAID, I AM RIGHT BESIDE 'EM. THEY PUT UP A FENCE, THEY PUT UP TREES. THEY'RE TRYING TO, TO DO THE BEST THEY CAN. AND IF THE BUILDING OFFICIALS WOULD HELP 'EM OUT SOME INSTEAD OF HINDERING EVERYTHING THEY'RE TRYING TO DO, WE COULD GET A LOT MORE DONE. AND THE PROPERTY WILL LOOK A WHOLE LOT BETTER WHEN THEY GET DONE WITH WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. YOU NEED TO GO OUT THERE AND STOP AND LOOK AND LOOK AT THE HISTORY AND EVERYTHING SET IN THERE. WE ALL CAN LEARN FROM THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. NOT ON THE NOTES. . ANYONE ELSE? ANYONE FOR OR AGAINST THAT? THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. IS THE APPLICANT GOING REBUTTAL? IS APPLICANT YES. YES. THANK YOU APPLICANT. HAVE ANY REBUTTAL? ADD TO THE COMMENTS? WE HAVE NO INTENTION OF DOING ANY WORK. WE HAVE NO INTENTION OF TEACHING ANY TYPE OF MECHANICAL ACTIVITIES AT THE PROPERTY. UM, YOU KNOW, WE INVESTED QUITE SIGNIFICANTLY IN A PROPERTY THAT WAS BASICALLY ABANDONED AND WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS GENERATING TAXES. WE PAY OUR TAXES, WE PLAN ON GENERATING MORE REVENUE THAT CAN GENERATE MORE TAXES FOR THE COMMUNITY. WE DONATED $50,000 TO THE RIVERMONT FIRE DEPARTMENT. WE INTEND TO BE A GOOD COMMUNITY MEMBER. SO, UH, I, I CAN'T THANK DAVE ENOUGH WHO IS OUR DIRECT NEIGHBOR AND MR. SWEENEY. I'VE NEVER MET. I HAD MY FIRST PHONE CALL WITH HIM YESTERDAY, SO I I I DON'T KNOW REALLY WHY HE FEELS THE WAY HE DOES, BUT, UM, WE INTEND TO BE PART OF THIS COMMUNITY AND WE DON'T INTEND IN MAKING ANYTHING BAD. THERE ARE OTHER BUILDINGS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT DON'T HAVE THE RESTRICTIONS THAT, AGAIN, CHASE AND MATT'S ORGANIZATION HAVE HELPED THE COMMUNITY BY MAKING SURE THERE WERE LIMITS, THAT THERE ARE NOISE VARIANCES, THAT THERE ARE TIMES OF DAY THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY HAVE THESE ACTIVITIES. THOSE DO NOT EXIST ON THE OTHER FIRE DEPARTMENT. THE OTHER SOCIAL HALL, THEY DIDN'T EXIST ON THE PREVIOUS ONE. SO I, I REALLY THINK THAT IT'S BEEN BOXED PROPERLY TO BE AN ADVANTAGEOUS THING TO THE COMMUNITY. ONE OF THE COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS THAT APPROACHED US AND SAID THEY'D LIKE TO DO SOME TRAINING AS A BALLET GROUP, THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO TEACH YOUNG WOMEN AND YOUNG MEN HOW TO PROPERLY DO BALLET WELL. WHAT ELSE IS A ROOM LIKE THAT GOOD FOR? WE HAVE A 3000 SQUARE FOOT ROOM THAT WE'VE COMPLETELY REHABILITATED AND IT NOW CAN BE USED BY THE COMMUNITY. WHY NOT MAKE IT AN ASSET? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WHILE I'M HERE? I HAVE ANOTHER ONE. SURE. IN THE, IN THE APPLICATION IT'S EXTREMELY VAGUE. IT'S HIS TRAINING FACILITY. YES. SO WHEN I THINK OF TRAINING FACILITY, I WAS, I'M A RETIRED INFANTRY OFFICER, SO MY TRAINING IS WEAPONS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. MAKE, MAKES A LOT OF WHAT NOISE? WHAT IS YOUR, YOUR TRAINING THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE PROVIDING? WELL, PART OF THE VALUE OF OF HAVING A VAGUE DESCRIPTION LIKE THAT IS SO THAT IT CAN BE OPEN FOR LOTS OF THINGS. ONE OF THE APPLICATIONS THAT THE COUNTY [01:35:01] RECEIVED JUST IN THE LAST 48 HOURS WAS FROM A GROUP THAT WANTED TO DO CYBERSECURITY TRAINING IN THAT FACILITY. AND THEY WERE TOLD, HEY, CAN'T DO THAT UNTIL THE ZONING SITUATION IS RESOLVED. SO WE ALREADY HAD A BUSINESS APPLICATION THAT ATTEMPTED TO HAVE A LICENSE AND USE THAT FACILITY THERE. WE ARE NOT SHOOTING GUNS, WE ARE NOT, YOU KNOW, CREATING LOUD NOISE ISSUES. WE DO MAKE TRAINING AVAILABLE TO GOVERNMENT AGENCIES. ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE MEYER INCIDENT WITH SOMETHING CALLED THE KILLDOZER? THAT IS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW WE TRAIN LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT ON HOW TO STOP THREATS THAT MIGHT BE AFTER THE GOVERNMENT. BUT WE'RE, WE'RE NOT CREATING LOUD NOISES. WE ARE NOT SHOOTING BIG TANKS. WE ARE NOT DOING THINGS THAT WON'T BE POSITIVE TO THE COMMUNITY. YOU DON'T HAVE THE LAND FOR THAT EITHER, . EXACTLY. WE, WE ONLY HAVE FIVE ACRES, SO I HATE TO SAY THIS, BUT I THINK WE VEERED OFF A LITTLE BIT. 'CAUSE THE FIRST AMENDMENT WE HERE, FIRST THING THAT WE'RE VOTING ON NOW IS JUST SOCIAL LEGAL. JUST CREATING THE, THE CODE. THE CODE SURE. GET INTO THESE SPECIFICS IN THE NEXT THREE, RIGHT? YEAH. OH, WE DO THAT EVERY TIME. WELL, WE DO. THAT'S, WELL, I'M HERE IF I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS, LEMME KNOW. THIS IS RIGHT NOW ONLY BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, TO AMEND THE CODE. SO DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE FOR THIS PPLICANT AT THIS TIME? NOT PERTAINING TO THE CODE? NO. NO. OKAY. SO WE'LL PROBABLY SEE YOU SOMEWHERE ELSE. OKAY. DON'T RUN AWAY. OKAY. SO THAT, OKAY. FINDING THIS PROPOSED. UH, I MAKE THE MOTION FINDING THAT THE PROPOSED ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT IS APPROPRIATE FOR PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE AND GENERAL WELFARE AND GOOD ZONING PRACTICE. I MOVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL, UM, BE BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE. I, I DO HAVE SOME COMMENTS ON THIS. UM, OKAY. YES, SIR. I, I GUESS FOR STAFF, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE IN A COMMUNITY CENTER AND A SOCIAL HALL? COMMUNITY CENTER IS A, NOT BY A NOT-FOR-PROFIT ORGANIZATION. OKAY. UM, WHAT ABOUT THE RURAL EVENT CENTER? I KNOW THAT'S GOT A 20 ACRE MINIMUM, BUT I MEAN, THE USES LISTED FOR A RURAL EVENT CENTER AND THE USES WE HAVE LISTED FOR THIS ARE NEAR IDENTICAL. SO I MEAN, IN HERE WE SAY YOU COULD HAVE A WEDDING, UM, AND IT'S A TWO ACRE MINIMUM PROPERTY. SO THE PRIMARY DIFFERENCE IS THAT A RURAL EVENTS FACILITY CAN BE OUTDOORS. UM, A SOCIAL HALL IS BY DEFINITION WITHIN A BUILDING. THAT IS THE MAIN DIFFERENCE. I GUESS IT ALSO DOESN'T ALLOW FOR LODGING UNITS AND STUFF LIKE THAT ON ITS OWN, AT LEAST. RIGHT. MY FEELING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ADDING VERY ONE WITH THE EVENT CENTER, OR SORRY, THE SOCIAL HALL. WE HAVE VERY SIMILAR USES ALREADY. UM, AND THAT THIS IS TOO VAGUE AND HAS TWO SMALL OF A A LOT REQUIREMENT. IF WE'RE GONNA PUT THIS IN THE AG, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS TO ME SEEMS LIKE A GREAT USE IN THE COMMERCIAL ZONE. UM, AND THE SAME WITH THE, THE TRAINING CENTER. UH, I GUESS ACTUALLY THAT ONE'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. THAT IS JUST, I THINK TOO VAGUE AND I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT, I GOT A QUESTION KIND OF GOING FOR IT. WHAT WE'RE ADDING, WHAT, WHAT RESTRICTS THE SIZE, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE, UH, THE, THE, UH, THE, UH, RURAL EVENT CENTER, WE PUT A, YOU KNOW, UH, MS. COOKS IS 300 PERSON OCCUPANCY. UH, ONLY KNOW THAT 'CAUSE I PUT THE SEPTIC IN. I DIDN'T GET TO VOTE ON THAT. BUT, UH, WHAT, WHAT, UH, FOR THIS ONE HERE, UM, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY THAT BUILDING'S NOT GONNA HOLD 300 PEOPLE. SO IS IT, IS IT, IS THE BUILDING SIZE RESTRICT? ABSOLUTELY. OCCUPANCY WILL BE RESTRICTED BY, UH, YOUR ON SITE SEWAGE DISPOSAL SYSTEM AND, UH, BY THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. DO WE HAVE A CURRENT NUMBER? WHAT THAT WOULD BE? NOT YET. OKAY. WELL THEN THE TRAINING FACILITY, I MEAN, THAT'S AN OUTDOOR ACTIVITY, SO YOU COULD ALWAYS BRING IN LIKE PORTA JOHN'S OR SOMETHING. RIGHT. AND, AND YOU DON'T HAVE A A LIMIT UNLESS YOU WANT TO ADD A RESTRICTION. YES. , THERE'S NO LIMIT TO HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU COULD HAVE OUTSIDE. WE'RE DISCUSSING THE, THE ZONING. THIS ONE BUILDING. YEAH, NO, I I AM TOO EXACTLY. [01:40:03] QUESTIONS. I KNOW WE'RE, WE'RE DISCUSSING A, A TEXT AMENDMENT, RIGHT? YEAH. YEAH. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS BUILDING. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE TEXT AMENDMENT IN GENERAL. SO IT'D BE IN IN FUTURE, ANYBODY ELSE WOULD HAVE THIS OPTION TO COME? WELL, YOU PUT THE RESTRICTIONS ON IT IN THE CEP. SO THE, SO THE, UH, I GUESS THE LANGUAGE WOULD BE FAIR TO SAY THE LANGUAGE IN THE CODE WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT OF VAGUE AND THE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY WILL ACTUALLY INCUR THE RESTRICTIONS IN THE CEP. WOULD THAT BE FAIR? RIGHT. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE GENERIC LANGUAGE THAT IT SHALL NOT EXCEED THOSE, UH, LIMITATIONS PLACED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND BUILDING OFFICIAL. AND, UM, YOU COULD FURTHER RESTRICT IT IN THE CONDITIONS OF THE CEP. BUT IT, I MEAN, IT'S STILL A TWO ACRE MINIMUM FOR BOTH THE SOCIAL HALL AND THE TRAINING FACILITY. I THINK IT SEEMS SMALL. THE SOCIAL HALL I ALSO THINK SHOULD BE COMMERCIAL, NOT AG. SEE, BUT THAT'S WHERE IT, IT'S, IT IS THE SIZING OF IT. IT CHANGES IT FOR ME. OH, YOU KNOW, THIS, UH, THIS OLD DERELICT BUILDING'S BEING RESTORED MM-HMM. PUT BACK INTO THE TAX BASE AND THAT ADDS A LOT OF BENEFIT FOR THE COMMUNITY. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE DON'T NEED 500 PEOPLE OUT THERE FOR AN OUTDOOR TRAINING FACILITY, BUT ON THE ORDINANCE, BUT JUST, JUST PART OF IT, THE ORDINANCE SIDE, I DON'T MIND IT BEING VAGUE, BUT WHEN WE GET INTO THE MORE SPECIFICS OF IT, WHERE I WOULD YEAH. WHERE I WOULD FEEL DRILL, WE WOULD THAT WE WOULD DRAW IT DOWN A LITTLE TIGHTER. SO I'M OKAY WITH THE REGULATION PART FOR THE COUNTY CODE, BUT IT OBVIOUSLY IT'D HAVE TO BE SOME CONDITIONS PUT IN HERE IF WE'RE GONNA APPROVE IT IN IN THE NEXT TWO ITEMS. IS IS THE WAY I'M KIND OF LOOKING AT IT. YEP. YEAH, I, I AGREE WITH THAT. I MEAN, IF, IF WE GET TO SPECIFICS, THEN WE SHOULD HAVE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS. BUT I, I STILL, UH, IF, IF WE DO HAVE A SOCIAL HALL IN THE AG, I JUST FEEL LIKE TWO ACRES IS TOO SMALL. SEE, THAT'S WHERE IT'S HARD. 'CAUSE DEPENDING, I MEAN I'VE BEEN IN THAT BUILDING A LONG TIME AGO AND IT, THAT BUILDING WOULD ACTUALLY FIT IN IN SOMETHING OF THIS NATURE. UM, SO I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM AND I, I THINK THAT'S WHERE DEFINITELY THE CUP WOULD FINE TUNE, BUT, BUT NOT THINKING ABOUT THIS USE NOW ANY TWO ACRE PARCEL IN THE AG THAT FRONTS ON A PUBLIC ROAD MM-HMM . SOMEBODY COULD BUILD A NEW SOCIAL LOG, THEY COULD APPLY THAT DON'T MEAN THAT THEY COULD BUILD IT AND YOU COULD LIMIT IT TO FIVE PEOPLE IF THAT'S ALL THAT FIT. YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S TRUE. THAT'S TRUE. YOU COULD LIMIT IT TO TWO PEOPLE. CORRECT. IF THAT'S ALL THE SEPTIC AND THE OCCUPANCY OF THE BUILDING WILL STAND. SO IT'S BASED ON THE BUILDING AND THE LOT AND HOW IT LAYS OUT AND ALL THAT. BUT FOR A GENERAL CODE, THAT'S WHY I SAY I THINK THE RESTRICTIONS GO IN LATER. CORRECT? YES. AND AS I UNDERSTAND IS IT WAS STATED EARLIER, A SOCIAL HALL IS FOR NON-PROFIT ONLY. THAT IS A COMMUNITY CENTER. THAT'S A COMMUNITY CENTER. YES, IT'S A COMMUNITY CENTER. SOCIAL HALLS FOR RENT. SO IT COULD BE OKAY, THEY DON'T HAVE TO MAKE MONEY, BUT IT, IT COULD BE FOR PROFIT. YEAH. BUT BEING THAT CLOSE TO, I MEAN, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT SAY A GROUP THAT LIVES WITHIN THAT AREA CAN USE FOR A FEE OR IS IT OPEN FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO USE? IT'D BE FOR A FEE. IT'D BE FOR, YEAH, BUT NOT TO THE FEE OF WHAT YOU WOULD BE RENTING SOME SOMEPLACE ELSE. THEY'D HAVE TO BE COMPETITIVE, YOU KNOW, AGAINST, YOU KNOW, THE FIRE HALLS OUT THERE. THEY GOT A ROOM EVERYWHERE MARKET WOULD BEAR. YEAH. WELL, OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? NO. YOU GOT A MOTION? ROBERT FLOOR CARE TO MAKE A MOTION. WELL, WE GOT A MOTION. WAS THE MOTION SECONDED? I DIDN'T RECALL THAT. THERE WAS A SECOND. IT'S ALREADY, UH, A MOTIONS MADE. SECOND. THERE'S NO SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? NO. AYES HAVE IT PASSED. ON TO THE BOARD SUPERVISORS. [VII.G. CUP2024-12-06 – Training Facility - Little Boy Ventures, LLC (Rick Rumbarger) - A request for a conditional use permit for a Training Facility. The property is located at 714 Rivermont Drive and is identified on tax map 27 as lot 24D. The property is zoned Agricultural (A) and is located in the Fork Magisterial District. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator] ITEM G TRAINING FACILITY LITTLE BOY VENTURES, LLC RICK RUMBAR, REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A TRAINING FACILITY. PROPERTY'S LOCATED AT SEVEN 14 RIVERMONT DRIVE IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 27 IS LOT 24 D PROPERTY IS OWNED AGRICULTURAL LOCATED IN THE FORT MAJOR STERILE DISTRICT. MR. LENS. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A TRAINING FACILITY. THE OWNER WOULD LIKE TO ESTABLISH A TRAINING FACILITY TO HOST TRAINING PROGRAMS AND EXER EXERCISES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO HISTORICAL, HISTORIC VEHICLES, RETIRED MILITARY VEHICLES. THE OWNER HAS ALSO APPLIED FOR THE NECESSARY CONCURRENT TEXT AMENDMENT TO ADD TRAINING FACILITY AND SOCIAL HALL AS USES PERMITTED [01:45:01] BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT. UM, WITH NEW DEFINITIONS OF SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS. APPROVAL OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A TRAINING FACILITY WOULD ALLOW FOR ONSITE STORAGE OF RETIRED MILITARY VEHICLES, VEHICLE REPAIR EQUIPMENT, AND OTHER EQUIPMENT USED FOR TRAINING ACTIVITIES SUBJECT TO THE SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS PROPOSED IN THE CONCURRENT TEXT AMENDMENT. I WILL FOREGO, UH, REREADING THE DEFINITION. I JUST READ YOU GUYS. THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1955 BY RIVERMONT COMMUNITY CENTER, INC. THE PROPERTY WAS GIFTED TO THE RIVERMONT VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT IN 1975 AND USED AS A FIRE STATION AND COMMUNITY CENTER UNTIL THE NEW RIVER VERMONT FIRE STATION WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 2020. BOTH THE PUBLIC PROTECTION FACILITY AND COMMUNITY CENTER LAND USES WERE NONCONFORMING TO THE CURRENT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUIREMENT FOR SUCH USES IN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICTS. UM, THERE IS AN EXISTING COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE. WE DID RECEIVE COMMENTS FROM VDOT, UH, STATING THAT THE ENTRANCE WOULD BE ADEQUATE, UH, AND FROM THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, YOU NEED, UH, THE, UH, HOOKUPS FOR THE RVS TO BE PERMITTED THROUGH THEM. OTHER THAN THAT, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. CONDITION NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS, AND VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS. NUMBER TWO, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF TOTAL OCCUPANTS FOR THE TRAINING FACILITY SHALL NOT EXCEED 100 PEOPLE AND THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ANY OCCUPANCY LIMITATION DETERMINED BY THE VIRGINIA UNIFORM STATEWIDE BUILDING CODE OR ANY INDOOR TRAINING PROGRAM SLASH EXERCISE. AND WITH ANY OCCUPANCY LIMITATION DETERMINED BY THE WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT FOR THE ONSITE SEWAGE DISPOSAL SYSTEM. NUMBER THREE, THE APPLICANT SHALL SUBMIT A FINAL ILLUSTRATIVE DEVELOPMENT PLAN SHOWING THE SCHEMATIC DETAILS ON PROPOSED OR EXISTING BUILDING LOCATIONS, SETBACKS FROM BUILDINGS, OUTDOOR TRAINING AREAS AND EQUIPMENT STORAGE AREAS. TWO NEAREST ADJACENT PROPERTY LINES AND RIGHT-OF-WAYS, INGRESS, EGRESS, OUTDOOR LIGHTING, PARKING AREAS, LANDSCAPING SCREENING AND SIGNAGE TO PLANNING STAFF PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF BUILDING AND ZONING PERMITS. PLANNING STAFF SHALL CONDUCT A SITE VISIT PRIOR TO VERIFY COMPLIANCE WITH ALL SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS AND OTHER APPLICABLE PROVISIONS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE PRIOR TO AN ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF ZONING. NUMBER FOUR, ALL TRAINING ACTIVITIES SHALL BE CONDUCTED WITHIN THE HOURS OF 8:00 AM AND 10:00 PM ALL OUTDOOR TRAINING ACTIVITIES SHALL BE CONDUCTED PRIOR TO DUSK. ALL TRAINING ACTIVITIES SHALL NOT PRODUCE SOUND LEVELS WHICH EXCEED 62 DECIBELS DURING HOURS OF OPERATION AT THE NEAREST PROPERTY LINES. AND NUMBER SIX, ANY OUTDOOR AREA USED FOR STORAGE OF HISTORIC VEHICLES AND TRAINING OR REPAIR EQUIPMENT SHALL BE FULLY SCREENED FROM VIEW WHEN NOT IN USED FOR TRAINING OR MAINTENANCE PURPOSES. THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED. ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US, MR. RUMBAR, ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD? NO SIR. THANK YOU. THAT PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN. NO ONE SIGNED UP. ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK ANYHOW? PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. OH, HOW DID THE I'M SORRY. IS IT OKAY IF YEAH, GO FOR IT. OH, HOW DID WE GET UP? HOW DID WE GET TO NUMBER 100? JUST CURIOUS. UH, I TALKED THE APPLICANT DOWN FROM 200. NO, I'M JUST KIDDING. . HE, UH, HE, WE, I DISCUSSED IT WITH THE APPLICANT AND THAT'S THE NUMBER THAT HE WAS, UH, REQUESTING. OBVIOUSLY IF THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT OR BUILDING OFFICIAL GET BACK WITH A LOWER NUMBER, THAT'S WHAT HE IS GONNA BE HELD TO. OKAY. IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I'VE BEEN TO THAT PROPERTY. I'M TRYING TO THINK WHETHER A HUNDRED'S HIGH OR NOT. MM. WELL, IT'LL DEAL WITH THE HVAC SYSTEM. HOW MANY CUBIC FEET PER PERSON PER HOUR? MORE THAN LIKELY IS GONNA BE THE BIGGEST LIMITATION THERE. I I I'M I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE ELBOW ROOM PARKING. YOU KNOW, THIS IS ALSO THE TRAINING FACILITY, SO IT WOULD BE INDOOR AND OUTDOOR, RIGHT? YEAH. SO IT'S NOT JUST LIMITED TO HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD BE IN THE BUILDING. YEAH. BUT A HUNDRED'S, A LOT INDOOR. SO YEAH, HUNDRED'S A LOT IN THE BUILDING, BUT MM-HMM . THE BUILDING'S GONNA HAVE ITS OWN OCCUPANCY REQUIREMENTS SET BY FIRE MARSHAL. YEAH, BUT I CAN LIMIT THE OUTSIDE TOO RIGHT NOW. WELL, YEAH, WOULD, WOULD, THIS IS THE HUNDRED WOULD BE THE WHOLE PARCEL. BUT THINK IF THERE'S THE POTENTIAL FOR, I'M JUST ENVISIONING POSSIBLY SCHOOL EVENTS, FIELD TRIPS, ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE. MM-HMM . THERE ARE LITTLE KIDS, A HUNDRED THAT'S FOUR, FOUR CLASSES, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THAT'S 25 KIDS PER, YOU KNOW, CASE SCENARIO. BUT NOW IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE TOO MANY PEOPLE. NO. YOU KNOW, SO I'M JUST THINKING, GIVING A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT THIS TO ME, WHAT THIS COULD POTENTIALLY BE FOR, FOR THE COMMUNITY IN THAT ASPECT. SO I KNOW BACK IN THE DAY WE WOULD FILL THAT BUILDING UP QUITE A BIT, UM, WHEN THEY WOULD HAVE PAGEANTS AND, AND EVENTS THERE THAT, THAT BUILDING WAS PRIMARILY USED FOR MANY BEAUTY PAGEANTS. UM, [01:50:02] SO A HUNDRED DOESN'T QUITE SOUND HORRIBLE IN MY ASPECT, IN, IN THAT ASPECT OF LITTLE'S. YEAH. SO, YEAH, WELL I, YOU KNOW, DIDN'T THINK THAT THIS WAS A, I DIDN'T LIKE THE, THE USE. UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF ASSUMING THAT GOES FORWARD, I DO FEEL LIKE THIS MEETS THE, UM, THE ORDINANCE. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH A HUNDRED PEOPLE TO THE VEHICLES THOUGH. UH, IF THEY'RE GONNA BE WORKING ON MILITARY VEHICLES, I'D LIKE TO SEE A RESTRICTION THAT IT'S ONE, NOT BE A TRACK VEHICLE BECAUSE THOSE ARE NOISY REGARDLESS. AND TWO, THAT THERE, THERE'S NO WEAPON SYSTEMS, EVEN INOPERABLE WEAPON SYSTEMS. SO LIKE IF THEY'RE GETTING A STRIKER, WE CAN'T HAVE THE 25 MILLIMETER MIC MIC ON THE FRONT OR AT LEAST IT NOT BE OPERABLE. NO, I SAID NOT AT ALL. NOT EVEN ATTACHED. NOT AT ALL. OH. I MEAN IF, BECAUSE EVEN IF YOU WERE UNDER A INOPERABLE, A GOOD ARMS ARMOR CAN, CAN GET THOSE BACK UP RUNNING IF YOU, IF YOU WERE TRAINING SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, OR, OR THE HISTORY OR THE TRAINING SIDE OF IT OF, OF WHAT THAT THING DID OR, OR, OR HOW IT WORKS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IT NOT BE THERE WOULD KIND OF HURT THE TRAINING OF IT. YEAH. THERE IS A NOT IF YOU, IF YOU'RE REMOVING THE BARREL IN THE FIRING MECHANISM, THEN THERE'S NO WAY IT COULD REALLY BE REINS REINSTALLED, BUT YOU STILL HAVE THE TRAINING ABILITY OF IT AND WHAT IT WAS USED FOR. A HISTORICAL ASPECT. YEAH. IT'S IF YOU WANT THAT GO DOWN, GO DOWN TO, UH, THE, UH, MARINE MUSEUM IN QUANTICO. BUT DO WE HAVE, YOU WON'T GET THE TRAIN THERE THOUGH, OR LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST, IT'S JUST A MUSEUM AT, YOU CAN LOOK AT IT AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY GET INSIDE SOME OF THE VEHICLES. RIGHT. I JUST HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT, THAT IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING THERE THAT HAS BEEN RENDERED UNABLE TO FIRE, THERE ARE PEOPLE PROBABLY EVEN IN THIS COUNTY THAT WOULD KNOW HOW TO GET THAT OPERAT OPERATIONAL AGAIN. WOULD WE BE ABLE TO EVEN TRY TO REGULATE THAT BEING THAT THERE ARE ALREADY OTHER, THERE ARE OTHER ENTITIES THAT HAVE, UH, MILITARY MUSEUMS AND, AND SUCH OF THAT NATURE? THAT'S, THAT'S A QUESTION I WOULD JUST WANNA PROPOSE. I DON'T KNOW. I I MEAN IT WOULD BE CHASE GOING OUT THERE AND MAKING SURE THAT NO BARREL ON THE, ON THE TANK. AND HOW WOULD WE BE THEY'RE NOT TRYING TO, THEY'RE NOT TRYING TO FIX SOMEBODY IN THE MUSEUM. WELL, IF APPROVED I COULD TAKE A CLASS ON HOW TO DETERMINE IT, YOU KNOW, . OH, CAN I ASK THE APPLICANT A QUESTION? ABSOLUTELY. UM, WOULD YOU MIND COMING BACK UP? PLEASE, SIR. I WISH I COULD JUST ASK YOU FROM THERE, BUT I'M AFRAID YOU GOTTA BE UP HERE WHERE WE CAN RECORD YOU IT IF IT HELPS ANY. I'VE SHARED YOUR PAIN. SCOTT HAS TOO. . OH, MR. RUM GARDNER. UH, IT, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE KILLDOZER INCIDENT AND TRAINING LAW ENFORCEMENT AND STUFF LIKE THAT. IT IS, IS UH, THE MA YOU KNOW, I KNOW THE WEAPON'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE OPERATIONAL. YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE SHOOTING LIVE ROUNDS. WOULD IT MESS YOUR TRAINING UP TO TAKE THE BARRELS OFF OR IS, OR IS THAT PART OF THE, YOU YOU KIND OF NEED THE THING MORE INTACT TO DO WHATEVER TRAINING YOU WERE INTENDED TO DO? WELL, LET'S BACK UP FOR JUST A SECOND IF YOU DON'T MIND. TRAINING WAS VERY VAGUE ON PURPOSE BECAUSE WE WANT TO ALLOW THINGS LIKE THE CYBERSECURITY TRAINING OR THINGS THAT ARE UNRELATED TO MY PERSONAL COLLECTION OF MILITARY VEHICLES. HOWEVER, THERE'S THIS THREE LETTER AGENCY CALLED A TF THAT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR REGULATING. RIGHT. EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. I WOULD ASK THAT THE COUNTY NOT TRY TO SUPERSEDE THE A TF RIGHT ON THOSE REGULATIONS BECAUSE AS AN INDIVIDUAL, MY PERSONAL RIGHTS ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN, THAN WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PLACE HERE FOR THIS ORGANIZATION. THE ALTERNATIVE IS WE JUST DO NOTHING. AND IT'S A STORAGE FACILITY. EVERYTHING'S HIDDEN FROM THE PUBLIC. IT'S INSIDE THE GARAGE DOORS AND IT'S MAINTAINED TO THE LIMITS OF THE LAW BY THE A TF. SO IF IT'S NOT A STRAIN, IF IT'S NOT A TRAINING FACILITY, IT'S YOUR PERSONAL STORAGE, IT'S WHAT IT IS TODAY. AND, AND WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO REGULATE THAT ANYWAY. AND THERE WOULD BE NO TAX VALUE TO THE COMMUNITY AS A, IT'D JUST BE A STORAGE BUILDING. JUST A STORAGE BUILDING FROM MY PERSONAL COLLECTION. SO THIS IS, APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERN THERE, [01:55:01] SIR, ON THAT. BUT THIS BOARD DOES NOT HAVE TAXING ABILITY AND WE CAN'T CONSIDER THAT ASPECT. THAT'S MORE SUPERVISORS. YEP. SO THE, THE VEHICLES ARE ALREADY THERE, SO THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE GOING OUT ON, ON THE ROAD OR BEING DRIVEN FROM OTHER PLACES BACK, BACK INTO HERE ON A REGULAR BASIS. CORRECT. WE OWN THE FACILITY TODAY AND HAVE OWNED IT FOR A YEAR. THE ONLY THING THAT HASN'T HAPPENED IS ANY COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES. NO. CORRECT. SO WE DO RENT VEHICLES FOR INSTANCE, WE JUST RENTED ONE TO A PARAMOUNT TV SERIES. WE HAD ONE OF THE VEHICLES LITERALLY JUST COME BACK. IF I TRIED TO RENT IT TO THE MOVIE INDUSTRY WITHOUT A BARREL, THEY WOULD LAUGH AT ME. YEAH. IT WOULD NOT BE RENTABLE. SO I WAS ENVISIONING EQUIPMENT COMING FROM ELSEWHERE TO GET REPAIRED THERE. NO. AND GOING BACK OUT THERE, THERE ARE NO REPAIR FACILITIES. THE ONLY THING WE WOULD DO IS DO MAINTENANCE ON OUR OWN VEHICLES. MAINTAINING YOUR YOUR HE SAID NO MECHANIC SHOP. CORRECT. NO MECHANIC SHOP OTHER THAN MAINTENANCE OF OUR OWN VEHICLES. OKAY. 'CAUSE THAT'S NOT THE WAY WHEN YOU READ THIS, IT'S NOT PRESENTED IN THAT BATCH. YEAH. I THINK THE, THE CHALLENGE IS BECAUSE WE WOULD BE MAINTAINING OUR OWN VEHICLES. IF I GOTTA CHANGE OIL IN MY OWN PICKUP TRUCK OR I GOTTA CHANGE OIL ON AN ARMORED VEHICLE, IT'S THE SAME ACTIVITY. WE HAVE NO INTENTION OF BEING A COMMERCIAL REPAIR SHOP. ZERO. THAT IS NOT OUR INTEREST. OKAY. UNDER, UNDER TRAINING FACILITY, A COMMERCIAL REPAIR SHOP WOULD NOT BE ALLOWABLE ANYWAY, CORRECT? CORRECT. I WOULD DEFINE IT AS A COMMERCIAL REPAIR GARAGE AND HE WOULD NEED A SEPARATE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND IT WOULD ONLY BE PERMISSIBLE IF THERE WERE A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING ON THE PROPERTY. 'CAUSE IT'S ZONED AGRICULTURAL AND WE HAVE ONE OF THOSE, A FEW DOORS DOWN SIX 19 AUTO. I ACTUALLY JUST GAVE THEM SOME WORK LAST WEEK, SO. MM-HMM. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE FOR, UH, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE MM-HMM. ISSUE WITH THIS PART OF THIS WORK? NO. ANYTHING ELSE FOR MR. RUMBAR? NO. NO. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. JUST MAKE SURE I'M ON THE RIGHT ONE. I CAN MAKE A MOTION QUESTION IF ANYBODY HAS ANY. YEAH, I THOUGHT HE WAS GOING TO. OKAY, I'M GOOD. YES. OKAY. UM, I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST OF LITTLE BOY VENTURES, LLC RICK ROMBERGER FOR A TRAINING FACILITY WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. I'LL SECOND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT'LL BE FORWARDED ON. [VII.H. CUP2024-12-07 – Social Hall – Little Boy Ventures, LLC (Rick Rumbarger) - A request for a conditional use permit for a Social Hall. The property is located at 714 Rivermont Drive and is identified on tax map 27 as lot 24D. The property is zoned Agricultural (A) and is located in the Fork Magisterial District. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator] NEXT ITEM CUP 20 24 12 0 7 SOCIAL HALL LITTLE BOY VENTURES, LLC RICK RUMBAR, REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SOCIAL HALL. PROPERTY'S LOCATED AT SEVEN 14 RIVERMONT DRIVE HAS IDENTIFIED IN TAX MAP 27. IT'S LOT 24 D PROPERTY'S ON AGRICULTURAL LOCATED IN THE FORT MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT. MR. LENS. THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. UH, BEFORE GOING AND REREADING HALF THE STUFF THAT I'VE ALREADY RE READ, UH, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SOCIAL HALL. THE OWNER WOULD LIKE TO ESTABLISH A SOCIAL HALL TO ALLOW FOR THE UPPER PORTION OF THE RETIRED FIRE STATION BUILDING TO BE USED AND RENTED OUT FOR EVENTS AND I'LL FOREGO READING THE PROPERTY HISTORY. UH, THE COMMENTS WERE THE SAME FROM THE AGENCIES AND, UM, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING AN OVERALL OCCUPANCY LIMIT OF 100 PEOPLE. AS STATED BEFORE, THOUGH THE USE WOULD BE FURTHER LIMITED IT, UH, BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT FOR SUCH APPROVAL IF IT'S LESS THAN A HUNDRED. UH, SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. CONDITION NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, AND WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS IN VIRGINIA STATEWIDE. FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS. NUMBER TWO, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF TOTAL OCCUPANTS FOR THE SOCIAL HALL SHALL NOT EXCEED 100 PEOPLE AND THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ANY OCCUPANCY LIMITATIONS DETERMINED BY THE VIRGINIA UNIFORM STATEWIDE BUILDING CODE AND BY THE WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT FOR THE ONSITE SEWAGE DISPOSAL SYSTEM. NUMBER THREE, THE APPLICANT SHALL SUBMIT A FINAL ILLUSTRATIVE DEVELOPMENT PLAN SHOWING SCHEMATIC DETAILS ON PROPOSED OR EXISTING BUILDING LOCATIONS, SETBACKS FROM BUILDINGS TO NEAREST ADJACENT PROPERTY LINES AND RIGHTS OF WAY INGRESS AND EGRESS, OUTDOOR LIGHTING, PARKING AREAS, LANDSCAPING SCREENING AND SIGNAGE TO PLANNING STAFF PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF BUILDING AND ZONING PERMITS. PLANNING STAFF SHALL CONDUCT A SITE VISIT TO VERIFY COMPLIANCE WITH ALL SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS AND OTHER APPLICABLE PROVISIONS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF ZONING. NUMBER FOUR, THE SOCIAL HALL SHALL OPERATE [02:00:01] WITHIN THE HOURS OF 8:00 AM AND MIDNIGHT. AND NUMBER FIVE, THE APPLICANT SHALL ONLY BE PERMITTED TO INCLUDE OUTDOOR COMPONENTS IN A SOCIAL HALL EVENT IF SUCH OUTDOOR COMPONENTS ARE IN CONJUNCTION WITH A PRIMARILY INDOOR EVENT AND ARE INCIDENTAL IN NATURE. UH, THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED. ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER IS NOTIFIED AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. ANYTHING THAT MR. OKAY. PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN. ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK ANYHOW? ONCE AGAIN, I'M DAVE FOGLE. I'M NOT. I JUST WANTED TO ANSWER ONE OF YOUR QUESTIONS. UM, I KNOW I COULDN'T STAND UP. SPEAK WHERE Y'ALL WERE GOING. UM, THE HALL, UM, AT THE HEIGHT OF OUR BANQUETS THAT WE HAD THERE, WE USUALLY PUT ABOUT 130 PEOPLE IN THAT HALL. SO THAT TELLS YOU HOW MANY ADULTS WERE IN THAT HALL. UM, I WILL SAY THAT WHEN THEY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, THE COUNTY HAD CONDEMNED THE BUILDING, UM, AND THEY DECIDED TO BUILD A $2.5 MILLION STATION, WHICH IS VERY NICE. UM, YOU WOULD BE AMAZED HOW MUCH MONEY THEY'VE PUT INTO THE STATION. ROUGHLY $30,000. BROUGHT IT UP TO CODE. THAT'S ALL IT TOOK TO FIX THE BUILDING IN THE FIRST PLACE. UM, THEY TOTALLY TOOK THE FLOOR JOISTS OUT, ADDED NEW BEAMS. THEY REDID THE WHOLE FLOOR. IT IS 50 TIMES MORE STURDY THAN WHAT IT WAS. UM, BUT I JUST WANT TO ADD THAT, UH, WHEN AT THE HEIGHT OF OUR BANQUETS, UM, DURING MY 25 YEARS THERE, IT WAS RIGHT AROUND 130 ADULTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? SEE NO ONE COMING FORWARD? THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. MY OWN PERSONAL THOUGHTS. IT WAS A SOCIAL HALL OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. SO JUST CONTINUATION OF AN EXISTING USE. AGAIN, I THINK WE'VE ASKED A LOT OF QUESTIONS ON THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC. ON THE LAST TAKE A MOTION, PLEASE MOVE TO PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SO SUPERVISORS WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST. LITTLE BOYS LLC RICK RUMBAR FOR SOCIAL HALL WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT'S RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. I'LL SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE WILL BE FORWARDED. NEXT [VII.I. CUP2024-12-08 – Private Use Camping (Up to Four (4) Recreational Vehicles) – Little Boy Ventures, LLC (Rick Rumbarger) - A request for a conditional use permit for Private Use Camping (up to four (4) recreational vehicles). The property is located at 714 Rivermont Drive and is identified on tax map 27 as lot 24D. The property is zoned Agricultural (A) and is located in the Fork Magisterial District. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator] ONE, CUP 20 24 12 0 8. PRIVATE USE CAMPING UP TO FOUR RECREATIONAL VEHICLES. LITTLE BOY VENTURES. LLC RICK RUMBAR. REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR PRIVATE USE. CAMPING FOR UP TO FOUR RECREATIONAL VEHICLES. PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT SEVEN 14 RIVERMONT DRIVE IS IDENTIFIED. TAX MAP 20 SEVENS LOT 24 D PROPERTY IS OWNED AGRICULTURE IN THE FORT MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT. MR. LET THANK YOU. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR PRIVATE USE ING TO ALLOW FOR NO MORE THAN FOUR RECREATIONAL VEHICLES TO BE USED AS TEMPORARY HOUSING FOR VOLUNTEERS FOR THE PROPOSED TRAINING FACILITY AND FOR PERSONAL USE. THE APPLICANT IS ALSO APPLYING FOR SEPARATE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS. AS YOU'RE AWARE, I'LL FOREGO READING THE REST OF THAT SENTENCE. UH, WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION 180 DASH EIGHT C DEFINES PRIVATE USE CAMPING AS NO MORE THAN TWO MAJOR RECREATIONAL VEHICLES USED FOR LIVING, SLEEPING, OR OTHER OCCUPANCY ON ANY LOT OR COMBINATION OF LOTS UNDER ONE OWNERSHIP. PROVIDED THAT SUCH USE IS LIMITED TO THE OWNER, FAMILY MEMBERS OR GUESTS AND NO FEE IS CHARGED FOR CAMPING. THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT REGULATIONS UNDER WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION 180 DASH 21 LISTS PRIVATE USE CAMPING AS USED PERMITTED BY RIGHT, BUT ALSO ALLOWS FOR PRIVATE USE CAMPING FOR WHEN MORE THAN TWO RECREATIONAL VEHICLES ARE TO BE USED. UPON ISSUANCE OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THERE IS A LIMIT OF FOUR RECREATIONAL VEHICLES UNDER THE PRIVATE USE CAMPING LAND USE. SINCE FIVE OR MORE CAMPING UNITS WOULD CONSTITUTE A CAMPGROUND, AGAIN, I WILL FOREGO READING THE PROPERTY HISTORY 'CAUSE YOU'VE HEARD THAT, UH, WE ARE RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS. NUMBER TWO, MATERIALS ASSOCIATED WITH THE CAMPERS ARE TO BE STORED IN A NEAT AND ORDERLY FASHION AT ALL TIMES. NUMBER THREE, MORE THAN FOUR RECREATIONAL VEHICLES AND ANY COMMERCIAL USE OF THE RECREATIONAL VEHICLES SHALL BE PROHIBITED UNLESS OTHERWISE APPROVED FOR A CAMPGROUND THROUGH THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. PROCESS. NUMBER FOUR, USE OF RECREATIONAL VEHICLES FOR STORAGE SHALL BE PROHIBITED. NUMBER FIVE, USE OF RECREATIONAL VEHICLES AS FULL-TIME RESIDENCES SHALL BE PROHIBITED. NO RECREATIONAL VEHICLES SHALL BE OCCUPIED FOR MORE THAN 30 CONSECUTIVE NIGHTS. AND NUMBER SIX, THE RECREATIONAL VEHICLE SHALL BE LOCATED IN THE REAR YARD ONLY THE PLACEMENT OF THE RECREATIONAL VEHICLE SHALL COMPLY WITH THE SIDE AND REAR YARD SETBACK REQUIREMENTS FOR PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE IN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT. UM, THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED. JASON, PROPERTY OWNER IS NOTIFIED. THE APPLICANT IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. ANY THANK YOU. PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN. ANY NO SPEAKERS, [02:05:01] ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. SO WITH THIS, I MEAN, IF THE SOCIAL HALL CAN BE RENTED OUT, THEN WHILE THIS WOULD BE PRIVATE USE, YOU CAN'T RENT THE CAMPERS. I MEAN, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THE USE OF THE CAMPERS IS INCLUDED IN THE RENTAL HALL FEE? ? I BELIEVE THE, UM, SHOULD SAY THE DEFINITION SHOULD SAY FOR ANY FORM OF COMPENSATION, I WOULD CONSIDER THAT A FORM OF COMPENSATION. MM-HMM . YEAH, TRUE BARTER. OKAY. SO THEN, THEN MY UNDERSTANDING WITH THAT WOULD BE NOBODY WHO RENTS THE HALL CAN USE THE CAMPERS. IT WOULD ONLY BE LIMITED TO FAMILY VOLUNTEERS, PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T PAID TO BE THERE. TECHNICALLY THE ONLY RULE WOULD BE THAT HE CANNOT CHARGE A FEE FOR SOMEONE TO STAY IN IT. RIGHT. BUT IF THEY'VE RENTED THE, THE HALL AND IN RENTING THE HALL, YOU GET TO USE THE UH, I WOULD SAY NO. UH, BECAUSE IT IS EXTERIOR TO THE SOCIAL HALL. SO IT'S AN OUTDOOR THING. THE SOCIAL HALL IS INDOOR ONLY. SORRY. SO WHAT YOUR NO MEANS THAT, UH, SOMEBODY WHO RENTS THE HALL COULD FOR, FOR NO ADDITIONAL FEE BE GRANTED THE USE OF THE, THE CAMPERS OR THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO USE THE CAMPERS LOOKS LIKE THEY'D BE ABLE TO USE. ANYBODY COULD USE THEM AS LONG AS THEY WERE NOT BEING CHARGED A FEE. WELL, AND THAT'S MY QUESTION IS IF IS THE RENTAL FEE, PROVE IT IN, I YOU'RE RENTING, YOU'RE RENTING THE HALL IN, IN RENTING THE HALL, YOU GET ACCESS TO THE RV. YOU ARE, YOU ARE GETTING ACCESS. ACCESS. I MEAN THAT, THAT IS YOUR FEE. I MEAN, YOU'VE, YOU'VE PAID FOR THAT USE. I WOULD STILL ARGUE, UH, FOR OVERNIGHT USE OF THOSE CAMPERS, THE SOCIAL HALL CUTOFF IS MIDNIGHT AND YOU COULD ONLY HAVE ANY FORM OF OUTDOOR ACTIVITY GOING ON. IF THERE IS AN INDOOR EVENT. I'M THINKING ABOUT LIKE A WEDDING. SO YOU HAVE A WEDDING THERE AND NOW YOU'VE GOT FOUR UNITS OUTSIDE THAT THE WEDDING PARTY COULD STAY AT. ONE EXAMPLE. VALID. THAT'S VERY VALID. IS, IS THAT ALLOWED WITH HOW WE'RE STACKING THESE CS? AS LONG AS YOU COULDN'T PROVE THAT THEY WERE BEING CHARGED A SEPARATE FEE, AS LONG AS YOU'RE NOT RENTING OUT THE PARKING LOT FROM AN ENFORCEMENT STANDPOINT, I THINK WE WOULD HAVE A TOUGH TIME PROVING BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT TO A JUDGE UNLESS THERE WAS AN ITEMIZED FEE. YOU KNOW, IF THEY WERE CHARGING X AMOUNT FOR THE SOCIAL HALL AND, AND Y AMOUNT WITH THE CAMPERS, THEN WE COULD, YOU KNOW, BRING THAT FORWARD. BUT IF THEY'RE JUST BUNDLED TOGETHER, I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S ENOUGH. UM, IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANNA PROHIBIT, THEN I THINK WE WOULD NEED TO, YOU KNOW, BE MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT THAT. WELL, IF YOU, UH, JUST, I WANNA POINT IT OUT AS, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. I DON'T, I DON'T LIKE THAT , UH, YOU KNOW, IF, IF IT IS, UH, SOLELY FOR PRIVATE USE, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE THING AND, AND IT MIGHT NOT BE THE APPLICANT'S INTENT, BUT AGAIN, THIS DOESN'T, IT'S NOT LIMITED TO THE APPLICANT. THEY HAD A VOLUNTEER TRAINER OR SOMETHING WAS COMING IN, THEY COULD STAY RIGHT, EXACTLY. THEIR OWN CAMPER FOR THEIR OWN, BUT THAT'S A VOLUNTEER. BUT WILL THESE, WILL THESE CAMPERS STAY ON SITE PERMANENTLY? IS THAT A STAFF OR MR. RUM? UM, SO AS RECREATIONAL VEHICLES, THEY DO, UH, HAVE TO REMAIN MOBILE. WE ACTUALLY HAD TO WORK WITH MR. RUNG BARGER TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. UM, SOME PORCHES AND STUFF WERE PUT ON 'EM TO MAKE 'EM PERMANENT AND UH, HE HAD THOSE REMOVED. UM, SO YES, THEY WOULD NEED TO REMAIN PORTABLE. AND THEY ARE VEHICLES, SO I'M SURE THEY'RE DUE FOR ANNUAL INSPECTIONS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, BUT THEY CAN SIT THERE, THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE GONE FOR SO MANY DAYS AND ALL THAT. CORRECT? YEAH. HE'S NOT IN THE FLOODPLAIN. THE FLOODPLAIN I BELIEVE IS THAT'S THAT BECAUSE I REMEMBER IT WAS SOMETHING WEIRD ABOUT THAT. THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO YEAH, IT'S 180 CONSECUTIVE DAYS. THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. THE FLOOD PLANE. YEAH. I KNEW IT WAS SOMETHING WEIRD ABOUT THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF HE HAD TO COMPLY FOR THAT OR NOT. IT WAS IN ONE OF THESE APPLICATIONS I READ, UH, THAT STATED THAT THE TRAILERS WERE INTENDED PURPOSE WAS FOR TRAINERS AND PEOPLE GOING THROUGH THE TRAIN AND VOLUNTEERS. YEAH. SO NOT RECEPTION HALL FOR SOMEBODY. WELL, AGAIN, THAT IS, THIS APP DRIVES IN THE ART THAT, THAT IS THIS APPLICANT'S INTENT? NOT THAT'S INTENT CURRENTLY. YEAH. THE APPLICATION IS NOT LIMITED TO THAT. YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, I REALLY DON'T CARE WHO STAYS IN IT. AS LONG AS THEY'RE NOT A PROBLEM, UH, THAT'S ADDITIONAL USE PERMIT. [02:10:01] MIGHT I JUST ADD, I THINK WHAT WE WOULD PROBABLY LOOK AT IS WHAT HE'S ADVERTISING. IF HE'S, IF HE'S ADVERTISING THEM IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE SOCIAL HALL, THEN HE MIGHT BE IN VIOLATION. BUT IF HE'S NOT ADVERTISING THEM AND THEY'RE JUST PRIVATE USE FOR NO FEE, UM, FROM AN ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM, THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE GOT. RIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. WE'RE NOT GONNA GO OVER THERE AT NIGHT AT 12 O'CLOCK AND CHECK ON HIM. OKAY. I MEAN, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, UNLESS IT'S, UNLESS IT'S A CHASE OVER, THAT'S A, THAT'S A SHERIFF DEPARTMENT ISSUE. OKAY. NOW, IF HE HAS SOMEBODY WHO MAYBE IS DRUNK A LITTLE BIT TOO MUCH AND HE WANTS TO LEND THAT TO HIM, I MEAN, THAT JUST MAKES COMPLETE SENSE. YEAH. BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT SOMEBODY ON THE ROAD. OKAY. SO I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF OVEREXTEND. SO THE, THE, THE LINE IS, AND THE SAME GOES WITH SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTALS. WHAT ARE THEY ADVERTISING? ARE THEY ADVERTISING EIGHT PEOPLE, 10 PEOPLE? ARE THEY EXCEEDING THAT OCCUPANCY LIMIT? IF THEY ARE, THEN THEY'RE NOT IN COMPLIANCE. OKAY. SO FROM THE ENFORCEMENT STANDPOINT, I THINK WHERE WE'RE GOING AT WITH THIS IS THE APPLICANT KNOWS THAT THESE ARE NOT TO BE CHARGED FOR A FEE, SO WE CAN'T ADVERTISE THAT. OKAY. AND THAT THEY'RE TECHNICALLY NOT A PART OF THAT SOCIAL HALL EVENT THAT HE IS CHARGING FOR. OKAY. OKAY. SO I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT. I MEAN, I'M, UH, OKAY. YEAH, I, I JUST, I WANT, I WANNA AVOID THAT THIS WOULD BECOME, YOU KNOW, UH, A FOUR AND A HALF ACRE WEDDING VENUE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE NOW GOT FOUR GULF STREAMS SITTING OUT BACK. USUALLY PEOPLE WANT ADVERTISE FOR THAT TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE THAT OPTION WATCHING, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF THAT EXPERIENCE THAT, SO , I NOTICED THEY'RE REQUIRED TO BE IN THE BACK OF THE LOT. MM-HMM . THAT WAS ARE ARE THEY VERY VISIBLE FROM THE ROAD? DO YOU THINK THEY'LL BE VISIBLE FROM THE ROAD? JEEZ, UH, UM, THEY'RE SITUATED BEHIND THE BUILDING, UH, AND COMPLY WITH SETBACKS, BUT YEAH, YOU COULD SEE 'EM FROM THE ROAD. YOU COULD SEE IT'S COMING UPHILL LOT. YOU COULD SEE THE ONE ALL THE WAY TO THE LEFT. EXCUSE ME. . OKAY. YEAH, I DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE IT. THEY'RE THERE NOW. MM-HMM . YEAH, HE'S GOT THREE OF THEM. MM. OH, WELL I DIDN'T EVEN, I'VE BEEN BY THERE, SO THERE'S, I WAS HAD SOME CONCERN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY WOULD LOOK LIKE, BUT I WAS BEEN BY THERE HALF A DOZEN TIMES AND THEY DIDN'T JUMP OUT AT ME, SO I DON'T THINK IT'S A VISIBILITY ISSUE. YEAH. SAY IN THE SCALE OF RECREATIONAL VEHICLES, THEY LOOK PRETTY NICE. ANY OTHER COMMENTS, CONCERNS? TAKE A MOTION. PLEASE MOVE THAT THE PLAINTIFF COMMISSION FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR THE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST. LITTLE BOY VENTURES LLC RICK RUMBAR FOR PRIVATE USE CAMPING WITH CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. I'LL SECOND THOSE IN FAVOR. AYE. OPPOSED? AYE. BE PASSED UNDER THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. THANK YOU SIR. THE NEXT [VII.J. CUP2024-12-09 – Short-Term Tourist Rental – Kimberly Colton - A request for a conditional use permit for a Short-Term Tourist Rental. The property is located at 159 Bloodroot Road and is identified on tax map 24B, section 1, block 31, as lot 722. The property is zoned Residential-One (R-1) and is located in Shenandoah Magisterial District. - Kelly Wahl , Planner ] ITEM, CUP 20 24 12 0 9 SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL. KIMBERLY COLTON REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1 59. BLOOD ROOT ROAD IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 24 B SECTION ONE BLOCK 31 IS LOT 7 22. PROPERTY IS OWNED. R ONE RESIDENTIAL LOCATED IN THE SHENANDOAH MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT MS. WALL. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT TERM RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY THEY PURCHASED IN JUNE OF 2023. THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR SHORT TERM LODGING FOR VISITORS OF WARREN COUNTY WHILE NOT BEING USED AS THE FAMILY'S VACATION RETREAT. THE APPLICANT STATES THE CABIN WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR RENT PERIODICALLY AS THEY NAVIGATE BECOMING EMPTY NESTERS WORK SCHEDULES AND THEIR USE OF THE CABIN. THE PROPERTY WILL BE MANAGED BY A LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGER WHO WILL OVERSEE THE MAINTENANCE, CLEANING AND BOOKING OF THE RENTAL REQUEST. THIS PROPERTY HAS NOT HAD ANY PREVIOUS CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS ISSUED FOR USES IN THE RESIDENTIAL ONE ZONING DISTRICT. THE DWELLING WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1970 AND THERE ARE NO RECORDS OF ANY ACTIVE ZONING VIOLATIONS. THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT APPROVING A MAXIMUM OF FOUR OCCUPANTS FOR THE TWO BEDROOM DWELLING FOR CONVENTIONAL SEPTIC. THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN HAS BEEN PROVIDED AND REVIEWED BY PLANNING STAFF. A REQUEST FOR COMMENTS WAS SUBMITTED TO BLUE MOUNTAIN PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION AND THEY STATED THEY HAVE NO OBJECTIONS. UH, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A WAIVER TO THE SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATION AS THE DWELLING DOES NOT MEET THE 100 FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT FROM NEIGHBORING RESIDENCES. THE NEIGHBORING RESIDENCE 1 41 BLOOD ROOT ROAD IS LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 98 FEET TO THE WEST OF THE DWELLING OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. UH, WE ARE RECOMMENDING FIVE CONDITIONS. THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PROTECT PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS. THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED THE SYSTEM CAPACITY IS DETERMINED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT PER WARREN COUNTY CODE SUBSECTION 180 DASH 56.4 B. THE CERTIFICATE OF ZONING SHALL ONLY BE ISSUED WITH APPROVED HEALTH DEPARTMENT RECORDS. THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE WELL WATER TESTED ANNUALLY FOR E COLI AND COLIFORM BACTERIA, AND A COPY OF THE RESULTS SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO PLANNING AND HEALTH DEPARTMENTS. THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM SERVICE EVERY FIVE YEARS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, AND A COPY OF THE SERVICE INVOICE SHALL BE [02:15:01] PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. AND LASTLY, A WAIVER TO THE REQUIRED SETBACK OF A HUNDRED FEET TO NEIGHBORING DWELLING SHALL BE GRANTED FOR THE EXISTING 98 FOOT SETBACK TO THE DWELLING WEST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED AND THE APPLICANT, I BELIEVE IS NOT HERE. YEP. THERE SHE IS. SHE IS. UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US, OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, HAVE ANYTHING ADD WITH THAT PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN. ANYONE SIGN UP? NOPE. ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK? PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. YOU HAVE ANYTHING FROM THE ADJOINING NEIGHBOR ON THEIR COMPLAINTS? WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY, UM, OBJECTIONS OR, UH, THEM BEING FOR IT. WE'VE NOT RECEIVED ANYTHING, SO. OKAY. ASSUME THEY WERE NOTIFIED THOUGH, ASSUMING SO, UM, MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. I MEAN, THEY WERE NOTIFIED THROUGH US WITH THE LETTER. YES. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. THEY WOULD'VE YES. HUNDRED PERCENT. WOULD YOU? YEAH, THEY WOULD'VE DEFINITELY GOT A LETTER. THAT'S WHAT I YEAH, DEFINITELY GOT A LETTER, BUT WE'VE NOT RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS. WOULD WHAT HAVE YOU GUYS LOOKED AT? 1 41 FIR TRAIL? THAT IS THE HOUSE THAT'S DIRECTLY ACROSS, UH, BLOOD ROUTE ROAD. I WROTE THAT DOWN AND I FOR, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE DISTANCE WAS, BUT IT, IT ALSO IS UNDER A HUNDRED FEET. HMM. BUT THE ADDRESS IS OFF. UH, YOU SAID FERN TRAIL OR FE FERN TRAIL? YEAH. AND IT'S 1 1 41. YOU THINK IT'S LESS THAN A HUNDRED? IT'S TOM AND BARB GRIMS ARE THE OWNERS. GIMME JUST ONE MOMENT. OKAY. GIS IS TAKING A BIT TO LOAD. LET ME KNOW IF YOU GET YOURS FASTER AND IT'S TAKING FOREVER. WHICH ONE? YOURS LOOKING AT, SCOTT? IT'S, IT'S ACROSS, UH, BLOOD ROOT ROAD, BUT THEIR ADDRESS IS ACTUALLY 1 41. IT'S RIGHT STRAIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. ALMOST. I GOT THAT PICTURE IN A WAY. IT DOESN'T, I KNOW YOU ALMOST GOTTA GO TO, UH, THE G SORRY, MY GIS IS NOT LOADING ON MY COMPUTER. ? MM-HMM . IF THE OTHER ONE'S 98, IT MIGHT BE A HUNDRED MM-HMM . IF THE OTHER ONE'S 98, IT'S CLOSE. 250. PARDON ME? I GOT IT FOR TWO 50 FEET. OKAY. WHAT THE ONE ACROSS THE STREET? YEAH. YOU'RE KIDDING. OKAY. YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY IF THAT ONE'S CLOSE TO BEING A HUNDRED, THAT ONE LOOKS LIKE IT SHOULD BE. MM-HMM . OKAY. I DID DO THIS MONDAY NIGHT BY JUST READING MY NOTES. . THANK YOU. CHASE. BACK ON THE WINE A LITTLE BIT OVER. UH, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. HAVE YOU TALKED TO THIS NEIGHBOR? THAT'S YES, I HAVE. WE'VE SPOKEN AND SHE'S EXPRESSED NO OBJECTION. OKAY. THANK YOU. BUT WE NEED THAT IN WRITING. WE NEED SOMETHING IN WRITING. YEAH. WE NEED, WE NEED THAT IN WRITING. OKAY. THAT'S THE PROCEDURE WE FOLLOWED IN THE PAST. IT'S UNDER A HUNDRED FEET. WE NEED A WRITTEN APPROVAL. AND THAT'S KIND OF A KIND OF UNWRITTEN RULE WE'VE KIND OF DONE HERE. MM-HMM . YES. ALL TO WAVE IT. BEING THAT IT'S ONLY TWO FEET THOUGH, IF THIS DOES GO THROUGH WITH, TO THE BOARD, UM, WITH RECOMMENDATION TO, TO APPROVE, WOULD IT BE FAIR TO HAVE THE LETTER PRESENTED AT THE BOARD LEVEL? WELL, YEAH, IT'S, I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT IT. IT'S NOT 46 FEET. IT'S YEAH, IT'S TWO FEET MUCH. TWO FEET. EXACTLY. YOU KNOW, SO STILL ALLOW ME, WE COULDN'T MAKE, MAKE A MOTION, YOU KNOW, ON THIS CONTINGENT UPON APPROVAL LETTER FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER. AND THAT WOULD HELP. I MEAN, IT, IT WOULD JUST BEING THAT IF WE'RE BEING, IF WE ASK THIS QUESTION OF EVERYBODY, I THINK IT WOULD BE FAIR. BUT I UNDERSTAND TWO FEET IS WAY LESS THAN YEAH. YEAH. YOU KNOW, 42. YES. RIGHT. SO, YOUR HONOR, HERE, I SEE THE SMOKE COMING OUT OF THE EAR. WELL, I WAS THINKING ABOUT HOW TO CRAFT A, A CONTINGENT MOTION LIKE THAT. AND I GUESS THE ISSUE FOR ME IS, YOU KNOW, LET, LET'S SAY YOU WERE TO MOVE TO RECOMMEND IT TO THE BOARD. IF SHE OBTAINS SOMETHING IN WRITING FROM THE NEIGHBOR, AGREEING, UH, TO THE APPLICATION, AND THEN THEY NEVER GET THAT, WOULD, SHOULD THE BOARD INTERPRET THAT AS THEN A RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL? I MEAN, ARE YOU, ARE YOU COMMITTING TO THAT OR WOULD YOU WANNA REVISIT WHAT TO DO IF, IF THEY DIDN'T GET THAT APPROVAL? WE'D ALMOST HAVE TO TABLE IT. WE HAVE TO TABLE IT OR GIVE IT A RECOMMENDATION. LET THE BOARD DEAL WITH IT BE, I THINK SO. I [02:20:01] JUST, I THINK THE, A CONDITIONAL RECOMMENDATION IS, IS PROBLEMATIC. I THINK YOU EITHER NEED TO TABLE IT TO THE NEXT MEETING OR MAKE YOUR MINDS UP THIS EVENING, MY PERSONAL TWO FEET, I WOULD'VE RECOMMENDED TO APPROVE IT AND LET THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, AND AT THAT TIME IT WOULD MIGHT BE WISE TO GET A LETTER. WELL, IN FAIRNESS TOO, THEY WERE NOTIFIED AND THEY DIDN'T OBJECT EITHER. YEAH. CORRECT. SO I, I'M FINE IF TO APPROVE IT. YEAH. I'M OKAY WITH IT. OTHERS FOR THAT VERY REASON. MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, AND WE DID STATE WHEN WE, WHEN WE WERE ASKED BY THE BOARD TO REVIEW THAT, THAT WE WERE COMFORTABLE WITH UNDER A HUNDRED FEET IF WE HAD WRITTEN APPROVAL MM-HMM . OR WRITTEN SOME KIND OF APPROVAL MM-HMM . YEAH. WRITTEN STATEMENT FROM THE NEIGHBORS THAT, THAT WERE UNDER A HUNDRED FEET. MM-HMM . WE DENIED ONE TONIGHT FOR NINE FIVE, BUT WE HAD THAT ONE AND 46 ALSO. WE DENIED ONE. RIGHT? YES. YEAH. WE DENIED IT. 95 AND 46. CORRECT. BECAUSE 95 WAS AGAINST IT. YEAH. YEAH. 46 REALLY DIDN'T 46 MAY HAVE BEEN IN FAVOR OF IT MAY HAVE BEEN OKAY WITH IT. SHE HAD AN EMAIL. WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING OFFICIAL. BUT THE 95 FOOT GUY WAS DEFINITELY AGAINST IT. THERE WERE, YEAH. OH. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST. AND I THINK, OR WE CAN'T TABLING THIS VERSUS, OR WE CAN TABLE OR WE CAN VOTE AGAINST IT AND THEN LET HER COME WITH A LETTER SAYING, NEIGHBOR DOESN'T CARE TO THE BOARD OR VOTED FOR APPROVAL LETTER. BRING THE LETTER EITHER WAY. YEAH. YEAH. ESPECIALLY SINCE NOBODY IS, BUT LIKE JORDAN SAYS, THEN WHAT HAPPENS IF SHE FAILS TO GET THE LETTER AND GOES BACK, GOES TO THE BOARD, THE BOARD BOARD. WELL, THE BOARD SHOULD BE UP TO THEM TO CATCH IT. WE'D LET IT SLIP BY US. SO MAYBE THAT, MAYBE THAT IS A LITTLE NOT DOING HER DO THAT. I SAY WE TABLE IT THEN. RIGHT. 'CAUSE IT ALSO PROTECTS HER AND DOESN'T, SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO REAPPLY IT. IN OTHER WORDS, DON'T LOOK AT IT AS BEING TWO FEET. JUST LOOK AT IT AS BEING UNDER THE HUNDRED. YEAH. IT DOESN'T MATTER. THAT'S HOW WE'VE LOOKED AT IT. MM-HMM . UP TO THIS POINT. YEAH. FAIR. I UNDERSTAND. YEAH. ESPECIALLY THEY YEAH. SAVE HER. IS UH, IS THAT AGREEABLE WITH THE APPLICANT? DOES SHE THINKS SHE'LL HAVE THE ABILITY TO OH, DOES SHE GOTTA COME UP HERE? I DO. AND I ALSO HAVE A TEXT EXCHANGE WITH HER IF THAT'S HELPFUL. AT THIS MOMENT, UH, WE DON'T NEED SOMETHING WRITTEN. AN EMAIL WOULD BE MORE OFFICIAL. SOMETHING YOU COULD FORWARD TO STAFF. YES. I SEE THE SMOKE COMING THERE TOO. WELL, I, UM, WOULD JUST SUGGEST THAT YOU TABLE IT UNTIL A DEFINITE TIME, SUCH AS THE NEXT MEETING AND, AND THEN I THINK THE PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN CLOSED NOW. YES. AND SO WE WOULD SEEK SOME GUIDANCE FROM YOU, UH, ABOUT, IDEALLY WE WOULDN'T RE-NOTICE AND HOLD A NEW PUBLIC HEARING AT THE NEXT MEETING. WE'D JUST HAVE THIS ADDITIONAL PIECE AND, AND IT WOULDN'T BE A PUBLIC HEARING. IT'S OLD BUSINESS. BRING IT BACK AS OLD BUSINESS. CORRECT. WHOLE BUSINESS. YEAH. OKAY. UH, LET'S SEE IF I CAN MAKE THIS MOTION GOOD. , I, I CAN'T, I I RECOMMEND THAT, UH, KIMBERLY COLTON'S SHORT-TERM RENTAL APPLICATION BE TABLED UNTIL THE FEBRUARY PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING FOR THE PURPOSE OF OBTAINING THE LETTER FROM THE NEIGHBOR AT 98 FEET. SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT AND TABLED. NEXT [VII.K. CUP2024-12-10 – Short-Term Tourist Rental – Jessica Young - A request for a conditional use permit for a Short-Term Tourist Rental. The property is located at 6 Rawley Ridge Drive and is identified on tax map 27L, section 1, as lot 26. The property is zoned Agricultural (A) and is located in the South River Magisterial District. - Kelly Wahl , Planner ] ONE. CUP 20 24 12 10 SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL. JESSICA YOUNG, REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT SIX RALEIGH RIDGE DRIVE IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 27 L SECTION ONE IS LOT 26. PROPERTY ZONED AGRICULTURE LOCATED IN THE SOUTH RIVER MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT MS. WALL. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY PURCHASED IN OCTOBER OF 2024. THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR SHORT TERM LODGING FOR VISITORS SEEKING TO EXPERIENCE WARREN COUNTY WHILE CONTRIBUTING TO THE LOCAL ECONOMY. THE PROPERTY OWNERS WILL MANAGE THE PROPERTY THEMSELVES OVERSEEING ALL SPEC ASPECTS OF THE RENTAL PROPERTY, INCLUDING MAINTENANCE, CLEANING AND THE BOOKING OF RENTAL REQUESTS, AND WILL HAVE A LOCAL CONTACT FOR RENTAL EMERGENCIES. THE PROPERTY HAS NOT HAD ANY PREVIOUS CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS ISSUED FOR USES IN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT. THE DWELLING WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1981 AND THERE ARE NO RECORDS OF ANY ACTIVE ZONING VIOLATIONS FOR THIS PROPERTY. UM, THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT APPROVING A MAXIMUM OF SIX OCCUPANTS FOR THE THREE BEDROOM DWELLING FOR A CONVENTIONAL SEPTIC. THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN HAS BEEN PROVIDED IN REVIEW BY PLANNING STAFF COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED FROM THE RIVER BEND FARM PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION IN OPPOSITION TO THOSE REQUESTS. THEY ARE AVAILABLE IN YOUR PACKET. WE HAVE RECEIVED LETTERS OF SUPPORT, BUT NONE FROM ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS. THE DWELLING MEETS THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT OF A HUNDRED FEET TO ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS. THE CLOSEST DWELLING BEING 239 FEET [02:25:01] TO THE EAST. WE ARE RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND FIRE, UH, VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS. THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED THE SYSTEM CAPACITY IS DETERMINED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT PER WARREN COUNTY CODE SUBSECTION 180 DASH 56.4 B. THE CERTIFICATE OF ZONING SHALL ONLY BE ISSUED WITH APPROVAL BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT RECORDS. UM, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE WELL WATER TESTED ANNUALLY FOR ECOLINE COLIFORM BACTERIA, AND A COPY OF THE RESULTS SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING AND HEALTH DEPARTMENTS. THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM SERVICED EVERY FIVE YEARS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, AND A COPY OF THE SERVICE INVOICE SHALL BE PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US. THANK YOU. ANYTHING TO ADD TO THE COUNTY COMMENTS? YES, I WOULD. TO PLEASE. THANK YOU. UH, Y'ALL AREN'T HIRED YET, SO, SO GOOD. YEAH. LAST BUT NOT LEAST OF THE CS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, OH, LET'S NAME PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELVES. JESSICA YELL, SIX RALEIGH RIDGE. AND OUR PRIMARY RESIDENCE IS IN ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA. OH. UH, I'M WITH HER, BUT MY NAME IS JOE HERM. WE'RE MARRIED AND WE HAVE THE SAME ADDRESSES. YES. . I HOPE SO. YEAH. . ANYHOW, YEAH. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR LISTENING AND OVERSEEING ALL OF THE PLANNING EFFORTS AND MS. WALL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR GUIDANCE AND RESPONSIVENESS THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS. UM, OKAY. WE BOUGHT THIS HOME IN OCTOBER WITH THE HOPES OF ENJOYING EVERYTHING THAT WARREN, CAN YOU SPEAK A LITTLE BIT CLOSER? OH YEAH. HOW'S THIS? OKAY. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. HOW'S THIS? OKAY, UH, WE BOUGHT THIS HOME IN OCTOBER AND IT WAS IN THE HOPES OF ENJOYING EVERYTHING THAT WARREN COUNTY HAS TO OFFER FROM THE NATURE TO THE AGRITOURISM TO THE VINEYARDS. AND ON THE WEEKENDS THAT WE ARE NOT THERE, WE WOULD HOPE TO ALSO BE ABLE TO SHARE THAT WITH OTHER FAMILIES AND OTHER SMALL GROUPS THROUGH THE SHORT TERM TOURISM RENTAL. AND NOW I WANNA SHED SOME LIGHT ON OUR CURRENT SITUATION WITH OUR PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION. SO IN OCTOBER WE MET WITH TWO MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF THE POA AND WE LEARNED ABOUT THEIR VERSION TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS. WE ALSO GOT THE COVENANTS, WHICH DID NOT RESTRICT SHORT-TERM RENTALS. AND WE ALSO LEARNED OF ONGOING DELIBERATIONS ABOUT RENTALS THAT HAD BEEN GOING ON FOR A FEW YEARS. GIVEN THIS INFORMATION AND GIVEN CONSULTATION WITH PLANNING, WE UNDERSTOOD IT AS IT WAS OKAY TO PROCEED WITH THIS PERMIT APPLICATION. SO THEN WE DID, AND THEN SOME DAY, SIX DAYS AFTER WE SUBMITTED OUR APPLICATION, WE GOT AN EMAIL THAT THE COVENANTS HAD ACTUALLY CHANGED TO RESTRICT RENTALS, NOT ALLOWING RENTALS UNDER 91 DAYS. SO UNFORTUNATELY, WE DID NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT DISCUSSION THAT LED TO THAT CHANGE. BUT WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO ALL OF OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND NEIGHBORS THROUGH VARIOUS MODALITIES, WHETHER THAT BE MEETING THEM IN PERSON OR THROUGH PHONE CALLS, THROUGH LETTERS, EMAILS, AN ATTEMPTED ZOOM, AND TO EXPLAIN THE SAME INTENT THAT WE ARE EXPLAINING TO YOU ALL RIGHT NOW, AS WELL AS UNDERSTAND CONCERNS FROM THE NEIGHBORS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS, AS WELL AS EXPLAIN OUR OPERATIONS AND HOW THIS COULD WORK IF WE WERE ALLOWED TO. AND I CAN PROMISE YOU THAT WE CAN BE THE GOLD STANDARD OF SHORT-TERM RENTAL OPERATORS IN WARREN COUNTY. THIS IS A MODEL THAT WE HAVE PROVEN SUCCESSFUL AT ANOTHER LUXURY MOUNTAIN CABIN IN NELSON COUNTY. AND THIS IS BECAUSE WE LOVE THAT HOME. IT'S OUR UNCLE'S HOME AND WE VISIT AS FAMILY MEMBERS AS WELL. WE NEED FOR THAT HOME TO, FOR ANY HOME THAT WE MANAGE TO BE WELL TAKEN CARE OF FOR THE COMMUNITY TO BE RESPECTED. OUR, WE HAVE EXTREMELY RIGOROUS GUEST VETTING POLICIES AND WE HAVE EXTREMELY STRICT HOUSE RULES AND BOOKING POLICIES. AND ALL OF THOSE ARE INCLUDED. A SUMMARY OF THEM ARE INCLUDED IN THE APPENDIX IN THE PACKAGE THAT YOU HAVE. AND I AM MORE [02:30:01] THAN HAPPY TO EXPLAIN THE MINUTIA OF ANY OF THEM AND INCLUDE THE RAW TEXT RELATED TO 'EM AS WELL. UM, BUT MY, MY POINT IS THAT ONE THING I DO WANNA CALL IS THAT WE GO WAY ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT A TYPICAL AIRBNB HOST WILL DO, UM, IN ENSURING A REALLY RESPONSIBLE AND RESPECTFUL GUEST. I WOULD SAY WE ACTUALLY GO ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT A GOOD AIRBNB HOST ALSO DOES. THE THING THAT I DO WANNA CALL OUT IS THAT WE HAVE A SECURITY DEPOSIT THAT WE REQUIRE OF ALL GUESTS WHO COME STAY AND IT'S $500. AND THIS GETS GUESTS TO REALLY REVIEW THE HOUSE RULES AND COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THEM. AND THEY WILL ONLY CONTINUE FORWARD IF THEY ARE FULLY CONFIDENT THAT THEY CAN COMPLY. BUT YOU MIGHT ASK, HOW DO YOU ACTUALLY ENFORCE THAT? OR WHAT HAPPENS IF THERE'S AN ISSUE? IT'S A COMBINATION OF THESE PROCEDURES THAT HAVE BEEN TESTED AND VETTED. AND OUR TECHNOLOGY, WHICH IS A COMBINATION OF CAMERAS OF NOISE MONITORING MACHINES OF SMART LOCKS, AND THOSE, THAT COMBINATION SERVES TO BE OUR EYES AND OUR EARS ON THE PROPERTY WHEN WE ARE NOT THERE. SO BEFORE TIM AND TERRY, OUR NEIGHBORS TWO 30 FEET AWAY HERE OF ANY KIND OF RIFFRAFF PARTY, WHAT, WHAT HAVE YOU, WE WILL GET A NOTIFICATION ON OUR PHONE OF UNAUTHORIZED GUESTS OF NOISE EXCEEDING A CERTAIN DECIBEL THRESHOLD, AND WE WILL HAVE ALREADY ACTED TO RECTIFY THAT ISSUE. AND OF COURSE, NONE OF THAT IS OKAY UNLESS YOU HAVE A STRONG LOCAL GROUND ON THE BOOT, BOOTS ON THE GROUND TEAM TO SUPPORT YOU. AND THAT CONSISTS OF JOHN WRIGHT, WHO IS OUR SHORT TERM RENTAL PROFESSIONAL WHO'S LOCAL, WHO'S WITHIN 18 MINUTES DRIVING, WHO IS ON CALL 24 7 FOR ANY EMERGENCIES AND ANYTHING THAT WE NEED SOMEBODY TO BE ON SITE FOR PHYSICALLY. AND, UM, OF COURSE OUR EXTENDED TEAM, WE OVERSEE THIS, BUT WE HAVE AN EXTENDED TEAM THAT IS WITHIN THE 30 MILE RADIUS, OUR CLEANERS, OUR VENDORS TO RESPOND TO OUR VARIOUS OPERATIONS AND ANY ISSUES THAT MAY, MAY ARISE. AND WE'VE PROACTIVELY REACHED OUT TO THE FIRE MARSHAL AND TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE TO EXPLAIN OUR INTENT IF WE ARE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD AND PROVIDE OUR NAMES AND PERSONAL NUMBERS AS WELL, IF THAT NEED TO CONTACT US EVER ARISES. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO BEING PART OF EVERYTHING. AWESOME. OF WARREN. WELL BOTH OF US DO. WE, WE GOT ENGAGED IN SHADO VALLEY, SO HOPEFULLY OTHER PEOPLE GET ENGAGED. . YEAH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YEAH, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. OKAY. NO QUESTIONS. OKAY. PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN. HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP? YES. MIKE BENTLEY. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS MIKE BENTLEY. I LIVE AT 2 0 1 RALEIGH RIDGE DRIVE. I'M HERE TONIGHT TO REQUEST THAT YOU RECOMMEND DENIAL OF CUP 20 24 12 10 FOR THE PROPERTY AT SIX RALEIGH RIDGE DRIVE. I MAKE THAT REQUEST BECAUSE I WANT TO KEEP THE ESSENTIAL CHARACTERISTIC OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. ALL OF MY NEIGHBORS ARE PROPERTY OWNERS AND THUS THEY HAVE A STAKE IN MAKING AND KEEPING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD A PLEASANT, PEACEFUL, AND SAFE PLACE TO LIVE. ONE OF THE WAYS WE DEMONSTRATE THAT ATTITUDE IS BE CAREFUL WHEN DRIVING ON OUR PRIVATE ROAD THAT HAS NARROW SPOTS AND BLIND CURVES. AND WE HAVE TO KEEP OUR SPEED DOWN AND BE READY TO COOPERATE WITH SOMEBODY WHO'S COMING THE OTHER WAY. AS PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE EVERY DAY, WE KNOW TO WATCH OUT FOR OUR NEIGHBORS WALKING ON THE ROAD, PERHAPS IN A GROUP OR WITH THEIR DOG. AND WE ALSO KNOW TO WATCH OUT FOR PEOPLE DOING PROPERTY MAINTENANCE WHO MAY BE USING POWER TOOLS AND CONCENTRATING ON THEIR WORK. APPROVING THIS CUP WILL REGULARLY, PERHAPS WEEKLY INTRODUCE CASUAL VISITORS WHO HAVE NO SPECIAL REASON TO BEHAVE IN A CARING WAY ABOUT THE PEOPLE THEY ENCOUNTER WHO OCCUPY THE OTHER HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. MAYBE THESE VISITORS WILL FOLLOW THE RULES MADE BY THE BUSINESS OWNERS WHO HAVE REQUESTED THIS CUP, BUT MAYBE THEY WON'T, AND THE REST OF US MAY SUFFER FOR IT. ALLOWING A REGULAR FLOW OF UNINTERESTED NON-RESIDENTS WILL NOT CONTRIBUTE TO KEEPING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD A NICE PLACE TO LIVE, WILL ONLY DEGRADE OUR QUALITY OF LIFE. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS MY VIEW AND PLEASE RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THIS SEAT. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? WE HAVE QUITE A FEW. LAURA BENTLEY. [02:35:10] GOOD EVENING. MY NAME'S LAURA BENTLEY. I LIVE AT 2 0 1 RALEIGH RIDGE DRIVE IN THE RIVER BEND FARM, POA, UM, RIVER BEND FARM POA WAS CREATED IN SEPTEMBER OF 1980, WHICH IS 44 YEARS AGO. IT CONSISTS OF 34 LOTS. THE CURRENT OWNERS OF 33 LOTS ALL READ AND ACCEPTED THE PO COVENANTS WHEN THEY POA COVENANTS WHEN THEY BOUGHT. AND THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE MEMBERS IS THAT IS AND HAS BEEN THAT THE COVENANT PARAGRAPH SIX, WHICH STATES THIS PROPERTY SHALL BE USED FOR RESIDENTIAL PURPOSES ONLY MEANS THAT EACH RESIDENCE WILL BE OWNER OCCUPIED AND NOT USED FOR RENTAL. IN A SURVEY OF MEMBERS AT OUR ANNUAL P-A-P-O-A MEETING IN SEPTEMBER, 2023, ALL PRESENT THOUGHT THAT THE RENTING WAS NOT ALLOWED BY THE COVENANTS. THESE RESIDENCES ARE YEAR-ROUND HOMES ON FIVE ACRES WHERE PEOPLE HAVE CHOSEN TO LIVE FULL-TIME AND RETIRE TO. THEY'RE NOT SMALL CABINS ON HALF ACRE LOTS. AS SOME COMMUNITIES IN AND AROUND WARREN COUNTY, WHICH WERE CREATED, CREATED TO SERVE AS VACATION HOMES. OURS IS A QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD WITH LITTLE TRAFFIC. MOST RESIDENTS ARE RETIRED OR WORK FROM HOME. IF THIS COP FOR A A SMALL SHORT TERM RENTAL IS APPROVED, I SEE THREE WAYS IN WHICH IT WOULD NEGATIVELY IMPACT OUR COMMUNITY. TRAFFIC WILL INCREASE. THERE'S NO ATTRACTION WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND NO RIVER ACCESS. SO RENTERS WILL HAVE TO GO ELSEWHERE FOR FUN IN INCREASING THE TRAFFIC IN AND OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. OUR ROADS WERE NOT BUILT FOR EXCESSIVE TRAFFIC. WERE WERE CHIP AND TAR AND CHIP AND IT, THEY'RE VERY NARROW ROADS. NOISE CARRIES. WE CAN ALREADY HEAR THE TRAINS THAT PASS BY AND THE BOATERS AND RAFTERS ON THE SOUTH BRANCH OF THE SHENANDOAH. DURING THE SUMMER DAYS, HAVING PEOPLE IN AN STR WILL INCREASE THE INCIDENTS OF NOISE. LASTLY, WATER. BRINGING PEOPLE IN WHO ARE USED TO USING LOTS OF WATER COULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE REST OF THE RESIDENTS DEPENDING ON WHICH AQUIFER THE WELL IS DRAWING FROM. THEREFORE, I RESPECTFULLY, RESPECTFULLY ASK THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE CUP FOR SHORT TERM RENTAL APPLICATION FOR SIX RALEIGH RIDGE DRIVE FRONT ROYAL AS AN STR DOES NOT FIT WITH THE WISHES OF THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU WALT. RON. GOOD EVENING. UH, MY NAME IS WALTER RON. I, MY WIFE AND I LIVE AT 5 47 RALEIGH RIDGE DRIVE IN FRONT ROYAL A PROPERTY THAT'S THE SAME PROPERTY OWNER'S ASSOCIATION THAT CONTAINS THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY. UH, I ASK THAT THE COMMISSION TURN DOWN THE APPLICANT'S PERMIT, AND I WOULD, UH, INITIALLY WANTED TO CITE THREE REASONS WHY, BUT I'LL STICK WITH ONE, WHICH IS MY CONCERN ABOUT THE RELIABILITY OF THE OWNERS THEY PRESENTED TO THIS EVENING VERY WELL, AS THEY HAVE BEEN UNFAILINGLY POLITE WITH US IN ALL CONTACT. BUT THE FACT REMAINS THAT I WAS ONE OF THE TWO BOARD MEMBERS WHO DISCUSSED WITH THEM IN THE MEETING THAT THEY ASKED FOR ON OCTOBER 23RD, WHETHER THE POA WOULD, UH, ALLOW SHORT TERM RENTALS. UM, WE CLEARLY, UH, THE OTHER BOARD MEMBER AND I CLEARLY SAID NO. AND WE ALSO INFORMED THEM OF THE PENDING THEN PENDING UNDER, UH, WE WERE, THAT WE WERE BRINGING IN VOTES HAD PUT IT OUT FOR A VOTE ABOUT THE COVENANT CHANGE THEY SPOKE OF. WE HAD INITIATED PRIOR TO THEM, UM, PRIOR TO THAT MEETING AND PRIOR TO THEM BUYING THE, THE PROPERTY, THE VOTE TO CHANGE, UH, TO ESTABLISH THAT RENTALS OF 91 DAYS OR MORE WOULD BE PERMITTED. THAT WAS TO BE THE FOURTH OF COMMERCIAL REVENUE PRODUCING ACTIVITIES THAT WERE ALLOWED UNDER CLAUSE SIX THAT, UM, LAURA MENTIONED, WHICH OTHERWISE SAYS RESIDENTIAL USE. SO THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE POA AS WE EXPRESSED TO THE APPLICANTS EIGHT DAYS BEFORE THEY SETTLED WAS THAT AT THAT, AT THAT TIME THE POA COULD NOT APPROVE A RENTAL. AND NOT ONLY THAT, THE POA WAS IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING THE APPROVE, UH, TO, UH, GETTING THE APPROVAL FOR ALLOWING RENTALS AS LONG AS THEY WERE 91 DAYS OR MORE. THE BOARD FELT, AND MORE THAN TWO THIRDS OF OUR PEOPLE VIA THEIR BO VOTES, FELT THAT RENTALS OF 91 DAYS OR MORE WOULD NOT HAVE THE SAME LEVEL OF DAMAGE TO THE SERENITY TO THE, TO THE COMMUNITY, UH, VALUES. WHETHER THE COMMUNITY, I JUST LOVE BEING IN THERE, THE COMMUNITY, [02:40:01] THE PRIVACY, SERENITY, AND SENSE OF COMMUNITY THAT OUR POA NEIGHBORHOOD OF OWNER OCCUPIED HOMES HAS. WE, I AM, IN MY OPINION, THOSE CHARACTERISTICS CANNOT SURVIVE AN EVERY WEEKEND INFLUX OF VACATIONERS THAT WE MUST EXPECT FROM A SHORT TERM RENTAL. SO I HOPE THAT THE BO UH, THE COMMISSION WILL AGREE WITH THE WARREN COUNTY RESIDENTS OF THE RIVER BEND, POA MANY OF WHOM HAVE BEEN HERE FOR DECADES, AND ADVISE THE BOARD TO TURN DOWN THE NOT THE APPLICATION OF THE, OF THIS NON-RESIDENT BUSINESS. THANK YOU. BETH SIPER. BETH SEITZER, 2 0 2 RIDGE DRIVE. FRONT ROYAL. MY HUSBAND AND I BOUGHT OUR HOME IN THE RIVERBEND FARM COMMUNITY 16 YEARS AGO. WE WANTED A PLACE WHERE WE COULD GROW OUR OWN VEGETABLES, FORAY FOR MUSHROOMS AND APPRECIATE NATURE AND PEACE AND QUIET. A FEW YEARS LATER, WE WERE ABLE TO PURCHASE A SECOND LOT, THE ONE NEXT TO OURS. WE DID THIS AFTER MUCH DELIBERATION BECAUSE WE WANTED TO MAINTAIN THE NATURAL BEAUTY AND QUIET PRIVACY OF OUR HOME. WE ARE TWO DOORS DOWN FROM THE HOUSE IN QUESTION, WHICH IS ON A RIDGE. NOISE TRAVELS FROM THERE DOWN THE RIDGE TO OUR HOME. FROM THE RECENT REMODELING EXPERIENCE OF THE HOUSE, HAMMER, STROKES, WHINING SAWS, AND WORKMAN'S CONVERSATIONS SOUNDED AS IF THE RENOVATION WAS IN OUR BACKYARD. IT WOULD ONLY BE THE SAME WITH THE SOCIAL NOISE COMING FROM THE AIRBNB. THE HOUSE IN QUESTION DOES NOT HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO A PUBLIC ROAD. THIS MEANS THAT ANY SHORT TERM RENTERS WOULD HAVE TO TRAVEL ON THE COMMON PROPERTY OF THE PO A'S PRIVATE ROAD IN LINE WITH THE POA COVENANTS, THIS ROAD IS MAINTAINED AND REPAIRED WITH ANNUAL FEES AND COMMUNITY COORDINATE LABOR AND SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS. THE WORK IS CARRIED OUT BY MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE COMMUNITY. WHY SHOULD LABOR AND FEES BE USED TO SUBSIDIZE THE PROFITS OF THE ARLINGTON BASED LLC WITH MULTIPLE AIRBNBS ACROSS VIRGINIA? WE ALSO HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE IMPACT OF OUR INSURANCE RATES FOR EXPANDED USE OF THE COMMON AREA ROAD. AND FINALLY, THE VALUE OF OUR PROPERTY. IN MY CASE, OUR RETIREMENT SAVINGS FOR WHEN WE MOVE TO A RETIREMENT COMMUNITY WILL DEPRECIATE BECAUSE NO ONE WANTS TO BUY A HOME IN AN AREA WITH AN AIRBNB OWNED BY AN ABSENTEE LANDLORD. FOR THESE REASONS, OUR POA HAS IN PLACE A COVENANT THAT PROHIBITS THE USE OF SHORT TERM RENTALS. THE OWNERS OF THE HOUSE IN QUESTION WERE INFORMED ABOUT THIS COVENANT BEFORE THEY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY UNDER THE CODE OF VIRGINIA. IT IS THE DUTY OF THE POA BOARD TO ENFORCE COMPLIANCE OF THE POA COVENANTS. OUR LIMITED POA RESOURCES ARE ALREADY FULLY ALLOTTED TO MAINTAINING OUR ROAD AND FULFILLING OUR PAPERWORK REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION ACT OF VIRGINIA. IF THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS APPROVED, THIS WILL RESULT IN THE POA HAVING TO DEDICATE SCARCE POA RESOURCES TO ENSURING COVENANT COMPLIANCE IN THE FORM OF NOTIFICATIONS, FINES, LIENS AGAINST THE PROPERTY. AND IF NECESSARY, LITIGATION POA TIME AND MONEY WILL BE TAKEN AWAY FROM OUR ROAD TO BE DEDICATED TO THE TASK NECESSARY TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH THE SHORT TERM RENTAL PROHIBITION IN THE COVENANTS THAT PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU, . THANK YOU. GAGE WILSON? YES. HOW YOU DOING? UH, GAGE WILSON. I LIVE AT THREE 30 POCO BELLA DRIVE JUST DIRECTLY ACROSS THE RIVER. UM, BUT I'M A LOCAL, UM, GENERAL CONTRACTOR. WE SPECIALIZE IN SHORT TERM RENTAL PROPERTIES. WE DO THIS IN ALL OF OUR SURROUNDING COUNTIES. UH, PAIGE, CDO, ANYWHERE IN THE C SHADO VALLEY. UM, WE'RE OUT HERE MAKING THESE, YOU KNOW, REHAB PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, THIS PROPERTY IN QUESTION SITTING UP ON TOP OF THE RIDGE. IT WAS IN SO BAD A SHAPE THAT I THINK OUR GENERAL BUDGET WAS EXCEEDED A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. UM, IT, IT WAS IN PRETTY BAD SHAPE. SO WE TAKE THESE PROPERTIES, THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR WAS ABOUT TO GO TO FORECLOSURE, SO I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT HELPS THE PROPERTY VALUE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD VERY WELL. [02:45:01] UM, WE COMPLETELY, YOU KNOW, BRING IT BACK TO LIFE. WE PUT A LOT OF FEATURES INTO IT AND WE DO THIS PROFESSIONALLY AND AND CONSTANTLY IN OUR, IN OUR SURROUNDING AREAS, UM, TO A POINT WHERE THIS IS A PROPERTY THAT I'D LIKE FOR MY FAMILY TO STAY AT WHEN THEY COME INTO TOWN TO VISIT, UH, THE BENEFITS, YOU KNOW, ALL THE TOURISM, ALL OF OUR RESTAURANTS, THIS STUFF, YOU KNOW, REALLY HELPS OUR LOCAL COMMUNITY. AND I KNOW OUR COMPANY AND MY GUYS AND THEIR FAMILIES, THEY ALL, WE, WE NEED THIS KIND OF WORK. WE NEED THESE TO BE APPROVED. AND THIS PROPERTY SITS UP THERE OVERLOOKING THE RIVER. AND A BEAUTIFUL VIEW. I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC FROM A, A GUEST WOULD CAUSE ANY MORE THAN SOMEBODY LIVING THERE FULL TIME. SAME WITH THE, THE WATER USAGE. I MEAN, PROBABLY GONNA HAVE MORE OCCUPANCY FROM A FULL-TIME RESIDENT THAN YOU WILL FROM A 50 OR 60% OCCUPANCY RATE ON A SHORT TERM RENTAL. YOU, YOU, YOU'RE PROBABLY IN A BETTER SHAPE BY HAVING IT RENTED OUT THAT WAY. UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST REALLY HOPE THAT YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS CLIENT'S BEEN GREAT TO WORK WITH. THEY LOOKED FORWARD TO INVESTING MORE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND WE'RE OUT THERE TRYING TO BRING THIS INVESTMENTS INTO OUR COMMUNITY, UM, TO KEEP US BUSY AND TO GENERATE TAX DOLLARS AND, AND JUST MAKE IMPROVEMENTS. SO I REALLY HOPE YOU WORK WITH OUR CLIENTS AND, UH, THANK YOU. THANK YOU NICK KLOWSKI. HI EVERYONE. NOW RETIRED. SO, UM, NICK KLOWSKI, UM, I'M THE ADJACENT LANDOWNER TO THE, UM, APPLICANTS SO LOT 25 RALEIGH RIDGE DRIVE. SO I CAN ADD A LITTLE MORE COLOR 'CAUSE WE'RE NEWER TO THE AREA THAN SOME OF THE RESIDENTS THAT HAVE LIVED HERE FOR A LONG TIME. BUT WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY IN MAY OF 2023. SO, OR 24, SORRY, LAST YEAR BEFORE THE, UH, THE LANDOWNERS IN, IN THE LANDOWNERS. UM, IT WAS MADE VERY CLEAR TO US WHEN WE WERE BUYING THE PER PROPERTY THAT, UM, SHORT TERM RENTALS WERE NOT ALLOWED. WE LOOKED AT A LOT OF PROPERTIES IN THE AREA AND THAT WAS SOMETHING WE WERE ALWAYS TUNED INTO. SO, UM, MY, OUR INTENTION IS TO BUILD ON THE PROPERTY WITHIN A YEAR. AND I'VE BEEN COMING OUT HERE FOR 20 YEARS AND I LOVE IT. SO WE WANT TO BECOME PART OF THE COMMUNITY AND, UM, PERMANENTLY. SO, UM, UNFORTUNATELY I FEEL LIKE , THERE'S SOME DISINGENUOUS THINGS GOING ON FROM THE, FROM THE LANDOWNERS. UM, THEY, FIRST OF ALL, I'VE NEVER BEEN CONTACTED. I'M THE ADJACENT LANDOWNER, SO I DON'T, I'VE NEVER GOTTEN AN EMAIL, I'VE NEVER GOTTEN A CALL, I'VE NEVER GOTTEN ANYTHING. SO THEY HAVEN'T CHECKED WITH HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT. UM, WHERE WE WOULD BUILD THE HOUSE IS, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET, BUT IT'S A RIDGE. SO WE ONLY HAVE LIKE ONE LOCATION. SO THAT COULD END UP BEING A PROBLEM FOR US. UM, BESIDES THAT, UM, I JUST WANNA ADD A LITTLE MORE SPECIFICITY. UM, I'M AN ATTORNEY, I ALSO WORK FOR A GOVERNMENT, SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE TO LOOK AT. BUT, UM, THE COVENANTS THAT WERE IN PLACE WERE, THEY WERE DESIGNED LIKE YEARS AGO BEFORE THERE WERE AIRBNBS EVEN EXISTED. SO I THINK THE INTENT OF THE COMMUNITY WAS TO CLARIFY THAT LANGUAGE. IT'S NOT NEW LANGUAGE, IT'S TO, IT WAS TO CLARIFY THE INTENT OF THE COMMUNITY. UM, MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE EMAILS AND EVERYTHING THAT HAVE BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH IS THERE'S OVERWHELMING, UM, LACK OF SUPPORT FOR THIS. UM, I THINK THAT THE LANDOWNERS ARE DOING SORT OF A ASK FORGIVENESS NOT PERMISSION SITUATION. THEY KNEW VERY WELL GOING INTO IT, BUT THEY WERE THAT IT WAS NOT ALLOWED, BOUGHT THE PROPERTY. UM, WE WERE OUT THERE A WEEK LATER, WITHIN A WEEK OF BUYING THE PROPERTY. THERE WERE CONTRACTORS THERE. THEY HAD A LISTING UP ON INSTAGRAM SAYING, COMING SOON SHANNON DO A CABIN. THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY INTENTION OF ACTUALLY CHECKING WITH ANYONE OR SEEING HOW ANYONE FELT ABOUT IT. AND THEY WERE TRYING TO PUSH THIS THROUGH AND HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, FIND A LOOPHOLE. SO, UM, I THINK PEOPLE JUST NEED TO BE HONEST ABOUT IT 'CAUSE THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT HAPPENED. SO, UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY ILL WILL TOWARDS THEM. UM, BUT UM, THEY'VE MADE A LOT OF MISTAKES TRYING TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT FROM A GOVERNMENT POINT OF VIEW, YOU HAVE TO KIND OF LOOK AT THE EXISTING LAWS, UM, IN PLACE AND UM, THEY WERE PROVIDED WITH MEETING NOTES. THE REELL CERTIFICATE THAT YOU HAVE TO GET FROM THE STATE OF VIRGINIA SAYS ON THERE, THERE ARE LIMITATIONS. SO IT'S A LITTLE DISINGENUOUS TO SAY THEY DIDN'T KNOW GOING INTO THIS. SO I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. THANKS. THANK YOU BRIAN JONES. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME OUT. UH, BRIAN JONES LOT 25 RALEIGH RIDGE DRIVE FROM ROYAL. SO I, IN THE OTHER LANDOVER [02:50:01] FOR THE ADJACENT PROPERTY AND I WAS ACTUALLY ALSO ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS WHO MET WITH THE COUPLE BEFORE THEY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY. AND AS WALT MENTIONED BEFORE THAT WE WERE VERY FORWARD WITH SAYING THAT PROPERTY AS WE RECEIVE IT NOW, WE DO NOT ALLOW SHORT TERM RENTALS. WE TOLD 'EM SEVERAL TIMES AND THEY HAD THE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, OH, WELL WHY NOT? WHAT'S THE REASONING? AND SO WE TRIED TO GO BACK AND FORTH WITH THEM TO GIVE THEM MORE INFORMATION ON THAT AND WE INFORMED 'EM OF THE CURRENT, UH, AMENDMENT TO THE CON TO OUR COVENANTS THAT WE WERE, IT WAS IN PROCESS. THE PREVIOUS OWNER HAD AN OPTION TO VOTE. THEY CHOSE NOT TO SUBMIT UP, UH, TO SUBMIT A VOTE FOR THAT PROPERTY. SO THAT WAS UNFORTUNATE. BUT THE COVENANTS NOW DO NOT ALLOW THIS. AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A BAD PRECEDENT FOR THE COMMISSION TO ALLOW THIS TO GO FORWARD. BASICALLY GO AGAINST OUR COVENANTS, LIKE TO GOVERN OUR COMMUNITY. UM, EXCUSE ME. AND THE KIND OF FOLLOWING WHAT NICK SAID THAT I THINK AFTER OUR CALL WITH THEM ON THE 23RD OF OCTOBER, THAT ZOOM MEETING, THEY DID KIND OF SAY THAT, OH WELL WE KIND OF WERE WEREN'T SURE. SO THAT'S WHY THEY APPROACHED THE COUNTY AND OTHER AIRBNB OWNERS IN THE COMMUNITY VERSUS COMING BACK TO US IF THEY COME TO US SAYING, HEY, WE HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, OR IS IT REALLY NO OR CAN WE WORK WITH YOU? THEY CHOSE NOT TO. THEY PROCEED TO JUST GO FORWARD WITH THIS SUBMIT THE CUP APPLICATION AND TO JUST MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROCESS AS ADDITIONAL, UH, SINCE THEY HAVE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, UH, WITH THEIR HUDSON SEVERAL TIMES WHERE WE HAVE TRIED TO ACCESS OUR PROPERTY AND WE'RE ACTUALLY THE ONLY TWO PROPERTIES ON THE CUL-DE-SAC AND THERE WERE CONTRACTORS THAT PARKED IN THE CUL-DE-SAC SEVERAL TIMES AND KEPT US FROM ABLE TO PULL UP TO OUR PROPERTY BECAUSE OF THAT. SO IF THE CONTRACTORS ARE DOING IT, WHO'S TO HOLD THEIR RENTERS FROM DOING IT AS WELL? 'CAUSE IT'S THE ONLY TWO PROPERTIES IN THE LOT ON THE CUL-DE-SAC, SO THERE'S NO ONE ELSE THERE. ADDITIONALLY, WHEN WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, WE INSTALL TRAIL CAMERAS TO KIND OF SEE WHAT ANIMALS WE GOT ON THE PROPERTY AND ALSO TO KIND OF SEE WHAT'S GOING ON ON UP THERE WHEN WE'RE NOT THERE. AND FROM MAY THROUGH OCTOBER, WE HAD NOTHING. THERE WAS ANIMALS AND DEER, SOME TURKEYS A FOX. IT WAS REALLY COOL. STARTING IN EARLY NOVEMBER THOUGH, WE'VE STARTED SEEING PEOPLE TRAS NEAR ACROSS OUR PROPERTY AND WE HAD PLENTY OF NO TRESPASSING SIGNS ON THE CUL-DE-SAC DOWN THE RIDGE IS JUST EACH ONE BECAUSE WE DON'T, PEOPLE ON OUR PROPERTY, IF THEY HURT THEMSELVES OR SOMETHING HAPPENS, THEN WE COULD BE LIABLE FOR IT. BUT WE SHOW THE PICTURES AND VIDEOS TO SOME OF THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY. THEY ALL SAID, NO, WE DON'T RECOGNIZE THESE PEOPLE. AND WITH 31 LOTS POPULATED, WE KNOW EVERYBODY'S THERE. SO THE FACT THAT THEY, NO ONE RECOGNIZED THEM, THE ONLY THING THAT'S CHANGED IS THE CHANGING OF THE HANDS OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY AT SEXUALITY RICH. SO I THINK THAT WE ARE KIND OF LOOKING AT DESTROYING THE NEIGHBORHOOD FEEL OF THE COMMUNITY BY IF YOU APPROVE THIS CUP APPLICATION AND BY LETTING 'EM GO FORWARD WITH IT, THAT IT IS KIND OF SETTING A DANGEROUS PRECEDENT FOR THIS AND GOING AGAINST OUR COVENANTS, EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE ALLOWED TO BEFORE, BEFORE THE PURCHASE OF THE PROPERTY, THAT SHORT-TERM RENTALS WERE NOT ALLOWED. SO I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME THIS EVENING AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU ANDREW HERDER. ANDREW HERDER, 1 3 1 8 RALEIGH RIDGE DRIVE. THANK YOU, ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR TIME. YOU'VE HEARD FROM A LOT OF MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY. I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE POA, UM, BEEN INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS OF AMENDING THE COVENANTS FOR OVER A YEAR. UM, WAS NOT ON THE CALL WITH THEM AT THE TIME BECAUSE I WAS AT AN APPOINTMENT. UM, HAD A WHOLE SET OF NOTES PREPARED. BUT YOU'VE HEARD EVERYTHING FROM THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE CHANGE OF THE COMMUNITY. UH, ONE THING THAT IS IN OUR LETTER THAT YOU ALL HAVE IN THE PACKET IS THAT THIS IS A 1.1 MILE DRIVE OF PRIVATE ROADS. WE MAINTAIN THOSE ROADS, AS SOMEONE ELSE MENTIONED, THAT'S OUR ONLY FEE. THAT IS THE REASON THAT THE POA EXISTS IS TO MAINTAIN THAT ROAD SO THAT EVERYBODY CAN GET TO THEIR PROPERTIES. UM, IT'S THE FURTHEST PROPERTY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT WOULD BE DRIVING PAST 60% OF THE OTHER HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT MEANS ALL OF THAT TRAFFIC GOING PAST ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE. IT IS ALSO ALONG THE MOST DANGEROUS SECTION OF THE ROAD GOES UP AND ALONG THAT RIDGE THAT EVERYBODY'S BEEN DESCRIBING, UM, IT'S JUST A FACT OF THE WAY THAT THE ROAD HAD TO BE BUILT ON THAT HILL. THERE'S NOT A WAY TO SUPPORT THAT OR MAKE THAT BETTER OR EASIER. ONE CAR CAN PASS. AND AS OTHERS HAVE MENTIONED, EVERYONE'S RESPECTFUL OF EVERYONE'S TIME. THE NEIGHBORHOOD KNOWS THE NEIGHBORS, WE KNOW EACH OTHER'S VEHICLES, RIGHT? WE'RE OUT THERE TRYING TO BE RESPECTABLE AND HOLD EACH OTHER ACCOUNTABLE. SOMEONE'S, YOU KNOW, SHRUBBERY IS INFRINGING ON THE ROAD. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE PROCESSES IN PLACE TO TAKE CARE OF THAT. WE DON'T HAVE THE TIME OR THE RESOURCES TO DEAL WITH HOSTILE RESIDENTS. FOLKS THAT ARE GOING AGAINST NOT JUST WHAT OUR COMMUNITY GUIDELINES STATE, WHAT THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS ARE THAT WE HAVE FILED WITH WARREN COUNTY. THAT'S AGAIN, WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO FIGHT WITH THIS. SO I URGE ALL OF YOU TO JUST ERR ON THE SIDE OF COMMON SENSE HERE. THERE IS, THERE IS NO ROOM FOR THIS IN THIS COMMUNITY. THE MEMBERS DON'T WANT IT. THE MEMBERS VOTED AGAINST THIS KIND OF ACTIVITY. THEY WERE FULLY AWARE OF THAT AND DECIDED TO TAKE THIS RISK BECAUSE AS MENTIONED, AND WE SUSPECTED THIS MUCH, IT WAS CLOSE TO FORECLOSURE. THEY GOT A GREAT DEAL ON AN INVESTMENT THAT ENDED UP GOING SOUTH WITH AS MUCH WORK AS IT NEEDED. AND I WOULD SAY THAT IT'S ACTUALLY FELT HOSTILE SINCE THEN IN THE AMOUNT OF [02:55:01] OUTREACH THAT THEY'VE ATTEMPTED TO DO. I'VE HAD MY OWN HOME, UH, THEM ENTER IT, UH, AND HAVE TO BE TOLD TWICE TO LEAVE MY PROPERTY, UH, IN AN EFFORT TO BE FRIENDLY. UM, SO AS A SMALL COMMUNITY WITH NOT A LOT OF RESOURCES, THAT'S JUST, JUST BEEN AN ABSOLUTE HEADACHE. AND I ENCOURAGE ALL OF YOU TO PLEASE SUPPORT OUR SMALL COMMUNITIES. SUPPORT THOSE THAT, YOU KNOW, DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO PUT UP A BIG FIGHT WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND DENY THIS CUP APPLICATION. THANK YOU. THAT IS THE END OF THE LIST. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE THAT DIDN'T SIGN UP, WISH TO SPEAK, PLEASE COME FORWARD TO STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. UH, FRANK CORCORAN, 96, UH, WENDY MEADOWS DRIVE. UH, MOSTLY BIG QUESTION I HAVE IS I'M HEARING THREE BEDROOM AND THIS OCCUPANCY WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THE WARREN GIS TELLING ME IT'S A TWO BEDROOM, ONE BATH. SO SOMEWHERE ALONG THE PROCESS, SOMETHING'S NOT RIGHT. SO WE GO OFF OF THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT RECORDS. WE HAVE, WE HAVE THE ACTUAL PERMIT FROM THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT STATING THE MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY WITH THE NUMBER OF BEDROOMS AND BATHROOMS. ALL RIGHT. SECONDLY THEN, NO DISRESPECT, BUT, UH, POCO BELLA IS NO RIVERBED FARM. A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AREA. ROADS ARE NOT TRIMMED LIKE OUR ROADS. UH, NICE, PEACEFUL, QUIET AREA THAT WE MOVED INTO OPEN TO STAY IN. UH, WE JUST DON'T NEED TRAFFIC. WE DON'T NEED STRANGERS. MOST OF THE TROUBLE THAT COMES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS FROM CONSTRUCTION WORKERS AND VISITORS WHO SPEED AND THROW TRASH OUT THE WINDOWS. MOST OF THE NEIGHBORS, MOST PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE HAVE THE RESPECT OF LIVING THERE. AND THEY DON'T DO THAT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YOU WANNA ELSE? ANYONE ELSE? PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED AND APPLICANT HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE COMMENTS YOU'VE HEARD. OKAY. HOW SHOULD WE, HOW DO WE DO THIS? DO CAN WE BOTH SPEAK AT THE SAME TIME RIGHT NOW? SURE. ADDRESS YOUR COMMENTS HERE RATHER THAN BACK THERE. OKAY. UNDERSTOOD. NAME AND ADDRESS TOO. YES. OH, PARDON. WE HAVE HER NAME IN THAT ADDRESS. WE DON'T HAVE YOURS. OH YEAH, YEAH. ACTUALLY KIND OF. WE DO KIND OF, BUT I WAS RIGHT. I'LL BE MORE CLEAR. MY NAME'S UH, JOSEPH HERM. I'M MARRIED TO JESSICA YOUNG. UM, WE ARE THE OWNERS OF SIX RALEIGH RIDGE DRIVE. OUR RESIDENCE IS IN ARLINGTON. WE'LL NEED THE STREET ADDRESS AND ALL THAT. OH 3 0 7 2 NORTH OAKLAND STREET, ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA. THANK YOU SO MUCH. 2, 2, 2 0 7. IT'S JUST LEGAL REQUIREMENTS. THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. SO I THINK THE THING THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS THE MOST IS THIS ELEMENT OF RELIABILITY AND THAT WE FORGED AHEAD WITHOUT ANY CONSIDERATION. SORRY, I'M JUST GONNA PUT CLOSER. OKAY. IT'S ALRIGHT. HONESTLY, THIS IS LIKE A MISUNDERSTANDING. WE LEFT THAT CALL THINKING THAT IT WAS STILL UNDER DELIBERATION. AS THEY'D MENTIONED. THERE WAS TALKS ABOUT AMENDING THOSE COVENANTS FOR OVER A YEAR JUST NOW. WE THOUGHT IT WAS TWO YEARS. SO WE DID OUR BEST WITH OUR DUE DILIGENCE IN REVIEWING THE COVENANTS, IN SPEAKING WITH THE COUNTY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. AND AFTER WE FOUND OUT THAT THE COVENANTS CHANGED AND HOW THE PACE OF IT PROGRESSED AND ALL THAT, WE DON'T FEEL GOOD ABOUT THAT. THAT'S NOT, WE WANT, WE WANTED TO REACH OUT TO EVERYONE AND UNDERSTAND WHAT HAD HAPPENED AND UNDERSTAND THEIR CONCERNS AND TRY TO ADDRESS 'EM TRULY THE BEST WE COULD. UM, I'M, I SHOULD SAY THAT WE DID NOT REACH OUT TO EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN EACH HOUSEHOLD. WE REACHED OUT EITHER TO THE HOUSEHOLD AS A WHOLE OR A MEMBER OF THAT HOUSEHOLD THAT WE HAD THE CONTACT INFORMATION FOR THROUGH AN EMAIL FROM THE POA AND, UM, CAN I SAY SOMETHING REAL QUICK? YES, JOE, PLEASE. I I JUST WANTED TO MENTION SOMETHING ABOUT THE, THE COVENANTS. UM, SO WE WERE TOLD THAT SHORT TERM RENTALS ARE NOT ALLOWED IN THE COMMUNITY, WHICH FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE COMMUNITY, THAT IS THE CASE. BUT WHEN YOU, WHEN WE EXAMINED THE COVENANTS WITH, UM, STAFF OF PLANNING WE AND, AND CONSULTED WITH OTHERS, IT WAS RESIDENTIAL USE ONLY. AND, UM, IN A, IN A VIRGINIA SUPREME COURT CASE IN 2007, THAT WAS NOT EXPLICIT ENOUGH TO OUTLAW [03:00:01] OR BAN, UM, SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN AN, IN ANOTHER HOA. SO WHEN WE SAW THAT, WE THOUGHT IT WAS AT LEAST OKAY TO PROCEED. AND THEN AFTER, SO THAT WAS BEFORE WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY. WHEN WE MET WITH THE BOARD, WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, SUBMITTED THE CUP, AND THEN WE RECEIVED AN EMAIL THAT THE COVENANTS WERE CHANGED. SO THAT'S THE TIMELINE TO, TO HELP. UM, AND I DO APOLOGIZE TO ANYONE FOR ANY MISCOMMUNICATION. I'M SURE WE COULD HAVE HANDLED IT BETTER, BUT WE'RE TRYING, TRYING NOW. SO HOW ABOUT HEARINGS CLOSED NOW? FOR SURE. DEFINITELY TRYING. AND WE WERE INVITED INTO THE GENTLEMAN'S HOME BY A MEMBER OF THEIR HOUSEHOLD AND THEN WERE ASKED TO LEAVE. AND LIKE, IN THE SHOCK OF THAT, HESITATED, NOT RESISTED, JUST LIKE WE'RE SHOCKED, BUT WE LEFT JOE SHUT THE DOOR. WE HAD NO INTENTION ON INTRUDING. WE ARE SIMPLY LOOKING FOR A COLLABORATIVE PATH FORWARD. INTRU EARNEST AND THE, THE NOISE WITH THE CONTRACTORS AND THE PARKING AND ANYTHING THAT WE HAD HEARD UP TO THIS POINT, WE HAVE DONE OUR BEST TO RECTIFY AND SPEAK TO GAGE ABOUT. WE HAD HEARD ABOUT SPEEDING, UM, AND WE TALKED TO THE GUYS THAT WE COULD AND TALK TO GAGE TO RECTIFY THAT. HAD WE KNOWN OF THOSE OTHER ELEMENTS, WE ALSO WOULD HAVE ADDRESSED THAT. WE GAVE OUR PHONE NUMBERS AND OUR EMAIL ADDRESSES TO EVERYONE THAT WE REACHED OUT TO. AND IT WAS ON A PUBLIC EMAIL CHAIN. UM, BUT I THINK, I THINK WITH THIS MISUNDERSTANDING AND THEN CHARACTERIZATION OF US BEING DECEITFUL AND DISINGENUOUS IT, HOW DO YOU SPEAK TO SOMEBODY WHO ALREADY DOESN'T TRUST YOU WHEN IT WAS AN HONEST MISTAKE TO BEGIN WITH? AND, AND WE REALLY HAVE TRIED AND WOULD CONTINUE TO TRY IF WE HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO. UM, YEAH. UH, AND THEN ABOUT LIKE HAVING A BUNCH OF OTHER PROPERTIES, WE JUST MANAGE FOR OUR FAMILY MEMBERS, LIKE FAMILY MEMBERS WHO, LIKE THAT NELSON COUNTY PROPERTY. IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO HAVE A VACATION HOME, A PLACE THEY THEY WANNA RETIRE, EVENTUALLY WE SUPPORT THAT MANAGEMENT. WE'RE NOT A BIG NAMELESS CORPORATION THAT IS JUST HERE TO CHURN. WE ARE DOING OUR BUSINESS IN PLACES WHERE OUR FAMILY WANTS TO BE AND WANTS TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE COMMUNITY AND WANT LOVES ELEMENTS OF WHEREVER WE ARE. UM, DID YOU HAVE A NO, NO PROBLEM. I WAS JUST GONNA ASK IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AFTER WE ANSWER THEM. YES. IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS, WE, YOUR HONOR, ASK. OKAY. WELL I TOOK NOTES SO I'LL JUST KEEP TALKING ON OR INTERRUPT ME TO STOP. UM, TRAFFIC WATER, WE'RE NOT DATA SHOWS THAT THERE AREN'T GONNA BE PEOPLE THERE AS OFTEN AS A LONG-TERM RUNNER CREATING THAT KIND OF STRESS ON THE WATER AND THE ROADS AND, UH, THE RESOURCES. AND CONTRARY TO THAT, WE WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SUPPORT EFFORTS WITH MAINTAINING THE ROADS. I KNOW THAT THE, UH, THE TRAFFIC SIGNS ARE ACTUALLY RATHER LOW AND IT'S SOMETIMES HARD TO MISS. BUT WHAT IF WE HAVE THEM AT HARD TO SEE? YEAH. OH, SORRY. HARD TO SEE. HARD TO SEE. BUT IF WE HAD THEM AT LIKE A NORMAL ROAD EYE, EYE LEVEL, THAT THAT COULD HELP AND WE WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO BE A PART OF THAT. UM, AND A LOT OF THE, THE ISSUES WITH THE ROADS, THAT'S WHY WE HAD REACHED OUT TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND TO THE FIRE MARSHAL TO BE LIKE, DO YOU SEE THIS BEING A CONCERN IN THE EVENT OF AN EMERGENCY? UM, AND IN TERMS OF GUEST SAFETY AND WE GOT RESPONSES THAT SAID NO. AND I CAN GIVE YOU THEIR NAMES AND THE MINUTES FROM THOSE MEETINGS AS WELL IF, IF, IF YOU'D LIKE. UM, ANYTHING. UM, WE DID RECEIVE ONE, UM, PHONE CALL OF SUPPORT FROM THE COMMUNITY, A COMMUNITY MEMBER. HOWEVER, GIVEN THE, WELL I, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR THEM, BUT THEY WERE NOT WILLING TO PUT THEIR NAME TO ANYTHING. SO, BUT, SO ANYWAY, THAT'S NOT HERE NOR THERE, BUT JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT. IS THAT IT IS THAT IT, UM, THE PROPERTY NEEDED TO [03:05:01] BE RESTORED REGARDLESS. IT WASN'T ABOUT, HEY, LET'S HIT THE ROAD RUNNING WITH GETTING THIS AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL. THE FLOORS WERE SINKING OF ONE OF THE MANY THINGS. IT, WE JUST NEED TO GET IT FIXED UP TO BEGIN WITH. THAT'S WHY WE STARTED. THERE WAS A POST ON INSTAGRAM. IT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT OPERATIONAL. IT WAS MORE OF LIKE, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING AND THIS IS PART OF MARKETING, THIS IS PART OF BUILDING A BUSINESS. BUT IT WAS IN NO WAY. THIS IS ONLINE, COME STAY HERE. IT'S ABOUT ENGAGING WITH THE PEOPLE THAT FOLLOW US IN OUR JOURNEYS AND WHAT WE'RE DOING. THAT'S IT. THANKS. YEAH. ALL GOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU GUYS. UH, ONE THOSE SITES ARE ALLUDED TO, WHICH IS RIGHT, WE CANNOT ENFORCE YOUR COVENANTS. THAT'D BE YOUR RESPONSIBILITY, YOUR EXPENSE AS FAR AS TRAFFIC. I UNDERSTAND THAT TO THE POINT. BUT A TYPICAL RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION TYPE THING, VDOT HAS THE ROADS DESIGNED TO HANDLE 10 VEHICLE TRIPS PER DAY, PER HOUSE. WHICH MEANS LIKE ON A NORMAL WEEKEND, THEY RENT IT OUT. THERE COULD BE 30 TRIPS OVER THE WEEK IF THEY HAD A LONG-TERM RENTER, WHICH MIGHT BE THE WRONG WAY OPTION. IT'S 70 TRIPS A WEEK, SIR. IT'S A . THAT'S SIR, SIR, THE PUBLIC HEARING'S CLOSED. UH, AND THE THING ON WATER, AGAIN, FULL-TIME RENTER'S GOING TO USE MORE WATER AND SOMEONE THERE ON THE WEEKENDS. UM, WE, WE WE'VE HAD SOME PRETTY GOOD LUCK IN THE CHANDLE FARMS AREA WITH PROPERTIES THAT WERE DELIC. SOUNDS LIKE IT'S SOME CLOSE TO FORECLOSURE IN BAD SHAPE. UH, YOU, YOU BY RIGHT, THEY CAN DO A LONG-TERM RENTAL, WHICH IS ANYTHING OVER 91 DAYS. UH, YOU COULD GET A BAD NEIGHBOR FOR A YEAR. UH, THEY COULD BE LOUD AND DISRESPECTFUL AND THERE IS NO RULES OF ENFORCEMENT TO MAKE THEM BEHAVE OR FIND THEM OR DO ANYTHING. BUT AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL, THERE IS A SET OF RULES THAT HAVE TO BE COMPLIED. NOISE AND, YOU KNOW, PEACE AND HARMONY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IF THE RULES ARE BROKEN, IT CAN BE TAKEN AWAY. IT'S NOT A, THIS IS THE WAY IT IS FOR LIFE. IF IT'S APPROVED, UH, PERSONALLY HAVE ONE ON THE END OF MY ROAD, I WOULD NOT EVEN KNOW IT WAS THERE OTHER THAN I WAS SITTING HERE AND VOTED FOR IT. I WOULD HAVE NO IDEA THAT IT WAS EVEN THERE. AND THEN, UH, HE CORRECT. WE CAN'T ENFORCE NCE. THAT'S A, AN AGREEMENT. IT'S NOT WITH THE COUNTY. SO THE COUNTY HAS NO JURISDICTION OVER IT. UM, I'M NOT SO MUCH AGAINST YOUR COVENANTS, BUT ALL, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT, WE, WE, WE DON'T ENFORCE IT THAT WAY. YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, THAT'S AN AGREEMENT THAT WAS MADE SOMEWHERE ELSE. SO WE, SO WE HAVE NO, AND EVERYTHING IN YOUR COVENANT SEEMED TO GO BACK TO RESIDENTIAL USE. UH, THE STATE LEGISLATOR HAS RULED IT AS SHORT TERM RENTAL AS A RESIDENTIAL USE. IT IS NOT A COMMERCIAL USE. 'CAUSE IT WOULD BE A COMMERCIAL USE PERMIT AT THIS POINT. AND IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A COMMERCIAL USE. THEY'RE SIMPLY JUST LIVING IN THE HOME UNDER A SHORTER TERM. THERE'S NO BUSINESS TRAFFIC. THEY'RE NOT SELLING A PRODUCT. THERE'S NO MANUFACTURING REPAIR. I MEAN, IT'S NOT A COMMERCIAL ENTITY. THEY ARE JUST SIMPLY STAYING THERE UNDER A SHORT TERM. SO, UH, IT'S NOT, NOT CONSIDERED COMMERCIAL. SO IF YOUR, UH, COVENANTS WAS TO RESTRICT IT, IT NEEDS TO BE MORE SPECIFIC. AND IT DOES SAY RESIDENTIAL USE DOES NOT, DOES NOT RESTRICT IT. SO IT'S NOW, AND IT NOW COVERS THIS HERE. YEAH. WELL, I, OH, I CAN'T ENFORCE YOUR COVENANT ANYWAY FROM HERE. UM, AND UH, WE'VE HAD REAL GOOD LUCK AND I'VE GOT 'EM IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU, YOU, I THINK IT'S MORE OF A SKEW TACTIC. EVERYBODY PICTURES, IT'S GONNA BE A BIG PARTY THERE EVERY WEEKEND. AND IT'S USUALLY A COUPLE THAT COMES OUT. WANTS TO ENJOY, YOU KNOW, THE AREA AND THEY STAY THERE A FEW DAYS AND THEY'RE GONE. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY IN THE SENSE THAT THERE'S NO A PERMANENT RESIDENCE. HEY, IT'S TAX BURDEN. IF THEY GOT CHILDREN, THE SCHOOL, THERE'S NO TAX BURDEN. IT'S IN THAT POSITIVE. FROM THAT RESPECT, IT KEEPS A DERELICT HOME FROM BEING DERELICT ALL THEY HAVE TO KEEP THE HOME FAIRLY NICE, OR IT'S NO LONGER A MARKETABLE PRODUCT. YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GONNA LOOK LIKE A DUMPSTER FIRE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE A PERMANENT RESIDENT, YOU KNOW, UNLESS IT'S A, SOME KIND OF HEALTH ENVIRONMENT CAT OR SOMETHING, THE COUNTY MIGHT BE ABLE TO STEP IN. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, AND IF IT LOOKS BAD, IT'LL DEVALUE YOUR PROPERTY AND A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL WILL NOT. SO, UH, FROM MY STANDPOINT, I'M KIND OF A LAND RIGHTS GUY HERE. I KIND OF GET UP ON THE HORSE OUTTA WAY. BUT IF IT'S NOT DEVALUING YOUR PROPERTY OR TAKING ANYTHING AWAY FROM YOU, I PRETTY MUCH THINK IF YOU'RE ON YOUR PROPERTY, YOU CAN DO PRETTY MUCH WHAT YOU WANT. SO, I, [03:10:01] I, I DEFINITELY SUPPORT SHORT TERM RENTALS, UNLESS THEY DON'T MEET THE SETBACKS OR RULES. WE'VE DENIED ONE TONIGHT FOR THAT 'CAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE SUPPORT OF THEIR NEIGHBOR. THIS ONE FITS OUR GUIDELINE RULES. AND, UH, I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO IT. I AGREE WITH MR. HENRY. AND THEN I ALSO WILL SAY TOO, WE HAD A FORMER PLANNING COMMISSIONER UP HERE. HE SAID ACROSS THE ROAD FROM THIS HOUSE WAS A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL. AND THE ONLY THING HE SAW DIFFERENT WAS JUST A DIFFERENT CAR IN THE DRIVEWAY OCCASIONALLY. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING? NO. NO. TAKE A MOTION, PLEASE. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST. JESSICA YOUNG, FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED WOULD BE PASSED ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THE RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. OUR FINAL PUBLIC HEARING. GIVE HIM A SECOND TO CLEAR OUT. WE LET THINGS CLEAR OUT. DO WE WANT TO TAKE A POTTY BREAK? MR. CHAIRMAN? SHE HAS ASKED ABOUT A POTTY BREAK. POTTY BREAK. WELL, JUST BEING THAT IT'S, SAY YEAH. ALRIGHT, LET'S TAKE ABOUT FIVE, 10 MINUTES AND RECONVENE. SOUNDS GOOD. RESTROOM BREAK? YES. YEP. OH, GEEZ. THIS IS GONNA BE FUN HEARING TONIGHT. 2024 WARREN COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REVISION. WAIT, WHERE IS IT? [VII.L. 2024 Warren County Comprehensive Plan Revisions - Authorization to advertise for a second public hearing at the January 8th Planning Commission meeting. This public hearing is for the draft of the Comprehensive Plan with revisions made since the November 12th joint work session, community outreach, and the November 13th public hearing and for additional Planning Commission and public comments. - Kelly Wahl , Planner ] THE PUBLIC HEARING IS FOR THE DRAFTS OF A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WITH REVISIONS MADE SINCE NOVEMBER 12TH, JOINT WORK SESSION, COMMUNITY OUTREACH, AND NOVEMBER 13TH, PUBLIC HEARING. AND FOR ADDITIONAL PLANNING, COMMISSION AND PUBLIC COMMENTS. MS. WALL. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. I DO WANNA MAKE, UH, I WANNA POINT OUT ONE THING. THE AGENDA STATES THAT THIS IS FOR AUTHORIZATION TO ADVERTISE TO MAKE IT CLEAR. THIS IS FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING. UM, SO THE AGENDA DOES SAY AUTHORIZATION TO ADVERTISE, BUT THIS IS OBVIOUSLY FOR PUBLIC HEARING. WE DID ADVERTISEMENT LAST MONTH. UM, SO THIS PUBLIC HEARING IS FOR THE DRAFT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WITH PROVISIONS MADE SINCE THE NOVEMBER 12TH JOINT WORK SESSION, COMMUNITY OUTREACH, THE NOVEMBER 13TH PUBLIC HEARING, AND FOR, UH, THE ADDITIONAL PLANNING COMMISSION AND PUBLIC COMMENTS. SINCE THE 2024 NOVEMBER MEETINGS, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS BEEN UPDATED TO REFLECT THE CHANGES RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND THE PUBLIC. AN ITEMIZED LIST DETAILING THESE CHANGES HAS BEEN INCLUDED IN THE AGENDA PACKET. OUR GIS COORDINATOR, COREY, HAS MADE AMENDMENTS TO THE PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE MAPS AND PROVIDED THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR YOU ALL TO, TO TAKE A LOOK AT AND MAKE A MOTION ON. UM, SPECIFICALLY TO THE ROUTE 3 45 22 CORRIDOR. THEY HAVE BEEN, LIKE I SAID, INCLUDED FOR REVIEW PLANNING. STAFF HAS RECEIVED THE EDITS FROM WARREN COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS. UH, THEY WERE RECEIVED ON NOVEMBER OR DECEMBER 20TH. THEY ARE NOT IN THIS DRAFT AS THIS DRAFT WAS PUT UP FOR AUTHORIZATION TO ADVERTISE. BEFORE WE RECEIVE THOSE EDITS, THERE IS A COPY OF THEIR FULL EDITS PROVIDED TO YOU IN YOUR PACKET. THEY HAVE BEEN MADE IN THE CURRENT DRAFT, WHICH WOULD APPEAR NEXT TIME. UM, SO EVERY TIME WE BRING THIS TO PUBLIC HEARING, THERE IS A DRAFT THAT IS A LITTLE BIT AHEAD ON, YOU KNOW, FOR PLANNING STAFF, WHEREAS THIS ONE'S A LITTLE BIT JUST BEHIND BECAUSE OF THE AUTHORIZATION TO ADVERTISE PROCESS. UM, WE HAVE ADDED ADDITIONAL NON-PROFITS. WE ADDED A TABLE IDENTIFYING AGRICULTURAL LOTS, VACANT AGRICULTURAL LOTS, AND NON-VA AGRICULTURAL LOTS WITH ADDED LANGUAGE THAT IN DECEMBER OF 2024, WARREN COUNTY, GIS COMPLETED AN ANALYSIS OF AGRICULTURAL ZONE PROPERTIES EQUAL TO OR GREATER THAN THREE AND A HALF ACRES THAT COULD ACCOMMODATE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS. VACANT LOTS WOULD REQUIRE A PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE PRIOR TO THE APPROVAL OF AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT OR GUEST HOUSE. UM, AGAIN, THE PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE MAPS, WHICH OUR PLANNING DIRECTOR MAP WILL EXPAND ON, UM, IN JUST A LITTLE BIT. BUT, UH, OTHER THAN THAT, WE'RE READY TO TAKE THIS FORWARD. UM, ALL THE CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE BASED ON PUBLIC COMMENT. WE JUST NEED TO DECIDE ON HOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE MAP. OKAY. OKAY. WITH THAT, UH, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD THROUGH THE, UH, MAPS. WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT AT THIS POINT IN TIME IS OUR CURRENT, UH, PROPO, WELL ACTUALLY PROPOSED THE, THIS IS OUR PROPOSED FUTURE LAND U USE MAP. UM, UH, AND I, I'VE GOT, I'M KELLY, IF YOU CAN, THERE'S OPTION, UH, OPTION ONE. SO WE HAVE OPTION ONE AND OPTION ONE. BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IT AT THE 140 ACRE PARCEL IS THE, UH, THE MODIFICATIONS WE MADE BASED ON THE PUBLIC HEARING WE HAD LAST, WELL, UH, IN, IN [03:15:01] DECEMBER, UH, WITH SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE THAT THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT DEVELOPMENT DIRECTLY BEHIND, UH, SOME RESIDENTIAL PARCELS THERE ALONG, UH, ASHBY STATION. AND SO WE TOOK OUT THAT PORTION BEHIND THOSE ABOUT A 40 ACRE PARCEL PART, PART OF THAT PARCEL TO LEAVE IN AGRICULTURAL, UH, THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT, UH, BUFFERING AGAIN, UH, ADJACENT TO THOSE AND ADJACENT TO ASHBY STATION. SO WE PUT A BUFFER IN THERE OF, UH, 100 FEET ALONG ASHBY STATION, 200 FEET ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTIES. AND THAT WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO OUR STANDARD BUFFERING REQUIREMENTS, UH, FOR, UH, AGRICULTURAL ZONING ADJACENT TO, UH, UH, THE INDUSTRIAL ZONING. AND THERE ARE SOME NUMBERS THERE AS FAR AS THAT GOES, THAT WOULD BE ENFORCED AS FAR AS DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY. UH, IF YOU LOOK TO THE WEST PART OF THE PROPERTY SLATE RUN, UH, THAT IS CURRENTLY FUTURE LAND USE FOR INDUSTRIAL, THE PORTION THAT WE HAS HA WE HAVE GOING THROUGH THE CENTER IS THE FLOODPLAIN OVERLAY AREA THAT, UH, WE WOULD NEED TO PROTECT AS PART OF ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT PROPERTY. JUST TO THE SOUTHWEST OF THAT, OR A COUPLE OF PARCELS THAT A PROPERTY OWNER, UH, REQUESTED TO PUT IN FOR FUTURE, UH, RESIDENTIAL, UH, WHICH WOULD BE, IN THIS CASE, RURAL RESIDENTIAL WITH VERY SIMILAR TO AGRICULTURAL, WITH A LITTLE BIT, UH, HIGHER BUILDING DENSITY. BUT, UM, VERY SIMILAR IN WHAT, UH, YOU CAN DO, BUT WITH A LITTLE BIT OF A LIMITED, UH, AGRICULTURAL COMPONENT. YOU HAVE, UH, YOU HAVE SOME AGRICULTURAL USES, LIVESTOCK AND, BUT, BUT ON A SMALLER SCALE. AND THEN, UH, AS WE MOVE DOWN TO THE LOWER SOUTHWEST CORNER, RIGHT SOUTHWEST CORNER, UH, THE APP, THE PROPERTY OWNER, UH, REQUESTED THAT THAT PROPERTY BE DOWN ZONE FROM A COMMERCIAL TO A AGRICULTURAL BECAUSE, UM, HE, HE'S PAYING A LOT IN TAXES FOR THE, UH, TWO ADJACENT LOTS AND THAT LOT FOR COMMERCIAL. AND HE'S NOT GETTING ANYTHING, UH, BITES AS FAR AS COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. WHAT HE WANTS TO DO IS, IS PUT A SMALL CLUSTER SUBDIVISION WITH THAT LOT AND TWO ADJACENT AGRICULTURAL LOTS, WHICH ARE CURRENTLY AGRICULTURAL. HE WANTS TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT TO JUSTIFY BEING ABLE TO JUST BASICALLY THE COST OF THE TAXES AND KEEPING THE OTHER TWO LOTS IN, IN COMMERCIAL, YOU'LL NOTICE THE, UH, INDUSTRIAL LOT THERE JUST ADJACENT TO RIVERTON COMMONS. THAT'S CORRECT. MM-HMM . THAT'S A COUNTY OWNED LOT RIGHT NOW. UH, IT IS ADJACENT TO THE, UH, UH, DOMINION POWER PLANT AND THE, UM, THE GOLF COURSE, THE, THE FRONT ROYAL GOLF CLUB, UH, THAT CURRENTLY IS, I BELIEVE DUAL ZONED AS COMMERCIAL AND, AND, AND AGRICULTURAL. WE JUST CHOSE TO GO AHEAD WITH THAT TO BE TOTALLY IN INDUSTRIAL. UH, MOST OF WHAT YOU SEE ALONG THE WESTERN SIDE OF 3 45 22 AND THE RED ARE COMMERCIAL, UH, AREAS THAT ARE CURRENTLY, UH, IN, UH, CURRENTLY AGRICULTURAL. AND THEY WOULD JUST BE BASICALLY INFILL AREAS FOR COMMERCIAL ZONING ALONG 5 22, 3 40. UM, THERE IS ONE, UH, CORRECTION WE'LL NEED TO MAKE. THERE IS A COMMERCIAL PIECE, UH, OR A PARCEL THAT'S, UH, UNDER, UM, FUTURE LAND USE FOR COMMERCIAL THAT WE DID NOT SHOW. AND THAT'S PART OF THE SLATE RUN PROPERTY TO THE JUST ADJACENT. SO WE'LL MAKE THAT SURE THAT THAT GETS, UH, TAKEN CARE OF. PRIMARILY, YOU'LL SEE, UH, IN THE LITTLE INSET IS, UH, CURRENT FUTURE, OUR CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE MAP, WHICH YOU CAN KIND OF DO A COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS. OKAY. AND THAT IS OPTION ONE WE HAVE. OKAY, SO OPTION TWO, UM, WE WERE PUTTING OUR PLANNING CAPS ON, AND, UH, THERE I WILL SAY THAT THERE WAS AN ACTIVE APPLICATION THAT WAS TABLED FOR REZONING OF SITE RUN PROPERTIES. AND SO, UM, WE DID, WE MET WITH ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS WHO, WHO, UH, WANTED TO DO RURAL RESIDENTIAL. WE SAID, WELL, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AND SEE WHAT MAYBE RURAL RESIDENTIAL WOULD LOOK LIKE IF THE PROPERTY OWNERS WANTED TO DO THAT AS AN ALTERNATIVE. IF, IF IT WOULD BE BEST FOR THE, UH, UH, PROPERTY CONSIDERING ITS ITS PROXIMITY TO BLUE RIDGE SHADOWS, CONSIDERING THAT A BRIDGE WOULD'VE TO BE BUILT TO THAT PROPERTY. [03:20:01] UM, AND CONSIDERING SOME BASICALLY TAX IMPLICATIONS THAT, THAT, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNERS HAD HAD DISCUSSED WITH US. UM, WE DID THAT AND THEN IN, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT, WE LOOKED AT THAT 150 ACRE PROPERTY AND SAID, WELL, THIS, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE THE OFFSET TO WHAT WE'RE, WE WOULD BASICALLY BE TAKING AWAY IN, IN, ON THE WEST SIDE. OKAY. UM, AND THEN YOU'LL NOTE SOME OF THE OTHER PROPERTIES ARE ALL VERY MUCH THE SAME. OKAY. UM, TO MAKE LONG STORY SHORT, THE APPLICANTS PROPERTY OWNERS WANTED TO CONTINUE WITH, UH, REZONING APPLICATION AS INDUSTRIAL AND REQUESTED, UH, ADDITIONAL TIME FROM THE BOARD TO HAVE THAT, UH, FURTHER TABLED BEFORE DECISION COULD BE MADE. SO THIS OPTION TWO IS REALLY OFF THE BOOK, I GUESS IT'S ON. YEAH. AND SO WE'VE TAKEN THAT AND WE'RE NOW BACK AT, BACK AT INDUSTRIAL FOR THAT. AND AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THE INDUSTRIAL THERE FOR SLATE RUN. UM, YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, THE HIGH, THE, THE 150 ACRE PROPERTY THERE WHERE WE'VE, WE'VE, UH, COMPROMISED AND ACTUALLY TAKEN SOME OF THAT PARCEL AND JUST KEPT IT AS AGRICULTURAL. OKAY. SO LET'S KEEP ONE MORE. OKAY. AND THEN, UH, SO CONSEQUENTLY, UH, WE DID SOME ANALYSIS, UH, AS TO WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE AVAILABLE FOR EXISTING, UM, UH, INDUSTRIAL. UH, AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF VACANT PARCELS THAT ARE UNDER CONTRACT WHERE WE HAVE CONCEPT PLANS OR WE ACTUALLY HAVE, UH, SITE PLANS, UH, SUBMITTED TO THE COUNTY, UM, WHICH IS GOOD. MOST OF THOSE ARE FOR, UH, UM, UH, WAREHOUSING AND DISTRIBUTION. UH, THE, A COUPLE OF THOSE ARE THE EDA PARCELS THAT WERE SOLD, UM, AND NOW OFF THE BOOKS. AND, UM, SO CONSEQUENTLY MANY OF THOSE WE SUSPECT AND WE HOPE THAT, UH, THEY WILL BE DEVELOPED WITHIN THE NEXT TWO TO FIVE YEARS, MAYBE LONGER. UH, RUSH MARK, WHICH WAS A PROPERTY RIGHT THERE OFF ROCKLAND ROAD IN WINCHESTER ROAD, WAS APPROVED FOR A REZONING AND IS, UH, ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO. AND THEY ARE IN THE FINAL STAGES OF THEIR SITE PLAN. UH, THEY'VE NOT GOTTEN A PERMIT YET, SO, UM, THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT CAN TAKE TIME, UH, A COUPLE OF THE OTHER PARCELS THAT ARE MOVING A LITTLE BIT FASTER. BUT, UM, SO IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE, UH, EXISTING AS VACANT LOTS, SOME OF THOSE ARE UNDER, UH, LIKE I SAID, CONTRACT. UM, OUR GIS GUY DID DO, HE DID A COUPLE OF ANALYSIS FOR ME. ONE ANALYSIS WAS FOR, UH, ALL OF THE INDUSTRIAL PARCELS IN THE COUNTY, AND HE, HE JUST RUN, IT RAN AQUARIUM. AND WE HAVE, UH, I THINK IT WAS ABOUT 38 WITH OVER, I WANNA SAY ABOUT OVER 800 ACRES CUMULATIVE. AND THEN I ASKED HIM, WE SAT DOWN AND WE LOOKED AT SOME OF THESE PARCELS THAT REALLY DIDN'T QUALIFY SOMEWHERE IN, UH, UM, EXALTA PROPERTY. SOME WERE JUST SMALL PARCELS THAT WERE, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY WOULD NOT BE, UH, WOULD HAVE TO BE, UH, CONSOLIDATED. AND WE CAME UP WITH, UM, SOME UNDEVELOPED PARCELS THAT WERE A COMBINATION OF AGRICULTURAL, COMMERCIAL, AND INDUSTRIAL ZONING AT THIS TIME. AND THERE WAS ABOUT EIGHT PARCELS THAT ARE JUST REALLY, WE'LL JUST SAY ON THE OPEN MARKET FOR SALE FOR, AND, AND THAT WAS ABOUT 88 ACRES. OKAY. SO WE DO HAVE A LOT IN THE PIPELINE, BUT UM, WE, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S NOT GONNA BE AROUND FOR A LONG TIME. SO OUR PLANNERS HATCH WERE SET WAS SAYING, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, THAT I, THAT, UH, PARCEL TO THE NORTH OF FAMILY DOLLAR, I WILL MENTION. AND, UM, THIS IS IN THE RECORD FROM THE 1996 MINUTES THAT FAIRGROUND ROAD WAS THE, THE, THE STOP STOPPING POINT FOR THE TOWN TO PROVIDE PUBLIC SEWER AND WATER. AND WE HAVE GONE BY THAT FOR THE PAST 27, 28 YEARS. UM, IF THERE WAS EVER TO BE, UH, AN APPLICATION SUBMITTED TO THE COUNTY FOR REZONING, IF WE LEAVE IT AS AGRICULTURAL, THEY WOULD ALSO HAVE TO APPLY AS A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT. THAT COMP PLAN AMENDMENT WOULD HAVE TO BE APPROVED BEFORE ANY REZONING WOULD GO FORTH. [03:25:01] OKAY. SO, UM, AND THEN IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT, THE BOARD WOULD HAVE TO REQUEST PUBLIC SEWER AND WATER FOR THAT SITE FROM THE TOWN, AND THE TOWN WOULD HAVE TO AGREE TO THAT. UH, I DID REACH OUT TO THE TOWN ABOUT THAT IF THERE'S A POTENTIAL. THEY BASIC, UH, I DIDN'T REALLY GET, I DIDN'T GET AN EMAIL. I CAN'T FIND ANY EMAILS REGARDING THAT. BUT I'VE SPOKEN WITH MR. WALTZ IN THE PAST AND HE'S, HIS PRETTY MUCH, HE, HIS GEN GENERIC ANSWER IS THAT THE TOWN COUNCIL HAS TO APPROVE, UH, TO, UH, BRING THAT PROPERTY OR INTO THEIR SEWER AND WATER DISTRICT. SO, UH, THAT'S A BIG HURDLE. WE ADMIT IT. UM, YOU KNOW, THE BOARD MAY NOT EVEN WANT TO, UH, BUT WE JUST PUT THAT OUT THERE. UM, AS PART OF THIS OPTION HERE, THE, THE 150 ACRES WOULD REMAIN AGRICULTURAL IN TO TOTAL FOR THE TIME BEING. UM, I WILL MENTION SOME OF THE REASONS, AND AGAIN, WE'RE NOT DOING THIS TO INFLAME THE COMMUNITY. WE UNDERSTAND HOW VALUABLE, HOW THE ROCKLAND COMMUNITY, I, I SAT IN ON YOUR, YOUR, UH, CHARETTES UNDERSTAND HOW VALUABLE PRESERVATION AND CONSERVATION IS TO THE COMMUNITY AND AGRICULTURAL. OKAY. BUT WE'RE ALSO LOOKING FROM A PLANNING STANDPOINT TO FIND A BALANCE OF, FOR THAT INDUSTRIAL TAX BASE AND REV TO PROVIDE REVENUE FOR THE COUNTY IN THE FUTURE. THAT'S WHAT PAYS FOR ALL YOUR GOODS AND SERVICES IN THE COUNTY, THAT YOU GET YOUR SCHOOLS AND EVERYTHING. SO THAT WAS AN INTENT. IT WASN'T, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT INTENDED, UH, INFLAME THE COMMUNITY AND DO THIS JUST FOR THE SAKE OF DOING THAT. UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL HERE TOGETHER TRYING TO MAKE THIS COMMUNITY A BETTER COMMUNITY. AND, UM, THIS WAS JUST AN OPTION THAT WE WERE KIND OF LOOKING AT. UM, I'LL JUST SAY THIS. UM, SO WE HAVE THREE OPTIONS THAT ARE ON THE BOARD, UH, ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S, UH, AGENDA AS MOTIONS. UM, I'LL JUST SAY THAT STAFF, UH, STAFF IS SUGGESTING. AND, AND THIS IS, UH, BASED ON MY CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, SOME OF OUR, UM, BOARD MEMBER, UH, BOARD BOARD MEMBERS AND, AND, AND PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS. OKAY. UH, WE'RE SU AND, AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE REVISING OUR OPINION, OPINION. THE STAFF IS SUGGESTING THAT BECAUSE THE TIMELINES RELATING TO THE REVIEW AND UPDATE OF A COMP PLAN EVERY FIVE YEARS, IT MAY BE BEST TO ASSESS OVER THE PERIOD OF DEVELOPMENT AND INDUSTRIAL GROWTH AND THE USE OF THE CURRENT, UH, FUTURE LAND USE PROPERTIES OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. THEN HOLD OFF ON THIS PROPERTY UNTIL EITHER AN APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED FOR A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT AND REZONING BY THE PROPERTY OWNER OR A DEVELOPER, OR THE PROPERTY IS DEVELOPED WITH AN AGRICULTURAL LAND USE THAT IS, THAT IT CURRENTLY QUALIFIES FOR SUCH AS AGRITOURISM VINEYARDS HORTICULTURE, OR SVA SILVICULTURE, WHICH BASICALLY WOULD, UH, COMPLY WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES THAT ARE IN AN AG FORESTAL DISTRICT. UH, IF WE WANT, CAN WE GO TO THE ONE MAP SHOWING THE AG FORESTRY DISTRICT AND THE, UH, HISTORIC OVERLAY? UH, YEAH. OKAY. SO THERE'S YOUR, THERE'S YOUR AG FORESTRY DISTRICT. KELLY, CAN YOU JUST POINT TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY? SO AG FORESTRY DISTRICT IS GONNA HAVE THE, THE HASH YEAH, THOSE ARE YOUR A HASH MARKS. YEAH. AND THEN THE OTHER ONES ARE CONSERVATION EASEMENTS. UH, THE ERRAND PROPERTY NORTH OF THAT IS UNDER CONSERVATION EASEMENT TO THE NORTH OF THAT IS A, UH, ROCKY GLEN SUBDIVISION THAT IS JUST AGRICULTURALLY ZONED, BUT IT'S 20 ACRE LOTS WITH A FEW THAT HAD BEEN SUBDIVIDED AS FAMILY SUBDIVISIONS. UM, AND THEN IF YOU GO BACK AND WE CAN SEE THE, UH, HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT, THIS PROPERTY IS NOT A PART OF THAT HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT. AND, UM, THIS WAS ANOTHER REASON WHY WE IDENTIFIED IT. I REMEMBERED FROM OUR, OUR, THE, THE CHARETTE AND THE, THE PLANNING SESSIONS THAT WE HAD WITH THE ROCKLAND FOLKS THAT IT, IT DID NOT EXTEND TO THIS PROPERTY. UM, IT EXTENDED TO THE ARY PROPERTIES IN THE AARON PROPERTIES TO THE, UH, NORTH AND TO THE EAST. YEAH. AND TO THE EAST OF THAT. UM, SO THAT'S THE MOTIVATION, FOLKS. UH, I, I APPRECIATE Y'ALL STAYING THIS EVENING. UM, [03:30:01] AND, UH, I APPRECIATE YOUR PASSION AND FOR PRESERVATION AND, UH, CONSERVATION OF, OF THE, OF THE AREA. IT'S YOUR HOME, AND I KNOW THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO YOU. UM, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO LOOK AT THE VARIOUS OPTIONS THAT THE COUNTY HAS, UH, FOR FUTURE LAND USE FOR, UM, INDUSTRIAL, COMMERCIAL AND, AND AGRICULTURAL LAND USES IN ORDER TO, YOU KNOW, TO BA BASICALLY PAY THE COUNTY BILLS THROUGH, UH, THROUGH, UH, UM, UH, INDUSTRIAL AND, AND, AND COMMERCIAL, UH, TAX BASE VERSUS, YOU KNOW, INCREASING TAXES. SO, UM, THAT, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. I'LL PASS IT ON TO OUR PLANNING COMMISSION. UH, IF YOU WANTS, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF YOU WANT TO OPEN A, UM, PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. THANK YOU. WE'LL DO THAT. PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN. I ALSO, WHO SIGNED UP FIRST, UH, DR. TOM PATTERSON, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION TO COME TONIGHT TO MAKE A PLEA. DR. PASS, WE NEED YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, DR. TOM PATTERSON. UH, 9 21 ASHBY STATION ROAD. THANK YOU, SIR. SIR, I'M SORRY. UM, I COME TONIGHT TO MAKE A PLEA THAT WE CONTINUE THAT PROPERTY THAT'S NORTH OF THE, WE WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT THE FAMILY DOLLAR AND BELIEVE THAT AGRICULTURE RATHER THAN MAKING A CHANGE, AND I HAVE, UM, A NUMBER OF REASONS FOR THAT. ONE, IT DOES SERVE AS A BUFFER, UM, BETWEEN THE AGRICULTURAL PROPERTY THAT'S ACROSS ASHBY STATION ROAD, INCLUDING MR. T'S PROPERTY, AND ALSO HAVING SOME OTHER COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THERE WOULD HAVE SOME IMPACT. ALTHOUGH I, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT, UH, ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT IT, ABOUT , WHICH IS ONLY A, A NATIONAL HISTORICAL REGISTERED HOME THAT HAS A LOT OF IMPACT IN THE AREA. BUT THOSE ARE NOT THE OTHER MAIN REASONS THAT I WANT TO DO THIS IN ADDITION TO, THE MAIN REASON IS TO KEEP THE AREA MORE AGRICULTURAL AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. WHEN I FIRST CAME UP HERE ABOUT, UH, 45 PLUS YEARS AGO, AND WE, I HAD EVENTUALLY GOT SOME PROPERTY ON ASHBY STATION, AND I'M ONLY ABOUT FROM THAT AREA, I'M ONLY ABOUT HALF A MILE AND EXTENDED A LITTLE BIT BEYOND, BEYOND A HALF A MILE. AND WHAT I FOUND A AFTERWARDS, THE PROPERTY THERE ON THE FRONT IS NOTHING BUT A SLAB OF ROCK. I MEAN, IT'S A TREMENDOUS, IT IS ALL COVERED OVER BECAUSE THEY BROUGHT IN A DUMP TRUCK, GOT THE DUMP TRUCK, THE DUMP TRUCK OF DIRT, AND THEY PROBABLY, HE ONLY PROBABLY GOT SIX INCHES OF DIRT OVER A LOT OF THE AREA THERE. SO IT'S PROBABLY ONLY GOOD FOR THE GRAZING. I'M NOT SURE THAT IT'S ENOUGH DEPTH OF DIRT FOR MOST OF IT, THAT YOU COULD EVEN, UH, PUT A VINEYARD IN THERE OR SOMETHING IF YOU WANTED TO. YOU'D HAVE TO COMPETE WITH THE CEDAR TREES ANYWAY, IF YOU DID. UH, AND WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT. AFTER I BUILT MY HOUSE, THEY THEN PUT FAMILY DOLLAR IN AND THE BLASTING GOING ON WITH FAMILY DOLLAR AND, AND THE WATER TOWER CRACKED IN THE BASEMENT OF MY HOUSE, THE FOUNDATION, WHICH I HAD TO TAKE CARE OF OUTTA MY POCKET. THE TOWN DIDN'T TAKE CARE OF THAT, YOU KNOW, THE FAMILY DOG. SO ANYWAY, I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT LEFT WHERE IT COULD HAVE SOMEBODY WANTING TO PUT SOMETHING IN THERE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO BLASTING. AND IF YOU HAD TO CHANGE IT FROM AGRICULTURAL, AT LEAST SEE IF YOU COULD PUT SOME LIMITS AND RESTRICTIONS SO THAT THERE ISN'T A LOT OF BLASTING TO, TO BLAST OUT ALL THE ROCK, TO DO WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE DONE. SO I ASK THAT YOU SERIOUSLY CONSIDER THAT FOR THOSE REASONS I'M NOT. THANK YOU, DOCTOR MARK ROCKEFELLER. UH, GOOD EVENING. MARK ROCKEFELLER, UH, FIVE 30 ASHBY STATION ROAD. UM, HERE TO ASK THE COMMISSION TO RECOMMEND AGAINST ANYTHING THAT INVOLVES THE EXPANSION OF INDUSTRIAL ZONING NORTH OF FAMILY DOLLAR. UH, QUICK STORY. MY WIFE AND I MOVED HERE, UH, THIS PAST SUMMER, UH, TO RAISE OUR KIDS WITH SOME DIRT UNDER THEIR FINGERNAILS AND START A LITTLE FAMILY FARM. BEFORE WE BOUGHT, WE OF COURSE DID OUR DILIGENCE, US WITH OUR LAWYERS. SO WE CONSULTED THE ZONING LAWS, WE LOOKED AT THE, UH, THEN IN PROGRESS 2024 PLAN. WE LOOKED AT BOARD MINUTES, WE SPOKE TO LOCALS. [03:35:01] EVERYTHING TOLD US EVERYTHING. ZONING WOULD NEVER, INDUSTRIAL ZONING WOULD NEVER EVER GO NORTH OF FAMILY DOLLAR EVER. AND SO WE, WITH CONSIDERABLE EXPENSE, UM, PURCHASED THE LAND, PURCHASED EQUIPMENT, CHICKENS, I JUST BOUGHT MY FIRST CATTLE AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. YOU CAN IMAGINE OUR SURPRISE. THEN IN OCTOBER WHEN THE 141 ACRES NORTH OF FAMILY DOLLAR WAS LISTED FOR SALE AS COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL FOR $9.1 MILLION. THAT'S THREE AND A HALF TIMES ITS APPRAISED VALUE. HOW COULD THIS BE? THIS WAS CLEARLY AGRICULTURAL LAND. IT WAS ZONED AGRICULTURAL AT THE TIME. AND SO WE STARTED TALKING TO OUR NEIGHBORS. MANY OF THEM ARE HERE. AND WE FORMED A GROUP, UH, CALLED THE NORTH, UH, NORTH WARREN CITIZENS ALLIANCE. AND WE DID SOME RESEARCH. UH, WHAT WE FOUND WAS VERY TROUBLING. I SENT YOU AN EMAIL YESTERDAY WITH A BUNCH OF THOSE FACTS AND ALSO FOUR OR FIVE QUESTIONS THAT CLEARLY HAVE TO BE ANSWERED BEFORE YOU CAN ADDRESS THIS ISSUE. QUESTIONS SUCH AS, DID THE SELLERS OF THAT PARCEL KNOW? DID THEY HAVE ADVANCED NOTICE FROM THIS COMMISSION OR SOMEONE ON THE STAFF THAT IT WAS GONNA BE REZONED PROPOSED AS INDUSTRIAL? WHAT CONVERSATIONS MAY HAVE TAKEN PLACE BETWEEN MEMBERS OF STAFF AND INVESTORS, PROPERTY OWNERS, AND SO FORTH? AND WHY WERE THOSE NOT DISCLOSED IN RESPONSE TO OUR FOUR YEAR REQUESTS? WE HAVE SUBMITTED FOUR YEAR REQUESTS. THERE'S SIX MORE THAT WE JUST SUBMITTED. UM, THOSE ARE OUTSTANDING AT THIS POINT. HOW DO THE CURRENT SELLERS KNOW TO ASK FOR A WHOPPING $9.1 MILLION? AND WHY WOULD THEY LIST IT IN SUCH A WAY THAT WOULD ASSUME THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE ZONED INDUSTRIAL? IT SEEMS AS IF, AND WE HATE TO SORT OF MAKE ANY ACCUSATIONS, BUT AS IF THE FIX WAS IN, AS IF THERE WAS A BUYER READY. I'M A FORMER FEDERAL PROSECUTOR, I'M A MILITARY VETERAN, AND THIS REACHED TO HIGH HEAVEN. AND SO WE'RE GONNA KEEP DIGGING, WE'RE GONNA FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON. BUT IT IS QUITE CLEAR TO ME, AND OUR GROUP HAS CONSULTED LAWYERS, ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANTS, UH, LAND USE CONSULTANTS, UM, EVERYONE, HISTORIANS, UH, AND WE'RE READY FOR A FIGHT. BUT IT IS VERY, VERY CLEAR TO ME THAT YOU CANNOT APPROVE ANYTHING THAT IS HALF FAKED OR THAT IS IN ITS CURRENT STATE. YOU HAVE TO TABLE THIS AND LET THE PROCESS, UH, RUN ITS COURSE. IT IS TOO EARLY TO MAKE A DECISION ON THIS. THANK YOU, JEFF LEUE, THAT GOOD EVENING LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. IT'S NICE TO SEE ALL OF YOU. I DON'T COME IN FRONT OF YOU VERY OFTEN, BUT WE DO NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. WE DON'T REMEMBER THAT MUCH ABOUT YOU. I GUESS YOU DEAL TOLD THOUGH. IT DO YOU. I'M JEFF LEHE. I I LIVE CURRENTLY AT 7 7 9 SHANNON HILL LANE. I'VE LIVED THERE FOR TWO YEARS. BEFORE THAT, FOR 30 YEARS, I LIVED AT FIVE 30 ASHBURY STATION ROAD, WHICH WAS ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY THAT MATT'S DESCRIBED VERY NICELY THIS EVENING. THE HONG HONG FARM, I THINK I KNOW THE HONG FARM, PROBABLY THE TOPOGRAPHY BETTER THAN ANYBODY. UH, IT, THE ENTIRE FARM. I USED ALL 141 ACRES TO, FOR MY FLIGHT PLAN EVERY TIME I LANDED MY HELICOPTER FOR 15 YEARS. UH, AND I THINK DR. PATTERSON MENTIONED IT, IT, IT IS NOTHING BUT ROCKS. UM, UH, AGAIN, AFTER 30 YEARS, I, I THINK I SAW HIM TRY TO BUSH HOG AT ONE TIME. YOU HAVE TO WEED EAT THAT FARM IF YOU'RE GONNA MOW IT ALL 141 ACRES. UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF REASONS THAT WE'D LIKE. I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU ALL LEAVE THAT OUT OF A PLAN. I REALIZE HE'S A HARD DECISION TO MAKE. I KNOW MATT WORKED VERY HARD AT IT AND TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING, AND HE DOES DO THE RIGHT THING MOST OF THE TIME. UM, BUT THERE ARE TWO THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP THAT I FELT WERE IMPORTANT. ONE IS THE, IS THE TOPOGRAPHY. IT'S THE VIEW SHED. UM, I DO THINK I KNOW IT PROBABLY BETTER THAN ANYBODY AROUND, UM, FAMILY DOLLAR, ALTHOUGH WE DIDN'T LIKE FAMILY DOLLAR AT THE TIME, FAMILY DOLLAR BECAUSE OF THE FLAT TOPOGRAPHY, DID A NICE JOB OF SCREENING, UH, AT, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY, THEY, THEY, THEY WERE GOOD FOR WARREN COUNTY. WE DIDN'T THINK IT AT THE TIME, BUT THEY WERE GOOD FOR WARREN COUNTY. AND AS YOU DRIVE IN, YOU CAN'T, YOU, YOU GOTTA REALLY LOOK HARD TO EVEN NOTICE FAMILY DOLLAR. THE WAY THAT HONG FARM, THE 141 ACRES SLOPES [03:40:01] DOWN TOWARDS 5 22. I DON'T THINK THERE'S A TREE IN THIS WORLD THAT'S TALL ENOUGH TO SCREEN THAT PLACE. I, I, I WROTE UP THERE TODAY JUST TO MAKE SURE BEFORE I CAME HERE, TO SPEAK TONIGHT. 'CAUSE I WANTED TO BE SURE WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE COMING INTO FRONT ROYAL, THE GATEWAY FROM THE NORTH FRONT ROYAL FROM CLARK AND FREDERICK COUNTY, YOU COME DOWN THE HILL FROM MAX ROLLER RINK AND ALL YOU SEE IS OUR BEAUTIFUL COUNTY. UNLESS WE PUT INDUSTRY THERE. AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA BE LOOKING DOWN ON CONCRETE AND STEEL AND THERE'S NO WAY TO HIDE THAT. THE SECOND THING I WANTED TO BRING UP, AND THIS IS PROBABLY THE ONE I FEEL THE MOST ABOUT, AND MATT MENTIONED IT, I THINK THE AND ROCKLAND COMMUNITY WORKED VERY HARD TO KEEP AN INDUSTRY FROM CROSSING FAIRGROUND ROAD FOR A LONG TIME. WE CONCEDED THE FAMILY DOLLAR BECAUSE YOU PROMISED THAT WAS IT. THAT WAS AS FAR NORTH AS WE GO. I SEE NO REASON TO BREAK THAT PROMISE TODAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. NATHAN EVANS. HI, I'M NATHAN EVANS, 1560 EAST REFUGE CHURCH ROAD. UM, THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE SO LATE AND MATT YAWNING. I THAT'S VERY IMPRESSIVE ALL NIGHT. UM, I FEEL LIKE MARK SPOKE EARLIER AND SAID MANY OF THE SAME THINGS ABOUT HIS TRIP TO WARREN COUNTY. WE CAME FROM CLOSE TO DC UH, FOUR YEARS AGO AND FOUND A, A HOME THAT'S RIGHT ACROSS AND HAS A BEAUTIFUL VIEW OF, UM, OF THAT, THE ACREAGE THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING. UM, AND WE DID THE SAME DILIGENCE THAT HE DID. AND WHEN WE SAW THE, UH, THE PROPERTY GO FOR SALE, WE ALSO WERE, WERE QUITE SHOCKED AT THE, AT THE PRICE. AND, UM, I HAVE TO ADMIT, I, IN MY MIND, I JUMPED TO SOME CONCLUSIONS BECAUSE I'M, I GREW UP IN CHICAGO AND COOK COUNTY AND THINGS WORK FUNKY THERE, RIGHT? AND SO WHEN I SAW THEM ASKING $9 MILLION AND IT WAS A, UH, ASSUMING INDUSTRIAL, I HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS. AND, UM, IT WAS CONCERNING TO ME. AND IT WAS HELPFUL TO, TO BE HERE TONIGHT AND LISTEN TO SOME VERY GOOD DIALOGUE AND TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHERE PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM. AND I JUST WOULD ASK, UH, THAT YOU DO THAT IN OUR SITUATION AS WELL. UM, IT WOULD BE DEVASTATING TO CHANGE THAT AND TO BRING INDUSTRIAL NORTH OF, UH, WHERE IT IS TODAY. SO THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. JUDITH CANTERBURY. HI, JUDITH CANTERBURY 5 62 ASHBY STATION ROAD FRONT ROYAL VIRGINIA. AND MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE BEEN HERE FOR OVER 25 YEARS. I WAS AROUND WHEN YOU GUYS PROMISED TO NOT MOVE ANYTHING INDUSTRIAL PAST FAIRGROUNDS ROAD. NOW, MARK BROUGHT UP A GREAT POINT. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF SUSPICION AROUND ALL THE EVENTS THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE RECENTLY AROUND THAT PROPERTY. THERE'S UNANSWERED QUESTIONS. THERE'S TOO MANY HANGING CHADS OUT THERE FOR US TO FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH ANYTHING MOVING FORWARD. SO ASKING FOR MORE TIME, I DON'T THINK IS UNREASONABLE. AND I DON'T MEAN JUST UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING, I'M TALKING YEARS. WE NEED TO DIG DOWN. WE NEED TO FIND OUT THESE QUESTIONS. EVERYBODY NEEDS TO BE TALKED TO. PAPERWORK HAS TO BE READ. LAWYERS HAVE TO GET INVOLVED IF THEY HAVE TO, BUT WE NEED TIME. THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN TAKE LIGHTLY AND JUST WALK AWAY WITH. AND WE'RE NOT BEING ACCUSATORY. BUT WE HAVE TO ADMIT ONE THING. WARREN COUNTY IS NOT KNOWN FOR BEING ABOVE BOARD WITH CHARACTER AND INTEGRITY. OKAY? WE'VE HAD A HISTORY OF NOT SO GOOD LEADERS, ALL RIGHT? SO THE TRUST LEVEL THAT WE HAVE IS PRETTY LOW. AND SO WE NEED TO FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THIS AND WE NEED TO FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH YOU. BUT ON ANOTHER LEVEL, THERE'S THE INTEGRITY OF THE PROMISES THAT THIS GOVERNMENT MADE. EVERY ONE OF US MADE OUR DECISIONS TO PUT OUR MONEY, OUR FAMILY, AND OUR FUTURE BASED ON THAT PROMISE. THAT WASN'T A PROMISE OF GEE UNTIL WE CHANGE OUR MINDS. THAT WASN'T A PROMISE OF, WELL, IN CASE THE PROPERTY VALUES GO UP, THEN WE MAY NEED TO RE-LOOK AT THIS. NO, IT WAS A [03:45:01] NEVER N-E-V-E-R NEVER PASS FAIRGROUNDS ROAD. NOW, I DON'T WANT YOU GUYS TO BE THE NO NEW TAXES, REPUTATION. LET ME SAVE YOU FROM YOURSELVES. YOU MAY NOT HAVE BEEN THE ONE THAT SAID THE WORD, BUT IT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO KEEP IT. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU WALT MA CHRIST. YOU DON'T EVEN WALK FAST. . THERE'S A LOT OF THAT GOING AROUND THESE DAYS. I KNOW IT IS, ISN'T IT? HI, MY NAME'S WALT MAE. I LIVE AT 2 2 4 MANASSAS AVENUE. I'M NOT A MEMBER OF ROCKLAND COMMUNITY, BUT I GO THERE QUITE OFTEN. I'M NOT HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE THE ROCKS. I'M NOT HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE VIEW SHEDS. I'M NOT HERE TO TALK ABOUT SO MANY THINGS THAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY SAID MORE THAN ENOUGH ON. WHEN I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT IS BROCCOLI. ROCKLAND TO ME IS A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN GO. YOU CAN GO AND YOU CAN LISTEN TO THE WIND FLOWING THROUGH THE WHEAT FIELDS AND THE CORN FIELDS. AND YOU CAN DRIVE AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU CAN VISIT PEOPLE. THEY'RE NICE TO YOU. I GOT TO KNOW THEM YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. I GOT TO LIKE THEM. I STARTED VISITING THEM WHEN THEY HAD THEIR MEETINGS. AND HERE I AM AFTER THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS STILL GOING TO THEIR MEETINGS. 'CAUSE I WANT TO HEAR WHAT'S GOING ON IN ROCKLAND. AND IT'S NOT GOOD. YOU'VE GOT 141 ACRES THAT COULD GO COMMERCIAL. IT'S ALREADY, IT'S ALREADY, UH, LISTED AS COMMERCIAL FOR SALE. $9.1 MILLION. THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY. , THERE'S GOTTA BE A REASON FOR THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT REASON IS. AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW IS, IS THERE AN APPLICATION THAT'S IN ON IT? PROBABLY, PROBABLY NOT. I DON'T KNOW. I, BUT IF YOU TURN IT INTO A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND YOU TAKE AWAY THE LIKELIHOOD OF PEOPLE LIKE ME AND LOTS OF OTHER PEOPLE LIKE ME THAT WILL GO AND EAT LUNCH OR HAVE, UM, A FUNDRAISING EVENT AT THE GOLF COURSE AND, AND ENJOY THE VISIT AND THE VIEW AND PLAY GOLF. I DON'T PLAY GOLF. HECK, I CAN HARDLY WALK ANYMORE. BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO ME TO BE ABLE TO GO VISIT THESE PLACES AND VISIT THEM IS WHAT I DO. AND I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE. DON'T TAKE IT AWAY. LEAVE IT AGRICULTURAL. YOU, YOU CHIP AWAY EVERY TIME THAT YOU GIVE SOMETHING AWAY. AND IF YOU CHIP AWAY THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY, YOU'RE OPENING UP A DOOR TO GIVE AWAY MORE, DON'T DO IT. I RECOMMEND LEAVING IT AS AGRICULTURAL TODAY, TOMORROW, AND IN THE FUTURE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AUDREY YON ARD. GOOD EVENING. OR MAYBE I SHOULD SAY IN ABOUT 50 MINUTES. GOOD MORNING, . WE WE NEED YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, MR. , US OLD TIMERS. THIS IS PAST MY BEDTIME . ANYWAY, UM, MY NAME IS A ARD AND I LIVE AT 10 42 DALE ROAD IN WARREN COUNTY. THE ROCKLAND COMMUNITY JUST WENT THROUGH A COMPREHENSIVE AND FU AND FUTURE PLANNING PROCESS. I BELIEVE YOU ALL HAVE RECEIVED A COPY [03:50:01] OF THE FUTURE PLANNING REPORT. ONE MAIN PRIOR, I'M SORRY, CAN'T READ MY WRITING. UH, ONE MAIN PRIORITY DETERMINED BY THE COMMUNITY IS TO PROTECT THE AGRICULTURAL LAND AND CHARACTER OF THE AREA. THE PARCEL NORTH OF THE FAMILY DOLLAR DISTRIBUTION CENTER IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL AND SHOULD REMAIN. SO AS YOU KNOW, THE WARREN COUNTY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SLOGAN STATES WHERE HISTORY, NATURE, AND FAMILY COME TOGETHER. WE LOVE, I MEAN, WE LOSE VALUABLE AGRICULTURAL LAND WITH EACH DECISION TO REONE IT. I BELIEVE THERE ARE MANY OTHER EXISTING AND BETTER LOCATIONS ALREADY ZONED FOR INDUSTRIAL USE. I WAS TRYING TO OBTAIN THE EXACT AMOUNT OF ACREAGE THAT IS ALREADY AVAILABLE AND ZONED INDUSTRIAL. I HAVE RECEIVED NUMBERS RANGING FROM 800 TO 1600 ACRES. I WOULD LIKE TO, IF YOU AT SOME POINT CAN SHARE WITH THE COMMUNITY EXACTLY HOW MANY ACREAGE IS ZONED INDUSTRIAL AND AWAITING DEVELOPMENT IN THE FUTURE, LET'S PROTECT THIS PARCEL AND KEEP IT ZONED AGRICULTURAL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. CHRIS ANDERSON. GOOD EVENING. I'M CHRIS ANDERSON. I'M WITH THE ALLIANCE FOR THE SHENANDOAH VALLEY. UH, WE'RE AT, UH, WE'RE A NEW MARKET AT, UH, 9 4 85 SOUTH CONGRESS STREET. THE MISSION OF THE ALLIANCE FOR THE SHENANDOAH VALLEY IS TO INFORM AND ENGAGE PEOPLE TO PROTECT THE NATURAL RESOURCES, CULTURAL HERITAGES AND RURAL CHARACTER OF OUR REGION. THANK YOU ALL FOR THE HARD WORK ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. ALL IN ALL, IT DOES A GOOD JOB OF ENCOMPASSING THE VISION OF THE COMMUNITY FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS. HOWEVER, UPON CONSIDERING ALL OF THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE BELIEVE THERE ARE TWO ISSUES THAT STILL NEED TO BE CONSIDERED, UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE. NUMBER ONE IS REMOVE REFERENCES TO DETACHED ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS IN AGLAND. INSTEAD, ALLOW ATTACHED DWELLING UNITS TO HAVE A COMPLETE KITCHEN. THIS WOULD ALLOW MORE HOUSING OPTIONS IN EXISTING STRUCTURES AS BASEMENT OR GARAGE APARTMENTS, OR AN ADDITION TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, BUT STILL CONNECTED VIA A BREEZEWAY OR SIMILAR STRUCTURE. AND THIS WOULD HELP PROTECT THE RURAL CHARACTER BY NOT ALLOWING, UH, A SEPARATE HOUSE ON THE SAME PARCEL AS THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE. IT ALSO MEANS THAT ATTACHED ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS WOULD LIKELY BE A MORE AFFORDABLE RENTAL OPTION THAN A COMPLETELY SEPARATE DWELLING WITH ITS OWN WELL AND SEPTIC. NUMBER TWO, LEAVE THE PARCEL NORTH OF THE FAMILY DOLLAR DISTRIBUTION CENTER AS AG ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. THE ALLIANCE HAD THE PLEASURE OF WORKING WITH THE ROCKLAND COMMUNITY, AND WE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR THAT PROTECTING THE RURAL CHARACTER OF THE AREA IS OF PRIME IMPORTANCE. THE PARCEL IN QUESTION BORDERS, THE ROCKLAND RURAL HISTORIC DISTRICT AND AG LAND TO THE NORTH AND EAST. THE PLANT REZONE THE PARCEL TO INDUSTRIAL GOES AGAINST OTHER SECTIONS OF THE COMP PLAN. UM, FOR INSTANCE, WHICH STATES MANAGED GROWTH WILL REDUCE DEVELOPMENT PRESSURES ON NATURAL SYSTEMS SUCH AS RIVERS, STREAMS, WETLANDS, AND AGRICULTURAL LANDS. IN ADDITION, GUIDED GROWTH WILL HELP MAINTAIN AN IMPORTANT AND DESIRED DISTINCTION BETWEEN RURAL, RESIDENTIAL AND INDUSTRIAL SLASH COMMERCIAL GROWTH AREAS OF THE COUNTY. ALSO, THE COMP PLAN HAS A STATED GOAL TO PRESERVE THE COUNTY'S RURAL CHARACTER BY PRESERVING OPEN SPACE AS WELL AS AGRICULTURAL AND FORESTAL LANDS. SO PLEASE LEAVE THIS PARCEL AS AGRICULTURE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. [03:55:01] DAVID MCGEE. OKAY, RAYMOND HEFLIN. GOOD EVENING. RAYMOND HEFLIN, 6 2 8 HEADQUARTER LANE FRONT ROYAL VIRGINIA. UM, I'M HERE, UH, SPECIFICALLY TO SPEAK ABOUT OUR LAND, UM, TAX MAP 4 41 AND 12 DASH SIX AND UH, 12 DASH NINE. SO WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 450 ACRES. THAT WAS, UM, AND IS, UH, AS THEY MENTIONED, A PENDING APPLICATION. BUT I'M PERPLEXED HOW, UM, THESE OPTIONS CAME ABOUT. UH, REMOVING THAT COMPLETELY FROM INDUSTRIAL AND FUTURE INDUSTRIAL. UM, TRADING OFF, YOU KNOW, 150 ACRES ADDITIONALLY NORTH AND JUST, UM, THE TOTAL MANIPULATION OF, OF THE EXISTING COMP PLAN. I'M JUST GOING TO NOT REALLY SURE HOW THAT HAPPENED. UM, HOW COULD THE 441 ACRES THAT'S IN THE COMPETENCE INDUSTRIAL THEN WITH THE PLANNING HAT BECOME TOTALLY RESIDENTIAL. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, MY, UM, MESSAGE TO YOU IS TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP THE PLAN THE WAY IT WAS, KEEP OUR LAND. UM, AND THE COMP PLAN IS INDUSTRIAL, UM, WITH NO CHANGES. I MEAN, WE HAVE PENDING APPLICATION, WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THE COMMISSION, UNANIMOUS TO THE BOARD AND OUR, OUR APPLICATIONS PENDING WITH THE BOARD. SO THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. WAYNE CHATFIELD. TAYLOR, YOU WENT HOME. HE'S DOING THEN THAT IS THE END OF MY LIST. OKAY. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK? IT WASN'T ON THE LIST LAST CALL. THIS PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. WELL, I, I'D INDICATED AT THE END OF THE LAST MEETING, UH, THAT I WAS IN, SUPPORTIVE OF THE WAY IT WAS BEFORE, WHICH WOULD BE OPTION THREE. MM-HMM . UH, KIND OF BEEN AN ADVOCATE FOR THAT FOR A WHILE. UH, THE PROPERTY NORTH OF FAMILY DOLLAR, UH, IS CURRENTLY IN AG. UH, WHEN I, WHEN I WAS AT ONE OF THE PLANNING CA CLASSES THERE, THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A COURT CASE THEY WERE USING FOR AN EXAMPLE IN CLASS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS PROBABLY GONNA BE DEVELOPED ONE OF THESE DAYS. BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE ALL THIS, YOU KNOW, WATER AND SEWER AND THINGS IN PLACE. SO IT WAS DENIED AND IT WENT TO COURT. AND THE REASON FOR DENIAL WAS NOT, NOW, IT'S NOT TIME. ALL I WOULD SAY FOR THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY, 40, 50 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'D BE ALL, BUT, BUT I, I WOULD AGREE THAT, THAT THIS IS A NOT NOW SITUATION. YOU KNOW, ONCE, ONCE THE OTHER STUFF, YOU KNOW, WE'LL KNOW A LOT IN FIVE YEARS WITH SOME OF THE STUFF THAT'S GOING ON, HOW IT'S GOING TO AFFECT OUR COMMUNITY. AND THEN, UH, THE PIECE THAT'S UNDER APPLICATION, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST KIND OF ALWAYS BEEN THERE. SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I WAS KIND OF COUNTING ON. I, I'M BIG INTO DEVELOPMENT, UH, TAX BASE. I LIKE COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL. UH, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH, UH, DEVELOPED YET, BUT I, I THINK AT SOME POINT WE'LL GET THERE. I WISH WE WERE, UH, UM, WE DON'T HAVE THE LANDMASS THAT FREDERICK COUNTY WAS BLESSED WITH. SO WE DON'T HAVE THIS, HAVE THAT. BUT THAT, UH, THAT THAT'S WHAT WE NEED FOR TAX BASED. UH, TYPICALLY RESIDENTIAL HOUSES CREATE TAX BURDEN 'CAUSE OF SCHOOL LOAD AND OTHER THINGS IN THE PLAN. THREE, THE, UH, LITTLE PIECE AT THE BOTTOM LEFT CORNER WHERE THE GUY WANTS TO TAKE THOSE COUPLE PARCELS OUT OF COMMERCIAL. UH, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THAT. UH, IF, IF HE'S NOT GETTING ANY BITES, IT'S NOT MARKETABLE, MAYBE AT THIS TIME, UH, IF YOU PUT IT BACK INTO AG, AG, KIND OF OUR DEFAULT ZONING, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S NOT INDUSTRIAL, COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL OR SOMETHING ELSE, IT'S JUST KIND OF AG. UH, SO IF HE WANTS TO PUT IT BACK TO A DEFAULT, UH, HE ENDS UP DOING THE SUBDIVISION OR SOMETHING LATER. UH, LITTLE BIT OF A MISSED OPPORTUNITY. UM, THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, UM, ABOUT DEVELOPMENT, THAT THAT IS KIND OF, OH, AFTER I DID SOME RESEARCH ON THEIR APPLICATION AND THEN HEARING ABOUT THIS, AND I ACTUALLY TALKED TO ANOTHER DEVELOPER. I WON'T MENTION HIS NAME. I WAS GOING TO, BUT I, [04:00:01] I DIDN'T ASK HIM SO I WON'T MENTION HIS NAME, BUT, OH, HE'S DID A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT, MOSTLY RESIDENTIAL IN THE COUNTY. OH, THIS, THIS BLANKET ZONING. THESE PEOPLE SHOULDN'T INCUR THE TAXES AND THE FED PIECE DOWN IN THE BOTTOM CORNER. FIFTH PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PAYING COMMERCIAL TAXES. THAT'S JUST RIDICULOUS. YOU, YOU, IF YOU, IF YOU, ON A RESIDENTIAL SIDE, IF YOU BUY AN UNAPPROVED LOT IN THE COUNTY, YOU PAY UNAPPROVED TAXES UNTIL YOU RECEIVE A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. THAT'S THE HOUSE THAT'S DONE AND YOU'RE MOVED IN. OH, YOU SHOULDN'T PAY. YOU KNOW, OF COURSE IF THE HOUSE BURNS DOWN, THE LOT'S STILL WORTH MORE. 'CAUSE THE WELL ON SEP IT'S BEEN DEVELOPED, OH, TO COME IN AND DO A BLANKET ZONING OR THIS PEOPLE HERE, IT'S HOW IT'S ACTUALLY USED. WHEN I ALSO TALKED TO THE DEVELOPER, I ASKED, OH, MY FRIEND, AND HE'S PRETTY KNOWLEDGEABLE. I DIDN'T DOUBLE CHECK HIS RESEARCH, BUT I ASKED, HE ASKED ME, HE SAID, DO YOU KNOW HOW LAND, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING IS PUT INTO LAND USE FOR A TAX BREAK? HOW THAT THAT RATE IS DETERMINED. I JUST ASSUMED IT WAS A PERCENTAGE OF WHAT IT'S ASSESSED VALUE OF. IT IS NOT, UH, IT IS ACTUALLY DETERMINED FROM SOMETHING VIRGINIA TECH PUTS OUT. WHAT'S THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY WORTH PRODUCING? YOU KNOW, IS IT CORN, IS IT PASTURE, IS IT, YOU KNOW, A PIECE OF JUNK LIKE IT IS ON THE OUTSIDE OF FAMILY DOLLAR? I DOUBT THAT'S, I DOUBT THAT'S GONNA, UH, APPRAISE MUCH. BUT TO COME IN AND DO A BLANKET REZONING AND THEY'RE STILL MAKING HAY ON THAT, LET 'EM USE THEIR AGRICULTURE EXEMPTION. IF YOU FORCE THEM TO PUT THAT AT COMMERCIAL TAXES. WHEN WE DO THE REZONING, IF IT, THAT'S PARTLY, IF I THINK WHY IT'S TABLED ACCORDING TO MY RESEARCH, OH, YOU'LL FORCE THAT DEVELOPER TO DEVELOP THAT THING EVERY NIGHT. HE'S GOTTA GET WHOEVER WILL COME IN HERE, WHETHER THEY'RE A GOOD FIT FOR WARREN COUNTY OR NOT. BUT IF YOU PUT THAT IN AS A BLANKET REZONING, EVERY SET OF SITE PLANS GOTTA COME BACK HERE FOR REVIEW ANYWAY. WE COULD DETERMINE IT. YOU KNOW, THERE SOMEBODY, I HATE TO USE THIS DIRTY WORD, BUT DATA CENTER. OH, THAT'S NOT A, THAT'S NOT EVEN A BUY RIGHT. INDUSTRIAL. AND REGARDLESS, IT'S STILL GOTTA COME BACK IN. OH, I'M HOPING THE BOARD AND THE TAX PEOPLE WILL CORRECT. CORRECT THIS MISTAKE. I THINK IT'S A, AN AN UNNECESSARY HARDSHIP. AND FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, IT HURTS OUR GROWTH. IT'S EITHER ALL OR NOTHING. SO IF WE, IF THEY GET, IF THEY, IN OTHER WORDS, SAY THEY PROCEEDED WITH THEIR APPLICATION AND IT WAS VOTED TO PROVE THEY'D HAVE, YOU KNOW, THEY HADN'T PULLED A PERMIT, YOU SAID IT TOOK TWO YEARS. SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT ARE APPROVED ARE TWO YEARS AND THEY DON'T HAVE A, THE FIRST BUCKET OF CONCRETE IN THE GROUND. COULD YOU IMAGINE PAYING THAT KIND OF THE POCKETS YOU'VE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE AND HOW UN HOW UN BUSINESS FRIENDLY AND HOW UNDEVELOPED OR FRIENDLY THAT IS? I MEAN IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST A PUNISHMENT ALL TO, TO TRY TO DEVELOP SOMETHING. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A GREEDY THING OR WHAT. LET 'EM GET IT LISTED AS EACH, IT'S BROKE UP INTO SECTION, YOU KNOW, LET'S MAKE SURE IT'S A GOOD FIT. LET'S LOOK AT EACH ONE OF 'EM AGAIN. BUT THEY NEED A BLANKET REZONING LEFT WITH THE AG TAXES SO IT CAN BE MARKETED SLOWLY. NOT, NOT IN A FORCED THING. I, I THINK IT'S A TERRIBLE MISTAKE. OF COURSE, THAT'S A LITTLE BEYOND PLANNING. OH. BUT, UH, MOVING FORWARD, I, I MAY TRY TO MOVE UP TO, UH, BOARD LEVEL. SO I'VE, I'VE TAKEN SOME INTEREST IN IT, BUT JUST EVEN AS A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, UH, WE NEED THAT LAND FOR OUR TAX BASE AND, AND THAT IN, IN OUR LONG TERM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT'S IN THERE FOR THAT REASON. AND THEN AT THE SAME TIME, OUR OWN RULES HAVE GOT A STRONG ARM AND, AND NOT GET EITHER GOTTA, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE A POOR DEVELOPMENT IF IT'S RUSHED AND, AND THEY, THEY'RE PUT UNDER THAT CONSTRAINT. BUT, UH, AS LATER IT IS. I'VE TALKED WAY TOO LONG, BUT, UH, I'M, I'M IN SUPPORT OF OPTION THREE. AND, UH, AND THE ONLY, I GUESS I'M ASSUMING THE ONLY DIFFERENCE FROM OUR CURRENT PLAN IN THIS AREA TO OPTION THREE IS THAT BOTTOM LEFT CORNER WHERE THEY WANNA PUT THOSE COUPLE SECTIONS BACK IN THE AG. THAT'S CORRECT. AND IT, AND IT IS JUST ONE PARCEL THAT HE'S, HE'S REQUESTING AS PART OF THAT JUST ONE LOT, JUST ONE OF HIS PARCELS THAT'S ADJACENT TO THOSE. SO, UM, KELLY, IS THERE NOT ANY, WE SHOULD ADD THE, UM, AND THEN, UH, YEAH, SCENARIO LLC, THAT'S A CAT LIT MOUNTAIN PROPERTY THAT'S CURRENTLY AGRICULTURAL. IT, UM, IT'S ADJACENT TO THE OLD, UH, LANDFILL AND ADJACENT TO RIVER LOTS. UM, THAT IT, AND THE RURAL RESIDENTIAL ALLOWS FOR, UM, BASICALLY IT'S THE SAME AS AGRICULTURAL AS FAR AS LOT SIZE FOR TWO ACRES. BUT IT HAS A HIGHER, UH, BUILDING DENSITY REQUIREMENT WITH A REQUIREMENT FOR OPEN SPACE AS PART OF THAT, AS PART OF A SUBDIVISION. SO THAT PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, IT, IT HAS ITS CHALLENGES. IT'S A LOT OF STEEP SLOPE, LOT OF, LOT OF DRAINAGE S SWES, THAT KIND OF THING. UM, THE RURAL RESIDENTIAL [04:05:01] IS NOT GONNA ALLOW FOR, I MEAN IT JUST DOESN'T ALLOW FOR LARGE SCALE FARMING OR AGRICULTURAL, BUT IT DOES ALLOW FOR SMALL SCALE IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A, A COUPLE LIVESTOCK AND THAT KIND OF STUFF. I'M VERY, VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT. I'M VERY CLOSER, VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT PROPERTY. VERY FAMILIAR. YEAH. OH, AS KIDS WOULD GROW THREE WHEELERS ALL OVER IT. I'VE BEEN OVER EVERY INCH OF THAT. PROBABLY CLOSE TO 200 ACRES THERE. IT'S VERY STEEP, VERY ROUGH. THERE'S A COUPLE BIG POWER LINE RIGHT AWAY THROUGH IT. UH, OBVIOUSLY WOULDN'T LEND ITSELF TO COMMERCIAL 'CAUSE IT'S NO INTERSTATE ACCESS, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT ACCESSIBLE THAT WAY. UH, IT'S NOT GONNA BE FARMLAND 'CAUSE OF ITS TOPOGRAPHY. UH, ESPECIALLY WITH THOSE, SOME OF THOSE BIG RIGHT OF WAYS AND STUFF THAT CUT THROUGH IT. SO, UH, YOU KNOW, A RURAL RESIDENTIAL, YOU KNOW, IT'S, I IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A R ONE, I DON'T THINK. I THINK THE DISC WOULD BE TOO HIGH FOR OUR, NO, IT'S, IT'S TWO ACRE MINIMUM LOT SIZE. UH, REALLY KIND OF THE BIG THING ABOUT TOO IS THAT THERE'S A LOT LESS USES THAT YOU WOULD HAVE THAT YOU COULD DO IN THAT BECAUSE IT IS RESIDENTIAL THAN YOU COULD DO IN AGRICULTURAL. SO WITH THE GROWTH OF THAT AREA, THERE IS SOME ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL AREAS THAT YOU COULD SEE IN YELLOW AND SOME, SOME NEW DEVELOPMENT THERE. SO, UH, AND THERE'S VERY LIMITED, UH, ACCESS, LIKE ROAD FRONTAGE ACCESS. SO ALMOST NONE THAT I KNOW OF. IT'S GOTTA BE A RIGHT OF WAY SOMEWHERE. BUT THERE'S A, THERE'S A PIPE STEM I THINK THAT ALLOWS YOU TO ACCESS THE PROPERTY. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD PEOPLE INQUIRE ABOUT DOING CLUSTER SUBDIVISIONS FOR THAT. UM, RIGHT NOW IT'S, IT'S ABOUT 200 ACRE LOT. THEY COULD DO 20 ACRE EXEMPT LOTS, UH, WITH PRIVATE ACCESS EASEMENTS, WHICH IS REALLY ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE LIMITED TO AT THIS POINT IN TIME. I, I COULD I, YOU KNOW, IF WE, IF UH, THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY WAS DONE A LITTLE MORE DENSE, IT, IT MAY WOULD, I AIN'T GONNA CALL IT AFFORDABLE HOUSING BY ANY MEANS. YEAH. 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK ANYTHING'S AFFORDABLE THESE DAYS, BUT, UH, UH, THE TYPE OF HOUSE THAT YOU HAVE TO BUILD TO JUSTIFY A 20 ACRE LOT, UH, IS NOT REAL COHESIVE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 'CAUSE I LIVE NEAR THAT AND, UH, IT, IT'S PROBABLY THE BEST OPPORTUNITY FOR MAYBE LOCALS IN MY AREA TO POTENTIALLY END UP WITH, BE ABLE TO STAY, UH, BY HAVING NOT HIGH DENSITY, BUT A, I'M GONNA CALL THAT A, A MEDIUM DENSITY, I GUESS WOULD BE FAIR. IT, IT FITS WITH THE RURAL CHARACTER OF THE AREA, BUT IT ALSO, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S A RESIDENTIAL, IT'S NOT, UH, R ONE, R TWO OR, OR SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL, WHICH ARE MUCH HIGHER DENSITY. SO I'M GOOD WITH THAT TOO. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS IN THERE. I DIDN'T CATCH THAT, BUT THAT'S FINE. YEAH. THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY OTHER, YEAH. I'M BEING THE OLD FOSSIL THAT I'M STEADILY BECOMING AND GLAD TO BE DOING IT. I CAN REMEMBER WHEN A GUY NAMED JAMES MCMAN WAS CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS YEARS AGO, AND HE USUALLY TELL PEOPLE IN ONE OF THE LARGE PUBLIC HEARING, IF SOMEONE HAS MADE YOUR POINT, YOU DON'T NEED TO COME UP HERE AND MAKE THE SAME POINT AGAIN. JUST SAY YOU AGREE WITH THEM. WITH THAT IN MIND, I AGREE WITH MR. HEND. , UH, I I ALSO AGREE WITH OPTION THREE, I GUESS ON THE CROOKED RUN PARCEL THOUGH. SO THE OTHER PIECES THAT ARE CURRENTLY ZONED COMMERCIAL ARE GONNA STAY COMMERCIAL. UH, THE CROOKED RUN. YES. YES. THE OTHER, THERE, THERE ARE ACTUALLY THREE OTHER PARCELS THAT ARE, ARE COMMERCIAL, AND THEN THE OWNER CURRENTLY OWNS TWO OTHER PARCELS THAT ARE EXISTING AGRICULTURAL. AND SO, UM, HE HAS SOME THOUGHTS ABOUT SOME RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, POSSIBLY A CLUSTER, POSSIBLY, UM, EXEMPT. YOU KNOW, HE JUST KIND OF WANTS TO TRY AND GET SOME KIND OF DEVELOPMENT SO HE CAN GET A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY BACK OUT OF THE, THE LAND THAT HE'S BEEN PAYING TAXES AND EVERYTHING AT ONCE. SO. OKAY. YEAH. I I JUST, I, I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO LOSE I, OR I DON'T THINK WE'D WANT TO MOVE AWAY FROM ALL OF THE COMMERCIAL THAT IS ZONED DOWN THERE BECAUSE THIS, THIS ONE IS LIKE, I THINK KIND OF LIKE ALMOST RIGHT UNDER THE POWER LINES. AND, UM, THE OTHER TWO HAVE PORTIONS IN THE SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA, BUT NOT A SIGNIFICANT PORTION. YOU KNOW, THERE'S ENOUGH THAT YOU COULD BUILD, BUT, UM, THAT WAS THE PROPERTY. THOSE WERE THE PROPERTIES THAT, UM, WHEN CROOKED RUN WEST CAME THROUGH, THEY WERE PROPOSING TO BUILD THE BRIDGE TO THAT. THAT'S WHEN BDO HAD SOME MONEY. RIGHT. NOW THAT'S, THAT'S OFF THE TABLE, RIGHT? RIGHT. MM-HMM . I, I ALSO SUPPORT, UM, LAND OPTION THREE. THE, UH, GIVEN WHAT I FOUND OUT TONIGHT, AND I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO RESEARCH IT, I FOUND OUT LATE THIS AFTERNOON ABOUT THE PROPERTY, UH, NORTH OF FAMILY DOLLAR BEING FOR SALE. SO [04:10:01] I HAVE NOT GONE ON, UH, LOOPED IN, WHICH IS A FREE COMMERCIAL SITE THAT ANYBODY CAN USE TO SEE WHAT COMMERCIAL IT, IT'S ON JUST IT'S ON ZILLOW. IT'S NOT ON LOOPNET. OH, THEY DIDN'T EVEN DO THAT. OKAY. ANYWAY, I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH, UH, WITH US CHANGING THAT TO INDUSTRIAL BECAUSE SOMEONE'S FI SELLING THEIR PROPERTY AND TRYING TO MAKE IT INDUSTRIAL, UH, 141 ACRES AT $9.1 MILLION, I DON'T KNOW, DO WE HAVE OIL IN THIS COUNTY? THAT'S THE ONLY WAY YOU'RE GONNA MAKE MONEY ON THAT, THAT PROPERTY. I THINK SOMEBODY'S JUST FISH IN THERE. THE, UH, SOMEBODY'S RIGHT. BUT WHAT I DON'T LIKE IS THAT THE CA THAT IF WE CHANGE THIS ZONING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE ZONING, WE'RE CHANGING THE FUTURE PLAN. SO WE, WE KEEP SAYING WE'RE CHANGING THE ZONING, WE'RE NOT CHANGING JUST THE PLAN. WE'RE JUST, IT'S JUST THE PLAN THAT THIS IS WHAT MIGHT GO TO, TO THE FUTURE. I SAY HE LET THE NEW OWNER DECIDE WHAT HE WANTS TO DO THERE, THEN GO THROUGH THE ZONING TO GET IT, TO GET IT CHANGED TO WHAT HE WANTS TO DO. WHY MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE CURRENT LANDOWNER TO SELL IT AT SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T WANT? AND WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THERE'S, UH, THERE'LL BE WATER AVAILABLE FOR 'EM. I JUST, THE WHOLE WHOLE THING STARTS, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT DOING ANY RESEARCH, STARTING TO KIND OF, I, I, I DON'T, THAT'S A MY CONCERN TOO. I DON'T KNOW IF THE TOWN HAS ADEQUATE WATER AND SEWER. WELL, I, THEY PUT US ON RESTRICTIONS THIS SUMMER. THE LONG TERM THING OF THAT, I DON'T THINK IT'S ANYTHING UNDERHANDED. I THINK THEY GOT, THEY LOOKED AT THE MAP, IT'S TOUCHING COMMERCIAL AND ZONING AND YOU CAN KIND OF THINK YOU CAN EXPAND THAT AS FAR OF WATER AND SEWER. IT'S NOT THERE. OH, I MENTIONED LONG TERM THAT THE TOWN AT SOME POINT HAS GOT A STRONG ARM FOR WATER AND SEWER AND THIS, UH, SOME OF THOSE OFF HALF CREEK ROAD IS SOME OF THOSE HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENTS. THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ENOUGH WATER. I THINK THE COUNTY SHOULD HAVE WENT IN THE WATER SEWER BUSINESS FOR THIS AREA A LONG TIME AGO. MM-HMM . AND THEN YOU WOULDN'T BE ASKING PERMISSION FROM THEM TO DEVELOP COUNTY PROPERTY AT ALL. IT HAS BEEN A CHALLENGE. IT, IT HAS BEEN A CHALLENGE BECAUSE, UM, KIND OF THEIR RULES HAVE KIND OF CHANGED A LITTLE BIT. AND NOW WE'RE HAVING TO GO BACK THROUGH OUR BOARD TO REQUEST THEIR TOWN COUNCIL SPEC, YOU KNOW, FOR THESE SPECIFIC PROPERTIES. FOR INDUSTRIAL USES, WE HAVE A PILOT AGREEMENT THAT IS, IS FOR COMMERCIAL ZONING AND THAT THAT BASICALLY IS DONE AFTER EVERYTHING IS COMPLETED. AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING IS THERE AND, AND THE PROPERTY OWNER THEN GOES AHEAD AND, AND DOES THAT PAPERWORK WITH THE, THE TOWN BEFORE WE ISSUE A CERTIFICATE OF ZONING. BUT THE INDUSTRIAL, IT HAS BEEN A CHALLENGE. AND AGAIN, UM, YOU KNOW, WE LEARNED FROM THESE THINGS AND I'VE CERTAINLY LEARNED, SO, UH, I APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT AND, UH, BOARD'S INPUT AND THE, AND THE COMMUNITY'S INPUT. SO ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UH, NO, JUST TO SHARE, I, I AGREE WITH OPTION THREE AS WELL. DON'T NEED TO SAY WHY WE ALREADY DISCUSSED IT. UM, THAT BEING SAID TOO, UM, I DO WANNA JUST TALK ABOUT THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT AND THAT AS A, AS A CONVERSATION. I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE WANTED TO TALK MORE ABOUT THAT. SURE. BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THAT WAS A COMMENT BROUGHT UP THIS EVENING. UM, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH POSSIBLY REWORDING IT IN A WAY WHERE IF IT'S A, YOU KNOW, A ADD-ON ADDITION BREEZEWAY, IF IT'S A GARAGE CONVERTED, YOU KNOW, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT. I, I'M, I'M FOR THE IDEA, IF YOU OWN A HOME, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO, YOU KNOW, DO, UM, IN IT. THE, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE THREE AND A HALF ACRE, UH, THREE AND A HALF ACREAGE. UM, NOT BIG ENOUGH OR TOO, TOO BIG. UH, I THINK IT'S NOT BIG ENOUGH. UH, ONLY BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO SEE, BEFORE WE SAY DO THIS OR TALK ABOUT THIS, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT OTHER COUNTIES HAVE IMPLEMENTED THIS. UM, AND WHAT IS THE RATE OF GROWTH? UM, BECAUSE WHAT THIS COULD OPEN UP POTENTIALLY IS A LOT. UM, AND ESPECIALLY IF SOMEBODY IS BUILDING A HOUSE ON THEIR PROPERTY, UM, MOST OTHER STATES AND, AND OTHER LOCATIONS, A LOT OF THE ACCESSORY HOUSES ARE, YOU KNOW, TURNED INTO AIRBNBS. UM, BUT IF WE'RE NOT ALLOWING THAT, SO WHAT IS IT? YOU KNOW, ARE THEY GONNA RENT IT? FAMILY MEMBERS, WHICH I, I DON'T, AGAIN, DISAGREE WITH. UM, BUT WHAT COULD THAT CAUSE ON OUR WATER SYSTEM, [04:15:01] UH, ON OUR WELLS, ESPECIALLY IN THE RURAL AGRICULTURE AREA. UM, AND THEN ALSO FOR LIKE THE SCHOOL SYSTEMS, UH, FOR THAT MINDSET. SO JUST TO BRING THAT UP, THAT'S SOMETHING I WANNA SAY. I, I'VE GOTTEN, I DIDN'T GET MUCH COMMENT ON THAT UNTIL THE LAST DAY OR TWO. MM-HMM . AND, UH, TO BE HONEST, I DIDN'T, I PUSHED TOO MUCH SNOW THAT I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO REALLY REACT ON THAT ALL. BUT BEING SHE BROUGHT IT UP, ALL MY BIGGER CONCERN WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF RULES IN PLACE ON A SECOND HOUSE ON THE SAME PROPERTY. UH, AND THAT'S GOOD WHILE THESE OWNERS ARE ALIVE, BUT 20, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE PASS AWAY, INHERIT STUFF OR LOSE IT OR SELL IT, OR, HEY, I'M MOVING TO FLORIDA. OH, I'D BE MORE CONCERNED AT HOW MARKETABLE THAT PROPERTY IS. YOU KNOW, ARE WE GONNA HAVE TO GO BACK AND, UH, COME UP WITH SOME WAY TO SPLIT THESE LOTS? MM-HMM. SO THE HOUSES CAN BE SOLD SEPARATELY. YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE, UH, I, I, I ORIGINALLY LOVE THE IDEA OF IT 'CAUSE IT WOULD, UH, BACK TO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, YOU KNOW, UH, IF I HADN'T HAD A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT I COULD HAVE FAMILY SUBDIVIDED TO GOT MY SON A LOT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE'D HAVE DONE TO AFFORD, YOU KNOW, A HOUSE IN, IN OUR COMMUNITY. SO HE'D HAVE, YOU KNOW, HE MIGHT HAVE HAD TO MOVED UP THE VALLEY WHERE THINGS WERE LESS EXPENSIVE AND, OR WITH MY GRANDKIDS AND , ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. SO I, I WAS, UH, IT SOUNDED LIKE A WONDERFUL IDEA FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO PUT, YOU KNOW, EITHER ELDERLY OR YOUNGER FAMILY MEMBERS, GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET IN AT AN AFFORDABLE LEVEL. BUT THEN ONCE A GENERATION HAS CYCLED THROUGH, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THESE PROPERTIES ARE GONNA LOOK LIKE OR, OR HOW TO, UH, HOW TO WORK 'EM LATER. YOU KNOW, EVEN IF YOU GOT ENOUGH ACREAGE AND YOU KNOW, LIKE IN MY AREA, WATER'S NOT AN ISSUE TO OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTY. IT IS. SO, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SCARED OF RUNNING OUTTA WATER AND I THINK HEALTH DEPARTMENT CAN DO A GOOD JOB WITH THE SEPTIC. SO I'M NOT SO MUCH CONCERNED ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, ALTHOUGH IT'S A VALID, A VALID CONCERN IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTY. I, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DO. YOU KNOW, IF WE GET, GRANTED, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE 500 OF THEM IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. I DON'T THINK IT'LL MOVE THAT FAST. BUT, UH, WE SET OF PRECEDENTS UP, WE START BUILDING TWO HOUSES ON THE SAME LOT DOWN TO THREE AND A HALF ACRES, AND THEN 10, 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, THESE PEOPLE SELL AND MOVE, PASS AWAY OR WHATEVER. THEN WHAT, WHAT KIND OF PROPERTY IS IT THEN THAT SOMEBODY AND YOU, AND YOU'VE ALREADY PUT A RULE IN IT, YOU CAN'T AIRBNB IT. I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THAT'D BE FAIR OR NOT. RIGHT. AND THEN THAT'S THE OTHER PART TOO, BECAUSE MOST, MOST PLACES WHERE I, WHEN I TRAVEL, WHEN I STAY AT AN AIRBNB, IT'S TRADITIONALLY ON SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY. YOU KNOW, IT'S, THEIR HOUSE IS THERE, THEY HAVE A LITTLE HOUSE THAT THEY AIRBNB. I STAY THERE. IT'S BEEN GREAT, YOU KNOW, UM, IF I'M THE ONE MAKING THE INVESTMENT, JUST THINKING IF I'M THE ONE MAKING INVESTMENT, BUILDING ANOTHER HOUSE ON MY PROPERTY, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME TYPE OF RETURN. YOU CAN'T BUILD A HOUSE FOR VERY CHEAP. SO I KNOW THAT THAT ALSO PLAYS, YOU KNOW, AS A FACTOR IN THIS, HOW MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY WOULD BUILD A HOUSE. UM, YOU KNOW, SO THESE ARE JUST ALL CONVERSATIONS. I THINK WE DO, WE DO GOT SOME FAMILY SUBDIVISION RULES IN PLACE, BUT, WHICH I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT I LIKE. YEAH. THAT'S, THAT SAVES THE DAY FOR MY SON. MM-HMM . UH, IF, IF, UH, I MEAN AS FAR AS THE ROCKLAND STUFF, I, I'M OPTION THREE ALL DAY LONG. YEP. MM-HMM . IF, UH, THE OTHER PART, IF, IF WE WANT, IF I, I'M NOT JUST FOR THAT, I'M NOT, UH, AGAINST TABLING THAT AGAIN. 'CAUSE I REALLY DIDN'T KNOW. AT FIRST I THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE A GREAT IDEA AND JUST IN THE LAST FEW DAYS I'VE, I'VE GOTTEN THE, THE CONS, YOU KNOW, IT WAS ACTUALLY REAL ESTATE PERSON. MM-HMM . WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO WITH THIS PROPERTY IN 20 YEARS WHEN THESE PEOPLE ARE GONE? AND I WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, I NEVER REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT THAT. IT WAS A GREAT IDEA TODAY, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO SELL IT AS TWO SEPARATE PROPERTIES OR ONE PROPERTY. SO, YEAH. AND, AND AGAIN, I THINK THE INITIAL PROPOSAL FOR THESE WERE TO FIND A SOLUTION FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE COUNTY FOR LONG-TERM HOUSING BECAUSE WE, WE JUST WEREN'T SEEING THE DEVELOPMENT HAPPENING WITHIN THE TOWN THAT WE HAD HOPED THAT WOULD PROVIDE THAT SOLUTION. SO AGAIN, THIS WAS JUST, IT WAS, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO BE AN, AN HONEST, YOU KNOW, THOUGHTFUL SOLUTION. I, I THOUGHT IT WAS GREAT WHEN I FIRST HEARD AND, UH, KIND OF TO TRY AND REPLACE MAYBE THE GUEST HOUSE ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE. MM-HMM. WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S VERY NON ENFOR. YEAH. IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE. RIGHT. AND MOST OF THOSE EITHER GO INTO BECOME A, A STORAGE UNIT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE WILL JUST DECONSTRUCT AND, OR THEY'LL USE IT AS A STUDIO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UM, OR THEY'LL, THEY'LL SUBDIVIDE AS A FAMILY SUBDIVISION AFTER OWNING IT FOR FIVE YEARS. SO WE DO HAVE THAT OPTION. THAT'S WHERE WE CAME UP WITH THE 3.5 ACRES. RIGHT. OKAY. SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE LOGIC BEHIND THAT IS MINIMUM ACREAGE SIZE AND AG IS TWO ACRES [04:20:01] MINIMUM FOR, UH, FAMILY SUBDIVISION WAS 1.5. YOU GOTTA HAVE 3.5 TO SUBDIVIDE AS A FAMILY SUBDIVISION. SO IT'S EITHER AN OPTION FOR A FAMILY SUBDIVISION IF YOU HAVE THAT SUBDIVISION. RIGHT. OR YOU BE ALLOWED TO BUILD ANOTHER HOUSE OR A DWELLING UNIT. WELL, WELL WITHOUT, WITHOUT ADDING THIS TO THE ORDINANCE AND THAT THEY COULD DO IT WITH OUR CURRENT FAMILY SUBDIVISION RULES OTHER THAN THE TIME FACTOR. RIGHT. RIGHT. THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE DIFFERENCE IS YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO HOLD IT FOR THE FIVE YEARS. YOU KNOW, YOU COULD BUILD THAT A DU, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, ONCE THE PERMIT, IF, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IF WE HAVE THAT, UM, THE THOUGHT COULD BE, UM, IN OUR DISCUSSIONS IS THAT MAYBE WE LOOK AT THE, THE DETACHED AS BEING BY CUP ONLY VERY SIMILAR TO GUEST HOUSE. THE ATTACHED WOULD BE A BUY RIGHT. WITH BUILDING PERMIT, JUST AS WE WOULD DO WITH, UH, UH, ATTACHED WITH A, A BREEZEWAY COVERED BREEZEWAY. SO THAT, THAT, THAT SOUNDS BETTER TO ME. THESE ARE, THESE ARE THINGS WE COULD LOOK AT. THAT WAY IT GIVES THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND BOARD AN OPPORTUNITY TO BASICALLY SAY, YOU KNOW, THE SPECIFICS ABOUT THIS PROPERTY, GET THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT RE YOU KNOW, UH, COMMENTS. AND THEN ALSO GET ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER COMMENTS FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT THAT'S WHO THE IF MM-HMM . THE, YOU KNOW, THE COMP PLAN ALLOWS FOR THAT. AND THEN WE, AND THEN WE MAKE THE, THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO ADDRESS THAT. SO HOW DO Y'ALL FEEL ABOUT THAT? PART OF IT'S JUST THAT, JUST I'M THROWING, I'M, I'M IN FAVOR OF ADUS. I THINK, YOU KNOW, HAVING PIE WRIGHT BEING ATTACHED AND DETACHED BEING BY CUP MAKES SENSE. UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S IMPORTANT WE GET IT INTO THE COMP PLAN AND THEN FROM THERE WE CAN WORDSMITH THE, THE TEXT AMENDMENT. OKAY. I AGREE. I DON'T DISAGREE. I I'M GOOD WITH THAT. SO YOU THINK IT'D BE A GOOD IDEA A TABLE TO WORK ON THIS? IS THAT NO, I, I WAS SAYING I, I THINK THE LANGUAGE IS IN THERE. SO YOU THINK WE CAN JUST AMEND WHAT WE GOT? WELL, I, I'M SAYING THE COMP PLAN SAYS THAT WE WANT TO LOOK AT A DS IN THE FUTURE. MM-HMM . BUT WE HAVEN'T. THEN ONCE THAT ONCE WE GET THE COMP PLAN APPROVED, THEN WE CAN START WORKING ON AN ACTUAL TEXT AMENDMENT TO MAKE THAT PART OF THE CODE. THAT'S FAIR. YEAH. I GOT YOU. OKAY. NO, I'M GOOD WITH THAT. 'CAUSE YEAH, WE HAVEN'T WROTE THE ORDINANCE YET, BUT WE DO NEED TO LOOK AT IT. AND THIS IS A CONVERSATION WE'RE ALL HAVING. WE DO NEED TO LOOK AT IT, SO I AGREE. BUT YEAH, I THINK IT SOUNDS LIKE EVERYBODY IS GENERALLY IN FAVOR OF ADUS AND THAT NOW WE COULD WORK ON, NOT TONIGHT, . NO. WE CAN WORK ON WHAT ARE THE LOT SIZES DETACHED ATTACHED, UH, AND, AND WORK OUT THE SPECIFICS. YEAH, I AGREE. FAIR ENOUGH. IT'S THIS ADD TO BE A LANGUAGE TO ALLOW IT IN A COMP PLAN AND THEN WE'LL THE DETAILS WILL BE ANOTHER JOURNEY. CORRECT. SO ARE WE READY FOR A MOTION? YES. READY FOR A WHILE? YES. , I APPROVE THAT I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION ADOPTS RES, UH, RESOLUTION APPROVING AND RECOMMENDING THE 2024 COMP PLAN WITH OPTION THREE FOR THE PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND FOR THE COPIES OF 2024. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. A AYE. OPPOSED? AYE. HAVE IT TRUE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE SEE TRULY ENJOY WE WHAT WE'RE DOING. STICK AROUND. YOU HANG US. NO, I THINK WE DID. I JUMPED, I JUMPED OUT OF THE I'M WAY OUT OF ON THE AGENDA. DO WE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? I BACKED IT ALL AWAY. OH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY YET. NO. OKAY. WAIT. WE'RE DONE. HERE WE GO. WE HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADVERTISE FOR THE NEXT CONSENT AGENDA AND THEN COMMITTEE, COMMISSION. MA'AM. COMMISSION MATTERS IS ALL IT'S LEFT. COOL. OKAY FOLKS. NEXT ITEM. [VIII.A. Draft of Warren County Planning Department 2024 Annual Report - - Matt Wendling, Planning Director] NEW BUSINESS DRAFT OF WARREN COUNTY DEPARTMENT 2024 ANNUAL REPORT. WE'RE HERE FOR YOU MR. WILEY, WHEN YOU FREE UP TOMORROW, FOLKS, THAT'S A, HE STILL GOT SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THAT THING. I TALKED TO HIM A LITTLE BIT. YEAH, HE'S A, YEAH, HE, WE RAN INTO IT. HE RAN INTO WE, YEAH. LET'S, LET'S NOT SEE [04:25:01] SANTA. HUH? I A COUPLES EITHER THAT OR SANTA CLAUSE. I SHOULD HAVE MADE COFFEE. I'M COMING DOWN HERE. ALRIGHT. BUT AS I WALKING IN HERE, IT STARTED. OKAY. HERE, HEAR YOU. YOU'RE THE ONE, THEY'RE DEAF FOLKS. THE WHOLE EXPRESSION, EXPRESSION IN BARS. YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO HOME, BUT YOU CAN'T STAY HERE. WHAT SONG WAS THAT TIME? YEAH. OH NO, THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE TOO ABOUT, I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT A FEW TIMES WHEN I WAS YOUNGER, BUT YEAH, I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT. I DON'T REMEMBER IT BEING IN A SONG. IT WAS, WELL IT WAS IN A SONG WHERE OH, SO AND SO, SO WAS THE PROBABLY WILL BE FOREVER. YEAH, THAT A FEW TIMES TOO. I KNOW WHAT YOU YEAH. THE PIANO IS THAT THE OTHER GIRL DID THAT. OKAY. YEAH. YEAH. 'CAUSE HE SAYS, YEAH, THE DOORS ARE CLOSED OR YOU GOTTA LEAVE. BUT THINK WE'VE GOT ENOUGH ORDER NOW TO GET BACK STILL ZACH OR JACK OR WHATEVER. THE BARTENDER. I THINK SO. OKAY. MR. UH, EXCUSE ME. JUST LIKE TO THANK EVERY ONE OF YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY. I KNOW. UH, IT'S, IT'S A CHALLENGE SOMETIMES. AND, UM, YOU GUYS HAVE PROVEN YOURSELVES TIME AND TIME AGAIN. THIS HAS BEEN A, A LONG JOURNEY WITH THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND I KNOW IT'S NOT EASY SOMETIMES, UH, EVEN OLD DOGS LIKE ME LEARN NEW TRICKS AND LEARN NEW LEARN THINGS, LEARN NEW THINGS. SO, UM, UH, APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR, UH, PATIENCE AND, AND PERSEVERANCE WITH, UH, COMP PLAN. UM, REALLY OTHER THAN THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH, UM, WITH THIS. AND THEN, UH, WE WILL HAVE THE ANNUAL REPORT FOR YOU TO REVIEW NEXT MONTH. AND WE'LL TRY AND GET IT TO YOU EARLY. MAYBE YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF SINK YOUR TEETH INTO IT A LITTLE BIT. AND THEN AT THE MEETING, IF YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH IT, WE'LL MOVE THAT FORWARD TO THE BOARD. THERE ARE JUST, THERE ARE JUST SOME ITEMS, UM, MINOR ITEMS THAT WE STILL NEED TO TAKE CARE OF FOR THAT. AND I THINK ALLISON DID HAVE SOME, UH, ALLISON WE'RE GOOD'S. OKAY. SO WE'RE FINE. UM, SO ANYWAY, WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I REALLY HAD TO REPORT ON. WE'LL, WE WILL HAVE, UH, WE'LL HAVE A, A, A DRAFT OR A FINAL DRAFT FOR YOU FOR THE ANNUAL REPORT OF, UH, 2024 TO PROVIDE 2000 C MEETING. SO, OKAY. THANK YOU AGAIN AND HAPPY NEW YEAR. HERE'S ANOTHER ONE. I, I'LL NEED ONE. I, NEXT [IX. Consent Agenda] ITEM IS THE CONSENT AGENDA. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA IS PRESENTED. SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. OKAY. UH, COMMISSION [X. Commission Matters] MATTER, MR. WEMO. DITTO. WHAT I SAID EARLIER. , IT'S GETTING LATE. MR. MONT, NO REPORT. EXCELLENT. VERY MUCH WILL. NOTHING FROM ME. SCOTT, REAL QUICK. SPOKE WITH RICH THIS AFTERNOON AND WHEN WE HAVE THE FLOODPLAIN, UH, MARKED OUT LIKE WE HAD A SLATE RUN MM-HMM . HOW DOES THAT AFFECT THE TAXATION OR THE ZONING? IS THAT STILL ZONED INDUSTRIAL THROUGH THE FLOODPLAIN? EVEN THOUGH THEY CANNOT, THEY'VE, THEY'VE APPLIED FOR THE FULL, WELL JUST NOT STATE FARM SLATE FARM, BUT ANYWHERE WHERE YOU HAVE THAT MUCH OF A PROPERTY THAT IS FLOODPLAIN MM-HMM . UM, IT'S AN OVERLAY DISTRICT. YES. SO IT WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO THE UNDERLYING ZONING. NOT SURE ABOUT THE TAXES THOUGH. . YEAH. YEAH. THE TAX FROM A TAXATION STANDPOINT, THAT WOULD BE, YOU WOULD WANT TO ZONED THAT AWAY 'CAUSE THEY NEED SOME GREEN SPACE AND THEN THEY COULD USE THAT IN OUR GREEN SPACE. YEAH. IF THEY, THAT WAS WHERE WE WERE GOING. YEAH. YEAH. WE WANTED TO KIND OF JUST SHOW, SHOW IT WITH UH, A 50 FOOT BUFFER THERE GOING THROUGH. OKAY. SO THAT WAS JUST WHERE IT WAS. THAT'S REALLY UNDEVELOPABLE. IT'S UNDEVELOPABLE BUT IT CAN BE OPEN SPACE. YEAH, IT, YEAH. AND THEY, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY COULD USE IT FOR STORM WATER RETENTION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT'S IN THE FLOODPLAIN, YOU KNOW, SO, UM, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. TAXATION WISE, I DON'T [04:30:01] KNOW. I MEAN I, I, I THOUGHT FROM A STANDPOINT, FROM A TAXATION STANDPOINT, IF THEY RESERVED IT AS AGRICULTURAL AND YOU KNOW, AS OPEN SPACE AND AGRICULTURAL, IT WOULD HELP THEM IN, IN THE WAY OF TAXES. BUT THAT'S A CALL BY THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE. YEAH. AND BY THE APPLICANT. IF THE APPLICANT WANTS TO KEEP IT AND YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE EM PAY COMMERCIAL RATE, JUST USE THAT FOR THEIR GREEN SPACE. 'CAUSE IF, IF, LET'S PRETEND IT'S NO FLOODPLAIN THERE. YEAH. THAT'S, THAT'S PRESENT. IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT DEVELOPABLE. MM-HMM . THEY STILL GOTTA HAVE A GREEN SPACE. CORRECT. YOU GOTTA HAVE, YOU GOTTA HAVE SO MUCH, YOU KNOW, WATER RETENTION, SO MUCH MORE INDUSTRIAL FOR YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. SO IF IT WAS ALL DEVELOPABLE, THEY'D STILL HAVE TO HAVE THAT GREEN SPACE. IF IF IF THEY CAN'T USE IT AS A GREEN PAST, YOU'LL TAKE PROPERTY AWAY FROM, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. AND I THINK THAT THAT ALL APPLIES TO LIKE THE CARBON CREDITS AND ALL THAT STUFF THAT, THAT STORM WATER THAT DEQ ENFORCES AND NOT US AND DAVID GETS INVOLVED WITH, I MEAN FOR US, LIKE THE RURAL RESIDENTIAL, THE GREEN SPACE IS ACTUALLY WRITTEN INTO THE CODE THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE SO MUCH CONSERVATION AREA. BUT IT'S NOT IN OUR CODE PER SE. NO. BUT YEAH, IT'S NOT REALLY WRITTEN IN OUR CARD THAT I'M AWARE OF. I MEAN, WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE SITE PLANS, WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR THAT. I, IT'S MORE DAVE, DAVID AND DEQ, IT'S GONNA SAY IT'S A DQA ARE LOOKING FOR THAT KIND OF THING. SO YEAH, THEY, TO MEET BUFFER REQUIREMENTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. BUT AS FAR AS LIKE A MAX FAR OR FLOOR AREA RATIO, WE RELY ON EITHER A CONDITION ON A CUP OR A PROFFER. THERE'S NOTHING BUILT INTO THE ORDINANCE FOR FLOOR AREA RATIO. RIGHT. YEAH, I WAS JUST USING IT AS AN EXAMPLE. I DIDN'T WANT TO FOCUS ON JUST ON WHAT THAT THE SLATE RUN'S DOING. YEAH, WELL WE JUST, WE MANAGE THE FLOOD PLAN THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. RIGHT. BUT AS PART OF THAT FLOOD PLAIN OVERLAY DISTRICT. SO WE'RE VERY COGNIZANT OF WHAT, WHAT'S BEING DEVELOPED THERE. SO THAT WAS A QUESTION. ALRIGHT. HE HAD, AND I COULDN'T ANSWER IT, SO I THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. THAT'S FINE. WE BROUGHT IT UP TO YOU. YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION THAT MINE'S KIND OF A, A COMPLIMENT OF WAYS EVEN THOUGH IT IS ONE GUY'S OPINION. MY SON-IN-LAW IS THE DIRECTOR OF CONSTRUCTION FOR ALBEMARLE COUNTY SCHOOLS AND OVER CHRISTMAS HE HELPED ME TAKE DOWN A BRADFORD PAIR OF MY YARD, WHICH YOU SHOULDN'T DO ANY BECAUSE THEY'RE INVASIVE. SO TO GET RID OF THE THING, I TOOK IT UP, HE TOOK A RIDE WITH ME UP TO THE TRANSFER STATION AND HIS COMMENT WAS THAT WAS THE CLEANEST AND BEST MANAGED LANDFILL TYPE FACILITY HE'D EVER SEEN. YEAH, THAT'S TRUE. YEAH'S VERY CLEAN. WE'LL PASS THAT ON TO MIKE BERRY AND, UH, JAMIE LI THINK HE'S OUR SOLID WASTE MANAGER. SO THANK YOU. DO THAT. I'VE GOT NOTHING. I'VE GOT NOTHING. MM-HMM . YOU TWO, TAKE YOUR TURN. WHICHEVER FIRST. . NO, THAT'S A HARD PASS. . ALLISON, UM, HUGH, KAYLEE, YOU CAN IF OKAY. YOURS ARE, YOURS ARE DONE? I THINK SO. OKAY. NO IT'S NOT. IF IT, IF IT ISN'T PHYSICAL EMAIL, IT'S FINE. THIS IS ALSO YOUR REMINDER THAT I NEED EVERYBODY'S IPAD TONIGHT. YES. TONIGHT IT IS. IT IS THE FIRST REMOVE, FIRST MEETING IN THE FIRST QUARTER. STICKY. I NEED GO TO IDENTIFY WHOSE IS WHO. TAKE YOUR STICKY TAIL, STICKY NOTES. THESE ARE IT APPROVED. OH. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE. ALRIGHT, WELL THIS IS, THIS IS YOURS. SO I GUESS YOU HAVE, WE HAVE TO HAND IT TO HER SO SHE KNOWS IT'S YOURS. TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE GENTLEMAN SAID. IS THERE A SECOND? HAPPY TO. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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