Jan 14, 2025 Board of Supervisors Work Session

UM, MR. BUTLER, CAN I MAKE A, A STATEMENT BEFORE WE START? SURE, SURE.

UM, I JUST WANTED TO, UH, JUST POINT OUT THAT I THINK IT WAS LAST MONTH.

UH, WE WERE GIVEN THE, UM, FORECASTS OF REVENUES FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS AND EXPENDITURES AND OUR CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE FACING THE NEXT, UH, 26 BUDGET.

AND I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT WE, UH, RIGHT NOW AS A STANCE IS THAT, UH, WE'RE ALREADY IN A DEFICIT OF $2.2 MILLION OKAY.

FROM THE DEPARTMENT'S ASKS VERSUS THE REVENUE FORECAST.

SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT AND THE CHALLENGES THAT WE ARE GONNA HAVE GOING AHEAD IN BALANCING OUR BUDGET.

EMERGENCY TRANSPORTATION, EMERGENCY SHELTER, MEDICAL ACCOMPANIMENT, SPECIFICALLY.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT.

AND I CERTAINLY DON'T ENVY YOU AT ALL.

UH, MY NAME IS AVERY HARPER.

I'M THE NEW EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR WITH PHOENIX PROJECT, UH, STANDING IN TAMMY SHARPS, UH, LEGACY.

THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TO YOU ALL THIS EVENING.

I AM FAIRLY CONFIDENT THAT YOU ALL KNOW WHAT WE DO WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY, BUT I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND COVER SOME OF THOSE HIGHLIGHTS ANYWAY, BECAUSE I'M CERTAINLY VERY PROUD OF IT.

AND THAT'S, UM, A LOT OF WHAT YOU WILL HEAR COMING THROUGH WITH MY VOICE AND ANY TIME I TALK ABOUT OUR AGENCY, THE AMOUNT OF PRIDE I HAVE FOR OUR AGENCY AND FOR THE SURVIVORS HERE LOCALLY.

SO WHAT WE DO CAN BE DIVIDED UP INTO TWO MAIN CATEGORIES OF SERVICES.

WE HAVE OUR CRISIS SERVICES AND WE HAVE SUPPORTIVE SERVICES.

THOSE CRISIS SERVICES ARE SUCH THINGS AS OUR 24 7 HOTLINE, OUR 24 7 LETHALITY ASSESSMENT PROTOCOL HOTLINE, WHICH WE CURRENTLY OPERATE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE FRONT ROYAL POLICE DEPARTMENT AND ARE HOPING TO BRING, UM, IN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT HOPEFULLY THIS YEAR WITH THAT AS WELL.

WELL, WE DO ALL THE MEDICAL ACCOMP ACCOMPANIMENT, BUT MOST PEOPLE ASSOCIATE THAT WITH SURVIVORS OF SEXUAL ASSAULT, SUPPORT AND SAFETY PLANNING.

WE PROVIDE FOOD, CLOTHING, HYGIENE ITEMS, AND WE CAN DO SUCH THINGS AS PROVIDING FOOD AND SECURITY CAMERAS FOR THOSE SURVIVORS.

UNDER THE SUPPORTIVE SERVICES CATEGORY, WE HAVE COURT ACCOMPANIMENT.

OUR COURT ADVOCATE IS IN COURT ALMOST EVERY SINGLE THURSDAY.

WE HAVE SUPPORT GROUPS, ONGOING SAFETY PLANNING, CERTAINLY INFORMATION AND EDUCATION ABOUT INTIMATE PARTNER VIOLENCE AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, HOW IT MANIFESTS, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IN THE FAMILY UNIT THAT'S EXPERIENCING THAT PARTICULAR VIOLENCE INFORMATION EDUCATION LINKS TO COMMUNITY RESOURCES.

UM, THE ADDRESS CONFIDE CONFIDENTIALITY PROGRAM WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE SO THAT SURVIVORS HAVE A SECURE AND CONFIDENTIAL WAY TO RECEIVE THEIR MAIL.

DIDN'T KNOW IF Y'ALL KNEW ABOUT THAT ONE.

CERTAINLY SUPPORT FOR CHILDREN EXPOSED TO VIOLENCE AND THEN ALL OF THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH THAT WE DO.

AND IN MY MIND, UNDER THOSE SUPPORTIVE SERVICES CATEGORY, WE'VE GOT HOPE, WE'VE GOT HELP, WE'VE GOT HEALING.

SO HOW DO WE DO THAT? VERY QUICKLY, WE ABIDE BY THE TENETS OF INFORMED CARE.

SOME OF THAT LOOKS LIKE, UM, TRUSTWORTHINESS AND TRANSPARENCY WITH OUR SURVIVORS, WITH OUR COMMUNITY, AND IN HOW WE OPERATE.

PEER SUPPORT, COLLABORATION, UH, AND CERTAINLY IN IN ALL WAYS SAFETY.

WE ARE SURVIVOR CENTERED.

THAT MEANS WE OFFER OPTIONS, NOT OPINIONS.

WE ENCOURAGE CHOICE AND WE TRY VERY HARD TO MEET THE CLIENTS WHERE THEY ARE AND TO UNDERSTAND THEIR CIRCUMSTANCES, THEIR NEEDS, THEIR WANTS, THEIR DESIRES.

AND WE ADVOCATE.

SO WE ABIDE BY ETHICS POLICIES, BEST PRACTICES THAT ARE OUT THERE.

WE MAINTAIN CONFIDENTIALITY.

UM, IN 2023, WE BECAME A PROFESSIONALLY ACCREDITED AGENCY FOR OUR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SERVICES.

SINCE THEN, WE HAVE ALSO BEGAN THE, THE FULL SEXUAL ASSAULT PROGRAM AND SERVICES.

SO THAT WHEN WE ARE UP FOR RE-ACCREDITATION NEXT YEAR, WE'RE GOING FOR THE DUAL AGENCY ACCREDITATION.

SO BOTH THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND THE

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SEXUAL ASSAULT SERVICES.

AND WE DO THIS WITH ONLY THREE FULL-TIME ADVOCATES.

WAIT TILL, HEAR SOME OF THE STATISTICS HERE IN A MINUTE.

SO IN OUR AGENCY, WE HAVE SIX STAFF TOTAL, THREE FULL-TIME ADVOCATES, FIVE FULL-TIME STAFF, AND ONE PART-TIME STAFF.

I AM HERE TONIGHT, PLEASE.

I'M REQUESTING $15,000 FROM WARREN COUNTY IN SUPPORT OF SURVIVOR SERVICES.

HERE'S SOME STATISTICS FROM THE LAST YEAR, AND I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF THESE 'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA BORE YOU WITH NUMBERS, BUT THEY ARE IMPORTANT.

SO, HOTLINE CALLS ALONE, UH, 1058 AS IT PERTAINS TO DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.

314 AS IT PERTAINS TO SEXUAL ASSAULT.

1,261 AS IT PERTAINS IN SOME WAY TO COORDINATION OF SERVICES FOR THOSE SURVIVORS.

THE TOP FOUR HOTLINE RELATED SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDED OVER THE PHONE WERE, UH, COUNSELING AND SUPPORT, SAFETY PLANNING, INCLUDING LEGAL PROTECTIONS, ADVOCACY AND INFORMATION AND REFERRAL.

THAT'S JUST THE INFORMATION THAT'S COMING IN THROUGH THE PHONE THAT DOES NOT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM CAPTURE THE, THE WALK-INS OR THE CLIENTS THAT ARE MAKING APPOINTMENTS TO COME IN.

THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT OUR AGENCY SHELTERED, UH, WHO SCREAMED IN IN SOME FORM OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, UH, SEXUAL ASSAULT, INTIMATE PARTNER VIOLENCE WERE 308 48 OF THOSE WERE CHILDREN.

AND THOSE ARE VERY IMPRESSIVE NUMBERS FOR SUCH A SMALL COMMUNITY THAT DOES NOT HAVE A DEDICATED SHELTER FOR THOSE THAT ARE EXPERIENCING THIS TYPE OF VIOLENCE.

308 NIGHTS PHOENIX PROJECT PARTICIPATED IN 1024 COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ACTIVITIES.

THAT'S WHEN YOU ALL SAW US OUT AND ABOUT IN OUR COMMUNITY.

SO THIS INCLUDES MEETINGS, PRESENTATIONS, OR EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS TABLING.

AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS WHEN YOU KNOW THERE'S A COMMUNITY EVENT, WE HAVE A TABLE WITH INFORMATION SET UP, UM, AND JUST GOING ABOUT AND DISTRIBUTING RESOURCES LOCALLY.

THIS IS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF PRODUCTIVITY ON BEHALF OF OUR LOCAL SURVIVORS FOR OUR SMALL BUT VERY EFFICIENT TEAM.

AND I HOPE THAT THAT HELPS TO ASSURE YOU ALL THAT OUR TIME AND OUR FUNDS ARE SPENT WISELY.

AGAIN, REALLY, REALLY PROUD OF WHAT WE DO.

I'VE GOT ABOUT FOUR MINUTES LEFT.

SO HERE ARE SOME QUOTES FROM SURVIVORS.

THE PHOENIX PROJECT WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND TO HELP ME AND MY KIDS NEVER JUDGE ME AND NEVER QUESTIONED ME ABOUT ANYTHING.

I HAD HELP FROM MY PROTECTIVE ORDER AND WITH PLACES THAT I CAN LOOK INTO MOVING TO, I NEEDED THE HELP SO BADLY.

ALL I COULD DO WAS CRY.

I CAN SMILE A LITTLE MORE NOW THAT I HAVE THEIR HELP.

ALL OF MY EXPERIENCES HAVE BEEN POSITIVE.

EVEN ON MY WORST DAYS, I LEAVE THE AGENCY WITH A SMILE AND SOME HOPE.

I FEEL SO SUPPORTED AND I FEEL LIKE I CAN DO ANYTHING.

AND LAST ONE, I FEEL FEARLESS.

I FEEL LIKE I HAVE POWER AND I FEEL THAT I AM NOT AFRAID TO STAND UP TO MY EX ANYMORE.

I HAVE THE ABILITY TO WALK INTO THE COURTHOUSE AND DO WHAT I NEED TO DO TO PROTECT MYSELF AND MY CHILDREN.

I AM CONFIDENT I CAN'T THANK THE STAFF ENOUGH FOR STANDING BY ME AND WITH ME IN COURT.

I WOULD RECOMMEND COMING HERE 100 TIMES OVER.

LIVING WITH SOMEONE THAT ABUSES YOU IS TERRIBLE.

WITHOUT THE HELP, I DON'T THINK THAT I WOULD HAVE ESCAPED.

SO, SO IN CONCLUSION, WHAT I'M ASKING FOR SPECIFICALLY, WHICH IS ON PAGE FOUR OF THE APPLICATION, UM, WHEN IT TALKS ABOUT HOW WILL WE USE ANY FUNDS GRANTED BY YOU ALL FOR OUR AGENCY, I'VE GOT IT WRITTEN DOWN INTO FOUR MAIN CATEGORIES.

SO SUPPORTING THOSE HOTEL STAYS, WHICH ARE ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL FOR THAT SURVIVOR AND THEIR FAMILY TO GET OUT OF THE SITUATION IN WHICH THERE IS IMMINENT DANGER.

THE SECOND ONE IS TO SUPPORT TRANSPORTATION.

SO VERY OFTEN, UM, A A CLIENT NEEDS TO ACCESS LONG-TERM SHELTER, NOT WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY AND CAN'T AFFORD TO GET TO IT.

SOME OF THAT TRANSPORTATION CAB FAIRS GOES TO HELPING THAT CLIENT GET DOWN TO OR OUT TOWARDS ANOTHER SHELTER.

UM, IT COULD BE A DV SHELTER OR IT COULD BE TO FRIENDS AND FAMILY THAT LIVE 50 MILES AWAY.

IF THAT'S THEIR SAFE PLACE, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO GET THEM THERE.

UH, IT'S ALSO GONNA GO TOWARD UTILITY AND RENT PAYMENTS.

SO VERY OFTEN WE HAVE DYNAMICS OF ABUSE IN WHICH THERE'S A LOT OF FINANCIAL ABUSE THAT HAPPENS.

UH, THE PERPETRATOR HAS SHUT OFF THE UTILITY PAYMENT.

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YOU CAN SEE WHERE THAT GOES.

UM, SOME OF THE FUNDS GO TO TURNING THAT BACK ON.

AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, IT GOES TOWARDS SUPPORTING THOSE TWO.

I'M SORRY, IT GOES TO SUPPORTING THE ONE HOTLINE, WHICH IS OUR 24 7 HOTLINE.

IT'S ABOUT IT, IT IS $1,500 IN ORDER FOR US TO MAINTAIN THAT PARTICULAR 24 7 HOTLINE.

UM, AND IN CONCLUSION, I'M JUST ABOUT AT THAT 10 MINUTE MINUTE, 10 MINUTE MARK.

AND I WANNA BE RESPECTFUL OF YOUR TIME.

DEEPLY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS.

I'M VERY PROUD OF OUR AGENCY AND WHAT WE DO.

I'M HAPPY TO FIELD ANY QUESTIONS Y'ALL MAY HAVE FOR ME.

AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO, NO QUESTION.

BUT THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING THOSE SERVICES.

YES, MA'AM.

UM, AND JUST 'CAUSE I'M HERE AT THE MIC, IF THERE ARE ANY, UM, SOCIAL GROUPS THAT YOU ALL ARE INVOLVED IN, IN WHICH YOU WANT SOMEONE FROM PHOENIX PROJECT TO COME OUT AND SPEAK TO Y'ALL ABOUT INTIMATE PARTNER VIOLENCE WITHIN YOUR SOCIAL CIRCUS, UH, SOCIAL CIRCUSES, SOCIAL CIRCLES, OR WHATEVER YOU ALL ARE INVOLVED IN, WE ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO THAT.

AND, AND YOUR SERVICES ARE, ARE TRULY APPRECIATED.

THIS IS MY FIRST TIME PRESENTING, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT, GRACE.

YOU DID A GREAT JOB.

YOU'RE, YOU'RE AN OLD PRO .

SO UP NEXT WE HAVE THE, UH, WINCHESTER AIRPORT.

[B. Winchester Airport - FY26 Budget Request]

THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN, AND A GENERAL THANK YOU TO YOU AND VICKY FOR BEING THERE.

UM, IT'S ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO APPEAR BEFORE ALL OF THE JURISDICTIONS, UH, BUT PARTICULARLY WARREN COUNTY BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN A LONG, LONGSTANDING SUPPORTER, DECADES LONGSTANDING SUPPORTER, AND IT'S AN EXCITING TIME.

UH, IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE MONEY.

AND IF YOU EVER GET THAT SENSE FROM ME AS A CHAIRMAN, UM, I HOPE, I HOPE YOU'LL, UH, POINT THAT OUT.

THAT, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE HERE FOR OTHER REASONS.

THE BEST THING THAT WE HAVE GOING IS THAT WE CONTINUE TO BE A, A PROFITABLE AND SUCCESSFUL ORGANIZATION.

UM, A LOT BECAUSE OF NICK'S LEADERSHIP.

WE ARE AS FINANCIALLY STRONG AS WE HAVE EVER BEEN, AND WE FULLY EXPECT THAT TO CONTINUE.

WE HAVE NO REASON NOT TO THINK THAT, UH, THAT THAT WON'T CONTINUE.

THE, THE, THE VARIOUS WAYS IN WHICH WE WILL RECEIVE REVENUE, UM, THROUGH OUR OPERATIONS, UM, CONTINUE TO IMPROVE.

I MENTIONED AT THE RIBBON CUTTING, UH, DEDICATION OF THE TERMINAL THAT SOME PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THAT WE HAVE 14 BUSINESSES ON THE AIRPORT, WHICH IS A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT BUSINESS HUB.

BUT I WOULD ASSURE YOU THAT WHATEVER YOUR FINANCIAL SUPPORT IS, THAT IT'S THAT, THAT WE'RE TAKING CARE OF IT.

BUT AS YOU KNOW, WITH THE NEW TERMINAL AND VARIOUS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AROUND IT, TAXIWAYS AND RAMPS, UM, WE'RE STILL DOING WELL.

WE HAVE FOR THE FIRST TIME, UH, FIVE YEARS AGO, STARTED TO TAKE ON DEBT, WHICH WE CAN SUPPORT.

WE ONLY TOOK IT ON BECAUSE WE HAD INVESTMENT INCOME BEHIND IT.

UH, BUT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ARE OBVIOUSLY VERY EXPENSIVE, UH, UM, ENTITIES.

AND LOOKING FORWARD, WE HAVE PROBABLY 15 TO $20 MILLION OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS IN THE NEXT THREE FISCAL YEARS.

AND MOST OF THOSE ARE SUPPORTIVE NOT ONLY FOR THE SAFETY OF FLIGHT, WHICH THE NUMBERS OF FLIGHTS COMING IN AND OUT OUT OF WINCHESTER NOW ARE DRAMATICALLY INCREASED.

SO SAFETY IS ALL IMPORTANT AND SAFETY'S DICTATED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, BUT IT'S ALSO

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TO ACCOMMODATE THE GROWTH THAT WE ANTICIPATE.

SOME OF THE NEW BUSINESSES ON FIELD ARE ALREADY TALKING ABOUT EXPANSION, AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO HEAR.

WE WANT TO BE MORE AND MORE PROFITABLE.

YOU KNOW, THE ONE THING THOUGH THAT I THINK IS FANTASTIC, AND SO MUCH OF IT COMES FROM A GOOD LEADER LIKE NICK, UH, HE MENTIONED TODAY THAT WE WILL BE THE FIRST AIRPORT IN THE COMMONWEALTH THAT WILL HAVE AN ECONOMIC IMPACT STATEMENT DEVELOPED FOR IT.

AND I THINK IT TAKES ABOUT 12 MONTHS OR SO.

BUT THE GREATEST THING ABOUT THAT IS, IS THAT ONLY REMINDS ME AND HOPEFULLY YOU, THAT IT AIN'T ABOUT THE AIRPORT.

THAT AIRPORT HAS AN ECONOMIC IMPACT.

AND GUESS WHAT? WARREN COUNTY IS THE BEEHIVE OF THAT ECONOMIC THRIVING THREE 40.

UM, YOU KNOW, ALL, ALL, YOU ALL KNOW BETTER THAN I'LL EVER KNOW HOW, HOW IMPORTANT THAT IMPACT IS.

SO SOMETIMES IN THE PAST WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ECONOMIC IMPACT AS BEING SOMETHING SOMEWHAT NEBULOUS AND PULLING IN NUMBERS, AND WE'RE NOT SURE WHETHER THEY'RE DIRECT IMPACT, BUT WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO BEING THE FIRST AIRPORT IN THE COMMONWEALTH TO HAVE A NEW ECONOMIC IMPACT STATEMENT.

AND THAT INCLUDES WARREN COUNTY AND THE MASSIVE E ECONOMIC IMPACT YOU ALL HAVE WITH THREE 40 AND THE REST OF THE COUNTY.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

AND THEN I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE REAL, REAL PRO NICK.

GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, BOARD SUPERVISORS.

I'M NICK SABO.

I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR THERE AT THE WINCHESTER REGIONAL AIRPORT.

UM, AGAIN, WANT TO COME BEFORE YOU AND THANK YOU FIRST AND FOREMOST FOR YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT.

UH, YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN WITH THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY SINCE ITS INCEPTION IN 1987, AND FOR THAT WE'RE TRULY GRATEFUL.

UH, AS BILL MENTIONED, WE JUST TOOK THE, THE RIBBON OFF OF THE AIRPORT TERMINAL OF THE FUTURE, AS WE CALL IT.

UH, AND I JUST WANT TO NOTE THAT THAT PROJECT REALLY IS CALLED THAT FOR TWO REASONS.

UH, ONE MORE IMPORTANT.

THE OTHER, UM, THE LESS IMPORTANT REASON IS BECAUSE, UH, WE, WE FEEL LIKE WE DESIGNED A STRUCTURE THAT IS READY TO MEET THE, THE NEXT GENERATION OF AVIATION, WHETHER THAT BE, UH, ELECTRIC AIRCRAFT, OTHER PROPULSION SYSTEMS, UM, AVIATION USERS THAT REQUIRE HIGH SPEED DATA, THAT KIND OF THING.

WE FEEL LIKE WE HAVE BUILT A FACILITY FOR THOSE PURPOSES, BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE EASY PART, AND THAT'S NOT THE SPECTACULAR PART.

THE, THE, THE REASON WHY WE ARE SO, UH, INFATUATED AND EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT, AND ONE IN WHICH I THINK WARREN COUNTY CAN ALSO GET BEHIND, IS THAT WE DESIGNED THIS FACILITY TO CONNECT WITH ITS COMMUNITY IN NEW AND MEANINGFUL WAYS.

UH, WE WANNA BE A RESOURCE TO OUR COMMUNITY AS WE EMBRACE THIS NEXT GENERATION OF AVIATION.

UH, WE WANNA BE A KNOWLEDGE RESOURCE TO WARREN COUNTY TO BE HELPFUL FOR YOU IN THOSE, THOSE QUESTIONS THAT MIGHT COME BEFORE YOU, THAT MIGHT HAVE NOTHING TO DO NECESSARILY WITH AN AIRPORT, BUT HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH DRONES MAYBE IN YOUR COMMUNITY.

AND WE'VE GOT GREAT CONTACTS AND RESOURCES FOR THAT.

SO WE, WE FEEL LIKE THIS BUILDING IS MORE THAN A BUILDING.

UH, THERE IS A LIFEBLOOD TO IT, AND WE FEEL LIKE THAT'S REALLY WHAT MAKES IT EXCITING AND RETHINKING THE ROLE OF THE GENERAL AVIATION AIRPORT IS REALLY WHAT MAKES IT THE TERMINAL OF THE FUTURE.

UM, WITH THAT, WE DO HAVE A VIDEO.

I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TIME FOR IT TONIGHT, BUT I DO ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS, UH, PLEASE, IF YOU CAN, I'LL SHARE THE LINK OUT.

BUT IT'S ALSO ON OUR WEBSITE AND IT TALKS ABOUT OUR ROLE IN AEROMEDICAL SERVICES.

AND THIS IS SOMETHING OF COURSE, THE, THE FRONT ROW AIRPORT KNOWS VERY WELL.

AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE A KINSHIP WITH BECAUSE IT IS A ROLE THAT MANY GENERAL AVIATION AIRPORTS PLAY AND FACILITATE IN THOSE SUPPORT SERVICES.

AND IN THIS CASE, I DO FEEL LIKE IT IS A TANDEM BETWEEN FRONT ROYAL AND WINCHESTER THAT PROVIDE, UM, A MATRIX OF SUPPORT TO WARREN COUNTY.

AND IT'S A, IT'S A SPECTACULAR MISSION.

WE'RE, UH, UH, WE'RE HONORED, UH, TO SUPPORT IT.

AND WE CREATED A VIDEO THAT TELLS THAT VERY IMPORTANT STORY, AND I ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO, GO CHECK THAT OUT.

UM, BILL HAD MENTIONED THE ECONOMIC IMPACT STUDY.

I DO WANT TO UNDERSCORE HOW IN 2017 WHEN THIS WAS LAST PERFORMED, UM, THE ANALYSIS SHOW THAT THE THREE JURISDICTIONS THAT ACTUALLY BENEFITED THE MOST FROM THE AIRPORT WERE FREDERICK COUNTY, THE CITY OF WINCHESTER AND WARREN COUNTY.

AND I EXPECT TO SEE THE SIMILAR RESULTS AGAIN.

UH, BUT WE ARE VERY EXCITED TO SEE THAT DATA AGAIN.

IT SHOULD BE ABOUT A 12 YEAR PERIOD OF PERFORMANCE FOR THAT STUDY.

UH, WE ARE ALSO UNDERTAKING A GRANT SUPPORTED STUDY FOR, UH, UH, IT'S CALLED THE ADVANCED AIR MOBILITY WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT PIPELINE STUDY.

UH, WE WILL INVITE WARREN COUNTY TO BE A PART OF THIS, ESPECIALLY THE SCHOOL SYSTEMS. AND WHAT WE THINK, UH, IS POSSIBLE IS CREATING A NEW PIPELINE OF WORKFORCE, UH, TO SERVE THE AEROSPACE INDUSTRY.

UH, WE FEEL LIKE THERE ARE GOOD MEANINGFUL JOBS TO BE, UH, TO BE HAD, BUT ALSO CREATED RIGHT HERE IN THE SHENANDOAH VALLEY.

UH, AND WE FEEL LIKE TO BE SUCCESSFUL IN THAT, WE NEED TO BE UNITED.

WE NEED TO HAVE A PLAN.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT THIS, UH, STUDY'S INTENDED TO DO.

AND SO WE WANNA, UH, OF COURSE REACH OUT TO WARREN COUNTY AND INVITE YOU TO BE A PART OF THAT.

UH, WE ARE THANKFUL THAT WARREN COUNTY WAS PART OF OUR FIRST EVER AEROSPACE DAY AT THE AIRPORT THIS PAST YEAR.

UH, WE DID WORK WITH YOUR TECHNOLOGY ADVISOR, UH, VINCENT GREG, I BELIEVE HIS NAME IS.

AND ABOUT 60 STUDENTS FROM WARREN

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COUNTY SCHOOLS CAME OUT AND HAD A CAREER FAIR, A CAREER FAIR OF SORTS.

BUT WE TRY TO PUT A DIFFERENT SPIN ON IT AND ALSO SHOWCASE SOME NON-TRADITIONAL JOBS THAT CAN BE HAD WITHIN THE AVIATION INDUSTRY LIKE ARCHITECTURE AND ENGINEERING AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT.

METEOROLOGY, UH, THAT DON'T COME TOP OF MIND, BUT MIGHT MEET A STUDENT'S INTEREST.

BUT THEY DON'T THINK ABOUT FIND, LOOKING FOR A JOB NECESSARILY IN THE AVIATION INDUSTRY.

BUT WE WANNA SHOW THAT THERE'S A BIG UMBRELLA OF WHAT IT TAKES TO SUPPORT AVIATION.

AND SO THAT WAS KIND OF THE THEME OF OUR, UH, CAREER DAY AND, AND WE'RE GONNA DO THAT AGAIN NEXT YEAR, AND WE HOPE WARREN COUNTY CAN BE A PART OF IT.

UM, FINALLY, I JUST WANNA NOTE THAT, UH, OUR SUPPORT FOR FRONT ROYAL IS ENDURING.

UH, WE, UH, APPLAUD THE EFFORTS THAT THAT AIRPORT HAS TAKEN AND WE, UH, CONTINUE TO BE, UH, OR TO HOLD OURSELVES OUT AS A RESOURCE IN ANY WAY POSSIBLE.

AND WE ACTUALLY LOOK TO THEM TOO FOR, FOR IDEAS AND AS A, AS A FRIENDSHIP AND RESOURCE AS WELL.

UM, SO THE, THE BUDGET REQUEST BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS THE SAME LEVEL AS LAST YEAR.

IT'S $5,000, UH, THAT WILL SUPPORT A, AN APPROXIMATELY $10.3 MILLION TOTAL CAPITAL BUDGET.

UM, WE HAVE ALWAYS COME TO FORT ROYAL, I'M SORRY, WARREN COUNTY, TO REQUEST SUPPORT FOR OUR CAPITAL BUDGET.

UH, THAT IS BECAUSE THOSE DOLLARS, UH, ARE AMPLIFIED BY OTHER GRANTS THAT WE ARE ABLE TO OBTAIN FROM THE STATE AND THE, UH, THE FAA, UH, SO THAT $5,000 IS, UH, AMPLIFIED GREATLY BY THOSE GRANTS THAT WE'RE ABLE TO PULL DOWN.

AND THE, AS BILL MENTIONED, THE MAJORITY OF OUR CAPITAL BUDGET IS SUPPORTED THIS YEAR BY, UH, BOTH THE FAA AND THE STATE LEAVING APPROXIMATELY 2% LOCAL SHARE, UH, AFTER CONTRIBUTIONS FROM WARREN SHEAH AND, AND CLARK COUNTY, WHICH ARE ALL LEVEL SET AT $5,000.

UH, THE REMAINDER IS A PORTION TO THE CITY OF WINCHESTER AND FREDERICK COUNTY WHO CARRY, CARRY THE WATER ON THE BULK OF WHAT'S REMAINING.

SO, UH, WITH THAT, I HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

DO ANY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE QUESTIONS? I JUST WOULD LIKE TO ADD A COMMENT.

SO THE, THE BUDGET WILL BE COMING OUT OF THE AIRPORT ENTERPRISE FUND AND NOT THE GENERAL FUND, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

THAT'S WHERE THE BOARD HAS BEEN.

THAT HAS BEEN, YES.

SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE.

THAT'S WHERE THE, THE FUNDING SOURCE WILL BE COMING OUT OF THAT.

BUT THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

I, I HAVE A QUICK COMMENT.

I JUST WANNA SAY FIRST I, I'M SORRY I MISSED YOUR OPENING FOR THE TERMINAL OF THE FUTURE.

UM, I HEARD IT WAS QUITE, QUITE IMPRESSIVE.

UM, BUT I APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU'RE DOING WITH THE, THE STUDENTS DEVELOPING AVIATION CAREER ASPIRATIONS, UM, AND ALSO, UH, SHOWCASING, YOU KNOW, UM, UNCONVENTIONAL OR IDEAS ABOUT AVIATION JOBS THAT THEY MAY NOT HAVE HEARD OF.

UM, I, I DO HAVE AVIATION DATA ALL DAY LONG IN MY DAY JOB, AND, UH, SO I APPRECIATE ALL OF THIS.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

WHEN I MAKE A QUICK COMMENT TO THAT, AND ONE THING I WOULD SAY, UM, IS WE ALL NEED TO THINK OF THE AIRPORT AS A LITTLE DIFFERENT ENTITY NOW, AND I CALL IT THE ROMANCE OF AVIATION.

THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

THERE'S JUST SOMETHING ABOUT THAT ATTRACTS PEOPLE.

SO WITH REGARD TO EDUCATION, AND PEOPLE AND YOUNG, YOUNG PEOPLE ARE EVEN PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING FOR A CHANGE IN CAREER, WHETHER IT'S WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT, THIS AIRPORT IS A HUGE RESOURCE, EVEN, EVEN IF IT'S NOTHING MORE THAN GENERATING SOME ENERGY TOWARDS WHAT CAN I DO WITH WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.

SO WE ALL HAVE TO SORT OF CONDITION OURSELVES DIFFERENTLY.

AND IF YOU DIDN'T MAKE IT, YOU GOTTA MAKE IT.

UH, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A WONDERFUL FACILITY.

AS I SAID, IT'S NOT JUST A BUILDING.

WE TAKE THIS PERSONALLY.

SO IT'S A PLACE TO DO ALL THESE THINGS THAT, UH, THAT WE, WE ENJOY DOING.

SO THANKS FOR THAT.

WHEN DID, UH, WHEN DID YOU SAY ECONOMIC IMPACT STUDY IS GONNA BE COMING OUT? SO WE'RE GETTING TO WORK ON IT, UM, ACTUALLY NEXT WEEK.

UM, WE ANTICIPATE ABOUT A 12 MONTH PERIOD OF PERFORMANCE, SO AT, AT THE END OF THIS YEAR AT BEST.

AND I'M, I'M INTERESTED IN THAT BECAUSE I WONDER IF THERE'S SOME, UH, CARRYOVER OR TEMPLATING OR ANY, ANY, UM, USE OF THAT THAT COULD BE USED FOR OUR AIRPORT ABSOLUTELY.

IN TERMS OF, OF LIKE FOLLOWING THE EXAMPLE AND DOING IT.

AND MAYBE IT'S A OB OBVIOUSLY IT'S A SMALLER SCALE, BUT, YEAH.

WELL, AND I, I DON'T QUOTE ME ON THIS, BUT I DO BELIEVE THE DEPARTMENT OF AVIATION IS GOING TO DO SOME LEVEL OF ANALYSIS THAT CAPTURES ALL AIRPORTS, WHAT LEVEL I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE OF, BUT I FEEL LIKE FRONT ROYAL SHOULD, SHOULD BENEFIT FROM SOME OF THE WORK THAT IS PART OF THIS CONTRACT UNDER THE STATE AS WELL.

YEAH, THAT WOULD BE VERY GOOD TO SEE, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S AN ASSET FOR THE, BUT, BUT YEAH, I THINK SOMEBODY JUST ALLUDED TO THE FACT THAT SOMETIMES MAYBE IT'S A LITTLE, UM, A LITTLE HARD TO SEE AND A LITTLE HARD TO UNDERSTAND.

AND BRINGING THAT TO THE SURFACE AND HAVING EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY GET AN IDEA OF THE ECONOMIC IMPACT WOULD BE GREAT.

DEFINITELY.

YEAH, DEFINITELY WE WOULD EMBRACE THAT.

AND THAT'S JUST LIKE WHAT I WAS SAYING, WE'RE GONNA THINK OF THE AIRPORT AS SOMETHING ELSE.

INCLUDING FRONT BOIL AIRPORT.

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SO I, I WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE, UH, WITH, WITH THE NEW TERMINAL.

AND, UH, MATTER OF FACT, UH, AND I HAVEN'T MENTIONED THIS TO ANY OF THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS, BUT I, I TOOK A TRIP DOWN TO LOURAY YESTERDAY AND TOOK A LOOK AT THEIR NEW TERMINAL.

AND, UH, THAT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'D LIKE TO PUT IN THE PIPELINE AS, UH, SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE FOR, FOR, UH, WARREN COUNTY.

UH, FRONT ROYAL AIRPORT IS, UH, YOU KNOW, A, UM, A, A TERMINAL THAT WE COULD USE THAT THAT COULD DRAW, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, UH, BUSINESS AND, UM, USE, USE YOU GUYS AS A MODEL.

SO HAPPY TO HELP OUT.

WE CAN, INCLUDING LESSONS LEARNED AND, YOU KNOW, LEARN FROM OUR SCARS THROUGH THE PROCESS.

AND ALSO YOUR ADVICE AS WELL.

APPRECIATE IT.

SO NEXT WE HAVE, UH, LD FAIRFAX, UH, SOIL AND WATER CONSERVATION, TIMING.

[C. Lord Fairfax Soil & Water Conservation - FY26 Budget Request]

I BROUGHT SOME SUPPLEMENTARY MATERIAL HERE FOR YOU GUYS.

UM, BUT THEN THEY'RE GONNA TALK FIRST IF THAT'S OKAY.

CAN I APPROACH ? THERE WE GO.

YOU WANT ME TO DO IT? YOU WANNA DO IT? YOU DO IT.

OKAY, .

WELL, GOOD EVENING.

UH, I'M MARK HUDDLESTON.

THIS IS MY WIFE, EMMA BRICKER.

AND WE ARE WARREN COUNTY'S TWO ELECTED, UH, DIRECTORS TO THE LORD FAIRFAX SOIL AND WATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT.

WE REALLY JUST WANTED TO REINTRODUCE OURSELVES.

WE, WE, UH, MET YOU LAST YEAR.

WE TRIED TO MAKE SOME APPOINTMENTS IN THE, UH, LATE FALL TO SEE YOU, BUT I THINK THE HOLIDAY SEASON KIND OF MESSED WITH FOLKS SCHEDULES.

WE'LL TRY IT AGAIN, UH, LATER THIS YEAR, I GUESS.

BUT, UH, WE'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE STAFF TO, UH, PRESENT SOME MATERIAL AND ANSWER TECHNICAL QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

BUT, UH, I WANTED TO SAY SIMPLY THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT.

UH, I KNOW THAT THE BUDGET HAS BEEN VERY CONSTRAINED AND IT'S BEEN DIFFICULT, BUT WE APPRECIATE IT AND IT REALLY HELPS, UH, FOLKS IN WARREN COUNTY WHO WANNA BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE LORD FAIRFAX PROGRAM.

SO THANK YOU.

UM, OF COURSE, YOU'LL SEE SOME NUMBERS THERE OF COMPLETED AG VERSUS ACTIVE AG.

SO DEFINITELY WANNA THANK MARK AND EMMA FOR JOINING US THIS EVENING TO GIVE YOU THIS PRESENTATION.

UM, WE DID WANNA START WITH JUST A QUICK, UM, NOTIFICATION.

I DON'T KNOW IF MANY OF YOU HAVE HEARD, UM, FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE BEEN ON THE BOARD FOR A WHILE, WHILE OUR PREVIOUS CHAIRMAN RICHARD HOOVER, PASSED AWAY IN MARCH VERY SUDDENLY, UM, I KNOW SOME OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH HIM.

UM, AND SO THAT WAS DEFINITELY A BIG LOSS THAT WE ARE FEELING ON OUR BOARD.

AND SO WE JUST WANTED TO TAKE A QUICK MOMENT AND JUST ACKNOWLEDGE ALL THE WORK THAT HE DID FOR US, FOR WARREN COUNTY, UM, FAR BEYOND CONSERVATION, BUT JUST EVERYTHING THAT HE PROVIDED TO THIS COMMUNITY.

UM, AND HE IS GREATLY MISSED, .

UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, I BROUGHT SOME SUPPLEMENTAL MATERIAL FOR YOU ALL JUST TO GIVE YOU KIND OF A CLEAR SNAPSHOT OF WHAT IS HAPPENING IN WARREN COUNTY.

AND YEARS PRIOR, YOU KNOW, I'VE PROVIDED A COPY OF THE ANNUAL REPORT AND A COUPLE DIFFERENT UPDATES.

UM, IT WAS VERY WORDY AND LONG, AND SO I WANTED TO CREATE JUST A ONE PAGER FOR YOU ALL.

UM, AND SO ON THE FRONT THERE, YOU'LL SEE A BY THE NUMBERS, AND I THINK THAT THOSE REALLY KIND OF SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.

WARREN COUNTY HAS HAD A GREAT YEAR, UM, LORD FAIRFAX, SOIL WATER HAS DONE A LOT OF SUPPORT, UM, IN WARREN COUNTY THROUGH EDUCATION, AG PROJECTS, URBAN PROJECTS, UM, JUST ACROSS THE BOARD.

UM, SO WE'LL START WITH EDUCATION JUST SINCE THAT'S UP AT THE TOP.

UM, THIS PAST YEAR WE SAW A GREAT INCREASE IN OUR EDUCATION NUMBERS.

UM, SO WE HAD OVER 2,500 DIFFERENT PARTICIPANTS WITHIN OUR SERVICE AREA.

OF COURSE, WE'VE SERVED SHENANDOAH, WARREN, CLARK, FREDERICK COUNTY, AND THEN THE CITY OF WINCHESTER.

570 OF THOSE WERE HERE IN WARREN COUNTY OVER 7 27 DIRECT CONTACT HOURS.

UM, I'LL LET DANA SPEAK TO THE AGRICULTURE ASPECT A LITTLE BIT MORE.

UM, AGAIN, BIG YEAR FOR AGRICULTURE IN WARREN COUNTY, WE HAD OVER $1.1 MILLION WORTH OF AGRICULTURAL PRACTICES GO INTO WARREN COUNTY ALONE.

STRUCTURAL PRACTICES, COVER CROP PRACTICES, UM, DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.

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SOMETIMES PROJECTS TAKE MORE THAN ONE YEAR TO BE COMPLETED.

SO THAT COMPLETED PRACTICES ARE SPECIFICALLY THE PRACTICES THAT WERE COMPLETED LAST YEAR, WHEREAS ACTIVE IS ONGOING.

AND, AND YOU'VE SAID MOST, I'M DANA AUER.

I'M THE SUPERVISING CONSERVATION SPECIALIST WITH THE DISTRICT.

UM, AND ALLIE HAS SAID MOST OF WHAT I WOULD SAY ABOUT OUR AG WORK HERE, BUT THAT 1.1 MILLION, I'VE BEEN WITH THE DISTRICT ALMOST 12 YEARS, AND THAT'S PROBABLY THE, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT'S THE MOST WE'VE SPENT IN WARREN COUNTY.

IT'S BEEN, WE'VE HAD TREMENDOUS RESPONSE.

UM, AND YES, THE PROJECTS THAT WE WORK ON, LIKE EVERYTHING ARE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THEY WERE A DOZEN YEARS AGO.

UM, BUT WE'VE GOT A LOT OF INTEREST.

AND, AND THAT 1.1 ISN'T REFLECTIVE OF ALL THE WORK.

WE'VE GOT A COUPLE MORE PROJECTS THAT SOME OF MY COWORKERS ARE WORKING WITH FARMERS HERE IN WARREN COUNTY THAT WILL BE UP FOR FUNDING APPROVAL IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO.

UM, SO IT'LL PROBABLY BE ONE AND A HALF MILLION HERE BEFORE LONG .

UM, BUT YES, WE'VE DONE, UM, OVER 11,000 LINEAR FEET OF STREAM EXCLUSION.

UM, THE ACRES BENEFITED THAT YOU SEE THERE, THE 449, THAT'S ACRES OF COVER CROPS, THAT'S ACRES OF TREE PLANTINGS, THAT'S, UM, PASTURE ACRES THAT HAVE BEEN IMPROVED THROUGH ROTATIONAL GRAZING, UM, CROP LAND THAT'S BEEN CONVERTED TO HAY OR PASTURE.

SO IT'S USING LESS NUTRIENTS, ALL THAT SORT OF THING.

UM, AND THEN THE DOWN THERE AT THE BOTTOM WITH THE STORMWATER DRAINAGE PRETREATMENT, SOME OF YOU MAY REMEMBER THE VCAP PROGRAM.

IT'S A NEWER PROGRAM PROVIDED BY THE STATE, SPECIFICALLY GEARED TOWARDS NON-AGRICULTURAL LAND, PRIMARILY HOMEOWNERS.

SO WE DID HAVE ONE PROJECT COMPLETED HERE IN WARREN COUNTY.

IT'S WHAT WE CALL A CONSERVATION LANDSCAPING.

AND SO THAT IS THE AREA THAT ALL OF THE WATER, UM, DRAINS THROUGH THAT PROPERTY FROM.

UM, AND SO IDEALLY IS HAVING SOME IMPROVEMENT THERE WITH THAT CONSERVATION LANDSCAPING ON THE BACK OF THIS ONE PAGER.

IT'S JUST A COUPLE HIGHLIGHTS FOR WARREN COUNTY.

UM, I LIKE TO ALWAYS, UM, GIVE SHOUT OUTS TO THE GOOD STUFF THAT WE'VE DONE IN THE COUNTY.

UM, SO EARTH DAY, FRONT ROYAL, UM, GREAT COMMUNITY WIDE EVENT THAT WE'VE PARTICIPATED IN FOR THE PAST COUPLE YEARS.

YOU CAN SEE A PICTURE OF THAT CONSERVATION LANDSCAPING RIGHT AFTER IT WAS PLANTED.

UM, I NEED TO GO BACK THIS UPCOMING SUMMER WHEN IT'S ALL FULL AND LUSCIOUS, AND I'LL MAKE SURE TO SHARE THOSE UPDATES WITH YOU GUYS AGAIN.

UM, DOMINION ENERGY, IT'S A NATURAL RESOURCES CONSERVATION, UM, COMPETITION FOR HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS.

WE HAD TWO DIFFERENT TEAMS FROM WARREN COUNTY HIGH SCHOOL THIS PAST YEAR.

UM, EXCITED TO WORK WITH THEM.

IT WAS ONLY THEIR SECOND YEAR COMPETING, AND I THINK THAT THEY GOT FIFTH PLACE OUT OF THE NINE TEAMS, WHICH IS PRETTY GOOD.

UM, REALLY PROUD OF THEM AND PROUD OF THEIR TEACHERS FOR WORKING WITH THEM TO GET THOSE READY FOR THAT COMPETITION.

THOSE LAST TWO, UH, BITS THERE ARE HIGHLIGHTING SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS, THE AGRICULTURAL PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN COMPLETED.

UM, YOU CAN SEE A LARGE STREAM EXCLUSION AND TREE PLANTING THERE.

AND THEN ANOTHER LARGE STREAM EXCLUSION.

UM, ONE OF OUR STAFF MEMBERS HAS, HAS A DRONE.

SO WE'VE BEEN REALLY LIKING THE DRONE PHOTOS HERE LADY LATELY.

SO THAT'S A, AN AERIAL PHOTO OF ONE OF THE PONDS, UM, THAT HAS BEEN FENCED OUT.

AND THAT LANDOWNER, THIS IS ACTUALLY HIS SECOND TIME WORKING WITH US.

UM, IF YOU READ THOSE STATS THERE, UM, HE'S EXCLUDED OVER 24,000 LINEAR FEET OF WATERWAYS ON HIS PROPERTY, WHICH IS INCREDIBLE.

WHEN WE WERE HERE LAST YEAR, AND FORGIVE ME, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO IT WAS, UM, ONE OF YOU ASKED FOR A MORE CONDENSED VERSION OF OUR BUDGET.

WE KNOW OUR BUDGET CAN BE PRETTY DIFFICULT TO LOOK THROUGH SINCE THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT POTS OF MONEY, UM, COMING THROUGH FROM THE STATE THAT HAVE DESIGNATED USES FOR THE STATE COST SHARE PROGRAMS AND NOT SO MUCH AFFILIATED WITH THOSE COUNTY FUNDS.

UM, AND SO I TRIED MY BEST TO PUT THIS TOGETHER.

I WILL APOLOGIZE.

OUR ADMIN SECRETARY IS ON MEDICAL LEAVE, AND SO I WAS TRYING TO CONDENSE THIS AS MUCH AS I COULD, UM, TO HELP YOU ALL SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THOSE EXCLUSIVE COUNTY FUNDS.

UM, AND SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS WITH THAT, I CAN TRY MY BEST TO ANSWER THOSE.

UM, BUT WE, WE'VE KNOWN THAT IT'S BEEN DIFFICULT IN THE PAST TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT WHICH POTS OF MONEY GO WHERE SINCE WE DO HAVE THAT STATE INFLUENCE.

BUT THIS LISTS SPECIFICALLY WHAT COUNTY FUNDS PAY FOR, UM, THAT THE STATE FUNDS CANNOT PAY FOR, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

LOOKS GOOD.

THANK YOU, .

I WAS CRUNCHING NUMBERS TODAY.

IT WAS, IT WAS ME AND EXCEL TODAY.

WERE REALLY BECOMING BEST FRIENDS.

, THIS, THIS MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

SO YOU'LL SEE SUPPORT STAFF SALARIES.

AND SO FOR EXAMPLE, HALF OF MY SALARY COMES FROM COUNTY FUNDS.

UM, YES, I DO EDUCATION STUFF, BUT I ALSO DO A LOT OF INFORMATION

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AND OUTREACH.

SO REALLY THAT FACE ASPECT OF CONNECTING WITH FARMERS, GOING TO EVENTS, GOING TO THE FARM BUREAU MEETINGS, UM, MAKING THE FLYERS OF THE DIFFERENT PRACTICES, TALKING TO OUR LOCAL MEDIA ABOUT DOING PRESS RELEASES, ABOUT THE PRACTICES, STUFF LIKE THAT.

THAT'S ALL KIND OF LOOPED INTO THERE.

AND YOU'LL SEE A COUPLE MORE THINGS, UM, ON THERE AS WELL, SPECIFICALLY WITH THE EDUCATION AND OUTREACH BUDGET.

UM, BUT WE JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A MORE HONED IN OUTLINE OF WHAT THOSE COUNTY FUNDS LOOK LIKE.

I'M SORRY WE DIDN'T GET IT TO YOU WITH THE ORIGINAL PACKET, BUT LIKE I SAID, WE'VE BEEN WORKING HARD TO COVER A BIG, A BIG ROLE IN OUR DISTRICT OPERATIONS, SO WELL, AND, AND THE OPERATION, THE DISTRICT OPERATIONS FIGURE PROBABLY LOOKS A LITTLE STRANGE TO YOU, UM, ONLY BEING $7,700, BUT WE DO SHARE OFFICE SPACE.

WE ARE CO-LOCATED WITH USDA, SO THE STRASSBURG SERVICE CENTER HOUSES, THE NATURAL RESOURCES CONSERVATION SERVICE, THE FARM SERVICE AGENCY, AND US, WHICH IS A GREAT BENEFIT TO OUR PRODUCERS BECAUSE A LOT OF THE PROGRAMS KIND OF OVERLAP AND FOLKS COME IN AND IT'S A ONE-STOP SHOP.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF INFLUENCES THE FACT THAT THAT'S A PRETTY LOW NUMBER.

BUT WE STILL HAVE OUR OWN, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR OWN PHONES, OUR OWN FUEL IN OUR VEHICLES, UM, THE, THE COST OF OUR OFFICE SUPPLIES AND OUR PRINTER AND ALL OF THAT STUFF IS SEPARATE FROM THEM.

AND SO ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE SOME OF WHAT YOU SEE IN THAT LAST LINE.

SO REALLY JUST WANNA REITERATE, YOU KNOW, THAT WITHOUT COUNTY SUPPORTS AND WITHOUT THE SUPPORT FROM YOU ALL, UM, GETTING THE BOOTS ON THE GROUND AND GETTING THE CONSERVATION IN THE GROUND WOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE.

SO AGAIN, I JUST WANNA ECHO, UM, WHAT MARK SAID, AND THANK YOU ALL AGAIN, UM, FOR YOUR SUPPORT FOR COMING TO OUR EVENTS AND, UM, REALLY SHOWING YOUR SUPPORT OF US AS WE KEEP WORKING YEAR TO YEAR TO, YOU KNOW, PROTECT WATER QUALITY, PROTECT SOIL HEALTH, WORKING WITH AGRICULTURAL LANDOWNERS, HOMEOWNERS, ANYONE THAT'S INTERESTED IN CONSERVATION.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO.

I HAVE JUST A CURIOSITY ON, ON, UH, YEAR TO DATE FOR 20 24, 25, YOUR EXPENSES ARE AT 200, ABOUT FOUR, 200, 4,000, AND THE PROJECTED IS 828, AND WE'RE A LITTLE OVER HALFWAY THROUGH FISCAL YEAR.

WE DO HAVE THE PACKET THAT WAS SUBMITTED, PAGE FIVE OF SIX, UH, UNDER FINANCIAL INFORMATION MM-HMM .

YES, I'M WITH YOU.

SO WE'RE, YEAH, YOU'RE ABOUT, YOU'RE A LITTLE MORE THAN HALFWAY THROUGH THE FISCAL YEAR, RIGHT? MM-HMM .

SO IS THAT, IS THERE A, A LAG FACTOR OR, UH, HOW DO YOU GET TO THE 8 28? SO A LOT OF THAT IS THE PERSONNEL, UM, EX THE PERSONNEL EXPENDITURES THAT ARE DIRECTLY TIED TO THOSE STATE COST SHARE FUNDS.

SO IN OUR OFFICE, THERE ARE SIX AND A HALF CONSERVATION SPECIALISTS.

UM, AND THAT MONEY COMES FROM THE STATE WITH THOSE AG COST SHARE MONIES THAT ARE TIED DIRECTLY TO THEIR STAFF SALARIES.

UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE IS TIED INTO THAT TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.

UM, BUT I KNOW A BIG PORTION OF THAT IS THAT, SO THE WE'LL WILL, DO YOU REALLY EXPECT 600,000 MORE EXPENDITURES BETWEEN NOW AND, AND END OF JUNE? OH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE 2 0 3 AND THE EIGHT? WELL, THE, THE, THE, THERE'S A YEAR TO DATE AND THEY'RE PROJECTED FOR 24 25 AT ON PAGE 5 0 6 MM-HMM .

THE TOTAL EXPENSES NUMBER, THE 8 2 8, WELL, THERE'S 2 0 3 9 83 MM-HMM .

IS THE, ARE YOU ACTUALLY GONNA HAVE 8 28 OF EXPENSE MM-HMM .

AND THE 8 2 8, NOPE.

LIKE I SAID, UH, WE, THIS IS PREPARED BY OUR ADMIN SPECIALIST.

I DON'T DO, YOU KNOW? WELL, SO PART OF THOSE, UM, THE REVENUES ARE, UM, TIED TO THE AMOUNT OF COST SHARE, STATE COST SHARE DOLLARS THAT WE ALLOCATE.

AND SO UNTIL WE GET TO THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR AND SEE, WE GET A TOTAL OF LIKE THIS YEAR AT 7.7 MILLION AVAILABLE FOR OUR DISTRICT TO ALLOCATE TO PRODUCERS.

AND FOR EVERY DOLLAR OF THAT, THAT GETS ALLOCATED TO A PRODUCER, THEN THE DISTRICT GETS A PERCENTAGE OF THAT AS TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE.

AND THAT'S WHAT'S USED TO PAY SALARIES FOR OUR TECHNICAL STAFF.

UM, SO UNTIL WE GET TO THE END OF THE YEAR, WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH, LIKE THERE'S A, A TOTAL AMOUNT THAT WE COULD GET IF WE ALLOCATED ALL 7.7 MILLION.

IS THAT WHAT THE 8 28 IS BASED ON THE PROJECTED SHOULD BE? I'M JUST GENERAL, I'M JUST GENERALLY YEAH.

SEEING ABOUT OUR FUNDING IS ABOUT A QUARTER OF THE MONEY USED IN HALF THE YEAR.

AND

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BY THE END OF THE YEAR? THAT'S THE BASIC QUESTION.

I MEAN, YEAH.

I, I THINK HAVING, HAVING DONE SOME OF THESE PROGRAMS, UM, ONE OF THE PROGRAMS THAT THEY HAVE ARE, UM, WHERE THEY, YOU CAN GET INTO THE PROGRAM IF YOU CURRENTLY HAVE SAY CATTLE AND THEY, THEY'RE WATER SOURCE IS A POND, THEN THERE'S A PROGRAM SO THAT YOU CAN EITHER FENCE OFF THAT POND SO THEY'RE NOT GETTING IN IT BECAUSE OF THE POTENTIAL RUNOFF, UM, THAT COULD GET INTO A TRIBUTARY, UM, OR CREEK OR SOMETHING AND GET IN THE RIVER.

THEY'RE TRYING TO PROTECT THE WATERSHED AND THEY WILL, UM, DRILL A WELL.

AND WHEN WE DID IT, I THINK IT WAS 75%, I THINK IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT NOW, ISN'T IT AN OPTION FOR IT TO BE A HUNDRED PERCENT.

SO IF YOU QUALIFY FOR THAT, THEY, THEY, THE TECHNICAL SUPPORT THERE IS WALKING YOU THROUGH THE PROCESS OF THE PAPERWORK AND ALL THAT, AND THEN THEY ACTUALLY COME OUT AND HELP YOU FIGURE OUT WHERE IT'S GONNA GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO COMPLETION.

AND THEN I THINK FOR 15 YEARS YOU COME OUT AND INSPECT IT TO MAKE SURE IT'S BEING MAINTAINED QUITE, YOU KNOW, AND ALL OF THAT.

SO I'M ASSUMING THAT'S THE TECHNICAL SUPPORT OF THAT MONEY.

SO THEY WILL GET $7 MILLION IS WHAT THEY SAID, AND THEN IT DEPENDS ON HOW MANY FARMERS TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.

SO, SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF FARMERS TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS THIS YEAR.

SO IT'S, IT'S D WHITTLING DOWN THAT $7 MILLION.

UM, AND THAT'S WHERE YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB OF GETTING THE WORD OUT.

A LOT OF FARMERS, ESPECIALLY THE OLDER FARMERS, THEY'RE LEERY OF THESE THINGS BECAUSE THEY'RE LIKE, OH, WHERE'S THE CATCH? YOU'RE GONNA GIVE ME PAY A HUNDRED PERCENT TO GET ME A WATER SYSTEM OTHER THAN MY POND? THERE'S GOTTA BE A CATCH.

SO YOU KIND OF HAVE TO TALK 'EM IN TO SOMETHING NEW.

AND IT, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE MAYBE WE'RE GETTING SOME YOUNGER POPULATION WITH THE FARMERS, AND THEY'RE A LITTLE, I KNOW WHEN WE TOOK OVER RUNNING THE FARM, THERE WAS A LOT OF GRIEF OVER THE, THE WAY WE THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA DO IT VERSUS THE WAY IT HAD BEEN DONE FOR ALL THEIR LIFETIME, AND THEY WERE IN THEIR EIGHTIES.

SO, UM, KUDOS TO YOU THAT YOU'VE, YOU KNOW, TALKED PEOPLE INTO PARTICIPATING.

AND, AND THAT WAS A GOOD EXPLANATION.

AND, AND THE TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE DOLLARS THAT THE DISTRICT GETS THAT ARE TIED TO THE COST SHARE DOLLARS ARE EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN SUPPORT OF THE STAFF TIME IT TAKES TO ADMINISTER THOSE CONTRACTS TO GO OUT TO MEET WITH FOLKS, TO CONVINCE THEM THAT YES, THIS IS SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THERE ISN'T A CATCH.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN HELP YOU DO TO MAKE YOUR OPERATION BETTER AND PROTECT WATER QUALITY.

UM, AND THE STAFF TIME IT TAKES TO DO THE PAPERWORK, DO THE SURVEYING, UM, DRAFT THE ENGINEERING DESIGNS.

WE DO ALL THAT IN-HOUSE FOR ALL, BUT THE MOST COMPLEX THINGS.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T SIGN OFF ON BUILDING PLANS, BUT WE DO PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING ELSE.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S ALL THE PHONE CALLS FROM PANICKED CONTRACTORS, THE PHONE CALLS FROM PANICKED LANDOWNERS, YOU KNOW, HEY, WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HITTING A LOT OF ROCK.

WHERE DO I NEED YOU TO COME OUT? OKAY, I'LL BE THERE.

UM, SO IT, IT'S ALL OF THAT IS WHAT THAT TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE DOLLARS TAKES CARE OF.

I HAVE ONE QUESTION.

SO YOUR INCREASE IS GOING TO OPERATIONS MM-HMM .

AND SO WHEN I LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, WHICH NOW IS REALLY BLURRY, SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S MY LAPTOP FOR MY EYES, BUT YOU HAVE OPERATIONAL COSTS OF, I THINK IT'S $122,000.

IS THAT THE LAST PAGE? OH MY GOODNESS.

THE LAST PAGE OR, YEAH.

I, I THINK, LIKE I SAID, I'M LOOKING AT, IT'S ALL BLURRY.

UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ME OR THE, UM, OR MY LAPTOP.

HERE'S A BIG ONE.

HERE'S A BIG VERSION.

YOU GOT A BIG ONE.

OH, THAT LOOKS BETTER.

SO, UM, ON PAGE FIVE OF SIX, FIVE OF SIX, AND YOU HAVE PERSONNEL COSTS FOR SEVEN OR 90 K, YOU HAVE OPERATIONS FOR 112 K.

SO THE INCREASE THAT YOU'RE ASKING, WHICH IS WHAT, 20 5K OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? NOT 25, 2000 MM-HMM .

UM, THAT'S GOING AGAINST THE 120, THE 112 K OPERATIONS, CORRECT? YES.

IT'S NOT FEEDING INTO ANY SALARIES OR PERSONNEL WHATSOEVER.

COOL.

JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND.

THANKS.

YES, MA'AM.

DOES ALL THE BUDGETS AND HELPS US WITH THE NUMBERS PART OF THE BUDGET REQUEST.

AND LIKE I SAID, IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS, UM, WE'LL BE THE FIRST TO TELL YOU THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT THE NUMBERS FOLKS IN OUR OFFICE, BUT WE CAN, UM, TRY TO GET IN TOUCH WITH OUR ADMINISTRATIVE SPECIALIST.

SHE'S THE ONE THAT

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AND SO, UM, SHE IS, UM, WE CAN ABSOLUTELY TRY TO HELP FILL IN THE GAPS WITH HER, UM, JUST TO TRY TO HELP, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE JUST, WE'RE TRYING TO FILL IN THOSE SHOES WHILE SHE'S OUT FOR JUST A LITTLE BIT.

UM, BUT WE CAN TRY TO FIGURE THOSE OUT IF YOU DO HAVE ANY MORE DETAILED QUESTIONS THAT YOU'D LIKE ANSWERED.

WE HAVE ANYBODY FROM THE, UH, HUMANE SOCIETY HERE YET? I DON'T BELIEVE THEY'RE GONNA BE HERE TO SEE.

THANK YOU ALL.

APPRECIATE THE TIME, UM, AND YOUR TIME THIS EVENING, SO THANK YOU AGAIN.

OH, THANK YOU.

SO DO

[D. Humane Society of Warren County - FY26 Budget Request]

AND, UH, HOW ABOUT THE WARREN COUNTY PUBLIC HEALTH DEPARTMENT? WELL, OH, I'M SORRY.

YEAH, I JUST WANNA POINT SOMETHING OUT HERE FOR THE, UM, UH, THE HUMANE SOCIETY.

SO, SO THEIR INCREASE, UH, FOR NEXT YEAR WAS BASED ON THEIR CONTRACT MM-HMM .

SO THE, THE INCREASE FOR, UH, FROM THE TWO 40 TO THE 4 25 THAT'S IN THEIR CONTRACT, IS THAT CORRECT? SO WE'RE OBLIGATED FOR THAT 3% INCREASE.

YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT.

THEY'RE ASKING FOR ANOTHER EXTRA TIME AND NOW THEY'RE ASKING FOR AN ADDITIONAL $10,000 THAT ARE OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE ORIGINALLY CONTRACTED WITH THEM YEAH.

UM, LAST YEAR.

SO I JUST WANNA POINT THAT OUT TO THE BOARD.

UM, AND I THINK THE NATURAL QUESTION FOR THEM IS THE SAME ONE THAT, THAT, UH, DR.

JAMESON ASKED TO THE WATER AND CONSERVATION, OR SOIL AND CONSERVATION DISTRICT, WHICH IS YOUR YEAR TO DATE, AND EVEN THEY'RE PROJECTED, UM, DON'T SEEM TO ALIGN WITH THE FUNDING REQUEST.

AND, UH, IT'S A PRETTY BIG DIFFERENCE.

SO ARE WE GOING TO, UH, SCHEDULE 'EM TO COME BACK ON ANOTHER WORK SESSION, OR THIS IS JUST THE ONLY OPPORTUNITY THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS? THE INTENTION IS THAT THEY BECOME AVAILABLE IN THE FUTURE.

THAT WOULD BE GOOD.

BUT THE BOARD HAS THE OPTION OF PUTTING THEIR HEADS TOGETHER AND TALKING ABOUT THIS AS THEY WISH YOU DON'T MAKE THE ACTUAL ALLOCATIONS UNTIL MARCH.

SO WE, UM, AND THAT'S WHEN WE DECIDE IF WE ARE GOING TO INCREASE THEIR BUDGET BY 10 K.

WELL, IF THEY WANNA COME BACK, IF WE CAN SQUEEZE THEM IN, I'D, I'D LIKE TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR THEIR, UM, THEIR BUDGET PRESENTATION, BUT IF NOT, IT'S OKAY.

NO, NO, I, I, I'D VERY MUCH LIKE TO HEAR THAT BECAUSE OF THE, UH, THE, THE INCREASE THERE AND, AND, UH, SOME OF THE, THE PRESSURES THAT WE'RE FEELING AS FAR AS BUDGET GOES.

AND I THINK THAT'D BE A, THAT'D BE A GOOD IDEA.

UH, JUST CURIOUS, DID THEY, DID, DID YOU KNOW THEY WEREN'T GONNA BE HERE TONIGHT? WE FOUND OUT TODAY THEY WERE NOT COMING TO SEE YOU.

SO, SO THE, UH, SO THE NEXT STEP IS THE, UH, THE PUBLIC HEALTH DEPARTMENT.

AND ARE THEY SCHEDULED TO START AT SIX OR SIX OR 6, 6 30? WE'RE AT SIX 30.

OH, WOW.

SO, SO WE'RE WAY AHEAD.

YOU'VE GOT A FEW MINUTES AND WE CAN GET, WELL, YOU COULD START A LOT OF YOUR AGENDA HERE.

MEADOWS COULD TALK TO YOU ABOUT YOUR, UH, 2004 24 GOALS.

DO THAT.

WELL, THIS MAKE GOOD USE OF OUR TIME.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS? NO.

AND, UH, AND I, I APPRECIATE, UH, UH, MS. COLORS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE COMMENTS THAT YOU WERE, YOU WERE MAKING, BECAUSE A LOT OF THE STUFF, AS FAR AS THE FARMING GOES, I, I KIND OF UNDERSTAND IT, BUT WHEN YOU EXPLAIN IT, IT, IT HELPS ME TO UNDERSTAND A LOT MORE.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

WE, UM, I THINK IT WAS 2010, WE WERE, UM, FARMER, CONSERVATION FARMER OF THE YEAR.

SO WE'VE DONE A LOT OF PROGRAMS, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PROTECT THE ENVIRONMENT AS MUCH AS WE CAN IS, UM, WHICH IS IMPORTANT ALONG WITH FARMING.

AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO IT WITHOUT THE SUPPORT OF THE PROGRAMS THAT THE, THROUGH THE LORD FAIRFAX SOIL AND WATER, UM, FENCING AND ALL OF THAT.

IT'S, IT'S A HUGE EXPENSE

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EDGE.

A COUPLE OF MY NEIGHBORS JUST TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THAT REPAIRING FENCING.

THEY HAVE A A YEAR ROUND STREAM THAT GOES RIGHT INTO THE SHENANDOAH RIVER MM-HMM .

AND, UH, IT LOOKS GREAT.

AND THE COWS ARE NOW NOT WAITING IN THE STREAM.

AND IT'S GOOD.

THE ONE PROJECT, AND I'M SORRY, IT, IT, I KNOW ONE OF THE AREAS OF CONCERN WAS ALONG MANASSAS RUN, AND I NOTICED IN THE INFORMATION THEY GAVE US, SOME OF THAT FENCING WAS DONE ALONG MANASSAS RUN.

SO HOPEFULLY THAT WILL HELP WITH THAT RIVER CONTAMINATION THERE.

SO, NICE TO KNOW.

Y YOU KNOW, THE, UH, UH, I USED TO THINK THAT, UH, THAT CON CONSERVATION WAS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT, UH, I'M NOT REAL SURE ABOUT.

BUT ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS GO INTO, INTO WESTERN KENTUCKY AND SEE SOME OF THE AREAS THAT, UH, THAT THEY DID THE STRIP MINING PRIOR TO 1977.

WHAT A WRECK.

UH, SO THAT MAKES YOU APPRECIATE THE, UH, THE EFFORTS THAT THEY, THAT THEY DO FOR THE, THE CONSERVATION.

YOU READY MA'AM?

[E. Warren County Public Health Department - FY26 Budget Request]

SO I GAVE EACH OF YOU A COPY OF BASICALLY WHAT WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH THE PAST SIX MONTHS, UM, IN BLUE.

THAT IS THE BASICALLY CHANGES IN THE LAST QUARTER.

UM, SO FOR PRIORITY ONE, WHICH IS THE FIRE AND RESCUE STRATEGIC PLAN, UM, THE STAFFING STUDY WAS AWARDED TO MATRIX CONSULTING AND THEY ACTUALLY HAVE STARTED TO WORK ON THEIR TIMEFRAME FOR THE PROJECT.

UM, IT'S ROLLING OUT NEXT WEEK, BASICALLY.

UM, THEY'RE STARTING TO HAVE THEIR MEETINGS WITH THE DIFFERENT, UM, KEY STAKEHOLDERS AND WE'LL BE GOING THROUGH THAT FULL STAFFING STUDY.

UM, AND IT WILL BE A SIX MONTH PROJECT THEY'RE ANTICIPATING IN JUNE, THEY'LL HAVE THE, UM, SUMMARY REPORT AND THAT WILL ACTUALLY DRIVE A LOT OF OTHER THINGS WITHIN THIS PROJECT.

SO IT'S ON TRACK AND MOVING FORWARD.

UM, I DO WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO, UM, ALYSSA'S TEAM.

KIMBERLY DID A GREAT JOB IN REALLY GETTING THROUGH THAT RFP, SO THANK YOU SO MUCH.

UM, WITH THE CANCER PROTECTION, UM, INITIATIVE THIS YEAR, THE FOCUS HAS BEEN ON A SECOND SET OF, UM, TURNOUT GEAR, UM, THAT PPE HAS BEEN ACTUALLY MEASURED AND ORDERED.

UM, AND THEN, UM, THE EARLY CANCER SCREENINGS, THE FIRE AND RESCUE DEPARTMENT ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH THEIR SCREENINGS IN DECEMBER.

SO THEY HAD, UM, 68, UM, PARTICIPANTS GO THROUGH THE SCREENINGS AND, UM, THEY ARE LOOKING AT IF FUNDING IS AVAILABLE TO BE ABLE TO REALLY EXPAND IT TO THE VOLUNTEERS AS WELL.

UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT WHAT'S AVAILABLE FOR THE REMAINDER OF 25 AND THEN POTENTIALLY 26 IN ORDER TO DO THAT.

UM, AND IT WOULD NOT BE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, IT WOULD BE EVERY TWO YEARS IN ORDER TO REALLY PROVIDE THAT SERVICE AND, UM, YET STILL BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE.

UM, WITH ALSO WITHIN THE CANCER PROTECTION, UM, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF LOOKING AT EXPANDING, UM, SALES SPENDING, WASHING MACHINES AND DRYING RACKS, UM, FOR EQUIPMENT.

SO WITH TURNOUT GEAR, WE CURRENTLY HAVE ONE PLACE TO WASH AND DRY IT CURRENTLY ACROSS THE STREET.

UM, SO WHEN YOU HAVE, UM, BASICALLY SEVEN DIFFERENT STATIONS DOING IT ALL IN ONE LOCATION, IT MAKES FOR THINGS THAT YOU CAN'T FIND, IT TAKES A COUPLE DAYS TO DRY.

AND SO THEY'RE LOOKING AT ACTUALLY HAVING TWO DIFFERENT CENTRALIZED LOCATIONS TO THE STATIONS IN THOSE AREAS IN ORDER TO HELP, UM, AID WITH THAT AND THAT INITIATIVE.

UM, I BELIEVE MICKEY'S PROBABLY WORKING WITH KIMBERLY RIGHT NOW IN ORDER TO GET THROUGH THAT.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THE FIRE AND RESCUE INITIATIVES? SKIPPED OVER A FEW.

IS THAT JUST, THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY UPDATE.

THOSE ARE THE ONES I SKIPPED OVER.

JUST ONE QUESTION.

UM, ON THE STUDY, I KNOW, UM, YOU SAID THEY'RE GONNA GET STARTED NEXT WEEK.

I ASSUME THEY'RE GONNA REACH OUT TO EACH OF US 'CAUSE I KNEW WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE PART OF THE, THEY'LL BE GOING THROUGH, I THINK ALL OF THE VOLUNTEER CHIEFS, THE BOARD MEMBERS, AND I'M NOT SURE WHO ELSE, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE KIND OF PHASE IS.

'CAUSE THERE WILL BE A PHASE APPROACHED, UM, IN ORDER TO HIT ALL OF THE STAKEHOLDERS IN THE STUDY.

UM, MS. MEADOWS MM-HMM .

ON THE, UM, CANCER PROTECTION, YOU UH, MENTIONED EXPANDING TO THE VOLUNTEERS ON A BIANNUAL BASIS.

ARE THE, UH, CAREER STAFF ON AN ANNUAL BASIS SET.

SO WHAT'S THE COST DIFFERENCE, UH, FOR TO A, TO ADD VOLUNTEERS ANNUALLY VERSUS BI-ANNUALLY? UM, THAT'S A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED.

SO WE ARE LOOKING AT WHAT CONSTITUTES A VOLUNTEER AND AN OPERATIONAL STATUS.

UM, IS IT SOMEONE WHO VOLUNTEERS ON ONE CALL OR IS IT A CERTAIN NUMBER OF

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CALLS? YEAH.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PINPOINT IN ORDER TO SEE, YOU KNOW, IS IT YOU RAN ONE CALL WITH EMS MM-HMM .

OR IS IT YOU HAVE TO RESPOND TO A FIRE CALL? UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY NEED TO DEFINE A LITTLE BETTER MM-HMM .

IN ORDER TO DETERMINE THAT.

BECAUSE IT COST ROUGHLY, I THINK IT WAS $684 PER PERSON FOR THE FULL PHYSICAL, INCLUDING THE CANCER SCREENING.

I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THE, THE DILEMMA, UH RIGHT.

I DO WANT TO HOPEFULLY TAKE CARE OF THE VOL, THE VOLUNTEERS WERE ACTUALLY FIGHTING FIRES ON A REGULAR BASIS AND GETTING ALL THAT STOOD AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THESE, THESE CANCERS ARE HAPPENING VERY QUICKLY NOW MM-HMM .

SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, ANNUAL WOULD BE IDEAL.

AND I THINK IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU DON'T THINK ABOUT AS A VOLUNTEER AFTER A FIRE, PROBABLY MORE LIKELY TO THROW YOUR GEAR IN YOUR PERSONAL VEHICLE, UM, THAN LEAVING IT AT A STATION.

SO THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT IT DEFINITELY SOMETHING YOU NEEDS TO BE FOLLOWED UP ON.

IF, IF NOTHING ELSE, MAYBE A COST SHARE TO GET 'EM MANUALLY.

I KNOW PERSONALLY I, I PITCH IN HALF IF THE COUNTY COULD DO THAT.

UM, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE RATIONALE IF I ONLY GO INTO A BURNING HOUSE TWICE A YEAR VERSUS PAID OR MORE FREQUENTLY.

BUT I AGREE TOO.

I DON'T LIKE, I DON'T LIKE DIFFERENTIATING THEY'RE, THEY'RE VOLUNTEERING AND WE NEED TO PROTECT THEM AS WELL.

UM, AND I DID FAIL TO MENTION THAT, UM, WE EXPANDED THE, UM, FIRE MARSHALS.

SO WE HAVE FOUR DIFFERENT FIRE MARSHALS THAT SERVE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND THEY USED TO WEAR BASICALLY JUST A COVERALL WHEN THEY'RE GOING INTO, UM, A BUILDING AFTERWARDS.

SO THAT WAS NOT PROVIDING REALLY ANY PROTECTION, UM, OTHER THAN MAYBE FROM A SCRATCH.

AND SO WE HAVE ACTUALLY, UM, OUTFITTED THEM WITH THE APPROPRIATE, UM, PROTECTION.

SO I THINK THEY HAVE ALL RECEIVED THOSE NOW AND ARE UTILIZING THE, UM, APPROPRIATE GEAR, UM, WHEN THEY'RE DOING INVESTIGATIONS.

UM, THE NEXT PROJECT IS THE FIVE YEAR PUBLIC SAFETY NEEDS ASSESSMENT PLAN.

THIS ONE IS ONE THAT PROBABLY HAS NOT HAD AS MUCH TRACTION AS WE'D HOPED.

UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT A JOINT TRAINING FACILITY, UM, BETWEEN FIRE AND RESCUE AND THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.

UM, BOTH A SHORT TERM AND LONG TERM SOLUTION.

UM, INITIALLY A THOUGHT WAS TO UTILIZE THE TOWNS RANGE WITH SOME MINIMAL, UM, MODIFICATIONS IN ORDER TO HAVE IT BETTER SUIT OUR NEEDS.

UM, WITH SOME OF THE LEADERSHIP CHANGES IN THE TOWN, IT'S KIND OF PUT THAT ON A HOLD FOR A LITTLE WHILE.

UM, AND THEN THE FIRE CHIEF AND THE SHERIFF, THEY ARE PLANNING ON VISITING VARIOUS LOCATIONS.

I THINK, UM, IN PENNSYLVANIA, ONE OF THE COMMUNITY COLLEGES THERE HAS A PRETTY EXTENSIVE, UM, TRAINING FACILITY.

UM, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE INTERESTED IN LOOKING AT FROM AN EDUCATIONAL PERSPECTIVE.

'CAUSE IF WE'RE ABLE TO TIE IT INTO A LARGER, UM, REGIONAL FACILITY, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE SOMETHING THAT, HOW DO WE UTILIZE OUR HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS WHO WANT TO GO INTO THIS FIELD AND REALLY EDUCATE THEM AND TRAIN THEM TO IT.

UM, AND ALSO UTILIZE IT FOR OUR CAREER PROFESSIONALS AS WELL.

UM, THEY'RE PLANNING ON GOING TO QUANTICO AND A COUPLE OTHERS THAT I THINK THE SHERIFF MENTIONED DURING THE BUILDING COMMITTEE MEETING.

AND I HAVE FORGOTTEN THEM.

, I'VE MET QUANTICO SOMEPLACE IN PENNSYLVANIA.

A COUPLE OTHERS.

SO IS A AREA SEVEN, IS THAT DEFINITELY OUT? I MEAN, THAT'S JUST OFF THE TABLE.

UNLESS THE NATIONAL GUARD SOMEHOW, SO THEY'RE PLANNING ON UTILIZING IT AS A TRAINING FACILITY FOR THEMSELVES.

SO I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT WOULD ALIGN WITH WHAT WE NEED, UM, BECAUSE I'M THINKING THAT WHAT THEY'RE TRAINING IS PROBABLY A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'RE TRAINING.

I'M, I'M JUST, UH, UH, IT'S, IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT THAT KIND OF LIKE SLIPPED OUT OF OUR HANDS.

BUT, UH, AND FROM SPEAKING WITH THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR FOR CLARK, THE PORTION OF PROPERTY THAT THEY OWN, THEY'RE PLANNING ON UTILIZING IT FOR SOME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UM, BUT NOT FOR A TRADING RANGE.

UM, WITH THE FACILITIES AND FACILITIES MANAGEMENT, YOU ALL APPROVED A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT PURCHASE A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.

DID YOU HAVE QUESTION? DID YOU YEAH.

OH, SORRY.

I DID.

SO WITH THE JOINT TRAINING FACILITY, IT'S IN BLUE AND IT'S A BRAND NEW ITEM.

SO MY QUESTION IS, WHEN WE MET AT THE BEGINNING OF LAST YEAR AND WE LAID OUT OUR PRIORITIES, WAS THIS ON THE ORIGINAL MM-HMM .

SO IT WAS JUST LEFT OFF FROM THE LAST NO, IT'S IN BLUE BECAUSE WE'VE MADE MOVE MOVEMENT WITH IT.

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WANTED TO UNDERSTAND THAT.

UM, WITH FACILITIES, SO AT THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING, I THINK PROBABLY ABOUT A MONTH AGO, MR. BERRY WAS ABLE TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE REGARDING THE, UM, HEATING AND AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEM THERE THAT, UM, THE UNIT WAS FAILING.

AND SO IT HAS BECOME A CRITICAL SITUATION.

SO WE ARE NOW INVESTING HALF A MILLION DOLLARS TO REPLACE IT.

THAT SHOULD BE REPLACED WITHIN THE NEXT FOUR MONTHS.

ROUGHLY.

WE'RE USING OUR CONTINGENCY FUND TO FUND THIS.

SO WE HAVE ZERO CONTINGENCY IN OUR BUDGET.

FOR, FOR THE FISCAL YEAR.

FOR THE FULL FISCAL YEAR.

THIS YEAR.

UM, THE, UM, EGRESS, UM, FOR SHENANDOAH SHORES, THERE REALLY HASN'T BEEN MUCH MOVEMENT WITH THAT.

UM, TODAY ACTUALLY, I THINK VDOT RELEASED AN UPDATE FOR THE SMART SCALE STUDY.

UM, NO REAL MOVEMENT THERE.

UM, ON WHERE YOU'RE, BECAUSE YOU KEEP LOSING, SORRY.

UM, PROJECT NUMBER THREE, PRIOR A PRIORITY THREE.

AND THE LAST TIME, UM, I ASKED 66 IS FEDERAL PROPERTY.

VDOT JUST, THEY PAY VDOT TO CLEAR IT AND MAINTAIN IT.

SO WE'RE WAITING ON THEM TO TELL US WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO.

AND OF COURSE, WE ALL KNOW GOVERNMENT MOVES IN SLOW MODE AND EXCEPT WHEN THEY RAISE TAXES.

XES, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? HOPEFULLY, HOPEFULLY IT, IT JUST OCCURRED TO ME, I KNOW SOMEONE WHO WAS JUST, UH, APPOINTED TO THE DOT FOR THE NEW ADMINISTRATION IN A PRETTY HIGH RANKING POSITION.

I'LL TALK TO HIM AND, AND SEE IF HE CAN PUSH THIS FROM ABOVE.

SO IT'S GOOD TO HAVE PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, IN PLACES LIKE THAT.

SO YEAH, HOPEFULLY THAT WORKS.

YEAH, DEFINITELY.

UM, WITH PRIORITY NUMBER FOUR, THIS IS THE, UM, FINANCIAL STRATEGY.

UM, AND IT'S A GOOD THING THAT MS. SCOTT'S HERE.

UM, SO THE, UM, FINANCE COMMITTEE HAS BEEN WORKING ON, UM, A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS.

AND PROBABLY LATER ON THIS MONTH OR THE BEGINNING OF FEBRUARY, THE, UM, LIKE MY BRAIN, THE, UM, VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT POLICY ON, UM, FISCAL MANAGEMENT WILL BE COMING BEFORE ALL OF YOU.

UM, IT'S BEEN THROUGH, UM, VARIOUS WORK SESSIONS WITH BOTH THE VOLUNTEER COMPANIES AND THE FINANCE COMMITTEE, AND I THINK THEY HAVE FINALIZED IT NOW.

AND SO IT SHOULD BE COMING TO YOU SHORTLY.

UM, AND THEN THE DEBT SERVICE, UM, DEBT BOOK AND CREDIT RATING.

YOU ALL RECEIVED AN UPDATE ON THAT, ACTUALLY NOVEMBER OF 23, UM, BY DAVENPORT, I THINK, WHEN MICHAEL WAS HERE.

AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, YOU HAVE YOUR EXPERT RIGHT OVER THERE NEXT TO DR.

DALEY , UM, WITH PROJECT NUMBER FIVE, UM, WITH TOURISM.

SO WE'VE HAD A FEW DIFFERENT CHANGES WITHIN TOURISM.

OUR TOURISM MANAGER MOVED TO ANOTHER DEPARTMENT WITHIN THE COUNTY, UM, ACTUALLY AT THE END OF DECEMBER.

AND SO WITH THAT SHIFT, WE HAVE DECIDED TO BLEND THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND TOURISM POSITION BACK TOGETHER.

UM, WITH THAT, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF UPDATING THE JOB DESCRIPTIONS AND PROBABLY THE BIGGEST THING IS THE TOURISM COMMITTEE.

SO IN JANUARY, UM, WE'LL ACTUALLY BE HAVING THIS SECOND MEETING TOMORROW, UM, REGARDING KIND OF THE DIRECTION OF TOURISM IN THE COUNTY AND SOME, UM, INPUT AND ADVICE FOR HOW TO DRIVE THAT.

I THINK YESTERDAY ACTUALLY WE HAD A, A GREAT MEETING WITH PARKS AND RECREATION REGARDING THE ROCKLAND PROJECT AND HOW SPORTS OR RECREATION TOURISM CAN ACTUALLY BE A GREAT DRIVER FOR THE COUNTY AS WELL.

SO THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT AVENUES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN ORDER TO DRIVE REVENUE THROUGH TOURISM.

SORRY, I JUST WANTED TO MM-HMM .

TO NO, GO AHEAD.

OH, AND, AND ALSO MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE THE FUNDS TO DO IT.

THAT GOES PART OF IT.

WOULD BE, WE, WE CAN DO IT ON THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE.

YOU KNOW, GOTTA GO LOOK AT ALL OF THIS AS A PORTFOLIO.

UM, BUT YEAH.

UH, FIRST OF, UH, WITH THE, THE TOURISM COMMITTEE, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE MEETING MINUTES POSTED SO ALL OF THE BOARD MEMBERS CAN SEE WHAT WAS DISCUSSED AT THESE MEETINGS? CERTAINLY WE CAN DO THAT.

SO, UM, SO IS THAT GONNA BE, HOW IS THAT GONNA BE DISTRIBUTED TO ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS? I CAN SEND IT, I SENT IT TO EVERYONE WHO WAS AT THE COMMITTEE MEETING AND EVERYONE WHO WAS NOT THERE.

SO I'LL JUST FORWARD IT TO THE BOARD.

DO YOU HAVE, UH, DO WE HAVE A TOURISM WEBSITE? YES, WE DO.

CAN YOU JUST POST THEM ON THAT? UM, NO, BECAUSE THE TOURISM WEBSITE SHOULD BE REALLY DRIVEN TO PEOPLE WHO ARE VISITING THE AREA, NOT FOR GOVERNMENT BUSINESS.

SO WE CAN POST IT ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE UNDER TOURISM.

YEAH, I MEAN, LIKE THE FINANCE AUDIT COMMITTEE, I MEAN, WE HAVE A WEBPAGE AND WE PUT OUR BYLAWS THERE, WE POST OUR AGENDAS, WE POST THE MEETING MINUTES ON THAT.

SO SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT

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THAT WOULD BE EASY THAN WE CAN JUST GO TO THE, THAT, THAT SITE AND THEN, AND READ IT.

AND IT SAVES YOU FOR HAVE TO REMEMBER TO SEND OUT MEETING MINUTES AND AGENDAS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

NOT PROBLEM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THE, UM, THE BOARD HAS TAKEN A POSITION THAT TOURISM IS GONNA BE ONE OF OUR PRIMARY SOURCES FOR REVENUE.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, KNOW WHAT'S WHAT'S BEING DISCUSSED IN THAT.

SO, UM, THEN WHEN YOU'RE GONNA BE COMBINING THE TOURISM POSITION, THE TWO POSITIONS INTO ONE.

SO I AM, I GATHER THAT THE NEW POSITION, THAT THE OKAY FOR THE, THE ALTER, AS THE MANAGER WENT TO THE NEW DEPARTMENT, WHICH I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT PERSON FI UH, FILLED AN OPEN VACANCY THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY THE BOARD, COULD BUDGET, RIGHT? CORRECT.

AND SO THE EXISTING POSITION THAT SHE, THAT THIS PERSON LEFT WAS ALSO APPROVED BY THE BOARD, CORRECT? RIGHT.

SO MY QUESTION IS, WELL, THE BOARD DOESN'T HAVE TO APPROVE THIS IN ANY MANNER.

IS IT JUST SOMETHING INTERNAL THAT'S GONNA BE TAKEN CARE OF? I, I, I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION.

DOESN'T MATTER TO ME.

'CAUSE ALL I, MY, MY CONCERN IS DO WE HAVE THE MONEY? WE DO HAVE THE MONEY, BUT IF YOU'D LIKE TO DIRECT YOUR YEAH.

I MEAN ATTENTION, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROCEDURE IS OR IF IT'S EVEN NEEDED.

SO IT'LL BE A, IT'LL BE A CONSOLIDATED POSITION.

AND WHEN WE GET, WHEN WE'RE FINISHED WITH THE JOB DESCRIPTION, WE'LL BE SUBMITTING THAT TO THE BOARD TO APPROVE BEFORE WE ADVERTISE.

SO WE'RE JUST BASICALLY APPROVING THE, THE DESCRIPTION OF THE NEW POSITION, CORRECT? NOT REALLY THE BUDGET OR RIGHT.

THE SALARY.

'CAUSE IT'S ALREADY PART OF THE BUDGET POSITION THAT'S IN THE BUDGET.

THAT'S CORRECT.

I AGREE.

I MEAN THE, THE POSITION, THERE'LL BE NO MORE POSITIONS.

IF ANYTHING, THERE'S A NET REDUCTION OF ONE POSITION, BECAUSE ORIGINALLY IN THE 24 BUDGET THAT'S, THERE WAS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR.

THAT'S CORRECT.

AND THERE WAS TOURISM DIRECTOR MM-HMM .

AND THE, WHEN THEY GRADE IT, THEY WILL BE BRINGING THAT BACK WITH THE JOB DESCRIPTION TO SAY THERE'S A TOURISM POSITION AT GRADE, WHATEVER THAT GRADE MAY BE.

JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND.

CAN, CAN YOU, UM, ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT ON, ON, I'M INTERESTED IN KNOWING WHETHER THOSE TWO POSITIONS HAVE A LOT OF OVERLAP IN TERMS OF FINDING A PERSON WHO'S BOTH A TOURISM MANAGER AND AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MANAGER, AND, AND IS IT POSSIBLE, IT'S ALWAYS POSSIBLE TO BREAK 'EM APART AGAIN LATER? RIGHT.

I MEAN, IF YOU'RE INTERVIEWING AND YOU, YOU HAVE A VERY STRONG ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CANDIDATE WHO'S MAYBE HASN'T DONE SO MUCH TOURISM.

I MEAN, IT IS ALMOST LIKE YOU, YOU CAN'T REALLY CHOOSE BETWEEN THE TWO.

BUT, BUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS REALLY AN, AN IN MY VIEW, AN UMBRELLA OVER SOMETHING.

AND IN TOURISM IS UNDER THAT UMBRELLA.

'CAUSE TOURISM IS IN THE REALM OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

SO YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE A SPECIALTY IN EITHER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OR TOURISM, WHICH A LOT OF TIMES IT'LL BE THE MARKETING SIDE OF TOURISM MM-HMM .

UM, BUT THE FOUNDATION IS THE SAME.

AND REALLY LOOKING FOR SOMEONE WHO IS THAT SELF-STARTER AND ABLE TO JUGGLE BOTH.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

AND WITH A LOT OF LOCALITIES, ESPECIALLY NOT YOUR FAIRFAX OR NORTHERN VIRGINIA, THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROLE DO BOTH.

BUT BECAUSE, BECAUSE I JUST WANNA SAY I THINK THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS A RATHER LONG, LONGER TERM, UM, PROPOSITION.

AND TOURISM HAS A POTENTIAL TO, TO GET GOING FASTER.

THAT'S MY MY VIEW.

UM, SO IF YOU WERE TO PRIORITIZE, LIKE WHAT CAN BE DONE THE FASTEST, IT MIGHT LEAN TOWARDS SOMEBODY WHO'S STRONG IN TOURISM, BUT IN TERMS OF, OF THE LONGER ARC, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN GENERAL, I MEAN, TOURISM IS A PART OF THAT PORTFOLIO.

RIGHT? IT'S MORE STRATEGIC ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SIDE.

I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT.

UH, I, I HAD A CHANCE TO, TO SPEAK WITH, UH, UM, UH, LADY, HER FIRST NAME IS SHERRY.

I CAN'T REMEMBER HER LAST NAME.

SHE'S OVER IN LURAY AND SHE'S WITH THE TOURISM OVER THERE.

AND SHE, SHE COMMENTED THAT WARREN COUNTY HAS, UH, SHE, SHE SAID, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTIES AROUND US ARE REALLY ENVIOUS BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SO MUCH TO OFFER IN THIS COUNTY.

YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT, UH, YOU'VE GOT, UH, ANDY GAS STATE PARK, YOU'VE GOT, UH, THE, THE NATIONAL PARK OF THE CANOE CAPITAL OF, UH, VIRGINIA, UH, THE APPALACHIAN TRAIL COMES RIGHT THROUGH HERE MM-HMM .

AND SHE SAID, OH MY GOODNESS, YOU GUYS JUST, UH, HAVE SO MUCH TO OFFER AND I'D LOVE TO SEE US JUST TAKE FULL ADVANTAGE OF THAT.

AND, UH, AND ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, THAT I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE IS, IS TO EXPAND THE TAX BASE, NOT INCREASE TAXES, BUT EXPAND THE TAX BASE.

BECAUSE THAT WOULD HELP DECREASE TAXES OVERALL.

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UM, PRIORITY NUMBER SIX, THERE'S BEEN NO MOVEMENT ON THAT.

AND WITH PRIORITY NUMBER SEVEN, UM, THIS HAS HAD A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MOVEMENT, UM, WITH INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY.

TODD'S BEEN WORKING ON MAKING SURE THAT THEY'VE IMPLEMENTED SOME SIGNIFICANT, UM, PROCESSES, UM, WITH SOLARWINDS AND, UM, THEIR EMPLOYEE PORTAL.

UM, THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB OF HELPING TO KIND OF STREAMLINE AND REALLY INCREASE THE EFFICIENCY IN THEIR TEAM.

UM, AND THEY'VE IMPLEMENTED MULTI-FACTOR AUTHENTICATION IN ORDER TO, UM, BASICALLY MAKE US A MORE SECURED, UM, NETWORK, WHICH HAS BEEN FANTASTIC.

UM, HE IS WORKING SPECIFICALLY WITH, UM, NOT ONLY THE FINANCE TEAM, BUT ALSO THE TREASURER AND THE COMMISSIONER IN ORDER TO SEE WHAT SOFTWARE PACKAGES WILL WORK FOR THEM.

UM, THE CHALLENGES, THE INTEGRATION BETWEEN, UM, THE, UM, FINANCE TEAM AND THEN, UM, THE COMMISSIONER AND THE TREASURER.

'CAUSE WHAT, BASICALLY, THERE'S NOT A PACKAGE THAT JUST INTEGRATES PERFECTLY FOR ALL THREE.

SO AS THEY MOVE FORWARD AND START DEMOING, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE SURE THEY REALLY IDENTIFY SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO WORK WELL SO THAT MS. SCOTT DOESN'T RUN INTO, UM, PROBLEMS OF HAVING TO NAVIGATE HOW TO MANIPULATE A SYSTEM IN ORDER TO GET INFORMATION OUT OF THE OTHER OFFICES, UM, FOR US.

SO THAT, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE IS A CLEAR TIMEFRAME ON THE, UM, DEMOS.

I THINK THAT THE COMMISSIONER AND THE TREASURER ARE A LITTLE FURTHER AHEAD OF WHAT SYSTEM THEY WOULD LIKE TO DEMO, BUT WE'RE WAITING TO HEAR BACK FROM THE PROVIDER.

SO ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT PROJECT? WE'RE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE REPLACEMENT OF AS 400 RIGHT? OR REVISING IT OR, YES.

WHATEVER.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TA THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

SO ALL THESE ITEMS THAT ARE GOING ON, ARE THESE BEING, UM, UH, DISCUSSED IN THE IT COMMITTEE? I AM ASSUMING YOU, SO YOU KNOW ABOUT ALL OF ALL OF THIS STUFF.

OKAY, COOL.

SO, UM, JUST AS A COMMENT, UH, I REALLY THINK THERE'S A, UM, TOP PRIORITY IN LOOKING FORWARD TO A INTEGRATED FINANCIAL SYSTEM.

UM, RIGHT NOW WE'RE AD HOC AND WE'RE TAKING A LOT OF TIME, MAN, MANUAL TIME OF DATA BEING PUT INTO OUR EXISTING FINANCIAL SYSTEMS THAT ARE BEING PRESENTED TO THE BOARD ON REPORTS THAT WE ARE, THAT WE USE TO MAKE DECISIONS.

AND SOMETIMES THERE ARE DELAYS IN SOME OF THE LABOR.

AND I THINK THAT, UH, WE, WE REALLY NEED TO FOCUS ON GETTING THIS UP AS A TOP PRIORITY.

I KNOW IT'S BEEN A PRIORITY FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS WE'VE HAD IT, AND IT'S JUST BEEN KIND OF KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD.

AND I UNDERSTAND BECAUSE OF OTHER PRIORITIES AND COSTS AND BUDGET AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, UH, I REALLY DO BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO REALLY FOCUS ON WHATEVER THE SOLUTION MAY BE, IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, BUT WE GOTTA GET AWAY FROM THIS AD HOC STUFF, GOTTA GET AWAY FROM IT BECAUSE DELAYS SOME THE INFORMATION THAT THE BOARD GETS TO MAKE DECISIONS GOING FORWARD.

SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE.

LET'S SLOW DOWN, WE LIKE THIS, THIS WORKS.

THE THE OTHER PROBLEM THAT YOU RUN INTO IS THE FAT FINGER OF MISTAKES, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED PERCENT.

OH, ABSOLUTELY.

YOU GOT THE HUMAN ERROR FACTOR INVOLVED WITH THIS, YOU KNOW, SO, SO DOES THE IT COMMITTEE, DO YOU GUYS TAKE MINUTES, IMPOSE THOSE SINCE IT'S NOT A CITIZEN APPOINTEE BOARD? WE HAVEN'T BEEN DOING THAT, BUT, UH, RICH AND I COULD CERTAINLY, UH, WITH TODD, UH, TAKE NOTES AND, AND SHARE THEM WITH THE REST OF YOU.

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULD POST OR NOT.

IT'S A DIFFERENT KIND OF COMMITTEE.

I JUST QUESTIONED.

IT'S SINCE, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF COMMITTEES, I'M ONE THAT'S BEEN QUESTIONED, SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS A REQUIREMENT FOR ALL COMMITTEES OR, OR WHAT.

JUST QUESTIONING WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA.

IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA JUST TO, JUST TO HOLD OURSELVES ACCOUNTABLE TOO, SINCE YOU GUYS ARE IT, YOU KNOW, WHY DON'T YOU HAVE AI DO IT FOR YOU.

, YOU KNOW WHAT, DON'T ME STARTED, ARE YOU GUYS DOING AN ARCHITECTURAL, UM, UH, STUDY, IF YOU WILL, OF ALL THE STONE STOVE PIPE SYSTEMS THAT WE HAVE AND SEEING HOW IT ALL FEEDS INTO EACH OTHER? WE NOT DO THAT.

ARE WE GOING TO DO THAT? I MEAN, HOW DO YOU GO FORWARD WITH THE SOLUTION IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR, YOUR IS CONDITION? YEAH.

THE, THE BASIS, THE, THE STARTING POINT WAS A S 400 BACK AND, AND, UH, THAT SOME OF THE FEEDBACK WAS, WELL, BUT IT, BUT IT'S HERE AND, AND, AND WE WANT IT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S WHAT WE KNOW AND IT'S WHAT EXISTS MM-HMM .

AND THE PRICE TAG FOR, UH, JUMPING AWAY FROM IT LOOK, UH, ONEROUS.

SO, SO THERE'S THAT COMBINATION OF LIKE, LET SOME SPI, LIKE

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AND, AND, AND THE OTHER PART IS, YOU KNOW, WELL WHAT DOES THIS VENDOR HAVE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME CONFLICTING VIEWS ABOUT DIFFERENT VENDORS HAVING DIFFERENT PRODUCTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

SO, UM, BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN OF THE, IS HOW DO YOU CO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION WITH A SHOULD BE.

THAT'S GOOD.

BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T, AND THEN YOU GO OFF AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE EVALUATING THESE SYSTEMS AND DEMOS AND, AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW YOUR CURRENT STATE IS, YOU MIGHT MISS SOMETHING WHEN YOU DO A NEW DESIGN FOR THE, FOR THE NEXT SYSTEM, AND THEN YOU'RE BACK TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY.

NOW YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT.

THIS YEAR I THINK HAS BEEN CONSUMED WITH, UH, GETTING JUST A BASELINE OF WHERE WE ARE.

AND THEN A LOT OF TACTICAL FIREFIGHTING, LIKE THE VMWARE THING IS AN EXAMPLE WHERE THE GOT THE COSTS, WERE GONNA GO THROUGH THE ROOF AND, UM, SOME OPEN SOURCE HAD TO BE CONSIDERED AND, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT RIGHT.

AS WELL AS GETTING THE SOLAR WINDS UP AND RUNNING AND, AND, UH, THAT, THAT'S BEEN, OR AT A MINIMUM JUST HAVE A LIST OF ALL THE SYSTEMS. YEAH.

DON'T JUST, YOU KNOW, DON'T HAVE TO PUT IT IN A, A GRAPH OR ANYTHING.

WHO TALKS TO WHO, BUT AT LEAST HAVE A LIST OF ALL OF THIS, ALL OF THE SYSTEMS THAT ARE BEING USED AT THE COUNTY.

YEAH, NO, BECAUSE I ALREADY, I, I UNDERSTAND FOR POINT OF SALES, IF SEVERAL DIFFERENT, UM, DEPARTMENTS HAVE DIFFERENT POINT OF SALES MM-HMM .

UM, DEVICES THAT THEY USE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THROUGH AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU WOULD WANT TO HAVE SOME KIND OF STANDARDIZATION WITH THESE IT SYSTEMS. AND, AND, AND I, AND THE REASON WHY I'M SAYING THIS IS BECAUSE, UM, I'VE HAD A LOT OF LESSONS LEARNED IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR OF DOING IN INTEGRATIONS OR DEPLOYMENT OR SUN SETTING IT SYSTEMS. MM-HMM .

AND, AND THIS IS A BIG ONE.

THIS IS A BIG ONE FOR WHAT I KNOW OF ALL THE STONE PIPE SYSTEMS THAT WE, WE HAVE, WE, WE GOTTA KNOW WHAT WE GOT TO MOVE FORWARD.

SO ANYWAY, I'M OFF MY SOAPBOX.

Y YES SIR.

COMMENT AND SUGGESTIONS, SIR.

UH, NUMBER ONE, GOING BACK TO THE COMMITTEE QUESTION, YOU HAVE COMMITTEES AND YOU HAVE COMMITTEES.

YOU HAVE A FORMAL COMMITTEE, AIRPORT COMMISSION, A PLANNING COMMISSION, BOARD OF ZONING, APPEALS.

THESE ARE FORMAL BOARDS THAT YOU WILL APPOINT TO, THEY MUST FOLLOW ALL FOIA AND THEY MUST HAVE MINUTES, ET CETERA.

THEN YOU HAVE INFORMAL COMMITTEES THAT THEY CAN DO PRETTY MUCH WHATEVER THEY WANT TO AT THEIR MEETING.

TOURISM IT.

THOSE COMMITTEES ARE INFORMAL, THEY'RE AD HOC AND THEY CAN MEET AND THEY CANNOT MEET, ET CETERA.

WHATEVER WORKS FOR THEM, THEY CAN PUT UP MINUTES WHEN THE BOARD DECIDES THEY WANT THEM TO.

THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO MINUTES IF THE BOARD DOESN'T WANT THEM TO.

THEY ARE EXAMPLE BEING, IT IS MR. JONES TALKING TO MR. JAMIS, DR.

JAMISON AND MR. STAN MEYER.

AND THAT'S JUST THE THREE OF THEM SITTING DOWN AND HAVING A CHAT ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON.

AND THEY COULD SEND A MEMO TO THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS OR REPORT AT THEIR MONTHLY MEETING OF WHAT'S THE BOARD MEETING OF WHAT'S GOING ON RATHER THAN MINUTES, PER SE.

TOURISM COMMITTEE, THAT'S AN AD HOC, YOU JUST PICKED MEMBERS, UH, TO BE ON THERE.

AND YOU CAN SEND MINUTES TO OTHER BOARD MEMBERS.

YOU CAN TELL THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS WHAT YOU'RE MEETING OR YOU CAN CREATE A FORMAL COMMITTEE.

RIGHT NOW YOU DON'T HAVE ONE.

THE EDA IS A FORMAL COMMITTEE, TOURISM IS NOT.

SECOND THING, UH, SINCE THEY ARE HERE, I WOULD SUGGEST MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT WE CONSIDER PAUSING MS. MEADOWS AND GOING TO THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND THEN COMING BACK TO HER.

IF I COULD JUST ADD ONE THING TO THAT COMMENT THOUGH, JUST, JUST TO THANK, AND WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON IT, BUT IF YOU HAVE A COMMITTEE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPOINT CITIZENS ON THAT COMMITTEE, TO ME, MY DEFINITION IS NOT A UNOFFICIAL COMMITTEE.

SO, BUT IF YOU HAVE A COMMITTEE THAT DOESN'T HAVE AN APPOINTMENT OF A CITIZEN APPOINTMENT, THEN I WOULD CONSIDER THAT A A, UM, AN UNOFFICIAL, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING FOR DISCUSSION FOR A LATER TIME.

BREAKFAST OPERATIONS AND OTHER FOOD SERVICE, UH, FACILITIES ARE ALSO INSPECTED, AND THE GOAL IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE OPERATORS ARE MEETING THE STATE CODE AND PROVIDING A PLEASANT EXPERIENCE FOR VISITORS TO THE COUNTY.

WELL, I, I'D RATHER THE, UH, THE, THE, UH, LADIES HERE SIT HERE AND LISTEN TO OUR DISCUSSIONS AND STUFF AND BECOME TERRIBLY BORED.

NO, PLEASE COME UP.

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GOOD EVENING.

WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO BE HERE WITH YOU GUYS TODAY.

UM, SO, UH, CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MY NAME'S TARA BLACKLEY.

I'M THE LOCAL HEALTH DIRECTOR FOR THE LORD FAIRFAX HEALTH DISTRICT.

AND, UM, I'VE NOW BEEN IN MY POSITION FOR A LITTLE OVER A YEAR, AND WE JUST WANTED TO TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE SOME OF THE THINGS WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON AND PROVIDE SOME MORE INFORMATION ABOUT OUR PUBLIC HEALTH DEPARTMENT.

ALL RIGHT.

SO WE HAVE, UM, AS I SHARED REACH THAT ONE YEAR MARK, WE'VE DEVELOPED A STRATEGIC PLAN WITH A FOCUS ON WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT, COMMUNICATION INFRASTRUCTURE, AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.

WE'VE WORKED REALLY HEAVILY ON OUR RETENTION AND RECRUITMENT.

WE NOW HAVE ALL OF OUR POSITIONS FILLED, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF, UM, SEVERAL WIC POSITIONS.

ONE OF THOSE IS IN WARREN COUNTY PART-TIME.

AND THAT HAS BEEN AN ONGOING STRUGGLE THAT WE'VE HAD WITH FILLING THAT NUTRITIONIST POSITION.

UM, BUT ALL OF OUR OTHER POSITIONS ARE FILLED, WHICH WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT.

UM, WE'VE ENGAGED IN PERFORMANCE MANAGEMENT WORK.

WE'VE DEVELOPED GOALS AND OBJECTIVES.

UM, WE ARE WORKING ON THOSE, CHECKING IN ON THEM REGULAR REGULARLY, AND ALSO HAVE CREATED SCORECARDS, UH, FOR OUR INDIVIDUAL WORK UNITS.

UM, WE'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK AROUND INTERNAL PROCESS BUILDING.

AND IN THIS UPCOMING YEAR, AS WE CONTINUE TO WORK ON ALL THESE THINGS, WE'RE REALLY EXPANDING OUR, UM, ENGAGEMENT IN PARTNERSHIP BUILDING.

SO OUR SUCCESSES OVER THE PAST YEAR, UM, WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO INCREASE ACCESS TO OUR CLINICS.

UM, WE WORKED REALLY HARD, ESPECIALLY DURING SCHOOL, TO INCREASE ACCESS TO OUR SCHOOL PHYSICALS AS WELL AS OUR IMMUNIZATIONS TO ENSURE THAT, UM, KIDS WERE ABLE TO GET INTO SCHOOL AND START ON TIME AND NOT BE DELAYED.

UM, WE'VE WORKED TO PROVIDE HOME BOUND VACCINATIONS TO THOSE WHO CAN'T LEAVE THEIR HOMES, WHO ARE INTERESTED IN CLO COVID AND FLU VACCINATION.

UM, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH LOCAL BUSINESSES AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO PROVIDE IMMUNIZATIONS AT THEIR LOCATIONS.

UM, WE'RE CONTINUING TO WORK WITH SOCIAL SERVICES FOR OUR LONG-TERM SCREENINGS SERVICES TO EITHER HELP RESIDENTS BE ABLE TO REMAIN IN THEIR HOMES OR HELP WITH REFERRAL TO, UM, A NURSING HOME PLACEMENT.

AND THIS IS THROUGH A MEDICAID PROGRAM.

UM, WE'RE CONTINUING TO PROVIDE SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED INFECTION SCREENINGS, FAMILY PLANNING SERVICES, TUBERCULOSIS ASSESSMENTS, AND IMMUNIZATIONS.

OUR ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH SECTION, WHICH WE CAME AND TALKED TO YOU GUYS ABOUT EARLIER THIS YEAR, UM, HAVE, DURING COVID WE LOST A LOT OF STAFF, A WHOLE LOT OF STAFF.

SO WE'VE REALLY WORKED TO REBUILD THAT ENTIRE, UM, WORK UNIT IN WARREN COUNTY.

IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, YOU ALL HAVE APPROXIMATELY 200 PERMITTED FACILITIES, AND THAT INCLUDES 146 FOOD SERVICE ESTABLISHMENTS.

UM, AND IN 2024, OUR ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH SPECIALISTS CONDUCTED NEARLY 300 INSPECTIONS, INCLUDING ROUTINE FOLLOW-UP AND PRE-OPENING INSPECTIONS.

AND THE GOAL OF OUR DISTRICT REALLY IS TO START WORKING ON A RISK-BASED MODEL.

SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS, BASED UPON HOW FOOD IS PREPARED, UM, THAT WOULD DETERMINE THE NUMBER OF, UH, INSPECTIONS THAT WE WOULD DO.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT A SUBWAY, THE WAY FOOD IS PREPARED AS AT A SUBWAY, IT'S MOSTLY READY TO EAT FOODS.

AND SO THERE'S FAR LESS RISK THAN AT A, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE A MOM AND POP RESTAURANT THAT ACTUALLY REQUIRES MULTIPLE PROCESSES AND HAS A LOT MORE, UM, ITEMS ON THE MENU.

SO IN THAT CASE, WE WOULD WANNA VISIT THEM MORE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WERE, UM, HOLDING FOOD TO TEMPERATURE, HAD GOOD SANITATION AND ALL OF THOSE COMPONENTS.

SO, AS YOU KNOW, THE MORE FOOD IS HANDLED, THE GREATER THE RISK.

UM, TEMPORARY FOOD EVENTS, WE ALSO DO, UM, INSPECTIONS AT TEMPORARY FOOD EVENTS.

SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT, UH, WHEN A TEMPORARY EVENT IS HELD, SO FOR EXAMPLE, IN YOUR COMMUNITY, THAT WOULD BE THINGS LIKE THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL WINE AND CRAFT FESTIVAL, THE APPALOOSA MUSICAL FESTIVAL, AND THE FESTIVAL OF LEAVES.

THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF FOOD VENDORS, SOMETIMES THEY COME FROM OUT OF THIS AREA TO BE AT THOSE EVENTS.

SO OUR STAFF WORK, UM, OUTSIDE OF BUSINESS HOURS AND ON THE WEEKENDS TO GO AND INSPECT THOSE VENDORS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S SAFE FOR INDIVIDUALS VISITING THE COUNTY TOURIST ESTABLISHMENTS.

WE ALSO, UH, INSPECT HOTELS, MOTELS, CAMPGROUNDS, BED AND BREAKFASTS AND POOLS ASSOCIATED WITH TOURIST ESTABLISHMENTS.

UM, HOTELS AND MOTELS ARE INSPECTED ANNUALLY.

POOLS, CONTINENTAL

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ADDITIONALLY, WE ALSO DO COMPLETE INVESTIGATIONS.

SO THOSE ARE TYPICALLY COMPLAINTS COMING FROM THE PUBLIC RELATED TO, UM, DIFFERENT TYPES OF NUISANCES.

TYPICALLY THESE ARE WATER QUALITY AND PROPER SEWAGE DISPOSAL, FOOD SAFETY OR VECTORS LIKE RODENTS, MOSQUITOES.

AND WE WILL, UH, FOLLOW UP ON THOSE COMPLAINTS.

AND TYPICALLY IN, UM, WARREN COUNTY, WE GET ABOUT 50 OF THOSE A YEAR THAT OUR STAFF FOLLOW UP ON.

IN ADDITION, THIS TEAM ALSO DOES ANIMAL EXPOSURE REPORTS TYPICALLY RELATED TO RABIES.

SO ON AVERAGE OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS, THEY'VE HAD 235 ANIMAL EXPOSURE REPORTS, UM, AND WITHIN THE COUNTY.

SO THE MAJORITY OF THESE ARE RELATED TO DOMESTIC ANIMALS, BUT ON OCCASION WE ALSO HAVE, UH, WILDLIFE EXPOSURES.

UM, AND THE GOAL OF THESE INVESTIGATIONS IS TO MAKE SURE THAT RABIES IS NOT A FACTOR.

SO, AS YOU KNOW, RABIES IS ENDEMIC IN VIRGINIA, UM, AND IT'S COMMONLY FOUND IN RACCOONS, SKUNKS, AND BATS.

AND IN THOSE, UM, EXPOSURE REPORTS THAT WE INVESTIGATE, RABIES TYPICALLY IS A FACTOR IN ABOUT 2%.

AND SO THE GOAL OF OUR, WHAT OUR STAFF DOES IS TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THERE WAS A RABIES EXPOSURE, UM, THAT WE'RE ABLE TO FOLLOW UP AND, AND CONNECT THOSE PEOPLE TO CARE, BECAUSE IN THE EVENT THAT RABIES IS NOT, UM, TRUE, LIKE IF EXPOSURE IS NOT ADDRESSED, UM, RABIES IS FATAL.

SO OBVIOUSLY THE BEST WAY TO PREVENT THE SPREAD OF RABIES IS THE, UH, VACCINATION OF ANIMALS.

OUR ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH STAFF ALSO DO BLOOD LEVEL, UM, LEAD EVALUATIONS.

SO IN THE EVENT THAT WE GET A REPORT OF A CHILD IN A HOME, UH, HAVING A BLOOD LEAD LEVEL EQUAL TO OR GREATER THAN 15 MICROGRAMS PER DECILITER, WE DO, UH, AN IN-HOME LEAD ASSESSMENT.

AND SO THE GOAL OF THAT IS, UH, TO DETERMINE WHERE THE RISK IS COMING FROM.

SO WE HAVE TWO STAFF IN OUR DISTRICT THAT ARE CERTIFIED TO CONDUCT THESE ASSESSMENTS.

WE ADDED A PERSON THIS YEAR, UM, AND THAT, UH, THE 15 MICROGRAMS PREVIOUSLY WAS 20.

SO WE'RE EXPECTING TO SEE MORE OF THESE CASES.

WE HAD TWO EVALUATIONS COMPLETED LAST YEAR IN THE COUNTY, AND THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL IS CONSIDERED TO BE A HIGH RISK ZIP CODE, UM, BECAUSE MANY OF THE PROPERTIES WERE BUILT BEFORE 1978 AND DETERIORATING LEAD PAINT IS A, A HEALTH HAZARD.

UM, OUR SEPTIC AND WELL PROGRAM, WE TYPICALLY RECEIVE ABOUT 450 APPLICATIONS PER YEAR RELATED TO THE SEPTIC AND WELL PROGRAM OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS.

THIS INCLUDES APPLICATIONS FOR CONSTRUCTION, PERMITS, CERTIFICATION LETTERS AND REPAIRS, AS WELL AS SAP REQUESTS.

AND THOSE COME FROM THE COUNTY BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND SUBDIVISION REVIEWS AND OTHER REQUESTS FOR COMMENTS FROM PLANNING AND ZONING.

UM, OUR ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH SPECIALISTS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE OVERSIGHT OF ALTERNATIVE ONSITE SEWAGE SYSTEMS AND ALTERNATE, ALTERNATE DISCHARGING SEWAGE SYSTEMS LOCATED IN THE COUNTY.

ADDITIONALLY, OUR ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH SPECIALISTS ALSO SUPPORT THE COUNTY IN TOWN BY SITTING ON THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE, AS WELL AS SERVING ON THE, UH, WARREN COUNTY WELL AND SEPTIC APPEALS BOARD.

AS YOU GUYS ARE AWARE, UM, PREVIOUSLY THIS YEAR WHEN WE CAME AND SPOKE TO YOU THAT IF WE WEREN'T FUNDED, WE WERE GONNA HAVE TO CUT AN ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH SPECIALIST POSITION.

SO WE HAD TO MOVE A STAFF PERSON TO ANOTHER COUNTY SO THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO LAY SOMEONE OFF.

UM, AND I, THAT OCCURRED LAST WEEK, I BELIEVE.

AND SO I JUST WANT YOU ALL TO BE AWARE, WE'VE ALREADY HAD SOME COMPLAINTS COME UP AND MY STAFF HAVE ASKED FOR A TALKING POINT ON WHAT TO SHARE WITH CUSTOMERS.

AND SO I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT TALKING POINT WITH YOU ALL AND WHAT I'VE GIVEN THEM SO THAT, UM, IF YOU ALL RECEIVE COMPLAINTS OR QUESTIONS THAT YOU WOULD BE AWARE OF THE INFORMATION SHARED.

HOW MUCH WERE YOU SHORT BY LAST YEAR THAT DIDN'T GET THE MATCHING FUNDS? SO IN TOTAL, IT WAS A LITTLE OVER $50,000, BUT I THINK YOU, IT WAS $24,744 THAT WE WOULD'VE NEEDED FROM YOU ALL TO DRAW DOWN 30 SOME THOUSAND FROM THE STATE.

IT'S LIKE AROUND 53,000 TO TOTAL WITH STATE AND LOCAL.

SO I HAVE A HUNCH WE'RE GONNA HEAR SOME, SOME COMPLAINTS.

SO, AND I KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME CONCERNS DUE TO I THINK THE WARREN COUNTY FEE, THERE WAS A FEE CHANGE.

AND SO I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE TRYING TO GET PERMITS IN LAST MINUTE.

AND

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SO I JUST WANTED YOU ALL TO BE AWARE, UM, WE KICKED OFF OUR COMMUNITY HEALTH ASSESSMENT.

UH, I JUST WANTED TO ASK YOU, HOW, HOW MANY COMPLAINTS HAVE YOU RECEIVED ON THAT SO FAR? YEAH, TWO THAT I KNOW OF.

UH, YOU SAID TWO THAT YOU KNOW OF.

TWO OF I KNOW OF FROM CALLS IN THIS WEEK, UH, JUST THIS WEEK OR MM-HMM .

BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO GET IT IN WITH Y'ALL'S DEADLINE OF SOMETHING THAT'S COMING UP WITH PROPERTIES.

BUT HAVE Y'ALL RECEIVED ANYTHING BEFORE THAT? MM-HMM.

'CAUSE WE HAD THE STAFF, WE HAD FOUR STAFF, AND NOW WE'RE DOWN TO THREE.

UM, SO WE KICKED OFF OUR COMMUNITY HEALTH ASSESSMENT OCTOBER 24TH.

UH, WE'LL HAVE A PUBLICATION DATE IN EARLY 2026, AND OUR COMMUNITY HEALTH ASSESSMENT PROCESS IS BUILT ON A METHODOLOGY FROM THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION FOR CITY AND COUNTY HEALTH OFFICIALS.

UM, AND IT'S A PROCESS CALLED MOBILIZING ACTION FOR PLANNING AND PARTNERSHIPS.

AND THE GOAL OF THIS IS TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY IN, UM, HELPING US IDENTIFY.

AND WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING ON THIS IN PARTNERSHIP WITH VALLEY HEALTH AND LOCAL COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS, UM, INCLUDING WARREN COUNTY, UM, IN HELPING THE COMMUNITY SELECT WHAT WE SHOULD FOCUS ON OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS, UH, A TOP THREE TO FIVE, UM, PRIORITIES.

AND, UM, SO, SO FAR YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

WE, UM, HAVE CONDUCTED, I THINK WE HAVE A LITTLE OVER 1500 SURVEYS.

WE'VE CONDUCTED MORE THAN 10 IN-DEPTH PARTNER COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS.

AND, UM, THERE'S MORE TO COME.

UH, ADDITIONALLY, ONCE WE'RE FINISHED WITH THIS PROCESS, WE WILL DO A COMMUNITY HEALTH IMPROVEMENT PLAN.

AND THAT PLAN WILL HAVE THOSE THREE TO FIVE PRIORITIES AS WELL AS A LAID OUT PLAN FOR HOW WE WILL ADDRESS THOSE.

ALSO, AS PART OF THIS PROCESS, WE, UM, CONDUCT AN EVALUATION WITH COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS THAT ARE THE, THE ACTUAL, YOU KNOW, NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS TO REALLY LAY OUT WHERE ARE THE GAPS, UH, ACROSS OUR DISTRICT AND GATHER THEIR INPUT AND FEEDBACK AS WELL AS TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE RESOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

ONCE WE HAVE ALL THIS DATA GATHERED, WE'RE ABLE TO LOOK AT WHAT DOES SECONDARY DATA SHOW US AND WHAT DOES THE PRIMARY DATA SHOW US THAT WE COLLECTED FROM THE COMMUNITY, AND HOW DO, HOW DOES THAT DATA OVERLAY TO SEE IF THE PRIORITIES THAT THE COMMUNITY PERCEIVES AS OUR GREATEST ISSUES AND WHAT THE DATA SHOWS, UM, LINE UP IS OUR GREATEST ISSUES.

AND THEN FROM THERE, WE BUILD A PLAN FOR WHAT THOSE ISSUES WILL BE.

OVER THE LAST MANY YEARS, VALLEY HEALTH HAS FUNDED ORGANIZATIONS BASED UPON THE PRIORITIES SELECTED.

UM, SO THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO REALLY BE ABLE TO ENHANCE, UM, OPPORTUNITIES ACROSS OUR DISTRICT TO ADDRESS HEALTH ISSUES.

HOW DOES WARREN COUNTY STACK UP AGAINST SURROUNDING COUNTIES AS FAR AS THIS GOES? I MEAN, DO, DOES IT SEEM THAT WE HAVE BETTER HEALTH, NOT AS, NOT AS GOOD A HEALTH OR, SO THERE'S SOMETHING ACTUALLY CALLED THE COUNTY HEALTH RANKINGS MM-HMM .

UM, AND I CAN SHARE SOME MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT, BUT IT ACTUALLY WILL HELP YOU ALL COMPARE YOURSELVES TO OTHER COUNTIES IN THE AREA.

UM, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I CAN'T TELL YOU TO GIVE YOU SUPER ACCURATE INFORMATION, BUT I CAN DEFINITELY SHARE THAT RESOURCE AND, YOU KNOW, AND I'M ALWAYS HAPPY TO COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT THAT AS WELL.

UM, BUT IT WOULD HELP COMPARE YOU TO, TO NEIGHBORING JURISDICTIONS.

I'M, I'M JUST CURIOUS THE, THE, AS FAR AS THE, THE, THE COUNTY HEALTH GOES, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, WITH THE SURROUNDING COUNTIES MM-HMM .

AND, YEAH.

AND, UH, 'CAUSE I WOULD THINK THAT WARREN COUNTY WOULD BE HEALTHIER THAN ANYBODY ELSE.

SO, YEAH.

AND YOU KNOW, I THINK, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY RIGHT, WHAT WE SEE IS, UM, THE NORTHERN VIRGINIA AREA IS A LEADING, UM, HEALTHY AREA.

WE RECENTLY, YOU MIGHT BE INTERESTED, PUBLISHED A MAP TO OUR WEBSITE THAT SHOWS BY ZIP CODE, UH, LIFE EXPECTANCY.

AND SO YOU CAN TYPICALLY MAP LIFE EXPECTANCY ACROSS THE ZIP CODE TO ACCESS TO DIFFERENT SORTS OF, YOU KNOW, ACCESS TO FOOD, ACCESS TO, UM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, SOME OF THOSE THINGS AND HOW THAT, YOU KNOW, INCOME, ACCESS TO EDUCATION, ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

SO WE RECENTLY JUST PUBLISHED A MAP ON OUR WEBSITE THAT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO, TO CHECK OUT.

UM, COULD, UH, ONE QUESTION, WOULD THE ACCESS TO CARE, UM, ASSESSMENT INCLUDE MATERNITY CARE AS A SPECIFIC CATEGORY? SO WE, A, THE, THE WAY IT'S, I'M GONNA GIVE YOU GUYS THE LINK TO THE SURVEY.

KNOW, WE CAN LOOK AT A SURVEY AND YOU GET SORT OF THE DETAILS OF WHAT IT SAYS, BUT YOU CAN'T REALLY DIG IN TO UNDERSTAND PEOPLE'S FEELINGS ABOUT IT AND EXPERIENCES.

AND YOU CAN CHECK IT OUT.

UM, BUT IT TALKS ABOUT ACCESS TO DIFFERENT TYPES OF CARE.

I CAN'T OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, REMEMBER IF THAT'S SPECIFICALLY LISTED MM-HMM .

BUT WE'RE ALSO DOING, UM, COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS AND ASKING A LOT OF SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS.

'CAUSE I THINK SOMETIMES WHEN YOU, YOU

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AND SO THAT'S WHAT SOME OF THESE COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS.

THE GOAL OF THAT IS WE, I THINK EARLIER TODAY, I INVITED, UM, MR. DALEY TO JOIN US FOR, UM, AN UPDATE ON WHAT WE'RE SEEING WITH THE SURVEY SO FAR, WHAT THE RESULTS ARE LOOKING LIKE.

UM, AND TO HAVE TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS AS WE'RE, WE'RE ROLLING OUT THIS PROCESS.

SO, UM, AND IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, WE'RE ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ALWAYS WELCOME TO JOIN US AS WELL.

SO HERE'S THE LINK TO THE COMMUNITY STATUS AS THE COMMUNITY STATUS ASSESSMENT, AND WE INVITE YOU ALL TO PARTICIPATE.

UM, NEXT UP.

SO IN 2023, WE, WE RECEIVED FUNDING, UM, TO ADDRESS A COMMUNITY HEALTH ISSUE.

UH, AND SO WHAT WE DID IS WE WENT OUT AND SPOKE TO PEOPLE ACROSS OUR DISTRICT TO REALLY TRY TO DRILL DOWN INTO WHERE PEOPLE FELT LIKE THERE WAS A GAP.

UM, AND WHAT CONTINUED TO COME UP WAS ACCESS, ACCESS TO CARE.

SO WE USED THOSE FUNDS TO PURCHASE A MOBILE HEALTH VEHICLE SO WE COULD REALLY GET OUT IN THE COMMUNITY WITH OUR SERVICES, UM, AS WELL AS FOR EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES OUT IN THE COMMUNITY.

SO WE'RE EXPECTING DELIVERY OF THAT IN EARLY 2025, SO HOPEFULLY NEXT MONTH.

UM, AND WE'LL BE EXCITED TO INVITE YOU GUYS TO CHECK IT OUT AS WELL ONCE IT ARRIVES.

UM, SO OUR EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS PROGRAM HAS BEEN WORKING REALLY DILIGENTLY THIS YEAR ON, UH, THIS PROGRAM CALLED MAK.

AND WHAT MAK IS, IT'S A NATIONAL PROGRAM UNDER THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES.

AND IT'S CONTAIN CONTAINERS OF NERVE AGENT ANTIDOTES THAT ARE, UM, PLACED IN SECURE, SECURE LOCATIONS IN LOCAL JURISDICTIONS ACROSS THE COUNTRY WITH THE GOAL OF, UM, HAVING THESE LOCATED CLOSE TO PEOPLE.

SO 90% OF PEOPLE IN THE UNITED STATES HAVE ACCESS TO THESE NERVE AGENT ANTIDOTES WITHIN ONE HOUR OF THEM.

UM, SO WE HAVE TWO CACHE SITES AND THREE TOTAL CHEM PACK UNITS IN OUR DISTRICT.

AND SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING REALLY DILIGENTLY TO DO TRAINING, UM, AND BUILD POLICY AROUND THESE SO THAT OUR PARTNERS, UM, KNOW HOW THEY CAN ACCESS THESE AND USE THEM.

UM, SO WE, THIS IS SORT OF WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE.

THEY'RE KIND OF, THEY'RE ACTUALLY REALLY COOL.

YOU CAN SEE THEM LIKE LO LOADED IN DIFFERENT SORTS OF VEHICLES AND CONTAINERS, AND YOU CAN SEE HOW THESE ALL LIKE STACK TOGETHER.

UM, SO THAT'S SORT OF WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE IN THEIR, UM, IN THEIR CONTAINERS.

SO WE WORKED ACROSS OUR THREE JURISDICTIONS TO BUILD A PAC GUIDANCE POLICY, AND THEN IN 2023, WE EXERCISED THAT WITH A TABLETOP EXERCISE.

WE'VE WORKED WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT, EMS, UM, FIRE VALLEY HEALTH, OUR STATE PARTNERS, UM, AND O OTHER LOCAL PARTNERS.

AND WE CONDUCTED A DRILL IN MAY OF 2024, AND THEN ONE OF THE FULL, FULL FIRST FULL SCALE EXERCISES WILL BE CONDUCTED, UM, NEXT MONTH HERE IN OUR AREA.

SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

OUR EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS, UM, PERSON, OLIVIA HAS BEEN WORKING REALLY, REALLY HARD ON THIS.

WHERE WOULD YOU GET THE NERVE AGENT? WHAT, WHAT'S, WHERE WOULD YOU BE EXPOSED? YEAH, SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S, THE STORY THEY ALWAYS TELL YOU AT THE TRAINING RIGHT WHEN YOU GO TO THIS IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S A GUY AND HE'S OUT WORKING, YOU KNOW, HE, HE WORKS FOR A LANDSCAPE COMPANY AND HE ENDS UP GETTING, LIKE BITTEN ALL OVER, UM, BY MOSQUITOES AND BUGS.

AND THEN HE DUMPS A BUNCH OF, YOU KNOW, UH, THINGS ON HIMSELF TO TRY TO KILL THESE BUG BITES AND HE EXPOSES HIMSELF TO THESE AGENTS, RIGHT? AND SO THAT'S SORT OF LIKE THE STORY THEY TELL YOU, BUT THE OTHER PART OF IT IS TYPICALLY WOULD COME FROM SOME SORT OF, UM, TERRORIST OR INTENTIONAL ACT.

AND SO THE GOAL OF THIS IS TO HAVE THESE AVAILABLE SO THAT WE COULD REACT AND RESPOND QUICKLY.

BUT WOULD THERE BE ENOUGH, SO LIKE IF THERE WAS A, IF THERE WAS SOME TYPE OF A, AN ACTION, WOULD THERE BE ENOUGH TO, UH, TO TAKE CARE OF THE COMMUNITY OR IT WOULD BE A SMALL, IT WOULD BE A SMALL AREA EXPOSURE SORT OF APPROACH? THERE IS SOMETHING CALLED THE STRATEGIC NATIONAL STOCKPILE, UM, THAT HELPS US PLAN THE PLANNING SCENARIO FOR THAT IS AROUND ANTHRAX.

SO IF THERE WAS AN ANTHRAX EXPOSURE, THEN WE WOULD BE ABLE TO ACCESS ENOUGH MEDICATION TO TREAT EVERYONE, UM, WITHIN A VERY QUICK PERIOD OF TIME.

AND WE BUILD A LOT OF PLANNING ELEMENTS AROUND OUR RESPONSE TO THAT.

SO THIS WOULD BE A SMALLER, UM, EXPOSURE SORT OF SCENARIO WHERE PEOPLE ARE EXPOSED, UM, TYPICALLY TO, TO CHEMICALS.

SO WE ALSO HAVE A VOLUNTEER CORPS.

YEAH, THANK YOU.

UM,

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UH, WE HIRED A MRC COORDINATOR.

UM, AND SHE'S BEEN WORKING REALLY DILIGENTLY TO FURTHER EXPAND OUR VOLUNTEER CORPS.

UM, IN 2024, WE HAD OVER, WE HAD INDIVIDUALS, UH, PROVIDE OVER 560 HOURS OF SERVICE BOTH THROUGH TRAINING AND DEPLOYMENTS, UM, WITH OUR UNIT.

AND, UM, THAT IS OVER THREE WEEKS OF CONTINU 24 7 CONTINUOUS VOLUNTEER EFFORTS.

AND THIS IS 115% INCREASE PRIOR TO WHEN WE WERE ABLE TO HIRE A UNIT COORDINATOR.

SO THE VOLUNTEERS, I THINK IT'S ABOUT, YEP, 72% HAVE A MEDICAL BACKGROUND AND 28% ARE, HAVE A GENERAL BACKGROUND.

AND SO THIS, YOU KNOW, COMES BACK TO THIS RESPONDING TO EMERGENCIES.

WE WOULD CALL ON THESE PEOPLE TO HELP US RESPOND BECAUSE WE DO HAVE, YOU KNOW, A SMALL STAFF.

UM, BUT THIS, THIS TEAM OF PEOPLE WAS ESSENTIAL DURING COVID TO HELP SUPPORT OUR RESPONSE AND EFFORTS.

SO, UM, WE ALSO HAD OUR FIRST EVER, UH, SAFETY AND WELLNESS DAY IN WARREN COUNTY IN 2024.

IT WAS IN OCTOBER.

AND, UH, THIS HAPPENED ON THE CAMPUS OF THE WARREN COUNTY HEALTH AND HER HUMAN SERVICES COMPLEX.

IT WAS OVER 20 PARTNERS.

UM, AND ALL THESE PARTNERS PROVIDED INFORMATION AND SERVICES TO THE COMMUNITY.

UM, SO THERE YOU CAN SEE A LIST OF A LOT OF THE DIFFERENT PARTNERS AS WELL AS THE DEMONSTRATIONS AND TRAININGS PROVIDED.

UM, AND OUR HOPE IS TO MAKE THIS AN ANNUAL EVENT.

UM, SOMETHING ELSE I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL WAS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR EPIDEMIOLOGY PROGRAM.

SO EPIDEMIOLOGY HELPS US, UM, LOOK AT THE HEALTH OF THE COMMUNITY.

AND SO IN 2024, WE HAD 26 OUTBREAKS INVESTIGATED IN WARREN COUNTY, AND THEN WE HAD 243 CASES OF REPORTABLE DISEASE.

THE, UM, MOST REPORTED CONDITIONS WERE CHLAMYDIA, WHICH IS A SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED INFECTION.

AND THEN SECOND TO THAT WAS LYME DISEASE.

UM, AND THEN WE DID 16 SITE VISITS AND OUTREACH EVENTS.

THOSE ARE USUALLY THE SKILLED NURSING FACILITIES, UM, WHEN THEY HAVE AN OUTBREAK SO THAT WE CAN SUPPORT THEM IN THINKING THROUGH, UM, HOW TO MITIGATE THAT OUTBREAK AND PUT INFECTION CONTROL PREVENTION MEASURES IN PLACE.

ONE THING THAT WE'RE NOTING AND WHERE WE'VE SEEN AN INCREASE IN THE LAST YEAR IS IN, UM, INVASIVE GROUP A STREP INFECTION AND STREPTOCOCCAL TOXIC SHOCK SYNDROME.

UM, BOTH OF THESE ARE REPORTABLE IN VIRGINIA.

UM, AND SO, UH, INVASIVE GROUP, A STREP IS THE SAME BACTERIA THAT WE ALL KNOW OF AS STREP, RIGHT? SO WHEN WE'RE LIKE, OH, YOU KNOW, MY KID HAS STREP THROAT.

UM, SAME THING, BUT WHAT HAPPENS IS IT ENTERS THE BLOODSTREAM, UM, AND BECOMES A MUCH MORE SEVERE INFECTION WHEN IT BECOMES THE TOXIC SHOCK SYNDROME IS WHEN IT ACTUALLY, UM, LEADS TO LOW BLOOD PRESSURE AND, UH, ORGAN FAILURE DEVELOPMENT.

SO WE'VE SEEN A BIG INCREASE IN THIS, UM, OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.

AND SO YOU CAN SORT OF SEE HOW THAT'S TRACKING BOTH IN LORD FAIRFAX AND VIRGINIA.

UM, WE, THE CDC ISSUED A NOTICE OF INCREASING PEDIATRIC CASES IN 2023, AND WE WORKED CLOSELY WITH OUR CENTRAL OFFICE IN RICHMOND TO GET A NOTICE OUT TO CLINICIANS IN OUR AREA IN 2024 WHEN WE SAW, UM, AN IN, YOU KNOW, A, A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT INCREASE AS WELL.

SO FAR THIS YEAR WE'VE SEEN 20 CASES IN OUR AREA.

UM, WE ARE WORKING, UM, CLOSELY WITH OUR LOCAL HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS TO PROVIDE EDUCATION, UM, AND ALSO WORKING THROUGH GROUP SETTINGS ON STREP PREVENTION, IDENTIFICATION AND TREATMENT.

UM, THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IS, UM, H FIVE N ONE.

SO WE STILL HAVE NO CASES IN VIRGINIA, NO CASES OF CATTLE IN VIRGINIA, BUT WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE DO HAVE THE CAPACITY FOR TESTING AND WE HAVE BEEN CONDUCTING OUTREACH, UM, TO HIGH RISK WORKERS SUCH AS CATTLE FARMERS TO OFFER PPE AND SEASONAL FLU VACCINE CLINICS FOR EMPLOYEES.

UM, WE ALSO HAVE BEEN WORKING TO APPLY FOR A GRANT THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO EXPAND THOSE OUTREACH OPPORTUNITIES, UM, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE SO MANY DAIRY FARMS, UH, FOOD PROCESSING PROCESSING PLANS AND OTHER HIGH RISK, UM, ESTABLISHMENTS AND, UH, WORKERS IN, IN OUR DISTRICT.

SO WE'LL KEEP YOU UPDATED.

WE JUST SUBMITTED THE, THE, UM, THE SUPPORT LETTER FOR THAT TODAY.

UH, WE'RE ALSO CURRENTLY SEEING AN INCREASE IN RESPIRATORY ILLNESS.

UM, SO YOU CAN SEE THE BLUE LINE IS TYPICALLY WHAT WE EXPECT, AND CURRENTLY THE ORANGE LINE IS WHAT THE ACTUAL IS AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING.

UM, SO THIS DATA INCLUDES EVERYTHING FROM SEASONAL INFLUENZA, RSV, GENERAL DIAGNOSIS, DIAGNOSES, AND

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COID.

UM, SO WE CONTINUE TO TRACK THIS.

UM, BUT WE ARE SEEING AN INCREASE, OF COURSE, RIGHT? IT'S ALL THE, THE NORMAL HYGIENE THINGS YOU CAN DO, COVER YOUR COUGH, STAY HOME WHEN YOU'RE SICK.

UM, AND OF COURSE WE ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO GET VACCINATED.

WE'RE ABLE, UM, WE'VE ALSO, I'M SURE YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN THIS IN THE MEDIA AS WELL, SEEN AN INCREASE IN PNEUMONIA DIAGNOSES IN CHILDREN.

UM, AND IT WAS SPECIFICALLY THE MYCOPLASMA PNEUMONIA.

SO THIS IS, UM, FROM OUR, UH, DISTRICT.

AND SO THIS IS, YOU CAN SEE AN INCREASE, UM, ESPECIALLY IN OCTOBER, BUT WE'RE NOW STARTING TO SEE A DECLINE.

SO WE ARE KEEPING AN EYE ON THIS AND TRACKING IT.

WHAT, WHAT'D YOU CALL IT? IT WAS MYCOPLASMA.

MYCOPLASMA.

WHAT, WHAT IS THAT? IT'S A TYPE OF PNEUMONIA.

IT'S THE BACTERIA, YEAH.

IS IT EASILY TREATABLE SINCE THE BACTERIA? UM, IS IT EASILY TREATABLE? I DON'T KNOW THAT.

I THINK IT'S TRICKY BECAUSE I THINK THAT, UM, PEOPLE DON'T ALWAYS RESPOND TO TREATMENT LIKE WE HOPE.

AND I THINK A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE WHO HAVE, UM, MORE COMPLEX HEALTH CONDITIONS DON'T RESPOND TO TREATMENT AS EFFECTIVELY.

UM, SO YOU KNOW, AS YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CHILDREN THAT HAVE BEEN HOSPITALIZED BECAUSE THEY GET REALLY SICK REALLY QUICKLY WITH THIS PNEUMONIA.

YEAH, THREE OF MY FIVE GRANDCHILDREN HAD IT AND NOT, THEY'RE NOT ALL IN THE SAME HOUSEHOLD, SO IT WAS RUNNING RAMPANT AT THEIR SCHOOLS.

YEAH, THAT RUNS IN LINES OF MY ANECDOTAL EXPERIENCE AS WELL.

EVERYBODY IN THEIR BROTHER WAS SICK AND A LOT OF WALKING PNEUMONIA MM-HMM .

ESPECIALLY OVER OVER CHRISTMAS.

SO WE'VE CONTINUED TO PROVIDE, UM, EDUCATION TO HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS AND AFFECTED POPULATIONS LIKE THE SCHOOLS AND DAYCARES.

UM, AND WE PROVIDE TESTING THROUGH OUR STATE, STATE LAB, UM, WHERE WE REALLY NEED TO HELP SUPPORT SOMEONE WHO NEEDS TO CONFIRM DIAGNOSIS.

I GUESS IT'S A STANDARD FORM THAT'S ON THIS COUNTY FORM.

UM, ANOTHER THING THAT WE'VE SEEN AN INCREASE OF IS PERTUSSIS, WHICH IS WHOOPING COUGH.

UM, SO, UM, SPECIFICALLY OUR INCREASE HAS BEEN IN WARREN COUNTY, UM, AND WE'VE WORKED TO CONDUCT EXTENSIVE CASE INVESTIGATION, CONTACT TRACING, AS WELL AS PROVIDE OUTREACH TO COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS AND HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS.

SO THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE CONTINUING TO KEEP AN EYE ON AND TRACK.

SO I'M LEANNE SWEENEY.

I'M THE BUSINESS MANAGER, EXCUSE ME, UH, FOR THE HEALTH DISTRICT.

SO I'M GONNA GO OVER THE FINANCIAL PART OF THE PRESENTATION.

SO AS YOU GUYS, UM, I'M SURE AWARE OF IS THE CODE OF VIRGINIA DOES REQUIRE EVERY CITY AND COUNTY TO HAVE A HEALTH DEPARTMENT.

AND EACH YEAR WE ENTER, UH, YOU ENTER INTO A CONTRACT AND THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR SIGNS, IT INCLUDES THE SERVICES MANDATED BY THE STATE TO BE PROVIDED.

UM, I'M GONNA SHOW YOU SLIDES OF WHAT WE DO PROVIDE, BUT, UH, TARA HAS ACTUALLY GONE OVER MOST OF THESE WITH YOU.

BUT JUST SOMETHING TO REAL MAKE YOU REALIZE IS EVERYTHING IS BY CODE IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA THAT ARE MANDATED TO US.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE JUST SAY WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE THIS SERVICE.

EXCUSE ME.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS IN CODE OF VIRGINIA THAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO, TO TAKE CARE OF.

BUT, UM, THERE'S LIKE THREE SLIDES AND I BELIEVE YOU GUYS HAVE THESE SLIDES.

SO TALKING ABOUT THE FY 25 BUDGET DEFICIT.

SO AS WAS BROUGHT UP A LITTLE EARLIER IN FY 25, WE HAD REQUESTED $488,057.

UM, THE BOARD DID APPROVE $420,000.

AND WHEN WE DID THE BUDGET WITH THE GENERAL FUND THAT CAME THROUGH, WE DID COME BACK AND REQUEST THE ADDITIONAL 24,700 FROM, UH, THE COUNTY TO GET ALL THE STATE GENERAL FUND DRAWN DOWN, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN A TOTAL AMOUNT OF $54,987 DUE TO THAT NON-APPROVAL.

WE ARE IN THE SHORTFALL AND WE HAD TO RELOCATE THAT POSITION TO OUR ANOTHER LOCALITY.

UM, AND THIS JUST WILL MAKE AN INCREASE IN RESPONSE.

DUE TO THAT LACK OF A EMPLOYEE AT THAT LOCATION IN WARREN COUNTY RIGHT NOW, WE WERE ABLE TO REDUCE THE NON-PERSONNEL EXPO, UH, EXPENSES TO BRING THE AMOUNT DOWN FROM THE ORIGINAL AMOUNT REQUESTED STILL TO ASK FOR THAT ADDITIONAL FUNDING.

SO FOR FY 26, WE'RE GOING ON THE BASIS OF OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS.

UM, THE BUDGETING FOR THIS GENERAL STATE FUND IS ABOUT A 3.4% INCREASE EACH YEAR.

SO WITH THAT, WE'RE PROJECTING AND REQUESTING FROM WARREN COUNTY $462,534.

AND AGAIN, WE WORKED REALLY HARD ON OUR BUDGET FOR NON-PERSONAL EXPENDITURES, UM, TO REQUEST LESS THAN WE DID LAST YEAR, AND HOPING THAT WE CAN DRAW DOWN THE STATE MATCH AND REESTABLISH THE H POSITION IN WARREN.

AND ANY QUESTIONS FROM YOU GUYS? UH,

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WASN'T THAT SPREADSHEET.

UM, AND IT'S, IT SEEMS LIKE THE LAST, THE LAST, UH, GROUP HAD THE SAME ISSUE AND IT SEEMS ODD.

UM, IF I LOOK AT TOTAL OF TOTAL FUNDING AND I LOOK AT A YEAR TO DATE FOR 20 FY 25, AND I LOOK AT PROJECTED FOR 25, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE RECEIVED ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF YOUR FUNDING.

SO UNDER, WELL ABOUT HALFWAY THROUGH THE FISCAL YEAR.

SO I'VE, IN THOSE PROJECTIONS IS WE'VE ALREADY GOT ALL OUR STATE FUND AND WE'VE, WE'RE SAYING WE'VE ALREADY RECEIVED ALL YOUR FUNDING AND WE'VE ALSO SAYING WE'VE GOT MOST OF OUR, ALL OUR GRANT FUNDING, WHICH OUR GRANTS RUN DIFFERENT YEARS.

SO LIKE ONE GRANT YEAR MIGHT BE JANUARY TO DECEMBER, ONE MIGHT BE FROM OCTOBER TO MARCH.

SO THERE, IT'S REALLY HARD TO SAY YEAR TO PHYSICAL.

YEAR TO PHYSICAL YEAR EXACTLY.

MONEY.

BUT THAT IS ALL THE REVENUE IN.

THE ONLY THING THAT WE ARE STILL GETTING REVENUE IN FROM IS OUR ACTUAL INCOME FROM OUR SERVICES SUCH AS EH AND MEDICAL.

AND ACTUALLY OUR EH, UM, REVENUE IS DOWN ABOUT 10% OVER LAST YEAR.

WELL, IT ACTUALLY SHOWS THE WARREN COUNTY, YOUR WARREN COUNTY YEAR TO DATE IS 180 6 OUT OF FOUR 20.

THAT'S WHAT IT'S REPORTING HERE.

YEAH, YOU JUST SAID IT.

THE THEIR PAYMENTS TO US.

OH YEAH, THE PAYMENTS.

SO YEAH, SO WE STILL HAVE THAT.

SO WE'RE ABOUT HALFWAY ON THAT, BUT IN THE TOTAL, IT'S JUST CONFUSING WHEN TOTAL FUNDING IS, IS A MILLION AND, AND, UH, EXPECTED IS 1.5 APPROXIMATELY, AND WE'RE HALFWAY THROUGH THE YEAR.

THE OTHER HALF OF THAT IS, TOTAL EXPENSES ARE ON, ON THIS FORM AT LEAST ARE SIX 40, WHERE PROJECTED TOTAL EXPENSES ARE 1.5 MILLION, SO THAT'S ABOUT A THIRD.

SO IT'S JUST CONFUSING TO SEE THE PRESENTA, THE, THESE TABLES, HOWEVER THEY WERE FILLED OUT THAT TWO THIRDS OF MONEY HAS BEEN, HAS COME IN WHEN YOU'RE HALFWAY THROUGH THE YEAR AND ONE THIRD OF EXPENSES HAVE BEEN INCURRED WHEN WE'RE HALFWAY THROUGH THE YEAR.

SO DO YOU, DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING BY LOOKING AT THESE NUMBERS? YEAH, SO SOME OF THAT PRO, SOME OF THAT IS THE WAY OUR TIMING IS AS FAR AS OUR EXPENDITURES.

SO I WILL TELL YOU, WE PAY A LOT ON A CREDIT CARD.

A LOT OF OUR EXPENSES ARE ON CREDIT CARD AND THEY ARE ABOUT TWO MONTHS BEHIND RIGHT NOW ON OUR EXPENDITURES BECAUSE IT GOES THROUGH, IT'S A DUE PROCESS.

THEY'RE TRYING, ALRIGHT, LET'S TAKE PERSONNEL, UH, FOR 500 YEAR TO DATE, 512 K YEAR TO DATE.

AND THE PROJECTED IS 1.2 MILLION.

DOES THAT, DOES THAT SOUND ABOUT RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S A LITTLE UNDER, UNDER.

SAY SAY THAT ONE PIECE AGAIN, I'M SORRY.

WELL, THE PERSONNEL COSTS YEAR TO DATE ARE 512, BUT THEY'RE EXPECTED, THEY'RE PROJECTED TO BE 1.2 MILLION FOR INFORMATION.

WE REQUEST THESE FORMS FROM THE AGENCIES BACK IN NOVEMBER.

THAT HELPS WITH THE PERSONNEL.

AND THEN THE OPERATIONS, YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY THAT'S FLOATING OUT ON, ON CREDIT.

DO YOU, ARE YOU LOOKING AT THE SAME PAGE I'M LOOKING AT? I DON'T HAVE THAT.

OH, YOU DON'T HAVE IT.

THAT'S FORM IN FRONT OF ME.

SO THE OTHER PART IS WE INVOICE THE COUNTY EVERY QUARTER FOR QUARTERLY THEIR PAYMENT CHECK.

AND SO THERE'S, BY OUR, BY THE CONTRACT THAT, UM, MR. DALEY SIGNS, IT LAYS OUT THE MONTHS WHERE WE REQUEST THOSE FUNDS.

AND SO EVERY QUARTER LEANNE SENDS THAT INVOICE TO THE COUNTY.

THE COUNTY MAKES THAT PAYMENT.

SO PROBABLY WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT, WE HAD COLLECTED, SO THIS IS PROBABLY A QUARTER BEHIND THEN.

AND I WILL SAY WE HAD FOUND AN, UH, DISCREPANCY THAT I ADDED A LITTLE EXTRA TO THE LAST TWO PAYMENTS.

'CAUSE I WAS, I HAD SHORTED INVOICED THEM FOR THE, THE FIRST TWO PAYMENTS.

THEY ACTUALLY JUST GOT THE THIRD, UH, INSTALLMENT.

SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS IT'S A REPORTING, IT'S A REPORTING THAT YOU SEE HOW THIS LOOKS.

I MEAN IT'S JUST LIKE, SO THIS, THIS IS NOT THE FORM WE USE.

THIS WAS YEAH.

THE FORM THAT THEY ASKED US TO FILL OUT.

SO WE USE A WHOLE DIFFERENT FORM FOR OUR TRACKING, BUT THIS IS HOW, SO LIKE THE STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS ALL OUR GRANTS.

THE PROGRAM SERVICE REVENUE OF COURSE IS WHAT WE HAVE DONE YEAR TO DATE PLUS WHAT WE ARE PROJECTING.

BUT I WILL TELL YOU OUR PROJECTIONS, THEY'RE VERY, THEY'RE PROJECTIONS.

THEY'RE PROJECTIONS.

AND WE'VE SEEN, WE PROJECT BASED ON LAST YEAR AND WE'RE DOWN.

I MEAN IT LOOKS LIKE THE INCOME'S AHEAD OF SCHEDULE, BUT THE, BUT THE EXPENSES ARE BEHIND SCHEDULE THAT, THAT'S THE PICTURE THAT'S PRESENTED HERE.

SO, SO YOU STILL THINK YOUR PROJECTIONS ARE ARE FOR, FOR EXPENSES ARE PROBABLY IN LINE WITH REALITY.

IF WE WEREN'T GOING TO MOVE A STAFF PERSON, THEN OUR PROJECTIONS WOULD BE DIFFERENT.

LIKE WE WOULD BE SIGNIFICANT.

YOU CAN SEE THAT WHERE IT SAYS OUR TOTAL FUNDING, OUR EXPENDITURES EXCEED THE TOTAL FUNDING.

AND SO THAT IS WHY WE HAVE TO MOVE A STAFF MEMBER BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE WOULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY OVERSPENT.

WHICH WOULD THEN BECOME THE OBLIGATION OF THE COUNTY AND STATE.

THE REVENUE WE'RE KIND OF, EVERYTHING IS NOW LIKE WE'VE GOT IT ALL IN OUR POCKET EXCEPT THE YEAR ALL'S PART AND THEN THE REVENUE, BUT THEN THE EXPENSES BECAUSE OF PAYROLLS AND THINGS LIKE THAT ARE SPREAD OUT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT, YOU THINK IT'S JUST RE LAGS IN REPORTING THAT THAT ACCOUNT FOR THE NON PROPORTIONALITY OF, OF THE YEAR TO DATE NUMBERS WITH THE CURRENT, WITH THE NUMBER OF MONTHS THAT HAVE PASSED IN THE FISCAL YEAR THEN AND WITH THE REVENUE? YEAH.

'CAUSE

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CAN I ASK A QUESTION? OF COURSE.

UM, JUST SITTING HERE LISTENING AT, YOU KNOW, UM, YOUR RATIONALE FOR MOVING THE ENVIRONMENTAL PERSON BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T FULLY STAFF HIM.

I, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

UM, BUT HOW DID YOU MAKE THAT DETERMINATION THAT THAT PERSON WOULD GO VERSUS SAY YOUR VOLUNTEER COORDINATOR? SO THE VOLUNTEER COORDINATOR IS PAID FOR BY A GRANT.

SO WE HAVE TO SELECT A POSITION THAT'S FUNDED BY, UM, STATE AND COUNTY DOLLARS.

AND SO, UM, IN OUR WARREN COUNTY OFFICE, WE HAVE TWO NURSES.

WE HAVE THREE BUSINESS OFFICE STAFF, AND WE HAVE FOUR ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH SPECIALISTS.

UH, SO THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH SPECIALISTS HAVE THE GREATEST NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES, BUT THE OTHER PART OF THAT IS THE ONLY POSITION I HAD VACANT AT THE TIME, SO SOMEONE WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE TERMINATED WAS AN ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH SPECIALIST POSITION IN ANOTHER COUNTY.

SO IT, IT WASN'T A PERSON REMOVED, IT WAS VACANT TO I I GET IT.

I, I JUST HAD TO SIT HERE AND, AND SOMEONE WHO HAD TO MAKE DECISIONS AT ONE POINT YEAH.

OVER WHAT I COULD DO WITH THE STAFF I HAD.

UM, I WAS JUST WONDERING WHY WOULD YOU KEEP YOUR CORE VOLUNTEER COORDINATOR OVER I, I MEAN IF IT WAS ME, BUT I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT WAS A, A GRANT.

SO THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE AT THIS POINT.

A LOT OF OUR POSITIONS ARE GRANT FUNDED.

IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE NOW.

OTHERWISE I WAS LIKE, HOW DID, WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT? SO, YEAH, VERY GOOD QUESTION.

A COUPLE QUESTIONS HERE.

SO DO WE, DO YOU HAVE A CONTRACT OR AN MOU OR SOMETHING WITH WARREN COUNTY? YES.

SO IS IT A ONE YEAR? IT'S YEAR TO YEAR.

IT'S YEAR TO YEAR.

IT'S CALLED A LOCAL GOVERNMENT AGREEMENT.

OKAY, VERY GOOD.

AND SO IN THAT AGREEMENT IT'S AT, WE, WE COMMITTED TO THE 3.4% ANNUALLY.

NO, NO, IT'S JUST ONE, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.

THAT'S ALL THE AGREEMENT THAT THE BOARD APPROVES EVERY YEAR RIGHT.

TO GET A COPY.

SO, SO, SO FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR, IT'S THE 300 AND, OR THE FOUR 20, THE 4 24 20,000.

AND THAT ONCE WE APPROVE OUR BUDGET, WE WILL HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH WHATEVER BUDGET THAT THE BOARD APPROVES.

SO THE 460 2K THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING IS NOT TIED INTO AN OBLIGATION OF, UH, A THREE YEAR TERM AGREEMENT.

SO, OKAY, VERY GOOD.

SO, UM, WITH THE INCREASE, 'CAUSE I WAS KIND OF DOING THE NUMBERS HERE.

SO YOU'RE ASKING FOR 40 2K MORE FROM LAST YEAR.

NOW THE, AND THEN WHEN I READ THE TEXT HERE, IT SAYS IT'S GONNA GO TO OPERATIONS.

WHEN I READ YOUR DESCRIPTION WHERE THE MONEY'S GONNA GO TO, SO IS THAT, IS THAT 40 2K GOING TO HELP BRING ANOTHER EMPLOYEE BACK ONLINE? YES.

THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT THE REQUEST IS, IS TO YES, GET THAT, TO GET REESTABLISH BACK TO THIS LOCALITY INSTEAD OF HAVING TO SEND 'EM TO ANOTHER LOCALITY.

AND IT ALSO COVER, SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE, THE GOVERNOR MAKES DECISIONS ON IF AND WHEN STAFF RECEIVE INCREASES.

AND SO THE GOVERNOR HAS APPROVED A 3% INCREASE.

SO IT ALSO INCLUDES THAT, THAT FOR YOUR STATE, THE COUNTY'S OBLIGATION OF THAT PIECE OF THE INCREASE, UHHUH .

AND THEN TYPICALLY WHAT WE DO IS WE LOOK ACROSS THE LAST THREE YEARS TO SEE WHAT THE INCREASE HAS BEEN.

'CAUSE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE FIGURED INTO THAT INCREASE MAY INCLUDE THINGS LIKE HEALTH BENEFITS, UM, IT SERVICES, ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

SO OUR SORT OF THE BEST METHODOLOGY THAT WE'VE COME UP WITH IS LOOKING AT, UM, LOOKING AT THE AVERAGE OF THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS UNLESS THERE'S BEEN SOMETHING OUT OF THE ORDINARY.

AND SO WE USE THAT SAME METHODOLOGY AND BUILD IN WHAT WE KNOW HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED.

FOR EXAMPLE, IF IT HAS BEEN BY THE GOVERNOR MM-HMM .

SO IS IT SAFE TO SAY THAT THE 40 2K INCREASE IS, IS GOING TO GO TO PERSONNEL? YEAH.

AND JUST TO THROW SOMETHING OUT OUT ALSO, I DON'T KNOW, DO YOU PER, DO THEY GET A COPY OF THE YEAR END SETTLEMENTS? YES.

SO THAT ALSO IS A GOOD MEASURE FOR YOU GUYS TO SEE WHAT WAS DONE THAT YEAR, HOW IT ENDED, WHERE EXPENSES WERE, WHERE REVENUE WAS.

I GUESS IT'S A MATTER OF DETAIL TO POINT OUT, BUT THAT'S A 10% INCREASE FROM LAST YEAR.

INCREASE FROM THAT NUMBER.

IT'S BASED UPON OUR, OUR STATE, BASED UPON WHAT WE WOULD'VE NEEDED TO DRAW DOWN TO BE FULLY FUNDED.

THAT'S A 3.3 0.4%

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FOR, FOR US FROM LAST YEAR, IT'LL BE 10%.

BECAUSE 'CAUSE YOU WHAT WE REQUESTED.

GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD AND COUNTY STAFF, UH, WE'RE HERE TO TALK TO YOU, UH, TONIGHT ABOUT THREE SPECIFIC, UH, PROJECTS WE HAVE FOR OUR EMS EQUIPMENT, UH, REPLACEMENT AND ACQUISITION.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT WE TAKE A, UH, UH, JUST A, A VERY SHORT BREAK AND BE BACK AT, UH, 10 AFTER THANK YOU COMPLAINT.

[F. Fire and Rescue - EMS Equipment Acquisition]

UM, I'LL GO OVER EACH ONE OF THOSE INITIATIVES, TALK TO YOU ABOUT WHEN YOU'RE GONNA SEE THEM AND WHAT THE PROCESS WILL BE FOR THE ACQUISITION.

UH, FIRST AND FOREMOST, UH, PROBABLY THE LARGEST ONE OF THE THREE IS A CARDIAC MONITOR, A ED, AND LUCAS, UH, CHEST COMPRESSION DEVICE REPLACEMENT.

UH, THE DEPARTMENT IS SEEKING TO REPLACE NINE OF OUR LIFE PACK CARDIAC MONITORS, 15 AUTOMATIC EXTERNAL DEFIBRILLATORS, AND SEVEN OF OUR LUCAS CHEST COMPRESSION DEVICES.

UM, ULTIMATELY WE'RE LOOKING TO REPLACE THOSE DUE TO THE AGE OF THE EXISTING EQUIPMENT.

AS SOME OF YOU HAVE HEARD OR MAY REMEMBER BACK TO OUR LAST BUDGET CYCLE, UH, WE WERE CURRENTLY IN A BLACKOUT PERIOD.

SO WE HAD THE, UM, CURRENT LIFE PACKS.

UH, WE WERE BUYING A, UH, WARRANTY AND ANNUAL SERVICE AGREEMENT OUTSIDE OF WHAT THE WARRANTY WAS, BASICALLY BECAUSE THE VENDOR DID NOT HAVE A REPLACEMENT MODEL TO REPLACE THOSE.

WHEN WE HIT THE END OF THE TERM, UM, OF THAT AGREEMENT, UH, WE NOW FIND THAT, UM, STRYKER AND LIFEPAK HAS RELEASED THE NEW LIFEPAK 35 MODEL, UM, THAT IS CURRENTLY, UH, GOING IN SERVICE THROUGHOUT THE REGION.

MOST NOTABLY, FAKI COUNTY HAS PLACED THEM IN SERVICE.

HANOCK COUNTY HAS PLACED THEM IN SERVICE.

SO WE'RE LOOKING TO REPLACE THE CURRENT LIFE PACK MONITORS, UH, THAT WE HAVE IS WITH THAT IS ALSO AN OPPORTUNE TIME TO REPLACE THE AEDS, UM, ON OUR VARIOUS STAFF VEHICLES, FIRE APPARATUS, UM, ET CETERA.

THE LIFE PACK CARDIAC MONITOR IS THE A ED ON OUR MEDIC UNITS, OUR AMBULANCE TRANSPORT UNITS.

UH, THESE WOULD BE STANDALONE AUTOMATIC EXTE EXTERNAL DEFIBRILLATORS FOR OUR STAFF VEHICLES, UH, FIRE TRUCKS, ET CETERA, AS WELL AS OUR LUCAS CHEST COMPRESSION DEVICES THAT WE CARRY ON OUR EMS TRANSPORT UNITS.

UH, THE ONLY REASON WHY WE ARE REPLACING SEVEN VERSUS NINE LIKE THE CARDIAC MONITORS IS BECAUSE WE HAVE PHASED THESE IN AND WE STILL HAVE SOME USABLE LIFE ON, UM, A COUPLE OF THE DEVICES THAT WE HAVE RECENTLY ACQUIRED.

SO WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY IN THE NEED TO REPLACE NINE TOTAL DEVICES.

UH, WITH THIS, UH, THE BEST WAY FOR US TO ACQUIRE THIS BASED OFF OF THE, UH, BOTTOM LINE COST OF $856,005 AND 92 CENTS IS THROUGH A, UH, FINANCIAL AGREEMENT THROUGH STRYKER FLEX.

UH, WE HAVE WORKED WITH OUR FINANCE TEAM, UH, AND COUNTY ADMINISTRATION, UH, TO GO OUT AND LOOK AT WHAT THE BEST RATES POSSIBLE ARE.

UM, WE HAVE WORKED WITH STRYKER AND THEY HAVE, UM, PROVIDED US A 3% INTEREST RATE, UM, ON THAT FOR A SIX YEAR TERM.

UM, OUR CURRENT COST RECOVERY BUDGET, UH, SO IF WE ACQUIRE THESE TODAY, WE ALREADY HAVE A LINE ITEM BUILT INTO THE BUDGET FOR THIS PROJECT, UM, AS WELL AS, UH, NEXT YEAR'S, UH, BUDGET THAT WE JUST RECENTLY SUBMITTED ALSO CARRIES A LINE ITEM FOR THAT.

AND WE SEE NO CHANGE IN THE ABILITY TO, UM, MEET THOSE FISCAL OBLIGATIONS THROUGH THE COST RECOVERY PROGRAM.

UH, SO WE'RE HERE ASKING FOR THAT PROJECT AS IT RELATES TO PART OF THE COST RECOVERY PROGRAM.

UM, TALKING TO OUR FINANCE TEAM, WE WILL ACQUIRE THOSE BASED OFF OF A SOLE SOURCE, UH, PROCUREMENT.

ALL OF THAT HAS BEEN, UH, APPROVED BY OUR FINANCE AND PROCUREMENT TEAM.

AND, UH, OUR, UH, LEGAL IS ASKING US BASED OFF OF THE COMMITTAL OF FUNDS FOR A SIX YEAR TERM THAT WILL GO TO A PUBLIC HEARING, UH, MEMORIALIZED BY A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO EXECUTE THAT,

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UH, FINANCIAL AGREEMENT.

UH, SO THAT WILL BE ON YOUR AGENDA, UM, NEXT WEEK, THE 21ST, UH, TO, FOR AN AUTHORIZATION TO ADVERTISE AT A, UM, THE MEETING OF THE FOURTH IS HOW THAT WILL LOOK.

WITH THAT, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AS IT RELATES TO THAT SPECIFIC PROJECT? NO, I REALLY LIKE THE, UH, THE, YOUR, YOUR LAST LINE THERE.

IT SAYS NO NEW FUNDS WERE, ARE REQUESTED .

THAT'S GOOD.

I'VE LEARNED THAT YOU ALL LIKE THAT.

VERY MUCH.

SO THE NEXT PROJECT, WE'RE NOT SEEKING ANY NEW FUNDS AS WELL, AND THAT IS OUR BARIATRIC PATIENT RESPONSE CAPABILITIES.

UH, THE DEPARTMENT IS SEEKING TO REPLACE ONE MANUAL STAIR CHAIR AND ONE MANUAL STRETCHER AND COT SYSTEM, UM, WITH A POWER COT AND POWER LOAD SYSTEM.

UH, WE HAVE ONE EMS TRANSPORT UNIT CURRENTLY IN THE FLEET.

UM, THAT CHIEF SERNA HAS, UH, BASICALLY LOOKED AT MILEAGE MAINTENANCE COST AND DETERMINED THAT IT WOULD BE ADVANTAGEOUS FOR US TO RETROFIT THAT WITH A POWER COT AND POWER LOAD SYSTEM, UM, ABSENT WAITING FOR ITS REPLACEMENT.

SO THIS WILL BE THE, THE, THE LAST UNIT IN THE CURRENT FLEET THAT WILL BE REPLACED, UH, IN THE REPLACEMENT CYCLE.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT OUR EMS COMMITTEE HAS, UM, ASKED US TO LOOK AT IS, UH, TRYING TO INCREASE OUR BARIATRIC PATIENT RESPONSE CAPABILITIES.

UH, RIGHT NOW, THE CURRENT POWER CAUGHT AND POWER LOAD SYSTEMS THAT YOU SEE COMING ON THE NEW MEDIC UNITS THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO SEE AS PART OF THAT DEMONSTRATION, THAT'S THE PUSH OF A BUTTON.

AND IT RAISES, UH, THAT CURRENT STRETCHER MAXES OUT AT 550 POUNDS FROM 550 TO 700 POUNDS.

IT TAKES STAFF ASSISTANCE TO LIFT THAT, UH, DEVICE.

UM, THE LOAD SYSTEM IS RATED AT THE 700 POUND CAPACITY.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT TAKING AND RETROFITTING THIS EMS UNIT WITH THAT 700 POUND LOAD SYSTEM, BUT MORE SO A COT THAT WOULD LIFT THE FULL 700 POUNDS AND NOT REQUIRE ANY MANUAL STAFF ASSISTANCE TO BRING THAT PATIENT INTO A LOAD POSITION.

SO OUR, OUR UNITS WOULD BE SPECIFIC AND, AND RATED TO 700 POUNDS.

ANYTHING OVER 700 POUNDS, WE WOULD REQUIRE THE USE OF, UH, A REGIONAL BARIATRIC THAT HAS A BARIATRIC RESPONSE UNIT OUT OF FREDERICK COUNTY THAT HAS A RAMP IN WINCH SYSTEM.

SO THIS WILL ALLOW US TO HAVE A 700 POUND LIFT CAPACITY, UH, AND QUITE FRANKLY, PROTECT OUR RESPONDERS FROM KNEE INJURIES, BACK INJURIES AS PART OF THAT LIFTING PROCESS.

UH, ADDITIONALLY, WE ARE LOOKING AT A POWER STAIR CHAIR THAT CURRENTLY WE HAVE MANUAL IN THE FLEET, AND THAT STAIR CHAIR IS A DEVICE THAT MOBILIZE OR, UH, ASSIST A MOBILIZATION OF PATIENT THROUGH TIGHT CORRIDORS OR UP AND DOWN STEPS, UM, THAT TAKES STAFF TO LIFT THAT THIS WOULD ALLOW THAT 700 POUND CAPACITY, AND IT WOULD BE A BATTERY OPERATED STAIR CHAIR THAT WOULD REALLY, UH, WALK THE PATIENT PER SE OR CRAWL IT THROUGH A TRACK SYSTEM DOWN A FLIGHT OF STEPS, PER SE, UH, AND ELIMINATING THE NEED FOR STAFF TO LIFT THAT AMOUNT OF WEIGHT.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AS IT RELATES TO THAT? I HAVE TO LOOK THAT, WHAT'S THAT? I'M SORRY.

I I CAN GOOGLE WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE.

SO, NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS THE, UM, EMERGENCY MEDICAL CARE AND TRANSPORT FEE SCHEDULED CHANGES.

THANK YOU, SIR.

UM, SO YEAH, UH, THAT WOULD ALSO LEAD US TO OUR NEXT PROJECT.

SO PHASE THREE OF THAT, AND THAT IS THE REPLACEMENT OF 11 OF OUR MANUAL STAIR CHAIRS.

UM, THE COST, I'M SORRY, THE COST OF THAT WOULD BE $73,236.

SO THOSE STAIR CHAIRS ARE AGING.

WE DO NOT REPLACE THOSE WHEN WE ORDER A NEW MEDIC UNIT.

UH, SO WE FIND OURSELVES IN THE POSITION, UM, IN NEED TO REPLACE SOME OF THOSE BASED OFF OF AGE.

UM, ALL OF THESE DEVICES, UM, AS PART OF THE PACKAGE, UH, WOULD COME WITH AN ANNUAL MAINTENANCE AND SERVICE AGREEMENT THROUGH THE RESPECTIVE VENDOR, UM, ALL OF WHICH WE ARE NOT SEEKING ANY NEW FUNDS.

ALL, ALL OF THIS WOULD BE HANDLED THROUGH CURRENT COST RECOVERY BUDGET OR OUR COST RECOVERY FA FUND BALANCE.

UM, WITH THAT, I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

NONE FOR ME.

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NO LITTLE QUESTIONS.

I, I KNOW WHAT THAT STARE, BUT THAT THING WOULD SCARE ME TO DEATH.

I'M SORRY, .

SOMEONE TAKING ME DOWN IN A WHEELCHAIR WOULD SCARE ME AS WELL, BUT WHEW.

YEAH, NO, ABSOLUTELY.

BUT SOMETIMES IT IS THE SAFEST MEASURE.

OH, ABSOLUTELY.

UM, IT'S THE SAFEST MEASURE, NOT ONLY FOR THE PATIENT IF THEY'RE ABLE TO STAY IN THE SEATED POSITION, BUT QUITE FRANKLY OUR STAFF, UM MM-HMM .

SO THE STAIR CHAIR PROJECT IN THE POWER CO POWER LOAD IN MANUAL, UH, OUR POWER STAIR CHAIR, THOSE TWO PROJECTS WILL BE ON YOUR AGENDA FOR APPROVAL, UM, AT YOUR NEXT MEETING.

UM, SO THREE DIFFERENT ITEMS. WITH THAT, WE THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, CHIEF.

[G. 2025 Emergency Medical Care and Transport Fee Schedule Changes]

UH, GOOD EVENING.

I'M ACTUALLY STANDING IN FOR LIEUTENANT FOLEY THIS EVENING.

SO HE'S HOME.

IT'S US SICK, AND, UH, BRIAN ALWAYS DOES A GREAT JOB, UM, WITH THIS, NOT ONLY, UM, IN THE, UH, IN THE WHOLE IDEA OF THE REVENUE STREAM, BUT ALSO IN THE CAPACITY OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.

BUT, UH, HE WAS, I WAS JUST TELLING JANE IN THE BACK, HE, HE TOOK TIME TO DRAFT, UH, A VERY BRIEF EXECUTIVE SUMMARY TO, UM, WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.

UM, AND IN THAT, UM, I, I SAID, WELL, I'LL PARAPHRASE.

AND HE QUICKLY SAID, I, I WOULD APPRECIATE IF YOU WOULD READ IT VERBATIM.

AND I SAID, ABSOLUTELY.

SO I'LL FOLLOW, I'LL FOLLOW SUIT.

SO WE'VE BEEN ASKED, UH, THE EMERGENCY MEDICAL CARE AND TRANSPORT FEE SCHEDULE CHANGES INCLUDE A VERY MODEST 2.4% OR RAISE IN TRANSPORT RATES FOR RURAL EMS AGENCIES.

THIS IS IN AN INDUSTRY STANDARD RATE THAT IS APPROVED FOR, UM, BY MEDICARE AND MEDICAID.

UM, WE HAVE ASKED FOR A NEW CHANGE TO THE EMS BILLING RATES, TREATED NO TRANSPORT.

UH, THIS FEE IS INTRODUCED BECAUSE OF THE HIGH NUMBER OF EMS INCIDENTS THAT DO NOT GENERATE ANY REVENUE, RIGHT AROUND 36%.

UH, EMS INCIDENTS THAT FALL INTO THE CATEGORY ARE CALLS WHERE THE AMBULANCE IS CANCELED.

PUBLIC SERVICE CALLS AND CALLS WHERE THE PATIENT IS TREATED AND REFUSES TRANSPORT TO THE HOSPITAL.

A PRIME EXAMPLE, THIS IS A DIABETIC PATIENT WITH A LOW BLOOD SUGAR, TYPICALLY RESPOND TO THESE INCIDENTS, EXCUSE ME, TAKE BOTTLES, PERFORM A BLOOD GLUCOSE CHECK, START AN IV, AND GIVE DEXTRO, SIR, 25 GRAMS OF D 50 THROUGH THE IV INTRAVENOUS ACCESS TO INCREASE THE PATIENT'S BLOOD SUGAR LEVEL.

ONCE STABILIZED, START AN, UM, EXCUSE ME, ONCE STABILIZED THE PATIENT AND USUALLY REFUSES TRANSPORT BECAUSE THEY'RE A CONSCIOUS ORIENTED AND REALIZE THEY'LL FOLLOW UP THEIR PRIMARY CARE.

IN THE PAST, VALLEY HEALTH PROVIDED THE MEDICATION AND EQUIPMENT AT NO COST.

HOWEVER, THINGS HAVE CHANGED.

WITH THESE NEW CHANGES, WE WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE EQUIPMENT AS WELL AS UNDERWRITING THE COST OF THE MEDICATION, THE TREATMENT, NO TRANSPORT FEE IS NOT COVERED BY MEDICARE OR MEDICAID.

ONLY A PATIENT'S PRIVATE INSURANCE AFTER A TREATED NO TRANSPORT INCIDENT, THE COUNTY EMS BILLING AGENCY, EMS MANAGEMENT AND CONSULTANTS WILL SEND THE PATIENT A LETTER ASKING THEM TO PROVIDE THEIR INSURANCE INFORMATION FOR BILLING PURPOSES.

PATIENTS WILL NOT RECEIVE A BILL FOR SERVICE.

PATIENTS WILL NOT RECEIVE A BILL FOR THIS SERVICE.

IF A PATIENT DOES NOT HAVE INSURANCE OR DOES NOT PROVIDE INSURANCE INFORMATION, THERE IS NO FURTHER ACTION TO BE TAKEN.

THAT'S IT.

AND I'LL ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS, NONE FROM ME, NO QUESTION.

BUT I, I LISTEN TO A LOT OF THESE CALLS AND YOU HAVE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF, OF CALLS FOR HELP, AND THEN YOU GET THERE AND THEY DON'T WANT TREATMENT, WHICH EVERY TIME YOU GO OUT, THERE'S AN EXPENSE FOR THAT.

SO, UM, I, I THINK THE WAY IT'S SET UP IS, UM, REASONABLE.

UM, YOU PROVIDE A SERVICE WHILE THEY'RE SO, SO, I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ADD, ADDING THAT TRAN TREATMENT, NEW TRANSPORT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, MS. CALLERS.

Y'ALL HAVE A GOOD EVENING.

SO NEXT STEP, WE'VE GOT THE, UH, TEXT AMENDMENT, UH, DISCUSSION FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE WARREN COUNTY PLANNING STAFF.

THANK YOU, CHIEF.

[H. Text Amendment Discussion - Z2024-11-01 - Conditional Use - Warren County Planning Staff - A request to amend Chapter 180 of the Warren County Code to amend §180-63 to modify the termination, expiration, extension, and re-application procedures for conditional uses. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator]

LET'S SEE.

CONDITIONAL USE FIRST.

HELLO.

OKAY, SO CONDITIONAL USE.

THE MAIN PURPOSE OF THIS TEXT AMENDMENT IS TO SEPARATE THE EXPIRATION OF A

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CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FROM THE ESTABLISHED TERMINATION PROCEDURES.

SO THAT CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS CAN BE EXPIRED ADMINISTRATIVELY WITHOUT HAVING TO PURSUE A LENGTHY AND COSTLY PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS.

ADDITIONAL PROPOSED CHANGES INCLUDE A RESTRICTION ON THE REAPPLICATION OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THE SAME LAND USE FOR THE SAME PROPERTY FOR A SPECIFIED TIMEFRAME.

IN ADDITION OF A PUBLIC, SORRY, PUBLIC HEARING AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAGE OF CUP TERMINATION PROCEDURES.

IN THE ADDITION OF AN APPLICATION FEE TO REQUEST AN EXTENSION TO A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FROM THE BOARD, CURRENTLY EXPIRATION OF A CONDITIONAL USE IS LISTED AS A VALID REASON FOR WHICH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MAY TERMINATE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

SO, UNDER THIS FORMAT, PLANNING STAFF MUST ISSUE A NOTICE OF TERMINATION PROCEDURES LETTER VIA CERTIFIED MAIL.

WAIT 30 DAYS FOR A RESPONSE, PLACE THE TERMINATION REQUEST ON A PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA AS NEW BUSINESS FOR DISCUSSION AND A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD.

AND THEN THE BOARD MUST HOLD AT LEAST ONE PUBLIC HEARING PRIOR TO RENDERING ITS DECISION.

PLANNING STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE EXPIRATION PROCEDURES FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT BE ESTABLISHED UNDER A SEPARATE SUBSECTION WITH PROCEDURES FOR ADMINISTRATIVE EXPIRATION AND REQUESTING AN EXTENSION FROM THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

THIS WOULD ALLOW FOR THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR TO EXPIRE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IF THE USE HAS NOT BEEN ESTABLISHED WITHIN THREE CALENDAR YEARS, OR IF THE USE HAS BEEN ABANDONED FOR THREE CALENDAR YEARS WITHOUT HAVING TO PURSUE THE FULL TERMINATION PROCESS.

THE PROPOSED SUBSECTION WILL REQUIRE THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR TO SEND CERTIFIED NOTICE OF IMPENDING CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT EXPIRATION TO THE PERMIT HOLDER, AND GRANT THE PERMIT HOLDER 30 DAYS FROM RECEIPT OF THE NOTICE TO APPLY FOR AN EXTENSION.

THE PROCEDURES FOR REQUESTING AN EXTENSION FROM THE BOARD WILL REMAIN THE SAME, HOWEVER, THERE WOULD BE THE ADDITION OF A $100 APPLICATION FEE TO MAKE THAT REQUEST.

UH, PLANNING STAFF INITIALLY PROPOSED A RESTRICTION ON REAPPLYING FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WITHIN ONE YEAR OF DENIAL BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

THE LOCALITY IS GRANTED THE EXPRESS POWER TO ESTABLISH SUCH AN ORDINANCE BY CODE OF VIRGINIA SUBSECTION 15.2 DASH 2310, WHICH STATES FOR APPLICATIONS FOR SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS AND VARIANCES, ANY LOCALITY MAY PROVIDE BY ORDINANCE THAT SUBSTANTIALLY THE SAME APPLICATION WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED BY THE BOARD WITHIN A SPECIFIED PERIOD, NOT EXCEEDING ONE YEAR.

THE THIS PROPOSED CHANGE IS RECOMMENDED BY PLANNING STAFF FOLLOWING A CASE EARLIER THIS YEAR WHEN AN APPLICANT IMMEDIATELY REAPPLIED AFTER THEIR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WAS DENIED.

THE ONE YEAR DELAY IN REAPPLYING FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT HAS BEEN ADOPTED BY MANY JURISDICTIONS IN THE COMMONWEALTH.

UH, SO THIS TEXT AMENDMENT HAS GONE BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION HELD A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS BACK IN DECEMBER.

UH, MR. KURTIS MADE A MOTION TO FORWARD THIS TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE BOARD WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL WITH A CHANGE FROM A ONE YEAR REAPPLICATION RESTRICTION TO A SIX MONTH REAPPLICATION RESTRICTION.

UH, THE MOTION WAS SECONDED AND PASSED, UH, UNANIMOUSLY BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

UM, JUST A LITTLE INSIGHT INTO THE DISCUSSIONS, MR. HENRY.

WE MIGHT BE HERE TODAY.

AND MRS. RICHARDSON AGREED MR. MYERS AND MR. GORDON AGREED WITH PLANNING STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND STATE CODE ALLOWANCE OF ONE YEAR, BUT STATED THEY WOULD BE, UH, COMFORTABLE WITH A SIX MONTH TIMEFRAME.

UM, AND SO THAT WAS KIND OF THE MIDDLE GROUND THERE.

UM, PLANNING STAFF HAS UPDATED THIS DRAFT ORDINANCE PER THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION AND WILL PRESENT THE TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH A SIX MONTH CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

REAPPLICATION RESTRICTION.

HOWEVER, PLANNING STAFF BELIEVES THE FULL ONE YEAR REAPPLICATION RESTRICTION ALLOWED BY THE CODE OF VIRGINIA IS MORE APPROPRIATE AND A BETTER DETERRENT AGAINST APPLICANTS ATTEMPTING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE ABSENCE OF A REAPPLICATION RESTRICTION.

IN RESEARCHING THE ZONING ORDINANCES OF SURROUNDING JURISDICTIONS PLANNING STAFF IDENTIFIED A ONE YEAR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

REAPPLICATION RESTRICTION HAS BEEN ADOPTED BY SHENANDOAH COUNTY, RAPID HANOCK COUNTY, AND THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL STAFF DID NOT FIND ANY NEARBY ORDINANCES THAT INCLUDED A SIX MONTH REAPPLICATION RESTRICTION.

THE MOST JURISDICTIONS APPEAR TO HAVE THE FULL YEAR, NO RESTRICTION AT ALL.

UM, SO A LOT OF THE DISCUSSION OVER THIS TIMEFRAME WAS OVER, OVER CONCERNS OVER HOW FAIR THIS WOULD BE FOR THE APPLICANT.

JUST WANTED TO COMMENT THAT THAT RESTRICTION IS NOT FOR THE APPLICANT.

IT IS FOR EVERYONE ELSE.

IT'S FOR YOU.

IT'S FOR US.

IT'S FOR THE NEIGHBORS THAT WOULD NOT HAVE TO COME IN HERE FOR POTENTIALLY FOUR TIMES A YEAR TO OPPOSE THE SAME THING.

JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT ON THAT.

AND I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

CAN YOU, CAN YOU WALK THROUGH AN EXAMPLE, JUST PUT SOME CONTEXT TO THIS ABOUT WHAT THE, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN, WHATEVER, AND ANY, ANY EXAMPLE WOULD DO JUST TO WHAT PEOPLE ARE EXPERIENCING AND WHY THEY DO IT.

SO WE'RE TOUCH ON A FEW THINGS HERE.

UM, SO I'LL START WITH,

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UH, EXPIRATION.

SO, UM, IN BY THE CODE, YOU ALL ARE THE ONLY, UH, BODY OR ANYTHING THAT HAS THE POWER TO TERMINATE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

SO IF SOMEONE SELLS THEIR AIRBNB HOME TO ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT HOMEOWNER AND THEY DON'T WANT TO USE IT AS AN AIRBNB, IT MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE FOR THAT CUP TO GO AWAY AND TO HAVE THE FULL PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS AGAIN TO REESTABLISH THE USE.

SHOULD THE NEIGHBOR AFTER THAT WANT TO DO THE SAME THING THEN TO JUST HAVE IT STAY OPEN THE WHOLE TIME? I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO CHECK ON AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY GET THEIR DOCUMENTATION IN.

AND THEN IN THEORY, IF IT'S INACTIVE FOR THREE YEARS, WE SHOULD PROCEED WITH TERMINATION PROCEDURES.

HOW DO YOU KNOW NOW THAT WOULD, HOW DO YOU KNOW IT'S INACTIVE? INACTIVE FOR THE CASE OF A SHORT TERM RENTAL? IT COULD VERY WELL JUST BE THAT THE ADVERTISEMENT HAS BEEN TAKEN DOWN.

SOMETIMES THEY ACTUALLY NOTIFY US THAT THEY'RE SELLING AND THAT THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS NOT GONNA BE USED BY THE NEW PROPERTY OWNER.

AND OCCASIONALLY THE, THE COMMISSIONER REVENUES OFFICE WILL, UH, ASK, HEY, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN LODGING ON THIS.

YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE STILL THERE, IF THEY'RE STILL DOING IT.

AND YOU KNOW, IF I KNOW, THEN I CAN COMMUNICATE WITH THEM THAT NO, THE PROPERTY IS SOLD AND THEY'RE NOT DOING THAT ANYMORE.

YOU THINK THIS IS THE MOST COMMON USE CASE? THE SHORT TERM OR, YEAH, SIMPLY BECAUSE ANOTHER CATEGORY THAT'S SIGNIFICANT, I WOULD SAY THE MAJORITY OF 'EM ARE THE, THE SHORT TERM RENTALS.

IT CAN BE VERY FLEETING, ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE ARE SO MANY OF THEM.

IF, YOU KNOW, YOU GIVE IT A SHOT FOR THREE MONTHS AND YOU ONLY HAVE ONE PERSON STAY THERE, IT MIGHT NOT BE AFFORDABLE TO HIRE A CLEANING CREW AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

DO YOU HAVE ANY, AND SO THEY, ANY SENSE OF DEATHS, HOW MUCH THIS IS HAPPENING? LIKE HOW MANY C PS ARE THERE AND HOW MANY ARE, ARE DORMANT? I MEAN, THERE'S, I DON'T KNOW ANY EXACT NUMBER, BUT IT COULD VERY WELL BE NEAR HALF OF THEM SHOULD TECHNICALLY BE.

IS THERE ANY DATA BEHIND THAT OR JUST GUT FEEL? 'CAUSE MY FOLLOW ON IS HOW YOU, I'M GUESSING YOU DON'T HAVE MUCH TIME TO BE POKING AROUND TO HOWEVER MANY THERE ARE.

HOW MANY ARE THERE IN THE COUNTY? 1500? UH, SHORT TERM RENTALS SPECIFICALLY? YEAH, THERE'S OVER 150.

150.

THAT'S IT.

SO YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE TIME, I'M GUESSING, TO BE INQUIRING ON A REGULAR BASIS, WHETHER THEY'RE, YOU CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE TIME TO TAKE THEM BEFORE YOU EVERY TIME SOMEONE DOESN'T WANT TO DO IT ANYMORE TO TAKE THREE MONTHS AND SPEND, YOU KNOW, TAXPAYER'S DOLLAR THAT THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, USING AN APPLICATION.

WE'RE NOT USING AN APPLICATION FEE TO COVER TO ADVERTISE FOR THAT PUBLIC HEARING.

AND SO THAT'S REALLY THE, THE, THE DRIVE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IT TAKES US THREE MONTHS, A COUPLE HUNDRED DOLLARS TO ACCEPT, HIRE A CUP WHEN NOBODY'S PAYING FOR THAT.

ARE YOU SURE THAT THERE'S 150? 'CAUSE I, I FEEL, I FEEL LIKE WE DID 150 JUST LAST YEAR.

SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EXPIRATION AT THIS POINT, RIGHT? SPECIFICALLY THE EXPIRATION? YEAH.

I WOULD REMOVE IT AS A REASON TO TERMINATE AND HAVE IT BE ITS OWN THING.

PRETTY MUCH.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING.

AND, AND SO HOW DOES IT BECOME OF KNOWN TO YOU THAT IT'S A CANDIDATE FOR EXPIRATION? SO THE MOST COMMON THING IS THAT PEOPLE DON'T PAY THEIR, UH, TRANSIENT OCCUPANCY TAXES ANYMORE AND LET THEIR BUSINESS LICENSE EXPIRE.

UM, DOES THAT, DOES THAT, DO YOU GET NOTIFIED BY THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE? SO TYPICALLY THE COMMISSIONER WILL REACH OUT AND ASK WHAT'S GOING ON? SO THEY'RE SCAN THEY'RE SCANNING FOR THAT AS PART OF THEIR REGULAR YEAH, YEAH.

IT'S PART OF THEIR MAINTENANCE OF BUSINESS LICENSES AND THEIR TRANSIENT OCCUPANCY TAX ACCOUNTS.

SO IF THERE'S .

UM, BUT YEAH, ESSENTIALLY THEY'LL ASK ABOUT A PROPERTY AND I'LL REACH OUT TO, YOU KNOW, WHOEVER WAS ON THE APPLICATION FOR THE COMMISSIONER USE PERMIT AND FIND OUT.

AND THEN THEY SAY, OH YEAH, WE, WE GAVE UP ON THAT.

WE'RE NOT DOING THAT ANYMORE.

IT'S POSSIBILITY IN THOSE CASES.

NOW, I WAS JUST, I KNOW RIGHT NOW THE C P'S AGAINST A PIECE OF PROPERTY STAYS WITH THE PROPERTY REGARDLESS, YOU KNOW, EVEN WHEN THE OWNERSHIP IS TRANSFERRED, CORRECT? CORRECT.

SO DOES THIS TAKE, UH, TAKE AWAY FROM THAT PHILOSOPHY NOW? NO.

SO IT, IT STILL APPLIES UNDER THE CURRENT ORDINANCE THAT IF SOMEONE WERE TO STOP DOING IT AND THEN AFTER TWO YEARS IT WOULD BECOME A VALID REASON TO EXPIRE IT.

SO IT'S A MATTER OF WHETHER OR NOT THE ACTIVITY IN THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS, IS BEING IMPLEMENTED.

EXACTLY.

IT'S BEING IMPLEMENTED.

THAT'S WHAT IT IS.

SO, UM, SO WHAT, WHAT TRIGGERED THIS ORDINANCE? UM, THIS IS A STAFF.

WE, WE, UH, BASICALLY IDENTIFIED A FEW, UM, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL IMPROVEMENTS TO THIS CONDITIONAL USE ORDINANCE, OR AT LEAST LIKE WITH THE REAPPLICATION TIMEFRAME DELAY, FOR EXAMPLE, UTILIZING THE, THE TOOLS THAT THE STATE CODE HAS GIVEN US.

BACK TO YOUR QUESTION, MR. JAMESON, WITH THE DATA, YOU KNOW, SO HOW MANY CC PS HAVE WE'VE ISSUED TO DATE THAT HAVE NOT BEEN IMPLEMENTED? I WOULD HAVE TO PROBABLY RUN A FULL MAINTENANCE TO CONFIRM THAT.

SO HAVE YOU GONE OUT, UH, WELL, NOT YOU PERSONALLY, BUT HAS, UH, THE ZONING DEPARTMENT GONE OUT AND, UM, I GUESS GOING

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UM, A LOT OF THE CONDITIONAL USE, PRETTY MUCH ALL THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS EXCEPT FOR MAYBE PRIVATE USE CAMPING.

HAVE A POST-APPROVAL PROCESS.

MANY OF THEM HAVE TO GET A CHANGE OF USE FOR SHORT TERM RENTAL.

FOR EXAMPLE, THEY HAVE TO GET A CHANGE OF USE BUILDING PERMIT, WHICH CAN TAKE A MONTH OR SO.

UM, AND FOR OTHER LAND USES, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF THEY HAVE TO PUT IN A COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE THROUGH VDOT, IT COULD BE SEVERAL MONTHS.

UM, SO WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE QUITE A FEW THAT ARE KIND OF IN THAT ESTABLISHING PHASE.

UH, AND FOR EXAMPLE, UH, WE HAD RECENTLY EXTENDED, MIGHT'VE BEEN LIKE TWO MONTHS AGO NOW, OR MAYBE IN NOVEMBER, WE RECENTLY EXTENDED A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A RURAL EVENTS FACILITY ON THE BASIS, UM, THAT THIS GENTLEMAN WAS, HAS BASICALLY BEEN WORKING ON INSTALLING A SEPTIC SYSTEM TO SUPPORT THE LAND USE.

AND SO OBVIOUSLY HE'S BEEN PUTTING A LOT OF MONEY AND IT'S TAKING A LOT OF TIME, BUT HE NEEDS MORE TIME TO ESTABLISH THE USE SO THAT HE HAS PURSUED THE CURRENT PROCEDURE.

AND THAT IS BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO MAKE THE PROCEDURE , YOU KNOW.

SO THIS CHANGE TO THE ORDINANCE THEN GOES IF THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY GRANDFATHER ISSUE WITH THIS, IT STARTED IN THIS POINT FORWARD, ALL CS THAT HAVE BEEN ISSUED WILL BE FOLLOWING THIS NEW THAT'S CORRECT.

UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER CONDITIONAL USES OTHER THAN IS SHORT TERM RENTALS WHERE, UM, POTENTIALLY YOU MIGHT, UH, HAVE A, A DORMANT OR A NON NON-USE OF THE, FOR THAT INTENDED PURPOSE? UM, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S MORE DIFFICULT TO MONITOR.

LIKE YOU DON'T HAVE THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE LOOKING AT THE TRANSIENT LODGING, TEXT RECEIPTS OR ANYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT TO BE AN INDICATOR? I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT INADVERTENTLY LAPSING OR, OR TERMINATING SOMEONE'S PERMIT FOR A USE THAT'S NOT VERY OBVIOUS.

LIKE MAYBE THEY HAVE A GUEST HOUSE AND YOU, HOW DO YOU KNOW HOW THAT'S GONNA BE THE EXAMPLE I THOUGHT OF? YEAH.

BUT GUEST HOUSE ARE INHERENTLY VERY DIFFICULT TO REGULATE.

'CAUSE BASICALLY YOU CAN'T RENT 'EM OUT.

HOW DO WE KNOW IF THEY'RE RENTING 'EM OUT? YOU KNOW, , IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY A, A CHALLENGING THING TO ENFORCE.

UM, YEAH, I MEAN IT'S GONNA DEPEND, UH, FOR A GUEST HOUSE SPECIFICALLY.

UM, OBVIOUSLY HOW THEY USE IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE A VIOLATION IF THEY'RE OCCUPYING IT FULL TIME OR RENTING IT OUT.

UM, BUT BOILING IT DOWN TO THE EXISTENCE OR THE ACTIVITY, ACTIVE NATURE OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, IF THE STRUCTURE IS STILL THERE, THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS ACTIVE.

SO WHAT IS THE TIMELINE? THE AMOUNT OF TIME FROM STOPPAGE OF THE USE OR NOT THE BEGINNING OF THE USE AND WHEN YOU WOULD DESIGNATE THAT THEY HAVEN'T MET THEIR, UH, QUALIFICATIONS AND YOU'RE GONNA TERMINATE IT? YES.

SO IF THEY HAVE NOT ESTABLISHED THE USE WITHIN THREE YEARS OF THE DATE OF APPROVAL, I WOULD ISSUE A LETTER SAYING, YOUR TIMEFRAME TO ESTABLISH THE USE IS EXPIRING.

THIS CODE SECTION SAYS THIS IS THE PROCEDURE FOR REQUESTING EXTENSION.

YOU HAVE 30 DAYS TO REQUEST THE EXTENSION, OTHERWISE YOUR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WILL EXPIRE.

SO THEY DO GET A TIME, THEY, THEY GET A THREE YEAR TIMEFRAME UNDER THIS ORDINANCE.

WELL, BUT THERE'S 30 DAYS THAT THEY CAN COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITHOUT BEING TERMINATED.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

AND OBVIOUSLY IF THEY'RE COMMUNICATING WITH ME AND YOU KNOW, IT'S A MATTER OF FINISHING THE PROCESS, IF IT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A WEEK OR SO, I'M NOT GONNA HAVE THEM COME IN AND REQUEST AN EXTENSION.

WE'LL JUST BANG IT OUT AND GET IT DONE, YOU KNOW, GET IT ESTABLISHED.

WHAT IS THE TIMELINE IF I'VE STARTED MY CONDITIONAL USE, BUT THEN YOU SEE A LAPSE, WHAT TIME PERIOD IS THAT LAPSE? IT WOULD BE THE SAME THREE YEARS.

THREE YEARS IF I HAVE IT.

AND WHAT MODE OF COMMUNICATION ARE YOU GIVING THEM? IS IT REGULAR MAIL, CERTIFIED MAIL? SO THE CODE, THE WAY IT'S DRAFTED, WOULD REQUIRE CERTIFIED MAIL.

WE WOULD SEND WITH RETURN RECEIPT SO THAT WE CAN DOCUMENT THE DATE THAT IT WAS RECEIVED.

'CAUSE THAT WOULD INITIATE A 30 DAY TIMEFRAME.

UM, I GENERALLY ALWAYS SEND IT ALSO BY REGULAR MAIL.

GETS TO FASTER IN A LOT OF TIMES I DON'T TRUST, DON'T TRUST MAIL.

SORRY, I GOT A DON'T IN MAY ONE YEAR.

SO I, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING ABOUT CERTIFIED BECAUSE I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T TRUST THE MAIL TO GET IT THERE.

AND THEN SOMEBODY'S, WE TOOK IT AWAY FROM 'EM.

THEY NEVER RECEIVED IT.

I WOULD FOLLOW THE SIMILAR PROCEDURE FOR A VIOLATION.

UM, SO MY FIRST ATTEMPT WOULD, I WOULD EMAIL THEM SINCE I HAVE THEIR EMAIL.

THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE BEST WAY TO DO IT.

EMAIL OR CALL.

THAT WAY WE DON'T HAVE TO SPEND MONEY ON POSTAGE.

UM, BUT IF I CAN'T GET THROUGH TO THEM, THEN I WOULD SEND A CERTIFIED LETTER AND A LETTER BY REGULAR MAIL.

AND IF I GOT THOSE BACK, I WOULD'VE A DEPUTY, UM, DELIVER HANDLE OR THE, THE LETTER TO THE DOOR.

NOW DOES THIS, WILL THIS GO HAND IN HAND WITH, UH, SOMEONE IS NOT COMPLIANT WITH THEIR CONDITIONAL USE CONDITIONS? NO.

SO THAT IS STAYING UNDER THE TERMINATION PROCEDURE.

SO THAT'S ALL YOU GUYS.

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THIS IS ONLY FOR EXPIRATION.

SO SO FAR THE, THIS HAS BEEN ABOUT EXPIRATION.

WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE ACTUAL BENEFIT IF OF, OF EXPIRING IT VERSUS HAVING THEM JUST STAY THERE? BECAUSE, BECAUSE A, A POINT OF VIEW THAT ONE MAY HAVE IS THIS IS ACTUALLY AN ASSET THAT'S ADDED TO THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY.

CERTAINLY.

AND, AND IF I, I DID IT A COUPLE MONTHS, I SAID, THIS ISN'T FOR ME, BUT I HAVE THIS PERMIT.

IT'S PART, IT'S A, IT'S PART OF MY HOUSE WHEN I'M GONNA SELL THE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'LL BE GOOD.

IT'LL BE GOOD THAT I HAVE THAT 'CAUSE MM-HMM .

IT'S SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE CAN DO.

SO WHAT'S THE BENEFIT TO CLEANING UP THE UNUSED USES? WELL, FOR ONE, IT'S ONE THING WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO MANAGE OR WORRY ABOUT ANYMORE.

UM, FOR ANOTHER, UM, YOU GUYS MAY SEE THIS AS YOU GET, UH, NEW CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES THAT HAD PREVIOUS CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS.

YOU MAY SEE ON THOSE OLD CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS THAT THERE AREN'T ANY CONDITIONS OR MAYBE ONE CONDITION AND THE CONDITION AND CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE COUNTY HAS CHANGED.

UM, I WOULD SAY THE CONDITIONS THAT WE PUT ON CS NOWADAYS ARE MUCH MORE STRICT THAN WHAT WE DID BACK IN THE EIGHTIES.

I MEAN, BACK IN THE EIGHTIES, YOU THERE, IT'S RARE THAT YOU'D HAVE A CONDITION ON A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

IT WAS REALLY A MATTER OF WAS THIS THE RIGHT LOCATION.

BUT IF I, IF I BUY A PIECE OF PROPERTY FROM MR. STAN MEYER AND THE CONDITIONAL USE IS IN HIS NAME AND I PUT IT IN MY NAME, DON'T WE HAVE THE ABILITY AT THAT TIME TO ADD CONDITIONS TO IT? WE CAN'T CHANGE THE NO.

WITHOUT A PUBLIC HEARING.

WELL, BECAUSE WE USUALLY DO 'EM WITH A PUBLIC HEARING THOUGH.

I WOULD THINK THAT THE PLANNING STAFF OR THE BOARD COULD INITIATE A CUP MODIFICATION IF THEY DEEM THAT APPROPRIATE.

WELL, THAT, BUT, BUT THE BASE CASE IS, IT JUST GOES WITH THE PROPERTY.

CORRECT? YES.

IF THE, IF THE USE HAS REMAINED ACTIVE THROUGH THE CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP, THEN YOU'RE RIGHT.

THIS WOULD NOT MATTER.

THEY WOULD GET THEIR CUP WITH NO CONDITIONS FROM THE EIGHTIES.

WOULD, UH, PASSING THIS ORDINANCE TRIGGER A WAVE OF THESE EXPIRATION NOTICES IMMEDIATELY? LIKE YOU HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH READY TO GO OUT THE DOOR ONCE THIS HAS PASSED? NO, NO, I HAVEN'T, I HAVEN'T DONE THAT WORK YET.

UM, OKAY.

YOU MENTIONING THE EIGHTIES THOUGH.

I MEAN THIS AND THE USE CASES WE WERE TALKING, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ARE VERY RECENT SHORT TERM TUR RENTAL TYPE THINGS.

AND THAT'S THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE CASES THAT WE'RE MOSTLY TRYING TO ADDRESS.

I WOULD SAY WE HAVE MORE SHORT TERM RENTALS THAN ELSE THAT WAS LIKE A QUESTION STATEMENT IN ONE.

SO THAT'S LIKE .

IT'S OKAY.

WELL SOME OF THESE ARE, HAVE BEEN FOR LIKE GARAGE, UM, MECHANIC WORK AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

WE HAVE HAD THEM.

SO, YOU KNOW, I GUESS IF I HAD A MAINTENANCE GARAGE IN MY HOUSE AND I WANTED TO SELL IT TO HIM, I, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY IT'S COLOR'S MAINTENANCE SHOP AND HE WANTS TO MAKE IT STAN, MY MAINTENANCE SHOP, HE'D HAVE TO COME TO CHANGE THAT, WOULDN'T HE? OR HE CAN, HE WOULD JUST HAVE TO CHANGE THE NAME, WHICH WOULD BE ADMINISTRATIVE.

I CAN, I WOULD NO PUBLIC HEARING, NO NOTHING.

NOT FOR NOT, UNLESS THERE IS A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE TO THE USE OR MATERIAL CHANGE TO THE USE.

AND THE CODE HAS A DEFINITION FOR MATERIAL CHANGE.

SO THE OTHER CASE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EXPIRATION NOW, WHAT ABOUT THIS REAPPLICATION THING? YES.

'CAUSE THE IMP AS I UNDERSTAND THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, THE CONCERN IS SOMEBODY COMES, THEY DO A CUP, THEY, THEY GET RID, THEY DON'T PASS MM-HMM .

AND THEN AS LITTLE AS 90 DAYS ACCORDING TO SOME PEOPLE'S PREFERENCES AND YOUR PREFERENCES THAT IT WOULD BE A WHOLE YEAR THAT THEY CAN REAPPLY.

CORRECT? CORRECT.

AND RIGHT NOW THERE IS NO DELAY AT ALL.

SO, SO THEY CAN TURN RIGHT AROUND AND, BUT IN THEORY YOU COULD SEE THE SAME APPLICATION FOUR TIMES IN ONE YEAR.

BUT, BUT IT SAYS WHEN YOU'RE, I BELIEVE YOU'RE QUOTING A STATUTE, ANY LOCALITY MAY PROVIDE AN ORDER THAT SUBSTANTIALLY THE SAME APPLICATION WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED.

SO THEY'RE REALLY TURNING AROUND AND SU SUBMITTING THE SAME APPLICATION AND PAYING ANOTHER $1,500.

IT'S HAPPENED BEFORE IT HAPPENED THIS YEAR.

WHY? YOU'RE JUST COLLECTING THE MONEY AND, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE INCURRING A LOT OF ADMINISTRATIVE EXPENSE TO THE COUNTY AND TO SUBMIT THE SAME REQUEST TO THE SAME BOARD.

CAN YOU GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF WHY SOMEONE WOULD DO THAT? LIKE WOULD SOUNDS ARE PRETTY RATIONAL.

I MEAN, WE, WE HAD THAT ONE WITH THE 32 FEET, DIDN'T THEY? REAPPLIED? YES.

I MEAN REALLY IT'S, IT'S, YOU COULD REJECT THEIR APPLICATION IF IT'S SUBSTANTIALLY THE SAME.

IS THAT, IS THAT PRESENTLY COULD YOU NO, YOU CAN'T NOT WITHOUT THIS TAX AMENDMENT.

WE CANNOT SAY NO.

IF THEY SUBMIT AN APPLICATION IN THE FEE AND

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IT'S COMPLETE.

AS I, AS I RECALL CORRECTLY, I THINK WE HAD A, AN INSTANCE WHERE, UH, SOMEBODY CAME IN WITH THE CUP AND BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE, UM, A, UH, MANAGEMENT COMPANY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

WE, WE TURNED THEM DOWN.

THEY WENT AND GOT A MANAGEMENT COMPANY CAME RIGHT BACK AND REAPPLIED.

WELL, THAT'S NOT SUBSTANTIALLY THE SAME.

I WOULD ARGUE THAT IT IS IF IT IS FOR THE SAME USE MM-HMM .

FOR THE SAME PROPERTY.

BUT THEY, BUT THEY CHANGED THE REASON IT WAS RE OBJECT, UH, REJECTED.

THE APPLICATION.

I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT JUST THE APPLICANT, A DIFFERENT APPLICANT.

NO, I GOT YOU.

NO, IT'S NOT SUBSTANTIALLY THE SAME.

BECAUSE THEY ADDRESSED THEIR PERCEPTION OF WHY IT WAS REJECTED AND THEY BROUGHT A MANAGEMENT COMPANY INTO PLACE.

SO WHY WAIT A YEAR? I MEAN, IT, THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT, OR THEY FIGURED THEY COULD MANAGE IT.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THEY HEARD, THEY HEARD THE DISCUSSION SAYING, WELL, YOU, YOUR MANAGEMENT COMPANY'S IN NEW YORK, SO WE DON'T LIKE THAT.

AND THEN THEY COME, WELL, LET'S GET A MANAGEMENT COMPANY FROM FRONT ROW.

THEN THEY HAVE A RATIONAL BASIS FOR SAYING, I SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET THIS, GET THIS THROUGH, AND THEY'RE HAVING TO PAY AGAIN.

THEY WOULD, YEAH.

SO I, I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEM.

UH, WE HAD A BIG FEE INCREASE, UH, BECAUSE I KNOW I MISSED IT BY A FEW DAYS AND I PAID SOMETHING LIKE 1500 INSTEAD OF 500.

SO DOES, WHAT'S THE STORY ON HOW MUCH OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE TIME IS COVERED BY THAT FEE? IS IT STILL JUST NOMINAL OR DOES IT COVER IT? MOST OF THAT FEE IS GOING TOWARD, UH, ADVERTISEMENT FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS.

NOW, ADD A NEWSPAPER THAT'S A SUBSTANTIAL PART OF THAT $1,500 PUT ADD A NEWSPAPER, YOU WOULD BE SURPRIS SURPRISED, CAN TELL YOU HOW MUCH SURPRISED HOW MUCH EASIER COST.

SO, SO IT'S, IT IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN.

AND, AND WE HAD NOT CHANGED THAT FEE FOR 20 YEARS.

YEAH, I UNDERSTAND.

I, I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS, AND ALSO JUST FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF THE NEIGHBORS WHO MAY HAVE SPOKEN AGAINST IT, I MEAN, THAT IS ONE TIME A YEAR POTENTIALLY THAT THEY MAY HAVE TO OPPOSE SOMETHING VERSUS UP TO FOUR.

THAT'S A CONSIDERATION.

BUT FOR THE, FOR THE APPLICANT, THE REASON IT'S NOT IRRATIONAL TO APPLY AGAIN, IS ALL I'M SAYING BECAUSE THEY'VE ADDRESSED WHAT THE, THE REASON FOR REJECTION WAS.

UM, CHASE, COULD YOU EXPLAIN TO HIM KIND OF WHAT THAT VOTE WENT? THERE WAS A, SOMETHING, IT WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION THAT WAS DENIED.

I BELIEVE IF YOU YEAH, AND I THINK THEY'RE GOING DOWN THE PATH OR THEY, THE PLANNING COMMISSION WENT DOWN THE PATH THAT YOU'RE THINKING, OR AT LEAST PART OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID.

AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THIS SUBSTANTIAL FEE THAT'S KIND OF THE BURDEN AND APPLYING IT TO THIS PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN FAIR FOR THEM.

THAT IS WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOUND.

I, I CAN REMEMBER THE CASE CORRECTLY, AND THIS IS WHY I FELT IT WAS UNFAIR.

I MISSED THE MEETING.

I WAS OUT OF TOWN.

I THOUGHT I'D BE BACK, UH, OUTTA A PERSONAL MATTER IN FLORIDA, IT WAS DENIED TWO, TWO ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

THE CONFUSION WAS, IS IT DIDN'T MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT AND THE GUY, IT, IT WAS NEW CONSTRUCTION HOMES, SIR, THERE DIDN'T MEET THE SETBACK.

THEY, TO ME THEY BEEN, SHOULD ALL BE SHORT TERM, FIRST ROUND, TERRIBLE PLACE.

THEY A FULL TIME.

SO IT'S GOT A, YOU KNOW, A GREAT VIEW.

YOU KNOW, IT'S FINE FOR THAT.

OH, THE APPLICANT HAD COME IN, HE HAD GOT A LETTER FROM THE GUY THAT WAS BUYING THE PROPERTY.

HE HAD A RATIFIED CONTRACT, BUT REALLY THE LETTER'S NO GOOD BECAUSE HE DIDN'T OWN PROPERTY.

SO PLANNING STAFF AND THE BOARD PROBABLY FELT AT THAT TIME AND THEY ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH THE BOARD THE FIRST TIME ONE OF Y'ALL WERE MISSING TOO, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND.

SO GET DENIED BOTH TIMES ON TWO TWO, UH, THE LETTER WAS TO WAIVE IT, BUT THE GUY HADN'T ACTUALLY CLOSED ON THE PROPERTY YET.

I KNOW IF HE SHOULD HAVE GOT THE LETTER FROM THE BUILDER, BUT THEN YOU KNOW HE'S NOT GONNA HAVE A PROPERTY MORE THAN ANOTHER MONTH.

TWO, THE CONDITION CHANGED VERY RAPIDLY BECAUSE IN A FEW MONTHS THE HOUSE DECIDED IT WAS FINISHED.

AND THE GUY THAT DID THE CONTRACT , NOW HIS LETTER'S GOOD BECAUSE HE DOES CLAIM THE PROPERTY AND HE IS IN FAVOR OF THE SETBACK.

YOU KNOW, HE'S HIS RIGHT FROM THE LAND SIDE.

IF IT'S LESS THAN A HUNDRED, UH, AND YOU DON'T HAVE SUPPORT OF THE NEIGHBOR, I'VE ALWAYS DENIED IT IF YOU HAD SUPPORT OF THE NEIGHBOR, BECAUSE THE NEIGHBOR MIGHT BE ANOTHER SHORT TERM RENTAL OR THE OWNER.

SO AT, AT THAT POINT IT MAKES SENSE.

AND, UH, HIS WIFE, I FELT IT WAS UNFAIR WAS THAT CONDITION CHANGED VERY RAPIDLY FOR THAT GUY.

AND WHEN HE COME BACK IN AND WENT, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT FINISHED HERE, BUT HE WENT THROUGH PLANNING FIVE, OH I THINK FOR APPROVAL.

LOT OF MONEY IN PLENTY OF TIME, YOU COULD COME DOWN HERE IF YOU KEPT GETTING DENIED.

AND IT'S BECAUSE THAT CONDITION CHANGED.

AND THEN I ALSO FELT THAT A DETERRENT.

IN OTHER WORDS, I GUESS IF YOU HAD A

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BUT EVERY TIME YOU GOTTA THROW $1,500 AT IT.

AND I'D SAY THE AVERAGE CITIZEN'S NOT GONNA THROW $1,500 AT IT ALL.

BUT IN FAIRNESS, IF YOU DID HAVE SOMEBODY WITH THE MONEY, SO THEY COULDN'T COME DOWN HERE AND IRRITATE YOU EVERY 30 DAYS OR EVERY 90 DAYS FOR SOMETHING WITH AN APPLICATION FEE BECAUSE TEXAS A LITTLE WHILE DIDN'T CHANGE.

I THOUGHT THE SIX MONTHS WAS A FAIR COMPROMISE.

AND THEN AS FAR AS THE UH, NON-USE, UH, THREE YEARS IS PLENTY LONG ENOUGH TIME.

IT, UH, IN SITTING HERE LISTENING TO TONIGHT, THE ONLY THING I WASN'T CLEAR ON BACK THEN THAT I PROBABLY WOULDN'T SUPPORT IN HINDSIGHT IF IT THIS WAY.

AND, AND, AND I DIDN'T READ IT TONIGHT.

SO I'M PROBABLY IGNORANT FOR YOU MENTIONING THIS, UH, FOR NOT DOING MY HOMEWORK.

BUT I DIDN'T, UH, I'M NOT VOTING TONIGHT.

YOU GUYS ARE.

BUT, UH, HAVE, AT THIS POINT, WHEN HE GETS PERMISSION TO PROCESS SOME WAY FOR NON-USE, CAN YOU DO IT COMPLETELY WITH NO VOTE? OR DO YOU GUYS STILL GET A FINAL VOTE WARRANT WOULD BE MY QUESTION.

I, I WOULD HATE TO SEE THAT Y'ALL LEAVE THAT COMPLETELY TO STAFF.

WE GOT A GOOD STAFF TODAY.

NOT THAT I DON'T TRUST THESE GUYS, BUT, YOU KNOW, FIVE YEAR STAFF CHANGES, YOU KNOW, RULES CHANGE FOR, UH, YOU COULD MAKE THE DECISION JUST DON'T WA YOUR RIGHT, UH, RIGHT.

TO VOTE ON IT.

I I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD COMPLETE COMPLETELY STAFF DECISION.

AND IT DOES MAKE SENSE.

IF YOU DID HAVE A GUY THAT HAD THE MONEY, IT WAS A NUISANCE.

SO HE COULDN'T COME DOWN HERE EVERY THREE MONTHS AND PUT IN AN APPLICATION FEE.

BUT THE ONLY ONE TIME THAT WE HAVE RECORD OF IT, A GUY COMING BACK AND REAPPLYING IN A SHORT TIME, HE WAS RIGHT TO DO SO BECAUSE HE GOT HIS APPLICATION.

SO I A YEAR WOULD'VE A LONG, LONG THAT THAT, THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER COMPLAINING DETECTIVE, I'M PRETTY CLOSE GOING IF WE CAN CIRCLE BACK, IT'S, YOU KNOW, SO, SO MY QUESTION I HAVE IS THAT WE, THEY, THEY HAVE A, A THREE YEAR TERM RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, TO COME BACK IN.

UM, THEY HAVE THE APPLICANT WILL, IF THEY DON'T IMPLEMENT THE CUP WITHIN THREE YEARS, AND THEN IT COMES UP THAT IT'S GONNA EXPIRE, BUT THEN THEY COME BACK TO THE PLANNING, UM, YOUR, YOUR OFFICE AND SAY, OH YEAH, I WANNA RENEW IT.

THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY THIS $1,500 FEE.

IT'S ONLY IF THEY DON'T COME BACK WITHIN THAT PERIOD OF TIME TO EXTEND IT.

I'M SORRY, I MIGHT HAVE MISSED YOUR QUESTION.

SO, BUT SO LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT MR. JAMESON WAS GOING WITH, YOU KNOW, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO PAY THE $1,500 FEE AGAIN TO REINSTATE THE CUP IF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS EXPIRED, THEY WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE FULL PROCESS.

BUT IF IT, BUT, BUT WHEN IT COMES UP TO TO BE, TO, TO EXPIRE, IT WOULD'VE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REQUEST AN EXTENSION TO, AND THEN THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY THAT $1,500 AGAIN.

OR THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO PAY THE 1500.

THEY WOULD BE UNDER THIS DRAFT ORDINANCE, THEY WOULD BE SUBJECT TO A HUNDRED DOLLARS.

A HUNDRED DOLLARS.

SO IF THEY, FOR THE EXTENSION REQUEST.

ONE MORE QUESTION ABOUT THE THREE YEARS, UM, WOULD SAY YOU HAVE A CLOCK THAT TICKS FOR THREE YEARS, WOULD THE CLOCK START TICKING, UH, WHEN THE ORDINANCE HAS PASSED, UH, SO THAT EVERYONE FROM THAT DAY HAS THREE YEARS TO START DOING WHATEVER THEIR CONDITIONAL USE IS? OR DID IT START TICKING, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN, UH, NOT RENTING SHORT TERM OR WHATEVER THE OTHER CONDITIONAL USE IS FOR, FOR THREE YEARS ALREADY, THAT THEN THEY'D GET THEIR, THEIR 90 DAY NOTICE, THE LIMITS WOULD NOT RESET THE TIMEFRAME.

THAT DEPENDS ON WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE DOING THE ACTIVITY AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY ESTABLISH.

SO IF THEY STOPPED RENTING OUT THREE YEARS AGO, THEN THEY'D IMMEDIATELY GET ONE OF THESE CERTIFIED LETTERS.

IN THEORY, YES.

BUT THEY WOULD STILL GET THE LETTER AND HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXTEND THE, TO REQUEST THE EXTENSION $400.

WELL WHY, IF YOU CAN CANCEL IT WITHOUT A PUBLIC HEARING AND WITHOUT A BOARD VOTE, WHY I HEARD YOU SAY THE THIS WOULD SAVE US THE EXPENSE OF A PUBLIC HEARING TO DO THIS.

WHY COULDN'T YOU JUST GIVE US A LIST AND WE TICK THEM OFF ON A CONSENT AGENDA OR ON A REGULAR AGENDA AND NOT HAVE TO GO TO A PUBLIC HEARING? WE COULD POTENTIALLY LOOK INTO REWORKING THE CODE.

I LARGELY MODELED IT AFTER HOW OTHER JURISDICTIONS DO IT.

UH, AND ALSO KIND OF JUST FOLLOWING A VERY TYPICAL ENFORCEMENT PROCEDURE WITH SENDING A LETTER, GIVING 'EM 30 DAYS TO COMPLY, ALL THAT GOOD STUFF.

UM, SO, UM, I HAVE NOT SEEN A BOARD PROCESS OTHER THAN THE WAY IT IS IN OUR CODE NOW, WHICH IS THROUGH THE TERMINATION PROCESS WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING.

WOULD, WOULD DEPEND ON THE CIRCUMSTANCE.

WELL, I'M JUST, I'M JUST SAYING MY, MY MY THOUGHT ON YOU GUYS DOING IT VERSUS STAFF DOING IT IS, I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE, WHEN WOULD YOU NOT APPROVE AN EXPIRATION?

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BUT IF, I MEAN, IF THERE WASN'T SOMEONE ARGUING AGAINST IT, THEY HAVE HAD EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO REQUEST AN EXTENSION AND EITHER BLATANTLY IGNORED IT OR DIRECTLY SAID, NO, I'M NOT INTERESTED ANYMORE.

WELL, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE MECHANIC, UH, MECHANIC GARAGE ON YOUR, ON YOUR HOME PROPERTY, LIKE IF HE HAD GONE TO THE EXTENT OF BUILDING A, A POLE BARN AND INSTALLING, LIKE, LIFTS FOR VEHICLES AT GREAT EXPENSE, AND THAT AGAIN, TO ME, THAT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS KIND OF AN ASSET THAT IMPROVES THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY, MUCH LIKE HAVING WELL OR SEPTIC ALREADY INSTALLED.

UM, SO THAT WOULD BE ONE THAT I WOULD BE INCLINED TO NOT EXPIRE.

I JUST FEEL LIKE ALSO IF WE HAVE TO APPROVE THEM, WE SHOULD BE PART OF THE PROCESS BECAUSE WHO ARE THEY GONNA CALL WHEN THEY FIND OUT THAT THEIR CONDITIONAL USE IS BEING TAKEN AWAY FROM 'EM? IT'S GONNA BE ONE OF US AND WE'RE NOT EVEN GONNA BE IN THE LOOP OF IT.

WHERE THIS KEEPS US IN THE LOOP OF IT.

AND I, I DON'T KNOW.

I'M NOT GONNA SAY THAT.

WE WON'T SAY, OKAY, THEY'VE GIVEN US LOGICAL REASONS TO NOT DENY THEIR CONTINUED USE WITH IT.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, DEPENDING ON THE JUSTIFICATION, WE MAY WELL MAY AGREE THAT, WELL, SORRY YOU HAVEN'T MET THE, THE CRITERIA AND WE WOULD DO AWAY WITH IT.

BUT I, I JUST THINK THAT WE NEED TO BE PART OF THAT LOOP BECAUSE THE BUCK'S GONNA STOP HERE WHEN PEOPLE START COMPLAINING.

WELL, BUT YET ON THE OTHER HAND, WHEN YOU HAVE THE CUP, I WOULD, I WOULD ASSUME ON THE APPLICATION IT'S GONNA HAVE AN EXPIRATION DATE ON IT.

WHEN IT COMES TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THE ACTUAL CUP DOES HAVE A DATE THAT IS ISSUED.

AND SO IT'S ALREADY ON THE, UH, THE APPLICATION AND IT COMES TO THE BOARD AND WE APPROVE IT.

SO THIS IS JUST A FORMALITY, IF YOU WILL, OF FOLLOWING UP IF THEY'RE GOING TO IMPLEMENT IT OR NOT.

SO IF, IF THEY ARE GOING TO ASK FOR AN EXTENSION, WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED IT AND IF THEY DON'T RESPOND TO IT, THEN IT EXPIRES.

SO IT, IT, I DON'T SEE WHY IT NEEDS TO COME BACK TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO BE AWARE OF THAT WHEN I THINK IT'S MORE OF, IN MY OPINION, AN INTERNAL PLANNING PROCESS AND PROCEDURE.

ANYWAY.

THAT'S MY 2 CENTS.

WE'VE TRIED TO, IN, IN THE PAST WITH, WITH A LOT OF THESE, WE'VE TRIED TO KEEP 'EM ADMINISTRATIVE VERSUS LEGISLATIVE.

UM, YOU KNOW, WITH LEGISLATIVE, WE'RE, WE'RE, AGAIN, WE'RE PUTTING IT ON YOUR AGENDA MOST OF THE TIME IT'S FOR A CONSENT AGENDA ITEM FOR EITHER RENAMING OR AN EXTENSION.

I MEAN, REALLY.

AND THAT, THAT'S, AND IT'S THAT IN THE PAST HAS BEEN NO FEE.

I MEAN, WE'VE JUST KIND OF TAKEN OUR TIME AND DONE THAT AND YOU KNOW, NOW IF WE HAVE OBVIOUSLY A PROBLEM CHILD, WE'RE GONNA BRING THAT TO YOU AS, AS A REQUEST FOR REVOCATION, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, A LOT MORE EXTENSIVE.

AND THEN THAT GIVES THAT, THAT PROPERTY OWNER AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY WHY THEY ARE TAKING THIS AWAY FROM US.

YOU KNOW? UM, I COULD THINK OF A, WELL, YOU KNOW, NOT TO INTERRUPT, SO, BUT, YOU KNOW, SO IF, IF THERE IS A OWNER THAT IS VIOLATING ANY OF THE CUP TERMS AND CONDITIONS THAT, OR THE PUBLIC IS COM OR THEIR NEIGHBORS ARE COMPLAINING THAT THEY'RE NOT COMPLYING TO THE, THE CUP, THAT TO ME THAT'S TERMINATING THE CUP, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.

SO THAT I WOULD SAY WOULD COME TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO, TO, TO, BECAUSE TO ME THAT'S LIKE TERMINATING A CONTRACT, YOU KNOW, TERMINATING AN AGREEMENT.

I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THAT.

SO I WOULD SEE THAT COMING TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVAL, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK WE HAD ONE THAT, THAT THAT DID COME.

BUT, BUT ANYWAY, SO I, I THINK FOR ME IT'S DISTINGUISHED BETWEEN EXPIRING VERSUS TERMINATING.

AND THAT'S REALLY THE WHOLE POINT OF WHAT, WELL, I DON'T, I'M SORRY, BUT I KNOW I DON'T WANNA, YOU, YOU SAID IT THREE YEARS TO ESTABLISH USE.

SO IF, IF SOMEBODY GETS A CV FOR A SHORT TERM RENTAL, THEY DO TWO DO IT FOR TWO MONTHS, THEY'VE ESTABLISHED USE.

IT, IT'S, IT'S, IF THEY NEVER DID IT, THEN THEY NEVER ESTABLISHED USE, THEN THREE YEARS PASSED, THEN IT WOULD EXPIRE.

JUST REQUEST AN EXTENSION AT ANY POINT.

SO IF THEY DID IT FOR A COUPLE MONTHS AND SAID, WELL, WE'RE NOT REALLY, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THIS, BUT THEY DO LIKE THINK FIVE YEARS FROM NOW WHEN OUR KIDS ARE GRADUATED OUTTA HIGH SCHOOL, THEN WE'LL DO IT.

SO ONCE THEY'VE ESTABLISHED THE USE IS, NONE OF THIS EVEN APPLIES.

THIS THREE YEAR DOESN'T EVEN APPLY, DOES IT? I MEAN, IF IT BECOMES INACTIVE FOR THREE YEARS, THEY, THEY RUN A YEAR, QUIT USING IT.

IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE YEAH.

RUN IT A YEAR QUICKER.

WELL, OKAY.

THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ESTABLISHMENT AND THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT SHOULD BE IN THE ORDINANCE.

SO YOU'VE GOTTA RENT OUT YOUR SHORT TERM RENTAL ONE DAY EVERY THREE YEARS.

JUST STAY AHEAD OF US.

THERE YOU GO.

WE'VE HAD SOME PEOPLE THE, IT'S, AND I MEAN, THEY COULD ALSO

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THEY'RE NOT ALL SHORT TERMS. NO.

AND THERE, AND THERE'S, LET'S SAY, LET'S SAY MY HUSBAND WAS THE MECHANIC AND HE HAD THE BUILDING AND WE USED IT FOR FIVE YEARS, HE DROPS DEAD.

AND I'M NOT A MECHANIC, SO I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR SOMEONE TO SELL IT TO, BUT IT'S TAKEN ME MORE THAN THREE YEARS.

THAT SEEMS UNFAIR TO ME.

YOU KNOW? WELL, THEY WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REQUEST AN EXTENSION AND IT WOULD BE UP TO YOU AND WHETHER OR NOT TO GIVE THEM ADDITIONAL TIME TO FIND THAT REPLACEMENT.

SO IF WE HAVE TO GIVE, WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM THE ADDITIONAL TIME, WHY DON'T WE DO IT ALL? I, I MEAN THAT'S, WE'RE SPLITTING HAIRS HERE.

YEAH, NO, MY THOUGHT ON IT IS THAT IF THERE IS NOT A TIME WHERE YOU WOULD DENY THE EXPIRATION OF A CUP, THEN WHAT IS THE POINT OF BOGGING DOWN YOUR AGENDAS AND MAKING YOU DO SO MANY OF THESE ITEMS IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE SAME ANSWER FOR EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM THAT ANY ONE OF THE STAFF MEMBERS COULD GET TO.

AND, BUT WE DON'T KNOW THAT.

SO YOU'RE INTERPRETING WHAT YOU THINK WE MIGHT DO.

AND I JUST HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

I, I, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT WE WERE ELECTED TO DO, MAKE THESE DETERMINATIONS.

AND NOT THAT I DON'T TRUST YOU, BUT IT'S IF, IF IN THAT CASE SCENARIO WE HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISION, IT JUST MAKES SENSE JUST TO HAVE IT CARTE BLANCHE ACROSS THE BOARD THAT THEY JUST COME, DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A PUBLIC HEARING.

SO THERE'S NO EXPENSE THERE.

IT MIGHT PUT A LITTLE MORE ON THE AGENDA, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE GOT ELECTED TO DO.

JUST MY THOUGHTS ON IT.

MAY, MAY I PRESENT A COUPLE OF, UH, EXAMPLES RELATING TO THE, UH, THE AUTO REPAIR GARAGES.

UM, TERRAN, TN LOGAN'S FATHER WAS A REPAIR MECHANIC.

HE WAS FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.

AND, UH, WHEN HE PASSED AWAY, HER MOTHER WANTED TO KEEP THAT CUP ACTIVE.

AND OF COURSE, TERRAN AND I ALWAYS WORKED TOGETHER.

AND IT WAS LIKE WE WOULD LET HER MOM KNOW, YOU NEED TO APPLY FOR, YOU KNOW, SEND A LETTER TO THE COUNTY REQUESTING ANOTHER TWO YEAR EXTENSION.

AND SHE DID THAT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.

UM, AND WE'VE KEPT, WE KEPT THAT CUP ACTIVE.

THERE'S A GENTLEMAN DOWN IN YOUR NECK OF THE WOODS, UH, JUNIOR JENKINS MM-HMM .

MR. JENKINS.

I HAVEN'T TALKED TO HIM FOR A WHILE.

I KNOW HE WAS IN A LITTLE BIT POOR HEALTH, BUT HE, HE WORKED AT HIS REPAIR SHOP FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, HE, I BELIEVE HE IS RETIRED NOW AND, UH, HE WAS GONNA PASS IT ON TO HIS GRANDSON.

AND LAST I HEARD, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF HIS GRANDSON WAS ACTIVELY DOING THAT.

THAT GRANDSON WAS KILLED IN AN AUTOMOBILE ACCIDENT.

OH, OKAY.

I'M, I'M SORRY.

BUT IN ANY CASE, UM, SO THAT'S LIKE ONE THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO REVIEW AND SAY, OKAY, IS THIS AN ACTIVE PERMIT ANYMORE, MR. JENKINS, ARE YOU DOING THIS ANYMORE? AND IF YOU TOLD US I HAVEN'T BEEN DOING THIS, I HAVEN'T, I HAVEN'T BEEN EVEN KEEPING MY, MY, UH, BUSINESS LICENSE FOR A COUPLE YEARS.

NOW, I GOTTA TELL YOU, I I, I REVIEWED THESE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.

WE HAVE, WE BASICALLY, WE DO HAVE, WE HAVE HUNDREDS OF CEPS, NOT JUST NOT COUNTING THE SHORT TERM TOURIST REP.

YOU KNOW, AND IT, IT WAS A PROCESS TRYING TO KEEP ON TOP OF ALL THESE, AND, AND THE ONES I FOCUSED ON PRIMARILY WAS THE ONES THAT REALLY WERE HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUES, LIKE YOUR KENNELS AND YOUR, YOUR CAR REPAIR GARAGES.

AND THEN ONCE WE GOT THE SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL.

SO WE DO KEEP THAT, TRY AND STAY ON TOP OF THAT AS BEST WE CAN.

UM, BUT IN ANY CASE, JUST MY POINT IS, IS THAT AT SOME, SOMETIMES THEY GET, GET AWAY FROM US AND THINGS HAPPEN.

THE PERSON CEASES EVEN DOING IT AND THEY, THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE THEIR BUSINESS LICENSE AND IT MIGHT BE A YEAR OR TWO OR WHATEVER.

AND I, I NEVER BROUGHT IT TO THE BOARD.

I JUST BASICALLY CLOSED IT OUT AT THAT TIME, UM, AFTER I SPOKE WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE AS FAR AS WHEN THAT BUSINESS LICENSE WAS DONE.

'CAUSE MOST OF THESE ALL REQUIRE, DO, DO, REQUIRE THE BUSINESS LICENSES.

AND THAT'S HOW WITH THE SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL, WE TRACK THEM BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO PAY THAT TRANSIENT LODGING AND THEY PROVIDE US WITH THE, UH, WATER QUALITY REPORT ON ANNUAL BASIS.

SO, UM, WE, WE DO TRY AND KEEP THE LINE OF COMMUNICATION OPEN AS BEST WE CAN.

NO, AND I, I'M JUST SAYING, LISTENING TO WHAT HE, HE PRESENTED THERE THAT ON SOMETIMES WE WOULD BE MAKING A DETERMINATION, SOMETIMES WE'RE NOT.

SO WHY NOT MAKE IT SMOOTH AND JUST SAY THAT'S ALL ONE, ONE DOING IT ONE WAY INSTEAD OF BACK AND FORTH.

UM, AND LIKE I SAID, IF THEY WERE ALL SHORT TERM RENTALS, MAYBE THAT WOULD BE FAIRLY EASY BECAUSE THEY'RE EITHER

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DOING IT OR THEY'RE NOT.

BUT WHEN YOU HAVE BUSINESSES LIKE, YOU KNOW, MR. GROVES, UM, IF YOU FIND A MECHANIC THAT'S WANTS TO START HIS BUSINESS BUT CAN'T AFFORD TO BUILD WHAT HE HAD, UM, AND THEY COME AND GO DEPENDING ON HOW GOOD A MECHANIC THEY ARE.

SO I CAN SEE WHERE SHE WOULD WANNA KEEP THAT.

BECAUSE IF THAT ONE LEAVES, SOMEBODY ELSE MIGHT WANNA COME IN AND DO IT.

NOT LIKE ME, BUT I'M NOT A MECHANIC.

THERE WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY USELESS FOR ME TO BE, BUT I COULD ACTIVELY, AND THERE AND, AND THEN THERE'S FROM ONE MECHANIC LEAVING AND ANOTHER ONE COMING, THERE COULD BE A FLUX OF TIME.

AND TO PENALIZE THEM BY SAYING, WELL, YOU HAVEN'T USED IT IN THREE YEARS.

WELL, I'M, YOU KNOW, LOOKING FOR ANOTHER MECHANIC.

I JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S UNFAIR IN THOSE TYPE OF SITUATIONS, SHORT TERM RENTALS, THEY'RE EITHER GONNA DO IT OR THEY SAY, THIS IS MORE WORK THAN I THOUGHT AND I'M NOT GONNA DO IT AND I'LL LONG TERM RENT IT OR SELL IT.

UM, BUT BUSINESSES LIKE THAT, I, I, THOSE ARE GONNA TO ME A LITTLE DIFFERENT.

AND THE CU PS ARE NOT JUST SHORT-TERM RENTALS.

WELL, I'M WILLING TO END THIS DISCUSSION AND WE'RE NOT VOTING ON IT NOW ANYWAY, AND I COULD, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS I COULD FOLLOW UP, UH, WITH YOU ALL.

AND WITH, UH, WITH CHASE LATER, DO YOU NEED ANYTHING ELSE FROM US IN ANY NEW DIRECTION OR ANYTHING? NO.

IT BE SIMPLE ENOUGH TO BASICALLY KEEP THE WHOLE PROCESS IN PLACE AND SWAP OUT ZONING ADMINISTRATOR FOR BOARD AS NEW BUSINESS.

SO IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE WANNA GO, I THINK IT'D BE A PRETTY EASY FIX.

MAYBE TABLE IT WHEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR PLANNING COMMISSION PUBLIC HEARING IT, UH, COMES AND WE CAN REWORK IT.

ADULT BUSINESS I KNOW, I THOUGHT THIS IS WHERE THE, ALL THE EXCITEMENT WOULD BE TONIGHT.

SO THE

[I. Text Amendment Discussion - Z2024-11-02 - Adult Business - Warren County Planning Staff - A request to amend Chapter 180 of the Warren County Code to amend §180-8C to add a definition for adult business, to enact §180-27D(21) to make adult businesses permissible only by conditional use permit in the Commercial zoning district, to enact §180-28D(23) to make adult businesses permissible only by conditional use permit in the Industrial zoning district, to amend §180-63C to add supplemental procedures for adult businesses, and to amend §180-63D to add supplemental standards for adult businesses. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator]

GOODNESS.

LET ME START BY CONFIRMING THAT WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY APPLICATIONS RELATED TO ESTABLISHING AN ADULT BUSINESS IN WARREN COUNTY.

THIS IS BEING REQUESTED BY PLANNING STAFF AT THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.

THIS TAX AMENDMENT IS PREEMPTIVE IN NATURE SO THAT THE COUNTY WILL HAVE PROCEDURES AND STANDARDS FOR ADULT BUSINESSES IN PLACE SHOULD AN APPLICATION TO ESTABLISH AN ADULT BUSINESS BE RECEIVED IN THE FUTURE.

SO CURRENTLY THE WARREN COUNTY ZONING NEW ORDINANCE DOES NOT HAVE ANY DEFINITION PROCEDURES OR STANDARDS FOR ADULT BUSINESSES THAT WOULD DIFFERENTIATE SUCH A USE FROM OTHER LISTED LAND USES PERMITTED BY RIGHT.

MOSTLY IN THE COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT, SUCH AS RETAIL STORES, CONVENIENCE STORES, BOOKSTORES, INDOOR THEATERS.

TAKE YOUR PICK.

UH, THE PURPOSE OF THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS TO ADD A DEFINITION, MAKE ADULT BUSINESSES PERMISSIBLE ONLY BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN THE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.

AND TO SET LEGAL CRITERIA FOR DENIAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR AN ADULT BUSINESS TO AVOID POTENTIAL LEGAL CHALLENGES UNDER THE FIRST AMENDMENT.

SO I MIGHT BE A LITTLE LIMITED IN THE NUMBER OF QUESTIONS I CAN ANSWER.

UM, I DID NOT WRITE THIS AND I DO NOT KNOW THE CASE LAW THAT WENT INTO THE SPECIFIC WORDING THAT WAS USED BY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY, BUT OVERALL PURPOSE OF DOING IT, I'M PRETTY CLEAR ON IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

SO THIS SAYS IT HAS, CAN ONLY BE IN CERTAIN AREAS.

WHY COULDN'T WE JUST SAY WE DON'T WANT IT AT ALL IN WARREN COUNTY? BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE GO AGAINST THE FIRST AMENDMENT OF THE CONSTITUTION OR OTHER RIGHTS.

SAME DEAL.

SO, SO WE CAN SPECIFY THAT WE DON'T WANT IT IN SOME AREAS, BUT IT'S OKAY IN OTHER AREAS.

BUT IN THESE CRITERIA THAT HAVE BEEN SUGGESTED, HAVE BASICALLY BEEN PROVEN THROUGH CASE LAW AS LEGALLY SAFE REASONS TO DENY THIS IF YOU GET THIS TYPE OF REQUEST.

SO THIS, AND BASICALLY IT GIVES YOU THE TOOLS TO DENY IT WITHOUT AUTOMATICALLY GETTING CHALLENGED UNDER THE FIRST AMENDMENT.

SO IT WASN'T UNTIL YOU STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS, I LOOKED AT IT AND I THOUGHT, ADULT BUSINESS, OH, THAT MUST BE SOMETHING FOR ADULTS VERSUS KIDS.

AND THAT NOW I UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS.

GENERALLY, UM, BUSINESSES WITH RETAIL ITEMS THAT ARE SEXUAL IN NATURE.

SO I THINK THE TOWN CARVES OUT FROM, FROM ITS DEFINITION OF RETAIL, IT EXCLUDES ADULT BUSINESSES.

THAT WE'LL SPECIFY THERE'S CERTAIN AREAS WITHIN THE COUNTY THAT YOU CAN HAVE IT AND CERTAIN AREAS WITHIN THE COUNTY THAT YOU CANNOT HAVE IT.

BUT I KNOW, UM, OBVIOUSLY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY LIT AND SITE REPRESENT, IT'S WHAT THEY DO.

THEY REPRESENT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND WE ARE THE ONLY GOVERNMENT THAT THEY REPRESENT THAT DOES NOT HAVE THIS IN THEIR ORDINANCE.

UM, SO THIS IS REALLY SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN DEVELOPED BY CASE LAW OVER THE YEARS IN DIFFERENT CHALLENGES THEY'VE SEEN IN HIGHER COURTS UNDER THE FIRST AMENDMENT.

SO, SO THEN WE'RE, WE'RE JUST COMING ALONG AND SAYING THAT THERE'S,

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NO, THAT'S, YES, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD ESTABLISH IT AS PERMISSIBLE BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN OUR COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.

SO THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO COME TO YOU FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, BUT, BUT IT WOULD BE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL.

YOU, YOU CAN'T PUT IT OVER IN RESIDENTIAL.

WELL, IT'S INTERESTING THAT IT DOESN'T EXPRESS EXPRESSLY SAY THAT, DOES IT LITERALLY JUST TALKED TO MATT ABOUT THAT ? YES, IT DOES NOT.

UM, THE CODE REFERENCE IN THE CODE OF VIRGINIA IS BASICALLY ENTIRELY ABOUT JUVENILE EXPOSURE TO SEXUAL THINGS.

SO THE REALLY, THE CODE OF VIRGINIA REFERENCE IS WHAT TIES THE SEXUAL NATURE TO THE DEFINITION.

BUT BY SAYING, BY CP AND COMMERCIAL, BY SAYING BY CUP AND COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL, IT'S, IT'S BY EX BY EXCLUSION THAT IT CAN'T BE IN RESIDENTIAL.

BUT I MEAN, ACTUALLY NO BUSINESS CAN BE IN RESIDENTIAL.

SO THE REAL CONCERN IS THAT, UM, BASICALLY IF YOU WERE TO JUST OPEN A GAS STATION AND SAY YOU HAD A FUN CORNER IN YOUR GAS STATION WITH ALL THE FUN MAGAZINES, MAYBE SOME STUFF ON GUNS, YOU KNOW, VARIOUS THINGS IN THE EXCITING CORNER OF THE BUSINESS, UM, BASICALLY, UH, YOU WOULD STILL LEGALLY BE ABLE TO NEED TO BE ABLE TO ESTABLISH A RETAIL OPERATION.

YOU CAN'T HAVE A RETAIL STORE IN RESIDENTIAL PERIOD.

YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.

SO IT'S REALLY A MATTER OF DIFFERENTIATING THIS FROM NORMAL RETAIL.

IS THERE, I I'M GLANCING THROUGH IT.

IS THERE ANYTHING ABOUT WITHIN SO MUCH DISTANCE OF SCHOOLS? BEAR WITH ME.

THERE IS SOMETHING ABOUT SEPARATION.

IT WOULD BE UNDER THE CHANGES TO THE CONDITIONAL USE SECTION COSTS ALSO COMMENT WHILE I'M TRYING TO FIND IT THAT, UH, I DIDN'T WRITE THIS, BUT I HAD TO FORMAT IT AND I WISH I HAD JUST WRITTEN IT WOULD'VE BEEN EASIER.

UM, THERE WE GO.

SO FOR THE DIFFERENT STANDARDS, SO BASICALLY FACTORS FOR YOU TO CONSIDER IF YOU WERE TO GET A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR ONE OF THESE.

UH, THE PROXIMITY OF DWELLINGS, CHURCHES, SCHOOLS, PARKS, LIBRARIES, AND OTHER PLACES OF PUBLIC GATHERING.

B, THE PROBABLE EFFECT ON OF THE PROPOSED USE ON THE PEACE AND ENJOYMENT OF PEOPLE IN YOUR HOMES.

C, THE PROBABLE EFFECT OF NOISE, GLARE, LITTER, AND OTHER INCIDENTS PROPOSED USE ON THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.

D THAT THEY ANTICIPATE INCREASE IN DEMAND FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT IN FIRE AND RESCUE SERVICES, AS WELL AS THE PROXIMITY OF THOSE SERVICES TO THE PROPOSED USE.

E THE CONTRIBUTION, IF ANY, THE PROPOSED USE WOULD MAKE TOWARD THE DETERIORATION OF THE AREA AND NEIGHBORHOODS.

F THE CONSERVATION OF PROPERTY VALUES AND G, THE PRESERVATION OF CULTURAL AND HISTORICAL LANDMARKS.

SO YES, SCHOOLS WERE CAPTURED IN THE FIRST POINT THERE.

I WILL JUST MENTION THIS SETS A STANDARD FOR THE COUNTY AND ALLOWS THE LEGISLATIVE BODY THROUGH THE CUP PROCESS TO DETERMINE IF THAT PARTICULAR SITE, WHATEVER THE APPLICATION BRINGS FORWARD, IS A GOOD SITE FOR THE, THIS TYPE OF A RETAIL OPERATION.

SO THE LEGISLATIVE BODY, YOU AS THE BOARD HAS THAT OPPORTUNITY AND THE PUBLIC HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO WIN THROUGH THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS FOR THE CUP, UM, FOR THIS SPECIFIC NATURE OF RETAIL OPERATION.

UH, VAPE SHOPS, THAT KIND OF THING.

IT'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE, UH, REQUEST FOR US.

AND IF IT'S ALLOWED IN THAT, WELL, IN THE CASE OF LIKE RIVER AND COMMONS OR CROOK RUN, IT'S ALLOWED THERE.

THEY JUST NEED A CERTIFICATE OF ZONING FOR US.

UH, AND MAYBE A ZONING REVIEW IF WE NEED TO DO THAT.

BUT, UM, THAT'S PURELY ADMINISTRATIVE.

SO WE'RE BACK TO THE LEGISLATIVE.

THIS GIVES THE BOARD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, EH, THIS IS A GOOD PLACE OR NOT A GOOD PLACE.

SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I DON'T, NO, NO.

I JUST KNOW THAT, UH, WHEN, UH, WHEN WE GO TO MY IN-LAWS IN KENTUCKY, WE GO THROUGH PARTS OF WEST VIRGINIA AND DRIVING ALONG, YOU SEE THE BIG BILLBOARDS AND YOU GO, MY GOSH, THEY'RE CAN'T BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE PUTTING THAT UP ON A BILLBOARD.

SAME EXPERIENCE DRIVING UP 75 THROUGH TENNESSEE.

BEHIND IT AND SPECIFIC CHOICES MADE WITH WORDING AND STUFF.

UM, IF YOU GUYS DO HAVE MORE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ON THE TEXT OF THE CODE, WE'LL HAVE AN ATTORNEY FOR THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING THAT'S MORE FAMILIAR WITH THE CASE LAW

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UM, SO SORRY ABOUT MY LIMITATIONS.

I WENT TO FEWER YEARS OF SCHOOL THAN THEY DID .

YOU DID REALLY WELL.

STEP IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REVISIONS.

SO NEXT

[J. 2024 Warren County Comprehensive Plan Revisions - Authorization to advertise for a second public hearing at the January 8th Planning Commission meeting. This public hearing is for the draft of the Comprehensive Plan with revisions made since the November 12th joint work session, community outreach, and the November 13th public hearing and for additional Planning Commission and public comments. - Kelly Wahl , Planner ]

GOOD EVENING.

SO AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION PUBLIC HEARING HELD ON JANUARY 8TH, MR. SSIS MOVED TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION OF THE 2024 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH WAS SECONDED BY MR. HENRY AND PASSED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION BY A VOTE OF FIVE TO ZERO.

UM, THIS WILL BE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR AUTHORIZATION TO ADVERTISE ON JANUARY 21ST.

SO THIS PUBLIC HEARING, UM, ON JANUARY 8TH WAS FOR THE DRAFT OF THE PLAN WITH REVISIONS MADE SINCE THE NOVEMBER 12TH JOINT WORK SESSION, COMMUNITY OUTREACH, UH, PUBLIC HEARING ON NOVEMBER 13TH AND FOR ADDITIONAL PLANNING COMMISSION AND PUBLIC COMMENTS.

SINCE THE NOVEMBER MEETINGS, THE DRAFT OF THE PLAN HAS BEEN UPDATED TO REFLECT THE CHANGES RECOMMENDED BY PLANNING COMMISSION BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND THE PUBLIC.

THERE WAS AN ITEMIZED LIST OF, UM, UPDATES PROVIDED TO YOU ALL IN THE PACKET.

AND THEN OUR COUNTY, GIS COORDINATOR HAD MADE AMENDMENTS TO THE PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE MAP SPECIFICALLY TO THE ROUTE 3 45 22 CORRIDOR.

AND THREE OPTIONS WERE PROPOSED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

UM, A RESOLUTION TO ADOPT PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

OPTION THREE WAS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND ALSO THE UPDATES INCLUDED, UM, THE, THE AMENDMENTS PROVIDED TO US BY THE SCHOOL BOARD.

UH, WE ALSO HAD UPDATED SOME NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAD REACHED OUT TO US.

UM, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT MATT AND I SAT DOWN AS PLANNING STAFF AND SAID, HEY, LET'S INCLUDE THIS IN OUR COMMUNITY FACILITIES.

AND THEN FROM THERE WE JUST BRAINSTORMED WHICH ONES WERE AVAILABLE AND THEN OTHERS HAD REACHED OUT.

UM, SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OUTLINES THE VISION, THE VISION AND STRATEGY FOR THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF OUR COMMUNITY, INCLUDING ESSENTIAL SERVICES.

SO WE HAVE NUMEROUS NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE PROVIDING ESSENTIAL SERVICES IN WARREN COUNTY, AND BY LISTING THEM IN THE PLAN, WE'RE SHEDDING LIGHT ON WHAT IS AVAILABLE.

SO THAT BEING SAID, ANYBODY THAT WAS LIKE, SAY A NEW ORGANIZATION CAME IN WANTING TO ESTABLISH A NEW NONPROFIT, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO UTILIZE OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ASSESS FUTURE NEEDS BY ASSESSING THE POPULATION PROJECTIONS, DEMOGRAPHIC TRENDS, IDENTIFYING PRIORITY AREAS, POTENTIAL LOCATIONS, AND EVEN POTENTIAL FUNDING SOURCES.

WE'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ADD LANGUAGE THAT NOT ALL OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS RECEIVE FUNDS FROM THE COUNTY, UM, AND ARE LISTED FOR REFERENCE ONLY.

WE ALSO INCLUDED A TABLE IDENTIFYING, UM, AGRICULTURAL LOTS, BOTH VACANT AND NON-VA THAT COULD ACCOMMODATE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.

THOSE LOTS ARE THREE AND A HALF ACRES IN SIZE AND LARGER OR EQUAL TO, UM, WE ADDED SOME ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE JUST TO, TO BACK THAT TABLE UP.

AND ASIDE FROM THAT, UM, THAT, THAT WAS, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL THAT HAS BEEN AMENDED IN THE COMP PLAN SINCE, SINCE OUR LAST WORK SESSION.

I IS THREE AND A HALF ACRES.

IS THERE A A REASON BEHIND THAT OR, YEAH, SO THERE WAS A REASON BECAUSE THAT GOES WITH OUR FAMILY SUBDIVISION.

SO THAT'S THE MINIMUM.

UM, SO THAT'S WHERE YOU HAVE TO HAVE A, THAT'S THE MINIMUM ACREAGE FOR THE FAMILY SUBDIVISION.

SO THAT BEING SAID, THE MAJORITY PLANNING STAFF SAT DOWN.

WE, WE THOUGHT THIS THROUGH.

THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE THAT WE IMAGINE WOULD COME AND APPLY FOR THESE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS WOULD BE FAMILIES, WHETHER, YOU KNOW, A PARENT WAS GETTING OLDER AND NEEDED A, A, A PLACE TO LIVE, THE FAMILY NEEDED TO ACCOMMODATE THAT, OR A KID WAS COMING HOME FROM COLLEGE.

AND WE ALL KNOW HOW THE MARKET IS RIGHT NOW.

NO ONE CAN AFFORD A HOUSE.

UM, SO THIS, THAT WAS WHERE WE STARTED WITH THE THREE AND A HALF ACRES.

THAT DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE WHAT IS SET THE COMP PLAN, PUTTING IT IN THE COMP PLAN IS JUST OPENING THE DOOR.

IT'S SETTING THE PATHWAY TO GUIDE.

WE WOULD HASH OUT ALL THE DETAILS IN THE ORDINANCE.

WE CURRENTLY HAVE A DRAFT VERSION OF THAT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE ADDRESSING WHETHER ATTACHED AND INTERIOR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS WOULD BE BY RIGHT IN THESE AGRICULTURAL AREAS.

BECAUSE WITH INTERIOR, THAT SPACE IS ALREADY THERE.

IT'S ALREADY AVAILABLE.

SO WHY MAKE IT BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THEN WITH DETACHED, THAT COULD BE POTENTIALLY BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

'CAUSE THERE'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT SET OF CRITERIA FOR, FOR DETACHED VERSUS ATTACHED.

AND THEN ALSO WITH ATTACHED, YOU HAVE THE POSSIBILITY OF BREEZEWAYS.

AND WE'VE SEEN IT FIRSTHAND THAT THE BREEZEWAYS CAN GET YEAH, THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN GET OUTTA HAND.

WE DON'T WANT SOMEONE SAYING, WELL, I HAVE A HOUSE UP HERE AND I HAVE THIS EXTERIOR BUILDING, YOU KNOW, 400 FEET DOWN HERE AND SAY, WELL, I CAN CONNECT IT BY A BREEZEWAY.

AND NOW WE HAVE A 400 FOOT BREEZEWAY MAKING IT AN ATTACHED DWELLING.

SO, UM, THAT WOULD ALL BE ADDRESSED IN THE ORDINANCE.

BUT, SO THAT WAS WHERE THE THREE AND A HALF ACRES HAD COME INTO PLAY WITH THE FAMILY SUBDIVISIONS.

AND, AND JUST TO

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ADD TO THAT, UH, THIS WOULD BE KIND OF AN OPTION TO DO IN A FAMILY SUBDIVISION IF THE FAMILY DIDN'T HAVE, WELL, WANTED TO GO THROUGH A CUP PROCESS FOR, UH, DETACHED OR WANTED TO DO SOMETHING BY, RIGHT.

IF IT WASN'T ATTACHED, AGAIN, IT'S BASED ON THE ZONING CODE, BUT IT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO FOREGO HAVING TO DO A FAMILY SUBDIVISION.

AND IF THE FAMILY SUBDIVISION RIGHTS HAVE BEEN USED UP, IT'S AN ALTERNATIVE FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT AS AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT.

UM, THAT THREE AND A HALF ACRES, BASICALLY, IT'S A MINIMUM LOT SIZE FOR THE NEW LOT OF ONE AND A HALF AND THE RESIDUAL LOT WITH, TYPICALLY WITH THE HOUSE ON IT OF TWO ACRES, WHICH IS YOUR MINIMUM LOT SIZE IN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING.

SO THAT WAS THE LOGIC BEHIND THAT.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF WOULD GO FROM THERE, YOU KNOW, IF THE BOARD WANTED TO INCREASE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.

BUT, UM, THAT WAS KIND OF, AT LEAST WE THOUGHT WAS, WOULD BE A MINIMUM.

ALSO, TO ADD TO THAT, WE DID CLARIFY THAT IT WOULD NOT BE UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES AVAILABLE FOR SHORT TERM LODGING OF ANY KIND WOULD BE FOR LONG TERM RESIDENTIAL NEEDS ONLY.

AND WE WOULD HAVE THAT IN THE CODE OR IN IN DEFINITION, SO THAT IT COULD, WE COULD TELL PEOPLE NOT FOR SHORT TERM TO RENTAL, NOT A, NOT IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL REGS THAT COULD BE WAIVED.

IT WOULD BE IN THE DEFINITION.

AND WITH THESE ADUS, THERE IS NO SUBDIVISION POSSIBILITY.

NOT FIVE YEARS AWAY.

NOT EVER.

IT'S, IT'S ALL PART OF THE SAME LOT.

THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE CORRECT.

YOU KNOW, UM, THERE, YOU KNOW, FOR FA AGAIN, IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE FAMILY SUBDIVISION.

YOU HAVE TO HOLD ONTO THE PROPERTY FOR FIVE YEARS.

THERE'S SOME REGULATIONS RELATING TO THAT.

SO IF AN A DU IS MORE SUITABLE AND THERE'S MORE OF AN IMMEDIATE NEED FOR HOUSING FOR FAMILY, THAT KINDA SHORTENS THAT TIMELINE A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

IT ALSO, AND THIS IS KIND OF SOMETHING THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING ALSO, IS IT REALLY BASICALLY REPLACES THE GUEST HOUSE ORDINANCE.

UM, THAT GUEST HOUSE ORDINANCE IS REALLY NOT EASY TO ENFORCE AND FOR PEOPLE TO BUILD A HOUSE, AN ADDITIONAL HOUSE FOR THE SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT IT COSTS, IT ONLY MAKES SENSE TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW THEM TO USE THAT FOR HOUSING, EITHER FOR FAMILY OR FOR SOMEBODY THAT THEY KNOW THAT MAY NEED A PLACE THAT THEY COULD RENT TO.

AND AGAIN, HELP OUT WITH THE CURRENT HOUSING CRISIS AND THEN ALSO HELP, YOU KNOW, GENERATE SOME KIND OF LONG-TERM REVENUE.

SOMEBODY WHO'S ON A FIXED INCOME, IT COULD POTENTIALLY GENERATE LONG-TERM REVENUE FOR THEM FOR THAT PROPERTY.

IT ALSO INCREASES THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY AND INCREASE THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY.

SO, AND THE REGULATIONS FOR A, YOU KNOW, IF WE PUT THE DETACHED BY CUP, AGAIN, THAT'S A LEGISLATIVE ACTION.

THERE COULD BE CONDITIONS BASICALLY SPECIFIC TO THE PROPERTY.

IF THERE WERE FOLKS WHO HAD ISSUES WITH IT, LIKE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER AS WELL, YOU KNOW, CAN YOU PUT IT THIS FAR AWAY VERSUS, YOU KNOW, JUST THE, THE REQUIRED 15 FEET FROM YOUR SIDE, 35 FROM THE REAR.

MAYBE THERE, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT COULD, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC TO THAT PROPERTY.

SO QUESTION ABOUT THAT'S DETACHED BY CUP IN LIGHT OF THE PRIOR CONVERSATION WE HAD ABOUT THE THREE YEAR, UH, NON USAGE EXPIRE, WOULD ADU, IF THEY WERE DETACHED BY CUP AND NOT OCCUPIED FOR THREE YEARS, WOULD THEY USE THAT A D STATUS? ? YEAH.

I, I I WOULD SAY THAT WOULD BE ONE THING.

IT'S LIKE WITH GUEST HOUSES, IT'S BUILT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL JUST ASSUME THAT YOU HAVE SOMEBODY LIVING IN THERE PERIODICALLY.

UM, AS LONG AS IT MEETS ALL THE CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR CONSTRUCTION AND THEY'VE GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS.

AND SO WERE, WERE THERE ANY NO, GO AHEAD.

I WAS GONNA SAY, WERE THERE ANY OTHER CHANGE? BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE IT WAS JUST YOU WERE ADDRESSING THE, UH, THE NONPROFITS AND THAT THOSE WERE LISTED IN THERE AND THAT WAS THE ONLY CHANGE THE, TO THE PLANT.

UM, ASIDE FROM THAT, WE DID, LIKE I SAID, WE ADDED A TABLE IDENTIFYING HOW MANY LOTS IN THE AGRICULTURAL LOTS IN WARREN COUNTY THAT HAVE THREE AND A HALF ACRES OR GREATER.

WAS NO PRIMARY STRUCTURE.

UM, JUST, AND I KNOW THE NUMBER SEEMS LARGE 'CAUSE WE IDENTIFIED OVER 4,000 LOTS, BUT THAT BEING SAID, WE BROKE THAT TABLE DOWN FURTHER TO SHOW HOW MANY OF THOSE LOTS WERE VACANT AND NON-VA.

SO THAT NUMBER DECREASES.

UM, BECAUSE WITH AN A DU, YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A PRIMARY STRUCTURE BEFORE YOU COULD PUT AN A DU ON THE PROPERTY BECAUSE IT WOULD BECOME AN ACCESSORY TO THE PRIMARY.

UM, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, YOU COULDN'T HAVE AN INTERIOR A DU IF THERE

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SO WE JUST, WE WANTED TO INCLUDE THAT TABLE TO SHOW, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN FROM THE PUBLIC, UM, THAT THIS IS GONNA CREATE A SPRAWL IN OUR AGRICULTURAL AREAS.

UM, AND SO WE WANT TO, IT WAS A WAY TO SHOW THE PUBLIC, YES, WE HAVE X AMOUNT OF AGRICULTURAL LOTS THAT COULD ACCOMMODATE THIS, BUT THERE'S NO WAY THAT ALL OF THESE LOTS ARE, ARE PRACTICAL FOR THIS, FOR THIS USE.

THEY, THEY'D HAVE TO HAVE A, A, A SEPARATE DRAIN FIELD FOR A DETACHED AND, AND PROBABLY INCREASE THE SIZE OF THE DRAIN FIELD FOR ATTACHED.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE COULD LOOK AT POTENTIALLY WAVING THAT SETBACK OF A HUNDRED FEET FROM DRAIN FIELD A WELL FOR THAT UNIT.

UH, YOU KNOW, IT COULD EITHER BE 75 OR MINIMUM STATE STANDARD OF 50 AS FAR AS THE, WELL, THE, THE DRAIN FIELD SETBACK FOR THAT PROPERTY.

UM, BUT SO MANY PROPERTIES IN MORIN COUNTY HAVE SLOPE ISSUES OR DRAINAGE ISSUES, THAT KIND OF THING.

SO IT'S, IT, IT'S GONNA PROHIBIT, IT'S GONNA DECREASE.

AS, AS MS. WALL SAID, THERE, IT IS GONNA DECREASE THE AMOUNT OF ACTUAL BUILDABLE LOTS FOR THESE, THESE ADUS.

AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S MY CONCERN WHEN, WHEN THINKING ABOUT THREE AND A HALF ACRES, IF, IF I HAVE BUILT MY HOUSE AND A TWO BEDROOM HOUSE, MY SEPTIC SYSTEM IS RATED FOR TWO BEDROOM HOUSE AND NOW I'M GONNA PUT AN ACCESSORY ON IT, THAT'S TWO BEDROOMS, MY SYSTEM'S NOT GONNA COMPLY.

UM, SO THEN WHERE NAVIGATING ANOTHER SEPTIC SYSTEM, POSSIBLY ANOTHER, WELL, IF I'VE GOT, BECAUSE THERE ARE WELLS THAT CAN'T SUSTAIN TWO HOUSEHOLDS, YOU GET, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT A GALLON A DAY.

UM, I'VE HEARD SOMETHING AND I CAN'T THINK OF WHAT THE NUMBER IS, UM, THAT YOU MAY NOT WASH CLOTHES EVERY DAY BECAUSE OF IT, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF THING.

WE HAVE AREAS, ESPECIALLY WITH TWO YEARS OF, UM, DROUGHT.

NOW I KNOW, UH, APPLE MOUNTAIN LAKE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE CONSTANTLY HAVING WATER ISSUES.

RIGHT? RIGHT.

UM, SO THE HIGHER DENSITY, YOU KNOW, THE MORE STRESS YOU'RE PUTTING ON THE, THE WATER, UM, WHEN YOU HAVE WELLS AND SEPTICS, I THINK THAT'S FINE.

IF YOU'VE GOT MISSABLE WATER AND SEWER, THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE ALL THESE SUBDIVISIONS AND THINGS WHERE THE HOUSES ARE CLOSED.

THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THIS.

BUT, UM, I I, I DO WORRY ABOUT THAT.

WE, AND MOVING THOSE SETBACKS WHERE, I MEAN THESE LINES AND, AND IF THEY FAIL, YOU COULD CONTAMINATE THE WELL, AND THEN THERE YOU GO.

YOU'VE, YOU'VE GOT A CONTAMINATED WATER SYSTEM.

SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE CAN USE ALL THE TECHNOLOGY IN THE WORLD, BUT NOBODY KNOWS EXACTLY HOW THAT WATER'S RUNNING.

AND BACK WHEN WAS IT, 2010, 2011, WHEN MINERAL HAD THE EARTHQUAKE, AND IT AFFECTED HERE, I KNOW, UM, IT ACTUALLY BROKE OUR, ONE OF THE PIPES OF, AT OUR HOUSE GOING INTO OUR SEPTIC SYSTEM.

SO IT, YOU KNOW, DID HOW MUCH DID THAT CHANGE THE FLOW OF WATER AND, AND THINGS.

SO I JUST FEEL LIKE THE HIGHER DENSITY IN SOME OF THE RURAL AREAS COULD, COULD HAVE LONG-TERM NEGATIVE EFFECTS.

SO WE COULD WORK ON THAT.

UH, AGAIN, THAT'S PROBABLY AN ACREAGE THING THAT WE COULD LOOK AT.

AND IF, IF, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST SUGGESTING THE THREE AND A HALF ACRES, IF, IF THE BOARD FEELS, WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE ZONING PROCESS, IF THEY APPROVE THESE FOR THE COMP PLAN, IT JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, FOR THE COUNTY TO, UH, HAVE THESE PART AS PART OF THE COMP PLAN, THE ZONING, UH, TAX AMENDMENT PROCESS WOULD THEN ADDRESS THE SIZE ACREAGE.

AND IF AT THAT TIME YOU FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, FIVE ACRES WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE AND THAT THEY MUST MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SETBACK, FOR THE WELL, FOR THE, UM, WELL, AND SEPTIC, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING YOU WOULD, WE WOULD PUT IN THE CODE.

SO, UM, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY THAN ONCE WE GET TO THE ZONING CODE.

THIS IS JUST, UH, A, YOU KNOW, WE'RE BASICALLY THE COMP PLANT.

AND SO IF IT WOULD ALLOW FOR IT, THAT LAND USE, THEN WE CAN ADDRESS IT THROUGH THE CODE MORE AND MORE DETAIL.

AND JUST TO CLARIFY FOR ME, IF I WANT TO TAKE MY GARAGE AND MAKE IT INTO A SMALL APARTMENT, I DON'T HAVE IT HAVE A CUP FOR THAT.

IS YOUR GARAGE ATTACHED OR DETACHED? ATTACHED.

IT'S ATTACHED.

SO YOU WOULD BE BY RIGHT.

FOR ATTACHED.

TAKE CARE OF IT WITH YOUR HEALTH DEPARTMENT STUFFS.

SO ALL I HAVE TO DO IS GO INTO BUILDING INSPECTIONS, DO MY PERMITS, AND THEY

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AND THEN WE REVIEW BASE FOR OUR ZONING PER THE ZONING PERMIT THAT WE DO FOR EVERY CONSTRUCTION.

CHASE IS GONNA REVIEW THAT.

UM, YEAH.

SO YEAH, IT'S, IT'S BY RIGHT USE THAT WOULD BE BY, RIGHT.

SO IF I WANNA BUILD A ROOM ON TO MAKE AN APARTMENT TO MY EXISTING HOUSE, IS THAT CUP OR STILL BUILDING INSPECTION? THAT'S BY RIGHT.

THAT'S AN ATTACHED.

IF YOU WANTED TO PUT, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT PUT A, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE MAY LOOK AT IS, IS, IS PUTTING IN THE CODE A LIMITATIONAL IN HOW THE LENGTH OF A COVERED BREEZEWAY RIGHT NOW, WE ALLOW FOR COVERED BREEZEWAYS TO ATTACH A, AN I CALL 'EM AN ADDITION.

IT'S, IT'S TO ATTACH AN ADDITION, BUT YOU'RE LIMITED IN HAVING NOT, WELL, LET'S PUT IT THIS WAY, NOT HAVING A FULL KITCHEN IN THAT ADDITION.

AND WE DEFINE THE FULL KITCHEN IS HAVING A, AN OVEN, YOU KNOW, TWO 20 OUTLET WITH AN OVEN.

AND WHY IS THAT? UH, IT THEN BECOMES A MULTIFAMILY UNIT.

IT BASICALLY, IT'S TWO, THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE'VE DEFINED IT AS TWO LIVING SEPARATE LIVING FACILITIES, LIVING UNITS, DWELLING UNITS.

BECAUSE THAT, SO IF I BUILD THAT, IF I BUILD, TAKE MY GARAGE OR MY BASEMENT AND I MAKE AN APARTMENT, I CAN'T PUT A KITCHEN IN THERE.

YOU CAN PUT A KITCHENETTE, BUT NOT A FULL KITCHEN WITH AN OVEN WITH TWO 20, YOU CAN PUT A LITTLE KITCHENETTE IF YOU WANNA PUT A STOVE.

I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE, WE'VE ALLOWED FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.

YOU CAN PUT A, WELL THAT, BUT YOU JUST CAN'T PUT THE STOVE.

IF I'M USING THIS AS AN ACCESSORY DWELLING, AND I'M A FIRM BELIEVER IN, I'M NOT DOING FOR MY FAMILY MEMBER UNTIL THEY CAN'T PHYSICALLY DO IT FOR THEMSELF, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO GO SIT IN A CHAIR AND DEBILITATE UHHUH.

SO IF I'M MAKING THIS AN INSIDE ACCESSORY DWELLING FOR MY PARENTS, I'M ACTUALLY LIMITING THEIR ABILITY TO TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES IF I CAN'T GIVE 'EM A FULL KITCHEN.

AND I FEEL LIKE A LITTLE, BUT THAT'S WHAT THE CODE WOULD ALLOW.

THE CODE THEN WITH THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT WOULD ALLOW FOR THAT FULL KITCHEN.

RIGHT NOW IT DOESN'T ATTACHED IN MY GARAGE.

MY GARAGE, BUT ATTACHED IN YOUR GARAGE OR IN YOUR BASEMENT.

AND YOU COULD PUT THE OVEN IN THEN, BUT RIGHT NOW, THE WAY THE CODE STANDS, YOU, YOU, YOU CAN'T PUT A FULL KITCHEN FULL THE OVEN.

SO THE CHANGE IN THE COMP PLAN WOULD, WOULD THE CHANGE WOULD, WOULD ALLOW THAT? YEAH.

'CAUSE I HAVE, WELL, THE CHANGE IN THE COMP PLAN, THEN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, RIGHT? YES.

SO, BECAUSE I, I MEAN, I'M SORRY, BUT I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF GOVERNMENT OVERREACH TO I PAY FOR MY HOUSE.

I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO ASK PERMISSION TO PUT SOMETHING IN IT.

WELL, IT, IT'S ALL ABOUT DEFINING A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING AND A MULTI-FAMILY DWELLING OR, OR, OR TWO FAMILY DWELLING.

IT'S REALLY KIND.

BUT MAKING AN ACCESSORY DWELLING, WE ARE IN ESSENCE SAYING WE'RE MAKING IT MULTIFAMILY.

'CAUSE YOU'RE BRINGING IN THE OTHER FAMILY.

YES, YOU ARE.

I MEAN, YES.

YES, YOU ARE.

SO, SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT WILL ACTUALLY PROBABLY ALLOW STAFF, IT'D BE A LOT EASIER FOR STAFF AND FOR, FOR FOLKS WHO ARE COMING IN AND SAY, LOOK, I WANT TO, I WANNA PUT THIS ADDITIONAL MY HOUSE, OR I WANT TO CONVERT MY BASEMENT, BUT I, I NEED AN OVEN DOWN THERE.

AND NOW WE CAN SAY YES.

YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE CODIFY IT, YOU CAN HAVE A FULL OVEN.

IT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE JUST YOUR KITCHEN AND YOUR LITTLE KITCHENETTE, I'LL CALL 'EM.

AND WE'RE ALSO KIND OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE WANT TO DO THOSE, THOSE, UH, UH, COUNTERTOP, UH, INFRARED BURNERS AND STUFF, THOSE HOT PLATES TO CATCH EVERYTHING ON FIRE.

SO I'M NOT EVEN SURE HOW WE WOULD CHASE MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP ME OUT ON HOW WE RULE ON THOSE.

BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP AWAY FROM ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, A FULL LIVING, SEPARATE LIVING UNIT YEAH.

AT THE PRESENT.

THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT WILL ALLOW US TO APPROVE THOSE.

I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE TERM CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT.

SPACE AREA, AND THAT WILL CONTINUE.

AND IT'S PRESENT IN, IT'S PRESENT IN HERE.

I MEAN, UM, THERE'S, I'M IN TWO SECTIONS AND SEE WHAT ARE THEY? ONE OF 'EM APPROXIMATELY? I, THIS IS AN OLDER VERSION, BUT I 84 96.

AND, UH, THERE'S A TERM SAYS THAT SAYS BONUS DENSITY, BONUS DENSITIES FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

UM, SO UNDER GOALS AND OBJECTIVES IN THIS SECTION, I THINK THE IMPLEMENTATION MAY NOT BE REALLY IN MY READING, CONSISTENT WITH THE, WITH THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES.

UM, AND IF CLUSTER HOUSING IS WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE, I MEAN HOUSING THAT'S PRETTY CLOSE TOGETHER, UH, THEN IT'S GENERALLY I'LL JUST LISTEN.

ENCOURAGING, UH, MORE DENSE HOUSING IN MORE RURAL AREAS.

IS THAT, IS THAT THAT IS, THAT'S CORRECT.

BUT THE WAY OUR CODE READS NOW IS YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SET ASIDE OF CONSERVATION OR OPEN

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SO, AND IT'S LIKE, I WANT TO SAY, BECAUSE IT IS LIKE 60%, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT FOR OPEN SPACE.

AND WITH WAYWARD COUNTY IT'S TOPOGRAPHY AND EVERYTHING IS, AND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ACTUALLY A LOT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN SOME OF THESE PUT IN, SOME HAVE BEEN MORE SUCCESSFUL THAN OTHERS.

SOME THE COUNTY ACTUALLY HAD TO COME AND TAKE OVER ONE FOR THE ROAD AND THE STORM WATER, YOU KNOW, JUST TO GET IT DEVELOPED.

UM, YEAH, I JUST, SO IT'S A CHALLENGE, BUT YEAH.

AND MY GENERAL QUESTION IS, IS THIS SORT OF ARE CLUSTER DEVELOPMENTS IN TERMS LIKE BONUS DENSITIES FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN, IN THE GENERAL THEME OF, OF KEEPING THE COUNTY RURAL, KIND OF RURAL RUST.

AND WHEN I THINK OF THE ADUS AND THAT TABLE THAT'S PROVIDED, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF LOTS OUT THERE.

AND IF YOU, IF I, IF YOU SHOWED ME AN, UM, ACRES PER PERSON STATISTIC YEAH.

NOW, AND, AND THEN ASSUMED THAT AN A DU WAS BUILT ON EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE AVAILABLE, THE ACRES PER PERSON WOULD STILL BE HUGE RELATIVE TO SAY TOWN.

IN OTHER WORDS, THE DENSITY, IT WOULD BE TINY IN EITHER CASE.

BUT, BUT IF, IF CLUSTER HOUSING AND BONUS DENSITIES FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING SORT OF IMPLY THAT GO OUT ON A, ON A, LIKE A SIX 19 OR, OR A, YOU KNOW, A RURAL, BASICALLY A STATE ROAD.

AND I THINK JUST THE, THE LAST BOARD A COUPLE YEARS AGO DECLINED TO DO A CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT YEAH.

OF, OF RELIANCE ROAD.

SO IT IS THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND IN VISIONING THOSE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS WHERE THERE'S SAY 50, 80, A HUNDRED ACRES, AND THERE'S GONNA BE YEAH.

IT, IT WILL CONTINUE THAT WE HAVE NOT TAKEN THAT OUT AS AN OPTION FOR, UH, FOR HOUSING.

WELL, I'M QUESTIONING IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT THE VISION IS FOR THE COUNTY, IS TO HAVE 50, 60 HOUSES OUT, UH, FOUR MILES, FIVE MILES OUT OF TOWN? IT'S KIND OF IN THE RURAL AREAS? WELL, CURRENTLY, CURRENTLY YOU'RE LIMITED TO SIX BY RIGHT.

PER PARCEL.

I, I DON'T HAVE THE CODE IN FRONT OF ME, BUT, SO IF YOU HAVE A SIX ACRE PARCEL, THEN YOU CAN, YOU CAN DO THAT BY RIGHT.

WITH ONE, BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE 60% OPENS.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE OPEN SPACE.

CALCULATED AS PART OF THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT.

PRESENTLY.

PART OF THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT.

UM, BY CUP, YOU CAN DO TEN ONE ACRE LOTS.

AND THEN AGAIN, THE, THE, THE, THE OPEN SPACE AREA COUNTS TOWARD THAT.

UM, SO YES, WE, THIS IS AN ALTERNATIVE, BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THE DR.

HORTONS BUILDING HUNDREDS OF HOMES ON A LOT.

YOU'LL SEE MORE OF A, MORE OF A MODERATE CLUSTER H HOUSING.

UH, WHAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF, OF THAT LIKE NOW? SO, UH, HOLIDAY PLANTATION IS PROBABLY OUR MORE RECENT ONE DOWN IN BROWNTOWN BROWNTOWN ROAD.

AND I WANT TO SAY THERE'S ABOUT 17 LOTS SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE.

AND THERE WAS ONE LOT THAT'S YOUR RESERVE AREA.

THAT WAS A PRETTY GOOD SIZED LOT.

SO YOUR OPEN SPACE WAS RESERVED THERE WITH ONE HOUSING, RIGHT? ONE, ONE BUILDING.

UM, I WILL TELL YOU THAT IN YOUR DISTRICT, I HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING A CLUSTER SUBDIVISION FOR THAT SAME PARCELS, THOSE SAME PARCELS.

UM, THE LOTS, YOU KNOW, THE HIGH, YOU KNOW, THESE, THESE DENSITY LOTS HAVE TO HAVE A ROAD BUILT TO STATE STANDARDS TO CONNECT ALL OF THESE.

SO, SO THERE'S AN INFRASTRUCTURE COST TO THAT.

SO IN ORDER FOR A BUILDER TO, TO, TO JUSTIFY BUILDING THESE CLUSTERS DEVELOPMENTS THAT HIGHER, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE AREAS THAT THEY CAN BUILD, UM, UH, MORE HOMES.

UM, THE, THE OTHER COUPLE THAT COME TO MIND ARE, UM, I THINK IT'S WALNUT ROAD OFF OF, UH, UM, CAT FORD ROAD, CAT MOUNTAIN ROAD.

AND, UM, THAT WAS DONE NUMBER YEARS AGO BY LARRY ANDREWS, AND THEY RESERVE THE AREA DOWN IN FLOODPLAIN.

THAT WAS HIS, HIS OPEN SPACE AREA.

AND IT WAS A VERY, IT'S A VERY NICE SUBDIVISION.

YOU CAN SEE IT FROM THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING AND SKYLINE, UM, HIGH SCHOOL.

UH, THE OTHER ONE THAT COMES TO MIND IS THE WATERHOUSE ROAD DOWN IN MS. COLOR'S DISTRICT.

UM, THAT WAS THE ONE THE COUNTY DID HAVE TO TAKE OVER A PROPERTY UNDER DEFAULTED, I THINK, ON IT, AND THEN PASSED AWAY.

SO, UM, AND IN ORDER FOR, UH, THE HOUSE THAT WAS BUILT BY WOUNDED WARRIORS TO BE BUILT THE, THAT, THAT HOUSE HAD TO BE ON STATE ROAD.

SO THE COUNTY ASSISTED PULLED THE BOND AND TOOK CARE OF THE REST OF THAT, AT LEAST BUILT IT TO STATE STANDARDS WITH THE STORMWATER.

SO THOSE ARE THREE THAT COME TO MIND.

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VDOT IS, WE'VE MET WITH VDOT TODAY, ACTUALLY, WE DID A, A ZOOM MEETING, AND THEY'RE ADDRESSING, UH, THE SITE DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS.

UM, THAT WAS BASICALLY TURNED OUT 'CAUSE THEY COULDN'T MEET SITE DISTANCE.

AND THAT WAS A SAFETY ISSUE.

UM, WE HAD A FEW PEOPLE COME OUT AGAINST IT, BUT THAT WAS A SITE.

I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S THE GENERAL QUESTION IS WHETHER, WHETHER I OR OTHERS WANT A COMP PLAN THAT'S SORT OF PAINTING THE, THE CLUSTER DEVELOPMENTS IS THE FUTURE OF THE COUNTY.

AGAIN, IT'S BEEN IN THERE, WE DECIDED NOT TO CHANGE THAT.

UH, THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT THING.

AND IF YOU CHANGED IT, THEN, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, YOU'RE LIMITING THE COUNTY TO THE, THE BUY RIGHT EXEMPTS OR SOME OF THE SUBDIVISION CLASS A, CLASS B SUBDIVISIONS THAT YOU DO CAN DO ON STATE ROADS.

UM, THIS ONE, THE DIFFERENCE IS, IS YOU HAVE ONE ENTRANCE IN, AND THEN YOUR INTERNAL ROAD NETWORK PROVIDES ACCESS TO THE HOUSING.

AND THAT'S A REQUIREMENT.

VDOT DOES NOT WANNA SEE A BUNCH OF DRIVEWAYS ON THEIR MAIN ROADS.

SO, UM, BUT AGAIN, IT'S THE COMP PLAN.

IT'S WHAT, WHAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, A, A GUIDE FOR US AND IT IS CODIFIED.

SO WE DO HAVE THAT IN OUR CODE.

OH, OH, I'VE TAKEN ALL THE TIME.

YOU GO .

I, I WILL TELL YOU, WE HAVEN'T GOT, I, I'VE PREPARED SOME THINGS AND SOME STUFF FOR THE, UH, CORRIDOR OVERLAY.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M, IF WE WANNA TAKE CARE OF EVERYTHING AND THEN GET TO THAT, WE CAN DO THAT.

UM, BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME.

UH, I WILL ASK, UM, DID, DID YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THE, THE MAP THAT WE HAVE HERE THAT COREY JUST COMPLETED? I DID THIS MORNING AND HE COMPLETED THE SPREADSHEETS FOR DEVELOPABLE PROPERTIES.

UM, I THINK WHAT WE WERE HEARING AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, AND SOME OF THE CITIZENS CAME TO ME AS, WELL, HOW MUCH BUILDABLE LAND DO WE HAVE FOR, YOU KNOW? AND SO I'M LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW, COREY HAD PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER, BUT IT WASN'T SUPER, IT REALLY DIDN'T REFLECT WHAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE UNDER DEVELOPMENT, WHAT WE REFLECT, YOU KNOW, VACANT WISE.

AND THEN IT CURRENTLY DEVELOPED.

SO CORY WORKED WITH ME, UH, ON, ON MY REQUEST.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE HERE WITH THE, UH, SPREADSHEETS THAT HE PUT TOGETHER BASED ON THE CORRIDOR OVERVIEW PLAN.

SO IF YOU WANT, WE CAN GO OVER THAT NOW.

IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU HAVE? YEAH, I JUST HAVE OKAY.

UM, A QUESTION.

THIS IS KIND OF NEW.

SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THIS.

THAT'S OKAY.

IF YOU'RE NOT PREPARED, WE CAN TALK OFFLINE ABOUT IT.

SO WITH THE, UM, FOR THE COMP PLAN, IS THERE ANY LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT, UM, TALKS ABOUT THE INCREASES OF THE USE OF A AL AGRICULTURE LAND FOR COMMERCIAL OR PRIVATE USE? BECAUSE I KNOW IN THE, THE COMP PLAN RIGHT NOW, IT HAS LIKE, UM, FOR, UM, HOUSING, YOU KNOW, WE, YOU LIKE, UH, 3%, YOU KNOW, A YEAR, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF THING.

AND, AND, AND THE, AND THE, THE, THE REASON WHY I'M ASKING THIS QUESTION IS THAT, UM, WE OUT ON, IN, ON THIS SIX 19.

AND, UM, I THINK AT LAST, UH, LAST WEEK AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ON THE, UM, WAS CALLED LITTLE, THE, UH, LITTLE BOY.

LITTLE BOY VENTURES.

LITTLE BOY VENTURES, YES.

RIGHT? YES.

THE TEXT AMENDMENT RIGHT.

AND THE THREE CU PIECE, AND THEY WANNA HAVE A TRAINING FACILITY AND A SOCIAL CLUB OR WHATEVER.

WELL, YOU KNOW, MY CON I, I'D LIKE TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, IN THE COMP PLAN THAT WE ADDRESS THE, THE GROWTH OF THESE DIFFERENT USES THAT ARE BEING PRESENTED TO THE, TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO APPROVE ON DIFFERENT USES.

SO, SO LIKE ON SIX 19, I'M, THAT'S ALL A, A AGRICULTURE, RIGHT? MM-HMM .

WELL, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE COMING BACK AND NOW WE GOT C UP FOR A RURAL, UM, UH, EVENT CENTER.

AND THEN WE GOT THE, UH, WINERY CAMPGROUND AND WE GOT A CAMPGROUND AND, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF BIG COMMERCIAL AND PRIVATE USE GROWTH.

IN SIX 19, STARTING AT BEZA ROCK ALL THE WAY TO THE LIVESTOCK, YOU'VE GOT ALL OF THIS COMMERCIAL, UM, UH, UH, ACTIVITY GOING ON.

AND, UM, AND SO MY, MY, NOT SO MUCH MY CURRENT CONCERN, WELL, IT IS A CONCERN, BUT MY THOUGHT IS, SO WITHIN A SIX MILE SPAN

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AND WHEN THEY, AND WHEN THOSE CS COME TO THE BOARD, THEY'RE LOOKED AT INDIVIDUALLY.

SO, YOU KNOW, MY, MY THING IS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE COMP PLAN IS WHERE WE WOULD ADDRESS SOMETHING LIKE THIS, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S GONNA BE INCREASED TRAFFIC ON THAT, THAT SIX 19 AREA.

AND SO IS IT, YOU KNOW, IS THE COMP PLANT THE RIGHT PLACE TO KIND OF PUT SOME TYPE OF CEILING IN THOSE TYPE OF GROWTH AREAS? YOU KNOW? UM, IT, IT'S JUST BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WHAT'S IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS, MAYBE UHHUH, YOU KNOW, WE DID THE, THE WINE, UH, THE, THE VINEYARD OUT THERE.

AND THEN AN AREA, A TASTING ROOM AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND THEN CABINS, 25 CABINS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

AND THEN I KNOW THERE, THE OWNER HAS COME BACK AND NOW THEY WANNA DO AN EVENT CENTER THERE AND ANOTHER 25 CABINS OR SO WE JUST APPROVED, UM, A, UH, A CAMPGROUND OUT THERE FOR A A HUNDRED CAMPGROUNDS, UHHUH, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, UM, AND SO IT'S ALL IN THE SAME AREA ON SIX 19.

SO I DON'T KNOW.

THIS IS, I DON'T KNOW IF THE COMP PLAN IS THE RIGHT PLACE TO ADDRESS THIS, YOU KNOW, OR WE CAN TALK OFFLINE.

I'D JUST LIKE TO GET YOUR INPUT ON, ON THAT VISION.

YOU KNOW? YEAH.

IT'S, UM, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE CONCERNING.

AND I GOT CONSTITUENTS WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, THAT GROWTH, YOU KNOW? MM-HMM .

SO, UM MM-HMM .

I, I DON'T KNOW.

AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER, I GET IT.

WE COULD TALK OFFLINE.

'CAUSE I KNOW WE'RE, YOU KNOW, THE TIME HISTORY, I MEAN, WHAT COMES TO MY MIND IS, IS LIKE SOME SORT OF AN OVERLAY ON YOUR, YOUR PRIMARY FEEDER ROADS.

I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT SIX 19 IS, YOU KNOW, IS KIND OF A PRIMARY, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT VDOT CLASSIFIES IT AS.

UM, THOSE USES THOUGH FALL UNDER AGRICULTURAL, AND THAT'S THE CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE.

IT'S ALL ZONED AGRICULTURAL, SO WELL YEAH.

THE CCP, BUT THEN, BUT WHEN THEY WANT ANY, SO SOMETHING NOT, NOT IN THE CODE, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, LAST WEEK.

YEAH, RIGHT.

WE HAD TO REVISE THE CODE MM-HMM .

TO ADD CHURCH TRAINING FACILITY.

WE HAD TO CHANGE THE CODE FOR A SOCIAL CLUB FOR AGRICULTURE.

WE NEVER HAD TO DO THAT.

YOU KNOW? UM, SO I'M JUST LOOKING, WE CAN THINK ABOUT THAT BIG PICTURE, YOU KNOW? UH, I, I JUST DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, HOW IT, IF IT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED IN THE COMP PLAN OR NOT, IF IT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED INDIVIDUALLY OR, BUT, YOU KNOW, BUT TO ME THAT'S GROWTH YEAH.

AND DEVELOPMENT.

YOU KNOW, AND THEN THAT'S A LITTLE BIT WHAT THE COMP PLAN HELPS PUT BOUNDARIES AROUND.

RIGHT NOW IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS AND SEEING THE GROWTH IN THE APPROVAL OF ALL THESE COMMERCIAL AND PRIVATE ENTITIES VIA, IT'S A UP, MY FEAR IS THAT IT MIGHT TURN OUT SIX 19 COULD TURN OUT TO BE THE COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR OR THE WARREN COUNTY.

SO, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I'LL JUST, WHAT AGAIN, I'M KIND OF THINKING OFF, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

I MEAN, WHAT I'M, I, I COULD SAY IS WE COULD LOOK AT, UH, IN THE COMP PLAN, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE IT'S JUST, IT'S A GUIDE, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE COULD CONSIDER COMMERCIAL GROWTH IN THE AGRICULTURAL AREAS THAT ARE, UH, A LONG PRINCIPLE CONNECTOR OR PRIMARY ROADS, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, ASSESS THE IMPACT YEAH.

TO THE, TO THEM.

I MEAN, IT MAY BE WHAT WE DO IS WE REQUIRE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS FOR ANYTHING WITHIN THAT CORRIDOR, WITHIN THOSE ROADS.

I MEAN, VDOT, BUT THE THING IS WITH VDOT, THEY'RE THE ONES WHO KIND OF SET THOSE RULES MM-HMM .

THAT'S THE CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE.

SO WE COULD, I MEAN, IT MIGHT BE WHAT WE SAY IS, YOU KNOW, IF, AND WE DO THIS CURRENTLY, WE SUBMIT THESE, UH, APPLICATIONS TO VDOT AND SAYS, WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THIS? WHAT DO THEY NEED? WE DID THAT WITH THE CAMPGROUND AND, AND THE, UH, THE EVENT CENTER.

THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE'D HAVE TO KIND OF DO A LITTLE RESEARCH OR WANT TO KIND OF COME UP WITH.

MAYBE THERE'S A SOLUTION.

I DON'T KNOW.

BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN YOU GET THESE CS OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, VDO, THEIR, THEIR ASSESSMENT IS IT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THE ENTRANCE IS WIDE ENOUGH OR IF THE ROAD CAN HANDLE IT AND BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BUT NOT THE BIG PICTURE, THE ROAD AS A WHOLE, YOU KNOW, MY FEAR AND, AND I'LL BE, YOU KNOW, AND I, AND I SHARE THE CONCERNS, YOU KNOW, WITH THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS AND THEIR DISTRICTS AND WANNA MAINTAIN THE ROLE OF, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, VIEW OF FORK DISTRICT AS WELL.

IT'S BEAUTIFUL, YOU KNOW, OUT THERE TOO.

WE, YOU KNOW, OUR, MY CONSTITUENTS THINK THE SAME THING.

YOU KNOW, I JUST,

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YOU KNOW, I MEAN, BECAUSE YOU THINK ABOUT IT IS THAT YOU HAVE ALL THE, AND, AND I'M, AND I KNOW IT'S REVENUE AND I KNOW IT'S BRINGS, YOU KNOW, UH, REVENUE TO THE COUNTY AND THAT KIND OF THING.

BUT, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY MIGHT COME IN AND SAY, WELL, I WANNA PUT A SEVEN 11 OUT THERE BECAUSE THE AIRPORT'S OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, THE, AND, AND WE GOT SKYLINE OUT THERE AND WE GOT THIS NEW, YOU KNOW, UM, CAMPGROUND, THE VINEYARD, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.

YOU KNOW, SO, YOU KNOW, I, AND JUST KIND OF, YOU KNOW, UH, AND THEN WE CAN TALK OFFLINE JUST TO PUT MY ARMS AROUND IT AND YEAH.

YOU KNOW, AND SEE IF, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT, WHERE, WHERE, WHERE'S THAT AT? SIX 19? NO, NO, THE BLAH BLAH, BLAH.

OH, THE BLAH BLAH, BLAH ON SIX 19, THAT'S, WELL, THE BLAH, BLAH BLAH ARE THE CS THAT WE DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT JUST YET.

YOU KNOW, SO WELL QUESTION HOW MANY HOUSING LOTS, IF THAT AGRICULTURAL LAND WAS MADE RESIDENTIAL, WHICH THEY COULD DO, THEN HOW MANY HOUSES WOULD BE OUT THERE? AND THE, YOU'D STILL HAVE THE TRAFFIC IMPACT BECAUSE OF YOU TALKING ABOUT LITTLE BOY, THE LITTLE BOY ONE, OR WHICH ONE? IT'S ALL THAT THAT'S OUT THERE IS AGRITOURISM NOW.

YEAH, YEAH.

UM, MR. WAYLON'S PROPERTY, MS. COOK'S PROPERTY, ALL THAT.

IF IT HASN'T, IF IT WASN'T IN WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO WITH AGRITOURISM, WHICH WILL HOPEFULLY BOOST OUR REVENUES, UM, BRING MONEY IN, PEOPLE COME IN, SPEND THEIR MONEY AND GO HOME.

VERSUS IF THAT WAS ALL PUT INTO HOUSES, WHICH WOULD THEN AFFECT OUR SCHOOLS AND LAW ENFORCEMENT, FIRE AND RESCUE, ALL THAT.

AND IT WOULD STILL, YOU AVERAGE TWO CARS A HOUSE, HOW MANY HOUSING LOTS WOULD ALL THAT BE? YEAH.

UH, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE'D HAVE TO ACTUALLY PROBABLY DO SOME ANALYSIS ON, ON WHAT'S AVAILABLE AS FAR AS BUILDABLE LOTS NOW.

WELL, I MEAN, IF THAT PARTICULAR WASN'T WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND THE IMPACT IS HAVING ON THE ROAD, IF IT WAS HOUSING, IT WOULD STILL HAVE A HUGE IMPACT ON THE ROAD.

PLUS IT WOULD BE REVENUE OUT INSTEAD OF REVENUE IN.

WELL, ALL I'M JUST SAYING IS THAT WE CAN SLOW DOWN THE DEVELOPMENT.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE'RE TAKE, YOU KNOW, TAKING AWAY OR RESTRICTING A A, UM, PROPERTY RIGHTS.

I'M JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, LET'S, YOU KNOW, IF WE SLOW IT DOWN OR WE DO TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDIES, MAYBE WE, YOU KNOW, IS IT GONNA, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, THE COMBINATION OF ALL OF THE, UH, COMMERCIAL NEW COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ON TOP OF THE RESIDENTIAL, WHAT IS THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY? YEAH.

IS THAT DOWN THE ROAD V DOT'S GONNA HAVE TO WIDEN SIX 19 INDIVIDUALLY.

RIGHT? I, I DON'T KNOW.

SO WE HAVE TO CONSIDER EVERYTHING.

BUT AGAIN, I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO DENY THESE THINGS TO SOMEHOW WE NEED TO ADDRESS, IN MY OPINION, OUT ON, UH, OUT IN THAT AREA THERE, BECAUSE IT'S JUST, UM, I HAVE CONSTITUENTS CHANGING WHO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THIS AND IT'S CHANGING.

SURE.

YOU KNOW, AND I'M NOT AGAINST GROWTH OR ANYTHING.

I, I JUST BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE SMART GROWTH AND, AND GROWTH THAT'S GOING TO, YOU KNOW, NOT IMPACT THE, UM, THE CITIZENS OUT THERE.

SO ANYWAY, WE CAN TALK OFFLINE AGAIN ABOUT IT.

WE DO IT.

BACK TO THE CORRIDOR HERE.

HAD, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE UNDER CONTRACT AND THEY'VE, THEY'VE COME, WE'VE COME TO THE BOARD, WE'VE ASKED THE BOARD TO SUPPORT A RESOLUTION OF AT REQUEST PUBLIC STORM WATER.

WELL, UM, I'M GONNA STAND UP AND POINT, AND KELLY'S GONNA CLICK, AND SO WE, WE DID, COREY DID THIS, THIS MAP FOR US TODAY GONNA KIND OF REFER TO THIS AND TO, TO MAPS HERE.

CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME OKAY? AND IS THIS HOPEFULLY BEING PICKED UP? I'LL TRY AND SPEAK AS LOUD AS I CAN.

UM, SO ALONG WITH, WE'LL JUST, WE'LL KEEP THIS ONE FOR NOW AND JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THIS ONE FIRST? YEAH, YEAH.

WE'LL JUST, WE'LL JUST DO THIS AND, AND THIS IS JUST KIND OF OUR OVERVIEW THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT AND THEN KIND OF GO FROM THERE.

UM, SO CO AND CORY'S ANALYSIS THAT HE PROVIDED US, UM, HE, WE LOOKED AT VACANT LOTS THAT BASICALLY, UH, HAD NOTHING ON THEM.

IT HAD NO APPLICATIONS, NO SITE PLAN, REALLY.

NO, I'M GONNA SAY NO CONCEPT PLAN, REALLY.

YOU KNOW, I MEAN, SOME OF THESE LOTS WE'VE ACTUALLY

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SO WE'VE KIND OF, THAT'S KIND OF, I'M GONNA ALMOST CALL THAT UNDER DEVELOPMENT IS EARLY STAGES.

BUT, SO, SO, UM, IN THE VACANT CORE, AND I'M JUST GONNA, LEMME JUST PUT THESE DOWN HERE.

SO, SO VACANT, WHICH INCLUDES LIKE A LOT OF THESE R ONE LOTS IN HERE, THESE, THESE HIGHER DENSITY LOTS THAT THEY'D HAVE TO BE CONSOLIDATED.

SOME OF 'EM HAVE HOUSES ON 'EM ALREADY.

UM, AND THEN THEY COULD BE POTENTIALLY REZONED UP HERE.

UM, THERE'S SOME PLACES UP THERE NEAR, UM, THE POWER LINE JUST, UH, IN, IN NORTH OF MARLOW SIC AND THAT THEY WOULD'VE TO BE ALL CONSOLIDATED AND, AND THEN REZONED.

SO, UM, THE ACREAGE THOUGH, FOR ALL OF THAT, YOU KNOW, IN A VA FOR VACANT IS 1,092, NOT 93 ACRES.

WE BASICALLY HAVE THAT, IF YOU COUNT ALL OF THAT.

AND THAT'S INCLUSIVE OF, RIGHT NOW IT'S INCLUSIVE OF, UH, THE SLATE RUN PROPERTY.

'CAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE, I MEAN, IT'S GOT A CONCEPT PLAN, BUT WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE A DEVELOPER SAYING, I'M, I'M READY TO BUILD.

SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE COUNTING THAT AS VACANT.

ALL RIGHT.

THEN IN THE, IN THE, UM, UNDERDEVELOPMENT, AGAIN, I MENTIONED WE, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE SOME PROPERTIES THAT, UM, AND WE HAVE, HE DID A REALLY GOOD LEGEND.

SO WHEN YOU GET AN OPPORTUNITY, JUST KIND OF LOOK AT THE LEGEND THAT THAT'S HELPFUL.

BUT, UM, WE LOOKED AT THAT AND, UM, THOSE ARE ONES THAT THE A WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THERE'S EITHER A SITE PLAN THERE PROPERTY'S UNDER CONTRACT, THEY'VE REQUESTED PUBLIC SEWER WATER, YOU KNOW, FROM THE BOARD TO REQUEST FROM THE TOWN.

SO THESE THINGS WHERE THEY'RE ACTUALLY UNDER THE SITE PLANS UNDER REVIEW AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.

UM, AND RIGHT NOW THAT'S 215.4985 ACRES.

SO 215 ACRES.

EXCUSE ME, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DECIDED, UM, THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING THEY DID NOT WANT TO KEEP IN THERE.

THESE INCLUDE A LOT OF THOSE LOTS THAT THE EDA OWNED ON BALL DRIVE THAT HAVE BEEN SOLD.

AND, AND WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, EARLY I'LL, I'LL SAY EARLY SITE PLANS, BUT, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY THEY'VE, THEY'RE, THEY'VE STARTED THE PROCESS FOR DEVELOPMENT.

SO THAT'S KIND OF THE QUALIFIER THERE.

NOW, THE DEVELOPED LAND IS, IS WHAT IT IS.

IT'S DEVELOPED LAND.

UH, MOSTLY WHAT HE'S IDENTIFIED IS, IS, UH, DEVELOPED LAND AND CURRENT LAND USE SOME AGRICULTURAL, SOME R ONE, SOME MOSTLY INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL, BUT FUTURE LAND USE FOR INDUSTRIAL OR COMMERCIAL.

AND THAT ACREAGE RIGHT NOW IS 1,406 ACRES.

SO THERE'S DEVELOPMENT ON THE PROPERTY, BUT IN THE CURRENT LAND, USE MAY OR MAY NOT BE COMMERCIAL OR, OR INDUSTRIAL, BUT FUTURE LAND USE IS COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL.

SO THAT KIND OF, I THINK THAT, AND THAT'S A LITTLE BIT BETTER AMOUNT THAN KIND OF WHAT WE, WE HAD BEEN REQUESTED BEFORE.

I THINK THIS IS A LITTLE MORE ACCURATE.

SO, UM, SO LET'S, UH, AND, AND AGAIN, WE CAN GO DOWN, DOWN THIS, WE'LL TIE IT KIND OF GO BACK AND FORTH WITH, WITH WHAT WE HAVE, UM, UP THERE.

SO KELLY, LET'S GO TO WHAT WAS, UH, I GUESS WE'LL GO TO THE OPTIONS.

WHAT WERE THE, ARE THESE THE OPTIONS OR IS THIS THE ONE THAT WAS, SO WE HAD, OKAY, LEMME GO BACK HERE.

SO, SO STAFF, THIS IS WHAT WE HAD ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA.

I'LL TRY AND GET THROUGH THIS AS QUICK AS I CAN.

UM, FOR PROPOSED USES, UM, IN THE CORRIDOR, UM, FOR OPTION ONE, THE OPTION BEING ONE OF THE OPTIONS BEING THAT 140 ACRE LOT, UH, OWNED BY, UM, HORN LC UP IN THE TOP, UH, UH, RIGHT PART OF THE MAP THERE, UM, YOU CAN KINDA SEE IT AND THAT, UH, OKAY.

UM, THAT, UM, WE ACTUALLY HAD KIND OF COMPROMISED AGAIN FROM THAT FIRST PUBLIC HEARING AND WE SAID, WELL, LET'S, LET'S LEAVE SOME OF THAT AGRICULTURAL, BUT YOU KNOW, WE HEARD FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC, THE PLAINTIFF COMMISSION HEARD FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC THERE'S ISSUES, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT IS OUT OF THE TOWN, CURRENTLY OUT OF THE TOWN, PUBLIC AND WATER, UH, BOUNDARIES.

SO THE COUNTY WOULD'VE TO REQUEST THAT, THE TOWN WOULD'VE TO APPROVE IT.

UM, SO THE BOARD,

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UM, SO LET'S GO TO THE NEXT ONE.

SO THIS WAS OPTION TWO TO MAKE IT ALL, UH, ALL UM, UH, INDUSTRIAL.

AND, UM, SO BASICALLY THE DECISION TO DO THAT INITIALLY WAS DONE INTERNALLY BY STAFF.

UH, AND I'LL, I'LL, I'LL KIND OF GO THROUGH THE REASONING WHY, UH, AS IT RELATED TO THE SLATE RUN IN A FEW MINUTES.

BUT THAT WAS OPTION TWO.

UH, SLATE RUN IS SHOWN THERE AS RURAL RESIDENTIAL, AND I, AGAIN, I'LL GET TO THAT IN JUST A MOMENT.

SO THEN WE'LL GO TO OPTION THREE.

OPTION THREE WAS FORWARDED TO THE BOARD, UH, WITH, WITH THESE CHANGES.

NOW I'LL JUST NOTE AND WE'LL GO TO THE START AT THE, KIND OF THE VERY TOP THERE.

UM, THAT WAS RETURNED TAX MAP.

YEAH, YEAH.

UH, TM FOUR, PARCEL 38 IS WE REQUESTED A COMMERCIAL ZONING DUE TO ITS PROXIMITY TO THE FAIRGROUND ROAD AND SEWER AND THE SEWER WATER DISTRICT AND THE LAKEFRONT RURAL SUBDIVISION IN FREDERICK COUNTY.

SO IT, CURRENTLY, IT'S AGRICULTURAL, UH, BUT WE, WE ARE PROPOSING COMMERCIAL.

IT MIGHT POTENTIALLY BE A SITE THAT A CVS OR SOMEBODY IN THAT CORRIDOR IN THE FUTURE MAY WANT TO, UH, DEVELOP BECAUSE OF THE MARKET THERE AT LAKEFRONT ROYAL AND, AND WHAT WE HAVE IN BLUE RIDGE SHADOWS, IT KIND OF SPLITS THE DIFFERENCE.

SO WE JUST, AGAIN, THIS IS FUTURE LAND USE, KIND OF PUTTING OUR PLANTERS HATS AND LOOKING DOWN THE ROAD.

UM, THIS USE WAS, UH, LET'S SEE.

I'LL JUST SAY, UH, HOLD A MINUTE HERE.

UH, THIS PROPERTY WAS, I, I'VE GOTTA GET MY NOTES IN, BUT SHOULD, OKAY.

UM, IT WAS INADVERTENTLY AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN INDUSTRIAL FUTURE LAND USE FOR THE COUNTY.

SO WE'LL GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT.

WE'LL GO DOWN TO, UM, YES.

THAT LOT THERE.

OKAY, SO IT'S PARTIAL T TAX MAP 38, UH, TAX MAP FOUR PARCEL 38 WAS PROPOSED COMMERCIAL DUE TO ITS PROXIMITY.

UM, WE RECEIVED OVER REQUESTS OR INQUIRIES FOR THIS PA PARCEL, I'M SORRY, THE VERY TOP PARCEL, I'M, LET ME JUST READ THROUGH THIS, BUT, UM, WE'RE LOOKING FOR WAYS TO EXPAND THE COMMERCIAL ZONED AREAS FOR ADDITIONAL REVENUE TAX BASE FOR THAT VERY TOP PARCEL.

NOW, UM, THIS, UH, WAS CONTINUED DOWN THE COMMERCIAL ZONING DOWN TO, UH, TAX MAP 4 44 B, WHERE SHE HAS HER, KELLY HAS THE MARKER.

UM, WHICH IS CURRENTLY ZONED AGRICULTURAL.

THIS PROPERTY WAS INADVERTENTLY SELECTED AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN INDUSTRIAL FUTURE LAND USE.

UH, IT'S KIND OF MY FAULT.

UH, IN, IN SOME WAYS THE COUNTY STAFF, WE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THE DEVELOPER ON THE PROPERTIES, UH, THAT PROPERTY AND TWO PROPERTIES BELOW IT OWNED BY, UH, 5 22, UM, LLC TO BE REZONED INDUSTRIAL.

AND WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT GETTING A REZONING APPLICATION FOR THAT PROPERTY.

YES, THANK YOU.

THEY WERE SO YEAH, THIS WAS THE 2013, UM, FUTURE LAND USE.

SO, SO THEY WERE INDUSTRIAL.

UH, SO NOW, UM, THIS MAP THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE THAT WAS APPROVED, PUT THAT AS COMMERCIAL.

WE ACTUALLY, BECAUSE THE BOARD HASN'T, YOU KNOW, APPROVED THE TOP PLAN APPROVED THESE MAPS, WHEN THESE FOLKS COME IN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, I TALKED TO 'EM TODAY, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GONNA BE THE ANNUAL MONTH.

WE'RE JUST GONNA USE WHAT THE EXISTING FUTURE LAND USE IS.

SO THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE TO DO A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT.

WE'LL JUST SAY YOU NEED TO REZONE THE PARCELS THAT ARE NOT INDUSTRIAL.

YOU REZONE TO INDUSTRIAL AND THEY'RE GONNA DO A CP BECAUSE THEY WANT TO DO A WAREHOUSE.

SO GOING SOUTH, UH, AND WEST OF THESE ARE THE SLATE RUN FARMS PROPERTIES, AND I'M JUST GONNA READ THIS.

UH, THEY'LL NEED THE CEP 'CAUSE IT'S GONNA BE IN EXCESS OF 50,000 SQUARE FEET.

SO THAT WAS, YEAH.

A AGAIN, KIND OF LOOKING AT, WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THESE OVER AND WE, WE SELECTED THAT.

SO WE, I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.

UM,

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COUNTY STAFF WAS AWARE THE APPLICATION FOR A BLANKET REZONING OF THE 444 ACRES TO INDUSTRIAL CURRENTLY IN A TABLED STATUS BY, AT THE BOARD LEVEL AFTER BEING TABLED BY THE APPLICANTS EARLIER IN 2023, FOR REASONS I, I BELIEVE AND RELATED TO TAXATION AND THE PARCELS AND TAXATION LAND USE, UH, STATE AND COUNTY CODE RELATING TO ROLLBACK TAXES AND TAXATION REAL ESTATE.

UM, SO WE, I MEAN, THAT REALLY DIDN'T, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY'LL HAVE TO ADDRESS WITH THE ION REVENUE AND THE BOARD.

TO ACCESS TO ROUTE 3 45, 22 NORTH THE CORRIDOR.

UM, THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT STATEHOOD ALLOWS THEM TO ADDRESS.

UM, BUT WE PUT ON OUR PLANNING HATS AND WE JUST THOUGHT, WELL, REALISTICALLY, IF, IF, IF THIS DID NOT GET REZONED, UM, WHAT WOULD BE SOME OF THE, UH, SCENARIOS, UH, THAT COULD REALISTICALLY IMPACT THIS PROPERTY'S DEVELOPMENT AS INDUSTRIAL? AND I'LL JUST, I, I'LL JUST BULLETIZE IT.

DUE TO THE NEED OF A, A BRIDGE, UH, OVER CROOKED RUN AND THE RE RAVINE IT FLOWS THROUGH, UH, WOULD BE WILLING, YOU KNOW, A DEVELOPER WOULD HAVE TO BE WILLING TO BUILD THAT EXPENSIVE INFRASTRUCTURE REQUIRED FOR ACCESS TO THE WEST PART OF PROPERTY AND BRIDGES AREN'T CHEAP.

UH, TWO, THE CITIZENS OF BLUE RIDGE SHADOWS HAD SOME VALID CONCERNS ABOUT ADJACENT ZONING TO BE INDUSTRIAL DUE TO THE IMPACTS OF NOISE AND PROXIMITY OF THE BRIDGE.

THREE, THE CONCEPT PLAN SHOWED SHOWS A NEED FOR EASEMENT ACROSS A PORTION OF THE GOLF COURSE.

AND WOULD BLUE RIDGE SHADOWS BE WILLING TO GRANT THAT COULD CHANGES AT THAT INTERSECTION WITH TORE DRIVE SAFELY ACCOMMODATE THE BRIDGE AND MEET VDOT STANDARDS? UH, THESE WERE THINGS THAT KIND OF CAME UP IN DISCUSSION.

UM, FOR THE 134 ACRES THAT WE SHOW LOCATED WITHIN THE SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA IS IN FLOOD ZONE A AND COUNTY CODE PROHIBITS CONSTRUCTION WITHIN 50 FEET OF THESE AREAS.

A FLOODWAY IS NOT DETERMINED AND WOULD REQUIRE AN EXTENSIVE FLOOD STU STUDY.

THE PROPERTY IS LO ALSO LOCATED IN THE LAKE FREDERICK VAN BREAK AND INUNDATION AREA.

UM, NUMBER FIVE, ACCORDING TO COUNTY BUILDING CODE, OFFICIAL STORM WATER MANAGEMENT AREAS AND FLOOD PLAINS ARE THE EXCEPTION AND NOT THE RULE FOR DEVELOPMENT.

DUE TO THE NATURE OF STORMWATER PONDS AND FLOODING, THEY REQUIRE EXTENSIVE ENGINEERING AND POSSIBLE APPROVALS FROM FEMA AND, AND DEQ FOR THEIR DEVELOPMENT.

UM, AND THEN, UH, THIS AREA CAN ALSO, CAN BEST BE RESERVED FOR OPEN SPACE CONFERENCE CONSERVATION FOR THE FLOODPLAIN, WHICH HELPS WITH THE REQUIREMENTS FOR RURAL RESIDENTIAL REZONING AND LAND PRESERVATION.

THE RURAL RESIDENTIAL WAS JUST SOMETHING WE CAME UP WITH.

UH, THAT'S THE GREEN, YOU KNOW, AS AN ALTERNATIVE, IF THE PROPERTY OWNER EVER WANTED TO JUST GO THAT ROUTE AND SELL PIECES OFF OR, OR DEVELOP IT FOR RESIDENTIAL USE, UM, THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER CAME TO US AND ASKED US TO IDENTIFY HIS THREE LOTS IN THE COMP PLAN FOR RURAL RESIDENTIAL FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.

UM, AND THEN LASTLY, THE TAXES ON UNDEVELOPED INDUSTRIAL LAND ZONE WOULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE FOR AN OPEN STATE SPACE, AGRICULTURAL LAND, WHICH CAN'T BE DEVELOPED POSSIBLY OFFSETTING THE OTHER PORTIONS OF THE PROPERTY.

IF THE TAXATION ORDINANCE CODE RELATING TO THE ROLLBACK TAXES AND NON-QUALIFYING LAND USE WAS NOT SUPPORTED BY CITIZENS AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

SO HAVING THE FLOODPLAIN AREA IDENTIFIED, AND LET'S GO TO OPTION THREE, OR THE ONE THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

SO THIS OPTION THREE, WE'VE IDENTIFIED IT AS AGRICULTURAL.

NOW AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I'LL GO BACK TO WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS APPRO APPLIED FOR.

THEY'VE APPLIED FOR BLANKET REZONING FOR THE WHOLE 44 AC, 444 ACRES TO UH, TO UH, UM, INDUSTRIAL.

BUT EITHER WAY, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO BUILD IN THAT FLOOD PLAIN AREA, WHETHER IT'S INDUSTRIAL OR WHETHER IT'S AGRICULTURAL.

IT ACTUALLY PROBABLY SAVES THEM A LOT OF MONEY IN TAXATION FOR HAVING IT IN, IN AGRICULTURAL.

SO I'LL JUST SAY THAT FOR THE RECORD, UM, STAFF REALIZED THAT THIS WOULD DECREASE THE AMOUNT OF INDUSTRIAL FUTURE LAND USE AREA IN THE CORRIDOR IF WE WENT THE ROUTE OF THE RURAL RESIDENTIAL.

IT'S FOR THIS REASON THAT WE IDENTIFIED HOING LC AS A POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVE

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WE DID NOT HAVE ANY KIND OF APPLICATION FOR THAT.

WE HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF REQUESTS PERIODICALLY, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THAT PROPERTY, AND WE FILLED THOSE REQUESTS AND LET THEM KNOW.

UH, IT'S CERTAINLY BEEN AGRICULTURAL AND NOT IN THE FUTURE .

SO, UM, THESE LOTS, UH, LET'S GO DOWN A LITTLE FURTHER SOUTH.

THE, THE INFIELD LOTS THAT ARE, UH, UH, IN RED HERE.

YEAH, THOSE, THOSE, THERE'S LIKE THREE OF 'EM THERE UP A LITTLE FURTHER NORTH.

SO THOSE LOTS, UH, ARE CURRENTLY ZONED, UH, AGRICULTURE, LET'S SEE HERE, UH, AGRICUL AND, AND, UM, THEY'RE CURRENTLY ZONED AGRICULTURE AND JUST BASICALLY INFILL, 'CAUSE EVERYTHING ADJACENT TO IT IS NOW COMMERCIAL.

SO IT JUST, IT JUST INFILLS IT.

AND IT, THOSE GO BACK TO BASICALLY WHERE THE, UH, UH, FLOODPLAIN OVERLAY DISTRICT STARTS.

SO THAT'S KIND OF THAT BACK BOUNDARY SO WE JUST WANTED TO HAVE A CONTIGUOUS LINE OF COMMERCIAL, UH, OR INDUSTRIAL ALONG THE CORRIDOR DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO, UH, 5 22.

UM, THE LOTS AT THIS LOWER LEVEL HERE AND NO, THE OTHER ONE, THE PURPLE ONE.

THERE.

SO YOU ARE FAIRLY FAMILIAR WITH THIS.

THESE LOTS ARE IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 12 AS PARCEL 57 B 57, 1 CURRENTLY ZONED AGRICULTURAL AND COMMERCIAL RESPECTIVELY.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION DISCUSSED THIS DURING WORK SESSIONS FORTH THE INDUSTRIAL DUE TO PROXIMITY TO NATURAL, THE DOMINION NATURAL GAS POWER PLANT, AND POTOMAC EDISON POWER LINES.

THESE PARCELS COULD BE USED, UH, IN THE FUTURE, UH, BE IDENTIFIED FOR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TYPE USES OR SMALL SCALE FLEX WAREHOUSING OR TECHNOLOGY RELATED BUSINESS OR EDUCATIONAL TRAINING, UH, INSTITUTIONS, WHICH ARE ALL LAND USES IN OUR INDUSTRIAL, UH, USE.

IT'S, IT'S A UNIQUE PROPERTY.

COUNTY OWNS IT.

SO YOU GUYS HAVE A SAY ON WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE THERE, BUT, UH, YOU'VE GOT DOMINION POWER TO THE NORTH, THE POWER LINE TO THE NORTH.

YOU'VE GOT THE GOLF COURSE TO THE SOUTH.

IT'S ADJACENT TO THE RIVER AND IT'S ADJACENT TO, TO, UH, THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE POWER, UH, POWER LINE STRUCTURE AND A, A SUBSTATION THERE, UH, TO THE EAST.

UH, AND THEN LASTLY, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR PATIENCE WITH ME ON THIS PARTIAL IDENTIFIED HERE.

AS, UH, TEX MAP, 12 M DASH TWO DASH 14 IS OWNED BY CROOK RUN WEST HAS BEEN REQUESTED BY THE OWNER TO BE PUT IN THE FUTURE LAND USE AS AGRICULTURAL, WHICH IS THE DOWN ZONING IT FROM CURRENT ZONING OF COMMERCIAL IN ORDER.

AND IT BASICALLY TO COMPENSATE FOR THE TAXES THAT THEY'RE PLANNING ON THE OTHER THREE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES AND THAT PROPERTY, UM, HE HAD CURRENTLY HAS NO PROSPECTS FOR THOSE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES DURING THAT CORRIDOR.

THIS WAS PART OF THAT COMMERCIAL, UH, RUN WEST APPLICATION A FEW YEARS BACK AROUND 2017, WHERE THE STATE HAD $20 MILLION READY TO BUILD A BRIDGE.

IT WAS GONNA COST EVEN A LITTLE MORE THAT THAT BOARD AT THE TIME DENIED THAT APPLICATION AND THE MONEY WENT AWAY.

SO, UH, YOU KNOW, HE, HE HAS NOBODY THERE TO BUY IT.

SO THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS PROPOSED, HE HAS PROPOSED A SMALL CLUSTER HOUSING DEVELOPMENT WITH THIS AND TWO OTHER AGRICULTURAL LOTS HE CURRENTLY OWNS, WHICH ARE ADJACENT TO THIS ONE.

SO AGAIN, POSSIBLE LAND USAGE FOR SOME SMALL HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS HERE IN THE COUNTY.

UM, IF YOU WANT TO JUST KIND OF GO THROUGH THE REST OF THESE, WE'LL JUST KIND OF, OKAY, SO THIS IS OUR 1997 FUTURE LAND USE MAPS, UH, OF A CORRIDOR AND GENERALIZED LAND USE MAP.

AND IF YOU LOOK, KELLY, LEMME JUST POINT TO THIS ONE HERE.

IF YOU LOOK RIGHT HERE, THIS IS THE LITTLE RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION THAT THIS PAST YEAR WAS APPROVED, OR ACTUALLY IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, WAS APPROVED FOR A HOTEL ON ONE OF THOSE LOTS.

AND IF YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND CLICK IT FORWARD.

SO WE'RE IN NOW 2005.

SO YOU SEE HOW THE, IT KIND OF ENCROACHED A LITTLE BIT IN THERE, IN THAT AREA.

UM, IT BROUGHT, UH, FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, AND AGAIN, WE'RE STAYING ALL EAST OF THE CORRIDOR OF, OF 3 45 22, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF, UH, A LITTLE STRIP THERE, UM, NORTH JUST AROUND WHERE BLUE SHADOWS IS.

AND THEN PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING ELSE ON THAT WEST SIDE IS COMMERCIAL.

SO THE TWO , AND THAT'S THE, THE WHOLE COUNTY GENERALIZED LAND USE.

TOOK IN THAT WHOLE LITTLE SUBDIVISION AND THEN ALSO TOOK IN THE COUNTY PROPERTY THERE AS COMMERCIAL.

SO, UM, YOU SEE WHERE IT'S WENT IN 2013 AND IT KIND OF EXPANDED,

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UH, WE'RE PROPOSING THAT ONE TO GO BACK TO INDUSTRIAL.

UH, IT BROUGHT IN THESE PROPERTIES HERE AND BROUGHT IN THE SLATE RUN AND THE FARM JUST NORTH OF THAT AS INDUSTRIAL, KIND OF KEEPING ALL OF THE INDUSTRIAL TO THE NORTH.

UM, YOU SEE WHERE FAMILY DOLLAR IS IN THE ADJACENT LOT WHERE THE, UH, WATER TOWER IS, THAT'S INDUSTRIAL, AND THEN A CONTIGUOUS LINE OF, UH, COMMERCIAL ALONG 5 22 3 40.

AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE WERE GOING FROM.

SO, UM, AND THAT'S PART OF OUR STORY MAP THAT OUR GIS INTERN, HE INCLUDED ALL THIS INFORMATION IN AS PART OF THAT, UH, GIS PROJECT THAT HE WORKED ON FOR US.

YOU WANT TO JUST KEEP GOING AND THEN WE'LL GO THROUGH THESE.

THIS IS A GENERALIZED FUTURE LAND USE MAP, UH, RELATING TO THAT.

SO THIS IS OUR FU GENERALIZED FUTURE LAND USE MAP PROPOSED FOR THE COUNTY.

THE ONLY OTHER PROPERTY I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT IS THE SCENARIO PROPERTY OFF OF CAT LIT MOUNT ROAD.

YEAH, THERE YOU GO.

LET YOU THERE.

YOU, SO THAT'S A 200 ACRE LOT.

IT'S GOT SOME STEEP SLOPE, UH, CHALLENGES.

UH, IT IS ADJACENT TO, UH, RESIDENTIAL ONE LOTS THAT ARE DOWN ON THE FLOOD, UH, FLOODPLAIN.

UH, THE EDA CURRENTLY OWNS A NUMBER OF THOSE.

THERE'S SOME PRIVATE LOTS.

IT HAS LIMITED ACCESS.

IT DOES HAVE ACCESS TO CAT MOUNTAIN ROAD, BUT, UM, VERY LIMITED.

SO RURAL RESIDENTIAL KIND OF MADE SENSE TO US BECAUSE IT'S VIRTUALLY THE SAME, UH, SUBDIVISION RIGHTS IN LOT SIZES AND AGRICULTURAL, BUT YOU HAVE A A, A CONSERVATION EASEMENT SET ASIDE FROM TERMS INTO THAT.

SO YOU'RE KIND OF SETTING ASIDE AREAS OF THAT LAND FOR CONSERVATION, BUT ALLOWING IT ALSO TO BE DEVELOPED FOR HOUSING, FOR SOME HOUSING.

SO, UM, AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR THAT.

AND THEN LASTLY, UM, SO THIS IS, UH, THIS CORRIDOR.

THIS IS THE CORRIDOR.

SO, SO THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT.

THIS IS WHAT WE'RE PROPO WHAT THE, WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MOVE FORWARD.

UM, THE ONE PORTION, THERE WAS ONE, UH, PARCEL LAND THAT SLATE RUN IS REQUESTING FOR COMMERCIAL AND WE HAD IN INADVERTENTLY LEFT THAT OUT, BUT THAT IS COMMERCIAL, UH, ACT, UH, ACTUAL I GUESS LAND USE NOW EXISTING CURRENTLY AND USE FOR COMMERCIAL.

AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTED A COMMERCIAL RE ZONING FOR THAT PROPERTY.

THAT'S PART OF THE TABLE ZONING FOR THEM.

AND THEN OF COURSE WE HAVE NOTES ON THE OTHER O OTHER PA UH, UH, AREAS.

UM, AND THEN, UH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I GOT NOW.

UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION TO DIGEST.

UH, CORY WORKED DILIGENTLY ON THIS, SO, UH, I DON'T THINK WE CAN DO IT JUSTICE, UM, WITH JUST A QUICK LOOK.

SO I WOULD RECOMMEND KIND OF TAKING A LOOK IN THE NEXT LITTLE BIT.

AND, YOU KNOW, HE DID PUT SOME OF THESE, UH, ACREAGES UP HERE, SO, UM, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.

AND HE, HE, HE IDENTIFIED THESE NEW LOTS THAT WE'RE REQUESTING, UH, FOR THAT, FOR REZONING TO, UH, COMMERCIAL AND THESE, THESE WOULD BE SPLIT ZONE.

IT WOULDN'T BE THE WHOLE THING, IT WOULD JUST BE A PORTION.

AND HE'S MADE A NOTE OF THOSE IN THAT MAP.

UM, THERE YOU GO.

THE LAST MAP THAT YOU HAD UP THERE, LET'S SEE, THAT WAS THE 2024.

WE'RE GETTING THERE.

NO, NOT THAT ONE OR, UH, THAT ONE.

THAT ONE, OKAY.

THAT GRAY AREA THAT GOES THROUGH SLATE RUN, THAT'S, THAT RUNS, IS THAT THE, THAT'S THE FLOODPLAIN, THAT'S THE FLOOD PLATE.

THAT'S THE WHOLE FLOOD PLATE.

SO, AND THAT IS SHOWN IN THEIR, THEIR CONCEPT PLAN THAT, THAT THEIR ENGINEER GREENWAY PROVIDED THAT THAT IS ACTUALLY SHOWN IN THEIR CONCEPT PLAN.

THEY DO MAKE A NOTE FOR STORM WATER TO BE USED IN STORMWATER.

BUT, UM, AGAIN, AS, AS MR. B MENTIONED TO ME, STORM WATER IS THE EXCEPTION, NOT THE RULE IN THE FLOOD PLAIN.

PARK GET DONE IN BLUE RIDGE IN THAT AREA? WELL, WOULDN'T IT HAVE APPLIED ALL THE WAY DOWN THE, THE, THE AREA IN THE GOLF COURSE DOES NOT HAVE, UH, ANY STRUCTURES.

YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH FLOODPLAINS, YOU'RE, YOU GOTTA PROTECT THEM, SO, OKAY.

BUT GOING BACK TO THAT OR, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THESE, I'M LOOKING AT WHERE THE CREEK COMES DOWN UHHUH.

'CAUSE THE CREEK COMES ALL THE WAY DOWN THE CORRIDOR.

RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.

IF THEY CAN'T DEVELOP IN THAT, HOW DID THE GOLF COURSE

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UH, I, I WAS NOT HERE WHEN THAT WAS APPROVED.

SO I DON'T KNOW, BUT I'M JUST, THERE WERE THEY, THEY DID HAVE TO GET DEQ APPROVAL AND, AND, UH, APPROVAL FOR EROSION SEDIMENT FOR, I THINK THERE'S A RETAINING WALL THERE FOR CONSTRUCTION THERE ALONG WHERE THE HOTEL WAS IS.

SO THEY PUT THAT, UM, IN THE FLOODPLAIN, UM, WE'RE COM WE'RE MOST CONCERNED WITH DEVELOPMENT.

LIKE, LIKE STRUCTURES THAT HAVE TO BE INSURED.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT, UH, DEQ DID AS FAR AS THE APPROVALS FOR STORM WATER POND AND THAT KIND OF THING IN THAT AREA.

I THINK, AND AGAIN, I, I, YOU KNOW, HAVE A REAL CLOSE VIEW OF THAT, BUT THE, THE CREEK IT'S, IT'S BEEN INCORPORATED AS PART OF THE GULF COURSE CENTER.

I JUST, I MEAN THE, IT'S, IT JUST BEARS FOR ME TO QUESTION IF, IF YOU'VE GOT ACREAGE THAT YOU HAVE TO, YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING IN BECAUSE OF THAT.

WHETHER IT'S A GOLF COURSE OR, OR A STRUCTURE OR WHATEVER.

IT LOOKS LIKE THAT WOULD BE AN AREA YOU COULDN'T DO ANYTHING ALL THE WAY DOWN THERE.

UM, I WILL TELL YOU, AND I KNOW ABOUT THIS DOWN AT CROOKED RUN, UM, SHOPPING CENTER RIGHT THERE, UM, CROOKED RUN SHOPPING CENTER HAD TO HAVE APPROVAL FROM FEMA FOR A CONDITIONAL LETTER OF MAP AMENDMENT FOR PHIL AND THAT, AND THEN A CONDITIONAL LETTER MAP AMENDMENT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE RETAINING WALL ON THE BACKSIDE THAT, UH, I GUESS EITHER ENCROACHED INTO THAT FLOODPLAIN.

SO THERE WAS, THERE WAS SIGNIFICANT ENGINEERING REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT, THAT SHOPPING CENTER TO BE BUILT ALONG THAT FLOODPLAIN AREA.

UM, AND SO, UH, AND IF, IF, IF THERE WAS THE, UH, IF THERE WAS TO BE BUILT A BRIDGE ANYWHERE ALONG THERE, UH, THEY WOULD'VE TO MEET NOT JUST DEQ AND ARMY CORPS, BUT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO MEET FEMA'S REQUIREMENTS.

THE COUNTY HAS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HIGH HIGHER STANDARDS, WE'RE IN THE CRS PROGRAM AND WE HAVE A FLOOD PLAIN OVERLAY DISTRICT ORDINANCE.

SO, UM, ANYTHING, ANY, WHETHER IT'S STATE COURT OR, OR FEDERALLY BUILT, WE NEED PERMITS OR, YOU KNOW, EXISTENCE OF PERMITS.

IF IT, YOU KNOW, IT CAN BE THEIR OWN PERMITS, JUST SHOW US PROOF THAT YOU HAVE IT PERMITTED AND WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE THEN WITH, WITH BMO.

THAT'S THE CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE IN THIS CORRIDOR, ESPECIALLY ON THAT WEST SIDE.

IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A CHALLENGE.

I, I, I UNDERSTAND THE DEVELOPMENT, SO I JUST QUESTIONING WHY THAT BUFFER ON THAT YEAH.

DIDN'T APPLY ALL THE WAY DOWN.

YEAH, YEAH.

UM, ESPECIALLY SINCE, YOU KNOW, GOLF COURSES HAVE A LOT OF, UM, HERBICIDES, PESTICIDES AND THINGS, I WOULD THINK THAT THAT WOULD'VE BEEN AN ISSUE.

SO, JUST A QUESTION BECAUSE I, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND.

I KNOW THAT CREEK COMES ALL THE WAY DOWN, SO YEAH.

I BET YOU THAT'S ANOTHER FEDERAL AGENCY THAT REGULATES THAT.

UH, FEMA I DON'T THINK REGULATES THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE MORE WORRIED ABOUT THE NFIP NATIONAL FLOOD INSURANCE FOR, AND, AND, UH, PROVIDING INSURANCE FOR, FOR THINGS.

SO, UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF OUR, OUR, OUR LOGIC BEHIND THAT.

WE DO HAVE, UH, A MAP MAPS WITH THE EXISTING, UH, WHAT THE, WHAT THE PLAINTIFF COMMISSION HAS MOVED FORWARD, BUT IF THE BOARD DOES SO WANT TO CHOOSE TO LEAVE OUT THAT AGRICULTURAL AREA IN SLATE RUN IT, IT WOULD BE TOTALLY UP TO YOUR DISCRETION IN THE APPLICANT'S DISCRETION.

UH, I MEAN, THEY, THEY'VE ASKED, THEIR APPLICATION IS FOR THE WHOLE THING TO BE, UH, INDUSTRIAL.

A DISTRIBUTION WAREHOUSE, WHICH IS WHAT THEIR CONCEPT PLAN IS, IS THAT DOING A DISTRIBUTION CENTER AND A WAREHOUSE, IT'S NOT GONNA BE ON IN A FLOOD PLANE.

STAFF AND, AND ION JUST KIND OF THOUGHT, LET'S DO THIS ROUTE, LET'S GO.

AND, AND BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL BE THE WILL OF THE BOARD MM-HMM .

FOR THIS WHOLE TAXATION THING, AND THAT'S NOT OUR VALID, THAT'S YOURS AND THE COMMISSIONER REVENUE AND, UM, THIS, AND BY HAVING IT IN AG, YOU KNOW, LONG-TERM TAXATION BENEFITS TO THE PROPERTY OWNER MIGHT ACTUALLY BE HELPFUL TO THEM IF THAT CODE IS A CHANGE.

SO, UM, AND, AND AGAIN, YOU, YOU CAN'T, CAN'T BE BUILT THEN, YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPER'S PUTTING A A,

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AND WE WE'RE GONNA KEEP A BUFFER.

SO, SO I, MY MY COMMENT ON THIS IS THAT THEY'VE ALREADY GOT, UH, AN ENTIRE PLAN THAT'S BEEN TABLED THAT'S GONNA BE TAKEN UP BY THIS BOARD AGAIN.

AND, UM, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT TAKING A SCALPEL TO A FLOOD FLOODPLAIN AND RE ZONING THAT DIFFERENTLY FROM WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPLIED AND APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO BUILD ON IT.

BUT THAT'S, THAT'S AT SOME FUTURE, MAYBE IT'S TWO YEARS, MAYBE IT'S 10 YEARS FROM NOW, THERE'S GONNA BE A SITE PLAN, PERMITS GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA GO THROUGH ALL THAT.

SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE WHOLE THING SHOULD BE REZONED INDUSTRIAL AND ALL OF THOSE BRIDGES, UH, METAPHORICALLY AND LITERALLY SPEAKING CAN BE CROSSED AT THAT TIME.

UM, AGAIN, THAT'S, I'M JUST, YEAH.

WE JUST, YOU KNOW, WE JUST WANT TO KIND OF LAY IT ALL OUT FOR YOU.

SURE.

BE UPFRONT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO HIDE ANYTHING HERE.

WE'RE JUST TRYING TO PUT OUR, FOR US, WE'RE PUTTING OUR PLANTER'S HAT YEAH, YEAH.

YOU KNOW, JUST DOING OUR JOB.

BUT I THINK THIS WHAT, UH, IS PRODUCED HERE REFLECTS, I GUESS IT DOESN'T REFLECT THE CHANGE AND NOT CROOKED RUN DD ZONING THAT BACK TO AG, BUT, BUT DOWN LOW, BUT, UM, ABOUT THIS HERE.

WOULD THAT CHANGE, WOULD THAT CHANGE IN THE COMP PLAN OR JUST, JUST PROCEDURALLY FOR THEM TO DEZONE THAT? YEAH, THIS, THIS MAP KIND OF, UH, IT WAS, IT IS KIND OF LIKE WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW WITH SOME PROPOSAL.

YOU REALLY HAVE TO LOOK AT THE, THE DETAILED LEGEND ON IT A LITTLE.

I STUDIED IT, YOU KNOW, IN THE LIMITED TIME SINCE YOU SENT IT.

BUT I DO THINK THIS IS, THIS IS WHERE I INTEND TO LAND, SO JUST FOR EVERYBODY'S INFORMATION.

AND, AND AGAIN, UH, WE CAN PROVIDE THE TWO OPTION MAPS, UH, FOR YOU AT THE UPCOMING PUB WHEN YOU DECIDE TO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

WE CAN DECIDE THE OPTION OR WE'RE OPEN TO ANYTHING, UH, THAT YOU ALSO WANT TO, UH, BRING FORWARD TO US.

UM, AND WE'LL JUST PUT IT DOWN AS AN OPTION FOR A MOTION.

UH, I THINK WE NEED TO SHOW THE, THE MAP THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARDED, UM, UH, LEGAL COUNSEL HAS SAID WE ARE NOT TO CHANGE THAT MAP IN PRESENTING TO YOU.

UM, BUT A LEGISLATIVE BODY, YOU CAN CHANGE IT IF YOU'D LIKE.

AND SO, BUT YOU, YOU PRODUCED THIS MAP THOUGH, SO, SO THAT'S, YEAH.

AND SO WE KIND OF, WE KIND THAT'S AN OPTION.

THIS I JUST THINK THAT'S AN OPTION.

IT'S AN OPTION.

I MEAN, THAT COULD BE OPTION.

UM, YEAH, YEAH.

I MEAN, BASED THE, THIS IS KIND OF, I I ALWAYS FEEL LIKE THIS IS MORE INFORMATIONAL, BUT YEAH, WE WOULD, WE WOULD REDO THE OPTION THREE MAP TO WHATEVER THE BOARD, SO WANTED AS A SECOND OPTION.

WHATEVER INPUTS ARE MADE BETWEEN NOW AND THE HEARING.

AND, AND I'M, SO I'LL JUST PUT THIS OUT THERE.

I'M WILLING TO MEET WITH ANY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS INDIVIDUALLY, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT HAVE A MEETING, YOU KNOW, BUT I'M WILLING TO MEET IF YOU HAVE ANY, WANNA HAVE ANY DISCUSSION AND WE FOLLOW, AND I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER.

SURE.

I, I GUESS THE WAY THAT I LOOK AT IT IS, IS THAT, UH, IF THAT INDIVIDUAL WANTS TO, TO BUY THOSE 44 ACRES, LET HIM BUY IT AND LET HIM DEAL WITH THAT FLOODPLAIN, YOU KNOW? YEAH.

I MEAN, IF HE, YEAH.

IF HE WANTS TO PAY THE TAXES ON IT FOR INDUSTRIAL, IT, IT'S, IT'S THEIR, IT'S THEIR CALL RIGHT NOW.

IT'S TAKEN.

AND I DON'T DUNNO WHEN THAT, WHEN THEY'LL BRING IT BACK, IT, IT'S IN THERE.

SO ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS I GOT? SO I WAS, I WAS READING THROUGH THIS AND NOW I HAVE TO NEXT TO KELLY.

SHE PUT THOSE TOGETHER TODAY.

SHE WAS .

NO, ACTUALLY I'M, I'M TEASING.

'CAUSE I, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU HAD DONE ALREADY AND I'VE, I'VE BEEN ABLE TO COMPARE KELLY.

WELL, THERE'S A, THERE'S A LAG IN WHAT WE CAN GIVE TO YOU ALL BECAUSE OF WHAT WE AUTHORIZED TO ADVERTISE FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS.

SO THAT BEING SAID, THE, THE PHYSICAL COPY THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IN A BINDER IS THE ABSOLUTE MOST RECENT UP TO DATE AMENDED COMP PLAN, UM, WITH, WITH ADOPTED RESOLUTION FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

SO THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT WORK.

THAT'S OUT AND THAT'S, THAT'S, IT'S NOT RIGHT.

I JUST WANNA THANK YOU.

AND ALSO THE, UH, THEY'RE NOT HERE EXCEPT FOR ONE, BUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, FOR THAT 140 ACRE LOT, TAKING THAT BACK OUT AND KEEPING IT IN AG, UM, MY CONSTITUENTS WERE PRETTY LOUD AND CLEAR ABOUT THAT FOR A LOT OF REASONS.

AND, UH, I'M, I'M GLAD THAT

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YOU MAY NEVER RECEIVE THAT.

IT MIGHT BE AN OPTION THAT SOMEBODY WILL PURCHASE THAT AND PUT IN A CONSERVATION EASEMENT IF THEY WANT, OR, OR DO SOMETHING AGRICULTURAL RELATED TO YEAH.

FOR LONG TERM.

AND I ALSO WANT TO THANK YOU JUST 'CAUSE WE HAVE MET A COUPLE TIMES I THINK AND APPRECIATE YOUR AVAILABILITY AND TAKING OUR INPUT, UH, AND, AND INTEGRATING IT.

UH, THANK YOU.

AND IT'S, IT'S A GOOD PLAN.

BEFORE WE PROCEED TO, TO MS. MEADOWS, I JUST WANTED TO REMIND THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT, UH, UH, TODD JONES HAS REQUESTED OUR, OUR, UM, THE IPADS AFTER THE MEETING BECAUSE HE'S GOT TO UPDATE THEM.

SO JUST WANTED TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT.

PERFECT.

ALL RIGHT.

WE'LL START.

DOES WE HAVE TO PUT OUR NAMES ON OUR LAPTOPS SO THEY DON'T GET CONFUSED, I GUESS.

SO LITTLE NAME TAGS ON IT.

I GUESS.

SO.

PUT YOUR PASS EVEN SAID DON'T, WE ALL TOOK THEM OUT AND SO I THINK THE GUY COULD OPEN, BUT SHE SAID OUR,

[K. Progress Update of 2024 BOS Goals - Jane Meadows, Deputy County Administrator]

UM, SO PRIORITY 11 IS THE NEXT ONE.

'CAUSE I THINK WE HAD FINISHED WITH SEVEN AND HAVEN'T MADE PROGRESS WITH THE OTHERS REALLY.

UM, SO NUMBER 11 IS THE LIBRARY DEBRIEF AND RESEARCH.

UM, SO IN DECEMBER THE, UM, DECEMBER 3RD, THE PRESENTATION WAS MADE TO THE ENTIRE, UM, BOARD, AND THE BOARD VOTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A LIBRARY BOARD.

SO CURRENTLY, UM, YOU ALL ARE IN THE PROCESS OF COLLECTING APPLICATIONS AND STARTING INTERVIEWS ACTUALLY THIS WEEK.

UM, ONCE THE BOARD DOES DETERMINE THE FIVE MEMBERS OF THE LIBRARY BOARD GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF ESTABLISHING THE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THEIR ROLES ARE AND THE RESPONSIBILITY THE BOARD WILL NEED TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT WE DO NEED TO EXTEND THE MOA FOR AN ADDITIONAL YEAR OR WHETHER THE LIBRARY BOARD WILL BE UP AND RUNNING.

SO THAT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL WILL HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND.

UH, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I THINK THE CURRENT MOA HAS ANOTHER YEAR ON IT.

IT AUTOMATICALLY REDUCE UNLESS EITHER PARTY.

SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO CREATE, WE WOULD JUST BE EXERCISING THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

THAT'S IT.

AND THEN I WOULD ASSUME THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE BOARD OF TRUST, THE LIBRARY BOARD TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO US.

UM, THE, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

THE NEXT PRIORITY, UM, PRIORITY 13, THE COMPETITIVE PAY STRATEGY.

UM, KAYLA WAS BASICALLY DONE WITH THIS, HOWEVER, FINANCIAL THINGS CHANGE EVERY YEAR, SO SHE'S GOING THROUGH AND RE-VERIFYING WAGE RATES FOR OUR SURROUNDING LOCALITIES.

THERE WERE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THROUGH OCTOBER, UM, AND THEN ALSO DECEMBER.

SO THAT WILL BE UPDATED AND PRESENTED TO YOU ALL IN A WORK SESSION IN FEBRUARY OR MARCH FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

NAT, I GAVE A GREAT UPDATE, SO I DON'T THINK I NEED TO TOUCH ON THAT ANYMORE.

YOU'LL SEE THAT IN A COUPLE WEEKS.

AND THEN THE REST OF THE PROJECTS.

WELL AND, UM, PARKS AND RECREATION.

WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ROCKLIN.

UM, TIFFANY HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OF GETTING HER TEAM IN PLACE.

UM, THE NEW PROGRAM COORDINATOR HAS BEEN IMPLEMENTING SOME NEW PROGRAMS THAT WE'LL SEE COMING OUT.

UM, WE'RE GLAD TO SEE THEM KIND OF AMPLIFYING THAT AND MOVING FORWARD, LOOKING FORWARD TO, UM, THE SUMMER PROGRAM SERIES THAT THEY'RE IMPLEMENTING.

AND I THINK THAT IS BASICALLY IT.

THE OTHER, UM, GOALS WE REALLY HAVEN'T MADE A LOT OF MOVEMENT WITH NOTHING OF REAL SIGNIFICANCE.

ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT ON PRIORITY NUMBER 17.

ENHANCED COMMUNICATION PLAN FOR BOARD MEMBERS AND THE PUBLIC MM-HMM .

SO, UM, I HAVE BEEN TALKING WITH OTHER BOARD MEMBERS ABOUT HOW WE CAN, YOU KNOW, THAT WE NEED TO SOMEHOW IMPROVE OUR COMMUNICATIONS AMONG OURSELVES, AMONG THE PUBLIC, AMONG THE, YOU KNOW, UH, EXTERNAL OFFICES.

UM, AND I, AND, AND IT SEEMS IT'S A BEEN A REOCCURRING DISCUSSION WITH THE BOARD.

WE ALWAYS, WHEN SOMETHING A HICCUP COMES AND WE, OH WELL WE NEED A COMMUNICATION PLAN.

WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GONNA MAKE

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THIS WORK.

SO I WOULD, UM, RECOMMEND OR SUGGEST OR PROPOSE OR GET SUPPORT, WHATEVER, THAT WE GET SOME STAFF TO START WORKING ON THIS.

THIS IS A FISCAL YEAR 24 GOAL.

WE GOT FIVE MORE MONTHS LEFT IN THIS YEAR.

AND I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE UNREASONABLE THAT WE GET SOME TYPE OF A DRAFT POLICY OR SOMETHING THAT WE CAN REVIEW AND MAYBE APPROVED FOR NEXT YEAR.

I, I DON'T KNOW.

BUT YOU KNOW, FOR THE PAST, YOU KNOW, THE EVENTS THAT THIS HAPPENED IN THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO FOCUS ON THIS.

CAN YOU AND HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.

CLARIFY FOR ME WHAT COMMUNICATIONS YOU WANT.

IS IT BOARD COMMUNICATIONS, INTERNAL COMMUNICATIONS, OR ALL OF THEM? ALL OF THE ABOVE.

I MEAN, THE SCOPE HERE SAYS COMMUNICATION STRATEGY WAS INTENDED TO CREATE STRUCTURE, UH, A STRUCTURED NARRATIVE FROM THE, UH, COUNTY OF WARREN TO THE RESIDENTS OF THE COUNTY IN THE MOST TRANSPARENT MANNER.

THESE STRATEGIES WOULD INCLUDE MANNERS OF COMMUNICATING THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL TAXES, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.

UH, I'M SORRY TO DO BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, .

I LIKE IT.

, UH, IT SHARE BOARD PRIORITIES GATHERS THAT UNDERSTANDING COMMUNICATION POSSIBLE AND FACTS RATHER THAN OPINIONS.

UM, I WOULD LIKE TO INCREASE THAT SCOPE TO, IN, TO INCLUDE AMONG THE BOARD, AMONG THE COUNTY STAFF AND, UM, EXTERNAL OFFICES.

YOU KNOW, IT MAY BE A, A BIG ASK RIGHT NOW, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DO A PHASE APPROACH IN THIS POLICY.

YOU KNOW, MAYBE START AT THIS AT THE INITIAL SCOPE AND THEN FOLLOW ON FROM THAT.

BUT I REALLY DO THINK THAT WE AT LEAST SHOULD START, I AGREE.

IT JUST WORKING ON THIS, IT MAY BE, YOU KNOW, SOME TYPE OF A, UH, OF A PROCESS THAT WE COULD FOLLOW THAT INSTEAD OF SENDING OUT, UH, ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS SENDING OUT A MESSAGE SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, DO NOT REPLY ALL.

MAYBE YOU SEND IT TO A STAFF MEMBER AND THEY, THEY REFORMAT IT SO THAT IT'S NOT COMING FROM A, A BOARD MEMBER.

BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND MAYBE WE NEED, NEED TO TALK TO JASON ABOUT HOW THAT NEEDS TO BE WORDED.

SO THAT, UH, SO THAT IT'S, IT'S NOT CONSIDERED A MEETING, BUT YOU'RE GETTING THE INFORMATION OUT.

THE TROUBLE IS WE GET INTO POINTS WHERE WE REALLY WANT TO COMMUNICATE, BUT THEN WE, WE STUTTER AND TRIP AND, AND DON'T HAVE PROCESS AND WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, AND THEN IT'S, AND THEN WE HAVE GAPS.

AND THEN THE, THEN WE HAVE BOARDS SILENCE AND RIGHT.

A LOT OF NOISE GOING ON.

AND, AND, UH, THE, THE CHALLENGE IS WHEN IT IS ONE DIRECTION, IT'S NOT A MEETING.

WHEN IT GOES BACK AND FORTH, IT BECOMES A MEETING, ESPECIALLY INVOLVING THE BOARD.

SO THAT'S WHERE JASON WILL HAVE TO HELP US KIND OF NAVIGATE THROUGH HOW TO DO IT SO IT DOESN'T BECOME MEETINGS WELL.

WE ALSO HAD A, YOU KNOW, IT SAYS PROGRESS DRAFT A POSITION, UH, FOR A COMMUNICATION SPECIALIST.

WE ACTUALLY HAD A PROPOSAL THAT WAS SUBMITTED.

UM, WE COULD STILL ENTERTAIN THAT PROPOSAL FOR THE SECOND HALF OF THE FISCAL YEAR.

UM, YEAH.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S RIGHT.

UM, REMIND YOU, YOU HAVE SPENT ALL OF YOUR CONTINGENCY MONEY, SIR, GO ON.

MAYBE WE COULD JUST TAKE THE ONE FROM THE, UH, SCHOOL BOARD THAT THEY'RE GONNA GET.

HUH? .

THAT'S BETWEEN THE BOARD AND THE SCHOOL BOARD, SIR.

THOUGHT, THOUGHT I'D JUST THROW THAT OUT THERE.

SO, IS, IS THAT DOABLE? IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN START WORKING.

START AND GET BACK TO THE CHAIR.

AND THE CHAIR WILL SHARE WITH THE REST OF THE BOARD MEMBERS.

BUT ALL THE SECRETS, RIGHT.

I'M GONNA TELL YOU, BECAUSE I THINK THIS SHOULD BE THIS, THIS IS JUST NOT THE CHAIR.

THIS IS FOR, FOR ALL OF THE BOARD MEMBERS.

UM, AND WE NEED SOME PRICE COMPETITION ON THAT SIDE OF TOWN.

IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? I HAVE ONE OTHER THING.

UM, I, I JUST WANNA GO WAY OFF TOPIC, BUT SINCE WE'RE IN A PUBLIC MEETING, I CAN DO THIS AND I'M GONNA RELATE IT TO ONE OF OUR PARTNER AGENCIES, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, UH, TALKED ABOUT THE HEALTH STUDY, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THEY SAID THEY WOULD BE LOOKING AT IS FOOD ACCESS.

UM, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF, UH, MEDICAL ACCESS AND HEALTH OUTCOMES INCLUDES ACCESS TO FOOD.

UM, WE HAVE A GROCERY, GROCERY STORE SHORTAGE, YOU KNOW, ISSUE HERE IN THIS COUNTY.

NOT ENOUGH OPTIONS.

WE USED TO HAVE, UH, THE SHOP AND SAVE THAT WENT AWAY.

THAT LOCATION, UH, BIG LOTS IS GOING OUT OF BUSINESS.

AND THAT WILL BE AN AVAILABLE LOCATION AGAIN FOR A GROCERY STORE.

I'D LIKE TO SEE US DO SOMETHING TO INVITE A GROCERY COMPANY TO LOOK AT THAT SPOT.

UM, I, I THINK, UH, THE MARKET DEMAND IS THERE FOR ANOTHER GROCERY STORE.

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UM, AND THERE ARE SPECIFIC COMPANIES THAT ARE LOOKING TO EXPAND INTO THIS PART OF THE COUNTRY, INTO VIRGINIA AND THE CAROLINAS AND SO FORTH.

SO I'D LIKE TO INVITE STAFF TO INVESTIGATE THAT.

AND, UH, IF PEOPLE ARE ON BOARD WITH IT, UM, WE COULD EVEN PROPOSE TO THE TOWN AND THE NEXT TOWN COUNTY LIAISON MEETING, UH, TO SEE IF THEY'RE INTERESTED AND DO A JOINT RESOLUTION OR EVEN LIKE A JOINT INVITATION, UH, TO A COUPLE COMPANIES TO LOOK AT THAT SPOT.

WHAT IF WE PUT IT ON THE LIAISON AGENDA WITH THE TOWN, THE COUNTY AND TOWN LIAISON MEETING, AND HAVE THAT AS AN AGENDA ITEM FOR DISCUSSION? JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.

OH, I, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO ADVOCATE.

UM, I'VE HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS WITH MR. MURPHY WHO DEVELOPED THE TARGET AREA OUT THERE.

HE TOLD ME WE DIDN'T HAVE A REVENUE BASE, AND I BEGGED TO DIFFER WITH THAT.

WE HAVE PEOPLE HERE GOING TO GAINESVILLE TO GO TO WEGMANS AND THE DIFFERENT GROCERY STORES DOWN THERE.

SO, AND I, IT'S A NARROW VISION TO THINK IT'S JUST PEOPLE IN WARREN COUNTY THAT WOULD SHOP THERE, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT, I REMEMBER WHEN FOOD LION FIRST OPENED IN THAT SHOPPING CENTER OVER THERE, UM, I HAVE RELATIVES IN MARSHALL AND THEY CAME UP HERE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING THERE.

SO YOU CAN, WE'RE LIKE A HUB TO RAPID HANOCK AND PAGE COUNTY FAKI OR CLARK SHANNON DO ALL THESE COUNTIES.

EVEN WEST VIRGINIA'S NOT THAT FAR.

UM, IF WE GOT A NICE GROCERY STORE THAT NOBODY ELSE HAD, AND, UM, GOODNESS KNOWS, IT'S FRUSTRATING.

THE PRICES ARE ALL FRUSTRATING.

I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE BOARD, BUT WE DO HAVE HERE IN TOWN A BIT OF A MONOPOLY ON THAT.

AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ANYBODY ELSE, BUT WHEN I GO SHOPPING, I GO FOR LIKE A TWO WEEK SPAN.

I AM NOT GONNA SELF-CHECK OUT A WHOLE GROCERY.

AND THIS WALMART OUT HERE IS NOTORIOUS FOR BEING BACKED ALL THE WAY DOWN TO EVEN GET TO SELF-CHECKOUT.

SO I, I I THINK IT WOULD BE, UH, VERY WELCOME TO HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR A GROCERY STORE.

AND THAT WAS FOOD LINE WHERE BIG LOTS IS AT ONE POINT.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT WASN'T ONE ALREADY THERE.

AND I THINK THE DEMOGRAPHICS ARE, ARE BETTER THAN WE THINK.

LIKE WHEN THE NEXT CENSUS COMES OUT, WE'LL, WE'LL SEE.

THE POPULATION IS, IS UP AND, UH, THE INCOMES ARE A LITTLE BIT UP AND, UH, I THINK IT CAN BE JUSTIFIED.