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GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.UH, I'M BRINGING THIS MEETING ORDER, AND, UH, THE, UH, PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE OF THE UNITED STATES AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
AND, UH, THIS EVENING WE HAVE, UH, PASTOR BILL WARNOFF.
ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU FOLKS.
MY NAME IS, UH, BILL WARNOFF, AND I'M THE PASTOR AT ROCKLAND COMMUNITY CHURCH UP HERE IN ROCKLAND.
I'M ACTUALLY ACTUALLY A NATIVE AND STILL LIVE IN, UH, NORTHERN PART OF FREDERICK COUNTY NEAR WINCHESTER.
BUT IT'S A PLEASURE TO DRIVE HERE TONIGHT AND OPEN WITH PRAYER TONIGHT.
SO IF Y'ALL WOULD JOIN ME IN PRAYER.
WELL, HEAVENLY FATHER, WE GATHER BEFORE YOU TODAY WITH GRATEFUL HEARTS AS WE BEGIN THIS MEETING OF THE WARREN COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
WE THANK YOU FOR THE PRIVILEGE AND THE RESPONSIBILITY OF SERVING OUR COMMUNITY.
SO, LORD, WE PRAY THAT YOU WOULD GUIDE US WITH WISDOM, HUMILITY, AND UNDERSTANDING AS WE WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT WILL BENEFIT ALL THOSE THAT WE REPRESENT.
GRANT US CLARITY OF FAULT AND UNITY OF PURPOSE.
HELP US TO LISTEN WITH OPEN MINDS AND COMPASSIONATE HEARTS.
AND LORD, MAY OUR DISCUSSIONS BE MARKED WITH RESPECT AND OUR ACTIONS.
BE DRIVEN BY DESIRE TO PROMOTE THE COMMON GOOD LORD.
BLESS OUR COUNTY, BLESS ITS RESIDENTS, AND ALL THOSE WHO CONTRIBUTE TO ITS PROGRESS AND WELLBEING.
PROTECT THOSE WHO SERVE IN POSITIONS OF LEADERSHIP AND THOSE WHO WORK TIRELESSLY TO MEET THE NEEDS OF OTHERS.
SO, LORD, WE SEEK YOUR GUIDANCE AND YOUR STRENGTH IN ALL WE DO.
AND MAY OUR EFFORTS BRING OUT POSITIVE CHANGE AND REFLECT THE VALUES OF INTEGRITY, FAIRNESS, AND SERVICE, LORD, THAT YOU DESIRE FOR US TO BE IN YOUR HOLY NAME WE PRAY.
[C. Adoption of Agenda — Additions or Deletions ]
UH, UH, ANY ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS TO THE AGENDA? UH, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, I'D LIKE TO ADD UNDER NEW BUSINESS THE COMMUNITY POLICY AND MANAGEMENT TEAM.CPMT WOULD LIKE THE APPOINTMENT OF JOHN MARS, DSS DIRECTOR AS AN ALTERNATE ON THE CPMT TO JANELLE CLARKE, THE CSA COORDINATOR.
AND THAT WOULD BE, DOESN'T HAVE AN ITEM, IT'S JUST UNDER NEW BUSINESS, BUT SIR, THAT I THINK WE'D MAKE IT THAT BE I ITEM T? YES, MR. CHAIRMAN.
AND, UH, I WOULD AND EDA APPOINTMENT, SIR? YES.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, ADD A, UH, AN ITEM U OR UNIFORM FOR A, UH, FOUR YEAR APPOINTMENT, UH, FOR, UM, MR. MR. FOX TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS? IF NOT, UH, WE WILL GET, WE WILL GET STARTED WITH MR. UH, SO, SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK YOU SHOULD SOLICIT A MOTION TO ADOPT THE AGENDA WITH THOSE TWO.
SO DO I HAVE A MOTION TO, TO ADOPT THE AGENDA AS, UM, UH, AS AMENDED? SO MOVED.
[D. Chris Dillion - Brightspeed BEAD Proposal]
UH, UH, MR. CHRIS DILLON WITH UH, BRIGHT SPEED.HOW ARE YOU DOING? GOOD, GOOD, THANK YOU.
I'M DIRECTOR OF GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS FOR BRIGHT SPEED.
UH, WE'RE HIGH SPEED INTERNET COMPANY THAT ACQUIRED ASSETS FROM UH, CENTURY LUMEN BACK IN OCTOBER OF 2000.
UH, SHOULD I SHARE MY SCREEN FOR MY PRESENTATION OR IS THAT FAIR? NO, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOOD.
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OKAY.SO AGAIN, PRICE SPEED, WE THE ASSETS, UH, IN 20 STATES FROM CENTURY LAKE TO LUMEN.
UM, WE PUT IN ROUGHLY TWO AND A HALF BILLION DOLLARS PRIVATE EQUITY, AND WE'VE GOTTEN OVER 250 MILLION IN GRANTS.
NOW, AGAIN, WE ESTABLISHED IN OCTOBER OF 20 IN CHARLOTTE, PURELY BASED ON, UH, THE AIRPORT THERE, THAT FOR AMERICAN AIRLINES, WE ARE PLANNING TO HAVE ALONG THOSE ASSETS THAT WE PURCHASED 4 MILLION RESIDENCES BUSINESSES TO BRING FIBER TO THE, WE INSTALLING NOW NEXT SYMMETRICAL.
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THE WAY THAT WE UNDERSTAND IN WORKING WITH, UM, IS THAT WHAT IP PLATFORM, THEN THE STATE WOULD COME BACK IN PROBABLY ANOTHER ROUND AND SAY, OKAY, THESE ARE HIGH COST LOCATIONS THAT WOULDN'T BE CONTRACT AND, UM, IN A SUCCESSFUL APPLICATION.BECAUSE IMMEDIATELY WHAT YOU DO IS YOU RAISE YOUR COST ADDRESS.
SO STATE'S GONNA LOOK FOR YOU MORE BANG FOR THEIR BUCK.
SO WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSION WITH THE STATE IS TO COME BACK AND LOOK, DO EITHER ANOTHER ROUND OF FOR WORK PROVIDERS ON HOW TO GET FUNDING FOR THOSE PLACES.
SO THIS IS KIND OF A FIRST AT IT AND SEE, SEE WHAT THE DO FOR THE, ALL OF THE YELLOW DOTS THAT YOU SEE INDICATED HERE ARE LOCATIONS THAT THE STATE HAS INFORMED US ARE UNSERVED OR UNSERVED
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OR UNDERSERVED LOCATIONS.SO AGAIN, PROJECT FIBER AND WE BUILD OUT THAT NETWORK.
IT GONNA ALLOW OUT FOR RESIDE AND BUSINESSES IN THIS AREA TO, TO GROW THE NETWORK EVEN MORE.
THIS GETS US OUTTA THE PARK, IT GETS US MOVING.
AND THEN AS WE MORE GRANTS, OR I WOULD SAY NOT MORE GRANT, BUT A BETTER METHOD OF GETTING, UH, CONNECTIVITY TO ADDRESS.
UM, BECAUSE THE STATE IS GONNA HAVE TO INCENTIVIZE IP INTO SOME OF THOSE AREAS THAT ARE VERY, VERY HIGH COST.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'LL, I'LL JUST SAY THAT I, UM, I HAD A, A CALL TODAY WITH MR. DILLON, UM, AND RAISED JUST SOME CONCERNS THAT I'VE HAD IN MY, UH, AREA WITH CONSTITUENTS WHO HAVE ALREADY BEEN WORKING WITH BRIGHT SPEEDED.
WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, THE IMPORTANCE OF THE INSTALLATION AND DEPLOYMENT EXPERIENCE, UH, BEING WITH MARKED TRUCKS AND, AND UNIFORMED, UH, TECHNICIANS, UH, AND ALSO TALKED ABOUT, UH, PROTECTING PRIVATE ROADS FROM DAMAGE, UH, FROM THE DITCH WITCH AND THINGS OF THAT SORT.
UM, AND SO I APPRECIATE THAT CALL TODAY.
UH, YEAH, I HAVE JUST ONE QUESTION.
SO WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, UM, OUR BOARD IS TO ENDORSE YOU, YOUR COMPANY TO COME OUT TO INSTALL FIBER OUT IN OUR COUNTY, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.
MY NAME IS A LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR BEING APPLICATION.
SO THIS, EVEN IF WE DON'T ENDORSE THE, UH, OR APPROVE THE LETTER OF ENDORSEMENT, DOES IT MEAN YOU, YOU CANNOT CONTINUE IN WITH THE APPLICATION PROCESS FOR BEAD FUNDING? UH, NO.
IT GIVES YOU 10 POINTS OUTTA AN ENTIRE STORY METRIC THAT THEY HAVE.
SO IT JUST INCREASES THE POINTS THAT YOU HAVE.
THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT, UM, YOU COUNTIES CAN SUPPORT HOWEVER MANY ISPS THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD PREFER BECAUSE THAT, THAT POINT DIDN'T GET ADDED TO VERSUS YOU COMING WITH YOUR OWN MONEY, LIKE IN NEVADA WHERE YOU HAVE TO HAVE COUNTY TAX FUNDS FOR THAT.
THIS IS A LOCAL SUPPORT FOR THE APPLICATION.
[E. Richard Schollmann - All Points Broadband Letter of Support]
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HAS A QUESTION FOR YOU.GOING BACK TO YOUR MAP, THE PINK AREA ON THAT, UH, THAT'S THE SOUTHERN END OF WARREN COUNTY.
AND, UM, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, I'VE QUESTIONED YOU GUYS HARD ON THAT AREA
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EVER SINCE WE GOT INTO THIS, UM, THAT AREA.I'M HAVING A, I'M HAVING A REAL HARD TIME HEARING YOU.
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? I FEEL LIKE I'M SCREAMING IN THIS THING.
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW RICK? YES, I CAN.
SO THE, THE PINK AREA, THE SOUTHERN PART OF WARREN COUNTY ON YOUR MAP, ARE YOU STILL THERE? OKAY.
OH, THE PINK AREA ON YOUR MAP? YES.
I KNOW I'VE, I'VE DRILLED YOU GUYS ON THIS EVER SINCE WE GOT IN THIS PROJECT, BUT THAT AREA HAS NO SERVICE AT ALL.
UM, IS THAT GOING TO BE COVERED IN EITHER, I'M ASSUMING IT WAS ALWAYS IN THE VADI, WAS THAT STILL VADI OR IS THAT GONNA BE SWITCHED TO BEAD OR, YOU KNOW, THE MAP THAT BRIGHTS SPEED PUT UP SHOWS THAT AS THEY'RE NOT PUTTING ANY SERVICE THERE AT ALL WHEN THEY'RE, UM, LOOKING FOR BEAD MONEY, I WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S GONNA BE SERVED.
YEAH, SO THE, UM, I DON'T WANNA CALL OUT MY, MY BRIGHT SPEEDED FRIENDS, BUT WE'RE ACTUALLY PROHIBITED FROM, WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE SHOWING WHERE WE'RE PLANNING TO GO.
UH, UM, SO I THINK SOME FOLKS HAVE DONE THAT, BUT I, I DON'T THINK WE'RE ACTUALLY ALLOWED TO DO THAT.
BUT, BUT LEMME JUST SAY THIS, LEMME JUST SAY THIS, THAT WE ARE GOING TO GO, WE, WE ARE, WE AGREED TO GO ON OUR OWN AGREEMENT WITH YOU AND WITH THE COM AND WITH THE ORIGINAL COMMISSION, WE AGREED THAT WE WOULD SUBMIT APPLICATIONS IN EVERY AREA WHERE WE HAD LOCATIONS THAT GOT MOVED FROM DADDY TO B.
IT'S, IT'S A, UH, KINDA A, A, A ROUND THE LAW WAY OF SAYING YES, WE'RE GONNA BE, UH, IF, IF THOSE LOCATIONS, IF THAT CCTA HAD ANY LOCATIONS THAT GOT MOVED, WE ARE, WE'VE COMMITTED, WE ARE GOING TO ABSOLUTELY APPLY TO THOSE AREAS.
AND THEN WE'RE ALSO BE APPLYING FOR THE OTHER AREAS IN THE, AND, AND, UH, BECAUSE WE'VE GOTTA SERVE 95%, UH, WE HAVE TO AGREE UP FRONT TO SERVE 95% OF EVERY ZCTA THAT WE APPLIED FOR.
I, I JUST, LIKE I SAID, I'VE ADVOCATED AND ADVOCATED THAT THAT AREA AND WAS ALWAYS ASSURED THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE PROVIDED FIBER TO HOME.
AND I JUST HAVE GOT SEVERAL PEOPLE FROM SOUTH RIVER HERE TONIGHT, AND I, I JUST WANT THEM REASSURED ABOUT THAT.
DO, DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? EXCUSE ME, MR. CHAIRMAN IS THE APPLICATION BY ZIP CODE? YES.
SO THE APPLICATIONS WILL ALL GO IN BY, IN INDIVIDUAL ZIP CODE TABULATION AREAS AND THOSE WILL BE SCORED, UH, AND RATED BY, BY THE STATE INDIVIDUALLY.
NOW YOUR LETTER OF SUPPORT, UM, COVERS THE ENTIRE COUNTY, THOUGH IT ISN'T, IT ISN'T BY, UH, ZIP CODE TABULATION AREA.
SO YOU JUST SUBMIT ONE, IT COVERS ALL APPLICATIONS FOR THAT COMPANY, FOR THE, FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTY.
WOULD YOU SEND US A LIST OF THE ZIP CODES THAT YOU ARE APPLYING FOR IN WARREN COUNTY? IF I'M, IF WE'RE LEGALLY ALLOWED TO DO THAT BEFORE MARCH 1ST, I'LL DO THAT TOMORROW.
AND IF NOT, I'LL LET YOU KNOW WHAT THE PROHIBITION IS.
MY UNDERSTANDING HAS ALWAYS BEEN THAT, UM, BECAUSE OF THE COMPETITIVE NATURE OF BIDDING, WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE SHARING WITH THE PUBLIC OR WITH OTHERS SO THAT OTHER PROVIDERS KNOW WHERE WE'RE PLANNING TO GO.
AND THIS ALL TRYING TO KEEP EVERYBODY JUST ON THE STRAIGHT NARROW AS FAR AS THE APPLICATIONS GO.
UM, BUT, BUT LET ME SEE WHAT I CAN, LET ME SEE WHAT I CAN SHARE AND I WILL, ANYTHING THAT I CAN LEGALLY SHARE, I'LL BE ABSOLUTELY GLAD TO SHARE AND I'LL SHARE THAT TOMORROW.
ANYTHING ELSE? ALRIGHT, WELL THANK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
SO WE GOT A MINUTE EARLY, BUT, UH, WE'RE GONNA AHEAD AND ROLL INTO THE, WELL INTO THE, UH, INTO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
ACTUALLY, WE'RE RIGHT ON TIME.
[K. Public Hearing - Z2024-11-01 - Conditional Use - Warren County Planning Staff ]
THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING IS THE, UH, CONDITIONAL USE WARREN COUNTY PLANNING STAFF.[00:30:01]
ATTACHED YOU'LL FIND A DRAFT ORDINANCE PROPOSING A FEW CHANGES TO THE TERMINATION, EXPIRATION, EXTENSION, AND REAPPLICATION PROCEDURES FOR CONDITIONAL USES.CURRENTLY, EXPIRATION OF A CONDITIONAL USE IS LISTED AS A VALID REASON FOR WHICH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MAY TERMINATE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
UNDER THE CURRENT FORMAT PLANNING STAFF MUST ISSUE A NOTICE OF TERMINATION PROCEDURES LETTER VIA CERTIFIED MAIL WAIT 30 DAYS FOR A RESPONSE PLACE THE PROPOSED DETER TERMINATION REQUEST ON A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AGENDA AS NEW BUSINESS FOR DISCUSSION AND A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD.
AND THEN THE BOARD MUST HOLD AT LEAST ONE PUBLIC HEARING PRIOR TO RENDERING ITS DECISION.
PLANNING STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE EXPIRATION PROCEDURES FOR AN EX FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT BE ESTABLISHED UNDER A SEPARATE SUBSECTION WITH PROCEDURES FOR ADMINISTRATIVE EXPIRATION AND REQUESTING AN EXTENSION FROM THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
THIS WOULD ALLOW FOR THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR TO EXPIRE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IF THE USE HAS NOT BEEN ESTABLISHED WITHIN THREE CALENDAR YEARS, OR IF THE USE HAS BEEN ABANDONED FOR THREE CALENDAR YEARS WITHOUT HAVING TO PURSUE THE FULL TERMINATION PROCESS.
THE PROPOSED SUBSECTION WILL REQUIRE THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR TO SEND A CERTIFIED NOTICE OF IMPENDING CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT EXPIRATION TO THE PERMIT HOLDER AND GRANT THE PERMIT HOLDER 30 DAYS FROM RECEIPT OF THE NOTICE TO APPLY FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT EXTENSION.
THE PROCEDURES FOR REQUESTING AN EXTENSION FROM THE BOARD WILL REMAIN THE SAME.
HOWEVER, THE PROPOSED TAX AMENDMENT WOULD ADD A $100 APPLICATION FEE TO REQUEST THE EXTENSION.
UH, THE PROPOSED TAX AMENDMENT WILL ADD A REQUIREMENT TO THE TERMINATION PROCEDURES FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO HOLD AT LEAST ONE PUBLIC HEARING PRIOR TO MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
THIS CHANGE WAS REQUESTED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE PUBLIC AFTER HEARING A REQUEST FOR TERMINATION OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT EARLIER THIS YEAR.
THE DRAFT ORDINANCE ALSO PROPOSES A RESTRICTION ON REAPPLYING FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WITHIN ONE YEAR OF DENIAL BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
LOCALITY IS GRANTED THE EXPRESS POWER TO ESTABLISH SUCH AN ORDINANCE BY CODE OF VIRGINIA, SECTION 15.2 2310, WHICH STATES FOR APPLICATIONS FOR SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS OR CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS AND VARIANCES.
ANY LOCALITY MAY BY ORDINANCE THAT ANY MAY, ANY LOCALITY MAY PROVIDE BY ORDINANCE THAT SUBSTANTIALLY THE SAME APPLICATION WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED BY THE BOARD WITHIN A SPECIFIED PERIOD.
THE ONE YEAR DELAY IN REAPPLYING FOR A DENIED CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT HAS BEEN ADOPTED BY MANY, UH, JURISDICTIONS WITHIN THE COMMONWEALTH.
UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, HELD THEIR PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ITEM ON WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 11TH OF LAST YEAR.
AND THE MAIN POINT OF DISCUSSION DURING THAT PUBLIC HEARING WAS THE REAPPLICATION TIMEFRAME.
UH, WE HAD SOME BACK AND FORTH, UH, DISCUSSIONS OF A 90 DAY TIMEFRAME, UH, AND WE ALL AGREED TO MEET IN THE MIDDLE AT A SIX MONTH, UH, REAPPLICATION DELAY TIMEFRAME, AND IT WAS MOVED FORWARD, UH, TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION.
WITH THE CHANGE TO SIX MONTHS, UH, PLANNING STAFF HAS UPDATED THE DRAFT ORDINANCE PER THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION.
HOWEVER, PLANNING STAFF BELIEVES THE FULL ONE YEAR REAPPLICATION RESTRICTION ALLOWED BY THE CODE OF VIRGINIA IS MORE APPROPRIATE AND A BETTER DETERRENT AGAINST APPLICANT'S ATTEMPTING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE ABSENCE OF REAPPLICATION RESTRICTION.
IN RESEARCHING THE ZONING ORDINANCE OF SURROUNDING JURISDICTIONS PLANNING STAFF IDENTIFIED A ONE YEAR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
REAPPLICATION RESTRICTION HAS BEEN ADOPTED BY SHENANDOAH COUNTY.
RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL STAFF DID NOT FIND ANY NEARBY ORDINANCES THAT INCLUDED A SIX MONTH REAPPLICATION RESTRICTION.
UH, MOST JURISDICTIONS EITHER HAVE THE FULL ONE YEAR RESTRICTION OR NO RESTRICTION AT ALL.
UH, THE BOARD HELD A WORK SESSION TO DISCUSS THIS TEXT AMENDMENT ON TUESDAY, JANUARY 14TH OF THIS YEAR.
MUCH OF THE DISCUSSION CENTERED AROUND THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE PROCESS FOR EXPIRING, UH, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT STAFF FILING THE INEFFICIENCIES OF HANDLING THE EXPIRATION OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT UNDER THE CURRENT TERMINATION PROCESS, WHICH REQUIRES SEVERAL MONTHS AND AT LEAST ONE PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH NO ADDITIONAL FEE REQUIRED TO COVER THE COST OF RUNNING THE REQUIRED ADVERTISEMENTS FOR THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
THE PROPOSED TEXT AMENDMENT SEPARATES EXPIRATION PROCESS FROM THE TERMINATION PROCESS AND ESTABLISHES A NEW NOTIFICATION PROCESS THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR MUST FOLLOW PRIOR TO MOVING FORWARD WITH EXPIRING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
THERE WERE CONCERNS RAISED RELATED TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE NATURE OF THE PROPOSED EXPIRATION PROCESS AND THAT THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR COULD THEN EXPIRE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON AS PROPOSED IN THE ZONING TAX AMENDMENT.
THE ONLY REASONS THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR CAN EVER ACT ON THE EXPIRATION PROCESS ARE IF ONE, A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS APPROVED AND THEN THE APPROVED USE IS NOT ESTABLISHED WITHIN THREE YEARS OF THE DATE OF APPROVAL.
AND TWO, AN ESTABLISHED USE APPROVED UNDER A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT HAS BEEN ABANDONED FOR AT LEAST THREE YEARS.
THE TAX AMENDMENT ALSO REQUIRES THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR TO ISSUE A NOTICE VIA CERTIFIED MAIL TO THE PERMIT HOLDER HOLDER NOTIFYING THEM OF THE INTENT TO EXPIRE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND INFORMING THEM OF THE EXTENSION PROCESS.
THE PROPOSED EXPIRATION PROCESS ALSO REQUIRES THAT THE PERMIT HOLDER BE GIVEN 30 DAYS FROM RECEIPT OF THE NOTICE TO SUBMIT A REQUEST FOR AN EXTENSION FROM THE BOARD.
AND, UH, THROUGHOUT THE DISCUSSIONS AT THE WORK SESSION, THE PROPOSED EXPIRATION PROCESS WAS EXAMINED AS A SEPARATE PROCESS THAT STANDS ON ITS OWN.
BUT IN REALITY, THE PROPOSED NEW EXPIRATION PROCESS WORKS HAND IN HAND WITH THE EXISTING EXPERT OR EXTENSION
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PROCESS AT THE WORK SESSION.STAFF ATTEMPTED TO EMPHASIZE THAT WHETHER A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT HAS PASSED ITS EXPIRATION DATE IS AN EMPIRICAL YES OR NO ANSWER.
WHEREAS THE QUESTION OF WHETHER THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT SHOULD BE EXTENDED IS DISCRETIONARY.
THIS THOUGHT LED OR THIS THOUGHT PROCESS LED STAFF TO DRAFT THE PROPOSED EXPIRATION PROCESS AS ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS WHILE KEEPING THE EXTENSION PROCESS AS LEGISLATIVE.
SINCE THE DISCRETION TRULY ONLY LIES IN THE EXTENSION PROCESS.
AND IF THERE IS A SITUATION WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT SUBJECT TO EXPRESS EXPIRATION, WHERE THE BOARD DOES NOT WANT THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO BE EXPIRED, THAT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WOULD STILL NEED ITS EXPIRATION DATE EXTENDED THROUGH LEGISLATIVE EXTENSION PROCESS.
NOW, ALL THAT SAID THIS, THE TEXT AMENDMENT CAN BE FURTHER REVISED TO HAVE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS EXPIRE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS VIA A CONSENT ITEM, WHICH WOULD STILL ELIMINATE MOST OF THE INEFFICIENCIES IN THE PROCESS IDENTIFIED BY STAFF.
IF SUCH A REVISION IS DESIRED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, STAFF RECOMMENDS TABLING THIS ITEM TO THE NEXT MEETING AND WE CAN FACTOR IN THOSE CHANGES.
OTHER THAN THAT, THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED AND I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
DO ANY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE, UH, QUESTIONS? UM, MR. HENDERSON, HAS ANYBODY FROM THE, UH, UH, AUDIENCE SIGNED UP? UH, YES, SIR.
HENRY, UH, 1 7 5 HUG HENRY LANE FOR VIRGINIA.
I'M OUT IN THE FOURTH DISTRICT, ALSO SERVE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
GOT TO COUPLE THIS THING A LITTLE BIT.
OH, DURING PLANNING PROCESS, I WILL, THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF CONFUSION BETWEEN EXPIRATION AND TERMINATION.
I THINK FOR EXPIRATION, SHOULD GO THROUGH THE SAME RULES AS TERMINATION.
I THINK IT'S AN AWFUL LOT OF POWER FOR STAFF TO HAVE, UH, MAYBE NOT THIS STAFF, BUT, UH, HE WON'T BE HERE FOREVER.
SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD WANT SOMEBODY TO HAVE A FAIR DETERMINATION OF THAT.
SO GOING FORWARD, I DON'T THINK IT'S A, IT'S SO MUCH WORK AND EXPENSE TO GET ONE OF THESE THINGS.
AND THEN, UH, I'M AT THE AGE NOW WHERE THREE YEARS DOESN'T SEEM VERY LONG.
UH, THINGS KIND OF FLY BY, UH, FROM WHAT THEY USED TO.
AND I CAN REMEMBER FROM SITTING ON A PLANNING COMMISSION THAT WE HAD SOME SPECIFIC INSTITUTE.
I KNOW THIS IS GEARED MORE TOWARDS SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL 'CAUSE IT'S MOSTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW, BUT YOU GOTTA UNDERSTAND IT'S ALL C PS NOT JUST SHORT TERM RENTALS TOO.
UM, BUT I, I DO, I DO REMEMBER SOME APPLICATIONS THAT COME IN.
THESE PEOPLE WORKED AT THE PENTAGON, THEY WERE GONNA LIVE HERE, BUT OCCASIONALLY THEY'D HAVE TO GO BACK OVERSEAS FOR THE GOVERNMENT FOR A FEW YEARS, THEN THEY'D WANT A SHORT TERM RENTAL.
AND I COULD SEE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WERE BACK AND FORTH OVERSEAS AND YOU MISS THAT LETTER AND SOMETHING GOES WRONG AND IT'S TERMINATED AND THEN YOU THINK THAT YOU STILL HAVE THIS, OR MAYBE YOU WERE GONNA LEAVE THIS TO SOMEONE ELSE.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE'S GOT SHORT TERM RENTAL CLOSE TO THEIR HOUSE.
YOU KNOW, ANOTHER REASON THAT YOU MAYBE WANNA PUT THAT ON HOLD IS IF, UH, YOU HAD A FAMILY MEMBER THAT, UH, GOT TO A CERTAIN AGE, MAYBE THEY COULDN'T TAKE CARE OF THEIR STUFF.
SAY, HEY, I'M A I'M GONNA QUIT USING MY SHORT-TERM RENTAL AND I'M GONNA PUT MY MOM OR DAD OR GRANDPARENT OR SOMETHING HERE AND YOU'RE WAITING FOR THEM TO PASS OR TO GO TO SOME OTHER LEVEL OF CARE.
AND I HATE TO PUT A TIME LIMIT ON THAT FOR A YEAR OR THREE YEARS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO, OH, I REALLY THINK THAT PART OF IT SHOULD DEFINITELY GO THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS AS A TERMINATION PLAN.
COMMISSION GETS CRACKED DOWN IT, WE GET SOME PUBLIC HEARING, IT GETS IT OUT THERE MORE.
IF YOU ARE ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE, THAT MISSED THAT LETTER BECAUSE YOU'RE IN AFGHANISTAN OR ONE OF THESE FOREIGN COUNTRIES DOING SOME KIND OF PENTAGON WORK, HATE FOR YOU TO LOSE THAT.
UM, THE SIX MONTH EXTENSION THING WAS A COMPROMISE.
MOST PEOPLE ARE DOING NOTHING OR A YEAR IF IT'S FROM THE TIME THAT IT'S DENIED, IT TAKES THREE TO FOUR MONTHS TO GET ONE THROUGH.
YOU WOULD NEVER GET TWO THROUGH IN A YEAR.
UH, I THINK BASED ON ITS COST ALONE AT $1,500, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE SOMEBODY PUTTING AN APPLICATION IN EVERY MONTH.
UH, I COULD SEE NOT PUTTING ANOTHER APPLICATION IN WHILE ONE'S STILL IN PROCESS.
OH, 30, 60 DAYS, 90 DAYS IS WHAT I WAS THINKING.
UH, IT'S ONLY OCCURRED ONE TIME THAT IT BECAME INTO PLAY AND THE REASON WAS WE'RE MISSING SOMEBODY ON A PLANNING, MISSING SOMEBODY ON A BOARD.
IT WENT DOWN TWO TIMES ON A TWO TWO TIE VOTE.
THE GUY'S CIRCUMSTANCES CHANGED DRAMATICALLY IN THE NEXT 30 DAYS AND IT REALLY DIDN'T GET A FAIR SHAKE.
HE REALLY DIDN'T GET VOTED DOWN.
SO FOR HIM TO HAVE TO WAIT ANOTHER YEAR WOULD BE TOO LONG.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE? NO, SIR.
IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE, UH, AUDIENCE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE? PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
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LIKE TO SAY BEFORE WE GET TO A MOTION THAT, YOU KNOW, DURING THE WORK SESSION, I HAVE BROUGHT UP MY CONCERNS WITH THIS AND I JUST FEEL LIKE IF IT'S THE BOARD IS THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN GRANT A CUP, THEN I THINK THE BOARD SHOULD BE THE ONLY ONE TO BE ABLE TO TAKE A CUP AWAY.I AGREE THAT THERE'S A LOT OF VARIABLES, UM, THAT COULD BE OUT THERE FOR A LAPSE OF THREE YEARS.
AND I THINK THE PEOPLE NEED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME SPEAK AT THE PUBLIC HEARING AND, AND GIVE THEIR RATIONALE OF WHY THEY DIDN'T DO IT.
THEN ARBITRARILY JUST SAYING, WELL, YOU MISSED THE DEADLINE.
UM, SO THAT'S MY THOUGHTS ON THAT.
I JUST HAVE A QUESTION BEFORE WE, UH, GO TO THE MOTION.
SO WE HAVE THREE, FOUR OPTIONS.
SO THE FIRST ONE SAYS, MOTION TO APPROVE FOR SIX MONTH REAPPLICATION RESTRICTION.
THIS IS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR TO APPROVE A ONE YEAR RE REAPPLICATION RESTRICTION AS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING STAFF.
SO COULD I, COULD YOU EXPLAIN WHY THERE'S THAT DIFFERENCE? YEAH, CERTAINLY.
SO THIS TAX AMENDMENT IS ENTIRELY STAFF ORIENT OR STAFF GENERATED.
UM, MYSELF AND MR. WENDLING AND, UH, COUNTY ATTORNEY SAT DOWN AND KIND OF POINTED OUT, UH, DIFFERENT KIND OF INEFFICIENCIES IN THE PROCESS, HOW WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS AND THINGS THAT THE STATE CODE ALLOWS INCLUDING THIS REAPPLICATION TIMEFRAME.
UM, SO THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT, UH, WHEN WE DRAFTED THIS, WE, UH, DRAFTED IT AS THE FULL ALLOWANCE BY THE STATE CODE FOR A ONE YEAR DELAY IN REAPPLYING FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
IF YOU'RE APPLYING FOR THE SAME PROPERTY FOR THE SAME THING, UH, WITHIN ONE YEAR, YOU CAN'T DO THAT UNDER THAT.
UM, BUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION DISAGREED WITH THAT TIMEFRAME AND MOVED IT FORWARD WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOR A SIX MONTH REAPPLICATION DELAY.
UM, I'M NOT SURE, UH, MAYBE IF MR. HENRY COULD, IS HE PERMITTED TO COME BACK TO ASK QUE ANSWER A QUESTION? I'D LIKE TO KNOW YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON THE SEPARATION ISSUE, LIKE THE, THE, THE EXPIRATION VERSUS TERMINATION.
WAS THERE A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THIS PLANNING STUFF ON THAT MATTER? NOT DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE REALLY JUST FOCUSED ON THE REAPPLICATION.
UM, SOME OF THOSE, UH, ITEMS MAY HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED DURING THE WORK SESSION WHEN WE HAD MET IN, IN JANUARY.
SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MOVED THE, THE SIX MONTH PLANNING FORWARD OUT OF COMMISSION? CORRECT.
DID YOU WANT ME TO CUT OFF? UH, I THINK I GOT THE QUESTION ANSWERED.
SO, SO JUST TO CLARIFY, THE, THE QUESTION HERE IS IT'S STAFF VERSUS THE, UH, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WHO COULD, UH, WHO COULD INITIATE THIS EITHER TERMINATION OR, SO THE INITIATION AS CURRENTLY DRAFTED.
OBVIOUSLY IF YOU TABLE IT AND ASK FOR CHANGES, WE'LL CHANGE IT.
UM, BUT THE, AS PROPOSED MAKING THE BOARD THE FINAL EXPIRE, SO TO SPEAK, IT WOULD STILL BE INITIATED BY STAFF.
YOU KNOW, WE DON'T EXPECT YOU TO BE CUSTODIANS OF ALL OF OUR CS WITH ALL THE DATES MEMORIZED AND ALL THAT STUFF, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ON US.
UH, AND SO THE PROCESS WOULD STILL BE INITIALIZED BY STAFF.
IT WOULD JUST BE FINISHED BY YOU ALL.
SO CURRENTLY THAT'S THE POLICY THAT, UM, YOU FIND THE EXPIRATION, YOU BRING IT TO THE BOARD, AND THE BOARD MAKES THE DECISION.
SO WE WOULDN'T NEED TO CHANGE ANYTHING EXCEPT NO.
SO THAT, THAT IS WHAT WOULD BE PROPOSED IF WE JUST MAKE A LITTLE TWEAK TO MAKE YOU GUYS EXPIRE IT AT THE END.
UNDER THE CURRENT TAX AMENDMENT, THE CURRENT PROCESS IS THE FULL BLOWN TERMINATION PROCESS.
IT'S A LISTED REASON FOR WHICH YOU GUYS CAN EXPIRE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
UH, SO WE'D HAVE TO TAKE IT THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, DO THE PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE BOARD AND NOBODY COVERS THAT COST, UM, OF THE TAXPAYERS.
UH, AND SO THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ELIMINATE.
OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A TIME FACTOR IN THE PAST WE'VE JUST CLOSED FOLDERS WHEN PEOPLE SOLD THEIR PROPERTIES, WHICH IS NOT LEGALLY EXPIRING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
SO NEXT PERSON THAT COMES IN TO TRY TO DO THE SAME THING COULD TECHNICALLY DO SO.
SO WE COULD CHANGE THIS THEN THAT IT EX EXPIRATED EXPIRED.
UH, CS COULD JUST COME BEFORE THE BOARD AND THE BOARD WOULD MAKE THAT DETERMINATION WITHOUT GOING THROUGH.
AND IT WOULD ALSO, UH, ALLOW FOR THIS INITIAL PROCESS OF, OF, UH, UH, STAFF SENDING A LETTER, WHICH WOULD GIVE THEM TIME TO REQUEST AN EXTENSION.
UM, AND THAT WOULD GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK THEIR PIECE TO THE BOARD AS WELL.
THE, UM, 30 DAYS DOES MAKE ME A LITTLE BIT NERVOUS.
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UH, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO TRAVEL, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, MIGHT GET CAUGHT UP IN THAT OR HOSPITALIZATION, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.UM, ALSO CERTIFIED MAIL IS, IT'S GOOD, BUT IF YOU HAVE, I I THINK YOU SHOULD USE EVERY POSSIBLE CONTACT METHOD THAT YOU HAVE IF YOU HAVE THEIR EMAIL AND THEIR PHONE NUMBERS AS WELL.
MOST, UH, APPLICATIONS HAVE EMAILS ON 'EM, I'LL ALL OF THEM HAVE PHONE NUMBERS ON THEM.
UM, AS FAR AS THE TIMEFRAME GOES, THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE AN EASY FIX AS WELL IF YOU'RE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH LIKE A 60 DAY TIMEFRAME OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, BUT YEAH, I WOULD ACTUALLY WAIT TO MAKE SURE I GOT THE CERTIFIED CARD BACK TO START THAT 30 DAY TIMER.
SO IT'S FROM THE DAY THAT THEY RECEIVED THE LETTER, NOT FROM THE ENDED.
BUT WITH CERTIFIED, I THINK THE, THE MAILMAN OR WOMAN WILL TRY THREE TIMES, I THINK, AND THEN IT JUST ENDS UP AT THE POST OFFICE FOR YOU TO PICK UP.
AND IT WOULD END UP GETTING MAILED BACK TO ME.
UH, AT THAT POINT IF, UH, OBVIOUSLY THE, UH, PROPERTY'S IN WARREN COUNTY, SO I WOULD HAVE A SHERIFF'S DEPUTY, UH, POST A LETTER ON THEIR DOOR.
IF I CAN'T GET CERTIFIED MAIL THROUGH, EVEN AT THAT, IT'S NO GUARANTEE THAT THEY'LL EVER PICK IT OFF THE DOOR OR WHEREVER IT'S POSTED.
SO, BUT IF IT WENT TO A HEARING TO US TO RIGHT.
TO ENFORCE THE TERMINATION, WE COULD THEN ASK WERE YOU ABLE TO REACH THEM? RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, UM, I THINK MAYBE IF WE WENT TO 60 DAYS AND, AND HAD THE BOARD MAKE THE FINAL CALL, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MAKE THE FINAL CALL.
BOTH OF THOSE WOULD REQUIRE TABLING THIS.
AND I WILL MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TABLE THE PROPOSE AMENDMENT TO THE NEXT AVAILABLE REGULAR MEETING OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR STAFF TO INCORPORATE THE REVISIONS DISCUSSED DURING THE COURSE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, MR. HENDERSON.
THE, UM, THE SECOND ONE IS THE, UH,
[L. Public Hearing - Z2024-11-02 - Adult Business - Warren County Planning Staff ]
UH, PLANNING STAFF AND ADULT BUSINESS ATTACHED.YOU'LL FIND A DRAFT ORDINANCE TO AMEND CHAPTER 180 OF THE WARREN COUNTY CODE TO AMEND SUBSECTION 180 DASH EIGHT C TO ADD A DEFINITION FOR ADULT BUSINESS TO ENACT SUBSECTION 180 DASH 27 D 21 TO MAKE ADULT BUSINESSES PERMISSIBLE ONLY BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN THE COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT TO ENACT 180 DASH 28 D 23 TO MAKE ADULT BUSINESSES PERMISSIBLE ONLY BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN THE INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT.
AND TO AMEND SUBSECTION 180 DASH 63 C TO ADD SUPPLEMENTAL PROCEDURES FOR ADULT BUSINESSES.
AND ONE EIGHT SUBSECTION 180 DASH 60 3D TO ADD SUPPLEMENTAL STANDARDS FOR ADULT BUSINESSES.
UH, THIS TEXT AMENDMENT IS BEING REQUESTED BY PLANNING STAFF AT THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.
CURRENTLY, THE WARREN COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE DOES NOT HAVE ANY DEFINITION, PROCEDURES OR STANDARDS FOR ADULT BUSINESS THAT WOULD DIFFERENTIATE, DIFFERENTIATE SUCH A USE FROM OTHER LISTED USES PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN THE COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT, SUCH AS RETAIL STORES, CONVENIENCE STORES, AND INDOOR THEATERS.
THE PURPOSE OF THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS TO ADD A DEFINITION FOR ADULT BUSINESS, MAKE ADULT BUSINESSES PERMISSIBLE ONLY BY A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN THE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICTS, AND TO SET LEGAL CRITERIA FOR DENIAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR ADULT BUSINESS TO AVOID POTENTIAL LEGAL CHALLENGES UNDER THE FIRST AMENDMENT.
AT THIS TIME, PLANNING STAFF HAS NOT RECEIVED ANY APPLICATIONS FOR ADULT BUSINESSES, NOR ANY COMMUNICATIONS RELATED TO PROSPECTIVE ADULT BUSINESSES IN WARREN COUNTY.
TAX AMENDMENT IS PREEMPTIVE IN NATURE SO THAT THE COUNTY HAS PROCEDURES AND STANDARDS FOR ADULT BUSINESSES IN PLACE SHOULD AN APPLICATION TO ESTABLISH AN ADULT BUSINESS BE RECEIVED IN THE FUTURE.
UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARD THIS ITEM FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON DECEMBER 11TH, 2024, WAS MOVED FORWARD WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL, UH, AND THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED, UH, BETWEEN MYSELF AND THE ATTORNEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO HANDLE YOUR QUESTIONS.
DO I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY.
UH, DO I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE, UH, FROM THE AUDIENCE? IS ANYBODY SIGNED UP? UH, JOHN JENKINS, SIR.
JOHN JENKINS, SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT, UH, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE WARREN COUNTY ATTORNEY REQUESTED THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO AMEND CHAPTERS 180 OF THE WARREN COUNTY CODE.
THESE AMENDMENTS SEEK TO DEFINE ADULT BUSINESSES AND ENSURE CONDIT AND REQUIRE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
ADDITIONALLY, THE AMENDMENTS INTRODUCE RESTRICTIONS AND NEW LANGUAGE IN THE CODE TO ADDRESS POTENTIAL LEGAL CHALLENGES UNDER THE FIRST AMENDMENT.
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UH, THAT SELL DISCOUNT CIGARETTES OR SELLING TOBACCO, CIGAR CIGARS, VAPE SHOPS, VIRGINIA, A, B, C STORES AND STORES SELLING FARMS, ALL REQUIRED THAT AN INDIVIDUAL BE 21 YEARS OF AGE TO MAKE TO PURCHASE THOSE PRODUCTS.HOWEVER, NONE OF THOSE BUSINESSES ARE REQUIRED TO OBTAIN A CUP AND THERE IS NO, UH, THEY'RE NOT CONSIDERED ADULT BUSINESSES PER THIS NEW CODE.
RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS, AS, AS I UNDERSTAND THE WAY THIS WAS WRITTEN, CAN ALLOCATE UP TO 5% OF THEIR RETAIL SPACE FOR SEXUALLY EXPLICIT PRODUCTS.
WHILE THESE PRODUCTS ARE NOT HARMFUL TO SOCIETY, THEY DO RAISE MORAL CONCERNS AMONG RELIGIOUS GROUPS AND TO SOME MAY EVEN CONSIDER IT PORN PORNOGRAPHY.
BUT THERE ARE STILL NO RESTRICTIONS ON THESE OTHER RESIDENT OR COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENTS TO SELL A SMALL OR LIMITED AMOUNT OF THE SEXUALLY EXPLICIT PRODUCTS.
MY CONCERN IS THAT THE CODE INFR INFRINGES ON THE FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS, ALLOWING GOVERNMENT TO INTERFERE IN FREE COMMERCE INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS, AND ATTEMPT TO ESTABLISH SOCIAL CONTROL OVER BUSINESSES.
INDIVIDUALS HAVE THE FREEDOM TO CHOOSE WHAT THEY, WHERE THEY WANNA SHOP, WHAT THEY WANNA BUY.
IF THEY HAVE SOMETHING THAT OFFENDS THEM, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T NEED TO SHOP IN THAT STORE.
THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT THAT YOU HAVE TO GO IN AND LOOK AROUND.
MAKING DECISION OBJECTIVELY CAN BE DIFFICULT WITHOUT THE INFLUENCE OF AN INDIVIDUAL'S MORAL BACKGROUND AND UPBRINGING AFFECTING THE OUTCOME.
THE DECISION RECENTLY MADE BY THE BOARD CONCERNING THE LIBRARY HAS BEEN, UH, GREAT CONTROVERSY TO MANY OF THE WARREN COUNTY CITIZENS, MANY OF WHOM INSIST THAT THE DECISIONS WERE MADE ON RELIGIOUS BELIEFS AND MORAL VALUES OF THE COMMITTEE.
MY ONLY CONCERN IS I THINK THAT IT IMPOSES THE FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS OF AN INDIVIDUAL.
THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S MY STANCE ON THE WHOLE THING.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE? NO, SIR.
IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT, UH, WOULD, UH, LIKE, WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE? LAST CALL.
I WOULD, UH, LIKE TO ASK MR. HAM TO, WHEN I READ THIS AND TO CLARIFY FOR ME THAT WE ARE NOT RESTRICTING THEM ENTIRELY IN THE COUNTY.
WE'RE JUST SAYING THAT THEY WOULD BE, UH, CONSIDERED FOR CUP IN THE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL ZONES RES RATHER THAN A RESIDENTIAL AREA NEAR A SCHOOL, THAT TYPE OF THING.
RIGHT? IT, IT IS A RECOGNITION THAT THIS IS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF BUSINESS THAN A BOOKSTORE OR GAS STATION OR SOMETHING ELSE.
AND THIS IS SOMETHING WE RECOMMEND OUR CLIENTS ADOPT.
UM, I, I HEARD MR. JENKINS CONCERN ABOUT FIRST AMENDMENTS.
UM, THERE ARE SOME, UH, DIFFERENT RULES WITH REGARD TO THIS ONE.
FOR EXAMPLE, IT NEEDS TO BE DECIDED QUICKLY, UM, SO THAT NO FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS ARE, UH, TRAMPLED UPON.
AND, UM, IT'S CAREFULLY WRITTEN TO COMPLY WITH THE FIRST AMENDMENT, BUT IT'S IN RECOGNITION AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S ENTIRELY OPTIONAL OF THIS BOARD WANTS TO DO THIS OR NOT.
UH, WE RECOMMEND IT BECAUSE IF IF IT COMES ALONG, IT, IT, IT'S GONNA FEEL DIFFERENT THAN SOMETHING ELSE THAT WOULD OTHERWISE POTENTIALLY JUST BE ALLOWED BY WRIGHT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DO I HAVE A MOTION FINDING THAT THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE AMENDMENT IS APPROPRIATE FOR PUBLIC, THE PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, AND GENERAL WELFARE.
IN THIS GOOD ZONING PRACTICE, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT.
DO I HAVE A SECOND, SECOND ROLL CALL MRS. COOK?
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YOU WOULD'VE TO ASK ME.AYE MRS. COLORS THIS ONE? THIS ONE IS A TOUGH ONE.
UM, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT RESTRICTING THE AVAILABILITY WITHIN THE COUNTY, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO KEEP IT AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL AND, AND PUT IT WHERE IT WOULD, UM, NOT BE OFFENSIVE TO THOSE WITH IN NEXT TO A SCHOOL OR RESIDENTIAL.
UM, WHICH I DON'T THINK IS APPROPRIATE PLACES FOR IT, BUT I AGREE WITH MR. JENKINS.
I DON'T WANNA VIOLATE ANYBODY'S FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT.
UM, BUT I, I DON'T WANNA OFFEND THE OTHER PEOPLE BY PUTTING IT NEXT TO A SCHOOL OR A CHURCH OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO I FEEL LIKE THERE'S NO GOOD ANSWER HERE.
UM, BUT I WILL SAY I BELIEVE IN PEOPLE'S FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT? AND AS LONG AS WE KEEP IT AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL, THE CHURCHES, THE SCHOOLS, I'LL SAY, AYE.
[M. Public Hearing - CUP2024-12-01 — Short-Term Tourist Rental — Isaac Rushing ]
OKAY, THE NEXT IS, UH, SHORT TERM TOURIST TOURIST RENTAL FOR MR. ISAAC RUSHING.THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORTTERM TOURIST RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY.
HE AND HIS BROTHERS PURCHASED IN SEPTEMBER OF 2023.
THE OWNERS WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THEIR PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR SHORT-TERM LODGING FOR TOURIST TRAVELING NURSES AND INDIVIDUALS SEEKING A CHANGE OF SCENERY WHILE TELECOMMUTING.
THE PROPERTY WILL BE MANAGED BY THE OWNERS WHO WILL, WHO ALL PRIMARILY RESIDE WITHIN 15 MINUTES OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
UH, PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1 4 4 4 STOKES AIRPORT ROAD, UH, TAX MAP 18 PARCEL 8 82.
IT'S IN THE FORK MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT, RATHER LARGE PROPERTY 60 ACRES IN SIZE.
UH, THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT APPROVES A MAXIMUM OF SIX OCCUPANTS FOR THE THREE BEDROOM DWELLING.
UH, THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN, WHICH COMPLIES, UH, WITH THE SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS AND THE DWELLING MEETS THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT TO ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS WITH THE CLOSEST DWELLING, UH, ALMOST 400 FEET TO THE WEST.
UM, SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, DID HEAR THIS APPLICATION AND THEY MOVED IT FORWARD WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL, UH, WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
CONDITION NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.
NUMBER TWO, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED THE SYSTEM CAPACITY AS DETERMINED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT FOR WARREN COUNTY CODES.
SUBSECTION 180 DASH 56.4 B CERTIFICATE OF ZONING SHALL ONLY BE ISSUED WITH APPROVED HEALTH DEPARTMENT RECORDS.
NUMBER THREE, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE WELL WATER TESTED ANNUALLY FOR E COLINE AND COLIFORM BACTERIA, AND A COPY OF THE RESULTS SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING AND HEALTH DEPARTMENTS.
AND NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM SERVICED EVERY FIVE YEARS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, AND A COPY OF THE SERVICE INVOICE SHALL BE PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
UM, THE, THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED, ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US.
WOULD THE, UH, APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK? GOOD EVENING.
UM, I LIVE OFF OFF STRASBURG ROAD, THIS PROPERTY, UH, STOKES AIRPORT ROAD.
UM, I'M ONE OF THE OWNERS OF HUNTING HOPS ON MAIN STREET HERE.
SO WE'RE, UH, WE'RE PRETTY WELL ESTABLISHED IN THE COMMUNITY.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE FUTURE PLANS OF THIS PROPERTY IS TO START PROMOTING AGRITOURISM.
SO THAT'S A BIG PART OF, UH, WHY WE BOUGHT 60 ACRES, UH, WITH FARMLAND DECREASING, UH, AT SUCH A RAPID RAISE, UH, ACROSS THE UNITED STATES.
UH, WE FEEL LIKE WE SAVED THIS PIECE OF LAND.
UM, THE HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1861, SO IT'S ALSO A PIECE OF HISTORY THAT WE WERE ABLE TO, IT WAS WAY MORE WORK THAN WE THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE, BUT, UH, IT, IT'S ALMOST UP AND READY TO, TO ACTUALLY BE LIVED IN AGAIN.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M EARS.
UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THE 60 ACRES, A LOT OF THAT IS FOREST, AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF YOU'RE ANTICIPATING THIS BEING AN ATTRACTION FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO HUNT ON THE LAND? UM, NO.
UM, YOU KNOW, ME AND MY BROTHERS HAVE HUNTED IT A LITTLE BIT, BUT, UH, NO, NOT AT THIS POINT.
ANY OTHER
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UM, USE THIS FOR AGRITOURISM AS WELL AS SHORT-TERM RENTAL? EVENTUALLY, THIS IS JUST THE FIRST STEP.SO, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE SOME MORE C PS COMING OUT IN THE FUTURE, BUT, UH, YES.
SO, SO AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, UH, YOU KNOW, I I USED TO OWN A HOUSE THAT WAS BUILT IN, UH, 1838 AND I KNOW WHAT, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU'VE GOT YOUR HOUSES THAT, THAT WERE BUILT IN A, UM, UM, IN A CITY AREA THAT USUALLY HAD 10 FOOT CEILINGS.
BUT THEN THE ONES THAT WERE BUILT OUT IN A, IN A, UH, FARM AREA WERE TYPICALLY SEVEN TO, TO EIGHT FOOT CEILINGS.
WHAT, WHAT'S THIS ONE? UH, IT'S, IT'S RIGHT IN THAT SEVEN TO EIGHT.
UH, WE RAISED THE FLOOR UP FOR THE SECOND LEVEL.
UH, WE HAD TO BRING UP PRETTY MUCH EVERY DOORWAY.
UH, MY BROTHER'S SIX FOOT SIX AND HE WAS BANGING HIS HEAD ON THE DOOR.
SO
SO THE, UH, SO WITH, WITH THE, WITH THE SHORT TERM RENTAL, UH, ARE YOU CONCERNED THAT, THAT YOU MAY HAVE, YOU KNOW, ANY TYPE OF DAMAGE BECAUSE IT, IT IS A HISTORICAL, UH, STRUCTURE AND IS, ARE YOU CONCERNED THAT THERE MAY BE ANY TYPE OF DAMAGE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, OR, I THINK THAT'S ALWAYS A CONCERN.
BUT I THINK, UH, I THINK IT'LL BE ALL RIGHT.
DO I HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? DO I HAVE ANY, UH, ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE, UH, FROM THE AUDIENCE? UH, NO SIGNATURE SIR.
ALRIGHT, SO SECOND CALL, THIRD CALL PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
AND IF THERE'S NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, DO I HAVE A, UH, A MOTION? YES.
I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST OF ISAAC RUSHING FOR A SHORT TERM TERRORIST RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF.
[N. Public Hearing - CUP2024-12-03 — Short-Term Tourist Rental - Allan & Christine Sylvester ]
WE HAVE A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL FOR, UH, ALAN AND CHRISTINE SYLVESTER.UH, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL FOR THE LEGAL NON-CONFORMING COTTAGE LOCATED ON THE PROPERTY THEY PURCHASED IN 2020.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 49 20 STRASSBURG ROAD ON TAX MAP 10 AS PARCEL 99 AND CONTAINS 39.32 ACRES.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL AND IS LOCATED IN THE NORTH RIVER MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.
THE OWNERS WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE COTTAGE AVAILABLE FOR SHORT TERM LODGING WHILE RESIDING IN THE MAIN DWELLING ON THE PROPERTY.
THE APPLICANTS WILL SERVE AS THE LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGERS.
A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL AND AGRICULTURAL EVENTS CENTER WAS APPLIED FOR IN 2014 AND DENIED IN 2015 DUE TO CITIZEN CONCERNS.
UH, NO PREVIOUS CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS HAVE BEEN ISSUED FOR LAND USES IN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
THE MAIN DWELLING WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1842.
YOU ALL RECOGNIZE IT AS THE MINT HOUSE AND THERE ARE NO RECORDS OF ANY ACTIVE ZONING VIOLATIONS FOR THIS PROPERTY.
THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT APPROVING A MAXIMUM OF FOUR OCCUPANTS FOR THE TWO BEDROOM DWELLING.
THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN HAS BEEN PROVIDED AND REVIEWED BY PLANNING STAFF ALAN AND CHRISTINE SYLVESTER LIVE WITH.
UM, THE PROPERTY IS NOT LOCATED WITHIN AN HOA OR A POA AND THE DWELLING MEETS THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT TO ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS.
THE CLOSEST DWELLING BEING 649 FEET TO THE NORTH.
UM, THE SET, THE MAIN DWELLING AND THE SECOND DWELLING ARE APPROXIMATELY 64 FEET APART.
PLANNING STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS BE ADDED TO THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
SHOULD THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CHOOSE TO APPROVE THIS PERMIT.
NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.
THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED THE SYSTEM CAPACITY IS DETERMINED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT PER WARREN COUNTY CODE 180 DASH 56.4 B.
THE CERTIFICATE OF ZONING SHALL BE ISSUED WITH APPROVED HEALTH DEPARTMENT RECORDS.
NUMBER THREE, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE WELL WATER TESTED ANNUALLY FOR E COLI AND COLIFORM BACTERIA AND A COPY OF THOSE RESULTS SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO PLANNING STAFF IN THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
AND NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM SERVICED EVERY FIVE YEARS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND A COPY OF THE SERVICE INVOICE SHALL BE, UH, SUBMITTED TO STAFF IN THE PLANNING, UH, HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED AND I'M NOT SURE IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER THEM.
DO DO I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION.
SO THIS WAS PASSED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION,
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UM, BY A VOTE OF FOUR TO ONE.SO WHY WAS ONE, ONE MEMBER DID NOT WANNA APPROVE? SO ONE WAS OPPOSED TO IT, UH, WITH CONCERNS FOR IF AND WHEN WE MAKE, UH, YOU KNOW, PRESENT THE ORDINANCE FOR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.
UM, IF WE DID NOT WANT THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS TO BE USED AS SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL.
SO IF WE APPROVE THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL WITH, FOR THE COTTAGE ON THE PROPERTY, IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ORDINANCE FOR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, WOULD THEY BE ALLOWED TO HAVE THAT COTTAGE AS AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT THAT IS ABLE TO BE RENTED OUT AS A SHORT TERM TAURUS RENTAL? SO THAT WAS THE CONCERN FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER WHO, WHO VOTED AGAINST IT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THE PUBLIC HEARING IS, IS, UH, OPEN FOR THE, UH, THE AUDIENCE.
DO I HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK OR TO, TO, UH, ANYONE SIGNED UP? NO, SIR.
WOULD ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE, UH, LIKE TO SPEAK GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE? PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
SO DO I HAVE A MOTION? I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST OF ALAN AND CHRISTINE SYLVESTER FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RUN WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF.
[O. Public Hearing - CUP2024-12-04 — Church - Mountaintop the Church at Skyline ]
UH, UH, PUBLIC HEARING ON THE CUP FOR, UH, MOUNT MOUNTED TOM, THE CHURCH AT SKYLINE.THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A CHURCH.
THE PROPERTY IS IDENTIFIED AS TAX MAP 28 LOT 45 B ONE, LOCATED AT 7 6 5 5 STONEWALL JACKSON HIGHWAY IN THE SOUTH RIVER MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT IN HIS OWN AGRICULTURAL.
THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO CONSTRUCT A 10,500 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING AS AN ACCESSORY TO THE EXISTING CHURCH AND PRIVATE SCHOOL.
THE ADDITION WOULD PROVIDE OFFICE SPACE, A FELLOWSHIP HALL, YOUTH MINISTRY ACTIVITY SPACE, SUNDAY SCHOOL AND STORAGE SPACE.
A CONCEPT DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS SUBMITTED AS A SUPPLEMENT FOR THIS APPLICATION.
THERE IS CURRENTLY ONE ACTIVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT CUP 2021 DASH SIX DASH FIVE FOR THIS PROPERTY FOR USE AS A PRIVATE SCHOOL.
THE PRIVATE SCHOOL OPERATES MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, 8:00 AM TO 3:30 PM AND ALLOWS FOR 30 STUDENTS MAXIMUM.
THE CHURCH OPERATES SUNDAYS 8:00 AM TO 1:00 PM AND WEDNESDAY SIX 30 TO 8:00 PM THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY 200 TO 250 MEMBERS IN THE CONGREGATION.
THE CHURCH ISN'T, IS NON-CONFORMING AS IT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1992 AND AT THAT TIME DID NOT REQUIRE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
IT WAS PERMITTED BY WRIGHT IN THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT.
PRIOR TO THE ADOPTION OF THE CURRENT ORDINANCE ON AUGUST 19TH, 1992.
THERE IS CURRENTLY ONE ACTIVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
UM, THE PRIVATE SCHOOL HAS AN APPROVED OCCUPANCY FOR 33 PERSONS BY THE WARREN COUNTY FIRE MARSHAL.
THERE ARE NO SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS IN, IN THE WARREN COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE FOR A CHURCH.
RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS ARE BASED ON COMMENTS RECEIVED, UH, BY THE WARREN COUNTY BUILDING FIC OFFICIAL WARREN COUNTY FIRE AND RESCUE SERVICES AND STATE AGENCIES.
THE APPLICANT SHALL MEET COUNTY ZONING REQUIREMENTS FOR OFF STREET PARK PARKING AND OUTDOOR LIGHTING PLANNING.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS BE ADDED.
SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO APPROVE THIS PERMIT.
THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS, AND VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE AND ANY OTHER APPLICABLE LOCAL, STATE AND FEDERAL REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.
THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED THE SYSTEM CAPACITY IS DETERMINED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
THE APPLICANT SHALL SUBMIT A SITE PLAN SHOWING PARCEL BOUNDARIES, PROPOSED BUILDING FOOTPRINT, DIMENSIONS OF PROPOSED BUILDINGS, SETBACKS FROM BUILDINGS TO THE NEAREST PROPERTY BOUNDARIES, BOUNDARIES, INGRESS, EGRESS, INTERNAL ACCESS ROADS, OUTDOOR LIGHTING, PARKING, INCLUDING HANDICAP PARKING AND PUBLIC UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE EASEMENTS OR PRIVATE WELL SEPTIC AND DRAIN FIELD LOCATIONS TO THE COUNTY PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF BUILDING AND ZONING PERMITS.
THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE WELL WATER TESTED ANNUALLY AND A COPY OF THE RESULTS SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
THE APPLICANT SHALL MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF WARREN COUNTY CODE 180 DASH 15 FOR OFF STREET PARKING FOR A CHURCH AND CODE 180 DASH 49.2 FOR OUTDOOR LIGHTING, INCLUDING THE EXISTING LIGHTING.
A ZONING INSPECTION SHALL BE REQUIRED PRIOR TO FINAL INSPECTION AND A WAIVER TO THE REQUIRED PAVED PARKING SPACES SHALL BE GRANTED GIVEN THE EXISTING EXISTING PARKING LOT.
AT LEAST ONE HANDICAPPED PARKING SPOT SHALL BE HARD SURFACE AND STRIP WITHIN ONE YEAR PERMIT APPROVAL IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE WARREN COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US, UH, WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK?
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NOT UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.DO I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? I I'VE GOT A QUESTION.
THE, UH, IF IF IT WAS, IF IT WAS BY RIGHT BACK IN 1992, THEN WHY IS IT, WHY IS THERE A A AND THAT'S, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THIS OF WHY IS THERE A REQUEST FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NOW? YEAH, I THINK I'M GONNA DEFER THIS TO CHASE.
HE HAS A LITTLE BIT MORE KNOWLEDGE OF THAT.
SO IT COMES DOWN TO, UH, THE STATUS OF THE ORIGINAL USE AS, UH, LEGAL NON-CONFORMING.
YOU CAN THINK OF THAT AS KIND OF LIKE A GRANDFATHERED STATUS.
AND SO YOU'RE ONLY GRANDFATHERED TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU EXISTED WHEN THAT REQUIREMENT CAME INTO PLACE.
SO THE RE THEY'RE GRANDFATHERED TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUIREMENT THAT WENT IN PLACE IN 1992.
HOWEVER, THEY'RE NOW TRYING TO EXPAND THE FOOTPRINT OF THE CHURCH OPERATION INTO THIS AUXILIARY BUILDING.
AND SO IT TRIGGERS THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUIREMENT IN ORDER TO EXPAND THEY NEED TO MEET THE CURRENT CODE.
ALRIGHT, WELL IF THERE'S NO FURTHER, UH, QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD, IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP? NO, SIR.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK? YES MA'AM.
PLEASE COME UP AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND JUST THE, THE, THE DISTRICT THAT YOU LIVE IN.
MY, MY NAME'S REBECCA TYER AND I LIVE IN THE SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT.
AND MY PROPERTY, I HAVE 20 ACRES AND IT BORDERS WHERE THE CHURCH IS AND THERE'S A FENCE THERE.
AND MY ONLY CONCERN, AND I DID RECEIVE, UM, A LETTER, UH, TELLING ME ABOUT THE EXPANSION.
I REALLY DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS GOING TO BE SUCH A HUGE EXPANSION BECAUSE I NEGLECT TO READ EVERYTHING.
BUT, UM, THE ONE THING I WOULD ASK IS THERE WOULD BE NO DAMAGE TO MY FENCE, BUT I AM ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT LIGHT POLLUTION.
AND THEY, THEY, THE CHURCH NOW HAS A COUPLE OF LIGHTS OUT THAT ARE POLLUTING THE SKY.
BUT I WOULD REQUEST THAT IF WHEN THEY BUILT, PUT THE LIGHTS IN THAT THEY PUT A SHADE ON THEM SO IT DOESN'T GO UP INTO THE SKY.
'CAUSE WE MOVED THERE TO BE IN THE COUNTRY AND TO BE IN THE DARK AND THINKING ABOUT ALL THOSE LIGHTS THAT ARE GONNA BE INSTALLED IN THIS HUGE NEW FACILITY IS A LITTLE DISCONCERTING BECAUSE WE ENJOY SEEING THE SKY AND WE ENJOY SEEING THE, UM, NOT HAVING THE LIGHTS OF THE CITY INTERFERE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A REQUEST I CAN MAKE NOW THAT WHEN THEY INSTALL THE LIGHTS IN THE PARKING LOT, WHICH I KNOW THEY NEED TO HAVE, UH, DOWN REFLECTING SHADES PUT ON THOSE LIGHTS.
SO THANK YOU MR. LENS, CAN WE ADD A REQUIREMENT OF DARK SKY COMPLIANCE LIGHTING? IS THAT, SO, UH, MR. STATEMENT IF I MAY, UM, WE ADDED A CONDITION NUMBER FIVE, UH, FOR THE OUTDOOR LIGHTING, INCLUDING THE EXISTING LIGHTING.
SO THAT WOULD, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BRING THE EXISTING LIGHTING TO THE, TO MEET THOSE STANDARDS CURRENTLY WITH THE, UM, OUR CURRENT LIGHTING ORDINANCE.
UM, AND THEN WE WOULD DO A FINAL INSPECTION BEFORE WE ISSUED ANY TYPE OF CERTIFICATE OF ZONING.
SO IF THEY WEREN'T BROUGHT TO THE STANDARD, WE WOULD MAKE THEM OR REQUEST THAT THEY CHANGE THOSE OUT.
SO THAT IS CONDITION NUMBER FIVE CURRENTLY.
COULD YOU ALSO PUT IN THERE A CONDITION THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN THERE ARE NO CHURCH SERVICES OR ANYTHING GOING ON THERE, THEY TURN THOSE LIGHTS OFF? WE DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING IN PLACE, UH, FOR WHEN THE LIGHTS ARE ON OR, UM, OR HOW LONG THEY CAN REMAIN ON.
I'M NOT SURE IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT.
DO YOU GUYS HAVE TIMER SET ON ANY OF THE LIGHTS? DO YOU HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF DOING THAT? DO YOU WANT ME TO COME UP THERE? YES, PLEASE.
THE, THE REASON I'M ASKING THIS, UH, WHILE, WHILE THE, UH, GENTLEMAN'S COMING UP HERE IS, UM, AND I BROUGHT THIS UP TO DR.
DALEY A COUPLE OF TIMES, UH, THE, UH, A, A PREVIOUS PLACE THAT WE LIVED, UH, THERE WAS AN ALL NIGHT CAR WASH THAT MOVED IN BEHIND US AND THE LIGHTS WERE BLARING ALL NIGHT LONG AND IT WAS SO BRIGHT THAT YOU COULD SHUT THE SHADES AND YOU COULD STILL SEE THE LIGHT COMING AROUND IT.
AND SO I CAN, I CAN, I CAN, UH, UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR CONCERN IS.
I'M PASTOR THE CHURCH THERE SKYLINE.
UM, OF COURSE WE'RE GONNA FIT WITH ANY REQUIREMENTS THAT THE LAW REQUIRES US TO DO.
THAT'S WHAT SCRIPTURE TEACHES US.
UM, AS FAR AS LIGHT POLLUTION, I DON'T
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ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND THAT TERM.UM, I THINK LAST TIME AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WE HAD A LADY HERE, I DON'T THINK IT WAS THE, THE LADY THAT WAS HERE EARLIER, BUT UM, THAT SAID LIGHTS WAS COMING INTO HER HOUSE.
LOGISTICALLY THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE AS FAR AS TURNING THE LIGHTS OFF.
WE HAVE, UH, THERE'S SECURITY LIGHTS THAT WE KEEP ON ALL NIGHT, UH, JUST AS ANY BUSINESS WOULD.
AND SO WE WOULD ASK THAT WE WOULD NOT HAVE TO TURN THOSE LIGHTS OFF AT NIGHT, BUT JUST COMPLY WITH WHATEVER THE CODE CODE IS.
CAN, UH, CAN YOU MAKE THOSE PROVISIONS THERE THAT YOU KNOW THAT BASED ON SAFETY AND UH, UH, SAFETY CONCERNS? YOU KNOW, THE, UH, BUT, UH, I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR CONCERNS ARE WITH THE, WITH THE LIGHT POLLUTION.
AND LIGHT POLLUTION IS JUST, LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE, THE, YOU'VE GOT LIGHTS THAT, UH, THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT ARE COMING THROUGH THE WINDOWS EVEN WHEN YOU HAVE THE SHADE SHUT.
UM, SO THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT KIND OF DISTRACTS.
SO I MEAN, STAFF CAN CERTAINLY, UH, TRY TO COME UP WITH AN ADDITIONAL OR ADD TO CONDITION NUMBER FIVE.
UM, WOULD PROBABLY NEED A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO COME UP.
WELL, WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE, BUT I NEED TO KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHAT IS THE CODE.
SO, UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, CAN I ANSWER THAT QUESTION? YES.
SO THE, THE CURRENT CODE THAT IS PART OF THE CONDITION IS, UH, LOW PRESSURE, HIGH PRESSURE, SODIUM, MERCURY, VAPOR METAL INE, AND FLUORIDE OVER 50 WATTS, FULLY SHIELDED, INCANDESCENT OVER 160 WATTS, FULLY SHIELDED INCANDESCENT, 160 WATTS OR LESS, NONE FOSSIL FUEL, NONE ANY LIGHT SOURCE OF 50 WATTS OR LESS.
SO THERE, AND THEN THERE'S DEFINITIONS OF FULLY SHIELDED, UM, AN OUTDOOR LIGHTING FIXTURE THAT IS SHIELDED OR CONSTRUCTED SO THAT ALL LIGHT EMITTED IS PROJECTED BELOW A HORIZONTAL PLANE BASICALLY ADDRESSING DIRECTLY THE LIGHT POLLUTION ISSUE.
SO, UM, I THINK THAT SUPERVISOR BUTLER'S CONCERNS ARE SOMEWHAT ADDRESSED BY YOUR CODE 80 DASH 49.2, WHICH IS IN HERE.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO TABLE IT AND, AND READ FOR YOURSELF THIS CODE SECTION AND THINK ABOUT IT, YOU, YOU COULD OR YOU COULD MOVE FORWARD UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT'S ALREADY PART OF THIS, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA OF, OF FORCING THE PROPERTY OWNER TO TURN OFF ALL THEIR LIGHTS AT NIGHT, I, I DON'T THINK IS THE BEST IDEA.
UM, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE LIGHT POLLUTION ISSUE AND THAT IS WHAT THE WARREN COUNTY CODE ATTEMPTS TO ADDRESS.
IF THE WARREN COUNTY CODE ATTEMPTS TO ADDRESS THAT, THEN THE, UH, I'D BE SATISFIED WITH THAT.
AND I CAN UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT THE, UM, UM, UH, ABOUT THE, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, SAFETY AND SECURITY OF THE, OF THE, UH, UM, UH, THE CHURCH THERE.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS? UH, NONE FOR ME.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT, UM, MA MA'AM, IF YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME AND YOU KNOW, UH, KATHLEEN MANCINI AND I'M IN SHENANDOAH.
UM, LEAVING LIGHTS ON ALL NIGHT IS NOT ACTUALLY GOOD FOR SECURITY.
UM, I, I READ AN ARTICLE THAT WAS ACTUALLY WRITTEN BY, UM, THIEVES THAT WERE WORKING WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT AND IT LETS, IF THERE'S NOBODY THERE AT THAT LOCATION AT NIGHT, HAVING LIGHTS ON AT NIGHT WILL ACTUALLY LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT NOBODY'S THERE AT NIGHT.
THE BEST THING TO DO IS HAVE MOTION ACTIVATED LIGHTS.
NOW IT'S A VERY GOOD SOLUTION AND IT'S MORE OF A DETERRENT BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY PULLS UP TO THAT AREA AND THE LIGHTS GO ON, THEY'RE LIKE, OKAY, NOW EVERYONE KNOWS I'M HERE.
SO IT'S WAY MORE OF A DETERRENT.
IT'S BETTER FOR LIGHT POLLUTION.
THAT'S SOMETHING TO TO CONSIDER.
UM, IF I MAY, OUR, OUR CURRENT OUTDOOR LIGHTING STANDARDS, I'D JUST LIKE TO READ A COUPLE OF THESE.
UM, ALL OUTDOOR LIGHTING FIXTURES SHALL BE DESIGNED FULLY SHIELDED, AIMED LOCATED AND MAINTAINED TO SHIELD ADJACENT PROPERTIES AND TO NOT PRODUCE GLARE ONTO ADJACENT PROPERTIES OR ROAD RIGHTS OF WAY.
UM, AND OUTDOOR, ALL OUTDOOR LIGHTING FIXTURES, INCLUDING DISPLAY LIGHTING, SHALL BE TURNED OFF AFTER CLOSE OF BUSINESS UNLESS NEEDED FOR SAFETY OR SECURITY, IN WHICH CASE THE LIGHTING SHALL BE REDUCED TO THE MINIMUM LEVEL NECESSARY.
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CURRENTLY IN OUR ORDINANCE NOW, AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THIS.I'M NOT A RESIDENT HERE, BUT I GO TO CHURCH HERE.
I'M INVOLVED WITH THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS OF THE, OF THE CHURCH.
AND I JUST WANNA ADDRESS THE, THE LIGHTING ISSUE ARE, ARE MY, ARE ARE YOU LOCATED IN ONE OF THE SURROUNDING COUNTIES OR? YES, I'M FROM, UH, CHAND COUNTY.
UM, BUT, UH, UH, MY WIFE WORKS THERE AND SOMETIMES SHE DON'T GET OUT UNTIL LATE.
AND, UH, IF, IF THE LIGHTS ARE TURNED OFF WHEN THE, WHEN IT'S, WHEN IT, WHEN THE, WHEN THEY'RE, WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS, THEN IT BECOMES A SAFETY ISSUE FOR ANYONE THAT'S IN THE BUILDING AS FAR AS, UH, THE, UH, THE LIGHTING.
UM, THERE WILL BE ON CANOPIES, THERE WILL BE CANOPY AROUND THE LIGHT.
IT'S NOT A LIGHT THAT PROJECTS OUT INTO THE SKY THOUGH, THEY PROJECT DIRECTLY DOWN ON THE GROUND.
THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA BE NO MORE THAN 20 FEET OFF THE GROUND.
WHEN YOU GET UP TO A PASS, WHEN YOU GET A LIGHT POLE PAST 25 FEET, THAT'S WHEN YOU START GETTING INTO THE PROBLEM WITH THE, WITH PROJECTED LIGHTING.
UM, I'VE BEEN IN CONSTRUCTION ALL MY LIFE AND, UM, AND THE WAY IT'S SET UP AND THE WAY, AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THE PLANS, UM, THERE'S, THERE IS LIGHTING, BUT IT'S NOT AS MUCH AS YOU THINK IT IS.
AND SOME OF THE OTHER LOW LIGHTING IS FOR SECURITY AND ADDRESSING THE, THE LIGHTS IF THEY'RE ON CRIMINALS, COME.
WELL, I CAN TELL YOU WE HAD TO PUT SOME LIGHTS UP BECAUSE SOMEBODY CRAWLED UNDERNEATH THE BUS AND CUT THE CADILLAC CONVERTER OFF WHEN WE DIDN'T HAVE NO LIGHTS AND STOLE, YOU KNOW, STOLE A, A $1,500 CONVERTER AND WE ENDED UP HAVING TO SELL THE, THE BUS BECAUSE WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY TO FIX IT.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO, YOU KNOW, OUR, FOR OUR NEIGHBORS RESPECTING THE FENCE LINES, RESPECTING THE LIGHTING.
BUT WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, SECURITY AND MY WIFE'S SECURITY, UM, I'M SORRY, BUT I, I, I, I, YOU KNOW, I DISAGREE WITH TURNING LIGHTS OFF.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? SECOND CALL, THIRD CALL.
I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST OF MOUNTAINTOP THE CHURCH AT SKYLINE FOR A CHURCH WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF.
SECOND BEFORE WE VOTE, I'D LIKE TO ASK MR. HAM, UM, AND FORGIVE ME, PASTOR, BECAUSE I HAVE NOT BEEN IN ATTENDANCE TO CHURCH THERE IN QUITE A LONG TIME, BUT I HAVE GONE TO CHURCH THERE.
IS THERE ANY CONFLICT OF INTEREST WITH ME VOTING ON THIS? NO.
YOU'RE NOT AN EMPLOYEE IN RECEIVING MORE THAN $5,000 A YEAR FROM THIS CHURCH.
I, I KNOW THAT FOR A FACT, SO, NO.
AND IT, IT'S ALWAYS A, IT'S ALWAYS A SMALL COMMUNITY.
EVERYBODY KNOWS EVERYBODY AND WELL, I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE SO THERE WASN'T ANY, UM, ISSUE WITH IT.
UH, WE HAVE MOTION, UH, MRS. CO.
NEXT WE HAVE, UH, SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL.
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WE'RE, UH, UH, IS IT JILLIAN? IT'S JILLIAN, JILLIAN GREENFIELD AND RICHARD BUTCHER.THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2 0 9 LOU CHASE ROAD IDENTIFIED AS TAX MAP 23 A SECTION FOUR BLOCK 10 AS LOT SEVEN A.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL ONE AND IS LOCATED IN THE HAPPY CREEK MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.
UH, THE APPLICANTS WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE PROPERTY THEY PURCHASED IN AUGUST OF 2024 AVAILABLE FOR SHORT TERM LODGING FOR VISITORS SEEKING TO EXPERIENCE WARREN COUNTY RESIDING IN WINCHESTER.
THE APPLICANTS HAVE FOUR YEARS OF EXPERIENCE OPERATING THREE OTHER SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTALS IN WARREN COUNTY.
THEY PLAN ON MAN MANAGING THE PROPERTY THEMSELVES WITH ASSISTANCE FROM LOCAL PROFESSIONAL SERVICES FOR TRASH DISPOSAL CLEANING AND MAINTENANCE.
UH, NO PREVIOUS CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS HAVE BEEN ISSUED FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FOR LAND USES IS THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT APPROVING A MAXIMUM OF SIX OCCUPANTS
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FOR THE THREE BEDROOM DWELLING FOR A CONVENTIONAL SEPTIC.A REQUEST FOR COMMENTS WAS SUBMITTED TO SKYLAND COMMUNITY CORPORATION AND THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF SKYLAND COMMUNITY, UH, STATE THEY WOULD NOT ENDORSE THIS APPLICATION AT THIS TIME SINCE THE PLANNING COMMISSION PUBLIC HEARING PLANNING STAFF HAS RECEIVED A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 46 FEET TO THE WEST OF THE DWELLING.
UM, AND A COPY OF THAT LETTER HAS BEEN PROVIDED IN YOUR PACKET.
ALONG WITH OTHER CITIZEN COMMENTS, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A WAIVER TO THIS SUPPLEMENTARY SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATION AS THE DWELLING DOES NOT MEET THE 100 FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT FROM NEIGHBORING RESIDENCES.
THE NEIGHBORING RESIDENCE, 180 9 LU CHASE IS LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 46 FEET TO THE WEST OF THE DWELLING, BUT WE DO HAVE THAT LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM THAT NEIGHBOR AND THE OTHER ONE AT 2 33 LU CHASE ROAD IS LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 95 FEET TO THE EAST OF THE DWELLING.
UH, THE APPLICANTS HAVE SUBMITTED A LETTER TO THE PROPERTY OWNER, UM, PLANNING STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS BE ADDED TO THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS IN VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.
NUMBER TWO, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED THE SYSTEM CAPACITIES DETERMINED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE WELL WATER TESTED ANNUALLY FOR E COLI AND COLIFORM BACTERIA, AND A COPY OF THOSE RESULTS SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO PLANNING STAFF AND THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM SERVICE EVERY FIVE YEARS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, AND A COPY OF THE SERVICE INVOICE SHALL BE PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
AND LASTLY, A WAIVER TO THE REQUIRED SETBACK OF 100 FEET TO NEIGHBORING DWELLING SHALL BE GRANTED FOR THE EXISTING 40 FOOT, 46 FOOT SETBACK TO THE DWELLING WEST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND THE EXISTING 95 FOOT SETBACK TO THE DWELLING EAST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
THIS DID, UM, MOVE FORWARD WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AS AT THE TIME THEY DID NOT HAVE A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM THE CLOSEST NEIGHBOR.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED AND THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE THIS EVENING.
SO THE, UH, WOULD THE APPLICANT, UH, LIKE TO SPEAK? YES.
UH, I'M GILLIAN GREENFIELD FROM, UH, UH, 14 EAST PICCADILLY, WINCHESTER, VIRGINIA.
AND I HAVE A TENDENCY TO OVERCOMPLICATE THINGS THAT ARE, SHOULD BE STRAIGHTFORWARD.
UH, FIVE YEARS AGO WHEN I APPLIED FOR MY FIRST SHORT TERM RENTAL PERMIT, I FACED OPPOSITION FROM THE SHENANDOAH SHORES COMMUNITY.
BUT FIVE YEARS AND 2000 RESERVATIONS LATER, I HAVE MAINTAINED A SPOTLESS RECORD.
THERE HAVE BEEN NO CALLS FROM ANY OF MY NEIGHBORS IN SHENANDOAH SHORES, NO CALLS FROM ANY POLICE OR FIRE DEPARTMENTS.
I'VE EVEN VERIFIED WITH CHASE AND WALT MAB.
THE COUNTY HAS NEVER RECEIVED ANY COMPLAINTS EITHER FOR LUCE.
THE ONLY HESITATION THE COMMISSION HAD WAS A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK AND IT WAS SUGGESTED WE GET LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM MY TWO NEIGHBORS, MR. CORNELL AND MS. DEVEAUX FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING, MR. CORNELL, WHO IS 40 FEET AWAY FULLY SUPPORTS OUR PERMIT AND HIS LETTER OF SUPPORT IS IN YOUR PACKET TONIGHT.
HOWEVER, MS. DEVO, WHO WAS 95 FEET AWAY TOLD US DIRECTLY AT THE PLANNING MEETING, SHE WOULD NOT PROVIDE A LETTER BECAUSE IN HER OWN WORDS, WE WOULD BE COMPETITION.
MS. DEVO OWNS 2 59 LUD CHASE, WHICH IS THE FIRST AIRBNB EVER PERMITTED IN THE SKYLINE ESTATES.
AND IRONICALLY ALSO THE FIRST APPLICATION EVER APPROVED FOR A WAIVER OF THE A HUNDRED FOOT SIT BACK 'CAUSE SHE IS 40 FEET AWAY FROM HER CLOSEST DWELLING.
SO THE VERY SAME WAIVER MS. DEVEAUX OBTAINED FOR HER PERMIT, SHE'S ATTEMPTING TO HAVE WITHHELD FROM US IN HER OWN WORDS TO KEEP OUT THE COMPETITION.
SINCE THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, YOU'VE ONLY RECEIVED TWO LETTERS IN OPPOSITION TO OUR PERMIT.
MS. DEVOES, MS. LANGS, THEY SAY THEIR LACK OF SUPPORT IS A CONCERN ABOUT SEPTICS AND TRAFFIC.
HOWEVER, I'LL REMIND THE BOARD, SHORT-TERM RENTALS AVERAGE ONLY 50% OCCUPANCY VERSUS FULL-TIME LIVE-IN OCCUPANTS.
ALSO, THERE ARE LIMITS ON HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN LIVE IN THE AIRBNBS STAY IN AIRBNBS.
SO IN ADDRESSING THESE CONCERNS, VALID OR NOT, ACTUALLY A SHORT TERM RENTAL IS STILL THE BEST USE FOR THE PROPERTY.
IF LOW IMPACT IS WHAT A NEIGHBOR'S GOAL IS, ADDITIONAL REASONS TO APPROVE OUR APPLICATION ARE OUR PROPERTY MANAGEMENT SAFETY PLANS.
ZONING ALL COMPLY WITH WARREN COUNTY'S APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS.
AS OWNER MANAGERS, WE MEET THE 30 MILE DISTANCE REQUIREMENT.
WE HAVE A FIVE-YEAR HISTORY OF COMPLIANCE WITH WARREN COUNTY SHORT-TERM
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RENTAL CODES.WE HAVE A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM OUR CLOSEST NEIGHBOR, MR. CORNELL.
WE HAVE A TESTIMONIAL FROM OUR MA OUR NEIGHBOR IN SHENANDOAH SHORES, WHO HAS OUR THREE CURRENT AIRBNBS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO HIS HOUSE.
IN YOUR PACKET, YOU HAVE HIS LETTER IN FULL SUPPORT.
THERE'S NO GREATER TESTIMONIAL THAN THIS GENTLEMAN OF OUR AIRBNB MANAGEMENT.
WE ALSO HAVE A TESTIMONIAL FROM THE PREVIOUS DISTRICT SUPERVISOR ATTESTING TO OUR ABILITY TO KEEP PEACE WITH OUR NEIGHBORS.
WE HAVE MET AND EXCEEDED ALL THE APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS.
I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE BOARD APPROVE OUR APPLICATION, ALLOWING LOGIC TO PREVAIL OVER ONE NEIGHBOR'S SELF-INTEREST AND IN HER OWN WORDS, HER FEAR OF COMPETITION.
WE HAVE DEMONSTRATED OUR ABILITY TO OPERATE OUR SHORT-TERM RENTAL PEACEFULLY AND RESPONSIBLY.
AND YOUR APPROVAL OF OUR PERMIT WOULD REPRESENT FAIRNESS AND UPHOLD THE BELIEF THAT COMPETITION FOSTERS HIGHER STANDARDS, WHICH IN TURN BENEFIT EVERYONE.
THE BOARD HAS A HISTORY OF APPROVING AND DISAPPROVING THE A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK WAIVERS ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
OF THE 26 WAIVER REQUESTS, 80% HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
SOME HAVE ONLY BEEN 12 FEET FROM THEIR NEIGHBOR.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
WE HOPE YOU APPROVE OUR PERMIT.
DO I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UM, SOME CONCERNS WERE RAISED BY CONSTITUENTS ABOUT THE HILL THERE AND, AND VISIBILITY.
UM, I WENT OUT AND CHECKED IT OUT AND, UH, I DID SEE WHY THAT COULD BE A CONCERN.
UM, I'M ALSO FINDING OUT JUST NOW THAT THIS COMPETING AIRBNB IS ON THE SAME HILL ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CREST.
SO I'M WONDERING IF YOU'RE AWARE IF THAT'S EVER BEEN AN ISSUE, ACCIDENTS OR ANYTHING RELATED TO CARS COMING AND GOING FROM THAT AIRBNB? UM, TO OUR KNOWLEDGE, NO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, HOW, 1, 1, 1 MORE FOR, UH, FOR PLANNING DEPARTMENT, UM, HOW MANY OCCUPANTS ARE APPROVED OR WOULD BE APPROVED UNDER THIS? SO THIS ONE HAS, UM, APPROVAL FOR SIX.
UM, I THINK THE CONFUSION IS THAT IT'S, UM, ON THE PUBLIC RECORDS, IT'S LISTED AS A TWO BEDROOM, BUT THEY DO HAVE A HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT FOR, UM, SIX MAXIMUM WITH A THREE BEDROOM DWELLING.
I DID LOOK AT THE DRIVEWAY AS WELL AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT COULD HOLD TWO CARS.
SO I'D, I'D BE A LITTLE CONCERNED IF YOU HAD SIX CARS SHOW UP, BLOCKING THE ROAD, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT CAN BE DONE TO ADDRESS THAT? SO THIS, THEY SUBMITTED IN THEIR PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT IT IS LIMITED TO THREE VEHICLES IN THE DRIVEWAY.
UM, WE CAN HAVE THEM POSSIBLY CHANGE THAT TO TWO TO ADDRESS ANY OF THOSE CONCERNS.
YOU COULD PROBABLY FIT THREE COMP SUBCOMPACTS IN THERE, BUT YOU KNOW.
UM,
I COULD SEE LIKE, PROBABLY THAT SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE, BUT YOU GET ONE BAD RENTER AND THEY'RE PARKED HALFWAY BLOCKING THE ROAD, IT COULD ACTUALLY CAUSE A PROBLEM WITH THAT HILL.
UM, WE DO, IF I MAY, WE DO HAVE, UM, A PROCESS IN PLACE FOR COMPLAINTS.
THERE IS, IF YOU GO TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT'S WEB, UH, PORTION OF THE WEBSITE, THEY CAN, UM, ANYONE CAN SUBMIT A, A COMMENT.
UM, THEY CAN CALL ANYTIME IF THERE'S ANY ISSUES.
UM, THEY CAN CALL THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IF THERE ARE ANY ISSUES WITH CARS BEING IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, YOU KNOW, TOO MANY CARS BEING THERE, BEING LOUD.
THERE ARE PROCESSES IN PLACE THAT WE COULD ELIMINATE ANY DISRUPTION.
UM, I DO HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT THEN.
UM, ARE, ARE YOU, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WOULD COME UP PLEASE.
ARE YOU, UM, AMENABLE TO PUTTING UP PRETTY, UM, IDIOT PROOF MESSAGING ABOUT WHERE TO PARK AND WHERE NOT TO PARK? 100%.
OUR LISTINGS WOULD REQUIRE ALL OF OUR LISTINGS, SAY THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF CARS THAT ARE PERMITTED AT THE AIRBNBS.
AND THERE'S NO PARKING ON THE STREET.
THAT'S AN, A VIOLATION OF OUR GUEST BOOK AND OUR HOUSE RULES, WE'RE EXTREMELY STRICT ABOUT THAT BECAUSE WE'RE EXTREMELY STRICT ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE COMPLIANT WITH WHAT NEIGHBORHOODS WANT AND NOT, AND BEING GOOD NEIGHBORS.
PARKING HAS ALWAYS BEEN A PRIORITY OF OURS TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR FOR GUESTS.
BECAUSE WE, WE'VE HAD SOMEWHERE IT HAS BEEN A PROBLEM WITH BLOCKING THE ROADS AND IT, IT CAME BACK FOR A RECALL SORT OF AND GOT TABLED.
BUT THAT KIND OF THING I, I WOULD WANT TO AVOID.
WE'VE ALSO MADE SURE THAT, UM, OUR GUESTS HAVE ALL, I MEAN, OUR NEIGHBORS HAVE ALL OF OUR CONTACT INFORMATION, SO IF THERE'S THING THEY SAW THAT THEY WERE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH, THEY COULD NOTIFY
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US RIGHT AWAY.WE ALSO HAVE, UM, A SINGLE CAMERA AT ALL OF OUR AIRBNBS THAT ARE ON THE DRIVEWAY MM-HMM
SO WE CAN SEE EXACTLY HOW MANY CARS ARE THERE.
DOES SOMEONE CHECK THAT PERIODICALLY? THERE'S CHECK PERIODICALLY.
WE ALSO CAN MESSAGE THE GUEST, CALL THE GUEST, TEXT THE GUEST IMMEDIATELY AND FIX A PROBLEM IMMEDIATELY.
'CAUSE I THINK THAT THAT WOULD NEED TO HAPPEN.
UM, I'M, I'M EVEN THINKING, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS REASONABLE, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE ARE THOSE ROAD SIGNS FOR CAUTION, HIDDEN DRIVEWAY MM-HMM
I DO THINK THAT HILL IS, IS, UM, A LITTLE BIT RISKY AND PROBABLY THE NEIGHBORS KIND OF KNOW HOW TO HANDLE THAT HILL, BUT MM-HMM
PEOPLE WHO AREN'T FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE CAN COME OVER THAT PRETTY FAST AND, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE ALLOWED TO PUT A SIGN UP ON THE ROADWAY, WE'LL A HUNDRED PERCENT, UM, PAY FOR A SIGN TO GO ON THAT HILL THAT SAYS, UH, WHATEVER THE JARGON IS FOR, UH, LIKE HIDDEN DRIVEWAY.
IT'S, IT'S NOT A VDOT ROAD, IT'S SKYLAND.
UH, SO THEY, THEY MIGHT ALLOW IT.
UH, I WOULD, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO TALK TO 'EM ABOUT THAT.
IF THEY WANT US TO DO IT, WE'LL DO IT.
SO YOU HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP? UH, YES SIR.
FIRST UP, AND I'M GONNA GET THIS FIRST NAME WRONG, SO I'LL JUST SAY THE LAST NAME, WHICH IS DIAZ.
THAT WOULD BE MAUREEN DIAZ ON LOU CHASE ROAD.
I'M, I'M SORRY, BUT I'M, I'M SEETHING.
FIRST OF ALL, BEING ON THE BOARD AND BEING VERY ON VERY GOOD TERMS WITH ALL OF MY NEIGHBORS.
THERE IS NOT A SINGLE PERSON LIVING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WHO WANTS ANOTHER AIRBNB ON LOU CHASE ROAD.
THE DEVOES HAVE BEEN MISCHARACTERIZED.
MRS. DEVOE, BARBARA DOES NOT WANT THE AIRBNB ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF HER, NOT BECAUSE OF COMPETITION.
THEY HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM WITH RENTING THEIRS.
THEIR, THEIR LITTLE AIRBNB IS ON THEIR PROPERTY AND THEY MANAGE IT VERY, VERY WELL.
AND IT IS ALMOST ALWAYS BOOKED.
AND I CAN SAY THIS BECAUSE MY FAMILY HAS USED IT, AND WHEN I WANT MY FAMILY TO USE IT AGAIN, IT'S ALMOST ALWAYS BOOKED.
THE ISSUE IS THIS, AND THIS IS THE HEART OF IT.
THE BEST NEIGHBORS ARE NEIGHBORS.
WE ALREADY HAVE WHAT WE FEEL ARE TOO MANY SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
AND THERE ARE SEVERAL ON SHORT LITTLE LOU CHASE ROAD.
WE DON'T WANT VACATIONERS THAT COME AND GO THAT DON'T KNOW HOW TO DRIVE ON OUR ROADS THAT EXCEED THE SPEED LIMIT.
I I HAVE FULL CONFIDENCE THAT THE OWNERS WILL DO THEIR VERY BEST TO MANAGE THE PROPERTY.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
WHAT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IS, IN OUR OWN STATEMENTS FROM THE BOARD, WE ONLY WISH TO HAVE HOMEOWNER MANAGED SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
IN OTHER WORDS, PEOPLE LIVING THERE SUCH AS THE DEVOES, MY FAMILY AND ANOTHER FAMILY ON LOU CHASE ROAD ARE CONSIDERING SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN OUR HOMES.
IF WE DO THESE THINGS, WE WILL BE DIRECTLY THERE MANAGING, IF WE EVEN CHOOSE TO DO THAT.
MY OWN FAMILY'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO.
BUT AGAIN, WE WANT NEIGHBORS IN THOSE HOUSES, PEOPLE WHO BECOME PART OF OUR COMMUNITY.
THAT'S THE, YOU DRIVE UP TO SKYLAND ESTATES AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, NOT ALL THE PROPERTIES LOOK REAL NICE.
AND WE WISH SOME THINGS WERE DIFFERENT.
BUT THE THING THAT I PERSONALLY LIKE AND WE HAVE ONE OF THE NICER HOUSES UP THERE, WE ALL KNOW EACH OTHER AND WE ALL WATCH OUT FOR EACH OTHER.
WE, WE HAVE COFFEE IN THE MORNING TOGETHER.
WE WALK OUR DOGS TOGETHER, WE GO TO EACH OTHER'S HOUSES FOR DINNER.
AND WE DO HAVE QUITE A FEW CHILDREN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE JUST WANT TO KEEP IT A NEIGHBORHOOD, NOT A VACATION COMMUNITY.
THE DEVOES DO NOT WISH, NOT BECAUSE OF COMPETITION.
IS THERE ANYONE, UH, ANYONE ELSE SIGNED THAT? UH, YES SIR.
GOOD EVENING LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
UM, I'M GARY SMOLEN FROM HAPPY CREEK.
I'M THE PRESIDENT OF SKYLINE COMMUNITY CORPORATION.
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UH, OUR BOARD OF DIRECTORS DECLINE TO ENDORSE THIS APPLICATION BASED ON ROAD ISSUES, UM, AS MR. STAN MEYER, UH, ENUMERATED.IT'S A VERY NARROW ROAD, BASICALLY WHEN PEOPLE PASS EACH OTHER ON LU CHASE.
BOTH PARTIES ARE OFF ON THE RIGHT OF WAY.
THE ROAD IS MAYBE 10 FEET, 12 MAXIMUM IN PLACES AND PARTIES HAPPEN.
PARTIES HAVE HAPPENED ALL THE TIME UP THERE ON, YOU KNOW, WEEKEND RENTALS.
AND, UH, WE'VE HAD PROBLEMS WITH PEOPLE PARKING ON THE RIGHT OF WAYS.
UH, IT'S GOING TO OBSTRUCT TRAFFIC AND, UM, EMERGENCY VEHICLES.
UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION ALSO DENIED THIS APPLICATION BASED ON THE 47 FOOT OR 45 FOOT, UH, SEPARATION.
THE APPLICANT HAS TALKED ABOUT THEIR APPROVAL FROM, UH, MR. CORNWELL.
MR. CORNWELL JUST BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY ABOUT A MONTH AND A HALF AGO.
UM, IN SPEAKING TO HIM, HE WAS UNAWARE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING WITH SHORT-TERM RENTALS UP THERE.
UM, SO HE'S, HE IS NOT IN A GREAT POSITION TO, YOU KNOW, KNOW WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE BACKGROUND OF THAT IS.
UH, BUT THE OWNERS WERE AWARE OF THIS ORDINANCE WHEN THEY APPLIED AND THEY ASSUMED THAT THEY WOULD BE GRANTED A VARIANCE BASED ON THE FACT THAT THEY'VE MADE AN INVESTMENT IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND, BUT WE ALL HAVE, WE'VE ALL PUT OUR LIFE SAVINGS INTO OUR HOMES.
UM, I THINK THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU'VE ALL APPROVED SHOULD BE ENFORCED EQUALLY, YOU KNOW, FOR ALL, ALL PEOPLE, ALL APPLICANTS.
SO, BUT I, I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
HA, HAVE YOU SPOKEN ON, ON THIS? UH, THIS, I I CAN'T REMEMBER MY, SHE SPOKE A DIFFERENT, I SPOKE.
I'M IN THE SHENANDOAH DISTRICT.
UM, I HAD FOR SIX MONTHS I HAD AN AIRBNB 50 FEET FROM MY HOUSE IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
AND IT WAS HELL, I WAS HAVING MIGRAINES, I WAS HAVING ALL KINDS OF HEALTH ISSUES.
I HAVE LIVED IN THAT HOUSE FOR 18 YEARS AND THAT SIX MONTHS, IF THE COUNTY WASN'T ABLE TO SHUT IT DOWN, I WAS GONNA HAVE TO MOVE.
AND IF, WHEN I FOUND OUT INITIALLY THAT THERE WAS GONNA BE AN AIRBNB THERE, I THOUGHT TO MYSELF, OKAY, I'M NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT, BUT HOW BAD COULD IT BE? UM, IT WAS BAD.
IT WAS WAY WORSE THAN I THOUGHT FOR FOUR DAYS.
EVERY SINGLE WEEK FROM THURSDAY THROUGH SUNDAY, THERE WERE PEOPLE THERE ON THE DECK IN THE HOT TUB THAT WAS RIGHT OUTSIDE MY WINDOW PARTYING FROM MORNING, AFTERNOON, EVENING, DRUNK, SCREAMING.
THEY HAD NOTHING ELSE TO DO BUT PARTY.
THEY STAYED THERE AND THEY DRANK AND THEY PARTIED AND THEY SCREAMED.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF ALL AIRBNBS ARE LIKE THAT, BUT IT CERTAINLY WAS FOR MINE.
I HAVE FRIENDS THAT HAVE AIRBNBS NEXT TO THEM, BUT THEY HAVE A HUNDRED FEET WITH TREES, A HUNDRED FEET OF TREES BETWEEN THEM AND THEY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM.
BUT IF YOU HAVE 50 FEET OR 47 FEET AND NOTHING BETWEEN IT, IT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM.
AND THAT PERSON THAT MIGHT BE SAYING, OKAY, WELL I JUST MOVED HERE, I DON'T WANNA CREATE A PROBLEM.
WHEN HE REALIZES WHAT IT MIGHT BE LIKE FOR HIM, HE'S GONNA HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO SAY ABOUT IT.
SO UNLESS YOU'RE GONNA GIVE HIM SOME KIND OF A SAY, IF IT DOES BECOME A PROBLEM, I'M PART OF THE WC THREE A
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AND MY POSITION IS THAT YOU HAVE A 100 FOOT ORDINANCE FOR A REASON IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA BECAUSE PEOPLE WHO BUY IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA ASSUME THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE LIVING IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA AND THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO ASSUME THAT.AND YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE PROTECTING THEIR INVESTMENT, THEIR LIFE SAVINGS, THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE.
THAT'S WHAT YOU SHOULD BE DOING IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
AND I BELIEVE THAT THE BOARD SHOULD HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO DO A WAIVER FOR THAT A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK IF THERE IS A COMPELLING REASON.
AND JUST BECAUSE SOMEBODY BOUGHT A PROPERTY IS NOT A COMPELLING REASON BECAUSE ANYBODY CAN BUY THAT PROPERTY.
AND BASICALLY YOU'RE SAYING THAT ANYBODY THAT CAN AFFORD TO BUY ANY PROPERTY IN THIS COUNTY SHOULD GET TO, TO, SHOULD NOT HAVE TO HAVE THE RULES APPLY TO THEM.
AND I THINK YOU NEED A COMPELLING REASON AND THIS IS NOT ONE.
IS THERE ANYONE, ANYONE ELSE, UH, IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? YES MA'AM.
HELLO, MY NAME IS TIFFANY BRAUN AND I LIVE IN STEVEN CITY.
UM, I'M THE OWNER OF CLEAN AND SERENE.
WE STARTED OUT IN FRONT ROYAL.
I HAD, UM, I STARTED THE BUSINESS JUST MYSELF.
AND OVER THE YEARS WE HAVE GROWN AND NOW THAT I HAVE 14 EMPLOYEES, UM, DURING THAT TIME WE HAVE BEEN THE QUALITY CONTROL AND CLEANING COMPANY FOR, UH, GILLIAN AND ALL OF HER AIRBNB PROPERTIES.
UM, I'D LIKE TO ATTEST TO THEIR PROFESSIONALISM AND THEIR COMMITMENT IN MAINTAINING THEIR PROPERTIES TO THE HIGHEST STANDARDS FOR THEIR GUESTS AND NEIGHBORS.
UM, AS A BUSINESS OWNER OF A CLEANING COMPANY, ACCOUNTABILITY AND PERFECTIONIST PERFECTIONISM IS A MUST WITH MY TEAM.
UM, JILLIAN AND RICHARD MAKE IT EASY TO HOLD THE STANDARD.
THEY ARE CONSISTENTLY HANDS-ON AND IN DAILY COMMUNICATION WITH OUR TEAM.
UM, IF THERE'S ANY ISSUES, UM, ITEMS IN NEED OF REPAIR OR REPLACEMENT, UM, WE REPORT THOSE ISSUES AND EVEN CHECK TO SEE IF THE HOT TUBS AT CERTAIN PROPERTIES ARE IN NEED OF SERVICING.
UM, WE ARE LITERALLY IN COMMUNICATION WITH THEM EVERY MORNING, SCHEDULING THE DAY AHEAD.
UM, THEY ALSO DO THEIR OWN QUALITY CONTROL CHECKS EACH WEEK AND FOLLOW UP WITH US WITH RECOMMENDATIONS WITH WHEN NEEDED.
UM, I'M ALSO HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE WE AVERAGE 12 TO 15 SERVICE APPOINTMENTS PER WEEK THROUGHOUT ALL OF THEIR PROPERTIES.
THIS HAS HELPED SUPPORT AND GROW MY SMALL BUSINESS AND HAS BEEN A RELIABLE SOURCE OF EMPLOYMENT FOR MY TEAM OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS.
THEY ALSO DEMONSTRATE RESPECT FOR MY EMPLOYEES THROUGH FAIR WAGES, HOLIDAY BONUSES, AND SPONSOR TEAM BUILDING EVENTS SUCH AS CHRISTMAS PARTIES AND SUMMER, SUMMER TUBING PARTIES FOR THE TEAM.
BASED ON MY FIVE YEARS OF EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH THEM, I CAN CONFIDENTLY SAY THEY'RE EXEM EXEMPLARY PROPERTY OWNERS AND MY TEAM AND I ARE HOPEFUL TO ADD THIS PROPERTY TO OUR SERVICE ROUTE AND WHOLEHEARTEDLY RECOMMEND FULL ENDORSEMENT OF THEIR PERMIT.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? YES, SIR.
WINCHESTER, I JUST WANTED TO, UM, ADDRESS THIS 95 FOOT SETBACK ON THE ONE SIDE.
'CAUSE OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE APPROVAL OF THE 47 FOOT NEIGHBOR, UM, 40.
THE, THE 95 FEET IS FROM OUR SIDE PORCH.
OUR HOUSE IS, WHICH OUR SIDE PORCH IS 10 FOOT OFF THE HOUSE.
SO WE'RE ACTUALLY 105 FEET FROM HOUSE TO HOUSE.
BUT WITH OUR 10 FOOT PORCH, THAT GIVES US OUR 95.
SO IT'S THE SIDE PORCH IS THE DISCREPANCY HERE IN WHY WE'RE NOT A HUNDRED FEET.
UM, AND WE'RE TALKING FIVE FEET.
SO, UM, AND THEN, UM, TO ADDRESS THE ONE LADY'S CONCERNS, OF COURSE, ANY COMPLAINTS ALREADY GO STRAIGHT TO THE COUNTY AND THIS CUP CAN OBVIOUSLY BE REVOKED IF THIS WERE TO BE AN ISSUE LIKE OTHERS I'VE SEEN IN THE PAST.
UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO, UM, SAY THAT AND HOPE YOU'LL APPROVE THIS.
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IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? YES, SIR.JOHN JENKINS, SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT.
THE COMMENT'S ABOUT THE SETBACK THAT THE CODE SAYS IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A HUNDRED FEET, THAT IT SHOULD BE A HUNDRED FEET.
I KNOW THE COUNTY HAS BEEN MAKING EXCEPTIONS FOR THE DISTANCE FROM THE WELL TO OTHER SEPTIC FIELDS.
THE DISTANCE FROM A HOUSE OFF THE PROPERTY LINE.
UH, IF IT'S IN THE CODE, YOU SHOULD ABIDE BY THE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE SET FORTH IN THE CODE.
THEY WERE SET THERE FOR REASONS FOR, FOR, YOU DON'T WANT TO CONTAMINATE A A WELL BEING CLOSE TO A SEPTIC SYSTEM.
IF, IF YOU NEED TO BE 10 FEET OFF THE PROPERTY LINE, YOU NEED TO BE 10 FEET OFF THE PROPERTY LINE JUST BECAUSE THE OTHER HOUSE IS THIS FAR AWAY.
IT SAYS PROPERTY LINE NOT FROM THE EXISTING STRUCTURES.
I HAVE A HOUSE IN TOWN, THEY WANT ME 15 FEET OFF THE PROPERTY LINE.
YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH THAT 15 FEET YET.
SO THERE'S NO COMPROMISE THERE.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK GOING TWICE, THREE TIMES PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
DO I HAVE A, UH, DO I HAVE A MOTION? WELL BEFORE A MOTION? UH, I THINK THIS IS, THIS IS A TOUGH ONE.
UH, THE, THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT THAT, UM, ALL OF THESE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS ARE CONDITIONAL.
SO IF WE'RE DOING ANY OF THEM, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM IS CONDITIONAL.
SO I HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME HESITANCY ABOUT DENYING 'CAUSE OF SPECULATIONS ABOUT, UH, BAD SITUATIONS.
THEY CAN ALL BE REPORTED AND THE WHOLE THING CAN BE UNDONE.
UM, ON THE OTHER HAND, UM, I THINK THAT THE, THERE'S SOME LANGUAGE IN THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OR LETTER, UH, THAT DESCRIBES IT AS BEING OF BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE COMMUNITY HAS SOME, HAS SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT IT, I THINK.
UM, SO IT, I I, I'M WEIGHING THIS AND IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST HARD TO, TO TO SEE IT NOT, NOT BALANCED.
UH, THERE'S A, AN OWNER WITH A, A VERY, UH, A RECORD OF OF DOING WHAT, WHAT SHE SAYS.
UM, THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S SIGNIFICANT.
UM, THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT OR THOUGHTS ABOUT THIS? I MEAN IN TERMS OF, OF BEING ABLE TO, TO SEE IT AS A CONDITIONAL USE AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IF THINGS DON'T WORK OUT TO, TO YANK IT.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I THINK THAT IN MY VIEW, THE, THE CLOSEST NEIGHBORS ARE ALWAYS THE, THOSE WITH THE MOST, UH, CONCERN I'VE HEARD.
YOU KNOW, THAT, UH, HE DOESN'T, HE HE'S BRAND NEW AND, AND MAYBE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT HE WAS DOING.
UM, SO I, I'M NOT NOT SURE ABOUT THAT.
I, AND I DON'T KNOW, MY BIGGEST CONCERN WAS ABOUT THE, THE PARKING AND THE ROAD.
AND I, I THINK THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED.
UH, ALL THESE ARE, ARE, ARE TRICKY.
AND I, I DO THINK YOU HAVE A GOOD POINT ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE COMPLAINT PROCESS AND, AND THE FACT THAT IT IS CONDITIONAL.
UM, YES, I, I WENT UP YESTERDAY AS WELL.
UM, AND I'M, I'M SURPRISED THAT, THAT THERE WOULD BE, UH, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT WOULD SAY SIX 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S BIG ENOUGH FOR THREE BEDROOMS, BUT, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE APPEARANCES CAN, CAN FOOL YOU AT TIMES.
BUT I TOO SEE THE CONCERN ABOUT THE SITE VISION COMING DOWN OFF THAT LITTLE HILL.
AND, UM, AND THE PARKING COULD BE A LITTLE BIT, UM, I DO UNDERSTAND THEY'RE WILLING TO, TO CUT BACK ON ON THE AMOUNT OF VEHICLES.
UM, AND I WILL SAY, I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU'RE SO PASSIONATE.
I MEAN THAT VIEW UP THERE IS UNBELIEVABLE.
I'M NOT SURE I COULD SIT DOWN ON THAT PORCH AND LOOK AT IT.
I'M, I HAVE GREAT FEAR OF HEIGHTS, BUT STANDING FROM THE ROAD IT WAS BEAUTIFUL.
UM, SO IT IS, UM, NONE OF THESE ARE TOTALLY EASY AT ANY GIVEN POINT.
SO DO I HAVE, DO I HAVE A MOTION?
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I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DENY THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST OF GIL UH, GILLIAN GREENFIELD AND RICHARD BUTCHER DBA TO MEXICO LLC SLASH B ALLEN RICHARDS, LC.SECOND, SECOND RULE CALL MRS. COOK.
MR. STEINMEYER NAY MRS. COLORS? AYE.
OKAY, SO THE NEXT ONE IS THE, UH,
[Q. CUP2024-12-10 — Short-Term Tourist Rental — Jessica Young ]
SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL FOR JESSICA YOUNG.THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY PURCHASED IN OCTOBER OF 2024.
UH, LOCATED AT SIX RALEIGH RIDGE DRIVE IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 27 L SECTION ONE AS LOT 26 AND IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL AND LOCATED IN THE SOUTH RIVER MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR SHORT TERM LODGING FOR VISITORS SEEKING TO EXPERIENCE WARREN COUNTY WHILE CONTRIBUTING TO THE LOCAL ECONOMY.
THE PROPERTY OWNERS WILL MANAGE THE PROPERTY THEMSELVES OVERSEEING ALL ASPECTS OF THE RENTAL PROPERTY, INCLUDING MAINTENANCE, CLEANING IN THE BOOKING OF RENTAL REQUEST AND WILL HAVE A LOCAL CONTACT FOR RENTAL EMERGENCIES.
THE PROPERTY HAS NOT HAD ANY PREVIOUS CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS ISSUED.
UM, FOR THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT, THE DWELLING WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1981 AND THERE ARE NO RECORDS OF ANY ACTIVE ZONING VIOLATIONS FOR THE PROPERTY.
THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT APPROVING A MAXIMUM OF SIX OCCUPANTS FOR THE THREE BEDROOM DWELLING FOR A CONVENTIONAL SEPTIC SYSTEM.
COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED FROM THE RIVERBEND FARM PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST.
THE POA COMMENTS ARE AVAILABLE IN YOUR PACKET.
UM, THE DWELLING MEETS THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT OF A HUNDRED FEET TO ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS.
THE CLOSEST DWELLING IS 239 FEET TO THE EAST.
PLANNING STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS BE ADDED TO THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IF YOU CHOOSE TO APPROVE IT.
NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS IN VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.
NUMBER TWO, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED THE SYSTEM CAPACITY IS DETERMINED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, UH, PER WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION 180 DASH 56.4 B.
THE CERTIFICATE OF ZONING SHALL ONLY BE ISSUED WITH APPROVED HEALTH DEPARTMENT RECORDS.
THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE WELL WATER TESTED ANNUALLY FOR E COLINE COLIFORM BACTERIA AND A COPY OF THOSE RESULTS SHALL BE PROVIDED TO PLANNING STAFF AND THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
AND LASTLY, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM SERVICE EVERY FIVE YEARS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND A COPY OF THE SERVICE INVOICE SHALL BE PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
UH, THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.
ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE THIS EVENING.
UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US, AND THIS DID PASS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THE UH, PROPERTY OWNER AVAILABLE? WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK? THANKS.
UH, I AM JESSICA YOUNG AND WE'RE AT SIX RALEIGH RIDGE AND PRIMARY ADDRESS IS IN ARLINGTON.
PROPERTY IN QUESTION IS SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT ADDRESS SIX RALEIGH RIDGE DRIVE PRIMARY ADDRESS IN ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA.
SO FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, ENERGY, AND CONSIDERATION WITH ALL OF THESE APPLICATIONS AND ALL THE PLANNING ACROSS THE COUNTY.
WE BOUGHT THIS HOME BECAUSE WE LOVE THE NATURE AND BEAUTY OF WARREN COUNTY.
I'VE BEEN COMING HERE SINCE I WAS QUITE YOUNG.
AND THE SHENANDOAH VALLEY, WE INTEND TO SPEND SOME WEEKENDS HERE WITH OUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY.
OF COURSE FOR THE OTHER WEEKENDS, WE WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE THIS PROPERTY WITH OTHER FOLKS.
AS A SHORT TERM, SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL, WE ARE CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN CONTRIBUTE TO THE HIGH STANDARD FOR SHORT-TERM RENTAL OPERATION IN THIS COUNTY.
AND WE'VE SUCCESSFULLY DONE SO IN A NEIGHBORING COUNTY.
I'D LIKE TO PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT ABOUT OUR SITUATION WITH OUR PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION.
IN OCTOBER, BEFORE WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, WE SPOKE TO TWO MEMBERS OF THE UH, POA BOARD AND WE DID LEARN ABOUT THEIR AVERSION TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
WE RECEIVED THE COVENANTS WHICH DID NOT RESTRICT SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND WE LEARNED THAT THERE WERE ONGOING DISCUSSIONS RELATED TO THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL ACTIVITY GIVEN THAT THE COVENANTS AT THE TIME DID NOT RESTRICT SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND GIVEN ONGOING DELIBERATION AND WE CONSULTED WITH THE COUNTY PLANNING, WE CONCLUDED THAT IT WAS OKAY FOR US TO PROCEED WITH
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OUR APPLICATION.A FEW DAYS AFTER WE SUBMITTED OUR APPLICATION, THE COVENANTS CHANGED TO ALLOW RENTALS OVER 90 DAYS.
WE DID NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT ONGOING DELIBERATION, NOT ANYONE'S FAULT, BUT WE DID SEEK TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING BY CONNECTING WITH EACH PERSON FROM OUR COMMUNITY THROUGH VARIOUS MODALITIES SUCH AS A PHONE CALL, EMAILS, LETTERS, ZOOM MEETINGS, AND UH, WALKING AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO MEET OUR OUR NEIGHBORS.
UM, WE WANTED TO EXPLAIN OUR, OUR INTENT AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO OPERATE THE PROPERTY AND WE SHOULD SAY NOT EVERY SINGLE PERSON, BUT WE TRIED TO REACH EACH HOUSEHOLD THROUGH THOSE DIFFERENT MODALITIES.
UM, WE RECENTLY RECEIVED A LETTER STATING THAT THE, STATING THE POSSIBILITY OF LITIGATION IF WE DON'T CEASE AND DESIST OPERATING A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, WE HAVE NOT STARTED USING THE PROPERTY AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL AND WE ARE USING THE APPROPRIATE CHANNELS TO SEEK APPROVAL.
I THINK IT HAS BEEN A DIFFICULT SITUATION ON BOTH SIDES.
THE COMMUNITY, THE POA AND OUR NEW WE'RE THE NEW MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY.
UM, SO ALL THIS TO SAY THERE WERE SEVERAL OPPORTUNITIES IN THIS BACK AND FORTH FOR MISUNDERSTANDING AND MISCOMMUNICATION.
THERE HAVE BEEN EFFORTS FROM MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY TO BOTH WELCOME US AND TO DEFEND THE COMMUNITY TO KEEP IT LIKE IT IS.
THERE HAVE BEEN SOME PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATIONS CERTAINLY, BUT SEVERAL MEMBERS ARE QUITE ADAMANT ABOUT THE OUTCOME OF THIS PROPERTY.
IN ADDITION TO SPEAKING WITH MEMBERS OF THE POA, WE'VE BEEN LUCKY TO MEET SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE WARREN COUNTY COMMUNITY, INCLUDING RESTAURANT OWNERS, CONTRACTORS, SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS, LIKE THE KAYAKING BUSINESS DOWN THE ROAD AND TRAVEL CONCIERGE.
UM, AND WE AIM TO OPERATE THIS PROPERTY AT THE HIGHEST STANDARD WE DO.
WE HAVE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT WE MANAGE AND WE DO THIS WITH RIGOROUS MULTI-STEP VETTING OF THE GUESTS AND EXTREMELY STRICT HOUSE RULES.
OUR HOUSE RULES INCLUDE NORMAL ONES THROUGH AIRBNB, BUT WE ALSO INCLUDE THE WARREN COUNTY SPECIFIC RULES AND THE RULES SPECIFIC TO THIS PARTICULAR POA, INCLUDING THE 20 MILES PER HOUR SPEED LIMIT.
WE ALSO REQUIRE GUESTS TO DO MANY THINGS, INCLUDING A $500 SECURITY DEPOSIT.
MOST HOSTS WHO ARE GOOD HOSTS, CONSIDERED GOOD HOSTS DO NOT DO THIS.
SO WE GO ABOVE AND BEYOND TO ENSURE THAT UM, THE INCENTIVES ARE ALIGNED WITH THE GUESTS AND WITH THE COMMUNITY TO PRESERVE THE PROPERTY AND THE SURROUNDING AREA.
UM, AS KELLY MENTIONED, WE DO HAVE A SCR PROFESSIONAL LIVES 18 MINUTES AWAY.
HE'S AVAILABLE 24 7 FOR GUESTS AND ANY EMERGENCIES.
BUT BEFORE THAT HAPPENS, WE HAVE SEVERAL SYSTEMS IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE THAT BEFORE OUR NEIGHBORS HEAR OF ANY PROBLEMS WE ARE ALREADY RESPONDING TO THEM.
AND I'M HAPPY TO GO INTO DETAIL OF WHAT THAT INCLUDES.
UH, LIKE I MENTIONED, WE HAVE A SIMILAR PROPERTY IN ANOTHER COUNTY AND UM, WE'VE GENERATED $12,000 ANNUALLY IN TAX REVENUE AND DIRECTED TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ANNUALLY TO LOCAL BUSINESSES.
AND WE AIM TO BRING THE SAME TYPE OF BENEFIT TO WARREN COUNTY.
I'LL, I'LL END WITH, I GENUINELY DO WISH THAT OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR POA WAS DIFFERENT.
UM, WE ARE A RESPONSIBLE TEAM WHO TAKES CARE AND TO PROVIDE EXCELLENT ACCOMMODATION TO ALL OUR GUESTS AND STILL HOPE TO BRING FAMILIES VISITING INTO THE COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? UM, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, YOU SAID IN THE BEGINNING THAT YOU PURCHASED THIS BECAUSE YOU LIKE THE AREA, BUT IT SOUNDING MORE LIKE IT WAS A BUSINESS INVESTMENT SINCE YOU HAVE IN OTHER COUNTIES.
IS IT MORE OF A BUSINESS INVESTMENT THAN YOU'RE GONNA USE IT PERSONALLY? YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
I THINK BOTH OF THOSE CAN EXIST AT THE SAME TIME.
OUR ADVICE THAT WE'VE ALWAYS GOTTEN FROM OUR MENTORS IS ONLY INVEST IN PLACES THAT YOU WANT TO GO BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO TO DO MAINTENANCE, TO DO QA, YOU NEED TO LOVE IT FOR IT TO BE CONVEYED TO YOUR GUESTS.
SO IT'S A COMBINATION OF LOVING THE AREA OF BEING WITHIN AN HOUR OF OUR PRIMARY RESIDENCE SO WE CAN GET AWAY, WE CAN HIKE AND WE CAN SHARE THAT WITH MY MOM WHO TRYING TO GET MORE INTO HIKING AND MORE INTO WALKING.
I WANT TO SHOW HER THE BEAUTY OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND OF WARREN COUNTY.
UM, AND PART OF BEING ABLE TO DO THAT FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT IS HAVING IT AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL.
SO THE OTHER PROPERTY THAT WE MENTIONED EARLIER IS NOT OUR PROPERTY, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY OUR UNCLE'S PROPERTY.
IT'S HIS MOUNTAIN HOME AND WE ALSO GO TO IT FOR FUN THROUGHOUT THE YEAR AND THEN WHEN WE'RE NOT THERE WE RENT IT OUT AND THAT HELPS TO OFFSET
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THE MORTGAGE AND HELPS TO ALLOW US TO GO AND HAVE FUN THERE AND SHARE IT WITH LIKE-MINDED PEOPLE.WHERE'S THAT AT? IT'S IN NELSON COUNTY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? UH, YES SIR.
THANK YOU FOR GETTING MY NAME RIGHT,
UH, MY NAME IS WALTER RON, MY WIFE JUDY AND I LIVE AT 5 47 RALEIGH RIDGE IN FRONT ROYAL, A HOME IN THE SAME PROPERTY ASSOCIATION THAT CONTAINS THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY.
UH, LIKE SEVERAL OTHER MEMBERS OF OUR POAI WAS GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AT THE JANUARY 8TH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
MY CHIEF TAKEAWAY FROM THAT MEETING WAS MR. HENRY'S STATEMENT THAT THE COMMISSION CANNOT ENFORCE THE POE'S COVENANTS.
AND AS YOU KNOW OR UM, AS YOU'LL BE INFORMED, UH UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED THAT YOU APPROVE THE APPLICANT'S COPI ASSUME THE BOARD ALSO CANNOT AFFORD ENFORCE THE PO A'S COVENANTS.
BUT I'D LIKE TO LET YOU KNOW SOME FACTS THAT THE APPLICANT'S WRITTEN STATEMENT TO THE BOARD DOES NOT MENTION.
THE POA HAS 30 MEMBERS OTHER THAN THE APPLICANTS.
IN CONTRAST TO THE TWO ARLINGTON RESIDENT APPLICANTS, MANY OF THOSE MEMBERS HAVE LIVED IN THE POA IN WARREN COUNTY FOR DECADES.
MEMBERS PURCHASED AND IN MANY CASES BUILT THEIR HOMES RELYING ON THE PO A'S COVENANTS.
AND AS WAS CONFIRMED AT THE MOST RECENT ANNUAL MEETING, BELIEVED THAT THE POA DID NOT ALLOW WHAT THE APPLICANTS THEMSELVES DESCRIBE AS THE BUSINESS OF RENTING OUT A HOME IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
INCIDENTALLY, THEY HAVE A WEBSITE THAT ADVERTISES THERE ARE THREE OF THE PROPERTIES, NOT ONE THE MEMBERS RELIED ON THE BOARD, OUR BOARD THE PO A'S BOARD TO COMMUNICATE THAT FACT WHEN AND IF THE MEMBER OF THE MATTER AROSE, THE BOARD, SPECIFICALLY MYSELF AND MR. BRIAN JONES, WHO IS ALSO ATTENDING THIS EVENING AND OWNS THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY, DID JUST THAT IN A ZOOM MEETING THAT THE, WITH THE APPLICANT'S EIGHT DAYS BEFORE THEY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, WHEN WE ANSWERED NO TO THEIR FIRST QUESTION, WHICH WAS DOES A POA ALLOW SHORT-TERM RENTALS? IT'S A SIMPLE YES NO QUESTION AND IT'S HARD TO MISUNDERSTAND.
THEY MENTIONED MISUNDERSTANDING THE ANSWER TO A QUESTION WHEN THE ANSWER IS A SINGLE WORD.
OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT HAVING RECEIVED AN UNEQUIVOCAL NO FROM THE PO A'S BOARD, THE APPLICANTS CONSULTED WITH COLLEAGUES IN THE SHORT TERM RENTAL INDUSTRY AND TOOK OUR COVENANTS TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO SEE IF THEY COULD GET AROUND OUR NO.
AND THUS BECOME THE FIRST INSTANCE IN THE 45 YEAR HISTORY OF OUR POA WHERE A MEMBER TOLD ALL THE OTHER MEMBERS THAT THEY WILL NOT ABIDE BY THE COVENANTS.
AS A MEMBER OF OUR POAI WILL ASK OUR BOARD, I AM ON THE BOARD TO CONSIDER THE PO A'S OPTIONS.
UM, NOT MERELY BECAUSE OF THE SHORT TERM RENTAL ISSUE, BUT TO DETERMINE WHETHER OUR COVENANTS CONSTITUTE A COMMITMENT BY OUR RESIDENTS TO EACH OTHER OR WHETHER THEY ARE MEANINGLESS WORDS THAT A NON-RESIDENT BUSINESS CAN IGNORE AT WILL AS THEY USE THE PRIVATE ROAD OR 30 OTHER RESIDENTS MAINTAIN AND THE QUIET RURAL NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THEY CHERISH AS THEIR PROFIT SOURCE FOR THEIR BUSINESS.
THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO REST THE BOARD.
I'M IN THE SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT.
UH, AND AS MR. RAM MENTIONED, I AM THE ADJACENT PROPERTY TO SIX WALL RIDGE.
UM, WE PURCHASED OUR PROPERTY IN MAY OF LAST YEAR TO FIND A PLACE WHERE WE COULD ESCAPE THE CITY RETREAT, BUILD OUR DREAM HOME AND TO ENJOY THE PEACE AND QUIET OF WARREN COUNTY.
AND WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY AND WE RECEIVED THE RESALE CERTIFICATE FROM THE STATE THAT IS REQUIRED NOW BY BRIDGE STATE OF VIRGINIA.
AND IT DID IN THE BYLAWS ANSWER THOSE 26 QUESTIONS, I BELIEVE.
AND IT DOES SAY DUE SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE ALLOWED OR NOT.
AND THE RESPONSE WAS NO, EVEN BACK THEN.
SO WE HAD CAME UP WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE WERE NO SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
SO WE FIGURED THIS IS THE KIND OF COMMUNITY WE WANNA BE A PART OF.
SO I WAS, HE ALSO MENTIONED THAT I WAS ON THE ZOOM CALL WITH THE APPLICANTS EIGHT DAYS BEFORE THE CLOSING DATE.
AND WE DID EMPHATICALLY TELL THEM NO WE DO NOT ALLOW SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
AND THAT WE WERE IN THE PROCESS OF UPDATING THE BYLAWS AND THAT THE PREVIOUS OWNER THEY WERE PURCHASING FROM DID HAVE A VOTE, BUT HE CHOSE NOT TO SUBMIT ONE.
SO THE BYLAW CHANGE PASSED, WE NOW MADE A COMMIT, COMMIT OR FOUND A, UM, TRY TO FIND THE MIDDLE GROUND.
AND THAT'S WHY WE ALLOWED RENTALS OF 90 DAYS OR MORE, 91 DAYS
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OR MORE.THAT WAY PEOPLE HAVE A HARDSHIP OR IF THEY HAVE TO GET DEPLOYED FOR A YEAR AND HAVE TO FIND UH, COVERAGE FOR THEIR HOME, THEY CAN DO THAT.
BUT WHILE AT THE SAME TIME NOT ALLOWING THE BUSINESS OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
SO AFTER THAT CALL, WE HEARD NOTHING FROM THE APPLICANTS UNTIL APPROXIMATELY TWO WEEKS LATER WHEN WE RECEIVED THE SETTLEMENT SHEET AND THAT THE PROPERTY EVENT PURCHASED BY SIX RALEIGH RIDGE, LLC.
SO IT WAS PURCHASED BY AN LLC, NOT BY PARTICULAR PEOPLE.
SO TO ME THAT SHOWS THAT THEY'RE PURCHASING IT PRIMARILY FOR A BUSINESS.
WHEREAS IF IT WAS A PRIMARY RESIDENCE, I KNOW THAT THERE'S OTHER INSTANCES YOU CAN PUT LLCS FOR WHY YOU WOULD DO IT FOR PROTECTION PURPOSES OR A TRUST OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE, BUT THEY PUT IT INTO AN LLC, WHICH TO US SHOWS THAT IT IS AS A BUSINESS.
SO SINCE THEN WE'VE OBVIOUSLY HAD GONE BACK AND FORTH AND A MAJORITY OF THE COMMUNITY DOES NOT WANT THIS TO HAPPEN.
AND THAT'S WHY WE AGAIN FOUND THAT MIDDLE GROUND ALLOWED 91 DAYS OR MORE FOR RENTALS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME NOT ALLOWING SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
SO IT IS A NARROW PRIVATELY OWNED STREET TO GET BACK TO THE END OF THE PROPERTY.
WE ARE UP ON THIS RIDGE, I DUNNO IF YOU'RE NOT THERE, BUT IT IS A VERY NARROW ROAD.
IT'S A GORGEOUS FEET AT THE TOP AND THAT'S WHY WE PURCHASED IT
BUT MY CONCERN ALSO NOW IS THAT IT SEEMS TO BE THE A HUNDRED FOOT THING SEEMS TO BE THE ISSUE THAT A LOT OF THE APPLICANTS ARE DENIED FOR.
SO MY CONCERN IS NOW IT, DOES THAT DICTATE WHERE WE CAN BUILD OUR HOUSE? DO WE HAVE TO BE OVERNIGHT A HUNDRED FEET FROM THEM OR DO WE, WE STILL BUILD WHEREVER WE ARE.
'CAUSE OUR PROPERTY IS KIND OF ANGLED SLOPE ON BOTH SIDES AND WE ARE KIND OF SQUARED INTO WHERE WE CAN BUILD OUR HOME.
SO WE'RE HOPING TO BREAK GROUND THIS YEAR ON THIS HOME, BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING A SHORT-TERM RENTAL NEXT DOOR.
AND ALL OF THAT COMES ALONG WITH IT BECAUSE ONE OF THE OTHER ISSUES IS PARKING THAT YOU'VE MENTIONED BEFORE.
AND SINCE THEY HAVE PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY, THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL INSTANCES WHERE WE HAVE GONE TO OUR PROPERTY AND THEIR CONTRACT HAS BEEN PARKED IN THE CUL-DE-SAC.
THERE'S TWO HOUSES, THAT'S IT.
AND SO IF THEY CAN'T AFFORD IT DURING CONSTRUCTION AND FIXING UP THE HOUSE, HOW CAN WE DETERMINE THAT THEY'LL HAVE THAT ISSUE? WON'T HAVE THOSE ISSUES MOVING FORWARD.
SO I WOULD ASK YOU TO DENY THIS CUP AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.
UM, GAGE WILSON, SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT.
UH, I LIVE JUST ACROSS THE RIVER IN POCO BELLA.
UH, I AM THE CONTRACTOR THAT WAS HIRED FOR THIS PROJECT.
THE HOME WAS IN BASIC DERELICT CONDITION.
UM, THIS COUPLE HAS ESSENTIALLY SAVED THE PROPERTY.
UM, THEY'VE PUT A LOT OF SAVINGS INTO MAKING IT WHAT THEY WANT IT TO BE WITH FINISHES AND, UH, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE FOR A NICE AIRBNB OR A GUEST RETREAT FOR THEIR FAMILY AND FRIENDS.
YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS IS HOW WE MAKE OUR LIVING.
UM, WE'VE GOTTA STAY OUT THERE AND STAY BUSY.
YOU KNOW, WE DON'T TRY TO RUFFLE FEATHERS.
AND THE ONE GENTLEMAN WAS, THERE'S BEEN TIMES WE PARK IN THE CUL-DE-SAC 'CAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S NOT TWO HOUSES BACK THERE YET.
THERE'S, THERE'S JUST THE ONE AND SOME EMPTY LAND.
UM, AS FAR AS SETBACKS, I'M SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, I I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RESTRICTIONS ARE LIKE THAT IF THE GENTLEMAN WOULD BE FORCED TO STAY WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET OF, OF, UM, SIX RALEIGH RIDGE OR NOT.
BUT, UH, IT'S PRETTY NICE OPEN LOT HE'S GOT THERE.
AND, UH, AS FAR AS PARKING, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WHEN WE GOT TRUCKS AND DELIVERIES AND DIFFERENT THINGS HAPPENING, WE TAKE UP A LITTLE BIT OF THE CUL-DE-SAC AND THAT WOULDN'T BE THE CASE WHEN THE GUESTS ARE THERE AND WE, WE TRY TO STAY OUT OF THEIR WAY AS IT IS NOW.
UM, YEAH, I MEAN, JUST WORKING WITH, WITH, UM, JESS AND JOE, THEY'VE, THEY'VE BEEN GREAT TO WORK WITH.
I GOT NOTHING BUT, YOU KNOW, GREAT ENERGY FROM 'EM.
THEY'VE BEEN REALLY RESPONSIVE TO OUR NEEDS.
UH, THEY'VE BEEN INTERACTIVE WITH THE COUNTY ON SEEING WHAT CAN AND CAN'T BE DONE.
I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY'VE EXPRESSED TO ME IS GOOD INTENTIONS.
SO I'D HOPE THAT THE BOARD SEES THAT THEIR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT GETS APPROVED.
NEXT UP IS ANDREW HARTER AND YEAH, YEAH.
UH, MR. HARTER, I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE CAN ONLY ALLOW YOU THREE MINUTES.
I AM IN THE SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT.
UH, I AM THE PRESIDENT OF THE RIVER BEND PRO FARM PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION.
MY FAMILY AND I HAVE LIVED IN THE COMMUNITY NOW FOR FOUR YEARS.
UM, IT IS THE SAME POA THAT SIX RALEIGH RIDGE BELONGS TO.
UM, I'M HERE TODAY TO ASK YOU TO DENY THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
UM, FOR 45 YEARS, THE RIVERBEND FARM COMMUNITY HAS BEEN A PLACE WHERE MEMBERS COULD BUY A PIECE OF LAND, AS OTHERS HAVE MENTIONED, BUILD A HOME ON THAT LAND, RAISE THEIR FAMILIES, HOST THEIR GRANDCHILDREN, AND IN A COUPLE OF CASES IN OUR COMMUNITY, EVEN HOST THEIR GREAT-GRANDCHILDREN.
TO QUOTE THE COUNTY'S OWN STRATEGIC VISION, IT IS A PLACE WHERE
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PEOPLE CHOOSE TO LIVE, RAISE FAMILIES, GROW BUSINESSES, AND STAY A LIFETIME, UH, EMBODIMENT OF THAT VISION.UM, BRING UP A COUPLE OF POINTS.
THERE'S A PILE OF LETTERS IN SUPPORT OF THIS, UH, CUP.
NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM ARE FROM MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY.
OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY IS UNIFIED IN THE BAN OF SHORT TERM RENTALS.
BEING AWARE THAT IT DID PASS THROUGH THE LEGAL PROCESS RIGHT TO BE FILED WITH THE COUNTY.
UM, THAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR AND HAS BEEN IN PLACE NOW FOR SEVERAL MONTHS.
UH, AND AGAIN, EVERY SINGLE MEMBER OF OUR COMMUNITY IS AWARE OF THAT BAN AND ALL THE OTHER MEMBERS REFUSE TO SUBMIT ANY KIND OF SUPPORT FOR THIS APPLICATION FOR THAT REASON.
UH, THE OTHER REASON I'D LIKE YOU TO DENY THIS CUP, UM, OH, SORRY, TRYING TO CUT DOWN SINCE I DIDN'T GET MORE TIME, UM, IS JUST HONESTLY BECAUSE THE CUP DOES NOT FOLLOW THE CODE OR THE LAWS THAT, UM, YOU HAVE WRITTEN AND THAT THE COUNTY USES TO COVER THESE THINGS.
UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UM, PROPERTY MANAGEMENT, UM, FILE IN FRONT OF YOU, THEY STATE THAT THEY HAVE A FIRE PIT AND A BARBECUE GRILL OUTSIDE.
BOTH OF THOSE ARE BANNED PER COUNTY LAW FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS.
THEY STATE THAT, UM, AGAIN, THAT THEY WILL POST THE RULES OF THE COMMUNITY AND THEIR, UH, RULES FOR THE VISITORS.
AGAIN, ONE OF THOSE RULES IS THAT SHORT TERM RENTALS ARE BANNED.
SO HOW ARE THEY GONNA PUT THAT IN THEIR, UH, YOU KNOW, PACKAGE FOR VISITORS? UH, ANOTHER ONE IS THAT THEY, THAT MADE IT ALL THE WAY TO YOU FOLKS HERE TODAY WITHOUT A CONTACT WITHIN THE 30 MILES.
THE STAFF, YOUR STAFF, YOU KNOW, APPROVED THIS CUP, SENT IT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEY APPROVED THE CUP WITH NO CONTACT LISTED WITHIN 30 MILES FOR THAT.
THAT HAS BEEN FIXED FOR THE ONE THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU NOW, BUT WAS UNLAWFUL UP UNTIL THAT POINT.
UM, I GUESS THE FINAL ONE REALLY FROM THIS, UM, IS THAT ONE OF THESE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS IN CHAPTER 180 DASH 56.4 STATES THAT THE POA MUST BE MENTIONED IN THAT A IN THAT PLAN AND IT IS NOT.
WOULD ANYBODY ELSE, UH, FROM THE AUDIENCE LIKE TO SPEAK WEEK, SECOND CALL, THIRD CALL, THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING THAT'S NOW CLOSED? ANY DISCUSSION? UH, COULD I ASK THE APPLICANT A QUESTION? SURE.
WHERE IS YOUR PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PERSON LOCATED? OUR EMERGENCY SERVICES? UH, JOHN WRIGHT.
AND IN FRONT ROYAL WE HAVE HIS ADDRESS, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER THE ADDRESS RIGHT NOW.
BUT WHEN WE PUT IT INTO THE GPS, IT'S 18 MINUTES.
I, IT DOESN'T GIVE AN ADDRESS, IT JUST GIVES TELEPHONE NUMBER.
COULD WE SHOW YOU THE ADDRESS THAT WE HAVE? UH, IF YOU CAN JUST TELL ME.
YEAH, I THINK JOHN'S GOT HIS ADDRESS THERE.
COULD WE TAKE QUESTIONS WHILE HE LOOKS IT UP? THAT'S FINE.
DO YOU HAVE THE ADDRESS? WE DO NOT.
WE ONLY HAVE THE PHONE NUMBER AS WELL.
I'VE GOT, OH, I'VE GOT THE ADDRESS.
IT IS 7 3 5 SHENANDOAH SHORES ROAD FRONT, ROYAL, VIRGINIA.
NOW, THE, THE, IS THIS, SO THE, UH, HE'S ACTING AS A PROPERTY MANAGER FOR YOU? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND WHAT NOW? DOES HE DO THIS FOR OTHER PROPERTIES OR HE DOES, YES.
I KNOW SHELLY COOK IS ONE OF HIS, UM, CLIENTELE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DO I HAVE A MOTION? THANK YOU.
PROBABLY GOOD IDEA TO CLOSE THE HEARING.
MR. CHAIRMAN? UH, I, I ALREADY DID.
I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PREVENT REQUEST BY JESSICA YOUNG FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL
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WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF.SECOND, YOU CAN ASK FOR ANOTHER MOTION.
I WOULD MOVE TO DENY THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
THAT CLOSES OUR, UM, UM, THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND, UH, WE'LL GO AHEAD WITH THE, UM, THE CUP, THE PUBLIC
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COMMENT PERIOD.AND THAT'S FOR ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA.
'CAUSE WE HAVE, WE HAVE TWO PUBLIC COMMENT PERIODS NOW THE FIRST ONE IS FOR ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA.
AND THE SECOND ONE CLOSER TOWARDS THE END OF THE MEETING IS FOR ANYTHING THAT THE PUBLIC WANTS TO COMMENT ABOUT E EXACTLY.
AND THE, UM, SO SINCE WE DIDN'T GET TO THE, UH, TO THE INITIAL ONE, AND I'LL GO OVER THESE, THE, THE INITIAL ONE, UH, I'M GOING TO READ THESE TO YOU AND WE'LL BREAK IT INTO THE, INTO THE TWO, UM, UH, TWO COMMENT PERIODS.
UM, PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD SHALL BE LIMITED TO 60 MINUTES DIVIDED INTO TWO 30 MINUTE SEGMENTS.
THE FIRST 30 MINUTE PERIOD IS LIMITED TO COMMENTS PER PERTAINING TO ITEMS WHICH ARE ON THE MEETING AGENDA, BUT NOT ADDRESSED IN PUBLIC HEARINGS.
THE SECOND 30 MINUTE PERIOD IS FOR ANY GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS OR IS FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS.
AS A REMINDER, THERE'S A MAXIMUM OF THREE MINUTES FOR ANY ONE SPEAKER.
SPEAKERS MAY ONLY SPEAK ONCE, UH, PER MEETING DURING PUBLIC COMMENT PERIODS, BUT MAY SPEAK DURING PUBLIC HEARINGS.
UH, AS LONG AS THEIR COMMENTS PERTAIN TO THE PUBLIC HEARING, ALL COMMENTS WILL BE DIRECTED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND NOT, UH, NOT TO THE AUDIENCE.
BE CONSIDERATE OF YOUR FELLOW SPEAKERS.
THERE SHOULD BE NO APPLAUSE, BOOING, OR OTHER AUDIBLE DISRUPTION TO THE PROCEEDINGS.
THROUGH A SHOW OF HANDS, THE CHAIRMAN MAY ASK FOR A SHOW OF SUPPORT FOR COMMENTS MADE BY SPEAKERS.
PLACARDS, POSTERS, AND OTHER MEANS OF VISUAL DISPLAY WILL NOT BE PERMITTED IN THE BOARD, IN THE BOARD MEETING ROOM.
THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE INFORMATION OR MATERIALS USED AS PART OF A FACTUAL PRESENTATION.
THE BOARD AT THE HEARING, THE BOARD WILL NOT TOLERATE PERSONAL ATTACKS BY ANYONE ON ANY OF THE PART, UH, ON ANY OF THE PARTICIPANTS IN THE PROCEEDINGS.
ANYONE WHO VIOLATES THE GUIDELINES OF THE PUBLIC HEARING MAY BE ASKED TO LEAVE BY THE CHAIRMAN.
FAILURE TO LEAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING WHEN ASKED TO DO SO IS IN VIOLATION OF WARREN COUNTY CODE 56 DASH FOUR IN VIRGINIA, CODE 18.2 DASH FOUR 15 AND SUBJECT TO A FINE OF UP TO $2,500 AND A JAIL SENTENCE OF UP TO 12 MONTHS OR BOTH.
FINALLY, PLEASE REFRAIN FROM USING INAPPROPRIATE LANGUAGE IN YOUR COMMENTS.
YOUNG CHILDREN MAY BE VIEWING THIS SESSION EITHER IN PERSON OR LATER ONLINE, AND PEOPLE WILL PROBABLY HAVE LESS TENDENCY TO TAKE YOUR COMMENTS SERIOUSLY IF INAPPROPRIATE LANGUAGE IS USED.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION, MR. HENDERSON.
IS, IS THIS THE THIRD OR FOURTH TIME WE'VE HEARD FROM YOU TONIGHT? I JUST WANNA GO HOME
UH, THIS WAS AN ITEM THAT WAS PART OF THE ATTACHMENTS FOR THE, UH, COUNTY ADMINISTRATIVE REPORT.
SO I'M ASSUMING IT'S OKAY FOR THE AGENDA.
UH, IT WAS ABOUT THE BALLPARK, UH, IN IN ROCKLAND.
UH, MY FIRST QUESTION IS, DO THE TEAMS IN WARREN COUNTY NEED ADDITIONAL BALL FIELDS? AND DID PARTS AND REC GENERATE ANY DOCUMENTATION TO SUPPORT THE THESE DURING THESE, UH, BALL FIELDS? UH, AT THE PRESENT TIME, WARREN COUNTY IS ABOUT A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS IN DEBT, AND IT REQUIRES $12 MILLION A YEAR FROM THE TAXPAYERS TO PAY DOWN THAT DEBT.
SO INCREASING, UH, ANOTHER $2 MILLION ON THE BACKS OF THE TAXPAYERS FOR SOMETHING THAT MAY NOT BE NEEDED.
UH, AND I KNOW THERE'S BEEN COMMENTS ABOUT THERE COULD
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BE REVENUE MADE FROM, UH, LEASING THESE FIELDS OUT BY TEAMS THAT ARE TRAVELING.UH, THERE'S NO DOCUMENTATION TO SAY HOW MUCH REVENUE COULD BE GENERATED.
UH, I ESTIMATED THAT, THAT THEY DID A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS PER YEAR REVENUE COMING IN, AND PARTS AND RECS SPENT 20,000 FOR MAINTENANCE THAT WOULD LEAVE YOU WITH A NET OF $80,000 PER YEAR IN BUSINESS.
IF YOU INVESTED $2 MILLION AND YOU WANTED TO FIND OUT HOW LONG IT'S GONNA GET, GET THAT MONEY BACK, $80,000, THEN THAT 2 MILLION GONNA TAKE YOU 25 YEARS.
UM, I'M MORE CONCERNED, YOU KNOW, WITH WHAT, WHAT EFFECT IT HAS ON THE TAXPAYERS.
RAISING TAXES EACH YEAR CAUSES A BURDEN FOR A LOT OF THE CITIZENS IN WARREN COUNTY.
MY OTHER ISSUE IS, I GUESS WITH THE BROADBAND, I'M NOT REAL FAMILIAR WITH THAT, BUT I DID, UH, HEAR SOMETHING AT ONE POINT THAT THE COUNTY FROM THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN HAD GIVE THEM LIKE $6.9 MILLION, IF THAT'S CORRECT, I'M NOT SURE.
BUT WHEN THE MAP COME UP IN SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT, THE AREA OUT THERE, BECAUSE IT'S PAR SPARSELY POPULATED, THEY DON'T WANT TO GO OUT THERE.
THEY WANT TO GET TO AN AREA WHERE THEIR, ALL THEIR WORK IS COM COMBINED ONE CENTRAL LOCATION, SO THEY CAN MAKE THE 90% OF THEIR MONEY REAL QUICK.
THAT MEANS THAT THE LAST 10% OF THE PEOPLE WILL BE WAITING YEARS TO GET SERVICE IN THEIR LOCATION.
THE ONLY WAY TO CONTROL THAT IS IN YOUR LETTER OF SUPPORT YOU RECOMMEND OR DEMAND.
THEY, THEY START TO WORK IN THE RURAL AREAS AND GET THAT DONE FIRST.
THAT, THAT WILL GIVE THEM AN INCENTIVE TO GET THE WORK DONE, BECAUSE THE WAY IT'S GOING WITH THAT MAP AND EVERYTHING THEY SAID ABOUT GETTING ADDITIONAL GRANTS, ADDITIONAL MONEY MAKING REQUESTS, I'LL BE DEAD AND GONE BY THE TIME IT GETS TO MY HOUSE.
UM, I'M LOUIS MOTEN FROM THE, UH, NORTH RIVER DISTRICT.
I'D JUST LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT FIRST ABOUT THE CONFUSION OVER THE COMMENT PERIOD AND HOW IT RELATES TO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AS WELL, BECAUSE I WOULD'VE LIKED TO HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT THE ADULT DEFINITION OF BUSINESSES AND WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST WITH DONLEY PUBLIC LIBRARY AND IF THAT COULD HAPPEN HERE.
UM, MY MAIN TOPIC I WANT TO TALK, COMMENT ABOUT IS THE BROADBAND ISSUE.
I, I DID PUBLISH, OR I SENT A LETTER TO THE, UH, EDITOR AT THE ROYAL EXAMINER, AND HE PUBLISHED A LOT OF DETAILS.
UM, BUT THE, THE MAIN THING, AND I'M VERY CONCERNED WHEN I SAW THE SOUTH, WAS NOT ACTUALLY BEING, UM, SERVED LIKE THERE.
IT'S, IT'S NOT JUST A LITTLE BIT, IT'S A BIG GLARING HOLE.
AND I AGREE WITH THE LAST COMMENTER ABOUT THAT SHOULD BE PRIORITY.
UM, THIS REMINDS ME OF THE RURAL ELECTRIFICATION ACT IN 1936 THAT BROUGHT ELECTRICITY TO FARMERS.
MANY FARMERS DIDN'T HAVE ELECTRICITY AT THAT TIME, AND I SEE THE SAME PARALLELS.
I'M VERY INVOLVED WITH THEIR HISTORY AND THE COUNTRY AS A WHOLE WITH, WITH THAT.
UM, SO, UH, IT, I MAINLY POST ABOUT THE SATELLITE PRICES NORMALLY IS WHAT WE'RE BEING WITH THE PROPOSALS SUGGESTING AT, UH, I THINK IT WAS LIKE $60 PER 50 FOR 50 MEGABITS PER SECOND.
UH, THAT IS NOT EVEN QUALIFIED AS BROADBAND ACCORDING TO THE, UH, FCC AS OF MARCH OF THIS PAST YEAR.
SO THEY'RE NOT EVEN OFFERING BROADBAND AT THAT, AT THAT LOWEST TIER.
AND WHAT THEY ARE OFFERING IS SATELLITE PRICES.
UM, SO THE BIG THING IS, UH, REP HANOCK IS DISCUSSING EXIT PLAN, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, AND THEY'RE REACHING OUT TO COLE PEPPER ABOUT THEIR ISSUES WITH THE ADJUNCT FAILURE AS THEY, AS ONE OF THE SUPERVISORS SAID, UH, COLE PEPPER HAS AN ADDENDUM FOR DISCOUNT RATES FOR RESIDENTS.
UM, YOU MIGHT WANNA CHECK INTO THAT AS HANOCK IS REACHING OUT TO THEM AS WELL.
UH, THERE'S ALSO TIMELINE AGREEMENTS IN THE ADDENDUM.
QUA QUA, I'M NOT SURE HOW TO PRONOUNCE IT, BUT THEY'RE BEHIND SCHEDULE AND THEY ARE ACTUALLY GETTING $60 FOR ONE GIGABIT PER SECOND PER MONTH.
WE'RE TALKING AT, AT A RATE OF A DOLLAR 20 PER MEGABYTE MEGABIT PER SECOND FOR THE LOWER TIER RATES THAT THE VADI IS OFFERING WITH ALL POINTS BULLETIN VERSUS 12 CENTS AT GIGABIT SPEEDS.
SO THAT'S 10 TIMES THE DISTANCE.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF NORTHERN SHANANDOAH VALLEY REGIONAL COMMISSION IS INVOLVED WITH THE FISCAL STUFF, BUT I LOOK INTO THAT.
UM, I, YEAH, I, I THINK WHAT THE,
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WE SHOULD ASK THE RESIDENTS IN SOUTH WARREN WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT THESE SCORES.UM, I NOTICED BOTH OF THE GENTLEMEN WERE OVER ZOOM TODAY, AND THEY, THEY TOUT THAT THIS WILL MAKE ZOOM POSSIBLE NOT FOR THOSE RESIDENTS.
WOULD ANYBODY OUT IN, WOULD, WOULD ANYBODY OUT IN THE, UH, AUDIENCE LIKE TO SPEAK SECOND CALL? THE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IS NOW CLOSED ABOUT THE, THE SECOND COMMENT PERIOD.
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP FOR THE SECOND COMMENT PERIOD THAT, THAT WE HAVE OTHER THINGS TO DO IN BEFORE THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN? YOU'RE RIGHT.
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BOARD MEMBERS, MS. COOK, I HAVE NOTHING THIS EVENING.UM, THE, THE NEW IT COMMITTEE CONSISTING OF MRS. SK AND MYSELF, UH, MET WITH MR. JONES AND GOT SOME UPDATES ON PREPARATIONS UNDERWAY FOR A NEW VIRTUALIZATION SYSTEM.
IT'S GONNA BE REPLACING VMWARE.
UH, YOU MIGHT RECALL THAT THE LICENSE FEES FOR VMWARE WERE SCHEDULED, UH, TO INCREASE BY A FACTOR OF ABOUT EIGHT TIMES, WHICH MOTIVATED RESEARCH INTO SOME OTHER OPTIONS.
UM, TURNS OUT THAT THERE'S AN OPEN SOURCE SOLUTION, I BELIEVE IT'S CALLED PROX, UH, HAS A GOOD COMMERCIAL SUPPORT AVAILABLE, SO WE'RE MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION.
WE ALSO GOT A BRIEFING FROM MR. JONES ABOUT SOME STAFF CHANGES IN THE IT DEPARTMENT.
AND THE LAST WORD WE HAD, WE WERE TALKING TO A HIGHLY QUALIFIED PROSPECT FOR THE COUNTY.
SO HOPEFULLY, UH, WE'LL HAVE A NEW NETWORK ENGINEER, BUT WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING IF THAT PANS OUT.
ALSO, LAST WEEK I ATTENDED A, AN IT, A PRESENTATION TO THE COUNTY BY AN IT CONSULTING FIRM PROVIDE FOR ABOUT PROVIDING SERVICES TO ASSIST THE COUNTY AND ALIGNING ALL IT SYSTEMS BETWEEN FINANCE DEPARTMENT, THE TREASURER'S OFFICE, AND THE COMMISSIONER OF THE REVENUE.
UM, THERE'S BEEN PERSISTENT DIFFICULTIES FOR YEARS WITH THE INTERFACES BETWEEN THESE CRUCIAL DEPARTMENTS, AND I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE IDEA OF GETTING AN EXPERIENCED THIRD PARTY TO GUIDE ALL THREE TO A SHARED GOAL OF UNDERSTANDING AND AGREEING TO A PATH THAT LEADS TO THE COUNTY, TO A FINANCIAL SYSTEM INOPERABILITY INTEROPERABILITY AMONG THESE OFFICES.
UH, MR. STAN MEYER, UM, DEALT A LOT IN THE PAST COUPLE WEEKS WITH, UH, TAXPAYERS WHO HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THEIR ASSESSMENTS AND, UH, WALKING THEM THROUGH THE APPEAL PROCESS.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER UPDATES.
ON FEBRUARY 7TH, I ATTENDED, UM, A CHAMBER TOURISM COFFEE AND CONVERSATION AT ON QUEUE THAT WAS, UM, A ROOM FULL OF PEOPLE THERE AND IT WAS A REALLY GOOD PRESENTATION.
UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE YOUNG LADY'S NAME THAT IS WITH THE TOURISM COMMISSION THAT WAS THERE.
AND, UM, LIZZIE LEWIS FROM THE TOWN AS WELL AS JOINED IN AND, UM, WAS A REALLY GOOD CONVERSATION.
SHE'S A A GOOD RESOURCE PERSON THAT I LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING MORE CONVERSATIONS WITH IN THE FUTURE.
AND I'M GONNA SKIP DOWN SINCE MR. JENKINS IS STILL HERE BECAUSE HE HAD A QUESTION ABOUT BALL FIELDS.
ARE YOU STAYING MR. JENKINS? MR. JENKINS? I WANTED TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ON THE BALL FIELDS AT ROCKLAND AND WHETHER THERE WAS A NEED FOR 'EM.
THE BIGGEST NEED FOR BALL FIELDS IS FOR GIRLS SOFTBALL.
THERE'S ONE GIRL SOFTBALL FIELD IN WARREN COUNTY, AND WE HAVE CLOSE TO 300, I THINK, UM, YOUNG LADIES FROM FOUR OR FIVE YEARS OLD UP TO SENIORS IN HIGH SCHOOL.
AND THEY HAVE ONE FIELD THAT THEY CAN PARTICIPATE ON.
UM, I'LL BE GLAD TO LET YOU KNOW WHEN THEY HAVE THEIR OPENING SEASON, THEY HAVE THAT AT THE BING CROSBY AND THAT BASEBALL FIELD IS FULL OF YOUNG LADIES.
SO THAT TO ME IS THE MOST IMPORTANT.
TRAVEL, TRAVEL TEAMS NOT ONLY COULD BRING REVENUE FOR USING THE FIELDS, BUT IT'S STAYING IN THE HOTELS AND BUYING
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FOOD AND OTHER SHOPPING WHILE YOUR KIDS ARE, YOU KNOW, DOING THEIR SPORTS MOM'S OUT CHOPPING OR WHATEVER.SO THERE'S MORE REVENUE ADVANTAGES THAN JUST THE RENTAL FROM THE FIELDS.
BUT THE BIGGEST THING FOR ME IS THE FACT THAT THESE YOUNG LADIES JUST DON'T HAVE A PLACE OTHER THAN ONE FIELD.
AND TO GET THEM PRACTICE TIME AND PLAY TIME IS REALLY DIFFICULT.
AS FAR AS BROADBAND, YOU KNOW, WE HAD ONE PROVIDER AND THAT WAS ALL POINTS.
NOBODY ELSE WOULD TALK TO US AT ALL.
AM I NERVOUS ABOUT IT? I SURE AM, BUT THAT WAS ONE THING THAT I HEARD RESOUNDING FROM EVERYBODY WAS THE NEED FOR BROADBAND.
AND THAT WAS BEFORE COVID AND PEOPLE BEING SENT HOME TO WORK FROM HOME.
UM, IT'S EXPONENTIALLY GOTTEN BIGGER NEED UNLESS NOW THOSE GOVERNMENT JOBS ARE GONNA BE FORCED TO GO BACK.
UM, BUT, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF LOT MORE PEOPLE WORKING FROM HOME THAT NEED THAT SERVICE, AND THIS WAS THE ONLY GROUP THAT WE COULD GET IN.
YOU'VE LIVED HERE A LONG TIME.
WE BOTH KNOW WHAT CENTURYLINK IS LIKE, AND THAT'S BRIGHT SPEED NOW.
YOU KNOW, THEY COULDN'T PROVIDE US LANDLINE SERVICE THAT WORKED WELL.
I'M SKEPTICAL ABOUT WHAT THE FIBER'S GONNA BE LIKE, BUT YOU KNOW, IF THEY CAN PROVIDE US, THEN GOD BLESS THEM TOO.
BUT I WANTED TO ANSWER THOSE TWO QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
UM, GETTING BACK ON FEBRUARY 8TH, I WENT TO RIBBON CUTTING OF A NEW DANCE AND ARTS.
THAT IS A REALLY COOL BUSINESS.
UM, NEVER BEEN IN THAT BUILDING.
LIVED HERE ALL MY LIFE AND IT'S REALLY INTERESTING BUILDING.
UM, IT'S A DANCE STUDIO, SO IF YOU HAVE, IT GOES FROM CHILDREN TO ADULT.
SO THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY THERE.
AND THAT EVENING I WENT TO THE RIVER MINES BANQUET AWARDS WHERE, UH, KENNY CARTER WILL PONDER AND STEVEN QUACKENBUSH, I HOPE I SAY THAT RIGHT.
WERE ALL AWARDED FOR THE AMOUNT OF VOLUNTEERISM THAT THEY DO THERE.
AND THEN WILL PONDER, GOT THE FIRE CHIEF'S AWARD FOR ALL OF HIS VOLUNTEER WORK THAT HE DOES THERE AS WELL.
FEBRUARY 10TH, I ATTENDED THE MONTHLY BROWNTOWN COMMUNITY CENTER MEETING ON THE 13TH.
I, WE HAD A BUILDING COMMITTEE MEETING, AND ONE OF THE BIGGEST TOPICS THAT DAY WAS THE COURTHOUSE COPPOLA OR BELL, THE CLOCK TOWER AND HOW DEBILITATED IT IS.
THE CLOCK DOESN'T WORK CORRECTLY.
IT, IT'S, IT'S OLD AND IT PARTS FOR IT'S DIFFICULT.
THAT, AND THE LOOKS OF THE PICTURES WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO SOMETHING BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S DETERIORATING TO THE POINT IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE DONE.
SO I'M HOPING TO START RESEARCHING FOR, UH, GRANTS IN A HISTORICAL AREA BECAUSE YEAH, IT'S NOT GONNA BE AN EASY FIX DEALING WITH THAT.
UM, THIS MORNING I STARTED OUT MY DAY, UH, IT'S ABOUT SIX 30 OUT AT THE STOCK SALE.
UM, FFA, IT WAS ROGER TRACTOR TO SCHOOL DAY FOR THE FFA AT SKYLINE HIGH SCHOOL.
THERE WERE 10, AT LEAST 10 DIFFERENT TRACTORS OF DIFFERENT SORTS THAT STARTED OUT AT THE STOCK SALE AND DROVE TO THE HIGH SCHOOL.
AND THANK YOU SHERIFF KLEIN AND YOUR DEPUTIES FOR THAT ESCORT TO MAKE SURE THEY GOT THERE SAFELY.
WHEN THEY GOT TO THE HIGH SCHOOL, THERE WERE THREE YOUNG LADY ON, ON HORSES THAT FOLLOWED THEM IN.
IT WASN'T SAFE FOR THE HORSES TO BE OUT ON THE HIGHWAY.
SO IT WAS, UM, UH, MIKE MCCOOL WAS THERE VIDEOING IT.
IT MAKES MY, I'M, I'M PROUD OF THESE YOUNG KIDS, THEIR PARENTS AND, UM, WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO VDOT FOR SNOW REMOVAL AND OUR PUBLIC WORKS.
UM, WASN'T A WHOLE LOT OF SNOW, BUT IT'S THE COLD WEATHER MADE IT A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT.
UM, LAST FRIDAY WAS SCHOOL RESOURCE APPRECIATION.
SO WHEN YOU SEE YOUR SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS, IF YOU COULD THANK THEM FOR WHAT THEY'RE DOING TO KEEP OUR KIDS SAFE AND TO MENTOR THEM, UM, THE RELATIONSHIPS THEY BUILD WITH THESE KIDS.
UM, K THROUGH 12 IS, IS, UM, NOTHING SHORT OF VERY NEEDED AND APPRECIATED.
ON FEBRUARY 23RD, THIS SUNDAY FROM TWO TO FOUR, DR.
PENCE, UM, CHAIRMAN, I THINK SHE'S STILL CHAIRMAN OF THE SCHOOL BOARD.
AND I WILL HAVE OUR, IT'S MY THIRD COMMUNITY, UM, MEETING AND OUR SECOND TOGETHER AT SKYLINE HIGH SCHOOL IN THE CAFETERIA FROM TWO TO FOUR.
IT'S, UH, THE SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT MEETING AND WE WELCOME SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT.
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OUT AND VERY INFORMAL, UH, SHERIFF KLEIN'S GONNA BE THERE, CHIEF BONNO IS GONNA BE THERE AND JUST DROP IN, HAVE CONVERSATION ON HOW WE'RE DOING AND WHAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE WARREN COUNTY WHAT YOU WANT IT TO BE.SO THE, UH, SO MINE'S NOT GONNA BE AS, UH, AS, UH, AS LENGTHY AS YOURS, BUT THE, UH, UM, ON, UH, FEBRUARY 5TH, I MET WITH CHIEF PANZANO AND, UH, WENT OVER SOME OF THE NEEDS OF THE, OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
AND I REALLY APPRECIATE HIS, UM, HIS CANDOR.
UH, ON, UH, FRIDAY, FRIDAY THE, THE SEVENTH, UH, I PARTICIPATED IN THE REGIONAL AIRPORT AUTHORITY PLAN, STRATEGIC PLANNING THAT, UH, THAT INVOLVES OF THE, UH, THE AIRPORTS IN THE, IN THE, UH, SURROUNDING AREA TO INCLUDE, UH, THE FRONT ROYAL, UM, WARREN COUNTY AIRPORT.
UH, ON THE, UH, SATURDAY THE EIGHTH, UH, I WAS WITH, UH, MS. COLORS OVER AT THE, UH, RIBBON CUTTING AT THE DANCE STUDIO.
AND, UM, THEN, UH, DURING THE WEEK OF, UM, FEBRUARY THE, UH, FEBRUARY THE 10TH, UM, I HAD A, A A COUPLE OF, UH, CONSTITUENTS WHO CAME UP WITH SOME, SOME, UH, ISSUES ON, ON, UH, TAXES THAT I WAS ABLE TO HELP THEM OUT ON THAT, OF ON, UH, UH, FRIDAY.
UH, MET, UH, MET OVER AT THE, UH, FRONT ROYAL WARREN COUNTY AIRPORT FOR A, UH, IT WAS A, AN AIRPORT DATA REVIEW.
UH, WE HAVE A, UH, CONSULTANT THAT IS, HAS BEEN WORKING WITH US, AND THEY JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT THEY COULD FORWARD IT TO THE STATE, BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S HOW WE ARE GOING TO GET SOME OF OUR, OUR FUNDING.
AND THEN, UH, AND THAT WAS BASICALLY IT.
UM, MR. JONES HAS A BRIEF REPORT FOR YOU ON HIS WAY UP.
UM, SATURDAY IS THE COLDEST DAY OF THE YEAR WALK.
WALK AT, UH, ABOUT FIVE O'CLOCK.
UM, UM, THE WARREN COUNTY HAPPY FEAT WILL BE PARTICIPATED LED BY MS. MEADOWS AND, UH, DEPUTY CHIEF, MY ATCO.
AND YOU CAN SPONSOR EITHER OF THEM OR ANYBODY ELSE ON THE TEAM.
THAT SOUNDS LIKE A REALLY COOL EVENT.
UM, I WANTED TO MAKE Y'ALL AWARE OF THE SITUATION WE'RE DEALING WITH IN THE IT DEPARTMENT.
UM, ON SATURDAY EVENING, WE HAVE A VMWARE SERVER OVER AT THE, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING ON SATURDAY EVENING.
WE HAD, UH, A DOWNED SERVER WITHIN THE VMWARE SERVER.
SO BASICALLY YOU HAVE THIS BOX, IT'S A BIG KIND OF SUPERCOMPUTER, AND INSIDE OF IT WE RUN MULTIPLE INSTANCES OF DIFFERENT SERVERS.
ONE OF THOSE SERVERS HAD FAILED AND WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS TO RECOVER.
TYPICALLY WHAT WE DO IS JUST GO IN THROUGH THE VMWARE SOFTWARE AND RESTART THAT SERVER AND EVERYTHING'S FINE.
WHEN WE GOT INTO THE SYSTEM, WE FIGURED OUT THAT WE COULD NOT LOG INTO VMWARE.
THAT THE VMWARE BASE, IF YOU WILL, IS MALFUNCTIONING.
WE WERE ABLE TO FIND A WAY TO GET INTO THE, TO THE SERVER WITHIN VMWARE TO RESOLVE THAT ISSUE.
BUT THE, UH, THE PROBLEM WE HAVE IS THE VMWARE EQUIPMENT IS NOW IN A FAILED STATE, AND THERE'S SEVERAL SYSTEMS WITHIN THIS VMWARE CLUSTER THAT ARE CRITICAL TO THE OPERATIONS OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING.
UM, SO WE HAD HAD PLANS TO REPLACE THAT IS, AS DR.
JAMESON HAD ALLUDED TO EARLIER, WITH APPROXIMATE SOLUTION AND SOME HARDWARE WITH THAT, UM, BECAUSE OF THIS PROBLEM, WE'RE GOING TO ACCELERATE THAT PROCESS.
SO YOU'RE GONNA FIND, UM, LATER ON THIS WEEK, I'M GONNA WORK WITH MS. SCOTT TO DO AN EMERGENCY PROCUREMENT.
THIS IS MONEY THAT'S IN THE BUDGET AND PLAN FOR THIS YEAR AND NEXT TO REPLACE SOME OF THAT EQUIPMENT AND REPLACE THE SOFTWARE AND MIGRATE OFF OF THE VMWARE SOLUTION TO APPROXIMATE SOLUTION.
AND THEN LATER ON, WE'LL PUT ANOTHER SYSTEM OUT HERE NEXT, NEXT BUDGET CYCLE.
AND THOSE TWO SYSTEMS WILL BE REDUNDANT OF EACH OTHER AND THEY'RE REDUNDANT INSIDE OF EACH OTHER.
IT'S KIND OF A WHOLE DISASTER RECOVERY PLAN THAT WE'RE PUTTING TOGETHER.
UM, SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, LET ME KNOW.
I WANNA MAKE YOU AWARE OF IT THAT IT WAS COMING.
UM, IT'S QUITE AN EXPENSE, BUT IT IS A PLANNED EXPENSE.
SO, ONE QUESTION, DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE, UM, THE SERVICE THAT WENT DOWN WITHIN THE VMWARE, UM, ARE, YOU HAVE THE IMAGES AND YOU CAN RESTORE THOSE TO PROX BOX ONCE THAT PROCUREMENT IS DONE? YES, SIR.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE'RE BRINGING PROX BOX IN 'CAUSE IT'S A SIMPLE MIGRATION.
THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT WAYS TO PULL THE BACKUPS OF THOSE SERVERS.
WE'RE LOOKING TO GET AN THE OTHER ONE AS WELL.
BUT EITHER WAY, THE, THE BACKUPS
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THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, WE'LL MOVE RIGHT INTO PROXIMUS AS IT STANDS.AND WE'RE ACTUALLY TESTING THAT.
WE STOOD UP A SIMPLE LITTLE PROXIM MAX BACK IN OUR OFFICE AND WE'RE TESTING THE RECOVERY JUST TO MAKE SURE IT'S A SIMPLE PROCESS THAT WE UNDERSTAND.
AND THEN, UM, UH, SINCE IT WAS THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING, UM, ARE THERE ANY CRITICAL SERVICES THAT ARE DOWN RIGHT NOW THAT YOU CAN TALK ABOUT? YOU KNOW, BASED ON THAT? NO, THERE'S NOTHING DONE RIGHT NOW.
YEAH, WE, AND WE WANNA KEEP IT THAT WAY, SO.
ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU GUYS VERY MUCH.
JUST WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE OF IT, SIR.
UM, YOU HAVE THREE VACANCIES ON THE EDA.
THESE ARE FOUR YEAR TERMS. YOU HAVE TWO TERMS THAT RUN FROM MARCH 1ST, 2022 TO FEBRUARY 28TH, 2026.
AND THEN YOU HAVE ONE TERM THAT RUNS FROM MARCH 1ST, 2024 TO MARCH 20 BE 28, OR WOULD IT BE 29? I GUESS IT WOULD BE 29 ON 20 FOR 2020 28.
SO I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE, THAT'S FOUR YEARS.
THAT WOULD BE END UP BEING MARCH 29 OR FEBRUARY 29 ON THE 2028.
AND YOU CAN PICK ONE OF THOSE TERMS, EITHER 2022 TO 2026 OR 2024 TO 2028 TO APPOINT.
YOU HAVE, UH, ON YOUR AGENDA THERE.
COUNSELOR, I HAVE NO COMMENTS OTHER THAN THE SUGGESTION THAT WHEN ITEM V COMES UP, THAT, THAT Y'ALL TALK ABOUT THAT AND MAYBE HE'LL GIVE YOU THOSE DATES AGAIN.
[H. Appropriations and Transfers ]
AND TRANSFERS.ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? NOT FOR ME.
[I. Approval of Accounts ]
UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.UM, THIS, THIS FIRST QUESTION IS TO REFRESH MY MEMORY.
SO WHEN I, SO WHAT WE ARE APPROVING, LIKE THE CHECK REGISTER, THE FIELD REPORT, THE PCARD REPORT, THOSE ARE TRANSACTIONS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN COMPLETED.
JUST WANTED TO, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT I WAS INTERPRETING THESE REPORTS CORRECTLY.
SO WHATEVER'S ON THE P CARD, FUEL CARD CHECK REGISTER IS, UM, OUR ACQUISITIONS, OR I SHOULDN'T USE ACQUISITIONS, BUT, UM, THOSE TRANSACTIONS HAVE BEEN DONE.
THE NEXT QUESTION I HAVE HERE IS, UM, AND I SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT THIS UP LAST MONTH, BUT I SEE THAT WE HAVE A NEW REPORT, WHICH IS THE SCHOOL BOARD, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, AS PER REQUEST.
SO, UM, SO IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS TO THIS, THE SCHOOL BOARD REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE SUMMARY, DO I SEND 'EM TO YOU OR DO I SEND 'EM TO THE SCHOOL BOARD? HOW, HOW SHOULD THAT WORK? PLEASE SEND 'EM TO THE SCHOOL BOARD.
SEND 'EM TO THE SCHOOL BOARD? YES, MA'AM.
SO THAT WOULD BE WHO BE MR. BELLINGER? BALLANTINE WHO? UM, IF I MAY, I WOULD SEND THEM TO MR. BALLANTINE WITH A COPY TO MRS. SCOTT AND A COPY TO DR.
YEAH, JUST, I DON'T KNOW IF THE REST OF THE BOARD MEMBERS HAS OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THIS REPORT, BUT IT WAS CURIOUS THAT THERE'S A LINE ITEM IN, IN AN EXPENDITURE CALLED WARRANTS ISSUED FOR $6 MILLION.
SO THOSE WERE THE TYPE OF THINGS THAT I'VE SEEN IN THE CSA.
IN DSS FUND OR IN, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW.
I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE, UM, THE, THE LINE ITEMS HERE.
AND THAT WAS ACTUALS? THAT WAS ACTUALS THAT OF ON 2025? YES.
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ACCOUNTING TERM THAT WE USE FOR EXPENDITURES OUT OF SCHOOLS.SO, SO ANY EVENT, SO I WILL, YOU KNOW, GOING, GOING FORWARD, UM, SEND MY QUESTIONS TO THE SCHOOL BOARD, BUT IT'S, BUT IT'S A GOOD REPORT.
ANYTHING ELSE? DO I HAVE A MOTION? SECOND.
[J. Approval of Minutes - February 4th Regular Meeting ]
IS APPROVAL OF, OF MINUTES FOR THE, UH, FEB FEBRUARY 4TH REGULAR MEETING.I, I MOVE TO, UM, APPROVE AS PRESENTED.
MR. STAN MEYER? AYE MR. SCHOLARS? AYE.
[R. Consent Agenda ]
WE'RE UP TO, UM, NEW BUSINESS CONSENT AGENDA.DO I HAVE ANY, ANY, UH, ITEMS THAT, UH, THAT NEED TO BE? LEMME SEE.
ARE WE ADDING AN ITEM TO THE CONSENT AGENDA OR DOWN BELOW? SO DIDN'T THEY, DIDN'T THEY PUT IT DOWN HERE UNDER REVIEW? WE HAD TWO ITEMS OF NEW BUSINESS AFTER THE CONSENT AGENDA.
DO I HAVE ANYTHING THAT, UM, THAT UM, YOU ALL WOULD WANT TO PULL FORWARD DISCUSSION FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? YES, I DO.
I WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE 19, 20 AND 21.
SO THE, UH, ITEM 19 IS A LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR THE BRIGHT BEAD GRANT APPLICATION PROGRAM.
UM, ACTUALLY, UH, 19 AND 20 ARE KIND OF THE SAME ACTION.
SO WE'RE, SHE WANTS TO MOVE 19, 20, 21 AND NOW WE SHOULD SOLICIT A, A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH THOSE REDUCTIONS.
SO DO I, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT, UH, AGENDA MINUS ITEMS 19, 20 AND 21.
I MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
LESS ITEMS. 19, 20 AND 21 SECOND.
[Items R.19. & R.20.]
I WAS SAYING, UM, GET THE AGENDA HERE.UM, ITEMS 19 AND 20 ARE SIMILAR ACTIONS.
SO JUST A LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR BRIGHT SPEED AND ALL POINTS BROADBAND.
OF COURSE, WE SAW THAT EARLIER THAT THE PRESENTATIONS AND, AND WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO.
SO, UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE IT, I JUST WANT TO MAKE THE POINT THAT THE BOARD'S APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF THESE LETTERS OF SUPPORT DOES NOT PREVENT THESE COMPANIES FROM APPLYING FOR BE FEDERAL BE FUNDING TO DO THE WORK OUT HERE IN WARREN COUNTY.
IT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN STILL DO IT.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, AND ADD A PRINCIPLE FOR MYSELF THAT, UM, I DO NOT WANNA APPROVE THESE LETTERS OF SUPPORT.
SO THAT'S FOR BOTH 19 AND 20, RIGHT? SO I'LL GO AHEAD.
YOU CAN WANT ME TO MAKE A MOTION OR
HAVE, DO I HAVE ANY DISCUSSION, FURTHER DISCUSSION? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
UM, TONIGHT I, I REALIZED HOW BAD IT IS, UM, AND SOUTH RIVER IN BENTONVILLE AND BROWNTOWN, UM, I, I DIDN'T EVEN HAVE THAT IMPRESSION EARLIER TODAY WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING THIS.
AND, UH, UM, I WAS APPRECIATIVE THAT ALL POINTS SAID THEY WOULD SEND, UH, SEND THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR A LIST OF ZIP CODES AND HOPEFULLY WE GET, UH, 2, 2 6, 1 0.
IS THAT THE, HOPEFULLY THAT'S ON THE LIST, BUT I, I, I'M, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY DID INDICATE, WITHOUT SAYING IT STRAIGHT OUT, THAT, THAT THEY WOULD BE DOING COVERAGE EVERYWHERE, BUT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO SEE THAT, UM,
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IT WAS DISAPPOINTING THAT APPARENTLY CENTURYLINK IS, WANTS US TO TRUST THAT THEY'LL GET TO THAT IN SOME FUTURE PHASE AFTER THEY'VE ALREADY GOT THE BEAD MONEY.SO THAT'S, THAT'S CONCERNING TO ME.
UM, I'M ACTUALLY A LITTLE NERVOUS TO, TO JUST APPROVE THESE BOTH TONIGHT WITHOUT THE ONE INFORMATION ON THE ONE HAND AND, AND FURTHER DISCUSSION, UM, ABOUT SOUTH RIVER.
UM, BUT I ALSO KNOW THEY'RE UP AGAINST THE TIME LIMIT.
UH, AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S, IF WE WOULD JUST DERAIL THE WHOLE THING IF WE WERE TO TABLE TO THE NEXT MEETING, BECAUSE I THINK MARCH, SOMETIME IN MARCH IS THEIR DEADLINE, RIGHT? MARCH ONE.
YEAH, SO, SO A VOTE TO TABLE IS A, IS A VOTE NOT TO PROVIDE THE, UH, ENDORSEMENT.
AND SO YOU, YOU, YOU CAN TURN IT DOWN IF, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, THAT WOULD BE BETTER THAN TABLING.
UH, I ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT THE ZIP CODES BECAUSE I HAVE THE IMPRESSION, I DON'T KNOW FOR CERTAIN, BUT I BELIEVE THEY ARE GIVEN ZIP CODES WHERE THEY MAY APPLY.
AND I, YOU NOTICED IN THE FIRST PRESENTATION THEY LEFT THE SOUTH END OFF THE SAME AS THEY DID IN THE SECOND.
AND I BELIEVE THAT WE WILL FIND OUT IF THEY GIVE US A ZIP CODES THAT THEY ARE RESTRICTED TO THE ZIP CODES WHERE THEY CAN APPLY.
BUT I THINK THAT'S, THERE'S SOMETHING TO THESE ZIP CODES, WHICH WAS NOT AN ISSUE BEFORE.
AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER POINT I WANTED TO MAKE, JUST FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE WATCHING THIS, UH, WHATEVER WE DO WITH THESE RESOLUTIONS, IT DOESN'T COMMIT ANY WARREN COUNTY TAX, UH, REVENUE TOWARD THAT.
UM, IT, IT'S ALL COMING FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IN THROUGH THE STATE.
AND THESE, UH, LETTERS OF ENDORSEMENT WOULD HELP THESE COMPANIES GO AFTER THAT MONEY.
BUT, UM, AS YOU SAID, THEY'RE FREE TO DO IT EITHER WAY.
AND IN, IN NO WAY IS IT COMING OFF OF ADDITIONAL EXPENSES FROM THE COUNTY, UM, OR FROM OUR TAXPAYERS.
DOES THIS STOP, DOES THIS STOP WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW WITH, UM, WITH ALL POINTS THEM DEPLOYING THE 1200 THAT THEY SAID THAT THEY ARE? SO THAT'S NOT GONNA STOP.
AND OF COURSE GO MOVING FORWARD WITH THE, THE NEW DEPLOYMENTS THAT WOULD COME ABOUT WITH THE FEDERAL, UM, B DOLLARS.
AGAIN, THAT'S WHY I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THE POINT THAT OUR ACTION IS JUST APPROVING THESE LETTER OF SUPPORTS FOR THEM.
AND, AND, UM, I AM ONLY GONNA SPEAK FOR MYSELF THAT I, I LET'S, I DON'T FEEL THAT I CAN DO THAT.
WELL, I, I WON'T AGREE THAT THIS IS GONNA GET DONE WITHOUT CONSIDERATION OF BEAD MONEY BECAUSE I THINK THOSE MAPS PRETTY MUCH SHOW THAT THE HIGHER DENSITY AREA OF THE NORTHERN PART OF WARREN COUNTY IS WHERE THE CONCENTRATION ARE BECAUSE THERE'S WHERE YOUR RESIDENTIAL DENSITY IS.
SO YEAH, THE BEAD MONEY, UM, FOR EITHER OF THESE IS GOING TO HELP THAT AREA.
WHEREAS THE VADI MONEY, IF ALL POINTS IS ABLE IN MY LOOK AT THIS, IS ABLE TO GET BEAD MONEY, THEN THEY CAN CONCENTRATE THE BEAD MONEY WHERE BEAD SAYS IT WILL APPLY.
'CAUSE IT DOES SOUND LIKE THEY'RE GONNA USE THE ZIP CODE, WHEREAS THE VADI CAN THEN BE USED MORE IN SOUTH RIVER BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, THEY ORIGINALLY SAID, AND I'VE SEEN THE PLANS, WE'VE ALL GOTTEN THAT INFORMATION FROM THE PRESENTATIONS.
THEY HAVE EMAILED ME, ALL OF US, THAT IT'S MAPPED OUT THAT SOUTH RIVER IS GOING TO BE SERVED UNDER VADI.
SO IF WE LIMIT THEM FROM GETTING BEAD MONEY, THEN THAT VADI MONEY'S GONNA HAVE TO GET SPREAD OVER ALL OF WARREN COUNTY AND GUESS WHO'S GONNA GET SCREWED SOUTH RIVER.
AND I'M SORRY, WE'VE TAKEN A BEATING AND SOUTH RIVER LONG ENOUGH.
THERE IS IN, IN BROWNTOWN, THERE'S MAYBE A COUPLE OF PLACES YOU CAN GET CELL SERVICE IF THAT LANDLINE GOES DOWN.
AND I'M TELLING YOU FOLKS, ANYBODY THAT'S HAD CITRA LINK OR BRIGHT SPEED FOR ANY AMOUNT OF TIME, YOU CAN DEPEND ON IT.
AND THOSE PEOPLE ARE THEN SHUT OFF FROM ANY EMERGENCY HELP THAT THEY NEED.
AND I CAN'T, I CAN'T BE HERE AS THEIR REPRESENTATIVE AND NOT FIGHT FOR THIS.
AND JUST BECAUSE ALL THOSE DOTS WERE ON THE REST OF THE COUNTY, YOU CAN'T FORSAKE SOUTH RIVER.
SO MY, MY MY THOUGHTS ON THIS ARE THAT THESE HORSES HAVE
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ALREADY LEFT THE GATE AND WE JUST NEED TO PUSH 'EM ACROSS THE LINE.WE'RE NOT AND THAT'S WHAT THE, WE CAN'T D HORSES NOW.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY WAY I'M, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY CAN DELIVER WHAT THEY PROMISE.
I DO KNOW WE'RE NOT GONNA SPEND ANOTHER DOLLAR ON IT, BUT, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE RUNNING, THEY'RE OFF AND RUNNING AND I, WE, IF WE CAN'T AND ALL POINTS HAS PULL 'EM BACK AND CHOOSE A DIFFERENT HORSE THAT I, I JUST, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE HOW IT'S ANYTHING BUT, UM, MAYBE A HELP AND MAYBE IT'S NOT A HELP, BUT WELL, ALL POINTS HAS DONE, UM, IN THE, OH, THE, I I WANNA SAY NORTHERN NECK, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S EXACTLY KING GEORGE KING SOMETHING DOWN IN THERE.
UM, THEY HAVE DONE QUITE A LOT OF WORK DOWN THERE.
I THINK THEY'RE FINISHED DOWN THERE.
UM, A LOT OF THIS HOLD UP, WHICH I'M AS DISAPPOINTED AS ANYBODY ELSE WAS BECAUSE, UM, THE ELECTRIC COMPANIES ALL AGREED IN THE BEGINNING THAT THEY WERE GONNA WORK WITH THIS PROJECT AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE WAS THERE, AND THEN RAPPAHANNOCK ELECTRIC DECIDED TO TRIPLE THE COST OF USING THEIR POLES.
THAT, AND THAT TOOK UP A LOT OF TIME.
SO I'M OPTIMISTIC BECAUSE I'VE TALKED TO DR. HOLMES, SHE'S THE DIRECTOR OF THIS FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
THEY ARE RUBBING THIS DIAMOND, UM, AND THEY WANT TO SEE THIS DONE.
I'M HOPEFUL, YES, I'M NERVOUS ABOUT IT, BUT I'M HOPEFUL.
BUT TO SIT HERE AND JUST ARBITRARILY SAY, NO, WE'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SUPPORT SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, GUARANTEE YOU, IF YOU WERE SITTING IN BROWNTOWN WITH NO TELEPHONE AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOVED ONE WAS PINNED UNDER A TRACTOR OR HAVING A HEART ATTACK, OR YOUR HOUSE WAS ON FIRE, YOU WISH YOU HAD IT.
FOR ME, NOT APPROVING THESE LETTERS DOES NOT MEAN THAT I DO NOT SUPPORT THE EFFORT THAT THESE COMPANIES ARE DOING TO BRING BROADBAND HERE.
I AM JUST SAYING THAT I CANNOT APPROVE THE LETTER OF SUPPORT.
AND, AND BASED ON THIS IS, YOU KNOW, I KEEP HEARING COST.
IT'S, IT'S NOTHING FOR THE COUNTY.
IT'S NOT COMING BE OF A REVENUE.
THERE'S STILL, IT'S, IT'S STILL TAX DOLLARS FROM OUR CONSTITUENTS WHO PAY STATE AND FEDERAL TAXES.
SO THAT, AND THOSE CONSTITUENTS, THAT'S NOT THE REASON WHY I'M DOING SERVICE.
YOU KNOW, SO I'M NOT, I AM NOT DISAPPROVING OR NOT SAYING I DON'T SUPPORT THE GENEROSITY OF THE STATE IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IN GIVING MONEY, MAKING MONEY AVAILABLE TO BRING BROADBAND ACROSS THE UNITED STATES AND RURAL COUNTIES.
I'M JUST SAYING AS FAR AS THE LETTER OF SUPPORT THAT THE, THAT THESE TWO COMPANIES ARE ASKING THAT I, OUT OF WHAT I FEEL I CANNOT DO.
SO, YOU KNOW, I I, WE CAN TALK OFFLINE TO TELL YOU WHY, YOU KNOW, OR I CAN SAY IT RIGHT NOW.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S, I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT POINT.
WELL, ANYTHING I HAVE TO SAY, I CAN SAY ONLINE 'CAUSE I'VE GOT NOTHING TO HIDE ON IT.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THESE BOTH LETTERS.
MA'AM, DO WE WANNA DO 'EM INDIVIDUALLY OR TOGETHER? I DON'T CARE.
SO IT'S A MOTION TO APPROVE 19 AND 20.
SECOND, SECOND RULE CALL MRS. COOK.
THE, UH, THE, THE LAST ITEM IS
[R.21. Warren Coalition - Landlord's Release & Consent -]
THE, UM, UH, WARREN CO COALITION, THE, THE LANDLORD'S RELEASE AND CONSENT.THIS, I, I JUST NEED A LITTLE MORE CLARIFICATION OF WHAT WE'RE DOING BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS COMMON PRACTICE OR NOT.
SO THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT IS THAT THE, UM, WARREN COALITION IS REQUESTING A LOAN AND AT, THERE'S, I GUESS IT'S THE LOAN DOCUMENTS THAT'S IN OUR PACKAGE THAT IS ASKING, OR IS CONSENTING THE LANDLORD, WHICH IS US BECAUSE THE WARREN COALITION HAS TWO OFFICES IN THE, UH, PARKS AND, UH, IN THE COMMUNITY CENTER.
SO AS PART OF, UH, PART OF THIS AGREEMENT IS THAT THE, UM, WARREN COALITION IS GOING IS USING,
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I GUESS THE FURNITURE AS COLLATERAL IN THE COMMUNITY CENTER.AND, AND SO FOR, I, I GUESS WHERE I'M STRUGGLING WITH IS, YOU KNOW, IS WHY, WHY IS IT NECESSARY TO HAVE WARREN COUNTY BEING PART OF THIS RELEASE AND CONSENT? YOU KNOW, I MEAN IF IT'S, I I IT IS JUST NEW TO ME, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST, I'M JUST THINKING THAT, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE'S GONNA USE THEIR PERSONAL PROPERTY IS COLLATERAL AND THEY'RE, THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO COME GET IT, MA'AM.
SO, SO THIS IN ESSENCE IS SAYING THAT IF THEY DEFAULT, THE BANK CAN COME ONTO THE PREMISES TO REPO ANY OF THE PROPERTY, PERSONAL PROPERTY THAT THEY OWN IN THE COMMUNITY, THEIR THEIR PROPERTY.
AND WE WOULD REQUEST THAT YOU MAKE THAT MOTION IF YOU GO TO APPROVE THIS, THAT IT BE SUBJECT TO FINAL APPROVAL FROM THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.
THE BANK ATTORNEYS ARE STILL WORKING AT OUR REQUEST TO MODIFY THIS TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING EXCEPT REMOVE WARREN COALITION'S PROPERTY.
BECAUSE THAT WAS, WE WANT THAT, THAT WAS ANOTHER THING THAT I WAS GONNA BRING UP.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOTHING IN THIS AGREEMENT THAT DOES, YOU KNOW, SEPARATES WHAT BELONGS TO THE WARREN COALITION, WHAT BELONGS TO THE COUNTY.
THERE WAS A LOT WRONG WITH WHAT THE BANK PUT.
AND IN THERE, AND YOU CAN SEE IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET, THERE WAS ONE THAT I HAVE SCRIBBLED ALL OVER AND SENT TO THE BANK.
AND THAT WILL ALSO NEED THE ADDITION OF A CLARIFICATION OF WHAT IS THE WARREN COALITION'S PROPERTY VERSUS WHAT IS WARREN COUNTY'S PROPERTY.
AND, YOU KNOW, TO ANSWER YOUR, YOUR FIRST QUESTION IS, IS THIS, DOES WARREN COUNTY HAVE TO DO THIS? YOU KNOW, THE ANSWER IS NO, WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANNA SUPPORT THE WARREN ON COALITION, WE WE COULD DO THIS, BUT I WOULD STRONGLY ADVISE YOU NOT TO DO ANYTHING THAT DAMAGES YOURSELF, WHICH IS WHY I HAVE CHANGED THEIR FORM.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A BANK HOLIDAY YESTERDAY AND UM, THEY HAVEN'T RESPONDED TO US YET.
SO THE EXISTING MOTION WOULD, UH, IF YOU CHOSE TO DO THIS, WOULD BE TO, UM, AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO BE ALLOWED TO EXECUTE THE LANDLORD'S RELEASE AND CONSENT WITH SUCH CHANGES AS ARE RECOMMENDED BY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.
AND ONE DRAFT OF THOSE CHANGES IS IN YOUR AGENDA PACKAGE.
IT PROBABLY WON'T END UP THAT WAY.
IF THE BANK'S LAWYER HAS A DIFFERENT WAY TO DO THE SAME THING, THEN, BUT THEN THAT'S FINE.
AND ALSO, UM, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S LISTED WHAT EXACT PROPERTY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IE IT'S NOT WARREN COUNTY'S PERSONAL PROPERTY, BUT WE DON'T SIGN ANYTHING UNTIL MR. HAM IS SIGNED OFF ON IT.
WHICH MEANS THAT THIS MAY NEVER PASS.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE BANK WANTS CHANGES THAT ARE NOT REASONABLE TO WARREN COUNTY, THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN.
AND OR, YOU KNOW, CONVERSELY, THE BOARD DOES NOT NEED TO DO THIS.
THIS IS WOULD ONLY BE DONE TO, TO BE GOOD TO, UH, TO THE WARREN COALITION TO, TO ASSIST THAT ENTITY.
UM, WHY IS THIS EVEN NECESSARY? LIKE IF SAY IT WAS A PRIVATE LANDLORD AND NOT, NOT THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WERE GOING INTO A LOAN WITH, UH, PERSONAL PROPERTY AS COLLATERAL OR BUSINESS EQUIPMENT AS COLLATERAL FOR THE LENDER TO ENFORCE THAT CONTRACT, THEY WOULD NEED TO TAKE IT TO COURT AND GET A COURT ORDER AND THEN THAT THEY HAVE THE SHERIFF FOR A DEPUTY COME ENFORCE THAT.
WHICH I, I THINK IN THIS SITUATION YOU WOULD WANT THAT ANYWAY, UM, IN CASE THERE'S ANY MISUNDERSTANDING.
BUT, BUT WHY IS IT EVEN NECESSARY FOR US TO BE INVOLVED AND NOT JUST HAVE THAT GO THROUGH A CIVIL PROCESS LIKE I JUST DESCRIBED? UM, WELL, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I DON'T REPRESENT THE BANK.
UM, BUT THIS IS QUICKER AND EASIER.
IE IT GIVES THE SECURITY TO THE BANK IN A, IN A FASTER WAY AND A AS DRAFTED, THIS LANDLORD'S RELEASE AND CONSENT ACTUALLY ASSIGNS THE CURRENT RIGHTS TO USE THE PROPERTY TO THE BANK, WHICH I HAVE ABSOLUTELY CROSSED OUT.
SO THAT WOULD BE A HECK OF A LOT OF SECURITY.
IT BASICALLY ALLOWS THE ENTIRE LEASE INTEREST TO BE SECURITY FOR THE LOAN, UM, TO THE BANK.
AND I HAVE GUTTED ALL OF THAT AND IT IS REDUCED TO, YOU CAN JUST COME ON THE PROPERTY AND TAKE WARREN COALITION STUFF AND IT MAY VERY WELL BE THAT THE BANK SAYS, WELL NO, WE DON'T WANT THAT.
SO IT ALL JUST IS, IS DONE AND WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN YET.
SO IF WE, IF WE PASS THIS TONIGHT, IT BASICALLY EMPOWERS YOU TO, TO THEN SEE TO THE DETAILS AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE TOLERABLE TO THE COUNTY AND YOUR BEST JUDGMENT.
AND WHAT WOULD THAT WOULD MEAN? AND, AND DR.
DALEY'S BEST JUDGMENT AS WELL.
AND AND WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN IS YOU CAN COME ON THE PROPERTY AND GET, UM, STUFF THAT YOUR SECURITY INTEREST IS, UH, IS SUSCEPTIBLE TO IE WARREN COALITION STUFF THAT THEY BOUGHT WITH THEIR OWN MONEY, NOT WARREN COUNTY STUFF.
AND, AND YOU CANNOT GENERALLY USE THE PROPERTY OR SUBLEASE IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE OR, OR
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ANYTHING ON, ON THAT NATURE.AND, AND I'M FINE FOR Y'ALL TO, TO DO WHATEVER YOU WANNA DO HERE.
UM, I DO NOT KNOW HOW TIME SENSITIVE THIS IS.
DALEY'S TELLING ME IT'S IMPORTANT.
IT PROBABLY IS IMPORTANT TO THAT ENTITY TO, TO GET THIS LOAN.
WELL THEY RECH BY A LOT TO HELP A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.
SO WHAT IF WE TABLE IT UNTIL THERE'S SOME KIND OF COMMUNICATION BETWEEN BOTH PARTIES AND THEN COME BACK WITH A CLEANED AGREEMENT? YOU CAN DO THAT.
I I DO NOT KNOW IF THAT'S POTENTIALLY THE, THE BAD SCENARIO WOULD BE IF THAT COULD TORPEDO THE LOAN.
THERE'S A SET CLOSING DATE AND YOUR NEXT MEETING'S TOO FAR AWAY.
BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S TRUE.
SO, UM, CERTAINLY TABLING IS, IS PERFECTLY FINE AND THEN YOU SEE EXACTLY WHAT YOU WERE PROVING.
SO WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IS JUST MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THAT YOU KNOW, IF NEED BE, YOU CAN, YOU CAN GET THIS THING TO THAT, THAT YOU WON'T, UH, UH, KEEP IT FROM MOVING FORWARD.
AND YOU KNOW, AS ASSET WILL BE DRAFTED, IF, YOU KNOW, IF THEY ACCEPT IT THAT WAY, THE ONLY WAY IT WOULD BE DRAFTED WOULD BE IN A WAY THAT WOULD BE DESIGNED TO MINIMALLY DISRUPT WARREN COUNTY.
IE IT WOULD ALLOW BANK FOLKS TO COME ON THE PROPERTY AND REMOVE PERSONAL PROPERTY.
BUT IF WE APPROVE THIS PENDING ANY NEGOTIATIONS THAT THAT NEED TO BE DONE TO FINALIZE THIS, WOULD THE FINALIZE CONTRA, UH, LEASE COME BACK TO THE BOARD TO REVIEW MM-HMM
IT WOULD BE, SO IF, IF YOU WANT TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS, THEN YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO TABLE IT.
CAN WE APPROVE IT SUBJECT TO THE REV REVISIONS THAT YOU SENT AND IF THE BANK ACCEPTS THOSE AND THAT'S APPROVED, UM, UH, SORT OF LIKE IN A HOME PURCHASING SITUATION, THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS.
SO DO I HAVE A MOTION I MOVE THAT THE, UM, I MOVE THAT THIS IS TABLED UNTIL NEGOTIATIONS BETWEEN, UM, THE TWO ATTORNEYS ARE COMPLETED AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, UM, PERSONAL PROPERTY OF BOTH ENTITIES ARE IDENTIFIED? DO I HAVE A SECOND? IT LOOKS LIKE THAT THAT MOTION DIES.
DO I HAVE A A SECOND MOTION? WELL, YOU'RE BETTING A THOUSAND TONIGHT
YEAH, I, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT TABLING IT, BUT I, I WOULDN'T WANT TO, UH, BLOW OUT THE CLOSING DATE AND HAVE THEM GET A HIGHER INTEREST RATE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO I, I NOW UNDERSTAND THIS A LITTLE BETTER AND, AND THINK THAT UM, UH, THE MOTION HAS SOME PROTECTIONS BUILT IN.
SO I'LL, I'LL, UH, MOVE TO, UM, CAN YOU GO AHEAD AND READ THE MOTION? IT IS NOT ON SCREEN.
I MOVE THAT THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR BE AUTHORIZED TO EXECUTE THE LANDLORD'S RELEASE AND CONSENT WITH SUCH CHANGES AS ARE RECOMMENDED BY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.
[S. Public Comment Period for general comments not on the Agenda ]
COMMENT PERIOD FOR GENERAL COMMENTS NOT ON THE AGENDA.AGAIN, THIS IS A 30 MINUTE PERIOD AND UH, SPEAKERS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES.
WHO DO WE HAVE ON THE FOR SPEAKERS? UH, FIRST UP IS SAMANTHA.
GOOD FROM SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT.
SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD HAVE EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT SAMUEL'S FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY, DESPITE YOUR INABILITY TO IDENTIFY ANY ACTUAL FINANCIAL ISSUES.
IN FACT, SAMUELS PARTICIPATES IN AN ANNUAL AUDIT THAT IS CONDUCTED BY AN INDEPENDENT PARTY AND THE FINDINGS OF THE AUDITS CONDUCTED FOR THE PAST 17 YEARS, INCLUDING 2024, ARE AVAILABLE ON THEIR WEBSITE.
INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, AT YOUR LAST REGULAR MEETING ON FEBRUARY 4TH, IT WAS REPORTED THAT THE COUNTY'S 2024 AUDIT HAD NOT YET BEEN COMPLETED.
IN ADDITION, SUPERVISOR COOK ADMITTED DURING THE FIRST MEETING OF THE WARREN COUNTY LIBRARY BOARD ON JANUARY 29TH THAT ALL OF SAMUEL'S FINANCIAL INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE ON THEIR WEBSITE.
AND THAT MORE SPECIFIC INFORMATION IS DISCUSSED DURING SAMUEL'S BOARD OF TRUSTEES MEETINGS, WHICH ARE NOT ONLY OPEN TO THE PUBLIC BUT ALSO CONSISTS OF A MEMBER OF THIS BOARD.
SHOW ME WHERE THE ACTUAL ISSUE IS.
MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD HAVE ALSO ASSERTED THAT SAMUEL'S BOARD OF TRUSTEES HAS A LACK OF TAXPAYER REPRESENTATION AND THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE GREATER CONTROL OVER THE SELECTION OF TRUSTEES.
SAMUEL'S BOARD OF TRUSTEES IS COMPOSED OF 16 TAX PAYING CITIZENS FROM ALL FIVE DISTRICTS OF WARREN COUNTY, WHEREAS THE LIBRARY
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BOARD THAT YOU APPOINTED IS COMPOSED OF FIVE CITIZENS FROM ONLY THREE DISTRICTS.IN ADDITION, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO RECOMMEND AND VOTE ON CANDIDATES FOR POSITIONS ON SAMUEL'S BOARD OF TRUSTEES.
MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD ALSO QUESTION THE POLICY BY WHICH SAMUEL'S BOARD OF TRUSTEES HANDLES CONCERN FROM THE PUBLIC.
THE TRUSTEE DIRECTED YOU TO THEIR WEBSITE WHERE CITIZENS CAN FIND CONTACT INFORMATION FOR ALL OF THE TRUSTEES.
AND I WOULD BET THAT WARREN COUNTY CITIZENS WOULD HAVE A LESS DIFFICULT TIME GETTING A RESPONSE FROM MANY OF THE TRUSTEES THAN THEY HAVE HAD TRYING TO GET A RESPONSE FROM MANY OF YOU.
IN ADDITION, I BELIEVE THAT THE BOOK BANNERS OF 2023 PROVED THAT CITIZENS HAVE NO TROUBLE EXPRESSING THEIR CONCERNS TO THE LIBRARY AND THAT SAMUELS IS RESPONSIVE.
SPEAKING OF BOOK BANNING, MANY OF YOU AS WELL AS SEVERAL WARREN COUNTY LIBRARY BOARD MEMBERS HAVE INSISTED THAT THE ISSUE OF BOOK BANNING AND THE APPOINTMENT OF THE NEW LIBRARY BOARD ARE IN NO WAY RELATED YET.
YOU RECEIVED 26 APPLICATIONS FOR THE LIBRARY BOARD, INTERVIEWED ONLY SIX CANDIDATES, AND AT LEAST FOUR OF THE FIVE MEMBERS THAT YOU APPOINTED ARE EITHER KNOWN BOOK BANNERS OR SUPPORTERS OF BOOK BANNERS, INCLUDING SUPERVISOR COOK HERSELF.
PERHAPS YOU WILL CLAIM THAT THERE WERE ONLY SIX QUALIFIED CANDIDATES, BUT I KNOW OF AT LEAST THREE OTHER QUALIFIED CANDIDATES, INCLUDING ONE WHO IS AN ACTUAL LIBRARIAN WHO APPLIED FOR THE LIBRARY BOARD AND WERE NOT EVEN INTERVIEWED.
IN ADDITION, YOU MADE NO EFFORT TO COMMUNICATE AND OR COMPROMISE WITH SAMUELS BEFORE CREATING THE COUNTY LIBRARY BOARD AND HAVE YET TO ADDRESS THE GLARING ISSUE THAT YOU HAVE CREATED BY DOING SO, THE COUNTY LIBRARY BOARD'S GOVERNMENT OF THE FREE PUBLIC LIBRARY SYSTEM, AS THE STATED IN CHAPTER SEVEN OF THE WARREN COUNTY CODE OF ORDINANCES EXCLUDES THE POSSIBILITY OF A PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP WITH SAMUELS BECAUSE SUCH GOVERNMENT OVERSIGHT WOULD CAUSE SAMUELS TO LOSE ITS DESIGNATION AS A 5 0 1 C3, YOU ARE PUTTING SAMUELS IN A POSITION TO EITHER GIVE UP THEIR 5 0 1 C3 DESIGNATION AND SUBMIT TO YOUR GOVERNANCE OR SEEK ALTERNATIVE SOURCES OF FUNDING.
AND TAXPAYER MONEY SUPERVISOR CU REPORTED THAT YOU ARE ON TRACK TO SPEND OVER 100,000 ON THE, ON THIS ISSUE.
AND THAT DOESN'T EVEN INCLUDE THE COMMUNICATIONS COORDINATOR THAT YOU HAVE DECIDED TO HIRE TO ADDRESS YOUR POOR STANDING AMONG YOUR CONSTITUENTS.
NEXT, NEXT UP IS LESLIE MATTHEWS
I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER ADDRESSED A BOARD THIS LATE AND I DO HOPE THAT Y'ALL'S CHANGES ARE NOT TO DETER PEOPLE FROM COMING IN HERE AND SPEAKING.
LESLIE MATTHEWS, SOUTH RIVER, SOUTH RIVER'S BUSY TONIGHT,
UM, THE DEPARTMENT BUDGETS BEING REVIEWED INFLATED REAL ESTATE ASSESSMENTS COMPLETED.
FAMILIES ACROSS THIS COUNTY ARE STILL STRUGGLING.
RECENT REPORTS SHOW THAT THERE ARE 66 HOMELESS STUDENTS ATTENDING WARREN COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND OUR DSS HAS PROPOSED A BUDGET WITH 75% OF IT COVERING SALARIES OF BENEFITS, LEAVING ONLY 25% TO SERVE THE NEEDY HERE IN WARREN COUNTY.
SOME YEARS BACK, I WAS HERE IN THIS BUILDING SPEAKING TO DOUG STANLEY WHEN AN OLDER COLORED GENTLEMAN CAME UP TO HIM WITH $50 CASH IN HIS HAND, ASKING HIM TO PLEASE HAVE HIS NAME REMOVED FROM THE TAX DELINQUENCY LIST SO HE COULD RENEW HIS VEHICLE REGISTRATION HE OWED $400 AND 50 WAS ALL HE HAD AT THE TIME TO PUT TOWARDS HIS DELINQUENT TAX.
$400 MIGHT NOT SOUND LIKE A LOT TO SOME OF US, BUT HIS DESPERATION SPOKE VOLUMES.
OUR COUNTY HAS PEOPLE IN LEADERSHIP POSITIONS BENEFITING FROM THE TAXPAYERS BY HAVING ROADS PAVED AND MAINTAINED IN FRONT OF THEIR HOMES, RECEIVING THE RICH TOP SOIL FROM COUNTY PROJECTS AND NAMING BRIDGES IN HONOR OF THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS.
IT'S ALWAYS BEEN INSTILLED IN ME TO HONOR OR THAT HONOR ISN'T A GIVEN VIRTUE, BUT BECAUSE A PERSON PUTS ON A UNIFORM OR HAS TITLES LISTED BEHIND ONE'S NAME, IT STILL TAKES UPRIGHT CHARACTER TO ACHIEVE TO ACHIEVE HONOR.
THIS IS A PROVEN FACT AND THAT I WAS TAUGHT WELL AS WELL AS RECENTLY WITNESSED THE VERDICT GIVEN TO MR. INNOCENT, HIS FAMILY.
WARREN COUNTY HAS EXPERIENCED A $21 MILLION EMBEZZLEMENT.
WE THE TAXPAYERS NOT ONLY HAD THIS MONEY STOLEN, BUT WE'VE ONLY RECOUPED A SMALL PORTION AND WE STILL CONTINUE TO PAY FOR WHAT WAS STOLEN FROM US.
AND I'M NOT SWEARING HELL IS A REAL PLACE AND HELL IS A BAD PLACE.
THE CORRUPTION IN THIS SMALL TOWN RUNS DEEP AND IS WELL KNOWN THROUGHOUT.
HEY, I WASN'T EVEN ABLE TO OBTAIN A SEAT TO SERVE THIS COUNTY THROUGH LOCAL ELECTIONS, BUT MY NAME WAS LISTED IN THE ROLAND STONE FOR
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STANDING UP AND TRYING DR.TAXES SHOULD NOT BE A BURDEN ON THE PEOPLE, BUT RATHER FOR THE USE IN WORKING TOGETHER TO REBUILD OUR COMMUNITY.
I ASK EACH OF YOU TO SCRUTINIZE ALL THE DEPARTMENTS AND OUTSIDE AGENCIES PROPOSED BUDGETS.
WE THE PEOPLE ARE NOT PIGGY BANKS FOR THE DEPARTMENTS TO USE AS THEY PLEASE.
WE NEED A MUCH BETTER FINANCIAL DIRECTION AND A PASSION TOWARD WHAT HAS TAKEN PLACE AND WHAT WILL BE IN THIS COUNTY.
MAYBE WE SHOULD CONSIDER DOGE.
THAT'S ALL FOR SIGNATURE, SIR? UH OH.
I WAS THINKING THAT YOU'D SPOKEN ALREADY ONCE, BUT YOU HAVE IT.
I HAVE IT AND I'LL KEEP IT SHORT 'CAUSE IT REALLY IS PAST MY BEDTIME.
I'M IN THE NORTH RIVER DISTRICT.
IT AMAZES ME THAT ON DECEMBER 10TH, 110 PEOPLE SPOKE IN SUPPORT OF SAMUEL'S PUBLIC LIBRARY AND NOT BEING IN SUPPORT OF A WARREN COUNTY LIBRARY BOARD.
AND YOU DIDN'T SEEM TO TAKE ANY OF THAT INTO ACCOUNT AND THAT DOESN'T EVEN INCLUDE THE EMAILS.
UM, BUT TONIGHT JUST A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE FOR TWO PROPERTIES SPOKE AGAINST TWO SHORT TERM RENTALS AND IT WAS ENOUGH TO SWAY YOUR DECISION.
SO IT'S JUST MIND BOGGLING TO ME THAT 110 PEOPLE COULD TELL YOU THEY'RE NOT IN SUPPORT OF A WARREN COUNTY LIBRARY BOARD AND MS. COLORS.
I APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT OF NOT HAVING THE BOARD.
UM, SO IT'S JUST MIND BOGGLING TO ME.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE, UH, YES, SIR.
GEORGE KLEIN, UM, UH, FOURTH DISTRICT.
UM, JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE INFORMATION TONIGHT.
SO, UM, JULY, UH, JANUARY 21ST, THE NEW CODE CYCLE FOR THE, UH, BUILDING TOOK EFFECT.
UM, I JUST WANNA GIVE YOU A LITTLE UPDATE ON THAT.
UM, BECAUSE OF THIS UPDATE, UH, WE'RE GONNA PROBABLY SEE, UH, INCREASES ANYWHERES FROM 10 TO 15% ON HOUSE COST.
UM, JUST TO, UM, JUST TO NAME A FEW THINGS, UH, THAT'S GOING UP.
AND MOST OF THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE ENERGY CODE AND THEN THE, UM, BUT, UM, TWO OF THE, TWO OF THE BIG ITEMS THAT'S GOING TO DO THESE INCREASES, WHICH WE FEEL COULD HAVE AN IMPACT ON THIS COMMUNITY IS, UM, ELECTRICAL, UH, LOOKS LIKE, UH, WE'RE GONNA INCREASE ABOUT 55% PER HOUSE, UH, WITH ALL THESE NEW REGULATIONS COMING DOWN.
UM, THE HEATING AND AIR, EXCUSE ME, GEORGE, IS THAT MATERIALS OR IS THAT LABOR MATERIALS.
SO, SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE ELECTRICAL PORTION OF THE HOUSE WAS GONNA COST ABOUT 55, 50 5% MORE? YEP.
UM, THE HVAC, THERE'S A NEW, UH, FREE ON COMING.
UM, RIGHT NOW WE'RE, WE'RE DOING ANALYSIS TO TRY TO PINPOINT, WE WANT TO GET A COUPLE HOUSES UNDER THE, UNDER OUR BELT TO SEE WHERE WE'RE GONNA HIT, BUT RIGHT NOW IT LOOKS LIKE THE HVAC IS GOING TO INCREASE BY 15%.
UM, THE OVERALL PACKAGE OF, OF THE HOUSE, YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE AT LEAST 15% INCREASE, WHICH IS A PRETTY ASTRONOMICAL NUMBER.
IT'S ACTUALLY THE BIGGEST INCREASE THAT I'VE SEEN DONE ON PURPOSE AND NOT BY ACCIDENT.
UH, WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT THE CODE COUNCIL DOWN THERE AND THEY, THEY'RE COMING UP WITH ALL THESE THINGS AND ALL THIS STUFF WAS DONE ON PURPOSE.
UM, WE ARE THROUGH THE BUILDERS ASSOCIATION, UH, WORKING WITH THE, WE'RE GONNA BE WORKING WITH THE LOWER SOS TO TRY TO DETAIL SOME OF THESE INCREASES THAT ARE EXTREMELY COSTLY.
UM, AND THEN SHE'S GONNA PRESENT IT TO THE MR. KIN TO SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO.
BUT, UM, LIKE EVERY, EVERY BOX, EVERY CEILING BOX IN THE HOUSE NOW HAS TO BE A CEILING FAN BOX AND IT HAS TO BE AIRTIGHT.
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A TYPICAL BOX RUNS ABOUT 12 TO 15 BUCKS.AND THE CHEAPEST AIR BOX WE'VE FOUND SO FAR IS ABOUT 30 BUCKS PER BOX.
SO FOR THE, HUH? REQUIREMENT? FOR THE NEW REQUIREMENT.
FOR THE NEW REQUIREMENT FOR 30.
SO THANK, BUT I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU THAT INFORMATION.
THERE'LL BE OTHER STUFF COMING, BUT I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW IF YOU SEE HOUSE COSTS GOING UP, IT, IT CERTAINLY AIN'T BECAUSE WE'RE MAKING THE MONEY.
YEAH, IT'S, IT'S JUST THE, THE CODES THAT THEY PUT IN EFFECT.
SO, AND THIS IS STATE ESTATE? THE STATE STATE THAT ADOPTS CODE COUNCIL.
THEY'RE UP IN THE, UH, INSULATION VALUE.
IS IT 20? IS IT 20? WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE IN THE 2021 CODE.
UH, WE ALWAYS RUN ABOUT FOUR YEARS BEHIND.
UH, BUT THEY'RE UP IN THE INSULATION VALUES IN CEILINGS TO 68, WHICH IS A, DOESN'T, I MEAN, SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA, BUT IT CREATES ISSUES.
YOU HAVE TO DO TALLER TRUSSES, BIGGER HEELS TO GET THOSE INSULATION BATS IN THERE.
SO IT'S ALL ACROSS THE BOARD, BUT JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW.
SO THE, UH, THE TWO NEW ITEMS THAT WE'VE GOT
[T. Additional New Business]
ON THE, THE, UM, FOR NEW BUSINESS, UH, THE FIRST ONE IS THAT WOULD BE THE ALTERNATE APPOINTMENT TO THE COMMUNITY POLICY AND MANAGEMENT TEAM.UM, THE REASON FOR THIS IS, UM, THE CSA COORDINATOR IS GOING TO BE OUT FOR A MONTH FOR SURGERY.
UM, SO SHE'S GOING TO NEED SOMEONE TO SET IN AS DOING HER JOB AND JOHN MARTS WAS THE CHOSEN ONE TO DO THAT.
HE'S NOT LISTED AS A MEMBER OF THE CPMT, SO HE NEEDS TO BE ADDED AS AN ALTERNATE IN ORDER TO PARTICIPATE.
ANY DISCUSSION? DO I HAVE A MOTION? I MOVE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPOINT JOHN MARS DSS DIRECTOR AS AN ALTERNATE ON THE CPMT TO JANELLE CLARK CSA COORDINATOR.
I HAVE A SECOND, SECOND ROLL CALL.
MR. AND THE, UH, THE LAST, UM, THE LAST ONE IS THE APPOINTMENT OF MR. FOX TO THE, UM, UH, EDA? YES SIR.
SO ANY, I THINK WE'VE ALREADY HAD DISCUSSION ON THAT.
DO I HAVE A, DO I HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, THE LONGEST TERM THAT YOU COULD CHOOSE IS ONE ENDING 2 28.
SO DO, DO I HAVE A MOTION? DOES A MOTION, SORRY.
SO DOES THAT HAVE TO, DOES THAT HAVE TO BE INCLUDED IN THE MOTION? YES.
NEED SOMETHING TO READ? I GOT IT.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPOINT MR. JAMIE FOX TO THE WARREN COUNTY FRONT ROYAL, PARDON ME? THE FRONT ROYAL WARREN COUNTY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY FOR A FOUR YEAR TERM TO END, UH, 2 29.
THIS IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE, UM, JUST UNDER THAT.
IT'S GONNA BE, WELL IT'S FOUR BECAUSE IT'S 24 TO OH YEAH.
YOU'VE GOT THAT RIGHT? YES SIR.
SO DO I HAVE A SECOND, SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR OF ADJOURNING? AYE.