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          SESSION TO ORDER. 
          AND, UH, I'VE ALREADY LET THE, UH, THE BOARD OF SUPERVI SUPERVISORS KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA MIX THE, THE, UH, AGENDA UP JUST A LITTLE BIT. 
          WE'RE GOING TO START WITH, UH, MR. BARRY DUNN, FOLLOWED BY, UH, CONCERN HOTLINE, THEN SOCIAL SERVICES, THEN THE, UH, OLD DOMINION, AND THEN WE'LL GO WITH PUBLIC COMMENT, UH, PERIOD STRUCTURE, UH, AGRICULTURAL FOREST DISTRICTS, UH, ADVISORY COMMITTEE, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND THEN, UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE, UH, PLAN. 
          AND THEN WE WILL ADJOURN. 
          ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, SO WE'LL 
          [D. Berry Dunn Presentation for Finance Software]
START WITH, UH, MR. BARRY DUNN. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. 
          A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, WE DISCUSSED THE IMPORTANCE AS A, A BOARD GOAL OF LOOKING INTO, UM, A NEW FINANCIAL SYSTEM. 
          AND BARRY DUNN IS A TECHNOLOGY CONSULTANT THAT PROVIDES SERVICES TO LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, UM, WHO ARE IN THE PROCESS THAT WE ARE IN, UH, LOOKING INTO WHICH SOFTWARE WOULD BE IN THE COUNTY'S BEST INTEREST. 
          SO, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOU TO JONATHAN GRACE FROM BARRY DUNN. 
          UM, HE'S GONNA BE GIVING A PRESENTATION AND ANSWERING QUESTIONS THROUGHOUT. 
          AND OF COURSE, I'LL BE HERE FOR QUESTIONS AS WELL. 
          AND MR. JONES IS HERE, TOO. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          UH, BEFORE THIS GENTLEMAN GETS STARTED, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A NOTE THAT, UH, MS. UH, COOK IS ON HER WAY BACK FROM CALIFORNIA RIGHT NOW, SO SHE WILL NOT BE AT THE SESSION. 
          SO THANK YOU MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. 
          UH, THIS ALICIA, UH, ALYSSA INDICATED MY NAME IS JOHN GRACE. 
          UM, WE'LL BE DOING SOME ADDITIONAL INTRODUCTIONS MOMENTARILY. 
          I DID PUT TOGETHER A PRESENTATION TO KIND OF HELP GUIDE THE CONVERSATION, UH, FOR TODAY AS WE GO THROUGH, UH, AGAIN, I'LL DO SOME BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE FIRM, TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UH, THE PRACTICE THAT I OVERSEE. 
          UH, WE'LL TALK ABOUT OUR EXPERIENCE, UH, IN THE COMMONWEALTH. 
          UH, WE'VE DONE THIS WITH OTHER CITIES, COUNTIES, TOWNS, AND, AND SCHOOLS WITHIN THE COMMONWEALTH. 
          WE'LL GO THROUGH AND, AND DISCUSS WHAT WE WOULD SEE AS THE PROJECT APPROACH. 
          UM, AND THEN WE DO HAVE IN THE SLIDES SOME OF THE COOPERATIVE AGREEMENTS THAT WE'RE ON, UM, BOTH WITHIN THE COMMONWEALTH AS WELL AS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. 
          UH, AND THEN WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME OF THE TRENDS THAT WE'RE SEEING, UM, AGAIN, SPECIFICALLY WITHIN, UH, THE COMMONWEALTH. 
          AND THEN HOW, HOW, HOW CAN WE HELP, UH, THROUGH THIS PROCESS AS WE GO THROUGH. 
          FEEL FREE TO ASK QUESTIONS. 
          YOU KNOW, I DID HAVE A SLIDE FOR OPEN DISCUSSION AT THE END, BUT YOU KNOW, VERY MUCH, UH, OPEN TO HAVING, UH, OPEN DIALOGUE AS WE GO THROUGH. 
          SO, AGAIN, UH, JOHN GRACE, UH, WITH BARRY DUNN. 
          I AM A PRINCIPAL IN OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT PRACTICE GROUP AND LEAD OUR ENTERPRISE DIGITAL TRANSFORMATION PRACTICE. 
          I'VE BEEN WITH THE FIRM FOR 13 YEARS NOW, AND THEN PRIOR TO JOINING, BARRY DUNN ACTUALLY PROVIDED, UH, ERP SYSTEMS TO THE PUBLIC SECTOR AND DID THAT FOR 12 YEARS. 
          SO, ALL OF MY TENURE IN SOME FORM OR FASHION HAS BEEN WORKING WITH PUBLIC SECTOR ORGANIZATIONS. 
          UM, BARRY DUNN AS A FIRM WAS ACTUALLY FOUNDED IN 1974, AND AT THAT TIME, PRO, UM, FORMED AS A CPA FIRM, AN ACCOUNTING FIRM IN NEW ENGLAND. 
          UM, WE STILL HAVE OUR HEADQUARTERS TODAY IN PORTLAND, MAINE, BUT WE ACTUALLY NOW HAVE 10 OFFICES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. 
          AND WHILE WE STILL DO PROVIDE THOSE ACCOUNTING AND CPA SERVICES IN THE NEW ENGLAND AREA, OUR CONSULTING SERVICES REALLY TAKES US ACROSS THE COUNTRY. 
          UH, AND A MAJORITY OF THAT CONSULTING WORK IS WITH PUBLIC SECTOR ORGANIZATIONS. 
          WITHIN OUR, WHAT WE CALL OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT PRACTICE GROUP, WE HAVE DIFFERENT PRACTICES. 
          SO AS YOU SEE, WE HAVE, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE, UH, BUT WE HAVE, UH, ENTERPRISE ORGANIZATIONAL DEVELOPMENT, ENTERPRISE DIGITAL TRANSFORMATION, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, UTILITY OPERATIONS, PARKS, RECREATION AND LIBRARIES, TECHNOLOGY MANAGEMENT, HEALTH AND COMMUNITY SERVICES, AND JUSTICE AND PUBLIC SAFETY. 
          AND THE REASON WHY I BRING THIS UP IS THAT FOR ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT PRACTICES, ALL THE FOLKS THAT ARE IN THOSE, WE ONLY WORK WITH PUBLIC SECTOR ORGANIZATIONS DAY IN AND DAY OUT. 
          WE ALSO HAVE OTHER PRACTICES AND PRACTICE GROUPS OUTSIDE OF OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT CONSULTING GROUP. 
          UM, WE HAVE A STATE PRACTICE GROUP AS WELL AS A MEDICAID PRACTICE GROUP. 
          BUT, UH, THE GROUP THAT I'M IN AND, AND THE TEAM THAT I OVERSEE, UH, WE ONLY WORK WITH PUBLIC SECTOR ORGANIZATIONS DAY IN AND DAY OUT. 
          UM, AND THROUGH THESE PROJECTS, IT IS FAIRLY COMMON THAT IF WE NEED TO PULL IN FOLKS FROM THOSE DIFFERENT PRACTICES, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO SO. 
          I LEAD OUR, UM, ENTERPRISE DIGITAL TRANSFORMATION PRACTICE. 
          SO THE, THE, THE TEAM THAT I OVERSEE, THE FOLKS THAT I OVERSEE, WOULD BE THE ONES THAT WOULD BE PROVIDING THESE SERVICES, UH, TO, TO THE COUNTY. 
          SO YOU SEE HERE, WE'VE GOT A FAIRLY LONG LIST OF THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS AND THE DIFFERENT SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE. 
          THIS RANGES FROM BUSINESS PROCESS REVIEW OR PROCESS MAPPING, UH, ANY SORT OF SYSTEM ASSESSMENT, 
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PLANNING, AND PROCUREMENT. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT I'LL BE KIND OF DISCUSSING AND GOING THROUGH WITH, UH, WITH YOU FOLKS TODAY. 
          UM, THROUGH THAT, WE ALSO PROVIDE OUR, OUR CLIENTS WITH CERTAIN LEVELS OF PROJECT MANAGEMENT FOR THESE SYSTEMS THAT THEY SELECT. 
          UM, WE ALSO PROVIDE QUALITY ASSURANCE, INDEPENDENT VERIFICATION AND VALIDATION, AS WELL AS PERFORMANCE ANALYSIS. 
          THOSE TEND TO BE ON SOME OF THOSE, UH, LARGER PROJECTS. 
          AND THEN REALLY THROUGHOUT OUR, ALL OF OUR PROJECTS, WE HAVE SOME LEVEL OF ORGANIZATIONAL CHANGE MANAGEMENT. 
          THE ONE THING I DID WANNA NOTE, UM, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE MOVE ON IS MYSELF AND OTHERS, WELL, WE DO HAVE FOLKS THAT HAVE PRIOR, UH, VENDOR EXPERIENCE AND WORK FOR VENDORS. 
          WE ARE NOT AFFILIATED WITH ANY VENDORS. 
          WE'RE INDEPENDENT FROM THE VENDOR COMMUNITY. 
          SO ALL THE WORK THAT WE DO, ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE MAKE TRULY ARE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR CLIENTS. 
          WE ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE VENDORS IN THE MARKETPLACE. 
          UH, BUT LIKE I SAID, BY NO MEANS ARE WE PARTNERED WITH ANY OF THOSE VENDORS. 
          SO, SO JUST TO, JUST TO CLARIFY. 
          YES, SIR. 
          WITH YOU, THEN WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, IS THAT YOU, YOU DON'T, UH, YOU DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC SET OF SOFTWARE THAT YOU USE. 
          YOU, UH, YOU, YOU WORK WITH A CLIENT, YOU TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE, AND THEN YOU SAY, OKAY, I'VE GOT THIS WHOLE LIST OF, OF, OF, UH, OF SOFTWARE AND, AND TOOLS TO WORK WITH. 
          THESE ARE THE ONES THAT, BASED ON WHAT YOUR NEEDS ARE, THESE ARE THE ONES THAT WE RECOMMEND. 
          AND, AND THROUGH THAT PROCESS, UH, WE ALSO GO THROUGH AND SAY AND, AND DEVELOP REQUIREMENTS FOR WHAT DO YOU, YOU KNOW, WHERE DO YOU CURRENTLY DOING TODAY, WHAT DO YOU NEED THAT NEW SYSTEM TO DO, THAT FUTURE SYSTEM TO DO, GOING THROUGH THAT RFP PROCESS, UM, YOU KNOW, REQUEST FOR A PROPOSAL PROCESS TO IDENTIFY, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS AVAILABLE AND WHAT IS IN THAT MARKETPLACE. 
          AS WE GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS, WE WILL ABSOLUTELY, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS AND FEEDBACK. 
          IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WHEN WE GET TO, UH, IDENTIFYING THAT VENDOR, THAT, THAT WE ARE NOT A VOTING MEMBER, RIGHT? WE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE KINDA KEEPING, UM, KEEPING THAT TO, TO THE COUNTY, BUT WE ABSOLUTELY, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS THROUGH THIS PROCESS. 
          SO ARE, ARE YOU ESTABLISHING A NEW PROCESS BEFORE YOU, YOU RECOMMEND THE SOFTWARE? NOT, UH, NOT NECESSARILY. 
          WE MAY NOT BE CHANGING ANY EXISTING PROCESSES. 
          I WILL SAY THROUGH THIS PROCESS, IT'S VERY COMMON THAT WE MAY IDENTIFY SOME CHALLENGES THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED, MOST LIKELY IN A FUTURE SYSTEM. 
          HOWEVER, WITH THAT BEING SAID, THERE COULD BE INSTANCES WHERE THERE COULD BE SOME SLIGHT CHANGES TO EXISTING PROCESSES IN PREPARATION FOR A NEW SYSTEM. 
          IT'S ALSO PRETTY COMMON THROUGH THIS, BECAUSE WE GET DIFFERENT GROUPS, UH, ACROSS THE COUNTY FROM DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. 
          AS WE GO THROUGH AND GATHER INFORMATION, THEY'LL ACTUALLY LEARN ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS, CERTAIN PROCESSES THAT MAY, THEY MAY NOT HAVE KNOWN, UH, PREVIOUSLY. 
          SO THERE'S A LOT OF KNOWLEDGE SHARING THAT'S DONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS. 
          BUT, BUT IF YOU HAVE A GANGED UP PROCESS, YOU'RE NOT GONNA AUTOMATE THAT, ARE YOU? UM, IN A, IN A, IN A NEW SYSTEM, THERE'S SOME PROCESSES THAT, UM, COULD BE AUTOMATED. 
          THERE ARE SOME THAT, YOU KNOW, IN SOME INSTANCES MAY NOT BE ABLE TO BE AUTOMATED. 
          UM, AS WE GO THROUGH THIS DISCUSSION THOUGH, YOU KNOW, WE IDENTIFY ANY OF THOSE AREAS THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS A PROCESS THAT WE PROBABLY WANNA LOOK AT CHANGING IN A NEW SYSTEM. 
          OKAY. 
          GOOD QUESTION. 
          ON THE, UH, CURRENT SLIDE. 
          WHAT IS THE DISTINCTION FOR THE LOCALITIES THAT ARE IN BOLDFACE? ABSOLUTELY. 
          SO IN THIS LIST, THESE ARE ALL THE CLIENTS THAT WE'VE DONE WORK IN THE COMMONWEALTH. 
          THE ONES THAT ARE BOLD ARE CLIENTS, CITIES AND COUNTIES WHERE WE'VE DONE SIMILAR TYPES OF WORK LIKE THIS. 
          SO HELPED THEM GO THROUGH AN ASSESSMENT OF THEIR EXISTING FINANCIAL SYSTEM, ERP SYSTEM, HR, PAYROLL SYSTEM. 
          SO THOSE ARE ALL VERY SIMILAR CLIENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN IN YOUR WORK, YOU, YOU ASSESS AND POTENTIALLY MAP SOME PROCESSES, BUT IDENTIFY PROBLEMS AND REQUIREMENTS, CORRECT. 
          AND POTENTIALLY RECOMMEND VENDORS, BUT, BUT DON'T HAVE A VOTE IN SELECTING THE VENDOR OR VENDORS THEN AFTER SOMETHING IS PROCURED. 
          ARE YOU STILL AROUND TO HELP WITH IMPLEMENTATION? UM, OR IS THAT, UH, WOULD THAT BE ANOTHER OUTFIT WHO WOULD DO THAT? WE, WE DO PROVIDE CERTAIN LEVELS OF PROJECT MANAGEMENT IN THOSE IMPLEMENTATIONS, BUT WE'RE NOT, UM, KIND OF DOING THE CONFIGURATION OF THE SYSTEMS, DOING THE TRAINING OF THE SYSTEMS. MOST OF OUR CLIENTS WILL KEEP US ON IN SOME FORM OR FASHION, WHETHER WE'RE SERVING AS THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE CLIENT, OR PROVIDING OVERSIGHT OF THAT, ASSISTING, UH, THE ORGANIZATION THROUGH THAT IMPLEMENTATION. 
          OKAY. 
          YEP. 
          YEP. 
          SO, LOOKING THROUGH THE LIST, UM, YOU KNOW, THE ONES TO NOTE WE'RE ACTUALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, DOING WORK RIGHT NOW WITH THE TOWN, AND THEY RECEIVED PROPOSALS LAST MONTH. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, FOR THEIR EXISTING SYSTEM, UM, OBVIOUSLY A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, RIGHT? FOR, FOR, FOR THEM IN THAT RFP THAT WE WORKED WITH THE TOWN, IT WAS MORE SPECIFIC TO, UH, AN ENTERPRISE RESOURCE PLANNING SYSTEM OR AN ERP SYSTEM. 
          AND THEN WE ALSO INCLUDED, UH, UTILITY BILLING, UH, IN THAT AS WELL. 
          UM, 
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AS WE GO THROUGH, AND WE'VE DONE WORK WITH VARIOUS LOCALITIES THROUGHOUT THE COMMONWEALTH, IT'S VERY COMMON WHERE WE'LL DO THESE ASSESSMENTS FOR A LOT, YOU KNOW, THE SYSTEM THAT A LOT OF ORGANIZATIONS ARE USING TODAY, THAT'S DOING EVERYTHING. 
          WHEN WE LOOK AT THE NEW SYSTEMS THAT ARE AVAILABLE IN THE MARKETPLACE, THERE ARE SYSTEMS THAT DO EVERYTHING END TO END, BUT THERE ARE ALSO SYSTEMS THAT DO STANDALONE. 
          SO AS WE GO THROUGH THESE, UH, UH, ASSESSMENTS AND PROCESSES, WE WORK WITH OUR CLIENTS TO SAY, OKAY, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE HIGHEST PRIORITY? RIGHT? WHICH SYSTEM OR SYSTEMS, YOU KNOW, DO, DOES THE COUNTY OR THE CLIENT WANT TO LOOK TO REPLACE NOW? AND KIND OF GO THROUGH THAT PRIORITIZATION PROCESS. 
          'CAUSE THAT CAN BE A, A, A FAIRLY BIG LIFT TO TRY TO REPLACE, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE SYSTEMS AT ONCE. 
          THE ONE THAT'S NOT ON THE LIST, UM, THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY ALSO WORKING WITH NOW IS FOCER COUNTY THROUGH, UM, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING THEM WITH PROJECT MANAGEMENT FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THEIR, UH, ERP SYSTEM. 
          SO IT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT HARD TO READ HERE. 
          UM, BUT WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WE'VE PUT TOGETHER HERE IS HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND AS OUR APPROACH FOR THIS PROJECT. 
          WE'VE GOT IT BROKEN OUT IN THREE DIFFERENT PHASES. 
          THE FIRST PHASE IS REALLY WHERE WE KIND OF GO THROUGH AND DO THE ASSESSMENT, UH, OF YOUR, OF YOUR CURRENT SYSTEM OR SYSTEMS, PUT TOGETHER WHAT WE WOULD SEE AS A, A REPLACEMENT STRATEGY. 
          AND THEN FROM THERE, GOING INTO PHASE TWO TO DEVELOPING THE RFP, DEVELOPING THE REQUIREMENTS. 
          AND THEN, YOU KNOW, FOR, AGAIN, FOR A LOT OF OUR CLIENTS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PHASE THREE IS THE IMPLEMENTATION. 
          UH, AND WE TYPICALLY HAVE THAT AS OPTIONAL. 
          UM, WE, I DO HAVE MORE SLIDES THAT GOES INTO EACH OF THESE IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL, BUT WANTED TO SHOW AT A HIGH LEVEL THE OVERALL APPROACH THAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND FOR, UH, FOR THE COUNTY FOR THIS PROJECT. 
          SO WHEN WE LOOK AT OVERVIEW OF OUR APPROACH, UM, IT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE BENEFITS, IT IS A METHODOLOGY THAT, UM, IT'S PROVEN. 
          WE'VE USED IT WITH OTHER ORGANIZATIONS. 
          WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY, AND IT'S VERY COMMON WITH OUR METHODOLOGY AND OUR APPROACH THAT WE'LL ADJUST IT TO, TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE CLIENTS. 
          SO, AS WE WENT THROUGH AND AS WE'LL GO THROUGH AND TALK ABOUT THE APPROACH, THE PHASES AND THE DELIVERABLES, UH, WE'RE ALWAYS OPEN TO ADJUSTING THAT BASED ON THE NEEDS, UM, OF, OF EACH CLIENT. 
          UM, AS WE GO THROUGH EACH OF THE PROJECTS, WE AL ALWAYS HAVE CERTAIN QUALITY ASSURANCE PROCESSES IN PLACE, MEANING, UH, WHEN WE GO THROUGH, WE PROVIDE A DELIVERABLE, WE ALWAYS WANNA PROVIDE THAT. 
          UM, AND, AND I'LL CALL IT A DRAFT FORM SO THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO COLLABORATE ON IT. 
          SO IT'S NOT A FINAL DELIVERABLE. 
          EVERYTHING THAT WE DO, YOU, WE REALLY WANT THAT COLLABORATION WITH OUR CLIENTS FOR ALL OF OUR PROJECTS. 
          UM, WE HAVE BUILT IN PROJECT MANAGEMENT AND CHANGE MANAGEMENT BEST PRACTICES. 
          SO EVERYTHING THAT WE DO FROM A PROJECT MANAGEMENT STANDPOINT FOLLOWS, UH, PMI, THE PROJECT MANAGEMENT INSTITUTE, UH, AND THEIR BODY OF KNOWLEDGE. 
          BUT WE ALSO KIND OF BAKE IN CHANGE MANAGEMENT THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT. 
          AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS, AS WE GO THROUGH, EVEN GETTING FOLKS TO THE TABLE TALKING ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY DOING TODAY, TALKING ABOUT THEIR CHALLENGES, THAT'S ONE OF THE FIRST STEPS, RIGHT? IN CHANGE MANAGEMENT, RIGHT? REALLY ALLOWING FOLKS TO HAVE THEIR, THEIR VOICES HEARD. 
          AND THEN WE'LL DO THAT THROUGHOUT, THROUGHOUT THE DIFFERENT PHASES OF THE PROJECT, CONTINUE TO GET FOLKS INVOLVED SO THAT ONCE WE GET TO IDENTIFYING THAT SYSTEM AND WE GET TO IMPLEMENTING THAT SYSTEM, THERE SHOULD BE A LITTLE BIT LESS CHANGE RESISTANCE. 
          UM, AT THAT TIME WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR NEEDS ASSESSMENT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LOOK AT THIS AND ASSESS, YOU KNOW, THE SYSTEMS THAT YOU'RE CURRENTLY USING TODAY. 
          SO REALLY LOOK AT THAT FULL SCOPE. 
          UH, AND THEN AS WE GO THROUGH, WE DO TRY TO IDENTIFY SOME OF THOSE AREAS FOR IMPROVEMENT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE INSTANCES WHERE SOME OF THAT MAY HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE IMPLEMENTATION, BUT THERE COULD BE INSTANCES WHERE THERE COULD BE SOME SLIGHT CHANGES TO A CERTAIN PROCESS. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE TODAY, BUT WE ALSO LOOK AT THAT, UM, THROUGH THESE PROJECTS. 
          AND THEN WE ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE FOCUSING ON HOW CAN WE BEST UTILIZE THE TECHNOLOGY THAT'S AVAILABLE, RIGHT? WHAT ARE THE BEST PRACTICES THAT WE COULD PULL FROM THOSE SYSTEMS INTO OUR DAY-TO-DAY ACTIVITIES, INTO OUR DAY-TO-DAY PROCESSES? IT'S VERY COMMON AS WE GO THROUGH THESE, UM, THAT, THAT WE'LL HEAR WHAT ARE THE, YOU KNOW, THE CURRENT PRACTICES. 
          AND SOMETIMES IT'S, WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY IT'S ALWAYS BEEN, RIGHT? OR, UM, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW, SO AND SO TAUGHT ME BEFORE, DOESN'T MEAN IT'S RIGHT, DOESN'T MEAN IT'S WRONG. 
          BUT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE PROCESSES AND SEE WHAT CAN BE CHANGED THROUGH, UM, THROUGH THESE PROJECTS. 
          AND THEN, AGAIN, LOOKING AT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE DIFFERENT AREAS THAT WE'D BE LOOKING AT, WE, WE FEEL CONFIDENT THAT WE'D BE ABLE TO ASSESS ALL OF THE SYSTEMS. CAN I ASK YOU A QUICK QUESTION HERE? YEAH. 
          W WOULD YOU SAY THAT, UH, GI GIVEN THE, THE, THE, THE NUMBER OF CLIENTS THAT YOU WORK WITH IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR THAT ARE DEALING WITH THESE FINANCIAL SYSTEMS, THAT THE SYSTEMS AND THE TECHNOLOGIES THAT ARE BEING SOLD INTO THE MARKETPLACE ARE LARGELY COMPLIANT WITH BEST PRACTICES, AND THAT WHEN YOU COME INTO AN ENVIRONMENT, YOU SEE A BIG RANGE OF PRACTICES AND THAT YOU, YOU, THERE COULD BE A HUGE AMOUNT OF WORK TO CONFIGURE SOMETHING 
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TO A PRACTICE THAT'S NOT BEST PRACTICES, OR MAYBE IT'S DOWNRIGHT WEIRD. 
          YEP. 
          BUT THE FIRST QUESTION IS, ARE THE, ARE THE BEST PRODUCTS IN THE MARKETPLACE SET UP TO WORK FOR BEST PRACTICES? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          YES, THEY ARE. 
          UM, WITHIN EACH OF THE SYSTEMS, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE DIFFERENT, UM, DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO THESE PROCESSES, RIGHT? DIFFERENT CONFIGURATIONS IN THE SYSTEMS. UM, THROUGH ALL OF THOSE CONFIGURATIONS, IT STILL IS KIND OF IN MIND OF, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT BEST PRACTICE IN MIND, OKAY? BECAUSE YOU, YOU CAN GET CONFIGURATION MANIA TO THE POINT WHERE YOU'RE AT THE VERY EDGE OF WHAT IT'S REALLY ACTUALLY FOR, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, YEAH. 
          WHEN WE'RE, WHEN WE'RE INVOLVED IN, IN, IN THESE PROJECTS, ESPECIALLY IN THE IMPLEMENTATION, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT CONFIGURING THIS SYSTEM, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL BE IN THOSE SESSIONS AND WE'LL STILL WANT THE VENDOR TO FACILITATE AND DRIVE THOSE. 
          BUT AS WE'RE IN THOSE AND WE HEAR DISCUSSIONS ABOUT CONFIGURATION THAT MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE BEST PRACTICE, RIGHT? OR, YOU KNOW, WE MAY BE LOOKING TO CONFIGURE THE SYSTEM BASED ON WHAT THE EXISTING SYSTEM IS CONFIGURED. 
          YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHEN WE'LL JUMP IN AND SAY, WELL, LET'S, LET'S LOOK AT THESE OTHER TYPES OF CONFIGURATIONS. 
          OKAY? AND I JUST WANNA SAY, I THINK THAT'S THE VALUE OF PROPOSITION HERE, UH, THAT, THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE MAKING, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN IN, SO LIKE FOR 30 YEARS MEETINGS WHERE A CLIENT WILL SAY, WELL, CAN IT DO THIS? AND THE SALESMAN SAYS THEY CAN DO EVERYTHING , RIGHT? SO, UM, YOU END UP GETTING STEERED TO BAD PRACTICE BECAUSE OF THOSE TYPES OF LEADING QUESTIONS. 
          YEP. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, AND, AND, AND I THINK THROUGH THIS TOO, IS THESE SYSTEMS HAVE A LOT OF FUNCTIONALITY IN 'EM, RIGHT? AND IT TAKES A WHILE TO LEARN THAT FUNCTIONALITY AND TRYING TO SET UP FROM DAY ONE, ALL THE BELLS AND WHISTLES, RIGHT? YOU DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO DO THAT IN DAY ONE. 
          WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE SYSTEM HAS THAT CAPABILITY, BUT WE ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU CAN GROW INTO THAT SYSTEM, RIGHT? AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU DO HAVE THE ABILITY, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY NOT DO IT ON DAY ONE, BUT YOU WANNA MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE DAY 20 YOU CAN DO THAT, RIGHT? SO WHEN WE LOOK AT PHASE ONE, UM, AGAIN, THIS IS WHEN WE REALLY START TO, UH, DO A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          UM, WHEN WE LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE OVERALL OBJECTIVE FOR THE PHASE ONE IS A NUMBER OF THINGS. 
          THE FIRST IS TO REALLY KIND OF SET THE STAGE FOR THE PROJECT. 
          AND BY DOING THAT, WE DO THAT BY DEVELOPING A PROJECT, WORK PLAN AND SCHEDULE, RIGHT? SO OVERALL, WHAT'S THE OVERALL SCOPE OF THE WORK THAT WE'RE GONNA DO? WHAT'S THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORK THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO? WE'LL DO THAT THROUGH SOME INITIAL PROJECT PLANNING WITH THE, UH, COUNTY PROJECT MANAGEMENT TEAM, AND THEN OUR TEAM. 
          AND THEN THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT, WE'LL ALSO DO BI-WEEKLY STATUS UPDATES, RIGHT? JUST TO BASICALLY SAY, OKAY, HERE ARE THE ACTION ITEMS, HERE ARE THE, HERE ARE UPCOMING ACTIVITIES, HERE, ARE PAST ACTIVITIES, ALL OF THAT SURROUNDING THE OVERALL PROJECT PLAN TO MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE STAYING ON TIME, ON BUDGET, AND ON TASK. 
          AS WE START TO RAMP UP FOR SOME OF THOSE INITIAL ASSESSMENT ACTIVITIES, WE'LL ALSO DO, UM, INFORMATION REQUESTS. 
          SO WE WILL PUT TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, A, UH, ESSENTIALLY A DOCUMENT SAYS, HERE'S SOME INFORMATION THAT WE'D LIKE TO RECEIVE BEFORE WE ACTUALLY START DOING SOME OF OUR INFORMATION GATHERING. 
          WE'LL ALSO DO A WEB SURVEY, RIGHT? SO FOR END USERS TO BE ABLE TO, UM, RESPOND TO THAT SURVEY. 
          UH, AND IT'S ANONYMOUS SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WANT SOME OPEN AND HONEST FEEDBACK. 
          ALL OF THAT LEADS UP TO WHEN WE COME ON SITE, USUALLY MEET, UM, BY WHAT WE CALL FUNCTIONAL AREA, RIGHT? SO WE'LL GET FOLKS ACROSS THE, THE, THE COUNTY THAT, LET'S SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY PROCESS ACCOUNTS PAYROLL, RIGHT? OR THEY PROCESS PURCHASE ORDERS, PROCESS PAYROLL. 
          WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL TALK ABOUT EACH OF THOSE FUNCTIONAL AREAS ACROSS DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS SO THAT WE'RE NOT HAVING TO NECESSARILY MEET BY DEPARTMENT. 
          WE'RE GETTING THOSE GROUPS OF FOLKS TOGETHER THAT PERFORM THAT FUNCTION. 
          AND WE'LL DO THAT OVER A, A COURSE OF TWO, THREE DAYS IN ORDER TO REALLY DIG INTO WHAT ARE YOU CURRENTLY DOING TODAY? WHAT'S WORKING WELL, WHAT ISN'T, WHAT ARE THE HEIRS THAT WE WANT TO IMPROVE UPON? UM, AND THAT ENDS UP LEADING TO, UM, A NEEDS ASSESSMENT MEMO THAT ESSENTIALLY ENCAPSULATES EVERYTHING FROM OUR INFORMATION GATHERING ACTIVITIES. 
          UM, THROUGH THIS PHASE, WE WOULD ALSO DO WHAT WE CALL A REQUEST FOR INFORMATION, AN RFI. 
          AND WE WOULD DO THAT TO THE VENDOR COMMUNITY TO IDENTIFY, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE VENDOR MARKETPLACE HAS AVAILABLE FOR, UH, FUNCTIONALITY, FOR MODULES, FOR COST IMPLEMENTATION. 
          SO THAT BEFORE WE EVEN GET INTO DEVELOPING THE RFP, WE'LL HAVE AN IDEA AS TO WHAT THE MARKETPLACE HAS AVAILABLE, WHAT THE COST WOULD BE, WHAT THE IMPLEMENTATION TIMELINES WOULD BE. 
          UM, AND THEN THROUGH THAT WE ALSO WOULD DO, UM, PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, SIX TO EIGHT VENDORS. 
          WE DO WHAT WE CALL VENDOR OUTREACH SESSIONS. 
          SO AGAIN, BEFORE WE RELEASE AN RFP HAVE VENDORS, UM, USUALLY VIRTUAL, DO ABOUT A TWO HOUR, TWO TO THREE HOUR PRESENTATION, UM, AND AN OVERVIEW OF THEIR SYSTEMS SO THAT FOLKS WILL ACTUALLY START TO SEE WHAT THESE NEW SYSTEMS CAN DO, UM, AS WE PREPARE TO RELEASE THE RFP. 
          SO THIS IS WHERE, AGAIN, WE'RE REALLY SPENDING A LOT OF TIME LEARNING ABOUT WHAT, WHAT 
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YOU'RE CURRENTLY DOING, DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE INPUT INTO THE DI A DIRECTION OF THEIR PRESENTATIONS? AND THOSE SPECIFIC TO THE CLIENT. 
          LIKE, OUR SITUATION IS THIS, YOU TELL THIS VENDOR, THESE PEOPLE'S NEEDS ARE PARTICULARLY IN THIS AREA. 
          SO THOSE PRESENTATIONS AREN'T LIKE, LOOK AT ALL THIS, LOOK AT ALL THIS AND ALL THIS GREAT STUFF WE CAN DO. 
          DID IT BASICALLY HITS THE SWEET SPOT. 
          YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU, YOU ESSENTIALLY HELP THEM DRIVE TO MEET THE REQUIREMENT HERE? YES. 
          WE HAVE A STARTING, WHICH IS A GREAT SEGUE. 
          WE ACTUALLY HAVE A, A STARTING POINT OF REQUIREMENTS THAT WE'VE DEVELOPED, UH, YOU KNOW, OVER THE YEARS BY DOING THIS WITH, WITH A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS. 
          SO WE USE THAT AS A STARTING POINT. 
          WE MODIFY THAT BASED ON WHAT WE LEARNED THROUGH THAT INITIAL ASSESSMENT PHASE TO DETERMINE, OKAY, HERE'S SOME OF THE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE INCLUDING, UM, IN THAT RFP IN THOSE REQUIREMENTS. 
          AS WE GO THROUGH THAT. 
          WE'LL ALSO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF USE THIS AS AN EDUCATION TO SAY, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE WILL BE IN THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE WE WILL, WE'LL KIND OF TAKE FOLKS THROUGH THROUGH THOSE REQUIREMENTS. 
          AND SOMETIMES THEY'LL SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY DON'T KNOW. 
          THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT IS AVAILABLE IN A NEW SYSTEM. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE, AGAIN, OUR EDUCATION CAN KIND OF HELP GUIDE TO SAY, OKAY, WHAT A NEW SYSTEM CAN DO. 
          BUT WE ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT AS WE'RE BUILDING THESE REQUIREMENTS, IT'S FOR A, A, A, A SYSTEM THAT, UM, THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, CAN, CAN AFFORD AND THEN, BUT CAN ALSO, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE TO USE AND MAINTAIN OVER THE YEARS. 
          SO WHEN YOU GET TO THIS PHASE, THIS IS REALLY, AGAIN, WE'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH, WE'VE DONE THE ASSESSMENT. 
          THIS IS WHEN WE'RE REALLY STARTING TO DEVELOP THOSE REQUIREMENTS, DEVELOP THE REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL, UM, OR AN RFP PACKAGE, BECAUSE FOR US, THE, THE RFP IS A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT DOCUMENTS THAT GO INTO MAKING THAT RFP PACKAGE. 
          UM, WE GO THROUGH, DEVELOP THAT, OBVIOUSLY IN COORDINATION WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PROCUREMENT TEAM HERE AT THE COUNTY THAT GETS RELEASED. 
          AND THEN THROUGH THAT PROCESS, UH, PROPOSALS COME BACK, WE'LL REVIEW THOSE. 
          WE ALSO WANT THE, THE COUNTY EVALUATION TEAM TO REVIEW THOSE, SCORE THOSE PROPOSALS, AND THEN END UP MOVING INTO VENDOR DEMONSTRATIONS, RIGHT? SO WE'LL HAVE A SHORT LIST OF VENDORS GO THROUGH DEMONSTRATIONS OF, OF WHAT THOSE SYSTEMS CAN DO, UM, GO THROUGH REFERENCE CHECKS, UH, AND IF IT'S POSSIBLE SITE VISITS. 
          AND THEN ULTIMATELY, ONCE THAT VENDOR IS IDENTIFIED, WE'LL HELP SUPPORT CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS THROUGH THAT PROCESS. 
          SO THOSE FIR THOSE TWO PHASES, EVEN THOUGH, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONLY A COUPLE OF SLIDES THAT CAN SOMETIMES RANGE BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, FROM A TIMELINE PERSPECTIVE, THAT TIMING CAN SOMETIMES BE, YOU KNOW, NINE TO 12 MONTHS TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS. 
          UM, A MAJORITY OF THAT TIME TENDS TO BE, ONCE THAT RFP IS OUT ON THE STREET, IT'S GOTTA BE OUT ON THE STREET FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME. 
          AND THEN GOING THROUGH AND SCHEDULING DEMONSTRATIONS, REFERENCE CHECKS, THAT PROCESS IS REALLY WHERE, YOU KNOW, A LARGE BULK OF, OF THE PROJECT WORK IS. 
          AND THEN FOR THE CLIENTS THAT UTILIZE OUR IMPLEMENTATION SERVICES, WE REALLY HAVE TWO MAIN OPTIONS, BUT THROUGH THAT, AGAIN, WE WORK WITH OUR CLIENTS TO DETERMINE WHAT'S BEST FOR THEIR NEEDS. 
          THE FIRST ONE IS WHERE WE'RE SERVING IN THAT FULL-TIME PROJECT MANAGEMENT ROLE, WHERE WE'RE SERVING AS THE CLIENT'S PROJECT MANAGER, WHERE THEIR DIRECT POINT OF CONTACT FOR THE VENDOR. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS WHAT WE CALL PROJECT OVERSIGHT, WHERE YOU DO HAVE A PROJECT MANAGER, WE'RE ESSENTIALLY REPORTING TO THAT PROJECT MANAGER, ASSISTING THAT PROJECT MANAGER. 
          WE'RE NOT THE, THE, THE MAIN POINT OF CONTACT. 
          THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO IS REALLY THE, THE, THE AMOUNT OF TIME AND THE AMOUNT OF HOURS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TOWARDS THAT, TOWARDS THAT PROJECT. 
          AND OBVIOUSLY THE COST BETWEEN A FULL-TIME PM THAT'S DEDICATED TO THIS PROJECT VERSUS, UM, SOMEONE THAT IS DOING OVERSIGHT, PROBABLY DOING IT FOR, YOU KNOW, TWO, TWO OR TWO OR THREE PROJECTS THROUGH THIS. 
          AGAIN, THERE'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT DELIVERABLES THAT, UH, AND KEY ACTIVITIES. 
          UM, THERE IS A NUMBER OF STARTUP ACTIVITIES THAT WE WOULD GO THROUGH TO GET THE, UH, THE COUNTY READY FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION, GOING THROUGH AND DEVELOPMENT, WHAT WE CALL A PROJECT CHARTER. 
          SO ESSENTIALLY THE FRAMEWORK OF THE IMPLEMENTATION, WE WOULD REVIEW THE VENDOR'S PROJECT PLAN JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT HAS EVERYTHING AND IT'S ACCOUNT FOR EVERYTHING FOR THE FULL LIFE CYCLE OF THAT IMPLEMENTATION. 
          AND THEN REALLY A MAJORITY OF THAT WORK IS WHAT WE CALL PROJECT MANAGEMENT ACTIVITIES. 
          SO THIS IS, UM, US FACILITATING STATUS UPDATES WITH THE COUNTY, ALSO BEING ON THE VENDOR STATUS UPDATES, UH, BEING IN THOSE SESSIONS WITH THE VENDOR IN, IN, UH, IN THE COUNTY. 
          AND THEN GOING THROUGH AND IDENTIFYING RISKS, ISSUES, UM, TO THE PROJECT, MITIGATING THOSE, AND THEN ALSO TRACKING ANY ACTION ITEMS DECISIONS. 
          SO REALLY FOCUSING ON THOSE CORE PROJECT MANAGEMENT ACTIVITIES. 
          A LOT OF THE WORK THAT WE DO IN THE IMPLEMENTATION IS WITH THESE VENDORS THAT, THAT WE'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH. 
          SO WE ALREADY KIND OF KNOW HOW TO NAVIGATE, RIGHT? SOME OF THESE VENDORS, WE ALREADY KNOW THAT, UH, WHERE, WHERE SOME OF THE CHALLENGES MAY BE, AND WE WANT TO IDENTIFY THOSE AND ADDRESS THEM UPFRONT. 
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THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE RISKS TO THESE PROJECTS AND ISSUES TO THESE PROJECTS. 
          WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MITIGATING THEM AS MUCH AS WE CAN SO THAT THEY'RE NOT IMPACTING THE OVERALL TIMELINE AND COST FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, FOR THE TIMELINE, AGAIN, THAT REALLY DEPENDS ON THE SYSTEM OR THE VENDOR, UM, THAT IS SELECTED AND THEN THE SCOPE. 
          BUT I ALWAYS LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, SAY FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, FINANCIALS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FINANCIAL APPLICATIONS YOU WANT, USUALLY WANT TO GIVE YOURSELF ABOUT A YEAR FOR THAT. 
          SO KIND OF LOOK AT THAT FOR EACH OF THOSE KIND OF MAJOR SYSTEMS, RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, FINANCIALS IS PROBABLY A YEAR IF YOU LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, OTHER SYSTEMS, NINE MONTHS TO A YEAR FOR EACH OF THOSE. 
          NOW, IT IS VERY COMMON THAT AS YOU GO THROUGH THESE IMPLEMENTATIONS, IT'LL BE A PHASED APPROACH, RIGHT? SO YOU'LL HAVE, YOU KNOW, EITHER ONE PHASE START AND THAT FINISHES AND THEN START ANOTHER, OR THEY CAN OVERLAP AGAIN. 
          A LOT OF THAT WILL JUST DEPEND ON, YOU KNOW, THE SYSTEMS THAT ARE, UH, IN THAT RFPN ORDER PROCURED. 
          SO, SO FAR WE'VE TALKED THREE PHASES. 
          THE TIMELINE FOR EACH OF THESE, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, YOU COULD LOOK AT THE ASSESSMENT, THE RFP, THE EVALUATION, AGAIN, KIND OF GOING THAT NINE MONTHS TO A YEAR, AND THEN YOU GET INTO THE IMPLEMENTATION, UM, AT A MINIMUM PROBABLY A YEAR FOR EACH OF THOSE MAJOR, MAJOR, MAJOR SYSTEMS. HOW FAMILIAR IS YOUR GROUP WITH SOME OF THE ANTIQUATED SYSTEMS OUT THERE THAT, THAT MUNICIPALITIES AND GOVERNMENTS ARE STARTING TO REPLACE AND UPGRADE? I WOULD SAY WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THEM. 
          UM, WE MAY NOT, WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE MAY NOT BE, UM, FAMILIAR WITH A LOT OF THE FUNCTIONALITY THAT THEY PROVIDE, BUT WE ARE FAMILIAR WITH SOME OF THE CHALLENGES WITH THOSE SYSTEMS. MM-HMM . 
          UM, AS WE GO THROUGH THESE PROJECTS, WHEN WE DEVELOP THE RFP, WE ACTUALLY WILL IDENTIFY EXISTING SYSTEMS THAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL FUTURE SYSTEMS THAT ANY SYSTEM NEEDS TO INTERFACE WITH, RIGHT? AND SO AS YOU GO THROUGH THESE IMPLEMENTATIONS, IT'S PRETTY COMMON THAT YOU'LL STILL HAVE TO INTERFACE WITH YOUR LEGACY SYSTEM AS YOU IMPLEMENT A NEW SYSTEM, RIGHT? AND SO GOING THROUGH THIS, WE'VE KIND OF IDENTIFIED, OKAY, WE KNOW THAT THIS IS PROBABLY GONNA BE THE AREA WHERE THERE'S, THERE, THERE COULD BE A CHALLENGE WITH THIS SYSTEM AS WE GO THROUGH THE IMPLEMENTATION. 
          OKAY? I THINK, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH ANY LEGACY SYSTEM, IT USUALLY IS COMING DOWN TO, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH DATA DO WE NEED, RIGHT? HOW MUCH DATA DO WE WANT TO CONVERT? WITH A LOT OF THESE LEGACY SYSTEMS, GETTING THE DATA OUTTA THAT SYSTEM IS SOMETIMES A CHALLENGE, RIGHT? SO THE OLDER, THE LEGACY SYSTEM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE, THE LACK OF SUPPORT THAT'S AVAILABLE, SOMETIMES THAT CAN BE A CHALLENGE, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED PRETTY EARLY ON. 
          AND THEN AGAIN, SMALL SLIDE, BUT YOU CAN SEE HERE, UM, A NUMBER OF THE ERP VENDORS THAT WE SEE IN THE MARKETPLACE, THE ONES THAT ARE SHADED WITH KIND OF A, A, A GREEN RING AROUND THEM ARE THE ONES THAT WE, UH, MOST COMMONLY SEE, UH, IN THE COMMONWEALTH. 
          UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE SEE TYLER TECHNOLOGIES, WE SEE KEYSTONE EDMONDS, UH, AFFINITY, UM, WORKDAY, AND THEN WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WILL ALSO SEE RDA, WE'LL SEE, UM, UM, ORACLE, AND THEN SOME INSTANCES, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, PRODUCT CALLED ORACLE NETSUITE. 
          UM, SO WE'LL SEE, YOU KNOW, A WIDE VARIETY O OF OF VENDORS, UH, THROUGH THIS, THROUGH THIS PROCESS, BOTH ASSESSING SOME OF THESE SYSTEMS, RIGHT? 'CAUSE SOME OF THESE COULD ALSO BE LEGACY SYSTEMS. SOME OF THESE COULD ALSO BE OBVIOUSLY NEW SYSTEMS THAT CLIENTS ARE SELECTING AS WELL. 
          WHEN WE LOOK AT SOME OF THE MARKET TRENDS, AND THIS IS SPECIFIC, YOU KNOW, TO THE COMMONWEALTH, WE ARE SEEING, UM, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT ERP ENTERPRISE RESOURCE PLANNING VENDORS COMING INTO THE MARKETPLACE. 
          BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT SOME OF THOSE VENDORS ARE NATIONWIDE, AND SOME OF THEM MAY JUST BE WITHIN SPECIFIC STATE OR REGIONS, RIGHT? AND EVEN SOME OF THE ONES THAT ARE NATIONWIDE, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN WE LOOK AT ERP SYSTEMS, THERE MAY BE A SYSTEM THAT, YOU KNOW, IS IN, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THE MIDWEST IN MICHIGAN, WISCONSIN, THEY MAY NOT DO WORK, UM, HERE IN THE COMMONWEALTH. 
          AND THE REASON WHY I BRING THIS UP IS, AS YOU LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE LEGACY SYSTEMS WHERE THEY PROVIDED EVERYTHING, YOU'RE NOT SEEING AS MUCH OF THAT ANYMORE. 
          NOW, FOR THE VENDORS THAT WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH IN THE COMMONWEALTH, YOU KNOW, FOR THE ONES THAT, THAT IDENTIF THAT I IDENTIFIED, MOST OF THOSE DO PROVIDE END-TO-END. 
          BUT WE'RE ALSO SEEING SOME OF THESE VENDORS PROVIDE STANDALONE SYSTEMS, RIGHT? SO YOU THINK ABOUT AFFINITY, THAT'S A TAX-BASED SYSTEM THAT'S JUST STANDALONE. 
          SO THERE'S DIFFERENT EXAMPLES OF THAT. 
          UKG IS ANOTHER ONE, RIGHT? THAT DOES HR PAYROLL. 
          UM, WHEN WE LOOK THROUGH THIS AND WE GO THROUGH THESE PROCESS, THIS IS WHERE IT ALSO LOOKS AT A PHASED PROCUREMENT PROCESS AS WELL AS A PHASED IMPLEMENTATION. 
          SO WE'RE HAVING OUR CLIENTS LOOK AT THESE FROM THESE DIFFERENT LENSES, FROM MAYBE JUST LOOKING AT AN ERP OR AN HRS, MAYBE JUST LOOKING AT TAX BILLING, TAX ASSESSMENT, UH, AND THEN SOME INSTANCE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. 
          BECAUSE EACH OF THESE COULD 
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END UP BEING, AND TYPICALLY ARE, UM, MAYBE NOT STANDALONE SYSTEMS, BUT COULD THEY, THEY COULD EACH BE A SYSTEM THAT TAKES QUITE A BIT, UM, TO IMPLEMENT. 
          AND SO BY DOING THIS THROUGH KIND OF A PHASE, PROCUREMENT AT LEAST HELPS KIND OF FOCUS ON THOSE SYSTEMS, GET THOSE UP AND RUNNING, AND THEN FOCUS ON TO THE NEXT ONE. 
          THROUGHOUT ALL OF THESE, WE'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT INTERFACES AND INTEGRATIONS, UH, WITH ANY LEGACY SYSTEM, WE'RE ALWAYS MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE IDENTIFYING THOSE AND DOCUMENTING THOSE, UM, THROUGH THAT RFP PROCESS, AND ULTIMATELY MAKING SURE THAT, UH, THAT'S PART OF THAT IMPLEMENTATION. 
          WHEN WE THINK ABOUT TIMELINES, AGAIN, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE IMPLEMENTATION TIMELINE AND THE ASSESSMENT TIMELINE THAT IS TYPICALLY DEPENDENT ON SOME OF THOSE SYSTEMS THAT ARE PROCURED. 
          AND THEN WHEN WE LOOK AT HOW THESE SYSTEMS ARE DEPLOYED, UM, A LOT OF THESE LEGACY SYSTEMS WERE DEPLOYED ONSITE, RIGHT? SO YOU HAD THE SERVER HERE, YOU HAD THE SERVER ONSITE. 
          THAT'S STILL AN OPTION FOR SOME OF THESE SYSTEMS, BUT ONE OF THE TRENDS THAT WE'RE SEEING IS, IS A NUMBER OF THESE SYSTEMS ARE GOING TO, UM, A CLOUD BASE, RIGHT? SO A SAAS OR A SOFTWARE AS A SERVICE WHERE YOU DON'T PHYSICALLY HAVE A, A SERVER HERE ANYMORE, THEY'RE HOSTING IT. 
          IT'S, IT'S, IT'S IN THIS, IT'S, UM, IT'S SAS OR IT'S IN THE CLOUD. 
          THE REASON WHY I BRING THAT UP IS FROM THAT DEPLOYMENT OPTIONS, THE WAY THAT THESE ARE PROCURED END UP BEING MORE OF A SUBSCRIPTION BASED VERSUS A LICENSE BASED. 
          SO A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS, YOU KNOW, FROM THE LEGACY SYSTEMS TO THESE NEWER SYSTEMS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TODAY. 
          AND THEN LASTLY, WE ARE STARTING TO SEE NOT MUCH, BUT WE ARE STARTING TO SEE SOME ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE COMING TO THESE SYSTEMS. UM, BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT VERY WIDELY, UH, ADOPTED YET. 
          NOT A LOT OF WIDE FUNCTIONALITY YET, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE STARTING TO SEE IN DEMONSTRATIONS, UM, FROM SOME OF THESE VENDORS. 
          BUT I HAVEN'T ACTUALLY SEEN THEM IN IMPLEMENTATION YET, BUT I AT LEAST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP BECAUSE IT IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE ARE STARTING TO SEE. 
          HOW LONG DO YOU THINK BEFORE IT'S ACTUAL, I MEAN, IS A, IS IT BEING SOLD AS A, AS A BUZZWORD SALES FEATURE KIND OF THING? I, I THINK RIGHT NOW IT IS A LITTLE BIT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WILL HAVE, USUALLY ON A MONTHLY BASIS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'LL MEET WITH THE NER COMMUNITY, NOT ALL AT ONCE, BUT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ONE MONTH WE'LL MEET WITH THIS VENDOR, AND THE NEXT MONTH WE'LL MEET WITH THIS VENDOR. 
          AND THE AREA THAT I'M STARTING TO SEE A LITTLE BIT IN IS, YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, ACCOUNTS PAYABLE INVOICES OR PURCHASE ORDERS OR REQUISITIONS, SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT ARE PRETTY FAIRLY ROUTINE AND FAIRLY, YOU KNOW, COMMON. 
          THAT THOSE ARE THE AREAS WHERE, YOU KNOW, I'M STARTING TO SEE SOME OF THE ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE, BUT EVEN THROUGH THAT, EVEN FOR ANY OF THE, THE PROCESSING THAT IT'S DOING, THERE STILL HAS TO BE A WORKFLOW OR AN APPROVAL OF THAT, RIGHT? SO IT STILL HAS THAT HUMAN TOUCH TO THAT WORKFLOW AND THAT APPROVAL. 
          SOME OF THE COOPERATIVE CONTRACTS THAT WE'RE ON, AGAIN, SOME OF THESE ARE, UM, NATIONWIDE, OBVIOUSLY SOME OF THESE ARE IN, IN CERTAIN STATES. 
          UM, BUT FOR ANY OF THE, THE, THE WORK THAT, THAT WE, THAT WE DO, THAT IT IS AVAILABLE THROUGH, UH, COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT, UM, WE ALSO SEE, UM, VENDORS, UM, ON THESE COOPERATIVES AS WELL. 
          SO LOOKING THROUGH THIS, YOU KNOW, AS WE LOOK AT KIND OF HOW WE CAN HELP OUR, MAYBE WHY BARRY DUN, UM, YOU KNOW, WE FEEL VERY STRONGLY ABOUT THE WORK THAT WE DO. 
          AGAIN, WE ONLY WORK WITH THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT ORGANIZATIONS, SO WE HAVE, UM, A VERY DEEP UNDERSTANDING OF THE MARKET, DEEP UNDERSTANDING OF, UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU FOLKS ARE AT. 
          YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF OUR TEAM MEMBERS THAT, YOU KNOW, WERE ACTUALLY IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT BEFORE JOINING US, OR WE'RE, UM, IMPLEMENTING SOME OF THESE SYSTEMS, UH, FOR SOME OF THESE VENDORS. 
          SO AGAIN, VERY STRONG UNDERSTANDING OF THE MARKETPLACE AS WELL AS THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT EXPERIENCE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, VERY FAMILIAR WITH, UM, THE WORK HERE IN THE COMMONWEALTH. 
          I WAS ACTUALLY, UM, HERE, NOT HERE WHILE I WAS IN THE COMMONWEALTH, UH, THREE WEEKS AGO WHEN THAT SNOWSTORM HIT. 
          UH, I WAS ACTUALLY IN MIDDLESEX COUNTY AND GOT, UH, GOT TO BE ABLE TO DO SOME OF OUR FACT FINDING FROM THE HOTEL. 
          BUT IT WAS, IT WAS GREAT TO BE ABLE TO, TO GET ON SITE. 
          AND, UH, UM, OBVIOUSLY ALREADY TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR WORK WITH, UH, THE TOWN. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE TEAM MEMBERS, UM, PRETTY FREQUENTLY NOW. 
          UM, UH, WE ACTUALLY MAY HAVE SOMEONE IN FOER COUNTY THIS WEEK. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT IN TIME, YOU KNOW, WE WILL HAVE TEAM MEMBERS THAT ARE DOING WORK IN THE COMMONWEALTH. 
          WE ALWAYS WANNA LOOK AT OUR APPROACH, FOCUSING ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE YOU CURRENTLY DOING TODAY? WHAT ARE THE NEEDS? WHAT ARE THE CHALLENGES? AND HOW CAN WE IMPROVE UPON THOSE AND DO IT REALISTICALLY, RIGHT? THROUGH THIS PROCESS. 
          WE ARE ALWAYS, UH, REALISTIC WITH OUR ACTIONS AND OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, RIGHT? WE WE'RE NOT GONNA RECOMMEND, UM, SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, MAY NOT BE ACHIEVABLE, RIGHT? SO WE'RE VERY CONSCIOUS ABOUT, UM, OUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND HOW THEY CAN BE IMPLEMENTED, UM, THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS. 
          WE REALLY DO SEE OURSELVES AS KIND OF HELP GUIDING THE COUNTY AND GUIDING OUR CLIENTS THROUGH THIS PROCESS. 
          LIKE I SAID, WE'RE NOT MAKING THE DECISION, OBVIOUSLY, WE'LL MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION YOU NEED, UM, AND, AND MAKE SURE YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE, YOU'RE MAKING A GOOD DECISION, UH, FOR THESE FUTURE 
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SYSTEMS. AND THEN LASTLY, UM, MYSELF, OTHERS HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH THESE SYSTEMS, BUT WE ARE INDEPENDENT FROM THESE VENDORS MAKING US, UM, YOU KNOW, OBJECTIVE ADVISORS, UM, IN THESE, IN THESE PROJECTS. 
          SO, THAT'S ALL I HAD. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO IS YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT WE HAVE BASICALLY THREE SYSTEMS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT REPLACING? UM, RIGHT NOW, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE MAIN FOCUS WOULD BE ON THE LEGACY FINANCIAL SYSTEM. 
          UM, BUT THROUGH THAT WE WOULD ALSO LOOK AT, UH, ASSESSING, YOU KNOW, OTHER SYSTEMS NEED RATE. 
          IF WE NEEDED TO, UM, YOU KNOW, ASSESS, YOU KNOW, ANY OF THE OTHER MAJOR SYSTEMS. BUT THROUGH THIS PROCESS, IF WE, WHEN, WHEN WE GET TO THE RFP, WE WOULD'VE WANT TO PROBABLY IDENTIFY, YOU KNOW, OF ALL THOSE, HEY, LET'S FOCUS ON, YOU KNOW, FINANCIALS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          IS IT THREE? IS IT, I MEAN, CAN WE ADDRESS IT? MAYBE IT'S, I'M THINKING OF DEPARTMENTS, BUT IT'S REVENUE TREASURER, FINANCE DEPARTMENT, FUNCTIONALLY, SO RIGHT. 
          FUNCTIONALLY, AND WE ARE ALL IN THE SAME SYSTEM, THE SAME LEGACY SYSTEM, BRIGHT BI, OKAY. 
          ON THE AS 400. 
          UM, WE HAVE DIFFERENT SYSTEMS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. 
          SO BUILDING INSPECTIONS IS ON A SYSTEM. 
          PAYROLL, HR IS ON A SYSTEM. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO, SO, SO THOSE ARE THE SYSTEMS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, OKAY. 
          INTEGRATING. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO, UM, AND WE SAY WE'RE GONNA FOCUS ON FINANCIAL SYSTEMS. IT'S, IT'S THOSE THREE DEPARTMENTS AND NOT PERMITTING OR WHATEVER. 
          I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ALL TALK TO ONE ANOTHER. 
          UM, I KNOW THAT THE COMMISSIONER HAS RECEIVED A DEMO FROM A COMPANY CALLED A VANITY, UH, THAT CAN PROVIDE SERVICES TO THE TREASURER AND TO THE COMMISSIONER. 
          SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THROUGH BARRY DUN, BUT NOT TO YOU,  NO, THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE ANYTHING FINANCIAL WISE. 
          NOTHING THAT TOUCHES THE GENERAL, GENERAL LEDGER, WHICH IS THE WORLD THAT I LIVE IN. 
          SO THIS STUFF DOESN'T SOUND FAMILIAR. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S ONE, ONE VENDOR THAT'S ATTRACTING THE TREASURER AND, AND THE COMMISSIONER OF THE REVENUE, BUT THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT'S OVER HERE, IT WOULDN'T HAVE, AND THEN YOU'RE GET THOSE TOGETHER. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THROUGH THIS, THROUGH THIS PROCESS, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY COMMON THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR CLIENTS MAY, YOU KNOW, SELECT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A NUMBER OF OPTIONS, BUT THEY MAY SELECT ONE SYSTEM THAT, THAT CAN DO IT ALL. 
          RIGHT? AND, AND IT'S ALL FULLY INTEGRATED. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S ALSO VERY COMMON NOWADAYS BECAUSE OF THESE SYSTEMS, BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT THEY INTERFACE, RIGHT? THE TECHNOLOGY IS A LITTLE BIT MORE OPEN, WHERE YOU CAN DO KIND OF A, A SYSTEM THAT DOES FINANCIALS AND THEN A SEPARATE ONE THAT, THAT DOES, THAT DOES TAX. 
          IT IS INTERESTING IN THE COMMONWEALTH, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T SEE TAX SYSTEMS FOR ALL OF OUR CLIENTS IN, IN EVERY STATE, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, USUALLY WHERE WE, WHERE WE'VE SEEN IT IS VIRGINIA, MARYLAND, DELAWARE, BUT IN OTHER AREAS, UH, IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY, THERE MAY BE DIFFERENT SYSTEMS, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE DOING THAT. 
          SO ANY OF THE TAX SYSTEMS THAT ARE IN THE COMMONWEALTH ARE USUALLY JUST SPECIFIC TO THAT STATE OR TO THE COMMONWEALTH. 
          SO HERE, THE, THE SYSTEMS THAT WE TYPICALLY SEE, YOU KNOW, FOR TAXER, AFFINITY, TYLER, UH, EDMONDS, KEYSTONE, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF RDA, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S A HANDFUL OF THEM, UH, IN THE COMMONWEALTH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHAT I WAS GETTING AT, WELL, ON THE TIMELINE, 'CAUSE I WAS HEARING ABOUT, ABOUT A YEAR PER SYSTEM. 
          SO ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE FINANCIAL SYSTEM OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT TWO SYSTEMS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT FINANCE? THE FINANCIAL SYSTEM WOULD BE JUST ONE SYSTEM FOR THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT. 
          SO REVENUE, NEW TREASURER AND FINANCE DEPARTMENT? NO, NO, NO, NO. 
          I MEAN, I MEAN, ONE, AS, AS WE'RE APPROACHING THIS PROJECT MM-HMM . 
          A PROJECT THAT IS GONNA INVOLVE A YEAR OF, OF PREPARATION, I GUESS, AS I UNDERSTAND MM-HMM . 
          WELL, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY ALL WORK TOGETHER. 
          SO THE NAME ON, ON THE SOFTWARE COMPANY MIGHT BE DIFFERENT FOR THE TREASURER AND THE COMMISSIONER THAN IT WOULD BE FOR THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT IS THAT DOESN'T MEAN A YEAR FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE NAMES. 
          IT'S, IT'S A YEAR FOR THE PROJECT TO GET ALL THESE THREE TOGETHER. 
          IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A YEAR TO GO THROUGH, AS YOU SAID, LIKE THE PREPARATION AND THE PLANNING. 
          UM, BUT IF WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND IDENTIFY, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA DO THE FINANCE SYSTEM, RIGHT? THAT IMPLEMENTATION WOULD PROBABLY BE A YEAR. 
          BUT, BUT WHEN WE SAY FINANCE SYSTEM, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT ALL THE, THE, THE WHOLE CIRCLE AROUND? SO IT WOULD BE LIKE THESE THREE GENERAL LEDGER, IT'D BE LIKE GENERAL LEDGER, UM, BUDGETING, ACCOUNTS, PAYABLE, PURCHASE ORDERS, ALL THOSE KIND OF CORE FUNCTIONS THAT YOU WOULD SEE IN A FINANCIAL SYSTEM. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S YOUR SYSTEM? YES, MY SYSTEM, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THAT'S, SO NOW THEY'RE, NOT TO GET TOO FAR DOWN THE WEEDS, BUT IN SOME OF THESE FINANCIAL SYSTEMS, ACTUALLY ALL OF THEM, THEY, THEY ALSO DO CERTAIN TYPES OF GENERAL BILLING, ACCOUNTS RECEIVABLE, CASH RECEIPTS IN THOSE. 
          THERE'S ALSO SOME OF THAT FUNCTIONALITY IN THE TREASURE SYSTEMS AS WELL, OR, OR THE, THE, THE, THE TAX SYSTEMS. IT'S THE 
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SAME FOR THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SYSTEMS, RIGHT? THEY ALSO HAVE, YOU KNOW, WAYS TO, TO TAKE IN MONEY. 
          UTILITY BILLING IS ANOTHER ONE. 
          THROUGH THESE. 
          IT'S IDENTIFYING, OKAY, WHICH FUNCTION IS IT GOING TO WORK THE BEST FOR THAT ORGANIZATION, RIGHT? BECAUSE EACH OF THOSE STANDALONES COULD END UP HAVING THEIR, THEIR THEIR OWN DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS. 
          WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE ALSO NOT DUPLICATING OR, OR, OR PURCHASING FUNCTIONALITY THAT'S, THAT'S AVAILABLE IN MULTIPLE SYSTEMS. OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I'M, BUT I'M, I'M, I'M TRYING TO GET AN IDEA OF TIMELINE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, UH, THIS PROJECT IN YOUR VALUE PROPOSITION IS, IS BASICALLY GETTING A WHOLE BIG PICTURE, RIGHT? ALL REQUIREMENTS, EVERYBODY WORKS TOGETHER, ALL THESE DEPARTMENTS. 
          THEN IT'S FOC THAT'S ABOUT A YEAR, UH, NINE TO 12 MONTHS. 
          AND THEN, AND THEN WHEN WE TALK ABOUT IMPLEMENTATIONS, UM, YOU, I THINK YOU SAID ABOUT A YEAR PER, PER, SO, SO IT WOULD BE A YEAR FOR THE COUNTY FINANCIAL SYSTEM? YES. 
          AND THEN A A AND SEQUENTIALLY, RIGHT? NOT YOU COULD, SO PROBABLY SEQUENTIALLY OR PROBABLY NOT SEQUENTIALLY. 
          PROBABLY SOMETIMES IT DEPENDS ON, YOU KNOW, THE RESOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE. 
          IF YOU'RE DOING, EVEN IF IT'S THE SAME SYSTEM, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA BE IMPLEMENTING THOSE, YOU KNOW, ON YOUR SIDE USUALLY END UP BEING DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, DIFFERENT FOLKS. 
          WHERE IT TENDS TO BE KIND OF THE, THE ONE COMMON DENOMINATOR IN ALL OF THESE IS YOUR INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY OR IT DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, THEY TEND TO BE INVOLVED IN, IN ALL OF THESE IMPLEMENTATIONS. 
          AND THEN THERE MAY BE INSTANCES WHERE, YOU KNOW, FOLKS MAY BE WEARING SOME DIFFERENT HATS DURING THE IMPLEMENTATION. 
          COULD YOU, IN SOME OF THESE INSTANCES HAVE SOME OVERLAP? YES, BUT NOT, YOU KNOW, NOT FROM BEGINNING TO END. 
          USUALLY IT'S, YOU'LL GET SIX MONTHS, NINE MONTHS INTO THAT IMPLEMENTATION, AND THEN YOU START THE NEXT PHASE. 
          UM, BUT IF YOU HAVE FOLKS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN MULTIPLE PHASES, THEN YOU WOULD BE DOING, YOU KNOW, START ONE, FINISH ONE, START ONE, FINISH ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I'M PROBABLY BE ASKING QUESTIONS OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF, OF WHAT WE'RE ASKING BARRY DOWN FOR RIGHT. 
          DO, DO YOU HAVE A FEELING FOR THAT? YEAH, SO I WOULD, BECAUSE A COUPLE THINGS I WOULD OUT IF I COULD, UM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THESE THREE DEPARTMENTS RIGHT NOW ALL USE THE SAME SOFTWARE PACKAGE TO TAKE ONE OF THEM OUT OF THAT, AND NOT THE OTHER TWO IS COMPLICATED AT THE SAME TIME, ALL THREE DEPARTMENTS NEED TO USE SOMETHING ELSE. 
          DO WE NEED TO GET OFF OF WHERE WE ARE AND USE SOMETHING ELSE? THIS IS DEFINITELY A MULTI-YEAR, YOU KNOW, TRANSITION PLAN. 
          IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN IN A YEAR. 
          AND, AND THE, AND THE, IT IS PROBABLY ALSO IN MY ENTIRE TIME WORKING IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT, IT PROBABLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROJECTS I'VE EVER BEEN PART OF. 
          IT'S GONNA TAKE TIME. 
          IT'S VERY COMPLICATED. 
          IT'S VERY IN DEPTH. 
          THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT IS INCREDIBLY CRITICAL. 
          YOU KNOW, WHAT I NEED IN AN IT DEPARTMENT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT ALYSSA WOULD NEED, BUT THEY'RE BOTH JUST AS IMPORTANT. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT SOMEONE LIKE BARRY DUNDER TRY TO HELP, HELP US THROUGH THE PROCESS BECAUSE OF THE COMPLICATION AND THE AMOUNT OF TIME INVOLVED TO GET EVERYTHING DONE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I'M SORRY IF I'M, I DON'T MEAN TO BE DOMINATING ALL THE TIME, BUT JUMP IN IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT, SO IT'S A, IT'S A ESSENTIALLY FOR, FOR, FOR THIS PROJECT CONTEMPLATION AND THIS VALUE PROPOSITION, A NINE TO 12 MONTH PROCESS. 
          AND THEN ONCE THE THAT'S ALL IDENTIFIED, THEN WE EMBARK ON IMPLEMENTATIONS, WHICH COULD BE A YEAR PER SYSTEM. 
          AND THAT MIGHT BE THREE YEARS AFTER. 
          YOU KNOW, I WOULD REALLY HOPE NOT, BUT IT COULD BE OKAY. 
          I MEAN, IT'S REALLY HARD TO SAY RIGHT NOW WHAT WOULD HAPPEN. 
          I MEAN, WOULDN'T YOU AGREE? YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK IT MIGHT BE TOO DIFFICULT TO PREDICT. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT IT'S MULTI-YEAR, IT'S, IT'S, IT WILL DEFINITELY MULTI-YEAR, FOR SURE, MINIMUM A YEAR FOR, FOR JUST THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT SOFTWARE. 
          AND THAT'S AFTER WE COMPLETE OUR, THE A A PROJECT LIKE THIS TO GENERATE OUR REQUIREMENTS, WHICH MAKES SURE THE WHOLE BIG PICTURE IS INTEGRATED. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M, I'M JUST TRYING, NO, IT, IT, I LOVE THESE CONVERSATIONS BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S A LOT TO THINK ABOUT. 
          IT'S A LOT TO, TO TAKE ON AND, YOU KNOW, IT, IT CAN ABSOLUTELY START TO FEEL A LITTLE OVERWHELMING, RIGHT? AND THAT'S WHERE KIND OF WE, WE HELP GUIDE THE PROCESS AND, AND I ALWAYS LOOK AT IT AS, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING CONSUMABLE CHUNKS, CONSUMABLE BITES, AS YOU KNOW, WE'LL KIND OF FOCUS ON THE OVERALL PROJECT, THE BIG PICTURE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE FOLKS SAY, OKAY, WE NEED YOU TO FOCUS ON THIS PIECE NOW. 
          RIGHT? AND IT'S KIND OF JUST LIKE BUILDING BLOCKS. 
          AS YOU GO THROUGH THESE PROJECTS AND YOU START TO THINK ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT HAS TO BE DONE, IT, IT STARTS TO FEEL OVERWHELMING. 
          AND THAT'S WHEN WE KIND OF PULL FOLKS BACK A LITTLE BIT, BIT, LIKE, HEY, WE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE CAN GET YOU THROUGH THIS. 
          I, I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          I'LL, IT'S JUST FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, FROM THE FINANCING OF THE WHOLE PROCESS. 
          AND IT'S ALSO TO SET THE EXPECTATIONS OUT AND, AND THE, AND THE PUBLIC AS TO HOW, HOW MUCH EFFORT AND TIME IT TAKES TO GO THROUGH THIS, BUT THE PLANNING HAPPENS UP FRONT. 
          YEP. 
          YEP. 
          NO, I'M VERY, I'M VERY BIG ON SETTING EXPECTATIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM . 
          ANYTHING ELSE? UH, I, I, YOU, YOU MAY HAVE MENTIONED THIS, BUT, UM, UM, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOUR, UM, OH, UM, OH, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOUR QUALIFICATIONS? 
          [00:45:02]
ABSOLUTELY. 
          UM, SO OVER THE PAST 25 YEARS, YOU KNOW, I STARTED ACTUALLY OUT PROVIDING THESE, THESE ERP SYSTEMS ACTUALLY STARTED, UM, IN THE SUPPORT DEPARTMENT OF ONE OF THESE VENDORS, RIGHT? SO LEARNED WHAT THESE SYSTEMS CAN DO FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. 
          UM, A LOT OF MY, UH, UH, DOMAIN KNOWLEDGE TENDS TO BE AROUND THE FINANCIAL SIDE OF THESE SYSTEMS. UM, BUT ALSO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND, AND THROUGH DOING THIS FOR SO MANY YEARS, VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE HR PAYROLL FUNCTIONS OF THESE SYSTEMS. UTILITY BILLING. 
          I'VE GOT, I KNOW ENOUGH IN A LOT OF THESE, RIGHT? JUST TO KIND OF BE A LITTLE BIT DANGEROUS, BUT A LOT OF MY QUALIFICATIONS REALLY FOCUS ON, UM, HELPING CLIENTS GO THROUGH THESE SELECTION PROCESSES, RIGHT? KNOWING THE STEPS IT TAKES KNOWING, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE NEED TO, MAYBE NOT NECESSARILY PIVOT, BUT IDENTIFYING WHAT ARE SOME OF THOSE RISKS AND CHALLENGES THROUGH THE PROJECT AND MITIGATING THROUGH THEM, BOTH THROUGH THE SELECTION AND THE IMPLEMENTATION. 
          AND THEN THROUGH THESE, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M BEING HONEST, I'M BEING TRANSPARENT, BUT ALSO MAKING SURE THAT I'M SETTING THE EXPECTATIONS BOTH FROM, UH, MY CLIENTS, BUT ALSO MY TEAM AS WELL. 
          AND SO, UM, A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN DOING THIS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AND I'LL SAY THROUGH THESE, THROUGH THESE PROJECTS, RIGHT? THERE'S, THERE'S GOING TO BE CHALLENGES, BUT, YOU KNOW, WORKING TOGETHER, WORKING COLLABORATIVELY, I KNOW WHAT WE CAN ALWAYS GET THROUGH THEM TOGETHER. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO NEXT WE 
          [B. Budget Request - Concern Hotline]
HAVE, UH, CONCERN HOTLINE. 
          GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE IN FRONT OF YOU THIS EVENING. 
          MY NAME IS RUSTY HOLLAND. 
          I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF CONCERN HOTLINE. 
          MOST OF YOU KNOW WHAT CONCERN HOTLINE IS, BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU A QUICK RUN THROUGH, WE'VE BEEN REPRESENTING WARREN COUNTY FOR ABOUT SINCE 1979 AS A 24 HOUR COMPASSIONATE LISTENING HOTLINE, SPECIALIZING IN INFORMATION REFERRAL, MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES AND CRISIS INTERVENTION, IE SUICIDE PREVENTION. 
          UM, WE COME BEFORE YOU TONIGHT REQUESTING A $3,500, UM, FINANCIAL SUPPORT. 
          UH, BASED UPON THE NUMBERS THAT WE SEE, WE'RE RECEIVING APPROXIMATELY 10% OF OUR CALLS FROM WARREN COUNTY THAT ARE IDENTIFIED BY CALLERS. 
          WE'RE A CONFIDENTIAL AND FREE SERVICE, SO A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T TELL US WHERE THEY'RE CALLING FROM. 
          UM, SO IDENTIFIED ABOUT 10% OF OUR CALLS, UH, THAT'S ABOUT $10 A PHONE CALL, UM, DEPENDING ON THE SERVICE, SOMETIMES THAT'S WORTH $10 AND SOMETIMES IT'S NOT. 
          A LOT OF TIMES IT'S JUST PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING THROUGH, UM, UH, A PHONE BOOK LOOKING FOR AN INFORMATION OR REFERRAL AND WE GIVE OUT THAT. 
          AND A LOT OF TIMES IT'S SOMEBODY, UH, THAT'S BEING IMPACTED BY EITHER ACUTE OR CHRONIC MENTAL ILLNESS, UH, OR SUICIDE IDEATION. 
          UM, AS I SAID, WE'VE BEEN SERVING WITH THE HOTLINE SINCE 1979. 
          WE'VE INCREASED OUR SERVICES TO WARREN COUNTY WITHIN THE LAST FIVE YEARS. 
          SOME OF YOU PROBABLY HAVE SEEN OUR BANNER, OUR PERSONNEL AT, UH, CARDINALS GAMES, IF YOU GO TO THE BASEBALL GAMES, WE'RE THERE, UM, SUPPORTING THEM. 
          WE'VE DONE TRAINING FOR THE WARREN COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES IN SUICIDE AWARENESS AND PREVENTION, WHAT WE CALL SUICIDE SAFE COMMUNITIES. 
          UH, WE, UH, HAVE BECOME MEMBERS OF THE CHAMBER AND WORKING WITH THE CHAMBER TO TRY TO HELP WITH THE BUSINESSES AND HELP MAKE PEOPLE, UH, BE MORE AWARE OF OUR SERVICES IN THE COUNTY. 
          UM, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS, UH, WE ARE IN THE FINAL STAGE OF CERTIFICATION WITH THE INTERNATIONAL COUNCIL OF HOTLINES, WHICH WILL BE OUR FIRST INTERNATIONAL CERTIFICATION, WHICH IS A BIG DEAL WHEN YOU COME TO HOTLINE WORLDS LIKE THE HOT SERVE IN. 
          AND THE OTHER THING IS WE GO LIVE WITH THE, SOME OF YOU ARE PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH 9 8 8 OR THE NATIONAL SUICIDE PREVENTION LIFELINE. 
          WE GO LIVE MARCH 18TH WITH THEIR, UH, INTERFACE WITH THEIR SERVICES, WHICH WILL BRING US EVEN MORE CALLS. 
          UM, THAT'S BEEN QUITE AN UNDERTAKING FOR A SMALL AGENCY LIKE OURS. 
          MOST OF THE OTHER AGENCIES THAT PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES OR LARGE, UH, EMPLOYERS OF OVER A HUNDRED EMPLOYEES, UH, WE HAVE AT PRESENT TIME TWO, UH, EMPLOYEES. 
          SO, UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE, UH, FUNDING SUPPORT OUR PHONE LINES, AND WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE IT SUPPORT OUR MARKETING STRATEGIES IN WARREN COUNTY. 
          UH, WE FEEL LIKE WARREN COUNTY HAS A, HAS A REAL NEED FOR MARKETING SUICIDE PREVENTION STRATEGIES. 
          A COUPLE YEARS AGO, WE, UM, MOVED INTO SKYLINE HIGH SCHOOL. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN THERE WHEN THEY DO THE, UH, MORNING ANNOUNCEMENTS IN SKYLINE HIGH SCHOOL. 
          AT THE END OF THE MORNING 
          [00:50:01]
ANNOUNCEMENTS, THEY ACTUALLY GIVE A LITTLE, UH, CALL CONCERN HOTLINE IF YOU'RE HAVING DIFFICULTY AND GIVE OUR PHONE NUMBER OUT TO THE STUDENTS AT SKYLINE. 
          UM, I PERSONALLY HAVE WORKED SEVERAL, UM, CRISIS CALLS WITH WARREN COUNTY RESIDENCE. 
          UH, WE FEEL THAT THE SERVICE IS WARRANTED AND WE FEEL THAT THE $10 IS DEFINITELY WORTH A PHONE CALL. 
          SO, UH, WITHOUT ANY FURTHER ADO, I'D LIKE TO PUT IT OUT TO YOU ALL AND SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF WHAT WE'RE DOING OR HOW WE'RE DOING IT OR WHAT WE CAN DO BETTER. 
          UH, I HAVE A COUPLE AND UH, SURE. 
          PLEASE DON'T TAKE THIS THE WRONG WAY. 
          'CAUSE UH, IT'S A GOOD, IT'S A GOOD PROGRAM AND CERTAINLY WE WANT TO BRING DOWN SUICIDE, UM, AND HELP PEOPLE WITH MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES. 
          UM, BUT I DID NOTICE, UH, THAT THE LARGEST, UH, CLIENT BASE FOR YOU IS, IS WINCHESTER AND FREDERICK COUNTY, AND THEY, THEY DON'T SEEM TO GIVE YOU ANY REVENUE. 
          IT SEEMS LIKE WARREN CLARK AND PAIGE AND, UM, MAYBE ONE OTHER SHENANDOAH, SHENANDOAH ARE, ARE CARRYING YES, SIR. 
          THE TORCH ON THAT, UM, ARE, BUT YOU DO HAVE FUNDRAISING AND, AND OTHER FUNDING. 
          SO I'M WONDERING IF THAT, IF THEY'RE, THEY'RE PAYING, PAYING TOWARD SOME OF THOSE THINGS, AT LEAST, UH, THROUGH PRIVATE IONS. 
          UM, I THINK THERE'S SOME PERIPHERAL SUPPORT THERE, SIR. 
          YEAH, I, I CERTAINLY CAN'T ANSWER THE QUESTIONS AS TO WHY WINCHESTER AND FREDERICK COUNTY ARE GIVEN JURISDICTIONAL SUPPORT TO OUR AGENCY. 
          YEAH, THERE HAS BEEN SOME IN THE PAST. 
          I THINK THAT'S THE $64,000 QUESTION. 
          WHEN I GO BEFORE ANY OF THESE BOARDS. 
          UM, I THINK THE MAJORITY OF, UH, FUNDING, UH, COMING FROM THE SMALLER, MORE RURAL, UM, AGENCIES OR JURISDICTIONS IS TYPICALLY BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF SERVICES. 
          MM-HMM . 
          IN THOSE AREAS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THERE'S MORE SERVICES BASED IN WINCHESTER AND FREDERICK AND CLARK COUNTIES. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A CORRELATION BETWEEN SERVICES AND FUNDING AND I THINK A LOT OF TIMES THE LARGER, MORE URBAN AREAS THINK THAT THEY OFFER ENOUGH SERVICES THAT THEY DON'T NEED TO SUPPORT. 
          SO I THINK I, THAT'D BE MY PERSONAL ANSWER, BUT YOU'D PROBABLY HAVE TO ASK THEM. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN IT SAID ON, UM, YEAR TO DATE FUNDING, WHICH I THINK WOULD BE BACK DECEMBER-ISH, UM, YOU HADN'T USED OUR PRIOR YEARS CONTRIBUTION YET. 
          IT SAYS ZERO YEAR TO DATE. 
          SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF, UM, IF YOU HAVE OURS, YOU KNOW, EARMARKED FOR SOMETHING SPECIFIC COMING UP, OR, UH, IF I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR QUESTION IS. 
          YEAH, WE DIDN'T GIVE HIM ANYTHING. 
          SO, UM, LAST YEAR, SIR MM-HMM . 
          WE, WARREN COUNTY HAS FUNDED, UM, THE PROJECT FOR MANY YEARS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          LAST YEAR SOMETHING HAPPENED IN THE COMMUNICATIONS. 
          THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO COME WHEN THEY WERE SCHEDULED. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          AND THEN THEY DID NOT GET RESCHEDULED. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEREFORE THEY WERE NOT CLUED. 
          GOT IT. 
          I WASN'T SURE, UH, BECAUSE THEY DID HAVE A PROJECTED VALUE FOR, SO IT, UM, OKAY. 
          UM, THEY GOT LEFT OUT LAST YEAR FOR OKAY. 
          SORRY TO HEAR THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THAT'S THE WAY IT WORKS. 
          I GET IT. 
          WE APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT IN THE PAST AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO IT IN THE FUTURE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NOT A QUESTION. 
          I JUST, UM, MY GRANDMOTHER WAS, UM, SHE TOOK PHONE CALLS AND AFTER I REMEMBER THAT RETIRED AND, UM, I THINK IT GAVE HER AS MUCH PLEASURE TO HAVE PEOPLE. 
          I THINK THERE WERE SEVERAL THAT THEY JUST CALLED BECAUSE THEY HAD BUILT A RELATIONSHIP. 
          UM, SO IT'S, AND, AND TIMES HAVE CHANGED. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM THOSE RELATIONSHIPS, BUT THEY STILL WERE BEING DEVELOPED ON A REGULAR BASIS. 
          I HAVE ONE LISTENER THAT JUST RETIRED AFTER SEVEN YEARS, AND HIS WIFE CALLED ME TO TELL ME THAT IT SAVED THEIR MARRIAGE BECAUSE HE BECAME A, HE BECAME A BETTER LISTENER, . 
          SO WHO KNOWS WHY WE'RE THERE. 
          BUT, UM, WE HAVE QUITE A NUMBER OF ANTIDOTES. 
          I THINK IF YOU NOTICE, UH, IN YOUR PACKET, I'M SURE YOU HAVE A PACKET. 
          WE HAVE A ANNUAL STATEMENT THAT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE THAT. 
          AND THE ONLY THINGS I'D REALLY LIKE TO POINT OUT TO YOU AT THIS POINT ARE THAT YOU'LL NOTICE THAT A LARGE NUMBER OF OUR CALLS COME FROM PEOPLE OVER THE AGE OF 55. 
          AND I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE COMMUNITIES WE'RE SERVING RIGHT NOW, THERE'S A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THOSE PEOPLE OVER 55. 
          AND I KNOW TODAY IS KIND OF A HOL, NOT A HOLIDAY, BUT AN ANNIVERSARY. 
          AND FIVE YEARS AGO, THE WHOLE WORLD GOT TURNED UPSIDE DOWN. 
          THERE WAS A LOT OF ISOLATION AND LONELINESS. 
          AND THAT HAS CREATED AN, UH, INFLUX OF CALLS FOR ISOLATION AND LONELINESS, MOSTLY OVER THE AGE OF 55. 
          SO WE'RE DOING A LOT OF SERVICE FOR SENIOR CITIZENS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WELL, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          HAVE A GOOD REST OF YOUR EVENING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO NEXT WE HAVE, UH, 
          [A. Budget Request - Department of Social Services]
SOCIAL SERVICES. 
          EXCUSE ME, SIR. 
          YEAH, I MADE A MISTAKE EARLIER. 
           EASIER. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT THEY'LL BE RIGHT AFTER SOCIAL SERVICES. 
          [00:55:08]
MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, GOOD EVENING. 
          THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN FRONT OF YOU. 
          I WANNA START BY GIVING YOU A BIT OF AN APOLOGY. 
          MY HEARING IS REALLY, REALLY BAD LATELY, SO, UM, IF I ASK YOU TO REPEAT YOUR QUESTION, JUST KIND OF BEAR WITH ME. 
          I'M GETTING A NEW HEARING AID, SO THAT'S THE GOOD NEWS. 
          UM, SHOULD BE SOON. 
          UH, OUR, OUR BUDGET REALLY ISN'T THAT MUCH DIFFERENT THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR, UM, ALTHOUGH IT LOOKS REALLY, REALLY, REALLY DIFFERENT. 
          UH, AND THAT'S BECAUSE THE COUNTY ROLLED THE CSA PROGRAM INTO DSS THIS YEAR. 
          SO NOT ONLY DID WE ABSORB THE PROGRAM, BUT WE ABSORBED THE BUDGET AS WELL. 
          SO THAT'S, UM, HOW IT LOOKS DIFFERENT, UH, FOR OUR OPERATIONS. 
          JUST TO GIVE YOU A FEW OF THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE CHANGES, UH, OUR LEGAL FEES, UH, WE ARE PROJECTING A SIGNIFICANT DECREASE IN OUR LEGAL FEES. 
          AND THAT COMES FROM, WE WERE USING KAITLYN JORDAN WHEN SHE WAS HERE. 
          WHEN SHE LEFT, WE HAD TO HIRE A NEW ATTORNEY, AND WE ONLY HAD TWO MONTHS WORTH OF BILLING TO BASE OUR PROJECTION ON. 
          WE HAVE OVER A FULL YEAR NOW, SO WE ARE PROJECTING TO SPEND A LOT LESS THAN WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO FOR LEGAL FEES. 
          UM, OUR MAINTENANCE AND SERVICE CONTRACTS, UM, STEADILY GO UP WITH INFLATION. 
          UH, OUR UTILITIES, WE ARE, ONCE AGAIN, WE DIDN'T HAVE A FULL YEAR'S WORTH OF UTILITIES TO BASE OUR PROJECTION ON, BUT WE DO NOW. 
          SO AS WE WERE ABLE TO PROJECT LOWER, UH, FOR THIS COMING FISCAL YEAR, UM, POSTAGE, UM, POSTAGE HAS GONE UP SLIGHTLY. 
          UH, WE ARE ATTRIBUTING THAT TO THE INCREASE IN THE VOLUME DUE TO MEDICAID RENEWALS. 
          UH, ANYTIME SOMEBODY HAS A MEDICAID RENEWAL, WE HAVE TO SEND OUT THE 20 PAGE PACKET TO THEM. 
          AND IF THEY DON'T RESPOND, WE HAVE TO SEND IT TO 'EM AGAIN, UH, WITH, UH, A LETTER SAYING, HEY, IF WE DON'T HEAR FROM YOU, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO CLOSE YOUR CASE. 
          AND IF WE DON'T HEAR FROM 'EM AGAIN, WE GOTTA SEND IT OUT AGAIN. 
          UH, SO IT'S KIND OF A, A REPETITIVE, UH, MAILING FOR THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, OUR RENT IS SCHEDULED TO GO UP. 
          UH, WE'VE BEEN IN THE BUILDING FOR ABOUT 10 YEARS. 
          EVERY FIVE YEARS IT DOES GO UP. 
          AND SO JANUARY OF 2026, OUR RENT WILL GO UP AGAIN. 
          AND THAT'S JUST THE LEASE WE HAVE WITH THE COUNTY. 
          UM, TRAVEL AND TRAINING, OUR VEHICLE MAINTENANCE. 
          UM, I HAVE, I'M PROJECTING OUR VEHICLE MAINTENANCE TO GO DOWN BASED ON A NEW PROGRAM THAT WE'RE GONNA BE IMPLEMENTING, WHICH SHOULD MAKE A LOT LESS TRAVEL NECESSARY FOR OUR STAFF. 
          UH, OUR MANDATED PROGRAMS, UH, YOU SEE OUR FOUR A PREVENTION, UH, WE ARE FORECASTING A DECREASE IN THAT BECAUSE OF AN INCREASE IN FOSTER CARE. 
          AND THE THING ABOUT THE MANDATED PROGRAMS IS UNFORTUNATELY, LOCALITIES DON'T REALLY HAVE A CHOICE IN THAT WE HAVE TO PAY, HOWEVER, IT IS COMPLETELY REIMBURSED, UH, ON THE BACK END BY THE FEDERAL AND THE STATE GOVERNMENT. 
          SO WE HAVE TO FRONT THE MONEY FOR THESE PROGRAMS. BUT YOU DO GET REIMBURSED THROUGHOUT THE YEAR ON A MONTHLY BASIS FOR THEM. 
          UM, OUR INDEPENDENT LIVING PROGRAM, THOSE ARE CHILDREN WHO WERE IN FOSTER CARE AND TURNED 18. 
          UH, SO NOW THEY'RE IN FOSTERING FUTURES. 
          AND I THINK WE'RE UP TO FIVE PEOPLE IN THAT PROGRAM NOW. 
          UM, OUR COMMUNITY IS AGING, SO WE ARE PROJECTING AN INCREASE IN THE NEED FOR ADULT SERVICES, UH, ARE FOR A FOSTER CARE. 
          AND THE PAST TWO YEARS, WE CURRENTLY HAVE 52 CHILDREN IN FOSTER CARE. 
          WHEN I FIRST CAME TO WARREN COUNTY, WE HAD 16. 
          NOW, THE PAST TWO YEARS, THERE'VE BEEN A FLOOD OF CHILDREN COMING INTO FOSTER CARE. 
          I BELIEVE THAT THERE WERE 20 OR 21 CHILDREN LAST YEAR WHO CAME INTO FOSTER CARE, DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES, TOOK ONE OF THOSE CHILDREN INTO CARE OURSELVES. 
          UH, THE OTHERS CAME FROM THE COURTS DIRECTLY. 
          UH, THE COURT DECIDED THAT THE CHILDREN NEEDED TO COME IN FOSTER CARE, UH, INSTEAD OF REMAINING WITH THEIR FAMILIES. 
          AND THAT'S UNFORTUNATELY AN AREA WE DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF CONTROL OVER. 
          UM, HOWEVER, I HAVE A DEAL FOR YOU. 
          UM, I'M GONNA BRING YOU A DEAL TONIGHT WHERE I'M GONNA ACTUALLY SAVE YOU MONEY IN THE LONG RUN. 
          AND I KNOW WE LIKE TO SAY TO THAT, UM, REGIONALLY, THERE IS A FOSTER CARE CONSORTIUM, CLARK FREDERICK WINCHESTER, AND NOW WARREN, UH, WILL BE JOINING THIS CONSORTIUM. 
          AND WHAT THAT IS, IS THEY RECRUIT LOCAL FOSTER HOMES. 
          LOCAL FOSTER HOMES IS A GOOD DEAL FOR MANY, MANY DIFFERENT REASONS. 
          UH, FIRST AND FOREMOST, OUR KIDS STAY WHERE THEY ARE. 
          THEY STAY HERE IN THIS COMMUNITY. 
          UM, I HAVE A PICTURE, IF I CAN GO. 
          EVERY DOT THAT YOU SEE IS A CURRENT CHILD 
          [01:00:01]
IN FOSTER CARE. 
          SO WE HAVE SOUTHERN VIRGINIA, TIDEWATER AREA BECAUSE WE HAVE NO LOCAL FOSTER HOMES. 
          EVERY CHILD IN FOSTER CARE HAS TO BE SEEN BY A FOSTER CARE WORKER EVERY SINGLE MONTH. 
          AND SO EVERY MONTH WE'RE DRIVING OUT TO SEE CHILDREN IN ALL THESE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. 
          BY JOINING A REGIONAL EFFORT FOR FOSTER PARENTS, YOU HAVE FOSTER HOMES IN CLARK, FREDERICK WARREN, AND WINCHESTER. 
          WE ARE NOW KEEPING OUR CHILDREN CLOSER TO HOME, WHICH IS A GREATER OPPORTUNITY FOR FAMILY REUNIFICATION, WHICH IS ALWAYS THE GOAL. 
          UH, WHEN A CHILD COMES INTO FOSTER CARE, PLUS YOU'RE SAVING TIME, YOU'RE SAVING GAS, YOU'RE SAVING WEAR AND TEAR IN YOUR CAR. 
          THE BIGGEST PLUS FOR THIS PROGRAM, IF WE CAN GO BACKWARDS, WE WILL HAVE LOCAL SPECIALISTS AND RECRUITERS WHO WILL FIND FOSTER HOMES IN OUR AREA. 
          WHEN A CHILD COMES INTO FOSTER CARE. 
          RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE WE HAVE NO LOCAL HOMES, WE HAVE TO USE WHAT'S CALLED A THERAPEUTIC FOSTER HOME, WHICH IS A EXTRA LAYER OF TRAINING THAT THESE FOSTER PARENTS HAVE. 
          AND YOU PAY DEARLY FOR THAT SERVICE. 
          LOCAL HOMES, THEY DON'T HAVE THE THERAPEUTIC PART, BUT THEY ARE CLOSER HERE. 
          SO YOU CAN MONITOR THEM MORE CLOSELY. 
          YOU CAN HAVE MORE VISITATION WITH, UM, THE CHILDREN AND THE PARENTS. 
          UH, WE'VE STRUGGLED TO RECRUIT FOSTER PARENTS IN OUR LOCALITY OURSELVES. 
          AND NOW I KNOW WHY, BECAUSE THEY HAVE THEM ALL. 
          UM, THEY HAVE MANY FAMILIES IN WARREN COUNTY WHO WEREN'T WORKING WITH WARREN COUNTY DSS BECAUSE WE WERE NOT PART OF THIS PROGRAM. 
          JOHN, SO WOULD YOU MIND IF I JUST ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? WHAT DID YOU SAY ABOUT THE THERAPEUTIC AND THE DIFFERENCE OF, COULD YOU REVIEW WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE THERAPEUTIC, UM, ASPECT OF THAT AND, AND NOT NEED NEEDING, NOT BEING NEEDED LOCALLY WHERE IT IS IF IT'S NOT LOCAL? WAS IT, DID I UNDERSTAND THAT? RIGHT? THE REQUIREMENTS ARE HIGHER IF THEY'RE NOT IN LOCAL FOSTER CARE. 
          IT'S NOT THAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE HIGHER, IT'S THAT THE THERAPEUTIC FOSTER HOMES SERVE MORE LOCALITIES ACROSS THE STATE. 
          AND ANYTIME WE HAVE TO CONTRACT WITH A PROVIDER LIKE UMFS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEY GUIDE US TO THE THERAPEUTIC FOSTER PARENTS. 
          UM, LOCAL FOSTER HOMES ARE CERTIFIED BY THE LOCALITIES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, NOT A STATE ORGANIZATION. 
          AND SO YOU PAY FOR THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THE CFW GIVES US A 50% GUARANTEE OF LOCAL PLACEMENT, WHICH MEANS 50% OF THE KIDS WHO COME INTO FOSTER CARE, THEY'RE SAYING THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO PLACE LOCALLY. 
          NOW, THE PAST THREE QUARTERS, THEY'VE TOLD ME THEY'VE HAD A HUNDRED PERCENT LOCAL PLACEMENT. 
          SO WHY IS THIS IMPORTANT? WELL, ON AVERAGE, A THERAPEUTIC FOSTER PLACEMENT IS $4,000 A MONTH MORE EXPENSIVE THAN A LOCAL FOSTER PLACEMENT. 
          SO IF I'VE GOT 52 KIDS IN CARE RIGHT NOW, APPROXIMATELY 50% ARE 40 FUNDED, WHICH IS FEDERAL FUNDING, WHICH IS THE BEST DEAL BECAUSE THEN WE DON'T PAY FOR IT. 
          THE OTHER 50% ARE LOCALLY FUNDED, CSA FUNDED. 
          AND SO WARREN COUNTY IS PAYING TO HAVE THESE CHILDREN IN FOSTER CARE. 
          AND SO IF WE'RE PAYING $4,000 A MONTH MORE THAN WE NEED TO, BECAUSE WE HAVE NO LOCAL HOMES, THAT ADDS UP OVER TIME, A MILLION BUCKS. 
          SO 7 MILLION BUCKS IS, THE CHILDREN DON'T NEED THAT LEVEL, THE TFC LEVEL, BUT THEY GO INTO IT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER CHOICE. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO IF WE GET INTO THIS, THE CHILDREN THAT DON'T NEED TFC, THAT, UM, ON AVERAGE WE'RE GONNA SAY $4,000 A MONTH, THEY'RE CLOSER TO HOME. 
          THEY'RE CLOSER FOR THESE GUYS TO MONITOR THEM MORE CLOSELY AND THE, THE SITUATION THAT THEY'RE IN, IT, IT, IT WOULD BE A WIN-WIN SITUATION ALL THE WAY AROUND, RIGHT? THAT, YEAH. 
          SO IF WE SAY HALF OF OUR CHILDREN ARE CSA FUNDED, LOCALLY FUNDED, THAT'S 26. 
          IF HALF, THEN GO TO A LOCAL FOSTER HOME FROM THAT, THAT'S DOWN TO 13. 
          IF EVEN HALF OF THOSE GO INTO THIS PROGRAM, YOUR FORECAST TO SAVE ABOUT $250,000 A YEAR OF CSA COST SIMPLY BY JOINING THIS PROGRAM, IT'S $47,000 A YEAR TO JOIN BECAUSE YOU'RE PAYING FOR, ESSENTIALLY, THE WORKERS GONNA BE STATIONED IN WINCHESTER CITY AND YOU'RE 
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PAYING YOUR SHARE OF THEIR SALARY AND THEIR SERVICES. 
          AND SO FOR THAT INVESTMENT, YOU COULD GET UP TO A QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR SAVINGS IN THE LONG RUN THROUGH YOUR CSA PROGRAM. 
          I WOULD MENTION TOO, THAT BY BRINGING CSA OVER TO DSS, YOU'VE ALREADY SAVED MONEY BECAUSE BEFORE YOU WERE LOCALLY FUNDING THE ENTIRE CSA PROGRAM, STAFF INCLUDED. 
          NOW THAT IT'S PART OF DSS, YOU GET REIMBURSEMENT FROM THE STATE, WHICH COINCIDENTALLY ABOUT $45,000 A YEAR. 
          SO, UM, FOR REALLY NO NEW INVESTMENT ON YOUR PART MM-HMM . 
          WE COULD REAP SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS IN THE LONG RUN. 
          PLUS, THE EASIER IT IS TO REUNIFY A FAMILY, THE LESS TIME A CHILD STAYS IN FOSTER CARE. 
          YEAH. 
          THE LESS IT COSTS ANYWAY AND STRONGER THE COMMUNITY IS BECAUSE KIDS ARE STAYING ACTUALLY AT HOME. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, AND, AND SETTING THE COST SAVINGS ASIDE, TO ME, JUST AS IMPORTANT AS THE FACT THAT YOU GUYS CAN MONITOR A LOT BETTER WITH THE KIDS BEING CLOSER, RIGHT. 
          WHEN THEY'RE IN NORFOLK AND YOU ONLY HAVE TO SEE THEM ONCE A MONTH, THAT'S ABOUT AS GOOD AS IT'S GONNA GET ONCE A MONTH BECAUSE OF YOUR, YOUR CLIENT LOAD AND THE DISTANCE. 
          WHERE NOW IF THERE HAD LOCAL AND YOU SENSE THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO SEE 'EM MORE OFTEN, YOU, YOU'VE GOT THE ACCESSIBILITY TO DO THAT. 
          SO THAT'S THE BENEFIT TO THE CHILD AND THE FAMILY OF GETTING THEM TOGETHER A LOT QUICKER AS WELL. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S ALWAYS THE END GOAL. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THIS, THIS SOUNDS REALLY GOOD. 
          UM, MY SISTER-IN-LAW DOES FOSTER, UH, SHE'S A VOLUNTEER, BUT SHE DOES FOSTER CASEWORK AND, UH, FOR FAIRFAX COUNTY. 
          AND, UH, IT'S VERY INTERESTING TO HEAR THE STORIES AND LIKE THERE, THERE'S CONFIDENTIALITY, BUT SHE CAN SHARE GENERAL DETAILS. 
          UM, AND, BUT THEY'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO REUNITE THE FAMILY AND SOMETIMES IT'S VERY HARD. 
          UM, AND, UH, ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO MAKE IT EASIER IS, IS A GOOD THING. 
          SO KEEPING THEM LOCAL AND, AND, AND THEY CAN SEE THEIR, MAYBE THEY CAN STILL SEE THEIR FRIENDS OR, UH, MAYBE THEY CAN GO TO THE SAME SCHOOL STILL, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, OR SEE THEIR COUSINS WHO, WHOEVER, YOU KNOW RIGHT. 
          UH, AND KIND OF KNOW, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE FAMILIAR, WHATEVER, MARTINS OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, IT'S, AND, AND THE SCHOOL IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, TAKING A CHILD FROM THEIR SCHOOL FROM THEIR FRIENDS WHERE THEY SEE EVERY DAY, UM, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'RE IN SCHOOL IN RICHMOND, OR YOU'RE IN SCHOOL IN VIRGINIA BEACH. 
          YEAH. 
          OR NEWPORT NEWS IS A LOT DIFFERENT THAN BEING IN SCHOOL HERE IN WARREN COUNTY WHERE YOU KNOW YOUR TEACHERS AND YOU KNOW, UM, YOUR FRIENDS AND, AND YOUR SURROUNDINGS. 
          WELL, THE OTHER THING WE'VE BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE REMOTE MEETINGS WHEN THE KIDS ARE SO FAR AWAY, INSTEAD OF WE'RE DOING 'EM VIRTUALLY, WHERE NOW THEY'LL BE CLOSE ENOUGH TO BE PHYSICALLY IN THE MEETINGS AND BE ABLE TO ACCESS THAT WHOLE EXPERIENCE MUCH BETTER. 
          WHICH WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT THE CONCERN ABOUT THAT DURING, UH, CPMT MEETING, SO. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND, UH, IS THE SAVINGS NUMBER THAT YOU HAD, IS THAT CONSERVATIVE? BECAUSE YOU SAID IF EVEN HALF WENT IN, BUT MAYBE MORE THAN HALF COULD BE PLACED LOCALLY, UM, UNDER THIS PROGRAM. 
          YEAH. 
          I WANTED TO BE VERY CONSERVATIVE WITH OUR, UM, ESTIMATES OF THE SAVINGS. 
          BUT YOU, IT COULD END UP TO BE VERY SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE CSA COST SITTING ON CPMT, AND THEY HAD TO COME BACK, UH, THIS PAST FISCAL YEAR AND ASK FOR MORE MONEY BECAUSE OF ALL THE KIDS THAT WERE COMING IN. 
          AND, UM, THE PRIVATE DAY SCHOOL COSTS ARE JUST EXPLODING. 
          I KNOW THEY TRIED TO PUT A CAP ON IT THIS YEAR, UM, UNSUCCESSFUL WITH THAT. 
          AND, UM, YOU, YOU'RE TALKING 80 TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR FOR ONE CHILD TO GO TO PRIVATE DAY SCHOOL. 
          AND THE COUNTY HAS VERY LITTLE SAY IN DOING THAT. 
          SO WHERE CAN WE REAP SOME SAVINGS THROUGH THAT PROGRAM? AND IT'S THROUGH THE FOSTER CARE END OF IT. 
          SO, UM, IS THIS, ARE THE PEOPLE THAT PUT THIS TOGETHER ESSENTIALLY, UM, MARKETING AND RECRUITING TO GET MORE FOSTER FAMILIES, AND THEN AS A POOL, ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE AGREEMENT ARE BENEFITING FROM THAT? THEY GOT, I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T QUITE HEAR THAT. 
          SHE'S SAYING YES, YOU'RE ASKING IF THEY'RE RECRUITING. 
          SO YES. 
          AND THE, THE ONE PERSON, THE ONE EMPLOYEE WOULD BE THE ONE RECRUITING AND IT BENEFITS ALL OF US, ALL THE SURROUNDING AREAS THAT JOIN THIS GROUP. 
          SO THEY'RE JUST MORE EFFECTIVE AT FIGURING OUT HOW TO DO THAT. 
          YES. 
          I MEAN, THEY MUST, AND FOSTER CARE PARENTS ALSO HAVE MORE SUPPORT WITHIN THIS GROUP. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ONE QUESTION IS, IS THEY, THEY PROMISE A MINIMUM OF 50% PLACEMENT RATE? UM, IS THAT HOW THEY DO THAT? , 
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THEY HAVE BIG VOLUME OKAY. 
          OF, OF FOSTER PARENTS WHO ARE AVAILABLE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, SO HOPEFULLY THAT WORKS OUT. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          PROMISE, NOT GUARANTEED . 
          UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, FOR THE PAST THREE QUARTERS, THEY HAVE REPORTED THAT THEY'VE HAD 100% PLACEMENT LOCALLY, EVEN WITH TEENAGERS WHO ARE NOTORIOUSLY DIFFICULT TO FIND PLACEMENTS FOR JOHN. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          BUT THIS STARTED WITH THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS UP THERE CREATING IT IN ORDER TO SAVE MONEY THEMSELVES. 
          YES. 
          SO IT, IT WASN'T A, A VENDOR WHO JUST DECIDED TO START A NEW BUSINESS. 
          IT WAS FREDERICK AND WINCHESTER DSA, THEY'RE JUST WIDENING THEM. 
          FREDERICK WINCHESTER, UH, IT STARTED FIVE OR SIX YEARS AGO, AND THEY INVITED ALL THE LOCALITIES, BUT THOSE ARE THE ONLY THREE WHO WERE INTERESTED AT THE TIME. 
          UM, AND IT'S SUPPOSED TO ROTATE BETWEEN THE MEMBERS WHO HOUSES THE WORKERS, BUT IT HASN'T MOVED SINCE COVID. 
          UM, THIS YEAR IT'S MOVING FROM FREDERICK TO WINCHESTER. 
          SO THEY OPENED IT UP AND WE WERE QUICK TO, TO POUNCE ON THE OPPORTUNITY. 
          CHRISTIE OR JOHN, COULD YOU EXPLAIN, UM, THE CURRENT SYSTEM WITH THE TFCS? THOSE ARE GENERALLY, IF I'M, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THEY ARE AN AGENCY, CORRECT? THE DSS THROUGHOUT THE STATE, UM, CONTRACTS WITH FOUR FOSTER PARENTING, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE YOUR UNITED METHODIST FAMILY SERVICES, YOU HAVE, UM, CHILDREN SERVICES OF VIRGINIA. 
          YOU HAVE, UM, SEVERAL OTHERS. 
          AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE BUSINESS AND THEY RECRUIT AND TRAIN THE THERAPEUTIC FOSTER PARENTS. 
          AND BECAUSE THEY'RE A BUSINESS, THEY'RE GONNA CHARGE YOU AS MUCH AS THEY THINK THE MARKET CAN BEAR. 
          UM, IF I RECRUIT A FAMILY HERE IN WARREN COUNTY AND THEY'RE JUST WORKING WITH US OR WORKING WITH CFW, UH, WE'RE CALLING IT CFW SQUARED. 
          NOW, UM, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT OVERHEAD. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE THAT CHARGE. 
          AND SO YOU'RE JUST CHARGING THE BASIC RATE, NOT THE ENHANCED RATE FOR MAINTENANCE. 
          AND THE ANSWER RATE CAN BE A COUPLE THOUSAND DOLLARS A MONTH, UM, PER CHILD FOR THAT. 
          BUT THAT'S CURRENTLY WHERE A LOT OF OUR FOSTER FAMILIES ARE COMING FROM BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY LOCAL LIKE THIS RIGHT. 
          TO TAP INTO. 
          SO CURRENTLY THE PROCESS IS TO LOOK FOR LOCAL MM-HMM . 
          I'M SORRY. 
          CURRENTLY THE PROCESS IS TO LOOK FOR LOCAL AND THEN GO TO A T FFC UNLESS THE NEED OF THE CHILD IS DIFFERENT. 
          AND SO WHEN YOU GO FOR LOCAL, WE, WE JUST DON'T FIND ANYBODY. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SO OUR NEXT STEP IS OUR TFCS. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I UNDERSTOOD THAT. 
          BUT I WANTED THEM TO BE UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, THAT CURRENTLY, YOU KNOW, WE ARE DEALING A LOT WITH A COMPANY FOR BUSINESS FOR THIS, AND THAT'S WHY THAT COST IS SO HIGH. 
          THE, THE TFC FAMILY, FOSTER PARENTS ARE PAID AT A HIGHER LEVEL, BUT THIS COMPANY THEN CHARGES A FEE, A FINDER'S FEE, I GUESS, WHICH YOU WOULD IN A WAY CALL IT. 
          SO, AND UNFORTUNATELY, WHAT WE FOUND IS WITH THAT FEE IS SUPPOSED TO BE CASE MANAGEMENT, BUT THEY DON'T, UH, OUR WORKERS STILL HAVE TO GO SOLVE THE PROBLEMS AND DEAL WITH THE FOSTER PARENTS AND DEAL WITH THE SCHOOLS AND ALL THE THINGS THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE GETTING FOR OUR MONEY FOR THAT CASE MANAGEMENT. 
          WE DO OURSELVES. 
          SO WHY PAY THAT HIGHER RATE WHEN WE DON'T, IF WE DON'T HAVE TO? SO, UH, THE OTHER ITEM I WANTED TO BRING TO THE BOARD'S ATTENTION IS STAFF. 
          UH, WE CURRENTLY HAVE 51 STAFF MEMBERS, AND, UM, OF THOSE OVER HALF ACTUALLY LIVE IN WARREN COUNTY. 
          UH, THEY'RE WARREN COUNTY RESIDENTS. 
          I MYSELF LIVE IN WARREN COUNTY. 
          I LIVE IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL AND, UM, MY WIFE'S FAMILY, UM, MS. MEADOWS IS MY SISTER-IN-LAW. 
          AND, UM, MYRA'S FAMILY HERE. 
          THAT'S WHY WE CAME HERE. 
          UH, THAT'S WHY WE ALL LOVE BEING HERE AND WE LOVE BEING A PART OF THIS AGENCY BECAUSE WE CAN HAVE AN IMPACT ON OUR COMMUNITY. 
          UM, I, I WAS DOING A LITTLE RESEARCH AND I CAME ACROSS, UH, THE COMMON LAW OF BUSINESS BALANCE IS THE AARON TRIANGLE. 
          AND THEY SAY THERE ARE THREE THINGS THAT YOU'RE ALWAYS WANT BUSINESS. 
          YOU WANT IT FAST, YOU WANT IT GOOD, AND YOU WANT IT CHEAP. 
          UH, UNFORTUNATELY, YOU CAN ONLY EVER HAVE TWO OF THOSE THINGS, RIGHT? IF IT'S GONNA BE FAST AND CHEAP, IT'S NOT GONNA BE GOOD. 
          UH, IF YOU WANNA FAST AND GOOD, IT AIN'T GONNA BE CHEAP. 
          UM, SO WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT WE PAY OUR SPECIALISTS, AND I GOT THIS INFORMATION FROM THE WARREN COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOL WEBSITE. 
          A NEW TEACHER OUT OF SCHOOL, RIGHT OUTTA SCHOOL FOR GRADES ONE THROUGH FIVE, HAS A FOUR YEAR DEGREE, HAS TO BE ELIGIBLE TO ACQUIRE APPROPRIATE LICENSE, IS NOT ON CALL AND WORKS. 
          A 10 MONTH SCHEDULE STARTS A $52,426 
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A CPS SPECIALIST. 
          AN A PS SPECIALIST, A FOSTER CARE SPECIALIST, HAS TO HAVE A FOUR YEAR DEGREE. 
          THEY HAVE TO BE ELIGIBLE TO ACQUIRE A CERTIFICATION THROUGH THE STATE. 
          THEY HAVE TO BE ON CALL, AND THEY WORK 12 MONTHS. 
          AND I CAN ONLY START THEM AT $41,432. 
          UM, WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO HIRE PEOPLE WHEN WE HAVE VACANCIES THAT MY VACANCY RATE IS ONLY 13%. 
          FOUR YEARS AGO IT WAS 60%. 
          SO I CAN HIRE PEOPLE. 
          WHAT I CAN'T DO IS ENTICE THEM TO STAY BECAUSE I'M HIRING THEM RIGHT OUTTA SCHOOL. 
          NOBODY WITH EXPERIENCE IS GONNA COME FOR $41,432. 
          AND SO THERE'S A CONSTANT CHURN AND TURNOVER, WHICH COSTS YOU MONEY IN THE LONG RUN BECAUSE YOU'RE LOSING PRODUCTIVITY, YOU'RE LOSING, UM, YOU ARE HAVING TO CONSTANTLY TRAIN STAFF TO BE ABLE TO DO THE JOB. 
          WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT OUR NEIGHBORS ARE MAKING, AND WE LOOKED AT FREDERICK PAGE, RAPPAHANNOCK, SHENANDOAH, AND WINCHESTER, WE ARE CONSISTENTLY UNDER WHAT THEY PAY. 
          UM, A HUMAN SERVICES ASSISTANT IN WARREN COUNTY AVERAGES $30,000 SALARY, UH, AND GO TO ANOTHER COUNTY NEAR US TO MAKE 35. 
          OUR BENEFIT PROGRAM SPECIALISTS WHO DO SNAP, WHO DO MEDICAID, WHO DO TNF, WHO DO VIEW, WHO DO CHILDCARE, WHO DO ENERGY, WHO DO FOUR E PROGRAMS, WHO DO, UM, UH, THE AG PROGRAMS, UH, AVERAGE SALARY IS $36,000 AND THEY CAN MAKE 14% MORE BY GOING OVER THE COUNTY LINE. 
          OUR FAMILY SERVICE SPECIALISTS AVERAGE 43, AND THEY CAN MAKE ALMOST $50,000. 
          SO WE ARE WELL BELOW WHAT OUR NEIGHBORS ARE MAKING THERE. 
          NOW, I'M NOT GONNA BE STAND UP HERE AND SAY, MONEY IS EVERYTHING BECAUSE IT ISN'T. 
          AND THE REASON WHY OUR STAFFING LEVELS ARE WHERE WE ARE IS 'CAUSE WE ARE A REALLY GOOD PLACE TO WORK. 
          UM, WE DO OUR BEST TO ENTICE PEOPLE TO WORK HERE, TO TREAT THEM WITH RESPECT, TO GIVE THEM THE TOOLS THAT THEY NEED. 
          AND SO WE DO HAVE PEOPLE WHO HAVE LEFT AND COME BACK BECAUSE THEY'VE REALIZED MONEY WASN'T EVERYTHING. 
          BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO PAY YOUR BILLS. 
          YOU STILL HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE FOR YOUR FAMILY. 
          I'M NOT ASKING FOR US TO BE MAKE UP THAT 15% DIFFERENCE BECAUSE THAT'S A, NOT REALISTIC. 
          AND B, WE'RE NOT THE ONLY WARREN COUNTY AGENCY IN THAT. 
          UM, I KNOW FIRE AND RESCUE HAS THE SAME STORY. 
          I KNOW THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT HAS THE SAME STORY. 
          I KNOW ALL OF OUR OTHER DEPARTMENTS HAVE THE SAME EXPERIENCE, SO WE'RE NOT UNIQUE IN THAT. 
          BUT I FELT IT NECESSARY JUST TO BRING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION, THAT THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT WE ARE ABLE TO PAY OUR PEOPLE AND MAKES IT SO MUCH HARDER TO KEEP GOOD PEOPLE, EXPERIENCED. 
          PEOPLE WHO ARE ABLE TO DO THE JOB. 
          GO BACK TO, I CAN GET YOU TO YOU FAST. 
          I CAN GET IT TO YOU GOOD, BUT I CAN'T GET IT TO YOU FAST, GOOD AND CHEAP. 
          UM, THE COST OF TURNOVER. 
          YOU DO YOUR RESEARCH AND YOU FIND ESTIMATES THAT ANYWHERE FROM 70 TO 200% OF A BASIC SALARY TO REPLACE SOMEBODY, UM, I'VE SEEN ESTIMATES ALL OVER THE BOARD, UM, CONSERVATIVELY ONE AND A HALF TIMES SALARY. 
          AND YOU'RE SIMPLY WASTING MONEY BY HAVING TO CONSTANTLY RECRUIT, BY HAVING TO CONSTANTLY REPLACE, HAVING TO CONSTANTLY TRAIN YOUR PEOPLE. 
          YOU'RE NOT GETTING YOUR MONEY'S WORTH. 
          AND WE AT SOCIAL SERVICES WANNA MAKE SURE WARREN COUNTY IS GETTING THEIR MONEY'S WORTH FOR EVERY SINGLE PENNY THAT GOES INTO THE BUDGET. 
          THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY AND THE GOVERNOR PASSED A 3% RAISE FOR ALL STATE EMPLOYEES AND STATE SUPPORTED EMPLOYEES. 
          WE ARE CONSIDERED STATE SUPPORTED EMPLOYEES BECAUSE WHILE WE WORK FOR WARREN COUNTY, I WORK FOR YOU, THE STATE AND THE FEDS GIVE US MONEY TO OFFSET THE COST OF IT. 
          SO THERE'S A 3% RAISE FOR ALL STATE SUPPORT EMPLOYEES ALREADY IN THE BUDGET. 
          WE'RE JUST WAITING FOR THE GOVERNOR TO SIGN IT. 
          NOW, THEY ALSO DID PASS A ONE AND A HALF PERCENT ONETIME BONUS FOR STATE SUPPORTED EMPLOYEES. 
          AND BONUSES ARE ROUGH. 
          THEY'RE SO ROUGH, UM, AND RARELY WORTH YOUR TIME AND EFFORT TO DO BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND YOU HAVE TO PASS A RESOLUTION AND YOU HAVE TO, AND THE TAXES ARE UP TO 50%. 
          AND SO BY THE TIME YOU GET YOUR BONUS, YOU DIDN'T GET A BONUS, REALLY. 
          UM, SO WE ARE CONCERNED WITH THE 3% THAT THE GOVERNOR AND THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY HAS PUT FORTH. 
          UH, DSS HAS SAID THAT YOU GET YOUR MONEY AS LONG AS THE COUNTY SAYS IT'S OKAY. 
          IF THE COUNTY SAYS NO, WELL THEN YOU DON'T GET ANY MONEY. 
          UM, THEY KEEP IT ALL. 
          WHAT I AM REQUESTING IN THIS BUDGET IS A 5% INCREASE FOR EVERYBODY BUT ME, UM, 
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TO HELP TO FRAY THE DIFFERENCE, THE 15 TO 14% DIFFERENCE THAT WE HAVE TO TRY TO TELL OUR PEOPLE, I'M NOT GONNA PAY YOU WHAT YOU CAN MAKE IN FREDERICK OR LOUDON OR WHATEVER, BUT YOU ARE VALUABLE TO US. 
          WE NOT ONLY HAVE GIVEN YOU A WONDERFUL PLACE TO WORK, BUT WE ARE PUTTING OUR MONEY WHERE OUR MOUTH IS AND SAYING, YOU ARE VALUABLE TO US. 
          YOU ARE A VALUABLE COMMODITY TO US. 
          YOU ARE VALUABLE TO OUR COMMUNITY, AND WE WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT. 
          AND WE WANT YOU TO BE HERE. 
          WE'VE DONE OTHER THINGS TO, UM, YOU KNOW, ENTICE PEOPLE TO STAY. 
          WE ARE PUTTING IN A CAREER LADDER, WHICH TO DEFINES HOW YOU CAN WORK YOUR WAY UP. 
          UM, WE ARE JOINING THE COUNTY, UM, WITH THE, UM, MERIT INCREASES AS WELL. 
          UM, NOW THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO REDO ALL OF OUR EVALUATIONS, UM, DIFFERENT THINGS TO SHOW OUR PEOPLE HOW IMPORTANT THEY ARE TO US, BUT THEY MAKE 11 TO 15% LESS THAN THEY COULD JUST BY GOING OVER A COUNTY LINE. 
          I NEEDED TO BRING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION. 
          I UNDERSTAND IT'S A TOUGH BUDGET YEAR. 
          I GET IT. 
          UM, AND I UNDERSTAND THIS MAY NOT BE APPROVED, BUT I WOULD NOT BE DOING THE JOB THAT YOU PAY ME TO DO IF I DID NOT BRING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION. 
          OUR CSA BUDGET IS BASICALLY FLAT FROM LAST YEAR BECAUSE WE ARE STILL DIGGING OUT, UH, FROM IT. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE HEARD THE STORIES OF, UH, WE HAVE 32 BOXES OF LOOSE PAPERS DELIVERED TO OUR OFFICE AND IT TOOK US A COUPLE MONTHS JUST TO SORT THEM TO GO THROUGH THEM. 
          UM, WE WERE JUST AUDITED BY THE STATE, NOT A GOOD AUDIT, UM, 35 FINDINGS. 
          UH, BUT WE FIXED THEM, FIXED 'EM ALL. 
          UM, SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE FORECASTING A FLAT, UM, CSA BUDGET MOVING FORWARD. 
          UM, I EXPECT NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET REQUEST TO BE LESS FOR CSA ONCE THIS JOINING THE CFW SQUARED PROGRAM KICKS IN. 
          UH, YOUR REIMBURSEMENT RATES ARE DIFFERENT, UH, FOR YOUR CSA PROGRAM THAN THEY ARE FOR DSS GENERALLY FOR DSS PROGRAMS, UH, OVERALL YOU'RE GONNA GET ABOUT A 75% REIMBURSEMENT FOR EVERY DOLLAR YOU SPEND. 
          YOU'LL GET 75 CENTS BACK FROM THE STATE OF THE FEDS. 
          UH, IT'S 39 CENTS ANOTHER DOLLAR FOR CSA. 
          UM, SO THE BOTTOM LINE, THE TOTAL BUDGET'S $9.5 MILLION AND OH, I SAW THAT AND I WAS LIKE, OH MY GOSH, , I CAN'T GO AND SAY I NEED $9.5 MILLION, UM, UNTIL I REALIZED, OKAY, IT'S PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AS IT WAS LAST YEAR. 
          IT'S JUST TWO PROGRAMS ROLLED INTO ONE, UM, BUDGET LINE. 
          SO OUR BUDGET LAST YEAR FOR DSS WAS OVER $6 MILLION. 
          UM, AND IT'S PRETTY MUCH THE SAME THIS YEAR. 
          UM, SEPARATELY 6.5 FOR DSS, 2.9 FOR CSA. 
          ALL FEDERAL REIMBURSEMENTS COME THROUGH THE DSS PROGRAMS. THERE IS NO FEDERAL REIMBURSEMENT FOR CSA. 
          THE ONLY 39% YOU GET IS FROM THE STATE ON THAT. 
          SO WHEN YOU SAY IT'S, UM, WHEN YOU ADD THE TWO PROGRAMS TOGETHER, IT'S ABOUT THE SAME AS LAST YEAR. 
          IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, LAST YEAR FOR CSA, UH, THEY CAME FORTH, UM, SAYING THEY NEEDED BASICALLY AN EXTRA MILLION BECAUSE OF, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT CHANGE IF IT WAS THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN IN IT OR, UH, OR THERE WAS A, A MANDATE CHANGE. 
          BUT, UM, IT, I THINK IT WAS A LITTLE OF BOTH. 
          UH, BUT WE DIDN'T ALLOCATE THE FULL MILLION. 
          WE ONLY ALLOCATED 500 AND KIND OF ROLLED THE DICE TO SEE HOW MUCH WE WOULD ACTUALLY USE. 
          UM, AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF, IF Y'ALL KNOW WHERE WE ARE, WE STAND ON THAT, BUT IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE IF THE, THE ABOUT THE SAME AS LAST YEAR INCLUDES THE, THE FULL MILLION OF THAT CSA BUMP OR JUST THE 500. 
          THE, UH, WHAT, UH, JOHN IS TALKING ABOUT IS WE PUT 500,000, AS YOU SUGGESTED, OF EXACTLY WHAT THE BOARD DID AND WE DID NOT HAVE TO PUT A SECOND, UH, 500,000 WITH IT. 
          I BELIEVE WE DID THE WHOLE THING. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          AND IT'S SO FAR THIS YEAR IT'S TRACKING LIKE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THE SAME THING. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT IS CSA EXPENSES ARE CONTINUING TO SKYROCKET. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, I THINK, I THINK LAST YEAR WAS PROPOSED THAT WE DO THE 500,000 AND THEN IF NECESSARY WE DO THE OTHER 500,000. 
          AND AS IT CAME TO THE END OF THE YEAR, THE BOARD DID APPROVE A SECOND ADJUSTMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT WAS MORE THAN 500,000 THOUGH, WASN'T IT? IT WAS, WASN'T IT LIKE A, A A 2 MILLION OR A MILLION? YEAH. 
          I'M GONNA HAVE TO GET YOU SOME NUMBERS. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          THEY DID NOT FRESH IN MY HEAD. 
          DO YOU KNOW, JOHN, DO YOU REMEMBER, DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT, WHAT THAT WHAT, WHAT CSA CAME BACK AND HAD? YEAH, THEY, THEY ASKED FOR THE, THE, THE MILLION AND I THINK THAT THE HALF A MILLION WAS PUT UP. 
          I'M NOT PROJECTING MEETING THAT MOVING FORWARD. 
          UM, AND ONE OF THE RULES THAT, UM, MICKEY KNOWS WELL ABOUT OUR BUDGET IS, UM, YOU NEVER COME BACK AND ASK FOR MORE MONEY . 
          SO YOU WORK WITH 
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THE BUDGET THAT YOU'RE GIVEN AND YOU DO YOUR BEST TO MAKE SURE THAT LASTS. 
          I'M NOT PROJECTING HAVING TO COME BACK. 
          I THINK THERE WERE SOME EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES THIS PAST YEAR PLUS THE TURNOVER IN THE OFFICE AND THINGS NOT RUNNING GREAT, UM, CONTRIBUTED TO THAT AS WELL. 
          UM, BETWEEN THE SAVINGS THAT WE'RE PROJECTING WITH THE ONE PROGRAM AND JUST MANAGING IT PROPERLY, I DON'T SEE HAVING TO COME BACK AND I WILL EAT MY WORDS IF I HAVE TO AND TAKE MY LICKS IF I HAVE TO ON THAT. 
          BUT I'M NOT PROJECTING THAT MR. MEZ, THE CURRENT FINANCIAL REPORTING FOR CPMT DOES TRACK IT. 
          HIGHER EXPENDITURES FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR, FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR. 
          FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR. 
          MM-HMM . 
          NOT FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WHEN YOU SAID YOU HAD ABOUT A 13% STAFF VACANCY, RIGHT NOW IT'S AT ABOUT EIGHT PEOPLE, GIVE OR TAKE. 
          UM, I'M SORRY, WHEN YOU SAID YOU'RE, YOU, YOU HAVE ABOUT A 13% VACANCY RATE RIGHT NOW FOR YOUR STAFF. 
          UH, YOUR CASEWORKERS, IS THAT ABOUT AN EIGHT PER EIGHT PEOPLE CAN TAKE IT CURRENTLY? I'VE GOT THREE VACANCIES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THE WAY STAFF THE STATE DOES IT IS THEY LOOK AT YOUR OVERALL NUMBER OF POSITIONS AND THE OVERALL NUMBER OF PEOPLE YOU'VE HAD TO HIRE OVER THE PAST YEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO IT'S RIGHT AROUND 13%, WHICH IS THE STATE AVERAGE. 
          OKAY. 
          A NATIONAL AVERAGE FOR SOCIAL SERVICES. 
          UM, LIKE I TELL YOU, FOR INSTANCE, THE VACANT STREET IN CLARK COUNTY DSS IS 80%, UM, RIGHT NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          I DID CONTRIBUTE TO THAT. 
          I TOOK A COUPLE OF THEIR WORKERS, . 
          BUT, UM, HOW ARE YOU PULLING THEIR WORKERS IF WE'RE PAYING LESS? I'M SORRY. 
          YOU'RE PULLING THEIR WORKERS EVEN THOUGH WE PAY LESS. 
          YES, SIR. 
          HOW, UM, WORD OF MOUTH. 
          IT, IT IS A GOOD PLACE TO WORK. 
          YOU SAID IT'S A GOOD PLACE TO WORK. 
          WE CARE ABOUT YOU. 
          UM, YEAH. 
          WE'VE HAD PEOPLE COME TO OUR OFFICE AND AND SAY, YOU KNOW, I THEY, IF THEY KNEW THEIR DIRECTOR, THEY WERE AFRAID OF THE DIRECTOR COMING BY 'CAUSE THEY WERE GONNA GET YELLED AT. 
          UM, CHRISTIE YELLS AT PEOPLE, I DON'T . 
          UM, JUST KIDDING. 
          SHE DOESN'T YELL AT ANYBODY. 
          UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE TREAT OUR PEOPLE WITH RESPECT. 
          I WAS GONNA SAY, BE HONEST ABOUT GOOD LOOKS. 
          WHAT CAN I SAY? SO THE REASON THEY ARE SUCCESSFUL OUT THERE IS SIMPLY THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE CREATED IT A GOOD PLACE TO WORK. 
          IT'S A PLACE PEOPLE WANT TO COME TO AND THEY JOINTLY DESERVE CREDIT FOR THIS AND CHANGING THAT ORGANIZATION FROM WHERE IT WAS. 
          YEAH, DEFINITELY. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          I'VE, I'VE GONE, OF COURSE, I'M ON THEIR BOARD REPRESENTATIVE FOR HERE AND, UM, I'VE GONE TO SOME OF THE FUNCTIONS THAT THEY'VE HAD AND IT IS LIKE A FAMILY AND IT'S A VERY FUN LOVING FAMILY . 
          UM, IT GETS, IT GETS A LITTLE INTERESTING, UM, THE FUN THEY HAVE AND THE DIFFERENT LITTLE, I THINK YOUR ROOM IS FULL OF DUCKS AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO EXPLAIN THE DUCK THING, BUT, UM, IT IS, AND THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF A LITTLE THINGS THAT TAKE THE STRESS OUT AND IT MAKES, 'CAUSE THAT IS A STRESSFUL JOB AND THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO HAVE FUN, BUT GET THEIR JOB DONE. 
          AND I, I DO, YOU GUYS ARE TO BE COMMENDED FOR THAT. 
          FOUR YEARS AGO WE STARTED A GOODWILL COMMITTEE. 
          UH, THEY NAMED THE SOCIAL PRACTICE CLUB. 
          THERE'S A REPRESENTATIVE FROM EVERY UNIT IN IT. 
          AND ONE OF THE THINGS THEY DID IS EVERY MONTH IF YOU PAID YOUR DUES, YOU GOT A LITTLE RUBBER DUCK. 
          AND NOW IT'S BECOME OBS AN OBSESSION TO THE POINT WHERE CHRISTIE SAID MAYBE WE SHOULD SCALE BACK THE DUCKS. 
          AND THAT WENT OVER LIKE A LEAD BALLOON AND SHE GOT A VERY SPECIAL DUCK, UM, AS PRIZE FOR THAT THAT WE WON'T SHOW ON CAMERA, UM, FOR THAT. 
          BUT WE TRY TO DO DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          UM, MARCH 15TH, UH, MARCH 14TH, I'M SORRY, 3.14 INTERNATIONAL PIE DAY. 
          AND SO WE'RE CELEBRATING PIE DAY WITH A LUNCHEON WHERE WE'RE HAVING PIZZA PIES AND PEOPLE ARE BAKING PIES AND BRINGING IT IN CONTESTS. 
          WE DO AN ANNUAL CHILI COOKOFF AND UM, OUR JUDGES COME FOR THAT. 
          UM, CHRISTMAS PARTIES, SANTA SHOWS UP. 
          AND UM, SO JUST DIFFERENT WAYS WE TRY TO SHOW OUR PEOPLE, NOT JUST, I'M A BIG BELIEVER AND I TELL MY 15-YEAR-OLD THIS ALL THE TIME, UM, YOU KNOW, WORDS WITHOUT ACTIONS ARE MEANINGLESS AND WE DON'T WANNA BE THE KIND OF PLACE WHERE WE SAY WE APPRECIATE YOU SO MUCH, GET BACK TO WORK , UM, SHOWING OUR PEOPLE HOW MUCH WE APPRECIATE THEM AND JUMPING IN. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, UH, ONE REASON I'LL SPEAK FOR CHRISTIE, THAT WE LOVE OUR JOB SO MUCH IS THAT I CAN SPEND THE MORNING WORKING DIRECTLY WITH THE CLIENT, ANSWERING A QUESTION ON TIANA, HELPING THEM WITH SNAP, HELPING THEM GET MEDICAID. 
          AND THEN IN THE AFTERNOON I CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE COMMISSIONER'S OFFICE ABOUT YOUR DECISIONS HAVE A DIRECT IMPACT ON PEOPLE. 
          AND I SEE IT EVERY SINGLE DAY. 
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WE GET THAT OPPORTUNITY. 
          AND THAT IS WHY I LOVE WHAT I DO. 
          AND I LOVE WHAT I DO HERE AS A UNIQUE GROUP OF PEOPLE. 
          UM, I'M GRATEFUL EVERY DAY THAT THE OPPORTUNITY THAT DR. 
          DALEY HAS GIVEN ME AND THE BOARD CONTINUES TO GIVE ME, UH, TO BE A PART OF THEIR GROUP. 
          UM, TRULY HUMBLING TO BE THEIR LEADER. 
          UM, AND, UH, EVEN WHEN THEY DECIDE THEY'RE GONNA LEAVE AND ABANDON ME, UM, WE SAY SOME PEOPLE JUST SAY THEY HAVE TO RETIRE. 
          UH, UM, IF YOU LOVE WHAT YOU DO, YOU DON'T. 
          RIGHT. 
          , SO NO PRESSURE ON YOU. 
          POOR. 
          UM, ANY QUESTIONS I CAN ANSWER FOR THE BOARD TONIGHT? UM, AS ALWAYS, WE ARE ALWAYS AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. 
          IF YOU EVER WANT TO COME SPEND AN AFTERNOON WITH US AND SEE FIRSTHAND, UH, WHAT WE DO AND HOW WE DO IT, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO DO THAT AS WELL AS STAFF WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOU. 
          WELL, I WILL SAY, AND I AM NOT A FAN OF BONUSES AND I'VE GOTTEN MYSELF IN TROUBLE SINCE BEING ON THIS BOARD FOR SPEAKING OUT AGAINST BONUSES. 
          I WOULD'VE MUCH RATHER SEEN OUR LEGISLATORS AND THE GOVERNOR TAKE WHATEVER THAT AMOUNT IS AND MAKE THAT PERCENTAGE, UM, YOU KNOW, PUT IT TOWARDS OUR CORE SERVICE PEOPLE THAT WE ALL KNOW, YOU KNOW, DSS, LAW ENFORCEMENT, ALL THOSE ARE, UM, NEED THE EXTRA PAY. 
          AND THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL STANCE ON THAT. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN SEND THAT MESSAGE AND THEY CAN CHANGE THAT BONUS UNTIL SOMETHING THAT'S MEANINGFUL FOR RETIREMENT AND RETENTION. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT I, I JUST, I DON'T, LIKE YOU SAY BY THE TIME YOU GET THE, UM, WHAT LITTLE IS LEFT AFTER THE PROCESS OF GETTING A BONUS, IT'S A, A DAY SHOPPING AND A DINNER OUT AND THAT JUST DOESN'T HELP THE BOTTOM LINE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE WANNA DO. 
          SO I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS, BUT I, I HATE BONUSES. 
          I'D RATHER SEE YOU GET THE INCREASE. 
          I'M PRETTY SURE I'M OVER MY TIME, BUT I HAVE TO GIVE A PLUG. 
          UM, THE DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES, THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES REALIZED THAT RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION IS A PROBLEM ACROSS THE BOARD FOR 120 LOCAL AGENCIES. 
          AND SO THEY STARTED A WORK GROUP, WHICH I HAD THE HONOR OF SERVING ON. 
          AND OF THE IDEAS THAT THEY CAME UP WITH TO INCREASE RECRUITMENT, TO INCREASE RETENTION, WE'RE ALREADY DOING 75% OF THEM. 
          THEY HAVE USED A LOT OF OUR IDEAS AND SPREAD IT THROUGHOUT THE STATE ON ONBOARDING AND, UM, HOW WE DO AN ORIENTATION FOR OUR PEOPLE AND THE WAY WE WRITE UP OUR EVALUATIONS AND, UM, THE DIFFERENT IDEAS THAT WE HAVE. 
          SO WE'RE PRETTY STOKED ABOUT THAT. 
          THEY TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HAVING A, AN EMBLEM. 
          THEY TALKED ABOUT HAVING, YOU KNOW, IDENTIFIABLE MISSION STATEMENT AND VISION STATEMENT AND YOUR WHY. 
          AND WE'VE HAD THOSE FOR YEARS NOW, FOUR YEARS. 
          WE'VE HAD ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. 
          SO WE ARE TRENDSETTERS, UH, FOR THE STATE. 
          AND THAT ALL CAME FROM THE PEOPLE THAT YOU HAVE WORKING THERE. 
          THE STAFF IS JUST AN AMAZING STAFF AND UM, UH, THEY NEED TO BE RECOGNIZED FOR THAT. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. 
          SORRY FOR GOING OVER. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          [C. Budget Request - Old Dominion ASAP]
SO NEXT WE HAVE, UH, ASAP. 
          UM, GOOD EVENING. 
          UM, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MY NAME IS BRIDGET MULLINS AND I'M THE SENIOR CASE MANAGER OVER AT OLD DOMINION ASAP SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF OUR DIRECTOR, JENNIFER MCBE, WHO IS UNFORTUNATELY HOMESICK. 
          SO HOPEFULLY I CAN DO HER JUSTICE TONIGHT. 
          UM, I'D LIKE TO START BY SINCERELY THANKING YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU ABOUT OLD DOMINION ASAP AND OUR FUNDING REQUEST. 
          THE VA SAP PROGRAM IS A STATE MANDATED PROGRAM, BOTH CRIMINALLY AND ADMINISTRATIVELY THAT IS PRIMARILY FUNDED BY OFFENDER FEES ONLY. 
          WHERE THIS IS IN DEFICIT IN OUR BUDGET, WE RELY ON OUR FUND BALANCE AND THE GENEROSITY OF JURISDICTIONS WE SERVE. 
          OUR AGENCY HAS EXPERIENCED A STEADY INCREASE IN REFERRALS FROM WARREN COUNTY, DEMONSTRATING THE GROWING NEED FOR OUR SERVICES AND FY 22, WE RECEIVED 156 REFERRALS, WHICH ROSE TO 226 BY FR 24. 
          THIS INCREASE HIGHLIGHTS THE IMPORTANCE OF MAINTAINING AND EXPANDING OUR PRESENCE IN THIS COMMUNITY. 
          OLD DOMINION ASAP PROVIDES ESSENTIAL CASE MANAGEMENT INTERVENTION EDUCATION AND PROBATIONARY SERVICES MANDATED BY THE COURTS AND THE VIRGINIA DMV TO ENHANCE HIGHWAY SAFETY BY REDUCING IMPAIRED DRIVING. 
          HOWEVER, DUE TO THE RISING COST OF TRAVEL, WE HAVE HAD TO SCALE BACK OUR PRESENCE IN WARREN COUNTY, MAKING IT DIFFICULT FOR CLIENTS TO MEET THEIR COURT MANDATED REQUIREMENTS TO ADDRESS THESE CHALLENGES AND TO BETTER SERVE OUR CLIENTS. 
          WE'RE REQUESTING $25,000 IN FUNDING. 
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THESE FUNDS WILL DIRECTLY ASSIST IN SUPPORTING STAFFING COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE INCREASED TRAVEL AND CASE MANAGEMENT THAT IS REQUIRED TO APPROPRIATELY ADDRESS THE NEEDS. 
          WE ARE DEEPLY GRATEFUL FOR WARREN COUNTY FOR ALLOWING US TO USE A COUNTY BUILDING FREE OF CHARGE. 
          CURRENTLY WE OPERATE FROM THIS FACILITY ONCE A WEEK, WHEREAS OUR SISTER AGENCY OPERATING UNDER A SEPARATE BUDGET AND FUNDING STREAM USES IT FOUR DAYS A WEEK. 
          GIVEN THE RISING DEMAND FOR OUR SERVICES, IT IS CRITICAL THAT WE INCREASE OUR PRESENCE TO AT LEAST TWO TO THREE DAYS PER WEEK TO EFFECTIVELY SUPPORT OUR CLIENTS. 
          WHILE THERE MAY BE SOME QUESTIONS AS TO WHETHER INCREASED REFERRALS ARE GOOD OR A BAD THING, LET IT BE NOTED THAT MANY MORE IMPAIRED DRIVERS WERE TAKEN OFF OF THE ROADWAYS IN WARREN COUNTY THROUGH EFFECTIVE LAW MANAGEMENT. 
          THE $25,000 IN REQUESTED FUNDS IS A MINIMUM PRICE FOR NEEDED INTERVENTION SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE COMPARED TO THE COST SAVINGS AND PROPERTY DAMAGE INSURANCE RATES, INJURIES, OR DEATH OF A PRICELESS HUMAN LIFE. 
          IN SUMMARY, THE INCREASE IN REFERRALS COMBINED WITH A RISING OPERATIONAL COSTS MAKE ADDITIONAL FUNDING ESSENTIAL. 
          YOUR SUPPORT WILL ENABLE US TO CONTINUE SERVING WARREN COUNTY RESIDENTS, HELPING THEM MEET THEIR OBLIGATIONS AND ULTIMATELY APPROVING COMMUNITY SAFETY. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, YOUR CONSIDERATION AND ONGOING PARTNERSHIP. 
          AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I WILL DO MY BEST TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. 
          WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WAS YOUR FUNDING LEVEL LAST YEAR? UM, OUR, OUR TOTAL FUNDING? UM, NO, NO, I MEAN FROM WARREN COUNTY. 
          I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT WE RECEIVED FUNDING FROM WARREN COUNTY LAST YEAR, BUT I CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THAT CORRECTION FROM IF FROM MS. MCBE BY END OF DAY FRIDAY, IF SO. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SHE'S CORRECT SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND I WILL SAY THAT UM, OUR CURRENT REFERRALS AS OF DECEMBER 31ST, 2024 WAS ALREADY 115. 
          UM, SO WE'RE PROBABLY ALREADY REACHING, YOU KNOW, GETTING TOWARDS THAT MORE 200 MARK ALREADY, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE'RE AT. 
          UM, I REALLY COMMEND MS. MCVAY AND THE WORK THAT SHE'S PUT INTO THE OLD DOMINION ASAP. 
          UM, AND THE WORK THAT HER AND I HAVE DONE TOGETHER, UH, THIS AGENCY IS VERY IMPORTANT AND CLOSE TO BOTH OF US. 
          UM, I THINK THAT IT IS SUPER AND SUPER IMPORTANT. 
          UM, ESPECIALLY, UM, WE HAVE DEFINITELY SEEN AN INCREASE IN IMPAIRED DRIVING ALL OVER THE STATE. 
          UM, AND ALSO WE HAVE HAD MULTIPLE, UM, DWI FATALITIES IN OUR AREA RECENTLY. 
          SO WHEN YOU SAID, UM, HITTING UPWARDS TO 200, IS THAT CLIENTS THAT YOU'RE WORKING WITH OUT OF WARREN COUNTY OR FOR ALL THE COUNTIES THAT YOU'RE, THAT WOULD BE OF WARREN COUNTY? YES. 
          UH, I WOULD SAY, UH, WE HAVE, WE SERVE SIX JURISDICTIONS. 
          OF THOSE SIX JURISDICTIONS, WARREN COUNTY IS OUR TOP OF OUR TOP THREE. 
          WHERE, WHERE DO REFERRALS COME FROM? THE COURT? UM, REFERRALS DO COME FROM THE COURTS. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          AND ALSO THE DMV. 
          SO IF THEY REFER A PERSON WHO'S IN COURT 'CAUSE OF SAY DRUNK DRIVING OR SOMETHING, THEY REFER THEM TO YOU AND THEN YOU START WHAT YOU PROVIDE THE SERVICES TO GET THEM ON COUNSELING OR PROGRAMS OR, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          SO THE STATE, THE STATE MANDATES THAT THEY'RE, UM, THE COURT MANDATES THAT THEY GO INTO THE PROGRAM AND THEN THEY COME IN FOR AN INTAKE. 
          AND THEN BASED OFF OF THOSE INTAKES THEN SERVES WHAT INTERVENTIONS THEY WOULD DO DURING OUR, UM, PROGRAM, WHICH COULD INCLUDE COUNSELING SERVICES WITH AN OUTSIDE AGENCY AND THEN ALSO THE BASE APP EDUCATION AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THEY HAVE TO DO THE PRO THEY HAVE TO DO SOMETHING. 
          THEY DO. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          AND THEN YOU HELP THEM THROUGH WHAT THEY'RE BEEN ORDERED TO DO AND THEN THEY CAN GO BACK TO COURT AND REPORT THAT THEY DID WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO? YEAH. 
          SO THEN WE REPORT TO THE COURT THAT THEY DID WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO OR NOT DID WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO. 
          YEP. 
          SO ESSENTIALLY WE'RE PROBATIONARY. 
          SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CALLED CASE MANAGERS, BUT WE DO PROBATIONARY WORK. 
          UM, WE CAN SEND CLIENTS BACK TO COURT FOR NOT, YOU KNOW, COMPLYING WITH THEIR ORDERS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND AND THEY PAY A FEE FOR THIS SERVICE AS WELL? THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          THERE, IT'S A, A STATE MANDATED FEE, UM, AND IT'S $400 A REFERRAL, THE PERSON GOING PROGRAM . 
          ALL THAT'S CORRECT. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT I MEANT BY IN THE PRE MY PRESENTATION BY, UM, ASAP ITSELF IS MAINLY OFFENDER FUNDED. 
          UM, AND WHERE THAT DEFICIT COMES FROM IS JURISDICTIONS OR ARE THEY ALLOWED TO DRIVE WHILE THEY'RE IN THIS PROGRAM? OR IS THIS THEY'VE LOST THEIR LICENSE UNTIL THEY COMP SUCCESSFULLY FINISH THIS PROGRAM? UM, SO THE COURT WILL, UM, PROBABLY MOST LIKELY SUSPEND THE LICENSE FOR A YEAR THAT IS THE, THE VIRGINIA STATE CODE. 
          UM, AND THE COURT CAN ISSUE A RESTRICTED LICENSE OR NOT ISSUE A RESTRICTED LICENSE DURING THAT RESTRICTION PERIOD. 
          UM, I WOULD SAY 99% OF THE CLIENTS ARE GONNA BE DOING AN IGNITION INTERLOCK REQUIREMENT AS WELL. 
          SO THEY WILL HAVE IGNITION 
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INTERLOCK, UM, IN THEIR VEHICLE, WHICH DETECTS, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE'LL STOP THEM IF THEY ARE ATTEMPTING TO, UM, DRINK AND DRIVE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO ARE, I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET AN IDEA. 
          YOU SAID TRAVEL WAS A, A BIG THING. 
          UM, HOW OFTEN DO THEY HAVE TO GO TO CLASSES? 'CAUSE I, I DON'T, IF I'M THINKING OF THE RIGHT FACILITY, THAT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE TO GET IN THERE FOR A ONCE A WEEK OR HOWEVER MANY YOU, I'M ASSUMING, DO THEY, ARE YOU SPLITTING THEM UP WHERE, UM, IF THE WARREN COUNTY NIGHT IS FULL HERE, THEY HAVE TO GO TO ONE OF THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS NIGHTS? UM, SO TRAVEL, I WOULD SAY ALSO INCLUDES LIKE FOR THE BASE APP CASE MANAGERS AS WELL AND THE DIRECTOR. 
          UM, WE TRAVEL TO ALL SIX JURISDICTIONS 'CAUSE WE, OUR MAIN OFFICE IS IN WINCHESTER, AND THEN WE HAVE SATELLITE AGENCIES. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, SO WITH THE ACTUAL CLASSES ITSELF HERE IN WARREN COUNTY, I HAVE CLASSES ON TUESDAYS AND THURSDAYS. 
          THERE'S TWO SECTIONS OF CLASSES FROM 6:00 PM TO 8:00 PM AND 8:00 PM TO 10:00 PM OKAY. 
          UM, AND I FIT ABOUT 15 PEOPLE IN THAT, THE THREE EAST MAIN STREET IN FRONT OF THE COURTHOUSE. 
          IT'S A LITTLE TIGHT, BUT IT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING. 
          WE GET 'EM IN THERE . 
          UM, AND FOR THE MOST PART, I AM FILLING UP THOSE CLASSES TO THAT 15 MARK AND THEN HAVING TO SET UP NEW CLASSES TO GET THE NEXT ROUND IN. 
          UM, SO FOR EXAMPLE, THERE ARE CLASSES THAT START TONIGHT AND BOTH CLASSES ARE FULL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IS THAT FEE THEY PAY A STATE MANDATED FEE KINDA LIKE A CAR INSPECTION FEE? OR, OR IS THAT UP TO YOU GUYS TO, SO THAT IS ACTUALLY THE COMMISSION ON VAP ITSELF, UM, CREATES THAT THERE MANDATES THAT FEE, AND THEN THAT'S WHAT WE ARE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT WE REQUIRE THEM TO PAY. 
          WE GET NO SAY SO IN HOW MUCH THEY DO OR DO NOT. 
          THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. 
          HAVE A GREAT NIGHT. 
          SO NEXT UP 
          [E. Discussion - Public Comment Period Structure]
WE HAVE THE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT, PERIOD STRUCTURE. 
          SO I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME, UH, UH, QUESTIONS ON, UH, OR SOME DISCUSSION ON THE, THE CHANGE THAT WAS MADE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR. 
          AND, UH, JUST TO REFRESH EV EVERYONE'S MIND, UH, THE, UH, THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IS BROKEN UP INTO, UH, TWO SECTIONS. 
          THE FIRST SECTION IS FOR THE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT FOR, UH, ANYTHING THAT IS ON THE, UM, UH, THE AGENDA THAT IS NOT COVERED BY A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          AND THEN, AND THAT IS TYPICALLY, UH, IN THE FIRST PART OF THE, UH, UH, OF THE, THE NIGHT'S SESSION. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE ALL OF THE, THE PUBLIC HEARINGS. 
          AND THEN AT THE VERY END WE HAVE ANOTHER 30 MINUTE SESSION FOR, AND, AND AS I UNDERSTAND, IT'S FOR ANYBODY THAT DID, UH, THAT, UH, THAT DID NOT GET A, AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON SOMETHING THAT WAS ON THE AGENDA. 
          AND THEN AFTER THAT, UH, IT'S, UH, ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO GET UP AND TALK ABOUT ANYTHING THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA AND THAT'S NOT IN A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          SO IF THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE GREEN CHEESE ON MARS HAVE AT IT. 
          WE'VE HAD NOT, NOT THE GREEN CHEESE ON MARS, SIR, BUT WE'VE HAD SOME PRETTY CLOSE TO THE GREEN CHEESE ON MARS THAT, UM, DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE HERE TO HAVE A, TO CONDUCT BUSINESS AND YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE WHO COME TO CONDUCT BUSINESS AND TALK ABOUT THAT BUSINESS. 
          AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THIS OTHER GREEN CHEESE ON MARS THAT COMES IN AFTERWARDS. 
          SO WHAT, WELL, I, YOU KNOW, I BROUGHT THIS UP AND, AND TO BE, YOU KNOW, FAIR, I, I WAS GOING TO PULL OFF THE AGENDA THAT NIGHT AND THEN, YOU KNOW, JUST, IT GOT AWAY FROM ME. 
          AND I DIDN'T TO BRING THAT OUT OF WHEN WE WERE VOTING ON OUR MEETING POLICIES BECAUSE I WASN'T IN FAVOR OF SPLITTING IT UP. 
          I, I FELT LIKE IT, UM, IT NEEDED TO STAY THE SAME SIMPLY FOR ONE REASON BECAUSE I FELT LIKE THE COMMUNITY WAS NOT GOING TO BE VERY ACCEPTING OF A CHANGE LIKE THAT, UH, WITH THE CONTROVERSY. 
          AND, UM, THEY WOULD FEEL THAT IT WAS BEING, THAT THEY WERE BEING CENSORED A LITTLE BIT. 
          AND I JUST FELT LIKE THAT SHOULD HAVE STAYED THE SAME. 
          UH, THAT WAS MY MISTAKE FOR NOT PULLING IT OFF AND, YOU KNOW, AFTER SEVERAL MEETINGS AND SEVERAL PEOPLE GETTING UP, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH A COMPLAINT THAT THEY WANTED TO BE HEARD AND THAT'S THEIR 
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RIGHT TO BE HEARD. 
          UM, BUT 10 30 AT NIGHT IS A HARDSHIP ON THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES AND, AND THEIR, UH, OBLIGATION TO GET UP AND GO TO WORK THE NEXT DAY. 
          SO IN CONSIDERATION OF THEM, THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO RECONSIDER THIS BECAUSE I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD PUT A HARDSHIP ON PEOPLE THAT WANT TO, UM, COMMUNICATE WITH US. 
          I'LL JUST SAY THIS, THIS, UH, I THINK IT WAS A WORTHWHILE EXPERIMENT. 
          IT IT'S NOT PRECIOUS TO ME HOW WE GO WITH THIS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. 
          UM, I WOULD POINT OUT THOUGH IT, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE ISSUES OF THE SEASON ARE, IT COULD ACTUALLY HELP FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE A, A CONTROVERSIAL ISSUE AND JUST HYPOTHETICALLY, LIKE, SAY, SAY YOU HAD, UM, WELL REMEMBER SOME MONTHS AGO WE HAD THE CONTROVERSY ABOUT THE, THE SHOOTING RANGE MM-HMM . 
          AND THERE WERE NIGHTS WHERE THAT WAS NOT ON THE AGENDA, BUT WE WOULD STILL HAVE FIVE OR 10 PEOPLE COME UP AND TALK ABOUT IT. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE A SHOOTING RANGE, GENERAL ANGST, UH, AS A BACKDROP, AND THEN YOU HAVE A LIBRARY TOPIC ON THE AGENDA AND, AND THE PEOPLE WHO COME OUT TO TALK ABOUT THE LIBRARY, UM, ARE, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO GET THEIR, THEIR SAY IN, UH, BUT THEN YOU'VE GOT FIVE OR 10 PEOPLE THAT ALSO SHOWED UP AND WANNA TALK ABOUT THE SHOOTING RANGE. 
          THEY, THEY ACTUALLY GET POTENTIALLY LESS TIME TO TALK ABOUT IT. 
          UM, THIS WOULD ALLOW THE WHATEVER'S ON THE AGENDA TO, TO HAVE THE LION'S SHARE OF THE COMMENT AT LEAST UPFRONT. 
          AND THEN THE SHOOTING RANGE PEOPLE COULD, COULD TACK ON AT THE END OF THE MEETING IF THEY, IF THEY WANTED TO STICK AROUND. 
          I UNDERSTAND IT'S LATE AT NIGHT. 
          UM, WE HAVE TO BE HERE ANYWAY, BUT THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW. 
          UM, BUT, UH, SO I'M, IT'S NOT PRECIOUS TO ME, BUT I I I DON'T THINK IT WAS DESIGNED TO, TO CENSOR ANYBODY, BUT TO STRUCTURE THE MEETING BETTER AND ALSO TO, UH, RESPECT THE TIME, UM, OF PEOPLE WHO COME BEFORE THE BOARD WITH BUSINESS SUCH AS, UH, SUCH AS, UM, I THINK HIS NAME WAS JONATHAN FROM BARRY DUNN TODAY. 
          YOU KNOW, UM, SO IF WE HAD A FULL HOUR OF PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT, BUT IT MIGHT JUST BE FIVE MINUTES IF THERE'S ONLY TWO PEOPLE HERE. 
          YOU KNOW, HE'S, IT, IT'S HARD FOR, FOR THEM TO SCHEDULE. 
          AND SOME OF THESE PEOPLE ARE, ARE DRIVING CONSIDERABLE WAYS TO GET HERE AND THINGS. 
          SO I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE, UH, PEOPLE AS WELL WHO HAVE BUSINESS BEFORE THE BOARD. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, UM, IT'S A PRAGMATIC THING AND I, I'M NOT, NOT, UH, YOU KNOW, NOT MARRIED TO IT, BUT I I, I DO THINK IT CAN CUT BOTH WAYS DEPENDING ON THE SCENARIO. 
          NO, AND I DON'T DISAGREE THAT WE HAVE NIGHTS. 
          IT'S ESPECIALLY ON PUBLIC HEARINGS WHERE PEOPLE HAVE THEIR LAWYERS OR THEIR ENGINEERS AND THAT KIND OF THING. 
          BUT FOR THOSE NIGHTS, WE'RE A HARD STOP AT SEVEN 30 TO GET THOSE DONE ANYWAY. 
          SO THAT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, DEPENDS ON WHERE THEY ARE IN LINE WITH THEIR PUBLIC HEARING. 
          UM, 'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO WAIT FOR THAT ANYWAY. 
          UM, AND ON THOSE NIGHTS WE DO SPLIT AND COME BACK TO THAT, UM, TO FINISH UP THE PUBLIC COMMENT PART. 
          SO, AND NOBODY HAS A PROBLEM WITH THAT BECAUSE THEY UNDERSTAND THAT HARD STOP. 
          WHEREAS, UM, AT SOME POINT THEY'RE GONNA GET BACK IN HERE BEFORE IF WE HAVE, UM, UH, THE REST OF THE WORKING AGENDA THAT AN ITEM MIGHT GET INTO A 30 MINUTE DISCUSSION WITH US. 
          AND IT JUST PROLONGS THAT, THAT PART OF THE MEETING TO WHEN IT'S 10, 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU SAY, WE'RE GONNA BE HERE, SO IT'S NOT GONNA HELP ME ANY, BUT JUST ME LISTENING TO THE PEOPLE AND I, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S, WE NEED TO BE AS ACCOMMODATING AS WE CAN. 
          UM, AND THAT WAS WHY I BROUGHT IT UP. 
          I, YOU KNOW, WELL I, UM, I AGREE WITH YOU EXCEPT JUST THINK ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY COMES HERE AND THEY DO HAVE BUSINESS SCHEDULED WITH US MM-HMM . 
          AND THE, UH, AND, AND IF WE KEEP IT WITH THAT, UH, WITH THAT ONE HOUR LONG PERIOD, THEY'VE GOTTA SIT THERE AND LISTEN TO SOMEBODY TALK ABOUT GREEN CHEESE ON MARS. 
          AND YOU KNOW WHAT, UH, WHY DO I HAVE TO STAY HERE WHEN I'VE GOT BUSINESS SCHEDULED WITH THE, WITH THE COUNTY AND LISTEN TO SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO TALK ABOUT GREEN CHEESE ON MARS? NOPE. 
          I DON'T DISAGREE. 
          AND THAT'S WHY, UH, LIKE VDOT, WE VDOT USED TO COME AFTER. 
          OF COURSE, VDOT DOESN'T COME TO ALL OF OUR MEETINGS ANYMORE SINCE WE MOVED THEM TONIGHT. 
          IT'S, IT'S LESS CONVENIENT. 
          THEY WERE ALWAYS HERE UN UNLESS IT WAS SOMETHING UNFORESEEN. 
          UM, BUT WE, WE BUMPED THEM UP BEFORE THE PUBLIC COMMENT SO MR. CARTER DIDN'T HAVE TO SIT HERE FOR AN HOUR. 
          HE COULD GET UP, DO HIS PRESENTATION AND GET OUTTA DODGE. 
          SO YOU CAN'T ACCOMMODATE YET 
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BY, YOU KNOW, ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS ADJUST THE AGENDA WHEN WE KNOW WE HAVE SOMEONE LIKE THE GENTLEMAN TONIGHT. 
          UM, BUT I ALSO THINK IT'S, WHEN WE KNOW WE HAVE SOMEONE LIKE HIM, UM, I LIKE FOR THEM TO BE AT A WORK SESSION PERSONALLY BECAUSE I THINK IT, IT DOESN'T CONSUME SO MUCH OF A WORKING MEETING, UM, AND OUR STAFF AND SO FORTH, AND EVERY, EVERYBODY JUST TO HEAR LIKE WE DID TONIGHT. 
          HE, HE TOOK WHAT MAYBE A LITTLE LESS THAN 45 MINUTES. 
          UM, THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHTS ON IT. 
          I, YOU KNOW, NOT TRYING TO, UM, STIR THE BEES MESSED UP JUST LISTENING TO THE PEOPLE. 
          AND I, I THINK THAT THE LEAST WE NEEDED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION TO SAY WE HEARD THEIR CONCERNS AND WHETHER OR NOT WE CHANGE ANYTHING, WE CAN SAY WE LISTENED AND IT EITHER STAYS THE SAME OR WE CHANGE TO ACCOMMODATE. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION, UM, ABOUT THIS. 
          THE, THE TWO DISTINCT PERIODS, LIKE WHETHER THEY'RE SEPARATE OR WHETHER THEY'RE CONSECUTIVE, UM, DO YOU, IS IT APPROPRIATE OR DO YOU, ARE YOU STILL SUPPORTIVE OF THE IDEA THAT 30 MINUTES ARE FOR, FOR MATTERS THAT CONCERN THAT NIGHT'S HEARING AND THEN THE OTHER 30 ARE CAN BE ON ANYTHING? IS IS THAT CONCEPT STILL? NO, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE'RE GOING TO, I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I I I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE FIRST PEOPLE ON THE LIST TALKING ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE GONNA BE ON THE AGENDA, UM, VERSUS SPLITTING IT UP SO THAT YOU'VE GOT TWO SHEETS AND OR WHATEVER. 
          I JUST FEEL LIKE ON IT'S, AND SOME NIGHTS WE DON'T USE UP A WHOLE HOUR. 
          SOME NIGHTS WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY HERE AT ALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          IT'S A TOSS UP. 
          SO, SO GOING BACK TO YOUR QUESTION, SIR. 
          UM, MR. HAM HAD BROUGHT THIS UP A COUPLE YEARS AGO THAT MOST JURISDICTIONS HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, BUT THEY'RE AT THE END OF THEIR MEETING RATHER THAN AT THE BEGINNING BECAUSE OF ALL THE VARIOUS ACTIVITIES THAT ARE, PEOPLE ARE COMING AND GOING FOR AN ACTIVITY WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT BE A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          AND WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THAT, THE QUESTION WAS, WELL, WHAT IF THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S ON THE AGENDA AND THEREFORE HE SUGGESTED AND I DON'T MEAN TO SPEAK FOR 'EM, BUT HE SUGGESTED, OR I DID, ONE OF US DID THAT. 
          WELL, WHY DON'T YOU DIVIDE IT AND PUT, IF THEY'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA, THEY CAN TALK TO YOU BEFORE. 
          BUT IF THEY'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE MOON AND THE GREEN CHEESE, THEN THEY CAN DO THAT AFTERWARDS. 
          UH, I THINK MR. STAN MEYER'S EXAMPLE IS, IS EXCELLENT. 
          THE SHOOTING RANGE CAME UP AS A DISCUSSION ITEM FOR A WORK SESSION. 
          IT WAS NEVER ON YOUR AGENDA FOR A VOTE. 
          AND YET MEETING AFTER MEETING YOU, BEFORE YOU COULD START YOUR BUSINESS, YOU HAD TO LISTEN TO THIS TO REPEAT. 
          AND IT WASN'T IF SOMEBODY BROUGHT YOU A NEW COMMENT, IT WAS THE SAME THING EVERY TWO WEEKS. 
          EVERY TIME YOU HAD A REGULAR MEETING, IT WAS THE SAME COMMENT THAT YOU HEARD TWO WEEKS AGO. 
          AND IT STILL WAS NEVER READY TO BE PRESENTED AS AN ACTION ITEM. 
          SO IT WAS, WELL, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD BEFORE, UM, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE AGENDA, OR MAYBE THE CONSIDERATION HERE IS TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD DURING A WORK SESSION, UM, SO THAT PEOPLE CAN COME. 
          I, I, I THINK WE WORK FOR THE PEOPLE AND IF WE DON'T HEAR WHAT THE PEOPLE THINK ABOUT WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA, THEN WE'RE NOT REPRESENTING THE PEOPLE. 
          THERE'S MY CONCERN THAT IF YOU HAVE IT AT THE END OF THE MEETING, YOU'VE ALREADY DONE, YOU'VE ALREADY VOTED ON EVERYTHING. 
          THEY NEVER GOT AN OPPORTUNITY TO TELL YOU HOW THEY FELT ABOUT IT. 
          AND IT'S THEIR, YOU KNOW, THEIR MONEY WE'RE USING, UM, IT IMPACTS THEIR LIVES AND I THINK WE NEED TO HEAR FROM 'EM. 
          BUT NOW IF WE WANNA CHANGE IT AND HAVE, UM, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE VOTING ON AT THE NEXT 
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REGULAR MEETING ON, UM, PUT OUT THERE SO PEOPLE CAN COME IN AND HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD AT A WORK SESSION AND HEAR THEM, THEN WE'VE HEARD 'EM. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE HEARD ABOUT WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE GETTING TO TAKE AN ACTION ON THAT IMPACTS THEIR TAX DOLLARS AND THEIR LIVES. 
          I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, UM, I'M NOT SURE I LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING PUBLIC COMMENT DURING THE WORK SESSION, BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN YOU DEFINITELY HAVE PEOPLE COMING BEFORE THE BOARD WITH BUSINESS AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD ALL THESE PEOPLE AND WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO ADHERE TO A SCHEDULE AND, AND SO FORTH. 
          UH, SOMETIMES IT'S EVERY 2020 MINUTES A DIFFERENT PRESENTATION FROM A DIFFERENT, UH, PARTY. 
          UM, BUT, UH, THAT, THAT SAID, UH, THE SORT OF HYBRID IDEA OF HAVING, UM, BACK TO BACK HALF HOURS OR, OR REALLY, IT'S, IT'S JUST, IT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE TO BE, IT'S STILL, IF YOU JUST CALLED IT AN HOUR, THERE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE 30 MINUTES HERE AND 30 MINUTES THERE. 
          BUT IF YOU JUST CALLED AN HOUR AND, AND HAD TWO SIGNUP LISTS AND HAVE THE AGENDA UP, UP THERE BY THE SIGNUP LISTS, AND IF YOUR TOPIC'S ON THE AGENDA SIGN LIST A, IF YOUR TOPIC'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, THE SIGN LIST B, WE'LL GO THROUGH ALL THE A NAMES FIRST, THEN WE'LL GO THROUGH ALL THE B NAMES IF FOR AS MUCH TIME AS LEFT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND, AND, AND, AND, UH, BUT REALLY B COULD BE, UM, YOU COULD TALK ABOUT ANYTHING. 
          YOU COULD TALK ABOUT GREEN CHEESE AND SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA IF YOU WANTED, YOU KNOW, UM, AND AGAIN, IT'S DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE IT ONCE PEOPLE ARE UP THERE, THEY'RE TALKING, YOU KNOW, BUT, UH, BUT IT WOULD, IT WOULD HELP TRY TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE THERE FOR SOMETHING, THAT THERE'S ON A VOTE, THAT HAS A VOTE GET HEARD. 
          UM, AND I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S NOT A VOTE, THERE ARE OTHER WAYS FOR THEM TO BE HEARD. 
          THEY CAN CALL US, THEY CAN EMAIL US, THEY CAN REACH OUT FOR APPOINTMENTS. 
          YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THOUGH, BUT WHAT, WHAT I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU JUST SAID, BUT, BUT WHAT YOU JUST SAID WAS THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE A RIGHT TO BE HEARD FOR MATTERS WE'RE ABOUT TO VOTE ON, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT WE HAVE. 
          IT'S JUST NOT A FULL HOUR. 
          IT'S, IT'S 30 MINUTES BEFORE TO SPEAK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON. 
          AND THEN ANYTHING THAT WE'RE NOT IS JUST SORT OF PUSHED OFF TO THE END. 
          I'LL ACKNOWLEDGE NOW. 
          I DO, I I, I HEARD WHAT THIS IS, THAT THERE'S AN INCONVENIENCE OF PEOPLE WHO ARE WAITING FOR THE BUSINESS FOR THIS BOARD TO, UM, WAIT FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
          BUT AS WE HAVE IT NOW, IT'S 30 MINUTES THAT WE'RE SHAVING OFF. 
          DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? I MEAN, WE'RE THAT THERE, THEY'RE, WE'RE SAVING THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BUSINESS BEFORE THE BOARD 30 MINUTES BY PUSHING THE SECOND HALF OF PUBLIC COMMENTS OUT. 
          UM, AND, BUT THE PEOPLE WHO WERE WAITING FOR THE SECOND HALF OF PUBLIC COMMENTS COULD BE WAITING ONE HOUR, TWO HOUR, THREE HOURS. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT THE ISSUE IS. 
          RIGHT? AND I REALLY DON'T WANT TO, TO ALLOW, OR, OR IF, IF I MAY JUST SORT OF OBJECT TO THE NOTION THAT THAT IS CENSORSHIP. 
          UH, NOBODY'S BEING CENSORED. 
          IT'S, IT'S JUST ACCOMMODATION OR, UH, THE WORD YOU USED WAS, UM, MAYBE IT WAS A COMBINATION, BUT YEAH. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, LIKE JOHN SAID, I'M NOT, I'M NOT, UH, ATTACHED TO THIS IN ANY PARTICULAR WAY. 
          I THINK IT WAS, UM, THE INTENTION I TRIED TO EXPRESS, AND I THINK WE ALL KNOW THE INTENTION. 
          UM, UM, I THINK I DO THINK THAT THOSE, THE PRIORITIES SHOULD BE ON ANYBODY WHO HAS BUSINESS THAT'S RELATED TO THE AGENDA. 
          SO IT'S REALLY, IF WE'RE GONNA COME UP WITH A CHANGE, THEN THAT NEEDS TO BE, IT. 
          IT COULD BE, THE WAY YOU DESCRIBED IT WAS, UH, TWO LISTS ON THE AGENDA OR NOT ON THE AGENDA. 
          AND IF THE WHOLE LIST IS FULL OF PEOPLE THAT WANNA TALK ON THE AGENDA, THEN THAT'S IT. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S THE HOUR, RIGHT? SO IT PLACES PRIORITY WITH BUSINESS BEFORE THE BOARD. 
          UM, AND IF THAT, UNDER THAT SCENARIO, THERE MAY BE NO TIME LEFT FOR BUSINESS THAT'S NOT BEFORE THE BOARD, AND THAT JUST MAY BE AN OUTCOME, YOU KNOW? 'CAUSE THERE'S NOT GONNA BE MORE THAN AN HOUR OF, OF PUBLIC COMMENT, I DON'T THINK. 
          UM, SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW LIKE YOU WOULD THINK OF THAT, OR, OR IF THE, IF THE TWO LIST, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS BEFORE THE BOARD, NOT BUSINESS, BEFORE THE BOARD IDEA WORKS. 
          UM, I'M, I'M JUST, I GUESS, FAIRLY UNWED TO WHERE WE HAVE IT NOW. 
          NO, I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT THE INTENTION, I UNDERSTOOD THE INTENTION AND WAS WILLING TO GO WITH IT. 
          UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT A THREE HOUR WAIT IS, UH, NOT GREAT , BUT I'M, I'M NOT SURE THAT IF, IF WE JUST KIND OF BACK UP A LITTLE BIT THAT THAT'S REALLY A ROUTINE THING. 
          LIKE, LIKE IT HAPPENS NOW AND THEN, BUT IS THAT REALLY THE NORM AND, AND A 
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REASON TO DISBAND THE IDEA? YEAH, JUST POINTS OF CONVERSATION. 
          NO. 
          NOPE. 
          AND I, I GUESS I'M MORE OF A PERSON IF IT'S NOT BROKE. 
          I DON'T WANNA, THERE'S ENOUGH STUFF BROKE TO FIX WITHOUT FIXING WITH WASN'T, DIDN'T SEEM BROKE TO ME. 
          UM, BECAUSE YEP, THERE WERE NIGHTS THAT PEOPLE SPOKE FOR AN HOUR AND THEN THERE WERE NIGHTS WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYBODY TALK AT ALL. 
          THERE WERE MAYBE ONE OR TWO PEOPLE. 
          UH, AND WE MOVED ON, BUT WE ALWAYS STOPPED AT SEVEN 30 SO THAT WHATEVER PUBLIC, UM, HEARING PROCESS GOT STARTED. 
          AND I, YOU KNOW, THAT, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T WANNA, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT STAFF WAITING TONIGHT, WE NEED TO GET 'EM HOME. 
          UM, SO I DON'T WANNA BELABOR THIS ANYMORE, BUT, UM, JUST TRYING, LIKE I SAID, TO LISTEN TO WHAT THE PEOPLE SAID. 
          'CAUSE IT'S NOT GONNA AFFECT ME PERSONALLY. 
          I'M GONNA BE HERE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. 
          UM, BUT JUST TRYING TO, UH, AT LEAST ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT WHAT THEY HAVE VOICED AS CONCERNS. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I ACKNOWLEDGE IT TOO. 
          AND I THINK, UH, THERE'S SOME COMPROMISE THAT'S POSSIBLE, BUT I AGREE. 
          WE SHOULD PROBABLY LET THEM GET GOING. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          I, I, I DO LIKE THE FACT I JUST WANTED TO, TO, TO ADD IN THERE. 
          I DO LIKE THAT FACT OF HAVING A, AN A AND A B LIST. 
          AND THE A LIST IS THE MATTERS THAT, UH, THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA BUT ARE NOT A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          AND THEN THE B LIST IS ANYTHING ELSE. 
          YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO GET UP AND TALK ABOUT CHINA OR WHATEVER, AND THE, UH, AND, AND, AND SO IF THE A-LIST GETS FILLED UP, WELL, YOU KNOW, SORRY, THE, UH, THAT, THAT INDIVIDUAL IS MORE THAN WELCOME TO SEND IN A, UM, A, A, AN EMAIL, GIVE A PHONE CALL, SEND A TEXT, WHATEVER. 
          SO ANYTHING ELSE. 
          SO THE NEXT THING IS THE AGRICULTURAL. 
          OH, YES. 
          ONLY A COMMENT, SIR. 
          FROM A SHORT TIMER, THE BOARD LOSES ITS EFFECTIVENESS AFTER ABOUT THREE HOURS. 
          WHEN YOU ARE MEETING LONGER THAN THREE HOURS, YOU CAN CONTINUE TO MEET, BUT YOU DON'T OPERATE AS EFFECTIVELY AS YOU DID WHEN YOUR MEETINGS ARE LIKE 90 MINUTES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WHEN YOU PUT A SPECIAL INTEREST GROUP, WHATEVER THAT IS, WHO WANTS TO TALK ABOUT THE MOON AND THE CHEESE? THEY DRIVE YOUR AGENDA AND HOW YOUR MEETING IS PRESENTED TO THE PUBLIC. 
          OKAY. 
          RATHER THAN LET, THEY ARE THE ONE THAT THE, THE CHEESE ON THE MOON IS THE LAST THING EVERYBODY NEEDS TO HEAR ABOUT WITH THE DECISIONS THAT YOU ARE MAKING. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST AS A COMMENT, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          PERSONALLY, I THINK 
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LIKES GREEN CHEESE ON THE MOON, BUT WE WON'T GO THERE. 
          UM, ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE P UH, BOARD, UH, TONIGHT WE'LL JUST GO THROUGH, UH, WE HAVE A, A QUICK, UH, POWERPOINT. 
          ONE AGRICULTURAL FORESTAL DISTRICTS GIVES YOU AN OVERVIEW OF THE FORESTRY DISTRICT, UM, PURPOSE TO CONSERVE, PROTECT, ENCOURAGE THE DEVELOPMENT IMPROVEMENT OF WARREN COUNTY'S CALLED AGRICULTURAL FORESTRY LANDS FOR THE PRODUCTION OF FOOD AND THAT OTHER AGRICULTURAL FOREST PROJECTS PRODUCTS. 
          AND TO CONSERVE AND PROTECT THESE LANDS IS VALUABLE NATURE AND ECOLOGICAL SERVICES TO PROVIDE ESSENTIAL OPEN SPACES FOR CLEAN AND ADEQUATE AND SAFE WATER SUPPLIES. 
          AND OTHER AESTHETIC, UM, WHO'S IN THIS, WHO INITIATES IT? THE LANDOWNERS, UH, MUTUAL UNDERTAKING BETWEEN THE LANDOWNERS AND THE BOARD. 
          AND, UH, IT IS A VOLUNTARY ACT, UH, INITIATED BY LANDOWNER. 
          UM, WARREN COUNTY HAD ONE OF THE FIRST ONES IN THE ROCKLAND DISTRICT. 
          WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT. 
          COMMUNITY BENEFITS IS THE DISTRICT PROTECTS THE CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY, ALLOWS CONTINUATION OF RURAL USES IN LAND TIES RIGHT INTO THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WE TALK CONTINUALLY ABOUT KEEPING THAT RURAL CHARACTER IN THE COUNTY. 
          UH, THERE ARE SOME TAX BENEFITS, UM, NOT DIRECTLY RELATED TO AG FORESTAL DISTRICT, BUT IF THE COUNTY DID 
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GO OUT OF THE LAND USE PROGRAM, THOSE TAX BENEFITS COULD RESUME ACCORDING TO THE CODE, UH, OF VIRGINIA. 
          SO THERE ARE, AND THEY JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME RESTRICTIONS ON THE GOVERNMENT. 
          UM, BASIC MINIMUM TWO, 200 ACRES OF CONTINUOUS PARCEL. 
          NO UPPER LIMIT ON THE SIZE, NO LOWER LIMIT ON THE NUMBER, NO LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF LANDOWNERS. 
          UH, NO REQUIRED MINIMUM SIZE. 
          WE HAVE A LOT, YOU'LL SEE IN THE ROCKLAND DISTRICT, A LOT OF TINY LOTS THAT HAVE CHOSEN TO BE A PART OF IT. 
          UM, THERE WERE, UM, NEAREST BOUNDARY IS, UH, NONCONTINUOUS PARCEL MUST BE A MILE, UH, WITHIN A MILE OF THE CORE. 
          UM, OOPS, LEMME GO BACK HERE. 
          LEMME DO THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT, OKAY. 
          NEAREST BOUNDARY OF A NON-CONTIGUOUS. 
          SO IF IT'S SEPARATED OFF OF THE CONTIGUOUS, UH, AREA OF THE AG FORESTAL DISTRICT, YOU CAN HAVE A PARCEL THAT'S SEPARATE, KIND OF STANDALONE, AS LONG AS IT'S WITHIN THAT MILE OF THE CORE AREA OF THE BOUNDARY. 
          SO YOU'LL SEE IN THIS, YOU'LL SEE MR. ATWOOD'S PROPERTIES WHO IS RIGHT UP AGAINST YOUR DISTRICT, BUT IT'S IN SHENANDOAH DISTRICT, BUT HE'S KIND OF SEPARATED OFF FROM THIS KIND OF ROCKLAND AREA, AND HE'S GOT HUNDREDS OF ACRES OF, OF FARMLAND THERE. 
          AND SO THAT'S A, A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWED. 
          SO, UM, OKAY. 
          UH, SO YEAH, LANDOWNER DOES NOT NEED TO INCLUDE ALL THEIR LAND IN THE DISTRICT, PUT IN APOR PORTIONS OF IT. 
          LAND CAN BE ADDED ANY TIME BY FOLLOWING THE SAME PROCEDURES AS CREATING THE DISTRICT, WHICH IS WHAT WE'LL DISCUSS A LITTLE BIT. 
          UH, LAND WILL CAN BE WITHDRAWN ANY TIME BY FOLLOWING A REQUEST, UH, WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. 
          AND THAT REQUEST GOES THROUGH STAFF. 
          AND THEN THE STAFF, UH, WILL TAKE IT TO A WORK SESSION WITH THE, UH, UH, AG FORESTAL DISTRICT ADVISORY COMMITTEE. 
          UM, AND THEN THEY WILL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          PLANNING COMMISSION WILL HOLD THEIR PUBLIC HEARING, AND THEN WE WILL MOVE IT TO THE BOARD. 
          UM, IN THE PAST, THE BOARD HAS HELD PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THESE. 
          SO, UM, WE WOULD ALL, WE WOULD PROBABLY JUST WANNA FOLLOW THAT JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S HEARD. 
          UH, FIRST DISTRICT WAS CREATED IN THE STATE FOLLOWING, UH, UH, ENABLING LEGISLATION IN 1977 WAS THE ROCKLAND DISTRICT. 
          UH, MAY 16TH, 1978. 
          IT WAS RENEWED, UH, DECEMBER 8TH, 2024, 10 YEAR PERIOD AT THE SAME TIME THE OTHER DISTRICTS WERE. 
          SO ALL THREE OF OUR DISTRICTS ARE SOUTH RIVER ALLIANCE 10, AND ROCKWOOD DISTRICT WILL BE UP FOR RENEWAL AT THAT SAME DATE. 
          UM, IT CONSISTS APPROXIMATELY 9,780 ACRES. 
          UM, THERE'S A COUPLE OF, UH, AND, AND ACCORDING TO YOUR THE TWO MAPS I'VE PROVIDED, THERE'S A COUPLE OF NUMBERS THAT WE HAVE. 
          THE SIGNED DOCUMENT THAT WAS APPROVED IS 9,780. 
          THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES. 
          I'M ACTUALLY WORKING WITH, UH, THE COMMISSIONER, REVENUE AND COREY GRIFFITH, RGIS GUY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE AS ACCURATE OF ACCOUNT AS WE CAN WITHIN THE GIS AND WITHIN THE, THE, THE DATABASE THAT THE COUNTY HAS. 
          SO, AND HERE'S THE MAP HERE. 
          YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THOSE THAT ARE IN THAT CIA BLUE COLOR ARE ACTUALLY OUT OF THE, THE 9,007 80. 
          UM, THE LARGE ONE, THERE'S THE ADAM HUDDLESTON PROPERTY. 
          HE HAS THAT UNDER A CONSERVATION EASEMENT. 
          SO THERE IS SOME LIMITED, UH, DEVELOPMENT THAT HE CAN DO. 
          UM, AND YOU'LL NOTE IN YOUR, ON YOUR, UH, MAPS THAT I PROVIDED YOU, I CIRCLED THE TWO PARCELS TO THE NORTH EAST THERE. 
          UM, THAT'S, UH, SEVEN DASH ONE A AND SEVEN DASH TWO. 
          THOSE ARE THE PARCELS THAT THE, UH, DALE FARM LLC HAS REQUESTED TO HAVE TAKEN OUT OF THE AG FORESTAL DISTRICT. 
          UH, SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE KIND OF WORKING ON GETTING THIS, UH, COMMITTEE TOGETHER SO THAT WE CAN GET THAT MOVING FORWARD. 
          UM, TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ORDINANCE TERMS. UH, I, I DON'T REALLY NEED TO GET INTO THAT TOO MUCH. 
          UM, YOU, NO PROPERTY WITHIN DISTRICT MAY BE ZONED FOR ANY CLASSIFICATION EXCEPT AGRICULTURAL. 
          IT MAKES SENSE. 
          SO, UM, IN ANY CASE, UH, YOU'LL NOTE THAT THE ONE PROPERTY NORTH OF FAMILY DOLLAR IS NOT, IT'S AGRICULTURAL, BUT IT IS NOT IN AN AG FORESTAL DISTRICT, BUT IT IS ADJACENT TO AN AG FORESTAL DISTRICT. 
          SO IF YOU LOOK AT THAT BOTTOM ITEM, ALL LAND USE PLANNING DECISIONS AFFECTING 
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ANY PARCEL WITHIN THE DISTRICT OR ANY PARCEL ADJACENT TO THERETO SHALL TAKE INTO THE ACCOUNT THE EXISTENCE OF THE DISTRICT AND THE PURPOSES FOR WHICH IT'S CREATED. 
          SO ESSENTIALLY, FROM A BOARD STANDPOINT, THAT'S A JUSTIFICATION TO ESSENTIALLY DENY AN APPLICATION IF YOU FEEL IT NECESSARY. 
          AND IT CONFLICTS WITH THE AG FOREST DISTRICT. 
          UM, LAND USE ENFORCEABLE PRODUCTION WITHIN THE DISTRICT, AND MEETING MEETS CRITERIA, UH, FOR AG ENFORCEABLE VALUE ASSESSMENT AS APPROVED BY THE STATE CODE. 
          THERE, UH, AMENDED, UH, SHALL BE ENTITLED TO SUCH LAND USE TAXATION, WHETHER OR NOT THE WARREN COUNTY LAND USE ASSESSMENT ORDINANCE IS EFFECT. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING. 
          IF THIS EVER GOES OUT, IT DOES ALLOW FOR THOSE PROPERTIES TO REMAIN IN LAND USE THAT ARE IN THE AG FORESTAL DISTRICT. 
          UM, I DON'T SUSPECT THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN ANYTIME SOON. 
          UH, SOUTH RIVER CREATED IN 2003, AGAIN, 10 YEAR PERIOD, APPROXIMATELY 1,580 ACRES. 
          AND OOPS, UH, LAND USE IN, UH, AGAIN, WE, WE TALK ABOUT THAT AG FORESTRY VALUE. 
          UM, OKAY, SO THAT'S OFF OF, UH, BENTONVILLE ROAD, I BELIEVE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND AGAIN, THEY HAVE, UH, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN ORDINANCE TERMS. YOU CAN SET UP SPECIFIC TERMS WITHIN THE SPECIFIC DISTRICT THAT IT WAS AGREED UPON BY ALL THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THAT DISTRICT. 
          AGAIN, HERE'S A MAP OF SOUTH RIVER. 
          UM, A LOT OF THOSE PROPERTIES THERE ALONG THE RIVER, UM, MS. COLORS LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE IN THERE AND IT, THEY'RE THERE. 
          INDIAN HOLLOW OFF INDIAN HOLLOW AND ACORN HILL, THOSE AREAS THERE. 
          AND THERE'S SOME KIND OF GO, I'M GOING BACKWARDS OR FORWARD BACKWARDS, AREN'T I? SORRY, THE QUICK QUESTION. 
          YEAH. 
          WHEN, WHEN YOU SAID, UH, IF A PROPERTY IS, UM, YOU KNOW, UP FOR SOME KIND OF LAND USE PLANNING AND IT IS IN OR ADJACENT TO AN AG FOREST DISTRICT, THEN THAT FOREST DISTRICT MUST BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. 
          UM, WOULD THE ADJACENCY BE BROKEN IF THERE WERE A ROAD ON THE, ON THE BOUNDARY LINE? UM, I, I WOULD SAY NOT. 
          I, I THINK ESSENTIALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSE, IT'S, IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED ADJACENT. 
          IT'S, IT'S, IT, IF THE DISTRICT BOUNDARY ENDS HERE MM-HMM . 
          THE NEXT PARCEL OVER WOULD BE MM-HMM . 
          IF IT'S OUTTA THAT BOUNDARY, IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED ADJACENT, WHETHER IT'S SEPARATED BY THE ROAD OR NOT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I COULD TELL YOU, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE TO NOTIFY ALL OF THE DISTRICT MEMBERS OF THAT. 
          MAYBE I CAN GET A LEGAL OPINION ON JUST NOTIFYING THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE BOARD MEMBERS AND HAVE THEM NOTIFY, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT COST YEAH. 
          TO OUR DEPARTMENT NOTIFYING EVERYBODY OF A LAND USE ISSUE. 
          AND, AND MANY OF THESE DISTRICTS, MANY PEOPLE WERE WELL CONNECTED WITH ONE ANOTHER AND THE WORD DEFINITELY WILL GET OUT MM-HMM . 
          SO WE WOULD HAVE THAT OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY POSTED AND, AND, UH, THE AD IN THE PAPER. 
          BUT THAT NOTIFICATION OF, UH, ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS, I PROBABLY HAVE TO GET A LEGAL OPINION ON THAT ONE. 
          BUT, UH, OKAY. 
          SO THEN WE'VE GOTTEN THROUGH THAT. 
          LET'S KEEP GOING HERE. 
          UH, THIS IS A LIME TIN THAT WAS CREATED IN 2012, UH, APPROXIMATELY 805 ACRES. 
          UH, POOR HOUSE ROAD IS THAT PICTURE. 
          I THINK THAT THAT'S OUT YOUR WAY, ISN'T IT? YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S, UH, LOOKING UP TOWARDS SKYLINE DRIVE, AND THAT WAS LOOKING NORTH. 
          SO THERE YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE SEPARATED. 
          UH, BUT THE CORE BOUNDARY IS THE, IS IN THAT LIME TIN AREA. 
          AND, UH, THAT'S THE, I THINK, THE POINT, UH, AREA AND THE DAVISON FARM, OR WAS THE DAVISON FARM, I THINK, UH OH, THAT MIGHT HAVE SOLD, NO, IT'S STILL IN THE DAVIDSON FAMILY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO LOTS WITH OTHER, UH, AGAIN, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN ORDINANCE TERMS, UM, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT THE PREVIOUS ONES ARE. 
          UM, LOTS WHICH OTHERWISE QUALIFY FOR THE DISTRICT SHALL BE ALLOWED TO JOIN THE DISTRICT REGARDLESS OF SIZE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, NO PROPERTY WITHIN THIS DISTRICT SHALL BE SUBJECT OF THE SUBDIVISION OF LAND CREATING A LOT LESS THAN 20 ACRES IN SIZE, EXCEPT FOR THE CREATION OF FAMILY SUBDIVISIONS PURSUANT TO SECTION 1 53, 55 DASH THREE, WHICH MAY BE A MINIMUM OF 1.5 ACRES. 
          SO THIS IS, UH, UH, AN INTERESTING THING 'CAUSE WE DON'T TYPICALLY 
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GET THIS KIND, THESE KIND OF SUBDIVISIONS, BUT WE'VE HAD PEOPLE GET OUT OF THE SUBDIVISIONS IN, IN ORDER TO DO A FAMILY SUBDIVISION, UH, AND IN, AND ACTUALLY ALSO TO, IN ORDER TO CREASE CREATE THE, UM, ADDED VALUE TO THE PROPERTY IN ORDER TO PUT IT IN A CONSERVATION EASEMENT. 
          SO THE APPRAISED VALUE AND THE TAXATION VALUE IS INCREASED. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT'S NOT IN THERE, UM, AGAIN, IT, IT ADDRESSES THE TAXATION RELATED ITEM FOR THAT. 
          AND, UM, INFORMATION LETTERS ARE MAILED OUT TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS DURING THE WITHDRAWAL, AND THEY CAN WITHDRAW OR CONTINUE IN THE DISTRICT DURING THIS RENEWAL PROCESS. 
          THE NEXT RENEWAL WILL BE 2030. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, I HOPE THAT THE, THE, THE BOARD, I'LL GET TO THE, THE COMMITTEE HERE IN A MINUTE. 
          AND I'M HOPING THAT THAT COMMITTEE, AND MAYBE IF WE CAN EVEN GET REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE FORK AND, UM, HAPPY CREEK DISTRICT, EVEN THOUGH YOU DON'T HAVE ANY PROPERTIES TECHNICALLY IN THAT IT WOULD BENEFIT HAVING A LITTLE BIT MORE SAY IN THE COMMITTEE. 
          RIGHT NOW WE ONLY HAVE, UH, FOUR CITIZEN MEMBERS, UM, THAT I KNOW ARE WILLING TO COME TO THIS PUBLIC THE NEXT MEETING. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, WE HAVE ONE THAT HAS VOLUNTEERED AND HE'S, HE'S BEEN IN FROM CHERYL'S DISTRICT, AND HE JUST NEEDS TO BE APPROVED BY THE BOARD. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SO THAT WILL BE FOUR. 
          AND THEN MS. COLOR, MS COLOR WILL BE ON THAT IS ON THE, UH, COMMITTEE. 
          AND THEN ALSO, UH, COMMISSIONER REVENUE, SHERRY SOEN WILL BE ON THAT COMMITTEE ALSO. 
          SO, UM, THIS JUST TALKS ABOUT BASICALLY WHEN DURING THE RENEWAL PROCESS, UM, SOME NEXT STEPS ON, YOU KNOW, GETTING THINGS STARTED, RECOMMENDED TIME PERIOD. 
          THIS, THIS WAS GIVEN THIS POWERPOINT. 
          I GOTTA TELL YOU, MS. LOGAN GAVE THIS YEARS AGO, AND IT, IT SEEMS TO HAVE WORKED PRETTY GOOD. 
          AND I JUST SAID, OKAY, WHERE IS IT? WE FOUND IT. 
          WE PLUGGED AND JUG WITH SOME NEW, NEW DATE AND SOME, SOME NUMBERS. 
          SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR THAT. 
          UM, I'LL JUST BASICALLY GO OVER A COUPLE THINGS WITH THE AG FOREST SHORT, UH, DISTRICT ADVISORY COMMITTEE, UH, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPOINTS A 10 MEMBER COMMITTEE CONSISTING OF FOUR LANDOWNERS ENGAGED IN FARMING OR FORESTRY, FOUR OTHER LANDOWNERS, A MEMBER OF THE BOARD AND A AND THE COMMISSIONER REVENUE. 
          UH, AND THEN WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE? TO EVALUATE THE LAND PROPOSED FOR A DISTRICT ACCORDING TO FACTORS LISTED IN THE STATE LAW, INCLUDING AGRICULTURAL AND FORESTAL SIGNIFICANCE PLANNING, CONS, CONSIDERATIONS, RURAL LAND CONSERVATION AND ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS. 
          AND ALSO TO ADVISE THE BOARD AND PLANNING COMMISSION IN RELATION TO THE PROPOSED CREATION MODIFICATIONS, WHICH INCLUDE ADDITIONS AND WITHDRAWALS AND TERMINATION OF THE DISTRICT. 
          SO, UH, SO OUR, THE REASON I GUESS WE'RE, UH, WE'RE HERE, I'M HERE TONIGHT AND, AND, UH, JUST, UH, WE HAVE THIS ON THE AGENDA IS WE HAVE A REQUEST FOR A WITHDRAWAL OF A 754 ACRE, TWO PAR TWO, TWO PROPERTIES. 
          THE TWO THAT I HAVE CIRCLED, 754 ACRES FROM DALE FARM, LLC. 
          AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE HAVE TO HAVE THE COMMITTEE TOGETHER AND, UH, WE ARE ACTUALLY HAVE A, UH, ON THE P PLANNING, COMMISSION AGENDA AND AUTHORIZATION TO ADVERTISE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          IN APRIL'S MEETING. 
          WE WILL BE HAVING THE WORK SESSION THE HOUR BEFORE AT SIX O'CLOCK FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE, UM, THE AG FORESTAL DISTRICT COMMITTEE TO MEET. 
          AND THEN THEY, THE, THE COMMITTEE THEN PROVIDES A RECOMMENDATION TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND WE'LL HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, AND PUBLIC HEARING ONCE HELD. 
          P COMMISSION MAKES THEIR RECOMMENDATION JUST AS ANY OTHER LAND USE TO THE BOARD, AND IT'LL BE IN YOUR HANDS. 
          SO, UM, AGAIN, THIS IS, UH, IT'S KIND OF A WIN-WIN IN THE SENSE OF, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER PUTTING HIS LAND IN CONSERVATION EASEMENT BECAUSE THAT'S IN PERPETUITY. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ALWAYS GONNA SEE THAT. 
          AND ALSO HE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET BACK IN THE AG FORESTRY DISTRICT, UH, EITHER WHEN THEY CHOOSE TO OR AT THE RENEW TIME OF RENEWAL, THEY CAN COME BACK AND SAY, WE'D LIKE TO BE BACK IN THERE. 
          SO, SO YOU'RE ASKING FOR FOUR LANDOWNERS WHO ARE IN THE PROJECT? UM, THE, THE ACT, WE HAVE FOUR EXISTING ONES FROM THE LAST COMMITTEE. 
          YEP. 
          TWO ARE IN THE SHENANDOAH DISTRICT. 
          UH, AND NOW TWO WITH THIS NEW MEMBER ARE IN THE SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT. 
          UH, 
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THE ONE FROM NORTH RIVER, UH, IS DECEASED. 
          IF DR. 
          JAMISON HAS, ANYBODY WHO HE KNOWS MAY BE INTERESTED IN THIS, WE'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE THEIR APPLICATION. 
          THEY CAN SIGN IN, UH, OVER THE, UH, COUNTY WEBSITE. 
          SO YOU NEED ONE FROM THE NORTH RIVER? IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE DID. 
          IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE GOOD. 
          UM, WE DON'T ONLY BECAUSE THE NORTH RIVER DOES HAVE SOME PROPERTIES IN IT, IN THAT ROCKLAND AREA. 
          AND THEN YOU NEED THREE OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS FROM THE COUNTY, IF NOT NECESSARILY IN THE DISTRICT. 
          NOT NECESSARILY. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE IN THE DISTRICT. 
          AND THERE'S THREE OR FOUR OF OTHERS. 
          OH, IT WOULD BE THREE OTHERS. 
          PLUS, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HAPPY CREEK IN THE FORK DISTRICT AND POST THAT, FOUR OF THEM HAVE TO KIND OF HAVE, BE AN AGRICULTURAL, UH, LAND PROPERTY. 
          BUT THAT'S THE FOUR THAT YOU SAID TWO ARE IN SHENANDOAH AND TWO ARE IN SOUTH RIVER. 
          YEAH. 
          THE ONE GENTLEMAN, UH, OUR RECENT, UH, ADVOCATE, UH, MR. BROTMAN, I DON'T KNOW IF HE ACTUALLY FARMS, BUT HE HAS A SIGNIFICANT BACKGROUND IN NATURAL RESOURCES. 
          AND SO HE WOULD COUNT SO WE COULD, WE COULD COUNT HIM. 
          SO WE NEED, HE'D BE FOUR LARGE, INCLUDING HOPEFULLY SOMEBODY FROM NORTH RIVER. 
          YES. 
          AND I, I WILL JUST MENTION THAT IN THE PAST THEY'VE NEVER HAD A FULL COMMITTEE , THEY'VE IN, DURING THE RENEWAL PERIODS. 
          WE'VE NEVER, I, I, FROM WHAT I REMEMBER, I DON'T REMEMBER HAVING A FULL COMMITTEE, BUT I DO REMEMBER IN, IN, IN MY LIST, MY CONTACT LIST, I HAVE FROM THE 2020 AND 2010, THE, THEY WERE, WE HAD REPRESENTATIVES OF THOSE DISTRICTS WHOSE PROPERTIES WERE IN ACT FORCE. 
          SO YOU NEED TOTAL OF SIX OR MORE WHO CAN COME TO THE MEETING AND VOTE. 
          IT'D BE NICE. 
          YEP, YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IF WE CAN COUNT ON MS COLORS AND MS HOURS, THAT'S TWO OF THEM THERE. 
          AND THEN, UH, THE FOUR THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, AND I PLAN ON REACHING OUT TO THEM WITH A LETTER JUST TO LET THEM KNOW THAT, UH, WE HAVE AFTER TOMORROW NIGHT'S MEETING, WE'VE SCHEDULED THE, THE, UH, AND WE NEED TO DO THIS BEFORE YOUR APRIL PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          UH, YEAH, YEAH. 
          IF WE COULD GET MR. BROTMAN APPROVED, UH, AND ANY OTHERS, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 
          IF NOT, I'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE, UM, I'VE BEEN KIND OF PUTTING THESE FOLKS OFF SINCE, UH, OCTOBER TIMEFRAME AND HE IS ON THE AGENDA NEXT WEEK. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO HE WILL, HE WILL BE THERE AND WE WILL POST TO SEE IF WE CAN GET YOU YOUR OTHER, THAT WOULD BE GREAT IF YOU CAN GO OUT AND FIND SOME DRAFTEES. 
          THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. 
          THERE'S, THERE'S CURRENTLY A POSTING FOR IT NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S AN APPOINTMENT PAGE AND IT PUT A, UM, SPOTLIGHT ON THIS SYSTEM. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO, SO, AND THIS WOULD BE, THEY WOULD ONLY MEET ON AN AS NEEDED BASIS UP UNTIL 2030. 
          AND THEN WE WOULD GO THROUGH THE, THE RENEWAL PROCESS FOR ALL THREE DISTRICTS. 
          SO THE COMMITTEE WOULD PARTICIPATE THEN. 
          UM, AND IT'S NOT A PAID POSITION. 
          SORRY, FOLKS. 
          . 
          SO, SO YOU'LL SEND AN EMAIL OUT WITH THE DATE THAT YOU NEED US TO MEET? YEAH, YEAH. 
          I HAVE A MEMO I PUT TOGETHER AND, AND I'LL, I'LL GET THAT OUT. 
          OKAY. 
          TO YOU AND FOLKS. 
          AND THEN, THEN I'LL PUT IT ON MY SCHEDULE TO BE THERE, THOSE FOLKS. 
          UM, I WOULD ASK THAT IF ANYBODY THAT YOU, WELL, LIKE I THINK MR. BARNETT IN YOUR DISTRICT, I DO NOT HAVE, OTHER THAN A ADDRESS, I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY CONTACT INFORMATION FOR HIM. 
          AND I THINK MR. MCG IN YOUR DISTRICT, I THINK I ONLY HAVE A PHONE NUMBER. 
          I HAVE NOT CALLED HIM, BUT IF YOU CAN GET AN EMAIL FROM HIM, THEN I'LL, WHICH MR. MCG, IF I CAN GET A HOLD. 
          UM, ARTHUR ARMANI. 
          CHAD. 
          CHAD BARNETT. 
          CHAD, CHAD. 
          OH NO. 
          IS THAT RIGHT? NO. 
          FOR HIS MCG. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND YOURS IS, IS THOMAS. 
          THOMAS. 
          THOMAS. 
          THOMAS. 
          I'LL SEE IF I CAN GET AHOLD OF HER. 
          YEAH. 
          IF YOU NEED, I CAN TALK TO, AND I DO HAVE MS. BOWEN'S CONTACT INFORMATION. 
          WHO IS, SHE'S IN, IN, UM, IN, UM, MR. STAN MEYER'S DISTRICT. 
          I, I DON'T HAVE MR. BARNETT'S NUMBER, BUT I KNOW WHERE HE LIVES, SO I CAN TRY TO CATCH HIM. 
          IF NOT, I'LL JUST, I'LL SEND HIM A HARD COPY IN THE MEETING. 
          OKAY. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          WE'LL LET HIM KNOW. 
          WELL LET ME KNOW IF YOU DON'T GET A RESPONSE FROM HIM. 
          OKAY. 
          WILL DO. 
          AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          AND ON TO 
          [G. Warren County Planning Commission Annual Report - 2024]
THE NEXT ITEM, THE MAIN ATTRACTION. 
          UH, ARE WE GONNA DO THE, UH, ANNUAL REPORT? I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANYTHING UP THERE ON THE, IN THE REPORT. 
          DID Y'ALL GET A COPY OF THIS? I DID. 
          OKAY. 
          LEMME JUST GO THROUGH REAL QUICK ON THIS AND WE'LL GET THROUGH THIS ONE. 
          UH, CHANGES TO THE 2024 ANNUAL REPORT FROM PREVIOUS YEARS WERE THE ADDITION OF INFORMATION RELATING TO GIS ACTIVITIES ON PAGES 18 AND 19. 
          AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ON PAGE 19, THE WHOLE DOCUMENT WAS REDESIGNED AND FORMATTED BY ALLISON MUTTER, OUR CLERK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND OFFICE MANAGER, UH, WHO WE BELIEVE DID A, AND 
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IT'S A SUBJECTIVELY OPINION, BUT I THINK SHE DID A FANTASTIC JOB. 
          NOTICE THE PHOTOS. 
          I'M GETTING TO THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          , THE MAPS FOR THE REPORT WERE CREATED, UPDATED AND REVISED THROUGHOUT THE REPORT, UH, BY COREY GRIFFITH, OUR GIS COORDINATOR COORDINATOR. 
          AND MANY OF THE PHOTOS WERE REPLACED AND PROVIDED BY YOUR VERY OWN ZACH HENDERSON THROUGH HIS COMPANY, SPECIALIZING IN DRONE AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHY. 
          UH, GRAPHS AND DATA, UM, CONTINUE TO DEVELOP, UH, REFLECT A 10 YEAR PERIOD OF TIME. 
          AND THE HOUSING DATA WAS PROVIDED BY THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS DEPARTMENT. 
          UH, THE AMOUNT OF CONDITIONAL USE, UH, PERMITS YOU'LL NOTE, UH, DECLINED IN 2024 FROM 2023 WITH A DE DECREASE IN APPLICATIONS FOR SHORT TERM TORS RENTALS FROM 47 TO 37. 
          AND I'D JUST LIKE TO THANK PLANNING STAFF AND PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THEIR DILIGENT EFFORTS THIS YEAR WITH ALL THE APPLICATIONS WE RECEIVED, AND, UH, MADE, UH, THE ADVISORY RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE, UH, TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. 
          I HOPE THAT, UH, THIS DOCUMENT REFLECTS THE HARD WORK THAT WAS PUT IN BY STAFF AND, AND . 
          SO, AND THEN WE'LL MOVE TO THE WARREN COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          AND I'M JUST GONNA DO A QUICK BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHERE WE WERE AND WHERE WE'RE GOING. 
          AND THEN I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO KELLY HERE SO SHE CAN KIND OF, UH, GO THROUGH WHAT WE HAVE GOING ON. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S BEEN A LONG JOURNEY. 
          2018 WAS WHEN THE FIVE YEAR REVIEW AND UPDATED THE PLANS, UH, WAS KICKED OFF WITH A COMMUNITY SURVEY AND PREPARATION OF THE WARREN COUNTY STRATEGIC VISION CREATED BY PLANNING STAFF, UH, COUNTY ADMINISTRATION STAFF, AND A CONTRACTOR E-P-R-P-C OF CHARLOTTESVILLE, VIRGINIA. 
          UH, BETWEEN DEALING WITH ZONING RELATED LAWSUIT, THE COVID GLOBAL PANDEMIC FROM CHINA AND STATE STAFFING CHANGES FROM 2019 TO 2024. 
          IT WAS SOMEWHAT DIFFICULT TO GET TRACTION IN MOVING THE COMP PLAN FORWARD, BUT WE WERE VERY FORTUNATE TO HIRE OUR OFFICE MANAGER MANAGER ALLISON, IN 2023, AND OUR PLANNER KELLY, IN 2024, WHO WERE TASKED TO MAKE THE COMP PLAN A PRIORITY IN THE PAST YEAR AND HAVE TRULY RISEN TO THE CHALLENGE OF GETTING US TO THIS POINT. 
          IN EARLY 2024 WORK SESSIONS WERE HELD WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND A CITIZEN SURVEY WAS REINITIATED AND TRACKED BY STAFF FOR CITIZEN INPUT. 
          IN THE FALL OF 2024, PLANNING STAFF HELD A COMMUNITY OUTREACH MEETING TO THE PUBLIC TO HAVE INPUT ON THE PLAN PRIOR TO THE JOINT BOARD AND PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          PUBLIC HEARING AT THAT TIME, A SECOND PUBLIC HEARING ON THE REVISIONS OF, UH, THE PLAN WAS HELD IN JANUARY OF 2025, AND AT WHICH TIME THE PLANNING COMMISSION PASSED A RESOLUTION OF APPROVAL MOVING IT FORWARD TO THE BOARD. 
          SINCE THEN, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, AFTER FORWARDING THE DOCUMENT TO THE BOARD WITH THEIR APPROVED, UH, RESOLUTION, COUNTY STAFF, HAS REVIEWED THE FUTURE LAND USE MAPS FOR CORRECTIONS THAT WERE MISSED. 
          AND, UH, REVISIONS WERE MADE TO THEM AND TO THE SLATE RUN PROPERTIES THAT THE REQUEST OF SUPERVISOR JAMESON AND THE PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, COUNTY PLANNING STAFF, THEN MET WITH EACH SUPERVISOR INDIVIDUALLY TO DISCUSS CHANGES THEY WANTED TO MAKE PRIOR TO BEING PLACED ON THE AGENDA FOR THIS WORK SESSION. 
          IN THE PUBLIC HEARING, MS. WALL WILL ADDRESS THOSE CHANGES IN HER REMARKS. 
          UH, AND LASTLY, A POINT OF REFERENCE, UH, IS THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL PAID $115,000 TO HAVE THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DEVELOPED BY A THIRD PARTY CONTRACTOR WITH STAFF TIME INVOLVED. 
          AND THE PLAN, WE HAVE DONE THIS WITH OUR PLANNING STAFF AND SOME OF THESE WITH SOME EXIST ASSISTANCE FROM THE REGIONAL COMMISSION, WHICH WE PAY ANNUALLY, UH, FOR DATA RESEARCH AND DEMOGRAPHICS AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CHAPTERS. 
          UH, I'LL JUST MENTION AS A GUIDE TO WARREN COUNTY'S FUTURE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS A LIVING DOCUMENT THAT SHOULD BE REVIEWED, DARE I SAY ANNUALLY, BUT, UH, BY THE PLAN, BOARD AND PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          AS SIGNIFICANT CHANGES IMPACT THE COUNTY AND DEVELOPMENT OCCURS. 
          AND IT IS REQUIRED BY STATE CODE TO BE DONE EVERY FIVE YEARS. 
          IT WILL GUIDE PLANNING STAFF AS WE PROPOSE REVISIONS TO ZONING ORDINANCE AND ALLOW THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND BOARD TO MAKE INFORMED AND WISE DECISIONS IN THE LEGISLATIVE RECOMMENDATIONS AND ACTIONS THAT ARE MADE IN THE FUTURE. 
          AND WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO KELLY. 
          WHAT WAS, UH, SO, SO BASICALLY THE TOWN COULD PAY 115,000, BUT THEY CAN'T PONY UP TO THE COUNTY. 
          HUH? CAN'T PAY THEIR BILLS. 
          SO IS THE, THE 2018 THEN, HYPOTHETICALLY IT WAS SUPPOSED SUPPOSED TO BE DONE IN 2018. 
          IT STARTED IN 2018. 
          'CAUSE THE LAST ONE WAS APPROVED IN 20. 
          IN 2013. 
          13, OKAY. 
          SO IT WAS, SO THAT WAS THE TWENTY TEN ONE THEY KICKED OFF IN 2010. 
          THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2013. 
          THEN. 
          SO THIS IS A, I'M NOT SURE WHY WE DIDN'T GET IT DONE IN 2018, BUT IN 2018 THEY ENDED UP STARTING IT 
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AND THEN IT JUST, YEAH, YEAH, A LOT OF THINGS, WHEELS FALL OFF THE WAGON. 
          IT JUST LIKE CAR INSPECTION. 
          I MEAN, ONCE WE'RE DONE NOW THEN WE GET, NOW IT'S FIVE YEARS FROM NOW. 
          FIVE, FIVE YEARS. 
          YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          BUT, UM, THE GOOD THING IS, IS, IS KELLY AND ALLISON ARE, ARE, IF THIS MOVES FORWARD AND GETS APPROVED, THEY'RE GOING TO BE TRACKING THINGS THAT COME UP, HAVE KIND OF A SPREADSHEET GOING ON. 
          THAT MIGHT BE, UH, CHANGES THAT WE, THAT THE BOARD WILL WANT TO LOOK AT FIVE YEARS FROM NOW AND SAY, OKAY, THIS WORKED, THIS DIDN'T WORK. 
          UH, THIS IS SOME STATE CHANGES, THESE ARE CHANGES THAT, UH, WE INITIATED BY THE COMP PLAN AND THEN WE CODIFIED, UH, IN ZONING AND IT SEEMS TO BE WORKING WELL. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY WANT TO JUST CONTINUE THAT. 
          AND SO THEY'LL KEEP KIND OF TRACK OF THAT IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. 
          SO, BUT WITH THAT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ME? AND THEN I'LL KELLY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU MATT. 
          AND 
          [H. Discussion - Warren County Comprehensive Plan]
THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN AND BOARD. 
          UM, SO JUST TO START, I DID PROVIDE YOU ALL WITH, UM, A THUMB DRIVE THAT HAS A COPY OF THE COMP PLAN THAT WAS PASSED BY PLANNING COMMISSION AS WELL AS THE UPDATED COMP PLAN WITH YOUR SUGGESTED EDITS AND ALSO THE LIST OF THE ITEMIZED CHANGES. 
          UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO BRIEFLY KICK OFF A REMINDER FOR THE STATE CODE. 
          UM, ONCE, UH, WE HAVE A NOTICE AND HEARING ON THE PLAN RECOMMENDING BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO THE GOVERNING BODY, IT IS TO BE POSTED ON THE WEBSITE THAT HAS BEEN TAKEN CARE OF. 
          UM, SO THIS IS ACTUALLY OUR CURRENT POSTING ON THE WEBSITE. 
          AND THEN MOVING ON, WE DO MOVE INTO, UH, THE ADOPTION OR DISAPPROVAL BY YOU GUYS, THE GOVERNING BODY. 
          SO AFTER CERTIFICATION OR, UH, PART THEREOF OF THE PLAN, YOU SHALL POST THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, TO A WEBSITE WHICH HAS BEEN TAKEN CARE OF. 
          AND THEN WE WILL SCHEDULE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING WITH THE REQUIRED NOTICE TO THE PUBLIC AND THEN ACTING ON THE PLAN OR PART THEREOF OR ANY AMENDMENTS. 
          THE GOVERNING BODY SHALL ACT WITHIN 90 DAYS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION, WHICH OCCURRED AS MATT SAID ON JANUARY 8TH. 
          SO THAT WOULD PUT US INTO EARLY APRIL TO MEET THAT 90 DAYS. 
          UM, AND THEN, I'M SORRY, CAN YOU GO BACK ONE MM-HMM . 
          ON THAT FIRST? NO, THE OTHER ONE WITH THE PERSON UNDER THE PERSON UHHUH. 
           IS THAT BY, UH, A, A PUBLIC PLANNING COMMISSION PUBLIC HEARING OR, OR SUPERVISOR. 
          SO IT WILL REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING WITH YOU ALL AND IT WILL HAVE TO BE ADVERTISED AS WELL. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, SO THEN IF YOU GUYS DECIDE TO DISAPPROVE THE PLAN, IT DOES HAVE TO BE RETURNED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO WHICH THEY HAVE, UH, 60 DAYS TO RECONSIDER THEIR, RECONSIDER THE PLAN AND RESUBMIT IT WITH ANY OF THE CHANGES. 
          UM, AND THEN AS MATT HAD SAID, STATE CODE REQUIRES AN UPDATE OR REVIEW TO BE COMPLETED EVERY FIVE YEARS ON THE PLAN. 
          SO SHOULD YOU GUYS, UM, APPROVE THIS ONE, WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT AN UPDATE IN 2030. 
          SO FOR CLARIFICATION, AS I UNDERSTAND IT FROM JASON, THE BOARD IS REQUIRED TO HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PLAN ADOPTED BY AND RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, RATHER THAN THE ONES WITH THE CHANGES THAT YOU'VE BEEN LOOKING AT. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND THEN THEY WOULD MAKE, WE WOULD HAVE SUGGESTED MOTIONS WITH THE OPTION TO APPROVE AND ADOPT THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S RESOLUTION, AMEND AND ADOPT. 
          AND THAT AT THAT POINT, THAT WOULD BE WHEN YOU AMEND THE COMP PLAN OR DISAPPROVE OF THE PLAN. 
          I'LL HAVE A EXAMPLE OF THOSE MOTIONS AT THE VERY END OF THIS POWERPOINT. 
          SO IF THEY AMEND IT, DOES IT HAVE TO BE RETURNED? NO. 
          THEY HAVE THE POWER TO AMEND AND ADOPT. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHY WE WILL, I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE BEST TO ADVERTISE, WHICH WE WOULD HAVE TO CLEAR THIS WITH LEGAL, BUT TO ADVERTISE BOTH VERSIONS OF THE COMP PLAN, BOTH, BOTH THE PC RESOLUTION VERSION AS WELL AS THE EDITED VERSION. 
          BUT WE DID, UM, YOU KNOW, IN PROVIDING THE ITEMIZED LIST, THAT MIGHT BE SUFFICIENT. 
          I THINK LEGAL WANTS A LITTLE LIST. 
          YEAH. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO THE LIST MIGHT BE SUFFICIENT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I DO HAVE, THE PAGE NUMBERS ARE ON THERE. 
          UM, AND, AND AGAIN, JUST TO SAVE A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY ON CONTINUOUSLY PRINTING THESE, IT'S 242 PAGES AS IT STANDS. 
          SO THAT'S A THOUSAND PAGES EVERY SINGLE TIME. 
          SO I FIGURED YOU GUYS WOULD BE MORE THAN OKAY WITH JUST WORKING OUT OF THE DIGITAL COPY. 
          UM, SO MOVING ON TO THE ACTUAL CHANGES TO THE PLAN AS RECOMMENDED, SUGGESTED BY YOU GUYS, UM, WE DID CHANGE UP THE IMPLICATIONS TO CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT. 
          WE DECIDED BASED ON, SO AFTER ONE SUPERVISOR HAD BROUGHT THIS SECTION TO OUR ATTENTION, IT WAS CONCLUDED THAT THE PERCEPTION OF CLUSTER SUBDIVISIONS HAS CHANGED A LITTLE BIT SINCE 2013. 
          UM, SO YOU CAN COMPARE AND CONTRAST, UH, THIS IS THE NEW UPDATED SECTION OF THAT. 
          SO AT, I MEAN, AT THE CONCLUSION OF THAT, 
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IN THE PREVIOUS VERSION ADOPTED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WE HAD NOTED THAT THE COUNTY SHOULD CONSIDER INCREASING THE HOUSING DENSITY ALLOWANCE IN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT TO MAKE THESE LOTS MORE ECONOMICALLY VIABLE FOR DEVELOPERS. 
          IT KIND OF SEEMS BASED, UH, ON PUBLIC COMMENT, WE DON'T WANT A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT IN AGRICULTURAL AREAS. 
          UM, SO WE DID CONCLUDE IT THAT THE COUNTY SHOULD ENCOURAGE HIGHER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN URBAN AREAS WITHIN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL. 
          UM, AND THEN PLACING HIGHER RESTRICTIONS, UM, REQUIREMENTS ON THESE CLUSTER SUBDIVISIONS TO MEET A HIGHER STANDARD SHOULD THEY BE DEVELOPED. 
          SO A A LOT OF THERE, THERE ARE SEVERAL THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVE BEEN APPLIED FOR OVER THE YEARS, AND THEY, THEY'VE JUST TAKEN YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS TO DEVELOP. 
          THEY'VE FALLEN THROUGH. 
          UM, WE DO HAVE A SUCCESSFUL ONE IN BENTONVILLE OFF OF HOLIDAY. 
          UM, AND THAT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THAT'S THEY ARE, UH, FINALLY COMPLETED WITH VDOT. 
          VDOT WILL BE SUBMITTING THE INFORMATION TO THEM AND TO US FOR THE RELEASE OF THE BOND. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          'CAUSE I WAS GONNA SAY MM-HMM . 
          VDOT HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THEM FOR 10 YEARS. 
          AND ALONG THOSE LINES, JUST TO TIE INTO WHAT KELLY HAS BEEN SAYING, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE SEEN IS THAT, UM, THE PERFORMANCE BONDS WEREN'T SUFFICIENT IN A COUPLE OF THESE. 
          AND IN ONE CASE, UH, THE DEVELOPER WENT BELLY UP, UH, AND DIED. 
          UH, AND THE COUNTY TOOK OVER THE DEVELOPMENT AND IT WAS, UH, WE HAD TO HAVE A STATE ROAD PUT IN IN ORDER TO SERVE A HOME THAT WAS BEING BUILT BY, UH, UH, WOUNDED WARRIORS FOR ONE OF OUR LOCAL WOUNDED WARRIORS. 
          AND, UM, SO THE COUNTY TOOK OVER IT AND THERE WAS NOT QUITE ENOUGH MONEY IN THE BOND TO TAKE CARE OF EVERYTHING. 
          SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT HIGHER BONDS PERFORMANCE BONDS BE PLACED ON THESE UNTIL VDOT AND ALL STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, UH, ITEMS ARE, ARE SIGNED OFF ON AND THAT WE RAISE OR RELEASE THOSE BONDS OR DECREASE THEM AS AS REQUESTED. 
          I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT. 
          THAT ROAD IS FINE. 
          I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THAT PERSONALLY FOR SIX YEARS. 
           YEAH, IT SHOULD BE COMING TO YOU WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH, I THINK, OR SO I'VE BEEN IN EMAIL CONTACT WITH THEM. 
          IT'S ON OUR AGENDA FOR TOMORROW'S MEETING, SO THAT'S GOOD NEWS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO WE DID MAKE A COUPLE OF CHANGES TO SOME OF THE IMPLEMENTATIONS. 
          IT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY REMOVE, UH, BONUS DENSITIES FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSINGS FROM FOLKS ON THE COUNTY THAT SHOULD BE MORE OF A TOWN FOCUS FOR THESE, UM, AFFORDABLE FOR THE DENSITY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          SO THAT WAS REMOVED IN ITS ENTIRETY FROM BOTH CHAPTER FOUR, WHERE IT'S FIRST PRESENTED AND CHAPTER EIGHT, WHICH IS A LIST OF OUR IMPLEMENTATIONS. 
          UH, THEN WE ALSO, WHILE WE KEPT THE IMPLEMENTATION FOR UTILIZING LOCAL, STATE AND FEDERAL FUNDS FOR HOUSING PROGRAMS, WE REMOVED THE REFERENCE TO POSSIBLE SOURCES, WHICH INCLUDED HUD, UM, SECTION EIGHT HOUSING SHOULD PROBABLY BE MORE FOCUSED TOWARD THE TOWN. 
          UM, BUT WE DID STILL KEEP THAT IMPLEMENTATION IN PLACE. 
          WE JUST EDIT IT. 
          I WOULD SAY PROBABLY FOR SOME OF THOSE FEDERAL AGENCIES AND ENTITIES, THEY MAY BE SUBJECT TO NAME CHANGES, UH, WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING THROUGH NOW. 
          SO WITH CONSOLIDATION OF, UH, DEPARTMENTS AND AGENCIES AND THAT KIND OF THING. 
          SO JUST TO BE MORE BROAD IN OUR TERMS, UH, THAT, THAT OUT FOR US. 
          UM, SO WE DID ADD AN OBJECTIVE, UM, ANOTHER BOARD MEMBER, AND IT WAS ACTUALLY, I THINK IT WAS TWO BOARD MEMBERS HAD SUGGESTED THE EXPLORATION OF UTILIZING QUARRIES, UH, FOR, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL WATER RESOURCES FOR THE FUTURE. 
          SO IN LIEU OF ADDING AN ENTIRE SECTION BASED ON WHERE WE'RE WHERE WE ARE IN THIS UPDATE FOR NOW, UM, WE ADDED A NEW OBJECTIVE TO CHAPTER SEVEN, WHICH, UH, WATER SERVICES LISTED UNDER SECTION TWO AND CHAPTER SEVEN TO EXPLORE UTILIZING RESERVOIRS, QUARRIES AND CATCHMENT BASEMENTS BASINS FOR WATER. 
          AND THEN WHEN WE, WE CAN CONTINUE TO BUILD OFF OF THIS, BUT FOR NOW, IT'S, IT'S BEEN LISTED AS AN OBJECTIVE. 
          UH, WE HAD SOME MORE MINOR UPDATES, UH, ADDING CHRIST COLLEGE OR ADDING TO THE BIKE PATHS, UH, FROM CHRIST COLLEGE ON SHENANDOAH SHORES TO HAPPY CREEK TO POSSIBLY LINK UP WITH BLEACH RUN PARKWAY. 
          WE MO REMOVED ALL REFERENCES TO THREE AND A HALF ACRES FOR CONSIDERATION OF MINIMUM LOT SIZE FOR THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS. 
          SO NOW INSTEAD OF TACKING ON A LIMIT TO THE ACREAGE, WE COULD BUILD OFF OF THAT ONCE WE PRESENT THE, THE, OR THE DRAFT OF THE ORDINANCE. 
          AND THE COMP PLAN THEN JUST BECOMES MORE BROAD. 
          UH, 
          [02:40:01]
WE UPDATED ALL OF THE CHARTS AND GRAPHS FOR READABILITY. 
          UM, UPDATED SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME NAMES RAYMOND E ST. 
          MEYER STUDENT UNION AND ACTIVITY CENTER WAS RECENTLY UPDATED. 
          UM, ANOTHER BIG ADDITION WAS TO CHAPTER TWO. 
          WE ADDED THE RESOLUTION THAT YOU ALL PASSED IN AUGUST OF 2024, REQUESTING ADDITIONAL MATERNITY IN WOMEN'S HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS AND SERVICES FOR WARREN COUNTY. 
          IN SUPPORT OF THE ONGOING EFFORT TO ESTABLISH A VARIETY OF BUSINESSES THAT SUPPORT THE OVERALL HEALTH AND WELLBEING OF ITS RESIDENTS. 
          WE WILL ADD THAT RESOLUTION AS AN APPENDIX ITEM TO CHAPTER SEVEN, TABLE 7.2. 
          UH, WE JUST ADDED THE COST ESTIMATES FOR EACH OF THESE PROPOSED ROAD IMPROVEMENTS. 
          THOSE WERE PROVIDED TO US BY VDOT. 
          SO THEY HAVE AN ACTUAL SPLICING TOOL, THEY CAN GO IN AND CREATE THESE COST ESTIMATES. 
          UM, SO MOVING ON TO OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MAP CHANGES, WE HAD SOME MINOR MAP CHANGES. 
          OUR GIS COORDINATOR JUST WANTED TO ADD SOME OF HIS REFERENCES. 
          UH, SO HE WANTED TO SOURCE THOSE SO THOSE WERE ADDED TO THE LISTED MAPS. 
          AND THEN HE ADJUSTED SOME OF THE LEGENDS. 
          SO THOSE ARE ALL MINOR, MINOR CHANGES. 
          THE BIGGEST CHANGES, UH, THIS IS A COPY OF THE PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE THAT THE PC UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION PASSED A RESOLUTION ON. 
          THERE WERE SOME ERRORS THAT WERE NOTED AFTER, UH, YOU KNOW, LANDOWNERS HAD BROUGHT SOME STUFF TO OUR ATTENTION. 
          SO WE JUST WANTED TO POINT THOSE OUT. 
          THIS WOULD BE THE CORRECTED OVERVIEW OF THE COUNTY AND MOST OF ALL OF THOSE CHANGES OCCUR IN THE CORRIDOR. 
          SO I CAN PULL UP A MAP THAT WILL BE MORE CENTRALLY FOCUSED ON THAT. 
          SO OBVIOUSLY WITH SLATE RUN, WE HAD, UH, AMENDED THE FLOODPLAIN. 
          SO WE'VE TAKEN THAT OUT. 
          IT'LL BE ENTIRELY INDUSTRIAL AND I BELIEVE EVEN A CERTAIN PORTION OF IT HAD ACCIDENTALLY BEEN LEFT OFF. 
          SO THAT'S BEEN INCLUDED. 
          THERE IS THE SMALL CIRCLE TO THE SOUTH OF THAT, THAT WAS IN AIR. 
          UH, IT IS A COMMERCIALLY, A FUTURE LAND USE COMMERCIAL THAT WAS LEFT OFF. 
          SO WE HAD GIS UPDATE THAT TO THE NORTH IN THE MIDDLE. 
          THOSE WERE FUTURE LAND USE COMMERCIAL. 
          WE HAVE AN ACTIVE ZONING, UH, APPLICATION FOR REZONING FOR INDUSTRIAL. 
          SO WE'D LIKE TO UPDATE THOSE TO FUTURE LAND USE INDUSTRIAL RATHER THAN FUTURE LAND USE COMMERCIAL. 
          AND TO THE FAR NORTH. 
          UH, THIS WAS JUST A PROPOSED CHANGE TO FUTURE LAND USE COMMERCIAL TO JUST BE CONTIGUOUS WITH SURROUNDING LAND USES. 
          AND THEN DOWN TO THE SOUTH YOU'LL SEE THE WHITE HASH MARKS. 
          THAT WAS BY THE REQUEST OF THE OWNER, MR. MURPHY TO DOWN ZONE THAT TO AGRICULTURAL. 
          SO WE WILL PROVIDE YOU ALL WITH OPTIONS AT THE TIME OF THE PUBLIC HEARING TO MAKE A MOTION ON, UH, OPTION ONE WILL BE ALL OF THOSE CHANGES THAT I JUST MENTIONED. 
          TO SLATE, RUN THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH WILL BE FUTURE LAND USE COMMERCIAL. 
          THE UPDATE TO THE MIDDLE PORTION, UH, 5 22 PROPERTIES WILL BE FUTURE LAND USE INDUSTRIAL. 
          AND THEN TO THE NORTH, UH, WILL BE THOSE. 
          THE FUTURE LAND USE COMMERCIAL OPTION TWO, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE WILL BE REMOVING THAT FUTURE LAND USE COMMERCIAL AND THEN ANY INPUT THAT YOU ALL HAVE ON THE COUNTY OWNED PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH THAT WE HAVE MARKED AS FUTURE LAND USE INDUSTRIAL, WHETHER YOU, YOU ALL CHOOSE TO UPDATE THAT TO COMMERCIAL OR IF YOU ALL WANT TO KEEP THAT FUTURE LAND USE INDUSTRIAL. 
          SO IN ALL OF THOSE OPTIONS, JUST THE LOT, UH, 141 ACRE LOT TO THE NORTH OF FAMILY DOLLAR STAYS IN AG IN ALL THREE OPTIONS, IT'LL STAY IN AG THAT WAS COMPLETELY REMOVED. 
          OKAY? MM-HMM . 
          YEAH, THE, THE PARTIAL YOU SEE UP THERE WITH THE CIRCLE AROUND IT, THAT'S ACROSS 5 22 3 40 FROM FAMILY DOLLAR AND IS NOT ADJACENT TO AN AG FOREST DISTRICT. 
          SO THIS WAS THAT FAMILY DOLLAR WHERE THE FAMILY DOLLAR THAT PARTIAL TO THE BOARD OF IT OF FAMILY DOLLAR, UH, WAS ADJACENT TO ACT FOREST. 
          AND THAT WAS WHERE MANY OF THE CONCERNS OF THE ROCKLAND COMMITTEE CAME ON. 
          UM, THAT PARCEL I DID NOT KNOW WHEN WE FIRST EXPLORED THIS. 
          I DID NOT KNOW THAT THERE WAS A HISTORY BETWEEN THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS BACK IN THE NINETIES WHEN FAMILY DO WAS GOING THROUGH THAT, THE BOARD, UH, KIND OF SET THAT LIMIT AS TO HOW FAR THE, UH, AGRICULTURE, THE INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL ZONING WOULD GO. 
          AND ALSO IN HEARING SOME OF THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT LAND IS NOT EASY TO DEVELOP. 
          UH, IT LIVES UP TO ITS THING ROCKLAND AND UH, HAS I'M SURE SOME, UH, GEOTECHNICAL CHALLENGES TO IT. 
          SO IT MAY BE THAT A PROPERTY OWNER IN THE FUTURE MAY WANT TO LOOK AT, UM, YOU KNOW, A CONSERVATION EASEMENT, GETTING SOME LAND, PUT SOME MONEY OUT OF THE PROPERTY, AND THEY MAY BE SELLING SOME, UH, 
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UH, TAX CREDITS FOR STORM WATER, UH, THROUGH THE STATE. 
          SO THERE, THERE ARE OPTIONS FOR THAT PROPERTY OWNER, UH, IF THEY CHOOSE NOT TO ACTUALLY ACTIVELY, UH, OPERATE IT AS A, AS A WORKING FARM. 
          UM, BUT UH, YES, IT HAS BEEN TAKEN OUT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO THOSE ARE JUST TWO EXAMPLES OF THE OPTIONS THAT WILL BE PROVIDED. 
          AND SHOULD YOU ALL CHOOSE OPTION ONE, THIS IS WHAT THE OVERVIEW WOULD THEN LOOK LIKE FOR FUTURE LAND USE IN THE CORRIDOR. 
          AND I'LL JUST MENTION TOO, UH, WE DID LEAVE THE FLOODPLAIN AREAS TO THE NORTH OF SLATE RUN AND TO THE SOUTH OF SLATE RUN AS FUTURE LAND USED FOR AGRICULTURAL BECAUSE IT IS NOT ONLY IN THE FLOODPLAIN, BUT IT'S IN THE LAKE FREDERICK DAN BREAK AND ATION AREA. 
          AND, UH, OUR COUNTY CODE SECTION, OUR OVERLAY DISTRICT PROHIBITS DEVELOPMENT IN THAT FLOOD PLAIN AREA. 
          SO, UM, WE KEPT IT IN THOSE PROPERTIES BUT TOOK THEM OFF THE SLATE RUN. 
          UM, AND AS I SAID PREVIOUSLY, HERE IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF THE MOTIONS. 
          WE WILL WORK WITH LEGAL ON COMPOSING THESE, THESE MOTIONS, BUT THIS WILL JUST BE AN IDEA OF HOW THEY'LL BE PRESENTED TO YOU ALL. 
          SO YOU WOULD, UM, HAVE THE OPTION TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION APPROVING AND ADOPTING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          UH, CHOOSE TO AMEND AND ADOPT OR A MOTION TO DISAPPROVE. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE WE'LL ADD THE, THE MAP CHANGES FOR YOUR APPROVAL AS WELL AS MOTIONS PROVIDE DIRECT, ALSO AMEND AND ADOPT, UH, OPTION ONE OR OPTION CORRECT TWO, UH, WITH THAT ONE, COMMERCIAL PARCEL TWO, WE'VE NOT HAD ANY CITIZEN INQUIRIES ABOUT THAT. 
          SO WITH THAT, I MEAN, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR INSIGHT AND CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PLAN. 
          UM, I THINK WE DID OUR BEST TO EXCEED YOUR ALL'S EXPECTATIONS AND INCLUDE EVERYTHING THAT YOU GUYS SUGGESTED OR RECOMMENDED THAT WE CHANGE, UM, BASED ON, YOU KNOW, YOUR IDEAS OR CONTRIBUTIONS FROM YOUR CONSTITUENTS. 
          SO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR MEETING WITH US AND TAKING THE TIME. 
          UM, BUT JUST WANTED TO GET THIS IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS BEFORE WE DECIDED TO ADVERTISE FOR PUBLIC HEARING. 
          UM, AND THEN AGAIN, JUST UH, TAKE SOME TIME TO REVIEW THE UPDATED VERSION. 
          AND I DID INCLUDE THE PAGE NUMBERS SO YOU GUYS CAN JUST GET TO IT REALLY QUICKLY. 
          AND ALSO, ALLISON DID MAKE THE, THE YOU'RE ALL'S EDITED VERSION, UH, CLICKABLE. 
          SO WHEN YOU'RE IN THE TABLE OF CONTENTS, YOU CAN CLICK ON THE CHAPTER, YOU CAN CLICK ON THE SECTION, AND IT'LL BRING YOU RIGHT TO IT. 
          UM, IT JUST MADE IT WELL A LITTLE BIT MORE NAVIGABLE FOR, FOR YOU GUYS AND ANY OF THE READERS AND, AND WHICHEVER VERSION OF THE CONTENT WE GO WITH, ONCE IT'S POSTED ONLINE, IT'LL BE THAT WAY INDEFINITELY. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU AND MATT AND ALLISON FOR, FOR ALL YOUR ACCOMMODATIONS AND, AND WILLINGNESS TO BE FLEXIBLE AND, AND WHEN WE CAN COME IN AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND THE RESPONSIVENESS HAVEN'T. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU, YOU HAVE BEEN EXTREMELY RESPONSIVE AND PROFESSIONAL AND, UM, I'M REALLY PROUD OF THIS PLAN. 
          IT'S, IT'S BEAUTIFUL AND THE, THE FACT THAT WE DID IT IN H HOUSE IS REALLY IMPRESSIVE, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          WE ARE, WE'RE PRETTY PROUD OF IT TOO. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          NO, I, I I THINK YOU'VE DONE A, A GREAT JOB. 
          IT IS. 
          UM, I STILL HAVE A, A COUPLE QUESTIONS AND I'M GONNA BE HERE I THINK MOST OF THE DAY TOMORROW, SO I'LL JUST TOUCH BASE 'CAUSE IT'S GETTING LATE. 
          BUT, UM, NO, I THINK ALL OF YOU'VE DONE A, A REALLY GOOD JOB ON THIS. 
          UM, ESPECIALLY YOU COMING IN AS A NEW PERSON AND HAVING THIS THROWN ON YOU. 
          UM, YOU KUDOS FOR THAT. 
          AND THANK YOU. 
          STILL HERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, DEALING WITH, UM, I LIKEN IT TO TOO MANY COOKS IN THE KITCHEN AND YOU DIDN'T BURN THE MEAL, SO YOU DID REALLY GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          AND ALLISON, WHO HAPPENS TO BE AN ENGLISH MAJOR, WENT THROUGH AND, UM, SHE UPDATED ALL OF THE GRAMMAR, MADE SURE THERE WERE NO MISSPELLED WORDS, UH, AS SHE LIKED TO CONTINUOUSLY TELL ME OVER AND OVER COMMAS ARE NOT SPRINKLES, KELLY . 
          UM, SO SHE UPDATED THAT AND, UH, MADE SURE THAT THE FORMATTING WAS ALL CORRECT. 
          APPARENTLY I LOVE COMMAS, BUT, UM, ANYWAY, SO I'M PROBABLY RIGHT THERE WITH YOU. 
          SO, YEAH. 
          , I HAVE A QUESTION FOR DR. 
          DALEY ON THIS. 
          UH, IN ORDER TO MEET THAT 90 DAY TIMELINE, UH, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT AT THE BOARD MEETING ON, I GUESS WE WOULD HAVE BE ABLE TO AUTHORIZE ADVERTISEMENT FOR THAT PUBLIC HEARING TO HAVE IT ON THE FOURTH? OR WOULD, UH, WE HAVE TO BUMP IT TO THE 18TH, UM, OF APRIL? I JUST, UH, I'M, ARE YOU TALKING APRIL? SO APRIL WE, WE, 
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YEAH, WE'RE GO, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE IT, THE PUBLIC HEARING IN APRIL, BUT IS THERE A POSSIBILITY WE COULD HAVE IT ON THE FIRST BOARD MEETING? ? WELL, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK. 
          WE'LL ASK OUR BOARD MEMBERS THAT, BUT IF WE COULD, IF WE COULD POTENTIALLY DO THAT, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET IT ON THE FIRST, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THEN JUST, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          VERY GOOD. 
          WELL, THANK YOU AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING. 
          WE APPRECIATE. 
          THANK YOU ALL. 
          THANK YOU ALL. 
          GET HOME SAFELY. 
          SO DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SO MOVE SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          OKAY.
* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.