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IT IS NOW SIX O'CLOCK AND, UH, WE WILL BEGIN OUR WORKING SESSION FOR, UH, TUESDAY, APRIL THE EIGHTH.
SO, WHAT, WHAT DO WE HAVE FIRST ON THE AGENDA? YOU HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING, SIR, TO HAVE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS.
THE, UM, SANITARY DISTRICT RATES ARE A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT THE RESOLUTION FOR TAX RELIEF IS NOT, IT'S JUST A REGULAR ITEM.
[A. Public Hearing - Sanitary District Rates for CY 2025]
THE FIRST ONE IS THE SANITARY DISTRICTS.AND WHO, WHO DO WE HAVE? WHO'S
UH, LAST WEEK THE BOARD APPROVED THE GENERAL TAX RATES.
WE HAD SEVERAL SANITARY DISTRICTS THAT ASKED FOR INCREASES IN THEIR RATE, UH, BLUE MOUNTAIN
AND WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU HAVE HOLD HEARING, CONSIDER THOSE RATES IN ORDER TO APPROVE.
WELL, FOR THAT YOU CAN BEGIN THE DISCUSSION.
THIS IS ON THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE SAME YES.
YOU CALLING THE PUBLIC HEARING? YES, SIR.
YEAH, I RECALL OUR LAST MEETING THAT WE HAD, THAT WE WENT AHEAD AND WE PROVED THE, UM, THE TAX ASSESSMENT LESS THE SANITARY DISTRICTS.
BECAUSE THESE WERE THE, UM, FEES THAT WERE GOING TO INCREASE.
AND THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF HAVING THIS SPECIAL MEETING FOR US TO, UM, REVIEW THE, THE INCREASES AND MAKE A MOTION.
SO CAN WE GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THESE AND JUST KIND OF, UM, BRIEFLY TOUCH ON 'EM? SO THE, UH, BLUE MOUNTAIN CURRENTLY IS $65 PER LOT PLUS 22 CENTS PER HUNDRED, AND THEY RISK TO INCREASE TO 65 PER WHILE, PLUS 23 CENTS.
22 TO HIGH KNOB IS INCREASING UNIMPROVED LOTS FROM SIX 20 TO 7 38, AND THEY ARE LOWERING IMPROVED PLOTS FROM 9 9 9 9 9 CENTS TO 7 38.
SO THERE'LL BE A UNIFORM RATE PLUS 15 CENTS HUNDRED ON THE ASSESSED VALUE.
SHANNON MILLER SHORES, UM, UM, WE WILL ASK IF THAT BE REMOVED.
THEY WILL BE CHANGING THE WATER RATES AND MR. HAM WILL HAVE A SEPARATE ORDINANCE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER NEXT WEEK FOR THOSE WATER RATES.
THE ASSESSMENTS IN SOUTH RIVER STATES IS CURRENTLY $300 PER LOT PLUS ONE HALF A PER HUNDRED OF ASSESSED VALUE.
AND THIS WILL GO FROM THREE'S, RIGHT? 10 CENTS.
SO, SO IT'S, IT'S HAVING A 20 FOLD INCREASE.
UM, THIS BOARD, SOUTH RIVER ESTATES, UM, GOT A LITTLE MIXED UP WITH WHAT 5 CENTS WAS.
SO THEY WANTED TO HAVE IT BE 5 CENTS, BUT IT WAS NOT.
SO THIS YEAR THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY DOUBLING IT OKAY.
TO COME UP WITH A BUDGET FROM LAST YEAR THAT THEY WANTED TO HAVE.
AND THESE RATES HAVE ALL BEEN APPROVED BY THIS REQUESTED BY THE SANITARY DISTRICT, SIR.
SO THEN, SO THEN WE ARE GONNA PULL THE SHENANDOAH SHORES AND NOT DISCUSS THOSE? THAT'S CORRECT.
THEY DID NOT WANT TO CHANGE ANY OF THEIR RATES.
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A TYPO WITH THE MEMBERSHIP FEE AND THE TAP ON FEE ADDING ON TO WHAT WAS APPROVED IN AUGUST, BUT THAT ALSO IS GOING TO REMAIN THE SAME RIGHT NOW.SO WE WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THE BOARD REMOVE SHANNON DO SHORES FROM THE MOTION.
OR A, AND THE MOTION, THE ALTERNATE IS I MOVE THAT SHANNON SANITARY DISTRICT TAX RATES AND RATES OF CHANGE BE APPROVED AS PRESENTED WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE $200 MEMBERSHIP FEE AND THE $400 TAP FEE FOR SAN SHORES.
DO I HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? SO DID THESE, UH, THESE SANITARY DISTRICTS PROVIDE THE REASON WHY THEY'RE INCREASING THEIR RATES? NOT SPECIFICALLY.
UM, I'M LOOKING AT MR. BARRY BACK THERE SINCE HE WORKS WITH THE DISTRICTS.
THESE ARE JUST WHAT, WHEN THEY HAD THEIR ANNUAL MEETING, THESE ARE WHAT THEY REQUESTED.
THEY USUALLY HAVE SPECIFIC BUDGETARY NEEDS, AND SO EITHER THEY WANT TO INCREASE THAT TO COVER THE BUDGET OR IN THE INSTANCE OF HIGH KNOB, THEY'RE DECREASING IT.
BUT WE HAVE NOT SEEN THOSE BUDGETS.
WE, WE DON'T SEE THOSE BUDGETS.
WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, I DON'T SEE WHAT THEY, UM, THEY EXPENDED LAST YEAR, YOU KNOW, THE FAMOUS PERFORMANCE.
BUT I DO, AS LONG AS THEY'VE BEEN SOCIALIZED WITH THEIR, THEIR, UM, THEIR MEMBERS.
DO SEE WHAT BLUE MOUNTAIN DOES.
AND, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ACTUALLY VERY GOOD WITH THEIR ACCOUNTING AND THEIR RECORD KEEPING MM-HMM
AND, UH, THIS IS IN LINE WITH THE BUDGET REQUESTS OR INCREASE THAT THEY NEED.
UM, AND IT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY DID LAST YEAR.
I THINK THEY RAISED IT LAST YEAR FROM 21 TO 22 MM-HMM
SO, UM, THEY'RE BASICALLY KEEPING PACE WITH INFLATION.
DO I HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SO DO I HAVE A MOTION? WE GOTTA HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, SIR.
WELL THEN WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
DO I HAVE ANY, UH, IS ANYBODY SIGNED UP? NO, SIR.
DOES ANYBODY IN THE, UH, IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK? I HAVE A QUESTION.
PLEASE COME AND STATE YOUR NAME AND THE, THE DISTRICT THAT YOU'RE IN.
I'M GLORIA SALINE AND I'M FROM SHENANDOAH FARMS. CAN, CAN YOU GLORIA SELINE SHENANDOAH FARMS. OKAY.
I READ ON THE WEBSITE THAT YOU WERE DOING THIS TODAY, BUT I SAW SHENANDOAH FARM FARMS ON THERE.
ARE YOU DOING ANYTHING WITH THE SANITARY DISTRICT FEES FOR SHANAN DOLE FARMS? I, BECAUSE IT WAS, YEAH.
UM, YEAH, I'M ON, UH, OR I'M THE LIAISON TO THE ADVISORY BOARD THERE AND I'M AWARE, YEAH, THEY, UM, THEY LEFT THEM THE SAME, SO, OH, THEY LEFT THEM SAY, OKAY.
I CAME TO FIND OUT IF THAT WAS CHANGED OR NOT.
AND MIKE, MIKE BERRY, YOU WERE SIGNALING TO ME, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD? WE'RE WE'RE ON THE AGENDA FOR WORK SESSION ABOUT ROADS AND
WE ARE DISCUSSING THEIR ROAD IMPROVEMENT PLAN LATER IN THIS MEETING, SO YOU MAY WANNA STICK AROUND FOR THAT.
THE, SO IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE.
THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
SO DO, DO I HAVE ANY DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? NOPE.
SO DO I HAVE A MOTION? YEAH, I, I'LL UM, MOVE, I MOVE THAT THE SANITARY DISTRICT TAX RATES AND RATES OF CHARGE BE APPROVED AS PRESENTED WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE $200 MEMBERSHIP FEE AND THE $400 TAPON FEE FOR SHENANDOAH SHORES.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND ROLL CALL MRS. COOK? AYE.
MR. SANDMEYER? AYE MRS. COLORS? AYE.
[B. Adoption of Resolution to Set Percentage of Tax Relief for Personal Property (Motor Vehicles) for 2025 Tax Year]
ONE IS THE ADOPTION OF RESOLUTION TO SET PERCENTAGE OF TAX RELIEF FOR PERSONAL PROPERTY FOR TAX YEAR 2025.SO IS THIS FOLLOWING UP? WHAT WAS DISCUSSED IN OUR LAST,
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UM, LAST WEEK'S MEETING ABOUT THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX? THE ASSESSMENTS OF THE PERSONAL PROPERTY HAS GONE DOWN.UH, IT'S GONE DOWN, MA'AM, BUT I WOULDN'T GO TOO FAR UNTIL YOU HAVE MORE INFORMATION FROM THE COMMISSIONER.
UM, THIS IS BASED ON, YOU HAVE THE EMAIL AND THE MEMORANDUM FROM THE COMMISSIONER INDICATING WE HAVE, THE BOARD HAS TO SET THE STATE SHARE OF THE PERSONAL PROPERTY RELIEF.
AND SHE HAS CALCULATED THAT FOR THIS YEAR AT 26, 26 0.9, 25.97 OR 26%, WHICH IS WHAT SHE'S RECOMMENDING.
DO I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM BOARD MEMBERS? SO WHAT WAS IT LAST YEAR? LAST YEAR IT WAS HIGHER.
WAS IT? THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE, BUT IT BASICALLY COMES FROM A FORMULA, RIGHT? WELL, IT COMES FROM A FORMULA BECAUSE THE AMOUNT THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE STATE IS SET.
AND VACO AND VML HAVE LOBBIED OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS THAT THEY NEED TO, THE STATE HAD SAID IT WAS GOING TO ELIMINATE THIS AND IT WAS GONNA REPLACE THE REVENUE AND THEN THEY SET IT AT 70% AND NOW IT'S DOWN TO 25% AND IT KEEPS DROPPING AND THE STATE NEEDS TO PUT MORE MONEY IN THERE.
SO WHEN YOU AND OUR 44,000,500 STAYS THE SAME.
SO IN PART OF, UH, LOOKING AT THE SUGGESTED MOTION IS, UH, THAT THIS IS ANTICIPATED TO EXHAUST THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RELIEF FUNDS.
SO DOES THAT, IS THAT INDICATING THAT NEXT YEAR THERE WILL BE NO PERCENTAGE, THERE'LL BE A NEW FOUR, $4.5 MILLION ALLOCATED TO WARREN COUNTY BY THE STATE AND SHE WILL DO A NEW CALCULATION.
WHAT THIS MEANS IN, IN THE RESOLUTION THAT YOU'RE ASKED TO ADOPT IS THAT THIS 40, THIS, THIS AMOUNT WILL CAPTURE THE 4.5 MILLION FOR THIS YEAR'S BUDGET.
AND THEN NEXT YEAR THE STATE WILL ALLOCATE ANOTHER 4.5 MILLION.
BECAUSE I HAD KNOW, I HAD HEARD THAT THEY WERE CONSIDERING NOT GIVEN THE STATES ANYTHING, ANY, I MEAN THE LOCALITIES, ANYTHING ANYMORE OUT OF THAT.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS WHAT THIS WAS SAYING.
THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS SAYING, BUT THAT'S ALWAYS THE, THE NO LOCAL BUDGET IS SAFE WHEN THE LEGISLATURE IS IN SESSION.
DO I HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? IS IS THERE A REASON SHE'S NOT HERE TONIGHT TO TAKE QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS? NO.
SHE WAS HERE LAST WEEK AND JUST WASN'T EXPECTING ANY OF THE EVENING, SIR.
SO NO, NOTHING HAS CHANGED SINCE THEN.
AND I, I DO REMEMBER, REMEMBER THIS NUMBER WAS PRESENTED TO US LAST WEEK, SO, OKAY.
SO THE, UH, SO THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR, FOR THIS ISSUE IS NOW OPEN? NO HEARING THIS ONE, SIR.
NO, NO PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ONE.
SO THE, UH, SO IF THERE'S NO, UH, NO DISCUSSION THEN, UH, HOW ABOUT, UM, UH, HOW ABOUT A, UH, A MOTION I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE AND ADOPT THE ATTACHED RESOLUTION TO SET A PERCENTAGE OF TAX RELIEF FOR THE 2025 TAX SHARE AT A LEVEL THAT IS ANTICIPATED TO EXHAUST PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RELIEF FUNDS PROVIDED TO THE WARREN COUNTY BY THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA AS AUTHORIZED BY THE COUNTY CODE SECTION 16 1 60 DASH ONE OH NINE.
WE WILL NOW COMMISSIONER WILL HAVE EVERYTHING TO BEGIN WORKING ON THE BILLS.
AND THEY WILL GO TO THE TREASURER IN ABOUT 10 DAYS AND THEN TO THE PRINTER IN ABOUT 10 20 DAYS FROM NOW.
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OKAY.SO CAN WE ROLL RIGHT INTO OUR WORK SESSION, SIR? OR DO WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL OH, ALRIGHT, GOOD.
[C. Discussion - Sanitary District Updates on Road Projects - Mike Berry ]
THING IS THE DISCUSSION FOR THE SANITARY DISTRICT, UPDATES ON ROAD PROJECTS.AND, UH, FRONT AND CENTER IS MR. BARRY.
SO YOU'RE OFF OF SIT DOWN, STAND UP, YOU'RE CALL IF I STAND UP, THAT MEANS I THINK IT'S QUICK.
UM, UM, THANK YOU, UH, MR. CHAIR AND, UH, BOARD.
I'M GONNA PRIMARILY TALK ABOUT, UH, UE FARMS, SANAIR DISTRICTS THIS EVENING AND WASN'T A WHOLE LOT IN YOUR AGENDA PACKAGE, BUT YOU SHOULD HAVE HAD, UM, ONE LETTER FROM RACING ENGINEERING.
EVERYBODY GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THAT.
UM, WE HAD A MEETING ON, UM, MARCH 13TH WITH THE SHENDO FARM SAN DISTRICT ADVISORY BOARD.
AND ONE OF THEIR FIRST TASKS HAS BEEN TO, UH, TAKE A LOOK AT ROADS, WHAT WE'RE DOING IN ROAD PROJECTS, UM, REVIEW THE, UH, CURRENT INFRASTRUCTURE WHERE HOUSES ARE BEING BUILT AND, UM, COME UP WITH A PLAN.
AND, UM, PART OF THAT PLAN IS WHAT, WELL, THEY ASKED ME TO LOOK AT THIS.
UM, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, BEEN DISCUSSION ON SEVERAL OF OUR REVENUE SHARING PROJECTS AS WE GOT TO CONSTRUCTABILITY AND THE COMMENTS FROM VDOT.
AND, UM, AS YOU'RE AWARE, A LOT OF THESE, UM, WERE STARTED OR APPLIED FOR BACK IN LIKE 2017.
UM, AND, AND THEIR INFLATION AND, AND CHANGES IN THE VDOT PROGRAM ITSELF, UM, HAS LED TO A LOT OF CHANGE WITHIN THE PROJECT PROJECTS.
UM, THE, THE PRIMARY THING I WANTED TO GET TO TODAY IS AT OUR MEETING AND, AND MR. STAN MEYER IS A, A PART OF THAT COMMITTEE.
UM, HE SITS ON THE ADVISORY BOARD.
UM, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE, THE PRIORITIES THAT THEY HAVE OR THEIR, THEIR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY, UM, IS, IS LAKE DRIVE, WHICH IS CURRENTLY A REVENUE SHARING ROAD EDITION PROJECT, BUT IT IS, UM, AS YOU'VE SEEN IN YOUR LETTER, THERE ARE A LOT OF PROJECT CONSTRAINTS AND CONSTRUCTION BUDGET IMPACTS.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE LETTER FROM RACY, BUT, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THE ADVISORY BOARD WANTED ME TO DO WAS TO, TO REACH OUT TO A CONSULTANT AND GET THEM TO GIVE A REAL CONSTRUCTION ESTIMATE ON WHAT THEY FORESAW, UM, AND CHANGE IN THE PRICE, UH, BASED ON THE CONSTRUCTABILITY COMMENTS THAT WE GOT BACK FROM VDOT.
SO IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT, AT THE DOLLARS IN REGARDS TO THE RETAINING WALLS AND THE, UH, ADDITIONAL GEOTECH, ADDITIONAL RIP WRAP, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, MORE THAN OUR CURRENT VDOT APPROVED BUDGET, WHICH IS $475,000.
WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, POTENTIALLY A MILLION PLUS, UM, PROJECT.
AND, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE, HAVE YOU EVER RODE THAT ROAD? BUT IT'S, UM, IT IS APPROXIMATELY 0.3 OR, OR THREE TENTHS OF A MILE, UM, LEFT.
WE'VE ALREADY DONE THE INTERNAL PROJECT PORTION OF IT THAT WE PLAN TO DO IN CONJUNCTION.
SO WE ALREADY HAVE ASPHALT ABOVE IT.
UM, SO THE, THE ADVISORY BOARD HAS RECOMMENDED, UM, THAT WE CANCEL THE VDOT PROJECT AND, UM, THEY ALSO ASKED ME, WHICH I HAD ALREADY RECEIVED ESTIMATES ON DOING IT INTERNALLY.
UM, SO THAT IS THEIR NUMBER ONE PROJECT FOR CON THIS CONSTRUCTION SEASON.
UM, BUT, BUT THE, UM, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WOULD, UM, NEED TO, SIMILAR TO OLD OAK FIVE, UH, UM, AGREE TO ALLOW THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO, UH, KILL THAT VDOT PROJECT AND, AND THEN WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD, UM, AS AN INTERNAL PROJECT.
AND MY ESTIMATES, UM, WE'VE DONE A LOT OF THE, UH, PIPE WORK OURSELVES TO, TO JUST TO, TO BRING IT UP TO UH, UH, UH, ASPHALT STANDARD, UM, SIMILAR TO THE, THE SITE WE DID INTERNAL.
UM, I'VE, I'VE ESTIMATED IT, YOU KNOW, USING AS MUCH OF OUR OWN FORCES AS POSSIBLE ABOUT $160,000 INTERNALLY, UM, TO DO THAT PROJECT.
SO THAT'S THE, THE BIG, THE NUMBER ONE ITEM I WANTED TO BRING BEFORE YOU AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT TONIGHT.
UM, IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, NOT CONTINUING ON WITH, WITH VDOT, UM, AND, AND WHAT, YOU KNOW, ANY, ANY QUESTIONS IN REGARD TO THE PROJECT.
SO, SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THE REASON WHY YOU DON'T WANT TO CONTINUE IS THAT, THAT, UH, IT'S GONNA COST MORE TO GO THROUGH THE STATE THAN IT IS FOR US JUST TO HANDLE IT INTERNALLY, RIGHT? WELL, WHY IS THAT? WELL, NUMBER ONE, VDOT IS GOING TO REQUIRE, UM, A A LOT MORE ON THE PLANNING SIDE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE ALREADY STARTED WITH PLANS AND AS YOU LOOK AT IT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PURCHASE ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF AWAY.
SO BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRAINTS WHERE WE'RE GONNA NEED RETAINING WALLS, WE'RE, WE'RE ALSO GONNA HAVE TO PURCHASE SOME ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF AWAY IN THE PROJECT.
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WALLS, IF YOU LOOK, IT'S $200 A SQUARE FOOT ENGINEERING ESTIMATE.SO HIS ESTIMATE BASED ON THE LOOK AT THE PROJECT WITH PARTIAL PLANS IS 288,000 TO 385,000 FOR RETAINING WALLS.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU INCUR ANY ROCK IN THAT ADDITIONAL AREA THAT COULD INFLATE THAT EVEN MORE.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF UNKNOWN THERE.
UM, AGAIN, GEOTECH, UM, YOU KNOW, HE ESTIMATED 50 TO 75,000 ADDITIONAL AND GEOTECH REQUIREMENTS.
SO, SO IF YOU, SO IF I'M READING BETWEEN THE LINES ON THIS, I'M KIND OF UNDERSTANDING THAT, UH, IF WE GO WITH THE STATE, THEY'RE GONNA REQUIRE A BUNCH OF BELLS AND WHISTLES THAT YOU TAKE A LOOK AT AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE CAN DO IT WITHOUT THESE AND IT'S NOT GONNA COST US THAT EXTRA MONEY.
AND, AND THEY FEEL THAT, UM, THE ADVISORY BOARD FEELS THAT, UM, THERE, THERE ARE OTHER ROADS THAT HAVE, UH, IMPACT, UM, AND KIND OF GETTING A LITTLE HIT OF MYSELF, BUT WHAT THEIR, WHAT THEIR OFFICIAL MOTION WAS TO, UH, REQUEST OF THE BOARD TO CANCEL THIS PROJECT AND THE REQUEST $500,000 AND FOR INTERNAL PROJECTS, UM, TO DO LAKE DRIVE FIRST AND THEN, UM, THE HIGH TOP AREA, UM, HIGH TOP ROAD DOWN THE CROSSWAY AND PULL POPLAR DOWN TO MCDONALD'S FARM.
AND, AND THEN THEY ALSO, WE HAD SOME INTERNAL REPAIRS, MAINTENANCE REPAIRS, UM, PRIMARILY VENUS BRANCH AND DRUMMER HILL.
AND, UM, AND, AND, AND I WAS ESTIMATING AND, AND WE HAD SOME OTHERS, THE ADVISORY BOARD HAD ASKED US TO DO SOME CLEANUP AROUND THOMPSON MILL.
UM, I HAD RECOMMENDED TO REPLACE THAT STRUCTURE, BUT THEY DIDN'T FEEL THAT THAT WAS THE TOP PRIORITY AT THIS TIME.
UM, AND ENGINEERING ESTIMATES WERE HALF A MILLION TO A MILLION DOLLARS ON ONE STRUCTURE.
SO THEY'RE LOOKING AT, UM, THE MOST IMPROVEMENT WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THERE? GOOD QUESTION I'M TRYING TO VISUALIZE IS, IS LAKE DRIVE THE, UM, THE ROAD? IT'S KIND OF A STEEP UPHILL GRAVE.
AND THEN YOU GET TO THE TOP AND I THINK YOU CAN VEER OFF WHOOPS.
TO THE RIGHT TO GO TO DONNA'S COURT.
AND YOU'LL START UP AND, AND YOU'LL SEE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE BEEN UP THERE, WE ALREADY HAVE A PIECE OF ASPHALT RIGHT AT THE, ONCE YOU COME, THE DIRT AT THE TOP LEVELS OUT.
YEAH, I'VE, I'VE GOT THE RIGHT AREA AND I, AND I HAVE A, A KIND OF APPROXIMATE WITH THE, UH, NUMBERS I, I JUST KICKED OUT IF YOU LIKE IT.
UM, IF YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE A COPY, UM, THEY LIKE PICTURES AND IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, UM, THE ONES UP AT HIGH TOP AND MCDONALD'S MILL, THOSE ARE FAIRLY STEEP ROADS AS WELL, AREN'T THEY? THE GRADE OF THEM? YEAH.
IN HIGH TOP THERE HAVE BEEN PEOPLE ASKING FOR HIGH TOP FOR YEARS.
IT'S GOOD THAT, SO SOME ATTENTION GETS PUT OUT THERE, RIGHT? YEP.
UM, MIKE, CAN YOU JUST, UH, I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS, BUT JUST FOR EVERYONE'S SAKE, THE, THE 500 THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR THAT'S COMING FROM THE SANITARY DISTRICT FUNDS? YEAH.
UM, I WAS OUT TODAY AND I DID GET SOME NUMBERS FROM FINANCE.
I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW 'EM, I BELIEVE WE'RE ROUGHLY ABOUT 3 MILLION, UM, WITHOUT HAVING TIME TO REALLY DIG DEEP IN THERE, UM, IN THEIR FUND BALANCE.
UM, AND THAT'S VERY APPROXIMATE.
UM, AND SO THAT FUND BALANCE WOULD BE, AND I, AND I NEED TO MEET, YOU KNOW, WITH THE FINANCE DIRECTOR, BUT WE WOULD TAKE THAT MONEY AND USE IT FOR THEIR, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE ADVISORY BOARD HAS SUGGESTED, UM, THE BOARD'S APPROVAL, UM, IN, IN REGARD TO KILLING THE, THE LAKE DRIVE PROJECT.
AND, AND BASICALLY YOU'RE PASSING THE MONEY ON TO, UM, SEVERAL OTHER SECTIONS OF ROAD YOU'D BE COMPLETING LAKE DRIVE AND THEN THE HIGH TOP AREA.
AND I, I WAS TRYING TO LISTEN TO HANDOUT, BUT WHEN YOU GO UP TOP FREEZING AND YOU COME DOWN HIGH TOP, THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF ASPHALT THERE NOW, AND IT'S A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION THERE.
IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY HEAVY IMPACT.
UM, WE'VE HAD A LOT, PROBABLY MORE COMMENTS AND CONCERNS, UM, ON, ON THAT SECTION OF ROAD.
AND THIS TOOL POPLAR, WE DON'T GET A NEAR AS MANY COMPLAINTS AS WHEN I STARTED, UM, WITH THE COUNTY.
BUT THOSE ARE PROBABLY, UM, SOME OF THE HEAVIEST IMPACTED ROADS THAT ARE, THAT AS FAR AS, UM, NUMBER OF CARS AND, AND, UM, HOUSES BEING BUILT AS WELL.
SO I I, I AGREE WITH THE ADVISORY BOARD WITH, UM, THEIR ASSESSMENT AND THEIR PRIORITY AND, AND, AND VERY MUCH IN THE SAME PRIORITY AS THAT WE FELT INTERNALLY THAT THEY SHOULD BE ADDRESSED
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ON YOUR VENUS BRANCH IN DRUMMER HILL MM-HMMREPAIR, WHAT KIND OF REPAIRS ARE YOU TALKING? WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, PATCHING WITH ASPHALT, BUT THIS WOULD ALSO INCLUDE SOME OTHER, OTHER AREAS TO, UM, THE ADVISORY BOARD ASKED US TO CLEAN UP AROUND THAT, UH, THOMPSON MILL, UM, AREA, SOME STRUCTURE.
UM, I TALKED TO OUR WETLANDS REP ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WORK WE COULD DO THERE OURSELVES, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT GETTING INTO ANY KIND OF, UH, PERMITTING NEEDS, UM, WHAT, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE THERE, THERE ARE RULES LAID OUT ONCE YOU START MESSING WITH THOSE STRUCTURES.
UM, SO IT WOULD INCLUDE THAT AREA.
AND THEN ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER PATCHING THAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO.
UM, WE HAVE, I I THINK INTERNALLY WE, WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD MAINTENANCE BUDGET.
UM, THE BOARD APPROVED, I GUESS WE, IT WAS IN, UH, THE JUNE SESSION LAST YEAR.
WE APPROVED, UH, TO DO THE OLD OAK FIVE INTERNAL, AND I HAVEN'T YET, UM, MOVED ALL THAT FUNDING.
AND I, I JUST SPOKE TO THE FINANCE DIRECTOR ABOUT THAT, BUT I NEED, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE WE'RE COVERED WITH ALL OF THE REPAIRS.
THEY, THEY WERE CONCERNED THERE'S SOME POT HOLES THERE.
UM, I THINK THAT IN WITHIN THE NEXT, I MEAN, IT'S BEEN, THAT WAS JUST A CHIPS SEAL JOB AND, AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SOME MAJOR POTHOLES FOR HIM AND IN SECTIONS OF THAT ROAD ALREADY, UM, I WOULD, I, AND SPEAKING WITH THE ADVISORY BOARD, WHAT I TOLD 'EM LIKE TO DO IS, IS ACTUALLY DO AS ASPHALT PATCHING AND LEVELING, ESPECIALLY IN THOSE SECTIONS.
AND REALLY, DEPENDING ON WHERE WE FINISH WITH THEIR PRIORITIES AND, AND THE CONSTRUCTION THAT THEY'VE REQUESTED, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US CHIP SEAL, IF WE CAN'T DO IT THIS FISCAL YEAR IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, OR POTENTIALLY PUT AN INCH AND A HALF OF THE ASPHALT ALL THE WAY UP, THAT THREE MILES I THINK WOULD BE THE BEST, THE BEST THING TO DO EVENTUALLY.
WHY DO THEY CALL IT CHIP SEAL? WELL, IT'S, IT'S LIKE TOWER AND CHIP RATHER THAN PLANT MIX ASPHALT.
SO YOU KNOW, YOUR LAYER OF STONE, YOU KNOW, A LAYER OF TAR, YOU KNOW, SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT ACTUALLY ASPHALT.
SO WHEN YOU'RE BUILDING THE VDOT ROAD, YOU'RE USUALLY, THEY HAVE A SPEC.
IT'S YOU, YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE SEVERAL INCHES OF A INTERMEDIATE ASPHALT, AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE YOUR FINISH MIX ON TOP.
UM, SO YOU, YOU BUILD THE ROAD DIFFERENTLY.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE SOME IN THE COUNTY, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OUR SIX YEAR PLAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING THOSE AS RURAL RUSTIC, AND, YOU KNOW, AND TYPICALLY THEY'RE DOING A CHIP SEAL.
NOW, WHEN WE BRING A ROAD INTO THE STATE SYSTEM, THEY REQUIRE US, WELL, STANTON DISTRICT DOES NOT WANT US TO BRING ANY CHIP SILL ROADS INTO THE STATE SYSTEM.
SO WHEN WE BUILD ONE, TURN IT OVER, THEY WANT ASPHALT.
THEY WANT IT BUILT OUT TO, UM, BASICALLY A NEW SUBDIVISION STANDARD IF YOU ARE GONNA BUILD A NEW SUBDIVISION IN TOWN.
SO, SO THEN, SO THEN IF WE, IF WE PUT A TAR IN CHIP MM-HMM
AND THEN WE SAY, VDOT, WE WANT YOU TO TAKE, TAKE THIS, THEN WE'VE GOT TO DO MORE WORK WITH IT TO GET IT UP TO THEIR STANDARD BEFORE THEY WILL ACCEPT IT.
UNLESS YOU KNOWS SOMEBODY THAT I DON'T, YES, SIR,
BUT, BUT ALSO ALL THOSE RETAINING WALLS AND THINGS WOULD NEED TO HAPPEN.
SO, YEAH, I THINK WHEN, WHEN WE DID OLD OAK FIVE, WE FIGURED WE COULD REDO IT FIVE TIMES OVER BEFORE WE'D EVEN HIT BREAKEVEN.
SO THE ORIGINAL ESTIMATE, I MEAN, YOU WERE LOOKING AT, I MEAN, AND WE'RE TALKING, GOING BACK IN WHEN IT WAS APPLIED FOR INITIALLY PRE-APPLICATION LIKE 17 AND, AND WE WERE LOOKING AT, I THINK IT WAS 1.2 MILLION AT THAT POINT.
AND THEN WHEN WE, WHEN WE ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND THAT'S, BDOS KIND OF CHANGED THEIR WHOLE, THEY HAVE A WHOLE TEAM DEDICATED NOW.
IT USED TO BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
I THINK IT WAS A LITTLE MORE PERSONAL, A LITTLE MORE HANDS-ON.
I CAN WALK WITH MR. BUTLER AND TALK TO HIM AND SHOW HIM WHAT I WANT TO DO AND GET HIS BLESSING.
BUT WE HAVE A, IT'S A DIFFERENT PROGRAM NOW.
SO THAT 1.2, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS ONE, IF YOU'VE RODE THE ROAD TO HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT THE STATE DESIRES, WE DID NOT.
AND THEN WE HIT, WHICH WHEN IT'S, WHEN IT'S DRY, IT LOOKS LIKE JUST A GIANT DITCH.
WHEN IT'S WET, YOU GOT WATER RUNNING IN THE ROAD UP THERE, SO YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF RIGHT OF WAY.
AND WE WERE, WE WERE GOING UP TO LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY LIKE THREE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS BASED ON THE CUT AND THE RETAINING WALL THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY THERE AND THE CHANGES.
SO IT WAS GOING TO A, WELL, WE WERE GONNA GET TO A PLACE WHERE WE WOULDN'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO REALLY, UM, COMPLETE ANYTHING ELSE.
SO THE, THE, THE ADVISORY BOARD AND, AND THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, KNOW, I MEAN, THERE WASN'T A LOT OF PUSHBACK.
I MEAN, UM, THERE WAS A FEW FOLKS THAT SAID, HEY, WE WANT IT TO BE THE VDOT BECAUSE IF THE GOOD THING, IF IT'S VDOT, THEY TAKE CARE OF IT FOREVER.
BUT YOU GOTTA, HOW MANY YEARS IS IT GONNA TAKE YOU TO PAY FOR THREE AND A HALF, $4 MILLION ROAD? AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE WOULD NEVER GET TO THE TOP.
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RAISE THE SANITARY DISTRICT RATES, OR, OR TRY TO SET ASIDE FUNDS AND CUT SOMEWHERE ELSE TO GET THERE.I, I GUESS THE WAY THAT I LOOK AT IT, AND MAYBE THE, MAYBE THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS DON'T, DON'T FEEL THIS WAY, IS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN YOU HAVE THE COUNTY THAT TAKES OVER A ROAD OR THE COUNTY THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, UH, TARRING AND THEN CHIPPING A ROAD THAT'S GONNA BE MAINLY FOR, FOR LOCAL USE, AND FOLKS KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHO LIVE IN THE AREA, THEY KNOW THAT WHEN THEY COME AROUND THAT CORNER, THEY GOTTA GO SLOW BECAUSE THERE'S A, THERE'S A DITCH OVER HERE AND THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE YOU CAN SEE THE, THE TREE ROOTS COMING OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE GROUND OVER HERE.
AND, UH, WHERE, WHERE YOU'D WANT THE STATE TO COME IN IS WHERE YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING FROM OUTSIDE OF THAT AREA ON A REGULAR BASIS, BECAUSE NOW THEY'RE, NOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS THEY'RE PUTTING IT UP TO STANDARDS SO THAT, THAT, UH, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A LOCAL RESIDENT IN ORDER TO KNOW WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE THE, THE DANGERS THAT YOU'RE GONNA RUN INTO, RIGHT? WHAT ARE THE, WHAT ARE THE, UH, UH, AND SO THEY, THEY BRING IT UP TO THOSE STANDARDS SO THAT IT'S, IT'S, UH, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY, UH, A LITTLE BIT MORE HOSPITABLE.
AM I CORRECT ON THAT? I THINK SO.
AND, AND I, AND I, HONESTLY, I'VE, I'M, I WASN'T THE START ON ANY OF THE, THE REVENUE SHARING PROJECTS AND THE WAY THAT THE SYSTEM CHANGED, GOING THROUGH SOME OF THE, THE VDOT MEETINGS.
I'VE, I'VE HEARD A LOT OF COMMENTS FROM OTHER LOCALITIES, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO USE THE DOLLARS AND, AND, AND IT, AND TO ME IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
'CAUSE UNTIL, UNTIL YOU'RE APPROVED, YOU CAN'T SPEND ANY MONEY AND YOU'RE ON THEIR TIMELINE.
BUT I, I WOULD NEVER WANNA DO ANOTHER PROJECT WITHOUT STARTING WITH REAL PLANS, OR AT LEAST STARTING, YOU KNOW, ENGINEER, LET'S LAY IT DOWN.
I WOULD RATHER SPEND FIVE OR $10,000 UPFRONT THAN, THAN START ALL THIS WORK AND, AND GO THROUGH ALL THESE MOTIONS AND THEN HAVE TO BACK UP LATER.
AND SOME OF, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, LIKE WITH LAKE DRIVE, YOU KNOW, I PERSONALLY MET ON SITE WITH VDOT, AND JUST ONE EXAMPLE IS THE MAILBOXES.
UM, MY PREVIOUS DEPUTY ASKED ABOUT IT, HEY, LET'S MEET, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THAT WASN'T THE, THE FINAL SAY, BUT THE FOLKS SAID, IT LOOKS GOOD.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T SEE ANY ISSUE WITH THOSE MAILBOXES, BUT I CAN TELL YOU AS SOON AS THE PLANS GOT TO, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE HOLLYWOOD SQUARES AND THE CONSTRUCTABILITY COMMENTS, I WAS LIKE, THERE'S THE MAILBOXES THAT WEREN'T A PROBLEM.
AND, AND THAT, AND, AND WE, WE, WE MET VDOT ROADWAY WHERE WE WERE HAVING ISSUES WITH THE ROAD WASHING.
WE'VE ALREADY PUT ASPHALT THERE TO VDOT SPEC, BUT THEY WANNA CHANGE THAT TOO.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO CUT THAT OUT AND REDO IT AGAIN.
AND SO, A LOT OF THINGS, AND I, AND I MEAN, I'M NOT POINTING A FINGER, BUT I CAN TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN A LEARNING LESSON.
UM, AND, AND THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS THAT I THINK ARE GOOD, AND THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE NOT GOOD.
UM, IF YOU GET IT, A SIMPLE PROJECT.
WE HAVE ONE LEFT ON YOUR LIST THERE.
UM, YOUNG'S DRIVE, I, IT DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF ELEVATION.
IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY MAJOR STRUCTURES.
I MEAN, WE, WE, WE'VE BEEN APPROVED FOR IT.
I MEAN, WE'VE KIND OF PUSHED IT OFF BECAUSE IT WASN'T AS HIGH PRIORITY ROAD.
UM, AT THIS POINT, THE ADVISORY BOARD SAID, LET'S LEAVE IT THERE.
LET'S, LET'S SUBMIT THE PLANS, LET'S CONTINUE ON.
UM, MOST RECENTLY, YOU KNOW, VDOT HAS ASKED, AND I HAD A, I GOT A NOTE HERE SOMEWHERE, YOU KNOW, JUST REVIEWING THE, THE, THE PLANS, THEY, THEY WANT MORE CBRS, YOU KNOW, TO EVALUATE THE STRENGTH AND THE LOAD MARING.
AND WE'VE ALREADY HAD CBRS ON THAT ROAD, YOU KNOW, SO, YOU KNOW, THOSE TESTS AND, AND THOSE ENGINEERS, I MEAN, IT STARTS, ALL THOSE THINGS START TO ADD UP.
SO THEN YOU HAVE TO EVALUATE IT.
IS IT WORTH, IS IT WORTH IT? WHAT, WHEN, WHEN WILL IT REALLY PAY FOR ITSELF? HOW MANY FOLKS ARE USING THAT ROAD MM-HMM
AND, AND HOW IT IMPACTS THE WHOLE COMMUNITY.
SO, UM, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT, FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN, THAT ONE HAS HAD VERY FEW VDOT COMMENTS.
UM, IT'S HONESTLY, IT'S PROBABLY BEEN THE, THE LOWEST HANGING FRUIT OF ALL THE PROJECTS.
AND, BUT IT'S IN THE LOW LAND, IT'S NOT UP HIGH.
UM, IT'S, IT'S DOWN CLOSER TO THE STORE AT THE BOTTOM, YOU KNOW.
BUT ON THE OTHER END, I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M IN, I'M THOUGHT I WAS IN THE HOME STRETCH WITH OLD OAK FOUR, AND I'M STILL PLAYING PAPER CHASE.
I MEAN, VDOT SENT, WELL, I THINK WE JUST GOT ALMOST $500,000 ON THE LAST SUBMISSION, UM, ON THE PROJECT.
WE'VE MET ALL OF THEIR REQUIREMENTS ON OUR JOURNALS AND OUR MATERIALS.
BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A ISSUE WITH, UH, EASEMENT WITH THE GAS COMPANY THAT I'M NOW PLAYING BACKWARDS.
AND I'M LIKE, WELL, WHY WOULD YOU GIMME ALL THIS MONEY IF NOW YOU'RE THROWING ME MORE WORK TO DO, YOU KNOW, DOWN THE LINE.
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HAVE THAT, THEY ALREADY STARTED PLOWING IT FOR ME, BUT UNTIL I HAVE THAT, THEY'RE NOT GONNA OFFICIALLY SAY IT'S MINE.SO I'M STILL DEALING WITH THAT.
SO THOSE THINGS, AGAIN, I FEEL THAT IN THE FUTURE, I WOULD RECOMMEND SPENDING MONEY UP FRONT OR THE COMMUNITY SPENDING MONEY UP FRONT BEFORE WE EVEN GO TO PRE-AP.
YOU KNOW, HEY, LET'S, LET'S GET THIS, LET'S GET SOMEONE OUT HERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A REQUIREMENT, LET'S HAVE SOME ENGINEERING DONE FIRST.
NO, I MEAN, I, I AGREE WITH THAT BECAUSE YOU, YOU NEED THAT EXPERTISE.
IF YOU'VE GOT PROPERTY, THE ROAD'S RUNNING IN A, A SWAMPY AREA, YOU NEED THE RIGHT BASE.
AND, AND TAR AND SHIP IS PROBABLY NOT GONNA HOLD UP AS WELL THERE AS PLANT MIXES.
UM, IT'LL SQUAT OUT AND IT'LL WASH OUT WITH THE, WITH THE WATER.
SO, UM, THEN YOU'VE GOT THE SAME THING ON A LOT OF THESE STEEP GRADES, RIGHT? WHEN YOU GET CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES OR HEAVY VEHICLES PULLING THEIR, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT RIGHT BASE, YOU'RE GONNA BE RE-FIXING THAT ROAD ALL THE TIME.
RIGHT? SO BASICALLY, I JUST WANTED TO COME AND LAY OUT WHAT THE ADVISORY BOARD HAS RECOMMENDED.
UM, I AGREE WITH WHAT THEY'VE SUGGESTED.
UM, YOU KNOW, I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE AND THEN LAY THIS OUT IN A FORMAL MOTION, UM, BOARD MEETING NEXT.
AND I'LL JUST ADD THAT I'VE, I'VE BEEN AT THESE ADVISORY BOARD MEETINGS, ALL OF THEM, AND THEY ARE BEING VERY THOUGHTFUL AND DELIBERATIVE IN HOW THEY DO THIS.
UH, REALLY TAKING, UM, A HOLISTIC APPROACH AND LOOKING AT THE ENTIRE ROAD SYSTEM IN THE SANITARY DISTRICT AND LOOKING, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING AT WHERE NEW HOUSING IS GOING IN, THEY'RE LOOKING AT WHEN'S THE LAST TIME ROADS WORK WE'RE TAKING CARE OF, OR, YOU KNOW, THE ONES THAT NEED REPAIR, WHEN WERE THEY LESS DEALT WITH? ARE THEY LOOKING AT, UH, INPUT FROM THE RESIDENTS? ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE ASKING FOR HIGH TOP, FOR EXAMPLE.
UM, SO ALL OF THAT HAS BEEN TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.
MAPPING IT OUT WITH GS GS TEAM HELPED US MAP OUT ALL THE NEW CONSTRUCTION.
UM, I THINK IT'S BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL, UM, WHILE I'M UP HERE ON BEHALF OF THE ADVISORY BOARD.
UM, ONE OTHER THING THAT I, YOU KNOW, I WAS GONNA MENTION THAT'S ROAD RELATED AND NOT MORE PERSONNEL IS, UM, THEY ALL, I HAD OR OUR TEAM HAD ASKED ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, CHANGING A POSITION TO ASSISTANT CREW, UM, FOREMAN, UM, WE HAVE FOUR MEN IN THE FARMS, AND IT'S, IT'S ABOUT $2,000 IN SALARY, WHICH WOULD COME OUT OF THEIR BUDGET.
AND, AND THEIR BOARD VOTED YAY, UM, UNANIMOUSLY IN FAVOR FOR SUCH.
UM, SO I BRING THAT UP BECAUSE, UM, I ALREADY BROUGHT THE HRS ATTENTION AND I'M GONNA CENTER THE MINUTES AND HOPEFULLY, UM, MAKE THAT CHANGE SOON AS WELL.
SO, SO IF ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR PROBLEMS OR, UM, I, THE ADVISORY BOARD IS, I, I'VE, SO FAR IS I THINK WE'VE HAD A REALLY GOOD FLOW AND THEY'VE DONE A GOOD JOB WORKING TOGETHER.
AND I JUST WANNA SAY, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GIVE ME CREDIT FOR THINGS GOING SMOOTHLY THIS YEAR AND IN LAST YEAR, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY ME.
IT'S, IT'S YOU, MIKE, AND IT'S, IT'S REX IN PARTICULAR ON THE ADVISORY BOARD, HAVE REALLY SET OFF IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
IT'S THE COOPERATION IS, IS UNPRECEDENTED AS FAR AS I KNOW.
THAT'S NOT WHAT HE'S BEEN TELLING ME,
SO IF THE BOARD IS IN AGREEMENT, WE'RE GONNA PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA FOR APPROVAL NEXT WEEK.
THIS IS THE WARREN COUNTY VERSION OF THE DRUG CZAR.
SO I HANDED YOU TWO DIFFERENT ITEMS IN ORDER TO ADDRESS TWO DIFFERENT ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
[D. Discussion: Distribution of Opioid Abatement Funds - Jane Meadows]
SO THE FIRST PAGE THAT I GAVE YOU IS A SPREADSHEET THAT BASICALLY GOES OVER, I SHOULDN'T CALL IT DRUG MONEY, BUT IT'S THE OPIOID ABATEMENT FUNDS THAT THE COUNTY RECEIVES.UM, WHETHER IT'S FROM THE DIRECT DISTRIBUTION GRANTS THAT WE SUBMIT TO THE STATE THROUGH THE OPIOID ABATEMENT AUTHORITY.
AND THEN WE'VE ALSO APPLIED TO BASICALLY OPERATE FOLLOWING THE GOLD STANDARD, WHICH MEANS WE GET AN ADDITIONAL 25%.
SO YOU'LL SEE THREE DIFFERENT COLUMNS OR THREE DIFFERENT COLORS.
AND THOSE ARE THE THREE DIFFERENT FUNDS.
THE PLANNING GRANT THAT WE DID FOCUS THE USE OF THE FUNDS ON SPECIFIC ITEMS. SO OUR FOCUS IS ON PREVENTION BASED OFF OF PROGRAMS
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THAT ARE ALREADY EXISTING IN THE COMMUNITY.AND WITH THE DIRECT DISTRIBUTION FUNDS, YOU'LL SEE BASICALLY YEAR BY YEAR WHAT WE'VE RECEIVED.
AND SO IN LOOKING AT THE APPLICATIONS AND THE REQUESTS THAT WE'RE GETTING FROM THE COMMUNITY, IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE CONSISTENT AND THAT WE ARE ABLE TO BASICALLY HAVE ALL OF OUR AUDIT DOCUMENTS, IT'S EASIER FOR US TO HANDLE IF WE ARE USING DIRECT DISTRIBUTION FUNDS FOR PROGRAMS RATHER THAN PERSONNEL.
UM, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE GIVING IT OUT TO AN OUTSIDE AGENCY.
UM, SO I'VE ALSO LISTED AT THE BOTTOM YOU'LL SEE BASICALLY DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS WHO ARE REQUESTING FUNDS.
UM, AND THEN THE INDIVIDUAL DISTRIBUTION FROM THE OAA, THAT IS BASICALLY WHERE ANYONE WHO'S REQUESTING FOR STAFF COVERAGE.
SO WE APPROVE THE, UM, GRANT FOR THE STUDENT UNION, UM, THAT IS COMING OUT OF THAT FUND.
SO THAT APPLICATION GOES TO THE STATE, WE ESTABLISH A MOU.
SO ANYTIME SOMEONE WANTS TO HAVE STAFF SUPPORT, WE WOULD PULL FUNDS FROM THAT.
SO WE HAVE BASICALLY THE STATE SAYING YAY OR NAY.
UM, AND THEN THE GOLD STANDARD THAT WE'RE USING, BASICALLY UTILIZING THE SAME CONCEPT OF IT NEEDS TO BE SPECIFIC TO A PROGRAM.
SO YOU'LL SEE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS WHEN YOUR AGENDAS THAT WE'RE GONNA REQUEST FOR FUNDING FOR THE SUMMER CAMP FOR YOUTH THROUGH PARKS AND RECREATION FUNDING FOR WARREN COALITION.
AND THEN WE ALSO LOOKED AT TWO OF THE, UM, NON DEPAR, OR I GUESS NONPROFIT REQUESTS TO THE BOARD FOR FUNDING FROM FOUR H, AND THEN ALSO WARREN COALITION TO SEE IF WE WOULD BE ABLE TO FUND THOSE THROUGH OPIOID ABATEMENT RATHER THAN THE GENERAL FUND.
SO WE'RE SHIFTING THE FUNDING REQUEST OUT OF THE BUDGET, UM, AND SHIFTING IT TO THAT FUND.
SO THIS IS BASICALLY JUST A SUMMARY, SO YOU SEE KIND OF WHERE THE MONEY IS ALLOCATED.
NOT ALL OF IT'S BEEN APPROVED YET.
ANY QUESTIONS ON WHERE WE'RE SPENDING THE DRUG MONEY? YEAH, IF YOU CAN, IF WE CAN GO DOWN TO THE PROJECT REQUEST.
SO WE HAVE THE STUDENT UNION, SO MM-HMM
WHO, WHO ARE THE STUDENT UNION? RON REACHING OUT NOW.
UM, THAT IS PARKS AND RECREATION.
PROJECT HOPE, WARREN WARREN COALITION.
THEN STUDENT UNION SUMMER CAMP COALITION.
WHAT ABOUT HALO? SO THEY'RE, IT'S ANOTHER PROGRAM THROUGH THE COALITION.
SO THEY HAVE TWO DIFFERENT PROGRAMS. IT IS THE, UM, DOLLY PARTON EARLY CHILDHOOD READING PROGRAM.
AND THEN I KNOW WHO FOUR H MM-HMM
SO THERE'S A POSSIBILITY FOR WARREN COALITION TO REDUCE THEIR BUDGET REQUESTS BASED ON WE'VE ALREADY REMOVED IT FROM THE BUDGET.
FOR BOTH WARREN COALITION AND FOUR H.
AND THE ADVANTAGE THANK YOU ON FROM THEIR SIDE IS THE FACT THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY GETTING MORE OF THEIR REQUESTS.
THAN THEY WOULD IF THEY WERE IN THE GENERAL FUND.
IF THEY WERE IN THE GENERAL FUND.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S PERFECT.
SO HOW LONG DOES THIS, UM, THESE FUNDS GO? IS IT EVERY YEAR WE COME BACK AND WE REAPPLY FOR IT? MM-HMM
UM, THAT'S WHY A LOT OF THE OPIOID FOCUS IS HOW ARE YOU GONNA SUSTAIN IT? THAT'S WHY WE DON'T REALLY WANNA STAFF A PERSON.
'CAUSE WE KNOW IT'S NOT GONNA BE, IT'S, IT'S NOT GONNA BE THERE FOREVER.
BUT THESE ARE FOR SERVICES PROGRAMS, WHICH IS, IS GREAT.
SO THEY'LL BE ABLE TO PICK UP THE, THE EMPLOYMENT PART OF IT.
SO, SO IS IT EVERY YEAR THAT THE COUNTY WILL GO THROUGH THIS MM-HMM
THERE ARE THREE DIFFERENT CYCLES THAT WE CAN APPLY WITH OPIOID ABATEMENT AUTHORITY.
AND THEY'VE BEEN ADDING IN ADDITIONAL CYCLES.
IF THEY'RE NOT SPENDING ENOUGH MONEY, THEY'VE IMPLEMENTED SOME ADDITIONAL CONSTRAINTS.
IT USED TO BE HERE'S YOUR MONEY, APPLY WHEN YOU WANT IT.
AND NOW IF YOU DON'T APPLY WITHIN A CERTAIN TIMEFRAME, THEY THEN ALLOCATED TO OTHER LOCALITIES.
SO WE'RE LIKE, WAIT A MINUTE, WE WANNA SPEND OUR MONEY.
SO WE'VE BEEN GOING AFTER THAT IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT WARREN COUNTY FUNDS AREN'T ALLOCATED TO ANOTHER LOCALITY.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE FILED FOR AN, ANOTHER GRANT IN PARTNERSHIP WITH CLARK COUNTY AND SHENANDOAH, AND I BELIEVE RAPPAHANNOCK AS WELL.
AND IT'S FOR SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR THE SCHOOLS.
UM, AND WITH THAT, CLARK IS THE FISCAL AGENT, SO THEY ARE HANDLING EVERYTHING FOR THAT.
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MS. MEADOWS, UM, KEEP ME HONEST, BUT I, I THOUGHT AT ONE POINT WE HAD DISCUSSED, UM, POTENTIALLY USING THE OPIOID SETTLEMENT FUNDS, UH, AS A FUNDING SOURCE TOWARD THE DRUG BOXES.UH, GIVEN THAT THEY HAVE THE, UM, THE OVERDOSE, UH, WE CANNOT, THAT WOULD BE, UM, PLANTING.
UM, SO WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL USES ARE FOR NEW PURPOSES.
THEY CAN'T BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BASICALLY OKAY.
BE SOMETHING THAT'S EXISTING IN OUR BUDGET.
UNFORTUNATELY, SOUNDED GOOD AT THE TOP.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, GREAT.
SO ELSE, ONE NOTE FOR YOU THAT THE, THE AMOUNT'S GONNA CHANGE EVERY YEAR AND THERE'LL BE FLEXIBILITIES, BUT RIGHT NOW THE ALLOCATIONS ACCORDING TO THESE NATIONAL SETTLEMENTS, GO OUT TO 2042.
SO WILL BE THE AMOUNT, AS I SAY, THE AMOUNTS ARE GONNA CHANGE AND THERE'LL BE NEW SETTLEMENTS OR NEW APPEALS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
AND BY, WE'RE ONLY GONNA SPEND IT EACH YEAR AS WE GET THE CASH.
AND HOPEFULLY BY 2042 OUR DEBT WILL BE PAID OFF.
THESE, UM, THESE PROGRAMS. GREAT.
UM, SO NOW ONTO TO THE GOALS UPDATES.
DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION? CAN I MAKE A, A QUICK STATEMENT TO SOMEONE BEFORE WE MOVE ON? ABSOLUTELY.
BECAUSE I NOTICED THAT THE ADVISORY BOARD HAS NOW, UH, JUST SEATED REPRESENTATIVES HERE FROM SHENANDOAH FARMS. I WANTED TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW REX AND CRAIG, THAT WE, WE GOT AHEAD OF SCHEDULE ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT AND WE JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO FINISHED UP YOUR SECTION, UH, WITH MR. BARRY.
AND I CAN BRIEF, I CAN BRIEF YOU AFTERWARDS OR CALL YOU TONIGHT, BUT YEAH.
BUT I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT THAT WOULD PARTICULARLY INTEREST YOU.
THESE ARE THE KIND OF MEETINGS I LIKE.
YOU CAN MAKE SOME OF THE PEOPLE HAPPY SOME OF THE TIME.
I WAS GONNA SAY THEY NOW OWE YOU A CUP OF COFFEE
[E. BOS Goals Progress Update - Jane Meadows]
I WANTED TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THE PROGRESS BEING MADE SINCE THE LAST QUARTERLY UPDATE ON OUR BOARD AGENDA, OR SORRY, OUR BOARD GOALS.SO FOR THE FIRE AND RESCUE STRATEGIC PLAN, THEY HAVE MET WITH THE VENDOR WHO'S DOING THE ASSESSMENT AND BASICALLY GOT A LIST OF ALL OF THE DATA THAT WAS REQUIRED.
UM, AND THE VENDOR IS IN THE PROCESS OF GOING THROUGH IT.
ONCE THEY HAVE SORTED THROUGH EVERYTHING AND DETERMINED WHAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THEY NEED, THEY'RE THEN GONNA REACH BACK OUT TO WHETHER IT'S FIRE ADMINISTRATION, LOCAL OFFICIALS, UM, THE VOLUNTEER COMPANIES IN ORDER TO MEET WITH THEM IN ORDER TO GET THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND THEN START THE NEXT STEPS IN THE PROCESS.
SO NOT MUCH OF AN UPDATE ON THE FIRE AND RESCUE GOAL, BUT UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, THEY HAVE RECEIVED THE SECOND SET OF TURNOUT GEAR AND ARE ACTIVELY IN THE PROCESS OF GIVING IT OUT TO ALL SHIFTS.
UM, WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO HAVE THAT.
AND THEN, UM, WITH THE WASHER AND DRYERS, I BELIEVE MR. OR CHIEF MIKO GAVE AN UPDATE AT THE LAC LAST WORK SESSION FOR THE MEGA WASHER AND DRYER.
UM, AND THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF PROCURING THOSE, UM, ONTO THE FIVE YEAR, UM, PUBLIC SAFETY, UM, NEEDS PLAN WITH THIS, THE ONLY I WANNA SAY PROGRESS OF NOTE IS ACTUALLY TIED TO PROBABLY TWO OTHER GOALS AS WELL.
AND IT HAS TO DO WITH OUR BENEFITS RENEWAL.
UM, WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF FEEDBACK ON SOME OF THE FACETS WITHIN OUR BENEFITS PLAN THAT PEOPLE WERE LOOKING FOR THAT WERE NOT COVERED.
UM, AND WE WERE ANTICIPATING A SIGNIFICANTLY HIGH INCREASE.
SO WE DID GO OUT TO BID THIS YEAR FOR BENEFITS.
UM, THE BID CAME BACK LAST WEEK.
UM, WE WERE ABLE TO GO THROUGH IT WITH OUR BROKER THIS WEEK AND ACTUALLY NEXT WEEK IT'LL BE ON YOUR AGENDA FOR APPROVAL.
UM, AND GOING BACK TO THE LOCAL CHOICE, WHICH WAS A PROVIDER WE WERE WITH UP UNTIL ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO, UM, WE'LL ACTUALLY HAVE A FLAT INCREASE, WHEREAS OUR CURRENT PROVIDER, IT WAS GONNA BE A 16% INCREASE.
UM, AND THAT WAS NEGOTIATED DOWN FROM A 27% INCREASE.
UM, SO WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT, UM, IN ORDER TO BASICALLY KEEP RATES FLAT AND NOT HAVE TO WHAT SPEND $360,000.
UM, SO THAT CAME OUT OF THE BUDGET.
SO WE'RE VERY HAPPY TO HAVE THAT.
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FLAT, BUT, BUT YOU WERE ABLE TO ASCERTAIN SOME ADDITIONAL BENEFITS THAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY WANTED AND IT DID SOMETHING ELSE COME OUT? YES.SO THERE IS, UH, IT'S CALLED THE WEIGHT RIDER.
SO BASICALLY ANY DRUGS THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED A WEIGHT LOSS DRUG OR MEDICATIONS OR SURGERY, NONE OF THAT WAS COVERED UNDER OUR CURRENT PLAN.
UM, SO SEVERAL OF OUR EMPLOYEES HAVE INQUIRED SPECIFICALLY THE GLP ONE MEDICATIONS THAT THEIR DOCTORS HAVE RECOMMENDED.
UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT COVERED, UM, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME OUT OF POCKET AND THE COST FOR THAT IS VERY SIGNIFICANT.
SO THAT IS AUTOMATICALLY INCLUDED IN THE LOCAL CHOICE.
DID SOMETHING ELSE, SOMETHING ELSE DROP OUT THAT PEOPLE WEREN'T USING? YES.
SO THERE'S A FEATURE CALLED BENEFIT ALLY.
SO IF I WERE TO GO TO THE DOCTOR BECAUSE TO, BECAUSE I HAD AN ACCIDENT OR SOMETHING UNEXPECTED.
SO IF I BROKE MY ARM BASED OFF OF THAT BREAK, OR IF I HAD TO HAVE STITCHES, THE NUMBER OF STITCHES, I WANNA CALL IT A AFLAC BENEFIT, THEY'D SEND YOU A CHECK IN ORDER TO HELP BASICALLY KEEP THE EMPLOYEE WHOLE FOR THE COST OF OUT OF POCKET.
UM, SO THERE WAS SOME GIVE YEAH, THERE IS.
IT WAS BASED ON WHAT PEOPLE WANTED.
WE FEEL THAT IT'LL BE A WIN-WIN IN THE LONG RUN AND WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE EDUCATE THE STAFF WHEN ALL OF IT.
HOW ABOUT THE, UH, PCP NETWORK? 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT WAS A CONCERN.
UM, THE LOCAL CHOICE THAT IS ADMINISTERED THROUGH ANTHEM'S PLAN AND THEY HAVE A HUGE NETWORK, UM, JUST ABOUT, I THINK THEY SAID 98% OF THE PROVIDERS IN THIS AREA AND IN A 50 MILE RADIUS ARE COVERED UNDER ANTHEM, SO IT SHOULD BE A LITTLE BETTER.
UM, WE'VE HAD ISSUES WITH UNITED AND UM, VALLEY HEALTH.
I KNOW THAT WAS SO WE THINK IT'LL BE A LITTLE BETTER.
YEAH, I KNOW THAT WAS, UM, A LOT OF, UM, A ACROSS THE BOARD STAFF MM-HMM
UM, WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE FACT THAT NONE OF THEIR PROVIDERS WERE IN THAT.
SO THEY EITHER HAD TO CHANGE PROVIDERS OR PAY A LOT OUT OF POCKET MM-HMM
SO, AND WE'VE, I DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT ANTHEM HAS BEEN REALLY EASY TO WORK WITH WHERE WE HAD SOME ISSUES WITH PROVIDERS NOT WANTING TO FILE IT.
THEY TELL THE EMPLOYEE YOU CAN FILE IT ON YOUR OWN.
UM, AND WHEREAS ANTHEM'S LIKE, WE'LL TAKE CARE OF IT AND THE PROVIDERS ARE USED TO IT.
SO WE FEEL LIKE IT'LL BE A MAJOR WIN FOR THE EMPLOYEES.
I THINK THAT THEY'LL BE VERY HAPPY IN THE LONG RUN.
SO THAT, CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU AND ANYONE INVOLVED IN KEEPING THE PRICES LEVEL AND REALIZING THESE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS.
WELL IT IS, AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT OUR TEAM IS GLAD TO SEE.
UM, ESPECIALLY PARTNERING WITH OUR WELLNESS PROGRAM.
AND I JOKINGLY SAID WE'VE REALLY USED OUR INSURANCE.
UM, WE'VE PUSHED PEOPLE TO ACTUALLY UTILIZE IT.
AND IN LOOKING AT THE HIGH CLAIMS, WE'VE HAD A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER, BUT THEY WERE EARLY ON HIGH CLAIMS, WHICH IS GREAT BECAUSE THE LONG TERM ONES ARE THE ONES THAT YOU DON'T HAVE POSITIVE OUTCOMES TO.
SO I FEEL LIKE WE PROBABLY USED AN ABUSE UNITED A LITTLE MUCH AND PUSHING HEALTH, BUT HOPEFULLY IT'LL BENEFIT WELL FOR THE CHANGE.
UM, BUT THAT BRINGS ME TO ANOTHER TOPIC THAT'S THE LIBRARY.
UM, SO CURRENTLY THEY ARE ON OUR HEALTH INSURANCE.
SO WITH THE RENEWAL, UM, WE WILL NEED TO LET THEM KNOW WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO HAVE SAMUELS ON OUR PLAN OR WHETHER WE WANT THEM TO SEEK OTHER COVERAGE.
OUR BROKER IS ABLE TO ASSIST WITH THAT PROCESS.
UM, BUT IT IS YOUR DECISION AS TO WHETHER I NEED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH THEM.
AND THAT IS A SEPARATE DECISION YES.
FOR THE BOARD FROM WHATEVER YOU DO WITH YOUR RFP.
AND HOWEVER THAT COMES BACK, THIS IS A SEPARATE ITEM FOR YOU TO CONSIDER, BUT WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING.
IS THIS KOSHER? IT'S ALLOWED, UH, AND THAT'S NOT EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
NO, I MEAN, I MEAN, ARE, ARE WE, ARE, WE WE'RE NOT IN VIOLATION OF ANYTHING IN EITHER WAY.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE OF WAS THAT WE WEREN'T IN VIOLATION OF ANYTHING.
THERE IS, THERE IS AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY THAT DISCUSSED THIS VERY ITEM AND IT WAS APPROVED BY TOWN COUNCIL AND SIGNED BY THE MAYOR AND THE TOWN MANAGER AT THAT TIME, IT WAS SIGNED BY THE CHAIR OF THE BOARD.
AND THE, UH, MR. STANLEY, WE CANNOT FIND
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ANY RECORD WHO, WHO WAS THE CHAIR, WHO WAS THE CHAIR OF THE BOARD AT THE TIME? MR. FOX.OUR CHIEF FOX, SIR, UH, WE CANNOT FIND, AND WE, KAITLYN AND ZACH HAVE BOTH LOOKED THROUGH ALL OF OUR RECORDS AND THERE IS NO RECORDS AT ALL OF THE BOARD EVER APPROVING THAT AGREEMENT.
WHY DO I ALWAYS FEEL LIKE THAT THE COUNTY IS LIKE MIKEY ON ON THESE DEALS BETWEEN THE TOWN, ALWAYS LET MIKEY DO IT.
IT'S, UH, SO THAT WAS WHAT, IN 2007 OR OH EIGHT, OR WHEN WAS THAT? APPRO MAYBE 13.
UM, I THINK, I THINK IT WAS ABOUT THIR, I THINK IT WAS AFTER THE 7, 6, 7 AGREEMENT.
AND THIS WAS JUST, UH, TOWN COUNTY, I THINK IT WAS 13.
MR. HAM, HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THE STATUTE? SO, UM, THERE IS NO LAW THAT I CAN FIND THAT SPECIFICALLY AUTHORIZES THE COUNTY TO DO THIS.
UM, WITH RESPECT TO HEALTH INSURANCE, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT COUNTY DOESN'T PAY FOR IT, THAT SAMUEL'S DOES.
AND I CAN ALSO TELL YOU FROM RUNNING THIS PAST MY COLLEAGUES, THAT IT'S COMMONLY DONE.
UM, AND THERE'S, IT HAPPENS QUITE OFTEN.
IT'S REALLY, I THINK A MATTER OF BETWEEN THE INSURANCE COMPANY AND THE VOLUNTEERS, THEY CAN SELL INSURANCE TO WHO THEY WANT TO AND THE COUNTY DOESN'T PAY FOR IT.
WELL THAT'S SO, SO YOU, YOU CAN DO THAT.
I MEAN, THE SECOND PART WAS THAT, UH, UH, THE, UM, SAMUEL THE AGREEMENT WITH THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY, IT SAID BY ITS OWN TERMS, IT WASN'T EFFECTIVE UNTIL THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY HAD BLESSED IT.
AND SO I DON'T THINK THAT THE FORMER CHAIRMAN AND THE FORMER COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR DID ANYTHING WRONG BY SIGNING IT.
AND WHEN I SAW THAT LANGUAGE IN THERE, I RAISED MY HAND AND SAY, HEY, LET'S MAKE SURE THAT THIS ACTUALLY PASSED.
UM, AND SO IT, IT'S NOT AN AGREEMENT.
SO YOU KNOW, THE BOARD CAN ALLOW THIS OR NOT.
IT, IT'S UP UP TO THE BOARD ENTIRELY.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT DOESN'T COST THE COUNTY ANY MONEY, BUT IT IS, IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS WHAT YOU WANNA DO.
WELL, I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE IF ANYTHING HAPPENS, OUR LIABILITIES COULD TAKE, OUR PREMIUMS COULD GO UP BY ONE OF THEM FILING.
SO IT, IT WOULD AFFECT US IN THE LONG RUN.
SO WHEN YOU WERE SAYING VOLUNTEERS OF SAMUEL'S STAFF, UH, WE'RE NOT PROVIDING, UM, INSURANCE TO THEIR VOLUNTEERS.
WE'RE PROVIDE, WELL, WE'RE NOT PROVIDING 'CAUSE THEY ARE REIMBURSING US FOR THAT.
BUT WE'RE ALLOWING THEM TO USE OUR BENEFIT PACKAGE BECAUSE I'M SURE OF ECONOMIES OF SCALE I GUESS FOR WHATEVER REASON.
BUT THEY'RE PAID EMPLOYEES, YOU KNOW, SO WHEN YOU SAID VOLUNTEERS, WELL THAT'S THE INARTFUL SPEECH.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT PART OF IT MATTERS.
WHAT WHAT MATTERS IS, IT'S, IT'S REALLY A MATTER OF THERE, THERE ARE OTHER LOCALITIES THAT DO THAT, SOMETIMES VOLUNTEERS, SOMETIMES NOT.
TYPICALLY FIRE AND RESCUE IS WHERE IVE SEEN THAT.
HAD A FIRE AND RESCUE IS COVERED UNDERNEATH THAT STATUTE.
SO, AND WE FOLLOWED UP WITH THE INSURANCE COMPANY AND I THINK THERE'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING IN CODE, I CAN SEND IT TO YOU.
UM, ALLOWING LIBRARY EMPLOYEES SINCE THEY'RE PROVIDING A PUBLIC SERVICE TO BE ON THE LOCAL CHOICE.
SO SINCE IT IS A BASICALLY STATE ADMINISTERED PLANNED, SO, UM, IT IS LEGAL AS LONG AS THEY ARE LIBRARY EMPLOYEES.
BUT THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF A TWIST TO THIS AND THAT'S THAT I UNDERSTAND MOST COUNTY LIBRARIES ARE RUN BY THE COUNTY OR BY THE UNI MUNICIPALITY NOT RUN BY A PRIVATE CONTRACTOR.
OR A REGIONAL ENTITY, SIR, LIKE EXAMPLE, THE HANLEY LIBRARY SYSTEM, ALL THREE LIBRARIES ARE RUN BY THIS JOINT BOARD APPOINTED BY WINCHESTER, FREDERICK AND CLARK.
THEY ARE TECHNICALLY NOT CITY OR COUNTY EMPLOYEES.
THEY ARE EMPLOYEES OF THE LAW.
THE, THE ONLY BRING, THE ONLY REASON I BRING THAT UP IS 'CAUSE I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER WE DO, THAT WE'RE, WE'RE KOSHER IN DOING IT.
THAT WE'RE NOT BREAKING ANY LAWS OR ANY ORDINANCES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND I THINK THAT, UH, MR. HAM IS, I THINK THAT YOU'VE DONE THE, DONE THE DUE DILIGENCE ON THAT AND SAID THAT, WELL THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS THAT WE CAN DO IT, BUT THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS WE CAN'T DO IT FOR, FOR THAT MATTER.
WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER SERVICES COMPANIES, YOU KNOW, ARE WE GONNA, YOU KNOW, OPEN UP THE DOOR FOR THEM AS WELL? SO, AND ACTUALLY IN SPEAKING WITH THE INSURANCE COMPANY, IF WE DO SWITCH PROVIDERS, SO IF SOMEONE ELSE IS PROVIDING LIBRARY SERVICES FOR THE COUNTY, IF WE CHOSE TO, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO BASICALLY OFFER THEM THE SAME OPPORTUNITY TO ENROLL IN THE LOCAL CHOICE.
WELL WHAT IF THE HUMANE SOCIETY CAME TO US AND WANTED US? IT HAS TO, TO DO THAT.
IT HAS TO, IT SPECIFICALLY HAS TO BE A LIBRARY PROVIDER.
SO THEY'RE VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT IT.
A STATUTE YOU YES, SURE, I CAN SEND IT TO YOU.
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HAVE YOU SEEN THAT STATUTE? HAVE YOU READ THAT STATUTE? NOT ON LOCAL CHOICE, BUT MY, MY STATEMENT WAS MORE GENERAL THAN ON LOTS OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF INSURANCE STATUTE ABOUT, ABOUT INSURANCE RE IN REGARDS TO WHO CAN PARTICIPATE IN THE COUNTY'S INSURANCE, I'VE NOT SEEN A STATUTE ON LOCAL CHOICE.I CAN SEND IT TO THE ENTIRE BOARD STATUTE ABOUT WHO CAN PARTICIPATE IN A COUNTY GOVERNMENT HEALTH INSURANCE.
THERE ISN'T ONE OTHER THAN APPARENTLY ONE ON LOCAL CHOICE BECAUSE THE LOCAL CHOICE IS STATE ADMINISTERED AND LOCAL CHOICE IS THE INSURANCE PROVIDER.
LOCAL CHOICE IS NOT THE VIRGINIA STATE CODE THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.
SO IT IS IN VIRGINIA STATE CODE BECAUSE THE LOCAL CHOICE IS THE VIRGINIA STATE EMPLOYEE PLAN.
SO THEY HAVE STATE CODE TIED TO SPECIFICALLY THEIR INSURANCE ADMINISTRATION.
SO THAT, THAT CODE DOES NOT SAY SHALL IT'S, WHAT DOES IT SAY MAY, I'M NOT GONNA ANSWER ONE WORD TO THE OTHER BECAUSE I'LL PROBABLY SAY THE WRONG ONE.
ONE CAN SAY TO EVERYBODY, SO WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
NOW WHEN WE, I JUST WANNA REMIND YOU, I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS A PHOTOGRAPHIC MEMORY HERE,
AND SO ANOTHER QUESTION IS, UH, I KNOW THAT WE ARE PROVIDING RELIEF TO OUR EMPLOYEES ON SOME OF THE INCREASES OF THE PREMIUM.
WE, ARE WE DOING THAT FOR THE LIBRARY AS WELL? NO, VERY GOOD.
UM, IT IS UP TO THE LIBRARY AS TO WHAT THEY SUPPLEMENT VERSUS WHAT THEY CHARGE THE EMPLOYEES.
WE JUST MAKE SURE WE GET THE TOTAL PREMIUM FROM THEM.
WELL, THE LAST COMMENT I WANNA MAKE IS THAT HERE WE GIVE THE LIBRARY 1,000,020 $4,000 AND THEN THEY TURN AROUND AND REIMBURSES WHAT, $300,000? SO WE'RE REALLY ONLY GIVING THEM $700,000 TO, FOR THEIR OPERATIONAL COSTS.
JUST WANNA PUT THAT COMMENT OUT.
THERE IS, BUT ANYWAY, THIS IS A SEPARATE THING ANYWAY, RIGHT? YEAH.
BUT IT IS ANOTHER ONE THAT YOU NEED TO ADDRESS? OH, ABSOLUTELY.
IS THE, UM, TRAINING ACADEMY ON OUR PLAN.
SO ANOTHER AGENCY, IT'S THE REGIONAL TRAINING ACADEMY, AND WE ARE PART OF THAT ACADEMY ALONG WITH OTHER JURISDICTIONS.
AND THEY PAY THEIR PREMIUM, BUT THEY ARE ON OUR PLAN.
BUT WE DON'T GIVE THEM MONEY AND THEN THEY GIVE US MONEY BACK.
WELL, WE PAY WHEN WE SEND SOMEBODY TO THE ACADEMY, WHEN SHERIFF KLEIN SENDS SOMEBODY TO THE ACADEMY, UHHUH, WE PAY FOR IT.
YEAH, IF YOU COULD JUST SEND MM-HMM
WILL BE PREPARED FOR WHEN WE HAVE THIS DISCUSSION AGAIN.
UM, THE ONLY OTHER CHANGES, UM, OR UPDATES THAT I WANT TO POINT OUT IS WITH THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, THE TRAINING, UH, CENTER, WE NOW HAVE A NEW TOWN POLICE CHIEF, AND AS OF THE 14TH THERE WILL BE A NEW TOWN MANAGER.
SO I BELIEVE AT THE NEXT JOINT SESSION DISCUSSION OF THE TRAINING ACADEMY OR THE USE OF THEIR TRAINING CENTER WILL BE UP FOR DISCUSSION AGAIN.
SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT I KNOW SHERIFF KLEIN WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A SHORT-TERM RESOLUTION OF UTILIZING, BASICALLY UPDATING FRONT ROYALS, UM, RANGE AND BEING ABLE TO UTILIZE IT FOR BOTH TOWN AND COUNTY.
UM, AND WOULD THAT BE A, THAT WOULD BE A STOP GAP UNTIL THE, WE RUN INTO A LOT OF MONEY.
REMIND YOU ON THAT NOTE, YOU HAVE A COPY OF THE EMAIL FROM MRS. PRESLEY REGARDING THE LIAISON NEXT WEEK.
AND YOU NEED TO LET ZACH KNOW, AND THE CHAIRMAN KNOW IF YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING TO THAT AGENDA.
WITH THE SHENANDOAH SHORES EGRESS, WE REALLY HAVEN'T HAD ANY UPDATES.
I CAN WE GO BACK ONE UHHUH
IT'S STILL HER NUMBER ONE REQUEST FOR CAPITAL PROGRAMS. UM, WHETHER OR NOT IT WILL BE IN THE BOX, WE DON'T KNOW.
SO THIS OUTWEIGHS NEW VEHICLES, UM, THAT WOULD BE ASSET REPLACEMENT.
THE, THE VEHICLES FOR THE CAD, I BELIEVE THAT IS UNDER CAPITAL.
UM, SO WE CHANGED THE BOX A LITTLE BIT TO GET DIRECTLY TO YOUR QUESTION.
AND WE ASKED EACH DEPARTMENT TO RANK WHAT WAS THEIR NUMBER ONE IN THIS GROUP AND WHAT WAS NUMBER TWO IN THIS GROUP.
AND NUMBER ONE IN THIS GROUP ARE THE VEHICLES.
YOU GOTTA HAVE SOMETHING FOR THOSE DEPUTIES TO GET AROUND IN.
NUMBER TWO IS THIS INFORMATION SYSTEM.
UM, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY UPDATES OR PROGRESS WITH SHENANDOAH SHORES, AND I CHECKED WITH THE VDOT SITE.
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SHOWING AS AN ACTIVE PLANNING PROJECT YET, SO NOTHING THERE.UM, WITH THE FINANCIAL STRATEGY, MS. SCOTT'S TEAM HAS ACTUALLY MADE A LOT OF, UM, PROGRESS IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS.
UM, THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO PROCUREMENT PCARD AND THE TRAVEL TRAINING POLICY, BOTH REVIEW, UPDATE AND TRAINING FOR ALL STAFF.
UM, THEY STARTED THE TRAINING IN JANUARY AND WERE ABLE TO DO PCARD AND TRAVEL AND TRAINING ACTUALLY THIS PAST MARCH.
AND THEN THE PROCUREMENT IN BOTH JANUARY AND FEBRUARY.
SO THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB, UM, ENSURING THAT EVERYBODY IS UP TO DATE ON EXACTLY HOW TO HANDLE, UM, THOSE POLICIES.
UM, YOU APPROVED BARRY DUNN A COUPLE MEETINGS BACK THAT THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, ACTUALLY, I THINK IT'S ONE NEXT WEEK'S AGENDA FOR APPROVAL.
UM, LIKE YOU HAVEN'T ALLOCATED ANY MONEY TO THIS, RIGHT? SO YOU LISTEN TO THE SALES PITCH, BUT YOU HAVE NOT, I WANNA PUT 50,000, 75,300,000 INTO THIS PROJECT.
YOU HAVE NOT DONE THAT YET, OR THIS YEAR, OR NEXT YEAR? OR EITHER.
YOU HAVEN'T DONE IT YET, SO I BELIEVE IT'S ON NEXT WEEK'S AGENDA.
I THINK THEY FOUND THE MONEY YET.
SEE, I I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I WANTED TO GIVE KUDOS TO, UH, MS. COOK AND, UH, DR.
JAMISON BECAUSE THEY'VE DONE, UH, YEOMAN'S WORK IN, IN WORKING WITH THE, UH, UH, WITH THE TREASURER AND, UH, ALSO WORKING WITH THE, WITH, UH, THE FINANCE FOLKS.
AND, UH, I THINK THAT Y'ALL HAVE, HAVE DONE A, A REALLY GOOD JOB.
DON'T GET THE BIG HEAD PLEASE.
UM, SO ON TO TOURISM OPPORTUNITIES.
SO WE HAVE OFFICIALLY REGISTERED WARREN COUNTY AS A DMO.
SO, UM, A DESTINATION MARKETING ORGANIZATION, WHICH THAT OPENS UP THE COUNTY TO BASICALLY BE ABLE TO APPLY FOR GRANTS, UM, THROUGH THE STATE GEARED TOWARDS MARKETING.
SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO BEING ABLE TO UTILIZE THAT GOING FORWARD.
UM, AND THEN ACTUALLY THIS PAST MARCH, WE HAD SEVERAL MEMBERS FROM THE TOURISM COMMITTEE ATTEND THE VTCS ORIENTATION, WHICH REALLY GOES OVER ALL OF THE RESOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE THROUGH THE STATE, HOW TO ACCURATELY AND REALLY MAXIMIZE THE TOURISM DEPARTMENT AND FOR YOUR LOCALITY.
AND, UM, WE'VE BEEN MEETING MONTHLY WITH MS. CALLERS, UM, AND THE TOURISM COMMITTEE IN ORDER TO BASICALLY ESTABLISH WHAT IS NEEDED FOR WARREN COUNTY.
AND, UM, WE'VE GOTTEN PERMISSION TO UTILIZE THE VIRGINIAS FOR LEVERS LOGOS IN ADVERTISING AND MARKETING CAMPAIGNS FOR THE COUNTY.
AND THEN, UM, WE ACTUALLY HAVE, I THINK WE HAVE SIX CANDIDATES THAT WE'RE REACHING OUT TO IN ORDER TO SCHEDULE INTERVIEWS.
UM, AND IT WILL BE, WE'RE ANTICIPATING THAT A CANDIDATE WILL BE SELECTED BY MARCH, OR SORRY, MAY 1ST.
AND WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING BLENDING TOURISM WITH PARKS AND RECREATION.
UM, SO WE DISCUSS IT A LITTLE MORE.
WE'RE WORKING WITH MS. UM, WALKER IN ORDER TO DETERMINE WHAT THE REPORTING RELATIONSHIPS WILL BE.
UM, SO HOPEFULLY BY FRIDAY WE'LL HAVE THAT IRONED OUT A LITTLE BETTER.
IS ANYONE FROM THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS INVOLVED WITH THE INTERVIEW OR THE SELECTION PROCESS? YOU'RE ON BOTH SIDES.
SO ONCE YOU COMBINE THE TOURISM WITH PARKS AND REC MM-HMM
AND WE START GETTING THINGS MOVING MM-HMM
WHERE REVENUE WILL BE STARTING TO COME INTO THE COUNTY.
SO WILL THAT REVENUE GO INTO THE GENERAL FUND OR IS IT GOING TO SUPPLEMENT OPERATIONS OF PARK AND REC? WELL, ALL OF IT HAS ALWAYS GONE INTO THE GENERAL FUND.
SO IT WOULD CONTINUE TO DO THAT.
AND THEN, UH, WHEN, UH, FOR US REGISTERING FOR A DMO MM-HMM
AND I COULD BE WAY OFF MM-HMM
THIS BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE WERE, UH, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THIS, BUT DIDN'T WE NEED TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF A LOCATION IN THE COUNTY TO, UM, BE REGISTERED AS A DML? WE NEEDED AN ADDRESS WE NEEDED.
AND WHAT'S THE ADDRESS? SO WE'RE THE VISITOR CENTER NORTH.
WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A VISITOR CENTER.
I THOUGHT MAYBE WE HAD A LITTLE BUILDING.
NO, IT WAS A WHOLE LOT EASIER THAN I THOUGHT.
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LITERALLY A PAGE OF QUESTIONS AND GETTING A FEW ANSWERS FROM THE COMMISSIONER, AND IT WAS EASY PEASY.JUST TO ADD TO THAT, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK IS THAT OUR GROUP HAS BEEN STRATEGIZING, UM, IS THE IMPORTANCE TO PUT OUT A POSITIVE PRESENTATION OF WARREN COUNTY.
AND, UM, BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE ONLY GONNA WANNA COME SOMEPLACE THAT'S INVITING AND, UM, THROWS OFF POSITIVE VIBES.
SO WE'VE GOT OUR WORK CUT OUT FOR US ON THAT ISSUE.
UM, BUT SOMETHING THAT WE'VE, UM, MS. MEADOW AND I TALKED ABOUT YESTERDAY ALSO IS THE CENTENNIALS NEXT YEAR.
SO WE'VE, WE'VE GOT A LOT, UM, TO, TO THINK ABOUT IN THAT DIRECTION MM-HMM
AND TO, TO REALLY CONCENTRATE ON THAT.
I'M, I'M REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THESE INTERVIEWS AND UM, BLESS YOU.
AND GETTING THAT DIRECTOR, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT SOME REALLY GOOD PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING ON THIS TOURISM, BUT WE, WE NEED THAT SOLID LEADERSHIP GUIDANCE THAT HAS THE KNOWLEDGE TO TAKE OFF WITH WHAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING MM-HMM
AND BUILDING, UM, A FOUNDATION FOR THEM WHEN THEY COME IN.
SO, UM, BUT THAT POSITIVE FRONT AND MOVING US IN A POSITIVE DIRECTION IS SO IMPORTANT.
WE HAD A FIRE AND RESCUE ACTUALLY HAD A PHENOMENAL TRAINING, LEADERSHIP TRAINING TODAY FOR ALL OF THEIR OFFICERS.
AND THEY HAD A MARKETING PROFESSIONAL COME IN TO TALK ABOUT SOCIAL MEDIA AND IT WAS VERY INTERESTING HEARING HER TALK ABOUT BASICALLY HOW TO BURY BAD SOCIAL MEDIA AND, UM, LOOKING AT YOUR DIGITAL FOOTPRINT AND HOW TO BASICALLY PUSH THE POSITIVE THINGS FORWARD.
SO IF YOU GOOGLE WARREN COUNTY LOOK TO SEE WHAT ARE THE TOP 10 THINGS THAT SHOW UP IN THAT SEARCH AND WHAT WE CAN DO IN ORDER TO IMPACT IT, IT'S NOT EXACTLY THE BEST THING TO DO.
UM, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE WORKING TO REALLY BE VERY STRATEGIC IN HOW WE APPROACH THINGS AND MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE SHARING POSITIVE MESSAGES.
THE TWO FIC PROGRAM, WHICH IS PART OF THE TWO 50, UM, STATEWIDE PROGRAM IS FANTASTIC.
IT ACTUALLY, AND IT'LL BE POSTED ON, UM, EXPERIENCE WARREN COUNTY'S FACEBOOK PAGE TOMORROW.
UM, SO IT REALLY PUSHES, BASICALLY COMMUNICATING CERTAIN TIMES AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO PUSH FORWARD WITH THE, UM, REALLY THE TEAM AND THE AREA.
DO WE HAVE A TOURISM, UM, WEBPAGE? WE DO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON TOURISM? OKAY.
UM, THE NEXT, SO NO REAL UPDATE WITH THE EDA, UM, THAT WE CAN DISCUSS.
UM, THERE REALLY HASN'T BEEN A BIG SHIFT WITH THE INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY SURVEY.
I THINK EVERYBODY MET THE NEW NETWORK ADMINISTRATOR.
I THINK, UM, JOE'S BACKGROUND AND UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IS NEEDED IS PHENOMENAL.
AND HE AND, UM, MR. JONES HAVE WORKED WELL TOGETHER TO CREATE A PLAN FOR REALLY THE NEXT COUPLE, I'D SAY PROBABLY 18 MONTHS ON WHAT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED AND ADDRESSED.
SO WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO SEE THEM CONTINUE TO STRENGTHEN OUR NETWORK AND, UM, THE NEEDS FOR THE COUNTY.
THEY'RE ALSO PARTNERING WITH THE COMMISSIONER, THE TREASURER, AND THE FINANCE OFFICE IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ONE SYSTEM THAT WILL WORK FOR ALL THREE.
UM, AND ALSO INTEGRATE WITH PAYROLL AND THE HR TEAM THAT'S RELATED TO THE BARRY DUN YES.
UM, AND I REALIZED THAT MR. BARRY ALREADY LEFT AND JAY MIGHT BE ABLE TO TOUCH ON SOME OF THESE.
SO I THINK THERE WAS A MEETING JANUARY 15TH, UM, AND THEN THERE WAS ACTUALLY A TRAINING TODAY AT NOON FOR THE SAFETY SEMINAR AT THE AIRPORT.
AND THE THEME WAS COMPLACENCY IN THE COCKPIT, WHICH THAT SOUNDS LIKE A SCARY TOPIC FOR ME 'CAUSE I'M LIKE, OH, I REALLY HOPE THAT NO PILOT IS COMPLACENT.
UM, AND THEN THE MAY 10TH THAT SATURDAY, UM, IS ANNUAL WINGS AND WHEELS AT THE AIRPORT.
UM, IT WAS PHENOMENAL LAST YEAR, SO IF YOU DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO CHECK IT OUT, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND IT.
UM, IT WAS A REALLY GREAT, VERY POSITIVE, UM, EXPERIENCE.
AND THEN IN YOUR PACKETS YOU'LL SEE A FIVE PAGE ATTACHMENT ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS FOR THE AIRPORT THAT, UM, MR. BERRY SUBMITTED TO THE STATE.
UM, AND SO THAT I WAS GONNA SAY ANY
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OTHER UPDATES, UM, PROBABLY MR. BUTLER WOULD BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO BETTER THAN MYSELF.SO THE ANNUAL WINGS AND WHEELS.
NOW, IS THAT BEING SPONSORED BY THE FRIENDS OF THE AIRPORT OR IS THAT BEING SPONSORED BY THE AIRPORT? WARREN COUNTY AIRPORT.
BECAUSE IT SAYS IT'S BEING COMMISSION IS HOSTING, SO IT'S NOT THE COMMISSION WHO'S HOSTING IT.
NO, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THE FRIENDS OF YEAH, EXACTLY.
SO ANY REVENUE THAT THAT, THAT THEY COLLECT GOES TO THEM AND NOT THE COUNTY.
BUT, BUT WHAT THEY DO IS THEY TAKE THAT REVENUE AND THEY, THEY USE IT FOR THINGS LIKE THIS TRAINING THAT THEY HAD TODAY, SO THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, SO THAT IF THEY NEEDED ANY TYPE OF, UH, OF TRAINING AIDS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THEY WOULD HAVE FUNDS TO BE ABLE TO, TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE.
NOW IS THE FRIENDS OF AIRPORT, ARE THEY A DESIGNATED ORGANIZATION OR THEY, YOU KNOW, ARE THEY A 5 0 1 C3 OR NO, 5 0 1 C DON'T HOLD ME.
I MEAN, DON'T HOLD THIS, BUT I BELIEVE THAT IT'S A 5 0 1 C3.
I'D HAVE TO CHECK WITH MR. JOHN BURT, BECAUSE I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE JUST NOT LETTING THEM TAKE MONEY YEAH.
AND THEN, UM, THE OTHER THING, DESIGN LAND ACQUISITION REIMBURSEMENTS.
UM, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IT'S, IT'S THE THIRD PARAGRAPH.
IT'S LIKE THE SECOND SENTENCE AS FAR AS THE CAPITAL IMPROVE.
AND MAYBE YOU WON'T KNOW, MAYBE THIS IS A MIKE, IT'S KELLY.
I'LL TALK TO MIKE OFFLINE ON THAT ONE.
SO ARE YOU READING MA'AM? IT'S, UH, ONE, TWO, THE THIRD PARAGRAPH, AND IT'S THE LAST 1, 2, 3 SENTENCES.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE FIVE PAGES AFTER THE PAGE YOU'RE CURRENTLY ON, IT'S THE INFORMATION THAT HE ACTUALLY SENT IN, WHICH HAS SOME OF THE DETAILS.
SO DESCRIBE WHAT, WHAT THAT MEANS.
AND LASTLY, UM, THE REGULATIONS, AIRPORT REGULATIONS, UM, THEY WERE, THEY CAME TO US AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR.
THEY SAID THEY WERE GONNA COME BACK IN TWO MONTHS.
SO, UM, WHERE, WHAT'S THE STATUS OF THE REGULATIONS? LET ME GET BACK WITH THE, LET ME GET BACK WITH YOU ON THAT.
AND, AND I WILL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I AM THE, I, I AM THE, THE, UH, LONG POLE OF ATTEMPT FOR THAT ONE.
I'M THE BOTTLENECK FOR THAT ONE.
WE HAVE A, A MEETING THOUGH IN ABOUT TWO WEEKS WITH YOU.
I'D JUST LIKE TO GET AN UPDATE ON THE REGULATIONS BECAUSE I SUBMITTED A LOT OF QUESTIONS TO THE DRAFT REGULATIONS THAT WAS PRE, I THINK IT WAS PRESENTED IN FEBRUARY.
AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW THE STATUS AND ANSWERS TO MY COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS AND THAT, BUT THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
UM, THE NEXT ITEM IS THE, UM, LIBRARY DEBRIEF.
SO NOTICE WAS PROVIDED TO SAMUELS THAT, UM, THE BOARD WOULD NOT BE EXTENDING THE CURRENT MOA FOR AN ADDITIONAL YEAR.
UM, THE RFP FOR LIBRARY MANAGEMENT SERVICES WAS POSTED FRIDAY, THE 4TH OF APRIL.
AND THAT RFP WILL CLOSE ON APRIL 18TH.
UM, AND I BELIEVE ON THE 21ST AND 22ND, THE LIBRARY BOARD IS MEETING IN CLOSED SESSION TO REVIEW THOSE RFPS.
AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER ITEM IS, UM, WE WILL IN PROBABLY NEXT WEEK NEED YOUR DECISION REGARDING THE HEALTH BENEFITS FOR THE LIBRARY.
IN ORDER TO DETERMINE WHETHER WE WILL CONTINUE TO OFFER THEM TO WHOMEVER IS A SERVICE PROVIDER FOR THE COUNTY, WHETHER IT WOULD BE SAMUELS OR SOMEONE ELSE.
NOT, WE'RE NOT JUST FOCUSING ON THIS.
BECAUSE WE'RE NOT AT THAT POINT TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
IT BE THE CASE WE NEED TO GIVE IN THE FUTURE.
WE NEED TO GIVE NOTICE IF WE'RE GONNA CHANGE ANYTHING OF PROVIDING THAT.
SO THE, SO THE, UH, UM, THE PROPOSALS, IT CLOSES THE 18TH AND I THINK WE PUSHED THAT BACK, UH, A WEEK, DIDN'T WE? TO THE 28TH IS WHEN THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THAT CLOSED MEETING? I THINK JUST A COUPLE OF DAYS.
WE ARE STILL WITHIN THE 10 DAY PERIOD.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS FOR THE, FOR THE, THE, UH, LIBRARY BOARD TO REVIEW LIBRARY BOARD, WE, WE PUSHED THEIR REVIEW A COUPLE DAYS.
UH, IT, IT IS YOU, YOU'RE CORRECT.
UM, SORRY, I DON'T MEAN TO CUT IN.
THE LIBRARY BOARD IS CURRENTLY SCHEDULED TO MEET ON THE 21ST AND THE 22ND OF APRIL TO REVIEW THOSE.
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ME TO POST THOSE.THE NEXT ITEM THAT HAS SIGNIFICANT MOVEMENT IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO YOU ALL ACTUALLY APPROVED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LAST WEEK, AND, UM, MR. LING'S TEAM WAS ABLE TO GET THE UPDATED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PUBLISHED ONTO OUR WEBSITE.
AND WE SPOKE BRIEFLY ABOUT FUTURE UPDATES, UM, BECAUSE IT SHOULD BE UPDATED EVERY FIVE YEARS AS TO, UM, WHETHER IT WOULD BE DONE ONE CHUNK OF TIME OR WHETHER IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THEY'D WORK ON.
UM, AND IT, WITH THE STAFF, HE, MR. LING, SORRY, DOES RECOMMEND THAT THE STAFF CONTINUE TO UPDATE THE COMMUNITY PROFILE AND AS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NUMBERS AND DEMOGRAPHICS CHANGE FOR THE COMMUNITY, THAT THEY CAN UPDATE THAT ON A REGULAR BASIS.
AND THEN, UM, IF NEEDED, LOOK AT, UM, BASICALLY UPDATING CERTAIN CHAPTERS OVER THE YEARS BECAUSE WE HAVE EXCELLENT STAFF WHO MAKE IT SO THAT WE COULD DO IT IN HOUSE RATHER THAN HAVING TO OUTSOURCE IT, WHICH IS FANTASTIC.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH TO YOUR TEAM.
ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE COMP PLAN? GREAT.
UM, AND THEN WITH THE SETBACKS ORDINANCE, THE TEAM IS CONTINUING TO WORK ON THAT PROJECT.
UM, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH YET, BUT THEY'RE CONTINUING TO WORK THROUGH THAT AND GATHERING DATA AND INFORMATION, UM, IN ORDER TO BASICALLY DECIDE HOW WE WOULD BE ABLE TO UPDATE THAT ORDINANCE, UH, BEFORE YOU MOVE ON MM-HMM
UM, THE, THE WHAT, 1, 2, 3, THE FOURTH, UM, SENTENCE WHERE IT SAYS, AGRICULTURE ZONING DISTRICTS SHOULD BE THE SUBJECT AREA FOR POTENTIAL FUTURE CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT AND ALLOWANCES FOR CLUSTER SUBDIVISIONS OR ADDITIONAL ACCESSORY D DWELL DWELLING UNITS.
I'M GONNA LET MR. WENDLING SPEAK TO THAT.
UM, RATHER THAN THAT'S A, THAT'S ON OUR BOARD OF SUPERVISOR GOALS.
WELL, LET'S REMEMBER THAT THE CLUSTER SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE IS ALREADY IN THE ORDINANCE.
UM, AND, UM, THE, AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS REQUIRED IN THE COMP PLAN BY STATE CODE.
I KNOW THERE WAS SOME VALID CONCERNS REGARDING THE CLUSTERING OF, YOU KNOW, THESE DEVELOPMENTS AND THE HIGHER DENSITY AND THE IMPACT ON THE, UH, WELL WATER AND WHATNOT.
BUT, UM, I MEAN, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT.
YOU CAN, WE JUST HAVEN'T HAD THAT MANY OF 'EM.
UM, AND WE DON'T REALLY GET THAT MANY REQUESTS FOR 'EM.
ALTHOUGH WE, I MEAN, WE HAVE ONE RIGHT NOW, WE'RE WORKING WITH, UH, A LANDOWNER ON THAT.
BUT, UM, THE ADUS, THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS WERE INCLUDED AS PART OF THAT COMP PLAN.
WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY SPECIFICS REGARDING IT, BUT MR. LENS HAS WORKED ON A DRAFT ORDINANCE FOR THE ZONING ORDINANCE, UH, FOR THAT LAND USE, UM, DEFINITION, SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS.
AND, UM, SO HE'S GONNA PROBABLY BUILD ON THAT.
AND I'M THINKING BRINGING IT TO THE BOARD HERE, MAYBE TOWARD THE END OF THE SUMMER JUST PRIOR TO, YOU KNOW, AND TRY AND GET IT, I'LL JUST SAY WORK IT THROUGH, OBVIOUSLY DO SOME WORK SESSIONS AND IF THE BOARD, THIS BOARD WANTS TO SEE THAT IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, THAT WAS KIND OF ONE OF THE BIG THINGS WE WERE LOOKING AT TO, UH, POTENTIALLY PROVIDE SOMEWHAT OF A SOLUTION FOR DISPERSION OF HOUSING AVAILABILITY AND LAND AVAILABILITY FOR BUILDING AND ADDITIONAL HOUSE FOR FAMILIES.
AGAIN, THIS WOULD BE FOR A HOUSING SOLUTION, NOT FOR A TRANSIENT LODGING SOLUTION.
WELL, THESE, THESE WERE GOALS THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS PUT TOGETHER MM-HMM
I THINK IT WAS LAST YEAR, RIGHT? MM-HMM
AND THIS PARTICULAR GOAL WAS JUST TO EVALUATE THE EFFECT OF DECREASING SETBACK ORDINANCE IN CERTAIN SUBDIVISIONS.
SO THAT'S WHY THIS WAS LIKE, STUCK OUT.
YOU KNOW, WAS A RED FLAG BECAUSE THIS HAS NOTHING AND NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR, OUR GOAL.
SO, UM, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS SHOULD BE YEAH.
SHOULD WE CREATE A NEW GOAL OR THAT WAS, I, I THINK, OR, OR AMEND THIS GOAL.
THE GREEN'S JUST EXTEMPORANEOUS INFORMATION NOW.
BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'LL BE SEEING MORE OF THIS IN THE FUTURE.
UM, THE NEXT GOAL THAT WE'VE MADE MOVEMENT WITH ARE THE, UM, EXPANDING RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES AND PROGRAMS. UM, MS. WALKER'S TEAM HAS BEEN WORKING TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL
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PROGRAMMING AND IMPLEMENT ADDITIONAL, UM, BASICALLY NEW OPPORTUNITIES IN THE COUNTY, SPECIFICALLY REGARDING PROGRAMMING.UM, OUR PROGRAM COORDINATOR DID ACTUALLY LEAVE THE COUNTY.
SHE MOVED TO CLARK COUNTY, UM, TO THEIR RECREATION DEPARTMENT.
SO, UM, WE DO HAVE SOME HIGHLY QUALIFIED CANDIDATES THAT ONCE MS. WALKER'S BACK FROM SURGERY, SHE'LL BE ABLE TO, UM, HOPEFULLY SELECT A GREAT CANDIDATE TO FILL THAT SPOT.
AND WE'RE REALLY EXCITED BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE ARE GEARING UP FOR SUMMER, DESPITE IT BEING 40 SOME ODD DEGREES OUTSIDE.
I'M, I'M CONFIDENT THAT WHOEVER MS. WALKER SELECTS IS GONNA BE TOPNOTCH.
SHE'S REALLY FOCUSED ON BUILDING A STRONG TEAM AND THEY'VE BEEN DOING PHENOMENAL, UM, THE INDUSTRIAL CORRIDOR WATER CAPACITY PLAN PROJECT.
SO WITH THAT, THE REGIONAL COMMISSION IS ACTUALLY WORKING ON THAT.
SO MR. BARRY AND BRIAN FOLEY FROM FIRE AND RESCUE HAD A MEETING WITH THE NORTHERN SHENANDOAH VALLEY, UM, REGIONAL PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, I GUESS IT WAS IN MARCH, THE END OF MARCH.
AND SO I INCLUDED JUST A FEW SLIDES THAT BASICALLY SHOW WHAT THEY WENT OVER.
SO THEY MET TO GO OVER THE PRIOR PLAN, WHICH BASICALLY WAS LOOKING AT WHETHER WE HAD THE CAPACITY IN ORDER TO CONTINUE TO THRIVE THROUGH 2040 AND IF SOMETHING ELSE NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED.
UM, SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS CONTINUING TO EVALUATE WHICH LOCALITIES ARE HAVING SHORTAGES AND BASICALLY WHAT THEY WILL NEED TO DO IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THOSE.
RIGHT NOW WE ARE FINE THROUGH 2040, HOWEVER, THAT'S NOT VERY FAR AWAY.
UM, AND GIVEN THE DROUGHTS THAT WE'VE HAD THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, IT'S VERY CONCERNING STILL.
UM, SO THEY ARE WORKING ON THAT ON THE REGIONAL LEVEL AND, UM, MIKE AND BRIAN ARE VERY INVOLVED AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO SEE THE MOVEMENT AND PROGRESS WITH THAT PLAN.
UM, IT SHOULD BE BASICALLY ABOUT A 18 MONTH CYCLE OF THEM GETTING THROUGH THE PLANNING PROCESS WITH THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING THE GOALS? YEAH.
UM, FOR GOAL NUMBER 22, WORK GROUP TO EVALUATE HOMELESS HOUSING NEEDS AND SUBSTANDARD STRUCTURES.
HAVE WE DONE ANYTHING FOR THAT? I SEE NO GREEN.
THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY PROGRESS MADE WITH THAT.
I THINK WHEN, UM, PROBABLY THE LAST JOINT TOWN COUNTY MEETING, UM, MR. BEAM AND, UM, CHIEF MYCO GAVE A PRESENTATION, OR IT MAY HAVE JUST BEEN MR. BEAM THAT GAVE AN UPDATE ON SOME OF THE SITUATIONS AND WHAT THEY WERE WORKING ON.
BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN ANY MOVEMENT IN REALLY THE LAST SIX MONTHS.
'CAUSE I THINK THAT WAS, UH, THAT DISCUSSION WAS TO ADDRESS, UM, IN HELPING, UM, TENANTS MM-HMM
IN THE TOWN, UH, TO TRY TO, UM, MAKE COMPLAINTS AGAINST LANDLORDS FOR MM-HMM
LOAD STANDING OF LOAD STANDARDS, BUT NOTHING TO DO ABOUT THE EVALUATE THE HOMELESSNESS.
SO, UM, IN SPEAKING WITH AND JUST A CASUAL CONVERSATION WITH, UM, SOCIAL SERVICES, I KNOW FROM LAST YEAR TO THIS YEAR, THE NUMBERS HAVE GONE DOWN.
THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO PLACE ADDITIONAL, UM, PEOPLE THAT WERE SELF-IDENTIFIED AS HOMELESS.
I THINK THAT THEY SAID THEY PLACED EIGHT PEOPLE, UM, IN HOMES WHO, AND I WANNA SAY THE NUMBERS WERE STILL, YOU DON'T HAVE 80 SOMETHING, DON'T WORRY.
UM, SO I'D LIKE TO GET SOME STATS OKAY.
'CAUSE I SEE A LOT OF HOMELESS AROUND MM-HMM
AND HELPING THEM, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN, ESPECIALLY WITH THE MONEY THEY GET.
UH, IS THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN HANDLE THERE? UH, DR.
DALEY AND YOU HAVE NEW SOMETHING I HOUSING COMING ONLINE.
THAT'S NOT GONNA RESOLVE EVERYTHING.
WE CAN GET OUR SOCIAL SERVICES NUMBERS, BUT IT'S GONNA TAKE OUTSIDE RESOURCES TO DO A GREAT DEAL.
AND IF THAT'S THE ANSWER, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, LET'S JUST DO WHAT WE CAN AND THEN ADJUST THIS GOAL OR SAY, YOU KNOW, LET'S PUT IT DOWN AS A PRIORITY OR WHATEVER.
AND ONE ITEM THAT'S SOMEWHAT RELATED, UM, THERE WAS A CONVERSATION THAT
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ACTUALLY STEMMED FROM THE TOURISM COMMITTEE ABOUT PANHANDLING OUT IN RIVERTON.AND THE, WE DON'T HAVE A ORDINANCE.
AND SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, SOME OF THE BUSINESS OWNERS SAID THAT THAT'S ONE OF THE HIGH TRAFFIC AREAS.
AND IF EVERY TIME YOU DRIVE THROUGH THERE, THERE ARE MULTIPLE PEOPLE OUT THERE.
THE, BASICALLY FROM A BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE, THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE LOCAL GOVERNMENT DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, BOTH TOWN AND COUNTY.
UM, SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT MAY COME UP IN THE FUTURE.
I'VE SEEN, UH, SEEN A DRUG DEALER GO THROUGH THERE AND MEET UP WITH SOME OF THE PANHANDLER, AND I THINK EVEN THAT'S SCARY.
INCREASED PATROLS IN THERE WOULD MAYBE HELP THE SITUATION.
I'VE HAD CONSTITUENTS CALLING ME UP AND SAYING, THAT GUY'S NOT HOMELESS.
BUT THE LAW REGULATIONS FOR THAT, THAT'S WHAT A LOT OF, RIGHT.
I THINK I'VE TALKED TO THE PREVIOUS BOARD ABOUT THIS TOO, AND MAYBE SOME OTHER, UH, LOCALITIES AS WELL.
BUT BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, THERE RIGHTS TO ASSOCIATION UNDER OUR UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION.
THERE'S REALLY VERY, VERY LITTLE THAT YOU CAN DO, NEEDS TO BE THREATENING CONDUCT OR CRIMINAL OR UNSAFE IN SOME WAY.
AND, UM, AND THAT'S SORT OF STRICTLY CONSTRUED AGAINST THE COUNTY.
SO THERE, I, I DON'T SEE ANY VALUE IN DOING SUCH AN ORDINANCE.
I WOULD SAY THAT YOU'RE SORT OF EXISTING LAWS ON THE BOOKS AGAINST DEALING DRUGS, FOR EXAMPLE, OR YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'D WANT TO ENFORCE.
AND THEN THE LAST COMMENT, IT, IT'S ON PRIORITY 24 PRI PRIVATE VISITATION.
I'M SORRY, GUYS OF ROCKLAND PARK HOUSE IN BARN.
CURRENTLY WE'RE RENTING OUT THE HOUSE.
UM, SO WE DO RECEIVE RE UM, REVENUE FOR RENT FOR THE HOUSE.
UM, THE BARN IS NOT IN THE BEST OF SHAPE, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT OUR PROJECT MANAGER IS LOOKING AT TO DETERMINE HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST FOR US TO GET IT INTO SHAPE THAT IT COULD BE USED, UM, IN LOOKING AT BLENDING TOURISM WITH PARKS AND RECREATION IF WE WERE TO UTILIZE ADDITIONAL PORTIONS OF ROCKLAND PARK FOR EVENTS.
UM, AND THEN ALSO WHETHER OR NOT WE DO LEASE OUT POTENTIALLY THE BAR IN THE HOUSE FOR SOMEONE ELSE.
UM, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE HAVEN'T REALLY MADE ANY DEFINITIVE COST ANALYSIS FOR IT, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE TOSSED AROUND DIFFERENT IDEAS WITH.
SO, UM, SO IS THIS STILL A PRIORITY WITH THE BOARD TO CONTINUE TO, TO DO, TO LOOK INTO THIS AND I THINK SO, OR, YEAH.
WOULD REMIND THE BOARD THAT WE HAVE PROPOSED THAT THIS BE EITHER LEASED OR SOLD EITHER, AND WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY TRACTION UP THERE YET FOR THIS, THAT RATHER THAN PUTTING COUNTY RESOURCES INTO IT, WE OUGHT TO LEASE THE FACILITY OUT TO BE RENOVATED AND UTILIZED BY A PRIVATE ENTITY, OR IT OUGHT TO BE SOLD TO THAT ENTITY.
SO IS THAT A, A WORKING SESSION, A WORK SESSION TOPIC THAT WE NEED TO HAVE? OR IT CAN BE, AGAIN, WHEN THE BOARD'S READY TO DO IT, UH, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD IT UP HERE BEFORE, LIKE TO, I'D LIKE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, EXPLORE THOSE OPTIONS.
SO I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING IN HERE ABOUT, UH, THERE'S A GOAL, COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW OF COUNTY OWNED REAL PROPERTY AND WHAT I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR FROM THE ADMINISTRATION AND GETTING SOME, SOME FROM COMMISSIONER'S REVENUE, A LIST.
AND I DO THINK WE SHOULD HAVE WORKING SESSION OF GETTING THROUGH THAT LIST TO SEE THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
WHAT DOES THE COUNTY OWN? WHAT IS A VALUE? WHAT ARE WE NOT USING? WHAT WOULD POTENTIALLY GENERATE REVENUE FROM BY SELLING IT? AND THEN MAYBE GETTING SOME TAX REVENUE ON IT.
SO I THINK IT'S WORTH A WORKING CONCESSION.
JUST GO THROUGH THE LIST, THE WHOLE LIST.
BUT THE, UH, THE BARN IN THE HOUSE AT ROCKLAND ARE, ARE SPECIAL TOO, BECAUSE THERE'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL, THAT WHOLE AREA.
AND SOME OF THOSE OTHER PROPERTIES MAY AS WELL, BUT YEAH, IT JUST OCCURRED TO ME, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ABOUT TO HIRE POTENTIALLY, UM, A TOURISM AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MANAGER, AND, UH, YOU HAVE TO INTERVIEW SIX PEOPLE.
THIS MIGHT BE A GOOD INTERVIEW QUESTION, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD YOU DO WITH THIS? THESE ASSETS, YOU KNOW? RIGHT.
WELL, I THINK AT LEAST NOT MAKE A DECISION UNTIL THAT PERSON IS IN YEAH.
HAS THE ABILITY TO EVALUATE IT AND GIVE US AN IDEA OF WHAT THE POTENTIAL IS THERE, UM, BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN LOOKED AT IN THAT DIRECTION AT ALL.
I THINK BY HAVING A WORK SESSION WHERE WE GO THROUGH EVERYTHING THE COUNTY OWNS, WE CAN JUST, IT'S JUST, IT TAKES WORK JUST TO GET THAT FAR SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A LIST AND WE CAN PUT CATEGORIES OF THINGS AS THIS BARN HAS SOME, YOU
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KNOW, POTENTIAL COMMERCIAL TOURISM CAPABILITY, THIS, THIS STORE OVER HERE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, AND SO ON, JUST MM-HMMIT, IT TAKES TIME TO GET MOMENTUM ON THOSE THINGS.
AND WE HAVE A LIST WHERE WE'RE REQUIRED TO FOR INSURANCE RENEWALS.
UM, SO ACTUALLY LAST WEEK I HAD TO SUBMIT EVERYTHING THE COUNTY OWNS.
UM, SO WE ARE GOING THROUGH, BECAUSE CERTAIN PROPERTIES ARE ENTAILED.
SO THE PROPERTY THAT WAS GIFTED TO THE COUNTY BY MR. ANDRE, THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT IT HAS TO BE USED FOR OR IT WOULD REVERT BACK.
SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IS ENTAILED AND ISN'T.
SO WE DON'T MAKE A LEGAL MISSTEP, UM, CAUSING PROBLEMS FOR THE COUNTY IN THE LONG RUN.
SO THAT'S A PRECURSOR TO OUR WORKING SESSION.
BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE WORKING ON.
WE JUST HAVEN'T MADE NOTICEABLE
IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'RE THINKING OF HAVING BEEN A MONTH OR TWO WEEKS, OR SIX WEEKS? THIS SUMMER WOULD BE A GREAT TIME.
IT'S GOOD TO LEARN THESE THINGS TOO, BECAUSE WE'RE THINKING WHY DOES THE COUNTY OWN THESE HOUSES? MM-HMM
UM, SO IT'S GOOD TO, TO SOCIALIZE ALL THAT.
SO THIS STILL A VALID GOAL THEN? YES.
THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE, UH,
[F. Discussion - Little Boy Ventures proposed CUP and Text Amendments - John Foote ]
THE LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA, UH, BESIDES ADJOURNMENT.UH, AND THAT IS THE, UH, UH, DISCUSSION FOR LITTLE BOY VENTURES PROPOSED, UH, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND TEXT AMENDMENTS AND, UH, MR. FOOTE.
AND, AND ALSO I JUST WANTED TO, TO MENTION THAT, UH, UH, IF, IF NONE OF THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS, I HAVE AN OBJECT, UH, OBJECTION TO THIS.
AFTER MR. FOOTE, UH, SPEAKS IF, UH, MR. SEK WOULD, UH, WOULD MIND, YOU KNOW, SAYING SOMETHING.
THIS IS JUST TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT THIS IS NOT A, A PUBLIC HEARING.
THIS IS JUST A, AN INFORMATION GATHERING.
AND, UH, I HAVE NO OBJECTIONS.
DALEY KEPT, KEEPS ON TELLING US THAT, UH, THAT YOU, YOU LOOK LIKE, UH, ONE OF THE PREVIOUS BOARD MEMBERS HERE, MR. OR, UH, MR. MABE, SIR? YEAH.
LEMME TELL YOU, YOU ARE MUCH BETTER LOOKING.
I KNOW WALT MA AND I KNOW YOU'RE RIGHT.
MR. FOOT? UH, MR. FOOT? THAT'S ME.
MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
I'M WITH THE LAW FIRM OF WALCH, COLUCCI, LULI AND WALCH.
AND YOU CAN SPELL THOSE JUST PRETTY MUCH ANY WAY YOU WANNA TRY.
UM, I'M HERE REPRESENTING LITTLE BOY VENTURES AND RICK, UH, RUMBAR.
UH, I'M VERY PLEASED TO BE HERE WITH YOU BECAUSE THIS IS NOT MY FIRST VISIT.
I FIRST STARTED PRACTICING LAND USE LAW IN WARREN COUNTY BEFORE THIS BUILDING WAS EVER BUILT.
UH, SO I'VE BEEN COMING OUT HERE FOR MANY YEARS NOW.
I'M ALSO PLEASED TO BE HERE WITH MR. SEK BECAUSE MR. SEK AND I HAVE BEEN FRIENDS FOR MAYBE 30 YEARS.
UH, MR. HAM AND I HAVE BEEN ON THE PHONE WITH EACH OTHER AND, AND FROM SHENANDOAH TO HERE, UH, WORKING IN VARIOUS COUNTIES ON VARIOUS ISSUES OVER THE YEARS.
I HAVE, ACTUALLY, I DID A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.
I'VE PROBABLY DONE 900 PUBLIC HEARINGS DURING THE COURSE OF MY GENTLE AND TENDER CAREER HERE.
I CAME, COME HERE TONIGHT NOT TO DISCUSS OR ARGUE ABOUT WHETHER YOU SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT ISSUE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THIS APPLICATION.
IN FACT, WITH YOUR PERMISSION, MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE, UH, THIS DOCUMENT HERE I'D LIKE TO COME UP AND PROVIDE TO YOU.
I DON'T KNOW, I ALSO KNOW ROGER, HE SPELLS MY NAME RIGHT,
AND PLEASE, I'M NOT EXPECTING ANYBODY TO READ THIS.
THIS IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT WAS ASKED OF US TO DO.
I, I'VE NOT ONLY SPOKEN TO MR. RUMBAR ABOUT HIS PLANS, BUT I DID HAVE OCCASION TO WATCH YOUR MARCH 11TH WORK SESSION.
SO I WAS ABLE TO HEAR, UH, YOUR CONCERNS.
MR. RUMBERGER CAME TO THE COUNTY SOME TIME AGO, A YEAR MORE THAN A YEAR, A HALF AGO, TO, WITH THE HONEST INTENT OF, UH, ESTABLISHING A BUSINESS AND RESTORING THE OLD FIREHOUSE.
AND I KNOW YOU KNOW THAT THIS BUSINESS IS DECIDEDLY UNIQUE.
A LITTLE BACKGROUND, IF YOU DON'T MIND, IS DECIDEDLY UNIQUE.
MR. RUMBERGER CAN OPENLY DISCUSS SOME ASPECTS OF IT AND SOME NOT.
BUT WHAT WE CAN SAY IS THAT HE PROVIDES UNIQUE VOCATIONAL TRAINING, VOCATIONAL EDUCATION, UH, FOR EMPLOYEES OF
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THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.NOW, IT'S NOT JUST FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
IT CAN BE, CAN BE PUBLIC SAFETY, BUT THEY'RE IN SPECIALIZED FIELDS.
UH, WE ACTUALLY HEARD AT SOME POINT THAT PEOPLE THOUGHT, 'CAUSE HE HAS SOME MILITARY VEHICLES AT THE SITE, THAT HE'S A MEMBER OF A MILITIA.
HE'S NOT ANY WAY ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, TO BE FAIR.
UH, HE MET WITH YOUR PLANNING STAFF EARLY IN THIS PROCESS AND HAS BEEN QUITE OPEN ABOUT RESTORATION OF THE FACILITY.
AND, UH, I BELIEVE, UH, IF YOU'VE NOT BEEN THERE, I KNOW INVITATIONS HAVE BEEN EXTENDED.
ONE OF YOUR MEMBERS HAS VERY KINDLY COME TO THE FACILITY AND SPOKEN, UH, WITH MR. UH, RUMBERGER.
UH, BUT HE WAS LOOKING AS, AND THIS IS PART OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, HE'S LOOKING FOR THE PROSPECT OF BEING ABLE TO DO OTHER USES BESIDES THAT EDUCATIONAL WORK TO MAKE A LITTLE ADDITIONAL REVENUE TO PAY FOR THE COST THAT HE HAS ABSORBED IN DOING THIS.
HE DOES NOT PROVIDE HIS EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS ON A ROUTINE BASIS, BUT RATHER DOES IT ON A FAIRLY SHORT TERM BASIS.
THE PROGRAMS COULD BE THREE DAYS LONG, SOME MAY BE AS LONG AS A WEEK, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S FREQUENT AT ALL.
UH, AND HE ONLY DOES IT A FEW TIMES A YEAR.
AS YOU KNOW, HE'S INVITED ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD TO COME VISIT.
MS. COOK GRACIOUSLY ACCEPTED, AND THE A MEETING WAS HELD AT WHICH, UM, SHE MET, HE, THEY MET WITH, UH, SEVERAL OF THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS, UH, THAT INCLUDED THE, THE POLICE CAPTAIN, FORMER FIRE CHIEF WHO LIVES NEXT DOOR.
IT INCLUDED THE CURRENT FIRE CHIEF AND THE OTHER NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR WHO WERE PRESENT AT THE, UH, MEETING.
HE'S BEEN WORKING ON THIS REHABILITATION FOR A YEAR AND A HALF OR THEREABOUTS, AND HAS THUS FAR RECEIVED NO COMPLAINTS.
THE ONLY OBJECTION WE ARE AWARE OF IS FROM THE ABSENTEE LANDLORD, UH, ABSENTEE OWNERS WHO ARE, I BELIEVE HERE WITH MR. UH, SEK THIS EVENING.
AND YOU'LL BE PLEASED TO HEAR FROM HIM ON THEIR BEHALF.
THOSE OF HIS NEIGHBORS WHO DO LIVE NEARBY SUPPORTIVE, ARE SUPPORTIVE OF HIS PLANS.
BUT AS I SAY, THIS IS NOT A HEARING ON A CUP.
HAVING WORKED IN LAND USE NOW FOR THE BETTER PART OF 40 YEARS, UH, I HAVE LEARNED ONE PRINCIPLE LESSON FROM THAT.
UH, YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW THAT I WAS ACTUALLY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND DEPUTY COUNTY ATTORNEY FOR PRINCE WILLIAM COUNTY FOR 12 YEARS BACK.
WELL, I THINK GRANT WAS PRESIDENT AT THE TIME.
UH, BUT I LEARNED MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE SIGNIFICANCE OF PAYING ATTENTION TO THE CONCERNS OF PEOPLE WHO WERE ELECTED TO REPRESENT THEIR COMMUNITY.
I PAID VERY CLOSE ATTENTION TO WHAT I HEARD IN YOUR WORK SESSION.
I NEVER TAKE THESE QUESTIONS LIGHTLY OR WHAT I HEAR LIGHTLY, BUT I ALWAYS SEEK TO UNDERSTAND THEM AS BEST I CAN AND TO ADDRESS THESE CONCERNS AS CLEARLY AS CONCISELY AS I POSSIBLY CAN.
THE CONCERNS THAT I HEARD MOST SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THIS PROPOSAL ARE THAT THE ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS THAT YOU HAVE SEEN SO FAR WERE PRESENTED AND WERE PRESENTED TO YOU IN CONJUNCTION WITH MR. WENDLING.
AND MR. LINZ HAVE BEEN THE FOLLOWING.
THEY WERE TOO BROADLY DRAFTED AND COULD BE APPLIED THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.
SECONDLY, THE DEFINITIONS WERE VAGUE TO THE POINT THAT NO ONE KNEW WHAT KIND OF TRAINING MIGHT BE PROPOSED AT THIS LOCATION IF A CUP WERE GRANTED.
AND FINALLY, THAT THE APPROVAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN ONE LOCATION COULD ESTABLISH A PRECEDENT, EFFECTIVELY MANDATING ITS APPROVAL IN ANOTHER LOCATION.
MR. RUMBERGER WAS KINDLY RE UH, KINDLY ASKED BY THE BOARD SLASH STAFF TO PROPOSE ALTERNATIVE LANGUAGE THAT MIGHT ADDRESS EACH OF THESE CONCERNS.
TO THE POINT THAT THIS BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MIGHT FIND ITSELF MORE INCLINED TO CONSIDER THE PROSPECT OF AMENDING ITS ORDINANCE SO THAT HE MIGHT APPLY FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
AND WHAT I'VE GIVEN YOU IS A DRAFT THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN PRESENTED TO MATT AND CHASE, UH, FOR THEIR REVIEW.
WE KNOW YOU'RE NOT GONNA READ IT TONIGHT, WE DON'T EXPECT YOU TO, UH, BUT IT'S, WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH THOSE REVISIONS IS A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I THINK ARE IMPORTANT AND I WANNA FOCUS ON.
THE FIRST IS, THERE'S A CONCEPT IN LAND USE CALLED ADAPTIVE REUSE.
IT'S USED IN MANY JURISDICTIONS FROM LOUDOUN TO FALK HERE TO PRINCE WILLIAM TO FARTHER DOWN SOUTH OF US.
AND WHAT THAT IS, IT'S ACTUALLY THE DEFINITION IS RIGHT ON THE FIRST PAGE.
IT'S THE REPURPOSING OF AN EXISTING BUILDING OR STRUCTURE FOR A NEW USE WHILE RETURNING, RETAINING ITS HISTORICAL ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES RATHER THAN DEMOLISHING AND REBUILDING IT.
ADAPTIVE REUSE IS DESIGNED TO, IN FACT, ENCOURAGE THE PRESERVATION OF STRUCTURES IN THIS PARTICULAR SUGGESTION, WHICH IS COMMON
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TO MOST OF THESE 50 YEARS OLDER, OLDER, THAT MAKES AN OBVIOUS LIMITATION ON, UH, STRUCTURES THAT COULD BE ELIGIBLE IF THEY ARE IN FACT SUBJECT TO ARY REUSE.SO, SO THAT'S KINDA LIKE AN OLD FIREHOUSE THAT'S TURNED INTO AN APARTMENT? IT WOULD BE, YES, SIR.
UH, IT COULD BE A, A FIREHOUSE TURNED INTO A MUSEUM.
UH, ANY ADAPTIVE REUSE, WHICH SAVES THE FACILITY WITHOUT TEARING IT DOWN.
AND, AND WE DO SUGGEST IN THIS ORDINANCE BE 50 YEARS OF AGE.
WE ALSO PROPOSE BETTER DEFINITION NOT OF A, A SOCIAL HALL, BECAUSE I DON'T EVEN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS, BUT MANY JURISDICTIONS USE THE TERM EVENT VENUE, AND EVENT VENUE IS DEFINED AS WELL AS EDUCATION FACILITIES.
BECAUSE ONE OF THE CONCERNS BY CALLING IT TRAINING, AND MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK YOU WERE ONE OF THE MOST, UH, ARTICULATE ABOUT THIS.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? TRAINING OF WHAT? WELL, WE DEFINE THAT MORE CLEARLY AS VOCATIONAL EDUCATION.
THAT, AND VOCATIONAL EDUCATION IS A, IS A CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD CONCEPT THAT WOULD INVOLVE INSTRUCTIONAL PROGRAMS OR COURSES THAT FOCUS ON THE SKILLS REQUIRED FOR A PARTICULAR JOB FUNCTION, TRADE, OR THE ARTS, BUT DOES NOT INVOLVE INSTRUCTION AND TRADITIONAL, UNRELATED ACADEMIC SUBJECTS.
SO IT'S NOT A COLLEGE, BUT IT'S FOCUSED ON THESE FUNCTIONAL JOB TECHNIQUES.
SHE'S THE, SO NOBODY'S TRAINING AN ANIMAL HERE.
AND I, I ACTUALLY STARTED LAUGHING WHEN I HEARD ABOUT THE ELEPHANTS 'CAUSE I COULD JUST SEE THEM ALL OVER WARREN COUNTY.
AND WE DEFINE EACH OF THESE THINGS AND THE EDUCATIONAL FACILITY EVENT, VENUE, VOCATIONAL EDUCATION, AND ADAPTIVE REUSE.
AND THESE WOULD ONLY BE USES THAT COULD BE DONE IN AN ADAPTIVE REUSE FACILITY.
SO THUS, THE CONCERN THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE ABOUT IT BEING SPREAD OVER THE COUNTY WOULD THUS BE LIMITED TO THOSE FACILITIES THAT COULD QUALIFY FOR ADAPTIVE REUSE.
EACH OF THESE WOULD STILL BE ELIGIBLE OR SUB SUBJECT TO THE EL UH, SUPPLEMENTARY CONDITIONS THAT ARE ALREADY PROPOSED.
UH, WE'VE SUGGESTED SOME MINOR MODIFICATIONS TO THOSE TO, I'VE BEEN WRITING ORDINANCES FOR THE LAST 40 YEARS.
SO I DO, I THINK I DO THAT REASONABLY WELL.
THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE BASED ON THE ONES THAT THE STAFF HAS ALREADY PRESENTED TO YOU.
NOW LET ME REFLECT FOR A MOMENT ON SOME TECHNICAL ISSUES THAT CAME UP DURING THE COURSE OF YOUR DISCUSSION.
THE FIRST IS THE QUESTION OF PRESIDENTIAL VALUE.
I, I'VE HAD A, I HAVE HAD THE BENEFIT AND THE PLEASURE OF ARGUING A NUMBER OF CASES BEFORE THE SUPREME COURT IN THE LAND USE ARENA.
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, AS I SUSPECT MR. HAM HAS DONE AS WELL, WE'VE READ PROBABLY EVERY LAND USE CASE THAT'S BEEN DECIDED BY THE SUPREME COURT OR THE COURT OF APPEALS.
THE SUPREME COURT HAS MADE IT PLAIN THAT NO TWO PIECES OF PROPERTY ARE ALIKE AND THEREFORE EACH CAN BE TREATED DIFFERENTLY FROM THE OTHER.
AND I WILL TELL YOU, THERE IS NO CASE IN VIRGINIA THAT'S BEEN DECIDED THAT I KNOW OF, IN WHICH A LEGISLATIVE ACT BY A GOVERNING BODY IN VIRGINIA HAS BEEN DETERMINED TO BE PRESIDENTIAL AS TO A DECISION ON ANOTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY IN A LEGISLATIVE ACT.
WHY EACH PIECE OF PROPERTY PRESENTS ITS OWN PROBLEM, IT'S IN ITS OWN SOLUTIONS.
SOME DON'T GET IT DONE AT ALL.
THAT IS TO SAY SOMER FOUND INAPPROPRIATE ALTOGETHER, AND THEREFORE THEY'RE DENIED.
SOMER SAID, OKAY, YOU CAN DO AN A, B, C, D AND E CONDITIONS.
AND OTHERS SAID YOU CAN DO IT, BUT YOU'VE GOT FG, H AND I CONDITIONS NO PRESIDENTIAL VALUE IS ESTABLISHED BY THE APPROVAL OF ONE VERSUS THE OTHER.
ADAPTIVE USE IS A FURTHER CONS, UH, RESTRICTION AND THEREFORE PROTECTION.
SECOND, AS I'M SURE YOU KNOW, THE VERY PURPOSE OF CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS IS TO PERMIT THE, THE BOARD NOT ONLY TO PUT YOUR SUPPLEMENTARY CONDITIONS ON TOP OF THE SPECIAL OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, BUT TO TAILOR CONDITIONS TO THAT USE.
THE GOVERNMENT WRITES THOSE CONDITIONS IN VIRGINIA PROFFERS, AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW, IN CONDITIONAL ZONING, THEY'RE PROPOSED BY THE LANDOWNER AND FRANKLY, THEY'RE NEGOTIATED WITH LOCALITIES.
BUT THE, BUT THE BOARD AND ITS STAFF WRITE THE FIRST DRAFT OF CUP CONDITIONS, THO THAT'S WHERE YOU TAILOR IT EVEN FURTHER THAN YOUR SUPPLEMENTARY CONDITIONS.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, I HEARD A DISCUSSION ABOUT PARKING AT THIS FACILITY.
WELL, THERE'S A, THERE'S A LIMITATION OF 100 PEOPLE, UH, IN THE, YOU KNOW, I THINK IN THE SUPPLEMENTARY CONDITIONS WITH RESPECT TO THIS USE.
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WELL THERE? I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, IS THERE, TODAY THERE WOULD BE 105 MARKED PARKING SPACES AT THIS SITE.THE POINT IS, LET'S SUPPOSE YOU HAD ANOTHER PIECE OF PIECE OF PROPERTY.
YOU WERE WORRIED ABOUT THE PARKING THERE, AND YOU SAID YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE 105 SPACES THAT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE CONDITION OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, EVEN IF IT WEREN'T IN YOUR SUPPLEMENTARY CONDITIONS.
SO THE, THE CUP MAY BE TAILORED FOR EVERY PROPERTY AND EVERY USE.
THIRD, WE HAVE OBSERVED THAT THERE ARE SUCH EVENTS OCCURRING AT PLACES THAT DON'T, UH, MAKE YOUR ZONING ORDINANCE, FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT NOW, BUSINESS MEETINGS, REUNIONS SIMILAR EVENTS CAN ONLY TAKE PLACE LEGALLY AT RURAL EVENTS, FACILITIES, FARM WINERIES, MICRO BREWERIES AND PRIVATE CLUBS AND LODGES FURTHER ON MEMBERS.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, SOME OF THESE ARE BEING DONE AT PLACES UNDER CONTRACT WITH THE COUNTY, BUT THOSE CONTRACTS ARE NOT LAWFUL.
VIRGINIA DOES NOT PERMIT CONTRACT ZONING.
YOU MAY LOOK AT YOUR ORDINANCE TO FIND A, A WAY TO ENSURE THAT THOSE USES CAN CONTINUE AT THOSE PLACES WHERE YOU WANT THEM TO CONTINUE.
WE'VE PROPOSED THESE CHANGES BECAUSE WE THINK THAT THE PROPOSED USE WILL BE SOMETHING YOU OUGHT TO SERIOUSLY CONSIDER.
BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M ARGUING TONIGHT.
WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED AS A FRAMEWORK FOR THE ULTIMATE CONSIDERATION OF THE USE IN A MANNER THAT WILL, I THINK, ADDRESS EACH OF THE CONCERNS THAT I HEARD EXPRESSED.
IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER 'EM.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR, FROM MR. FOOTE, FOR COUNCILOR FOOTE? CHERYL, I HAVE, I HAVE A QUESTION.
SO, UM, WITH REGARDS TO YOUR STATEMENT THAT, UM, EVERY PROPERTY IS DIFFERENT AND THE SUPREME COURT HAS ACKNOWLEDGED THAT.
SO THERE'S NO PRESIDENTIAL, UM, PATTERN WHERE, YOU KNOW, MAKING, UH, A CUP OR AN EXCEPTION FOR ONE PROPERTY WOULD NECESSARILY AFFECT OTHERS.
BUT IN, IN THIS CASE, IF, UM, IF I HAVE MY FACTS RIGHT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING, UM, THE, UH, PERMITTED OR WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING THE LIST OF ACTIVITIES THAT ARE APPROPRIATE BY CUP IN THE AGRICULTURAL YES.
SO IF WE CHANGE THAT LIST, UM, IT STILL WOULD ALLOW US THE CUP DECISION MAKING CAPABILITY, BUT IT WOULD OPEN THE DOOR TO CUP APPLICATIONS FOR THIS USE.
AND NOW IT IS, UM, EDUCATIONAL EDUCATION, EDUCATIONAL FACILITY, ADAPTIVE REUSE FACILITY.
UM, BUT IT WOULD STILL OPEN THE DOOR TO THAT ANYWHERE BY, BY CUP APPLICATION ANYWHERE IN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONE.
SO WOULDN'T, WOULDN'T AN EASIER PATH BE TO ADD THIS OR EVEN ADD TRAINING CENTER TO THE COMMERCIAL ZONE AND THEN SINGULARLY, UM, REZONE THIS ONE PROPERTY TO BE COMMERCIAL INSTEAD OF MESSING WITH THE, THE TEXT DEFINITION FOR THE AGRICULTURAL ZONE.
THAT'S AN ENTIRELY, THAT'S A COMPLETELY VALID, UH, VALID WAY THAT YOU COULD ALTERNATIVELY DO IT.
UH, WE ARE NOT WEDDED TO A PARTICULAR METHOD OF GETTING TO A POINT I WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU, UH, IN TERMS OF THROWING IT OPEN TO THE ENTIRE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT OF WARREN COUNTY.
I'M SURE THERE'S SOME PRETTY OLD BUILDINGS IN WARREN COUNTY, 'CAUSE I'VE DRIVEN AROUND HERE A LOT, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU GOT THAT MANY THAT WOULD QUALIFY AS SOMETHING SAFE, SUITABLE TO BE REHABILITATED UNDER AND PUT PUT INTO ADAPTIVE USE.
I MEAN, I, I'VE DONE THIS IN SEVERAL JURISDICTIONS AND PLACES LIKE LOUDOUN COUNTY, WHICH HAVE, UH, THE WHOLE WESTERN PART OF THE COUNTY HAS GOT BUILDINGS 50 YEARS OLD AND THEY HAVE ADAPTIVE REVIEWS AND THEY'RE NOT SEEING THAT MUCH OF IT, UH, BECAUSE OF THE COST OFTEN.
BUT I'M NOT SURE I CA THAT MR. RUMBERGER OR I, I DON'T CARE.
BUT MR. RUMBERGER WOULD CARE IF YOU DROVE DOWN THE ROAD TO THE LEFT OR THE ROAD TO THE RIGHT.
UM, AND THEN, UH, YOU GAVE US MAYBE A LITTLE FLAVOR ABOUT THE INTENDED USAGE AND I, I MM-HMM
I, UM, UM, UNDERSTAND THERE'S SOME SENSITIVITY ABOUT IT.
UH, BUT I AM, UH, YOU KNOW, AND YOU SAID THAT THE, THAT THE EDUCATIONAL EVENTS WOULD BE A FEW DAYS HERE, A FEW DAYS.
THERE NOT, DOESN'T SOUND LIKE ROUND THE CLOCK KIND OF, OR 20.
AND I REALIZE I'M VAGUE ON THAT MR. STAN MEYER, MR. RUMBAR WAS SUPPOSED TO BE HERE AND I LEFT HIM WHEN I WENT TO GET SOMETHING TO EAT AND HE WAS GONNA
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BE HERE.SO I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE WHERE HE IS.
BUT, UM, THE, THE PROGRAMS ARE, UM, MOSTLY INSIDE.
THEY'RE MOSTLY, AND, AND I SAY THEY'RE SOME OUTSIDE ACTIVITY, BUT IT'S NOT, NOT EXTENSIVE.
AND, UM, AND I I, WHAT HE'S TOLD ME BEFORE IS, IS THAT SOMETIMES THESE ARE ONLY TALKED TWICE A MONTH AND ONLY FOUR TIMES A YEAR.
DO, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THEY ARE? WELL, I KNOW THAT, WELL, I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH I'M PERMITTED TO SAY.
UM, I, I KNOW FOR EXAMPLE, THAT THAT THERE IS A SUB, THERE ARE, UM, COURSES IN HOW ONE MIGHT USE PHOTOGRAPHY TO IDENTIFY CERTAIN OBJECTS ON THE GROUND.
ALRIGHT, SO, SO THEN THIS IS MORE, WOULD YOU SAY THAT THIS IS MORE NATIONAL SECURITY RELATED OR? YES, SIR.
AND, UH, PART OF ME IS WONDERING, I KNOW THERE'S SOMETHING IN THERE ABOUT, UM, NOISE, UH, SOMETHING IN THE CUP PROPOSAL ABOUT NOISE AT THE PROPERTY LINE BEING LOWER THAN X DECIBELS.
UH, BUT, UH, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT SORT OF AMBIENT NOISE, SORT OF LIKE TYPICAL CONSTRUCTION STYLE MACHINERY NOISE, UH, FOR EXTENDED PERIODS OF TIME DISRUPTING THE TRANQUILITY OF THE REGION.
AND I'M WONDERING IF THAT'S A VALID CONCERN.
I, I WOULD, I, I'M HAVING TALKED TO HIM SEVERAL TIMES ABOUT THIS AND HAVING TO SPEAK ON HIS BEHALF ABOUT SOMETHING THAT I CAN ONLY SAY I AM ABOUT 70% ACCURATE ABOUT.
UM, THE ANSWER IS THAT THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN THAT LONG FOR THAT MANY DAYS.
IT'S, IT'S COTERMINOUS WITH SOME OF THE TRAINING PROGRAMS AND IT DOESN'T HAPPEN AT NIGHT.
AND, AND I THINK THAT THE, THE ANSWER OF THE 62 DECIBELS APPLIES TO EVERY ACTIVITY ON THE PROPERTY.
BECAUSE THAT'S NOT A, THAT'S NOT A CONVERSATIONAL TONE.
AND IT'S A LIMITATION AS TO ANY FUNCTION.
UM, I'M ALSO THINKING ABOUT IT'S JUST A TWO ACRE PROPERTY AND IF, IF MY, IF MY SENSE OF WHAT THIS IS ABOUT IS, IS RIGHT, IT SEEMS SMALL FOR THE INTENDED USE.
AND I'M JUST WONDERING WHY THIS PROPERTY IN PARTICULAR, WELL, I THINK THE ANSWER WAS THE FIREHOUSE.
UM, WE, I ENCOURAGE VISITS TO THE FIREHOUSE BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE FOR YOURSELF AND, AND, UH, MS. COOK HAS HAD THE EVENT, HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE FOR HERSELF, UH, WHAT IS OUT THERE.
AND YOU'RE, AND EVERYONE IS WELCOME TO GO AND TO MAKE THE ARRANGEMENT AND TALK TO HIM DIRECTLY ABOUT IT.
UH, DON'T GO IN GROUPS OF THREE AND VIOLATE THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT.
UH, BUT, UM, IF YOU'RE WILLING TO GO OUT AND TAKE A LOOK, HE'LL BE HAPPY TO SEE YOU.
DOES THE PROXIMITY TO THE AIRPORT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE VALUE? BE, BE BEYOND THE FIREHOUSE, BUT DOES THAT LOCATION, NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF AIRPORT, HAVE ANYTHING ABOUT THE, NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.
UM, IT'S LOUDER
I, I'M WONDERING, I MEAN, I'M TRYING TO THINK OUT LOUD BECAUSE I'VE NEVER BEEN THROUGH THIS PROCESS BEFORE.
UM, IT, IT SEEMS SO YOU, YOU LOST OUR CONVERSATION.
YOU WERE KIND OF AWARE OF WHAT OUR CONCERN YES, SIR.
UM, AND ONE OF 'EM WAS THAT WE'RE, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, AFFECTING ESSENTIALLY THE WHOLE ENTIRE COUNTY.
AND, UM, IT IS, AM I, IF I'M NOT WRONG, IF I'M NOT RIGHT, CORRECT ME.
UM, IT SEEMS THAT THE, THIS DRAFT HERE SORT OF NARROWS DOWN THE, THE, UH, NUMBER OF PROPERTIES THAT THIS SORT OF THING WOULD BE APPLICABLE TO.
IS THAT, WOULD THAT BE GOAL? THAT WOULD BE CORRECT.
AND, AND IT WOULD BE CORRECT FOR TWO, IN TWO WAYS.
ONE OF WHICH WAS THAT IT, IN THEORY AT LEAST IT, IT MAKES A FEW OTHER PROPERTIES POTENTIALLY ELIGIBLE.
I'D BE FRANKLY SURPRISED IF YOU GOT MANY OF 'EM.
BUT IT WOULD MAKE A COUPLE MORE SO THAT IT'S NOT JUST TARGETED TO THE SINGULAR PROPERTY, BUT IT WOULDN'T MAKE IT OPEN TO THE COUNTY AS A WHOLE 'CAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE ADAPTIVE USE REQUIREMENT.
AND, AND, AND THE FOLLOWING TO THAT REALLY IS, I'M NOT SURE HOW I FEEL ABOUT THAT.
'CAUSE IF, IF, IF, UM, YOU KNOW, MR. A OVER HERE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE BUSINESS IN AN AGRICULTURAL ZONE, HE HAPPENED TO LIGHT UPON A, A 50-YEAR-OLD BUILDING.
THEY CAN DO ADAPTIVE USE ON, BUT I'M OVER HERE IN THIS OTHER PART OF THE COUNTY IN AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT AND I CAN'T FIND A 50-YEAR-OLD BUILDING, BUT I CAN'T DO IT.
I CAN'T DO WHAT HE CAN DO BECAUSE MM-HMM
I DON'T HAVE A 50-YEAR-OLD BUILDING.
IT'S, THERE'S A SORT OF A, I I UNDERSTAND MORE EQUITY, BUT, BUT IT'S LIKE, IS THERE A MATTER OF, OF TAILORING THINGS DOWN TO REDUCE
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THE SET OF OPPORTUNITIES? WELL, YOU'RE ALSO TAILORING IT DOWN TO, TO OFFSET THE POT TO MITIGATE POTENTIAL IMPACT.I'M DEALING WITH A SITUATION RIGHT NOW IN PRINCE WILLIAM WHERE, WHERE A COMPANY THAT TR UH, THAT REPAIRS GENERATORS, THAT ITS COMPANY BILLS AND ONE OF ITS OUTLETS CAN'T MOVE BECAUSE THERE'S NO PLACE FOR IT TO MOVE TO.
SO IT HA BUT THERE ARE OTHER THINGS ON THAT PROPERTY THAT CAN MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE.
AND SO YOU HAVE THE SAME SITUATION EVERY TIME YOU HAVE A ZONING ORDINANCE, SOMEBODY'S GONNA HAVE SOMETHING DO SOMEWHERE AND NOT SOMEWHERE ELSE.
AND WHAT I WOULD ALSO SAY IS THAT, IS THAT IT MIGHT GO BACK TO MY POINT ABOUT YOUR CHOICE AS A BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO MAKE DECISIONS AND LAND USE IS SPEAKING AS ONE WHO'S HAD TO LITIGATE THESE MATTERS.
PLEN, YOU GET TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS.
AND FRANKLY, IF YOU HAVE A GOOD RE NOT EVEN MUCH OF A GOOD REASON, ANY EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT YOU, THE COURTS WILL ALWAYS SUSTAIN WHAT YOU'VE DONE.
WHETHER THAT'S TO DENY IT OR GRANTED, BELIEVE ME, I KNOW IT'S CALLED A FAIRLY DEBATABLE STANDARD AND I THINK MR. HAM WILL BACK ME UP.
SO THE QUESTION OF WHETHER YOU THINK IT'S THE RIGHT PLACE FOR IT OR NOT IS A DECISION BY A MAJORITY OF THIS BOARD YOU SPEAK THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE AND THE COURTS WILL BACK IT.
SO, SO I CAN APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE SOMEBODY MIGHT WANT TO DO IT AND CAN'T.
BUT THEN THAT'S THE SAME THING.
IF I WANT TO, IF I WANT TO PUT A COMMERCIAL USE IN AN AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT, I CAN'T DO IT EITHER.
EVERY USE GETS SEGREGATED THAT WAY.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I THINK IT'S A LITTLE, I THINK I WOULD SAY IT WAS A BIT MORE NUANCE THAN THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY MAKING A CHANGE YEAH.
I WANT TO DO THE SAME THING YEAH.
I JUST DON'T HAVE A BIG BUILDING FOR IT THAT I APPRECIATE THAT.
BUT THAT'S STILL, THAT'S STILL A, A, A, A DISTINCTION THAT THE LAW CAN MAKE.
UM, THAT'S A POLICY QUESTION FOR THE BOARD.
SO I WAS GONNA ASK YOU IF THIS IS GONNA HAVE A, UH, AN, AN IMPACT UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
UH, AND, AND I KNOW I'M LOOKING 25 MM-HMM
50 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE MAKING A, A DECISION ON, UH, YOU KNOW, REPURPOSED OR REPURPOSED, UH, FACILITIES.
BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, IN 25, 50 YEARS THERE'S GONNA BE QUITE COMMON.
AND I WAS JUST WONDERING, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT, UH, FIRST OF ALL, SHOULD WE BE CONCERNED WITH? AND SECOND OF ALL, YOU THINK IT WOULD BE A, AN ISSUE? OH, I'VE NEVER HAD THAT QUESTION ASKED.
I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THAT, THAT I, RIGHT NOW I CAN THINK OF 15 JURISDICTIONS I KNOW ABOUT, 'CAUSE I DID THE RESEARCH WHEN I WAS DOING THIS AS TO WHO'S GOT 'EM 15 JURISDICTIONS USE THIS ADAPTIVE RESEARCH RE UH, REUSE PROGRAM.
I DON'T THINK THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT 50 MORE YEARS FROM NOW.
THERE BEING A BIG END OF THESE THINGS.
UM, NOW IS THAT POSSIBLE? I SUPPOSE SO.
I MEAN, GET RIGHT DOWN TO ANOTHER, ANOTHER 15 YEARS.
MY HOUSE WILL BE 50 YEARS OLD.
BUT NOBODY'S GONNA REPURPOSE IT FOR ANYTHING BUT MY HOUSE.
UNLESS I BURN IT DOWN, JUST NOT TO HAVE TO CLEAN IT OUT.
THE THE REASON I ASK IS BECAUSE YOU, YOU KNOW, I I TAKE A LOOK AT THE, UH, AT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH TODAY.
THAT DECISIONS WERE MADE, UH, 25, 50 YEARS AGO, THAT NOBODY EVER, NOBODY EVER EVEN DREAMED THAT, UH, THAT THESE THINGS WOULD BE AN ISSUE TODAY.
THEY JUST SAID, WELL, WE'LL MAKE THIS, AND WELL, THEY'LL WORRY ABOUT IT IN THE FUTURE.
AND I CAN ASSURE YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU'RE GONNA BE MAKING DECISIONS BEFORE YOU LEAVE THIS OFFICE.
IT'S SOMEBODY 25 YEARS FROM NOW, I IS GONNA SAY, WHAT KIND OF A FOOL MADE THAT DECISION?
I LOOK, I'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN AND I'VE BEEN AT THIS FOR 50 YEARS NOW, AND I OKAY.
AND, AND BELIEVE ME, I CAN'T REMEMBER A BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THAT DIDN'T BLAME AN OTHER BOARD OF SUPERVISORS BEFORE IT.
UH, IT, THERE'S YOU, THERE'S THERE, UH, THE CONCERN LIKE THAT I WOULD PARALYZE A GOVERNING BODY AND I DON'T SEE YOU PARALYZED.
I'LL BE BRIEF SINCE I'M THE LAST THING BETWEEN YOU AND ADJOURNMENT.
I'M AN ATTORNEY HERE IN FRONT WORLD REPRESENTING, UH, THE NEIGHBORS OF THIS PROPERTY.
ANY ISSUE, UM, I THINK YOU HAVE ASKED MR. FOOT SOME VERY GOOD QUESTIONS, UH, UH, DURING, UM, THE LAST FEW MINUTES.
UM, AND I THINK YOU'VE HIT ON SOME OF THE IMPORTANT ISSUES.
YOU'RE NOT JUST ADDING A, UM, NEW DEFINITION, A NEW REGULATION JUST FOR THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY.
YOU'RE DOING IT COUNTYWIDE WIDE.
AND ARE THESE USES, UH, WHETHER YOU CALL THEM A TRAINING FACILITY,
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EDUCATIONAL CENTER, AN EVENT VENUE, SHOULD THEY BE IN AN AGRICULTURAL ZONE? SHOULD THEY BE IN MS COLOR'S, BROWNTOWN? SHOULD THEY BE IN BENTONVILLE? SHOULD THEY BE IN ROCKLAND? UM, SHOULD THEY BE IN, UM, THE FORK DISTRICT? THAT'S THE QUESTION YOU HAVE TO ULTIMATELY ANSWER WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT ADDING A USE TO A ZONING DISTRICT, NOT JUST THIS PROJECT.THIS MIGHT BE A GREAT PROJECT AND YOU WOULD REALLY WANT THIS PROJECT IN THE COUNTY, BUT IS AN AGRICULTURAL ZONE THE PROPER PLACE TO PUT IT? WHAT, WHAT'S BEING DESCRIBED HERE, AND EVEN MR. FOOT'S, UM, COMMENTS ABOUT, UH, TIGHTENING UP THE DEFINITION.
I HAVEN'T HAD THE BENEFIT OF LOOKING AT WHAT HE'S PRESENTED TO YOU.
UM, BUT, UM, ARE THOSE THINGS BETTER DONE IN A COMMERCIAL ZONE, UM, SOCIAL HALL EVENT, OR LET ME EVENT VENUE.
UM, SOME OF THE COMMENTS AT THE LAST WORK SESSION WERE MADE.
WELL, I JUST, AND I, I DON'T KNOW WHO MADE THE COMMENT WAS I WAS JUST AT A WEDDING RECEPTION AT ONE OF THESE, UM, WINERIES OR A, A BREWERY.
UH, AND, YOU KNOW, IT WAS OKAY, BUT THAT WAS AT, I THINK MR. LYNCH SAID THAT WAS AT A RURAL EVENT CENTER THAT HAD A MINIMUM OF 20 ACRES AND THEY HAD DIFFERENT REGULATIONS AS TO THE, THE SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS YOU WERE PROPOSED OR THAT WERE PROPOSED FOR THE SOCIAL HALL OR, UM, IT WAS GOING TO END AT 11 AND NOT MIDNIGHT.
THERE WAS A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK IN A EVENT CENTER, UH, A RURAL EVENT CENTER, AND THE SOCIAL HALL WAS GONNA BE A 50 FOOT SETBACK.
SO THERE WERE SOME DIFFERENCES.
SO THE, IT GOES BACK DOWN TO SHOULD THESE BE IN A AGRICULTURAL ZONE? AND MY CLIENTS DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE.
AND IT MAKES SENSE THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE COMING AND GOING EVEN TO HAVE CLASSROOM, UM, EDUCATION.
AND, UM, I HAVEN'T SEEN THE NEW REGULATIONS AND I, I DON'T KNOW IF MR. FOOT'S LIMITED TO INDOOR CLASSES, UH, OR, OR JUST, UH, A SCHOOL TYPE SETTING.
LET'S, LET'S CALL IT THAT OR NOT.
AGAIN, UM, THEY SHOULD BE DONE IN A COMMERCIAL ZONE, NOT IN AN AG ZONE.
Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING? CHERYL? UH, I WAS JUST WONDERING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU'D, YOU'RE, I KNOW THAT YOU LIVE IN A, IN A, UH, IN AN AGRICULTURAL, UH, AREA.
AND DO YOU HAVE ANY INSIGHT? UM, MY ONLY ONE THOUGHT IN LISTENING, UM, TO THE COMMERCIAL VERSUS AGRICULTURAL, UM, AND PLANNING CAN SET ME STRAIGHT ON THIS, IS IT'S, UM, WHEN YOU HAVE EVENTS IN THE AGRICULTURAL AREA THAT WE HAVE, UM, THEY'RE UNDER AGRITOURISM.
SO MY FIRST THOUGHT IS, YOU KNOW, WOULD THIS QUALIFY AS AGRITOURISM? AND I'M, I'M NOT SURE THAT IT WOULD MEET THOSE STANDARDS.
UM, BUT OTHERWISE I THINK IT WOULD, AS YOU SAY, UM, BE MORE OF A COMMERCIAL THING.
'CAUSE I, I'M GONNA ASSUME THERE'S GONNA BE A CHARGE FOR THE TRAINING, UM, EVENT.
SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I WOULD NEED TO BE DEFINED FOR ME OF, UM, WHICH IN ORDER FOR IT TO STAY IN AN AGRICULTURAL ZONE, WOULD IT QUALIFY FOR AGRITOURISM? UM, OR IS IT MORE OF A COMMERCIAL AND IT WOULD NEED TO BE REZONED COMMERCIAL.
SO WOULD, I HADN'T HEARD IN THE PREVIOUS, UM, UH, CONVERSATION WITH THIS.
SO I'M GLAD YOU KIND OF BROUGHT THAT UP.
UM, I, I'M JUST, UH, KIND OF CURIOUS, WHAT, WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO REZONE THIS FROM AGRICULTURAL TO COMMERCIAL? IS THAT POSSIBLE NEW ZONING APPLICATION? I, I DON'T KNOW.
IT'S LIKE, LIKE ANYTHING ELSE.
I WAS JUST WONDERING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY, BECAUSE IT'S, UH, AND, AND MR. FOOT BROUGHT
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UP SOME VERY, VERY GOOD POINTS.UH, BUT THEN IT, BUT THEN HE ALSO AGREED WITH THE FACT THAT, UH, WELL, YOU KNOW, REZONING IT TO A COMMERCIAL, UM, THE, UH, WOULD BE ANOTHER VENUE THAT WE COULD, OR ANOTHER AVENUE THAT WE COULD GO.
AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF THAT MAY BE THE, YOU KNOW, THE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD, UH, WE COULD, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I, I'M CURIOUS AS TO WHETHER THERE WAS A REASON WHY THAT WASN'T SUGGESTED IN THE FIRST PLACE BY PLANNING STAFF.
THAT'S WHY THAT WAS THE REASON FOR MY HESITATION.
TYPICALLY WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE TYPE OF APPLICATIONS, UM, AND ESPECIALLY FOR ANY TYPE OF REZONING APPLICATION, WE'LL LOOK AT THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES AND SEE WHAT THEY ARE ZONED.
UM, WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF, UM, MEMOS FROM PAST COUNTY ATTORNEYS THAT BASICALLY EXPLAIN, EXPLAIN SPOT ZONING.
AND IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THERE'S NO OTHER ADJACENT PROPERTIES DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO IT THAT ARE, UM, LIKE RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL.
UH, THE CLOSEST WE HAVE IS THE AIRPORT, WHICH IS INDUSTRIAL.
SO FROM THAT KIND OF THAT MEMO, AND AGAIN, THERE MIGHT BE SOME STATE CODE, I DON'T KNOW TOP NO, YOU, YOU, YOU'VE ANSWERED THE QUESTION.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHY YOU DIDN'T SUGGEST IT TO BE REZONED COMMERCIAL.
'CAUSE IT, IT'S, IT WOULD BE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF A BUNCH OF OTHER AGRICULTURAL STUFF AND NOT NEAR OTHER COMMERCIAL.
AND THAT'S IN YOUR, IN MR. CHAIRMAN, WOULD YOU PERMIT ME TO ADDRESS THAT FOR ALL? CERTAINLY, SIR.
I APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR COURTESY, SIR.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ANY JURISDICTION LIKES TO DO IS ADHERE TO ITS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND I HAVE A VERY STRONG SUSPICION THAT AREA IS NOT COMPREHENSIVE LOOP PLAN FOR COMMERCIAL USE.
AND I CAN APPRECIATE MR. WENDLING AND HIS, HIS APPROACH TO THIS.
HOWEVER, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT REZONING PERMITS YOU TO DO IS TO SUBMIT PROFFERS ASSOCIATED WITH CONDITIONAL ZONING.
I'M SURE YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH IT.
YOU'VE HAD CASES I'M SURE COME BEFORE YOU.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN A CASE THAT I LITIGATED OUTTA WARRENTON WITH SUPREME COURT, LET'S PROFFERS CAN AMEND ANY PROVISION OF AN UNDERLYING ZONING ORDERS.
UM, IT IS TOO MUCH TO TELL YOU ABOUT THE CASE, BUT WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH A CONDITIONAL ZONING SY CASE IS VERY MUCH WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
YOU CAN TAKE PROFFERS FROM THE LANDOWNER, WHICH EFFECTIVELY MITIGATES THE CONCERNS YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT IN A CUP AS WELL.
AND SO IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, WELL, LET'S PUT THIS, MY FAMOUS EXAMPLE BACK IN THE DAY BEFORE CONDITIONAL ZONING, I'M COMING TO YOU, SIR, FOR A GAS STATION ON THIS CORNER.
YOU APPROVE A COMMERCIAL ZONING.
NEXT THING YOU SEE IS A SITE PLAN FOR A NUCLEAR WASTE DUMP, BECAUSE THAT'S ALSO PERMITTED IN THE COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT.
CONDITIONAL ZONING PREVENTS THAT FROM EVER HAPPENING.
YOU COMMIT TO THE USE IN THE PROFFER.
SO, SO, AND I, I CAN'T, THE BOARD WILL NOT TELL ME, AND I DON'T EVEN WANT TO ASK, BUT IF WE WERE TO COME BACK IN WITH A COMMERCIAL ZONING PROFFER, UH, APPLICATION, THERE WOULD BE A PROFFER STATEMENT THAT EFFECTIVELY DOES WHAT A CUP WOULD DO, BUT IT WOULD BE A COMMERCIAL ZONE AND BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR WHAT MS. COLORS IS SUGGESTING.
UM, AND I, AND, AND WE'LL TALK TO MR. WINING ABOUT THAT OKAY.
AS A POSSIBLE SOLUTION TO CONCERNS YOU MAY HAVE SO THAT YOU'RE NOT AFFECTING THE AGRICULTURAL ZONE IN A WAY YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT.
I'M ALSO WONDERING IF, UM, UNDERSTANDING THAT COMMERCIAL WASN'T ORIGINALLY PROPOSED, BECAUSE IT'S NOT NEAR ANY OTHER COMMERCIAL, IT'S NOT NEAR ANY RESIDENTIAL.
IT IS NEAR THE AIRPORT, WHICH IS INDUSTRIAL.
UH, WOULD INDUSTRIAL ZONING BE SUITABLE FOR THIS USE CASE? I, I HAVEN'T, UH, I GOT INTO THIS AFTER IT WAS LONG UNDERWAY.
AND SO I HAD NOT ANY INPUT AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS PROCESS.
UH, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT, I THINK IN TO GO INDUSTRIAL IN THIS LOCATION.
CHASE IS IS AGREEING WITH YOU AND, AND WHAT, YOU'RE NOT LOOKING FOR A DA DATA CENTER.
WELL, AND DON'T GET ME STARTED ON THAT
I JUST ASK THE QUESTION BECAUSE THOSE ARE, UM, THE QUESTION PUT TO ME WAS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IN THE AGRICULTURAL AND SO FAR, EVENT CENTERS ARE, HAVE BEEN PART OF AN AGRICULTURAL TOURISM THING.
SUGGEST THIS WOULD NOT QUALIFY.
I'M NOT SUGGESTING ANYTHING HERE.
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AND JUST NO, NO.AND I WASN'T, I WASN'T INFERRING THAT YOU, THAT YOU, UH, TRUST ME AND I DIDN'T TAKE IT THAT WAY.
I'VE BEEN DOING THIS, THIS TOO LONG TO ASSUME OTHERWISE, UH, YOU RETAIN YOUR, YOUR DISCRETION IN THIS MATTER UNTIL THE MOMENT YOU VOTE.
UH, BUT, BUT IT, IT PROVIDES A, A REASONABLE THING FOR US TO CONSIDER AND WORK WITH MR. WENDLING ON.
I I'M GOING TO THROW OUT A, A WILD IDEA, JUST BRAINSTORMING PROBLEM SOLVING.
JOHN HERE, THIS COULD BE LAUGHED OUT BY EVERYBODY, BUT ANY POSSIBILITY THAT MR. S'S CLIENT WOULD SELL 18 ACRES TO YOUR CLIENT, THEN WE'VE GOT ENOUGH FOR A RURAL EVENT CENTER PART OF THE DEAL HERE.
SELL IT FOR TOP DOLLAR, PUT IN THOSE A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACKS, PUT A TREE LINE UP, A NOISE BUFFER, A VIEW BUFFER.
WELL THEN YOU HAVE MORE, MORE, MORE ROOM FOR YOUR, WHERE'S WALDO, MR. SLAC AND I ON SPEED DIAL TO EACH OTHER? CERTAINLY.
SO WE CAN CERTAINLY TALK HIM ABOUT YOU DO 18, 18 ACRES ABOVE MARKET VALUE TO COMPENSATE HIM FOR THE, WHOA, DON'T START NEGOTIATING FOR ME.
HE'S, HE'S GOTTA MAKE HIS MONEY
MR. CHAIRMAN, BEFORE WE ADJOURN, I MADE THE STATEMENT EARLIER THAT THE HEALTH INSURANCE IS ROUTINELY PROVIDED BY LOCALITIES TO OTHER, UM, ENTITIES.
I ALSO MADE THE INCORRECT STATEMENT THAT THERE WAS NOT A STATUTE ON THIS.
THERE IS, AND I'M GONNA LOOK AT IT AND I WILL TELL YOU WHETHER OR NOT YOU CAN PROVIDE HEALTH INSURANCE TO ANY VENDOR THAT PROVIDES, UM, LIBRARY SERVICE.
AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT ERROR EARLIER, BUT WE WILL HOLD THAT AGAINST YOU.
SO, WELL, IS THERE, IS THERE ANY, ANYTHING ELSE? AND I DO APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR INSIDE.
THAT'S WHY I ASKED YOU BECAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT A, UH, YOU LIVE IN A RURAL AREA AND YOU BROUGHT UP SOMETHING ABOUT THE AGRI AGRITOURISM THAT KIND OF LIKE SAID, OH, WELL THAT, THAT MAKES SENSE.
MORE OF A QUESTION THAN ANY SUGGESTION BECAUSE I DON'T FEEL THAT THAT'S MY PLACE AND I'M CERTAINLY NOT GONNA GET INTO, UM, ANY OF THAT.
I'M HERE TO LISTEN, LEARN, AND MAKE A DECISION AFTER ALL THE INFORMATION IS PUT OUT AND YEAH.
UM, SO I'M NOT SUGGESTING ANYTHING.
ALRIGHT BOB, IF I COULD TAKE A FEW MINUTES.
THIS IS, I KNOW THERE'S A VERY SMALL NUMBER OF PEOPLE HERE, BUT, UH, FOR ANYBODY LISTENING OR THAT LATER, HOPEFULLY NOT TOO LATER, WATCHES THE PUBLIC INPUT MEETING FOR THE HUNDO RAIL TRAIL IS THIS THURSDAY.
SO THAT'S TWO DAYS FROM NOW, FROM FIVE TO 7:00 PM I JUST WANT TO TRY TO CONTINUE TO INCREASE AWARENESS ABOUT THAT AND ALSO CONTINUE TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GO TO SHENANDOAH RAIL TRAIL.ORG AND UH, TAKE THE SURVEY.
AND AGAIN, THE FIRST SURVEY HAD OVER 9,000 RESPONDENTS AND WE ARE, ARE VERY HOPEFUL THAT A SIMILAR LEVEL OF PUBLIC INPUT HAS MADE, UH, TO TRY TO MOVE THIS, THIS PROJECT OFF THE DIME SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
AND THAT MEETING'S HERE IN THIS ROOM, RIGHT? THIS ROOM? OKAY.
I DID MY SURVEY THIS MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN, I JUST WANTED TO, UM, MAKE A COMMENT IF YOU DON'T MIND.
I THINK IT WAS LAST WEEK THAT THERE WAS, UM, SOME INFORMATION THAT WAS PUT OUT ABOUT HOW MUCH LEGAL FEES WERE THAT WE SPENT ON THE LIBRARY BOARD OR ACTUALLY THE LIBRARY IN TOTAL.
AND WE WERE GIVEN OUR, UM, A NUMBER LAST WEEK AND IT WAS $36,177 IS WHAT WE PUT OUT.
SO I JUST WANTED JUST TO WHAT TIMEFRAME? WHAT'S THAT? WHAT TIMEFRAME? WELL, RIGHT NOW I'M LOOKING, THIS WAS GIVEN TO EVERYBODY.
SO THIS WAS, UM, UH, AS OF JANUARY, 2023 TO 2 28, 20 25.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THAT, THAT, UM, I ASKED FOR THAT INFORMATION.
I DIDN'T DISSEMINATE IT OUT, SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT GOT OUT.
BUT, UM, I DON'T THINK IF, IF, IF WHAT I WAS TOLD IS CORRECT, THAT'S NOT A TRUE ACCOUNTING BECAUSE MR. HAM WASN'T SEPARATING OUT LIKE HE IS NOW, WHAT, WHAT HIS FEES ARE TOWARDS THAT.
AND THAT DOESN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, AND I MAY BE WRONG, CORRECT ME PLEASE IF I AM, BUT THAT DOESN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT STAFF HOURS OR THE SECURITY TIME SO THAT THAT'S NOT A TRUE AND ACCURATE ACCOUNT OF THAT AS WELL.
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SO THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE FOIA REQUESTS FOR THE AMOUNT SPENT BY THE COUNTY ON RELATED TO THE LIBRARY.AND SO I HAVE GONE THROUGH YOUR BILL AND COME UP WITH ESTIMATES OF THAT.
SOMETIMES IT'S EASY IF I SPENT AN HOUR ON DAY X, IT'S EASY.
SOMETIMES IT'S MIXED IN WITH OTHER THINGS.
SO THEY ARE ESTIMATES AND UM, THAT'S WHERE THOSE NUMBERS COME FROM.
BUT I, I BELIEVE THAT NUMBER TO BE AS ACCURATE AS IT CAN BE.
SO, UM, MS. COLE, AS FAR AS LEGAL EXPENSES GO, SO YOU'VE ASKED STAFF, UM, HOW MUCH TIME THEY'VE BEEN SPENDING ON THIS.
SO THAT'S, I ASKED, WE CAN ADD THAT TO THIS NUMBER.
I HAVE ASKED THEM FOR A NUMBER, BUT THEY HAVE ALSO NOT KEPT TRACK OF IT, BUT THERE HAD BEEN A, A LOT OF STAFF HOURS PUT INTO IT.
SO I WAS ASKED IF THAT NUMBER WAS REFLECTIVE AND THEY SAID IT'S PROBABLY IN THE BALLPARK AND I HAVE NOT REACHED OUT TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE TO FIND OUT HOW MUCH IT COST, UH, FOR THE SECURITY THAT WE HAD IN THE MULTIPLE MEETINGS THAT WE HAD THEM.
BUT THAT IS ALL PART AND PART OF, OF LEGAL PART PARCEL OF THE COST TO DEAL WITH THIS.
SO YOU'RE TOOK, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TOTAL COST.
BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT LEGAL FEES AND I THOUGHT THAT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
NO, NO, BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING THAT'S THE TOTAL COST OF EVERYBODY WHO HAD TOUCHED ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS.
I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, I THINK, UH, VERY GOOD.
WELL, I RECEIVED SOME CORRESPONDENCE THAT SAID THAT, UH, IT WAS OUTRAGEOUS THAT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS HAD BEEN SPENT TO FORM THE WARREN COUNTY LIBRARY BOARD.
IF WE HAD GONE WITH, AT THE TIME WHEN I ASKED FOR THAT INFORMATION THE FIRST TIME, AND I SAID THAT IT, IT WAS TAKEN OUTTA CONTEXT A LITTLE BIT.
I SAID IF WE GOT THE PR PERSON AND THE AMOUNT THAT WAS BEING TOUTED THAT WOULD BE SPENT ON THAT IN ADDITION TO THIS, WE'D BE CLOSE TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND BUCKS.
AND THAT'S NOT WHAT'S WHAT YEAH, OKAY.
FOR THE PEOPLE CAN SAY, CAN THANK FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
UH, THE OTHER THING IS THAT, THAT I HAVE ASKED THE COUNTY FOR IS THE BREAKDOWN OF THIS.
'CAUSE THIS IS GIVEN AS JANUARY 1ST FROM OF 2023 TO NOVEMBER 30TH, 2024 AS $19,000.
BUT FROM THE POINT OF THE WARREN COUNTY LIBRARY BOARD CREATION, WHICH WAS $5,500 THROUGH A NOTICE OF NON-RENEWAL, WHICH WAS $2,400.
I MEAN, OTHER THAN THE LAWSUIT PREPARATION, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING 13, $15,000.
SO THE ABILITY OR THE PROPENSITY OF NUMBERS TO BLOW UP INTO THE SUPERVISOR SPENT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO CREATE A LIBRARY BOARD.
WELL, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT THEIR STAFF TIME HAS BEEN SPENT, BUT THAT CANNOT, IF IT CANNOT BE QUANTIFIED AND DOCUMENTED, WE, WE CAN'T SAY WHAT IT IS.
I MEAN, I WE DON'T KNOW IF IT'S 50 OR 60 OR 10.
I MEAN, IF IT'S NOT RECORDED, THIS IS AN ATTORNEY'S BILL THAT WE HAVE DOCUMENTATION FOR.
SO HE SENDS A BILL, WE KNOW THIS NUMBER, UH, IF TO TO TO, IF WE'RE GONNA RECITE NUMBERS, THEY SHOULD BE DOCUMENTED NUMBERS.
THEY CANNOT REALLY LEGITIMATELY BE, WELL WE'VE HAD SECURITY HERE.
WELL, WE'VE HAD, UH, STAFF SPENDING TIME ON IT.
WELL, BUT THAT'S NOT A QUANTIFIED QUANTIFIED NUMBER.
BUT MY POINT IS, IT'S COSTING US A LOT OF MONEY AND THOSE COSTS NEED TO BE BUILT IN.
I, YOU KNOW, NEVER SAID THAT IT WAS AN ACCURATE NUMBER.
WHAT I SAID HERE, AND I THINK IT'S ON TAPE, IS THAT WITH WHAT I WAS TOLD SPENT AT THAT POINT IN TIME, AND IF WE HIRED THAT PERSON AT THE RATE THAT WE WERE BEING QUOTED, THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE CLOSE TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
AND I THINK THAT'S FAIRLY ACCURATE.
NOW WHAT SOMEBODY TOOK THAT AND THEN PUT OUT THEY, YOU KNOW, IF I BELIEVE EVERYTHING I SAW ON FACEBOOK, I'D BE A A, A BEAUTIFUL POINT'S POINT.
PEOPLE TAKE ANYTHING THEY WANT AND THEY ABSOLUTELY.
AND THEY SPIN IT INTO WHATEVER THEY WANT IT TO MEAN.
THAT'S WHY I DON'T INTERACT ON FACEBOOK WITH THIS NONSENSE.
SO I'VE SEEN THE INACCURACIES.
THAT'S A HOLE I'LL NEVER GET OUT OF.
AND I, I STAND BY THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T GIVE YOU AN EXACT, THAT'S WHY I SAID WE ARE CLOSE TO, BUT WE DIDN'T HIRE THAT PERSON.
AND I'M GONNA ASSUME WE'RE NOT.
SO WE ARE NOT ANYWHERE NEAR A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS AT THIS POINT DOWN TO 50.
HE ALSO, YOU I THINK, ASSIGNED A HUNDRED PERCENT TO THE LIBRARY WHEN, AND, AND, UH, THE, THE, THE TERMINOLOGY
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THAT MR. JONES CLARIFIED WAS COMMUNICATIONS, UH, PERSON WHO WAS WHO.AND, AND YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT IN THIS TIME FUTURE, I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY AN OPPORTUNITY THAT'S NOT SO CLOSELY RELATED TO THIS CONTROVERSY IN WHICH A ROLE FOR, FOR A COMMUNICATIONS PROFESSIONAL FOR THE BOARD, THE SCHOOL BOARD WANTS THE SAME THING IS APPROPRIATE.
SO YEAH, THE, I I, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T, UH, I THINK THAT KIND OF GOT OUTTA HAND AND I THINK WE'RE IN AN OKAY PLACE WITH THAT RIGHT NOW.
BUT, BUT IT'S NOW BEEN INCORPORATED INTO THAT'S WHAT THE BOARD DID.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S NOT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY, BUT NO, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE, THE ERRONEOUS INFORMATION FLOATING AROUND AND THERE'S A LOT OF IT.
WELL, THANKS FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
UM, I, I'D LIKE TO TALK TO STAFF TO SEE HOW MUCH THAT NUMBER IS.
BE TOTAL WOULD BE A TOTAL GUESSTIMATE, MA'AM.
YEAH, BECAUSE THIS, I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT, HOW MANY HOURS I SPENT TWO YEARS AGO.
DID YOU SAY GUESSTIMATE? I DID SAY YES.
SO YOU MEAN THAT, I MEAN, GUESSTIMATE, I GOT IT.
THAT'S, THAT'S, YOU CAN'T EVEN GIVE US A SWAG.
WHEN YOU WERE TALKING IN SUMMER TWO YEARS AGO, UH, EXTENDING THE LIBRARY AGREEMENT FOR 90 DAYS, FOUR.
AND AFTER THAT, THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT.
I HAVE NO IDEA HOW MANY HOURS WE SPENT.
WE WENT THROUGH WHAT, FOUR ITERATIONS OF THE FUNDING AGREEMENT A YEAR AGO.
THAT, THAT, HOW MANY CONVERSATIONS YOU WERE CHAIR AT THE TIME AND HOW MANY CONVERSATIONS YOU AND I GOT COUNTED HAND.
WELL, YOU KNOW, AND FRANKLY, THAT'S THE BUSINESS OF THE COUNTY.
WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TIME STAFF SPENT NEGOTIATING WITH THE NEIGHBORING COUNTY AND WHAT OUR WHAT OUR TRANSFER, WHAT OUR DUMPING FEES ARE GONNA BE.
THEY'RE JUST ADMIT YOU'RE JUST ADMINISTERING THE COUNTY.
I'M GONNA CARRY THAT WITH THE REST
SO, SO BEFORE WE ADJOURN, I DO WANNA MENTION ONE THING, AND THAT'S, UH, TO, TO PLEASE WORK THROUGH DR.
UH, IF YOU'RE GONNA BE DEALING WITH STAFF, AND THIS IS NOT ONLY FOR THE, UH, FOR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, BUT FOR ANY OF THE, UH, ANY OF THE OTHER BOARDS THAT WE'VE SET UP.
IF, IF THEY'RE GONNA BE DEALING WITH STAFF IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM, MAKE SURE THAT YOU GO THROUGH DR.
DALEY FIRST BECAUSE THE, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, IT'S A CHAIN OF COMMAND.
HE'S THE GUY THAT, UH, IF THINGS GET ALL MUCKED UP, HE'S THE GUY THAT I GO AND, AND, UH, AND, AND THUMP.
AND IF HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON BECAUSE WE'RE GOING AROUND HIM, THEN WE CAN'T HOLD HIM ACCOUNTABLE.
AND, UH, SO THEREFORE IT IS, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT IF YOU'RE WORKING WITH STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU LET DR.
DALEY KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING, WHO YOU'RE DOING IT WITH, WHY YOU'RE DOING IT.
BECAUSE HE MAY TAKE A LOOK AT YOU AND SAY, WELL, WE'RE ALREADY DOING THAT AND IT'S THIS PERSON OVER HERE WHO'S DOING IT.
AND YOU GO, OH, OKAY, WELL THEN I WON'T TALK TO THEM.
UH, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SO MOVED.