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CHRISTOPHER WELLER CAMPGROUND, YOU TWO AS WELL? VICTORIA.
UH, MR. MALTES, I ASSUME THAT YOU'RE HERE FOR YOUR OWN? YES.
UM, ALSO WITH THE DEEMS NOT SPEAKING.
THEN WE DO NOT HAVE ANYONE WHO WOULD JUST SPEAK.
IS THERE ANYONE THAT WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, THAT DID NOT SIGN A SHEET? WELL, ONCE PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS ARE CLOSED, UM, NEXT
[VI.G. Request for Withdrawal from Rockland Ag-Forestal District - Milldale Farm, LLC - A request for withdrawal from the Rockland Agricultural - Forestal district. The properties are located at 959 Milldale Farm Rd. and is identified on tax map 7, as lots 1A and 2. The properties are zoned Agricultural (A) and are located in the Milldale Farm - John W. Warner - Catherine Conover land in the Shenandoah Magisterial District. - Matt Wendling, Planning Director]
WE'LL MOVE TO PUBLIC HEARINGS.AND WE WERE GOING TO START WITH LETTER G.
REQUEST FOR WITHDRAWAL FROM ROCKLAND AGRICULTURE FOREST DISTRICT PROPERTIES ARE LOCATED AT 9 59 MILL DEAL FARM ROAD, AND IS IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP SEVEN AS LOTS ONE A AND TWO, THE PROPERTIES ARE ZONED AGRICULTURE, A AND ARE LOCATED IN THE DALE FARM, JOHN W. WARNER.
CATHERINE CONOVER LAND IN THE SHENANDOAH MAGISTRATE DISTRICT.
UH, THE APPLICANTS ARE REQUESTING, UH, THIS ON BEHALF OF THEIR CLIENT, DALE FARM, LLC, UH, COUNTY PLANNING STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING SINCE WITH THEM SINCE OCTOBER, 2024 TO GET THE AG FORESTRY DISTRICT ADVISORY COMMITTEE TOGETHER.
UM, THE LAST TIME THEY DID MEET WAS, UH, 2020.
UM, THE APPLICANTS ARE REQUESTING THE REMOVAL BECAUSE THE OWNER IS PUTTING THE PROPERTY IN A CONSERVATION EASEMENT TO BE HELD BY THE OLD DOMINION LAND CONSERVANCY AND IS TO BE DONE, UH, FOR TAX PURPOSES AND VALUATION REASONS.
THEY MAY REQUEST, UH, HAVING THE PROPERTIES PUT BACK INTO ROCKLAND AG FORESTAL DISTRICT DURING THE 2030 RENEWAL PERIOD, DEPENDING ON MANY FACTORS RELATING TO THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT AND OTHER POTENTIAL RESTRICTIONS.
UM, THIS EVENING, THE COMMITTEE, UH, AG FORESTAL COMMITTEE DID MEET, UH, WITH THE APPLICANTS WITH PLANNING STAFF AND, UM, DISCUSSED THE REQUEST.
UH, THE APPLICANT'S, UH, EXCUSE ME, THE, THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, UH, MOTION TO, UM, UNANIMOUSLY FORWARD TO NOTHING TO REMOVE THE, UH, PROPERTIES IN QUESTION DALE FARM PROPERTIES FROM THE ROCKLAND, UH, AGRICULTURAL FORESTRY DISTRICT, UH, IN ORDER FOR THEM TO PURSUE A CONSERVATION
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EASEMENT.UH, A LITTLE BIT OF THE HISTORY, I'LL JUST GO OVER THESE PROPERTIES ARE SOME OF THE ORIGINAL ONES THAT HAVE BEEN IN THE ROCKLAND AGRICULTURAL FORESTRY DISTRICT SINCE ITS ADOPTION.
MAY 16TH, 1978, THE FIRST IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA.
AND AT THE TIME THEY WERE, WERE OWNED BY THE JOHN W. WARNER LIFE ESTATE AND CATHERINE CON M CONOVER, UH, 1718 INVESTMENTS.
THEY'RE NOW UNDER THE OWNERSHIP OF DALE FARM, LLC.
UH, THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, UH, IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IDENTIFIES THIS AREA TO BE USED FOR AGRICULTURAL LAND PURPOSES AND A FARM USED FOR AGRICULTURAL PURSUITS AND LAND, LAND USES, WHICH INCLUDE TENANT HOUSES ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE CURRENT WARREN COUNTY, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH WAS RECENTLY APPROVED.
UM, THE APPLICANT'S, UH, UH, LEGAL REPRESENTATIVE, MS. MS, UH, CRAWFORD IS HERE, UH, TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, AND I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE OF ME.
WOULD THE, UH, APPLICANT LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING? UH, YES.
I REPRESENT DALE FARM, AND WE ARE REQUESTING, AS NOTED THAT 750 ACRES BE REMOVED FROM THE AG DISTRICT IN ORDER TO PUT THESE PROTECTIONS IN PERPETUITY THROUGH AN EASEMENT THAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY THE STATE.
BUT IN ORDER TO FACILITATE THAT, WE DO NEED TO REMOVE IT FROM THE AG DISTRICT FIRST, AND THEN WE WOULD LIKE TO REVISIT THIS IN 2030 TO THEN GO BACK INTO THE AG DISTRICT.
THE EASEMENT DOES NOT PREVENT THAT, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO PURSUE OTHER CONSERVATION APPROACHES FOR THE PROPERTY IN THE FUTURE.
SO WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU APPROVE THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING? WE'RE GOOD FOR NOW.
I'D LIKE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST OR DIDN'T SIGN? PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
UH, I'M, MY NAME IS DAVID BRAMAN, 9 38 SHANGRILA ROAD.
AND MAY I SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE AS A MEMBER OF IT? SURE.
UM, SO FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU.
I THINK IT'S, IT'S TERRIFIC THAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND THE COUNTY BROUGHT THE COMMITTEE BACK TOGETHER FOR THIS VERY WORK, AND THAT THIS PROJECT IS REALLY EXEMPLARY OF WHAT WE CAN DO TO PROTECT OUR LANDS.
UM, I'LL READ YOU A VERY BRIEF STATEMENT THAT FOLLOWS FROM A MEETING WE HELD, UH, UH, JUST JUST BEFORE THIS.
UM, THE COMMITTEE DISCUSSED MANY POINTS, UM, SOME AIMED AT EXPLORING THE POSSIBILITIES FOR UNANTICIPATED NEGATIVE IMPACTS, UM, OR VULNERABILITIES IF THE PARCELS WOULD BE REMOVED FROM THE AG AND FORESTVILLE DISTRICT.
UM, AS A RESULT OF THAT CONVERSATION, WE ALL AGREED IN THE DISCUSSION, UH, THAT WE ALL AGREED THAT AND FELT VERY STRONGLY THAT THERE ARE MORE AND MORE DURABLE PROPOSED, UH, EXCUSE ME, CONSERVATION VALUES AND THEREFORE STRONGER PROTECTIONS OF COUNTY INTERESTS IN THE TERMS OF, OF THE PROPOSED CONSERVATION EASEMENT THAN IN THOSE PROVIDED BY THE AGON FORESTAL DISTRICT DESIGNATION.
UM, IT WAS FELT THAT THE TERMS OF THE EASEMENT AS PRESENTED WILL DO MORE TO PROTECT THE LAND, THE SOIL VIEW SHEDS WATER QUALITY, RECREATIONAL ENJOYMENT OF THE RIVER, AS WELL AS OVERALL APPEAL OF THE OWNER'S LANDS.
AND OF THIS PART OF THE COUNTY'S LARGER LANDSCAPE, INCLUDING THE ROCKLAND DISTRICT.
UM, THE DISCUSSION DID NOT IDENTIFY ANY SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS OR CONSEQUENCES THAT WOULD COME FROM THE REQUESTED DELISTING, SO LONG AS THE TERMS OF THE PROPOSED, THE, THE PROPOSED CONSERVATION EASEMENT ARE ENGAGED AS THEY'RE CURRENTLY WRITTEN.
SO, AND THANK YOU, DANNY, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? ANY QUESTIONS? THANK, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK?
I'M SUSAN BOWEN, AND, UM, I LIVE AT 27 32 ROCKLAND ROAD.
UM, AND I'VE BEEN SERVING AS ON THIS ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT FOR QUITE A LONG TIME.
UM, I HAVE LAND THAT'S IN THE AG DISTRICT.
I HAVE LAND THAT'S IN THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT AS WELL.
AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY, I, I HOPE YOU WITH WILL WITHDRAW THIS AS THEY HAVE REQUESTED, UM, BECAUSE I, I ABSOLUTELY THINK THERE'S NOTHING BETTER THAT THE LANDOWNER CAN DO TO PRESERVE LAND, UH, THAN TO PUT IT IN A CONSERVATION EASEMENT, WHICH PROTECTS IT FOREVER FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS.
UM, AND I'M JUST VERY GRATEFUL TO, TO JOHN WARNER
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FOR DOING THAT.ANYONE ELSE? SEEING NO ONE COME FORWARD? PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
COMMENTS, QUESTIONS OR A MOTION? I'LL JUST SAY I THINK THIS IS, UM, IT'S GREAT.
UM, I'D LOVE TO SEE MORE LAND PUT INTO CONSERVATION.
UM, AND AS HAS BEEN STATED, THIS IS, UM, A BIGGER COMMITMENT TO CONSERVATION THAN THE, UM, THAN THE DISTRICT PROVIDES.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE OPEN TO REVISITING, UH, IN 2030 ONCE IT REOPENS.
UH, WITH THAT, UH, MR. CHAIR, I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST FROM DALE FARM LLC TO REMOVE TAX MAP SEVEN PARCEL ONE A AND TAX MAP SEVEN PARCEL TWO FROM THE ROCKLAND AGRICULTURAL FORESTAL DISTRICT, BASED ON RECOMMENDATIONS MADE BY THE AGRICULTURAL FORESTAL DISTRICT ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND BY THE PLANNING STAFF IN ORDER TO QUALIFY FOR A CONSERVATION EASEMENT.
I'LL SECOND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT, IT'LL MOVE ON TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
[VI.A. CUP2025-02-02 - Campground - Carl & Jennifer Ey - A request for a conditional use permit for a campground. The properties are located at 1406 Panhandle Road, (0) Panhandle Road, (0) Panhandle Road, 1408 Panhandle Road and 1090 Panhandle Road and are identified on tax map 35 as lots 5-1, 5- 2, 5-3, 5B-1, and 10A. The properties are zoned Agricultural (A) and are located in the South River Magisterial District. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator]
A CUP 20 25 0 2 0 2 CAMPGROUND, CARL AND JENNIFER, YA REQUEST FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT CAMPGROUND.THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED 1406 PANHANDLE ROAD ZERO, PANHANDLE ROAD, 1408 PANHANDLE ROAD, 10 90 PANHANDLE ROAD, AND ARE IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 35 AS SLOTS FIVE DASH ONE FIVE DASH TWO FIVE DASH THREE FIVE B DASH ONE AND 10 A.
THE PROPERTIES ARE ZONED AGRICULTURE A ARE LOCATED IN THE SOUTH RIVER MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT, MR. LINZ.
THE APPLICANTS ARE REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A CAMPGROUND FOR FIVE PARCELS TOTALING APPROXIMATELY 132 ACRES OF CONTIGUOUS LAND ACCESSED BY PANHANDLE ROAD.
THE OWNERS WOULD LIKE TO ESTABLISH A CAMPGROUND IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED RURAL EVENTS FACILITY TO HELP PROMOTE TOURISM, ENHANCE OUTDOOR RECREATION OPPORTUNITIES, SUPPORT LOCAL BUSINESSES, AND TO PRESERVE THE NATURAL LANDSCAPE WITH OVER 130 CONTIGUOUS ACRES OF LAND AT APPROXIMATELY 3000 FEET OF RIVER FRONTAGE ALONG THE SOUTH FORK OF THE SHENANDOAH RIVER.
THE APPLICANTS ARE PROPOSING 200 PRIMITIVE TENTS AND RECREATIONAL VEHICLE CAMPING UNITS ALONG THE FLOODPLAIN AREA.
THE OWNERS WILL MINIMIZE CONSTRUCTION OF PERMANENT STRUCTURES WITHIN THE SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA, BUT ANY DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE FLOODPLAIN OVERLAY DISTRICT REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE WARREN COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE.
UH, SO AS MENTIONED, UH, THE SINGLE, WELL, THE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS LOCATED AT 1406 AND 1408 PANHANDLE ROAD, WERE APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS BACK IN 2021 FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS FOR SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTALS.
AND, UH, THE FOUR PARCELS IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 35 AS LOTS FIVE DASH ONE FIVE DASH TWO FIVE DASH THREE AND FIVE B DASH ONE WERE APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IN 2022 FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A RURAL EVENTS FACILITY.
UH, THE PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE BEEN WORKING TOWARD ESTABLISHING THE RURAL EVENT FACILITY LAND USE ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES SINCE APPROVAL IN 2022.
AND THEY WERE, UH, RECENTLY GRANTED AN EXTENSION ON THAT BACK IN OCTOBER OF 2024.
UH, SO AS MENTIONED, THE APPLICANTS ARE REQUESTING A WAIVER TO THE SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATION, WHICH PLACES A 100 CAMPING UNIT LIMIT AS A MAXIMUM TO REQUEST, UH, 200 CAMPING UNITS BASED ON THE TOTAL CONTIGUOUS ACREAGE OF THE PROPOSED CAMPGROUND.
UH, AS I MENTIONED, IT'S APPROXIMATELY 132 ACRES IN THE EXTENSIVE LENGTH OF, UH, RIVER FRONTAGE ALONG THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES, UH, IN THE PROPOSED ENTRANCE TO THE CAMPGROUND IS OFF OF VDOT MAINTAINED PANHANDLE ROAD.
THE APPLICANTS WILL APPLY THROUGH FOR THE NECESSARY PERMITS THROUGH VDOT AND COMPLETE THE REQUIRED ENTRANCE IMPROVEMENTS PRIOR TO, UH, ESTABLISHING, UH, THE LAND USE.
UH, WE DID GET A LATE LETTER FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF CONSERVATION AND RECREATION, UH, WHICH IS A, A NEARBY PROPERTY.
IT'S A STATE PARK, UH, AND THEY HAD SOME GENERAL RECOMMENDATIONS ON, UH, UM, SOME OF THE RIPARIAN BUFFERS AND MINIMIZING THE IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT AND VIEW SHED.
UM, BUT ASIDE FROM THAT, UH, WE ARE WORKING WITH THE FOLLOWING RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.
UH, NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH, OFFICE OF DRINKING WATER, WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, AND WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS IN VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.
NUMBER TWO, THE APPLICANT SHALL SUBMIT
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A SITE PLAN, INCLUDING SUFFICIENT DETAIL FOR THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR TO DETERMINE THAT THE SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS FOR CAMPGROUNDS SET FORTH IN WARREN COUNTY CODE SUBSECTION 180 DASH 41 WILL BE SATISFIED.THE SITE PLAN SHALL COMPLY WITH WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PERMIT CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.
NUMBER THREE, THE APPLICANT SHALL BE APPROVED FOR THE REQUIRED CAMPGROUND APPLICATION, ONSITE SEWAGE DISPOSAL SYSTEM PERMIT APPLICATIONS, AND PUBLIC WATER SUPPLY PERMIT APPLICATIONS THROUGH THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF ZONING.
NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT SHALL OBTAIN A LAND USE PERMIT THROUGH THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION FOR THE REQUIRED IN IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ENTRANCE TO THE CAMPGROUND.
ALL REQUIRED ENTRANCE IMPROVEMENTS SHALL BE COMPLETED PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF ZONING.
NUMBER FIVE, ANY DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA SHALL REQUIRE ISSUANCE OF BUILDING AND ZONING PERMITS AND SHALL CONFORM WITH THE FLOODPLAIN OVERLAY DISTRICT REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS SET FORTH IN WARREN COUNTY CODES SUBSECTION 180 DASH 16 NUMBER SIX, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE WELL WATER TESTED ANNUALLY FOR E CO AND COLIFORM BACTERIA.
A COPY OF THE RESULT SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING AND HEALTH DEPARTMENTS.
NUMBER SEVEN, THE MAXIMUM LENGTH OF STAY FOR CAMPGROUND GUESTS SHALL NOT EXCEED 14 CONSECUTIVE DAYS IN DURATION.
NUMBER EIGHT, THE PARKING AREAS FOR CAMPGROUND GUESTS SHALL BE IN LOCATIONS APPROVED BY PLANNING STAFF DURING THE SITE PLAN REVIEW PROCESS, AND SHALL HAVE A DUST-FREE SURFACE.
NUMBER NINE, ALL OUTDOOR LIGHTING FIXTURES SHALL COMPLY WITH WARREN COUNTY CODE SUBSECTION 180 DASH DASH 49.2.
NUMBER 10, THE PARKING AREAS AND ENTRANCE TO THE CAMPGROUND SHALL MEET THE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS OF WARREN COUNTY CODE SUBSECTION 180 DASH 49.1.
AND NUMBER 11, THE APPLICANT SHALL SUBMIT A FIRE SAFETY PLAN AND THE PLAN SHALL BE APPROVED BY THE WARREN COUNTY BUILDING OFFICIAL PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF ZONING.
COPY OF THE APPROVED FIRE SAFETY PLAN IN CHAPTER 1 23 OF THE WARREN COUNTY CODE SHALL BE POSTED AT EACH CAMPING UNIT.
NUMBER 12, THE CAMPGROUND SHALL HAVE AT LEAST ONE FIRE EXTINGUISHER FOR EVERY FIVE CAMPING UNITS AVAILABLE FOR USE BY CAMPGROUND GUESTS.
NUMBER 13 SIGN SHALL BE POSTED THROUGHOUT THE CAMPGROUND PROMOTING LITTER CONTROL AND RECYCLING TRASH RECEPTACLE SUFFICIENT TO ACCOMMODATE ALL CAMPSITE TRASH SHALL BE PLACED THROUGHOUT THE CAMPGROUND AND SHALL BE SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN.
DOG WASTE RECEPTACLE SHALL BE STRATEGICALLY PLACED IN PROXIMITY TO WALKING PATHS IN COMMON AREAS AND SHALL BE SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN.
NUMBER 14, PLANNING STAFF SHALL INSPECT THE CAMPGROUND TO VERIFY COMPLIANCE WITH WARREN COUNTY CODE SUBSECTION 180 DASH 41 AND ALL CONDITIONS PLACED ON THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF ZONING AND CONDITION.
SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO GRANT THE WAIVER FOR THE NUMBER OF CAMPING UNITS A WAIVER TO WARREN COUNTY CODE SUBSECTION 180 DASH 41 C ONE A SHALL BE GRANTED TO ALLOW FOR NO MORE THAN 200 CAMPING UNITS WITHIN THE CAMPGROUND.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED, UH, THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US, THANK YOU.
WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING TO MR. LIN'S COMMENTS? I WOULD SAY PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.
I, UH, I LIVE AT 8,100 MCKITRICK ROAD IN PLAIN CITY, OHIO.
UM, I THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING THIS MATTER TONIGHT.
UH, AND I GUESS I JUST WANTED TO ADD A LITTLE CONTEXT IN TERMS OF THE FACT THAT WE HAVE OWNED THE ADJACENT PROPERTY AS MR. LEN SAID, UH, FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW.
UH, AND WE'RE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO BUY THE, UH, THE, THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION AT THIS POINT.
AND, UM, WE, WE USE THAT PROPERTY.
UM, I, I FEEL LIKE THE CONCERNS THAT, UH, PEOPLE HAVE ARE IN PRESERVING THE, THE BEAUTY AND THE SOLITUDE AND THE QUIET.
UM, AND WE HAVE NO INTENTION OF DISRUPTING THAT.
I MEAN, FIRST AND FOREMOST, THIS IS, UM, OF, OF VACATION HOME FOR US.
WE WILL PL WE CONTINUE TO WANT TO USE IT IN THAT MANNER.
UM, THE, THE A 200 SITE, UH, CAMPGROUND, UM, SEEMS A LITTLE BIT OF A MISNOMER FOR ME BECAUSE IT IS, UM, THAT'S, AND AS MR LENS JUST WENT THROUGH ALL THE REQUIREMENTS TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT'S, UH, THAT'S A HUGE PROJECT AND COST PROHIBITIVE.
UH, WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO ACCOMPLISH IS BEING ABLE TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE RIVER, UH, IN, IN, UM, GROW OUR AIRBNB PRESENCE.
UH, WE CURRENTLY DO AIRBNB AT OUR, UH, EXISTING HOME WHEN WE'RE NOT USING IT, UH, GROW THAT PRESENCE, UH, CLOSER TO THE RIVER.
AND THE WAY THAT WE CAN DO THAT IS THROUGH, UH, TEMPORARY STRUCTURES, TINY HOMES, IF YOU WILL, WHICH FALL INTO THE CATEGORY OF A, AN RV.
SO I THINK THIS IS WHAT DRIVES US INTO A CAMPGROUND TYPE, UM, PROCESS.
AND A, UH, FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
AND I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
UM, THAT'S A, A MUCH BIGGER PROJECT THAN WE COULD GET TO IN THE NEXT FIVE TO 10 YEARS.
UM, WE CURRENTLY HAVE APPROVAL FOR A, A LEACH FIELD FOR, UM, I THINK UP TO UP TO FIVE UNITS.
SO IT'S, IT'S, UH, UM, I JUST WANNA CONVEY THAT I HOPE THIS IS LESS OF A CONCERN THEN PEOPLE ARE IMAGINING
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IF YOU, IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE NEVA CONTEXT, UM, WE'VE TAKEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO MEET WITH SEVERAL OF OUR NEIGHBORS OR ATTEMPTED TO MEET WITH SEVERAL OF OUR NEIGHBORS, UH, TO EXPLAIN THAT IN PERSON AND JUST ALLAY ANY CONCERNS.UH, WE WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT, THAT COMMUNICATION, UH, TO MAINTAIN THE, THE QUIET AND SOLITUDE.
UH, THE LAST THING I'LL MENTION IS JUST THE PRESENCE PIECE.
UM, BY EXPANDING OUR, OUR RENTAL, UM, FOOTPRINT CLOSER TO THE RIVER GIVES US MORE PRESENCE DOWN THERE.
UM, I MEAN, AND, AND RIGHT NOW, AS, AS WE'VE TALKED TO MANY OF OUR NEIGHBORS, UH, THERE ARE TRESPASSERS DOWN THERE AND THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING THAT SHOULDN'T BE HAPPENING.
UM, AND SO WE FEEL LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVING, HAVING ADDITIONAL STRUCTURES THAT WE WOULD OWN, UH, DOWN THERE, OUR PROPERTY MANAGER WILL BE AROUND MORE.
UM, WE WILL HAVE, HAVE MORE EYES ON, UM, ADDITIONAL CAMERAS IN ADDITION TO THE ONES WE ALREADY HAVE.
UM, AND, AND SOME OF THAT DISRUPTION THAT THE PARK IS EXPRESSING NOISE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT LIGHTS, UH, ACTIVITY THAT SHOULDN'T BE HAPPENING OUT THERE, UH, WOULD BE LIMITED BY ADDITIONAL, UM, EYES ON PRESENCE.
SO, SORRY, I RAN A LITTLE ALONG THERE, BUT, UH, JUST WANTED TO, TO PASS THAT ALONG AND I'M OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS.
ACTUALLY, I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
WHAT COULD SHE, SHE DOES HAVE A QUESTION.
WHY ARE YOU HERE? UM, I WAS JUST KIND OF EYEING THE MAP AND UM, I KNOW I NOTED THAT YOU SAID THAT YOU DON'T PLAN ON INTENDING ON HAVING THAT MANY SPOTS, BUT THERE ARE QUITE A BIT THAT ARE MARKED ON THE MAP AS PRIMITIVE.
UM, SO I GUESS THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CHALLENGE IS CHICKEN OR THE EGG TRYING TO GET THE PLAT DONE IN ORDER TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS TO HAVE THE HEARING, NOT KNOWING KIND OF WHAT OUR FINANCIAL LIMITATIONS ARE IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO DO IT.
WE JUST DIDN'T WANNA LIMIT OURSELVES IN TERMS OF, UH, WHAT WE COULD DO WITH THE PROPERTY, UH, OVER THE LONG TERM.
UM, SO THAT, THAT'S THE TRY TO MAXIMIZE OUR, OUR INVESTMENT HERE IN TERMS OF, UH, UH, GETTING EVERYTHING WE CAN OUT IN THE OPEN.
UM, BUT THAT REALLY ISN'T THE INTENT IN THE NEAR TERM.
SO THE PLAN, THE MORE IMMEDIATE PLAN IS USE THAT ONLY HOW, HOW MANY THE, UM, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE LEACH FIELD.
UM, SO I, I THINK TO HAVE MORE THAN 10, 10 UNITS, YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A PUMP HOUSE AND ALL OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS THAT WERE TALKED ABOUT.
UM, THIS IS A, A PERMANENT SEPTIC LEACH FIELD KIND OF THING.
THAT WOULD BE, UH, I THINK IT PERKS FOR FIVE UNITS.
I THINK THERE'S AN ABILITY TO WORK WITH THAT WHEN WE DON'T HAVE A, A PERMANENT RESIDENCE.
UM, SO I THINK IT'S, THE IMMEDIATE PRESENCE WOULD BE FIVE TO 10 AT THE MOST.
AND SEE, THESE ARE MINI HOMES, SO IT WOULDN'T BE TRAILER PEOPLE COMING IN WITH.
SO, UH, OUR INITIAL THOUGHT IS, AND, AND OUR INVESTMENT POTENTIAL IS, UH, IT WOULD MAYBE BE TWO OF THE MINI HOMES.
AND AGAIN, THOSE ARE ON, ON TRAILERS, IF YOU WILL.
UM, THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO BE PULLED AWAY FROM THE RIVER IN THE EVENT OF A, OF A FLOOD STAGE KIND OF THING.
UH, WE'RE VERY AWARE OF THE FLOOD PLAIN THERE.
UM, SO MAYBE TWO OF THOSE, UH, TWO OR THREE, UM, UH, PRIMITIVE CAMPSITES, YOU KNOW, JUST A SAFELY BUILT, UH, FLAT AREA FOR A TENT AND A, A FIRE PIT, SAFE FIRE PIT AREA.
AND, UH, AND POTENTIALLY, UM, A COUPLE OF, UH, KIND OF GLAMPING TENT PLATFORM TYPE OF THINGS, A LITTLE BACK FROM THE RIVER.
SO THERE WILL STILL BE TRAILERS COMING IN AND STUFF LIKE THAT? NO.
SO THE, THE TWO MINI HOMES THAT I MENTIONED, WE WOULD OWN THOSE.
THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD GO IN THERE, THEY WOULD BE, UH, AS, UM, AS PERMANENT AS WE CAN MAKE THEM.
I THINK THERE'S A REQUIREMENT TO PULL THEM, TO MOVE THEM PERIODICALLY.
UH, SO THEY WOULD BE MOVED AS, AS REQUIRED.
UH, AND IN THE EVENT OF A, LIKE I SAID, A FLOOD WHERE WE WOULD WANNA PROTECT THEM, UH, IT, THE, UM, DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, VDOT AND THE ABILITY FOR A COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE THAT WOULD ACCOMMODATE, YOU KNOW, UM, FIFTH WHEELS OR, YOU KNOW, BIG RVS IS DEFINITELY COST PROHIBITIVE.
WE'VE, WE'VE SKETCHED THAT OUT AND THAT'S, THAT'S DEFINITELY NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
SO THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY RVS DOWN THERE.
SO WHAT'S THE MAXIMUM LENGTH OF VEHICLE? UH, TRAILER? TRAILER OR VEHICLE? I WOULD HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT, BUT I, I KNOW THAT THE, UM, THE RVS, YOU KNOW, THAT THE, YOU KNOW, TAILORABLE RVS, UH, WOULD NOT BE PERMISSIBLE.
I THINK OUR, OUR, OUR INTENT WOULD BE, UNLESS YOU'RE, IT'S A PRIMITIVE SITE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE COMING TO OUR SMALL HOME, OUR TINY HOMES OR OUR GLAMPING SITE, THERE WOULDN'T BE ANYTHING OTHER THAN A TRUCK.
SO I KNOW WHAT PRIMITIVE, LIKE
SO OTHER, OTHER THAN A, A, YOU KNOW, A TRUCK
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THAT MIGHT BE PULLING A, A, A TRAILER FOR LUGGAGE OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES, WE WOULD NOT ANTICIPATE, UM, POP-UP CAMPERS OR THINGS LIKE THAT.OR A 35 FOOT TRAILER, UH, THAT WOULD, THAT WE WOULD NEED TO TELL THEM NO, IF WE WERE AWARE OF IT.
I MEAN, AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT, NOT THE PLAN.
I GUESS WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I'M ASSUMING WE HAVE A SIGN UP, BUT BEFORE WE GET STARTED, TWO, WE'RE GONNA LIMIT THOSE TO THREE MINUTES.
ALL WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP ALL COMMENTS DIRECTED TOWARDS THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
'CAUSE WE'RE THE ONES VOTING NOT TO OTHER MEMBERS IN THE AUDIENCE, PLEASE ALL.
AND, UH, WE WANT TO HEAR FROM Y'ALL, SO NO, NO PROMISE.
NO, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO APPLAUSE OR BOO EITHER.
JUST FOR, YEAH, THE RULES ARE OVER THERE.
YEAH, THERE'S THE RULES THERE IF YOU WANNA READ 'EM ALL, BUT, UH, JUST, JUST BE NICE.
YOU WANT MY NAME AND ALL THAT STUFF? YEAH.
NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE FOR THE RECORD.
MIKE OLMSTEAD, 3 29 TWIN OAKS DRIVE.
UH, SO, UM, I'M THE, UH, JUST TO GET WHY I'M COMING HERE, I'M THE, UH, PRESIDENT OF THE RIVER OAK, HOA, WHICH IS JUST THE DATE ADJACENT TO THAT PART, THAT PROPERTY.
UM, AND, UH, AND GENTLE AND CARL TALKED TO SOME OF OUR, OUR, UH, MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY, UM, AND GOT THE WORD ABOUT EIGHT PRIMITIVE CAMPING SITES IN TWO TINY HOMES, AND WAS NOT TOO CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
UH, ONE OTHER THING THAT WAS MENTIONED AS ONE OF OUR RESIDENTS WAS THAT THERE'S NO ONSITE MANAGEMENT OF THEIR CAMPGROUND.
THEY HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE PEOPLE DOING THE, THE CLEANUP WHEN, UH, CAMPERS LEAVE, BUT THERE'S NO ONSITE MANAGEMENT AND THERE'S A HISTORY BACK GOING BACK TO, WITH THE PREVIOUS OWNER OF THAT PROPERTY HAD A CAMPGROUND THERE AS WELL, ABOUT A HUNDRED, A HUNDRED MEMBERS, A HUNDRED CAMPSITES THERE.
AND IT WAS A EXTREME, NOT EXTREME, BUT IT WAS AN ISSUE WITH THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF TRASH.
THERE WAS A LOT OF NOISE, UM, TRESPASSING IN, IN THE, IN THE HOA COMMUNITY DRIVING IN THE HOA, UM, MAINTAINED ROADS.
UM, AND THAT WAS BECAUSE THERE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS BECAUSE OF, BUT THAT WAS A ISSUE FOR A LOT OF THE PEOPLE LIVING IN THE, UH, IN THE COMMUNITY AT THAT TIME.
UH, AND, AND, AND I'M SAYING THAT ONLY BECAUSE, UH, WE WERE TOLD THAT THERE'S NO ON ONSITE MANAGEMENT, UH, AND SO TO, TO US IT WAS LIKE, WHO'S GONNA ENFORCE RULES ON NOISE, SAFETY RULES ON FIRES AND FIRE PITS AND IT'S CURRENT, UH, CONCERN OF THAT.
AND THEN WHEN WE GOT THE, UH, THE, UH, PACKET AND SAW, IT WAS A HUNDRED CAMPSITES WITH THE WAIVER UP TO 200 SITES BECAME MORE OF AN ISSUE, A CONCERN ABOUT THAT FOR THE COMMUNITY.
UM, ONE OTHER THING WAS THE, UH, ON PANHANDLE PAN PANHANDLE IS RIGHT WHERE THE ENTRANCE TO THE CAMPGROUND IS, IS WHERE PANHANDLE GOES TO, LIKE, TRYING TO GO UP MOUNT EVEREST.
AND AFTER LIKE ONE, ONE OR TWO SMALL RI RAINS, THE ROAD GETS VERY IMPASSABLE.
AND IF THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC GOING ON THERE, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE RURAL EVENT FACILITY, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF CH A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH US, UH, PEOPLE.
'CAUSE OUR, ALL OUR COMMUNITY COMES OFF OF THAT, THAT ROUGH PART OF HAND HANDLE IN THE TWO ROADS ON TWIN OAKS AND RIVER OAK.
SO THOSE ARE THE TWO ISSUES I HAVE.
AND I ONLY HAVE 23 SECONDS, SO, UM, I WILL JUST STOP THERE.
CHRISTOPHER WEER, CHRISTOPHER WEILER, 76 10 RUSSELL RIDGE COURT, FAIRFAX STATION, VIRGINIA.
UM, WE ARE THE PROPERTY OWNERS RIGHT NEXT TO THAT PROPERTY.
WE BOUGHT, UM, I THINK LIKE 185 ACRES, 187 ACRES FROM BETINA CALLAWAY, TOM SAAR'S WIFE BACK IN 2012.
AND, UM, MY WIFE'S GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE CAMPGROUND AND, AND, YOU KNOW, THE 200 SITES AND ALL THAT.
BUT FOR ME, I WILL JUST TELL YOU THAT THE AFTERMATH OF THE CAMPING WAS APOCALYPTIC.
UM, I SPENT THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS
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OF DOLLARS CLEANING UP THE DEBRIS.THE, THE CAMPSITE THAT MR. OLMSTED IS REFERRING TO IS ACTUALLY OUR PROPERTY.
SO WHEN WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, WE HAD A, WE SPENT PROBABLY THE BETTER PART OF THREE YEARS CLEAN UP SATELLITE DISHES.
UM, UM, YOU KNOW, BOTTLES, CANS, UH, DISHWASHERS, REFRIGERATORS, MUFFLERS, YOU NAME IT ALL WERE DOWN THERE.
UM, I USED THREE FULL-TIME PEOPLE, UH, OVER THE COURSE OF A THREE DIFFERENT WINTERS TO CLEAN ALL THAT PROPERTY UP.
AND, YOU KNOW, FROM WHAT WE UNDERSTAND FROM, UH, A GENTLEMAN NAMED CD JENKINS, WHO WAS THE PROPERTY, HE MANAGED THE PROPERTY FOR TOM.
UM, IT WAS, IT WAS DISRUPTED TO SAY THE LEAST.
THE POLICE WERE CALLED DOWN THERE ALL THE TIME.
UM, PEOPLE HAD THE GATE COMBINATION AS MR. OLMSTED TALKED ABOUT, THE ROADS GOT BROKEN UP REALLY, REALLY BADLY.
AND, UM, WE WERE EVEN TOLD THAT PEOPLE WOULD RIDE DOWN THERE IN THE NON-HUNTING SEASON AND SHOOT DEER FROM THEIR PICKUP TRUCKS, UH, WITH OPEN WINDOWS.
SO IT WAS, YOU KNOW, I'M VERY PRO BUSINESS.
I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO, UM, A CAMPGROUND, BUT 200 CAMPGROUNDS WITH SIX PEOPLE.
AND YOU CAN'T THINK ABOUT TODAY, YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE NEXT OWNER OR WHAT THEY MAY DO FIVE OR 10 YEARS FROM NOW.
YOU'RE GONNA ALLOW 200 CAMPSITES, SIX PEOPLE, 1200 PEOPLE, OKAY.
AT A TIME, RIGHT? UH, I KNOW FOR A FACT BECAUSE I KNOW, UM, SHANE COOK, WHO CUTS HAY FOR ME, HE ALSO CUTS HAY FOR, UH, I THINK THE EYES.
AND HE WAS, HE WASN'T CUTTING HAY FOR THE CASTROS, BUT YOU CAN'T EVEN CUT HAY DOWN THERE BECAUSE THE FIELD IS TOO WET.
LIKE YOU COULDN'T EVEN PUT A TENT WHERE ALL THESE, ALL THESE, UH, PROPOSED PRIMITIVE CAMPING SITES ARE GONNA BE.
SO I'M ALL FOR HAVING A CAMPGROUND, BUT TO ME, LIKE A HUNDRED OR 200, IT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE PRETTY BAD.
AND THE ONLY OTHER THING I HAVE TO SAY IS THAT IS THE MOST, UH, PHOTOGRAPHED PICTURE OF THE SHENANDOAH RIVER PERIOD IN THE, IN THE UNITED STATES.
DID YOU GUYS KNOW THAT? IF IT'S WHERE I THINK IT'S AT, I I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
ANYWAY, JUST THINK ABOUT THAT WITH 200 CAMPSITES UP THERE.
AND MY ADDRESS IS THE SAME AS HIS, BUT WE'RE 7 44 OAK VIEW DRIVE HERE.
BUT OUR MAILING ADDRESS IS THE ONE THAT HE MENTIONED IN FAIRFAX STATION.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT MAP, WE BORDER THE ENTIRE NORTHERN BORDER OF THE BIG PLOT AND THE ENTIRE, UM, I'LL SAY EASTERN BORDER OF IT, WE HAVE ABOUT 187 ACRES THAT SURROUND IT.
THERE'S NO FENCING, THERE'S NO BUFFERS.
WE ALSO OWN, UM, OFF OF THOMPSON HOLLOW, ANOTHER 185 ACRES BELOW SKYLINE DRIVE.
AND WE ARE VERY MUCH INTO PRESERVING THE QUALITY AND NATURE.
WE DON'T ALLOW HUNTING ON OUR GROUNDS, AND WE, UM, HAVE REALLY WORKED REALLY HARD TO RESTORE NATURAL HABITATS OF THE ANIMALS.
AND WE USE IT FOR RECREATION, AND WE TOTALLY SUPPORT B AND B AND RECREATIONAL USE TO A LIMIT.
THE PROBLEM WITH THIS IS, UM, WE DO NOT SUPPORT THE WAIVER.
I DON'T EVEN SUPPORT A HUNDRED BECAUSE A HUNDRED TIMES SIX IS 600 PEOPLE ON A POTENTIALLY PER STAY.
THE AMOUNT OF TRASH THAT WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT, THERE'S NOBODY CLEARING TRASH EVERY DAY.
THERE'S NO ONSITE MANAGEMENT DAILY.
IT'S JUST THAT THERE'S A PROPERTY MANAGER WHO WOULD COME PERIODICALLY OR WHEN IT'S TURNOVER TIME FOR THE CAMPERS.
SO THAT IS VERY DISCONCERTING THAT THERE WON'T BE LIKE EYES, REAL EYES.
THEY ARE SAYING THAT THE CAMPERS WILL BE EYES, BUT I DON'T TRUST VISITORS TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE, MAKE SURE NO FIRES ARE BEING STARTED OR, OR, UM, TRESPASSING IS HAPPENING OR WILD PARTIES AND LOUD NOISE AND ALL THAT.
SO, SO MY CONCERN WOULD BE THAT THE PERMITTED MAXIMUMS ARE JUST TOO MUCH.
THAT IS NOT ONLY, I MEAN, IF YOU GO TO COLORS OVERLOOK AT THE STATE PARK AND YOU LOOK DOWN, THAT IS THE VIEW LINE.
IF YOU LOOK UP COLORS, OVERLOOK AND JUST DO IMAGES ON THE INTERNET, ALL YOU WILL SEE IS OUR PROPERTY AND THEIR PROPERTY.
BEAUTIFUL, GORGEOUS, MOST PHOTOGRAPHED, MOST PAINTED.
THERE'S PAINTERS WHO GO UP THERE ALL THE TIME.
IT IS, IF YOU SAY SHENANDOAH RIVER, THAT'S WHAT PROPS UP.
SO IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT SPACE THAT NEEDS TO LOOK GOOD.
SO DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T OPPOSE TINY HOUSES THAT LOOK NICE AND WE DON'T EVEN OPPOSE GLAMPING, THAT'S TEMPORARY.
BUT DEFINITELY LIKE RVS, TRAILERS, TERRIBLE TENTS AND
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A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF TENTS WOULD NOT MATCH THE ENVIRONMENT.UM, IF, IF THE MAXIMUM STAY IS TWO WEEKS AND THEY'RE NOT TURNING, COMING DOWN AND TURNING OVER UNLESS SOMEONE'S LEAVING THE SITE, THAT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE ENOUGH SUPERVISION AND SECURITY FOR THE REST OF THE, THE HOUSES ON EITHER SIDE OF THEIR PROPERTY OR THE ONES RIGHT BEHIND THEM.
I MEAN, WE DID, UH, THE OTHER THING WE HAD TO CLEAN UP WAS PORTA JOHN'S AND, UM, THINGS OUT OF, THERE'S LIKE A CANAL THAT RUNS THROUGH THE PROPERTY AND A LOT OF PEOPLE DUMP TRASH IN THAT.
AND SO WE HAD TO CLEAN THAT AS WELL.
SO WE DON'T TRUST CAMPERS ON A HUGE VOLUME LEVEL IS OUR CONCERN.
DEEM, I'M JUST SITTING THERE FOR A WHILE.
PARKINSON'S TAKES OVER AND YOU HAVE TROUBLE GETTING UP SOMETIMES.
I'D LIKE TO, UH, KIND OF WASTE MY FIRST 30 SECONDS BY THANKING YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE.
I'VE BEEN ON SIMILAR COMMITTEES AND I KNOW WHAT KIND OF COMMITMENT IT IS FOR YOU TO BE HERE AND SHOW UP EVERY DAY, SO, OR EVERY TIME.
UH, COULD, JUST A REMINDER, WOULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? I'M SORRY, JEFF DEEM, AND ARE WE ON THE TWO SMALL PROPERTIES HERE IN THERE? THE TWO SMALL BOXES? UM, ONE OF 'EM IS 8 55 OAK VIEW DRIVE.
I'M FROM BEDFORD, VIRGINIA, MYSELF BY ANYWAY.
UM, THE COMMITTEE I'M ON IS SALT WATER FISHERIES, WHICH DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS OTHER THAN MAKES ME THINK ABOUT WHAT'S, WHAT THE PRESSURE'S GONNA BE ON THE RIVER AND THE FISH IN THE RIVER IF THIS IS ALLOWED TO CONTINUE.
THE ONLY, UM, INFORMATION I COULD FIND ON SMALL MOUTH BASS IS THAT THE RELEASE MORTALITY IS ABOUT 16%.
SO 16% OF THE FISH THAT ARE THROWN BACK CATCH AND RELEASE DIE ANYWAY.
SO I, I DON'T THINK A RIVER CAN TAKE THAT.
NOW, IN ADDITION TO THE CAMPGROUND ACROSS THE STREET, ACROSS THE RIVER AND, UH, THE STATE PARK AND THEN ONE FURTHER UP BY THE LOW WATER BRIDGE, I THINK ENVIRONMENTALLY IT'S A BAD THING TO GO FOR.
UM, I AND MY FATHER BOUGHT THE PROPERTY BACK IN 63.
HE, HE'D COME BACK FROM WORLD WAR II AFTER ALMOST THREE YEARS IN FIGHTING IN THAT.
AND HE WANTED NOTHING TO DO WITH CROWDS, WANTED TO BUILD A BIG FAMILY, WHICH HE DID SIX, SIX OF THERE, SIX OF US IN THE FAMILY NOW.
AND, UM, I THINK WHEN HE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, HE WAS LOOKING FOR A WAY TO GET OUT AND GET AWAY FROM EVERYTHING, WHICH HE ACCOMPLISHED VERY WELL.
I DON'T THINK THIS IS WHAT HE HAD IN MIND TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF CAMPGROUND, LIKE SHOWN THERE.
UM, THERE'S ALREADY TWO CAMPGROUNDS NEAR THERE.
ONE IN THE STATE PARK, ONE UP THE RIVER BY THE LOW WATER BRIDGE.
SO I THINK THEY'VE, THEY'VE GOT ENOUGH.
AND, UH, SINCE THIS IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL, DON'T THEY NEED A, AN EXEMPTION FIRST TO GET IT REZONED OR IS THAT WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON NOW.
MS. PURDY, DID YOU WISH TO SPEAK? SO I'M JEFF'S YOUNGER SISTER ALSO DEEM OWNING OF THESE TWO PROPERTIES.
I THINK MY GREATEST CONCERN IS THAT OUR SMALLER PROPERTY, WHICH IS IN THE BOX IN THE MIDDLE, WAS ONE THAT WAS PURCHASED.
IT'S THE SIDE OF THE MOUNTAIN MOSTLY FOR HUNTING.
AND MY CONCERN IS HOW EFFECTIVE OUR HUNTING WILL BE WITHOUT HARMING FOLKS THAT WOULD BE AROUND THERE.
UM, WE APPRECIATE, UH, THE PURCHASE OF THE CASHFLOW PROPERTY AND UNDERSTAND THE EYES HAVE A NUMBER OF ACRES THERE AND I UNDERSTAND THEIR DESIRE TO BRING BUSINESS TO THE AREA.
I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE CONDITION OF THE LOWER ROAD.
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I APPRECIATE YOUR HAVING US HERE TO SPEAK ON THAT.IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR AGAINST IT? HIM FIRST
DAVID BROMAN, 9 38 SHANGRILA ROAD.
UM, SO I WOULD JUST SAY I WAS IMPRESSED WITH WHAT I SAW IN THE, IN THE, UM, IN THE APPLICATION THAT THERE WAS A SENSITIVITY TO ENVIRONMENT, NATURE, QUIET AND THAT SORT OF THING.
I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE, THE VOLUME THAT YOU ALL, UH, ARE, WOULD BE VOTING ON TONIGHT.
UM, AND I'M NOT CLEAR ON WHETHER OR NOT YOU WOULD HAVE, AS PART OF PROCESS, YOU WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHANGE WHAT IT IS YOU'RE GONNA VOTE ON.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE TO CONSIDER TABLING OR WHATEVER MIGHT BE NEEDED SO THAT YOU CAN ADDRESS WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS ACTUALLY ACKNOWLEDGED THEIR, THEIR PRIMARY INTEREST WOULD BE, BECAUSE THAT SOUNDS MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT THE NEIGHBORS ARE BRINGING TO THE TABLE.
AND ALSO FROM THE STANDPOINT OF PROTECTION OF THE RIVER.
UM, BEST USE OF RIVER BOTTOMLANDS, UH, THE MINIMIZING THE IMPACT TO THE STATE PARK, WHICH IS A KNOWN, UH, QUANTITY VALUABLE ASSET.
WE HAD 2000 PEOPLE AT THE BLUE BELL FESTIVAL THIS WEEKEND.
UM, AND LOTS OF CAMPING, LOTS OF GOOD, WELL-REGULATED, MONITORED, AND ASSISTED CAMPING.
SO I'M JUST ASK YOU TO CONSIDER WHAT IT IS THAT'S ON THE TABLE TONIGHT.
AND PERHAPS THAT CAN BE MODIFIED TO BE REVISITED IN SOME WAY.
I'M AMANDA DEEM 1 3 1 2 0 HAZEL RIVER ROAD RIG SEAVILLE.
UM, I'M THE GRANDCHILD THAT OWNS A PORTION OF THOSE TWO LOTS THAT WE ALSO HAVE, UH, WE HAVE RIGHT OF WAYS THAT GO STRAIGHT THROUGH BOTH ALL OF THE PROPERTY THAT THEY'RE WANTING TO PUT THEIR CAMPGROUND IN.
THE NUMBER ONE ADDRESS THING THAT COMES TO CONCERN IS THE TRAFFIC THE ROAD.
I KNOW THEY SAY THEY'LL MAKE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS TO GET THROUGH THERE.
RIGHT NOW I DRIVE, I DRIVE A FULL-SIZED DIESEL TRUCK AND IF I COME AND MEET ANOTHER TRUCK ON THE REGULAR VDOT MAINTAINED ROAD, WE CAN'T PASS COMFORTABLY MUCH LESS.
IF THERE WAS A TRAILER, MUCH LESS, IF THE MINI HOUSE CAME THROUGH, THERE'S NO WAY TO DO IT, PERIOD.
UM, WHERE THEY'RE TRYING TO HAVE AN ENTRANCE TO THIS CAMPGROUND, EVEN IF THEY IMMENSELY WIDEN THE ENTRANCE ITSELF, THERE'S NOWHERE ON THE ROAD FOR SOMEBODY TO BE TURNING IN AND SOMEONE TO GO AROUND.
AND THAT'S COMING DOWN WHERE MENTIONED BEFORE, IT'S LIKE THE MOUNTAIN WHERE GETTING A TRUCK TO STOP OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT WHERE YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU'RE AT, IT'S GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT.
UM, IF THE ROADWAY CAN'T HANDLE TWO PASSING VEHICLES CURRENTLY, THINK ABOUT THE EXTRA TRAFFIC THAT'S GONNA COME IN WITH A WHOLE CAMPGROUND.
UM, THERE'S ZERO TURNAROUNDS PERIOD ONCE YOU GET PAST LOW WATER BRIDGE TO THE TOP OF THE MOUNTAIN.
SO IF SOMEBODY MISSES A TURN OR THERE'S AN EMERGENCY, THERE'S NO SAFE WAY TO GET AROUND.
UM, THERE'S ALSO ON 0.6 OF THE APPLICATION.
UH, THERE WAS NOT A CLEAR ANSWER.
IT, IT SAYS HE'S BEEN CON HE'S CONSULTED VDOT AND NO ENGINEERING'S REQUIRED FOR THE ENTRANCE, BUT WE'LL CREATE A REFINED ENTRANCE.
AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT MEANS.
UM, IS THERE ANY VDOT DOCUMENTATION SUPPORTING ANY OF THAT FOR REVIEW TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE SAYING WILL BE DONE? 'CAUSE TO FIND AN ENTRANCE BUT WITH NO ENGINEERING? I'M NOT SURE.
AND IT ALSO, AS MENTIONED BEFORE WHERE UH, THEY'RE TRYING TO PUT TENTS IN THINGS.
THEY SAID IT WAS A WETLAND AND YOU CAN'T GET THERE.
AGAIN, FULL-SIZED DIESEL TRUCK, OFF-ROAD TIRES.
IF IT RAINS LIKE THE RAIN WE HAVE JUST HAD, IT'S NOT SAFE TO PASS, UH, MUCH LESS PUT A TENT DOWN.
SO THERE WOULD BE SO MUCH THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE CORRECTED IN ORDER FOR IT TO BE SAFE TO EVEN HAVE A MINI HOME THERE.
THEY SAY THAT THEY COULD MOVE THE TRAILERS IF IT'S A FLOOD OR IF THERE'S A FLOOD, BUT TO GET TO THE TRAILERS IN GENERAL, IF THERE'S JUST A SMALL AMOUNT OF RAIN WOULD BE HAZARDOUS OR YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO, OR YOUR CAMPERS WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET OUT.
ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S NO CONSTANT SUPERVISION.
PEOPLE WOULD BE STUCK OUT THERE.
AND THE, I THINK WE HAVE A TWO PERSON FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT'S OUR CLOSEST CALL AND WE HAVE TO WAIT AFTER THAT.
IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
JOEL DEAN, 37 0 1 MIDLAND ROAD, MIDLAND, VIRGINIA.
I'M ALSO PARCEL OR PART OWNER OF THOSE TWO PARCELS.
I HAD SOMETHING VERY DIFFERENT I WANTED TO SAY UNTIL I HEARD THE APPLICANT
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AND THAT KIND OF CHANGED THINGS.I'M, WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE NOW IS THE APPLICATION, IF THAT'S ALL THEY REALLY WANTED, THE APPLICATION WOULD BE CHANGED TO MEET THAT, THEN A LOT OF MY CONCERNS WOULD GO AWAY.
AND IT SOUNDS VERY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT, UM, I'M READING IN THE APPLICATION.
ANYONE ELSE? LAST CALL? PUBLIC HEARINGS CLOSED.
OH, I I DO AGREE THERE IS A LITTLE DISCREPANCY FROM DESCRIBE POTENTIAL USE IN WHAT? OH, I DEFINITELY COULDN'T SUPPORT THE 200.
OH, I MEAN, I MEAN DEFINITELY THAT'S, BUT I DIDN'T THINK WHAT SHE STATED HERE IS NOW NOWHERE TO BE FOUND HERE.
AND WE'RE APPROVING SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT SHE'S RIGHT.
UM, BECAUSE I HAVE A, I HAVE A LOT OF PROBLEM WITH NO MANAGEMENT.
'CAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING I ACTUALLY WROTE.
COULD YOU SPEAK IN THE MICROPHONE? SORRY.
I SAID THE, THE CONCERNS I HAD, I WROTE THESE DOWN, UH, BEFORE THE MEETING IS, WAS NO ONSITE MANAGEMENT.
UH, HOW MANY FOREST OR NOT BRUSH FIRES WE HAD HERE IN THE COUNTY THIS PAST SUMMER, UH, AS WELL AS ALONG THE, UH, RIDGE BETWEEN VIRGINIA AND WEST VIRGINIA.
SO, BUT THE OTHER THING IS THE FLOODS.
YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE FLOODS WE'VE HAD AROUND JUST SOUTH OF US AND EAST, WEST OF US, OUR TURN COMING.
AND TO HAVE NO ONSITE MANAGEMENT AND HAVE THINGS FIXED IN A FLOOD PLAIN, ESPECIALLY ON A A A, A MARSHY ONE.
AND HOW CAN YOU PUT A FIRE PIT IN A FLOODPLAIN THAT IS GONNA BE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE WATER FLOODING THAT NOW YOU'RE TAKING THE ROCKS AND EVERYTHING DOWN.
BUT I, I JUST HAVE A, THIS WITH THE NEW INFORMATION PRESENTED TONIGHT, NOT MATCHING WHAT THE APPLICATION STATES.
I FEEL THERE'S A DISCONNECT THERE THAT LET'S, UH, WE'RE APPROVING SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LET'S BRING THE APPLICANT BACK UP.
YEAH, I SHOULD HAVE DONE THAT FIRST ANYWAY, TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES.
OH, WOULD THE APPLICANT, UH, LIKE COME BACK UP AND ADDRESS SOME OF THESE CONCERNS AND, UH, YOU HAD A LITTLE DIFFERENT COME, WE KIND OF HAD A LITTLE DIFFERENT VIEW OF WHAT YOU WERE ASKING FOR WITH, YOU KNOW, A FEW CAMPSITES AND A FEW TINY HOMES VERSUS A 200, UH, UNIT CAMP.
MAYBE WE CAN GET SOME CONCRETE THERE.
UM, YEAH, SO THE, AS I I SAID EARLIER, UH, WE ARE PUTTING THE PACKAGE TOGETHER.
WE WANT TO DEVELOP THE AREA, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO USE IT.
UM, EVENTUALLY WE'D LIKE TO HAVE, UH, PERMANENT STRUCTURES AKIN TO THE CABIN THAT WE HAVE UP ON TOP OF THE HILL.
IT'S JUST NOT FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE AT THIS POINT TO DO THAT.
UM, TO, TO GET SOME INCOME COMING IN.
WE WERE LOOKING FOR COST EFFECTIVE, UH, FACILITIES, UH, THE GLAMPING SITES, THE, THE TINY HOMES AND SOME PRIMITIVE CAMPSITES UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'S VERY LIKELY A FLOOD WILL COME THROUGH AND WIPE OUT THOSE PERMANENT CAMPSITES AND WE'LL HAVE TO GO BACK AND PUT GRAVEL DOWN AGAIN.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S A, A MINIMUM INVESTMENT, UH, TO GET ACCESS TO THE RIVER ON THE RIVER.
UM, UH, LET ME JUST PULL UP THE COMMENTS.
I TOOK THAT ONSIDE MANAGEMENT, UH, AGREE THAT THAT IS IDEALLY, UH, TO GO ANY FURTHER BEYOND, UH, WHAT WE'RE INITIALLY PLANNING.
YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD NEED MORE ONSITE MANAGEMENT.
UM, WE HAVE A PROPERTY MANAGER AND WE HAVE, UH, A REPRESENTATIVE OF THAT, OF THAT GROUP, UM, THAT LIVES FOUR MILES AWAY.
SO YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S NOT A PERMANENT ONSITE MANAGEMENT, BUT IT'S A VERY NEARBY, UH, REPRESENTATIVE THAT, THAT CAN BE THERE AND CHECK ON A, ON A REGULAR BASIS.
UM, THE ROAD MANAGEMENT AT THE BEND, UH, I, I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE HAD MEETINGS WITH VDOT, UH, THERE AT THE ENTRANCE.
UM, IT IS ON THE PAVED PART THOUGH.
I MEAN, IF YOU GO BEYOND IT THEN TURNS TO THE GRAVEL, UH, PORTION.
SO, UH, I THINK IF WE'RE CLEAR IN TERMS OF OUR SIGNAGE, THAT SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE, UM, THAT THAT IS THE STATE MAINTAINED ROAD THAT GOES RIGHT THERE AT THE BEND.
WOULD, WOULD YOUR, WOULD YOUR ENTRANCE COME IN ON THE PAVED PART OR IN ON THE GRAVEL PART? ON THE PAVED PART? UM,
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AFTER AFTERMATH OF THE CAMPING, UH, A YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANT TRASH.WE DON'T WANT, UH, WE DON'T WANT TO SPOIL THE SPOIL THE BEAUTY OF THE AREA.
UM, I, I UNDERSTAND THE, THE CONCERNS WITH HUNDREDS OF CAMPSITES, BUT AS I SAID, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, NEVER SAY NEVER, BUT THAT'S NOT A, UH, THAT'S DEFINITELY NOT A GOAL IN THE NEXT FIVE TO 10 YEAR TIMEFRAME.
BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE PUT TOGETHER THE PACKAGE, WHAT'S THE, THE MOST WE COULD DO WITH THIS PROPERTY? UM, HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD IN TERMS OF ANSWERING THOSE QUESTIONS? WE'VE ALREADY ANSWERED SOME OF THEM IN TERMS OF VDOT AND THE FACT THAT, UH, BRINGING IN, UM, RVS IS JUST NOT, NOT GONNA BE, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A HUGE INVESTMENT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT, THAT BEND BECAUSE OF THE SIGHT LINES AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT ACCESSIBLE BY, UH, VEHICLES PASSING EACH OTHER AS MENTIONED.
UM, IT, IT IS, IT IS, IT IS, UH, ACCESSIBLE ONE AT A TIME, UH, WITH, UH, NORMALIZED VEHICLES, TWO AXLE VEHICLES.
UM, FIRE SAFETY, VERY CONSCIOUS OF THAT.
UH, AGAIN, THE, THE PLACES, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN VERY CAREFUL WITH THE PROPERTIES THAT WE HAVE IN TERMS OF RETAINING WALLS AND BUFFERS AND FIRE PITS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, UH, WATER NEARBY.
UH, SO WE WOULD MAINTAIN, WE WOULD DO EVERYTHING WE NEED TO DO TO MAINTAIN THAT.
UM, I GUESS I, YOU KNOW, JUST THE, THE CONCEPT THAT, UM, THAT THERE ARE, THERE'S ALREADY TRESPASSING GOING ON, RIGHT? I MEAN, SO ANY ADDITIONAL, WHEN OUR PROPERTY MANAGER IS THERE, UH, YOU KNOW, TWICE A WEEK, THREE TIMES A WEEK, THAT'S MORE EYES ON SITE.
UM, THERE, THERE ARE PEOPLE ACCESSING THAT PROPERTY NOW AND DOING THINGS THAT ARE LOUD AND NOISY AND DISRUPTIVE AND THAT WILL GO DOWN BECAUSE THERE'S ADDITIONAL PRESENCE ON SITE.
UM, SO I THINK THAT IS, UH, IS WORTH NOTING THAT THERE ARE, UM, WELL WE WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO JUST OWN THAT PROPERTY AND KEEP IT ALL PRISTINE AND BE ABLE TO JUST HIKE THERE AND TAKE OUR DOGS OUT THERE.
UH, THAT'S JUST NOT, NOT IN THE CARDS FOR US RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND, AND THE FACT THAT THERE ARE, UH, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORS THAT USE IT, UM, WE'VE, WE'VE TRIED TO ALLOW ACCESS, UH, TO PEOPLE THAT ARE AROUND.
UM, AND THAT, AND THAT, THAT WOULD CONTINUE.
I MEAN, WE ARE, WE ARE TRYING TO BE, TRYING TO BE NEIGHBORLY, BUT THERE ARE VERY SPECIFIC INSTANCES OF PEOPLE USING THAT PROPERTY, UM, AS THEY SHOULDN'T BE.
AND, UM, IN TERMS OF THE SAFETY AND THE FLOODING, UM, I MEAN, WE HAD AN INCIDENT OVER THE WEEKEND, SO IT'S, IT IT'S THE, THE LESSER OF EVILS WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A HANDFUL OF CAMPSITES IN THE IMMEDIATE TERM.
UM, YOU KNOW, I I I JUST, IF UH, IF I MAY, IT, IT LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THIS MIGHT BE SOMETHING YOU COULD GROW INTO.
SO, UH, I GET COMING IN AND HEY, LET'S, LET'S SHOOT FOR THE 10 YEAR DOWN THE ROAD PROGRAM.
OH, HOW WOULD YOU FEEL ABOUT LOOKING AT LIKE WHAT YOUR GOAL WOULD BE FOR LIKE TWO YEARS AND MAYBE WE COULD ADJUST THIS A LITTLE BIT AND THEN WHEN YOU GET THAT FAR, YOU, THE NEIGHBORHOOD COULD KIND OF SEE HOW IT FITS IN AND THEN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT COULD BE EXPANDED LATER.
OF COURSE YOU'D HAVE TO COME BACK ALL, BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU WERE THINKING SOME TINY HOMES 'CAUSE THEY'LL STAY THERE PERMANENTLY.
THE ONLY REASON WHY THEY'RE MOVABLE, SO WE CAN PULL 'EM UP FOR FLOOD RANGE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, SOME, YOU KNOW, A FEW PRIMITIVE CAMP SITES TO, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY ALL OFFSET SOME COSTS.
AS FAR AS THE VDOT ENTRANCE THOUGH, I, I GOT A FEELING IF YOU GET ANY PERMIT, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE DONE.
I MEAN, IT DOES HAVE TO BE ENGINEERED UN CULVERT AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT IN TERMS OF A COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE, UM, THAT'S THE PART THAT WE, WE WOULD HAVE TO DO THAT IN ORDER TO ALLOW, I, I THINK, OH, MR. WENDLING, IF, IF ANY, IF ANY OF THIS IS APPROVED, WOULD IT HAVE TO BE A COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE? YEAH, V DOT'S UH, COMMENT LETTER SAYS A MODERATE VOLUME COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE WITH A MINIMUM OF 50 FOOT RADI, I WILL NEED TO BE INSTALLED AT THE PROPOSED LOCATION ON ROUTE SIX 13 BY THE OWNER.
UH, ENGINEER PLAN WILL NEED TO BE SUBMITTED.
UH, PERMITS WOULD HAVE TO BE PULLED THROUGH VDOT AND THE ENTRANCE WILL SERVE THE COP IF APPROVED WITH THE CURRENT CUP.
UH, THEY ALSO STATE THAT, UH, ROUTE 1613 IS A RURAL RUSTIC ROAD WITH VERTICAL AND HORIZONTAL CURVES, NARROW ROADWAY GEOMETRY THAT CARRIES ABOUT TWO 40 VEHICLES A DAY.
AND, UM, CURRENTLY THE SITE DISTANCE IS A CHALLENGE, UH, TREE REMOVAL AND EXCAVATION WILL BE NEEDED TO ACHIEVE THE REQUIRED SITE DISTANCE OF 390 FEET.
SO YES, THEY WILL NEED TO IMPROVE.
SO IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER IT'S 10 CAM SITES OR A HUNDRED OR 200 ENTRANCE REQUIREMENTS THE SAME.
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THEIR ROADS.I, I WAS JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT, WE'LL NEED TO GET CLARITY ON THAT BECAUSE WE DID MEET WITH THEM AND UM, THAT, THAT, MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD THAT IT WAS, THAT THERE WAS A, A LESSER UH, REQUIREMENT IF WE LIMITED THE SIZE OF THE VEHICLES COMING IN.
WELL, SO WE CAN, I'M JUST, I'M JUST READING FOR WHAT MAY MAYBE GET BACK WITH V ON THAT TOO.
WE RECEIVE THAT FEBRUARY 25TH.
I'M TRYING TO THINK OF A GOOD RESOLVE HERE.
'CAUSE, UH, THE WAY V DOT'S GOT THIS WROTE AND YOU'RE GOING, IF WE LIMIT YOU TO 10, YOU STILL HAVE TO DO THAT.
AND, AND I KNOW THAT'S A HUGE EXPENSE AND I, AND I DO FEEL THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, A FEW TINY HOMES AND SOME THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, I I I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN THAT, PAY TAXES ON IT, MAINTAIN IT AS A BUFFER, NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE ANY INCOME OUT OF IT, YOU KNOW, GETS, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE PROFIT OUTTA YOUR PROPERTY'S NOT A, NOT A DIRTY WORD TO ME.
I, I DO BELIEVE IN THAT, BUT I THINK 200, ESPECIALLY ON INITIAL APPROVAL, YOU KNOW, 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD THINGS CHANGE IT, IT MIGHT NOT, I, I WOULDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE JUST MM-HMM
KIND OF LEAVING IT WIDE OPEN LIKE THAT.
BUT IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOUR INITIAL PLAN, UH, WITH A FEW TINY HOMES AND A LIMITED NUMBER OF CAMP SITES, WOULD YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE MAYBE WITH TABLING THIS TO WHERE YOU COULD GO BACK TO VDOT AND SAY, HEY, IF I ONLY DO THIS MANY, YOU KNOW, I GOT A FEELING THEIR RULES ARE GONNA BE THE SAME, BUT THEY'D GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO CHECK THAT AND MAYBE YOU WOULD COME UP WITH A, WHAT YOUR MINIMUM LIKE YOUR TWO, THREE YEAR GOAL IS AND THEN WE COULD UH, MAYBE WE COULD APPROVE THAT AND THEN, UH, SHE WOULDN'T HAVE TO REPAY, PAY A FEE AND REAPPLY TO NO.
IF, IF IT WAS TABLED, UH, YOU MIGHT WANNA PUT A TIME LIMIT ON THE TABLING OF IT, UNLESS THE APPLICANT JUST WANTED TO TABLE IT INDEFINITELY.
BUT I THINK THEIR, THEIR INTENT IS TO TRY TO PROCESS OH NO, NO, NO, WE WOULDN'T, IT WOULDN'T COST THEM MANY TIMES LIKE THAT.
UM, YEAH, I MEAN THAT WOULD BE FINE.
UM, UH, IF YOU, DID WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? WE DID.
WOULD IT BE OUT OF LINE TO ASK FOR, UH, SPECIFIC POINTS TO ADDRESS BEFORE COMING? JUST SO WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT IS? UM, OH, THE SIZE FOR ME, 200 IS TOO MANY AND A HUNDRED'S A LOT.
UM, BUT YOU, YOU HAD INDICATED A GOAL OF A FEW IN A COUPLE TINY HOMES AND THEN YOU GOT, YOU'RE TRYING TO USE A, AN EXISTING SEPTIC.
SO TO ALSO TO GET APPROVED, UH, FOR US TO PROVE THE CDP, YOU GOTTA MEET WHATEVER HEALTH DEPARTMENT CODE.
SO IF I PUT 200 SITES DOWN THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, THEY PROBABLY LET YOU PHASE IN TOO, UH, OVER TIME.
BUT IT ALL THAT NEEDS TO BE PUT UP FRONT.
BUT IF WE'D LIKE APPROVED YOU FOR 200, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO BUILD THE ENTRANCE FOR 200.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO THE SUBJECT FOR 200 BEFORE YOU CAN GET CLEARANCE OUT HERE.
SO, OH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH 2, 3, 4, 6, I DON'T KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND MAYBE 20 SITES, BUT MAYBE WORK WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS, UH, SEE WHAT THEY WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH.
YOU KNOW, FIGURE, FIGURE LIKE A TWO, THREE YEAR PLAN.
AND THEN ONCE YOU GET THAT DONE AND IF EVERYTHING'S GOING GOOD, THEN IF YOU WANNA COME BACK FOR AN EXPANSION AND THEN YOU KNOW, YOUR NEIGHBORS WILL HAVE A BETTER VIEW OF WHAT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR, MAYBE THEIR COMFORT LEVEL, MAYBE VDOT, WIDEN THAT ROAD A LITTLE BIT AND FIX IT.
MAYBE WE CAN GET THAT IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM IN A FEW YEARS TOO.
'CAUSE UH, I LIVE ON THE OTHER END OF PANHANDLE AND I, IT'S, UH, THEY'RE GETTING BETTER, BUT IT'S, IT'S STILL A PIECE.
DO, OH, IS THERE ANY, BESIDES JUST THE SHEER NUMBER, GETTING IT BALANCED OUT WITH THE SEPTIC SO IT CAN BE PROVED AND MAYBE GIVING VDOT ANOTHER SHOT IF YOU, IF YOU DOWNSIZE IT.
IS THERE ANY OTHER ONSITE MANAGEMENT I THINK IS A CONCERN.
HOW MANY, HOW MANY CAMPGROUNDS DO WE HAVE IN WARREN COUNTY THAT ARE JUST MANAGED? MANAGED, THAT ARE MANAGED? NORTH FORK ACTUALLY IS PROBABLY THE MOST DENSE ONE THAT'S IN THE FLOODPLAIN.
AND THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A, A MANAGEMENT PLAN, AN EMERGENCY EGRESS MANAGEMENT PLAN.
AND ALSO THEY DO NOT PARK THEIR CAMPERS DOWN IN THE FLOODPLAIN AREA DURING THE WINTER MONTHS, TYPICALLY WHEN THERE'S LESS TRAFFIC.
UM, THEY ARE PAVED, UH, ROADS THAT THEY HAVE NOW DOWN THERE.
AND, AND WITH, EVEN WITH, UH, UM, THE, UH, NON-PROFIT, UH, YOU KNOW, PRIVATE USE CAMPING, UH, WE REQUIRE AN EMERGENCY EGRESS PLAN FOR THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS TO BE ABLE TO GET THOSE CAMPERS OUT, HAVE THOSE CAMPERS OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN AT AN IN IMMINENT TIME.
SO I DO, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED WITH THE USE OF, UH, TINY HOMES.
UH, THESE WOULD BE LIKE PORTABLE TINY HOMES AS RVS AND THEY'D BE LICENSED BY, UH, I THINK THE DEPARTMENT OF MOTOR VEHICLES.
SO THEY WOULD HAVE WHEELS SO THEY COULD BE PULLED OUT.
SO YOU COULD BE BE PULLED OUT QUICK.
SO JUST AN EMERGENCY EGRESS PLAN, GOOD PLANNING
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FOR THAT AND HAVING, UH, A LOCAL, UH, MANAGER WHO COULD, COULD DO THAT AND HAVE, HAVE THAT AN AREA MAYBE SET ASIDE ON THEIR PROPERTY OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN WHERE THEY COULD MOVE THOSE.THEY HAVE A PLAN WHERE YOU'RE GONNA PUT 'EM, GET 'EM OUTTA FLOOD.
AND MAYBE THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THAT'S IN THE FUTURE, THE HAVING THAT RELATIONSHIP WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS, IF YOU ARE IN OHIO MORE PRIMARILY, THESE PEOPLE ARE HERE, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY YOU COULD BUILD A RELATIONSHIP AND ALSO HELP POSSIBLY CREATE A, A JOB, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WITH, WITH A LOW NUMBER.
IT WOULDN'T BE FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE TO HAVE A PERMANENT T INJURY.
THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING MAYBE COMMUNICATE YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO TO THE HUNDREDS, YOU, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THERE'D ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY SOMEBODY TO STARE, BUT IF IT'S, IF IT'S LOWER WE'RE SIX 20 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, A FAIRLY LOW NUMBER, I, I DON'T THINK I'D REQUIRE TO PAY SOMEBODY TO BE THERE, BUT NO, BUT THERE IS TECHNOLOGY OUT THERE NOW THAT WELL, SHE'S GOT CAMERAS WITH CAMERA.
WELL, NO, I MEAN, CAMERAS THAT CORRECT.
YOU'RE ALERTED ON YOUR, ON YOUR COMPUTER OR YOUR PHONE OF WHAT HAPPENS.
UH, PROPERTY OWNERS ON BOTH SIDES OF ME HAVE HUNT CLUBS AND THEY'RE ALERTED ANYTIME AN ANIMAL WALKS IN FRONT OF THEIR MM-HMM
BECAUSE THAT'S MY, MY BIG CONCERN IS FIRES AND FLOODS.
THERE'S PEOPLE I KNOW DOWN IN ASH, ASH, ASHBURN, ASH, ASHLAND, ASHLAND, THAT LESS THAN 20 OR 12 HOURS THEIR HOUSE UNDERWATER MM-HMM
SO THAT'S, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE 24 HOURS IF WE GET A STORM LIKE THAT.
SO THESE, THE DAYS OF FLOODS GETTING A 24 HOUR NOTICE TO GET SOMETHING OUT, I THINK ARE FAR AND FEW BETWEEN.
DO YOU GO, YOU FEEL LIKE YOU COULD BY NEXT MONTH, THE 30 DAY OH ALL.
SO WE WILL SEE, WE, WE WOULD PROBABLY WANNA JUST, UH, WE WANNA SEND THOSE, THAT KIND OF REVISED PLAN OUT AT LEAST TO VDOT FOR COMMENTS.
UM, I THINK WE MIGHT BE OKAY WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, BUT JUST MAYBE FOR VDOT AND JUST SEE WHAT THEY SAY.
'CAUSE THAT IS A CRITICAL PART OF THIS.
AND YOU KNOW, IF THEY SAY, OKAY, WELL JUST THOSE, IF THEY'RE STAYING ON SITE, THEY MAY NOT HAVE AN ISSUE.
ONCE THEY'RE THERE AND THEY'RE NOT MOVING ON AND OFF, THEY MAY NOT HAVE AN ISSUE, ESPECIALLY WITH DECREASING THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE.
UM, I'M NOT REAL OFF, PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER IN A WEEK OR TWO, WE CAN GET IT TO THEM AND, AND THEN GET THOSE COMMENTS BACK AND YEAH.
90 DAYS WE CAN TRY AND GET IT ON THE NO, THAT'D BE TOO LONG.
YEAH, WE, WE CAN GET IT ON THE, IT JUST, I THINK THE SOONER THAT THE APPLICANT MS I GETS, I KNOW HOW V IS, WE CAN ALWAYS MOVE IT AGAIN.
I HATE TO PUT HER OFF FOR THE WHOLE SUMMER.
WE'LL GIVE HER 90 DAYS TO GET IT.
IF SHE GETS IT BACK SOONER, WE CAN JUST PUT IT ON THE AGENDA TWO.
THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING THE SOONER SHE GETS IT BACK THE BETTER.
WELL, BUT WE'RE MAKING A MOTION WITH A SET DATE.
I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO SET THAT DATE 90 DAYS OUT.
'CAUSE THEN I DON'T THINK WE CAN TAKE IT OFF THE TABLE UNTIL THAT WELL, WE CAN DELAY IT AGAIN IF WE NEED TO.
BUT LET'S, SO LET'S SET IT SHORTER.
LET'S SET IT FOR NEXT MONTH AND THEN WE CAN KICK IT OUT ANOTHER MONTH.
IF HE SHOW, WE CAN ALWAYS TABLE IT AGAIN.
I MEAN, WE HAVE ONGOING CONVERSATIONS WITH VDOT.
UM, I I THINK WE CAN UM, YOU, YOU CAN TURN SOMETHING IF YOU'RE USED TO TALKING TO HIM, YOU MIGHT BE AND IF, IF THAT'S YES.
AND I, I WANNA GET AN ANSWER TO THAT AS WELL, SO, OKAY.
APPLICANT'S COMFORTABLE WITH 30 DAYS.
ANYBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? I WILL DO SO HERE.
UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TABLE, IF I MAY, I THINK YOUR MEETING NEXT MONTH IS A LITTLE MORE THAN 30 DAYS FROM THIS MEETING.
AND I THINK IT'S, WHAT'S THE 28 PLUS WHAT'S THE DATE OF NEXT MONTH'S MEETING? 14TH.
SO, UH, WE TABLE IT UNTIL YOUR NEXT MONTH'S MEETING.
YEAH, WE'RE NOT COMING IN ON SUNDAY.
IF IT'S 30 DAYS FROM NOW, THAT'S
UH, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DELAY THE, THAT'S NOT THE TERM TABLE, TABLE TABLE, UH, CUP 2025 DASH 0 2 2 CAMPGROUNDS FOR CARL AND JENNIFER E EEL.
UH, FOR 30 DAYS TILL NEXT MEETING, I'M SORRY, TILL THE MEETING.
ANYBODY WANTS SECOND THAT? I'LL SECOND.
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ALRIGHT, B ITEM[VI.B. CUP2025-03-01 - Short-Term Tourist Rental - Christopher Phair - A request for a conditional use permit for a short-term tourist rental. The property is located at 295 Donna Court and is identified on tax map 15D, section 2, block 5, as lot 278. The property is zoned Residential-One (R-1) and is located in the Shenandoah Farms - River View subdivision in the Shenandoah Magisterial District. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator]
BCP 20 25 0 3 DASH OH ONE.CRYSTAL FER A REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED 2 95 DONNA COURT AND IS IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 15 D SECTION TWO BLOCK FIVE AS LOT 2 7 8.
SORRY, I SHOULD HAVE GIVEN THEM A SECOND TO CLEAR OUT.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON 2 95 DYNA COURT AND IS IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 15 D SECTION TWO BLOCK FIVE S LOT 2 78.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL R ONE AND IS LOCATED IN THE SHENANDOAH FARMS RIVERVIEW SUBDIVISION IN THE SHENANDOAH MAR MANAGERIAL DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY PURCHASED IN NOVEMBER OF 2024.
THE OWNER WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR SHORT TERM LODGING FOR INDIVIDUALS, FAMILIES AND COUPLES SEEKING TO EXPERIENCE EVERYTHING FRONT, ROYAL AND WARREN COUNTY HAVE TO OFFER.
THE APPLICANT WILL RETAIN A LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY TO HELP OVERSEE MAINTENANCE CLEANING IN THE BOOKING OF RENTAL REQUESTS.
UH, PROPERTY IS LOCATED UP ON THE DONNA COURT, UH, IN THE RIVERVIEW SECTION OF SHENANDOAH FARMS. UH, AS YOU REMEMBER FROM RECENT HISTORY, THERE ARE CURRENTLY TWO OTHER, UH MM-HMM
UH, THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT APPROVING A MAXIMUM OF SIX OCCUPANTS FOR THE FOUR, UH, BEDROOM DWELLING.
AND THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN HAS BEEN, UH, SUBMITTED IN REVIEW BY LOCAL, LOCAL, OR I'M SORRY, BY STAFF.
AND THE LOCAL PRINTED, UH, PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY IS LOCATED IN FRONT ROYAL, UH, WITHIN THE 30 MILES, UH, DISTANCE REQUIREMENT.
UH, WE DID REQUEST COMMENTS FROM THE PROPERTY OWNERS OF SHENANDOAH FARMS, BUT I DO NOT BELIEVE WE GOT A RESPONSE.
AND, UH, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A WAIVER TO THE 100 FOOT SETBACK REQUIRED FROM NEIGHBORING RESIDENCES.
UH, THE NEIGHBORING RESIDENCE AT 3 0 7 DON ACCORD IS LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 46 FEET TO THE EAST OF THE DWELLING ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND ON THE OTHER SIDE, 2 91 DONNA COURT IS LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 33 FEET TO THE WEST OF THE DWELLING ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
UH, SINCE THE TIME OF APPLICANT OR APPLICATION, THE APPLICANT HAS, UH, BEEN ABLE TO, UH, UH, ACQUIRE LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM THOSE TWO IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS.
UH, THERE WAS ONE LETTER OF CONCERN RECEIVED FOR A PROPERTY OWNER, I THINK TWO DOORS DOWN, UH, OUTSIDE OF THE 100 FOOT, BUT ON THE SAME STREET.
UH, SO WE'RE MOVING THIS FORWARD WITH THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS AS FOLLOWS.
NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.
THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED THE SYSTEM CAPACITY AS DETERMINED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT PER WARREN COUNTY CODE SUBSECTION 180 DASH 56.4.
THE CERTIFICATE OF ZONING SHALL ONLY BE ISSUED WITH APPROVED HEALTH DEPARTMENT RECORDS.
NUMBER THREE, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE WELL WATER TESTED ANNUALLY FOR E COLI AND COLIFORM BACTERIA AND A COPY OF THE RESULT SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING AND HEALTH DEPARTMENTS.
NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM MAINTAINED ANNUALLY BY A LICENSED OPERATOR AS REQUIRED FOR AN ALTERNATIVE ONSITE SEWAGE DISPOSAL SYSTEM.
THE APPLICANT SHALL ALSO HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM PUMPED EVERY FIVE YEARS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND A COPY OF THE SERVICE INVOICE SHALL BE PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
AND NUMBER FIVE, UH, SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO MOVE THIS FORWARD WITH THE, THE WAIVER TO THE 100 FOOT SETBACK READS, A WAIVER TO THE REQUIRED SETBACK OF 100 FEET TO NEIGHBORING DWELLING SHALL BE GRANTED FOR THE EXISTING 46 FOOT SETBACK TO THE DWELLING EAST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND FOR THE EXISTING 33 FOOT SETBACK TO THE DWELLING WEST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED AND BOTH THE APPLICANT AND THE PROPERTY MANAGER ARE HERE THIS EVENING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING TO MR. LEN'S? COMMENTS? UH, NOTHING ADDITIONAL.
WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ANYONE SIGN UP JOSEPHINE NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE? YEAH.
OF THE UH, I'M JOSEPHINE SNOT.
UM, I REPRESENT FREEDOM COMPANY.
WE'RE LOCATED AT, UM, 5 24 NORTH, UM, ROYAL AVENUE, FRONT ROYAL RIGHT HERE.
UM, I BASICALLY WANNA JUST INTRODUCE MYSELF AS THE LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGER.
WE DO MANAGE TWO OF THE PROPERTIES ON THAT STREET.
WE'RE ON SITE, UM, ON THAT ROAD AT LEAST FOUR TIMES A WEEK.
WE THINK IT'S A BEAUTIFUL STRIP.
UM, WE DO FEEL THAT THESE HOMES, UM,
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SUIT THE USE OF, UM, WEEKEND HOMES, UM, DUE TO THE CONCURRENT CONDITIONS OF THE ROAD.UM, I DID SPEAK AND HAD A, HAD A LOVELY MEETING WITH THE ONE NEIGHBOR THAT, UM, VOICED HIS ONE CONCERN.
HIS MAIN CONCERN IS, UH, BASICALLY FRONT PORCH LIGHTS.
WE'VE TURNED TO OPTIONS THAT WE CAN JUST TURN ON MOTION SENSORS.
THAT WAS HIS CONCERN 'CAUSE HE WANTS TO PROTECT THE, THE BEAUTIFUL SKY.
SO, UM, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY, NO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
IF WE HAVE ANY, WE'LL BRING YOU BACK.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO CARE TO SPEAK DIDN'T SIGN UP? SEEING NUMBER ONE COME FORWARD.
COMMENTS, CONCERNS, OR MOTION? WELL, SINCE WE HAVE BOTH NEIGHBORS WITHIN THE A HUNDRED FEET HAVE APPROVED, I SEE NO ISSUE.
I SEE NO ISSUE, ESPECIALLY SINCE VISITING THOSE, UH, THE HOUSES AND KNOWING THAT THERE'S NO RURAL OUTSIDE LIVING OTHER THAN ON THE DECK
AND THERE'S SOME OTHERS UP THERE TOO, SO YEAH.
YEAH, IF THEY'RE ON SITE, I THINK IT'LL BE OKAY.
SO I MOVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST OF CHRISTOPHER FARR FOR A SHORT TERM, UH, TOURIST RENTAL WITH CONDITIONAL CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
YOU'LL BE HEADED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
[VI.C. CUP2025-03-02 - Short-Term Tourist Rental - Garrett McNamara - A request for a conditional use permit for a short-term tourist rental. The property is located at 16 Trillium Trail Road and is identified on tax map 24B, section 2, block 6, as lot 269. The property is zoned Residential-One (R-1) and is located in the Blue Mountain subdivision in the Shenandoah Magisterial District. - Kelly Wahl , Planner]
C-C-C-U-P 20 25 0 3 0 2.REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 6 TRILLION TRAIL ROAD AND IS IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 24 B SECTION TWO.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONE RESIDENTIAL R ONE AND IS LOCATED IN THE BLUE MOUNTAIN SUBDIVISION IN THE SHANNON DOLE MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT MS. WALL.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM TAURUS RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY HE PURCHASED IN DECEMBER OF 2024.
THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR SHORT-TERM LODGING FOR VISITORS SEEKING TO EXPERIENCE MOUNTAIN LIVING IN WARREN COUNTY LOCATED JUST TWO MINUTES FROM THE PROPERTY.
THE PROPERTY MANAGERS MORGAN FOX AND BRIAN ELDER WILL ASSIST WITH THE MANAGEMENT OF THE PROPERTY.
THE DWELLING WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1962 AND THERE ARE CURRENTLY NO ACTIVE ZONING VIOLATIONS FOR THIS PROPERTY.
THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT APPROVING A MAXIMUM OF FOUR OCCUPANTS FOR THE TWO BEDROOM DWELLING.
THE PROPERTY MANAGER LIVES WITHIN THE REQUIRED 30 MILE DISTANCE FROM THE PROPERTY.
REQUEST FOR COMMENTS WAS SUBMITTED TO THE BLUE MOUNTAIN PROPERTY HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION AND THEY STATED THEY RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
THE DWELLING MEETS THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT OF A HUNDRED FEET TO ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS WITH THE CLOSEST DWELLING BEING 229 FEET TO THE WEST.
PLANNING STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS BE ADDED TO THIS.
SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS, UH, TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.
THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED THE SYSTEM CAPACITY IS DETERMINED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
THESE CERTIFICATE OF ZONING SHALL ONLY BE ISSUED WITH APPROVED HEALTH DEPARTMENT RECORDS.
NUMBER THREE, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE WELL WATER TESTED ANNUALLY FOR E COLI AND COLIFORM BACTERIA AND A COPY OF THOSE RESULTS SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING AND HEALTH DEPARTMENTS.
AND NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM SERVICE EVERY FIVE YEARS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND A COPY OF THE SERVICE INVOICE TO BE PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING TO MS. FALLS? COMMENTS? THAT'S IT.
UH, WITH THAT WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ANYONE SIGN UP? ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK AND DIDN'T SIGN UP? SEEING NO ONE COME FORWARD.
PUBLIC HEARING'S CLOSED COMMENTS.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUESTED BY GARRETT MCNA MCNAMARA FOR THE SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL WITH, WITH THE CONDITIONAL CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
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ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.OPPOSED? YOURS WILL ALSO CARRY ON TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
[VI.D. CUP2025-03-05 - Short-Term Tourist Rental - Vesta Properties (Theophilos Perperidis) - A request for a conditional use permit for a short-term tourist rental. The property is located at 101 Crowfoot Ct and is identified on tax map 26A, block 7A, as lot 35. The property is zoned Residential-One (R-1) and is located in the Thunderbird Ranch subdivision in the Fork Magisterial District. - Kelly Wahl , Planner]
NEXT ITEM DCP 20 25 0 3 DASH OH FIVE SHORT TERM T RENTAL VISTA PROPERTIES A REQUEST FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT TERM TER RENTAL.THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1 0 1 CROWFOOT COURT AND IS IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 26 A BLOCK SEVEN A IS LOT 35.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL R ONE AND IS LOCATED IN THE THUNDERBIRD RANCH SUBDIVISION IN THE FORK MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT IN THIS WALL.
THE APPLICANT, VESTA PROPERTY MANAGEMENT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT TERM TA RENTAL ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER WHO PURCHASED THE PROPERTY IN NOVEMBER OF 2024.
THE APPLICANTS WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR SHORT-TERM LODGING FOR VISITORS OF THE WARREN COUNTY AREA AS A LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY SERVING THE WARREN COUNTY AREA.
THE APPLICANT WILL MANAGE THE PROPERTY ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER.
THE DWELLING WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 2009 AND THERE ARE NO RECORDS OF ANY ACTIVE ZONING VIOLATIONS FOR THIS PROPERTY.
THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT CONSTRUCTION PERMIT APPROVING A MAXIMUM OF FOUR OCCUPANTS FOR THE TWO BEDROOM DWELLING.
THE PROPERTY MANAGER LIVES WITHIN A REQUIRED 30 MILE DISTANCE.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS NOT LOCATED WITHIN A SUBJECT, UH, SUBDIVISION GOVERNED BY AN HOA OR POA.
THE DWELLING MEETS THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT OF A HUNDRED FEET TO ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS.
THE CLOSEST BEING 312 FEET TO THE EAST PLANNING STAFF IS, UH, RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
NUMBER ONE, APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.
THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED THE SYSTEM CAPACITY IS DETERMINED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT PER WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION 180 DASH 56.4 B.
THE CERTIFICATE OF ZONING SHALL ONLY BE ISSUED WITH APPROVED HEALTH DEPARTMENT RECORDS.
NUMBER THREE, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE WELL WATER TESTED ANNUALLY FOR ECOLINE COLIFORM BACTERIA AND A COPY OF THE RESULTS TO BE PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
AND NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM MAINTAINED ANNUALLY BY A LICENSED OPERATOR AS REQUIRED FOR AN ALTERNATIVE ONSITE SEWAGE DISPOSAL SYSTEM.
THE APPLICANT SHALL ALSO HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM PUMPED EVERY FIVE YEARS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, A COPY OF THE SERVICE INVOICE TO BE PROVIDED TO PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US, WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING? UH, I HAVE NO QUESTION TO ADD THIS QUESTION.
YOU NEED TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FIRST.
YOU ARE PUBLIC HEARING'S OPEN.
NO, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYONE SIGN UP.
I DON'T KNOW HOW I'M GONNA GET EVEN FOR THIS, BUT
COULD I NOT COMMENT COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, OR, WELL, THE WHEN AND I FAILED TO LOOK WHEN I WAS ON THE GSF MAP, THE PROPERTY BETWEEN THAT AND THE RIVER, THE FLOODPLAIN WHO OWNS THAT, THE ONE DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH IS OWNED BY LINDA JEAN MCFADDEN.
UM, AND WARREN PERILLO, THE 7.9 ACRE PARCEL.
AND IT DOES ABUT THE RIVER IF YOU WERE TO SEE YES.
YEAH, I SAW THAT WHEN IT WAS OUT THERE, BUT I WAS JUST LIKE, YES.
UM, THE ONLY THING I I CAN SEE IS PEOPLE, BECAUSE WE'VE HAD ISSUES WITH THIS WHERE HOMES ARE CLOSE TO THE RIVER THAT, UH, TRESPASSING ACROSS OTHER PROPERTY.
IS THERE ANY KIND OF PLAN? I KNOW YOU, I THINK IT WAS YOURS THAT YOU SAID YOU WERE GONNA MARK 'EM WITH LITTLE WHITE FLAGS.
IS THERE SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE SUBSTANTIAL THAN THAT?
HI, MANDY PLUM 20TH EAST EIGHTH STREET.
I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT WHITE FLAGS.
THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN SOMEONE ELSE.
UM, BUT WITHIN OUR RULES AND REGULATIONS FOR THE HOUSE, UM, IT WOULD SAY THAT THAT IS LIKE NON-ACCESS AND THERE IS LIKE A TREE LINE BARRIER SORT OF BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES.
UM, SO WE DO INCLUDE THAT IN OUR GUEST INSTRUCTIONS.
UM, AND THE OWNER OF THAT PROPERTY HAS MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT HE'S SPOKEN WITH THAT OWNER THAT OWNS MM-HMM
THE PERSON KIND OF RUNS THIS WAY ALONG BEHIND THE HOUSE.
UM, AND THAT WE'VE MADE IT CLEAR TO THEM THAT OUR GUESTS WON'T BE ALLOWED TO ACCESS THAT.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE RING CAMERAS ON THE FRONT AND BACK OF THE PROPERTY.
SO IN THE EVENT THERE IS MOTION TO THE BACK THAT FAR, THE CAMERA WOULD PICK IT UP AND SEND US A NOTIFICATION.
UM, I DID RECEIVE A CALL FROM, UM, UM, MS. VICKI LULE, WHO WAS UNABLE TO ATTEND TONIGHT.
UM, SHE AND HER HUSBAND WERE THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPERS OF THIS,
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UH, SUBDIVISION.AND STILL, UH, THE ROADS ARE STILL BASICALLY IN THEIR NAME.
UH, THEY ARE NOT IN A SANITARY DISTRICT.
THEY ARE ONLY MAINTAINED BY THE PROPERTY OWNERS WHEN THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY OR DESIRE TO PUT ANY MONEY INTO THIS ROAD.
UH, AND THE ARROWHEAD ROAD, WHICH SERVES THIS AREA, I BELIEVE, UM, IT IS NOT A GOOD ROAD.
I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE APPLICANT PUT SOMETHING IN THEIR PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN, ESPECIALLY FOR LIABILITY REASONS, BECAUSE THAT ROAD HAS A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF POTHOLES ACCESSING PRIOR TO, UH, CROWFOOT ROAD.
AND IT MAY BE JUST A GOOD IDEA.
I KNOW, AGAIN, I YOU, YOU DON'T WANT TO DOWNPLAY, BUT THE REALISTIC REALISM IS, IS THAT THAT ACCESS ROAD IS NOT A VERY GOOD ROAD TO, TO GET TO IT.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU'D LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING.
ARROW HITS PRETTY, AT LEAST IT'S NOT STEEP.
BUT IT IS A LOT, A LOT OF POTHOLES IN IT'S SENSE.
YOU, BUT I ACTUALLY, UM, HAD A CONVERSATION WITH MS. LOU ALLEN THIS AFTERNOON.
UM, AND I'M ACTUALLY GONNA WORK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER.
I THINK SHE'S TRYING TO GET THAT INTO THE SANITARY DISTRICT WHERE IT CAN BE STATE MAINTAINED.
UM, AND I TOLD HER IT WASN'T A PROBLEM, THAT WE WERE HAPPY TO WORK WITH HER BECAUSE THAT'S HONESTLY BETTER FOR US AND FOR OUR GUESTS COMING IN, IN AND OUT, OUT.
UM, SO I ALREADY HAD LIKE ABOUT AN HOUR CONVERSATION WITH HER THIS AFTERNOON.
UM, I'VE, I'VE GOTTEN HER PHONE NUMBER AND EVERYTHING AND ALL THE INFORMATION NEEDED.
THERE'S JUST A FORM I GUESS SHE NEEDS HIM TO SIGN.
UM, AND THEN ANY OF OUR PROPERTIES ANYWAY THAT GO ANY, LIKE, COME FROM PAVEMENT TO LIKE ANY TYPE OF GRAVEL, WE ALWAYS INCLUDE IN OUR INSTRUCTIONS THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE AN ALL WHEEL DRIVER OR FOUR WHEEL DRIVE VEHICLE.
JUST DO THE BASIC TERRAIN OF THE AREA AROUND HERE.
GET A LITTLE BIT HIGHER GROUND CLEARANCE THAN MINE
YOU WOULD NOT LIKE, YOU WOULD NOT LIKE ARROWHEAD BRAKE, THAT'S FOR SURE.
BUT, OH, UH, SO THE QUESTION FOR STAFF, SO WE GOT A, A LADDER FROM THE NEIGHBOR STATING THAT THE GARAGE ENCROACHES ONTO THEIR PROPERTY.
THAT ONE CAME IN THIS MORNING.
SO, UM, YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN PROVIDED WITH A COPY OF IT.
IT DID NOT MAKE IT INTO, UM, CIVIC CLERK TO BE PUBLISHED, BUT YEAH.
UM, ESSENTIALLY THEY PROVIDED A PLA SHOWING THE GARAGE ON THEIR PROPERTY.
UM, THIS WOULD BE A CIVIL MATTER, NOT SOMETHING THAT WE, I'LL LET, I'LL DEFER THIS TO CHASE AS THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, BUT, UM, AGAIN, PRETTY MUCH BE A CIVIL MATTER.
I I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT A, A ZONING ISSUE.
IT'S NOT A, NOT HAVING LOOKED INTO, NOT A ZONING VIOLATION.
DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S LEGALLY NONCONFORMING OR WHETHER YEAH, YOU'D HAVE TO TRACK THE NEWS ENCROACHMENTS.
UM, I I THINK WE COULD LOOK INTO THOSE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT REALLY MATTERS FOR THE PURPOSE OF YOUR DECISION THIS EVENING.
I I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IF, IF IT IS IN FACT ENCROACHING THAT IT DOESN'T, IF IT WENT OFF AND ON TAX MAP.
AND, AND I CAN TELL YOU FROM WORKING IN THAT SUBDIVISION, UH, SOME THINGS ALWAYS AREN'T AS THEY APPEAR UNTIL YOU ACTUALLY GET A SURVEYOR TO MM-HMM
ALSO, IF I MAY ADD, PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF ZONING, THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO OBTAIN A CHANGE OF USE PERMIT FROM BUILDING INSPECTIONS.
SO BUILDING INSPECTIONS WILL BE GOING OUT TO CONDUCT A SITE VISIT AND AT THAT TIME, IF THERE WAS ANY UNPERMITTED WORK THAT WAS COMPLETED, BUILDING INSPECTIONS WOULD HAVE THEM TAKE CARE OF ANY UNPERMITTED WORK OR WORK THAT'S NOT ALLOWED BEFORE THEY WERE ISSUED THEIR FINAL BUILDING PERMIT.
AND ULTIMATELY THEIR CERTIFICATE OF ZONING, THEN THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET THEIR BUSINESS LICENSE OR APPLY FOR THE TRANSIENT LODGING TAX AND THEREFORE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO ADVERTISE THE PROPERTY.
SOUNDS LIKE IT'LL WORTH ALL OF ITSELF.
UM, I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST OF VESTA PROPERTIES FOR SHORT TERM TAURIST RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
I'LL SECOND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.
YOU'RE GOING TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
[VI.E. CUP2025-03-06 - Short-Term Tourist Rental - Rufino Maltez - A request for a conditional use permit for a short-term tourist rental. The property is located at 283 Sunset Village Road and is identified on tax map 27D, section 3, as lot J1. The property is zoned Residential-One (R-1) and is located in the Junewood Estates subdivision in the Fork Magisterial District. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator]
CUP 20 25 0 3 DASH OH SIX.SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL REFINO MALTES, A REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 2 83 SUNSET VILLAGE ROAD AND IS IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 27 D SECTION THREE AS LOT J ONE.
THE PROPERTY IS OWNED RESIDENTIAL R ONE AND IS LOCATED IN THE JUNE WOOD ESTATE SUBDIVISION IN THE FORK MANAGERIAL DISTRICT.
MR. LINZ, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM CHORES RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY HE PURCHASED IN OCTOBER OF 2024.
THE OWNER WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR SHORT-TERM LODGING FOR
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FAMILIES, BUSINESS TRAVELERS AND TOURISTS.THE APPLICANT WILL MANAGE THE PROPERTY PERSONALLY WITH ASSISTANCE FROM A LOCAL CLEANER.
UM, UH, JUST A QUICK OVERVIEW OF JUNE, WHAT STATES THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL, UH, SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTALS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED WITHIN THAT SUBDIVISION.
THE PARCEL, UH, IMMEDIATELY TO THE SOUTH, I BELIEVE, OR SOUTHEAST I GUESS, UH, HAS BEEN APPROVED FOR, UH, A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL.
I THINK ACTUALLY THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH AS WELL.
UM, AND, UH, WE DID ACTUALLY THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED COMMENTS FROM THE HOA THERE AND THERE'S A, IT'S A LETTER OF SUPPORT.
UM, AND THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT THAT APPROVES A MAXIMUM OF SIX OCCUPANTS FOR THE FOUR BEDROOM DWELLING.
UH, AND IT DOES MEET THE, UH, SETBACK REQUIREMENT OF 100 FEET FROM NEIGHBORING DWELLINGS.
THE CLOSEST, UH, DWELLING IS APPROXIMATELY 153 FEET TO THE NORTH.
AND LIKE I SAID, IT IS CURRENTLY USED AS A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL.
UH, SO, UH, WE'RE WORKING WITH THE FOLLOWING OR THE STANDARD RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WITH AN ALTERNATIVE SEPTIC SYSTEM.
NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.
THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED THE SYSTEM CAPACITY AS DETERMINED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT PER WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION 180 DASH 56.4 B.
THE CERTIFICATE OF ZONING SHALL ONLY BE ISSUED WITH APPROVED HEALTH DEPARTMENT RECORDS.
NUMBER THREE, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE WELL WATER TESTED ANNUALLY FOR E COLI AND COLIFORM BACTERIA.
A COPY OF THE RESULTS SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO PLANNING AND HEALTH DEPARTMENTS.
AND NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM MAINTAINED ANNUALLY BY A LICENSED OPERATOR AS REQUIRED FOR AN ALTERNATIVE ONSITE SEWAGE DISPOSAL SYSTEM.
THE APPLICANT SHALL ALSO HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM PUMPED EVERY FIVE YEARS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, AND A COPY OF THE SERVICE INVOICE SHALL BE PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.
ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING TO MR. LEN'S? COMMENTS? UH, NO.
PUBLIC HEARING'S OPEN THIS TIME.
BUT ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK? THAT DID NOT SIGN UP.
PUBLIC HEARINGS, CLOSED COMMENTS, QUESTIONS OR NO COMMENTS? PRETTY
MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE HIM, I MOVE THAT THE, UH, I, SHE LAUGHED AND CONFUSED ME.
I MOVED THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THE APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST BY LIN MALSON.
WHAT HE SAID FOR SHORT TERM DUR RENTAL WITH THE CONDIT CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
OPPOSED? LOOKS LIKE THE AYES HAVE IT.
YOU'LL BE FORWARDED ON TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR.
[VI.F. SV2025-03-01 - Subdivision Variance - Michael and Tina Litwin - A request for a variance from Warren County Code §155-3.B(1)(b) of the Subdivision Ordinance to allow the voluntary transfer of a proposed family subdivision lot to an immediate family member within the required five (5) years of having held fee simple title to the property. The property is located at (0) Bordentown Lane and identified on tax map 35, as lot 33. The property is zoned Agricultural (A) and located in the John F. Payne Properties subdivision adjacent to the railroad in the South River Magisterial District. - Matt Wendling, Planning Director]
20 25 0 3 DASH OH ONE SUBDIVISIONS MAR OH SUB SUBDIVISION VARIANCE.MICHAEL AND TINA LITWIN A REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE FROM THE WARREN COUNTY CODE 1 55 DASH THREE B ONE B OF THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE TO ALLOW VOLUNTARY TRANSFER OF PROPOSED FAMILY SUBDIVISION LOT TO AN IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBER WITHIN THE REQUIRED FIVE YEARS OF HAVING HELD FEE.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT BORDER TOWN LANE AND IDENTIFIES ON TAX MAP 35 AS LOT 33.
THE PROPERTY IS OWNED AGRICULTURE AND IS LOCATED IN THE JOHN F. PAYNE PROPERTY SUBDIVISION ADJACENT TO THE RAILROAD IN THE SOUTH RIVER MA MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.
UH, THE APPLICANT'S PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY, WHICH IS 58.658 ACRES IN OCTOBER OF 2 20 23, WITH THE INTENT OF FARMING THE PROPERTY AND POSSIBLY SUBDIVIDING IT FOR THEIR FAMILY FOR A FAMILY SUBDIVISION.
UM, THE APPLICANT'S DAUGHTER WORKS FOR THE WARREN COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEMS AND HER FAMILY CURRENTLY LIVES IN SHENANDOAH SHORES.
MRS. LITWIN, UH, PROVIDES CHILDCARE FOR HER GRANDCHILDREN WHILE THEIR PARENTS ARE AT WORK.
UH, SHE ALSO ASSISTS, UH, AS A CHAUFFEUR AND TAXI DRIVER FOR HER GRANDKIDS TO VARIOUS APPOINTMENTS AND SOCIAL ACTIVITIES.
BEING ABLE TO SUBDIVIDE THE PROPERTY AT THIS TIME WOULD ALLOW THE FAMILY TO RESIDE ADJACENT TO THEM AND SAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME AND TRAVEL TO HER DAUGHTER'S CURRENT RESIDENCE.
THE APPLICANTS WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SUBDIVIDE THE
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PROPERTY THIS YEAR IN ORDER TO DEED THE LOT TO THEIR DAUGHTER AND SON-IN-LAW SO THEY CAN BUILD A HOME NEXT TO THEM IN THE NEAR FUTURE.THE LIT WINDS HAVE STATED THEY ARE WILLING TO ACCEPT THE CONDITION TO KEEP THE FAMILY LOT WITHIN THE FAMILY FOR NINE YEARS AS PART OF THE SUBDIVISION VARIANCE APPROVAL, AND ARE WILLING TO HAVE THE ADDITIONAL TIME PLACED ON THE FAMILY SUBDIVISION PLATS TO COMPENSATE FOR THE FULL 10 YEAR WINDOW OF OP OF OWNERSHIP.
UH, SINCE THE LIT WINDS HAVE OWNED THE PROPERTY FOR OVER EIGHT AND A HALF YEARS, UH, AT THE END OF THE SUBDIVISION VARIANCE PROCESS, WE ARE RECOMMENDING A CONDITION FOR THAT AMOUNT OF TIME BE PLACED ON THE SUBDIVISION VARIANCE.
UM, STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND THAT IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED AND THAT THE BOARD APPROVE THE REQUEST, THE CONDITION WOULD BE PLACED ON THE SUBDIVISION PLAT.
THAT THE LOT MAY NOT BE VOLUNTARILY TRANSFERRED TO A NON IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBER FOR AT LEAST EIGHT AND A HALF YEARS AFTER THE APPROVAL OF THE FAMILY SUBDIVISION PLAT.
IN LIEU OF THE REQUIRED FIVE YEARS, UH, THIS WOULD MAKE THE TIMEFRAME APPROXIMATELY 10 YEARS AND CONCURRENT WITH THE ORDINANCE, UH, REQUIREMENT OF FIVE YEARS TO SUBDIVIDE AND FIVE YEARS TO TRANSFER OUTSIDE OF THE FAMILY.
UM, THE 3.56 ACRE PARCEL IS ACCESSED BY A 30 FOOT WIDE PRIVATE ACCESS EASEMENT.
IT, IT HAS, UH, SOIL WORK AND MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS FOR A BED FOUR BEDROOM PERK.
UM, THE RECOMMENDED CONDITION IS THE LOT SHALL NOT BE VOLUNTARILY TRANSFERRED TO A NON IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBER FOR EIGHT AND ONE HALF YEARS AFTER APPROVAL OF THE FAMILY SUBDIVISION PLAT.
THIS WOULD BE IN LIEU OF THE REQUIRED FIVE YEARS TO MAKE THE TOTAL TIMEFRAME.
UH, THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.
ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED MR. MRS. LITWIN ARE HERE THIS EVENING.
UH, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE AND, UM, I'M SURE THEY WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY THAT YOU HAVE FOR THEM.
THERE'S ANYTHING WE WANT TO ADD TO, UH, IF, IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS, NO.
OH, LET'S OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I DON'T SEE, YOU CAN HARDLY SEE ANYBODY HERE, SO I THINK WE'RE PRETTY SAFE ON THAT ONE.
CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR NO? UM, I'LL SAY FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE, I THINK THIS IS GREAT.
I DON'T THINK THAT IT MEETS THE CRITERIA FOR A VARIANCE.
UM, A VARIANCE CAN'T BE FOR JUST, UH, ECONOMIC HARDSHIP AND ALSO IN THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
UM, ONE OF THEIR CRITERIA FOR A VARIANCE IS THAT IT CAN'T BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED BY A CHANGE TO THE CODE.
AND THIS IS NOW THE FOURTH VARIANCE FOR A FAMILY SUBDIVISION WITH THE SAME ISSUE WE'VE SEEN IN FOUR YEARS.
I THINK THAT INSTEAD OF CONTINUING TO GRANT THESE VARIANCES ON A ONE-OFF BASIS, THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT REVISING THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE.
UH, BUT I, I DON'T SUPPORT THIS VARIANCE ON THE FACT, UH, I DON'T THINK IT MEETS THE CODE.
I DO SUPPORT IT THAT I THINK IT'S A GOOD USE AND I WOULD LIKE THEM TO BE ABLE TO, TO PROVIDE THE LOT FOR THEIR DAUGHTER.
WOULD YOU'D LIKE TO CHANGE THE CODE A LITTLE BIT? I WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE THE CODE, NOT TONIGHT.
'CAUSE I'M NOT READY TO DO THAT ON THE FLY.
THE ORIGINAL 10 OF THE CODE WAS, SO TO PUT THE TIMEFRAME ON IT SO THAT, UH, YOU COULDN'T USE IT JUST TO CUT A LOT OFF AND SELL IT.
IT WAS JUST, IT WAS JUST FOR FAMILY NEED AND, UH, ABOUT HALF A STAY IN A FAMILY 10 YEARS.
I REALLY DON'T CARE IF IT'S THREE.
EIGHT, FOUR OR, YOU KNOW, UH, HOW THAT GOES.
AND, UM, IF IT, IF THEY'RE ONLY COMING IN ONCE A YEAR WITH THE PROBLEM, I DON'T MIND GRANTING A VARIANCE.
BUT, UH, AS LONG AS THE 10 YEAR BEFORE IT CAN BE LISTED LIKE JUST GENERAL REAL ESTATE, I THINK IT'S FAIR TO TO, TO BLOCK IT THAT WAY.
BUT ALL THAT'S WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVALS DOES DO, CORRECT? MM-HMM
YOU JUST ADD THE TIME ON THE END CORRECT.
AND I, I HAD NO PROBLEM WITH DOING IT THAT WAY.
IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WHEN I, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD SOLUTION.
I JUST THINK THAT IT NEEDS TO BE CODIFIED FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
AND I I DON'T THINK THAT YOU, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO GRANT A VARIANCE FOR ECONOMIC HARDSHIP AND, AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS.
BUT YOU GOTTA, YOU GOTTA GRAD ALL THE WAY ACROSS TAIL AND IT'S A TIME THING.
IT'S NOT NECESSARILY MONEY YOU WANT YOUR GRANDKIDS NEXT DOOR, BUT THAT'S NOT
WELL, I I DIDN'T READ IT AS AN ECONOMIC HARDSHIP.
IT'S A, A 'CAUSE OF GM BE BUILDING
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A NEW PROPERTY OR NEW HOUSE THERE.BUT THAT IS NOT A SUBSTANTIAL INJUSTICE OR HARDSHIP.
AND, AND THEN THERE'S A, A LIST OF FIVE THINGS WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE THAT YOU HAVE TO MEET IN ORDER TO QUALIFY FOR A VARIANCE.
UM, I, I DON'T THINK, JUST TO BE CLEAR, UH, YOU'RE CORRECT THAT THERE'S A LIST OF FIVE THINGS IN THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, BUT IF YOU GO TO THE DEFINITION SECTION OF THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE IN PARTICULAR, UM, THE PART PERTAINING TO FAMILY SUBDIVISIONS AND LOOK AT B FIVE B THREE OF THE FIVE THINGS ARE, ARE EXHIBITED FROM THIS ANALYSIS, THOSE BEING ITEM ONE, TWO, AND FIVE.
SO THAT LEAVES YOU WITH ITEM THREE AND FOUR FROM THAT LIST, ALONG WITH THE ANALYSIS AS TO WHETHER PARTICULAR CONDITIONS PERTAINING TO THE PROPERTY OWNER, WHICH HAVE ARISEN SINCE THE PROPERTY OWNER REQUIRED THE PROPERTY TO BE CONVEYED, UH, WHETHER A PARTICULAR HARDSHIP WOULD RESULT AS DISTINGUISHED FROM
SO THERE, THERE IS A HARDSHIP ANALYSIS, BUT IT'S SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN THE ONES THAT I THINK YOU WERE LOOKING AT.
I I DID MISS THAT, UM, REFERENCE, BUT I, I STILL THINK THREE APPLIES.
UM, AND THAT'S FROM 1 55 18 B THREE, CORRECT? YEAH.
UM, AND, AND AGAIN, IT, IT COMES DOWN TO IT CAN'T BE FOR FINANCIAL GAIN OR AVOIDANCE OF A FINANCIAL LOSS.
I, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE DOING THAT HERE.
I JUST, I JUST, I I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE.
YEAH, I READ IT AS A CONVENIENCE.
I, I'LL JUST MENTION A, A COUPLE OF ITEMS. UM, THE STATE CODE JUST RECENTLY CHANGED, UM, AND MR. UH, BOWMAN HAS INFORMED US OF THAT FOR SUBDIVISIONS.
SO THERE ARE, HE IS SUGGESTING WE MAKE THOSE CHANGES, UM, TO BE COMPLIANT WITH THE STATE CODE.
UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE AT THAT TIME WE CAN ANALYZE IF, IF THIS IS SOMETHING WE WANT TO CHANGE.
UM, THERE HAS BEEN A PRECEDENT SET FOR THIS AND A NUMBER OF THINGS.
I KNOW THERE HAS BEEN, AND I'VE SPOKE AGAINST THOSE TOO.
SO THAT IS A BIT OF A CHALLENGE THERE.
UM, AND AGAIN, UH, I, YOU KNOW, I, I PUT THIS IN MY STAFF REPORT BECAUSE IT DOES SHOW THAT THE CRITERIA FOR, FOR, UH, YOUR, YOUR HARDSHIP AND SUBSTANTIAL INJUSTICE.
SO, UM, THAT'S A MATTER OF INTERPRETATION BETWEEN ALL OF YOU.
UM, BUT, UM, JUST KIND OF MOVING FORWARD, UH, IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN WORK WITH IF WE CAN HELP A MOMENT AND JUST LOOK AT IF WE CAN HELP IT, I'LL DEFINITELY TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
WE'RE UPDATING SOME OTHER STUFF ANYWAY.
IT'S A MATTER, REALLY, IT'S KIND OF WHY WE DID ADDED THE EXTRA FAMILY SUBDIVISIONS FOR THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE A COUPLE YEARS AGO TO GIVE THE FAMILIES A LITTLE BIT MORE OPPORTUNITY TO SUBDIVIDE MM-HMM
UM, SO THAT WE CAN KEEP FAMILIES TOGETHER IN WARREN COUNTY, ESPECIALLY ONES THAT ARE WORKING IN WARREN COUNTY.
SO CONSEQUENTLY, FROM A PLANNING STANDPOINT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS WOULD BE GOOD PLANNING TO MAYBE ADDRESS THAT AND MAYBE, UH, FIND A WAY TO CODIFY IT.
AND IF MR. ROMAN HAS ANY, I THINK HE COULD ADD TO THAT, JUST A COUPLE.
WE ARE GONNA BE BRINGING SOME SUBDIVISION, UH, CHANGES TO YOU PRIOR TO JULY ONE WHEN THE TEAM LAWS TAKE EFFECT.
THOSE ARE UNRELATED TO THIS MM-HMM
BUT, UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD DO IT AT THE SAME TIME.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO SEPARATE THE MERITS OF THIS ISSUE FROM WHETHER OR NOT THE COACH WOULD BE, UH, AND HAPPY TO WORK AN AMENDMENT IF YOU WANT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S A FAIR REASON TO VOTE YES OR NO.
I, I DON'T THINK THAT OUR CODE CURRENTLY, THE WAY I READ OUR CODE, IT DOES NOT CURRENTLY ALLOW FOR VARIANCE FOR THIS REASON.
AND THAT THAT'S A, THAT'S A GOOD REASON.
I, AND, AND SO I, I WILL BE VOTING NO, I HAVE A FEELING I KNOW
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, SO I WOULD THEN STATE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US REVISIT THIS MAYBE WHEN WE LOOK AT THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, UM, CHANGES AND, AND CODIFY A MECHANISM WHERE, UH, A CASE LIKE THIS I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE, UM, APPROVING OR RECOMMENDING FOR APPROVAL BECAUSE I, I DO THINK THIS IS A GOOD USE.
MY ONLY ISSUE WITH IT RIGHT NOW IS THAT I DON'T THINK OUR CODE ALLOWS FOR IT.
ANYTHING ELSE FOR A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
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I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST FOR MICHAEL AND TINA LIPMAN FOR A SUBDIVISION VARIANCE TO ALLOW FOR A FAMILY SUBDIVISION TO AN IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBER WITHIN THE REQUIRED FIVE YEAR OF THE GRANTOR, HAVING HELD SIMPLE TITLE, OR, SORRY, SORRY.SIMPLE TITLE TO THE PROPERTY WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT THE GUARANTEE FAMILY MEMBER MUST RETAIN OWNERSHIP OF THE PROPERTY FOR A PERIOD OF EIGHT AND A HALF YEARS PRIOR TO BE VOLUNTARILY TRANSFERRED TO A NON IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBER.
CARRIE, ON TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR WITH APPROVAL.
[VII. Consent Agenda]
CONSENT AGENDA.MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED.
I'LL SECOND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? A AYE, AYE.
OPPOSED? CONSENT AGENDA IS APPROVED COMMISSION
[VIII. Commission Matters]
MANNERS PLANNING DIRECTOR, MR. WINLAND, WHAT DO I HAVE ON THERE? UM, WELL WE DID IT, WE GOT IT THROUGH THE BOARD.COULDN'T HAVE, COULDN'T HAVE DONE IT WITHOUT 'EM.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT GIVES US, GIVES THE COUNTY AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK FORWARD, SEE WHAT THEY WANNA SEE, UH, IMPLEMENTED, WANTED TO SEE CHANGED DOCUMENT, UH, HOW THOSE CHANGES ARE.
AND, UM, ALLISON AND KELLY HAVE KIND OF THINGS IN PLACE TO, TO, UH, FOR THEIR TICKLER FILE FOR 2030.
WHEN THAT COMES AROUND, THEY'LL, THEY'LL BE KEEPING THINGS IN ORDER.
CHASE HAS GOT HIS WORK CUT OUT FOR HIM FOR, UH, ZONING ORDINANCE, UH, IMPLEMENTATION AND DRAFTING.
SO, UM, BUT IT WAS, UH, IT WAS A LONG, UM, SOMEWHAT TEDIOUS PROCESS AT TIMES.
BUT, UH, WE, WE WERE JUST REALLY PLEASED TO GET, GET IT THROUGH.
AND I'D LIKE TO THANK THE, UH, CITIZENS WHO PROVIDED SURVEY COMMENTS AND CAME TO OUR COMMUNITY OUTREACH.
OBVIOUSLY PLANNING DIRECTORS FOR THE TIME YOU SPEND IN THE WORK SESSIONS AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TAKING THEIR INDIVIDUAL TIME WITH COUNTY STAFF TO, UH, ADDRESS, UH, SOME OF THEIR CONCERNS THAT THEY CAME ACROSS DURING THE REVIEW.
SO, UM, FOR NOW, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
COMMISSION MEMBERS, MR. BOARD.
JUST REITERATE WHAT MATT SAID.
UM, GREAT JOB STAFF GETTING THE COMP PLAN DONE.
UM, I ALSO WILL LETTING THE BOARD KNOW I WILL NOT BE HERE, UM, FOR THE JUNE MEETING.
WELL, CONGRATULATIONS ON THE COMP PLAN, UH, SINCE WE STARTED THIS ONE IN 2019.
WHEN DO WE NEED TO START THE NEXT ONE?
IT TOOK, IT TOOK US SIX, IT TOOK US SIX YEARS TO GET HERE.
SO
AND THEN WE GOT COVID, THAT KIND OF BACKWARDS
UM, I, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, 2029.
BUT IN THAT TIME, UH, IF WE KEEP, WE HAVE A COMMUNITY PROFILE DOCUMENT THAT IS A REALLY GOOD TOOL FOR THE COUNTY.
IT'S LIKE A SHORT LIST OF A COMP PLAN.
THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CAN USE.
I MEAN, YOU CAN USE IT FOR BASICALLY AGRITOURISM SCHOOLS AND, AND YOU KNOW, WHEN PEOPLE COME TO THE COUNTY, HERE'S THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, A SNAPSHOT.
SO I THINK IF, IF THE COMMUNITY, UM, PROFILE SHEETS ARE MAINTAINED IN EVERY YEAR ON, ON THE ANNUAL, EVEN EVERY SIX MONTHS, WE CAN KIND OF TRACK SOME OF THAT.
UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DATA, DEMOGRAPHIC DATA, THE SCHOOL DATA.
AND THEN WHEN, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE COMING INTO THAT 20, 29 A YEAR BEFORE THE STATE REQUIRES US TO REVIEW IT, YOU KIND KIND OF GOT EVERYTHING IN PLACE.
AND THEN IN THAT TIME, YOU ALSO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ANALYZE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GET AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, ORDINANCE PASSED, YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ANALYZE THAT MAYBE HAVE CLUSTER SUBDIVISIONS, THOSE ORDINANCES THAT ORDINANCE IS WORKING OR NOT WORKING.
UH, AND YOU KNOW, PRETTY MUCH A LOT OF THE ZONING MAP WHAT'S HAPPENED WITH THE, THE PROPERTIES IN THE CORRIDOR AND AROUND THE
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COUNTY.SO, UH, IT'S, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE YOU JUST GOTTA KEEP YOUR HAND ON IT.
UM, AND, UH, THE PULSE OF THE COMMUNITY AND SEE WHERE THEY WANT TO GO.
WE KNOW THAT THIS COMMUNITY WANTS TO REMAIN RURAL AND, AND AGRICULTURAL, BUT THE TRADE OFF IS YOU DO HAVE TO HAVE THAT TAX BASE MM-HMM
OR PAY FOR THE GOODS AND SERVICES THAT PEOPLE EXPECT.
AND SO, UH, THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF IT.
IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A TIGHT ROPE.
IT'S A BALANCING ACT THAT, UH, PLANNING STAFF AND THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, NEW DEVELOPMENT FOLKS, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, ALL HAVE TO WALK.
AND, UH, IT'S, IT'S A REAL CHALLENGE TO BE A CHALLENGE, BUT, UH, I THINK YOU KEEP THE LINE OF COMMUNICATION OPEN.
I THINK WE REALLY APPRECIATED, UH, MS. RICHARDSON'S, UH, INPUT FOR THE ACT TOURISM PORTION OF THE CONFLICT AND SEE HOW THAT GOES IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT SAID, I THINK WE'LL BE IN GOOD HANDS.
STAFF, STAFF HAS GOT A HANDLE ON WHAT THEY WANT TO DO AND SEE.
SO, UM, INTERESTING TO SEE WHERE WE, WELL, THE SMALL AREA PLANS THAT WE RECEIVED, YOU KNOW, LATE LAST FALL, THOSE WOULD'VE BEEN GREAT TO GET AT THE BEGINNING, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE ROCKLAND AND YOU KNOW, GET THE COMMUNITY INPUT.
YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT.
AND, AND WE WERE FORTUNATE THAT PRIVATE, UH, NONPROFITS KIND OF SPEARHEADED, RIGHT? THOSE, AND UH, IT SAVED THE COUNTY A BUNCH OF MONEY.
WE, WE, WE JUST SPENT MONEY ON STAFF FUND AND A LOT OF PAPER
SO, UH, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING YOU HAD TO GET AHEAD OF THE GAME MAYBE, MAYBE IN 20 0 8, 20 28, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD HAVE A COUPLE OF THOSE, MAYBE NEW BROWNTOWN AGAIN, MAYBE THE TON AREA, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, UH, WORK DISTRICT, THAT KIND OF THING.
AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, BRING THAT TO THE TABLE AND START DOING THEIR SURVEYS IN 2029.
AND THEN YOU'VE GOT SOME GOOD FEEDBACK.
YOU'RE BRINGING THE PUBLIC IN, THEY'RE HAVING A SAY.
AND, UH, I THINK EVERYBODY LIKES, YOU KNOW, TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
UM, NOT JUST COME HERE AND SPEAK TO PUBLICATIONS.
AND I THINK I'LL TELL YOU, IF WE GET CHICK-FIL-A, WE'RE GONNA BE REALLY LOOKING GOOD UP HERE.
CONGRATULATIONS TO EVERYBODY ON A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, I WILL SAY A LITTLE BIT OF A BITTERSWEET, BUT I AM PROBABLY, UM, THIS MIGHT BE MY LAST MEETING I HAD TO MEET WITH CHERYL AND KIND OF SHARE WITH HER.
I KNOW THAT YOU PROBABLY DON'T KNOW ALL THE THINGS THAT I'M DOING ON MY END, UM, BUT MY BOOK IS COMPLETE AND I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS LOOK LIKE FOR ME.
UM, SO I'M, I'M HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF A MOMENT WHERE IT'S LIKE, I WANNA COMMIT, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW WHERE, WHERE THIS IS GOING TO TAKE ME.
UM, SO FOR RIGHT NOW, I FEEL LIKE MY, MY POSITION WOULD PROBABLY BE BEST SERVED WITH SOMEBODY THAT HAS A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, STABILITY WITH THEIR SCHEDULE.
UM, SO BIG ACCOMPLISHMENT, CHECK THE BOX.
BUT I WILL SAY WHOMEVER IS IN THIS POSITION, UM, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S A FEW PEOPLE THAT WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT, DEFINITELY HAS, YOU KNOW, THE MINDSET OF AGRICULTURE DEFINITELY HAS THE MINDSET OF, UM, YOU KNOW, BEING FOR THE PEOPLE AND AS WELL, YOU KNOW, AS A BUSINESS OWNER.
UM, SO I DON'T QUITE KNOW ALL THE THINGS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I THINK RIGHT NOW THIS IS PROBABLY GONNA BE THE BEST FOR ME TO, UH, TO DO IS JUST TO KIND OF LEAVE IT IN SOMEBODY'S HANDS THAT HAS THE ABILITY.
SO, 'CAUSE YOU THINK YOUR MOM MIGHT BE INTERESTED? ACTUALLY I DO
SHE HAS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, SO
YEAH, ACTUALLY I DO BE SURPRISED.
WE WERE ACTUALLY JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT YESTERDAY AND I THINK THAT SHE WOULD BE A GREAT FIT.
UH, BUT OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, SHE HAS TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S GONNA FIT FOR HER SCHEDULE.
BUT THERE ARE A FEW OTHER PEOPLE.
UM, BUT YEAH, THE, THE, THE BOOK IS NOW DONE AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE I'M GONNA END UP WITH THIS, SO, SO WE, WE MIGHT KNOW SOMEONE HERE FAMOUS.
UH, NO, BUT, BUT YEAH, IN ALL HONESTY, I, I KNEW THIS WAS POSSIBLY GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT I, I NOW, AFTER THIS WEEK ALONE AND KIND OF SEEING THE THINGS THAT ARE ROLLING, I'M, I JUST WAS LIKE, I, I, I DON'T WANNA LEAVE ANYBODY HANGING, UM, BEFORE IT REALLY GETS CRAZY.
SO, BUT, BUT I HAVE VERY MUCH ENJOYED, UM, BEING ABLE TO DO THIS AND DEFINITELY
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SPEAKING FOR THE FARMERS.UM, I AM, YOU KNOW, WORKING ON HELPING OUR LOCAL FARMERS LEARN HOW TO MAKE A PASSIVE INCOME.
YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SO MANY OTHER THINGS THAT I'D LOVE TO CONTINUE TO DO AND TEACH.
AND SO YEAH, THIS WAS A STEPPING STONE AND I MIGHT BE BACK.
WHO KNOWS? SO, BUT THANK YOU GUYS.
WELL,
UM, SPEAKING TO WHAT SCOTT HAS SAID, THAT IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.
WE, KELLY AND I, AT SOME POINT THIS WEEK ARE GONNA SIT DOWN AND SKETCH OUT A ROADMAP FOR GOING FORWARD.
I KNOW BASED ON WHAT YOU HAD SAID PREVIOUSLY, WE ARE TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION HOW DO WE EXPAND OUR COMMUNITY OUTREACH, BECAUSE WE DID GET A LOT OF GOOD FEEDBACK FROM THE ONE COMMUNITY OUTREACH, UM, MEETING THAT WE DID DO ON THIS TIME AROUND.
AND WE KIND OF WANT TO EXPAND THAT A LITTLE AND START THERE BEFORE WE START THE REVISION OF THE COMP PLAN.
SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE AWARE OF AND ARE THINKING ABOUT DOING.
OTHER THAN THAT, I HAVE NOTHING.
MRS. BALL, UH, I THINK ALLISON AND MATT COVERED EVERYTHING.
UM, REMEMBER ME, I WANNA SIGN.
UM, UH, STILL HAVE THE OPENING ON THE BZA.
FIND SOMEONE IN THE FORK DISTRICT FOR ME, PLEASE.
UM, GOOD JOB TONIGHT, HUGH, BEING CHAIRMAN AND CONGRATULATIONS, KAYLEE.