* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:04] OKAY, SO [1. Call to Order – Jerome "Jay" Butler — Chair, Board of Supervisors] WE ARE READY TO, UH, CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. AND, UM, JUST WANTED TO GO OVER THE, UH, UH, MAKE SURE THAT, UM, UM, EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT'S, UH, WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA. FIRST IS THE, UH, JOINT TOW TOWING BOARD REQUEST, WHICH MR. BUTLER, WE ARE GONNA BE REMOVING THAT. OKAY. BECAUSE, UM, MRS. KNIGHT, MS. KNIGHT, WHO ACTUALLY CAME, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS OCTOBER OR JULY, BUT SHE JUST, SHE CAME TO LIAISON MEETING AND TALKED ABOUT SOME CHANGES THAT THE, THEIR BOARD WOULD LIKE TO MAKE. AND THEN, UM, SHE REACHED OUT AFTER, AFTER SHE ASKED TO BE ON THE AGENDA. THEN SHE REACHED OUT AND SAID THAT THEY WERE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SEND SOMEBODY TONIGHT. AND SO, OKAY. UM, MR. PRESLEY LET HER KNOW THAT THE NEXT ONE WILL BE IN JULY. ALRIGHT. SO MAYBE JULY WILL REVISIT IT THEN. OKAY. UH, THE SECOND ONE, THE, THE NEXT ONE IS THE SEPTIC HALL RATE OF THE, UH, THE THIRD ONE THAT WILL BE, UH, OR THE, THE SECOND ONE THAT WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT IS THE MOU REGARDING THE BUILDING CODE ENFORCEMENT DISCUSSION, FOLLOWED BY A REISER ROAD BOUND BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT REQUEST. UH, AND, UM, THE MOU REGARDING AVTEC PROPERTY DISCUSSION, AND THEN FINALLY THE LAW ENFORCEMENT PRACTICE SHOOTING RANGE. SO, YEP. THAT, THAT'S EVERYTHING WE HAVE. OKAY. I MEAN, YOU GUYS DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO ADD IN THIS? NO, WE DIDN'T. OKAY. . ALRIGHT. UM, SO [3. Septic Haul Rate — Town] THE FIR SEPTA CALL RATE, AND SO EACH OF THESE WERE THINGS BROUGHT FORWARD BY THE TOWN, SO I'M ASSUMING WE WE'RE GONNA, UM, PRESENT THAT. SO, UM, I, MR. WILSON'S HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT IT, IT, IT WAS BASICALLY JUST TO NOTIFY YOU THAT THERE IS GONNA BE A RATE INCREASE BASED ON A RECENT STUDY REFORM FOR THE TOWN. DO YOU WANT ME TO, I MEAN, DO YOU ALL WANT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FOR THAT AT THIS TIME, OR, UM, MR. WILSON'S, YOU KNOW, HERE TO PRESENT? YES. I WAS JUST GOING TO REMIND THE BOARD. THIS IS PAID BY THE HAULERS. MM-HMM . UM, THE COUNTY JUST COLLECTS IT AND THEN PAYS ON TO THE TOWN. THANK YOU. IT'S GOING FROM 50 TO 50, EIGHT TO 50 AND THEN, UH, TWO AND A QUARTER PERCENT INCREASE YEAR OVER YEAR, THE NEXT, UH, FIVE YEARS. UH, WHICH AT THAT TIME WE WOULD DO ANOTHER RATING OR ANOTHER, UH, RATE STUDY. SO IT'S GOING FROM 50 TO TO 58, 55, 55. AND THEN IT'LL BE STABILIZED FOR, UH, WELL IT WILL GO UP, UH, TWO AND A QUARTER PERCENT YEAR OVER YEAR FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. OKAY. AND THEN WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT AFTER THAT. CORRECT. AND SEE IF, IF THAT'S TOO MUCH, TOO LITTLE OR JUST RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT. HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN AT 50? UH, AT LEAST SINCE 1999. OH, WOW. OKAY. SOUNDS LIKE THIS IS OVERDUE. . YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. UM, SO THE NEXT THING IS NUMBER, WELL, I'M NOT GONNA REFER TO THE NUMBERS 'CAUSE THE NUMBERS ARE OFF. RIGHT. SO, UM, THE [4. MOU Regarding Building Code Enforcement Discussion — Town] NEXT ONE WAS ABOUT THE MOU REGARDING THE BUILDING CODE AND ENFORCEMENT DISCUSSION. AND I KNOW THAT, UM, BOTH OF YOU GENTLEMEN WEREN'T HERE AT THE TIME THAT THIS, UM, ALTHOUGH I BELIEVE YOU HAD JUST TAKEN IN JANUARY, 2020. I, I MAY HAVE BEEN THERE IF IT WAS WHEN VICKY WAS IN, OR, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, MS. COOK WAS IN THE AUDIENCE AND RAISED IT. UH, I, I, OKAY. IT, IT WENT ON FOR A WHILE. THERE WAS LOTS OF DISCUSSION AND AT ONE POINT THE TOWN, UM, HAD, UH, WE WERE GONNA DO OUR OWN BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND, UM, AND THEN, UH, COUNCIL VOTED TO REPEAL IT. UM, AND YES, SO THE, THE SUMMARY IS THERE, BUT REALLY THE REASON WHY WE WANTED TO BRING IT UP IS THAT THE ACTUAL MOU, UM, ISN'T, IT'S, UH, OBSOLETE BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY REFERS TO STATE CODES THAT, THAT DON'T, THEY, THEY WERE BASICALLY ELIMINATED, LIKE OKAY, ACTUALLY THEY WERE ELIMINATED YEARS BEFORE THAT MOU WAS WRITTEN. HMM. UM, SO AND SO THERE WERE DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE MOU, THERE WERE CERTAIN SPECIFIC THINGS, BUT UM, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE IT TALKS ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE ALL ATTEND THAT BOTH THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY ATTENDED. THAT WAS AN MOU MM-HMM . THERE'S REALLY NO NEED FOR THAT TO BE IN THERE. UM, BUT OVERALL THERE REALLY NEEDS [00:05:01] TWO INSTEAD OF ONE MOU, UM, BECAUSE THE WAY THE STATE REFERS TO IT NOW, IT WOULD BE BETTER TO HAVE TWO SEPARATE MOUS MM-HMM . ONE DEALING WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, AND THEN ONE DEALING WITH EROSION AND SEVEN. OKAY. SO THAT'S KINDA, UM, SO SINCE THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT REGULATIONS IN THE STATE, WE THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER TO HAVE TWO, UM, TWO DIFFERENT MOUS AND, UM, ANOTHER, SO, ALRIGHT. SO THAT WAS ONE THING. UM, AND WHEN WE TALK, THE, THE GOAL WOULD BE THAT OUR STAFF AND, AND EVEN US, YOU KNOW, WE COULD GET TOGETHER, BUT PROBABLY STAFF WOULD BE THE BEST. MM-HMM . UM, METHOD FORWARD IS TO GET THEM TOGETHER TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY THINK NEEDS TO BE IN, UH, EACH OF THOSE MOUS AND MOVE FORWARD FROM THERE. AND WHEN WE GET TO THE PART ABOUT THE EROSION AND SEDIMENT, UM, ASPECT OF THAT, WE DO HAVE SOME GREAT CONCERNS ABOUT THAT, SOME ACTUAL PROBLEMS THAT HAVE BEEN HAPPENING THAT THAT UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE TO GIVE SOME DEEP THOUGHT INTO THAT MM-HMM . AND, AND, UH, WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. UM, AND ANOTHER PIECE THAT'S IN THAT MOU THAT I JUST WANTED TO BRING UP TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS WERE AWARE, SO WHEN THAT MOU WAS WRITTEN, THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY BOTH USED SOMETHING CALLED INTER GOV MM-HMM . UM, AND THE TOWN NO LONGER USES ENTER GOV THEY USE I WORK. UM, AND SO ONE OF THE MENTIONS IN THAT MOU WAS TALKING ABOUT LIKE HOW MUCH LIKE THAT THE TOWN WOULD PAY SO MUCH AND, YOU KNOW, BUT WE ARE NO LONGER USING IT WAS WE'RE USING A DIFFERENT PROGRAM THAT OUR STAFF LIKES AND IT'S BEEN MORE COST EFFECTIVE FOR US. UH, AND ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT, THAT HAS BEEN COMING UP IS THAT I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S LIKE A THREE TO FOUR YEAR WINDOW OF HISTORICAL DATA THAT WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS WHEN WE SWITCHED OVER. MM-HMM. AND SO WHEN OUR STAFF NEEDS TO GET INFORMATION FROM, UH, COUNTY STAFF, UM, THEY'RE BEING CHARGED FOR IT. SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS ARE AWARE OF THAT, ALMOST LIKE A FOYER REQUEST MM-HMM . AND EVEN THOUGH IT'S REALLY INFORMATION THAT'S ABOUT, UM, IT'S A, IT'S PERMITS AND STUFF THAT WERE ACTUALLY THE TOWN LIKE IN THE TOWN AND THE TOWN DID IT MM-HMM . SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE'RE PAYING TO GET OUR OWN INFORMATION, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. SO WE'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THAT AT SOME POINT TOO. UM, YEAH. NOW THAT'S, THAT'S JUST AN ADMINISTRATIVE FEE THOUGH, BE BECAUSE IT'S LIKE, UH, IT'S LIKE, UH, HAVING THE, THE COUNTY COME IN AND PROVIDE SOME SERVICES TO THE, TO THE TOWN AND, UH, WHEN THAT'S REQUESTED, THE TOWN DOES IT AT NO CHARGE. YEAH. SO THE, SO, SO ANYWAY, THE UH, UM, SO I THINK THE BEST THING FOR US TO DO IS, IS TALK WITH THE STAFF MM-HMM . AND SEE WHAT TYPE OF, UM, UM, THEY CAN LOOK AND TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT CHANGES THEY WANT TO MAKE IN THIS AGREEMENT, SIR. SURE. THEY CAN DIVIDE IT INTO TWO. YEAH. OKAY. WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO EVEN LOOK AT THE AGREEMENT ON THE ONE TRACK AND ON ANOTHER TRACK. JUST LOOK AT THOSE THREE TO FOUR YEARS. MAYBE THERE'S A WAY WE CAN DO A ONE-OFF DUMP INTO SOME SORT OF DATA FILE THAT YOU CAN THEN IMPORT TO YOUR SYSTEM. THAT'S OUR HOPE. YEAH. WE'LL NEED TO TALK TO, UM, HE'S HERE TODAY I THINK, BUT MR. BEAM MIGHT KNOW, UM, OR OTHER STAFF, UH, MAYBE IT WOULD KNOW TOO. SO THAT, AND THAT'S REALLY, THAT THAT WAS THE WHOLE IDEA IS JUST THAT WE CAN FIGURE OUT A WAY TO JUST MAKE IT, YOU KNOW YEAH. A LITTLE MORE EFFICIENT. MAYBE THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO SAY THAT. SO, AND IF THAT'S LIKE A LOT OF WORK, LIKE A HEAVY LIFT, WE MIGHT HAVE TO CHARGE, BUT IT WOULD BE ONE AND DONE AND THEN IT WOULD, THEN YOU'D HAVE EVERYTHING YOU NEED IN THE FUTURE. AND IF THAT, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE. YEAH. SO WE'LL GET, WE'LL GET OUR STAFF TO TALK. YEAH. OKAY. IS THAT, IS THAT DOABLE? THAT'LL WORK. WOULD THAT WORK? OUR STAFF TO TALK AMONGST OURSELVES? YEAH. UM, SO ALL RIGHT. I THINK, I THINK THAT'S EVERYTHING ON THAT ISSUE. OKAY. THAT I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THE MOUS WOULD ADDRESS. THIS IS JUST SEPARATE FROM THE MOU ISSUE. UM, IT'S JUST STRICTLY FOR RECORDATION FOR THAT THREE TO FOUR PERIOD MM-HMM . YEAR TIME PERIOD. SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD NEED TO BE WRITTEN UP IN AN MOUI DON'T BELIEVE THAT WOULD JUST BE SOMETHING, IT'S JUST MORE LIKE AN UNDERSTANDING. OKAY. AND IT'S NOT JUST FOR EFFICIENCY, BUT TO BE ECONOMICAL BECAUSE, UM, I KNOW MR. BUTLER MENTIONED ITS ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS, BUT WE DID CONFER WITH THE TOWN STAFF [00:10:01] AND IF THE COUNTY REQUESTS DOCUMENTATION FROM THIS TOWN, WE DON'T CHARGE A FOIA FEE. AND AS EVERYBODY KNOWS, TOWN CITIZENS OR COUNTY CITIZENS. SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE PAYING FOR A SERVICE THAT WE'VE ALREADY PAID FOR TWICE, WHICH I KNOW IS AN ONGOING CONVERSATION, BUT YEAH. AND, AND THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT IS WHEN WE WERE BOTH USING INTER GOV, IT WAS JUST AN EASY WAY FOR THEM TO ACCESS, BUT, 'CAUSE WE'RE USING A DIFFERENT PROGRAM, SO YEAH. WHAT'S THE NAME OF YOUR PROGRAM AGAIN? I WORK, I WORK, I WORK OR I WORK, I WORK, I WORK. SO. OKAY. UM, ALRIGHT. I THINK THAT'S EVERYTHING FOR THAT AT THIS POINT. UM, LEMME MAKE SURE I, GREAT. OKAY. AND WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY, I DON'T WANNA SAY A TIMEFRAME AT THIS POINT, BUT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, PROBABLY ADDRESSING THAT, ESPECIALLY WITH, YOU KNOW, THE MAJORITY OF WHAT SEEMS LIKE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S HAPPENING IS HAPPENING IN THE TOWN. SO I THINK WE ARE, WE'RE SEEING MORE, UH, NEED FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, BUILDING PERMITS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND SETTLEMENT THAN, THAN YOU GUYS ARE PROBABLY MAYBE, I DUNNO, UH, [5. Criser Road Boundary Line Adjustment Request/Discussion — Town] NUMBER FIVE IS THE BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT. SO, UM, ACTUALLY HAVE MAPS ABOUT THIS MR. YOU ALREADY HAVE ONE, RIGHT? YEAH, WE HAVE SOME, I'VE GOT AN, SO KIND OF THIS, THIS CAME TO LIGHT WHEN WE WERE, UH, TALKING ABOUT SIDEWALKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND YOU GUYS CAN SEE FROM THE RED LINE THAT'S IN THERE. SO BASICALLY, UM, EAST AND WEST ER ROAD NEEDS A BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT TO BRING THE ENTIRETY OF IT, OF TOWN MAINTAIN RIGHTS AWAY WITHIN THE TOWN LIMITS. UM, AND LET ME JUST SAY LIKE, WE ARE ALREADY TAKING CARE OF IT, SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE ASKING, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE THERE'S SOME GREAT VALUE TO THIS. IT'S MAINLY JUST TO, UM, TO, TO MAKE THINGS RIGHT AND HOW IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN. SO, SO, SO THE, SO THE, UM, SO THE, THE BOTTOM MAP IS A CONTINUATION OF THE TOP MAP? YES. LEMME SEE THE BOTTOM. YES. THE BOTTOM IS THE WESTERN PART OF ER ROAD AND THEN THERE'S ESSENTIALLY MATCH ON THE TOP HALF. IT CROSSES OVER THREE 40 AND HEADS DOWN TO ESSENTIALLY 5 42 THERE. OKAY. ROAD. AND, AND SO WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS TO ADJUST THE TOWN AND IS, IS THERE A BEFORE AND AFTER ON HERE OR? I, I BELIEVE THE, THE CONCEPT THAT RED LINE IS THE CURRENT CORPORATE LIMITS. OKAY. AND THE CONCEPT IS TO MOVE THAT RED LINE TO THE LINE THAT YOU SEE BELOW IT, THAT IS THE EDGE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY. SO THEN IT WOULD ENCOMPASS THE ENTIRE ROAD. YEAH. I THINK THIS RIGHT HERE, SEE WHERE IT'S LIKE BLACK AND DASH. OKAY. SO THE IDEA WOULD BE MOVE IT DOWN. SO, SO THEN BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS YOU'RE, YOU'RE JUST INCLUDING, UH, ALL OF CRIER ROAD TO INCLUDE THE, THE SIDEWALKS. YEAH. YEAH. WELL, AND WE'RE ALREADY MAINTAINING IT, SO, UM, LAUREN, I I THINK THAT'S THAT I'M NOT LEAVING ANYTHING OUT. THAT MAKES SENSE. GO AHEAD. I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT, UH, WHILE SIDEWALKS WERE A DISCUSSION, THEY BECAME A PART OF THE DISCUSSION FOR THE BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT AS A RESULT OF THE COUNTY SUBMITTING AN OUT OF TOWN WATER REQUEST. YES. THERE WAS A CHURCH THAT HAD PURCHASED A PARCEL OFF OF ER ROAD AND UNFORTUNATELY THE WAY THAT THE ANTIQUATED PROPERTY LINES ADJUST, IT WAS IN THE COUNTY, BUT NEEDED TOWN INFRASTRUCTURE SERVICES FOR WATER AND SEWER. SO THE COUNTY SUBMITTED TO THE TOWN AND OUT OF TOWN WATER REQUEST MM-HMM . WHICH THEY WERE GOING TO PROFFER SIDEWALKS FOR THAT AREA. BUT THAT WAS WHEN THIS ALL REALLY CAME TO LIGHT, THAT IT WAS AN ISSUE WHEN, WHEN THEY STARTED LOOKING INTO IT, THAT'S WHEN IT CAME ABOUT THAT, UH, OH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LINES MM-HMM . THE LINES WEREN'T RIGHT. AND SO, AND LIKE I SAID, I MEAN WE, UM, I MEAN LIKE YOU CAN SEE HERE WHERE LIKE WE WERE HAVING NEW PROCESS, LIKE TECHNICALLY THIS IS WHERE IT STOPS AND WE'RE, WE'RE ARE MAINTAINING ER ROAD. YOU UNDERSTAND? RIGHT. MR. DELEY. IT MAKES SENSE. IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE. WE'RE JUST MOVING THE RED LINE OVER TO MATCH THE BLACK LINE. YEAH. OKAY. AND [00:15:01] IT REQUIRES, UH, IT'S ALL ABOUT THE ROAD THOUGH, AND IT DOESN'T TOUCH ANY REAL PROPERTIES THAT, THAT PRIVATE PEOPLE, CITIZENS OWN? NO, IT WOULD'VE BEEN WHATEVER OUR YEAH. IT WOULD'VE BEEN OUR PROPERTY. WELL, I MEAN OURS, YOURS, IT WOULD'VE BEEN YEAH. ONE RIGHT OVER TO THERE. SO. OKAY. AND LIKE, I, I MEAN, I WAS GONNA SAY OTHERWISE IT WOULD BE YOUR ALL'S RESPONSIBILITY TO MAINTAIN THAT ROAD. I DOUBT THAT'S WE'RE NOT YOURS, BUT IT WOULD BE. YEAH. THE VDOT WON'T PAY US FROM THE ROAD. RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. SO YOU HAVE TO DO IT RIGHT. SO YOU THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAY, THIS IS A WIN-WIN FOR EVERYBODY. RIGHT. IT'S A PRETTY SIMPLE THING. IT JUST REQUIRES TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS. RIGHT, RIGHT. AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE EXPLAIN IT SO NOBODY MISUNDERSTANDS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. UM, AND I THINK THE TOWN ATTORNEY'S GONNA DRAW IT UP. YEAH. WE'LL WORK OUT. I KNOW HE'S LOOKED AT IT SO WE'LL, WE'LL SEE WHAT WOULD BE NEEDED TO MOVE THIS FORWARD, BUT IT'S PRETTY, PRETTY EASY FOR US. OKAY. UM, SO THE [6. MOU Regarding Avtex Property Discussion — Town] NEXT ITEM WAS THE MOU REGARDING THE ABT TAX PROPERTY DISCUSSION. AND SO JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS. ONE, WERE YOU GUYS AWARE THAT THERE WAS AN MOUA 1999 MOU THAT ACTUALLY, UH, TALKED ABOUT, UH, THE PROPERTIES AND HOW THEY WOULD BE OR HOW THEY COULD BE CONVEYED? THERE'S SO MUCH, THERE'S, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE CONVEYED TO THE TOWN AND COUNTY THAT THAT'S, ARE YOU GUYS AWARE OF THAT? I WAS NOT. I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT. NO. I WAS GONNA SAY IT, IT WAS, UM, IT JUST MOST RECENTLY WAS I MADE MORE AWARE OF IT. UM, AND AT THIS TIME IT, IT APPEARS AS THOUGH THAT LIKE I 30, LIKE ABOUT 30, APPROXIMATELY 30, 32 ACRES HAVE ALREADY BEEN CONVEYED TO THE COUNTY. AND I'M PRETTY SURE THAT'S WHERE THE SOCCER PLEX IN THAT AREA IS CLOSE TO FIVE ACRES HAD BEEN CONVEYED TO THE TOWN. AND THAT'S WHERE THE FRONT WALL PD IS LOCATED. MM-HMM . AND SO WE JUST WOULD LIKE TO, UM, JUST, WE'D LIKE TO ENTERTAIN THAT. UM, I, I BELIEVE THERE'S MAYBE ONE OR TWO SMALL PARCELS THAT ARE LEFT A PART OF THAT AND THE TOWN WOULD LIKE TO BE CONSIDERED OR LIKE FOR THAT TO BE CONVEYED TO THE TOWN. UM, I THINK IT MIGHT BE FOUR ACRES. I'M NOT SOMEWHERE AROUND FOUR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO REALLY WE JUST WANTED TO BRING IT UP TO MAKE SURE THAT IF YOU GUYS ARE AWARE, UM, AND YEAH, SO, AND I, I DON'T THINK IT'S, LET ME SEE. I GUESS IT'S NOT HERE, BUT I DON'T, I'M ASSUMING YOU ALL WOULD HAVE A COPY OF THAT HERE, YES OR NO? DO YOU THINK MR. DALEY, WOULD YOU GUYS HAVE A COPY OF THAT IN THERE? IT'S, IT IS IN THE PACKET. I THINK IT'S WHAT YOU HAVE. ALL RIGHT. I WAS GONNA SAY, I THOUGHT IT, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE. SO, UM, AND IT REFERS TO LIKE PARAGRAPHS THREE AND FOUR. UM, THERE'S OTHER STUFF IN THERE, BUT THAT WAS THE MAIN THING WE JUST WANTED TO TALK ABOUT. UM, I BELIEVE IT STARTED OFF WITH LIKE 117 ACRES AND UM, AND THE TOWN WOULD JUST LIKE TO PLAY A PART IN THAT DISCUSSION OF IT BEING CONVEYED BECAUSE IT SHOULD BY, THERE'S, IT'S A THREE PARTY AGREEMENT IN TOWN COUNTY AND EDA AND WE'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE PART OF A DISCUSSION OKAY. IF AT ALL POSSIBLE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, AGAIN, THAT MIGHT BE A CONVERSATION THAT WE HAVE OUR STAFF, UM, EITHER OUR LEGAL WITH ADA'S LEGAL, UM, OR IF THESE TWO GENTLEMEN WANT TO TALK AND THEN GET WITH LEGAL WHAT, UM, INTERRUPT SOMEONE. OKAY. SO WOULD IT BE BEST FOR YOU, YOU GUYS TO GET WITH OUR LEGAL AND GET WITH EDA OR, OR WOULD IT BE BETTER FOR YOU ALL TO DO THAT OR A FURTHER CONVERSATION AMONGST US? ACTUALLY, I THINK YOU NEED TO TALK TO EDA ABOUT IT. OKAY. THAT'S BECAUSE THAT'S, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT HAVE TO CONVEY IT. RIGHT. SO, SO YEAH. OKAY. BUT I JUST MAKING SURE THAT YOU GUYS WERE AWARE 'CAUSE THAT SHOULD BE HAPPENING. THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN HAPPENING. IT IS A THREE PARTY MOU. YEAH. IT'S, IT. SO THE COUNTY IS A PART OF THAT. YEAH. YOU GUYS ARE A PART OF THE MOU. IT'S A THREE PARTY, UM, AGREEMENT OR YEAH. ALRIGHT. WHICH THE COUNTY HAS BEEN CONVEYED THE SOCCER FIELD AS A RESULT OF IT BEING A THREE WAY, I THINK. RIGHT. YOU GUYS HAVE, I BELIEVE YOU ALL THE COUNTY WAS CONVEYED, I THINK IT WAS 32 ACRES AND THE TOWN'S BEEN CONVEYED BY FIVE ACRES. SO BEFORE ALL THE ACREAGE IS GONE, WE'D LIKE TO EXPRESS SOME INTEREST IN MM-HMM . UH, A SHARE OF WHAT WAS, UH, ORIGINALLY AGREED TO IN 1999. IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO, UM, TO SEE THE MAP. UM, I SEE SOMETHING IN HERE ABOUT THE SMALLEST NUMBER OF ACRES I SEE ON THIS MOU IS, LOOKS LIKE EIGHT ACRES IS MENTIONED IN, UH, ON THE SECOND PAGE OF IT, ITEM THREE. BUT YEAH, IF IT'S FOUR OR FIVE ACRES, WHATEVER IT IS, I'D JUST LIKE TO UNDERSTAND [00:20:01] A LITTLE BIT BETTER. OKAY. NO, I I I DIDN'T MEAN ANY DECISIONS WOULD BE MADE HERE TONIGHT. YEAH. IT WAS JUST THAT BECAUSE IT IS A THREE PARTY AGREEMENT, IT'S THE TOWN COUNTY AND EDA THAT WE WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, EXPRESS IT TO YOU ALL AND THEN I GUESS WE'LL, UM, MAYBE THE NEXT STEPS FORWARD WOULD HAVE OUR LEGAL TO CONTACT ED A'S LEGAL AND YOUR LEGAL AND THEY SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT IT FROM THERE. SO LIKE I SAID, JUST WANNA BE A PART OF THE DISCUSSION AND NOT BE LEFT OUT OF IT. SO, UM, [7. Law Enforcement Practice Shooting Range — Town] THE LAST THING IS REALLY JUST A QUESTION . UM, THIS CAME UP, UH, IN TOWN COUNCIL'S, UH, TALKING ABOUT, UM, OUR FUTURE, OUR FUTURE PLANS. AND I KNOW THAT IN OCTOBER I THINK IT WAS, UH, IT WAS, YEAH, IT WAS OCTOBER MAYBE. YEAH. ABOUT, UM, DO YOU GUYS, HAVE YOU ALL HIRED ANY KIND OF A CONSULTANT YET IN TERMS OF LIKE, OF A SHOOTING RANGE? UH, UH, THE LAST TIME WE TALKED THE TALK WAS IS THE TOWN WAS GOING TO EVENTUALLY THAT MIGHT BE A PLAN FOR LIKE SOMETHING INDOOR. AND I KNOW YOU ALL WERE IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS AT THE SAME TIME AND WE TALKED ABOUT MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING THAT EVENTUALLY OUR TWO BODIES WOULD TALK ABOUT. AND THE SUGGESTION WAS MADE TO JUST, IF YOU, HAVE YOU GUYS HIRED A CONSULTANT? IT'S, IT'S A YES OR NO, YOU DON'T KNOW? WELL, THE SHORT ANSWER IS NO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THE SHORT ANSWER, IF YOU REMEMBER BACK AT THE TIME, WE SUBMITTED A REQUEST TO THE STATE, UH, ASKING, UM, FOR SUPPORT IN THE STATE BUDGET TO HAVE A REGIONAL FACILITY THAT WOULD BE MULTI-JURISDICTIONAL. AND WE DID NOT GET ANY FAVORABLE RESPONSE TO THAT. SO THAT HAS NOT BEEN, WE HAVE NOT INITIATED ANYTHING ON OUR OWN AT THIS TIME. WHEN YOU MEAN WHEN YOU SAY FAVORABLE, DID YOU GET A RESPONSE? KIND OF. OKAY. YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T, WASN'T IT WASN'T A YES WE WILL OR YES, WE IN THE, IN THE STATE NO, NO LINE ITEM IN THE BUDGET IS A RESPONSE. OKAY. YES. IT'S NOT, THAT'S WHAT I MEANT. LIKE YOU DID GET A RESPONSE, IT WASN'T A YES OR NO, YOU DIDN'T, RESPONSE IS NOT, WE, IT'S NOT THERE. RIGHT. GOTCHA. OKAY. SO THAT LEADS ME TO MY QUESTION. UM, I HAVEN'T REVIEWED THE PROPOSALS FOR THE COUNTY BUDGET ENTIRELY, BUT HAS THE COUNTY BUDGETED OR ARE THEY PLANNING TO BUDGET FUNDS FOR A CONSULTANT FOR THE SHOOTING RANGE? NOT AT THIS TIME, NO MA'AM. I THINK, I THINK THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION FOR US. SHERIFF HAS OTHER PRIORITIES, MA'AM, I SORRY, MY WATCH TIME. THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE ONLY QUESTIONS IN OKAY. THAT WE HAD. IS THERE ANY, I KNOW THERE'S NOTHING ELSE ON THE AGENDA, BUT IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU ALL NEED FROM US OR, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE MUCH THIS TIME AND UH, MIGHT BE A RECORD SHORT MEETING . YEAH, WELL TAKE IT. WHERE'S, WHERE IS THAT? I WAS GONNA SAY HE WAS WHEN WE GOT HERE. HE WAS SAYING IT WOULD BE, THIS IS LIKE YOUR ALL'S FRIDAY 'CAUSE THE COUNTY'S OFF TOMORROW AND HE SAID WE COULD GET OUTTA HERE BY SEVEN 20. AND I SAID, WELL NO, I SAID NO PROMISES. I'M GONNA TELL YOU WE DID EVEN BETTER THAN SEVEN 20. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S IT. NO, I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING THAT THE COUNTY HAS. RIGHT. WHEN, WHEN WE NUMBER THE ONE ABOUT THE SEPTA CALL ABOUT NOTIFYING YOU GUYS ABOUT AN UPCOMING RATE INCREASE, JUST THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR IN THE FALL WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT RATE INCREASES AND WE HAD SAID AT THE TIME, LIKE, WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE GIVE YOU GUYS A HEADS UP IF THERE'S GONNA BE A RATE INCREASE, ANY TALK YET ABOUT TIPPING FEES INCREASE? 'CAUSE THIS IS APRIL. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, YOU WON'T KNOW YET OR DO YOU ALL AND IS THERE ANYTHING MORE WE CAN SAY? IT'S OKAY IF YOU, IF YOU CAN'T, I WOULD SAY, UM, IT'S FAIR TO SAY AT THIS POINT THERE'S AN ENTHUSIASTIC RESPONSE. OKAY, GOTCHA. YEAH. 'CAUSE IT, THE, TO, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THE, UH, THE, THE COUNTY HERE IS, IS, UH, WE'RE, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY WE'RE KIND OF AT THE MERCY OF A THIRD PARTY, SO YEAH. GOTCHA. AND, UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM VERY, IT'S VERY SLOW GOING. I GOTCHA. I GOTCHA. AND THAT'S GOOD. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE WANNA, WE JUST WANNA KNOW THIS, WE HAD THE STUDY DONE AND WE SET OUR RATES AND THEN THAT CHANGED THINGS AND, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THE RATES ARE GONNA CHANGE AGAIN, WE MAY NEED TO LOOK AT SOME OF OUR SERVICES AND WHAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO PROVIDE AND WHAT WE CAN'T. SO THAT WAS REALLY WHAT WE, I JUST KIND OF GETTING A HEADS UP. SO ANYWAY, AS A COURTEOUS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. I GUESS YOU ALL KNOW UNTIL YOU LOST OFFSET YOUR BUDGET. YEAH, WELL I [00:25:01] JUST BASED ON THE FACT THAT WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED IT VERY MUCH YET, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA HAPPEN THIS TIME AROUND BECAUSE WE DID IT LAST YEAR AND I THINK IT'S PROBABLY, PROBABLY GONNA, I MEAN, IS THAT A SAFE BET DO YOU THINK? I THINK THAT'S PRETTY CLEAR, SIR. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. BUT WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO, TO HOLD THE, HOLD THE TAXES DOWN AND HOLD, HOLD THE, UH, AS MUCH DOWN AS WE CAN. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, AREN'T WE ALL RIGHT, ? WE ALL OKAY. ALRIGHT. THAT'S ALL WE HAD. WELL, ALRIGHT, IF NOBODY ELSE, UH, HAS ANYTHING ELSE, THEN I WILL, UH, SEE YOU GUYS AGAIN. ENJOY. ALL IN FAVOR OF ADJOURNMENT, . AYE. AYE. AYE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.