Apr 22, 2025 Board of Supervisors Work Session

I'M ORIGINALLY FROM ROCHESTER, NEW YORK.

SO MY NAME IS JONATHAN BROER.

I'M THE SALES REPRESENTATIVE OR DISTRICT MANAGER HERE IN VIRGINIA.

UM, I'M A NEW VIRGINIA RESIDENT.

AND, UM, I MOVED DOWN HERE THIS PAST JULY, UH, TO TAKE ON THE ROLE HERE AS DISTRICT MANAGER HERE IN VIRGINIA.

UM, MY COWORKER, HE'S NOT WITH ME, BUT ME AND HIM ARE TANDEM DOWN HERE IN VIRGINIA.

WE GO VISIT MANY CUSTOMERS TOGETHER.

HIS NAME IS BLAKE SIFT AND HE'S A REGIONAL TECHNICAL MANAGER, AND HE, HE HANDLES MORE OF THE NERDY, TECHNICAL ASPECTS OF WHAT WE DO.

I'M MORE OF THE CONTRACT GUY, UM, TRYING TO HELP FACILITATE, UH, CONTRACTS WITH NEW COUNTIES AND CITY GOVERNMENTS.

UM, SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT EAGLEVIEW.

WE'RE PRIMARILY AN AERIAL IMAGERY PROVIDER, UM, AS WELL AS DIFFERENT TYPES OF SOFTWARE TO VIEW THAT IMAGERY AND ANALYTICS TO JOIN WITH AN IMAGERY AS WELL.

UM, WE HAVE A LITTLE OVER A THOUSAND EMPLOYEES.

WE WERE FOUNDED IN ROCHESTER, NEW YORK.

MY HOME, MY HOME CITY.

AND, UH, YOU MAY HAVE HEARD OF US.

WE USED TO BE CALLED PICTOMETRY.

UM, THAT NAME STILL CARRIES A LOT OF WEIGHT.

UM, EVEN OUR PAYCHECKS STILL SAY PICTOMETRY ON IT.

SO EVEN THOUGH THAT WE'RE STILL EAGLEVIEW, UM, NOW, BUT, UH, WE WERE FOUNDED IN 1998 BY TWO COLLEGE GRADUATES, UM, FROM ROCHESTER INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY, WHICH IS A UNIVERSITY IN ROCHESTER, NEW YORK.

UH, A LOT OF THE TECHNOLOGY I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT TODAY IS PROPRIETARY TO US.

IT'S PATENTED.

UM, AND WE HAVE A VERY SUCCESSFUL HISTORY OF DEFENDING OUR PATENTS.

ONE OF THOSE PATENTS IS, UM, THE ABILITY TO STITCH OBLIQUE IMAGERY TOGETHER INTO A MOSAIC.

UM, WHAT WHAT'S AN OBLIQUE IMAGE? IT'S A SIDE ANGLE IMAGE OF A STRUCTURE, AND YOU GET TO SEE ALL CARDINAL DIRECTIONS OF THAT STRUCTURE.

UM, AND AN ORTHO IMAGE IS TOP DOWN, SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU WOULD SEE WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING IN GOOGLE MAPS.

UM, SEARCHING FOR AN ADDRESS OR SO.

BUT I'LL, I'LL ACTUALLY SHOW YOU GUYS SOME IMAGERY.

I'LL SHOW YOU THE GOOD STUFF HERE AFTER I GET THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION.

BUT I JUST WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT IT.

UM, WE HAVE A, WE, CUSTOMERS THAT COME ON BOARD WITH US TEND TO STICK WITH US.

WE HAVE 90% CUSTOMER RETENTION RATE, UM, VERY HAPPY CUSTOMERS, UM, OVER 1.7 BILLION IMAGES IN OUR DATABASE.

AT ONE POINT, WE WERE ONE OF AMAZON'S, UH, WEB SERVICES LARGEST.

UH, WE TOOK UP THE MOST SPACE IN THEIR, UH, UM, WAREHOUSES WHERE THEY STORE THE IMAGERY IN THEIR DATA CENTERS, WHICH I KNOW IS A GOOD DATA CENTERS IS A BIG WORD AROUND HERE IN, UH, NORTHERN VIRGINIA.

SO I'VE BEEN LEARNING SINCE I MOVED DOWN HERE.

UM, AND WE HAVE IMAGERY COVERING A LARGE PORTION OF THE US POPULATION OVER 94%.

THIS NEXT SLIDE HERE IS SHOWING ALL OF OUR CURRENT CUSTOMERS IN VIRGINIA.

UM, THE GREEN IS THE CURRENT CUSTOMERS.

THE GRAY ARE HOPEFULLY FUTURE CUSTOMERS.

AND, UH, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE, BUT YOU CAN SEE WARREN COUNTY IS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE AND THE NORTH THERE, UH, BETWEEN SHENANDOAH F KI UP THERE AND, UH, FREDERICK TO THE NORTH.

UM, WHY DO I WANNA SHOW YOU THIS? ONE REASON IS IF, UH, THE COUNTY DECIDES TO WORK WITH US AND PARTNER WITH US, YOU WILL GET ACCESS TO ALL OF THOSE NEIGHBORING COUNTIES, IMAGE LIBRARIES.

UM, WHY IS THAT USEFUL? UM, SOMETIMES EMERGENCY SERVICES NEED TO GO ACROSS COUNTY BORDERS, AND IF THEY NEED TO CHECK SOMETHING WHILE THEY'RE ON A MOBILE APP, OUR MOBILE APP EPISODE, THEY CAN REVIEW THAT IMAGERY TOO.

IT'S ALL, IT'S REALLY GOOD TOO, IN NATURAL DISASTER SITUATION.

'CAUSE MOTHER NATURE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT YOUR COUNTY BOUNDARY.

UM, IT'LL CROSS THAT BOUNDARY REGARDLESS OF WHERE IT IS.

UM, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU GUYS THAT TOO.

TYPICALLY, WHEN WE TALK TO COUNTIES ABOUT WORKING WITH US, UH, WE TRY TO TARGET, UH, WE CALL IT THE THREE LEGGED STOOL, UM, PROPERTY ASSESSMENT.

SO ASSESSORS, WE INTEGRATE OUR IMAGERY INTO CANVAS SYSTEMS THAT HELPS, UH, ASSIST THEM WITH, UH, PROPERTY ASSESSMENT, UH, FROM VIA DESKTOP.

UM, PUBLIC SAFETY.

WE, OUR IMAGERY INTEGRATES WITH 200 PLUS DIFFERENT, UM, COMPANIES VIA CAD AND CAMERA PROVIDERS.

SO, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY CAN VIEW THEIR IMAGERY WITHIN THEIR CAD SYSTEM.

UM, AND THEN GIS

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OUR IMAGERY, WE HAVE A LOT OF GEO-REFERENCE INFORMATION.

A LOT OF DATA GOES INTO OUR IMAGERY TOO.

AND A LOT OF GI IS FOLKS LIKE USING THAT FOR THEIR, UH, VARIOUS, UM, WHATEVER THEY'RE DOING ABOUT PROCESSES ANALYTICS WITHIN THE COUNTIES AS WELL.

UM, AND THE THREE LEGGED STOOL IS QUICKLY BECOMING A FOUR LEGGED STOOL.

AS, UM, WITH OUR NEW ONE INCH IMAGERY, OUR BEST RESOLUTION IMAGERY WE HAVE, UM, WHERE YOU CAN START TO SEE DEGRADATION AND STRUCTURES.

UH, YOU CAN LOOK AT, UH, SIGNS, YOU CAN READ SIGNS, UTILITIES AND WHATNOT.

SO, SO LET'S SAY YOU DECIDE TO GET IMAGERY WITH US.

HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY IS AUTHORIZED TO USE THAT IMAGERY? EVERYONE.

SO YOU HAVE A COUNTY EMAIL ADDRESS, YOU CAN CREATE AN ACCOUNT IN OUR CONNECT SOFTWARE, AND YOU CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT IMAGERY.

UM, EVERYONE IN THE COUNTY GETS ACCESS TO IT.

ANY DEPARTMENT, UM, ANY PERSON WHO WORKS FOR THE COUNTY CAN USE OUR IMAGERY VIA OUR CONNECT SOFTWARE.

UM, SO WHAT I'M GONNA DO HERE, UM, YEAH, EXCUSE ME.

THIS IS FOR THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE, ISN'T IT? YEP.

IT'S FOR ASSESSMENT.

UM, IT'S WHERE SHERRY WANTS TO PRIMARILY GET IT TO, BUT I WANNA SPEAK TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY ASPECTS OF IT AS WELL.

IS THIS FOR THE COMMISSIONER REVENUE? YEP.

COMMISSIONER REVENUE.

AND I, I APPRECIATE YOU, UH, SPEAKING UP TOO.

IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS WHILE I'M GOING, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE AS I'M GOING THROUGH THIS.

SO, AS PART OF OUR CONTRACTS, YOU GET, YOU ALSO GET SOMETHING WE CALL OUR DISASTER RESPONSE PROGRAM.

WHAT THAT MEANS IS IF A NATURAL DISASTER HITS YOUR COUNTY, UM, WE WILL FLY THAT DISASTER FOR YOU FREE OF CHARGE AS BEING A PART OF OUR, UH, AS BEING, HAVING A CONTRACT WITH US, UM, UP TO 200 SQUARE MILES.

SO EF FOUR TORNADO OR HIGHER.

UM, IF A HURRICANE CATEGORY TWO COMES THROUGH, WHICH I KNOW NOT BEING AS CLOSE TO THE COAST, BUT AS WE SAW WITH, UM, SOUTHERN VIRGINIA AND IN NORTH CAROLINA, HURRICANES CAN STILL HAVE AN IMPACT IN LAND AS WELL, BUT I WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU TOO.

IT'S SOMETHING WE REALLY, UH, VALUE AND HOLD DEAR TO OUR HEARTS.

UH, I WAS A PROJECT MANAGER FOR EAGLEVIEW BEFORE BECOMING A SALES REP DOWN HERE.

AND I CAN TELL YOU, UH, BEING ON THE OPERATION SIDE, UM, WHEN A DRP COMES IN OR A DAMAGE, UH, DISASTER RESPONSE PROGRAM CALL, WE TAKE IT VERY SERIOUSLY.

IT'S ALL HANDS ON DECK MOMENT.

ONE TIME WE HAD A C OUR CEO WENT AND, UH, HAND DELIVERED.

HE CARRIED A, A HARD DRIVE FROM ONE OF THE AIRPLANES THAT JUST LANDED TAKING IMAGERY AND, UH, BROUGHT IT ALL THE WAY BACK UP TO ROCHESTER FOR PROCESSING, JUST SO WE COULD GET THAT IMAGERY TO OUR CUSTOMER AS FAST AS POSSIBLE.

ALSO, WITH OUR CONTRACTS, WE PROVIDE FREE UNLIMITED TRAINING TO THE COUNTY THROUGHOUT THE LIFE OF THE CONTRACT.

SO IF YOU FIND THAT OTHER DEPARTMENTS, UM, LIKE THE ASSESSOR'S DEPARTMENT NEEDS ADDITIONAL TRAINING, THEY HAVE NEW PEOPLE ON BOARD, UM, ANYONE PLEASE CONTACT US AND WE WILL GET THAT TRAINING SET UP FOR YOU.

UM, SINCE COVID IS TYPICALLY A WEB-BASED, HOWEVER I BELIEVE WE DO ALSO OFFER IN PERSON AS WELL, SO WE CAN HAVE TRAINERS COME OUT TO HERE AND HELP YOU WITH THAT AS WELL.

ALRIGHT, SO LET'S GET TO THE GOOD STUFF.

YOU GUYS WANNA SEE SOME IMAGERY? I'LL SHOW YOU ALL SOME IMAGERY HERE TOO SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT WE GOT.

SO BEFORE YOU MOVE ON SURE.

THIS IS IMAGING THAT THE COMMISSIONER WOULD USE FOR TAX ASSESSMENTS? YEP.

THIS IS WHAT, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE SEEING.

I'M GONNA BE SHOWING YOU AN EXAMPLE OF ONE INCH IMAGERY FROM THE CITY OF INDIANAPOLIS.

UM, I HAVE TO CONFIRM WITH, UH, SHERRY, WHICH ONE SHE PUT, SHE PRESENTED, BUT I PROVIDED HER TWO OPTIONS OF IMAGERY.

ONE WAS A ONE INCH OPTION, WHICH IS GONNA BE THE EXAMPLE I'M SHOWING YOU HERE, AND ALSO A THREE INCH RESOLUTION OPTION.

SO, SLIGHTLY LESSER DEGREE RESOLUTION, BUT STILL EXTREMELY VALUABLE FOR PROPERTY ASSESSMENT.

WHAT'S THE SOURCE OF THE IMAGERY? WHERE DO, HOW DO WE ACQUIRE IT? YEAH, SO GREAT QUESTION.

WE, UH, WE FLY IT, UM, VIA CESSNA AIRCRAFT, SO FIXED WING AIRCRAFT.

WE FLY OVER THE COUNTY.

IT'S KIND OF LIKE MOWING A LAWN.

UM, IT'S, UH, IT'S NOT THE MOST, UH, FASCINATING TYPE OF FLYING.

HOWEVER, UM, A LOT OF THE PILOTS WE BRING ON BOARD, USUALLY THEY'RE PILOTS TRYING TO GET THEIR HOURS FOR THEIR LICENSING.

SO WE GET A LOT OF TRAINEES THAT TAKE ADVANTAGE IN OF US AND, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY GET THEIR HOURS IN.

ANY OTHER GREAT QUESTIONS? I'M ALL ABOUT QUESTIONS.

THIS IS THE CITY OF INDIANAPOLIS.

SO THIS WEB BROWSER IS SHOWING YOU OUR CONNECT EXPLORER SOFTWARE.

THIS IS OUR CURRENT SOFTWARE THAT YOU CAN USE TO VIEW OUR IMAGERY.

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UM, A CAPTURE, AN IMAGERY CAPTURE THAT WAS TAKEN IN MARCH OF 2024.

THIS IS THE SOLDIERS IN SAILORS MONUMENT, UH, DOWNTOWN.

AND I BELIEVE, FUN FACT, MY MEMORY SERVES ME RIGHT.

UM, NO SHADOWS ARE ALLOWED TO TOUCH THE MONUMENT ITSELF.

SO ALL THE BUILDINGS YOU CAN SEE ARE A LITTLE BIT SMALLER, UH, NEAR THERE.

IT CAN ONLY CAST ITS OWN SHADOW AROUND THAT PERIMETER.

BUT I'M JUST GONNA ZOOM IN HERE AND START SHOWING YOU AS WE GET INTO THE NITTY GRITTY HERE.

SO I'M GONNA START GOING AROUND HERE.

THIS IMAGE IS AN OBLIQUE IMAGE FROM THE SOUTH FACING DIRECTION.

YOU CAN SEE AS WE ZOOM IN, START TO SEE SOME REALLY FINE DETAILS HERE.

SEE WHERE WE CAN SEE THEY'RE DOING SOME CONSTRUCTION DOWN HERE NEAR THE MONUMENT.

ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT, GOT A FELLOW THERE DOING SOME WORK, CHECKING ON SOMETHING.

AND YOU CAN ALSO ZOOM OUT TOO.

AND I GUESS THIS LOOKS LIKE A FUN PLACE TO DO SOME DONUTS ON THE ROOF OF THIS PARKING GARAGE TOO FOR SOME EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITY MAYBE ON THE WEEKENDS.

SO THESE TOOLS, LIKE ON THE, ON THE LEFT HERE, YOU SEE THIS COMPASS.

THIS IS HOW YOU WOULD CHANGE THE DIRECTION OF THE IMAGERY ANGLE.

'CAUSE WE GET ALL FOUR CARDINAL DIRECTIONS AT AN OBLIQUE ANGLE, NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, AND WEST.

YOU CAN ALSO GET THE ORTHO IMAGE, WHICH IS THAT TOP DOWN IMAGE I WAS TELLING YOU ABOUT.

THIS IS ONE OF THE INDIVIDUAL IMAGE FRAMES.

YOU CAN SEE THE WHITE SPACE ON THE BORDER.

SO THIS ONE SHOT HERE IS AN ORTHO IMAGE, BUT WHAT WE, WHAT WE DO IS WE TAKE ALL THOSE INDIVIDUAL IMAGE FRAMES AND STITCH 'EM TOGETHER, TOGETHER IN WHAT SOME, WHAT WE CALL AN ORTHO MOSAIC.

SO YOU GET ONE COHESIVE REPRESENTATION FROM THE TOP DOWN VIEW OF THE COUNTY OR CITY.

I'M GO BACK TO THE SOUTH FACING, FOR EXAMPLE, I, OOPS, ON THE BOTTOM LEFT.

I'M JUST GONNA SELECT WHAT IMAGE LIBRARY I WANT TO USE HERE.

YOU CAN SEE, UH, CITY OF INDIANAPOLIS ITSELF HAS MANY YEARS OF IMAGERY HERE.

AND THEY HAVE ACCESS, YOU GET ACCESS TO ALL YOUR YEARS OF IMAGERY YOU'VE TAKEN.

SO YOU CAN CONSTANTLY GO BACK, REVIEW, REVIEW AND UM, SEE DIFFERENT, UH, YOU CAN DO A DUAL PANE AND SEE DIFFERENT EXAMPLES FROM DIFFERENT YEARS OF IMAGERY.

SO IF I'VE WANTED TO GO ALL THE WAY BACK, SEE THE 2022 MOSAIC, I CAN USE THIS DUAL PANE OPTION HERE AND BRING UP 2024 AND COMPARE IT TO WHAT WAS SEEN HERE IN 2022.

AND YOU CAN SEE THAT NOT A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION WAS HAPPENING HERE.

SO THEY WANNA DO SOME REPAIRS HERE IN RENOVATION.

THIS OPEN UP A LITTLE WORKSPACE FEATURE THAT BRINGS UP DIFFERENT AREAS.

IF YOU WANT TO MARK THEM, YOU CAN ADD 'EM TO A WORKSPACE, UM, AND GO TO SPECIFIC AREAS OF THE IMAGERY YOU'D LIKE TO SEE.

SO I'M GONNA GO TO THIS HISTORICAL SOCIETY MUSEUM, ALSO IN THE CITY OF INDIANAPOLIS.

AND I'M GONNA GO BACK TO THE, UM, OBLIQUE VIEW.

SO WE ALSO HAVE DIFFERENT TOOLS YOU CAN USE WITHIN THIS IMAGERY SOFTWARE.

UM, SO FOR INSTANCE, THERE'S A HEIGHT TOOL.

IF I WANTED TO MEASURE HEIGHT, YOU JUST MEASURE THE VERY HEIGHT STRUCTURE UP HERE TO THIS EAVE, AND IT GIVES ME AN ACCURATE 52.9 FEET FROM THE GROUND UP TO THE EAVE THERE IN THE STRUCTURE.

DOES ANYBODY GOLF HERE? ARE YOU GOT, WE GOT SOME GOLFERS HERE.

I'M NOT MUCH OF A GOLFER.

I GOTTA BE HONEST, BUT I WAS HOPING YOU FOLKS WOULD BE.

SO I WANNA SHOW YOU THIS ONE INCH IMAGERY HERE.

SOME GOLFERS DOWN HERE, JUST TO SHOW YOU THE ACCURACY.

WE'RE PLANES.

SO IMAGINE THEM FLYING OVER 6,000, 7,000 FEET IN THE AIR AND WE'RE CAPTURING ONE INCH RESOLUTION IMAGERY.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN TELL, BUT YOU SEE THESE LITTLE WHITE DOTS.

UH, THAT'S A GOLF BALL.

OR ACTUALLY THAT MIGHT BE THE HOLE.

AND THEN THIS MIGHT BE THE GOLF BALL HERE.

AND THIS GUY'S WEARING A FUNNY SOMBRERO HERE ON THE LEFT.

NO, IT'S ACTUALLY JUST THE, IT'S THE FLAG.

HE'S HOLDING IT AN AWKWARD ANGLE.

SO KIND OF LOOKS LIKE A FUNNY SOMBRERO.

IS A TITLEIST.

WHAT'S THAT? IS IT A TITLEIST OR A TAILORED? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

I THINK WE GOTTA GO A LITTLE BIT CLOSER THAN ONE AND JIMMY TO FIGURE THAT ONE OUT.

SO IF, IF IT WAS ME, I WOULDN'T BE ON THE GREEN YET.

SO I, YOU WOULDN'T BE OUT THERE YET.

I'D BE WAY,

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WAY.

SO THIS DEFINITELY ISN'T YOU ALL RIGHT? BUT NEXT TIME YOU ARE ON THE GREEN AND YOU LOOK UP, MAYBE IT'LL BE ONE OF OUR PLANES FLYING OVER.

YOU NEVER KNOW.

SO BE SURE TO WAVE, SHOW YOU TO A NEIGHBORHOOD HERE AS WELL.

SO IF YOU'RE REALLY STARTING TO LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, YOU'RE ONE OF THE ASSESSORS REVIEWING AN IMAGERY, IMAGERY IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, AND YOU'RE TRYING TO GET A BETTER IDEA OF SOMETHING YOU SEE ON THE GROUND, I MEAN, WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA THAT THIS MIGHT BE A FIRE HYDRANT.

UM, BUT JUST TO BE SURE, WE ALSO HAVE A PLUGIN YOU CAN DO TO GET STREET LEVEL IMAGERY VIA THIS LINK PORTAL TOOL.

ALL IS A SIMPLE URL YOU PUT IN HERE.

I CAN PROVIDE THAT TO YOU FOLKS IF YOU WANTED TO SEE IT.

AND WHAT YOU DO IS YOU JUST CLICK WHERE YOU WANT TO SEE AND IT BRINGS UP GOOGLE STREET LEVEL IMAGERY, AND WE CAN CONFIRM THAT THAT IS INDEED A FIRE HYDRANT THERE ON THE GROUND WHERE THAT POINT IS.

SO NOW DO YOU HAVE SOME TYPE OF A, UH, OF A LICENSE WITH GOOGLE THAT YOU, YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, INTERFACE OR WHAT? UM, THIS ISN'T A LICENSE WITH THEM DIRECTLY.

THIS IS JUST, UH, SOMETHING THAT THEY PROVIDE THAT, UM, YOU CAN INCORPORATE.

UM, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, I, I IMAGINE PEOPLE WITH WEBSITES THIS, THEY COULD USE THAT URL TO INTRODUCE THIS LINK AS WELL.

IT'S JUST FREE TO THE PUBLIC.

BUT WE DO OFFER MINI INTEGRATIONS 200 PLUS WITH, UH, CAM A, UH, VENDORS, CAD VENDORS AND VARIOUS GIS FOLKS AS WELL, INCLUDING ESRI.

SO OPEN UP THIS WORKSPACE AGAIN.

I'M GONNA TAKE YOU TO A DAM.

SO ALSO WITH THE IMAGE WHERE YOU GET ELEVATION TOO.

SO IF YOU WANT TO GET A DISTANCE, UM, AS THE CROW FLIES, RIGHT, YOU CAN MEASURE FROM HERE TO HERE.

THAT'LL GIVE YOU DISTANCE 644 FEET.

IF YOU WANNA MEASURE GROUND DISTANCE THOUGH, YOU CAN ALSO DO THAT HERE.

AND THIS WILL INCORPORATE THE ELEVATION SO YOU GET A MORE ACCURATE REPRESENTATION OF DISTANCE FROM THE GROUND.

UH, POTENTIALLY IF YOU'RE TRYING TO RUN WIRE, MAYBE FIRE HOSE FROM A CERTAIN AREA, YOU CAN DO THAT TOO.

I AM GONNA BRING YOU TO A HIGH SCHOOL HERE IN NEAR INDIANAPOLIS REAL QUICK.

SO THIS IS AN ORTHO IMAGE TOP DOWN IMAGE.

AGAIN, THIS IS KIND OF A INTERESTING SPOT.

UM, YOU KNOW, YOU GET THIS SHADOW HERE, IT'S HARD TO TELL EXACTLY WHAT IT IS FROM THIS ANGLE, BUT I MEAN, IF YOU ZOOM IN, YOU CAN KIND OF TELL THAT'S PROBABLY A, I MEAN, IT'S A CELL PHONE TOWER, RIGHT? BUT TO BE CERTAIN YOU CAN, YOU CAN VIEW IT FROM THE, UH, YOU CAN VIEW IT FROM THE OBLIQUE ANGLE.

SO YOU CAN ZOOM IN THERE.

UM, LET'S SEE IT FROM THE SOUTH, AND NOW YOU CAN TELL FOR SURE THAT THAT IS A CELL PHONE TOWER.

THIS IS A GARAGE AND YOU GOT VARIOUS, UH, LOOKS LIKE A, MAYBE A UTILITY GARAGE.

OH, WE GOT SOME FOLKS HERE.

LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE GETTING READY FOR A TRACK MEET, LINED UP, UP, READY TO GO.

YOU KNOW, PEOPLE TALK ABOUT PRIVACY, RIGHT? THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALWAYS A CONCERN.

YOU CAN TELL THAT THERE'S PEOPLE HERE.

YOU CAN'T IDENTIFY THESE PEOPLE.

YOU DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE.

YOU JUST KNOW THERE'S HUMAN BEINGS THERE ON THE GROUND.

SO IT'S NOT TOO, TOO MUCH OF A CONCERN THERE WHEN IT COMES TO PRIVACY OF INDIVIDUALS.

UM, WHAT I DO WANT TO MENTION LASTLY IS I WANT TO BRING UP A SCENARIO HERE.

SO I'M NOT FROM WARREN COUNTY, BUT IMAGINE I'M RIGHT HERE AT THIS GARAGE AND I HAVE A MEDICAL EMERGENCY.

I'M HAVING A HEART ATTACK, SO I CALL 9 1 1.

WHAT DO I WANT TO HEAR? YOU KNOW, I'M NOT HAVING A GOOD DAY.

I WANT, I WANT SOMEONE TO HELP ME.

SO IF I MAKE THAT CALL AND OUR IMAGERY'S INTEGRATED INTO THE CAD SYSTEM, OUR OBLIQUE IMAGERY WILL APPEAR AND THAT IT'LL START TO HELP PINPOINT WHERE MY LOCATION IS.

SO WHEN I DO MAKE THAT CALL, THEY CAN TELL ME, NO WORRIES.

HELP IS ON THE WAY.

WE'LL BE THERE TO HELP YOU SOON.

WE ALSO IN THIS SOFTWARE CONNECT EXPLORER ALSO HAS A MOBILE APPLICATION.

AND I KNOW FIREFIGHTERS AND POLICE OFFICERS ALSO USE THIS IN OTHER COUNTIES WHERE THEY ACTUALLY, WE, THEY USE OUR MOBILE APPLICATION WHEN THEY'RE IN THE FIELD.

ALL YOU NEED IS A CELL CELL PHONE RECEPTION, UM, TO USE IT.

CAN I ASK A QUESTION NOW? YEAH, I WAS GONNA, I WAS GONNA OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS HERE.

YOU, YOU'RE TALKING, WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS AS DR.

DALEY SAID ASSESSMENT.

IT'S MOTOROLA OR VISION, THEY MAY, UM, CHARGE YOU TO INTEGRATE OUR IMAGERY INTO THEIR SYSTEM.

IS THIS ALL INCLUSIVE OF THIS CAT OR IS THAT AN EXTRA COST, UH, AVAILABILITY? GREAT QUESTION.

ALL OF OUR INTEGRATIONS ARE COMPLETELY FREE ON OUR SIDE AS PART OF THE CONTRACT.

WHAT I WILL SAY THOUGH IS SOMETIMES THOSE VENDORS, WHETHER

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BUT FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, WE DON'T CHARGE YOU TO DO AN INTEGRATION.

SO COULD YOU WALK US THROUGH A SCENARIO THAT AN ASSESSOR WOULD USE HOW AN ASSESSOR WOULD USE YOUR, YOUR PRODUCT? YEAH, I'LL BRING UP THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AGAIN.

SO I HAVEN'T SPENT MUCH TIME IN ASSESSMENT IN THE ASSESSMENT WORLD.

I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WITH IT, BUT I DO KNOW, UH, SOMETIMES THEY GET ASSIGNED THINGS GO OUT IN THE FIELD TO GO REVIEW A HOME.

WHAT THEY CAN DO IS THEY CAN REVIEW THE IMAGERY BEFORE THEY GO OUT INTO THE FIELD AND MAKE DETERMINATIONS ABOUT THIS HOUSE.

SO IF THEY WANTED TO SEE IF THIS HOUSE HAD A SHED OR SOMETHING CHANGED IN THE BACKYARD, THEY CAN REVIEW THE IMAGERY PRIOR, LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT OBLIQUE ANGLES OF THIS HOME AND DETERMINE WHAT IS LOCATED THERE.

UM, AND THEY CAN DO MEASUREMENTS AS WELL ON THE PROPERTY TO DETERMINE, UH, THE ACCURATE, UH, SIZE OF THOSE DIFFERENT STRUCTURES THAT MAY BE ON THE PROPERTY, UM, BEFORE ACTUALLY GOING OUT IN THE FIELD AND LOOKING AT IT THEMSELVES.

UM, WE ARE ALSO CERTIFIED BY THE IAAO TO DO DESKTOP ASSESSMENT.

SO DEPENDING ON THE LAWS HERE IN THE COUNTY OR THE STATE, UM, YOU CAN DO ASSESSMENT FROM THE COMPUTER ITSELF WITHOUT HAVING TO GO IN THE FIELD.

UM, I KNOW I'VE, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF STORIES ABOUT, UM, I'VE HEARD MANY STORIES FROM, UH, PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN DOING THIS MUCH LONGER THAN I HAVE, WHERE THEY, UH, ASSESSOR WILL CALL AND SAY THAT THEY'VE HAD A TERRIBLE EXPERIENCE TRYING TO GO TO SOMEONE'S HOME, UM, AND THEY THREATEN THEM.

SO THIS IS, SAFETY IS A MAJOR CONCERN FOR US TOO.

AND USING OUR IMAGERY AS PART OF THE ASSESSMENT WORKFLOW CAN HELP MITIGATE THOSE SCENARIOS WHERE AN ASSESSOR GOES ONTO A PROPERTY WHERE THEY'RE NOT WELCOMED, UM, AS WELL.

SO I IS THE REASON THAT YOU'RE USING A, A LIGHT AIRCRAFT, UH, INSTEAD OF, UH, A UAV, IS, IS THAT FOR WHAT, UH, UM, HOW YOU SAY, UM, UH, NOT SAFETY, BUT, UH, PRIVACY PURPOSES OR WHAT? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

UM, I'D SAY PRIMARILY IT'S FOR EFFICIENCY PURPOSES, BECAUSE ONCE WHEN YOU'RE IN A FIXED WING AIRCRAFT, YOU CAN GET MUCH HIGHER IN THE AIR.

I MEAN, DRONE TECHNOLOGY IS EVOLVING RAPIDLY, AND I'M SURE THERE WHAT YOU JUST SAID, IT MIGHT BE A SCENARIO IN THE FUTURE, BUT YOU CAN, UM, FLY OVER AN ENTIRE COUNTY RELATIVELY QUICKLY WITH A FIXED WINNING AIRCRAFT 'CAUSE YOU'RE HIGHER UP IN THE AIR.

UM, AND YOU CAN TAKE MUCH MORE, UH, MANY MORE CAMERA SHOTS IN A COHESIVE PATTERN.

DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? I I WILL SAY THIS, UH, REAL QUICK TOO.

WE HAVE A COMMERCIAL SECTOR OF THE BUSINESS AND THEY DEAL WITH ROOFING.

THEY DO ROOF REPORTS FOR CONSTRUCTION AND THEY DO UTILIZE DRONES TO HELP DO MEASUREMENTS WITHIN ON ROOFS AND OTHER STRUCTURES.

UM, HOW OFTEN DO YOU REFRESH THE IMAGE? IS IT LIKE ANNUALLY OR MORE, MORE OFTEN? GOOD QUESTION.

UM, IT'S COMPLETELY UP TO THE COUNTY.

I KNOW A LOT OF FOLKS HERE IN VIRGINIA, THEY LIKE TO DO BI-ANNUALLY.

SO, UM, SOMETIMES WITH V RIGHT, THE, THE STATEWIDE CAPTURES TOO.

THEY LIKE TO, UH, THEY USE V AS A SUPPLEMENTAL IMAGERY AND THEN THEY'LL FLY THE GREAT, GET THE GREAT ORTHOS AND OBLIQUES WITH US NEXT YEAR.

UM, SOME PEOPLE LIKE TO DO ANNUAL CAPTURES TO GET NEW IMAGERY EVERY YEAR 'CAUSE IT'S BENEFICIAL TO THEM AND THEIR WORKFLOWS.

UM, WE OFFER A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS TO COUNTIES AND CITY GOVERNMENTS WHEN IT COMES TO HOW THEY WANT TO FLY AND WHEN THEY WANT TO FLY.

TYPICALLY IT HAPPENS WITHIN THE FALL TO THE EARLY SPRING.

'CAUSE WE WANT TO CAPTURE THE IMAGERY WITH LEAF OFF SO THAT YOU CAN GET IMAGERY, YOU CAN SEE THROUGH THE TREE CANOPY RIGHT.

WHEN THERE'S NO LEAVES ON THERE FOR, UH, MORE ACCURATE ASSESSMENTS OF PROPERTIES.

AND DID, DO YOUR, UH, TECHNOLOGIES HAVE ANY SORT OF AUTOMATION OR AI THAT COULD DETECT SOMETHING THAT CHANGED? LIKE THIS PERSON PUT IN A POOL OR THEY PAVED THEIR DRIVEWAY OR PUT A DECK ON OR WHATEVER? YEP.

SO, UM, WE OFFER ADDITIONAL PRODUCTS TOO TO THE IMAGERY, UH, CHANGE, UH, CHANGE FINDER WHERE, UM, IT, YOU TAKE TWO YEARS OF IMAGERY, SO YOU'D FLY, UH, JUST THEORETICALLY OR THIS NEXT YEAR WITH US, THEN WE CAN TAKE THAT IMAGERY, COMPARE IT TO, UH, ANOTHER IMAGERY CAPTURE, AND IT WILL BE ABLE TO FIND DETECTION OVER TIME BY USING THOSE TWO IMAGE LIBRARIES.

AND IT CAN DO POOLS.

IT CAN DO SH UH, PATIOS OR DECKS JUST RUN A REPORT.

LIKE THESE ADDRESSES SEEM TO HAVE ADDED SOMETHING MAJOR THAT WOULD CHANGE TO THE, THE ASSESSMENT? YES, IT WOULD, IT WOULD GENERATE THAT, YES.

THE RIGHT PARCELS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ASSESS.

UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE UTILIZE PARCEL DATA, RIGHT? TO, TO HELP MAKE SURE YOU'RE GETTING THE RIGHT, UM, CHANGE OVER TIME FOR

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UM, IF A HOMEOWNER KNOWS THAT WE'RE DOING AERIAL ASSESSMENTS AND THEY FOIA THE COUNTY AND SAY, I WANT, I WANT COPIES OF THE IMAGES YOU HAVE OF MY HOME, IS THAT A PROBLEM TO PROVIDE THAT OR, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE NOT RAN INTO THAT ISSUE EXPLICITLY.

I WILL SAY A LOT OF COUNTIES THAT DO USE OR DO PURCHASE IMAGERY FROM US END UP PUTTING THEM ON PUBLIC FACING WEBSITES.

SO THAT THE PUBLIC ACTUALLY DOES GET ACCESS TO ALL THAT IMAGERY.

SOME CHOOSE TO JUST DO THE ORTHO, WHICH IS THE TOP DOWN.

SOME CHOOSE TO DO, UM, JUST THE OBLIQUES OR DO BOTH.

IT'S COMPLETELY UP TO YOU.

OH, I DO HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION.

SURE.

SO YOU, YOUR, UH, YOU SAID YOUR RESOLUTION IS ONE INCH OR THREE INCH.

UM, HOW DOES THAT COMPARE TO JUST LIKE GOOGLE OR, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE FREE PUBLIC, UH, SATELLITE IMAGE? YEAH.

UM, TYPICALLY SATELLITE IMAGERY, THE RESOLUTION IS WELL ABOVE LIKE 12 INCHES.

UM, IT DOESN'T GET, I MEAN, TECHNOLOGY, UH, INCREASE, IT GETS BETTER OVER TIME.

AND YOU, YOU KNOW, I COULD SEE IT GETTING BETTER, BUT RIGHT NOW, UM, THERE'S NO ONE, NO OTHER AERIAL IMAGERY PROVIDER THAT CAN DO ONE INCH IMAGERY ON THE SCALE THAT WE CAN DO IT.

AND JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THREE INCH AND ONE INCH, WHAT THAT MEANS TOO.

SO ONE INCH IS, I MEAN, KIND OF WHAT YOU SAW WITH THE GOLF BALL.

YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT'S A GOLF BALL.

UM, IF I DROPPED MY PHONE ON THE GROUND AND THE PLANE WAS FLYING OVER, YOU'D BE ABLE TO SEE THAT IT'S MY PHONE.

BUT YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE, YOU COULD SEE IT'S A PHONE OR SOMETHING.

YOU'D SEE LIKE A BLACK BLOB, RIGHT? YEAH.

BUT LIKE WITH, UM, LIKE SIX INCH, YOU WOULDN'T REALLY BE ABLE TO TELL BECAUSE THE PIXELS ARE LARGER THAT MY PHONE WAS ON THE GROUND, BUT WITH ONE INCH YOU CAN.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'M, I'M OPEN TO QUESTIONS NOW.

SURE.

DOES THE COUNTY NEED TO BUY THE ENTIRE PACKAGE OR CAN THEY BUY JUST THE PACKAGE FOR THE COMMISSIONER? UM, I, UH, I GUESS I WOULD SAY THAT THIS IS, THIS IS THE PACKAGE.

UM, THERE ISN'T LIKE A, AN ADDITIONAL, LIKE THERE'S NO SEPARATE PACKAGE.

UH, THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL COST FOR THE TIRE RESCUE.

SO WE CAN, WE CAN CHARGE HALF OF THIS TO FIRE RESCUE INSTEAD OF THE COMMISSION.

WE HAVE TO PAY ENTIRE FIELD.

WELL, YEAH, WHEN WE, WHEN WE PRESENT TO COUNTIES, WE TYPICALLY LIKE TO CREATE, YOU KNOW, AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE COUNT, UH, DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS WITHIN THE COUNTY WANT TO WORK TOGETHER AND PROVIDE THE FUNDING.

SO WE WANT TO SHOW THE VALUE THAT IT CAN PROVIDE TO DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS WITHIN THE COUNTY TOO, TO, FOR COST SHARING PURPOSES.

BUT THAT'S COMPLETELY UP TO YOU FOLKS.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

ALRIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE? WHAT ON THE, THE ONE INCH VERSUS THE THREE INCH? YEAH.

WHAT IS THE SAME CAMERA TAKING THE, THE PICTURES WE HAVE ACTUALLY, WE HAVE A DIFFERENT CAMERA.

SO WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT CAMERA RIGS.

I WON'T TRY NOT TO GET TOO MUCH IN THE NITTY GRITTY HERE, BUT WE HAVE A CAMERA RIG, WE CALL IT PACIFIC.

AND BASICALLY IT HAS, UH, CAMERAS ON THIS LIKE, UH, POD THAT JUST SORT OF MOWS AS IT'S FLYING THROUGH.

AND IT CAN CREATE THAT, IT CAN, UH, TAKE THOSE ONE INCH ACCURATE, UM, IMAGING.

IT'S THE SAME FLIGHT CAPTURING THE THREE AND THE ONE.

SO YES, THERE ARE SCENARIOS WHERE YOU CAN DESSOLVE IMAGERY, UM, YOU CAN USE THE SAME PLATFORM TO CAPTURE A THREE INCH IMAGERY AS WELL.

I'M JUST TRYING TO ASCERTAIN WHAT, WHAT VALUE PROPOSITION IS FOR THE USE CASE.

SO FOR THE USE CASES ASSESSMENTS THEN IS WHAT'S THE VALUE PROPOSITION OF ONE INCH VERSUS THREE INCH? AND, AND DOES, DO THEY HAVE THE, I ASSUME YOU HAVE THE, THE PRICE DIFFERENTIAL IS THEIR PRICE DIFFERENTIAL, I GUESS, RIGHT? YEP.

SO ONE, YEP.

SO WHATEVER THE USE CASE IS, UM, THAT'S HOW YOU COULD CHOOSE YOUR, YOUR RESOLUTION, I GUESS.

WHAT, UH, YEAH, I MEAN, UM, EVERYTHING YOU MENTIONED THERE, LIKE BE ABLE TO FIND, UH, DISTANCES EVEN ON HILLS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, IT'S STILL ALL THE SAME PICK FUNCTIONALITY, BUT IT'S THREE INCH VERSUS ONE INCH.

YOU GET ALL THOSE SAME TOOLS AND FUNCTIONALITY REGARDLESS OF RESOLUTION THREE INCH OR ONE INCH.

THE CHOICE OF UPDATING IT, IS THAT, UH, THAT'S A FEE PER, PER UPDATE THAT'S KNOWN IN ADVANCE? OR IS IT, IS IT SOMETHING THAT VARIES PER A YEAR OR BASED ON FUEL COSTS OF SMALL AIRPLANES OR, AND HOW, HOW DOES THAT GO? YEAH, SO, UM, TO TERMS OF THE CONTRACT IS SOMETHING WE NEGOTIATE.

UM, A LOT OF FOLKS, FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN IN MY TIME HERE, IT'S BEEN, UM, SIX YEAR CONTRACTS WITH THREE FLIGHTS BI-ANNUALLY.

THAT SEEMS TO TO BE A KIND OF STANDARD.

IT'S, IT, I MEAN, YOU CAN DO REALLY WHATEVER YOU WANT.

IT'S, IT'S JUST SOMETHING TYPICALLY I'VE SEEN.

AND USUALLY WHAT WE DO IS WE BREAK UP THE TOTAL COST OF THAT SIX YEAR CONTRACT WITH THOSE, UH, THREE FLIGHTS INTO EQUAL ANNUAL PAYMENTS.

SO THE FEE'S A LITTLE BIT LESS PER YEAR, UM, THAN JUST PAYING EVERYTHING UP FRONT FOR EACH FLIGHT.

HOW, HOW DO YOU PRICE ONE COUNTY VERSUS ANOTHER? IS IT LIKE BASED ON ACREAGE OR NUMBER OF STRUCTURES OR SOME OTHER METHOD? YEAH, GOOD QUESTION.

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SO, UM, PRICING IS DEPENDENT ON SQUARE MILEAGE.

SO, UM, I'M JUST, I MEAN, WE CAN LOOK AT THE, THE QUOTES, BUT, UH, I'LL HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK.

BUT, UH, ONE INCH, UH, LET'S SAY IT'S $400 PER SQUARE MILE, THE COUNTY'S, UH, 300, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

DO YOU HAVE A LIMIT ON USERS? IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

SO WITH THE CONTRACT THAT, UH, THE COUNTY WOULD POTENTIALLY BE SIGNING, IT'S AN EV CLOUD CONTRACT, WHICH IS OUR NEW SUBSCRIPTION MODEL MM-HMM .

AND WHEN IT COMES TO USERS, IT WOULD BE UNLIMITED USERS.

IT DIDN'T ALWAYS USED TO BE THAT WAY, SO THIS IS A NEW THING WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

NO.

IS THAT ALL? THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

IS THE VOLUNTEER FIRE AND RESCUE FISCAL POLICY, MS. COOK.

SO NEXT WE HAVE, UM, THE, UH, CONTRACT RENEWAL AGREEMENT FOR REASSESSMENT SERVICES AND, UH, IS MS. SAUERS WAS NOT ABLE TO BE HERE THIS EVENING, SO WE'LL BRING THAT BACK NEXT WEEK.

SO, OKAY.

UH, THE NEXT ONE

[C. Discussion: Volunteer F&R Fiscal Policy - Vicky Cook - ]

WELL, WE BROUGHT THE, THE FINAL POLICY TO THE BOARD WHEN I THINK A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, UM, AS A WORKING SESSION.

AND THEN WE REMOVED IT FROM OUR CONSENT AGENDA BECAUSE, UM, AFTER THE WORKING SESSION, OUR ASSISTANT CHIEF KIND OF LOOKED AT IT AND REALIZED THERE WAS SOME LANGUAGE THAT HAD CHANGED FROM WHEN IT LEFT THE, UM, THERE WAS A CHANGE FROM WHEN IT LEFT THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT TO THE LEGAL.

AND, UM, WHEN THE, WHEN THE CHIEF LOOKED AT IT, REALIZED THAT THE LANGUAGE WAS NOT REALLY WHAT WE AGREED TO WITH ALL THE OTHER VOLUNTEER FIRE STATIONS.

SO WE MET WITH, UM, WITH LEGAL, EXPRESSED OUR CONCERNS, THEY TWEAKED THE LANGUAGE, AND SO IT'S IN LINE WITH OUR, OUR COMMITMENT TO THE, UM, VOL VOLUNTEER STATIONS.

SO IN OUR PACKET, YOU'LL SEE THE, THE REVISIONS.

IT WAS, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, MINOR STUFF.

UM, UH, THE ASSISTANT CHIEF HAS TOLD US THAT THEY, HE HAS SOCIALIZED IT WITH THE REST OF THE, UM, FIRE STATIONS AND THEY'RE, THEY HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE LANGUAGE.

SO THIS, UH, POLICY WILL BE COMING BACK TO THE BOARD FOR APPROVAL.

ANY, ANY DISCUSSION? NOPE.

NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS, UM, GESTURE GAP, VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT AGREEMENT WITH CHIEF.

THERE'S NO, IF THERE'S NO DISCUSSION, THEN WE WILL GO TO THE

[D. Discussion - Chester Gap Volunteer Fire Department Agreement - Gerry Maiatico ]

MY, MY ETIQUETTE.

THANKS, JERRY.

INTERNAL COMPANY, UM, IN WARRING COUNTY.

GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR.

MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

UM, SO WE WERE ASKED TO COME AND TALK ABOUT THE CHESTER GAP STAFFING AGREEMENT IN THE ANNUAL FUNDING.

I'M GONNA PROVIDE YOU JUST A, A 30,000 FOOT OVERVIEW OF THAT STAFFING PROGRAM.

UM, AND CHIEF WILL KIND OF TALK TO YOU ABOUT WHAT THE ADVOCATION IS MOVING FORWARD.

UM, THE CHESTER GAP VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT, UH, CURRENTLY PROVIDES A LEVEL OF SERVICE TO WARRING COUNTY, UH, THROUGH A AUTOMATIC AID AGREEMENT.

UH, SO WE FUND THE CHESTER GAP VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT, UM, AN ANNUAL LEVEL OF FUNDING TO PROVIDE SERVICES TO A FIRST DUE RESPONSE AREA.

UM, THAT FIRST DUE RESPONSE AREA IS ROUGHLY 16 POINT 10 SQUARE MILES.

IT SERVES ALMOST 800 ADDRESSES.

UM, AN ESTIMATED 2100 PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY AS PART OF OUR POPULACE.

UM, THEY ARE FUNDED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE 2016, UH, FINANCIAL AND AUTOMATIC AID AGREEMENT.

SO ULTIMATELY, UM, WE, WHAT THAT AGREEMENT DOES IS IT TAKES THE ANNUAL CONTRIBUTION OF WHAT WE GIVE A NORMAL

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UH, WE DETERMINE WHAT THE PERCENTAGE OF CALLS CHESTER GAP RUNS IN WARRING COUNTY OUT OF THEIR TOTAL NUMBER OF CALLS FOR SERVICE.

UM, AND IT BREAKS THAT DOWN INTO A FUNDING FORMULA NOT TO GO BELOW $39,500.

UM, SO THIS YEAR WE HAVE, UH, FUNDED FOR THEM $44,000.

UM, AND YOUR, THAT'S INCLUDING THE STAFF? NO, I'LL GET TO THAT IN A MINUTE.

THAT'S JUST THE ANNUAL CONTRIBUTION FOR SERVICE.

AND THAT SERVICE IS FOR, TO, GOES DIRECTLY TO CHESTER, CHESTER, GOUT AND HANOCK.

AND WHAT DOES THOSE SERVICES PROVIDE? THOSE SERVICES PROVIDE FIRE AND EMS RESPONSE TO WARREN COUNTY CITIZENS.

WELL, WHAT DO THEY USE THE MONEY FOR, I GUESS IS MY QUESTION? THEY USE THOSE, THAT MONEY FOR OPERATIONAL CAPITAL OR, UM, EXPENDITURES THAT FOR THEIR STATION.

YOU SEE A MAP, UH, THAT JUST KIND OF SHOWS WHAT OUR RESPONSE SYSTEM IS AND KIND OF GIVES YOU A GEOGRAPHICAL MAKEUP OF STATION NINE.

UH, YOUR PACKET SHOWS A TEMPORARY STAFFING ARRANGEMENT.

UH, THIS STAFFING ARRANGEMENT BEGAN IN 2020, UM, IN COORDINATION WITH WARREN COUNTY, RAPID, HANOCK COUNTY AND CHESTER GAP DUE TO THE COVID PANDEMIC.

UM, THIS WAS, UH, IN ESSENCE DUE TO A LOSS OF EMS RESPONDERS, UH, LEAVING THE SYSTEM OR, OR STATION OR UNWILLING TO RESPOND TO EMS CALLS BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC.

UM, IT INITIALLY UTILIZED CARES ACT FUNDS TO SUPPORT THE INITIATIVE, UH, TODAY THAT IS SUPPORTED THROUGH YOUR NORMAL, UH, BUDGETARY PROCESS.

WAS IT LAST YEAR OR TWO YEARS AGO THAT IT BECAME PART OF THE, UM, THE GENERAL FUND BEYOND THAT, UH, WAS IT IN ESSENCE 2 20 21? 2022? RIGHT.

UH, IS WHEN IT BECAME PART OF YOUR NORMAL BUDGETARY PROCESS IN THE GENERAL FUND ALLOCATION? CORRECT.

AND THAT'S BECAUSE THE COVID MONEY, UH, THE GRANT WAS CORRECT.

USED UP, IF YOU WILL.

UH, IT ORIGINALLY STARTED AT A 50 50 SPLIT, SO A 50 50 SPLIT BETWEEN RAPPAHANNOCK AND WARREN COUNTY PROVIDED THE FUNDING, UH, THAT HAS SINCE MOVED TO A 60 40 SPLIT BASED OFF OF THE CALL DISBURSEMENTS OF CHESTER GAP FIRE DEPARTMENT.

WHO'S THE 60 AND WHO'S THE 40? WE ARE THE 60, SIR.

IMPACTS WOULD BE TO, UM, THE CURRENT BUDGETARY PROCESS.

IN YOUR PACKET, YOU'LL ALSO SEE THE 2024, UH, CALLS FOR SERVICE DISTRIBUTION FOR THE CHESTER GAP FIRE DEPARTMENT.

IT SHOWS, UH, THEIR MAKEUP OF HOW MANY CALLS ARE IN WARREN COUNTY, HOW MANY CALLS ARE IN RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY, UH, AND A FEW CALLS IN FA KE COUNTY.

UM, AND THAT'LL JUST SHOW THAT THE AVERAGE IS ABOUT A 60% RESPONSE IN WARREN COUNTY.

NEXT PAGE OF YOUR PACKET WILL SHOW WHAT THE FUNDING LEVELS FOR CHESTER GAP IS.

UH, SO CURRENTLY THE ANNUAL CONTRIBUTION IS $44,698.

THE STAFFING PROGRAM IS $170,215.

WE ALSO, PART OF THE STAFFING AGREEMENT, WE REIMBURSE, UH, HANOCK COUNTY 60% OF THE WORKERS' COMPENSATION INSURANCE.

UH, SO LAST YEAR THAT WAS $7,989 FOR A TOTAL OF $222,902.

YOUR NEXT SLIDE SHOWS A WARREN COUNTY PAY RATE.

UM, I JUST WANT TO TOUCH THAT WE CURRENTLY, UM, TODAY ARE STARTING SALARIES FOR A FIREFIGHTER IS 1830 AND HOUR.

UM, OUR PART-TIME RATE AND OUR FULL-TIME RATE ARE THE SAME.

UH, SO THEN WE ALSO PROVIDE A CERTIFICATION PAY.

UH, THAT SLIDE WILL SHOW YOU WHAT THOSE CERTIFICATION PAYS, BREAK BREAKS OUT TODAY.

CHESTER GAP FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS WORKED WITH RAPID HE COUNTY TO INCREASE THAT SALARY CONTRIBUTION FOR THEIR CONTRACTORS TO A BLS PAY RATE OF $18 AN HOUR AND A A LS PAY RATE OF $30 AN HOUR.

THERE'S BEEN AN ADVOCATION FROM CHESTER GAP IN RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY, UH, THAT WARREN COUNTY FOLLOWS SUIT WITH INCREASE IN THE FUNDING, UM, FOR THIS STAFFING PROGRAM TO FALL IN LINE WITH, UM, HANOCK COUNTY.

UH, SO ULTIMATELY WE'VE BEEN HESITANT IN THAT BECAUSE, UH, WE WOULD BE REMISS TO SAY THAT IT WOULD NOT GO OVER WELL WITH OUR OWN INTERNAL STAFF TO PROVIDE, UM, A CONTRACTOR REALLY A, A HIGHER HOURLY RATE THAN WHAT WE'RE PROVIDING OUR OWN PEOPLE.

YOUR NEXT SLIDE JUST SHOWS YOU WHAT THE

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IF WE WERE TO INCREASE, UM, THOSE SALARY RATES.

I'VE GIVEN YOU TWO EXAMPLES.

UH, ONE WOULD BE TO INCREASE TO CURRENT WARREN COUNTY BASE SALARY RATES.

UM, THAT WOULD ULTIMATELY DRIVE A $37,178 INCREASE TO, UH, THE, THE STAFFING PROGRAM WITH WORKERS' COMPENSATION REIMBURSEMENT BEING ESTIMATED IN THAT NUMBER.

IF WE WERE TO INCREASE IT TO WHAT HANOCK COUNTY HAS CURRENTLY, UH, ADOPTED, AND THAT IS $18 AN HOUR FOR BLS PROVIDER, $30 AN HOUR FOR AN A LS PROVIDER, UH, THAT WOULD BE A BUDGETARY INCREASE OF $85,013.

WHAT CAN YOU SAY WHAT BLS AND A LS IS? BLS IS A, UM, BASIC LIFE SUPPORT EMS PROVIDER.

RIGHT, OKAY.

UM, THAT IS YOUR EMT AN A LS PROVIDER IS AT THE ADVANCE INTERMEDIATE OR PARAMEDIC LEVEL.

UM, AND THOSE ARE YOUR, THAT CAN DO, UM, ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT INTERVENTIONS, ET CETERA.

WHY IS THERE, WHY IS THERE SUCH A DISPARITY WHERE, UH, YOU'VE GOT, UH, A LS FOR WARREN COUNTY AS 2093 AND, UH, THE, UH, A LS FOR RAPPAHANNOCK IS 30 BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY HAS, UH, ELECTED TO PAY THEIR PARAMEDIC PROVIDERS IN THEIR RESPONSE SYSTEM.

SO RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY STAFFS A A LS CHASE CAR MODEL IN THEIR LOCALITY.

THEY HAVE, UH, PAID, UM, PARAMEDICS THAT PAID PARAMEDIC MAKES $30 AN HOUR.

OUR PAID PARAMEDIC FIREFIGHTER COMBINED MAKES 2093 AT THE SERGEANT SALARY.

THEIRS ISN'T COMBINED.

THEY DON'T, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT.

I, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY DO THEY HAVE.

I I AM CONFIDENT THAT A MAJORITY OF THEIRS ARE, THEY MAY HAVE SOME THAT ARE ONLY PARAMEDICS, UM, IN THEIR RESPONSE SYSTEM.

AND THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE TO, HOW MANY DO THEY HAVE OF THE ALS RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY? RIGHT.

I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT.

OH, OKAY.

WHEN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT RAPPAHANNOCK AND US AND THE OTHER ADJACENT COUNTIES TO WARREN, ARE, IS RAPPAHANNOCK AN ANOMALY THAT THEY PAY THAT MUCH? OR ARE WE THE ANOMALY THAT WE'RE PAYING SO LITTLE COMPARED TO EVERYBODY ELSE? UM, HANOCK COUNTY PAYS A LITTLE MORE.

SO ALL OF THEIR PARAMEDIC LEVEL PROVIDERS ARE PART-TIME EMPLOYEES.

THOSE PART-TIME EMPLOYEES ARE COMPENSATED AT A HIGHER HOURLY RATE BECAUSE HANOCK COUNTY, WHEN THEY STARTED THEIR, UM, A LS CHASE VEHICLE PROGRAM, THEY MADE THE COMMITMENT THAT THEY WERE GONNA HIRE, UH, PARAMEDICS WITH TENURE MM-HMM .

UM, THAT TENURE DRIVES SEASONALITY, ET CETERA.

SO THEY MAY BE GETTING A MORE EXPERIENCED LEVEL PROVIDER AT THAT PAY RATE.

I'LL BE REMISS TO SAY THAT WE HAVE PART-TIME PARAMEDICS THAT ARE SEASONED, BUT WE OBVIOUSLY CAN'T BRING THEM IN AT, AT SUCH A HIGHER HOURLY RATE THAN WE'RE PAYING THAT FULL-TIME PARAMEDIC.

SO WE COMPENSATE THAT PART-TIME PARAMEDIC EQUIVALENT TO WHAT WE START A, UM, FULL-TIME PARAMEDIC AT.

SO, UM, WITHIN THE REGIONAL SALARY COMPARISON, THE PART-TIME HOURLY RATES RANGE ANYWHERE FROM 20 TO $30 AN HOUR WITHIN THAT HOURLY RANGE.

UH, THEY WORK, THEY SUBMIT HOURS, THEY GET PAID ACCORDINGLY.

CAN YOU SPEAK TO BENEFITS FOR A SECOND, SIR? PART-TIME PERSON BENEFIT COST COMPARED TO A FULL-TIME? YES.

SO ONE OF THE REASONS WE HAVE A PART-TIME PROGRAM WITHIN WARREN COUNTY, UM, IS IT IS A WAY FOR US TO UTILIZE STAFF LEVEL POSITIONS TO BACKFILL VACANCIES, UH, WITHOUT DRIVING A BENEFIT COST, HEALTH INSURANCE, UH, THOSE TYPES OF COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT LEVEL POSITION.

UH, WE DO CARRY SOME BENEFITS ON THAT LINE OF DUTY, DEATH ACT BENEFITS, UH, WORKERS' COMPENSATION BENEFITS, ET CETERA.

UH, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FULL BENEFITS PACKAGE FOR THAT, UH, PROVIDER, WE ARE, WE ARE COVERING THEM, UM, VERY MINIMUM COMPARED TO THE FTE LEVEL POSITION.

THIS MODEL IN CHESTER GAP, UM, AND I CAN'T SPEAK TO RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY'S FULL SYSTEM, THESE EMPLOYEES, OR I'M SORRY, THESE STAFF MEMBERS AT CHESTER GAP ARE TREATED AS SUBCONTRACTORS.

UH, SO THEY ARE 10 99 LEVEL EMPLOYEES FROM, UM, THE CHESTER GAP FIRE DEPARTMENT.

SO THEY ARE SCHEDULED BY CHESTER GAP.

THEY'RE NOT PUT ON A SCHEDULE BY RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY, BY WARREN COUNTY.

THEY'RE COMPLETELY SCHEDULED THROUGH THE CHESTER GAP VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT.

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UH, THEN THEY ARE 10 99 AT THE END OF THE YEAR.

SO THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 10 TO 12% FOR VIRGINIA RETIREMENT AND APPROXIMATELY A THOUSAND DOLLARS A MONTH FOR HEALTH INSURANCE THAT'S ADDED TO THE FULL-TIME PEOPLE THAT IF YOU'RE PAYING ON HOURLY PART-TIME, YOU DON'T HAVE.

AND THAT'S BIG PART OF THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE 20 AND THE 30.

AND, AND I WILL SAY THAT THE 60% WE ONLY, THAT IS OUR COST.

IT WOULD BE LIKE CALLING A CAB AND PAYING A CAB TO BRING THEM INTO WARREN COUNTY.

WE'RE NOT GIVING, UM, WRAP HANOCK MONEY.

WE'RE PAYING CHESTER GAP FOR THE CALL THAT THEY CAME INTO WARREN COUNTY AND DID, AND I DID TALK TO, UM, CHIEF BROWN THIS MORNING, AND HE WAS NOT REQUESTING WARREN COUNTY TO MATCH WHAT RAPPAHANNOCK HE, HE UNDERSTOOD THAT THAT WAS DONE, UM, WITHOUT BRINGING US INTO THAT CONVERSATION.

AND HIS PERCEPTION WAS THAT, UM, HE NEVER PLANNED TO ASK US TO MATCH WHAT RAPPAHANNOCK WAS DOING.

HE DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS A FAIR, UH, THING SINCE WE WERE NEVER BROUGHT INTO THAT CONVERSATION.

I CAN ONLY SPEAK TO THE EMAIL, WHICH WE RECEIVED FROM.

THE COST RECOVERY BUDGET THAT, THAT I'M FAMILIAR WITH, RIGHT? WOULD WE, WOULD THAT INCREASE OUR, OUR BUDGET? IT WOULD IN THE SENSE THAT OUR REVENUE STREAM, OUR COLLECTIONS RIGHT NOW, WE CURRENTLY DO NOT RECEIVE ANY MONEY WHATSOEVER FROM ANY OF THE TRANSPORT COSTS OR ANY OF THE SERVICES RENDERED.

WE HAD A DISCUSSION WITH ABOUT THAT EMAIL.

SO , HE WASN'T ANY HAPPIER ABOUT IT THAN I WAS.

UH, SO OBVIOUSLY WITH ANY INCREASE TO THIS STAFFING PROGRAM, UM, WOULD BE A IMPACT TO OUR FISCAL REQUEST AND ALLOCATION.

UH, YOU SEE THE TWO GRAPHS ON THAT PAGE THAT SHOWS A 37,000, UH, DOLLARS INCREASE OR AN $85,000 INCREASE.

UM, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS AS IT RELATES TO THE HISTORY, BOTH, UM, UH, CHERYL, MYSELF, DR.

DALEY, WERE ALL HERE TOWARDS THE, THE BEGINNING OF THIS PROCESS BACK IN 2020 2021 WHEN WE MADE THAT CHANGE.

UM, BUT I'LL TURN IT OVER TO CHIEF AND HE CAN KIND OF TALK ABOUT WHAT HIS ADVOCATION IS MOVING FORWARD.

SO I BROUGHT WATER AT THIS TIME SO YOU GUYS DON'T CALL 9 1 1 AS YOU DID LAST TIME.

SO GOOD EVENING AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

SO LET ME START BY, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, WHICH AREA'S PUT FORWARD SO FAR? I'M SURE THERE ARE, THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION THERE AND I'LL BE GLAD TO ENTERTAIN 'EM THE BEST I CAN BEFORE I MOVE FORWARD WITH, UM, MY ADVOCATION.

WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH, UH, MS. KOHLERS AS IT'S HER DISTRICT YESTERDAY.

AND SO EVERYTHING I'LL SPEAK TO TONIGHT, UM, IS KIND OF MOVING TO THE FUTURE.

I GOT BEFORE YOU WHEN I WAS STARTING MY WORDS LAST TIME WITH THE WATER, UM, AND ASK YOU FOR NINE POSITIONS.

UM, IT'S A LOT OF MONEY I CAN LOOK AT.

UM, I CAN LOOK AT THE, UH, LEDGER AND SEE THAT THIS IS NOT ONLY A VERY TOUGH BUDGET YEAR AS WE PUSH TO THE FUTURE, UM, LOOKING AT EXPENDITURES AND, UH, AND REVENUE.

AND I DON'T FORESEE THAT'S GONNA CHANGE.

SO, UM, WE'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO BE EFFICIENT HERE AND IT HAS BEEN A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH, UH, CHESTER GAP.

AND I'D BE REMISS NOT TO SAY THAT.

HOWEVER, I THINK THERE'S A BETTER WAY TO DO BUSINESS AND MY ADVOCATION AS WE MOVE FORWARD IS THAT THE THREE I'VE ASKED FOR NINE POSITION THREE OF THOSE POSITIONS WOULD PRETTY MUCH EQUATE TO WHAT WE'RE PAYING CHESTER GAP UP ON THE HILL.

MY ASK IS THAT WE TAKE THAT MONEY AND WE MOVE IT ACROSS THE STREET TO FIRE STATION ONE.

NOW I WOULD CHANGE THE STAFFING MODEL.

MY ADVOCATION WOULD BE, WE'D MOVE TO, AT THAT TIME, IF WE WERE TO GET IT, IF WE WERE TO RECEIVE IT, AND WE'D HAVE TWO A LS PROVIDERS A DAY THAT WOULD ALLOW US, UM, TO SPLIT THAT CREW AND IN A HYBRID MODEL, BE ABLE TO NOT ONLY SERVE THE CONSTITUENT BASE, BUT ALSO THE, THE UNDERSERVED AND, AND ALSO TO A HIGHER LEVEL IN ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT CAPACITY.

NOW, I'M SURE THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS WITH THAT.

IT'S IMPERFECT IN THE SENSE THAT THERE'S NO WAY I CAN CHANGE THE PROXIMITY OF CHESTER GAP TO POINT OF WOODS AND OR, UH, WHERE JERRY LIVES, UH, IN, UH, LAKEFRONT ROYAL.

HOWEVER, UM, WITH RESPONSE TIME AND ENSURING THAT WE HAVE A LS CAPABILITIES GOING OUT THAT DOOR, I THINK THERE'S AN ADDED BENEFIT THERE FOR SURE.

AND EXPONENTIALLY IS GOING TO SERVE THE CONSTITUENT BASE TO A BETTER DEGREE.

THAT SAID, I'LL OPEN IT TO QUESTIONS.

SO DOES THIS AFFECT OUR COST RECOVERY? I'M SORRY, WOULD THIS FOR MOVING THE FUNDING BACK TO WARREN COUNTY AND WE HIRE THREE FTE STAFF PEOPLE,

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UM, CHESTER CAP IN ITS ENTIRETY RECEIVES THAT VEHICLE RAISE EVERYTHING IN HAN COUNTY OR WARREN COUNTY.

SO TO THAT END, YES MA'AM, WE WOULD, IT WOULD INCREASE.

IT WOULD INCREASE IT.

I'LL JUST BE HONEST WITH THE NEW BOARDS, YOU KNOW, IS THAT I UNDERSTAND BACK IN, IN, IN 2020 WITH COD AND TRYING TO HAVE, UM, A COST SHARE IN HELPING EACH SIDE OF THE, THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, WARREN COUNTY HANOCK.

UM, THE WAY I, I UNDERSTAND, AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IS THAT THE AGREEMENT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE TEMPORARY.

THAT IS CORRECT.

IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AT TWO YEARS, I THINK IT WAS.

WELL, I THINK IT WAS AN ANNUAL BASIS AND IT PRECEDED ME.

IT PREDATED ME.

BUT THAT SAID, WHEN I WAS INVOLVED AND I, AND I, LET ME, LEMME SAY TO YOU HONESTLY, I'M, I WAS AN ADVOCATE UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU DON'T TRIP OVER A JURISDICTIONAL LIE.

IT WAS A MEANS TO GET TO AN END, ALBEIT IMPERFECT, BUT TO YOUR POINT, IT WAS PREDICATED SIMPLY ON A TEMPORARY MEASURE AND THE MONEY EARMARKED FOR IT WAS FROM RESCUE ACT MONEY, CORRECT? MM-HMM .

AND SO THEREFORE IT NEVER CAME OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND.

UM, AND THAT'S WHY I'M VERY SPECIFIC IN REGARDS TO, I KNOW THAT MONEY ACROSS THE STREET'S GONNA GO A LOT LONGER TO SERVE NOT ONLY THE CONSTITUENT BASE, BUT ALSO I CAN ENSURE OVERSIGHT IN REGARDS TO SAFETY AND ACCOUNTABILITY AND ALSO ENSURING ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT COVERAGE, UM, WHERE I CAN'T DO THAT TODAY.

AND SO I THINK IT WAS TWO, UH, TWO YEARS THE, UM, THE MONEY WENT, UH, RAN OUT AND NOW THIS MONEY IS COMING OUT OF THE CHIEF'S, UM, ANNUAL BUDGET.

THAT GOES ACROSS THE COUNTY LINES.

AND, AND I, AND I'M JUST BEING HONEST WITH EVERYBODY, I REALLY HAVE, I UNDERSTOOD THE MODEL, I UNDERSTOOD THE REASON WHY WE DID IT, BUT YOU KNOW, NOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO BRING UP OUR STANDARDS AND, AND HELPING THE CHIEF ACHIEVE THOSE, THOSE GOALS, I REALLY THINK THAT THAT MONEY WOULD BETTER SERVE US, WARREN COUNTY AND, AND IT HELPS WITH THE EFFICIENCY FACTOR OF HIRING, UM, SOME STAFF FOLKS THAT THEY, THEY REALLY NEED, YOU KNOW, SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT MY, MY 2 CENTS IN.

WELL THAT I THINK THE MONEY HAS BEEN WELL SPENT AND IT HAS SERVED WARREN COUNTY.

IT HAS, UM, CHESTER GAP HAS BEEN A GREAT ALLY, NOT ONLY IN PROVIDING, UH, IMMEDIATE RESPONSE, BUT HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE HAD TO BORROW AN AMBULANCE OR OTHER EQUIPMENT AND THEY HAVE BEEN READILY AVAILABLE TO US, UM, WHEN WE WERE DOWN AN AMBULANCE AND THEY WOULD SAY, WE'D CALL AND THEY'D SAY, YES, COME GET IT.

UM, SO NOT AN AMBULANCE, BUT FOR SURE A FIRETRUCK.

WELL I THINK AT ONE POINT WE WERE USING SOMEBODY'S AMBULANCE FROM UP THERE.

I'M SURE WE WERE, BUT I DON'T THINK IT WAS THEIRS OF YOU.

BUT THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE SUPPORTED US IN, IN MANY WAYS.

AND MY END OF THE COUNTY IS THE MOST SPARSELY COVERED INTO THE COUNTY.

IT'S JUST A TRUE FACT.

AND, UM, TESTER GAP IS, YOU KNOW, TO JERRY, YOU LIVE THERE VERY FIRST DUE IN A TOO LARGE HARD TO GET INTO, UM, SUBDIVISIONS.

AND I NEED, WHETHER WE DO AWAY WITH THE AGREEMENT OR NOT, I NEED TO BE ABLE TO ENSURE THAT THE PEOPLE ON THAT END IN MY DISTRICT FEEL THEY HAVE A SENSE OF COVERAGE.

SO IF WE'RE GONNA SAY WE'RE GONNA GET OUT OF COVERING HAVING CHESTER GAP BE A PART OF COVERING OUR COMMUNITY, UM, THEN WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE UPSCALE THAT ONE SO THAT MY AREA'S COVERED FINE, FINE.

IT IS, IT IS PURE FACT.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE COVERAGE MAP, MY END OF THE COUNTY IS ON THE SHORT END OF THE STICK OF, UM, COVERAGE CHIEF.

MAY I ASK? I, I ACTUALLY HAVE TO SAY, BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT .

WELL, I MEAN, LEMME SEE IF I CAN DO A BETTER JOB, UM, CLARITY.

SO PLEASE.

ANY QUESTIONS? I'LL, I'LL BE DRAFT.

GLAD TO DO MY BEST.

YEAH, I MEAN, W THERE'S AN AGREEMENT OF THAT WHERE STAFFING EXISTS FOR WARREN COUNTY AT CHESTER DRIVE.

IN RHAN COUNTY BASICALLY SAYING THAT WE NEEDED TO, YOU KNOW, UP THE WAGE AND WE SIMPLY CAN'T DO THAT.

YES SIR.

THE PROPOSAL OR WHAT'S BEING DISCUSSED.

SO WHAT PERPETUATED THIS MOST RECENTLY, OKAY, IS, UM, AND WITHOUT GETTING INTO ANY OF THE YOU SPECIFIC LANGUAGE, WE RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM, UM, THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR

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IT'S BAD BUSINESS ALL THE WAY AROUND.

AND FRANKLY, IT'S APPLES AND ORANGES.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SUBCONTRACTORS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EMPLOYEES.

IT'S TOTAL DIFFERENT ANIMAL.

UM, THE OTHER THING IS, IT'S BAD BUSINESS IN THE SENSE THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GONNA PAY, YOU KNOW, 20 BUCKS AN HOUR TO OUR FOLKS AND PAYING $30 UP ON THE HILL.

I CAN'T COMPETE.

AND AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S APPLES AND ORANGES AND THAT'S ONE PIECE OF IT.

TO CHERYL'S POINT, I AGREE WITH HER IN A SENSE THAT RESPONSE TIME IS AN ISSUE.

I CANNOT CHANGE THE PROXIMITY.

MY ADVOCATION IS WE MISS MORE CALLS ACROSS THAT STREET THAN WE DO ANYWHERE ELSE BY FAR.

UM, TWO THIRDS OF OUR CALL THAT OUR HOUSE RIGHT THERE IS DUE, FIRST DUE IN THAT DISTRICT.

NOW THAT SAID, NINE COMES DOWN THAT HILL TO COVER A LOT OF THAT DUE WHEN WE SIMPLY DON'T HAVE ASSETS.

AND MOST RECENTLY, I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE PAPER AND LISTEN TO ANY OF THE MEDIA OUTLETS, YOU'LL SEE HOW BUSY WE WERE THIS WEEKEND.

WE WERE OUTTA RESOURCES THIS WEEKEND AGAIN.

SO IT'S NOT UNCOMMON TO CHERYL'S POINT.

AND I AGREE WITH YOU, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE RESPONSE TIMES I LIVE IN THE SAME DISTRICT, THE RESPONSE TIMES IN MY AREA ARE LARGER.

UM, POPULATION DENSITY IS LESS.

SO NINE TIMES OUTTA 10 ACROSS THE STREET WHEN THE, WHEN THE TONES DROP, YOU CAN REST ASSURED IF THEY'RE NOT FIRST TWO ON THE BOX OR ON THE DISTRICT ASSIGNMENT, THEY'RE SECOND OR THIRD DO, AND THAT'S THE COMPANY ACROSS THE STREET.

SO WHEN THEY GO OUT ORIGINALLY THAT THAT COMPANY GOES DARK.

SO MEANING THERE'S NOBODY ELSE TO RUN.

WHAT I'M ADVOCATING IN LIEU OF STAFFING CHESTER GAP, UNDERSTANDING THE FINANCIAL CHALLENGES, I CANNOT CHANGE THE PROXIMITY OF THE LOCATION, CHESTER GAP AND LOCATION TO THE TWO, UM, AREAS THAT SHE'S IDENTIFIED.

I AGREE.

BUT WHAT I CAN SAY IS I CAN ENSURE THAT THE STAFFING ACROSS THE STREET IS GONNA BE ONE OF WHICH THAT IS GONNA BE ENSURED.

THAT IT'S GONNA BE ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT IN BOTH AREAS, WHETHER IT BE WHETHER THE FIRST AMBULANCE GOES OUT THE DOOR OR THE SECOND A OR YOU GONNA HAVE A PARAMEDIC ON THAT PIECE.

I WOULD MINIMUM STAFF IT AS SUCH.

AND ALSO IT MOVES TO THE CALL PRESSURES WITHIN OUR GEOGRAPHIC BOUNDARIES OF THE 219 SQUARE MILES.

WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR, UM, I'VE SAID THIS ALL ALONG TO DR. DALE AND MS. CU, UM, WE'LL NEVER TRIP OVER A JURISDICTIONAL BOUNDARY IF SOMEBODY ASKS FOR OUR ASSISTANCE.

IT'S NOT ABOUT WARREN COUNTY, RAPPA, HAN COUNTY, FREDERICK COUNTY, IT'S ABOUT THE CITIZENS WE SERVE.

SO IF SOMEBODY NEEDS SOMETHING, WE'RE GONNA SEND 'EM THAT WAY.

BUT IF WE DON'T HAVE 'EM, WE CAN'T SEND THEM.

CONVERSELY, I'D LIKE TO BELIEVE IN THE PERFECT WORLD AUTOMATIC AID, WE'RE GONNA GET THE SAME RECIPROCATION.

NOW THAT REMAINS TO BE DETERMINED, BUT WE SHOULD THAT IN THE PERFECT WORLD, THAT'S THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO WORK.

MR. JAMES.

OKAY, SO, SO IF I CAN, I TRY TO PLAY IT BACK TO YOU AND SEE IF I, PLEASE, PLEASE.

YOU ARE, UH, HAVE MADE A REQUEST FROM NINE FIREFIGHTERS AND YOU RECOGNIZE THAT OUR SITUATION'S NOT GONNA BE FUNDED.

AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE THE DEMAND IS HIGHEST ACROSS THE STREET.

ABSOLUTELY.

AND IF YOU WANT TO RESPOND, BE ABLE TO REMEDY OR, OR AT LEAST KIND OF DEAL WITH THAT FACT AND, AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT A, A RESOURCE WHICH IS YOU, I THINK YOU'RE SAYING IS GONNA GO UP SIGNIFICANTLY IN COST AT CHESTER, GAP IS GOING TO BE MOVED FROM THERE TO NUMBER ONE, TO ADDRESS THE INCREASE DEMAND, THE DEMAND THERE AND, AND, AND ELSEWHERE.

AGAIN, NOT JUST IN THEIR FIRST TWO DISTRICT.

YOU'RE SAYING THE CAPACITY'S GONNA INCREASE THERE, WHICH WITH WHAT IT SAYS YOU, YOU'RE GONNA BASICALLY COVER, PROTECT CHESTER, YOU RESPONSE FROM STATION ONE BY CROSS DEATH AND ALL THAT SUCH.

ALRIGHT, SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU'LL HAVE MORE CAPACITY THERE, WHICH IS WHERE MOST OF THE DEMAND IS.

BUT WHAT I CAN'T CHANGE BY INCREASING THAT CAPACITY, YOU ALSO CAN, CAN COVER THE CHESTER GAP.

BUT ESSENTIALLY IT'S MOVING SOMEBODY FROM HERE TO HERE IN ESSENCE.

IN ESSENCE, I CONTROL THE, THE METRIC AND WHAT GOES OUTTA THAT FIREHOUSE.

I CAN ENSURE A LS STAFF OH, OKAY.

AND ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT STAFF.

AND HE, HERE'S, HERE'S WHAT I CAN CHANGE AND LET ME VERY EXPLICIT, IS THE PROXIMITY OF THE CHESTER GA FIRE DEPARTMENT.

THOSE TWO NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED CANNOT, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT CLOSER, WE'RE FARTHER NOW, I THINK RESPONSE TIME, GETTING OUTTA THE FIREHOUSE AND THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT.

BUT I CAN'T DENY MS. COLOR'S POINT.

IT'S A VALID ONE.

THE POINT IS, IT IS A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH CHESTER, CHESTER, GA, ONE OF WHICH WE VALUE.

BUT GIVEN THE ALTERNATIVE WE WERE GETTING, NOT ONLY FROM MR. GARY, BUT ALSO FRANKLY IF, IF EVEN IF WE WERE TO BRING IT UP TO OUR, OUR CURRENT WAGES, WE SIMPLY DON'T HAVE MEAT ON THE BONE.

I'VE ASKED YOU GUYS FOR NINE POSITIONS BECAUSE OF SAFETY AND ACCOUNTABILITY WITHIN A CONSTRAINT OF THE 219 SQUARE MILES THAT WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR.

OF THAT NINE BODIES, LOOKING AT THAT BALANCE SHEET, I REALIZE THAT THREE OF WHICH CAN BE OBTAINED BY DOING WHAT I SUGGEST.

ALBEIT IMPERFECT.

HOWEVER, THAT STILL WOULD BE MY ADVOCATION.

CAN I HEAR, UH, RESPONSE TO WHAT, UH, MRS. KOHLER SAID ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY DIDN'T EXPECT US TO MEET THAT, THAT, UM, THAT WAGE?

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I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT.

I ONLY HAD THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS PUT FORWARD TO ME BY THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, MR. GARY.

HE SENT IT TO MR. ON DR.

DALEY AND MYSELF.

PLEASE SIR, IF I MAY, IT'S A THREE PARTY AGREEMENT.

AND HAN COUNTY HAD ONE POSITION AND WHAT CHESTER GAP TOLD MRS. COLORS IS A DIFFERENT POSITION.

SO THREE PARTIES IN THIS AGREEMENT RATHER THAN A AND B, IT'S A, B, AND C THAT MAKE, MAKES A DIFFERENCE IN C WAS NOT EXPECTING A TO NECESSARILY DO WHAT B SAID THEY SHOULD DO.

I THINK, AND ALSO AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION, IF I MAY, UM, IS THAT THE AGREEMENT WAS PREDICATED ON A TEMPORARY BASIS TO HELP THE VOLUNTEER ENTITY GET OVER THE HUMP BY NOT HAVING VOLUNTEERS IN THEIR FIREHOUSE.

THOSE SAME CHALLENGES HAPPEN WITHIN THE CONS CONFINES OF WARREN COUNTY TODAY.

I MEAN THERE THAT'S NOT ATYPICAL TO CHESTER GAP.

CHIEF BROWN MADE A VERY GOOD POINT AND I SUPPORTED IT.

IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T, NOW THE DISTINCTION IS IT WAS TEMPORARY.

AND THE SECOND DISTINCTION IS IT DIDN'T COME OUT OF MY OPERATIONS BUDGET.

IT WAS, IT WAS RESCUE ACT MONEY AND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SHORT-LIVED.

SO MY POINT IS NOW RESPECTFULLY, IT'S GETTING INTO MY HIDE WHEN I'M ASKING FOR BODIES TO CROSS THAT STREET.

AND IF I HAVE TO PRIORITIZE, I WANNA REMOVE ANY AMBIGUITY.

IT'S ACROSS THAT STREET.

THERE, THERE WAS ONE THING THAT, UH, THAT CAUGHT MY, MY ATTENTION AND YOU, YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THE REIMBURSEMENT AND THE FACT THAT RIGHT NOW FOR IF, IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY BECAUSE OF THE, THE, THE, UH, UH, THE WHAT, WHAT WE HAVE SET UP, WE DON'T GET ANY OF THAT REIMBURSEMENT.

IT GOES TO CHESTER GAP.

BUT IF WE, IF WE MOVE THEM OVER HERE, WE DO GET THAT REIMBURSEMENT THAT OVER TRANSPORTS THE PATIENT GETS THE REIMBURSEMENT.

SO IF CHESTER GAP GOES, BUT WE TRANSPORT, WE GET THE MONEY AND THAT'S STILL, THAT'S THAT WAY TODAY.

SO IF WE DO SO, I THINK TOO, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CHIEF OR I HAVE NOT DISCUSSED IS THIS IS MERELY THE STAFFING AGREEMENT.

WE STILL ADVOCATE THE COUNTY STILL PROVIDE THEM AN ANNUAL ALLOCATION AND THEY STILL PROVIDE A LEVEL OF SERVICE TO THE RESPONSE AREA AS ALREADY PRE-IDENTIFIED.

SO THERE IS AN EXPECTATION THAT THEY CONTINUE TO PROVIDE A LEVEL OF SERVICE TO THAT RESPECTIVE AREA.

IT'S JUST THROUGH THAT VOLUNTARY BASIS WITHOUT THE STAFFING AGREEMENT AND OR OUR PARTICIPATION IN THAT AGREEMENT.

AND, AND CHIEF BROWN ASSURED ME THAT HE'S A VERY PROFESSIONAL, HONORABLE MAN AND HE SAID THERE'S NO WAY THAT IF WE ARE, HE IS NEEDED ON OUR SIDE OF THAT COUNTY LINE, THAT HE WILL COME.

EXCEPT IF HE GETS TO THE POINT WHERE HE CAN NO LONGER, HE HAS NO PROVIDERS.

AND THEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE'LL DO THERE IF YOU, IT'S THE SAME THING ON OUR SIDE.

IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYBODY TO RUN THE CALL, YOU CAN'T RUN THE CALL.

AND THAT WAS THIS WEEKEND AS AN EXAMPLE.

BUT, UM, HE DOES NOT INTEND TO SIT KNOWING THAT WE NEED HELP AND NOT COME AND HE IS HOPEFUL THAT THE CONTINUED RELATIONSHIP OF OUR, UM, GOING INTO HIS COUNTY WILL BE THERE AS WELL.

ABSOLUTELY.

NO.

I HOPE I CLEARED THAT UP FOR YOU MR. JAMESON.

YES, THANK YOU.

ABSOLUTELY.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, WAIT.

MENTIONED FOR JUST CLARIFYING THE COST RECOVERY, UH, MRS. COLOR SAID EXACTLY RIGHT.

WE NEVER TRANSPORT US, BUT THE OTHER STATIONS IN WARREN COUNTY, ALL OF THE FUNDS GOES TO THE DEPARTMENT INTO THE COST RECOVERY FUND AND IT'S ALLOCATED BACK FOR ALL THE DEPARTMENTS.

SEPARATE SINCE CHESTER GAP IS IN RAPID OCK, RAPID HANOCK MADE THE DECISION THAT THE MONEY SHOULD GO TO CHESTER GAP.

RATHER THAN INTO POOL.

AND I WILL SAY WE DO A LOT OF MUTUAL AID, SAY TO FAKI COUNTY.

SO IF WE GO INTO FAKI COUNTY TO ASSIST THEM, BUT THEY MAKE THE TRANSPORT, THEY GET THE MONEY THERE TOO.

IF WE MAKE THE TRANSPORT, WE GET THE MONEY.

ANY PATIENT WE TRANSPORT CONVERS.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

THE MONEY STUFF.

IS NOT A TYPICAL, UM, AND YOU'LL SEE MORE OF IT AS YOU SEE MORE DEMAND ON THE SYSTEM.

IT'S, IT'S WHO RENDERS THE SERVICE.

SO, RIGHT.

SO IT'S, IT'S NOT JUST WITH RAPPAHANNOCK, IT'S ALL OF OUR SURROUNDING COUNTIES.

IF WE GO INTO SHENANDOAH COUNTY, BUT THEY DO THE TRANSPORT AND WE'RE JUST THE MUSCLE BEHIND THE NEED, IT'S, WE DON'T GET ANY REIMBURSEMENT FOR THAT CALL AT ALL.

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AND IT'S NOT JUST CONVENIENT TO WARREN COUNTY AND OUR PROXIMITY, YOU'LL SEE AS THIS WEEKEND BEING AN EXAMPLE OF IT, WE ARE VERY DEPENDENT ON OUR MUTUAL AID NEIGHBORS.

CONVERSELY, THEY'RE VERY DEPENDENT UPON US.

UM, SO THERE'S VERY LITTLE RESILIENCY OR CAPACITY IN THE SENSE IN THE SYSTEM, HENCE ME ASKING FOR THESE POSITIONS.

UM, I DON'T THINK WE'LL EVER GET TO A POINT IN, IN ARLINGTON COUNTY, FAIRFAX COUNTY, WHILE THEY'RE VERY THICK AND VERY DEEP, YOU CAN NEVER SAY YOU CAN BE SELF-SUSTAINING, BUT YOU WANT TO START MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION FOR, FOR OBVIOUS REASONS.

BUT, AND TO, TO CHERYL'S POINT, AND I AGREE WITH HER GOING ACROSS THAT JURISDICTIONAL LINE OR THEM COMING HERE, YOU NEVER WANNA HOLD BACK ASSETS.

IT'S TOO IMPORTANT NOT TO.

MM-HMM.

ANYWAY, THAT BEING SAID, IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I'M AVAILABLE THIS EVENING, UM, OR EMAILS, WHATEVER.

AND I REALLY DO APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S TIME.

SO NEXT WE HAVE, UH,

[E. Discussion - Records Management System for Warren County Sheriff's Office ]

SHERIFF KLEIN.

THIS IS FOR THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT.

I DID THAT CHAIR SUPERVISORS, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME THIS EVENING.

NOW WILL, WILL THIS COVER BOTH OF THESE? YES.

CONTINUE SENDING OUR REPORTS AND OUR VIDEOS AND EVERYTHING HOW WE ARE CURRENTLY SENDING THEM TO THE COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY.

YES, AT THE SAME TIME, UM, SAME PRESENTATION.

UM, I DO HAVE TO TAKE OFF MY GLASSES.

UM, THE FIRST THING, AND IT IS A LOT, UM, THING THAT WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH EVER SINCE I GOT IN OFFICE, PROBABLY PRIOR TO ME GETTING IN OFFICE, IS, UM, WORKING ON HIRING.

SO IT'S KIND OF A TWOFOLD THING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

SO WHEN, UM, DR.

DALEY AND, AND MS. MEADOWS AND MY STAFF, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO TO TRY TO GET SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE FEEL ARE OUR NEED BASED AND NOT WANT BASED, UM, TO KEEP OPERATIONS RUNNING OPTIMALLY.

SO WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WAYS TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.

SO THIS IS JUST A, A PROPOSAL AND SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.

UM, WE'VE BEEN HAVING A REALLY TOUGH TIME GETTING STAFFING UP TO WHERE IT IS.

UM, THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE THAT WE HAVE IS OUR PAY STRUCTURE, UM, WHICH I'M GONNA GO INTO, UM, IN THE NEXT PHASE.

UM, BUT THIS YEAR WE ARE GONNA HAVE VACANCY SAVINGS THAT WE SEND BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND AND WORKING WITH, UH, THE COUNTY STAFF.

IT'S APPROXIMATELY $375,000 IN VACANCY SAVINGS.

UH, THAT IS WITH, UM, OUR REIMBURSEMENTS FROM EXTRA DUTY AND DMV GRANT OPERATIONS.

UM, OUR CAREER DEVE CAREER DE CAREER DEVELOPMENT, WHICH USUALLY GOES BACK INTO SALARIES AT THE END OF THE YEAR.

UM, OUR EMERGENCY 9 1 1 VACANCY SAVINGS AND, AND IT TOTALS TO BE ABOUT 560,000, $50.

SO TOTAL THAT WE WOULD HAVE AT THE END OF THE YEAR.

WHAT I AM PROPOSING, INSTEAD OF SENDING THAT BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND BECAUSE IT IS ALREADY BUDGETED FOR, IS THAT WE PAY FOR THE FIRST YEAR TO GET IT INITIALIZED OF THE MOTOROLA FLEX RECORDS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.

THAT IS AN ABSOLUTE NEED FOR OUR DEPARTMENT OPERATIONALLY.

UH, IT NOT ONLY, UM, HELPS THE COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, WHICH HE ALSO PUT A PLUG IN DURING HIS BUDGET HEARING AND I APPRECIATED THAT.

BUT ALSO FOR THE SECURITY ASPECT TO OUR SERVERS, UM, WE DON'T WANT ANOTHER ISSUE WHERE WE HAVE THAT AFTERS GETTING INTO THE SERVERS BECAUSE WE HAVE A VERY OUTDATED SYSTEM.

SO I HAVE LETTERS IN THIS PACKET FROM THE COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY AS WELL AS THE IT DIRECTOR IN SUPPORT OF THIS, UM, PROJECT.

UM, AND I GET YOU CAN READ THAT AS YOU WILL.

I DO KNOW THAT I'VE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH, UM, WITH TODD STAFF ABOUT THEY'RE TRYING TO UPGRADE THE STORAGE FOR THE COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND IT IS COSTING OR GOING TO COST ABOUT A THOUSAND DOLLARS A MONTH TO

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OUR, OUR CASES, OUR CASE FILES, UM, WITH A MOTOR MOTOROLA FLEX, YOU WOULD NOT NEED THAT EXTRA STORAGE.

IT'S ALL CLOUD BASED.

SO IT'S UM, IT'S LIKE YOU'RE OPENING UP A GOOGLE DOCUMENT ACTUALLY, LIKE YOU DO A SEARCH AND PUT IT IN THERE AND YOU HAVE EVERYTHING GOING DOWN LIKE YOU WOULD RESULTS FROM A GOOGLE SEARCH.

UM, SO YOU HAVE TWO LETTERS IN THERE THAT YOU CAN READ FOR THAT.

UM, THE FIRST YEAR TO GET MOTOR ORDER FLEX SO THAT WE CAN, UM, JUST START IT UPON SIGNING THE CONTRACT, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO, UM, PAY THE $474 PLUS THE 21,000 FOR THE COMMAND CENTRAL.

THE COMMAND CENTRAL IS WHAT THE JUDICIAL SHARING IS TO ASSIST IN GETTING OUR CASE FILES TO THE COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

UM, AND WHAT THAT DOES IS IT LEAVES US APPROXIMATELY, SORRY TO MY GLASSES ON HERE, $64,000 LEFT FROM THIS VACANCY SAVINGS, PURCHASING THE FIRST YEAR TO INITIALIZE THE PROJECT FOR OUR RECORDS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.

IT WILL TAKE A YEAR TO SET THAT UP TO GO LIVE.

SO YOU HAVE TO SET UP THE SYSTEM FOR WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, WHAT IN, IN VIRGINIA CODE.

SO IT'LL TAKE APPROXIMATELY A YEAR TO GET THE SYSTEM SET UP AND THEN DO ALL THE TRAINING ON THE STAFF AND THEN HAVE A GO LIVE DATE.

UM, SO WE'RE STILL A YEAR BEHIND BEFORE EVEN BEING ABLE TO UTILIZE THIS RECORDS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, BUT IT LEAVES US 64,000.

SO MY SECOND PROPOSAL ON THIS IS I HAVE ASKED FOR ONE AND A HALF CIVILIAN POSITIONS BECAUSE WHEN I CAME IN I DO THINK THAT I OVERCUT ON THE CIVILIAN POSITIONS AND WE'VE BEEN STRUGGLING A LITTLE BIT FOR THAT.

SO I WOULD REQUEST THAT THAT 64,000 THAT IS LEFT OVER HELP PAY FOR THE FULL-TIME POSITION THAT I HAVE REQUESTED, WHICH IS TO CONTINUE WITH THE YOUTH PROGRAMS IN THE SUMMER CAMP THAT WE'RE DOING THIS YEAR.

AS WELL AS, UM, WE HAVE STARTED A COUPLE OTHER VERY SUCCESSFUL COMMUNITY PROGRAMS, WHICH IS THE NORTH END RETAIL TASK FORCE.

AND THAT IS INCLUDED THE BIG BOX STORES.

SO WE HAVE TARGET ON BOARD AND LOWE'S AND WALMART AND A COUPLE OF THE OTHER, UH, STORES OUT THERE.

SO THAT THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON OUT THERE, WE MEET REGULARLY AND, AND TALK ABOUT WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS OF OUR RESPONSE IS AND WHAT INFORMATION AND STUFF THAT THEY CAN DO.

UM, AND QUESTIONS ABOUT THE HOMELESS THAT ARE CAMPING OUT THERE AND THE TRACTOR TRAILERS.

AND IT'S REALLY OPENED UP A GREAT DIALOGUE WITH, WITH THE NORTH END RETAILERS ON THAT.

SO THAT IS TO CONTINUE SOME OF THE GREAT PROGRAMS THERE AND WE WILL STILL HAVE $10,000 LEFT, LEFT OVER AFTER THAT.

THESE ARE ALL ESTIMATES I EXPECT PERSONALLY, UM, THAT IT WILL BE MUCH HIGHER OF WHAT THE VACANCY SAVINGS ARE.

AND UM, WE JUST HAD A SERGEANT RETIRE WITH 17 YEARS EXPERIENCE, GO TO THE TOWN.

UH, WE HAD A MASTER DEPUTY, UM, GO FEDERAL IN JANUARY.

UM, THOSE ARE TWO BIG HITS BECAUSE THAT'S A LOT OF EXPERIENCE GOING OUT THE DOOR.

AND SO MY SECOND PART OF THAT, AND YOU CAN READ AM I ON THE RIGHT THING? SO LEMME GO.

DO YOU, YOU LOST THE, THE RESOURCES YOU NEED BUT YOU GAINED SOME MONEY.

IS THAT, IS THAT, I MEAN SAY THAT AGAIN.

YOU LOST VALUABLE RESOURCES FOR YOUR DEPARTMENT, BUT BUT YOU HAVE SOME FINANCIAL, UH, LEEWAY AS A RESULT.

THAT'S WHAT YES, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING.

BUT WE HAVE, WE'RE IN APRIL, I HAVE MAY AND JUNE AND WITH THE VACANCIES THAT WE'VE HAD THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, AND THESE, IN MY OPINION, I THINK THERE ARE TWO BIG HITS HERE IN THE SECOND PART OF THIS FROM JANUARY TO TODAY.

UM, WE WILL HAVE VACANCY SAVINGS, BUT THE SECOND PART THAT I WANNA ADDRESS IS WHAT CAN WE DO WITH OUR ISSUE OF RETENTION AND RECRUITMENT? THAT IS A HUGE ISSUE.

SO THAT IS THE SECOND PART OF MY PROPOSAL, UM, THAT I, I I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE SALARY COMPACTION, I HAVE A COUPLE THINGS.

SO THIS IS THE DOCUMENT ALONG WITH THIS SLIDE THAT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO GO OVER.

SO, SO BEFORE YOU MOVE ON TO THE, THE STAFFING, CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION, GOING BACK TO YOUR VACANCY SAVINGS, SO IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR, UM, YOU'RE ESTIMATING THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE ALMOST A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS LEFT OVER IN YOUR BUDGET.

THIS, THIS RECORD MANAGEMENT SYSTEM TO SIGN THE CONTRACT AND GET THAT PROJECT STARTED.

AND SO YOU WANNA USE THAT HALF A MILLION DOLLARS TO START

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SO THEN HOW MUCH WILL BE FOR NEXT YEAR? NEXT YEAR IS WHEN WE'RE IMPLEMENTING IT, THERE WOULD BE, THERE WOULD NOT BE AN EXPENSE NEXT YEAR FOR THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT.

AND THEN HOW MUCH PER YEAR WOULD IT BE TO, UM, SERVICE THIS GOING FORWARD? WHICH WOULD HAPPEN, WHICH WOULD START IN 2 20, 27.

AND HOW MUCH IS THAT? AND THAT IS APPROXIMATELY AROUND 225,000 A YEAR.

A YEAR FOR MAINTENANCE.

SO JUST A QUESTION.

SO THIS 560 K THAT WE, YOUR BUDGET'S GONNA BE UNDER RENTING IF YOU WILL.

UM, COULD IT BE ROLLED OVER INTO FISCAL YEAR 26 TO HELP BALANCE THE VEHICLES THAT YOU NEED FOR FISCAL YEAR 26? IN, IN BALANCE? FOR, FOR WHAT? I'M SORRY.

FISCAL YEAR 26.

I THINK YOU ASKED IN YOUR BUDGET, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU ARE ON IT 'CAUSE I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN SCRUBBING IT, BUT I RECALLED A MILLION DOLLARS THAT YOU WERE ASKING IN YOUR ASSET REPLACEMENT TO, FOR THE, FOR THE VEHICLES.

FOR RECORD.

OH, FOR VEHICLES? YES.

FOR VEHICLES.

SO I'M JUST, I DID, UM, SO I'M JUST ASKING AS A SCENARIO, BUT I DID DECREASE THAT WORKING WITH JANE.

SHE ASKED ME WHAT THE PRIORITIES WERE ON ALL OF OUR ASSET REPLACEMENT AND, UM, CIPS MM-HMM .

AND SO REALLY TRYING, 'CAUSE I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE UNLIMITED FUNDS.

I I COMPLETELY GET THAT AND I DECREASED THE AMOUNT AND I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO THAT EMAIL ON, ON WHAT WE DID BECAUSE I I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE ENOUGH MONEY FOR ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS.

AND I THINK WE DECREASED THAT TO EIGHT VEHICLES AGAIN, WHICH WE, WE DID LAST YEAR.

SO THAT'S LIKE 700 K.

IT, IT'S 800,000 WITH THE INCREASE IN, IN THE PRODUCTS AND STUFF.

AND WE STILL DO NOT HAVE OUR VEHICLES THAT WE PURCHASED LAST YEAR, UM, ON OUR LOTS TO BE ABLE TO USE.

SO, BUT HAVE YOU ORDERED THEM? OH, THEY, THEY WERE ORDERED IN, UM, WE GOT ONE THAT WAS ON SOMEONE ELSE'S LOT IN JULY AND THE OTHER SEVEN WERE ORDERED BY THE END OF JULY, EARLY AUGUST.

SO THE BUDGET FOR THE ASSET REPLACEMENT, YOU STILL, IT'S ALL OBLIGATED MONEY THAT WE'VE PUT A ASIDE.

SO YOU'RE IT'S ALREADY COVERED YES.

FOR LAST YEAR, RIGHT? YES.

YOU DON'T ANY MONEY FOR NEXT YEAR TO OFFSET THE OBLIGATION, SO, NO.

SO I DID DECREASE THAT TO $800,000 TO, TO GET EIGHT VEHICLES THIS YEAR.

BUT I'M TRYING TO COME UP WITH WAYS, SO COME UP WITH WAYS THAT I DON'T HAVE TO ASK FOR MONEY OR COME UP WITH SOME, EVEN ON THE SECOND PHASE, I'M NOT ASKING FOR MONEY.

SO IN THREE YEARS THEN YOUR BUDGET WILL COVER THE 200 KA YEAR FOR THIS RECORDS RETENTION? YES.

MINUS WHAT WE AND HOW MUCH DO YOU PAY NOW FOR THE, THE ONE THAT WE HAVE? 50 2052.

I KNOW IT'S A LEGACY SYSTEM.

I I GET IT.

YOU KNOW, BUT MUCH OLDER SYSTEM.

SO YOU WOULD BE ASK ASKING FOR AN INCREASE OF 150 K IN THREE YEARS BUT THAT YOU WOULDN'T BE DI DIPPING INTO YOUR VACANCIES.

THAT'S WHAT I SCREWED UP ON MY BUDGET, REMEMBER? THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO THAT'S OKAY.

WE'RE JUST THROWING NUMBERS OUT.

BUT YEAH, I I JUST DON'T WANNA MESS UP AND TELL YOU THE WRONG NUMBER AGAIN, 52,000 IS WHAT WE PAY ON, ON SOUTHERN ANDRA ALERT.

AND WOULD YOU I DON'T HAVE IT ON MY PAPER, BUT IT'S AROUND 200.

IT'S OKAY.

I, I GET IT.

YEAH, NO, JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.

WOULD YOU HAVE TO ADD THE 12,000 FOR THE YEARLY MONTHLY COST OF TRANS REPORTING IT TO THE COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY TO THAT, OR IS THAT INCLUSIVE OF THAT? NO, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY'S BUDGET.

IT WOULD HELP THEIR BUDGET.

NO, NO.

YOU SAID IT COST A THOUSAND A MONTH THOUSAND DOLLARS TO SEND THE RECORDS.

WOULD THAT BE INCLUSIVE OF THE 52 OR IN AT THAT? SO THAT IS TO INCREASE THEIR STORAGE AND I THINK THEY ASKED FOR THAT OR REQUESTED FOR THAT IN THIS, UM, FISCAL YEAR 26 BUDGET THAT'S ON THEIRS.

I GOT YOU.

OF THIS IS I AM I, I WANNA GO OVER THIS FORM.

YEAH, WHICH IS NOT PART OF MY BUDGET, WHICH IS AN ADDITIONAL COST WITH OUR EXISTING SYSTEM.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT THE ADDITIONAL YES.

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IT'S IN CONJUNCTION WITH, WITH WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE.

SO WHAT THIS IS, IS I BROKE OUT OUR EXISTING, UM, POSITIONS IN WHAT THEIR RANK IS, AND THEN I WENT THROUGH AND I PUT THEIR YEARS OF SERVICE, UM, IN THE SECOND LINE AND THEN PUT WHERE THEY, THEY ARE IN WHAT GRADE AND STEP THEY ARE IN ON OUR CURRENT SALARY SCALE FOR LAW

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ENFORCEMENT AND WHAT THEIR CURRENT SALARY IS.

SO LOOKING AT THAT AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS CURRENTLY WE HAVE A COMPACTION ISSUE AND IT, IT'S REALLY CAUSING A KIND OF A BIG MORALE ISSUE AS WELL, IS THAT WE HAVE SUCH A, A OVERLAP BETWEEN OUR DEPUTY THREES AND OUR MASTER DEPUTIES AND OUR MASTER DEPUTIES AND OUR SERGEANTS AND OUR SERGEANTS AND OUR LIEUTENANTS, THAT THERE IS SUCH A, AN OVERLAP.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UM, I JUST DID A COUPLE, SO EIGHT MASTER DEPUTIES CURRENTLY MAKE MORE ANNUALLY, AND THERE THERE'S ONLY NINE, THERE'S ONLY NINE MASTER DEPUTIES.

SO EIGHT OF THOSE MASTER DEPUTIES MAKE MORE THAN FOUR OF OUR CURRENT SERGEANTS.

AND THEN LIKEWISE, FIVE OF OUR SERGEANTS MAKE MORE THAN THREE OUT OF FOUR OF OUR, OUR LIEUTENANT POSITIONS.

AND YOU CAN SEE THAT, THAT ON THE SHEET.

I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE YOU ALL THAT INFORMATION, UM, ON THAT.

SO COMPACTION HASS BEEN A, A, A BIG ISSUE AND A BIG TALKING POINT FOR PEOPLE, UM, ON THIS, WHAT I AM PROPOSING, UM, WHICH COMPACTION IS ALSO, IT, IT AFFECTS RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION AS WELL.

SO ALSO RECRUITMENT, UM, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BRINGING IN CERTIFIED, UH, DEPUTIES, WE HAD, WE HAVE GONE THROUGH APPRO APPROXIMATELY 50 APPLICANTS THIS YEAR SO FAR IN THESE FOUR MONTHS, THREE AND A HALF MONTHS.

AND OUT OF THOSE WE HAD 10 CERTIFIED, ONLY 10 CERTIFIED THAT APPLIED.

FOUR OF THOSE WERE SELECTED FOR INTERVIEWS, AND TWO WERE IN THE BACKGROUND.

ONE DECLINED OUR OFFER AND ONE WAS SCREENED OUT.

BUT ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES WHEN THEY FIND OUT ABOUT OUR SALARY IS I, I CAN APPROVE UP TO A D AND DR.

DALEY CAN APPROVE UP TO AN H AND I USUALLY GIVE THE AMOUNT THAT DR.

DALEY CAN, UM, APPROVE WITHOUT HIS APPROVAL JUST TO SEE IF THEY WILL TAKE IT.

IT'S A WASTE OF OUR TIME TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF INTERVIEWING AND GOING THROUGH THE, UM, PSYCHOLOGICAL AND POLYGRAPH AND SPENDING THE MONEY ON THAT IF, IF THEY'RE NOT HAPPY WITH THE SALARY.

SO IT IS, UM, BEEN BEEN FRUSTRATING.

WE'VE HAD A COUPLE THAT, UM, WANT TO COME FOR SROS IN IN PARTICULAR AND EVEN COMING FROM PAGE COUNTY AND SALARY IS AN ISSUE AND I I IT'S, IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING.

I HAVE A QUESTION IS, IS THIS PUBLIC INFORMATION? HOW DO THEY NOT KNOW WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY APPLY? WELL, USUALLY WHEN WE PUT THE ADVERTISEMENTS OUT, YOU PUT THE, THE LOW END TO THE HIGH END.

BUT WE CAN'T EVER GET THE HIGH END.

SO WHERE THEY LAND IS BASED ON THEIR CORRECT.

THEIR SPECIFICS AND THEIR EXPERIENCE.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE SERGEANTS AND WHAT THEIR BEGINNING AND ENDING IS AND WHAT I HAVE PROPOSED, I WISH I HAD A BIGGER TABLE UP HERE.

THANKS ON THAT.

SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS, WHICH I KNOW IT'S BEEN DONE BEFORE, IS FREEZE FIVE POSITIONS.

UM, WE ARE AVERAGING 11 VACANCIES A YEAR.

UM, THE MAJOR, AND I DID GO THROUGH THE ORGANIZATIONAL CHART ON, ON WHAT WE WOULD FILL LAST.

AND SO WE KIND OF PUT THE XS THROUGH THERE.

UM, I WAS THINKING WE COULDN'T GO OVER FOUR AND IT WASN'T WORKING.

UM, WE HAVE AGREED ON FIVE THAT WE WOULD NOT FILL FIVE POSITIONS NEXT YEAR.

WE DO HAVE TWO THAT ARE SLATED FOR THE ACADEMY.

UM, BUT WITH THOSE FIVE DEPUTY VACANCIES THAT WE, WE WOULD FREEZE, WE'D HAVE APPROXIMATELY $300,000, 296 AND SOME CHANGE.

AND THAT IS WITH THE STARTING SALARY AT A, UM, STEP A AND THEN THEIR FICA VRS IN GROUP LIFE THAT THE COUNTY WOULD NOT BE EXPENDING THAT WOULD BE BUDGETED.

SO ON THAT $300,000, AND IF YOU GO BACK TO THIS, I HAVE PUT TOGETHER A NEW PAY SCALE, WHICH IS ALSO IN YOUR PACKET.

AND THIS IS JUST IN DRAFT FORM, BUT IF WE PUT THEM ON THE NEW PROPOSED GRADE SCALE, WHICH I HAVE PROVIDED HERE, AND I PUT THEM BASED ON THEIR YEARS AND EXPERIENCE AS WELL AS HOW LONG THAT THEY HAD BEEN IN THE POSITIONS IN, IN WHICH THEY ARE IN TO TRY TO GET IT WHERE THERE WASN'T SO MUCH OVERLAP.

I ALSO USE THIS SCALE, THIS SCALE HERE IS BASED OFF OF NOT NORTHERN VIRGINIA, NOT FREDERICK COUNTY, NOT F**K HERE, ANY OF THAT.

I BASE THIS OFF OF FRONT ROW POLICE DEPARTMENT'S PAY SCALE.

SO I DID A FOIA REQUEST FOR THE, FROM THE TOWN.

AND I BELIEVE I ALSO PROVIDED THAT IN, IN YOUR PAPERWORK, IN YOUR PACKET.

UM, I DIDN'T GIVE ANY NAMES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

UM, BUT I WENT OFF OF THEIR MASTER POLICE OFFICER PROGRAM AND I PLUGGED IN THE NUMBERS FOR OUR MASTER DEPUTY PROGRAM.

AND YOU CAN E EVEN SEE ON HERE,

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AND WHAT I'VE PROPOSED THAT WE PUT OUR EXISTING PEOPLE AT, AND I KNOW THAT THE YEARS IN SERVICE THAT WE EVEN HAVE AT OUR SERGEANTS FAR OUTREACH IS THE YEARS OF SERVICE THAT THEIR CURRENT SERGEANTS HAVE.

LIKE WE HAVE EXPERIENCE, BUT WE NEED TO KEEP OUR EXPERIENCE, WE SHOULD NOT HAVE LET A 17 YEAR VETERAN WALK OUT OUR DOOR WITH, WITH, WITH RANK.

AND, UM, AND IT'S FRUSTRATING.

THIS IS A MILE FROM OUR OFFICE AND THIS IS THEIR, THEIR PAY STRUCTURE.

AND I, I USE THAT.

I I UTILIZE THAT TO MAKE, TO MAKE THIS NEW SCALE.

AND RIGHT NOW, AND THIS IS WHAT WELL, SHERIFF CLIENT SHERIFF KLEIN.

SHERIFF KLE, I THINK THAT'S SMART BECAUSE LET'S FACE IT, THEY ARE THE, THE LOCAL COMPETITION.

THEY ARE.

AND WE HAVE 200, 217 SQUARE MILES TO, TO PATROL AS WELL AS THE SCHOOLS AND, AND COURT SECURITY AND COURT HOLDING AND, AND TRANSPORTING, DOING EXTRADITIONS.

AND THERE, THERE'S A LOT THAT WE DO.

BUT I'LL TELL YOU WHAT WAS REALLY FRUSTRATING TODAY IS I HAVE AN INTERIM SERGEANT WHO STARTED TODAY AND I HAVE AN INTERIM CAPTAIN THAT IS GOING TO START ON WEDNESDAY.

AND WE ASKED HR WHAT THE STANDARD WAS ON THE INCREASE FOR INTERIM PAY TO GO TO COVER THAT POSITION.

AND IF YOU FILL OUT, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS SHEET, THE, TO PAY AN INTERIM SERGEANT, THE STANDARD IS 10%.

IF I WERE TO GIVE THIS SERGEANT 10%, THEY WOULD BE MAKING MORE THAN ALL OF THE CURRENT EXISTING LIEUTENANTS.

HMM.

WHAT, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY INTERIM? INTERIM? SO WE HAVE A SERGEANT POSITION BECAUSE, UM, WE HAD A SERGEANT GO TO THE TOWN.

SO WE HAVE A VACANT SERGEANT POSITION, BUT UNTIL WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND, AND SELECT THAT PROMOTION, THEN WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMEONE FILL IN AS THE SUPERVISOR.

ALRIGHT? SO THE GAP BETWEEN SERGEANT AND LIEUTENANT IS SO NARROW THAT IF YOU OFFERED A 10% STEP UP FOR TO FILL AND I, I, I, ME PERSONALLY, I CAN'T TELL THE, THE LOWEST PAYING, WELL THE LOWEST PAYING LIEUTENANT THAT THE INTERIM SERGEANT IS GOING TO BE MAKING SEVERAL THOUSAND DOLLARS MORE THAN YOU.

I THINK THAT'S REALLY TOUGH.

AND THE SAME THING WITH THE CAPTAIN.

SO THE LIEUTENANT THAT IS GONNA BE INTERIM CAPTAIN WOULD BE MAKING MORE THAN ALL THREE OF MY CURRENT CAPTAINS AND THEIR SALARIES.

UM, THEIR STANDARD IS 16% BECAUSE LIEUTENANT IS NON-EXEMPT.

THEY CAN, UM, GET OVERTIME AND CAPTAINS AND ABOVE ARE NOT ALLOWED OVERTIME.

THERE IS NO, YOU WORK AS MANY HOURS IT IS AS IT IS TO GET THE JOB DONE.

UM, AND I, I DON'T KNOW HOW I CAN DO THAT AND I WOULDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE DOING THAT.

WE HAVE AN ISSUE ON THE UPPER LEVELS.

I DON'T WANT TO RAISE THE, THE LOWER END.

THAT'S WHAT WE ALWAYS DO IS STARTING TO PAY FOR DEPUTIES, YOU KNOW, AND OFFICERS.

AND IT SEEMS LIKE AROUND ROBIN, FREDERICK COUNTY AND WINCHESTER AND NANDO, HEY, WHAT ARE YOU STARTING YOUR, YOUR DEPUTIES AT? AND WE'RE ALWAYS INCREASING THAT.

AND WE NEVER DO ANYTHING ABOUT OUR DEPUTY TWOS, THREES MASTER DEPUTIES, LIEUTENANTS AND ABOVE.

AND IT CONTINUES TO, AS WE BRING PEOPLE IN, IT JUST, IT JUST COMPACTS IT.

THERE'S NO, YOU KNOW, UM, IT, IT'S BECOME A REAL ISSUE.

SO I WANTED TO PUT IT IN BLACK AND WHITE SO YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE NUMBER ONE, WHAT OUR LOCAL COUNTERPARTS ARE AND HOW THEY FIT INTO THIS, BUT ALSO HOW IT AFFECTS OUR, OUR OWN PEOPLE AND OUR OWN STAFF.

I FEEL THAT WE WORK REALLY HARD.

UM, I THINK OUR, OUR STAFF IS DE DESERVING, UM, TO BE LOYAL TO THE AGENCY IN WHICH THEY WORK SO HARD AT AND THAT THEY'VE BEEN HERE, UM, THEY ARE LEAVING.

WE HAVE A VERY YOUNG GROUP OF DEPUTIES AND I DO NOT WANNA BE A TRAINING GROUND WHERE THEY STAY FOR TWO YEARS AND THEY'RE OUT, THEY'RE GONE.

UM, AND I'M, I'M AFRAID THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.

UM, BUT WE'RE NOT DOING OUR STAFF ANY JUSTICE IF WE DO IT AFTER THAT FACT.

UM, SO MY SECOND PROPOSAL IS TO, WE'RE NOT GETTING QUALIFIED APPLICANTS ANYWAYS.

WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT BRINGING CERTIFIED, I'M HOPING WITH THIS NEW PAY SCALE WE WILL GET CERTIFIED IN HERE, WHICH GETS DEPUTIES ON THE ROAD A LOT QUICKER AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO FILL SOME POSITIONS.

BUT I WOULD LIKE TO FREEZE THOSE POSITIONS FOR ONE YEAR IN ORDER TO GET THIS NEW PAY SCALE, UM, ACCEPTED AND AND VOTED ON.

AND I DO THINK THAT I WOULD LIKE IT BEFORE JUNE 30TH.

UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR PLANS ARE.

IT'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE, UM, ASPECT ON THAT, WHAT DECISIONS THAT YOU MAKE ABOUT COLAS AND MERITS.

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SO I WOULD LIKE TO BE MINDFUL OF THE DATES.

UM, I AM TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING I CAN TO FIX THESE ISSUES AND NOT ASK YOU FOR A LOT OF MONEY.

$800,000 FOR VEHICLES IS A LOT OF MONEY.

UM, BUT LOSING EXPERIENCED DEPUTIES, MASTER DEPUTIES AND SERGEANTS, UM, THAT'S COSTING US A LOT OF MONEY AS WELL.

SO, SO WITH YOUR SALARY, UM, UM, PROPOSAL, SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU WANNA FREEZE FIVE DEPUTIES FOR LIKE 300 K YES.

FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR IN ORDER TO ADJUST THIS, THE, THE RATES.

I GET THAT.

BUT THEN YOU COME BACK AND YOU SAY, WELL, YOU HAVE A SAVINGS OF 560 K FOR FISCAL YEAR 25 BECAUSE OF OPEN VACANCIES.

SO ARE YOU SAYING WITH ALL THAT OPEN VACANCIES THAT YOU HAVE IN FISCAL YEAR 25, YOU HAVE CLOSE TO $800,000, 500,000? WELL, THIS FISCAL YEAR 26 IS GONNA BE FOR THE FREEZING OF THE DEPUTIES.

BECAUSE I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAY JUNE 30TH.

I WOULD, WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE AND ASK IS THAT YOU ACCEPT THE, THE GRADE, THE GRADES AND STEPS.

AND THEN, AND WE GET THAT APPROVED BECAUSE IF YOU DECIDE, OR WHOEVER MAKES THOSE DECISIONS ON IT'S JULY 1ST, THEN WE'RE, WE'RE BEHIND ON THAT MM-HMM .

UM, BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN, IF, IF OUR LOCAL COUNTERPARTS GET A CALL JULY 1ST, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA BE THAT MUCH MORE HIGHER THAN US.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO GET THIS IMPLEMENTED BEFORE YOU DECIDE.

'CAUSE IT'D BE A MOOT POINT THEN, THEN OUR, OUR STAFF WOULD NOT GET COLA PLEASE.

SO IF WE MAKE THIS ADJUSTMENT FOR FISCAL YEAR 26, HOW IS THAT GONNA AFFECT YOUR OVERALL BUDGET FOR THAT THAT YOU'VE ALREADY PROPOSED? OR IS THAT THE FREEZING, THE FIVE DEPUTIES THAT'S THOUSAND IS GONNA LET UP FOR FISCAL YEAR 26 TO INCORPORATE THE NEW SCALE.

AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM, I TOTALED, AND THIS IS JUST AN ESTIMATE, BUT I WAS BEING MINDFUL OF THAT 300,000.

AND SO IF WE DID IT EXACTLY AS WE HAVE HERE OR WE MAKE ADJUSTMENTS, BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT 272,000, WHICH IS UNDER THE 296,000 FOR FREEZING, UM, THE, THE FIVE POSITIONS.

SO THERE'S A SAVINGS THERE AS WELL.

I I DID NOT I, WHICH IS $20,000 BASICALLY.

SO FOR THE FOLLOW, SO FOR THE FOLLOW ON FISCAL YEARS THEN, SO IF YOU'RE GONNA FREEZE FOR ONE YEAR AND THEN 27 YOU'RE GOING TO OPEN UP THE FIVE VACANCIES, THE WAY I UNDERSTAND I'M GONNA REQUEST, YOU'RE GONNA REQUEST FOR IT.

SO THEN THAT WOULD MEAN THE FOLLOW ON YEARS, THE, UH, THE SALARIES ARE GONNA GO UP SO YOUR, THE, UM, POSITIONS WILL.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

I GET THAT.

I'M JUST TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, HOW THE BUDGET WOULD INCREASE.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT THIS IS NOT A GREAT IDEA, I JUST, I'M TRYING TO JUST LIKE, OKAY.

YOU KNOW, THE KEY WORD IS REQUEST, MA'AM.

I UNDERSTAND.

SO THAT WITH WHAT THE SHERIFF AND I TALKED ABOUT IS WITH THESE POSITIONS, SHE CALLS IT FROZEN, BUT THEY IN ESSENCE GO AWAY UNTIL THE BOARD IS ABLE TO BRING THEM BACK.

AND I KNOW IT IS HAPPENED BEFORE.

I KNOW.

SO A YEAR FROM NOW, THE BOARD MIGHT LOOK AT THESE FIVE POSITIONS AND SAY, WELL WE CAN FILL THREE OF THEM.

OR THEY MIGHT SAY WE CAN FILL ALL FIVE.

IT DEPENDS.

BUT IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD WOULD LOOK AT WITH THE 27 BUDGET AS AND THAT SHEET OF NEW POSITIONS WHERE CHIEF MANZANO HAD HIS NINE POSITIONS.

AND THE SHERIFF HAS THE TWO, UH, CIVILIANS THAT WOULD BE A SHEET LIKE THAT, THAT THESE POSITIONS WOULD COME ON TO.

I GET IT.

THOSE, THOSE POSITIONS EITHER.

SO SO IT'D BE PART OF THE BUDGET REQUEST IF SHE, SO THE BOARD'S NOT MAKING A COMMITMENT 'CAUSE YOU'RE, JASON WILL TELL YOU YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO THAT'S RIGHT.

COMMIT THE FUTURE BOARD .

THAT'S CORRECT.

AND I CERTAINLY, IF I, AND I DON'T THINK I WILL, I THINK IF WE FIX THESE SALARIES HERE, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE BE AVERAGING 11 VACANCIES.

I DO THINK THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO FILL SOME VACANCIES, BUT IF I WAS STILL AVERAGING 11 VACANCIES, I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T ASK YOU TO UNFREEZE

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SO, WELL, IT, IT COMES DOWN TO THE BUDGET I'M HOPING FIXES A LITTLE BIT.

WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME IN INTERVIEWS.

AND WE DO A WRITTEN TEST.

WE DO AN AGILITY, UM, PHYSICAL AGILITY TEST.

WE DO POLYGRAPHS IN, IN PSYCHOLOGICALS.

WE'RE PAYING A LOT UP FRONT AND THEY'RE NOT EVEN IN THE DOOR YET.

UM, WE HAVE IMPLEMENTED, UM, WITH APPROVAL FROM JASON HAM, A CONTRACT THAT IF WE DO SEND YOU TO THE ACADEMY, WE DO REQUIRE TWO YEARS OR YOU WILL PAY BACK A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE ARE SPENDING ON YOU.

UM, WE, WE DO HAVE THAT IN EFFECT.

UM, BUT WE, WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING.

UM, IT, IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.

UM, I HATE TO SAY WE KEEP ON KICKING IT DOWN THE ROAD, BUT I MEAN WE, WE SORT OF ARE, WE HAVE TO KEEP UP WITH WITH WHAT'S ALL AROUND US.

I'M JUST ASKING THAT WE KEEP UP WITH OUR OWN WARREN COUNTY LOCALITIES.

THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.

IIII THINK THAT'S SMART.

YOU KNOW, THE, UH, I WAS GONNA MENTION THAT SOUTHWEST AIRLINES, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY DO THEIR PRICING NOT BASED ON OTHER AIRLINES.

THEY DO IT BASED ON WHAT IS THE COMPETITION AND THAT'S PEOPLE DRIVING, YOU KNOW, THE SO, AND WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS YOU'RE TAKING A LOOK AT THE SAME THING AND SAYING, WHAT IS MY LOCAL COMPETITION HERE? WHO AM I LOSING MY, MY TALENT TO? AND SO I THINK THAT YOU HAVE DONE THE RIGHT THING.

I THINK WE'RE ALSO SAVING MONEY 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TO DO A PAY STUDY.

, WE'RE ONLY GOING OFF OF WHAT IS LOCAL AND WHAT WE KNOW.

POCKET FOR HEALTH INSURANCE WAS EYE OPENING.

SO, I DON'T KNOW.

I THINK IT'S A WIN-WIN BY NOT, I KNOW WE'RE STRUGGLING THIS YEAR, UM, FINANCIALLY, UM, I, WE'RE TRYING TO DO OUR PART IN, IN IN AND HELP WITH THE ISSUE.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

WELL I KNOW I I'VE ASKED FOR THIS FOR A COUPLE YEARS AND UM, WE STILL HAVEN'T REALLY GOTTEN LOOKED AT IS, UM, FOR RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION TO LOOK AT WHAT IT WOULD COST US TO COVER THE GAP YEAR FROM RETIREMENT TO, UM, WHEN MEDICARE, UM, AND SOCIAL SECURITY KICKS IN.

BECAUSE 25 YEARS OF SERVICE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT SOMEBODY WHO CAN RETIRE OUT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT PUBLIC SERVICE AT 50, 55 YEARS OLD.

UM, AND NOBODY ELSE DOES THAT.

AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO DO IT, BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT AND SEE.

UM, BECAUSE THAT, THAT MEANS A LOT.

IT DOES.

I MEAN I THINK THERE'S A, A LOT OF SOLUTIONS OUT THERE.

IT'S LIKE THINKING OUT OF THE BOX BOX.

I KNOW THE COUNTY USED TO DO, UM, PAY FOR YOUR HEALTHCARE IF YOU WORKED SO MANY, UM, HEALTH INSURANCE IF YOU PAY, DID SO MANY YEARS.

AND I THINK THAT GOT A LITTLE, THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT COVERING THAT THE HEALTH INSURANCE FROM THE TIME YOU, IF YOU RETIRE IN, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IT USED TO BE.

I KNOW WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE STILL UNDER IT.

UM, I THINK IN ABOUT 2014 THEY CHANGED IT.

SO THERE, THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE GRANDFATHERED INTO THAT.

AND I, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT COST, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT WAYS OF RECRUITING, 'CAUSE YOU'RE PUTTING OUT A LOT OF MONEY TO TRAIN PEOPLE AND THEN THEY HIKE IT OVER TO WHATEVER ADJOINING COUNTY GIVES 'EM A LITTLE BIT MORE.

OR NOW THE TOWN, WHICH THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE TO HIKE VERY FAR TO GET TO THAT ONE.

UM, AND IF, AND NOBODY ELSE'S THAT I'M AWARE OF.

'CAUSE I CHECKED INTO IT, EVERYBODY KIND OF DROPPED THAT OFF.

SO I EVEN THINK, UM, LIKE THE 4 57 OR 4 0 3 B, IF THERE WAS A, A COUNTY MATCH TO THAT, YOU KNOW, TO AS, AS A PERK.

UM, WE JUST NOT, WE, YOU ALL APPROVED TO GET OUR VARS, UM, MULTIPLIER WHERE ALL THE LOCAL AGENCIES WERE, BUT WE SHOULDN'T BE THE LAST ONES DOING IT.

YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE GETTING THERE.

UM, I I THINK WE'RE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND I THINK WE DO NEED TO THINK OUT OUTSIDE OF THE BOX.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE DR.

DALEY AND, UM, OUR STAFF HAS COME TOGETHER TO TRY TO COME UP WITH, WITH SOMETHING THAT ISN'T ALSO EXPENDING A LOT OF TAXPAYER MONEY ON THIS.

SO.

WELL, I KNOW WHEN YOU'RE AND I WILL TAKE ANY KIND OF SOLUTIONS.

THINK ABOUT THAT.

ANY, ANY IDEAS AND SOLUTIONS.

I'M VERY SOLUTION ORIENTED.

LIKE HOW CAN WE FIGURE THIS OUT? UM, WHAT CAN WE DO? NO.

WELL I I, I DIDN'T PAY ATTENTION AS MUCH.

UH, YOU KNOW, MY HUSBAND WORKED FOR THE STATE.

I KNEW WE HAD STATE INSURANCE, BUT I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT RETIREMENT.

WHEW.

$20,000 A YEAR PAY OUT OF

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BUT I'M GLAD WE HAD IT.

UM, AND AS A YOUNG PERSON, I DON'T THINK THEY THINK ABOUT THAT.

SO, UM, I THINK I JUST, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN AFFORD TO DO IT, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE THE NUMBERS AND SEE WHAT IT, WHAT IT PLAYS OUT THAT IT COULD POSSIBLY BE.

I DO WANNA MENTION ONE MORE THING IS THAT IT'S BEEN IN, UM, THAT HAD RAN IN RICHMOND A LOT ABOUT BRINGING RETIRED, UM, DEPUTIES OFFICERS BACK WHO HAVE RETIRED AND WHO ARE GETTING VRS.

UH, AND I, I'VE TALKED TO JANE BECAUSE THE EXPENSE HERE WOULD BE THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, IT WOULD BE A COST SAVINGS TO LOCALITIES.

SHE WOULDN'T BE PAYING VRS, THEY WOULD THE LEGISLATION THAT KEEPS THEM BEING PUSHED OFF AND PUSHED OFF AND PUSHED OFF.

IF YOU COULD TALK TO YOUR LEGISLATORS AND TALK ABOUT THE IMPACTS, IT IMPACTS OUR, OUR LOCALITIES IN A POSITIVE WAY.

SO I HAVE TWO PART-TIME DEPUTIES THAT ARE RETIRED VRS, THEY'RE DEPUTIES WITH, UM, OVER 25 YEARS EXPERIENCE AND HAD THE LEGISLATE LEGISLATION CHANGED, THEY WOULD CONTINUE TO GET THEIR VRS, THEY'D BE ABLE TO WORK FOR ME FULL-TIME AND THE COUNTY WOULD GET A FULL-TIME EXPERIENCED DEPUTY WORKING WITHOUT HAVING TO PAY SOME OF THE BENEFITS.

AND WE REALLY, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO PUSH IT AND TALK TO ALL THE LEGISLATORS.

I I DON'T KNOW WHAT SIDE OF THE, I DON'T EVEN, I DON'T CARE WHAT SIDE OF THE AISLE AND WHO IS FIGHTING FOR WHAT, BUT IT'S A WIN-WIN FOR LOCALITIES AS WELL AS VIRGINIA.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE STANDSTILL IS ON THAT, BUT I DO URGE IF YOU GET A CHANCE TO TALK TO, YOU KNOW, OUR LEGISLATORS IN RICHMOND POLICE TALK ABOUT THIS.

UM, 'CAUSE I HAVE TWO RIGHT NOW THAT I CAN PUT IN FULL-TIME POSITIONS AND, UM, AND ONE OF 'EM IS DOING OUR ACCREDITATION, UM, AND KEEPING UP WITH THAT.

SO, UM, WHAT IS IT THAT'S BLOCKED? WHAT'S, WHAT IS IT THAT'S NOT ALLOWED? I, I DON'T KNOW.

I THINK THEY HAVE, UM, I MEAN WHAT, WHAT IS THE SITUATION THAT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWING, THAT THE LEGISLATION IS NOT ALLOWING THAT PLACE? I I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE OTHER PROJECTS THAT THEY WOULD PREFER.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ROADBLOCK IS.

UM, NO, I DON'T MEAN I'M NOT ASKING WHAT THE ROADBLOCK IS.

I'M ASKING WHAT IS THE SITUATION THAT'S NOT ALLOWED.

I THINK IF YOU, YOU CAN'T OH, FOR RIGHT NOW FOR PART-TIME.

SO IF YOU ARE A RETIRED VRS, YOU CAN ONLY WORK UP TO 29 HOURS.

OH.

AND STILL GET THE RETIREMENT BENEFITS.

I GOTCHA.

AND, AND SOMETHING WITH THE, THE COUNTY AND IF YOU WORK OVER 29 HOURS OR IT'S AN ANNUAL AMOUNT, LIKE 1580 OR 1560 HOURS, THEY JUST DON'T WANT, THEN YOU HAVE TO OFFER THEM BENEFITS.

GOT IT.

IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S LIKE SOCIAL SECURITY THAT, UH, BETWEEN 62 AND 67, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING THAT THEY HAVE, UH, FOR EVERY, FOR EVERY $2 THAT YOU MAKE ABOVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT, THEY TAKE A DOLLAR BACK.

SO NEXT WE HAVE, UH, THE, UM, TOURISM AND PARKS RECREATIONAL PROPOSED ORGANIZATIONAL CHANGES.

AND I WAS BEGGING THE COUNTY, I SAID, LISTEN, MY PEOPLE WILL SIGN A WAIVER AND SAY, LISTEN, YOU CAN OFFER YOUR BENEFITS TO WORK OVER 29 HOURS.

THEY'LL SIGN IT AWAY THAT THEY DON'T WANT BENEFITS FROM YOU.

BUT THEN YOU HAVE VRS YEAH.

AND, AND WHAT THEIR RULES ARE.

UM, SO I LEGISLATION NEEDS TO CHANGE.

IT, IT, IT COULD REALLY HELP LAW ENFORCEMENT ACROSS VIRGINIA IF THEY WOULD REALLY LOOK AT THAT SERIOUSLY.

SO ANYTHING ELSE? I JUST WANNA SUM, I AM ALWAYS AVAILABLE FOR, I JUST WANNA SUMMARIZE IF, IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY ON THIS THING.

SO YOU HAD, UM, A NUMBER OF VACANCIES THAT YOU HAD TO, TO MANAGE WITH AND THAT LET YOU HAVE, UH, ESSENTIALLY RESULTED IN SOME CASH, WHICH YOU CAN GET THIS NEEDED SYSTEM FOR AND, AND YOU'RE BASICALLY ACKNOWLEDGING OR SAYING, WELL WE WILL BE ABLE TO FUNCTION AS A DEPARTMENT WITHOUT THESE, THESE FROZEN ONES BECAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU'VE BEEN GETTING ALONG.

I GUESS YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO DO THAT, BUT THAT'S THE OFFER YOU'RE MAKING BASICALLY TO BE ABLE TO REMEDY THE, THE LONGER TERM THING.

THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME THE TIME.

THANK YOU SHERIFF KLEIN.

[G. Discussion - Tourism and Parks & Recreational Proposed Organizational Changes - Jane Meadows ]

AND, AND BEFORE YOU, BEFORE YOU, UH, UM, LAUNCH INTO THIS, JANE, ANYTHING? OH, UH, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT THE, UH, YOU KNOW, I'VE TALKED TO SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS AND A AND AN IDEA THAT WE'VE GOT IS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE'RE, BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF LOOKING FOR A, UH, UM, SOMEONE TO, TO FILL THE POSITION.

I WON'T SAY A REPLACEMENT 'CAUSE NOBODY CAN REPLACE DR.

DALEY.

UH, BUT UH, SOMEONE TO FILL THE, THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR POSITION

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OF, DO YOU THINK THAT IT'D BE A, A GOOD IDEA TO HOLD OFF ON ANY TYPE OF, OF, OF HIRING FOR DIRECTOR POSITIONS UNTIL THE NEW PERSON GETS ON BOARD? WHAT, WHAT DO YOU THINK DR.

DALEY? WELL, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, THAT POSITION, WHEN WE HIRE THESE PEOPLE, SIR, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF BOARD MEMBERS INVOLVED AND THERE ARE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT, UH, STAFF PEOPLE INVOLVED.

UH, IF YOU, IF YOU WANTED TO HOLD THEM, YOU COULD YES, SIR.

DIRECTED YOU WOULD LIKE TO HOLD ALL POSITIONS.

YOU COULD DO THAT.

WELL, NO, I, I'M JUST ASKING WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS, WHAT, WHAT IS YOUR INPUT ON THAT? BECAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU KNOW THAT YOU'VE COME INTO POSITIONS LIKE THIS BEFORE AND WE, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS JUST MAKE SURE THAT, UH, WHEN WE GET, WHEN WE BRING SOMEBODY NEW ON BOARD THAT UH, WE'RE, WE'RE A NEW COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, THAT THEY FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THE PEOPLE THAT WE'VE JUST HIRED SO THAT THEY WOULD HAVE A, A SAY IN THAT DO, DO YOU KNOW, THE, UH, HOLDING OFF UNTIL THEY COME ON BOARD AND THEN THEY COULD HAVE SOME TYPE OF INPUT.

THE UM, NUMBER, NUMBER ONE, IF I DIDN'T THINK THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA, UM, YOU WOULDN'T BE LOOKING AT IT RIGHT NOW.

THIS IS JUST ABOUT RESTRUCTURING DEPARTMENT.

THIS IS RIGHT.

THIS IS THE MANAGER'S POSITION, NOT A DIRECTOR'S POSITION.

YEAH, I WAS THINKING THAT THAT THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE, UH, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? UM, TOURISM AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

YEAH, TOURISM AND YES SIR.

AND THAT'S A MANAGER BUT NOT A, NOT A DIRECTOR.

COMPLETION OF THE OVERPASS.

NO, AND I, I DON'T REMEMBER BEING BROUGHT INTO THAT CONVERSATION.

NO.

THE, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT UH, THAT WELL YOU SAID BOARD MEMBERS.

I'M A BOARD MEMBER SO I'M JUST CURIOUS IT, IT CAME UP AT A PREVIOUS WORK SESSION, UM, ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD WAIT I THINK WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT OPENINGS, 'CAUSE WE HAVE LIKE PLANNING COMING OPEN AND WITH WHEN I THINK I TALKED ABOUT THE JOB DESCRIPTION INITIALLY, I THINK IT WAS MENTIONED AS AN OPTION OF SHOULD WE WAIT? WELL I REMEMBER THAT.

BUT IF THERE'S BEEN OTHER CONVERSATION I HAVEN'T BROUGHT INTO NO THERE'S NOTHING ELSE.

NO THERE, THERE'VE BEEN NO OTHER CONVERSATIONS.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT AS WE HAVE GONE DOWN THE PATHWAY WITH THIS POSITION THROUGH THE MEETINGS WITH THE TOURISM COMMITTEE AND ACTUALLY LOOKING AT OTHER LOCALITIES AS WELL, I'M FINDING THAT A LOT OF LOCALITIES HAVE TOURISM AND RECREATION BLENDED.

UM, I THINK THAT GIVEN THE CURRENT STATUS OF OUR COUNTY AND TRYING TO GROW, UM, I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO AND BENEFICIAL TO DO THE SAME THING HERE.

SO HAVING THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SLASH TOURISM MANAGER BLEND INTO THE PARKS AND RECREATION STRUCTURE WOULD BE BENEFICIAL.

AND WE WOULD THEN DO IT AS BASICALLY THREE PRONGS.

SO ONE THAT FOCUSES ON SPECIAL EVENTS AND THAT TOURISM DEVELOPMENT.

ONE THAT'S FOCUSING ON REALLY RECREATION.

SO A LOT OF THE ATHLETICS AND THEN WE HAVE A LOT OF FACILITIES THAT WE RENT AND UTILIZE IN MANAGEMENT.

SO KIND OF DOING IT AS THREE DIFFERENT AREAS.

TIFFANY WALKER WOULD OVERSEE ALL OF IT.

UM, AND IN DOING SO, IT'S A LOT TO MANAGE THE SCOPE FOR THE UM, TOURISM POSITION WOULD MAKE IT A POSITION THAT IS AN EXEMPT LEVEL POSITION.

AND THEY WOULD HAVE THE PROGRAM COORDINATOR WHO WOULD BE BASICALLY COORDINATING THOSE SPECIAL EVENTS AND LARGER PROGRAMS REPORTING TO THEM AS LONG AS WELL AS UM, SOME OF OUR RECREATION ASSOCIATES, WHICH IS IMPORTANT.

AND HAVING A DIRECT TEAM TO HAVE THAT EXEMPT QUALIFICATION.

UM, WITH THE TOURISM SIDE OF THINGS, THAT'S PROBABLY THE ONE AREA THAT HAS THE MOST, MOST GROWTH.

BY SPLITTING IT UP INTO THE, THESE THREE SECTIONS, IT PROVIDES ROOM AND SOME STABILIZATION AS WE CAN GROW.

UM, AND THAT'S WHY I DO THINK THAT THIS STRUCTURE WOULD BE IDEAL.

IT ALSO BREAKS UP AND LIMITS THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE REPORTING DIRECTLY INTO TIFFANY.

UM, I THINK THAT IT WOULD CREATE A LITTLE MORE STRUCTURE AND STABILITY FOR THE TEAM.

AND AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW, WHETHER WE DO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ROCKLAND PROJECT, THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT DOING EVENTS OUT THERE WITH THE CURRENT SPACE, DOING A FALL FESTIVAL, EVERYTHING FROM PUMPKIN PATCHES AND EVENTS AND A LARGE EVENT.

'CAUSE IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ACTIVITIES OUTSIDE OF TOWN AND IN THE COUNTY.

UM, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY SHOULD BE EXPLORING.

UM, IT'S A PERFECT VENUE ESPECIALLY AS WE REALLY NEAR

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UM, SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE START UTILIZING THOSE RESOURCES AND DOING THINGS TO ATTRACT PEOPLE INTO OUR AVAILABLE FACILITIES.

UTILIZING BING CROSBY FOR MORE THAN JUST THE SEASON FOR THE HIGH SCHOOLS.

THERE ARE OTHER EVENTS THAT CAN BE HELD THERE AND RIGHT NOW WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE STAFF THAT ARE DRIVING THAT.

AND THAT'S WHERE WE THINK THAT HAVING THE TOURISM POSITION WITH PARKS AND RECREATION, 'CAUSE THEY'D BE UTILIZING PARKS AND RECREATION FACILITIES TO REALLY PUSH THAT WOULD BE THE PLACE TO REALLY HAVE IT ALIGNED AND HELP TO ACTUALLY GROW TO TOURISM IN THE COUNTY.

AND IT WOULD BE, I DON'T WANNA SAY GRASSROOTS, BUT REALLY YOU'RE GROWING TO, FOR RESIDENTS AND VISITORS, WE NEED TO HAVE EVENTS HERE SO WHEN PEOPLE COME TO VISIT THEY HAVE THINGS TO DO.

UM, IT'S REALLY KIND OF CHALLENGING TO BE LIKE, OKAY, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO FOR SPRING BREAK IN FRONT ROYAL? HMM.

CAN GIVE YOU TWO DAYS WORTH OF THINGS TO DO, BUT THE REST OF THE TIME THERE'S NOT A LOT.

SO, UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT TIFFANY AND I HAVE KIND OF KICKED AROUND REALLY SINCE SHE GOT PROMOTED.

UM, 'CAUSE I WAS LIKE, I DO THINK LONG TERM IT'S THE WAY TO GO.

I THINK NOW'S THE TIME TO DO IT.

UM, THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THE TOURISM COMMITTEE AND THE NEEDS THAT THE OTHER BUSINESS OWNERS ARE HAVING, I THINK THAT THIS WILL REALLY HELP TO SUPPORT THAT AND DRIVE IT FORWARD.

I JUST, UM MM-HMM I THINK WE WANT OUR, OUR VISITORS TO SAY, WHAT CAN I DO IN WARREN COUNTY? RIGHT? AND RIGHT NOW IT'S, WHAT CAN I DO IN FRONT ROYAL? UM, AND WE REALLY THINK IF WE FOCUS ONE WARREN COUNTY PEOPLE OUT TO THE COUNTY, IT WOULD BENEFIT US, ESPECIALLY THE NORTH END, THE TWO POSITIONS THAT ARE UNDERNEATH THE MM-HMM .

UM, THE MANAGER.

DO WE ALREADY HAVE PEOPLE IN THOSE POSITIONS? WE HAVE THEM BUDGETED AND PART-TIMERS ARE IN THE POSITIONS.

HOWEVER, THEY'RE UNDER BASICALLY ALL OF THEM.

SO THEY KIND OF ROTATE THROUGH.

SO THEY SO THEY ARE FAILED? YES.

UM, WE'RE CURRENTLY RECRUITING, RECRUITING FOR THE PROGRAM COORDINATOR.

OUR COORDINATOR LEFT, UM, APRIL 1ST AND WENT TO CLARK COUNTY.

SO WE ARE RECRUITING FOR THAT POSITION AS WELL.

BUT THAT'S ALREADY BEEN A PRE-APPROVED? YES, THEY'RE ALL APPROVED BY THE BUDGET.

TO REDO THE TRACK AND THE HVAC AND A COUPLE OF SHELTERS.

UM, I DID A COUPLE SLIDES 'CAUSE I'M EXTRA.

UM, SO WE DO REALLY, AND THIS HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT I THINK PROBABLY FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT DOING A FALL FESTIVAL.

UM, WHETHER IT'S ROCKLAND, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE BEST AREA TO LOOK AT.

I KNOW THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT DOING IT IN TOWN AND I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD.

UM, AND ON THE SOUTH END, I HATE TO SAY IT, BUT LERAY HAS A GREAT ONE.

SO WE DON'T WANT TO COMPETE WITH THAT.

AND IF YOU'RE HEADING CLOSER TO THE CITY, IF YOU CROSS INTO, UM, F**K HERE, THEY HAVE A FANTASTIC ONE THERE.

SO ROCKLAND WOULD BE THE PERFECT LOCATION.

OUR POOL, WE CAN REALLY UTILIZE IT AND DO EVENING EVENTS.

UM, RIGHT NOW WE BASICALLY CLOSE BEFORE DARK, SO THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE CAN MAXIMIZE IN ORDER TO REALLY HIT DIFFERENT BASES.

AND THEN, UM, OUR SUMMER PROGRAMMING, WE CAN REALLY UTILIZE OUR PARTNERS.

SO RIGHT NOW FIRE AND RESCUE, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, UM, PARKS AND REC ARE WORKING TOGETHER FOR, WE HAVE, UH, SUMMER CAMP FOR 30 KIDS THROUGH PARKS AND REC.

I KNOW THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT HAS ADDITIONAL A WEEK LONG CAMP.

UM, BUT WE'RE UTILIZING THOSE PARTNERSHIPS TO REALLY GROW THAT AND HOPEFULLY EXPAND IT OVER TIME.

AND YOU'LL SEE ON A FUTURE AGENDA APPROVAL FOR GRANT FUNDING THROUGH THE OAA FOR THIS.

UM, WITH ATHLETICS, I THINK IT'S BEEN A TOPIC THAT WE OUTSOURCE.

OUR ATHLETICS, THE LEAGUES ARE NOT THROUGH PARKS AND RECREATION.

WE FACILITATE, BUT WE DON'T DO, OTHER THAN BASKETBALL, WE DON'T REALLY COORDINATE.

UM, WE HAVE A AMAZING SOCCER ASSOCIATION AND AMAZING LITTLE LEAGUE ASSOCIATIONS.

UM, BUT IN OTHER LOCALITIES, THE FUNDING IS ALL THROUGH PARKS AND RECREATION.

WE DON'T DO THAT HERE.

IT'S REALLY THROUGH THE OTHER PARTIES.

UM, SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE KIND OF SHIFTING SOME OF THAT, I DON'T WANNA SAY WE'RE LEAVING MONEY ON THE TABLE, BUT WE'RE JUST SHIFTING IT.

WE'RE OUTSOURCING IT AND YOU OUTSOURCE IT.

THERE ARE PROS AND CONS AND THE CONS ARE WE LOSE SOME OF THAT FUNDING.

UM, AND WITH FACILITIES, WE HAVE SOME FANTASTIC FACILITIES IN THE COUNTY AND I THINK THAT WE'VE TALKED WITH PUBLIC WORKS TO SEE HOW WE CAN REALLY WORK BETTER IN ORDER TO HAVE MORE COMMUNICATION TO MAINTAIN THEM.

UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME CHANGES THERE.

AND WE'VE HAD SOME STAFFING CHANGES THAT HAVE MADE IT A CHALLENGE.

I THINK THAT TIFFANY AND MIKE ARE WORKING TO REALLY PUSH THINGS FORWARD.

UM, BUT ULTIMATELY IT TAKES MONEY TO REALLY SUPPORT FACILITIES AND WE WANT THIS TO EVENTUALLY BECOME SOMETHING THAT CAN SUPPORT ITSELF.

SO IT'S NOT REALLY A TAXPAYER LIKE, HEY, WE NEED $800,000

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SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANNA SEE WHAT WE CAN DO IN ORDER TO DRIVE THAT.

AND WE THINK BLENDING THE TWO AND PUSHING IT THAT WAY WILL BE GREAT AND WE CAN REINVEST SOME OF THE TOURISM DOLLARS INTO THINGS THAT CONTINUE TO DRIVE IT.

SO ARE ALL OF THESE FUNCTIONS UNDERNEATH THE, UM, RESPONSIBILITY OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT MANAGER THERE? NO, THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE SPECIAL EVENTS.

EVERYTHING ELSE IS UNDER PARKS AND RECREATION.

SO TIFFANY WOULD BE OVERSEEING EVERYTHING, THE ETHICS AND MM-HMM .

BUT NOT LEAST, WE HAVE DR.

ATHLETICS.

UM, THAT IS REALLY THE COORDINATION.

THAT WOULD BE A HUNDRED PERCENT THE PARKS AND REC DIRECTOR.

I SEE THE MM-HMM .

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE IT.

LAST

[H. Discussion - Warren County Economic Development - What's Next? - Richard Jamieson ]

JAMISON, THE EXCUSE.

WOULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR JURISDICTION? .

WE SEE IS TO CREATE A STRUCTURED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, CALLING IT EDP TO REBUILD CONFIDENCE AND FACILITATE CREDIBLE PROJECT FORMATION AND TO RENEW ECONOMIC COOPERATION BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE TOWN JURISDICTIONS.

WELL THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE STOOD HERE, UH, PRESENTING THIS UNIT.

THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS YOU AS A BOARD.

ALSO DOING THIS TO, UM, ADDRESS THE, THE PUBLIC.

UM, THE TITLE OF THIS PRESENTATION IS WARREN COUNTY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

WHAT'S NEXT? BRINGING YESTERDAY'S CHALLENGES TO TOMORROW'S, UH, TO TOMORROW'S OPPORTUNITIES.

UM, A FRAMEWORK FOR ACTION.

AND WHAT I'M DOING TONIGHT IS, IS SIMPLY OPENING, UH, A, A DIALOGUE, OPENING A DISCUSSION, CRACKING, OPEN SOME IDEAS, AND I WANT IT TO BE, TO BE PERCEIVED THAT WAY.

UH, NOT A PRESCRIPTION, BUT, UH, SOME IDEAS.

THERE ARE TWO THEMES IN, IN MY PRESENTATION TONIGHT.

ONE OF 'EM IS DIFFERENTIATION.

UH, IF WE ALLOW DIFFERENTIATING FACTORS TO BE COMPROMISED, WE DON'T JUST LOSE AN ASSET, WE WILL BECOME INDISTINGUISHABLE FROM EVERYONE ELSE.

GIVING VISITORS AND INVESTORS NO COMPELLING REASON TO CHOOSE US.

THE QUESTION ISN'T WHETHER WE CAN AFFORD TO PROTECT OUR DIFFERENTIATING FACTORS.

IT'S WHETHER WE CAN, CAN'T, WHETHER WE CAN AFFORD NOT TO.

THESE NATURAL ASSETS ARE OUR ECONOMIC ENGINE.

IN TODAY'S EXPERIENCE, ECONOMY AUTHENTICITY IS CURRENCY.

WARREN COUNTY'S AUTHENTIC CHARACTER IS WORTH MORE THAN TEMPORARY GAINS FROM GENERIC DEVELOPMENT.

THE SECOND THEME OF OF THAT'S GONNA RUN THROUGH MY PRESENTATION IS PROCESS.

THE, THE, WE'RE GOING TO REBUILD.

WE NEED TO REBUILD TRUST THROUGH PROCESS CENTRIC ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

AND I WILL EXPLAIN WHAT I MEAN BY THAT.

BUT JUST SOME, SOME PARALLEL OBSERVATIONS HERE WITH THE EDA MODEL, WE HAD A SINGLE EXECUTIVE THAT HAD A GREAT DEAL OF AUTHORITY.

UH, DECISIONS WERE MADE OFTENTIMES BEHIND CLOSED DOORS, OTHERWISE WE WOULDN'T HAVE A, THE DISASTER THAT WE ENCOUNTERED, UH, LIMITED REPORTING AND ACCOUNTABILITY, REACTIVE OVERSIGHT AFTER PROBLEMS EMERGED.

AND AS A RESULT, MORE THAN $20 MILLION LOST YEARS OF LITIGATION AND LOST TIME IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

UH, WHAT I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE FOR, FOR, FOR THE COUNTY AND THE TOWN, BASICALLY ALL OF US, IS A NEW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROCESS APPROACH.

UH, WITH DISTRIBUTED DECISION MAKING, WITH WORKING GROUPS AND MULTIPLE STAKEHOLDERS WHERE THERE'S NOT A BOTTLENECK TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, PUBLISHED PROCEDURES AND DOCUMENTED WORKFLOWS THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS.

ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO COME AND WITH AN IDEA WOULD BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE, THE COUNTY, IF THE TOWN GOES DOWN A SIMILAR PATH, THE SAME THING.

I WANNA MAKE LESS DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE TOWN AS TIME GOES ON.

I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE, THE, THE THINGS I'LL ADDRESS LATER.

UM, REGULAR PUBLIC UPDATES AND PERFORMANCE METRICS, PROACTIVE CONTROLS AND VERIFICATION CHECKPOINTS AND PRODUCTION OF PUBLIC RESOURCES AND TRUST.

THE THE DISTINCTION HERE THAT I'M GONNA MAKE IS I HAVE AN ENGINEERING BACKGROUND.

UH, AND PROCESS IS RELIABILITY.

PEOPLE HAVE COMPLICATED THINGS TO DO.

THERE HAS TO BE A PROCESS TO FOLLOW.

POLICY IS IN A SIMILAR VEIN.

UM, SO WITH THAT, THOSE TWO THEMES PRESENT.

WHAT IS THE CURRENT CONTEXT AND MOTIVATION? THE REALITY IS THAT WE'VE ENCOUNTERED $20 MILLION OF LOSSES.

WE'VE HAD, WE'VE PAID MORE THAN $7 MILLION IN ATTORNEY'S FEES TO RECOVER $4 MILLION.

AND IT CONTINUES TO HOBBLE THE COUNTY.

OUR, OUR CAPACITY TO INVEST.

AND I PUT SCARE QUOTES AROUND, INVEST IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, SIMPLY DON'T HAVE THE CASH.

THERE'S BEEN A MINIMUM, I THINK 10 YEAR GAP IN EFFECTIVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AT LEAST FOUR YEARS PRIOR TO THE, TO THE EDA ARREST.

AND SIX YEARS SINCE THE COUNTY AND TOWN HAVE NOW SPLIT INTO INDEPENDENT ECONOMIC AND UNCOORDINATED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT EFFORTS, THE OPPORTUNITY FOR CHANGE THAT

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I SEE A PATH FORWARD FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT UTILIZES THE STRATEGIC GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION OF WARREN COUNTY AT I 81 AND I 66 IN THE SHENANDOAH VALLEY TO ADOPT A SYSTEMATIC APPROACH FOR EVALUATING AND ADVANCING KEY PROJECTS FOCUS ON REVENUE GENERATION VIA PRIVATE CAPITAL INVESTMENT WITH MINIMAL PUBLIC CASH OUTLAY AND TO MAKE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT A VISIBLE PUBLIC PROCESS.

WHY A NEW APPROACH? WHY NEW APPROACH FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT? WELL, THE PRIOR EDA FAILURES ARE STILL CRIPPLING THE EDA BOARD.

ONE OF THE THINGS I WANNA MAKE SPECIAL NOTE TO MENTION IS THAT THERE HAVE BEEN MANY EDA BOARD MEMBERS WHO'VE SERVED ON THE EDA BOARD FOLLOWING THE SCANDAL AND FOLLOWING THE LOSSES.

AND THOSE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN CITIZENS OF OUR COUNTY THAT HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, AND MADE YEOMAN EFFORTS TO TRY TO RECOVER AND GET IT BACK ON TRACK.

WHEN I STARTED AND, AND BECAME INTERESTED IN RUNNING FOR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, MY PRIMARY INTEREST WAS TO HELP REESTABLISH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, GET THE COUNTY BACK ON ITS FEET.

I HAD NO IDEA, UH, THAT WE HAD ANOTHER AT LEAST YEAR OF DEALING WITH THAT.

UH, AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT WE DID IN 2024 WAS, YOU KNOW, MET WITH THE ATTORNEY ENDLESSLY ABOUT LITIGATION DEBTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, NO DISRESPECT TO ANY EDA MEMBER WHO SERVED SINCE, BUT THE PRIOR FAILURES ARE STILL CRIPPLING US.

THE CURRENT EDA IS FUNDING IS HAMSTRUNG BECAUSE THERE'S LITIGATION ONGOING AND WE HAVE GARNISHMENT RISKS.

SO IF WE WERE TO PROPOSE A BUDGET FOR THE EDA AND TO, TO PROCEED IN A, IN A, IN A PROTOTYPICAL FASHION, HISTORICAL FASHION, WITH THAT, EVEN IF WE COULD, THOSE FUNDS WOULD BE SWEPT AWAY.

UH, THE COUNTY CANNOT AFFORD TO WAIT FOR RESOLUTION OF LEGAL ISSUES.

SO WE NEED ECONOMIC PROGRESS AND WE NEED TO INNOVATE.

I'M CALLING THIS DEMOCRATIZING THE PROCESS BY SHIFTING FROM A CENTRALIZED EDA DRIVEN MODEL TO AN OPEN MODEL BASED ON WORKING GROUPS, LEVERAGING EXPERTISE ACROSS BUSINESS, CIVIC, AND PROFESSIONAL SECTORS, CREATING TRANSPARENT, ACCOUNTABLE STRUCTURE, FOCUSED ON SPECIFIC PROJECT OUTCOMES.

WHEN I SAY DEMOCRATIZE PROCESS, I'M, I'M REFERRING TO THE FACT THAT ANYBODY, ANY CITIZEN, ANY, ANY GROUP OF CITIZENS, ANY BUSINESSMAN, ANY LANDOWNER, ANYBODY WHO HAS AN IDEA FOR A PROJECT CAN, AND I'LL GET TO IT IN THE NEXT SLIDE, BUT, BUT ENGAGE A PROCESS AND FOLLOW THAT PROCESS IN A WAY THAT IT'S A PROCESS THAT IS PUBLICLY KNOWN AND ACCEPTED.

AND IF THEY FOLLOW THAT PROCESS, THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT ARE GONNA GET DONE.

AND, UH, SO THE, THE POINT OF NOT HAVING A BOTTLENECK, OR NOT HAVING AN AUTHORITY, OR A, A SINGLE PERSON WHO'S AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, TO ESSENTIALLY WIDEN THAT BOTTLENECK AND LET ANYBODY WHO'S WILLING TO FOLLOW A PUBLIC PROCESS, ENGAGE THAT PROCESS AND CARRY A PROJECT AS FAR AS THEY CAN GET IT A BETTER FOUNDATION BY ESTABLISHING RIGOROUS METHODOLOGY THAT BUILDS CREDIBILITY THROUGH PROCESS.

IF THE PROCESS IS KNOWN BY EVERYBODY, THEN EVERYBODY WILL UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS DONE TO GET TO THE POINT THAT THEY'VE, THEY'VE, UH, ACHIEVED TO IDENTIFY AND DEVELOP INVESTMENT READY OPPORTUNITIES THAT ATTRACT PRIVATE CAPITAL.

ONCE AGAIN, IF THERE'S A PROCESS AND EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT THE PROCESS IS, THEN POTENTIAL INVESTORS ALSO KNOW WHAT THEIR PROCESS WAS, AND THEY'LL KNOW THAT, THAT THE PROJECT THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT HAS MADE IT TO THE END AND IS WORTHY OF CONSIDERATION.

DEVELOPING A REPLICABLE FRAMEWORK CAN BE UTILIZED BY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STAFF, OR WE ENABLED EDA ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INFORMATION THAT EVERYBODY HAS ACCESS TO IN A PROCESS THAT EVERYBODY CAN FOLLOW, NOT SOMETHING THAT ONLY A BOARD UNDERSTANDS, OR ONLY A BOARD HAS APPROVED, OR ONLY AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

UH, DIRECTOR UNDERSTANDS HOW TO DO.

BENEFITS OF THIS APPROACH INVOLVE ADVANCING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT EFFORTS RIGHT NOW, DESPITE THE CONSTRAINTS THAT WE'RE FACED WITH, OFFERING VISIBILITY INTO THE PROCESS TO GAIN BROAD BASED COMMUNITY SUPPORT AND CREATING MOMENTUM THAT CAN SURVIVE POLITICAL TRANSITIONS.

ONCE AGAIN, IT'S THE SAME CONCEPT WITH POLICY, BUT WITH PROCESS.

IF, IF THERE'S A PROCESS THAT IS WELL UNDERSTOOD, THEN IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO IS ELECTED, THE PROCESS IS, IS GOING TO BE THERE.

IT'S ONLY FOR THE ELECTED PEOPLE TO ENSURE THAT THAT PROCESS IS FOLLOWED.

ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROCESS IS BASICALLY A FOUR PHASE PROCESS, A STRATEGIC INTRODUCTION AND ASSESSMENT.

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KEY ACTIVITIES INVOLVE CONCEPT INTRODUCTION, A FEASIBILITY FRAMEWORK, AND BASELINE DATA COLLECTION OUTCOMES INVOLVE, ENTAIL EVALUATION CRITERIA AND INITIAL STAKEHOLDER ALIGNMENT.

SO ONCE AGAIN, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO, UH, NECESSITY OF BEING APPOINTED TO A BOARD TO HAVE AN IDEA TO BRING FORTH A PROJECT, BUT THERE'S A PROCESS.

SO IF THEY ENGAGE A, A PHASE ONE PROCESS, NOTICE THAT EVERY GAP HAS A GARBAGE CAN.

AND THE POINT IS THAT THERE'S AN OFF RAMP.

SO WHEN YOU FOLLOWING A PROCESS, YOU'RE, YOU BASICALLY ARE SUBMITTING YOURSELF TO A REALITY THAT EVERYBODY CAN SEE.

AND IF THAT PROCESS, IF THAT, IF THAT PROJECT IS NOT GONNA MAKE IT THROUGH THAT PROCESS, IT WILL FIND ITS WAY INTO, TO THE OFF RAMP.

SECOND PHASE WORKING GROUP, WORKING GROUP DEVELOPMENT.

THE IDEA OF A WORKING GROUP IS THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE, ARE DRAWN TO A PARTICULAR INITIATIVE OR PART OF A PROJECT CAN JOIN A WORKING GROUP.

AND, AND IT IS AN IMPORTANT POINT TOO, AS WELL.

THERE COULD BE A PROJECT WHERE MULTIPLE WORKING GROUPS ARE PURSUING THEIR OWN PATHS AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE, MAYBE THEY'RE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT FROM EACH OTHER.

MAYBE THEY'RE A LOT DIFFERENT FROM EACH OTHER, BUT THEY BOTH HAVE THE SAME END GOAL.

SO THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING, IT'S A DEMOCRATIC PROCESS.

NOBODY IS, WOULD SAY, YOU CAN'T WORK ON THIS PROJECT 'CAUSE WE'RE WORKING ON THIS PROJECT.

PEOPLE THAT HAVE INTERESTS ARE FREE TO WORK ON THEIR PROJECTS.

ONCE AGAIN, THE PROCESS IS PUBLIC AND ALL THE CHECK MARKS ARE IN THE PROCESS WOULD BE UNDERSTOOD.

I ALSO SAY THAT, WELL, I'LL GO THROUGH IT FIRST.

UM, I HAVE A FEW COMMENTS ON THIS.

FIRST OF ALL, I DO WANNA SAY THIS IS A, IT'S A TEMPLATE FOR A PROCESS THAT SETS A BASIC STRUCTURE AND EXPECTATIONS FOR ANY PROPOSED PROJECT.

IT'S NOT A SPECIFICATION, FOR EXAMPLE, IT DOESN'T CONTAIN DETAILED FINANCIAL CALCULATIONS.

THE, THE, THE, THE, THE END RESULT OF ANY PROJECT THAT GOES THROUGH AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROCESS COULD BE HIGH QUALITY, OR IT COULD BE LOW QUALITY JUST LIKE ANY OTHER ENDEAVOR.

BUT BY ESTABLISHING A, A, A, A BASIC STRUCTURE THAT EVERY, EVERY PROPOSAL IS EXPECTED TO GO THROUGH, THEN THERE, THERE WILL BE AN EVALUATION THAT'S POSSIBLE BASED ON THAT QUALITY THIRD PHASE.

SO, SO SECOND PHASE IMPORTANTLY INVOLVES MARKET VALIDATION.

SO IF, IF THERE'S ANY, ANY PUBLIC WAY, IF THERE'S NO ABILITY TO, TO CREATE A MARKET VALIDATION, THEN THERE'S NOT REALLY A REASON FOR THE PROJECT TO GO FORWARD.

SO MARKET VALIDATION PRECEDES ALL DISCUSSIONS ABOUT FINANCING AND ECONOMIC ANALYSIS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, RIGHT? SO, UM, YOU HAVE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT STARTING THEN YOU HAVE ESSENTIALLY A, A BOARD SUPERVISOR, OR IN THE CASE OF A TOWN EMBRACING THIS PROCESS, A TOWN, A, A, A POLITICAL SPONSOR TO WHERE IT STARTS TO BECOME MORE PUBLIC.

AND THE EXPECTATIONS OF, OF MEETING ALL OF THESE PROCESS REQUIREMENTS BECOMES KNOWN.

UM, IN THE THIRD PHASE, YOU START DOING ECONOMIC ANALYSIS AND IMPLEMENTATION PLANNING.

SO MARKET ANALYSIS HAS BEEN COMPLETED.

UNDERSTAND THAT THE MARKET IS THERE FOR IT, IT'S BEEN VALIDATED.

THEN YOU CAN START TALKING ABOUT ECONOMICS AND FINANCE, UH, PUBLIC PART, PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP FRAMEWORKS CAN BE DEVELOPED, AND THE OUTCOMES OF THESE ARE VALIDATED ECONOMIC BENEFITS AND RISK MANAGEMENT STRATEGIES.

SO IF IT MAKES IT THROUGH THIS AND DOESN'T GO INTO THE OFF RAMP, INTO THAT GARBAGE, CAN YOU GET TO A, A FINAL PHASE? YOU START LOOKING AT INVESTMENT PACKAGES AND TARGETED INVESTOR OUTREACH AND SHOWCASE EVENTS WITH OUTCOMES BEING PROFESSIONAL INVESTMENT PACKAGES, INVESTOR ENGAGEMENT AND AND TRANSITION TO IMPLEMENTATION.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANNA POINT OUT IS THAT WITH PROCESS OUTSIDE INVESTORS WHO SEE THAT A PROJECT WENT THROUGH AN EXTENSIVE FRAMEWORK OF EXTENSIVE PROCESS, THEY CAN BE LOOKING AT A PROJECT THAT THAT, THAT THEY KNOW WENT THROUGH A PUBLIC PROCESS THAT HAD THAT GARNERED PUBLIC SUPPORT AND IS READY TO GO, AND THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO CONTEMPLATE THREE YEARS, FOUR YEARS, FIVE YEARS OF SLOGGING THROUGH THE, THE, THE, THE APPARATUS IN ANY PARTICULAR DESTINATION DOING ALL THAT WORK.

SO IT'S A, ESSENTIALLY TO USE A GOLF TERM, TEEING IT UP FOR INVESTORS.

SO THEY'RE, THEY SEE PROJECTS THAT ARE READY TO GO.

KEY SIX, SIX FACTORS, CRITICAL ELEMENTS FOR THE, FOR THE A DP ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, PROJECT VIABILITY.

FIRST OF ALL, THE PROCESS IS KNOWN TO ALL.

THERE'S NO BOTTLENECK AUTHORITY THAT'S NEEDED TO START.

BAD IDEAS MAY BE PUT IN THE HOPPER, BUT THEY'LL MAKE A QUICK OFF RAMP.

STRUCTURED WORKING GROUPS START WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE ORGANIZED, PEOPLE IN ORGANIZATION NEED IT.

PEOPLE WHO ARE ATTRACTED TO QUALITY PROJECTS HAVE CONTRIBUTIONS TO MAKE.

THEY MAY BE A MARKETING PERSON AND MAY UNDERSTAND HOW TO DO, HOW TO DO POLLING AND SURVEYS, MAYBE FINANCIAL ANALYST.

THEY MAY UNDERSTAND ECONOMICS, THEY MAY HAVE BANKING RELATIONSHIPS.

DIFFERENT

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PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT SKILLS THEY CAN BRING TO THIS PROCESS.

UH, A MARKET BRACED APPROACH ENSURES THAT MARKET VALIDATION HAPPENS EARLY IN THE PROCESS.

AGAIN, WITH MANY THINGS.

IF, IF, IF WE CAN'T MA ASCERTAIN THAT THERE'S A MARKET, THEN THERE'S NO REASON TO PURSUE THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN INTERESTING THING.

AND IF YOU'RE DOING THIS IN PUBLIC WITH WORKING GROUPS AND YOU'RE EXPOSING THIS INFORMATION, THEN YOU DON'T GET, UH, UH, CONFIRMATION BIAS IN SMALL GROUPS, UH, THAT ARE PARTICULARLY ARE PUSHING FOR PROJECTS.

UH, NO POLITICAL PRESSURE, UH, CAN, CAN FORCE THINGS TO HAPPEN AFTER MARKET VALIDATION.

THERE'S A CREDIBLE ECONOMIC ANALYSIS THAT NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE, MOVING TO EVALUATING FINANCIALS AFTER MARKET VALIDATION NOT BEFORE, AND A PUBLIC ASSET EVALUATION WHEN THERE'S A CLEAR EVALUATION OF THE ROLE OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT ASSETS.

IF LOCAL GOVERNMENT ASSETS ARE INVOLVED, THEN THEY NEED TO BE CLEARLY DEFINED BY THE, THE JURISDICTION, UH, THE COUNTY.

IN OUR CASE.

IF THE TOWN EMBRACES US, THEN, THEN THEY'RE LOCAL ASSETS.

BUT IT'S, IT HAS TO BE CLEAR WHAT THE, WHAT THE CONTRIBUTIONS ARE.

AND THEN FINALLY, POLITICAL AND PUBLIC SUPPORT, CULMINATING WITH THE NECESSARY SUPPORT THAT FOLLOWS FROM A STRUCTURED PUBLIC PROCESS.

INVESTORS THAT REVIEW A PACKAGE COMING OUT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROCESS CAN HAVE A HIGH CONFIDENCE.

THEY'RE LOOKING AT SHOVEL READY PROJECTS, NOT TWO OR THREE YEARS OF, OF SLOGGING THROUGH.

I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS SOME OF WARREN COUNTY'S DIFFERENTIATED ADVANTAGES.

OUR MOST VALUABLE DIFFERENTIATED ASSETS ARE THE RURAL CHARACTER IN NATURAL BETA THAT WE ALL LOVE AND APPRECIATE, AND MANY OF US MOVED HERE FOR.

WE HAVE A STRATEGIC POSITION AS THE GATEWAY TO THE SHENANDOAH VALLEY IN THE BLUE RIDGE.

WE HAVE A CLEAR DIFFERENTIATION FROM THE DC SUBURBAN SPRAWL, SMALL TOWN CHARM, NATURAL LANDSCAPES, OPEN SPACES, RURAL HERITAGE AND WATER RESOURCES THAT REQUIRE PROTECTION.

THE MARKET POSITION, WARREN COUNTY, YOU KNOW, PROVIDES A RESPITE, RECREATION, AUTHENTIC EXPERIENCES UNAVAILABLE IN ANY URBAN AREA AND SUBURBAN AREA.

WE ATTRACT VISITORS SEEKING ESCAPE FROM DENSELY DEVELOPED AREAS.

WE, UH, HAVE APPEALS TO EVENTS.

WE'RE APPEALING TO EVENTS AND GATHERINGS, SEEKING DISTINCTIVE, MEMORABLE SETTINGS AND IDEAL FOR ACTIVITIES THAT BENEFIT FROM NATURAL SETTINGS IN OPEN SPACES.

WE HAVE A SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT.

IM IMPERATIVE PRIORITIZING PROJECTS THAT ENHANCE RATHER THAN COMPROMISE OUR DIFFERENTIATION, FOCUSING ON VISITOR EXPERIENCES THAT SHOWCASE OUR NATURAL ADVANTAGES AND PROTECTING CRITICAL RESOURCES, ESPECIALLY WATER FOR LONG-TERM SUSTAINABILITY.

AND WE NEED TO RESIST DEVELOPMENT THAT REPLICATES URBAN SUBURBAN MODELS TO MAINTAIN OUR DIFFERENTIATION.

SO THIS DEVELOPMENT VISION INVOLVES CREATING ECONOMIC VALUE BY PRESERVING WHAT MAKES US DIFFERENT.

WE NEED TO POSITION WARREN COUNTY AS A PREFERRED DESTINATION GATEWAY TO AUTHENTIC RURAL AND SMALL TOWN EXPERIENCES, AND ESTABLISH SUSTAINABLE TOURISM INFRASTRUCTURE THAT SUPPORTS RATHER THAN STRAINS LOCAL RESOURCES AND GENERATES REVENUE STREAMS THAT DON'T REQUIRE COMPROMISING OUR CENTRAL CHARACTER.

CREDIT TO SCOTT MEYER, WHO HAS PROVIDED ME WITH SOME INFORMATION.

TOURISM IS POTENTIALLY A GUSHER OF REVENUE FOR THE COUNTY.

I THINK THAT AT LEAST ON THIS BOARD, AND CERTAINLY IN IN A WIDE, UH, UNDERSTANDING IN THE COUNTY THAT TOURISM IS A SIGNIFICANT FACTOR HERE, BUT IT'S HARDLY SCRATCHING THE SURFACE.

THIS SLIDE COMPARES FEATURES OF SEDONA, ARIZONA WITH FRONT ROYAL, AND LOOK AT THAT.

YOU HAVE NATURAL ATTRACTIONS.

SEDONA HAS NATURAL ATTRACTIONS.

WE HAVE OUTDOOR RECREATION.

SEDONA HAS OUTDOOR RECREATION, ACCOMMODATIONS, DOWNTOWN EXPERIENCE, ARTS, CULTURAL HISTORY.

LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THE TOWN.

LOOK AT THE DISTANCE FROM THE METRO AREA.

WE ARE 45 MINUTES FROM THE METRO AREA, FIVE MINUTES FROM A MAJOR INTERSTATE.

TOURISM REVENUE IN 2023 IS ABOUT $84 MILLION IN SEDONA.

IT'S $2 BILLION.

SO THERE IS A HUGE AMOUNT OF ROOM TO GROW.

MY, MY BROTHER USED TO LIVE IN SEDONA.

I WENT AND VISITED HIM AND WE WENT TO THE GRAND CANYON AS WELL.

BUT THAT'S WHAT A PERFECT EXAMPLE.

MM-HMM.

I, I'VE THOUGHT OF OTHER PLACES LIKE MAYBE ASHEVILLE BEFORE THE, BEFORE THE HURRICANE AND SOME OTHER PLACES, BUT THAT, THAT REALLY IS, IS A LOT OF POTENTIAL RIGHT THERE, RIGHT? YEAH.

AND YOU MENTIONED ABOUT, UH, 66 AND I'VE, I'VE TOLD PEOPLE THAT ONCE YOU HIT, UH, EXIT 40, IT'S LIKE YOU, YOU GO INTO A JUST DIFFERENT AREA.

FIRST IS MARKETING, MARKETING, MARKETING,

BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S NO MORE HUSTLE AND BUSTLE.

IT'S A, IT, IT'S A, IT'S A VERY, YOU KNOW, QUIET, SLOW PACED SETTING.

RIGHT? RIGHT.

WELL TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE CONTINUOUS ACTIVITIES OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

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21ST CENTURY MARKETING, SOCIAL MEDIA MARKETING, INTEGRATING TRADITIONAL PRINT, WEB, AND SOCIAL MEDIA HAS THE POTENTIAL TO LEVERAGE TECHNOLOGY THAT IS SO CRITICAL, INTEGRATING OLD AND NEW MARKETING.

DIGITAL MARKETING OFFERS EXPONENTIAL REACH BASED ON MINIMAL DATA COLLECTION AND CORRELATION.

THE, THE, THE ABILITY TO PROFILE AND SET UP CRITERIA IN SOCIAL MEDIA BASED ON ONE PERSON'S PROFILE, LETS YOU REC UH, TARGET MARKETING THAT SIMILAR PROFILES TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN HERE AND PROVIDED FEEDBACK GREATLY LEVERAGES TO AN EXPONENTIAL DEGREE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT CAN BE REACHED.

SO ANYTHING THAT'S BEING DONE IN MARKETING ABSOLUTELY NEEDS TO BE THE LEADING EDGE OF DIGITAL MARKETING.

PROJECT DEVELOPMENT IS WHAT I JUST WENT OVER IN THAT PROCESS.

THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

FOLLOW THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, ADD NEW PROJECTS TO THE MARKETING PORTFOLIO, AND THEN KEEP MARKETING, MARKETING, MARKETING.

WHAT I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT NOW, ARE I, I'LL, I'LL CALL THEM, I WON'T, I REALLY DON'T WANT TO CALL THEM PROPOSED PROJECTS, BUT I WANT TO, I I KIND OF DO, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE CONCEPTS THAT I WANT TO PROVIDE SOMETHING CONCRETE INTO THIS PRESENTATION THAT I SEE ON THE HORIZON AS, AS POTENTIAL.

THESE CRITERIA FOR WHAT I CALL KICKSTART PROJECTS ARE THAT THEY LEVERAGE PUBLICLY OWNED ASSETS WHERE IT'S POSSIBLE TO COMBINE PRIVATE CAPITAL INVESTMENT WITH PUBLIC ASSETS, AND SECONDLY, THAT PROVIDE EFFORTS ON ATTAINABLE HIGH IMPACT INITIATIVES.

FOUR KICKSTART CANDIDATE PROJECTS I WANT TO INTRODUCE ARE WARREN COUNTY HOMESTEADING CENTER, AN ICE RINK, A MULTI-SPORT, MULTI-SEASON SPORTS CENTER, AND A DESTINATION CONFERENCE CENTER HOMESTEADING CULTIVATING ECONOMIC GROWTH.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY IN THIS COUNTY TO LEVERAGE WHAT IS ALREADY VERY POPULAR.

THE HOMESTEADING CONFERENCE THAT, THAT TAKES PLACE AT THE WARREN COUNTY.

FAIRGROUND SELLS OUT IN A MATTER OF A WEEK OR TWO, VERY WELL ATTENDED, VERY POPULAR, AND, YOU KNOW, THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD ON EXISTING INTEREST WHERE THERE'S AN ANNUAL CONFERENCE HERE THAT SELLS OUT OFFER PATHS FOR STUDENTS WHO ARE INVOLVED IN AGRICULTURE IN THIS COUNTY, AND THE FFA, THE WARREN COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOL'S AGRICULTURAL PROGRAM.

UH, AND TAPPING INTO GROWING AGRITOURISM MARKET, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES IT'S HARD TO FIND DATA ON A, ON A VERY LOCAL LEVEL, BUT WORLDWIDE AGRITOURISM IS A $73 BILLION BUSINESS GROWING QUITE FAST.

THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, MEETING ONE OF THOSE CRITERIA IN TERMS OF A COUNTY ASSET COUNTY HAS VACANT LAND AT MCKAY SPRINGS.

THERE'S A LOT OF LAND THERE THAT'S JOINTLY OWNED, BUT THERE IS SOME, I THINK A COUPLE ACRES THAT'S OWNED, UH, BY THE COUNTY.

AND THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO PLANT SOMETHING AND CULTIVATE IT TO GROW THERE.

SO THE IDEA, THE VISION I HAVE AND WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE FOR CONSIDERATIONS TO CREATE A HOMESTEADING EDUCATION CENTER THAT EVOLVES INTO A CO COOPERATIVE MARKET AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, TO POSITION WARREN COUNTY AS A PREMIER DESTINATION FOR HOMESTEADING EDUCATION AND TO SUPPORT LOCAL PRACTITIONERS ATTRACTING VISITORS AND NEW RESIDENTS.

UH, QUITE RECENTLY, A HOMESTEADING ORGANIZATION HAS BEEN FOUNDED IN WARREN COUNTY, UH, BY TWO, TWO, UH, LADIES WHO, UM, WERE PARTICIPATING IN HOMESTEADING ORGANIZATIONS IN FREDERICK COUNTY, AND THEY'VE RECENTLY FOUNDED WARREN IN WARREN COUNTY.

AND, UH, I'M, I THINK THERE'S A, A GREAT DEAL OF BENEFIT TO HELPING THAT EFFORT.

THE ECONOMIC BENEFITS OF, OF HOMESTEADING TOURISM REVENUE FROM VISITORS SEEKING AUTHENTIC RURAL EXPERIENCES IS, IS ASSURED ALMOST, UM, THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS FROM AGRICULTURAL HERITAGE, HERITAGE PRESERVATION, ENHANCED COUNTY IDENTITY AND BRAND AND INTERGENERATIONAL KNOWLEDGE TRANSFER.

ONCE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR OUR, WE LIVE IN AN AGRICULTURAL COUNTY WITH AN AGRICULTURAL HERITAGE, AND WE HAVE STUDENTS THAT ARE VERY INTERESTED IN IT.

THIS TYPE OF INDUSTRY, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT STARTS TO GROW AND DRAW PEOPLE IN, OFFERS THOSE, THOSE STUDENTS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY GET INTO A, A CAREER, UH, WITH ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, AFTER CONSIDERATION, BUT I'M PUTTING FORTH, UM, UH, IDEAS TO ALLOCATE THE COUNTY LAND FOR A HOMESTEAD CENTER, UH, FORMED WORKING GROUP WITH DIVERSE STAKEHOLDERS, PROVE SOME, SOME MINOR FUNDING, UH, TO ESTABLISH A LEARNING CENTER, A PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO GATHER AND TO INTEGRATE.

START INTEGRATING THE IDEA WITH THE TOURISM MARKET.

A PHASED APPROACH WOULD INVOLVE LAUNCHING AN EDUCATION CENTER, UH, A BASIC INFRASTRUCTURE, A PAVILION, DEMONSTRATION AREAS, COMMUNITY GARDENS, ALLOWING THEM TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HOST PROGRAMMING WORKSHOPS, UH, AND MAYBE AN INITIAL, AN INITIAL INVESTMENT IN MAYBE THE 15 TO $25,000 RANGE.

YOU KNOW,

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I, I, IN DISCUSSING THIS, THIS NEW GROUP WITH THESE FOUNDERS OF THE WARREN COUNTY HOMESTEAD GROUP, THEY WERE TELLING ME HOW IT, HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO, FOR THEM TO FIND VENUES TO BE ABLE TO DO EDUCATIONAL EVENTS.

THERE ARE TIMES WHERE THEY HAVE TO SPEND FIVE OR SIX OR $700, UH, TO, TO JUST HAVE A PLACE TO MEET AND, AND DISCUSS.

A SECOND PHASE WOULD INVOLVE SOME GROWTH AND EXPANSION, PERHAPS SOME, SOME PERMANENT FACILITIES AND EXPANDED PROGRAMMING, MAYBE LOOKING FOR REGIONAL PARTNERSHIPS AND INCREASED TOURISM MARKETING TO DRAW PEOPLE INTO IT.

AND THEN LOOKING AT GRANTS AND PARTNERSHIPS, MAYBE GETTING INTO THE 150, A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS RANGE TO, TO BUILD SOME ADDITIONAL STRUCTURE IN A LONGER TERM.

A COOPERATIVE MARKET IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE VERY GOOD FOR ALL PEOPLE INVOLVED, NOT ONLY IN IN HOMESTEADING, BUT, BUT IN FARMING IN WARREN COUNTY, THERE ARE COOPERATIVE MARKETS IN, IN NEARBY COUNTIES.

THERE'S A GREAT DEAL OF INTEREST IN FREDERICK COUNTY, UH, TO PUTTING ONE TOGETHER.

THIS TAKES TIME.

IT TAKES, IT TAKES, UH, COMMITMENT BY THE PEOPLE THAT ARE INVOLVED.

IT'S A COMMUNITY EFFORT.

BUT THE, ONE OF THE THINGS THE COUNTY CAN DO IS FACILITATE IT, UH, BECOMES A PLACE WHERE PRODUCER OWNED MARKET, UH, PRODUCER OWNED FARM FARMERS CAN, CAN PRODUCE THEIR OWN FOOD AND MARKET IT, UH, PROCESSING FACILITIES FOR A VALUE AGGREGATE CREATION, AND IT BECOMES A SELF-SUSTAINING ECONOMIC ENGINE EVENTUALLY.

ANOTHER CONCEPT IDEA THAT I, THAT I MANY, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE, HAVE SHARED WITH ME IS THE IDEA OF AN ICE RINK.

WARREN COUNTY, OR I SHOULD SAY THE WINTER, THE TOWN OF FRONT ROW CAN GET VERY SLOW IN THE WINTER.

UH, MANY SHOPS HAVE BEEN TOLD DON'T EVEN STAY OPEN ALL WINTER.

SO THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET A WINTER BOOST FOR THE, FOR THE SEASON.

UH, THERE'S MULTI-USE POTENTIAL IN THE SUMMERTIME, CAN BE USED FOR OTHER THINGS, UH, CONCERTS, OTHER EVENTS.

UH, ICE RINKS CAN SUBSTANTIALLY INCREASE EXISTING REVENUE STREAMS IF PEOPLE ARE BROUGHT IN FROM THE SUBURBS AGAIN, AND THE CITY TO EXPERIENCE THAT, THAT SMALL TOWN CHARM, ICE, ICE SKATING RINK, UM, THEY CAN SERVE AS A UNIQUE RECREATIONAL EXPERIENCE FOR LOCAL COMMUNITIES.

THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE, AS WELL AS THE PEOPLE WHO COME HERE.

K THREE, UH, I'M, I'M CALLING THESE, UH, KICKSTARTERS.

SO K THREE, A MULTI-SPORT INDOOR OUTDOOR FACILITY.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A, A CONCEPT ON THE BOOKS FOR THE ROCKLAND SPORTS, OR THE ROCKLAND COMPLEX ROCKLAND PARK.

UH, WE'VE BEEN IN THESE DISCUSSIONS.

WE REALIZED WE HAVE A $2 MILLION, UH, MATCHING GRANT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE $2 MILLION.

SO WE'VE MANAGED TO ALLOCATE A $500,000 BUDGET TO GET THINGS STARTED OUT THERE.

THE, UH, THE OPPORTUNITY TO EVALUATE THE MARKET, YOU KNOW, GLOBAL YOUTH SPORTS IS $38 BILLION, BE $114 BILLION BY 2032.

YOUTH SPORTS.

YOUTH SPORTS TOURISM IS, IS HUGE.

AND WE HAVE, WE HAVE A VERY ACTIVE YOUTH SPORTS COMMUNITY IN THIS TOWN, BUT THEY HAVE TO GO ELSEWHERE FOR THEIR TOURNAMENTS.

WE, WE DON'T, WE HAVE VERY LITTLE CAPABILITY AND CAPACITY FOR THAT TYPE OF THING.

UH, OUR STRATEGIC ADVANTAGE, AGAIN, AS, AS EVERYWHERE ELSE IS OUR UNDER, UH, BEING AT THE INTERSECTION OF I 81 AND I 66.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE IN THAT NORTHERN CORRIDOR NEAR ROCKLAND SPORTS, NEAR ROCKLAND PARK, WE HAVE TWO HOTELS, TWO MORE HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED.

I THINK I COUNTED 18 RESTAURANTS THERE, A AND, UH, I BELIEVE THERE ARE A COUPLE MORE, UM, COMING.

SO THINK EVERYTHING THAT'S NEEDED THERE TO MAKE THAT, TO HELP THAT THRIVE IS, IS VIRTUALLY ALREADY THERE.

UH, THERE IS A FEDERAL MATCHING GRANT.

I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW.

AND IT WOULD NEED TO BE INVESTIGATED WHETHER PRIVATE CAPITAL CAN, CAN PLAY A PART IN, IN SECURING THAT GRANT.

AND WE HAVE A 70 ACRE SITE WITH COMPREHENSIVE, UM, WHERE WE COULD PUT A COMPREHENSIVE INDOOR FACILITY.

NOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT I SAID AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS WAS PROJECTS THAT CAN, CAN ATTRACT PRIVATE CAPITAL.

THIS IS A, IN A SITUATION WHEN I'M, WHEN I'M DESCRIBING THESE PROJECTS, EXCEPT FOR THE, FOR THE ICE RINK, WHERE THE COUNTY HAS ASSETS, WE HAVE LAND.

AND IF WE CAN PUT, WE ESTABLISH MARKET VALIDATION AND DO THE ECONOMIC ANALYSIS TO, TO TRY TO TRACK THE INVESTORS, THEN THAT IS, THAT IS WHAT WE SHOULD DO.

WE SHOULD SEE IF THE CAP PRIVATE CAPITAL CAN SUPPORT IT.

WHAT WE WANT IS FOR THE PEOPLE TO COME AND WE WANT THEM TO STAY AND WE WANT THEM TO EAT.

UH, WE DON'T, WE, WE WILL BE IN, IN A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP OR SOMETHING THAT TAKES THIS MUCH CAPITAL.

UH, THERE WILL BE SOMETHING FOR EVERYBODY.

LAST, AND, AND I THINK MOST SIGNIFICANT, UH, IDEA FOR A, UH, KICKSTARTER IS A WARREN COUNTY DESTINATION CONFERENCE CENTER.

YOU KNOW THAT PEOPLE WHO GO TO CONFERENCES AND MEETINGS AS PART OF THEIR WORK, THEY OFTEN WANT TO GO SOMEWHERE WHERE THERE'S SOMETHING FOR THEM TO DO AND BE INTERESTED IN AFTER THEIR DAILY MEETINGS.

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GROWING, THERE'S A GROWING PREFERENCE FOR DESTINATION CONFERENCE EXPERIENCE OUTSIDE URBAN CENTERS.

UH, THE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WANT SOMETHING TO DO THAT IS NOT THEIR BUSINESS.

SO THEY OFTEN HAVE NO CHOICE ABOUT GOING TO THESE CONFERENCES, BUT THEY WANNA RELAX, FIND SOMETHING INTERESTING TO, TO, TO DISCOVER AFTERWARD.

UM, THE COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE, ONCE AGAIN, WE ARE, DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU ARE, ONE TO TWO HOURS FROM THE DC METRO AREA.

WE HAVE A COMPLETE ECOSYSTEM OF HOTELS, DINING OPTIONS, RECREATIONAL AMENITIES ALREADY IN PLACE.

WE HAVE A RURAL CHARACTER THAT IS DISTINCTIVE AND A, AS A DISTINCTIVE ALTERNATIVE TO THE URBAN AND SUBURBAN SPRAWL TO THE COUNTIES EAST OF US.

FOUR GOLF COURSES WITHIN 10 MINUTES.

THERE ARE MANY FEATURES ASSOCIATED WITH WHERE WE ARE THAT WOULD MAKE US A GREAT PLACE FOR A DESTINATION CONFERENCE CENTER.

WE LOOK AT TARGET MARKET SEGMENTS FOR THIS.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE CORPORATE RETREATS THAT, THAT OFTEN, YOU KNOW, FOR THE TYPE OF OF FACILITY WHERE WE WOULD BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE 50 TO A HUNDRED ATTENDEES, ASSOCIATION LEADERSHIP MEETINGS AND EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS OF ONE TO 300 ATTENDEES, SPECIALIZED TRAINING AND PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND WELLNESS AND SPECIAL INTEREST CONFERENCES.

WE HAVE YEAR ROUND APPEAL.

WE DON'T HAVE HARD WINNERS.

WE ARE A CONVENING ESCAPE FOR DC BASED ORGANIZATIONS WITHOUT EXCESSIVE TRAVEL TIME.

THEY DON'T NEED TO FLY THEIR EMPLOYEES ON A PLANE SOMEWHERE.

THEY DON'T NEED TO DRIVE FIVE HOURS TO GET SOMEWHERE INTO A REMOTE LOCATION.

YET WHEN THEY GET HERE, THEY HAVE AN EXPERIENCE THAT IS, YOU KNOW, I MYSELF LIVE ONLY THREE MILES OFF OF 5 22, BUT WHEN MY FAMILY COMES TO VISIT ME, THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE, THEY'RE WAY OUT IN THE COUNTRY.

SO, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR DESTINATION IS VERY ATTRACTIVE AND WOULD BE ATTRACTIVE FOR THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES.

ALRIGHT, SO TO WRAP IT UP, YOU KNOW, BRINGING YESTERDAY'S CHALLENGES TO TOMORROW'S OPPORTUNITIES FRAMEWORK FOR ACTION.

WARREN COUNTY AND THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL HAVE BEEN THROUGH TOUGH TIMES.

WE HAVE, WE NEED SOME SMART ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AND WE NEED TO PRESERVE OUR QUALITY OF LIFE AND HOLD PERSONAL TAXES AT BAY.

THAT IS THE KIND OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WE NEED.

AND THAT IS THE KIND OF DEVELOPMENT THAT IS THE MOST SHORT TO MEDIUM TERM THAT WE CAN PURSUE.

SO I BELIEVE THE WAY FORWARD IS TO HOLD FAST TO OUR BEST ASSETS THAT DIFFERENTIATE US AND NEVER COMPROMISE THOSE.

ONCE THOSE ASSETS ARE GONE, ONCE THOSE ASSETS ARE NATURAL, BEAUTY ARE, ARE ASSETS ARE COMPROMISED, THEY'RE NEVER GONNA COME BACK.

ADOPTING A PROCESS CENTRIC ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SO THAT PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND THE RESULTS ARE RELIABLE.

WHOEVER'S THE PROJECT, WHOEVER BRINGS THE PROJECT WILL GO THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS AND THAT WILL MAKE IT MORE RELIABLE FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO LOOK AT IT FOR INVESTMENT OPPORTUNITIES.

I THINK THAT THAT THIRD BULLET THERE ON THE, ON THE LAST ONE, THE, THE WAY FORWARD, HOLDING FAST TO OUR BEST ASSETS THAT DIFFERENTIATE US.

THAT'S A, THAT IS A GOOD ARGUMENT AGAINST DATA PROCESSING CENTERS.

GOOD.

YEAH, IT IS.

UH, AND I, YOU KNOW, I, I SPECIFICALLY DID NOT ADDRESS DATA CENTERS AS A PARTICULAR ITEM IN THIS PRESENTATION BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT THE PROCESS WHICH IS IDENTIFIED THAT EVERYONE HAS TO GO THROUGH, WHICH IS PUBLIC, IS, IS GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THAT.

UH, THERE ARE ARE MANY THINGS I WOULD SAY AND CAN SAY ABOUT THIS WHOLE TOPIC OF, OF DATA CENTERS, AND IT'S A, IT'S A TIME FOR, IT'S A, IT'S A, A TOPIC FOR ANOTHER PRESENTATION, BUT I DID VERY SPECIFICALLY SPRINKLE THIS PRESENTATION WITH THE NUMBER ONE THEME TO NOT COMPROMISE WHAT DIFFERENTIATES SWORN COUNTY.

AND, YOU KNOW, GETTING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROCESS STARTED WITH ACHIEVABLE CANDIDATES IS, IS A KEY THING TOO.

IT'S TIME TO START PUTTING THINGS IN THE HOPPER.

AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT I, I'VE RECOGNIZED AS, AS A SMALL BUSINESSMAN OVER TIME, OVER THE LAST 30 PLUS YEARS IS THAT NOT EVERY PROJECT THAT I START ENDS UP BEING A SUCCESSFUL PROJECT.

SO THAT, SO WE NEED TO JUST, JUST BREAK THE DAM AND GET SOME THINGS IN THE HOPPER AND LET THEM GO THROUGH A PROCESS, LET THE SUCCESSFUL ONES PREVAIL, GET THE INVESTMENT, GET THE PRIVATE CAPITAL INVESTMENT COMMUNITY HERE, AND, AND DEVELOP WHAT HELPS THE COUNTY.

FRANKLY, IF, IF THE THEME THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN EVIDENT IN THIS WHOLE PRESENTATION IS THAT TOURISM ACTUALLY IS THE GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY.

IT WOULD BE REALLY WONDERFUL TO HAVE A MANUFACTURING PLANT COME HERE AND MAKE BMWS, BUT THAT IS NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

SO, UH, AT LEAST NOT IN INSIDE OF A, OF A FIVE YEAR TIMEFRAME.

SO WHAT I'M RECOMMENDING IN, IN THIS, IN THE ARC OF THIS WHOLE PRESENTATION IS LET'S GET GOING.

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THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

CAN YOU TAKE A COUPLE QUESTIONS? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

SO, UM, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF ENTREPRENEURS HERE AND SOME OF THEM ARE, I THINK MORE SUCCESSFUL THAN OTHERS.

YOU KNOW, YOU SEE BUSINESSES COME AND GO ON MAIN STREET, BUT LIKE SOME PEOPLE, AND I'LL JUST, I'LL, I'LL NAME SOMEONE BECAUSE SHE'S EXCELLENT AT WHAT SHE DOES AT SHELLY COOK.

YOU'VE GOT LIKE ROTO AND THE TRELLIS AND POPPY'S PLACE AND, UH, THE HOTELS SHE RENOVATED OVER BY BP GAS STATION.

SO FOR SOMEONE LIKE HER, UM, THIS PROCESS WOULDN'T ENCUMBER THEM, RIGHT? LIKE THEY WOULD NO, THEY JUST KEEP DOING THEIR USUAL MO RIGHT.

WHICH IS IN FACT, SHE'S PROBABLY ALREADY DOING THAT PROCESS BECAUSE OF ALL THE SUCCESSFUL PROJECTS.

WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WHAT THIS IN INVOLVES IS A, A TEMPLATE THAT FACILITATES OTHER PEOPLE TO RECOGNIZE THOSE STEPS OKAY.

AND RECOGNIZE WHAT IT TAKES TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS THAT WOULD RESULT IN SOME MODICUM OF PUBLIC ACCEPTANCE.

THAT, THAT THERE'S A LEGITIMATE PROCESS THAT'S BEEN FOLLOWED.

SO WHAT ARE THE CRITERIA THAT WOULD SORT OF MAKE A, A PROJECT OR AN IDEA, UH, UH, IDEAL CANDIDATE FOR THIS PROCESS? IS IT THAT THERE'S A POTENTIAL FOR SOME COUNTY ASSET INVOLVED, LIKE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE HEAD FIELDS OR, OR LOCATIONS, BUT THE ICE ICE RINK DIDN'T? SO IS, IS IT RIGHT? IS IT THE IDEA THAT IT'S SHOVEL READY AND THAT, UM, WE FAST TRACK CERTAIN THINGS THROUGH PLANNING OR THROUGH BUILDING OR, OR PLANNING OR WHATEVER? OKAY.

LEMME ADDRESS THAT.

FIRST OF ALL, IF THERE'S COUNTY ASSETS INVOLVED, THEN THE ANSWER IS ABSOLUTELY YES.

THIS IS A, THIS IS A ABSOLUTE BUSINESS REQUIREMENT.

'CAUSE THERE, BECAUSE IT'S IT'S COUNTY ASSET THAT'S BEING CONTRIBUTED INTO THE DEAL.

IF IT'S A, IF IT'S, IF IT'S A PRIVATE PROJECT MM-HMM .

THEN, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S NO ACTUAL PUBLIC REQUIREMENT.

YOU KNOW, THE, THE BEST THING PROBABLY THAT WOULD COME OUT OF A PRIVATE PROJECT IS THAT IF THEY, THEY'VE DEMONSTRATED THAT THEY FOLLOWED THIS PROCESS AND IT'S A PROCESS THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS AND KNOWS, THEN WHEN THEY COME TO A BOARD AND PITCH THEIR PROJECT, THERE'S A LOT LESS UNCERTAINTY.

IT'S A MATTER PROCESS RESULTS IN RELIABILITY.

SO NOBODY WOULD HAVE TO DO IT.

BUT IF THEY WANTED TO AND THEY WENT THROUGH THAT PROCESS, THEN THEY COULD EXPECT MORE COMFORT PERHAPS.

BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, THREE OF THE FOUR PROJECTS THAT I PUT OUT AS KICKSTARTERS DO INVOLVE COUNTY ASSETS.

AND THERE'S A REASON FOR THAT BECAUSE IT'S WHERE WE HAVE THE, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO GET SOMETHING MOVING QUICKLY.

I DO LIKE THE ICE SKATING IDEA.

I USED TO WORK IN RESTON AND THAT ICE ICE THINK THERE IS A BIG ATTRACTION.

UM, UM, AND, UH, UH, IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY, BUT IT'S FOR SALE.

IT'S THE, UH, THE ANDEX FLEA MARKET ON COMMERCE AVENUE.

BE A GREAT PLACE FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

'CAUSE YOU COULD WALK ACROSS THE STREET TO MAIN STREET, UM, AND IT'S SORT OF A FLOOD PLANE, BUT AN ICE RINK WITH A, LIKE AN OPEN AIR PAVILION OVER THE TOP WOULD BE A, A GOOD YEAR ROUND USE.

AND LIKE YOU SAID, YOU COULD MAKE IT A CONCERT VENUE OR SOMETHING IN THE SUMMER.

YOU KNOW, ANOTHER THING I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT IS THAT THIS PROCESS BEING PUBLISHED AND BEING KNOWN IS THAT EVEN PEOPLE THAT DO NOT HAVE THE FUNDS, THAT MAY NOT BE INVESTORS, BUT THEY WANT TO SEE A PROJECT HAPPEN, CAN START FACILITATING THIS PROCESS.

IF THEY HAVE CREATIVITY, THEY HAVE COMMUNICATION SKILLS, THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO MARKET ANALYSIS, THEY CAN, ANYBODY CAN START THIS PROCESS AND THEY MAY BE ABLE TO ATTRACT THE CAPITAL TO DO IT MM-HMM .

AND JUST BRING ATTENTION TO IT.

ONE, ONE OF THE IDEAS AGAIN, IS DEMOCRATIZING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS TO, IS TO OPEN THE BOOK ON WHAT THE PROCESS IS AND INVITE PEOPLE TO FOLLOW THAT PROCESS.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A A, AN INVESTOR OR A LANDOWNER TO DO IT.

THE, THE ONE THING WHICH I THINK YOU DIDN'T HAVE, AND I'M I'M HAPPY, IS THE IDEA THAT, THAT THE COUNTY WILL SOMEHOW BE IN THE BUSINESS OF DOING LOANS OR BUYING LAND TO HOLD IT AND THEN SELL IT TO THE RIGHT PERSON.

BUT RIGHT.

I DIDN'T MAKE A BIG DEAL ABOUT IT, BUT I DID MENTION PRIVATE CAPITAL AT, AT, AT, AT THE FRONT.

OUR GOAL IS TO, BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S SORT OF, THAT IS THE BOAT WE'RE IN.

WE DON'T HAVE CASH.

WHERE WE HAVE ASSETS WE CAN CONTRIBUTE TO THEM IN A MEANINGFUL WAY, BUT WE DON'T HAVE CASH AND, AND WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, THE LAST THING IN THE WORLD I I WOULD BE DOING IS, UH, SUGGESTING LET'S DO A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS OF DEBT TO, TO RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, BUILD PROJECTS.

I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S SORT OF A, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S AN INVALID WAY OF THINKING, BUT IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE FOR OUR SITUATION THAT IN MY OPINION, THAT'S NOT THE TRUCK THIS IS ON.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO YOUR, YOUR SHORT TERM, WHICH IS THE HOMESTEADING, THAT IDEA.

SO DO YOU NEED ANY, UM, HELP FROM THE BOARD TO TEST OUT THIS EDP PROCESS TO SEE IF THAT WOULD WORK? YES.

THAT IS, THAT'S AN INTRODUCTION OF A CONCEPT THAT I KNOW THERE ARE, THERE ARE PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT HAVE STARTED A HOMESTEADING GROUP THAT HAVE SPECIFIC GOALS AND, AND UNDER

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AND NEEDS MM-HMM .

THAT WE CAN, WE CAN INTERFACE WITH AND START THAT, START THAT PROCESS.

RIGHT NOW, I THINK IT'S WORTH LOOKING AT IT AND, AND SEE AND BUT START SHAKING, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THE LAND IS THERE, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, WE, I DON'T THINK WE'VE MADE ANY COMMITMENT OF MOVE, UH, OF SELLING THAT LAND THAT THE COUNTY OWNS, YOU KNOW, SO YEAH.

ONE OF THE THINGS I'D LIKE TO SAY ABOUT THAT IS THAT IT'S A LIGHT TOUCH PROJECT.

IN OTHER WORDS, IT DOESN'T INVOLVE PUTTING A BUILDING THERE.

UH, YEAH.

IT'S, IT'S, IT'S SPACE.

YOU COULD PUT A, A, A LEAN TWO UP, YOU KNOW, A 20 BY 40 AND, AND ALLOW PEOPLE TO GATHER OUT OF THE SUN OR THE RAIN TO DO A WORKSHOP.

SO IT, THERE'S NO, IT IS, IT'S, IT'S PLANTING A SEED WITH A LIGHT TOUCH THAT COULD GROW AND, AND IT COULD GROW TO, TO A COLLABORATION WITH THE JOINTLY OWNED PROPERTY AT SOME POINT IN TIME TO WHERE THERE'S A, A COOPERATIVE MARKET THERE.

THAT'S JUST A VISION.

BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ASSURANCE THAT THE VISION IS GONNA TAKE PLACE BEFORE YOU PLANT THE SEED.

YOU CAN PLANT A SEED AND CULTIVATE IT AND SEE HOW, HOW MUCH CAN HAPPEN IN THAT LIMITED SPACE AND THAT, WITH THAT, WITH THOSE LIMITED FUNDS.

BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT THOSE PEOPLE WOULD BE GRATEFUL TO HAVE THAT SPACE AND ARE NOT OF A MIND TO HOLD THEIR HAND OUT AND ASK FOR MONEY.

THEY, THEY'RE VERY INDEPENDENT AND, AND SELF-MOTIVATED.

SO WOULD THIS BE AN IDEA THAT YOU WOULD BRING TO THE TOURISM COMMITTEE? OR HOW, HOW IN YOUR MIND DID WE START THE COMMUNICATIONS? WELL, THINK THERE'S AN INTER, THERE'S AN INTERLEAVING BETWEEN TOURISM AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

I THINK TOURISM IS AN, IS A, A SUBSET OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

AND THERE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE RELATED AND THERE'S NO TURF, THERE'S NO TERRITORY.

SO, YOU KNOW, IDEAS NEED TO BE FREE TO ROME AND, UM, WOULD DEFINITELY LOVE INPUT, YOU KNOW, FROM PEOPLE IN THAT.

I MEAN, ESPECIALLY I'M SURE THERE ARE AGRICULTURALLY ORIENTED PEOPLE THERE.

ANYTHING ELSE? WELL, YOU HAVE MY SUPPORT TO GET THAT ONE LITTLE PROJECT ROLLING.

I DON'T KNOW HOW WE JUST, THAT ONE WE START IT WELL, THE OTHER ONES I'M LIKE, OH MY GOODNESS.

BUT NO, BUT YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE REALLY GOOD IDEAS.

I MEAN, JUST THE CONFERENCE CENTER FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, LOCATION, I MEAN, OUT IN WINCHESTER, WE HAD A LOT OF GOVERNMENT AGENCIES OUT THERE AND THEY'D LIKE TO DO OFFSITE, YOU KNOW, SO TO HAVE A, A CONFERENCE CENTER OUT HERE, WHICH WERE ONLY, WHAT, A HALF HOUR, 45 MINUTES AWAY.

FROM WINCHESTER.

AND I, AND I DIDN'T MENTION THAT, BUT IN MY MIND, THE, THE LAND NORTH OF THE GOLF OF THE COUNTY GOLF COURSE MM-HMM .

WOULD BE A PLACE FOR THAT.

'CAUSE ALL OF THE RESTAURANTS AND THE HOTELS ARE RIGHT THERE.

BUT AGAIN, I'M, I'M NOT TRYING TO AS LAY DOWN MM-HMM .

A CONCRETE PLAN FOR ANY OF THESE PARTICULAR THINGS.

YOU, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LOT ON THE HILL, THEY WERE STORING, UH, A CABLE COMPANY, UH MM-HMM .

STUFF ON.

I THINK THERE'S A HUNDRED ACRES OVER THERE TOO.

WE HAVE IN TOWN.

BUT ANYWAY.

WELL, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.