May 06, 2025 Board of Supervisors Meeting

BEGIN WITH THE ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA.

WE'LL

[B. Adoption of Agenda - Additions or Deletions]

ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS? IF NO, DO I HAVE A MOTION? I MOVE.

WE ACCEPT THE AGENDA AS PRESENTED.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND ROLL CALL MRS. COOK? AYE.

[C. Discussion - Contract Renewal Agreement for Reassessment Services - Sherry Sours]

UH, SO WE'LL BEGIN WITH, UH, A, UH, DISCUSSION OF A CONTRACT RENEWAL AGREEMENT FOR REASSESSMENT SERVICES FROM, UM, UM, MS. SAUERS AND

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FOR THE RECORD, SHE'S THE COMMISSIONER OF THE REVENUE.

UH, COWEN SERVICES HAS PROVIDED US TO A COUPLE DIFFERENT OPTIONS HERE FOR THE REASSESSMENT FOR 27, EITHER ONE OF 'EM, IT WOULD BE DIVIDED 50 50 BETWEEN TWO DIFFERENT BUDGET YEARS.

OPTION ONE, UM, IS THE FULL AMOUNT INCLUDES THE MAILING OF THE REASSESSMENT NOTICES AND, UH, THE USE OF THE AERIAL IMAGERY.

OPTION TWO IS A LESSER AMOUNT WITHOUT THE USE OF THE AERIAL IMAGERY.

AND WE WOULD HAVE TO MAIL OUT THE NOTE THE BARREL, THE COST OF THE MAILING OF THE NOTICES, WHICH IS ABOUT $21,000.

DO YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS? WANT ME TO GO? I'LL DEFER THE CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE WITH COHEN'S RIGHT NOW.

IS IT A BASE CONTRACT WITH OPTION YEARS OR HOW, WHAT'S THE STRUCTURE OF THE CONTRACT? I WAS GONNA LET JASON OH, IT BECAUSE I, I I SAW IT HERE IS IT'S IN OUR ATTACHMENT, RIGHT? YES.

IT'S IN THE CONSENT AGENDA.

OR WHICH ONE IS IT? IT'S, IT'S RIGHT AFTER THE CONSENT AGENDA.

H IT'S H AND THEY SAID IT COVERED LIKE SIX YEARS.

RIGHT? THIS IS EIGHT YEARS HERE.

AND THE REASON WHY I ASK, AND I'LL BE PERFECTLY HONEST, YOU KNOW, DURING THIS, THIS PROCESS, AND I UNDERSTAND, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I UNDERSTAND THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE USED THIS SERVICE MM-HMM .

THESE FOLKS, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE COMPLAINED ABOUT THEIR, THEIR PROFESSIONALISM, YOU KNOW, HOW THEY WOULD RESPOND TO THEM AND THAT KIND OF THING.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I, YOU KNOW, THEY, AND I'M SURE YOU'VE SEEN THE EMAILS AND YES.

OF PEOPLE, AND I'M SURE YOUR OFFICE ARE GETTING THE SAME COMPLAINTS.

SO MY, MY QUESTION IS THIS AGREEMENT, DOES IT HAVE ANYTHING IN IT THAT WOULD NOT WANT US TO EXERCISE THE NEXT OPTION YEAR? I TRY TO READ IT AND, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THE WAY I INTERPRET IT, IF IT DOES, IF THEY, IF THE, IF THE CONTRACTOR DOES NOT VIOLATE ANY OF THE PROVISIONS IN THE CONTRACT, THEN THERE'S, YOU KNOW, WE DO AN AUTOMATIC RENEWAL.

SO I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S MY INTERPRETATION.

WELL, NO, THIS IS PURELY, PURELY OPTIONAL.

AND BY THE WAY, THE CURRENT CONTRACT DOESN'T EXPIRE UNTIL OCTOBER 17TH.

SO IF YOU'VE GOT QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS CONTRACTOR AND, AND WANT TO THINK ABOUT THIS, THIS, YOU KNOW, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, MRS. SAUERS, BUT THE CURRENT CONTRACT'S GOOD THROUGH OCTOBER 17TH.

NOW, OF COURSE, SINCE WE'RE ON A TWO YEAR SCHEDULE, I SUSPECT WHAT SHE'S GONNA SAY IS THAT IF YOU WANNA CHANGE CONTRACTORS PROBABLY SHOULD DO IT SOON.

YEAH, I WAS JUST YEAH.

THAT THEN WE'RE ON A TIMELINE.

BECAUSE WHEN WILL THEY HAVE TO START THE NEXT, UH, CYCLE? IT USUALLY TAKES A YEAR AND A HALF.

SO THEY WOULD START JULY 1ST.

JULY 1ST.

SO HAVE YOUR, HAS YOUR OPTION, YOUR OFFICE COMMUNICATED TO THE CONTRACTOR THESE, YOU KNOW, COMPLAINTS THAT THE, OUR, SOME OF THE CITIZENS HAVE ABOUT THE PROFESSIONALISM HAVE? WELL, ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WAS WE ONLY HAD THE ONE ROOM TO DO THE HEARINGS MM-HMM .

SO THERE WAS A PROBLEM THERE.

SO WE FIGURED WE WAS GONNA HAVE TO DO A CHANGE REGARDLESS OF WHO THE CONTRACTOR WOULD BE.

FOR FUTURE HEARINGS SO THAT IT'S MORE ONE-ON-ONE INSTEAD OF SEVERAL DIFFERENT HEARINGS TAKING PLACE IN ONE ROOM.

WHAT, WHAT AUTHORITIES DOES THE COUNTY ASSESSOR HAVE AND THAT KIND OF THING.

A LOT OF PEOPLE FELT LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT WAS TOO NOISY, NOT ENOUGH OF ATTENTION JUST WITH THEM.

AND I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT MM-HMM .

SO I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED MM-HMM .

BUT WE DON'T HAVE AN ISOLATED AREA FOR ALL THE TIME RIGHT.

TO DO THOSE.

YEAH, I UNDERSTAND.

BUT SOME OF THE COMPLAINTS THAT I HAVE GOTTEN, IT'S REALLY OUT IN THE FIELD.

I MEAN, YEAH, I, I'VE HAD SOME COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE PROCESS IN THE, IN THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, WITH THE APPEAL PROCESS AND, UM, BUT MOST, MOST OF THEM, MY COMPLAINTS HAVE BEEN THE PROFESSIONALISM OUT IN THE FIELD MM-HMM .

WHERE I KNOW, AND I KNOW THERE'S A FINE LINE, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT'S, WHEN THERE'S A NO TRESPASSING SIGN THAT WE STILL NEED TO GET THE ASSESSMENT.

AND I'M NEW TO THIS WHOLE, HOW ALL OF THIS WORKS,

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SO, UM, SO I JUST, YOU KNOW, WANTED TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT THE COMPLAINTS THAT WE'VE BEEN GIVE GIVEN ARE COMMUNICATED TO THE CONTRACTOR THAT MAYBE HIS PEOPLE NEED TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE, YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO BLACK WORD PROFESSIONALISM.

YOU KNOW, BECAUSE SOME OF THIS, JASON, THIS HERE, THIS EVENING, IF YOU HAVE ANY, HE'S HERE FOR YOU TO TALK ME DIRECT QUESTIONS.

OH, YEAH.

I'M HERE.

HI.

SO, SO, UH, I'M JASON TOWN .

I COME HERE SO EVERYBODY ONLINE COULD HEAR AS WELL.

UM, SO SOME OF THE COMPLAINTS THAT I EXPERIENCED AND ACKNOWLEDGE WERE PEOPLE HAVING A HARD TIME GETTING A HOLD OF US WHEN THEY WERE FIRST CALLING.

UH, AND I'VE ALREADY MADE PLANS FOR THE NEXT PROJECTS THAT I'M WORKING ON IN OTHER COUNTIES TO DO A BETTER JOB OF THAT.

I'M GONNA BE HIRING LIKE A, A TEAM OF PEOPLE JUST TO ANSWER THE PHONE FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.

UM, SO THAT'S ONE THING.

AND THEN AS FAR AS THE, THE FIELD GOES, WE, WE WERE FOLLOWING ALL THOSE TYPICAL PROTOCOLS.

WE HAVE MARKED CARS, WE ALWAYS HAVE ID BADGES AND THINGS LIKE THAT MM-HMM .

AND SO WE ENCOURAGE, WE ENCOUNTER PEOPLE ALL WALKS OF LIFE AT DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THEY'RE RUNNING OUT THE DOOR, LIKE, UM, A COUPLE DAYS AGO SOMEBODY WAS RUNNING OUT THE DOOR AND I WAS PULLING IN.

WE WE HAD LIMITED OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK OR WHATEVER.

UM, BUT YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S POINT TAKEN.

YOU KNOW, WE CAN, UM, MAKE STRIVES TO, TO DO A BETTER JOB IN THE FIELD.

AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD SAY TO SPECIFICALLY ALLEVIATE THAT IN VIRGINIA, UM, YOU ONLY HAVE TO GO TO THE FIELD ONCE EVERY SIX YEARS.

SO THESE TWO OPTIONS ARE, BOTH OF 'EM ARE AT REDUCED PRICES BECAUSE, UM, WE'RE EITHER GONNA BE USING THE, THE PICTOMETRY AERIAL IMAGERY, AND THAT'S MORE LIKE OF A DESK REVIEW THING OR JUST A SIMPLE, THE EVEN CHEAPER OPTION IS JUST A DESK REVIEW WHERE WE'RE ONLY CHECKING THREE OR FOUR THINGS MM-HMM .

AND OF COURSE WE'RE GONNA BE UPDATING THE BUILDING PERMITS, WORKING THOSE BUILDING PERMITS THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS, AUDITING THE SALES.

THOSE ARE THINGS THAT, UM, WE'RE TAKING THEM OFF OF THE HANDS OF THE COMMISSIONERS A LITTLE BIT TO BE, BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF THE REASSESSMENT PROCESS.

IN GENERAL.

SO, UM, SO IN THE GOING FORWARD WHEN I GET COMPLAINTS, CAN I COPY YOU ON MY EMAIL? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

AND I, I SEND TO SHERRY, I'M, I DO MAKE A POINT TO, LIKE THE, THE DOOR HANGERS THAT WE USE, THE PHONE NUMBER RINGS DIRECTLY TO MY CELL PHONE.

SO IF ANYBODY COMPLAINS, YOU KNOW, THEY BASICALLY GET RIGHT TO ME.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE, UM, SMALL FAMILY BUSINESS, BUT WE'RE GROWING, YOU KNOW, AND I LIKE THAT WAY WHERE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THEY GET ME.

I'M USUALLY THE ANSWER TO THE PERSON WHO ANSWERS THE PHONE FROM THE FIELD WHEN PEOPLE CALL.

AND SO I APPRECIATE THAT.

YES, MA'AM.

AND I, I DON'T MEAN TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, I'M SORRY.

NO, NO.

WELL, TRUST ME, LIKE, LIKE YOU WAS SAYING, YOU HAVE TO BE HUMBLE AND TEACHABLE, YOU KNOW, AND I, I WANT TO DO, YOU KNOW, THE BEST JOB, IT'S AN HONOR FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO SERVE IN THIS CAPACITY.

SO I HAVE A, I HAVE SOME, SOME COMMENTS.

I'M NOT, I MEAN, THEY MAY PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.

UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE COMMUNICATED WITH ME THAT, THAT THEY COULDN'T GET HOLD OF YOU.

SO, AND THERE WOULD BE AN APPOINTMENT, THEY WOULD MISS THE APPOINTMENT.

AND IT WAS JUST, IT'S A RE A REPETITIVE STORY THAT I, I GOT A LOT.

AND IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT DOES GIVE ME PAUSE AS TO RENEWING THIS IF, IF, YOU KNOW, IF WHAT I MEAN, IF, HOW, HOW DOES THAT NOT HAPPEN? YOU KNOW? AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I, I GOT INTO SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH SOME OF MY CONSTITUENTS ABOUT WAS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, UH, COMING UP WITH SOME KIND OF, OF MECHANISM, LIKE A LOG OR MAYBE THE COUNTY'S INVOLVED IN KNOWING WHEN A PERSON HAD AN APPOINTMENT THAT THE COUNTY KNOWS THEY HAD AN APPOINTMENT AT FOUR O'CLOCK, AND IF IT GOT MISSED, THEN THE COUNTY HAS A RECORD OF THAT.

BECAUSE I THINK THE COUNTY WAS OUT NOT INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS.

AND SO, UM, I JUST HAD SO MANY PEOPLE THAT WERE LIKE, BASICALLY GAVE UP, YOU KNOW, TO MISSED IT.

THEY, THEY MISSED THE, THE ZOOM MEETING AND THEN THAT DIDN'T GET A CALL BACK AND STUFF.

AND I, THERE'S TWO SIDES TO EVERY STORY I UNDERSTAND.

AND, AND I ACTUALLY DID TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT.

SO, SO I KNOW THAT, THAT, UM, FROM, I KNOW SOME OF WHAT YOUR PERSPECTIVE WAS, BUT NEVERTHELESS, UH, ENOUGH OF THOSE GOALS AND EMAILS CAME TO ME.

UM, AND I THINK, SO, SO YOU GO, GO AHEAD.

I THINK PART OF IT IS THAT WE, THIS, THIS TIME AROUND, WE, UM, ACCOMPLISHED A LOT.

WE GOT A NEW COMPUTER SYSTEM AND THAT TRANSITION, THERE WERE SOME DATA ERRORS AND SOME THINGS THAT WE HAD TO CLEAN UP, WHICH PUSHED BACK THE PROCESS A LITTLE BIT.

TYPICALLY WOULD'VE LIKED TO FINISH IN THE FALL AND HAVE THE HEARINGS LIKE BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR, BASICALLY.

WAS, THAT THEIR HEARING OR, AND WHEN I TALKED TO YOU, YOU SAID, WELL, WHENEVER YOU GOT A CALL, YOU OPEN A FILE ON THEM SO THAT, THAT APPARENTLY IT WAS A HEARING.

AND, AND REALLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS PEOPLE THAT COULDN'T EVEN, COULDN'T EVEN MAKE THE CONTACT TO HAVE THE HEARING.

I MEAN, THEY JUST, AND THEY EITHER HAD A, SOMETIMES THEY HAD A PHONE CONVERSATION AND, AND, UM, THEN DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER THAT

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I MEAN, IT'S JUST A LOT OF LIKE, LACK OF DEFINITION.

PEOPLE WEREN'T SURE, LIKE, WAS THAT IT? YOU KNOW, AND, AND THEN THEY DIDN'T GET, THEY DIDN'T GET FEEDBACK.

BUT AS I UNDERSTAND, THAT DOESN'T COME UNTIL LATER.

UM, THAT'S, THAT'S ONE THING.

AND THEN YOU MENTIONED A NEW COMPUTER SYSTEM, AND THE OTHER THING THAT I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT IS THE, IS WHAT, AND, AND I'M NOT AN APPRAISER, SO I'M NOT GONNA ASSUME AUTHORITY IN THIS AR AREA, BUT THE VARIABILITY WITHIN VERY SMALL AREAS WAS VERY HIGH.

AND, UH, IT, IT JUST, EVEN AS A NON-PROFESSIONAL, I'M LIKE, HOW CAN THAT HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET BE $200,000 MORE? YOU KNOW? I MEAN, 'CAUSE THEY HAVE GROUND COUNTER OR SOMETHING.

WELL, YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT.

I MEAN, IT, IT, THE, THE FRUSTRATION OF PEOPLE WITHIN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAD THIS KIND OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, OR SOMETHING RIGHT NEXT TO THEM, WAS IT, IT JUST REALLY HARD TO, TO GRASP.

AND, AND, UM, I'M NOT GONNA HAVE LIKE ASK FOR AN TECHNICAL EXPLANATION FROM YOUR APPRAISER BACKGROUND, BUT DID IT HAVE TO DO WITH SOFTWARE AND WHY WAS IT SO VARIABLE WITHIN SMALL, SMALL SPACES? CAN YOU KIND OF ADDRESS THAT IN GENERAL? ABSOLUTELY.

I'M GLAD TO.

SO THE, UM, THE LEGACY COMPUTER SYSTEM WORKED FOR THE COUNTY FOR, UH, SEVERAL DECADES.

I'M THINKING TWO, TWO OR THREE DECADES.

IT WAS VERY GOOD.

IT WAS OWNED BY A FAMILY BUSINESS HERE IN VIRGINIA.

AND, UM, SO IT, IT WAS A DOS SPACE SYSTEM, LIKE, SO BLACK SCREEN, GREEN LETTERS, YOU KNOW, VERY, VERY ROBUST AS FAR AS WORKING, BUT IT LACKED A LOT OF LIKE, MODELING CAPABILITIES.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE, THERE WAS A SIZE ADJUSTMENT THAT WOULD MODEL ECONOMIES OF SCALE, BUT IT WAS NOT CUSTOMIZABLE.

IT WAS HARD CODED INTO THE MACHINE.

WELL, THAT DOESN'T WORK THROUGH ALL MARKETS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN THE, THE NEW COMPUTER SYSTEM THAT WAS TOTALLY CUSTOMIZABLE, YOU COULD CHANGE THAT.

YOU COULD ALSO DO WHAT'S CALLED A NEIGHBORHOOD FACTOR.

SO, UM, I MODELED THE SALES, UH, BASED UPON SIZE, WHICH WAS NEW QUALITY RATING, WHICH WAS, THAT WAS IN THE OLD SYSTEM.

UM, I ALSO DID TABLE DRIVEN DEPRECIATION WHERE IT WAS, BEFORE IT WAS HAND TO HAND, YOU WOULD MANUALLY GO ON THERE AND ADJUST IT ONE PARCEL AT A TIME.

SO THAT WAS NEW.

UH, I APPLIED NEIGHBORHOOD FACTORS THAT WAS ALSO NEW.

SO WITH THAT, THERE, THERE'S ALWAYS NATURAL BIASES WHEN YOU'RE DOING THIS.

SO SOME OF THOSE BIASES WERE CORRECTED.

UM, SO IT'S A KNOWN THING.

THERE'S ALWAYS A BIAS AGAINST WHAT IS, UM, UNCOMMON IN THE COUNTY.

SO IN OTHER WORDS, THAT THE TYPICAL HOUSE IS GONNA BE OVERREPRESENTED IN THE SALES VERSUS THE OUTLIERS.

THE REALLY BIG ONES, AND THE SMALL ONES ARE GONNA BE UNDERREPRESENTED, THE SALES.

SO THERE'S ALL KINDS OF BIASES, WHICH WE TRIED TO WORK OUT WITH THIS COMPUTER SYSTEM.

AND MY PLAN ISN'T LIKE, YOU KNOW, ASSUMING THAT YOU SELECT ME AGAIN, UM, IS TO ADD MORE REFINEMENT TO THAT.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, UM, STYLE CODES IN THE NEW COMPUTER SYSTEM, YOU CAN ADJUST BY STYLED HOUSE LIKE A RANCH VERSUS CAPE COD, UM, STORY HEIGHT, THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

SO THERE WERE MORE CAPABILITIES.

AND I DID STRATIFY THE SALES, YOU KNOW, BY LOCATION, BY SIZE, EVERY 200 SQUARE FEET, OUR RANGELAND NUMBERS BETWEEN 800 AND A THOUSAND, 1,002, 1200, TO MAKE SURE UP AND DOWN THE SCALE WHERE THAT WASN'T, HAD, HADN'T BEEN DONE BEFORE.

AND I KNOW THAT THAT WAS PART OF IT.

SO WELL, WAS PART OF IT THAT THERE WAS A DIS A DISCONTINUITY FROM THE OLD SYSTEM TO THE NEW THAT ESSENTIALLY LEFT BEHIND WHAT THE PREVIOUS ONE WAS, KIND OF, IT WASN'T RELATED TO IT, AND IT WAS STARTING FROM SCRATCH.

AND I THINK WE ACHIEVED 13% FOR THE, FOR THE HOUSES.

SO, SO IN OTHER WORDS, IT WASN'T A, A PARAMETRIC EXERCISE.

IT WAS AN INFERENTIAL EXERCISE.

SO YOU COULDN'T TAKE, IT WAS THIS, AND YOU ONLY NEED TO ADD 7% TO IT, OR 10%.

IT WAS WHAT SHOULD IT BE IN LIGHT OF ALL THIS NEW TECHNOLOGY THAT WE CAN FROM THE START? YEAH, EXACTLY.

AND I, AND I DO KIND OF HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT FEATURES AND OVER PARAMETERIZATION, LIKE HOW WISE IS THAT AND HOW MUCH OF THAT YOU WANT TO DO? WELL, THERE IS, UM, A STATISTICAL TEST THAT YOU USE.

SO THE, THE, THE NUMBERS WERE JUST RECENTLY AUDITED BY THE STATE, AND THEY CAME BACK WITHIN, ALL THE PARAMETERS WERE HIT THAT WE SHOULD HAVE.

AND ACTUALLY IT WAS LIKE 95.9 5, 95 POINT SOMETHING WAS THE, AND I THOUGHT IT WAS ACTUALLY GONNA BE HIGHER.

I THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE LIKE 99%.

UM, SO OVER FIT, THERE'S, UM, THERE'S SOMETHING CALLED THE COD, WHICH IS THE COEFFICIENT OF DISPERSION.

AND THAT IS A MEASURE OF HORIZONTAL EQUITY.

UM, SO AS YOU GO ACROSS THE COUNTY AND YOU ENCOUNTER, UM, DIFFERENT AGE, AGE OF HOMES, QUALITY OF HOME, SIZE OF HOME, THAT KIND OF THING, HOW GOOD ARE THE ASSESSMENTS? AND THE, THE MINIMUM YOU SHOULD BE AS FIVE, THE MAXIMUM SHOULD BE AS 20.

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COD WAS 13%, 13% FOR THE HOUSES.

AND THAT WAS AUDITED BY THE STATE.

SO OVER FIT, IF YOU WERE REALLY CLOSE TO FIVE, IT BASICALLY MEANT YOU, YOU CHEATED, YOU KNOW, OVER FIT TOO MANY PARAMETERS.

WELL, NO.

UM, IF YOU GET THE COD CLOSE TO FIVE MM, IT, THE MINIMUM IS FIVE.

YOU SHOULD BE BETWEEN FIVE AND, AND 20.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S, I THINK I'VE HIT MY, MY MAIN POINTS.

I, I DO WONDER, UH, SINCE THE, I MEAN THE CONTRACT'S NOT UP UNTIL OCTOBER IF WE REALLY ARE READY TO DO THIS, BUT YOU SAID THAT WORK HAS TO START JULY ONE TO IF, IF SOMEONE DOES A FULL REASSESSMENT, IT TAKES A YEAR AND A HALF IN WARREN COUNTY, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO A FULL REASSESSMENT DESK REVIEWS.

ACTUALLY, THIS GETS TO MY NEXT, UM, QUESTIONS ABOUT THE OPTIONS AND THEN THE, THE VALUE OF, OF THE OVER, WHAT'S IT CALLED? OH, THE OVER FLIGHT OR, UH, IT'S CALLED EAGLEVIEW.

EAGLEVIEW.

UH, IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY TWICE THE COST.

SO I, WE'RE GONNA GET TWICE THE REVENUE.

I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT'S THE, THE, WHAT DOES THAT RELATIONSHIP LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF THE VAL, THE, THE VALUE PROPOSITION OF HAVING THAT, THAT MUCH INFORMATION? WE JUST SAW A DEMONSTRATION WHERE HE WAS TALKING ABOUT ONE INCH VERSUS THREE INCH, AND, AND YOU KNOW, I'M JUST LIKE, HE WAS SHOWING HOW YOU CAN MEASURE HOW HIGH THAT IS FROM THE GROUND TO THE, TO THE GUTTER.

AND LIKE, THAT'S, THAT'S FRANKLY PROBABLY NOT THAT INFORMA THAT, THAT VALUABLE.

I'M WONDERING.

SO YEAH, SO, SO THE BENEFIT TO THE COUNTY IMMEDIATELY IT WOULD BE, UM, MOSTLY IF OTHER DEPARTMENTS REALLY LIKED IT.

SO I, I'VE WORKED IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT PLACES.

I KNOW THAT A LOT OF TIMES THE ZONING PEOPLE LIKE IT AND LIKE THE BUILDING ZONING OFFICIALS, POLICE AND FIREMEN.

SO FROM AN ASSESSMENT STANDPOINT, UM, I WOULD BE CREDITING, TAKING THE, RENEWING THE CONTRACT PRICE.

I WOULD BE CREDITING LIKE $125,000.

I'D BE REDUCING THAT.

'CAUSE I'M GONNA SAVE MONEY INSTEAD OF LIKE, ME GOING AROUND AND KNOCKING ON DOORS AND WALKING AROUND.

I CAN USE THAT TECHNOLOGY.

SO I WIN IT, SAVE ME TIME, YOU WIN 'CAUSE YOU GET THIS PRODUCT AND OTHER, OTHER PLACES MAY BENEFIT FROM IT.

SO IT'S REALLY LIKE, AND IT, IT IS BASICALLY, YOU COULD ALMOST TRY IT FOR FREE BECAUSE I THINK THE, THE QUOTE WAS WE GOT 65 FOR THE THREE INCH.

OH, 65,000.

OH, OKAY.

SO IT'S GONNA BE WHOLE TOTALLY COVERED.

YOU COULD GET IT FOR FREE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, SAY WE, YOU CHOSE TO DO THAT, WHICH, YOU KNOW, MAY NOT HAPPEN THEN IN A COUPLE YEARS, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN ASK THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS, WAS THIS A BENEFIT TO YOU? AND YOU WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO RENEW IT.

WELL, SO TO THE OTHER OPTION, UM, OPTION TWO WAS, UH, NO AERIAL IMAGERY DESK, DESK REVIEW ONLY.

PLUS ONSITE, I GUESS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION OR, OR REMODELS.

THAT'S CORRECT, YES, SIR.

SO IN THAT OPTION, UM, WHAT WOULD THE DESK REVIEW CONSIST OF? JUST THAT, THAT THE SPECS, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF BUILDING PERMITS HAD STAYED THE SAME AND THEN, UM, SOME KIND OF MARKET ADJUSTMENT? OR WOULD IT BE BASED ON PREVIOUS SALES FOR HOUSES THAT WERE IN THAT SAME COHORT? UH, YEAH.

SO THERE'S LIKE, THERE'S, THERE'S THINGS THAT I HAD MENTIONED BEFORE.

I WAS GONNA BE ADDING LIKE THE, UM, REVIEWING THE DATA.

SO BASICALLY THE DESK REVIEW IS, I REVIEW THE, THE FACTS, I MEAN THE SUBJECTIVE THINGS TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE IN ALIGNMENT AND ADJUST THOSE TO THE CURRENT MARKET.

THEN I WOULD BE COLLECTING THE, UM, STYLE CODES AND A FEW OTHER DATA POINTS.

LIKE, UH, I'M WORKING WITH A VENDOR RIGHT NOW WHO, LIKE, WHO HAS A PRETTY GOOD GIS PROGRAM WITH LIDAR AND I'M GONNA BE USING THAT IN OTHER COUNTIES AND I'D PROBABLY USE THAT AGAIN HERE.

UM, AND THAT'S BASICALLY WHERE THE GIS THEY, THEY HAVE LIKE A, A WAY OF, UM, THE, THE COMPUTER ASSIGNS A CERTAIN VALUE FOR THE USABILITY OF LAND BASED ON TOPOGRAPHY, IF IT'S REALLY STEEP OR NOT STEEP.

IT GIVES IT KIND OF LIKE AN AVERAGE SLOPE.

UM, AND AGAIN, LIKE YOU SAID, THAT MAY BE GOOD FOR MODELING THE SALES.

IT BE COULD BE NOT GOOD.

SO IF, IF I HAD THE DATA, I COULD JUST CHOOSE NOT TO USE IT, YOU KNOW, SO.

UM, BUT TO AN, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THE MOST LIKE COST EFFECTIVE THING WITHOUT REGARD TO THE EAGLE VIEW OR THE OPTOMETRY WOULD JUST BE ABLE TO DO THE DESK REVIEW FOR THIS UPCOMING REASSESSMENT, THE DESK REVIEW AGAIN FOR THE NEXT ONE, AND THEN DO THE FULL SHEBANG AT THE SIX YEAR TERM.

THEY, UH, THE GENTLEMAN SAID IT'S, IT'S AN AIRPLANE, LIKE USUALLY LIKE A, A, A CESSNA OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

'CAUSE BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GO ONCE EVERY SIX YEARS, BUT IN VIRGINIA YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO AND KNOCK ON THE DOORS.

YOU CAN USE THAT AERIAL IMAGERY AS A SUBSTITUTE, PROVIDED THAT IT'S GOOD, GOOD QUALITY IMAGERY.

I I, IS THAT DONE BY, IT REFRESHED MY MEMORY.

IS THAT DONE BY, UH, UAV OR IS THAT DONE BY SOMEBODY ACTUALLY FLYING OVER?

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AND THEY HAVE SPECIAL CAMERAS IN, UM, A UNIQUE WAY OF STITCHING THE DATA TOGETHER.

SO IT IS VERY, VERY POWERFUL.

IT'S, I'VE USED IT BEFORE, A BUNCH.

VERY EFFECTIVE.

IN YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH OTHER COUNTIES, WHEN YOU GO FROM DESK REVIEW TO AERIAL, DO YOU PICK UP, UM, ADDITIONAL REVENUE THROUGH FINDING, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT WOULD'VE BEEN MISSED? LIKE I, YES.

I WOULD THINK THAT IF THEY PUT IN A POOL, WE WOULD KNOW FROM BUILDING PERMITS.

BUT YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE.

SUDDENLY THERE'S A POOL THERE, SO YOU ASSIST FOR THAT.

YOU, YOU WOULD CORRECT THINGS THAT, UM, BUT AS FAR AS RETURN ON, UM, RETURN ON INVESTMENT, LIKE IS IT GONNA, IS IT GONNA BE LIKE RETURN MONEY? I THINK THE STUDIES SHOW THAT THEY DO, BUT, UM, I WOULD RECOMMEND DOING IT ONCE EVERY DECADE BECAUSE IF YOU DO IT ONCE AND THEN YOU'RE NOT GONNA CATCH, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ENOUGH TIME, YOU KNOW, JUST DO IT AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN.

DO IT LIKE ONCE EVERY DECADE.

AND YOU'RE PROBABLY, YOU'RE PROBABLY GOOD, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE THAT MOST OF THE TIME YOU ARE GONNA FIND MORE THINGS THAT WE'RE MISSING AND CORRECTING THINGS UP OR DOWN.

YOU WANT IT TO BE RIGHT UP OR DOWN.

BUT, UM, FROM WHAT I'VE UNDERSTOOD FROM TALKING WITH THOSE FOLKS IS THAT THERE, THERE IS A POSITIVE RETURN ON INVESTMENT.

UM, AND I GUESS THERE'S THE, THE BENEFIT OF HAVING FEWER CONTROVERSIAL ENCOUNTERS.

OR, YOU KNOW.

AND, AND COUPLED WITH THAT, WE WOULD DO WHAT'S CALLED A DATA MAILER.

WE'D SEND 'EM BASICALLY A POSTCARD AND SAYING LIKE, YOU KNOW, UM, PLEASE GIVE US A CALL OR GO ONLINE MM-HMM .

YOU KNOW, TELL US HOW MANY BEDROOMS AND BATHROOMS YOU HAVE, TELL US IF ANY ISSUES YOU HAVE, ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE HOUSE.

SO WE WOULD USE THAT AS WELL AS THE AERIAL IMAGERY.

IT'S NOT JUST THAT, YOU KNOW, SO WE WOULD DO A DATA MAILER AND THAT WOULD BE ON MY EXPENSE, YOU KNOW, POSTAGE FOR THAT ORDER.

DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I, YES.

I, I GOT, UM, SOME CALLS ABOUT, UM, PROPERTY WHERE BUILDINGS WERE SAID TO BE THERE THAT WEREN'T THERE MORE BUILDINGS THAN WERE ON THE PROPERTY AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

UM, NOT SURE HOW THAT HAPPENED, BUT I DID GET THOSE CALLS ABOUT THAT.

AND THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS, UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF QUESTIONS, AND I THINK MAYBE YOU ANSWERED SOME OF THEM ON HOW YOU DO YOUR EVALUATIONS ON THE, UM, PROPERTIES LIKE, UH, DR.

JAMESON WAS SAYING, THE PARODY IN SMALL AREA SEEMED OFF KILTER A LOT, AND, UM, GOT A LOT OF QUESTIONS ON THAT.

THE OTHER THING, UM, DO YOU KEEP DOCUMENTATION OF WHEN THE PEOPLE COME IN TO DO THEIR APPEALS? IS ANY OF THAT KEPT SO THAT SINCE OUR TURNAROUND TIME IS SO QUICKLY NOW THAT, UM, BECAUSE PEOPLE THAT COME IN, THEY FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE TO COME IN AND SAY THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AND OVER? Y YES.

SO IT'S BEST PRACTICE.

SO WHAT ONLY, WHAT WE HAVE LIKE, LIKE A ASSESSOR'S SHEET, IT'S LIKE A ONE PAGE NOTE WHERE WE'RE TAKING NOTES AS THEY'RE TALKING TO US, YOU KNOW, AND SOMETIMES BECAUSE IT IS A LIMITED WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY, IT'S USUALLY ABOUT 15 MINUTES, 15, 20 MINUTES THAT PEOPLE HAVE.

SOMETIMES THEY'LL TELL US SOMETHING, WE DON'T WRITE IT DOWN THE PAPER, WE JUST PUT IT RIGHT INTO THE COMPUTER SYSTEM.

YOU KNOW, WE JUST CHANGE IT RIGHT AWAY OR WHATEVER, DEPENDING ON WHAT IT IS.

UM, BUT YEAH, THERE, THERE'S THAT RECORD.

AND THEN I'VE ALREADY GIVEN, UM, THEIR OFFICE, LIKE WHAT'S CALLED AN APPEAL LOG OR SUMMARIZES ALL THE CHANGES IN THE NO CHANGES.

SO THEY HAVE THAT, AND THEN THEY WOULD HAVE OUR WRITTEN NOTES.

AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE LIKE, UM, THE TAXPAYERS HAD, UM, THE OPPORTUNITY TO FILL OUT AN ONLINE FORM THAT JUST BASICALLY WENT INTO A GOOGLE SHEETS, LIKE A SPREADSHEET, WHICH I HAVE THAT THAT'S, THAT'LL BE THERE FOREVER.

THAT, SO THERE IS, THERE'S PLENTY OF RECORDS.

YES, MA'AM.

'CAUSE THAT, THAT'S ANOTHER THING.

A LOT OF PEOPLE, UM, I DID GET THE COMPLAINTS THAT WE MADE APPOINTMENTS TOOK OFF WORK, AND THEN SOMEHOW THAT GOT MIXED UP.

UH, SO THERE WAS FRUSTRATION OVER THAT.

BUT THEN THE, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, THEY FELT LIKE THEY WERE JUST HERE, WENT THROUGH THE SAME LITANY AND HAD TO GO THROUGH IT ALL OVER AGAIN.

AND IT'S, IT JUST GETS TO BE REDUNDANT AND FRUSTRATION.

SO I, THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING THE QUESTION, IF THERE'S DOCUMENTATION THAT MOVES FORWARD, UM, THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

WE DID ACTUALLY SEE WHERE PEOPLE HAD APPEALED BEFORE BECAUSE THERE WAS AN ADJUSTMENT THERE WHICH CARRIED OVER.

THERE, THERE IS, IN THE NEW COMPUTER SYSTEM, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO LIKE SCAN THINGS AND ATTACH THEM.

UH, WHEREAS BEFORE THAT WASN'T A POSSIBILITY.

BUT ALSO IN THE NEW COMPUTER SYSTEM, THERE'S A, WHENEVER YOU MAKE A, LIKE AN OFF THE WALL ADJUSTMENT, SO FOR EXAMPLE, ONE PERSON CAME IN AND SAID THAT, UM, THEY HAD A BUNCH OF LIKE, STRAY ANIMALS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, OR THEY HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT, UM, BEING CLOSE TO LIKE A LANDFILL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO IF YOU MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT FOR THAT, YOU CAN PUT A REASON IN THE NEW COMPUTER SYSTEM, YOU CAN REASON WHY.

AND

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IT MIGRATED IN FROM THE OLD SYSTEM TO THE NEW SYSTEM.

BUT THERE JUST WASN'T A NOTE AS TO EXPLAINING WHY, WHERE SOMEBODY MADE A 10% REDUCTION OR 20% REDUCTION OR WHATEVER.

SO WE TRIED TO, IF WE KNEW WHY, YOU KNOW, YOU PUT THE NOTE IN THERE, BUT IF YOU KNOW, A A ANY ASSESSOR WHO COMES ALONG, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT PERSON.

IF THEY DON'T KNOW WHY THAT ADJUSTMENT'S THERE, THEY'RE JUST GONNA TAKE IT OFF.

THEY'RE JUST GONNA REMOVE IT BECAUSE THEY CAN'T JUSTIFY, THEY DON'T KNOW WHY IT IS.

SO IT, IT IS CAPABILITY TO HAVE THAT IN THERE.

SO, SO IS THE, IF YOU DO THE AERIAL IMAGERY, IS THAT PROPRIETARY AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, YOUR COMPANY GOES? OR DOES THE COUNTY OWN THAT? YES.

THE, THE COUNTY OWNS IT.

AND IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, SAID THERE'S UNLIMITED USERS.

SO ANYBODY IN THE WHOLE, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE COUNTY CAN, CAN HAVE ACCESS TO IT.

ANY DEPARTMENT.

SO THE, UH, SO, UH, I, I GUESS THAT THERE'S PROS AND CONS TO THIS AND, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, I GUESS THE WAY I'M LOOKING AT IT IS ALL RENEWABLE ENERGY.

NO PROBLEM.

UH, IF, UH, UH, SOUND LIKE YOU HAD SOME, UH, UH, SOME ISSUES THIS LAST TIME, UH, DO YOU THINK THAT YOU'LL GET ALL THE BUGS WORKED OUT? THIS, THIS NEXT CYCLE OR YEAH, I, I THINK IT'LL BE MORE OF A, UM, PARAMETRIC OKAY.

EXERCISE JUST TO, TO TAKE IT UP A PERCENTAGE OR TWO, THERE SHOULD BE LOT, LOT, LOT LESS SHIFTING, LIKE BIG SHIFTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

BECAUSE MOST OF THE HEAVY LIFTING IS DONE.

UM, SO I THINK IT'LL BE, YOU KNOW, LESS DISRUPTIVE, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY MORE UNIFORM.

THE, THE REASON I WAS ASKING THAT WAS BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, TO ME IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO GO WITH THE, WITHOUT THE AERIAL IMAGERY THIS TIME, JUST TO BE ABLE TO, TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE BUGS GET WORKED OUT.

AND THEN IF, IF EVERYTHING IS COPACETIC THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS NEXT TIME AROUND, THEN, UH, YOU'D TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND SAY, UH, OKAY, WELL I THINK THAT IT'S GOOD FOR US TO GO WITH THE AERIAL IMAGERY.

WHAT, WHAT DO YOU THINK, UH, MS SOS, WE CAN USE THE AERIAL IMAGERY ON A LOT OF STUFF LIKE LAND USE, FOR EXAMPLE.

LIKE IF WE HAVE SOMEONE THAT IS QUESTIONABLE ABOUT QUALIFYING, WE CAN GO OUT THERE AND SEE DETAILS.

WE COULD SEE THE COWS IN THE FIELD.

WE CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, KNOW WHERE THEY'RE DOING HAY AND ALL, OR GROWING CROPS.

SO THEN, LIKE WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, WHERE YOU TAKE A LOOK AT, UH, AT, AT SOME LAND AND YOU SAY, OH, SOMEBODY OWNS 20 ACRES AND, AND THEN, THEN YOU GET THE AERIAL IMAGERY AND YOU FIND OUT THAT, WELL OUTTA THAT 20 ACRES, MY GOODNESS.

UH, SOME OF IT'S JUST STRAIGHT UP AND STRAIGHT DOWN AND IT'S, IT'S REALLY VERY DIFFICULT TO USE.

AND I WOULD IMAGINE THAT, THAT THAT TYPE OF LAND WOULD PROBABLY BE, YOU KNOW, UH, HAVE LESS, LESS VALUE TO IT BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW WHO, WHO WOULD WANT TO COME IN AND, AND BUY SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN'T BUILD ANYTHING ON BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S A BIG GULLY.

THAT'S TRUE.

SO I UNDERSTAND THAT.

SO THE DIFFERENCE IS $240,000 TO BE ABLE TO USE THE AERIAL IMAGERY AND, AND THE AERIAL IMAGERY CAN BE USED BY ANYBODY IN THE COUNTY, BUT WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A PLAN FOR HOW OTHER DEPARTMENTS ARE GONNA USE THAT DATA.

I KNOW WHEN HE GAVE THE PRESENTATION, HE KEPT TALKING ABOUT OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND STUFF AND I DIDN'T KNOW, I THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT ASSESSMENTS.

NOW I UNDERSTAND.

HE WAS TRYING TO SHOW IT'S VALUABLE FOR OTHER DEPARTMENTS.

BUT DO WE, ARE OTHER DEPARTMENTS, HAVE THEY ACTIVELY LOOKED AT THIS AND ASSESSED IT AND DECIDED, YEAH, THEY'D LIKE TO USE IT OR WOULD GET VALUE FROM IT? THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE USED TO HAVE IT YEARS AGO, BUT THEN WHEN WE HAD PROBLEMS WITH THE, THE SERVERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT THERE, THEY DIDN'T REPLACE.

I, I'M FINDING A HARD TIME THINKING THAT 200, THE $240,000 ADDITIONAL COST IS WORTHWHILE FROM AN ASSESSMENT'S POINT OF VIEW.

UH, I MEAN, ARE YOU ADVOCATING FOR IT? DO YOU WANT IT, IS IT SOMETHING YOU THINK WILL GET THAT 240,000 BACK? I, I'M NOT SURE.

I MEAN, I CAN'T, WE HAVE AN ANSWER.

LET, LET'S MAKE THAT CLEAR, SIR.

YOU PROBABLY WILL NOT GET BACK PAYING DOUBLE THE COST.

I WANTED AN ANSWER.

YEAH, I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE TO PAY THOSE PILOTS A LOT.

WELL, THE, THE DATA HAS TO KEEP BEING REFRESHED AND IT HAS TO BE, AND WE DIDN'T EVEN GET A PRICE ON THAT.

UH, IT'S JUST GONNA BE LIKE AN EVERY OTHER YEAR, UM, THING.

WELL, I THINK YOU SAID THAT, UH, THAT YOU, YOU, YOU TAKE THE AERIAL IMAGERY AND IT SHOULD BE GOOD FOR ABOUT 10 YEARS.

NO, NO, IT NEEDS TO, IT'S, I THINK IT WAS AN EVERY OTHER YEAR

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ACTUALLY.

IT'S A SUBSCRIPTION.

SO YOU CAN CHOOSE TO UPDATE IT OR NOT UPDATE IT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE NOT UPDATING AERIAL IMAGERY, THEN YOU MIGHT AS WELL USE GOOGLE.

I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S THAT SOME, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES I'M SURPRISED AT HOW, SOMETIMES I'M SURPRISED AT HOW UPDATED GOOGLE IS, BUT OTHER TIMES THEY'RE LIKE, WOW, SO YOU CAN TELL WHAT'S WRONG AND WHAT'S NOT.

SO THERE ARE OTHER USES FOR IT AS FAR AS AN ASSESSMENT BECAUSE YOU CAN HAVE LIKE GO BACK IN TIME AND SEE WHERE IT WAS.

THIS IS VERY USEFUL FOR THE ZONING PEOPLE WHEN THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE, WAS THIS BUILDING THERE AND ESTABLISHING A USE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO YOU CAN GO BACK IN TIME.

AND THEN ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WOULD SAVE MONEY DOWN THE ROAD, IF YOU, IF YOU DID CHOOSE TO DO IT NOW THEY CAN DO SOMETHING CALLED CHANGE FINDER.

SO THEY WOULD COMPARE THIS, THE, THE IMAGERY FROM THIS YEAR VERSUS THE ONE IN TWO YEARS FROM NOW AND THEY CAN OVERLAY THEM AND THEY HAVE A COMPUTER PROGRAM THAT FLAGS A PARCEL THAT SAYS, OKAY, THERE'S A BUILDING HERE ON THE NEW ONE THAT WASN'T, OR THERE'S A BUILDING THAT'S BEEN TORN DOWN AND THEY GIVE US A LIST AND THEN WE CAN KIND OF JUST FOCUS OUR EFFORTS TO GO AND DO THOSE THINGS AND VERIFY THOSE THINGS.

AND THAT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY I, I WANT THE COUNTY TO WIN.

I WANT TO WIN TOO.

SO I WOULD, IF, IF THAT WAS A SCENARIO, I COULD USE THAT AND, YOU KNOW, PASS THE SAVINGS ONTO YOU GUYS AS WELL, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS HAVING A LIST TO GO OUT AND GET, JUST DO THESE PARCELS VERSUS GOING TO ALL OF THEM OR WHATEVER.

SO, AND HERE'S ANOTHER QUESTION FOR YOU MRS. SAUERS.

UM, ARE THERE HOMES, LIKE ENTIRE HOMES THAT ARE OFF THE SYSTEM THAT THAT WOULD BE DETECTED BY THIS TYPE OF THING? YEAH.

WELL THERE'S HOMES THAT YOU CAN'T GET TO WHEN YOU GO DO FIELD WORK.

WELL, I MEAN, IF THERE'S A HUNDRED ACRES AND IT'S FORESTED AND, AND THERE WASN'T A HOME THERE BEFORE, COULD SOMEBODY BUILD A, ARE THERE, LIKE, IS THERE A REASON TO BELIEVE THERE WERE EITHER DOZENS OR MORE HOMES THAT ARE NOT KNOWN BY THE COUNTY THAT WERE MISSING OUT ON HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF LEGITIMATE PROPERTY TAX REVENUE? I DON'T THINK THERE'S A DOZEN.

NO.

WELL THEN THERE MIGHT BE ONE HERE AND THERE, THERE WAS ONE ON CAT MOUNTAIN.

WELL, I MEAN THAT'S THE, THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING.

MAKE SURE WE KNOW.

JUST GETTING AT WHAT, WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE BUYING FOR $240,000.

THAT'S, WE, WE DID A, A PROJECT FOR FAHE WITH, WITH FAHE COUNTY AND IT WAS DURING COVID, SO WE ACTUALLY STARTED GOING DOOR KNOCKING AND WE HAD TO SWITCH 'CAUSE YOU COULDN'T DURING COVID SHOW UP AT SOMEBODY'S HOUSE TO DO THE ASSESSMENT.

BUT THEY ALREADY HAD THE EAGLE VIEW, SO WE SWITCHED TO DOING THAT.

AND I BELIEVE WE FOUND FOUR HOUSES.

EXACTLY.

FOUR.

I WAS ASKING MY SON IF HE REMEMBERED HOW MANY, BUT WELL, THAT'D BE $8,000 OF PROPERTY TAX.

SO YEAH, THAT WOULDN'T, WOULDN'T DO IT FOR US, YOU KNOW, SO.

I THINK I'M OH, OH, OH, I DO, I DO HAVE ONE THING I WOULD LIKE, UH, SOME KIND OF COMMITMENT THAT A, AN APPOINTMENT LOG THAT IS INITIATED BY YOU GETS SHARED WITH THE COUNTY.

SO THE COUNTY COULD HAVE DISCLOSED TO IT ALL THE APPOINTMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE.

SO WE, THE COUNTY WOULD KNOW WHAT APPOINTMENTS WEREN'T MADE.

'CAUSE, BECAUSE WHEN A CITIZEN COMES SAYS, I MADE APPOINTMENT, I MADE TWO APPOINTMENTS AND I DIDN'T GET, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO KNOW ON THE COUNTY SIDE, WAS THERE AN APPOINTMENT, WAS IT MADE AND NOT HAVE, YOU KNOW, NEXT TIME AROUND CONSTITUENTS SAYING, WELL, I CALLED TWICE, THEY MISSED TWO, TWO ZOOM MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

JASON DID GIVE ME A SPREADSHEET ON THE ONES THAT YOU HAD.

SO I, I WOULD BE FINE STIPULATING THAT I WOULD USE SOMETHING CALLED CALENDY, C-A-L-E-D-Y.

YEAH, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THAT.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S LIKE WHAT I ALMOST DID THAT, I ALMOST HAD A TEAM DO THAT.

AND THEN, SO I WASN'T SURE HOW IT WOULD WORK DID EXPOSES THE, THE, THE, THE APPOINTMENTS BASICALLY.

SO I, THE, THE PROBLEM THAT I HAD WAS BEING ABLE TO HAVE MORE THAN ONE TIME SLOT FILLED WITH CALEND.

I THINK I'VE GOT IT FIGURED OUT.

SO WHERE YOU COULD HAVE TWO PEOPLE SHOW UP AT NINE 30.

BECAUSE YOU HAVE TWO PEOPLE WORKING THE APPEALS.

UH, THAT'S, THAT'S A STIPULATION I WANT, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF, IF VERBALLY FROM YOU THAT, THAT I HAVE NO PROB.

'CAUSE THAT'S, I'M PLANNING ON DOING THAT IN THE OTHER COUNTIES ALREADY.

MISSED APPOINTMENTS.

WELL, AND SOMETIMES IT WAS JUST THAT WE WERE BACK, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE SHOWED UP AND THEN I DON'T MEAN IN THE OFFICE, THEY DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO SIT AND WAIT BECAUSE WE WERE RUNNING THE YEAH, I DON'T MEAN IN THE OFFICE.

I JUST MEAN THAT THE NUMBER OF ZOOMS AND CALLS AND EVERYTHING.

I MEAN, IT'S JUST, IT JUST, IT NEEDS IMPROVEMENT AND, AND YES SIR.

THE ONE WAY TO DO IT IS TO HAVE THE COUNTY KNOW WHAT THE APPOINTMENT SHEET IS.

AND THEN WE'LL KNOW, YOU KNOW, AND WHEN PEOPLE SAY, WELL, I TRIED AND, AND I COULDN'T, SO, BECAUSE WHATEVER, IF EVEN IF IT WAS MISSED AND THERE CAN BE A LOT OF REASONS WHY IT'S MISSED IT, THEY NEED TO HAVE THAT CHANCE TO GET THAT, THAT COMMUNICATION.

SO YEAH, I, I WOULD BE HAVING NO, NO PROBLEM STIPULATING USING CALENDAR OR SIMILAR.

YOU ON THAT, YOU KNOW, AND BE A COMMUNICATION POINT FOR CITIZENS WHO MISSED AN APPOINTMENT THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THEY GET ANOTHER APPOINTMENT.

AND IT'D UP TO, TO TO, OH YEAH.

TO THE COMMISSIONER TO BASICALLY KEEP, KEEP

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NO PROBLEM WITH THAT AT ALL.

A ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? UM, I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT I HAD INTENDED TO, TO COVER.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU MS. HARRIS.

OKAY, NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS THE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

SO LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD SHALL BE LIMITED TO 60 MINUTES DIVIDED INTO TWO 30 MINUTE SEGMENTS.

THE FIRST 30 MINUTE PERIOD IS LIMITED TO COMMENTS PERTAINING TO ITEMS WHICH ARE ON THE MEETING AGENDA NOT ADDRESSED IN PUBLIC HEARINGS.

THE SECOND 30 MINUTE PERIOD IS FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS.

AS A REMINDER, THERE'S A MAXIMUM OF THREE MINUTES FOR ANY ONE SPEAKER.

SPEAKERS MAY ONLY SPEAK ONCE PER MEETING AND MAY NOT SPEAK DURING BOTH COMMENT PERIODS.

ALL COMMENTS WILL BE DIRECTED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND NOT TO THE AUDIENCE.

BE CONSIDERATE OF YOUR FELLOW SPEAKERS.

THERE SHOULD BE NO APPLAUSE, BOOING OR OTHER AUDIBLE DISRUPTIONS TO THE PROCEEDINGS.

THROUGH A SHOW OF HANDS, THE CHAIRMAN MAY ASK FOR A SHOW OF SUPPORT FOR COMMENTS MADE BY SPEAKERS.

PLACARDS, POSTERS, AND OTHER MEANS OF VISUAL DISPLAY WILL NOT BE PERMITTED IN THE BOARD MEETING ROOM.

THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE INFORMATION OR MATERIALS USED AS PART OF A FACTUAL PRESENTATION TO THE BOARD AT THE HEARING.

THE BOARD WILL NOT TOLERATE PERSONAL ATTACKS BY ANYONE ON ANY OF THE PARTICIPANTS IN THE PROCEEDINGS.

ANYONE WHO VIOLATES THE GUIDELINES OF THE PUBLIC HEARING MAY BE ASKED TO LEAVE BY THE CHAIRMAN.

FAILURE TO LEAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING WHEN ASKED TO DO SO IS IN VIOLATION OF WARREN COUNTY CODE 50 56 DASH FOUR AND VIRGINIA CODE ONE EIGHT, UH, 18.2 DASH FOUR 15 AND IS SUBJECT TO A FINE OF UP TO $2,500 AND A JAIL SENTENCE OF UP TO 12 MONTHS OR BOTH.

FINALLY, PLEASE REFRAIN FROM USING INAPPROPRIATE UH, LANGUAGE IN YOUR COMMENTS.

YOUNG CHILDREN MAY BE VIEWING THIS SESSION EITHER IN PERSON OR LATER ONLINE, AND PEOPLE WILL PROBABLY HAVE LESS TENDENCY TO TAKE YOUR COMMENTS SERIOUSLY IF INAPPROPRIATE LANGUAGE IS USED.

THANK YOU FOR COOPER COOPERATION.

ZACH, DO WE HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR COMMENTS, UH, FOR ANYTHING ON THE AGENDA? UH, NO SIR.

NOT FOR THIS ONE.

SO THE, UM, SO WE'LL BEGIN WITH BOARD MEMBERS, UH, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND COUNTY ATTORNEY.

SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE, UH, NEXT THING.

UH OH.

MR. MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS, BUT TYPICALLY YOU ASK THE AUDIENCE IF THEY THAT YOU'RE RIGHT.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING TO, TO, UM, AND THANK YOU FOR REMINDING ME OF THAT.

UH, DOES ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE, UH, WANT TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS ON, UH, ANY ISSUES THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA? SECOND CALL, THIRD CALL.

THE FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IS CLOSED.

[E. Reports - Board Members, County Administrator, County Attorney]

UH, COMMENTS.

MS. COOK? THANK YOU.

I'LL JUST TRY TO KEEP THE SHIRT AND SWEET.

UM, LAST WEEK, UH, UH, MR. JAMESON AND I, UH, HAD A JOINT SCHOOL BOARD BUDGET MEETING WHERE WE, UH, KIND OF CAME TO THE MEETING OF THE MINDS OF WHAT PRIORITIES ARE.

UM, ALSO, UM, I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, LAST WEEK WE HAD OUR RECRUITER CAME AND, YOU KNOW, DID A STATUS UPDATE AND JUST WANTED TO JUST SAY, YEP, I, THEY CALLED ME, UH, FOR MY ASSESSMENT OF NOT SO MUCH MY ASSESSMENT, BUT WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR FOR A NEW COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.

AND THEN ON THURSDAY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A FOLLOW UP ON SCHOOL BOARD JOINT BUDGET MEETING ON THURSDAY, MR. JAMISON AND I.

SO, UM, BUT THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

THEN I DON'T REMEMBER WHICH DAY THAT WAS.

THANK YOU MS. CALLERS.

UH, YES.

UM, APRIL 17TH ATTENDED THE NORTHERN SHADO VALLEY REGIONAL COMMISSION.

AND, UM, AT THAT MEETING WE, THERE WAS CONVERSATION ABOUT A HOUSING PROJECT THAT THEY'RE, UM, DOING WITH A GRANT, PARTLY WITH A GRANT, UH, FOR, UM, THE ZERO PACK PLANT ON THE NORTH END OF WINCHESTER.

UM, AT THAT TIME I ASKED IF THERE, UM, WAS ANY CHANCE OF SOMETHING SIMILAR THAT, BUT ON A SMALLER SCALE BE DONE TO, UM, MITIGATE SOME OF THE DERELICT HOUSING AND SO FORTH THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH, UM, OR TRYING TO DEAL WITH HERE.

UM,

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I MET WITH, UH, UH, MR. BEAM, OUR BUILDING INSPECTOR, INSPECTOR, UH, CHIEF MATTA AND JOHN MARTZ FROM DSS TO DISCUSS THE, UM, HOUSING ISSUE AND THE, UM, DILAPIDATED BUILDINGS AND SO FORTH.

AND I BROUGHT THAT UP.

THAT'S AN ONGOING CONVERSATION.

WE'RE GONNA REACH OUT TO OTHER, UM, UH, STAKEHOLDERS IN THE COMMUNITY TO FURTHER THAT DISCUSSION.

THAT'S, IT'S, THAT'S A HARD THING TO SOLVE.

YOU KNOW, IN ORDER TO FIX PLACES UP, YOU DISPLACE PEOPLE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WHERE DO YOU PUT THEM IN THE MEANTIME? SO, FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT, ON APRIL 18TH, I MET WITH THE OWNER OF THE NEW, OWNER OF THE OLD RIVER VERMONT FIRE HALL AND TOOK A TOUR, GOT A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT HIS INTENTIONS THERE WERE.

UM, LATER THAT EVENING, I ATTENDED THE EASTER PRESENTATION, BOW THE KNEE AT SKYLINE, THE CHURCH AT SKYLINE.

AND IF ANYBODY'S NEVER GONE TO ONE OF THEIR PRESENTATIONS, IT'S, YOU'RE MISSING A, A GREAT OPPORTUNITY THERE.

21ST OF APRIL, I MET WITH CHIEF BONNO AND ASSISTANT CHIEF KO TO DISCUSS THE CHESTER GAP, UM, AGREEMENT.

AND, UM, APRIL 23RD ATTENDED THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT MEETING, WHICH WAS A REALLY GOOD MEETING.

WAS ABLE TO TALK TO VDOT ABOUT A CAMPING, UM, CUP THAT'S GONNA BE COMING UP AT SOME POINT.

AND, UM, LATER THAT DAY, ATTENDED THE RECOVERY COURT, UM, MEETING.

AND THERE ARE FIVE, UM, POSSIBLE GRADS IN THE WORK FROM THAT PROGRAM.

LATER THAT EVENING, ATTENDED THE SCHOOL BOARD MEETING APRIL 25TH, I ATTENDED SCOTLAND HIGH SCHOOL'S MORALE BOOSTER FUNDRAISER.

AND THAT WAS A, A FUN EASY, THEY, UM, USED THE FUNDS TO DO MORALE BOOSTING THINGS FOR THE STUDENTS.

IF THEY HAVE GOOD ATTENDANCE, UM, THEY GET PRIZES AND SO FORTH.

IT'S, IT'S A GOOD PROGRAM.

UM, THE 26TH I ATTENDED THE SAMUEL'S LIBRARY TASTE FOR BOOKS AND THAT WAS A FANTASTIC EVENING.

A LOT OF PEOPLE, I THINK THEY, UM, HAD SOLD OVER 400 TICKETS TO THAT ON THE 27TH I ATTENDED THE LONE PINE EARTH DAY EVENT.

UM, ANOTHER, UH, VERY GOOD EVENT.

I THINK THERE WERE MORE VENDORS THERE THIS YEAR THAN EVER ON THE 28TH.

28TH IS WHEN I HAD THE MEETING WITH DAVID BEAM AND JOHN MARTS AND JE MADO ABOUT THE HOUSING.

AND LATER THAT DAY I ATTENDED THE PAL THAT'S POLICE ATHLETIC LEAGUE, UM, THAT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IS PUTTING ON.

WE'RE TRYING TO GET THAT OFF THE GROUND AND, UM, A LOT OF GOOD IDEAS AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE YOUTH IN THE, UM, COUNTY.

SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING THAT ROLLING OUT FOR THE KIDS.

UH, THEN I ATTENDED THE TOWN COUNCIL MEETING LATER THAT EVENING, 29TH.

I DID MY INTERVIEW WITH THE RECRUITER.

UM, AND THEN ON THE 30TH I MET WITH RESIDENTS IN MY AREA ABOUT THE CUP FOR THE CAMPGROUND.

HAD DISCUSSION ON THAT.

UM, LATER ATTENDED THE WARREN COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS ANNUAL BANQUET AND WHERE THE, UM, STAFF, AND I KNOW I'M TAKING A LOT OF TIME, BUT I THINK THEY'RE WORTH MENTIONING TEACHERS OF THE YEAR FOR E WILSON MAR SCHOOL.

THE TEACHER WAS VICTORIA AL AND THE SUPPORT STAFF, UH, WAS JENNIFER KUHN FOR SKYLINE MIDDLE SCHOOL.

THE TEACHER WAS EMILY WHITAKER AND SUPPORT STAFF WAS, UM, MR. JUSTIN CORBIN, BLUE RIDGE TECHNICAL.

UM, MR. MICHAEL ABEL WAS THE TEACHER OF THE YEAR.

AND THE SUPPORT STAFF WAS ANNA WALTON, WARREN COUNTY HIGH SCHOOL.

I MAY SAY HIS NAME WRONG.

UH, THE TEACHER WAS ERIC BRIT.

SUPPORT TA STAFF WAS TAMMY STRICKLAND, HILDA J BARBER SCHOOL.

UM, NICOLE INGLER AND SUPPORT STAFF WAS TERRY TANNER.

UH, LESLIE FOX KAISER.

THE TEACHER WAS ALEXANDRA WALL AND THE SUPPORT STAFF WAS CHASTITY JENKINS.

LET'S SEE, WARREN COUNTY MIDDLE SCHOOL.

UM, MRS. HALEY GROVE WAS TEACHER OF THE YEAR.

SUPPORT STAFF WAS THERESA FLEXNER, THE DIVERSIFIED MINES.

EMMA FORRESTER WAS THE TEACHER OF THE YEAR.

AND CASEY STEWART WAS SUPPORT STAFF AS RHODES ELEMENTARY.

CHARITY LEASE WAS TEACHER OF THE YEAR.

AND SUPPORT STAFF WAS MARISSA MUNSON, TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT.

UM, JERRY SMITH, WHO IS THE, UM, IN CHARGE OF MAINTENANCE WITH THE BUSES FACILITIES, UM, WAS JOHN LOCK, LOCK.

LITTLE LOCKHART OF ALL NAMES TO SKIP OVER.

WE'VE BEEN FRIENDS SINCE WE WERE KIDS.

UM, RESTY JEFFRIES ELEMENTARY, MS. HALEY CHADWELL, TEACHER OF THE YEAR.

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AND CAROL VOS WITH SUPPORT STAFF.

AND CAROL'S BEEN AT THE SCHOOL FOR OVER 40 YEARS.

SHE'S RETIRING THIS YEAR.

SKYLIN HIGH SCHOOL WAS ROBIN JENKINS, TEACHER OF THE YEAR AND ALICIA BOYLES.

AND THEN THE GRAND TEACHER FOR THE WHOLE SYSTEM WAS HALEY GROVES AND THE SUPPORT STAFF WAS CHARITY JENKINS.

AND THIS WEEK IS NATIONAL TEACHER APPRECIATION AND NATIONAL, UM, NURSES.

SO CHARITY IS SCHOOL NURSE AT LFK.

AND SO I WANTED TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO ALL THE NURSES AND THE TEACHERS FOR THEIR WEEK.

UM, ON MAY 1ST I ATTENDED SKYLINE HIGH SCHOOL'S, FFA ANNUAL BANQUET.

UH, THOSE KIDS ARE JUST DOING A LOT OF FANTASTIC WORK THERE.

AND THEN, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'D LIKE TO GIVE MY THOUGHTS.

THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH, BACK AND FORTH ON DATA CENTERS AND I JUST WANTED TO SHARE MY THOUGHTS AND STAND ON DATA CENTERS.

AND I THINK I'VE MADE THOSE PRETTY PLAIN OVER THE YEARS.

BUT I'VE HAD MANY CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE THAT HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF AND WORK IN THE DATA CENTER WORLD.

AND AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL TO REPRESENT MY COMMUNITY, I HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO BE OPEN-MINDED TO EVERYTHING BROUGHT BEFORE THIS BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR CONSIDERATION.

I DO MY HOMEWORK AND I WENT TO PRINCE WILLIAM COUNTY AND LOUDOUN COUNTY TO SEE WHAT DATA CENTER FOOTPRINT LOOKED LIKE AND TO EVALUATE FOR MYSELF THE NOISE LEVEL CONCERNS.

AND I RECENTLY, UM, HAD A CONVERSATION WITH, UH, SOMEONE IN THE KNOW THERE'S THE ELECTRIC COMPANY CANNOT KEEP SUPPORTING ALL THESE DATA CENTERS.

SO I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT A WHOLE LOT MORE OF THEM COMING BECAUSE THE ELECTRIC SUPPLY IS JUST NOT THERE.

SO THEN STILL TILL THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF THAT GETS UP, UM, THE SUPPORT FOR THE DATA CENTER IS ELECTRICAL IS, IS LACKING.

AND THE MAGIC NUMBER TO GET ANY ITEM PASSED ON THIS BOARD IS THREE.

AND I DON'T BELIEVE ANYONE WILL REACH THE MAGIC NUMBER TO APPROVE A DATA CENTER IN WARREN COUNTY.

UM, 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK THERE'S THREE ON THIS BOARD THAT'S GONNA SUPPORT IT AT THIS TIME.

I MAY BE WRONG, BUT IN CONVERSATIONS.

SO I FEEL LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF CHICKEN LITTLE OUT THERE SHOUTING, DATA CENTERS ARE COMING, DATA CENTERS COMING.

I THINK EVERYBODY JUST NEEDS TO CALM DOWN BECAUSE I DON'T THINK DATA CENTERS ARE COMING THAT FAST.

UM, AND TOURISM IS ANOTHER ONE.

AND I THINK EVERYBODY'S AWARE.

WE STARTED UP OUR TOURISM COMMITTEE AGAIN AND ACTUALLY HAVE INTERVIEWS TOMORROW TO, UM, TRY TO GET A TOURISM DIRECTOR.

AND WE'VE BEEN MEETING, UH, NOW FOR SEVERAL MONTHS TRYING TO, UM, A GOOD GROUP OF LOCAL BUSINESS LEADERS, UM, THAT HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN THE COMMUNITY AND, UM, BUILDING A FOUNDATION OF IDEAS AND SO FORTH SO THAT WE COULD HAND IT TO A DIRECTOR WHEN THEY COME IN.

UM, AND I WAS KIND OF SURPRISED WHEN MR. JAMESON GOT UP AND TALKED BECAUSE I HAD NO IDEA THAT THERE WAS ANOTHER THOUGHT GOING AROUND.

AND I KIND OF FELT OUT OF RESPECT THAT THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PRESENTED TO THE COM, THE TOURISM COMMITTEE, UM, TO BE A PART OF THAT.

SO I WAS KIND OF SURPRISED ABOUT THAT.

BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE TOURISM, WE NEED TOURISM AND I WANT TOURISM SOME, BUT WE HAVE TO DO IT IN A, IN A WAY.

AND I I OFTEN SAY IF YOU'RE GONNA SELL YOUR HOUSE, YOU DON'T JUST PUT YOUR HOUSE ON THE MARKET AND NOT SPRUCE IT UP A LITTLE BIT.

AND I THINK BEFORE WE DIVE TO HEADLONG, WE HAVE TO SPRUCE OUR COMMUNITY UP AND GET IT ON THE RIGHT TRACK TOO.

THIS COMMUNITY IS DIVIDED IN A WAY I'VE NEVER SEEN AND I'VE BEEN HERE MY WHOLE LIFE AND I WANT TOWARDS THEM TO BE SUCCESSFUL AND BRING REVENUE INTO OUR COMMUNITY.

AND WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER.

IF WE WANNA BRING GOOD ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY INDUSTRY AND COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES SUCH AS ANOTHER GROCERY STORE OR CLOTHING STORE ALSO, UM, WE HAVE TO STOP THIS CONSTANT NEGATIVE NARRATIVE TAKING PLACE.

UM, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO AGREE TO DISAGREE AND THE MISINFORMATION AND OUTRIGHT LIES ARE DESTROYING THIS COMMUNITY AND THE POSITIVE OPPORTUNITIES WE ALL SAY WE WANT.

UM, THE OTHER ISSUE, UM, IS, UM, THE RECENT POST ABOUT CONTAMINATION AND ABOUT THIS BOARD SHOULD HAVE KNOWN ABOUT IT, OF THE, UM, THE RIVER.

AND I LIVE ON THE SOUTH WORK OF THE CHANDLE RIVER.

I LOOK OUT MY WINDOW EVERY DAY AND LOOK AT IT.

UM, OUR FAMILY, ONE CONSERVATION FARMER OF THE YEAR IN 2010, FOR OUR EFFORTS TO PROTECT THE STREAMS, THE RIVER AND THE WET WEATHER STREAMS. UM, THE REVENUE, THE RIVER'S NOT OUR ONLY OUR INVALUABLE RESOURCE FOR OUR DRINKING WATER, BUT IT'S THE RECREATIONAL USE AS WELL.

AND THIS BOARD HAS HEARD FOR SEVERAL YEARS DURING BUDGET SEASON, UM, THERE'S A, A LADY THAT COMES IN, SHE TESTS

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THE WATER AND SHE'S BEEN TELLING US FOR YEARS NOW HIGH LEVELS OF E COLI AT MORGANS FORD BRIDGE.

AND YEAR AFTER YEAR I'VE ASKED HER WHERE IT'S COMING FROM AND WHAT SHE'S DOING TO ERADICATE IT.

AND I DON'T GET ANY ANSWERS ON THAT.

UM, THE DISCUSSION WAS, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT WAS FROM LIVESTOCK, WHETHER IT WAS HUMAN, SHE DOESN'T TEST THE DIFFERENCE THERE.

SO, UM, AFTER SEEING THE RECENT ARTICLES ABOUT THE POSS, THE DEQ WITH KIRSTEN AND COLLEGE, I KNOW THEY ASKED TO COME TO OUR TOURISM MEETING, UH, TOUR NOT TOURISM, TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE WITH THE TOWN, UM, TO SEE ABOUT THE FEASIBILITY OF IMPROVING WHAT THEY SAID WAS THEIR AGE SYSTEM OR HOOKING INTO THE TOWN.

UM, NEVER HEARD ANYTHING AT THAT POINT ABOUT ANY PROBLEMS WITH DEQ OR DISCHARGE INTO THE RIVER.

SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE THAT AS FAR AS I, FROM THE BOARD, I KNEW THERE WERE HIGH LEVELS OF E COLI, BUT NEVER HEARD WHERE IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE COMING FROM AND REALLY NEVER GOT A GOOD ANSWER OF WHAT THAT TESTER WAS DOING TO IMPROVE THAT ISSUE.

SO I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT OUT FOR TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY ON THIS PART.

AND THAT'S MY REPORT.

THANK YOU DR.

JAMISON.

I, UH, ALSO ATTENDED THAT JOINT SCHOOL BOARD MEET, UH, BUDGET MEETING AND BASICALLY GOT TO, UH, SEE WHAT THE LAYOUT OF THE SCHOOL BOARD'S PRIORITIES ARE IN TERMS OR THE BUDGET COMMITTEE'S PRIORITIES ARE IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY WANT TO GET FUNDED, UM, TOWARD THE E WILSON MORRISON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL WITH DR.

FUNK AND DR.

BALLINGER.

AND I SAW THE CHILDREN COMING IN IN THE MORNING GETTING THEIR BREAKFAST AND, AND STARTING THEIR DAY.

UM, I ALSO ENTERED, HAD THE INTERVIEW WITH THE RECRUITER, UH, LAST OR APRIL 29TH.

UH, AND ON MAY 1ST I WENT ON THE TOWN TALK AND I, I, UH, DISCUSSED AND EXPANDED ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

I HAD PRESENTED THE PRIOR WEEK.

UM, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, I APOLOGIZE THAT, THAT, THAT THERE WAS ANY OFFENSE TAKEN.

I THINK THAT, UH, THE, THE ADDRESS THAT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE IS FAIRLY BROAD IN TERMS OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

UM, I I DIDN'T INTEND TO SIDESTEP OR SIDETRACK.

I THINK TOURISM IS, IS VITALLY IMPORTANT AS I'VE I'VE BEEN SAYING.

UM, BUT I DO THINK IT'S, IT'S, THERE'S AN UMBRELLA AND, AND, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO BE DOING FAIRLY BROADLY.

AND THAT I, I'VE IDENTIFIED, I THINK DO THINK TOURISM VERY IMPORTANT INSIDE OF THAT.

UM, ANOTHER THING I I DID IS, UH, I EMPHASIZED THAT, UH, DURING MY TALK WITH, UH, MR. MCCOY, I'M NOT ADVANCING DEBT-BASED IDEAS.

SO THERE ARE, THERE, YOU KNOW, I THINK SOME PEOPLE JUMPED TO CONCLUSIONS REALLY QUICKLY, UH, THAT THIS IS JUST GONNA BE A BIG PUBLIC DEBT.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY NOT THE WAY I HAD PHRASED IT.

AND THE OTHER THING I, I POINTED OUT WAS I'M NOT WRITING PRESCRIPTIONS, I'M JUST SUGGESTING A PROCESS, UM, TO HELP GET THINGS MOVING IN A POSITIVE DIRECTION, UM, LOOKING AT SOME POTENTIAL CANDIDATES AND, UH, WHAT I TRY TO DESCRIBE AS A PROCESS THAT WOULD ALLOW THOSE TO SORT OF START GETTING AIRED OUT.

MAYBE THEY'VE COME TO FRUITION, MAYBE THEY WOULDN'T.

UM, BUT I'M DEFINITELY NOT, UH, I'M APPROACHING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN GENERAL FROM A DEBT CONSCIOUS POINT OF VIEW.

UH, FINALLY I DID HAVE AN, I HAD AN EXPRESSION OF INTEREST FROM A HOMESTEADER ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO, TO GET A WORKING GROUP STARTED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE IDEA OF ESTABLISHING A FARM STAND HUB, UM, ON, ON VACANT LAND, UH, THAT THE COUNTY HAS AT THE NORTH END UP ON RELIANCE ROAD.

AND I'M GONNA TRY TO FACILITATE THAT, TRY TO GET PEOPLE TOGETHER, AND I WANT ANYONE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ABLE TO HEAR NOW, OR, OR WATCH THE TAPE THAT IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN THIS IDEA AND WOULD LIKE TO LEARN ABOUT IT OR CAN MAYBE CONTRIBUTE TO IT, COULD REACH ME.

UM, AND I'LL TRY TO GET PEOPLE TOGETHER FOR IT.

RIVER, UH, UH, MAY 17TH, THERE'S A SHENANDOAH RIVER CLEANUP, UM, AT, UH, SHENANDOAH FARMS. UH, AND ANYONE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIVE THERE, ANYONE CAN, CAN HELP WITH THAT.

THANK YOU DR.

JAMESON.

AND, UH, LAST BUT NOT LEAST WELL NEXT IS, UH, IS MR. MEYER.

I'M HAPPY TO BE LEASED IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

WELL, ACTUALLY, I'LL BE THE LEAST, SO I'LL BE THE LAST, UM, UH, LET'S SEE.

CONSTITUENT ISSUES I'VE BEEN WORKING ON RECENTLY HAVE INCLUDED, UH, DELINQUENT TAXES FOR ONE CONSTITUENT WHOSE HOME IS, IS AT RISK, UM, AND TRYING TO HELP THEM THROUGH THAT.

UM, A, A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT CONCERN IN ROCKLAND, UM, REGARDING THE DEQ ISSUE THAT, UH, THAT MS. CALLERS MENTIONED.

UH, I'VE LEARNED OF THAT YESTERDAY AND HAVE, UM, SENT SOME QUESTIONS TO DEQ AS, AS WELL AS TO THE COLLEGE ABOUT THAT.

UM, UH, HOPING TO FIND OUT MORE, ALTHOUGH FRANKLY, IT'S, IT'S NOT IN OUR AUTHORITY.

IT'S OUR, IT'S A STATE ISSUE, BUT I STILL WANNA BE ABLE TO, TO GIVE, UH, ANSWERS TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE QUESTIONS.

UM, LET'S SEE.

UH, SPEAKING OF THE

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IT'S SATURDAY, MAY 17TH FROM 9:00 AM TO NOON.

AND, UH, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, YOU MEET AT 9:00 AM SHARP AT THE SHERA SHE FARMS COMMUNITY BUILDING, WHICH IS THE LITTLE WHITE HOUSE RIGHT OFF VILLE ROAD NEAR THE COUNTY LINE WITH CLARK COUNTY.

UM, THAT'S MAY 17TH.

UM, LASTLY, UH, I FOUND OUT THAT MAY IS NATIONAL BIKE MONTH.

UM, I'VE BEEN NOTICING A LOT MORE BIKERS ALL OF A SUDDEN WITH THE NICE WEATHER CYCLISTS, I SHOULD SAY.

UM, UH, BOTH IN MY AREA AND ALSO IN OTHER SCENIC ROADS LIKE DALE ROAD AND SO FORTH.

SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY SHARE THE ROAD.

UM, TOMORROW IS ACTUALLY, UH, BIKE TO SCHOOL DAY.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE A LOT OF THAT IN THIS COUNTY.

PROBABLY NOT, BUT, BUT, UH, I THINK EVERY DAY SHARE THE ROAD.

UH, UH, AND, UH, THAT'S ALL FROM OUR REPORT.

I JUST WANTED TO, TO ADD SOMETHING INTO WHAT MS. COLORERS WAS SAYING.

YOU KNOW, THE, UH, IF YOU GO OVER TO NORTHERN VIRGINIA, UH, THEY'VE CREATED THIS BIG ZOO OVER THERE, AND IT'S FULL OF WHITE ELEPHANTS THAT THEY'RE CALLED DATA CENTERS.

AND, UH, AND I SEE THAT, UH, THESE THINGS ARE GONNA BE, UH, JUST, I, I THINK THEY'RE GONNA BE HUGE EYESORE IN 20 YEARS WHEN DATA CENTERS WILL SHRINK DOWN TO THE SIZE OF, UH, UH, SOMETHING LIKE, UH, THE, THE SIZE OF THIS ROOM, BECAUSE THEY'RE CONSTANTLY GETTING SMALLER AND SMALLER.

AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, THE, THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT THESE THINGS USE, UH, IS, IS TREMENDOUS.

SO THAT WOULD REALLY CONCERN ME THAT, UH, THAT IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, HELP LOWER THE, THE, THE WATER TABLE IN THIS AREA.

SO I'M, I'M DEFINITELY NOT FOR DATA CENTERS, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY, UH, I WAS WATCHING, UM, UH, FOX BUSINESS NEWS THIS MORNING AND THEY HAD GOVERNOR YOUNGIN ON THERE, AND HE WAS TOUTING ABOUT HOW GREAT DATA CENTERS ARE, AND THAT, UH, THE FACT THAT, UH, OF VIRGINIA, UH, IS THE DATA CENTER CAPITAL OF THE WORLD.

I DIDN'T KNOW THIS, BUT, UH, BUT THERE'S MORE DATA CENTERS HERE AND THERE'S MORE DATA THAT FLOWS THROUGH NORTH NORTHERN VIRGINIA THAN FLOWS THROUGH JUST ABOUT ANY OTHER PART OF THE WORLD.

BUT STILL, YOU KNOW, I, I JUST SEE THAT, UH, THAT I DON'T THINK THAT DATA CENTERS WOULD BE A, A, A GOOD THING TO HAVE HERE.

UH, SO I'M, I'M DEFINITELY ON, UH, UH, ON THE SAME WAVELENGTH AS, UH, AS MS. COLORS.

SO THE, UH, LAST THING IS, I JUST WANNA PUT A PLUG IN FOR THE, UH, UH, UH, FRONT ROYAL WARREN COUNTY AIRPORT.

WE'VE GOT, UH, WINGS AND WHEELS THAT WILL, WILL BE SPONSORED, SPONSORED BY FRIENDS OF, UH, THE FRONT ROYAL WARREN COUNTY AIRPORT THIS COMING WEEKEND FROM NINE TO THREE.

SO, UH, IF YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO OUT THERE, PLEASE DO SO.

'CAUSE, UH, I THINK THAT IT WILL PROVE TO BE, UM, UH, QUITE AN EVENT.

UH, THEY JUST HAD A, UH, AN AIR SHOW OVER AT, UM, UH, UH, OVER IN WINCHESTER LAST MONTH.

IT WAS THE FIRST ONE SINCE 1972.

AND, UH, IT WAS, UH, IT WAS QUITE AN EVENT, BUT, UH, SO I JUST WANT TO ENCOURAGE FOLKS TO, TO GO OUT TO THE AIRPORT THIS COMING WEEKEND.

SO, DR.

DALEY, I HAVE NO ADDITIONAL REPORT, SIR.

I HAVE NO REPORT, MR. CHAIRMAN.

THANK, THANK YOU, MR. UM, IF I CAN JUST SAY ONE THING, UM, WE HAVE THE VDOT REPORT HERE, THE THINGS THAT VDOT HAS BEEN DOING, AND I JUST WANNA PUT A SHOUT OUT TO MR. CARTER AND HIS CREW.

UM, EVERY TIME I REACH OUT TO THEM ABOUT A CONSTITUENTS NEED, THEY'RE VERY RESPONSIVE.

SO I JUST WANNA JUST TO PUT THAT OUT THERE.

SO NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS THE, UM, APPROVAL OF MINUTES FOR, UH, APRIL THE 15TH.

[F. Approval of Minutes - April 15th 2025]

DO I HAVE ANY COMMENTS? NOPE.

NOT FOR ME.

I MOVE TO, SO DO I HAVE A MOTION I MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? APRIL 15TH IS PRESENTED.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

ROLL CALL MRS. COLORS? AYE.

EXCUSE ME, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, SIR.

UH, MR. HENDERSON REMINDED ME THAT YOU NEED TO CALL A SPECIAL MEETING NEXT FOR NEXT TUESDAY FOR THE HEARING.

FOR THE, UH, SIX O'CLOCK AT, UH, AT SIX O'CLOCK.

SO, SO WE WILL, WE WILL BE CALLING A SPECIAL MEETING NEXT, NEXT TUESDAY

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SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT.

SO THE, UH, NEXT ON THE, UH, AGENDA IS THE CONSENT AGENDA.

THANK YOU DR.

DALEY.

[G. Consent Agenda]

DO I HAVE A, ANY ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS TO THE CONSENT AGENDA OR DOES ANYBODY WANNA PULL ANYTHING FOR THAT? I'D LIKE TO PULL NUMBER THREE, PLEASE.

ANYTHING ELSE SAVE FOR OF, UM, ITEM G THREE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA OF, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CON UH, TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA? I MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH THE EXCEPTION OF NUMBER THREE, WHICH WE'RE POLLING.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

AYE MRS. COLORS? AYE.

SO THE, UM, UH, CONSENT AGENDA THAT IT'S A WARREN COUNTY OFFICE'S CLOSURE REQUEST BY KAYLA DA HUMAN RESOURCES MANAGER.

[G.3. Warren County Offices Closure Request - Kayla Darr, Human Resources Manager]

THE REASON I, UM, PULLED IT IS TWOFOLD.

I THOUGHT WE PULLED THIS OFF BACK AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR WHEN WE, UM, APPROVED THE CALENDAR, UH, FOR THESE THINGS BECAUSE IT, IT PRIMARIES ARE NOT, UM, AS TRAFFIC HEAVY AND THE DISRUPTION TO THE WORKDAY DIDN'T SEEM TO BE A NEED TO, TO CLOSE THE BUILDING.

SO THAT WAS ONE THING.

AND THE OTHER, IF WE'RE EXTENDING OUT THE, UM, TAX, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU PAY YOUR TAXES, THAT'S GONNA TAKE TWO DAYS AWAY.

'CAUSE YOU'VE GOT JUNETEENTH THAT WEEK, SO THAT'S GONNA BE TWO DAYS THAT WEEK THAT THIS BUILDING'S NOT GONNA BE OPEN FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO GET IN AND PAY THEIR TAXES.

SO I JUST, I, I JUST PERSONALLY, AND I, I JUST, I KNOW PEOPLE LIKE TO HAVE DAY OFF HATE TO, I MEAN, I'M GONNA BE THE BAD GUY FOR DOING THIS, BUT LOGICALLY MAKING SENSE, I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE THERE'S A NEED TO CLOSE THE BUILDING DOWN FOR THAT.

WE DIDN'T THINK WE WOULD HAVE A PRIMARY THIS COMING JUNE.

UM, WHEN WE SPOKE, I GUESS EARLY ON IN THE YEAR OR THE TAIL END OF 24, UM, WE WERE UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT IT PROBABLY WASN'T GONNA BE A, I HATE TO SAY AN IMPORTANT ELECTION.

UM, EVERY ELECTION'S IMPORTANT, BUT WE DIDN'T THINK WE WOULD HAVE A PRIMARY, AND THIS YEAR WE DO THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE A SIGNIFICANT PRIMARY.

UM, AND WE'RE ALREADY SEEING SOME TRACTION WITH THE EARLY VOTING.

SO WITH THAT, BECAUSE THIS ROOM AND OTHER SPOTS WITHIN THE BUILDING DO GET HEAVILY IMPACTED, UM, WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE BETTER TO BE CLOSED.

UM, WELL, AND I, I, I CAN SEE THAT, BUT I'VE ALSO BEEN IN THE LINE AT THE END OF THE HOLE TO PAY MY TAXES.

AND THAT DIDN'T DISRUPT THE WORKDAY.

AND THAT LINE WAS, I MEAN, I STOOD IN IT FOR LIKE AN HOUR ONE DAY.

UM, AND I, WHICH I KNEW WHEN I CAME TO DO THAT, I WAS PROBABLY GONNA STAND IN THE LINE.

BUT IF I JUST FEEL LIKE IF THAT DIDN'T DISRUPT IT ENOUGH TO CLOSE, HOW MUCH IS PEOPLE FLOWING IN AND OUT? IT'S NOT USUALLY NOVEMBER ELECTION.

YEAH, I CAN SEE WHERE THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM.

BUT, UM, AND WORKING THE POLLS LIKE I'VE BEEN DOING, IT'S, IT'S A FEW HERE.

IT'S A FEW THERE.

AND I, I MEAN, I JUST HAD TO MAKE MY THOUGHTS KNOWN ON THAT, SO THANK YOU.

WHAT, WHAT TYPE OF OF BUSINESS TRAFFIC DO YOU THINK THAT THAT, THAT THIS WILL CREATE, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE COUNTY BUILDING HERE? I DON'T KNOW.

I WAS GONNA SAY, I'LL LET DR.

DALEY SPEAK TO THE IMPACT.

THE PRIMARY REASON FOR EXTENDING THE DUE DATE UP UNTIL THE WEEK OF THE 23RD WAS BECAUSE OF THE, UH, JUNETEENTH, WHICH IS THE NATIONAL HOLIDAY AND THEN THE PRIMARY ELECTION WHEN WE FOUND OUT WE WERE GONNA HAVE THE ELECTION THERE.

UH, AND THEN THE TRAFFIC INTERMINGLES BACK AND FORTH AND, UM, CAN IT BE DONE? CAN THEY BOTH BE DONE? YES.

IS IT A GOOD IDEA? NO.

BUT IT, IT CAN BE DONE.

QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? SO DO I HAVE A MOTION? I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THEIR REQUEST TO CLOSE WARREN COUNTY OFFICES ON TUESDAY, JUNE 17TH, 2025 TO HOLD A PRIMARY ELECTION FOR GOVERNOR LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR ATTORNEY GENERAL OF VIRGINIA HOUSE OF DELEGATES AND LOCAL OFFICES.

ANY OTHER

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DO I HAVE A SECOND? BEFORE WE MOVE ON, I, I GUESS I NEED TO MAKE ONE POINT HERE IS THAT I THINK ELECTION INTEGRITY IS VERY IMPORTANT AND HAVING, UH, AN UH, A PRIMARY OR ANY ELECTION BEING DONE AND HAVING OTHER PUBLIC PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT OF THE BUILDING COULD JEOPARDIZE THE ELECTION INTEGRITY OF THE PRIMARY.

AND THAT IS WHY I AM VOTING FOR THIS.

BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THE ELECTORAL HAS THE CAPABILITY OF ASSURING PEOPLE DON'T JUST SHOW UP OR, YOU KNOW, LOOK OVER THEIR SHOULDERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO, INTO THIS.

AND, AND, AND AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S 15 PEOPLE OR 150 PEOPLE.

SO DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT.

ROLL CALL MRS. COLORS? NO.

[H. Contract Renewal Agreement for Reassessment Services with Cowen Services LLC - Sherry Sours - Sherry Sours, Commissioner of the Revenue]

SO LET ME SEE.

WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED THE CONSENT AGENDA AND WE'RE MOVING DOWN TO THE CONTRACT RENEWAL AGREEMENT FOR REASSESSMENT SERVICES.

UH, WE'VE ALREADY HAD A DISCUSSION ON IT.

IS THERE ANY MORE DISCUSSION? UM, I'M NOT SURE THIS NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED, BUT I, BECAUSE I COULD SIMPLY JUST MAKE THE MOTION, BUT I, BUT I, I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT THE ADDITIONAL $240,000 FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, PIXEL, UH, PHOTOGRAPHIC DATA IS, IS GONNA PAY OFF.

SO, UM, JUST IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS IT MORE, WE COULD DO THAT.

BUT OTHERWISE I I'M READY TO MAKE A, A MOTION.

WELL, THE ONLY COMMENT THAT I HAVE WITH THAT, WITH THE IMAGING, I MEAN, IT, IT DOES, IT, IT'S, IN MY OPINION, COULD BE MORE EFFICIENT USE OF PEOPLE, UH, TIME.

AND UM, ALSO IT'S, IT WE'RE JUST MOVING INTO THE 21ST CENTURY, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S IMAGING, IT'S IT'S SOFTWARE.

IT, IT'S GOING TO HELP, UH, BETTER ASSESS PROPERTIES.

UM, EITHER WAY YOU LOOK AT IT, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL HAVE SOME PEOPLE SAY, WELL, I DON'T WANT A PLANE FLYING OVER ME.

AND THEN YOU GOT OTHER PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WILL STILL HAVE ISSUES IF YOU GOT SOMEONE KNOCKING ON THE DOOR.

BUT I LOOK AT IT AS MORE A, AN ECON ECONOMY OF SCALE TYPE OF THING.

AND THIS, AND THE 200, 200,000, WHATEVER, TWO, FOUR OR 4 56 IS GONNA BE DIVIDED BETWEEN TWO, TWO, UM, FISCAL YEARS.

BUT, UM, I DON'T KNOW.

I, I JUST THINK THAT IT WOULD BE, IN MY OPINION, UM, BENEFICIAL BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH RIGHT NOW WE DON'T KNOW IF ANOTHER DEPARTMENT WOULD BE ABLE TO USE THE CAPABILITY OF THE SOFTWARE, BUT ONCE THEY, YOU KNOW, WE, ONCE THEY SEE THE CAPABILITY, OTHER DEPARTMENTS MIGHT GO, OH, THAT'S PRETTY COOL.

MAYBE, MAYBE I CAN TAG ONTO THIS.

OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S SCALE SCALABLE IN MY OPINION, TO BE HELPING OTHER DEPARTMENTS DO THEIR JOB AND, AND BE MORE EFFICIENT AT IT.

SO, BUT THAT'S MY OPINION.

UM, THANK YOU.

I'LL, I'LL JUST SAY THAT, UH, I DO THINK THERE'S POTENTIAL BENEFIT, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S ENOUGH BEEN ENOUGH PREPARATION AND ANALYSIS OF WHAT THE BENEFIT IS.

WHO, UH, WHO GAVE US THE PRESENTATION SAID THAT, UH, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE THAT HAD HAD THAT CAPABILITY, IT KIND OF, I GUESS IT WENT AWAY AND, AND, UH, OR IT'S, IT IS BEEN SUPERSEDED AND, UH, HE MENTIONED THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND THE, THE PLANNING D DEPARTMENT.

AND, AND IN TERMS OF THE, UH, OTHER DEPARTMENT'S USAGE, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY MAKE THEM AWARE OF IT AND THEN GO THROUGH SOME KIND OF PROCESS WHERE THEY COULD KIND OF MAYBE, UH, DO A, A SHORT STUDY SELF STUDY OR SOMETHING, WHETHER THEY, THEY WOULD LIKE THAT AND THEN MAYBE CONSIDER IT THE NEXT TIME.

BECAUSE I DO AGREE WITH THE, THE TECHNOLOGY MOVES ON AND UM, BUT AT THIS POINT I'M JUST, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE, SO SHERIFF KLEIN, COULD I PUT YOU ON THE SPOT AND ASK YOU FOR SOME INPUT ON THIS? IT'S THE DATA IMAGERY.

COULD, WOULD THAT BE ABLE TO HELP YOUR, YOUR, YOUR, UH, UH, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE? UH, I KNOW IT'S PUTTING YOU ON THE SPOT.

YOU WEREN'T HERE FOR THE, FOR THE PRESENTATION, BUT, UH, THE GENTLEMAN

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UH, WOULD YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU COULD ADD TO THAT? I MEAN, WE ARE KIND OF, UM, OWN DRONE PROGRAM FOR MAJOR CRIME SCENES AND SWAP CALLOUTS.

UM, I'M NOT SURE IF HIS IMAGERY IS, IF IT'S, UM, IT CAN POINT TO ONE POSITION, UM, WE'RE MORE ALIVE.

UM, THAT HELPS US IN OUR INVESTIGATION.

SO I DUNNO CAPABILITIES OF THAT, THAT I WOULD HAVE MORE INFORMATION ON THAT.

WELL WELL THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SHERIFF.

DIDN'T MEAN TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.

THAT'S OKAY.

UM, IF I COULD ASK DR.

DALEY A QUESTION, 'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA TRUST MY MATH HERE, BUT IN THE FIRST CONTRACT IT SAID WITH $125,000 DISCOUNT USING THE EAGLE VIEW THAT IT WOULD BE 4 56 3 30 75 AND DIVIDE THAT IN TWO BECAUSE IT'S SPLIT BETWEEN TWO YEARS.

CORRECT? YES MA'AM.

SO THAT'S 2 28, 1 65 30 8 CENTS ON THE SECOND ONE WITHOUT USING THE EAGLEVIEW OR WHICHEVER IT WAS TWO 17 250 CENTS.

AND SHE SAID THAT WE WOULD NEED TO PUT TO $21,000 FOR MAILING.

CORRECT? YES MA'AM.

SO THAT BRINGS THAT UP TO $238,200.

SO IT'S A DIFFERENTIATION OF WHAT, 10,000 AND SO DOLLARS? NO, IT'S UM, IT'S A DIFFERENCE OF 200 AND, UH, ALMOST 220 BECAUSE THIS ONE WOULD BECOME 2, 2 38 AND THE OTHER ONE IS 4 56.

WELL, BUT THEY SAID, OKAY, I GET THAT.

YEAH, I'M DIVIDING THAT'S YEP, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

I WAS DI THAT WAS ONE YEAR.

SO YOU DOUBLE IT.

SO THEN THAT'S JUST TO CLARIFY THAT THE 2 38 THAT MS COLOR IS TALKING ABOUT, THAT THAT ALSO IS GONNA BE DIVIDED BY INTO TWO YEARS MM-HMM .

THE RESULTS THAT YOU'D LIKE.

IS IT TOO LATE IN THE GAME OF MAYBE TABLING THIS AND HAVE A WORK SESSION? YEAH.

'CAUSE WHAT IS THE PRICE OF THE EAGLEVIEW? WE NEVER REALLY GOT A TOTAL PACKAGE PRICE FOR THAT.

WELL, UM, NUMBER ONE, YOU DEFINITELY CAN TABLE THIS AND DISCUSS IT.

UM, NUMBER TWO, UH, GOING BACK TO WHAT DR.

JAMESON SAID, UH, YOU HAVE A NEW SOFTWARE THAT YOU PUT IN THIS YEAR AND THEY'RE STILL FOOLING AROUND WITH IT AND TRYING TO GET THE BUGS OUT.

SO THE QUESTION BECOMES WHEN THESE TAX BILLS ARE GOING TO GET OUT AND YOU'VE ALREADY DELAYED IT TWO WEEKS FOR THIS YEAR.

NOW EAGLEVIEW IS ANOTHER SOFTWARE AND THAT HAS TO BE IN, AND THEN THAT HAS TO WORK WITH THE OTHER SOFTWARES.

AND THEN YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE PHOTO IMAGERY AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS MAY FIND A USE FOR IT.

BUT YOU ALSO HAD A DISCUSSION A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO ABOUT ANOTHER SOFTWARE PROGRAM THAT THEY'RE GOING TO START BACK IN THE COMMISSIONER'S OFFICE AND THEY'VE GOT TO INCORPORATE THAT.

HMM.

AND THEN YOU HAD THE FINANCE SOFTWARE THAT MRS. SCOTT, THE ADVISOR WHO WAS GOING TO COME IN THAT MRS. SCOTT WAS TALKING ABOUT, TO COME IN AND SHOW HOW TO CREATE NEW SOFTWARE PROGRAMS FOR ALL THE DEPARTMENTS.

NOW I TALK TO THE RECRUITER TOO, SO I WON'T BE HERE NEXT YEAR WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS, BUT THIS IS A GOOD YEAR FOR YOU TO GET THE ASSESSMENTS DONE, WORK ON GETTING A BETTER PROCESS FOR THE REVIEWS WHEN PEOPLE WANT TO COME IN AND APPEAL AND CONCENTRATE ON THAT.

AND THE SHORTER TIME YOU GIVE TO HAVE THE ASSESSMENT DONE, THEN THE SHORTER TIME YOU HAVE FOR THE APPEALS AND THEY ALL GET CRUNCHED UP TOGETHER AND YOU GET PEOPLE WHO CAN'T GET IN THERE BECAUSE NO, THERE'S NO MORE TIME.

YOU GOTTA JUST DO IT ON THE PHONE AND YOU DON'T GET

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IF YOU WANT MORE TIME FOR THE APPEALS, YOU HAVE TO GIVE THE ASSESSOR MORE TIME TO GET THE ASSESSMENTS DONE.

AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO GO OUT AND DO SOMETHING ELSE IN TWO YEARS, THAT'S GREAT.

AND YOU THEN YOU'VE GOT A LITTLE MORE EXPERIENCE AND KNOW WHAT IT'S THERE.

I, FIRST OF ALL, THAT'S AMAZING.

ALL THE FACTS YOU KEEP UP THERE.

I'M, I'M JUST AMAZED.

BUT I, I THINK THIS SOUNDS LIKE IT'S A NICE TO HAVE, BUT IT'S NOT A NEED TO HAVE.

AND ON TOP OF THAT, UM, THERE ARE ALL THESE OTHER SOFTWARE OPTIONS SWIRLING ABOUT AND WE PROBABLY DON'T WANT TO COMMIT TO, UM, EXTRA, YOU KNOW, EXTRA GRAVY ON TOP UNTIL, UNTIL WE ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT THE WHOLE MENU'S GONNA LOOK LIKE, UM, FOR THE BROADER ECOSYSTEM WITH, WITH REVENUE AND, UM, FINANCE AND EVERYTHING.

UM, BUT THEN LASTLY WAS THE IDEA OF, OF WHAT MR. COHEN WAS SAYING, OF THE, UM, INFERENTIAL VERSUS A PARAMETRIC ADJUSTMENTS.

AND I THINK THROWING IN A NEW FACTOR, LIKE THE AERIAL IMAGERY PUTS IT BACK IN INFERENTIAL TERRITORY WHERE YOU MIGHT GET THESE WILD SWINGS AGAIN.

UM, AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TO WORK OUT THE KINKS AND GET TO A SOLID SYSTEM BOTH ON THE CALCULATIONS AND THEN ALLOW THE TIME, UH, AND WORK OUT THE KINKS ON THE APPOINTMENT SYSTEM FOR THE APPEALS.

UH, SO I THINK TO SAVE THE MONEY AND TO, TO SHAKE OUT THE EXISTING CHALLENGES, UH, IT MAKES SENSE TO GO WITH OPTION TWO.

I RESPECT EVERYONE'S DECISION, BUT I DO WANT TO JUST MAKE ONE STATEMENT THAT THE, UM, THE COMMISSIONER IS A CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICE AND YOU KNOW THAT WE SEEM, UM, WHEN THE PAST, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALWAYS TRIED TO RESPECT THOSE BOUNDARIES ON SOFTWARES, VEHICLES, PEOPLE.

AND SO I I LOOK AT THAT IF, UM, IF THE COMMISSIONER IS ABLE TO LIVE WITHIN HER MEANS OF THE BUDGET, I I DON'T WANNA YOUR POINT GET IN, IN THE WAY OF THAT.

I WOULD REMIND THE BOARD THAT YOU ARE PREPARING THE BUDGET AND WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO PUT HALF OF 4 56 OR HALF OF 2 38 IN THE BUDGET NEXT WEEK.

IS THERE, IS THEN WHAT THEY HAVE TO WORK WITH.

THE EAGLE SYSTEM IS NOT IN THE BUDGET YET.

THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.

CLARIFYING THAT.

AND, AND THAT WAS 60 5K FOR THE APPROXIMATELY, SIR, FOR THE THREE METER IMAGERY OR THE THREE FOOT, THAT'S, THAT'S APPROXIMATE, RIGHT? YEP.

WELL, AND, AND I RESPECT THE FACT THAT, UM, MRS. HOURS IS A CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICER, BUT I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS, YOU KNOW, THE BUCK STOPS HERE ON, SHE WOULDN'T BE THE FIRST, UH, ELECTED OFFICIAL.

WE SAY, NO, YOU CAN'T HAVE SOMETHING BECAUSE THE FUNDS JUST AREN'T THERE FOR IT.

UM, AND I DO AGREE IT SOUNDS LIKE IT WOULD BE NICE, BUT BY THE TIME THE PICTURES ARE TAKEN AND ALL THAT PROCESSING, WE'RE GONNA BE WAY DOWN THE ROAD TRYING TO GET THIS OUT IN A TIMELY FASHION SO WE'RE NOT PUSHED LIKE WE ARE THIS YEAR.

AND I, I DO WANT TO CLARIFY FROM WHAT I WAS SAYING, THE NEW SOFTWARE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR HER OFFICE IS COMING UP THIS NEXT YEAR.

AND MY POINT WAS THAT THAT SOFTWARE, WHEN THAT'S IMPLEMENTED AND IN PLACE, THEN YOU WANT TO GO TO THE NEXT ONE, BUT LET'S GET SOME OF THEM LEVEL FIRST.

WELL THIS HERE IS FISCAL YEAR 26 OR 25, 27.

MA'AM? NO, THIS, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THIS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW, IS THIS NEW SOFTWARE IN THIS, THIS NUMBER RIGHT HERE.

THE TWO 17 OR THE 4 56 THAT IS FOR 26 AND 27 HALF EACH YEAR.

THE NEW SOFTWARE THAT WAS PROPOSED IN YOUR, THE PRESENTATION, UH, FOR THE COMMISSIONER'S OFFICE FOR NEXT YEAR, THAT WILL BE BEGUN AND IS THE PLAN THAT, THAT WILL BEGIN THIS COMING SUMMER AND THEN THAT WILL BE FIRST BUDGET OF 27.

27.

EITHER OF WHOM MAY ACT TO EXECUTE ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS AND BEEN APPROVED BY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.

SO DO I HAVE A, UM, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE OPTION TWO TO THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE COUNTY OF WARREN AND COHEN SERVICES, LLCI FURTHER MOVE THE BOARD AUTHORIZED THE CHAIR AND COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR,

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DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND.

ROLL CALL MRS. COOK? NOPE.

AYE MRS. COLORS? AYE.

OKAY, NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS, UH, ADDITIONAL NEW BUSINESS.

IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL NEW BUSINESS? ALRIGHT,

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SO THE, SO THE, UH, LAST IS THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD FOR GENERAL COMMENTS.

DO WE HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP? UH, YES SIR.

JARED HILL.

OKAY, GOOD EVENING.

UM, AND AT THE RISK OF TAKING A FEW EXTRA SECONDS, I JUST WANT TO SAY, UH, THIS IS THE LAST MEETING BEFORE MOTHER'S DAY.

SO I WANT TO SHOUT OUT TO ALL THE MOTHERS IN WARREN COUNTY, ESPECIALLY OUR SUPERINTENDENT COLORS AND SUPERINTENDENT COOK, AND ALSO THE MOTHERS THAT HAVE BEEN SHOWING UP TO DEFEND SAMUEL'S PUBLIC LIBRARY ORGANIZING AND SPEAKING OUT AND STAYING ENGAGED IN OUR COMMUNITY IN ADDITION TO ALL ELSE.

AND ALSO A SPECIAL THANK YOU TO CANDIDATES, TONY CARTER AND, UH, HUGH HENRY FOR PLEDGING TO SUPPORT SAMUELS PUBLIC LIBRARY.

WITH IT JUST DIDN'T JUST RESONATE.

NOW ALSO THERE'S BEEN A WHOLE LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT DATA CENTERS AS SUPERINTENDENT COLORS, UM, BROUGHT UP EARLIER AND I THINK THERE, I AGREE THAT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK, UM, BUT DO WE ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? UM, SO I'VE BEEN TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN DIFFERENT OPERATION STYLES OF DATA CENTERS, BE IT GRID POWERED CENTERS, OR, UM, THOSE THAT USE SMALL MODULAR REACTORS, SMRS. UM, BECAUSE THAT DISTINCTION MATTERS, UH, BECAUSE AS, UH, SUPERINTENDENT BUTLER MENTIONED THAT, UH, VIRGINIA DOES HAVE THE LARGEST AMOUNT OF DATA CENTERS, UH, IN COUNTRY.

IT'S ABOUT 200 RIGHT NOW.

UM, SO THE BIGGEST DISTINCTION IS THAT FOR DATA CENTERS THAT ARE TAKEN OFF THE GRID, OR NOT OFF THE GRID, BUT LIKE RUN FROM OUR GRID IN PLACE DURING PEAK SEASONS, THEY REQUIRE, UH, GENERATORS.

DIESEL GENERATORS IS A COMMON LIKE WAY TO TO, TO BOOST THAT POWER, WHICH HAS A LOT OF, THERE'S A LOT OF PARTICULATE MATTER WHEN IT COMES TO TO DIESEL, BUT BEYOND THAT, WE, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SMRS, THOSE ARE LITERALLY NUCLEAR FUSION DEVICES.

THEY'RE LIKE LITTLE NUCLEAR BATTERIES AND THEY NEED MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF WATER FOR COOLING.

THEY PRODUCE WASTE THAT CAN'T BE SECURELY STORED, MORE THAN LIKELY SOMEBODY ELSE'S BACKYARD.

UM, WHERE WE BUILD THESE, WHERE WE STORE THE ENERGY, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEYOND LIKE OUR SCOPE OF WHAT WE'RE GETTING HERE, UH, JUST IN OUR COMMUNITY.

AND SO THAT BURDEN FALLS NOT JUST ONTO OUR WATER, OUR LAND, BUT ALSO ON OUR PRINCIPLES WHEN WE THINK ABOUT HOW IT AFFECTS THE FULL SCOPE CRADLE TO THE GRAVE, AS WE SAY IN ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE.

SO I THINK WE ALL NEED TO KNOW, WE NEED TO ASK, DO WE HAVE CLEAR ANSWERS ON GRID CAPACITY, ON WATER USAGE, ON JOB CREATION, AND WHO GAINS AND WHO PAYS THE ULTIMATE TOLL? WHAT WE DO KNOW? THANK YOU.

WHAT WE DO KNOW IS THAT THIS BOARD HAS HAD BAD NEIGHBORS IN THE PAST.

DO I HAVE ANYBODY ELSE SIGNED UP? NO, SIR.

NO ONE SIGNED UP.

WOULD ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE LIKE TO, TO SPEAK? GOOD EVENING, SUPERVISORS.

MY NAME IS LOUIS LOUIS MOTEN.

UH, I CURRENTLY SERVE AS A TRUSTEE AT SAMUEL'S PUBLIC LIBRARY, BUT I WANNA BE CLEAR THE THOUGHTS I'M SHARING TONIGHT ARE MY OWN.

WHICH, WHICH, UH, UH, MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT ARE YOU FROM? IT IS THE NORTH RIVER DISTRICT.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

UH, THE THOUGHTS I'M SHARING TONIGHT ARE MY OWN AND DO NOT REFLECT THE OFFICIAL POSITION OF THE LIBRARY OR ITS BOARD.

UH, IN SEPTEMBER, 2022, AS ONE OF THE PREMIER LEVEL SPENT SPONSORS WHO HELPED BRING JEFF SIGLER TO FRONT ROYAL FOR A CIVIC PRIDE WORKSHOP, HIS MESSAGE DIDN'T JUST RESONATE

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IT CHANGED MY LIFE.

THAT EVENT INSPIRED ME TO STEP INTO PUBLIC SERVICE FOR THE FIRST TIME.

AND I WANT TO BE A PART OF BUILDING A COMMUNITY THAT PEOPLE COULD BE PROUD OF.

UH, IN A BLOG, BLOG POST TITLED HARD TO LOVE, SIGLER RECOUNTED A HEADLINE THAT READ CONSULTANTS SAYS, OUR TOWN IS HARD TO LOVE AND IT SOUNDS HARSH, BUT AS HE EXPLAINED, IT WASN'T AN INSULT.

IT WAS AN INVITATION, AN INVITATION TO CHANGE THE WAY WE TALK ABOUT AIR TOWN AND THE DECISIONS WE MAKE FOR IT.

HE WROTE, AT SOME POINT WE DECIDED THAT FINANCE IS THE ONLY THING WORTH CONSIDERING.

AND THIS THINKING HAS BEEN INCREDIBLY DESTRUCTIVE.

WHEN WE PRIORITIZE FINANCES OVER EVERYTHING ELSE, COMMUNITIES BECAME TO FALL APART.

I'VE SEEN IT FIRSTHAND.

TWO YEARS AGO, OUR LIBRARY WAS PUSHED INTO THE CENTER OF A POLITICAL STORM THAT GARNERED GLOBAL ATTENTION.

STAFF WERE HARASSED, VOLUNTEERS, TEARS NEARLY WALKED AWAY, PROJECTS WERE PAUSED AND THE MILLEN GRANT WAS PUT INTO LIMBO.

PEOPLE LEFT IT, IT WASN'T BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T CARE, BUT BECAUSE IT CAME TOO PAINFUL TO TO STAY.

THE COUNTY DEBATED DOCUMENTS AND DEALS FIXATED ON CONTROLLING COSTS.

BUT SIGLER SAYS WE IGNORED VALUE, NOT JUST IN DOLLARS, BUT IN DIGNITY.

IDENTITY AND PRIDE.

THE BUILDINGS PEOPLE TAKE PRIDE IN ARE THE NICEST ONES.

BEAUTY HAS BOTH EMOTIONAL AND FINANCIAL VALUE.

THE LIBRARY IS ONE OF THOSE PLACES AND IT'S DESIGNED, SHAPED TO RESEMBLE A LIGHTHOUSE IS NO ACCIDENT.

AND I SEE MY, MY TIME IS ABOUT UPS, BUT THANK YOU.

WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK FROM THE AUDIENCE? GOOD EVENING.

UH, GEORGE KLEIN.

I'M IN THE FOURTH DISTRICT AND, UH, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT DATA CENTERS OR ANY OF THAT TODAY.

UM, WANTED TO SHARE A BRIEF STORY WITH YOU.

I POSTED THIS MORNING, YOU MIGHT HAVE SEEN IT, I DON'T KNOW, UM, 13 YEARS AGO IN THE TOWN OF STRASSBURG, A MOM AND DAD, AND I'M NOT GONNA SAY NAMES 'CAUSE I DIDN'T ASK IF I COULD.

13 YEARS AGO, MY MOM AND DAD LOST THEIR SON AT EIGHT YEARS OLD TO CANCER.

UM, THEY, THEY WANTED TO SET UP A, A MEMORIAL SKATE PARK FOR 'EM 13 YEARS AGO.

THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT EVERY DAY FOR 13 YEARS.

NOT JUST THE PARENTS, BUT THE TOWN COUNCIL HUNG WITH THEM.

THEY WORKED ON GRANTS FOR 'EM.

WHEN THE GRANTS RAN OUT, THEY APPLIED FOR NEW GRANTS AND THEY HAD MANY, MANY SETBACKS.

CONTRACTORS BACKED OUT OF THE DEAL, THE, UM, AND THEY COULDN'T GO ANY FURTHER.

SIX MONTHS AGO, TWO CONTRACTORS STEPPED UP TO DO THE PROJECT AND UM, WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THE TOWN OF CHARLESBURG NEVER GIVE UP ON 'EM, EVER.

THEY WORKED WITH THEIR COMMUNITY, THEY WORKED WITH THAT FAMILY.

AND WHAT I SEE IN THIS COMMUNITY TODAY REALLY SUCKS.

I SEE A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT GIVE UP ON THEIR CITIZENS.

LET'S GIVE UP ON THE COMMUNITY AND UH, AND IF YOU WANNA SEE WHAT ONE REALLY LOOKS LIKE, GO TO STRASBURG.

GO SIT THERE AND LOOK AT THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE COME OUT AND TAKE PICTURES AND TALK AND SAY THANK YOU.

GO LOOK AT THAT.

IT, IT'S A VERY INSPIRATIONAL THING.

I'VE LIVED HERE 56 YEARS, I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THE DIVISION WE HAVE TODAY.

IT'S AWFUL.

AND ALL I ASK TODAY IS THAT YOU JUST DON'T GIVE UP ON THE COMMUNITY.

STICK WITH YOUR CITIZENS, WORK WITH THEM, WORK WITH EVERYBODY IN THIS COMMUNITY.

IT, IT'S A REALLY FUN THING TO SEE.

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IT'S A FUN THING TO BE A PART OF.

AND RIGHT NOW I JUST DON'T SEE IT.

THANK YOU SIR.

WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN AND ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

THANKS FOR GIVING ME A FEW MINUTES.

I'M SCOTT TURN.

MEYER FROM THE, UH, HAPPY CREEK DISTRICT.

UM, A COUPLE WEEKS AGO DURING THE WORK SESSION, YOU SAW A PROPOSAL TO MOVE THE, THE, THE MARK THAT TOURISM MANAGER THAT, UH, MS. CALLERS TALKED ABOUT UNDERNEATH PARKS AND REC.

I'M HERE TONIGHT TO ACTUALLY ASK THAT YOU DO NOT MAKE THAT MOVE.

UM, TOURISM SHOULDN'T BE ABOUT EVENT COORDINATING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

IT SHOULD BE ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

IT SHOULD BE ABOUT GROWING OUR REVENUE STREAM FOR ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE NEED.

UM, I DO KNOW THAT SOME RURAL AREAS WOULD PUT TOURISM UNDERNEATH PARKS AND REC.

I FEEL LIKE WE ARE BEYOND THAT AND WE, WE, WE NEED MORE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAN THAT.

SOME OF THE, THE REASONS WHY I'M ASKING TO NOT DO THAT, UM, IS BECAUSE THERE'S DIFFERENT MISSIONS.

SO TOURISM IS ABOUT BRINGING VISITORS HERE TO DRIVE ECONOMIC GROWTH.

PARKS AND REC SERVICE LOCAL RESIDENTS MAINLY THEY DO A PHENOMENAL JOB.

THIS IS NOTHING ABOUT PARKS AND REC AT ALL.

THEY DO A PHENOMENAL JOB.

THERE'S A RISK TO ECONOMIC MOMENTUM.

SO TOURISM GENERATES OUTSIDE REVENUE THAT SUPPORTS LOCAL BUSINESSES, RESTAURANTS, LODGING, AND JOBS.

AND WE CAN'T AFFORD TO WEAKEN THAT FOCUS.

WE NEED TO KEEP THAT LASER FOCUSED AND WE NEED TO PUSH THAT.

THAT'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT 1 0 1 RIGHT THERE.

SPECIALIZED SKILL SETS.

TOURISM REQUIRES PROFESSIONAL MARKETING AND PARTNERSHIPS BEYOND THE SCOPE OF PARKS AND REC X OR SEAS.

AND I THINK THIS IS THE KEY HERE.

THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LACK RIGHT NOW IN BOTH TOWN AND COUNTY IS MARKETING.

UM, THIS IS WHAT TOURISM ACTUALLY IS THE DEFINITION FOR IS MARKETING OUR AREA.

ONCE WE HAVE A MATURE MARKETING ENGINE, THEN THOSE TYPE OF THINGS THAT PARK AND PARKS AND REC WOULD BRING IN FOR THE AREA, THEY COULD PLUG INTO THAT MARKETING AND THAT GOES TO YOUR LOCAL RESIDENTS AS WELL AS ANY VISITORS THAT THAT WOULD COME AND VISIT US.

THERE'S ALSO A THREAT TO FUNDING.

UM, TOURISM IS FUNDED LARGELY BY LODGING TAXES INTENDED FOR VISITOR PROMOTION, NOT LOCAL RECREATION PROJECTS.

SO IF YOU'RE BUNDLED UNDERNEATH PARKS AND REC, I COULD SEE THAT THERE'S CASES BEING MADE TO USE THAT MONEY FOR PARKS AND REC TYPE STUFF INSTEAD OF WHAT IT'S ACTUALLY INTENDED TO DO AS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOL AND BRAND INTEGRITY.

OUR TOURISM BRANDING IS STRONG AND WE'RE WORKING VERY HARD TO MAKE IT BETTER.

MERGING IT INTO PARKS AND REC WOULD CONFUSE VISITORS AND DILUTE YEARS OF INVESTMENT THAT WE'VE ALREADY PUT INTO IT.

SO ON, ON A CLOSE, AGAIN, I THINK PARKS AND REC IS DOING A FANTASTIC JOB.

THIS IS NOTHING ABOUT PARKS AND REC WHATSOEVER.

I JUST FEEL LIKE THIS, THAT ROLE SHOULD BE MORE INTO AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TYPE OF AREA.

SO, UM, WITH THAT, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK.